[05:46] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  and others
[06:07] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:13] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[07:20] <Kilos> morning Tonberry
[07:21] <Tonberry> hi
[07:23] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos , all
[07:24]  * Kilos thinks all has gone to church
[07:29] <nlsthzn> oh yes, sunday today... monday for me :/
[07:29] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[07:29] <Kilos> ai!
[07:32] <Kilos> nlsthzn  what is the fridge thing in ubuntu?
[07:33] <nlsthzn> place of news
[07:33] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:34] <nlsthzn> like a fridge where you stick all the papers and stuff to do with school and from the "newspapers" etc
[07:34] <Kilos> ahaaa
[07:34] <nlsthzn> Kilos, http://fridge.ubuntu.com//about/
[07:34] <nlsthzn> a better explanation :p
[07:34] <Kilos> why is no oneapplying for the membership board
[07:35] <Kilos> they also seem to have got too busy like everywhere else
[07:35] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , look how afraid you where to apply for membership
[07:36] <nlsthzn> I think this is a order of magnitude more intimidating
[07:36] <Kilos> hahaha im thinking of going for it
[07:36] <nlsthzn> I for one don't feel qualified to even think about it
[07:36] <Kilos> we cant let that collapse as well
[07:36] <nlsthzn> go for it uncle Kilos ... but take note your short time being a member will count against you
[07:36] <nlsthzn> it won't collapse :)
[07:37] <nlsthzn> they have nominations, they would simply like more
[07:37] <Kilos> im definitely not qualified but one crumb is better than nothing
[07:37] <nlsthzn> to be more democratic about it I guess
[07:37] <Kilos> oh thats good then
[07:38] <nlsthzn> but if you like go for it... will show your willing and bring you to some peeps attention... if you don't get it this time then next time should be much easier :)
[07:38] <Kilos> ive noticed that noobs go to locoteams for help but no one helps them
[07:38] <nlsthzn> I do believe you are qualified for this... you understand people and you are passionate about Ubuntu etc...
[07:38] <Kilos> oh
[07:39] <nlsthzn> strong locoteams can help the local people... weak ones don't / can't
[07:40] <Kilos> im talking about #ubuntu-locoteams
[07:40] <Kilos> they like here they first leave me to mess up
[07:40] <Kilos> but here at least someone jumps in
[07:43] <nlsthzn> I don't think that that channel is for support to be honest
[07:44] <nlsthzn> people should be directed to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners
[07:44] <nlsthzn> there are more people geared towards helping via IRC there
[07:44] <Kilos> ya but ive seen in the africa locos they give that link for where to go for help
[07:44] <Kilos> something wrong somewhere
[07:45] <Kilos> ah ill try remember #ubuntu-beginners
[07:45] <Kilos> i wondered why no one helped
[07:45] <nlsthzn> from #ubuntu-locoteams header -  Software support in #ubuntu #xubuntu #kubuntu #lubuntu #ubuntu-gnome #edubuntu #ubuntustudio
[07:46] <nlsthzn> that channel is for issues with loco related things
[07:46] <nlsthzn> not ubuntu supprot
[07:46] <Kilos> aha
[07:46] <nlsthzn> support
[07:46] <Kilos> ty for that
[08:02] <nlsthzn> np :)
[08:03] <Kilos> haha you went there too
[08:06] <nlsthzn> had to have a look :p
[08:06] <Kilos> haha
[08:29] <Kilos> bad news this many channels open
[08:29] <nlsthzn> lol
[08:29] <Kilos> not funny man sjoe
[08:32] <nlsthzn> just need to learn to focus... or just close some channels... can
[08:32] <nlsthzn> can't be in all of em :p
[08:32] <Kilos> lol
[08:32] <Kilos> focus mean sthinking and thats bad for the brain
[08:51] <Mopkop> Good morning all!
[08:52] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[09:14] <Kilos> hi lin_
[09:17] <danfowle1> Kilos: I know, right?
[09:17] <danfowle1> silent, but deadly
[09:18] <danfowle1> wait remove that last part
[09:18] <Kilos> you must chat with us sometimes danfowle1
[09:18] <Kilos> hehe we a friendly channel
[09:25] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:25] <Symmetria> I think I am way 2 good at pissing people off
[09:25] <Kilos> lol
[09:25] <Symmetria> some guy was threatening me
[09:25] <Symmetria> so I replied:  You are in my mind, nothing more than an annoyance, and remind me of a mosquito that buzzes around in a non-maleria area, very irritating, and can make you itch, but really, pretty harmless.
[09:26] <Symmetria> :P he went ballistic when he saw that
[09:51] <Mopkop> I think I broke thunderbird.
[09:51] <Kilos> wb Mopkop  wat maak jy
[09:51] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <Kilos> haha you are better than me at breaking things seems like
[09:52] <Mopkop> Trying to fix it, but according to Google it is an official bug.
[09:52] <Mopkop> Yea, seems that way.
[09:52] <Kilos> the make a bug report or go tell them how you fix it
[09:53] <Kilos> i dont like or use thunderbird at all
[09:53] <Mopkop> What do you use then?
[09:53] <Kilos> for email i use evolution on pop
[09:54] <Kilos> peeps say im old fashioned, but it works for me and has a great built in backup tool
[09:55] <Mopkop> I don't like pop. Thought of using Geary, but it is still underdeveloped.
[09:55] <Mopkop> Very fast and neat though.
[09:55] <Kilos> you can use evo on that other thing too
[09:55] <Kilos> there are some others some of the guys use
[09:56] <Mopkop> You mean IMAP?
[09:56] <Kilos> imap its called i think , but for me pop only fetches recent mail so that why i use it
[09:56] <Kilos> haha
[09:57] <Mopkop> I just delete old mails, so IMAP works fine for me :) I use my inbox as a to-do list. :)
[09:57] <Kilos> with pop i can use different pcs and not download  everything every time
[09:57] <Kilos> i have tons of mails all at gmail
[09:58] <Kilos> will take a week to delete them
[09:58] <Mopkop> You're going to break gmail with all that mail!
[09:58] <Kilos> lol
[09:58] <Kilos> they offer free space so they mustnt complain if i use it
[10:06] <Mopkop> It'll make your life much easier if you have a tidy inbox :)
[10:07] <Kilos> my inbox is lekker, i only keep mails i might use again
[10:07] <Kilos> need again
[10:14] <Mopkop> Ever heard about the Collyer brothers? They died in their own house because the could not find the door, because they were hoarders.
[10:14] <Mopkop> You're going to drown in all that mail.
[10:15] <Kilos> lol its not here by me man its in the sky
[10:16] <Mopkop> Causing air pollution, no doubt. Global warming is on you then.
[10:16] <Mopkop> :)
[10:20] <Kilos> lol
[10:20] <Kilos> i got eat now
[10:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:46] <Kilos> lekka duk nou
[10:55] <Mopkop> Lekker slaap!
[10:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:48] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:02] <Mopkop> I fixed thunderbird!
[12:02] <Mopkop> Yay!
[12:02] <Mopkop> Ant it took me only 4 hours :)
[12:02] <Maaz> Mopkop: Excuse me?
[12:03] <Kilos> lol
[12:06] <Kilos> well done
[12:06] <Kilos> now go to the bug and teach them how to fix it
[14:00] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[14:00] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[14:32] <Kilos> afternoon superfly
[14:45] <Kilos> ai!
[15:23] <stickyboy> No ai!
[16:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:49] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[16:49] <kulelu88> Hello oom.
[17:22] <inetpro> good evening
[17:22] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:22] <inetpro> Kilos: what must I fix again?
[17:22] <Kilos> um
[17:22] <inetpro> 03/15 08:13:52 <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[17:22] <Kilos> oh ya my head
[17:23] <inetpro> ai!
[17:23] <Kilos> i added a thing in trello but dunno if i should
[17:24] <Kilos> would need lots more input
[17:25] <Kilos> tempted though
[17:27] <inetpro> no need to rush into it
[17:28] <Kilos> lol fools rush in where angels fear to tread
[17:28] <Kilos> its either before the end of this month or in 2 years time
[17:28] <inetpro> surely you can take part as a non-member as if you're a member
[17:29] <inetpro> only your vote doesn't count
[17:29] <Kilos> the mails from them said peeps are retiring or expiring so they need replacements
[17:30] <Kilos> they extended it by 2 weeks because of poor showing
[17:30] <inetpro> that's normal business as usual
[17:31] <Kilos> so they dont need more peeps?
[17:31] <Kilos> ai!
[17:31] <inetpro> talk to them man
[17:31]  * inetpro don't have all the answers
[17:31] <Kilos> i dont know who to talk to
[17:32] <Kilos> it would mean more hours awake for me though
[17:32] <inetpro> in that case you can forget it
[17:32] <Kilos> ok
[17:33] <inetpro> start by getting to know the people involved and find out from them what it entails
[17:33] <inetpro> not from us
[17:33] <Kilos> its mainly those 2 meetings
[17:33] <Kilos> lunch time and mid night
[17:34] <Kilos> maybe ill mail that chick that sends out the mails
[17:34] <Kilos> one cant leave everything hoping someone else will jump in
[18:30] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[18:32] <magellanic> heya
[19:09] <gremble> o/
[19:09] <Kilos> gremble  wb
[19:10] <gremble> How are you Kilos
[19:10] <Kilos> im good ty lad and you?
[19:11] <gremble> I am well thank you
[19:11] <gremble> Just too lazy to work now
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <Kilos> so only when you too lazy to work you come here?
[19:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:14] <magellanic> I do too, but then Kilos tries to out work to me...
[19:14] <magellanic> dish out*
[19:14] <gremble> Pretty much Kilos
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <gremble> Because when I'm not lazy, I work, then I cannot be here :P
[19:15] <Kilos> that all part of the game
[19:17] <gremble> I'm trying to make a simple game of life simulator, but I am unsure of how to randomly populate a block one unit away from an already populated block
[19:22] <magellanic> shouldn't be random though? block lives based on its neighbouring blocks or something?
[19:23] <gremble> Ah. That is a much simpler way to implement it. Thanks
[19:23] <gremble> Haha
[19:23] <gremble> I was going to spawn it from a living one
[19:23] <gremble> not to a living one
[19:23] <gremble> :P
[19:23] <magellanic> I think rules are that initial states are random
[19:24] <magellanic> and then there are rules around block survival/death based on neighbours
[19:24] <gremble> Yup
[19:24]  * superfly stumbles in
[19:24] <gremble> My idea was to scan the blocks until a find a living one, then randomly populate a block around it
[19:24] <Kilos> aw my flr wassup
[19:24] <magellanic> heya superfly
[19:25] <Kilos> fly as well
[19:25] <gremble> But it makes more sense to populate a block based on whether there is a living one close to it
[19:25] <gremble> Hey superfly
[19:26] <magellanic> you mean for game state changes?
[19:26] <gremble> For the single cell, yes
[19:26] <magellanic> I think you'd have to do it for each block, if 3 or more living neighbours, that one lives, etc
[19:27] <gremble> Yup
[19:27] <gremble> That is what I agreed with you initially
[19:27] <magellanic> which language are you doing it in? using double arrays or such?
[19:27] <gremble> C++
[19:28] <gremble> Yes, using a multidimensional array
[19:28] <gremble> I am thinking about making it a multidimensional game :P
[19:28] <magellanic> good luck
[19:29] <gremble> Thanks. I wanted to do it in brainfuck, but then I considered becoming a herion bum instead
[19:30] <magellanic> well c++ is as worse as they come, so... ;)
[19:31] <gremble> Psh
[19:31] <gremble> Its nice
[19:36] <superfly> magellanic: come do it in C on our microcontroller, then you'll gain an appreciation for C++
[19:36] <magellanic> haha
[19:36] <gremble> I cannot wait to do C on a microcontroller :D
[19:37] <magellanic> okay point taken
[19:37] <superfly> I've always thought that the people who dis C++ have never really used it themselves, and they've also never programmed in C :-P
[19:38] <gremble> I've never really understood why people dislike it so much
[19:38] <gremble> It is my language of choice
[19:38]  * gremble shrugs
[19:41] <superfly> gremble: my language of choice is Python, but C++ is my second.
