[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[16:43] <xdatap1> dholbach, good evening
[16:44] <dholbach> hey xdatap1
[16:44] <xdatap1> dholbach, let me introduce to you l3on, he's a dear friend from the Italian LoCo. He wrote that post on the planet about a tool for making easier the merge process.
[16:44] <dholbach> hey l3on - nice to meet you
[16:44] <l3on> Hi all! hi dholbach, thank you xdatap1
[16:46] <xdatap1> dholbach, we were chatting about this post, so I tought that you were the best person for asking some feedbacks
[16:46] <l3on> Hi dholbach, I'm here to get some feedbacks about my idea ( "Hym" ), I would know if it could be useful into ubuntu development cycle and If yes how I can improve it before start do develop
[16:46] <dholbach> can you give me a link to the blog post again, so I can refresh my memory?
[16:47] <l3on> of course → http://en.leoiannacone.com/2011/05/hym-help-you-to-merge/
[16:47] <xdatap1> http://en.leoiannacone.com/2011/05/hym-help-you-to-merge
[16:48] <dholbach> ah yes
[16:49] <dholbach> would it make use of grab-merge (in ubuntu-dev-tools) and visualise the changes? or use bazaar internally?
[16:51] <dholbach> (I'm not sure which part of the merging workflow Hym would take care of)
[16:53] <l3on> dholbach: grab-merges or bazaar - I don't know actually...
[16:54] <dholbach> so which part of the workflow would Hym take care of?
[16:55] <l3on> what do you mean with "workflow" ? :)
[16:55] <l3on> I have thinked: With Hym I can:
[16:56] <l3on> 1) Take a complete view of available merges (merges.u.c)
[16:56] <l3on> 2) choose which one I want to merge
[16:57] <l3on> 3) automatic "dput" of debian and old_ubuntu packages in the "hym_workspace"
[16:58] <l3on> 4) use gui to get a complete view of changes involeved last ubuntu packages. Apply changes (if necessary) and constantly see the diff.
[16:59] <l3on> 5) Build package
[16:59] <l3on> 6) Report sync or Upload packages somewhere
[16:59] <dholbach> can I also use hym to edit if there are merge conflicts?
[17:00] <l3on> This is how I have imaged HYM.
[17:00] <l3on> dholbach: I'm not a "great experience ubuntu developer", what mean "merge conflicts" ? :)
[17:01] <dholbach> if changes that happened in debian and ubuntu happened in the same place, they might conflict
[17:01] <dholbach> so you have to resolve them manually
[17:02] <l3on> yes of course, hym could be improved with this feature.
[17:03] <dholbach> if you resolve them manually you have to edit files - would hym also do that?
[17:03] <l3on> But I have to touch what "merge conflict" is really, but yes... I don't see any difficult to introduce this aspect in HYM.
[17:04] <l3on> dholbach: of course!! maybe are you missing the complete mockup? → http://people.ubuntu.com/~l3on/hym/myImage.png
[17:05] <dholbach> ah ok, now I see it
[17:05] <l3on> When I wrote "default/preferred EDITOR" I've intended there will be a "gedit panels" (gedit is just an example)
[17:06] <dholbach> I like the idea of making it easier for new contributors to contribute and do something - I'm just a bit concerned as it looks like quite a lot of work
[17:06] <l3on> in other words: you'll be able to edit all files you want.
[17:07] <dholbach> two things I'm wondering about are 1) for other development tasks, will new contributors have to use different tools? (there's more than merging that needs to be done), 2) does Hym hide too much complexity so new contributors don't learn enough about the tools / build process
[17:08] <l3on> yes you're right. When I think the roadmap I see a "long term" project (but, well engineered)
[17:08] <dholbach> I think you should talk to a few more people, maybe on one of the development mailing lists<EMAIL_ADDRESS>might be good to get input from new contributors and also people who have been developing for a bit longer)
[17:10] <l3on> for point 1): have you some example?
[17:11] <l3on> 2) yes, unlucky It will hide some dev stuffs
[17:15] <dholbach> regarding 1) taking the package and fixing stuff in the source code, updating the package to a new version, etc
[17:18] <l3on> Well we can structure application to work between two general debs, instead of
[17:18] <l3on> debian - ubuntu
[17:19] <dholbach> sometimes you just take the current source in ubuntu and work on the source
[17:29] <l3on> Yes, understood. I'll work on, but I think is simple (just remove the panel below, which represents the "old" ubuntu package). I'll think about that.
[17:30] <dholbach> ok
[17:30] <dholbach> I think it'd be a good idea to talk to a lot of people first and find out how they work
[17:30] <l3on> thanks dholbach for info and ideas :). I'll contact motu mentors (and motu too?, boh!).
[17:30] <dholbach> awesome


[11:01] <kay> shiv: sorry, i am going to open one that will allow it
[11:01] <nmorse> Oh probably, but that .config is pretty big, as it covers almost everything being compiled as a module
[11:02] <kay> You can always go in cycles, remove only want you understand, leave ACPI as modules and so on
[11:02] <brosio> kaddressbook start only from konsole, anyone could try to start it from kmail ?
[11:02] <shiv> it says conection broken error 15 on the other chat window
[11:02] <nmorse> Nah, I think I'll just see if a newer driver module will make my sound work
[11:03] <kay> hm... shiv, can you try dmesg | grep -i audio and paste here if not much?
[11:04] <kay> nmorse: What hardware is it?
[11:04] <shiv> nothing happens on that command
[11:04] <shiv> :(
[11:04] <kay> can you try dmesg | grep -i coded
[11:04] <kay> can you try dmesg | grep -i codec
[11:04] <kay> sorry, the later one is correct
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep -i codec
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: codec reset timeout
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: no codec available
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[11:05] <kay> aha... please do it like this: dmesg | grep atiixp
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep atiixp
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: codec reset timeout
[11:05] <shiv> atiixp: no codec available
[11:05] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[11:06] <kay> So it was already all
[11:06] <kay> You see, it sounds like it is not happy with your hardware somehow
[11:06] <kay> I am looking what I find about it... hang on
[11:07] <shiv> i had sound at the very begining about 3 days back
[11:07] <kay> Is it a notebook shiv?
[11:07] <shiv> i upgraded after adding extra repositories
[11:07] <shiv> ya
[11:07] <shiv> toshiba P35-6091
[11:08] <brosio> kaddressbook start only from konsole, anyone could try to start it from kmail ?
[11:08] <nmorse> What version of ALSA are the drivers that come standard with Ubuntu from?
[11:08] <closure> you know it sure would be great if the backports repo would respond i tell you i don't know if i could hold it together if it did
[11:09] <kay> shiv: I saw something suggesting "noapic" added to kernel command line
[11:09] <kay> shiv: Let me look for more...
[11:11] <oxy> am I to stupid? Or why does the kubuntu-dvd-Torrent not work?
[11:12] <kay> shiv: You know how to add something to the kernel command line ?
[11:12] <shiv> no sorry I suck---newbie ;(
[11:12] <nmorse> Hey, brosio, try using Kontact
[11:13] <kay> shiv: No prob, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:13] <kay> shiv: You know how to edit a file that root owns?
[11:13] <brosio> kcontact works
[11:14] <shiv> i think $ sudo gedit ...........
[11:14] <kay> yeah.... that will work
[11:15] <kay> there is a line like # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[11:15] <vicks> anyone knows why i can't isntall firefix extensions? nothing happens when i click on them
[11:15] <kay> shiv: Make sure to append a space (!) and noapic, seems people with the same trouble had luck with that
[11:16] <kay> shiv: Let me be clear, add " nopaic" (without quotes of course) to that line
[11:16] <nmorse> look at the top of your browser, vicks
[11:16] <kay> shiv: And don't remove the # at the line begin, it is needed
[11:16] <nmorse> just below the toolbars
[11:16] <nmorse> There should be a place to click options on the far right
[11:16] <nmorse> then click allow
[11:17] <shiv> is it this?
[11:17] <shiv> ## ## Start Default Options ##
[11:17] <shiv> ## default kernel options
[11:17] <shiv> ## default kernel options for automagic boot options
[11:17] <shiv> ## If you want special options for specifiv kernels use kopt_x_y_z
[11:17] <shiv> ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
[11:17] <shiv> ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[11:17] <shiv> # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro
[11:17] <kay> yes
[11:17] <vicks> nmorse: already done that
[11:17] <shiv> but is hda2
[11:17] <shiv> so that should be ok
[11:17] <shiv> ?
[11:17] <kay> if that is your disk
[11:18] <kay> check by typing mount
[11:18] <shiv> ya
[11:18] <shiv> :)
[11:18] <shiv> brb
[11:18] <kay> maybe it is windows on hda1
[11:18] <vicks> ah, started working suddenly
[11:19] <shiv> yes it is
[11:19] <shiv> so now i save the file
[11:20] <shiv> and then?
[11:20] <kay> well... then you will have to reboot
[11:20] <shiv> ok
[11:25] <shiv> no luck
[11:25] <shiv> :(
[11:25] <kay> hm..... you said it worked before
[11:25] <shiv> is it no apic
[11:25] <kay> Can you say what you did in the mean time
[11:25] <shiv> or apaic?
[11:26] <kay> noapic, one word
[11:26] <shiv> ya
[11:26] <shiv> i wrote it right
[11:26] <shiv> I just upgraded all the packages after adding the backup repositories
[11:27] <kay> backup reps, what is that?
[11:27] <shiv> besides i had xandros before and xandros-alsa 2.6....used to work for me before so I installed that and
[11:27] <shiv> it worked fine for me
[11:28] <kay> can you run sudo alsaconf?
[11:28] <kay> try to look what it tells you
[11:28] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ sudo alsaconf
[11:28] <shiv> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[11:28] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[11:30] <kay> install alsa-utils
[11:30] <shiv> I also had done this yesterday: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[11:30] <shiv> but I had lost sound before
[11:30] <shiv> let install als-utils
[11:31] <shiv> its already installed per kynaptic
[11:32] <closure> we need a nzb site
[11:32] <closure> when you make your fill you upload the nzb there
[11:32] <closure> or something like that
[11:32] <yahalom> hey...i just installed kubuntu on one of my customers's pcs. They don't have the internet. How do I supply them with updates and extra apps? they need more locality support.
[11:32] <closure> yahalom, you don't
[11:33] <closure> or you can just download the most recent iso and do it that way i guess
[11:33] <yahalom> closure: not satisfied with that answer ;)
[11:33] <closure> i'm pretty sure those are your only options
[11:33] <closure> iso or nothing
[11:34] <yahalom> closure: well when i install kubuntu it says ur local language is not complete u'll need to update online, how do i fix that? get their computer to my place and online?
[11:34] <kay> yahalom: You could install apt-cacher on a notebook
[11:34] <vicks> isn't there a way to download apt's and then burn them?
[11:34] <kay> yahalom: Then install a fresh system and all you need for them
[11:34] <closure> yahaloe if you can that'd probably be the easiest
[11:34] <closure> i don't understand why it wouldn't be complete
[11:35] <yahalom> kay: apt-cacher?
[11:35] <closure> is it not english?
[11:35] <kay> yahalom: Go there, make them use your notebook as apt source, or just drop the archives from /var/cache/apt-cacher to their /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:35] <kay> Yes, it's a Debian package, likely in Universe
[11:35] <kay> shiv: I fear, I don't really know... can somebody else help please?
[11:36] <shiv> :(
[11:36] <yahalom> kay: wanna buy me a laptop? actually i've been thinking of doing that. it's the simplest way. need to make some cash first. but i'm with u on that one.
[11:36] <yahalom> closure: no not english
[11:36] <muzz2k> hey people, I have a query that I couldn't find an answer to on Google
[11:36] <kay> yahalom: You can install apt-cacher also on your local machine
[11:36] <closure> yahalom, is it a notebook or desktop?
