[12:24] <toma> Tonio___: ?
[12:27] <Tonio___> toma: yes, I know, I have issues with my adsl line......
[12:28] <toma> Tonio___: it seems the split between digikam and showview has some of the same icons in both packages, causing trouble
[12:29] <Tonio___> toma: ah.......
[12:29] <Tonio___> toma: should have a conflict when installing showfoto then ?
[12:29] <Tonio___> let me have a loog
[12:29] <Tonio___> look
[12:29] <toma> Tonio___: yep
[12:29] <Tonio___> toma: seems an icon causes trouble indeed......
[12:30] <toma> Tonio___: there is a br, but i can not find it
[12:30] <Tonio___> I'm fixing this, but it'll have to wait a bit to be opened.....
[12:30] <toma> Tonio___: sure... thnxs!
[12:33] <toma> nite!
[01:26] <ryanakca> how can I completly uninstall kde4 so that I can reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <nixternal> hey, anyone hear of art issues causing a pop up to occur and say it is using to many cpu resources or what not?
[01:50] <nixternal> nm, as searching arts in malone lets you know about it
[01:50] <nixternal> boog 68659
[03:01] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee!
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[03:02] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind
[03:03] <Hawkwind> How's life in Aussie land
[03:03] <Jucato> DST'd
[03:03] <Hobbsee> our home internet isnt working, which is fun
[03:03] <Jucato> :P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> other than that, assignments
[03:03] <Hobbsee> heh, that too
[04:57] <nixternal> Hawkwind: ping?
[05:27] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Pong?
[05:27] <nixternal> yo yo homey
[05:27] <nixternal> how are your e17 repos?
[05:27] <nixternal> are they up to date?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> I haven't built a new Edgy in a few days simply because nothings really changed in CVS worth updating
[05:30] <nixternal> it is safe to install it then?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Absolutely
[05:30] <nixternal> good deal...
[05:31] <Hawkwind> I'll probably update over the next few days
[05:46] <nixternal> oh wow, i found my old e themes
[05:47] <Jucato> e as in enlightenment?
[05:48] <nixternal> ya
[05:48] <nixternal> i must say, e17 is quite hot
[05:48] <Jucato> yeah looks good. right Hawkwind? :P
[05:50] <nixternal> i wonder if these themes from say, the 90's will work with e17
[05:50] <nixternal> if so..im installing my simplistic hacker theme and calling it a night ;)
[05:50] <Jucato> whoa? 90's? hehehe
[05:50] <nixternal> 98/99 time frame
[05:50] <Jucato> ooh RMS is going to be there on Saturday?
[05:51] <nixternal> yes, and I get to run Emacs sitting next to him, enjoying some fine cigars ;)
[05:51] <Jucato> hahah :)
[05:51] <Jucato> hm... is it true that he doesn't like Ubuntu very much? (cause of the restricted modules/drivers shipped)
[05:52] <nixternal> he doesn't like ubuntu, he respects kubuntu to a point
[05:52] <nixternal> but is angry with us that we ship the restricted and use the GNU/Linux...the GNU/Linux is what he is happy with
[05:53] <Jucato> what? he respects Kubuntu, even though it uses KDE? that's a surprise?
[05:53] <ajmitch> he'll be angry with feisty, if binary drivers are enabled by default
[05:53] <Jucato> lol
[05:54] <Jucato> I heard sabdfl wants XGL/AIGLX/Compiz/Beryl stuff on by default
[05:54] <nixternal> oh lord, i sure hope now
[05:54] <nixternal> arg
[05:54] <nixternal> s/now/not
[05:55] <Jucato> I think he does... well at least Hobbsee said so
[05:56] <nixternal> well, that will alienate a ton of people
[05:56] <nixternal> plus there is no way none of that garbage will even be usable by then..so im not worrying
[05:56] <Jucato> hm.. maybe "on by default" isn't the right term... :)
[05:56] <ajmitch> nixternal: yes, he does, and the beryl people think they can get it ready
[05:57] <ajmitch> Jucato: no, that's exactly what sabdfl wants
[05:57] <Jucato> ooh
[05:57] <nixternal> oh man
[05:57] <Jucato> Kubuntu does a Kororaa...
[05:57] <nixternal> NOOOOOO
[05:57] <ajmitch> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/beryl-by-default
[05:57] <nixternal> Kororaa doesn't work on 64bit
[05:57] <nixternal> ajmitch: not installed by default I hope
[05:58] <ajmitch> nixternal: "We would like to enable Beryl, the community branch of Compiz, by default in Edgy+1. This topic will scope out the work needed to make that happen."
[05:58] <ajmitch> Registrant:
[05:58] <ajmitch> Mark Shuttleworth
[05:58] <ajmitch> can it be any more explicit? :)
[05:58] <ajmitch> nixternal: we've spent a few days doing that in -motu
[05:58] <nixternal> well, they won't put it in xubuntu i hope ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> stomping your feet and crying like little school girls?
[05:59] <ajmitch> well, ranting
[05:59] <Jucato> hehe
[05:59] <Jucato> glad I'm not there :)
[05:59] <nixternal> you don't want it either ajmitch?
[05:59] <ajmitch> not particularly
[05:59] <ajmitch> I just installed it on my laptop
[05:59] <ajmitch> disabled most of the plugins to be able to have a useful desktop
[05:59] <nixternal> ya, we installed it on saturday at Ubuntu Chicago..and it was...umm awful and useless
[06:00] <Jucato> I want to be able to installa nd use it easily, but I don't want it installed or turned on by default on an install...
[06:00] <nixternal> it looks cool, but i have so many windows open, and if i alt+tab to some wobbling crap, i will jump out of my first floor window and plummet to my....embarrassment
[06:01] <ajmitch> I disabled all the animation, the wobbling, etc
[06:01] <nixternal> then it is even more useless
[06:01] <Jucato> oh well, they don't call him "sabdfl" for nothing :)
[06:02] <ajmitch> about the only things left are the translucent windows, shadows & cube
[06:02] <nixternal> all of the themes have vista'ish looks to them, and they are all ugly, which that is reparable...but the resource use, the fact you have to have one of maybe three types of vid cards in order for it to work is a damn shame
[06:02] <Jucato> I would probably disable the wobbly windows too...
[06:02] <ajmitch> I found one theme that's close to the default
[06:02] <nixternal> ok, cube is useless, but kind of cool, just in case you happen to forget which window your stuff is on
[06:02] <ajmitch> it's not working too badly on the i915
[06:03] <nixternal> i know my 8 desktops by default, and my alt+shift+# works just great, translucent is cool, shadows needs a lot of work because they are blurry yet, and i like that "shrinking to the desktop" effect
[06:03] <nixternal> like the Macs have
[06:03] <nixternal> well i can say it sucks on NVidia
[06:04] <nixternal> and I can say good luck with a Intel 965 chipset
[06:04] <nixternal> it won't even boot into x
[06:04] <Jucato> I just wished KDE's composite manager worked properly so I could have translucency and shadows without having to install beryl...
[06:04] <nixternal> kde 4 will have that fixed supposedly
[06:05] <Jucato> but we all know how far kde 4 is :)
[06:05] <nixternal> heh, about as far as team fortress classic?
[06:05] <Jucato> about as far as Vista was last at the beginning of this year :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> duke nukem forever!
[06:06] <Jucato> yeah
[06:07] <Jucato> nixternal: you're using a regular kubuntu install right? (kwin, kicker?)
[06:07] <nixternal> yup
[06:07] <nixternal> default everything man...functional is my motto
[06:07] <Jucato> hehehe
[06:07] <Jucato> so I guess you only have one panel?
