[01:07] <The_Dream_19> hallo
[01:11] <ThePilot_226> hi
[01:58] <rackIT> does k3b 1.91 transcode mp3s? I used to have to turn mp3's into ogg in amarok when I was using hardy. Just upgraded to Lucid and thing are a bit different.
[02:00] <ttxs> kubuntu netbook is blind annoying]
[02:00] <ttxs> oh, hieverxyone
[02:01] <ttxs> rackIT for simple tasks like that, use a windows machine and save yourself a few hours]
[02:01] <rackIT> ttxs: what is this "windows" you speak of?
[02:02] <ttxs> it iis an evil creature
[02:02] <ttxs> that one should never pay to use
[02:02] <ttxs> if one is so unfortunate to have to]
[02:03] <rackIT> ttxs: even if it was free, I'd stick to my linux (or bsd)
[02:04] <ttxs> sigh
[02:04] <ttxs> i just murdered the win7 thatcame with this netbook
[02:05] <ttxs> new to linux
[02:05] <ttxs> what is bsd
[02:08] <ttxs> ek sal vir oom google vra...
[02:16] <DarthFrog> BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) is a variant of Unix.
[02:25] <LIIT> Good evening - I'm having issuws with npviewer.bin hogging the CPU (64bit Kubuntu) - been looking around, but the only suggestions I can find is 1) create a hotkey to kill npviewer and 2) install the 64bit adobe plugin. I'm tired of killing it every 10 secs, and the links to Adobe tells me there is no linux 64bit plugin right now. Anyone have some better suggestions ? :-)
[02:26] <dverweire> LIIT:  how about using chrome?
[02:26] <dverweire> i think that it packages its own flash
[02:26] <LIIT> dverweire: tried, runs even worse with chromium
[02:27] <LIIT> dverweire: hmm, might be missing a package then
[02:27] <LIIT> dverweire: didn
[02:27] <LIIT> dverweire: didn't install anything specific for chrom
[02:27] <dverweire> LIIT: are you using chromium or the official chrome?
[02:27] <LIIT> dverweire: chromium - is there a chrome for linux ?
[02:27] <dverweire> LIIT: chromium is what's in the repos, but google has a chrome deb package. yup.
[02:27] <LIIT> dverweire: excelent, I will try that out right away :-)
[02:28] <dverweire> LIIT: btw, it will add a repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d so you will get automatic updates through apt as well.
[02:35] <LIIT> dverweire: chrome is using npviewer.bin too - do I need to install something other than just 64bit chrome ?
[02:36] <dverweire> LIIT: sorry i didn't realize that would happen too. and now after checking it actually looks like my chrome is using npviewer.bin also.
[02:37] <dverweire> in chrome i went to about:plugins and it looks like it is using the plugin installed with flashplugin-installer
[02:37] <LIIT> dverweire: well, I got the real chrome instead of chronium, so that's a nice thing :-) But this Flash thing is driving me crazy
[02:37] <LIIT> trying to watch live NFL, but after 10-15 secs, it's using 150-170% CPU
[02:38] <dverweire> but this article says that it should be bundled. http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/03/dev-channel-update_30.html
[02:38] <dverweire> oh wow
[02:38] <dverweire> do you have a link to what you are watching? maybe i could try it and see how my system reacts, i'm on kubuntu 10.04
[02:39] <LIIT> same here - let me find a link to the demo
[02:39] <LIIT> http://gamepass.nfl.com/ << view demo
[02:42] <dverweire> just went to hulu and was watching something. and it stayed around 15% and when i went to full screen it was around 30%
[02:42] <LIIT> I can't even run it in full screen - I get like ½ fps :-/
[02:42] <dverweire> and i cannot try gamepass because it thinks that i am not in the united states, but I am
[02:42] <dverweire> ouch!
[02:43] <LIIT> It might be blocked because you are in the states - not sure - I'm outside
[02:43] <dverweire> oh. hmm
[02:43] <LIIT> Been having problems with npviewer a long time, but normally I just kill it and refresh the page using flash
[02:43] <LIIT> But this 3000 Kbps HD is too much it seams
[02:43] <LIIT> seems
[02:44] <dverweire> hmmm. i'm almost willing to bet that my machine would start seeing some serious cpu action at 3000Kbps if that's what i was watching.
[02:45] <LIIT> Guess I will have to run windows after all and reboot back and forth :-/
[02:45] <dverweire> hmmm. let me see what the highest bitrate i can find just to check.
[02:45] <LIIT> There are people talking about problems with npviewer and 64bit everywhere - but no good solutions
[02:46] <dverweire> yeah. i haven't looked into it in a while. is there any documentation on enableing vdpau with flash?
[02:46] <dverweire> i've been happy with flash just working period. :)
[02:47] <LIIT> I don't know - still a rookie :-)
[02:47] <dverweire> :)
[02:48] <dverweire> looks like not. apparently there were rumors of video acceleration with vdpau for flash 10.1 but it didn't happen (from what i just found on the web)
[02:49] <LIIT> Thx for trying :-)
[02:50] <dverweire> your welcome. sorry i couldn't come through for ya. at least you got chrome though!
[02:50] <LIIT> yeah, no need for chromium any more :-)
[02:50] <dverweire> oh another question, what video card do you have? and are you using vendor supplied drivers?
[02:51] <LIIT> Some kind of Nvidia - just installed kubuntu 10.04 - haven't installed any drivers myself
[02:52] <dverweire> ok... how familiar are you with this linux stuff?
[02:52] <LIIT> ran Gentoo a few years back - I'm not that much into stuff, but not afraid to try stuff. I can find my way around the terminal editing stuff and compiling, etc - but not a lot more than that
[02:54] <dverweire> ok. that's cool enough. go to your package manager and make sure that nvidia-glx is installed
[02:54] <LIIT> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:54] <dverweire> if you have to choose something more specific you may need to use nvidia-glx-185
[02:55] <LIIT> (from using apt-get - prefer staying in the terminal if possible)
[02:55] <dverweire> sure
[02:55] <LIIT> trying 185
[02:55] <dverweire> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
[02:55] <LIIT> installing now
[02:56] <dverweire> you'll probably have to restart X at some poitn and you should run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[02:57] <dverweire> (if it doesn't do it automatically)
[02:57] <LIIT> after restaring X I assume
[02:57] <dverweire> i'd say: install driver -> run nvidia-xconfig -> restart x
[02:57] <LIIT> roger
[02:57] <dverweire> make sure you backup your x config
[02:58] <dverweire> nvidia-xconfig will create a backup for you but better safe than sorry. :)
[02:58] <LIIT> brb
[02:58] <dverweire> this should get you better usage of your gpu.
[03:01] <kdk> wow, font-size/buttons etc just got huge
[03:04] <LIIT_> dverweire: where do I change the system font-size ?
[03:09] <rackIT> LIIT_:settings>system settings>>apperance>fonts
[03:12] <LIIT_> rackIT: that helped, thx :-)
[03:19] <sehven_> can anyone help me with installing compiz fusion?
[03:20] <sehven_> or direct me to the updated tutorial or guide about it
[03:23] <Dragnslcr> I don't think compiz works all that well with KDE
[03:23] <Dragnslcr> KDE has its own compositing in kwin
[03:30] <johnshoot5> hello, when partitioning a hard disk for a new install is home primary or logical and is it at begining or end?
[03:31] <johnshoot5> quit
[03:31] <johnshoot5> #quit
[04:26] <m_tadeu> how do I get the sound osd to work?
[06:59] <shadowm_kubuntu> hi, I've just installed kubuntu in a virtual machine and I don't really need automatic package updates since I'm just trying it out (besides, I have a download bandwidth limit). What's the easiest/most appropriate way to disable those?
[08:46] <poyntz> if I want to edit the vga value in grub.conf what's the best way to do it?
[08:54] <ubuntistas> I have multi-OS. How do I set ubuntu as the default OS if I don't press any key in 5 seconds at startup? Now win7 is the default and timer gives me 10 seconds.
[08:55] <|GaiJin|> Why does my Iphone mount and connect automatically in Ubuntu 10.04 but not in Kubuntu?
[09:20] <Optimus55> how do i check disk free space in kubuntu?
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> in konsole   df -h
[09:27] <siegie> 7
[09:28] <well_laid_lawn> 6
[09:55] <nobarking> hi looking for a color picker app in kubuntu
[09:55] <nobarking> something with a color wheel
[10:03] <kempersound_> 2009
[10:38] <slow-motion> hi
[12:20] <oal> Will Kubuntu get a 4.5 update of KDE tomorrow?
[12:21] <James147> oal: might not be tomorrow... but soon :)
[12:22] <James147> oal: http://www.kubuntu.org/news  will tell you when its out
[12:25] <oal> James147, so I don't have to wait for 10.10?
[12:25] <EagleScreen> oal: KDE 4.5 will come with Kubuntu 10.10 on October
[12:25] <James147> oal: not if you dont might enabling the backport ppa
[12:25] <oal> Ok
[12:26] <oal> So basically I could go ahead compiling it myself now, and get it immediately :)
[12:26] <EagleScreen> oal: there are extra-oficial repositories with KDE 4.5, and you can use them, but dont cry if something become broken after installing KDE 4.5 from it
[12:26] <oal> I'm interested in trying the tiling window system
[12:26] <James147> oal: ^^ you could... or wait a couple of days... RC2 is also availble from the beta ppa
[12:27] <James147> oal: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5-beta-2
[12:27] <James147> oal: ^^ sorry ment http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45-rc-2
[12:27] <James147> (not that it makes much difference :)  )
[12:27] <oal> Hehe, thanks!
[12:28] <James147> oal: keep in mind you also will need the ppa:/kubuntu-ppa/backports ppa inorder to get the fianl release
[12:28] <James147> (or backport... cant quite remember :D  )
[12:29]  * oal is just compiling it :)
[12:29] <EagleScreen> olé
[12:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys where would be the best place to discuss plasma desktop issues on lucid?
[12:35] <James147> eagles0513875: here if its lucid related or #plasma
[12:35] <eagles0513875> James147: im nost sure what it is
[12:35] <eagles0513875> after a while of leaving my pc on plasma starts to crash
[12:36] <eagles0513875> icons start disappearing and if i kill plasma-desktop and restart it via commandline it seems to fix the problem
[12:36] <James147> eagles0513875: 4.4.x?
[12:36] <eagles0513875> James147: kde 4.4.2
[12:36] <eagles0513875> i know kde 4.4.5 is out am i right James147`
[12:37] <James147> hmm, dont remember seeing that issue :S ... possibally a config problem (or plasmoid missbehaving?) you could create a new user and see if it happens on them
[12:37] <James147> ^^ if it does them its most likly a #plasma issue
[12:38] <eagles0513875> my other issue got resolved which was my video driver crashing
[12:38] <eagles0513875> i asked in ubuntu-x and installed the newer driver from their repo
[12:38] <eagles0513875> where can i get kde 4.4.5 from
[12:39] <James147> eagles0513875: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.4.4  ^^ not sure if it has 4.4.5 but if it does then it will be in that ppa non the less
[12:39] <eagles0513875> humm ok
[12:39] <eagles0513875> James147: im starting to wonder if my issue has to do with kde
[12:40] <James147> eagles0513875: also, if you care at all kde 4.5 is due to be released today (so kubuntu packages will follow in a couple of days)
[12:40] <eagles0513875> humm
[12:40] <eagles0513875> that i think is what i was thinking of
[12:40] <eagles0513875> is 4.5 in a ppa somewhere
[12:41] <James147> 4.5 RC2 is, (4.5 isnt released yet so it wont be)
[12:41] <James147> eagles0513875: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45-rc-2   note that for final you probally also want the backports ppa
[12:42] <James147> eagles0513875: (ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports)
[12:42] <eagles0513875> kool
[13:00] <TaHaNoM> Buenas
[13:00] <TaHaNoM> tengo un problemita
[13:00] <TaHaNoM> que paso con al autocompletado de apti<tab> ins<ta> opess<tab> no me funciona
[13:01] <well_laid_lawn> is that spanish?
[13:01] <well_laid_lawn> !es
[13:02] <TaHaNoM> hi there
[13:03] <well_laid_lawn> !hi
[13:03] <TaHaNoM> i cant to autocomplete using komodo, somethings like apti<tab> inst<tab> php<tab><tab>
[13:03] <TaHaNoM> it inst work
[13:03] <dcorbin_work> A recent update has changed the way ALT-TAB works where it now is very "flashy".  Is there an option to return it to the old way where it just shows a row of icons in the middle of the screen?
