[12:14] <Dragnslcr> You happen to know offhand if VMWare is better or worse than Wine for performance (or just in general)?
[12:14] <Alonea> morvok: ok, I will look at that too. the main thing is, I do so many different things and its like, not just one OS can satisfy all the things I want to do.
[12:14] <nuu> typically you just create a standard virtual machine, put your installation cd in the drive, and start the VM
[12:15] <Dragnslcr> I have an Athlon AM2, which supposedly has a lot of optimizations for virtual machines
[12:15] <morvok> Alonea: than virtual machines could be perfect for you :)
[12:16] <Alonea> morvok: indeed. I am already dual booting windows and linux as it is. Also, what is the difference between VM Server and VM Player?
[12:16] <morvok> vm player is for binary applications.. vmServer is for running a complete OS.
[12:17] <Alonea> morvok: ok. thanks. I will try this after dinner. hopefully I wont screw everything up
[12:18] <morvok> Alonea: good luck..
[12:21] <Dragnslcr> morvok- you know offhand if VMWare server is in the repository?
[12:22] <morvok> Dragnslcr: It won't be becuase its not a free liciense
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> Ah, gotcha
[12:23] <morvok> Dragnslcr: I believe Qemu is though.
[12:23] <morvok> Dragnslcr: it a wee bit more difficult to manage though.
[12:23] <morvok> no GUI either.
[12:25] <Dragnslcr> There's a vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 package in restricted/misc
[12:26] <jussi01> !vmware
[12:26] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[12:27] <tatters> I found this howto only took 5 mins to setup V easy http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-from-canonical-commercial-repository-in-ubuntu-feisty.html
[12:27] <jussi01> netsplit
[12:27] <jussi01> lol
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> cute
[12:27] <roym> lol
[12:27] <jussi01> !netsplit
[12:28] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> can we get a little server maintenance?
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> I think that's what we are getting
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, a little more CAREFUL server maintenance :)
[12:30] <Dragnslcr> Nice, thanks tatters
[12:31] <Filthpig> hi all
[12:32] <jussi01> !hi | Filthpig
[12:32] <ubotu> Filthpig: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:32] <LinkCanabico> Filthpig Hi
[12:33] <Filthpig> I want to turn one of my harddrives off (as in cut power, not umount).. I remember once I booted the kernel with the -no-acpi flag, and then that specific drive turned itself off when not active (which reduced the noise from my computer quite remarkably)... Now I want to disable the disk without using the -no-acpi flag
[12:33] <Filthpig> does anyone know how to do this?
[12:34] <baskitcaise> Filthpig: have a look at hdparm, this can shutdown disks and stuff like acoustic management assuming your drive handles it
[12:35] <tatters> o0(pull the plug)
[12:35] <sichemist> baskitcaise: Except it doesn't work with the new kernels-- They set every drive up as scsi
[12:35] <Filthpig> hehe tatters, I'd like to, but I need the disk to wake up when I need it
[12:36] <Filthpig> which it did with -no-acpi
[12:36] <Dragnslcr> Speaking of which, will Kubuntu autodetect a new SATA hard drive if I plug one in?
[12:36] <Filthpig> !sata
[12:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <Filthpig> !S-ata
[12:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s-ata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <Filthpig> hm
[12:37] <LinkCanabico> Filthpig abut the autodetect YES
[12:38] <k3ks> Hi!
[12:38] <k3ks> I've got a problem
[12:38] <Filthpig> LinkCanabico: I did not ask about autodetect :p
[12:38] <k3ks> this problem, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2579757#post2579757
[12:38] <LinkCanabico> sory it wass ment to Dragnslcr:
[12:38] <Dragnslcr> LinkCanabico- thanks
[12:39] <k3ks> i already askedt it in other channels, but no one knew a solution
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> I still have some files I have to pull off my old Windows box
[12:39] <k3ks> has anybody a cluehow to solfe it?
[12:39] <k3ks> solve
[12:44] <tatters> My second hard drive is 114 GB  NTFS, been using it as main storrage for docs/music films etc had no problems so far using ntfs-ng
[12:45] <k3ks> does anyone know about berl problems on kubuntu feisty?
[12:45] <k3ks> problems like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2579757#post2579757
[12:47] <sichemist> NightBird: Can you rename it under linux?
[12:47] <NightBird> sichemist, probably...
[12:47] <NightBird> I've had too many problems with getting grub to work right that I haven't had the chance to reboot into linux yet
[12:47] <sichemist> I imagine that would be the easiest solution
[12:47] <Filthpig> !pastebin
[12:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:47] <NightBird> I guess I could probably go with a live cd and do it then
[12:48] <sichemist> NightBird: That's what I would do.
[12:48] <SubOne> where can i go for information on how to get a digital camera working because digikam cannot get the images from it
[12:49] <sichemist> SubOne: I usually try google: Linux+cameraname
[12:50] <SubOne> sichemist: I have googled.
[12:51] <sichemist> What's the camera?
[12:51] <SubOne> Kodak EasyShare v530
[12:53] <sichemist> SubOne: Another possible workaround is to buy a card reader for whatever memory device your camera uses.
[12:53] <sichemist> I prefer the cardreaders myself
[12:53] <SubOne> Right, I'd prefer to have the camera read...
[12:53] <tatters> hmm Kodak notsoeasytoshareonlinux
[12:54] <SubOne> Unfortunately I don't have a job atm, can't go buy hardware
[12:54] <anon32> anyone know of an offline swf player?
[12:54] <tatters> any browser me thinks
[12:55] <tatters> as long as it supports swf obviously
[12:55] <Alonea> morvok: thanks for the luck. Going to read over this stuff and see if I understand it, and give it a shot. At least I have multiple harddrives, and if I really need to, I can back up one on an external harddrive that I have.
[12:56] <SubOne> So I guess no one can suggest any sites?
[12:56] <sichemist> SubOne: The gPhoto page says the Kodak v530 is supported...  I assumed that digikam uses libgphoto2 but maybe not...
[12:58] <sichemist> SubOne: Do you see anything in the log files when you plug it in?
[12:59] <SubOne> are they in /var/log/ somewhere... lemme check
[12:59] <sichemist> SubOne: Maybe you can do: sudo tail -f /var/log/messages and plug it in and remove it a couple of times.
[01:00] <phpcode> how to run dualscreen?
[01:00] <sichemist> !xinerama
[01:00] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[01:01] <anon32> xinerama also sucks
[01:01] <anon32> phpcode, what card do you have? most drivers have their own way to do dualhead
[01:02] <Bradstone> I have multiple resolutions listed in xorg.conf that aren't available for actual screen resolutions.... any reason why this may be?
[01:02] <anon32> Bradstone, xresprobe failed it? or because your display "supports" them but doesn't really support em? or because you added them?
[01:03] <phpcode> anon32: nvidia
[01:03] <Bradstone> Well, I didn't add them. I'm wondering about the "support" issue though
[01:03] <anon32> phpcode, look at nvidia's twinview... one sec
[01:04] <anon32> phpcode, ok, look at the xinerama page then, sorry for being wrong
[01:04] <anon32> see the section "nvidia", it'll walk you through twinview
[01:04] <SubOne> sichemist: it shows that i plugged it in
[01:05] <morla> Hi, can somebody give me a bit help with Firefox's "open with" settings, it drives me mad :-/
[01:05] <SubOne> morla: such as?
[01:05] <sichemist> SubOne: Well, that's good, I guess.  Have you tried gphoto, just for giggles?
[01:06] <sichemist> I'm not generally fond of GTK apps, but if it works...
[01:06] <morla> SubOne: it doesn't have video applications in the list, and doesn't remember the ones I picked. I have to go through /usr/bin/kaffeine every single time
[01:06] <SubOne> sichemist: dont think i have that
[01:07] <morla> SubOne: in all Kubuntu versions prior to Feisty it remembered the last used apps
[01:07] <SubOne> morla: it should remember them if they are the same file type... try asking in the #firefox channel
[01:07] <SubOne> morla: I have to say that I upgraded to fiesty and although I had some issues, that was not one of them
[01:07] <morla> SubOne: I'm positive it's a Kubuntu issue, don't know if the firefox ppl can help
[01:08] <sichemist> SubOne: You don't have it because I gave you the wrong name :/  It's gtkam.
[01:08] <SubOne> morla: although i use embedded mplayer
[01:08] <anon32> mplayer rules :-)
[01:08] <anon32> vlc is good too, but mplayer rules :-)
[01:08] <morla> SubOne: I'd do that too, but I need to keep the dialog that asks me if I want to play or save the file
[01:09] <SubOne> morla: I'm afraid I don't know, nor can I think of any reason why that would not be a firefox issue, assuming it really works the first time you search for the player
[01:09] <SubOne> sichemist: dont have that either lemme try to install it
[01:11] <morla> SubOne: ok :) I'll go and nag the #firefox crowd then
[01:11] <anon32> liek... why c4n7't i paly ne of my mp3z? wh4t da h3l1 15 wr0ng? do3s ne1 no?
[01:12] <Gerro> ux
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> anon32: could you repeat that?  maybe in english perhaps?
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[01:13] <anon32> :-)
[01:13] <SubOne> sichemist: gtkam says could not initialize camera
[01:13] <anon32> !1337
[01:13] <ubotu> 1337 i5 nigh-inc0mpr3h3n5ib13 70 u5 n00bs, 4nd n0b0dy c4r35 if UR 4 1337 h4x0r. Giv3 i7 4 r357.
[01:13] <anon32> I love that one
[01:14] <sichemist> SubOne: Well we knew that already!  Is the camera on when you plug it in?  I noticed one page that says to turn it off before plugging it in.
[01:14] <SubOne> well it is off when i put it in the dock, then i hit a button on the dock which mounts it
[01:14] <SubOne> and then digikam tries to load
[01:15] <sichemist> SubOne: I dunno, dude.  I'm out of ideas.
[01:15] <SubOne> is there perhaps a better channel to ask?
[01:15] <phpcode> anon32: i dont understand it. me=noob
[01:15] <sichemist> SubOne: Maybe in #ubuntu
[01:15] <anon32> phpcode, eh? hmm.....
[01:16] <LinkCanabico>  SubOne conect the camera hit the buton and than conect the station to the PC
[01:16] <anon32> phpcode, shall I try to walk you through it? or do you want to give up?
[01:17] <SubOne> Um... that is what is happening
[01:17] <jordan> hey anybody does kubuntu default have a ctrl+alt+F8 goin or did i mess somethin up
[01:17] <SubOne> i think i may have a solution... sec
[01:17] <anon32> ctrl +alt + f8 should bring up the boot console
[01:18] <jordan> alright ty
[01:18] <SubOne> i dont think i have permission to access it
[01:18] <martalli> How can I see what sort of drive I have in this laptop from linux?
[01:18] <martalli> I was looking in /proc and can't find any info
[01:18] <phpcode> anon32: mine xorg file does not look anything near what is under "Here is mine:"
[01:18] <martalli> (looking for something like the tagline seagate <model no>, 100gb sata, etc
[01:18] <anon32> phpcode, NO Don't PASTE
[01:19] <sichemist> SubOne: are you in all the right groups?
[01:20] <phpcode> anon32: no, im not going to PASTE the code here in public chat. :)
[01:20] <anon32> hehe, you worried me for a second
[01:20] <sichemist> lol
[01:20] <phpcode> anon32: sorry :)
[01:21] <anon32> phpcode, it's not a problem that your xorg.conf doesn't look like that, just find the part in it which says [Section "Device"]
[01:22] <phpcode> anon32: yes, ok.
[01:23] <anon32> phpcode, copy the option twinview, option renderaccel, and option useedidfreqs lines on the Xinerama howto exactly as they are there
[01:24] <phpcode> anon32: yes.
[01:24] <jujimufu> how do I watch the history of my command line?
[01:25] <sichemist> jujimufu: type history
[01:25] <anon32> phpcode, ok, now follow the instructions for setting your option "metamodes" line
[01:25] <LinkCanabico> jujimufu check "/home/yourname/.bash_history"
[01:26] <jujimufu> sichemist, LinkCanabico: thanks
[01:26] <sichemist> martalli: try this: sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda
[01:26] <sichemist> or whatever your disk is.
[01:27] <sichemist> martalli: That's a capital "I" not a lowercase "L"
[01:28] <phpcode> anon32: copy the Option MetaModes 2?
[01:28] <anon32> phpcode, don't copy it, follow the instructions on the page to set that option for your system - basically you need to add:
[01:29] <anon32> Option "MetaModes" "resolutionofmonitor1,resolutionofmonitor2;anotherresolutionformonitor1,anotherresolutionformonitor2;etc1,etc2"
[01:29] <SubOne> yay i got it
[01:30] <LinkCanabico> SubOne: how?
[01:30] <longjohn77> can someone recommend a good VM that can do win xp?
[01:30] <SubOne> i set the usb device dir to 777
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> longjohn77: all of them
[01:30] <LinkCanabico> SubOne: congrats!!
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> vmware's probably your best bet
[01:31] <sichemist> SubOne: Will it survive a reboot?
[01:31] <longjohn77> Daisuke_Ido: alrighty, but what would I have to get? vmware-player and what else?
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> a premade xp vmware image :)
[01:32] <SubOne> sichemist: it appears it didnt even survive a removal of the camlol
[01:32] <sichemist> SubOne: What group has ownership?  Are you a member of that group?  I'll bet that's the prob.
[01:34] <SubOne> sichemist: lemme check
[01:34] <longjohn77> Daisuke_Ido: where would I find one
[01:35] <phpcode> anon32: done. if it is to high for the screens what will happen?
[01:35] <anon32> phpcode, it won't work :-)
[01:35] <anon32> probably, one of your monitors will have a scrolling screen
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> no idea...
[01:35] <anon32> phpcode, anyway, just make sure you set valid resolutions
[01:36] <martalli> sichemist:  thanks
[01:36] <phpcode> anon32: like 1280x1024?
[01:36] <anon32> phpcode, yeah, that sounds good
[01:36] <SubOne> if i add myself to a group do i need to restart then?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe you could look around vmware's site and find out that vmware server is free.
[01:36] <sichemist> martalli: NP.  Did you get what you needed?  You might have to google the model number to get mfg.
[01:36] <anon32> if they're LCDs, that's probably the right number
[01:37] <martalli> sichemist:  Yes, that's the info I was looking for
[01:37] <sichemist> SubOne: Just log out and back in.
[01:37] <jpiccolo> does ram affect ftp transfer speed on a server?
[01:37] <SubOne> sichemist: k, ty
[01:37] <sichemist> SubOne: Sure.    They used to be super expensive.
[01:39] <SubOne> its loading...
[01:40] <martalli> sichemist:  Yeha, I hadn't even been looking until I decided to upgrade my wife's mac mini
[01:40] <SubOne> it says could not get file list for folder '/store_00010001/ an error occured in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not query kernel driver of device.... says same thing if i run gtkam as root
[01:40] <LHoT> hello everyone
[01:41] <Alonea> Ok, I have never tried to get my printer to work in linux before. To use it, I have to access it on the network from my dad's computer, which is windows. It is an HP All In One 2170
[01:41] <sichemist> SubOne: I dunno.  I thought that would do it.  Maybe just reboot out of desperation.
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> Alonea: it should be insanely simple
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> PSC 2170?
[01:43] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: ok. Just never done it before and don't know where to start
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> the drivers are already there
[01:43] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: yes.
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> system settings > printers
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> add > add printer / class
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> and just follow the wizard from there
[01:44] <longjohn77> Daisuke_Ido: this is pretty confusing, lol
[01:44] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: ok. network printer?
[01:44] <longjohn77> Daisuke_Ido: so essentially I either need to search around for a premade XP vm image, or make my own?
[01:45] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: or the SMB shared printer?
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Alonea: i thought you were hooking it up locally
[01:45] <Snowman> evening folks.
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> longjohn77: get vmware server.  create a virtual image.  install xp on it.
[01:46] <SubOne> ok trying a restart
[01:46] <phpcode> anon32: the section "screen".. is that a copy/paste thing?
