[00:00] <blognewb> wilee-nilee, so can a livecd read and write to an sd card?
[00:00] <reisio> blognewb: probably, depends on if that's in the kernel, which it probably is
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Easiest is sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # in front of saucy partners. Genrally I would say gksudo her to open it but that is the crux.
[00:01] <blognewb> reisio, what does kernel mean here? im so dumb about hardware and interfaces im sorry
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> here*
[00:01] <zykotick9> !gksudo | wilee-nilee
[00:01] <mojtaba> reisio: it is already mounted and I can see it via GUI. But how can I have access to it via cmd?
[00:02] <reisio> mojtaba: should say where it is at the top of the file manager
[00:02] <reisio> mojtaba: or you can right-click on a directory and open a terminal
[00:02] <allstarsnorks2_> okay done
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, The user has no gksudo and can't install gksu, I'm assuming it is in the partners repo, I would suggest a cli edit but this is a fresh user, you are welcome to show them how. ;)
[00:02] <reisio> blognewb: it's a fundamental part of an OS, in the case of GNU/Linux it holds most of the drivers, like for card readers
[00:03] <mojtaba> reisio: mtp://[usb:002,077]/Phone/DCIM/Camera
[00:03] <reisio> blognewb: most live OS images will have large kernels built to support a lot of hardware automatically
[00:03] <reisio> mojtaba: ah, mtp is something else
[00:03] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: removed the 2 # that contains ubuntu partners
[00:03] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: i'd suggest "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" from terminal then...
[00:03] <reisio> mojtaba: if it doesn't show up in the output of the 'mount' command, you'd probably have to copy it from the file manager, graphically
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Which can be a problem if the person does not know how to save, as I said feel free to instruct. a single sudo on the sources list is hardly a problem, it is long term not using that is.
[00:04] <blognewb> reisio, i see so the kernel is not a hardware right?
[00:04] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: fyi gksu is in "main" whatever ubuntu calls that...
[00:04] <mojtaba> reisio: You mean there is no way to reach it via cmd?!
[00:04] <zykotick9> !info gksu
[00:04] <mojtaba> reisio: Actually I have copied lots of files and I would like to see if they are identical or not via cmd.
[00:05] <reisio> mojtaba: no there are probably lots of ways
[00:05] <reisio> but I don't know mtp, so I don't know what tools there are for it
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I had them run cat /etc/apt/sources.list and pastbin it that repo is open and gave them the install command yet no gksu.
[00:05] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: i have to assume the origional poster is NOT running ubuntu
[00:05] <allstarsnorks2_> so?
[00:05] <reisio> mojtaba: other than if it shows up in 'mount' output
[00:05] <reisio> blognewb: right, software
[00:05] <mojtaba> reisio: no
[00:05] <Imaginati0n> Hello i installed ubuntu and i have one question. Is it normal for the update manager to auto-open when it has new updates?
[00:05] <mehwork> i have a 5 year old eeepc (netbook). Will the latest version of ubuntu work on it? I want something fast
[00:06] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: oh right, i saw you do that - and thought it was clever.  so they are running ubuntu?
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, here is their cat. http://pastebin.com/cRqRkPtP
[00:06] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: sorry, i don't visit pastebin.com
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Probably a bad install command
[00:06] <reisio> mehwork: what processor? how much ram?
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, yeah it's ubuntu
[00:07] <reisio> mehwork: what graphics?
[00:07] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: that's messed then...  best of luck, to you and the OP
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Have you run a sudo apt-get update
[00:07] <mehwork> reisio: 1gb ram. itel atom cpu
[00:07] <mehwork> 10.1" ultra-mobility display
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, It's a mystery I tell yah. ;)
[00:08] <zykotick9> mehwork: consider xubuntu/lubuntu if you are looking for speed...
[00:08] <reisio> mehwork: and I'm guessing only intel graphics?
[00:08] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: running it now and will update you
[00:08] <Sam__> omg_scout  Thanks for all the good information. I have not bought the Lenovo model T yet so I am hoping that the installer can lead me through repartitioning the drive. Thanks for the help again.
[00:08] <mehwork> reisio: probably
[00:08] <reisio> mehwork: yeah, basically what zykotick9 said
[00:08] <mehwork> reisio: i dont even care about graphics. i'd be happy for just a cli version of ubuntu if it's possible
[00:08] <reisio> you can get more if you go with even less still, too
[00:08] <Imaginati0n> Is it normal for the update manager to auto-open in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[00:08] <mehwork> i just want it to run fast. It has an ubuntu on it right now and it's super slow
[00:08] <mehwork> but i havent reinstalled in years
[00:08] <reisio> mehwork: what do you want to do with it?
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Always run that first when you install.
[00:09] <mehwork> reisio: just command-line stuff
[00:09] <reisio> mehwork: you could just disable X then
[00:09] <mehwork> and python
[00:09] <mehwork> how do you disable x?
[00:09] <reisio> but if you want to install a new version anyways, use the minimalcd, I think it might let you opt out of desktop environment
[00:10] <mehwork> i want it to be permenant so it doesnt load it slowly everytime i reboot
[00:10] <Guest24204> is it possible to mount /home enrypted by ubuntu in another OS? How does Ubuntu Encrypt?
[00:10] <allstarsnorks2_> how many files will it update?
[00:11] <reisio> mehwork: what version of Ubuntu has it got?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, None till you run sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:11] <reisio> Guest24204: yes, but you need to know the answer to that question
[00:11] <blognewb> hey guys i know my bios version but how do i find out if it can boot from SD so i can boot the ubuntu from there please :(( help me oh
[00:11] <reisio> Guest24204: it can vary, but it's probably with ecryptfs
[00:11] <mehwork> reisio: 10.10
[00:11] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: Huh, well then
[00:11] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: did "apt-get update" fix the missing gksu?
[00:11] <reisio> mehwork: so it's using GNOME?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Running the update is key to seeting up the communication between the computer and the repos on a install.
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> setting*
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Still waiting for the answer.
[00:12] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: okay then I'll update you. for now it's just running.
[00:12] <reisio> mehwork: probably be sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[00:12] <nismoSVK> sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:12] <reisio> mehwork: or s/gdm/lightdm
[00:12] <Guest24204> reisio: does LMDE have encryptfs?
[00:12] <reisio> Guest24204: 'ecryptfs', is available to any distro
[00:12] <reisio> as is basically any software
[00:13] <Guest24204> reisio: right, but I can't boot my new OS to install it..
[00:13] <allstarsnorks2_> well, it detected "gksu" alright. @wilee-nilee
[00:13] <Guest24204> reisio: at least I have something to google now. Thanks
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I did neglect to check which repo it was in and assumed the partners, having it not part of the stock install, hehe the bot would have told me. We have lift off now. ;)
[00:14] <reisio> Guest24204: hrmm?
[00:14] <Guest24204> reisio: I guess I can try re-intsalling ubuntu..
[00:14] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: nice!  good job.  <that is why i sent the "!info gksu" to you>
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Cool, so you understand that intial ujpdate run to sync the repos with the computer and update and upgrade are standard commands.
[00:15] <reisio> Guest24204: to accomplish what?
[00:15]  * wilee-nilee bows to zykotick9
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> in thanks
[00:15] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: ;)
[00:16] <Guest24204> reisio: A system I can access my files in..
[00:16] <mehwork> reisio: i ran that command and it just said it was removing gdm startuplinks but when i rebooted it went rigght back into gnome
[00:16] <allstarsnorks2_> GREAT! Now I can start installing relinux.  Looks like Mint doesn't http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/01/01/how-to-install-linux-mint-debian-edition-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system/
[00:18] <reisio> I'd guess they both do, but don't care :)
[00:18] <zykotick9> mehwork: sorry, checking above my post would have been good ;)
[00:18] <wilee-nilee> Kajunfiend, try to not swear please. ;)
[00:19] <unicornjedi> helllllo, I am new to apache2. I was wondering how can I add an alias to my website? Right now, my website name is just my public IP address. I want it to be like... swagdogs.awesome.net or something
[00:19] <reisio> unicornjedi: without actually acquiring a sub/domain?
[00:19] <reisio> unicornjedi: you could use /etc/hosts
[00:19] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: do you own the DNS for awesome.net?
[00:20] <unicornjedi> zykotick9,  no I do not :/
[00:20] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: without a proper DNS ownership, IP is all you can use.
[00:20] <I> hey
[00:20] <Danato> is there a way to change the volume control appearance on kde?
[00:20] <allstarsnorks2_> can you guys tell me some good programs to make a custom made Ubuntu install?
[00:21] <reisio> allstarsnorks2_: clockywock
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> reisio, mmmm analog
[00:22] <Danato> nvm found it :)
[00:22] <unicornjedi> zykotick9, hmm.. is there a way to get a free domain name?
[00:22] <allstarsnorks2_> it's sad that remastersys was canceled
[00:23] <reisio> unicornjedi: not really, but you can get a free subdomain pretty easily
[00:23] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: i doubt it...
[00:23] <unicornjedi> reisio, ooh do tell
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Congratulations your the one millionth new user that wants to make a custom distro.
[00:23] <reisio> unicornjedi: there are lots of services, let me find a list
[00:23] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: i use to use no-ip, but i don't anymore.
[00:24] <reisio> unicornjedi: something like http://freedns.afraid.org/
[00:24] <reisio> http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/
[00:24] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: uh,. thanks?
[00:24] <allstarsnorks2_> VirtualBox servers are down GREAT
[00:25] <CountryfiedLinux> HDMI audio doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[00:25] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, It was a joke, we just see this on a daily basis is all, so many linux distros and hardly a difference between them really.
[00:26] <allstarsnorks2_> WTF now my internet connection is screwed
[00:26] <yottabit> i don't get the point of installing Refind
[00:26] <allstarsnorks2_> brb guys
[00:26] <reisio> yottabit: the end
[00:26] <yottabit> reisio: eh?
[00:26] <unicornjedi> reisio, okay so how do I use subdomains??
[00:27] <reisio> unicornjedi: read their instructions
[00:27] <dvb-nouveau> has anyone managed to install klear on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:29] <genii> dvb-nouveau: Seeing as it's abandonware by it's authors in 2006 I don't think I'd want to try.
[00:29] <Anden> so.. i installed a package with dpkg -i that has a dependency i don't meet but my program works fine anyway. how can i make apt-get stop nagging me about it without uninstalling the whole program?
[00:31] <yellowfish> ayone good at setting cron jobs?
[00:31] <yellowfish> the full path is confusing me
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> !cron
[00:31] <reisio> yellowfish: confusing you how
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> yellowfish, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[00:32] <Anden> i actually ran dpkg with --ignore-depends=the package i didn't have but apt-get nags me anyway
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> !info klear
[00:32] <CountryfiedLinux> HDMI audio doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> !find klear
[00:32] <yellowfish> from what directory does cron run?
[00:32] <yellowfish> I'm using aws ec2
[00:34] <yellowfish> if I'm running a cronjob using python, I can't just use python path/to/file?
[00:34] <yellowfish> I've to do /usr/bin/python?
[00:35] <MrHacks> Has anyone had any success using MTP on 10.13?  I've been trying for over a month now to get this thing to wrok but there is always some error -32 or error -71 and the USB hub won't enumerate the device
[00:35] <MrHacks> "usb 2-1.5: device not accepting address 20, error -71"
[00:36] <MrHacks> "hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5"
[00:36] <zykotick9> MrHacks: 10.13?
[00:36] <MrHacks> Saucy Salamander
[00:36] <MrHacks> s/10.13/13.10/
[00:36] <zykotick9> MrHacks: that is not 10.13.  perhaps 13.10.
[00:37] <MrHacks> Stupid Smarch weather we had that year
[00:37]  * MrHacks reads a note "Do not touch, Willie." Good advice.
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, What is the media?
[00:38] <MrHacks> Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7"  (let's call it KFHD7 for short)
[00:39] <pngl_> Just installed Gnome 3 under Ubuntu 13.10, the bottom of menu items gets cut off and I have some graphical glitches in the dock on the left of the screen. If that's important: I'm using the 3.12 kernel.
[00:39]  * MrHacks is tempted to stick a KMFDM sticker on the back of his KFHD7
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, The shell, gnome 3 underlies several of the desktops already.
[00:40] <pngl_> wilee-nilee: I don't understand
[00:40] <Ari-Yang> pngl_: doubt it doesn't matter whether you're using mainline kernel or not~
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, the gnome shell is the gnome 3 desktop.
[00:41] <sprung> Hi, When I right-click on a file, my options are to Move To, or Copy To, only two options: Home or Desktop. I want to add an SMB share.
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, gnome 3 is under the unity desktop which is s plugin in compiz. Installing gnome is the confusion.
[00:42] <sprung> How can I add a Samba share in the file context menu?
[00:42] <pngl_> Ari-Yang: I was running 14.04 daily earlier and I had none of those glitches so I thought it could be some kind of drivers issues
[00:42] <sprung> Just to post all in one message: Hi, When I right-click on a file, my options are to Move To, or Copy To, only two options: Home or Desktop. I want to add an SMB share. How can I add a Samba share in the file context menu?
[00:42] <pngl_> wilee-nilee: Sorry, I don't understand. Ubuntu comes with Unity, and gnome-shell is what I installed
[00:43] <Ari-Yang> pngl_: what graphics card do you have?
[00:43] <grahamsavage__> Hi, i've been using ubuntu unity on 12.04 about 6 months now full time and i find the windowing management infurating.   The main issue being having multiple windows in a single application open.  For example imagine having 8 windows in an IDE open and 12 terminal windows open.  In both windows and OSX if i want to open a particular tab i click on the icon in the dock or the start menu, all the windows for that application come to focus and i can
[00:43] <grahamsavage__> easily select any of the current windows.  In unity, i have to click wait for it for it to fade out the windows and then select each window indvidually.  This is a huge inefficiency every day and i've not been able to find any work around even though i know most of the ubuntu shortcuts.  Is there anyway to work around this?
[00:43] <c_nick> .close
[00:43] <Anuhak> Hello, can someone recommend a theme with a text cursor that is highly visible?  (wider than the standard blinking  i-beam, maybe also colorful)
[00:43] <pngl_> Ari-Yang: integrated intel graphics 4400
[00:43] <reisio> Anuhak: could make your own
[00:44] <sam113101> where can I download ubuntu 14.04?
[00:44] <Ari-Yang> pngl: you're using the open source intel driver, right?
[00:44] <Ari-Yang> !14.04
[00:44] <Ari-Yang> wups
[00:45] <pngl_> Ari-Yang: I didn't choose anything so if that's the default, yes.
[00:45] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, Good, that is much clearer, I was just point out that unity is a plugin in compiz running on top if gnome 3, just trying to confrim what installing gnome meant.
[00:45] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you need CompizConfig Manager.
[00:45] <sprung> grahamsavage_, You'll want to disable the window effects using that tool.
[00:45] <Ari-Yang> pngl_: alright, maybe you should use latest intel driver then seeing how you're using kernel 3.12... before you try that, I suggest booting into a previous kernel (ubuntu's kernel) and see if you have any glitches
[00:46] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you may have to download it via the Ubuntu Software Center.
[00:46] <dvb-nouveau> has anyone managed to install klear on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:46] <grahamsavage__> sprung: it's not the effects thats the issue, it's that the windows don't all come to focus
[00:46] <sprung> grahamsavage_, oh. Well, i hate to break it to you but that's still an effect.