[19:42] <gremble> I like python, but I'm terrified of the 2.7-3.4 disparity
[19:43] <gremble> I would just want to work with 3.4 and never look back... But I am fairly sure that I cannot
[19:43] <gremble> haha
[19:43] <superfly> gremble: it's hardly a disparity
[19:43] <gremble> I think disparity is the incorrect word. My lexicon is broken
[19:43] <superfly> gremble: people make it sound far worse than it is
[19:45] <gremble> Hmm. Well, that doesn't really matter. I prefer it for scientific computing over matlab/mathematica/maple/magma/whatever
[19:45] <gremble> So I will use it anyway
[19:45] <gremble> haha
[19:45] <superfly> I have codebases in both, and the biggest difference is remembering to drop the "u" for unicode ;-)
[19:45] <superfly> ah yes
[19:45] <superfly> I've heard "horror" stories of matlab
[19:45] <gremble> That and Julia, but I still want to play more with julia
[19:46] <gremble> Engineers are addicted to matlab and that will get me a job one day ;)
[19:46] <superfly> gremble: where are you based, and what do you do?
[19:46] <gremble> Pretoria, Applied Mathematics
[19:46] <gremble> Probably specialise in EE
[19:46] <gremble> Electrical Engineering
[19:46] <superfly> Yep, I got that ;-)
[19:47] <gremble> Information Theory
[19:47] <superfly> when are you finishing up?
[19:47] <gremble> 2016 I finish my bachelors, but I would like to do honours+
[19:49] <superfly> oh dear
[19:49] <Kilos> wb gremble
[19:50] <gremble> Thank you. Irssi was connecting like a crazy person
[20:17] <kulelu88> only the truly gifted do honours in mathematics :D
[20:17] <Kilos> lol
[20:18] <gremble> :P
[20:18] <kulelu88> gremble: if you like the power of C++ with the beauty of Python, you should try writing code in Nim
[20:18] <gremble> I've looked at Nim, I may play around in future
[20:18] <kulelu88> although I've given up writing Nim for now
[20:18] <gremble> For now though I am going to hit the sack
[20:18] <gremble> cheers
[20:18] <kulelu88> tc
[20:18] <Kilos> night gremble
[21:02] <Squirm> evening
[21:02] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[21:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:15] <Squirm> Off myself


[02:25] <nodoubleg> jrwren: anything with a fixed number of inodes is a bad way to go for large numbers of files/directories.
[02:25] <nodoubleg> jrwren: ZFS is pretty good in that kind of a scenario, I used to admin several large ZFS-based filers that had horrendous workloads.
[02:27] <nodoubleg> jrwren: when dealing with large numbers of files (I'm counting this as thousands of files and directories nested in thousands of directories), I think it's really useful to be using storage that lets you deal with it at a block level. ZFS and btrfs both have block-level send and receive which greatly simplify backups
[02:28] <nodoubleg> ZFS is gaining resumable sends/receives sometime this summer.
[02:28] <nodoubleg> btrfs is ok, but I wouldn't trust it to large production datasets.
[02:29] <nodoubleg> but i'd use btrfs before I used xfs.
[02:29] <nodoubleg> the fastest thing out there is still probably ext4, but there's so many other problems I see with ext4 that I gladly trade the performance for the things that something like ZFS gets me.
[04:03] <jrwren> nodoubleg: i have a btrfs with man files too and its worse than ext4, what am i doing wrong?
[15:26] <nodoubleg> jrwren: a COW filesystem could end up having problems if it's only on spinning rust.
[15:30] <nodoubleg> filesystems like ZFS and btrfs have more overhead than older FSes. Ceph takes this even further. Rebuilds in ceph are very network and CPU-intensive, much more than ZFS and btrfs.
[15:51] <jrwren> nodoubleg: yup. i think i may try ext2
[15:51] <nodoubleg> if performance is the only concern, then I'd actually recommend ext4.
[15:51] <nodoubleg> and by "the only concern" i mean you don't care about the data :-P
[15:52] <jrwren> bwaha
[15:52] <jrwren> i've never lost data on ext[234]
[15:52] <nodoubleg> that you know of.
[15:52]  * nodoubleg won't trust a filesystem that doesn't checksum the data.
[15:53] <nodoubleg> bcachefs looks promising.
[15:53] <jrwren> jcastro was using that.
[15:53] <jrwren> but its not really an fs, is it?
[15:57] <nodoubleg> the developer of bcachefs realized he was basically making a whole new filesystem, so started work on completing that. it's up as an alpha.
[15:57] <nodoubleg> jrwren: do you have an SSD handy?
[15:58] <nodoubleg> and, is your workload synchronous or async? read or write heavy?
[15:59] <nodoubleg> it sounds like you might need to throw an SSD at the problem. Either using an SSD with bcache, or using it as part of a zpool with ZFS.
[16:00] <nodoubleg> the filers I ran, 90% of their read IOs were served from memory or the read cache ssd (l2arc)
[16:02] <nodoubleg> i've used zfs on linux to help absorb some of the brutal read io that gitlab can do. This was in a VM that was backed by a massively oversubscribed NetApp filer. Writes were still slow, but git clones on common repos were speedy.
[20:01] <dzho> well, given this is an ubuntu channel ...
[20:01] <dzho> d'oh
[20:01] <dzho> caught in backscroll again
[20:01] <dzho> nm


[06:50] <rugby471> mac_v: do you want me to swap the ipod icon out in the branding?
[06:56] <mac_v> rugby471: BTW where is that icon? i dont think it is there in the theme
[06:57] <mac_v> rugby471: or are you confusing with elementary?
[06:57] <rugby471> mac_v: nope, devices/24/multimedia-player-icon.svg
[06:58] <mac_v> rugby471: didnt notice that before... hm.. i'l be replacing that shortly ;)
[06:59] <rugby471> mac_v: why is that?
[06:59] <mac_v> also there are more colorful icons
[06:59] <mac_v> rugby471: we surely can be having the multimedia player using an ipod
[06:59] <mac_v> con not*
[07:00] <rugby471> mac_v: I have replaced the ipod with a floppy disk, can you upload?
[07:01] <mac_v> rugby471: atm , branding is low priority, we are adding more icons  , so maybe not before RC
[07:01] <rugby471> mac_v: just for launchpad :-)
[07:01] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[07:02] <mac_v> rugby471: also since we are adding more icons , there might be things to change.. so branding can be done only after that :)
[07:02] <rugby471> mac_v: atm I am working on the execute actio icon for 24x24 the reason being my text editor needs it otherwise the tollbar goes all jumpy :-)
[07:02] <rugby471> mac_v: ok
[07:03] <mac_v> rugby471: which icon is that?
[07:03] <rugby471> the one with the three gears
[07:04] <mac_v> rugby471: already i'v done it ;)
[07:04] <rugby471> mac_v: for 24x24?
[07:04] <mac_v> rugby471: yup
[07:04] <rugby471> mac_v: damn you :-)
[07:05] <rugby471> mac_v: when did you do it? what rev?
[07:06] <mac_v> rugby471: not pushed yet
[07:06] <rugby471> mac_v: ah :-)
[07:06] <rugby471> mac_v: is it ready, if so could you push, the toolbar thing is really annoying :-)
[07:06] <mac_v> rugby471: doing some more icons to push at the same time... usually i push the fixes immediately
[07:07] <mac_v> rugby471: there is scalable icon , does that not work?
[07:07] <mac_v> i think it needs symlinks
[07:07] <rugby471> mac_v: for some reason no, geany (the application) uses a larger icon
[07:07] <mac_v> i'll have to check symlinks
[07:08] <mac_v> rugby471: isnt the label gnome-run
[07:08] <rugby471> mac_v: aren't you using the icon-naming-utils?
[07:08] <rugby471> mac_v: yep
[07:09] <rugby471> mac_v: here is a video of the behaviour http://videobin.org/v/j/jg.ogg
[07:11] <mac_v> rugby471: oh , thats bad :/ will be pushing by today , with a couple of other icons ;)
[07:11] <rugby471> mac_v: cool
[07:15] <mac_v> rugby471: you are on karmic right?
[07:15] <rugby471> mac_v: nope still jaunty :-)
[07:15] <rugby471> mac_v: I have a karmic VM
[07:15] <mac_v> aw :(
[07:15] <mac_v> ;p
[07:16] <rugby471> why?
[07:16] <rugby471> hehe
[07:16]  * Amaranth does a little dance
[07:16] <Amaranth> compiz down to 390 bugs
[07:16] <rugby471> woo
[07:16] <mac_v> hehe , i lost my high color folder... so was wondering if i could copy from you ;)
[07:16] <Amaranth> I've look at at least half of them this week
[07:16] <Amaranth> (that's 100 less than a week ago)
[07:16] <rugby471> hehe, whats in it for me ...
[07:16] <rugby471> :p
[07:17] <rugby471> mac_v: ^
[07:17] <mac_v> rugby471: nothing ;p
[07:17] <mac_v> Amaranth: hei, you are on Karmic ?
[07:17] <Amaranth> mac_v: tar running already
[07:17] <rugby471> mac_v: .. you drive a hard bargain..
[07:17] <mac_v> ;)
[07:18] <Amaranth> wow 30M
[07:18] <mac_v> argh! , i tried reisntallin some of the apps to recover the icons and every time the settings get over written :/ or keeps prompting
[07:19] <Amaranth> uploading, going to take some time
[07:19] <mac_v> 30M for hicolor.. o.0
[07:19] <mac_v> Amaranth: sure no probs... thanks :)
[07:19] <Amaranth> I'm pretty sure scp means 50 seconds and not 50 minutes
[07:19] <Amaranth> oops, 2 minutes and rising
[07:24] <mac_v> rugby471: lol! even human uses ipod!
[07:24] <mac_v> :/
[07:25] <rugby471> mac_v: no, it is a generic music player :-)
[07:25] <mac_v> ;p
[07:25] <mac_v> rugby471: check out the gnome one.. that is generic ;)
[07:26] <mac_v> rugby471: the human is a symlink to the icon labeled ipod ... so it is an ipod
[07:26] <rugby471> mac_v: hehe I was only joking
[07:36] <Amaranth> mac_v: sorry, forgot I was uploading
[07:36] <Amaranth> mac_v: http://www.realistanew.com/random/hicolor.tar.bz2
[07:37] <mac_v> Amaranth: thanks :)
[07:44] <Amaranth> omg, expire_bugs.py
[07:44] <Amaranth> I was about to do that manually :/
[07:46] <Amaranth> wow, we had a bug in there Incomplete for a year
[07:46] <Amaranth> :/
[07:47] <Amaranth> whoa, this thing is closing a lot of bugs...
[07:53] <Amaranth> haha, just hit my goal for compiz bugs
[07:53] <Amaranth> Even after I changed the goal to make it harder
[07:53] <Amaranth> I passed the original goal and the new goal in the same day even
[07:55]  * rugby471 thinks whatever Amaranth just said sounded really awesome
[07:55] <rugby471> :-)
[07:56] <Amaranth> hehe
[07:56] <Amaranth> rugby471: I ran a script that automatically closed bugs people haven't answered on in 30 days
[07:56] <Amaranth> rugby471: It closed 40 bugs
[07:57] <rugby471> Amaranth: wow, I though incomplete bugs were meant to expire anyway
[07:57] <Amaranth> rugby471: Apparently it doesn't work
[07:58] <Amaranth> Anyway, I have a new goal for compiz bugs for karmic: 250
[07:58] <rugby471> Amaranth: hmmm, when were they filed?
[07:58] <rugby471> Amaranth: cool
[07:58] <Amaranth> rugby471: anywhere from 2 months ago to 2 years ago
[07:59] <rugby471> Amaranth: wow, maybe launchpad pre 2.0 didn't expire them ?
[07:59] <mac_v> Amaranth: isnt the time limit for unanswered bugs 2 months ;)
[07:59] <Amaranth> mac_v: apparently the bug squad uses 30 days instead
[08:00] <mac_v> sweet
[08:00] <mac_v> rugby471: ah! the execute is missing a symlink
[08:00] <rugby471> mac_v: ah there we go
[08:00] <Amaranth> hmm
[08:00] <mac_v> rugby471: try this , add a symlink from gnome-run to gtk-execute
[08:00] <rugby471> mac_v: why is it you aren't using icon naming-utils?
