[02:49] <lifeless> who is the freenode-guru in here?
[02:50] <emgent> lifeless: what problem with freenode?
[02:50] <persia> lifeless: Hobbsee, but I might be able to answer something.
[02:51] <lifeless> well
[02:51] <lifeless> I'm wondering about the ubuntu-XX channels
[02:51] <lifeless> are they language/country/?? - what is the XX for
[02:51] <lifeless> I'd like to get an ubuntu-la (la for Latin) going, but its registered
[02:51] <persia> lifeless: Might be country, might be language, might be state, depends on the local demographics.
[02:52] <emgent> true..
[02:52] <lifeless> (registered and empty I should say)
[02:52] <emgent> lifeless: list it :)
[02:52]  * persia looks up the channel map
[02:52] <lifeless> by list, do you mean query?
[02:52] <emgent> yeah with /list *ubuntu*
[02:53] <emgent> (03:52) :: LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[02:53] <lifeless> :P
[02:53] <emgent> argh..
[02:53] <lifeless> persia: if you have a doco pointer I'm happy to chase it
[02:53] <lifeless> persia: otherwise, thanks :P
[02:53] <persia> New services have a new command.  You can look it up on freenode blog.
[02:54] <persia> Hmmm..  #ubuntu-la isn't listed as IRCC controlled on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat.  Ask in #ubuntu-ops to see if any of the IRCC is there, and if you can have it.
[04:19] <LaserJock> ScottK: do you happen to know if cmake is going to be backported?
[04:36] <RoAkSoAx> does anyone has this error when trying to create an intrepid pbuilder?? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17397/
[04:40]  * RoAkSoAx can't install a pbuilder for intrepid T.T
[04:44] <RAOF> RoAkSoAx: Oh.  I thought that had been fixed.
[04:44] <RoAkSoAx> RAOF, yeah me too.. but my system is up to date and still having the same issue.. any ideas on how to fix it??
[04:45] <RAOF> Nah, not really.  You could try unpacking the deb, fiddling with the postinst, repacking, and then installing it.
[04:46] <RoAkSoAx> RAOF, ok i'll try, thanks ;)
[04:51] <jml> I saw a travel agent advertising Intrepid holidays.
[04:52] <jml> cognitive dissonance ensued.
[04:52] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:53] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[05:18] <ScottK> LaserJock: Dunno
[05:22] <Hobbsee> RoAkSoAx: you need to upgrade findutils first.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ^
[05:23] <RoAkSoAx> Hobbsee, everything is up to date T.T
[05:23]  * Hobbsee bets it isn't.
[05:26] <RoAkSoAx> Hobbsee, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17404/
[05:27] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Ah, that's what fixed it for me, was it?  It's actually been a couple of weeks since I installed Intrepid, so these transitory teething problems fade from my memory.
[05:28] <RoAkSoAx> unless i need to add proposed to my repos.. cause i have everything else enabled
[05:29] <persia> RoAkSoAx: Try `sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade`.  Sometimes that makes a difference.
[05:29] <RoAkSoAx> persia, i will ;)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah
[05:30] <Hobbsee> RoAkSoAx: which version of findutils do you have installed?
[05:32] <RoAkSoAx> Hobbsee, Version: 4.2.32-1ubuntu2
[05:33] <Hobbsee> RoAkSoAx: that'll be why.  that's not the latest.
[05:33] <RoAkSoAx> where can i get the latest then ?
[05:37] <RoAkSoAx> or how can i?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> from the repositories, apparnetly
[05:48] <Hobbsee>   Version table:
[05:48] <Hobbsee>  *** 4.4.0-2ubuntu2 0
[05:48] <Hobbsee>         500 http://mirror.internode.on.net intrepid/main Packages
[05:48] <Hobbsee>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[05:49] <RoAkSoAx> but how can i do it if i'm in hardy...
[05:49] <RoAkSoAx> i created a hardy pbuilder and trying to upgrade to intrepid is where i get the error
[05:51] <RAOF> I think I just upgraded again, and it worked.
[05:51] <RAOF> (In the pbuilder environment, is where you'd do this)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> oh, you're in hardy.  right.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> use pbuilder login --save-after-login, and upgrade findutils that way
[05:52] <RoAkSoAx> ok thanks Hobbsee :)
[06:03] <ajmitch> hello dholbach
[06:04] <dholbach> good morning
[06:04] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[06:05] <ScottK> Anyone know what's up with the Italian loco team?
[06:05]  * ScottK was just reading emgent's blog on planet.
[06:06] <ajmitch> no idea, I don't want to get into loco drama
[06:06] <dholbach> ScottK: I tried to leave a comment on the blog entry but it didn't work
[06:07] <ScottK> It's just morbid curiousty on my part.
[06:07] <dholbach> hmmm
[06:07] <ScottK> seele dragged me to my first IRC loco meeting just this week for our local team.
[06:08] <dholbach> how was it?
[06:08] <ajmitch> our loco team is fairly quiet, mostly just a few regulars in the IRC channel
[06:08] <ScottK> dholbach: It was pretty quiet for me.  seele is a strong personality.
[06:09] <ScottK> Mostly I asked if there would be beer at the event they were discussing.
[06:09]  * ajmitch does meet up with some #ubuntu-nz people in person from time to time
[06:09] <dholbach> ScottK: which Loco is yours? were there lots of people?
[06:09] <ScottK> dholbach: us-md (Maryland).  It's a small group.
[06:09]  * RAOF doesn't even know if there _is_ a Sydney loco group.
[06:10] <Flannel> If you can read italian, the LoCo logs are available
[06:10] <ScottK> No Italian here.
[06:10] <ajmitch> RAOF: there's enough of you sydney people
[06:10] <Flannel> RAOF: No, it's an -au thing
[06:10] <slangasek> Flannel: and if we can read italian, we also know where they are without being given a URL? :-)
[06:10] <Flannel> !logs
[06:11]  * RoAkSoAx LoCo team has just been approved as an official team :)
[06:11] <dholbach> ScottK: seele said something about usability testing - was that what it was about?
