[00:42] <Azelphur> http://i.imgur.com/WVWxZ.png :D
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> Woo
[08:06]  * MartijnVdS soldered a serial console onto a router
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> (and I'm now poking it usuing the Arduino USB<->serial board, aka FTDI Breakout)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> .. aaaand debricked \o/
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> morning MooDoo
[09:21] <MooDoo> how are you?
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> fine, just fixed an old WRT54GS router by soldering a serial port to it :)
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> + poking at its serial console
[09:44] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: good fun for a sunday
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> yeah, apparently this is one of the most hackable routers
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> http://www.allaboutjake.com/network/linksys/wrt54g/hack/
[09:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[09:50] <MooDoo> hi AlanBell
[10:18] <popey_> morning
[10:23] <popey> thats better
[10:24] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:50] <MooDoo> mroning
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:53]  * brobostigon notices vlc 2.0 in updates.
[10:57] <MooDoo> *shock* ;)
[10:58] <brobostigon> last version i noticed, was 1.1.*, so a pretty big version jump.
[10:59] <MooDoo> oo yeah
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road  18th February 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=93
[12:09] <bigcalm[lappy]> Hi peeps :)
[12:09] <bigcalm[lappy]> This is at least 20 quid cheaper than other sellers, do I trust this and buy? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battery-Dell-Studio-1535-1536-1537-1555-1557-1558-PP33L-PP39L-7200mAh-9-Cell-/280754646502#vi-content
[12:10] <popey> http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/
[12:10] <popey> i have bought from them, trustworthy
[12:12] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9-Cell-Battery-Dell-Studio-1535-1536-1537-WU946-NEW-/400237906541?pt=UK_Computing_LaptopsAccessories_LaptopBatteries&hash=item5d3009ca6d
[12:12] <popey> lolprice
[12:15] <bigcalm[lappy]> Yeah
[12:15] <bigcalm[lappy]> And that's 6600mAh. My link is for 7200mAh
[12:16] <bigcalm[lappy]> It's a little confusing
[12:21]  * bigcalm[lappy] plunges the take
[12:28] <SuperEngineer> yum... bacon & egg sandwich for [late] brekkie - with just the right amonts of toomy sauce & mustard mixed
[12:28]  * SuperEngineer noms
[12:43]  * bigcalm[lappy] scoffs his superbly prepared pot noodle
[12:43] <SuperEngineer> mmmm... that's better -belly now silenced, so - hi y'all o/
[13:00] <Ruby> Good Afternoon UK!
[13:00] <MooDoo> hullo
[13:00] <Ruby> It's been awhile since I've listened to the podcast but I've got to say I like it a lot.
[13:00] <Ruby> The tutorial on ardour was great too.
[13:00] <AlanBell> hi Ruby
[13:01] <Ruby> I'm a big ubuntu fan. :)
[13:01] <Ruby> I hope I can get even better in the future. Ubuntu UK community is really good.
[13:01] <MooDoo> yes it is :D
[13:02] <Ruby> I've started my own podcast using Ubuntu thanks to all the helpful people.
[13:04] <Ruby> So, what's new?
[13:05] <AlanBell> 12.04 is new \o/
[13:05] <Ruby> lol Great!
[13:05] <Ruby> :)
[13:05] <MooDoo> that's not released yet :p
[13:05] <directhex> moo
[13:05] <Ruby> I hope the search feature is fixed
[13:07] <Pendulum> feature freeze was this past week, that's new :)
[13:09] <Pendulum> Ruby: do you have any idea what your hook is going to be about why people should listen to your podcast rather than or along with the others that are out there?
[13:11] <directhex> ooh, make it 50% ubuntu 50% something else
[13:11] <directhex> like... cooking! or rock climbing tips!
[13:14] <Ruby> haha great idea
[13:14] <directhex> i get all my cooking advice from pc hardware forums.
[13:17] <Ruby> I think it's hard to do a podcast just on Ubuntu
[13:17] <Ruby> :)
[13:17] <Ruby> I've got a podcast to help people learn English.
[13:17] <Ruby> help Russians to be specific.
[13:18] <Ruby> Pendulum, do you listen to the Ubuntu UK podcast?
[13:18] <Pendulum> yes
[13:18] <matti> I need help.
[13:18] <matti> ;s
[13:18] <Ruby> what's the problem matti?
[13:18] <matti> With English :)
[13:19] <Ruby> LOL
[13:19] <Ruby> what's the problem?
[13:19] <Ruby> I guess you aren't from the UK then eh?
[13:19] <matti> No.
[13:19] <matti> I mean, I do live here
[13:19] <Ruby> oh ok
[13:19] <Ruby> where are you from?
[13:21] <matti> Ruby: From a country in central Europe that English people blame for everything nowadays :) </sarcasm>
[13:21] <matti> Ruby: I guess, I am OK with the language.
[13:21] <Ruby> hmmmmm
[13:21] <MooDoo> matti: what scotland?
[13:21] <Ruby> I'm sure you're great!