[11:36] <yahalom> closure: well u know. i installed kubuntu on their system. so kubuntu is setup. now i can take their hard disk and do the updates.
[11:37] <yahalom> i guess
[11:37] <kay> yahalom: then install a new one, and make it go through the apt-cacher
[11:37] <yahalom> closure: desktop
[11:37] <kay> yahalom: then burn the packages as iso, drop it to the right directory on their machine and you are done
[11:37] <closure> ouch
[11:37] <yahalom> kay: i never heard of apt-cacher.
[11:37] <closure> i'd just bring the thing over to your house and update that way cause there's probably going to be an assload of upgrades and shit
[11:38] <kay> yahalom: still you can start using it as soon as apt-get install apt-cacher completes
[11:38] <yahalom> apparently i can build my own ubuntu cd
[11:38] <kay> apt-cache show apt-cacher
[11:38] <yahalom> closure: lol yeah and their comp is like five years old
[11:38] <yahalom> so it takes forever!
[11:38] <yahalom> ubuntu almost two hours!
[11:39] <kay> we are uings apt-cacher at work so except for the first one, every other installation and upgrade is very quick
[11:39] <yahalom> kay: man i'll need to make little tools like that, cos otherwise work is going to be a bit harder than necessary
[11:40] <yahalom> kay: when i put a newer kubunt cd into a machine running kubuntu, it can update its apps from the cd, right?
[11:41] <muzz2k> when i set my shell to csh, KDM fails to log me in, but killing kdm and running startx works fine.  When I change the shell back to bash, everything works as expected.  Any ideas?
[11:41] <kay> hm.... maybe, i never used the CDs
[11:41] <yahalom> kay: fedora used to work like that. i think ubuntu also does. need to try it.
[11:41] <kay> muzz2k: Don't change the shells, change what you start in Konsole, an option?
[11:41] <yahalom> anyone know...kubuntu would work on a pentium 1?
[11:42] <yahalom> 20 GB HD
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: short answer is no
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: u serious?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: not with KDE
[11:42] <kay> Depends on the RAM, actually
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: crap
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: only xfce?
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic: or gnome?
[11:42] <muzz2k> possibly, but it would be nice to know why it's doing it
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom: maybe, or fluxbox
[11:43] <yahalom> thoreauputic: man but freaking windows 98 works on it
[11:43] <kay> You never knew how good it was :p
[11:43] <kay> Now you do
[11:43] <thoreauputic> yahalom: windows 98 is seven years old!
[11:43] <yahalom> thoreauputic: how would gnome not work on it? (not to say gnome is as bad as 98, just 98 eats a lot)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> yahalom: gnome needs RAM
[11:44] <thoreauputic> yahalom: so does KDE
[11:44] <kay> The things is yahalom, Gnome is quite bloated
[11:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so even more screwed, huh? no i know its that old, but the pc isnt.
[11:44] <kay> And KDE is getting less bloated, but still is
[11:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so what should i expect, a slow kde?
[11:44] <kay> yahalom: Go to lwn.net, check distribution list
[11:44] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I have an old pentium 200mmx running Debian, but using Fluxbox
[11:44] <kay> yahalom: There are some that are optimized to that kind of machines
[11:45] <kay> And yes, none of them uses KDE or Gnome
[11:45] <KaiL> biggest problem on a P1: you WILL have to less RAM
[11:45] <yahalom> thoreauputic: man only someone who is a linux fan will appreciate fluxbox. these windows moonies wont.
[11:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: either use DamnSmall Linux, or a very lean install with a light window manager like iceWM or one of the *boxes
[11:45] <KaiL> thoreauputic: does DSL use a normal X-Server?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: iceWM is more like windows
[11:45] <thoreauputic> KaiL: no
[11:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic: how do i get iceWM on a cd to install onto ubuntu?
[11:46] <KaiL> imho that helps more then avoiding KDE ;)
[11:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic:anyway i can install ubuntu without gnome or kde?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, but it would be easier to use a distro like Vector Linux
[11:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic: man i want them to have something which they'll be like "wow! why did i waste my energy with windows"
[11:47] <thoreauputic> yahalom: on a pentium I you would need an earlier edition of Vector though
[11:47] <KaiL> "Vector Linux" is what?
[11:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic: gnome needs more ram than win98?
[11:48] <KaiL> yahalom: the X server itself does.....
[11:48] <thoreauputic> yahalom: gnome 2.10 does for sure
[11:49] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so what should i tell them? they dont want just linux, they want something that will make them choose it over windows.
[11:49] <kay> Why not Windows?
[11:49] <yahalom> kay: too expensive
[11:50] <thoreauputic> yahalom: well, on old hardware I personally would set up a custom install of Debian Sarge or use an earlier edition of Vector Linux
[11:50] <kay> That sounds strange, you said they already have Win98
[11:50] <yahalom> kay: too much junk coming in. u know how many customers i have who consider disconnecting their internet cos of viruses and adware?
[11:50] <yahalom> thoreauputic: so sarge with xfce? (i want a desktop that looks good)
[11:51] <yahalom> kay: besides i feel guilty everytime i charge people money to fix windows
[11:51] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, that might work OK: look at this site too http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html
[11:51] <kay> If they are to surf the web, firefox is going to kill them :p
[11:51] <thoreauputic> yahalom: useful hints about lofat linux
[11:52] <yahalom> kay: i just wanna say" here have this, no viruses, no spyware, and no porn popups for ur 5 year old son"
[11:52] <kay> Take them to Walmart and buy that Lindows PC for 200 USD?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> The only browser that would work fairly quickly on a pentium I is Dillo ( or maybe the graphical version of Links)
[11:52] <yahalom> kay: no not lindows. lindows has the same issues as windows. u r logged in as root!
[11:53] <kay> That is not true and not true.
[11:53] <KaiL> yahalom: use that hardware as a base and install kubuntu on it
[11:53] <thoreauputic> yahalom: not any more - you can set up a user in Linspire now
[11:53] <kay> First, there once was a first version of Lindows where that was the case, but it is no longer so
[11:53] <KaiL> will still be WAY faster than every P1 construction will ever be
[11:53] <yahalom> ok thats good to know.
[11:53] <kay> And second, even if, no malware even attempts to exploit so far, desktop unix users
[11:54] <yahalom> i remember when it first came out though, it was weird as hell.
[11:54] <kay> Actually, Lindows is from the Debian family, not?
[11:54] <kay> Anyway, i was more talking the hardware.
[11:55] <kay> You get cheap PCs these days, cheaper than certain licenses used to be
[11:55] <thoreauputic> yahalom: Linspire is probably a good choice for complete non-techies, if you can stomach their business model :)
[11:55] <yahalom> man, they're going to be pissed tomorrow :(
[11:55] <yahalom> "it took 10 hours to install and it wont even work!?!?"
[11:55] <yahalom> thoreauputic: lol. what is their business model?
[11:55] <kay> How much RAM do they have?
[11:55] <KaiL> yahalom: biggest problem with a P1 is the RAM. Those boxes have 32MB as very best normally
[11:56] <yahalom> kay: man i didnt even bother. i looked inside and saw that they only had two slots, and i didn't wanna look again.
[11:56] <KaiL> even for some "damn small linux" that results in more stuff in swap then in real RAM
[11:56] <thoreauputic> yahalom: well, some people get upset that they sell OSS software with their Click'nRun thing: but really they sell ease of use
[11:56] <kay> I also had 2 slots and 512 MB :p
[11:56] <KaiL> yahalom: which CPU clock?
[11:57] <yahalom> thoreauputic: if they charge for customer service then i can accept that, but not for software, but then again these channels and forums are better than any customer service
[11:58] <yahalom> KaiL: this will sound naive to you, but i really thought if win98 works so would ubuntu. when people tell me "ok lets try this penguin stuff" something lights up in me, and takes me over like a little child.
[11:58] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I heard the Linspire CEO or someone like that on a radio show: basically they are selling service and an easy one-click install of software
[11:58] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I think there's room for that model in Open Source, but some people don't
[11:59] <KaiL> yahalom: a recent Linux system needs around the same hardware Windows 2000 needs, maybe a bit less
[11:59] <yahalom> thoreauputic: well then one click thing is very very cool, but why i ask u, dont those debian devs and ubuntu, etc find a solution already. i mean everytime i give ppl linux, i had to warn them about that.
[11:59] <KaiL> (means every i686 works ok and even late i586)
[12:00] <KaiL> or in other words: if you can INSTALL WinXP, you can USE Linux+KDE :)
[12:00] <yahalom> KaiL: i need to read more. it's good to know. i thought that it was microsoft's business tactic to make each version more resource hungry, and linux tried to work on the minimum just as well as on the maximum.
[12:00] <thoreauputic> yahalom: in practical terms, the difference is that Synaptic/Kynaptic require *some* understanding of how the repository system works - click'n run doesn't
[12:00] <kay> For Linux the kernel is may be true
[12:01] <KaiL> with such distributions like damn small linux you can get that a bit down, but then RAM starts to become a problem very fast
[12:01] <yahalom> KaiL: well it makes sense now. why would such a cool desktop as kde need as much as little as a lousy win98?
[12:01] <kay> for KDE, it may be more true when KDE 4 comes out, but not too much
[12:01] <KaiL> running KDE on a P60 with 96MB RAM -> no problem
[12:01] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you can set up a very usable Linux on old hardware - but it requires some knowledge that your users will not possess
[12:01] <yahalom> thoreauputic: when i first acquired linux, i bought it with my system. the guy told me "say goodbye to being a monkey"
[12:01] <KaiL> running KDE on a *typical* P166 MMX (with 32MB) -> forget it


[11:19] <kholerabbi> Could someone with knowledge of notification standards and the indicator-applet make a convincing request at the Skype for Linux developer's blog?   http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/07/skype_for_linux_an_update.html
[11:21] <kholerabbi> a request for Skype to support galago/notification standards*
[11:21] <SiDi>  do they have a proper bug tracker ?
[11:22] <kholerabbi> SiDi: Yes, but it's dusty, and not being used much atm
[11:24] <SiDi> kholerabbi, but a blog comment isnt the place for a feature request :P
[11:29] <kholerabbi> A bug report would be great, of course :P
[11:29] <kholerabbi> https://developer.skype.com/jira/browse/SCL seems to be the place, would you be willing to report a bug?
[11:32] <kholerabbi> SiDi: I would do it myself, but I want someone convincing and with real knowledge :P
[11:32] <SiDi> Alright, i'm gonna write it :P
[11:33] <kholerabbi> That's awesome, I believe they have some sort of voting system. So post the link here when you're done =)
[11:33] <SiDi> err i have to create an account and give them my email address :/
[11:33] <SiDi> sorry but i fear i actually cant do it  ^.^
[11:36] <kholerabbi> You don't want to give them your email address?
[11:39] <kholerabbi> SiDi: https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount ;)
[11:39] <SiDi> :)
[11:43] <kholerabbi> Ah, I have to go, g'night.
[13:50]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[16:48] <rickspencer3> djsiegel_: I meant my last reply to our ayatana mail good naturedly ... but I'm worried it didn't come off that way
[16:48] <rickspencer3> I seriously meant that I defer to your judgement on the topic
[16:48] <rickspencer3> :)
[17:09] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: no, no problem
[17:09] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: but remember, I am the design team
[17:10] <djsiegel_> so saying "let's defer to the pros/the design team" kind of implies that you are talking about someone else
[17:10] <djsiegel_> I am on the design team, rather
[17:11] <rickspencer3> djsiegel_: I meant the design team, as "the pros"
[17:12] <rickspencer3> I meant "the pros *on* the design team"
[17:12] <rickspencer3> :/
[17:12] <djsiegel_> does that include me?
