[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134403 in rosetta "Translation template descriptions are mostly unnecessary" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134403
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134421 in launchpad "when I go to the package bug report page the package I'm the contact for doesn't apperar" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134421
[09:36] <carlos_> morning
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134449 in rosetta "Set countries a language is spoken in using web UI" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134449
[09:50] <carlos> danilos: does your branch include a web page to manage countries?
[09:50] <carlos> not just to select them, but to add/edit/delete them
[09:55] <danilos> carlos: no
[09:56] <carlos> ok
[09:56] <carlos> that's also a good addition :-)
[09:56] <carlos> so if you are bored... :-P
[09:56] <danilos> carlos: I just had to fight off those vocabulary things, and this is something we need more often (ISO country changes are not too frequent, especially if we count Serbia and nearby countries out :)
[09:57] <danilos> carlos: indeed, but hey, don't become too greedy :P
[09:57] <carlos> :-)
[09:59] <carlos> danilos: btw, you could add a link from translations.launchpad.net to translations.launchpad.net/+languages at the same time...
[09:59] <danilos> carlos: sure thing
[10:00] <carlos> danilos: do you know where should you put it, right?
[10:00] <danilos> I'll look at bug 127899 for inspiration :P
[10:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127899 in rosetta ""Languages in Launchpad" page isn't linked to from anywhere" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127899
[10:02] <carlos> :-)
[10:13] <Hobbsee> oh, grrr.
[10:13] <Hobbsee> man this is frustrating.
[10:15] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Whassup?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> mrevell: the bug status change - about how clicking on the name of the app wont take you to the dropdown anymore, i'tll take you back to the main bugs page.
[10:16] <mrevell> Hobbsee: I think that it makes more sense this way, but I know it'll take a while to get used to.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> mrevell: this is true.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> mrevell: after the  20th time i try, i'll probably learn the new way.
[10:31] <mwhudson> i think i would still like a disclosure triangle at the left hand end
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134456 in soyuz "Soyuz needs package-specific uploaders" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134456
[11:32] <Hobbsee> GAH!!!!!!
[11:32] <jtv> Hobbsee: ?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> jtv: just attemtping to do bug triage here, keep hitting the old button
[11:34] <jtv> Hobbsee: if you keep hitting it, I can see why it won't feel very motivated.
[11:34] <Hobbsee> jtv: it just doesnt give me the result i wanted :P
[11:34] <jtv> Ah, it's for its own good then.
[11:34] <Hobbsee> bah.  1/5 guesses right.
[11:34] <Hobbsee> i hate relearning things.
[11:35] <jtv> Are you talking about the button that moved, so you end up on the product page instead of on the bug details panel?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> jtv: yep
[11:35] <jtv> I managed to avoid it through a conscious effort, but someday I'll do it wrong too.  :)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> one day i'll learn it instinctively, (again), and then you'll change hte UI on me again.
[11:37] <jtv> Me?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> you as in "the launchpad people" collectively.
[11:37] <jtv> Ah, like, the whole collective guilt trip thing?  That is soooo pre-millennium...
[11:38] <jtv> Anyway, to be honest, I thought the old way was mostly user-friendly because I got used to it, not because it was the best design.
[11:38] <Hobbsee> quite likely
[11:38] <Hobbsee> wasnt intending to guilt trip.  more expressing frustration.
[11:39] <jtv> I know, just fooling around.  :-)
[11:51] <norsetto> morning all
[11:51] <norsetto> anyone here today that can migrate my gpg keys to my dogfood account?
[11:54] <norsetto> anyone here alive :-)?
[11:55] <mwhudson> bit early for him to be awake though
[11:56] <norsetto> mwhudson: yeah, he is breathing
[12:37] <Hobbsee> jtv: :
[12:37] <Hobbsee> * :)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> are there any plans to make things like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/119796/+activity nicer?
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please sync openbox (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Unknown,Fix released]
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ie, like the wiki does it, with a diff?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> it's still quite hard to tell what on earth is going on there, as it only shows the old change.  or something.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> a coloured diff would be really nice.
[01:42] <cprov> norsetto: hi there
[01:42] <norsetto> ops: he is awake :-)
[01:42] <cprov> norsetto: what is LP name ?
