[15:48] <bersace> kwwii: hi
[15:48] <bersace> kwwii: did you merge humanlist branch ?
[16:19] <kwwii> bersace: no, should I?
[16:20] <bersace> kwwii: of course ç
[16:20] <bersace> !
[16:20] <bersace> -ç
[16:20] <bersace> i updated humanlist following your changes
[16:20] <kwwii> I am not sure exactly what you mean :-)
[16:20] <kwwii> ok, so we somehow need to merge your branch into the official launchpad branch, right?
[16:20] <bersace> yes
[16:21] <bersace> kwwii: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bersace/ubuntu-gdm-themes/humanlist
[16:21] <kwwii> I will be submitting a few improvements to the human-gdm theme tomorrow, we can look into it then
[16:21] <bersace> ok
[16:21] <kwwii> there is a bug in the placement of the warning messages atm
[16:21] <bersace> ping me
[16:21] <bersace> when you've done
[16:21] <kwwii> will do
[16:21] <bersace> so i can maintain humanlist
[16:21] <bersace> nice
[16:21] <kwwii> no more visual changes, btw
[16:22] <bersace> ah
[16:22] <bersace> i'm only concerned about images
[16:22] <kwwii> cool
[16:22] <bersace> i have no probleme with error ;)
[16:22] <kwwii> I'll ping you sometime tomorrow, what time will you be around?
[16:22] <bersace> hmm, late
[16:22] <bersace> can't you use some bot like Dorrito to ping me once i'm logged in ?
[16:22] <bersace> or just mail me
[16:23] <kwwii> ok
[16:23] <kwwii> Dorrito?
[16:42] <bersace> a bot
[16:42] <bersace> kwwii: my jabber id is bersace at gmail dot com
[16:42] <bersace> if ever.


[01:26] <jackden> 早安
[09:29] <rypard> What's with the big fuss over the current K-pop?
[09:29] <rypard> Korean record companies either only make clone production-line "music" sung by semi-sweat shop boy/girl groups that are tools to fatten the pockets of Korean record company executives,
[09:30] <rypard> Or stale, "safe-sounding" music. I'm unable to get into "K-pop"
[09:31] <rypard> The Korean record company executives are laughing all the way to the bank at the usefulness and stupidity of their boy/girl groups


[06:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:25] <bashrc> hello
[07:25] <MooDoo> hi bashrc
[07:36] <Knightwise> morning
[07:50] <jussi> morning all
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning jussi
[07:51] <jussi> heya MooDoo
[08:00] <diplo> Morning all
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> \o diplo
[08:02] <MooDoo> howdy diplo MartijnVdS
[08:14] <popey> Morning
[08:15] <nigelb> Good Morning popey, feeling better?
[08:15] <MooDoo> morning pop
[08:15] <MooDoo> popey:
[08:15] <popey> yes thanks
[08:16] <popey> now sophie is unwell
[08:16] <popey> so it's done the whole rounds of the family now
[08:16] <nigelb> oh, well.
[08:54] <dogmatic69> bigcalm:  TF2 101mb on 100mb line
[08:54] <dogmatic69> been upgraded to 152mb now though
[08:54] <dogmatic69> not sure when that will kick in
[09:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:24] <popey> yo
[09:24] <bigcalm> Ho ho and a bottle of rum?
[09:25] <popey> not a fan of rum
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Kidney Day! :-D
[09:26] <popey> mmmm pie
[09:26] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[09:35] <foobarry> almost pi day
[09:35] <foobarry> american pi
[09:41] <bigcalm> My parents' cat thinks it's a bit cold today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfeu5m7mzkho3za/2014-03-13%2009.24.51.jpg
[09:44] <andrewebdev> any developers here want a Atom invite? Unfortunately it's Mac only at this point but they have indicated a linux version should be in the works soon
[09:47] <bigcalm> What is Atom?
[09:49] <jussi> is it not that new text editor that wants to be online vim or something?
[09:50] <jussi> https://atom.io/
[09:50] <jussi> no idea if that is what he is talking about though... :D
[09:53] <andrewebdev> not online vim really, more like sublime text
[09:54] <bigcalm> Wow, Mac only, not even a Windows version
[09:54] <andrewebdev> bigcalm, https://plus.google.com/109285932241172275424/posts/E4XEcTMwxF1
[09:54] <DJones> Hmmh, anybody want to try out graze? Just got a £10 voucher to spend on 1st 5 graze boxes for new customers
[09:54] <bigcalm> I'm happy with PhpStorm
[09:55] <bigcalm> DJones: I gave up on graze as the postal delivery was pretty much always late
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:55] <bigcalm> andrewebdev: fair enough
[09:55] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:55] <DJones> bigcalm: I never tried them, the food seemed to healthy for my tastes
[09:55] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[09:56] <bigcalm> DJones: the food is great. Just the delivery sucked, for me
[09:56] <bigcalm> DJones: I got a lot of free boxes from them but gave up after a few months
[09:58] <jussi> DJones: I dont think its available here, unfortunately
[10:23] <foobarry> can anyone open the top 2 release notes on this page? https://h10145.www1.hp.com/downloads/SoftwareReleases.aspx?ProductNumber=J9642A&lang=&cc=&prodSeriesId=&SoftwareReleaseUId=10809&SerialNumber=&PurchaseDate=
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> First one, yes
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> actually
[10:24] <foobarry> what does it show?
