[01:47] <burdickjp> can anyone here direct me to where I can get help with Kubuntu Active on a tablet, specifically an Dell Inspiron ST with an Atom Z670 / GMA 600 graphics
[01:48] <burdickjp> I'm having graphics problems on booting the install media
[01:48] <burdickjp> sorry, latitude ST
[01:48] <LordOfTime> burdickjp:  what graphics problems
[01:49] <burdickjp> screen goes black and system is unresponsive
[01:49] <burdickjp> CTRL+ALT F7/F8 and ALT F1,F2,F3 do nothing
[02:02] <burdickjp> alright!  I am trying to boot the 12.04 install media and it stops with an interrupt problem:  common_interrupt+0x30/0x38
[02:10] <burdickjp> alright.  rebooting 4 times got me to a desktop.
[02:12] <burdickjp> the install media isn't recognizing an NTFS partition on my drive.  I've a 128GB drive with a 32GB NTFS partition.  It sees it as empty.
[02:26] <burdickjp> anyone listenning, this is what I have tried for getting the NTFS partition visible:
[02:26] <burdickjp>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10108749&postcount=9
[02:30] <phoenix_firebrd> burdickjp: what is you kubuntu version?
[02:34] <burdickjp> I'm working on Kubuntu Active 12.04
[02:35] <burdickjp> I apologize, the "anyone listenning" part of that above came across rather rude.
[02:35] <burdickjp> I'm used to Python channels, which move rather quickly, and involve many parallel conversations
[02:36] <phoenix_firebrd> burdickjp: Its the time
[02:36] <burdickjp> I'm not complaining, just saying that my statement was out of place
[02:36] <phoenix_firebrd> burdickjp: channel is active during the day time of american and europian time zone
[02:37] <phoenix_firebrd> burdickjp: you can also try the ubuntu channel, its more active than kubuntu
[02:40] <burdickjp> thank you!
[02:40] <phoenix_firebrd> burdickjp: yw
[04:00] <c2tarun> Hi friends, I am using search and launch view for Kubuntu desktop, I installed aurora, but in the top bar I am still getting icon of firefox. Take a look at this image http://imagebin.org/224373 . Can anyone please help?
[04:20] <amason> c2tarun: perhaps you need to set the default browser to aurora
[04:48] <c2tarun> amason: when I installed, it kind of replaced firefox. so I think it is my default browser
[04:51] <amason> ok
[05:09] <snagglepuss> c2tarun:   hover over firefox icon in top panel and you should see a minus sign beside it....click on it to remove it.    drag and drop the aurora icon from the KMenu to the top panel
[05:17] <c2tarun> snagglepuss: trying that
[05:19] <c2tarun> snagglepuss: I went to KDE menu editor and changed icon from there. Now its coming as aurora :) thanks for help
[05:20] <snagglepuss> yw :)
[07:35] <decci> Hi Guys
[07:44] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:10] <demone> ciao a tutti
[10:10] <demone> chi ce qua
[10:43] <nadim> hi, I am having big prestanda problems when using gimp in kubuntu, it's not gimp, its the windowing, right clicking for a context menu takes seconds, getting menues or file dialogues even longer making it extremelly difficult to use. cpu usage is high, most going to X. anyone having the same problems?
[10:44] <nadim> the problems are not uniq to gimp
[10:49] <hateball> nadim: Is it unique to GTK apps tho?
[10:49] <hateball> nadim: that is, if you fire up Krita, does that work as expected?
[10:53] <nadim> not at home right now, can't test that. firefox takes ages to koad some pages, cpu fans noisy as hell most of the time
[10:53] <nadim> it may be just gtk applications, i didn't think about that before
[10:54] <hateball> It could be some problem with the gtk-engine or something
[10:54] <hateball> Firefox is a pig anyhow, no surprise :p
[10:55] <nadim> I agree with that but the problems I have are -HUGE- I'd go to use windows 3.1 rather than suffer this much, it's sometimes TOTALLY unusable
[10:55] <hateball> nadim: well you can check first if it's only GTK apps, then try to change the widget style, if that makes any difference
[10:56] <hateball> is this on 12.04 btw?
[10:56] <nadim> no, I didn't dare upgrade yet
[10:56] <nadim> although I am constantly reminded
[11:00] <hateball> nadim: That means you're running what?
[11:00] <hateball> I only have 12.04 machines around anyhow, so I wont be able to reproduce
[11:36] <mah454> Hello
[11:36] <mah454> How can install DreamDesktop on KDE 4.9 ?
[11:44] <phil___> what's that ? DreamDesktop ?
[11:45] <hateball> phil___: Live wallpapers
[11:45] <hateball> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHGovxtzfDs
[11:46] <phil___> oh~it sounds cool
[11:46] <mah454_> How can use it ?
[11:46] <mah454_> I thing released with KDE 4.9
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:28] <phil___> Hi BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hi phil___
[12:31] <phil___> hi, what's your time there ?
[12:31] <BluesKaj> 8:31AM EDT
[12:32] <phil___> my time is 8:32pm
[12:32] <phil___> so, BluesKaj, you are in America
[12:33] <BluesKaj> phil___, Canada
[12:34] <phil___> oh, right, Canada
[12:34] <starlook> here in Brazil 09:33 AM
[12:36] <BluesKaj> phil___, Bejing ..right ?
[12:36] <phil___> yes
[12:36] <phil___> BluesKaj, ever been here ?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> 12hrs diff , ...recall when my son and daughter were teaching in taiwan ,,12 hrs diff there as well
[12:37] <BluesKaj> not to Bejing
[12:38] <BluesKaj> this conversation should be in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:38] <phil___> yes
[12:39] <BluesKaj> I'm there
[12:39] <phil___> I have a question
[12:40] <phil___> how do you start applications in Kubuntu, from the menu, the desktop like windows or the dock like a mac
[12:41] <phil___> I wonder which is the most efficient way in Kubuntu
[12:41] <BluesKaj> phil___, install quicklaunch, or a docker like cairo ,
[12:43] <BluesKaj> quicklaunch can be added as a widget, from the cashew -paneltoolbox
[12:44] <BluesKaj> then just drag the app icons from the kmenu to the launcher
[12:47] <phil___> Hi BluesKaj , very helpful info, thanks
[12:48] <starlook> after update to 4.9 by ppa, crash many applications.... and the kdm not start.  after the downgrade to 4.8 by ppa-purge....  now the multi-monitor function over randr not work.
[12:48] <starlook> when i plug a second monitor, work with same screen, but not extend
[12:49] <starlook> in the configuration area......   say:  there not a second monitor
[12:49] <starlook> how to reinstall the randr utility and your dependences?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> starlook, KDE 4.9 official release is available in the backports , sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports. then update , upgrade , and dist-upgrade.
[12:51] <starlook> not work for me. my user not login after de update
[12:51] <starlook> i not performed the "dist-upgrade"
[12:52] <BluesKaj> starlook, that was your mistake , always dist-upgrade
[12:52] <BluesKaj> it upgrades all KDE packages band removes old ones that are no longer needed
[12:53] <BluesKaj> band=and
[12:53] <starlook> when the kde 4.9 will be in the apper or muon list ?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> starlook, have you looked in muon lately for KDE-base <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:00] <starlook> BluesKaj: Not in my list
[13:00] <BluesKaj> starlook, did you add the backports ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> phil___,  look here , http://glx-dock.org/
[13:03] <phil___> Hi BluesKaj, I know cario-dock , it works fine with gnome, what about with KDE ?
[13:05] <nixkid> phil__, see http://glx-dock.org/ww_page.php?p=First%20Steps&lang=en#0-Cairo-Dock 2 with OpenGL support
[13:07] <BluesKaj> phil___, if you install it the necessary gtk libs and dependencied will be auto installed as well
[13:09] <phil___> so BluesKaj, you recommend me to use cario-dock ?
[13:10] <konqui> Hi, In rekonq I am unable to use the address bar as a search bar ... e.g If I want to search linux in google with the address bar and type in "linux", it takes me to "http://linux" which leads to error loading page
[13:11] <BluesKaj> I haven't used it in many yrs , I prefer the launcher ..not as eye candy , but for stability
[13:11] <BluesKaj> phil___,^
[13:11] <phil___> yes, I agree with you
[13:11] <BluesKaj> nixkid, that site you posted seems rather outdated
[13:12] <jdrs> konqui: put a ":" withouht the qoutes before your search
[13:13] <konqui> jdrs: It used to work in 11.10 without that, can I change this setting then
[13:14] <konqui> jdrs: That does not work ... now it takes me to "file://: linux"
[13:16] <konqui> jdrs: Any ideas?
[13:17] <Peace-> konqui: what's the probme?
[13:17] <hateball> konqui: Settings -> search services, enable
[13:17] <BluesKaj> rekonq keeps having script errors on some sites , guess the underlying java etc scripts aren't as forgiving on mistakes as chrome
[13:17] <hateball> konqui: have you checked that?
[13:17] <konqui> hateball: Checking
[13:18] <konqui> Peace-: Rekonq doesn't allow me to use the address bar as a search
[13:18] <SaCruM> Could someone teach me how to change close/maximize/minimize buttons to the left side on kubuntu 12.04?
[13:19] <Peace-> konqui: just leave that crap browser in the repository and use a good browser
[13:19] <konqui> SaCruM: Go in workspace settings
[13:19] <SaCruM> konqui: is that the settings?
[13:19] <konqui> SaCruM: In system settings
[13:19] <SaCruM> konqui: i mean, system confiration?
[13:19] <SaCruM> konqui: ah, ok, and then?
[13:19] <konqui> Window decorations, configure buttons
[13:20] <konqui> SaCruM: There is a drag and drop interface to move stuff
[13:20] <SaCruM> konqui: ok, thank you..
[13:21] <konqui> Peace-: I had bug issues with rekonq a lot before ... but find it considerably better than before except for the search issue I currently have ... otherwise what good qt browsers exist?
[13:22] <Peace-> konqui: qt?
[13:22] <Peace-> konqui: just use chromium or firefox they are the top browser and they work well on kubuntu
[13:22] <Peace-> rekonq its only a joke
[13:22] <konqui> Peace-: Yes using the qt toolkit by digia (previously nokia)
[13:23] <Peace-> even konqueror is better than rekonq
[13:23] <konqui> Peace-: Firefox is slow with many tabs on a netbook ... chromium is good but somewhat not to my taste
[13:23] <phil___> Hi anyone here use "sass", i met an error with it in Kubuntu
[13:24] <hateball> konqui: did you find the setting I suggested?
[13:24] <Peace-> konqui: you will get always pronblems with rekonq because developer are few and there are bugs
[13:25] <konqui> hateball: Yes, I managed to sort it out adding colon to parameter to define search .. thanks
[13:27] <konqui> Peace-: I had that opinion too years back but until very recently I have found it to be an adequate browser
[13:27] <Peace-> so as you wish
[13:42] <netrunner_> hh
[14:11] <Saltire> i've just logged into kubuntu and i think my desktop has changed to gnome - how can i change back to kde?
[14:37] <Riddell> Saltire: ensure the right one (KDE Plasma) is selected before you log in
[14:39] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[14:39] <BluesKaj> installed W7 again for my family's and friend's sakes , since they look to me for computer help. this nettalk client seems quite good , altho on windows the fonts are ugly ..someting I'll have to change
[14:45] <joe_____> ok this quassel is a little better
[14:52] <jaafar> anyone else suffering from awful sound problems the last 4-8 weeks?
[14:53] <jaafar> flash, amarok, both affected
[14:53] <sonic|2> what's wrong with your sound?
[14:53] <Phoenixz> Hello, using kubuntu 12.04, I have a Quadro FX 580 video card, using the recommended nvidea driver in jockey, I have 2 monitors (one on displayport1 over a converter to DVI, a second on DVI over a converter to VGA.. don't ask..)  So system settings only shows the #1 monitor on DVI (to VGA..) not the other one.. Google found that I should use  disper -d auto -e, which enables both monitors, but kubuntu shows them as being only one monitor in the list.
