[02:41] <LubuntuPowered> i am having issues with Flash now. it was after i went through some updates via the update manager. it will say "missing plugin" or something similiar. i had it reinstalled already and still the same problem.
[04:59] <herpy> I have a problem with Chromium
[05:00] <Unit193> What's the problem.
[05:00] <herpy> When I try to load a certin youtube vid I get the aw snap message
[05:01] <Unit193> You in the html5 test? http://youtube.com/html5
[05:01] <Unit193> Also, what flash version/package do you have installed?
[05:03] <herpy> <IP_ADDRESS> flashinstaller
[05:03] <herpy> flashplugin-installer*
[05:04] <Unit193> I'd recommend you purge that, enable !partner if it isn't already, and install adobe-flashplugin (not a ton of difference, but I've noticed a few.)  Alternitivly, you can install Chrome and get pepperflash.
[05:09] <herpy> enable what?
[05:09] <Unit193> !partner
[05:09] <herpy> !partner? How do I do that?
[05:10] <Unit193> Says right there...
[05:14] <herpy> screw it I'll install chrome
[08:12] <surt> Hello. I'm having trouble with a U100/MSI Wind netbook booting Xorg/lightdm. I tried service lightdm start and startx, and both commands throw me back to the console.
[08:12] <surt> I removed a whole load of bloat applications, including pcmanfm.
[08:12] <surt> This is the second FRESH install, and it still won't boot. Been trying to fix this ALL day can anyone please help?
[08:14] <surt> I've also got the error "^@could not write bytes: Broken pipe".
[08:15] <surt> Is anyone there? I've got no clue what's wrong.
[08:15] <bioterror> from console: startlubuntu
[08:15] <bioterror> does it prompt something?
[08:16] <bioterror> and then some logs could be inspected to get a glue
[08:16] <bioterror> glue :D
[08:16] <bioterror> hahaha
[08:16] <surt> lol
[08:16] <surt> can't blame autocorrect ;)
[08:16] <bioterror> well no I cant
[08:16] <surt> installing bloat now...
[08:18] <surt> OK. I tried startlubuntu and got an error..oh snap
[08:18] <surt> That worked
[08:18] <bioterror> did it work?
[08:18] <bioterror> you got desktop?
[08:18] <surt> Yeah brother well done :)
[08:18] <surt> So I *must* have pcmanfm installed?
[08:18] <bioterror> pcmanfm is core component
[08:18] <bioterror> it handles the desktop
[08:19] <surt> OK. No biggie, I'll just remove it from autostart.
[08:19] <bioterror> I have no idea what you've been upto
[08:20] <bioterror> :D
[08:20] <surt> Oh um
[08:20] <bioterror> but I would: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[08:20] <bioterror> something wrong with your installation
[08:20] <bioterror> as X seems to work
[08:20] <surt> There's an autostart file somewhere with a whole load of @'s in front of them for autolaunched tasks
[08:20] <surt> I just remove pcmanfm from there
[08:21] <surt> OK
[08:21] <bioterror> why you want to remove pcmanfm from there?
[08:21] <surt> thunar has custom actions I can't do without
[08:21] <bioterror> as you wish
[08:21] <surt> Should have spacefm by default. I think.
[08:21] <surt> pcmanfm + perks
[08:41] <Farinet> Hello, i succeeded in entering the lubuntu chat?
[08:41] <bioterror> seems so
[08:42] <Farinet> Ok, fine . . .
[08:42] <Farinet> Not so familiar with xchat ;)
[08:43] <bioterror> if you're familiar with AmIRC, you're home with X-Chat :D
[08:44] <Farinet> The last time i used to chat it was with ProTerm on an Apple IIGS :D
[08:46] <surt> Last time I was on chat, I was using TekNap on OpenNap. Memories...
[08:46] <Farinet> :)
[08:46] <Farinet> Anyway, may i ask for some problems i've with lubuntu 12.04?
[08:47] <nothingspecial> That's the idea Farinet :)
[08:47] <Farinet> Ok, here it comes
[08:49] <Farinet> 1. Problems with 12.04 lubuntu ppc: Even with the update from 12.4 beta to 12.04 LTS the symlinks which point to vmlinux etc. are put on the "/" (root) directory. Moreover, the most recent linux kernel img has the wrong rights!
[08:49] <Farinet> I described that in ubuntuforums.org (thread: PPC Testers needed)
[08:50] <Farinet> It was a problem which existed already before with *ANY* kernel update
[08:51] <Farinet> @nothingspecial May be i saw you in the forums as well . . . (?)
[08:51] <nothingspecial> yes Farinet
[08:53] <Farinet> Another question concerns that the newest kernel is "-smp" flavour. I read that the ubuntu comunity maintaining the ppc versions decided to drop the non "-smp".
[08:54] <Farinet> 2 questions in regard: Is that ubuntu specific (or does debian the same)? What means "-smp" - just out of curiousity . . . ?
[08:57] <nothingspecial> Farinet: You can read the discussion re droping smp here
[08:57] <nothingspecial> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-March/034927.html
[08:58] <nothingspecial> non-smp rather
[09:02] <Farinet> @nothingspecial: If so, why the "apt-get update" & "apt-get upgrade" installed an -smp flavour. I never ever had one on my Powerbook ??
[09:06] <nothingspecial> Farinet: I'm afraid I don't know. You could ask in #ubuntu-powerpc
[09:12] <Farinet> Ok. I read (ubuntu.5.n6.nabble.com) they will drop non-smp (Benjamin Herrenschmidt & cie are well know developers i think)
[09:13] <Farinet> @nothingspecial: so, it would be better to ask the ppc related questions over there, i presume?