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> "For the best experience, use Acrobat"
[10:24]  * bigcalm drums his fingers, waiting for something to happen
[10:24] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: yeah, can't actually see the pdf
[10:25] <foobarry> i hate these big companies who do dumb stuff like this
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> weird
[10:26] <foobarry> does the same on windows. looks shagged
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> http://superuser.com/questions/412206/how-do-i-open-a-acrobat-x-document-without-the-newest-version
[10:26] <foobarry> i haz adobe X
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> they made the PDFs wrong
[10:28] <foobarry> what fool decided release notes in a non visible format was a good idea should be shot
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> it's a "pdf portfolio", not just a PDF, apparently
[10:29] <foobarry> you can't even download it
[10:29] <dwatkins_> PDF portfolios are just a collection of documents.
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins_: yes, but no Linux tools seem to exist to extract them properly or view them
[10:30] <foobarry> the server was unavailabel earlier, so might just be broken
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> except Adobe's full-of-holes-ware
[10:30] <foobarry> because i can't even download the portfooio
[10:31] <foobarry> even trying to d/l the software gives 404
[10:32] <foobarry> ah, d/led the softwre now, its got the release notes in the zip
[10:32] <foobarry> wht a fail
[10:33] <foobarry> "to view the flash technology in this pdf file please install a version of flash that support adobe reader"
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> give me PDF/1A any day :)
[10:33] <foobarry> or .tx
[10:33] <foobarry> .txt
[10:34] <dwatkins> the portfolio appears to just be a ZIP archive.
[10:34] <foobarry> you were able to download?
[10:35] <dwatkins> I think so, it might have extracted the files when I opened the portfolio no my Mac, just checking by hand from the terminal.
[10:35] <foobarry> i get "webpage is not availabel half the time"
[10:36] <dwatkins> I was able to download the file itself from HP, though, yes
[10:36] <dwatkins> let me know if you want the component files uploading to wetransfer or somesuch
[10:36] <foobarry> yes pls
[10:36] <foobarry> would be wonderful cheers
[10:36] <foobarry> ah hold on
[10:37] <foobarry> i installed flash and now i can see the pdf
[10:37] <dwatkins> aha cool
[10:37] <foobarry> thanks for the offer though
[10:37] <foobarry> hp are clearly doing it wrong
[10:37] <dwatkins> np
[10:37] <dwatkins> I don't see why Flash would be required, it's just a portfolio with three PDFs in it.
[10:38] <foobarry> opening the pdf foudn inside the software.zip on windows req'd in
[10:43] <foobarry> is it normal that you can't select 10Gb-full duplex mode on a switch
[10:43] <foobarry> i have to choose auto, or auto-duplex-10gb
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> yes.
[10:43] <foobarry> it makes vmware complain
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> Anything from 1Gb onwards -> auto duplex
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> auto negotiate *everything* even
[10:44] <foobarry> in vsphere i cannot choose autoneg on my adapter
[10:44] <foobarry> might check the bios
[10:45] <foobarry> i can choose it on the intel 1gb ones
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> wait.. you have a *virtual* 10Ge adapter?
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> *confused*
[10:45] <foobarry> i have phyiscal ones
[10:46] <foobarry> but looking at the pyhs adapter details in vmware shows 10gb,full, rather than autoneg
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> it probably autonegotiated full, because that's the only option for 10Ge?
[10:47] <foobarry> no. autoneg appears as an option on the 1gbs
[10:47] <foobarry> need to inspect my host profile and the bios settings
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: 10GbE and 1GbE are different technologies
[10:49] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: my confusion arises because when applying a host profile, it says it is setting the physical 10gb nics to autoneg
[10:49] <foobarry> but when i reapply the proifle , it says it is doing it again
[10:49] <foobarry> so when i inspect the adapter, it doesn't look like autoneg is set
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: what is "applying a host profile"?
[10:50] <foobarry> vmware's way of making sure all hypervisors have the same settings
[10:51] <foobarry> i think its just a vmware oddity..
