[04:02] <hallyn> using ppa:maas/stable on xenial, doing createadmin, the first time it failed due to proxy to fetch ssh keys, so i do it again, then it fails with an error message about fetching duplicate keys
[04:03] <hallyn> which is fine if it's the last thing, but not fine if it's skipping some other setup as a result
[04:04] <hallyn> (and it doesn't tell me)
[05:27]  * hallyn looks around for a no_proxy setting
[07:11] <mpontillo> hallyn: don't worry, fetching the keys comes last ;-)
[08:06] <zeestrat> Hey folks, is it possible to migrate from a deb install of a region/rack controller to a snap install? Didn't see anything in the docs about this. I guess the db will be the hard part.
[12:45] <BlackDex> zeestrat: maybe dump the database, and try to import in into the snapped environment. But i don't know if that is possibl
[12:45] <BlackDex> e
[13:20] <roaksoax> zeestrat: i wouldn't move the DB inside the snap
[13:20] <roaksoax> zeestrat: i would use external db and maas from the snaps
[13:21] <roaksoax> zeestrat: that way you, if in the future you decide to grow multiple regions (HA)
[13:21] <roaksoax> you are not constrained by having the DB inside a single snap
[13:36] <zeestrat> roaksoax: Thanks. That sounds like a good approach.
[15:00] <BlackDex> roaksoax: That is nice indeed. Normally if you install maas it installs the database it self and configures it self. But is this different for the snap?
[15:01] <roaksoax> BlackDex: the snap follows hte ssame principles as in the package
[15:01] <roaksoax> BlackDex: the sanp you tell it how you want to configure it
[15:02] <roaksoax> BlackDex: the same way you can do in MAAS installed by the packages, or as you can do in the snap, is forward it to a external DB
[15:02] <BlackDex> ah oke :)
[15:03] <BlackDex> something to tryout in the future :)
[15:03] <BlackDex> good to know
[17:49] <tych0> hey guys, i'm getting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pzj8ycBrXc/
[17:49] <tych0> is there a way i can find out what the actual issue is? is it ECONNREFUSED, or a self signed cert or something?
[17:52] <mup> Bug #1748875 opened: Unable to deploy Bionic on bare-metals with MaaS 2.3.0 <amd64> <apport-bug> <uec-images> <xenial> <cloud-images:Invalid> <MAAS:Fix Committed by andreserl> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged by andreserl> <maas-images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748875>
[17:55] <mup> Bug #1748875 changed: Unable to deploy Bionic on bare-metals with MaaS 2.3.0 <amd64> <apport-bug> <uec-images> <xenial> <cloud-images:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid by andreserl> <maas-images:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748875>
[18:06] <roaksoax> tych0: that seems that there would be no rack controllers that can power on a machine
[18:06] <roaksoax> tych0: e.g. it cannot directly reach it
[18:06] <roaksoax> tych0: /win 4
[18:06] <roaksoax> err
[18:07] <tych0> roaksoax: ok, but what does that mean? is it ECONNREFUSED? or dns doesn't resolve?
[18:08] <tych0> i can wget the url from the rack controller and i see output i expect
[18:08] <tych0> so i'm not sure what's idfferent from maas' environment
[18:11] <roaksoax> tych0: what power type is it ?
[18:11] <tych0> UCS manager
[18:33] <roaksoax> tych0: could be that there's a bug with the ucs manager power type. Are you using IP or DNS ?
[18:34] <tych0> IP
[18:34] <tych0> it's also possible that i have it pointed at the wrong rest API
[18:35] <tych0> but i don't know how to tell really
[18:35] <roaksoax> tych0: if you are using ssl, then yes, since we dont support ssl for power params
[18:36] <tych0> ah, so i need a http:// url?
[18:37] <tych0> this box gives a 301 to the https:// url :(
[18:39] <roaksoax> tych0: yeah http:// url indeed
[18:41] <tych0> ok, so if it enforces https with a redirect, i'm screwed?
[18:42] <hallyn> ugh
[18:42] <hallyn> is it all simple scripts, can it be easily hacked around/
[19:04] <mup> Bug # changed: 1585841, 1642916, 1702527, 1713771, 1729555, 1730626, 1730751, 1730991, 1733923, 1734347, 1735840, 1738478, 1741574, 1741915, 1742137, 1743005, 1744802
[22:45] <tych0> roaksoax: so i just set up an ssl stripping proxy to try and use maas
[22:45] <tych0> and got,
[22:45] <tych0> Error:__init__() missing 4 required positional arguments: 'code', 'msg', 'hdrs', and 'fp'
[22:46] <tych0> i'm trying to find a full stack trace, but no luck so far
[22:47] <roaksoax> tych0: honestly i wouldn't know at this point, as last time we worked with one of those was a while ago and we dont have one in CI
[22:47] <roaksoax> tych0: maybe ucs has updated their API whjich is causing the breakage ?
[22:48] <tych0> ah, ok
[22:48] <tych0> i guess if it's not in CI then it's probably not going to work :)
[22:49] <tych0> roaksoax: ok, cool, thanks!
[22:50] <hallyn> ok but surely
[22:50] <hallyn> surely there is a way to get more detailed logs about where the %$%$% it's failing
[22:51] <hallyn> tych0: are you able to tell whether it manages to connect to the CIMC and start sending msgs?
[22:51] <hallyn> (i suppsoe maybe tcpdump is the way to go here)
[22:52] <hallyn> (if maas doesn't want to help)
[22:52] <tych0> mitmproxy tells you
[22:54] <hallyn> ah
[22:54] <hallyn> ok so the connection is going through, but it fails while talking?
[22:54] <hallyn> so mitmproxy should be able to dump the text of the conversation right?
[22:54] <tych0> no, it's not going through
[22:54] <roaksoax> tych0: are you pointing maas to their xml api endpoint ?
[22:55] <tych0> (but i can see other connections, for example if i use https, maas will complain about a self signed cert)
[22:55] <tych0> roaksoax: well, i'm pointing it to my ssl stripping proxy, which forwards the request with https on to the actual XML api
[22:56] <roaksoax> tych0: right, but for example, looking at the code I see that we add 'nuova' to the URL
[22:56] <tych0> oh, you guys add that?
[22:56] <roaksoax> tych0: yeah
[22:56] <tych0> i've added it in my url
[22:56] <roaksoax>         self.api_url = urllib.parse.urljoin(self.url, 'nuova')
[22:56] <tych0> i'll remove it and check
[22:57] <hallyn> lol
[22:57] <tych0> yeah, same erorr about __init__() missing 4 required positional arguments: 'code', 'msg', 'hdrs', and 'fp'
[22:58] <hallyn> oh - so is that error being passed by the cimc/ucs back to maas?
[22:58] <hallyn> if so then (a) i guess i see and (b) all is lost
[22:58] <tych0> no
[22:58] <tych0> i think the error is in maas before it ever tries to talk to the cimc
[23:01] <tych0> oh, whee
[23:01] <tych0> got them to talk, now i get
[23:01] <tych0> XML PARSING ERROR: The XML API method configResolveClass, has unrecognized child element(s) in the xml request.
[23:01] <roaksoax> tych0: that seems to me that the xml api could have changed since first enabled
[23:02] <tych0> yeah, that error definitely seems like it
[23:04] <tych0> <configResolveClass classId: "computeItem" cookie="1518620578/db1728c5-652d-152d-8003-e8a41a735d00"><inFilter><eq class="computeItem" property="uuid"
[23:04] <tych0> value="2F5D552B-6BD5-4E2D-9B8B-E707032096FA"/></inFilter></configResolveClass>
[23:04] <tych0> is the thing that it doesn't like parsing.
[23:07] <tych0> oh, no, sorry
[23:07] <tych0> that's the request, derp.
[23:07] <tych0> <error cookie="" response="yes" errorCode="ERR-xml-parse-error" invocationResult="594" errorDescr="XML PARSING ERROR: The XML API method configResolveClass, has unrecognized child
[23:07] <tych0> element(s) in the xml request. " />
[23:07] <tych0> the error is from the cimc itself
[23:07] <tych0> it doesn't like the request maas is sending, i guess?


 I guess sinzui is taking care of it- sorry to bother
[20:38] <MTecknology> lifeless: how've you been?
[20:39] <lifeless> I'm not sure sinzui knows about it
[20:39] <lifeless> signing about spammer.
[20:39] <lifeless> MTecknology: good
[20:40] <MTecknology> lifeless: someone already filed the question about him and he responded - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/145042
[20:40] <MTecknology> seems like a lot of spammers recently
[20:53] <slangasek> wgrant: hi, I see a change wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/701383 was included in 11.02, which AIUI was the milestone for the rollout this week; post-rollout we're seeing what seems to be a behavior change with PPAs no longer publishing Packages files for universe and breaking our use of germinate against such a ppa; is this plausible and connected to this change, or is my diagnosis of this error wrong?
[20:57] <lifeless> slangasek: we don't publish universe/multiverse/restricted for any ppas now
[20:57] <slangasek> ok, so this is a change connected to the latest rollout?
[20:57] <lifeless> slangasek: we stopped a couple of months back
[20:57] <slangasek> hmm
[20:57] <lifeless> slangasek: we've now started cleaning up the junk
[20:57] <slangasek> then I wonder why things just started breaking :)
[20:57] <slangasek> ahh
[20:57] <slangasek> ok, thanks
[20:57] <lifeless> bigjools mailed the -users list
[20:58] <slangasek> that tells me where to file the bug, then :)
[20:58] <slangasek> lifeless: sorry, I'm not familiar with that list - link?
[20:58] <slangasek> n/m, seems to be in the obvious place
[20:58] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users
[20:59] <slangasek> yep, ta
[20:59] <lifeless> slangasek: can you fix germinate?
[20:59] <slangasek> SMOP
[20:59] <slangasek> :)
[20:59] <lifeless> cool
[21:00] <slangasek> we'll get it taken care of, thanks
[21:00] <lifeless> the reason was purely performance
[21:01] <slangasek> sure, no objections here - just my pathological need to know what changed before I go changing other things at random ;)
[21:13] <lifeless> a good trait ;)
[21:51] <wgrant> slangasek: that change in particular didn't actually alter anything behaviour. But, as lifeless said, we stopped publishing !main for PPAs in December, and removed all the existing directories a day or two ago.
[22:11] <lifeless> wgrant: I need to shoot, but garbo-hourly is a sad panda
[22:12] <wgrant> lifeless: I know.
[22:12] <wgrant> But ELOSA>
[22:13] <lifeless> 2011-02-12 21:13:21 ERROR   Unhandled exception
[22:13] <lifeless>  -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/64193616/4iAip7obTFC9E7lZYIbhApEg4Pj.txt (duplicate key value violates unique constraint "bugmessage__bug__index__key"
[22:13] <lifeless> )
[22:13] <wgrant> I presumed that was the case.
[22:15] <lifeless> ah, but buildbot sadface
[22:15] <lifeless> slave lost wtf
[22:21] <wgrant> Hah, on both.
[22:21] <lifeless> the deploy
[22:21] <lifeless> I thnk
[23:05] <wgrant> lifeless: I forced both builders, and they seem to be working now.


[09:42] <ljv> hi. i upgraded to ubuntu studio from karmic and now video files are not showing. I get sound, just no video from the open source formats or any other proprietary format. this happens under vlc and the default Movie Player.  internet video works fine
[09:43] <ljv> i am using dual monitors.  twinview. no xinerama
[09:44] <ljv> any thoughts?


[13:57] <LinDol> hi all
[20:52] <LinDol> hi all
[23:55] <Dragon64> Hello, just installed 15.10 beta 1, looks nice! Is this Gnome 3.16? Not sure where to find that info. Is wayland worth playig with yet?