[09:13] <nothingspecial> I would imagine so Farinet, don't know how busy it will be on a Sunday though
[09:13] <Farinet> :)
[09:16] <Farinet> Ok, then the lubuntu 12.04 x86 related problem: On a Samsung Netbook (N 150P) i cannot use lightdm. If i set it (by dpkg-reconfigure lightdm) to main display manger the login hangs. With lxdm it works.
[09:16] <Farinet> But when i try to purge lightdm all lubuntu related stuff is deleted as well, and i rest with basic lxde
[09:17] <nothingspecial> That may be something to do with the wallpaper Farinet, do you have a custom wallpaper set?
[09:17] <nothingspecial> silly as it sounds ....
[09:21] <nothingspecial> see here Farinet
[09:21] <nothingspecial> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11886394&postcount=3
[09:22] <Farinet> Not in this moment; at least not in the settings for lightdm (with lxdm i use Natty_bug)
[09:22] <nothingspecial> The post concerns Ubuntu but the bug may be similar
[09:22] <Farinet> @nothingspecial: JFYI: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues (> No non-smp kernel)
[09:22] <nothingspecial> I'm not suggesting installing gdm by the way
[09:23] <Farinet> Not really ;)
[09:23] <Farinet> I can live with lxdm, not that big of a problem. But i'd like to understand, where the problem is (and i'm a bit afraid for further upgrades)
[09:27] <nothingspecial> I have to go Farinet, hope you solve your issues
[10:26] <crazypete> is there any way to fullscreen leafpad without the menu bar showing?
[11:01] <leszek> hi
[11:20] <GODOS> hello
[11:21] <GODOS> i have a little problem with lubuntu can you help me?
[11:21] <bioterror> go ahead and ask
[11:22] <GODOS>  i added auto login at the /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[11:22] <GODOS> but i have to make a mouse click on the use name to login
[11:22] <GODOS> user
[11:23] <GODOS> i want auto login without showing the lxdm
[11:23] <GODOS> how can i do that?
[11:23] <GODOS> i have added autologin=themis
[11:24] <GODOS> but auto login is not working
[11:25] <GODOS> any solution?
[11:27] <GODOS> ????
[11:30] <GODOS> ?????????????????
[11:40] <GODOS> how can i enable auto login without showing lxdm
[11:40] <GODOS> ?
[16:27] <n1ckn4me09876543> I downloaded Soundblaster X-Fi linux driver, now I have to install it, the readme file tells me: << In terminal,
[16:27] <n1ckn4me09876543> 1) Goto source directory
[16:27] <n1ckn4me09876543> 2) Execute make command as root
[16:27] <n1ckn4me09876543>    make
[16:27] <n1ckn4me09876543>    make install >> what's the command to install programs/driver
[22:50] <yooha> hello guys
[23:03] <stlsaint> yooha: hey
[23:03] <stlsaint> hey room if i upgrade netbook to 12.04 will it break my install?? *wink*
[23:05] <LordOfTime> stlsaint:  what're you running now
[23:07] <stlsaint> not sure
[23:14] <stlsaint> oh oh 11.10 ;)
[23:14] <LordOfTime> ah
[23:14] <stlsaint> LordOfTime: meh, just joshing. Wanted to see if anyone was in the room :D
[23:14] <LordOfTime> lol
[23:14]  * LordOfTime checks from time to time :P
[23:14] <stlsaint> i am going to upgrade though so...
[23:14]  * stlsaint crosses fingers
[23:14] <LordOfTime> normally i'm hanging out in #ubuntu-server and #ubuntu and #ubuntu-bugs :P
[23:15] <LordOfTime> stlsaint:  back up important data first!
[23:15] <LordOfTime> RULE NUMBER ONE!   Im putting all my faith into Lubuntu. Test of time ;D
[23:15] <LordOfTime> (and yes i meant to do that in caps :P)
[23:16] <stlsaint> LordOfTime: no caution here bud. Going all out lol
[23:16] <LordOfTime> :P
[23:16] <LordOfTime> your loss, if the thing breaks mid=upgrade
[23:16]  * LordOfTime is a tech, so he always recommends backing up data
[23:25] <stlsaint> LordOfTime: if anything breaks ima be pissed
[23:26] <LordOfTime> and this is why i recommend backing up important data :P
[23:42] <Unit193> stlsaint: I didn't backup, it works for me™
[23:43] <stlsaint> Unit193: smooth so far thought its just downloading packages
[23:48] <gnufun> Hello, I just installed Lubuntu on an Acer Aspire One ZG5.  I kept Windows XP on the other partition when installing.  When booting, the grub menu screen does not come up.  Instead the netbook boots directly into Windows.  If I connect the usb, then the grub screen comes up and I can choose ubuntu.  It then boots from the hard drive.  I tried to sudo update-grub.  That looked like everything went according to plan (it found every
[23:50] <pepinito> Hi there. Is ther any way to get a application switcher with previews in Lubuntu?
[23:51] <Unit193> gnufun: You got cut off at "...according to plan (it found ever" However, you can hold left shift on boot, or edit /etc/default/grub and comment out hidden boot (# being comments) and run sudo update-grub
[23:56] <pepinito> Hi there. Is there any way to get a application switcher with previews in Lubuntu?
[23:56] <Unit193> There's no need to repeat your question.
[23:58] <pepinito> i know i know, I hadn t login against NickServ, so i didn know if the first one went out.