[14:53] <Phoenixz> . How can I have kubuntu system settings show both monitors, and work from there?
[14:54] <jaafar> sonic|2: massive skipping.  starts minor, gets worse as time progresses, eventually cannot play anything (everything comes out super fast) until I reboot
[14:55] <jaafar> I assume it started with some software update but I don't know which one
[14:56] <jaafar> interestingly it affects flash too (videos go too fast) but not exclusively
[14:56] <jaafar> this is 64b 12.04
[14:56] <sonic|2> sorry, jaafar, i have no idea
[14:56] <jaafar> thanks anyway sonic|2
[14:57] <jaafar> Phoenixz are you using nvidia-settings to check monitor status/enable displays?
[14:58] <jaafar> that always worked best for me (vs. system settings)
[14:58] <jaafar> Applications -> Settings -> NVIDIA X Server Settings
[14:59] <sithlord48> when you install the properitary dirver like the NVIDIA one you should always use their tool to change your Xorg settings.
[15:00] <Phoenixz> jaafar: huh :) Did not know that.. checking..
[15:00] <sithlord48> jaafar are you using HDMI by any chance?
[15:01] <jaafar> sithlord48 HDMI? No, I don't believe so... DVI
[15:02] <jaafar> is there some way that could be related to my audio problem?
[15:03] <sithlord48> yes, i get random audio speeding up in VLC (only VLC) but only when using HDMI sound (im using radieon driver)
[15:03] <sithlord48> have you tried anything to fix your audio ? and if so what (so i don't suggest it)
[15:05] <jaafar> sithlord48: someone suggested rm -rf ~/.pulse;sudo reboot
[15:05] <jaafar> I've done that a couple of times; it helps a bit I guess but it may be just the rebooting
[15:06] <jaafar> oh crap I AM using HDMI
[15:06] <sithlord48> check your sound settings in systemSettings->Multimedia->Phonon both device preferences (try the test button after you select your device ) and the hardware setup . be sure its a sane profile/ connector.
[15:07] <jaafar> I thought HDMI was some kind of video cable?
[15:07] <sithlord48> its both video and audio. if you use it for that.
[15:08] <sithlord48> in teh audio hardware setup tab i was talking about above you can set preferances for a profile of a device. in teh device preferences tab you can set what device you want ot use for what kind of sound
[15:08] <jaafar> sithlord48 what would constitute a "sane" setting?  I have no idea :)
[15:09] <jaafar> The device preference tab shows first "Built In Analog Audio", second "GF108 High Definition Audio Controller something something"
[15:10] <jaafar> hardware setup shows GF108 for both
[15:10] <sithlord48> if your using normal computer speakers i would think you would want built in hardware. top of that list.
[15:11] <sithlord48> then in hardware setup you can change eithers settings.  my guess is your currently using that so it selects them as the default item shown.
[15:11] <jaafar> Built-in appears to be preferred as its the first in the list (right?)
[15:12] <sithlord48> yes perfered is first in on the list in device preferences. just be aware of all the different kinds of audio output. it is possible to set a preferred for each kind.
[15:14] <jaafar> hm, still skipping
[15:15] <jaafar> built-in is selected as preferred for all output
[15:15] <sithlord48> ok
[15:15] <jaafar> backend is gstreamer
[15:15] <sithlord48> you could try another backend see if it changes the issue
[15:15] <jaafar> any suggestions?
[15:16] <jaafar> (there is only gstreamer listed)
[15:16] <sithlord48> you need to install another backend
[15:17] <sithlord48> the package  phonon-backend-xine . or phonon-backend-vlc .
[15:17] <jaafar> sithlord48: thanks I will try them out.  You've been a big help.
[15:17] <sithlord48> then you can perfer another  and see if its the backend.
[15:17] <sithlord48> your welcome
[15:17] <Phoenixz> Ok, so I used nvidea settings to get my 2nd display to work, now I have 2 displays, how can I get anything but the desktop to be on the 2nd screen? I have a lot of windows on my screen one that I want to have on screen 2... How would I go about that?
[15:18] <sithlord48> Phoenixz:  your in "Clone" mode change it to another in your nvidia-settings.
[15:20] <Phoenixz> sithlord48: Actually, no, these are 2 separate windows.. not cloned, content is different, screen 1 has windows screen 2 does not have.. screen 2 does not have any windows yet actually, nothing.. I also don't want to use xinerama since that breaks special effects on kubuntu.. So I have 2 different screens now, how can I get window X to run in screen 2? :)
[15:21] <sithlord48> im not sure since i don't use the NVIDIA driver. if its a kde thing you want to check system settings->workspace Behavor and see if changing it to one desktop will do what you want.
[15:22] <jaafar> Phoenixz in nvidia settings you can specify "where" the other screen is (above, below, left/right of original screen)
[15:23] <jaafar> then just drag the desired windows to the new screen
[15:23] <jaafar> your mouse will move to the new display as you move it
[15:23] <Phoenixz> jaafar: yeah, that I have set.. its just that I cannot drag a window from screen 1 to screen 2...
[15:23] <mah454> Hello
[15:23] <jaafar> Phoenixz orly? that is strange
[15:23] <Phoenixz> jaafar: mouse does, window doesnt
[15:23] <mah454> Some applications lost menu icons in KDE !
[15:23] <jaafar> odd
[15:23] <mah454> for example inkscape lost menu icons
[15:23] <mah454> why ?
[15:24] <Phoenixz> It does in xinerama mode, but once that was specified, I no longer had the KDE special effects..
[15:24] <Phoenixz> though, now that I have reversed that, I still dont have the special effects.. yay, way to go nvidia :)
[15:24] <sithlord48> AMD open driver works very nice :P
[15:25] <Phoenixz> I'll start with xinerama again, then see if I somehow can get the special effects back.. BRB
[15:26] <sithlord48> goto systemsettings->desktop Effects -> and try the option there when its crash it should say somethign like "re detect open GL " or some thign like that.
[15:27] <sithlord48> or use Alt+Shift+F12 in an attempt to toggle them back on.
[15:27] <Phoenixz> OK, now I have xinerama mode enabled again, so I can move windows in between screens, but KDE special effects is gone, gives me this: Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available.
[15:27] <sithlord48> are you using the xRender backend?
[15:28] <Phoenixz> sithlord48: Sorry, asking me? I don't know, how would I know if I am using xRender?
[15:28] <sithlord48> check in system settings -> desktop Effects-> advanced : what is your compositing Type set to
[15:28] <Phoenixz> Since this nvidia thing creatged a new X config file, I can only imagine that X should load some libs that are no longer loaded due to the new nvidea xconfig file?
[15:29] <Phoenixz> sithlord48: Was opengl, set to xrender, apply failed with "Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.", "Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type"
[15:29] <sithlord48> and Alt+Shift+F12  ?
[15:30] <sithlord48> do u know what video card you have?
[15:30] <Phoenixz> sithlord48: doesnt do anything at all..
[15:30] <disposable> in kubuntu 12.04 i am unable to use use kmail or kontact. as soon as i start it, i get "KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now. The error was: Failed to fetch the resource collection." I deleted my .kde and logged out/in in case it was caused by my old kde4.3 settings, didn't help. I configured akonadi to use my local mysql server instead of mysql-akonadi too, that also didn't help. what else is there to do?
[15:30] <Phoenixz> lspci says 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [Quadro FX 580] (rev a1)
[15:30] <sithlord48> disposable:  check that you have both akonadi and nepomuk running
[15:31] <Phoenixz> Could it be that xorg is not loading the required libraries ? IIRC, xorg.conf can have required libraries specified
[15:31] <sithlord48> yes it could .
[15:32] <sithlord48> when you installed did u you use the live cd
[15:33] <sithlord48> Phoenixz: if you used the live cd and your effects worked you could possibly the use nouveau driver.
[15:33] <Phoenixz> sithlord48: I installed it using livecd yes, but that was a while ago.. all was fine until I added this extra monitor
[15:33] <disposable> sithlord48: i guess they are both running. nepomuk is indexing my files, akonadi configuration application also says 'the akonadi server is running'.
[15:34] <sithlord48> disposable:  you upgraded from 4.3  to 4.8?
[15:34] <Phoenixz> Since I have no errors in my X org log, I suppose the drivers are simply not being loaded ata all
[15:35] <sithlord48> you can check that open a konsole and run modprobe
[15:35] <sithlord48> sorry run lsmod
[15:35] <sithlord48> that will list loaded modules look for NVIDIA or nouveau on the list
[15:35] <disposable> i had debian squeeze with kde before, then i ran ubuntu with unity and now i want kde back. but this should not affect thsi installation. i moved ~/.kde to ~/.kde.bak (same with ~/.kderc)
[15:36] <sithlord48> i see. disposable did u install on top of ubuntu ? if so be sure you have the kubuntu-desktop package installed you could be missing a part?
[15:37] <Phoenixz> There you go.. in xorg, extensions section has  Option         "Composite" "Disable".. I have enabled it and added "damage", lets see...
[15:39] <sithlord48> also disposable check systemSettings->personal information that where the resource collection can be viewed
[15:43] <disposable> sithlord48: removing ~/.config/akonadi seems to have given it a nudge
[15:45] <Sven_Oostenbrink> Well, looks like Im screwed.. Either I'll have desktop effects, or I'll have dual monitor..
[15:46] <Sven_Oostenbrink> If I reenable the effects, opengl crashes due to driver errors.. xrender same deal
[15:46] <Sven_Oostenbrink> Get me right, I am a linux fanboy, but its 2012, and I still don't have a normal stable, *WORKING* video card driver... :(
[15:47] <sithlord48> stop using nvidia cards/driver.. i have had less and less problem w/ my Ati card for the past few years.
[15:48] <sithlord48> and i never liked ati always had Geforces before.
[15:48] <Sven_Oostenbrink> sithlord48: I know AIT is better, ask torvalds :) Anyway, I got this computer when I got here..
[15:49] <sithlord48> have you tried the nouevau driver?
[15:50] <sithlord48> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix
[15:50] <jaafar> gah, it's not the backend
[15:51]  * jaafar is now running VLC
[15:56] <BluesKaj> away
[15:56] <Sven_Oostenbrink> sithlord48: Not yet, will do so when I have some more time.. Its a little bit frustrating at times :) But thanks for the help so far!
[15:57] <Sven_Oostenbrink> sithlord48: Also, how would I install that one.. looking..
[16:04] <sithlord48> you just ahve to remove teh nvidia driver it you should already have it on your system
[16:04] <sithlord48> look for nouveau in the package manager to find the package so you can see if its installed.
[16:10] <jaafar> sithlord48 actually I think the VLC backend may be better
[16:10] <jaafar> It did immediately skip, but since then it's seemed to be better
[16:11] <sithlord48> good
[16:11] <sithlord48> when vlc mis behaves with my hdmi sound i just change the volume and that will usually make it stop
[16:11] <thecaptain2000_> hi, with KDE9, I have aproblem with desktop effects. When trying to move a window, the windows does not move unless I move th mouse for  a couple of centimeters (one inch) then it just move with no problems. It must be a kwin thing as when I try to move  windows containing windows program (run with wine) the windows move flowlessly. Any idea?
[16:12] <sithlord48> its a bug will be fixed in kde 4.9.1
[16:12] <jaafar> sithlord48 thanks for the tip
[16:12] <sithlord48> jaafar:  your welcome
[16:12] <jaafar> uh oh "mixer cannot be found"
[16:13] <thecaptain2000_> sithlord48: "it's a bug" where you talking to me?
[16:13] <sithlord48> yes thecaptain2000_
[16:13] <thecaptain2000_> sithlord48: cool.
[16:15] <sithlord48> thecaptain2000_:  i was looking for the bug report someone was asking about it just the other day , its been closed and im thinking will be part of the 4.9.1 release.
[16:40] <yaffs> !ops
[16:40] <yaffs> !staff
[16:46] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:22] <danielo> hey Guys, may I ask You about kde 4.9
[17:22] <danielo> I am using it for a few day
[17:22] <danielo> i really like it
[17:23] <lordievader> danielo: Is 4.9 in the repos already?