[16:04] <nhaines> Good morning!
[16:05] <nhaines> I ended up sticking around in New York for a couple of days.  A friend had a death in the family and it was just upstate.
[16:05] <nhaines> I'm nearly certainly not going to be able to make it to the meeting tonight, which is too bad because I wanted to talk about the Ubuntu Rally.
[16:06] <nhaines> Can someone host the meeting in my stead?  If not, I'll cancel it, but I think we had some new people who were interested.
[16:06] <nhaines> I'll check back in later today.  Have a great Sunday, everyone!  :)
[16:06] <pleia2> nhaines: hugs
[16:06] <pleia2> it's nice of you to stick around
[16:07] <pleia2> I can chair the meeting
[16:08] <nhaines> pleia2: yeah, it was a fortunate stroke of timing.  I'm glad I was able to stick around, too.  And hey, I got to take a train up!
[16:08] <nhaines> Thanks for doing the meeting tonight. :)
[16:12] <pleia2> no problem, I'm actually home this weekend! (though I do fly out tomorrow, haha)
[16:12] <nhaines> Yay!


[08:26] <bryceh> Sarvatt, heya are you at UDS?
[17:42] <Bernardo> hi
[17:42] <lucazade> hi
[17:43] <Bernardo> lucazade: did you test if the packages now build cleanly?
[17:43] <jcristau> Sarvatt: pushed server 1.8 to debian experimental let me know if it needs changes
[17:44] <lucazade> Bernardo: yes, tested...work perfectly
[17:45] <lucazade> only a thing... psb-firmware in the repo is 0.30 or 0.31?
[17:45] <Bernardo> good... Now let's hope we can track what is wrong with the 3d acceleration
[17:45] <Bernardo> let me check... I think I didn't change that from the tarball you sent me first
[17:48] <Bernardo> the one I have is 0.30
[17:48] <Bernardo> and I assume it is also that one what we have in the repository
[17:49] <lucazade> me too.. in bernardo-debs there is a 0.31
[17:49] <Bernardo> yes
[17:49] <lucazade> maybe a wrong versioning
[17:49] <Bernardo> And I have no idea where I got it from... :)
[17:50] <lucazade> ok ... i'll look if i found it somewhere
[17:50] <Bernardo> From the control file it came from ubuntu mobile
[17:52] <virtuald> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/wayland o.o
[17:52] <virtuald> there's stuff there now
[17:53] <virtuald> what can run on it?
[17:54] <lucazade> Bernardo 0.30 is the correct one
[17:56] <lucazade> i've asked slonua to upload the packages to gma500 ppa and to nicodds to look into poulsbo-config
[17:56] <lucazade> nicodds made the new scripts
[17:56] <lucazade> *script
[17:57] <lucazade> brb
[18:03] <Bernardo> I uploaded our changes to the gma500 ppa today
[18:03] <Bernardo> both repositories should be synched now
[18:05] <Bernardo> now we just need someone that is able to debug xorg... I've tried every method, and either xorg goes to 100% cpu when running under gdb, or I get a incomplete backtrace in Xorg.0.log even if I've added working  debug symbols (load without a complaint in gdb)
[18:33] <RAOF> virtuald: your wayland client options include: a terminal, flowers, glgears, wallpaper.
[18:35] <jcristau> there's gears?  what more could you possibly need? :)
[18:40] <RAOF> jcristau: Gears might not actually work at the moment :)
[18:41] <jcristau> bah
[18:41] <jcristau> that's a shame :)
[18:57] <bjsnider> RAOF, what destiny do you suppose wayland is headed for in the future?
[19:04] <lucazade> Bernardo: this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~gma500/+archive/ppa
[19:05] <virtuald> jcristau: oh no, i need those thousands of fps!
[19:05] <virtuald> /jcristau/RAOF/
[19:43] <Bernardo> lucazade: yes
[19:43] <lucazade> ok thanks
[19:43] <Bernardo> lucazade: I updated the repository for it with our sources today, so it should be in sync
[19:45] <lucazade> are in queue for building in the ppa repo or only in bzr?
[19:53] <Bernardo> only in bzr
[19:53] <Bernardo> I didn't have the time yet to find out how to queue them... :)
[19:58] <lucazade> ah ok.. not so important atm.. :)
[20:37] <lucazade> Bernardo do you where to find a .config file optimized for atom?
[20:46] <Bernardo> I don't... :(
[20:46] <Bernardo> For the kernel, last time I mostly removed unused options (AMD, etc.) and set CPU type to core 2
[20:47] <lucazade> did you get any improvement? what do you think?
[20:48] <Bernardo> to build mplayer I pass as "--extra-cflags" the following "-fno-strict-aliasing -march=core2 -mtune=pentium -mfpmath=sse"
[20:48] <Bernardo> In mplayer I got some improvement, in karmic with vaapi was the last thing needed to have perfect 720p and 1080p films
[20:50] <lucazade> ok.. i'll try to build mplayer with those options.. although i don't watch a lot of movies on it
[20:51] <lucazade> i'd like a better flash plugin to watch to some online streaming
[20:54] <Bernardo> re
[20:54] <lucazade> http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/deprecated/xf86-video-psb/tree/
[20:55] <lucazade> was looking for someone to write to
[20:55] <ilmari> the problem with accellerating flash video is that it composites stuff in RGB on top of it
[20:55] <bjsnider> Bernardo, you've got a poulsbo ppa for lucid?
[20:55] <lucazade> our 3d issue
[20:56] <Bernardo> bjsnider: yes - https://launchpad.net/~gma500/+archive/ppa
[20:56] <Bernardo> bjsnider: we're doing most of our work here - http://code.google.com/p/gma500/ - but I sync to the bzr of that ppa
[20:59] <bjsnider> i've got mplayer and vlc with vaapi and newer ffmpeg in here https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/cutting-edge-multimedia
[20:59] <bjsnider> it should work with poulsbo
[20:59] <Bernardo> With the "GMA500_WORKAROUND"?
[21:00] <bjsnider> yes, those patches are in there
[21:00] <Bernardo> In karmic i386 it worked
[21:00] <bjsnider> i'm about to put gstreamer-vaapi in there too, since gwenole says it work with totem automatically
[21:01] <Bernardo> but I liked to pass those extra-cflags as it allowed to squeeze a little bit more of the system and play videos without flicker
[21:03] <bjsnider> there shouldn't be flicker at all
[21:04] <Bernardo> I had some tearing
[21:04] <Bernardo> but it might be the placebo effect...
[21:04] <Bernardo> Or just that when I tested your mplayer I had more stuff running
[21:11] <bjsnider> but tearing isn't about performance
[21:11] <bjsnider> it's just vsync
[21:11] <bjsnider> does the poulsbo driver do vsync?
[21:13] <lucazade> yes
[21:20] <Bernardo> so jot it down to placebo effect... :)
[21:22] <lucazade> going... see you
[21:30] <Bernardo> me too, good night
[22:34] <lucazade> Bernardo ping
[22:35] <hyperair> hmm sarvatt isn't aroudn.
[22:36] <lucazade> anyone knows why on Lucid i have xorg xserver built on 2.6.24-25 server instead of 2.6.32-22 generic?
[22:36] <lucazade> on a desktop installation
[22:37] <jcristau> because the build machine was running hardy
[22:37] <lucazade> is it normal?
[22:37] <jcristau> yes
[22:37] <lucazade> ok
[22:37] <lucazade> thanks