[00:47] <kostkon> !info klear
[00:47] <sprung> grahamsavage_, it's disabled in the tool i mentioned
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, Running a kernel beyond the release is also technically not supported, is the shell from a ppa perchance as well?
[00:47] <pngl> Ari-Yang: ok, I'll try to reboot (pngl is on another computer). How can I install the latest drivers?
[00:47] <pngl> wilee-nilee: yes it is :( gnome3-team/something
[00:48] <sprung> dvb-nouveau, the way you are forming the question is very bad. We're assuming you already googled for an answer, and you didn't find anything, which you can form a hypothesis using induction that not many people have used this tool, in general, let alone in this channel.
[00:48] <Anden> i'll try a different take on my question: can i uninstall a package without removing the files? so that it just disappears from apt-get but leaves the files it installed on my drive
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> pngl, None of that is technically supported the kernal or the ppa, just a heads up is all.
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: when I say latest, I mean like version from git
[00:49] <pngl> wilee-nilee: since I need 3.12 to correctly run Ubuntu on my laptop, I guess that mans I'm in trouble
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: you can either compile from git http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/ which I don't recommend
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: or add this ppa from here https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ and run apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> which I recommend
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: that ppa only supports 13.04 and 13.10 btw
[00:49] <dvb-nouveau> a guy who i lost touch with managed to install klear on ubuntu 11.10 (NO goole info on that) but i want to install klear on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:49] <sprung> dvb-nouveau, using deductive reasoning formed from the hypothesis through induction, the conclusion is you shouldn't ask whether anyone has used klear, you should instead provide error logs and links to what klear is, also what ubuntu version you are using would be helpful
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> pngl, Not necessarily, you just have some limitations possibly, and I would be sure that is really the case. I doubt it is.
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> dvb-nouveau, Is it in the 12.04 repos?
[00:50] <grahamsavage__> sprung: ok.. i've installed it.. and it's disabled the animation.. it still doesn't bring the windows to the front
[00:50] <pngl> wilee-nilee, Ari-Yang, using kernel 3.11, same issues
[00:50] <jubale> I asked this 4-5 hrs ago, but I've been having trouble playing DVD movies. I've tried using VLC, MPlayer CLI, KMplayer, SMPlayer, and Totem. MPlayer CLI plays first title using GL Video (laggy); without GL first track plays decent, however, no sound.
[00:50] <Ari-Yang> pngl: and that's ubuntu's 3.11 right?
[00:51] <pngl> Ari-Yang: If you mean 13.10, yes
[00:51] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you mean you want certain windows to be Always On Top?
[00:51] <pngl> wilee-nilee: you mean you doubt I'll have limitations or you doubt I need the 3.12 kernel?
[00:51] <Ari-Yang> pngl: hmmm... I don't know then... pngl I guess you could try latest drivers
[00:51] <Ari-Yang> jubale: what's the problem?
[00:51] <dvb-nouveau> sprung: i said very clearly thta i use 12.04. http://www.klear.org/ and no klear is not in the 12.04 repos
[00:51] <MrHacks> Anyone come up with an idea to get MTP to work? Just about every MTP/FUSE software I can think of (especially libmtp, mtpfs, and gmtp) is installed, and I can't even connect my cellphone to my computer in MTP mode.
[00:51] <pngl> Ari-Yang: doing that now
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> pngl, the kernel
[00:51] <sprung> dvb-nouveau, check this out it was written by the guy who wrote the tcp stack http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[00:52] <jubale> I have a paste of "Messages" given by VLC, which tries and instantly fails to load video.
[00:52] <grahamsavage__> sprung: no, i want the windows to be brought to the front when i click on the icon on the left.. imagine 10 terminal windows.. some underlying other applications etc.  When i click on the terminal icon, i'd like them all to be visible
[00:52] <Ari-Yang> pngl: after you add the ppa, run apt-get dist-upgrade, log out and log back in (because you updated the driver)
[00:52] <dvb-nouveau> sprung, you mean Eric S. Raymond???
[00:52] <pngl> wilee-nilee: you're right -- actually I just need two patches. But I just tried with 3.11 and got the same issues.
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> pngl, Some here just wont help unless it is stock from the repos for good reasons, unless there is no other option.
[00:52] <sprung> grahamsavage_, i don't know man i think you should probably just install windows 8 and give up
[00:53] <Ari-Yang> pngl: if you want to revert changes run ppa-purge ppa-here-
[00:53] <grahamsavage__> at the moment it only brings the most recently selected window to the front
[00:53]  * MrHacks wishes there was some device on eBay he can buy to bridge MTP devices with USB making the USB side on the computer was a regular media device and the device side thinking it was some MTP compatible computer.
[00:53] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you could try developing for Unity maybe that will fix it
[00:53] <grahamsavage__> sprung: i find it hard to believe that everyone would just put up with it :/
[00:53] <jubale> And, I would fix the problem if I knew what it actually is.
[00:54] <grahamsavage__> do developers usually use unity or do they use gnome or something else?
[00:54] <ki4ro> Is there a way to change the default email app from Evolution to say gmail?
[00:54] <pete-478> I'm trying to exchange files between 2 Ubuntu desktops across the Internet through VPN. The transfer rates are much slower than the capacity of both locations. I've also tried exchanging files using ssh but that was also slower than capacity. Are there settings in Ubuntu or programs that throttle file exchange rates?
[00:54] <jubale> Hrm. I'll be back in a bit.
[00:54] <sprung> grahamsavage_, well, that thing that you're talking about, we still don't know what your issue is, something about your windows not all coming up
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, There is a mtp ppa that was suggested for 12.04 you might look.
[00:55] <Ari-Yang> pngl: make sure you run apt-get update after adding the ppa before running apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:56] <grahamsavage__> sprung: http://i.imgur.com/NtvWkjH.png
[00:56] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, up to raring https://launchpad.net/~langdalepl/+archive/gvfs-mtp
[00:56] <sprung> lol
[00:56] <sprung> thats an awesome fail
[00:56] <grahamsavage__> sprung: ok.. i have clicked on the terminal icon on the left hand side.. i would expect that all 3 terminal windows would be on the top layer
[00:56] <pngl> wilee-nilee: more precisely there's no wireless drivers and no cpu scaling feature for my laptop on 3.11, so I need to do *something*
[00:56] <pete-478> I'm using OpenVPN for VPN and also noticed that remote shell is laggy when tranfering files, so the slow speed has something to do with VPN. Does OpenVPN throttle bandwidth or is it somehow inherently slow?
[00:56] <pngl> Ari-Yang: yep :)
[00:57] <sprung> grahamsavage_, yep i have no idea what caused that but now you have a faster way of explaining it at least
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> pngl, Have you proclaimed the wifi hardware as of yet here now or ever?
[00:57] <grahamsavage__> sprung: oh thats not normal behaviour?
[00:57] <pngl> wilee-nilee: Not sure I understood your question. Here's where I'm coming from: https://spicious.com/sony-vaio-pro-11-with-ubuntu.html
[00:58] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: tried that and it didn't work for KFHD7. connections are flakey with gvfs-mtp with my rooted Cyanogenmod'd HP Touchpad
[00:58] <sprung> grahamsavage_, what happens what you left click the terminal icon and a group of windows comes up to select to go to the foreground and you select one that is not in the current foreground?
[00:58] <grahamsavage__> yes, that works
[00:59] <BuntuFuntu> MrHacks, do they still  sell Touchpads?
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> pngl, That link comes up at untrusted on FF here, can you run lspci if the wifi is internal and lsusb if external and post the actual hardware, the cpu scaling I would have no clue of.
[00:59] <sprung> grahamsavage_, is your xchat set to always on top?
[00:59] <MrHacks> No. I snagged my when HP decided to sell them for $99 because WebOS sucked
[01:00] <grahamsavage__> sprung: ok think of it this way... imagine i have 100 terminal windows how do i bring them all to focus .. do i have to go   1. click menu 2. click window A  2. click menu 3. click menu B ... repeat ?
[01:00] <yeyeman> how do I change the permissions of a directory and all files and directories in it?
[01:00] <grahamsavage__> sorry bring them to the foreground
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, Ah, how old is the OS is it 4.2 or above?
[01:00] <ianorlin> you can use another DE if you want
[01:01] <grahamsavage__> yeyemen: chmod -R 777 dirname
[01:01] <daftykins> MrHacks: just in case you weren't aware, there's a #cyanogenmod-touchpad
[01:01] <sam113101> where can I download ubuntu 14.04?
[01:01] <dvb-nouveau> sprung, you mean Eric S. Raymond???
[01:01] <daftykins> sam113101: come back in April
[01:01] <sprung> grahamsavage_, this is actually i problem i have had too but to fix it i just have started it in a new desktop (often i open 20 cssh terminals at once)
[01:01] <BuntuFuntu> Sam113101: Not released yet I don't think.
[01:01] <wilee-nilee> sam113101, google 14.04 daily and the correct channel for it is #ubuntu+1
[01:02] <BuntuFuntu> I'mma go google that :D
[01:02] <sprung> grahamsavage_, ctrl+alt+right
[01:02] <sam113101> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:02] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: On the KFHD7? FireOS 7.4.6_user_4620220 which is some Android 2.4 something
[01:02] <yeyeman> is it possible to always use ubuntu as root?
[01:02] <grahamsavage__> sprung: you mean a different desktop UI ?
[01:02] <grahamsavage__> sprung: which one do you use?
[01:02] <yeyeman> like administrator in windows
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, That old an android wont work is all
[01:03] <yeyeman> I'm tired of my OS protecting itself from me
[01:03] <zykotick9> yeyeman: horrible idea!
[01:03] <badger> hello, is this the right place for help with ubuntu?
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> badger, yep
[01:03] <BuntuFuntu> Badger: Yes.
[01:03] <yeyeman> zykotick9, WHY
[01:03] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: If I can connect my KFHD7 to my computer, I can upgrade to Cyanogenmod 10.1 which is Android 4.0 something
[01:03] <zykotick9> yeyeman: i'm not going to waste my time answering that.  best of luck.
[01:03] <badger> yeyeman you shouldnt always be root
[01:03] <badger> sudo
[01:04] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: The KFHD7 was released last year
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, I would go 4.2 or 4.3 if you can
[01:04] <kostkon> !root | yeyeman
[01:04] <zykotick9> badger: s/always/never/
[01:04] <grahamsavage__> spung: ctrl-alt-right switches desktop spaces for me
[01:04] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: That's would require Cyanogenmod 10.2 which is still in alpha
[01:04] <badger> why would you want that?
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, I belive 10.1 is 4.2 I have Nexus 7 and run those rooted
[01:04] <allstarsnorks2> hi again
[01:04] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: But right now, I just want to get the damn thing to CONNECT to my computer so I can perform the upgrade
[01:05] <zykotick9> badger: sorry, read that as "you should always be root" my bad.
[01:05] <tapFizzle> Hello, having probably a pretty common issue with network config, running ubuntu 12.04.2, terminal only… when i start and stop the networking service, eth0 doesn't change status… it will only change if I run ip link dev set eth0 down|up
[01:05] <badger> zykotick9, TRUE DAT
[01:05] <badger> its what its there for
[01:05] <badger> wilee-nilee,
[01:05] <MrHacks> Fricking MTP
[01:05] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, You have a windows OS handy?
[01:05] <allstarsnorks2> ubuntu randomly disconnects me from the Internet. dk y
[01:06] <yeyeman> can someone give me a reason why I should not be able to do whatever I want in ubuntu without typing in the password all the time?
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, You can side load android as well.
[01:06] <yeyeman> I mean I'm already able to do it, the password is just a formality
[01:06] <badger> anyone got any time to spare helping me sort out a driver issue?
[01:06] <badger> its the bcom 4311 thing im sure its pretty common ive dont it before but done a fresh install and having issues
[01:06] <MrHacks> The only computer that has Windows in my house has Vista, which I tried connecting it on that and much like XP, microsoft has no support for Vista any more
[01:06] <yottabit> i need to try the latest drm-intel-nightly
[01:06] <pngl> Ari-Yang: 1 out of 2 ! Menu items are not cut off anymore, but the glitches are still there :)
[01:06] <MrHacks> Windows Media Player 11 is not supported on Vista apparently
[01:06] <BuntuFuntu> MrHacks: I thought Vista was on extended support?
[01:06] <yottabit> it has a fix for the latest macbook pros display
[01:06] <yottabit> tips on getting it?
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> yeyeman, Thats the way it is for safety you need permission for admin is all.
[01:07] <Anden> can i uninstall a package without removing the files? so that it just disappears from apt-get but leaves the files it installed on my drive
[01:07] <yottabit> i'm currently typing in a borked mac display :|
[01:07] <xangua> MrHacks: maybe this helps http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/upgrade-to-gvfs-with-mtp-support-in.html
[01:07] <badger> BuntuFuntu, thanks any pointers for me?
[01:07] <xangua> MrHacks: what ubuntu version are you running¿
[01:07] <badger> zykotick9, ??
[01:07] <MrHacks> xangua: gvfs doesn't work on all MTP devices
[01:07] <Ari-Yang> pngl: ah that's good
[01:08] <MrHacks> xangua: 13.10
[01:08] <MrHacks> I had this problem on 13.04 as well, xangua
[01:08] <yottabit> i need the current one of these: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/
[01:08] <yottabit> how would you add that ppa?
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> yeyeman, There are other distro's that run in admin and or are more setup to run with it set at on, maybe that would be more your style.
[01:08] <badger> looks like you people also use android with reference to cyanogenmod above?
[01:08] <BuntuFuntu> Badger: For yor driver issue?
[01:08] <yottabit> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/current/
[01:08] <xangua> MrHacks: ok then the link won't work for you, last time I installed 13.04 it mounted my device with android 4.0 and up
[01:09] <xangua> last time i installes 13.10*
[01:09] <allstarsnorks2> any idea when Mozilla will release Firefox 25?
[01:09] <yeyeman> wilee-nilee, ok I will look in to it
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> xangua, he has an android 2.4 hehe, hyou might know that already. ;)
[01:09] <MrHacks> xangua: as I tried to explain several times already, the KFHD7 does not use android 4.0, it uses some crappy android 2.3 called FireOS
[01:10] <allstarsnorks2> Firefox 25 for Ubuntu that is.
[01:10] <xangua> I rea firefoxOS :P
[01:10] <xangua> !info firefox | allstarsnorks2
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, its in the repos
[01:10] <MrHacks> FireOS is NOT related to FireFoxOS
[01:10] <dedbodiez> hey hey
[01:10] <BuntuFuntu> Allstarsnorks2: I have 25 on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[01:10] <badger> BuntuFuntu, yes if you know how to get broadcom driver working there are so many guides online i forget which ones work for me and which ones dont
[01:10] <allstarsnorks2> i still have 24.0 LOL
[01:11] <BuntuFuntu> Allstarsnorks2: WHen was the last time you ran an update?
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Have you run that upgrade yet?
[01:11] <MrHacks> FireOS is Amazon's way of keeping their sheeple customers in line.
[01:11] <badger> im using 12.04 ubuntu and i know i can  get wifi working i just  cant get it to work right now
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, baaah
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[01:11] <MrHacks> FireOS is basically a rip off of Android
[01:12] <yeyeman> in some PDF files I have the letter spacing seems a bit messed up, sometimes there is a space where it should not be, anyone know if it's possible to fix it somehow?
