[01:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Speak to me! - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/05/speak-to-me/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=speak-to-me
[01:44] <Azelphur> why does http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu say "built-in virus protection" ? XD
[01:44] <Azelphur> what built in virus protection does Ubuntu have/need?
[02:04] <stgraber> AlanBell: around?
[04:46] <HazRPG> Azelphur: Its just marketing, if your looking for an alternative operating system... then your clearly either a Mac or Windows user wanting to run away from viruses... it's a play on words, if they say "Built-in virus protection" what they really mean is that the security is tighter on a Linux/Ubuntu system... so having troubles with viruses is reduced down to a minimal (viruses do still exist for Linux/Unix just not as many!)
[04:48] <HazRPG> you've gotta remember, viruses do still exist, and well if you install Wine... your still susceptible to viruses - however nothing is ever given "execute" permissions by default
[04:49] <HazRPG> you could argue Wine is technically sandboxed... but well I've noticed that a default Install of Wine gives wine permissions to folders such as the music/documents/videos folders
[04:49] <HazRPG> so if you have things in those folders, and you open up a virus... technically the information on those files could become corrupted or worse... however the advantage to Wine is that nothing in Wine can run on start-up
[04:50] <HazRPG> (not unless you set something to run on startup)
[04:50] <HazRPG> (i.e. scripts etc)
[04:52] <HazRPG> also, files that have viruses (windows-based) injected to files will not run on linux unless your using those files with Wine... and even then I'm not sure how that would work exactly
[04:53] <HazRPG> This is partly the reason why I've made a separate folder in my Home directory called "Wine" and inside that I have Documents, Music, Videos, etc so instead of giving it room to play it, its once again sandboxed out
[04:54] <HazRPG> but that might just be paranoia on my part
[04:54] <HazRPG> plus the fact that I don't tend to use Wine except for games I buy off steam
[06:17] <MartijnVdS> You have to work quite hard to get Wine to do viruses
[06:17] <MartijnVdS> but it can be done
[06:18] <HazRPG> lol
[06:27] <HazRPG> right lets see if I can figure out how to setup the printer on my server...
[06:27] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: just "Connect to server" from the desktop CUPS admin tool
[06:28] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: maybe set up some ACL to allow that, but I wouldn't go mucking about with editing /etc/cups/printers.conf myself
[06:31] <AlanBell> stgraber: hi
[06:31] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Hmm, you've lost me
[06:31] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I was reading through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/cups.html
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that would work
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: but instead of the web interface, you can use "Connect to server" in the System -> Administration -> Printers ap[p
[06:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Yeah, for some reason I can't connect that way... was the first thing I tried... seems a config setting somewhere it stopping it.
[06:54] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I've just made sure that CUPS on my server is set to listen on its IP address... but still no joy, its just not allowed to auth.
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: so allow it :)\
[07:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: does this look about right? http://goo.gl/etCsA
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ah wait.. does the web interface work?
[07:01] <HazRPG> nope ^_^
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: even if you follow the Ubuntu wiki guide?
[07:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: "403"
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> cool
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea then, sorry
[07:02]  * MartijnVdS has a printer with a network port
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> (much easier)
[07:02] <HazRPG> lol
[07:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Woot! Think I've finally installed my printer to my server ;D
[07:32] <HazRPG> just printing off a test page now
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:45] <HazRPG> now I just need to see if I can get it install on all the clients now :)
[07:49] <HazRPG> Hmm, is there not a way to limit who can fiddle with the settings... or are the settings on a client-by-client basis?
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: username/password I think
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> but some bits are per-client
[07:51] <HazRPG> wow, this is more responsive then when it use to be on samba :o
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try the CUPS docs if you want some.. *cough*light*cough* reading
[08:12] <DJones> Morning
[08:46] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:48] <DJones> Morning czajkowski, seems a long time since you've been around (or maybe I've been asleep), how are you feeling now
[08:50] <czajkowski> DJones: not bad thanks
[08:52] <DJones> Thats good to hear, you seem to have been through the wringer lately
[08:52] <rml_home> I have a weird problem.  I installed 11.04 on my twin screen system and now both screens seem completely independent, almost like 2 separate systems.  Any ideas?
[08:52] <gord> morning all
[08:53] <rml_home> mouse will move between screens, but can't drag windows...
[08:54] <gord> sounds like you have set up separate xscreens rather than using something like twinview
[08:54] <rml_home> gord: you could be right.  I'm a recent convert to Linux, so a bit of a n00b :)
[08:55] <czajkowski> gord: aren't you glad I reminded you about the pg tips
[08:56] <rml_home> gord: I shall give it a bit of a thorough Googling.  Thanks for the pointer
[09:02] <gord> czajkowski, very :) although they have a starbucks down the road too
[09:03] <czajkowski> :)
[09:04] <JamesTait> Hello, world!
[09:06] <gord> aww maaaan, i lost my membership in launchpad-bugcontrol
[09:06] <gord> now i can't edit any bug on launchpad :(
[09:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks JamesTait must be learning a new programming language
[09:07] <JamesTait> :-P
[09:07] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm trying a variety, in the hope that I'll find one that makes my boys do as they're told. ;)
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - if you find it let me know will you.
[09:07] <JamesTait> "sudo tidy your room" isn't working.
[09:08] <JamesTait> And I tried to file a bug, but I couldn't find the project bug tracker.
[09:09] <gord> i think you are the bug tracker ;)
[09:10] <gord> why does google docs hate me so!
[09:10] <DJones> gord: If you can't edit bugs now, does that make life eaier and quieter
[09:15] <gord> no because i can edit some bugs ;) just when things are filed wrong or i need to edit quicky a bug on some other project, its more of a pain
[09:18] <AlanBell> I think I will go cast a vote
[09:20] <danfish> morning all
[09:20] <danfish> anyone know which browsers in XP support websockets?
[09:22] <danfish> nvm - latest chrome seems to work :)
[09:26]  * oimon wonders why people still vote in person rather than postal voting, where you receive all the ballot papers up front, and you have time to decide
[09:28] <czajkowski> odd.... my laptop has decided to reboot itself all on it;s own now twice this morning. For no reason.
[09:28] <DJones> oimon: Surely if you vote in person, you have longer to decide because you don't need to send the vote off earlier
[09:29]  * czajkowski needs to go find her place to vote
[09:29] <oimon> DJones: depends when you receive the info on all the candidates. quite often it is when you turn up at the ballot box
[09:29] <oimon> when i voted for london mayor, i seem to remember it was some AV style system
[09:30] <DJones> oimon: Ah, we get plenty of blue bin spam in the run up
[09:30] <DJones> Blue bin being recycling
[09:31] <oimon> i've missed votes in the past due to sudden change of plans in the evening
[09:31] <gord> we can vote?
[09:32] <gord> what are we voting on this time? celebrities again?
[09:32] <dutchie> czajkowski: is it overheating?
[09:32] <oimon> the yestoAV crowd would have you believe that you are voting for celebs
[09:33] <oimon> based on the spam i received from them
[09:33] <dutchie> i received no yes2av spam
[09:33] <oimon> well they picked the worst possible celebs
[09:33] <dutchie> apart from one man handing out flyers on cornmarket street yesterday who i ignored
[09:33] <oimon> i received it in the post
[09:34] <oimon> my wife never receives these things, i think it's because they know it doesn't annoy her
[09:35] <gord> .. anti virus?
[09:38]  * Laney sprints off to the polling station
[09:40] <oimon> on a different topic, i'm trying to work out why attachmate bought novell in the first place
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> because it thinks it will increase stockholder value
[09:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:43] <oimon> which bits? i never really understood how novell made money in recent years
[09:43] <popey> morning ratfans!
[09:43] <AlanBell> morning rat
[09:44] <brobostigon> morning oimon, popey and AlanBell .
[09:44] <oimon> bonjour#
[09:49] <oimon> anyone know how i can make an alternating white/blue background on an openoffice sheet without lots of donkey work?
[09:49] <oimon> e.g. row 1 white , row 2 blue, etc
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> oimon: perl -MSpreadsheet::WriteExcel'
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> :P
[09:50]  * MartijnVdS checks
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I think you can cobble something together with AutoFormat
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> (it might be called something else, I'm back-translating from Dutch)
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Format -> AutoFormat...
[09:55] <oimon> MartijnVdS: hey that seems to work
[09:55] <oimon> thanks
[09:55] <oimon> i create a format style for a few cells, then under autoformat create new format and then apply it :D
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Spreadsheet guru, I bow to you
[09:57] <oimon> isn't that what i'm suposed to say?
[09:58] <oimon> i'm creating my year-end budget 3months early :S
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I only know the names of the features
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I don't know how to use them properly
[10:08] <urbanbush> morning all. I upgraded to 11.04 yesterday to find X wont run and syslog message I am getting suggests that I should try module parameter 'video.allow_duplicates=1'. I don't know where to change this parameter. please point me in the right direction
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> !bootoptions
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> wait, that's for the live CD
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> urbanbush: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Editing Menus During Boot
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> urbanbush: that's where you edit it -- add it after the "splash" bit on the "linux" line
[10:12] <urbanbush> Dank u Martijn
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> geen probleem, urbanbush
[10:54] <gord> Ng! you around?
[10:54] <Ng> gord: no I'm asquare
[10:54] <Ng> ho ho ho
[10:54] <Ng> what's up?
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> ↑
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> Ng: that's up
[10:55] <Ng> thanks for helping me get up
[10:55] <devush> hi. i am trying to run ubuntu 10.04 on the hosted server. i use desktop always. but my ISP does not supports the tools around ubuntu. they supports Centos mainly
[10:55] <Ng> it's a necessary prerequisite for getting down
[10:55]  * Ng gets down
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> jump up jump up and get down!
[10:55] <devush> i am left with the ssh login only. but on the other side CentOS is a real pain in terms of getting all the tools i need.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> time for a different ISP, I guess? :)
[10:56] <devush> any suggestions advise?
[10:58] <gord> Ng, i can't figure out a good workflow for maximising terminals in terminator. normally i just have a bunch of terminals open and navigate around them but on my netbook i really only have space for one, so i want to zoom it, do my stuff, then be able to switch to my other terminals
[10:58] <devush> i wonder why the centos market share for server is so high compare to ubuntu. is the centos is long enough in the market? who else is hosting ubuntu server 10.04 e.g. here in UK?
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> devush: Centos is like red hat, which has been in the "corporate support"/enterprise market for way longer than Ubuntu has
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> devush: that said, there are loads of VPS providers that offer Ubuntu VPSes
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> devush: and/or just leave the choice up to the customer
[10:59] <phonex01> Hello people !
[11:00] <devush> MartinjVdS:yes mine is also supporting 10.04 LTS compare to 4 versions of Centos. but with ubuntu just the ssh. with centos lots of control panels e.g. from Parallel to control the server
[11:00] <Ng> gord: hmm. I do have to say that the typical workflow is lots of terminals all visible, but I do use ^X a lot to bring little ones up to full size to work in
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> devush: No idea about that. I tend to not need anything besides ssh to control my server :)
[11:01] <Ng> gord: keyboard navigation is a blind alley of failure, don't use that, but maybe try the built-in sloppy terminal focussing and ctrl-shift-x
[11:02] <popey> devush: thats nothing to do with ubuntu vs centos, that's down to the provider
[11:03] <devush> MartinjnVdS: yes. i think is again talk to back on the command line stuff. i have not really used the linux and commandline as i stuck with the big company for last 10-12 year. i used to be a web master and solaris administrator.
[11:03] <gord> Ng, ctrl+shift+z/x seems to be working well, thanks :)
[11:06] <Ng> gord: z is intended to be mostly to show people what's happening in a tiny little term, where x is about getting all the useful workspace
[11:06] <Ng> gord: but that's just me :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> Does anybody have a prefered WordPress plugin for Google Maps?