[17:23] <danielo> in kubuntu
[17:23] <danielo> in backports only
[17:23] <danielo> but it is great
[17:23] <danielo> :D
[17:23] <lordievader> danielo: Better than 4.8.5? Is it stable?
[17:23] <danielo> for me it is great
[17:24] <danielo> but I had to creat a new user with new .kde stuff
[17:24] <danielo> like usually :P
[17:24] <lordievader> Hmm, that ain't so good :(
[17:24] <danielo> no :P
[17:24] <danielo> It works great on old users to :P
[17:25] <BluesKaj> somer ppl forget to dist-upgrade after installing kde 4.9 and end up having problem , U can't understand the reluctance to do so , it's notupgrading the OS justb the kde associated packages
[17:25] <danielo> but I have the same user directory since kde 4.0.0
[17:25] <danielo> :P
[17:25] <lordievader> danielo: Old users?
[17:25] <danielo> I mean user directory since kde 4.6 :P
[17:25] <lordievader> danielo: You mean users from before the 4.9 update?
[17:25] <lordievader> Ah oke.
[17:26] <danielo> or like  me from beginning kde 4
[17:26] <danielo> yeah
[17:26] <BluesKaj> this spellcheck doesn't work very well :)
[17:26] <danielo> I had  a really trashed
[17:26] <danielo> cause I am trying a lot of new stuff :P
[17:27] <danielo> I dont like one think
[17:27] <lordievader> Oh well, perhaps I should try it out someday.
[17:27] <danielo> the bouncing icon of launching app isnt for me :P
[17:28] <danielo> I thing that You should :P
[17:28] <lordievader> danielo: You know a ":P" is not the same as a ".".
[17:30] <lordievader> danielo: Has a lot changed with the update to 4.9?
[17:30] <c2tarun> hey, do anyone have any idea what this error means? http://imagebin.org/224447
[17:31] <danielo> its hard to same for me cause I used kde from project neon (daily builds)
[17:31] <danielo> I thing it is more smooth
[17:31] <danielo> faster
[17:32] <lordievader> danielo: That is always nice.
[17:35]  * BluesKaj stays away from project neon after receiving some apps that broke my system
[17:36] <nsmgo> I'm having problems opening up my default link in chromium; browsers epiphiny, firefox, opera, and chromium are simutaneously installed.
[17:36] <lordievader> Downside of the daily builds.
[17:39] <nsmgo> i have tried using system-settings to select default application, however firefox keeps picking up the links when opened.
[17:42] <Peace-> BluesKaj: are you there?
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Peace- yes , sort of ...on windows  trying fix stuff
[17:43] <Peace-> BluesKaj: have you tried jack ?
[17:44] <Peace-> i have firefox muted now
[17:44] <Peace-> the other stuff works
[17:44] <BluesKaj> Peace- I have tried jack , but not for a long time
[17:44] <lordievader> Jack and PA is not a good combination...
[17:45] <BluesKaj> no jack and alsa work fairly well together , and flash audio and jack aren't linkable either
[17:45] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this error? : http://imagebin.org/224447
[17:47] <lordievader> c2tarun: What happens when you run: sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[17:47] <BluesKaj> I would love to dump pulse audio and have been searching for a method to get alsa and audio on websites to link , but noluck with a pci soundcrad
[17:48] <c2tarun> lordievader: never tried, I even dont know what is ttf-mscorefonts-installer for?
[17:48]  * c2tarun can guess something related to fonts.
[17:48] <lordievader> c2tarun: You are probably trying to do something with wine?
[17:48] <lordievader> c2tarun: For as far as I know it are Windows fonts.
[17:49] <BluesKaj> Peace- what have you done with jack ?
[17:49] <c2tarun> lordievader: I tried and I got that it is newest. I have wine, tried few softwares on it but failed to make them work.
[17:49] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well i have installed and before that audio was workign great
[17:49] <lordievader> c2tarun: And when do you get this error?
[17:49] <Peace-> then everything worked great less flash
[17:49] <Peace-> BluesKaj: ^
[17:50] <BluesKaj> yes Peace- , that's common
[17:50] <c2tarun> lordievader: I dont know, anytime. Sometimes I just notice a bulb in my tray icon. I click on it and I get this screen.
[17:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well so ?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> bbiab ... post/mail box needs checking
[17:51] <lordievader> c2tarun: I have a feeling that when you remove the package the error will fade away, however it might break wine's operations.
[17:52] <c2tarun> lordievader: hmm.. wine is not doing any good to, I can risk it.
[17:52] <BluesKaj> Peace- i mean does jack work without pulseaudio on website audio ?
[17:52] <Peace-> BluesKaj: nope
[17:52] <c2tarun> lordievader: can this be due to virtual box, I have win xp installed in virtual box
[17:52] <Peace-> i just tried to remove pulse and kill it
[17:53] <Peace-> with jack
[17:53] <Peace-> but flash audio doesn't work
[17:53] <lordievader> c2tarun: I think not, what it is complaining about is that the ttf-mscore... package wants to install other packages that are not available or something.
[17:54] <c2tarun> hmm... ok I'll remove --purge it :) thanks lordievader
[17:55] <lordievader> c2tarun: No problem.
[17:56] <Ze_Blob> Hi, during the upgrade 11-10 -> 12-04 muon installed 1500 package or so, fine,  then I was off the computer for a while and when I got back the little window listing the steps for the upgrade was closed, so I thought this part was finished and, as it was asked as the last step, I had to reboot the computer at this stage prior to make a second run of 250 packages or so. My mistake, as the...
[17:56] <Ze_Blob> ...machine was unable to boot anymore, keeping asking for glibc 2.14. On top of that, unfortunately the keyboard of the clevo laptop was reacting weirdly with the rescue mode, and anyway none of the options (to log as root for instance) were successful because of the missing glibc. I would like to know what would be the simple option now to be able to make a "sudo dpkg --configure -a " to...
[17:56] <Ze_Blob> ...finish the upgrade. I was able to start a Kubuntu in "TRY it" mode and mount the /dev/sda1 partition but I had no clue where to find glibc 2.14 to manually copy it for instance... The system has v2.13 and v2.15 is in /var/apt/cache/archive... Havn't found it on internet either. :(
[17:56] <FloodBotK1> Ze_Blob: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:58] <Ze_Blob> sorry, not intended.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Ze_Blob , reboot, choose the recovery kernel , a dialog will eventually appear , choose "repair broken packages" , after the prompt updates and installs the requiresd dependemcies , reboot
[18:05] <Ze_Blob> BluesKaj: unfortunatly as I said it didn't work most of the dpkg and apt command require glibc 2.14 and the rescue mode is all screwed
[18:06] <BluesKaj> try dist-upgrade
[18:06] <Ze_Blob> nothing worked
[18:07] <Ze_Blob> all that i can is mount the system partition from the DVD and chroot it
[18:07] <BluesKaj> chroot-ing doesn't do much
[18:08] <Ze_Blob> and as soon as i try a command in the chrooted env it ask for glibc 2.14
[18:08] <BluesKaj> eveyone thinks it's a fix , it's not magical
[18:09] <Ze_Blob> so i need to temporarily install glibc 2.14 before attempting anything
[18:10] <Ze_Blob> Do you understand ?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> there might be other dependencies , but if you can ... still think the recovery kernel is the way to go
[18:12] <Ze_Blob> the basic binary files seems to all require glibc 2.14 so when i boot with the recovery kernel i cannot do a lot of things if not anything at all
[18:13] <Ze_Blob> The problem is where to find the package of glibc 2.14 ? I can only find v2.15 on the repositories
[18:15] <BluesKaj> Ze_Blob http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10518734/valgrind-doesnt-accept-newest-version-of-glibc
[18:17] <Peace-> BluesKaj: solved
[18:17] <Peace-> BluesKaj: there was a jackd
[18:17] <Peace-> killed => flash sounds
[18:19] <BluesKaj> Peace- without pulseaudio ?
[18:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have pulse audio
[18:22] <BluesKaj> i don't need jack in that case
[18:24] <Charlos> Hello all
[18:24] <Charlos> my pc very old 500 mhz 256 mb ram... this how to make work on install for ubuntu ?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> !xubuntu |Charlos
[18:40] <Charlos> thanks
[18:45] <danielo> I love konqueror
[18:45] <danielo> it is the best web browser :D
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> how do i upgrade to from 12.04 to 12.10
[18:52] <DarthFrog> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:52] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: that doesnt work
[18:53] <DarthFrog> phoenix_firebrd: Then you've probably got your system set up to only go for LTS versions.
[18:54] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: let me check
[18:55] <DarthFrog> Check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.
[18:56] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: you are right, the system is upgrading now, thank you
[18:57] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[21:14] <cooper_> Hey everyone :) I'm looking for a program to sync my music with my iPhone. Do you have any advice? I'm hesited with iTunes via Wine or Rhytmbox :)
[21:15] <cooper_> I'm on kubuntu 12.04
[21:20] <skreech_> Amarok should work
[21:20] <cooper_> I tried but my iPhone is mount as a camera :S
[21:25] <shiretoko> how do I map the super key to the lower left k menu?
[21:25] <shiretoko> alt+f1 doesn't open it either
[21:27] <einseenai> guys, i have installed blueman and awn docks, the thing is there are both gtk apps, and many icons are basically missing. why is that?
[21:28] <einseenai> and what can i do to fix it?
[21:29] <cooper_> shiretoko: I found only my iphone when I check on the available devices :S
[22:17] <epsilonorion> When setting up wireless to autoconnect on boot, it will not connect unless I login, ifdown, and then ifup.  Is there anyway to fix this issue.
[22:17] <epsilonorion> besides simply adding those two commands in the rc.local script
[22:20] <Daskreech> epsilonorion: That's one way
[22:20] <Daskreech> or you can use wicd
[22:28] <epsilonorion> Daskreech: I didn't add that I am doing this all through terminal.
[22:28] <Daskreech> epsilonorion: that's fine. are you comfortable with terminal?
[22:29] <epsilonorion> yep
[22:29] <epsilonorion> just didn't know if wicd had a terminal interface
[22:29] <epsilonorion> or just GUI (Gnome)
[22:30] <Daskreech> far as I know it's a backend
[22:30] <Daskreech> It's used on servers that have a wifi interface so i can't imagine that it would be require something as bulky as GNOME
[22:31] <epsilonorion> thats good, using it on a robot
[22:31] <epsilonorion> I will check it out and see how to use it in this case
[22:32] <Daskreech> ok great :)
[22:32] <Daskreech> WOuld be nice to have Ubuntu robot distros
[22:34] <epsilonorion> I agree
[22:34] <epsilonorion> instead have to use server
[22:37] <Daskreech> server is pretty good
[22:37] <Daskreech> you could do ubuntu-minimal and then build up from there
[22:38] <epsilonorion> when I have more time I will, server just fits the "quick" bill
[22:45] <Daskreech> Yep
[23:57] <doctorpepper> hi guys!
[23:58] <doctorpepper> is there a way  to  have connected removable drives displayed on the desktop


[02:46] <youngbin_> Hello Fallen I just sent a email to Adam to ask about sponsorship payment but seems like his email address not exists. Are there other staff that we can reach out for this?
[04:51] <lp2skyline> heya Fallen I'm sorry I keep missing you
[06:40] <Fallen> lp2skyline: no worries at all, irc can be used async, just answer when you are there and we'll respond when we are.
[06:41] <lp2skyline> Oh hey!
[06:42] <Fallen> youngbin: 302 ilvipero since I am trying (unsuccessfully :) to be away.
[06:42] <lp2skyline> I'm not sure what you mean by "high level community strategy pieces"
[11:33] <Kangarooo> @Fallen dns admin replied he send email 4 days ago with correct dns to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but they didnt reply yet
 "I'm not sure what you mean by "..." <- I believe he means some of the overarching goals we're striving for in the community.
