[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86140 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "no sound" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86140
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86141 in Ubuntu "Partioner from OEM install buggy. Can't install from livecd because of qtparted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86141
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86143 in gcx (universe) "GCX Crash On Star Select...Measure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86143
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86142 in epiphany-browser (main) "Jerky rendering in Epiphany (herd4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86142
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86146 in Ubuntu "Installer crashed (6.06)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86146
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86144 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Intel 80821 Soundcard doesn't work with linux-headers-2.6.17-11" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86144
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86147 in Ubuntu "inconsistent behavior with middle-click scrollbar dragging" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86147
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86148 in gedit-plugins (universe) "Cannot load Python plugin for 'External Tools' 'Python Console' and 'Snippets' in amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86148
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86149 in Ubuntu "wlan chip rtl8185 don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86149
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86150 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86150
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86151 in Ubuntu "drummer sound in gdm always on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86151
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86152 in Ubuntu "wrong detection of mobile P4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86152
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86153 in rkhunter (universe) "rkhunter complains about files shipped by Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86153
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86154 in php-imlib (universe) "Unmet deps [Feisty] " [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86154
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86155 in Ubuntu "smb browsing only shows my notebook in windows net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86155
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86156 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel 2.6.20-8 cannot mount SATA root on ASUS P5B VM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86156
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86157 in rhythmbox (main) "Program didn't crash but ubuntu told me it did" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86157
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86158 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes while opening mininova.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86158
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86159 in spe (universe) "unexpected termination while running" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86159
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86160 in xscreensaver (main) "xscreensaver causes kernel panic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86160
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86161 in vim (main) "tried to update to feisty from edgy and vim-tiny did not update due to circular? dependancies " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86161
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86163 in apt (main) "default from apt-get to aptitude" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86163
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86162 in gnome-desktop (main) "Desktop halts loading when startup sound is played" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86162
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86164 in ogle (universe) "Ogle crashes when attempting DVD play" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86164
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86165 in postgresql-8.1 (universe) "/usr/lib/postgresql/8/1/lib/plpython.so is built against Python 2.5, which crashes postgres" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86165
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86169 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel panic acpi related" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86169
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86167 in Ubuntu "Installer Crashed when installing - delete entire drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86167
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86168 in kdelibs (main) "kded crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86168
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86170 in python-imaging (main) "im.show() does not work because the system cannot find the program "xv"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86170
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86172 in dbus (main) "Unable to open the session message bus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86172
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86174 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86174
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86173 in gnomad2 (universe) "gnomad2 crashed while creating playlist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86173
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86175 in Ubuntu "Error message cut off during installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86175
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86176 in ubiquity (main) "uiquity crashes when installing grub (kubuntu feisty herd4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86176
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86177 in Ubuntu "IBM mouse scroll wheel too sensitive and horizonal scroll does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86177
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86178 in evolution-exchange (main) "[apport]  evolution-exchange-storage crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86178
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86179 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86179
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86180 in beryl-manager (universe) "Beryl eating a lot of memory and crashing after editing a pixmap theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86180
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86181 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86181
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86182 in evolution-exchange (main) "No exchange settings anywhere " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86182
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86183 in Ubuntu "ipw2200 uninitialized at boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86183
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86184 in compiz (universe) "Can't change cursor style using Compiz in Feisty." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86184
[04:02] <Hobbsee> bug 85048
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85048 in tinyca "rovoked certificates are shown as valid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85048
[04:02] <Hobbsee> kde bug 85048
[04:02] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 85048 in general "calendar day-picker tries to show two months at once" [Minor,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85048
[04:03] <Hobbsee> bug 85948
[04:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85948 in konversation "ctrl-,/. shortcut not working in konversation" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85948
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86186 in network-manager (main) "Clicking on already-selected Wired Network causes disconnect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86186
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86187 in kq (universe) "Please sync kq (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86187
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86188 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86188
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86189 in firefox (main) "Crash on changing file name for upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86189
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86190 in firebird2 (universe) "firebird2 fb_lock_mgr program crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86190
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86191 in hal (main) "HAL Device Manager is hard to use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86191
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86193 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-about-me crashed with SIGSEGV in g_io_channel_shutdown()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86193
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86192 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "New Feisty nvidia-glx upgrade causes glitches and artifacts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86192
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86194 in Ubuntu "HAL device manager does not produce portable output" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86194
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86197 in gimp (main) "Gimp crash on startup (hang on xsane)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86197
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86196 in totem (main) "[Feisty]  Firefox crashes with content that runs totem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86196
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86198 in Ubuntu "package update errors afer fresh install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86198
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86199 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim-url-handler crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86199
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86201 in sound-juicer (main) "Open random and information It's not correct" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86201
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86200 in soundconverter (universe) "Delete, add files, wrong file count" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86200
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86202 in ubiquity (main) "Ubiquity gives no help when already have four primary partitions defined" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86202
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86203 in rcalc (universe) "[apport]  rcalc-term crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86203
[07:19] <TheMuso> c
[07:19] <TheMuso> c
[07:19] <TheMuso> bah
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86204 in Ubuntu "Error with cdrom ide driver, Fiesty live cd, herd4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86204
[07:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86205 in ubiquity (main) "Install crashes using USB drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86205
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86206 in Ubuntu "Emerald crashed as k3b verified written data" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86206
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86207 in totem (main) "Video window cannot be resized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86207
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86208 in totem (main) "Herd 4 Wont download 3gp, wmv and dat video plugins automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86208
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86209 in eclipse (universe) "the "Next" button in wizards, not the "Finish" button, should be default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86209
[08:27] <rryan> anyone know why apache2 tends to shutdown every few days on multiple 6.10 machines I have? They all have pretty simple configs, nothing more than mod_php (running something like mediawiki) or FCGI serving python scripts
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86211 in ubiquity (main) "Install crashed - Error Report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86211
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86212 in smokeping (universe) "/etc/init.d/smokeping does not create /var/run/smokeping" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86212
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86213 in Ubuntu "In Feisty the first alt-f2 after booting doesn't bring up run dialog, requires a repetition." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86213
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86215 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in description()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86215
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86214 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[apport]  network-admin crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_accel_group_disconnect()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86214
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86216 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with OSError in _execute_child()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86216
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86217 in Ubuntu "tv tuner card with saa7134 not detected automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86217
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86218 in openoffice.org (main) "/usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop contains invalidness" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86218
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86219 in software-properties (main) "deb-src not updated properly when server is changed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86219
[09:37] <coNP> hello mvo, can you tell me if gnome-app-install will now auto-install recommends by default?
[09:39] <coNP> (bug 75026)
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75026 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install needs to install recommends" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75026
[09:39] <cowbud> anyone want to clue me in on what the best way is to pick which bug should be the parent of all duplicates?
[09:40] <coNP> cowbud: the one that is the "best" :)
[09:40] <cowbud> and if I am seeing multiple bugs I can change the parent as confirmed right?
[09:40] <coNP> I mean the one that has the most useful information
[09:40] <cowbud> yah that is what I figured..
[09:41] <coNP> you can confirm the parent for sure
[09:41] <cowbud> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/84906 should update-manager also be a part of this bug? I would say no but someone set it to it..
[09:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84906 in vim "vim-tiny postinst fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:43] <mvo> coNP: it does not currently. it would be easy to enable but I would like to test the implications (i.e. how many more packages will get installed with recommends on)
[09:43] <mvo> but it may be a good idea to turn it on there
[09:43] <mvo> and then turn it on on the gobal level
[09:43] <coNP> mvo thanks, do you think it will be enabled in feisty?
[09:43] <coNP> what about a checkbox in the (graphical) sources.list configurator?
[09:43] <mvo> coNP: I would like to write a small test app that compares what will be installed and what not
[09:44] <mvo> with and without install-recommends
[09:44] <mvo> and then decide
[09:44] <coNP> I see
[09:47] <cowbud> is there ever a thought of creating a gui frontend to launchpad instead of a webpage?
[09:47] <cowbud> was there
[09:47] <cowbud> wow that is a poor sentence sorry but im sure you guys get it
[09:47] <coNP> I am almost sure someone has every thought :)
[09:47] <coNP> but know nothing about that
[09:47] <coNP> every -> ever
[09:48] <cowbud> hrmm I just can't help but think it would be quicker to triage with such a program..
