[09:30] <ub4b> i'm testing a cutom 8.04 server image on 64b VmWare ESX 3.5, for some strange reason debina installer tries to configure PPPoE even though I have 'd-i netcfg/disable_dhcp boolean true' in my preseed file
[12:53] <ub4b> I removed ppp_2.4.4rel-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb and ppp-udeb_2.4.4rel-9ubuntu2_amd64.udeb from the CD and the PPPoE probing is gone :)
[14:08] <xivulon> evand
[14:08] <xivulon> ping
[14:16] <xivulon> summary: my preliminary tests (booting off the extracted ISO content and other mods) are ok, but had to add minor fixes to lupin/hardy.proposed as well to partman-auto-loop/hardy.proposed on top of casper/hardy.proposed
[14:17] <xivulon> all the 3 set of */hardy.proposed are required, it is not going to work otherwise
[14:17] <davmor2> xivulon: Quick wubi question.  Should m-a not kick in to transfer the windows settings across to the wubi install?  If so it isn't and do you want it reporting?
[14:18] <xivulon> davmor2: yes please, m-a should kick in at least for some settings
[14:18] <xivulon> by the way, were you at uds?
[14:19] <davmor2> No but I saw the wubi vid :)
[14:19] <xivulon> hehe
[14:19] <davmor2> I'm getting a passport application so I can get to the next one :)
[14:20] <xivulon> hope to see you then (or in london)
[14:20] <davmor2> In London?
[14:21] <xivulon> that is where I live
[14:21] <xivulon> so if you are around beer is on me :)
[14:22] <davmor2> Ah cool I'm in Wolverhampton so it's possible.  Are you coming to LugRadio Live?
[14:23] <greenwhich> helloes, sorry to trouble you:P
[14:24] <greenwhich> i became a ubuntero today
[14:24] <greenwhich> and i'm interesting in the isntaller dev
[14:25] <greenwhich> i'm not familiar with how to contribute to dev process
[14:25] <greenwhich> does anybody can help me somehow to join the team?;)
[14:27] <xivulon> possibly yes
[14:27] <xivulon> davmor2 ^
[14:28] <davmor2> So might see you then also :)
[14:28] <xivulon> greenwhich there is some doc on the wiki, one sec
[14:28] <greenwhich> aha
[14:29] <xivulon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment
[14:29] <greenwhich> i tried to join a instller launchpad team..but i guess it doesn't work so easy
[14:29] <greenwhich> ok
[14:29] <greenwhich> thx
[14:29] <xivulon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerTeam
[14:31] <davmor2> xivulon: bug 234974 any info you need for it?
[14:31] <greenwhich> thx
[14:31] <davmor2> xivulon: No ubotu here's the link https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/234974
[14:36] <xivulon> davmor2 it helps if you (re)install in verbose mode, and then paste the tgz of /var/log/installer (after installation)
[14:37] <davmor2> xivulon: How do I set it to run in verbose mode?
[14:40] <davmor2> is it just a case of running wubi -v from cmd or something similar?
[14:45] <davmor2> xivulon: ^ I'll run it tomorrow anyway.
[14:45] <xivulon> davmor2 uninstall and reinstall, when you reboot press esc after ubuntu
[14:45] <xivulon> np
[14:47] <davmor2> xivulon: Right with you the Ubiquity installer rather than the wubi np's.
[14:47] <davmor2> I'll add the log to to the bug.
[14:50] <xivulon> davmor2: thx
[15:07] <cjwatson> greenwhich: the Launchpad team grants commit access, so normally we ask people to be established patch contributors before joining that team
[15:10] <greenwhich> cjwatson: mm,ok.it's clear.so how process works with guys like me, who just became a ubuntero and wants to help in development?
[15:23] <cjwatson> greenwhich: start fixing bugs that annoy you, and attach patches to bugs; ask if you need specific help
[15:23] <greenwhich> ok
[15:23] <cjwatson> simple as that really
[15:23] <greenwhich> thank you:)
[15:23] <greenwhich> yeah
[15:24] <cjwatson> (that's a good model for nearly all development projects; some differ a bit in one direction or another, but that's basically how it tends to work)
[15:24] <cjwatson> of course if you want to dive into feature development work then that's OK too, but it's usually better to work on improving what's there for a while before you attempt that
[15:25] <greenwhich> yep, agree
[15:25] <greenwhich> need to try it at first
[17:48] <highvoltage> hey. I have a custom ubuntu disc, can I stop ubiquity from downloading all the language packs afterwards?
[19:37] <andrea-bs> hi there! how can I disable the migration assistant from ubiquity?
[19:37] <highvoltage> andrea-bs: check ubiquity --help
[19:37] <highvoltage> andrea-bs: it has an option to disable it
[19:38] <highvoltage> andrea-bs: I just can't remember the exact option :)
[19:38] <andrea-bs> thank you, highvoltage
[19:38] <andrea-bs> it's --no-migration-assistant :)
[19:39] <highvoltage> that's it yes
[22:50] <foka> cjwatson, Here?
[22:51] <foka> cjwatson, http://www.unifoundry.com/unifont.html
[23:10] <cjwatson> foka: coo, thanks. I sent that link to Debian #218720
[23:12] <cjwatson> I'll send the Ubuntu patches his way too when I get a few minutes
[23:13] <foka> cjwatson, Cool!  :-)  Paul Hardy of Unifoundry sent an ITA and requested for help on debian-mentors, and I just happened to see that by happy accident.
[23:15] <foka> http://bugs.debian.org/356594
[23:16] <cjwatson> At some point I may be able to dig myself out from under openssh ...
[23:19] <foka> BTW, thank you for the speedy remedy to the SSH vulnerable key problem.  It must have been very hectic for you.
[23:21] <cjwatson> it's especially fun when such things are wedged in between company performance reviews and conference organisation
[23:26] <foka> No doubt eh, but I'm glad you pulled it through.  Not easy at all.
[23:26] <cjwatson> and with http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2008/05/msg02311.html there's no sign of it slowing down ;-)
[23:26] <cjwatson> yeah, one of those things you have no choice but to deal with one way or another; definitely the worst vulnerability I've seen in my time
[23:27] <foka> Sorry, I gave you the wrong link.  Here is the ITA message on debian-mentors... (I don't know what his ITA bug number is though... not filed under wnpp...)
[23:27] <foka> http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2008/05/msg00502.html
[23:28] <foka> Yes, it is pretty shocking, and I bet many people still don't know about it.  (e.g. novice system admins in China who don't read news or seldom upgrade their systems...)
[23:29] <foka> Oh my, that's a very long changelog!
[23:32] <foka> Thank you for the great effort you put into fixing this.  I see you have taken extraordinary measures to remedy this major vulnerability.  (Yes, I agree with you: It is the most widespread and the worst)
[23:32] <cjwatson> next step is to take further measures to force people to upgrade, like having the client refuse to send blacklisted keys as well


[00:23] <Guest52071> anyone want to help a noob out?
[00:26] <shumski> Guest52071: what troubles you?
[00:49] <szal> can't have been important ;)
[01:44] <digitalj> Yay, Kubuntu. Thanks for the best linux distribution I've ever used.
[03:45] <mr-rich> Is ther a way to get "KDE IM Contacts" to minimize to the task bar?
[03:58] <k4ever> hi all.
[03:58] <k4ever> are the backports broken?
[03:58] <DarthFrog> Worked for me earlier today.
[03:58] <k4ever> i added the kubuntu backports to lm 12 and reloaded synaptic and the packages are not showing
[03:59] <k4ever> the backports don't show in the output when i do a sudo apt-get update either
[04:00] <DarthFrog> Perhaps you erred when you added the repo?
[04:00] <k4ever> i followed the instructions for adding it
[04:15] <k4ever> i'm looking in the backports directory for oneiric now.  the Packages file is empty.  what gives?
[04:17] <k4ever> ..only one that seems to have anything in it is precise. what gives?  will kde 4.9 only work on precise?
[05:22] <Obsidian1723> anyone know a good iptables blacklist setup? I'm looking to automatically update it, block ipv4 and 6 as well as the country TLDs.
[06:28] <lionux> Hello , I'm using kubuntu 12.04 does anyone know how to completely remove windows widget style ?
[06:31] <hateball> I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[06:31] <hateball> "windows widget style" ?
[06:32] <lionux> yea . system settings styles widget
[06:32] <lionux> i don't like windows only oxygen !
[06:34] <lionux> so how to remove this ?
[06:35] <hateball> Hmmm, I'm still trying really hard to understand what it is you mean, sorry :|
[06:36] <lionux> Hmmm , ok i take a screnshot and show you what i mean !
[06:37] <hateball> lionux: Yeah that would be easier I guess :)
[06:40] <lionux> http://imagebin.ubuntu-gr.org/1346395207.png
[06:42] <tonberryE352> if you don't like it don't use it?
[06:45] <lionux> hateball: what do you suggest?
[06:46] <hateball> Is that even KDE4? I cant find where to edit that
[06:47] <lionux> yes. me either !
[06:47] <lionux> tonberryE352: i even don't like to see it !
[06:48] <lionux> \that's why i want to completely remove it
[06:48] <lionux> Anyway thank you very much .
[07:52] <juanito_> Hi there
[07:52] <juanito_> Does someone know how to change the welcome sound on Kubuntu 12.04?
[07:55] <hateball> juanito_: Go into System settings -> Notifications
[07:55] <hateball> juanito_: and change to "KDE Workspace", there you have the login sound among other things
[07:57] <juanito_> Oh thank you so much!!!!! since kubuntu 6.10 I hate this start up music and never had time to change it
[07:59] <hateball> juanito_: hehe :D
[07:59] <hateball> well you're welcome!
[08:04] <juanito_> haha
[09:16] <geekgirl> hello
[09:16] <geekgirl> is this a good place to ask about problems i am having with installing wireless?
[09:17] <geekgirl> i have ndisgtk as the recommended wrapper for wireless but i don't seem to be able to get it to work
[09:19] <susundbe1g> geekgirl: those wireless are pain in the ass, sofar i have seen best method as google->trial+error until it works or time is out
[09:19] <geekgirl> yuck really susundbelg sigh
[09:19] <susundbe1g> specially those usb dongles seems to be almost impossible to get work reliably (based on my 2 device experience)
[09:20] <susundbe1g> you can try also to check lsusb and the device id and google for that, for driver, and then look if developers have support somewhere ..
[09:22] <susundbe1g> (lsusb assuming the device is usb device, and id similar to '046d:c049' )
[10:55] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:03] <Obsidian1723> anyone know a good iptables blacklist setup? I'm looking to automatically update it, block ipv4 and 6 as well as the country TLDs.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Obsidian1723, if you want a quicker answer , ask in #ubuntu , they have many more ppl to help with sort of question
[12:06] <BluesKaj> that sort of question
[12:06] <Obsidian1723> ok
[12:47] <mr-rich> Good morning.  Is ther a way to get "KDE IM Contacts" to minimize to the tray?