[11:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] LoCo Directory: Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/05/loco-directory-next-steps/
[11:20] <brobostigon> it is possible toreverse engineer a qr back, into the text that made it?
[11:20] <brobostigon> qr code*
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes
[11:21] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: elaborate please.
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> 1 sec phone
[11:22] <brobostigon> ok.
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> http://zxing.org/w/decode.jspx
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> those people make a barcode decoding library (for photos etc., as it's used on phones)
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> and they have an on-line decoder that can read the text in a QR code
[11:24] <brobostigon> thank you MartijnVdS :)
[11:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i am trying to figure out todays googlenexus puzzle, http://www.google.com/nexus/challenge2/manpdkeho.html
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> that looks like it's several QR codes in one.
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> one for each colour
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> or maybe some colour mixes (blue + yellow = green?)
[11:27] <brobostigon> because i always thought, the whole qr needs to be a singlecolour.
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that is correct
[11:27] <popey> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190502910035&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
[11:27] <popey> interesting device
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: so what you do: take this picture, make all blue (and green) pixels black, scan
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: then take the original picture, do the same with yellow/green
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: but is it supported in Linux?
[11:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, interesting idea, i onder whoe to do it though.
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: (my card works but apparently there's a driver bug -- it tells some chip to add too much white noise before tuning, making tuning impossible. Or something :|)
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: gimp, play with the colour/saturation bits :)
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: or magic select + paint bucket
[11:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, :)
[11:29] <brobostigon> no gimp, need to install it.
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: apparently, it works: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Technisat_SkyStar_USB_2_HD_CI
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> uhrm
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> no
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> "Currently unsupported"
[11:30] <bigcalm> popey: stop tempting me with tech gadgets
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> ah.. "it works" for some people
[11:31] <popey> it works in 2.6.39
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: I love how it requires a "Sound blaster compatible sound card"
[11:31] <popey> i just spoke to a friend who has one
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: stop tempting me :P
[11:32] <popey> :)
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'd want the CI-capable version though, and those cost twice as much :(
[11:48] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: or could i justchange the different colour channels, back to black?
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: as long as what's <colour> now becomes black (white?) and the other colours become white (black?), it shuold work
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: at least, I think that's it
[11:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm, i think i see, this is my first time using gimp.
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: no better time to learn :P
[11:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: simply to win a phone.
[11:57] <brobostigon> or i have to much time on my hands, either way.
[11:59] <Seeker`> bah, I'm ill, do I bother going out to vote?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> yes, you do
[12:00] <brobostigon> gimp isnt friendly.
[12:00] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: am ill enough to stay home from work
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: are you sick enough of FPTP :)
[12:01] <Seeker`> not really
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> remember: if you stay at home you don't get to complain about it if you don't like the outcome ;P
[12:01] <Myrtti> I must be weird but I understand d'Hondt better than AV
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: You're Finnish, right? Your words have checksums. No wonder you understand weird voting systems ;)
[12:02] <popey> lol
[12:02] <Myrtti> yeah, äöy can't be in the same words as aou...
[12:03] <Myrtti> I guess it makes sense
[12:03] <Myrtti> my brain is wired differently
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> :)
[12:04] <popey> Myrtti: http://i.imgur.com/kk2lZ.jpg :)
[12:04] <Seeker`> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uet4f3QwRQw&feature=related
[12:06] <Myrtti> popey: I think that my lack of not-understanding go deeper than 1-2-3
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Have you ever seen Debian's voting system?
[12:07] <brobostigon> i give up, i cant get it.
[12:07] <Myrtti> is it CIVS?
[12:07] <Seeker`> The count the "1" votes. if noone has 50%, they disregard the lowest candidate, and recount the votes, but if someone voted for the removed candidate their 2nd vote is used
[12:08] <Seeker`> etc. etc. until someone has greater than 50% of the vote
[12:08] <AlanBell> or until you run out of votes to transfer
[12:10] <MooDoo> ooooo voting discussion.
[12:10] <Myrtti> well, I'm so confused with the British voting system anyway and the party politics that my interest in the AV is purely theoretical.
[12:10] <gord> *thrilling* isn't it!
[12:10] <MooDoo> so who's voting no?
[12:10] <Myrtti> I understand it's better than FPTP, but the underlying mechanics are bewildering
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: tories?
[12:11] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yes i know that :D
[12:12] <popey> Be good to discuss the process, but lets not get into the specifics of who is voting which way
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Debian's voting works like this: http://seehuhn.de/pages/vote
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method)
[12:15] <Seeker`> I don't think AV will work unless most of the population understands that "coalition" means that the party will have to compromise
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> We've never had anything but a coalition here in .nl
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> So it _is_ possible :)
[12:16] <Seeker`> most of this governments term so far has been filled with whining by lib dems that they aren't getting all of their manifesto promises, without actually understanding that they didn't _win_ the election
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: but neither dit the other guys
[12:17] <Seeker`> No, but the other guys didn't get everything they wanted, and they got a larger number of seats too
[12:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> FPTP FTW!
[12:18] <popey> I just filed bug 777759, wonder who will get 777777
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: try saying that 10 times fast :)
[12:18] <popey> yes, say it 10 times
[12:18] <popey> in ##politics
[12:18] <popey> :p
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: 8-)
[12:19] <brobostigon> ##politics-uk :)
[12:19]  * popey notes brobostigon says that every single time I say ##politics
[12:20] <oimon> research has proven that endless reiteration of people's opinion via twitter does not make any difference
[12:20] <brobostigon> :)
[12:21] <Myrtti> proportional d'Hondt ♥
[12:21] <exobuzz> i had one of these last night. for a supermarket jar curry. wow http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/articles.aspx?page=articles&ID=216769
[12:21] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: so I've even voted on a couple of concordet elections for Ubuntu related stuff, but it still doesn't make much sense in the UK parliamentary election connection. But then again, Finland is a small country and our system works fine for us. Probably impossible for the UK
[12:21] <exobuzz> *hot*
[12:21] <popey> \o/ yay for exobuzz changing the subject
[12:22] <popey> double yay for it being curry
[12:22] <exobuzz> hehe
[12:22] <exobuzz> this thing hasnt lost any heat during processing by the body.
[12:22] <oimon> exobuzz: i find that curry paste+tomatoes makes a much more authentic tasting sauce, for similar effort expended
[12:23] <exobuzz> oimon, sometimes im drunk and lazy, but i have a cupboard full of spices and make my own garam masala etc
[12:23] <exobuzz> (in a coffee grinder). coffee made in it tastes extra special after
[12:23] <oimon> hmm
[12:23] <oimon> "special"
[12:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> exobuzz: http://twitpic.com/4evxfi
[12:25] <exobuzz> but that jar sauce is worth a try. i was thinking "how hot can it really be".
[12:25] <oimon> hmm i notice spotify now has a counter in the corner, telling me how long this month i have used it..until 10hrs cutoff point
[12:25] <exobuzz> TheOpenSourcerer, very nice. what sorts? (cant read the labels)
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Now they are quite a bit bigger.
[12:25]  * oimon can't eat food containing chilli since the age of 27 :(
[12:25] <exobuzz> TheOpenSourcerer, i planted some habenero seeds the other day. a little late i guess but hopefully a long hot summer :)
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/01/29/ot-the-return-of-the-chillies/
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> I start mine at the end of Jan.
[12:26] <exobuzz> dorset naga. jolokia. your gonna be on fire
[12:26] <exobuzz> you're
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am now going off to vote and get some lunch.
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> All this talk of food.
[12:27] <exobuzz> i grew some purira chillies that i really enjoyed some yaers ago. something like that. very nice flavour and each plant was plentiful
[12:27] <exobuzz> oh yeh. voting. must go and do that
[12:27] <DJones> I might get some chillies now I've got a greenhouse
[12:28]  * brobostigon plans to, at somepoint this afternoon.
[12:28] <oimon> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/mark-shuttleworth-talks-windicators-changes-for-unity-in-oneiric-and-whole-lot-more
[12:28] <oimon> for those who didn't catch it already
[12:28] <exobuzz> thanks.
[12:29] <exobuzz> "Are you satisfied with Unity in the recent Ubuntu version ?" Yes.. - oh dear
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> More money than sense, that one :P
[12:30] <DJones> Heh, I wonder if I can get commission for them quoting my question & his answer
[12:30] <oimon> well, yes if you see how far they've come..no if you think it's finished
[12:30] <exobuzz> repost. but am i satisfied with unity. not quite. could you change those icons sizes based on screen res please! http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/unity2.png
[12:30] <exobuzz> (my joggler)
[12:31] <exobuzz> mouse accessibility is still broken in natty. they just need to downgrade mousetweaks. taking their time :(
[12:31] <oimon> "We’ll work out the details in round two." - this is why i'm staying with lucid for now - natty is vista
[12:32] <exobuzz> overlay scrollbars are terrible and dont work well on touchscreens too.
[12:32] <Myrtti> Xubuntu ♥
[12:32] <exobuzz> Myrtti, no gvfs though right? i like the simplicity though
[12:32] <exobuzz> "windicators" hmm. im not convinced about this
[12:33] <Myrtti> exobuzz: no, but I have no or little use of it anyway - nothing that commandline script couldn't do
[12:34] <davmor2> exobuzz: you can of course install plugins that replicate the bulk of the gvfs work or install gvfs being as it is gtk+ based not sure what else of gnome that would pull in though
[12:35] <exobuzz> because i like the classic desktop style, xfce might be a choice depending on what happens at ubuntu. or i might go back to linux mint.
[12:35] <exobuzz> i like the mint menu, although it could be a bit leaner and quicker to load
[12:36] <popey> exobuzz: tried unity2d on joggler?
[12:37] <exobuzz> popey, yep. thats the screenshot
[12:37] <popey> oh
[12:37] <exobuzz> 3d unity doesnt work with emgd as with other opengl apps.
[12:38] <exobuzz> popey, it works, but since you cant use applets, not brightness control in the menubar
[12:38] <popey> cant you whitelist the applet?
[12:38] <exobuzz> i actually find the classic desktop easier to use on the joggler still
[12:38] <popey> e.g. skype is whitelisted
[12:39] <exobuzz> popey, i dunno, i thought applets just didnt work fullstop? is there documentation on getting things working ?
[12:39] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[12:40] <davmor2> popey: you'll get shuned if you use omgubuntu links
[12:40] <exobuzz> popey, is this just for systray apps or it works with actual applets too?
[12:40] <exobuzz> i guess i can try it
[12:40] <exobuzz> thanks
[12:43] <popey> davmor2: meh
[12:43] <popey> davmor2: find me the documentation on an "official" site and I'll use that
[12:43] <oimon> to sort of people than shun for using certain links are the sort of people than shun ubuntu users for not using a more l33t linux distro :D
[12:43] <davmor2> popey: I'm teasing I do it all the time and get whinged at :)
[12:44] <oimon> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray/30748#30748
[12:44] <popey> brilliant, thanks!
[12:44]  * popey upvotes
[12:46] <exobuzz> popey, you can try unity 2d on my latest natty image on the joggler. would be interested in seeing what you think. i find the classic menus still quicker to navigate on the joggler touchscreen
[12:46] <Dave2> notification area!
[12:47] <popey> YES! THAT!
[12:48] <Dave2> I wonder if it's still called that in Gnome 3. It doesn't notify you of much.
[12:48] <gord> the "pssst have you heard? shhhhh" area
[12:49] <popey> the "LOOK AT ME, I'M SKYPE" area
[12:49] <brobostigon> Dave2: yes, it is, but it does much more now, it holds applets aswell.
[12:49] <davmor2> Dave2: no it technically doesn't exist in gnome3 honest notifications come from the bottom of the screen
[12:50] <Dave2> davmor2: it's still there when you move the mouse to the bottom-right
[12:50] <brobostigon> Dave2: or pops up, when you get a noitifivation, or an applet comes alive.
[12:51] <davmor2> Dave2: still less than informative
[12:51] <oimon> anyone still think lastpass is safe?