[01:42] <norsetto> norsetto
[01:52] <cprov> norsetto: done -> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~norsetto
[02:04] <Kmos> the new rollout broke the sync tool
[02:04] <Kmos> told by pitti
[02:23] <norsetto> cprov: thx
[02:24] <cprov> norsetto: you're welcome.
[02:52] <kiko> hey hackers
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hi management
[02:53] <zyga__> heh ;-)
[02:58] <\sh> mrevell, ping...regarding the docs about PPAs (quick start guide), the statement: Dependencies: Your package's Build-Depends will always be satisfied using:
[02:58] <\sh>     *
[02:58] <\sh>       the latest packages from the PPA you're uploading to
[02:58] <\sh>     *
[02:58] <\sh>       the main Ubuntu archive.
[02:58] <\sh>  does it mean, only main build-deps are used for package building or all ubuntu sections are used (main restricted universe multiverse?) dholbach and I just talked about it on #u-m
[02:58] <kiko> all ubuntu components are used
[02:58] <mrevell> hey \sh
[02:58] <mrevell> thanks kiko
[02:59] <\sh> mrevell, kiko : cool...could you clarify this, means could you change the text, stating out that all ubuntu components are used ? :)
[03:00] <mrevell> \sh Sure, I'd be happy to clarifiy the text.
[03:00] <kiko> yeah, "main" ubuntu archive is a misnomer
[03:00] <kiko> it's primary ubuntu archive, all components.
[03:00] <mrevell> thanks kiko.
[03:00] <kiko> the word "main" ist verboten!
[03:00] <\sh> lol
[03:00] <cprov> kiko: genau !
[03:00] <mrevell> :)
[03:01] <\sh> german lessons on #launchpad ;)
[03:01] <\sh> but thx :)
[03:02] <mrevell> \sh: I've updated that, thanks for drawing it to my/our attention.
[03:03] <\sh> mrevell, thx...
[03:17] <Fujitsu> mrevell: What you've changed it to is still not entirely true... the ogreing depends on the component that the PPA package is in.
[03:19] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Thanks. So, it'll build against packages in the same component you've set for your package.
[03:19] <mrevell> Fujitsu: And any that are inherited as part of the component.
[04:31] <zorglu_> q. is it possible to have a wiki in launchpad for hosted project ?
[04:32] <mrevell> zorglu_: Launchpad doesn't offer a wiki right now, I'm afraid.
[04:32] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134545 in malone "Rename malone to launchpad-bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134545
[06:15] <Seveas> carlos or danilos, are you available?
[06:15] <danilos> Seveas: only for a short while longer
[06:15] <Seveas> danilos, then I'll make it short :)
[06:15] <danilos> Seveas: so, ask :)
[06:16] <Seveas> what's the avg. waiting time for a translation review?
[06:16] <danilos> Seveas: "translation review" as in? PO/POT uploads in a project? or in Ubuntu?
[06:16] <Seveas> the formet
[06:16] <Seveas> former*
[06:17] <danilos> these days it should be 2-4 days for projects
[06:17] <Seveas> ok, thanks
[06:17] <Seveas> then I'll wait some more :)
[06:17] <danilos> Seveas: well, you've got something particular on your mind? if it's a quick one, maybe I can handle it for you :)
[06:18] <superm1> i've got some that have been up there in review more than 2-4 days
[06:18] <superm1> didn't know what to expect though
[06:18] <danilos> superm1: which ones?
[06:18] <Seveas> danilos, I'll just wait my turn, no need to jump the queue
[06:18] <superm1> danilos, https://translations.launchpad.net/mythtv/release-0-20-fixes/+imports
[06:20] <danilos> superm1: that one is being handled by jtv, because we are not sure if the project is used properly in the first place
[06:21] <superm1> danilos, how should the project be used?
[06:22] <danilos> superm1: you'll have to check with jtv about his concerns on this, and whether he has any more info
[06:22] <superm1> okay thanks danilos
[06:24] <danilos> superm1: I'll make sure we handle it asap, it's one of rare entries that have slipped through the cracks, and the last (internal) email I see about it has gone out at august 8th... if nothing happens before Monday, be sure to ping carlos, jtv or me around here, and we'll make sure to handle it right away
[06:25] <superm1> danilos, okay thanks
[06:25] <superm1> almost forgot about it myself :)
[06:25] <danilos> superm1: new import queues per project should help with that, though :)
[06:29] <helix84> hello. where can i translate package names and descriptions as they appear in the ubuntu menu? are they a part of gnome?