[01:46] <Snowman> Anyone know if there's an easy way to keep the kde wireless assistant from connecting to the first unsecured network it sees, as I'd really rather not have to tell it to connect to my lan each time.
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> longjohn77: just don't expect to play games
[01:46] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: Umm, Its hooked up to my dads computer in the other room. I have to access it from there on the network. His computer has to on for anyone to use it.
[01:46] <sichemist> longjohn77: Just to make things even more interesting, there's a VM called virtual box that's really good.  Free too.
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, then go with SMB shared printer
[01:46] <anon32> phpcode, no
[01:46] <sichemist> You'll have to make your own XP image, of course.
[01:46] <anon32> phpcode, locate your section "screen"
[01:47] <phpcode> anon32: yes.
[01:47] <SubOne> Snowman: when i upgraded to Fiesty that also got updated and i havent had that issue since
[01:48] <Snowman> hmm.  wonder if I can just have adept_updater move me from dapper to feisty
[01:48] <Snowman> or if I should download a cd.
[01:48] <LjL> nope, you need to go through edgy...
[01:48] <sichemist> Snowman: moving more than one upgrade is unsupported...
[01:48] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: ok, NT status access denied
[01:48] <Snowman> heh, so can it move me to edgy, then on to feisty?
[01:48] <anon32> phpcode, it should have a "modes" section, just add together your monitors' resolutions to get the new values
[01:49] <SubOne> wtf, all of a sudden my video is screwed now
[01:49] <anon32> e.g. 1280x1024+1280x1024=2480x1024
[01:49] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: happens during browsing of the network..actually. Lemme go make sure his computer is set to printer sharing
[01:49] <anon32> add the horizontal ones, leave the vertical one
[01:49] <LjL> Snowman: yes
[01:49] <Snowman> is 7.04 stable?
[01:49] <Snowman> other than this one minor issue, 6.06 has been rock solid for me.
[01:50] <LjL> 6.06 probably tends to be more stable than other versions, given its LTS status.
[01:50] <Snowman> lts meaning?
[01:50] <anon32> Snowman, it is. It's not *LTS* though, for what that's worth.
[01:50] <sichemist> Snowman: I went from breezy -> dapper -> edgy on one machine without a problem.
[01:50] <anon32> !lts
[01:50] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[01:50] <LjL> !lts
[01:50] <Snowman> ah.
[01:51] <Snowman> I don't usually stick with a distro version for 3 years though.
[01:51] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: ok. I had to turn on printer sharing, but it still isn't working. Do I need to restart his computer or something?
[01:51] <LjL> Snowman: 7.04 seems "stable enough" for me, but your mileage may vary.
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> not particularly sure
[01:51] <Snowman> I'll just grab a cd.  this machine (dell latitude) is pretty well supported under most distros...
[01:51] <Daisuke_Ido> might want to restart the wizard though
[01:51] <Snowman> alonea you shouldn't have to, no.
[01:52] <Snowman> his machine is xp home, or pro?
[01:52] <Alonea> Snowman: XP Pro with Media Center
[01:53] <Alonea> Snowman: his firewall might be blocking me.
[01:54] <Snowman> that's a possibility.  make sure that his firewall has an exception for "windows file and printer sharing".
[01:55] <morla> If I found a rather small bug.. something that isn't really worth a launchpad entry.. where would I report it?
[01:55] <Alonea> Snowman: never mind...he actually has it turned off.
[01:55] <Snowman> ah, so it's not that.
[01:55] <Snowman> hold on a moment, I've seen this on my LAN be, and found a howto about it.
[01:56] <phpcode> anon32: i have 6  Subsection "Display" .... is it safe to delete 5 of them or?
[01:56] <Alonea> Snowman: okies, and if you need the exact message its this: Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[01:57] <anon32> phpcode, !!! pastebin your xorg.conf, I wanna inspect it...
[01:58] <phpcode> where can i post it?
[01:58] <anon32> http://pastebin.ca
[02:00] <phpcode> anon32: ok.
[02:01] <anon32> link?
[02:01] <phpcode> http://pastebin.ca/471596
[02:01] <phpcode> please dont hate me. im only noob in linux :)
[02:02] <anon32> phpcode, oh, each subsection is for a different depth, copy the same modes onto each subsection (and don't delete anything)
[02:02] <Alonea> phpcode: nah, we couldn't hate you. you ask questions and accept the adice we give. nothing wrong with that.
[02:02] <Alonea> *advice
[02:02] <anon32> phpcode, or, since you only defined one metamode, only set "2560x1024" for the modes
[02:03] <Snowman> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32190.html
[02:03] <Snowman> that might be helpful alonea
[02:04] <phpcode> anon32: the Section "Screen" like that wen i opened xorg for the first time :)
[02:04] <anon32> can I share a printer over samba and require a logon? or does it have to be public?
[02:04] <anon32> phpcode, yeah, I just realized that mine was too, lol
[02:04] <Snowman> alonea: about 1/3 of the way down, there's someone who got the same error you're getting and worked around it.
[02:06] <|ericsson|> Could anyone tell me how to put the 'home icon' back on the desktop?
[02:08] <Alonea> Snowman: ok, thanks.
[02:08] <Alonea> Daisuke_Ido: looks like it isn't as quick as I was hoping
[02:09] <sichemist> |ericsson|: Right click desktop, select create new > link to application
[02:09] <sichemist> |ericsson|: Then put this in the command box: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[02:10] <sichemist> |ericsson|: Then change the icon :)
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i said that when i thought you were hooking it up locally :\
[02:10] <Daisuke_Ido> as it is now, i have absolutely no idea how to get it working :(
[02:11] <Alonea> YAY! pressing back, changing to guest, and going back forward works!
[02:11] <|ericsson|> Ah, wonderful, thank's sichemist
[02:11] <sichemist> |ericsson|: No problem.  I've had to look that up before, myself.
[02:12] <|ericsson|> sichemist: One would image it should be relatively easy to add an icon to the desktop though ;)
[02:12] <sichemist> |ericsson|: There might be an easier way, but that's the one that I know. :-)
[02:13] <Daisuke_Ido> Alonea: well that's good
[02:13] <jrick> you can also create a launcher, name it Home, and point it to ~. Then change icon.
[02:14] <jrick> location, i mean
[02:14] <|ericsson|> hah, I'm lost when it comes to changing the icon though, would you know that as well sichemist? ;)
[02:14] <jrick> right click, properties
[02:15] <K-Ryan> Good evening everybody
[02:15] <jrick> click the wrench
[02:15] <jrick> click the icom
[02:15] <jrick> icon
[02:15] <|ericsson|> Ah, there we go, thank's jrick
[02:16] <|ericsson|> jrick: I'm so not used to gui's :)
[02:16] <jrick> not sure where the home icon is, though.
[02:16] <|ericsson|> jrick: was named kdf_home
[02:17] <phpcode> anon32: im sorry that i had to ask you that many questions, but i installed my first linux yesterday(Thursday). :)
[02:17] <jrick> it's filed under Filesystems, and called folder
[02:17] <|ericsson|> phpcode: if you never ask, then you will never now :)
[02:17] <anon32> phpcode, hehe, after you adjust your screen, it should be ok to save and restart X
[02:17] <jrick> folder_home
[02:18] <jrick> sry, just changed to dvorak.
[02:18] <jrick> _ is next to enter.
[02:18] <|ericsson|> jrick: I found it under system icons -> applications -> kdf_home :)
[02:18] <phpcode> anon32: you know what have happend if you dont see me again soon :) *lol*
[02:19] <anon32> phpcode, hehe, backup your original xorg.conf - that way, if it don't work, when you get sent back to a command prompt, you can copy the old one back and fix your problem
[02:20] <phpcode> how to copy a file? *lol*
[02:20] <Alonea> ya know, this was similar set up that I did in vista. You had to do a weird workaround to get past a similar error
[02:20] <|ericsson|> cp source destination
[02:20] <phpcode> k. thx
[02:20] <Filthpig> !qgl
[02:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qgl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:20] <Filthpig> !xgl
[02:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:20] <sichemist> phpcode: If the file is owned by root, you have to do: sudo cp source destination
[02:21] <Filthpig> lol
[02:22] <|ericsson|> In feisty, when clicking on icons there was/is an effect that animated a zoom effect, how to enable/disable that?
[02:23] <Filthpig> I'm installing winXP through qemu now.. I just love those little nuggets of information they serve while installing: "Windows XP is the fastest and most reliable Windows operating system yet. If a program crashes, you can safely close the program without losing data or restarting Windows"
[02:23] <Filthpig> and stuff like that
[02:23] <jrick> ericsson: not sure. tried to get that on edgy running KDE 3.5.6, but nothing there.
[02:24] <SubOne> finally fixed the camera
[02:24] <LHoT> hello all, #beryl and #ubuntu-effects are being slow, can someone help me with my Beryl problem?
[02:24] <K-Ryan> Filthpig, they give you them because it takes so long to install it.
[02:25] <|ericsson|> jrick: had the zoom effect the first time I upgraded to 356, then next machine, same version: no zoom :)
[02:25] <|ericsson|> !zoomy-thingie
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zoomy-thingie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <K-Ryan> LHoT I'll see what I can do, what's your problem?
[02:25] <jrick> it always worked fine for my install of feisty.
[02:25] <|ericsson|> xp ~40 minutes installation compared to badgers ~13
[02:26] <K-Ryan> I loved installing Kubuntu
[02:26] <theamazingpotato>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 123456
[02:26] <K-Ryan> Took 5 minutes or something.
[02:26] <theamazingpotato> oops
[02:26] <K-Ryan> lol
[02:27] <Filthpig> hahaha
[02:27] <K-Ryan> I'm sorry
[02:27] <jrick> same happened to me
[02:27] <Skrot-> And you can browse the web while you're installing ;)
[02:27] <K-Ryan> It's just that I've done it too
[02:27] <LHoT> one sec, got someone else to help
[02:27] <SubOne> yay and it works with digikam
[02:27] <LHoT> thank you anyways
[02:27] <theamazingpotato> hey is there a way to make a root account on kubuntu
[02:27] <K-Ryan> Skrot- You can do pretty much anything while installing Kubuntu can't you?
[02:27] <LHoT> :-D
[02:27] <Skrot-> K-Ryan: Yupp :)
[02:27] <K-Ryan> I had people walk me through it on here actually...
[02:27] <Skrot-> hehe, exactly
[02:28] <K-Ryan> Hey, how hard is Wine to use?
[02:28] <Filthpig> the only thing I wonder about is: Why does the default *ubuntu themes look so incredibly boring?
[02:28] <theamazingpotato> use crossover office
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I'm going to get it setup sometime, I just lack motivation to do it.
[02:28] <theamazingpotato> theres a trial of it
[02:28] <Filthpig> K-Ryan: it's piece of cake
[02:28] <jrick> i like the themes.
[02:28] <jrick> nice and clean
[02:29] <sichemist> |ericsson|: zoom effect: Its in .kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[02:29] <theamazingpotato> and to make it open right click the file then say this is a executable file
[02:29] <K-Ryan> Filthpig they keep it simple
[02:29] <sichemist> set VisualActivate=1
[02:29] <|ericsson|> !root | theamazingpotato
[02:29] <sichemist> I think
[02:29] <ubotu> theamazingpotato: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:29] <Filthpig> too simple imho
[02:29] <K-Ryan> Maybe, but simple is a nice way to start out.
[02:29] <K-Ryan> Getting rid of the whole "Linux is complicated" idea.
[02:29] <SubOne> does anyone know if there is a way to filter the files shown in digikam? because there are some files that are not images (camera related files i guess) and i dont want my wife copying them by accident.
[02:29] <K-Ryan> Makes it more user friendly
[02:29] <|ericsson|> sichemist: I edit with vi?
[02:30] <Filthpig> look to the two big OS's (you know which), they put lots of emphasis on design and "fresh" looks..
[02:30] <sichemist> yeah.  I found this once before and I think its right, but I'm not certain.
[02:30] <alexandre> brasileiros?
[02:30] <K-Ryan> Well we have "fresh looks" as well.
[02:30] <Filthpig> not by default :s
[02:31] <mahdi> what plugin do i need for amarok to play m4a's?
[02:31] <K-Ryan> Well not incredibly fresh by default.
[02:31] <Filthpig> no :p
[02:31] <K-Ryan> But all you have to do is go into system settings, play around there
[02:31] <K-Ryan> Or that website, kde-look
[02:31] <K-Ryan> It's not that hard
[02:31] <jrick> who else thinks that kubuntu should have an alternative brown look like ubuntu?  I kind of like the brown.
[02:31] <nixternal> mahdi: does Amarok currently play mp3s for you?
[02:31] <Filthpig> !medibuntu | mahdi
[02:31] <ubotu> mahdi: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[02:31] <mahdi> voting yes on brown
[02:32] <K-Ryan> jrick you can set Kubuntu up with a brown theme
[02:32] <nixternal> eww
[02:32] <nixternal> mmm KDE blue
[02:32] <jrick> one is not installed, is it?
[02:32] <K-Ryan> I liked the brown too, but I prefer the sleek styles I use in Kubuntu
[02:32] <K-Ryan> Like this silvery theme I've got goin' right now.
[02:32] <mahdi> nixternal: oh, well i guess it doesn't. whoops.
[02:32] <nixternal> there are a couple of brown/human color thems at https://www.kde-look.org
[02:32] <K-Ryan> I had a nice orange on black.
[02:33] <K-Ryan> Although it started to get a little too dark.
[02:33] <jrick> last time I looked, there was no brown color settings, unless I made a custom one.
[02:33] <sichemist> |ericsson|: Zoom effect: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=392930&highlight=icon+launch+effect+feisty
[02:33] <|ericsson|> sichemist: I can't find an entry called zoom effect though :(
[02:33] <K-Ryan> jrick, you can make or find.
[02:33] <sichemist> set VisualActivate=1
[02:34] <sichemist> |ericsson|: follow the link
[02:34] <sichemist> Gotta go eat. (pizza!)
[02:34] <theamazingpotato> ok
[02:34] <Alonea> damn...vmware wont install without this vmmon module thing...time to search around...
[02:34] <jrick> I didn't know kde-look was secure!?
[02:34] <theamazingpotato> i will make a new account
[02:34] <nixternal> sichemist: I just ordered mine :)
[02:34] <nixternal> pizza that is
[02:34] <theamazingpotato> that way i have two
[02:34] <theamazingpotato> one for root
[02:34] <Filthpig> I like mine... black background, transparent taskbar, nuvoX(?) icons and beryl with an emerald theme
[02:34] <theamazingpotato> and one for regular use
[02:34] <nixternal> Alonea: vmware server?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> jrick, secure?
[02:35] <Filthpig> anyone wanna see? ^^
[02:35] <jrick> https://
[02:35] <nixternal> Alonea: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[02:35] <K-Ryan> I was trying to get Beryl working.
[02:35] <nixternal> there are some sed lines you can use with vmware to make it work with feisty
[02:35] <Filthpig> and?
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Granted I did, but I think because I didn't have my drivers it lagged really bad.
[02:36] <K-Ryan> (Video card)
[02:36] <Alonea> nixternal: yeah, I am completely new to this and I am trying this out.
[02:36] <Filthpig> what gfx card do you have?
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Well at the time it was an Ati Radeon 9800
[02:36] <K-Ryan> 128MB
[02:36] <nixternal> Alonea: I will tell you, it could be a headache. I got lucky and it went through like a breeze using that wiki page
[02:36] <nixternal> read it through first just to make sure you don't miss anything
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Now I've got a GeForce 6600 256MB
[02:36] <Filthpig> K-Ryan: and now?
[02:36] <Filthpig> ah
[02:37] <K-Ryan> But my proccessor is only 1.8Ghz
[02:37] <nixternal> Alonea: and whatever you do, don't use the little anyany hack that is out there, it will kill your vmware installation
[02:37] <Filthpig> so is mine ;)
[02:37] <Filthpig> I have a gf 7600 gs, but I used to have a ti4400
[02:37] <K-Ryan> Oh wow, that's cool
[02:37] <Filthpig> no problem at all with 6600
[02:38] <K-Ryan> I'll show you a pic of my old one that was really neat.