[12:51] <DJones> You mean now they might have been hacked?
[12:51] <oimon> yeah
[12:51] <Dave2> brobostigon: I thought the notification itself appeared at the bottom, but the area didn't.
[12:51] <popey> oimon: yes
[12:52] <brobostigon> Dave2: both are true, it pops up there, and live in the bottom to bottom right.
[12:52] <Dave2> (I've been using it on my desktop for a while now, after accidentally replacing Gnome 2 with it. I was trying to find out whether I found it more tolerable than Unity. Which thankfully I do.)
[12:53] <Dave2> (However I'm currently at work where I'm running Gnome 2 so am going from memory.)
[12:54] <davmor2> Dave2: Now I'm the other way round, I found gnome shell really nice in comparison with unity in 10.10 but now much prefer unity over gnome shell in 11.04
[12:55] <Dave2> I didn't give Unity too much of a chance, but I now can't give it any, what with having replaced Gnome 2. But it just annoyed me to work with it. Maybe being stuck in Gnome 3's forced me to adapt to it, and if I did the same with Unity I'd also be fine.
[12:56] <Dave2> But then, I'd have to familiarize myself with multiple interfaces, as I'm not going to be running Ubuntu everywhere. (This machine's Fedora.)
[13:01] <oimon> Dave2: classic gnome is still an option from the login screen in natty
[13:01] <Dave2> Not when you've accidentally replaced Gnome 2 with Gnome 3 it's not. (And nor is Unity. Well, both are options listed, neither work.)
[13:03] <oimon> oh, i didn't realise it was possible to actually replaceit
[13:04] <oimon> gnome3 has the biggest, most useless title bars i've ever seen
[13:05] <Dave2> most useless?
[13:12] <DJones> Dave2: From what I've read, Unity & Gnome 3 are incompatible at the moment
[13:12] <popey> in 11.04, yes
[13:13] <DJones> popey: Yes, sorry, should have added that bit
[13:14] <Dave2> DJones: exactly my point
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great deal at Tesco express for lunch. Ch. Tikka Masala & Pilau Rice £2.59p, 6 x O.Bhaji £1.00
[13:17]  * bigcalm wallows in his chicken meat 'n chips
[13:18] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: on a diet again ;)
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Smothered in freshly chopped habanero chilli.
[13:19]  * danfish hides my pastie and monster munch lunch
[13:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> The chilli adds lots of important vitamins. 500x Viit C. of an Orange apparently
[13:19] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: and a portion of your five a day :)
[13:20] <bigcalm> Ignoring the phone while on lunch is so much fun
[13:20] <oimon> twitter needs a politics filter :(
[13:20] <exobuzz> TheOpenSourcerer, nice! hungry now :
[13:20] <popey> \o/ pizza
[13:20] <exobuzz> + habanero chilli. lol
[13:20] <exobuzz> pizza yay
[13:22]  * danfish has just got to finish some websockety stuff and then it's semi-automatic chilli watering system time:)
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> I have no lunch
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> and there is nobody in my office :(
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> so I can't leave
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> I do however have a can of relentless :)
[13:22] <bigcalm> KrisDouglas: have something delivered to the office
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> No delivery places are open in the daytime in Stone
[13:23] <oimon> what does relentless taste like?
[13:23] <oimon> all those energy drinks seem to taste of chemicals
[13:23] <KrisDouglas> Slightly sharper than red bull.
[13:23] <oimon> eww
[13:24] <KrisDouglas> It tastes like apple juice
[13:24] <KrisDouglas> kinda.
[13:24] <oimon> red bull tastes of nasty with added tcp
[13:24] <KrisDouglas> I don't like red bull.
[13:24] <bigcalm> TCP/RB ?
[13:25] <oimon> rootbeer?
[13:25] <KrisDouglas> I tend to only drink tea and squash :P
[13:26] <oimon> when i was little i liked the peanuts strip so i went to mcdonalds and bought a rootbeer cos thats what snoopy liked. discovered that it was the basis for the tcp-like taste in redbull
[13:26] <exobuzz> i wish i hadnt drunk ta whole bottle of wine last night after 2 pints of cider and a pint of stella.
[13:26] <KrisDouglas> I don't drnk
[13:26] <KrisDouglas> Drink*
[13:26] <exobuzz> and then posted drunkenly on a forum. need computer breathalyzer
[13:26] <oimon> lol
[13:26] <KrisDouglas> Ooh "Help improve Microsoft SQL Server 2008"
[13:27] <KrisDouglas> "Yes please microsoft, put an uninstall icon on my desktop for me."
[13:28] <popey> "port it to linux"
[13:28] <KrisDouglas> Good god man.
[13:30] <KrisDouglas> Once you get around the slowness of the management studio, it's a relatively usable database platform. Sadly.
[13:30] <KrisDouglas> We're moving to postgres or mysql though
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> KrisDouglas: except you can't really use it from other OSes
[13:31]  * brobostigon returns from doing his democratic duty.
[13:31] <oimon> what's the future of mysql ?
[13:31] <KrisDouglas> We don't run desktop apps in our office.
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> oimon: /dev/null
[13:32] <oimon> it's still the defacto standard her
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> oimon, MartijnVdS, I think that's about right
[13:32] <oimon> her=here
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> I've used PostgreSQL for ages now
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> MySQL feels scary, with its broken referential integrity and broken transaction support
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> (even with innodb)
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> also, its non-SQL99/SQL2003-compliant dialect *shudder*
[13:33] <oimon> "There is no real argument for the No campaign." - just written by some numpty on facebook
[13:34] <oimon> but how do you spell LAMP with postgres?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Linux, Apache, My App, Postgresql
[13:37] <KrisDouglas> LAPP
[13:38] <KrisDouglas> So what do you guys recommend database wise, I do not mind changing to something better. I don't really like the way My is going anyway
[13:38] <KrisDouglas> popey, feel free to shoot me if you don't want this dirty offtopic talk here
[13:38] <davmor2> oimon: Linux, Apache, Mission_critical_database_postgresql, PHP
[13:39] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, Classic.
[13:39] <smilcha30> is this channel live? anyone here?
[13:39] <KrisDouglas> smilcha30, Yeah it is.
[13:39] <davmor2> smilcha30: no
[13:39] <smilcha30> omg
[13:39] <oimon> just 140 bots chilling out
[13:39] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, spoilsport
[13:39] <smilcha30> any sexy ladies here?
[13:39] <oimon> lol
[13:40] <KrisDouglas> smilcha30, davmor2
[13:40] <smilcha30> just joking
[13:40] <oimon> only bearded ones
[13:40] <KrisDouglas> oimon, haha
[13:40] <smilcha30> has anyone tried to run linux on new sandy bridge  processors ?
[13:41] <smilcha30> I`m just a newbie and got my ubuntu on  only today
[13:42] <davmor2> smilcha30: I've not personally
[13:43] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: Sexy I may be, so much so that when I met prince william he said I need a hair cut like that and promptly started shedding hair, but I'm no Lady!
[13:44] <oimon> sexy is subjective anyway
[13:45] <smilcha30> it is hard to believe that only bearded guys are here, back in my country we had some nice chicks as admins
[13:46] <oimon> do you work on a chicken farm or something?
[13:46] <popey> ahem
[13:46] <oimon> AlanBell has some chicks working for him
[13:47] <smilcha30> nvm
[13:47] <smilcha30> just got here by mistake,
[13:47] <KrisDouglas> I don't have a beard.
[13:48] <oimon> i don't either, but i don't understand the shaving every day thing if you aren't a sales person
[13:48] <KrisDouglas> And ubuntu is the only distro I can think of that has quite a hefty number of ladies working.
[13:48] <oimon> \o/
[13:48]  * popey suspects AlanBell knows the %age of women who are Ubuntu members
[13:48] <oimon> which other distro can say they sell ladies tshirts in their store
[13:49] <popey> which other distros have stores?
[13:49] <popey> i guess fedora does?
[13:49] <brobostigon> suse?
[13:49] <popey> SOOOOOZAH!
[13:49] <oimon> you could work out the %age of ladies names on the oggcamp list and extrapolate it to the entire open source population. that what most surveys seem to do
[13:49] <popey> heh
[13:50] <oimon> i see suse has become the "german distro" again
[13:50] <smilcha30> all right guys. I`m ready to learn some linux stuff, where should I start?
[13:50] <bigcalm> smilcha30: what bits are you interested in?
[13:50] <MooDoo> popey: fedora doesn't really have one, redhat does
[13:50] <popey> ah
[13:50] <oimon> i have redhat gear
[13:51] <popey> Start with minecraft :)
[13:51] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:51] <MooDoo> +1
[13:51] <bigcalm> popey++
[13:51] <oimon> tshirt, cap, bag, mug, usb stick, rechargeable battery, pen holder
[13:51]  * DJones wonders if the redhat store sells hats in other colours other than red?
[13:51] <davmor2> popey: That just evil!
[13:51] <MooDoo> smilcha30: download a live cd and start with that :D
[13:51] <gord> i bet people looking for red hats on google are certainly very disappointed
[13:52] <gord> or fedoras really
[13:52] <smilcha30> MooDoo,  got my system up and installed,
[13:52] <MooDoo> smilcha30: ah ! :)
[13:52] <bigcalm> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2224#comic # this is the real reason for shaving :S
[13:52] <DJones> !manual | smilcha30 Possibly a good place to start would be this link,
[13:52] <davmor2> smilcha30: what do you want to learn?
[13:52] <smilcha30> no idea
[13:53] <smilcha30> just to use ubuntu as dayly os
[13:53] <DJones> !terminal
[13:53] <MooDoo> smilcha30: just get yourself familiar where evertyhing is
[13:53] <DJones> smilcha30: Thats another good one to start looking at
[13:53] <smilcha30> kk thanks
[13:53] <oimon> i also recommend the manual
[13:53] <popey> !manual
[13:53] <popey> \o/
[13:53] <bigcalm> Too late
[13:54] <DJones> Heh, I was also going to suggest not talking about female ubuntu users as chicks etc, that probably won't be appreciated
[13:54] <oimon> irc is funny...sometimes when i pop into another room and ask a question, i feel like i should idle for 1 hr after the qu is answered then leave
[13:54] <Pendulum> DJones: +1
[13:54] <brobostigon> DJones: +1
[13:55] <gord> gord +1
[13:55] <popey> +42
[13:55] <bigcalm> +19
[13:55] <gord> cheater
[13:55] <oimon> DJones: i find it better to pretend i don't know what he means
[13:55] <Pendulum> that said, if AlanBell ever gets chicks of the avian variety, we can talk about his chicks
[13:55] <DJones> Pendulum: he has chickens
[13:55] <popey> I cuddled AlanBell's chicks a while back
[13:55] <oimon> time for my budget meeting with big boss
[13:55] <Pendulum> DJones: I know. In the US chicks = baby chickens and you never refer to adult chickens as chicks
[13:55] <MooDoo> i think i called pleia2 a chick once......still got the virtual bruises :D
[13:56] <popey> I called pleia2 and other women "guys" once :)
[13:56] <DJones> Pendulum: Right, I call baby chickens fried eggs in waiting & adults chickens a sundy roast :)
[13:56] <popey> oops
[13:56] <MooDoo> popey: oooops
[13:56] <gord> guys is non gender specific to me, but maybe its just me
[13:56] <Pendulum> haha
[13:56] <popey> was especially lolworthy given my mail was about Ubuntu Women :)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: "NOBODY.. CALLS ME.. CHICKEN" </McFly>
[13:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Chicken! :P
[13:57] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: :)
[13:57] <gord> ... didn't open tag
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> woohoo, made gord throw an exception 8-)
[13:57] <DJones> Maybe saying "Alright chuck" would be ok around manchester area (In a Vera Duckworth husky voice)
[13:58] <popey> Hi-yaaaaa!