[06:33] <carlos> helix84: yes, you need to translate each application that those menu entries open
[06:34] <carlos> superm1: we are not sure whether handle a distribution as a product is the right way to do it
[06:34] <superm1> carlos, what's the other options?
[06:34] <superm1> well mythtv itself isn't a distribution
[06:34] <carlos> that's what we are checking
[06:34] <superm1> mythbuntu is however
[06:35] <carlos> hmm, isn't the template part of mythbuntu?
[06:35] <superm1> carlos, Nope, that was just for mythtv itself
[06:35] <carlos> ok, then we got it wrong
[06:35] <superm1> mythbuntu templates haven't been sorted out yet :)
[06:36] <helix84> carlos: that sounds strange, not every package contains translatable string of its name and short description, am i wrong?
[06:37] <carlos> superm1: did you follow the procedure noted on https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy ?
[06:37] <carlos> helix84: most GNOME packages do
[06:37] <helix84> ah
[06:37] <carlos> helix84: for KDE, they have its own template, usually named SOMETHING-desktop
[06:39] <superm1> carlos, No i didn't.  i followed something said in this channel.
[06:39] <superm1> carlos, and in reading that, i'm not sure that it is done right in the first place
[06:39] <superm1> since its not the whole product that is being translated
[06:39] <superm1> just the debian/ directory
[06:39] <superm1> so as to cover all strings shown by debconf
[06:39] <carlos> I see
[06:39] <superm1> internal parts that the user sees for the app are handled translation wise upstream
[06:39] <carlos> hmm, that's part of the distribution then
[06:40] <carlos> so you don't translate anything from upstream, right?
[06:40] <carlos> just your concrete bits
[06:40] <superm1> exactly
[06:41] <carlos> superm1: ok, I found what confused me...
[06:42] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/mythtv/ description is incorrect
[06:43] <carlos> you point that it's the mythtv package product, but mythtv is something else, you should rename the product...
[06:44] <superm1> so what should the product be renamed to?
[06:45] <superm1> i thought that seemed appropriate since the translation will just be the debian/ stuff for MythTV
[06:45] <carlos> superm1: in which case, the product description should be for MythTV
[06:45] <carlos> what will happen if they want to use Launchpad?
[06:46] <superm1> carlos, well i know they are pretty tightly tied to svn/trac, but that would be trouble i guess :)
[06:46] <carlos> superm1: still, I'm not sure... your usage covers more the distribution use case...
[06:46] <carlos> superm1: still, we have Launchpad also as something like freshmeat or people wanting to get BZR mirrors of their SVN repository
[06:47] <carlos> so when you go to mythtv, you expect mythtv not something else related with mythtv
[06:47] <superm1> so in which case my usage is definately wrong
[06:47] <superm1> so how do i set those po files to be imported into the ubuntu 'distribution' then?
[06:47] <carlos> superm1: please, give us more time (end of Monday) and we will approve it (renaming the product) if we don't come with a better solution for your use case, ok?
[06:48] <superm1> okay sounds good
[06:48] <carlos> superm1: are those packages part of Ubuntu?
[06:48] <superm1> carlos, yes
[06:48] <carlos> universe, I guess
[06:48] <superm1> multiverse, source package is mythtv
[06:48] <superm1> and mythplugins
[06:48] <carlos> superm1: there is another option, if your versions matches the ones in Ubuntu's archive
[06:49] <superm1> carlos, i upload the ones to the archives :)
[06:49] <superm1> i'm working on a new UVFe right now as we speak
[06:49] <carlos> superm1: agree with the person from MOTU team that handles it to sync from time to time...
[06:49] <carlos> ok, so you have rights to sync change the source in Ubuntu
[06:49] <carlos> s/change the/changes to the/
[06:49] <superm1> yes
[06:50] <carlos> superm1: we were discussing a while ago to allow such translations in Launchpad when a MOTU developer agrees to sync manually from Launchpad into the package
[06:50] <carlos> which I think is the case
[06:50] <superm1> yea that would sound right
[06:50] <carlos> right?