[06:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:12] <dholbach> nice
[06:12] <StevenK> RAOF: We seem to fit in -au
[06:12] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: which one is that? Peru? :)
[06:13] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, yep :)
[06:14] <dholbach> it's just awesome to see everybody active with Ubuntu around the world :)
[06:15] <StevenK> I have to say, the ubuntu-au logo is awesome
[06:15] <ajmitch> it's not too bad
[06:16] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NZTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nzubuntu-small.png
[06:16] <StevenK> ajmitch: That's cool, too
[06:19] <geser> good morning
[06:23] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, i just remembered that there is something that i want to ask you... why don't you make packaging guide available for translation in LP?
[06:23] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: the packaging guide is available on the wiki nowadays
[06:24] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, yeah i know.. but the thing is that it is much easier to do it through rosetta
[06:24] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: so there's no source anymore (as in docbook as it used to be)
[06:25] <RoAkSoAx> so if i want it translated.. can i just start doing it on a wiki page right?
[06:26] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: exactly
[06:26] <RoAkSoAx> and how about the Ubuntu $(language) Development Teams
[06:27] <RoAkSoAx> is anyone in charge already to get the packaging guide and stuff translated?
[06:27] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: the discussion we had at UDS was mostly informational - we tried to hear what works well for existing teams and what's important to them
[06:27] <dholbach> I'm not sure anybody has gotten around to summarising the discussion yet
[06:28] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: so no, there's no organised effort right now trying to translate the packaging guide yet
[06:28] <ScottK> I thought we were migrating back to configuration controlled policy documentation?
[06:28] <dholbach> ScottK: hm?
[06:28] <ScottK> The first Friday session at UDS that cjwatson did.
[06:29] <dholbach> erm, I'm afraid I don't know which one that was
[06:29] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, ok, so i guess i'm free to start its translation to spanish :)
[06:30] <ScottK> dholbach: Look on the gobby server for the doc called policy-and-standards
[06:31] <dholbach> ScottK: gracias
[06:32] <dholbach> ScottK: hum... what do you get if you open it in gobby? to me it looks empty
[06:32] <ScottK> dholbach: Get the one that ends in 's'
[06:33] <dholbach> :)
[06:35] <dholbach> ScottK: that looks good - I'm not sure though that it replaces the Packaging Guide as it's not so much a policy document, but a beginner's guide
[06:35] <dholbach> it's a great idea to make more use of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingChanges again
[06:36] <ScottK> dholbach: I think we'd be better off to use Debian new maintainer's guide with a short supplement for Ubuntu differences.
[06:37] <ScottK> dholbach: Who's going to update our packaging guide to support the new Debian policy uploaded yesterday?
[06:38] <dholbach> ScottK: which changes are you most concerned about?
[06:40] <dholbach_> ScottK: which changes are you most concerned about?
[06:40] <ScottK> dholbach: The Debian.source rules definitely need to be included.  Not sure what else.
[06:41] <ScottK> dholbach: I'm mostly concerned about systematically getting it figured out since we have no process and have forked the documentation.
[06:41]  * ScottK heads to bed.
[06:43] <dholbach> ScottK: I agree that the more we can re-use, the better - we just need to think about how best to do that
[06:43] <dholbach> ScottK: good night
[06:44]  * dholbach goes out to walk the dog
[06:58]  * RoAkSoAx goes to bed... g'night all
[07:16] <TheMuso> StevenK: I worked out the problem I was having with that code. Turns out in glibc 2.7, the code that defines the ucred structure has had a __USE_GNU #define placed around it. Joy! :)
[07:16] <StevenK> Ahh!
[07:17] <TheMuso> Well in a version of glibc between hardy and intrepid.
[07:22] <StevenK>      glibc | 2.7-10ubuntu3 |         hardy | source
[07:22] <StevenK>      glibc | 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu3 |      intrepid | source
[07:22] <StevenK> So, I suspect you mean between 2.7 and 2.8
[07:28] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[07:32] <TheMuso> Now to get this updated merge uploaded, and actually get built on the buildds.
[07:33] <\sh> damn...I shouldn't subscribe to planets..with strange articles
[09:46] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[09:50] <RAOF> Howdie, sistpoty.
[09:50] <sistpoty|work> hi RAOF
[10:39] <norsetto> huhu all
[10:39] <wgrant> Evening norsetto.
[10:39] <geser> Hi norsetto, sistpoty|work
[10:39] <sistpoty|work> hi geser, norsetto and wgrant
[10:39] <norsetto> sistpoty|work: master at work
[10:40] <wgrant> Hi geser, sistpoty|work.
[10:40] <geser> Hi wgrant
[10:40] <norsetto> geser: guten tag
[10:41] <norsetto> this reminds me of a group of people all trying to shake hands together :-)
[10:41] <wgrant> norsetto: Heh, yes.
[10:42] <sistpoty|work> norsetto: heh, sounds like a math execercise *g*
[12:21] <neil_d> I have written a CUPS printer that can email (as a pdf) what was printed.  how would I go about publishing this so other can use/modify ?
[12:23] <\sh> neil_d, talk to tkampeter
[12:23] <\sh> neil_d, talk to tkamppeter to be correct
[12:24] <\sh> neil_d, he's on #ubuntu-devel
[12:26] <neil_d> \sh: ok
[12:35] <effie_jayx> hey all.. I was just checking the build log and I found this at the end, what does it mean:
[12:35] <effie_jayx> dpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file libbakery-2.4-dev_2.4.4-1ubuntu1_i386.deb (line 5)
[13:03] <amikrop> How can I fix these lintian complaints? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/ueagle-0806051620/lintian
[13:04] <ogra> amikrop, well, it tells you pretty detailed whats wrong
[13:05] <\sh> amikrop, http://lintian.debian.org/reports/tags/binary-arch-rules-but-pkg-is-arch-indep.html
[13:06] <amikrop> \sh: thanks
[13:10] <amikrop> \sh: So, I should rename the binary-arch section in my debian/rules?
