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[12:38] <sadmac2> Keybuk: Ingo Molnar seems to like the waitfd idea.
[12:38] <sadmac2> which is good because Alan Cox doesn't, and I'd rather not fight my way upstream against that


[20:12] <samy1028> Zabbix agent in Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS is v4.0, which is older.  Later versions (6.0+) I have to get from the Zabbix repository.  Unfortunately, the Zabbix repository uses incompatible ciphers compared to FIPS and failes TLS connections.
[20:13] <samy1028> Are there any updates planned for Zabbix and Zabbix-Agent2 for Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS?
[20:13] <sarnold> samy1028: you'll have to ask your zabbix sales agent
[20:14] <samy1028> sarnold, there is a Zabbix agent in the Ubuntu repository though.  So I guess there aren't any plans to release a later version at the moment?  Or is it provided to Ubuntu from Zabbix?
[20:17] <sarnold> samy1028: wholesale version upgrades of zabbix in the archive is very unlikely; I don't know much about the support end of canonical but "prepare a ppa with zabbix that has been configured to work with FIPS" certainly feels like a plausible thing the support team could do
[20:17] <sarnold> samy1028: heck, the support team might even be willing to make a ppa of newer zabbix, but it'd be worth knowing *why* you'd want a newer zabbix before approaching them
[20:20] <samy1028> specifically, to limit the actions of what Zabbix can do on the remote system, there's an option called "AllowedKey" which allows you to specify a specific remote script to run.  According to the documentation I can find the AllowKey options are only available in 5.0 and later.
[20:20] <sarnold> aha, that sounds like a nice feature indeed
[20:20] <sarnold> you may be able to achieve something similar with an appropriate apparmor profile around the agent
[20:24] <samy1028> also, the 4.0 version only supports the original zabbix-agent whereas the later versions support zabbix-agent2 which gives more flexibility and control of scritps.


[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:56] <ducasse> good morning, all
[08:02] <Bashing-om> !grub
[08:09] <lordievader> Hey ducasse , Bashing-om
[08:09] <lordievader> How are you guys?
[08:15] <Bashing-om> lordievader: Well for me . Winding my session down as yall take up the reins :P
[15:16] <immu> hi alllll
[15:16] <jink> O__o
[15:16] <immu> (0)-(0)
[15:22] <nicomachus> TJ-: having some connection issues?
[15:26] <TJ-> No, testing some custom scripts in weechat
[15:27] <TJ-> Had a misbehaving 'autoconnect' script - when quitting it saves the list of channels I'm on so it can auto-reconnect next time, but it was stripping off the leading # from some channel names and saving some I'd actually closed before quitting
[15:28] <nicomachus> ah. I just have some autojoin channels in my irssi config, and don't generally join many others during a session. lol
[15:32] <TJ-> well this affects regular channels like ##linux because it autojoins #linux as well  - was adding both #linux and ##linux to the list, for example
[15:34] <TJ-> I didn't realise in weechat the scripts can be automatically upgraded with "/script upgrade" - had an old script from 2015 when the latest was a few months ago
[15:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:16] <immu> hi
[16:26] <nacc> EriC^^: "I installed jdk 9"??
[16:26] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[17:22] <immu> hi EriC^^
[17:41] <EriC^^> hi immu
[17:41] <immu> how are you doing  EriC^^
[17:41] <EriC^^> immu: good thanks, you?


[00:16] <syddraf> Is there something for the xfce panel that lets me set "favorite" folders for quick access?
[00:45] <w30> syddraf, there is a places plugin that highlights resently used files, would that help?
[00:48] <syddraf> w30: I ended up using a Directory Tree with symlinks. =D
[00:48] <syddraf> Although now I'm having another problem where amdcccle isn't modifying any of my display settings
[00:59] <w30> syddraf, I keep everything I own in one and only folder not withstanding applications, themes, and other operating system stuff. No home folder stuff for me so switching operating systems or dual boots leaves me with one folder to worry about
[01:01] <syddraf> w30: I tend to keep everything on a storage drive. The home folder is essentially a place for files that I haven't sorted yet.
[01:18] <w30> syddraf, that will work *smile*
[04:56] <john____> I'm using awesome wm with xubuntu on a macbook pro. I want to make it so that when the laptop lid is closed, the system suspends.
[04:56] <john____> I tried to do it in xfce4-power-manager-settings
[04:57] <john____> but if i log out and log back in, the settings are not saved
[04:57] <john____> anyone have a clue? thx
[05:05] <c_smith> hello, is there a way to enable Lightdm as the login manager? I've done some looking around the net enough to see that I needed some required packages (which I installed) but not how to actually activate it,
[05:07] <c_smith> nvm, figured out a roundabout way (install gdm)
[13:21] <neronin> Im going crazy here, i cant get my ftp server to work properly, i have tried vsftpd, proftpd and pureftpd. I can set them up as far as i can see but when i try to log in (from a remote ip) i can not authenticate, the user name gets accepted but not the password. Anyone recognize this?
[13:52] <Guest91918> when i m tyrying to log in shell after press alt+ctrl+f1 i type the password after using sudo command
[13:52] <Guest91918> but everytime i get login incorrect message
[13:52] <Guest91918> any help why this happening
[15:55] <xubuntu215> Hi
[15:55] <xubuntu215> installation is not done just clicked on a link on the slideshow in fired up firefox, landed here,,, amazinggg
[18:01] <philippe> Hi
[18:01] <Guest45828> how can I hide an unmounted partition from showing up in the file manager places list?
[18:02] <Guest45828> i have tried hiding it through fstab and /udev/rules.d
[18:02] <Guest45828> But all that does is not mount it
[18:02] <Guest45828> doesnt hide the icon for mouinting it in the file manager
[18:02] <Guest45828> any help appreciated
[18:02] <Guest45828> its a windows ntfs partition I want to hide from the user
[21:05] <cc_INC> I noticed a lot of Lubuntu News recently, can't help it to wonder where all the Xubuntu news is at :)
[21:05] <pleia2> we're working on a new site which will make it easier for us to publish news, so hopefully soon :)
[21:06] <baizon> i heard the new website will go online with alpha 2
[21:06] <baizon> ... or was it Beta? :D
[21:07] <baizon> not sure
[21:13] <cc_INC> Cool!!
[21:14] <cc_INC> That's something to look out for! Thanks
[21:43] <dysoco_> Hello, I want to try out Xubuntu 11.10, I've a Ubuntu 11.10 DVD, It's the same if I install Xfce from the Ubuntu 11.10 Install or Xubuntu adds different stuff ?
[21:44] <dysoco_> BTW, can I get a daily release ? So I don't need to update all ?


[08:52] <JamesTait> Happy Star Wars Day! *8OD
[09:39] <mandel> morning all!
[12:39] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:40] <czajkowski> morning
[12:40] <czajkowski> very quiet in here this week
[12:42] <rye> czajkowski: yes, time after time i type something then erase to check whether the ssh session is stale
[12:42] <czajkowski> heh
[12:42] <rye> even though i have byobu with clock
[12:47] <rye> ralsina: O_O
[12:47] <rye> ralsina: i thought it is being unsubscribed
[12:47] <ralsina> rye: nope
[12:47] <ralsina> rye: try it though, I may be wrong about it.
[12:48] <ralsina> rye: but it will have metadata for all the files, and the files will not be there, so it will delete them, IIRC
[12:48] <rye> ralsina:  2012-05-04 15:48:04,455 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.AncestorsINotProc - INFO - Got MOVED_FROM on path '/home/rtg/Test', unsubscribing udf <UDF id '4531f4bf-ae1b-40ae-91b9-57257fe023f2', node_id 'f2b7b7fc-01d8-4053-a6fd-c9e2fed47a81', generation 19606L, active True, real path '/home/rtg/Test'>
[12:48] <ralsina> rye: OTOH, II did not RC I just looked very foolish ;-)
[12:48] <ralsina> rye: that is moving, not deleting. So I am only half wrong so far ;-)
[12:49] <rye> ralsina: well....
[12:49] <ralsina> rye: stop syncdaemon, move it, start syncdaemon
[12:49] <rye> ralsina: deleting a folder is impossible w/o deleting all the contents, and these all will propagate to sd through inotify
[12:49] <ralsina> rye: yes, but try moving it while syncdaemon is not running, which is what I described in the mail
[12:50] <ralsina> rye: typically caused by mounting a removable media as a UDF and then failing to mount
[12:51] <rye> ralsina: i understand you
[12:51] <rye> ralsina: this will happen only if the root folder continues to exist
[12:51] <ralsina> ohhhh right
[12:52] <ralsina> rye: you are right, I was wrong
[12:52] <ralsina> rye: I will send a clarification
[12:52] <rye> ralsina: and in this case we need to do some clever checking of the mountpoint, to tell whether it vanished vs everything was deleted
[12:54] <ralsina> rye: I think if everything inside a volume disappeared withouth SD seeing it, we can assume it's dangerous enough that
[12:54] <ralsina> something smarter should be done
[12:54] <ralsina> rye: and thanks for catching that!
[12:54] <rye> ralsina: hm, that would also work
[12:55] <rye> ralsina: that would also work pretty well
[12:55] <ralsina> rye: so, the triggering condition would be "a volume with nothing in it", which is easy to detect
[12:56] <rye> ralsina: a volume that has nothing in it and it used to have something
[12:56] <ralsina> rye: right
[12:57] <rye> ralsina: otherwise all empty volumes will be unsubscribed and I have a test udf which is almost always empty
[12:57] <ralsina> rye: right
[12:57] <rye> oh, windows7 can mount NFS shares
[12:58] <ralsina> rye: yep
[12:58] <ralsina> rye: but it used to be very very flaky
[12:59] <ralsina> rye: at least when it was called unix services or windows it was
[13:05] <dobey> oi
[13:07] <ralsina> hi dobey
[13:08] <dobey> hi
[13:11] <ralsina> rye: maybe you have an answer for this guy http://askubuntu.com/questions/130691/problem-with-file-synchronization-for-huge-amount-of-files-using-ubuntu-one-in-1
[13:16] <rye> ralsina: bug #978903 definitely
[13:16] <rye> ralsina: as per file sync is deactivated - what does that?
[13:16] <ralsina> rye: nothing, AFAIK
[13:16] <ralsina> rye: it may be a crashed SD
[13:16] <ralsina> rye: because of OOMkiller or something
[13:17] <rye> ralsina: when there's no SD control panel shows file sync is stopped
[13:17]  * rye greps
[13:17] <rye> ralsina: also, verterok's tritcask going OOM...