[17:12] <rickspencer3> yes, of course
[17:12] <djsiegel_> ok, just checking :)
[17:12] <rickspencer3> sorry
[17:12] <rickspencer3> don't know what's the matter with me today
[17:12] <djsiegel_> just wasn't sure who you were referring to :)
[17:12]  * rickspencer3 untangles virtual tongue
[17:13] <djsiegel_> lol, don't worry about it
[17:13] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[17:13] <rickspencer3> I suck so badly
[17:13] <rickspencer3> to be clear, for the record ...
[17:13] <djsiegel_> No you don't.
[17:13]  * djsiegel_ hugs rick
[17:13] <rickspencer3> I meant to day, I was deferring the decision specifically to you, as you are the professional designer
[17:14]  * rickspencer3 hugs back
[17:16] <mac_v> mat_t: lol , awesome title
[17:19] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: have you seen Kupfer?
[17:19] <rickspencer3> I don't think so
[17:19]  * rickspencer3 googles
[17:20] <djsiegel_> rickspencer3: it's a GNOME Do port to python, basically. It looks like it's going to be a pretty popular project, and right now they don't have a PPA or anything. Maybe you could introduce them to quickly?
[17:20] <djsiegel_> They get a PPA and other cool quickly features, and their users/new devs get introduced to quickly?
[17:20] <rickspencer3> djsiegel_: sounds good
[17:20] <rickspencer3> right
[17:20] <rickspencer3> I would wait until after feature freeze, if I were they
[17:21] <rickspencer3> as quickly is waiting for desktopcouch to settle down before release 0.2
[17:21] <rickspencer3> though if they want to get started right away, they should grab 0.2 from the ppa, rather than 0.1 from universe
[17:21] <djsiegel_> ok
[17:21] <rickspencer3> I'll be working on the release tutorial in the next couple of days
[17:22] <rickspencer3> unfortunately there is some complexity with setting up pgp keys before you can upload
[17:23] <SiDi> rickspencer3, does quickly also have packaging tools ?
[17:23] <rickspencer3> SiDi: yes
[17:23] <rickspencer3> there is $quickly package ... which will make a deb
[17:23] <rickspencer3> and $quickly release ... which will make a ppa
[17:23] <SiDi> Do they allow splitting a source tarball into several binary packages based on different paths ? :P
[17:23] <rickspencer3> SiDi: don't know
[17:23] <rickspencer3> I doubt it
[17:24] <rickspencer3> you could ask didrocks in #quickly
[17:24] <rickspencer3> that seems like an advanced scenario, though
[17:26] <SiDi> :(
[17:35]  * MacSlow -> capoeira-break
[17:35]  * SiDi hides
[18:03] <mat_t> mac_v: thx ;)
[18:03] <mat_t> djsiegel_: can you have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/418703? I'm not sure what packages are guilty here
[18:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418703 in hundredpapercuts "Busy mouse cursor flickers like mad" [Undecided,New]
[18:04] <djsiegel_> hmm
[18:04] <djsiegel_> I can look, mat_t, but I am not sure I will find :)
[18:04] <mat_t> :)
[18:05] <mat_t> that's where we all are - in the perpetual spiral of seek-and-hide
[18:05] <mat_t> :P
[18:05]  * SiDi thinks very strongly about Intel's GPU drivers.
[18:06] <mac_v> mat_t: AFAIK , that is actually a graphics card issue ,xorg
[18:06] <mac_v> mat_t: not a papercut actually ;p
[18:06] <SiDi> anything but a papercut :D
[18:06] <mat_t> mac_v: cool, can you re-link it?
[18:06] <mat_t> mac_v: I want to keep it as a bug *somewhere*
[18:07] <mac_v> mat_t: i dont know the graphics card for dell mini9 , might wanna get a second opinion from bryce though :)
[18:07] <mat_t> mac_v: thx
[18:07] <SiDi> want me to re-set it ?
[18:08] <SiDi> to xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[18:08] <mac_v> SiDi: if its intel yup :)
[18:08] <mat_t> thx SiDi
[18:09]  * mat_t go home
[18:09] <mac_v> mat_t: speaks like ET ;p
[18:09] <mat_t> bye everyone, see ya'll tomorrow
[18:09] <SiDi> its a GMA950 afaik
[18:09] <mat_t> mac_v: nice catch
[18:09] <SiDi> see you mat_t
[18:09] <mat_t> ;)
[18:11] <SiDi> aw, im not in n-o's top contributors anymore :( :p
[22:54] <mrooney|w> djsiegel_: if I make a 60 second or so screen cast of an application I'm working on, and specifically a feature in it, would you be able to give me a quick review of what is good and bad?
[22:55] <mrooney|w> or is there another person who might?
[23:00] <SiDi> mrooney|w, ? :D
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> hey all, im wondering.. for Indicator Applet to support apps.. they they have to support minimizing to try natively.. or will indicator applet do this for apps that don't have native support for that?
[23:06] <bcurtiswx> if that needs to be worded differently please let me know that as well :-\
[23:10] <SiDi> bcurtiswx, you need to use the libindicate dbus api to communicate with it, afaik
[23:10] <SiDi> and you dont need to do anything related to tray icon
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> i think the MPT wants to implement empathy into the IA, but its not done yet.  Thanks for the help
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> may be good to do that, with empathy going deafult IM client
[23:16] <djsiegel_> mrooney|w: yes sir
[23:17] <mac_v> djsiegel_: did you have a look at this > Bug #417593
[23:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 417593 in gnome-applets "Sticky Notes [mouse behavior] not consistent with system-wide behavior" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417593
[23:20] <djsiegel_> mac_v, hmm, I don't think it;s a paper cut
[23:20] <djsiegel_> we install tomboy by default
[23:20] <mac_v> djsiegel_: sticky notes is also in the default
[23:20] <djsiegel_> which is the de jure sticky note default app
[23:21] <djsiegel_> right, but, with a highly discoverable notes app
[23:21] <mac_v> djsiegel_:  its in the panel applets
[23:21] <djsiegel_> and a not easily discoverable app
[23:21] <djsiegel_> mac_v, yeah I know all the facts
[23:21] <djsiegel_> I really don't think this affects many users
[23:21] <mac_v> ok... we'll leave it as such
[23:21] <djsiegel_> the average user would not encounter this
[23:21] <djsiegel_> Maybe 1 in 1000 would ?
[23:21] <djsiegel_> fewer?
[23:22] <djsiegel_> I would say this does not alleviate a pain for more than 1 in 1000 users
[23:22] <mac_v> djsiegel_: if we fall short , we can use it ?
[23:22] <djsiegel_> very safe statement
[23:22] <djsiegel_> no, it's just too puny
[23:22] <djsiegel_> if we fall short, we fall short
[23:22] <djsiegel_> let's not count this one
[23:22] <mac_v> no probs
[23:22] <djsiegel_> good bug, but not a (good) paper cut
[23:22] <djsiegel_> cool
[23:45] <SiDi> mrooney|w, if you want me to have a look at it feel free to mail it to me (sidnioulz AT gmail DOT com)


[01:37] <ramsudharsan> I guess I have come to the right place
[01:37] <ramsudharsan> Is this development forum?
[01:44] <ramsudharsan> I need some answers regarding Kernel
[14:54] <gcl5_cp> ubuntu 14.4 come without MIME type to png images
[14:56] <gcl5_cp> Change(open with in File Proterties) doesn't work
[14:56] <gcl5_cp> Change(open with in File Proterties) do nothing
[21:27] <t0by> Hi - I'm sorry, but is it a bug or a feature that a window with Gdk.WindowTypeHint.DIALOG still has the minimize button in Ubuntu 14.04?


[00:07] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2002255 in lubuntu-update-notifier (Ubuntu Jammy) "lubuntu-update-notifier provides no good way to resolve a forcibly terminated system update" [Critical, Fix Committed]
[00:38] <arraybolt3> I wonder what happens if I modify the file first and then try it...
[00:39] <arraybolt3> +1
[00:47] <arraybolt3> Makes sense. I'm sure I will get used to it, and to some degree I have.
[00:59] <arraybolt3> K, will do that.
[18:21] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Well, I just thoroughly embarrassed myself. There's no need for a PPA package or anything to verify the SRU in Kinetic. Just open up /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup in Vim, type some random junk into one of the comments, save it, and then do the upgrade.
[18:21] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> Reproduces the prompt like a charm.
[18:21] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> I did it immediately before running the full upgrade.
[18:25] <lubot_> [matrix] <arraybolt3> So I'm now doing verification on Kinetic.


[07:58] <fabbione> braddr_: it's much more fun if you just do make -j
[07:58] <braddr_> heh
[07:59] <braddr_> I figured 2x cpu's is probably good enough.. but yes, I'll give that a whirl.
[07:59] <braddr_> this is the first build I've done on the box, and it's having to do a bunch of configure scripts run, really limiting the parallelism.
[08:00] <fabbione> i can imagine
[08:00] <braddr_> after it finishes, a make clean; make ought to get much more opportunity
[08:01] <braddr_> any word from davem?  I assume he's still wrestling gdb and mono to the ground.
[08:01] <fabbione> he is fighting with a bad cold
[08:02] <fabbione> so he is not hacking much around
[08:37] <braddr_> 370 processes: 213 sleeping, 139 running, 1 zombie, 17 on cpu
[08:37] <braddr_> yes, unrestricted make -j is kinda fun
[08:42] <fabbione> braddr_: when we started testing Niagara, davem was soft with -j32
[08:43] <fabbione> after i started with -j 512 we found all kind of smp bugs :P
[08:43] <braddr_> heh
[08:43] <braddr_> not suprisingly, solaris is holding up quite well under the load
[08:43] <fabbione> we do too now
[08:44] <braddr_> I'm willing to be convinced. :)
[08:44] <fabbione> i have been sort of bashed by my boss, because nagios woke up the sysadmins due to "a few machines complaining load over 1000"
[08:45] <fabbione> (i was preparing a kernel security release a few months back)
[08:45] <braddr_> whee
[08:45] <fabbione> well i was make -j on all arches at the same time
[08:45] <fabbione> :)
[08:45] <braddr_> with that kinda load, you're wasting an awful lot of time in context swapping
[08:46] <braddr_> ok, maybe not a lot, but..
[08:46] <braddr_> 11m build for gcc 4.0.3 for c,c++
[08:47] <braddr_> pretty decent
[08:47] <fabbione> point is that i was more waiting for I/O
[08:47] <fabbione> since the kernel was already in ccache
[11:06] <braddr_> fabbione: re: that 16 cpu t2000.. I'll be keeping it rather than getting the 32 cpu version.  Not worth the hassle to get the right model.
[11:07] <braddr_> so no worries about loosing the test case
[11:09] <braddr_> exactly the nose of a 16 cpu box.. in both of the cases for the t2000 series, its 1 physical core.
[11:09] <braddr_> er.. 1 physical unit, just a varying number of cores.
[11:10] <braddr_> the t2000 hardware is _nice_, from a physical layout standpoint.


[00:12] <Orioa> to the ones helping me earlier it is working so thank you verry much
[00:13] <ochosi> Orioa: glad to hear
[00:13] <ochosi> holstein: ^
[00:13] <Orioa> i was about to give up
[00:13] <Orioa> but im glad i didn't
[00:14] <ochosi> good good, it's often the little things
[00:19] <Orioa> that what drive you crazy
[00:19] <Orioa> lol
[00:32] <xubuntu691> when in recovery mode, I cannot reinstall xubuntu, states read-only mode
[00:33] <bekks> xubuntu691: It doesnt make any sense to reinstall in rescue mode. Rescue mode is for rescue, not for reinstall :)
[00:33] <xubuntu691> You're blowing my mind, obviously I am new to this - so I cannot tell the difference
[00:34] <xubuntu691> The smilies don't ease the sarcasm, xubuntu loads into a blank screen - nothing.