[09:48] <coNP> some kind of bughelper gui + graphical lp frontend
[09:48] <cowbud> yah
[09:49] <coNP> lp is closed source, that might cause some problems
[09:49] <coNP> I don't know if its interfaces allow that, however
[09:50] <cowbud> hah are you serious launchpad is close source?
[09:50] <coNP> cowbud: https://launchpad.net/faq , c-f, open source :)
[09:51] <cowbud> ahh I see
[09:52] <dholbach> good morning
[09:52] <coNP> morgen
[09:52] <dholbach> hey coNP
[09:54] <coNP> dholbach: is there any requirements to join ubuntu-desktop-bugs? I could not figure that out based on the wiki pages
[09:55] <dholbach> coNP: no, just join up and I'll approve you
[09:55] <coNP> okay, thanks
[09:55] <cowbud> what's the benefit of being in that?
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86220 in Ubuntu "gnome-power-manager crashed on hybernation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86220
[09:56] <dholbach> cool people are in that team :-)
[09:56] <coNP> cowbud: having a nice icon :)
[09:56] <dholbach> and you get nice emblem :)
[09:56] <cowbud> haha
[09:56] <coNP> cowbud: actually I did  a lot of desktop-related bug triaging, then why not try to join the team?
[09:58] <cowbud> do you get to set priority and stuff like that afterwards? :)
[09:58] <cypher1> dholbach: hi!
[09:58] <dholbach> hey cypher1
[09:59] <cypher1> dholbach: gone on vacation ?
[09:59] <dholbach> cypher1: why? because I wasnt here on friday?
[09:59] <dholbach> I dunno why people always want to set priority
[09:59] <cowbud> dholbach: it seems weird not to allow us to if we are saying they are confirmed or not..
[09:59] <dholbach> prioritity is mostly a tool for the developer to prioritise their todo list
[09:59] <cowbud> ahh
[10:00] <dholbach> confirming bugs is something else
[10:00] <dholbach> that's status
[10:00] <cypher1> dholbach: no the nickserv was saying you were last seen 3 days back.. :)
[10:00] <dholbach> cypher1: ah ok - well it was weekend :-)
[10:00] <cypher1> dholbach: i have lot of doubts/questions regarding bugsquad tools.. can i pm ?
[10:01] <dholbach> cypher1: sure, but we can also have the discussion here - as you like it
[10:01] <cypher1> ok sure then.. we can have here
[10:01] <cypher1> i was little concerned over how the code is being changed as part of the ongoing development
[10:02] <dholbach> cypher1: ok... what problems do you see there?
[10:03] <cypher1> for eg, one of the main advantages of object oriented is not to touch some working code unnecessarily if we have another way to extend it
[10:03] <cypher1> one of the things i noticed was changing of regex expression in __init__ functions :(
[10:04] <dholbach> cypher1: it'd be great to have your input on all of those questions
[10:04] <dholbach> cypher1: we're still in a very early stage of development and it'd be great to have you commenting on those changes
[10:05] <cypher1> IMHO building by adding member functions is the best way to minimize the earlier code from breaking
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86221 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86221
[10:06] <dholbach> cypher1: ok, sounds good - could you send a mail to the list about that?
[10:06] <dholbach> cypher1: it'd be great to let everybody know about that
[10:06] <cypher1> ok sure
[10:07] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[10:07] <cypher1> also why was the bugsquad tools is being designed by relying on layout HTML page ? will this approach put a serious limitation on how these pages can be redesigned later ?
[10:08] <dholbach> cypher1: at some stage we'll get xml output from launchpad
[10:08] <dholbach> cypher1: at the moment we don't have that yet
[10:09] <cypher1> dholbach: i guess the bug informations stored in some kind of database
[10:09] <dholbach> yeah
[10:09] <cypher1> dholbach: will the approach of enabling clients to do remote sql queries simplify things a lot ?
[10:10] <dholbach> we won't be allowed to do remote sql queries
[10:10] <dholbach> maybe xmlrpc, maybe we can download a xml blob from somewhere
[10:10] <cypher1> dholbach: sorry why ?
[10:10] <dholbach> but no direct database access
[10:11] <dholbach> i'm not a launchpad developer, but that's what i gathere from now
[10:13] <cypher1> dholbach: ok.. but it looks strange to me unless there is some sort of security concern etc :(
[10:13] <dholbach> cypher1: of course it's a security concern
[10:14] <dholbach> cypher1: how many sites do you have sql access to?
[10:15] <cypher1> dholbach: by sql access do you also mean the ability to do sql queries
[10:15] <cypher1> cypher1: that does not change the tables
[10:16] <dholbach> cypher1: sure, but it's a port on your box you can close from the outside world - LP is critical enough to not allow that by default
[10:18] <cypher1> dholbach: then another way is LP team to provide a site where we can pass SQL queries.. the site will have privilege to connect to sql server and execute and give back results.. will that be of any difference ?
[10:18] <dholbach> I don't think that's going to happen
[10:18] <cypher1> dholbach: why i was particular about this is because the performance and complexity of the bugsquad sort of programs will far better
[10:19] <dholbach> sure
[10:19] <dholbach> you can ask in #launchpad
[10:19] <cypher1> dholbach: ok
[10:20] <dholbach> as I said... I think it's going to be xmlrpc
[10:20] <cypher1> dholbach: thanks for your time.. i need to get back to work now .. talk to you later
[10:20] <dholbach> but they'll know for sure
[10:20] <dholbach> yeah - catch up with you later
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86223 in deskbar-applet (main) "[apport]  deskbar-applet crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86223
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86224 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed in grub-install hda1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86224
[10:35] <coNP> dholbach: you wrote we should forward bug 80725 upstream, however it is fixed in Feisty. Should I close it, or forward upstream?
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80725 in gnome-utils "gnome-dictionary won't use dictd at localhost" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80725
[10:41] <seb128> coNP: mark it fixed
[10:41] <coNP> okay thanks, seb128
[10:41] <seb128> coNP: when a bug is fixed to current unstable version we close it
[10:41] <seb128> coNP: we can open a stable fix task if we want to backport a patch but that one doesn't look like a candidate for that
[10:41] <dholbach> coNP: unfortunately the bug activity log does not say who marked it as fix released at what date
[10:41] <seb128> dholbach: ?
[10:41] <seb128> "19 Feb 07 09:38  	 ron Sisak  	gnome-utils: status  	Unconfirmed  	Fix Released"
[10:41] <coNP> what is the bug activity log?
[10:41] <seb128> coNP: left pane option
[10:41] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-utils/+bug/80725/+activity
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80725 in gnome-utils "gnome-dictionary won't use dictd at localhost" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:41] <seb128> it describes what changes have been made on the bug
[10:41] <dholbach> seb128: weird, it didn't show up a minute ago - my entry was the last one... WEIRD
[10:41] <coNP> oh, thanks, it is new for me:)
[10:41] <seb128> dholbach: 09:38 is like 2 minutes ago today
[10:41] <dholbach> seb128: ok, maybe it was proxy-d somewhere along the way
[10:48] <seb128> I'm curious to know why he marked it fixed though
[10:48] <dholbach> maybe it "works for him" now
[10:48] <seb128> did he try with edgy or feisty? or spotted a changelog entry
[10:48] <cowbud> dholbach: maybe he saw that he could add localhost himself
[10:48] <cowbud> ahh he did try that
[10:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86226 in gdesklets-data (universe) "Problem with the "debian-cow" gdesklet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86226
[10:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86227 in bloboats (universe) "Missing .desktop-file for bloboats" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86227
[10:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86228 in rafkill (universe) "Please sync rafkill (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86228
[11:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86229 in twinkle (universe) "Frequent failure to open soundcard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86229
[11:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86230 in xserver-xgl (universe) "[apport]  Xgl crashed Using Blender with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86230
[11:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86232 in Ubuntu "Feisty SATA HD failed detection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86232
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86231 in linux-ntfs (main) "Installer won't resize Windows Vista NTFS-partitions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86231
[11:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86225 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Sound Issues" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86225
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86233 in nautilus (main) "Reported filetypes on Nautilus/SSH not correct" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86233
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86234 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "2 swap partitions each mounted twice in 2.6.20-8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86234
[11:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86237 in rhythmbox (main) ""play" button on podcast notification" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86237
[11:39] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86235 in totem (main) "flv videos cannot be seeked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86235
[11:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86238 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed when trying to personalize toolbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86238
[11:45] <cowbud> grr missed duplicates for that totem firefox bug
[11:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86239 in totem (main) "cannot play a real media video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86239
[11:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86240 in regexxer (universe) "UVF exception: regexxer 0.8 -> 0.9" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86240
[11:56] <davmor2> Over the weekend I did a fresh install of herd 4 for the iso testing team.  Since this I have noticed that firefox is crashing out everytime I click on any media that is played live.  This wasn't the case with daily updates from herd 3 just wondering what might of chaged to screw this up.  It's on both 32bit and 64bit
[11:57] <seb128> davmor2: it's already fixed, upgrade
[11:58] <davmor2> seb128 yeah I figured it would get fixed quick I just wondered what it was?