[13:58]  * MartijnVdS tries Unity 2D on $old_machine
[13:58] <MooDoo> czajkowski: alright chick :)
[13:58]  * MooDoo is waiting for the punch
[13:59] <AlanBell> popey: just over 5% but the stats for this month have not yet been run
[14:00] <AlanBell> oggcamp was just under 10% for the first 200
[14:02] <Pendulum> somehow I think oggcamp is a bit higher of a percentage than most of open source
[14:02] <AlanBell> it is not a global thing
[14:02] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:07]  * davmor2 punch MooDoo on czajkowski behalf
[14:07] <gord> wow branching lp:unity is huge
[14:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: cheers laddo
[14:07] <nigelb> gord: does bzr have a depth option like git?
[14:07] <davmor2> gord: it is scarily big isn't it
[14:07] <gord> nigelb, depth?
[14:07] <nigelb> gord: that way you get latest and nothing more and you can use it normally.  I forgot I do the same for summit and loco-ddirectory. Its much cleaner, yes :-)
[14:10] <KrisDouglas> mozzarella
[14:11] <KrisDouglas> What the god happened there, i was supposed to be posting bizarre.
[14:11] <KrisDouglas> I didn't even use spellcheck, i just typed that.
[14:11] <DJones> KrisDouglas: That is more bizarre thinging bizarre and spelling it mozzarella
[14:13] <KrisDouglas> Someone mentioned pizza
[14:13] <KrisDouglas> and I has just told my GF we are having pizza for tea.
[14:13] <KrisDouglas> Makes sense.
[14:15] <KrisDouglas> Yay, I killed Ubuntu-UK
[14:16] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[14:16] <dogmatic69> whole vhost for that?
[14:17] <bigcalm> :D
[14:17] <bigcalm> Why not?
[14:17] <KrisDouglas> popey, I like it.
[14:17] <dogmatic69> lol
[14:17] <dogmatic69> popey: get it its own ipv4 address :P
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: those cost money now
[14:17] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I told him to animate it rolling off the page cause it would be far funnier but no
[14:17] <KrisDouglas> Speaking of hosts, I need to get a static IP for my house. Need to get my website back up.
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> \o/ IPv6
[14:18] <popey> it's one of many
[14:18] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/ comes out when pizza is mentioned
[14:18] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: aws charges you if you dont use it
[14:18] <bigcalm> joke.
[14:18] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: why just use dyndns
[14:18] <dogmatic69> popey: lol
[14:18] <KrisDouglas> popey, do you actually have a day job? :P
[14:18] <popey> Yes, but I dont work for canonical!
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: what? v6?
[14:19] <davmor2> popey: ah so you have time :P
[14:19] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, I never really liked that service, can you assign real domain names to that nowadays?
[14:19] <KrisDouglas> (as in, not a .dyndns hostname)
[14:19] <popey> yes
[14:19] <KrisDouglas> Oh.
[14:19] <popey> i used to point popey.com at a dyndns.host
[14:19] <popey> and then that pointed to my house
[14:19] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: v4
[14:20] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: you can on paid iirc but on free you can have various include .org again iirc
[14:20] <KrisDouglas> I am way behind the times with that, I might go check out to see how much it is to not get nagged every 2 weeks.
[14:20] <KrisDouglas> i have krisd.eu
[14:21] <popey> KrisDouglas: nagged?
[14:21] <popey> I never get nagged
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> Is there a way to get Thunderbird to play nice with the Messages indicator?
[14:21] <popey> i have a domain and point it at a dyndns hostname (cname) and that points to my dynamic IP
[14:21] <DJones> KrisDouglas: I do the same, point a website at dyndns & that points to my home which in turn points to a server
[14:21] <popey> near-zero effort
[14:21] <KrisDouglas> $2.50 a month is perfect.
[14:21]  * popey pays $0.00 a month
[14:21] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/#ebsPricing
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: I don't use AWS
[14:22] <dogmatic69> pay if you ask for one and dont use it :P
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: yes, also http://newenterprise.allthingsd.com/20110325/got-any-old-ip-addresses-need-to-raise-cash-you-may-be-in-luck/
[14:22] <KrisDouglas> Hmm, thanks for the info. I will setup a free account in that case and try it out :)
[14:22] <DJones> dyndns did bring something in where if you didn't log in to dyndns or something changes/checked in automatically, you'd get a monthly nagging email
[14:23] <popey> oh?
[14:23] <DJones> (with the free service)
[14:23] <popey> i have never had a mail from them
[14:23] <DJones> I've only had one in about 6 months
[14:23] <popey> ah
[14:23] <DJones> I think if your connection drops for any reason, that forces a checkin which resets the counter
[14:24] <KrisDouglas> DJones, I get that.
[14:24] <KrisDouglas> I was getting one every fortnight or a month
[14:24] <KrisDouglas> drove me round 't bend.
[14:24] <KrisDouglas> t' bend*
[14:25] <DJones> popey: Inactivity Expirations
[14:25] <DJones> A Dynamic DNS Free host's activity is measured by how often the host's IP address is updated. If a host is not updated within 30 days, it will be removed from the system.
[14:25] <DJones> To prevent these expirations, you can click the link in the expiry email sent every 25 days
[14:26] <popey> ooo
[14:26] <DJones> From http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/dyndns.html
[14:26] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: DJones just setup ddclient
[14:26] <DJones> davmor2: I have :)
[14:27] <davmor2> DJones: there is also dyndns as an app on ubuntu now too oldly
[14:28] <livingdaylight> Haro
[14:30] <dwatkins> Even my router at home does dyndns now.
[14:30] <livingdaylight> popey, I looked up one review of lenovo 550 and it seemed to have hdmi out even though it was a lower spec processor. Unfortunately, the one on sale doesn't. That site has good deals though.
[14:31] <davmor2> dwatkins: mine says it does but I kept getting issues from it so went for ddclient on my server instead
[14:31] <kazade> what the...  I've had some kind of graphical corruption on my Xchat window all day that made it look like no-one had said anything all day.. I just moved the window and I can see about 6 pages of chat scrollback! :/
[14:31] <popey> haha
[14:31] <livingdaylight> This HP G62 seems a nice deal at £350http://www.ebuyer.com/product/257135
[14:31] <dwatkins> davmor2: I'd best check my BT Home Hub really is doing it then, thanks.
[14:32] <davmor2> dwatkins: most seem to without issue I think mine is just trying my patience :)
[14:33] <dwatkins> Seems to be working ok, although knowing BT's hardware it'll fall over mid-evening.
[14:33] <gord> dynamic dns is really annoying these days, because of the 30 day problem, would love to just run some software on my server that does the same thing
[14:34] <dwatkins> the fact they require you to visit the site each month with a free account?
[14:34] <dwatkins> gord: that's enough to make me very tempted to pay, and it's not particularly expensive, is it?
[14:34]  * popey wonders why he isnt getting any of these issues
[14:35] <gord> its not a service i feel i want to pay for though, i'd rather do it myself
[14:35] <livingdaylight> can anyone recommend a better computer for £350 or less than said HP G62 above?
[14:35] <gord> if it was for more than just "so i can ssh home when i'm away" - i would be more inclined to pay
[14:35] <davmor2> popey: did you pay dyndns?
[14:36] <popey> no
[14:36] <gord> does your ip change a lot?
[14:36] <popey> hence why I am boggling at all this talk
[14:36] <popey> no
[14:36] <popey> rarely
[14:36] <davmor2> popey: or did you setup ddclient or dnydns locally?
[14:36] <gord> do you have magical powers?
[14:36] <popey> my router does the dyndns stuff
[14:36] <popey> which is sensible surely?
[14:36] <davmor2> popey: that's why then
[14:36] <bigcalm> Does anybody have Adobe Acrobat Reader X installed? I need to know if it has an save or export to JPG feature
[14:36] <popey> right
[14:36] <popey> so everyone moaning.. do that
[14:36] <popey> and stop moaning
[14:36] <dwatkins> yeah, I think my router does the updates, and because my IP changes regularly, it satisfies the 'update once a month' thing
[14:36] <popey> and no money changes hands
[14:36] <popey> win
[14:36] <davmor2> popey: the router is updating it once a day
[14:37] <popey> my mum also uses it and I installed ddclient for her
[14:37] <bigcalm> I use ddclient so that I can use the dyn feature on my own domain names with joker.com
[14:38] <gord> my router does the dyndns stuff and i still lose my account frequently :)
[14:38] <gord> hrm,
[14:38] <gord> maybe its that my router only updates the dyndns account *when* my ip changes, whereas popey's updates it say, every week regardless
[14:38]  * popey shrugs
[14:38] <popey> its some netgear thing
[14:39] <kazade> Haha, classic letter in this week's MicroMart: "The truth of the matter is they [Linux users] have been forced to onto Linux not because of a badly written OS from Microsoft, but their inability to operate it in the proper manner"
[14:39] <dwatkins> and my IP address changes all the time because I'm with BT ;)
[14:39] <popey> wow, people buy MicroMart?
[14:39] <bigcalm> My grandmother has sky but no server, so the router is set to use dyndns.org. Sadly her IP address doesn't change often enough to stop the 30 day timeout
[14:39] <dwatkins> the proper manner for operating windows is 1) insert linux CD or USB stick 2) reinstall? ;)
[14:39] <kazade> popey, heh, me and a couple of other people
[14:39] <davmor2> popey, gord: netgear does it each day or week where as mine does it on change same as yours
[14:39] <davmor2> gord: install ddclient
[14:40] <gord> davmor2, ddclient gets around router problems? i'm not sure if dyndns guess your ip from whatever is connecting or if you supply the ip
[14:41] <gord> it was a problem like 5 years ago when i last had a client update it
[14:41] <davmor2> gord: ddclient is designed to just ping dyndns with your ip as far as I can see
[14:55] <davmor2> livingdaylight: that is the one I said to get from currys, 349 :P  also you'll have woes with the ralink 5390 wifi if you get it I'll try and find you the link that finally worked for me
[14:58] <KrisDouglas> kazade, that is typical.
[14:59] <KrisDouglas> kazade, the contents of the message, that is.
[15:00] <KrisDouglas> popey, what router do you have?
[15:01] <popey> uuuuuhm
[15:01] <popey> no idea
[15:01] <popey> white netgear thing
[15:01] <popey> however I am moving to a superhub
[15:01] <popey> probably tomorrow because I'll be at home :D
[15:02] <hamitron> superhub?
[15:02] <popey> virgin 30Mb
[15:02] <hamitron> heh, super ;)
[15:02] <popey> needs a new modem because it's a new DOCSIS version or something
[15:03] <popey> yeah, I hear it's "super"
[15:03] <bigcalm> popey: when do you get your next bill? ;)
[15:07] <bigcalm> Ooo, 3 4sq friend requests. I am popular!
[15:08] <popey> :D
[15:08] <bigcalm> 2 added, 1 ignored
[15:09] <bigcalm> Not sure what you do with friends on 4sq though
[15:10] <popey> compete for points :)
[15:10] <popey> one of my co-workers checks in as he drives past places :(
[15:10] <Myrtti> popey: the "not-Canonical" reminds me with my (lately smaller than before) problem of "not-Nokia"
[15:10] <popey> :S
[15:11] <popey> join!
[15:11] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical
[15:11] <popey> all except gord are welcome
[15:11] <popey> :)
[15:11] <davmor2> popey: really?
[15:11] <popey> and you
[15:11] <popey> and her
[15:11] <popey> and him
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> :|
[15:12]  * davmor2 takes potshots at popey with his spud gun
[15:12] <hamitron> people think you work for them?