[13:21] <MooDoo> ;) lol
[13:21] <matti> MooDoo: HAHHAHA
[13:21] <Ruby> LOL HAHAH
[13:21] <matti> MooDoo: +1
[13:22] <matti> MooDoo: Made my day ;]
[13:22] <Ruby> You are from Greece maybe? That's not exactly central but hey lol
[13:22] <matti> Ruby: No, form Poland.
[13:22] <Ruby> ah ok.
[13:22] <Ruby> I live in Russia now.
[13:22] <matti> from*
[13:22] <matti> Ruby: :)
[13:22]  * matti is learning Japanese right now.
[13:22] <matti> A lot of fun.
[13:22] <Ruby> Yeah, sounds like it. Learning it because of the girls, right? :)
[13:22] <MooDoo> ich ne san she etc yadda yadda yadda
[13:23] <Pendulum> matti: my brother moved to Poland (from Scotland) in September :)
[13:23] <matti> Pendulum: Did he? Impressive.
[13:23] <matti> Pendulum: Whereabouts
[13:23] <matti> ?
[13:23]  * penguin42 tries to imagine Polish spoken in a deep scottish accent
[13:24] <Pendulum> Warsaw. His UK visa was up and he couldn't find a job that would help him get a new one and his girlfriend is Polish so that's where they went.
[13:24] <Ruby> Polish girls are cute for sure.
[13:24] <Pendulum> He's now teaching English there as it's much easier to get a visa or work permit in Poland than the UK
[13:24] <Ruby> I can't stand girls from back home (BIG and UGLY) :) lol
[13:24] <Pendulum> (I'm American)
[13:25] <brobostigon> afternoonings matti :)
[13:25] <matti> MooDoo: ichi, ni, san, yon (shi is an equivalent, but used in different ways).
[13:25] <MooDoo> matti: i know :) i can count to 10 :p
[13:25] <Ruby> prevyet ribyata. Who said westerners don't speak foreign languages, see?
[13:26] <Pendulum> Americans don't particularly have the prejudice against Poles so it wasn't a huge deal for him. That said, I think it was a definite sign of love that _she_ was willing to move back to Poland for him ;-)
[13:26] <matti> MooDoo: 11 is simple. jyuuichi.
[13:26] <MooDoo> matti: you only need up to 10 in karate ;) lol
[13:26] <matti> MooDoo: 20 - nijyuu.
[13:26] <matti> MooDoo: LOL
[13:26] <matti> MooDoo: Haha
[13:27] <matti> MooDoo: Actually, there are special shouts and phrases that Dojo can have in Japanese ;]
[13:27] <matti> MooDoo: As your sensei about it ;]
[13:27]  * AlanBell just found an Ubuntu 6.06 CD
[13:27] <matti> AlanBell: Wooo...
[13:27] <MooDoo> matti: i was the sensei about 8 years ago ;) lol
[13:27] <Pendulum> AlanBell: retro :P
[13:27] <matti> MooDoo: Oh ;p
[13:27] <penguin42> AlanBell: Do the chickens like it?
[13:27] <matti> Hi brobostigon
[13:28] <MooDoo> matti: it's a hard language but i'd love to learn it, just so i can watch anime properly lol
[13:28] <matti> Pendulum: Really? Need for visa for English?
[13:28] <matti> MooDoo: Kanji tends to be a pain.
[13:28] <Pendulum> matti: if you're an American who wants to stay more than 6 months, yes.
[13:28] <matti> MooDoo: I can read Kana without a problem.
[13:28] <matti> Pendulum: An.
[13:28] <matti> Ah*
[13:29] <matti> I've missed: "I'm American"
[13:29] <Pendulum> :)
[13:29] <matti> Pendulum: I do think, that American girls are nice. Very friendly. And some of them have cute accents.
[13:29] <Ruby> No Pendulum American girls are fat and ugly
[13:29] <Pendulum> tbh, with what the US requires Poles to do to get into the US, I'm surprised that Poland doesn't require the same for Americans.
[13:29] <Ruby> they look like men, dress like men, and want to work the same jobs as men.
[13:30] <directhex> generally they do
[13:30] <directhex> most companies have reciprocal arrangements for abusive immigration policies
[13:30] <Pendulum> Ruby: I'm not sure I'm the person you want to say that to.
[13:30] <Ruby> When I talk to American girls I feel like I'm talking to men.
[13:30] <Ruby> Not all girls* Pendulum.
[13:30] <Ruby> I'm American too btw.
[13:30] <Ruby> ;-)
[13:30] <MooDoo> Ruby: i'm sorry ;) lol
[13:30] <Pendulum> Why should girls talk any different from guys.
[13:30] <Ruby> Exactly
[13:30] <matti> Pendulum: No idea ;]
[13:30] <Ruby> Feminism has destroyed women.
[13:31] <matti> Pendulum: I have B1/B2 business visa for 10 years ;d
[13:31] <Ruby> No difference between men and women and thus....
[13:31] <Pendulum> Ruby: I'm female.
[13:31] <Ruby> I don't mean the way they talk but act, dress, etc. :)
[13:31] <matti> Pendulum: I am in love BTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpuHSA_C43s
[13:31] <Ruby> Pendulum. Not all women. I'm sure you're lovely!!!