[00:34] <bekks> !nomodeset
[00:35] <xubuntu691> Wow, I can see I am fucked. Atleast I can't get pregnant....I sincerely appreciate you two tring to help - I'll go read LINUX FOR DUMMIES (ME)
[00:35] <xubuntu691> Peace to you all
[00:36] <xubuntu691> trying*
[00:36] <knome> xubuntu691, please watch the language
[00:36] <xubuntu691> i watched it alright -
[00:36] <xubuntu691> so 4 year old virgin ears are going to be in linux discussion forums
[00:36] <knome> this is a family-friendly channel; you have agreed to follow the guidelines when joining this channel
[00:36] <xubuntu691> now's my chance!!!!! ---->>>> we live in a world wear swear words and middle fingers cause more of an uproar that disease, famine, war
[00:37] <bekks> We live in a world were people set you on ignore.
[00:37] <xubuntu691> DARN -  you got me
[00:37] <xubuntu691> ignore me, haha, for some WORDS? give me a break
[01:51] <xubuntu585> hi, spanish chat?
[01:51] <holstein> !es
[01:51] <genii> !es
[01:51] <xubuntu585> muchas gracias
[01:51]  * genii gives holstein the winning coffee
[01:52] <holstein> genii: :) ...i *love* coffee!
[01:52] <genii> What's not to love? ;)
[02:41] <rot> Hi, I just got done installing on my iMac and the CD won't eject :( I get the following error when I "eject" : eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[02:41] <rot> any ideas ?
[02:41] <holstein> rot: i had to physically work it out.. without software
[02:42] <rot> no kidding?
[02:42] <holstein> rot: correct.. i am not kidding.. the drive failed, and is broken now
[02:42] <rot> this worked in ubuntu earlier, i'm pretty sure
[02:42] <holstein> rot: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[02:42] <holstein> try the physical eject.. try other media
[02:43] <rot> right, i installed another version before once and the disk popped out, no error
[02:43] <holstein> rot: mine worked until it stopped working.. but it was/is mostly hardware related
[02:43] <rot> aite, thanks, going in :P
[02:44] <holstein> rot: i can get it to work, but its tricky.. and i dont put anything in there that i dont mind messing up or getting it stuck
[02:45] <Unit193> Paperclip.
[05:40] <mmcdaris> Yo!
[05:41] <mmcdaris> I am trying to install xubuntu 12.04 on a freshly assembled machine
[05:41] <mmcdaris> my first attempt failed with 12.10
[05:43] <mmcdaris> Do I need to be connected to a network?
[05:52] <Unit193> Only if you're using mini.iso, otherwise it's just useful.
[06:07] <mmcdaris> I am installing from a usb
[06:07] <mmcdaris> after I did https://gist.github.com/mmcdaris/7818913
[06:07] <mmcdaris> I think it is going to work now while connected to the network
[06:12] <Unit193> The iso is hybrid, btw.  Not using 12.04 or 13.10?
[06:19] <mmcdaris> It worked! I am using 12.10
[06:20] <mmcdaris> Thank you Unit193
[07:40] <VanessaE> good morning.  Anyone awake to help with a rather obscure suspend/resume crash issue?
[07:42] <VanessaE> I've already done the usual googling, which has produced a few candidates, but the "obscure" part is what concerns me, and which is what I can't even begin to figure out where to start looking for a solution.
[07:42] <ObrienDave> well, no one else can help you if we don't know what the issue/messages are
[07:43] <VanessaE> I have two machines, with two completely different hardware profiles.  One is based on an ASRock motherboard, the other on an ASUS.  Both have a Phenom II X6 processor, 16GB on one machine, 4GB on the other.  Both hard-lock on resume from suspend.
[07:43] <VanessaE> (wait, there's more :) )
[07:44] <VanessaE> they both lock up less often (perhaps not at all, I didn't test enough to be sure of this) if neither one has to contend with the other being off/suspended when it's on its way up.
[07:44] <VanessaE> Now for the obscure part:
[07:45] <VanessaE> on one machine, which has only Xubuntu plus numerous routine apps, the lockup manifests as a black, blank screen and hard-lock (REISUB does nothing, I have to use the reset button).
[07:45] <VanessaE> on the other machine, it is also Xubuntu but it ALSO has a full GNOME install on it as that machine's user has some Gnome apps he uses.
[07:46] <VanessaE> he NEVER boots into Gnome - always into XFCE.  When the machine comes up from suspend, it hard-locks BUT IT SHOWS A GNOME DISPLAY.
[07:46] <XATRIX> Hi, i have the following lines in a boot.log:
[07:46] <XATRIX> speech-dispatcher disabled; edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
[07:46] <XATRIX> saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned
[07:47] <VanessaE> those last six words are the obscure part - how on earth could a machine running XFCE possibly be bringing up a Gnome Lock Screen just prior to the freeze?
[07:48] <VanessaE> it resembles this, except that the blue part is also black:  http://linuxlibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gnome-desktop-38-3.jpg
[07:48] <VanessaE> (e.g. all that's visible is the title bar)
[07:48] <VanessaE> (and no mouse)
[07:49] <VanessaE> my machine is the one which displays nothing whatsoever when it freeze on resume - maybe because I don't have Gnome installed.
[07:50] <sku1d> VanessaE: that's going to have something to do with systemd. you find rules under /etc/systemd/. systemd controls for example, which programs have to be restarted after a suspend, but the possibility exists to define rules, what to do before suspending as well.
[07:50] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: all of the above spew is why I asked - I haven't the faintest clue how to get logs or error messages off of either machine since they both hard-lock.
[07:51] <VanessaE> sku1d: systemd eh?  I had a feeling it may be related.  that came up after some searching.  I read a report of a fix targeted at 13.11 (!) but nothing suggesting a fix for 13.10
[07:51] <ObrienDave> VanessaE, well, certainly a mouthful :) LOL BTW there is no 13.11
[07:51] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: right, that's what I thought.
[07:52] <VanessaE> I presumed "13.11" was some equally obscure shorthand for "13.10 + 1" e.g. 14.04
[07:52] <ObrienDave> i must admit, i don't know enough about the internal workings to be of any help. sorry
[07:53] <VanessaE> sku1d: so a glitch in systemd could cause a Gnome desktop to be forced to come into being on resume?
[07:53] <VanessaE> (I've never dug into systemd's config)
[07:53] <fajfarde> Hello there I woudl like to ask a simple question. Why is my nano editor ignoring the .nanorc file and only using /etc/nanorc?
[07:53]  * VanessaE boots up the machine with Gnome...
[07:54] <fajfarde> The problem is that I have all the sytax highlighting includes in the local one.
[07:56] <ObrienDave> VanessaE, are these 2 networked now? and having gnome installed should not make a difference, i would think
[07:56] <VanessaE> sku1d: I don't see anything in the Gnome-laden machine's /etc/systemd tree that would suggest anything to do with that desktop.
[07:57] <fajfarde> No one hawing this problem or a fix?
[07:57] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: indeed they are.  GigE cable between them, simple static LAN IPs.  Iptables to share internet connectivity. nothing fancy.
[07:58] <ObrienDave> VanessaE, is it a crossover cable? a normal cable will NOT work
[07:58] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: it is not, however gigE has automatic crossover.
[07:58] <ObrienDave> ok, cool
[08:01] <sku1d> VanessaE: i am just guessing, but have a look here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/423516
[08:01] <VanessaE> sku1d: another thing I found among my searches is that some weird bug on some systems that use fglrx causes a machine to attempt to swap out pretty much everything in RAM on resume from S3 suspend.... except neither of these machines has any swap (we don't need it).  The bug seemed rather old though.  Possible cause of the lockup?
[08:02] <VanessaE> looking..
[08:03] <ObrienDave> i think suspend/hibernate need a swap partition to function. could be a cause
[08:03] <VanessaE> hibernate does.  suspend does not.
[08:03] <VanessaE> (or is not supposed to)
[08:04] <sku1d> your xfce-session might load gnome-power manager, especially if you have selected to "launch gnome services on startup" under "settings manager"-> "session and startup", so that both of the two try to prepare the suspend
[08:04] <VanessaE> sku1d: interesting bug, not sure how ... ooooohhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <VanessaE> as a matter of fact, I believe both machines are configured to load Gnome services (mine does have some gnome libs, just not the full install that the other has)
[08:05] <XATRIX> Hi, i have the following lines in a boot.log:
[08:05] <XATRIX> speech-dispatcher disabled; edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
[08:05] <XATRIX> saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned
[08:05] <XATRIX> Do i need to fix it or i can leave it as is ?
[08:06] <VanessaE> indeed, the Gnome-laden machine shows a "Power Manager" in the session tab.
[08:06] <sku1d> XATRIX: nothing wrong with saned, but you can disable it with sudo systemctl disable saned
[08:07] <ObrienDave> gnome and xfce shoud not interfere with each other. I run gnome srevices also. no problems here
[08:07] <VanessaE> the machine that lacks full Gnome does not have this applet loaded (as expected)
[08:07] <sku1d> :)
[08:07] <XATRIX> sku1d: saned is a scanner interface ?
[08:07] <sku1d> yeah. mostly used for scanning over network
[08:08] <sku1d> but that can be started using inetd as well
[08:08] <VanessaE> hm, nope.  That's XFCE's power manager.
[08:08] <VanessaE> still, both machines were configured to load gnome services.
[08:09] <ObrienDave> mine loads both gnome and kde services. not an issue here
[08:10] <sku1d> VanessaE: its hard to disable gnome services since many apps use gtk. i would try to disable the xfce power manager, just to make sure. you can manually suspend the system with systemctl suspend
[08:10] <VanessaE> I note that my machine does not have that applet loaded, yet it still offers the ability to suspend via the menu.
[08:12] <sku1d> VanessaE: the applet is independent from the daemon, which causes the problem in my opinion.
[08:12] <VanessaE> also, these are desktop machines, btw, so the double-suspend triggered by lid closure as in #423516 doesn't apply here
[08:12] <VanessaE> oh ok
[08:12] <sku1d> the applet does nothing, but calling systemctl suspend so to say
[08:14] <VanessaE> right.  that makes sense.
[08:15] <VanessaE> what does the daemon do that `systemctl suspend` (and for that matter, `pm-suspend`) doesn't?
[08:15] <VanessaE> (or the converse)
[08:15] <sku1d> i cannot think of anything
[08:16] <VanessaE> hm
[08:16] <VanessaE> ok, I'm gonna try suspending it.  My guess is it'll come back up since my machine is up at the moment.
[08:17] <XATRIX> Also, i have trouble during restart of my netbook. I can't simply restart it. Only shutdown/start . When i do restart, my system shuts down all the processes, and then do the system reset(as it always should) but i see the back screen with the BIOS POST start.
[08:17] <XATRIX> Only power button shutdown, then start can help to wake the device
[08:17] <XATRIX> Maybe the kernel issue
[08:18] <XATRIX> Maybe i can downgrade the kernel for some versions before ?
[08:18] <sku1d> VanessaE: it looks as if the suspend scripts write data to ~/.cache/sessions
[08:18] <VanessaE> ok, I tried to suspend the machine.  It went down normally.  Came back up, showed the screen as it existed when it went down, and promptly locked up hard.
[08:18] <VanessaE> it's still sitting there, hard-locked and not answering to ssh.
[08:19] <VanessaE> (destination host unreachable/no route to host)
[08:19] <sku1d> VanessaE: oh i didn't get that before.
