[00:13] <Red_HamsterX> Bleh... I dunno what, if anything, I can do for the current PyWeek.
[02:44] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh. Quickshot is working well.
[02:45] <Red_HamsterX> And Alstroemeria CDs make for great programming music.
[03:05] <Red_HamsterX> Looks like Metacity returns decoration information slightly differently under Lucid...
[03:26] <Red_HamsterX> All Firefox-related screencaps successfully taken and uploaded using Quickshot.
[03:26] <Red_HamsterX> (A number of small bugs were worked out in the process, hence the time taken)
[03:56] <godbyk> The Internet here is still being really flaky, but I'm around if around if anyone needs me.
[07:03] <humphreybc> what's poppin' ya'll
[07:05] <godbyk> humphreybc: 'bout time you showed up! :)
[07:05] <humphreybc> haha, i've been enjoying my lazy sunda
[07:05] <humphreybc> sunday*
[07:05] <humphreybc> then I had an interesting experience
[07:05] <godbyk> oh yeah?
[07:06] <humphreybc> I tried to enable some transparency for pidgin
[07:06] <godbyk> uh oh
[07:06] <humphreybc> just for the buddy list, by using compiz
[07:06] <humphreybc> I selected the pidgin buddy list window
[07:06] <humphreybc> compiz turned my entire computer transparent
[07:06] <humphreybc> panels, all windows, my docks disappeared
[07:06] <godbyk> heh
[07:06] <godbyk> awesome
[07:06] <humphreybc> so I went into a virtual terminal
[07:07] <humphreybc> removed the compiz config files in my home directory and restarted X
[07:07] <humphreybc> that didn't work
[07:07] <humphreybc> restarted computer, that didn't work
[07:07] <humphreybc> so I figured I should run a metacity --replace command
[07:07] <humphreybc> tried that in a virtual terminal and got an error saying that X wasn't loaded (because I was in a virtual terminal)
[07:08] <humphreybc> so, I blindly opened up a terminal by using my keyboard shortcut and typed in the command slowly, even though i couldn't see it... it worked
[07:08] <humphreybc> disabled the opacity plugin for compiz and restarted X, success
[07:08] <humphreybc> it was pretty funny though because I had all my windows open, and could grab them/resize them and stuff but they were invisible
[07:09] <godbyk> nice
[07:09] <humphreybc> yeah
[07:09] <humphreybc> so what's new?
[07:09] <godbyk> I'm currently spell-checking our manual.
[07:09] <humphreybc> oh fun
[07:09] <godbyk> Loads.
[07:09] <humphreybc> using aspell?
[07:10] <humphreybc> or by hand/eye?
[07:10] <godbyk> It strikes me that we need to establish a really comprehensive style guide for the manual.
[07:10] <humphreybc> yea
[07:10] <humphreybc> that was the plan
[07:10] <godbyk> It's probably too late to create one for this edition, but we should definitely add that to our TODO list for the next edition.
[07:10] <humphreybc> never eventuated
[07:10] <humphreybc> yup
[07:11] <humphreybc> did you see some of the stuff that Martin Lukes did?
[07:11] <godbyk> Also, you're totally gonna lose that bet. :)
[07:11] <godbyk> Which stuff?
[07:11] <humphreybc> I better not
[07:11] <humphreybc> check the mailing list
[07:11] <humphreybc> unless he just sent it to me
[07:11] <humphreybc> nah the list
[07:11] <humphreybc> http://etherpad.com/Dws558WVvc
[07:11] <godbyk> oh, the manual for manual thing?
[07:11] <humphreybc> he made this
[07:11] <humphreybc> yea
[07:11] <godbyk> yeah, I saw that.
[07:11] <humphreybc> by trawling through our ML messages :D
[07:11] <godbyk> most of that will be incorporated into the style guide.
[07:12] <humphreybc> yea
[07:12] <godbyk> latex-handout.pdf was supposed to be the start of a style guide, but I didn't spend the time needed to really get it fleshed out completely.
[07:12] <humphreybc> it's a good list of stuff though
[07:12] <humphreybc> that's okay
[07:12] <humphreybc> we have other things to worry about, as you said it's too late but next release we'll have 6 months
[07:12] <humphreybc> instead of 3 :)
[07:13] <godbyk> can we just pretend this initial release doesn't count as much? :-)
[07:13] <godbyk> (so many little bugs!)
[07:13] <humphreybc> lol
[07:13] <humphreybc> well I anticipate we'll get a shitload of interest after this release
[07:13] <godbyk> a lot of the bugs I'm seeing are more style issues that I didn't bring up before.
[07:13] <Red_HamsterX> Learning experience. =P
[07:13] <humphreybc> sure
[07:13] <humphreybc> hey, we can't be perfect, we've done bloody well
[07:13] <humphreybc> i'm sure everyone appreciates that
[07:14] <humphreybc> so don't fret too much
[07:14] <godbyk> I know, I know.  Still, it bugs me when I see typos or errors in my books. :)
[07:14] <humphreybc> what we've got now is already beyond any expectation anyone ever had
[07:14] <humphreybc> hehe
[07:14] <humphreybc> your books huh?
[07:14] <humphreybc> :P
[07:14] <godbyk> as in 'books I own'.
[07:14] <humphreybc> rigt
[07:14] <humphreybc> sure sure :P
[07:14] <godbyk> although it applies doubly to books I've been involved with producing. :)
[07:14] <humphreybc> fair enough
[07:14] <humphreybc> i'm the same
[07:15] <humphreybc> we have a lot of work to do, that's for sure
[07:15] <humphreybc> but that's good, it'll keep us busy and keep people interested and willing to help
[07:15] <godbyk> also, I think I found a typo/error in the CC license (the original on the website).