[13:04] <James147> dcorbin_work: system settings > desktop > desktop effects
[13:05] <TaHaNoM> sorry! is not komodo, is using kubuntu sosrry
[13:05] <TaHaNoM> i cant to autocomplete un "konsole" the tab doesnt work well
[13:11] <well_laid_lawn> TaHaNoM: you could try in konsole   sudo dpkg-reconfigure bash-completion
[13:12] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: aptitude, done, but inst<tab> wont
[13:14] <well_laid_lawn> TaHaNoM: aptitude is different to dpkg - when did aptitude come into it?
[13:15] <TaHaNoM> yeah, but yesterdar! in ubuntu example: apti<tab> inst<tab> php<tab>  work fine! today (New installation) it doesnt work
[13:16] <well_laid_lawn> and the above command would have at least given a readon why or made things work
[13:17] <well_laid_lawn> s/readon/reason/
[13:18] <TaHaNoM> i would like than it works, because is toooo usefull
[13:19] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[13:20] <TaHaNoM> yeah
[13:20] <TaHaNoM> is too usefull and quickly
[13:21] <well_laid_lawn> makes using the terminal as a file manager so easy here
[13:21] <blip99> hi all, I run Kubuntu 10.4 and want to get the latest KDE4.5 when it's released.  Will it be in the repos, if not is it a good idea to install it myself from source ?
[13:22] <well_laid_lawn> !ppq
[13:22] <James147> blip99: it wont be in the default repors, but wil should end up in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[13:22] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[13:22] <well_laid_lawn> !ppa
[13:24] <blip99> well_laid_lawn, James147:  sounds good.  thanks
[13:25] <James147> blip99: it will be anounced with instructions on www.kubuntu.org/news
[13:25] <James147> when its ready :) ^^
[13:26] <blip99> James147: I just got myself a new homepage ;)
[13:26] <well_laid_lawn> that's a nice link thnx :]
[13:27] <James147> :)
[13:27] <well_laid_lawn> if ppl read topics that would be a good one to have in there ,,,
[13:27] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: look, this is :D solved :D http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/28/turn-on-bash-smart-completion/
[13:27] <James147> well_laid_lawn: it is partly :) just direct links to pages from the above ^^
[13:28] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: do this, close and open you terminal, and take a surprise xD
[13:28] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[13:28] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: apt<tab> inst<tab> phpmy<tab>
[13:28] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: full completion :D
[13:30] <well_laid_lawn> TaHaNoM: excellent :D
[13:32] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: ;( yeah try unrar xD
[13:32] <well_laid_lawn> TaHaNoM: unrar works fine here
[13:33] <well_laid_lawn> unrar e /rath
[13:33] <TaHaNoM> well_laid_lawn: completion xD
[13:33] <TaHaNoM> the 'e' can be completed xD
[13:40] <blip99> I'm trying to decide if I should have enable fancy effects on my laptop with a Quadro FX880M card, I want some balance between effects and speed/battery usage etc..    I've tried Compiz fusion as well as built-in KDE4 Compositing and I don't see any performance difference.    Anyone been able to tell which is lighter ?
[13:40] <blip99> I tested with default plugins/options on both (except added wobbly windows on compiz)
[13:41] <jussi> blip99: Id expect the Kwin one to be lighter, as its made for kde4, but Im not certain at all, just a guess.
[13:42] <James147> blip99: I think it depends more on what effects you have enabled, ones that wakeup your gpu more often are going to draing your battery more :)
[13:44] <blip99> my gpu barely sleeps, nvidia's nice driver keeps it running at full clock speeds (max performance mode) 3/4 of the time :)    Even with barely anything happening
[13:47] <jwc44> 안녕하세요
[13:48] <jwc44> hi
[13:49] <well_laid_lawn> blip99: you should look into cpufreqd
[13:49] <well_laid_lawn> !info cpufreqd
[13:49] <blip99> well_laid_lawn: hmm I doubt that can scale nvidia clock
[13:49] <well_laid_lawn> prob not
[13:51] <jwc44> Cairo Dock on Kubuntu you are using, but how to use kmenu
[13:52] <jwc44> please!
[13:54] <jwc44> 안녕하세요
[13:55] <James147> jwc44: how to use the kmenu widget in cairo dock? not sure thats possible since i doupt cario knows what plasma widgets are :S
[13:58] <jwc44> How to use in Kubuntu kmenu
[13:58] <jwc44> Cairo-dock for Kubuntu How to use the kmenu
[16:06] <Shdwdrgn> hi folks.  I run kde3 with packages from launchpad, but since upgrading to lucid last week, I've not been able to fix kde-guidance-kde3.  Any ideas?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> howdy
[17:12] <sheytan> Hi there
[17:12] <sheytan> i'm looking for someone with clean KDE setup
[17:13] <sheytan> and desktop effects turned on
[17:13] <sheytan> would be cool to have 4.5
[17:56] <BluesKaj> sheytan, I have kde 4.5...what's your question?
[17:58] <sheytan> BluesKaj i need some screenshot :)
[17:58] <sheytan> if you're interested, i send you a list :D
[18:05] <BluesKaj> sheytan, depends on your themes
[18:06] <sheytan> BluesKaj, i found a way to make that shots for me, but thanks anyway :)
[18:08] <BluesKaj> ok, sheytan
[18:30] <vinnie_> where can i set the monitor to shut down?
[18:54] <DarthFrog> vinnie_: I'd try System Settings/Power Management.
[19:21] <viktor85a> Всем привет
[19:28] <ugur> Hi all I cannot dual boot with Windows xp after installing kubuntu lucid
[20:05] <derdon> what is the best way of removing a plugged-in camera safely?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> derdon, it's not windows , just close the app you're using to transfer the pics or video , if any and unplug
[20:08] <DarthFrog> derdon: Click on the icon in the system tray and then press the Eject button on the pop-up screen.  I think the icon looks like the USB icon.
[20:08] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Not a good idea if the device has a file system on it.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, never had a problem as long as there was no actitvity
[20:09] <derdon> DarthFrog: it doesn't have an eject button
[20:10] <Trav> does anyone know why when I try to go in to the gui using xstart I loose my keyboard and my video goes away?
[20:10] <DarthFrog> derdon: If the device is mounted, yes it will.
[20:11] <derdon> DarthFrog: it will what?
[20:11] <DarthFrog> derdon: It looks like a small circle with a solid up arrow in it.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> Trav, do you mean startx?
[20:11] <DarthFrog> derdon: The eject button.
[20:11] <Trav> yes
[20:11] <derdon> DarthFrog: I know how it should look like ;)
[20:11] <derdon> DarthFrog: my two partitions on the external hard drive have this icon
[20:11] <derdon> DarthFrog: but not the camera
[20:12] <derdon> DarthFrog: could it be that it was unmounted automatically?
[20:12] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: True.  If all the cached writes have been written to the disk, you'll probably get away with it.  But unmounting properly ensures that they have been.
[20:13] <DarthFrog> derdon: Type "mount" from a Konsole window and see if it is still mounted.
[20:13] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I've looked for the eject option as you mentioned, but with some equipment thered oesn't seem to be such an option.
[20:13] <DarthFrog> Hmm, everything that has a file system upon it has given me the eject icon.
[20:13] <DarthFrog> If it is mounted, that is.
[20:14] <BluesKaj> Trav, why are you using startx  , cli ?
[20:14] <derdon> DarthFrog: ok, appearently, KDigiKam unmounts it automatically
[20:14] <derdon> a bit strange, though
[20:14] <DarthFrog> derdon: Good to know, thanks.
[20:15] <Trav> because when it was going to the desktop gui automaticaly I also lost video and my keyboard
[20:16] <Trav> I am using 9.10 and I just did a bug fix system has been up for a while with no problems before this
[20:18] <Trav> when I go to recovery menu it does not let me do anything like the keboard is not there
[20:19] <Trav> But when I got do a Ctrl-Alt-f2 it changes the screen
[20:19] <Trav> .
[20:20] <BluesKaj> Trav, ctrl+alt+f2 should bring up a tty shell
[20:21] <Riddell> ** testers needed for 4.5.0 on lucid
[20:22] <James147> Riddell: I am up for it :)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> trav, have you tried systemsettings/Country region & language/keyboard layout/enable keyboard layout/keyboard model option ?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> Riddell, already running 4.5 :)
[20:23] <Riddell> BluesKaj: from where?
[20:23] <DarthFrog> Riddell: I"m running RC2
[20:23] <DarthFrog> Is this the Released Version?
[20:23] <Riddell> DarthFrog: do you want to test final?
[20:23] <DarthFrog> Yes!
[20:24] <Trav> right for tty shell
[20:24] <BluesKaj> Riddell, oops sorry , 4.4.5 here
[20:24] <Trav> how do I get to the keyboard layout setings?
[20:24] <Trav> from a shell
[20:25] <BluesKaj> you need X and the desktop for the kmenu/system settings
[20:26] <Riddell> BluesKaj: do you want to test 4.5 final?
[20:27] <gorgonizer> Riddell: I am willing to test :)
[20:27] <BluesKaj> Riddell, sure , where to get it?
[20:30] <ikonia> what's the kde gksudo command ?
[20:30] <ikonia> I can't remember it
[20:31] <Pici> kdesudo?
[20:31] <ikonia> is it ?
[20:31] <Pici> uh.
[20:31] <ikonia> I had that in my head, but I don't know
[20:31] <James147> kdesudo yes
[20:31] <ikonia> lets find out
[20:31] <Pici> James147: thanks
[20:31] <no_u0> im  curious to find errors since i cannot open the super user konsole from the gui. the normal konsole opens fine. but when i click the super user konsole, the icon just bounces but doesnt open
[20:31] <ikonia> no_u0: can you open a terminal and do kdesudo $command_to_open_your_shell
[20:31] <ikonia> James147: Pici thanks
[20:32] <no_u0> ikonia: not sure what the command is
[20:32] <ikonia> no_u0: what exactly are you trying to open
[20:32] <no_u0> the super user konsole
[20:33] <ikonia> ok, so "kdesudo konsole"
[20:33] <James147> no_u0: do you really want to run konsole as root? or open a session as root?
[20:33] <ikonia> do you get any errors/warnings ?
[20:33] <ikonia> James147: a better question
[20:34] <James147> no_u0: most the time if you need to run commands as root just open konsole as a user and type "sudo COMMAND"   or if you want to log in as root "sudo -i" << it is not advised to do this
[20:34] <no_u0> James147: i just want to be able to run things without restriction
[20:34] <no_u0> the regular konsole can get annoying that way
[20:34] <James147> no_u0: i still se no reason to launch konsole as root ^^ due to the above
[20:35] <no_u0> it opens the super user console fine from another konsole
[20:35] <no_u0> yea i guess
[20:35] <no_u0> it just saves typing sudo everytie
[20:35] <no_u0> time*
[20:36] <James147> no_u0: if you really want to not type sudo all the time, dont run konsole as root, just type "sudo -i" inside konsole... although its not advised to do that
[20:36] <no_u0> ok
[20:48] <joe____> hello everybody
[20:49] <joe____> I just installed Kubuntu, I am a quite experienced Linux user, I used other distros before
[20:50] <joe____> I wanted to give a suggestion, but I don't know which one is the appropriate channel
[20:50] <maco> hi
[20:50] <joe____> hi
[20:50] <maco> #kubuntu-devel tends to be a good place to discuss ideas
[20:50] <joe____> ok thanks
[20:51] <joe____> it's not a very "development" suggestion, anyways
[20:52] <joe____> I just think that it's not a good idea to ship default Kubuntu without pulseaudio
[20:52] <joe____> I am quite experienced so I had no problems installing it, but an average user will just have no audio in Firefox, in VLC and other stuff
[20:53] <joe____> I hope my consideration can be of any help, thanks for listening
[20:53] <maco> joe____: 10.10 will include pulseaudio
[20:54] <joe____> maco: oh, ok that's nice!
[20:54] <maco> joe____: the reason it didnt earlier was that some versions of qt phonon handled it poorly. thats been fixed though (i never had problems with it, but some folks did)
[20:55] <joe____> maco: oh, I see... I was using Fedora before and I think that you are right, if I remember correctly the Fedora people worked to let pulseaudio work on KDE, and it was just for Fedora
[20:55] <maco> joe____: well, lennart works for red hat ;-)
[20:56] <maco> but it was actually some bugginess in qt, i think. qt 4.6 is the first to handle it well, iirc
[20:56] <joe____> maco: I see... that's good, then! if 10.10 will have pulseaudio then my "work" here is done! lol
[20:57] <joe____> I go back and install the missing stuff for my fresh kubuntu installation, bye all and thanks for your time
[20:58] <joe____> bye maco
[20:58] <maco> bye
[20:59] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is a mixed bag for those with onboard audio
[21:00] <maco> BluesKaj:quite a lot of the underlying alsa bugs have been beaten into submission though ;-)
[21:03] <BluesKaj> maco, i have 3 kubuntu machines with various soundcards and alsa isn't responsible for the audio probs, as soon as I dump PA, the audio works fine after setting up alsamixer properly.