[13:31] <matti> Pendulum: And she has cute accent ;]
[13:32] <matti> But, I only melt on the inside when an English girl has cute posh English accent.
[13:32] <matti> So sexy... ;]
[13:32] <Pendulum> Ruby: you can't have it either way.  Come to Russia. I'll take you on a tour
[13:33] <matti> MooDoo: Start lessons ;]
[13:33] <Ruby> :)
[13:34] <matti> Ruby: Moscow is nice :)
[13:34] <Ruby> Yeah. Nice and cold.
[13:34] <Ruby> lol
[13:34] <Ruby> Slavic women are great!
[13:34] <Ruby> God save the queen and slavic women. haha
[13:34] <AlanBell> can we dispense with the gender discussions please
[13:34] <matti> ;p
[13:34] <Ruby> Yes.
[13:34] <Ruby> Sorry
[13:35] <Ruby> Back to my podcast.
[13:35] <AlanBell> lets talk about ubuntu or something :)
[13:35] <Ruby> I believe Alan did that tutorial on ardour thank you very much
[13:35] <MooDoo> Ruby: you never told us the url?
[13:35] <Ruby> I am an English teacher in need of help
[13:35] <Ruby> Over here in Russia, they make students learn very strict grammar rules which I often think native speakers don't really carefully follow. I'm conducting an experiment and would be very happy if someone could take part in it. I'm looking for native British speakers. I've already asked a bunch of Americans.
[13:35] <AlanBell> Ruby: that would be popey
[13:35] <Ruby> oh ok
[13:35] <Ruby> If he has a paypal account, I'd send him 15 dollars.
[13:36] <matti> AlanBell: I imagine that talking about Ubuntu whole day is rather tad boring.
[13:36] <matti> AlanBell: And "community" is about people.
[13:36] <matti> AlanBell: Other than that I do see your point.
[13:36] <Ruby> I love Ubuntu and can almost talk about it all day. As long as unity doesn't come up
[13:37] <AlanBell> indeed, but we don't need to throw around great big generalisations that are bound to make someone uncomfortable
[13:37] <Ruby> If you want to look at generalizations and stereotypes which can be true. Check out my podcast
[13:37] <Ruby> Go to youtube and type Rad Radio Western vs Russian women.
[13:37] <AlanBell> so where is your podcast?
[13:38] <AlanBell> you have a podcast on that??
[13:38] <Ruby> i was like you guys until I came to Russia
[13:38] <Ruby> I love America and I love the UK
[13:38] <Ruby> but I needed work and moved.
[13:38] <AlanBell> !ru
[13:38] <AlanBell> seen that channel too?
[13:38] <Ruby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PK3wPhA2A
[13:38] <Ruby> I need help
[13:38] <matti> Oh nice .ru channel ;]
[13:38] <Ruby> Yes.
[13:39] <Ruby> Я не здесь ради русского
[13:39] <Ruby> I'm not here for Russian.
[13:40] <Ruby> I'm here because there is no linguist UK IRC channel and so I thought to ask people who share some common interests with me and might help out.
[13:40] <AlanBell> good stuff, there is also #ubuntu-uk-podcast which is the channel of the podcast
[13:43]  * SuperEngineer checks AlanBell 's grammar  bending ;)
[13:43] <Ruby> Ok, well if anyone could help I'd be appreciative.
[13:43] <Ruby> http://www.filedropper.com/exercises
[13:44] <AlanBell> flexible grammer betters language
[13:44] <Ruby> Tell that to Russians that love correctness.
[13:44] <AlanBell> s/that/who/
[13:44] <Safiyyah> sorry guys I updated my system this morning, and now flash doesn't work. googled workarounds and nothing is working
[13:45] <Ruby> what exactly is your flash problem?
[13:45] <Safiyyah> has anyone else got the same issue, or solved it. I even tried the latest flash 11
[13:45] <Ruby> Yes, I've had a similar problem before.
[13:45] <Ruby> Are you 64bit or 32?
[13:45] <Safiyyah> Ruby once installed, you tube works partially, everything else with flash complains that there is no flash installed.. 32 bit
[13:45] <Ruby> what version of ubuntu
[13:46] <Ruby> I've had a problem with flash before on firefox. Let me see if I can find the site that helped me.
[13:46] <Safiyyah> it's not even working on chrome!
[13:47] <Ruby> Yes, not surprising.
[13:47] <Ruby> I believe what had happened to me is that somehow a free linux opensource version of flash was installed.
[13:47] <Ruby> let me see if I can find that site.
[13:48] <Ruby> What version of Ubuntu do you have?
[13:49] <Safiyyah> oneiric
[13:52] <Safiyyah> interestic to note that despite the s/w centre saying it's installed the files are not in /user/lib or /lib
[13:52] <Safiyyah> it's like a fake installation!
[13:52] <Safiyyah> okay is there a way to undo the last system update?
[13:53] <Ruby> I don't remember what exactly I did. I remember that for some reason there was a plugin installed in firefox for a free version of flash (NOT ADOBE). I removed that and made sure that gnash and swfdec-mozilla was uninstalled.
[13:54] <Ruby> I'm not sure how to help you but I don't have any problems with flash right now.