[13:10] <Linkmaster> What is a good virtual drive creator for Linux? I have a .cue/.bin image I want to mount, and its not converting to .iso with bchunk, so I was wanting to mount it directly. Or would it be best to get something such as daemon tools, and mount it with that through wine?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, use mkisofs to convert it
[13:14] <BluesKaj> !mkisofs
[13:15] <Linkmaster> ah, this is a new program to me
[13:15] <BluesKaj> !info mkisofs
[13:15] <Linkmaster> Er :/
[13:15] <BluesKaj> odd
[13:15] <Linkmaster> let me see with 'apt-cache'
[13:17] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: Note, selecting 'genisoimage' instead of 'mkisofs'
[13:19] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:19] <Linkmaster> Thank you, lets see if it works
[13:21] <framtic> I use IRC for first time.If one ifs in this channel,then i could talk with him,is that right ?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> framtic, yes ..do you have a kubuntu question ?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, http://linux.die.net/man/1/genisoimage
[13:25] <framtic> Ah,yes,I don't know where to find input method settings,kde is a bit different from gnome..
[13:28] <BluesKaj> framtic, kmenu>computer>system settings
[13:31] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj, its still mounting with the file.bin directly visible
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, did you convert the image to iso ?
[13:32] <Linkmaster> thats what I'm trying to do
[13:32] <BluesKaj> k3b may be able to do it
[13:32] <Linkmaster> And when I do, I mount the .iso file through terminal, and it loads up the original .bin/.cue file
[13:32] <Linkmaster> And yes, k3b does that, but it gives the same results
[13:33] <BluesKaj> don't mount the image , you can't convert it if it's mounbted
[13:34] <Linkmaster> I don't have the .bin/.cue mounted
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, have you tried ccd2iso
[13:40] <Linkmaster> I haven't heard of it, I just stumbled across something called CDEmu, but let me try the ccd2iso
[17:48] <linux12_> TESTING
[17:48] <BluesKaj> yes linux12_ ..it worked
[18:47] <BluesKaj> !phonon
[18:49] <BluesKaj> !info phonon
[18:56] <przemo> !info partimage
[20:10] <acer> hallo
[20:23] <kylie> anyone here a shell scripting wizard?
[21:27] <carlos> hello
[21:29] <teddyp1cker> hi
[21:31] <Bloathi> I was forwarded here from Ubuntu
[21:32] <Bloathi> I was looking for a non-gnome / gtk   (I wish online like Slax, but offline as well) way of creating an installer for an ubuntu release
[21:32] <Bloathi> So, E17 / Qt / pure CLI / online only.
[21:32] <Bloathi> or X11  / non-cairo libs
[21:33] <Bloathi> I wasn't sure if there was a generator of sorts to create an on-the-fly .sh for such a thing.
[21:33] <teddyp1cker> anyone nows qt-based stereomood client?
[21:38] <teddyp1cker> ping
[22:23] <dahlia> hi, I'm running 11.10 and I did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and now it shows my display in a low resolution and when I try to run the nvidia panel it says my x server is not using the nvidia driver. I run aptitude and it thinks the latest nvidia driver is installed. Any suggestions how I can get it working again?
[22:23] <c_smith> Hi, I'm trying to boot into the Kubuntu alternate installer for 12.04.1 on a Lenovo IdeaPad U400 and when I boot into it, I get this messed up screen with whit lines across it, what can I do to fix this so it boots?
[22:24] <c_smith> right now it seems to boot, but I can't see anything.
[22:24] <c_smith> it has a muxless Intal/ATI GPU combo
[22:37] <dahlia> ok I got it to work by uninstalling and then reinstalling the nvidia driver and then rebooting


[13:37] <esv> hey folks, I don't believe the user module includes a way to specify the desired userid of the admin/default user, is there ?
[13:39] <falcojr> esv: I think only if you override the default user with your own definition
[13:40] <minimal> yeah, have "users:\n- default\n- <their name>\n  uid: 1234\n"
[13:40] <esv> I am looking at the docs, I don't see a uid field.
[13:41] <minimal> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/modules.html#users-and-groups
[13:42] <minimal> "uid: (integer/string) The user’s ID. Default is next available value.."
[13:43] <falcojr> minimal: your snippet will work for normal users, but not the default user, right? For the default user I think don't include '- default' and manually create the user
[13:44] <esv> I did not see the uid field in this page, https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/examples.html , I guess the one you pointed is more relevant
[13:44] <minimal> falcojr: I do something similar to that when I want to override some settings for the default user. Perhaps it doesn't work for a fields?
[13:44] <minimal> esv: look at the link I posted
[13:44] <minimal> the examples page does not necessarily give examples of everything
[13:44] <esv> yep
[13:44] <esv> thnx
[13:46] <minimal> falcojr: e.g. I use that method to set the ssh_authorized_keys value for the default account
[13:47] <falcojr> minimal: the default account being the one created by cloud-init? Not "your" default?
[13:48] <minimal> falcojr: yes
[13:50] <minimal> I guess it depends on how exactly this is handled, is the default user settings (from /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg) merged with the user-data values (I think) so before account creation
[13:50] <minimal> as the docs say "Most of these configuration options will not be honoured if the user already exists."
[13:51] <falcojr> gotcha, yeah that makes sense
[13:52] <minimal> so on Alpine Linux, where "alpine" is the default this works fine:
[13:52] <minimal> users:
[13:52] <minimal>   - default
[13:52] <minimal>   - name: alpine
[13:52] <minimal>     ssh_authorized_keys:
[13:52] <minimal>       - >
[13:52] <minimal>         ssh-ed25519
[13:52] <minimal>         ......
[13:55] <esv> I'm trying to modify the uid of the default user :D
[13:55] <minimal> esv: yeah, I was just giving falcojr a general example of what works for me
[14:15] <meena> while waiting for some hardware to magically drop in front of me, I've been trying to get FreeBSD to work on LXD, so it could be integrated into tests at some point
[14:17] <meena> i got it to boot, https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/664 but the performance is abysmal, thanks to a virtio random bug, so I've been stuck in kgdb for two days
[14:17] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 664 in freebsd/freebsd-src "apic: prevent divide by zero in CPU frequency init" [Closed]
[14:20] <minimal> meena: a random bug with random? ;-)
[14:33] <meena> minimal: it's been a while that I've been this deep a rabbit hole filled with yaks that all need shaving
[14:56] <caribou> hello holmanb, first of all, thanks for your quick first pass on of https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2033
[14:56] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2033 in canonical/cloud-init "Adapt DataSourceScaleway to IPv6" [Open]
[14:56] <caribou> I've made sensible modifications following your suggestions/comments
[14:57] <holmanb> caribou: welcome :)
[14:58] <holmanb> caribou: I'll try to give it another review today
[14:59] <caribou> you were right that using url_helper.wait_on_url() makes things sensibly simpler
[15:00] <holmanb> glad to hear it
[21:24] <dbungert> what would be the expected interaction if kernel command line had both cloud-config-url and ds arguments?
[21:58] <blackboxsw> dbungert: hadn't thought about it, but looks like cloud-init writes out custom config file to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/91_kernel_cmdline_url.cfg https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/cmd/main.py#L298
[21:58] <blackboxsw> since files on the system override config from the datasource, I think cmdilne config wins if any config keys conflict... but I'll have to check how that's merged
[22:00] <blackboxsw> and given that the /proc/cmdline  read is done before init.read_cfg() is called, the datasource detected would be able to see the config from disk during its initialization


[00:31] <cmaloney> IT's late enough that I've moved to wine. :)
[00:31] <cmaloney> Finishing off the remnants of a Pinot Grigio
[00:31] <cmaloney> and reminding myself that the only white wines I really like are Chardonnays, Reislings, and Piesporters
[00:33] <cmaloney> And Ice Wine / White Port
[00:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, I don't recommend the Leopold keyboards anymore because I've had to send mine in for service a few times
[00:34] <cmaloney> they get chattery
[00:45] <jrwren> i haven't had a peisporter in a long time.
[01:38] <gamerchick02> yay wine, keyboards, and coffee
[01:55] <cmaloney> We'll be starting in 5 minutes
[01:56] <gamerchick02> yay!
[02:01] <cmaloney> Hello everyone
[02:01] <cmaloney> First off: I really hate that lady who has to let everyone know that she likes Masterpiece.
[02:01] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/913/detail/
[02:01] <cmaloney> Can I get a quick show of hands for everyone who is here?
[02:02] <gamerchick02> i'm here. and Downton is on in the background
[02:02] <cmaloney> Figured as much
[02:03] <gamerchick02> are you referring to me as the "lady who let's everyone know that she likes Masterpiece"?
[02:03] <gamerchick02> :-P
[02:03] <cmaloney> No, I mean the lady  that has to show up on every fucking Masterpiece thing
[02:03]  * waldo323 shows hands
[02:04] <gamerchick02> OH the Darlene Shiely or whatever her name is?
[02:04] <gamerchick02> howdy waldo323
[02:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, whatever she is.
[02:05] <cmaloney> Anywho. we only have a few things to cover.
[02:05] <cmaloney> Namely 1) Penguicon and the Release Party
[02:05] <gamerchick02> ok
[02:06] <cmaloney> I've contacted the Penguicon Tech Track to see if we need to get anything special from the Hotel Liaison
[02:06] <cmaloney> So that should be underway
[02:06] <gamerchick02> awesome.
[02:07] <waldo323> more signage for the event would be helpful
[02:08] <cmaloney> Pfft
[02:08] <cmaloney> ;)
[02:08] <gamerchick02> signs are always a good idea
[02:09] <cmaloney> That might be helpful though folks do tend to find us.
[02:11] <cmaloney> Anywho, that's coming up
[02:11] <cmaloney> so please keep that on your calendar
[02:11] <cmaloney> Once we have confirmation I'll put it up in the upcoming events.
[02:15] <cmaloney> Next up: Apparently there's an Ubuntu Online Summit in May
[02:15] <cmaloney> May 5-7
[02:15] <cmaloney> Drop that on your calendars and participate accordingly
[02:16] <cmaloney> That's all I have for now. :)
[02:16] <cmaloney> Anything else?
[02:18] <gamerchick02> i've got nothing
[02:18] <waldo323> Ditto
[02:18] <gamerchick02> unless anyone has a recommendation for an 11-13 inch cheap laptop that will work with ubuntu
[02:22] <cmaloney> OK, we'll call the meeting over then. Thank you everyone!
[02:23] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: selling my xps 13 developer edition :) came with ubuntu on it.
[02:23] <gamerchick02> for real?
[02:23] <gamerchick02> wow. how much do you want for it?
[02:24] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: yea, went back to thinkpad with the new X1, have a few power cords for it and such
[02:24] <gamerchick02> does it require special drivers?
[02:24] <gamerchick02> or is everything in the kernal?
[02:24] <rick_h_> $650, got it in june
[02:24] <rick_h_> so I reinstalled with 14.10 and didn't have to add anything
[02:25] <gamerchick02> you, me, and jrwren should meet somewhere and exchange tech.