[13:17] <rye> bug #987376
[13:18] <ralsina> rye: could be
[13:41] <mandel> ralsina, buenas!
[13:45] <ralsina> hola mandel
[13:46] <mandel> ralsina, today we have the 1-1 so feel free to let me know when it is ok for you
[13:46] <ralsina> mandel: in a bit!
[13:47] <mandel> ralsina, whenever you want :)
[13:51] <ralsina> mandel: as soon as this Guns'n'Roses playlist ends
[13:51]  * ralsina has priorities ;-)
[13:52] <ralsina> mandel: just kidding, starting mumble
[13:53] <mandel> ralsina, on, starting it :)
[13:53]  * alecu pictures ralsina dressed up as axl rose.
[13:53] <alecu> mandel, ^
[13:54] <ralsina> alecu: ja!
[13:54] <dobey> heh
[13:55] <ralsina> as axl rose in 2012?   FF project. ralsina 1-1
[15:05] <mandel> TODO: more FF. Some reviews.
[15:05] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:05] <mandel> mmcc, please
[15:05] <mmcc> done: finished refactoring, windows VM finally works, started looking
[15:05] <mmcc> at SSO client macos bugs
[15:05] <mmcc> todo: keep looking at sso client bugs. They're packaging related and
[15:05] <mmcc> one is network-sensing
[15:05] <mmcc> blocked: none
[15:05] <mmcc> next: go dobey go
[15:05] <dobey> λ DONE: more backports work
[15:05] <dobey> λ TODO: reviews, more backports work, SRUs, u1db packaging/buildsys
[15:05] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:05] <dobey> thisfred: go
[15:05] <thisfred> DONE: bug 987412 TODO: adding tags functionality to u1todo BLOCKED: no NEXT: ralsina
[15:06] <ralsina> DONE: fun with SSL debugging, managementastic stuff, weekly call, varied 1-1s, doctor's appointment. TODO: some coding, hopefully, watch the avengers with gatox tonight, ubuntuone-installer debugging. BLOCKED: nop
[15:09] <ralsina> no comments? EOM it is.
[15:13]  * mmcc doesn't get to watch TV anymore, but bug 994254 is making up for it
[15:15] <ralsina> mmcc: we get all the funny ones, yes
[15:21] <briancurtin> haha. Python occasionally gets some good reports like that, and a few from spambots that sell viagra. they usually get closed with "works for me" as a resolution
[15:22] <mmcc> works for me :D
[15:26] <ralsina> briancurtin: now, looking at that bug... "Google (false authentication , go daddy or Thawte instead & there turned off)"
[15:26] <ralsina> rye: do you have a lucid box? Could you check that the SSL certificate in one.ubuntu.com appears as valid? :-)
[15:26]  * ralsina feels like he's reading rabbit entrails though
[15:29]  * briancurtin brb in a few minutes
[15:30] <dobey> mmcc: why did you vote "resubmit" on your branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/refactor-platform-event-logging/+merge/104301
[15:31] <mmcc> dobey, I misunderstood what that vote meant, and then didn't see a way to edit it
[15:31] <dobey> mmcc: vote again and change it to "abstain"
[15:31] <mmcc> dobey: ok
[15:32] <mmcc> dobey, done.
[15:32] <dobey> mandel: are you going to review that branch?
[15:34] <mandel> dobey, which one? https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/refactor-platform-event-logging/+merge/104301
[15:34] <mandel> dobey, I can if no one else is doing it
[15:35] <mandel> dobey, oh, I was added, sure I'll do it
[15:35] <dobey> mandel: well there is a "Pending" for you on it :)
[15:35] <dobey> thanks
[15:35] <mandel> mmcc, you have conflicts in https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/refactor-platform-event-logging/+merge/104301
[15:35] <mandel> mmcc, can you fix those?
[15:36] <dobey> need to run a few errands and get some lunch. bbiab
[15:36] <mmcc> mandel, argh, yes. will fix after 1-1 with ralsina now
[15:37] <mandel> mmcc, sure
[17:03] <dobey> hmm
[17:27] <dobey> mandel: can you check mmcc's branch again? looks like he fixed the conflict
[17:31] <dobey> ugh, and why is this sso branch 1200 lines
[17:33] <dobey> ugh i think this quantal vm is not usable. will have to re-do an upgrade from precise later
[18:00] <dobey> la la la
[18:00] <dobey> well blah
[18:14] <thisfred> ralsina: what is the best way to iterate over the items in a QListWIdgets? There is items() but that expects a QMimeData argument, which I don't know what to pass in for, because huh what?
[18:15] <ralsina> thisfred: uh... give me 1'
[18:16] <ralsina> thisfred: .item()
[18:17] <thisfred> thx
[18:17] <ralsina> for i in range(listwidgetthingie.count()): whatever.item()
[18:17] <ralsina> for i in range(listwidgetthingie.count()): whatever.item(i) // I mean
[18:18] <thisfred> that is mildly unpythonic ;)
[18:18] <thisfred> but it works
[18:18] <ralsina> thisfred: there is an iterator thingie but it's C++ to the core :-)
[18:20] <ralsina> thisfred: you could even do a all_items = listWidget.findItems('', QtCore.Qt.MatchRegExp)
[18:21] <ralsina> thisfred: or create the obvious generator that yields the items. All caveats about the universe imploding if you add/remove items apply
[18:23] <thisfred> ralsina: yeah, and of course that's what I need to do :)
[18:25] <SpamapS> Question about lp:ubuntone-storage-protocol .. it has no release-3_0_0 tag .. was it branched before 3.0.0 was released?
[18:30] <mmcc> mandel, dobey's right. check it at your convenience…
[18:30] <mmcc> mandel, that is: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-client/refactor-platform-event-logging/+merge/104301
[18:30] <dobey> SpamapS: huh?
[18:30] <dobey> SpamapS: oh, yes, the tags are on the stable-3-0 branch
[18:31] <dobey> SpamapS: we are branching the stable series at the beginning of the cycle, and make all releases from the stable series
[18:31] <dobey> mmcc: i think he's gone to the pub or something :-/
[18:32] <mmcc> dobey, yeah I guess it's just past beer thirty over there
[18:33] <dobey> yeah, it's 20:33 in Espana
[18:33] <briancurtin> i wish 1:30 was beer thirty
[18:33] <briancurtin> rather, 13:30
[18:36] <mmcc> briancurtin: heh. the rangers-capitals game tomorrow is 12:30, that's gotta be close enough…
[18:36] <SpamapS> dobey: yeah, I see that. It made it fairly hard to determine that a certain merge into 3.0.0 was released or not
[18:36] <SpamapS> I would expect trunk to have all the tags :-P
[18:37] <dobey> SpamapS: why? LP has the stable-3-0 branch linked for the precise release, doesn't it?
[18:38] <dobey> SpamapS: is this for the SRUs I did?
[18:38] <SpamapS> Yeah I found that later
[18:38] <SpamapS> dobey: yeah, they're releasing now :)
[18:39] <dobey> cool
[18:39] <SpamapS> well, the oneiric ones anyway
[18:39] <dobey> right
[18:39] <dobey> i haven't done any others yet :)
[18:40] <SpamapS> dobey: what I mean by the confusion though, is that it seems odd that trunk wouldn't have all of the tags from the stable 3.0.0 branch, plus more.
[18:41] <dobey> SpamapS: yeah i understood what you meant
[18:42] <dobey> i don't think there's any solution to that though
[18:42] <rye> yay! 2.0.1 is in oneiric!
[18:42] <rye> joshuahoover: ^
[18:42] <joshuahoover> hurray!
[18:46] <mmcc> wrt. ralsina's email from earlier today, can someone catch me up on what UDF means? from context it sounds like a secondary synced folder? is it "user-defined folder"?
[18:46] <ralsina> mmcc: exactly
[18:46] <ralsina> mmcc: we always sync ~/Ubuntu One, but the user can choose other folders to sync, those are UDFs
[18:46] <mmcc> ralsina: aha thanks.
[18:46] <ralsina> mmcc unless they are folders he gets from another user, those are "shares"
[18:49] <mmcc> ralsina: so that I understand this removal issue, the problem is it's hard to know whether a directory is empty because it's a vanished mount point or it's just been cleaned out while we weren't watching?
[18:49] <ralsina> mmcc: exactly
[18:50] <mmcc> ralsina, ok. I think on macos we could do the right thing for removable storage… at least for 99% of users.
[18:51] <ralsina> mmcc: cool, we need to think about those things
[18:51] <ralsina> mmcc: anyway, currently it's not possible to sync outside the user's home, so it's not as bad (unless you can mount things arbitrarily in mac?)
[18:52] <mmcc> ralsina - you can definitely do whatever mounts you want in macos, but *I expect* 99.9% of people don't.
[18:53] <mmcc> and the system handles removable storage and always puts it in /Volumes/
[18:53] <ralsina> mmcc: so if we are in there, we can assume it's a removable device
[18:53] <ralsina> mmcc: on linux that usually would be /media, too, so same idea
[18:53] <mmcc> yes, to be exact - if it's in there (and it's not a symlink to /) then we know it's not the boot drive…
[18:55] <dobey> oh man
[18:55] <dobey> the internet is full of lulz
[18:56] <dobey> ralsina: well, we can use the proper API to dtermine if something is local or not
[18:56] <dobey> ralsina: remote filesystems don't go in /media, for example
[18:58] <dobey> or mounted zip files
[19:04] <rye> An error has occurred during the check: Success
[19:04] <rye> ^ my windows kvm images are corrupted
[19:05] <dobey> -ESUCCESS is my favorite error
[19:06] <dobey> Error: faild to fail!
[19:07] <rye> they are bootable but cannot be cloned or converted
[19:07] <rye> i guess i have hit the bug with qemu-img
[19:07] <rye> and qcow2
[19:09] <ralsina> dobey: yes, we can examine the path looking for mountpoints
[19:09] <ralsina> dobey: and flag the volume as "on a removable device, treat carefully"
[19:10] <dobey> ralsina: or we could just use the simple glib or gio API which does everything already :)
[19:10] <rye> ok, this is definitely bad, deleted snapshot - disk became truncated
[19:10] <ralsina> dobey: sure :-)
[19:11] <mmcc> ralsina, dobey, from apple's docs, there is plenty of API to check if a given path is on a volume that is removable / ejectable / local, etc
[19:12] <dobey> right
[19:12] <mmcc> much smarter than my first thought to just make assumptions about /Volumes :)
[19:12] <ralsina> I wonder how syncdaemon reacts to unmounting while it's running
[19:13] <ralsina> "hey a lot of files disappeared but I got no delete events!"