[13:11] <ogra> no, make sure to use the code you have in there in binary-indep instead
[13:12] <ogra> (or dont use it at all if you dont need it there)
[13:12] <amikrop> ogra: OK, thank you.
[13:14] <amikrop> In my debian/rules, configure, configure-stamp, build and build-stamp only call each other (and touch two empty files). Can I remove them all?
[14:16] <amikrop> I have Standards-Version 3.7.2. How can I get 3.7.3?
[14:18] <jpds> amikrop: change it in debian/control
[14:22] <amikrop> jpds: Manually? Shouldn't I get my dh_make to generate correct "Standards-Version"s automatically?
[14:22] <jpds> amikrop: manually, it's only one line.
[14:23] <amikrop> jpds: ok
[14:37] <ScottK> amikrop: Why 3.7.3?
[14:38] <amikrop> ScottK: lintian says so
[15:27] <effie_jayx> hey all
[15:27] <effie_jayx> I was wondering about the results of a build, I am not really sure why I get the following build warinings
[15:28] <effie_jayx> dpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file libbakery-2.4-dev_2.4.4-1ubuntu1_i386.deb (line 5)
[15:37]  * ScottK reads #ubuntu-devel and boggles.
[15:39] <ScottK> Raise you hand if your an core-dev and think using alien is a solution to packaging problems?
[15:39]  * ScottK looks around
[15:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:40] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[15:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you do realise that alien is in main, don't you.
[15:40] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I didn't, but it doesn't change my opinion any.
[15:40] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[15:40] <laga> Hobbsee: yeah, LSB requires it. but it's still not a great idea for some uses cases :)
[15:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[15:40]  * ScottK finds it useful to get from srpm to tar.gz, but not to make a .deb.
[15:41]  * Hobbsee is merely pointing out that there appears to be some useful case.
[15:41] <ScottK> Agreed, but not producing final Debian packages (IMO anyway).
[15:42] <ScottK> lsb-core depends on it.  Not sure why.
[15:42] <ScottK> OK.  So fewer hands here than in #ubuntu-devel.
[15:43] <Nafallo> meeh. just couldn't be bothered. ask for a +1 next time ;-)
[15:43] <laga> ScottK: i believe LSB specifies that software ough tot be available in rpm format (or a restricted subset thereof to ensure compatibility)
[15:44]  * sistpoty|work particularly won't say a word beginning with check and ending with install here *g*
[15:44] <emgent> mornign
[15:44] <sistpoty|work> hi emgent
[15:44] <emgent> sistpoty|work: :)
[15:45] <ScottK> laga: Makes sense in an LSB kind of way.
[15:53] <mterry> OK, so I want to use pdebuild and I occasionally get something like "pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: libgnomeui-dev which is a virtual package".  Is this my fault, debian/control's fault, or libgnomeui-dev's fault?
[15:54] <mterry> (I should say, pdebuild fails seemingly because of the above message)
[15:57] <mterry> Hmm, bad example.  I didn't actually get it for libgnomeui-dev.  But I have for other -devs
[16:32] <devfil> asac: ping
[16:51] <norsetto> need help devfil?
[16:52] <devfil> yes, with a bug, I don't know the way to fix it
[16:52] <norsetto> devfil: which one?
[16:52] <devfil> norsetto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/196834
[16:53] <norsetto> devfil: ok, whats the problem?
[16:53] <devfil> norsetto: examples readme says: "Note that some of them will attempt to write to the current
[16:53] <devfil> working directory, or to the home directory of the user they are run as." and "Some of the files have been compressed in accordance with Debian policy
[16:53] <devfil> regarding documentation"
[16:54] <norsetto> devfil: yes?
[16:54] <devfil> so I think I should use debconf to ask the dir when examples should be extracted
[16:54] <norsetto> devfil: wait a sec, what is the problem, that the examples are gzipped?
[16:55] <devfil> exactly
[16:55] <norsetto> devfil: well, thats not a problem, its standard debian policy
[16:55] <norsetto> devfil: you may use a -x in dh_compress but that would be against the policy
[16:55] <devfil> yes, but people want it unpacked
[16:56] <devfil> norsetto: for this reason I think I should use debconf to ask
[16:56] <norsetto> devfil: well, then they unpack it themselves
[16:56] <devfil> norsetto: yes, but how I should do prerm file?
[16:57] <devfil> examples need to write to the current dir, so they can be unpacked in usr/share
[16:57] <devfil> and debconf should ask for the dir
[16:57] <devfil> but prerm?
[16:57] <norsetto> devfil: examples are not supposed to be run from /usr/share, they have to be copied to your local dir
[16:58] <norsetto> devfil: actually, they should not be run, they should be "read" as examples, but thats another story
[16:58] <devfil> norsetto: examples should be unpacked in home?
[16:58] <norsetto> devfil: no, examples shall be installed in /usr/share/etc.etc.
[16:59] <devfil> norsetto: and they are installed in /usr/share...
[16:59] <norsetto> devfil: users that wants to use them, have to unpack them to a local dir where they have the necessary privileges
[16:59] <geser> I usually see packages installing examples in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/examples
[16:59] <norsetto> geser: correct
[17:00] <norsetto> devfil: so, there is nothing wrong with that package, no bugs to be fixed
[17:01] <devfil> norsetto: good, how I should set status bug?
[17:02] <geser> I'd explain why it's not a bug and set to "invalid"
[17:02] <norsetto> devfil: either invalid or won't fix, roughly speacking invalid means its not a bug, won't fix we recognise its an issue but we won't do anything about it
[17:02] <devfil> geser: ok thanks
[17:03] <devfil> norsetto: ok thanks, now another question
[17:03] <devfil> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/211553
[17:03] <devfil> in this bug I've used ln -snf to do a link
[17:04] <devfil> package use update-alternatives
[17:04] <devfil> maybe I can use it to do links?
[17:06] <norsetto> devfil: isn't the package using pycentral/pysupport?
