 Go eat worms or something >.>
[00:33] <dmcglone> haha
[00:34]  * Cheri703 got business twitter account set up...haven't posted anything yet though
[00:35] <dmcglone> I got one and never have any news to post :-/
[00:35] <BiosElement> Aww
[00:41] <canthus13> Meh twitter.
[00:41] <Cheri703> yeah, overall I'm meh about it, but I plan to at least somewhat document my UDS experience there
[00:43] <Cheri703> hehe, I googled "I want to get stuff done, but I don't" and the first result was one of my favorite posts of all the internet: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html
[00:43] <BiosElement> UDS is awesome, but eh, I'm not sure how useful it is.
[00:43] <BiosElement> >.>
[00:43]  * BiosElement is a traitor to the cause
[00:45] <dmcglone> google compulsive procrastination ;-)
[00:46] <Cheri703> yeah, probably
[00:52] <BiosElement> Hah
[00:55] <dmcglone> Ok listen up, listen up, we all know it cost a heck of a lot of money to use Windows, which means if you use windows it keeps you in the poorhouse, but on the other hand using Linux is free and you get to keep your money in your pocket am I correct??
[00:57] <dmcglone> well I tried to use Internet Explorer to do a checkout on Amazon with my credit card and an error box popped up and said "get a job", So I switched over to firefox and a box popped up and said "Welcome back Donald Trump!"
[00:59] <dmcglone> Ok it sucked! get over it!  :P
[01:03] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:03] <dmcglone> trolls are cute
[01:06] <BiosElement> >.>
[01:06]  * dmcglone is (pa)trolling
[01:06] <dmcglone> :-p
[01:07] <dmcglone> Whats up Unit193
[01:08] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone
[01:08] <dmcglone> I'm just sitting here (pa)trolling the room
[01:09] <dmcglone> BiosElement: had me under his mind control and Is causing me to neglect my duties
[01:09] <BiosElement> hah sure I am
[01:10] <dmcglone> everybody loves a troll
[01:10] <BiosElement> We do?
[01:10] <dmcglone> Ok, anyway, is a new netbook edition of Ubuntu coming out with the next release?
[01:11] <dmcglone> or will it just be a desktop edition?
[01:11] <BiosElement> Best guess: Just desktop, with a netbook GUI. But Don't quote me
[01:11] <BiosElement> *notebook
[01:12] <BiosElement> It's intended to compress a spinoff into a single disc, since the difference is small.
[01:12] <Unit193> BiosElement: I see why you like Cherokee
[01:12] <BiosElement> Unit193: Awesome.    No, I know a distro that's adding it an alt manager
[01:37] <dmcglone> I wonder if it's what I was watching on yourtube
[02:57] <canthus13> Woo. this rocks. :)
[02:57] <canthus13> http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/04/9-percent-data-center-cooling-energy-reduction-fluid-submerged-servers-mineral-oil.php
[05:06] <Cheri703> \o/ just found out that a handful of other ubuntu folks will be on my flight to budapest :) including husband of a friend :)
[05:11] <Unit193> I'm already tired...  I swiped one from a guy's desk here, and I"ve been sending pictures of Sully to him from various places.. I wanted to get some shots of him in Belgium. :)
[22:26] <canthus13> err. Wherever UDS is. :)
[22:26] <Cheri703> heh, it's hungary! but my dad will be in belgium in june :)
[22:26] <Cheri703> eh, toss it in the mail, I'd be happy to take it with me :)
[22:26] <Cheri703> or take a pic of it, and I could cut it out or something
[22:26] <canthus13> Heh. I meant hungary. :)  Hmm.... Ok. email me your address and I'll send it to ya.
[22:27] <canthus13> it's my nick at gmail
[22:27] <Cheri703> fb messaged it to you
[22:28] <canthus13> Cool. I'll toss a sully in the mail soon.  When do you leave?
[22:28] <Cheri703> if there is any way to identify it as HIS sully, that'd be good too, because otherwise it could be ANY sully
[22:28] <Cheri703> I fly out may 7th
[22:29] <canthus13> Ok. I'll have him to you before then.
[22:29] <Cheri703> kk
[22:35] <Cheri703> are you going to the thing columbus?
[22:35] <Cheri703> *in
[22:45] <canthus13> Nope. Working.
[22:45] <Cheri703> k


[13:14] <smoser> smb, apw thanks for help on bug 1618572
[13:15] <apw> smoser, smb did the donkey work :)
[13:15] <smb> oik!
[13:16] <smoser> is oik the word that donkeys say in german ?
[13:16]  * smoser thinks of what does the fox say
[13:17] <smb> not exactly. I read monkey ...
[13:17] <apw> that doesn't seem very onnamatapaeic
[13:19] <smb> though then it probably should have been ook? ... need to read up what the librarian of the unseen university usually said...
[20:45] <iskren> we're running ubuntu lts 16.04.1, and are affected by : https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/3/17/570, merged here: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/commit/?h=v4.4.16&id=43b1bfec0e2d57497718fd01f7151b2c78de99fc released in kernel 4.4.16. In your next kernel merge cycle is this going in? We're currently on 4.4.0-34
[21:02] <apw> iskren, 4.4.0-34.54 already contains 4.4.16 stable update
[21:03] <bjf> iskren, that particular commit _is_ tagged Ubuntu-4.4.0-35.54
[21:04] <bjf> iskren, so it's there now and in the kernel making it's way through the pipe
[21:19] <apw> 4.4.0-36.55 is in -security/-updates already if rmadision is to be believed


[23:29] <TheProf> Hello - I am hoping someone can help with a small question please.  I've tried the Twitter module to get a global Twitter block but I seem to be unable to do so.  The twitter feed is unprotected and doesn't need a password.  Is there another solution or a  better, simpler solution for getting a basic twitter block please?