[21:04] <maco> BluesKaj: that doesnt make alsa not responsible
[21:05] <maco> BluesKaj: drivers should work in both polling and interrupt mode. some of them work well in one of those modes and fall over in the other. that often results in it looking like pulse is broken when its really the driver
[21:06]  * BluesKaj shrugs..run PA if you like , I'm merely telling you my personal experience and what I've come across with others ...PA isn't required on a lot of simple audio setups, cuz it's just another layer of processing
[21:07] <BluesKaj> polling or no
[21:07] <maco> its really hard to say "with onboard audio" too
[21:08] <maco> because thats *most* audio
[21:08] <maco> i mean, ALL laptops have onboard afaik, and most desktop mobos include onboard with only some higher end systems having an additional sound card added on
[21:09] <maco> but things only break in a minority of cases
[21:10] <frenchy> hello every one :)
[21:14] <frenchyboy> I have just a quick question, i am searching for a laptop with ultra long battery life (i.e mac bookpro) but i really want to use ubuntu for the os. does someone know a model that have the same performances ?
[21:16] <James147> frenchyboy: asus eee pc have a really long battery life and work great with [k]ubuntu, although might be a bit small
[21:16] <frenchyboy> jazzy_d: why do you need 96khz ???
[21:18] <frenchyboy> james147: yeah but they are pretty small, i think i will need 13" min ... and i really love the idea of 10+ battery ... if i wasn't loving kubuntu so much ...
[21:38] <chiiph> hi... does anybody knows how to solve the problem of apt not finding any basic package after a fresh installation?
[21:41] <well_laid_lawn> have you run an update?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> chiiph, open kpackagekit and enable canonical partners repositories as well as other sources , in the sources options
[21:42] <chiiph> BluesKaj: oks, I'll try that...
[21:42] <testerq> hello
[21:42] <James147> chiiph: first try running an update (via kpackagekit or by "sudo apt-get update"
[21:42] <chiiph> BluesKaj && well_laid_lawn: everything's enabled and updated...
[21:42] <chiiph> James147: ^^
[21:43] <James147> chiiph: not finding anything...?
[21:43] <testerq> how to register new user in some other channel????    for example "xxx-irc-channel"  ??  (for example)
[21:43] <chiiph> James147: well... no, git... vim... I don't... basic packages... none are there..
[21:45] <BluesKaj> chiiph, pastebin your sources.list
[21:46] <testerq> allllooooooooo!!!!!!!   guys!!     "/invite usernamexxx ???? "
[21:47] <testerq> anybody heart ??
[21:47] <well_laid_lawn> testerq: it depends on the other channel - you'll need to ask in there
[21:47] <testerq> anybody hear ??
[21:48] <testerq> well_laid_lawn NO
[21:48] <chiiph> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/NTkZt8NS
[21:48] <testerq> well_laid_lawn  I can not write in this channel
[21:48] <testerq> [00:46] [404] #cakephp Cannot send to channel
[21:48] <well_laid_lawn> testerq: you might need a registered nick
[21:48] <well_laid_lawn> !register
[21:49] <testerq> well_laid_lawn how???
[21:49] <testerq> well_laid_lawn  man --- faster please   tell me
[21:49] <well_laid_lawn> testerq: Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.  Use /msg NickServ help for a command listing.
[22:00] <well_laid_lawn> test999: go to this webpage for more help   http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:01] <test999> well_laid_lawn  NO MAN - tell me here
[22:01] <test999> well_laid_lawn do not run from problem - solve it
[22:01] <well_laid_lawn> you are on ignore
[22:02] <chiiph> well_laid_lawn: http://pastebin.com/7QHsg1w7
[22:03] <well_laid_lawn> k
[22:03] <|magic|> how do you change color of panel of kubuntu, i can put only theme
[22:03] <|magic|> chi ha kubuntu
[22:04] <James147> |magic|: you need to change the theme to change the colour... i think the aya theme works off the system palette
[22:04] <test999> well_laid_lawn   I register!
[22:04] <|magic|> James147: i understand
[22:04] <|magic|> : /
[22:05] <test999> well_laid_lawn     what is more?
[22:05] <test999> well_laid_lawn      how to login?
[22:05] <well_laid_lawn> chiiph: looks like the update fails with mismatched Hash Sums
[22:05] <|magic|> is a restriction on kubuntu: (
[22:05] <chiiph> well_laid_lawn: yep...
[22:06] <chiiph> well_laid_lawn: we are behind a proxy... could that be it?
[22:06] <James147> |magic|: its not a kubuntu restriction, its the way plasma themes work... aya is probally the theme you want, it will change to the colour of your windows
[22:08] <|magic|> ok
[22:08] <well_laid_lawn> chiiph: I never use a proxy but lots do so it should work - try a diff mirror to download from
[22:09] <|magic|> James147:  Can you show me how to do it, forgive me for not correct English
[22:09] <chiiph> well_laid_lawn: sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True <-- this solved it...
[22:09] <well_laid_lawn> woot!
[22:10] <James147> |magic|: system settings > appearance > ... umm Desktop Theme I think ... cant quite remember where on 4.4
[22:10] <James147> |magic|: then click the "get new themes" when you find it :)
[22:11] <|magic|> i iunderstand
[22:12] <|magic|> what do you use as KDE
[22:12] <|magic|> James147:
[22:16] <James147> on kde 4.5 now, they moved allot of the system settings stuff around so I cant remember where everything is :)
[22:17] <|magic|> ok
[22:20] <|magic|> kubuntu is good but delicate
[22:21] <BluesKaj> chiiph, well_laid_lawn is correct, you should change your server source to Main or USA....being behind a proxy can be difficult in my experience.
[22:22] <BluesKaj> bbiab ...the new kde test didn't go so well , so i have to relogin
[22:37] <Makuseru> Im having some problems using HDMI out. I have a HP G60 with an Nvidia 8200M graphics chipset. When i plut the hdmi cable into my tv the nvidia settings sees the tv and i can change settings and such, but the tv always says "no siginal." I've googled around and came across people saying the nvidia 8200 has a hdmi/dvi jumper that you have to move. But since i have the laptop version (the 8200M) i dont know if mine would have that
[22:37] <Makuseru> or not. Is it a case of that, or are there some setting/drivers i don't know about that i should to get hdmi working?
[22:39] <sithlord48> hey all, i have lucid w/ kde 4.4.5 with radeion driver and kcm for effects says they are not supported, but they are on and work. how can i get it to allow me to config the settings?
[23:19] <Guest89820> Im having some problems using HDMI out. I have a HP G60 with an Nvidia 8200M graphics chipset. When i plut the hdmi cable into my tv the nvidia settings sees the tv and i can change settings and such, but the tv always says "no siginal." I've googled around and came across people saying the nvidia 8200 has a hdmi/dvi jumper that you have to move. But since i have the laptop version (the 8200M) i dont know if mine would have
[23:19] <Guest89820> that or not. Is it a case of that, or are there some setting/drivers i don't know about that i should to get hdmi working?
[23:22] <sithlord48> Guest89820: do you have the vendors driver for the gfx card installed? if so you can try 'kdesudo nvidia-setting' to run the nvidia display control panel
[23:24] <Guest89820> sithlord48: I have the current driver going, and the nvidia settings see the tv and everything, but the tv says no input
[23:24] <sithlord48> oh i was just suggesting..
[23:25] <Guest89820> Appreciate it.
[23:25] <sithlord48> ok first off you did open the program w/ kdesudo , so your running as root.
[23:26] <sithlord48> secondly, be sure you have saved to xorg file  , and you also may have to restart X server
[23:29] <Guest89820> i didnt open it with sudo, and i did save the xorg
[23:35] <nuovodna> when will be kde 4.5.0 final release on kubuntu lucid ppa ?
[23:37] <roxy> my kopete w/ yahoo account just crashz. default from repo. fresh install. :<
[23:37] <bittin> Hello, anyone know if peppermint got an irc channel?
[23:37] <James147> nuovodna: kde 4.5 isnt out yet :) but the 4.5 packages have/are being built and tested now so they should be released about the same time kde 4.5 is, or at elast with a day or two
[23:38] <nuovodna> ok, thanks James147
[23:39] <James147> nuovodna: watch www.kubuntu.org/news  it willl be anounced there with insctuctions when it is availble
[23:41] <nuovodna> James147: thanks. do you know if the qt dbusmenu patched version will be uploaded on lucid ppa?
[23:41] <bittin> their website says its #PeppermintOS but thats empty :(
[23:42] <James147> nuovodna: dont know sorry
[23:42] <nuovodna> ok i ll ask to devel channel
[23:45] <bittin> thinking about installling that distro on my netbook
[23:46] <djustice> wtf pplz. kopete. busted yahoo. that cant be stock 4.4.5 release.
[23:46] <djustice> ill dig for a ppa...
[23:46] <djustice> mumblemumble..
[23:49] <djustice> zero useful ppaz. no working kopete/yahoo for kubuntu then.
[23:50] <djustice> and gyachi fails. weird server refusals. infinite popup dialogs..
[23:50] <djustice> awesome.
[23:50]  * djustice returns to #chakra-devel
[23:54] <stacasajac> ?
[23:54] <James147> stacasajac: ?
[23:56] <stacasajac> brasil???
[23:58] <James147> !br | sithlord48
[23:58] <James147> sithlord48: sorry, dam tab complete as ppl leave :S
[23:59] <poyntz> how to I get korganiser to work in lucid lynx without crashing?


[00:57] <jdeslip> Google Docs now uses the Ubuntu font :)
[00:57] <jdeslip> (or has the Ubuntu font as an option)
[00:59] <akk> Cool! I'm not getting it in the normal list ... how do I see other fonts? (It only shows me about 5.)
[01:00] <seidos> i haven't used google docs in awhile, i use gedit
[01:01] <seidos> does fixedsys count as an ubuntu font?
[01:01] <seidos> :|
[01:01] <akk> I only use google docs for a wiki we use at work.
[01:02] <pleia2> shows up for me in the list, there are about a dozen
[01:02] <pleia2> I didn't do anything special to make them show up
[01:03] <seidos> oooo FIOS
[01:04] <akk> Maybe it acts differently for domain-specific pages vs. regular google docs.
[01:04] <broder> no, i get it on a totally random doc
[01:05] <broder> maybe it's browser-specific?
[01:05] <pleia2> shows up in my @gmail and my hosted domain account, might take time to roll out to all their servers or something?
[01:06] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/bugs/771443 is the bug report about it, someone did some fast work :)
[01:06] <akk> Maybe so. I'll try it later in the week.
[01:07] <pleia2> (like narwhals on google maps!)
[01:08] <akk> narwhals on google maps?
[01:11] <jdeslip> Hmm, I thought this would be something Google would have to change...
[01:12] <jdeslip> That bug report makes it sound like Ubuntu was able to change something
[01:17] <pleia2> akk: for april fool's day if you put in canonical's london address in google maps you'd see a cartoo narwhal in the thames
[01:18] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah, it's a google thing, I think some folks at canonical are friendly with the UK googlers
[01:18] <pleia2> http://design.canonical.com/2011/04/01-narwhal-at-lambeth-bridge/
[01:21] <akk> Cute! Wow, talk about an easter egg not many people will see. :)
[02:49] <projectdp> anyone know about that amazon ec2 linux instance you can get?
[02:53] <erichammond> projectdp: Yes, Amazon provides their own Linux distro.
[02:54] <grantbow> seems you can google for "amazon ec2 linux free" and read up on AWS Free Usage Tier
[02:56] <grantbow> or go directly to aws.amazon.com/free
[02:58] <grantbow> erichammond: what their distro derived from?
[02:58] <grantbow> *is
[02:59] <erichammond> grantbow: As I understand it, Amazon Linux is based on CentOS
[03:00] <erichammond> At the beginning, Amazon's MapReduce instances were Debian, but I'm not sure if that's still true.
[03:01] <erichammond> The EC2 host OS used to be RedHat in the very early days.  No idea if that's still true.  I imagine they would have moved to CentOS at some point for cost savings.
[03:04] <grantbow> I thought I heard awhile back that a large % of cloud instances were Ubuntu based.
[03:06] <grantbow> http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/2010-the-year-of-ubuntus-rise/
[03:08] <grantbow> ah, market use is high despite what they run on the backend at aws.amazon.com
[03:08] <seidos> how many software engineers does it take to install a cloud OS?
[03:09] <seidos> 1, they can afford the hardware
[03:10] <projectdp> :)
[03:11] <grantbow> cute
[03:12] <projectdp> grantbow: yeah i've read about it a bit on the site, but i was looking for people who have used it
[03:12] <pleia2> projectdp: might also want to check this out if you have 55 minutes to burn: https://10.cloud.ubuntu.com/
[03:14] <projectdp> i'll consider it
[03:14] <projectdp> hehe
[03:14] <projectdp> oh wow :D
[03:14] <grantbow> pleia2: that's a free one hour instance?