[19:13] <aaronprisk[m]> A good start might be telling us a little more about you and the types of activities you like to do. We may be able to help guide you to a place where you can achieve your goals.


[00:00] <mhall119> dang, lp's bazaar is down
[00:02] <cjohnston> mhall119: any chance you can review my merge to fix summit and then i can try to get it pushed
[00:10] <mhall119> cjohnston: I have a test tonight on discrete math
[00:10] <mhall119> so, it's not likely
[00:10] <mhall119> but if I finish early I will, that and nigelb's branch if nobody's reviewed it yet
[00:26] <cjohnston> ty
[00:27] <JanC> I guess pre-official applications also risk being discarded...
[01:39] <mhall119> cjohnston: any particular order I should review these branches in?
[02:00] <nigelb> morning
[02:27] <mhall119> nigelb: please seem the comments on your summit merge request
[02:29] <nigelb> mhall119: gah
[02:30] <mhall119> sorry
[04:21] <nigelb> mhall119: you around?
[04:26] <nigelb> mhall119: updated branch :)
[06:41] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:08] <AlanBell> mhall119: mootbot-uk is the TCL based bot, a slight enhancement to the mootbot that lives in -meeting, its code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/mootbot/moin
[07:09] <AlanBell> mhall119: meetingology is the new one, based on python and the supybot framework, it is a total rewrite
[07:10] <AlanBell> mhall119: the code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/meetingology
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[12:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: pushed ifequal
[12:24] <cjohnston> im in class all day today, but when i get home ill see if i can get it live if its reviewed by then
[12:24] <cjohnston> ty
[12:33] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mhall119 is there a doc or mail on how to use the meetings thingy on the LD
[12:34] <mhall119> czajkowski: not yet, does one need to be written?
[12:34] <czajkowski> mhall119: well I've been asked how folks are to use it
[12:34] <czajkowski> so I suspect a few simple steps would be good idea
[12:35] <mhall119> ok
[12:37] <czajkowski> mhall119: pop into -ie
[12:37] <czajkowski> :)
[12:37] <czajkowski> please
[12:45] <czajkowski> mhall119: ??
[13:01] <mhall119> AlanBell: so it meetingology ready to replace mootbot-uk?
[13:02] <mhall119> czajkowski: I'm there, now what?
[13:12] <AlanBell> it is pretty close
[13:13] <AlanBell> I would like some more discussion about the formatting of the output
[13:14] <mhall119> ok
[13:14] <mhall119> is that the ideal place to start adding LD integration?
[13:15] <AlanBell> and I know of a bug in the vote system where you can't put text after your vote e.g.
[13:15] <AlanBell> +1 quite agree
[13:15] <AlanBell> would not be a valid vote
[13:17] <mhall119> I see
[13:17] <mhall119> seems like an easy enough fix
[14:06] <nigelb> mhall119: I fixed that problem :)
[14:06] <mhall119> nigelb: cool, I'll take a loot at it later today
[15:18] <czajkowski> mhall119: was gonna say talk to ebel and tdr112
[15:50] <nigelb> cjohnston, mhall119: could you add a description here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions
[16:00] <mhall119> nigelb: done
[16:00] <mhall119> I think
[16:00] <mhall119> 500 error on the wiki again after posting
[16:01] <nigelb> mhall119: great thanks
[18:44] <Ddorda> cjohnston: it seems like my appliance won't get lost after all :)
[19:57] <UndiFineD> does LP have a multi voting system ?
[21:33] <cjohnston> mhall119: ping
[21:39] <Ronnie> thx
[22:36] <_marx_> is there a way to ad a monthly ubuntu hour?
[22:36] <_marx_> to global events
[22:37] <_marx_> sorry hi yall nc team here
[22:40] <cjohnston> _marx_: there is no recurring events yet.. you can copy the event though... so create the first one, copy to #2 etc
[22:40] <_marx_> thx cjohnston
[22:41] <_marx_> how about related global event
[22:41] <cjohnston> Should be the 'Ubuntu Hour' that lists 1/1/11-12/31/11
[22:43] <_marx_> i'm not seeing that option
[22:43] <_marx_> just 1/1/11 0:00:00
[22:43] <cjohnston> then thatsw the one
[22:44] <_marx_> will i be able to go back and edit this?!
[22:44] <cjohnston> yup
[22:45] <_marx_> good
[22:46] <_marx_> krankies coffee, i'm gonna hit the up for some freebies
[22:54] <_marx_> register for this event is not needed
[22:55] <cjohnston> the only reason to register is to have a count
[22:56] <_marx_> implies one needs to register


[02:10] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [06:00] <bzoltan_> are any of the trainguards around?
[06:01] <robru> bzoltan_: one sec
[06:01] <bzoltan_> robru: Do you actually ever sleep, dude ? :)
[06:02] <robru> bzoltan_: on weekends mostly ;-)
[06:02] <bzoltan_> robru: who is your dealer? :D
[06:04] <robru> bzoltan_: I'm high on life! Silo 0 for you
[06:05] <bzoltan_> robru:  that is a good one :) and thanks
[06:05] <robru> bzoltan_: you're welcome
[07:03] <bzoltan_> robru:  Could you please publish the silo0? I just finished the testing.
[07:03] <robru> bzoltan_: fast ;-)
[11:09] <sil2100> davmor2: how's the sanity testing so far?
[11:10] <davmor2> sil2100: I'm testing the factory image I spotted one minor glitch that joc is just seeing if he can confirm for me other than that good so far
[11:37]  * sil2100 jumps out for lunch and some errands
[11:37] <sil2100> o/
[11:52] <davmor2> sil2100: john-mcaleely, jibel: sanity passed on the factory 224, 1 minor issue discovered https://bugs.launchpad.net/content-hub/+bug/1416370 this maybe because the image hw clock is set to 0's and gallery hadn't updated the date, joc couldn't reproduce on a UTC formatted device nor could I on a standard flashed image last night
[11:55] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, davmor2 jibel can we get together with AK when he's awake, and discuss the details of how this will be released?
[11:56] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: oh I don't know about that ;)
[12:00] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: it should be fine :)
[12:00] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, I have every confidence :-)
[12:00] <davmor2> john-mcaleely: I meant the meeting :)
[12:01] <john-mcaleely> lol
[12:02] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  I have a problem. i do not understand why we do not have armhf release of this package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/ubuntu-sdk-qmake-extras
[12:04]  * bzoltan_ is panicing
[12:04] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_:   [30.01 12:37:26] -*- sil2100 jumps out for lunch and some errands
[12:04] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: 30 mins ago :/
[12:05]  * zbenjamin is in panic too
[12:06] <Laney> yes you do:  ubuntu-sdk-qmake-extras | 3.1.1+15.04.20150130-0ubuntu1 | vivid/universe | armhf
[12:06] <Laney> packages.ubuntu.com just shows the main architectures, not those on ports.ubuntu.com
[12:09] <bzoltan_> Laney: you are right
[12:09] <bzoltan_> Get:1 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ vivid/universe ubuntu-sdk-qmake-extras armhf 3.1.1+15.04.20150130-0ubuntu1 [4170 B]
[12:09] <bzoltan_> so why it is not available in click chroots
[12:09] <Laney> The command I used was rmadison -aarmhf -svivid ubuntu-sdk-qmake-extras
[12:11] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  I know what the problem is... how the chroot.py builds the click chroots
[12:11] <bzoltan_> mvo: we have a problem...
[12:12] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: awesome :(
[12:12] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  so the click tries to install the ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev:armhf
[12:13] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: yes
[12:14] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  it feels as if click would install it before enabling the ports sources
[12:16] <zbenjamin> hmm
[12:18] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  wait a sec
[12:19]  * zbenjamin waits
[12:32] <bzoltan_> zbenjamin:  problems solved
[12:33] <zbenjamin> bzoltan_: yeps its looking good here too :D
[12:35] <jibel> john-mcaleely, np, ping me when you want to meet with AK
[13:13] <mvo> bzoltan_: we do? again?
[13:54] <bzoltan_> mvo:  no, nothing...  :D I made my own problem, I discovered it and I have fixed it...
[14:02] <sil2100> Glad to hear that! Don't worry, we all get confused sometimes ;p
[14:07] <sil2100> davmor2, john-mcaleely: I should be back home in an hour, so I would be ready for a meeting if anything
[14:12] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, sounds good
[14:27] <ogra_> pmcgowan, bug 1416293 could need some CSI love
[14:28] <pmcgowan> looking
[14:28] <ogra_> CSI Boston at work :)
[15:10] <ogra_> [15:10] <ogra_> (that is only krillin 224)
[15:11] <ogra_> jibel, john-mcaleely, sil2100 ^^^
[15:11] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, \o/
[15:15] <john-mcaleely> thanks ogra_
[15:16] <ogra_> np :)
[15:18] <sil2100> \o/
[15:25] <jibel> ogra_, thanks!
[15:34] <sil2100> Does anyone know who we should poke during popey's absence for apps like clock-app?
[15:38] <sil2100> nik90: hey!
[16:22] <sil2100> nik90: once you're around - I noticed that the ubuntu-clock-app autopilot tests on smoketesting just all fail basically
[16:22] <sil2100> nik90: for rtm
[16:22] <sil2100> I'm sure it's the same for vivid as well
[16:24] <popey_> Hey sil2100 pinged about clock?
[16:24] <popey_> Did he get an answe
[16:24] <popey_> +r?
[16:24] <sil2100> popey_: hey! :)
[16:25] <sil2100> popey_: didn't get an answer yet, but it's about autopilot tests for the clock-app
[16:25] <sil2100> They seem to be failing badly on rtm (both mako and krillin)
[16:25] <popey_> What is the issue?
[16:26] <popey_> Is balloons about?
[16:26]  * balloons is quietly looking at it
[16:27] <popey_> Thanks
[16:27] <brendand> sil2100, on device they've been failing for a long time
[16:27] <brendand> sil2100, it's because of the location prompt
[16:27] <balloons> interesting
[16:28] <brendand> here's a fix but it's not really right: https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-clock-app/disable_location_prompt/+merge/242682
[16:38] <sil2100> brendand: thanks!
[16:42] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, brendand, ogra_: anything important needed to discuss today?
[16:42] <ogra_> not from me
[16:42] <ogra_> do you want to skip ?
[16:43] <davmor2> we need to party like it's 1999 but other than that not that I'm aware of oh Vivid is broken no wifi
[16:43] <sil2100> I'm thinking about it, since maybe it would be nice to relax a bit from meetings today since the milestone has been reached
[16:43] <ogra_> hahahahahaha
[16:44]  * ogra_ is in meetings back to back since 2h already
[16:44] <sil2100> Sorry for the sarcasm then
[16:44] <sil2100> ;)
[16:44] <nik90> sil2100: hey sry, I am in India for the next 2 weeks on personal hols. I can only take a look after I come back
[16:44] <sil2100> nik90: hey! Thanks, no worries, it seems to be a known issue
[16:45] <ogra_> nik90, oh, not coming to london ?!?
[16:45] <nik90> ogra_: I can't :/  .. This was a rather urgent trip that I had to take
[16:45] <ogra_> damn
[16:56] <davmor2> sil2100: so no meeting then just to be clear on this?
[16:57] <davmor2> sil2100: I'm not sure if john-mcaleely invites Alex to it
[16:57] <john-mcaleely> davmor2, sil2100 no meeting
[16:59] <sil2100> davmor2, jibel, john-mcaleely, ogra_, robru, brendand: let's cancel this meeting then
[16:59] <sil2100> Have a nice evening ;)
[16:59] <davmor2> \o/
[16:59] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ack
[17:00] <robru> sil2100: sounds good to me!
[17:00] <sil2100> hmmm
[17:00]  * sil2100 looks if he can cancel the events on the calendar
[17:00] <ogra_> sil2100, enjoy
[17:00] <sil2100> ogra_: still lots of things to do sadly ;)
[17:01] <ogra_> same here
[17:01] <sil2100> Happy Friday o/
[17:32] <robru> infinity: hey, when you get a sec, can you go into the archive account at snakefruit, edit ~/cu2d/run.sh, and s/<IP_ADDRESS>/jenkins.ci-train.ubuntu.com/ ? We'll be migrating away from that IP shortly, and the domain already points at that IP for now, so it should be harmless to edit that now rather than later.
