 Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: step before beta1
[04:45] <EriC^> oh ok
[04:45] <EriC^> so the features added wont have any more added
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[04:51] <EriC^> cool
[05:27] <conan_> Hey guys whoz up for a strip club in NYC tonight?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> conan_: this also ubuntu chat here
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: welcome
[05:43] <guiverc> thank you lotuspsychje - i didn't know this room existed (my fault) until i saw you post link before in #ubuntu
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: yeah we use it alot to discuss ubuntu news/support
[05:45] <guiverc> :)
[05:55] <Bashing-om> OK - 'nuff of this .. g nite all \o
[05:55] <guiverc> night Bashing-om
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> nite
[05:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I leave it to you and lotuspsychje to take care of support :)
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> have a nice sunday guys
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> out for familly dinner
[07:48] <ducasse> good morning
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[07:46] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[10:23] <surf> hii all, I am bootsraping juju on openstack cloud how much time it will take to complete bootstrap
[10:24] <surf> i am suspecting it is strucked at "Running apt-get upgrade"
[10:24] <surf> please someone help
[10:26] <sparkiegeek> surf: how long is a piece of string? It's impossible to say how long it will take, but if you're having problems you should paste debug logs from bootstrap (e.g. --debug)
[10:27] <sparkiegeek> surf: also, look at https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/models-config#apt-updates-and-upgrades-with-faster-machine-provisioning to turn off the apt step
[10:30] <surf> sparkiegeek: here is my bootstrap command and output http://paste.openstack.org/show/596012/
[10:34] <sparkiegeek> surf: is your OpenStack otherwise healthy? i.e. can you start an instance, assign a floating IP and SSH to that floating IP?
[10:35] <surf> sparkiegeek: yeah my openstack instance is in active state
[10:35] <sparkiegeek> surf: ah somehow I missed the last couple of lines - so it successfully reached the instance in the end
[10:35] <surf> yes
[10:35] <sparkiegeek> surf: so yeah - I think if you've got up to date images in Glance, then you can safely disable the apt update/upgrade steps
[10:37] <surf> sparkiegeek: Tell me the way to do this
[10:38] <sparkiegeek> surf: use the --config option of juju bootstrap and set enable-os-refresh-update and enable-os-upgrade to false
[10:40] <aisrael> Does any documentation for configuring Juju 2 under centos7 exist? The only page in the docs I can find is for 1.24
[10:41] <surf> sparkiegeek: could you provide a sample command
[14:59] <lazyPower> bdx - heyo, i know you're not in office yet, but I'll take a look at your Elasticsearch peering code before I leave office today. Thanks for being patient on that request.
[14:59] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - only a handfull of days left before we go sample the belgium microbrews :D
[16:32] <bdx> lazyPower: 10-4, thx
[16:38] <lazyPower> np np
[16:38] <lazyPower> happy to help where i can
[20:47] <bdx> lazyPower: is there a kubernetes bundle that includes the monitoring pieces?
[20:47] <lazyPower> bdx - looking specifically for the beats bits without manually relating?
[20:47] <lazyPower> ryebot - can you run a quick build and publish to your namespace w/ the monitoring segment? I know we didnt publish that as we haven't settled on naming schema for the addon bundles.
[20:48] <ryebot> lazyPower: yep, no problem
[20:49] <ryebot> lazyPower: cdk or core?
[20:49] <lazyPower> ty ryebot
[20:49] <lazyPower> bdx ^ preference on which base solution?
[20:51] <bdx> lazyPower: canonical-kubernetes?
[20:51] <lazyPower> ryebot ^
[20:51] <ryebot> ack
[20:55] <ryebot> lazyPower bdx: https://jujucharms.com/u/ryeterrell/cdk-flannel-elastic/
[20:55] <ryebot> ^ untested recently
[20:55] <lazyPower> ryebot - a gentleman and a scholar, ty ty ty
[20:56] <ryebot> anytime
[20:56] <bdx> lazyPower, ryebot: thanks!