[08:00]  * Amaranth thinks this script is broken
[08:00] <rugby471> mac_v: k
[08:00] <Amaranth> It closed bugs there were old but not based on how long they were Incomplete but how long they were open
[08:00]  * mac_v never figured out how to use icon-naming-utils :(
[08:01] <Amaranth> oh well, if people answer the question they can open them again :P
[08:01] <Amaranth> err, wait, no, it did the right thing
[08:01] <rugby471> mac_v: it is really simple (well pretty much) I can set you up with a script I created for breathe icon set
[08:01] <Amaranth> duh, we're in september now
[08:02] <mac_v> rugby471: its more ,  i never tried it yet ;)
[08:02] <rugby471> mac_v: sorry?
[08:02] <mac_v> rugby471: also another symlink to system-run
[08:02] <rugby471> mac_v: ok
[08:02] <mac_v> i have tried the utils
[08:02] <mac_v> have not*
[08:03] <rugby471> mac_v: you should, basically there is a database of all the icon names and you can get it to symlink your files for you
[08:03] <mac_v> rugby471: i'm at present using the icon-library
[08:03] <rugby471> mac_v: ah maybe that is better
[08:05] <mac_v> rugby471: hm.. let me try the utils.. how do i use it?
[08:05] <rugby471> mac_v: well I ahve been using it with a script I made, wait a min and I shall find it for you
[08:09] <rugby471> mac_v: here we go http://pastebin.com/d7607c4f9
[08:09] <rugby471> mac_v: bear in mind this was a while back and so the script itself is quite dirty
[08:09] <rugby471> mac_v: however it should work, just run it in the directory above the humanity directory
[08:10] <mac_v> rugby471: ah... thanks. will have a go at it some time ;)
[08:10] <mac_v> rugby471: did you try the execute symlinks? do they work now?
[08:10] <rugby471> mac_v: it takes two seconds :-) and then all the symlinks are done
[08:10] <rugby471> mac_v: yep they do now, however the icon is pretty blurry (understandably)
[08:10] <mac_v> yeah ;)
[08:19] <mac_v> rugby471: does the SS display the find icon with humanity?
[08:19] <mac_v> it has all the symlinks ...*i think*
[08:19] <rugby471> mac_v: I don't know but I don't think so, mpt was talking about it I think
[08:20] <rugby471> mac_v: tell you what
[08:20] <mac_v> the problem seems to be SS is using a wrong label :?
[08:20] <rugby471> mac_v: I shall find you your missing symlinks, wait a min
[08:20] <mac_v> stock find
[08:20] <mac_v> mvo said it uses > stock find
[08:20] <mac_v> but that is not a gnome label ,
[08:21] <mac_v> rugby471: stock search is the correct label
[08:23] <mac_v> rugby471: or maybe SS is not able to handle svg :(
[08:23] <rugby471> mac_v: yeah maybe give me a min, there is a rpblem with my script
[08:24] <mac_v> already the accessories icon in the main window looks black  , when it is actually white :/
[08:24] <rugby471> mac_v: damn it, becuase the humanity icons are set out differently, the script won't work
[08:24] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[08:25] <rugby471> mac_v: I don't have time to work on a new script now, however this evening I might be able to
[08:25] <mac_v> rugby471: no need script , just try one thing , edit the SS store to use the stcok search label
[08:25] <mac_v> instead of stock find
[08:25] <mac_v> see if that works
[08:26] <rugby471> mac_v: it seems that humanity is missing a lot of symlinks though, so there are other programs which are affected
[08:27] <mac_v> i wouldnt say lot ;) , but yeah some are still missing
[08:27] <rugby471> mac_v: the search entry in software store uses gtk.STOCK_FIND
[08:28] <rugby471> mac_v: it is a symlink problem or an svg problem i think
[08:28] <mac_v> rugby471: yeah , thats what mvo said... try with stock search
[08:28] <mac_v> if that works then its symlink prob
[08:29] <rugby471> mac_v: I cannot use stock search it doesn't exist http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/gtk-stock-items.html
[08:29] <mac_v> rugby471: gnome icons have it ;)
[08:29] <rugby471> mac_v: trust me, by tonite I can write a new script and solve our problems :-)
[08:30] <rugby471> mac_v: I am using gtk :-)
[08:30] <mac_v> ;p
[08:30] <rugby471> mac_v: however first I have to do some work
[08:30] <rugby471> see ya
[09:53] <tgpraveen> any chance of getting libtheora1.1 in karmic? it will improve  video chat quality and videol playback
[09:54] <tgpraveen> right now we have about the same version as we had in jaunty so its really old
[10:05] <Amaranth> mac_v: btw, launchpad doesn't autoclose bugs it just tells you they expired
[10:05] <Amaranth> I guess it's probably some flag in launchpadlib you can access
[10:06] <mac_v> Amaranth: yeah , i noticed that
[10:09] <mac_v> Amaranth: hmm , for some reason compiz is still missing an icon... which package in compiz reinstalls the icon?
[10:09] <mac_v> the notification area icon*
[10:09] <Amaranth> compiz has an icon?
[10:09] <Amaranth> oh, just uninstall that stupid thing
[10:10] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[10:10] <mac_v> Amaranth: well i find it easy to reload compiz when it crashes... i use it only rarely
[10:10] <Amaranth> fusion-icon
[10:10] <Amaranth> compiz doesn't crash :)
[10:11] <Amaranth> I haven't only had compiz crash once since jaunty's release except when I'm messing with the code
[10:11] <mac_v> well , my crappy ATI drivers crash and wm switches to matacity , compiz needs to be restarted ;)
[10:11] <mac_v> metacity*
[10:12] <Amaranth> I don't think I've ever seen a crash in libGL from an ATI user
[10:12] <Amaranth> Only started seeing them from intel users in karmic and those are all fixed
[10:13] <mac_v> hm , then i must debug it sometime... it occurs rarely.. probably once or twice a month
[10:13] <Amaranth> mac_v: Is it when you press alt-tab? :)
[10:13] <Amaranth> And does apport pop up?
[10:13] <Amaranth> man the group plugin is so awesome
[10:13] <mac_v> nope , i dont use alt tab ;) and apport doesnt recongize it :(
[10:15] <mac_v> Amaranth: BTW,  the X crash during compiz cube plugin , tseliot helped me get a gdb for that :)
[10:15] <mac_v> something was messed up very recently in ATI drivers :/
[10:15] <Amaranth> sweet
[10:15] <Amaranth> gdb compiz is hard
[10:16] <Amaranth> well, X and compiz
[10:16] <Amaranth> that's why apport is so awesome
[10:16] <Amaranth> Although sometimes I wish it would leave the CoreDump files
[10:17] <mac_v> once i got a core dump of 160MB for a nautilus crash ;)
[10:17] <mac_v> i just didnt report it ;p
[10:44] <rugby471> mac_v: hi
[10:44] <rugby471> mac_v: I have the script :-)
[10:44] <mac_v> ;)
[10:47] <rugby471> mac_v: http://pastebin.com/m64113b5d
[10:48] <rugby471> mac_v: place this in the humanity icons directory and run:
[10:48] <rugby471> python manage_links.py -c
[10:48] <rugby471> to create the symlinks
[10:48] <rugby471> or
[10:48] <rugby471> python manage_links.py -r
[10:48] <rugby471> to remove them
[10:48] <rugby471> mac_v: please try it, it only takes two seconds
[10:49] <mac_v> rugby471: just a sec... i'm on the verge of solving the panel icons ;)
[10:49] <rugby471> mac_v: solving them?
[10:49] <rugby471> mac_v: sure once you have finished them (what are you doing to them exactly?)
[10:49] <mac_v> rugby471: yeah , UX wants greyscale icons on panel but not in apps :/
[10:50] <rugby471> mac_v: ah yes I remeber that bug now
[10:50] <rugby471> mac_v: like the ubuntu one icon?
[10:50] <mac_v> rugby471: so i'v now figured it out for almost all apps ...
[10:50] <rugby471> mac_v: cool
[10:51] <Amaranth> X freezes when you enable the reflection plugin on intel gm965 :/
[10:51] <mac_v> rugby471: not sure about the Ubuntu icon. in greyscale you mean?
[10:51] <rugby471> mac_v: I thought on the bug report, they were speaking about how the ubuntu one icon is colourful in the panel when the other (ie. network-manager) are not
[10:52] <mac_v> rugby471: that is a wont fix for now ;)
[10:52] <mac_v> that's only for lucid
[10:52] <rugby471> mac_v: hehe
[10:52] <mac_v> rugby471: there is no way we can do all the apps under the sun in greyscale!
[10:53] <rugby471> mac_v: very true :-)
[11:09] <rugby471> mac_v: here is a new version http://pastebin.com/m4534e095
[11:10] <rugby471> mac_v: it includes a -v option#
[11:10] <rugby471> mac_v: in humanity at the moment, there are a few icons that shouldn't exist
[11:10] <rugby471> mac_v: ie. gnome-run.svg
[11:10] <rugby471> mac_v: the freedesktop name for it is system-run.svg
[11:10] <mac_v> rugby471: why?
[11:11] <mac_v> boo freedesktop
[11:11] <rugby471> mac_v: it should be called system-run.svg and then the symlink to it should be gnome-run.svg
[11:12] <rugby471> running with -v shows you the files that should not exist (with a cross next to them) and the file that should (with a tick next to it)
[11:12] <mac_v> rugby471: the rev is still in development ;) so the system run symlink will land soon
[11:12] <rugby471> mac_v: that was just an example :-)
[11:12] <rugby471> mac_v: ofcourse there are situations where you need to interpret the output of -v
[11:12] <rugby471> ie.
[11:13] <mac_v> rugby471: what does the script actually do? does it add the links on its own :/
[11:13] <mac_v> ?
[11:13] <rugby471> /home/rugby471/.icons/humanity/devices/48/gnome-dev-media-ms.svg  ☒
[11:13] <rugby471> /home/rugby471/.icons/humanity/devices/48/media-flash.svg  ☑
[11:13] <rugby471> in this case we do want seperate icons (as they are different with logos etc.) so these we would leave
[11:14] <rugby471> mac_v: yes the script creates the symlinks when you run it with -c
[11:14] <rugby471> mac_v: and deletes *only* the symlinks with -r
[11:15] <rugby471> mac_v: another good example is the network manager icons
[11:15] <rugby471> mac_v: atm we have status/22/nm-signal-00.svg
[11:15] <rugby471> mac_v: which should be status/22/network-wireless-low.svg
[11:16] <mac_v> rugby471: wrong... check hicolor ;p
[11:16] <mac_v> the icons will be in the apps folder ;)
[11:16] <mac_v> the symlinks are just so that it would work in all types of systems :)
[11:17] <rugby471> mac_v: sorry I don't see what you mean?
[11:17] <mac_v> rugby471: if you check the usr/share/hicolor folder , thats where nm adds its icons
[11:17] <mac_v> the icons will be in the apps folder
[11:17] <rugby471> mac_v: yup
[11:17] <mac_v> not in status
[11:18] <mac_v> and the labels are /nm-signal-*.svg
[11:19] <rugby471> mac_v: those are different icons, they are for the connecting animation
[11:19] <mac_v> rugby471:  check again ;) all the icons are there
[11:19] <mac_v> for nm
[11:19] <mac_v> wireless atleast
[11:19] <rugby471> mac_v: that is strange...
[11:20] <rugby471> mac_v: anyway that is not the problem, they only work in status anyway
[11:20] <rugby471> nm-applet picks them up from status
[11:20] <mac_v> rugby471: nope! worng again
[11:20] <mac_v> they work even when in apps
[11:20] <rugby471> mac_v: in any case they work in both places
[11:20] <mac_v> thats how i use them in my system :)
[11:20] <mac_v> rugby471: yeah
[11:20] <rugby471> mac_v: that is not what I am saying though
[11:21] <rugby471> mac_v: if you know what is below then please don't think that I am patronizing you
[11:21] <mac_v> ;)
[11:21] <rugby471> mac_v: once there was a time where icons where just put wherever the were wanted with different names etc.