[17:58] <cyphermox> robru: do you have a few landings where it would be useful to kick off another vivid image? I've just uploaded a fixed NM for a wifi issue on mako, it might be good to get that out asap... though not just now since it's not yet made it to the release.
[17:59] <sil2100> cyphermox: I would say let's build a new image
[17:59] <sil2100> The wifi brokenness is top priority
[17:59] <cyphermox> ok, but like I said, not just now ;)
[17:59] <cyphermox> it's vivid, so I can trigger it once things are ready.
[17:59] <sil2100> Not much landing today, but yeah, once you have the fix migrated I'm +1 on that ;)
[17:59] <cyphermox> cool.
[18:01] <infinity> robru: Ahh, I was under the impression I was doing the switch at 2000UTC.
[18:03] <infinity> robru: Done.  I assume you don't need me now, you'll just get IS to do the switch in DNS when the time comes?
[18:03] <infinity> robru: And revert the same if things go badly?
[18:13] <robru> infinity: yeah, exactly. I originally thought I needed you at 2000UTC to change IPs, but now that I've learned we had this DNS all along, yeah, IS can just cutover the DNS and cut back if necessary.
[18:13] <robru> infinity: thanks!
[18:23] <robru> dbarth_: https://code.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/signon-plugin-oauth2/packaging/+merge/247826 need your approval here
[18:29] <robru> boiko: I see you have a build job running, that's fine, but just so you know we're taking the train offline for maintenance in 1.5 hours.
[19:08] <boiko> robru: that's fine, will the PPAs be off too?
[19:09] <robru> boiko: no no, the PPAs are fine. it's just jenkins itself going down
[19:09] <boiko> robru: that's ok, I think the job will still finish before that
[19:10] <robru> boiko: looks like it's already done ;-)
[19:10] <boiko> robru: actually, it is finished already
[19:10] <boiko> robru: yep, thanks for the heads up :)
[19:10] <robru> boiko: but if something goes wrong and you need to rebuild, better sneak that in now rather than later ;-)
[19:11] <boiko> robru: that's ok, that silo will still take quite some time to land, I won't finish until Monday
[19:11] <robru> boiko: ok cool
[19:14] <davmor2> sil2100: did you kick a new imag eyet for vivid?
[19:14]  * sil2100 looks into the proposed pocket
[19:14] <davmor2> sil2100:  there is another bug in vivid too for some reason the volume osd pops up on boots
[19:15] <sil2100> davmor2: it seems network-manager still didn't migrate
[19:15]  * davmor2 shakes his fist at cyphermox it's bound to be his fault ;)
[19:16] <sil2100> davmor2: the autopkgtests are still running ;)
[19:16] <sil2100> Anyway, cyphermox is on it and he'll build a new image once he sees his package migrated
[19:16] <cyphermox> yeah, just give it time ;)
[19:18] <davmor2> sil2100, cyphermox: Man now I have to be patient too, you guys are so demanding ;)
[19:19]  * cyphermox shakes fist at autopkgtests
[19:20] <cyphermox> amd64 still sometimes time out
[19:31]  * davmor2 hands cyphermox the blame pointy stick and points him in pitti's direction, He has EOW'd so it's no good to you but meh you know it's the thought that counts ;)
[19:31] <cyphermox> no, it's not his fault either
[19:34] <cyphermox> augh
[19:35] <cyphermox> timed out again, just on amd64... the timeout should already be way long enough
[19:43] <robru> charles: bad timing I'm afraid, train is going down in 15
[19:44] <charles> robru, no worries
[19:44] <charles> just getting it in the spreadsheet for when train comes back
[19:44] <robru> charles: ok cool. shouldn't be too too long
[20:00] <kenvandine> charles, thanks for adding the landing to the spreadsheet
[20:01] <kenvandine> charles, but we shouldn't mark it as tested yet, we haven't tested the build in the silo
[20:01]  * charles unsets that cell
[20:01] <kenvandine> not that the results should be different :)
[20:02] <kenvandine> thx
[20:02] <charles> they shouldn't be different, but you're right; there's the procedure
[20:43] <robru> charles: kenvandine: ok queuebot and the dashboard haven't caught up with the new train yet, but I assigned you guys silo 6 and triggered a build just to make sure stuff is working. please don't trigger any jobs yet but you can watch the build if you want: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-006-1-build/117/console
[20:45] <robru> charles: kenvandine: heh, spoke too soon, seems like the firewall is blocking some critical connections yet
[20:46] <kenvandine> robru, thx
[20:46] <robru> kenvandine: you're welcome!
[20:56] <alex-abreu> robru, so we cannot build yet?
[20:56] <robru> alex-abreu: no it won't work yet
[20:57] <alex-abreu> robru, yeah I tried a few times unsuccessfully and saw your discussion w/ kenvandine above
[20:57] <robru> alex-abreu: what silo?
[20:57] <alex-abreu> robru, 28
[20:58] <robru> alex-abreu: k, same error I got with ken
[21:30] <robru> well, there's queuebot and the dashboard working ;-)
[21:31] <robru> just one last hole to poke in the firewall and then it should all be good to go
[21:44] <robru> bfiller: ooooh nice timing, will attempt to publish that shortly (just getting the last of the train back online)
[21:49] <bfiller> robru: nice
[21:53] <alex-abreu> robru, will it be possible to build soonish?
[21:56] <robru> alex-abreu: yeah should be.
[21:58] <robru> alex-abreu: it's just a firewall issue, I don't understand what firewall IS uses but it takes like 30 minutes for changes to take effect, so it's a bit slow for us to keep iterating on this until it works
[22:00] <robru> alex-abreu: if you want to follow along, watch this page: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/cyphermox-test/546/console when that eventually succeeds, it'll be safe to try your build job
[22:07] <robru> alex-abreu: ok try now
[22:15] <cyphermox> robru: so you rebuilt all of citrain?
[22:15] <robru> cyphermox: rebuilt? no
[22:15] <robru> redeployed
[22:15] <cyphermox> fwiw, I'd kick off an image now unless you feel it's a bad idea?
[22:15] <cyphermox> it's to fix the wifi issue
[22:15] <robru> cyphermox: I have no opinion on the image building situation
[22:15] <cyphermox> ok
[22:25] <imgbot> [22:35] <robru> alex-abreu: ^^ I can think of no reason that this one would fail
[22:47] <robru> kenvandine: hey are you around? what happened in silo 15? you triggered a build there?
[22:55] <robru> hm, phantom status
[22:59] <robru> alex-abreu: ^ success
[23:25] <robru> infinity: around? seems like excuses hasn't been updated in nearly an hour and half. can you check on that?
[23:45] <imgbot> [23:45] <imgbot>


[00:15] <CajunTechie> Hello everyone. Does anyone know of any tutorals for access things like notifications in languages other than the ones officiall supported and documented?
[20:09] <IDWMaster> Hi
[20:10] <IDWMaster> I have a function in a vtable called GetLength
[20:10] <IDWMaster> It's a virtual function which gets the length of a file
[20:11] <IDWMaster> When I'm within the scope of the function; everything works properly, but when I return the length of the file, the caller is always receiving 0
[20:11] <IDWMaster> I'm wondering why this is happening, and what I could be doing wrong.
[20:11] <IDWMaster> struct stat statbuff;
[20:11] <IDWMaster> 			statbuff.st_size = 50;
[20:11] <IDWMaster> 			stat(fname,&statbuff);
[20:11] <IDWMaster> 			inst->GetConsole()->WriteLine((double)statbuff.st_size);
[20:11] <IDWMaster> 			return statbuff.st_size;
[20:11] <IDWMaster> Printed value is correct
[20:11] <IDWMaster> return value is always 0
[20:12] <IDWMaster> Also; gdb can't properly debug it
[20:12] <IDWMaster> Meaning I set a breakpoint and the breakpoint is never hit but the code still gets executed
[20:14] <IDWMaster> Any ideas?
[20:14] <IDWMaster> I'm passing the return value through an ABI boundary by the way
[20:15] <IDWMaster> Not sure if that has anything to do with it or not
[20:18] <IDWMaster> Is this the right channel for these kinds of questions?


[02:53] <enrico> hello.  Anyone around?
[02:54] <enrico> Who is around, please write "supercalifragilisticespiralidocious" and "cokadoodledoo" in the channel without misspellings
[02:54] <enrico> I want to see names, so that I can contact whoever is active via private query to send the password to claim a big prize :)
[03:19] <sivang> supercalifragilisticespiralidocious
[03:19] <sivang> cokadoodledoo
[03:20] <enrico> sivang: Ehy!  Hello!  Compliments!  You win the prize, I'll query you now.
[03:20] <enrico> The contest is still open for the others!
[03:25] <enrico> sivang: you still there?  Please confirm than I'm not completely joking, or I'll look like a crazy :)
[04:15] <sivang> enrico: yes
[04:17] <enrico> Well, it seems that it's only me and you active in the channel anyway :)
[04:19] <sivang> enrico: well, that's a shame :-( I am acutally still busy with g-s-t, but try to be responsive for news update to the main site,
[04:19] <sivang> and approach new people when they come here.
[04:23] <enrico> what do you mean "news update"?
[04:23] <sivang> when there are nice news to put on the main site , like the arstechnica awards that  Kevin send etc..
[04:23] <enrico> Oh, so you are taking care of that?  Cool!!
[04:24] <sivang> the least I could do..
[04:44] <sivang> enrico: still here?
[04:45] <sivang> enrico: I wonder where from you know how to spell those word.s..
[04:46] <enrico> I'm here
[04:46] <enrico> you can use dict
[04:46] <sivang> hehe ok
[04:47] <enrico> and I probably have misspelt them, but I was so loud that noone (well you) didn't care to check :)
[04:49] <sivang> yeah right, I thought the price was getting a job ;-)
[08:39] <khinester> hello
[08:40] <khinester> i have setup an ubuntu server, but i am having difficulty in accessing the apache web directory via WEbDAV or FTP
[08:40] <khinester> how do i set this up securely?


[01:09] <igc> morning
[01:51] <abadger1999> lkoggerhead question -- Is it possible to configure it to serve on a subdiretory?
[01:52] <abadger1999> *loggerhead
[01:52] <abadger1999> Like this:
[01:52] <abadger1999> http://localhost/bzr/myproject/branch-foo
[01:53] <abadger1999> I haven't been able to move it away from  this style of url http://localhost/myproject/branch-foo
[01:56] <lifeless> abadger1999: yes, python-paste permits this
[01:56] <lifeless> sorry pastedeploy
[01:57] <abadger1999> lifeless: Do you know the config option I'd need to change?
[01:57] <lifeless> not offhand
[01:57] <lifeless> uhm
[01:57] <lifeless> are you using WSGI, serve-branches or bzr serve --http ?
[01:57]  * abadger1999 is also aiming to get this working with mod_wsgi... but that would come after getting it working at all.
[01:58] <abadger1999> mod_wsgi is my goal but I've experimented with both of the others.
[01:58] <lifeless> abadger1999: I wouldn't sequence things like that; just aim directly at your goal
[01:58] <lifeless> wsgi apps can be layer
[01:58] <abadger1999> lifeless: Alright -- mod_wsgi :-)
[01:58] <lifeless> to do path manipulation etc in containing apps
[02:02] <lifeless> look for PrefixMiddleware in serve-branches
[02:03] <mwhudson> abadger1999: serve-branches --prefix should do that, how are you proxying to it?
[02:04] <abadger1999> mwhudson: I'm not proxying.  My last bit of trying has been based on this: http://blog.projectfondue.com/2009/11/26/loggerhead-and-mod-wsgi
[02:05] <mwhudson> abadger1999: then --prefix bzr should Just Work, i think
[02:06] <abadger1999> lifeless: There's no PrefixMiddleware in serve-branches -- the wsgi script I was using has PrefixMiddleware(app, prefix='')
[02:06] <abadger1999> Changing that to prefix='/bzr' didn't work out very well.