[10:52] <foobarry> of which there are a few
[11:10] <bigcalm> Would anybody here buy car headlight bulbs so cheaply as this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/HALOGEN-HEADLAMP-BULB-P14-5s-10mm/dp/B0045UXOT0/
[11:10] <foobarry> i bought one yesterday for £3.95
[11:10] <foobarry> what's h1? i bought h7
[11:10] <bigcalm> I usually pay about 7ish quid each when mine pop
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: only if I wanted to blind other people
[11:11] <foobarry> bigcalm: then you go to halfords
[11:11] <diplo> I work for an electrical wholesaler, the lamps ( that's what we call them ) are really cheap compared to the Halfords of the world
[11:11] <foobarry> halfords = pc world
[11:11] <diplo> The profit the sheds make is quite unbelievable
[11:11] <bigcalm> foobarry: 7ish quid is the cheapest you can do. H1 are expensive everywhere else
[11:12] <foobarry> h1 is high beam?
[11:12] <foobarry> changing the bulb on a focus sucks. need to wait til the weekend to do mine
[11:13] <bigcalm> H1 = dipped, H7 = main
[11:14] <foobarry> oh
[11:14] <foobarry> man gave me wrong one.
[11:14] <bigcalm> Oh my car - Peugeot 407
[11:14] <bigcalm> s/Oh/On
[11:15] <foobarry> which is "normal"
[11:15] <foobarry> dipped or main
[11:15] <bigcalm> dipped
[11:15] <bigcalm> You use your main (full) beam when driving on country lanes with no on coming traffic and street lights
[11:15] <foobarry> terminology is confusing
[11:15] <foobarry> regular and high
[11:16] <foobarry> in my world
[11:16] <bigcalm> foobarry: look here :) http://www.powerbulbs.com/vehicles/cars/uk-ireland/peugeot/407/2004-onwards/car-headlight-bulbs
[11:16] <foobarry> rebooted my server 4 times in a row. keep missing the f1 page as it takes 5 mins to boot
[11:17] <foobarry> * Dipped/Low Beam: H7 (499)
[11:17] <foobarry> phew
[11:17] <bigcalm> See, it differs from car to car
[11:19]  * bigcalm orders 10 H1 bulbs
[11:19] <foobarry> i'd prefer a builb that lasts long time
[11:20] <foobarry> wonder if its possible or they all come from same factory
[11:23] <foobarry> i don't think i've used 10 bulbs in 20+ years
[11:24] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/HALOGEN-HEADLAMP-BULB-P14-5s-10mm/dp/B0078F6QTE/
[11:24] <bigcalm> I think that'll do me
[11:25] <bigcalm> Is 55W enough for dipped?
[11:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: I could look at the haynes but I don't like you that much :P
[11:27] <davmor2> morning all
[11:28] <bigcalm> Morning
[11:28] <foobarry> lol
[11:29] <bigcalm> I think the ones I've been buying have been 55W. It'll do
[11:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: dipped beam is apparently a D2s-35w Xenon bulb apparently
[11:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: maybe in recent versions.  :D
[11:37] <jussi> :P
[11:38] <bigcalm> Bah, 2 hours to go
[11:41] <foobarry> !release
[11:42] <foobarry> !tardy
[11:42] <foobarry> !trusty
[11:42] <Myrtti> turdy
[11:42] <foobarry> whens beta1 out?
[11:44] <popey> last month
[11:44] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[11:45] <foobarry> ah, was thinking final beta :S
[11:45] <foobarry> 27th
[11:47] <davmor2> jussi: you and your fake timezone raising our hopes
[11:47] <jussi> davmor2: pffft :P
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: do you have issue with the new lock screen
[11:48] <dwatkins> are we allowed screensavers yet on a default install?
[11:48] <popey> davmor2: be more specific?
[11:49] <davmor2> popey: it appears but the screen doesn't blank you unlock it and then the screen blank and then you have to unlock it again
[11:49] <bigcalm> Can't remember the last time I wanted to use a screen saver other thank blackness and going to standby. Saving power is a good thing
[11:51] <dwatkins> I agree that saving power is good, but sometimes it's nice to have pretty patterns on the screen (and on the desktop background, which is where I sometimes run glmatrix)
[11:51] <foobarry> yeah
[11:52] <foobarry> pretty is nice in an office of conformity and dullness
[11:52] <dwatkins> exactly, it also shows I'm in the office but have just stepped away from my desk.
[11:52] <popey> davmor2: having difficulty parsing that
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: on the desktop, your screen is suppose to blank after 5 minutes correct?  Instead what is happening is it is displaying the new lock screen.  You unlock is and 2-3 second later the screen blanks and you have to unlock it again to get back to the desktop
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: was that a better description
[11:54] <popey> ok
[11:54] <foobarry> new unity lockscreen looks a lot like login screen #confusing - did i log out?
[11:54] <popey> it looks almost identical to the login screen #consistent
[11:55] <popey> davmor2: i rarely leave my machine for more than 5 mins to trigger it, will try at lunch
[11:55] <davmor2> popey: let me see what happens if I lock it
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: I just went to the loo so it had locked while I was gone that is the only reason I've seen it :)
[11:56] <popey> Thanks for the detail.
[11:56] <popey> Pee faster.