[02:38] <Filthpig> sure
[02:38] <SubOn1> ran out of laptop battery
[02:39] <SubOn1> yay
[02:40] <Tired_> How does one check for Firefox updates in Kubuntu...it seems to be non-functional over here?
[02:40] <Alonea> nixternal: ok, have yet to see it. I am attempting to install Mac OSX on here. Ok, on the serial number  thing (which I really don't like doing since it involves giving out personal info), it asking which vm ware products you use. Am I using VMware GSX or ESX Server?
[02:40] <Filthpig> whut.. K-Ryan DCC failed :s
[02:41] <nixternal> ya, you need to fill that out somewhat legitamately
[02:41] <theamazingpotato> i just went into admin mode
[02:41] <jontec> Tired_: well, I think it might be hard coded or something in 2.0. But whenever there's an update to ABP, I'm notified and I can choose to install the update
[02:41] <theamazingpotato> without the root sudo help
[02:42] <jontec> Tired_: I'm not totally sure... you might check #ubuntu, too... It's a GTK application
[02:42] <Tired_> How about general updates?  Adept is odd...is there an apt-get guide somewhere?  (google was unhelpful)
[02:42] <theamazingpotato> how do i get out of admin mode
[02:43] <Alonea> ok, sorry, my firefox crashed suddenly.
[02:44] <phpcode> that didn't help.
[02:44] <K-Ryan> Sorry Filthpig, had to get the door
[02:44] <Alonea> who was I talking to again? and may I have that link again?
[02:44] <jontec> Tired_: well, I think Adept is awesome. Do check for updates and then go ahead and search for firefox; if there's an update, then it will be listed for the package
[02:44] <Tired_> Can I do it with apt-get in the console?
[02:44] <Alonea> oh nm. there is the link. is in my history
[02:44] <jontec> Tired_: use `man apt-get` :D Best guide you're going to find.
[02:45] <Tired_> *sigh*  I miss the days when the console was desirable
[02:45] <Filthpig> K-Ryan: again. Connection timed out :S
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Hmmph
[02:45] <jontec> Alonea: do you have flash installed? There's been a lot of problems with the new version and Firefox; my friend is having them. Anything flash related that I come across, I go to a windows comp.
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Hold on two seconds
[02:45] <jrick> Tired_ you mean just regular updates from the terminal?
[02:45] <Tired_> yeah
[02:46] <jrick> sudo apt-get update
[02:46] <jrick> then
[02:46] <jrick> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:46] <Tired_> and then to update the packages?
[02:46] <Tired_> sweet!
[02:46] <Tired_> thanks!
[02:46] <Tired_> :D
[02:46] <jrick> no prob.
[02:46] <jontec> Tired_: it is desired, but since you wanted a guide I assumed you were a beginner... and apt-get is not the best thing for a beginner, at least when I was starting (and still isn't too friendly at times)
[02:46] <Tired_> i'm a kubuntu beginner, not a linux beginner
[02:46] <Alonea> jontec: yeah, I have flash installed with no problems...what does that have to do with vmware?
[02:46] <jontec> Tired_: gotcha.
[02:47] <Tired_> used to portage
[02:47] <jontec> Tired_: ahh, I see, then you use cli all the time :D
[02:47] <sylvisj> oh man, my beryl is running amazingly slow
[02:47] <sylvisj> can anyone help out?
[02:47] <Tired_> yeah.  i'm liking kubuntu, though...things 'just work' more often
[02:47] <jontec> Alonea: well, Flash 9 (whatever we're on :D) + Firefox can equal the exits that you are getting, vmware or not
[02:48] <Tired_> when my beryl slows down, i switch back to Kwin for a sec and it seems to be faster when I turn beryl back on....
[02:48] <sylvisj> hmm, will try it
[02:48] <jontec> Tired_: basically you just want to use apt-get install or so. I like Adept because I started with KDE and Kubuntu before I leared about gentoo and portage
[02:48] <sylvisj> Everything's got some nasty lag with effects
[02:49] <sylvisj> Kwin's doing it fine
[02:49] <jontec> Tired_: I haven't got try the juicy goodness of beryl in feisty yet
[02:49] <Tired_> I did have to fiddle with the effect durations before they were pretty but not too slow
[02:49] <sylvisj> yeah, I'm gonna have to
[02:49] <sylvisj> this is nuts
[02:49] <Tired_> The fire effect takes forever
[02:49] <Alonea> jontec: oh, not even on a flash page. I was trying to register and get a serial number for vmware, and then suddenly memory usage went nuts and firefox quit and openoffice complained there wasn't enough memory available to do such and such action
[02:49] <sylvisj> My GMA950 laptop is shitkicking my 8800gts desktop
[02:49] <sylvisj> both with beryl
[02:50] <Tired_> 8800gts is slow?  how are the drivers for that?
[02:50] <sylvisj> -.- don't ask
[02:50] <sylvisj> They may be why
[02:50] <K-Ryan> Filthpig, http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3691/snapshot1fk8.jpg
[02:50] <Tired_> that might slow things up if they're not mature (i don't know if they are or not)
[02:51] <Tired_> my FX 5200 seems perfect
[02:51] <Skrot-> K-Ryan: I like it cleaner; http://folk.ntnu.no/romnes/feisty_oxygen.png :)
[02:51] <K-Ryan> that was when i was new to Linux
[02:51] <sylvisj> It's much better after this reload
[02:52] <K-Ryan> So I didn't really know what I could do, or how to do it.
[02:52] <LinkCanabico> Tired_ has your fx 5200 a tv in? and if does it work?
[02:52] <sylvisj> K-Ryan: what are you using for that sys info up top?
[02:52] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think any 5200 has a tv-in
[02:52] <Tired_> No TV in.  It has TV out, but I haven't tried it yet
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> s-video OUT, yes
[02:52] <sylvisj> erm, Skrot-
[02:53] <LinkCanabico> mine has
[02:53] <sylvisj> what are you using for that sysinfo
[02:53] <K-Ryan> Oh okey
[02:53] <Skrot-> sylvisj: Kima applet
[02:53] <jontec> Alonea: it doesn't have to be a flash page; just having flash installed
[02:53] <sylvisj> Alright, can anyone throw me some tips for speeding up Beryl?
[02:53] <Skrot-> sylvisj: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kima+-+kicker+monitoring+applet?content=33257
[02:53] <Alonea> jontec: ok..but I have had flash for months without any problems...
[02:54] <LinkCanabico> but i dont know the capture chipset so no idea how to make it work
[02:54] <jontec> Alonea: then it may not be flash, but that's just a check that I do. I had problems with it back on 6.06
[02:55] <Alonea> jontec: ah. well, this is the first time I have seen firefox crash like this, so I doubt its flash. I am just trying to get vmware installed and working at the moment
[02:55] <Tired_> LinkCanabico: does nvtv work for that?
[02:55] <jontec> Tired_: I'm not sure. (I'm not even sure if that's nVIDIA or ATi, I got my ATi running fine after the package. Have you installed any proprietary packages yet?)
[02:56] <LinkCanabico> Tired_ no idea what nvtv is can you explain?
[02:56] <jontec> Tired_: but, of course, I haven't had any chance to test my card for its performance.
[02:56] <Alonea> OK, I followed that page that someone gave me and when I click on the vmware icon, it goes to the loading phase, and then goes off...
[02:56] <theamazingpotato> how do i make a new user
[02:56] <LinkCanabico> yes nvidia driver
[02:57] <Tired_> LinkCanabico: nvtv is the thing that makes the tv-out on nvidia cards work (awkward explanation, I'm not familiar with it as I should be)
[02:58] <LinkCanabico> Tired no prob thanks il look into it
[02:58] <Tired_> jontec: Oh yeah, I have nvidia drivers and flash installed...not sure what else might be proprietary on here
[02:58] <Tired_> LinkCanabico: it's in the repos
[02:58] <jontec> Tired_: I was just speaking about proprietary for the card, sorry.
[02:59] <Tired_> jontec: Then yeah, I have the drivers all installed.  They were pretty easy in Feisty
[02:59] <Alonea> anyone??? man, this is why I hate installing things from the ubuntu package source things...
[03:00] <Filthpig> K-Ryan: hey, I was goofing about, trying to record my desktop while I was fooling about.. I like your desktop, but I'd suggest getting some new icons?
[03:00] <LinkCanabico> Tired im on fedora now i just prefer the Kubuntu forum il check as soon as im home
[03:00] <Filthpig> I think the defaults are a bit dull ;) but that's me
[03:00] <Filthpig> :]
[03:00] <Tired_> Oh, they'll have it, too
[03:00] <K-Ryan> I don't really use my desktop for anything
[03:00] <K-Ryan> So I don't mind it to be honest
[03:00] <sylvisj> Skrot-: How the heck did you get it to show up at the top left, off of the panel?
[03:01] <Skrot-> sylvisj: I just added it there :>
[03:01] <sylvisj> How?
[03:01] <Skrot-> "off of the panel" btw?
[03:01] <sylvisj> away from kicker
[03:01] <sylvisj> you had the taskbar at the bottom and kima at the top
[03:01] <Skrot-> I've got two panels, one on top and one on the bottom
[03:01] <sylvisj> how'd you pull that off?
[03:02] <theamazingpotato> bye
[03:02] <Skrot-> Right click the panel at the bottom of the screen -> add new panel -> panel and drag it to the top if you want a panel on the top of the screen
[03:03] <jontec> Filthpig: they're classicly awesome. I look for them everytime I step into KDE.
[03:04] <Filthpig> each has his own taste
[03:04] <Filthpig> luckily ;)
[03:04] <Alonea> anyone here successfully put on vmware on fiesty before?
[03:05] <Filthpig> Alonea: I guess so. I'm using kvm/qemu right now
[03:05] <jrick> I perfer to have a mac style menu at the top.  It's 4-5 time's faster to put the mouse there b/c it's it the edge of the screen.
[03:06] <sylvisj> ok, ty
[03:06] <sylvisj> so now then
[03:06] <sylvisj> Need help installing vmware
[03:06] <phpcode> when i try to open Adept package manager, i get an error thar says that it maybe some other programs that are Adept-programs, apt-get or aptitude. But i only have opend firefox and mirc.
[03:06] <sylvisj> It's saying that something is already installed
[03:07] <hsystem-x> .
[03:08] <Alonea> Filthpig: ok, well, I installed it through adept, but it doesn't load
[03:09] <jhutchins> Alonea: vmware isn't just a program that you load.
[03:09] <hsystem-x> .
[03:09] <jhutchins> Alonea: There's a lot more to it than that.  There is a #vmware support channel, but they'll probably set your underwear on fire if you haven't red the docs first.
[03:10] <snake> hi all
[03:10] <snake> i just installed feisty and beryl in it but i get the cube all white
[03:10] <snake> when i open beryl
[03:10] <Alonea> jhutchins: I mean the vmware server console thing doesnt load. As in, when I click on it, it goes to loading phase then stops...just trying to get to some point where it asks for the serial number the instructions said to get
[03:11] <Tired_> snake -> check your video drivers
[03:11] <snake> ok
[03:11] <snake> thnx
[03:11] <sylvisj> Yeah, I'm trying to get vmware server to install
[03:11] <eloi> hi, how can get vnc in kubuntu??
[03:12] <sylvisj> I had already tried installing vmware-player, removed it and apt-get auto-remove'd the old stuff... but it's still saying there's old vmware software installed
[03:12] <jrick> does parallels have anything for linux, or just vmware?
[03:12] <jhutchins> Alonea: I would expect to run servers from a console.  Try it there, you may get useful error messages or other feedback.
[03:12] <jhutchins> Alonea: Probably necessary to do initial setup from the console - but spelling vmware is about the extent of my actual knowledge, I'm just going off general linux technique.
[03:12] <sylvisj> jhutchins: Mind helping me actually get it installed?
[03:13] <jhutchins> sylvisj: I wish I could, but as above, all I know is linux basics, I don't know vmware at all.
[03:13] <jontec> phpcode: try `sudo apt-get update` and see if apt-get has anything helpful to say... (a restart might help, but not if it is open right now :D) there maybe packages that aren't fully conifgured
[03:13] <sylvisj> hmm, k
[03:13] <jontec> configured*
[03:13] <Alonea> jhutchins: ok. i think what may be the problem is I was trying to install it the normal way from source, but did not know it was not for fiesty, so its partially installed, but not configured at all because of the module thing.
[03:14] <jhutchins> Alonea: can you sudo make uninstall?
[03:14] <Alonea> jhutchins: i dunno. you ran a .pl file to install it in the first place..
[03:15] <eloi> hi, how can get vnc in kubuntu??
[03:16] <Alonea> jhutchins: though I honestly hate adept at the same time...especially when it uninstalls extra things.
[03:16] <jhutchins> Alonea: You may be able to read through the perl script and figure out what it did, but best bet is finding someone who's been there.
[03:16] <phpcode> jontec: thx :-)
[03:16] <jhutchins> Alonea: Since this is generic vmware questions, not feisty specific ones, they might be able to help you in #vmware, nobody here seems to be speaking up.
[03:17] <jontec> phpcode: did it work? don't say thanks unless it did, ;)
[03:17] <Tired_> I tried to get VMWare working, but it wouldn't, so I gave up.  No help from me.
[03:17] <jhutchins> !vnc | eloi
[03:17] <ubotu> eloi: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:18] <phpcode> jontec: it did work :-D
[03:18] <Tired_> Althon x2's are awful cheap now
[03:18] <jontec> phpcode: okay, good then :D
[03:18] <Alonea> jhutchins: ok, I got it uninstalled.
[03:19] <jhutchins> Excellent!
[03:20] <Alonea> jhutchins: it was on the page that told me how to install it on adept. in case you had a source installation..gonna try installing it again on adept.
[03:20] <Filthpig> Tired_: but buying a new cpu means a new motherboard, a new mb means a new gfx card, new, faster ram, a more powerful psu...
[03:21] <jhutchins> Alonea: Great!  Good luck!  I'm gonna go help out in the kitchen.
[03:21] <Alonea> jhutchins: alrighty
[03:21] <Filthpig> and a new cpu fan (those boxed fans aren't very silent oO)
[03:21] <Filthpig> so a new cpu for me = a new computer
[03:21] <Filthpig> = more than I have to live for in a month
[03:22] <Tired_> i just got a new cpu, mobo, and ram for less than $200
[03:22] <Tired_> onboard video, but I had an old agp card around
[03:22] <Filthpig> mb with agp support?
[03:22] <Filthpig> in 2k7?
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, I just hopped on my friend's laptop and I'm setting up Kubuntu.
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Now during installation, he wasn't hooked up to the internet and I
[03:23] <Filthpig> I guess I've got an hour left
[03:23] <Filthpig> :s
[03:23] <Alonea> o....k...now there is not a VMWare server console in my menu...
[03:23] <K-Ryan> am having trouble enabling repos
[03:23] <Tired_> Filthpig, AGP and core 2 duo support
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Tips?
[03:24] <Filthpig> Tired_: what mb is that?
[03:24] <Tired_> Asus P5PE-VM
[03:24] <K-Ryan> I'm in the Adept Manager for the repos, I don
[03:24] <K-Ryan> *don't quite remember exactly what to do seeing as I did this forever ago.
[03:24] <Filthpig> K-Ryan: the laptop is on the net now?
[03:24] <jrick> feisty?
[03:24] <K-Ryan> Yeah I hooked it up
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Wireless doesn't work.
[03:25] <Alonea> K-Ryan: what card you got? I have to ndiswrapper mine..
[03:25] <K-Ryan> No idea
[03:25] <jrick> adept -> manage repositories
[03:25] <Alonea> K-Ryan: lspci should tell you
[03:25] <K-Ryan> My friend says its an integrated.
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Alright, hold up
[03:26] <K-Ryan> jrick I'm there, but uncommenting isn't working.
[03:26] <Alonea> K-Ryan: the name will be under the one labelled Network Controller
[03:26] <jrick> in feisty?