[01:12] <allstarsnorks2> wilee-nilee: if ubuntu gets my internet working. it just decided to randomly cut my internet connection.
[01:12] <badger> fireOS? new on me is this like firefox for phones or something else
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, wireless?
[01:12] <BuntuFuntu> Badger: Hmm.. Idk. I'm not a driver kind of person. I've only been using linux for like 8-10 months :P
[01:12] <allstarsnorks2> wilee-nilee: yes, wireless
[01:12] <pngl> For anyone interested, here is what the glitches look like (left side of the screen) http://imgur.com/D1AbCsR
[01:13] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, sounds like it is having the problem, just a guess.
[01:13] <badger> yeah ive been using it a while kinda new myself and from what i understand broadcom wireless is a PITA.
[01:13] <Ari-Yang> yottabit: I'm not sure how you would add that ppa... I just download the .deb files I need myself
[01:13]  * MrHacks would like admin privliges so he can bann every idiot who doesn't scroll back on the IRC queue and read the part where I said Amazon FireOS is NOT related to Mozilla FireFox
[01:14] <badger> proprietary drivers on opensources wtf, just make the driver opensource, why not they already bought the damn hardware
[01:14] <Ari-Yang> pngl: oh you're using unity3D... maybe it's unity/compiz related issue?
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> badger, Please don't swear, or use their acronyms. ;)
[01:14] <MrHacks> *FUN FACT*: pressing PAGE UP and PAGE down in IRSSI allows you to SCROLL back and read more of the messages.
[01:14] <Ari-Yang> wilee-nilee: ttfn
[01:15] <badger> u the what the or the dman?
[01:15] <pngl> Ari-Yang: am I using unity3D? sorry, I'm not well-versed in how this works. I thought I was using gdm+gnome3 and that it was either unity or gnome3
[01:15] <allstarsnorks2> got disconnected
[01:15] <grahamsavage__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/959339 :( wtf are these UI designers thinking
[01:15] <wilee-nilee> badger, It is a channel rule, just a heads up from me. ;)
[01:15] <allstarsnorks2> i'm getting pissed at Relinux
[01:15] <badger> ok cool but which bit classed as a swear?
[01:15] <MrHacks> And can someone *PLEASE* nuke all these bots that are constantly flooding the queue with their joins and parts?
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> badger, any words or acronyms.
[01:16] <badger> ahh ok
[01:16] <Ari-Yang> pngl: that looks like unity3d for me... if you mean desk top environment/flavor GNOME, you can change over to it by logging out, and in the login box there should be an ubuntu icon or something, click it and from there you can select what to use
[01:16] <allstarsnorks2> !info VirtualBox
[01:16] <badger> what the friday...
[01:16] <kostkon> Ari-Yang, its gnome shell....
[01:16] <MrHacks> shut the frontdoor!
[01:16] <pngl> Ari-Yang: yes, that's what I'm using. It's the unity background, maybe that's throwing you off?
[01:16] <Ari-Yang> kostkon: oh...
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> badger, I'm with you though in real life I am known to do that. ;)
[01:16] <lazers> MrHacks: 1700 users in a single room. Overcrowded. Your client can turn off joins/parts/quits.
[01:17] <Ari-Yang> pngl: haha yeah
[01:17] <Ari-Yang> xD;
[01:17] <unicornjedi> heyy, is it possible for me to use my machine name (ie. unicornjedi-MS-7683) as my website name?
[01:17] <pngl> Ari-Yang: anyway thanks a lot for your help :)
[01:17] <MrHacks> lazers: yeah, I could ignore them, but then I wouldn't know if the people who aren't bots are still in the room
[01:17] <badger> unicornjedi, yeah if you buy a url
[01:17] <Ari-Yang> pngl: you're welcome... mind opening up a terminal and run glxinfo | grep Open and pastebin the output?
[01:18] <badger> unicornjedi, godaddy.com will sell you one
[01:18] <badger> but why would u want that?
[01:18] <MrHacks> badger Dreamhost FTW
[01:18] <lazers> MrHacks: And it's not bots. The world is huge. People pop in and out all times. Some clients are smarter than others. Use tab completion too. ;-)
[01:18]  * reisio prefers realityhost
[01:19] <unicornjedi> okay dokey
[01:19] <MrHacks> badger Dreamhost > goDeletey
[01:19] <badger> MrHacks, maybe so never had a domain never needed one
[01:19] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, Just add the password and your in for a whole lotta fun.
[01:19] <allstarsnorks2> why do i keep getting disconnected ugh
[01:19] <badger> i accept your wisdom
[01:19] <pngl> Ari-Yang: no problem, pastebin.com/w0qR8P3v
[01:19] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee, what kind of fun? :/
[01:20] <Ari-Yang> pngl: nice, notice the version on opengl core profile, 3.3~
[01:20] <pngl> Ari-Yang: (also, could it help to enable saucy-proposed in the software updates?)
[01:20] <pngl> Ari-Yang: ah so that's good
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, run lspci in the terminal and tell us the wifi hardware. I this your wifi connection and is the signal strong?
[01:20] <allstarsnorks2> !info LibreOffice
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, guess
[01:20] <Ari-Yang> pngl: what do you mean by 'saucy-proposed'? what is that?
[01:21] <badger> MrHacks, can't the cia just host everything since they spy on it anyway?
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> heh my 13.10 has libreoffice
[01:21] <pngl> Ari-Yang: in the Software&Updates settings, I can check Install updates from : "Pre-released updates (saucy-proposed)"
[01:21] <Ari-Yang> pngl: I don't think that would help with graphical glitches...
[01:21] <pngl> Ari-Yang: alright :)
[01:22] <pngl> Ari-Yang: Thanks again for helping me out... I got no response on #gnome
[01:22] <allstarsnorks2> 10 minutes and stuck on SquashFS.
[01:23] <badger> allstarsnorks2, what u trying to do?
[01:23] <MrHacks> badger: They could, but then they would outsource the service to some Canadian company where they only hire Southern/Southeastern Asian people whoul only speak French because Quebec sucks.
[01:23] <ki4ro> To anyone who may have answered my question about making gmail my default, I had a computer issue and had to reboot
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, In?
[01:24] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, 13.04
[01:24] <MrHacks> badger: It worked so well for Healthcare.gov and I'm a registered Democrat who works at a computer everyday
[01:24] <badger> MrHacks,  true, and then blame korea/china/iran for insecurities
[01:24] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, Did some of my own research and got it working
[01:25] <badger> ki4ro, fwiw gmail as default use PGP
[01:25] <ki4ro> PGP?
[01:25] <MrHacks> badger: I'm surprised it hasn't been infected with the Stuxnext virus yet like the International Space Station recently has for some reason. But I direse this conversation as it is not a poltical channel.
[01:25] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Not sure I understand, evolution is a mail caller, gmail is an email account.
[01:25] <MrHacks> s/direse/digress/
[01:26] <badger> ki4ro, pretty good privacy, google is your friend with this one my friend
[01:26] <BrianH> Hey guys, anyone using unity-tweak-tool?  I'm having a problem setting the top panel transparency because there's no toggle switch to enable it, but in screenshots there shows that one is supposed to be there.
[01:26] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, got it workin cool.
[01:26] <MrHacks> How good is Pretty Good Privacy? Pretty Good or Pretty Good?
[01:26] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, When I click provide feedback on a web page, for example, I want gmail to be pulled up not evolution
[01:26] <reisio> MrHacks: good enough
[01:27] <MrHacks> lol
[01:27] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Ah, you have it fixed though right?
[01:28] <badger> MrHacks, stuxnet wasnt a cia plot to prevent irans nuclear program? or also to take control or international space station, which seems a contradiction in terms international space station, its in space not a nation
[01:28] <BrianH> Screenshot for reference: http://imgur.com/z1bZLVV.jpg
[01:28] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, Yes... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130203
[01:28] <MrHacks> badger: American plot.   Any normal jewish person would be like "Meh."
[01:29] <badger> MrHacks,  im sure they colluded their interests are aligned
[01:29] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, The one thing they forgot to mention is that you have to go into system info and select gnome gmail as your default mail app
[01:30] <FiremanEd> badger, Mr. Hacks: Please take your off-topic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic  :)
[01:30] <badger> firemanEd, oops sorry
[01:30] <MrHacks> Good point, FiremanEd
[01:30] <MrHacks> I'd just like to get this stinking MTP software to work!
[01:31] <badger> prolly was written in gmacs tho
[01:31] <badger> emacs
[01:31] <badger> mtp?
[01:33] <BrianH> Adjusting the transparency levels doesn't seem to affect anything either.
[01:35] <badger> just got fired...
[01:36] <yottabit> you shouldn't have to apply the patch here, right?
[01:36] <yottabit> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/current/
[01:36] <reisio> badger: all uphill from here
[01:37] <badger> reisio, what u mean?
[01:37] <yottabit> the patch should already be in the .deb files?
[01:38] <BrianH> Nevermind, fixed.
[01:38] <dreamx87> hmm for all the people here today it sure is quiet :3
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Who forgot to mention? That is a personal choice, I use thunderbird it opens when ever I click as you suggested that is fine for me, it's my choice.
[01:40] <badger> wilee-nilee, +1 for thunderbird
[01:40] <sprung> dreamx87, most of the people awake right now are in the western hemisphere, and most of linux users in the western hemisphere are in the united states. The west coast is currently driving home from work, and the east coast on a monday night has better things to do than be in this channel right now. I'd wait for later
[01:41] <badger> sprung, hemispheres depend on your map dont they?
[01:41] <VLanX> anyone experiencing graphic artifacts on 12.10 ?
[01:41] <badger> vlanx like what?
[01:42] <sprung> VLanX, ati? nvidia?
[01:43] <badger> sprung; you just cant get good help these days
[01:44] <badger> i wish there was a call centre i could call to get support, you know like microsoft and that
[01:44] <VLanX> badger, sprung: HD4000, integrated GPU in sandy bridge
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> linux is a help yourself environment, always has been. You can pay canonical for help though.
[01:45] <VLanX> but probably just RAM issue. My system last day got frozen, and i couldnt even hard reset via hardware button
[01:45] <badger> VLanX, pics? or id didnt happen
[01:45] <VLanX> badger: just a sec
[01:46] <badger> wilee-nilee, sarcasm oops
[01:46] <daftykins> VLanX: have you run memtest?
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> badger, ah
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> you get what you pay for with open source
[01:47] <badger> you dont get what you pay for with proprietary
[01:47] <badger> but you still pay
[01:48] <badger> im still annoyed that sony took linux support off ps3
[01:48] <VLanX> daftykins: not yet. which version u suggest me with sandy bridge cpu?
[01:49] <badger> wilee-nilee, who do you trust with your software someone that wont tell you why it works, or someone one that does and just makes it work. seems kinda simple to me
[01:50] <daftykins> VLanX: any if you have an ubuntu CD/DVD/USB around you can run memtest from that
[01:50] <badger> can usually run mtest from grub
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> badger, sure, if cognitive you process with dichotomies. ;)
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> your*
[01:51] <badger> wilee-nilee, lost me? dichotomies? splits?
[01:52] <VLanX> daftykins: i can also download last 4.20 of memtest and get it into USB drive w/ unetbootin i guess
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> badger, and or the other, good or bad. every situation has variables and many choices.
[01:53] <badger> wilee-nilee, yeah true. greyscale not B&W
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[01:53] <Duel-Travis> Hey
[01:54] <daftykins> VLanX: as long as it's memtest86+ yep
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, howdee partner.
[01:55] <badger> wilee-nilee, every living being knows right from wrong
[01:55] <Duel-Travis> wilee-nilee, Hawdee
[01:55] <Nuclear_muffin> My friend when using the software center to open a deb for dolphin gets this:  "dependency is not satisfiable: libavcodec53 (>=6:0.8.3-1~) | libavcodec-extra-53 (>=6:0.8.9)
[01:55] <Duel-Travis> bad sources im guessing.,
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> badger, Within in their own reality to some extent yes, affected by cultural, ethnic, and social norms, however your right may be a wrong to another its a big complex world.
[01:56] <badger> i had some bad sauces once... made me sick
[01:57] <Nuclear_muffin> Never mind he added a repo and installed it in the terminal, its all good, thanks.
[01:57] <badger> wilee-nilee,  were gonna get kicked for going off topic but yeah i agree
[01:57] <Duel-Travis> whats the channel for of tpoc?>
[01:58] <peyam> Salam its me uncle Peyam
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, offtopic?
[01:58] <Duel-Travis> yes
[01:58] <Duel-Travis> when I try an join one nothing happends
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:59] <badger> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:59] <wilee-nilee> home of the erudite discourse, heh NOT
[01:59] <badger> intercourse?
[02:00] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, did you check my  blog
[02:01] <badger> sleep or gt5? im f'd
[02:01] <bvms> is there any way i can use rpms?
[02:02] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, er no, not a clue what your talking about, I suspect it is a gpt bits issue though.
[02:02] <Peyam> yes
[02:02] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, link
[02:02] <badger> yeah mmmhmm
[02:02] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, http://kurdan.se
[02:04] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, Cool, I would include more on it being a gpt thing is all. We used to see this on occasion when I was a UF member and helping dualbooters.
[02:05] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, I would give a rods link as well.
[02:05] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, actually my  blog is my notes for later use. if my computer brokes.
[02:05] <xangua> bvms: or you could just tell us what do you want to install
[02:05] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, Yes. I noticed that the link there goes to my pastebin.
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, Cool it's on nthe web though, you never know who might come across it you want people to as Andy Rooney said " the rest of the story"
[02:06] <alumno__> hola
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:06] <FloodBot1> alumno__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:07] <bvms> i want to install a firewall
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, That guy rod is a pretty smart cookie he has a PH.D in psychology and published research in that area.
[02:07] <wafflejockTablet> !firewall | bvms
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> besides being a unix and linux expert and published there
[02:08] <duoi> wilee-nilee, a PhD in Psychology is like being a professional house of card maker.
[02:08] <Guest46579> I'm trying to fsck an NTFS partition with GParted's GUI. gpartedbin has been running for over 22 hours now at 100% CPU usage for presumably the whole time. Am I hosed?
[02:08] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, I see. I updated the topic there
[02:08] <wilee-nilee> duoi, Heh, that is your opinion, but a lot of work to get, and not all answers to life agreed.
[02:09] <bvms> norton firewall is windows only right?
[02:09] <coolot> #ffmpeg
[02:09] <wafflejockTablet> bvms: yes believe so clamav is a virus scanner option if u want that
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> duoi, Any real Doctorate is a academic pursuit.
[02:10] <bazhang> !ot
[02:11] <bvms> thought linux does not have viruses?
[02:11] <bvms> thats why i installed it
[02:11] <wafflejockTablet> bvms: can find windows viruses all systems can have programs that do malicious thingas
[02:12] <wafflejockTablet> People tend to get less problems on linux since we don't run as root and many distros with low desktop user base makes it not a popular target
[02:13] <reisio> lots of reasons, mmm
[02:14] <reisio> but definitely a reality
[02:14] <wafflejockTablet> If u arbitrarily install stuff from the internet with no regard for the source then your likely to get something malicious eventually
[02:15] <DuelBoot> is it easy to use windows programs on here?