[19:13] <mmcc> ralsina me too - that's actually easier to solve (again on macos), since we can register callbacks for eject / unmount events
[19:14] <ralsina> mmcc: on linux too, but they are async, so there is a good chance of weirdness
[19:20] <mmcc> this actually leads into something I wanted to discuss - it looks like the most straightforward way to get good mac integration is to write some C (or ObjC) extension modules. Is there any reason I should be trying to avoid that?
[19:21] <mmcc> building them right can be a little tricky but it's not a huge deal… just wondering if there were any reasons I wasn't thinking of…
[19:23] <dobey> what do you mean by "good mac integration" there?
[19:23] <dobey> to get the notifications of mount points?
[19:24] <mmcc> dobey, right now, I mean to access the equivalent of NetworkManager
[19:24] <mmcc> but the device add/eject callbacks are in C, and the volume info API is ObjC (although there is a 'bsd layer' C API too)
[19:25] <dobey> hmm. what are we doing exactly for network on windows right now? just acting like there is always network and failing when things fail?
[19:27] <mmcc> that's what the darwin code does now. it looks like on Windows, it accesses windll.wininet.InternetGetConnectedState
[19:28] <mmcc> which looks like the right thing
[19:28] <dobey> ah
[19:28] <dobey> so it's basically using some magical ctypes stuff
[19:29] <mmcc> thatis, ctypes.windll.
[19:29] <mmcc> yes
[19:29] <mmcc> so I guess at least for now I might be able to do the same thing and avoid building my own extension modules…
[19:29] <dobey> we'll probably need to do that on osx too, but i guess there isn't API in Python that already wraps it
[19:30] <mmcc> sorry, already wraps what?
[19:31] <dobey> already wraps the NSWhatever API
[19:34] <mmcc> ah, ok. so if we're OK adding a dependency on PyObjC, we can get all the Cocoa frameworks bridged for us, then we just do "from Foundation import NSWhatever" and we're off
[19:34] <mmcc> I've written a couple apps like that, it's not bad.
[19:36] <dobey> we'll probably need to do that. ralsina?
[19:41] <mmcc> well, it's something to think about. It depends on the number of times we need to call ObjC api. C api should be easy with ctypes
[19:43] <mmcc> and although PyObjC is continuously developed and used for a few shipping products, no one maintains it full-time.
[19:43] <ralsina> dobey: reading backlog
[19:43] <ralsina> mmcc: yes ctypes is fine
[19:44] <dobey> mmcc: so it's about time for pyobjc to make it into the core library? :)
[19:48] <mmcc> dobey: hmm. if that means Ronald would get some donations to spend time on it, then sure :)
[19:48] <dobey> heh
[19:49] <dobey> it means Python core library is where good modules go to die :P
[19:54] <briancurtin> in the same vein, i'd eventually like to put pywin32 in as well
[19:55] <ralsina> briancurtin: is there any chance of we ever getting a pywin32 egg?
[19:55] <ralsina> briancurtin: I never managed to build it because it needs the full VS (not the express one)
[19:56] <briancurtin> ralsina: i could look into building one if it would help
[19:56] <ralsina> briancurtin: would make it possible to skip one manual step in the env setup, maybe
[19:57] <ralsina> briancurtin: so, not important, now that we all have it setup ;-)
[19:57] <thisfred> ralsina: one more fun question: can I prevent a qlistwidget from selecting the first row automatically?
[19:58] <briancurtin> true. it is unfortunately one of the harder installers to find for python projects
[19:58] <ralsina> thisfred: of course
[19:58] <ralsina> thisfred: in fact, it only does that if the list has kbd focus
[19:58] <ralsina> thisfred: you want it to be selectable still?
[19:58] <thisfred> maybe I did something stupid to cause it, but it always does it on startup
[19:58] <thisfred> ralsina: yeah it should be selectable
[19:59] <ralsina> thisfred: setCurrentItem(None) IIRC
[19:59] <thisfred> ralsina: ah
[19:59] <thisfred> ralsina: but when do I do that: the selection seems to happen after my __init__ is executed
[20:00] <thisfred> is there an onLoaded signal?
[20:00] <ralsina> thisfred: ok, do you have any other widgets visible?
[20:00] <thisfred> yep
[20:00] <thisfred> give t
[20:01] <thisfred> hem focus?
[20:01] <ralsina> thisfred: no, there isn't
[20:01] <ralsina> right
[20:01] <ralsina> change the tab order so another widget is focused
[20:01] <ralsina> you can do that from designer
[20:02] <thisfred> ralsina: awesome, works
[20:03] <ralsina> thisfred: try it first. I have been known to lie.
[20:03] <thisfred> I did :)
[20:05] <ralsina> hehe
[20:06] <ralsina> Nice to know my devs know me.
[20:12] <mandel> mmcc, dobey approved
[20:14] <mmcc> hi mandel, thanks
[20:18] <thisfred> ralsina: for all your help, I give you: ONE FREE REVIEW! Limited time offer. Void where prohibited. May cause drowsiness and prolonged vomiting. Patent pending.
[20:18] <thisfred> https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/u1db/u1todo-4/+merge/104802
[20:18] <ralsina> thisfred: I have to skip in about 12 minutes to take my son to see The Avengers ;-)
[20:18] <thisfred> ralsina: fair enough :)
[20:18] <ralsina> thisfred: so it will be there for you on MONDAY
[20:18] <thisfred> ralsina: no hurry
[20:19] <thisfred> maybe dobey can tear me a new one in the meantime
[20:21] <dobey> thisfred: you are a miserable human being.
[20:21] <thisfred> dobey: I try
[20:22] <dobey> thisfred: no i take that back, you're not human. you're dutch.
[20:22] <dobey> :)
[20:22] <thisfred> dobey: In that case, please pay extra close attention to the XML! :P
[20:23] <thisfred> dobey: I'd ask gatox, but he's argentinian, so he doesn't work on days that end in 'day'
[20:24] <thisfred> or however they determine public holidays there ;)
[20:25] <dobey> haha
[20:29] <ralsina> thisfred: he's on swap today. And also coming to see the avengers with me ;-)
[20:29] <dobey> 548 lines? crikey
[20:29] <thisfred> dobey: chill, half of that is XML you can skip
[20:30] <thisfred> ralsina: have fun!
[20:30] <dobey> and the other half is python i can skip? :)
[20:30] <thisfred> dobey: sure, rubber stamp it.  Probably.
[20:31] <dobey> isn't this supposed to be a well documented demo app?
[20:31] <thisfred> dobey: ehhh, I didn't want the diff to get overly long? :D
[20:32] <thisfred> dobey: working on that for my next branch
[20:32] <thisfred> also, it's python, so fairly self explanatory.
[20:32]  * thisfred hides
[20:33] <dobey> eh whever
[20:33] <dobey> pronounced with a Harvard wh
[20:35] <thisfred> I'm still hearing your inner valley girl
[20:36] <dobey> it's too ghetto to be valley girl
[20:57]  * mmcc has a spike with ctypes-based macos network detection working
[20:58] <ralsina> EOW for me. Have fun people!
[21:00] <mmcc> bye ralsina, have a great weekend
[21:01] <dobey> that was no 12 minutes!
[21:38] <dobey> later all. have a good weekend!
[21:42] <briancurtin> see ya dobey
[21:50] <thisfred> dobey: since you asked: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/u1db/u1todo-whats-up-doc/+merge/104811
[21:50] <thisfred> oh nm: have a great weekend!
[21:50]  * thisfred off too
[22:05] <mmcc> bye everyone


 @lynorian Re:Lubuntu manual Chapter 1.3 - the first paragraph and image boot_installer.png no longer apply ..
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 Lubuntu Impish has arrived on the QA testing tracker site
 Nice!
 I think we are supposed to ping kgiii ^
 *pings @kc2bez for reasons*
 *pong*
[17:50] <kgiii> I looked a little while ago and it was just Budgie. So, thanks for the ping!
[17:54] <kgiii> Downloading now...
 zsync is your friend
[18:07] <kgiii> That's what I use, but it started with nothing 'cause I didn't think to rename the Hirsute images.
[18:08] <kgiii> Ah well... I can be patient.


[08:55] <davmor2> davidm: ping
[15:28] <cgregan> davmor2 seems to be having a problem with the VM
[15:28] <cgregan> persia: do you have a second?
[15:29] <persia> cgregan: Sure, but not any KVM-compatible hardware :)
[15:29] <persia> What seems to be the issue?
[15:29] <stgraber> is that : ume-8.04-kvm.tar.gz ? if yes I'm trying it now
[15:29] <cgregan> that's alright...he says a bunch of lpia missing packages scroll by during boot
[15:30] <persia> stgraber: It is.  Thanks.
[15:30] <persia> missing packages during boot?  That doesn't sound right.
[15:30] <davmor2> persia: I got the hardware :) I'm looking at the kvm image from the cdimages server and it's broken :)
[15:30] <persia> davmor2: Do the errors show in dmesg once boot is complete, or doesn't it boot?
[15:31] <davmor2> I'll check dmesg I was just about to go through the logs
[15:31] <stgraber> booted too fast to see anything but dmesg doesn't show any error here
[15:32] <persia> stgraber: How about /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages?
[15:32] <stgraber> nothing in syslog either
[15:33] <stgraber> oh yes, I see what davmor2 had
[15:33] <stgraber> complaining about modules.dep missing
[15:33] <persia> pastebin?
[15:34] <stgraber> doesn't appear in any of the log files
[15:34] <stgraber> I'll try to get a screenshot but that image boots way too fast :)
[15:35]  * persia misses console.log, and wonders if anyone knows how to enable it
[15:36] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/ume1.png
[15:36] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/ume2.png
[15:36] <stgraber> missing symbol in grub and the modules.dep thing
[15:37] <persia> OK.  ume1.png means that you aren't recovering from a suspend, and can safely be ignored.
[15:37] <stgraber> ume2.png is maybe just the initrd being not in sync
[15:37] <persia> ume2.png looks like an annoying side-effect of some of the choices made to reduce boot time, but may not cause issues.  Do the images work, except for that noise?
[15:38] <stgraber> yep seems to work fine, I just did a : update-initramfs -u to see if that solves the modules.dep one
[15:38] <persia> stgraber: I think the initramfs is in sync.  Try upgrading the kernel, and see if it goes away.