[21:18] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi_: You good for Tuesday & getting discourse upto date with a Juju charm ?
[21:18] <petevg> kwmonroe: if I'm co-locating two services on the same machine, what's the bundle yaml syntax for putting them in lxd containers?
[21:20] <kwmonroe> petevg: it's "to: blah" to put multiple services on the same machine.. lemme see about lxd directives.
[21:20] <petevg> kwmonroe: I know about the "to" part. Couldn't find the directive bit in the docs ...
[21:20] <kwmonroe> petevg: looks like "to: lxd:n"... https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/charms-bundles#bundle-placement-directives
[21:21] <petevg> kwmonroe: sweet. Thank you :-)
[21:21] <kwmonroe> np
[21:21] <cholcombe> do we have any charms out there that manage ca certs?
[21:22] <kwmonroe> cholcombe: pretty sure lazyPower and mbruzek do that ^^ easyrsa maybe?
[21:22] <rick_h> cholcombe: and wasn't there some look at vault or something in the openstack team for some of that?
[21:22] <cholcombe> kwmonroe, thanks
[21:22] <cholcombe> rick_h, well vault encrypts things at rest
[21:23] <kwmonroe> cholcombe: https://jujucharms.com/u/containers/easyrsa/6 might be what you want
[21:23] <lazyPower> cholcombe it uses a single CA, non encrypted at rest, but easyrsa is our go-to for that atm
[21:23] <lazyPower> its just a bunch of bash wrappers around the openssl cli
[21:23] <cholcombe> lazyPower, that's exactly what i need.  a single ca
[21:23] <lazyPower> if you have an existing CA cert, you should be able to side-load that into the charm as well
[21:23] <lazyPower> consult the readme for specifics
[21:23] <lazyPower> if anythings funky, ping me or mbruzek  and we'll try to step you through it
[21:24] <cholcombe> lazyPower, much appreciated
[21:24] <lazyPower> np np
[21:24] <lazyPower> happy to help where we can
[21:26] <cholcombe> lazyPower, so is easyrsa by containers what i want?
[21:26] <lazyPower> cholcombe yep, thats the latest and greatest. i don't think its gotten a review to be promulgated yet
[21:26] <lazyPower> sof or now the namespace is the difinitive source
[21:26] <cholcombe> that's fine
[21:26] <marcoceppi_> CoderEurope: Yup!
[21:43] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi_: Cheers - see you (at what time UTC??) tomorrow ...
[21:44] <bdx> if I am deploying lxd containers via e.g. `juju deploy ubuntu --to lxd:N` is there anyway to have the production considerations for lxd applied to my juju deployed lxd hosts? does the lxd charm do this?
[21:45] <bdx> should I create a subordinate for this?
[21:45] <rick_h> "the production consideerations"?
[21:46] <bdx> rick_h: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/production-setup.md
[21:47] <lazyPower> host var tuning for open file pointers and what not
[21:48] <lazyPower> yeah, we've talked about this briefly too on the application container side of things
[21:50] <bdx> rick_h, lazyPower: I have a bundle that deploys 14 lxd to a host ... using the aws provider
[21:51] <bdx> rick_h, lazyPower: I'm thinking a subordinate that adds the production setup config for lxd might be the answer I need
[21:52] <lazyPower> bdx - seems like a good work-around until we can tweak/tune that from juju. However i'm not certain how much of that production-setup doc we've encapsulated in the lxd logic of the juju agent.
[21:52] <bdx> rick_h, lazyPower: I was hoping the lxd charm does this already, but it doesn't look like it
[21:52] <lazyPower> there's likely some overlap, but hard to say without investigation
[21:52] <bdx> lazyPower: I don't think any of it has been
[21:54] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi_: Cheers - see you (at what time UTC??) tomorrow ...