[02:25] <gamerchick02> wow that's new then! i thought it was one of the older ones, when they started the dev editions
[02:25] <rick_h_> CHC every wed night :)
[02:25] <rick_h_> no, it was a second or third gen developer edition
[02:25] <gamerchick02> :-D
[02:25] <rick_h_> high res with teh touch screen and ssd and such
[02:25] <gamerchick02> nice, so they ironed out a lot of the issues
[02:25] <gamerchick02> OMG
[02:25] <rick_h_> just not a thinkpad
[02:26] <gamerchick02> how's the battery?
[02:26] <rick_h_> so it's just been sittingon the shelf the last month
[02:26] <gamerchick02> yeah
[02:26] <rick_h_> it was good, I don't run the normal unity/etc so I have to manually do the battery power mgt, think I would get 4-6hrs depending
[02:27] <gamerchick02> oooo
[02:27] <gamerchick02> if i ran unity, i'd probably get about the same or slightly less?
[02:27] <rick_h_> I think more
[02:27] <rick_h_> because it auto dims the screen and such
[02:27] <rick_h_> where I have a shell script I use to put thing in lower power states/etc
[02:27] <rick_h_> and don't always run that script/etc
[02:28] <gamerchick02> wow nice ok.
[02:28] <gamerchick02> cool
[02:28] <rick_h_> but you can try it out and see
[02:29] <gamerchick02> no UFEI and crap to mess with then
[02:30] <rick_h_> it's got the modern boot loader stuff but it works.
[02:30]  * rick_h_ isn't up on UFEI sucky stuff?
[02:30] <gamerchick02> ok. so if i go clean install everything will work straight away and i won't have to muck with wifi.
[02:30] <gamerchick02> that's what i'm mostly worried about
[02:30] <rick_h_> yep
[02:30] <gamerchick02> and UFEI is a HUGE pita
[02:30] <gamerchick02> from what i've read
[02:31] <gamerchick02> so let's see, i'd have the mac, the windows desktop, and this if i get one. hah
[02:31] <rick_h_> well it's the developer edition so came with ubuntu
[02:31] <gamerchick02> i've got a decent refund coming back so i'd be able to get it (i'd be able to get it anyway but something that i don't have to screw with is +1)
[02:31]  * rick_h_ types on his system76 desktop, looks to his left at his air for photos, and back to his X1 for work laptop use, then up at the 5 intel nucs, and wonders where that old x230 went off to lol
[02:32] <rick_h_> cool, let me know and happy to bring it out to CHC and make sure it's got a clean install on it.
[02:32] <rick_h_> comes with bonus bookie sticker lol
[02:32] <gamerchick02> LOL rick_h_ you are hilarious!
[02:33] <gamerchick02> i have a chromebook but i'm trying to dump that off on a friend because it's just what she needs.
[02:33] <gamerchick02> unless someone in here wants a chromebook to muck about with?
[02:38] <gamerchick02> we'll see how i feel on wednesday. like i said earlier, i've been insanely exhausted after work lately and i've been going to bed like at 10 on the dot lately.
[02:41] <gamerchick02> ok thank you for the information. i'm going to watch a bit more of downton and go to bed. work tomorrow, blergh. see everyone later!
[14:41] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:41] <rick_h_> party
[14:41] <cmaloney> woo woo
[15:21] <_stink_> yep
[16:14] <greg-g> I hate going back to work on a Monday after a weekend mostly dominated by a migraine and it's after effects
[16:14] <cmaloney> Ugh
[16:14] <greg-g> weekend? what weekend?
[16:26] <rick_h_> greg-g: :(
[16:28] <cmaloney> PyOhio was announced
[16:28] <cmaloney> Hotel: acquired.
[21:03] <dzho> any of y'all planning to go to libreplanet?
[21:04] <cmaloney> No current plans
[21:04] <cmaloney> you?
[21:04] <rick_h_> never heard of it
[21:12] <greg-g> I have a few friends going
[21:12] <greg-g> I'm not though
[21:12] <greg-g> joey hess, for one
[21:12] <dzho> I'm scheming on if and when and how to go
[21:15] <greg-g> it's a good event, from what I've heard (never been)
[21:18] <dzho> no pun intended
[21:55] <cmaloney> model.app.last_ruin <- pretty sure this isn't the model's file. ;)
[21:57] <gamerchick02> probably not!
[22:08] <gamerchick02> hey rick_h_ thanks for answering my questions about the XPS today on hangouts. i was typing on my phone so that's why i was slow. :)
[22:08]  * cmaloney is listening to Pop Will Eat Itself - PWEI Is A Four Letter Word
[22:09] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: np, sorry I was curt with replies, was on a conference call at the moment
[22:09] <gamerchick02> oh no i'm sorry i was interrupting you!
[22:09] <gamerchick02> i figured you were busy
[22:09] <rick_h_> yea, fire after fire wheeeee
[22:09] <gamerchick02> sounds like my job! i'm trying to keep the fires to a minimum.
[22:10] <cmaloney> And the sad realization that this album is old enough to drink.
[22:10] <gamerchick02> what draws you to the thinkpad instead of the Dell?
[22:10] <gamerchick02> lol cmaloney
[22:10] <cmaloney> and is ineligible to stay on its parent's insurance
[22:10] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: me?
[22:10] <gamerchick02> so it's 26?
[22:10] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: yep
[22:10] <gamerchick02> yeah
[22:10] <rick_h_> the trackpoint, I just can't seem to like touchpads.
[22:10] <gamerchick02> oh! ok.
[22:10] <rick_h_> on the air, the dell, anything
[22:11] <rick_h_> so back to a trackpoint for me is <3
[22:11] <gamerchick02> wow one feature that is on the thinkpad. hah. i have a trackpoint thingo on my Zbook but i never use it
[22:11] <gamerchick02> (for work)
[22:11] <gamerchick02> i'd never buy a Zbook for myself.
[22:11] <cmaloney> Zareason?
[22:11] <gamerchick02> HP CAD laptop
[22:12] <gamerchick02> tis a beast
[22:12] <gamerchick02> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/zbook-15.html
[22:13] <gamerchick02> i've got the G2 version... the one with the nVidia graphics card
[22:13] <cmaloney> nice
[22:13] <gamerchick02> it's HEAVY
[22:13] <gamerchick02> 6 pounds and the charger is at least 2-3 pounds
[22:15] <gamerchick02> i carry it in this: http://www.everki.com/products1/backpacks/glide-laptop-backpack-fits-up-to-17-3-detail
[22:23] <jrwren> when people mark bugs as invalid, do they realize how infuriating it is?
[22:23] <gamerchick02> probably not. or maybe they do and just want to piss off the devs.
[22:23] <jrwren> you mean piss of the users.
[22:23] <jrwren> the dev marked it invalid.
[22:24] <rick_h_> it's a personal attack upon yourself, you should find out where he lives and take out attack ads on facebook and reddit
[22:24] <jrwren> lol.
[22:25] <jrwren> doxx and swat 'em.  Nah, not my style.
[22:25] <jrwren> Fork and move on is my style, and I'd normally trash the project to anyone who will listen... but when the project is ubuntu... :(
[22:25] <jrwren> might be MOTU, not sure.
[22:26] <cmaloney> jrwren: You should stop reporting invalid bugs. ;)
[22:26] <cmaloney> (yes, that's one of my pet peeves)
[22:26] <cmaloney> (along with "This bug is over XX days old and will be automatically closed")
[22:27] <gamerchick02> the dev marked it invalid? ugh.
[22:28] <gamerchick02> what about going "hrm, this might be related to this OTHER thing" and then link the two?
[22:35]  * jrwren says in his lamest squeeky nerd voice "its not an invalid bug. its real!"
[22:36] <gamerchick02> of course it's real. they wouldn't have reported it if it wasn't!
[22:36] <jrwren> I reported it.
[22:36] <jrwren> hence the rage.
[22:36] <gamerchick02> yes
[23:11] <gamerchick02> who here uses Hadoop? there's a 50% off on it for oreilly.
[23:11] <gamerchick02> eee it's apache
[23:13] <greg-g> we (WMF) have a hadoop cluster
[23:13] <greg-g> our analytics team uses it
[23:13] <gamerchick02> it's the deal of the day
[23:13] <gamerchick02> down to 21.49
[23:14] <gamerchick02> who came up with "hadoop"? sounds like something someone uttered when they tripped over the server and unplugged it.
[23:15] <gamerchick02> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920033448.do?code=DEAL&imm_mid=0cdbb3&cmp=em-data-books-videos-product-dod_hadoop_the_definitive_guide_deal use code DEAL
[23:15] <greg-g> Hadoop was created by Doug Cutting and Mike Cafarella[12] in 2005. Cutting, who was working at Yahoo! at the time,[13] named it after his son's toy elephant.[14]
[23:15] <greg-g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Hadoop
[23:15] <gamerchick02> ah.
[23:16] <gamerchick02> thank ya. interesting
[23:17] <gamerchick02> but yes that book might come in handy. feel free to snag and buy and use the coupon code
[23:29] <gamerchick02_pho> Hey my phone works!
[23:30] <gamerchick02> LOL it looks like i'm eating pho on my phone
[23:30] <gamerchick02> i'll fix that
[23:36] <GC02_phone> Androirc is kinda nice!
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> i like androirc
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> but i don't like having to connect every time
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> i want to be able to see backlog and stuff
[23:46] <rick_h_> juicessh to irssi running on a server ftw :)
[23:46] <mrgoodcat> thats what i do :)
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> or you can set up an irc proxy that saves backlog for you and sends it when you connect
[23:47] <mrgoodcat> but that's suboptimal
[23:55] <GC02_phone> True.
[23:55] <rick_h_> False
[23:55] <GC02_phone> I guess I could just let it fun all the time..
[23:56] <GC02_phone> Run. See,  now you get to see what a terrible phone typist I am.
[23:56] <rick_h_> heh, I don't irc on the phone.


[14:25] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[20:20] <liushuyu> Hi, can someone help me re-try some autopkgtests? The links follow:
[20:20] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=meson&trigger=rustc/1.67.1%2Bdfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2
[20:20] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=s390x&package=meson&trigger=rustc/1.67.1%2Bdfsg0ubuntu1-0ubuntu2
[20:20] <liushuyu> -- end of links. Thank you!
[20:35] <jbicha> liushuyu: no, those tests are always failing, but someone else did a migration-reference/0 test which should allow your package to no longer be blocked by autopkgtest failures there
[20:35] <jbicha> see https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/meson/lunar/s390x
[20:36] <jbicha> looks like you're good now on those architectures: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#rustc
[20:38] <jbicha> ubuntu-archive: can you ignore meson/blacklisted armhf autopkgtest failures?