[07:15] <humphreybc> unlike the *cough* docs team *cough*
[07:15] <humphreybc> O rly?
[07:15] <godbyk> I asked about it in #cc, but haven't had a response yet.
[07:15] <godbyk> yeah,
[07:15] <godbyk> in section 1(b), they refer to section 1(f) but I think they meant to refer to section 1(h).
[07:16] <humphreybc> ok
[07:16] <godbyk> exciting, no?
[07:17] <humphreybc> indeed
[07:19] <humphreybc> hey cool people are starting to post irrelevant ads and links on our facebook page
[07:19] <humphreybc> which means we're becoming famous
[07:20] <godbyk> lol
[07:20] <godbyk> how's our bug spreadsheet doing?
[07:20] <godbyk> do we still have a ton left to fix?
[07:20] <humphreybc> "Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi" has spammed pretty much all of our wall posts with this link: "www.livequaran.org"
[07:20] <humphreybc> i'll give you one guess
[07:20] <humphreybc> i'm going to kick him off our page
[07:21] <humphreybc> i'm never going to find him in our fan list
[07:21] <humphreybc> we have 750 now
[07:22] <humphreybc> oh no wait
[07:22] <humphreybc> he posted directly on our oage
[07:22] <humphreybc> page*
[07:22] <humphreybc> so i can "report and block this person from this page and remove everything he has posted"
[07:22] <humphreybc> thanks facebook!
[07:23] <humphreybc> sorry Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi, but we're not that interested in your live quaran :)
[07:24] <godbyk> nice
[07:24] <godbyk> facebook is actually helpful for once
[07:25] <humphreybc> yeah
[07:26] <humphreybc> it's actually a really crap website
[07:26] <humphreybc> they duplicate so much stuff
[07:26] <humphreybc> but just like windows, people only use it because everyone else does :D
[07:26] <humphreybc> ... at least it's better than bebo or mysapce, though
[07:26] <humphreybc> myspace*
[07:27] <humphreybc> myspace is awful
[07:28] <godbyk> so true
[07:30] <godbyk> there are TONS of comments in these .tex files.
[07:30] <godbyk> we should really remove the ones that don't matter anymore.
[07:30] <humphreybc> yeah
[07:30] <humphreybc> that's what i've been doing
[07:30] <godbyk> means less text to get in the way when I'm spell-checking and reading.
[07:30] <humphreybc> is automount installed/enabled in ubuntu server edition by default?
[07:30] <godbyk> no clue
[07:31] <humphreybc> nvm found it
[07:31] <godbyk> Is 'gedit' the proper capitalization?
[07:31] <humphreybc> yes
[07:32] <godbyk> k
[07:33] <humphreybc> i'm downloading the Kubuntu 10.04 beta1
[07:33] <humphreybc> gonna try it out in a vbox/live CD
[07:33] <humphreybc> never really looked into it too much
[07:33] <humphreybc> i tried 9.04 and found it too be really cluttered and inconsistent
[07:34] <humphreybc> plus i don't really like all my apps beginning with k
[07:34] <humphreybc> it looks silly and amateur
[07:36] <godbyk> g is much better than k. :)
[07:38] <humphreybc> well not even that, i just wish app developers would come up with their own names
[07:38] <humphreybc> the menus can look hideous at times
[07:41] <godbyk> I think I'm going to start making notes for our style guide as I fix things.
[07:41] <godbyk> easier than thinking of them later.
[07:43] <godbyk> I'm also writing a python script right now to help me track down some frequent bugs.
[07:44] <humphreybc> neat
[07:44] <humphreybc> haha, the many uses of python
[07:46] <godbyk> we also need to get the glossary and index up to speed.
[07:46] <godbyk> so much work to do!
[07:48] <humphreybc> i know!
[07:48] <humphreybc> i'm going to go through this evening and make all the captions nice
[07:53] <godbyk> I haven't even looked at daker's test site to proofread that yet.
[07:54] <godbyk> New rule: If you see a spot in the manual that's obvious unfinished, or needs attention, put a \todo{Note goes here} there.  That way it'll show up in the PDF and we'll see it.
[07:55] <godbyk> I'm trying to make a list of the formatting bugs, too. I'll deal with those after the writing freeze.
[07:55] <godbyk> Though basically anything we touch in the .tex file will impact the translators, won't it?
[07:55] <godbyk> might have to branch or something. :-/
[07:58] <humphreybc> kk
[07:58] <humphreybc> u,
[07:58] <humphreybc> um*
[07:58] <humphreybc> the comments should be excluded?
[07:58] <humphreybc> oh wait
[07:58] <humphreybc> AFTER writing freeze
[07:58] <godbyk> the comments are, yet.
[07:58] <humphreybc> um
[07:58] <godbyk> wait, what?
[07:59] <godbyk> you're confusing me. start over. :)
[07:59] <humphreybc> yeah i'm going to be really strict on the writing freeze
[07:59] <humphreybc> so you may have to branch
[07:59] <humphreybc> i've been proof reading dakers test site
[07:59] <humphreybc> we went through it together yesterday
[08:00] <humphreybc> he's still got a couple of mistakes
[08:00] <humphreybc> but it's getting there
[08:00] <godbyk> did you fix the missing apostrophe in 'beginner's guide'?
[08:01] <humphreybc> maybe
[08:02] <humphreybc> no
[08:02] <humphreybc> haha
[08:04] <humphreybc> so who else from UMP will be attending UDS?
[08:04] <humphreybc> I presume thorwil will be going
[08:04] <godbyk> no clue.