[15:12] <davmor2> popey: let me know if they get close
[15:14] <oimon> the trouble with those giant 150g bags of sensations crisps is that it's easy to eat the whole bag in one go
[15:14] <hamitron> :D
[15:14] <oimon> it's very hard to judget what a normal bag zied amount of crisps is without weighing them
[15:15] <krimzon2> I'd say stop before you feel satisfied, but no amount of crisps is actually satisfying
[15:15] <hamitron> they so are
[15:15] <popey> eat chocolate first
[15:15] <popey> crisps are much tastier after chocolate
[15:15]  * DJones looks at the multipack of walkers crisps set at the other end of the room and notes that it containts 40*25g bags
[15:15] <hamitron> I used to eat 20 bags of space invaders at school
[15:16] <oimon> yummmm
[15:16] <oimon> pickled onion ones still live on as pickled onion niknaks
[15:16] <oimon> just finished easter egg numbre 1
[15:16] <oimon> i need to pick up the pace
[15:16] <hamitron> yeh :/
[15:16] <AlanBell> you have a pickled onion easter egg?
[15:16] <Azelphur> just ordered my dell inspiron duo, got it for £320 :D
[15:17] <hamitron> nice going
[15:17] <Myrtti> I wish I had a tube of pringles
[15:17] <oimon> does it work on ubuntu?
[15:17] <Azelphur> oimon: inspiron duo? should do :p
[15:17] <oimon> ummm
[15:17] <oimon> not out of the box
[15:17] <Myrtti> see, now my thoughts are polluted
[15:17] <Azelphur> oh sure not ootb, but I can just reload it.
[15:17] <Myrtti> one can always read: "does it work for ubuntu"
[15:17] <davmor2> Myrtti: I have one I'll share it with you
[15:18] <oimon> i'm about to buy a thinkpad x220 tablet for someone
[15:18] <oimon> the x201 is ubuntu certified ..x200 not quite yet
[15:19] <oimon> CentOS PubCrawl on 10th May, London Earls Court Area; signup + details :http://bit.ly/iCNfoh
[15:19] <oimon> sorry wrong room :P
[15:19] <Azelphur> Anyone know how I'd go about debugging gmail sending all mail from my domain(s) to the spam folder?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: gmail or gmail-for-your-domain?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ("normal" or "apps")
[15:20] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I have google apps, but my webserver sends mail out for account registration and stuff
[15:20] <DJones> Azelphur: All mails you send from your domain are going into other people spam folder?
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it probably thinks your server = spam server (because you forwarded spammy messages)
[15:21] <DJones> Blacklisted?
[15:21] <Azelphur> DJones: not n any blacklist I know of
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: enable dkim
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> it might help (but it might not)
[15:22] <Azelphur> it's in a situation atm where mail from my webserver is all spam
[15:22] <DJones> Azelphur: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=81126
[15:22] <Azelphur> but spam I send from google apps is ok
[15:22] <Azelphur> DJones: nice, I'll go through that
[15:23] <DJones> Azelphur: Thats linked from "If you're sending to Gmail users and are seeing your messages marked as spam, please review our Bulk Senders guide."
[15:23] <shauno> spf & dkim aren't too painful to setup, and seem to get you on gmail's good side pretty quickly
[15:23] <Azelphur> yea. I'll give it a go :)
[15:24] <Azelphur> lol every single mail on the first page of my spam folder isn't spam \o/
[15:28] <oimon> been told i haven't spent enough this year :(
[15:28]  * DJones sends oimon a bill for "Consultancy services"
[15:28] <oimon> going on a shopping spree for £30k of gear
[15:29] <oimon> "use it or lose it"
[15:29] <Azelphur> oimon: computer gear? :O
[15:29] <oimon> yes ..IT gear
[15:29] <bigcalm> Scuba gear!
[15:29] <Azelphur> awesome XD
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> computers have gears?!
[15:29] <oimon> mainly PCs and printers tbh
[15:29] <Azelphur> oimon: alienware laptop + custom built supercomputer?
[15:29] <DJones> MartijnVdS: glxgears?
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: ...
[15:29]  * oimon is happy with his standard dell desktop
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> DJones: you mean.. glxgears = transparent window?!
[15:30] <oimon> although 2nd monitor/vga card would be nice
[15:42] <selinuxium> Hi all, how is everyone?
[15:47] <livingdaylight> what happened to the spinning cube craze?
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> people got crazy :)
[15:48]  * oimon checks to see if he has the cube
[15:49] <oimon> i can't live without wobble on my windows though
[15:49] <livingdaylight> my windows don't wobble or anything
[15:50] <oimon> it's less of a wobble, more fluidity
[15:50] <gord> whenever i see the apple logo on someones system it always reminds me more of a moon eclipsing a giant apple rather than a bite
[15:50] <CaMason> oh fie - 11.04 installer crashed
[15:51] <livingdaylight> CaMason, have to tread carefully, there are landmines
[15:51] <CaMason> evidently
[15:52] <livingdaylight> everyone fill in their consensus forms? For some reason it is criminal not to do so - can't figure out why. Just had a guy at my door step visiting about it.
[15:53] <DJones> Does rotate cube work with unity? I thought when I looked at enabling it, it brought up a warning message about something having to be disabled
[15:53] <CaMason> livingdaylight, yup, it's a legal requirement. What's more - a US arms company are dealing with all the data.
[15:54] <CaMason> ..which the US gvt could legally access under the Patriot act
[15:55] <livingdaylight> CaMason I don't want to submit anything as a matter of principle; it seems illegal to me to force people into giving information like the one's their asking.
[15:55] <CaMason> precisely
[15:56] <Azelphur> hmm, this is fun. My text rendering is kinda doing every other character
[15:57] <oimon> i don't remeber them asking an particularly personal questions
[15:58] <DJones> Pretty much all I remember about filling in the form is Name, address, age, where do I work, what is my job title, marital status
[15:59] <oimon> yeah
[15:59] <gord> summit.ubuntu.com pages have QR-codes now, thats awesome
[15:59] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-05-155649_3840x1200_scrot.png
[15:59] <Azelphur> what is this madness
[15:59] <popey> thats a url
[16:00] <CaMason> lol
[16:00] <Azelphur> popey: was more interested in the contents of the URL :p
[16:00] <Azelphur> more specifically where half my text seems to have wandered off to
[16:00] <popey> oh, i know that
[16:00] <Azelphur> text, I can only has half of it :p
[16:00] <popey> it's a portable network graphic file
[16:00] <popey> hosted on dropbox
[16:00] <livingdaylight> DJones, all that information they have already. As I say it's more the principle and what baffles me is how they intent to bully people into submitting it, or else...
[16:00] <popey> HTH HAND
[16:00] <Laney> "too much bling detected"
[16:01] <DJones> yay, Desire HD is getting a gingerbread update
[16:01] <CaMason> random characters missing. My Favourite is 'ETWORK'
[16:01] <popey> yeah, you dont have enough CPUs for all those pixels
[16:01] <popey> something has to give
[16:01] <Azelphur> lol
[16:01] <oimon> DJones: how about regular desire?
[16:01] <Azelphur> notice gcalctool is affected :p
[16:01] <Azelphur> pretty much everything is affected, chrome is too
[16:01] <Laney> i am jealous that you get to know the moon's phase at all times though
[16:02] <oimon> i saw a galaxy s 2 yesterday, not bad, rather large but nice
[16:02] <bigcalm> Titter \o/
[16:02] <DJones> oimon: No idea, I just picked up on http://recombu.com/news/htc-desire-hd-gingerbread-update-rolls-out-to-vodafone-customers_M14226.html
[16:03] <DJones> oimon: http://recombu.com/news/will-my-htc-phone-get-the-android-23-gingerbread-update_M13834.html
[16:03] <Azelphur> popey: lol I switched to a tty and back as that usually fixes weird issues, now my display keeps freezing until I do something with compiz \o/
[16:03] <DJones> oimon: Sounds like it will be happening, just doesn't say when
[16:04] <oimon> (Three UK is promising an Android 2.3 update for their HTC Desire customers mid-May.)
[16:04] <livingdaylight> (Three UK is promising an Android 2.3 update for their HTC Desire customers mid-May.) <--- excellent
[16:04] <Azelphur> and now the missing characters are back :D
[16:04] <gord> had 2.3 for a while now, its good
[16:05] <gord> worth it for the (for some chipsets) improved battery life
[16:05] <oimon> speed + battery life eh?
[16:05] <gord> didn't notice a speed difference, maybe slower phones have speed problems?
[16:05] <oimon> hard to quantify though..often a placebo
[16:05] <oimon> like when my car has a service it always goes faster
[16:07] <davmor2> I'd completely forgotten about this wallpaper one for may the forth http://ubuntuone.com/p/r3y/
[16:07] <oimon> davmor2: somebody spent some serious time on that
[16:08] <oimon> i find stock android ugly compared to sense
[16:08] <davmor2> oimon: they did in deed
[16:10] <gord> i find stock sense tacky compared to android :)
[16:10] <brobostigon> just saw a loan advert on tv, 1734% apr. auch, that should be illegal.
[16:10] <popey> no, not at all.
[16:11] <popey> if it's a short term loan then that makes total sense
[16:11] <popey> I suspect the advert was for wonga.com?
[16:11] <brobostigon> popey: i know it representative of the risk they are taking, but still, its is quite excesive.
[16:11] <popey> no, it isnt
[16:11] <popey> at all
[16:11] <popey> A = Annual.
[16:11] <brobostigon> popey: something similer, yes.
[16:11] <popey> Yet short term loans are paid off very quickly
[16:11] <popey> so you never accumulate that amount of debt
[16:12] <brobostigon> true. yes.
[16:12] <oimon> except that you do when you are the sort of person that needs a pay day loan
[16:12] <brobostigon> popey: i think the length they were taking ws a length of several months, load period.
[16:12] <brobostigon> loan*
[16:13] <oimon> if you are short of £50 then you are the sort of person that will struggle to find the £75 repayment next month
[16:13] <brobostigon> talking about*
[16:13] <popey> oimon: generalisation fail
[16:13] <popey> brobostigon: yes, and still not a year
[16:13] <brobostigon> popey: no, true.
[16:14] <oimon> popey: target market
[16:14] <popey> oimon: some people have cash flow problems, or unexpected issues, car broken down for example, days before pay day
[16:14] <oimon> otherwise why would i go to such a loan shark ^H^H^H^H company for £50 unless i was deperate
[16:14] <popey> maybe they dont have a credit card
[16:15] <popey> <- doesn't have a credit card for example
[16:15] <oimon> if they have credit card or easy access savings then they will prob be in a similar position next month - i've read a lot of stories on moneysavingexpert and other sites of real users panicking about what's gonna happen to them
[16:15] <brobostigon> me neither.
[16:15] <popey> oimon: every case is different
[16:16] <popey> I've been in a crap situation where bank balance reached beyond zero, out of my control
[16:16] <popey> being self employed can do that to you.
[16:16] <brobostigon> :(
[16:16] <popey> it's not as simple as you paint
[16:17] <oimon> nothing ever is black and white but there are trends and demographics
[16:17] <popey> there are.
[16:18] <oimon> i don't use a credit card for borrowing, i use it for easily pooling my outgoings rather than cash use which is hard to account for
[16:19] <oimon> although it's sad to see £600 per month go on sainsburys & petrol
[16:29]  * oimon notices Mr A R popey as the top reviewer on amazon for the Aspire revo r3600
[16:30] <popey> haha
[16:30] <popey> thats one of only two items I think I've ever reviewed
[16:30] <popey> the other was an HP printer
[16:30] <oimon> the r3700 is the one to get now right?
[16:31] <popey> i think there's a newer one than that actually
[16:31] <popey> maybe not
[16:31] <popey> there's an ebuyer branded thing isnt there?
[16:32] <oimon> i've seen ehttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/236579
[16:32] <oimon> i need to get one to sit alongside my onelan signage screens
[16:44] <Seeker`> credit cards are useful for getting a credit record
[16:44] <Seeker`> if you don't have a credit record and need to borrow money companies tend to just peer at you suspiciously
[16:45] <X3N> anyone here a fan of Meego (netbook)?