[21:01] <vorlon> jbicha: no but you can ask the release team
[21:06] <liushuyu> jbicha: Thank you! Although I think the release team may need to give an explanation on why meson/armhf is blacklisted
[21:07] <bdmurray> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1032168
[21:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1032168 in src:meson "meson: autopkgtest fills disk completely" [Serious, Open]
[21:08] <bdmurray> liushuyu: ^
[21:08] <liushuyu> bdmurray: Wow. Okay, I guess the tests generated a huge amount of files
[21:10] <bdmurray> liushuyu: there was also a comment (albeit not great) in the never_run file https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-package-configs/commit/?id=76f78dfbef28e07d09b729c006e806b2886722e1
[21:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Commit 76f78df in ~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-package-configs "Wow - now meson is an issue on armhf"
[21:12] <liushuyu> bdmurray: Wow - now your commit message is very stylish. Anyways, I can investigate this if you want, I have an arm64 devices at hand (which can run armhf binaries, unlike some newer CPUs)
[21:13] <bdmurray> Well the debian bug report which I only skimmed leads me to believe it is fixed so checking on the status of meson there vs in Ubuntu and removing the never_run entry at an appropriate time would be good next steps.
[21:14] <liushuyu> bdmurray: sounds reasonable


[00:00] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, What's the point of line 766, catfish/CatfishWindow.py ?
[00:05] <PhilDick> you were saying about ...
[00:11] <skellat> PhilDick: The jump from LTS to another version can get exciting
[00:12] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: p = subprocess.Popen(command, shell=False)?
[00:12] <skellat> For any other version we advise a chain of upgrades and not making a giant leap
[00:13] <skellat> With the HWE point releases out there and the variety of install media, it is going to be interesting to see if we can assure the LTS to LTS upgrade leap
[00:13] <skellat> Some of the issues thrown in the description look a bit odd
[00:14] <skellat> Hopefully it is just nothing
[00:14] <skellat> But, I'll likely be watching that session closely
[00:16] <PhilDick> Ah... maybe I can help with that testing... but maybe I'd be wiser to install Xubuntu 14.04LTS fresh...
[00:16] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, You ever use p again
[00:17] <Noskcaj> Or have i missed something
[00:17] <bluesabre> oh
[00:17] <bluesabre> I guess not
[00:18] <bluesabre> p is the process, but since it starts it and moves on, we don't need to store it.
[00:18] <skellat> PhilDick: It'll be one of the great questions we won't know an answer to until next April
[00:22] <PhilDick> I've moved to Xubuntu and LTS's only... I guess I'm not as daring as I used to be... or don't have as much spare time ;)
[01:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Is there any reason catfish_lib/__init__.py imports stuff?
[02:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, My current branch fixes all but 5 warnings (excluding the build.py). http://paste.ubuntu.com/6350485/
[02:09] <ali1234> yay, finally some movement on the dbusmenu bug :)
[03:17] <ali1234> merge proposal sent
[13:08] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, I added a bullet to the Preferences section to point out the location of the auto-saved playlist: http://imagebin.org/275630
[13:08] <jjfrv8> Is that location okay? And did you want to say anything more, like why one might want to find this file?
[13:37] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: that seems like a good location. Some users have asked where it is in the past, so it seems like something people might want to know
[13:38] <jjfrv8> cool, thanks.
[13:40] <jjfrv8> ochosi, since the Preferences page has been updated, I guess you'll need to copy that again to xfce.docs
[13:41] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I'm working on Usage today and should have slickymaster's work moved over and some more items of mine done...
[13:42] <jjfrv8> so that might be good enough to copy over later as well
[13:43] <elfy> that's looking awesome :)
[13:43] <elfy> as much as I hate that word ;)
[13:44] <jjfrv8> elfy, glad you think so :)
[13:45] <elfy> :)
[14:03] <ochosi> jjfrv8: sounds good, i'll do that late in the evening ~22utc
[14:04] <ochosi> jjfrv8: just ping me with the pages that are ready/updated when you're done and i'll take care of it
[14:05] <jjfrv8> ochosi, will do
[14:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: guess we should include somewhere that the docs are only for parole>=0.6, what do you think?
[14:05] <brainwash> ochosi: just noticed that and didn't check the code yet, does the lightdm gtk greeter first show the background specified in the conf file and then immediately replaces it with the user one?
[14:09] <ochosi> brainwash: sorry, i'm on the train, very spotty coverage
[14:09] <ochosi> let's postpone an meaningful conversation ;)
[14:09] <ochosi> s/an/any/
[14:13] <brainwash> ochosi: sure
[15:35] <jjfrv8> ochosi, the Usage and Preferences pages are ready for you to copy over.
[15:36] <jjfrv8> The remaining sections that are missing from Usage are DVD and Video. I may start on them today, but they won't be ready before EOD.
[15:38] <jjfrv8> I'll work on them in the playground and won't bring them over until they're ready.
[15:46] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, there's a lot of backlog to read from yesterday about the Parole docs, and I'm not sure if you'll see that before this...
[15:47] <jjfrv8> but I just wanted to give you the heads up that I moved your sections over to the main Usage page so ochosi could copy them to the production xfce.docs
[15:48] <jjfrv8> if you need to edit them, make sure you work on the real Usage section and not on the playground version anymore.
[15:49] <jjfrv8> bbl
[16:19] <bluesabre> ochosi: isn't that understood with upstream documentation?
[16:20] <bluesabre> "The manuals on this website are written for the latest stable release of the module. At this moment this means the manuals apply to Xfce 4.8 and 4.10. "
[16:20] <bluesabre> so I guess once xfce 4.12 is released, I guess thats fair
[17:14] <ali1234> ochosi: bug 1239710 seems to fix the bug where the datetime doesn't appear on first boot
[18:06] <brainwash> ochosi: the greeter does set the background according to the config file first, and then applies the user background if available
[18:12] <brainwash> ochosi: so if we can improve the greeter -> desktop transition (I lost the motivation to understand the X client/server error triggered by xfdesktop when xwfm4 is cloning the root background), we should also fix the greeter to not set the background twice (config and user one)
[18:15] <brainwash> or am I the only one who dislikes even the smallest screen flicker? :)
[18:20] <elfy> I don't like flicker but find I notice that sort of thing less and less
[18:44] <tolga> sa
[18:50] <Noskcaj> hey tolga
[18:51] <tolga> i don't speak english. some
[18:51] <tolga> :/
[18:51] <tolga> Noskcaj
[18:52] <Noskcaj> tolga, There should be an irc channel for whatever language you speak
[18:53] <tolga> they are not online
[18:54] <tolga> i look list of channel but not turkish channel
[18:54] <Noskcaj> oh
[18:55] <elfy> tolga: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-tr/
[18:57] <tolga> thanks elfy, I'm joined #ubuntu-tr
[18:57] <elfy> ok
[20:52] <micahg> knome: I might be in transit at 22:00, I should be around shortly thereafter
[21:10] <micahg> knome: I'm looking at 22:30 right now for approximate meeting time
[21:10]  * micahg is away now
[21:15] <Noskcaj> I might be able to make some of the meeting, depends on what class i have first
[21:53] <knome> micahg, yup, i'm here
[21:53] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre, Unit193? :)
[21:55]  * skellat can observe but is trying to get scripts written for two podcasts that have to be recorded tonight
[21:56]  * elfy is lurking with his 'oh no - that's not much time for me' head on :)
[21:58] <knome> m-hm
[21:59] <bluesabre> knome?
[21:59] <bluesabre> I'm early!
[21:59] <bluesabre> :D
[21:59] <knome> hehe!
[21:59] <knome> yeah... we might need to wait for a bit to get micah around
[21:59] <knome> but that's okay
[21:59] <knome> (at least for me)
[21:59] <bluesabre> no hurry here
[21:59] <bluesabre> I was just playing super mario galaxy 2
[21:59] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[21:59] <knome> lol
[22:00] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[22:00] <knome> and yep, hi elfy and skellat
[22:02] <brainwash> a meeting now?
[22:02] <knome> brainwash, yep.
[22:02] <knome> well, in some time.
[22:03] <elfy> brainwash: not a normal one - an extra :)
[22:03] <brainwash> unusual time
[22:03] <knome> brainwash, yes, was announced in the meeting minutes and is mentioned in the meetings wikipage since thu though
[22:04] <brainwash> ok
[22:04] <Noskcaj-school> What did i miss?
[22:04] <elfy> brainwash: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-10-31-15.14.log.html#l-105
[22:04] <elfy> Noskcaj-school: nothing - waiting for people
[22:04] <knome> Noskcaj-school, nothing, we're still waiting for micah
[22:05] <Noskcaj-school> ok
[22:05] <knome> oho, elfy beat me in speed
[22:05] <knome> i must be getting old
[22:05] <elfy> not happening often ... wait for 2015 for next one
[22:05] <brainwash> wait.. what?! you consider dropping the bottom panel? :(
[22:05] <elfy> knome: and you'd have to hurry to catch me up :)
[22:05] <elfy> brainwash: yep
[22:05] <knome> elfy, hehe
[22:06] <Noskcaj-school> brainwash: no one uses the bottom panel
[22:07] <pleia2> oh hi
[22:07] <brainwash> I do, on my test installation
[22:07] <elfy> pleia2: hi
[22:10] <bluesabre> hey pleia2!
[22:12] <ochosi> ot'll take me like 10 more mins to get home
[22:12] <ochosi> was travelling the whole day
[22:12] <elfy> bluesabre: I can see you on the forum ...
[22:12] <ochosi> almost there now
[22:12] <knome> ochosi, sure, in line with micah's schedule ;)
[22:12] <bluesabre> elfy, indeed
[22:12] <knome> ochosi, so don't hurry too much, just take your time
[22:13] <elfy> ochosi: a lot of travel
[22:13] <Noskcaj-school> bluesabre: While you're here, do you think you could fix the last 5 pep8 issues in catfish? i left them since they actually affect the code
[22:13] <bluesabre> l
[22:13] <ochosi> knome: thanks, not eaSy to walk and tpye
[22:13] <knome> ochosi, i see
[22:13] <bluesabre> Hey Noskcaj-school
[22:13] <ochosi> as you can read :)
[22:13] <knome> no typos though1
[22:13] <knome> except from my side
[22:13] <knome> but i'm not walking
[22:13] <bluesabre> what are the last pep8 issues, or is there a way to verify that automatically?
[22:14] <ochosi> k, see you in abitÃ¤
[22:14] <knome> :)
[22:17] <Noskcaj-school> bluesabre: sudo apt-get install pep8, then pep8 */*.py in the main directory
[22:17] <elfy> bluesabre: http://tinyurl.com/qymdz7d
[22:18] <bluesabre> thanks elfy!
[22:18] <elfy> welcome :)
[22:21] <ochosi> right, well i'm here reading now
[22:21] <knome> yep
[22:21] <knome> welcome
[22:21] <knome> still waiting
[22:21] <ochosi> so what's up with evryone else?
[22:22] <pleia2> I'm in hong kong :)
[22:23] <bluesabre> :O
[22:23] <knome> i'm king kong
[22:23] <elfy> well I wasn't expecting you to say that pleia2
[22:23] <bluesabre> s/king/donkey
[22:23] <Noskcaj-school> I'm in science class
[22:23] <pleia2> elfy: haha
[22:23] <pleia2> elfy: got your friend sorted with etherpad
[22:23] <elfy> oh cool - thanks
[22:23] <ochosi> i just travelled back to my home country, it's getting *late* here :)
[22:23] <elfy> pleia2: that e-mail completely confused me to start with
[22:24] <knome> ochosi, home as in austria or italy?