[02:06] <abadger1999> It made the front page correct but links to subpages had no /bzr in the url.
[02:07]  * abadger1999 tries serve-branches --prefix
[02:10] <lifeless> hmm my trunk of loggerhead must be stale
[02:12] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Pretty good.  It's interesting that it's serving on both /bzr and / but the links look consistent
[02:12]  * abadger1999 looks at code
[02:12] <lifeless> igc: $ bzr pull
[02:12] <lifeless> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~loggerhead-team/loggerhead/trunk/
[02:12] <abadger1999> I'm using the 1.17 release right now.
[02:12] <lifeless> No revisions to pull.
[02:12] <lifeless> my serve-branches has prefix middleware
[02:12] <abadger1999> So it might be that things have changed since then
[02:12] <lifeless> revno 345
[02:13] <mwhudson> lifeless: that's not lp:loggerhead any more
[02:13] <lifeless> mwhudson: oh
[02:13] <lifeless> mwhudson: what is then ?
[02:13] <lifeless> and why did it change?
[02:13] <mwhudson> lifeless: i think it's called trunk-ric
[02:14] <mwhudson> lifeless: and it was to do with upgrading to 2a
[02:14] <lifeless> ugh
[02:14] <mwhudson> it wasn't me
[02:14] <lifeless> I do so hate that approach
[02:14] <lifeless> no, I know
[02:14] <lifeless> its the approach thumper and igc advocated, IIRC
[02:14] <thumper> ?
[02:15] <igc> lifeless: I agree it's annoying that lp:xxx can change and we don't follow the new location
[02:16] <igc> I'm pretty sure there's a bug for that
[02:17] <thumper> I think bzr should store the url for before and after resolution
[02:17] <thumper> and warn the user if they change
[02:17] <thumper> or something
[02:17] <igc> thumper: it only stores the "after resolution" info right now
[02:18] <thumper> igc: right
[02:19] <lifeless> there is a bug about us storing the directory service url
[02:19] <lifeless> however I'm complaining about the manner of upgrade where a new branch is used
[02:19] <igc> lifeless: I got that
[02:19] <lifeless> which does, I admit, interact with that bug.
[02:20] <lifeless> however, even if we had fixed that bug, people following our docs that don't use launchpad would still have the same pain.
[02:45]  * igc out for a few hours
[03:05] <mwhudson> jelmer: looks like you fixed that problem you talked about earlier?
[03:18] <lifeless> thumper: have you looked at any rich root branches rev 1 in loggerhead before ?
[03:19] <thumper> lifeless: no, but I used diff locally
[03:19] <thumper> lifeless: I'll check now
[03:19] <thumper> it could be a bug in loggerhead
[03:19] <lifeless> I branches the branch you're complaining about
[03:19] <lifeless> it checks clean
[03:19] <lifeless> st -r 0..1 is clean
[03:20] <lifeless> diff -c 1 is clean
[03:20] <thumper> weird
[03:20] <thumper> ok, not a bzr-hg bug then
[03:20] <lifeless> the / is simply the root id being added, its normal, and IMO not a serious bug that loggerhead shows it
[03:20] <thumper> must be a loggerhead display bug
[04:32] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Ah.... I vaguely remember this issue.
[04:33] <abadger1999> mwhudson: For some reason loggerhead doesn't handle URLs without a trailing "/" quite right.
[04:34] <abadger1999> mwhudson: With mod_wsgi and clicking on a directory of branches (as opposed to directly onto a branch), it goes to http://localhost/bzr/python-fedora <= no trialing slash
[04:34] <abadger1999> mwhudson: That redirects to http://localhost/python-fedora/
[04:34] <mwhudson> abadger1999: that's quite strange
[04:35] <abadger1999> mwhudson: So something is dropping the '/bzr/' in there
[04:35] <mwhudson> abadger1999: do you have a prefixmiddleware in your wsgi stack?
[04:35] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Using serve-branches --prefix yields a slightly different issue.
[04:35] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Yeah Letme upload the script
[04:36] <mwhudson> abadger1999: what i know about mod_wsgi setup could fit quite comfortably on the back of a postage stamp, btw
[04:36] <abadger1999> http://toshio.fedorapeople.org/loggerhead.wsgi
[04:37] <abadger1999> This line probably isn't needed: os.environ['loggerhead.static.url'] = '/bzr'
[04:38] <abadger1999> mwhudson: So serve-branches.... I invoke it like this:  serve-branches --prefix bzr /var/www/bzr
[04:38] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Then if I browse to http://localhost/bzr  <= No trailing slash
[04:38] <abadger1999> mwhudson: There's no /bzr/ in the urls
[04:41] <mwhudson> abadger1999: i know that pastedeploy expects that the /bzr part of the path is in the script_url in the environment that it sees
[04:41] <mwhudson> abadger1999: is that something you can control from the mod_wsgi side?
[04:41] <mwhudson> maybe i mean path_info there
[04:42] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Hmm... Let me see if I can
[04:42]  * abadger1999 knows how to do that for TurboGears apps
[04:44] <mwhudson> jelmer: ayt?
[05:03] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Huh.... I'm a little bit stumped... I've got script_name as /bzr and path_info as /stats/changes or etc... seems to work.
[05:03] <mwhudson> abadger1999: hmm
[05:03] <abadger1999> mwhudson: But when I go to /bzr/python-fedora my instrumented wsgi script doesn't seem to get invoked at all.
[05:03] <mwhudson> well working > understanding i guess :)
[05:03] <mwhudson> ah
[05:04] <abadger1999> And that gets redirected to /python-fedora where it fails.
[05:04] <mwhudson> that sounds like an apache/mod_wsgi problem then?
[05:04] <abadger1999> So ....  it seems like something is doing the redirect before the wsgi app.
[05:04] <abadger1999> I'm going to pursue that until I find out different :-)
[05:24] <abadger1999> mwhudson: Okay... this gets stranger although it's still not looking like loggerhead's fault => firefox doesn't work but wget redirects correctly.
[05:25] <mwhudson> abadger1999: sounds like you either need to go to bed or get drunk :-)
[05:25] <abadger1999> mwhudson: yeah, I'm going to second that.
[05:25] <abadger1999> Thanks for the help!
[05:25] <mwhudson> abadger1999: np
[05:29] <fullermd> Why is this an "or"?  Does nobody have the foresight to have a wet bar built in to the nightstand?
[05:31] <AndrewLuecke> G'day, does bazaar have a way to restrict&control SSH access?
[05:32] <AndrewLuecke> aah.. nevermind..
[05:32] <AndrewLuecke> Got it ..
[06:42] <igc> back
[06:50] <mwhudson> igc: hi
[06:50] <igc> hi mwhudson
[06:51] <mwhudson> igc: i just wanted to encourage you to just make/land changes to loggerhead trunk if you feel they are improvements
[06:52] <igc> mwhudson: ok. I'm hoping to start looking at the loggerhead stuff any day now - building a Windows 2.2 installer currently
[06:53] <mwhudson> igc: ah ok
[06:53] <mwhudson> igc: loggerhead should be more fun than that :)
[06:53] <igc> mwhudson: I've been reading up on WebOj and Chameleon while up at the hospital in recent days as well
[06:53] <igc> mwhudson: yes :-)
[06:54] <mwhudson> i've been feeling bad for being a slack maintainer lately, and it looks like i'll be getting even less time for it
[06:54] <mwhudson> igc: i think chameleon is probably a pure win if we can keep streaming
[06:54] <mwhudson> simpletal is kinda horrible
[06:54] <igc> mwhudson: np. I'll be sure to ping you asking for advice if I have any concerns about changes
[06:55] <mwhudson> igc: cool
[06:55] <igc> mwhudson: yeah, I find TAL+TALES+METAL a lot less readable than jinja2 but I'll survive :-)
[06:56] <igc> mwhudson: I'm curious about the stability issues as well
[06:56] <mwhudson> well if you want to rewrite all the templates...
[06:56] <mwhudson> igc: so are we all, i think
[06:56] <igc> mwhudson: is there a 60 second summary of what not to touch, e.g. the threading code?
[06:58] <mwhudson> igc: i'd consider most of it fair game i guess :)
[06:59] <mwhudson> igc: the code for the url dispatch, information gathering and rendering stages is fairly separate
[06:59] <mwhudson> igc: the problems tend to be in the middle stage, unsurprisingly, so it's probably best to at least be careful there
[07:00] <igc> mwhudson: by middle, you mean "info gathering"?
[07:00] <igc> the "interfacig to bzrlib" bit?
[07:00] <mwhudson> igc: yes
[07:02] <igc> mwhudson: ok
[07:17] <mkanat> I'm seeing a lot of what seem to be spurious merge conflicts when I try to update a bzr branch from Bugzilla 3.4 to Bugzilla 3.6.
[07:17] <mkanat> Perhaps there's some documentation that I haven't read?
[07:39] <AndrewLuecke> Sorry to bug you guys again.. But we are branching a SVN tree into bzr, and would like to still be able to pull off their tree, as well as maintain history.. I assume  bzr-svn is the best way of doing this?
[07:39] <mwhudson> AndrewLuecke: yes
[07:39] <AndrewLuecke> ok.. cool..
[07:54] <AndrewLuecke> This is SOOOO much nicer than mercurial's and gits way of doing it
[07:55] <AndrewLuecke> I've spent the last 4 days on this.. And this is soooo streamlined
[07:55]  * AndrewLuecke has become a fanboy suddenly
[08:26] <igc> hi bialix
[08:26] <bialix> hi igc!
[08:26] <bialix> glad to see you
[08:26] <igc> bialix: ditto
[08:27] <bialix> I've used explorer yesterday on colo workspace. nice work with context menu
[08:27] <igc> bialix: if you get some time soon, can you try the latest bzr-windows-installers scripts?
[08:28] <bialix> I think we need even better support for colo
[08:28] <igc> +1 from me on that
[08:28] <bialix> igc: perhaps on weekends only
[08:28] <bialix> is it ok for you?
[08:28]  * bialix trying to finish main work to be able attend UDS
[08:29] <igc> bialix: whenever suits you is good. I'm trying to get a bzr 2.2 build with Python 2.6 (and I'm struggling)
[08:29] <bialix> igc: I need to make auto-generated en.po translation to be LF-only as well. is it still a problem?
[08:30] <igc> bialix: no, I think the problem is elswwhere
[08:30] <igc> elsewhere
[08:30] <bialix> python 2.6... I've tried to avoid it in my work, just because there is some struggles with py2exe
[08:30] <igc> my current struggle is probably something to do with how py2exe is configured
[08:31] <bialix> igc: will be nice if you send me a mail closer to weekend and highlight the moments I should check/help
[08:31] <igc> there's a PyQt4.uic.port_v3 on the filesystem but py2exe is falling over becuae it con't find it
[08:31] <bialix> there is not much configuration knobs in the py2exe
[08:31] <bialix> maybe env path
[08:32] <igc> bialix: hmm - maybe I need to look there
[08:33] <igc> bialix: i'ts very frustrating when it fails because it gives you so little to work out what's wrong :-(
[08:33] <bialix> igc: there is something like debug output in py2exe, at least it can generate full dependency graph for you
[08:36] <bialix> igc: which version of PyQt I should use?
[08:36] <igc> I'm trying to build with Python 2.6.5 and PyQt 4.7.2
[08:36] <igc> bialix: ^^^
[08:36] <bialix> ok, I'll grab those
[08:37] <igc> bialix: thanks
[08:38] <igc> bialix: with rev 108 of bzr-windows-installers, the command to run is ...