[04:49] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22268/screenshot_004_6qwQoW.png
[04:50] <dashua> I think I have the steppers working good with OOo :)
[04:50] <dashua> kwwii, Look ok?
[11:37] <mac_v> mat_t: how is adding a new boot [iteration3 ] a trivial edit? no sneaking past me or thorwil ;p
[11:47] <mat_t> haha
[11:47] <mat_t> sorry - this is a habit
[11:48]  * mat_t has done too much wiki editing in the last months
[11:50] <thorwil> lol
[11:55] <thorwil> mat_t: so you remain "Currenly" logged in
[12:06] <mac_v> thorwil: nice catch ... lmao!
[12:07] <mat_t> thorwil: nice :)
[12:08] <mat_t> thorwil: about 50 people looked at it (including sabdfl) *many many times*... Quite astonishing :)
[12:08] <mac_v> that mistake has been in all the 3 version! and no one noticed!
[12:09] <thorwil> mat_t: i first noticed when i created my edit. but wanted to give you the chance to notice yourself :)
[12:09] <mac_v> mat_t: it would be more than 50 , counting all the people who have been watching since iteration 1 !
[12:15] <mat_t> thanks thorwil!
[12:18] <mac_v> mat_t: actually you should be angry with thorwil for not mentioning earlier ;p
[12:20]  * thorwil removes a nice word towards mac_v from the future
[12:20] <mac_v> oh... :(
[12:32] <mac_v> mat_t: i tried with different versions of the flash , but it is not possible to do shades and still maintain the same shade for flash for all the % . IMO changing the shades for different % wouldnt look nice
[13:37] <mat_t> mac_v: not sure what you're referring to
[13:48] <mac_v> mat_t: you said to try gradients for the flash ,[battery notify-osd icons] ^
[13:55] <mac_v> mat_t: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/gradient.svg , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/notification-battery-060-plugged.svg
[13:55] <mat_t> mac_v: ah, yes ? I was out of context there :)
[13:56] <mac_v> mat_t: you can compare the two above^ which is better ? , the gradient is the new one , and the second is the one i sent earlier
[13:57] <mac_v> do note above the 60% , black from the background will make the flash display properly
[14:00]  * mat_t looks
[14:00] <mac_v> rendered png > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/PNG.png
[14:02] <mac_v> first version > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/white.png
[14:03] <mat_t> mac_v: thanks
[14:03] <mac_v> mat_t: which one is better?
[14:04] <mat_t> mac_v: gradient is better, I'd also try making the bolt slightly larger
[14:04] <mat_t> mac_v: and we're good to go :)
[14:04] <mac_v> mat_t: hmm... ok , when do you want the new version?
[14:05] <mat_t> mac_v: kwwii's on holidays until next Friday, I guess he'll be implementing it
[14:06] <mac_v> mat_t: actually after rendering i agree that the gradient is better :)
[14:06] <mat_t> mac_v: :)
[14:06] <mat_t> mac_v: good work
[14:06] <mac_v> thanx :)
[14:27] <mrdoob> hello hello
[14:30] <thorwil> welcome mrdoob
[14:31] <mrdoob> last time I was here was to complain about 8.04 default wallpaper
[14:31] <mrdoob> hehe
[14:31] <mrdoob> it was too late tho
[14:32] <thorwil> mrdoob: complaining rarely works like that. not just here
[14:32] <mrdoob> so the reason why Canonical mockups have a spotlight is because it needs to give a sense of space/depth?
[14:33] <thorwil> mrdoob: so far we don't know which came first: spotlight or the quest for depth ;)  but maybe mat_t is so kind to tell you
[14:36] <mrdoob> thorwil: yeah actually didn't specifically complained, I mainly asked if it the background was official and if it was going to be used on the final
[14:36] <mrdoob> thorwil: ok, will wait to hear from mat_t then
[14:38] <mac_v> mat_t: me have mrdoob here :)
[14:40] <mat_t> hi mrdoob :)
[14:41] <mrdoob> hello :)
[14:42] <mat_t> mrdoob: first of all, great work on the designs!
[14:44] <mrdoob> it's the least I could do
[14:44] <mrdoob> I did it because I've been using ubuntu for a long time already and wanted to give something in exchange
[14:45] <mrdoob> the problem is that I put too much love on it I guess :P
[14:45] <mat_t> mrdoob: we all make that mistake! ;)
[14:48] <mat_t> So the quick story of this concept would be rougly that ? Otto (chaotic) came up with the concept that would enable us to add some depth to the design - mostly because we can't do very much with the gdm itself (it's very flat)
[14:49] <mrdoob> I see
[14:50] <mrdoob> there was basically 2 options when trying to suggest depth
[14:50] <mat_t> also, the metaphor of starting up as "lighting" Ubuntu was nice
[14:50] <mrdoob> light and shadow
[14:50] <mrdoob> light = dark environment
[14:50] <mrdoob> shadow = bright environment
[14:50] <mrdoob> the dark environment has been picked
[14:51] <mrdoob> which in my opinion has a problem
[14:51] <mrdoob> ubuntu/linux is "underground" enough
[14:51] <mrdoob> that doesn't really benefit from a dark environment
[14:51] <mrdoob> apple/microsoft has always focused to brightness
[14:52] <mrdoob> even apple is even going to the galaxy, not that the galaxy is bright, but it's the feeling it produces
[14:52] <mrdoob> in short
[14:52] <mrdoob> right now
[14:52] <mrdoob> ubuntu = lit room
[14:52] <mrdoob> windows = sky
[14:52] <mrdoob> macos = galaxy
[14:53] <mat_t> I think that's fine - Ubuntu should feel close and familiar, but still full of opportunities
[14:54] <mat_t> the choice of default wallpaper will be very important - it should accentuate the opportunities and freedom
[14:58] <mrdoob> ok
[14:58] <mrdoob> let me upload something to illustrate my point
[14:59] <mat_t> mrdoob: it's quite interesting you thought of a room
[14:59] <mrdoob> it's the feeling it gives
[14:59] <mat_t> mrdoob: I'd rather say it's more of a stage that's being set
[15:00] <mac_v> mat_t: default wallpaper , something abstract resembling an oasis at the end of a desert :)
[15:00] <mat_t> mac_v: desert doesn't sound very potent ;)
[15:01] <mac_v> mat_t: yeah , i couldnt think of anything else brown ;p
[15:01] <mrdoob> ok
[15:01] <mac_v> thats y i added the oasis
[15:01] <mrdoob> I guess I'm not supposed to show this... but well, faster than hacking up a new one
[15:01] <mrdoob> http://mrdoob.com/files/temp/ubuntu_lit.png
[15:02] <mrdoob> don't worry about the blue
[15:02] <mrdoob> that's pretty similar to the current mockup
[15:02] <mrdoob> but the environment is lit
[15:02] <mrdoob> it gives much nicer feeling in my opinion
[15:02] <mrdoob> more open, and more sexy
[15:03] <mat_t> yes it is nice - would be interesting to see how you'd resolve the throbber and gdm window
[15:04] <mrdoob> throbber is easy, there is still color spectrum for a lighter element
[15:05] <mrdoob> to be honest, it's much more easier to work on a lit environment than the dark environment you're trying to work with
[15:05] <mrdoob> gdm won't be much of a problem either
[15:08] <mat_t> mrdoob: I think it would be quite tricky to make it feel "ubuntu" without going into good old brown/tan or some kind of dull gray
[15:09] <mrdoob> (15:02:00) mrdoob: don't worry about the blue
[15:09] <mat_t> but it would be great to see the light variant with all the elements
[15:09] <mrdoob> just tint it to brow
[15:09] <mat_t> mrdoob: exactly, that's what worries me :)
[15:10] <mrdoob> there was a gdm, or even a boot some releases ago that was white/brown if I remember correctly
[15:10] <mrdoob> I meant that, from that design, don't worry about the blue tone, is not the point of the design
[15:10] <mrdoob> but the feeling it gives
[15:11] <mat_t> mrdoob: right, but without a complete design there's not much we can say - I'd say it looks nice, but it doesn't really feel "ubuntu"
[15:12] <mac_v> another problem from wiki > " The reason Canonical's mockup (and all of the previous usplash themes) use a black background is because on some video/monitor combinations the usplash image does not fill the entire screen and whatever is not filled shows as black. Microsoft does the same thing in Windows XP and newer (and I had a computer that had this problem with Windows 98, looked really unprofessional). The reason Apple can get away with doin
[15:12] <mac_v> g this with OS X is because they control the hardware. Short version: use a black background on your usplash"
[15:12] <mat_t> mac_v: right, usplash unfortunately has to stay black
[15:12] <mac_v>  not sure how xsplash handles the light elements
[15:13] <mat_t> mac_v: but that's not a primary reason any more
[15:13] <mat_t> xsplash can handle any resolution, so we can use any color we want
[15:13] <mac_v> that was amaranth , i just quoted him
[15:14] <mrdoob> mat_t: ok, I'll try to do a mockup ...
[15:14] <mac_v> wow , thats nice to hear :) so , why not use the light environment?
[15:14] <mac_v> mat_t: ^
[15:14] <mat_t> mrdoob: cool!
[15:15] <mat_t> mac_v: If you can make it looks super-slick, make it feel "ubuntu" and not brown/tan - be my guest :)
[15:16] <mrdoob> mat_t: how does xsplash work?
[15:16] <mac_v> hehe , we have mrdoob for that  , he'll save Karmic :)
[15:16] <mrdoob> I mean, how will treat the design in a 800x600 and in 1920x1200
[15:16] <mat_t> mrdoob: it's just a fullscreen window, with the background, logo and throbber
[15:16] <mrdoob> yeah, but does it crop/resize?
[15:16] <mat_t> mrdoob: we're working out the scaling issues, it will either scale or pick the most appropriate asset
[15:17] <mrdoob> vector/bitmap?
[15:17] <mat_t> bitmap
[15:17] <mrdoob> ok
[15:17] <mrdoob> alright
[15:17] <mat_t> the code is very similar to wallpaper scaling/cropping
[15:18] <mrdoob> ok, I'll get down to this as soon as I get home then
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: try to keep the soft blue. maybe explore very warm green. to then bring in brown tones with the throbber and dialogs
[15:19] <mac_v> mrdoob: try the new shade of iteration3 , black-currant ,
[15:19] <mac_v> :)
[15:20] <mac_v> i mean a very light one though
[15:20] <mrdoob> http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339283110/photos-ubuntu-710_1.jpg
[15:20] <mrdoob> people didn't like that one?
[15:20] <mrdoob> colour-wise
[15:21] <mac_v> mrdoob:  <mat_t>  If you can make it looks super-slick, make it feel "ubuntu" and not brown/tan - be my guest :)
[15:21] <mat_t> mac_v: thanks :)
[15:21] <mac_v> so i guess no brown , :)
[15:21] <mrdoob> that's what I'am asking
[15:21] <mrdoob> what's wrong with brown/tan
[15:21] <mrdoob> brand change?
[15:22] <mat_t> mrdoob: there's nothing inherently wrong with brown
[15:24] <mrdoob> nothing like the feelilng of sand...
[15:24] <mrdoob> :)
[15:25] <mac_v> mrdoob: people have been asking for a change from brown to something else , i guess its being transitioned slowly
[15:26] <mrdoob> ok ok
[15:29] <MadsRH> mrdoob -> looking forward to seeing what you'll come up with ;-)
[15:29] <mat_t> thorwil: good point about ellipsis
[15:30] <mac_v> wow , mat_t only now reading the backlog ? ;p
[15:31] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[15:31]  * mat_t has *many* emails to read :)
[15:34] <MadsRH> mac_v -> What's in the backlog? I've not been online that long
[15:35] <mac_v> MadsRH: thorwil's mail > Login options should not have "...". Menus elsewhere come without.
[15:35] <mac_v> not irc log :)
[15:36] <mac_v> i was just kidding , he had sent it only 2 hrs ago
[15:40] <mrdoob> oh yes, that's another thing, from dael99 comment: "I truly think it should have the release number on the boot"
[15:40] <mrdoob> anything wrong by having the release number on the logo?
[15:42] <MadsRH> mrdoob -> +1 that would make sense
[15:43] <mrdoob> it something that I really miss, everytime I boot ubuntu would be nice to know which ubuntu I'm booting
[15:43] <mac_v> -1 ;p it would throw off the balance[words and number would look odd ] , would be unnecessary to look at the number daily
[15:44] <mrdoob> it doesn't need to be big and bold
[15:44] <mrdoob> just subtle
[15:45] <mac_v> even so , for a logo or advert it might be nice , but as a boot it would look Odd , Just my opinion , but mat_t might have some branding reasons
[15:46] <MadsRH> mac_v -> I don't agree. Windows had that http://z.about.com/d/pcsupport/1/5/P/0/-/-/xpnew18.jpg
[15:46] <mac_v> MadsRH: i used to hate that , PLS dont make me look at such nasty things without warning ;p
[15:47] <MadsRH> mac_v -> :-X
[15:47] <mrdoob> I don't think windows xp is a nasty boot :S
[15:47] <ethana2> mrdoob: ..what?
[15:47] <mac_v> we already know its an XP/vista/ its already labelled but , BTW win7 has dropped it
[15:48] <ethana2> there are two bugs in the dust sand theme
[15:48] <ethana2> I'd like help fixing them myself
[15:49] <MadsRH> mac_v -> right, that Win7 boot is work out great for them. The comment I get the most on my mockups is "it looks great, but looks like Win7" :-/
[15:50] <ethana2> first is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gdm-themes/+bug/350693
[15:50] <mrdoob> mac_v: but windows releases a new version every 2/3 years, and changes the design in each
[15:50] <mrdoob> ubuntu can't afford changing the design in every release
[15:50] <mac_v> MadsRH: yeah , the orbs , what can we do , we'd be just called copycats :(
[15:50] <ethana2> mrdoob: we should adopt gnome-globalmenu
[15:50] <ethana2> here's a screenshot.
[15:51] <ethana2> uploading...
[15:51] <ethana2> http://i27.tinypic.com/ostjqo.png
[15:51] <mrdoob> oh
[15:51] <mrdoob> macos
[15:52] <ethana2> no.
[15:52] <ethana2> better.
[15:52] <ethana2> ubuntu.
[15:52] <ethana2> the desktop for human beings
[15:52] <mrdoob> :)
[15:52] <ethana2> see the window list at the bottom?
[15:52] <mac_v> mrdoob: if you look at the screenshot , it has unnecessary branding 3 times "Microsoft"
[15:52] <mac_v> i mean the windows boot^
[15:52] <mrdoob> mac_v: yeah I know, but still, isn't really "nasty"
[15:53] <ethana2> haha, mine has it 17 times
[15:53] <mac_v> ;)
[15:53] <mrdoob> windows95 was more nasty
[15:53] <mrdoob> http://www.stimart.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/windows95.jpg
[15:53] <mrdoob> and you can't see all the dithering there
[15:53] <mrdoob> lovely shadow on the logo
[15:54] <mrdoob> shadow... on top of... the sky
[15:54] <ethana2> heh
[15:54] <ethana2> anybody experienced with editing gtk themes here?
[15:54] <ethana2> I want to fix two issues with dust sand
[15:55] <mac_v> ethana2: that would be dashua
[15:55]  * ethana2 lies in wait for him
[15:56] <mac_v> ethana2: BTW , whats the issue with dust sand?
[15:56] <mrdoob> ethana2: http://mrdoob.com/files/temp/ubuntu_desktop.png
[15:56] <mrdoob> that's how my desktop looks
[15:57] <mrdoob> notice how I have the top bar without the "Application Places System" thing
[15:58] <mrdoob> I don't mind if Ubuntu uses gnome-globalmenu as long as I can re-configure it to look like that ;)
[15:58] <mac_v> mrdoob: seems like you use thunderbird , when you are using email clients you shouldnt have a problem with top post
[15:58] <mrdoob> mac_v: :)
[15:58] <mac_v> AFAIK only yahoo irritates the mailing list ;p
[15:58] <mrdoob> I want to avoid mailing lists :P
[15:58] <ethana2> mrdoob: that's how I used to do it
[15:58] <mrdoob> too old for that :P
[15:59] <ethana2> and the global menu is, naturally, just another panel applet
[15:59] <ethana2> so you can do what you please
[15:59] <ethana2> in fact, it has its own settings too, it's configurable
[16:01] <mrdoob> then it's cool
[16:01] <mrdoob> although the screenshot you sent it's messy, it should need a separator bar
[16:05] <ethana2> eh?
[16:05] <MadsRH> ethana2 -> or perhaps a separator bar and use another font (remove the bold). It really looks messy!
[16:05] <ethana2> separator bars are noise.
[16:06] <ethana2> death to them.
[16:06] <ethana2> I'm just using dust sand default
[16:06]  * ethana2 goes into font settings, nixes the bold
[16:06] <ethana2> rggh
[16:06] <ethana2> the problem is that it uses window title bar font settings for the menus
[16:07] <mrdoob> I like separator bars :)
[16:07] <ethana2> they are worthless
[16:07] <ethana2> one should use whitespace
[16:07] <ethana2> actually, the widget or whatever would be fine, if it was just completely invisible
[16:07] <ethana2> nothing in the panels should be anything but monochrome
[16:08] <ethana2> also, applets should cling to one end or the other
[16:08] <ethana2> none of this manual arranging stuff
[16:08] <ethana2> and the ubuntu logo
[16:08] <ethana2> shouldn't be 6 parts, should be 4
[16:08] <ethana2> circle, three heads, that's all
[16:08] <ethana2> one color
[16:09] <ethana2> and the motto, I never mention 'linux'
[16:09] <ethana2> I take great care to avoid doing so
[16:09] <ethana2> no one gives a crap what kernel you use, they just want their stuff to work
[16:09] <ethana2> frankly, linux has a bad usability concerning usability, and we're better off just ditching it
[16:09] <ethana2> history/reputation**
[16:10] <ethana2> we've still got a long ways to go to catch up to Apple
[16:11] <ethana2> but they are both innovative and vicious, and doing so will require us to change nearly everything about what we're doing in some way or other
[16:11] <ethana2> nothing can be sacred
[16:11] <mrdoob> I think little by little people is starting to see that linux is good
[16:11] <mrdoob> I don't think we should "hide" linux
[16:11] <ethana2> linux is a kernel
[16:12] <mrdoob> for people
[16:12] <ethana2> gnome is more important
[16:12] <ethana2> gnu is more important
[16:12] <mrdoob> lines = something that kind of works and is free
[16:12] <ethana2> apt is pretty important too
[16:12] <ethana2> but no one cares
[16:12] <ethana2> it's just another piece
[16:12] <ethana2> gentoo is linux, android is linux
[16:12] <ethana2> 'linux' tells you nothing
[16:12] <mrdoob> well, tell you what kind of software will you be able to run
[16:12] <ethana2> 'kind of works'?
[16:12] <mrdoob> more or less
[16:12] <ethana2> not good enough
[16:13] <ethana2> 'very little'
[16:13] <mrdoob> you see, recently I bought my parents a new computer
[16:13] <ethana2> *headdesk*
[16:13] <mrdoob> my father said that the previous one was "better"
[16:13] <mrdoob> both used windows xp
[16:13] <mrdoob> the difference is that the previous one had office installed, so was able to see those .ppt files his friends sent him
[16:13] <ethana2> ah
[16:14] <mrdoob> that's what people consider when something "works"
[16:14] <mrdoob> compatbility
[16:14] <natewiebe13> this is the place for discussing the new gdm.. right?
[16:15] <mrdoob> seems like
[16:16] <natewiebe13> i'll take it as a yes.. i think everyone has heard my idea already, i know mr doob has.. about the wallpaper when selecting a user..
[16:16] <natewiebe13> is it even possible to accomplish?
[16:17] <ethana2> natewiebe13: ?
[16:18] <ethana2> s/possible/practical
[16:18] <natewiebe13> possible
[16:18] <natewiebe13> as in.. with the code
[16:18] <natewiebe13> able to even happen
[16:19] <natewiebe13> what i would like to see as a final product is mr.doob's iteration 3, with (i think it was mac_v) the modified gdm, and the wallpaper fade
[16:19] <natewiebe13> ethana2: its under iteration 2 /Boot/Demo
[16:20] <ethana2> ....?
[16:21] <natewiebe13> ethana2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255199/
[16:21] <natewiebe13> from the wiki page
[16:21] <natewiebe13> mac_v: was it you who modified the proposed gdm? (seperated the users)
[16:22] <mac_v> natewiebe13: yeah , but that is not feasible as of now , the gdm is not customizable
[16:22] <ethana2> sounds good though
[16:22] <natewiebe13> ethana2: my idea?
[16:22] <ethana2> yes
[16:23] <natewiebe13> my reasons why it would be good are in there, i think
[16:23] <natewiebe13> ethana2: do you think its even possible to do?
[16:24] <ethana2> maybe not with the current code
[16:24] <ethana2> I think we should have the needed code written though
[16:25] <ethana2> I think it should load the default user's wallpaper, if set public
[16:25] <ethana2> the instant the kernel gets control from grub
[16:25] <ethana2> display that blended 50/50 with white and a pulser in the middle
[16:25] <mac_v> natewiebe13: the wallpaper changing? when user is selected?
[16:25] <ethana2> then replace the throbber(**) with gdm
[16:25] <natewiebe13> here's what i was thinking about this...
[16:25] <ethana2> then if another user is selected, change the background accordingly
[16:26] <ethana2> then fade out gdm and the white and slide in the panels
[16:26] <ethana2> so you can have the same picture
[16:26] <ethana2> from the instant you get control from grub
[16:26] <ethana2> to your desktop
[16:27] <natewiebe13> what it uses for xsplash as a background is also whats used in gdm (just like the proposed solution), when you select a user, it then fades into their background (if they allow the background to be public). if it cancels, then fades back into the default. and repeats if another user is selected
[16:28] <natewiebe13> im not thinking it would be that difficult to accomplish..
[16:29] <natewiebe13> but if someone can make this work.. it would be great
[16:29] <natewiebe13> is there anyone on here that is on the official artwork team?
[16:31] <natewiebe13> if not.. anyone know the best way to suggest this to one of the team's members so it has a chance to be a possibility?
[16:33] <mac_v> natewiebe13: the design team is here , but to get it *more* visbility , send a mail to the mailing list
[16:33] <natewiebe13> mac_v: alright.. thanks
[16:34] <natewiebe13> mac_v: what do you think about that idea?
[16:35] <mac_v> natewiebe13: ideas are nice but they have to be implementable , ;)
[16:35] <natewiebe13> if it is possible.. what do you think of the idea?
[16:35] <mac_v> should be cool
[16:42] <natewiebe13> mac_v: im hoping that it will freshen up the login experience a bit, make it new and different.
[16:43] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: here it's a suggestion
[16:43] <mac_v> natewiebe13: yeah, it would be nice :)
[16:43] <mrdoob> create a video that illustrates your idea
[16:44] <mrdoob> you'll save the time of trying to make people visualize your idea ;)
[16:44] <mac_v> mrdoob: color for the boot , how does lavender sound?
[16:44] <mrdoob> too aggresive
[16:44] <mrdoob> I think
[16:45] <mrdoob> too colorful maybe
[16:45] <mrdoob> dark ones are nice tho
[16:45] <mrdoob> http://www.whitewitch.ie/natural_perfumers_journal/uploaded_images/lavender-799013.jpg
[16:46] <mrdoob> http://images.google.co.uk/images?sourceid=chrome&q=lavender&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
[16:46] <mrdoob> but it's quite a punch in the eye
[16:46] <mrdoob> maybe something like this
[16:46] <mrdoob> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/135966690_d6dcf47e5a.jpg?v=0
[16:46] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: i still like the monochrome gradient from iteration 1 (i think its iteration 1)
[16:46] <mac_v> mrdoob: i was thinking of a very mild shade , Languid lavender / Lavender gray / Light mauve > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_%28color%29
[16:46] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: also, what should i use to make the video, ive never done one before :P
[16:47] <natewiebe13> yeah iteration 1
[16:47] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: I learned Adobe After Effects for doing my animated mockups, seemed a good solution
[16:48] <natewiebe13> okay
[16:48] <natewiebe13> thanks
[16:49] <mrdoob> mac_v: yeah that's interesting
[16:49] <mrdoob> so I guess we're moving a bit to the blue then
[16:49] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: is it possible to get your boot from iteration 3
[16:49] <natewiebe13> ?
[16:49] <mrdoob> in between red/blue I mean
[16:49] <natewiebe13> without ripping from youtube
[16:50] <mac_v> mrdoob: its a bright warn color but retaining the pinkishness would seperate it from blue
[16:50] <mrdoob> natewiebe13:  send me an email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll upload the source files for you
[16:51] <mrdoob> mac_v: yep
[16:52] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: (otherwise I may forgot when I get home :D)
[16:52] <natewiebe13> alright.. emailed
[16:53] <natewiebe13> what format are they in?
[16:53] <mrdoob> after effects
[16:53] <mrdoob> cs something
[16:55] <natewiebe13> is it possible just to get the boot in avi or mpg?
[16:55] <mrdoob> ok
[16:55] <natewiebe13> thatd be awesome
[16:56] <mrdoob> I think I had it on h264 mp4
[16:56] <natewiebe13> okay.. that works too
[16:57] <mrdoob> actually, maybe I can download it from youtube
[16:57] <natewiebe13> i'll just try that
[16:58] <natewiebe13> thanks
[17:00] <mrdoob> oh, lame
[17:00] <natewiebe13> haha.. it was 209 kb
[17:00] <mrdoob> yeah
[17:00] <mrdoob> even the one I can download from the user panel is 209kb
[17:00] <mrdoob> doh
[17:00] <mrdoob> what a feature
[17:00] <mrdoob> I'll upload the big one later then
[17:01] <natewiebe13> gotta love file2hd
[17:08] <dashua> mac_v, I updated MurrinaDust too with the new scrollbars.  I emailed Kido the change to try and get it committed.
[17:09] <dashua> To Dust trunk
[17:13] <mrdoob> mat_t: if we're moving out of brown, will the official logo (which isn't vertically aligned properly btw) will also move out of oranges/reds?
[17:13] <mac_v> dashua: nice... :)
[17:13] <mac_v> mrdoob: nooooo.... that is brand logo , thats forbidden ;p
[17:14] <mrdoob> right...
[17:14] <mrdoob> apple was also coloured at the beginning :P
[17:15] <mat_t> mrdoob: nothing changes regarding branding atm
[17:15] <mac_v> mrdoob: only canonical decides that internally, and nothing is going to change atleast for a few yrs
[17:15] <mrdoob> sure
[17:15] <mrdoob> but can be used as plan white/black then
[17:15] <mrdoob> ?
[17:16] <mat_t> mrdoob: sure it can
[17:16] <mrdoob> cool
[17:16] <mrdoob> by the moment it gets used like this, you won't see much the colores version ;)
[17:16] <mrdoob> *coloured
[17:36] <ethana2> just use a monochrome 'version' of the logo
[17:40] <ethana2> ..until people forget there's a colored version
[17:40] <ethana2> the transition to a unified circle instead of the divided circle, that'd take some more creativity
[17:41] <dashua> mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22319/screenshot_008_1fytaH.png
[17:41] <dashua> Better bottom_edge ?
[17:42] <mac_v> dashua: so much better :)
[17:42] <dashua> Nice :)
[17:42] <dashua> Thx
[17:43] <mrdoob> ethana2: yeah, I've also thought about that, unify circle makes sense
[17:44] <mrdoob> but the heads become a problem
[17:44] <mrdoob> if you unify them
[17:44] <mrdoob> it would look like mickey mouse or just a tit with three nipples
[17:45] <dashua> I will release a 0.3 version and try for a community theme addition
[17:45] <mrdoob> (depending how how much you insert the heads)
[17:45] <dashua> It's pretty solid so far
[17:46]  * mac_v should one day complete his theme too!
[17:47] <mac_v> dashua: i dont like 1 thing though , ;p you removed the app icons from the title bars
[17:48] <dashua> Yeah, that was a papercut I was testing over from Human
[17:48] <dashua> I can change it back, but the disc looks sort of cool on the dark brown
[17:49] <mac_v> dashua: i like what you have done with the disk , but it hampers usability
[17:49] <mac_v> especially for me ;p
[17:49] <dashua> Ah alright
[17:50] <mac_v> dashua: i like the idea ,and had tried it , but it needs to be done properly in metacity itself
[17:51] <dashua> Yeah, I'm sure if you can use both
[17:51] <dashua> I don't think
[17:51] <dashua> not*
[17:51] <mac_v> no you cant set both
[17:52] <mac_v> dashua: maybe you can use the disk only on hover and for clicks , and for normal state the app icons ?
[17:52] <dashua> Yeah, I can try that.  That should work.
[17:53] <ethana2> oh
[17:53] <ethana2> you leave the heads separate
[17:53] <ethana2> one circle, three distinct heads
[17:53] <ethana2> I made like 8 logos
[17:53] <ethana2> and looked them over
[17:53] <ethana2> and that's the one that looked best
[17:53] <ethana2> spiral ones looked cool, but..
[17:53] <ethana2> 'cool' and 'elegant' aren't always the same thing
[17:54] <dashua> mac_v, Do you have an image of the new GDM wallpaper alone?
[17:55] <mac_v> dashua: which one? there are 3 , BTW you can get it form the wiki ?
[17:55] <dashua> Iteration 3, but I  just want the background
[17:56] <mac_v> dashua: hehe , i cheated , for my gdm , i blocked the ubuntu logo with a user name ;p
[17:56] <dashua> Ha, I just want the throbber gone
[17:57] <ethana2> oh, I had an ubuntu throbber idea
[17:57] <ethana2> that should be implementable in very little code with no 3d stuff
[17:57] <ethana2> you have a circle image that's the head things
[17:57] <ethana2> the middle circle scans around once
[17:57] <dashua> Oh this will do for testing
[17:57] <ethana2> then dissapears and one circle is up
[17:57] <ethana2> then again, then the second circle
[17:57] <ethana2> again, the third circle
[17:58] <ethana2> again, then the whole thing goes away
[17:58] <ethana2> and you're at gdm
[17:58] <ethana2> there would be some trig
[17:58] <ethana2> but nothing /too/ fancy
[18:09] <mrdoob> ethana2: having a circle throbber doesn't work well with the round ubuntu logo on top
[18:09] <mrdoob> tried it already
[18:09] <mrdoob> descompensates
[18:11] <ethana2> what?
[18:11] <ethana2> mrdoob: ?
[18:11] <ethana2> the way I'm thinking requires a unified circle logo
[18:11] <ethana2> which it should be anyways imo
[18:19] <mac_v> mrdoob: check MadsRH submission in think 2 or 3, circle throbber works great
[18:19] <mac_v> check out*
[18:20] <ethana2> mac_v: link?
[18:20] <mac_v> ethana2: its in the boot submissions page
[18:22] <mac_v> ethana2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Suggestion%20Two
[18:25] <ethana2> well
[18:26] <ethana2> that's not what I was thinking, but it's cool
[18:26] <ethana2> I should find a way to demonstrate my idea
[18:27] <mrdoob> detach the icon from the logo?
[18:35] <mrdoob> bye
[19:06] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[19:29] <natewiebe13> anyone have the new gdm mockup source files?
[19:30] <natewiebe13> MadsRH: do you have the source for your demo mockups?
[19:31] <natewiebe13> thorwil: do you have the source for your demo mockups?
[19:32] <thorwil> natewiebe13: there's a link to the SVG plus bitmaps used in it at the bottom of my submission
[19:33] <natewiebe13> thorwil: thanks.. cant believe i missed that
[19:50] <dashua> mac_v, When you get a chance bzr pull hanso and see if that is a start
[19:56] <mac_v> dashua: what am i looking for?
[19:57] <dashua> Added the menu icon and mouse over
[19:57] <dashua> Removed bottom gradient as well
[19:58] <dashua> Forget to add that to the message
[20:03] <mac_v> dashua: works , we both used the same icon ;), as soon as i told you the idea i tried it too   , but how to keep pressed as the icon we assign? it generally dissapears the minute we press it :(
[20:03] <dashua> Yeah, need to work that one out =/
[20:04] <dashua> It goes back to the menu_icon_normal when pressed
[20:04] <mac_v> dashua: the bottom_edge is getting a jagged finish, why is that??
[20:04] <mac_v> on the R & L sides
[20:04] <dashua> Not sure
[20:05] <dashua> I have a small screen so i probably didn't see it
[20:05] <mac_v> i think it needs to be extended 1 px , on each side , let me check the file
[20:06] <dashua> Yeah, it looks like its off a px
[20:06] <dashua> Man, pulse is crashing my gnome-settings-daemon too
[20:07] <mac_v> pulse is causing a lot of problems! thats my main problem. the settings daemon crash is different from pulse
[20:08] <dashua> Yeah, pulse just crashed, lost my sound, then my theme
[20:08] <dashua> Default settings took over
[20:09] <dashua> Ok, add 1 to right and left edge for a black border
[20:09] <dashua> I just have to border the bottom_edge
[20:09] <mac_v> dashua: i dont think we can do anything about it :(
[20:10] <mac_v> if you add the pixel then the curve shape would be lost
[20:10] <dashua> Damn, I'll work tweaking it
[20:11] <mac_v> dashua: check out new wave , it has a more sharper curve so it is not so prominent
[20:11] <dashua> Ok
[20:35] <natewiebe13> mac_v: here is a crappy video of my idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIr6TU17B8
[20:43] <mac_v> natewiebe13: nice idea :) , you should post the link to the mailing list , too
[20:43] <natewiebe13> i did.. the video sucks, but i hope it gets my idea across
[20:45] <mac_v> natewiebe13: your main idea was very short , while the boot was longer , you should have alloted more time to your idea
[20:45] <natewiebe13> true
[20:45] <natewiebe13> the boot was just a youtube rip from mrdoobs iteration 3
[21:39] <dashua> mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22332/screenshot_009_oMPzTL.png
[21:39] <dashua> Now, that was some work. =/
[21:47] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22336/screenshot_012_Ancjgq.png
[22:23] <knome> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10%20Karmic/Artwork%20mockups/02.png
[23:42] <kwwii> he
[23:44] <knome> he?
[23:44] <knome> man?
[23:45] <kwwii> dashua: nice, classy...sorry for not getting back sooner, I am in Cannes on holiday
[23:46] <knome> good night/happy holiday kwwii :)
[23:46] <kwwii> I like the the brown colors, very nice
[23:47] <kwwii> knome: I have been married to my wife for almost 14 years and she has never seen me this brown, yet where I met here it is very warm and I was nice an brown
[23:48] <SiDi> too much sun ? :p
[23:48] <kwwii> germany is evil
[23:48] <kwwii> SiDi: hehe, no such thing
[23:49] <SiDi> hm, im going to go sleep
[23:49] <SiDi> knome: dont forget about flying mice please ! :D
[23:49] <kwwii> if iat was up to me I would moce here
[23:50] <SiDi> moce ?
[23:50] <kwwii> flying mice?
[23:50] <SiDi> kwwii: see the link knome posted ? I suggested that he adds flying mice around the tree
[23:50] <SiDi> but he doesnt want to
[23:50] <SiDi> he prefers damn ordinary birds
[23:51] <kwwii> lol, I haven't been online for the last week unitl now, basically
[23:53] <SiDi> us neither actually
[23:54] <SiDi> knome was in london and i was too busy with rl randomness
[23:54] <SiDi> i dont know about other members of the internet, didnt ask them yet
[23:56] <kwwii> :p
[23:57] <kwwii> I imagine that everyone else was just as busy doing nothing like me
[23:59] <kwwii> bonne nuit, alle insgesamt