[03:26] <ayande__> anyone that knows what i need to install in order to send mail through my php script on website?
[03:27] <jrick> or dapper?
[03:27] <K-Ryan> 0000:05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4311 (rev 01)
[03:28] <K-Ryan> My main concern right now though is enabling these repos.
[03:28] <jrick> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:28] <K-Ryan> Ah yes, let me try that.
[03:31] <Filthpig> Tired_: thanks for the tip, I'll keep it in the back of my mind until I get rich ;)
[03:31] <Tired_> ;)
[03:31] <Tired_> I compute on a budget also
[03:32] <Tired_> just upgraded from Pentium 3 a month ago
[03:32] <tmbg> wow. welcome to like. the early 90s. or something.
[03:32] <K-Ryan> !adeptcrash
[03:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptcrash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:32] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix
[03:32] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:33] <jrick> K-Ryan: you may need to sudo apt-get update
[03:33] <K-Ryan> uhh
[03:33] <K-Ryan> yeeeeaaaahhh
[03:33] <K-Ryan> =)
[03:33] <Filthpig> Tired_: The motherboard you've got is Intel, right?
[03:33] <Filthpig> I'm kind of an AMD guy
[03:33] <Filthpig> AMD and nvidia
[03:33] <Tired_> yeah
[03:34] <Tired_> but it was cheap
[03:34] <Filthpig> hehe
[03:34] <Filthpig> yeah
[03:34] <Filthpig> it's damned chep, really
[03:34] <Filthpig> oh well
[03:36] <reya276> helo
[03:36] <reya276> hello
[03:36] <jrick> need help?
[03:36] <reya276> yes
[03:37] <reya276> I recently converted from windows vista, so I'm new to this OS
[03:37] <jrick> need to find your way around?
[03:37] <reya276> although the GUI seems the same there are somethings that I can't seem to do
[03:38] <Druntar> Hello
[03:38] <reya276> I need to install Adobe Acrobat Reader 7.0, but it keeps telling me I do not have enough permission
[03:38] <jrick> how are you trying to install it?
[03:38] <Druntar> Is there someone who can help me with an internet issue?
[03:38] <jrick> and doesn't kpdf do what you need it to?
[03:39] <reya276> by clicking on the Install file
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Is there an easy command to tell Kubuntu to update itself? Right now this laptop is running Dapper, I need to get it to Feisty.
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Or do I have to change the repo lines and blah blah blah
[03:39] <reya276> I get the terminal window
[03:39] <Tired_> Druntar: We won't know until you ask.  :)
[03:39] <jrick> what's the install file's extension?
[03:39] <Filthpig> !feisty | K-Ryan
[03:39] <ubotu> K-Ryan: Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[03:39] <reya276> and then it asks me to create the adobe directory, then that's when I get the messege of not having permission to do so
[03:39] <K-Ryan> I'm upgrading though
[03:40] <reya276> I can't see it
[03:40] <K-Ryan> From Dapper, is there a direct way?
[03:40] <reya276> how can I see the file extension
[03:40] <Filthpig> K-Ryan: not through update
[03:40] <Druntar> lol Good point. Well the issue I'm having is I'm using kubuntu from the live cd. I've tried it on my parents PC with no problems, but my computer seems to have internet connection issues when I run it. I had to log back into windows to get on here to ask.
[03:40] <jrick> roll your mouse over the icon.
[03:40] <jrick> a tooltip should appear
[03:41] <jrick> extension is on the end after the period
[03:41] <reya276> it says "Shell Script"
[03:41] <killermach_> ok.. I have a fresh install of fiesty kubuntu.. but I don't see how to activate the desktop effects.. any help?
[03:41] <jrick> oh boy.
[03:41] <jrick> just a sec.
[03:41] <K-Ryan> !edgy > K-Ryan
[03:41] <reya276> sure
[03:42] <Filthpig> killermach_: what desktop effects? Beryl?
[03:42] <reya276> oh boy what?
[03:42] <jrick> shell scripts are messy if your new to linux
[03:42] <Druntar> anyone have any ideas what it could be
[03:42] <reya276> really
[03:42] <Druntar> I'm so new its scarry. Only my second day
[03:43] <jrick> have you tried kpdf?
[03:43] <killermach_> Filthpig: I suppose so, I had an install of Edgy 6.1 and updated it to 7.04 and there appeared a menu option System -> Preferences -> Desktop effects, that gave the wiggle windows
[03:43] <Filthpig> reya276: you know Kubuntu comes with a PDF viewer on it's own? It's called KPDF and is very good
[03:43] <reya276> I should be ok, I'm a web developer so I think I can figure this out
[03:43] <killermach_> now I've done a fresh install from a 7.04 download ISO and cannot find it
[03:43] <jrick> kmenu - graphics - kpdf
[03:43] <K-Ryan> what's the kubuntu version of gksu "update-manager -c
[03:43] <K-Ryan> "
[03:43] <K-Ryan> ?
[03:44] <reya276> the issue with me is that I do not know what all these things mean, since I'm use to wincrap
[03:44] <Filthpig> killermach, you'll be wanting beryl, then
[03:44] <reya276> nope
[03:44] <Filthpig> !beryl | killermach_
[03:44] <ubotu> killermach_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:44] <crazy_bus> I'm confused.  I received nation geographic video podcasts in akregator.  Each video had a description and a link to the video.  However all the links have disappeared.  The descriptions are still on my computer but the links aren't.  Why would this happen?
[03:44] <jrick> on the bottom left corner is the kmenu. (start menu)
[03:45] <reya276> I manage to update my Graphics Card Drivers for my intel chip set so I think I should be ok
[03:45] <Druntar> I'm guessing no one has a clue why I can't connect to the net?
[03:45] <Druntar> when using kubuntu
[03:45] <jrick> ok, well that doesn't mean I can handle it.
[03:45] <Filthpig> Druntar: you'll have to find out what network card you have
[03:45] <jrick> I much perfer to use the Debian package system
[03:45] <reya276> ok then you want me to go to Add/Remove
[03:45] <Filthpig> then you can google it
[03:46] <Druntar> it's an onboard network adapter on an asus p5nsli board
[03:46] <jrick> no, I just checked, it's not in there.
[03:46] <Simeon_H> hmm... anyone know how to get hardware acceleration with the Ati Radeon mobility M6 LY
[03:46] <LinkCanabico>  Simeon use the ATI drivers
[03:46] <jrick> from adobe's web site, is there a download special to ubuntu or debian (.deb)?
[03:46] <reya276> I have KPDF installed
[03:47] <jrick> will that workL
[03:47] <jrick> ?
[03:47] <reya276> I just opened it
[03:47] <reya276> well it does not have all the Features of Acrobat Reader
[03:48] <jrick> ok, well check for a /package/ to download from adobe.
[03:48] <jrick> like .deb or .rpm
[03:48] <Druntar> hmmmm could it be a firmware issue maybe?
[03:48] <dsmith> what are the ubuntu dvds?
[03:48] <dsmith> repositories?
[03:48] <reya276> my only issue with this OS(Ubuntu) that I can see is this Install thing, if is not on the Add/Remove then your screwed
[03:49] <reya276> unless you are a Linux Guru
[03:49] <Druntar> no not really
[03:49] <Druntar> you're not giving yourself time to learn anything
[03:49] <jrick> not really, you can install the script with instructions, or if there's a package, you can install that.
[03:49] <dsmith> I'm not a linux guru and I handle the cmd line fine
[03:49] <Druntar> you're just jumping into it and expecting it to work like windows
[03:49] <K-Ryan> reya376 I thought the same thing when I first started
[03:50] <K-Ryan> It's really not that bad and I actually prefer using the repos as to downloading a file and installing
[03:50] <reya276> how do you install a package?
[03:50] <K-Ryan> Much more convinient
[03:50] <dsmith> sudo apt-get
[03:50] <K-Ryan> You can go into Adept, or sudo apt-get install
[03:50] <jrick> sudo dpkg -i <file>
[03:50] <K-Ryan> in the terminal
[03:50] <Druntar> from the command line
[03:50] <Druntar> or you can use adept
[03:50] <BluesKaj> well , I'm pretty fed up with ati graphics ...what a decent graphics card that will do 3D accellerated images and still not be too $$...not a gamer , but I like my Google Earth , which I just can't seem to get working on feisty
[03:50] <dsmith> I prefer the repos as well
[03:51] <Druntar> I'd go with a geforce 7500
[03:51] <Filthpig> Druntar: your card is a Marvell 88E8001 PCI Gb LAN controller... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=538725 this url might give you a hand
[03:51] <dsmith> Nvidia
[03:51] <Druntar> pretty solid card
[03:51] <Druntar> thank you filth
[03:51] <Filthpig> np
[03:51] <Druntar> but how do I use that when I'm on the live cd
[03:51] <Filthpig> tinker!
[03:51] <Filthpig> :)
[03:51] <dsmith> hah
[03:52] <Druntar> lol
[03:52] <Filthpig> well
[03:52] <dsmith> install the card to your mobo
[03:52] <Druntar> the card is onboard
[03:52] <dsmith> exit your xorg
[03:52] <dsmith> edit I meant
[03:53] <dsmith> update your drivers
[03:53] <Tired_> is there a program in the repos that will give me comprehensive info on the ram currently in my system, kinda like CPU-Z or wCPUid does in Windows?
[03:53] <jrick> ok, first do a sudo apt-get install alien
[03:53] <Filthpig> Tired_: there are loads of widgets in SuperKaramba
[03:53] <dsmith> Tired superkaramba
[03:53] <Tired_> sweet  :)
[03:53] <Filthpig> they give you loads of info
[03:53] <jrick> then from Adobes site, download the .rpm
[03:53] <Filthpig> or you can look at www-kde-apps.org
[03:54] <dsmith> I use these 2, light and liquid weather
[03:54] <jrick> reya276: listening?
[03:54] <dsmith> whats the difference between the cd and dvd ISOs for ubuntu?
[03:55] <jrick> reya276 open the konsole, and type 'sudo apt-get install alien'
[03:55] <dsmith> alien loves rpms
[03:55] <dsmith> :)
[03:55] <dsmith> Yummm
[03:55] <jrick> yeah, there's no .deb
[03:56] <jrick> haha yum
[03:56] <Tired_> uh...this superkaramba looks less like a RAM information program and more like Konfabulator.  I just need to know what week my RAM was made
[03:56] <Druntar> well I'm off to see if any of that helps
[03:56] <dsmith> well, once it spits it back out it is a .deb
[03:56] <Filthpig> Tired_: uh?
[03:57] <jrick> i get the feeling like no one is listening to me...
[03:57] <Tired_> i don't want a monitor to tell me how much ram is in use, I need to know detailed info about the chips themselves
[03:57] <Filthpig> oO
[03:57] <Filthpig> KInfoCenter?
[03:57] <Filthpig> otherwise.. Browse kde-apps.org
[03:58] <Tired_> Something that reads the SPD data
[03:58] <dsmith> crack open the case and read the number on the ram stick
[03:58] <Tired_> I find it hard to believe there is nothing in the Ubuntu repos that will tell you the CAS numbers...
[03:58] <dsmith> and then look it up on the manufactuers website
[03:58] <reya276> How do I go to a directory in Terminal
[03:59] <Tired_> dsmith -> you're kidding, right?
[03:59] <jrick> kmenu - system - konsole
[03:59] <jpiccolo> anyone know how to make my server's ftp transfer go faster?
[04:00] <dsmith> thats what I did
[04:00] <reya276> sorry dude I was trying to figure the Acrobat Stuff totally forgot about the chat window
[04:00] <dsmith> jpiccolo, port trunking?
[04:00] <jrick> in konsole, run 'sudo apt-get install alien'
[04:00] <jrick> and give password
[04:00] <reya276> ok I did this what did I just installed ? sudo apt-get install alien
[04:00] <jpiccolo> dsmith, this is on lan
[04:01] <jrick> alien will convert .rpm's into deb's
[04:01] <reya276> ok is done
[04:01] <Tired_> I'm not going to dig my case out of the clkoset for that.  It would be easier to install Windows just to look, but I can't believe there is no overclocking utilities in Ubuntu.
[04:01] <jrick> download the .rpm from adobe.
[04:01] <jpiccolo> Tired_, are you trying to overclock you video card?
[04:02] <reya276> and this will anable me to install apps easy or do I still have to use the console
[04:02] <Tired_> No, I want to know the CAS latency, the week of manufacture and the other SPD data of my RAM.
[04:02] <jrick> you still need the konsole
[04:02] <reya276> ok let me download it now
[04:02] <jrick> SAVE the .rpm
[04:03] <jrick> ok, I'm downloading it also, so I can see what you will be going through.
[04:03] <jrick> kind of slow...
[04:04] <reya276> ok I saved in to my Desktop
[04:05] <jrick> ok, in konsole, type 'alien AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386.rpm'
[04:05] <reya276> yes it is very slow, there site is slow period, man I wish they had dreamwaver for Linux, that would be awsome
[04:05] <reya276> Dreamweaver
[04:05] <jrick> wait, before you do that, 'cd Desktop'
[04:06] <reya276> before I do what
[04:06] <reya276> I started downloading to that location
[04:06] <jrick> do 'cd Desktop'
[04:06] <jrick> this will change you from Home to Desktop
[04:06] <reya276> oh crap that's how you change directories, just like DOS
[04:07] <jrick> now 'sudo alien AdobeReader_enu-7.0.9-1.i386.rpm'
[04:08] <reya276> ok  did that
[04:08] <jrick> do 'ls'
[04:08] <jrick> like 'dir' in dos
[04:08] <jrick> what's the file name with the .deb extension?
[04:08] <reya276> it says 'hostname: Unknown host' and is just sitting there
[04:09] <reya276> let me check
[04:09] <jrick> after you did what?
[04:09] <reya276> adobereader-enu_7.0.9-2_i386.deb
[04:09] <jrick> is that with caps?
[04:10] <jrick> linux is case sensitive
[04:10] <reya276> nope
[04:10] <Druntar> Hello folks
[04:10] <reya276> hello
[04:10] <slougi> i think alien automatically converts names to lower-case
[04:10] <Druntar> comin at ya live from kubuntu
[04:10] <slougi> iirc
[04:10] <Druntar> don't know what I did but I have internet now
[04:10] <slougi> the internet's pretty convenient isn't it? :)
[04:11] <jrick> ok, now 'sudo dpkg -i adobereader-enu_7.0.9-2_i386.deb'
[04:11] <Druntar> I love it
[04:11] <Druntar> lol
[04:11] <slougi> teh intarnetz
[04:11] <Druntar> now I have another probelm
[04:11] <jrick> fix caps if necessary.
[04:11] <slougi> fire away
[04:12] <jrick> oh, btw, <shift><insert> pastes into a konsole.
[04:12] <reya276> there are no caps that's how it was generated by the console
[04:12] <Druntar> I want to convert to linux, but don't want to lose all my personal files on my windows install. I have no way of backing up that data. Is there a way to resize my existing ntfs partition to make it a dual boot?
[04:12] <jrick> did you run that last command?
[04:12] <slougi> Druntar: yes, although I do not recall the specifics right now, one sec. checking on the convenient internet :)
[04:13] <reya276> running it now
[04:13] <jrick> good.
[04:13] <reya276> ok it stopped
[04:13] <jrick> where?
[04:13] <jrick> reading database?
[04:14] <slougi> Druntar: here is one procedure that should work: http://www.nishants.net/articles/ntfsresize.htm
[04:14] <Druntar> I love free tech support
[04:14] <reya276> no it did that already
[04:14] <reya276> I guess is done
[04:14] <jrick> now check on kmenu for Acrobat
[04:15] <slougi> Druntar: resizing ntfs has basically three steps: (1) defrag it in windows to move all data to the beginning of the partition, (2) resize the file system itself, and (3) resize the partition which holds the file system
[04:15] <Druntar> hmmm I'm on vista though
[04:15] <slougi> Druntar: most important is to realise that (2) and (3) are separate steps
[04:15] <slougi> Druntar: that shouldn't make a difference really
[04:16] <reya276> oh is there but when I try to run it, it says 'Failed to execute child process "acroread"(permission denied)
[04:16] <Alonea> ok, vmware installed!