[02:16] <wafflejockTablet> Virtual box or wine
[02:16] <duoi> DuelBoot, install Wine. Most programs should work.
[02:16] <xangua> is easier to use them in windows DuelBoot
[02:16] <genii> !appdb
[02:17] <DuelBoot> okay guys, GOing to boot onto windows and try and fix my sd card
[02:23] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm not getting sound with HDMI output. I get picture, but no sound. Any suggestions?
[02:24] <reisio> CountryfiedLinux: make sure hdmi cable does sound, not all do
[02:24] <reisio> make sure it's plugged in properly
[02:24] <reisio> make sure alsamixer options are exhausted (tab, up/dn arrow)
[02:27] <CountryfiedLinux> reisio, It has picture, so it must be plugged in properly. Maybe a hardware issue? My other laptop used to work fine with HDMI sound output months ago.
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> CountryfiedLinux, I had to use a hdmi device, my computer does not have that port, and a mini server to get it to work completely.
[02:28] <MrHacks> Sooooooo, what'd I miss. Anything important I need to read that requires me to hit the PAGE UP  button a few dozen times?
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> CountryfiedLinux, Can't you just access netflix through the TV?
[02:28] <tomivs> Hi. Someone can help me?
[02:29] <tomivs> I need to make ssh tunnel from server to my home-localhost
[02:29] <CountryfiedLinux> wilee-nilee, no
[02:29] <bvms> i need help too.. i got the firewall installed but it keeps asking for a password
[02:30] <tomivs> ssh -N -D <IP_ADDRESS>:9090 user@server -p 921 >> this work on my home-localhost
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> bvms, have you tried your user password?
[02:32] <judgepg> what firewall
[02:32] <tomivs> Bye, thx for all
[02:32] <bvms> oh
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> bvms, That's doh. ;)
[02:33] <bvms> that worked lol
[02:33] <judgepg> why choose debian over ubuntu?
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> judgepg, ask here #debian
[02:34] <zykotick9> judgepg: if you value "stability" over version numbers...
[02:34] <bvms> i updated when i installed the firewall. now i get debian conflicts
[02:34] <judgepg> thanks
[02:34] <reisio> judgepg: I like to ask that question the other way 'round
[02:34] <bvms> something  about gedit dependency
[02:35] <zykotick9> reisio: if you value "version numbers" over stability ;)
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> bvms, what does lsb_release -a show?
[02:35] <judgepg> wouldnt one prefer to update the distro less often?
[02:35] <reisio> zykotick9: mind -> blown :p
[02:36] <reisio> judgepg: nobody forces you to update any distro
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> judgepg, That is a personal choice, eh.
[02:36] <zykotick9> reisio: ;)
[02:36] <reisio> this is unheard of, and impossible to enforce
[02:36] <reisio> which is why it's unheard of
[02:36] <reisio> even Microsoft can only incentivize updating
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> la la la I can't hear you
[02:36] <reisio> by releasing newer versions of software that's incompatible with older versions, on purpose
[02:37] <judgepg> what about support?  how long for each ubuntu release
[02:37] <user23948u> can't run firefox, please help: (process:31176): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> judgepg, on the web, this is support, do you have an actual support issue?
[02:38] <reisio> judgepg: I think the LTS are at... 5 years?
[02:38] <reisio> it doesn't really matter
[02:38] <reisio> if you're waiting five years to update, you're doing it wrong
[02:38] <reisio> and as previously stated
[02:38] <reisio> you can wait as long as you want to update
[02:38] <reisio> on any distro
[02:38] <reisio> on any version
[02:38] <FloodBot1> reisio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:38] <reisio> it's entirely your own silly choice :)
[02:38] <judgepg> I dont have a specific aupport issue.  Trying to decide on ubuntu vs debian
[02:38] <duoi> I waited 3 years to update my iPhone from 5.x to 7.x. Worst mistake ever.
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> heh spanked by the bot
[02:39] <phillyj> can I ssh into another PC which is on the same router?
[02:39] <reisio> judgepg: Ubuntu is mostly Debian
[02:39] <duoi> (I should have never done it lol)
[02:39] <reisio> like >80%
[02:39] <reisio> phillyj: usually, yup
[02:40] <reisio> duoi: if it makes you feel better, Android isn't much better :p
[02:40] <reisio> not that it isn't still going to crush iOS
[02:40] <phillyj> reisio: i'm trying but i get connection refused
[02:40] <reisio> phillyj: sure the IP is right?
[02:40] <phillyj> reisio: i guess so, i pinged it and that works
[02:42] <phillyj> reisio: is it supposed to ssh thru port 22?
[02:42] <reisio> yeah 22 is default
[02:42] <abaddon> judgepg: Both are good. But ubuntu is just easyer imho. Though if you're paranoid about your info in Canonicals hands go for Debian
[02:43] <phillyj> reisio: i read something about needing keys; can that be the problem?
[02:43] <reisio> phillyj: I s'pose it's possible
[02:43] <esde> only if it matters to you
[02:44] <reisio> 'fraid I'm not familiar with any eccentricities of Ubuntu vis-a-vis ssh
[02:45] <texla> Ubuntu-12.04.3..I have 2 hard drives wdc-250gb and seagate-80 gb..I have a chatting at time..ran smartmontools and both passed...How can I find out which drive is the culprit
[02:45] <reisio> texla: you hear a "chatting" sound?
[02:45] <abaddon> judgepg: But if you're concerned about your info in Canonicals hands just build your distro from the ground up using Ubuntu-builder.
[02:46] <texla> reisio, Yes intermittantly
[02:46] <abaddon> judgepg: Thataway you know exactly what is in your sys more or less
[02:46] <reisio> texla: unplug a drive, observe sounds
[02:46] <reisio> repeat as necessary
[02:47] <texla> reisio, Okay thanks
[02:48] <xxlen> http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/spotflux-for-ubuntu
[02:48] <zykotick9> judgepg: try both, decide for yourself!  fyi, non lts ubuntu releases are supported for 9 months (i believe)
[02:48] <xxlen> a petition to get spotflux to develop a sick vpn client for Ubunut
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> !spam | xxlen
[02:49] <xxlen> wilee-nilee
[02:49] <xxlen> no
[02:49] <wilee-nilee> xxlen, thats spam here
[02:49] <genii> xxlen: This is tech support channel.
[02:49] <xxlen> how do I get ubuntu community  to see that?
[02:50] <genii> xxlen: Post it on the forums
[02:50] <xxlen> genii, cool
[02:52] <wilee-nilee> spotflux does not even have a linux version
[02:52] <duoi> wilee-nilee, i think the intention is to make a version for linux (or, at least, debian/ubuntu)
[02:53] <naz> is there a play on linux/wine channel?
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> duoi, It would help if they were even willing. https://spotflux.zendesk.com/entries/22963596-Can-you-support-Linux-
[02:54] <bazhang> #winehq naz
[02:54] <duoi> wilee-nilee, it seems like they are, for specific distros. It explains why the request was tailored towards Ubuntu.
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> duoi, what is said on a support site and what is done are hardly correlations, I wont hold my breath, lol.
[02:56] <duoi> here is a question: how far away is Ubuntu from Debian? that is, would packages that are developed Ubuntu work for Debian out-of-the-box?
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> oh boy more polls
[02:57] <zykotick9> duoi: no.
[02:58] <duoi> zykotick9, how about the other way (Deb -> Ubuntu)?
[02:58] <zykotick9> duoi: no.
[02:58] <zykotick9> duoi: ubuntu is "based on" debian, but they are VERY different.
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> the OS's are hardly different the rhetoric is
[03:01] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: that's NOT true...
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> just my opinion, quite subjective.
[03:02] <xangua> there is certain commintment if you are refering about that...software center is incluided in debian repositories http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/software-center duoi
[03:02] <abaddon> zykotick9: I'm interested in hearing why not? I've seen deb pkgs work fine in ubu and vise versa.
[03:03] <reisio> vice :)
[03:03] <reisio> pronounced 'weekay'
[03:03] <reisio> weekay worseuh
[03:03] <abaddon> resure: grammer natzi XD
[03:03] <reisio> grammarrrrrr
[03:03] <reisio> like a pyrate
[03:03] <abaddon> resure: SPEKLLING* natzi XD
[03:04] <abaddon> reisio: .... T.T
[03:04] <zykotick9> abaddon: ya, that's true.  sometime they can work, but usually not so much.  ubuntu is based off debian sid/testing - packages for sid/testing will typically NOT work in debian's real release = stable.  so packages for ubuntu are expected VERY different versions from debian stable...
[03:04] <reisio> Debian stable isn't something you'd want if your friends are going to be constantly saying "hey look at this stupid Flash thing or hey let's talk on skyp"
[03:05] <reisio> which is how it is for most people
[03:05] <abaddon> zykotick9: Thank you for the explanation. I wondered why they sometimes worked fine
[03:05] <reisio> hence testing
[03:05] <zykotick9> abaddon: "sometime" it'll work fine, but that is NOT the rule!
[03:05] <abaddon> zykotick9: True XD
[03:06] <abaddon> reisio: bwahahahahahahahaha Very true
[03:07] <researcher123> is it possible to install file with extension tar.xz
[03:07]  * wilee-nilee proclaims linux is linux, and runs to hide
[03:07] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: s/linux/gnu-linux/ :p
[03:07] <reisio> researcher123: yeah, but not necessarily sensible
[03:07] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: It's ok budd, I'm in the same boat
[03:07] <xangua> zykotick9: s/linux/"gnu/linux"
[03:07] <CADBOT> Hi all somewhere I saw a guide for installing windows on top of ubuntu (I know in advance that's not the preferred way), any point in the right direction?
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> gnu-linux is rhetoric though
[03:08] <CADBOT> I know I have to do something to fix the bootloader after I do it
[03:08] <researcher123> reisio: where can I get these details?
[03:08] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: do you think android is teh same as ubuntu?
[03:08] <CADBOT> And I think I might have to make some partitions
[03:08] <abaddon> zykotick9: same base, though the pkgs need some work
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Android is part linux?, not sure to be honest, I use it biut have not torn it apart
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> but*
[03:09] <reisio> researcher123: what's it for?
[03:09] <zykotick9> abaddon: android is linux but NOT gnu/linux... don't expect apps from one to run on the other.
[03:09] <linuxlite1983> hi
[03:09] <reisio> most people are familiar with gnu/linux and consider "linux" to be gnu/linux
[03:09] <reisio> it's a HUGE difference
[03:09] <reisio> GNU is by far the more relevant part of the OS
[03:09] <zykotick9> reisio: +1
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> it's difference is a rhetoric though, a belief
[03:09] <linuxlite1983> im using linux for almost half a year
[03:10] <reisio> zykotick9++
[03:10] <reisio> wilee-nilee: what? :p
[03:10] <reisio> it used to be rhetoric
[03:10] <abaddon> zykotick9: Which is why I said it'd need work. Though, you can run a light version of linux using an emu.... Mind, that's a diff matter
[03:10] <reisio> but since Android is a Linux distro and not a GNU/Linux distro
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> reisio, there is open and closed source linux.
[03:10] <linuxlite1983> and when i turn my computer it takes 3-4 mins is it normal
[03:10] <reisio> and since Android is quite prevalent now
[03:10] <reisio> it actually matters more than ever
[03:11] <zykotick9> reisio: :) +1 (again!)
[03:11] <researcher123> reisio: its for project planning planner-0.14.6.tar.xz
[03:11] <linuxlite1983> it takes 3-4 before my linuxlite loads
[03:11] <abaddon> reisio: Gnu is not the more relevent part. You need BOTH to work.
[03:11] <linuxlite1983> back when i installed it 6 mons ago. it only takes 10-20 seconds
[03:11] <xangua> !ot
[03:11] <reisio> researcher123: that's probably in the Ubuntu repos
[03:11] <reisio> researcher123: check
[03:12] <linuxlite1983> anyone?
[03:12] <reisio> abaddon: not really, GNU has its own kernel
[03:12] <researcher123> reisio: I want to install it on web server
[03:12] <wafflejockTablet> CADBOT: !grub
[03:12] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, you might wanna check to see how big your logs are
[03:12] <reisio> abaddon: Linux needed GNU a lot more
[03:12] <reisio> researcher123: an Ubuntu web server?
[03:12] <wafflejockTablet> !grub | CADBOT
[03:12] <linuxlite1983> how?can u tell me how?
[03:12] <researcher123> reisio: yes
[03:12] <reisio> researcher123: sudo apt-get install planner
[03:12] <linuxlite1983> wheatthin?
[03:13] <Foxhoundz> Where does Ubuntu store php.ini
[03:13] <reisio> researcher123: or do you mean you're trying to avoid GUI stuff?
[03:13] <researcher123> reisio: ok.thanks
[03:13] <reisio> Foxhoundz: dpkg -L php | grep -i ini, or ask apt-file
[03:13] <abaddon> reisio: Which was more or less a failure which is why Linux is used. No one wants just a kernal and just haveing the progs without the kernal is pointless. So nether is more relevent.
[03:13] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, by opening a terminal, and going into /var/log and typing ls -l
[03:13] <duoi> All hail Richard Stallman, down with Linus
[03:13] <reisio> abaddon: nah, it just didn't exist when Linux did
[03:13] <reisio> yes, GNU is about 80 bajillion times more software than Linux
[03:14] <abaddon> reisio: They had like...70% done by the time Linux came in the pic
[03:14] <Foxhoundz> reisio: root@stage:~# dpkg -L php
[03:14] <Foxhoundz> Package `php' is not installed.
[03:14] <reisio> GNU is the reason your OS is pretty great, and Android constantly explodes
[03:14] <Duel-Travis> what is the command in the chat to login?
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> hmm, my android had never exploded
[03:14] <reisio> Duel-Travis: /msg nickserv help identify
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> has*
[03:15] <reisio> Foxhoundz: might have a number in its name, dpkg -l | grep -i php
[03:15] <reisio> wilee-nilee: then how do you explain Venus?!
[03:15] <duoi> it should be called "GNU!!!!! (plus linux..)"
[03:15] <wafflejockTablet> Foxhoundz: usually /etc/php5/
[03:15] <reisio> eh, I call it Unix until it matters
[03:15] <xangua> !ot
[03:15] <reisio> which is almost never
[03:15] <Foxhoundz> found it thanks
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Never used it, not sure the reference.
[03:15] <reisio> wilee-nilee: it's a planet
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> hehe never been there with a chemical boost
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> without*
[03:16] <zykotick9> duoi: while "I" might agree with you, i don't think #ubuntu is the right forum to bring up these points (mainly falls on deaf ears).  :)
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> this is what i got alternatives.log
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> apt
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> auth.log
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> boot
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> boot.log
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> bootstrap.log
[03:16] <FloodBot1> linuxlite1983: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:17] <abaddon> reisio: GNU IS great, but it's not the most relevent. I prefer to think them both relevent as neher would be useful without the other
[03:17] <yeyeman> how do I make my own command that I can run from anywhere? Like ls or python or whatever?
[03:17] <wafflejockTablet> linuxlite1983: cat boot.log | less
[03:17] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, forgive me, but I'm not accepting any files from irc :)
[03:17] <reisio> abaddon: they're both relevant, but they're not both 50.00000% relevant, one is more relevant :p and now I will let xangua have his way
[03:18] <reisio> yeyeman: echo $PATH
[03:18] <reisio> yeyeman: you can put a script into any of those directories, or modify PATH, or give your shell a function ('help function')
[03:18] <reisio> or eben an alias ('help alias')
[03:19] <yeyeman> reisio, interesting
[03:19] <abaddon> reisio: Meh, just my preference.