[11:22] <rugby471> mac_v: then freedesktop decided to consolidate them into a standard icon naming scheme
[11:22] <rugby471> mac_v: this is what the tango project did
[11:22] <mac_v> *tried* to do ;p
[11:23] <rugby471> mac_v: now the icon-naming-utils (the symlinks) are provided so that those old scattered locations are still there for programs which don't use the new naming scheme yet
[11:23] <rugby471> mac_v: so we should use the standard icon scheme for the base icons (ie. the actaul files)
[11:23] <rugby471> mac_v: and then for the old locations these should be symlinks
[11:24] <mac_v> rugby471: hehe , i already fixed the system run it will apply in the rev i push today :)
[11:24] <rugby471> mac_v: therefore the -v option finds the files which are using the old location as the base icon instead of the new icon naming scheme as the base
[11:24] <mac_v> and in the way you are describing
[11:24] <Amaranth> can someone who doesn't have intel graphics test https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra/+bug/387370 for me? :)
[11:24] <rugby471> mac_v: yep and there are other like the network manager ones
[11:25] <rugby471> mac_v: the base icons (ie. svg originals) should be named status/22/network-wireless-low.svg
[11:25] <rugby471> mac_v: the symlink should then be status/22/nm-signal-00.svg
[11:25] <mac_v> rugby471: that i wont do for now :) ... untill nm fixes it first ;)
[11:26] <rugby471> mac_v: sorry?
[11:26] <mac_v> rugby471: when network manager places the icons in the status folder and uses the labels described in free... then i'll change this also
[11:27] <rugby471> mac_v: that's not the point
[11:27] <mac_v> rugby471: pls i dont want to mess things up.. now
[11:28] <rugby471> mac_v: the base icon should be network-wireless-
[11:28] <rugby471> mac_v: the symlink should be nm-signal-
[11:28] <rugby471> it won't break anything
[11:28] <mac_v> rugby471: anyways ...
[11:28] <mac_v> not now ;p
[11:28] <rugby471> mac_v: just putting the symlink on the correct icon
[11:28] <rugby471> mac_v: otherwise there are other programs like wicd who can't use the icons
[11:29] <rugby471> the icon script I gave you only works on the icons that are using the standar naming spec for the base svg icon
[11:29] <rugby471> mac_v: why are you reluctant to do this?
[11:29] <mac_v> rugby471: there is bit of a shuffle going on the the nm labels... pls dont confuse me now ;)  asac is fixing the naming ... he said he will inform the new names also
[11:30] <asac> is fixing == is trying to get that untangled upstream ;)
[11:30] <rugby471> asac: what exactly is it that needs untangling :-)
[11:30] <mac_v> ;)
[11:30] <asac> rugby471: no time
[11:31] <rugby471> asac: is there a bug open?
[11:31] <asac> rugby471: but its basically splitting up icons that are used to indidicate status from the ones that solely refer to devices
[11:31] <asac> no
[11:31] <rugby471> asac: will it be in karmic or lucid?
[11:32] <asac> no commitment given. goal is karmic, but not 100% certain
[11:32] <rugby471> asac: ok
[11:32] <asac> if you want file a bug and assign me
[11:33] <rugby471> mac_v: I shall create a branch later with the names corrected and the correct symlinks created so nothing is broken and I shall propose for merge
[11:33] <rugby471> mac_v: ^ for humanity
[11:33] <mac_v> rugby471: what is the hurry?
[11:33] <mac_v> sorry... but kindly wait for asac
[11:34] <rugby471> mac_v: there is none, however at the moment in karmic, there are symlinks that don't exist and so some things will be broken
[11:34] <rugby471> mac_v: if asac manages to get the nm thing finished then we can always update the icon names, however if he doesn't manage to, then we leave it
[11:35] <rugby471> mac_v: don't worry, I will make it a priority that nothing breaks at all
[11:36] <rugby471> mac_v: plus I need to start doing revision in a few days and so I won't be able to do much work on it further down the line
[11:39] <mac_v> rugby471: atm , this issue is low priority for humanity... since stuff with nm works... but sure , as asac said , file the bug and assign it to both nm > asac and humanity> to me :)
[11:39] <rugby471> mac_v: I don't know the bug to file though, the issue is unknown to me
[11:40] <rugby471> mac_v: just becuase it is low priority doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed :-)
[11:40] <mac_v> ;)
[11:40] <mac_v> rugby471: i dint say wont fix
[11:40] <mac_v> will fix but not now
[11:40] <rugby471> mac_v: I will make a branch and fix it, all you need to do is merge :-)
[11:41] <rugby471> mac_v: but cool
[11:41] <mac_v> rugby471: basically i dont want to do the work twice! once the problem is resolved
[11:41] <rugby471> mac_v: okay I see your point
[11:41] <rugby471> mac_v: however I shall do the work
[11:41] <mac_v> ;)
[11:48] <rugby471> mac_v: time to go
[11:48] <rugby471> mac_v: see ya :-)
[11:49] <rugby471> (you can relax now)
[11:49] <mac_v> ;p
[12:37] <tgpraveen> mac_v: in the humanity theme
[12:38] <tgpraveen> in the nautilius side panel of places, I can't differentiate between usb hdd and local hdd
[12:39] <tgpraveen> in human theme for eg the usb symbol was prominently visible. But right now if I am in computer:/// then I can see it is a usb and make out the difference
[12:39] <tgpraveen> but not in the side pane
[12:49] <tgpraveen> filed bug                                       Bug #437606
[14:09] <Amaranth> lmao
[14:09] <Amaranth> I just asked keybuk to test a 2 year old crash bug in karmic :P
[14:10] <Amaranth> Someone else commented it was still happening for them in jaunty, thought that was the same as the reporter
[18:36] <rugby471> mac_v: hello
[18:49] <mac_v> rugby471: hey
[18:58] <rugby471> mac_v: I ignored doing the network manager stuff as some of the icon names are messed up (ie. nm-applet has an icon for 75% but the standard icon names don't)
[18:59] <rugby471> mac_v: however I recursively vacuumed defs, created all symlinks, renamed one file that wasn't correct and created all symlinks :-)
[18:59] <rugby471> mac_v: https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/humanity/humanity-andrews-changes
[19:43] <Zdra> kenvandine, is it a bug or feature that notify bubbles are not on top of screen
[20:00] <dobey> Zdra: "not on top"?
[20:02] <Zdra> it is not at the same position than before, it a bit below
[20:02] <tgpraveen>  Zdra are the sync notifications like volume etc on top
[20:03] <tgpraveen> ie their original posn
[20:03] <Zdra> tgpraveen, yep
[20:03] <Zdra> but not all empathy notify
[20:04] <tgpraveen> yeah that was a design change which was suggested to separate sync/async notifications
[20:04] <tgpraveen> dont know if it went in right now or not
[20:09] <Zdra> that looks like a bug...
[20:19] <Zdra> asac, any chance to get epiphany-extentions packaged for webkit version?


[03:52] <ejat> if i want to sync my iphone contact to u1 .. did i need to subscribe u1 music ?
[03:53] <ejat> i already got u1 contact app in iphone .. but when i try to login it will open the browser and login to u1 .. can someone guide/help me ?
[03:58] <ejat> ?
[11:41] <nessita> hello crowd!
[11:43] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:44] <nessita> hi gatox
[11:45] <gatox> nessita, have to go to ecogas right now........ i'm moving to a new apartment :D....... brb!! also...... did you have the time to review my branches?
[11:46] <nessita> gatox: not yet, will do soon, I'm trying to diagnose why my monitor died :-/
[11:46] <gatox> nessita, yackssssss......
[11:52] <nessita> @ping
[11:52] <ubot4> pong
[12:01] <mandel> morning all!
[12:05] <nessita> hi mandel
[12:06] <mandel> nessita, buenos dias
[12:06] <mandel> nessita, I finally fixed my vm so I'm goign to start fixing those lint issues
[12:06] <nessita> mandel: ack
[12:28] <gatox> back... hasta ecogas sin saaber que era feriado..... :S
[12:31] <mandel> gatox, is it a holiday in argentina?
[12:31] <gatox> mandel, i think that only in cordoba...... i am always lost with that things
[12:56] <teknico> mandel, hi
[12:57] <mandel> teknico, hello!
[12:57] <teknico> mandel, how are you?
[12:57] <mandel> teknico, fine, doing some cleanup etc.. :)
[12:57] <teknico> mandel, there's a user whose windows app installer cannot create the C:\Program Files\ubuntuone directory
[12:57] <teknico> mandel, can we allow users to do a user-specific, rather than system-global, install?
[12:59] <mandel> teknico, ok, so we have a user that does not have the admin rights, is that what you mean?
[12:59] <teknico> mandel, exactly
[12:59] <mandel> teknico, I think we can look at that, cna you add that as a bug in wishlist mode and add ralsina as the owner
[12:59] <teknico> mandel, ok, against what package?
[13:00] <mandel> teknico, I think is possible since we just need access to his registry, but we might need to change some parts of the code so that we do not look in Program Files
[13:00] <mandel> teknico, do it in ubuntuone-windows-installer
[13:01] <teknico> mandel, btw, that path is localized, in Italian for instance it's C:\Programmi
[13:03] <mandel> teknico, yes, I know at the moment we get the path from the winapi, we should be getting it from a registry var so that the user can install anywhere :)
[13:03] <mandel> teknico, that is waht I meant with hardcode, tht we always use the same function, but is an easy fix :)
[13:04] <teknico> mandel, great
[13:06] <mandel> teknico, I'm curious, did the user manage to launch the isntaller? I think it runs in admin mode
[13:07] <mandel> or he just cannot write in Program Files?
[13:07] <mandel> nessita, gatox, ralsina, stand up?
[13:07] <teknico> mandel, apparently he did manage to launch the installer
[13:07] <teknico> mandel, fyi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-windows-installer/+bug/863280
[13:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863280 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "User has no admin rights, cannot install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:07] <mandel> teknico, ok, good to know
[13:07] <gatox> me?
[13:07] <mandel> teknico, txh! Iwe'll try to fix that asap
[13:07] <mandel> me
[13:08] <teknico> mandel, thank you :-)
[13:09] <gatox> mandel, i think ralsina took the morning to do some things.... he will be connected later
[13:09] <mandel> teknico, no problem, I think is a bug that will hit all the user that are using u1-windows in a corporate machine, which I think are most of them
[13:09] <mandel> teknico, so we might fix this after the proxy issue :P
[13:10] <mandel> gatox, so just you and me.. that is lame :P
[13:10] <teknico> mandel, sure, no pressure :-P
[13:10] <gatox> nessita, ??
[13:10] <gatox> mandel, isn't she around?
[13:10] <gatox> mandel, ahhhhh she was fighting with his monitor
[13:11] <nessita> gatox: I'm here
[13:11] <nessita> gatox: I was preparing mate
[13:11] <gatox> nessita, say me :P
[13:11] <nessita> me
[13:11] <gatox> her monitor (sorry)
[13:11] <gatox> :P
[13:11] <gatox> ok, go to me
[13:11] <gatox> DONE:
[13:11] <gatox> Pass recover, Fixed some branches, Fixed LocalFoldersPage.get_info does not hide the overlay on backend error.
[13:11] <gatox> TODO:
[13:11] <gatox> Keep fixing ui bugs
[13:11] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:11] <gatox> No
[13:12] <gatox> mandel, go
[13:12] <mandel> DONE: Fixed my VMs, they where very very broken. Work on secret sprint project, nearly done.
[13:12] <mandel> TODO: Fix pylin issues.  Propose fixed to migrate data.
[13:12] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[13:13] <mandel> COMMETS: alecu is not working today, I might go a little early 'cause I need to catch a flight
[13:13] <mandel> next nessita
[13:13] <nessita> DONE: tried to fixed libsyncdaemon re credentials
[13:13] <gatox> mandel, secret sprint project? :P
[13:13] <nessita> TODO: freaky friday (magicicada)
[13:13] <nessita> BLOCKED: np
[13:13] <nessita> NEXT: dobey? ralsina?
[13:14] <mandel> nessita, apparently ralsina will start a litle laters, gatox knows more
[13:14] <mandel> gatox, yes, is a nice feature that made me write Win 32 C++ :(
[13:14] <dobey> me
[13:14] <dobey> λ DONE: debugging, webkit cherrypick/upload, branch review
[13:14] <dobey> λ TODO: tickets, hack day?