 @wingedrhino, Interesting! In which way do they become unusable? I use Breeze dark and Kate all the time and don't have complaints.
 Within Kate and Konsole unfortunately one has to manually set a output design. But it is a question of aesthetics, not function.
 Does anyone know if automatic fancontrol works on Kubuntu 20.04? A friend just installed it on a laptop unknown to me and is complaining that it is super loud!
 My laptop fans automatically work and have been that way for years.  On my desktop, I had to create my own fan profile to create a "silent" desktop.  I do not know of any "easy" utility to manage.
 I can post references to fan setup guides if interested.
[08:54] <krt805> Guys does anybody know if Kubuntu 20.04 is shipped with snap based KDE framework components ?
[09:00] <Alabalistic> no idea
[09:00] <Alabalistic> I do run it if you want me to check something
[09:03] <krt805> @Alabalistic Please check if you can
[09:03] <Alabalistic> you need to tell me where
[09:03] <Alabalistic> I don't understand what it means
[09:03] <krt805> moment
[09:04] <krt805> snap list | grep -i kde*
[09:04] <krt805> it'
[09:04] <krt805> it's a console command
[09:05] <Alabalistic> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2sB5SXv6GY/
[09:06] <krt805> Super, thanks
[09:06] <Alabalistic> I did do-reliese-upgrade from 19.10 just for info
[09:06] <Alabalistic> you welcome
[09:17] <IrcsomeBot1> Arthur 張 was added by: Arthur 張
[09:24] <IrcsomeBot1> <Arthur 張> I've just installed kubuntu 20.04. In the past I have  tried kubuntu from 14.04 up to 18.10 and kde always freeze randomly on bare metal with my old Gefore 650 display, make me force to play kubuntu on virtualbox. As stability is the most important thing in my work, when kde freezes out of control, I need to go to Mate, which is most stable amongst the Ubuntu Distros, instead. … Earlier this month I retried 20.04 and found that
[09:24] <IrcsomeBot1> runs very smooth. I''ve played for almost 3 weeks and it never crash. I am very happy because kubuntu is the best GUI in terms of functionality and configurability. … Thank you very much.
[10:16] <Tom4010> Hi, I'm looking for support on a Kubuntu polkit issue: It's a kubuntu 20.04 machine, I access it via vnc. If I try to start gparted, I get: Error executing command as another user: No authentication agent found.
[10:17] <Tom4010> Am I right here to get support on this issue? Already tried to debug for quite a while, unfortunately without success :(
[10:20] <Tom4010> Some more details: ps aux shows to my understanding that an authentication agent is running. "root         769  0.0  0.0<PHONE_NUMBER>0 ?        Ssl  20:16   0:00 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug".  pkexec gparted gives me an error message with some more details: "polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon:
[10:20] <Tom4010> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie". I logged into the machine locally once, to my surprise I did not get the error messages here but could start gparted.
[11:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:42] <miguel-gm> hello there. I upgraded yesterday to kubuntu 20, and it seems to have broken my sistem. the taskbar has disappeared, and I don't seem to have a network service anymore
[12:44] <mechanic> good morning im currious if some one can help im looking for file on my distro ( konversationrc ) my old distro the file is located in  /home/.kde/share/config/konversation     but new distro the file structure is not the same any help would go along ways
[12:58] <mechanic> never mind i finaly remebered how to find
[13:55] <IrcsomeBot1> Michael T. Starnes was added by: Michael T. Starnes
[14:41] <IrcsomeBot1> <Michael T. Starnes> https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAE1X4F2MSiUA7evDSA
[14:46] <BluesKaj> @Michael T. Starnes, no spamming please
[15:18] <IrcsomeBot1> <Hector Calloway> (Photo, 492x351) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/A0gX0Ohu/file_32437.jpg https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFiCGfAgAwW0Wiu5Hw
[16:20] <ugur> Hi I recently installed Kubuntu 20.04 and I am using Elisa as my music player. It opens a VLC window before the next song in the playlist which steals focus and I think it is annoying. Is there a way to disable it ?
[16:25] <volty> Hi, have problems with access to /var that is symlinked. Any short & fast way to overcome this problem?
[16:27] <volty> The problem, at least for now, is with cups. But I imagine other problems are going to come since apparmor does not handle correctly synlinks. (of course if this last, that I read somewhere around, is true)
[16:30] <volty> Ok. seems that I found the solution. It seems can be solved by tweaking tunables/alias. Btw it is not the first time irc helps in the way that it makes you help your problem clearly - that is often enough.
[19:49] <IrcsomeBot1> thefirefox12537 was added by: thefirefox12537
 Hi, i'm new member. … May I ask for your help. My notebook was installed Kubuntu, and yesterday i was already installed Droidcam and that connect on my device, but i opened webcam apps i cannot found swap to webcam device on setting or setting didn't exist in webcam apps (like Cheese). How to resolve? Please. 🙏🏻
[20:56] <peter_> hey! when the luks2 support patch will be released?
[20:57] <peter_> the grub I'm talking about
[21:32] <Stabington> Evenin gents
[21:44] <Stabington> Looks like the forum would be the best place to post feedback?
 This forum is intended to assist kubuntu setup and packaging issues.
 If you find an unsolvable issue, a report at bugs.kde.org is greatly appreciated.