[03:15] <pleia2> grantbow: yeah
[03:15] <pleia2> I read about it here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10941
[03:15] <grantbow> things like this back up the numbers cited in that blog post I just linked.
[03:21] <seidos> anyone in the mood for investigating a line of perl?
[03:24] <wiretapped> maybe :)
[03:26] <seidos> i'm trying to nest a foreach in an if statement, i think that isn't going to work
[03:28] <wiretapped> what is the if supposed to test?
[03:28] <wiretapped> nesting anything in anything ought to be possible, i mean, it's perl
[03:28] <wiretapped> not necessarily a good idea, though
[03:30] <seidos> here's the code
[03:30] <seidos> http://scsys.co.uk:8002/99719
[03:30] <seidos> line 210
[03:44] <wiretapped> seidos: why do you need a foreach there? can't you just join your array?
[03:45] <wiretapped> (forgive me if i misunderstand what you're trying to do, my perl is extremely rusty)
[03:50] <seidos> wiretapped: unfortunately no, i need the specific array element given syntactically from the chat room
[03:50] <seidos> wiretapped: there are 408 i think, i am trying to avoid coding it as 400+ if's or a switch
[03:52] <seidos> someone mentioned List:: i will have to investigate this
[04:00] <seidos> i'm going to grep my perl code see if i can find some List:: samples
[06:32] <Mike_H_> Hello hello! I have a question
[06:32] <Mike_H_> are there any LUGs in the vicinity of Irvine?
[06:33] <Mike_H_> Anyone around that would know?
[06:34] <seidos> i've heard someone mention "oc lug" Mike_H_
[06:35] <seidos> hey philipballew watt up?
[06:35] <Mike_H_> seidos: where do they meet out of, do you know?
[06:35] <Mike_H_> ah, found it
[06:35] <Mike_H_> CSU Fullerton apparently
[06:36] <seidos> ah, didn't know that
[06:36] <Mike_H_> http://www.oclug.org/
[06:36] <seidos> oc is kind of far from me
[06:36] <Mike_H_> I'm not from California, just trying to find a California person who is interested
[06:36] <Mike_H_> a group they can go to
[06:37] <philipballew> theres one in san diego!
[06:37] <Mike_H_> I'm not very Ubuntu/Linux oriented and I don't even think there is a group for those users where I'm from, it's a tad hick ;)
[06:37] <philipballew> where are you from?
[06:37] <philipballew> sedios whats up!
[06:37] <Mike_H_> Pensacola, FL
[06:38] <Mike_H_> and I just did a search, and there actually is one!
[06:38] <seidos> i met some of the guys here awhile ago at Chapman U
[06:38] <Mike_H_> http://www.pcolalug.org/
[06:38] <Mike_H_> heh
[06:38] <seidos> i don't know if they meet out there anymore though
[06:38] <Mike_H_> East Wright Street
[06:38] <Mike_H_> that's near our big gay bar
[06:39] <Mike_H_> lol.
[06:40] <seidos> O_O
[06:56] <sn9> philipballew: you mentioned something about Sacto?
[07:18] <seidos> sn9: i think he went afk
[07:18] <sn9> seems so
[07:46] <philipballew> sn9 what about sacto
[07:46] <sn9> i'm living there atm
[07:47] <philipballew> i will be living there in about 3 weeks for all summer.
[07:47] <sn9> what part?
[07:47] <philipballew> auburn
[07:47] <sn9> ah
[07:47] <philipballew> what about you?
[07:47] <sn9> natomas
[07:47] <philipballew> nice area. have spent lots of time there
[07:48] <sn9> nice? lol
[07:50] <philipballew> i think so. is arco gonna be gone there though i hear?
[07:51] <sn9> i heard something about the naming rights expiring, but no details
[07:51] <seidos> i just learned i met sn9 at SCaLE 2 years in a row
[07:51] <seidos> like 2 days ago ^_^
[07:52] <philipballew> besketball is loosing in populartiy
[07:52] <sn9> well, i was at 6x, 7x, 8x, and 9x
[07:52] <philipballew> but tell that to the mayor
[07:52] <seidos> i was at 8x and 9x
[07:52] <philipballew> i was at 9
[07:52] <philipballew> x
[07:53] <seidos> ah well i gotta' get ready for bed
[07:53] <seidos> good night all
[16:04] <seidos> dang, i think i just broke gedit pasting ~380 lines
[16:04] <seidos> now when i open the file gedit spikes to 100% cpu
[16:04] <seidos> i guess i'm going back to vim
[16:07] <seidos> ah, i see why
[17:03] <MarkDude> Embedded Systems Conference Silicon Valley- registration closes April 28th   http://esc.eetimes.com/siliconvalley/
[17:04] <MarkDude> WOZ will be there on Tuesday http://esc.eetimes.com/siliconvalley/siliconvalley/keynotes
[17:04] <MarkDude> EXPO, keynotes, and teardowns are FREE
[17:08] <akk> Cool, thanks.
[17:10]  * MarkDude plans on seeing the Woz- and getting the SWAG bag - http://esc.eetimes.com/siliconvalley/technology_tote
[17:11] <MarkDude> 40 ft T-Rex also
[17:11] <seidos> ^_^
[17:11] <MarkDude> hey seidos
[17:11] <seidos> hey MarkDude
[17:11] <MarkDude> Dinosaurs and a famous nerd - Im there
[17:11] <seidos> i need to call my dad about visiting SF again
[17:11] <akk> That looks cool, MarkDude -- thanks for the tip :)
[17:12] <seidos> it's either drive up there, or get stuff shipped to me
[17:12] <MarkDude> Well Chris showed me the link- I had to change some plans
[17:12] <seidos> though, to be honest i'm not sure how much use i'll get out of my suit and my tools, but i guess it's good to have them just in case
[17:13] <seidos> today is a Crashspace event at the Boys and Girls club in Long Beach at 6pm
[17:14] <seidos> i'm going to bring an old dvd player, and see if the kids want to try to imagine and draw what's inside, then open it up so they can see
[17:15] <akk> MarkDude: Yeah, I want to see the dinosaur.
[17:16] <MarkDude> akk the tie-in they have with the dino makes sense
[17:16] <MarkDude> seidos, I have done the same with my nephew
[17:16] <akk> What's the tie-in? Aside from "dinosaurs are cool and everybody wants to see it" which admittedly is enough for me. :)
[17:17] <seidos> MarkDude: i haven't.  my nephews think i'm a loon.  surprise surprise.
[17:17] <seidos> they would rather play video games than talk to me T_T
[17:17] <MarkDude> We took a battery and some switches and made the tray  move
[17:17] <MarkDude> well my nephew KNOWS I am loonie- but he still like making stuff that moves and makes noises
[17:18] <seidos> yeah, they don't seem to be into that
[17:18] <MarkDude> these kids nowadays with their music, clothes, etc
[17:19] <MarkDude> In my day....
[17:19] <seidos> my other nephew also had a lot of resistance to stuff i tried to show him.  but i never had an old dvd player then.
[17:19] <MarkDude> Tape players and VCRs also have many moving gears and belts
[17:20] <seidos> he was more kinesthetically oriented.  he has a learning disability.  i got him into skateboard a little, but he never wanted to practice by himself
[17:20] <seidos> i dunno, skateboarding probably wasn't his thing, which i don't blame him for
[17:20] <akk> I haven't had much luck getting kids to "imagine what's inside" even with software, e.g. "What are some of the things this program would need to do?" before showing them how it works.
[17:20] <seidos> it's not really mine either
[17:21] <seidos> it's just an excuse to draw and have fun
[17:21] <seidos> *maybe* get them curious enough about it to investigate for themselves
[17:21] <seidos> and, i have no other ideas :)
[17:21] <seidos> i got lucky with the dvd player, somebody left it outside
[17:21] <akk> I was just at a meeting last night planning this year's GetSET (tech camp for girls) and advocating for a PC dissection workshop.
[17:22] <akk> Get them to take computers apart and see there's nothing magic inside, and all they need is a screwdriver.
[17:22] <seidos> i think hardware is more fun in the beginning, less reading, more hands on
[17:22] <akk> A screwdriver and (more important) not being afraid of it.
[17:22] <sn9> i was taking stereos apart that way at the age of 3 despite people trying to get me to stop, and it never occurred to me not to
[17:23] <akk> They have a "build a radio" workshop already, which I guess works pretty well
[17:23] <seidos> i think i was still pooping my diapers at 3
[17:23] <akk> but when I see that on the list, I always wonder how many high school girls actually care about radios
[17:23] <seidos> i dunno, i don't really remember O_O
[17:23] <sn9> seidos: i was also
[17:23] <akk> and if something with blinking LEDs might be more fun for them.
[17:24] <seidos> haha, that is an awesome image sn9
[17:24] <sn9> hey, you brought it up
[17:24]  * seidos mumbles lousy miniature humans and their cuteness
[17:24] <seidos> i'm not judging, it could be an awesome cartoon
[17:25]  * seidos laughs
[17:25] <seidos> it's like "Fantastic Max"
[17:25] <seidos> "Fantastic sn9"
[17:25] <sn9> not exactly "Dexter's Lab"
[17:25] <seidos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZJfknWVIgY
[17:26] <seidos> wow, this was cooler when i was ~10
[17:27] <MarkDude> akk - have you read Cathy's - the unscary screwdriver?
[17:27] <seidos> the LED comment reminded me of this "Dominoux" thing i heard about
[17:28] <seidos> i've never been that into LEDs, except the LED flashlight i had.
[17:28] <seidos> i used to work with an EE guy that loved them though
[17:31] <akk> MarkDude: I have -- awesome article, it's always in the back of my mind thinking of these girls.
[17:31] <MarkDude> Me too
[17:31] <akk> Every girl should be lucky enough to have a mom like Cathy.
[17:32]  * MarkDude agrees
[17:32] <sn9> not enough luck to go around, alas
[17:33] <MarkDude> My niece is still wearing diapers- I plan to get her involved soon- as does her brother- he is 5
[17:33] <akk> One of the things I was telling them last night was how "Unlocking the Clubhouse" found so many girls who said they'd been admonished for trying to take apart the family computer
[17:33] <akk> ... when their brothers were encouraged to.
[17:35] <MarkDude> All of that stuff still seems weird to me- when I went to *Im ok - your ok * preschool- we were told girls can do stuff like this - just as well as boys
[17:36]  * MarkDude grew up very naive
[17:37]  * MarkDude wants to take the process FreeGeek uses for teaching computers- nd make a lesson or two- under Creative Commons
[17:39] <akk> I grew up naive too, because my parents told me that (girls can do anything boys can) and so if anybody else told me different I just didn't pay attention.
[17:41] <akk> Hmm, is there a site that collects lessons like that? How to teach people to take computers apart, to write a python program, to take a tape player apart etc.
[17:41] <akk> I guess there are probably too many such lessons and the list would be too long.
[17:41] <pleia2> there's http://p2pu.org/
[17:42] <akk> oh, yeah, heard about that a while back but it didn't have much. Now it's looking more promising
[17:42] <pleia2> jledbetter has been doing some stuff there
[17:42] <pleia2> (that's how I learned about it)
[17:42] <akk> though not really what Mark and I were talking about, guidelines for presenting an in-person class to kids or non-techie adults
[17:43] <pleia2> yeah
[17:43] <akk> it looks like it's more for semi-geeks to learn new software tech online
[17:43] <akk> (which is a good goal too)
[17:43] <pleia2> or Potable Water Treatment!
[17:44] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck and I are relaunching ubuntu-learning, which we'll be crafting some ubuntu courses for
[17:45] <pleia2> (one of which I hope to present at one of MarkDude's things someday)
[17:45] <akk> pleia2: GetSET has one workshop that includes water filtration (I forget what the rest of the session is, either solar oven or wave physics)
[17:45]  * akk would love to hear pleia2's presentation on water treatment
[17:46] <pleia2> haha, nah, that's just one of the non-programming p2pu.org classes :)
[17:47] <seidos> sn9: luck is so random, it's probably best to depend on right action anyway
[17:47] <seidos> "random"
[17:47] <seidos> i need to go outside
[17:49] <MarkDude> pleia2, apparently the internets are now reliable at Saxbys- it has been a real headache to tell folks to use City Halls wifi
[17:49] <pleia2> MarkDude: oh, good!
[17:49] <MarkDude> The WC library is super shiny new- and has state of the art accommodations.