[23:35] <RobotGrrl> TheProf: Protect your tweets? ;)
[23:36] <TheProf> RobotGrrl: Hello.  I'm making the site for someone else so I don't think that's an option.
[23:46] <RobotGrrl> TheProf: Sorry, might have misunderstood!
[23:46] <TheProf> RobotGrrl: No problem.  I just want a block to show tweets. Ideas?
[23:47] <RobotGrrl> TheProf: Ooohh, I see! There is a standard Twitter module around. You can probably find it on their site- or is that not what you are looking for?
[23:48] <TheProf> RobotGrrl: I did try that same twitter module but it doesn't work unfortunately. I am not sure what I am doing wrong.
[23:48] <RobotGrrl> TheProf: Maybe Twitter was fail whaling at that time? It's rather temperamental these days
[23:49] <RobotGrrl> TheProf: There are PHP scripts around that can display tweets in plain text around the internet
[23:49] <TheProf> RobotGrrl: I'm not sure since I can have twitter open in another window and it works.  I do also get an error message from Drupal so I don't think it's twitter.
[23:49] <TheProf> RobotGrrl: do you have a link to an example one perhaps?
[23:50] <RobotGrrl> TheProf: I can check what one I use for my site and get back to you in an hour if that works (have to do a robot webcast soon) :-)
[23:50] <TheProf> RobotGrrl: if you could do that, that would be greatly appreciated!


[19:15] <slangasek> is anybody else seeing a problem with latest kernels in trusty where filesystems are filling up with invisible usage, that clears up on reboot?
[19:17] <slangasek> (problem seen with 3.13.0-4-generic; have just rebooted to 3.13.0-5-generic, waiting to see if the problem manifests again)
[20:00] <jarkko> i would like to ask why ubuntu maintains the kernel themselfs
[20:07] <Faux> jarkko: Relative to what?
[20:08] <jarkko> i just want to know why ubuntu maintains the kernel themself
[20:08] <jarkko> or is it just backportig drivers?
[20:09] <ogra_> jarkko, every distro does that ... you need to do packaging and testing to make sure it works in context of the rest of the distro
[20:09] <jarkko> really?
[20:09] <antarus> The kernel configuration process is pretty complicated, and there are lots of decisions ot be made
[20:10] <ogra_> (and you will also find that every distro maintains its own kernel config)
[20:10] <antarus> what features work, what features don't work, what features make sense for Ubuntu, what features do not
[20:10] <ogra_> right
[20:10] <jarkko> so basically the same kernel can be very different on other distro?
[20:10] <ogra_> yes
[20:10] <ogra_> well, differently configured
[20:10] <antarus> and differently patched
[20:11] <ogra_> right
[20:11] <jarkko> never thought that
[20:11] <antarus> although sharing (or poaching) patchsets is pretty common ;p
[20:11] <jarkko> well i have compiled kernel few times and noticed lots of things i have no idea
[20:11] <miseria> "dicen, que el ser humano es un programa del universo; ¿sera que la muerte es solo un cambio de actividades?" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[20:11] <jarkko> i mean the config
[20:12] <ogra_> jarkko, fedora builds all its security in userspace around selinux ... ubuntu does the same with apparmor ... you cant have bot that the same time enabled in the kernel ...
[20:12] <ogra_> just as an example
[20:12] <ogra_> s/that the/at the/
[20:15] <jarkko> do you have any opinion replacing iptables?
[20:16] <ogra_> not really ...
[20:16] <ogra_> i dont use it
[20:18] <ogra_> (not really necessary on ubuntu ... ports only get opened if a userspace process listens on them, in ubuntu there is a "no open ports by default" policy so the risk is pretty low)
[20:18] <jarkko> really?
[20:19] <ogra_> (unless you explicitly install something that is supposed to listen indeed ... like a webserver ... but then you should know that port 80 is open for it)
[20:19] <jarkko> how can i confirm that?
[20:19] <ogra_> use another machine ... get familiar with nmap and scan your ubuntu install from there
[20:21] <ogra_> a default desktop install will only have DHCP and MDNS open ...
[20:24] <jarkko> does every kernel release need hard patching?
[20:27] <ogra_> thats something you should ask the kernel team during the workweek ... they are rarely around on weekends ;)


 https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-and-open-source
 🤷♂
 So they decided to pretend that they did not have any plans to make Qt releases commercial :)
 Is there any command to pull build logs from a PPA?
 @RikMills @tsimonq2 5.12.8 status update: I made a good progress today. In case someone wants to continue the work during european night, then: … - Some rebuilds may already be started. … - Some Qt packages are not yet uploaded: qtgamepad, qtvirtualkeyboard, qttranslations, qtimageformats, qtserialbus, qtdatavis3d, qtspeech — these do
 Please do not upload anything that depends on qtwebengine yet. I forgot to bump the ABI version and will do in the next upload. Also please don't upload qttools yet, I want to wait for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-10/1:10.0.0-2ubuntu2/+build/19128076 to succeed.