[00:24] <Picto> hi, why i have "414 frames in 5.0 seconds = 82.722 FPS"
[00:25] <Picto> typing glxgears
[00:25] <Picto> can everywone help me?
[01:19] <keithclark> Any one about to ask a ssh question to?
[01:19] <Unit193> Just ask away, you don't have to wait.
[01:20] <Unit193> (Except waiting fgor a response)
[01:21] <keithclark> I'm trying to run a x application via ssh session and I'm not having much luck.  I've installed openssh and I can establish a good connection but when I try to run an application like Firefox, it defaults to a local copy
[01:21] <Unit193> Weird thing about Firefox, you have to close all local copies first.
[01:21] <Unit193> ssh -X host-here   I'd guess?
[01:21] <keithclark> Well let me try that!
[01:22] <keithclark> Yes
[01:24] <keithclark> Well, that seemed to work!  Many thanks.
[01:24] <Unit193> Yeppers!
[01:25] <keithclark> Weird
[02:35] <n1ckn4me09876543> Hey, you know how lubuntu comes with 2 workspace/desktop that can be switch inter changeably, and when you put shortcuts it shows on both, what I'd like is to have independent shortcuts, is that possible?
[02:37] <pibarnas> n1ckn4me09876543, I think not, because the shortcuts in fact are made on the same dir, probably ~/Desktop. but it's just  a thought.
[02:38] <n1ckn4me09876543> oic
[05:30] <mi3> hi!
[05:34] <sagaci> hi!
[05:36] <half-duplex> hi!
[05:37] <mi3> hi!
[05:37] <mi3> hi!
[05:37] <mi3> hi!
[05:37] <mi3> lol
[07:07] <windbuntu> i have been testing lubuntu 12.04 in a VM and its really great
[07:07] <windbuntu> so far its much better than ylmf, zorin, netrunner and dream linux.
[07:08] <seekwill> :)
[07:08] <windbuntu> zorin is supposed to be so good? pffft...
[07:08] <windbuntu> so far ubuntu 12.04 and lubuntu are the best by far.
[07:10] <head_victim> jmarsden: ping
[07:10] <jmarsden> head_victim: pong
[07:10] <head_victim> PM ok?
[07:10] <jmarsden> Sure.
[08:22] <dove_g> ZorinOS is also ubuntu based, windbuntu
[08:25] <dove_g> i checked also use gnome and lxde as lubuntu
[08:26] <dove_g> so main goal is i suppose that people from windows get used to linux
[14:57] <kanliot> hey i wrote a governance document like we've been discussing on the mailing list, can someone please give me some feedback or corrections?
[14:57] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/tempgovernance
[15:19] <Gunz4MiPPle> just installed lubuntu, but there is no keyring/password manager running
[15:19] <kanliot> minimal?
[15:19] <zion> mates I just installed Lubuntu 12.04 ,updated it and tried Firefox/Chromium  with flash plugin and google chrome with their flash plugin. I´m having same problem. Firefox and Chromium play flash clips without problems but flash games (only games I play lately) are so sluggish and slow compared to Windows 7 and LinuxMint 12 (LXDE). GChrome is worse the those two giving black flash on animations. So my question is ; Any tips why is this happening
[15:19] <zion>  ? Im not sure that proper drivers are installed on lubuntu for my crappy ATi Radeon (R350 ) card,but its working flawlessly on W7 and Mint 12 .
[15:20] <Gunz4MiPPle> no not minimal, it might because I installed using my old home dir, and there are old configs laying around
[15:23] <Gunz4MiPPle> zion, did you try running 'additional drivers'
[15:24] <zion> Gunz4MiPPle: yes,but there is none
[15:25] <Gunz4MiPPle> hmm
[15:25] <zion> Only thing that bothers me is that its working on LinuxMint 12 ,Fedora 16 and Windows 7 . Cant figure out why Ubuntu /lubuntu is giving me problems
[15:27] <zion> I´ll try this http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.12&lang=English
[15:27] <zion> Maybe it will work ,but I doubt it
[15:27] <Gunz4MiPPle> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ?
[15:29] <zion> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] [1002:4153]
[15:29] <Gunz4MiPPle> i had prob with Nvidia 6150GO and 12.04s drivers, but at least there was a huge thread about it on launchpad and was able to fix it
[15:30] <zion> Geez so Ill have a blast tweaking it to work...
[15:32] <Gunz4MiPPle> zion, if there is a problem, its probably not a lubuntu, but a problem with all the stuff based on 12.04, too
[15:32] <Gunz4MiPPle> so I bet others are having it, and you can find a bug report
[15:33] <zion> Yea ,well Ill google some more and try to fix it .If I cant manage its back to mint  :/
[16:03] <leszek> hi
[16:04] <Unit193> Hello leszek.
  I just installed fglrx and everything is fine :D
[16:08] <kanliot> hi leszek want to review my governance document?
[16:08] <kanliot> please
[16:08] <Gunz4MiPPle> zion: thats awesome, video driver issues no fun
[16:09] <zion> Gunz4MiPPle : I agree,most turn offs on linux distro was because of hardware issues :) Im glad this got fixed
[16:11] <leszek> kanliot: sure
[16:11] <kanliot> http://bryanhates/governance#preview
[16:11] <kanliot> oops
[16:11] <kanliot> http://bryanhates/governance#preview
[16:12] <zion> Btw  I know that Lubuntu is lacking devs but still why only 18 months support?
[16:12] <Unit193> Might be better off in #lubuntu-offtopic since it's not suppoert (and that doubles as -devel)
[16:12] <Unit193> zion: Because they can't actually do more.
[16:13] <leszek> zion: basically you need devs to maintain the applications shipped with the current version
[16:13] <kanliot> leszek sorry that was my local pc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/tempgovernance
[16:13] <leszek> kanliot: link does not work
[16:13] <leszek> :)
[16:13] <leszek> this one works
[16:13] <kanliot> lol
[16:13] <Unit193> zion: Though, it's only LXDE that won't be updated.
[16:15] <zion> Unit193 can you explain ,isnt Lubuntu basicly LXDE on ubuntu 12.04 with some minor adjustments?
[16:16] <leszek> zion: LXDE needs to be maintained and alle apps shipped by default in Lubuntu, i.e. abiword, lubuntu software center and all the other apps. And they need to be supported in their current version. As version upgrades are not allowed, as far as I know
[16:18] <zion> one last question,performance is my main issue due to old PC (P4 northwood 2.66 GHZ HT,3 GB Ram and ATi RV 350 x1050 ) .If I install ubuntu 12.04 and replace Gnome with LXDE would performance be like Lubuntu?
[16:20] <kanliot> LXDE's main feature is pcmanfm and less ram that xfce
[16:20] <kanliot> you won't be using either of those features with gnome
[16:20] <leszek> zion: yes this should work
[16:21] <kanliot> and mint still offers gnome
[16:21] <leszek> but notice applications shipped as default by lubuntu are more lightweight
[16:21] <Unit193> There's also the !purelubuntu method.
[16:25] <zion> Well I like Lubuntu ,but ill try Ubuntu with LXDE.Btw if I instal lxde does nautilus gets replaced by thunar?
[16:27] <leszek> kanliot: I think the governance document ist quite good. Did not find anything to add to it
[16:27] <kanliot> k thx leszek
[16:32] <Gunz4MiPPle> what should the default password keyring be, 'default' or 'login', that might be my problem
[16:33] <Gunz4MiPPle> right now, 'login' is the default
[16:33] <Gunz4MiPPle> and its pretty much empty
[18:14] <smile> doei! :)
[18:14] <zleap> ok does lubuntu run lxde or a similar named ui
[18:15] <bioterror> !lubuntu
[18:15] <zleap> lxde,  ok  thought so
[18:15] <zleap> ok just installed lubuntu-desktop 11.10 and it loads super fast compared to unity
[18:15] <smile> ;)
[18:16] <zleap> ok on task switch alt-tab,  how do i get a show desktop thing up like i have under unity
[18:16] <zleap> this is really useful to just getting to the desktop quickly
[18:19] <windbuntu> does lubuntu have the ability to utilize a dual core computer?
[18:20] <zleap> i would have thought the kernel would have if you have the right kernel installed
[18:20] <jmarsden> windbuntu: Yes
[18:20] <windbuntu> i am using 12.04 and i did not change or modify the kernal-i used the default kernal i guess you would say.
[18:21] <windbuntu> well in my VM i am not atm
[18:21] <jmarsden> windbuntu: So what exactly is your issue or problem?
[18:21] <windbuntu> i don't think i have one, i just asked a question.
[18:22] <jmarsden> OK... great :)  You can check what CPU cores your OS sees by doing cat /proc/cpuinfo if necessary
[18:23] <windbuntu> so u mean...sudo cat /proc/cpuinfo
[18:23] <windbuntu> like that?
[18:23] <jmarsden> No need for sudo.  Just what I said.   cat /proc/cpuinfo
[18:23] <windbuntu> ok
[18:23] <windbuntu> thats pretty advanced if uses all the cores
[18:24] <jmarsden> It's normal for Linux to use all cores on multicore CPUs, and has been for years :)
[18:24] <bioterror> jmarsden, nice to see you active here again ;)
[18:25] <windbuntu> should be very fast on a dual core, i am testing now on my vm but my ultimate goal is to install it in my hp laptop which has a dual core turion amd cpu, ati graphics and 2 gigs of ram.
[18:25] <zleap> ok my panel menu has somehow moved to the right hand side, how do move it back to the left
[18:25] <Unit193> Yeah, only bummer is he left because it takes up valuable time.
[18:25] <windbuntu> i hope lubuntu like amd and ati
[18:26] <windbuntu> likes*
[18:27] <jmarsden> bioterror: Thanks... I'm doing some application development at home at the moment and decided to stick around on IRC a bit here...
[18:27] <windbuntu> thanks for the info...bye for now.
[18:27] <jmarsden> windbuntu: You're welcome.
[18:31] <zleap> ggrrrrr
[18:31] <zleap> ok my panel has gone fully now can anyone help please
[18:37] <Unit193> zleap: Is the process still running? You can either restart it, or start it up.
[18:38] <zleap> ok
[18:38] <zleap> i got it now
[18:39] <zleap> brb,  i have no minimise button on xchat now
[19:31] <seekwill> Anyone play with Lubuntu in a VBox over NFS?
[19:32] <wxl> seekwill: i think i have
[19:32] <wxl> been a while tho
[19:33] <seekwill> I just set that up... Interesting
[19:33] <wxl> indeed
[19:33] <seekwill> I wonder how many of these I can set up though
[19:34] <wxl> i found few programmatic limits to vbox ;)
[19:34] <seekwill> Yeah, but Vbox is a bit easy to set up
[19:34] <seekwill> I normally use Fusion and ESXi
[19:35] <seekwill> My idea was using this as a test/qa/support environment
[19:35] <wxl>  makes sense
[19:36] <seekwill> I wonder if iSCSI will give me more throughput than NFS
[20:03] <Aft3rmath> With this new update on Lubuntu, I can't "Enable Wireless"
[20:03] <Aft3rmath> :(
[20:08] <seekwill> Aft3rmath: What's the problem?
[20:37] <Gege71> hello
[20:38] <Gege71> i just installed a fresh 12.04 lubuntu, because upgrade from 11.10 completely crashed ...
[20:38] <Gege71> but  i have now some bugs : no network applet
[20:38] <Gege71> any reason for that ?
[20:39] <Unit193> The program used by default should be nm-applet
[20:39] <Unit193> Check if it's installed, or hit Alt+f2 and runit
[20:40] <Gege71> nm-applet is runing (ps -fe)  , but it doesn't show up
[20:41] <Gege71> and something strange : when i try to add "network manager" from lxpanel properties, lxpanel crashes
[21:13] <Gege71> ok i  found the problem : nm-applet is here, but its icon is "invisible"... i only have to know where exactly to right click :)
[21:13] <Gege71> good night ...
[21:20] <x3oo> hi, ive got broken dependencies with updatemanager for two days
[21:21] <x3oo> or more, is anyone experiencing similar problems?
[21:22] <seekwill> x3oo: For?
[21:23] <x3oo> update-manager
[21:23] <x3oo> the sources are alright
[21:23] <x3oo> i use oneiric
[21:24] <x3oo> there are unmet dependencies between update-manager and update-manager-core
[21:25] <x3oo> i am downloading from main server...
[21:26] <x3oo> apt-get -f install oder --reinstall dont work either...
[21:26] <x3oo> it just asks for different versions
[21:29] <x3oo> could this be the work of malware?
[21:29] <seekwill> What error are you getting?
[21:30] <LordOfTime> x3oo:  pastebin the actual errors
[21:30] <x3oo> mah ok
[21:30] <LordOfTime> because those error messages could just mean you need to apt-get update again
[21:30] <LordOfTime> just in case
[21:31] <LordOfTime> or you're using one too many repos, or there's an actual broken version
[21:31] <x3oo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/994202/
[21:31] <x3oo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/994218/
[21:31] <x3oo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/994227/
[21:32] <LordOfTime> updatenotifier-common and update-manager-core are conflicting...
[21:32] <LordOfTime> !info update-notifier-common oneiric
[21:33] <LordOfTime> !info update-manager-core oneiric
[21:33] <LordOfTime> yeah update-notifier is the package that's preventing the update it seems
[21:34] <x3oo> so what? update-manager depends on notifier
[21:35] <LordOfTime> the versions are different
[21:35] <LordOfTime> hmm
[21:35]  * LordOfTime wonders
[21:35] <x3oo> yeah thats what i said, and they're from mainserver...
[21:36]  * LordOfTime checks current bugs against both packages
[21:37] <LordOfTime> eek
[21:37]  * LordOfTime notices a new CVE bug on one of the packages he helps maintain
[21:41] <x3oo> LordOfTime: what does it mean for me? just wait a couple of days?
[21:42] <x3oo> "mean to me" or "mean for me"
[21:46] <LordOfTime> ignore that last part
[21:46] <LordOfTime> because i was just whining (more work)
[21:46] <LordOfTime> but i will double chekc on that "bug" for you
[21:46] <LordOfTime> but i've got to deal with the security bug in another package first
[21:51] <x3oo> LordOfTime: nah, thanks anyway
[21:52] <LordOfTime> x3oo:  can you do me a favor and apt-get update before you try and upgrade again?
[21:52] <LordOfTime> just to check
[21:52] <x3oo> LordOfTime: did it a hundred times...
[21:52] <LordOfTime> and still nothing?
[21:52] <x3oo> with apt-get clean etc...
[21:52] <x3oo> nope
[21:53] <LordOfTime> hmm, sounds like it could be a bug, but... *shrugs*
[21:54] <x3oo> kkk
[21:54] <LordOfTime> for all i know, that might've been reported and fixed in Precise, but *shrugs*