[17:50]  * MarkDude is sorting out what days to do a release prty/geeknic
[17:50] <pleia2> I'm slightly concerned about Unity WRT writing Ubuntu materials
[17:50] <pleia2> I mostly grok gnome even though I don't use it, Unity is lost on me
[17:51] <MarkDude> Unity will rock for next release, IMHO
[17:51] <MarkDude> especially with a touchscreen- that is where the magic comes in
[17:52] <pleia2> if only you could use an onscreen keyboard to search the applications
[17:53] <pleia2> Mark says "11.04 was designed for desktops, not tablets"
[17:53] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/739812 makes me sad sad pleia2
[17:55] <seidos> i use docky, i am hesitant to use unity
[17:55] <seidos> i really thought it would have been easier to get used to the interface, but it really wasn't
[17:56] <seidos> i also noticed that i would prefer to just use a terminal to the synapse like omni search bar
[17:58] <akk> pleia2: I'm finding that even on android there are a lot of problems with using the soft keyboard. Soft keyboards don't get no respect!
[17:59] <pleia2> I sometimes had trouble with the onscreen keyboard on my g1, but my nexus one does fine (all it has is onscreen keyboard, sensitivity is better)
[17:59] <pleia2> I still prefer to just tether to my netbook if I have to type much though :) I hate onscreen keyboards
[18:00] <akk> The problem with it comes with javascript -- you can't implement things like autocomplete because onkey events don't fire.
[18:00] <pleia2> ah, yeah
[18:00] <seidos> pleia2: interesting link
[18:00] <akk> And you can't do anything with timeouts, because timeouts don't fire if the onscreen keyboard is visible
[18:00] <seidos> oh yeah, i wanted to assign myself a bug in launchpad, but apparently you have to be a member of a group to do that
[18:00] <akk> (they just batch up and then all fire at once when you dismiss the keyboard, whose great idea was that?)
[18:01] <seidos> are there even any developers using ubuntu on tablets?
[18:02] <seidos> i wonder what tablet-pc cm-t is using
[18:07] <jdeslip> pleia2: Even if the on-screen keyboard issue is solved, Ubuntu on tablets is going to be a rough experience at best.
[18:08] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah, but the on-screen issue is a bit of a deal killer
[18:09] <jdeslip> For it to really compete with the Android/iOS experience they pretty much need to write things from scratch
[18:09] <jdeslip> Like the close minimize maximize buttons on windows for example
[18:09] <MarkDude> The keyboard thing has had some hassles in a few areas for Unity
[18:10] <jdeslip> or even the idea of windows and the desktop don't make much sense on tablet.
[18:10] <jdeslip> much better if windows are just always full screen
[18:11] <jdeslip> And basically no piece of software for Ubuntu is optimized in any way for touch :/
[18:11] <akk> Depends on the tablet. Fullscreen doesn't make so much sense on a 10" tablet, but certainly does on a 5".
[18:13] <seidos> apparently someone is using something called cellwriter jdeslip
[18:14] <seidos> does anyone here even have a tablet?  i remember drew got an older toshiba that seemed quite nice
[18:14] <jdeslip> Don't get me wrong, I think you can put Ubuntu on a tablet and people will buy it / use it.  But, you gotta "really" love Ubuntu to justify using it compared to Android/iOS.  And the differential between those and Ubuntu is growing, not shrinking with time :/
[18:14] <akk> I have a 5" android tablet, but that's not the sort of hardware anyone is targeting right now.
[18:15] <jdeslip> seidos: I have a 10" in Android tablet.  And used to have a thinkpad "tablet" with Ubuntu back in the day.
[18:15] <akk> Agree with jdeslip. Ubuntu on tablets might compete with things like meego, where there aren't many apps yet.
[18:15] <jdeslip> There was one pdf highlighting/annotating app that was good for Ubuntu back then.
[18:15] <seidos> it could compete, but hardware vendors would have to get behind it
[18:15] <seidos> it's a hardware problem :)
[18:15] <jdeslip> No, it is a software problem.
[18:16] <seidos> i was being dopey, it's both
[18:16] <jdeslip> You can put Ubuntu on tablets now... The experience sucks
[18:16] <akk> app selection is definitely part of the problem, even if hardware drivers work flawlessly
[18:17] <seidos> what i'm saying is if there is no specific tablet targeted for ubuntu, it is pretty much pointless working on the code
[18:17] <akk> Personally I'd prefer something as flexible as ubuntu, but that's only because I'm a dev and can write my own apps if I need to. :)
[18:17] <akk> and don't care about commercial apps and DRM content and such
[18:17] <jdeslip> akk: Ya, I think a Meego like effort would really be necessary... But, I don't see Ubuntu doing that.  And Meego itself is basically dead.  But, you basically need to completely redo the entire interface ontop of X.
[18:17] <seidos> the only reason i'd get a tablet is if i could use it to draw and take notes...otherwise, notebook is a better tool
[18:19] <akk> jdeslip: There hasn't been anywhere near enough effort put into meego, and probably never will be. Ubuntu could equal that pretty easily with the momentum and devs it already has.
[18:19] <akk> But that wouldn't get it anywhere near android/ios.
[18:20] <akk> I got my tablet for 1. feed reading 2. ebook reading 3. mapping (but I still haven't found an offline mapping app that works)
[18:20] <akk> It's definitely not a replacement for a computer with a keyboard.
[18:21] <seidos> yeah, i can see how leisurely reading might work
[18:21] <seidos> i mean, i can basically do all that with a notebook, except i can't recline
[18:22] <seidos> i'm sure it's only a matter of time though before a drawing killerapp comes out for tablets
[18:22] <akk> A notebook is much much (much) bigger to carry around, takes up a lot of desk space and can't be held that easily in a lot of positions.
[18:22] <jdeslip> Eee pad transformer might be a good replacement: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/asus-eee-pad-transformer-goes-on-sale-in-us-immediately-sells-o/
[18:22] <seidos> i have a 13"
[18:22] <seidos> i'm not sure i would even call a 17" a "notebook" :|
[18:23] <akk> I have an 11". I carry it if I know for sure I'm going somewhere where I'm going to need a computer.
[18:23] <akk> I don't carry it casually, when I'm going to the supermarket or whatever.
[18:23] <seidos> i've never needed a computer @ the supermarket
[18:23] <seidos> i'm very "low tech"
[18:23] <akk> It's great to have an e-reader when you're standing in a long line.
[18:24] <seidos> the lines aren't that long here
[18:24] <akk> Or if you have to wait for something (a bus, someone who's gone to check on something and will be back in a few minutes)
[18:24] <seidos> *and* i frequently don't go shopping alone
[18:24] <akk> You never ever have to stand in a long line?
[18:24] <akk> Wow, I want that life.
[18:25] <seidos> i never said i have never stood in a long line
[18:25] <seidos> the longest lines are @ Disneyland
[18:25] <akk> Even going to Ubuntu Hours, I have to wait after ordering a coffee before it's ready.
[18:25] <akk> And sometimes in line to order it.
[18:25] <seidos> i bring a can of coke to ubuntu hours
[18:26] <seidos> i like cola more than coffee :|
[18:26] <akk> We meet in a coffeehouse -- we're using their space and their network, so it's only polite to order something.
[18:26] <akk> (obviously if you don't like anything they sell, that's different)
[18:26] <seidos> i bought a green tea @ a starbucks the other day, but there really wasn't a line
[18:26] <akk> Anyway, if you never have to wait for anything, ignore what I said. I find I do have to wait, and it's nice to have something to read during that time.
[18:27] <seidos> i even had time to talk to the guy at the counter a little
[18:28] <seidos> well, i do wait for things sometimes, it just usually isn't long enough to warrant whipping out a device
[18:28] <seidos> but maybe if i had a device i would
[18:48] <jdeslip> pleia2: How is Chrome-OS coming along these days on the CR-48?  It must be about ready to launch for real right?
[18:48] <sn9> cr-48?
[18:48] <pleia2> jdeslip: good good, lots of updates lately
[18:48]  * jdeslip wants to get my dad some sort of super-simple Chrome-OS netbook
[18:48] <jdeslip> pleia2: anything notable?
[18:49] <pleia2> jdeslip: not that I can tell, but I havne't looked very hard :)
[18:54] <MarkDude> "Ask the Ubuntu Community Manager" LIVE in a few minutes http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[18:55] <seidos> jdeslip: there isn't something from partimus or system76 that your dad would like?
[18:55] <seidos> how about a nettop
[18:56] <seidos> *charlie chaplin eye brow raise*
[18:56] <sn9> i think software is what's in question here
[18:57] <sn9> hardware tends to be relatively generic in comparison
[19:01] <seidos> yeah, there probably isn't anything that comes with a remote control
[19:01] <seidos> my dad could use one of those, he can't seemlessly watch internet content on his lcd television
[19:01] <seidos> which is just a shame
[19:02] <seidos> i got it working for him, but it really isn't easy enough for him to care
[19:03] <seidos> the worse part about it is the t.v. he has is an h.p., unfortunately it has proprietary software on it, and no documentation on how to get non-proprietary software installed on it
[19:03] <sn9> software installation on a tv? wha?
[19:05] <seidos> not so standard huh?
[19:06] <seidos> the line between t.v. and computer with minotaur is getting fuzzier and fuzzier
[19:08] <crashsystems> I've always wanted a minotaur with my computer
[19:21] <seidos> hehe
[19:21] <seidos> i think i always wanted a Wizard
[19:23] <crashsystems> :D
[19:26] <jdeslip> seidos: I think you mean ZaReason.  He is currently using an Ubuntu machine.  But, all he does is log-in, load chrome for his email and turn it off.  All the other possibilities confuse him ;)
[19:27] <jdeslip> This is why Chrome-OS would be great for him :)
[19:32] <smileysadman> jdeslip: T_T ^_^
[19:41] <pleia2> btw, since someone asked in my blog, no the Dining out for Life event at thirsty bear tomorrow shouldn't impact us, we're hanging out in the open seating area near the bar, that's all in the proper sit down part
[19:41]  * pleia2 replied in blog too
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: ping
[19:45] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: pong
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> About the Ubuntu training..
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> Now that the release cycle is done... and before I get too involved into +1
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> This would be a fun time to start working on it.
[19:46] <pleia2> woo
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:47] <pleia2> want to have a meeting some evening this week?
[19:47] <pleia2> tonight is free for me
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> Sure! AFAIK it's free here.
[19:47] <pleia2> ok, I'm free from 5PM on
[19:48] <pleia2> maybe 5:30, I need to take a quick break from my desk :)
[19:48] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[19:48] <sn9> the rest of the time, proprietary
[19:48] <DarkwingDuck> You still have my mobile #?
[19:50] <pleia2> who knows, PM it to me
[20:11] <seidos> Keane
[20:11] <seidos> keen
[20:56] <MarkDude> http://xobnigadgethack.eventbrite.com/ Pre-Google I/O Mini Gadget Hack **Featuring Hack Judges Arrington, Smarr and Lee** May 9- SF
[20:57] <akk> You're finding all the cool events, MarkDude .. thx for the alerts!
[20:58] <MarkDude> :)
[21:24] <MarkDude> Instead of bitcoins----- http://weusecarrots.com/


[02:47] <jphilips> Unit193: when would the final core iso ready, as i'm putting the link on the release page
[02:59] <jphilips> bluesabre: regarding 'desktop integration' in the release notes, is this something new to be able to run snap and flattpaks?
[03:10] <jphilips> with regard to pidgin-libnotify, was it removed due a python 2 dependency
[03:12] <Unit193> I'd likely be doing one last respin the night before, if there's no respins the next day/late breaking fixes then I'd update the page later on.
[03:34] <jphilips> so tonight :D
[03:35] <Unit193> No.
[03:36] <jphilips> did 'the night before' mean the night before the release?
[03:36] <jphilips> i'm utc+4, so maybe its still 22nd on your end
[03:36] <Unit193> The latter half of the message is important, with regards to "if no other errors" so not *final* until the next day.
[03:37] <Unit193> It's still the 21st, yeah.
[03:38] <Unit193> It usually ends up being a few hours after release.
[03:38] <jphilips> well whenever you do, please give me a ping
[03:40] <Unit193> Gotcha.
[03:40] <jphilips> which was the last release which had 32-bit. was it 19.04?
[03:44] <Unit193> I have up until xubuntu-core.1810.i386.buildlog, it seems.
[03:47] <Unit193> I also want to ensure albinard has a chance to go over it, he's pretty much the most solid tester at this point.  Not heard a whole lot this cycle, but doesn't help we don't have a QA person anymore.
[03:47] <jphilips> yep its in the 19.04 release notes, though not  on the released page
[03:48] <jphilips> what kind of testing is needed?
[03:49] <Unit193> At this point, all I can do with UEFI+secure boot is presume it works, as I don't have that.  I'm not really sure of anything else specific.