[06:08] <nixternal> tis all i need, especially when you have Katapult
[06:08] <Jucato> hhehe ok nevermind, I just figured out the "bug" I was going to ask el about :P
[06:08] <nixternal> now that I figured I can make a directory in ~/ and symlink everything i want katapult to start up that isn't in kmenu...i don't even need a taskbar anymore
[06:09] <Jucato> oh yeah that's a smart move! :)
[06:09] <Jucato> (although I usually go with keyboard shortcuts via Input Keys)
[06:10] <Jucato> hm... "Configure Panel doesn't adjust automatically when extra panels are added or removed"
[06:10] <Jucato> I'll probably file a bug report later :)
[06:22] <fdoving> if you hide some icons in the systray you'll get an arrow to press to show/hide those icons. righ-click on it, and you'll find another bug. (if it's not just me)
[06:22] <fdoving> have to go to work.
[06:22] <fdoving> bye.
[06:22] <Jucato> bye fdoving!
[06:22] <Tm_T> fdoving: Wjat bug?
[06:22] <Tm_T> h
[06:23] <fdoving> Tm_T: the menu is horizontal, and strange.
[06:23] <Jucato> ??
[06:24] <Tm_T> I haven't seen seen that.
[06:24] <fdoving> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/edgy-ss/kicker_systray_righclick_bug.png
[06:25] <Jucato> looks fine to me..
[06:25] <Jucato> at least in English...
[06:26] <fdoving> I have to go to work. But the screenshot shows my rightclick menu.
[06:26] <fdoving> bye.
[06:26] <Jucato> bye!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping @ beryl stuff
[08:41] <Jucato> hehe :)
[08:41] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee :)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[08:41] <Hobbsee> it's a little late now, but they've stopped the dapper versions of beryl, so that they'll break.
[08:42] <Jucato> huh?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> er, so that they wont break
[08:43] <Jucato> heheh :)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> they backported edgy's xorg and mesa to dapper.   that's gotta be a recipe for trouble.
[08:44] <Jucato> whoa. definitely... 7.1 on Dapper?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> yup
[08:44] <Jucato> tsk tsk :P
[08:44] <Hobbsee> which is why everyone had trouble with dist-upgrades - they'd put a higher version in than was in edgy, too
[08:45] <Jucato> er...
[08:45] <Jucato> gotta strangle them :/
[08:45] <Jucato> well, at least they're not the only ones responsible for a lot of dist-upgrade problems :)
[08:46] <Jucato> we always have automatix and easyubuntu as scapegoats... :P
[08:46] <Hobbsee> easyubuntu is fairly safe
[08:46] <Hobbsee> i believe
[08:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, i cant go and yell at the automatix people, as much as i'd like to.
[08:46] <Jucato> well, I guess people will keep on using them again and again...
[08:47] <Hobbsee> they seem to like people telling them to go fishing
[08:47] <Hobbsee> yeah well - hopefully common customisations will reduce that problem
[08:47] <Hobbsee> but quinn's very interested in testing dist-upgrades now :)
[08:48] <Jucato> hm... original compiz == quinn ?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> no
[08:48] <Jucato> ah beryl?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> the beryl fork == quinn
[08:48] <Hobbsee> compiz is in the repos anyway
[08:48] <Jucato> I guess this spec for Feisty is going to be a sort of "endorsement" of Beryl by Ubuntu...
[08:49] <Hobbsee> so it seems
[08:49] <Hobbsee> then again, other distros seem to be focussing on compiz
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and if it gets into ubuntu, presumably that doesnt necessarily mean it gets into kubuntu as well
[08:49] <Jucato> but very few have releases that have them enabled and on by default
[08:50] <Hobbsee> no distro has beryl enabled by default, i believe.  compiz, yes
[08:50] <Jucato> not to mention we'll have to shave of a few packages to accomodate those... well KAudioCreator is going anyway...
[08:50] <Jucato> yeah
[08:50] <Hobbsee> there's a point
[08:50] <Hobbsee> i didnt even look at the gnome deps on it
[08:51] <Hobbsee> that being said, they were talking about moving to dvd anyway
[08:51] <Jucato> but Hobbsee, if Ubuntu gets Beryl and Kubuntu doesn't follow suit, we might have an uproar...
[08:51] <Jucato> huh? DVD images only?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> who knows
[08:52] <Hobbsee> there was a spec for it, and a thread on ubuntu-devel ML
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: depends who wants it.  but i'm not sure what feisty will offer in terms of new stuff for kde, as such
[08:53] <Jucato> hm... maybe it's time for Ubuntu to consider multiple CD's...
[08:54] <Hobbsee> bleh.
[08:54] <Hobbsee> that would go against the philosophy, wouldnt it?
[08:55] <Jucato> which part of the philosophy?
[08:55] <Jucato> but no, add on CD's only probably
[08:55] <Hobbsee> about ubuntu being a 1cd distro
[08:56] <Jucato> but if they're going to move to DVD...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> true
[08:56] <Hobbsee> who knows - they'll discuss it
[08:57] <Jucato> but anyway, if technology would allow it, the first CD would contain the same basic install, but the other CD's would contain other the other packages.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> and it wouldnt be mandatory to download the others.  GAH!!!
[08:57] <Jucato> yes! definitely!
[08:58] <Jucato> no mandatory downloading!
[08:58] <Jucato> it should be totally optional :)
[08:58] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[08:59] <Jucato> oh well... just suggesting. I'm sure you've heard it all before :)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> actually, they havent really talked about it before this
[09:01] <Hobbsee> but gnome had lots of trouble with cd spac,e not sure about kde
[09:02] <Jucato> the Edgy Desktop CD of Ubuntu is 698MB iirc...
[09:03] <Hobbsee> indeed - and they worked very hard to get it like that
[09:04] <Jucato> to not exceed that, you mean?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:07] <Jucato> ah :)
[09:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: how many panels do you have?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: in kde?   1
[09:18] <Jucato> ah
[09:18] <Hobbsee> then again, in xfce it doesnt look so off
[09:18] <Jucato> hehehe. well I might have 2 panels at times, but not in the GNOME-ish style
[09:19] <Jucato> anyway, I thought I ran into some sort of a bug with the panel. but not really sure
[09:47] <_d> Is Lure here?
[09:48] <_d> Lure?
[09:49] <_d> I can't seem to get rid of the lock screen password after hibernating kubuntu edgy
[09:49] <_d> I have tried turning 'lock screen' off under kpowersave and also commenting out screen lock in /etc/default/acpi-support so I'm all out of ideas
[10:30] <Jucato> moin el! :)
[10:31] <el> moin Jucato :)
[10:31] <Jucato> el: are you free for another System Settings question? :)
[10:32] <el> Jucato, yes, if not tooo long ;-)
[10:34] <Jucato> ok I'll make it short. the Panel settings were removed form System Settings, right? well, there are times when Kicker borks and hides itself completely, even though it's running. restarting Kicker doesn't reset it to it's normal position. But since the Panel settings in System Settings are gone, there's no way to bring them back except through kcontrol
[10:34] <Jucato> (me wonders if *that* was short at all...)
[11:16] <Mez> does kmail allow me to choose an email address 'm sending from ?
[11:18] <Jucato> Mez: yes I think so
[11:24] <Hobbsee> however, there's no way to verify that it's from me
[11:24] <Jucato> we have logs
[11:24] <Jucato> :P
[11:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you pinged?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  i found out that there's no specific way to get a different theme based on if you're using gnome/kde with beryl
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the only way around that would be metapackages
[11:34] <Riddell> it is very gtk based from my observations
[11:34] <Riddell> I think we'd be better waiting for kwin 4 in feisty+1
[11:35] <Hobbsee> oh good
[11:36] <Hobbsee> and then hopefully the ubuntu people will be over blign by then :P
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, that type of bling, anyway
[11:36] <Jucato> so no beryl for feisty?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i suspect people would be wanting to see kde 4 in all it's glory, rather than the bling of beryl, but we'll see.