[07:55] <njin> Hello to all, can we have keycodes inthe order of four hundred (470,471,472....) on a sony vaio? bug 691826 thanks
[07:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691826 in linux (Ubuntu) "fn keys don't work on SONY VAIO VPCEB3J1E, Maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691826
[13:54] <njin> hello to all, can someone look if is a security vulnerability ? bug 692362
[13:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 692362 in ubuntu "Plugin-container WOT wont enable (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692362
[13:56] <charlie-tca> There is a whole team set up to do just that. All we can do is recommend it if we think it might be.
[13:58] <charlie-tca> I see nothing there that tells me it is anything more than a user rant. Where are the logs to show what is happening?
[13:59] <charlie-tca> It could be nothing more than a failing drive or very insecure network connection
[13:59] <njin> charlie-tca: hello, thanks .
[14:55] <ElPasmo> Hi people, I'm looking for the azureus bug list in LP and I see a lot of bugs set as New of old versions of azureus. Should I ask if the bug is present in the actual versions and set them to incomplete? Is that the right thing to do?
[14:56] <hggdh> eeebotu will be offline for some 2 minutes for an update restart
[15:00] <greg-g> ElPasmo: you can also try reproducing the symptoms. If you can reproduce them then set it to confirmed and say what version it is and what steps you took to reproduce it.
[15:01] <greg-g> ElPasmo: if you can't reproduce it, tell the reporter you tried but if they could also try AND give a specific set of steps to reproduce it, that'd be great. (and set to incomplete)
[15:01] <ElPasmo> Ok greg-g.. thanks a lot. I'll do that
[15:01] <greg-g> np
[15:01] <ElPasmo> Another question, should I try it both in 10.04 (cuz is LTS) and 10.10 or only in Maverick?
[15:01] <hggdh> eeebotu is back online
[15:02] <greg-g> also, if there is an upstream bug tracker, and you confirmed the bug yourself (reproduced it), feel free to report it upstream as well.
[15:02] <greg-g> ElPasmo: just in 10.10 is fine
[15:02] <ElPasmo> ok greg-g thanks a lot :)
[15:02] <greg-g> no worries, thanks for helping!
[15:10] <ElPasmo> I found a bug wich is solved with the last version of the application (but the last version is not available at the ubuntu repositories. Should I set it to Fix released? I'm talking about bug 553315
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553315 in azureus (Ubuntu) "Vuze search doesn't work...SWT issue? (affects: 8) (heat: 41)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553315
[15:12]  * greg-g looks
[15:12] <greg-g> ElPasmo: so, since the bug is still in maverick, but is fixed in an upstream release, the next step would be to see what version is in Natty
[15:13] <greg-g> I usually use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to figure that out.
[15:13] <greg-g> Looks like natty has the same version as Maverick, right now http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=azureus&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[15:16] <ElPasmo> yes... so, how do I proceed?
[15:16] <hggdh> oh hell, I forgot to update the eeeBotu id :-(
[15:16] <greg-g> ElPasmo: I'm looking for the right documentation
[15:17] <ElPasmo> mmm thanks a lot for your time greg-g, if you can point me to the documentation I could check also
[15:19] <greg-g> ElPasmo: well, wiki.ubuntu.com is where I'm looking
[15:19] <ElPasmo> :P ok
[15:20] <joaopinto> which package should I use to file a bug for the global menu ?
[15:20] <greg-g> I'm not sure if the right workflow is: 1) go to Debian and request an updated version 2) when Debian has it request a Sync from Debian or if it is something else
[15:22] <greg-g> bdmurray_: package is outdated in both Natty and Debian Unstable, a new version fixes a lot of bugs, whats the right next step? Going to Debian and putting in a request to update (there is no related bug in bugs.debian.org) or do something more Ubuntu-centric at first?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Anyone know who bugbot is in launchpad. It appears to be a script that leaves comments on bugs but forgets to change the status.
[15:48] <ElPasmo> greg-g, as I can see at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess if we are before the debian import freeze is no need of an explicit sync request (we have 9 days) maybe we should proceed directly with the first option ("go to Debian and request an updated version")... don't know really :)
[15:51] <greg-g> ElPasmo: yeah, we can try. :) Have you reported a bug in Debian before, it can be daunting compared to Launchpad
[15:52] <ElPasmo> No, never, I'm trying to figure it out but no joy... I'm totally lost :P
[15:52] <greg-g> and, I don't think I have time right now to explain it, hopefully someone else watching can
[15:53] <ElPasmo> ok greg-g, thanks for all your help :)
[15:53] <ElPasmo> I'll ask at #debian, maybe I'll be lucky :)
[15:54] <greg-g> good idea
[15:55] <ElPasmo> well in fact, if I'm not wrong, Debian has an older version of the package: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/vuze
[15:55] <charlie-tca> This is a good place to start - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[15:56] <ElPasmo> no, my falt
[15:56] <ElPasmo> fault*
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Although, I stay away from Debian as much as I can
[15:56] <ElPasmo> ok thanks charlie-tca
[15:56]  * charlie-tca thinks "daunting" was a good word for that
[15:58] <ElPasmo> mmm if you can point me another way of do it I'll be glad to follow your lead :)
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Sorry, that's what I actually use
[15:59] <ElPasmo> hahaha :)
[16:00] <ElPasmo> Anyway, even if I manage to request a sync in Debian... how should I proceed with the launchpad bugs? set them to Fix released?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> triaged, until the sync is confirmed, then fixed
[16:03] <greg-g> ElPasmo: the status of the bug in LP is for the status of the bug in the latest version of Ubuntu, so until the package has been released to the archives and you can install it, it isn't fix released.