 (Packages are in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4005/+packages)
 Thanks. I annoyingly managed to get waylaid doing other things . Hopefully can really get on with things in the morning


[04:31] <gpled> hello
[04:32] <nathwill> hello
[04:33] <gpled> so for some unknown reason, i lost my eth0.  i booted from a live cd, and it works. running 12.10
[04:34] <nathwill> interesting
[04:34] <gpled> ifconfig does not show any network devices
[04:34] <nathwill> do anything weird to config recently?
[04:35] <gpled> i did install a package called arping, but dont think that is it.  uninstalled it. no help
[04:35] <gpled> it feels like i need to load a network mod
[04:36] <nathwill> try restarting network-manager?
[04:36] <nathwill> ^have you...
[04:37] <gpled> how do i restart the network-manager?
[04:37] <nathwill> sudo service network-manager restart
[04:38] <gpled> no luck.  ifconfig only shows lo device
[04:38] <nathwill> hrm... you check dmesg yet?
[04:43] <gpled> dont see anything that jumps out in dmesg. but there is lots of info in there
[04:44] <nathwill> try to filter it for eth-related msgs? dmesg | grep -i eth
[04:45] <nathwill> and just for lulz... is the 'enable networking' checkbox enabled under the network status icon?
[04:46] <gpled> missing the network status icon.  thinking because it does not think i have any network devices
[04:48] <nathwill> hmmm... seems like it should be there anyhow..
[04:48] <nathwill> what if you run: nm-applet &
[04:49] <nathwill> this is stock ubuntu desktop, right?
[04:51] <gpled> as in from ubuntu cd, yes
[04:52] <gpled> going to boot live cd again, and do lsmod
[04:52] <gpled> see if i can spot what mod is not loading
[04:52] <nathwill> g'luck.
[04:52] <nathwill> if you can't get it sorted, may want to send an email to the mailing list


[00:19] <Velmont> INTREPID: Hello, -- programs keep crashing. However, when I press the report button in Apport - I finally get to launchpad, there I see many others have the same problem, and I give up. -- Is there a better way? A way of saying "me too" that's easy and will link my infrmation with the other bug? Is my info even uploaded to launchpad? Very often I just go on working when I see there are 10 other bug reports already.
[00:20] <beuno> Velmont, there's a feature in beta already that does exactly that
[00:20] <beuno> members of the beta testers team are already using it  :)
[00:21] <beuno> feel free to apply to the team: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers
[00:27] <Velmont> beuno: Great. That will probably help much. I guess since I'm having a problem with it many others have as well ;-) It'll probably even better show what bugs are being triggered often. Bug reporting is a dense jungle, great that you are making it easier.
[00:28] <Velmont> I can wait for the feature to roll in. I just like feeling helpful when pressing the  "report crash" button, but feel let down when I actually can't help quick and easy as I want. -- I'm in the process of writing/delivering an exam now so I shouldn't be reporting bugs nor chat on IRC :P
[00:29] <beuno> hehe
[00:29] <beuno> well, the fact that the bug has already been reported
[00:29] <beuno> actually means there's a greater chance it will be fixed soon
[00:29] <beuno> I love it when I go to report something and it's already there  :)
[00:33] <stgraber> beuno: btw, from an UI point of view I'm not sure it's the best place for the "me too" link
[00:33] <stgraber> beuno: I didn't notice it until you mentioned it :)
[00:33] <beuno> stgraber, intellectronica has a branch that will make it easier to find
[00:33] <beuno> so, I agree
[00:34] <beuno> I've complained
[00:34] <beuno> and intellectronica did his magic
[00:34] <stgraber> cool
[00:34] <beuno> so, a fix soon, in a Launchpad near you
[01:22] <adamsgtorl> t
[01:22] <adamsgtorl> T
[04:37] <Hobbsee> for the record, can i say those calendar buttons for registering yourself at a sprint look right out of windows 3.1, and should be changed?
[04:42]  * wgrant waits for HTML5.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> Hmmm.  is PPA / soyuz actually working?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> my build is queued, but still is'nt being taken - and there's 2 / many buildds actually building something.
[07:24] <cody-somerville> link?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: https://edge.launchpad.net/~hobbsee/+archive/+build/732927
[07:30] <Hobbsee> cprov1: do you know why this is happening?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> wow.  35.773 second page load.
[07:36] <Hobbsee> still dead...
[07:43] <cody-somerville> Is gstreamer suppose to take 21 hours to build?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> i don't think so...
[07:44] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: i'ts not supposed to take 2 days, either.
[07:44] <cody-somerville> ouch, yea
[07:45] <cody-somerville> the build seems to have stopped but the buildd thinks its still going
[07:45] <Hobbsee> buildds may well have timed out
[07:45] <cody-somerville> okay
[07:45]  * Hobbsee smites Cancel (13). Not implemented yet.
[07:45] <cody-somerville> ppa buildds seem to be working again
[07:47] <cody-somerville> Although I'm not impressed with the wait times for builds to start
[07:47] <persia> I've encountered a bit of a UI overlap : http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lpuiod4.png : is this a bug, or should I not be using LP like this?
[07:48] <Hobbsee> oh good, thanks for poking ppa buildds.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> excellent.  it even built.
[08:01] <BjornT_> persia: that's a bug. i suspect the fix will be to remove that page, and incorporate it with the normal +filebug.
[08:04] <persia> BjornT_, Umm.  That page remains the sane means of filing bugs.  Will this include some other changes to the UI to still have a simple interface?