[22:24] <knome> bluesabre, heh
[22:24] <ochosi> .at
[22:24] <knome> cool
[22:24] <knome> you still have your flat there, or did you give it away?
[22:24] <ochosi> same tz anyway
[22:25] <ochosi> atill have a couch..
[22:25] <knome> lol
[22:25] <knome> in the same flat?
[22:25] <knome> :P
[22:25] <ochosi> yeah
[22:26] <knome> that's nice then
[22:26] <ochosi> well...
[22:26] <knome> isn't?
[22:26] <ochosi> it's fine, it just doesnt feel like the same, obviously
[22:27] <knome> sure
[22:38] <micahg-work> sorry for the delay
[22:38] <knome> that's okay
[22:38] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: ping
[22:38] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu meeting: Xfce 4.11 components in 14.04 and more
[22:38] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Nov  3 22:39:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:39] <Noskcaj-school> whiskermenu 1.2 has just been released, it will be ready for upload this week.
[22:39] <knome> #topic Cherry-picking Xfce 4.11 components
[22:40] <ochosi> ok
[22:40] <knome> so,
[22:40] <ochosi> just arrived
[22:40] <knome> let me start with what i think
[22:40] <knome> we should keep the 4.11 components we have in 13.10
[22:41] <ochosi> ping eric_the_idiot
[22:41] <knome> in addition, we should drop the gtk3 indicators patch into 14.04
[22:41] <ochosi> +1
[22:41] <eric_the_idiot> ochosi, pong
[22:41] <knome> as well as the new xfdesktop features
[22:41] <Noskcaj-school> +1, but try and backport some of the patches from settings 4.11.1
[22:42] <Noskcaj-school> Nearlky everything else needs the new xfce4ui
[22:42] <Noskcaj-school> *nearly
[22:42] <knome> we can discuss backporting/SRUing gtk3 indicators to 13.10, but that's not a high-priority, i would say medium
[22:42] <micahg-work> +1
[22:42] <micahg-work> to knome
[22:42] <knome> the reason why i additionally want the xfdesktop features in is that they will make it easier for the user to control their wallpapers
[22:43] <knome> 1) they allow setting a specific dir to look for wallpapers instead of the system-wide one
[22:43] <micahg-work> we already have that though, right?  I wasn't talking about going backwards
[22:43] <ochosi> yeah, and it goes hand-in-hand with the new display-dialog (helps ppl to set their wallpapers per display)
[22:43] <knome> no, i don't think we have that
[22:43] <ochosi> yeah, we don't
[22:43] <knome> so the new-new thing for 14.04 would be: gtk3 indicators and new xfdesktop release
[22:44] <knome> and i will personally promise i will organize enough testing for them
[22:44] <elfy> read that ;)
[22:44] <knome> if not else, i'll make my mum test it.
[22:44] <skellat> If we can squash LP Bug 1208204 via backports that may help with perception issues we have about 13.10
[22:44] <skellat> Which would require the GTK3 things
[22:45] <micahg-work> well, as long as xfdesktop doesn't risk LTS -> LTS upgrades or has major dependencies, I'm fine with that
[22:45] <ochosi> skellat: yeah, or some less intrusive fix, not sure whether it's possible. ali1234?
[22:45] <brainwash> the uproar about the broken sound indicator is now almost gone anyway :)
[22:45] <knome> micahg-work, as ochosi said, xfdesktop should take care of the migration itself
[22:45] <ochosi> eric_the_idiot: any upgrade issues you can see?
[22:45] <micahg-work> well, at the very least, we can throw it in backports
[22:45] <micahg-work> if there's demand (GTK3 indicators)
[22:46] <Noskcaj-school> xfwm might be worth investigating, vsync is a good thing to have. But i'm not sure how stable it is
[22:46] <micahg-work> I just need the testing
[22:46] <brainwash> what about the new xfwm4 release with vsync support?
[22:46] <brainwash> Noskcaj-school: :D
[22:46] <knome> the focues should be getting 14.04 in a *good* shape
[22:46] <Noskcaj-school> :)
[22:46] <ochosi> brainwash: that's the same with every release, that's one reason why you get more relaxed with each release...
[22:46] <knome> and with that, telling people to try to get along until that is released...
[22:46] <ochosi> knome: +1
[22:47] <knome> we can of course write a blog article with updates on the most irritating bugs
[22:47] <knome> and their workarounds
[22:47] <knome> and if we have time, backports
[22:47] <ochosi> let's hope not too many...
[22:47] <bluesabre> im back
[22:47] <ochosi> wb bluesabre
[22:47] <knome> ochosi, i'm referring to things we already know, pretty much the release notes mentioned bugs
[22:48] <knome> there hasn't been too many new things after that
[22:48] <ochosi> knome: yeah, we should knock those down. i'll mention one more thing that's looming ahead a bit later...
[22:48] <knome> go ahead
[22:48] <micahg-work> I'd be for backporting 4.12 to trusty-backports assuming we can get sufficient reverse dependency testing
[22:50] <knome> yes, considering 4.12 is released during the trusty support period...
[22:50] <ochosi> well the logind transition leaves us with a borked xfce4-powerman
[22:50] <knome> bah..
[22:50] <micahg-work> haha
[22:50] <knome> okay, that's stupid.
[22:50] <skellat> And Lennart Poettering is talking about breaking logind again
[22:50] <knome> we should fix that.
[22:50] <ochosi> xfce4-powerman doesn't support logind at all
[22:50] <micahg-work> ochosi, we can hopefully come up with a patch for that
[22:50] <ochosi> micahg-work: "we" = who?
[22:50] <knome> let me do some #infos
[22:51] <micahg-work> someone should be able to
[22:51] <brainwash> bug 1222021
[22:51] <micahg-work> well, is upstream planning to solve that?
[22:51] <ochosi> yeah, the open question is *who*
[22:51] <skellat> Is there a way to get rid of logind as a dependency for us in the mix?
[22:51] <ochosi> not in time for 14.04 i think
[22:51] <knome> #info New Xfce 4.11 features to be dropped into 14.04: GTK3 indicator support, new xfdesktop release
[22:52] <micahg-work> I think we'd be better off writing the patch...
[22:52] <brainwash> the patch does already exist
[22:52] <micahg-work> a working one?
[22:52] <knome> yes, that sounds like a good idea and a justifiable use of time
[22:52] <brainwash> micahg-work: didn't test it yet
[22:53] <micahg-work> well, if it works, let's get upstream to approve it, then we can move forward
[22:53] <knome> #info Xfce 4.12 will be backported to Trusty if enough testing resources are available
[22:53]  * bluesabre equips testing hat
[22:53]  * pleia2 as well
[22:53] <ochosi> micahg-work: the powerman isnt actively developed upstream, not sure we'd get much feedback
[22:53] <ochosi> and systemd is a *hot* topic (as in: flamey)
[22:54] <micahg-work> ochosi, is there a suggested replacement?  is that something we need to either pick up development for or find an alternative?
[22:54] <skellat> ochosi: Mark Shuttleworth and Lennart Poettering have been arguing repeatedly on Google Plus about it
[22:54] <brainwash> there is even a patch for xfce4-powerman to use logind directly instead of upower for suspend/hibernate
[22:54] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9963
[22:54] <knome> #info Xfce power manager doesn't support systemd; we want a patch for that if at all possible
[22:54] <ochosi> skellat: i know
[22:54] <ochosi> skellat: and it doesnt help...
[22:55] <knome> micahg-work, there is always gnome-power-manager, but it isn't too long since we switched away from that...
[22:55] <knome> #nick team
[22:55] <ochosi> micahg-work: no, but i'm just saying looking at how xfce is moving along upstream, i think they'll be cautious about new depends/recommends
[22:55] <knome> #action team to investigate patching xfce4-power-manager or finding alternatives
[22:55] <meetingology> ACTION: team to investigate patching xfce4-power-manager or finding alternatives
[22:56] <ochosi> i think the alternative is an easy UI for systemd/logind
[22:56] <micahg-work> I'm for corsac's suggestion of runtime support for it
[22:56] <ochosi> for what's currently stored in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[22:56] <ochosi> and dropping xfce4-powerman
[22:56] <brainwash> ochosi: why not re-use xfce4-powerman :P
[22:56] <ochosi> and using e.g. indicator-power
[22:56] <ochosi> or some other applet to display battery status
[22:57] <ochosi> brainwash: no reason against that, apart from not having any upstream maintainer/dev
[22:57] <bluesabre> does xfce4-powerman handle screen-blanking, or is that something else?
[22:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: we could always adopt yet another forgotten project :D
[22:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: theoretically yes, but i think xscreensaver does that now
[22:57] <micahg-work> if indicator-power will do what we need, then that's fine, otherwise, maybe we can pick up maintenance of xfce4-powerman together with corsac?  I'd hate to reinvent the wheel
[22:57] <brainwash> it's X, powerman just sets the parameters
[22:57] <bluesabre> but aren't we wanting to move away from xscreensaver?
[22:57] <knome> yes...
[22:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: yes, if we are, then this would be a solution:
[22:58] <knome> i think we should move away from xscreensaver in favor of light-locker
[22:58] <micahg-work> fine by me, should be quite a bit lighter as well
[22:58] <bluesabre> I agree, and I think ubuntu is heading that direction as well based on their interest
[22:58] <brainwash> micahg-work: I think so too, the patches do exist already and could be extended if needed
[22:58] <ochosi> 1) use light-locker 2) use X11's screensaver-extension to blank the screen 3) use a logind/X11-screensaver ext dialog (we'd have to write that) to control it
[22:58] <knome> micahg-work, and it would be a shame to throw out all the work we've done to get to this point!
[22:59] <knome> and yeah, ubuntu wants light-locker as well
[22:59] <ochosi> fwiw, light-locker has already been uploaded to trusty
[22:59] <knome> was micahg CC'd/TO'd in that email?
[22:59] <ochosi> i've talked to the uploader, but it hasn't been decided yet whether it'll be default afaik
[23:00] <knome> ochosi, since they seemed very interested about it, we should try to collaborate with them
[23:00] <ochosi> those processes aren't extremely transparent tbh
[23:00] <ochosi> yeah, i agree
[23:00] <knome> ochosi, or at least try to change information and track the progress
[23:00] <ochosi> we've recently set up a translation portal for light-locker btw ;)
[23:00] <knome> yay
[23:00] <ochosi> i can #info that later if you want
[23:00] <micahg-work> well, if Ubuntu doesn't move to it by default, I don't know that we want to be the pioneers in an LTS
[23:00] <brainwash> the lubuntu guys would love to use light-locker :)
[23:01] <ochosi> hihi
[23:01] <ochosi> evil comment, brainwash
[23:01] <knome> sure, and #info stuff about collaborating too as appropriate
[23:01] <bluesabre> hehe
[23:01] <knome> micahg-work, well, same as with 4.11 components; i'd really like that in and i will organize enough testing.