[08:04] <godbyk> have you heard if you're going yet or not?
[08:04] <humphreybc> nope, haven't heard yet
[08:05] <humphreybc> i guess it'll be announced sometime this week or next
[08:05] <humphreybc> jono and crew will have a lot of applications to go through
[08:05] <humphreybc> i really hope i go
[08:06] <humphreybc> you'll have to participate remotely
[08:06] <humphreybc> especially if we have a meeting with the docs/learning team etc
[08:07] <godbyk> definitely.
[08:07] <humphreybc> cool
[08:07] <humphreybc> we'll try to get a good UMP representation in those meetings
[08:34] <nisshh> hey
[08:34] <nisshh> time to rock
[08:34] <humphreybc> hey nisshh
[08:35] <nisshh> hey
[08:35] <nisshh> i have 21 glossary entries lines up
[08:35] <nisshh> hope to get them all done today
[08:36] <godbyk> nisshh: heh.. I'm adding more glossary TODOs as we speak. :)
[08:36] <godbyk> at some point, we need to look at indexing, too.
[08:36] <nisshh> godbyk: hehe, you always crash the party!
[08:37] <godbyk> :)
[08:37] <nisshh> indexing?
[08:37] <humphreybc> the index
[08:37] <humphreybc> :P
[08:37] <humphreybc> 3 days till writing freeze... fun times
[08:37] <nisshh> right, what exactly goes in the index
[08:37] <humphreybc> key words used throughout the manual
[08:37] <humphreybc> with page numbers that are linked
[08:37] <humphreybc> check it out in the book
[08:37] <humphreybc> it's on the last page
[08:38] <nisshh> kk
[08:38] <humphreybc> you must have come across indexes before in other book
[08:38] <humphreybc> books*
[08:38] <nisshh> oh, who made the makefile awesome with colors and stuff
[08:38] <godbyk> that was me.
[08:38] <nisshh> looks wicked and is much easier to use
[08:38] <nisshh> nice work godbyk
[08:38] <godbyk> thanks.
[08:38] <humphreybc> lol
[08:39] <godbyk> I need to reclassify some of the warnings as errors, though, so they stand out more.
[08:39] <humphreybc> i wondered why it became pretty
[08:39] <nisshh> hehe
[08:39] <nisshh> much easier to tell if make was successful now
[08:40] <godbyk> Well, if it's not successful, it'll stop the presses and tell you about it.
[08:41] <nisshh> yes
[08:43] <nisshh> just noticed apt-get is there twice in the index
[08:45] <godbyk> nisshh: I only see it once (as a main entry).
[08:45] <godbyk> All of the applications and command-line apps are listed under then own name and under the heading 'applications' or 'command-line applications' right now.
[08:46] <nisshh> yea, theres one under vlc and one under command line
[08:58] <jaminday> humphreybc: ping
[09:00] <humphreybc> jaminday: pong
[09:00] <nisshh> hehe, still find that funny
[09:01] <jaminday> humphreybc: hehe hey there - i'm just on my way out but thought i'd catch you real quick
[09:01] <humphreybc> sure
[09:01] <humphreybc> fire away
[09:01] <jaminday> how are you going with editing your chapterrs - have any spare time?
[09:01] <jaminday> *chapters
[09:01] <humphreybc> i'm getting there
[09:01] <humphreybc> haven't had a huge amount of time these last couple of days
[09:01] <humphreybc> what's up?
[09:01] <jaminday> yeah me too. I've just been doing bits when i can.
[09:02] <jaminday> Chapter 3 still has a ton of editing needing to be done though
[09:02] <jaminday> and not sure i'll have time to look at it properly
[09:02] <nisshh> godbyk: we talked about this the other day but i forgot which way around to put the \gls command if it interfered with another
[09:02] <humphreybc> jaminday: it's on my list
[09:02] <nisshh> like: \smallcaps{GNOME}
[09:02] <godbyk> nisshh: The \gls command goes on the inside.
[09:02] <humphreybc> i'll try to get it done by tuesday
[09:02] <jaminday> humphreybc: ok cool. You want me to focus mainly on the chapters before this then?
[09:02] <godbyk> To \emph{\gls{word}}
[09:02] <nisshh> godbyk: thanks
[09:03] <godbyk> np
[09:03] <humphreybc> i think focus needs to be on 5+
[09:03] <jaminday> chapter 5?
[09:03] <humphreybc> chapter 5 and up
[09:03] <jaminday> ah ok
[09:03] <humphreybc> so 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9
[09:03] <jaminday> yeah i haven't looked at them for ages
[09:03] <humphreybc> 5 is quite important as it deals with the software center
[09:03] <humphreybc> so make that your priority
[09:03] <godbyk> I think the later chapters have probably had less focus by our OMG proofreaders, too.
[09:04] <humphreybc> plus godbyk was reading through it the other day and said it needs a lot of work
[09:04] <godbyk> So they likely need more attention.
[09:04] <humphreybc> yeah
[09:04] <humphreybc> good point
[09:04] <jaminday> ok. There is still some work needing to be written on partitioning in chapter 1, but otherwise pro, 1 and 2 are nearing completion
[09:04] <humphreybc> yeah i'll get there with the partitioning
[09:04] <humphreybc> actually
[09:04] <humphreybc> i might need some help with that
[09:04] <humphreybc> i can't remember much about the partitioning big
[09:05] <humphreybc> bit*
[09:05] <jaminday> Yeah - the manual partitioning stuff will be hard to make newbie friendly
[09:05] <humphreybc> yeah
[09:05] <jaminday> ok - well anyway i have to head out
[09:05] <humphreybc> okay
[09:05] <jaminday> i'm about to push a few minor changes, will this stuff anyone up?