[08:10] <BjornT_> persia: well, the only thing that +filebug-advanced provides is the possibility to specify tags. it also reduces the number of page loads by skipping the search for duplicates. i assume that you're concerned about the number of page loads, right?
[08:10] <persia> And the ability to enter tags directly (which is also about page loads).
[08:12] <BjornT_> persia: right. but by incorporating +filebug-advanced into +filebug, i meant making it possible to enter tags there. we'll be redesigning the ui to take advantage of ajax, which should reduce the number of page loads.
[08:13] <persia> BjornT_, Oh, excellent news then : that probably saves me the page load of clicking "Give me the complicated bug filing interface" or whatever the link is called now :)
[08:17] <det> Can I make a ppa build use a build dependancy that is in hardy-backports ?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> no
[08:18] <Hobbsee> grab the dependancy you want, and build it in your ppa
[08:19] <Hobbsee> then upload whatever depends on it.
[08:19] <det> yoko
[08:19] <det> see pm
[08:19] <YokoZar> just saw that :)
[08:19] <YokoZar> Thanks for being one step ahead of me, heh
[08:19] <det> kk :-)
[08:19] <det> nothing in pm then
[08:19] <YokoZar> err basically I have to do this the hard way
[08:20] <YokoZar> would be nice if there were a virtual "backports ppa" that I could use the copy packages button on
[08:20] <YokoZar> especially since backports could depend on other backports
[08:24] <det> How to handle the source package signing? Do you have to change the maintainer, or is there another way ?
[08:28] <NCommander> det, debuild -k*keyid*
[08:29] <det> ahh, thanks
[08:42] <YokoZar> You do, however, need to do a dch -i in order to change "hardy-backports" back to "hardy"
[08:43] <YokoZar> Honestly it would be so much nicer if I could just depend on backports
[08:51] <det> Although that might pull in packages you dont want
[08:51] <det> I like your suggestion of a ppa to copy packages from
[09:12] <oly-> hi, can some one tell me if there is a way to link existing blueprints into other projects when there related ?
[09:31] <liw> hi. how can I change the e-mail address launchpad has for me?
[09:32] <liw> https://launchpad.net/~liw has a "Change details" link, but that doesn't let me change e-mail
[09:33] <wgrant> liw: Edit Emails in the menu on "Change details"
[09:33] <liw> ah yes
[09:33] <liw> I did not notice the _fourth_ level of horizontal menus at the top
[09:33] <liw> thanks
[09:34] <wgrant> Hmm, if only kiko were here.
[09:34] <wgrant> They were recently made black to make them more obvious.
[09:34] <wgrant> But it apparently didn't work.
[09:34] <liw> hmm
[09:35] <liw> I type<EMAIL_ADDRESS>into the "Add new address" box, and press Enter, and I get an error saying<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is already set as your contact address"
[09:36] <wgrant> liw: Click "Add".
[09:36] <wgrant> I suspect the form's default submit button is bad.
[09:36] <liw> yeah, but pressing enter should do the same thing
[09:36] <liw> "The email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is already registered to Lars Wirzenius. If you think that is a duplicated account, you can merge it into your account." -- hmph
[09:36] <det> Does the ppa use build dependencies from your own ppa ?
[09:36] <liw> it does not list that for me
[09:36] <wgrant> det: Yes.
[09:36] <wgrant> liw: You probably have another account.
[09:37] <wgrant> Click the link.
[09:37] <wgrant> (that will happen if you upload a package referencing an unlinked email address)
[09:38] <liw> ok, done
[11:18] <Peng_> Augh, why does LP's mirroring program think it gets "Connection refused" from me? It seems to have started 2 days ago.
[11:18] <Peng_> ...And why does it seem to be true, at least some times? It said it tried again 9 minutes ago and my logs don't show it.
[11:28] <spiv> Peng_: that's a good question.  I have no idea.  Bug abentley, mwhudson or jml until you find out :)
[11:30] <Peng_> Yeah, I usually bug jml about these things. :)
[11:30] <Peng_> spiv: Think I should file an answer or something?
[11:40] <kiko_> morning morning
[11:41] <wgrant> kiko_: Apparently black doesn't make the menus a whole lot better...
[11:41] <wgrant> 19:31:52 < liw> hi. how can I change the e-mail address launchpad has for me?
[11:41] <wgrant> 19:32:19 < liw> https://launchpad.net/~liw has a "Change details" link, but that doesn't let me change e-mail
[11:41] <wgrant> 19:33:30 < wgrant> liw: Edit Emails in the menu on "Change details"
[11:41] <wgrant> 19:33:37 < liw> ah yes
[11:41] <wgrant> 19:33:46 < liw> I did not notice the _fourth_ level of horizontal menus at the top
[11:41] <kiko_> how about that
[11:42] <wgrant> And of course it's actually "E-mail settings", but the URL isn't.
[11:42] <wgrant> Oops.
[11:57] <Peng_> Haha, someone else already filed a bug for my smart server issue.
[12:11] <Peng_> Is there a bug for "the branch mirror program cannot mirror branches over bzr+http when they aren't pack-0.92"?
[12:11] <Peng_> (Or maybe just when they're incompatible with pack-0.92, e.g. rich-root-pack.)
[12:13] <Peng_> Man, how many different ways have I broken the puller now? 4? 5?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: whatever you did for the PPAs earlier, can you do it again please?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> (pitti in -devel is having similar problems)
[13:57] <zooko> Should I try upgrading to a newer version of the launchpad-trac integration plugin?