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: no I think it was close to locking anyway, this machine hadn't :P
[12:05] <jussi> the weird thing is on kde when I wake up from sleep I unlock the kde lock screen, then the unity one comes up and I have to unlock that also. (I also have unity installed)
[12:34] <popey> davmor2: nope, i dont get two unlocks
[12:34] <bigcalm> Does anybody get what looks like two wifi icons in the notification area?
[12:35] <bigcalm> One acts as normal, the other just allows you to enable/disable wifi and wired connections
[12:35] <davmor2> popey: seb128 just pointed out that it might be a race between unity that now handles it and the old gnome lock as I haven't rebooted so I'm going to do that now and see what happens
[12:37] <popey> bigcalm: yes, uninstall indicator-network
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: that also removes ubuntu-system-settings as a dependency
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> and unity-scope-click
[12:38] <popey> intentional
[12:38] <popey> you dont want/need those, unless you plan on using unity8
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> I removed the "mediascanner service' yesterday
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> no idea how that got installed
[12:48] <bigcalm> popey: doesn't bother me, just unexpected
[13:23] <mapps> hello
[13:24] <mapps> well dusk till dawn the series was a let down ;/
[14:37] <dwatkins> I didn't have high hopes for it.
[14:41] <mapps> you watched it too?
[14:41] <bigcalm> Welp. That house may have been 20k cheaper than the one we like. But the price isn't enough to sway us
[14:51] <popey> bigcalm: where you moving to?
[14:52] <bigcalm> popey: same area that we're in right now
[14:52] <popey> oh
[14:52] <bigcalm> My parents have given us 40k to help us get our own house (they don't like us renting)
[14:52] <popey> golly
[14:53] <popey> handy
[14:53] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:53] <bigcalm> The way they put it; it's money we'd be getting any way once they die, might as well make use of it now
[14:53] <bigcalm> I appear to have very level headed parents
[14:54] <bigcalm> Well, you've met them
[14:57] <popey> heh
[14:58] <Myrtti> :-)
[14:58] <Myrtti> I've moved out of my apartment \o/
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: and into..? :)
[14:58] <Myrtti> didn't go crazy in the process
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: (congrats, btw)
[14:58] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: temporary staging point at my sisters
[14:59] <Myrtti> my 1½m³ of stuff arrived safe and sound to UK on Monday
[14:59] <bigcalm> Myrtti: well done :) I hope the emigration goes well :)
[15:02] <Pendulum> Myrtti: yay! congrats!
[15:30] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: ping
[15:31] <dogmatic69> bigcalm:  pong
[15:32] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: ta for VM info before. Glad it's still working
[15:33] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: CakePHP 1.1 - I have a field that I need to alter from a boolean to a int. I've altered the database and deleted the default_ cache file for the class. But CakePHP rebuilds it with that field as a boolean. Any thoughts?
[15:34] <dogmatic69> strange
[15:34] <dogmatic69> you stick debug on?
[15:35] <bigcalm> Debugging is on, what should I look for?
[15:35] <dogmatic69> how do you know its still 'bool'
[15:35] <bigcalm> I reload the default_ file after it's been recreated and its in there as a boolean
[15:35] <bigcalm> I only looked there because my code to save a field with 2 kept on coming back as 1
[15:36]  * bigcalm deletes the whole of the cache/models directory
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: with your parents being so normal what the hell happened to you :P
[15:38] <bigcalm> Not having a schema in a file is painful
[15:38]  * bigcalm kippers davmor2
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: do you know the new screensaver? where do I file bugs on it? :)
[15:39] <popey> I guess it's part of unity
[15:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: the new lock screen is unity why?
[15:41] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I'm about to file a bug for the lock screen showing on lock rather than blanking the screen if it is that
[15:41] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: wrong field name :)
[15:42] <dogmatic69> hehe
[15:42]  * bigcalm sighs and continues his sorry life
[15:42] <dogmatic69> bigcalm:  cake 3 is alsmot out :D
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: If you lock with Ctrl+Alt+L, then walk away for $screensaver_timeout, then unlock, it will unlock, then relock again after a few seconds; unlocking the second time sticks
[15:43] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I'm a Symfony2 person these days. I really should look at ZendFramework 2 at some point
[15:43] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeah I couldn't replicate it initially but it seems to work if you are away for a while
[15:43] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: and even look at getting Zend certification
[15:43] <dogmatic69> cool
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so it's known?
[15:44] <bigcalm> When I find the time for that, who knows
[15:44] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: by me I couldn't replicate it I spoke to popey about it earlier :)
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I'll file it then
[15:44] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: sure pass me the bug number and I'll confirm it
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: 1292069
[15:50] <bigcalm> bug 1292069 ?
[15:50]  * bigcalm is lazy ;)
[17:14] <cocoa117> so am i right to assume the syslog-ng or rsyslog or syslogd is the program that is designed to handle logs, so it can be redistributed or managed. The individual program such as bind, sendmail, httpd will need to be configured to use those syslog program in order for administrator to handle the logs properly?