[13:14] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[13:15] <mandel> oh, is hack day!!! I forgot
[13:15]  * mandel dances
[13:15]  * mandel points at gatox
[13:15] <mandel> haha
[13:15] <mandel> (do hear that simpson character laugh)
[13:15] <gatox> mandel, jejeeje
[13:16] <gatox> mandel, not for me...... :(
[13:38] <nessita> gatox: added needs fixing to https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048, let me know if you have any question!
[13:38] <gatox> nessita, ok
[14:01] <duanedesign> mandel: any way to change the instalation location of the windows client?
[14:08] <mandel> duanedesign, no, but there is a wishlist for that  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-windows-installer/+bug/863280
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863280 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "User has no admin rights, cannot install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:08] <mandel> duanedesign, the more people there is that want it the more quickly we will work on that :)
[14:08] <duanedesign> thank you sir
[14:09] <mandel> duanedesign, also, do not confuse install location to where the Ubuntu One folder is located, that one we cannot move :(
[15:16] <gatox> nessita, mandel review please? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/local-folders-get_info-fail/+merge/77718
[15:26] <dobey> lunch time and appointment
[15:26] <dobey> bbiab
[15:26] <mandel> gatox, ok
[15:26] <nessita> gatox: lint isssssuuuuuueeessss
[15:26] <nessita> ubuntuone_installer/gui/qt/tests/test_local_folders.py:
[15:26] <nessita>     301:  [C0111, LocalFoldersTestCase.raise_exception] Missing docstring
[15:26] <gatox> nessita, oh yes!
[15:27] <nessita> oh *no*
[15:27] <nessita> :-D
[15:27] <gatox> nessita, i just don't know how to fix pylint in my machine....... :(
[15:28] <nessita> gatox: so, 2 things:
[15:28] <nessita> gatox: stop fixing bugs and code that branch that fixes the mocker tests you have pending
[15:28]  * gatox reading...
[15:28] <mandel> gatox, whata is the diff between the two tests besides the fact that one got an exception? is that the change. That if there is an exception the overlay is hidden?
[15:28] <nessita> gatox: and dedicate some time to debug this
[15:28] <nessita> gatox: debug this == try to ensure that the pylint being used is the one from our hackers ppa package
[15:29] <gatox> nessita, ok...... i'll start working on the branch without mocker and that
[15:29] <nessita> gatox: put prints and stuff like that to check that the proper lint is being used... not sure what can be happening in your box
[15:29] <nessita> gatox: lint gets crazy on windows, but no one is having issues in linux
[15:29] <nessita> so is kind a interesting knowing what is going on
[15:30] <gatox> mandel, one execute get_info without an exception, and test that the overlay is hidden, and the other test that the overlay is hidden with exception.......... AND NOW i'm thinking that the overlay.hide should be place outside the try-except
[15:30] <gatox> instead of just adding one more inside the except
[15:30] <gatox> my bad
[15:31]  * gatox is fixing that and the pylint issu
[15:33] <mandel> gatox, I was going for that hehe it did not seem to logical to have n both the same, it looked funy :P
[15:34] <gatox> mandel, maybe....... nessita what do you think?? i made both to check the two situations.....
[15:34] <nessita> gatox: I wasn't  reading, let me catch up
[15:34] <gatox> maybe one of them is unnecessary
[15:34] <nessita> gatox: what is the question?
[15:35] <gatox> mandel, nessita i've fixed the lint issue, and moved the overlay.hide outside the try-except block
[15:35] <nessita> gatox:  self.wizard().overlay.hide() should be inside a finally block
[15:35] <mandel> gatox, much better ^
[15:35] <nessita> gatox: and you should have at least 2 tests, one for get_info failing, a another for get)info not failing
[15:35] <gatox> nessita, ok,, you are right
[15:35] <gatox> nessita, so its ok what i did
[15:36] <mandel> gatox, testing both is ok, adding it in the except is not
[15:36] <mandel> gatox, you have to test all paths, that lead you to the finally
[15:37] <nessita> gatox: I guess so, will confirm when I'll look the diff when branchin (I need more info than what LP is giving me)
[15:37] <nessita> gatox: I'll branch once the fixes are there
[15:37]  * mandel should be less spanish and stop pointing things out with questions?
[15:37] <gatox> i'm uploading the last changes
[15:47] <mandel> gatox, does the logger just do this logger.exception("Error getting backend info:") ??
[15:47] <mandel> gatox, would be nicer to know a little more, right? can it be done?
[15:48] <nessita> mandel: the logger automatically add the whole traceback
[15:48] <gatox> mandel, i assume it can... wow.. that was kind of empty
[15:48] <nessita> mandel: that is, when calling logger.exception inside a except block
[15:48] <gatox> nessita, cool
[15:48] <gatox> nessita, i didn't know that
[15:48] <nessita> gatox: there is no need  for extra info
[15:50] <mandel> nessita, dammed I always forget that! stupid manuel!
[15:53] <mandel> wow! the guy next door really like loud music
[17:30] <gatox> have to leave now! see you later!!
[17:31] <gatox> nessita, i will try to submit the first no mocker branch tonight (i'll divide it in several branches to avoid problems)
[17:31] <nessita> gatox: great!
[17:31] <nessita> gatox: send me an email
[17:31] <gatox> nessita, ok!!
[17:36] <dobey> brb
[17:36] <duanedesign> mandel: if a user of windows client gets  (not well- formed(invaled token): line 40 collumn 27). Do they need to reinstall the client?
[17:42] <dobey> hrmm, that sucked
[17:42] <dobey> i guess i have to play around with config to fix e17
[17:56] <dobey> let's try that again real quick :)
[18:00] <duanedesign> dobey: I havent used Enlightenment in awhile, how is it?
[18:01] <dobey> almost there
[18:02] <dobey> duanedesign: not well integrated is what it is
[18:03] <duanedesign> too bad. Been a few years but the first time I saw Enlightenment I really liked it
[18:04] <dobey> alright, one more try
[18:09] <dobey> sigh
[18:09] <duanedesign> :\
[18:10] <nessita> brb reboot
[18:16] <dobey> e17 seems to have some issues
[18:32] <dobey> also trying to think of everything major we need to do in the 12.04 cycle for client stuff
[18:34] <nessita> dobey: if you fell like it (I know if friday), would you review? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/find_credentials-sync/+merge/77745 (if you prefer Monday is fine)
[18:38] <dobey> done
[18:40] <dobey> nessita, ralsina: do either of you have any somewhat major things you think we need to do for 12.04 cycle?
[18:40] <ralsina> dobey: switch to Qt?
[18:40] <ralsina> ;-)
[18:40] <ralsina> and good evening everyone
[18:40] <dobey> i hope we can avoid that
[18:41] <nessita> ralsina: hi there
[18:41] <ralsina> hi nessita
[18:41] <nessita> dobey: well, the idea is drop support for the GTK panel. We still be supporting the GTK sso UI. So, we'd need to migrate SSO to gtk3, which does not use twisted directly but our test suite does.
[18:42] <nessita> dobey: also, I would like to get rid of all deprecated dbus method in the syncdaemon interface.
[18:43]  * dobey points at his official job title ;)
[18:44] <nessita> dobey: I did not got that :-)
[18:44] <dobey> "GNOME Developer - Online Services"
[18:46] <ralsina> nessita: I am setting the proxy bug to triaged. What do you like better, medium or high?
[18:47] <dobey> opinion
[18:47] <dobey> ;)
[18:47] <nessita> ralsina: well, it depends
[18:47] <ralsina> it does seem to affect a lot of people
[18:47] <nessita> ralsina: are we working on that any time soon?
[18:47] <ralsina> nessita: I expect in the next month or two
[18:48] <nessita> ralsina: I would not change the bug status until then (but that's just me). Every change to that bug report triggers tons of unnecessary comments
[18:48] <nessita> if you change the status, people will start commenting on it again, saying a variety of things that so far only consumes time but provides no good feedback
[18:48] <ralsina> I am trying to do things more openly. We want to do it, we think we have to do it, and we plan on doing it. having it as "wishlist" is not reflecting that
[18:49] <ralsina> it only makes it look as if we don't care
[18:49] <nessita> ralsina: from my POV, not having it in the roadmap means we want to do it, not sure if we will
[18:50] <ralsina> nessita: we don't have much of a roadmap yet, but proxy is going to be in it
[18:50] <nessita> moving to one status and then moving it back, may be "terrible"
[18:50] <ralsina> it's like "the big thing" we are doing next
[18:50] <nessita> ralsina: right, I heard the same thing back in budapest
[18:50] <nessita> :-)
[18:50] <ralsina> nessita: well, we have one less item in the roadmap now :-)
[18:50] <nessita> ralsina: is up to you. I will not change it until we seriously consider implementing it
[18:51] <ralsina> I already am seriously considering implementing it
[18:51] <nessita> with the info *I* have, and the experience I have, I still don't think we're doing it any time soon. But you may have more info than I have.
[18:51] <ralsina> I just wanted your opinion on the priority since I know there are some definitions as in "affects X% of people"
[18:51] <ralsina> nessita: I don't think we are *finishing* it soon
[18:51] <nessita> ralsina: is a medium, becasue if affects a lot of people but is not a stopper for most users
[18:52] <ralsina> ok, cool
[18:52] <nessita> ralsina: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[18:52] <ralsina> great, thanks! bookmarking!
[18:55] <nessita> ralsina: question
[18:55] <nessita> ralsina: are you sure you added alecu's unicode username branch to the lastest installer?
[18:55] <ralsina> I thought that one was merged
[18:55] <nessita> ralsina: I've seen at least 2 bugs reporting it does not work in that case
[18:55] <ralsina> wasn't it?
[18:55] <nessita> ralsina: it was not
[18:56] <ralsina> argh, then it's not there
[18:56] <nessita> 0.0
[18:56] <ralsina> Damn
[18:56] <nessita> ralsina: you kidding me? :-D
[18:56] <nessita> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/unicode-usernames/+merge/76145
[18:56] <ralsina> ???? why is it not merged?
[18:57] <dobey> because alecu hasn't fixed the tests?
[18:57] <ralsina> Oh crap
[18:57] <dobey> and why are you all using edge?!
[18:57] <ralsina> crapcrapcrapcrapcrapcrappitycrap
[18:57] <nessita> dobey: firefox cache
[18:58] <nessita> ralsina: bugs are: bug #863297 and bug #862426
[18:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863297 in ubuntuone-client "[windows] Errors when using not ASCII usernames (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863297
[18:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 862426 in ubuntuone-client "cannot syn files with cyrrilic names (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862426
[18:58] <nessita> ralsina: any idea when we can release an update?
[18:58] <ralsina> nessita: not today, maybe tuesday
[18:58] <nessita> ralsina: we can re-evaluate targeting more bugs
[18:58] <ralsina> wednesday is more realistic
[18:58] <ralsina> I would say, if we can fix a few more bugs, friday is good
[18:59] <ralsina> There is gatox
[18:59] <nessita> ralsina: gatox fixed a huge bug where password reset if fixed (it wasn't implemented so far)
[18:59] <ralsina>  sorry, there is gatox's fix for the "forgot password" page
[18:59] <ralsina> yeah
[18:59] <nessita> right
[18:59] <ralsina> With those two it's a good update already, but if we can squeeze another one, even better
[18:59] <nessita> ralsina: I have another branch I'd like to add, will work on that MOnday
[19:00] <nessita> ralsina: better error management in the UI (already spoke with lisette)
[19:00] <ralsina> In fact, it will probably be easier to do the release monday 9, since I will be in the UK
[19:00] <ralsina> so I can do it, you know, awake and stuff
[19:00] <dobey> where is alecu?
[19:01] <mandel> dobey, day off
[19:01] <dobey> of course
[19:02] <mandel> I need to go to catch the plain (I ahve to days ahead of me) talk to you on monday!
[19:03] <dobey> plane
[19:03] <dobey> plain is boring
[19:05] <ralsina> the plains in spain fall mainly on the planes?
[19:06] <ralsina> bye mandel!
[19:08] <nessita> ralsina: can you triage those bugs and mark them as dup iof the master one?