[08:19] <VanessaE> network manager briefly showed "disconnected, you are now offline" on the frozen machine just before it went down.  in fact, it locked up while it was half-way through fading the notification away
[08:20] <VanessaE> s/went down/hard locked/
[08:21] <VanessaE> what should I do?
[08:21] <sku1d> reboot and read the kernel.log under /var/log/kernel or /var/log/messages (don't know how xubuntu calls it)
[08:22] <VanessaE> had to reset.  it didn't respond to SysRq/REISUB.
[08:22] <VanessaE> on its way up.
[08:23] <VanessaE> well there's a kern.log and also syslog
[08:25] <sku1d> kern.log will probably be right
[08:26] <sku1d> i believe you gonna find the network failure (as you mentioned last seen) in there
[08:33] <xubuntu644> ho a atodos
[08:33] <xubuntu644> hola :3
[08:33] <Unit193> !es
[08:41] <VanessaE> that was weird.
[08:41] <VanessaE> Ok, I've got something
[08:41] <VanessaE> how much of my text did you get?
[08:46] <VanessaE> I switched to a text console, ordered it to suspend via `pm-suspend`.  Brought it back up.  The console initially came up dead BUT I was able to ssh in.  After attempting to switch VTs a couple of times, I was able to get the X display to show up and it seems fine.
[08:46] <VanessaE> dmesg has this:
[08:46] <VanessaE> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6528792/
[08:46] <VanessaE> note lines 80 and beyond
[08:46] <VanessaE> does this mean anything to you?
[08:57] <VanessaE> http://askubuntu.com/questions/369683/13-10-hangs-on-waking-from-suspend-except-when-suspended-from-console
[08:57] <VanessaE> this is an exact match for my symptoms described earlier (except trade out "close the lid" for "use the menu options")
[10:16] <sonne> greetings!
[10:17] <sonne> after upgrading to 13.10 my sound icon in the indicator plugin is now greyed out, with '---' on the side of the speaker drawing
[10:17] <sonne> however the sound works like a charm, i just can't control it from the tray
[10:17] <sonne> any ideas on what could have gone wrong?
[10:27] <ObrienDave> sonne, that "sound icon" is not the volume control ;)
[10:28] <sonne> but it used to be...
[10:28] <sonne> as in... i scroll the wheel to turn it up and down :)
[10:28] <koegs> sonne: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade
[10:28] <ObrienDave> yea, I know, I have the same icon
[10:29] <sonne> ah there it is
[10:30] <ochosi> ObrienDave: weird, your wallpaper submission is just black..
[10:30] <sonne> well thank you!
[10:30] <sonne> :)
[10:30] <ObrienDave> dang, I learn something new everyday ;))
[10:30] <ObrienDave> strange, looks ok to me. let me clear cache
[10:32] <ochosi> ObrienDave: this is how it looks to me in firefox: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12062013-113218am.php
[10:33] <ObrienDave> LOL that's dark green, not black ;)
[10:34] <ochosi> right, my monitor here sucks
[10:34] <ObrienDave> just checked in firefox, thumbnail and fullsize look ok
[10:34] <ochosi> so this is not how it's supposed to look i presume?
[10:35] <ObrienDave> supposed to be like dark green muddy water with ripples
[10:36] <ObrienDave> your screenshot looks correct to me :)
[10:38] <ObrienDave> ochosi, I checked screenshot with firefox and chrome, both look correct
[10:39] <koegs> same here, only black
[10:39] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, too deep for me
[10:40] <koegs> ah, in full size, you can get an idea of it :D
[10:40] <ObrienDave> strange, darn, well, we'll try to lighten it up
[10:40] <ObrienDave> yea, the thumbnail really lacks for detail ;)
[10:42] <ObrienDave> hence the name "Dirty Water" :) Just occurred to me, the lead singer for the Standells passed away a few days ago. He sang "Dirty Water" mid 60's
[10:44] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, well, dark green
[10:49] <ObrienDave> koegs, that worked, thanks ;)
[10:53] <ochosi> ObrienDave: just take my comment as feedback: on bad monitors your wallpaper will be more or less black
[10:54] <ObrienDave> that's cool, no prob. I just prefer darker colors. bright screens give me a headache. appreciate the feedback :))
[10:55] <ochosi> alrighty
[11:10] <mmcdaris> I am only getting ~300 Kh/s from each of my r9 280x's
[11:10] <mmcdaris> and suggestion?
[11:11] <mmcdaris> whoa  there is a bit more umph now
[11:29] <ObrienDave> mmcdaris, not much in the way of mining rig support on this channel ;P
[11:51] <mmcdaris> thats cool
[11:51] <mmcdaris> I am sure I will figure it out through trial and error
[12:03] <mmcdaris> so If you click cash out without an address what happens?
[12:05] <ObrienDave> no clue. might go to the pool, might just *poof*. i don't really know
[12:06] <mmcdaris> o well ;)
[12:07] <ObrienDave> hear about the guy that threw out a hard drive with 7.5 Million dollars worth of bitcoin on it? ROFL
[12:11] <mmcdaris> silly silly, there is a guy looking for a hard drive in the dump
[12:11] <mmcdaris> one man's treasure... becomes his trash
[13:24] <MtDewFella> Hello
[13:24] <cfhowlett> MtDewFella, greetings
[13:24] <MtDewFella> I'm having an issue adjusting brightness on my laoptop running xubuntu 13.10
[13:24] <MtDewFella> laptop
[13:25] <MtDewFella> whenever I use the brightness keys, the brightness changes but it also freezes the system
[13:26] <MtDewFella> The only way to change brightness is to use xrandr from the cli, but I would like to  have a gui or keyboard shortcuts
[13:27] <MtDewFella> it's also worth noting that this happens in all linux distros except lxde based ones
[13:27] <MtDewFella> so any Ideas
[13:31] <cfhowlett> MtDewFella, good write up.  sorry, NO idea what's going on.  that last note about lxde threw me completely.  So: install lubuntu?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> MtDewFella, otherwise @ask in #ubuntu - more eyes
[13:32] <MtDewFella> so there is no brightness gui for xrandr or a way to bind keys to xrandr
[13:37] <koegs> MtDewFella: you can bind custom commands to keys
[16:10] <e-DIO-t> ohai, any known issue about the default user not logging through de? ( no problem in bash  - Xauth has the right permissions - any other user works properly )
[16:20] <GridCube> e-DIO-t, probably .Xauthority is corrupted, or either it could be .ICEauthority, i recommend you to delete them both and let them respawn on your next login
[16:21] <e-DIO-t> GridCube: allready tryied with no result. The strangest thing is that if i create another user, there's no problem.
[16:22] <e-DIO-t> i "solved" creating deleting default user and creating it back again via root
[16:22] <e-DIO-t> but well, is not a solution :D
[16:22] <Sysi> xfce session and settings might also have been corrupted
[16:23] <e-DIO-t> Sysi: should I, in that case, be unable to login with any user?
[16:24] <Sysi> no if user's conf is corrupted
[16:25] <e-DIO-t> but... default user's conf corrupted in two different installs ?
[16:25] <Sysi> that doesn't sound so probable
[16:25] <GridCube> e-DIO-t, if the .config on your ~/ get corrupted only the user is affected
[16:26] <e-DIO-t> but just happened: i first tought it was an encrypted-home issue, so i makde another fresh install without it
[16:26] <e-DIO-t> having the same problem
[16:26] <GridCube> it might happen if you inherit incorrect configus
[16:27] <e-DIO-t> mmmh
[16:40] <e-DIO-t> mmmh fyi: it's somehow related to encryptfs. made another fresh install without encryption and ..voilà, it works.
[16:41] <GridCube> e-DIO-t, care to send a bug report?
[16:42] <e-DIO-t> GridCube:  as soon I gather some 'structured' infoes
[18:07] <sku1d> does anybody have a clue how to configure ksh so that one can use CTRL+left to jump before the word (ksh standard is META-B for that)
[18:23] <GridCube> sku1d, http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix3/korn/ch10_03.htm
[18:23] <GridCube> ?¿?
[18:24] <sku1d> GridCube: thx. i found something alike, but cannot figure out, how to find out the value for this mystical .sh.edchar-variable
[18:25] <GridCube> no idea
[18:25] <GridCube> isnt there a ksh channel?
[18:26] <sku1d> GridCube: good idea
[19:27] <slickymaster> knome, regarding https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrontPageRefresh
[19:28] <slickymaster> there's something  I've noticed. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromLinux hasn't been edited/updated since 2010
[19:33] <xubuntu949> hello everybody
[19:34] <xubuntu949> anyone there?
[19:35] <knome> !anyone | xubuntu949
[19:39] <xubuntu949> sorry, my question was "when i want to change a default software on firefox that appear when i download something, i don't know where to find the new software i want to use"
[19:39] <knome> xubuntu949, are you trying to install new software?
[19:39] <xubuntu949> no
[19:40] <knome> xubuntu949, right, you mean the mimetypes
[19:40] <knome> xubuntu949, first, you shouldn't have to do that manually (the applications that can open certain types of files should be in the proposed list), but you can find most of the binaries in /usr/bin
[19:40] <knome> xubuntu949, what kind of files are you trying to open?
[19:42] <xubuntu949> torrent, i just want to change to another that i have install but don't appear
[19:44] <knome> look in /usr/bin/ for the binary
[19:45] <xubuntu949> i have just try out and it work thanks <knome>
[19:45] <knome> np, enjoy
[19:52] <photon> Will Xubuntu 14.04 LTS also be supported for 5 years (instead of the previous 3 years)?
[19:53] <pleia2> photon: no, only 3
[19:53] <photon> Then the Wikipedia page is wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu#Xubuntu_14.04_LTS
[19:53] <pleia2> indeed it is, care to fix it?
[19:54] <photon> I will. Is there any reliable source I can quote?
[19:54] <photon> pleia2 on freenode doesn't count :p
[19:55] <pleia2> it's in our strategy document, sec
[19:55] <pleia2> photon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Release_and_Support_Cycles
[19:55] <pleia2> "The Xubuntu release cycle consists of 6 months from start to release, then an additional 9 month of maintenance for standard releases and 3 years of support for LTS releases."
[19:56] <pleia2> and thank you :)
[19:57] <pleia2> the wikipedia page still has the odd "Despite this, the project members indicated that Xubuntu 12.04 would go ahead as scheduled." under History too
[19:57] <pleia2> that was long ago!
[20:00] <knome> photon, ta! if you're willing to help us update the page in general, please join #xubuntu-devel and stick :)
[20:16] <photon> Fixed it. Concerning the "Despite this, ..." paragraph, I don't find it odd at all, its wording is still accurate today (It just describes what was indicated in the past, plus it's in the History section). Btw, you're free to change what you don't like on WP, you don't even need to register and it's really easy.
[20:17] <photon> @knome: I'm absolutely willing to help, but I'm short on time right now, and I don't want to make a half-arsed attempt at updating the page that will more likely make it worse. :p When I have more time on my hands I will come back and try to help.
[20:18] <knome> photon, that's appreciated. cheers :)
[20:36] <CreamedChicken> Hello! I just purchased a new laptop with integrated Intel HD 4000 graphics. I haven't downloaded Xubuntu yet, but which version should I get, and how would I get the drivers for my graphics card?
[20:36] <CreamedChicken> Google says 12.04 doesn't support SNA natively, so should I get 13.10 instead?
[20:40] <sonne> CreamedChicken, not sure about your specific case, but 13.10 will have better support for newer hardware... unless you need an LTS i'd go for 13.10
[20:42] <CreamedChicken> I guess I'll go for 13.10 then, but is there anything specific I need to do for graphic drivers? Like this? https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=13815
[20:43] <CreamedChicken> Or this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/intel-linux-graphics-installer.html
[20:46] <newguy> anyone online?