[19:30] <MooDoo> JamesTait: ping
[19:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: what did JamesTait do to annoy you ;)
[19:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: nothing posted a job advertisement
[19:40] <MooDoo> wanted to say thanks :D
[19:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: why have you applied for it?
[19:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah
[19:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: with us?
[19:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah IS Squad lead
[19:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh god no ;)
[19:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol thanks for your support sir ;)
[19:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: I mean YAY! \o/
[19:42] <MooDoo> lol cheeky fecker ;)
[19:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: hey the last one was very nearly serious ;)
[19:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: here's very nearly two fingers at you / ;)
[19:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: if you get it it'll be \o/ \o/ \o/ :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* *\o/* ?
[19:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: if you get it, it's your round.......always ;)
[19:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: deal.  but don't hold your breath ;)
[19:52] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: Don't you mean *\o/* */0\* C A ?
[19:52]  * MartijnVdS wonders how that second emoticon works
[19:53] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeah the pompoms should be on the inside :D
[20:56] <mapps> hmm
[20:56] <mapps> anchorman 2 was a let down too grmpf
[21:01] <daftykins> mapps: yeah pretty yawn that was :(
[21:01] <MooDoo> Can't say I've seen anchorman to be honest
[21:09] <dogmatic69_> anyone know if the sky box internals are good for anything?
[21:10] <bigcalm> You could desolder components
[21:11] <dogmatic69_> well I was thinking more the main board is basically a raspberry pi
[21:11] <dogmatic69_> it runs linux, has hdmi, eth, sata etc
[21:13] <mapps> oh does it?
[21:13] <mapps> didnt know hm
[21:13] <mapps> daftykins always the case eh when somethings talked up so much..fails to live up to the hype and that
[21:13] <dogmatic69_> amstrad drx890
[21:14] <daftykins> mapps: hmm i watched it pretty early so hadn't heard any hype, for #2 i mean
[21:14] <daftykins> #1 is... marmite
[21:16] <dogmatic69_> http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/271404727009_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg
[21:16] <dogmatic69_> must be someone hacking these things
[21:17] <daftykins> looks like RAM beside the sink
[21:17] <daftykins> serial port to fudge with
[21:18] <dogmatic69_> ye
[21:18] <dogmatic69_> eth, 2x sata, usb, serial.. has all the makings of something good
[21:19] <dogmatic69_> on the left seems like a load of I/O, they connect to another board with all the other stuff. power, rca, sound etc.
[21:21] <dogmatic69_> way cheaper than a pi too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMSTRAD-SKY-HD-MAIN-BOARD-ON-THE-DRX890-/271404727009?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Satellite_TV_Receivers&hash=item3f30fb7ae1
[21:30] <MG__> Heating and fan sound problem sony vaio
[21:30] <MG__> ?
[21:32] <MG__> any suggestion?
[21:32] <dogmatic69_> new fan
[21:38] <MooDoo> you could be a little clearer, what's the problem?
[21:38] <MG__> But I don't have problem using windows.
[21:38] <MG__> two days ago I installed ubuntu desktop on my sony Vaio laptop.
[21:39] <MG__> Now when I run windows there is no fan sound.
[21:39] <bigcalm> It's possibly a graphics issue. Installing the binary drivers may help
[21:39] <daftykins> version? laptop model? hardware spec? sound hardware?
[21:39] <MG__> but as I go to ubuntu fan makes a lot noise.
[21:41] <MG__> Ubuntu Desktop 12.04
[21:41] <MooDoo> MG__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/359591/how-do-i-fix-loud-fan-noise-and-heat-on-my-sony-vaio
[21:41] <MG__> Sony Vaio,
[21:41] <MG__> Tnaks MooDoo
[21:42] <MooDoo> try it see what happens
[21:42] <MG__> What is TPL?
[21:42] <MG__> Sorry TLP?
[21:43] <MooDoo> advanced power management - http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[21:44] <MG__> Thanks MooDoo
[21:44] <MooDoo> but a lot of people say this will work although I can't confirm as i've never tried it - echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[21:44] <MG__> Good
[21:46] <MooDoo> I would search for it in google before you try it, just to make sure it's not something that will cause your computers to freeze or something
[21:46] <daftykins> frozenputer
[21:51] <MG__> Ok
[21:52] <MG__> Thanks MooDoo
[21:52] <MG__> actually I have everything in this nootebook.
[21:52] <MG__> I can't do risk.
[21:53] <MG__> MooDoo, please note as I said
[21:53] <MG__> I don't have any problem using windows
[21:55] <MooDoo> yeah I think it's specific to linux, you'd ave to google it
[21:57] <MG__> Ok
[21:57] <MG__> Lets try
[21:57] <MG__> Thank you for your help.