[23:01] <knome> micahg-work, so please let's move forward with it and only not do it if it looks like it's going to be broken...
[23:01] <ochosi> #info it would be great if users could help wth translations for light-locker here: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/light-locker/
[23:02] <knome> micahg-work, again, it's one of those things that we have prepared almost since the last LTS...
[23:02] <micahg-work> knome, ?  we're responsible for the xfce components in the LTS, so our testing/fixing suffices, I'd rather us not be responsible for light-locker as well if we can avoid it
[23:02] <ochosi> #info for info or assistance on the translations (about 10 strings) or transifex, feel free to ping ochosi on freenode.org
[23:03] <knome> micahg-work, i understand that. and yes, i would like to avoid being responsible for that as well, but i don't think the fear of having to maintain should be the reason keeping us from using it.
[23:03] <micahg-work> oh, I thought light-locker was created by Canonical, if it's an Xfce component, that's fine
[23:03] <ochosi> it's neither
[23:03] <knome> that
[23:03] <knome> but it's something ochosi and bluesabre are familiar with
[23:03] <ochosi> it was created by me and cavalier (an xfce-dev)
[23:04] <micahg-work> oh, then, by all means :)
[23:04] <knome> or at least ochosi :P
[23:04] <knome> great!
[23:04] <micahg-work> is it in Debian yet
[23:04] <ochosi> but canonical are looking into picking it up by default
[23:04] <micahg-work> which would be totally awesome
[23:04] <knome> micahg-work, while we are at that, i want mugshot and menulibre in the seed for 14.04 as well. :)
[23:04] <knome> micahg-work, they are not core components, and they are by bluesabre, who will hopefully have uploading rights by the release of 14.04
[23:05] <ochosi> micahg-work: i haven't done any extra communication on that at all, but from what i read there was a proposal a while ago
[23:05] <bluesabre> I'll get both of those in debian soon
[23:05] <micahg-work> ok, I can't do much for the next 2 weeks, after that, I'll have more time again for Xubuntu
[23:05] <bluesabre> working on the alacarte-replacing rewrite for menulibre
[23:05] <knome> #info Other new components to drop for 14.04: light-locker, MenuLibre, Mugshot
[23:05] <bluesabre> mugshot needs an update and then I'll try to get it in debian again
[23:05] <knome> was that everything that was mentioned?
[23:05] <micahg-work> menulibre should also make us a bit lighter
[23:06] <knome> yep
[23:06] <knome> and mugshot should make us user-friendlier
[23:06] <pleia2> ++
[23:06] <knome> micahg-work, what about python 2/3?
[23:06] <micahg-work> sounds like this'll be an awesome LTS
[23:06] <knome> yes, that's the plan...
[23:06] <knome> that's the evil plan i've been carrying around since 12.10
[23:07] <knome> you never would have guessed that! HA!
[23:07] <micahg-work> knome, it would be nice to move to python3 only, but I"m more concerned about stability than that since we have only 3 years of support
[23:07] <knome> micahg-work, sure, just asking as it was mentioned in the roadmap brainstorming
[23:07] <knome> now that we have a bigger ISO it's not a showkiller.
[23:08] <micahg-work> right
[23:08] <brainwash> bigger ISO... mmh, libreoffice :)
[23:08] <knome> ochosi, did you want to talk about whiskermenu?
[23:08] <micahg-work> noooooooOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:08] <ochosi> yeah, good point
[23:08] <knome> oh btw,
[23:08] <ochosi> whiskermenu would be a nice addon and replacement for our current menu
[23:08] <knome> ubuntu lately changed their system requirements to 1GB of memory
[23:09] <knome> so we are now well under
[23:09] <ochosi> it's really fast and lightweight, i've tested it for a while, it adds search-capability to the menu (sweet!)
[23:09] <ochosi> and it's far more customizable than the integrated menu
[23:09] <knome> how does menulibre work with those menus?
[23:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[23:10] <knome> or, in other words, how useful is menulibre for a user using whiskermenu
[23:10] <bluesabre> same
[23:10] <bluesabre> whiskermenu is a searchable xfce menu
[23:10] <bluesabre> same thing, different interface
[23:10] <knome> okay
[23:10] <bluesabre> so when I fix menulibre, it will work fine with either
[23:10] <ochosi> we could bind it to a kb-shortcut
[23:10] <ochosi> e.g. super+space
[23:10] <ochosi> so users could quickly bring it up to launch apps
[23:11] <brainwash> isn't it alt+esc right now?
[23:11] <ochosi> (just as a more understandable and visually integrated alternative to xfce4-appfinder)
[23:11] <brainwash> ctrl+esc I mean
[23:11] <ochosi> (although appfinder is atm still more powerful with custom commands)
[23:12] <ochosi> brainwash: well, up to us to decide i think, mine was just a suggestion
[23:12] <knome> ochosi, would you be willing to put up some kind of spec for the proposed whiskermenu integration with some highlights and screenshots why it would be so awesome, as well as talking a bit about the panel layout (with possibly a finalish proposal on that), ideally before thursday?
[23:12] <ochosi> knome: in general yes, before thursday is not realistic (PM)
[23:13] <knome> well the deadline for finalizing specs is november 21
[23:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: could you talk to mrpouit and get whiskermenu in the xfce-4.10 and/or xfce-4.12 ppa?
[23:13] <knome> but would be good to have *something* on that before thu, since we're discussing and approving most of the roadmap then
[23:13] <skellat> bluesabre: Is it in on the Debian side?
[23:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think there's already a PPA (give me a sec)
[23:13] <micahg-work> knome, FWIW, I'll talk to barry, if there are plans to drop python2.7 to universe, I'd be much more encouraged to port to python3
[23:14] <knome> micahg-work, oki
[23:14] <knome> #nick micahg
[23:14] <micahg-work> bluesabre, I could probably upload that
[23:14] <bluesabre> skellat, I believe it is in debian now, will check
[23:14] <lderan> woo for pyton 3
[23:14] <lderan> python*
[23:14] <knome> #action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation
[23:14] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation
[23:14] <bluesabre> micahg-work, sweet
[23:14] <micahg-work> bluesabre, remind me in a couple days
[23:14] <bluesabre> will do, thanks micahg-work
[23:15] <skellat> bluesabre: packages.d.o doesn't show it
[23:15] <bluesabre> skellat: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin_1.1.1-1.html
[23:15] <knome> bluesabre, micahg-work: you can do #action items if you want reminders. i'll go through those on thu
[23:15] <bluesabre> its in new
[23:15] <ochosi> knome: there's a really nice blog about it: http://gottcode.wordpress.com/category/open-source/whisker-menu/
[23:15] <ochosi> (by the dev)
[23:15] <pleia2> cool
[23:15] <ochosi> there are screenshots and all the bells and whistles
[23:15] <micahg-work> #action micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs
[23:15] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs
[23:15] <ochosi> thanks micahg-work
[23:16] <ochosi> please check it out folks, it seems like a nice improvement and would justify getting rid of the bottom panel (that no-one seems to use anymore :))
[23:16] <lderan> will do :)
[23:16] <brainwash> the switch to whisker menu feels like copying linux mint xfce edition :P
[23:16] <knome> ochosi, feel free to paste that link to the roadmap page
[23:16] <ochosi> brainwash: well, it was the other way round for a while now, wasn't it ;)
[23:16] <bluesabre> brainwash, but we'll do it better ;)
[23:17] <micahg-work> seems there are about 130 rdepends for python2.7 in main
[23:17] <brainwash> yeah, it will be awesome
[23:18] <elfy>  ochosi - I quote like whiskermenu
[23:19] <knome> so...
[23:19] <knome> do we want to talk about other things that we want to land in 14.04?
[23:19] <ochosi> knome: done
[23:19] <bluesabre> ooh, a new wallpaper!
[23:19] <bluesabre> ;)
[23:19] <knome> or other development-related issues that should be resolved ASAP?
[23:19] <knome> bluesabre, bollocks, we'll use the old one
[23:19] <ochosi> well, folks, help us to find *free* wallpapers
[23:20] <skellat> Eventually there'll be movement on the -core draft seed but nothing tonight
[23:20] <brainwash> we just rotate the current one, just like the ubuntu guys do it
[23:21] <ochosi> or contact the authors of the images of this page and help us get them to change the license: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Raring/Wallpapers
[23:21] <ochosi> they should all be cc-by-sa
[23:21] <ochosi> knome: and i guess we should move that page to trusty... ^
[23:22] <knome> ochosi, rather copy it and add a link to the raring page saying it's postponed
[23:22] <knome> ochosi, i can do that unless you want to do it.
[23:22] <ochosi> knome: no, please do, brb
[23:23] <brainwash> what about xmir? definitively no, right?
[23:23] <skellat> brainwash: We haven't heard of anything new from them and haven't had an intervening UDS yet.
[23:24] <pleia2> I think it's highly unlikely that ubuntu will go with it in an LTS
[23:24] <pleia2> if they try, I think we can do more tests, otherwise push to 14.10
[23:24] <knome> ochosi, moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers
[23:24] <knome> err, copied :P
[23:24] <ochosi> knome: great, #info it? :>
[23:24] <bluesabre> :D
[23:25] <brainwash> right, the development of xmir seems to be rather slow and some things still do not work properly
[23:25] <ochosi> knome: we could also do a call on the ml, but specifically announce that there'll be an internal council that decides on the final selection
[23:25] <pleia2> brainwash: it actually seems fast for me, it's just a HUGE undertaking
[23:25] <knome> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers
[23:25] <ochosi> knome: xubuntu being a do-ocracy and all...
[23:25] <knome> ochosi, yup-di-do
[23:25] <bluesabre> d'oh-ocracy?
[23:26] <Noskcaj-school> :)
[23:26] <bluesabre> :)
[23:26] <knome> #action ochosi announces the community wallpapers project on the mailing list
[23:26] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi announces the community wallpapers project on the mailing list
[23:26] <skellat> brainwash: Never underestimate the possibility of unexpected breakthroughs when you least expect them.  They're trying to supplant over 25 years of technical archaeology so they have a monumental task at hand.
[23:26] <knome> oops, i just wrote in ochosi instead of knome! :)
[23:26] <bluesabre> haha
[23:26] <ochosi> knome: bastard! :)
[23:26] <elfy> :)
[23:26] <bluesabre> not an accident
[23:26]  * ochosi feels tricked
[23:26] <knome> well actually, i'm not a basterd..
[23:26] <knome> :P
[23:26] <lderan> :P
[23:26] <skellat> :-!
[23:27] <bluesabre> :wq!
[23:27] <knome> ochosi, transifex sucks, do i really have to sign up for an account to be able to translate anything? (or in other words, if you send me the .pot-file, i'll reply with a fi.po)
[23:28] <ochosi> knome: transifex.com has a really nice web-interface, but if you prefer, you can also have it your way (email)
[23:28] <knome> i didn't seem to be able to get it delivered
[23:28] <elfy> ochosi: I might be able to get someone to do the Galician translation
[23:28] <ochosi> elfy: great! thanks
[23:28] <knome> or at least i needed to allow loads of JS, and still didn't work...