[16:47] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[16:48] <oimon> i'd liek to see that tumbleweed moving
[16:49] <popey> patches welcome
[16:49] <oimon> i don't think meego would work on my eee 701
[16:50] <DJones> Better tumbleweed http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/tumbleweed.gif/
[16:50] <oimon> :D just needs sound
[16:52] <popey> done
[16:53] <popey> someone better at html / css can make it scale properly :)
[16:53] <ixxvil> hi
[16:53] <Seeker`> bah, tumbleweed is blowing the wrong way!
[16:53] <Seeker`> They tumble from left to right. always.
[16:54] <ixxvil> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
[16:54] <ixxvil> Failed to mount '/dev/sdh1': Input/output error
[16:54] <ixxvil> getting these errors when i moutn an ext hdd
[16:54] <ixxvil> i connected it to a different laptop and it worked
[16:55] <popey> Seeker`: flip your screen upside down
[16:55] <davmor2> Seeker`: No you are just sat the wrong side of the monitor
[16:55] <oimon> wow that hurts my CPU
[16:55] <kirrus> ixxvil: is it running NFTS?
[16:55] <ixxvil> yes it is
[16:55] <kirrus> http://wmarkito.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/how-to-fix-mftmirr-does-not-match-mft-record-0/
[16:55] <ixxvil> NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a....
[16:55] <kirrus> Or in other words.. let me google that for you ;)
[16:55] <ixxvil> gives me a bunch of directions
[16:56] <popey> there are two instructions there
[16:57] <popey> install ntfsprogs
[16:57] <popey> run ntfsfix
[16:58] <Seeker`> popey: http://pastebin.com/EQ5wHBp0
[16:58] <popey> hah
[16:59] <oimon> anyone using a type of kiosk mode on ubuntu?
[16:59] <ixxvil> thanks
[16:59] <ixxvil> also how do i do backups
[16:59] <ixxvil> is it advisable to just copy the whole lot to a dvd or something?
[16:59] <Seeker`> popey: \o/
[17:00] <popey> ixxvil: deja-dup is a nice backup tool
[17:01] <ixxvil> ok what does it do
[17:01] <ixxvil> i mean it backs it up where though
[17:01] <popey> where you tell it :)
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> Can I teach unity to only show installed packages/programs?
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> (and not the "Available for download" bit)
[17:06] <ixxvil> thanks
[17:06] <ixxvil> usually backup tools are it just saves all your files to somewhere you tell it to right?
[17:06] <ixxvil> it's the same like writing to a disc isnt it?
[17:07] <ixxvil> if i just get the whole hdd copied to a dvd or something, should work out right?
[17:11] <selinuxium> Hmmm.... Anyone got any experience with grub rescue???
[17:13] <ixxvil> nvm
[17:13] <ixxvil> thanks
[17:13] <davmor2> selinuxium: Nope but there is some good docs,  I'll see if I can find it for you if you want?
[17:16] <selinuxium> davmor2, been reading a doc but isn't helpful... I am getting unknown file system...  think my linux parts are encryted..
[17:16] <selinuxium> davmor2, everything showing as (hd0,msdos6) down to 1....
[17:17] <davmor2> selinuxium: ah pass then sorry
[17:18] <selinuxium> davmor2, np  :)
[17:18] <selinuxium> davmor2, if it is too much bother I will just rebuild...
[17:21] <davmor2> selinuxium: there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[17:22] <davmor2> selinuxium: from grub what happens if you login to rescue mode or is that what you meant?
[17:23] <selinuxium> it boots into grub rescue... i have the first link... will look at the second link... :)
[17:24] <selinuxium> booting froma live cd to find which part the /boot is actually held..
[17:26] <davmor2> selinuxium: so you are dropping into grub rescue shell yes rather than booting?
[17:29] <czajkowski> ok computer why are you randomly rebooting for no reason
[17:29] <czajkowski> what so ever
[17:31] <selinuxium> davmor2, yes... Just tried a manual restore of grub...
[17:31] <selinuxium> finger crossed
[17:34]  * selinuxium does a little dance... :)
[17:34] <kvarley> What program can I use to shrink a DVD9 disc DVD to a DVD5 disc size?
[17:34] <selinuxium> davmor2, Sorted  :)
[17:34] <selinuxium> davmor2, that second link helped! cheers...
[17:34] <davmor2> selinuxium: Huzzah
[17:35] <davmor2> kvarley: k9copy, dvd95
[17:35] <selinuxium> handbrake?
[17:35] <kvarley> davmor2: Thanks so much! I will try them out
[17:36] <kvarley> selinuxium: I don't want to play with settings, just want to shrink the iso like dvdshrink does. Thanks for the suggestion tho! :)
[17:36] <davmor2> selinuxium: handbrake copies it to hd in a format that you won't only doesn't it?
[17:37] <selinuxium> davmor2, yeah, I think so...
[17:49] <Azelphur> omg, I still have that missing text issue even after a reboot
[17:58] <ali1234> funny how its just random letters
[17:58] <ali1234> if it was all the 'o' it would make more sense
[17:58] <ali1234> beginning to wonder if 2.6.28 has some weird memory corruption bug
[17:59] <ali1234> i mean 2.6.38
[18:03] <shauno> it'd be pretty strange for memory corruption to be restricted to freetype
[18:04] <ali1234> true
[18:04] <ali1234> unless it's very rare
[18:04] <ali1234> ie it's not restricted
[18:05] <shauno> if it's still just hitting his fonts after a reboot, it's not that rare
[18:20] <Azelphur> my inspiron duo arrives tomorrow, exciting :p
[18:27] <Azelphur> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu says Ubuntu has "Built-in virus protection", what protection is built in? o.O
[18:28] <kvarley> Azelphur: Read only access to the important parts of the filesystem?
[18:28] <Azelphur> that's more of a resistance than a protection o.O
[18:28] <kvarley> Azelphur: Hehe well idk
[18:28] <Azelphur> when you say built in protection it usually means there's a built in scanner
[18:30] <hamitron> bbl, pub, voting, pub
[18:41] <davmor2> Azelphur: it actually say defence against viruses not an anti-virus,  so AA, separate root, zero open port by default etc are all defences against viruses
[18:42] <Azelphur> I suppose :)
[19:04] <DeathSling> Anyone know anything about vmbuilder?  I have it working on another host (a test host) but I can't get it to work this time round, wondered if it may be to do with a python release (I think I once saw something about it)
[19:39] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: ping
[19:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> pong czajkowski
[19:46] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: want 2 tikcets for the rugby this weekend in twickenham ?
[19:46] <czajkowski> Army V Navy ?
[19:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - hang on a mo. Let me just check? What day/time?
[19:50] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: saturday
[19:50] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: http://armynavymatch.org/
[19:50] <awilkins> ok, UK voters can I ask favour i) if youve not voted yet, please do and ii) can you get snap of the QR code on your ballot paper for me?
[19:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Blast - I can't make it I'm afraid - thanks for asking though - looks like a good day out.
[19:51] <awilkins> I only thought about it after I voted, sadly
[19:51] <Azelphur> no pirate party in my area so I cbf to vote :(
[19:52] <awilkins> Don't even want to vote in AV referendum?
[19:52] <awilkins> (thats what the QR code is on)
[19:52] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: no worries
[19:58] <Ellipsis753> I've been trying to play a video with vlc, it really lags every few seconds, from terminal I go libva: va_openDriver() returns -1, suggesting that it can't work with my nvidia card. Any idea what I should do? I'd quite like to be able to play HD videos. Apparently I should ask here.
[19:58] <ging> name stealer
[19:59] <ging> i got confused as i thought i was talking but it wasnt me
[20:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Future plans for this blog - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/05/future-plans-for-this-blog/
[20:42] <MattJ> awilkins: I'm not sure I saw a QR code on my AV ballot
[20:43] <awilkins> There was one on the left of mine, between the lines. It seemed to have more data than average - one of the larger capacity ones. Wish I'd thought of snapping it there and then.
[20:58] <AlanBell> popey: boo
[20:58] <minarge> boo to you too
[20:59] <AlanBell> we have a team meeting scheduled for aroundabout nowish
[21:43] <popey> evening
[21:43] <popey> oops
[21:43]  * czajkowski hugs popey
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> evening popey :)
[22:23] <dmdrummond> Has anyone had a problem in Natty where when a window should be fullscreen it appears with a gap between the panel at the top about the size of a titlebar, and the mouse doesn't send click events where the mouse is pointing, but offset by the width of a titlebar?  It seems to happen randomly.  I also find some windows trying to appear offscreen.
[22:23]  * MartijnVdS points in the general direction of gord
[22:25] <jibadeeha> dmdrummond, yes this happens to me when fiddling with compiz settings in ccsm
[22:27] <dmdrummond> jibadeeha: just found a bug in launchpad which sounds similar, bug 772762
[22:27]  * brobostigon wonders why ##politics-uk isnt buzzing,
[22:27] <dmdrummond> I love bots
[22:27] <jibadeeha> thanks dmdrummond
[22:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: because you're alone in the channel? :P
[22:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: 7 peopleintheir, but i was thinking peoplewould want to talk aboutthings.
[22:29] <MartijnVdS> Ooh USN-1111-1
[22:32] <dmdrummond> jibadeeha: added a comment and a screenshot
[22:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: AlanBell czajkowski and anyone else near enough to Farnham: http://digitalsurreymay.eventbrite.com/
[22:39] <popey> ooo
[22:39] <jibadeeha> dmdrummond, that is exactly what happens to me when using ccsm ... i have to log out and back in to sort it out .. the only difference is that the top panel goes blank .. thankfully i don't use ccsm frequently
[22:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right. Time for bed said zebedee.
[22:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> NN all.
[22:40] <brobostigon> good night TheOpenSourcerer
[22:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> I hope YOU ALL voted.
[22:40] <brobostigon> yes.
[22:41] <dmdrummond> jibadeeha: usually just unmaximising and remaximising sorts it out for me.  Unity keyboard shortcuts are soooo useful.
[23:15] <wintellect> does unity support the standard gnome applets? If so, how do I access them?
[23:48] <DeathSling1> dont know, sorry.
[23:49] <wintellect> thanks DeathSling
[23:51]  * hamitron burps
[23:51] <DeathSling1> unity, is that the gave dev package?
[23:51] <DeathSling1> game, not gave
[23:54] <hamitron> has anyone here replaced capacitors on their motherboards that often?
[23:56] <DeathSling1> never tried. Dont know an awful lot but I would have thought you'd need to be very careful with the heat
[23:57] <hamitron> yeh, I was just wondering if anyone knew the most popular reasons why they pop to start with
[23:57] <hamitron> I'm guessing bad PSU or shit caps
[23:58] <hamitron> poor quality rather
[23:58] <DeathSling1> possibly heat again.  Servers tend to be very fanned
[23:59] <DeathSling1> but like i said i dont really know what i'm talking about


[07:43] <baptistemm> hello
[07:49] <baptistemm> pitti, hello
[07:51] <baptistemm> pitti, is seems a fix for bug 444420 created a problem for other logitech users (bug 550288)
[08:04]  * baptistemm is upgrading to 10.04 LTS
[08:45] <baptistemm> no one today
[08:45] <RAOF> Many people are travelling, or at summits, or UX sprints, or… :)
[08:46] <baptistemm> okay
[16:27] <Nafai> morning
[16:50] <Nafai> I'm going to be in and out today trying to get ready to travel
[19:38] <pipepupo> Good afternoon. I had install Ubuntu 10.04 and works fine, but when I select the Windows Vista in ->GRUB is showed error: "Not found hal.dll"
[19:38] <pipepupo> How I can fix it?


[00:03] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: why are we syncing package-name-changing versions of cmark-gfm from Debian? (and doko, why are we accepting them?)