[16:03] <ElPasmo> Thanks charlie-tca. Another question, I found for one of the bugs and upstream bug... but they told me (at debian) to file a new wishlist bug requesting the sync. I think it's better to link to that new upstream request than to the old one... Is it ok?
[16:03] <ElPasmo> ok greg-g, I understand now
[16:04] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:05] <greg-g> (sorry, I tend to be verbose and redundant ;) )
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Since the new upstream bug will fix the issue when resolved, it's okay
[16:05] <charlie-tca> greg-g: I seem to be a little on the weak side of explaining sometimes, it's okay
[16:06] <greg-g> charlie-tca: we're a good team, then :)
[16:07] <ElPasmo> hey, you manage to make me succeed triaging bugs... you must be outstanding you two :P
[16:08] <charlie-tca> got a good student!
[16:09] <ElPasmo> don't know what to say snif snif
[16:11] <vish> pedro_ , charlie-tca , hggdh : several of the students are not subscribed to the mentoring mailing list , so I think we need to remind them again, how does this sound : http://pastebin.com/EAD5YnDD  ?
[16:11] <vish> maybe we can exclude the WE CARE part ;p
[16:12] <hggdh> I think it is good as it is
[16:12] <hggdh> and we DO care :-)
[16:13] <charlie-tca> but why are we giving them two months to start? Shouldn't they be starting THIS WEEK?
[16:14] <vish> charlie-tca: yea, we could shorten that interval, but i just named it 2 months since we have responded very late for a lot of the students
[16:14] <vish> so let me know which time limit is ideal..
[16:14] <charlie-tca> All the more reason to get them started as soon as possible. Perhaps the first week of January, this being the holiday season
[16:15] <charlie-tca> two months seems too long. We have more waiting to be added, that will be waiting that two months
[16:15] <vish> charlie-tca: oh, that 2 months is for people who have not subscribed yet..
[16:15] <vish> charlie-tca: so even for them first week of Jan ?
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I can subscribe to a mailing list in about 5 minutes
[16:16] <ElPasmo> mmm that reminds me, I ask for a menthor like... 2 weeks ago? I didn't receive any email. Is that normal?
[16:16] <charlie-tca> so, if they aren't triaging the first week of Jan, let's give the next person a chance
[16:17] <charlie-tca> ElPasmo: yes, normal for now
[16:17] <vish> charlie-tca: yup, i dont mind even deactivating them even now ;p , but some might have lost interest , i was just playing safe but sure , so Jan 8 th ?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> sure, at least in my mind.
[16:18] <charlie-tca> hggdh: any comment?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> pedro_ 's not here right now
[16:19] <vish> oh! he is on vac?
[16:19] <hggdh> I agree that we might go more agressive now in taking them out if no response
[16:19] <charlie-tca> The longer we let these people wait to start, the longer we make others wait for a mentor
[16:20] <vish> OK,  so setting Jan 8th as the date to subscribed by..
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Thanks, vish
[16:20] <vish> hggdh , charlie-tca: thanks you sir :)
[16:36] <ElPasmo> I think bug 553315 should set to Triaged with a Medium importance.
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553315 in azureus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Vuze search doesn't work...SWT issue? (affects: 9) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553315
[16:36] <ElPasmo> May someone do it for me please?
[16:38] <ElPasmo> Also I think bug 525304 should set to Triaged with a Low importance. May someone do it for me please?
[16:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 525304 in azureus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Icons of toolbar not appear (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525304
[16:43] <charlie-tca> ElPasmo: done
[16:43] <ElPasmo> Thanks a lot charlie-tca
[16:44] <charlie-tca> yw, keep up the good work! It is really appreciated to have someone helping out
[16:45] <ElPasmo> The bug 321922 ask for a sync that already took place. Should I set to fix released also in the debian upstream bug?
[16:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 321922 in azureus (Debian) (and 1 other project) "vuze 4.2 new upstream release (affects: 3) (heat: 5)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321922
[16:45] <ElPasmo> I'm trying, lot to learn charlie-tca  :P
[16:46] <charlie-tca> just set the debian task to invalid in launchpad.
[16:46] <ElPasmo> thanks again
[16:46] <charlie-tca> ooops
[16:46] <ElPasmo> w8, why "ooops"?
[16:47] <charlie-tca> might be bad advice. Normally, we just leave the upstream task alone. It will update itself eventually.
[16:47] <charlie-tca> but it is okay
[16:47] <ElPasmo> Ok, it is 18 months old... I think it should be ok I set it to invalid
[16:48] <ElPasmo> I'll comment any way
[16:48] <charlie-tca> Since we can't manually set status without removing the bug watch, it is difficult to do much with those.
[16:49] <charlie-tca> The fact that the Ubuntu task is fixed-released should be enough to keep anyone from adding to the bug report.
[16:49] <charlie-tca> but, I do in fact change some when I get tired of looking at them
[16:51] <ElPasmo> I see...
[16:51] <ElPasmo> It'd be crazy if I ask for adopting the vuze package? Should I w8 to have more experience?
[16:56] <charlie-tca> You have the ability to maintain it if you want to. Your experience comes with time, but you pretty much know how to work those bugs, don't you?
[16:56] <charlie-tca> I think you could go ahead with adopting it, if you want to.
[16:59] <ElPasmo> Ok, thanks charlie-tca
[17:10] <ElPasmo> Well I have to go, see you people, and thanks for all the help again
[17:21] <kamusin> it's me god or gnome-system-tools are not installed by default with natty alpha1 ?