[06:50] <superm1> just before my uploads, check on the translations to see if anything new is available
[06:50] <superm1> and then pop them in place
[06:51] <carlos> the updates in Launchpad would be still done automatically
[06:52] <superm1> okay so where would I upload the po to then to have LP handle this case?
[06:52] <carlos> once Launchpad is able to manage this, you would only download things from Launchpad
[06:52] <carlos> give me 10 minutes...
[06:53] <superm1> k
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134557 in soyuz "Commercial packages should allow publishing out of the RELEASE pocket for any distroseries state" [High,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134557
[07:08] <carlos> superm1: is that template for Gutsy?
[07:08] <superm1> yes
[07:17] <carlos> superm1: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/mythtv/+pots/pkg-mythtv
[07:17] <carlos> superm1: you have rights to do uploads directly there and any Ubuntu translator will be able to translate it
[07:17] <superm1> awesome
[07:18] <superm1> likewise for mythplugins?
[07:18] <carlos> superm1: until we fix Launchpad to accept updates on build time, you will need to do it by hand
[07:18] <superm1> that's not too big a deal
[07:18] <superm1> for now
[07:18] <carlos> ok
[07:18] <carlos> is mythplugins on the import queue already?
[07:19] <carlos> superm1: I don't see them
[07:19] <superm1> perhaps not.
[07:19] <superm1> i believe i was waiting for mythtv to be +1ed on translations
[07:19] <superm1> it can be grabbed from dpkg-source however, or i can add it right now, whichever you prefer
[07:21] <carlos> please, add it so I approve it right now and we don't forget
[07:21] <superm1> k
[07:22] <superm1> carlos, https://translations.launchpad.net/mythplugins/trunk/+imports
[07:34] <carlos> superm1: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/mythplugins/+pots/pkg-mythplugins
[07:34] <carlos> same thing for it
[07:34] <superm1> great carlos thanks :)
[07:34] <superm1> so now come gutsy+1, does it automatically carry over?
[07:34] <carlos> np
[07:34] <superm1> or is it a manual process
[07:34] <carlos> yes
[07:34] <carlos> it will be copied like the other templates
[07:34] <superm1> easy 'nough
[07:35] <superm1> will i get mails when this is updated?o
[07:35] <carlos> yes
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134567 in soyuz "having a debian/copyright should not be a requirement" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134567
[07:35] <superm1> ah even better
[07:35] <carlos> well, if it's updated by an upload done by you
[07:35] <carlos> notification from someone else change is not yet send
[07:35] <superm1> oh okay
[07:35] <carlos> although is a planned feature
[07:36] <superm1> so i will still need to check every so often
[07:37] <carlos> yeah :-(
[07:39] <superm1> well still, manually checking translations is better than none.  Thanks again for sorting this out.
[07:44] <carlos> you are welcome
[08:02] <silwol> hi launchpad users
[08:03] <silwol> i just wanna try ppa, and read the quickstart guide on https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[08:03] <silwol> under step 3 - what exactly are the 'signed sources'?
[08:17] <kiko> silwol, the source packages. but you'll have to wait until monday for the PPA rollout, which has been slightly delayed
[08:18] <silwol> okay, then i'll wait until tuesday in a week... i'll be going on holiday on monday
[08:18] <kiko> sure thing
[08:18] <silwol> it's not urgent anyway, just thought i'll give it a try
[08:19] <kiko> please do give it a try! we're kinda stuck because setting up the builders is complicated, but we're getting there
[08:19] <silwol> actually I already wanted to try in dogfood, but my spare time was too short the past weeks
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134577 in launchpad "Admins should be able to unsubscribe other people from bug reports" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134577
[08:24] <superm1> kiko, with this delayed rollout, are signed Releases making it in, or is that still going to be a later feature?