[00:05] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ditto libosmorocer
[00:05] <vorlon> libosmocore
[01:52] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, cmark and libosmocore were useful to make stunnel4 migrate
[01:53] <LocutusOfBorg> as well as pygments
[01:58]  * LocutusOfBorg stops issuing rebuilds
[04:23] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: heh I think your process for issuing rebuilds could use some enhancement to detect ones already done :)
[04:25] <vorlon> I recommend https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RKCF6H3KM which I will some day get published somewhere proper
[07:06] <cpaelzer> Hi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/needrestart/+bug/1965090 is looking for a ubuntu-release team FFE ack as well as a  Foundation-team POV review if this matches what you'd want
[07:07] <LocutusOfBorg> sadly the paste doesn't work vorlon :)
[08:49] <ricotz> sil2100, good morning, libreoffice/impish is good to go :) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/impish/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1963279
[08:55] <fheimes> Dear ubuntu-release team, could you please drop/remove zlib 2.11.dfsg-2ubuntu8 from jammy-proposed (LP#1961427)?
[08:55] <fheimes> An incompatibility with HTSlib was detected, I'm in contact with the initial reporter and author of the patch to get that solved, but this might take a while (hence I restart from scratch on this is probably best).
[09:17] <sil2100> ricotz: o/
[09:17] <sil2100> fheimes: hm, let me take a look
[09:21] <cpaelzer> (re-ping) Hi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/needrestart/+bug/1965090 is looking for a ubuntu-release team FFE ack as well as a  Foundation-team POV review if this matches what you'd want
[09:35] <sil2100> cpaelzer: hey! Please set the bug to 'New' or 'Confirmed' before the FFe gets approved, we only look at those - since 'In Progress' means that someone already reviewed and gave a +1 on working on it
[09:44] <sil2100> fheimes: done o/
[10:13] <cpaelzer> thanks sil2100, set to confirmed
[10:14] <cpaelzer> it was "new" up to 3h ago, so we only had a 3h time this was in a bad state to be looked at :-)
[10:20] <cpaelzer> just read your comment on the bug sil2100, thanks for carrying the needrestart case to the team
[10:20] <cpaelzer> FYI I have myself pinged internally last week but got no response
[10:25] <waveform> sil2100, I've attached the seed PRs I mentioned in stand-up to LP: #1947311 -- much appreciated if you can take a look at some point (they should be trivial, but it's seeds so ... you know!)
[10:27] <fheimes> thx sil2100
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pam-ssh-agent-auth (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.10.3-1 => 0.10.3-1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[12:48] <toabctl> sil2100, could you move livecd-rootfs from the focal queue to -proposed please?
[13:02] <lucasmoura_> Hi sil2100, thanks for reviewing our FFE for UA on Jammy, Since this is now approved, can also take a look on the release for the other series as well ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1964028
[13:03] <lucasmoura_> We will only send the Jammy version into proposed after we are sure the release for the other series are fine, to avoid back and forth on the Jammy version of the package
[15:19] <Eickmeyer> Hi release team! If I could get a trivial "ack" on LP: #1965645 that would be wonderful. It probably doesn't even need a UIFe since it's merely graphical changes, but I'm just covering my bases. :)
[15:23] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: ...aaand a fast ACK back to you!
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Thanks!! :)
[16:03] <kanashiro> could anyone from the release team take a look at this FFe bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fence-agents/+bug/1965312
[16:07] <bdmurray> paride: is bug 1961979 still important for our infrastructure?
[16:09] <paride> bdmurray, yes it is, the Jammy ISO testing is only working because utah is using a paramiko version installed with pip
[16:09] <bdmurray> paride: Is that something you might work on or should Foundations take it?
[16:11] <paride> bdmurray, my suggestion is to FFe paramiko >= 2.9.2 to Jammy, going ahead of Debian
[16:12] <paride> bdmurray, I'm not very familiar with the package, I think ideally it should be done by somebody that recently touched it
[16:13] <paride> bdmurray, which means Foundations :) The SRU tasks of that bug won't be easy to fix, but at least we have a way forward for our infra: upgrade our systems to Jammy once it's out
[16:13] <paride> I mean won't be easy to fix in a SRUable way
[16:13] <paride> and we backport stuff to -backports if needed
[16:14] <paride> but I think the Jammy task should be fixed in a proper way
[16:22] <schopin> Hello Release team! Would such changes count as "simple bugfix"? The dh compat bump annoys me a bit :/ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1006587#10
[17:09] <jawn-smith> Is any release team member available for what should be a pretty simple FFE?
[17:10] <jawn-smith> bug 1965585
[17:52] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: The tasks for that bug don't include an Ubuntu package. Is something missing?
[17:54] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: I filed the bug against the ubuntu-image project rather than the package. Is that not the correct way to do it? Does the package need to be added as well?
[17:55] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: Will the deb be upated?
[17:55] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: yes
[17:56] <bdmurray> Okay, then it should have a package task
[17:56] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: I switched it to the package rather than the project
[18:06] <bdmurray> kanashiro: Where are the automated tests mentioned in bug 1965312?
[18:23] <teward> ubuntu-archive: Seems like cjwatson suggested we (backporters) poke you about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/+bug/1965800    so we can figure out how/where this should be fixed.  This is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/+bug/1965758 which is a debhelper backport request, as it depends on debugedit which is disabled / not available for i386 because it's partial-arch and not full
[18:23] <teward> arch
[18:24] <teward> i believe debhelper was supposed to allow debhelper to install in all archs, so this might just be an oversight, but still
[18:42] <kanashiro> bdmurray, the tests are defined here: https://github.com/canonical/server-test-scripts/tree/main/ha/virsh
[18:42] <kanashiro> and they are running in our internal jenkins instance
[18:44] <bdmurray> kanashiro: ack, thanks
[18:47] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: thanks for reviewing that bug!
[19:19] <kanashiro> bdmurray, thanks for the approval
[19:41] <seb128> teward, newer series have a split debugedit source, I don't have the free slots to investigate if building rpm on i386 on focal is what we want, maybe try to check with vorlon
[19:58] <teward> *throws this on vorlon's plate*
[20:02] <seb128> well, he's the one who designed the partial architecture solution and maintained the list of exceptions afaik
[20:02] <seb128> I'm fine adding obvious candidates there but rpm doesn't feel like one
[20:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (impish-proposed/main) [2021e-0ubuntu0.21.10 => 2022a-0ubuntu0.21.10] (core)
[20:11] <teward> seb128: if there's an alternate split-series for debugedit that we can (backport?) then that may be the solution, but this only came up because of the debhelper backport, and they wanted to have it inquired with AAs about potential solutions
[20:12] <seb128> right, I understand the issue, I just don't feel like I'm in a position to decide if rpm is something we should start building on i386, I didn't even check the (build-)depends to see what else would be needed for it to build there
[20:13] <seb128> how difficult would be to remove that depends of the debhelper update if maybe that's another option?
[20:25] <coreycb> it looks like sshuttle is broken in jammy and fixed in unstable: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1003154
[20:29] <coreycb> the only reverse dependency is sshoot which is in sync between jammy and unstable
[20:37] <coreycb> ubuntu-archive: I can upload a merge for sshuttle to jammy if there are no objections
[20:38] <vorlon> teward: my recollection is that rpm on i386 was going to be a very bad idea; I would rather see debugedit pick up the changes from later series, if that's what you need
[20:39] <teward> seb128: removing the dep would be question for waveform (on LP) because I don't know enough about the dependencies.  paride might know more.
[20:42] <bdmurray> coreycb: that's a question for ubuntu-release and seeing a debdiff would help us make an informed decision
[20:44] <coreycb> bdmurray: thanks. it's a new release so there are a decent number of changes. maybe I should just look for a patch to pick.
[20:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (focal-proposed/main) [2021e-0ubuntu0.20.04 => 2022a-0ubuntu0.20.04] (core)
[20:45] <bdmurray> coreycb: That's probably best given where we are in the release process
[20:46] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok I'll look into it
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (bionic-proposed/main) [2021e-0ubuntu0.18.04 => 2022a-0ubuntu0.18.04] (core)


[17:51] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230508)


[00:16] <jrib> can I opt out of ubottu's ban reminders? :)
[00:18] <mneptok> please review the love we shared on that quiet moonlit night on the beaches of Bora-Bora. when i do, i weep gently.
[00:24] <jrib> ok mneptok... back to your corner now...
[02:59] <IdleOne> What is the policy on clones in #u?
[03:09] <elky> clones as in "person" and "person_laptop" for example, or "bot1" "bot2" "bot3"?
[03:10] <IdleOne> elky: I mean clones as in 6 of them
[03:10] <IdleOne> nick nick_ and so on
[03:11] <knome> o.O
[03:11] <knome> same host?
[03:11] <elky> see if you can get the attention of one of them and figure which is the one actually being used. often it's a wayward reconnect script
[03:11] <IdleOne> I can understand why a person would have two clients. like in the example you gave, but 6?
[03:11] <Flannel> IdleOne: That's generally due to PEBKAC, but it's nice to let them know
[03:12] <IdleOne> scroll back to xx:55:58 you will see oblu and friends all quit at the same time
[03:12] <IdleOne> in #u
[03:13] <IdleOne> only one rejoined mind you
[03:15] <IdleOne> Anyway, I take it is ok ask a user to not have so many clients in the channel?
[03:36] <Flannel> IdleOne: yes.
[03:36] <Flannel> IdleOne: Usually you're informing them of something they don't realise (and may have been causing them confusion)
[03:37] <IdleOne> How does one get 6 clients connected without knowing?
[03:38] <persia> Ctrl-Z ?
[03:38] <persia> or just confusion between minimize and close.
[03:38] <Flannel> yeah, it's really easy if you're new to screen
[03:38] <persia> Or several folk with the same username (ubuntu, ubuntu_, etc.)
[03:39] <persia> heh, didn't think about lost screen instances :)
[03:39] <IdleOne> the ubuntu nick I am aware of.
[03:40] <IdleOne> I have never used screen
[03:41] <persia> Could also just be folks with lots of computers not paying attention.  Desktop, laptop, handheld, etc.
[03:41] <persia> (folks like that ought to be pointed to any of the many good proxy solutions)
[06:28] <IdleOne> what does squelched mean?
[06:28] <mneptok> i have no idea
[06:29] <IdleOne> think we are getting old?
[06:29] <mneptok> unless time has stopped, everyone is ;)
[06:30] <mneptok> i wonder if it means "i put you on /ignore"
[06:31] <IdleOne> could be but he has about 3 seconds to change his attitude
[06:31] <mneptok> yup
[06:31] <mneptok> putting ops on /ignore is a bad tactic
[06:40] <Flannel> false alarm.
[07:12] <lhavelund> Could someone s/MenZa/lhavelund/ in !ops-#ubuntu-offtopic
[07:49] <elky> If I could ever remember the syntax, sure.
[07:49] <elky> But sadly :(
[07:51] <Flannel> lhavelund: no problem
[08:59] <jpds> Is #ubuntu-virt support be be invite only?
[09:00] <ikonia> it's been moved to #ubuntu-server
[09:00] <ikonia> consolidated
[09:05] <jpds> Then it should probably forward instead.
[09:06] <ikonia> probably
[09:06] <ikonia> I think it was set to invite to stop people joining it during the consolidation
[09:11] <persia> Amusing really, as #ubuntu-virt was first created because of complaints in #ubuntu-server :)
[09:12] <ikonia> oh really
[09:14] <persia> Long time ago though, so not like a short-term flip-flop in channel attitudes.
[09:14] <ikonia> I didn't think it was
[09:14] <ikonia> I can see some upsides and some downsides, lets see how it pans out
[09:17] <persia> I think combined with be better with current folks.  The breakaway virt folks have mostly either stopped working on Ubuntu directly, or become more involved with the server team as the focus has moved from standalone to cloud.
[09:17] <persia> s/with/will/
[09:18] <ikonia> that's one of the positives
[10:35] <jussi> jpds: [12:34:41] * #ubuntu-virt: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[10:35] <jussi> [12:34:50] * 470 #ubuntu-virt #ubuntu-server Forwarding to another channel
[10:35] <jpds> Oh, I block forwards; so I didn't see that.