[23:29] <elfy> ochosi: but they'd not want to be signing up for anything
[23:29] <ochosi> knome: well let's finish the meeting before we talk transifex :)
[23:29] <knome> ochosi, hehe.
[23:29] <knome> so anything else?
[23:29] <knome> micahg-work, you content with everything?
[23:30] <Noskcaj-school> I didn't see any python or whiskermenu stuff, but i assume that's my internet crashing
[23:30] <elfy> Noskcaj-school: yep
[23:30] <knome> Noskcaj-school, micahg-work is looking at python stuff, ochosi does a whiskermenu spec at some point
[23:30] <Noskcaj-school> log reading time
[23:31] <knome> #agreed 14.04 is going to be an awesome and solid LTS!
[23:31] <knome> #endmeeting
[23:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Nov  3 23:32:07 2013 UTC.
[23:31] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-11-03-22.39.moin.txt
[23:31] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-11-03-22.39.html
[23:31] <knome> ta
[23:32] <pleia2> thanks knome
[23:32] <bluesabre> thanks knome!
[23:32]  * knome bows
[23:32] <elfy> thanks all
[23:32] <ochosi> ta
[23:32] <micahg-work> thanks knome
[23:32] <micahg-work> if we need to port to python3, I'll have to brush up on python I suppose
[23:32] <knome> micahg-work, just ask for help; i'm sure at least lderan is willing to help
[23:32] <elfy> I'm off now
[23:32] <ochosi> what's left to port from our default seed and if yes, can we drop it? :D
[23:33] <lderan> \o/ python
[23:33] <knome> some gimp plugins
[23:33] <bluesabre> and I am often around
[23:33] <micahg-work> knome, oh, sure, but I'm going to need to review patches at the very least ;)
[23:33] <elfy> you can't have lderan - I claimed him already :p
[23:33] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks for all your docs-work!! starting the xerox now
[23:33] <elfy> check the m/l ...
[23:33]  * skellat goes back to writing his speaking scripts so that new episodes of "LISTen: An LISNews.org Program" and "Burning Circle" can be recorded tonight
[23:33] <knome> micahg-work, sure. but you can leave the rest of the tasks for others ;)
[23:33] <lderan> elfy,  :P
[23:33] <Noskcaj-school> I'm willing to help port python, and i will have whiskermenu ready today, then it's just waiting for the debian NEW queue
[23:33] <knome> skellat, have fun with that
[23:34] <knome> ochosi, so... transifex.
[23:34] <Noskcaj-school> isn't freenode a .net ?
[23:34] <knome> yes, freenode.net
[23:34] <ochosi> knome: yeah? :)
[23:34] <knome> ochosi, so where do i get the file?
[23:34] <ochosi> it works just fine for me
[23:35] <ochosi> you dont need a file
[23:35] <knome> hmm.
[23:35] <ochosi> or do you really want a .pot file?
[23:35] <ochosi> if you do, you can have it
[23:35] <knome> no, not necessarily
[23:35] <knome> let me fetch a mouse
[23:35] <Noskcaj-school> knome: check the meeting info, it says freenode.org
[23:35] <ochosi> start here: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/light-locker/language/fi/
[23:36] <knome> lderan, ^
[23:36] <ochosi> knome: or to be more exact, here: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/light-locker/language/fi/
[23:36] <ochosi> (for finnish, that is)
[23:36] <lderan> ooo
[23:36] <ochosi> 2/10 translated :)
[23:36] <ochosi> in .fi
[23:37] <ochosi> i don't have much transifex exp yet, so if you hit dead-ends or need admin approval anywhere, lemme know
[23:37] <knome> ochosi, then what.
[23:37] <ochosi> we just set this up a few days ago
[23:37] <knome> ochosi, i click stuff, but nothing shows me strings or allow me to download anything.
[23:37] <ochosi> knome: that page i linked to shows the complete translation interface, i can't help you if you block all the js :]
[23:37] <knome> i have allowed all js, but nothing
[23:38] <bluesabre> actually, whisker menu does not show a traditional menu
[23:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i was wondering about your comment on that
[23:38] <bluesabre> so current menulibre would be pretty sufficient
[23:38] <ochosi> remember my comment from one or two days ago, whining about the current menulibre going to ****
[23:39] <bluesabre> I'd be happy with not having to super rewrite it
[23:40] <bluesabre> knome, go ahead and approve whiskermenu! :D
[23:40] <ochosi> +100
[23:40] <knome> approve where what huh=
[23:40] <bluesabre> just say ye
[23:40] <bluesabre> s
[23:41] <knome> hah.
[23:41] <knome> not yet
[23:41] <knome> i don't personally use *a menu*
[23:42] <ochosi> yeah, the good thing about whiskermenu is that it uses categories
[23:42] <ochosi> and search
[23:42] <ochosi> not a *fixed*, old-school menu
[23:42] <ochosi> that gives lots of headaches and grief when trying to create an editor for it (bluesabre)
[23:42] <knome> :)
[23:42] <bluesabre> or alacarte
[23:42] <bluesabre> which keeps having bugs
[23:42] <ochosi> yeah, headahces, griefs, or alacarte
[23:42] <bluesabre> saying that it doesn't work
[23:43] <ochosi> you can name all those in one breath
[23:43] <ochosi> just a funky sidenote: xfdesktop still has a garcon-based menu (eric_the_idiot)
[23:43] <ochosi> not that you'd have to be able to edit that one
[23:44] <ochosi> but it'd still be there
[23:46] <ElderDryas> FWIW, if one wanted to check out Whiskermenu w/o installing it or using a ppa, grab a copy of the SolydX Live CD (well DVD:)
[23:47] <ochosi> ElderDryas: at least if you consider dl-ing an .iso less effort than adding a PPA ;)
[23:47] <ochosi> (no offense)
[23:48] <ElderDryas> ochosi: I won't have to unstall a ppa when I'm done (no offense:)
[23:48] <ochosi> wait, "unstall" is a mix of "install" and "uninstall"? :D
[23:50] <ElderDryas> no, fumble fingers in typing, I mean uninstall (eating dinner, typing and watching football all at the same time)
[23:51] <ochosi> ElderDryas: hehe, hf multi-tasking then!
[23:52] <ElderDryas> no, that's the problem...single tasking slowly :)
[23:55] <ochosi> :]
[23:56] <knome> ochosi, unstall means to get something moving.. so can mean either installing or uninstalling ;)


[11:48] <bac> morning frankban, teknico.
[11:48] <frankban> hi bac
[11:49]  * bac starts reviewing
[11:49] <teknico> bac, good morning
[11:49] <bac> teknico: better today?
[11:50] <teknico> bac, yes, much better, thanks :-)
[11:51] <bac> frankban: first one done.  land away
[11:52] <frankban> thanks!
[12:10] <bac> frankban: 'file not found' reviewed.  teknico can you do a second review?
[12:11] <bac> teknico: nm, i see you're on it
[12:11] <teknico> bac, I am :-)
[12:11] <frankban> bac, teknico: thanks
[12:12] <frankban> bac: I think the comment you suggested makes sense
[12:24] <bac> frankban: good
[13:39] <bac> hi teknico, do you have a moment to chat about bug 1102640?
[13:39] <_mup_> Bug #1102640: Selecting a target service when adding a relation brings up the menu <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102640 >
[13:47] <bac> hi bcsaller
[13:50] <bcsaller> hey :)
[14:05]  * teknico is back from lunch
[14:05] <teknico> bac, sure
[14:06] <bac> sorry bcsaller, i didn't see you respond.  i was going to ask if your branch fixed bug 1102640 but i see it didn't
[14:06] <_mup_> Bug #1102640: Selecting a target service when adding a relation brings up the menu <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102640 >
[14:06] <bac> teknico: ok, regular hangout?
[14:07] <teknico> bac, yep
[14:08] <bcsaller> bac: That may be covered by the fix, I didn't see that one to specifically include it in testing ,checking now
[14:09] <bcsaller> bac: appears to be fixed as well
[14:09] <bac> bcsaller: not really
[14:09] <bac> on call.  want to join?
[14:09] <bcsaller> bac: yeah
[14:13] <frankban> bac, bcsaller: one test fails in trunk, adding the trivial fix in my current branch, landing soon.
[14:18] <bac> frankban: thanks
[14:18] <bcsaller> frankban: thanks
[14:53] <gary_poster> you guys rock, thank you
[15:27] <bac> bcsaller: i think i fully understand what is going on now...but not how to fix it.  can we chat before or after the standup?
[15:27] <bcsaller> bac: sure
[15:34] <bac> alejandraobregon, goodspud, teknico, benji: call now
[15:35] <alejandraobregon> bac: hi, we're at the sprint in a meeting, sorry we can't join..
[15:35] <bac> alejandraobregon: right, forgot
[15:35] <alejandraobregon> bac: no worries
[15:42] <bac> bcsaller: can you give me a quick idea on where to make the framework changes?
[15:44] <bcsaller> bac: it looks like we *could* but don't need to. app/assets/javascripts/d3-components.js:202 We do assign the global d3.event object
[15:44] <bcsaller> and can use that to cancel the event
[15:45] <bcsaller> so the proper fix should be available now
[15:46] <bac> bcsaller: oh, nice
[16:35] <bac> bcsaller: using d3.event to preventDefault did not prevent serviceClick from being called.  a crude work-around that does work is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1560040/
[16:38] <bcsaller> bac: I think you want stopPropagation, not preventDefault
[16:38] <bac> bcsaller: ok i'll try that
[16:43] <bac> bcsaller: neither stopPropagation nor stopEvent prevent serviceClick from being called
[16:44] <bcsaller> bac: hmm, that seems wrong because it should. I'll poke around a bit but don't let that interfere with what you're doing.
[16:44] <bac> bcsaller: did you note i was using d3.event.sourceEvent?  the actuall d3.event doesn't have those methods.
[16:45] <bac> bcsaller: i'm going to grab some lunch
[16:45] <bcsaller> The event facade should have them as well, but I'll look into it more, thanks
[16:47] <therve> is the gui supposed to work in firefox?
[16:47] <therve> I can't make it work for some reason here
[16:47] <therve> but it works in chromium
[16:55] <gary_poster> therve, not really, no.  We occasionally make sure it works in FF but we won't say it is supported until we have something like daily CI tests for the browser.  That's almost certainly happening in the next two months.  Meanwhile, we use chromium because it is wildly faster, particularly for the things we are doing.
[17:02] <gary_poster> Medium priority: FF seems to be broken.
[17:12] <hazmat> gary_poster, bummer
[17:12] <gary_poster> y
[21:05] <bac> bcsaller, benji: can you have a look at my review?
[21:05] <benji> bac: sure
[21:05] <bac> thanks
[21:06] <bcsaller> bac: doing it now
[21:06] <bac> great
[21:10] <bac> bcsaller: i attempted to come up with a test but so far have not been able to craft one
[21:11] <bac> bcsaller: the existing test doesn't simulate click events but calls the underlying methods directly.