[11:58] <seb128> it was firefox which stopped linked with libxpcom
[11:59] <seb128> it has been "fixed" by making the totem plugin link explicitly with that library
[11:59] <davmor2> okay ta.  Bit of hack then?  Why did firefox stop linking to it?
[12:00] <cowbud> seb128: so the confirmed was rejected sine it wasn't a totem bug (for: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/86196/ )
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86196 in totem "[Feisty]  Firefox crashes with content that runs totem (dup-of: 85112)" [Medium,Rejected]
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85112 in firefox "Firefox crashes after watching embedded video (undefined symbol: NS_CStringContainerInit)" [High,Confirmed]
[12:01] <seb128> cowbud: ?
[12:01] <seb128> cowbud: it has been marked duplicate
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86241 in kmplayer (main) "date applet on logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86241
[12:01] <cowbud> right but it was first marked rejected..
[12:02] <seb128> I reject duplicate with the stock reply
[12:02] <cowbud> ah
[12:02] <cowbud> duplicate bugs are supposed to be rejected?
[12:03] <seb128> not really, just marking duplicate and adding the stock reply is fine
[12:03] <davmor2> seb128: Is the fix committed I just did apt-get update 0 to install
[12:03] <davmor2> and it is still crashing
[12:03] <seb128> davmor2: "0 to install"?
[12:03] <seb128> 2.17.91-0ubuntu3 is the fixed version
[12:03] <seb128> what version do you have?
[12:03] <davmor2> sorry apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:04] <davmor2> seb128 is that on the plugin
[12:04] <seb128> or totem
[12:04] <seb128> they are supposed to be the same version
[12:05] <seb128> maybe you are using an outdated mirror
[12:05] <davmor2> no still ubuntu2 not 3 I'm on the gb server
[12:05] <davmor2> it's had problems before
[12:05] <seb128> k, your mirror is lagging behind
[12:06] <seb128>  *** 2.17.91-0ubuntu3 0
[12:06] <seb128>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[12:06] <seb128>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:06] <davmor2> thanks for the info anyway
[12:06] <seb128> np
[12:07] <davmor2> seb128:  You might know about this one too ubuntu database vanished from app/system tools just wondered why when the message still points you there?
[12:08] <seb128> because you didn't upgrade update-manager to the version with the update message probably
[12:08] <seb128> or you didn't restart update-manager
[12:08] <davmor2> no this was herd 4 install hadn't had chance to update diddly
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86243 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when accessing WindowsMedia content " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86243
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86244 in xubuntu-meta (main) "Xubuntu (Herd4) Application->Help not available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86244
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86245 in gnome-panel (main) "crash message comes up after downloaded updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86245
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86246 in prismstumbler (universe) "[apport]  prismstumbler crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86246
[12:39] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86249 in network-manager (main) "Support VPN connections in networkmanager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86249
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86251 in openoffice.org (main) "Printing *.doc to *.ps (print to file) goes wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86251
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86252 in Ubuntu "KLIK cannot be providet so easy like with Knoppix" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86252
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86254 in telepathy-python (universe) "UVF exception: telepathy-python 0.13.7 -> 0.13.8" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86254
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86256 in zatacka (universe) "[apport]  zatacka crashed with SIGSEGV in SDL_MapRGB()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86256
[01:18] <BugMaN> hi!
[01:18] <BugMaN> a little question, can i mark bug 6151 fixed?
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6151 in epiphany "Translation error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6151
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86257 in amarok (main) "amaroK indirectly depends on libgtk2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86257
[01:23] <BugMaN> seb128: i'm marking fixed 6151!  :)
[01:24] <seb128> BugMaN: why?
[01:24] <BugMaN> seb128: you reply that it's fixed from dapper..
[01:25] <BugMaN> seb128: in upstream no?
[01:25] <seb128> BugMaN: ah right, I clicked on the wrong URI, yeah, feel free to close it
[01:25] <BugMaN> ok
[01:25] <BugMaN> :)
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86255 in Ubuntu "feisty-desktop-i386/amd64 (herd 4) livecd boot fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86255
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86258 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "i810 driver: Using external widescreen monitor on a laptop needs a lot of complicated manual configuring" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86258
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86260 in Ubuntu "(feisty) No 3d acceleration with fglrx module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86260
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86261 in gquilt (universe) "Please sync gquilt (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86261
[01:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86259 in tracker (universe) "[apport]  trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV in g_ascii_table()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86259
[01:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86262 in xorg (main) "UI for changing X configuration is rather hidden" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86262
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86263 in tracker (universe) "[apport]  trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV in g_ascii_table()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86263
[02:08] <gnomefreak> seb128: you around?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> seb128: i dont think the totem+firefox bug is fixed. While testing the updated totem its crashing now instead of closing with totem stuff in stacktrace
[02:11] <seb128> gnomefreak: crashing?
[02:11] <seb128> what version of the package are you using?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> ubuntu3
[02:11] <gnomefreak> look at bug 86265
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86265 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86265
[02:11] <seb128> patches are welcome
[02:11] <seb128> it works fine for me
[02:12] <gnomefreak> it was after closing a link
[02:12] <seb128> SIGSEGV is a different bug
[02:12] <seb128> the one I fixed was a missing symbol error
[02:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86264 in eva (universe) "eva ships HTML symlink in /usr/share/doc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86264
[02:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86265 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86265
[02:13] <gnomefreak> yes and one of the links on one of the dupes crashed after closing with totem plugin errors in stack
[02:13] <seb128> you are not clear
[02:13] <seb128> are you saying that a bug has been marked dup incorrectly?
[02:13] <seb128> if that's the case just undup it ...
[02:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86266 in xorg (main) "No easy way to force laptops to use the external screen" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86266
[02:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86267 in Ubuntu "It's not possible to eject the CD after end installation at "eject and reboot"-screen." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86267
[02:32] <gnomefreak> seb128: can you test this link http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=2939419&md5=486267e1edd7ec32e7a2a4d076f71593  it will either crash while loading or after closing i can reproduce this every time (but yes i agree its not the missing symbol crash)
[02:33] <seb128> gnomefreak: doesn't crash, I'm using epiphany though
[02:34] <gnomefreak> i havent tried it i tried ff because thats what the bugs were reported on
[02:35] <seb128> lemme try
[02:36] <gnomefreak> asac: was able to reproduce it
[02:36] <seb128> gnomefreak: ok, it crashes with firefox here as well
[02:36] <seb128> what is the question about it?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> it is just a thought but could it have been: the missing symbol was causing it to close not crash now that the symbol was patched its allowing it to crash like it wanted to do in first place?
[02:38] <seb128> hum
[02:38] <seb128> not clear
[02:38] <gnomefreak> if you read stack it looks like totemplugin is causing it but im not expert on stacktraces
[02:38] <seb128> the missing symbol was causing the plugin to not start
[02:38] <seb128> which mean firefox was closing on any page where the video plugin wanted to start
[02:39] <seb128> because the browser is not robust to plugins error
[02:39] <seb128> that has nothing to do with the crasher
[02:40] <gnomefreak> but the plugin not starting the plugin couldnt crash now that plugin can start and run it can now crash
[02:40] <seb128> I don't parse that correctly I think
[02:40] <gnomefreak> is my thoughts on it alteast. i dont know how close i am
[02:41] <seb128> well, that seems to be complicated
[02:41] <asac> seb128: gnomefreak: its fine ... lets evaluate this first ... if we can track a crash down that is not related to the symbol, we will come back to seb128 :)
[02:41] <seb128> let's summarize
[02:41] <seb128> the plugin was broken
[02:41] <seb128> now it's fixed
[02:41] <seb128> any crasher is a bug, either from firefox or totem
[02:41] <seb128> any crasher due to video playing with totem plugin I mean
[02:41] <gnomefreak> plugin when broken could not crash (because it couldnt start)
[02:41] <seb128> well
[02:41] <seb128> if that's a SIGSEGV that's not a missing symbol problem
[02:42] <seb128> right
[02:42] <seb128> forget the missing symbol problem, it's fixed
[02:42] <asac> seb128: is there a -dbg package for totem?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> seb128: but now that plugin can start it is now able to crash
[02:42] <seb128> if you find a crasher now that's a bug
[02:42] <asac> i guess its a null deref because it happens in destructor
[02:42] <seb128> asac: we have dbgsym packages for everything which got rebuilt since octobre
[02:42] <seb128> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[02:43] <gnomefreak> from pittis repo?