[15:38] <persia> Argh!  That's frustrating.
[15:38] <davmor2> seems to be although it thinks there are a 101 text editors non of which are installed and the one that is it doesn't want to use :)
[15:39] <persia> davmor2: Where does it show that?
[15:39] <davmor2> no sound either which is weird
[15:39] <davmor2> persia: right click on on a log file and select open with
[15:40] <stgraber> why is 2.6.24-16 installed ? I have both -16 and -19 here
[15:40] <davmor2> mousepad seems to be the only thing not listed
[15:41] <stgraber> persia: same result after kernel upgrade ... modules.dep isn't copied in the initrd, I wonder why ...
[15:41] <persia> davmor2: You've found one of the central inconsistencies between gpe and moblin.  gpe sees all the apps installed, and moblin only those specially recognised.  Not all moblin apps are registered as file handlers.
[15:42] <persia> stgraber: I'm not sure.
[15:42] <davmor2> Yay!
[15:42] <stgraber> persia: I'm checking the content of initrd.gz now
[15:43] <stgraber> persia: /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-lpia only contains the kernel/ directory
[15:44] <stgraber> persia: none of the modules.* files are there
[15:45] <persia> stgraber: My understanding was that is the result of a choice to build the drivers into the kernel, rather than as modules to increase boot time.  Currently there are very few supported lpia systems, so it's mostly safe to do this, and reduces boot time.
[15:46] <persia> As the number of supported systems grows, this may no longer be the right choice.  I've heard reports of some lpia systems on which this kernel doesn't work.
[15:46] <davmor2> the messages don't appear on the version I built and I got sound on mine too
[15:46] <stgraber> some modules are there so modules.dep should be there too
[15:46]  * persia apologises for redundancy, but it's a little late here :)
[15:47] <stgraber> I count 197 .ko in the initrd
[15:47] <persia> davmor2: Have you tried a recent rebuild with the latest ubuntu-virtual-builder?  It may be a bug there.
[15:47] <stgraber> so not everything is in the kernel it seems
[15:47] <davmor2> persia: no
[15:48] <persia> Hmm.  Maybe I don't have the right understanding then (my commentary is based more on hearsay than an understanding of the kernel)
[15:50] <davmor2> persia: is it just a case of bzr pull in the simple-image-builder directory and I'll try it.
[15:51] <persia> davmor2: Ought be, although the name of the project changed :)  let me know if you need a branch reference.
[15:51] <davmor2> np's
[15:52] <davmor2> persia: says http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu-mobile/simple-image-builder/ no revisions to pull
[15:54] <persia> davmor2: https://code.launchpad.net/~virtual-mobile-builder/virtual-mobile-builder/trunk
[15:54] <persia> bzr branch lp:~virtual-mobile-builder/virtual-mobile-builder/trunk
[15:57] <davmor2> permission denied
[15:58] <persia> davmor2: bzr lp-login $(LP-USERNAME)
[15:59] <davmor2> Permission denied (publickey).
[15:59] <davmor2> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[16:01] <persia> Annoying.  Works for me, but I'm a member of that team.
[16:01] <persia> Could someone else try branching that code repo?
[16:03] <stgraber> Branched 23 revision(s).
[16:04] <persia> That seems right.
[16:04] <davmor2> grrrrrr
[16:05] <davmor2> Launchpad for me hasn't been right since I merged accounts :(
[16:20] <lool> davmor2: Your ssh key is probably out of date
[16:20] <lool> davmor2: Did you update it after the ssh security hole?
[16:20] <lool> davmor2: Do you see your ssh key on launchpad?
[16:20] <davmor2> lool yes
[16:20] <lool> davmor2: Is it visible to your ssh?
[16:21] <lool> davmor2: Check that you don't have a special launchpad config in .ssh/config
[16:21] <lool> That your key is accessible to your ssh and that it's the same as the one on launchpad
[16:21] <lool> Check the permissions of your ssh key
[16:21] <lool> davmor2: Anyway, you can use http:// instead :)
[16:21] <lool> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/...
[19:40] <davmor2> lool: realised what I'd done wrong with sshkey to get the bzr branch now :)
[21:45] <lool> davmor2: Cool
[21:46] <davmor2> yes I deleted the wrong friggin' file by accident So I created a new key up loaded it to launchpad and backed it up this time :)
[22:20] <davmor2> lool: I got my image to work better than the one on cdimages I still got issues with the kernel but I got sound
[22:40] <davmor2> lool:  I used this line  to create the image sudo ./simple-mobile-builder --platform menlow-lpia-ume which seems to work better than just running the script
[23:51] <lool> davidm: It is better; we should update the instructions


[10:52] <cmaloney> morning
[10:58] <wolfger> morning
[11:58] <cmaloney> Today's SPAM winner: Does new leaked video show Hitler's deathbed confession?
[12:17] <cmaloney> rick_h: How's the sprinting?
[12:23] <rick_h> cmaloney: at the airport heading home
[12:24] <cmaloney> rick_h: so soon? :)
[12:25] <rick_h> Yea, have to get to cedar point by tomorrow night
[12:26] <cmaloney> Holy shit
[12:26] <cmaloney> You're going to be toast
[12:26] <rick_h> Pretty much
[12:27] <rick_h> But fatherly duty calls
[12:27] <cmaloney> ayep
[12:27] <cmaloney> Figured that was the main reason
[12:46] <rick_h> Yea will be fun to see if I can successfully get the boy on a roller coaster or not.
[12:46] <cmaloney> I wouldn't push it too hard. It took me a long while to get onto roller coasters
[18:15] <cmaloney> Anyone want to present in August? :)
[18:16] <jrwren_> it is my birthday. I want presents then.
[18:16] <cmaloney> jrwren_: I want presents too
[18:16] <cmaloney> presents of presentations
[18:16] <cmaloney> and stuf
[18:16] <cmaloney> f
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> what sort of presentations?
[19:43] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Anything that would be of interest for a group of OSS-loving folks
[19:43] <cmaloney> UNIX / Linux / Development
[19:43] <cmaloney> the first presentation is on Unicode
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> for LoCo? or MUG?
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> or something else?
[19:52] <cmaloney> MUG


[14:57] <qense> Can anyone here say if this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/410763 is caused by gstreamer, based on three logs: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30151551/gdb-backtrace.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30425942/banshee-thread.log and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30509312/banshee.log ?
[14:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410763 in banshee "[karmic] Banshee freeze after some song playback" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:14] <virtuald> what status should i change a bug that doesn't happen any more?
[23:17] <andresmujica> Invalid or Fix Released


[16:13] <antarus> cjwatson: mornin'
[16:14] <antarus> cjwatson: I have a log, it turns out that 50mirror isn't even being called, and 'choose-mirror' is being run from main-menu
[16:14] <antarus> cjwatson: the problem for us is that choose-mirror (the C binary?) is trying to 'validate' our mirror
[16:14] <antarus> cjwatson: but our mirror doesn't follow the standard format
[16:14] <antarus> cjwatson: so 'validation' fails
[16:14] <antarus> cjwatson: even though our mirror is totally able to serve packages
[16:15] <antarus> cjwatson: so nominally I want to skip choose-mirror: we have a apt-setup generator that will fill in the right lines for us :/
[16:34] <xnox> antarus: hmm.... well use early-command or partman-early-command to replace choose-mirror with whatever you want it to do =)
[16:35] <antarus> xnox: it was unclear to me if choose-mirror was installed during early-command
[16:35] <antarus> but yes that was raised :/
[16:35] <cjwatson> Eh, early-command shouldn't be necessary.  One moment
[16:36] <cjwatson> antarus: I'd like to look at the log myself, if possible
[16:42] <antarus> cjwatson: yeah, I'm just redacted bits
[16:42] <antarus> redacting*
[16:45] <antarus> cjwatson: hmmm it looks like in this log I tried setting d-i mirror/http and d-i mirror/directory and d-i mirror/proxy
[16:46] <antarus> and the only bug was in d-i mirror proxy, because my proxy ACL was bogus
[16:46] <antarus> (I am not sure what you are looking for in the log, per se, and I've changed a few parameters since Friday ;p)
[16:49] <antarus> (The logs are super helpful, in terms of the DEBCONF_DEBUG stuff, but they have not uncovered any bugs or odd behavior, the code is behaving as expected.)
[16:50] <cjwatson> antarus: I always find it much easier to read through it myself than to operate at one remove
[16:50] <cjwatson> And they give me exact values for everything
[16:50] <antarus> true enough
[16:50] <cjwatson> For instance "mirror/http" doesn't exist so either you've mistranscribed or your preseed file is wrong
[16:50] <cjwatson> This is the sort of thing I prefer to look at directly in the log
[16:50] <cjwatson> Tells me about order of events too
[16:51] <antarus> pft! ;p
[16:51] <cjwatson> And I'm not sure how your mirror might not follow the standard format in a way that can't be handled
[16:51] <antarus> blame thomas
[16:51] <antarus> :)
[16:51] <cjwatson> Well, no, I'm not sure this is *possible*
[16:51] <cjwatson> You may just be unaware of the facilities
[16:51] <antarus> ahh
[16:53] <antarus> let me look at my error log again, perhaps we can just fiddle with mirror/http/directory or soemthing
[16:53] <antarus> I admit when this was set up it was a rush job done by someone else, luckily that fellow is back from holiday
[16:53] <cjwatson> There's also a thing to tweak handling of security
[16:53] <cjwatson> apt-setup/security_{host,path}
[16:54] <cjwatson> choose-mirror is always run for netboot installs because the netboot installer retrieves bits of itself from the mirror too
[16:55] <cjwatson> So fixing up your mirror preseeding is mandatory for netboot installs
[16:57] <antarus> yeah it is possible that we are actualyl being naughty and fetching from us.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:57] <antarus> (but just the installer bits)
[16:58] <cjwatson> If you fix that up then you *can* skip the choose-mirror call in apt-setup, but it may not buy you very much
[16:59] <cjwatson> The only plausible alternative is to PXE-boot something like a monolithic d-i mini.iso which you've built specially; that's possible but it's starting to get a bit off the reservation
[17:00] <cjwatson> (The monolithic flavour has everything built into the initrd rather than relying on the network.  But it's not built by default and mainly intended for use by d-i developers.)