[22:20] <marcoceppi_> CoderEurope: 3PM EST / 8PM UTC
[22:21] <CoderEurope> marcoceppi_: gotcha - I shall be there :)
[23:54] <lazyPower> bdx - ok just finished up with piloting a large PR into the k8s repo. lets context switch to elastic questions and then i'm gonna EOD. Is the elastic-charmer doc updated with the most recent information I should be looking at?


[02:18] <sirru5h> Hey there everyone
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> whats your experiences on firefox 57?
[06:00] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just trying 57 out this day . so far pleantly surprised ..it is fast . However, I have yet to get translation to English on web pages to work . On all likelyhood I will go back to chromium .
[06:00] <Bashing-om> pleasantly*
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> i dont know about speed yet
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> should be 2x faster but.. doesnt feel like it
[06:14] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I only percieve FF as a bit faster than chromium ( on SSD ) . Not enough to win me back over .
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> i hear you mate
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> chromium rocknrolls
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> surely over xubuntu :p
[06:21] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well, I came into xubuntu from a core install/xfce4 ( if you recall ) .I did install xubuntu for troubleshooting .. and kept it .
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:31] <immu> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/11/use-ibm-plex-font-ubuntu
[07:23] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:24] <immu> ducasse, goodmorning
[07:24] <immu> howdi
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[07:34] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, getting ready for work today?
[07:35] <oerheks> morning :-)
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> yep
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> almost weekend :p
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> you guys having a good FF experience?
[07:36] <oerheks> ff 57 runs fine
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> 2x faster feeling?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> i still doubt a bit
[07:37] <oerheks> not really feeling faster, bing works great
[07:37] <oerheks> ( i use ff for bing, chrome for google )
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:37] <ducasse> \o oerheks - ff is fine here, seems faster than chromium to me
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> perhaps i should test on a clean system
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> ill test later on my artful
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox bionic
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox artful
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> too early for bugging out bionic
[07:40] <immu> wait and watch
[07:40] <immu> i like the new look
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> watch what
[07:40] <immu> the old UI looked like grandma age
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:49] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[07:50] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:50] <lordievader> How are you doing>
[07:50] <oerheks> :-)
[07:50] <lordievader> ?
[07:50] <ducasse> gulping down the coffee? ;)
[07:50] <lordievader> Hey oerheks
[07:51] <oerheks> coffee is a good idea
[08:25] <jink> Koffie is sowieso altijd een goed idee.
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one guys
[08:27] <lordievader> Not 5 min before you are going to bed...
[08:28] <oerheks> coffee in bed is not bed
[08:28] <oerheks> err bad
[08:29] <ducasse> have fun, lotuspsychje!
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> tnx ducasse
[08:30] <oerheks> making cookies and bread all day, sure it is fun
[08:32] <ducasse> what kind of cookies? :)
[08:32] <oerheks> dunno, we should plan a surprise visit
[08:41] <EriC^^> morning all
[08:43] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[08:43] <ducasse> hi EriC^^
[08:43] <EriC^^> hey lordievader
[08:43] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[08:43] <EriC^^> how are you both doing?
[08:46] <ducasse> having a quiet morning so far, how about you?
[08:46] <lordievader> Doing good here
[08:46] <EriC^^> same here, pretty quiet morning
[08:48] <EriC^^> hey Bashing-om o/
[08:51] <oerheks> LETS MAKE SOME NOISE!
[08:51] <lordievader> oerheks: ssshhhh
[08:51] <ducasse> !ding
[09:01] <immu> i like Tea chai- kadaak chai (tea/Black Tea)
[09:11] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: What it be my friend ?
[09:11] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: just saying hello :)
[09:11] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: That too is a good thing :)
[09:12] <EriC^^> :D
[09:17] <immu> hello eric
[09:40] <EriC^^> hey immu
[09:42] <Bashing-om> Well, 'Nuff again , Yall take care \o
[09:44] <immu> hey
[12:54] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[12:54] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)
[12:54] <pauljw> how are you today?
[12:55] <oerheks> hi pauljw, sun is shining here, awesome weather
[12:55] <EriC^^> good thanks, you?