[02:43] <asac> but -dbgsym don't show variables et al?
[02:43] <seb128> -dbgsym are identic to -dbg made with dh_strip
[02:43] <seb128> they are just a different namespace to not conflict
[02:43] <seb128> they show variables when they are not optimized values
[02:44] <asac> ok ... lets see then :)
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86269 in synaptic (main) "Sources list in synaptic hs not been adapted to Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86269
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86270 in base-installer (main) "feisty-alternate-i386 for herd-3/4 cannot install kernel from CDROM onto Via C7 cpu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86270
[02:52] <seb128> asac, gnomefreak: might be http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407679
[02:52] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 407679 in Browser plugin "Crash on webtv.tv2.no" [Critical,New]
[02:54] <asac> seb128: yes ... should be.
[02:55] <seb128> asac: feel free to reassign the bug on totem
[02:55] <seb128> s/on/to
[02:55] <asac> seb128: will verify the fix first ... then will do.
[02:55] <seb128> ok
[02:56] <seb128> asac: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/totem?view=rev&revision=4034
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86271 in serpentine (main) "exception during startup: undefined symbol: totem_pl_parser_type_get_typef" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86271
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86273 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with ImportError in __get_builtin_constructor()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86273
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86274 in gnash (universe) "[apport]  gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in gnash::XML::cloneNode()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86274
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86275 in deluge-torrent (universe) "[apport]  deluge.py crashed with ImportError in __get_builtin_constructor()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86275
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86276 in ndiswrapper (main) "FTBFS with module-assistant" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86276
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86277 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86277
[03:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86272 in gnome-panel (main) "Edgy:gnome-panel keeps crashing after unpacking iso (dup-of: 66189)" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86272
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86278 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "ip2200 skype lockup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86278
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86280 in banshee (universe) "Banshee frequently crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86280
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86281 in istanbul (universe) "unable to record sound with istanbul" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86281
[03:33] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86279 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed whilst writing GRUB to external USB disk sda" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86279
[03:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86283 in ontv (universe) "[apport]  ontv crashed with IndexError in _execute_child()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86283
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86282 in control-center (main) "Theme previews go away after installing new widget themes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86282
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86286 in netapplet (universe) "[apport]  netapplet crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86286
[03:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86285 in kdebase (main) "kcontrol crashes when I close it after changing screensaver (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86285
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86287 in kdebase (main) "no gl screensaver and  "kdesktop_lock" crashes when moving mouse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86287
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86284 in ubiquity (main) "Feisty Herd 4, grammar error in dialog text" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86284
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86288 in nicotine (universe) "[apport]  nicotine crashed with TypeError in GetSharedFileList()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86288
[04:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86291 in ubiquity (main) "[Feisty Herd 4]  partitioner stalls for a long time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86291
[04:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86289 in Ubuntu "Traceback (most recent call last)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86289
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86292 in hal (main) "usb key is not mounted automaticaly (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86292
[04:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86290 in Ubuntu "Buggy sn9c102 module on 2.6.17" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86290
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86293 in flpsed (universe) "Exported PDF is missing letters" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86293
[04:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86294 in Ubuntu "7.04 Control Center crash when using ISO-8859" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86294
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86295 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86295
[04:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81433 in update-manager "Error installing vim package in upgrade to Feisty using update-manager (dup-of: 84906)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81433
[04:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86296 in synaptic (main) "synaptic needs to reopen to read new proxy settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86296
[04:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86297 in ubiquity (main) "[Feisty Herd 4]  Partitioner behaves inconsistently" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86297
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86298 in sbackup (universe) "simple-restore-gnome (sbackup) chrashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86298
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86300 in evince (main) "evince zoom shortcut key problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86300
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86301 in Ubuntu "Feature Request: Dynamic head configuration in X.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86301
[04:51] <asac> what package to assign kubuntu bugs like bug 47416 to?
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47416 in firefox "Kubuntu Homepage links wrong" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47416
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86302 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed desktop cd 7.04 /4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86302
[05:17] <bdmurray> asac: probably ubuntu-docs I think
[05:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86303 in xorg "Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus do not function" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86303
[05:22] <cjwatson> caravena|AFK: please set the bug to needs-info and assign to yourself when requesting more information
[05:26] <asac> bdmurray: k
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86305 in gthumb (main) "UVF exception: gthumb 2.9.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86305
[05:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86306 in Ubuntu "qgis" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86306
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86307 in yakuake (universe) "Weird behaviour with Beryl." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86307
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86308 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86308
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86309 in texlive-extra (universe) "problem with arev in texlive-extra" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86309
[05:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86310 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed on attempting to play quicktime video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86310
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86311 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 85423)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86311
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86312 in firefox (main) "firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86312
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86314 in firefox (main) "Crashed logging into yahoo mail beta, trying to show security warning." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86314
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86315 in xen-meta (universe) "[FTBFS]  Patch for xen-meta 0.0.1-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86315
[06:08] <caravena> cjwatson: Assignet to ->?
[06:09] <cjwatson> caravena: to yourself; see the bugsquad docs
[06:09] <cjwatson> caravena: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[06:10] <caravena> cjwatson: Ok, thanks.
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86316 in wxmaxima (universe) "wxmaxima dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86316
[06:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86317 in xfce4-cpufreq-plugin (universe) "[apport]  xfce4-cpufreq-plugin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_ref()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86317
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86318 in gajim (universe) "Version 0.11.1 of Gajim has been released. Please update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86318
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86319 in lighttpd (universe) "Incorrect PATH_INFO when FastCGI/SCGI is serving "/"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86319
[06:40] <tsmithe> crimsun, bug 82986 is a very strange case
[06:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82986 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound after initial install" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82986
[06:40] <tsmithe> how can it be detected, but not detected?!
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86323 in gnome-media (main) "report bug display after move cursor of volume control" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86323
[06:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86324 in python2.4 (main) "python crash while bittorrent coming up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86324
[06:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86326 in python2.4 (main) "Python is missing the 'profile' standard library module." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86326
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86327 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_unlock_usercnt()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86327
[07:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86325 in alsa-utils (main) "alsa mixer Multi Track Internal Clock stuck on IEC958 and operation error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86325
[07:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86328 in live-package (universe) "live-package is uninstallable in feisty. (cdebootstrap version dependency)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86328
[07:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86330 in authtool (universe) "authtool-gtk claims that libpam-heimdal is required" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86330
[07:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86331 in authtool (universe) ""administrator" and "admin password" are unclear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86331
[07:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86332 in authtool (universe) "AD Realm vs. Default Realm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86332
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86333 in Ubuntu "X not working on nvidia fx5600 with 'vesa' driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86333
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86334 in kde-systemsettings (main) "systemsettings has improperly formatted text" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86334
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86335 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86335
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86336 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86336
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86337 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86337
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86338 in firefox (main) "Crash on submitting forum reply (AnandTech)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86338
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86339 in nmzmail (universe) "Lacks incremental index update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86339
[07:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86340 in mplayer (multiverse) "Mplayer crash when opening a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86340
[08:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86342 in linux-meta (main) "enable advanced congestion control" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86342
[08:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86341 in compiz (universe) "[apport]  compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86341
[08:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86343 in gnome-pilot-conduits (main) "Location field does not get sent to pda" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86343
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86344 in Ubuntu "beryl crashed while resizing gaim window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86344
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86345 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.10 amd64 on boot tty can't start job control" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86345
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86346 in gnome-power-manager (main) "login to gnome after apt-get upgrade (cli)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86346
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86347 in network-manager (main) "Static IP configuration leaves out keyword in /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86347
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86348 in gnome-applets (main) "Workspace switcher does not allow for adding new workspaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86348
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86349 in firestarter (universe) "[apport]  firestarter crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_x11_display_get_xdisplay()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86349
[08:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86320 in gnome-vfs2 (main) "[apport]  gnome-vfs-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in ovu_caps_free()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86320
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86350 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86350
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86351 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager crashes when configuring zd1211 wireless device" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86351
[08:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86353 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86353
[08:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86354 in Ubuntu "Fesity-create-launcher-on-gnome-panel-fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86354
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86355 in nmap (main) "nmap OS scan is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86355
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86356 in authtool (universe) "computer type profiles are unclear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86356
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86357 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin segfaults on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86357
[09:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86358 in user-setup (main) "user-setup allows mythtv to be chosen for a username" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86358
[09:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86359 in mono (main) "[apport]  mono crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86359
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86360 in gnome-applets (main) "[keyboard indicator]  "Show Current Layout" displays empty window (at least on amd64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86360
[09:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86362 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86362
[10:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86363 in Ubuntu "Feisty: When switching users the touchpad won't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86363
[10:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86367 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[apport]  gnome-power-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_event_apply_filters()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86367
[10:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86368 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "[apport]  gnome-cups-icon crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86368
[10:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86369 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_event_apply_filters()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86369
[10:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86370 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86370
[10:20] <cowbud> damn lots of firefox crashes
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86364 in lirc (main) "lirc-modules won't compile, upgrade to 0.8.1 needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86364
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86365 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86365
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86366 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86366
[10:20] <cowbud> there is anotha one..