[08:38] <igc> build.py installers --standalone-only
[08:39]  * bialix nods
[08:39]  * bialix has pyqt 4.7.0 as well
[09:19] <lifeless> thumper: https://edge.launchpad.net/codewiki
[09:35]  * igc dinner
[09:52] <vila> lifeless: heads-up, feed-pqm doesn't prefix your commit messages with (lifeless)
[09:52] <lifeless> vila: interesting; file a bug on hydrazine please
[09:53] <vila> lifeless: I don't think so, we tend to use a rather liberal prefix there (mbp, for parthm) for example
[09:53] <lifeless> vila: if we were to fix this, where would it get fixed?
[09:54] <vila> lifeless: we never fixed pqm-submit, why should we fix feed-pqm ? :->
[09:54] <lifeless> because a smooth toolchain is nice to work with
[09:54] <lifeless> so I repeat
[09:54] <lifeless> vila: if we were to fix this, where would it get fixed?
[09:55] <vila> lifeless: educate the user :)
[09:55] <lifeless> vila: I don't understand why you don't want this automated.
[09:55] <vila> lifeless: if that doesn't work, joking, let me finish :)
[09:56] <vila> it that doesn't work, then either pqm or feed-pqm, probably the later, but the rules need to be defined, like, generate a prefix only if none are present and put... username there?
[09:57] <lifeless> vila: this, file a bug
[09:57] <lifeless> *thus*
[09:57] <lifeless> and yes, hydrazine for now, I think
[14:19] <ezod> suppose a remote (upstream) bound branch is at revision N, and i make a local commit, so i'm at revision N + 1, then i run bzr update, putting me back to N
[14:19] <ezod> is there any way to get revision N + 1 changes back?
[14:22] <awilkins> ezod, update again (presuming you did an update to -r -2 to get to N)
[14:23] <ezod> no, rev N + 1 was local only
[14:23] <ezod> will this work:
[14:23] <ezod> bzr pull . --overwrite -r revid:<N+1>
[14:23] <ezod> perhaps?
[14:23] <awilkins> ezod, try `bzr heads` to find the revision number
[14:25] <ezod> `bzr heads` doesn't return anything
[14:25] <ezod> oh
[14:25] <ezod> bzr heads --dead does
[14:26] <awilkins> ezod, find your revision and pull that
[14:26] <ezod> revid is email-timestamp-string
[14:27] <ezod> ok cool, will try
[14:27] <awilkins> bzr pull -r revid:<blah>
[14:28] <ezod> awilkins: thanks, seems to have worked :)
[15:01] <c_korn> hello, how can I fix this error ? http://pastebin.com/XVcmjnWg
[15:03] <awilkins> c_korn, You need to upgrade the remote repository
[15:03] <awilkins> I believe there's a button in LP for that
[15:05] <awilkins> Or take a local branch that isn't rich-root
[15:11] <jam> morning all
[15:11] <jam> hey vila, I got most of the merge_sorted stuff working
[15:11] <jam> some edge cases that i want to write tests for first
[15:11] <vila> jam: morning jam !
[15:12] <vila> jam: good work !
[15:12] <vila> jam: so youwant to write test first ? :-P
[15:12] <jam> I do that sometimes :)
[15:12] <jam> seriously, when it is tricky edge case stuff, I usually do
[15:12] <jam> to make sure that I'm actually exposing the code I think I ame
[15:12] <jam> am
[15:13] <vila> yeah, that's the idea ;-)
[15:13] <vila> by the way, have a look at bug #489179
[15:14] <vila> jam: not for the bug itself, bug look at revno 4081.2.2 with qlog
[15:15] <vila> jam: Iwas surprised by the revno numbering here, as if daggy fix could somehow violate the stability,
[15:15] <vila> jam: I didn't dig but thought you may be interested
[15:16] <jam> daggy shouldn't affect numbering
[15:18] <c_korn> awilkins: ok, I think I found the button.
[15:19] <c_korn> this is it I think: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/50919/screenshot_001_4B7Mnw.png
[15:20] <vila> jam: I realize that, but just have a look
[15:20] <awilkins> c_korn, You might want to warn the rest of the dev team :-)
[15:20] <c_korn> awilkins: yes, I am currently doing this
[15:36] <jam> vila: so what am I looking at wrt 4081.2.2 ?
[15:36] <jam> vs log file -v ?
[15:37] <jam> I see a lot of files merged in 4081.2.2, but that is expected, since it is all of 5112-4081 from bzr.dev being merged in one go
[15:37] <vila> jam: just a sec, killed the wrong qlog seconds ago
[15:38] <jam> if you are wondering about the revno, it is because they merged bzr.dev into the changelog branch, not based the changelog branch on bzr.dev
[15:41] <vila> jam: ha, right, twice, I've been tricked by qlog for the other case but it's right here :-)
[15:45] <vila> jam: I think my initial surprise was more about the -n0 -v revno being so far away from the revs shown by -n0, but that may just be the revno scheme after all
[15:49] <jam> I don't quite understand "the -n0 -v revno"
[15:49] <jam> when I do "bzr log -v -r 4081.2.2" w/ bzr.dev, I only get the one rev
[15:53] <Lo-lan-do> Hi all
[15:53] <jam> morning Lo-lan-do
[15:56] <Lo-lan-do> jelmer: I think I found a race condition in bzr-svn the hard way :-(
[15:59] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: hmm?
[16:00] <Lo-lan-do> Someone did an svn commit just as I was starting pulling a branch onto my bzr checkout
[16:01] <Lo-lan-do> SVN did record both his revision and my series (of 21) revisions, but now I get an assertion error in my bzr checkout
[16:02] <Lo-lan-do>  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins/svn/branch.py", line 484, in get_rev_id/assert revmeta.get_revno(mapping) == revno
[16:14] <Lo-lan-do> Okay, I removed revprops, uncommitted and pulled again, and now I'm fine again.
[16:16] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: his changes interrupted your push of a serie of revisions?
[16:17] <Lo-lan-do> Unfortunately not.
[16:17] <Lo-lan-do> I think his commit happened between the time bzr had read the existing revprops and the time bzr started pushing.
[16:18] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: but it's now interwoven with your changes?
[16:18] <Lo-lan-do> SVN's revision history was, say, 100-101-102-103, with 101 being my coworker's commit and 102-103 being mine
[16:19] <Lo-lan-do> But bzr log only displayed 100-102-103
[16:19] <Lo-lan-do> 102 had 100 as its parent bzr-wise
[16:19] <jelmer> bug 515850
[16:20] <Lo-lan-do> Sounds like exactly that, indeed :-)
[16:20] <Lo-lan-do> Sorry for the interruption.
[16:23] <tyarusso> I know this is an odd request, but does anyone have a side-by-side technical comparison of bzr against RCS?
[16:31] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: np, it is an important bug to fix
[16:32]  * jelmer waves to jam, vila
[16:32] <jelmer> tyarusso: hi
[16:32] <jelmer> tyarusso: I'm not aware of one - the major difference seems to be that RCS is per-file, Bazaar versions an entire tree
[16:32] <tyarusso> hey jelmer
[16:33] <jelmer> tyarusso: I'm not sure if that helps at all.
[16:33] <jam> morning jelmer
[16:33] <tyarusso> dunno
[16:33] <tyarusso> The main thing that annoys me with RCS is that the revision files aren't "hidden", so directories get really cluttered.
[16:34] <jelmer> jam: looks like I'll need packs for bzr-git's cache anyway
[16:34] <jelmer> jam: group compress doesn't rely on parent information right?
[16:34] <jelmer> jam: (for performing well, I mean)
[16:35] <jam> jelmer: correct
[16:35] <jam> though you need some sort of 'grouping' key
[16:35] <jam> atm we use file-ids and sort them
[16:35] <jam> which often works pretty well
[16:35] <jelmer> that's fine, I'd want Git paths in that case
[16:35] <tyarusso> What happens if you do a bzr init in a directory that already has a repo going?  (For instance, if you have a bunch of scripts that want to version something in /etc, and they don't know which script will run first. (not using etckeeper))
[16:35] <jam> well, you'd want filenames not paths, I would guess
[16:35] <jam> or reverse paths or something
[16:35] <jam> all files in a dir don't often compress as well as all files named Foo
[16:36] <jelmer> jam: Sorry, that's what I meant
[16:36] <jelmer> it's the same key that git uses to compress its packs
[16:36] <jelmer> jam: Basically, I'd like to cache git Tree objects and Blob objects for symlinks
[17:05] <RobOakes> Morning everyone.  I am trying to push a bzr branch into an empty svn repository (for backup/collaboration purposes).  However, when I run bzr push https://path/to/repo, it tells me that the branches have diverged.
[17:05] <RobOakes> Does anyone know how I can push my local branch to the remote server with bzr-svn?
[17:06] <tyarusso> This there a way to give each versioned file a description?  For instance "Config file for MySuperCoolProgram".
[17:07] <jelmer> RobOakes: your bzr branch has a different history than an empty svn branch (which has exactly one commit on it)
[17:07] <jelmer> RobOakes: If you push to a location that doesn't exist yet things should work
[17:08] <RobOakes> For example: http://server/repo/subdir?
[17:09] <jelmer> yeah
[17:09] <jelmer> provided subdir doesn't exist yet
[17:09] <RobOakes> Oh, that worked great.  Thanks!
[17:16] <Torne> is it intentional that pressing 'f' in the builtin shelve command selects "yes" for all remaining hunks?
[17:16] <Torne> it seems much more logical for it to select "no", since that's the default
[17:26] <msmith> hello everyone, i have a question about bzr-svn on debian
[17:28] <msmith> when installing on debian using apt-get i get the following:
[17:29] <msmith>  bzr-svn: Depends: bzr (< 1.6~) but 2.0.3-1~bpo50+1 is to be installed
[17:29] <tyarusso> I suppose I *could* create a local branch for each file and name those, but that seems a little silly.
[17:30] <msmith> is there a repository i can add to my sources.list that would contain an updated version?
[17:31] <Peng> msmith: Yes, unless the repository is out-of-date too.
[17:31] <Peng> Don't have a link right this second, though.
[17:32] <Peng> msmith: Try https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa, or possibly https://launchpad.net/~bzr-svn/+archive/ppa or something
[17:32] <Peng> IIRC there is a bzr-svn ppa, but I don't remember the link. :-\
[17:35] <Torne> msmith: which version of debian are you using? all versoins should have a matching bzr-svn for the bzr they have
[17:35] <Torne> msmith: it looks like you maybe installed bzr from somewhere else
[17:35] <Peng> Err, right, Debian. The PPA's out, then...
[17:35] <Peng> Sorry.
[17:36] <msmith> :)
[17:36] <Torne> msmith: ah, you have bzr from lenny-backports
[17:36] <Torne> msmith: there's no bzr-svn backported to lenny.
[17:36] <Torne> either install the testing/unstable version of bzr along with all its dependencies, and the matching version of bzr-svn from testing/unstable, or downgrade to the lenny version of bzr, or build your own package..
[17:36] <Torne> (or ask someone else for a backport :)
[17:38] <msmith> ok, thanks.  i'll try to follow that path and scream for help if i fall off a cliff
[18:25] <krisives-gearbox> I have 2 branches that didn't start as the same code, but I'm trying to get them to be equal. I've made both a bzr repo and added all the files. What strategy should I use to try and get them to be equal?
[19:34] <rellis> Is there a way to get a commit history for a particular user with bzr?
[19:42] <krisives-gearbox> http://superuser.com/questions/128540/bazaar-merge-identical-files
[19:51] <vila> krisives-gearbox: you should put one branch under bzr and then, override all the files with your second branch and finally do 'bzr diff'
[19:51] <krisives-gearbox> override>
[19:51] <krisives-gearbox> ?
[19:51] <vila> copy over
[19:52] <krisives-gearbox> if I do that in a new area I can then push/pull those diffs into one of the original to make them all equal
[19:53] <vila> when a file is first added to a branch, it receives and unique ID, if you so that in two different (unrelated) branches, the "same" file get a different ID, when your try to merge bzr then see them as different and move one away (.moved)
[19:53] <vila> s/and unique/ a unique/
[19:53] <vila> meh s/so that/do that/
[19:56] <vila> krisives-gearbox: you can't start with two different histories, that's the so-called "parallel import" problem which is yet to be addressed by bzr
[19:58] <krisives-gearbox> One issue with that strategy though
[19:58] <krisives-gearbox> I want to end up with 2 bzr repos
[20:00] <krisives-gearbox> nvm I think I figured it out, I'll let you know how it works
[20:00] <vila> krisives-gearbox: are you sure you don't mean two branches here ? A repo for bzr is just a place to put revisions used by one or many branches
[20:00] <krisives-gearbox> bzr init creates a repo, right?