[17:02] <antarus> ahh
[17:02] <antarus> so I talked to the guy who set this upe
[17:02] <antarus> his understanding is that our repo names are not the repo names the installer is expecting
[17:03] <antarus> which is a bug we need to fix in the future
[17:03] <antarus> ;p
[17:03] <cjwatson> I need concrete details if at all possible
[17:03] <cjwatson> Preferably that log :)
[17:03] <antarus> well here
[17:03] <antarus> let me set the mirror lines to point at rapture
[17:03] <antarus> and do an install
[17:03] <antarus> and then I'll have that log
[17:04] <cjwatson> There are definitely meant to be ways to cope with this kind of thing, and if it can't then I suspect I will consider it a d-i bug
[17:06] <antarus> on a positive note, this did lead to a bug in our pxe infrastructure that downcased extra arguments ;p
[17:08] <cjwatson> heh
[17:09] <antarus> ahh
[17:09] <antarus>         asprintf(&command, "wget -q %s://%s%s/dists/%s/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):'",
[17:09] <antarus>                  protocol, hostname, directory, name);
[17:09] <antarus> I see
[17:10] <antarus> where is 'name' set..
[17:11] <antarus> it is possible that if we preseed 'suite' to be the right name, it would work
[17:11] <antarus> its not clear if preseeding the suite has other negative naming effects
[17:12] <cjwatson> That's one possibility, yes
[17:12] <cjwatson> For the most part I think it should be OK
[17:12]  * antarus nods
[17:12] <antarus> I'll try taht next
[17:17] <antarus> cjwatson: ok, how shall I get this log to you?
[17:18] <cjwatson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is fine
[17:18] <cjwatson> feel free to encrypt if necessary
[17:21] <antarus> nah I've removed all of the juicy bits ;p
[17:21] <antarus> ugh
[17:21] <antarus> chromeos--
[17:29] <antarus> ok log sent
[17:48] <antarus> hrm, suite sets codename...
[17:48] <antarus> so I need to change that as well
[17:48] <cjwatson> Should be picked up from the archive's Release file
[17:48] <cjwatson> (I'll have a look properly later, getting towards dinnertime here)
[17:49] <antarus> oh
[17:49] <antarus> Codename: ubuntu-precise-proposed-main-20130614-2
[17:49] <antarus> yeah
[17:49] <antarus> thats a bug on our side
[17:49] <antarus> ;p
[20:21] <antarus> cjwatson: the more I look at this, the more the hate piles on ;)
[20:26]  * antarus thinks he has something that will work though
[22:29] <antarus> cjwatson: and another bug in our mirroring system ;p


[17:17] <olly> morning
[18:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:26] <ajmitch> morning
[22:21] <G> hads: oooh that does look nice
[22:29] <chilts> morning
[22:39] <hads> G: Huh?


[00:20] <AlanBell> comments are invited on http://libertus.co.uk/8080 and the test pages linked from there
[00:21] <AlanBell> oops
[00:21] <AlanBell> http://libertus.co.uk:8080/
[00:21] <AlanBell> try that one
[00:22] <akgraner> crap I have to fix the UWN template  - it still has contents twice - UGH!
[00:23] <akgraner> hey AlanBell so the line under "In this Issue" needs to be under each section
[00:23] <akgraner> is that just some markup that needs to be added?
[00:24] <AlanBell> that is an <HR> tag caused by ------
[00:24] <akgraner> ok that's what I thought but just wanted to make sure
[00:24] <akgraner> I left it on there when I was playing with it
[00:24] <AlanBell> the number of -- used between 4 and 10 indicates the fatness of the line
[00:25] <akgraner> I like how the links show up
[00:25] <akgraner> pretty :-)
[00:25] <akgraner> but how will it look on the new theme?
[00:25] <AlanBell> um, are you not seeing the new theme there?
[00:26] <akgraner> nope
[00:26] <AlanBell> oooh because I am logged in, one sec I will change the default!
[00:27] <AlanBell> you must think I am mad!
[00:27] <akgraner> nope
[00:29] <AlanBell> akgraner: now try :)
[00:30] <akgraner> open week has a huge white space at the top
[00:30] <akgraner> and it looks like there is supposed to be an image but I get just the square
[00:31] <akgraner> hmm why is it numbering the Calendar events
[00:32] <akgraner> 1. Start
[00:32] <akgraner> 2. End
[00:32] <akgraner> 3. Location
[00:32] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot-UbuntuOpenWeek.png
[00:32] <AlanBell> looks like that for me
[00:33] <AlanBell> yes, I know it is doing numbers where it should to bullets
[00:34] <akgraner> http://people.ubuntu.com/~akgraner/Screenshot-UbuntuOpenWeek%20-%20Ubuntu%20Wiki%20-%20Chromium.png
[00:34] <akgraner> that's how it looks for me
[00:34] <akgraner> and UWN isn't showing the UWN Logo for me :-/
[00:35] <akgraner> weird
[00:35] <akgraner> but I like how it looks
[00:35] <akgraner> but do you think the print is too small
[00:36] <akgraner> I think it might hurt some people's eyes
[00:37] <AlanBell> ah the big gap and broken image is in chromium but not firefox
[00:37] <AlanBell> yes, I think the fonts are too small as well
[00:38] <akgraner> hmmm ok
[00:39] <akgraner> so will I need to use Firefox for Ubuntu Wiki pages :-/
[00:42] <AlanBell> no, I will need to fix it :)
[00:44] <akgraner> ahh ok
[00:46] <paultag> heyya akgraner
[00:46] <paultag> akgraner, how's life?
[00:48] <akgraner> paultag, good - hopefully the new Fridge site launches this weekend
[00:49] <akgraner> IS/IT has to do the re-direct :-)
[00:49] <paultag> :)
[00:49] <akgraner> and there will still be some tweaks but it's exciting
[00:50] <pleia2> it's quite an accomplishment, there must have been 2 or 3 attempts at doing this over the years
[00:50] <pleia2> so congrats akgraner :)
[00:50] <akgraner> pleia2, you and joey just wound me up and pointed me in the right direction :-)
[00:51]  * akgraner blushes  - thanks pleia2
[00:51]  * pleia2 hugs akgraner
[00:51] <Pendulum> akgraner: so that's all we have to do to get you working on something? figure out where to wind you up and then let you go?
[00:52] <akgraner> Pendulum, so I've been told  - but I thought this was pretty important - I love the news stuff...
[00:53] <Pendulum> :)
[00:54] <akgraner> pleia2, and joey had to answer *tons* of questions
[00:54] <akgraner> and poor jono got his head taken off a few times over this new site - (sorry about that jono)
[03:09] <jcastro> AlanBell: that wiki looks great
[03:12] <jcastro> I saw the facebook movie
[03:12] <jcastro> it was pretty good
[03:17] <nhandler> jcastro: I saw some show making fun of it and showing a small trailer that demonstrated how you could turn any random topic into an attractive looking drama
[03:18] <jcastro> yea
[03:18] <jcastro> there was lots of linux in it
[03:18] <jcastro> there was a KDE screen in like, tons of parts
[03:21] <nhandler> jcastro: Any Ubuntu?
[03:21] <jcastro> well, the terminal in one scene was in /etc/apache2
[03:22] <jcastro> so either ubuntu or debian
[03:22] <jcastro> but the scenes with them hacking are all set in periods earlier than ubuntu's existance
[03:22] <doctormo> huh facebook movie?
[03:22] <jcastro> though they got the KDE themes and stuff exactly right
[03:23] <jcastro> and he used wget!
[03:25] <nhandler> I'm surprised these linux clips haven't started hitting the various tech sites
[03:25] <jcastro> i saw one on planet kde
[03:27] <doctormo> time for bed! night.
[08:39] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[08:41] <nigelb> o/
[08:42] <duanedesign> hello mr nigel
[08:42] <nigelb> morning duane.  /very/ early morning
[08:43] <duanedesign> yeah. my hours are all messed up. :P
[08:43] <nigelb> you need a new clock
[08:44] <duanedesign> :D
[08:45] <nigelb> or you need to move east
[08:45] <duanedesign> it actually kinda works well for getting things done (community wise)
[08:46] <duanedesign> get to catch all the people who live east early in their day before they get busy :)
[08:46] <nigelb> Right.  1 pm is early for India :p
[08:46] <duanedesign> :P
[08:47] <duanedesign> we are getting a lot of new people from india in BT.
[08:48] <duanedesign> and bhavi has been hanging out more. Getting him to help me get back on the MOTU track
[08:49] <nigelb> oh, nice
[08:57] <AlanBell> nigelb: http://libertus.co.uk:8080/ and anyone else who wants to see it really
[08:57] <nigelb> nice ;)
[08:57] <nigelb> \o/
[09:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: things are going to be frantic next week
[09:36] <nigelb> A lot of pages will need rework :/
[09:37] <duanedesign> nigelb: for sure
[09:38] <nigelb> the bug squad pages look ugly on light
[09:38] <duanedesign> nigelb: is there any plans for organizing the effort?
[09:38] <nigelb> duanedesign: I haven't heard of one.
[09:38] <duanedesign> maybe  a list of whats done and what needs to be done?
[09:38] <nigelb> I'll just have to kick it off for pages I'm respobiel
[09:39] <nigelb> wow I spell *bad*
[09:39] <nigelb> that was supposed to be responsible
[09:39] <duanedesign> yeah thats probably the best bet
[09:39] <duanedesign> then once everyone gets the pages they are responsible for, we can start looking for orphans
[09:40] <nigelb> I think top would be wiki pages for teams
[09:40] <nigelb> Speciall points for fixing headers
[09:45] <AlanBell> in theory if the design isn't too broken there shouldn't need to be any rework
[09:45] <AlanBell> where are the bugsquad pages?
[09:46] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[09:46] <nigelb> They brown-ish backgrouond really gets screwed up and the headers
[09:47] <duanedesign> looks like someone already worked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[09:48] <AlanBell> ok, got it
[09:48] <AlanBell> some screwed up stuff there certainly
[09:48] <AlanBell> but it is the theme that needs fixing, not the markup
[09:48] <nigelb> oh?