[13:54] <Ruby> Well this channel has fallen silent. I guess no one is going to help me either. :)
[13:56] <Safiyyah> okay, I will be back on this later
[13:56] <Safiyyah> gotta get to the opticians
[13:56] <Safiyyah> I have already spent 90 minutes on this, if all else fails, time to back up ad upgrade (again)
[13:57] <Ruby> try looking at what I told you
[13:57] <Ruby> soemthing is causing a conflict most likely
[13:57] <Ruby> for some reason once I had firefox trying to use an open source version of flash
[13:58] <Ruby> The reason why youtube is working is probably because youtube might have a html5 code in case flash fails or it's possible that open source flash works on youtube.
[13:58] <Ruby> it won't run anything else though like the BBC
[13:59] <Ruby> Can anyone recommend me an IRC channel where I can ask some British people a language question?
[13:59] <Ruby> I need native British speakers.
[13:59] <Safiyyah> Ruby there is no firefox conflict
[14:00] <Safiyyah> I checked
[14:00] <Safiyyah> thanx be back later
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> I've been having to use the workaround for bug #868034 in 11.10 -  I want to put http://paste.ubuntu.com/848575/ into a laucher [assuming no fix in time for for 12.04] . Safe? If so, how?
[14:11] <AlanBell> why would you assume no fix in time for 12.04?
[14:14] <AlanBell> ah, ok, not as simple as it sounds
[14:14] <AlanBell> still, might get in
[14:15] <exaem> Hello
[14:15] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: ok, so to get an icon on the launcher you need to create a .desktop file for it
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: not an assumption but a lack of real ability to test - as in it worked on 11.10 beta, it worked on 11.10  run as live cd - it even worked after  11.10 installed [but just the once].  Then complete fail eversince
[14:16] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: cool...  I assume it would pop a terminal and ask for pwd first?
[14:17] <SuperEngineer> [assume/hope]
[14:17] <AlanBell> use gksudo
[14:18] <SuperEngineer> - wooo - you brilliant man, you!
[14:18]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist for forgetting gk!
[14:19] <AlanBell> why don't we have a GUI for creating .desktop files I wonder
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> +1
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> [coz noone else has suggested / asked for?]
[14:20] <AlanBell> you can put them in ~/.local/share/applications
[14:20] <AlanBell> if you want them for one user only
[14:22] <AlanBell> http://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
[14:24] <SuperEngineer> good idea - I'm the only one on *this* pooter, seems like a ["normalised"] place to do so
[14:24] <AlanBell> it is one of those things I could probably do, but can't be bothered to do because it really should be done in unity with a right click on an empty part of the launcher
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: *most definitely* +1
[14:26] <AlanBell> so we wait for the design team to come up with the idea I guess
[14:27] <AlanBell> well could mail the unity-design list I guess, no harm in that
[14:28] <SuperEngineer> hmmmmmmmm
[14:29]  * SuperEngineer tasks/begs  AlanBell  as he has far superior "clout"
[14:30] <SuperEngineer> [not detracting from my own super powers, of course ;)
[14:30] <daubers> lo
[14:36] <cocoa117> anyone know how to use busybox version 1.13.3, it's tar program to exclude files?
[14:37] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07920.html I have no clout
[14:37] <cocoa117> i can see in the manual exclude is available but i can't use it as tar -xvf abc.tar -exclude 'home/abc/*' -C /target
[14:37] <cocoa117> it kept give error message saying it don't support it
[14:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> cocoa117: long options are normally --long_option="\mypath\tofile"
[14:38] <SuperEngineer> bbl - switching to 11.04 to try the above
[14:39] <cocoa117> TheOpenSourcerer: i have also tried --exclude, it shows the same error message
[14:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> without any spaces and with a "=" too?
[14:40] <AlanBell> busybox tar might be a bit limited
[14:40] <cocoa117> AlanBell, so tar in busybox won't do any exclude at all?
[14:41] <moreati> cocoa117: in case it wasn't apparent, not that TheOpenSourcerer wrote that with 2 dashes. --exclude, not -exclude
[14:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> To exclude a dir in tar in Ubuntu the switch would be --exclude='/my/path/to/exclude"
[14:42] <ahayzen> AlanBell: Nice idea for the unity launcher .... could be nice to right click and 'Enable/Disable Auto-Hide" aswell?
[14:42] <cocoa117> moreati, TheOpenSourcerer: i have tried both, --exclude, and -exclude none of them worked
[14:43] <cocoa117> by the way, the Ubuntu version of tar is different from busybox tar
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> The lack of spaces and the "=" are important. This is the "standard" for long options. For short options it would typically be something like -x path, but of cousr -x is used elsewhere in tar ;-)
[14:45] <moreati> cocoa117: that's true of most desktop distributions vs most embedded distributions/Android
[14:46] <cocoa117> moreati, so how do you do tar exclude files in busybox?
[14:46] <moreati> cocoa117: most desktop distros use GNU coreutils and Bash. Busybox is an independent project that combines a shell and some commands
[14:46] <cocoa117> or it can't be done with the version i have
[14:46] <moreati> cocoa117: I don't, never had the need
[14:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2003-December/044410.html
[14:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> cocoa117: Google? Try -X and a file with the exclude options listed in it.