[14:39] <mrevell> gmb:  Can you help zooko?
[14:43] <gmb> zooko: Hi. I was just about to reply to your comment on question 46871, in fact.
[14:43] <gmb> zooko: There's a bug in Launchpad that currently preventing it from authenticating with your Trac instance.
[14:43] <zooko> :-)
[14:43] <zooko> I'm cooking breakfast and helping my son with his homework...
[14:44] <gmb> zooko: That bug's now bee fixed (bug 278276) but it's not made its way onto the production servers.
[14:44] <gmb> I'll be checking that it works on staging this afternoon; once I know that it works I'll let you know what needs to happen next. You shouldn't have to do anything, though.
[14:45] <zooko> Great!  Thanks.
[14:45] <zooko> Chat later.
[14:54] <Peng_> Good morning. :)
[16:16] <CardinalFang> Hi all.  https://code.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-6.0-bugteam    "out of date".   Has lp moved its downloader, perhaps?
[16:16] <CardinalFang> I think we restrict access based on address.
[16:16] <kiko_> CardinalFang, hmmm, what do you mean?
[16:17] <CardinalFang> kiko_, See the warning?
[16:17] <kiko_> ah, indeeed
[16:18] <kiko_> yeah, something on the far end
[16:18] <CardinalFang> kiko_, I'm the far end.  Have lp moved addresses lately?
[16:18] <kiko_> CardinalFang, they did indeed, they did indeed.
[16:19] <kiko_> herb, can you help CardinalFang out with the new IP addresses for codehost?
[16:19] <CardinalFang> Ah!  What should I punch in my firewall?
[16:19] <kiko_> CardinalFang, what number do you currently have?
[16:19] <CardinalFang> Eh, no idea.
[16:20] <herb> kiko_, CardinalFang: It's <IP_ADDRESS>.
[16:26] <CardinalFang> herb, Is a cidr net smarter?  Do you envision sharding?  Perhaps all that is nat'd away anyway?
[16:27] <herb> CardinalFang: I do envision sharding, but we don't yet have a plan or timetable on that.  If you have the option I'd put the entire /24 in the firewall.
[16:28] <CardinalFang> Thanks.
[16:53] <leonel> hello :  I'm porting a package from debian to hardy  and  I'd like to keep updated in my ppa, do I need to change the   XSBC-Original-Maintainer field ??
[16:53]  * sinzui looks
[16:57] <sinzui> leonel: I do not believe you do. Updating the debian/changelog appears to be required.
[16:58] <Hew> Hi. I seem get kicked off my launchpad login shortly after I start doing things with bugs in the Gufw project (the only launchpad project I really use, other than Ubuntu). I heard there was a similar problem with feeds doing this a while ago when I had this problem, but I'm still experiencing it. Is this a known issue? I can't find an open bug about it.
[17:00] <sinzui> Hew: The feeds issue (specifically relating to branch feeds) is fixed.
[17:02] <Hew> sinzui: Should I report a bug about this issue then? I'm using edge. I've had this happen about 5 times now, and it only happens when interacting with this project (I otherwise spend a lot of time on Ubuntu bugs, and have never been logged out there).
[17:03] <sinzui> Hew: I'm looking into this now. Are using feeds, or are you using the launchpad UI
[17:03] <Hew> sinzui: Launchpad UI. I have never used Launchpad feeds, apart from having the feed icon appear in firefox for them.
[17:04] <sinzui> thanks
[17:05] <sinzui> Hew: you were commenting some bugs, and were logged out after each bug? or just after some period?
[17:07] <sinzui> Hew: what browser are your using? Do you know what your cookie policy is?
[17:07] <Hew> sinzui: In previous cases I have gone to submit a comment (I can see I am logged in), but it then sends me to a page saying I am unauthorised, and I need to log in again. This time I actually noticed I was logged out (I was using mutiple tabs and had already commented).
[17:08] <sinzui> Hew: interesting. Are you a beta tester who also uses edge.launchpad.net?
[17:09] <Hew> sinzui: I'm using firefox (abrowser), and my cookie policy is the default. I am quite sure this is a problem with gufw or projects in general, as I spend 95% of my time triaging Ubuntu bugs, and the logouts only occur when doing things with gufw
[17:09] <Hew> sinzui: Yes. https://edge.launchpad.net/~hew
[17:10] <sinzui> The guwf project is data, it cannot influence Launchpad, but Launchpad can do some strange things to beta users
[17:10] <Hew> sinzui: Yes, I suspect if I started commenting on bugs in other projects, the same thing would occur.
[17:11] <sinzui> Hew: It may be the case that you are not logged in one host, so you are being bounced between them and seeing different states. I personally see this?
[17:13] <sinzui> Hew: visit https://edge.launchpad.net/, then https://launchpad.net/ to confirm you are logged in in both
[17:13] <Hew> sinzui: I am logged into both
[17:16] <sinzui> Hew: I assume you were working on edge when this happened. Am I right?
[17:16] <Hew> sinzui: Correct
[17:17] <leonel> sinzui: I've edited the  changelog   thank you
[17:23] <sinzui> Hew: I'm commenting on some bug and will watch the clock. How much time elapsed when you saw the problem?
[17:24] <Hew> sinzui: From being logged out to noticing it? Hmm, could have been less than a minute, maybe two or three?