[12:55] <pauljw> hey oerheks :)  bit chilly and cloudy here this morning...
[12:55] <pauljw> doing well thanks EriC^^
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:08] <oerheks> heya BluesKaj
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[13:11] <BluesKaj> well the new Firefox Quantum didn't live up to expectations on my pc, chrome is still  better adapted to older machines IMV
[13:14] <oerheks> ff 57 works great here, but i have read some noticed issues in speed and cpu use
[13:14] <BluesKaj> especially cpu use
[13:15] <daftykins> is that even with a clean profile?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> a couple of addons
[13:17] <daftykins> what are you seeing it do versus chrome? chrome is still notorious for resource consumption i'm sure :)
[13:17] <daftykins> even here on Windows
[13:19] <BluesKaj> daftykins, actually in my case FF used more cpu than chrome on the web site playing back the same video
[13:19] <daftykins> o0 hmm wonder what the player was
[13:19] <BluesKaj> even with hardware acceleration enabled on both
[13:20] <BluesKaj> using HTML5 every'where addon on FF
[13:21] <daftykins> ah well, always heard FF is a lot worse on Linux than Windows
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , seems so
[13:26] <daftykins> no time for old hardware now, too :)
[13:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, this pc has had HW improvements over the yrs , but I might be forced to look at newer technology soon
[13:28] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, daftykins :)
[13:28] <daftykins> \o
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[13:30] <pauljw> i've noticed a big reduction in cpu and memory use with ff57, but it seems slower loading pages here.
[13:31] <daftykins> o0
[13:32] <pauljw> it's also more difficult to determine how much cpu and mem it's really using since there are several instances of "Web Content" associated with it.
[13:34] <immu> hi allll
[13:35] <daftykins> \o
[13:36] <pauljw> hi immu :)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yeah the best test is to run the same website video on both browsers and in my case chrome still wins with fewer buffers than FF on my crappy dsl connection, but I'm too cheap to shell out for the fiber optic cable option
[13:42] <immu> how many of you all are on 16.04 LTS?
[13:42] <daftykins> got a couple on it, most servers under my control are still on 14.04
[13:43] <EriC^^> good ol' trusty
[13:43] <immu> any reason for not moving onto 16.04
[13:43] <EriC^^> had the best fitting name imo
[13:43] <EriC^^> i'm on 16.04 btw
[13:43] <daftykins> :D
[13:44] <daftykins> just too many services to rebuild without proper planning - also LTS is good until 2019, so why move sooner than you need to
[13:44] <EriC^^> immu: not really, it's good
[13:44] <immu> you on 16.04?
[13:44] <EriC^^> yeah for a server it's definitely a hastle
[13:44] <immu> EriC^^, i mean
[13:44] <ducasse> if it ain't broken...
[13:44] <EriC^^> immu: yeah
[13:45] <immu> ducasse, daftykins i had a hunch for it :)
[13:45] <EriC^^> immu: the only "bad" thing i can think about regarding 16.04 is xchat disappearing from the repos
[13:45] <immu> so will you move to 18.04 EriC^^ when its comes
[13:45] <immu> *out
[13:46] <EriC^^> maybe, i didn't like 17.10 that much, i didn't use it a lot just a vm til now
[13:47] <EriC^^> it feels like a 'fake' unity to me
[13:47] <immu> yup to me too EriC^^
[13:47] <immu> its just to easy the shock of moving to gnome
[13:47] <immu> ease
[13:48] <immu> i am on hexchat
[13:48] <pauljw> EriC^^, hexchat replaced xchat and is virtually identical and supported.
[13:49] <immu> preferred IRC chat app
[13:49] <EriC^^> pauljw: i know, i tried using it, god knows i did, i even tried using the xchat font plug in and stuff
[13:50] <pauljw> oh, i didn't realize there were issues, it just worked here for me.
[13:50] <EriC^^> not really issues, it just aesthetically didn't look like xchat in the end
[13:51] <pauljw> ah, i see, guess i'm not that perceptive... :)
[13:52] <ducasse> i thought hexchat was just an actively maintained fork?