[03:53] <Unit193> Note: I'm not complaining, it is what it is.  Maybe there's not as much as a desire for this too, I don't know. :)
[03:57] <jphilips> :D
[03:58] <jphilips> this is what the release blog post looks like presently https://i.imgur.com/C6ZxtEG.png
[03:58] <Unit193> On the bright side, no testers means no bugs.  I think I'm good with this. :D
[03:58] <jphilips> bluesabre: let me know if any of the other known issues should be included
[03:59] <jphilips> Unit193: is UEFI+secure boot new to this release and is it not available in desktop or other flavors
[03:59] <Unit193> In the past it's been noted that the Core builds are community, it's likely best to note that still.
[03:59] <Unit193> jphilips: Not new, just something that in theory could break and I'd never know.
[04:00] <jphilips> its desktop also community :D
[04:01] <jphilips> what wording would you like
[04:01] <jphilips> 'xubuntu core, a community minimal installation option'
[04:01] <Unit193> I'd have to look at the old release notes.  Well yeah, but the desktop is built and hosted on the official infra, so a bit different.
[06:08] <knome> another LTS...
[06:09] <knome> (:
[06:11] <jphilips> yep. tomorrow is the big day
[06:13] <Unit193> knome: Are you sure it isn't a STS?!
[06:13] <Unit193> ...This isn't -ot.
[07:58] <TJ-> xf86-video-amdgpu is now fixed upstream; will prepare patch for 20.04 as soon as the patch is in the mainline repository
[09:12] <xubuntu70> Hello, I AM new here. O:3
[09:53] <jphilips> knome: have to say that the trusty wallpaper is the one i like the most :D
[09:54] <jphilips> utopic is also great
[09:54] <Unit193> If memory services, 10.04.
[09:54] <Unit193> Serves*
[09:55] <jphilips> you like 10.04 the most Unit193
[09:56] <jphilips> trusty is 14.04
[09:56] <Unit193> If I'm remembering the right one, 10.04 was pretty good, yeah.
[09:56] <jphilips> https://xubuntu.org/xubuntu-lucid/
[09:59] <Unit193> ...I don't remember which it was then.
[09:59] <jphilips> you can click the next and previous buttons on the page to go through them
[09:59] <Unit193> Yes I noticed that. :P
[10:00] <jphilips> i had seen the utopic wallpaper is someones desktop screenshot and i was like, 'wow that looks nice, i should try to get it', not knowing it was from xubuntu :D
[10:01] <jphilips> makes me wonder why we dont ship more of the older wallpapers
[10:01] <Unit193> ...Wow, never saw the Hardy one.
[10:01] <jphilips> ubuntu did a online poll on twitter and the winner got added to 20.04 :D
[10:03] <Unit193> But, I like darker blue so something along the lines of Lucid or Jaunty, though I remember the former being darker.  (Man I've been around too long, should follow knome out the door...)
[10:04] <jphilips> likely your screen was darker in those days :D
[10:04] <jphilips> well knome hasnt left as he always comes back for a great wallpaper :D
[10:30] <bluesabre> jphilips: RE: desktop integration, we could always run them, but they lacked theme integration. This meant they always took the Adwaita GTK theme and basically had no icons. Regarding pidgin-libnotify, it doesn't seem to have a python2 dep directly: https://packages.ubuntu.com/eoan/pidgin-libnotify
[10:31] <bluesabre> jphilips: yeah, there's more bugs I need to go through and add to the release notes
[10:31] <jphilips> was the lack of theme integration because greybird wasn't in the snap and flatpak repos?
[10:32] <bluesabre> TJ-: that's awesome. Way to go!
[10:32] <jphilips> so what was the reasoning why pidgin-libnotify was removed
[10:33] <bluesabre> jphilips: I do not know. I'll have to do some digging to figure out why.
[10:33] <bluesabre> jphilips: yes, the lack of theme integration was exactly that.
[10:37] <jphilips> thanks. just looking to add as much info to the shorter release notes :D
[10:39] <bluesabre> :)
[11:21] <bluesabre> LP might be having some issues serving files. `dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/xfwm4/4.14.1-0ubuntu1/xfwm4_4.14.1-0ubuntu1.dsc` doesn't want to complete
[17:57] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.4.4 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin-2-4-4-released-tp58543.html (by Graeme Gott)
[21:32] <bluesabre> > Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal Final] has been updated (20200422)


[00:32] <bigpod> currently i cannot log in to launchpad all i get is Oops! page
[00:36] <sarnold> bigpod: usually the team needs an oops-id to figure out what might be going on
[00:37] <sarnold> bigpod: did you get a number to go with it?
[00:37] <bigpod>  OOPS-3cdab81c4573e9cb1770b53bb869ffab
[00:41] <sarnold> my **guess** is that it does not like your name :( we do have users with accented names but perhaps not in the username, eg https://launchpad.net/~stgraber
[00:45] <bigpod> i havent changed my username and but i didnt log in since end of april start of may
[00:46] <bigpod> but could be that i changed something on main ubuntu one account
[00:50] <sarnold> I suggest sticking aroud a while, ilasc will hopefully be online in ~seven hours and might know what's up
[00:52] <bigpod> i guess i will come back on after i wake up
[03:18] <guiverc> OOPS-31b11f108e721633529066220ca65fdd
[03:18] <guiverc> numbers vary on retries
[03:21] <sarnold> guiverc: iirc that one is just "yeah that happens" :/ hopefully it'll execute to completion eventually
[03:22] <guiverc> thanks sarnold
[03:23]  * guiverc adds though started 12:51; ~30 mins ago on this report
[03:23] <sarnold> ouch :(
[03:25] <guiverc> part of that time is me 'again in a couple of mins' so not all active.. time of first was bounces@canonical email
[03:32]  * guiverc wonders if the `apport-collect` which died during reporting & is now locked, then I switcehd to file bug manually on this other box.. if the first box is creating a lock for me..  and it'll magically work at 13:51 when my 1hr permission on 'live' system ends..
[03:36] <sarnold> :(
[03:53] <guiverc> :(  nope still no luck... lp has issues
[04:51] <guiverc> been trying 2 hrs & still endless errors... can't even file a bug about lp not responding :(
[05:51] <guiverc> now 3hrs trying to file a bug, lp is ...
[06:01] <Tengu> hello there! seems the authentication is dead... any clue?
[06:11] <guiverc> no just lp is slow & constant OOPS; I gave up trying to file using apport-collect/ubuntu-bug & am trying to file using browser & just OOPS-d64de8fabe10336e6659a071cfb8a861 or equiv for over 3 hrs now
[07:13] <tomwardill> sarnold, guiverc, Tengu: Some python3 porting work has unfortunatley broken login for users with non-ASCII characters in their name.
[07:14] <tomwardill> We've proposed a fix upstream, but should be landing and deploying a local patch for it today
[07:15] <Tengu> tomwardill: meh....
[07:15] <guiverc> thanks tomwardill, my name shouldn't be impacted, however other problems often compound, maybe issue b/c of users subscribed to packages et.al...  thanks
[07:15] <Tengu> utf-8, that thing breaking everything in python, right? :)
[07:16] <tomwardill> Tengu: in this case, string handling differences between py2/3 in an upstream library, yeah
[07:17] <tomwardill> guiverc: a good point, I don't know what the causes of your OOPS is, I'll pass it along
[07:18] <Tengu> tomwardill: I can confirm, my firstname has a "é" in it :)
[08:45] <cjwatson> guiverc: Your OOPSes are from trying to load https://launchpad.net/linux.  While I'm sure we need to fix something there, that isn't likely to be the correct bug filing target anyway (/linux is a representation of the upstream Linux project, and upstream Linux developers aren't likely to read bug reports on Launchpad).  So you can very likely fix this by not trying to do that ...
[08:46] <guiverc> thanks cjwatson, I was trying to file the bug I was unable to via ubuntu-bug..   I'll correct & thank you !
[08:48] <cjwatson> guiverc: I don't think ubuntu-bug would have taken you to /linux; I would expect it to try to file on /ubuntu/+source/linux (assuming this is a kernel bug).  So perhaps that was a different problem?
[08:49] <cjwatson> The first OOPS you reported here was from /linux though.
[08:49] <guiverc> nah sorry cjwatson, it's a regression in 5.4 kernel I believe for i386... why I was trying to go to linux page (`ubuntu-bug linux` is where I started..)
[08:49] <cjwatson> Right, but that ought to use /ubuntu/+source/linux
[08:49] <guiverc> sorry my last was hopelessly confusing..
[08:49] <cjwatson> I think you followed a confusing link from a search
[08:50] <guiverc> Yep... Thank you once again.
[08:50] <guiverc> (sorry I replied before I'd fully read your post; My confusion & mistake; apologies)
[08:50] <cjwatson> It looks like ProductDownloadFileMixin.latest_release_with_download_files is inefficient for projects with very many releases
[08:51] <cjwatson> And:
[08:51] <cjwatson> In [1]: len(lp.projects['linux'].releases)
[08:51] <cjwatson> Out[1]: 2440
[08:51] <guiverc> your suggestion & my page instantly displays.. Thanks cjwatson !
[08:56] <cjwatson> guiverc: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1892003 for at least the most obvious problem here
[08:59] <guiverc> thanks
[09:02] <cjwatson> Landing fixes for the extremely embarrassing non-ASCII name bug now
[09:02] <cjwatson> Should be able to deploy that later today, as Tom said
[09:05] <cjwatson> (My own daughter has a non-ASCII name.  Although she's a bit young to have a Launchpad account yet ...)
[10:09] <bigpod> how can i log in to launchpad since in my name is a 2 non ascii characters. Is it just a change on ubuntu one (full name field)?
[10:10] <bigpod> ilasc
[10:12] <ilasc> hi bigpod: We've proposed a fix upstream, but should be landing and deploying a local patch for it today, we'll need to wait for that to enable login for non ascii characters
[10:13] <bigpod> thanks
[12:21] <a__pi> im trying to login in launchpad and i'm receiving "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[12:22] <a__pi> different browsers and same reply
[12:25] <tomwardill> a__pi: there's an error with handling usernames / names that have non-ASCII characters in at the minute, the fix is being deployed soon
[12:26] <cjwatson> Let's check the OOPS though
[12:26] <cjwatson> a__pi: Do you get an OOPS ID?
[12:28] <a__pi> whats an oops id ?
[12:28] <a__pi> is a ubuntu one loggin
[12:28] <a__pi> login
[12:29] <a__pi> tried with different browser and connections
[12:30] <cjwatson> a__pi: There should be an error ID on the page, starting with "OOPS-"
[12:31] <a__pi> (Error ID: OOPS-25455b7f9167f951d61dec5c61a1f51e)
[12:33] <a__pi> can i reply a bug report by mail ? i never used launchpad
[12:35] <cjwatson> Right, that error is the one that will be fixed later today
[12:35] <cjwatson> You can reply by email, yes: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[12:36] <a__pi> thx :)
[12:36] <cjwatson> (That page is a lot of words but in practice if you just want to send a simple text reply you can do that by replying to the email as you'd expect)
[13:32] <snutter> Hi! Trying to report a bug for iputils-ping on ubuntu 20.04 but I'm getting an OOPS message when logging in to my Ubuntu One account on my way to the lauchpad bug page. Is there anything wrong with launchpad services today?
[13:34] <tomwardill> snutter: can you give me the OOPS ID?
[13:35] <snutter> Sure: OOPS-03f530a6f0121429d91dc458bba276a6
[13:35] <tomwardill> we have a current problem with logging in with non-ascii characters in a username/name that should be fixed shortly
[13:35] <tomwardill> yep, that's the same problem. Hopefully fixed today, we're preparing a deployment now
[13:35] <tomwardill> sorry about that
[13:36] <snutter> Ok, that might be it. I have one nonascii letter in my first name
[13:37] <snutter> I guess I can live with ping printing IP addresses backwards for the rest of today :-)
[13:38] <tomwardill> ... that's quite a bug :)
[13:41] <snutter> Yeah, it's a bit confusing :-) Started since upgrading to 20.04. Seems to only happen when it prints the gateway address on host redirect (i think). Tcpdump interprets the incoming packets correctly so I'm pretty sure it's just ping doing something funky.
[13:45] <snutter> Thanks for the quick response, I'll try reporting the bug later today.
[13:46] <tomwardill> no problems, sorry for the inconvenience!
[13:48] <cjwatson> Somebody put right-to-left Unicode characters in your gateway host name? :)
[13:51] <tomwardill> ...
[13:51] <tomwardill> okay, new best mean trick to play on sysadmins
[13:53] <cjwatson> Just confirmed the openid unicode fix on one of our test instances, so progress
[14:02] <luna_> Hello, should the translations for Groovy be active now or not?