[17:07] <devfil> norsetto: ehm... I don't know
[17:07] <norsetto> devfil: ok, better check it out, either of them should take care of that automatically
[17:08] <norsetto> devfil: let me fetch a link
[17:09] <norsetto> devfil: this should do: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[17:10] <devfil> norsetto: it use pycentral
[17:10] <norsetto> devfil: ok, pycentral just recently did a transition, perhaps there is some hardcoded stuff to be changed
[17:11] <devfil> norsetto: I'm scared
[17:11] <norsetto> devfil: :-) don't
[17:11] <norsetto> devfil: just check debian/rules and the install files
[17:15] <norsetto> devfil: for the other bug, I see that there is a script in debian which seems to be written for the end users
[17:16] <norsetto> devfil: just check that is installed (and where) and point users to it
[17:16] <devfil> norsetto: yes, unpack_examples.sh but nobody seems to see it
[17:17] <devfil> norsetto: yes, is what I will do when I will invalid the bug
[17:17] <norsetto> devfil: well, is it well documented? If it is there is nothing more we can do
[17:18] <norsetto> devfil: which seems to be the case, look at README.example in /examples
[17:18] <devfil> norsetto: there is a readme
[17:18] <devfil> norsetto: yes, I looked at it
[17:19] <devfil> norsetto: readme is installed in the same dir of unpack_examples.sh
[17:20] <norsetto> devfil: so, just mark that as invalid and give the above reasons
[17:24] <norsetto> devfil: there is also a wxwidgets2.8 package in experimental (<IP_ADDRESS>-0.1) which you may want to check?
[17:25] <devfil> norsetto: I looked at it and I proposed me as co-maintainer for wxwidgets2.8 packages in debian, but I'm waiting for a reply
[17:26] <norsetto> devfil: ok, for the python stuff, I see a lot of things hardcoded in there, if I were you I would ask help to a python$deity
[17:26] <devfil> norsetto: ehm..what? :)
[17:27] <norsetto> devfil: ask somebody who is knowledgeable about python packaging
[17:27] <norsetto> devfil: especially pycentral
[17:28] <devfil> norsetto: for example?
[17:29] <norsetto> devfil: ask scottk, he is usually helpfull, if he doesn't know the answer himself he may point you in the right direction, otherwise try asking to doko, he is pycentral mastermind
[17:30] <devfil> norsetto: for wx.pth links?
[17:30] <norsetto> devfil: for the problem about the application not being in the right path
[17:31] <devfil> yes, the fix is in the bug but do you think I should use update-alternatives?
[17:32] <norsetto> devfil: that fix looks like a hack, maybe a simple rebuild is enough
[17:33] <devfil> norsetto: no, you are not understanding
[17:33] <norsetto> devfil: yes, thats typically me :-)
[17:35] <devfil> norsetto: to fix #211553 I used ln -snf to link wx.pth to the right dir, but package also use update-alternatives, so do you think I should use update-alternatives as package do?
[17:38] <norsetto> devfil: thats what I said, linking seems the wrong hack, pycentral should install the files in the correct locations, if it doesn't I suspect that due to the transition, some of the hardcoded paths in rules has to be changed, and/or a rebuild is needed
[17:39] <devfil> norsetto: then I didn't understand :) sorry
[17:41] <devfil> norsetto: 	DH_PYCENTRAL=nomove dh_pycentral
[17:41] <devfil> 	for v in $(PYVERS); do \
[17:41] <devfil> 	  ln -sf ../../wx/python/wx.pth debian/$(package_gtk_py_ver)/usr/lib/python$$v/site-packages/wx.pth; \
[17:41] <devfil> 	done
[17:42] <devfil> this should link wx.pth
[18:09]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[18:18] <NielsE> can someone help a beginner-motu (me)? I'm trying to change the tekst of the manpage of the gnu's helloworld example, and repackage it, but I dont know how (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=819635)
[18:20] <norsetto> Nielse: you should see your changes in the diff.gz after debuild -S, if you don't than you missed something
[18:20] <NielsE> in the .diff.gz I can see my changes in hello.1, but after instaling the .deb the manpage does not seem to be affected
[18:21] <norsetto> NielsE: than you are not installing the right deb
[18:22] <nhandler> norsetto and NielsE: Are the manpages removed when you uninstall a package?
[18:22] <norsetto> nhandler: yes
[18:22] <NielsE> there is only 1 generated.., do I need to patch the diff to the .deb created by "debuild"?
[18:22] <NielsE> after deleting the .deb "man hello" doesn't work anymore
[18:23] <norsetto> nielse: where do you take the deb that you install?
[18:24] <NielsE> I click on it in nautalis, or sometimes just "sudo dpkg -i hello-versionnumber.deb"
[18:24] <norsetto> NielsE: yes, but where is it? Try also changing the changelog so you are sure that the version matches your changes
[18:25] <NielsE> its in the directory above the source folder
[18:25] <norsetto> nielse: you are using pbuilder?
[18:26] <NielsE> not always, I am going to run it now
[18:27] <norsetto> NielsE: be aware that pbuilder by default gives you the new .deb in /var
[18:27] <norsetto> NielsE: /var/cache/pbuilder/result to be exact
[18:27] <NielsE> oh, I thought it just checked if it was able to build it on a clean install
[18:29] <NielsE> the .deb created by pbuilder has still the same manpage.., do I need to run some scripts or something before my changes are applied in the source code?
[18:30] <norsetto> NielsE: no, as I said, change also the changelog, so you know which version to build
[18:32] <emgent> heya people
[18:32] <NielsE> the newly created deb has version number 2.1.1-1 (thats also in the changelog), and the original version is called 2.1.1
[18:32] <norsetto> NielsE: 2.1.1 is an upstream version
[18:33] <NielsE> yeah offcourse, thats the original version I wgetted from a gnu-ftp-site
[18:33] <norsetto> NielsE: so, create a new version called 2.1.1-2 which contains a new changelog and your changes to the man pages
[18:34] <norsetto> NielsE: build that and when you install 2.1.1-2 you will see the new man page
[18:34] <NielsE> ok I will try
[18:35] <norsetto> NielsE: otherwise, the only thing I can think of is that there is another manpage being installed
[18:37] <NielsE> to create a new version, all I need to do is making an extra entry in the changelog and do "debuild", "debuild -S" and do a new pbuild?