[18:07] <kklimonda> kamusin: it got removed from ubuntu-desktop for whatever reason
[18:09] <kamusin> kklimonda, oh lord.. thanks
[18:10] <kklimonda> bah, they should really link changes to ubuntu-meta to bug reports.
[18:18] <kamusin> kklimonda, do you know if there is a bug report about it?
[18:23] <kklimonda> kamusin: I don't see it mentioned in the changelog, you best bet is to ask either on #ubuntu-desktop or directly Colin Watson who can point you further.
[18:25] <kamusin> kklimonda, ;)
[21:35] <nemo> hey guys. I encountered what I'm pretty sure is:
[21:35] <nemo> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=622790
[21:35] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 622790 in cifs-utils "Input/output error with sec=krb5" [Medium,Assigned]
[21:35] <nemo> after a NAS migration at work
[21:35] <nemo> on my ubuntu boxes
[21:35] <nemo> My question is...
[21:36] <nemo> Is there some way to see if this bug is reported in ubuntu, and what PPAs/patches/workarounds might be mentioned?
[21:37] <nemo> hm
[21:37] <nemo> actually. it can't be that bug. n/m
[21:37]  * nemo hunts for cifs + NAS bug reports w/ similar symptoms


[03:43] <valorie> added my testing feedback from today at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha3/Kubuntu/Feedback
[03:43] <valorie> pretty much a bust!
[05:00] <valorie> BUT one of my loco members reminded me that I have a spare HD for this lappy
[05:00] <valorie> so tomorrow, I'll try again
[05:00] <valorie> if it's a bust again, so be it
[09:33] <apachelogger> good morning Kubuntu
[09:34] <ulysses> good morning apachelogger
[09:34] <apachelogger> hey ulysses, I think we can publish the August report tomorrow?
[09:35] <apachelogger> (great work again :))
[09:35] <ulysses> thanks:)
[09:37] <apachelogger> valorie: btw, you can use @SIG@ verbatim in the wiki, it is a macro that expands to a full signature
[09:38] <valorie> ah, OK
[09:38] <valorie> reading the data page, I guess the difficulties we ran into were not new
[09:39] <valorie> BUT
[09:39] <valorie> I'm trying to figure out how to protect the data I have on this old spare HD now
[09:39] <valorie> so I can try again tomorrow
[09:40] <valorie> this time without worry of messing up my laptop
[09:40] <valorie> because if it doesn't work, I'll just put my present HD back in
[09:40] <apachelogger> valorie: just do not format it ;)
[09:40] <valorie> :-)
[09:40] <valorie> right
[09:40] <ulysses> something wrong with the window switcher, only the top left quarter appears
[09:40] <valorie> I'm using partionmanager, and trying to get it to shrink the partition to what is already there
[09:41] <apachelogger> valorie: what file system?
[09:41] <valorie> ext4
[09:41] <valorie> it seems to be ok with moving it one way or the other
[09:41] <valorie> but not shrinking
[09:42] <valorie> so I might have to sacrifice my old data
[09:42] <apachelogger> that is odd, ext4 should make no problems unless it is (or was) filled > 75%
[09:42] <valorie> I was hoping to have access to that music
[09:42] <valorie> it's about half full
[09:42] <apachelogger> that is odd then
[09:42] <valorie> 149 gig
[09:42] <apachelogger> with very full or long living file systems fragmentation could become a problem with resizing, but...
[09:42] <valorie> so I would have about 70 gigs to play with
[09:42] <apachelogger> very strange
[09:43] <valorie> eh
[09:43] <valorie> it's not serious
[09:43] <valorie> my new huge HD has a complete backup
[09:43] <valorie> knock on wood
[09:43] <valorie> lol
[09:55]  * apachelogger is wondering if his new laptop will arrive tomorrow
[10:02] <valorie> what does UPS tell you?
[10:03] <valorie> or are you counting on your countdown widget
[10:03] <valorie> :-)
[10:15] <apachelogger> valorie: on friday UPS said friday, which seemed a bit impossible given that it was noon and the thing only was in frankfurt at the time
[10:15] <apachelogger> then they changed to monday
[10:15] <apachelogger> and now nothing ^^
[10:15] <valorie> boo
[10:16] <valorie> new laptops are fun!
[10:16] <valorie> I hope you get it tomorrow
[10:18] <apachelogger> me too ^^
[10:18]  * apachelogger is wondering why that silly gobject foo always crashes on him :(
[10:44] <mfraz74> if i launch konsole and type something into it, my desktop disappears and then i'm logged in again.
[10:44] <mfraz74> if i launch konsole a second time, it works ok
[10:48] <mfraz74> any ideas?
[10:54] <mfraz74> in syslog i see X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
[11:00] <apachelogger> mfraz74: sounds like a graphics driver problem
[11:00] <mfraz74> it only started happening after doing the updates
[11:02] <mfraz74> driver is intel i915
[11:05] <apachelogger> mfraz74: on lucid?
[11:05] <mfraz74> no maverick
[11:05]  * apachelogger thinks that gobject's weird marshal stuff is causing his flipping segfaults -.-
[11:05] <apachelogger> mfraz74: IMHO intel drivers are all sorts of broken on mav
[11:05] <apachelogger> or X
[11:05] <apachelogger> or both
[11:06] <mfraz74> apachelogger: it must've been something that got upgraded yesterday as it was working fine before
[11:06] <mfraz74> anything i can do to track it down?