[21:11] <bac> bcsaller: so, i'll make a card and perhaps collaborate with someone tomorrow to figure out how to get something working
[21:11] <bcsaller> bac: a card is fine.
[22:03] <benji> away
[22:31] <gary_poster> goodspud, try http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8888/


[09:41] <topyli> from the faq: "for technical reasons it is not possible to have one synced folder inside another synced folder." does this mean my ~/Documents/Articles won't work?
[09:41] <topyli> the quote is about the music store though
[09:42] <kklimonda> topyli: it won't work if you are already syncing ~/Documents/
[09:43] <topyli> kklimonda, i was plan to begin syncing my existing ~/Documents, which has subdirectories
[09:43] <topyli> either by making it a user-defined folder, or throwing it into ~/Ubuntu One
[09:44] <kklimonda> topyli: you can sync directory and it subdirectories just fine
[09:44] <topyli> ah ok
[09:44] <kklimonda> topyli: what you can't do is create a sync for ~/Documents/ and another one for ~/Documents/Articles/
[09:45] <topyli> but i can later create new subdirectories and it works?
[09:45] <kklimonda> yes
[09:45] <topyli> ah ok, good. thanks
[09:47] <topyli> was wondering since the client reports "sync in progress" forever, but u1sdtool --waiting-content reports nothing
[09:47] <topyli> nautilus also only shows happy files
[09:47] <kklimonda> no idea
[09:49] <topyli> i did delete a few files earlier, maybe it's pondering what to do about it
[11:49] <foxbuntu> hey all, got an issue with my ubuntuone client
[11:50] <foxbuntu> I had some issues with my home/.config and cleared it out, but now my client is complaining about permissions to it, but it did recreate the ~/.config/ubuntuone dir
[13:31] <kjoller> Is the desktopcouch running two different databases or something in Lucid? I have a small python app, which changes some of the data in the desktopcouch. When I use the Futon interface, it does not show up.
[13:37] <kjoller> hmmm ...maybe I should try rebooting.
[14:17] <ScooterO1211> honk
[14:22] <topyli> right, so i set some directories to sync to ubuntu one, but now the client won't run. returns a dbus error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
[14:23] <topyli> eventually crashes, it seems
[14:24] <topyli> and apport of course tells me why. old libnss3-1d, need to update. ignore me :)
[15:30] <guntbert> duanedesign: thx for reacting to my bug report : you were right - I marked the report as invalid
[15:36] <celticjak> Is there a long delay when syncing with U1?
[15:37] <celticjak> I just purchased the upgrade so I could sync all of my data - music, docs, pics, etc.
[15:37] <celticjak> I left my system on overnight and the folder structure shows to have synced, but the content hasn't yet.
[15:37] <guntbert> celticjak: minutes from the "sync finished" message -- in my experience
[15:38] <celticjak> guntbert: where did you see the message?
[15:39] <celticjak> btw, I'm running 10.04
[15:39] <guntbert> celticjak: open system/prefernces/ubuntu one
[15:39] <celticjak> yeah
[15:40] <celticjak> mine just shows 'sync in progress...'
[15:40] <kklimonda> celticjak: it should start syncing immediately, if not you honk developers
[15:40] <celticjak> It looks to be just really slow
[15:40] <celticjak> I know with Dropbox, it was just a matter of a couple of hours
[15:41] <celticjak> Couldn't tell if it was syncing or not.  Not really seeing any progress.
[15:42] <kklimonda> celticjak: you should wait for developers then - there may be some problem.
[15:42] <kklimonda> celticjak: or open a bug report
[15:42] <kklimonda> even better probably
[15:43] <celticjak> kklimonda: thanks.  I'm new to IRC, how do I know when a dev has joined?
[15:43] <kklimonda> they are talking a lot ;)
[15:44] <guntbert> celticjak: as stated in the topic: there seems to be a "signal" to call them - but it still may take a long time...
[15:45] <kklimonda> yeah, it's sunday afternoon so most of them do't work
[15:45] <celticjak> kklimonda: I see.  I read that but didn't really know what it meant.  Thanks again for your help.
[15:59] <Treenaks> honk :) I get "There was a (temporary) problem getting your list of purchased songs. Please wait a short time and then try again, or return to the music store." :(
[15:59] <Treenaks> (when clicking "My Downloads" in u1ms)
[16:00] <Treenaks> (also, my songs aren't downloading into U1)
[16:06] <diverse_izzue> i'd like to reset all configuration and temporary files of ubuntuone on my machine. what do i have to delete?
[16:09] <guntbert> diverse_izzue: does that help? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/778
[16:10] <diverse_izzue> guntbert, yes, thanks
[16:10] <guntbert> diverse_izzue: you're welcome :-)
[16:13] <diverse_izzue> guntbert, another question, if i use the option --delete-folder=<id> from u1sdtool, does that delete the folder from my drive, or does it delete the folder from U1's configuration?
[16:14] <guntbert> diverse_izzue: sorry -- no idea at all - I only scanned the faqs today :-)
[16:15] <diverse_izzue> thanks
[16:15] <diverse_izzue> honk
[16:15] <kjoller> Ah, I figured out why I was getting different results from python compared to Futon. I had run the restart procedure from the documentation on freedesktop.org, and ended up with two instances running.
[16:15] <kjoller> It seemed to have two different ports, anyway.
[16:15] <kjoller> Has the restart procedure changed in Lucid?
[16:32] <Nafallo> hiya. I purchased an album on Ubuntu One, but only 9/10 tracks got synced to my U1 account.
[16:32] <Nafallo> anyone online that can deal with this issue, or is it better to wait until tomorrow?
[16:49] <diverse_izzue> honk
[16:52] <Treenaks> Nafallo: I think waiting is the better option, I have the same issue (only 9/10 did NOT transfer)
[16:52] <alefteris> Hi all. Could anyone please explain briefly what "Broadcast Messages Archive" sync does?
[16:55] <Nafallo> Treenaks: ouch
[16:56] <beuno> alefteris, it syncs gwibber's settings and messages
[16:57] <beuno> Nafallo, file a bug with your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/syncdaemon.log
[16:57] <beuno> will give you a head start tomorrow  :)
[16:58] <Nafallo> no such file or directory.
[16:58] <Nafallo> ah. /log/
[16:58] <alefteris> beuno, messages? gwibber hasn'y got unread support as far as I can see, so what benefit you get from syncing messages?
[16:59] <beuno> Nafallo, ah, right, I wrote it by memory
[16:59] <beuno> alefteris, the tweets
[16:59] <beuno> it caches them
[16:59] <beuno> so it may en up using a couple hundred mb
[17:00] <beuno> take a peak in ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/
[17:02] <Nafallo> beuno: hmm. how will this log help? the issue seems to be the track not having got from 7digital to U1, and hence not to me...
[17:03] <alefteris> beuno, so gwibber creates a cache of tweets, and ubuntu one syncs it to different pcs? How usuful is caching the tweets, usually people are interested in the lastest ones only, and those are donwloaded every day. Most people don't search back the archive of tweets.. Or maybe it's just me :)
[17:13] <beuno> Nafallo, ah, then it's a known issue
[17:14] <beuno> alefteris, it also syncs the account settings
[17:14] <Nafallo> beuno: will tracks automagically show up, or should I still file a bug or something? :-)
[17:14] <beuno> alefteris, I have it disabled, so that tells you how useful I think it is  :)
[17:14] <beuno> Nafallo, they should magically show up, but filing a bug so someone's aware of your specific problem won't hurt
[17:14] <Nafallo> kewl. will do then :-)
[17:15] <Nafallo> bug 560780
[17:16] <alefteris> beuno, thx :)
[17:17] <diverse_izzue> my U1 is completely stuck, even if i reset locally (delete all config and so on according to FAQ). is there a way to reset the server side?
[17:18] <beuno> thanks Nafallo
[17:23] <Nafallo> now I have to run out to the cinema before my girlfriend slaughters me ;-)
[17:23] <beuno> good luck!
[17:23] <diverse_izzue> beuno, can you help me debug an issue with U1?
[17:24] <beuno> diverse_izzue, I'm half-way out the door trying to avoid girlfriend slaughter as well
[17:24] <beuno> I sugges you file a bug with all the logs
[17:24] <diverse_izzue> oh... we don't want you slaughtere
[17:24] <diverse_izzue> you better go
[17:24] <beuno> and someone will help you out on Monday
[17:24] <beuno> it's also not my area of expertise  :)
[19:04] <tritium> bindwood, a.k.a. "you can never delete your bookmarks:
[20:03] <rapha> Dear U1 devs, can you add a "Remember me" option to the web login?
[20:41] <rapha> also, i got a folder "Private" that contains a subfolder tree Schule/Geschichte/europa.eu/ with a bunc hof stuff in it that i've never before seen in my life
[20:41] <rapha> and where does the music go? because it oughta go into ~/Music
[20:45] <rapha> at the very least you should show ~/UbuntuOne/User Defined Folders like it is shown in the web interface
[20:45] <rapha> but rly, that name is stupid
[20:46] <rapha> and if i can l10n U1 into German, please tell me where and how
[21:47] <oliverhorn> hello
[21:47] <oliverhorn> honk
[22:37] <kklimonda> rapha: music bought from u1ms? to the ~/.ubuntuone/
[22:48] <topyli> i set a few directories outside ~/Ubuntu One to sync, but i see no emblems on the folders in nautilus indicating which ones are already synced and which are not. the emblem on the ~/Ubuntu One folder itself shows an "everything is fine" emblem
[22:48] <topyli> i don't think this is optimal
[22:49] <topyli> i went to the web interface and see about 100MB is used, while i'm syncing about 400MB, so i know it's not all okay
[22:50] <topyli> i think we should bring the notification icon back or something so users can know that things are still in progress and they should not shutdown if they want to use the files tomorrow at the office
[22:59] <Nafallo> topyli: quick workaround would be watch -d -n10 "u1sdtool --current-transfer && u1sdtool --waiting-metadata && u1sdtool --waiting-content" :-)
[22:59] <Nafallo> works well for me at least.
[23:00] <topyli> i know, but i'm assuming we're targeting an audience a bit larger than "people like topyli and Nafallo" :)
[23:01] <Nafallo> heh, point well made.


[03:47] <mikedep333_> wow. I can't believe my phone started working over USB as soon as I replaced the USB cable.
[03:48] <mikedep333_> I thought my $400 retail (1 year ago) android phone was defective
[03:55] <ChinnoDog> lol. instead your $5 USB cable was.
[05:00] <andrew> I had a usb cable go bad on me
[05:00] <andrew> couple dollars sent off to monoprice and I had a handful of replacements :)
[12:25] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[13:36] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[17:56] <andrew> SamuraiAlba: morning
[18:36] <SamuraiAlba> Andrew, wassup?


[16:30] <meena> the best (worst) review i have done to date https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1889#pullrequestreview-1204857023
[16:30] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1889 in canonical/cloud-init "add Anolis support" [Open]
[16:48] <minimal> meena: is there an echo in the room? ;-)
[23:21] <meena> I wonder how hard it would be to port netplan to not-Linux