[19:08] <ralsina> nessita: sure
[19:10] <ralsina> nessita: done
[19:14] <dobey> hrmm
[19:15] <dobey> organizing ideas is hard work
[19:50] <nessita> ralsina: I think you forgot to actually mark this a dup (you did add  acomment)  #863297
[19:50] <ralsina> bug #863297
[19:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863297 in ubuntuone-client "[windows] Errors when using not ASCII usernames (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863297
[19:51] <ralsina> fixing
[19:52] <ralsina> nessita: launchpad is giving me a "try later" error. I will... try later?
[19:52] <nessita> ralsina: okis
[19:56] <dobey> ralsina: did you try later?
[19:56] <dobey> ralsina: if not, it worked anyway :P
[19:56] <ralsina> dobey: indeed. And successfuly.
[19:56] <dobey> ah ok
[20:03] <dobey> man, the CRJ-900 is an awful plane, and so is spending 6 hours in ATL
[20:10] <dobey> well, got that done at least (i hope)
[20:25] <ralsina> dobey: do you remember the master bug for "we don't detect network if network-manager is not running"?
[20:28] <dobey> no
[20:28] <dobey> it was fixed a long time ago
[20:30] <ralsina> it still fails if network-manager is installed and disabled
[20:30] <ralsina> IIRC
[20:32] <dobey> hecks yeah having medallion privs is nice
[20:33] <dobey> ralsina: well it fails if network-manager says you have no network, yes; but that is not disabled
[20:33] <ralsina> if NM is installed and not being used to connect the network, does that happen?
[20:34] <dobey> it's not that it is installed, it is that it is running
[20:34] <dobey> there is nothing we can do about that other than to tell people "don't do that, or do it right"
[20:35] <nessita> ralsina: right, we can't distinguish from NM telling you have no network becasue you don't have, or because you connect with other manager but still have NM running
[20:35] <dobey> maybe we can fix some packages to Conflicts each other i guess to help with that, so that wicd causes network-manager to get removed
[20:36] <ralsina> dobey: yeah
[20:36] <ralsina> dobey: feel free to answer bug #863598 then ;-)
[20:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863598 in ubuntuone-client "Doesn't recognize internet connection with gnome network manager disabled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863598
[20:36] <dobey> here's hoping i get upgraded
[20:39] <dobey> done
[20:41] <nessita> dobey: I have a branch ready for libsyncdaemon, that does not change the API :-)
[20:41] <nessita> I have only one doubt...
[20:42] <nessita> dobey: what is this declaration for? dbus_g_object_register_marshaller (_syncdaemon_marshal_VOID__STRING_POINTER,
[20:42] <nessita> inside syncdaemon_authentication_init
[20:43] <dobey> nessita: we have to register marshallers for connecting to dbus signals
[20:43] <nessita> dobey: is the type of the marshaller fixed? I mean, shall it change if the dbus signals signature change?
[20:44] <nessita> also, how come we register only one marshaller if we already had signals with different signatures?
[20:44] <dobey> nessita: it has to match the signal
[20:45] <dobey> i don't understand the second question
[20:45] <nessita> dobey: in the current code, we register only one marshaller, but we connect to several siganls, with different signatures...
[20:46] <nessita> dobey: does that mean that all the signals that do not match the marshaller signature are being, for example, ignored?
[20:47] <nessita> not sure if my question is clearer now
[20:48] <dobey> we register several marshallers
[20:48] <dobey> well, 2 in authentication.c
[20:50] <dobey> and if the signatures changed then yes, we need to use different marshallers, and probably write the bit to make such marshallers
[20:50] <nessita> hum
[20:50] <dobey> what changed?
[20:50] <nessita> dobey: which 2 marshallers we register?
[20:51] <nessita> ah, I know, the old proxy and the new proxy (in trunk)
[20:51] <dobey> oh yes, so it's 1 but is used for either the old or the new proxy stuff
[20:52] <nessita> dobey: let me push the branch to be more explicit about what changed, but basically:
[20:52] <nessita> * no more app_name being sent nor received
[20:52] <dobey> doesn't credentialsfound give you a string and a dict?
[20:52] <dobey> or just a dict?
[20:52] <nessita> * on error, instead of 2 strings, we received a dict
[20:52] <nessita> dobey: just a dict for credentialsfound
[20:52] <dobey> oh hrmm
[20:52] <nessita> dobey: nothing for authdenied, and nothing for credentialsnotfound (new signal)
[20:53] <nessita> dobey: good news is we can remove all the SSO_FOO constants!!!
[20:53] <dobey> nessita: is desktopcouch fixed yet?
[20:53] <nessita> dobey: pretty sure yes, let me confirm
[20:53] <dobey> well because you want to talk to credentials service instead of sso directly right?
[20:54] <nessita> dobey: yes
[20:54] <nessita> dobey: latest diff is located at https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/update-sso/+merge/77370
[20:55] <dobey> man, all this auth stuff is a horrible mess
[20:56] <nessita> dobey: it is, yes, but I think we're moving in the right direction of cleaning it up
[20:56] <dobey> i am not sure about that
[20:57] <nessita> dobey: desktopcouch uses non-deprecated sso dbus service, but not the u1.credentials one. I can migrate that next week.
[20:58] <dobey> oh i was pretty sure it was expecting app_name in credentials found and was comparing it, to add the right pairing stuff
[20:59] <nessita> dobey: right, if we move to use u1.creds, no need to compare app_names
[20:59] <dobey> anyway, i am more concerned about the giant mess of code we have
[20:59] <dobey> right-ish
[21:01] <dobey> u1.creds seems like a non-solution to the problem
[21:01] <nessita> dobey: right. But at least we can have libsyncdaemon authing again without breaking apis... (I tested it with tomboy and works...)
[21:02] <dobey> for the moment; we need to break some APIs and take ownership of some things, anyway
[21:03] <nessita> dobey: I agree. Though, I would like to have a plan for that, and fix the auth service in libsd in nightlies in the mean time... mostly because we have end users using nightlies
[21:07] <dobey> i think we still need to register marshallers, but we probably don't need that one here any more
[21:09] <nessita> dobey: ack... I will check that up on MOn
[21:13] <dobey> yeah, have a good weekend!
[21:13] <nessita> you too!


[01:32] <Jester86> anyone active?
[01:32] <Jester86> I'm experiencing a strange issue
[02:04] <Bray90820> Anyone else here good with troubleshooting mfd
[04:42] <qwebirc61690> !help
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[04:43] <qwebirc61690> The link to the torrent appears to be broken for 12.04.  Is this a temporary issue?
[04:44] <qwebirc61690> specifically, this link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/12.04.2/release/mythbuntu-12.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:55] <tgm4883> qwebirc61690, it's not broken for me


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[01:34] <diddledan> (no that's not a modem!)
[01:34]  * zmoylan-pi opens a different pack of crackers for those that don't want pre dribbled ones...
[01:34] <diddledan> dribbledan?
[01:34] <daftykins> is it "our jobs to anyone not technically inclined" ?
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> i hope jupiter is insured... http://boingboing.net/2016/03/29/something-may-have-just-struck.html
[02:01] <diddledan> someone is bombarding it with a mass driver
[04:07] <diddledan> oh dear, I just blogged for the first time in forever
[06:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:47] <MooDoo> morning all
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[06:54] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[06:55] <MooDoo> it's hump day so can't complain
[06:55] <brobostigon> :)
[07:37] <MooDoo> off to the nottingham forest football ground tonight....football is the one where you use a cue right?
[08:35] <MooDoo> finally you can have unity launcher at the bottom :D
[08:36] <MooDoo> and you know what?   not sure if i like it lol :)
[08:37] <SuperMatt> hahah
[08:37] <MooDoo> :)
[09:00] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: is it easy to enable?
[09:02] <popey> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[09:02] <popey> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Left
[09:02] <popey> SuperMatt: ^
[09:03] <SuperMatt> ah yes, I see
[09:03] <SuperMatt> very easy
[09:06] <mapps> does everyone do coke in gib? what going on
[09:06] <mapps> its an absolute joke
[09:07] <mapps> 3 guys in a toilet at brunos.....that says it all
[09:08] <mapps> i was prob the oldest person in brunos
[09:08] <SuperMatt> when a night's worth of coke can be cheaper than beer, it's not surprise
[09:08] <mapps> its all free for me;p
[09:08] <mapps> i put my drinks on tab
[09:08] <mapps> lol
[09:12] <SuperMatt> was this a company tab?
[09:13] <mapps> no mine
[09:14] <mapps> i go there 3-5xa week
[09:14] <mapps> by where i work
[09:14] <SuperMatt> right, but you do intend to pay this tab right? It's not free...
[09:15] <mapps> yyes, free for now
[09:15] <mapps> i pay every month
[09:16] <SuperMatt> oh good
[09:16] <SuperMatt> I just wouldn't fall in to the trap of convincing yourself it's free
[09:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Take A Walk In The Park Day! 😃
[09:22] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:23] <JamesTait> 👋  MooDoo
[09:43] <MooDoo> seen this ? http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/
[09:46] <popey> Oooh! The "Microsoft are buying Canonical" rumour has been kicked off again
[09:47] <MooDoo> it wasn't that bad popey ;)
[10:07] <foobarry> not surprising given the public relationship canonical and MS are having
[11:20] <awilkins> Anyone here claimed PPI?
[11:27] <DJones> Yay, back home at last
[11:34] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Considered it, but not done it yet
[11:39] <Myrtti> awilkins: a friend works in a bank and all you need is in theory your name, but more information you can give them helps them. If it's about a joint mortgage or loan, then complain together so it'll be researched properly. Banks should have forms on their sites to fill up, or you can write a letter yourself.
[11:39] <Myrtti> (I've got nothing to my own name in UK but have followed up some discussions)
[11:53] <MooDoo> awilkins: yeah wife has
[11:54] <awilkins> I've got a form from the FCA I'm filling in
[11:54] <awilkins> Basically an endowment plan with a "Critical illness cover"
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: My endowment claim went nowhere. Gutted
[13:09] <TwistedLucidity> Be lucky if it covers ~50% of what it was supposed to (high risk investment when I'd asked for low)
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> Endowment company ignored letters, FCA (or whatever it was called back then) said they could not help
[13:13] <diddledan> wow, MooDoo , popey , that's some serious leaping to conclusions based on the name of a single dll file.
[13:14] <popey> wat wat?
[13:14] <diddledan> popey: the Microsoft/canonical article that MooDoo posted at 10:32
[13:14] <diddledan> 10:43
[13:14] <popey> oh
[13:14] <popey> yeah, fun
[13:15] <diddledan> the file is lxss.dll obviously that means Linux....
[13:15] <MooDoo> oh that was old news, i thought it was about the getting ubuntu running on windows 10 article
[13:16] <diddledan> MooDoo: it's the same story
[13:16] <MooDoo> think it's being announce at build 2016, but i'll believe it when i see it
[13:16] <MooDoo> diddledan: ah! doh!
[13:17] <MooDoo> diddledan: I'm sure popey wouldn't mind working for Microsoft any way ;)
[13:17] <diddledan> MooDoo: the article you posted links to another at winbeta that talks of lxss.dll meaning that Linux is coming to windows
[13:17] <MooDoo> right
[13:18] <diddledan> lxss obviously means Linux subsystem.... there's no other reason for l and x to appear together

[13:18] <ndf> ... totally right though
[13:18] <ndf> lol
[13:21] <ndf> I may be missing the joke here but isn't Microsoft really trying to run Adnroid apps on Windows and vice versa?