[14:02] <luna_> seb128 sent me here
[14:02] <luna_> Translation page is not available
[14:02] <luna_> Translations for this release series are not available yet.
[14:02] <luna_> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/
[14:04] <seb128> I'm getting 'Groovy is the current translation focus for Ubuntu.' but I'm member of some teams, I get the same error in a private session
[14:06] <luna_> maybe its not open to the public yet?
[14:08] <cjwatson> seb128: We emailed ubuntu-translation-coordinators and nobody responded.  https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations-coordinators/msg11556.html
[14:08] <cjwatson> ubuntu-translations-coordinators, rather
[14:08] <cjwatson> seb128: So the remainder of the steps on https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Translations/UbuntuOpenings, from step 8ish onwards, likely still need to be done
[14:09] <seb128> cjwatson, is there anyone still on the receiving end?
[14:09] <cjwatson> seb128: IDK, I saw you emailing the list so I thought you might be, but maybe that's just bugs
[14:09] <cjwatson> seb128: Gunnar has responded in the past
[14:10] <cjwatson> luna_,seb128: Anyway, I imagine initial imports have happened by this point, so let me poke cron schedules and such
[14:11] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm on ubuntu-translators@ but not -coordinators, I might have replied to emails where the first one was Cced
[14:11] <luna_> cjwatson: ah alright wanting to helping with Swedish when i can
[14:12] <luna_> but if there is things still to fix and if Gunnarhj or someone needs to do things i can wait
[14:12] <seb128> cjwatson, also it seems like something that doesn't really need input from a coordinator, unsure why the process is like that though, might be some historical reasons I don't understand
[14:12] <cjwatson> seb128: Mm, it may be a historical vestige
[14:13] <seb128> I would be happy with having the steps changed to be 'wait for the initial import to be done, then flip the flag'
[14:13] <seb128> I'm looking at the import queue now, always good to review those
[14:14] <cjwatson> seb128: Yep, I've just updated that wiki page to avoid blocking on u-t-c
[14:14] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks!
[14:14] <cjwatson> Since this has been a problem more than once
[14:19] <luna_> so you gonna open up later today or during this week?
[14:42] <cjwatson> Let's call it later this week.  If it's today it'll be a bonus
[14:43] <cjwatson> I have two other urgent things though
[14:46] <luna_> cjwatson: i got added by seb128 or GunnarHj so i am giving suggestions for Swedish for 20.10 now :)
[14:46] <luna_> he saw me post in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:47] <luna_> so this is atleast solved for me now
[14:51] <luna_> thanks
[15:02] <sarnold> tomwardill: oh! that makes sense :( python3 *sigh*
[15:33] <cjwatson> More the difficulty of bilingual web code (it's still running on python2), but yes
[16:36] <cjwatson> seb128: Could I have a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/langpack-o-matic/groovy/+merge/389488 ?
[16:50] <cjwatson> Tengu,a__pi,snutter: Apologies for the problems.  That's fixed now.
[16:53] <a__pi> no problem thx for your work!
[18:05] <seb128> cjwatson, reviewed, we should probably remove eoan unsure if you want to do that at the same time? it's fine in another commit later


[15:25] <Hydr0> can anyone tell me if v4l included with mythbuntu 12.04.1 needs to be updated to work with hauppage hvr-1600 ? I can get the dvb interface, but i get "failed to open" when trying to configure the analog side


[08:59] <Aussie_matt> hi all, does anyone know if the later ubuntu versions support the allwinner a10 chip from the iso with out any mods?
[09:38] <hrw> iirc no
[09:57] <Aussie_matt> hrw: was that at me?
[09:57] <ogra_> the iso :)
[09:58] <Aussie_matt> ogra_: ?
[10:02] <ogra_> doe your a10 device have a CDrom ?
[10:02] <Aussie_matt> no, boots of sd card
[10:03] <ogra_> why would you expect an iso then ?
[10:03] <ogra_> (there are only either img files you can dd to the SD card or tarballs with rootfs)
[10:04] <ogra_> but there are no images for a10 devices
[10:04] <Aussie_matt> ah: so a ISO can't be put on an sd and function?
[10:05] <ogra_> it can
[10:05] <ogra_> you could indeed loop mount it
[10:07] <Aussie_matt> but it wouldnt work?
[10:08] <ogra_> there are no installer images for most arm machines ... you will have to assemble something yourself
[10:09] <Aussie_matt> mmmmm sounds like a headache lol
[10:10] <ogra_> well, its arm ...
[10:11] <ogra_> you usually manage your bootloader and kernel yourself and use a rootfs from your preferred distro with it
[10:11] <Aussie_matt> yeah im learning that the hard way lol
[10:11] <ogra_> ubuntu supports a handfull of boards with the netinst installer but no a10 ones
[10:11] <Aussie_matt> ah interesting
[18:38] <lpalomares> hi all!.. looking at google to find out the status of this, cant find any new, only old pages will someone direct mi to a good link to read about status of ubuntu-arm ? I do have a nexus 7 to test
[18:38] <lpalomares> thanks


[10:30] <nos09> i have raspberry pi setup with openelec. I have a ubuntu machine spare .. so i installed and setup mythtv-backend on it. how to access it from raspberry pi ?
[10:35] <nos09> anybody ?
[15:38] <jmcentee_> nos09: You need to add the mythtv pvr plugin on kodi.
[15:38] <jmcentee_> you need to run mythtv-setup etc on the backend first.
[15:39] <jmcentee_> and probably use mythweb to schedule records etc..


[20:48] <player134324> Anyone in got a quick question for anyone that has bought a dell with the Integrated High Definition Audio 2.0
[21:42] <LjL> meh... jpatrick, are you there?
[21:42] <LjL> no huh
[21:42] <LjL> someone involved with RT anyhow?


[00:14] <tjaalton> why can't he stay on the channel for a bit longer..
[00:14] <tjaalton> the ppa should just work now
[00:17] <erapp_000_> i'm here tjaalton
[00:18] <erapp_000_> windows blue is just stupid
[00:18] <erapp_000_> i checked the ppa a few hours ago against a fresh raring daily. no go.
[00:19] <tjaalton> erapp_000_: and?
[00:19] <tjaalton> just keep one nick :)
[00:20] <erapp_000_> i'm juggling 2 machines atm
[00:21] <tjaalton> about to crash myself, so guess you're on your own
[00:21] <erapp_000_> thanks, i'll try again
[00:21] <erapp_000_> i must be overlooking something
[00:21] <tjaalton> ok
[00:22] <tjaalton> I'll check tomorrow if there are any issues left
[02:10] <bjsnider> everybody in here is llstarks
[04:16] <Sarvatt> llstarks: if you're here in any form you have something installed not compatible with xorg-video-abi-14 keeping it held back, maybe an old nvidia package or virtualbox
[07:33] <tjaalton> oh debian backported drm from 3.4.x to the wheezy kernel, and now someone is basically asking us to do the same
[07:34] <tjaalton> for precise
[08:48] <jcristau> sorry :)
[09:32] <tjaalton> :)
[09:34] <tjaalton> too bad that the backport stack(s) are not discoverable to 12.04{,.1} users
[23:19] <llstarks> ping bryce and mlankhorst: http://i.imgur.com/vLFnnur.jpg
[23:57] <llstarks|spare> x-staging reqs libudev0 (not in raring archive) and the drivers built against the new abi
[23:57] <llstarks|spare> figured this out the hard way


[00:01] <superfly> micadeyeye_: you need to contact TENET
[00:01] <superfly> and apart from weirdos like me, everyone else is sleeping at a quarter to 1 am
[00:03] <micadeyeye_> lol
[00:04] <micadeyeye_> thanks
[05:47] <Squirm> mornign
[05:48] <Squirm> superfly: not everyone was sleeping at 2
[05:49] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[06:06] <Squirm> indeed
[06:06] <Squirm> I hope there is still food in the dining room
[06:36] <Kilos> hi micadeyeye_
[06:36] <Kilos> morning all
[06:37] <Kilos> lo dreen
[06:44] <Squirm> morning
[06:45] <Kilos> hi Squirm captine
[06:45] <captine> morning
[06:45] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:46] <captine> thnx Kilos.
[06:46] <captine> is this channel used actively or primarily for the LUG events?
[06:47] <captine> am new to the LOCO concept etc..
[06:47] <captine> (am even mixing LOCO and LUG up)
[06:47] <Kilos> dunno what happened here but was typing your welcome and half went to pm
[06:47] <Squirm> captine: it's an active channel
[06:47] <Kilos> this is our help channel
[06:47] <Squirm> Official Ubuntu channel of ZA
[06:47] <Kilos> help with all linux systems
[06:48] <Squirm> I know the Gauteng LUG is at #glug.za, but most of the guys are here anyway
[06:48] <Kilos> we also just chat sometimes too
[06:48] <Squirm> Kilos: a lot of the time :P
[06:48] <captine> nice
[06:48] <Kilos> hehe
[06:48] <Kilos> its our family channel
[06:49] <Squirm> but yes, if there is a question to be asked, just ask it and someone would be likely to respond
[06:49] <captine> how long have you all been using linux?  I just moved back to ZA from Philippines and "converted" my personal machine to ubuntu there… but it is in a container so i am on a macbook now
[06:49] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:49] <captine> Kilos: no worries on the PM.    They just signed with Microsoft for Exchange etc, as they were running some old system before
[07:09] <captine> and i am hoping to influence in the way of open source ;)
[07:10] <magespawn> i run an internet cafe and pc shop, most of my computers run a version of ubuntu
[07:11] <magespawn> i think there are a couple of the others doing work only on linux
[07:11] <captine> nice.  I was looking to buy a small PC business that was for sale, but broker hasn't gotten back to me
[07:12] <captine> magespawn: are there any linux specific PC vendors in SA like System 76?  they didn't seem too keen to expand shipping to SA
[07:12] <captine> and I am tired of fighting with hardware on laptops
[07:13] <magespawn> i have not seen any, dell has just brought out a ultrabook developed for ubuntu from the start
[07:13] <captine> saw that
[07:14] <magespawn> ironically sa is still very windows focused
[07:15] <captine> yes.  we are used to paying and lock in
[07:15] <captine> seems lots of people are jumping on the mac train too
[07:17] <magespawn> yup linux is still in the dark area of computers for most people
[07:17] <magespawn> i have some who are highly suspicious of something that is free
[07:18] <captine> yip.
[07:19] <captine> so do you use some sort of squid setup at the cafe for the internet access timing?  or manually monitor how long people have been online?
[07:20]  * not_found is playing with the beta ubuntu touch sdk... pity I am not a dev because it looks pretty awesome :)
[07:22] <captine> not_found: all these cool looking things make me want to be a dev too
[07:23] <Kilos> hi not_found
[07:23] <not_found> yup
[07:23] <not_found> alo uncle Kilos
[07:24] <not_found> *sigh* come now interwebs or is the issue flash player... grrr...
[07:31] <magespawn> captine, manually at the moment, most of the business income is through repairs etc of pc, internet, faxes, photocopies etc just a way to bring extra money
[07:32] <captine> magespawn: do you do second hand equipment (1U rack's etc)
[07:35] <magespawn> no i work mainly on small business and home pc
[07:37] <magespawn> if you search G&C Net, Hluhluwe in google maps you will see my shop
[07:38] <captine> nice
[07:38] <captine> might come to you for some help should i get the store up here in JHB… :)
[07:40] <magespawn> np
[08:07] <magespawn> captine what sort of business is it? repairs etc or more business type services?
[08:07] <captine> the one for sale is a small shop with internet cafe
[08:09] <magespawn> ahh so very similar to what i am doing here
[08:29] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[08:32] <captine> possibly.  I would want to grow the small business support side
[08:33] <captine> get some contracts etc in place
[08:33] <captine> but will see.
[08:33] <captine> have contacted the broker but am waiting to hear back in terms of the details I asked.
[08:38] <magespawn> since when do youtube videos have ads in the middle?
[08:39] <magespawn> it is just like watching sabc now
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:45] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:45] <mazal> More oom
[08:45] <mazal> Besig met my 12.04 install
[08:46] <Kilos> kde?
[08:46] <mazal> Updates drame klaar , nou moet ek die apps bysit wat ek nodig
[08:46] <mazal> Nee , Ubuntu
[08:46] <mazal> " recovery install " en terselfertyd vir die apps wat nie werk in 13.04 nie
[08:47] <Kilos> ai!
[08:48] <mazal> And now ubuntu forums is down. Now I don't know how to get the command for multimedia support :-(
[08:48] <mazal> There is a thread there for multimedia support install I always use
[08:48] <mazal> Isn't sessentials something ?
[08:48] <mazal> essentials even ?
[08:49] <mazal> No wait , restricted-extras ?