[13:52] <EriC^^> when i like something, i have a hard time letting go i guess, i sucked on my thumb til i was like 12
[13:53] <BluesKaj> that's another reason why i use kde/plasma.....konversation
[13:53] <immu> yeah i understand EriC^^ i am so with you on it, i still like and use unity
[13:53] <pauljw> that's funny EriC^^ , i did too, till i discovered girls...
[13:53] <EriC^^> :D
[13:53] <immu> can we install a newer kernel on LTS releases
[13:54] <EriC^^> yeah there are the hwe stacks and mainline kernels for the more recent ones
[13:54] <immu> how many like gnome over unity?
[13:55] <immu> which kernel version are you running?
[13:55] <EriC^^> the stock one 4.4.0-98 i think
[14:16] <immu> back
[14:17] <immu> i didn't how i quit
[14:38] <immu> EriC^^, hi what happ every one went quiet?
[14:42]  * BluesKaj has bite to eat
[14:59] <immu> how do u do that @BluesKaj ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> immu, it 's juat an "expression" which i misquoted, it should read "has a bite to eat"
[15:01] <BluesKaj> juat=just
[15:01] <immu> but how did you do it that's what i want to know
[15:03] <BluesKaj> a bite to eat means a small amount of food and in my case it was some bran in a bowl with milk
[15:06] <immu> * BluesKaj has bite to eat | this i want to know
[15:07] <BluesKaj> sorry immu if you don't understand "expression" , thought i made it clear
[15:08] <immu> i understood what you meant, but the way you typed it that's what i want to know, i have seen others also do it
[15:09] <daftykins> immu: "/me <something>" is the above
[15:09]  * daftykins <something>
[15:09] <daftykins> :)
[15:09] <immu> tnx daftykins and BluesKaj  :)
[15:10] <immu> immu /me test
[15:10] <daftykins> no nickname, just start the line with /me
[15:10]  * immu <test>
[15:10] <immu> aaah
[15:10]  * immu <dancing with joy after knowing it>
[15:10] <immu> lol
[15:11] <immu> brb
[15:40] <nicomachus> immu gets a little excitable doesn't he
[15:47] <ducasse> daftykins, you've created a monster!
[15:52] <daftykins> ;D
[15:52] <daftykins> you'll see it every other line now
[15:52] <daftykins> i like the way he's still using <> too
[15:55] <BluesKaj> hehe
[15:55] <daftykins> it's the same as when you give commands in " " and the folks still type it
[15:56] <ducasse> this Azureus person in #u keeps showing up every day begging for help with the same crappy hardware, then either ignore the advice they are given or being unable to understand it due to language problems. usually a different nick, though.
[15:56] <daftykins> ugh i despised those users, get the same thing in #kodi with these idiots trying to use Kodi on museum pieces
[15:57] <ducasse> this is an acer es1-132
[15:58] <daftykins> looks like a baytrail celeron
[15:58] <daftykins> and what do they want to do, take it to the moon? :
[15:58] <daftykins> :)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> my brain wasn't cluing in to what he was asking, after daftykins told him the /username thing I felt abit dense, guess my days dealing with people who's first language isn't english has deteriorated since my parents passed
[15:58] <ducasse> daftykins: do a couple of searches on model + linux - it's a known bad model
[15:59] <ducasse> as in, nothing works ootb :)
[15:59] <daftykins> eh i was just looking at the hardware straight off
[15:59] <daftykins> lawl
[15:59] <daftykins> BluesKaj: i was totally with you for 80% of the way, had no idea what he was getting at :)
[15:59] <daftykins> benefit of fresh eyes
[15:59] <BluesKaj> right
[16:00] <ducasse> me neither, "you want to know how to _eat_?" :)
[16:01] <BluesKaj> thinking this old HP AMD cpu is beginning to get too old, maybe a new mobo, cpu and PSU kit might be in order in the spring
[16:02] <daftykins> was that an Athlon X2?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> amd 52000+ cpu
[16:02] <BluesKaj> err 5200+
[16:03] <BluesKaj> dual core
[16:03] <daftykins> mmm Athlon 64 X2, ouchie
[16:03] <ducasse> lotus has something similar, doesn't he?