[21:59] <MooDoo> no probs


[15:25] <tordne> ji
[15:25] <tordne> hi
[15:26] <tordne> I getting the toshiba tg01 and wanted to install ubuntu mid on it
[15:26] <tordne> I downloaded the mid-<IP_ADDRESS>-menlow
[15:27] <tordne> is this the last release?
[15:52] <GrueMaster> tordne: The ubuntu mid images were only for Intel MID based systems using the Atom processor coupled with the SCH integrated chipset.  Support has gone to a community based model only.  You might be able to get something like Mer to work on it.  They pretty much took over the Hildon desktop development, and are making ports to devices like the Nokia N900.
[20:46] <DarK``> hi all. Im trying Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10 on my EEEpc at this moment. Is it possible to switch to a Gnome-like GUI after installation as I'm used to have?
[21:22] <GrueMaster> Not yet at this time.  Due to continuing issues with desktop-manager, it was decided to drop it at the last minute.  We are working on a solution, but I don't know if it will be released to karmic or only be a lucid package.
[21:22] <GrueMaster> DarK``: ^^^
[21:22] <DarK``> oh...okay. Thanks for your info
[21:26] <DarK``> GrueMaster: is there another way to turn of the UNR default interface?
[21:28] <GrueMaster> I'm not sure.  I think that there is a way to reconfigure the system through gconf, but I don't know.  Ideally, we want to have it selectable at login (where the user can choose which desktop environment to use for that session).
[21:31] <DarK``> I see. Hopefully its fixed soon because I dont like the default UNR interface at all.


 Hi, long time no see
[12:59] <Kilos> yo not_found . yeah data is in short supply
[12:59] <Kilos> are you well?
[12:59] <not_found> Always uncle Kilos , and you?
[13:00] <Kilos> well i be alive but getting older by the day
[13:00] <Kilos> in age not abilities luckily
[13:00] <not_found> nice
[13:01] <Kilos> and its winter once again so spend mosta the time shivering
[13:02] <not_found> pity... more than enough heat over here for everyone :(
[13:03] <charlvn> Kilos: it all depends on which replacement parts you use
[13:03] <Kilos> lol yeah im still waiting for that you posted
[13:03] <charlvn> Kilos: often people tend to go for the cheaper replacement parts when the choice is up to them
[13:03] <charlvn> Kilos: while the original equipment manufacturer is more careful to put quality parts in
[13:04] <charlvn> because if they break then the whole product is still under warrantee
[13:04] <charlvn> and the manufacturer gets a bad name
[13:04] <charlvn> but the same does not count for replacement parts
[13:04] <Kilos> charlvn, if you look at the front original shocks there are just replaceable O rings inside where replacement shocks are throw aways
[13:04] <charlvn> i was thinking more in terms of batteries, not really an expert on shocks
[13:05] <Kilos> now the originals are sealed units so one cant do your own O ring replacements
[13:05] <charlvn> that sucks
[13:05] <Kilos> i always used sabat batteries. found them to last a bit longer than all the others
[13:06] <Kilos> now the only batteries i use are these in my pc and cell phones
[13:15] <charlvn> this is one thing i hate about the macbooks
[13:16] <charlvn> you can't "click" the battery out like with normal laptops
[13:16] <charlvn> so how the heck are you supposed to safely dispose of the lithium ion battery in this darn thing
[13:16] <charlvn> the engineers that built macbooks were not thinking about that apparently
[13:29] <Kilos> eish
[14:33] <Kilos> charlvn, is there no way to replace it?
[14:33] <Kilos> or must it go to agents
[14:34] <charlvn> if you can get the screws loose
[14:34] <charlvn> they are tiny
[14:36] <Kilos> jewelers screwdrivers
[14:36] <Kilos> they are quite cheap and you might even get them from checkers
[14:38] <charlvn> hmmm that is an interesting idea
[14:39] <charlvn> have not thought of that, good thinking
[14:49] <Kilos> sometimes you havent the strength to turn them by hand then you hold the screwdiver down with one hand and use a pliers to turn it
[15:06] <Kilos> hehe
[16:08] <not_found> :( leon schuster had an album called leon schuster many moons ago...  Antibiotics destroy ALL bacteria, and your body needs the right bacteria to be able to function properly
[18:02] <Kilos> natural anti's dont destroy flora that one needs superfly , or id always be sick because we use lotsa onions
[18:02] <Kilos> the mycins and cillins destroy good and bad
[18:03] <Kilos> oxytetracyclins
[18:04] <smile4linux> are you sure, Kilos ?
[18:04] <Kilos> yip
[18:04] <Kilos> we hardly ever get colds and flu
[18:05] <Kilos> but i have had pneumonia twice since i been up here in PTA
[18:05] <smile4linux> how did you heal it?
[18:05] <Kilos> i did some studying on meds when i was farming
[18:06] <smile4linux> cool.