[09:48] <AlanBell> with the possible exception of the brown
[09:49] <nigelb> the markup for brown is hard-coded
[09:49] <nigelb> what we would need is a style to just apply and get orange colored boxses
[09:49] <nigelb> *boxes
[09:49] <AlanBell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BugSquad
[09:50] <AlanBell> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BugSquad
[09:50] <nigelb> See? Hard-coded
[09:50] <AlanBell> yes, the brown might be nice to change
[09:50] <nigelb> I think what we need is one class for boxes
[09:50] <nigelb> that should change by theme
[09:50] <AlanBell> however the layout should not be screwed up
[09:50] <nigelb> and should be available on all themes
[09:51] <nigelb> the layout is screwed up light thanks to the space on the left
[09:51] <nigelb> elky has been saying that from the first time she looked at it
[09:51] <doctormo> Morning nigelb
[09:51] <nigelb> morning doctormo :)
[09:51] <nigelb> we're trying out light theme for wiki and enjoying how things look screwed up
[09:52] <duanedesign> morning doctormo
[09:52] <AlanBell> nigelb: yeah, well I nuked bug 654631
[09:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654631 in ubuntu-website "wide unused space on left of content (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654631
[09:53] <doctormo> Can I see?
[09:53] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki
[09:53] <doctormo> As a high critic of the wiki in general ;-)
[09:53] <nigelb> doctormo: go to wiki,ubuntu.com and click on your name and change theme to light
[09:53] <AlanBell> doctormo: http://libertus.co.uk:8080/
[09:53] <nigelb> doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[09:53] <nigelb> AlanBell: \o/
[09:54] <nigelb> doctormo: chanage the theme to light there
[09:54] <nigelb> "and your eyes shall be opened"
[09:54] <nigelb> (sorry, couldn't resist)
[09:54] <nigelb> let me send a mail to the bug squad list
[09:54] <AlanBell> the libertus one is running on my laptop and fixes a bunch of bugs (and introduces some entertaining new ones)
[09:55] <nigelb> heh
[09:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: set to go live on 13th right?
[09:55] <nigelb> the light theme...
[09:56] <AlanBell> yes
[09:56] <AlanBell> I asked for it to be delayed until the end of open week, or alternatively to go live on 10/10/10
[09:56] <nigelb> I'll give everyone a heads up
[09:56] <AlanBell> but I think 13/10/10 is going to be when it happens
[09:56] <nigelb> AlanBell: wasn't there an announcement mail or soomething?
[09:57] <nigelb> ubuntu-website list?
[09:57] <AlanBell> nope, you have to be psychic, or browse your user preferences randomly and look out for new themes
[09:57] <duanedesign> haha
[09:57] <nigelb> AlanBell: hrm, I specifically remember you linking me to something on a mailing list :/
[09:58] <AlanBell> the announcement of it going live was planned to consist of it, um, going live.
[09:58] <duanedesign> nigelb: the bug squad wiki looks ok?
[09:58] <nigelb> duanedesign: the brown is ew.  Needs to be orange
[09:58] <AlanBell> nigelb: actually there may have been a little discussion on a list
[09:58] <nigelb> but can't be hard-coded
[09:58] <nigelb> AlanBell: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-October/001065.html
[09:58] <nigelb> And it was a reply to you :p
[09:58] <doctormo> I would change it to this: http://imagebin.ca/view/Vm4uGeQ.html
[09:59] <duanedesign> nigelb: what brown?
[09:59] <nigelb> duanedesign: brown boses.  light
[09:59] <nigelb> arg
[09:59] <nigelb> brown boxes.
[10:01] <AlanBell> lp:~alanbell/ubuntu-website/light-moin-theme if anyone wants to play
[10:01] <duanedesign> nigelb: hmm. I am not seeing them. The header looks ok. Yikes. Something wrong with this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/
[10:01] <AlanBell> nigelb: ah yes, I don't think there was any discussion before I prompted it though
[10:02] <nigelb> AlanBell: true.  That is communication fail.
[10:02] <nigelb> I wish there was a channel where these people hung out
[10:02] <AlanBell> there is, #ubuntu-website
[10:02] <nigelb> right
[10:03] <AlanBell> duanedesign: feel free to copy any page and paste the contents in http://libertus.co.uk:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage etc
[10:03] <AlanBell> you might need to create headers separately
[10:03] <AlanBell> then add a link to it on http://libertus.co.uk:8080/ and I will make sure it isn't broken
[10:04] <AlanBell> generally don't fix the markup to work around the theme (apart from the brown)
[10:04] <AlanBell> the theme needs to work with the markup (because the markup needs to be viewed in multiple themes)
[10:05] <AlanBell> sometimes things that are too wide get pushed down 1280 pixels from the top, so if you are looking at a blank page scroll down. I am on to this one.
[10:05] <doctormo> AlanBell: I am playing, but looking for feedback
[10:11] <AlanBell> feedback in #ubuntu-website would be great
[10:11] <nigelb> who uses irssi here?
[10:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: me
[10:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: how do I change the height for channel list?
[10:12] <duanedesign> is the fix for the headers to change the brown to #F1F1DD
[10:13] <nigelb> duanedesign: I thought of that, but text color would need changing too.
[10:15] <duanedesign> nigelb: do you use adv_windowlist.pl
[10:16] <nigelb> duanedesign: yep
[10:16] <duanedesign> nigelb: ok
[10:17] <duanedesign> nigelb: i have been wanting to figure this out for awhile
[10:17] <duanedesign> i will start looking. If you figure it out befor me let me know :)
[10:17] <nigelb> heh, ok
[10:18] <duanedesign> i get /msg from people and do not know because it runs off bottom :\
[10:18] <nigelb> duanedesign: similar
[10:18] <nigelb>  /set awl_block -15
[10:18] <nigelb> that helps
[10:23] <duanedesign> ahh
[10:23] <duanedesign> darn perl. Looks like cartoon characters cursing
[10:24] <nigelb> haha.
[10:24] <duanedesign> ;#$@%!
[10:24] <duanedesign> :P
[10:24] <nigelb> That's how Larry Wall cures
[10:24] <nigelb> *curses
[10:24] <nigelb> He's a liguistic ya know ;p
[10:27] <AlanBell> duanedesign: http://localhost:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage (yes, I didn't bring over all the <img> attachments, but the table fits)
[10:28] <duanedesign> nigelb: lol
[10:29] <popey> localhost you say? :)
[10:29] <duanedesign> AlanBell: aha
[10:29] <popey> http://libertus.co.uk:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:29] <duanedesign> http://libertus.co.uk:8080/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:29] <duanedesign> d'oh, too slow
[10:31] <AlanBell> lol
[10:31] <AlanBell> yeah, localhost, pop round any time :)
[10:33] <duanedesign> hey, looks like Couch replication is coming backk online \o/
[10:35] <nigelb> the sync your logs via ubuntu one for no reason at all thing? :p
[10:39] <duanedesign> and contacts ;)
[10:40] <duanedesign> i am anxious to test ONeConf and get back to working on Stipple
[10:59] <duanedesign> have a good day friends
[12:36] <akgraner> ok prime example of why the social media sites recover email address - should be set to the mailing list teams owners/admins - the news team hasn't found the person who set up the ubuntunews feed for the Fridge
[12:37] <nigelb> akgraner: but would that not cause a log to be created of that mail?
[12:37] <akgraner> who cares - you can always change it
[12:37] <akgraner> if you lost it and can't get it
[12:38] <akgraner> once you get it - you go in and change it
[12:38] <nigelb> true :)
[12:39] <akgraner> you send and mail and IM the other owners as a watch your email kinda of thing
[12:39] <akgraner> then the minute the email comes in you login and change it
[12:39] <nigelb> that does make sense
[12:40] <akgraner> or  - we have an ubuntu-social-media-recovery email address
[12:41] <akgraner> that all teams can use that isn't logged and the CC or LoCo Council are the admins
[12:41] <akgraner> and they can recover anyones information
[12:42] <nigelb> That is a good idea
[12:43] <nigelb> lesser 'hit by bus' factr
[12:43] <akgraner> yep
[12:44] <akgraner> so any brilliant ideas on how to find out the ubuntunews twitter feed information - we've emailed everyone - we've tried the forgot my pw and told everyone to check their emails - and we emailed list owners and past News Team  editors
[12:46] <nigelb> oh, great :/
[12:46] <akgraner> I know right
[12:46] <akgraner> have we missed anything we should try?
[12:47] <nigelb> Direct Message on twitter?
[12:47] <jussi> akgraner: and youve done the twitter equivalent of a private message?
[12:47] <jussi> lol
[12:47] <nigelb> jussi: beat you to it :p
[12:49] <akgraner> jussi, nope - let me try that now :-)  thanks
[12:55] <popey> http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu.ogv is starting to look more fun
[12:56] <popey> might have to play with this after release and add some music, change the frame rate etc
[12:58] <czajkowski> morning
[12:58] <akgraner> darn it  you can only pm someone who is following you
[12:58] <nigelb> popey: nice
[12:59] <nigelb> akgraner: oh, ugh.
[12:59] <nigelb> that account isn't folowing /anyone/
[13:00] <popey> i did mention this :)
[13:00] <popey> see, ignoring popey :)
[13:00] <akgraner> thanks popey!
[13:00] <popey> worth blogging?
[13:00] <popey> so it hits planet ubuntu?
[13:01] <nigelb> maybe
[13:01] <czajkowski> wise popey
[13:01] <akgraner> at this point  - yes - I'm working on the site is moving post to the old fridge right now  - popey can you blog the twitter one
[13:03] <popey> ok
[13:05] <popey> have tweeted @twfeed too as they run twitterfeed which actually gates the posts from fridge to twitter
[13:06] <akgraner> popey, thanks
[13:06] <akgraner> popey, I just popped into the uk channel to ask about someone taking pics at the London release party - can you nudge anyone you know who is going for me please
[13:07] <popey> will do
[13:07] <akgraner> thank you!  You know photo skills of your team better than I :-)
[13:08] <popey> have asked the the mailing list
[13:12] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2010/10/09/who-setup-ubuntunews/
[13:19] <popey> akgraner: http://popey.com/graphs/ubuntu-uk-current.png  gotcha!
[13:20] <akgraner> wow
[13:20] <nigelb> heh
[13:25] <duanedesign> popey: what program are you using to reassemble the images captured by PieSpy?
[13:34] <popey> duanedesign: mencoder / ffmpeg
[13:34] <jussi> Just a reminder, #ubuntu-release-party is open! Welcome!
[13:35] <duanedesign> popey: thank you
[13:35] <popey> heh
[13:39] <popey> np duanedesign
[13:59] <nigelb> jussi: you mean its not crazy enough for ya? :P
[13:59] <jussi> nigelb: its getting there, but it wouldnt be a real party if it wasnt crazy
[13:59] <nigelb> true that
[14:00] <nigelb> paultag: when you got time we gotta talk about something :)
[16:27] <paultag> nigelb, yo
[16:27] <paultag> nigelb, you pung?