[17:24] <sinzui> OK
[17:28] <sinzui> Hew. I cannot reproduce the problem.
[17:30] <sinzui> Hew: What is the expiration date for the launchpad.net edge cookie? I am looking at Menu > Edit > Preferences > Privacy > Show Cookies
[17:30] <Hew> sinzui: It doesn't seem to happen immediately, or even for each comment. I can sometimes post multiple comments without being logged out.
[17:30]  * Hew checks
[17:30]  * sinzui nods
[17:32] <Hew> sinzui: Fri 09 Oct 2009 03:22:19 EST
[17:32] <sinzui> Hew: Are you running any plugins?
[17:34]  * sinzui recalls very bad interactions with firebug and Moin openid login pages
[17:34] <Hew> sinzui: Not really, I have ubufox, adblock, flashblock, netusage
[17:34] <Hew> sinzui: I also have greasemonkey disabled which I don't use. It may have been enabled in the past but I don't think so, and it wasn't enabled just now.
[17:36] <sinzui> Hew: we can isolate  session/preferences/plugins by running another profile
[17:36] <sinzui>     firefox -P test
[17:36] <sinzui> will create a new profile that you can try to see if the problem continues.
[17:37] <Hew> sinzui: I'll play around on staging for a bit then
[17:39] <sinzui> Hew: right...I should have been smart enough to suggest that too. :)
[17:39] <Hew> hehe
[17:58] <leonel> I have my gpg key  in one machine  and the packages I've build  are in another  do I need to  rebuild and sign the packages so I can Upload to my ppa ???
[17:58] <bigjools> leonel: man debrsign
[18:01] <Hew> sinzui: I've tried everything I can think of, multiple times, but it won't log me off anymore :-(
[18:01] <leonel> bigjools: Sweet  !  thanks
[18:02] <Hew> sinzui: I guess I'll just come back here if/when it kicks me of edge again. I'll pay more attention to what I'm doing when it happens.
[18:02] <leonel> bigjools: Do I need to sign the package to upload to ppa ?
[18:02] <sinzui> Hew: staging and edge are not 100% the same this week...
[18:02] <bigjools> leonel: yes
[18:03] <sinzui> Hew: You may want to try your default profile and the tester profile on edge the next time you work bugs to compare the experience.
[18:03] <Hew> sinzui: Hmm ok. It seems to happen fairly randomly, but always around when I comment on gufw (which is a small fraction of my launchpad time)
[18:03] <Hew> sinzui: Ah yes, ok
[18:07] <Hew> sinzui: Thanks for your assistance looking into this problem, you've been very helpful :-)
[18:08] <Hew> I'm off now, I'll probably be back next time I get logged out, haha
[19:09] <sidnei> hello there, i've setup a remote bug watch but pasted in the wrong url. there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the wrong remote bug watch: i pasted in the correct url and now i have two watches :(
[19:10] <sidnei> dang, and one second after saying that i figure out what the yellow icon stands for
[19:10] <exarkun> icons are hard
[19:11] <sidnei> even harder when inconsistent :(
[19:12] <sinzui> And you don't see them if they are used everywhere.
[19:17] <qebab> Hey guys, any plans to make it possible for lp to import git projects anytime soon?
[19:19] <sinzui> qebab: I do not think we plan that  for this year. The topic comes up often. Let m ask someone with more knowledge.
[19:19] <qebab> sinzui: Thanks :)
[19:33] <kiko> sinzui, it's actually on the 3.0 plan
[19:36] <sinzui> qebab: ^ we intend to support git for 3.0, which is a goal o next year. That means the feature may be available before then sine we release new features every month. It will definitely appear in the announcements on the Launchpad front page when the feature is available.
[19:38] <qebab> sinzui: Thanks a lot :)
[19:38] <pro-rsoft> can some admin remove the "1.8.x" and "1.7.x" series in the project "panda3d" ?
[19:39] <sinzui> pro-rsoft: I will make the request.
[19:39] <pro-rsoft> sinzui, thanks
[19:41]  * sinzui really must add subscribe a user to a question.
[19:59] <leonel> I got this  error  when uploading to my ppa  Unable to find cherokee_0.9.3.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution   How do I upload  the  .orig.tar.gz ??
[20:00] <cprov> leonel: build the source with `debuild -S -sa`
[20:00] <leonel> cprov: thanks  that was missing ..
[20:00] <cprov> leonel: np.
[21:19] <cody-somerville> Hobbsee, ping
[21:25] <mdke> is anyone around who can delete a pot template currently in the import queue which I uploaded to the wrong place?
[21:27] <Rinchen> mdke, I might be (haven't tried my super powers there yet).  URL?
[21:27]  * sinzui looks in awe at Rinchen
[21:28] <mdke> Rinchen: well, there isn't really a url for the specific template as far as I can see. The relevant queue filter is - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ubuntu-docs/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=pot
[21:28] <mdke> it's the first item on that screen
[21:30] <mdke> I got "There are 19 errors" when I tried to delete it
[21:32] <mdke> see if you can better that
[21:36] <feuervogel> Hello.
[21:36] <feuervogel> I am pretty confused about Launchpad. Can someone have a look on those two links and tell me the difference !
[21:36] <feuervogel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic
[21:36] <feuervogel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic
[21:36] <Peng_> One's about Ubuntu's synaptic package, and one's about the synaptic project.
[21:37] <Rinchen> mdke, phone....bbib
[21:37] <Peng_> ...Which really overlaps a lot.