[08:49] <Kilos> once youve installed you can get that in synaptic or software centre
[08:50] <Kilos> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:50] <mazal> I know , but I can't remember all the package names
[08:50] <mazal> And there is stuff for dvd support also that I can't remember the name
[08:50] <Kilos> where is your dejadup?
[08:51] <Kilos> didnt you backup it before
[08:51] <Kilos> back it up
[08:52] <mazal> I have the app names in a doc , must just find that in all these partitions now lol
[08:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:52] <mazal> Think it's libdvdread or dvdnav4 or something
[08:52] <mazal> All these stuff is in one command that thread I always use
[08:52] <Kilos> i have the same prob with 3 drives in here and each with its own partitions
[08:54] <mazal> This is why I hate a pure new install. So many things you need to add to make it work :(
[08:54] <Kilos> hehe
[08:55] <Kilos> where is your remastersys dvd
[08:56] <mazal> My 12.04 one doesn't want to boot mos remember. Grey screen
[08:56] <Kilos> ai!
[08:56] <mazal> Probably a drivers thing , although drivers is not supposed to be included in iso
[08:57] <mazal> This one not gonna install any screen drivers and make new iso
[08:57] <mazal> IF remastersys is still installable that is
[08:58] <mazal> Still nothing going on at the guys that took it over
[08:58] <Kilos> my 12.04 dvd works fine
[08:59] <mazal> I think he took down his repositories , if that be the case I don't know how I'm going to install it ?
[09:00] <Kilos> dont you have the package anywhere
[09:02] <Kilos> i only see 2 packages for it remastersys and remastersys-gui
[09:02] <Kilos> can send to you and you can install them with gdebi maybe
[09:02] <mazal> debs might be in my apt-cache backup
[09:02] <mazal> Will look
[09:03] <mazal> How do I enable mediubuntu repositories ?
[09:04] <mazal> Another thing I need that was in that thread :(
[09:04] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to add medibuntu to 12.04
[09:04] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to add Medibuntu repository in Ubuntu 12.04 Precise pangolin ..." http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-add-medibuntu-repository-in-ubuntu-via-terminal-and-gui/ :: "Medibuntu repositories available for Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail ..." http://www.unixmen.com/medibuntu-repositories-available-for-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-ppa/ :: "Enable Medibuntu
[09:04] <Maaz> Repository and Install Multimedia Codecs in ..." http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/05/enable-medi…
[09:04] <Kilos> its a long command
[09:04] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:07] <mazal> Found ta oom
[09:08] <Kilos> dont forget to do the next command as well to add hooks
[09:09] <mazal> hooks ?
[09:09] <mazal> The command that allows those apps to show in software centre ?
[09:09] <Kilos> ya
[09:10] <Kilos>  sudo apt-get install app-install-data-medibuntu apport-hooks-medibuntu - See more at: http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-add-medibuntu-repository-in-ubuntu-via-terminal-and-gui/#sthash.ybomX2YM.dpuf
[09:10] <Kilos> ai
[09:11] <Kilos> i cant copy paste it here
[09:11] <Kilos> grrr
[09:11] <mazal> I see it on the site , is ok
[09:11] <Kilos> cool
[09:12] <mazal> But still waiting for restricted-extras do dl and install **sigh**
[09:12] <Kilos> i wonder why copy paste dont work properly
[09:12] <Kilos> hehe
[09:12] <Vince-0> Gday Kilos
[09:13] <mazal> MOrning Vince-0
[09:14] <Vince-0> Gday mazal
[09:19] <Vince-0> So I've been trying to get hold of the universities here in KZN regarding a free software talk - and nothing
[09:19] <Vince-0> not a peep
[09:21] <Kilos> eish
[09:24] <mazal> Ok I THINK that is enabled and installed
[09:25] <magespawn> Vince-0, do none of the dlug guys have contacts?
[09:25] <Vince-0> ya I got contacts for the compsci dept peeps
[09:25] <Vince-0> Emailed, called etc
[09:26] <magespawn> yoh, and no reaction? maybe they are all busy with exams or something
[09:26] <Vince-0> who knows
[09:26] <mazal> "unable to locate package synaptec" Anybody can help me with the correct name please ?
[09:27] <magespawn> for sfd?
[09:27] <Vince-0> uh, something bigger than sfd
[09:28] <magespawn> what did you have in mind?
[09:28] <Vince-0> I'm not sure if I can say just yet but RMS is planning a trip to SA
[09:28] <magespawn> wow that would be interesting
[09:28] <Vince-0> yep, so keen - I want to even fly to cpt or something to hear it
[09:30] <magespawn> are there any details yet?
[09:30] <Vince-0> not that I know - only that the dates are in September
[09:31] <Vince-0> there really does need to be publicity so I'm trying to find out the details so I can spread the word
[09:31] <magespawn> sfd is in September
[09:38] <magespawn> would be awesome if the two events happened at the same time, even close together would be nice
[09:39] <magespawn> Vince-0, how did you find out?
[09:39] <Vince-0> I was contacted by some guys in Jo'burg
[09:42] <Vince-0> as soon as there is concrete info I will ask to send it around asap
[09:42] <magespawn> well as soon as there is more info available, i am sure we can help with the publicity
[09:42] <Vince-0> time is running out
[09:42] <magespawn> indeed, it always does espicailly when you have to work for money
[09:43] <magespawn> especially
[09:53] <captine> cheers all
[09:59] <mazal> gotta reboot
[09:59] <Kilos> yay at last
[10:17] <Kilos> yo Dreen
[11:12] <magespawn> later all
[11:13] <Kilos> later magespawn
[11:13] <Kilos> wbb
[13:20] <Kilos> hi superfly
[13:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:26] <nlsthzn> Nou die Blou!
[14:26] <nlsthzn> :p
[14:26] <nlsthzn> hiya all :)
[14:27] <psychicist> hi nlsthzn
[14:29] <nlsthzn> seems
[14:29] <nlsthzn> I chased uncle Kilos away
[14:29] <nlsthzn> how are you psychicist
[14:29] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:30] <psychicist> I am doing fine nlsthzn
[14:30] <psychicist> hehe
[14:30] <nlsthzn> not seen you on this channel before psychicist, welcome :)
[14:30] <psychicist> how are you
[14:30] <psychicist> you have :)
[14:31] <psychicist> I am normally known as psydroid (on mobile) or psyatw (at work), but this is my original nick
[14:34] <nlsthzn> ah ok :p was thinking it might be something like that :)
[14:34] <nlsthzn> I've only seen you on your mobile :)
[14:35] <psychicist> :D
[14:36] <psychicist> sometimes I'm too tired to switch on this laptop in the evening, but now it's weekend and I want to use a full-fledged operating system instead of a tablet or phone experience
[14:47] <nlsthzn> Seems you need Ubuntu Edge... then you have both :p
[14:47] <psychicist> hahaha
[14:48] <psychicist> yeah, maybe :D
[14:48] <psychicist> I will check it out
[14:48] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[14:48] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[14:49] <psychicist> the hardware is definitely becoming powerful enough for it
[14:52] <Kilos> you gonna watch nlsthzn
[14:52] <nlsthzn> @work so going to read...
[14:52] <Kilos> ai!
[14:55] <nlsthzn> oh well :)
[15:52] <Kilos> bulls struggling some nlsthzn
[15:52] <Kilos> 1/2 time and behind by 16/11
[15:52] <nlsthzn> yup, following it online
[15:53] <Kilos> ah
[15:53] <nlsthzn> reading rugby better than nothing :)
[15:53] <nlsthzn> but thanks uncle Kilos :)
[15:53] <Kilos> and morne got his boots on wrong feet
[15:53] <Kilos> yw
[15:53] <nlsthzn> hmmm... I guess his head already over-seas too...
[15:54] <Kilos> not if he carries on like this
[15:57] <nlsthzn> contract is signed and money is in the bank (so to speak)...
[15:57] <Kilos> oh you mean he is gonna play overseas
[15:57] <Kilos> next year?
[15:58] <nlsthzn> AFAIK yes...
[16:01] <nlsthzn> Now to see if the Bulls truly are unbeatable at Fortress Loftus!!
[16:01] <Kilos> oh my then the bulls are gonna battle
[16:06] <smile4ever> hi :)
[16:07] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[16:07] <smile4ever> how are you? :)
[16:29] <Kilos> good ty and you smile4ever ? sorry im watching rugby as well
[16:36] <smile4ever> don't worry :D
[16:36] <smile4ever> I'm fine too
[16:36] <smile4ever> :)
[16:36] <Kilos> hehe
[16:50] <nlsthzn> ugh...
[16:50] <nlsthzn> bbl
[18:31] <smile4ever> bye :)
[19:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[23:13] <kbmonkey> morning o/
[23:18] <nlsthzn> alo


[12:01] <rikard> What's the problem if you get the following message in Upstart 0.5.0: "Unable to set root directory: No such file or directory" ?
[12:09] <rikard> someone that could get me some help?
[12:09] <rikard> plz
[13:12] <Keybuk> rikard: usually it means that whatever path you've given to the chroot stanza does not exist
[17:51] <ion_> keybuk: Good progress with 0.10? :-)


 Hi KC, can anyone with access to our Twitter account please retweet this. … https://twitter.com/KubuntuF/status/1258139722276319233?s=20
 done
[20:16] <valorie> @Sick_Rimmit dang it man, how is it you have no access to Twitter?
[20:16] <valorie> do you want it?
[20:17] <valorie> if so will PM you the password
 That would be very helpful 🥰
[20:22] <valorie> got it?
[20:22] <valorie> in tg
 I'm guessing that was Rick?
[20:24] <valorie> @ahoneybun what was rik?
 A new login into twitter.
[20:25] <valorie> aha
 It's me 😁
[20:26] <valorie> Rik rt'd the kfocus tweet
[20:26] <valorie> and @Sick_Rimmit now has access
[20:26] <valorie> dunno why not before
[20:26] <valorie> we should be a bit more active than we have been
 Alright, I'll try to engage a bit in tweetiverse
[21:06] <valorie> cool
[21:06] <valorie> images are powerful, even if just screenshots
[21:07] <valorie> and the spinning gear always gets lots of rts


[16:19] <Armageddon> theGrg, o/
[16:19] <theGrg> \o
[22:00] <Armageddon> theGrg, Git rocks
[22:00] <Armageddon> \m/ d(-_-)b \m/
[22:01] <theGrg> \o/
[22:01] <theGrg>  |
[22:01] <theGrg>  /\
[22:01] <Armageddon> le maksour wirko ? :o
[22:02] <theGrg> cause there has to be space before '/' :p
[22:02] <Armageddon> not really


[18:18] <croepha> Hello
[18:18] <croepha> my team is using a bzr pull :parent; bzr commit; bzr push :parent  workflow
[18:19] <LeoNerd> I'd just  bzr bind  that
[18:19] <croepha> huh
[18:19] <croepha> that works for multi user?
[18:27] <fullermd> I hope so, or I've been doing nothing for the last 7 or 8 years...
[21:06] <croepha> lol
[21:10] <croepha> so, you just do bzr bind :parent
[21:10] <croepha> and then commit like you would normally?


[16:14] <thorwil> vish: interesting stance regarding trolls and handling a growing community: http://perl6advent.wordpress.com/2010/12/24/day-24-yule-the-ancient-troll-tide-carol/
[16:30]  * vish clicks..
[16:35] <vish> thorwil: true … exactly why i keep saying people waste their energy on OMG comments (trolling) , they have the energy but waste it … they need a direction.  if i OMG was famous when i started looking at Ubuntu I would not have done any work ;p
[16:35] <thorwil> heh
[16:36] <thorwil> vish: but omg is bad position and bad vector, then. all that's left is a little acceleration :}
[16:36] <vish> s/if i/if
[16:37] <vish> thorwil: yea.. i see why they(admins) do what they do.. but it's their pref
[16:37] <vish> which is kinda sad..
[16:43] <vish> thorwil: john seems to have gone missing ;)
[16:44] <thorwil> vish: silence during these last days of the year doesn't mean a lot, though
[16:44] <vish> yea..
[16:47] <vish> thorwil: looks like you too have stopped logging into the u-manual channel.. ;)
[16:48] <thorwil> vish: hmm? i'm still in that channel. there just doesn't happen much and i say even less
[16:49] <vish> thorwil: oh i wasnt there! :;D
[16:53] <thorwil> that project needs a new leader, fresh blood and better infrastructure :/
[16:55] <vish> ah! ha! i was looking at #ayatana and got mixed..
[16:56] <vish> thorwil: godbyk seems to be holding it together..
[16:57] <thorwil> vish: yes. and it will die once he becomes unavailable
[16:57] <vish> yea..
[17:04] <coz_> be back a bit later,,, need to go to store