[11:09] <apachelogger> look at /var/log/dpkg.log or apt.log or both
[11:10] <apachelogger> and ask in #ubuntu-x
[11:15] <mfraz74> looks like it might be related to bug #602899
[11:40] <apachelogger> hm
[11:40] <apachelogger> something is fishy about my pycallable
[11:40]  * apachelogger hates it when things get fishy
[11:56]  * jussi hands apachelogger a nice salmon slice
[11:59] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[11:59] <apachelogger> I am hungry
[11:59] <apachelogger> oh
[11:59] <apachelogger> already 1
[12:00] <apachelogger> time flies by when looking at pyth0rn segfaults
[12:00]  * apachelogger goes cooking
[12:32] <apachelogger> oh, so while I was almost cutting off my fingers I had an inspiration as to why my pyth0rn fails, actually pretty obvious ^^
[12:32] <apachelogger> cant wait to fix that
[12:32]  * apachelogger returns to cooking
[13:25] <sheytan> We now have a downloads center for Kubuntu http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/577448-829201030539PM :D
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/9HzvS.jpg
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> so true
[14:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: iff user == developer
[14:02] <apachelogger> that said, I do not deem C less developer friendly than python
[14:02] <apachelogger> Glib however is less friendly :P
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:04] <apachelogger> I have to play intermediate callback handler between gobject and pyth0rn
[14:04] <apachelogger> this is going to be kill
[14:08] <yofel> why does that remind me of http://www.deimeke.net/dirk/blog/index.php?/archives/2310-Programmer-Hierarchy-....html ...
[14:08]  * apachelogger gets some paper and a pen and starts drawing up a context
[14:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also the problemen defintion is the crap
[14:09] <apachelogger> yofel: that made ruby == web language
[14:09] <apachelogger> oh how I hate those rails users
[14:09]  * apachelogger swings fist
[14:11] <apachelogger> void (*callback)(void*, int*, ...) = (void (*)(void*, int*, ...))voidPtr;
[14:11] <apachelogger> any best on compilability of that? ^^
[14:11] <apachelogger> s/best/bets
[14:30] <sheytan> And here it comes. Our new Social stuff page :D http://i.imgur.com/iiYPU.jpg
[15:20] <ulysses> Translation files of KDE 4.5.1 are imported, or will be imported?
[15:58] <ulysses> If I try to change the KWin effects, the whole X/KDE freezes, I have to restart kdm from tty1
[15:58] <ulysses> anyone noticed that?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, on intel here
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> killing kwin from tty1 works
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> but then you have no wm and can't get one back due to focusing issues
[16:02] <ulysses> I have also Intel, an Intel GMA4500MHD
[16:09] <ulysses> I try to translate some KWin stuff, we are at the GlobalJam
[16:22] <mgraesslin> ulysses and JontheEchidna: alt+shift+f12 should still work
[16:22] <mgraesslin> problem is known
[16:23] <ulysses> mgraesslin: yes, I can turn off/on the effects, but I need them to see in work to make a proper translation
[16:28]  * apachelogger throws stones at gobject
[16:28] <apachelogger> (process:20839): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID: assertion `n_param_values == 1' failed
[16:28] <apachelogger> I think I will just tear ubuntu-sso-client apart and insert non-gobject dependent non-python module using invocatoin of the GUI
[16:30] <apachelogger> it is kind of perverted to have Qt hooked up with a C++ class that wraps a GObject and has a Python interface via SIP which tries to simulate the silly implications of the backend<->gui relation of the GTK+ UI
[16:31] <apachelogger> it is like QObject has a baby with GObject that is officially living with Python but is really living with SIP
[16:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: regarding the baby business ^
[16:32] <Nightrose> -.-
[16:32]  * apachelogger feels nukes the ugly stuff
[16:32] <apachelogger> that was a half way through writing change of mind
[16:33] <apachelogger> I blame it all on the uglyness
[16:34] <sheytan> Hey
[16:34] <sheytan> can i have a screenshot of the new kpk?
[16:35] <ulysses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kepek/kpackagekit.png
[16:35] <sheytan> ulyssess in english please? :)
[16:35] <sheytan> it's for the wesite ;)
[16:39] <ulysses> hm, I have english language packs, but KPackageKit doesn't want to start in English:/
[16:41] <sheytan> ulysses ok, i'll find one :)
[17:16] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: do you know, how can I get backtrace from kolourpaint4 issue?
[17:55] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: no crash -> no backtrace
[17:58] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: from #ubuntu-desktop: <kklimonda> ari-tczew: looks like gnome-settings-daemon crashes, do you have a stacktrace?
[18:00] <apachelogger> well then you need backtrace of that crash and not kolourpaint4
[18:05] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: can you how do it?
[18:05] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: I don't know how one best gets a backtrace in GNOME, so better ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[18:06] <apachelogger> supposedly apport should be coming up in your notification area and help you with that
[18:09] <yofel> if it does not check if there's a .crash file in /var/crash too
[18:16] <apachelogger> "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[18:16] <apachelogger> now that is wrong... lunchpad *is* wrong
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lunchpad eating your head? :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> lunchpad - it eatz your brainz away!
[18:17] <apachelogger> cant even clean a ppa without it going time out on you
[18:18] <apachelogger> hm
[18:18] <apachelogger> there is still wine left
[18:18]  * apachelogger pours Nightrose a glass
[18:19] <apachelogger> "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[18:19] <apachelogger> ...
[18:19] <apachelogger> that reminds me of "computer says no" ^^
[18:20] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZAoMv_QnAU
[18:54] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: I got it!