[08:28] <kiko> that's a later feature. it hasn't even been clearly decided what we are going to do
[08:50] <superm1> kiko, ah okay
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134587 in launchpad-answers "Adding the comment authors name to the question's email address causes confusion" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134587
[09:46] <alefteris> I have created this list of gnome packages and launchpad translation page link, but I cant find some packages in launchpad, can anyone assist me? The packages that im missing are the ones without link. thanks
[09:46] <alefteris> http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/Wiki/Community/Translation/Upstream/LaunchpadToLamnLiesList
[09:49] <kiko> danilos, carlos: ^^^
[09:50] <helix84> alefteris: i'm tentatively looking at it
[09:51] <alefteris> some of the packages without link, have templates, but im not sure which is the current one
[09:51] <alefteris> or if its the correct one
[09:52] <danilos> alefteris: I could find a few easily by copying the same module name at the end of https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/, eg. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/evolution-data-server
[09:53] <helix84> alefteris: FYI, Feisty templates are currently recommended for translation efforts
[09:54] <danilos> alefteris: anyway, for those which really aren't there, it's worth raising a bug in ubuntu
[09:54] <alefteris> im using this list so that i can revert the translation to the upsteam ones, which have corrections
[09:55] <helix84> alefteris: for those packages with product templates i think those should be translated before translating their distibution templates
[09:56] <helix84> alefteris: be aware that there are usually multiple versions of templates and each can contain (a different set of) corrections
[09:56] <alefteris> also in most product translation pages the hoary template appears by default, shouldnt gutsy be the one?
[09:57] <alefteris> helix84, im trying to locate the latest templates, the ones used by gnome 1.19
[10:01] <carlos> cprov, kiko: don't we have a source package search form in soyuz?
[10:01] <kiko> carlos, we do, ubuntu/+souce
[10:02] <kiko> err
[10:02] <kiko> +source
[10:02] <carlos> but that's not per distroseries, right?
[10:02] <cprov> carlos: yes, the search in in ubuntu/ page
[10:02] <cprov> carlos: no, sources are per distribution and binaires are per distroseries
[10:03] <carlos> really?
[10:03] <carlos> ok
[10:03] <kiko> well not exactly
[10:03] <carlos> alefteris: I would suggest you to search what's missing there on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[10:03] <kiko> but there is a distro-wide search. :)
[10:03] <carlos> kiko: ok :-)
[10:04] <carlos> alefteris: from there, follow the link to Gutsy
[10:04] <alefteris> this one hasnt got a template it seams https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gnome-vfs
[10:05] <carlos> alefteris: also, if you are interested on latest GNOME packages, all links must be for gutsy
[10:05] <carlos> alefteris: that's because the package is gnome-vfs2: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gnome-vfs2
[10:07] <helix84> alefteris: i'm working in the wiki case, just letting you know to avoid edit conflicts
[10:08] <helix84> s/case/page/
[10:08] <alefteris> ok
[10:08] <beuno> carlos: how about evolution?  it seems that package isn't available for translation in LP
[10:08] <beuno> (hello :D)
[10:08] <ianm_> it seems my SVN to Launchpad Bazaar import is "processing".  once it's done will I have a single "trunk" branch that I can commit to  normally?
[10:08] <carlos> beuno: I see it... https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/evolution
[10:09] <carlos> ianm_: no, those are read only branches
[10:09] <carlos> are you migrating from Subversion to Bazaar?
[10:09] <beuno> argh!  I had searched for it and it said it didn't...   let me retrace my steps
[10:09] <ianm_> yeah I want launchpad to have the official version
[10:10] <kiko> ddaa, can you help ianm_ -- you are great at that :)
[10:10] <carlos> ianm_: yeah, ddaa is your man
[10:10] <ddaa> meh?
[10:10] <beuno> ah, I was looking at the source package...
[10:10] <ddaa> I'm no one's man!
[10:10] <beuno> oh, wait, so are you
[10:10] <ddaa> I'm a free man!
[10:11] <ianm_> ddaa: I'll just borrow you then...
[10:11] <ddaa> ianm_: how can I help?
[10:11] <carlos> beuno: yeah, translations are attached to source packages
[10:11] <ianm_> I'm not sure, I'm just trying to move from some random SVN to launchpad
[10:11] <ianm_> https://launchpad.net/luz/trunk
[10:11] <beuno> ah, I see what I did wrong
[10:11] <beuno> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution
[10:11] <ddaa> luz/trunk import is in the pipe
[10:11] <beuno> didn't specify a release
[10:11] <carlos> beuno: yeah, that's somehow confusing...
[10:11] <ddaa> I approved it and started it minutes ago.
[10:12] <ddaa> what does .rb mean, btw? RealBasic?