[18:38] <norsetto> Nielse: only debuild -S and then a new pbuilder build, debuild alone will make a new deb
[18:41] <NielsE> I think I have found a part of the problem, hello.1 says: " DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE!  It was generated by help2man 1.24.", but the tekst that is in the hello.1 is nowhere to be found in the source directory.., where does help2man gets the tekst from?
[18:42] <NielsE> wait.
[18:43] <norsetto> Nielse: give me a link to the tarball
[18:43] <NielsE> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/hello/hello-2.1.1.tar.gz , help2man is the manpage generating script
[18:44] <geser> NielsE: my guess would be it's generated from the output of --help
[18:46] <norsetto> NielsE: looks like is source/hello itself
[18:46] <NielsE> `$this_program' generates a man page out of `--help' and `--version' output, think you're right, now I'm going to find out where in the source code the --help gets printed I think
[18:47] <NielsE> yeah I found it in the C source code, yay
[18:52] <NielsE> also when you submit a new patch to a bugreport, do you only give the diff or the whole new .deb?
[18:54] <geser> NielsE: only the (deb)diff
[18:55] <NielsE> thanks, my edited manpage is working :)
[18:56] <NielsE> I do need a "debuild" before I do a "debuild -S" though or else he won't compile the program again and thus the manpage is unchanged then
[18:58] <NielsE> thank you very much for your time :-)
[19:28] <sistpoty> cyberix: good work with mi2svg :)
[20:32]  * sistpoty is off again
[21:10] <mathiaz> What's the current policy about Vcs-* fields when doing a merge from Debian ? Should they be moved to XS-Vcs-* ?
[21:14] <slangasek> mathiaz: why would you move them to XS-Vcs-*?  Current dpkg in intrepid recognizes Vcs-*, doesn't it?
[21:14] <persia> slangasek: Yes.
[21:14]  * slangasek nods
[21:15] <geser> slangasek: I guess the idea is that the Ubuntu package isn't managed in the specified vcs
[21:15] <slangasek> mathiaz: anyway, what I've seen some developers do, which makes sense to me, is move the Debian value to XS-Orig-Vcs-*, and set a Vcs-* value pointing at the Ubuntu repo
[21:15] <persia> mathiaz: There's been some discussion, but no resolution.  Some people believe that it ought be removed or point to an Ubuntu VCS unless the Ubuntu changes are committed to the previously identified VCS.
[21:15] <persia> Some people prefer to leave it alone, as being an extra thing to have to change.
[21:15] <slangasek> geser: that's reasonable, but XS-Orig-Vcs-* doesn't achieve that :)
[21:15] <slangasek> geser: er, I mean, XS-Vcs-* doesn't achieve that
[21:16] <persia> XS-Orig-Vcs-* might, but the tools will all ignore it.
[21:16] <slangasek> since it's just a roundabout way to wind up with the same Vcs-* field in the source package
[21:16] <mathiaz> slangasek: hm.. ok so there isn't an official recommendation then
[21:16] <slangasek> ttbomk, that's correct
[21:17] <persia> mathiaz: It's that s/Vcs/XS-Vcs/ has absolutely no effect on the binary package produced.
[21:18] <mathiaz> persia: ok - I'll leave them as is for now (following the road of "this is an extra thing to change")
[21:19] <persia> mathiaz: OK.  On the other hand, if you want to renew the discussion on the mailing list, it might not be bad.  It's likely too late for intrepid, but we ought get some resolution at some point, and need to do it while people are still merging, but before a new release starts.
[21:20] <slangasek> I propose that for intrepid, we implement the whole-archive import and have bzr autogenerate the values ;)
[21:21] <persia> slangasek: Too late for intrepid.  Please make another suggestion.
[21:21] <persia> Also, last I looked, we didn't have merge tools smart enough to automate merging.
[22:35] <mouz> I tried to introduce a (fake) dependency by expanding the Depends: entry in debian/control. I compiled using pbuilder. The package I added is not in the pbuilder cache (nor anywhere else on my system). I expected pbuilder to retrieve it, but that did not happen. How come? Does something somewhere understand there is no real dependency?
[22:35] <laga> as you have just been told elsewhere, you need to expand the build dependencies :)
[22:36] <mouz> :) Wanted to see what's the difference between the channels. Could have asked it more directly.
[22:36] <laga> i hope we passed your little quiz then.
[22:36] <mouz> so far not much diff
[22:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: sebner wants to join the amarok team
[22:39]  * sebner starts to hate apachelogger -.-
[22:39] <Nightrose> sebner:  what do you want to do?
[22:39] <emgent> hehehe :)
[22:39] <emgent> hi slomo
[22:39] <emgent> sebner:
[22:39] <emgent> :)
[22:39] <sebner> huhu ember
[22:40] <sebner> huhu emgent -.-
[22:40] <emgent> lol
[22:40] <sebner> Nightrose: well, that's somehow a problem. dunno where I fit
[22:40] <Nightrose> sebner: tell me what you are good at ;-)
[22:40] <sebner> apachelogger: hmm?
[22:40] <Nightrose> and I will try to find something for you
[23:02] <sebner> gn8 folks


[02:05] <damianos> Hello need a little help with gtkrc please
[02:06] <damianos> I'm trying to skin inkscape via ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and nothing I do affects it
[02:28] <bjsnider> well, this is definitely the right place for that question
[05:16] <ricotz> darkxst, ping
[05:20] <ricotz> darkxst, the current webkit lib packages for raring are unstripped and massively huge
[05:21] <ricotz> darkxst, why did you drop dh_strip on raring and left it in saucy?
[05:21] <ricotz> 627M    usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.18.9
[05:28] <jbicha> in a few hours, you should be able to just run backportpackage to get the latest webkitgtk since it includes the last of the Ubuntu diff
[12:55] <ShawnMcCool> is it possible to get ubuntu one in ubuntu gnome?