[04:16] <Alonea> and it seems to work now.
[04:16] <slougi> Druntar: maybe the installer even knows how to automatically do that now...
[04:16] <jrick> try 'sudo acroread'
[04:16] <Alonea> now I have a question. Is it possible to install a new vm on an external hard drive?
[04:17] <reya276> you mean in to console
[04:17] <jrick> yes
[04:17] <reya276> that gives me
[04:17] <reya276> command not found
[04:17] <Druntar> would qparted be able to do it?
[04:17] <Druntar> it's already defraged
[04:18] <jrick> on the kmenu, right click on acrobat
[04:18] <jrick> click properties
[04:18] <slougi> Druntar: possibly yes, just remember to run it from the livecd
[04:18] <Druntar> that's what I'm on now
[04:18] <jrick> uh, edit item.
[04:18] <slougi> Druntar: right
[04:18] <Druntar> Honestly I don't want to even keep windows
[04:18] <slougi> Druntar: i'd just give it a try and see if it complains
[04:19] <jrick> what does the command box say? (in the kde menu editor)?
[04:20] <reya276> well I can seem to get a properties box when I right click
[04:20] <reya276> can't
[04:20] <jrick> edit item
[04:20] <reya276> you know I'm using Ubuntu right
[04:21] <jrick> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:21] <reya276> unbuntu
[04:21] <reya276> ubuntu
[04:21] <jrick> oh, I thought you were on kubuntu b/c you're on the kubuntu channel.
[04:22] <jrick> uh, than where did you get konsole from?
[04:22] <reya276> see names are too similar
[04:22] <reya276> confused now, but hey atleast you got it to install
[04:22] <jrick> ubuntu -> gnome.   kubuntu -> kde
[04:22] <reya276> and though me how to do it, thanks
[04:23] <jrick> does it run?
[04:23] <reya276> see too many flavors, I'm use to XP or Vista
[04:23] <reya276> that's it
[04:23] <jrick> can you run acrobat?
[04:23] <reya276> nah it says permission denied
[04:23] <jrick> what happens when you right click it?
[04:24] <reya276> I get 3 menus
[04:24] <jrick> is edit item one of them?
[04:24] <reya276> no
[04:24] <jrick> what are the three choises?
[04:24] <reya276> is basicly asking me to create shortcuts for it
[04:25] <jrick> ok, I think your on gnome, not kde.
[04:25] <jrick> wait, what version?
[04:25] <jrick> 6.06 or 7.04
[04:26] <jrick> (or 6.10)
[04:26] <reya276> yes it is Gnome
[04:26] <reya276> 7.04
[04:26] <jrick> ok, in prefrences, open menu editor
[04:26] <jrick> or something simular,
[04:27] <jrick> i don't have gnome in front of me
[04:27] <jrick> System - Preferences
[04:27] <reya276> ok
[04:28] <jrick> in Alacarte (I think that's what it's called) select Acrobat
[04:28] <jrick> alacarte is the menu editor
[04:28] <jrick> what is under command?
[04:31] <jrick> huh, wierd. Acroread is the command, but when under superuser (sudo) it can't find the command.
[04:31] <nalioth> mind your letter case
[04:32] <jrick> (acroread is lowercase)
[04:32] <reya276> ok let me try it again
[04:33] <se7en> how do i rip a dvd with k3b
[04:35] <TeeBaggie> Hey, can someone tell me where to put my fonts?
[04:35] <jrick> um, yeah.  that's about the wierdest thing I have seen linux do.
[04:35] <TeeBaggie> ?
[04:35] <slougi> TeeBaggie: ~/.fonts
[04:36] <slougi> i.e. the .fonts dir in your home directory
[04:36] <TeeBaggie>  Ty.\
[04:36] <jrick> and sudo /usr/bin/acroread doesn't work either.
[04:36] <slougi> jrick: what does `which acroread` say?
[04:36] <jrick> huh.
[04:36] <jrick> absolutely nothing.
[04:36] <slougi> TeeBaggie: run fc-cache -fv afterwards to immediately update font data,  it'll take a minute or two otherwise
[04:36] <jrick> do i need sudo?
[04:36] <TeeBaggie> ?
[04:37] <slougi> that command should show you where the binary is located
[04:37] <TeeBaggie> fc-cache?
[04:37] <dasnipa> erm dumb question how do i tell my sys tray to not stack icons and instead display just on one line?
[04:37] <TeeBaggie>  in the run command?
[04:37] <slougi> TeeBaggie: yeah "fontconfig cache updater tool"
[04:37] <slougi> TeeBaggie: yeah
[04:38] <slougi> dasnipa: it'll stack icons automatically if there is space for that, not sure if you can turn that off
[04:38] <TeeBaggie> where exactly do i put fonts? im new to linux :P
[04:38] <jrick> fakeroot doesn't work either.
[04:38] <dasnipa> slougi: hm there has got to be...
[04:39] <slougi> TeeBaggie: just right-click -> actions -> install :)
[04:39] <TeeBaggie> ex. /home/brandon/.fonts?
[04:39] <slougi> TeeBaggie: on the .ttf
[04:39] <TeeBaggie> ok
[04:39] <TeeBaggie> :)
[04:39] <johan> hallo
[04:39] <johan> good morning
[04:39] <johan> :)
[04:39] <slougi> and select personal if it's just for you, or system wide if for all users
[04:39] <johan> i need some help here
[04:40] <TeeBaggie> yay! ty
[04:40] <jrick> any ideas how to get acroread working?
[04:40] <slougi> TeeBaggie: np :)
[04:40] <johan> i have kubuntu on my scsi hard drive in /dev/sda2
[04:40] <TeeBaggie>  Can someone help me w/ steam?
[04:40] <Tired_> Question:  if I shut down my system, physically remove the hard drive with Kubuntu, replace it with a totally different drive, then later, I want to reverse the process, will the kubuntu install be affected at all?
[04:40] <jrick> sorry reya276, this is really confusing
[04:40] <johan> and i install windows on /dev/sda1
[04:40] <TeeBaggie> I think its just the font, but i have no text, i used wine
[04:40] <johan> but now i cannot run my kubuntu
[04:40] <slougi> Tired_: if you don't touch the HD, it will not be affected
[04:40] <Tired_> :)
[04:41] <slougi> Tired_: pretty logical, no? :)
[04:41] <johan> because when i restarting the pc i cannot found os selection
[04:41] <johan> how can i run my kubuntu?
[04:41] <slougi> johan: you must reinstall the kubuntu boot manager (it is called GRUB)
[04:41] <TeeBaggie> yup, font.
[04:42] <TeeBaggie> ty all
[04:42] <slougi> np
[04:42] <johan> how to do that?
[04:42] <Tired_> lol, the only logic in my bizarrely un-logical problem.  i have to install windows for a minute so I can access my hardware, before I can go back to Kubuntu.
[04:42] <reya276> is ok, I'll do some digging
[04:42] <johan> can i install grub from my  live cd?
[04:42] <slougi> johan: I am just checking if there is an easy way for that, one minute
[04:42] <reya276> thanks
[04:42] <slougi> johan: yes
[04:42] <johan> ok
[04:42] <johan> thanks
[04:42] <jrick> ok, I have to go, so hope everything works out fine.
[04:42] <slougi> johan: if you boot from the livecd and come on irc i can walk you through it, it's not very difficult but entails some command line stuff
[04:43] <dsmith> Hmmmm ran.... sudo apt-get upgrade and I get this pop box... Upgrade...Cancel or Allow?
[04:43] <slougi> Tired_: sounds good :)
[04:43] <johan> i am booting with live cd right now
[04:43] <slougi> johan: ok cool
[04:43] <slougi> johan: i'll be off the comp for a minute or so, hold on :)
[04:43] <johan> ok
[04:43] <ubuntu> hey slougi
[04:43] <ubuntu> this is druntar
[04:43] <reya276> ok thanks
[04:44] <ubuntu> forgot to commit the partition changes
[04:44] <ubuntu> so now I'm waiting on that
[04:48] <Druntar> ok qparted seems to have locked up after I hit commit
[04:48] <slougi> johan: ok, first thing, open a terminal
[04:48] <johan> ok :)
[04:48] <slougi> Druntar: sure it's not just grinding the drive?
[04:48] <Druntar> well the windows have all locked up
[04:48] <Druntar> and are non responsive
[04:48] <slougi> hmm weird
[04:49] <Druntar> well not unresponsive
[04:49] <slougi> johan: got the terminal?
[04:49] <Druntar> I can move them around but I minimized it for a second and when I reexpanded they are all blank
[04:49] <johan> yes
[04:49] <slougi> johan: ok, type sudo -i to begin with so we don't have to say sudo all the time. tread carefully, you're now in root mode
[04:50] <johan> done
[04:50] <slougi> Druntar: hmm, well I don't really know what to say to that

[04:50] <slougi> johan: ok. where did you say you had install kubuntu? /dev/sda2?
[04:50] <johan> yes /dev/sda2
[04:50] <slougi> ok
[04:51] <slougi> type mkdir <something>, mkdir temp will do
[04:51] <slougi> just create a temporary directory
[04:51] <slougi> after that, mount /dev/sda2 temp
[04:51] <johan> wait
[04:51] <slougi> which will mount your ubuntu filesystem on the temp dir
[04:52] <slougi> ok
[04:52] <slougi> Druntar: still locked up?
[04:52] <johan> mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:52] <Druntar> I'm guessing it's just doing it's thing my hard drive light hasn't gone out since I started it so maybe it's doing it's thing
[04:52] <Druntar> just let it run
[04:53] <slougi> yeah let it sit for a second and see if it comes to its senses
[04:53] <johan> wait
[04:53] <johan> it work
[04:53] <slougi> ok cool :)
[04:53] <johan> so what next?
[04:53] <slougi> next step, cd temp
[04:53] <slougi> i.e. go into the dir
[04:53] <johan> ok
[04:53] <slougi> two commands next:
[04:53] <slougi> mount -t proc proc proc
[04:53] <slougi> (yes you need all those procs :)
[04:54] <slougi> and mount -t sysfs sys sys
[04:54] <johan> done
[04:54] <slougi> right
[04:54] <slougi> hmm, do "mount -o loop /dev dev" just to be sure
[04:54] <slougi> I am not 100% if its required but it does not hurt
[04:54] <slougi> 100% sure
[04:55] <johan> --- /dev: Is a directory it said
[04:55] <slougi> then do "cd .." to back out of the dir again
[04:55] <slougi> ah sorry
[04:55] <slougi> -o bind, not -o loop
[04:55] <Druntar> so ummm <twiddles thumbs>
[04:55] <slougi> Druntar: kmenu -> games :)
[04:55] <Druntar> lol
[04:56] <Druntar> don't have games since it's live cd
[04:56] <slougi> johan: still with me?
[04:56] <johan> i cannot found my temp dir
[04:56] <slougi> johan: type pwd, what does it say?
[04:56] <Druntar> I'd have to jump on adept and snag some
[04:56] <johan> pwd
[04:56] <slougi> Druntar: damn livecd :)
[04:56] <johan> it said /
[04:56] <slougi> johan: i mean the output of that command
[04:57] <slougi> ok, type ls
[04:57] <slougi> do you see a directory called temp?
[04:57] <johan> no
[04:57] <johan> but tmp
[04:57] <slougi> no that's different
[04:57] <slougi> type just "cd"
[04:57] <johan> i cannot find temp
[04:57] <slougi> and then see with ls if there is a temp dir there
[04:58] <johan> yes
[04:58] <yotux> is there a good place to find out how to allow amarok to play a large variety of media formats?
[04:58] <johan> :)
[04:58] <slougi> ok cool :)
[04:58] <slougi> type "ls temp", you should see stuff like usr, lib, bin, home, etc.
[04:58] <slougi> yotux: yes, on the ubuntu wiki
[04:59] <slougi> yotux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:59] <johan> yes
[04:59] <slougi> johan: cool, half-way there :)
[04:59] <slougi> now, this is an important step
[04:59] <slougi> type "HOME=/root chroot temp /bin/bash"
[04:59] <johan> home=/root chroot temp/bin/bash
[04:59] <johan> sorry
[05:00] <slougi> the caps are important :)
[05:00] <slougi> as are the spaces
[05:00] <johan> ok
[05:00] <slougi> there should really be a button "REINSTALL GRUB PLZ"
[05:00] <Druntar> crap
[05:00] <slougi> Druntar: ?
[05:00] <johan> chroot: cannot change root directory to temp/bin/bash: Not a directory
[05:00] <johan> ls
[05:00] <Druntar> ok someone want to explain why my mouse keeps going out?
[05:00] <Druntar> it'll take a reboot to get it going again
[05:01] <Druntar> and I can't do that right now
[05:01] <slougi> johan: as I said the spaces are important
[05:01] <Druntar> logitech g5 laser mouse
[05:01] <slougi> Druntar: hmm... type alt-space to bring up katapult, type konsole, in the konsole type dmesg to see kernel output. anything interesting on the last lines?
[05:01] <Druntar> thought I had it fixed but when I opened the add/remove programs it went out again
[05:02] <slougi> johan: got it?
[05:02] <johan> HOME=/root chroot temp/bin/bash like this?
[05:02] <johan> ls
[05:02] <slougi> no, there is a space between temp and /bin/bash
[05:02] <slougi> ie "HOME=/root chroot temp /bin/bash"
[05:02] <Druntar> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[05:03] <johan> done :)
[05:03] <slougi> that's just floppy stuff
[05:03] <slougi> johan: cool :)
[05:03] <johan> ls
[05:03] <slougi> johan: type "update-grub"
[05:03] <johan> but i havent done the bind thing isit ok?
[05:03] <intelikey> chroot temp su -       :)
[05:03] <Druntar> well I can't scroll up to see anything else
[05:03] <slougi> johan: it should be
[05:03] <johan> it said done
[05:04] <slougi> intelikey: the HOME env var gets set wrong sometimes
[05:04] <intelikey> that's what the su -  was for
[05:04] <slougi> intelikey: right
[05:04] <johan> findfs: Unable to resolve 'UUID=0886ace5-a458-4d5c-9e5f-44e496e697d7'
[05:04] <johan> Cannot determine root device.  Assuming /dev/hda1
[05:04] <intelikey> puts you in a root "login" shell
[05:04] <slougi> johan: ouch
[05:04] <slougi> stop
[05:05] <slougi> intelikey: we already are
[05:05] <Druntar> nothing looks like it would be related to the mouse
[05:05] <Druntar> it's all bluetooth and eth0 stuff
[05:05] <slougi> johan: type "exit"
[05:05] <slougi> Druntar: not sure then
[05:05] <johan> done
[05:05] <Druntar> I'm starting to think it's the damn mouse
[05:05] <slougi> johan: do "cd temp"
[05:05] <johan> yes
[05:05] <Druntar> does linux support plug and play maybe if I unplug it and replug it in
[05:06] <slougi> johan: do "mount -o bind /dev dev"
[05:06] <slougi> Druntar: if it's usb it should work
[05:06] <johan> mount or bind?
[05:06] <slougi> the command is mount, -o bind is an argument to it
[05:06] <intelikey> slougi no i mean on the chroot.      i was just pointing out a more system specific way.     using  su -  in the chroot sets all the env according to that systems root account  just as if you had logged into it in the console
[05:06] <johan> done :)
[05:07] <slougi> intelikey: yeah i got that, and i'll keep it in mind for the future. for now we had already done sudo -i before
[05:07] <intelikey> wasn't trying to start a fight.
[05:07] <slougi> yeah no worries :)
[05:07] <slougi> johan: ok cool, now "cd .." to go back up one level
[05:07] <johan> ok
[05:07] <slougi> the dots are important
[05:08] <johan> ok two dots :)
[05:08] <slougi> johan: then the chroot thing again, let's take intelikeys suggestion :) "chroot temp su -"
[05:08] <johan> just like that or use Home=.. ?