[18:06] <Kilos> took long acting oxytetracycline for animals and got mey sister to inject me inna bum
[18:07] <Tonberry> you know they sell those for humans
[18:07] <Kilos> on one of the cheeks actually
[18:07] <Kerbero> jy moes seker ernstige akute lamboudia daarna gehad het
[18:08] <Kilos> lol ya baie eina boude
[18:08] <Tonberry> in pill form
[18:08] <Kilos> but was cured within 2 days
[18:08] <Kilos> i hate being sick
[18:08] <smile4linux> Kilos: me too.
[18:09] <Kilos> yeah Tonberry but at 5 times the price of an injection
[18:09] <Tonberry> true
[18:10] <Kilos> and of course the docs fee added
[18:13] <Kerbero> het iemand dalk vir my 'n raspberry pi order code vir RS componenets?
[18:21] <not_found> superfly, takealot.com
[18:22] <not_found> http://www.takealot.com/music/afrikaans/leon-schuster-leon-schuster-cd,13635
[18:22] <superfly> not_found: I know takealot.com very well :-)
[18:22] <not_found> lol sorry
[18:22] <Tonberry> so much money
[18:22] <Tonberry> spent on that site...
[18:31] <superfly> Tonberry: I know...
[18:32] <smile4linux> bye :)
[19:31] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[19:33] <not_found> night uncle kbmonkey
[19:33] <not_found> night uncle Kilos even
[20:15] <charlvn> hi all
[20:17] <charlvn> nn
[20:17] <nuvolari> lol
[20:18] <nuvolari> @ not_found
[20:18] <not_found> :p
[20:22] <charlvn> autocomplete fail
[20:22] <charlvn> trying to figure out how to run radvd over openvpn
[20:22] <charlvn> seems to be possible but it's a biatch
[20:22] <charlvn> gonna leave it for tomorrow
[20:22] <charlvn> now to get some sleep
[20:23] <charlvn> just listening to some old trance now to get me relaxed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKAPn25lS4
[20:24] <charlvn> anycase, nn all
[20:24] <nuvolari> cheers charlvn
[20:24] <nuvolari> charlvn: you need some ASOT :D
[20:25] <nuvolari> I can listen to Armin van Buuren's stuff all day long
[22:38] <Squirm> fp


[03:46] <cyberfall> hello can someone help me with find a log that may shead light on why my computer freeze up.. i have a nvidia gpu and if i set it to the generic nvidia it does ok but my tv screen rolls and wont change off 50 hz to 60 hz. so im force to use the nvidia driver. also my video card is a old 7300le so i cant use a updated version
[03:46] <cyberfall> this all started when i upgraded my lubuntu from 16.04 to 16.10
[15:56] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> Good Morning
[15:59] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> Anyone know if one box running lubuntu running a vnc server getting a shared connection from a laptop runnign lubuntu aswell, if the vnc box's ip address might change?
[17:50] <boblamont> I have a dual-boot setup on one computer and while in Lubuntu (but not in anything else), I'm unable to connect to the network. It started recently and I don't recall installing anything or changing any settings.
[17:50] <wxl> boblamont: what card?
[17:52] <boblamont> It's a Realtek 8111/8168/8411
[17:56] <wxl> what's the pci id?
[17:56] <wxl> maybe just pastebin `lspci -nnk`
[18:04] <boblamont> 10ec:8168 (rev 03)
[18:11] <wxl> what driver you using?
[18:13] <boblamont> r8169
[18:14] <wxl> This did work previously with that same driver?
[18:17] <boblamont> Yes, up until a few days ago.
[18:18] <wxl> hm.
[18:18] <wxl> what version of lubuntu?
[18:19] <boblamont> 16.04
[18:20] <wxl> pastebin `dmesg | grep -e eth -e r8169`
[18:20] <kiaera> I use lubuntu without installing it and noticed it won't play any sound
[18:21] <kiaera> does it mean it would not play any sound if I install it?
[18:21] <wxl> kiaera: possibly. possibly not. have you opened up alsamixer to see what's going on, if it recognizes your card, etc?
[18:22] <wxl> kiaera: also even if it's missing a driver for example, that's often a fairly simple thing to solve.
[18:22] <kiaera> I did alsamixer but it didn't work
[18:22] <wxl> what exactly happened, kiaera ?
[18:23] <kiaera> what do you mean?
[18:23] <kiaera> I opened up lasamixer and toggle the selections
[18:23] <kiaera> alsamixer
[18:23] <wxl> is it showing the right chip/card?
[18:24] <kiaera> I can't remember
[18:24] <wxl> then i'd try again
[18:24] <kiaera> wxl are you an admin
[18:24] <kiaera> who are you
[18:25] <wxl> kiaera: an admin of what?
[18:25] <kiaera> lubuntu..