[09:05] <humphreybc> enjoy your evening, we'll be slaving away here
[09:06] <humphreybc> nah it shouldn't
[09:06] <jaminday> humphreybc: hehe
[09:06] <nisshh> might stuff me up
[09:06] <jaminday> nisshh:  ah really
[09:06] <humphreybc> nisshh: you push first
[09:06] <nisshh> yea im doing glassry work
[09:06] <nisshh> ok hang on a sec
[09:06] <jaminday> ok
[09:07] <jaminday> maybe i'll wait till i get back?
[09:07] <nisshh> no 1 sec
[09:07] <godbyk> jaminday: I've got a ton of minor changes, so it won't matter much to me. :)
[09:07] <jaminday> ok
[09:08] <jaminday> godbyk: glad to hear it ;-)
[09:08] <godbyk> so many changes!
[09:08] <godbyk> So far:
[09:08] <godbyk>  Help/godbyk/latex-handout/latex-handout.tex |   15 +++++
[09:08] <godbyk>  around-desktop/around-desktop.tex           |    8 +-
[09:08] <godbyk>  backmatter/license-en.tex                   |   50 +++++++++---------
[09:08] <godbyk>  command-line/command-line.tex               |   76 ++++++++++++++--------------
[09:08] <godbyk>  default-apps/browsingtheweb.tex             |   24 ++++----
[09:08] <godbyk>  default-apps/default-apps.tex               |    2
[09:08] <godbyk>  default-apps/gettingonline.tex              |    4 -
[09:09] <godbyk>  main.tex                                    |    1
[09:09] <godbyk>  prefs-hardware/other.tex                    |    2
[09:09] <godbyk>  ubuntu-manual.cls                           |    9 ++-
[09:09] <godbyk>  10 files changed, 107 insertions(+), 84 deletions(-)
[09:09] <nisshh> jaminday: ok you can push now
[09:09] <humphreybc> lol
[09:09] <nisshh> maybe you should pull first though
[09:09] <jaminday> wow
[09:09] <jaminday> nisshh:
[09:09] <jaminday> hehe
[09:09] <humphreybc> good times had by all
[09:09] <jaminday> nisshh: ok
[09:09] <nisshh> cool
[09:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: 5 glossary entries finished
[09:10] <humphreybc> in the future, if anyones' wife/gf is having a baby it is now mandatory to scream "PULL BEFORE YOU PUSH" when they're giving birth
[09:10] <nisshh> hehe, ok
[09:10] <humphreybc> nisshh: schwing!
[09:10] <jaminday> humphreybc: ha classic
[09:10] <jaminday> I love that 'no conflicts generated' window. Makes me happy.
[09:10] <nisshh> that should be an official bzr joke
[09:11] <nisshh> jaminday: so push to lp went ok?
[09:11] <humphreybc> someone broke the make though
[09:12] <jaminday> hehe i tried to push without committing, so no
[09:12] <nisshh> lol
[09:12] <jaminday> ah there we go
[09:12] <jaminday> ok gotta run!
[09:12] <jaminday> by all...
[09:12] <humphreybc> nisshh: did you compile before pushing?
[09:12] <nisshh> cya
[09:12] <humphreybc> "is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}}" is throwing an error
[09:12] <humphreybc> chow jamin
[09:12] <nisshh> i ran make clean before pushing
[09:13] <nisshh> hmmmm gimme a sec
[09:13] <humphreybc> you should probably run make before pushing, then make clean
[09:13] <humphreybc> to ensure it actually compiles
[09:13] <godbyk> lol
[09:14] <nisshh> hehe, i had it compiled just before i pushed
[09:14] <nisshh> just obviously worked ok for me
[09:14] <humphreybc> lol
[09:15] <nisshh> godbyk: why is it throwing that error?
[09:15] <godbyk> Hmm.. not sure.
[09:15] <nisshh> i seem to have done the syntax right
[09:15] <godbyk> what's the error?
[09:16] <nisshh> where i put \gls{GNOME}
[09:16] <nisshh> inside smallcaps{}
[09:17] <nisshh> it saysl.40 ...ronments is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}} , which is used by default...
[09:17] <nisshh> do you want it removed for now?
[09:20] <nisshh> godbyk:?
[09:20] <godbyk> Sure, go ahead and remove it for now.
[09:21] <nisshh> ok
[09:21] <godbyk> File a bug or remind me to look at it after a bit.
[09:21] <godbyk> (Or just stick a \todo{Kevin, look at the GNOME glossary entry link.} in places of the \gls command._
[09:22] <nisshh> ok
[09:22] <nisshh> testing it now
[09:23] <humphreybc> cool
[09:24] <nisshh> it is kind of inconsistent where someone has smallcapsed all the DE names in around-desktop, but nowhere else in the chapter
[09:24] <godbyk> wow.. everyone's joining the party now!
[09:24] <nisshh> or whole manua;
[09:24] <godbyk> nisshh: yeah, I've been fixing them when I see them.
[09:25] <nisshh> godbyk: which way is prefered?
[09:25] <humphreybc> GNOME is all caps
[09:25] <humphreybc> KDE is all caps
[09:25] <humphreybc> so XFCE
[09:25] <humphreybc> actually all of them are all caps
[09:25] <nisshh> sorry you misunderstood
[09:25] <nisshh> i mean someone has done \smallcaps{GNOME} in around desktop
[09:26] <humphreybc> oh right
[09:26] <nisshh> but nowhere else in the manual at all
[09:26] <nisshh> its extremely inconsistent
[09:26] <godbyk> where is my python guru?
[09:27] <humphreybc> godbyk, what do you want to know?