[05:09] <Druntar> ok when I unplugged it got "usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[05:09] <slougi> just like that, it's a better way
[05:09] <Druntar> after plugging back in now power to mouse and no response from kernel
[05:09] <johan> cannot execute binary file
[05:09] <johan> wait wait
[05:09] <johan> done
[05:09] <slougi> ok
[05:09] <slougi> do the update-grub thing again
[05:10] <Druntar> man that hard drive live is still going
[05:10] <Druntar> light*
[05:10] <slougi> Druntar: are you resizing it now or what exactly?
[05:10] <johan> searching for grub inst dir found /boot/grub
[05:10] <Druntar> it's supposed to be resizing the ntfs partition and freeing up the 100 gigs or so that'll be left
[05:11] <osiris> yeah.  that takes time
[05:11] <osiris> lots of time
[05:11] <johan> testing for an existing grub menu.lst found /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:11] <Druntar> ok that explains the qparted seeming to lock up
[05:11] <Druntar> now what about my mouse lol
[05:11] <osiris> yep
[05:11] <slougi> johan: then found kernels, updating menu.lst?
[05:11] <osiris> leave it
[05:11] <johan> found kernel :/boot/vmlinuz
[05:11] <johan> ye
[05:11] <johan> yes
[05:11] <slougi> nice
[05:11] <slougi> johan: one second
[05:12] <Druntar> the kernel isn't even recognizing me plugging the mouse back in
[05:12] <intelikey> usb mice
[05:12] <Druntar> yeah
[05:12] <Druntar> logitech g5 laser mouse
[05:12] <Druntar> keeps bugging out
[05:13] <Druntar> it'll just stop working for no reason
[05:13] <intelikey> check the log files ?
[05:13] <Druntar> and takes a reboot to get it working again
[05:13] <Druntar> don't know how to do that
[05:13] <Druntar> slougi had me open konsole and type dmesg
[05:13] <intelikey> browse /var/log/  cat any-log.file
[05:14] <Druntar> lol ok only my second day in linux please be a bit more clear if you can
[05:14] <intelikey> messages and xorg in particular
[05:14] <johan> can i reboot now?
[05:14] <slougi> johan: one second
[05:14] <slougi> johan: type grub
[05:14] <johan> ok :)
[05:14] <slougi> :)
[05:14] <johan> done
[05:15] <slougi> type "find /boot/grub/stage1"
[05:15] <johan> (hd1,1)
[05:15] <Alonea> why is it when I delete files off my external harddrive, that it puts the recycled files on my main harddrive?
[05:15] <slougi> ok
[05:15] <AMDfanboy> hey guys, is automatix cool?
[05:15] <intelikey> Druntar  open a konsole and type this;   for Q in /var/*xorg* ;do tail $Q ;done | less
[05:15] <slougi> johan: now type "root (hd1,1)"
[05:16] <johan> done
[05:16] <slougi> johan: you want the boot menu when you first start the computer right?
[05:16] <johan> yes
[05:16] <slougi> ok, then type "setup (hd1)"
[05:17] <intelikey> Druntar that will get you the last 10 lines of each xorg log file in the 'less' pager   you can scroll up and down  page or  even search in there.   hit q to exit less
[05:17] <johan> it said succeeded
[05:17] <slougi> intelikey: afaik X isn't really concerned with the input devices directly, just the /dev entries
[05:17] <slougi> johan:  ok cool :) type "quit"
[05:17] <johan> ok
[05:17] <slougi> johan: then type "exit"
[05:18] <johan> done
[05:18] <slougi> johan: then we have to unmount the filesystems we mounted before
[05:18] <Alonea> ok, not to get pissy, but how does something so simple as a recyling bin keep on getting messed up? It says now that it cannot read such and such file
[05:18] <johan> ok
[05:18] <slougi> johan: so go back into the temp dir: "cd temp"
[05:18] <johan> ok
[05:18] <Druntar> says tail; cannont open "var/*xorg*" for reading: no such file or directory
[05:19] <intelikey> slougi is the kernel or the xserver dropping his mouse ?
[05:19] <slougi> andh them "unmount proc", then "unmount sys", then "unmount dev"
[05:19] <slougi> intelikey: i would presume the kernel, afaik X just responds to events from /dev/input/foo
[05:19] <intelikey> Druntar did i type that ?   /var/log/*xorg*   was what it should have been
[05:20] <johan> unmount or umount?
[05:20] <slougi> johan: sorry, my bad. umount.
[05:20] <johan> ok
[05:20] <dsmith> i have a usb drive that wont auto mount no longer
[05:20] <johan> done
[05:21] <dsmith> I did a package upgrade last night
[05:21] <intelikey> slougi noted.  lets see if xorg is whining then we'll look at dmesg
[05:21] <Druntar> same thing
[05:21] <slougi> johan: then "cd .." to back up one, and "umount temp" to unmount the linux partition. then just reboot and report back :)
[05:21] <slougi> intelikey: good point
[05:21] <johan> ok
[05:21] <johan> thank u slougi very very much
[05:22] <Druntar> same message
[05:22] <slougi> no problem. I hope they will make this a one button operation in the future.
[05:22] <slougi> dsmith: do other usb drives still automount?
[05:23] <Druntar> <screams at his stupid mouse>
[05:23] <intelikey> Druntar ok sorry.   i'm still half asleep here.    lets try one more time.    for Q in /var/log/Xorg* ;do tail $Q ;done | less
[05:23] <dsmith> I dont have any other swith me at this moment
[05:23] <intelikey> and yes i tested that it should work
[05:23] <dsmith> I looked in /mnt and I have just the cd-rom
[05:23] <dsmith> I did rcently reformat this drive in NTFS from FAT32
[05:24] <dsmith> should not mater though
[05:24] <Druntar> same thing
[05:24] <slougi> dsmith: hmm, if you plug it in and look at the ouput of "dmesg" (ie kernel messages) does it say anything about the usb device?
[05:24] <Druntar> I'm thinking its because I'm on a live cd
[05:24] <intelikey> Druntar :)   now he tells me.
[05:24] <intelikey> yeah might be.
[05:25] <Druntar> lol slougi knows so I figured since he knew that and if he thought that was teh problem he'd tell you
[05:25] <intelikey> Druntar ok     dmesg    see what the end of that tells us
[05:25] <Druntar> he made no mention so I thought it unimportant
[05:25] <slougi> well, why would a livecd affect that? i am not all-knowing :)
[05:25] <Druntar> sweet qpart says it's done
[05:25] <slougi> argh
[05:26] <intelikey> no reserve log files to see what happened before the reboot slougi
[05:26] <dsmith> slougi: ok it does mention the USb drive
[05:26] <Druntar> well qpart is done so I can reboot now
[05:26] <Druntar> that will fix it for now
[05:26] <dsmith> it does pickup the model name even
[05:26] <slougi> intelikey: ah right. sorry, was distracted.
[05:26] <Druntar> once I get linux installed we'll work from there
[05:26] <slougi> dsmith: ok, so at a kernel level it works
[05:26] <intelikey> Druntar good plan
[05:27] <slougi> dsmith: is HAL running?
[05:27] <dsmith> looked like it attempted a few times
[05:27] <Druntar> ok going to reboot
[05:27] <dsmith> HAL?
[05:27] <dsmith> !HAL
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <Druntar> how do I do that lol I don't want to hard reboot
[05:27] <slougi> the hardware abstraction layer
[05:27] <slougi> dsmith: quick way to check: "ps aux | grep hal"
[05:27] <slougi> should list a number of processes
[05:28] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+f1   &&&  ctrl+alt+del
[05:28] <intelikey> Druntar   ^
[05:28] <dsmith> acpi, keyboard, storage
[05:29] <dsmith>   ...  /usr/lib/hal
[05:29] <dsmith> appears so
[05:29] <intelikey> bye Druntar
[05:29] <slougi> yes
[05:29] <slougi> intelikey: familiar with the HAL automount stuff?
[05:29] <intelikey> no
[05:29] <slougi> crap, me neither
[05:30] <intelikey> automatic crap tic's me off.....
[05:30] <dsmith> heh
[05:30] <intelikey> so i avoid it
[05:30] <slougi> intelikey: well, err
[05:30] <slougi> ah
[05:30] <slougi> what dirs do you have in /media?
[05:30] <dsmith> cdrom0
[05:30] <slougi> ok
[05:31] <slougi> let me just quickly check what locally happens when I plug in a usb stick
[05:31] <slougi> one sec
[05:31] <dsmith> as I remember it shows a folder
[05:31] <dsmith> like sda1
[05:31] <slougi> yes I meant on a system level
[05:32] <dsmith> oh
[05:32] <intelikey> i'm not sure what's what there   but <dsmith> I did rcently reformat this drive in NTFS from FAT32  <<<  yes that matters.
[05:32] <intelikey> !ntfs
[05:32] <dsmith> hmmmmmmmmmm
[05:32] <intelikey> oh bot desync'd ?
[05:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:34] <slougi> shouldn't it still mount ro?
[05:34] <intelikey> if it was "setup" in fstab.  no.
[05:34] <dsmith> one sec
[05:34] <intelikey> if not "maybe"...
[05:35] <slougi> yeah...
[05:35] <dsmith> reloading ntfs-3g
[05:36] <dsmith> brb
[05:36] <intelikey> or should i say   if ! grep vfat /etc/fstab ;then echo maybe ;fi
[05:37] <johan> hello
[05:37] <johan> i'm back
[05:37] <johan> slougi
[05:37] <johan> r u there?
[05:38] <johan> i try to boot grom my hard disk
[05:38] <johan> it said error 15:file not found
[05:38] <johan> i cannot enter my windows to
[05:39] <intelikey> johan let me review what slougi had you do and see if i notice anything that might help.   give me a sec
[05:39] <johan> pk
[05:39] <johan> ook
[05:39] <slougi> johan: does it say that immediately on boot?
[05:39] <kalorin`> anyone use the aegis virus scanner?
[05:39] <johan> yes
[05:40] <johan> when i choose kubuntu
[05:40] <kalorin`> it keeps finding files on my windows stuff that are "infected" witW32/Magistr.a@MMh
[05:40] <johan> then error 15
[05:40] <johan> file not found
[05:40] <kalorin`> but symantec doesn't find those
[05:40] <slougi> johan: aha, but the menu does come up?
[05:40] <kalorin`> seems odd
[05:40] <johan> yes
[05:40] <snake> hi .
[05:40] <slougi> johan: second
[05:40] <johan> i have to hard disk
[05:41] <johan> before my mbr was on my 1st
[05:41] <johan> and kubuntu in my second
[05:41] <snake> i installed beryl in feisty but i can not see the decoration of the windows. the minimize , close and maximize buttons
[05:41] <slougi> johan: ah well, that info would have helped a lot
[05:41] <slougi> johan: so you changed hd order?
[05:41] <johan> yes
[05:41] <slougi> johan: how was it before and how is it now?
[05:41] <johan> when i change to boot from second hd the menu comes up
[05:42] <cables> !effects | snake
[05:42] <ubotu> snake: For help with Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects.
[05:42] <Alonea> ok, is there a limit for file size on the trashcan that can be set? I have tried again and again to delete this file thats a little over 3 gigs without success
[05:42] <johan> but when i choose 1st hd its automatically boot the windows
[05:42] <slougi> johan: ok it would have been good to know that before
[05:43] <johan> sorry :(
[05:43] <slougi> no problem, let me just check a thing or two so we can fix it :)
[05:43] <johan> but i like to put my mbr on my sec hd
[05:43] <kalorin`> alonea, how about rm -f <file> from a command prompt?
[05:43] <johan> if its ok
[05:43] <johan> :)
[05:44] <slougi> johan: well yes "it's ok" :) just a matter of setting it up that way
[05:44] <johan> ok
[05:44] <intelikey> slougi and johan  sounds like his /boot/grub/device.map  and /etc/fstab   will both need edited to reflect the changes
[05:44] <slougi> so what you want is for the first harddrive to boot straight to windows, and the second to give you the grub menu?
[05:44] <slougi> intelikey: yes, i was not aware he had changed disk order
[05:45] <johan> :)
[05:45] <johan> sorry my bad
[05:45] <Alonea> kalorin`: *sigh* that would take a while..not to mention I am just trying to go through my drive and free up some space. just kind of annoying to have to go back and forth from the terminal and konqueror to see what I want to get rid of
[05:45] <slougi> no worries johan
[05:45] <slougi> only problem is I need to leave soon
[05:46] <slougi> intelikey: would you walk him through it?
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: install kleansweep
[05:46] <johan> oh
[05:46] <intelikey> Alonea kdesu konqueror
[05:46] <slougi> i need to leave for work in a bit
[05:46] <kalorin`> alonea, how would that "take a while"
[05:46] <kalorin`> I don't get it
[05:46] <kalorin`> opening a command prompt and going ot the directory where the file is would "take a while"
[05:46] <intelikey> slougi you can.
[05:46] <kalorin`> the rm -f <file> command would take about 20 seconds
[05:46] <slougi> johan: ok let's try to do this quickly
[05:46] <johan> ok
[05:46] <Alonea> intelikey: I know that, I am having trouble with the trashcan...it keeps messing up or failing to delete large files
[05:46] <johan> :)
[05:46] <slougi> johan: have you booted from the livecd?
[05:47] <johan> yes
[05:47] <slougi> ok nice
[05:47] <Alonea> kalorin`: I dont have one file. I have many files to delete.
[05:47] <slougi> we need to do the mounting stuff again
[05:47] <johan> ok
[05:47] <kalorin`> learn about file name masks/
[05:47] <Linux_Galore> there is actually a kde app that cleans out your system for you, its called kleansweep
[05:47] <kalorin`> or a little bash scripting
[05:47] <kalorin`> or if they'r eall in the same directory rf -fr <directory>
[05:47] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: what do you mean by cleans out system?
[05:47] <kalorin`> <---- never seen a file he couldn't delete
[05:48] <slougi> johan: so, once again "sudo -i", "mkdir temp", "mount /dev/sda1 temp"
[05:48] <intelikey> Alonea close konq and in the konsole  sudo rm -R ~/.trash     or ~/.Trash   which ever it is.   and  ln -s /dev/null ~/.trash      do what you need to do then rm the link
[05:48] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: removes uneeded files or blank files, bad links files that are doubled up on etc
[05:48] <johan> done
[05:48] <slougi> johan: nice
[05:49] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: I will look at it. just dont want it to delete something I might need
[05:49] <johan> :0
[05:49] <johan> :)
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: cleans out tmp files and your trash, very similar to the windows system manager tool
[05:49] <slougi> johan: "cd temp", "mount -t proc proc proc", "mount -t sysfs sys sys", "mount -o bind /dev dev", "cd .."
[05:49] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: alright. will run that and see what happens
[05:49] <ayande_> Does anyone know what I should do in order to make phpmail work?
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: it gives you a list before it does anything
[05:49] <johan> wait
[05:49] <slougi> johan: ok :)
[05:50] <johan> mount: mount point proc does not exist
[05:50] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: you can even tell it what files types to ignore
[05:50] <slougi> johan: did you do "cd temp"?
[05:50] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: well, thing is I dont know what a lot of these files are in my home folder are and what they are for.
[05:50] <johan> yes
[05:50] <slougi> johan: with "ls" what files do you see?
[05:50] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: you can query each one and it will tell you why it is listed
[05:51] <johan> its my windows partition files
[05:51] <johan> windows
[05:51] <slougi> johan: ah, ok
[05:51] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: even colour codes them too
[05:51] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: thats really nice. installing it at the moment. gui?
[05:51] <slougi> johan: "cd ..", "umount temp"
[05:51] <slougi> johan: linux was on sda2?
[05:51] <johan> yes
[05:51] <slougi> ok, remembered wrongly
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yep it has a gui its a kde app heh
[05:52] <slougi> johan: so after the umount do "mount /dev/sda2 temp"
[05:52] <johan> done
[05:52] <slougi> ok
[05:52] <slougi> johan: "cd temp", "mount -t proc proc proc", "mount -t sysfs sys sys", "mount -o bind /dev dev", "cd .." :)
[05:52] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: goodie. i dont mind the terminal, but sometimes its frustrating.