[20:01] <krisives-gearbox> I probably have that wrong
[20:02] <vila> 'bzr init' creates a branch, a branch uses a repo, if no repo is available to be shared, 'bzr init' will create one for the branch itself, but if you intend to use several branches, you use 'bzr init-repo project' and then 'bzr init project/trunk' and 'bzr init project/feature' etc
[20:03] <vila> trunk and feature will then share the repo created for project
[20:03] <krisives-gearbox> whats the diff between merging repos and branches? or does that question not make sense?
[20:04] <vila> krisives-gearbox: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/PiecesInBrief is pretty quick to read
[20:04] <krisives-gearbox> thanks
[20:04] <vila> krisives-gearbox: you merge branches, repos come into play in the background, you rarely use them directly
[20:05] <krisives-gearbox> ok
[20:05] <vila> krisives-gearbox: 'bzr reconfigure' can also be used if you change your mind about your branches layout
[20:05] <krisives-gearbox> I'm still thinking it out hehe
[20:06] <krisives-gearbox> I'm integrating bzr so we can keep client sites up to date
[20:06] <krisives-gearbox> The old system is a hacked PHP upload script garbage blah
[20:07] <vila> "Whatever works" he said :)
[20:08] <krisives-gearbox> Randomly, is there a way to tell `cp` not to copy a specific directory in a recursive?
[20:10] <vila> krisives-gearbox: randomly: cp everything somewhere, delete the offending dir, cp the result ?
[20:10] <krisives-gearbox> good idea
[20:11] <vila> krisives-gearbox: 'tar' has more options, but it's also a bit harder to use it to just copy files around
[20:11] <Peng> You could use rsync. But, again, way complicated.
[20:11] <krisives-gearbox> I think I'm going to do from/* to avoid getting the .bzr
[20:11] <krisives-gearbox> cp -r from/* to/*
[20:11] <Peng> krisives-gearbox: Use "bzr export" to get a copy of a working tree somewhere.
[20:12] <krisives-gearbox> usually would, but doing an "override"
[20:12] <Peng> krisives-gearbox: A repository is just a big bag of revisions. They can be from related branches or not. There's really not much to think about there.
[21:27] <jelmer> jam: what's this history db thing you're working on?
[21:28] <jam> jelmer: caching the dotted revno / merge sorted graph
[21:29] <jam> I've posted some of the results to the list
[21:29] <jam> The basic idea: a dotted revno cache can be shared between branches
[21:29] <jam> as long as you store it based on the mainline revision
[21:29] <jelmer> ah, nice
[21:30] <jam> you can store it completely clustered (only new info per new mainline rev) as long as it is fast to expand
[21:30] <jam> in the process
[21:30] <jam> I also think I can *compute* the merge_sort graph fairly efficiently for new revisions
[21:30] <jam> I think I've found solutions for everything
[21:30] <jam> such that nothing is O(history)
[21:31] <jam> most things are (at worst) O(history since you branched from)
[21:31] <jam> some interesting other results, though
[21:31] <jam> like loading the whole ancestry of mysql in 80ms or so
[21:31] <Peng> Wait, where would this be implemented? bzrlib? A plugin? Something Loggerhead can steal....? :>
[21:31] <jelmer> jam: ooh, that sounds pretty nice :-)
[21:32] <jam> Peng: it is currently a bzr plugin, and inspired from some of the needs of loggerhead and some other bits
[21:32] <Peng> <3
[21:32] <jam> also from codehosting
[21:32] <Peng> Granted, it would take more than this to fix Loggerhead's issues, but... :P
[21:32] <jam> where I'm told there is a table that stores "what revisions are in the ancestry of this revision" for all revisions
[21:33] <jam> Peng: well the root idea was that loggerhead loads the whole history graph when it often doesn't care
[21:33] <jam> so how do we store it
[21:33] <jam> in such a way that we can read only parts of it
[21:33] <jam> and how can we make that efficient against N branches
[21:33] <jam> etc
[21:33] <Peng> Ah. So this could be plugged into a lot of Loggerhead?
[21:33] <jam> Peng: it would replace the RevisionCache, IIRC
[21:34] <jam> you get to keep dotted_revnos in the api
[21:34] <jam> without having them be 2s to compute per branch
[21:34] <jam> get_dotted_revno() for an old revision in mysql takes 13ms
[21:34] <jam> for a new revision, it si about 5-10ms
[21:35] <jam> And I *think* that will scale 'out', where you ask for multiple dotted revnos in a single pass
[21:35] <jam> so it shouldn't be 26ms for 2 dotted revnos, but more 14ms or s.
[21:35] <jam> so
[21:40] <jelmer> jam: what's the status on your pack collection work, is it ready to use in its current form?
[21:41] <jam> not yet
[21:41] <jam> I got distracted by this
[21:43] <Peng> We need to get you to collaborate with yourself from an alternate universe to get both done at once. :)
[21:47] <jelmer> jam: ok
[22:08] <pyMynx> anyone there? ^^
[22:09] <Peng> Possibly!
[22:18] <krisives-gearbox> Thanks again for the help vila
[22:22] <lifeless> jam: before you wrap for the day, could I beg a review?
[22:22] <mwhudson_> jelmer: slightly obscure bzr-git kernel import failure leads to finding a sha1 problem: http://staging.launchpadlibrarian.net/42124151/mwhudson-linux-trunk.log
[22:22] <jam> lifeless: of?
[22:23] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/bzr/commit/+merge/22920
[22:24] <lifeless> jam: ^
[22:27] <jelmer> mwhudson_: That's rev 58, caused by an issue with unusual modes. I'm working on it at the moment.
[22:27] <mwhudson_> jelmer: ahead of me as usual :)
[22:28] <pyMynx> I'm pushing a folder to a server
[22:28] <pyMynx> but the folder on the server is empty after push
[22:29] <pyMynx> all I have is a .bzr folder
[22:29] <pyMynx> :(
[22:29] <jelmer> pyMynx: yes, bzr push does not create a working tree
[22:29] <jam> lifeless: 1) I'm pretty sure the "msg_transport.get_bytes()" is unnecessary as the rest of the code certainly expects 'msgfilename' to be a local object that you can open()
[22:29] <lifeless> jam: yes, but that needs try:finally:close9)
[22:30] <jelmer> pyMynx: you can use the push-and-update plugin to keep the working tree up to date
[22:30] <pyMynx> jelmer: how should I create the branch on the server? I thought I had to push through sftp like in the tutorial
[22:30] <pyMynx> jelmer: oh ok
[22:30] <lifeless> 5 lines, twice, or local function, vs 1 line twice + a 2 line setup
[22:30] <jelmer> pyMynx: bzr push creats a branch (including all history) but not a working tree
[22:30] <lifeless> if we had with, open would be fine.
[22:31] <jam> lifeless: also, you return "" if get_boolean() returns false. Shouldn't you be returning None ?
[22:31] <jam> like the other code path does
[22:31] <lifeless> actually
[22:31] <lifeless> its mixed
[22:31] <lifeless> some code paths return None
[22:31] <lifeless> some return ""
[22:32] <lifeless> if you return None, it raises 'please specify a message via --file or --message'
[22:32] <lifeless> if you return "" you get 'empty commit message supplied'
[22:32] <lifeless> which is a more appropriate error
[22:33] <lifeless> I'll add a comment
[22:33] <jam> lifeless: bb:tweak
[22:33] <jam> lifeless: you also don't have a test case that shows that giving "n" actually cancels the commit
[22:34] <lifeless> sure, I can add one.
[22:36] <pyMynx> jelmer is that the only way? with the plugin? ...i'm following the instruction but it says lp:bzr-push-and-update does not exist yikes!
[22:37] <Peng> pyMynx: lp:~bzr/bzr-push-and-update/trunk WFM
[22:42] <pyMynx> other way to create workingtree on server? :(
[22:43] <Peng> SSH? :D
[22:43] <mwhudson> bzr upload is another option, but it's rather different
[22:43] <Peng> pyMynx: Why are you asking for anotehr solution? What's wrong with bzr-push-and-update?
[22:44] <mwhudson> jelmer: oh, that reminds me, what are the names of the bzr-git caches now?
[22:44] <pyMynx> Peng: I can't install the plugin damn... maybe it's just me
[22:44] <jelmer> mwhudson: everything is in git/ basically
[22:44] <jelmer> mwhudson: .bzr/repository/git/ that is
[22:44] <mwhudson> jelmer: ok
[22:45] <Peng> pyMynx: What error message do you get?
[22:45] <Peng> Hold on.
[22:45] <jelmer> mwhudson: I can give you more specific names if that helps, but supporting git/ would avoid having to play catch up in the future
[22:45] <Peng> pyMynx: Do you have the built-in launchpad plugin disabled for some reason?
[22:45] <mwhudson> jelmer: supporting git/ is probably easy enough
[22:45] <pyMynx> Peng: I've placed the folder inside the plugins folder, but for some reason it doesn't come up when I type bzr plugins
[22:46] <Peng> pyMynx: Did you name it "push_and_update"?
[22:47] <pyMynx> Peng: no, I'll try it now
[22:47] <Peng> pyMynx: Bazaar plugins, like all Python modules, can't have - in their names.
[22:47] <pyMynx> Peng: worked :|
[22:48] <Peng> yay
[22:49] <pyMynx> Peng: :D thank you very much!
[22:49] <pyMynx> Peng: btw sorry if I ask, but does the plugin automatically work when I do push or do I need to type something else? because the docs I found seem very short
[22:49] <Peng> pyMynx: It works automagically.
[22:50] <Peng> pyMynx: But only if a working tree already exists.
[22:50] <pyMynx> Peng: lol
[22:50] <pyMynx> Peng: in local?
[22:50] <Peng> pyMynx: No, in the location you're pushing to.
[22:51] <pyMynx> Peng: all I did was follow the tutorial doing, bzr init, add and then after commit something
[22:51] <Peng> ...
[22:51] <Peng> What are you trying to accomplish?
[22:51] <Peng> Why do you need working trees on servers?
[22:51] <pyMynx> I have a workingcopy of this site on my desktop
[22:52] <pyMynx> I would like to have the same repository on the server
[22:52] <pyMynx> so whenever I change a few things that I like, I push the changes onto the server
[22:53] <Peng> Does the server need a working tree, or just the Bazaar data?
[22:53] <pyMynx> Peng: the server needs all the files in my folder
[22:54] <pyMynx> Peng: I'm sorry for being a pain :)
[22:55] <Peng> pyMynx: Well... if bzr is installed on the server, and a working tree exists, it'll all work automagically.
[22:55] <Peng> pyMynx: If a working tree doesn't exist yet, you need to SSH into the server and run "bzr co" in the branch's directory.
[23:01] <pyMynx> Peng: bzr co should make a tree automatically?
[23:01] <Peng> ...
[23:01] <Peng> cd to a branch without a tree, run "bzr co", and it'll make a tree.
[23:02] <pyMynx> ok thanks
[23:02] <pyMynx> on it!
[23:09] <pyMynx> Peng: nightmare :| no module XMLSerializer
[23:37] <mwhudson> jelmer: +0000 vs -0000 ? argh!
[23:38] <jelmer> mwhudson: yeah, nasty one :-)
[23:38] <jelmer> mwhudson: I need to figure out if git consistently uses -0000 or if it writes +0000 sometimes as well
[23:40] <jelmer> yeah, it seems inconsistent
[23:40] <jelmer> committing manually I can only get it to write +0000
[23:46] <mwhudson> boo :/
[23:46] <mwhudson> another revprop then?