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86374 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86374
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86372 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_event_apply_filters()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86372
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86373 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-theme-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_event_apply_filters()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86373
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86375 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86375
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86371 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86371
[10:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86376 in gnome-terminal (main) "[apport]  gnome-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in XRenderFillRectangle()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86376
[10:37] <gnomefreak> pochu: if your here we are starting the meeting soon
[10:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86377 in Ubuntu "the latest fire fox crash again" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86377
[10:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86378 in compiz (universe) "Switching "movement key" in "Windows Preferences" has no effect using Compiz in Feisty." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86378
[10:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86379 in authtool (universe) "authtool doesn't work if samba isn't installed" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86379
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86380 in authtool (universe) "crash if debconf db is locked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86380
[10:53] <crimsun> tsmithe: can you ``grep -nHr 168f /path/to/ubuntu-2.6.git/sound/pci/*'' ?
[10:53] <crimsun> I don't have my git trees readily accessible
[10:53] <tsmithe> ah ok
[10:54] <tsmithe> does that matter or shall i update?
[10:54] <crimsun> I'm pretty certain it doesn't matter if you're not synced; most of the changes have been to sound/pci/hda/
[10:55] <tsmithe> okey dokey
[10:55] <crimsun> specifically, sound/pci/hda/patch_{sigmatel,realtek,conexant}.c
[10:56] <tsmithe> nothing
[10:56] <tsmithe> what's 168f? a vendor/product id?
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86382 in gnome-panel (main) "[apport]  gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_free1()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86382
[11:06] <crimsun> tsmithe: SSID (subvendor)
[11:06] <tsmithe> ah
[11:07] <crimsun> tsmithe: in lspci -nv, ac97-class are 0401, HDA are 0403
[11:07] <tsmithe> yes
[11:07] <tsmithe> why?
[11:07] <crimsun> not necessarily bad
[11:07] <crimsun> assignment
[11:08] <crimsun> did you check the vendor (10b9) and device (5451), too?
[11:08] <tsmithe> no...
[11:08] <tsmithe> shall i pastebin the output, or just list the files?
[11:08] <crimsun> pastebin
[11:10] <tsmithe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6639/
[11:10] <tsmithe> so what are you aiming to do with this information?
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86383 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.1 installer ignores Intel driver clues" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86383
[11:12] <crimsun> um, is the title of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/82986/comments/3 misspelled?
[11:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82986 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound after initial install" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:12] <crimsun> (i.e., "Commment #3" ?)
[11:12] <tsmithe> eh?
[11:12] <crimsun> look in the titlebar
[11:12] <tsmithe> oh yeah
[11:12] <tsmithe> ...
[11:13] <tsmithe> looks like a lp bug
[11:13] <tsmithe> never noticed that
[11:16] <tsmithe> oh duh - 168f is the ali ssid, right?
[11:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86384 in initramfs-tools (main) "kernel/initramfs >2.6.20-6 fails to init RAID/LVM root" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86384
[11:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86385 in qtparted (main) "qtparted and kubuntu (desktop CD) partitionner don't recognaze all my hard drives." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86385
[11:18] <tsmithe> and i'm still unsure as to why lspci -vvn is better than lspci -vvnn... i find it hard to interpret without the english
[11:18] <crimsun> the ssid is misleading
[11:18] <crimsun> -n is more useful, because the driver is matched by those IDs
[11:18] <tsmithe> ok
[11:19] <tsmithe> but how do you know what IDs you are looking for (i.e., which is which)?
[11:19] <crimsun> that depends what the class is
[11:19] <crimsun> for ac97, generally SSIDs aren't as important /unless/ you're looking at quirks
[11:19] <crimsun> for HDA, SSIDs are essential
[11:20] <tsmithe> right
[11:20] <crimsun> (HDA is probably the biggest pile you'll see)
[11:21] <tsmithe> ow. why?! can't they all conform?
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86386 in hardinfo (universe) "Fatal error HAL!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86386
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86387 in Ubuntu "A strange message on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86387
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86388 in Ubuntu "Fiesty Herd 4 x64 Live CD - ipg driver does not autoload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86388
[11:28] <carthik> ta da
[11:29] <stgraber> hi
[11:29] <carthik> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/ --> updated :)
[11:29] <carthik> hi stgraber
[11:30] <crimsun> tsmithe: of course not, that would be silly anyhow. Why conform when one can sow discord?
[11:30] <tsmithe> grrr
[11:31] <tsmithe> why? to stop annoying me and you and everyone else, and then all the other people who are going to buy sound cards that won't work
[11:31] <tsmithe> :P
[11:32] <tsmithe> and while i'm at it, i might as well complain about git. *complain*complain*
[11:33] <tsmithe> carthik, that's just scary
[11:33] <tsmithe> is there a graph for acceleration as well?
[11:33] <carthik> tsmithe, derivates... hmmm
[11:34] <ajmitch> carthik: nice graphs, quite useful showing more time
[11:34] <carthik> thanks ajmitch
[11:34] <carthik> tsmithe, scary - yes. Sorry it has to be so, though. Acceleration, rate of acceleration would be nice to see too,
[11:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86389 in xfdesktop4 (main) "xfdesktop4-s menu basque translation bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86389
[11:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86392 in bzr (main) "empty push performance slower than needed" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86392
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86394 in Ubuntu "[apport]  synaptic crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86394


[21:06] <Slown> Hi everyone
[21:06] <Slown> Hi fossfreedom
[21:06] <Slown> how are you ?
[21:06] <fossfreedom> fine thanks.  and yourself?
[21:06] <Slown> fine, thanks
[21:07] <Slown> I just want to ask you
[21:07] <Slown> there is no e-mail client in the 16.04 version
[21:07] <Slown> any advice ?
[21:08] <fossfreedom> thunderbird or evolution.  Geary is buggy in 16.04.  Thunderbird is frequently updated since its part of the firefox update regime.
[21:09] <Slown> ok let's go with thunderbird
[21:09] <fossfreedom> however - reading omgubuntu and webupd8 - there are one or two electron based apps that people are excited about that you can install on 16.04.  Suggest researching those as well.
[21:10] <Slown> I have thunderbird on ubuntu mate (other computer)
[21:10] <Slown> so let's go with it
[21:13] <Slown> Hi David why the desktop is using 1 Gb of memory
[21:13] <Slown> is this normal ?
[21:26] <Slown> David ?
[21:57] <fossfreedom> Slown: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/


[10:37] <cpaelzer> sarnold: slyon: eslerm_: joalif: didrocks:  today is the Ubuntu stakeholder meeting to discuss the coming cycle, I won't be able to attend :-/ Could either of you drive the meeting please?
[12:49] <slyon> cpaelzer: I can.