[05:53] <johan> done
[05:53] <slougi> johan: cool
[05:53] <johan> :)
[05:53] <slougi> johan: what does "cat temp/boot/grub/device.map" output?
[05:53] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: all apps beginning with a "K"  are GUI apps
[05:53] <slougi> Linux_Galore: not quite all, but most
[05:53] <johan> hd
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> slougi: Ive never seen a k-app thats cli
[05:54] <slougi> johan: just "hd"?
[05:54] <johan> (hd0) /dev/hdc (hd1) /dev/sda
[05:54] <Dragnslcr> I'd say most apps beginning with a G are GUI apps as well
[05:54] <mattchewie> Hey all, I was wondering is the restricted devices manager in Kubuntu?
[05:54] <Dragnslcr> "K" for KDE-made, "G" for Gnome-made
[05:54] <slougi> Linux_Galore: kconfig_compiler kconf_update for example
[05:54] <Druntar> well I'm back
[05:54] <hakaisou> is there a way that I can test to see if my Microphone can hear me?
[05:54] <Druntar> mouse is working again
[05:55] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: ok, guess that makes sense. i just don't kknow why some programs can't have a gui. I mean, some I can kind of see, but others it just makes it a hassle to figure out the exact command to do a simple task
[05:55] <slougi> johan: ok one second
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: the problem with G is allot of gnu cli stuff begins with G
[05:55] <johan> ok
[05:55] <Druntar> and qparted worked now I just need to get linux to instal
[05:55] <intelikey> johan and grub boots on which ?
[05:55] <mattchewie> as does GTK apps...
[05:55] <Dragnslcr> Linux_Galore- true
[05:55] <hakaisou> is there a way that I can test to see if my Microphone can hear me?
[05:55] <intelikey> johan the ide or the sata/scsi  ?
[05:55] <johan> sata
[05:55] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- heh, welcome to the world of *nix
[05:55] <johan> my linux
[05:56] <johan> the mbr was on ide
[05:56] <Druntar> ok here's the prob I'm on the live cd and when I click install on my desktop it locks up at choose language
[05:56] <intelikey> then it needs to be 0   (assuming you are changing bios to get it to boot that disk
[05:56] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- making graphical interfaces for *nix programs so that non-geeks can use Linux is relatively new
[05:56] <johan> yes
[05:56] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: heh. though I think my biggest pet peev is programs that have guis, but dont put themselves in the K Menu.
[05:56] <Druntar> ok mouse stopped again
[05:56] <slougi> johan: intelikey: that's exactly what i wanted to check
[05:56] <intelikey> yeah you need to switch the 0 and 1
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: well its because how UNIX works, Unix apps in general are built like lego so they have a command line toolset and then someone creates a graphical front end for those things
[05:57] <makuseru> how can i figure out wht harddrive (brand and model) i have?
[05:57] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- yup, that's pretty annoying
[05:57] <slougi> it's been too long since I really fiddled with grub
[05:57] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: really? I don't know C ++yet, but I am learning Java and guis are quite easy. Just didn't think it was that hard, thats all.
[05:57] <slougi> johan: so switch the two arguments around
[05:57] <johan> how?
[05:57] <intelikey> yeah i'd use lilo for that.   doesn't care so much about bios just real phisical addressing.
[05:57] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: especially when you install a bunch of things, then forget about what you installed
[05:58] <slougi> intelikey: you need to use a text editor to edit the file, nano for example
[05:58] <slougi> whoops
[05:58] <slougi> johan: you need to use a text editor to edit the file, nano for example
[05:58] <intelikey> :)
[05:58] <intelikey> yeah
[05:58] <slougi> intelikey: sorry :)
[05:58] <johan> ok edit what file
[05:58] <mattchewie> makuseru - alt+f2, type in konsole and at the prompt type in lspci
[05:58] <johan> device.map?
[05:58] <slougi> johan: yes
[05:58] <johan> i can use pico
[05:58] <makuseru> mattchewie: thanks
[05:58] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- simple GUI's for simple CLI programs are pretty easy to make, it's just that nobody has bothered for a lot of them
[05:59] <slougi> johan: if it is installed use pico. if not, use nano. it is _exactly_ like pico.
[05:59] <intelikey> it's a symlink to nano
[05:59] <johan> so what should i change?
[05:59] <mattchewie> makuseru - bah nevermind, I was thinking of how to get the chipset for you HD :( DOH!
[05:59] <slougi> intelikey: ah wasn't aware of that
[05:59] <Dragnslcr> I love nano
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> one*
[06:00] <Dragnslcr> So much easier to deal with than vi and emacs
[06:00] <slougi> johan: switch the 1 (one) and 0 (zero) in the hd0 and hd1 entries
[06:00] <intelikey> (hd0) /dev/hdc  \n (hd1) /dev/sda  >  (hd1) /dev/hdc  \n (hd0) /dev/sda
[06:00] <johan> ok
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: also has less features than both emacs and vim
[06:00] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: ah. ok. well, when I program, I pretty much go with the "must assume user will be complete idiot" way of thought. So even if the program does not have a gui, I try to make it easy to understand.
[06:00] <johan> then save?
[06:01] <slougi> johan: yes
[06:01] <makuseru> how can i figure out wht harddrive (brand and model) i have?
[06:01] <Dragnslcr> One of my professors in college talked about the religious wars between vi and emacs. I'd just sit in the back and think about how much I hated them both
[06:01] <johan> done
[06:01] <intelikey> Alonea good practice.   never under estimate the stupidity of an end user
[06:02] <slougi> intelikey: i am not sure if grub needs to reinstalled, do you know?
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: nano is fine until you want to debug a file and it cant highlight any errors when both vim and emacs can
[06:02] <intelikey> slougi no it doesn't
[06:02] <slougi> that's what I was thinking, thanks
[06:02] <slougi> johan: just unmount the partitions and reboot
[06:02] <johan> umount temp?
[06:02] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: but I think what really frustrates me the most is terminal programs that I really don't understand, and then documentation does not exist. I dont care if the program is a simple calculator program. I want documentation.
[06:02] <intelikey> did you check his fstab ?
[06:02] <Dragnslcr> Linux_Galore- which is why I try to not deal with code in a shell
[06:03] <slougi> intelikey: ah right
[06:03] <intelikey> johan wait
[06:03] <slougi> johan: sec
[06:03] <slougi> i really need to leave, sorry
[06:03] <johan> ok
[06:03] <intelikey> slougi go.
[06:03] <slougi> thanks
[06:03] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: and a lot of times the program -? doesn't help as much as I would like
[06:03] <johan> thanks slougi
[06:03] <slougi> np johan
[06:03] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- yeah, documentation can be scarce for some stuff. Definitely makes things a lot more difficult
[06:03] <intelikey> johan cat temp/etc/fstab
[06:03] <hakaisou> what is the CLI command to change which sound card you broadcast through?
[06:04] <Alonea> intelikey: indeed. I am a user myself and can miss something that is really simple to someone else
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: ide's are ok but most "new code" even at Microsoft isnt created in an IDE, (actually Microsoft uses emacs)
[06:04] <Dragnslcr> That's why you have to be brave. I try not to worry about completely hosing my system
[06:04] <intelikey> johan are they  /dev/hd*    or  blkid  ?
[06:04] <johan> # Entry for /dev/sda2 :
[06:04] <johan> UUID=0886ace5-a458-4d5c-9e5f-44e496e697d7 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[06:04] <intelikey> k that's fine.
[06:04] <johan> # Entry for /dev/hdc1 :
[06:05] <Dragnslcr> Emacs isn't an editor though, it's a flippin' operating system
[06:05] <johan> UUID=3d7d28cd-6583-4b06-a5f2-5e2e08f69f63 none swap sw 0 0
[06:05] <intelikey> yeah you can reboot.
[06:05] <johan> ok
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: ide's are nice but they also create nice "C" average code, and trust me the proff's  can see that your work has been done in a ide from a mile away
[06:05] <johan> so i must not change my fstab?
[06:05] <makuseru> how can i figure out wht harddrive (brand and model) i have?
[06:05] <intelikey> not needed
[06:05] <johan> ok
[06:05] <johan> thanks i'l be right back
[06:06] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: I just find not making documentation is lazy and bad form. I may not always like doing it, but I would rather do it so people can easier understand the program and use it, than have a bunch of people not use it because they don't understand
[06:06] <Dragnslcr> Er, my code doesn't look any different just because I use an IDE to write it
[06:06] <hakaisou> what is the CLI command to change which sound card you broadcast through?
[06:06] <Dragnslcr> Text is still text
[06:06] <intelikey> makuseru lshw
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: modern IDE make you confrom to a method often this method is stupid considering the projects aims
[06:07] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- won't argue with that. Lucky for me, I've never really released any of my personal projects, so I haven't had to write much documentation for them
[06:07] <johan> just reboot?
[06:07] <johan> dont need to umount?
[06:07] <intelikey> johan you not back yet ?
[06:07] <johan> mo
[06:07] <johan> no
[06:07] <johan> :)
[06:07] <johan> i havent reboot
[06:07] <intelikey> johan the reboot process will umount all devices
[06:07] <johan> ok
[06:07] <johan> thanks
[06:08] <Alonea> Dragnslcr: same here. but my professor wants it, and I find it a good habit. Also on IDEs, I don't find the code any different either...what do you use? I use eclipse.
[06:08] <Dragnslcr> Linux_Galore- I dunno, the IDE's I've used are pretty much just text editors that automatically indent blocks and can autocomplete names
[06:08] <yotux> where are fonts stored in kubuntu?
[06:08] <mattchewie> makuseru - you still around?
[06:08] <Dragnslcr> Alonea- yeah, I write plenty of docs for stuff I do at work
[06:08] <yotux> I install mstruefonts and can't seem to find them
[06:08] <hakaisou> nevermind I figured it out.
[06:08] <makuseru> mattchewie: yea
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: wait till you get your hands on some of the $$$$ IDE's, bloody things write the code for you just about
[06:09] <intelikey> yotux installed it how ?
[06:09] <Dragnslcr> We use Zend IDE at work. I used Visual Studio Express when I did some C# at home
[06:09] <yotux> apt-get install
[06:09] <mattchewie> makuseru - get your answer?
[06:09] <Dragnslcr> Linux_Galore- heh, I'll pass, thanks
[06:09] <yotux> I need to add one more font to debug a wine program
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: VS is very prone to producing rubbish, good for debugging though
[06:10] <intelikey> then either /etc/something/  or /usr/something   but you should have no need to look there.  what are you wanting to do with the fonts ?
[06:10] <makuseru> mattchewie: no
[06:10] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: really? damn..even I am not that lazy. I mean, I am still learning and appreciate it when eclipse points out a forgotten semicolon, and the debugger is nice, but there are even more advanced ides out there like you describe?
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yep
[06:10] <yotux> intelikey:  I want to add one more font to the mstruefonts
[06:11] <intelikey> ah use in wine....     hmmmm
[06:11] <Dragnslcr> It didn't seem too bad. I only used the wysiwyg part for laying out containers and stuff, though. I generally wrote all the functionality parts myself
[06:11] <yotux> intelikey:  I use quicken sorry
[06:11] <mattchewie> makuseru - looks like intelikey did send you the command, but its lshw, unless you know that your drives are sata, then you can cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: Ive spent many an hour cleaning up crap from lazy VS developers
[06:11] <Dragnslcr> I've seen the results of HTML generators though.  Its nice to me because of the debugger, multiple languages, and I can do my documentation in the same program. Don't think I need anything more advanced than that.
[06:13] <yotux> intelikey found them
[06:13] <mattchewie> Anyone run Feisty on an 8800GTS?
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: Im not saying they are total crap, just in the wrong hands they product lots of crap\
[06:13] <mattchewie> or 88 series in genreal :D
[06:13] <Dragnslcr> Rename a method and it finds all places where it's called and changes the name for you
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: emacs does all that
[06:14] <st1ckly78> does anyone know what plugins i need to play aac format in amarok
[06:14] <intelikey> vi mc jed joe emacs all do that
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> Dragnslcr: I can rename all the variables at once and it will even find suspect pointers
[06:15] <hakaisou> !flv
[06:15] <rizza> anyone know about preseeding
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <mattchewie> !nvidia
[06:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:15] <intelikey> rizza very little    but ask anyway
[06:15] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: I can see people doing that. I can also see it taking away the true creative process and most of the actual writing process that comes from the programmer. At least I know now when people go off on IDEs, they mean those types.
[06:16] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: well, that KleanSweep is still going. Over 500mb so far.
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: I use those types of IDE but mainly for debugging, I wont touch the things when it comes to new projects
[06:17] <rizza> does auto work and can I use apt-cacher with ubuntu net install
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yeah, you must have set it to look at the whole system heh
[06:17] <intelikey> as to the las
[06:18] <intelikey> t part yes.     not sure about the other
[06:18] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: yeah. I can see that. oh, probably yes. but I have so much random crap from the 3-4 times I have reinstalled, that a good cleanup is what I need.
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: be carefull with stuff in you users tmp directory, some things are there as page markers
[06:19] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: ok. I will. most of the stuff is from my home folder though.
[06:19] <rizza> I've tried to use apt-cacher with the installer with no luck same preseed file with debian proper and works perfectly
[06:20] <rizza> changed for debian repos of corse
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: I would leave anything in /etc  alone too
[06:20] <intelikey> it seems like the repos addressing is different and that might affect it...
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: unless they were bad links
[06:21] <hakaisou> !DVD
[06:21] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:21] <underdog5004> bleagh, I love skype, but whenever I call someone after I've been using a multimedia player, it locks my machine up for 5 minutes...CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE/CTRL-ALT-F[1|2|3|4]  don't help either...
[06:21] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: I plan on leaving most of the stuff from the root partition alone.
[06:21] <intelikey> you know the stable testing -vs- main universe   the dir structure is not the same.   iirc.
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: well the orphaned links your ok with
[06:22] <intelikey> caution
[06:22] <underdog5004> any ideas? I'm using ALSA on an intel ICH5 soundcard, although I'm using a plantronic usb headset for all skype sounds...
[06:22] <intelikey> that's not always so Linux_Galore
[06:22] <Alonea> underdog5004: even magical sys rq does not work? (assuming your computer locks up and you have to press power button)
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: orphaned links are usually created due to an update not cleaning up properly
[06:22] <soulrider_> !7zip
[06:22] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[06:23] <intelikey> that thing can rm symlinks that are actually still in use
[06:23] <rizza> Very clear on that and think the the ubuntu installer ignores my apt-cache for some reason
[06:23] <Druntar> ok here's my new problem. when I click on the install icon on my desktop on the kububtu live cd it locks the comp up
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: not if you restrict it to orphaned links
[06:23] <Druntar> it locks up on step 1 and won't let me do anything else with the install
[06:23] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: so far, no orphaned files
[06:24] <underdog5004> Alonea, never tried sys rq...I never thought of it...
[06:24] <intelikey> oooh yuch
[06:24] <Alonea> underdog5004: Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring ^_____^
[06:24] <intelikey> Druntar are you sure it's locked ?  not just slow ?
[06:25] <underdog5004> uh... RSEUB?
[06:25] <underdog5004> BUSER?
[06:25] <Druntar> seems locked to me
[06:25] <soulrider_> !iso
[06:25] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[06:25] <Alonea> underdog5004: RSEIUB
[06:25] <Druntar> maybe I'm just being impatient I'll try again
[06:25] <underdog5004> alonea, please explain...
[06:25] <intelikey> Alonea so is fattening jaguars
[06:26] <Alonea> underdog5004: ok, to do a safe reboot with the magical sys you hold down I thin alt + sys rq, then type in those letters.
[06:26] <Alonea> underdog5004: google magical sys and there is a wiki page about it.
[06:26] <Alonea> underdog5004: it will tell you more about it and more commands.
[06:26] <intelikey> e u b
[06:26] <underdog5004> gotcha...thanks.