[03:28] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: That makes sense. You can't even change periods per buffer without a restart.
[14:00] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: Should be able to, but that is not something one normally changes anyway and not something -controls offers at this point. (the GUI doesn't anyway)
[14:02] <OvenWerks> switchmaster in jackdbus is supposed to allow a complete reconfiguration of the backend including changing the backend itself.
[14:04] <OvenWerks> So it should be paoosible to switch from alsa to firewire, 44k1 to 48k, 2 periods to 3 and the buffer from 1024 to 128.... all at the same time.
[14:05] <OvenWerks> changing the buffer size has always been possible on the fly even in jackd1
[14:06] <OvenWerks> However, even though some applications like patchage and guitarix allow the user to change this on the fly, there are some jackd clients that do not catch this change and deal with it like Phasex.
[14:08] <OvenWerks> Changing SR on the fly is something a synth might deal with correctly, but a DAW should not even try.
[14:21] <OvenWerks> I am guessing this is the point. There may indead be some clients that do not deal with any change well. Even a change in output device can mean a change in ports used.
[14:22] <OvenWerks> I may leave the SM in for plugging a USB device, but remove all others. Auto routing the pulse outputs and reconnecting them seems to work ok.
[14:27] <OvenWerks> Anything that does not require changing the jack backend is ok as well. So plugging in a USB mic (or three) will just work
[22:05] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's perfect, and yes, having a DAW change, specifically, the SR would be a bad idea. From personal experience, the results aren't pretty. One time I accidentally switched the SR of my mixer/interface while it was connected and with jack running. The results weren't pretty.
[22:10] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: right, so any parameter change should restart, but if we can change backend device and reconnect without restart that would be nice.
[22:10] <ErichEickmeyer> In an ideal world, yes. I've seen DAWs competely freak-out with that too.
[22:49] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Once you feel it's ready for testing, I'd love to do a blog post about it with screenshots touting the new features.
[22:59] <OvenWerks> K, I will see what I can do this week. Considering I will be doing a lot more restarting... I will actually be removing stuff.