[10:12] <ianm_> ruby
[10:12] <beuno> carlos: sounds like a bug to me  :D
[10:12] <beuno> helix84: does this complete what you needed?
[10:12] <kiko> ddaa, but I thought that ianm_ wanted to move to bzr and launchpad definitively! :)
[10:12] <carlos> beuno: I guess we could add there a summary with all templates available for Ubuntu...
[10:12] <ianm_> ddaa: will that be read-only then?  the wording there makes it sound like it will periodically update from SVN, but that's not what I want
[10:12] <ddaa> ianm_: that's what it does
[10:12] <helix84> beuno: pardon?
[10:13] <ianm_> can I make it writable and turn off the syncing?
[10:13] <carlos> ddaa: what kiko said, he wants to use Launchpad as the main repository and stop using SVN
[10:13] <ddaa> carlos: I hear that.
[10:13] <carlos> beuno: s/carlos/jtv, danilo and carlos/ :-P
[10:14] <ddaa> ianm_: one option you have is, after the conversion is complete, make your own bzr branch off it, and then ask us to stop the import.
[10:14] <ddaa> there will still be the import branch our robot created around after that.
[10:14] <beuno> carlos: heh, I'm glad you have a possy now
[10:14] <ddaa> ianm_: does that sound okay to you?
[10:15] <ddaa> ianm_: another option is for you to do the conversion yourself, there are various tools to help you do that, and you can find information on the bazaar-vcs.org wiki about those.
[10:15] <ddaa> In any case, the launchpad import is running.
[10:15] <alefteris> carlos, what about glade3?
[10:15] <ddaa> ianm_: does that clarify it?
[10:16] <alefteris> i can only find the trunk template for glade 3
[10:17] <ianm_> ddaa: ideally we could turn off the syncing and make it writable.  otherwise we'll have two branches that appear to be the main ones no?  (sorry, I don't have a lot of experience with source control, always just one branch and one or two developers...)
[10:18] <ddaa> We cannot make the import branch writable.
[10:18] <ianm_> ddaa: ok.  what happens if the SVN goes away/
[10:18] <ddaa> As to "two branches that appear to be the main one", there's no reason for you to worry.
[10:18] <carlos> alefteris: indeed, for glade-3 there is a bug, it doesn't generate the .pot file
[10:18] <ddaa> ianm_: if svn goes away, the import will fail. Better to tell us so we can just turn it off.
[10:18] <ddaa> I mean, further updates of the import will fail.
[10:19] <ianm_> ddaa: after the initial import (and assuming I can get bzr working), then the SVN code is deprecated
[10:19] <ddaa> then just turn off your svn server and tell us to turn off the code import.
[10:19] <ddaa> ianm_: what is worrying you?
[10:20] <helix84> alefteris: i updated the wiki page, hope this helps
[10:20] <ianm_> ddaa: nothing, just trying to clarify.  so I'll branch 'trunk' into something else official sounding (any advice?) and then tell you that you can kill the svn importing
[10:20] <ddaa> hu
[10:21] <ddaa> ianm_: I think you need to read about how bzr hosting on Launchpad works
[10:21] <carlos> alefteris: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glade-3/+bug/134598
[10:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134598 in glade-3 ".pot file is not generated on build time" [Undecided,New]
[10:21] <ianm_> ddaa: do I sound really confused? :D
[10:21] <ddaa> ianm_: you sound like you do not understand how branch are organized and named on Launchpad.
[10:22] <ddaa> it's nothing like how svn works.
[10:22] <alefteris> thanks a lot all :)
[10:24] <ddaa> ianm_: read this page and the following ones
[10:24] <ddaa> https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BazaarHosting
[10:24] <ianm_> ddaa: ok thanks
[10:24] <ddaa> the first page is mostly background, the interesting stuff is in the second and third page.
[10:25] <ddaa> (not to say that the first page is not interesting, but I'd assume you know what it talks about already)
[10:33] <ddaa> kiko: if you still want your imports of stoq and kiwi, we still need dumps of the svn repos
[10:33] <ddaa> or we need you to fix the reliability of those svn servers.
[10:33] <ddaa> kiko: I'll mark them testfailed to get them out of the way now.