[20:47] <newguy> Guys?
[21:34] <mio6> hey guys, what is a good RSS reader for Xubuntu or linux generally? Also related - what fees should I really subscribe to?
[21:37] <knome> i use thunderbird to aggregate my feeds since i also use it for mail everyday
[21:37] <knome> but generally, since your needs might vary, it's really hard to say what is a good/the best reader
[21:38] <mio6> oh, feeds regarding linux of course :-)
[21:38] <mio6> and xubuntu I figure, as I am a xubuntu user
[21:38] <knome> mio6, http://xubuntu.org/feed/
[21:39] <mio6> great, thank you. sorry for the noob questions, I'm just starting with rss. p.s. what is the rss status btw? I know it's been developed long time ago, are there many rss users? any statistics to be found? (a bit off topic i hope it's ok)
[21:40] <knome> i would guess many people use rss and/or other feeds, even without knowing they do; it's a powerful way to exchanged "news"-style data
[21:41] <knome> i don't think there are any statistics apart from how many people follow a specific feed
[21:41] <mio6> knome: "even without knowing they do" -- what do you mean by that?
[21:41] <Unit193> I use newsbeuter.
[21:42] <knome> i'm pretty sure many smartphone applications etc. use rss/some other feed mechanism, but it's not presented as such to their users
[21:42] <mio6> oh, sounds reasonable
[21:43] <mio6> however besides programmers or people who deal with computers everyday (hobbists enthusaists etc.), I've never heard casual people use rss or even know what it is
[21:45] <knome> mio6, we should continue this discussion on #xubuntu-offtopic (if you want to discuss that, or any other topic outside support questions)
[21:46] <mio6> knome: certainly, I wondered if off topic is allowed and that answers it. Thanks for your time :-)
[21:47] <knome> no problem, welcome to -offtopic!
[22:02] <xubuntu877> Anyone from Jersey here?
[22:02] <knome> xubuntu877, this is the support channel, you should take the general discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:03] <xubuntu877> got it
[22:21] <xubuntu441> how long does it take to install xubuntu?
[22:21] <bekks> xubuntu441: about 20 minutes on recent hardware
[22:21] <xubuntu441> I've been waiting for this for 20mins now
[22:22] <xubuntu441> My CD rom isn't doing /spinning anymore
[22:22] <xubuntu441> There's no progress bar - should there be?
[22:22] <bekks> Where is "there"?
[22:22] <xubuntu441> I've got this thank you screen with a mouse
[22:23] <xubuntu441> installation screens
[22:36] <Orioa> evening
[22:38] <Tom____> I am skepticle if I should get Xubuntu
[22:39] <knome> ok. do you have a question?
[22:40] <Tom____> Well, when I install it will it remove everything I have installed/wipe my hard drive?
[22:41] <GridCube> what do you mean?
[22:41] <knome> Tom____, depends how you install, but you should always take backups of any important data before you install
[22:42] <Tom____> Alright
[22:42] <Tom____> Because I would like to keep my stuff xD
[23:14] <poeticrpm> anyone have any idea why I cant get an application to autostart when xfce starts up? Ive put a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart linked to a simple bash script.
[23:15] <poeticrpm> I have checked that the box allowing it to run as an executable is marked, and the script itself is very simple
[23:16] <poeticrpm> it literally just launches pytyle2
[23:16] <poeticrpm> #!/bin/sh       (next line----->) pytyle2
[23:24] <bekks> poeticrpm: use the full path to pytyle2
[23:25] <poeticrpm> bekks: thanks, ill give that a shot. Why does the script work when executed on its own?
[23:26] <bekks> Try it, maybe my approach doesnt work too :)
[23:27] <poeticrpm> gonna give it a shot.. brb
[23:31] <Tom____> I am new to Ubuntu/Xubunu and would like to know if I can run Xubuntu alongside Windows
[23:31] <knome> !dualboot
[23:31] <Tom____> Someone told me that I could chose when booting up my computer
[23:31] <Tom____> *choose
[23:31] <knome> Tom____, see the instructions on those urls
[23:32] <Tom____> Alright
[23:32] <Tom____> THanks
[23:32] <knome> that should at least get you started
[23:35] <Tom____> Thanks for the links but how can I get a recovery cd/dvd?
[23:35] <knome> for windows?
[23:35] <Tom____> Yes
[23:36] <knome> ask your PC provider if you haven't got one
[23:36] <Tom____> Okay


[12:31] <jrwren> anyone know for sure where to put the https://make-linux-fast-again.com line?
[12:33] <jrwren> ah. https://linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_make_Linux_run_blazing_fast_(again)_on_Intel_CPUs
[12:34] <jrwren> mitigations=off much shorter in /etc/sysconfig/grub
[15:17] <jrwren> TIL: you can get 2600 magazine as a kind sub
[15:17] <jrwren> *kindle sub*
[15:21] <rick_h_> cool
[15:23] <cmaloney> That's cool
[15:24] <cmaloney> now you'll know how to hack your grades


[00:21] <sebas> mhb: It's the peeing in the pool problem.
[00:21] <Riddell> eww
[00:21] <sebas> If 1 person does it, it makes up for 1000 not doing it.
[00:23] <sebas> Another problem is that some people don't think about the effect of their words.
[00:23] <sebas> If anyone posting on blog or dot would think 3 seconds if a) he would say the same if it were a personal / physical dialogue, and b) what he himself would feel if he got such feedback, the world would be a better place.
[00:26] <nixternal> sebas: I would say the same on my blog if it was mean and rude, except to you...you look like a big dude...I might have to hire Riddell and a few people to help out :p
[00:26] <nixternal> s/same on my blog/same in person
[00:28] <nixternal> I have the good water treatment in my pool...whoever pees in it will get noticed right away, as they will have a greenish area around them :)
[00:28] <Jucato> (you're all big dudes...)
[00:28] <Jucato> (morning!!)
[00:28] <nixternal> and I am trying to get bigger...it just isn't working
[00:28] <nixternal> mornin'
[00:31] <sebas> nixternal: HEhe
[00:33] <Riddell> nixternal: alpha 1 page looks great.  I removed some bits about LTS since that might not apply.  I think alpha 1 will be released shortly so I'll remove the disclaimer at the top then
[00:35] <nixternal> Riddell: groovy
[00:39] <claydoh> congrats apachelogger!
[00:42] <Riddell> let apachelogger be an inspiration to everyone, you can all be MOTU
[00:43] <coreymon77> huh?
[00:45] <nixternal> heck, I should be an inspiration for future MOTUs...I am a MOTU and still have no idea what I am doing :p
[00:46] <claydoh> lol then I could fit right in then :)
[00:46] <coreymon77> i dont even know that that is
[00:46] <coreymon77> so, i beat all of you
[00:46] <claydoh> I used to whip up some rather simple rpm packages for Lycoris
[00:46]  * Riddell pokes claydoh into doing some merges
[00:47] <claydoh> then I saw 'real' rpm files and was boggled
[00:47] <claydoh> I don't hinkI remember s single bit about rpms, good thin I an not using that type of sysrwnm :)
[00:47] <claydoh> I don't think rather
[00:48] <nixternal> rpms sucked to package a while back...I think SUSE helped out making it easier with their build system
[00:48] <claydoh> gimme a how to or something and i can try :)
[00:48] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU
[00:48] <nixternal> there are a bunch of them there :)
[00:49] <claydoh> well the ones I did were rather simple, even wine's wasn't to difficult, but I tink they were all rmp v2, v3 seemed way more complex
[00:49] <claydoh> at least many and suses had more scripting involved
[00:49] <claydoh> errr mandy and suse
[00:52] <claydoh> ok no more typing for me till I get a light over here, sorry
[00:58] <nixternal> ls
[00:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[00:58] <nixternal> what a moron...forgot I was in irssi
[00:59]  * coreymon77 agrees
[01:13] <Riddell> so, who's going to merge kdiff3?
[01:14] <nixternal> I can do that
[01:15] <nixternal> looks like an easy enough merge
[04:56] <nixternal> way to quiet in here
[04:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:58] <Hobbsee> everyone's preparing for the meeting
[05:01] <nixternal> 6 hours from now :)
[05:01]  * nixternal will be fast asleep
[05:03] <nixternal> and tomorrow I am giving 3 talks: KDE 4 (30 min), Developing Kubuntu (30 min), and Open Education (30 min)
[05:03] <nixternal> and we are expecting a huge ice/snow storm, looking forward to it :(
[05:07] <nixternal> Riddell: kdiff3 merge uploaded!
[05:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you have to come anyway :P
[05:08] <nixternal> at 5am? I will be there in spirit :)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:11] <nixternal> it is tough to make class at 10am let alone 5am
[10:32]  * Hobbsee waves
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Kubuntu meeting in 20 minute
[10:41] <Hobbsee> s
[10:41] <Jucato> oh...
[10:41] <Jucato> that's tonight?
[10:42]  * Jucato is really out of it
[10:42] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:42] <Jucato> good thing we finished dinner early :/
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:42]  * Hobbsee has dinner here
[10:43] <Jucato> :)
[10:50] <marseillai> Riddell: i don't know if this error is known but logwatch tell me this every days :
[10:50] <marseillai> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
[10:50] <marseillai> error: kdm-kde4:1 duplicate log entry for /var/log/kdm.log
[10:50] <marseillai> run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1
[10:50] <marseillai> just to report it
[10:52] <Riddell> marseillai: ok, should be fixable easily enough
[10:52] <Riddell> I need to fix the postinst script for that too
[10:52] <marseillai> Riddell: it's not really annoying ... just logwatch report me that so i report to you...
[10:57] <Riddell> allee: do you have plans for the libgphoto2 merge?
[11:00] <allee> Riddell: not yet, top item is currently fai.  Is there a new libgphoto release?
[11:01] <Tonio_> hi !!
[11:01] <Jucato> meeting time
[11:01] <Tonio_> meeting now ?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:01] <allee> Tonio_: YES!
[11:01] <Jucato> yep
[11:02] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[11:02] <Jucato> stdin: ping
[11:02] <stdin> Jucato: pong
[11:02] <Tonio_> let's go
[11:02] <Jucato> ok just checking :)
[11:02] <stdin> yep, I'm alive :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: already started ?
[11:03] <stdin> just starting/started
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: just starting
[11:03] <Tonio_> oki
[11:10] <mhb> ooh
[11:11] <Riddell> morning mhb
[11:11] <mhb> sorry I am late
[11:33] <Riddell> kwwii: don't forget your family!
[11:33] <kwwii> Riddell: they are going to take the bus, I called :-)
[11:35] <sebastian^> good morning everybody
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hi
[11:37] <sebastian^> hmm one really stupid question ...
[11:37] <sebastian^> the kubuntu booting screen only appears on 64bit systems ...?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> ...no?
[11:38] <mhb> sebastian^: no, it appears on both
[11:38] <sebastian^> great, the i have a bug on two different systems where i386 is running
[11:38] <Jucato> it appears in my dreams sometimes too :/
[11:39]  * Jucato wonders if nixternal is awake now :)
[11:39] <sebastian^> one 64bit laptop and one 32bit desktop system, both with i386. then i will take a look these days why ... :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: he wasn't planning to be
[11:39] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[11:40]  * Jucato was planning to call him as prosecution's witness :)
[11:42] <Jucato> oh we really will end up maintaining/developing D3lphin ourselves from now on. https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin
[11:42] <Jucato> (unless we could get marcel into Kubuntu to help us)
[11:43]  * Hobbsee headdseks
[11:43] <Jucato> :)
[11:43]  * Jucato just read that now... should have tried looking for it earlier
[11:43] <Hobbsee> why oh why are forums people not skilled enough to realise what is an email address, and waht is a http(s) link?