[02:11] <[MT]> I can't figure out why this thing won't import. :(   https://code.launchpad.net/~tdc/tdc/debian
[02:13] <[MT]> I can run 'git clone https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/collab-maint/tdc.git' just fine
[02:13] <dobey> [MT]: seems pretty clear. the url is wrong
[02:14] <dobey> and apparently you just deleted it anyway
[02:15] <[MT]> dobey: sorry, I should have waited. I just tried removing the trailing / that I didn't notice was there. Hoping that fixes the issue.
[02:16] <dobey> you can edit the branch url, instead of deleting it and making a new import
[02:17] <[MT]> oh? where do you change it?
[02:18] <dobey> on the branch page, under the short list of last few import attempts, there is a green link that says "Edit or review" or something like that
[02:19] <[MT]> I don't see that.
[02:22] <dobey> "(+) Edit import source or review import"
[02:24] <[MT]> still not seeing it
[02:25] <dobey> weird
[02:33] <[MT]> dobey: I was under the impression only lp admins get that option; also- it failed again
[02:33] <[MT]> could you try to clone that url and tell me if it fails for you?
[02:34] <dobey> i changed it to use git:// and it got a better error
[02:34] <dobey> i think maybe https:// doesn't work for cloning git from alioth perhaps
[02:34] <[MT]> was there a 3rd import that I'm not seeing yet?
[02:35] <dobey> [MT]: maybe only people with certain permissions do then. but i thought the owner of the branch could edit the import url
[02:35] <dobey> ah well
[02:36] <[MT]> dobey: if I try to personally clone it with git://, it fails, if I try with https:// it works (on my laptop)
[02:41] <dobey> with bzr-git?
[02:42] <[MT]> with just git
[02:44] <[MT]> dobey: could you try changing it to just http:// ?
[02:46] <dobey> also failed
[02:52] <[MT]> I don't get it... https://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/git/collab-maint/tdc.git <-- that's the correct repo
[02:54] <dobey> there
[02:55] <dobey> git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/tdc.git
[02:55] <dobey> http urls don't work for the imports
[02:55] <[MT]> ooooh....
[02:55] <[MT]> you're brilliant :D
[02:55] <dobey> anyway, it's imported now
[02:55] <[MT]> Could you do me one last huge favor?... https://code.launchpad.net/~nginx/nginx/debian  <-- that needs to be updated too
[02:59] <[MT]> actually... that's not the issue with that one, but it'd be nice to see them use the same url anyway
[03:01] <dobey> apparently it is
[03:01] <dobey> it's imported now
[03:01] <[MT]> THANKS!!! :D
[03:03] <dobey> np
[03:03] <dobey> later :)
[03:03] <[MT]> ttyl
[04:45] <phillw> hi , any staffers about? I need a rather messed up lp area for lubuntu handing back
[06:33] <phillw> ah well, as not staffers about, I have to sign off and hand it back to others :( Still, I hope you all got easter eggs :P
[15:54] <arosen1> Is there an issue going on with launchpad right now? I'm unable to access:  https://login.launchpad.net/+openid
[17:09] <dobey> arosen1: no, but what do you mean by "unable to access" exactly?
[17:09] <arosen1> dobey:  i think its an ISP issue.
[17:09] <arosen1> a few other people in #openstack-infra are having the same issue.
[17:09] <arosen1> if i tunnel somewhere else it works fine
[17:09]  * arosen1 so nvm :)
[17:10] <dobey> ok
[19:17] <thomasberends> I´m trying to work with the Launchpad API, but I get back an XML responsive, instead of JSON. How can I change this?
[19:17] <dobey> how are you trying to work with it?
[19:18] <thomasberends> dobey: I´m testing out requests. Unsigned, but they give back results.
[19:18] <thomasberends> I tried to get a bug report. https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/bugs/1160687 , this gives back XML.
[19:18] <dobey> thomasberends: that doesn't tell me at all what you are doing
[19:19] <dobey> you're doing it in python? why are you expecting json?
[19:19] <thomasberends> dobey: The API documentation talks about JSON, instead of XML.
[19:20] <dobey> are you sending the appropriate Accept: header in your request?
[19:22] <cjwatson> namely, Accept: application/json
[19:22] <thomasberends> dobey: Nevermind.  I never thought I would forget this in my life. I was testing it in a tester application, and it had settings from the last test. It asked the API for XML....


[03:07] <MrCurious> anyone here have bitbake skills?
[07:29] <lilstevie> does anyone here actually have an eeepad transformer
[22:48] <Daviey> NCommander (or anyone else): How is PXE support in uboot looking?