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134601 in launchpad "Package view without specifying release shows no translations" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134601
[10:41] <kiko> ddaa, how do I get an SVN dump?
[10:41] <ddaa> svnadmin dump
[10:42] <ddaa> ianm_: the luz import is complete
[10:42] <ddaa> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/luz/trunk
[10:43] <beuno> carlos: I know this is a long shot, but any chance you could squeeze in the rosetta stats specification any time soon?
[10:44] <kiko> ddaa, it dumps the whole repository, right?
[10:44] <kiko> what do I do after that?
[10:45] <ddaa> you put that in a tarball, and you give it to me or mwhudson
[10:45] <ianm_> ddaa: ok great
[10:45] <ddaa> then will do the chicken bone, waxdoll stuff that needs doing.
[10:47] <ianm_> ddaa: so now I have "trunk" which is a branch owned by another user, correct?  and I can branch that to make an 'official' one?  and make it part of a series like 1.0 ?
[10:50] <ianm_> what I still don't understand, though, is that bazaar seems to give special importance to "trunk" (states: The "trunk" series represents the primary line of development rather than a stable release branch.)  but I won't be able to edit the trunk unless I keep using the external SVN ?
[10:51] <carlos> beuno: unfortunately, I don't think I will be able to work on it in next two months
[10:51] <ddaa> ianm_: sorry, workrave told me it was time to feed the cats
[10:52] <ddaa> ianm_: your first message was right.
[10:52] <ddaa> ianm_: your second message was wrong.
[10:52] <ddaa> bazaar does not have any notion of a trunk branch, at all
[10:52] <ddaa> all branches are equal
[10:53] <ianm_> ok
[10:53] <ddaa> On the other hand, Launchpad gives a special meaning to the "trunk" SERIES.
[10:53] <ddaa> And a series is something very different from a branch.
[10:53] <beuno> carlos: I can understand why :D       is there anyway you can think of I could get and parse some of that information manually like I do for bugs and such?
[10:53] <ddaa> It's a bug at the moment that you even need a series to get a code import.
[10:53] <ddaa> (but we're working on it)
[10:54] <ddaa> So, it happens that 1. we only import trunk branches in Launchpad, as a policy
[10:54] <ddaa> 2. we recomment that people have a "trunk" series in their project
[10:55] <ddaa> 3. the natural place to request an import is therefore this series.
[10:55] <ddaa> What you do with your own bzr branches, even if they are hosted on launchpad has nothing to do with that.
[10:55] <ddaa> ianm_: does that make sense?
[10:56] <ddaa> Note, that what is really special is the "development focus" series, which is called "trunk" by default, but you change this.
[10:56] <carlos> beuno: well, we have something similar on translations.launchpad.net, although that's global, not just ubuntu...
[10:57] <ddaa> Then, what you get from a "bzr get https://launchpad/luz" is the branch associated to the development focus series.
[10:57] <carlos> however, ping me on Monday and I will see whether is possible to export a .txt file with the information you need as a workaround... that shouldn't take me more than 30-45 minutes
[10:57] <ddaa> Which ATM is the import branch, but you can override it to be any branch you want.
[10:58] <beuno> carlos: that would rock!  :D   thanks
[10:59] <carlos> np
[11:04] <kiko> ddaa, you mean gzip, right? because the dump is a single file.
[11:04] <kiko> ddaa, can I put it up on public webspace for you or would you rather I pushed it to devpad?
[11:05] <ddaa> devpad is slightly more convenient
[11:05] <ddaa> gz, tgz, whatever
[11:05] <kiko> will do.
[11:05] <kiko> I just wanted to make sure I had the right thing
[11:05] <ddaa> I prefer tgz, more finger-memory compliant
[11:05] <ddaa> actually
[11:05] <ddaa> no, I prefer .gz, because it can be pipe to svn restore :)
[11:06] <ddaa> anyway, I'm done with imports herding for today
[11:06] <ddaa> already spent 2.5 hours on this.
[11:06] <kiko> ddaa, my uplink is slow. I will give you a path on devpad in some 24h :)
[11:08] <ddaa> kiko: best is you create a Question on launchpad-bazaar.
[11:08] <kiko> ddaa, okay, will do
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134604 in malone "Trac status imports can't cope with Trac instances that don't export individual bugs in CSV format" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134604