[14:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although note that is from 2003 so treat it with a pinch of salt. But worth a try.
[14:48] <cocoa117> TheOpenSourcerer: oh well, i guess 1.13.3 has bug then
[14:49] <cocoa117> i have tried -X and didn't do anything
[14:49] <popey> afternoon all
[14:50] <cocoa117> i guess i just have to use Ubuntu liveCD for restore purpose
[14:50] <moreati> cocoa117: what is the exact command line you're trying?
[14:50] <ali1234> busybox commands are extremely cut down
[14:50] <ahayzen> popey: Afternoon :)
[14:50] <ali1234> it probably can't do what you want
[14:51] <cocoa117> ali1234, i guess you are right, liveCD is my next stop
[14:51] <moreati> http://busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html says the tar command has -X and --exclude
[14:52] <moreati> but strangley it lists the options for tar without a - or -- prefix, whereas the others are listed with a prefix
[14:53] <cocoa117> moreati, yes i have read that too, and i even checked with manual that match my busybox version number, 1.13.3, but when actually trying it, it doesn't work
[14:53] <ali1234> check the source
[14:53] <cocoa117> both -X and --exclude don't work
[14:54] <cocoa117> never mind, guys, i just use liveCD
[14:54] <ali1234> -X wants a file containing the list of files to exclude
[14:54] <moreati> cocoa117: did you note that the argument to 'exclude' is a file to be excluded, whereas the argument to 'X' is a file _containing_ files to be excluded
[14:55] <ali1234> just obtain a static tar and use that
[14:55] <ali1234> that's what i do when encountering busybox fail
[14:55] <cocoa117> moreati, ennnn, good point, and no i didn't
[14:56] <moreati> cocoa117: Also I note early that you used -exclude 'home/abc/*'
[14:56] <cocoa117> "X       File with names to exclude", ok so i have to give a file with content of folder to be excluded
[14:56] <moreati> cocoa117: single quotes prevent wildcard expansion, at least in bash
[14:57] <cocoa117> moreati, so what should i use in the busybox environment
[14:57] <cocoa117> obvioursly it's not bash
[14:57] <ali1234> you don't want the wildcard to be expanded there
[14:58] <cocoa117> tar -xvf /mnt/abc.tar -exclude home/abc/* -C /target
[14:58] <ali1234> how about this
[14:58] <ali1234> mv home/abc home/foobarbackup
[14:58] <ali1234> (untar)
[14:58] <ali1234> rm -rf home/abc
[14:58] <ali1234> mv home/foobarbackup home/abc
[15:43]  * popey points AlanBell at bug 705007
[15:57] <penguin42> nice; 1st for the year - can't see my screen due to sunlight
[15:58] <AlanBell> popey: ah, knew there was one somewhere, but nice to discuss on the list too
[15:58] <AlanBell> !info alacarte
[16:53] <bigcalm[lappy]> Afternoon peeps :)
[16:54] <popey> lo
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> \o
[17:12] <brobostigon> o/
[17:22] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: how is the borked router?
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it works now
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: soldered serial pins to it, it had a serial console
[17:41] <jacobw> ah, great ;)
[17:41] <jacobw> i keep getting a ; when i want a :
[17:57] <thomas__> hi
[18:08]  * daubers smells like burnt plywood
[18:17] <AlanBell> laser cut?
[18:18] <daubers> yup
[18:18] <Safiyyah> flash complains that there is no flash installed.. 32 bit, the software centre clearly has it ticked as working. there is nothing about a flash player Or gnash on the about plugins page....  anyone?
[18:19] <Safiyyah> I was desperate enough to try and convert the rpm version, which came back with an error at installation. am blue!
[18:19] <ahayzen> safiyyah: Which browser are you using?
[18:19] <Safiyyah> i have both firefox and chrome
[18:20] <ahayzen> does flash appear on the about:plugins in firefox?
[18:20] <Safiyyah> they both issue the same message upon trying flash playback, and no flash is listed in the about:plugins on either of them
[18:20] <Safiyyah> it is clearly installed thought
[18:20] <Safiyyah> though*
[18:21] <ahayzen> which flash plugin have you got installed?
[18:21] <Safiyyah> it was working perfectly until the system update this morning
[18:22] <Safiyyah> flash version is 11.1.102 or atleast that is what it says on the adobe page and the downloaded driver
[18:23] <Safiyyah> On the s/w centre it says flash plugin 10 and then below that it says version 11
[18:25] <ahayzen> i have 'Adobe Flash plug-in' installed rather than 'Adobe Flash Plugin 10'
[18:25] <ahayzen> but i came as part of the ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:25] <Safiyyah> okay
[18:25] <Safiyyah> let me purge then
[18:28] <jacobw> does anyone know of a cd ripper that doesn't suck with multidisk albums?
[18:28] <jacobw> i.e. not sound-juicer
[18:38] <Safiyyah> ahayzen, thank you... got it going
[18:38] <Safiyyah> yeiiiiiii
[18:38] <Safiyyah> have a good evening all
[18:38] <ahayzen> safiyyah: Yey ... what was the issue in the end?