[03:19] <wafflejockTablet> yeyeman > !path
[03:19] <zykotick9> reisio: ~/bin should be suggested for most personal scripts...
[03:19] <reisio> ~/bin/ works
[03:19] <abaddon> reisio: Btw xangua?? What have his way?
[03:20] <wafflejockTablet> !path | yeyeman
[03:20] <reisio> abaddon: exactly
[03:20] <linuxlite1983> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6440812/
[03:20] <yeyeman> go
[03:20] <linuxlite1983> can u check it?
[03:21] <linuxlite1983> wheatthin?
[03:21] <kaksddkf> how to change default drivers of ubuntu, i want to use  paragon ntfs drivers as default instead of ntfs-3g
[03:21] <linuxlite1983> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6440801/
[03:22] <linuxlite1983> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6440812/
[03:23] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, I don't want to see them, I want to see how large they are ;).. then we'll see then which ones we want to look at.
[03:23] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, make sense?
[03:23] <CountryfiedLinux> Which part of this is my sound card?
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> robert@robert-HP-Pavilion-g7-Notebook-PC:~$ lspci | grep "Audio" #
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity HDMI Audio Controller
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller (rev 01)
[03:24] <FloodBot1> CountryfiedLinux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> FloodBot1, 3 lines of text
[03:24] <kaksddkf> paragon NTFS are performing more than twice as compared with ntfs-3g
[03:24] <researcher123> reisio: on my server how do i get the command line to run sudo apt-get install planner? any other way?
[03:24] <wheatthin> CountryfiedLinux, Azalia Controller
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> wheatthin, Thanks.  I could understand several lines, but 3?
[03:25] <wafflejockTablet> linuxlite1983: u prob want to run dmesg and look through that as well there are also some syslog guis
[03:25] <kaksddkf> so, i want to make them as default and i don't know the way to make them default
[03:25] <zykotick9> researcher123: what's wrong with "sudo apt-get install planner"?
[03:26] <zykotick9> researcher123: "sudo aptitude install planner"?
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> reisio, For the record if you question of venus I could give you the physics explanation, however it is a hypothesis. ;)
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> of your*
[03:26] <researcher123> zykotick9: want to install it on linux web server. No CLI seen here
[03:27] <zykotick9> researcher123: a web server with a gui-only install?
[03:27] <wafflejockTablet> researcher123: u need ssh access
[03:27] <researcher123> zykotick9: seems
[03:27] <zykotick9> researcher123: good luck with that...
[03:27] <researcher123> wafflejock:ok
[03:28] <abaddon> .Hey, got a question. When can we expect to be able to use Watland on Ubuntu? I know Canonical is going with Meir rather than Wayland but it should work fine on ubu, right?
[03:28] <abaddon> *Wayland
[03:29]  * reisio prefers calmotheses
[03:29] <kaksddkf> wafflejock: will you help me regarding some driver issue?
[03:29] <zykotick9> abaddon: i wouldn't hold my breath for wayland (or mir) on ubuntu if i was you...
[03:29] <linuxlite1991> im back im linuxlite1983
[03:29] <abaddon> zykotick9: Why?
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> ah, just garbage, oh well.
[03:30] <wafflejockTablet> kaksddkf: sorry don't know much about it except basics of modprobe
[03:30] <zykotick9> abaddon: maybe, you could hold your breath for mir.  wayland... that's a big question mark.
[03:30] <wafflejockTablet> !modprobe
[03:30] <abaddon> zykotick9: ???
[03:30] <wafflejockTablet> Nope nothin
[03:30] <diamonds> hiya
[03:30] <zykotick9> abaddon: i believe mir should be in the next release of ubuntu... but maybe no?!?!
[03:30] <diamonds> http://pastie.org/8491537
[03:31] <diamonds> ^ my "done" callback isn't running ever
[03:31] <wafflejockTablet> linuxlite1991: time travel nice trick
[03:31] <kaksddkf> wafflejockTablet: thanks
[03:31] <abaddon> zykotick9: Why is that?
[03:31] <abaddon> zykotick9: I'm excited for something "new".
[03:31] <linuxlite1991> hahahahaha
[03:31] <diamonds> "doneFunction"
[03:32] <zykotick9> abaddon: based on history, mir was suppose to be in the last release - but wasn't ready.  why would ubuntu use wayland... when they are developing their own version or an xorg replacement?
[03:32] <linuxlite1991> my problem is still dsame
[03:32] <diamonds> oops wrong chan methings
[03:32] <abaddon> zykotick9: Yeah, but wayland should still work on Ubu without Canon backing it?
[03:33] <zykotick9> abaddon: wrong! it'll ONLY work in ubuntu/canonical decide to support it.
[03:33] <zykotick9> s/in/if/
[03:33] <abaddon> zykotick9: That's like saying xchat wont work unless Canon supports it?
[03:34] <zykotick9> abaddon: which is true...
[03:34] <abaddon> zykotick9: They can't stop compatability can they?
[03:34] <zykotick9> abaddon: they do all the time?!?!
[03:34] <abaddon> zykotick9: Like what?
[03:35] <zykotick9> abaddon: they don't package it = not supported.
[03:35] <abaddon> zykotick9: You're saying I can't make a base and port it to Ubu 'cause of Canon?
[03:35] <sprung> or like how the Amazon search spyware Canonical put in Ubuntu wont work unless Canon supports it?
[03:35] <zykotick9> abaddon: supported and possible are not the samething.
[03:36] <abaddon> zykotick9: Right, I get that, so my question is when will Wayland be up and running assuming they complete it?
[03:36] <sprung> https://fixubuntu.com/
[03:36] <zykotick9> abaddon: i doubt wayland will be packaged in ubuntu... but maybe.  ask mark.
[03:37] <sprung> please make sure you install unity-lens-shopping
[03:37] <sprung> so canonical can make money
[03:37] <abaddon> zykotick9: Sooo...what is it being supported on? And who is mark?
[03:37] <zykotick9> abaddon: Mark is the dictator (for life) of ubuntu.
[03:38] <abaddon> zykotick9: Doy me. XD
[03:38] <sprung> even Red Hat doesn't steal your private information and sell it to Amazon
[03:38] <sprung> shame on you Canonical
[03:39] <zykotick9> ops can someone deal with sprung?
[03:39] <sprung> www.fixbuntu.com
[03:39] <abaddon> zykotick9: But I don't get it. If I develope a program, how is Canon going to stop compatability? It's open software?
[03:39] <wafflejock> abaddon: he's saying they don't offer support for it
[03:39] <wafflejock> not that they can stop you from making it work
[03:39] <zykotick9> wafflejock: +1
[03:40] <onizu> hi
[03:40] <wafflejock> onizu: hello
[03:41] <abaddon> wafflejock: zykotick9 OHHHHH, I thought...nvm.... X.X I thought he was implying it wouldn't work 'cause of that. I just wanted to know when Wayland will be functional enough to use. I'm assuming they'll have a Ubu version ready.
[03:41] <onizu> can someone help me install my onboard graphic accelerator : nvidia geforce gt 540m ?
[03:41] <zykotick9> abaddon: again, i wouldn't hold your breath for a wayland implementation on ubuntu.
[03:42] <abaddon> zykotick9: They not making a version for Ubu?
[03:42] <abaddon> damb
[03:42] <onizu> i had trouble with nouveau and to to install using nomodeset . now after installing, i tried installing bumblebee but it didn't seem to work. my guess it several drivers were clashing with each other.
[03:42] <zykotick9> abaddon: that's up to mark.
[03:42] <wafflejock> abaddon: yeah really if they're going with a major overhaul in one direction it's not likely they will build support for another big part, it doesn't mean you can't use other distros
[03:42] <linuxlite1991> i love windows!!!!
[03:42] <linuxlite1991> hahahaha!!!
[03:43] <abaddon> zykotick9: wafflejock Ahhh...well...I kinda like Ubu...even with its major faults
[03:43] <linuxlite1991> windows is shit!!! bill gates is SHIT!!!! say ah if u agree
[03:44] <io> !language
[03:44] <abaddon> !ot linuxlite1991
[03:44] <abaddon> !OT linuxlite1991
[03:44] <abaddon> ???
[03:44] <wafflejock> abaddon: yeah I'm in between at this point... have used kubuntu for a bit but just saying if you want to try other stuff it's out there
[03:44] <zykotick9> !ot | abaddon
[03:45] <abaddon> !ot | linuxlite1991
[03:45] <abaddon> zykotick9: Thx
[03:45] <zykotick9> :)
[03:45] <linuxlite1991> fuck bill gates. kill that madafucker hahahaha! why buy crappy shit if you have linux bitch!!!
[03:46] <abaddon> wafflejock: I know, but I built ubu from ground up so was excited to hear about Wayland coming up...maybe coming up. Who knows, I might get it to work. =P Alright, I'm done with the pestering. Lets get back to helping people
[03:47] <onizu> someone help me
[03:47] <onizu> with installing my nvidia graphics
[03:47] <abaddon> onizu: Sup?
[03:47] <abaddon> mmm
[03:47] <onizu> abaddon: see my messages above
[03:48] <abaddon> onizu: XD I did , sorry
[03:48] <onizu> np
[03:48] <abaddon> onizu: Anyway, what have you tried?
[03:48] <onizu> tried installing bumblebee
[03:48] <onizu> didn't work. so i uninstalled all nvidia that came with it
[03:48] <Corvette> Hey can someone help me? Suddenly my laptop running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS says 'Wired Connection ; Disconnected' in the WiFi menu and doesn't display any WiFi
[03:49] <abaddon> onizu: Errr... is bumblebee the driver version?
[03:49] <reisio> Corvette: find the hardware wireless disable switch, and toggle it
[03:49] <abaddon> onizu: Uh huh, and you've got no gui?
[03:49] <Corvette> reisio did that
[03:49] <Corvette> reisio several times
[03:49] <abaddon> no0p: Correct?
[03:49] <onizu> abaddon: i have
[03:50] <onizu> this is what i have: http://ubuntuone.com/2v622ZnWZM8QJGe9WodPbT
[03:50] <reisio> Corvette: make sure it's turned on, then reboot
[03:50] <abaddon> onizu: Ahh, ok...so did you try through terminal to install bumblebee or through Nvidia's site?
[03:50] <onizu> abaddon: terminal
[03:51] <zykotick9> Corvette: if you dual-boot with windows, boot that other OS and see if it's enabled there.
[03:51] <abaddon> onizu: Why not try through their site and dl their deb file?
[03:51] <onizu> abaddon: i downloaded a .run file
[03:51] <onizu> but can't seem to run it really
[03:51] <lostlamb> greetings, I'm trying to install potent poinsettia (or something of that ilk) to my alienware laptop, but keep receiving an error about not having the graphics card drivers.  This wouldn't be an issue, but after telling it to run in low settings, it crashes.  Is there a work around, or something I'm missing?
[03:52] <onizu> i booted into recovery mode and did : sh NVIDIA.whatever.run
[03:52] <abaddon> onizu: Did you type sudo ./Blahh as your command?
[03:52] <zykotick9> onizu: IMO if you have a .run file - you're using the WRONG strategy!
[03:52] <onizu> it gave some error: can't wrote to /tmp , iirc
[03:52] <Corvette> reisio none of that works
[03:52] <Corvette> zykotick9 I don't dual boot
[03:52] <onizu> abaddon: i was already root
[03:52] <onizu> abaddon: i mean , the prompt was # instead of $
[03:53] <zykotick9> Corvette: best of luck (i don't have any other suggestions for you)
[03:53] <onizu> zykotick9: why is that?
[03:53] <reisio> Corvette: wireless router on?
[03:53] <abaddon> onizu: Ok, but what about trying ./blah.run as your command instead of bash blah.run
[03:53] <Corvette> reisio yes and I can normally pick up neighbors
[03:53] <onizu> abaddon: i'll have to try that - need to kill x
[03:53] <abaddon> onizu: Sounds good
[03:54] <reisio> Corvette: run an update recently?
[03:54] <zykotick9> onizu: this is debian's dpkg bot's factoid for "why nvidia installer sucks": nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted.  Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break.  If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly.
[03:54] <Corvette> reisio yes today
[03:54] <zykotick9>  nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, ad has NO CONCEPT of package management.  We recommend against using it based on extensive experience.  USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES.  Ask me abo.ut <nvidia>.
[03:54] <Corvette> reisio and it did say stuff about wireless security
[03:55] <abaddon> I've not heard of that b4 but better to listen to zykotick9 on this one onizu
[03:55] <reisio> Corvette: well, that's probably the culprit, then
[03:55] <Corvette> reisio how do I downgrade
[03:56] <reisio> ask the channel
[03:56] <zykotick9> abaddon: onizu left :|
[03:56] <Corvette> How do I undo an apt update I did today
[03:56] <abaddon> zykotick9: XD I hope my method works mat least
[03:56] <Corvette> It seems to have killed my wifi capability
[03:57] <abaddon> zykotick9: Does ati have the same prob as nvidia?
[03:57] <BuntuFuntu> Hmm, havent had to update since yesterday. Usually for me theres updates available in the morning ;o
[03:57] <zykotick9> abaddon: i avoid ATI (enemy of free software) so i wouldn't know.
[03:58] <lostlamb> pardon, I don't mean to intrude again, but I'm still not certain how to get past the low graphics option when installing ubuntu on my alienware laptop.  After it doesn't find the graphics drivers,it sort of just hangs after attempting to go to low graphics until it's powere.
[03:58] <abaddon> zykotick9: I ask because I'm using ATI's drivers rather than the open ones. Really? ATI??? T.T And I like them so much....
[03:59] <zykotick9> abaddon: fyi, with amd/ati, you can't use "free" 3d drivers = fail IMO
[04:00] <abaddon> zykotick9: Hince why I'm useing the propriatary ones. XD
[04:00] <zykotick9> abaddon: nvidia has supported both gnu/linux and BSD for YEARS.  amd/ati was LATE in that game (i'm talking about non-free here).
[04:01] <zykotick9> abaddon: fyi, my first 3d support under gnu/linux WAS on an ATI card... that was a long time ago.
[04:01] <onizu> abaddon: it didn't work
[04:01] <abaddon> zykotick9: But 'ol Linus is famous for saying "Fuck you Nvidia"?? I kinda got the impression they were not the most helpful
[04:01] <Duel-Travis> can I  set like auto join channels?
[04:01] <zykotick9> !doesntwork | onizu
[04:02] <zykotick9> abaddon: ya, and Linux is NOT a friend to free software!
[04:02] <onizu> zykotick9: i had been in conversation with abaddon a moment ago. he knows what i'm talking about
[04:02] <abaddon> onizu: What happened? And, zykotick9 , can you repeat what you said up top please
[04:02] <zykotick9> abaddon: sorry typo s/linux/linus/
[04:02] <wafflejockTablet> Duel-Travis: depends on the irc client
[04:02] <Duel-Travis> x chat
[04:02] <onizu> abaddon: i took a pic, hold on
[04:02] <Duel-Travis> wafflejockTablet, Yea x-chat
[04:03] <wafflejockTablet> I use quassel in KDE so not sure
[04:03] <wafflejockTablet> It does automatically
[04:03] <zykotick9> onizu: abaddon ? best of luck to both of you!