[06:27] <underdog5004> but...no solution? lol
[06:27] <Alonea> underdog5004: sorry...dont do video chat on here because webcam does not work on here
[06:27] <intelikey> !sysrq
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysrq - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <Druntar> ok well I guess I'm going to go cook some ramen while I wait
[06:28] <underdog5004> Alonea, I'm only interested in voip
[06:28] <intelikey> Druntar shouldn't take but 2 minutes max.
[06:28] <underdog5004> voice, not video
[06:28] <intelikey> Druntar if it's not moving in that time it's hung
[06:29] <underdog5004> anyway, I've gotta go pick someone up...bbl
[06:29] <makuseru> Hi, i recently bought a SATA drive, and the manual says it should get 300mb/s but im only getting 55mb/s, am i doing somthing wrong?
[06:29] <Alonea> underdog5004: oh sorry, thought you were using video cam on skype. a bit silly today.
[06:30] <intelikey> makuseru might tweek the "hdpram" a bit and see what you come up with     check dmesg and see if  DMA is working on it
[06:31] <Druntar> well it's been running since I said I was going to start some ramen
[06:31] <Druntar> so almost 5 mins and still not moving
[06:31] <intelikey> Druntar what kind of specs ?
[06:32] <Druntar> pentium D dual core 3 ghz
[06:32] <Druntar> 1 gig of pc 5700 ram
[06:32] <Druntar> 250gb hd
[06:32] <intelikey> p99 3zillion ghz   yeah... nough.
[06:32] <Druntar> lol
[06:32] <Druntar> I just built it 3 months ago
[06:33] <makuseru> intelikey: the only thing that i saw that said dma in it was [17179577.244000]  eth0: dma_rwctrl[763f0000]  dma_mask[64-bit]
[06:33] <Druntar> wiat
[06:33] <Druntar> it's moving yay
[06:33] <intelikey> it was just a a thought.   low mem problem   but you shot that down.
[06:33] <intelikey> makuseru then turning on dma should help
[06:34] <intelikey> hdparm --help | less
[06:34] <Druntar> guess I just didn't wait long enough
[06:35] <makuseru> intelikey: was that command for me?
[06:35] <intelikey> makuseru heh yeah but drop the pipe it outputs to stderr
[06:35] <makuseru> ok
[06:36] <intelikey> Druntar how long would that be ?
[06:36] <makuseru> intelikey: and what is it i need to do?
[06:36] <Druntar> about 6-8 mins for it to load the language list I'm on step 4 now
[06:37] <Druntar> ok should I select guided use the largest continuous free space?
[06:37] <Druntar> or manual
[06:37] <Druntar> ?
[06:38] <intelikey> makuseru prolly read the man page cause i'm not going to walk you through breaking your new drive   ;/
[06:38] <makuseru> wait? breaking it?
[06:38] <makuseru> why wont it transfer at 300mb/s like it says it will?
[06:39] <toby> how do i put an msn account on this thing???
[06:39] <intelikey> Druntar you mean it takes it longer on a   p99 3zillion ghz 1000T ram   system than it does on my p1 100mhz  ????  </blinks>
[06:40] <Druntar> praying this doesn't break my vista till I get my files off
[06:40] <Druntar> everyone cross your fingers
[06:40] <makuseru> ill cross them that vista breaks
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> no need, vista's broken already
[06:41] <intelikey> makuseru if it was mine.  i'd turn on dma  and see what it did.  but it's yours and i can't afford to buy it if you break it.
[06:41] <Druntar> hey I still need my personal files off that vista install
[06:41] <makuseru> how do i turn on dma?
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> Druntar: do it soon :)
[06:42] <osiris> http://wickedtribe.homeip.net/screenshots/5_5_07.png
[06:42] <intelikey> i think the command may be  hdparm -d  something or another
[06:43] <Daisuke_Ido> and the purpose of that screenshot was?
[06:43] <osiris> im bored
[06:43] <Daisuke_Ido> good reason :)
[06:43] <osiris> staring at my net monitor
[06:43] <intelikey> that's what  ##windows is for osiris
[06:43] <osiris> =)
[06:44] <makuseru> osiris: is that winamp?
[06:44] <osiris> nope
[06:44] <osiris> xmms
[06:44] <makuseru> i use to use that skin when i had winduhs
[06:44] <makuseru> xmms can use winamp akins?
[06:44] <osiris> yep
[06:44] <osiris> old ver 3 ones
[06:44] <makuseru> didnt know
[06:45] <makuseru> oh well, i like amarok over xmms
[06:45] <osiris> to heavy for me
[06:46] <jpiccolo> if i have alot of RX errors, would that cause a slow lan file transfer?
[06:46] <yhsoft12> who is korea user of ubuntu ??
[06:46] <johnt> Hey folks: I am trying to get k3b working.  I'm investigating security implementation on ubuntu 7.04. hows the security features in ubuntu compare to the following distros? http://en.opensuse.org/Security_Features http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features  thanks in advance :)
[06:47] <intelikey> !mpeg
[06:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:47] <joe7d6> Hi. I'm investigating security implementation on ubuntu 7.04. hows the security features in ubuntu compare to the following distros? http://en.opensuse.org/Security_Features http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security/Features  thanks in advance :)
[06:47] <joe7d6> ignore apparmor which i despise :p
[06:47] <yhsoft12> help me, are you linuxer?
[06:48] <osiris> yes, just not korean
[06:48] <Druntar> linuxer?
[06:48] <yhsoft12> ah.....
[06:48] <underdog5004> yay, I'm back...
[06:48] <makuseru> intelikey: i do "hdparm -d " and it just lists the man
[06:48] <intelikey> makuseru man hdparm
[06:48] <intelikey> or ask someone else
[06:49] <yhsoft12> please teach me, install vmware for linux.
[06:49] <yhsoft12> continue, put string error message."
[06:49] <intelikey> yhsoft12  sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[06:49] <yhsoft12> i'm not speak english very well
[06:49] <yhsoft12> ok
[06:49] <dsmith> !ntfs
[06:49] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:50] <dsmith> !ntfs
[06:50] <yhsoft12> i do it
[06:50] <yhsoft12> but
[06:50] <yhsoft12> drror messang
[06:50] <yhsoft12> error
[06:50] <yhsoft12> message
[06:50] <johnt> !k3b-plugins
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k3b-plugins - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:50] <yhsoft12> um..
[06:50] <yhsoft12> c header file
[06:50] <yhsoft12> error..
[06:50] <yhsoft12> incorrect directory
[06:50] <yhsoft12> T _t
[06:50] <underdog5004> johnt, what do you need?
[06:50] <intelikey> o,O
[06:51] <redfive> whats the best way to install beryl?
[06:51] <osiris> yhsoft12, i think you need a -dev package for a lib.  can you paste the error in a paste bin ?
[06:51] <yhsoft12> no, i'm not used beryl
[06:51] <underdog5004> redfive, follow the guide @ www.beryl-project.com
[06:51] <underdog5004> redfive, unless you're using feisty...
[06:51] <yhsoft12> um.. just moment. i'll be back.
[06:51] <osiris> http://rafb.net/paste
[06:51] <underdog5004> I've had _really_ luck w/ feisty and beryl
[06:52] <underdog5004> g'night
[06:52] <johnt> underdog: i want to burn a dvd and I am gettting error msgs fro k3b and if I try to save image to disk totem cannot read mpeg1 file
[06:52] <dsmith> is writing to NTFS suppoted?
[06:52] <Druntar> <twiddles thumbs while waiting>
[06:53] <osiris> johnt, sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 and a few other packages first
[06:53] <johnt> underdog: need to know which plugins or files i need to d/l
[06:53] <Druntar> 60% there......
[06:53] <intelikey> !ntfs > dsmith
[06:54] <johnt> osoris: neat which others do I need?
[06:54] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g > dsmith
[06:54] <dsmith> intelikey I read that
[06:54] <dsmith> I should have said is writing to NTFS safe?
[06:54] <dsmith> comment in Konsole said no
[06:54] <osiris> !restriced formats > johnt
[06:54] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: on duplicated files, does it just put the extra version, or all versions on it?
[06:54] <intelikey> safe as in safe sex   or safe as in money in the bank
[06:54] <dsmith> lol
[06:55] <intelikey> errr bad analagy  neither are safe
[06:55] <osiris> !restricedformats > johnt
[06:55] <dsmith> i got you
[06:55] <yhsoft12> sir ?
[06:55] <dsmith> ok after sudo fdisk -l, I found the drive as sda1
[06:56] <dsmith> installed diskmounted in its visible now in RO
[06:56] <osiris> yes ?
[06:56] <johnt> osiris; the bot did msg me  thanks
[06:56] <dsmith> *diskmounter
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: not sure to be honest
[06:56] <intelikey> you installed ntfs-3g ?
[06:56] <yhsoft12> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernal? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[06:56] <dsmith> yep
[06:56] <osiris> yhsoft12, you need the kernel sources
[06:56] <yhsoft12> okay
[06:56] <dsmith> intelikey: yes
[06:57] <yhsoft12> may be
[06:57] <yhsoft12> kernal source update ?
[06:57] <intelikey> dsmith  mount | gerp dev/sda1
[06:57] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: hmm...I think it does put all versions..which is kind of a bad thing (not that I have removed such files yet or anything)
[06:57] <intelikey> what it says ?
[06:57] <dsmith> hahah gerp
[06:57] <intelikey> well untypo that
[06:57] <yhsoft12> intelikey
[06:58] <yhsoft12> um..
[06:58] <dsmith>     /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000,user=dsmith)
[06:58] <dsmith> its working
[06:58] <yhsoft12> i execute that line
[06:58] <yhsoft12> notthing put screen
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: if you not sure uncheck it
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> you are*
[06:59] <intelikey> ok looks like you need to umount it and edit the /etc/fstab    type should be  ntfs-3g
[06:59] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: i know, but its a bit of a pain when there are over 3000 duplicated files.
[06:59] <yhsoft12> now umount?
[06:59] <dsmith> i am not concerned about it being read/write
[07:00] <dsmith> I prefer not farking my box
[07:00] <intelikey> yhsoft12 sorry that was for dsmith
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: just stick to the ones in your home directory
[07:00] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: these are the ones in my home directory. I redid it just for the /home/
[07:01] <dsmith> I suppose I could get another usb drive and format as ext3
[07:01] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: @@
[07:01] <axident> Anyone able to help me with a dual boot issue?
[07:01] <yhsoft12> hu...... linux is very hard for beginners.. i'm 15 years old.
[07:01] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: there will be allot of duplication in the .kde and .gnome  directories because they are theme or icons files so they all have the same name
[07:01] <Alonea> axident: depends. what is going on?
[07:02] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: ok. anyway I can have those folders ignored?
[07:02] <intelikey> yhsoft12 yes  /usr/src/linux/include  should be right.    you may need to install  linux-headers-<your kernel arch>
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yep just uncheck them or look or just set the filter options to ingore duplicates
[07:02] <yhsoft12> um... just moment
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> oops
[07:03] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: well, part of the problem is on the duplicated files, it is NOT saying where the files are located.
[07:03] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yep, just uncheck them or set the filter options to ignore duplicate
[07:03] <intelikey> dsmith setting up the fstab correctly will make it automount with read/write access and the dmask= fmask= will give your users access
[07:04] <dsmith> intelikey: I was reading about that but it seems perhaps risky
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: you should be able to query each one
[07:04] <dsmith> I will read about it some more
[07:04] <intelikey> dsmith yeah that's why i mentioned the "what kind of safe" thing
[07:05] <dsmith> heh
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: if they are under .gnome or .kde ignore them
[07:05] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: I can have it open directory, and thats it, but doing open directory on over 3000 objects isn't practical
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: they are intentional duplicated
[07:05] <miguel> hi, i am from chile
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> duplicates*
[07:05] <miguel> i need help
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: then add .kde and .gnome to the filter to be ignored
[07:05] <intelikey> well welcome to cyber space miguel
[07:06] <yhsoft12> * intelikey *
[07:06] <yhsoft12> um..
[07:06] <yhsoft12> linux-headers-2.6.20-15 right?
[07:06] <killermach_> ok.. I installed kubuntu-beryl how do I "enable" it?
[07:06] <intelikey> looks good to me.     uname -a    will tell you what you are running.
[07:07] <intelikey> !beryl | killermach_
[07:07] <ubotu> killermach_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:07] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: ok. got it. lets try again!
[07:07] <Druntar> wow the install is taking it's sweet time
[07:07] <yhsoft12> linux ubuntu 2.6.20-15-server #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:41:34 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:07] <intelikey> Druntar i'm serious my p1 box installed in less time.
[07:08] <killermach_> yes yes.. I was told that earlier.. then why is there a package for it? and why in gnome you click System->Preferences->Desktop Effects?
[07:08] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: ok this is weird. It wasn't showing where the files were before on the duplicated files list, but now it is...
[07:08] <intelikey> yhsoft12 then yes it is  2.6.20-15
[07:08] <yhsoft12> okay
[07:08] <kane_> anyone know if its possible to access a MSSQL db with a linux clinet?
[07:09] <intelikey> kane_ should be.  but that's not in my spheer of knowledge
[07:09] <yhsoft12> * intelikey * i now well follow you ?
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yeah, you must have the libmindreader.so.1  plugin installed
[07:09] <axident> anyone willing to help me sort out a dual boot issue? If so please message me.
[07:10] <yhsoft12> um...
[07:11] <soulrider_> axident: whats the issue ?
[07:11] <intelikey> axident just concisely describe the issue and the facts surrounding it.
[07:11] <Linux_Galore> kane_: always check on www.freshmeat.net
[07:11] <Alonea> Linux_Galore: *shrugs* ok, another to add to list is  ie4linux...daaaayam there are duplicates alllll over the place on that thing
[07:11] <kane_> hrm, thanks i'll look around there.
[07:11] <soulrider_> who the hell wants IE? and whot he hell wants it on linux!
[07:11] <BellaireLinuxN3r> there's ie for linux?
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: yeah, usuall MS bloat
[07:12] <soulrider_> emulates most likely
[07:12] <soulrider_> ok, im going to bed
[07:12] <soulrider_> bye bye!
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> BellaireLinuxN3r: its an applications that installs IE in Linux
[07:12] <BellaireLinuxN3r> oh
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> ugh...
[07:12] <axident>  1 harddrive and it's partitioned...
[07:12] <axident>   1 partition had XP and the other was a storage.... then vista came out, I installed vista on my storage partition... now i only use vista and decided i would install ubuntu on my XP partition... read some things and configured grub the way i was told, but now I get NTLDR is missing when trying to boot to Vista... I know that Grub goofed the vista bootloader but dunno how to fix it without wiping out grub
[07:12] <Alonea> soulrider_: I had it for a webpage for my class that wasn't working with firefox....though it works now
[07:13] <Alonea> axident: ok, I did the EXACT same thing too
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> Alonea: most webdevs who work from Linux install IE just in case
[07:13] <yhsoft12> * intelikey * Thanks for your help.
[07:13] <Snowman> hiya folks, anyone have any experience with the knetworkmanager under feisty?
[07:13] <axident> here's the problem though... i don't have a floppy drive to make a boot disk to boot back into ubuntu after doing a startup repair on Vista using the Vista CD
[07:13] <intelikey> yhsoft12 welcome.
[07:14] <Alonea> axident: and it did not goof the vista boot. What is happening is Vista is looking for XP and not finding it.
[07:14] <Druntar> ok it's been sitting on 64% forever
[07:14] <Snowman> having a bit of a problem getting it to list and connect to wireless LAN's, although the manual config worked.  The manual config however didn't actually do anything other than connect to my router and now I have no list of LAN's...
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> axident: you use the Vista cd and recover the mbr
[07:14] <axident> ah... that would make sense...
[07:14] <Alonea> axident: and I tried doing the repair function for vista on the vista dvd, and it did n
[07:14] <BellaireLinuxN3r> axident: your probably need to restore NTLDR then overwrite it with grub
[07:14] <Alonea> axident: did not work for me. you can try though.