[18:25] <boblamont> I'm going to do the dmesg, but I wanted to mention, I checked ifconfig and there's no eth0, it comes up as enp5s0
[18:25] <wxl> kiaera: i am one of the contributors of lubuntu, yes
[18:25] <kiaera> wow
[18:25] <kiaera> that's cool
[18:25] <wxl> boblamont: then i'd replace the eth with enp
[18:25] <wxl> kiaera: you can be, too
[18:26] <wxl> boblamont: here's another shot in the dark— try `sudo ubuntu-drivers list` and see if it gives you anything relevant to your ethernet
[18:26] <wxl> boblamont: hm! maybe that change in device enumerating has caused the problem. were you eth0 before?
[18:26] <boblamont> I believe so, that's why I checked.
[18:28] <wxl> ah actually i think that's the problem!
[18:28] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/689070/network-interface-name-changes-after-update-to-15-10-udev-changes
[18:29] <wxl> tl;dr switch the names in /etc/network/interfaces or disable the new naming with the various options given
[18:41] <boblamont> I fixed it without doing any of that, and it's still coming up as enp5s0 (but working). While reading the link, I saw that they "deleted the virtual network card" and tried deleting the entry in the connections list and creating a new one. As soon as I did that, the connection was restored. Everything else looks identical, but it works.
[18:42] <pavlushka> wxl: yeah, coz my one too, switches and works without any issue :)
[18:43] <pavlushka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23853343/
[18:46] <boblamont> thanks for the help wxl!
[18:47] <wxl> boblamont: you deleted the entry a la nm-applet?
[18:47] <wxl> cuz virtual network card is vm-specific talk :)
[18:50] <boblamont> Oh, I know it wasn't the same thing, it just reminded me that I hadn't tried deleting the settings. I just kept going with edit, seeing nothing amiss and being discouraged. Didn't think of just deleting and remaking it.
[18:50] <wxl> ah ok, great. Well that's useful to know if anyone else has the same issue.
[18:51] <wxl> I'm surprised I don't see more of this to be frank.
[18:51] <wxl> do you have any clue exactly which day this started? if so, i'd love to see your apt logs from that point
[18:57] <boblamont> No, I can't remember.  The last time I needed it to, the network connection was working, but then I popped back and saw it wasn't.
[18:59] <wxl> ok well glad we got you working, boblamont. have a good day :)
[21:35] <RonWhoCares> Does GTK UVC video viewer come with it?  or does it need to be installed separate?
[21:37] <wxl> hey RonWhoCares :)
[21:38] <wxl> I have never had to deal with UVC before
[21:39] <RonWhoCares> It is what I am using for creating videos
[21:39] <wxl> it seems like there are drivers that need to be installed?
[21:40] <RonWhoCares> ok
[21:41] <wxl> OH
[21:41] <wxl> so that's why guvcview is called what it's called
[21:42] <wxl> needless to say that's a standard part of lubuntu-desktop
[21:42] <wxl> but there are drivers required for uvc DEVICES to work
[21:43] <wxl> here's some old support pages on that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UVC
[21:43] <RonWhoCares> ok
[21:43] <RonWhoCares> I expect Lubuntu will install what is needed
[21:43] <wxl> probably
[21:44] <wxl> i mean uvc is not new and afaik not proprietary
[22:15] <garywhite> My friend has a Samsung N140 netbook that he converted from Windows 7 Starter to Lubuntu 16.10, and now his CPU is displaying only 800MHz power, even though the CPU (Intel Atom N270) is a 1.6GHz unit
[22:25] <RonWhoCares> how do I load a program
[22:26] <wxl> which program?
[22:27] <RonWhoCares> I have to install it
[22:28] <wxl> which program?
[22:30] <RonWhoCares> ahh
[22:30] <RonWhoCares> I think I have it
[22:33] <RonWhoCares> ok
[22:33] <RonWhoCares> How do I make a link for the desk top
[22:34] <wxl> couple different ways https://askubuntu.com/questions/466395/how-can-i-create-a-quick-launcher-in-lubuntu
[22:41] <RonWhoCares> ok
[22:41] <RonWhoCares> got it
[22:41] <RonWhoCares> I am getting an error
[22:42] <RonWhoCares> ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[22:43] <wxl> that's not necessarily an error
[22:43] <wxl> it's more or less a warning
[22:43] <wxl> assuming you have a valid copy of it (without the -old) and have no reason for it, you can just get rid of it to get rid of the warning but it will have no ill effect
[22:44] <RonWhoCares> lovely
[22:48] <RonWhoCares> I am not sure what to think about Lubuntu
[22:48] <RonWhoCares> Slightly different than Ubuntu
[22:48] <wxl> yep slightly. mostly simpler
[22:49] <RonWhoCares> I'll see how this goes
[22:49] <RonWhoCares> I am going to get some pain meds
[22:49] <wxl> good luck!
[22:55] <RonWhoCares> Pool time
[22:55] <RonWhoCares> Thank you