[04:03] <Duel-Travis> is there a x-chat irc client?
[04:04] <zykotick9> Duel-Travis: xchat
[04:04] <abaddon> zykotick9: Don't leave me, I need you
[04:04] <zykotick9> abaddon: ;) not going anywhere
[04:04] <abaddon> onizu: Alright, tell me when it's up
[04:05] <abaddon> zykotick9: Oh, thought you were going. nvm
[04:05] <lostlamb> :\
[04:05] <zykotick9> lostlamb: what's "lspci -v | grep -i vga"?
[04:06] <abaddon> onizu: May I ask you why you don't wish to use then open drivers?
[04:06] <VLanX> badger, sprung: it was indeed bad RAM
[04:06] <VLanX> 37K errors at 25% so far
[04:06] <lostlamb> I don't recall it posting anything like that during the installation process.  it seems to get hung up on after checking the power status or something like that.
[04:07] <onizu> abaddon: my phone's not uploading :/
[04:07] <onizu> i gotta go to work, ttyl
[04:07] <onizu> sorry
[04:07] <lostlamb> stays like that until you hit the power button then it releases packages and shuts down.
[04:08] <wafflejock> Duel-Travis: http://quassel-irc.org/ <== that one saves your server connections and channels on close and rejoins
[04:08] <lostlamb> would having two monitors interfere with the installation process?
[04:08] <abaddon> I get saved by the bell...woohoo.
[04:08] <wafflejock> lostlamb: could
[04:08] <wafflejock> lostlamb: I've only had problems with 3 monitors hooked up get some CRTC error or something...
[04:08] <sandman13> is there a way to access .mozilla
[04:09] <wafflejock> sandman13: if it's in your home folder you can use Ctrl+H in nautilus to show hidden files
[04:09] <zykotick9> sandman13: try "cd ~/.mozilla"
[04:09] <wafflejock> or ls -al at the command line
[04:09] <wafflejock> or Ctrl+. in dolphin
[04:09] <wafflejock> er alt rather dang
[04:09] <lostlamb> hmm, well it's only one outside of the laptop screen, so I wouldn't think it'd effect anything.
[04:10] <sandman13> wafflejock: ctrl+h show hidden files or...
[04:10] <lostlamb> if both are up and running though, the code stops on the laptop, and the mouse freezes on the monitor.
[04:10] <wafflejock> sandman13: ls -al
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: at the command line to list all files including hidden and long format including permissinos
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: so if you do, cd ~
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: ls-al
[04:11] <azio_m> 41,168,737,955 bytes on ubuntu… 41,218,778,228 bytes on mac after copying. does that mean the copy wasn't 100% precise?
[04:11] <wafflejock> ls -al
[04:11] <sandman13> wafflejock: done thanks
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: k
[04:12] <wafflejock> azio_m: not necessarily
[04:12] <wafflejock> azio_m: check with md5sum
[04:12] <abaddon> wafflejock: quick tip. You don't need to type cd ~ to get to home. cd will do the job as well
[04:12] <wafflejock> abaddon: ah right just never think about that did stumble on it at some point though
[04:13] <abaddon> wafflejock: XD Also, l -al would be nicer if he just wants to see the files rather than all the info.
[04:13] <abaddon> wafflejock: Just my two cents
[04:14] <zykotick9> abaddon: actually "l -al" won't show anything :p
[04:14] <zykotick9> abaddon: ;)
[04:14] <abaddon>  zykotick9 ummm....>.> it works for me....
[04:14] <abaddon> zykotick9: sorry, wrong person
[04:15] <abaddon> wafflejock: ummm....>.> it works for me....
[04:15] <zykotick9> abaddon: really? i get "Unknown option -al"
[04:15] <abaddon> zykotick9: ??????????? I SWEAR IT WORKS????
[04:15] <wafflejock> abaddon: actually I didn't say it didn't work... and it does work for me but does the same as ls -al
[04:16] <zykotick9> abaddon: i'd say you have an alias i don't have ;)
[04:16] <abaddon> wafflejock: un momento por favor
[04:16] <dreamx87> so I installed ubuntu on a toshiba Satelite C655, but it's not picking up the network card driver at all, it won't recognize (mount) external devices (usb/cd) while in ubuntu, any clues how to get the drivers there via alternative means?
[04:16] <zykotick9> abaddon: that' might be "expected", we are on different distros ;)
[04:16] <abaddon> zykotick9: wafflejock T.T I'm sorry, I'm wrong.
[04:17] <wafflejock> abaddon: no worries
[04:17] <wafflejock> dreamx87: sounds like disparate problems
[04:17] <wafflejock> dreamx87: you should approach each issue separately
[04:18] <wafflejock> dreamx87: generally speaking you want to use lspci or lsusb to get info about your devices (mainly the device id to lookup)
[04:18] <abaddon> wafflejock: It's l -a Derp. I'ma hush now
[04:18] <abaddon> cries in corner
[04:20] <abaddon> wafflejock: will blkid work too for giving device ids?
[04:21] <wheatthin> abaddon, only UUI's of hd's
[04:21] <wheatthin> UUID's*
[04:22] <zykotick9> wheatthin: sidenote, i find LABELS a lot easier to work with then UUIDs.  YMMV.
[04:22] <abaddon> wheatthin: Is not the UUID the device id? Or is it HW:0,9, etc?
[04:22] <wafflejock> abaddon: no slightly different
[04:22] <wheatthin> it'll say devid :P
[04:23] <abaddon> wafflejock: Ahhh....
[04:23] <wafflejock> !uuid | abaddon
[04:25] <abaddon> wafflejock: May I ask then what the Id would be?
[04:25] <wafflejock> abaddon: you mean the device id I referred to up there?
[04:26] <abaddon> wafflejock: Yes please
[04:26] <abaddon> !id | abaddon
[04:27] <hamiltont> Does anyone know a rapid-setup web server for serving a directory?
[04:27] <hamiltont> I'm auto-creating some documentation and I'd like to serve it up
[04:27] <unicornjedi> helloo, I created a subdomain with freeDNS. How can I use it so that it points to my IP address?
[04:27] <wafflejock> abaddon: the first 7 characters from lspci or after the ID word in the lsusb output are numbers that correspond to the hardware
[04:28] <wafflejock> abaddon: they both also give human readable names of the devices
[04:28] <wafflejock> unicornjedi: where are you stuck? do you know your IP?
[04:28] <wheatthin> it'll be in a ration sequence
[04:28] <sandman13> i downloaded xdm accidently is there a way to remove it
[04:28] <wheatthin> ratio*
[04:28] <unicornjedi> wafflejock, I know my IP.  I have my apache2 server set up as well.
[04:28] <Ben64> unicornjedi: thats really not an ubuntu issue, check with freedns or maybe ##networking or something
[04:28] <abaddon> wafflejock: Hmmm, ok.
[04:30] <unicornjedi> wafflejock, if I type in my subdomain in firefox (swagdogs.mooo.com) I can see the webpage but noone else can
[04:30] <wheatthin> unicornjedi, although that's a networking issue, You'll use your external IP address while creating a subdomain with your dns provider. Then you go configure apache to use that dns
[04:30] <adam_> where can I find the SSL module for apache2? I'd like to apt-get it
[04:31] <adam_> ie, what ppa do I need to add
[04:31] <hamiltont> wafflejock: just to be sure, you want to check that your IP address a public IP address. Easy way is to open a terminal and do this: "curl ifconfig.me"
[04:31] <wafflejock> adam_: believe you need openssl not to add a ppa
[04:31] <Ben64> unicornjedi: you really should be asking in ##networking
[04:31] <adam_> oh. I'll google for that
[04:31] <hamiltont> oops, meant to ping unicornjedi , sorry!
[04:31] <adam_> thanks
[04:31] <wafflejock> hamiltont: np just confused
[04:31] <wafflejock> :)
[04:31] <hamiltont> Yea my bad ;-)
[04:31] <unicornjedi> okay ill head over to networking. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[04:32] <hamiltont> unicornjedi: So it's pretty simple over all, but the "normal" home setup can be one of the hardest to get right
[04:33] <hamiltont> Your home router needs to know how to allow incoming port 80 traffic to be "port forwarded" to your computer
[04:33] <wheatthin> nah, you just have to setup the alias to use that subdomain.. not too hard
[04:33] <hamiltont> (if you're not on a home network e.g. you're using a server, then it's even easier)
[04:33] <Ben64> take it to ##networking
[04:33] <joossee_> I keep having GUI programs crash in ubuntu 12.04. Things like firefox, transmission, and mupen64plus.. all seem to be around and ewrror "... crashed with SIGSEGV in XQuesryExtension()" can someone help me out?
[04:34] <unicornjedi> hamiltont, haha, that's right. whenever I am on my website, I tie up my local area network
[04:34] <sandman13> i downloaded xdm accidently is there a way to remove it
[04:34] <hamiltont> Fair enough. Ben's right though, drop this into the other channel and we can resume there
[04:34] <wafflejock> sandman13: anything you install with apt-get install you can remove with apt-get remove or apt-get purge
[04:35] <Ben64> joossee_: give more details. how you installed ubuntu, what the computer is, any ppas you might have
[04:35] <wafflejock> sandman13: purge gets rid of binaries and config, remove just the binaries but leaves config
[04:35] <abaddon> Does anyone know how to switch to a pm on weechat?
[04:35] <sandman13> thanks wafflejock apt-get remove did the work
[04:36] <wafflejock> sandman13: np
[04:36] <wheatthin> abaddon, read the documentation or manpage.
[04:36] <abaddon> wheatthin: Did that, man page is well...not helpful
[04:36] <wheatthin> then google.
[04:37] <abaddon> wheatthin: righteo
[04:38] <sandman13> wafflejock: is there any alternative to internet download manager in ubuntu
[04:38] <DRiceTech> hey guys, I'm having a problem with Server 13.10 - anytime I do a restart or reboot, the computer shuts down - i have to manually restart the server
[04:38] <wafflejock> sandman13: there are some alternatives like synaptic but I generally prefer just dropping to the command line personally
[04:38] <wafflejock> sandman13: I only use the package managers if I want to selectively update or something like that in most cases... or I just want to browse occasionally
[04:39] <wafflejock> sandman13: I'm on KDE now so the default is Muon... it's fine I suppose, feel indifferent about it
[04:39] <gartral> where is ia32-libs for 13.10? I really need that package
[04:39] <sandman13> wafflejock: more like capturing audio and video files from the web pages like youtube
[04:40] <xsi_> How to install PHP PDO?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, it is on this page, hehe thae bind of using a cli client, good luck. http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html
[04:40] <xsi_> apt-get pdo?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> the*
[04:40] <wafflejock> sandman13: ah that kind of download... eh well there's sites that will do it for you and sent you the file... but not really something that can be supported here
[04:40] <gartral> hey all, I need a working solution for combining jack and pulse..
[04:40] <allstarsnorks2> Does this support custom distros that look and act like Ubuntu 13.10?
[04:41] <sandman13> wafflejock: i have heard of xtreme download manager but need someone to verify it
[04:41] <wafflejock> xsi_: it's in there by default
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2 This channel?
[04:41] <allstarsnorks2> Like using Relinux and such
[04:41] <allstarsnorks2> Yep
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Canonical ubuntu only.
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> or Canonical releases
[04:41] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Thank you
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, no prob.
[04:41] <allstarsnorks2> So Ubuntu distros that are custom made are not considered Canonical Ubuntu?
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, No they are derivatives.
[04:42] <wafflejock> xsi_: you just need to enable the appropraite modules between your php.ini and your apache config
[04:42] <allstarsnorks2> Was about to ask the install error but okay then
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, there is a ##linux channel and some for derivatives.
[04:43] <wafflejock> xsi_: if you're looking for mysql support search the php.ini for mysql to see where the modules need to be uncommented if they are commented out currently
[04:43] <xsi_> wafflejock I'm confused with windows's .dll files in php.ini (on my Gentoo) and 100% sure it's on a friend's Ubuntu
[04:44] <wafflejock> xsi_: the config files have some generic stuff that is preconfigured based on windows installs you need to correct sometimes
[04:44] <wafflejock> xsi_: not many places but there are a few
[04:44] <wafflejock> xsi_: mostly when it comes to paths and the like
[04:45] <wafflejock> xsi_: believe all of that stuff is commented out by default though so it all still works fine
[04:46] <Nuclear_muffin> I was installing a game in wine through steam, and when it was installing .netframework or whatever, it told me it requires 2097 Mb's but only 0 is available.
[04:46] <allstarsnorks2> By the way, how do I make XFCE my default desktop emvironment?
[04:47] <xsi_> wafflejock ok )
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, choose it at the login window and login it will default there then.
[04:47] <xsi_> Who uses here Openbox I have very old bug
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Have you install XFCE?
[04:47] <allstarsnorks2> It's that easy? Wow.
[04:48] <allstarsnorks2> I haven't, on my phone now.
[04:48] <greyhatpython> Is this True? Pros And Cons Of Ubuntu : http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=121562
[04:48] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, gotta install it first.
[04:48] <allstarsnorks2> I know
[04:49] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2,unless it is part of the xubunutu install which I believe it is, look at the dropdown at the login.
[04:49] <allstarsnorks2> sudo apt-get update. After that, sudo apt-get install xfce4 right?
[04:49] <maxklim> hi all!
[04:49] <allstarsnorks2> wilee-nilee I'm using Ubuntu 13.10
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, correct, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[04:50] <abaddon> greyhatpython: Mmmm...yup
[04:50] <allstarsnorks2> Great.
[04:51] <abaddon> greyhatpython: Welll...you can use a diffrent Desktop enviro
[04:51] <abaddon> greyhatpython: so you can remove the spyware easily
[04:52] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: yeah it's a lot of hype
[04:52] <greyhatpython> So the default is spyware?
[04:52] <abaddon> greyhatpython: ...imho...yeah, I bet it is
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> !fud
[04:53] <abaddon> greyhatpython: wilee-nilee Ok ok ok, sorry
[04:53] <allstarsnorks2> But will installing xfce4 on Ubuntu give me Xubuntu's look or just stock xfce?
[04:53] <greyhatpython> It is still a spyware even after i disable the online search results?
[04:53] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: the lens does lookups on Amazon and it does log what you're typing in there just like Google logs stuff from your e-mail to tell you when your flight is and YouTube keeps track of what you watch to suggest Ads
[04:53] <abaddon> greyhatpython: Just read up on their polacies and the complaints.
[04:54] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: you can use XUbuntu Kubuntu or some other flavor if you really want to avoid unity otherwise you can remove/disable the functionality
[04:54] <abaddon> greyhatpython: It's a really good os. It just has problems like all other os's out there
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, No more spyware then the rest you are attached to when you hit the web, not really any more than a colloquial term and inaccurate at best.
[04:55] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: I used Ubuntu for quite a while, was sort of off put when Unity came around (we fear change) but then it sort of grew on me... after checking out KDE though I decided I liked the control/customization more
[04:56] <abaddon> greyhatpython: After disabling the stuff you're more or less good.