[11:44] <Jucato> O.o
[11:44] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=627717#post3870983
[11:44] <Jucato> oh ubuntuforums...
[11:44]  * Jucato closes
[11:44] <Jucato> hehe j/k :P
[11:45] <Jucato> lol
[11:52] <mhb> heh, being away from the computer is the way I was late :o)
[11:52] <mhb> err, is the reason
[11:53]  * Jucato was almost away from the computer....and in front of the dinner table :)
[11:53]  * mhb went seeking, but didnt find it
[11:54]  * jpatrick goes to find some food
[11:54]  * Jucato eats jpatrick...
[12:05] <Jucato> dthacker: I suggest KubuntuTeamReport as the name. much closer to  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports :D
[12:05] <stdin> Jucato: how about Kubuntu/TeamReport ?
[12:06] <Jucato> sure :) then you can add it to the "Table of Contents" in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ :D
[12:06] <stdin> I have one good idea a month, and I used it on the 1st :p
[12:06] <ardchoille> lol
[12:07] <Jucato> lol
[12:11] <imbrandon> Riddell / Tonio_ : ok i have the dolphin kde3 + ark issues totaly fixed localy, ok to upload dolphin now or are we still in alpha-1 freeze ?
[12:12] <dthacker> hey, it's the first and we already have good news!
[12:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_: folders OR files compressable now, and with zip/gzip/bzip2 :)
[12:12] <ardchoille> Nice!
[12:13] <jpatrick> mhb: ^^ :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I can upload
[12:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: also can you ;)
[12:13] <imbrandon> yea i CAN upload, more i was asking if we was still in the freeze or if someone else had more to add
[12:13] <imbrandon> mhb: ^^
[12:13] <Jucato> how about the image manipulation context menus? not sure if they;re from imagemagick or graphicsmagick
[12:14] <imbrandon> Jucato: give me a list and i'll work on it, i guess i'm the new dolphin context menu person :)
[12:14] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:14] <Jucato> imbrandon: basically the problem is those non-servicemenu context menus installed by other apps. :(
[12:15] <imbrandon> so Riddell / Tonio_ / Hobbsee / mhb : safe for me to upload at this time ?
[12:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yep for me
[12:15] <imbrandon> Jucato: i can still look at those
[12:15] <imbrandon> Jucato: just send a list to my email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:15] <Jucato> ok
[12:15] <imbrandon> of TODO's , or better yet file bugs and point me to them
[12:15] <imbrandon> :)
[12:16] <Jucato> will do :)
[12:16]  * Jucato hasn't gotten around to his adept bug hunting spree yet :(
[12:16] <Jucato> real life sucks!
[12:17] <mhb> hmm...
[12:17] <mhb> what would you as a developers want? Better D3lphin or more marketing?
[12:17] <waylandbill> ok. it's been a while. how do I get the latest d3lphin sources? it's in a bazaar repository is it not?
[12:18] <jpatrick> mhb: better dolphin to market later
[12:18] <Jucato> apt-get source dolphin
[12:19] <Jucato> mhb: better d3lphin... we can have more people to do marketing than people to do developing :)
[12:19] <stdin> it's easier to market a working product
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> ^.^
[12:19] <waylandbill> Jucato: I know that, but is that the one to examine for possible changes? I'd think a head version would be wanted right?
[12:20] <Jucato> ah. that I don't know :P
[12:22] <dthacker> I'm a bSo based on the discussions at UDS, which I've only heard third and fourth hand, what have we lost from Canonical and what do we need to replace?
[12:22] <dthacker> in the marketing department.
[12:22] <mhb> dthacker: they dont promote us at all, basically
[12:23] <mhb> we are sometimes in their press releases in the end
[12:23] <mhb> but nothing else
[12:24] <Jucato> (but considering what Xubuntu's position is right now... we're lucky...)
[12:25] <dthacker> sounds like we need a marketing spec, and then start to recruit.
[12:25] <Jucato> (recruitment is one of my agenda topics I guess...)
[12:26] <jpatrick> dthacker: that's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMarketing from last year basically
[12:26]  * dthacker reads
[12:28] <dthacker> yes, we want to fill out that page.  Is this appropriate to discuss on the current marketing ML?
[12:29]  * dthacker notes that the meeting has reached 90 minutes and is losing momentum.
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> wait....it started an over hour ago I was late?aaa!
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> #$%^ UTC
[12:30] <stdin>  11:00 UTC
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> which is 7 EST?
[12:31] <Jucato> dthacker: considering our last meeting was quite a long time ago...
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> or.... was that with.. DST
[12:31] <stdin> UTC doesn't have DST
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> but EST does
[12:32] <dthacker> mhb: how much of a parallel universe do we need to build?
[12:34] <waylandbill> 11:00 UTC was 6:00 EST (EDT has expired)
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> yea....I got kinda mixed up :(
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> oh well, I couldn't have been there at 6 anyway :D
[12:38] <mhb> dthacker: the goal is to promote the idea that Kubuntu and Ubuntu are equals
[12:39] <mhb> dthacker: if you like KDE, and you want Ubuntu quality, go for Kubuntu
[12:39] <mhb> dthacker: not "we have a community branch for KDE called Kubuntu, but Ubuntu is way polished and better for you
[12:39] <mhb> "
[12:39] <Jucato> (but in reality...we are not.. and trying to leave up to that "promotion" is one thing's that killing us)
[12:39] <imbrandon> mhb: just uploaded the ark fix, i'll ping you tomarrow about the other issues
[12:39] <imbrandon> dolphin (0.9.2-0ubuntu3) hardy; urgency=low
[12:39] <imbrandon>   * added kubuntu_07_ark_contextmenu.diff
[12:39] <imbrandon>     fixes file compression for files and folders
[12:39] <imbrandon>     also adds .zip file support
[12:40] <mhb> imbrandon: okay, thanks!
[12:40] <mhb> Jucato: they are not equals, but we are doing the most to bring Ubuntu philosophy with KDE, and we are quite good at it
[12:40] <mhb> Jucato: I dont see a reason why we should market it in a different way
[12:41] <imbrandon> Tonio_: try out that fix at first chance you get , to see if that is exactly what you ment, but i have a feeling it was
[12:41] <imbrandon> gnight all
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> Lure: what do you want me to do with my power-manager patch? should I introduce a check?
[12:43] <Lure> nosrednaekim: I think we should either: 1) check that only one unit is actually used by HAL, 2) introduce check and act accordingly
[12:44] <nosrednaekim> 2) is probably the best, since the DOCs seem to hint that more than one measurment can be given. I already wrote up a patch to check, needs two lines in powermanager.py though.
[12:45] <mhb> I am sorry, but I have to go
[12:45] <mhb> see you folks
[12:45] <Lure> nosrednaekim: that is better
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> see ya mhb
[12:46] <sebastian^> ciao mhb
[12:54]  * claydoh suffered from the Blunt Fist of Spouse
[12:54] <jpatrick> claydoh: ouch
[12:54] <claydoh> who'd think that 6am wakeups were bad :)
[12:55] <jpatrick> I woke up exactly 11UTC
[12:55] <claydoh> she did not appreciate my keyboard clickety clicks at that hour
[12:55] <claydoh> and I suffered the consequences
[12:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:56] <Hobbsee> poor claydoh
[12:56] <claydoh> luckily the fist is purely figurative, else I would need some pin killers
[12:56] <claydoh> pain killers
[12:56] <claydoh> nah, not poor, just didn't ask or communicate
[13:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what are you up to with stdin's membership?
[13:18] <Riddell> txwikinger: how long do you recon you can do an irc talk about bug triage for?
[13:18] <txwikinger> Hmm.. .let me have a look at the material that is already there
[13:19] <Jucato> whew
[13:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done it
[13:19] <txwikinger> I think it should be more or less the same as the general bug triage
[13:19] <txwikinger> And it probably depends on the questions ask
[13:19] <txwikinger> ed
[13:20] <txwikinger> what about 0.5h Riddell?
[13:22] <Riddell> txwikinger: great, I'll put you down, thanks
[13:22] <txwikinger> np Riddell
[13:28] <Tonio__> re
[13:28] <Tonio__> is knetworkmanager working for yo ?
[13:28] <Tonio__> it stoped detecting my network cards since yesterday
[13:28] <Tonio_> I didn't see any specific update causing the trouble.......
[13:30] <Tonio_> ** (nm-applet:6840): WARNING **: <WARN>  nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service.  dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.24" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
[13:30] <Tonio_> ouch........
[13:38] <Riddell> txwikinger: works for me
[13:58] <Riddell> Tonio_ rather
[14:02] <txwikinger> :)
[14:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: knetworkmanager has the same issue
[14:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: even changing the "default" to "allow".....
[14:03] <Tonio__> Riddell: what do you mean by "rather" ?
[14:03] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'm unsure that means positive or negative in that case :)
[14:05] <Jucato> hm. ardochille's gone... dthacker, I made https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReport already, so you can start adding and editing or whatever :)
[14:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: works for me
[14:06] <dthacker> Jucato: Ok,  I added myself as a reporter on the Ubuntu teams page as well.
[14:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect I broke something yesterday......
[14:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: Opportunity to test alpha I'd say ;)
[14:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: just as an evidence kubuntu isn't the same status than ubuntu :
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Ubuntu)
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Kubuntu)
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Edubuntu)
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/jeos/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Ubuntu JeOS)
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Xubuntu)
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/gobuntu/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (Gobuntu)
[14:09] <Tonio_>   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/hardy/alpha-1/ (UbuntuStudio)
[14:09] <Tonio_> look at the urls
[14:09] <Tonio_> standard ubuntu -> separate from the others
[14:10] <Tonio_> that may not mean a lot, but the all this is making kubuntu a de facto derivative, although I don't agree it is....
[14:10] <Tonio_> everything is typically done as if it was
[14:11] <Tonio_> sorry for the copy paste....
[14:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test the alternate cd today
[14:13] <Riddell> that's always annoyed me
[14:13] <Riddell> although not sufficiently enough to complain
[14:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course, but it's a lot of little things like this that make people considering kubuntu a derivative
[14:15] <Tonio_> hard to fight against this without a deep change in the way canonical communicates....
[14:16] <Tonio_> each point is not enough to complain, but group them, we have reasons to...
[16:21] <nixternal> YES! finally Kubuntu Marketing! I would kill to work on that one, even turn it into a final project for my business/marketing degree
[16:21] <nixternal> Riddell: if you want to start working on something, let me know and I can whip up some ideas
[16:29] <Jucato> nixternal: do you already have some ideas in mind? :)
[16:32] <nixternal> always have ideas in mind
[16:36] <Jucato> :)
[16:37] <alleeHol> Riddell: about system-config-printer:  Anything beyond the wireframe images done?   So a) one has to learn qtdesigner and get used with s-c-p backend code
[16:38] <alleeHol> b) implement it ;)
[17:10] <alleeHol> seele: ^^ ?
[18:10] <seele> alleeHol: mmm?
[18:38] <buz> jpatrick: i tried the latest luks update
[18:38] <buz> i now get to see encrypted devices in media:/ but can't open them
[20:19] <mhb> I am so sorry I am late
[20:23] <nixternal> ARGH! who broke my sound? send them to me, they must pay! :p
[20:24] <txwikinger> hehe.. have you shotgun ready? :)
[20:25] <nixternal> oh ya
[20:26] <mhb> sound better than heart
[20:27] <ScottK> How was the meeting today.
[20:27] <mhb> ScottK: hmm, not really groundbreaking
[20:28] <ScottK> OK.
[20:28] <mhb> ScottK: not even soundbreaking or heartbreaking
[20:28] <ScottK> Glad I didn't get up early then (it was at 7AM here).