[09:27] <godbyk> I want to apply a regular expression to a line of text and if it matches, print something out.
[09:27] <godbyk> easy enough to do.
[09:27] <godbyk> figured I'd ask instead of looking it up. :)
[09:27] <humphreybc> what do you mean apply a regular expression?
[09:27] <godbyk> (if anyone's around who knows right off.)
[09:28] <godbyk> I want to see it there are any matches in the line of text.
[09:28] <humphreybc> ah right
[09:28] <humphreybc> i'm not sure what the function name is
[09:28] <nisshh> ok, if everyone pulls now they have the fix
[09:28] <godbyk> I think re.search will do it.
[09:29] <godbyk> nisshh: thanks
[09:29] <nisshh> np
[09:29] <humphreybc> sweet, so just assign it to something and then run the function on the string in an if statement
[09:55] <nisshh> im trying to write a description for MeMenu, except i havent used it much, can someone with more experience give me a hand?
[10:03] <nisshh> nevermind, its done
[10:11] <nisshh> hey ubuntujenkins
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> hey nisshh
[10:12] <nisshh> everything is coming along nicely
[10:13] <ubuntujenkins> thats great, quickshot is doing we to
[10:13] <ubuntujenkins> *well
[10:15] <nisshh> good
[10:24] <nisshh> humphreybc: finished descrptions for another 10 or so glossary entries
[10:24] <humphreybc> nisshh: fantasticx
[10:24] <humphreybc> without the x
[10:27] <ubuntujenkins_> humphreybc: I am planning to do some quickshot wikii stuff today, have you done any? I don't want to double up on your work
[10:28] <ubuntujenkins_> also the quickshot cd is down to 692 mb
[10:30] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: quickshot cd?
[10:33] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: there is a cut down version of lucid on a cd with the quickshot program so that people can take screenshots with out installing lucid
[10:34] <nisshh> ah, cool
[10:35] <ubuntujenkins> and it has all of the lanuage packs that the manual is in on it
[10:37] <ubuntujenkins> I will be back just swapping to the wifi
[10:39] <nisshh> ok
[10:39] <nisshh> sounds really cool
[10:40] <nisshh> also just pushed more work to lp
[10:40] <ubuntujenkins_> kk
[10:41] <ubuntujenkins_> humphreybc: why did you remove the rhythambox screenshots but not the \screenshot command?
[11:03] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: they were spelt wrong so i just adjusted the command and the filename
[11:04] <ubuntujenkins> I don't think you did bzr add then
[11:05] <humphreybc> oh maybe not
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> also have you done any quickshot wiki stuff?
[11:07] <humphreybc> just pushing now
[11:08] <humphreybc> nope, I haven't updated ubuntu-manual/quickshot in some time
[11:08] <humphreybc> you may want to update it
[11:08] <ubuntujenkins> thanks I can never spell rhythambox
[11:08] <ubuntujenkins> I am updating the wiki to day in prep for the release
[11:09] <humphreybc> cool
[11:09] <ubuntujenkins> didn't want to double up on any work you had done
[11:10] <humphreybc> nah that's cool, thanks for asking
[11:10] <humphreybc> go for it though
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> who made the wiki buttons?
[11:10] <humphreybc> I made the original ones and then daker made some new ones
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> cool I will see if i need any
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[11:46] <godbyk> I pushed a bunch of my edits.
[11:46] <godbyk> more to come.
[12:27] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: hey, have you got a quickshot live CD image for me to test?
[12:28] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I have an image but its not got quickshot on it thats a 2 min job, but how do i get it to you?
[12:28] <humphreybc> hm
[12:28] <humphreybc> is it 700mb?
[12:28] <ubuntujenkins> 692mb
[12:28] <humphreybc> http://www.mediafire.com/ ?
[12:29] <humphreybc> or ubuntu one account?
[12:29] <ubuntujenkins> ubuntu one/dropbox have file size limits
[12:29] <humphreybc> dropbox?
[12:29] <humphreybc> oh really
[12:29] <humphreybc> that sucks
[12:30] <ubuntujenkins> I will try and sort it today, just working on a ppa I will drop you an e-mail so that you have it when you get up
[12:30] <ubuntujenkins> the image that is
[12:31] <ubuntujenkins> ok humphreybc media fire is no good 200mb file size limit
[12:31] <humphreybc> okay
[12:31] <humphreybc> yeah PPA should work
[12:32] <ubuntujenkins> I am doing a ppa of quickshot not the cd
[12:32] <humphreybc> how are we going to share the CD?
[12:32] <ubuntujenkins> on the ubuntu manaul server
[12:32] <humphreybc> true
[12:32] <humphreybc> but you'll have to get it to kevin
[12:33] <ubuntujenkins> I have to ftp to kevins pc
[12:33] <humphreybc> ah okay
[12:33] <humphreybc> that should work
[12:38] <godbyk> I hate resolving conflicts. :-(
[12:39] <godbyk> I've got a file that I marked resolved, but it just merged stuff together and it's a mess.
[12:40] <ubuntujenkins> don't worry i hate ppa's
[12:40] <godbyk> :)
[12:40] <humphreybc> lol
[12:40] <humphreybc> aren't PPAs meant to be easy?
[12:46] <godbyk> downloading a fresh branch
[12:46] <godbyk> it's huge!
[12:46] <godbyk> 55 MB and only halfway done.
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: they will be easy with quickly 0.4 you currently choose which ppa it goes in
[12:48] <humphreybc> right
[12:48] <humphreybc> godbyk, yea
[12:48] <humphreybc> lol
[12:49] <humphreybc> the manual branch is huge
[12:49] <godbyk> 110 MB and still going
[12:49] <humphreybc> once we take all the website stuff out that might help
[12:49] <godbyk> 145 MB total.