[12:51] <cpaelzer> thank you slyon
[14:29] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:29] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:29:08 UTC.  The chair is slyon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[14:29] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[14:29] <dviererbe> o/
[14:29] <slyon> Still a bit early. Let's give it a minute or two
[14:30] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[14:30] <joalif> o/
[14:30] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:31] <slyon> This is looking very good. *bpf* got promoted. *trace* is making nice progress, just pending some work on libtracefs
[14:31] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[14:31] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:32] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:32] <cpaelzer> I managed to be free - hello (keep going slyon and thank you!)
[14:32] <slyon> just bug #2060056 from dviererbe
[14:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2060056 in dotnet8 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dotnet8" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060056
[14:32] <slyon> just-in-time cpaelzer :)
[14:32] <slyon> I'd like to ask cpaelzer to check this ^ as I think you have the most context.
[14:32] <cpaelzer> ack on bpf, I resolved that
[14:32] <cpaelzer> trace-cmd ack on looking good but needing a bit
[14:32] <slyon> It should be a quick "versioned package" upgrade, I assume. Correct, dviererbe?
[14:33] <dviererbe> Yes
[14:33] <cpaelzer> on dotnet8 I didn't feel there was much open other than asking "do we need a full process again"
[14:33] <cpaelzer> reading ...
[14:33] <cpaelzer> spoiler: the answer is no - not full again
[14:33] <cpaelzer> Oh I see, that is the new bug
[14:33] <sarnold> good morning
[14:33] <cpaelzer> I can give this a review tomorrow morning, expect this to be 99% a yes
[14:34] <dviererbe> Thanks! :)
[14:34] <slyon> cool, thanks!
[14:34] <slyon> assigned
[14:34] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:34] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:34] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <cpaelzer> so many recent updates
[14:36] <cpaelzer> should we go top to bottom?
[14:36] <slyon> ok. bug #2004516
[14:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2004516 in libyuv (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libyuv (transitive dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2004516
[14:36] <cpaelzer> ok, that says escalate to have a chance
[14:36] <cpaelzer> which I think is reasonable
[14:37] <slyon> This is blocked on security-review. but it's too late. I think it's not high priority and not necessarily needed for 24.04. So probably no need for escalation. I'll double check with ravikant_
[14:37] <slyon> bug #2051925
[14:37] <cpaelzer> yes
[14:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2051925 in libtracefs (Ubuntu) "[MIR] promote libtracefs as a trace-cmd dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051925
[14:37] <cpaelzer> and update the case either way
[14:37] <slyon> will do
[14:37] <cpaelzer> part of the bigger "perf tools for ubuntu by default" movement
[14:38] <cpaelzer> "I'm working on this and mostly finishing the changes." sounds good
[14:38] <slyon> right. that should be the last missing piece for trace-cmd
[14:38] <cpaelzer> ok, wait for the final update
[14:38] <slyon> bug #2004449
[14:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2004449 in libde265 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libde265 (dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2004449
[14:38] <slyon> cpaelzer: you were the original reviewer. This is part of the libgd2 -> libheif -> ... chain, which is moving closer to completion
[14:38] <cpaelzer> same as libyuv - although I'd love to have that in next LTS
[14:39] <slyon> Vladimir told me he did the work on this in Debian an it's sync'ed, can you double-check the requirements, cpaelzer ?
[14:39] <cpaelzer> oh no, security has passed that already
[14:39] <cpaelzer> yeah I can check against my requests from the review
[14:39] <slyon> thanks
[14:39] <sarnold> can this move forward if libyuv doesn't?
[14:39] <slyon> no it can't
[14:40] <slyon> well... it could probably, but doesn't make a lot of sense I think
[14:40] <cpaelzer> well,  libde265 could - but there is no point for the final use case without the other
[14:40] <adrien> for libtracefs, I think I'm only left waiting on test results (I think I triggered the tests too early and it didn't pick the version in the PPA sadly)
[14:40] <slyon> exactly
[14:41] <slyon> thanks adrien! please re-ping the MIR bug once it's ready
[14:41] <slyon> bug #1977614
[14:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1977614 in fdk-aac-free (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fdk-aac-free" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1977614
[14:41] <adrien> sure
[14:41] <slyon> tracking update from security team. Nothing to do for us
[14:41] <cpaelzer> ack
[14:41] <slyon> bug #2058192
[14:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2058192 in OEM Priority Project "[MIR][needs-packaging] lenovo-wwan-unlock" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2058192
[14:41] <cpaelzer> not yet ready
[14:42] <slyon> ack
[14:42] <slyon> bug #2054480
[14:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054480 in nbd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nbd-client" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054480
[14:43] <slyon> this is a case of "to re-review security" or "not to re-review security"
[14:43] <cpaelzer> +1 vote on should-be-reviewed
[14:43] <slyon> It would be useful, but we're past the point where we can make it happen for 24.04 I assume? I'll double-check with waveform to see how critical this is
[14:43] <cpaelzer> or is this "needs to be in noble in main asap" panic (still review but later then)?
[14:44] <slyon> I'll try to find out
[14:44] <cpaelzer> and if you need it
[14:44] <cpaelzer> go the "escalate with security" path
[14:44] <waveform> slyon, it's one of the items on my roadmap but it's not going to "break the image" if it has to go red
[14:44] <cpaelzer> See the update by Seth on the other bug
[14:44] <cpaelzer> if you (and mclemenceau_) think we should have it
[14:44] <cpaelzer> escalate it now
[14:44] <cpaelzer> and we might
[14:45] <cpaelzer> waveform: can this be "added to main later" ?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> we have done component moves after the release, that isn't impossible
[14:45] <cpaelzer> so could it be ready for 24.04.1 ?
[14:45] <waveform> well, the idea of including it in the image was to enable netboot of the release image, so if we add it to main later it'll only really benefit .1 onwards
[14:45] <cpaelzer> or is - after that is approved - a "major revamp how everything works" needed?
[14:46] <cpaelzer> I'm mostly, is this a "safe addition" later or is this "to be used break the world" change
[14:46] <cpaelzer> if it is the former, we can make it happen toward 24.04.1 and that should be our goal then IMHO
[14:46] <waveform> oh, safe addition -- it's basically just enabling the initramfs to support nbd boot (assuming the necessary kernel param is present)
[14:46] <cpaelzer> ok, how about that - not giving up on the item but timing it towards that?
[14:46] <eslerm_> o/
[14:46] <sarnold> given that this package had been in main itself, it's 'just'a binary package move, and I don't recall seeing it as a source of work, and that the attack surface is largely in the kernel, I think I'd encourage this to go to main in time for 24.04 release
[14:47] <cpaelzer> update the bug in that case and security can review without panic-priority
[14:47] <waveform> I'm fine with that (enabling for .1)
[14:47] <adrien> I do have a question for libtracefs btw: I've addressed comments; does the MIR team still needs to be involved or could a regular review before upload do it? (sorry to come back late to this)
[14:47] <cpaelzer> sarnold: sure, if you consider this a quick security review - let us make the change for 24.04
[14:47] <cpaelzer> I'm sure waveform will be happy
[14:47] <waveform> I would love it to go into 24.04 but if it has to be shunted, I'm okay with that too
[14:47] <cpaelzer> how about this - sarnold spends 20 minutes, and gives a shallow security review based on this being in main in the past kind of alreay
[14:48] <cpaelzer> if that outcome is good, get it into 24.04
[14:48] <sarnold> wfm
[14:48] <cpaelzer> if not, see former plan for 24.04.1
[14:48] <cpaelzer> great
[14:48] <waveform> sure
[14:48] <slyon> very nice! thanks
[14:48] <cpaelzer> waveform: sarnold: work together and make my Pi NBD boot!
[14:48] <sarnold> :D
[14:48] <waveform> o7
[14:48] <slyon> I guess that's all for MIR updates. dbus-broker is stuck for now and needs some additional (upstream) work
[14:49] <slyon> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[14:49] <slyon> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[14:49] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[14:49] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[14:49] <slyon> no updates as of last week AFAICT
[14:49] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:49] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:49] <slyon> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
[14:49] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:49] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:49] <slyon> Internal link
[14:49] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[14:50] <cpaelzer> no more looks front-loaded which is good given the time we are in the cycle
[14:50] <slyon> bug #2004516 was discussed above and should not get a sec-* tag for now
[14:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2004516 in libyuv (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libyuv (transitive dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2004516
[14:50] <cpaelzer> slyon: it should
[14:51] <slyon> bug #2060035 is targeted for 24.04.1
[14:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2060035 in msgraph (Ubuntu) "[MIR] msgraph" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060035
[14:51] <cpaelzer> just not an urgent one
[14:51] <slyon> wfm
[14:51] <cpaelzer> BTW - I know we all feel pressure atm, please all remember how bad this often was in the past, and be happy. Then take a breath and thank security for making it happen!