[17:44] <poopbaron> hey I want to give ubuntu gnome a spin, but am worried about compatability with the fglrx driver...anyone know if the two can coexist?
[22:27] <jbicha> darkxst: I backported webkit to the gnome3/raring ppa, the -dbg packages are much smaller than they were before
[22:30] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[22:30] <darkxst> I see the ddebs are still broken as well anyway
[22:31] <jbicha> supposedly this version will build on powerpc which just leaves the USC bug as a blocker from uploading to saucy
[22:32] <jbicha> if we upload to Saucy, there won't be a problem with bug reproducability though :|
[22:33] <darkxst> I still think its somehow related to speed and or network latency. I cannot reproduce it all on my main machine


[02:06] <mup> Issue operator#675 closed: Harness should know the app name before `begin` <Created by sed-i> <Closed by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/675>
[08:15] <mup> Issue operator#694 opened: Harness.Container.get_services() does not seem correctly mocked <Created by mmanciop> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/694>


[00:00] <cajuuh> holstein; yeap i know, but software center or synaptic don't have the 'suite' name on it
[00:00] <holstein> cajuuh: ?
[00:00] <cajuuh> holstein; do i have to find all the programs and them install it?
[00:00] <holstein> you wont find the word 'suite'
[00:00] <holstein> you can search for the term 'ubuntustudio
[00:00] <holstein> but, you dont need all of those
[00:00] <holstein> some are related to the UI
[00:00] <holstein> i suggest literally just installing what you need
[00:00] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio
[00:00] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[00:01] <holstein> ubuntustudio-graphics
[00:01] <holstein> whatever you want
[00:01] <cajuuh> holstein; find it! thanks dude
[00:01] <holstein> cool
[00:01] <holstein> !vanilla


[15:55] <starcraftman> mdke: ya there?
[21:00] <mdke> starcraftman: yep, got your email, but I haven't read it properly yet
[21:01] <mdke> welcome saji
[21:01] <starcraftman> mdke: sokay, I didn't have that much to say in it, still not quite sure what to do. Depends on the goals.
[21:01] <starcraftman> also, lo again saji, hehe.
[21:01] <saji> starcraftman, Hi there.
[21:01] <saji> mdke, thanks..
[21:01] <mdke> starcraftman: I'll have a read and respond by email, if that's ok - I need to disconnect now
[21:01] <mdke> been a long day!
[21:02] <starcraftman> mdke: a sure thing, I completely understand.
[21:02] <starcraftman> You take care, and talk to ya another day, I'll be around the weekend sometime, if not then email it is.
[21:02] <mdke> awesome, thanks
[21:02] <mdke> ciao
[21:02] <saji> mdke, bye for now..
[21:04] <starcraftman> saji: any questions?
[21:04] <saji> starcraftman, what does the #ubuntu-classroom channel discuss on?
[21:04] <starcraftman> right now it's being used by openweek...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[21:05] <starcraftman> Varies I believe. Not an expert, I don't really hold sessions.
[21:05] <saji> starcraftman, ok.. I too guessed so...
[21:07] <saji> starcraftman, I'm getting an error.
[21:07] <saji> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-docs
[21:07] <saji> The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[21:07] <saji> RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89.
[21:07] <saji> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? y
[21:07] <saji> Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes
[21:07] <saji> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[21:07] <saji> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:07] <saji> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[21:09] <starcraftman> saji: this is a case where I should know more about bzr.... definitely a project for weekend. I can't offer advice on error unfortunately.
[21:09] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ^!
[21:10] <saji> starcraftman, Its ok.
[21:10] <saji> starcraftman, Anyone I can ask for bzr help?
[21:10] <starcraftman> saji: thats why I pinged rocket....
[21:11] <starcraftman> he'll be here, momentarily. Bet he's just waiting a bit so as to break the wonderful pattern.
[21:11] <saji> starcraftman, oh is ^! for pinging?
[21:11] <starcraftman> saji: no that was just me indicating ^ for read up and ! cuz I felt like it.
[21:11]  * Rocket2DMn shows up
[21:12] <starcraftman> ping is when ya put the nick in the message text
[21:12] <starcraftman> :P
[21:12] <saji> starcraftman, oh u meant a logical ping.. I get that now..
[21:12] <starcraftman> later, I go to java class, time to learn more on classes and arrays.
[21:12] <starcraftman> saji: Rgr!
[21:12] <Rocket2DMn> saji, so it looks like you accepted the ssh key from launchpad, but it doesnt like your credentials
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> i dont recall if you need a key or not...
[21:13] <saji> starcraftman, bye for now..
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> ah yes, you need to generate a private key
[21:13] <saji> Rocket2DMn, so what have i to do now?
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> saji, have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository
[21:14] <saji> Rocket2DMn, Sorry, I hadn't.. But, I'll see it now.
[21:14] <Rocket2DMn> no problem, have a look there and follow the directions
[21:14] <Rocket2DMn> i assume you alreay have a LP account?
[21:15] <saji> Rocket2DMn, sure i have LP account.
[21:15] <Rocket2DMn> ok, it sounds like you just need to get your SSH key setup and then identify with LP through bazaar
[21:15] <saji> Rocket2DMn, and i have both OPenPGP and SSH keys.. :)
[21:16] <saji> Rocket2DMn, How'll use the existing SSH key for that?
[21:16] <Rocket2DMn> saji, is that SSH key registered with LP?
[21:16] <saji> Rocket2DMn, yes.
[21:17] <Rocket2DMn> i think you should be able to login then
[21:17] <Rocket2DMn> bzr launchpad-login yourusernamehere
[21:17] <saji> Rocket2DMn, will my SSH key be lost after I reinstall Ubuntu?
[21:18] <saji> Rocket2DMn, I think that may be the problem. I have installed Ubuntu 9.10 now?
[21:18] <saji> ...
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> saji, if you dont have a separate /home partition, then yes, but they can be backed up
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> upgrading versions wont lose it though
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> did you do a fresh install?
[21:19] <saji> Rocket2DMn, I don't have seperate home partition, and i had had a fresh install...