[11:37] <Jucato> yeah
[11:37] <Hobbsee> it does take away a *lot* from the wm
[11:37] <Jucato> and with the work being done on kwin 4, we might not need it that much :)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> (artwork, keyboard shortcuts, number of desktops, etc)
[11:37] <Jucato> ah it takes away keyboard shortcuts?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:38] <Jucato> big bummer for me
[11:38] <Hobbsee> doesnt let you use the default kwin ones, only it's own
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[11:38] <Hobbsee> mind you, the cube is kinda pretty
[11:38] <Jucato> yeah pretty... and the window switcher
[11:39] <Hobbsee> true
[11:39] <Jucato> other than that (and translucency)... I don't know.. :)
[11:42] <ajmitch> that's all I use of it :)
[11:42] <Jucato> hahah :)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> kde does translucency, iirc
[11:44] <Jucato> kompmgr is not very.. um... reliable all the time.. :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> heh.  like kmail then :P
[11:46] <Jucato> lol
[11:46] <Jucato> I find kmail to be very reliable (at least 98% of the time) :P
[11:47] <Hobbsee> lucky
[01:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[01:54] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[01:55] <Riddell> hi Mez
[01:55] <Mez> Riddell - bug 69479
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69479 in katapult "SRU: katapult" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69479
[01:55] <Mez> just an FYI really
[02:46] <Mez> kde bug 136411
[02:46] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[02:46] <Riddell> mm, I know
[02:48] <Mez> Riddell, was that to do with the SRU or the bug ?
[02:50] <Mez> Riddell; what do you think of a plugin for katapult that we can do for example bug 12345 and it'll load up the bug page in kde (or similar)
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[03:09] <MidMark> hi guys, why updating with apdet from dapper to edgy a lot of important packages aren't installed?
[03:09] <MidMark> kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled automatically and ubuntu-minimal sometimes isn't installed
[03:09] <MidMark> this produce a lot of errors
[03:12] <Hobbsee> MidMark: known, tha'ts why we say change the repos and install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal and a couple of others to upgrade
[03:13] <Jucato> oh Hobbsee! you're still there :)
[03:13] <MidMark> yes but why this doesn't happens automatically?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[03:13] <MidMark> kubuntu-meta bug?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> MidMark: due to transitions - python transitions and the like
[03:15] <MidMark> Hobbsee: that cannot be fixed with a simple meta package?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> MidMark: i dont believe so
[03:17] <MidMark> I think so would be best to produce a package called "upgrade to edgy" with a script that do everything
[03:17] <MidMark> this avoid a lot of requested help from people
[03:18] <Riddell> MidMark: an upgrading tool will be a priority for feisty
[03:18] <MidMark> Riddell: great!
[03:23] <MidMark> Riddell: I think adept should have more support, still have all issues from 2.0 like no input from keyboard, no temp deletions, no possibility to add media repositaries...
[03:23] <Riddell> MidMark: all developers welcome (can probably be bountied too)
[03:24] <MidMark> Riddell: yes can be nice to become developer... but I have not enough time... and no money to do for free...
[03:25] <MidMark> or I mean: to work 2 hours every week it's ok, but not a full time job
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Good things can be done in 2 - 3 hours per week.  Imagine if everyone does that on one project :)
[03:42] <Hawkwind> What package is dh_make part of ?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> Or better yet, what command can I run to find out what package dh_make is in ?
[03:43] <Riddell> apt-cache search dh_make
[03:44] <Hawkwind> Hah.  I thought it was part of something totally different.  Bahh, I feel dumb now
[03:44] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:45] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi Hawkwind
[03:46] <Jucato> hi bddebian! :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:54] <MidMark> Hawkwind: or go to packages.ubuntu.com and search which package has it
[05:27] <_d> Is Lure here?
[05:30] <_d> I've been told he's the guy to ask about my problem with not being able to turn off the hibernate password under Edgy
[05:32] <Riddell> hibernate password?
[05:33] <Lure> _d: I am here
[05:33] <_d> Hi lure!
[05:33] <_d> yep, I can't turn it off
[05:33] <Lure> _d: sebas has attached a patch to have lock for hibernate/suspend configurable - but very unlikely this will get in edgy-updates
[05:34] <Lure> _d: did you try that patch?
[05:34] <_d> Using the hibernate option under the KDE log-out menu that is
[05:34] <Lure> _d: true, for that there is no configuration.... :-(
[05:35] <_d> He pointed me towards a patch for that laptop power tool, g-something??
[05:35] <Lure> We need to put this on the list for Edgy - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop
[05:35] <Riddell> why would you want it configurable?
[05:36] <_d> Under SUSE I could turn the password for that off by turning off 'Lock Screen' under kpowersave
[05:36] <Lure> Riddell: some people do not care about locks
[05:36] <Lure> Riddell: it is just a simplification vs. configuration issues
[05:37] <_d> sebas pointed me towards a patch for guidance, which tells me I can't run coz I'm not on a laptop
[05:38] <_d> does that patch make it run on desktop PCs too?
[05:38] <Lure> _d: this patch will not fix lock in logout dialog
[05:38] <_d> no use to me then
[05:39] <_d> so I'll have to wait for feisty to get passwordless hibernate under kubuntu then will I?
[05:40] <Riddell> _d: why the need for password less resume?
[05:40] <_d> convenience
[05:41] <_d> I like auto-login as I'm the only user of my machine
[05:41] <_d> I'm surely not the only one like this either ;)
[05:41] <Jucato> Lure: excuse me, about your comment in the KubuntuHiddenFiles page. iirc, it was imbrandon who suggested editing /.hidden symlink itself, so that if ever the location of hidden-root changes, the changes made by the user would still remain
[05:42] <Lure> Jucato: no problem, it is just that it would be good to have *one* way to do it properly.
[05:42] <Lure> Jucato: I would prefer something like this: sudo rm -f /.hidden ; sudo touch /.hidden
[05:43] <Lure> Jucato: or copy from hidden-root and then edit
[05:43] <Jucato> ah so permanently breaking the link with hidden-root?
[05:43] <Jucato> wouldn't that be reset if ever k-d-s was updated?
[05:44] <_d> One of the final remaining excuses that many people have for sticking with windows is that 'it boots faster' - I don't think you realise how important a feature passwordless hibernate resume is to expanding Linux's user base
[05:44] <_d> just a shame not all hardware supports it :(
[05:48] <fdoving> Jucato: no, k-d-s tests for /.hidden, if it exists it won't re-make the link
[05:49] <Jucato> ah good. and tough luck for those who deleted /.hidden and told others to delete it, too :)
[05:50] <fdoving> I don't like the feature. I hope it will be removed/improved dramatically for feisty.
[05:51] <jeroenvrp> sorry to ask it here folks, but #kubuntu seems more like a channel for the normal user
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> must I take extra actions to upgrade breezy to edgy!?
[05:52] <Jucato> fdoving: well, there's some noise about rennovating media:/ anyway
[05:52] <imbrandon> breezy --> dapper --> edgy
[05:52] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: breezy to dapper to edgy
[05:52] <fdoving> !upgrade | jeroenvrp
[05:52] <ubotu> jeroenvrp: For upgrading, see instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes (you can also find this in the channel topic: type "/topic")  -  See also !downgrade
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> thanks fdoving
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> I will bookmark that one
[05:53] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: and #kubuntu isn't just for normal users :)
[05:53] <jeroenvrp> I never receive an answer over there :-)
[05:53] <Jucato> depends on what time you asked. right now it high traffic in there
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> that is true indeed
[05:54] <Jucato> then again, you can't expect everyone in here to be able to answer 24/7 :)
[05:54] <jeroenvrp> so I must upgrade first to dapper and than to breezy, oh well....