[12:49] <godbyk> website dir is 34 MB
[12:49] <godbyk> po dir is 24 MB
[12:50] <godbyk> screenshots is 11 MB
[12:50] <humphreybc> wow
[12:50] <humphreybc> that's impressive
[12:50] <humphreybc> i'm impressed
[12:50] <humphreybc> are you?
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> imagine once all the screenshots are in it
[12:52] <humphreybc> =|
[12:53] <humphreybc> won't that be fun
[12:53] <humphreybc> 11mb for each language
[12:53] <ubuntujenkins> 550 mb
[12:53] <humphreybc> yea
[12:53] <humphreybc> fun
[12:53] <humphreybc> so our final branch will be a cool 600mb
[12:53]  * nisshh doesnt want to know what the branch size is after the screenshots are all added
[12:53] <ubuntujenkins> we don't ahev to merge in untill the last minute there is a screenshot main
[12:54] <humphreybc> me
[12:54] <humphreybc> meh*
[12:54]  * humphreybc hates to think how long it would take to download the branch then at 2KB/s
[12:54] <humphreybc> (which is how fast bzr goes for me most of the time)
[12:55] <nisshh> hehe, thats what bzr does sometimes
[12:56] <nisshh> but mostly for me it does over 50kb/s
[12:56] <humphreybc> hm
[12:56] <humphreybc> i feel like i'm missing out lol
[12:56] <nisshh> hehe
[12:56] <nisshh> your using bzr 2.1.0 yea?
[12:56] <humphreybc> i think so
[12:57] <nisshh> thats the default in lucid
[12:57] <humphreybc> 2.1.1 even
[12:58] <nisshh> yea
[12:58] <humphreybc> i think it's my ISP
[12:58] <humphreybc> they just don't like bzr
[12:58] <nisshh> hehe
[12:58] <nisshh> who are you with?
[12:58] <humphreybc> telecom
[12:59] <ubuntujenkins> where do we want the quickshot release ppa ?
[12:59] <nisshh> hehe, you seem to have more problems than me and im with freakin telstra
[12:59] <ubuntujenkins> manual or quickshot teams
[12:59] <nisshh> quickshot tema
[12:59] <nisshh> team
[13:00] <nisshh> i reckon
[13:00] <nisshh> lol, the progress bar is still at 71%
[13:00] <humphreybc> yeah quickshot team
[13:00] <nisshh> should be a bit higher shouldnt it/
[13:00] <humphreybc> nisshh: it'll probably be that way for a few more days :P
[13:01] <nisshh> ah right
[13:01] <humphreybc> nah
[13:01] <humphreybc> translations make up at least 30%
[13:01] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[13:02] <nisshh> right
[13:03] <nisshh> when the next meeting btw?
[13:03] <nisshh> i think we need one during rc
[13:06] <humphreybc> RC is ages away
[13:06] <humphreybc> we'll probably have a meeting next weekend
[13:07] <nisshh> ok
[13:07] <humphreybc> does anyone know how many languages ubuntu supports/
[13:07] <humphreybc> ?
[13:08] <nisshh> alot
[13:08] <nisshh> atleast 80 i think
[13:09] <humphreybc> ah
[13:09] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/ReleaseLanguages/9.10
[13:09] <humphreybc> would be hilarious if the manual supported more languages than the operating syste,
[13:09] <humphreybc> system*
[13:10] <humphreybc> we might have more 100% complete languages than them :P
[13:14] <humphreybc> ubuntu supports 244 languages in total, 25 of which are considered "translated"
[13:14] <humphreybc> ie, 80% or above
[13:14] <humphreybc> so if we get 25 languages finished we'll be rockin
[13:45] <humphreybc> kubuntu is scary
[13:46] <godbyk> my python script is finding lots of little nit-picky bugs.  gotta love scripts.
[13:46] <godbyk> basically, when I find a bug, I add it to my script so it can search for similar bugs.
[13:49] <humphreybc> haha neat
[13:49] <nisshh> nice
[13:49]  * humphreybc is installing kubuntu 10.04 in a virtual box
[13:49] <godbyk> sadly, it means I'm finding even more bugs.  :-/
[13:49] <humphreybc> it's weird
[13:49] <humphreybc> lol
[13:52]  * dutchie is reminded of Fibonacci's rabbits
[13:53]  * humphreybc has already found inconsistencies in the Kubuntu installer
[13:56]  * ubuntujenkins grr ppa build failed again
[13:56] <humphreybc> lol
[13:57] <humphreybc> sounds like you're having a lot of fun with that PPA luke
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> ;(
[14:00] <godbyk> I've done enough damage for tonight. I'm headed to bed.
[14:01] <ubuntujenkins> nn godbyk
[14:05] <humphreybc> night
[14:13] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: now imagine doing all the packaging by hand
[14:14] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: it almost impossible here so you must have had no end of fun
[14:14] <dutchie> I gave up reasonably quickly
[14:14] <dutchie> ooh, I was going to file a needs-packaging bug
[14:14] <ubuntujenkins> I am using quickly :P
[14:33] <nisshh> humphreybc: are you trying out kde 4.4?
[14:33] <nisshh> coz i already have
[14:34] <humphreybc> does that come with kubuntu 10.04?