[21:37] <mdke> Rinchen: ok, thanks
[21:37] <sinzui> feuervogel: the second represents the upstream project
[21:38] <sinzui> feuervogel: the first is the version used of the synaptic product used in ubuntu
[21:39] <feuervogel> ok, if I want to report a bug in synaptic, I should do it in the first or the second
[21:40] <feuervogel> I guess the first if I'm using ubuntu
[21:40] <sinzui> feuervogel: I am mistaken about the first link, in that synaptic is using Launchpad for hosting and bug management
[21:40] <sinzui> feuervogel: report/check the bug against the Ubuntu version.
[21:41] <sinzui> feuervogel: a bug contact may report the bug is also in the main project.
[22:01] <Rinchen> mdke, do you see that in deleted status now?
[22:03] <mdke> Rinchen: yep - thanks :)
[22:03] <Rinchen> my pleasure mkd
[22:03] <Rinchen> mdke,
[23:55] <maco> uh, weird problem. i can edit bugs from my host machine, but not from inside a vm.  the +editstatus page takes ages to load then just comes up blank


[02:14] <mhall119> paultag: akgraner: http://readfeeder.net:8000/tour/
[02:14] <mhall119> feedback/corrections/questions welcome
[02:15] <akgraner> sweeeetttt!! mhall119 thanks!
[02:15] <paultag> mhall119: for sure
[02:16] <mhall119> thanks
[02:16] <paultag> mhall119: it's a bit squashed on my Mini 110, but most apps are. Just kinda annoying that there's so much whitespace above it, but I can see how it looks good on a bigger screen
[02:16] <paultag> and refreshing messes up where I had my mouse :)
[02:17] <mhall119> paultag: what is your resolution?
[02:18] <paultag>    1024x600       60.0*+
[02:18] <mhall119> hmmm, let me see what I can do
[02:18] <paultag> mhall119: it's OK, just a small papercut. If I F11 it (which I usually do) it's fine :)
[02:18] <paultag> it actually almost looks designed for it when I use exactly 600
[02:19] <paultag> mhall119: all in all, very cool. Got me reading. I think that's a pretty nice slug. You should have a last page that asks for an email to get an update when it's open for registration
[02:20] <mhall119> paultag: any better now?
[02:20] <mhall119> the table is fixed at 800px wide
[02:20] <mhall119> :(
[02:20] <paultag> mhall119: I'm 1024 wide, 600 high
[02:20] <mhall119> ah, misread, ok cool
[02:20] <paultag> mhall119: but yeah, that's great
[02:21] <mhall119> cool
[02:21] <paultag> yeah that looks much nicer on a Mini 110
[02:21] <mhall119> paultag: yeah, I'm working on the "give me your emails!" part
[02:21] <paultag> mhall119: well done, can't wait to see how it turns out
[02:21] <paultag> mhall119: hahaha
[02:22] <mhall119> I'm just hoping it'll bring in $75/month to pay for an EC2 t1.small
[02:22] <mhall119> anything above that is gravy
[02:22] <paultag> mhall119: how many users would that be
[02:23] <mhall119> dunno, I'm going to do a survey of the beta testers to see what they'd be willing to pay to keep using it
[02:23] <mhall119> somewhere between $5 and $20 per month I think
[02:23] <mhall119> for the "pro" accounts
[02:23] <paultag> IMHO 2 is a bit high
[02:24] <paultag> 20 *
[02:24] <paultag> I'd guess from 5 -> 7 is about right
[02:24] <paultag> if you're costing more then netflix it might cause a bit of "well, do I really need this"
[02:24] <mhall119> given that I'm targetting people who will use it to earn money, I don't think $20 will be too high
[02:24] <paultag> true true
[02:26] <mhall119> which is why I want akgraner's insights ;)
[02:26] <mhall119> if it'll save $20 worth of her time per month, then it'll be an easy sell
[02:26] <paultag> Yeah, I'm just a freetard neckbeard :)
[02:27] <mhall119> that's why there's gonna be free accounts
[02:27] <paultag> who's anal about getting data in order
[02:27] <mhall119> or you can grab the source and thrown your own instance up somewhere
[02:27] <paultag> yar
[02:27] <paultag> and since it's AGPL, you can get the source back if they hack up something
[02:28] <mhall119> you noticed that huh?
[02:28] <paultag> :)
[02:28] <mhall119> I use selfish licenses
[02:29] <paultag> I have the same on Whube
[02:29] <paultag> if you GPL it and put it up you don't have to give back source
[02:29] <paultag> becuse they're not distributing binaries
[02:29] <mhall119> yup
[08:19] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:59] <ejat> morning
[09:14] <jussi> AlanBell: ping
[09:15] <jussi> AlanBell: mootbot has an issue, could you please drop the uk version into #ubuntu-meeting so we have _something_ there?
[11:32] <AlanBell> hi jussi
[11:33] <jussi> AlanBell: o/
[11:33] <AlanBell> meetingology is in #ubuntu-meeting now
[11:33] <jussi> thanks!
[11:34] <jussi> AlanBell: could you update the topic to let people know how it works? :D
[11:34] <jussi> (its -t in there)
[11:46] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[12:41] <jussi> AlanBell: thanks for doing htat
[12:43] <mhall119> morning
[12:45] <czajkowski> jussi: ping
[12:51] <jussi> czajkowski: yes?