[05:55] <Jucato> yep
[05:55] <jeroenvrp> breezy=edgy
[05:55] <fdoving> oh my god. why is kubuntu-default-settings source over 10MB? - isn't it just text?
[05:55] <Jucato> fdoving: no
[05:56] <imbrandon> fdoving, no , images as well for some things
[05:56] <Jucato> it has wallpapers, kdm themes, kicker themes, ksplash theme
[05:56] <imbrandon> ( like usplash )
[05:58] <Jucato> btw, is it really an intended behavior that mounted CD's/DVD's just show cdrom0 or cdrom1, and not the labels anymore?
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: there is one thing I can't find in the given url: do I need to reboot after the upgrade to Dapper has finished and begore I upgrade to Edgy?rade
[06:05] <Jucato> I don't think so. but fdoving would probably know better
[06:05] <fdoving> I belive ther is a old 'edgyWallpaper.tar.gz' that isn't needed, in kubuntu-default-settings source. artwork/ spesifically.
[06:06] <jeroenvrp> fdoving:  do I need to reboot after the upgrade to Dapper has finished and begore I upgrade to Edgy?
[06:06] <fdoving> jeroenvrp: Is it a problem for you to do so? If you can reboot easily, it wouldn't hurt. Though, it should upgrade just fine without rebooting.
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> fdoving: I'm doing it via ssh, thats why, but I can do a reboot off course, but if it upgrades just fine, why should I reboot (off course when I'm finished I should)
[06:09] <fdoving> I belive it should upgrade just fine.
[06:09] <fdoving> I have not tested though.
[06:10] <fdoving> I'll have to go eat. bbl.
[06:19] <imbrandon> fdoving, you might make sure that its not patched via a uuencoded patch , in that case the old picture is needed
[06:20] <imbrandon> k-d-s i dont think has any though ( patches )
[06:22] <fdoving> there is a .bzr directory too.
[06:22] <fdoving> 11M
[06:22] <fdoving> poor packaging.
[06:22] <fdoving> if it's not intended.
[06:22] <fdoving> .bzr in sources can't be intended, can it?
[06:23] <fdoving> 11M ?
[06:24] <fdoving> intended/intentional.
[06:25] <imbrandon> yes we maintain it in bzr and just commit from there so it is intentional
[06:25] <fdoving> to include it in the package?
[06:26] <imbrandon> feel free to add to the debian/rules to clean it everytime before commit
[06:28] <imbrandon> ( but yes on that side note, its upto the maintainer to remove the svn cvs bzr files , but not required in debian or ubuntu policy )
[07:03] <fdoving> imbrandon: very few packages include cvs/svn/bzr control directories. They usually don't beloing in packages.
[07:04] <Riddell> cvs/svn is never useful, bzr can be
[07:08] <fdoving> how is is usefull? it's 50% of the package. or more.. if edgyWallpaper.tar.gz isn't used.
[07:09] <Riddell> it's useful so people can make changes and commit then push them
[07:09] <fdoving> ok. does it grow?
[07:09] <Riddell> and it serves to remind people that it's a bzr maintained package
[07:10] <Riddell> yes it grows
[07:10] <fdoving> evil.
[07:11] <fdoving> can it be stripped down somehow? to just include essential information for users to commit and push?
[07:12] <imbrandon> yes some of that will happen as bzr on LP starts to use the new server end of the code in bzr 0.12 just released
[07:12] <imbrandon> brb , time to pop into the shower
[07:15] <fdoving> that would be usefull. dapper k-d-s source was ~3MB. edgy with .bzr is ~10MB.
[07:15] <fdoving> that's gziped.
[07:50] <nixternal> Riddell: with Kubuntu-docs, for updates to close like 7 bugs, would it be better to do patches, and then do a debdiff, or would it just be better to create a new package?
[07:52] <Riddell> nixternal: for -updates patches is best
[07:52] <nixternal> cool
[07:52] <Riddell> I think anyway
[07:52] <nixternal> bug 65685
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65685 in kubuntu-docs ""About Kubuntu" missing "wonderful-linux.html"" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65685
[07:52] <nixternal> that is a "hack fix" with an html redirect
[07:53] <nixternal> unless you can think of a better way to fix it, creating a redirect.html and puting it in the kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ directory for docs, and then directing /etc/alternatives/firefox-homepage to it would be the easiest fix, should i go about creating a patch to do so?
[07:54] <nixternal> or, is it possibl to just make the homepage goto /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html instead of doing the symlinks?
[07:57] <sebas> Hm, passwordless hibernate can be done by killall kdesktop_lock post-resume. =)
[07:58] <Tm_T> =)
[07:58] <Tm_T> sebas: I do passwordless locking/unlocking using dcop triggered by kdebluetooth :)
[07:59] <Riddell> nixternal: probably, so long as we test it lots
[07:59] <nixternal> well, i tested the redirect hack, and it works great
[07:59] <nixternal> i believe that was fdoving's idea
[08:00] <nixternal> i could just place the redirect.html in a folder, outside of the doc folders, possibly in debian?  and then either create a patch that would dh_install it to the correct place, and then a patch to attack the postinst script to change the symlink
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Riddell: you got a sec?
[08:18] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Riddell: was any 3.5.4 stuff ported to dapper
[08:18] <Riddell> gnomefreak: there were packages
[08:19] <gnomefreak> in security?
[08:19] <Riddell> no, on kubuntu.org
[08:19] <gnomefreak> i dont see that repo in his list is why i asked
[08:20] <gnomefreak> we have major breakage and i would like to pinpoint automatix as the issue but i cant say it is yet
[08:21] <gnomefreak> he has a mixed system 3.5.2/3.5.4 hoping aptitude will fix this
[08:21] <fdoving> gnomefreak: he probably installed part of kde from kubuntu.org and removed kubuntu.org sources from sources.list
[08:21] <gnomefreak> it says from dpkg is what bothers me about it
[08:21] <Riddell> could be automatix installed kubuntu 3.5.4
[08:21] <gnomefreak> you get that when you install froma  deb
[08:24] <fdoving> don't you get the same if you remove the repository from sources.list ?
[08:28] <gnomefreak> might i dont remember
[08:29] <fdoving> anyone looking at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/69494 ?
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:33] <fdoving> I'll add a patch to the package.
[08:35] <mhb> fdoving: oh, so this is why I can't log in to ICQ :o)
[08:36] <fdoving> probably :_)
[09:00] <nixternal> hmm..my patches didn't work at all
[09:03] <fdoving> Riddell: any idea when edgy-updates will open?
[09:07] <fdoving> Riddell: i have packages with fix for bug 69494 building for dapper and edgy. should consider publishing on kubuntu.org maybe?
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69494 in kopete "Kopete 0.12.3 can't log in to ICQ anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69494
[09:08] <Riddell> fdoving: should be open now
[09:08] <nixternal> fdoving: i used the redirect hack, and it works great for the ff homepage bug
[09:09] <fdoving> Riddell: great, could you upload a new kopete then? does the bug qualify for edgy-updates?
[09:09] <nixternal> packaging that stuff now
[09:09] <fdoving> nixternal: great :)
[09:12] <Mez> fdoving: shouldnt you consider an SRU for that ?
[09:13] <fdoving> SRU?
[09:13] <Mez> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:13] <Mez> !sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:14] <fdoving> would probably be a good idea.