[18:39] <Safiyyah> I think the update I installed today conflicted with flash 10 and flash 11
[18:39] <ahayzen> ok
[18:39] <Safiyyah> going to finish these canerows on little princess' hair and add beads, waiting for dinner in the oven
[18:39] <Safiyyah> have a good evening all thank you
[18:40] <DJones> How do you access the cups server on a remote machine? 18:38 < Safiyyah> yeiiiiiii
[18:40] <DJones> 18:38 < Safiyyah> have a good evening all
[18:40] <DJones> 18:38 < ahayzen> safiyyah: Yey ... what was the issue in the end?
[18:40]  * bigcalm[lappy] kippers DJones
[18:41] <DJones> rrs
[18:41] <DJones> Grr even
[18:41] <bigcalm[lappy]> DJones: have a look at port 9100 (iirc)
[18:41] <bigcalm[lappy]> Possibly not though :)
[18:42] <bigcalm[lappy]> Is cups running a web service?
[18:42] <bigcalm[lappy]> Is it set to allow access outside of localhost?
[18:42] <Safiyyah> DJones, I muddle through all cups issues thank god for the detailed brother linux website, I would be done for
[18:43] <DJones> bigcalm[lappy]: I've tried http://x.x.x.x:631 with no sucess, told cupsd.conf to add listen x.x.x.x:631"
[18:43] <bigcalm[lappy]> 631 seems to be the default port
[18:43] <bigcalm[lappy]> Restart cupsd after the change?
[18:43] <DJones> Added my username to the lpadmin group, but just get a Forbidden message via the web
[18:43] <bigcalm[lappy]> Can you access it from localhost?
[18:43] <DJones> yep, restarted
[18:44] <DJones> Not tried from localhost
[18:44] <bigcalm[lappy]> w3m, links2, lynx, etc
[18:45] <bigcalm[lappy]> 9100 is the port for JetDirect on HP printers. This is what had me confused :)
[18:48] <DJones> Hmmh, can access it via localhost:631 but not by ip address
[18:50] <bigcalm[lappy]> Progress :)
[18:51] <bigcalm[lappy]> Who needs whipping to fix bug 804662?
[18:52] <bigcalm[lappy]> Because it's not fixed for me :)
[18:53] <DJones> bigcalm[lappy]: Fixed, Had to tick the allow remote administration box on the machine itself before I could connect via ip address from another machine
[18:53] <bigcalm[lappy]> Ah
[18:54] <bigcalm[lappy]> Well done that man :)
[18:54] <bigcalm[lappy]> brb restart
[18:56] <bigcalm[lappy]> Install an SSD so that you can reboot quickly ;)
[19:00] <DJones> Or just never reboot
[19:01] <bigcalm[lappy]> That's not really an option when playing with 12.04 :)
[19:01] <bigcalm[lappy]> I wish minecraft worked
[19:02] <DJones> I've only got 12.04 in a vm, so not the best place to try minecraft
[19:03] <jacobw> desktop systems need rebooting
[20:12] <zleap> hi is http://www.raspberrypi.org/ up or do people get a database error ?
[20:14] <hamitron> zleap, up
[20:14] <zleap> ok
[20:15] <zleap> ah it is now,  thanks
[20:15] <zleap> it was giving me a database error,
[20:15] <zleap> geany looks good
[20:16] <zleap> programming environment
[20:29] <diplo> Evening all
[20:29] <AlanBell> evening diplo
[20:32] <diplo> So advice guys, going to order my vps at pay day, what version of ubuntu to install ?
[20:33] <brobostigon> it is a server, so, lts, as i was recommended.
[20:33] <diplo> Play with it for a month with 10.04 and then upgrade a few weeks into april once vps people have updated ?
[20:34] <diplo> Just thinking 10.04 is stopping in 2013 April isn't it
[20:34] <dwatkins> tmux is confusing in the way it splits its panes, but I like it.
[20:34] <brobostigon> diplo: i will updating lts to lts, after 12.04 release, as it becomes new lts.
[20:34] <dwatkins> I've been running 10.04 for a couple years now, it's been solid as a rock.
[20:35] <diplo> Also debating about installing 12.04 on my D820 Lappy, any major gfx issues with 12 ?
[20:35] <diplo> yeah i run 10.04 on a few servers already
[20:35] <dwatkins> I'd be concerned about upgrading in case this caused issues with hardware drivers on my slightly old machine, but I imagine this is baseless paranoia.
[20:35] <diplo> Can't decide whether to stick with 10 or to wait a month and upgrade to 12 before going live
[20:36] <AlanBell> diplo: or dive straight in with 12.04
[20:36] <dwatkins> Personally I'd prefer to stick with a well-established OS.
[20:36] <AlanBell> what is the worst that could happen?
[20:36] <brobostigon> diplo: depends on when the stuff it will provide will be needed.
[20:36] <dwatkins> Each to their own, though - are there features of 12.04 you want?
[20:36] <diplo> Image not supplied yet with Bitfolk ?