[04:56] <greyhatpython> ok if it logs just like you said like youtube that means no harm to my privacy
[04:57] <abaddon> Though, you may not like the package called popularity-contest. It sends info about what pkgs you use the most so that Canon can get a beter sense nof what users use
[04:58] <greyhatpython> ok then i don't feel this is a critical issue.
[04:58] <abaddon> greyhatpython: cool, welcome to Ubu
[04:58] <abaddon> =]
[04:58] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: yeah it's not like they're digging up your credit card numbers or watching you through your webcam, that said I personally am a bit paranoid and if I was trying to build a real secure system would start with gentoo or arch or something with less going on but I don't feel it's a huge issue
[04:58] <wheatthin> ehh, invasion of privacy.. lol
[04:58] <greyhatpython> let them know  what package i use because i use open source package itself
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, wave to the nsa as you go about the web. ;)
[04:58] <abaddon> wafflejock: ghas a point greyhatpython
[04:59] <wafflejock> wilee-nilee: better leave them donuts :) Into the Wires from Kevin Mitnick was good
[04:59] <greyhatpython> abaddon welcome to ubuntu? I have been using ubuntu from 8.04!
[04:59] <wilee-nilee> hehe and coffee
[04:59] <abaddon> greyhatpython: XD My mistake, sorry
[05:00] <greyhatpython> abaddon it's ok!
[05:00]  * wilee-nilee thinks privacy is an illusion and has been for a long time.
[05:00] <greyhatpython> One more question? Why TOR is not working in my Ubuntu 13.10?
[05:01] <greyhatpython> I used PPA
[05:01] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: does it just not install?
[05:01] <abaddon> Privacy may be an illusion but I want a darn good one if I gotta put up with it. It's not happening so far though
[05:01] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: might not have a package for your distro/proc
[05:01] <allstarsnorks2> Alright. XFCE4 installed on Ubuntu 13.10. Now, I want it to look like Xubuntu.
[05:02] <greyhatpython> It will install and says connected tor network but says out of date and doesn't launch firefox
[05:02] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, You want to use the tor browser from there site
[05:02] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Then install xubuntu
[05:02] <greyhatpython> The tor browser bundle is out of date and doesn't launch firefox
[05:03] <allstarsnorks2> Damn.
[05:03] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, It launches there ff build
[05:03] <wafflejock> allstarsnorks2: you probably want xubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <allstarsnorks2> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[05:03] <xangua> greyhatpython: tor site recomends the bundle they provide
[05:03] <wafflejock> allstarsnorks2: should work
[05:03] <wafflejock> my apt-cache search sees it
[05:04] <wafflejock> sounds right
[05:04] <lll> hello
[05:04] <wafflejock> lll: hi
[05:04] <greyhatpython> but the tor bundle says out of date by itself
[05:04] <allstarsnorks2> wafflejock: thanks
[05:04] <abaddon> lll: yoo
[05:04] <wafflejock> allstarsnorks2: np
[05:05] <wheatthin> use torsocks
[05:06] <lll> I want some soft start with the system ,how?
[05:07] <wilee-nilee> lll, Soft start?
[05:07] <lll> guake terminal
[05:07] <lll> a soft
[05:07] <lll> software
[05:08] <wilee-nilee> I don't have the energy to even look that up, be clear.
[05:08] <wheatthin> lll, and please don't use enter as punctuation
[05:08] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: I can try an take this?
[05:09] <wilee-nilee> you don;t have to ask me go for it
[05:09] <lll> I want a software to start with the beginning of system
[05:09] <wafflejock> lll: you can use either the startup section in your system settings or you can use your .profile or .bash_rc script
[05:09] <wafflejock> lll: alternatively you might want to include a startup script in init or init.d but I haven't done that personally
[05:10] <lll> Thank you
[05:10] <wafflejock> !upstart | lll
[05:10] <wafflejock> lll: np
[05:10] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Nvm, wafflejock got him
[05:11] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Do you do this as a job?
[05:11] <sandman13> wafflejock: can you suggest me the download manager that captures audio and video files automatically
[05:11] <xangua> !volunteer | abaddon
[05:12] <xangua> mmm :/
[05:12] <abaddon> xangua: -.- Funny
[05:13] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, Hehe not really just a hobby, I'm in grad school on a totally unrelated study.
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[05:14] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: morning
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: hello mate
[05:14] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Ahhh, gotcha.
[05:14] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, more of an obsession tough. ;)
[05:14] <wilee-nilee> though*
[05:15] <wafflejock> yeah this is my chill out after work thing to do lately
[05:15] <wafflejock> trying to help and learning
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: good idea
[05:15] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: I try and help to learn more. XD At the expince of others...he...he...he....
[05:16] <wafflejock> abaddon: that happens sometimes but it can be unfortunate, always need to be cautious when giving out advice
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> best way of learning is solving problems
[05:16] <abaddon> wafflejock: Trust me, I really work on not giving out useless info. I just mess up at times. =/
[05:17] <wafflejock> definitely when you have to explain something you really need to know it so it forces you to get an understanding
[05:17] <wafflejock> abaddon: yeah I hear ya stuff happens (keeping it PG)
[05:17] <abaddon> wafflejock: Heh heh, pg
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> im looking for an alternative to the package 'prey' an anti-theft program for laptops, any sugestions?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> !info prey
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> or a script maybe that can email the laptops location every ubuntu boot, would do the trick
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> prey uses online administration and i dont like that very much
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> if someone hacks their online database, they can access all laptops location in the world...that not really the meaning of anti-theft right
[05:22] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: if you configure sendmail to work you can just use mail to send a message I believe
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: but what information would it email?
[05:22] <wheatthin> lotuspsychje, use your imagination.
[05:22] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: good question...
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: im trying to brainstorm about this, but prey is the only thing i found
[05:23] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: perhaps route trace or something not sure about geo ip lookup easily from the command line though
[05:23] <wheatthin> lotuspsychje, that's more of an offtopic subject no?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: no because im looking an ubuntu anti-theft package
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> i need an alternative ubuntu package
[05:24] <wheatthin> lol so go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> why?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> this is ontopic
[05:24] <wheatthin> Is your system stranded or unuseable?
[05:25] <joossee_> I keep having GUI programs crash in ubuntu 12.04. Things like firefox, transmission, and mupen64plus.. all seem to be around and ewrror "... crashed with SIGSEGV in XQuesryExtension()" can someone help me out?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: users come here for sugestions of software also, not only broken things
[05:26] <wheatthin> lol Support not suggestions.
[05:26] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Have you booted a live cd/usb to see if it happens there?
[05:26] <techkid6> Is there a way to disable middle mouse in Ubuntu, especially the paste deal? I keep pasting accidentally copied things into my IRC shell (irssi)
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: support on information of existing packages
[05:26] <abaddon> wheatthin: mmmm offering alternatives is support.
[05:27] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, no. what is SIGSEGV ?
[05:27] <abaddon> joossee_: look up on google?
[05:27] <abaddon> >.>
[05:27] <wafflejock> joossee_: https://www.google.com/search?q=SIGSEGV+in+XQuesryExtension&oq=SIGSEGV+in+XQuesryExtension&aqs=chrome..69i57.310j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=what+is+SIGSEGV&spell=1
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Not sure, I would make sure this is not a a hardware problem with a live cd.
[05:28] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: I don't recall the name but there is another tracker.
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: nice, hope you refind in your memory :p
[05:29] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: something like patriot or eagle
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: lemme lookup tnx
[05:29] <joossee_> wafflejock, wilee-nilee i suspect there is a problem with my video card? would that be rational? I have error correcting server ram condfiured with 4GB's as backup on 32Gb ram server..
[05:29] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: I'll look through my bookmarks
[05:29] <wheatthin> joossee_, is this 32bit or 64bit?
[05:29] <joossee_> wheatthin, 64
[05:30] <joossee_> i mean.. CLI stuff will run for days zero errors... but anything with a GUI seems suceptible?
[05:31] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Dude, clinically it has been proven that the answer to any problem is gotten to fastest by starting at the simplest problems first.
[05:32] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: I think it actually was prey.... They just changed their web page
[05:32] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: =/
[05:32] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, dont disagree but running a boot CD..  does that even come with firefox? transmission? mupen64?
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: tnx for looking anyway mate
[05:32] <abaddon> joossee_: it'll come with ff and transmission
[05:32] <ianorlin> unless it is mini
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, FF yes Transmission I believe so, but is any of that even working for you now?
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: prey got a hidden package install, but i dont like its administration online
[05:33] <wheatthin> joossee_, a livedvd will come with it, yes
[05:33] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: Yeah, sorry about that
[05:33] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, ya when it says firefox crashes, nothing actually happens. ff stays open works fine. transmission crashed and mupen crashed a day after i opened it...
[05:33] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: So I'm not sure whyn that's an issue? What is the likelyhood of them getting hacked?
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> joossee_ I suspect you have just messes up your install as a new user, could this be the case?
[05:33] <joossee_> can i get a live cd of server 64?
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> messed*
[05:34] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, i had to replace fglrx a bunch of times to make my cvard work... bad repos where to blame
[05:34] <wafflejock> joossee_: doing a bit of googling I'm seeing a lot of it surrounding ATI
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: its just me, i dont trust online stuff, clouds..i prefer my own secure system
[05:34] <wheatthin> joossee_, no, usually server installs are cli
[05:34] <wafflejock> joossee_: yeah server install won't have the GUI
[05:34] <irreverant> whats a good to share a screen online from ubuntu to windows
[05:34] <wafflejock> joossee_: that's basically the point of the server install disk
[05:35] <joossee_> wheatthin, yes, but i installed ubuntu desktop ontop of server... this machine is a beast so overhead not a problem
[05:35] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: XD Gotta given an take bro. Maybe fork prey and improve upon it
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, You have an upgrade right that had a bunch of not supported ppa's right?
[05:35] <wheatthin> joossee_, but you can't install that ontop of a livecd
[05:35] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: Assuming it really is open
[05:35] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, yes the xorg/ender repo i think
[05:35] <irreverant> join.me doesnt work on ubuntu and screenleap seems to want to install java for linux, it uses rpm and then just offers linux
[05:35] <irreverant> but im not sure if that means apt package installation
[05:35] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, now i only use the real ppas
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: maybe there's an ssh trick, once you boot laptop you could access it remote, but i need a warning method also
[05:36] <irreverant> any help?
[05:36] <irreverant> team viewer a good one?
[05:36] <wafflejock> irreverant: likely a tar.gz which they will have a README for doing installation
[05:36] <wafflejock> irreverant: I've used Team viewer but not on linux it was fine
[05:36] <wafflejock> irreverant: if you just need remoting but not while viewing VNC will work (may be able to view as well can't recall)
[05:36] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Heh, if it were me I would reinstall and document or remember/understand what I did and was doing. and clone at some point.
[05:37] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, i have a pretty good handle on what i did and did not do. not sure how thats helpful?
[05:37] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: hmmm, maybe write a bash script to ping tom a given network and if not on the network send an email?
[05:37] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: Then just use an application to get it's location
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: yes that might work
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: would be cool to get emails every ubuntu boot, if the thief is not too smart he will at least boot the latop once right
[05:38] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: If you're good with C or C++ maybe make us a newprog. ;P
[05:38] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, perfectly helpful, theoretically any open source OS is fixable, from your comments I doubt that last statement with a slight snicker. ;)
[05:38] <joossee_> i cant just go about rebooting my server to boot another OS. these errors arent super frequent.. just enuff to be annoying
[05:39] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: that'd do.
[05:39] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: install mail-utils install sendmail install http://iharder.sourceforge.net/current/macosx/locateme/
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> I laugh in your general direction, not directly at you. ;)
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: tnx mate lemme look that up
[05:39] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: you could get his/her network info and tell the police to trace it
[05:39] <abaddon> et
[05:40] <abaddon> etc*
[05:40] <joossee_> w/e man its all good. i appreciate the help anyways
[05:40] <wafflejock> abaddon: police take forever... took them days to find me and I wasn't even hiding :)
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: an ip will do the trick :p
[05:40] <irreverant> yeah it was a tar.gz with a readme
[05:40] <irreverant> i just installed teamviewer installed
[05:41] <wafflejock> I also am not a big truster in the cloud services... looked at last pass for like 5 minutes and then got too paranoid and found KeePass
[05:41] <wafflejock> irreverant: let me know how it goes
[05:41] <abaddon> wafflejock: do I want to know...? >.>
[05:42] <joossee_> heres more details on the specific issue I get as a "SegvReason Reading unknown VMA" SegvReason: writing unknown VMA would mean that something was attempting to write to the destination of a pointer aimed outside of allocated memory. (This is sometimes a security issue.)
[05:42] <wafflejock> abaddon: you don't...
[05:42] <abaddon> wafflejock: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> wafflejock, I suppose so chicago is a big area oakpark is a bit smaller
[05:42] <joossee_> any idea what my security issue might be...?
[05:43] <abaddon> wafflejock: lotuspsychje btw, it's mailutils not mail-utils
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> !info mailutils
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> how about a keylogger to email? that exist?
[05:48] <sandman13> is there a way to clear last typed commands in terminal?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> sandman13: man history
[05:49] <zykotick9> sandman13: fyi if you start commands with a <space> they won't be saved by history.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !info logkeys
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> lemme install that
[05:53] <superjoe> I'm trying to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage. It works when I compile without dpkg-buildpackage, but with dpkg-buildpackage I get "relocation blah against symbol blah can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[05:54] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, ~/ bash_history
[05:55] <sandman13> lotuspsychje: a bit complicated
[05:55] <sgerbino> Hello all, I am having issues with my tty1-6 when using nvidia-current drivers. With nouveau they are working fine. When I install nvidia-current they characters show but they shaky... anyone know a solution for this?
[05:55] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, ~/ .bash_history actually left out the period it is hidden.
[05:56] <abaddon> Alright guys, I'm off tonight
[05:57] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: not working for me
[05:57] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, whats not working?
[05:57] <sandman13> wilee-nilee the command
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, what command, I gave you not a command but where it's at/
[05:58] <sandman13> wilee-nilee sorry my bad :)
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, Heh, easy mistake. ;)
[06:00] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: from home folder or from /
[06:00] <superjoe> I narrowed it down to the fact that dpkg-buildpackage is somehow adding -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions  to the linker args which breaks the build
[06:00] <superjoe> how can I disable this?
[06:00] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, ~/  is home
[06:01] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: nothing like that
[06:01] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, hit ctrl-h its hidden
[06:01] <sandman13> wilee-nilee done that
[06:02] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, no .bash_history you say
[06:02] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: found it i was looking for folder :D
[06:02] <wilee-nilee> In home'
[06:03] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, I will save the snarky remark as I am trying to be kinder ans nicer. ;)
[06:03] <wilee-nilee> and
[06:05] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: cleared history thanks
[06:05] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, No problem.
[06:07] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: seen your message box
[06:07] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, message box?
[06:08] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: yes place where we send PM
[06:08] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, I have PM off, no meesage from me.
[06:09] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: oh btw can you suggest me a good download manager like internet download manager?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> sandman13: firefox got default download list
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, for downloading what, with ubuntu you have apt-get the softwrae center or synaptic.
[06:10] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: for downloading flv videos from websites
[06:10] <aslan> Hi, I got a scenario that my custom OS is read only filesystem which doesn't have the terminal access, where I got few directories  with read permission.. I would like to know how can I play around with scripts in this
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> some will use aptitude not sure why anymore
[06:11] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, Ah can't really say as some are really against site rules or the law, so......