[09:14] <fdoving> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/
[09:14] <fdoving> 3.5.5 fixes.
[09:14] <fdoving> for kubuntu.org dapper, and edgy kopete.
[09:15] <jeroenvrp> ivman
[09:16] <jeroenvrp> That's the only problem I have after upgrading to edgy, from breezy, via dapper
[09:16] <jeroenvrp> but do I need it?
[09:16] <jeroenvrp> it's not on my local filesystem
[09:17] <nixternal> what am i doing wrong with these docs that i can't get them to be called when building the package?
[09:17] <nixternal> my testing is not wroking, and i am about to start kicking and screaming ;)
[09:18] <nixternal> i can't get the patches to work
[09:18] <fdoving> want me to look at it?
[09:19] <nixternal> i created the patches directory, and put the .dpatches in the there with the 00list...i added DEB_PATCHDIRS := debian/patches/common debian/patches to the rules file
[09:19] <nixternal> am i missing something else?
[09:20] <fdoving> i would consider cdbs and simple-patchsys if I were you.
[09:20] <fdoving> it's very simple.
[09:21] <nixternal> cdbs-edit-patch patchname?
[09:21] <fdoving> yes.
[09:21] <nixternal> and then us vi
[09:21] <nixternal> that would be a ton of work, as the patches are decent in size
[09:21] <fdoving> ah. ok.
[09:22] <nixternal> but yes, if it was a simple patch, that is the way i would go
[09:22] <fdoving> gr.. have to go away for ~15 mins. kid going to bed.
[09:22] <fdoving> bbl.
[09:22] <allee> fdoving: mine are already ;)
[09:23] <allee> nixternal: what's the problem with the patches?
[09:23] <nixternal> they aren't being used
[09:23] <nixternal> not being applied i guess you can say
[09:23] <allee> nixternal: is cdbs used?
[09:23] <nixternal> no
[09:24] <nixternal> i take that back
[09:24] <nixternal> yes
[09:24] <nixternal> i just noticed it in the control file
[09:24] <allee> nixternal: does control include any *patch*.mk file?
[09:25] <nixternal> no
[09:25] <allee> if the patches are debian/patches/*.{diff,.patch}, then include simple-patchsys. if not maybe dpatch.mk or ...
[09:26] <nixternal> they are .dpatch
[09:26] <allee> then dpatch.mk afaik ...
[09:26] <nixternal> ya
[09:26] <nixternal> which i didn't add ;)
[09:55] <mhb> fdoving: I hope the patch for Kopete will be available as an update ASAP
[09:56] <fdoving> mhb: let's hope so. the package is fixed and available for i386 at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/ (edgy still uploading)
[09:57] <fdoving> I'll file a SRU request bug.
[10:19] <fdoving> mhb: are you on edgy x86? can you test http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/ ?
[10:21] <mhb> fdoving: right away
[10:29] <mhb> fdoving: hm, not working yet
[10:30] <mhb> fdoving: the weird thing is that the package is called kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 but the diff 0ubuntu2
[10:30] <fdoving> it is?
[10:30] <mhb> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/kopete_3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:30] <fdoving> oh crap.
[10:30] <mhb> that's what I've tested
[10:30] <fdoving> wrong dsc.
[11:20] <fdoving> mhb: new deb ready: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-edgy/
[11:32] <mhb> looks like it works
[11:33] <mhb> yes, it works
[11:34] <fdoving> good.
[11:58] <toma> seaLne: adjusted mailody so you get a dialog when you dont use kwallet


[06:04] <StevenK> persia: Do you want me to throw -default-settings into bzr, or you can be coerced into doing it? :-)
[06:04] <persia> StevenK: That's just init + push, isn't it?
[06:04] <StevenK> persia: init, add, commit, push
[06:05] <StevenK> persia: I've got the source, so I can, if you wish
[06:05] <persia> add for each file, or does the initial add grab them all?
[06:05] <persia> No, I should learn sometime.
[06:05] <nxvl> init doesn't grab anything
[06:05] <nxvl> then you need to add *
[06:06] <nxvl> them commit localy
[06:06] <persia> Does that work recursively?
[06:06] <nxvl> and then push into the server
[06:06] <nxvl> yup
[06:06] <nxvl> it will prompt every file it add
[06:06] <StevenK> 'bzr add *' does the right thing
[06:06] <persia> RIght.  ~ubuntu-mobile or ~ubuntu-mobile-dev?  I'm tempted by the former.
[06:07] <StevenK> Other stuff is under the former, too
[06:07] <StevenK> The seeds too
[06:07]  * persia goes to read documentation on Vcs-*
[06:07] <persia> I thought the seeds were under ~ubuntu-core-dev.  Did they get put back also at ~ubuntu-mobile?
[06:08] <nxvl> i think you can just sync/copy the branches from team to team
[06:09] <StevenK> Oh, let me look
[06:09] <StevenK> Oh, the seeds are -core-dev, you're right
[06:10] <persia> RIght.  I wanted the seeds to be ~ubuntu-mobile-dev, and that's actually the primary reason that group exists.
[06:10] <persia> Having the seeds under ~ubuntu-mobile-dev is in preparation for ArchiveReorganisation
[06:12] <persia> Right.  Usually I find Google exceptionally helpful, but currently it's not telling me about Vcs-Bzr:  What goes there, and what goes in Vcs-Bzr-browser?
[06:12] <persia> Err.  Nevermind.  I'll look at a reference package
[06:12] <persia> nxvl: Why isn't terminator a reference package :)
[06:13] <nxvl> for what?
[06:13] <nxvl> for VCS-*?
[06:13] <nxvl> it actually is
[06:13] <nxvl> IIRC
[06:13]  * nxvl check
[06:13] <persia> Hrm.  It is.  It's just not where I expected to see it.  Never mind.  I'm slow today.
[06:14] <nxvl> persia: it's monday, you'r kind of supposed to be
[06:16] <persia> nxvl: Why am I supposed to be slow on Monday?  I thought the intended purpose of the "weekend" was to refresh one for the following week.   Thanks.
[06:26] <persia> StevenK: Not a problem.  I still like actually using the archive for version control of packages, as I think it's less work, but since this makes it easier for you ...
[06:26]  * persia is strongly convinced by the argument in the NoMoreSourcePackages spec that a properly tracked archive *is* a VCS
[07:03] <StevenK> persia: -default-settings seeded, -meta on it's way to the archive.
[07:06] <persia> StevenK: Cool.
[07:29] <StevenK> persia: treb reviewed. There is duplicate Build-Depends. :-)
[07:29] <persia> Bah.  Missed that.  Fixing now.
[07:30] <persia> It ought be refreshed at 40 past the hour or so.
[07:48] <StevenK> persia: treb rubber stamped
[07:50] <persia> Sent to the archive
[07:50]  * StevenK peers at ume-announcer
[07:53] <StevenK> persia: I find the INSTALL symlink a little distateful, but I can cope.
[07:53] <StevenK> distasteful, even
[07:53] <persia> Hmm.  I wasn't sure about that.  While it works, it's likely to be broken if the build-dependencies aren't installed.
[07:54] <persia> If we pull a copy, do we not then need to keep it updated?
[07:56] <StevenK> persia: Not sure about that
[07:57] <persia> Well, since that's "upstream" code, and upstream has declared that there will be no further support, and upstream doesn't maintain a website or official code repo, I suspect we could change it with a minimum of fuss.
[07:57] <StevenK> persia: Just a comment, I'm not really fussed.
[07:58] <persia> OK.  I'd rather do it the right way, I'm just not sure of the right way.