[20:36]  * dwatkins high-fives brobostigon
[20:36] <daubers> diplo: If you go with bitfolk, andy tends to test installs of Ubuntu LTS versions a short while after release
[20:37] <daubers> diplo: And he's quite nice about imagine peoples VPS's before upgrade if you ask nicely
[20:37]  * brobostigon caustiously highfives dwatkins in return, somewjhat cluelessly.
[20:37] <daubers> s/imagine/imaging
[20:37] <diplo> dwatkins, 11.10 sucks on my laptop and heard lot's more polish in 12, don't use lappy that often so thought i could help post some bugs
[20:37] <dwatkins> brobostigon: just that we wrote essentially the same thing
[20:37] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, i see.
[20:37] <diplo> daubers, cool sounds good
[20:40] <diplo> I guess I may just tinker with 10 or chat to andy about 12 and do some testing for him if he wants :)
[20:40] <diplo> Not set up an mta properly in years now
[20:40] <diplo> going to be fun :)
[20:42]  * daubers wonders if atmel does a textbook type thing
[20:42] <dwatkins> diplo: how about setting up 10, saving an image of the disk in case you need to switch back fast, and they trying 12?
[20:43] <diplo> Not used a VPS before, do they give you option to clone your image ?
[20:44] <dwatkins> Not sure, probably not.
[20:44] <diplo> :)
[20:44] <dwatkins> Depends on what level of management you've selected, I imagine diplo.
[20:44] <brobostigon> diplo: you send bitfolk, a support ticket, to make a temporery image of your vps.
[20:44] <diplo> tbh, not fussed.. i think the first month it's going to be setting up and playing to make sure im safe before i move everything over
[20:44] <diplo> no rush
[20:45] <popey> Evening all!
[20:45] <diplo> Evening
[20:45] <brobostigon> evening popey
[20:46] <dwatkins> diplo: I assume I don't need to mention backups ;)
[20:46] <diplo> What was up with OMG popey  ?
[20:46] <diplo> heh nah, I'm actually fairly good now adays, pushed new company i work for to actually start doing them :P
[20:47] <diplo> I've never been that fussed about losing stuff
[20:47] <brobostigon> dwatkins: bitfolk are unmanaged, so you do all the work yourself.
[20:47] <diplo> Accept photos
[20:49] <dwatkins> Is it possible to copy the entire root disk whilst it's running, so you could restore it later, or are there files open etc. which won't allow that?
[20:50] <diplo> Well Mondo allows backup whilst running, never used it myself but my work place does
[20:51] <dwatkins> I guess you just rsync and constrain yourself to one filesystem
[20:52] <diplo> I think I'm going to use rsync, want to use it as offsite backup as well
[20:54] <dwatkins> yeah, rsync makes sense, saves bandwidth once you've done a full image
[21:00]  * bigcalm[lappy] eyes Unity
[21:01] <bigcalm[lappy]> Additional Drivers says that the proprietary ATI driver is installed, but how do I check that it's in use?
[21:02] <diplo> gkxinfo ?
[21:02] <diplo> glx*
[21:02] <diplo> something like that
[21:03] <brobostigon> xorg's log in .var/log ?
[21:03] <brobostigon> xorg's log in /var/log ?
[21:05] <bigcalm[lappy]> Log says that it was loaded
[21:05] <bigcalm[lappy]> Trying to find out if it's in use
[21:05] <brobostigon> question answered.
[21:05] <brobostigon> oh, ok,
[21:05] <bigcalm[lappy]> No, question pointing at answer :P
[21:05] <bigcalm[lappy]> Is there a test for performance?
[21:06] <brobostigon> i was refferring to your first answer, not the question.
[21:18] <popey> diplo: not enough ponies
[21:21]  * czajkowski wishes skype was package miss it
[21:22] <diplo> :)
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/
[21:27] <czajkowski> need it for preicse
[21:27] <czajkowski> it was there till thursday and got removed :/
[21:27] <czajkowski> my own fault
[21:27] <czajkowski> gah have just stayed in all afternoon for a meeting that nobody showed up :/
[21:27] <czajkowski> am woefully peed off
[21:27] <smittix> Anyone know what this could be? I bought a new samsung laptop yesterday and stuck ubuntu 11.10 on it. Everything works perfectly except the track pad. I have to press quite hard on it to make the cursor move.
[21:28] <zleap> is anyone running firefox 10l  it seems to put a white border around all menus causing what is behind to be obscured as wellas putting one around the list of websites that comes up when you start typing a url,  again making the actual adress box 1/2 visible
[21:34] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, I had it for precise too, and reinstalled and lost it, about to reinstall now somehow
[21:35] <AlanBell> I guess the Natty AMD64 package is the one to go for
[21:36] <AlanBell> populating the partner repo post-release really isn't very helpful :(
[21:40] <AlanBell> skype is *horrible*
[21:40] <AlanBell> pulls in tons of 32bit stuff
[21:40] <czajkowski> nn folks
[21:42] <diplo> I stopped using Skype on linux
[21:42] <ali1234> AlanBell: well yeah, that's why we have multiarch. problem?