[20:28] <davmor2> hey guys.  I'm having an issue with kdesudo in system setting in hardy.
[20:33] <mhb> davmor2: bug submitted?
[20:34] <davmor2> I'll double check I think I did but things were a little hectic
[20:36] <nixternal> ScottK: 6am for you :)
[20:36] <nixternal> 5am for me :(
[20:36]  * ScottK thought is was Noon UTC?
[20:36] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^
[20:37] <nixternal> 11:00 UTC
[20:37] <ScottK> Ah.  Even more glad I didn't get up at 7AM to find I'd missed the meeting then.
[20:40] <imbrandon> moins all
[20:40] <davmor2> mhb I have now bug 173319
[20:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173319 in kdesudo "kdesudo seems to be broken in system setting in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173319
[20:40] <imbrandon> mhb: do we have a current working list of prioritizd dolphin bugs ( other than tralling LP ofcourse ) , if not thats fine just wanted to know where we stand
[20:41] <mhb> imbrandon: we dont have anything that isnt on LP
[20:41] <imbrandon> cool cool okies
[20:41] <ScottK> imbrandon: Please kill the fish.
[20:41] <mhb> imbrandon: I did some triage there ages ago, but not much... feel free to prioritize yourself.
[20:41] <imbrandon> k
[20:42] <imbrandon> ScottK: ?
[20:42] <ScottK> kdelibs (IIRC) drives Dolph3n and Konqueror to default to the Fish protocol for an 'ssh' connection.  I think it's a bad idea.
[20:42] <mhb> ScottK: it is not a fish, btw
[20:43] <ScottK> imbrandon: Should use SFTP by default.
[20:43] <imbrandon> mhb: i'm gonna check how the ubuntu3 build went while i slept, most of these important but small fixes can be -backports canidates ( but i'd like to get as many done as possible as to not be backporting every two days )
[20:43] <mhb> ScottK: oh, you mean "the" fish, not the fish.. :o)
[20:43] <ScottK> mhb: Agreed, but it was funnier the way I said it.
[20:43] <imbrandon> ScottK: ahh ok, yea i'll look into that
[20:43] <ScottK> imbrandon: Thanks.  There is a bug on it in LP.  Marked invalid against Dolph3n and active against kdelibs.
[20:44] <imbrandon> k
[20:47] <imbrandon> mhb: also we should probably get stdin to grab those desktop files i fixed for dolphin3 and port/copy them to dolphin4
[20:48] <nixternal> is there a way to get sftp to use your ~/.ssh/config file? I hate having to type in everything when using sftp
[20:48] <nixternal> with fish, I just do fish://svr1
[20:53] <imbrandon> ScottK: after a bit of searching i dont see the bug, can you give me a bug # when you get a moment
[20:53]  * ScottK looks
[20:54] <ScottK> imbrandon: Bug 133957
[20:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133957 in kdelibs "Dolphin uses fish: instead of sftp: for "SSH" connections" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133957
[20:54] <imbrandon> killer thanks
[20:55] <ScottK> No problem.  Thanks for looking into it.
[21:04] <imbrandon> ScottK: where did you comeup with x-wizard_service.desktop ?
[21:04] <ScottK> imbrandon: I don't remember.  It was a while ago.
[21:05] <imbrandon> ahh, i see that no where in the distro ( via packages.u.c )
[21:05]  * imbrandon digs some more
[21:05] <imbrandon> this might need to wait untill this evening when i can get at my kubuntu install ( on ubuntu atm )
[21:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[21:06]  * ScottK exhausted his limited knowledge of KDE stuff to get as far as he did.
[21:09]  * mhb
[21:09] <mhb> is exhausted, too :o)
[21:11] <ryanakca> imbrandon: x-wizard_service.desktop is in the source package for a 3.x kdebase or kdenetwork, iirc... I had found it a while back...
[21:12]  * ryanakca hunts too
[21:22] <imbrandon> ryanakca: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=x-wizard_service.desktop&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[21:57] <coreymon_> hi everyone
[21:57] <coreymon_> so, what happened at the meeting/
[21:57] <coreymon_> ?
[22:01] <jpatrick> coreymon77: nothing too eventful
[22:10] <ryanakca> imbrandon: *shrugs*
[22:14] <imbrandon> ryanakca: :) np i'll dig more here in a few hours
[22:15] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[22:32] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Found it!
[22:32] <imbrandon> ryanakca: cool, where ?
[22:32] <ryanakca> imbrandon: it's an alias to knetattach.desktop
[22:32] <imbrandon> ahh makes sense, sweet ok
[22:32] <ryanakca> imbrandon: umm... dunno where it originates from... I just right clicked the item in remote:/ and copied to home folder.
[22:33] <imbrandon> ryanakca: got it :)
[22:34] <imbrandon> imbrandon@hood:~$ apt-file search knetattach.desktop
[22:34] <imbrandon> app-install-data: usr/share/app-install/desktop/knetattach.desktop
[22:34] <imbrandon> kde4base-data: usr/lib/kde4/share/applications/kde4/knetattach.desktop
[22:34] <imbrandon> kdebase-bin: usr/share/applications/kde/knetattach.desktop
[22:34] <imbrandon> imbrandon@hood:~$
[22:34] <imbrandon> :)
[23:39] <mhb> kde4 delayed, who would have known? :o)
[23:40] <mhb> I hereby thank our Riddle & Gossip Department!


[00:55] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg, xnox: did either of you managed to figure out why the ghc/armhf build took so very long?
[01:38] <mwhudson> what https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils64/1+c3
[04:01] <RAOF> I agree. Wat?
[04:17] <mwhudson> it doesn't list any architecures ubuntu builds for
[04:17] <mwhudson> which is fairly special
[08:16] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, yes, sure
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg> I did https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg> upload 8.8.4 to groovy, and 8.6.5 (no change rebuild) to focal
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg> the groovy build is still ongoing, while the no-change rebuild to focal of the focal version took ~1 day
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg> now, I backported 8.8.4 to focal, and I'm trying to see if it makes any difference
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg> building 8.8.4 to groovy with gcc-9 didn't help in speeding it up
[08:29] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[08:30] <Laney> If someone has time, can you please make the "canonical-oem-metapackage-uploaders" team, add it to the ACL for the "canonical-oem-metapackages" packageset, and then transfer ownership of that set to ~ubuntu-archive?
[08:30] <Laney> all per https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-August/001555.html
[08:30] <Laney> I'm just mentoring FourDollars through writing the required script
[08:32] <Laney> Ah, the team will also need a PPA, can that be created, something like "oem-metapackage-staging"
[08:34] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, unfortunately looks like armhf still sucks at remaining up and running for some days... so retry button is being hit hard
[09:03] <sem2peie> hello, may I ask again about my WiFi problem? maybe someone can see if I filled out the ticket correctly, I wasn't sure which packages are relevant
[09:04] <sem2peie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1895333
[09:37] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: hmmm
[09:42] <rbasak> Laney: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-oem-metapackage-uploaders
[09:42] <rbasak> Sorry I thought I reported back to the thread that I'd done that, but it looks like I didn't
[09:43] <Laney> rbasak: ah, cheers, that's step 1 and 2 already done then
[09:46] <rbasak> Laney: I have no objection in principle to hand the packageset over to ~ubuntu-archive to maintain. However the DMB hasn't moved to do that yet. I'd personally like to see some reference documentation on that first, and for ~ubuntu-archive and the DMB to then agree to whatever gets documented.
[09:46] <rbasak> Laney: separately I think the DMB need uploader applicants for the new team?
[09:49] <Laney> Yeah.
[09:49] <Laney> Is the script reference documentation enough for you, or something else?
[09:50] <Laney> I was just looking at code, that's why I asked, because if we run it currently then it won't have permissions of course
[09:50] <Laney> but I guess not a real issue until we're signed off
[09:55] <Laney> (I'm going to poke FourDollars to apply once we're done with the script)
[09:55] <rbasak> I don't mind where the documentation lives
[09:57] <rbasak> I'd like the social bits documented - what the DMB and ~ubuntu-archive respectively agree to do, what limitations to their actions apply, etc.
[09:58] <Laney> alright
[09:58] <Laney> I think the emails contain most of that already, and we can turn that into a wiki page
[09:58] <rbasak> For the DMB I documented the existence of the packageset at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Canonical_OEM_metapackage_packageset but that's DMB-specific. The script would be a good place to document the detail of the AA/DMB relationship I guess - then both teams can link there
[09:58] <rbasak> Or the wiki, sure :)
[10:25] <Laney> slyon: hey, for your info, I just noticed that netplan.io's ppc64el test runs are failing to complete - have just deployed a fix that will make this soon report as a regression instead of endlessly retrying
[10:25] <Laney> looks like it never comes back after the "cloud_init_generate" reboot
[10:28] <slyon> Thanks Laney! I already talked with Steve and Balint about this problem and I'm currently trying to properly fix this "cloud_init_generate" reboot test... Could you point me to the fix you deployed?
[10:30] <Laney> k
[10:30] <Laney> you might not be very impressed by it :-)
[10:30] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/autopkgtest-cloud/commit/?id=2260be83beb6928e74da09df69f0b12c9ecf5194
[10:42] <slyon> thank you!
[12:22] <xnox> slyon:  somehow i feel instead of reboot test, it should start lxd container and do things to it.
[12:23] <xnox> or something like that.
[12:23] <xnox> slyon:  cause it looks like we are destroying the VM's networking, and it never comes back.
[12:26] <slyon> xnox: yes... maybe that would be more robust. The broken network/SSH is fixed already in -0ubuntu3 (from my PPA): https://launchpad.net/~slyon/+archive/ubuntu/netplan – But now it fails with "tar: This does not look like a tar archive; autopkgtest-virt-ssh [23:27:12]: copyup destination failed, status 2". I am not yet able to reproduce this locally..
[12:26] <slyon> (see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:27] <slyon> xnox: For an LXD test I would need to modify the base test-class, tho, as the netplan testsuite is playing with several kernel modules, which is not possible inside containers.
[13:32] <ahasenack> didrocks: hi, I updated realmd last week in groovy, with many patches from fedora/upstream
[13:32] <ahasenack> didrocks: adcli is waiting on an FFe
[13:40] <didrocks999> ahasenack: nice! I’ll do some checks on them. thanks for letting me know
[17:01] <bdmurray> waveform: Is there a good spot for bug 1895550?
[17:02] <waveform> bdmurray, I can take a look at replicating that
[17:05] <bdmurray> waveform: I'm more concerned about what bucket to put raspberry pi bugs in
[17:08] <waveform> bdmurray, hmmm - it might be related to either the kernel (which'd be linux-raspi2 for bionic) or firmware (linux-firmware-raspi2 for all releases)
[17:09] <bdmurray> waveform: I thought I'd heard of a forthcoming raspi meta package. Am I remembering correctly?
[17:12] <waveform> bdmurray, yes, although as far as I know that's only for groovy; there'll be a raspi-common seed, and others depending on that but I forget what meta-package gets generated from that
[23:58] <mwhudson> can anyone explain to me why golang-goprotobuf is still in main?
[23:58] <mwhudson> nothing else in main depends on it afaics and it's not seeded
[23:59] <mwhudson> oh it's on component-mismatches :)


[11:42] <arief1> hello
[11:42] <arief1> does anyone here facing this problem before "ALSA driver 'snd_hda_intel' failure"
[12:48] <rsh> hello
[12:51] <rsh> whre to ask questions on ubuntu probs
[13:10] <evilvish> !support | rsh
[13:10] <ubot2> rsh: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[16:20] <maxb> For no reason I'm aware of, nautilus has started attempting to make svn+ssh connections without my bidding. Any ideas how I could figure out why? (maverick)