[08:12] <StevenK> persia: I say we upload, keeping it in mind
[08:12] <persia> StevenK: Works for me.
[08:13] <StevenK> persia: Rubber stamped on REVU, too
[08:15]  * StevenK fixes fbreader
[09:13] <dexem> hi all
[09:15] <persia> Good day dexem
[09:17] <dexem> I'm trying to make a marquee-plugin that could listen some dbus signals... I think I'm doing it right but it doesn't call the handler function ... I'm doing this: http://rafb.net/p/OjZ9Qj17.html
[09:18] <dexem> does anybody know if there is something weird with the marquee-plugins?
[13:00] <ogra> persia, why do you set the g-p-m icon to never in the mid settings ?
[13:01] <ogra> ('m doing exactly the opposite in mobile)
[13:01] <persia> ogra: Because that's how it was in ume-config-common?
[13:01] <ogra> ah
[13:01] <ogra> you have a different power applet then i guess
[13:01] <StevenK> moblin-applets provides one.
[13:02] <StevenK> Perhaps we want to revisit that decision
[13:02] <ogra> heh, in the end we'll just merge mobile and ume :P
[13:03] <persia> Well, that depends on dropping hildon, really.
[14:05] <nxvl> hi
[14:05] <nxvl> is there any netbook remix developer here?
[14:05] <nxvl> i've been testing it in a VM and icons seems not to work
[14:05] <nxvl> is that a known issue?
[14:06] <nxvl> (and the right channel?)
[14:13] <persia> nxvl: Not precisely the right channel, but there isn't really any other.  Sometimes the remix developers are here, although usually it's -mid and -mobile developers.
[14:15] <pmcgowan> nxvl, i think clutter cant work in the VM
[14:15] <persia> Oh, yeah, that would be it.  None of the VMs have GL support right now.
[14:15] <nxvl> pmcgowan: oh! that might be
[14:15] <nxvl> :(
[14:17] <nxvl> pmcgowan: i was also wondering, why do ume-launcher it's added to my session automagically, but maximus dont'
[14:18] <nxvl> don't*
[14:19] <pmcgowan> nxvl, I'm not sure, you should ask bfiller later when he is in
[14:21] <nxvl> pmcgowan: thanks, i will do
[14:23] <nxvl> :D
[14:23] <emgent> hello
[14:25] <nxvl> hi
[19:21] <mockenh> I'm a bit lost as to where to ask for help, I'd be happy if someone could give me a pointer: where can I get information about the lpia port (that AFAIK UME uses as well) and will this port (and if so when) be released as a (cd) image with an installer? I'm running Hardy i386 on a Netbook but much prefer a lpia version for its optimizations.
[19:23] <ogra> there will likely be a USB key image based off the liveCD creating tools and using ubiquity for intrepid
[19:23] <ogra> but not for UME yet
[19:24] <mockenh> is there any blueprint or any other documentation about this (the lpia port)?
[19:24] <ogra> the lpia port is there since hardy, not sure there was a blueprint for it
[19:24] <ogra> (predates my involvement)
[19:25] <GrueMaster> The real question is; is your system using the Intel "Poulsbo" chipset or the 945gm chipset?
[19:25] <ogra> doesnt matter
[19:26] <ogra> the standard lpia kernel supports 9x5
[19:26] <mockenh> 945gme I belive
[19:26] <ogra> poulsbo is still rare in the wild afaik
[19:28] <GrueMaster> If it's 945gm, stick with the lpiacompat images.  the lpia images have the video driver specific to the GMA500 "Poulsbo" chipset.
[19:28] <ogra> we'll have a mobile seed thats just gnome with some changes and should easily be possible to turn into a UME desktop ... i'm just in the last steps before uploading a -defaul-sttings package for it
[19:29] <ogra> not sure yet if we'll have a downloadable image for it, but using livecd-rootfs you should easily be able to create your own image in intrepid after release
[19:38] <mockenh> hm, my knowledge in this area is limited (I'm more af a python app coder), what's the best course of action: be lazy, wait till intrepid is released and use a ready-made installer or get my hands dirty, learn stuff and install hardy-lpia by hand (and where do I start learning how do accomplish that)?
[19:40] <ogra> as GrueMaster said, there are images ... look at the chanel topic ... but the desktop might not be what you want for a netbook
[19:41] <ogra> you want the mccaslin image for lpiacompat and i9xx suport
[19:41] <mockenh> well, once I got a ubuntu system up and running and got myself a console I think I know how to turn UME into UNR
[19:42] <ogra> try it :) but YMMV
[19:43] <mockenh> Let's call it a learning experience :-)
[19:43] <ogra> heh, yeah
[19:46] <nxvl> bfiller: hi
[19:47] <nxvl> bfiller: i've been testing netbook remix and i was wondering why ume-launcher it's added to my session automagically, but maximus doesn't
[19:47] <nxvl> bfiller: and pmcgowan point me to you for that questions
[19:52] <mockenh> I can't do disk encryption with that since it's not an installer, right?
[19:59] <bfiller> nxvl: did you install an official image or just the indivual packages?
[20:00] <nxvl> just individual packages
[20:00] <nxvl> is there an oficial image?
[20:00] <nxvl> i installed hardy on a VM
[20:00] <nxvl> and then follow the steps into https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[20:02] <bfiller> nxvl: it's probably a bug that ume-launcher is added to your session, maximus .desktop file gets installed by a different configuraton package that is included in the image (it's not on launchpad)
[20:03] <bfiller> nxvl: as for the image, there is a beta release but I don't believe it's available to the public at the moment
[20:04] <mockenh> bfiller: interesting, is there any information when an image will be released?
[20:05] <bfiller> mockenh: probably soon but I don't know an official date
[20:06] <nxvl> bfiller: yeah that's what i thougt
[20:07] <bfiller> mockenh, nxvl : everything that is in the beta image is available on launchpad with the exception of the configuration packages, which are usually hardware dependent. So there is not much you are missing
[20:09] <nxvl> so, there is no much difference other than hardware specific on testing it from the image or from the separate packages
[20:15] <nxvl> bfiller: also i have one more question
[20:16] <nxvl> bfiller: does maximus replaces metacity or just complements it?
[20:17] <bfiller> nxvl: it compliments it. It's a daemon that listens for window open events and maximizes the window (if window class name not in gconf exception list)
[20:20] <mockenh> bfiller: I kinda thought UNR would also include be based on the lpia port to improve boot up, battery and performance
[20:21] <mockenh> -include
[20:26] <bfiller> mockenh: it is based on lpia
[20:30] <mockenh> bfiller: so that's what the installer would provide me over my current setup of hardy-i386+UNR-PPA packages.
[20:33] <bfiller> mockenh: that is correct, the installer would install a complete lpia based image. There are lpia version of the packages in the PPA for folks who have an lpia system.
[20:41] <mockenh> bfiller: I feel less and less confused :-) Now, I just found a daily build of an intrepid-lpia image. If I take that, install the system like I did with hardy-i386 and add the UNR-PPA packages then I have the same system the future installer will create (I wanna make sure I understand this right)
[20:45] <bfiller> mockenh: it will be close :) Couple of points: UNR has not been tested on intrepid and is currently based on hardy so there may be some issues. Another difference will be the default application set. The UNR installer image will have a slightly reduced/different set of applications installed by default than standard Ubuntu desktop. Other than that and perhaps some modifed gconf defaults, you'll be pretty close.
[20:54] <mockenh> bfiller: Cool, thanks a bunch for the clarification!