[14:35] <nisshh> i beleive so
[14:35] <nisshh> i wrote a blog post about 4.4.1 SC
[14:35] <nisshh> you should check it out
[14:36] <nisshh> ultimately since i only have 1 machine im sticking wuth GNOME since i develop GTK apps
[14:36] <nisshh> but holy crap kmail is better than evolution
[14:37] <nisshh> my blog post is here:http://freakaboutlinux.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/trying-out-kde-4-4-1-sc/
[14:38] <nisshh> its not very in depth but it gives a general idea
[14:38] <nisshh> right, now im off to watch some newly downloaded movies
[14:49]  * humphreybc is trying out Moovida. It's really cool, but sluggish on the open source radeon drivers. Kinda want to build a dedicated home media center now... will do that next year :D
[14:55]  * ubuntujenkins is waiting for launchpad to build the package but has a bad feeling there is only a i368 version
[15:06] <ubuntujenkins> see you all later o/
[16:45] <ubuntujenkins> The ppa worked woo
[16:52] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: can we make the screenshot list scrollable?
[16:53] <titeuf_87> Oh I thought it already was.
[16:53] <titeuf_87> I'll do that in just a little bit.
[16:54] <ubuntujenkins> you can do it with the down arrows but a scrollbar would be better
[16:54] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[16:54] <ubuntujenkins> thanks titeuf_87
[16:55] <titeuf_87> Are there any other things that still needs to be done outside of what's written in the todo list?
[16:56] <ubuntujenkins> erm those three windows don't look the same. I am going to get the wiki sorted, the cd is done and the ppas are done
[16:56] <titeuf_87> The change resolution windows?
[16:57] <ubuntujenkins> yep they look better but they still don't look the same
[16:57] <titeuf_87> Ah can you describe the differences? I'll take another look at those too.
[16:59] <ubuntujenkins> The one that warns you is fine, the other two the icons are to far to the left in comparison
[17:00] <titeuf_87> Ah ok.
[17:00] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[17:00] <ubuntujenkins> this came out of a question raised on quickshot The quickshot user isn't removed when the program is removed
[17:00] <ubuntujenkins> I have added it to the todo list
[17:00] <titeuf_87> Should it be removed?
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> I will look into it and see if it is possible, maybe an option to remove it/
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> like when you except java licence agrement or configure grub.
[17:02] <titeuf_87> Usually when you uninstall an app you keep its config files in your home dir, I guess it's similar here and we shouldn't touch this?
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> this was the original question https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+question/105213
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> good point
[17:03] <titeuf_87> Bleh, glade file looks all messed up again.
[17:04] <ubuntujenkins> thats why i haven't touched it
[17:04] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: humphreybc noticed a typo in the screenshot names, I haven't made the changes in the quickshot branch, how much code needs changing to fix it?
[17:22] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, Do you still get prompted to change the resolution?
[17:23] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[17:24] <titeuf_87> Weird, it doesn't for me anymore.
[17:24] <ubuntujenkins> what graphics are you on?
[17:24] <titeuf_87> nvidia
[17:24] <ubuntujenkins> let me double check
[17:25] <titeuf_87> Ah think I found it, let me try it out.
[17:26] <titeuf_87> Ok, found what the problem was and fixed it too :)
[17:27] <ubuntujenkins> what was it ti works here
[17:27] <titeuf_87> In the detechgrahpics function, for nvidia it never called on_ok_changeres() like it should.
[17:28] <ubuntujenkins> strange how it works for me
[17:46] <revberaldo> hello
[17:46] <ubuntujenkins> hello revberaldo
[17:46] <revberaldo> can anyone tell me where do I download the ubuntu manual source?
[17:47] <revberaldo> It would be nice to have a kind of “latex visual reference”
[17:47] <ubuntujenkins> have you used bzr before?
[17:47] <revberaldo> not really but I have used git
[17:47] <dutchie> the branch is quite big, and we've got lots of helper commands
[17:47] <ubuntujenkins> have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors
[17:47] <dutchie> it's probably not your best example of vanilla LaTeX
[17:48] <revberaldo> thank you, ubuntujenkins
[17:48] <ubuntujenkins> the total is 145mb
[17:48] <revberaldo> dutchie I have some experience with latex
[17:48] <revberaldo> ubuntujenkins my connection is fast enough :)
[17:48] <revberaldo> (but not that fast)
[17:49] <dutchie> still, I don't think it'll be massively useful as a visual reference
[17:49] <ubuntujenkins> I am at home with a sucky interent speed
[17:50] <revberaldo> dutchie well, I'll try anyway...  I want to see what can I do with large LaTeX knowledge
[17:50] <dutchie> sure
[17:51] <revberaldo> well, thank you all
[17:51] <ubuntujenkins> np
[18:55] <Daker> Hello
[19:48] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf_87, Quickshot was used to capture all of the Firefox screencaps last night. It worked (almost) perfectly. :)
[19:48] <Red_HamsterX> My last night.
[19:48] <titeuf_87> What didn't work?
[19:48] <Red_HamsterX> (UTC-7)
[19:49] <Red_HamsterX> It's clipping one row of pixels from hte bottom of each window (I know how to fix this), and I needed to fix a few minor bugs, all of which were on my side.
[19:49] <Red_HamsterX> Just letting you know it's working. Great job. :)
[19:52] <titeuf_87> To show the reference screenshot, I'm thinking about just adding an extra button in the screenshot list.
[19:53] <titeuf_87> Probably not the best way for the UI-side, but it's the simplest way for now without changing too much.
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, that's what I'd do.
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> Until we rebuild it based on user feedback.
[19:53] <titeuf_87> April was the deadline right?
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> hell guys
[19:54] <Red_HamsterX> I think that's the target, yes.
[19:54] <Red_HamsterX> A wonderful Hades to you, too, ubuntujenkins.
[19:54] <titeuf_87> Hey ubuntujenkins
[19:55] <ubuntujenkins> how are we doing?