[18:58] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()
[18:59] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: you need to tell that kklimonda
[18:59] <apachelogger> also that information alone is not useful (i.e. one needs a whole backtrace ;))
[19:03] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: bug 626379 (current private)
[20:48] <sheytan> Hey apachelogger
[20:48] <sheytan> Will u1 be included to maverick?
[20:48] <sheytan> i mean out of the box
[20:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: not out of the box
[21:00] <apachelogger> currently it is even questionable if at all since upstream likes to introduce breakage
[21:00] <sheytan> apachelogger why not?
[21:00] <apachelogger> because it is not ready and because upstream likes to introduce breakage
[21:01] <apachelogger> if it gets included out of the box we need to be sure that it works in the next version and the one to come and the one after that...
[21:01] <sheytan> what about 11.04?
[21:02] <apachelogger> not unless either canonical devotes a developer to the KDE version or someone takes over maintainership who is willing and has time to actually make the ubuntuone team do proper free software development and not just open source stuff
[21:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: what I would like to see is owncloud support though, which will probably also still take some time
[21:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, is it just me or is the default KDE background not very vibrant?
[21:03] <apachelogger> in fact I would go as far as calling it cold
[21:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honestly? i never see it :D
[21:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:04]  * apachelogger only noticed recently because he watched his mom play with windows 7's desktop theme stuff which has truely good packages available
[21:04] <apachelogger> and putting aside an off-the-shelf theme of windows 7 and KDE's default makes KDE look like GNOME default looks to KDE
[21:05]  * apachelogger probably should talk with nuno about this some day
[21:05] <apachelogger> also I need to get someone do things with kubuntu 10.04
[21:06] <apachelogger> you would not believe the things you come to notice when watching someone who does not have much clue of the backgrounds interact with a system
[21:08] <apachelogger> for example the fact that you can drag windows in 4.5 by issuing a drag on free space of the window is simply awesome since the regular person does not know about window decoration/borders it is sort of difficult to teach the concept of drag-your-window-bar-to-the-top-to-maximize
[21:09] <apachelogger> so instead it becomes dragy-your-window-to-the-top-to-maximize, which naturally will make people try to drag unused space
[21:09] <apachelogger> in oxygen that of course applies even more so since the window decoration and the window appear truely as a whole
[21:09]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[21:10] <Nightrose> *hug*
[21:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can you make the 10 remaining gsoc students send me a summary for the dot?
[21:10] <apachelogger> who would these nice persons be?
[21:10] <apachelogger> should I visit them personally?
[21:11] <Nightrose> i think that is appropriate by now - i've just sent them the 3rd email
[21:11] <apachelogger> if so I need to get a hair cut to look more intimidating
[21:11] <Nightrose> :D
[21:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: from that I gather they are not IRCing?
[21:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, you know, if it helps I can send a mail too ;)
[21:12] <Nightrose> :P
[21:12] <apachelogger> and if that not helps we can always send nakkid pics of nixternal and threaten to not stop unless they send you a summary
[21:12] <Nightrose> haha
[21:12] <Nightrose> i like that idea
[21:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also you can have a summary from me in case that helps ;)
[21:12] <Nightrose> it does not unfortunately :D
[21:12] <apachelogger> on that note, apparently ubuntuone-kde is perceived as very attracting
[21:13] <Nightrose> otoh...
[21:13] <apachelogger> so it indeed paied of that I shot the lead snapshot of my blog post like 30 times
[21:13] <Nightrose> *g*
[21:14]  * apachelogger likes how the colors of sheytan's wallpaper with the orangy ubuntu icon and the plasma theme form a beauty of snapshot
[21:15]  * sheytan wonders if apachelogger will share a screenshot :D
[21:15] <apachelogger> see blog post :P
[21:15] <nixternal> nekkid pics of me is not a good idea. will cause uncontrollable vomiting
[21:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, just tell me how I can help
[21:15] <apachelogger> meanwhile I am getting drunk :P
[21:15]  * apachelogger pours glass of white wine
[21:16]  * apachelogger also pours one for Nightrose
[21:16] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:16] <nixternal> i am at an ubuntu global jam right now. though i am not doing anything. i am as useless at the jam as I am here with kubuntu :)
[21:16] <Nightrose> nixternal: can i make you write a dot story?
[21:16] <Nightrose> about the 4.5 release parties?
[21:16] <apachelogger> I never thought that I would say that but this is one of the few enjoyable gruener veltiners
[21:16] <Nightrose> or at least email all the organizers?
[21:16]  * apachelogger has a lucky hand with wines ^^
[21:17] <Nightrose> asking them for a short summary and pics and links to blog posts
[21:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: as useless as you might be you are still part of the family *hug*
[21:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nooooo! not before he sends emails
[21:17] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:18]  * Nightrose goes back to writing the gsoc dot story
[21:18]  * apachelogger notes that right now a lot of people are useless since KDE 4.5.1 is not yet packaged :P
[21:18]  * apachelogger thinks that ninjas need love
[21:18] <nixternal> i am the bastard child of the family :)
[21:19] <apachelogger> I agree :P
[21:19] <nixternal> Nightrose: I won't be able to do anything for the dot today. i am doing this jam thing for a few more minutes then I have to head home and get ready for my bike ride
[21:19] <Nightrose> k
[21:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r_: pingy
[21:19] <Nightrose> anyone else?
[21:20] <valorie> nixternal: we only did kubuntu at our Jam yesterday
[21:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger: jarp?
[21:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: how would you like to become super duper ninja?