[14:51] <sarnold> <3
[14:51] <eslerm_> <3
[14:51] <cpaelzer> thanks sarnold and eslerm_ - pass the thanks to all that helped please
[14:51] <slyon> Yes.. we have enough fires in other places this cycle :)
[14:51]  * slyon looking at t64 & xz
[14:51] <cpaelzer> oh so true slyon
[14:51] <sarnold> yes
[14:52] <slyon> sarnold: eslerm_: OK so can we get msgraph and libyuv imported in Jira?
[14:52] <eslerm_> can do
[14:52] <slyon> for non-urgent processing
[14:53] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[14:53] <dviererbe> A follow up question to the dotnet6 MIR: Do I need to find an Archive Admin to do the promotion or will someone take care of this eventually before 24.04 GA?
[14:53] <slyon> adrien: can you please repeat your question from above?
[14:53] <slyon> dviererbe: AAs usually pick it up from the report, once the MIR status is "Fix Committed"
[14:54] <slyon> and it is seeded/pulled as a dependency
[14:54] <sarnold> dviererbe: the last comment from cpaelzer is "ready for you to change seeds" -- do know if this step has been done yet?
[14:54] <cpaelzer> I do not see it in component mismatches
[14:54] <slyon> neither do I
[14:54] <dviererbe> No, I don't think so
[14:55] <mirespace> o/ for the DMARC perl, do you need anything from me to decide about libmime-tools vs libemail-mime ?
[14:55] <cpaelzer> Hi mirespace -  who are you asking in particular?
[14:55] <cpaelzer> security, MIR in general, ... ?
[14:55] <slyon> mirespace: did you see this update? https://github.com/rjbs/Email-MIME/issues/66#issuecomment-2024085120 (cc eslerm_)
[14:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 66 in rjbs/Email-MIME "DoS on excessive or deeply nested parts" [Open]
[14:55] <cpaelzer> there is so much context that sadly left my memory
[14:55] <adrien> slyon: my question is whether the MIR team expects to have further MIR-specific comments for libtracefs or if any uploader/reviewer could check the open items effectively
[14:56] <cpaelzer> dviererbe: for your case, do you know what is expected from you to change seeds for this?
[14:56] <mirespace> _checking that link_
[14:56] <dviererbe> cpaelzer: not really, I have never done this so far
[14:56] <adrien> I've been addressing all the open comments and I'm almost done (it looks like something still isn't ready but it shouldn't take much longer)
[14:56] <cpaelzer> dviererbe: and you can be bold, and do it for dotnet6 and dotnet8 (for noble) to make them supported (but do not pre-install them anywhere)
[14:56] <slyon> adrien: you get the upload done and then a MIR team member needs to approve the bug report by changing to the relevant status
[14:56] <cpaelzer> slyon: can you teach dviererbe or organize that someone else does?
[14:57] <cpaelzer> foundations internal I mean
[14:57] <slyon> sure dviererbe. I can help with that. please reach out to me on MM
[14:57] <adrien> slyon: hmmm, right, the question is mostly moot indeed
[14:57] <dviererbe> slyon: ack
[14:57] <cpaelzer> adrien: once you think it is ready, update the case. And for urgency get in touch with me or slyon (to not wait for next Tue)
[14:57] <mirespace> :O ... so the MIME DoS issue is not toatally resolved...
[14:57] <adrien> cpaelzer: thanks
[14:58] <mirespace> cpaelzer: I was worried that the debate between mime-tools and email-mime could make the MIR being stuck
[14:59] <eslerm_> I would like to see rjbs/Email-MIME in 24.04, the upstream devs do great work at fastmail
[14:59] <cpaelzer> I'm worried as well, but too far from it to have a good understanding atm
[14:59] <slyon> mirespace: can you remind us of the LP bug number?
[14:59] <slyon> it didn't show up in today's lists
[14:59] <cpaelzer> also collision and I need to leave for the next meeting
[14:59] <cpaelzer> slyon: it is an older incomplete somewhere
[14:59] <mirespace> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmail-dmarc-perl/+bug/2023971
[14:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2023971 in libmail-dmarc-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-dmarc-perl" [High, In Progress]
[14:59] <slyon> cpaelzer: I have one question for you, regarding libgoa-* depdency
[15:00] <slyon> cpaelzer: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msgraph/+bug/2060035 (you can reply on that bug later)
[15:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2060035 in msgraph (Ubuntu) "[MIR] msgraph" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[15:00] <slyon> Not sure what to do about the libgoa-* dependency or why we check for it during the MIR review. It's been there for historical reasons. But we need it in this case
[15:01] <cpaelzer> eslerm_: to what extend it rjibs/Email-MIME and similar good wishes for the future but no blockers for now
[15:01] <cpaelzer> after all time for 24.04 runs out and I understand mirespace getting concerned
[15:01] <cpaelzer> mirespace:  what are the options we have there
[15:01] <cpaelzer> is it:
[15:01] <eslerm_> libmail-dmarc-perl does have an ack, the open issue needs to be solved, but *might* not be a blocker (Seth?)
[15:02] <cpaelzer> I fail to summarize it :-/
[15:02] <mclemenceau_> thanks cpaelzer sarnold, I'm ok with the plan w.r.t netboot with a preference for addition in 24.04 :)
[15:02] <eslerm_> I don't mind contacting upstream and asking if they can make a plan
[15:02] <mirespace> use the change we did to use libmime-tools-perl, diverging from upstream
[15:02] <cpaelzer> ok, consider ^^ option (a)
[15:03] <cpaelzer> what is option (b)
[15:03] <cpaelzer> slyon: for libgoa - it can be a build dependency, just not a runtime dependency (and not part of the final code, no static linking tricks)
[15:03] <mirespace> if (a) is libemail-mime contacting upstream, option (b)is  use libmime-tools, diverging upstream
[15:04] <slyon> cpaelzer: ACK. thanks I'll update the case
[15:04] <cpaelzer> slyon: but if it is used at build to get stuff done (like test tools, binary mangling helpers, ...) then it does not need to be in main
[15:04] <sarnold> (or 'it's not a library it's just a .h file tricks :)
[15:04] <cpaelzer> slyon: >Trusty, before it had to be
[15:04] <cpaelzer> sarnold: yes, that I count as "static code active in the final binary" which would need to be in main
[15:05] <cpaelzer> sarnold: just as much as any other similar trick
[15:05] <cpaelzer> back to mime
[15:05] <cpaelzer> eslerm_: mirespace: what is the way forward
[15:05] <cpaelzer> eslerm_: you said the open issue might (tm) not be a blocker
[15:05] <slyon> libgoa being gnome-online-accounts, right? I.e. https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/libgoa-1.0-0b
[15:05] <cpaelzer> just an important "we want to work thazt out in the long run"
[15:06] <cpaelzer> if it is really that, can we go on with the promotion of that stack then?
[15:06] <cpaelzer> as-is I mean
[15:06] <mirespace> the promotion form my PPA uses libmime-tools by the moment
[15:06] <eslerm_> since these are ack'd I am okay with pushing through if Seth agrees. If so, I can contact upstream and try to settle issues.
[15:06] <mirespace> because emailñ-mime introduced duplicity
[15:07] <cpaelzer> sounds like a good plan compromise, unblock now, do not give up on making it better
[15:07] <cpaelzer> and thanks for the offer to contact upstream
[15:07] <sarnold> I'm a bit worried that comment #27 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmail-dmarc-perl/+bug/2023971 suggests that there's even MORE packages to MIR in order to "just ship what debian ships"
[15:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2023971 in libmail-dmarc-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-dmarc-perl" [High, Incomplete]
[15:07] <eslerm_> (I'll message upstream today)
[15:07] <sarnold> but I have to admit that this is a twisty maze of package names that all collide into one single mental hashbucket and I've long ago lost the plot
[15:07] <cpaelzer> sarnold: well, we can slowly sort that out one by one >24.04
[15:08] <cpaelzer> the question is can we take the current approved set for 24.04 and resolve it here?