[20:55] <bfiller> mockenh: no problem
[20:55] <mockenh> ogra, GrueMaster: and thank you as well :-)
[20:55] <ogra> btw ymmv with ume-launcher on intrepid
[20:56] <ogra> it still depends on the hardy clutter version
[20:56] <ogra> there is work going on to fix that, but its not been done yet
[20:56] <ogra> (masterplan is to have the four apps in universe in intrepid afaik though
[20:56] <ogra> )
[20:57] <mockenh> ogra: since I discovered gnome-do I de-installed the GNOME menu and ume-launcher ;-)
[22:42] <ogra> persia, if you get up, ubuntu-mobile-default-settings is uploaded to revu (i dropped dh_gconf in favor of calling update-gconf-defaults manually in postinst/prerm since dh_gconf cant use multiple gconf files and i also have a new panel setup i apply)
[22:44] <ogra> the seed change to pull in the necessary apps is done as well but needs another meta package build


[13:45] <enyc> Right...
[13:46] <enyc> As per tjaalton instruction!   Installing xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon  packages from kinetic,  into focal  FIXES  horrible crash when try to rotate display on 22.04lts stable!
[13:52] <enyc> Specifically   xserver-xorg-video-ati_19.1.0-3_amd64.deb   xserver-xorg-video-radeon_19.1.0-3_amd64.deb   as per small patch/fix!   fix-rotation.diff: Fix crash on rotation. (Closes: #1009325) (LP: #1970473)
[13:52] <enyc> In every way I can tell this is working, 3d programs work, regression over ubuntu 20.04LTS nicely fixed in a very small patch.
[13:53] <enyc> **SO**  ** Can anybody here create an SRU while tjaalton away ? **
[14:17] <enyc> please =))  Im happy to help testing.
[16:47] <KGB-0> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Simon McVittie 398132 * running (extract-source: running; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[16:48] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome upstream/latest 9b16841 Simon McVittie * pushed 19 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3Gv9V
[16:48] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome upstream/latest 6596ef8 Georges Basile Stavracas Neto meson.build * Post-release version bump * https://deb.li/3wIS1
[16:48] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome upstream/latest 406a3d7 Pawan Chitrakar po/ LINGUAS ne.po * Add Nepali translation * https://deb.li/it0XN
[16:48] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome upstream/latest d5930b6 Debarshi Ray src/wallpaperdialog.c * wallpaperdialog: Don't leak the temporary GFile * https://deb.li/AWc
[16:48] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome upstream/latest f3adc85 Debarshi Ray src/wallpaperdialog.c * wallpaperdialog: Don't leak the temporary URI string * https://deb.li/3O28y
[16:49] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome upstream/latest a5de594 Debarshi Ray src/wallpaper.c * wallpaper: Don't leak the URI argument to SetWallpaperURI * https://deb.li/l8pC
[16:49] <KGB-2> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pristine-tar 4aa2b09 Simon McVittie xdg-desktop-portal-gnome_42.3.orig.tar.xz.delta xdg-desktop-portal-gnome_42.3.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for xdg-desktop-portal-gnome_42.3.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/bnLG
[16:56] <KGB-0> xdg-desktop-portal-gnome pipeline Simon McVittie 398132 * [8 minutes and 52 seconds] success (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: failed; reprotest: success; lintian: success; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)
[17:55] <enyc> ^^  Above is into Jammy not Focal  I should say.
[17:56] <enyc> ** Anybody in Desktop team / etc  able to help with setting up an SRU ?
[19:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> enyc: Everyone on the Desktop team is likely on their weekend.
[20:42] <enyc> Eickmeyer[m]: ok }  I know those who don't work on a weekeweekend style way, who knows :O


[00:10] <kingbeowolf> anyone using xorg edgers with a 7xxx series AMD card can speak to the quality of the experience?
[00:10] <kingbeowolf> namely https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[00:12] <holstein> kingbeowolf: i dont, but its pretty easy to try the ppa vs the supported version.. ppa's are not officially supported
[00:29] <kingbeowolf> holstein: what do you mean by "its pretty easy"
[00:30] <holstein> kingbeowolf: to add a ppa, and test the drivers you are asking about
[00:32] <kingbeowolf> holstein: it could screw things up though no?
[00:33] <holstein> kingbeowolf: what do i do? i have an install, that i literally try all the drivers on. i *always* have *all* my data backed up.. i expect that something might get screwed up using unsupported software on proprietary hardware
[00:33] <holstein> kingbeowolf: i test all the drivers, and config until im comfortable, then i usually do a fresh install
[00:35] <kingbeowolf> i have backups but i think it would take forever to reinstall and I only save my home directory not all my install software and stuff
[00:35] <kingbeowolf> what do you use ?
[00:36] <holstein> kingbeowolf: generally, i use what works
[00:36] <holstein> kingbeowolf: whats the issue? are you thinking of trying the PPA due to some performance issue?
[00:39] <kingbeowolf> holstein: yeah i think the newer AMD drivers will help solve some issues and hopefully give some extra support towards crossfire on the 7950
[00:39] <holstein> kingbeowolf: you should be able to read if that is true or not
[00:39] <holstein> kingbeowolf: you can add the ppa, and use ppa-purge to purge the drivers
[00:40] <holstein> !info ppa-purge
[00:51] <kingbeowolf> ill give it a shot thanks
[00:57] <autif> It seems like power manager does not respect settings in 13.10. For example, I chose "ask" for power button and "Nothing" for laptop lid is closed for both AC and Battery, but neither of these are respected. The computer sleeps when I put the lid down and powers off when I hit the power button. Has anyone heard of this?
[01:12] <holstein> autif: sometimes, its as simple as setting those in the place for the power adapter to be plugged, and its on batter, or vice versa
[01:13] <autif> holstein: yup - i have the same setting for both AC and battery - "Nothing" when lid is closed.  Enjoy the site.
[02:43] <xubuntu051> hi
[02:43] <xubuntu051> someone there?
[03:09] <uflaig> good day! Is there a possibility to put a wine application into the context menu?
[03:13] <holstein> uflaig: just add the application in general, with the command to start it
[03:14] <holstein> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[03:14] <uflaig> right
[03:21] <uflaig> sorry holstein , got a phonecall! thanks for the tip! I will add a custom item for my menu!
[03:32] <xubuntu761> buenas noches
[03:33] <Unit193> !es
[03:33] <xubuntu761> soy nuevo en xubuntu y espero que este foro sirva para mejorar mi experiencia con linux
[04:25] <autif> Found the solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360615/ubuntu-server-13-10-now-goes-to-sleep-when-closing-laptop-lid
[05:13] <KanoWins> hey guys
[05:13] <KanoWins> does anyone know anything about video flash problems with the browser?
[05:16] <Unit193> Got details?
[05:16] <KanoWins> well basically, youtube, for instance, starts a video and stops after a couple of seconds
[05:16] <KanoWins> this is with adobe flash player
[05:18] <KanoWins> this is in chromium and firefox
[05:19] <KanoWins> doesn't really have quite that problem with other distros, for example my backbox seems to play things fine
[05:22] <KanoWins> okay it starts with no sound, hiccups for a moment and then the generic error comes up
[05:25] <Unit193> Have you tried pepperflash?  And isn't Backbox based on Xubuntu anyway?
[05:25] <KanoWins> i was going to ask u what alternative there would be, i'll try pepperflash
[05:25] <KanoWins> i don't know about backbox being xubuntu based, only that they both use xfce
[05:26] <KanoWins> if i open the flash console in the video window, it kinda freezes
[05:27] <KanoWins> i wonder if it's a user issue, adobe flash probably only works with root login only
[05:29] <KanoWins> can't find pepperflash - is there a repository that it'll show up in?
[05:43] <Unit193> "adobe flash probably only works with root login only"  Umm, no, just, no.