[21:21] <nixternal> i am doing nothing except enjoying a bagle and drink from starbucks
[21:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: is that the meaning of jamming?
[21:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ninjas are cool
[21:22]  * apachelogger never got the meaning
[21:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: but?
[21:22] <nixternal> apachelogger: I guess it could be the meaning. i am using cream cheese instead of jam though :)
[21:23] <apachelogger> you americans prefer cream cheese in the bagle dont you?
[21:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but what kind of ninja do you want i have to become
[21:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: a packaging ninja?
[21:23] <apachelogger> or a promo ninja
[21:23] <apachelogger> or a fanboi ninja
[21:23] <apachelogger> any ninja you want
[21:24] <Xand3r> long time ago that i packaged something
[21:24] <Xand3r> hmm why not
[21:24] <Xand3r> what have i to do?
[21:25] <apachelogger> package KDE 4.5.1? :D
[21:25] <Xand3r> lol
[21:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: seriously!
[21:25] <Xand3r> i will package kde 5.3
[21:26] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I can ship you a source tarball and you make it into a 4.5.1 package
[21:26] <apachelogger> something easy for starters, say kdewebdev?
[21:27] <Xand3r> apachelogger: you know, packaging makes no fun with 45kb/s down stream and a 1,6 GHz Celron M core
[21:27] <apachelogger> well, I did do packaging on a netbook :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> Qt to be exact :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: but maybe you want to try yourself on something else?
[21:28] <apachelogger> promotion maybe?
[21:28] <Xand3r> maybe but you're a pro.
[21:29] <Xand3r> promotion? i cant write without faults
[21:29] <apachelogger> we always proof read each other's stuff
[21:30] <apachelogger> also promotion is not just about writing
[21:30] <apachelogger> you could also create a plan on how we should and could improve our public image
[21:30] <apachelogger> how we should and could communicate our greatness to the public
[21:31] <Xand3r> thats not so easy
[21:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: how so?
[21:33] <Xand3r> hmmm, maybe i will find something, but right now my head is full of my problems withe my moving to jena and giving away my ferrets.
[21:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you are ferretsless? :O you are moving to jena? :O
[21:34]  * apachelogger is clearly not up to speed with what is going on in the family, oh dear
[21:35] <Xand3r> yarp thats the sad but best plan i have
[21:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i am family for you? you are so sweet^^
[21:36]  * Xand3r afk
[21:36]  * apachelogger considers everyone in Kubuntu family :)
[21:38] <Tm_T> apachelogger: yes, son
[21:39]  * apachelogger hugs mom
[21:40] <debfx> apachelogger: do we still have that trigger to highlight all ninjas on irc?
[21:43] <sheytan> Hey
[21:43] <sheytan> is it possible to remove all config files from apps that are not installed anymore?
[21:44] <Tm_T> atleast synaptic has such package group, "residual config" or so
[21:45]  * valorie hugs all the grandkids here
[21:45] <valorie> :-)
[21:45] <valorie> Xand3r: sorry to hear about your ferrets
[21:45] <valorie> I used to have them, and really loved them
[21:45] <valorie> such sweeties
[21:55] <Quintasan> urgh
[21:55] <Quintasan> damn awerty
[21:56] <Xand3r> valorie: true thing
[21:56] <Quintasan> \o
[22:08] <apachelogger> !ninjas
[22:08] <apachelogger> time for KDE 4.5.1!!!!
[22:08] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: stable release?
[22:08] <apachelogger> jussi: ^ it is dated out very much ... do you think we could hook that up with the launchpad team?
[22:09] <apachelogger> debfx: ^
[22:09] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: yes
[22:12] <Quintasan> gah
[22:12]  * Quintasan is heading back home tomorrow
[22:12] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: 1 September is coming, are you afraid? ;-D
[22:14] <Quintasan> ot really
[22:14] <Quintasan> not
[22:14] <Quintasan> TBH I wanted to go to school
[22:14] <ari-tczew> are you f*ckin' kiddin' me? :D
[22:15] <Quintasan> The second half of August is getting boring
[22:15] <Quintasan> I have great classmates so it is not boring for me to go to school
[22:15] <Quintasan> "D
[22:15] <Quintasan> gah
[22:15] <valorie> I love school
[22:16] <Quintasan> </3 awerty
[22:16] <yofel> school is nice, be happy as long as you're there, after that life gets hard :P
[22:16] <ari-tczew> hearing "shut up donkey!"  omg ;p
[22:16] <yofel> haha
[22:17] <Quintasan> Well. I do not hear that very often, unless I'n trying to make someone angry
[22:17] <Quintasan> VERY angry
[22:17] <Quintasan> :3
[22:18] <ari-tczew> to make his/her a rageman?
[22:18] <Quintasan> oh yes
[22:19] <Quintasan> Troll is a art
[22:19] <Quintasan> (mistakes intended)
[22:30] <stanos> stan online
[22:32] <stanos> freeze is on 4 buz ,i am right?
[22:33] <stanos> no buz here i will quit ,another day
[22:39] <valorie> wow, patient person
[22:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can't go in the archive until after Thursday thought (4.5.1)
[22:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, but the longer it takes to package it the less time we can spend on QA, the less time we spend on QA the worse the quality, the worse the quality the more users will be annoyed, the more users are annoyed the harder it is to turn them into contributors
[23:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sure.  I agree with all that.  Just making sure it was all clear.
[23:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: it feels way too cold for uploads anyway ^^


[15:10] <kw> hi guys
[15:11] <kw> ukuu does not show the latest 4.17.6 kernel
[18:47] <heiner__> is this the right place for install support?