[21:19] <saji> My launchpad id is-https://launchpad.net/~sajinsj
[21:19] <saji> sorry, https://launchpad.net/~sajinsj
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> in that case you need to generate a new SSH key b/c your private key would have been lost when you wiped the drive
[21:20] <saji> Rocket2DMn, But I think i have saved the keys..
[21:20] <saji> Rocket2DMn, What will be its extension?
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> saji, i think it's the files in the .ssh directory in your home folder
[21:21] <saji> Rocket2DMn, i have a server.crt, server.key files. IS that it?
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, i'm not really sure saji , if you backed them up with those names it would make sense
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> i don't have any files like that though
[21:22] <saji> Rocketman, ok.
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> did you follow directions from somewhere when you backed them up?
[21:23] <saji> Rocketman, I also have a file called 'saji_key.pub'. It is SSH related files.
[21:23] <saji> As i can see from its content,,
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> yeah saji , i have "id_rsa" and "id_rsa.pub"
[21:24] <saji> Rocket2DMn, No i hadn't followed any instructions, I just saved all the key files in my Home folder before the fresh install..
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> the former must be the private key and the latter the public key
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> i also have a "config" file
[21:24] <Rocket2DMn> i guess you just need those two though, the config file can be recreated with different settings
[21:24] <saji> I have the first two files, but no "config" file..
[21:25] <Rocket2DMn> i also added a setting in my config file for LP
[21:25] <Rocket2DMn> i dont think its needed though
[21:25] <saji> Rocket2DMn, where do i find the instructions to do that?
[21:25] <saji> Rocket2DMn, If its not needed then its fine.
[21:26] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, have a look here - https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch
[21:26] <Rocket2DMn> it explains adding to the config file
[21:26] <saji> Rocket2DMn, ok.
[21:26] <Rocket2DMn> i'm not a SSH or bzr expert
[21:27] <Rocket2DMn> i know more about theory than setting it up
[21:27] <saji> Rocket2DMn, That's fine with me. :)
[21:27] <Rocket2DMn> we could ping nhandler , too, he would know for sure
[21:28] <saji> Rocket2DMn, I think he is away.
[21:28] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, he is, but he's around often, he might be back soon
[21:29] <saji> Rocket2DMn, In the mean time et me check out the instructions in the page u said.
[21:30] <saji> Rocket2DMn, Where should i put the two files? In '.ssh' folder?
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> yeah
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> i think there are more secure ways of backing up ssh keys, but i've just used an immediate copy of my .ssh directory inthe past
[21:31] <Rocket2DMn> I wouldn't recommend that when using shared resources though
[21:32] <saji> Rocket2DMn, what?
[21:32] <Rocket2DMn> nvm
[21:34] <saji> Rocket2DMn, what is that?
[21:34] <saji> Rocket2DMn, And what shared resources?
[21:35] <Rocket2DMn> saji, any computer system or component that you share with other people
[21:35] <dsas> saji, just keep your ssh private key safe, don't let other people have access :)
[21:35] <Rocket2DMn> so for instance if you share an external hard drive or flash drive with somebody else, you shouldhn't back up your private key there
[21:36] <saji> dsas, ok.
[21:36] <saji> Rocket2DMn, Got that.. thanks.
[21:36] <Rocket2DMn> saji, make sure your private key permissions are set to 600
[21:37] <saji> Rocket2DMn, ok..
[21:39] <saji> Rocket2DMn, the IdentityFile in config is private key. Right?
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> saji, i believe so.  I don't have that entry there, probably b/c I'm using a default filename for my key
[21:40] <Rocket2DMn> either that or there is only one private key available
[21:41] <saji> Rocket2DMn, ok. But the entry is for private key. right?
[21:42] <Rocket2DMn> saji, that would be my assumption, but I don't know for sure
[21:42] <saji> Rocket2DMn, ok. I'll try..
[21:43] <saji> Rocket2DMn, yes it is.... :)
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> are you connected with LP now ?
[21:43] <saji> Rocket2DMn, Now the fetching works fine. Thanks..:)
[21:43] <saji> Rocket2DMn, yes.
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> sweet
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> np
[21:44] <saji> I'm connected to LP.
[21:44] <saji> Shall I disturb you with another key retrieval?
[21:44] <saji> doubt. I mean..
[21:45] <saji> Rocket2DMn, ?
[21:45] <Rocket2DMn> huh?
[21:46] <saji> Rocket2DMn, I think on the fresh install now my openpgp key is also not there, how will I place it back?
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> saji, those would be in your .gnupg directory
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> I don't know about recovering those unless you just have a backup of the directory
[21:47] <saji> Rocket2DMn, nope I didn't take backup of that directory.
[21:48] <saji> Rocket2DMn, Is the server.key and server.crt key openpgp ones?
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> I don't think so saji , i think gpg keys all end in .gpg
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> however, if you changed the name when you backed them up, then idk
[21:49] <saji> Rocket2DMn, ok.
[21:50] <saji> Rocket2DMn, No I didn;t change any names.. I guess those are not the files.
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> ok, you may need to try in the #ubuntu support channel, or on the forums
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> It sounds like you need to keep your backups a bit more organized :)
[21:51] <saji> Rocket2DMn, I guess i have to create a new openpgp key. And sign the Ubuntu COC again..
[21:51] <saji> Rocket2DMn, Ya... :)
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> hehe
[21:54] <saji> hmmmm...
[21:59] <saji> Rocket2DMn, thanks for the help. I'm off now. Gonna make a new openpgp key.
[22:00] <saji> Rocket2DMn, starcraft Bye....


[01:31] <jbicha> blathijs: thank you. I uploaded a proposed fix for that now
[09:30] <blathijs> jbicha: Thanks, though it does not seem to fix the problem yet. I've uploaded an adapted version that does seem to work for me.