[06:12] <wafflejock> aslan: what kinds of scripts?
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> aslan, what does   lsb_release -a say
[06:12] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: pm me then
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, i DON;T PM.
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> sorry hit the caps
[06:12] <sandman13> wilee-nilee:okay no problem
[06:13] <aslan> wafflejock, I kept a script in /tmp and I want to run it as root
[06:13] <aslan> wilee-nilee, The lsb_release is ubuntu 11.0
[06:13] <wilee-nilee> aslan, That is end of life
[06:14] <wilee-nilee> whatever it is, the answer is not waht you get anyway.
[06:16] <Gnar> how come you guys use an inferior os?
[06:16] <wilee-nilee> Gnar, To get your comments
[06:17] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: how to uninstall the applications installed in this way?http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/04/xtreme-download-manager-alternative-internet-download-manager-for-linux.html
[06:22] <wafflejock> aslan: without terminal access you can't do a whole lot
[06:23] <Pinkamen1_D> I had google chrome with a bunch of tabe up and I just hit the alt key and something by accident and it just vanished. I have a memory moniter so I know it is not closed, but the window does not appear in any desktop
[06:24] <sandman13> how to uninstall a program that is installed with java?
[06:24] <wafflejock> sandman13: java itself doesn't install programs
[06:24] <wafflejock> sandman13: or rather it's not typically used to install programs
[06:25] <wafflejock> sandman13: you can download a program with a java program then install it
[06:25] <wafflejock> sandman13: if it's a .sh file you'll have to see if it takes a --uninstall flag or has some other option for uninstalling
[06:26] <wafflejock> sandman13: if it's a .deb file you can use dpkg purge or dpkg deinstall if it's apt-get you use remove or purge
[06:26] <sandman13> wafflejock: in .sh file it is written java -jar filename.jar and nothing else
[06:26] <wafflejock> java -jar just executes a java file
[06:26] <wafflejock> jar is a java archive
[06:26] <wafflejock> -jar just tells java runtime you're going to give it a jar file which is like a zip with a Manifest file in it that tells it which class to execute
[06:27] <wafflejock> the class is a compiled java file
[06:27] <wafflejock> it could potentially do anything
[06:27] <sandman13> wafflejock: that means i can simply remove it to "uninstall"
[06:27] <wafflejock> sandman13: generally speaking yes the jar file might write configuration files elsewhere but it's typical for a jar to have everything in it to run
[06:28] <sandman13> wafflejock: does the program leaves traces
[06:28] <wafflejock> sandman13: if you install stuff outside of apt-get though you need to follow the advice from the site where you obtained the installation about how to properly remove
[06:29] <cyphase> anyone know what file to delete to re-enable the first time sudo message?
[06:29] <wafflejock> sandman13: this is one of the nice things about using dpkg/apt-get the packages have descriptors of what is installed where so it can be easily removed
[06:29] <wilee-nilee> cyphase, first time sudo message?
[06:29] <wafflejock> sandman13: with a jar file it's up to whoever writes it to decide what conventions to follow when it comes to configuration files and the like
[06:29] <cfhowlett> cyphase, first time what?
[06:31] <sandman13> wafflejock: i followed the steps to get the programs like in this website: http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/04/xtreme-download-manager-alternative-internet-download-manager-for-linux.html
[06:31] <cyphase> wilee-nilee, sorry, it's late. that message that shows up the first time you use sudo; with great power comes great responsibility, etc
[06:31] <meet_praveen> how can i set java home environment variable
[06:32] <wilee-nilee> cyphase,  Poat the out out of running   lsb_release -a
[06:32] <wilee-nilee> Post*
[06:32] <wafflejock> sandman13: you probably want to get rid of the jar file and go into your browser settings and remove any extensions it installed... beyond that I have no idea really..
[06:33] <sandman13> wafflejock: okay let's see
[06:35] <wafflejock> sandman13: if you want to try to be a bit more sure you can use something like this: http://linux.die.net/man/1/inotifywatch to watch what files get changed
[06:35] <wafflejock> sandman13: I haven't used that one in particular but have used similar tools in windows to see what exactly an installer is doing
[06:36] <sandman13> wafflejock: normally where do these program get installed?
[06:37] <eminor> sandman13: you can use dpkg -L <name> to see what files are in a software package
[06:37] <wafflejock> sandman13: like I said with jar it can be anywhere really... well really any package can install anywhere
[06:37] <wafflejock> eminor: he's dealing with a jar he executed
[06:37] <wafflejock> eminor: it installs some junk in your browser
[06:38] <eminor> don't use java :>
[06:39] <wafflejock> sandman13: usually your programs installed through apt-get will just be setup in /usr/bin or have symbolic links there
[06:39] <wafflejock> eminor: nothing wrong with Java it's used in huge deployments on WebSphere servers running clusters of machines, client side java isn't anything great but on the server it's fine
[06:40] <sandman13> wafflejock: threw it out from firefox
[06:41] <sandman13> wafflejock: it used proxy to automate downloads in case of chrome
[06:41] <sandman13> wafflejock: changed proxy from automatic to none
[06:42] <xboxde> tcc xbox?
[06:42] <wafflejock> package{public class DoStuff {public static void main(String args[]){System.out.printl("does limited stuff");}}}//harmless see :)
[06:42] <wafflejock> awe syntax error println*
[06:42] <xboxde> alguem tcc pt???
[06:42] <impradeepy> hi guys
[06:43] <cfhowlett> xboxde, wrong channel I think
[06:43] <cfhowlett> impradeepy, greetings
[06:43] <xboxde> thanks
[06:43] <wafflejock> !br | xboxde
[06:43] <impradeepy> ssup frns?
[06:43] <xboxde> i am tryng my xbox ubutum
[06:43] <somsip> !english | impradeepy
[06:44] <impradeepy> was using shortcuts
[06:44] <impradeepy> whatsup all?
[06:44] <wafflejock> impradeepy: lets stick with english enough acronyms to go around :)
[06:44] <cfhowlett> impradeepy, what is your ubuntu question.
[06:45] <impradeepy> i am searching a gui for fan controller
[06:46] <impradeepy> and temperature monitor for cpu
[06:46] <wafflejock> impradeepy: there's psensor, I'm using KDE now there's some nice plasmoids/plasma widgets for showing the stats on everything... not sure about fan control
[06:47] <impradeepy> will try now
[06:49] <impradeepy> psensors are not available for 13.04 :(
[06:50] <impradeepy> wafflejock any alternatives??
[06:52] <wafflejock> impradeepy: sorry not sure on Unity, like I said in KDE lots of plasmoids for displaying the system stuff
[06:52] <Ben64> !info psensor raring | impradeepy
[06:52] <impradeepy> its ok
[06:53] <impradeepy> ubottu not available in software centre
[06:53] <Ben64> impradeepy: yes it is, ubottu gets that info from the same location
[06:54] <wafflejock> impradeepy: psensor no s
[06:55] <wafflejock> impradeepy: it is sorta basic and not super nice looking compared to the KDE options but it's functional
[06:55] <impradeepy> thankyou
[06:55] <impradeepy> got it
[06:56] <pogiako1> hello
[06:56] <pogiako1> can someone give me examples on how to use globs?
[06:57] <pogiako1> i mean grep
[06:57] <wafflejock> impradeepy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888606 <- some interesting stuff on using PWM pulse width modulation to control the average voltage supplied to the fan
[06:57] <wafflejock> impradeepy: obviously use at your own risk :)
[06:58] <wafflejock> pogiako1: Google http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_04_02.html
[06:58] <impradeepy> wafflejock wait m following d given instructions
[06:59] <gartral> where is ia32-libs for 13.10? I really need that package
[07:00] <wafflejock> gartral: http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[07:01] <wafflejock> gartral: alternatively have you considered compiling whatever it is that depends on ia32 that you are trying to install from the repos?
[07:03] <gartral> wafflejock: no, recompalation isn't an option
[07:04] <wafflejock> gartral: what are you trying to install
[07:04] <gartral> wafflejock: nothing it's a self-contained 32-bit app
[07:05] <wafflejock> I don't understand why it can't just be recompiled then? is it not open source?
[07:05] <maek> just because I have an /etc/init.d script that does not mean its actually using upstart right?
[07:06] <wafflejock> !upstart | maek
[07:06] <reisio> maek: running, you mean?
[07:06] <maek> or upstart features?
[07:06] <maek> wafflejock: thanks.
[07:06] <wafflejock> SystemV uses /etc/init.d upstart uses /etc/init
[07:06] <gartral> wafflejock: it *IS* tecnically opensource, but the code has 32-bit binblobs, and also many functions that are explicit hardcodes
[07:06] <impradeepy> wafflejock please see this ouptut http://paste.ubuntu.com/6441430/ after line 157
[07:06] <Ben64> gartral: the solution is to use multiarch and get whichever libraries you need
[07:06] <maek> reisio: im new to ubuntu and I have elasticsearch installing what looks like a traditional sysV init script but its not working. im trying to debug it following upstart docs but I dont see the config file for the job, etc
[07:07] <reisio> how's it not working?
[07:07] <maek> wafflejock: oh. so I guess its using sysV
[07:07] <wafflejock> impradeepy: seems it's not possible then
[07:07] <wafflejock> maek: yeah there's a mix right now I believe for backwards compatibility
[07:07] <maek> reisio: cant tell. no output. it just says 'started' but then no process and no ouput
[07:07] <reisio> maek: that's not necessarily abnormal
[07:07] <wafflejock> maek: with the plan to move everything to upstart eventually I believe
[07:07] <maek> ok so its just sysV thne
[07:08] <reisio> maek: mmmm, or it's running and you don't realize it :)
[07:08] <reisio> maek: can you pastebin the init script?
[07:08] <wafflejock> maek: basically SystemV was more linear in it's startup system upstart is based on dependencies and start things in parallel as soon as possible
[07:08] <impradeepy> wafflejock  no way to install pwm-capable sensor modules?
[07:08] <maek> reisio: id be surprised. no port bound, no process etc
[07:08] <reisio> I think he cares less about sysv vs upstart and more about his service working
[07:08] <wafflejock> impradeepy: yeah looks like a lack of hardware support for the PWM, it did seem a bit strange
[07:09] <maek> reisio: its the output of this https://github.com/elasticsearch/cookbook-elasticsearch/blob/master/templates/default/elasticsearch.init.erb
[07:09] <impradeepy> wafflejock hp dm4 suckz
[07:09] <wafflejock> reisio: yeah just explaining cause I just read up on it and figure it's worth it to know
[07:09] <maek> I was expecting like an upstart job like runsvdir
[07:09] <impradeepy> wafflejock thankuvey much
[07:09] <reisio> maek: so pgrep -l elasticsearch, nothing?
[07:10] <wafflejock> impradeepy: np
[07:10] <maek> reisio: correct.
[07:10] <maek> no port 9200 either
[07:10] <reisio> maek: and the PIDFILE is not present?
[07:10] <maek> let me check. i think its making the pid but nothing else
[07:11] <reisio> if the pidfile is there it won't ever start
[07:11] <maek> the start-stop-daemon command is tricky never seen anything like     ES_INCLUDE=$ES_INCLUDE start-stop-daemon --background --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --chuid <%= node[:elasticsearch][:user] %> --exec /usr/local/bin/elasticsearch -- -p $PIDFILE
[07:11] <gpled> having trouble formating a usb jump drive
[07:11] <maek> reisio: oh yeah, I delete it and it re creates
[07:11] <reisio> maek: that said: https://gist.github.com/rbscott/1052015
[07:11] <reisio> etc.: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22elasticsearch%22%20%22upstart%22
[07:12] <maek> reisio: ty will look.
[07:12] <reisio> yeah some of that is meant to be preprocessed
[07:12] <reisio> the rest is normal looking for an init script
[07:12] <maek> yeah the erb stuff is clear but
[07:13] <maek>     ES_INCLUDE=$ES_INCLUDE start-stop-daemon --background --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --chuid <%= node[:elasticsearch][:user] %> --exec /usr/local/bin/elasticsearch -- -p $PIDFILE
[07:13] <maek> that is basically the line that gets ran
[07:13] <reisio> yeah
[07:13] <reisio> it just says run the executable, and track it with a file
[07:13] <maek> and I have no idea how you run start-stop-daemon as an arg to a var setting. thats just blowing my mind trying to figure out what its doing.
[07:13] <reisio> it's not an arg to a var setting
[07:13] <ripthejacker> Is it recommended to use Ubuntu 13.10 server edition on a production server and then upgrade to 14.04 when it releases, or should I stick to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[07:13] <reisio> FOO=bar command just means run command with FOO=bar
[07:14] <reisio> instead of, potentially, FOO being equal to what the environment ordinarily has
[07:14] <maek> ah ok
[07:14] <maek> clear
[07:14] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, as I understand it, LTS is recommended for server stability so 12.04 to 14.04
[07:14] <maek> path=foo command
[07:14] <Ben64> ripthejacker: either at this point, since both are one upgrade from 14.04
[07:14] <reisio> so if you have two X's running, for example, :0 and :1, you can say DISPLAY=:1 gedit to run gedit on the second one
[07:14] <reisio> maek: yeah
[07:14] <maek> reisio: ok ty.
[07:14] <reisio> it's a one-off environmental variable reset
[07:14] <reisio> or a one-off variable
[07:14] <reisio> depending
[07:14] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, consider: 13.10 has a 9 month lifespan.  Do you REALLY want to install/config a server every 9 months?  especially a production server?
[07:15] <dancat> How can I add a process to start at boot and stop at shutdown by a specific user
[07:15] <ripthejacker> cfhowlett, Ben64: What are the factors that I have to keep in mind while upgrading, such that the upgradation does not break my existing setup?
[07:15] <gartral> Ben64: I tried that
[07:15] <eyfour> ripthejacker: If you can afford downtime and troubleshooting (if necessary) during the upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04, and you need the newest features/versions badly, go ahead with 13.10. Otherwise, go 12.04 LTS.
[07:16] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, I'm not a server admin and I don't speak that language.  sorry ... see ben64 and eyfour 's comments or ask in #ubuntu-server
[07:16] <Ben64> ripthejacker: config files mostly
[07:16] <gartral> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/LCwjth7U <- list of libs I need http://pastebin.com/7zp67aQX <- what happens when I try to install them
[07:18] <Ben64> gartral: ok, so thats not the correct name
[07:18] <gartral> ripthejacker: your main concern will be your init level changes, make sure to read the changelogs for the version upgrade and pre-patch accordingly
[07:19] <ripthejacker> Ben64, eyfour: what is the version I setup if I am definitely going to upgrade to 14.04?
[07:19] <gartral> ripthejacker: 12.04 LTS
[07:19] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, you can directly upgrade 12.04 to 14.04
[07:19] <eyfour> ripthejacker: 12.04 LTS
[07:20] <Ben64> yeah, 12.04 gives you much longer to engineer the upgrade
[07:20] <ripthejacker> thank you guys :)
[07:20] <ripthejacker> have a nice day
[07:20] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, best of luck
[07:20] <Ben64> april 2017 vs july 2014
[07:21] <gartral> ripthejacker: you too
[07:21] <ripthejacker> cfhowlett: :D
[07:21] <eyfour> ripthejacker: good luck :)
[07:21]  * gartral hugs his server