[19:55] <Red_HamsterX> I should be done with backend stuff today, so I'll start taking care of any usability issues added to the Etherpad after that.
[19:55] <Red_HamsterX> We're doing well.
[19:55] <Red_HamsterX> Quickshot works in practice.
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> I am liking the list of stuff for future releases
[19:57] <Red_HamsterX> Feel free to add/comment/ctiricise.
[19:57] <Red_HamsterX> I just came up with that while waking up.
[19:57] <titeuf_87> The 31st and the 1st I won't be around as I'm going to be two days at the MS Tech Days, just letting you all know cause I won't be able to work on quickshot then.
[19:57] <Red_HamsterX> (To delay having to do taxes, which I'm doing now)
[19:57] <dutchie> titeuf_87: freedom hater ;)
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> I like it a lot, I am going to add some stuff to the devel flag so that a normal run will check if you are using lucid or not
[19:58] <Red_HamsterX> Can't own the opposition without knowing what they're doing. =P
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> we don't want people taking screenshots in karmic
[19:58] <titeuf_87> dutchie, I'm tempted to wear my gnome shirt, but I don't think my work would really appreciate that :(
[19:59] <dutchie> heh
[19:59] <ubuntujenkins> but with the devel flag you can run it on any system. Does that seam a good idea or is there a better way of doing it?
[19:59] <Red_HamsterX> It seems like a good enough way of doing it.
[20:00] <Red_HamsterX> That or --debug.
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> what are you guys running?
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> I am on lucid
[20:01] <titeuf_87> karmic for me
[20:01] <Red_HamsterX> Debian testing for most development, Karmic for things like the server, and Lucid for testing.
[20:02] <Red_HamsterX> I use Debian for most things.
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> as we have to use the devel flag to run the latest version i think it makes sense to put it in with that?
[20:03] <Red_HamsterX> --devel currently ony changes how the quickshot user gets set up.
[20:03] <Red_HamsterX> only*
[20:03] <Red_HamsterX> Either flag's good. I'm running with both of them.
[20:04] <Red_HamsterX> We don't really have a design standard yet.
[20:05] <ubuntujenkins> I haven't run debug yet must see what it is like
[20:06] <titeuf_87> It just spams your console.
[20:06] <Red_HamsterX> It just spams the console with status printouts.
[20:08] <Red_HamsterX> It's useful if you need to trace the path the program is taking.
[20:10] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: in the dictonary  file why is the command have ~ on the next line?
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> nautilus
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> ~
[20:20] <titeuf_87> The ~ is synonym for your home dir. So that command will open nautilus on your home directory.
[20:21] <Red_HamsterX> Each line represents a separate token.
[20:21] <Red_HamsterX> So we don't have to escape everything.
[20:21] <Red_HamsterX> Aside from that, what titeuf_87 said.
[20:22] <ubuntujenkins> ok make sense, ~ means home
[20:23] <Red_HamsterX> ~<username> means <username>'s home.
[20:23] <donri> Eww, they made the power switch red?
[20:23] <dutchie> donri: only when you have to reboot
[20:23] <donri> Oh!
[20:23] <Red_HamsterX> ~flan == /home/flan on a default setup.
[20:23]  * donri is mid-update.
[20:23] <Red_HamsterX> ~root would be /root on a Debian system.
[20:24] <dutchie> and on an ubuntu system too
[20:24] <ubuntujenkins> Its such a random symbol to use, I can't think of a better one though
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> It's a convenient shortcut for scripting.
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> It's been around forever.
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> Since, like, the inception of Unix.
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> You see it in Apache a lot.
[20:25] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan on my home server links to /home/flan/public_html
[20:25] <Red_HamsterX> Ah, you're right, dutchie. I forgot that root was defined on Ubuntu.
[20:26] <dutchie> This practice derives from the Lear-Siegler ADM-3A terminal in common use during the 1970s, which happened to have the tilde symbol and the word "Home" (for moving the cursor to the upper left) on the same key.
[20:26] <dutchie> according to WP
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> (I thought it was actually left out of /etc/passwd, rather than merely being deprived of a password)
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> (I dunno why I thought this, though, given that root can own things)
[20:32] <ubuntujenkins> has anyone heard from mattgriffin?
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> Just added a few bits to the dictionary
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> 'Kay. They'll get auto-pulled in twenty minutes.
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> (Or I can force it if you want to test)
[20:42] <ubuntujenkins> no only little things here and there
[20:43] <Red_HamsterX> Like replacing my "Dunno, lawl"s?
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> Yep and any missing commands
[20:44] <Red_HamsterX> Yay.
[20:57] <ubuntujenkins> If i show the user a link how can i make it click able (in a python window)
[20:58] <titeuf_87> Isn't there a special kind of label for that?
[20:59] <ubuntujenkins> possibly I am changing a current label when the user launches and the are not using lucid. It will point them at the wiki and the live cd
[21:02] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, from what I can find in glade, you'll need to use a linkbutton
[21:03] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i just discovered, I will have to add an extra lable
[21:03] <donri> Does pango markup support anchor links?
[21:05] <titeuf_87> I'm not sure donri
[21:08] <donri> Quite sure I've seen links mid-labels with Gtk.
[21:08]  * ubuntujenkins googles what donri said
[21:08] <Red_HamsterX> You could try it. (I'd volunteer, but I'm almost done with one of the more painful tax forms)
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> how do i set pango mark up for the label? It is already set in glade but doesn't work when you change the label text
[21:56] <titeuf_87> try label.set_markup?
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> I will have a go
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> night all o/
[22:05] <titeuf_87> Goodnight ubuntujenkins.