[15:09] <cpaelzer> if yes, then I'd ask mirespace to work with bryce to prepare the seed/dependency changes and prepare a session telling me what would need to be promoted and why. I could check one by one - if all good mass promotion
[15:09] <cpaelzer> mirespace: will work on several follow up items anyway, like the elliptic curve lib wrapper and such
[15:10] <mirespace> for me it's ok
[15:11] <slyon> +1
[15:12] <cpaelzer> so to summarize, eslerm_ contacts upstreams for a better path forward. mirespace will prep and lay out what we have ready and can land for 24.04
[15:12] <cpaelzer> short: get what we have to noble, mid term make it better
[15:12] <eslerm_> I can do that :)
[15:13] <mirespace> sounds like a plan :)
[15:13] <cpaelzer> mirespace: can you work with bryce to get all in line (probably some blocks by the beta freeze) and then get in touch
[15:13] <cpaelzer> it is work, but better than the unclear state before
[15:13] <cpaelzer> ok, we are way over time
[15:13] <mirespace> yes, I do.. thank you all for unblocking this
[15:13] <cpaelzer> slyon: time to get to the end :-) ?
[15:13] <sarnold> i'm probably not going to come to a good udnerstanding of the whole problem space and the options quickly .. so here's a few of my general thoughts: (a) I'd prefer to not diverge from debian and the upstreams if we can (b) i'm fine with shipping mirespace's "lets change packages to meet our existing main requirements" but I'm not wedded to it (c) I'm not too worried about a 1 meg --> 2 gigs of ram
[15:13] <sarnold> DOS, that'd probably be tolerable enough to fix post-release if upstream doesn't get to it sooner
[15:14] <sarnold> (doesn't every mail server have 100 gigs ram? :)
[15:14] <cpaelzer> almost
[15:14] <slyon> thanks for the summary!
[15:14] <cpaelzer> or 640k
[15:14] <sarnold> :D
[15:14] <slyon> do we have anything else?
[15:14] <slyon> #endmeeting
[15:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:14:55 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-04-09-14.29.moin.txt
[15:14] <cpaelzer> exhaustion everywhere
[15:15] <cpaelzer> thank you all
[15:15] <sarnold> nothing from me besidews thanks to everyone :)
[15:15] <slyon> oops, too quick :)
[15:15] <cpaelzer> hehe
[15:15] <slyon> anway, thanks all!
[15:15] <eslerm_> thanks all o/
[15:15] <mirespace> thanks all o/
[15:15] <dviererbe> Thanks everyone! o/
[18:59] <amurray> o/
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:00]  * vorlon waves
[19:01] <seb128> hey
[19:01] <vorlon> seb128: hi! I believe you're on for chairing
[19:01] <seb128> yes, sorry for being late!
[19:02] <seb128> #startmeeting
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 19:02:26 UTC.  The chair is seb128.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[19:02] <seb128> #topic Apologies
[19:02] <amurray> apologies folks but I have a hard stop in 30 mins so I may have to drop early
[19:03] <seb128> k, let's try to keep going, no apologies for this meeting I can see
[19:03] <seb128> #topic Action review
[19:03] <seb128> ACTION: rbasak to update third party repo draft with outcomes from our recent out-of-band meeting
[19:03] <rbasak> I've made progress on this...
[19:04] <amurray> it looks really good rbasak, thanks for that
[19:04] <rbasak> The doc is updated. Could all TB members please check what I've updated (highlighted in green), and raise any comments within a week?
[19:04] <seb128> +1
[19:04] <rbasak> This time next week I'll publish the initial consultation to Discourse for Ubuntu developers at large.
[19:04] <vorlon> yes
[19:04] <rbasak> Thanks amurray!
[19:05] <rbasak> FTR, I intend to edit heavily to clean up the documentation generally, resolve outstanding Google Doc comments, etc. But I don't intend to change anything substantial at this stage.
[19:05] <rbasak> (nothing about intent, I mean)
[19:06] <seb128> #action everyone to review the third party repo draft within a week and raise any comments they have, after that Robie will post to discourse
[19:06] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone to review the third party repo draft within a week and raise any comments they have, after that Robie will post to discourse
[19:06] <rbasak> Great. Thanks!
[19:06] <seb128> ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy
[19:06] <seb128> I guess that's what is happening in a week so carrying over?
[19:06] <rbasak> Yep
[19:06] <rbasak> So carry over that one please
[19:06] <seb128> #action rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy
[19:06] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy
[19:06] <rbasak> Nearly there!
[19:07] <seb128> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[19:07] <rbasak> Carry over my DMB action please
[19:07] <seb128> #action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[19:07] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification
[19:07] <seb128> ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays
[19:07] <vorlon> still outstanding sorry
[19:07] <seb128> #action vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays
[19:07] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays
[19:07] <rbasak> I also need to get the DMB election going
[19:07] <seb128> do you want an action item for that?
[19:07] <rbasak> Sure
[19:08] <seb128> #action rbasak to get the DMB election going
[19:08] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to get the DMB election going
[19:08] <seb128> ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations
[19:08] <seb128> still carrying that one over
[19:08] <seb128> #action seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations
[19:08] <meetingology> ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations
[19:08] <seb128> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[19:09] <seb128> there is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2024-March/002913.html but that doesn't really seem to be a TB topic
[19:09] <teward> *raises hand briefly*
[19:09] <seb128> teward, yes?
[19:10] <teward> regarding that, there was one sent to the CC and other teams as well as Canonical's teams.
[19:10] <teward> CC hasn't addressed it yet, but Canonical (Fallen, etc.) were starting to investigate best approaches
[19:10] <teward> just wanted to have that on the record.
[19:10] <teward> (expected it to show up here)
[19:10] <rbasak> It sounds like something the nearest Loco could take up perhaps?
[19:10] <teward> ^^ that
[19:10] <rbasak> Happy to hear that it's being looked at. Thank you!
[19:11] <teward> *returns to the shadowy void from whence he came*
[19:11] <seb128> thanks teward!
[19:11] <seb128> other list topic
[19:11] <seb128> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2024-March/002905.html (Call for vote: Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04 LTS Qualification)
[19:12] <seb128> afaik only amurray and me voted
[19:12] <seb128> can we get some other members to also vote?
[19:12] <vorlon> I have a concern about the "contact" being a list of ~10 people
[19:12] <vorlon> I've raised similar concerns with other flavor applications before
[19:13] <vorlon> but I haven't had time to respond to the list about this
[19:13] <seb128> can you follow up on the list with that concern?
[19:13] <vorlon> yes
[19:13] <seb128> thanks
[19:13] <seb128> want an action item for it?
[19:13] <vorlon> but mentioning here this is what's blocked me from +1'ing
[19:13] <vorlon> I'll accept an action item :)
[19:14] <seb128> #action vorlon to follow up on the Cinnamon 24.04 LTS Qualification re the number of contacts listed for the flavor
[19:14] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to follow up on the Cinnamon 24.04 LTS Qualification re the number of contacts listed for the flavor
[19:14] <seb128> no other topic on the list that I can see (outside of the DMB election which we discussed earlier)
[19:15] <seb128> #topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs
[19:15] <seb128> #info No open community bugs
[19:15] <seb128> #info No new techboard bugs
[19:15] <seb128> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[19:16] <seb128> #info Next chair will be vorlon, with sil2100 as backup
[19:16] <seb128> #topic AOB
[19:16] <vorlon> ack
[19:16] <seb128> AOB?
[19:16] <vorlon> nothing from me
[19:16] <amurray> neither from me
[19:17] <seb128> nor from me
[19:17] <seb128> ok, that's a wrap then, thanks everyone!
[19:17] <seb128> #endmeeting
[19:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 19:17:09 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-04-09-19.02.moin.txt
[19:17] <vorlon> thanks!
[19:17] <amurray> thanks folks - thanks seb128 for chairing
[19:17] <rbasak> Thanks all!


[05:15] <juan> hi!
[05:17] <juan> does anyone know if gutsy makes that battery life longer?
[05:17] <juan> sorry about my poor english
[06:59] <rweait> I have a Dell Inspiron 1100 with what appear to be power management problems.  Where should I look for previously reported bugs like this?  (Worked in 6.06, broken on 7.04)
[08:23] <yrjan> rweait: there's a bug tracker hidden somewhere, what's the problem?
[08:26] <takkaria> I don't seem to be able to find the laptop testing template