[01:13] <MaynardWaters> hey, I have ardour open and Jack Audio Connection kit.  I hit activate, and now I cant get the mic turned off
[01:13] <MaynardWaters> its creating a great hiss of nausty feedback when I dont have my headphones plugged in
[01:13] <MaynardWaters> any suggestions
[01:26] <MaynardWaters> ok, its still live like that but, I have been able to get hydrogen recording directly into ardour.... yessss
[01:47] <MaynardWaters> when installing new software is it best to have jack running, or not, or doesnt matter?
[02:14] <MaynardWaters> every recording is at least the mic and then other things too.... urg
[02:48] <holstein> MaynardWaters: you want to start JACK first.. then start the other software
[02:48] <holstein> MaynardWaters: internal sound cards are a challenge
[02:49] <holstein> i would try looking in alsamixer and see if you can mute the mic
[10:59] <jumpy> hi there
[11:00] <jumpy> is there a way to netinstall the ubuntu studio?
[11:00] <jumpy> so i can use a small (100mb ) image on usb and grab the packages I want from the *net?
[11:00] <jumpy> or should i be looking at another distro if that's my preferred way of installing
[12:26] <MaynardWaters> holstein: I have gotten to a point where I have had 5 things recognized with jack... it appears that manually seetting up the connections each time I open/close a program is the best way to interact with jack, but I have not been able to isolate the mic feedback that I have been gettting
[12:27] <MaynardWaters> I'll check the alsamixer and see if I can kill the mic there, thanks for the suggestions
[13:55] <MaynardWaters> thanks!/j #rosegarden
[14:09] <holstein> MaynardWaters: the internal sound card will show up as one big device
[14:09] <holstein> all the ins
[14:09] <holstein> thats by design
[14:09] <holstein> its not intended for the use case you are presenting
[14:09] <holstein> sometimes, you can mute the mic, sometimes, its just all in on 2 channels
[14:10] <holstein> i say, get *any* little USB device and enjoy all of the improvements that brings
[14:16] <qheolet> people do you have samples wht you do with ubuntu Studio audio, images, web dev, movies stc stc stc
[14:17] <holstein> qheolet: i use ubuntu... so everything i do is with ubuntu
[14:17] <qheolet> same
[14:17] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/ is some of the stuff with just me
[14:18] <qheolet> great!
[14:18] <holstein> :)
[14:24] <MaynardWaters> holstein: I have a tascam us -122 are you saying that any external sound card will improve preformance?
[14:25] <MaynardWaters> holstein: nice bass!
[14:26] <holstein> MaynardWaters: thanks
[14:26] <holstein> i have a US-122 as well... that should work great
[14:27] <MaynardWaters> I use it with a desktop, and ardour...my housemate set that up, and I dont think jack is used in that situation
[14:27] <holstein> JACK is usually overkill for most folk
[14:27] <MaynardWaters> do you think If I mess with the settings in jack I can make thigns work better with my internal sound card?
[14:29] <holstein> MaynardWaters: no
[14:29] <holstein> MaynardWaters: thats a hardware limitation... nothing to do with JACK at all
[14:29] <holstein> the card is presented to JACK, and JACK does what it does
[14:29] <holstein> you might hack alsa somehow to lose that mic
[14:30] <holstein> internal cards are awful though
[14:30] <MaynardWaters> the alsamixer allowed me to turn down/off the mic
[14:30] <holstein> right
[14:30] <MaynardWaters> now im trying to get rosegarden to output some sound
[14:30] <holstein> that has nothing to do with JACK for example
[14:30] <holstein> MaynardWaters: RG makes no sound
[14:30] <MaynardWaters> so there are multiple sound systems at work at the same time?
[14:31] <holstein> RG is a sequencer... you point it to a sound module
[14:31] <MaynardWaters> if I load up a midi file, it should make some sound
[14:31] <MaynardWaters> I can see the meter in rosegarden and it really looks like it wants to output some sound
[14:31] <holstein> MaynardWaters: nope... that midi file is just telling RG to play a virtual instrument you have not specified yet
[14:31] <MaynardWaters> oooooooooooo
[14:31] <holstein> yup.. you'll see meters moving and hear no sound
[14:32] <holstein> RG makes no sounds
[14:32] <MaynardWaters> so i have to have something like qsynth open to actually create the sounds
[14:32] <holstein> MaynardWaters: RG is just a sequencer
[14:32] <holstein> MaynardWaters: to hear sounds, you need something that makes sounds... something that RG uses as a sound modules
[14:32] <holstein> module*
[14:32] <MaynardWaters> what sythn do you recommend works best with rosegarden?
[14:33] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i use whatever i need, sound wise
[14:33] <holstein> MaynardWaters: zynaddsubfx? or the new fork, yoshimi
[14:33] <holstein> MaynardWaters: or, some external hardware unit
[14:33] <MaynardWaters> yep thats installed
[14:34] <holstein> they all work best with RG
[14:34] <holstein> JACK lets you route whatever you want
[14:35] <MaynardWaters> ok got jack, rosegarden and yoshimi open... now Im going to try to connect them with jack
[14:36] <MaynardWaters> I need to figure out the difference between the "connections" box in jack and the patchbay
[14:36] <holstein> MaynardWaters: just dont use the patchbay
[14:36] <holstein> "connections" is the patchbay
[14:36] <holstein> there are other GUI alternatice to qjackctl as well
[14:37] <holstein> as in #opensourcemusicians ...i just use qjack and manually connect each time
[14:39] <MaynardWaters> ok, one thing at a time, im still with the default jack gui
[14:39] <MaynardWaters> joshimi has shown up in the readable clients, but not the writeable clients
[14:39] <MaynardWaters> so it looks to me like I can output things from yoshimi to rosegarden, but not the other way around
[14:39] <holstein> MaynardWaters: you might need to use a2jmidid
[14:40] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i assure you it'll work
[14:40] <holstein> MaynardWaters: again, those guys in #opensourcemusicians are the ones that really know
[14:40] <holstein> i dont do much midi
[14:42] <MaynardWaters> ok, ill move my chatter over then for now then, got a2jmidid
[14:42] <qheolet> Holstein add you in G+  Nice music!
[14:43] <holstein> qheolet: thanks!... i need to get more active there in g+
[14:44] <holstein> OK folks.. im out... im taking lunch to my girlfriend, then im taking my bass to the lake where its quiet... going to work on some bach and try and finish making some charts
[14:44] <holstein> MaynardWaters: feel free and chatter up in here all you want.. im just trying to point you to where you might find more appropriate help :)
[14:45] <holstein> enjoy!
[14:45] <qheolet> see you!!
[14:50] <MaynardWaters> holstein: enjoy the lake and bass
[14:52] <astraljava> Rebel bass? http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/rebel_bass.jpg
[15:19] <qheolet> people do you have samples what you do with ubuntu Studio audio, images, web dev, movies stc stc stc
[15:37] <holstein> astraljava: lol
[19:06] <len-dt> astraljava, i'd prolly hurt myself on that bass.
[22:46] <tgm4883> Just a quick note, there appears to be a broken image in the top middle on the website. Also, 12.04 isn't listed on http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads (although it is on the front page)
[22:49] <len-dt> tgm4883, there is a whole new website coming soon. Sorry for the delay.
[22:49] <tgm4883> len-dt, no worries, I was actually just checking what your recommended ISO arch was
[22:49] <tgm4883> we (mythbuntu) just changed to 64-bit
[22:49] <len-dt> We have both 32 and 64 bit ISOs
[22:50] <tgm4883> right I was just checking if you recommended one
[22:56] <len-dt> It depends on your needs.
[22:57] <len-dt> If 32bit apps are used a lot... like wine 32bit has to be used. I think the guys with 64bit systems tend to use the amd64 ISO though.
[22:57] <len-dt> I have 32bit systems and so use the i386 ISO.


[03:23] <code|work> nictuku: ping
[03:24] <nictuku> code|work, hi
[03:25] <code|work> nictuku: hi.  may i ask you some questions about NWU?
[03:25] <nictuku> sure
[03:28] <nictuku> I'm going to bed soon, so if needed we can continue the conversation by e-mail
[03:29] <code|work> nictuku: ok.  that'd work best.
[03:30] <nictuku> code|work, are you interested in using, contributing, or both?
[03:40] <birdfish> How would I go about getting a personal script to run at boot time? (but only after the  network interfaces have been brought up)
[03:41] <birdfish> I have an idea that i need to add the script to the default runlevel, but I can't find any manual entries regarding the correct way to rc-update under Ubuntu
[03:47] <infinity> birdfish: If you want it done when the interfaces come up, you can make it an "up" action in /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces)
[03:47] <infinity> birdfish: If you just want it "sometime in runlevel 2", put an init script in /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d to add the symlinks you want for start/stop in the right runlevels.
[03:49] <birdfish> infinity: ah, the up action sounds like a great alternative (since it's going to be a script to populate my firewall)  Thanks =)
[03:53] <birdfish> BRB
[03:54] <birdfish> Ah, worked a charm =)
[04:50] <levander> When you are dist-upgrading, and a configuration file has changed in a package, does update-manager still let you choose whether to keep your old configuration files that you've modified or upgrade to the new configuration just like apt-get does?  Or, has update-manager "simplified" the process so much, you aren't given this option?
[04:55] <infinity> levander: It has a GUi interface that does exactly the same thing (lets you see the diff, lets you pick the action to take, etc), then feeds that back to dpkg's conffile handling.
[04:59] <levander> infinity: thanks man, i asked that question in 4 ubuntu channels, you were only one who knew answer for some reason
[05:00] <levander> I gotta shut down IRC client to upgrade...
[09:45] <foo> I need some way to set up a linux vpn server.. something nice, easy, and secure. Any recommendations? openvpn? Hm
[10:10] <silya> Hi all! I have installed ubuntu-server and want to install mc, but "no package" message appears. so I need to add extra repository to apt?
[10:11] <Burgwork> yes, universe
[10:11] <silya> when I run command `sudo apt-get install dhcpd` message appears E: "Can't find package dhcpd"
[10:11] <silya> but such pkgs as postfix installs well from cd
[10:12] <Burgwork> try removing the cd from your apt sources
[10:13] <silya> Burgwork, when I run dovecot installation its begin installation via internet
[10:14] <silya> And I am very confused. I read and heard better things bout ubuntu server edition
[10:15] <Burgwork> it is the same base as Ubuntu
[10:15] <Burgwork> merely without X
[10:15] <silya> what integrated tools present for fast configuration?
[10:15] <silya> why there is no mc??????????????
[10:16] <Burgwork> server is bare minimum to get you up
[10:16] <Burgwork> and mc is there, just in universe
[10:16] <silya> mc depends from X in ubuntu?
[10:16] <Burgwork> no
[10:16] <silya> cool
[10:17] <Burgwork> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[10:17] <silya> :) I love command line, but sometimes mc very useful...
[10:17] <silya> thx for link
[10:22] <silya> webmin works with ubuntu?
[10:22] <Burgwork> yes, although it is not in the repos
[10:23] <silya> so I need download it manually?
[10:23] <Burgwork> yep
[10:24] <silya> server manual says that all ports closed by default but... http ftp ssh opened :(
[10:25] <Burgwork> if you installed those, yes
[10:33] <silya> So as I understand pkgs from universe don't supports by security team?
[11:00] <silya> anyone heard anything about sams (squid account management syste,)?
[11:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> Where do I go to formally request a server install configuration (like the LAMP setup)
[11:06] <silya> DNS and LAMP server options presents
[11:07] <Euler> hi...anyone here use ubuntu on a Sun T1000?
[11:12] <silya> Ohh... DHCP server called in guide dhcpd in fact calls dhcp


[09:38] <Akos> hi everyone
[10:48] <albasheers> how to convert pdf to word
[10:51] <nigel_nb> albasheers: Hi, this is not a support channel.  You can ask in #ubuntu
[10:51] <albasheers> ok


[04:58] <tmarble> fabbione: you will be glad to know that my T2000 rev2 is going to be installed today or tomorrow