[13:22] <diddledan> they abandoned the android bridge
[13:22] <ndf> oh
[13:24] <ndf> why is that? I was under the impression that it would have been a simpler system to implement than cygwin or whatever
[13:26] <popey> diddledan: MooDoo I can't see MS "buying" Canonical
[13:26] <diddledan> I don't think canonical would agree anyway
[13:26] <ndf> unfortunately in business you don't have to 'agree' to be bought
[13:26] <diddledan> at least I would hope Jane would refuse such a purchase
[13:27] <popey> Sure you do
[13:27] <popey> We're a privately held company
[13:28] <ndf> I meant once there's public shares involved, anyway
[13:29] <diddledan> yeah, hostile takeovers can only occur with public stock where there's the possibility of one entity buying themselves a majority share - of course if Mark owned 51% of the shares of a theoretical public canonical then that would be impossible anyway
[13:30] <ndf> ah yeah i see
[13:32] <diddledan> (yey for GCSE business studies :-p)
[13:33] <ndf> haha I actually got a B in BS, but I have forgotten a fair bit
[13:33] <diddledan> ditto on the forgotten, and I think I got C
[13:33] <diddledan> BS = Bull Poo
[13:33] <diddledan> :-p
[13:34] <ndf> hah yea
[13:34] <ndf> ooh phone call
[13:34] <diddledan> yey
[13:34] <ndf> mmmm buds are in lol back soon
[13:40] <knightwise> yezzz :) `
[13:40] <knightwise> removed Windows 10 from my Acer revo, reinstalled 14.04 , its runnign smoothly :)
[13:41] <MooDoo> windows 10 runs quite smooth on my dell, i only removed it as my AV license is due to expire and i don't want to pay out £50 :D
[13:41] <MooDoo> and i don't like the other free ones
[13:52] <knightwise> MooDoo: the machine is mostly used as a file server and a plex server
[13:52] <knightwise> win10 ran fine indeed (Im also running it on my surface pro)
[13:52] <MooDoo> :)
[13:53] <diddledan> I'm currently in win10
[13:53] <diddledan> I hop back and forth between 10 and buntu every other day :-p
[13:53] <MooDoo> I remove it from my laptop, now i'm running ubuntu LTS
[13:54] <MooDoo> well the beta
[13:54] <MooDoo> tried moving ubuntu to the bottom, didn't like it lol
[13:54] <MooDoo> unity launcher i meant lol
[13:54] <diddledan> yeah, 16.04 is close enough now that it's fairly stable
[13:55] <MooDoo> works for me :)  virtualbox couple of vms sweet
[13:55] <MooDoo> i prefer command line stuff so command line music player as well :D
[13:56] <knightwise> same here :)
[13:56] <knightwise> ranger + vms
[13:57] <knightwise> diddledan: thought about cramming 16.04 on the machine but since its our main entertainment center (plex) i had to be sure it was rocksolid
[13:57] <diddledan> I hear that!
[13:58] <diddledan> also, plex ftw
[13:58] <MooDoo> knightwise: i use moc as my music player :)
[14:22] <ndf> MooDoo: what currency is lb? or was that supposed to be a pound? (I understand the origins of lb ;P )
[14:23] <ndf> I read it as 50lbs as a weight
[14:23] <ndf> lol
[14:23] <ndf> let me know if you find an AV that takes subscription payments in weights of meat
[14:31] <MooDoo> lol what ever i put i meant £50
[14:33] <ndf> yeah but what do you mean, £50?
[14:33] <ndf> what is lb?
[14:37] <MooDoo> oh don't you see the currency symbol for sterling / money / pounds MONEY
[14:37] <MooDoo> 50 quid
[14:39] <ndf> i'm seeing lb, not £
[14:39] <ndf> you're typing lb
[14:39] <ndf> not £
[14:40] <MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol £ maybe it's irssi showing it wrong
[14:40] <ndf> "15:40 < MooDoo> no i'm typing the symbol lb maybe it's irssi showing it wrong"
[14:40] <ndf> >the symbol lb
[14:41] <ndf> I think it's your input - I'm on irssi and having no trouble seeing my '£' symbol
[14:41] <MooDoo> i'm on irssi too :)
[14:41] <ndf> then are you seeing me saying 'lb' instead of '£'?
[14:41] <MooDoo> HAY ALL What you seeing when I type £ ?
[14:42] <Myrtti> £ sign
[14:42] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:42] <ndf> "15:42 < Myrtti> lb sign"
[14:42] <ndf> is what I'm seeing on you too
[14:43] <ndf> is that a joke?
[14:43] <ndf> lol
[14:43] <Myrtti> then you might have your UTF8 settings wrong
[14:43] <ndf> ... but I'm seeing my own '£'
[14:43] <ndf> just not yours
[14:43] <Myrtti> well, I'm seeing yours and my own
[14:43] <ndf> admittedly I am running irssi-win so it's on cygwin in cmd
[14:43] <Myrtti> there you go then.
[14:44] <Myrtti> irssi on cygwin is an unholy mess
[14:44] <ndf> but if it was a UTF problem, wouldn't I just be seeing an unrecognised char rather than the two ascii chars for 'l', and 'b'?
[14:44] <ndf> ascii 'lb' != UTF-8 '£'
[14:45] <Myrtti> hence the word 'might'
[14:45] <ndf> well this is all sorts of borked
[14:45] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:45] <ndf> it's offending my mind
[14:45] <MooDoo> Myrtti: you shruggin ;)
[14:45] <Myrtti> yup
[14:45] <MooDoo> :)
[14:46] <ndf> I'm just seeing escape codes in that, I don't know if they're translating on your end but they're not here
[14:46] <MooDoo> looks fine to me :)
[14:46] <ndf> ohrly
[14:47]  * ndf hears a joke whooshing over his head
[14:48] <Myrtti> https://imgur.com/JbgQ2wB
[14:48] <ndf> well holy crap
[14:48] <ndf> hah
[14:49] <MooDoo> :)
[14:49] <MooDoo> Myrtti: are your times stardate or something? ;)
[14:49] <Myrtti> UTC
[14:49] <ndf> haha
[14:49] <MooDoo> oh doh of course, silly me
[14:49] <Myrtti> makes my life easier when discussing logs with the rest
[14:56] <ndf> well I can't beleive I've never had a conversation containing a £ or other UTF symbols before.. surprised I've not noticed that before.
[14:57] <Myrtti> just out of interest
[14:57] <Myrtti> how does äö display to you?
[14:57] <ndf> 15:57 < Myrtti> how does "a"o display to you?
[14:57] <ndf> do you have that in ascii? what was it?
[14:57] <ndf> lol
[14:58] <ndf> ... or another screeny?
[14:58] <Myrtti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%84
[14:58] <Myrtti> lowercase a and o with diaresis
[14:59] <ndf> haha so apparently prefixing with " is as good as an umlaut/diaresis
[15:00] <ndf> this conversion must be coded by irssi or cygwin, I can't imagine cmd having that sort of switching for unrecognised symbols
[15:01] <ndf> cmd usually just doesn't print them or let you paste them in
[15:01] <ndf> in fact
[15:01] <ndf> I can't even paste in the dotted A from wikipedia
[15:01] <ndf> into here
[15:02] <ali1234> cygwin comes with it's own terminal emulator because command.com is awful
[15:02] <ndf> irssi is packaged with a stripped down version of putty, but also a cmd launcher (which I am using)
[15:02] <ndf> (irssi-win, that is)
[15:04] <ndf> [meaning you can either run it in cygwin's terminal, or cmd]
[15:05] <ndf> [or putty]
[16:12] <diddledan> WTF
[16:12] <diddledan> popey: ubuntu. really IS coming to windows
[16:12] <diddledan> just announced it at build
[16:13] <ali1234> of course it is
[16:13] <ndf> saywhuuuut
[16:15] <daftykins> well, Bash and binaries ;D
[16:15] <diddledan> yeah
[16:16]  * daftykins browses /mnt/c/ ;)
[16:16] <popey> :)
[16:16] <daftykins> error: path too long
[16:17] <ali1234> the question is what is it actually good for?
[16:17] <diddledan> ali1234: EVERYTHING I currently use Cygwin for!
[16:18] <ali1234> okay, but i haven't used cygwin since 2001?
[16:19] <daftykins> i don't think we were aware you use Windows for dev
[16:20] <daftykins> next step, package management ;)
[16:20] <ali1234> it won't be of any use for actual windows users
[16:20] <daftykins> i'm no dev but i'm sure things like that would make dealing with open source things more easily
[16:20] <daftykins> ali1234: right, but it's a dev event...
[16:20] <ali1234> exactly
[16:21] <ali1234> so this is aimed at developers who for some reason want to develop software for ubuntu even though they use windows?
[16:21] <daftykins> perhaps you can wait for the next consumer devices event and say it's rubbish for devs, too
[16:21] <daftykins> doesn't have anything to do with ubuntu specifically, i would say
[16:21] <ali1234> oh sorry. this is for developers who want to write software for *linux* even though they use windows exclusively
[16:21] <ali1234> i guess that's... well, maybe some game developers?
[16:22] <ali1234> but probably not, i mean you'd want to test it on the real thing anyway
[16:22] <daftykins> you're just embarassing yourself commenting without following along
[16:23] <ali1234> oh, are they explaining exactly what the use case is?
[16:23] <ali1234> maybe you could tell me then, instead of being a dick?
[16:25] <daftykins> diddledan: crikey that guy is sat on a tire
[16:25] <daftykins> ali1234: either watch it first hand or later.
[16:25] <daftykins> if being a dick is saying you're silly for commenting without knowing the facts, i don't have a problem with that.
[16:27] <popey> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html has the details.
[16:44] <ndf> but..
[16:44] <ndf> this is crazy
[16:46] <ndf> ok I'm impressed, didn't want to admit it
[16:51] <ndf> so essentially what I took away from the article was that it was the inverse of WINE... is it comparable?
[16:51] <popey> yes
[16:53] <daftykins> native SSH and SCP will be fun
[16:54] <ndf> hm
[16:54] <popey> yeah, and being able to run the usual bash scripts with awk / sed / tee etc without jumping through too many hoops
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> How is it different from what I can already use (msys2 that comes with git, for instance, has most tools as well)
[17:00] <daftykins> well the above article implies bringing over the package management as well, perhaps - unless i'm reading between the lines
[17:01] <daftykins> keeping those Canonical-sourced binaries up to date would be neat
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: msys2 (the standalone one) comes with pacman
[17:02] <daftykins> is it pulling specific builds of programs then?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, I think so
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> well msys2 is, anyway
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> DLLs and exes
[17:04] <daftykins> mmm, not quite so easy then
[17:05] <daftykins> diddledan: nothing like a joke flopping
[17:08] <diddledan> I've had to pause the stream cos I've gone round the parentals
[17:08] <daftykins> ah
[17:17] <diddledan> Just read the post popey linked at half five.. Interesting! It is the same binaries!!!?!
[17:17] <popey> yes
[17:37] <ali1234> all very impressive, but what problem does it solve?
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> the problem of developers leaving Windows behind
[17:47] <ali1234> that's my interpretation too
[17:47] <ali1234> essentially this seems to be aimed squarely at the type of people who buy a mac because it comes with ssh pre-installed
[17:48] <ali1234> buy a mac over windows i mean
[17:50] <daftykins> i work cross-platform and i think it makes the CLI tools i use more native in a way
[17:52] <ali1234> it certainly gives you a consistent environment
[17:52] <ali1234> if it is the exact same binaries
[17:52] <ali1234> is it cli only?
[17:53] <ali1234> dustin kirkland claims it will run most of the stuff in the repos
[17:53] <ali1234> "most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives"
[17:53] <ali1234> were the exact words
[17:54] <ali1234> maybe that will be done through mir
[17:54] <ali1234> would be funny. essentially locking out all other distros
[17:54] <ali1234> now that really would cause some drama
[17:55] <ali1234> as i understand it this thing is an extension of the windows 10 android app compatibility
[17:55] <ali1234> and of course mir is designed to run on android graphics drivers... which windows provides an emulated version of presumably
[19:53] <ali1234> seems like everyone is convinced that this is only for cli tools
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> evolution will kill outlook... :-)
[19:56] <popey> for now it is
[19:56] <ali1234> for now :)
[19:56] <popey> heh
[19:56] <ali1234> if mir can run on android hardware drivers i see no reason why it can't run on (whatever remains) of project astoria
[19:57] <daftykins> i thought that was an app converter
[19:58] <ali1234> no, it's (was) a "platform bridge"
[19:58] <ali1234> it's where the adss.sys/lxss.sys stuff comes from
[19:58] <ali1234> adss = android subsystem
[19:59] <ali1234> but they cancelled it last month
[19:59] <ali1234> the benefits of having solid command line tools are clear... for microsoft
[19:59] <ali1234> it will stop devops people migrating to OS X
[20:00] <ali1234> and to a lesser extent ubuntu
[20:00] <ali1234> so i don't see what canonical gets from the deal if it's only command line
[20:01] <ali1234> if it lets ubuntu (mobile) apps run on windows though... then that's a very different proposition
[20:04] <ali1234> so can anyone be a windows insider and download this?
[20:04] <ali1234> is it gonna cost me anything?