[12:51] <Pendulum> hiya
[12:52] <jussi> o/ Pendulum
[12:53] <czajkowski> jussi: got mhall119 thanks
[12:53] <czajkowski> 2nd person in -ie to use Kubuntu
[12:54] <jussi> ok :)
[12:55] <paultag> czajkowski: did you ask someone to join locoteams for a support question?
[12:55] <paultag> czajkowski: there's a kubuntu help channel :)
[12:55] <czajkowski> paultag: to sign the CoC
[12:55] <czajkowski> one of the -ie team
[12:55] <paultag> czajkowski: still, the #kubuntu folks can help
[12:55] <czajkowski> I sent him there also
[12:55] <paultag> gpg --clearsign
[12:55] <paultag> btw :)
[12:55] <paultag> using the GUI takes a lot of time
[12:56] <paultag> just wget the CoC and gpg --clearsign <file.txt>
[12:56] <Pici> They asked in #kubuntu, and got an answer.
[12:56] <paultag> then upload the asc
[12:56] <paultag> Pici: roger doger. thought so. Cheers :)
[13:14] <akgraner> mhall119, I'll try it out sometime today - but I have 3 things in front of me that have to be finished first.
[13:15] <akgraner> kim0, I'm still working on that doc for you, I just ran out of daylight yesterday so I'll finish it this morning
[13:15] <kim0> akgraner: no problemo .. tyt :)
[13:21] <mhall119> akgraner: no worries, I'm working on the beta signup forms now
[15:02] <jono> kim0, jcastro sorry some audio problems, rebooting
[15:08] <jono> kim0, jcastro ok, all set
[15:08] <kim0> I'm here
[15:08] <jcastro> ok one sec
[15:08] <jcastro> this might not work for me with the internet situation
[15:08] <jcastro> but I'll give it a shot
[15:10] <jono> invite sent
[15:11] <jono> jcastro, kim0 want to do skype and I can call your phone jcastro?
[15:11] <kim0> skype works
[15:11] <kim0> g+ is actually not loading for me it seems
[15:11] <jcastro> I think that's best for be
[15:11] <jcastro> it's not even loading for me
[15:12] <kim0> same here!
[15:12] <jono> np
[15:12] <jono> one sec
[16:29] <jcastro> Anyone decent with libreoffice? We have a new person on the design team that needs a bit of help over email and I totally suck at LO, so I'm looking for a volunteer
[16:29]  * popey nominates AlanBell
[16:47] <jono> jcastro, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/unity-blur-backup/+merge/70486
[16:47] <jono> :-)
[16:52] <jcastro> oooh yeah!
[17:30] <nigelb> jcastro: I have the perfect thing for you
[17:31] <nigelb> https://github.com/busyloop/lolcat
[17:31]  * nigelb is installing it for lolz
[17:32] <mhall119> paultag: it looks like you were right
[18:33] <AlanBell> jcastro: happy to help, or they could use their LoCo team
[18:33] <jcastro> oh excellent
[18:33] <jcastro> that would be a good intro for her
[18:35] <AlanBell> jcastro: is she in millbank?
[18:37] <jcastro> yeah
[18:38] <AlanBell> then #ubuntu-uk or our mailing list would both be excellent resources
[18:57] <paultag> mhall119: o'rly?
[19:19] <mhall119> ya rly
[19:33] <paultag> mhall119: about what? It's not often people admit that to my face
[19:33] <paultag> mhall119: they say it gets to my ego
[19:49] <czajkowski> paultag: it can't get bigger surely :
[19:49] <czajkowski> :p
[19:49] <czajkowski> paultag: can you reply to email please
[19:49] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm at work
[19:49] <paultag> czajkowski: I'll do it when I get home
[19:49] <czajkowski> np
[20:00] <mhall119> paultag: you were right about the tour being too wordy
[20:00] <paultag> mhall119: as much as I love being right, I'm not sure I said that, that might have been akgraner :)
[20:01] <paultag> mhall119: I dig wordy and technical specs, might have been the N.T.E.U. among us
[20:06] <mhall119> ah, it was newz who said it I think
[20:09] <nigelb> mhall119: are you feeling alright? :P
[20:10] <mhall119> I woke up at 3am for no good reason, and only had enough coffee grounds for a half-pot today
[20:10] <mhall119> so, no
[20:11] <mhall119> but knowing paultag, he was still probably right about something
[20:30] <nigelb> mhall119: knowing paultag, it is usually s/something/everything/g
[20:45] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[20:45] <paultag> nigelb: aww, gee thanks
[21:01] <czajkowski> jono: call?
[21:03] <jono> czajkowski, yup, sorry, was running a few mins late
[21:03] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston, good for the call?
[21:05] <czajkowski> yes
[21:21] <jono> damn mic is muted and I cant unmute
[21:22] <czajkowski> jono: lol
[21:22] <czajkowski> thought it was something i said
[21:25] <cjohnston> lol
[21:25] <czajkowski> is he gone to bed now
[21:28] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston sorry, my sound just totally went
[21:28] <jono> I can't get it back working
[21:28] <jono> I rebooted and no luck
[21:28] <jono> and I can't configure it in the control panel
[21:28] <jono> it just vanished in the middle of the call
[21:30] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston apologies, I will reschedule the call when things are working again
[21:30] <jono> brb


[02:30] <cpatrick08> I was trying to install a mainline kernel and kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[02:43] <cpatrick08> I was trying to install a mainline kernel and kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/