[11:33] <jbicha> blathijs: hmm, your diff isn't very readable
[11:55] <KGB-2> gdm signed tags 3f40824 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/42.0-1ubuntu5 * gdm3 Debian release 42.0-1ubuntu5 * https://deb.li/3ULiI
[13:29] <blathijs> jbicha: Oh, sorry, seems my git diff was configured to output coloring there, woops
[13:31] <blathijs> jbicha: But your last commit is exactly the patch I submitted, so I guess you figured it out :-)
[17:04] <jbicha> blathijs: oh good :) thank you for the help
[19:51] <waveform> ah, this explains why wayland suddenly disappeared from my pi desktop! (was wondering why all my "check if it's still broken under wayland" tests were miraculously working all of a sudden :)


[18:43] <xu-irc95w> WiFi does not auto restart (when disconnected for a few seconds) and need to restart, any ideas to solve this problem?
[18:43] <xu-irc95w> on xubuntu 20.4 not on bodhi
[18:43] <xu-irc95w> WiFi does not auto restart (when disconnected for a few seconds) and need to restart, any ideas to solve this problem?
[18:43] <xu-irc95w> on xubuntu 20.4
[18:52] <xu-irc95w> WiFi does not auto restart (when disconnected for a few seconds) and need to restart,
[18:52] <xu-irc95w> on xubuntu 20.4
[18:56] <Maik> !patience | xu-irc95w
[18:57] <Maik> and there's no 20.4, it's 20.04, the work with yy/mm
[18:57] <Maik> the/they
[18:58] <diogenes_> xu-irc95w, i get a feeling that nobody understands what you're trying to say/do...
[18:59] <xu-irc95w> xubuntu 20.04


[00:00] <ricotz> i am not an expert with this, but i really doubt that
[00:04] <darkxst> well I don't really know
[00:04] <darkxst> other than that tarball builds and gjs builds (in jhbuild)
[00:08] <ricotz> sure it builds, but it needs to be patched for "real-life" usage ;)
[00:17] <darkxst> well upstream seem to think otherwise, and I don't know enough to really argue the point
[00:18] <jbicha> ricotz: by the way, g-s-d from the staging PPA seems to not work with setting a different locale/language (~/.pam_environment seems to just be ignored)
[00:19] <darkxst> jbicha, do I need to file a bug for gee update? http://pastebin.com/QdJqhaVL
[00:20] <ricotz> jbicha, i see
[00:21] <ricotz> darkxst, something broke the g-s gir building, feel free to look at it, should be the fault of gjs/mozjs -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+packages
[00:22] <jbicha> darkxst: I don't think we need a bug since it's in universe (so I can upload it) & doesn't require a transition
[00:31] <darkxst> ricotz, I know what that is
[00:32] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/aujJKGdR
[00:33] <darkxst> (gi scanner chokes on the -include now in cflags)
[00:35] <ricotz> hmm, interesting, this should be handled in g-i
[00:39] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh, probably. had meant to look into it further, but haven't had a chance yet
[00:39] <ricotz> darkxst, thanks
[00:39] <ricotz> darkxst, i knew you already ran into this ;)
[00:41] <ricotz> bye, g2g
[00:42] <jbicha> darkxst: I think I'll upload devel-docs to raring directly as nothing is 3.8 specific
[00:42] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[03:02] <britt> hey guys
[03:03] <britt> I really like the new software defaults for 13.04
[03:03] <britt> good work
[03:15] <britt> I do have a couple of weird issues with the gnome-shell though
[03:19] <britt> I filed a bug about AM/PM time no longer working
[03:20] <britt> and also on my dual monitors, my mouse is getting hung up on the bottom of the primary screen when trying to pan over
[03:20] <britt> it's in the notification area, except the notification screen hasn't slid up yet, it is just perminantly unable to pan from one montor to the next in the bottom 3/4inch of my screen
[14:10] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, did you look into folks 0.9.1?
[14:10] <ricotz> currently doing e-d-s 3.7.90 which is needed for folks, i guess
[23:42] <ricotz> darkxst, folks is uploaded


[00:40] <Traveler> Hight there, MutantTurkey
[00:42] <MutantTurkey> Heya
[00:42] <Traveler> On 'lunch' break from class for a bit.
[00:42] <MutantTurkey> nice nice
[00:42] <MutantTurkey> I just returned home from my favorite pizzeria
[00:43] <Traveler> good turkey bacon ?
[00:43] <Traveler> yummy ?
[00:43] <MutantTurkey> no
[00:44] <MutantTurkey> Infact i had already eaten, but accompanied my friend there.
[00:44] <Traveler> kinda silly to go to your favorite place while full.
[00:46] <MutantTurkey> I was actually on my way to the seven eleven to visit a friend working there, met another bud there randomly and agreed to join him to give him company while he ate
[00:50] <Traveler> Hi SamuraiAlba
[00:50] <Traveler> on 'lunch' break at moment
[00:50] <SamuraiAlba> heya
[00:50] <SamuraiAlba> One drive is experiencing failure
[00:50] <MutantTurkey> D;
[00:50] <SamuraiAlba> gradual but certain
[00:50] <SamuraiAlba> other drive is peachy
[00:50] <SamuraiAlba> I'm thinking... wall clock
[00:51] <SamuraiAlba> Root canal took 10 minutes, today
[00:51] <SamuraiAlba> as in... they realized #8 is NOT root canal material...
[00:51] <SamuraiAlba> since they REMOVED IT LAST WEEK
[00:54] <Traveler> ha ha
[00:54] <Traveler> talking about the 2 160s ?
[01:00] <SamuraiAlba> yeah.  One is getting erratic spindle speeds
[01:01] <SamuraiAlba> motor seems to be taking a healthy dump
[01:01] <SamuraiAlba> other is diagnosing perfect
[01:09] <Traveler> lunch done, class back
[04:51] <InHisName> all to bed already ?
[05:18]  * waltman *yawns*
[18:51] <ChinnoDog> We are bacon free today.
[18:52] <JonathanD> I shall aquire some bacon.
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> That is ok. I am fine with bacon embargo.
[19:00]  * ssweeny has some turkey bacon. will ship for a price...
[19:07] <ChinnoDog> $0. Use it as rocket fuel like on Mythbusters.
[19:13] <JonathanD> I have bacon