[20:05] <daftykins> yeah anyone can, no money
[20:05] <daftykins> just the whole having a Microsoft account to run it
[20:05] <ali1234> i already have two
[20:05] <daftykins> plus allegedly the insider versions log keystrokes
[20:05] <ali1234> i'm not going to use it for anything other than kicking the tyres :)
[20:06] <popey> heh
[20:07] <ali1234> the download page seems to suggest i need a licensed copy of windows already to install
[20:09] <daftykins> it was a straight ISO last time i did it
[20:09] <ali1234> yes it is, but is it gonna ask me for a serial when i boot it up?
[20:09] <daftykins> no because it's insider.
[20:10] <ali1234> i built my own computer, it does not have any kind of windows license or OEM bios stuff
[20:10] <daftykins> official retail 10 ISOs downloaded also do not require keys to install
[20:10] <daftykins> nor the last few versions
[20:10] <ali1234> really? wow
[20:10] <ali1234> no activation?
[20:10] <daftykins> well all the non-insider stuff goes to 30 day trial by default
[20:13] <daftykins> looks like they stopped hosting ISOs directly :/ how disappointing
[20:13] <daftykins> ah no i'm not in the right place
[20:21] <daftykins> yep they've made it tough to get!
[21:07] <directhex> the iso download only works from linux/osx
[21:07] <directhex> on windows, it gives you a .exe which does the downloading
[21:07] <daftykins> they seem to have pulled image links entirely
[21:07] <daftykins> oh are you saying you see a different page depending what you're viewing from?
[21:15] <ali1234> i definitely got a direct link to an iso from the insider page
[21:15] <ali1234> still hasn't downloaded though
[21:15] <ali1234> MS needs a better CDN
[21:17] <daftykins> heh
[21:17] <daftykins> might be that viewing it from 10 was limiting me
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> oculus face... http://www.popsci.com/oculus-face-is-sign-our-virtual-times
[22:48] <ndf> MooDoo / Myrtti : if either of you are around would you care to hit me with some more UTF-8 symbols again? lol
[22:48] <ndf> or anyone else could do it I guess lol
[22:48] <Myrtti> äö ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ £€
[22:48] <Myrtti> ♥
[22:48] <ndf> ah still the same
[22:48] <ndf> haha
[22:48] <ndf> never mind
[22:49] <ndf> I launched it in putty this time to see if it was any different
[22:49] <ndf> (cygterm)
[22:51] <ndf> aha I think I may have fixed it
[22:51] <ndf> once more please Myrtti ;P
[22:51] <Myrtti> ♥ €£ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ äöå
[22:51] <ndf> hm halfway fixed
[22:52] <ndf> probably requires restart of putty
[22:52] <Myrtti> (deg)
[22:52] <Myrtti> °
[22:52] <Myrtti> there we go
[22:52] <ndf> lol ty sorry for wasting your time ;P
[22:55] <m0nkey_> :)
[23:14] <ali1234> okay the download finished. now to load it in virtualbox
[23:30] <diddledan> the ubuntu bits aren't in the current build
[23:30] <diddledan> they're apparently coming in a short while to insiders
[23:30] <diddledan> maybe weeks
[23:31] <daftykins> i couldn't coax 10586 to find the 14xxx build when set to 'fast ring'
[23:31] <daftykins> so i said 'meh'
[23:31] <diddledan> there's a suggestion that the availability will be announced at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html
[23:31] <diddledan> wrong link
[23:31] <diddledan> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/
[23:53] <m0nkey_> ^-- me like


[13:35] <ManicPanic> Why does Puppy Linux use 150 MB's when idle and Lubuntu use 400 MB when idle. Is Lubuntu not supposed to be a very light version of Ubuntu ?
[14:33] <dzho> you could run top on each and see what's using memory
[14:34] <dzho> d'oh
[14:48] <leszek> a troll


[04:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:16] <xangua> Good midnight
[04:16] <xangua> Raining here
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> we had 2 weeks like 25-30 degrees here
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> off to work guys, have a nice1
[05:11] <Bashing-om> o/ lotuspsychje take care
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> ttyl Bashing-om ; )
[06:12] <ducasse> morning!
[09:49] <EriC^^> x
[10:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/kde-plasma-5-10-features
[17:19] <Bashing-om> Are we having fun, or what ?
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yeah its very fun :p
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: a bit slow started
[17:29] <Bashing-om> Ueah, so I see .. that in this cas id OK to be slow .. in/out for work outside . Got hot and bothered, come to irc :)
[17:29] <Bashing-om> case is OK *
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> i dont have power in the garden yet, so max 1h battery irc on laptop
[17:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: me being single minded like I am .. desktop system for me ... Kids got both lap tops I did mess around with :)
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: you got them ubuntu also?
[17:50] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Betcha ! Wife does Windows, I do not !
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:54] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Middle dayghter run Windows too on her lappie , I have warned her , " next time you get it back running ubuntu " .
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> with daddy's xubuntu
[18:07] <Bashing-om> Uh Huh !
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> falling asleep almost on the speed of main
[18:11] <Bashing-om> Well, my solution to ^ .. hack away at someone else's code while you wait for main :) ( one of these days I will make it work )


[09:12] <brendand> does anyone know the milestone at which the images go from being hosted on cdimage to being hosted on releases?
[09:12] <brendand> i see alpha1 is on cdimage. will alpha2 be?
[09:20] <cjwatson> brendand: we normally put betas on releases.u.c, not alphas
[09:21] <brendand> cjwatson, thanks. that would make the most sense. is there any sort of enforcement around that? will betas always be on releases?
[09:21] <cjwatson> Why are you asking?
[09:22] <cjwatson> It's currently implemented in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools publish-image-set.pyp
[09:22] <cjwatson> .py
[09:22] <cjwatson>     if 'alpha' in milestone:
[09:22] <cjwatson>         official = 'no'
[09:22] <cjwatson>     else:
[09:22] <cjwatson>         official = 'named'
[09:22] <brendand> good enough for me
[09:23] <brendand> it's for a script that needs to assemble url's to iso's as part of it's operation
[09:23] <cjwatson> OK
[09:54] <brendand> cjwatson, are there a fixed number of possible milestones?
[09:56] <cjwatson> brendand: No
[10:17] <Laney> I would appreciate it if people could comment on my proposal on list so that it can be rolled out before A2 freezes start if indeed we want it.
[10:18] <Laney> it would involve a DB change to LP, so the lead time is kind of long
[10:23] <tumbleweed> Laney: is this a safe change to make, before we can get -backports to build against packages in -backports?
[10:26] <Laney> I think the intended fix there is to have the buildds ignore it
[10:27] <Laney> and I believe infinity was going to do that, so maybe it is a simple matter of pokage
[11:07] <jamespage> please could someone reject 'simple-http' from the quantal NEW queue - uploaded with a crufty orig.tar.bz2
[11:24] <seb128> jamespage, done
[11:24] <jamespage> thanks seb128!
[11:24] <seb128> yw
[13:40] <stgraber> mute tracker
[13:40] <stgraber> mute
[13:40] <stgraber> unmute tracker
[13:41] <stgraber> ^ upgraded to the multi-threaded version, should be lower latency for queue monitoring and when controling the mute entries
[13:54] <xnox> stgraber: =))))
[13:59] <highvoltage> stgraber: I guess LP bug 1013172 is a security bug?
[14:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: no, just private
[14:08] <highvoltage> ah right I guess since it might contain passwords
[14:09] <stgraber> highvoltage: and it's public now as it doesn't contain anything private that I could see
[14:09] <highvoltage> stgraber: I think it might contain passwords entered in ubiquity
[14:10] <stgraber> highvoltage: no, ubiquity wasn't running in debug mode, so the debconf transactions aren't logged and IIRC even when it's in debug mode, the passwords are stripped
[14:11] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok great
[14:12] <stgraber> highvoltage: oh, I see the problem. cjwatson ported ubiquity-bluetooth-agent to python3 but didn't add a dependency on python3-gobject
[14:12] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'll quickly test that it's indeed the only missing bit and will add the dependency if that's the case
[14:17] <highvoltage> stgraber: k
[14:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: no such thing as python3-gobject
[14:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: needs to be ported to gi
[14:20] <stgraber> cjwatson: yeah, I just noticed. Moving it to Gobject from gi.repository
[14:20] <cjwatson> (which looks like it should be easy)
[14:20] <cjwatson> but yeah, my bad for not noticing that
[14:20] <cjwatson> stgraber: "IIRC even when it's in debug mode, the passwords are stripped" sadly not
[14:20] <cjwatson> (well, unless I've forgotten something)
[14:24] <stgraber> cjwatson: that's too bad, though at least it's easy to check in the logs whether they're running in debug mode or not and carefuly check then...
[14:25] <stgraber> cjwatson: "from gi.repository import GObject as gobject" did the trick, same API
[14:25] <cjwatson> Good, but no need to use 'as gobject', you can just change the single place where it's used
[14:26] <cjwatson> Sorry, two places
[14:27] <stgraber> indeed :)
[14:33] <stgraber> could someone review my -proposed upload of nagios-plugins in hardy-proposed, it's been waiting in the queue for 10 days now?
[14:35] <xnox> stgraber: review or SRU verify?
[14:36] <stgraber> xnox: just review and let through to -proposed. Verification is easy, I have 15 machines hitting the bug every day :)
[14:36] <xnox> stgraber: ok =))))
[14:36] <stgraber> so I just need to upgrade them to that package and check that I don't get angry e-mail from Nagiosafter that
[14:37]  * xnox has stopped reading automatic email from my server.... maybe I should make them less verbose
[14:38] <stgraber> yeah, I have adopted a policy of fixing the source of the e-mail rather than ignoring them, monitoring is pointless if you don't read the notifications :)
[16:46] <henrix> infinity: hi. could you take a look at the hardy kernel, to copy it into -proposed?
[16:46] <henrix> infinity: bug #1012143
[16:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1012143 in linux "linux: 2.6.24-31.102 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012143
[16:48] <infinity> henrix: I thought you guys were doing the proposed copies yourselves these days (except where we need to clean up overrides after the fact)
[16:48] <infinity> henrix: But this one shouldn't need override tidying, as there's no ABI bump.
[16:48] <henrix> infinity: well, i know we execute the copy-proposed-kernel.py script, but that alone doesn't do the job, does it?
[16:49] <henrix> infinity: i believe brad executed that script on this kernel already anyway
[16:50] <henrix> infinity: (i don't actually have upload rights, so i can't run the script. but i can bug other guys on the stable team to do... something...?)
[16:50] <infinity> henrix: copy-proposed-kernel.py is all that should be required in this case.
[16:50] <henrix> infinity: hmm, ok. so maybe brad forgot to run it on this kernel.
[16:51] <henrix> infinity: so, i'll ping him again to run it.
[16:51] <henrix> infinity: thanks
[16:51] <infinity> henrix: I can just do it right now.
[16:52] <infinity> henrix: Was just pointing out that you guys can, and have been. :)
[16:52] <henrix> infinity: yeah, i knew we were able to run that script but i though something else had to be done by an AA
[16:52] <infinity> henrix: AAs need to intervene post-script-run if there's an ABI bump (because the new packages land in universe)
[16:52] <henrix> infinity: but it looks like this is only needed for kernels that require the overrides
[16:53] <infinity> henrix: For non-ABI-changing uploads (like this one), we don't need to get involved.
[16:53] <henrix> infinity: ok, got it. thanks for the clarification.
[16:53] <infinity> henrix: Oh, hah.
[16:53] <infinity> henrix: It could be that the script has been run a few times and no one has accepted it from UNAPPROVED.
[16:53] <infinity> :P
[16:54] <infinity> La la la.
[16:54] <infinity> Done.
[16:54] <henrix> infinity: heh :)
[16:54] <henrix> infinity: cool, thanks! :)
[16:54] <infinity> Sorry, this is a rather Mondayish Monday.
[16:54] <henrix> infinity: yeah, similar problem here!
[18:51]  * slangasek blinks
[18:51] <slangasek> 2012-06-18 18:50:40 ERROR   Cross-PARTNER copies are not allowed.
[18:51] <slangasek> what's that about?
[18:53] <slangasek> hmm, apparently requires --to-partner with it, ok