[07:49] <xubuntu271> Hi, established chromium. When I open a couple of tabs that some of them lost the title. Why is that? :(
[07:52] <ObrienDave> new tabs or previously opened tabs?
[07:53] <xubuntu271> and the new tabs disappear headers
[07:55] <xubuntu271> open for example Wikipedia, something is happening and lost the title of this tab
[07:57] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1222718
[07:57] <elfy> maybe
[07:59] <ninjahattori> hi, why some icons like mail-reader or some i uget don't appear?
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> try a different icon set
[09:01] <XATRIX> Hi guys, i've got an issue
[09:01] <XATRIX> I have latest xubuntu, and Acer D255E netbook
[09:02] <XATRIX> When i try to minimize backlight of my LCD , it rises Display Properties diallog
[09:02] <XATRIX> Where i can setup resolution for displays
[09:03] <XATRIX> When i try to rise the backlight it doesn't
[09:11] <ObrienDave> dang, I can never remember where that setting is
[10:22] <razor_> hello
[10:23] <razor_> Just installed Xubuntu 12.04 @ old Fujitsu Amilo laptop. Problem  is no sound...where could i find working driver or is it impossible..
[11:00] <XATRIX> I have latest xubuntu, and Acer D255E netbook
[11:00] <XATRIX> When i try to minimize backlight of my LCD , it rises Display Properties diallog
[11:00] <XATRIX> Where i can setup resolution for displays
[11:00] <XATRIX> How can i make it not to show display settings while tuning brightness ?
[13:25] <dreamer> hi all. anybode experience with x2go? I'm trying to use it with our xubuntu image at work, but all I can get is a message with 'unable to load failsafe session' and some yadayada.
[13:25] <dreamer> I've tried to start the session with this: https://gist.github.com/redecs/5136841  <
[13:25] <dreamer> < but same result
[13:25] <dreamer> (aarg, typo-tuesday -_-)
[13:28] <cfhowlett> dreamer, no idea what that is, but there are more people in #ubuntu.  Might want to ask there.
[13:30] <dreamer> it's a bug with xubuntu, not ubuntu
[13:30] <dreamer> x2go is an implentation of nx
[13:31] <cfhowlett> dreamer, OK.  over my head, though.  sorry.  perhaps contacting the xubunt developers
[13:32] <dreamer> and here I thought that this was the xubuntu support channel ..
[13:32] <cfhowlett> tis.  but we're volunteers and users like you for the most part.  developers don't hang out here much
[13:33] <dreamer> I'll go to #xubuntu-devel then
[13:33] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:33] <cfhowlett> good luck
[13:33] <knome> dreamer, please don't.
[13:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> have you read the x2go docs?
[13:33] <dreamer> yes
[13:33] <knome> dreamer, it looks like you need to specifically tell x2go to start xfce
[13:33] <dreamer> I have
[13:34] <dreamer> and also tried xubuntu/xfce specific startup scripts
[13:34] <knome> have you asked their creators why they don't work?
[13:34] <dreamer> it works fine with other desktops. only xfce/xubuntu fails
[13:35] <dreamer> yes, they say it should work with xfce. the latest x2goclient has xfce as an option as well
[13:35] <dreamer> thus it seems xubuntu specific why it doesn't work
[13:35] <knome> yes... they say it "should work"
[13:35] <dreamer> but mostly I wanted to know if anyone here has experience
[13:35] <knome> have you tested it with other xfce-based distros?
[14:50] <xubuntu449> anyone here?
[14:56] <audrey> no
[14:56] <audrey> that's a stupid question
[16:44] <Lassis> Hello, ive got some issues with amd64 cpu during startup. any ideas ill be glad :D
[16:45] <fartboner> Lassis: might help to say what the issue is
[16:45] <Lassis> watchdog detects hard lock up on one of the cpus
[17:00] <lachvalk> What does "Fix Committed" signify in Launchpad?  e.g., http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygame/+bug/682144
[19:57] <niggardly> i need help, how do I format a new HDD?
[19:57] <niggardly> ext4
[19:58] <niggardly> gparted iirc
[19:59] <elfy> niggardly: I tend to do it with gparted
[20:00] <elfy> you can do it from command line if you want to
[20:00] <niggardly> elfy, i just created a msdos partition table, is this the way to go?
[20:00] <niggardly> now to create an ext4 partition for the whole table?
[20:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> the whole drive
[20:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> if that is your aim
[20:00] <elfy> if oyu only want one partition
[20:01] <niggardly> yes, whole drive, but do I have to have a partition? a msdos partition?
[20:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> no
[20:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> partitions are just that. the table is what stores the partitions.
[20:02] <niggardly> whats the difference between primary partition and extended partition?
[20:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> for example, in a win8 laptop, the table is not msdos/mbr. it's GPT.
[20:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> Exactly what the name implies. You can only have about 3 primary partitions on a drive. If you want to cut up the drive more, you make an extended partition to store logical partitions.
[20:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> iirc
[20:04] <elfy> 4 primaries - extended at least counts as a primary, and you can have 1 of those
[20:05] <elfy> there is a limit to how many logicals you can have in an extended iirc - but can't remember how many
[20:06] <maico> depends on disc size
[20:07] <maico> according to the VDm (virtual disc manager) you can put 1 primary and 4 logicals on a 750 gig disc
[20:08] <elfy> I've had way more than that on smaller drives
[20:08] <niggardly> I cannot copy anything onto the new HDD; its all owned by root
[20:09] <niggardly> tips?
[20:09] <niggardly> i forgot how to change permissions
[20:09] <niggardly> nautilus comes to mind...
[20:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> should only have easy access to your home directory.
[20:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just use sudo to launch apps I need to edit files outside of /home
[20:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, it depends on your needs
[20:15] <fartboner> niggardly: chmod
[20:19] <elfy> I - create mount point/ mount partition/ chown it
[20:20] <niggardly> id really appreciate instrucxtions on the noob level
[20:21] <niggardly> chmod and then what?
[20:54] <MVanDruff> has anyone had any problems with the new xubuntu not reading a sb audigy sound card
[20:54] <elfy> MVanDruff: works ok with my old one
[20:54] <knome> works with my audigy 2 card as well
[20:55] <MVanDruff> it stopped working
[20:55] <MVanDruff> i cant figure out why
[20:55] <MVanDruff> alsamixer will not run and i have uninstalled and reinstalled.
[20:55] <knome> MVanDruff, try using pavucontrol
[20:56] <elfy> MVanDruff: and have you tried removing/reseating it
[20:56] <MVanDruff> yes
[20:57] <MVanDruff> i only get a dummy output in pavucontrol
[20:58] <MVanDruff> but the card is listed as a pci device in term
[21:02] <MVanDruff> 02:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (rev 03)
[21:04] <knome> that's just the firewire port
[21:04] <MVanDruff> so is it not reading the soundcard at all?
[21:05] <knome> 04:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[21:05] <knome> i'm getting that.
[21:06] <knome> (and then a game port and firewire)
[21:06] <MVanDruff> http://pastebin.com/smnQ04yp


[00:12] <GridCube> i think it would be awesome if its default, it is a pretty useful tool
[00:12]  * GridCube opinions
[23:26] <dlumberg> My theme keeps disappearing on 13.04 is there a work around?
[23:26] <dlumberg> I can't think of how to phrase it right now, but it's not the window theme
[23:27] <dlumberg> Settings Manager > Appearance doesn't change when I change the selected theme...
[23:28] <dlumberg> it seems to happen after a crash, I think the last crash was due to RAM because I don't have swap...
[23:30]  * dlumberg is hungry... chases a cricket... then sits down and waits for an answer (trying not to reboot for the 4th time to get GTK? theme back)