[21:42] <AlanBell> not a major problem, just a bit messy
[21:43] <ali1234> i've started using skype quite a lot recently, it seems to work really well these days
[21:43] <ali1234> multiarch isn't too bad
[21:43] <czajkowski> diplo: well forsome, not everyone can do that
[21:43] <czajkowski> ali1234: aye it works very well
[21:43] <czajkowski> I do prefer the quality of G+ hangouts but again not everyone uses G+
[21:44] <AlanBell> I am tempted every time it goes away to not put it back, there really are not many people I talk to on skype
[21:44] <ali1234> hangouts doesn't work for me
[21:44] <diplo> heh, was about to say we've moved to G+ for most of our stuff now
[21:44] <AlanBell> one customer that likes it
[21:44] <diplo> works on all os's we use and have had 0 issues so far
[21:45] <czajkowski> I use it for ringing landlines or mobbiles as it's rather cheap once you just load it with credit
[21:45] <AlanBell> I used to use skype loads
[21:46] <zleap> spacewar is 50 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2100509/Worlds-game-Spacewar-celebrates-fiftieth-birthday.html
[21:46] <AlanBell> yay, installed it
[21:46] <AlanBell> and the indicator whitelist is even working so I can get back to it when it has been minimised
[21:46] <diplo> We used to use skype all the time for meetings
[21:46] <popey> we use G+ a lot for meetings
[21:48] <AlanBell> we use it for our openerp partner calls
[21:48] <diplo> heh I guess the hat image was a "meeting" ?
[21:49]  * popey spies ali1234 hanging out
[21:49] <popey> missus
[21:49] <ali1234> yeah turns out it works \o/
[21:49] <popey> etc
[21:49] <popey> :D
[21:50]  * AlanBell reinstalls the hangout .deb
[21:50] <czajkowski> I think my desktop is a bit messed up
[21:51] <czajkowski> cant shrink my launcher images
[21:51] <czajkowski> only seem to have unity 2d
[21:51] <czajkowski> is that right?
[21:51] <czajkowski> :/
[21:53] <popey> czajkowski: if you do "ps aux | grep compiz" do you see it listed?
[21:54] <czajkowski> czajkowski@sheldon:~$ ps aux | grep compiz
[21:54] <czajkowski> 1000      5547  0.0  0.0   9372   920 pts/2    S+   21:53   0:00 grep --color=auto compiz
[21:57] <zleap> ok that white border seems to be a 11.10 thing not just firefox, i get it if I right  c lick on desktop
[21:58] <daubers> bluetooth is slow
[21:59] <zleap> ok that happens in ambiance theme not radiance, so switched to that for now
[22:03] <diplo> daubers, yeah used it for the first time in a year recently and reminded me why I had stopped :D
[22:07] <daubers> diplo: Should have used airdroid really :(
[22:10]  * daubers goes to bed
[22:11] <bigcalm[lappy]> Has anybody here got iDisplay working with Linux?
[22:11] <popey> no idea what an idisplay is
[22:12] <bigcalm[lappy]> popey: use your iOS or Android device as a 2nd monitor
[22:12] <bigcalm[lappy]> Requires Windows or Mac though
[22:12] <popey> oh
[22:13] <bigcalm[lappy]> Would be nice while I'm on the train or on a work place day
[22:15] <bigcalm[lappy]> www.shapeservices.com/idisplay
[22:20] <jacobw> bigcalm[lappy]: what would you use the ios/android second monitor for?
[22:20] <bigcalm[lappy]> jacobw: I use 4 monitors in my office, using a single laptop screen is very painful for me
[22:20] <jacobw> i see
[22:21]  * jacobw groups bigcalm with Azelphur as a multi monitor fetishist
[22:21] <Azelphur> :D
[22:21] <jacobw> painful because it clashes with your workflow or because of posture?
[22:21] <Azelphur> bigcalm[lappy]: I know exactly how you feel, quad screen user here too
[22:22] <Azelphur> it feels like your working on a postage stamp
[22:22] <jacobw> virtual desktops!
[22:22] <bigcalm[lappy]> jacobw: workflow I guess
[22:22] <bigcalm[lappy]> jacobw: I have 6 virtual desktops on my 4 monitor setup. Most are in use as well
[22:22] <bigcalm[lappy]> Maybe I ask too much of my system
[22:23] <jacobw> imo, a feature of virtual desktops is that you can't be distracted by them
[22:24] <bigcalm[lappy]> I need so many windows open yet rather not have them all clutting the one desktop
[22:24] <jacobw> i like to minimise multitasking so i keep one 'process' on each virtual desktop
[22:25] <jacobw> sometimes i need to look at an api or something and code at the same time, i'd like metacity/compiz to tile better in that case
[22:36] <popey> Azelphur: did you go to the game fest in margate this week?
[22:36] <Azelphur> popey: nah, missed it
[22:36] <Azelphur> was you there? XD
[22:36] <popey> no
[22:36] <Azelphur> it's mostly retro stuff anyway, I'm not too into retro
[22:36] <popey> not old enough
[22:36] <popey> ☺
[22:36] <Azelphur> haha
[22:37] <popey> i only heard about it by youtube/twiter this weekend
[22:37]  * bigcalm[lappy] slithers away for the evening
[22:37] <bigcalm[lappy]> Toodles
[22:37] <popey> nn