[16:28] <czajkowski> paultag: aloha
[16:28] <paultag> heyya czajkowski
[16:30] <nigelb> paultag: aha, yes
[16:30] <highvoltage> hello you
[16:38] <czajkowski> akgraner: want pics from all release parties ???
[16:51] <jcastro> morning!
[16:55] <nigelb> good morning jcastro :)
[16:55] <doctormo> czajkowski: you can do that?
[16:55] <nigelb> doctormo: czajkowski says "let it be done" and its done :D
[16:55]  * nigelb hides
[16:55] <jcastro> man, my blog conversation is hitting epic proportions!
[16:56] <nigelb> jcastro: don't feed the troll.  I like laura's logic.  If its not constructive delete it.
[16:56] <nigelb> omg 30 comments
[16:57] <nigelb> thats like more text than in one blog post of yours :/
[16:57] <jcastro> yeah
[16:57] <jcastro> I am still waiting for proof or evidence
[16:57] <jcastro> and what steps he took to contact the CoC
[16:57] <jcastro> at which point I will add up all the words he wrote up on my blog
[16:57] <jcastro> and measure how much time he wasted
[16:57] <nigelb> lol
[16:58] <maco> aoithoir?
[16:58] <nigelb> jcastro: I like persia's suggestion
[17:00] <jcastro> yeah I clicked "like"
[17:00] <Pendulum> I think it's interesting that the first "ism" he mentioned was ablism
[17:00] <Pendulum> considering most people I know even wouldn't even know the term
[17:00] <czajkowski> eh what post?
[17:00] <jcastro> I had to look it up
[17:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: meh I just tolerate crap on my rant page, that's what my blog is my area to air my thoughts on
[17:01] <Pendulum> tbh, I have in most channels hit a lot of resistance if I mention that "retarded" is offensive (and I don't even try on crazy)
[17:01] <jcastro> it's amazing to me because I don't even know what alot of people in ubuntu /look like/ let alone what their beliefs or whatever are
[17:01] <Pendulum> the only channel where I've had back-up on calling out someone for using "retarded" is #ubuntu-women
[17:02] <Pendulum> (and I do find it a deeply offensive term)
[17:02] <jcastro> I usually do a good job with my swearing/etc on IRC
[17:02] <jcastro> it's IRL where I get in trouble
[17:02]  * jcastro says retarded all the time in real life
[17:02] <maco> jcastro: on umm.... mormon-who-did-ramadan-guy's blog one time i said the "family friendly" thing in comments and aiorthor was like "HA! and see thats code for no queers allowed!" im like "uh? how so? queer people have families too. it just means understand that theres TMI about sex lives regardless of the gender of the person you're doing it with"
[17:03] <jcastro> yeah
[17:03] <jcastro> like really, I don't really care what your lifestyle is
[17:04] <jcastro> tbh it's not the whole arguing in my blog that makes me throw my hands up
[17:04] <jcastro> it's the mentioning of RMS. :)
[17:04] <maco> Pendulum: yeah i noticed the ableism mention too. i dont hear that word outside GF circles
[17:04] <nigelb> haha
[17:04] <Pendulum> haha
[17:04] <jcastro> the only -ism I approve of is my own alcoholism
[17:05] <nigelb> jcastro: geekism? :p
[17:06] <maco> Pendulum: which brings me to... do you consider it ick that the word "sane" is used in tech to refer to a system that will work? like "build environment is sane" or "filesystem is sane"?
[17:06] <jcastro> 2720 users, 3746 answers ....
[17:06] <jcastro> we are close maco!
[17:07] <Pendulum> maco: the crazy/sane/insane stuff (in general) is something that bothers me, but it's not language I've managed to get perfect yet so I don't feel comfortable calling people out on it
[17:07] <maco> oh god greg please dont send that troll to use the GF wiki....
[17:07] <nigelb> jcastro: heh, speaking of which
[17:08] <nigelb> I visited the progamming SE today
[17:08] <nigelb> oddly it had less programming questions
[17:08] <maco> nigelb: you mean SO?
[17:08] <Pendulum> Generally I don't think ablism is a huge issue for Ubuntu, other than where it's part of a larger societal institutionalized mindset or where it's a matter of "only itches get scratched" (which I assume is part of why we don't really have any developers working on accessibility at the moment since Luke doesn't have the time
[17:08] <Pendulum> _
[17:08] <nigelb> maco: no, http://programmers.stackexchange.com
[17:09] <nigelb> the questions were surprising http://programmers.stackexchange.com/?tab=hot
[17:10] <maco> jcastro: by the way, i think you use the word "lame", right? i recommend NOT using it when telling aiorthor how he's acting.
[17:10] <Pendulum> or "crazy"
[17:10] <maco> or dumb
[17:10]  * maco looks at nigelb
[17:10] <Pendulum> or idiotic
[17:11] <nigelb> guilt has charged.
[17:11] <nigelb> guilty
[17:11] <Pendulum> someone ought to point him towards Ubuntu for All
[17:11] <nigelb> maco: I've /really/ tried not do use it after that incident.
[17:12] <maco> nigelb: yay :)
[17:12] <jcastro> maco: I won't call out his person on the blog, since he's writing in a tone specifically to point back at me to prove his point
[17:12] <maco> Pendulum: where's that list of ableist insults?
[17:13] <maco> FWD maybe?
[17:14] <jcastro> maco: but if that guy gets offended by lame then the rest of my vocabulary will probably put him in shock. :p
[17:14] <jcastro> but I am trying lately
[17:14] <maco> jcastro: lame means crippled...
[17:14]  * nigelb hugs jcastro
[17:14] <jcastro> akgraner taught me "bless your heart."
[17:15] <maco> which... hmm Pendulum is crippled an ok word?
[17:15] <maco> or context dependent? "crippled by $event"?
[17:15] <czajkowski> maco: lame means what now ?
[17:15] <maco> czajkowski: legs dont work
[17:16] <Pendulum> maco: context dependent
[17:16] <Pendulum> (at least IMO)
[17:16] <czajkowski> a dog or a horse is lame but I've never heard a human being referred to as that ever
[17:16] <czajkowski> lame means something else entirely
[17:16] <Pendulum> czajkowski: it's mostly outdated in terms of humans, but it's still used
[17:16] <czajkowski> like a lame joke
[17:16] <jcastro> Pendulum: woo, thanks for a real constructive comment!
[17:17] <nigelb> I have heard lame used for humans in the crippled sense :/
[17:17] <Pendulum> czajkowski: that comes from lame being used for humans
[17:17] <Pendulum> maco: it might be on FWD. I've seen a bunch
[17:18] <maco> FWD has ableist word profiles, but i thought they had a post that was a list of ableist insults and suggestions of things to say instead
[17:18] <Pendulum> maco: cripple is interesting, too, because it's something being reclaimed. So like I wouldn't want someone else to use it about me, but I use it all the time
[17:18] <nigelb> *cough* whats FWD?
[17:18] <maco> nigelb: Feminists With Disabilities
[17:19] <Pendulum> nigelb: website Feminists with Disabilities http://disabledfeminists.com/
[17:19] <nigelb> Took me a whiile to parse GF which I've heard of.  Never heard of this one though.
[17:19] <Pendulum> I think I've had lame used about me before. it did used to be a valid medical term (which most of these things were at one point)
[17:21] <nigelb> ok, early bed time for me today
[17:21] <nigelb> later all :)
[17:21] <Pendulum> AlanBell: does Ubuntu for All have an IRC channel yet?
[17:25] <Pendulum> although my favourite ablist language is when people tell me I'm wheelchair bound
[17:25] <Pendulum> because I then tell them with the most innocent look on my face "no I'm not, I haven't found a partner willing to tie me to it yet" (and then switch to a sad face)
[17:26] <maco> hahaha
[17:28] <jcastro> that's awesome
[17:30] <maco> Pendulum: im reading the FWD post on that one, and remembering the time kjcole (dc loco) was looking out the window for his wife saying he was watching for someone short and moving much faster than a child would... because wheels go FAST
[17:30] <Pendulum> heh
[17:30] <Pendulum> I don't go so fast anymore
[17:30] <Pendulum> although that reminds me that I need to sort out renting a powerchair for UDS
[17:30] <maco> it was on a hill. i dont think she has an option
[17:30] <Pendulum> haha
[17:30] <Pendulum> I let go on hills :-)
[17:32] <Pendulum> at UDS-M there was a ramp down to the hotel restaurant and it was always useful if they funnelled everyone else through the entrance with stairs because then I could just let go and see how far I could get without pushing ;-)
[17:34] <jussi> Pendulum: wow, wheelchairs arent that cheap! http://www.caremedicalequipment.com/electric-wheelchairs.htm
[17:35] <jussi> thats almost like rent a car
[17:36] <Pendulum> jussi: yeah, I'm looking at renting from http://www.applescooter.com/
[17:36] <Pendulum> which is a lot cheaper
[17:37] <Pendulum> none of it is as good as my powerchair here, but I have no way of getting it to/from the airport here :(
[17:37] <jussi> ahh a scooter
[17:37] <jussi> not that much cheaper..
[17:37] <Pendulum> no, not a scooter
[17:37] <Pendulum> they also have powerchairs
[17:37] <Pendulum> http://www.applescooter.com/Orlando.asp?User=&Reservation=&AC=Checked&DD=&PUD=&DH=4&DM=00&DAMPM=PM&PUH=12&PUM=00&PAMPM=PM&HN=1&CR=Concierge&Attract=1&OL=&NS=&Model=&Device=Wheelchair&First_Name=&Last_Name=&Address1=&Address2=&City=&State=&Zip_Code=&Email_Address=&Mobile_Phone_Number=&Credit_Card_Number=&CC_Exp_Date=&Post=&Visit1=10/01/20105AS%20014591260312:00:13%20AM&Error=Wheelchair
[17:37] <Pendulum> I can't use a scooter because my thumbs dislocate
[17:38] <jussi> lol, I get an error down the bottom: Error ! The current browser is either too old or too modern (usind DOM document structure).
[17:38] <jussi> Pendulum: ah a trifle cheaper, the other one was 45 a day. still
[17:38] <Pendulum> yeah
[17:39] <Pendulum> just not possible to rent a chair like mine (which is all fancy and customized and stuff and had I bought it new out of pocket would have been about $15k)
[17:40] <maco> O_O
[17:41] <jussi> this place has 150 a week: http://www.questmobilitysolutions.com/medical-equipment-rentals.asp
[17:42] <Pendulum> maco: http://www.pridemobility.com/quantum/powerbases/q6series/q600.asp with power tilt & power recline
[17:43] <jussi> Pendulum: and its not possible to take with?