[10:35] <jussi> whats the difference?  first I was in server, second I wasnt...
[13:05] <topyli> chonema just joined #ubuntu after troling -ot for a while
[13:05] <bazhang> yep
[13:08] <gnomefreak> anyone know how to change the topic of a channel without typing/Copy-paste. i need to add a line in +1 before the X line
[13:08] <elky> use a real irc client? :P
[13:08] <gnomefreak> irssi -the most real one :)
[13:08] <knome> gnomefreak, type /topic press space twice and then tab
[13:08]  * gnomefreak missing X right now
[13:09] <knome> (actually pressing space once is okay)
[13:11] <gnomefreak> knome: thanks worked like a charm. i have to remember that
[13:11] <knome> np :)
[13:11] <bazhang> Firefox will not make 10.10!
[13:11] <gnomefreak> nope not until next dev cycle
[13:11] <elky> firefox which?
[13:11] <bazhang> any, from the topic
[13:11] <gnomefreak> than lucid and maverick will get 4.0
[13:12] <elky> oh, 4's incoming already?
[13:12]  * elky hasn't been watching
[13:12]  * elky huggles chrome
[13:12] <gnomefreak> yep we have had it in our daily PPA since pre a1
[13:12] <Pici> chromey ♥
[14:05] <gnomefreak> what happened to junji or however you spell it
[14:06] <bazhang> jumanji?
[14:06] <bazhang> ahh jungli
[14:06] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes
[14:06] <bazhang> gnomefreak, still trolling?
[14:07] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i havent seen him. but i asked in #freenode if staff has to approve and account. this is in thinking that his account was killed, what is stopping him from making a new one
[14:07] <bazhang> gnomefreak, he can log on without creating a registered account
[14:08] <bazhang> just won't be able to get into channels with +r
[14:08] <gnomefreak> oh so there is nothing stopping him from coming back
[14:08] <bazhang> nope
[14:08] <gnomefreak> oh well i havent seen him in a few days so maybe he got the hint
[14:09] <bazhang> doubtful, but yeah
[14:18] <gnomefreak> @login
[14:20] <gnomefreak> ok why do i need to be approved? i did this in #ubuntu-mozillateam to cut down on traffic
[14:21] <Pici> Huh?
[14:21] <gnomefreak> Pici: i tried to change !rtfm but it needs approval by the looks of it
[14:21] <bazhang> add it for that channel
[14:22] <gnomefreak> is it because ubottu  isnt in the channel?
[14:22] <bazhang> its ubot2
[14:22] <Pici> gnomefreak: because you're trying to change ubot2, not ubottu.
[14:22] <gnomefreak> bazhang: no just to add rtm to it and not sure if we should add something like and so on
[14:22] <gnomefreak> grrrrr
[14:22] <Pici> I don't see the need to add 'rtm'
[14:23] <gnomefreak> Pici: tell that to the user that tried to get around rtfm by trying rtm
[14:23] <IdleOne> was that actionparsnip?
[14:23] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: no it was darth....
[14:24] <gnomefreak> hold on
[14:24] <IdleOne> ok nm
[14:24] <bazhang> dahkneth or something
[14:24] <gnomefreak> Dahkneth:
[14:24] <bazhang> w00t!
[14:24] <gnomefreak> :)
[14:24] <IdleOne> Good morning to you all
[14:24] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: good morning
[14:24] <bazhang> hi!
[14:24] <Pici> gnomefreak: If anything we should specify that #ubuntu is a support channel, and that we support users there, not point them to manuals when we can.
[14:25] <gnomefreak> i agree
[14:25] <gnomefreak> !support
[14:26] <gnomefreak> that pretty much covers that
[14:26] <persia> Could someone with better bantracker-fu check on the status of Kmos @ #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu ?    I don't mind a bit of ban evasion if he's polite about it (he's taking steps to remove his ban anyway).
[14:29] <Pici> persia: Do you want me to update the mute?
[14:29] <persia> I just worried the ban had expired or something.  Thanks for checking.
[14:30] <persia> No need.  He'll recloak soon enough.
[14:30] <persia> And he's scheduled for review of his ban before the board in a few hours.
[14:30] <Pici> persia: Okay.
[14:30] <gnomefreak> why couldnt i find it using the name provided
[14:31] <Pici> gnomefreak: its not on the bt for whatever reason.  I searched the ban and quiet lists manually.
[14:31] <gnomefreak> oh
[14:31] <persia> Probably because my bt-fu is exceedingly weak (and was back when I set those)
[14:31] <gnomefreak> told you bots hate me and now bt hates me
[14:32]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke to figure out how to fix me + bots
[14:36] <bazhang> fendaril is ban evading?
[14:36] <IdleOne> not anymore
[14:36] <IdleOne> aka gentoo, blobber
[14:36] <bazhang> ah okay. he was the guy joining then calling ops and quitting?
[14:36] <IdleOne> yes
[14:44] <IdleOne> I wonder why he admitted it to me though
[15:09] <IdleOne> can someone forward CTAPOMAK|<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to ##fix_your_connection. I don't seem able to do it right now.
[15:14] <bazhang> heh cant beat idoru for speed
[15:15] <IdleOne> bazhang: I set a straight ban on the above user could you change it to a forward for me please
[15:15] <bazhang> fsdgsfg was klined
[15:16] <bazhang> IdleOne, ctaromuk? he's a regular in -ru I'll check with him there
[15:16] <IdleOne> he's having excess flood issues
[15:16] <bazhang> yep server wide. expect imminent kline
[15:17] <IdleOne> ok will leave as is for now
[15:21] <jussi> IdleOne: whats the issue with detting the forward?
[15:22] <IdleOne> jussi: not sure my client was just not setting it
[15:22] <jussi> IdleOne: do you not know how to manually set it?
[15:22] <IdleOne> I can look it up :)
[15:22] <jussi> would be a good idea ;)
[15:24] <IdleOne> /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:24] <IdleOne> that should work right?
[15:25] <IdleOne> jussi:
[15:25] <jussi> looks correct to me...
[15:25] <IdleOne> it does not get set
[15:26] <IdleOne> ok had to remove the ban first then set the forward
[15:28] <IdleOne> btw listened to your interview in UWN, good job :)
[15:29] <jussi> :)
[15:30] <knome> woot
[16:06] <lhavelund> !ops-#ubuntu-offtopic
[16:07] <Pici> lhavelund: yes?
[16:12] <lhavelund> Well that sucked.  Tethering gets too expensive.
[16:13] <lhavelund> 100mb/month cap ftl :(
[18:10] <MichealH> Hello
[18:10] <MichealH>  m looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[18:11] <MichealH> I was wondering If I can join the ubuntu meeting ops team? Are there any vacancies?
[18:11] <MichealH> Is this something for -irc?
[18:12] <Tm_T> MichealH: AFAIK there hasn't been any need for additional ops there
[18:13] <i0nic> why is #ubuntu bringing me here
[18:13] <i0nic> I dont care to be a op.
[18:13] <Tm_T> i0nic: I was talking to MichealH
[18:13] <MichealH> Are there any channels with vacancies?
[18:13] <Tm_T> MichealH: not that I know
[18:13] <Tm_T> i0nic: one moment please
[18:13] <i0nic> Ahh I see why I'm in here
[18:13] <i0nic> mneptok was mad cause i put him on ignore for trolling me
[18:14] <MichealH> So I should just request to join a team and go through the process?
[18:14] <MichealH> Tm_T, ^^
[18:15] <Tm_T> MichealH: sure
[18:15] <ikonia> MichealH: from a personal note (just my opinion) I'd look at improving your reputation
[18:15] <i0nic> lmao
[18:15] <ikonia> i0nic: please be quiet, we'll get to you in a moment
[18:16] <i0nic> you can take my voice if it bothers you
[18:16] <ikonia> i0nic: no, please just show some self control and be quiet for a moment
[18:16] <i0nic> self control? because im running about screaming with my pants off right?
[18:16] <ikonia> i0nic: please just hang on, we'll be with you ASAP
[18:16] <i0nic> maybe you should work on your people skills, cause they are kinda awful. ikonia
[18:16] <MichealH> ikonia, Okay. Its just because I use IRC alot and use alot of ubuntu namespace channels so I was just trying to help :)
[18:16] <i0nic> sure thing,.
[18:17] <IdleOne> i0nic: this attitude is the exact reason why you are being forwarded to -ops. I see no reasson to remove the ban in #ubuntu at this time. Please /part this channel and return in 48hrs if you want to discuss removal of the ban.
[18:18] <IdleOne> have a good day.
[18:18] <i0nic> Eat a dick.
[18:18] <i0nic> :)
[18:18] <Tm_T> ...make it a week or two
[18:18] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops i0nic offensive and rude towards people
[18:19] <ikonia> MichealH: apologies for the interuption,
[18:19] <MichealH> ikonia, No problem
[18:20] <IdleOne> MichealH: ikonia I apologize for interrupting your conversation.
[18:20] <ikonia> MichealH: anything else you need from the operators in this channel ?
[18:20] <ikonia> not at all
[18:20] <MichealH> ikonia, Nope I was just waiting for a reply (if any)
[18:21] <MichealH> Bye!
[18:21] <ikonia> MichealH: sorry, what are you waiting for a reply to
[18:21] <ikonia> apologies if I interupted a question
[18:21] <MichealH> ikonia, I was waiting for any comments on my lets say "question"
[18:22] <ikonia> MichealH: sorry, what question ?
[18:22] <MichealH> The one about ops
[18:22] <MichealH> (Sorry if im not making sense)
[18:22] <ikonia> please re-ask, I think I may have disrupted the channel flow
[18:23] <MichealH> ikonia: see below
 Hello
  m looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
 I was wondering If I can join the ubuntu meeting ops team? Are there any vacancies?
 Is this something for -irc?
[18:23] <MichealH> That question
[18:23] <ikonia> MichealH: if you look in that URL it tells you how to apply
[18:23] <MichealH> Okay
[18:23] <MichealH> Thanks
[20:29] <mneptok> does anyone have any questions about why i banned i0nic? ;)
[20:30] <knome> why?
[20:31] <Pici> who?
[20:31]  * mneptok gesturesw upwards
[20:31] <mneptok> -w
[20:31] <Pici> mneptok: oh, I missed the conversation.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> you mean, after the above display, there could be questions?
[20:34] <IdleOne> mneptok: none here
[20:35] <Tm_T> mneptok: I think he made it clear himself
[20:36] <Tm_T> unless you had something different in mind
[21:08] <IdleOne> Heads up there are trolls in #freenode posting message in other languages that translate to " I am looking for women to rape"
[21:19] <cyphermox> hi, could someone please change the topic on #ubuntu-testing, it seems to be wrong. it should mention "Beta ISOs", rather than "RC ISOs", and we don't have someone with access to change it atm.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> maverick instead of lucid, too
[21:21] <cyphermox> charlie-tca, hehe, yeah
[21:27] <IdleOne> jussi Pici nhandler ^^
[23:42] <i0nic> Hey why am I blocked?
[23:49] <IdleOne> i0nic: I already told you because of your bad attitude in #ubuntu yesterday and your even worse attitude in here. Like I told you earlier come back in 48 hrs
[23:49] <i0nic> Oh
[23:50] <IdleOne> Now please part the channel
[23:50] <i0nic> what did I end up telling you?
[23:50] <IdleOne> i0nic: I don't use that sort of language
[23:50] <i0nic> Ah
[23:50] <IdleOne> Please part now.
[23:50] <i0nic> U shuld use my IP it would be fun, see how im not cloaked?
[23:51] <knome> what?
[23:51] <IdleOne> beats me
[23:51] <IdleOne> TELL0: unless you have business here please part the channel
[23:58] <IdleOne> nhandler: could you please remove TELL0
[23:59] <nhandler> IdleOne: Done


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