[17:44] <maco> jussi: where will it fit on the plane?
[17:44] <maco> super-duper-over-sized-baggage?
[17:44] <jussi> in the large luggage section?
[17:44] <Pendulum> it fits under the plane, but I have no way of getting it from my house to the airport :(
[17:44] <jussi> maco: planes are pretty big...
[17:44] <Pendulum> and no accessible taxies in my area
[17:44] <Pendulum> *taxis
[17:45] <jussi> Pendulum: no accessible taxis? O.o
[17:45] <maco> jussi: and oversized baggage is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[17:45] <jussi> Pendulum: how far is it?
[17:45] <maco> jussi: she lives middle of nowhere
[17:45] <Pendulum> maco: free for wheelchairs/disability/medical eqiupment :-)
[17:45] <maco> Pendulum: oh!
[17:45] <Pendulum> jussi: it's like 5-10 miles from the airport
[17:46] <maco> Pendulum: im guessing no accessible taxis = in the entire town?
[17:46] <jussi> Pendulum: and your chair doesnt have that range?
[17:46] <maco> haha you want her to wheel to the airport?
[17:46] <Pendulum> maco: air carrier access act. it's illegal for them to charge extra for medical equipment (and you can bring an extra carry-on of just medical equipment
[17:46] <Pendulum> jussi: no pavements by the roads and busy unsafe roads to walk along the side of
[17:47] <jussi> my wife used to work for a girl with a chair with a 40km range, she would do that amount no probs
[17:47] <maco> and where would you put your suitcase?
[17:47] <Pendulum> the chair shouldn't have problems with the range, it's the safety bit
[17:47] <jussi> Pendulum: that sucks - I keep forgetting how bad some have it
[17:47] <Pendulum> yeah
[17:47] <maco> need to move you to a real city
[17:47] <Pendulum> while I'm living here I'm pretty much stuck to places I can use my manual chair with
[17:47] <jussi> where I live we are known for our bike paths
[17:48] <Pendulum> maco: one of the "real" cities I've lived in had no wheelchair accessible taxis either
[17:48] <jussi> Pendulum: do you know anyone with a white van? :D
[17:48] <Pendulum> (but they did have wheelchair accessible public transport and I could have gotten to the airport that way)
[17:48] <Pendulum> haha
[17:49] <Pendulum> when I go back to work, I'll start fighting with vocational rehab to pay for an adapted van
[17:49] <jussi> Pendulum: :D
[17:50] <Pendulum> well, then I have to buy the van, but they'll at least pay for the adaptions
[17:50] <Pendulum> which will cut costs from $40k to probably $20k ;-)
[17:51] <jussi> this is a what we have pretty much all over the city: and a long way out also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgUkNxUE0wc
[17:52] <Pendulum> *ndos*
[17:52] <Pendulum> I am most definitely not in a city
[17:53] <Pendulum> I'd ask my ex how she got her powerchair to the airport when she moved, but I think her back folds down (mine can't because of the power recline)
[17:53] <jussi> Pendulum: nor I, but those paths come out almost to our house
[17:55] <Pendulum> okay, so I just googled "wheelchair accessible taxi connecticut" it turns out there's one in the entire state
[17:55] <Pendulum> it's an hour away from my house (so wouldn't help me)
[17:55] <Pendulum> and they only got it a year ago
[17:56] <jussi> Pendulum: wth? that is so weird - we have like 20 in Oulu - a town of 120,000
[17:56] <Pendulum> it's something I've noticed in the US
[17:57] <jussi> btw, one of our local pubs specialty drink - very cool! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BssofSb3yM&feature=related
[17:57] <Pendulum> when I was in Philadelphia (a large-sh city) there were no accessible taxis (and as far as I know that hasn't changed)
[17:57] <Pendulum> New York City only has about 200
[17:58] <akgraner> hey interview with Jono - in Issue 6 of Ubuntu User :-) http://ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2010/6/INTERVIEW-JONO-BACON-UBUNTU-COMMUNITY-MANAGER
[17:59] <jussi> Pendulum: that is crazy
[18:02] <AlanBell> Pendulum: not yet
[18:05] <Pendulum> AlanBell: okay. well just so you know I've mentioned Ubuntu for All to the person who said they felt like they'd been excluded from Ubuntu for "lifestyle" reasons
[18:05] <Pendulum> (on jorge's blog)
[18:05] <highvoltage> Pendulum: which blog entry was that?
[18:06] <AlanBell> oh goodie
[18:07] <pleia2> philly pretty much sucks for all kinds of transportation for everyone
[18:07] <pleia2> lousy public transit, lousy taxi service, driving is a traffic nightmare
[18:07] <AlanBell> he seems to argue that he disagrees with the CoC because it doesn't hold him to a high enough standard or something
[18:07] <pleia2> (and it's the 6th largest city in the country!)
[18:07] <AlanBell> although I may have missed his point because of tl;dr
[18:10] <maco> AlanBell: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1269346407/my-new-proposal-for-improving-governance#disqus_thread
[18:10] <AlanBell> yeah, I know, reading it again now
[18:11] <AlanBell> I know what bisexual is, I am slightly curious about what polysexual is, but I feel asking Google may be unwise
[18:13] <maco> not everyone fits the gender BInary
[18:13] <maco> or hmm wait no thats pan/omni
[18:13] <AlanBell> indeed
[18:13] <maco> i would guess poly = > 1 partner
[18:14] <Pendulum> yeah, i assumed it was what I knew of as polyamorous
[18:14] <maco> ive never heard polysexual, but going by polyamourous...
[18:14] <Pendulum> pleia2: I actually didn't mind most of the public transit
[18:15] <maco> Pendulum: well except polyamourous groups (polymer is what cjwatson and i started calling them)  arent necessarily all in the room at once. so id guess polysexual is how many people you're being sexual with at a time...
[18:16] <Pendulum> (annoyed by the number of light-rail stations that weren't accessible, but that's like complaining about the subways in NYC not being accessible)
[18:16] <maco> hmm nyc did involve stairs...
[18:17] <maco> i should look and see how many accessible taxis are in dc
[18:17] <Pendulum> and most places I was in Philly area were about as bus accessible as most places I was in NYC
[18:18] <Pendulum> the real problem with SEPTA is the yearly budget threats ;-)
[18:23] <maco> found it! and it wasnt on FWD!
[18:23] <maco> http://whatsortsofpeople.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/ableist-language-alternatives/
[18:24] <maco> though id take "weak" and "feeble" off the safe list
[18:25] <Pendulum> yeah
[18:25] <Pendulum> and I'd add "boring" under alternatives to lame
[18:32] <czajkowski> I'm a little amazed at the amount of places to rent that say "must like cats"
[18:34] <AlanBell> seen any that say "must like large snakes"?
[18:34] <AlanBell> "must like chickens"
[18:36] <czajkowski> no
[18:36] <czajkowski> but I'd prefer to see either of those
[18:36] <czajkowski> yucy cats
[18:36] <maco> boo!
[18:36] <Pendulum> haha
[18:36] <Pendulum> czajkowski: are you looking at rooms rather than separate flats?
[18:37] <maco> note to self: don't ask czajkowski for flatmateness if moving to uk
[18:37] <czajkowski> damn  K key
[18:37] <czajkowski> maco: I HATE cats
[18:37] <czajkowski> Pendulum: both
[18:37] <czajkowski> ideally I'd love a 1 bedroom flat
[18:37] <czajkowski> but those seem to be then miles away from work
[18:37] <czajkowski> so kinda torn
[18:38] <jcastro> cats are great
[18:38] <jcastro> little hunters
[18:38] <jcastro> I still haven't been able to get him in the carrier to take him to the vet the past 2 days
[18:39] <Pendulum> I miss having a cat :(
[18:39] <Pendulum> although my mother made comments about maybe getting another cat and I told her I was happy to petsit when they went on vacation if she got another cat
[18:39] <maco> i used to work at a place where the ceo also did cat rescue. if she rescued kittens, they'd come to the office to play with us at work since they couldnt be left home alone all day
[18:40] <maco> one of them was adopted by the make-magic-happen person
[19:07] <czajkowski> honesly my sisters place rivals most spa treatment places, so much stuff to chose from and sample. FUN, she may regret me staying here
[19:11] <Pendulum> haha
[19:11] <Pendulum> czajkowski: are you there while she's away?
[19:12] <jussi> sweet and sour corn chips... interesting tast
[19:12] <jussi> somewhat like salt an vinegar, but sweet also
[19:17] <czajkowski> Pendulum: yup till tuesday till I collect them at midnight
[19:17] <czajkowski> means i can hang out with lyz this week
[19:17] <czajkowski> and I've 2 open week stuff i need to do as well, and a tal for saturday
[19:19] <Pendulum> :)
[19:19] <Pendulum> and the release party?
[19:20] <czajkowski> yup
[19:20] <czajkowski> I'd have more freedom living at home http://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=1383078
[19:45] <Pendulum> yeah
[20:05] <sense> good evening!
[20:05] <sense> For the first time, from Dokkum. :)
[20:08] <AlanBell> czajkowski: that will be empty nesters :)
[20:11] <Pendulum> hiya sense
[20:11] <sense> hi Pendulum
[20:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye
[20:29] <jcastro> hmm
[20:29] <jcastro> should I try to get the SE link mentioned in -release-party or you think that'll get shot down?
[20:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: why not it's a good idea
[21:46] <duanedesign> AlanBell: ping
[22:01] <sense> good night everyone and a happy release day tomorrow!
[22:03] <AlanBell> hi duanedesign
[22:05] <duanedesign> hello AlanBell
[22:06] <AlanBell> o/
[22:06] <duanedesign> I think i found it. I was looking for the page with the bugs filed against the wiki
[22:06] <duanedesign> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs
[22:07] <AlanBell> yeah, specifically https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki
[22:08] <duanedesign> ahhh
[22:08] <duanedesign> thank you sir
[22:27] <czajkowski> 60 teams celebrate 10.10 :D
[22:27] <czajkowski> impressive :D
[22:52] <doctormo> czajkowski: I also filled in all the events we've done in the loco directory so the loco council can see we're not dead.
[22:53] <czajkowski> great stuff thanks


[06:18] <guiverc> :) good to hear @Michael Van Bogaert
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[18:11] <oerheks> ops, please remove this dude
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