[16:04] <daftykins> yep can't be far off
[16:04] <ducasse> must be very patient, running gnome on that with 2g ram...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> yeah Athlon X2, 9yrs old npw
[16:05] <daftykins> 2GB D:
[16:05] <BluesKaj> 6G ram, samsung ssd, nvidia gt218
[16:06] <BluesKaj> crappy interent, seems to be getting slower ....gotta convince the wife we need fiber internet
[16:07] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: it's worth the investment.
[16:07] <nicomachus> even though I never seem to actually get gigabit speeds...
[16:07] <nacc> (pet peeve -- it's not an investment)
[16:07] <nacc> you get nothing directly financially back from it :)
[16:07] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, it's fine service but it suffers from crfeep chatges
[16:08] <BluesKaj> creep
[16:08] <nacc> you can say it's worth giving the giant companies more money than they deserve
[16:08] <ducasse> BluesKaj: remind her how much money you make giving support here ;)
[16:08] <nicomachus> eh, right now I'm getting 913.36 down and 541.52 up
[16:08] <nicomachus> nacc: it's an investment if I can transfer large files for work faster. :D
[16:08] <BluesKaj> one signs for a 150/mos bundle and within 2 yrs itr's over 300
[16:09] <BluesKaj> err 300
[16:09] <nicomachus> I've got a 3 year contract, luckily
[16:09] <nicomachus> $143 for fiber internet and TV
[16:09] <BluesKaj> 200 damn it
[16:09] <daftykins> O_O
[16:09] <BluesKaj>  nicomachus that'snice
[16:09] <daftykins> that's horrific money, even factoring in conversion
[16:10] <nicomachus> It would be $120 if I could get Google Fiber where I live
[16:10] <nicomachus> but the building didn't want to ppay for the install
[16:10] <BluesKaj> the bundle incudes tv service
[16:10] <nicomachus> yep. HBO included free for 3 years too. I feel like I got a good deal.
[16:11] <nicomachus> They gave me a router/ap with 5ghz disabled though.
[16:11] <nicomachus> but I just hooked up my AP
[16:12] <daftykins> so it's actually in there?
[16:12] <daftykins> surprising if nobody has worked out the way to enable and documented it
[16:13] <nicomachus> it's there, they said it just doesn't have the "necessary firmware upgrades".
[16:13] <nicomachus> whatever that means.
[16:13] <nicomachus> they also require me to use their AT&T DNS
[16:13] <nicomachus> but using my own AP lets me point DNS requests to my raspberry pi running pi-hole
[16:15] <daftykins> i'm in a bind for a clients setup where i want to combine two OSs into one server but the hardware is too old to support PCI passthrough :/
[16:17] <ducasse> i pay somewhere around £30-35 for 250mbps, tv and hbo nordic, no dns silliness :) why would you have to use theirs - do they do dns filtering?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[16:19] <daftykins> nicomachus: do you mean the ISP router prevents reconfiguration, or does it genuinely stop you querying say, Google DNS if configured on a device behind it?
[16:20] <nicomachus> it doesn't allow you to change the DNS configuration
[16:21] <daftykins> yeah that's not too big a deal then
[16:22] <nicomachus> yea, so pointing my AP at the rpi for DNS requests is an easy fix.
[16:22] <nicomachus> should be unnecessary, but easy.
[16:25] <daftykins> the AP handles DHCP? o0
[16:26] <nicomachus> no, pi-hole does!
[16:28] <daftykins> so in that case the AP does nothing to do with DNS or telling devices that connect to it anything :)
[16:28] <nicomachus> https://screenshots.firefox.com/RfrtuLqyf17BAsft/<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:29] <nicomachus> I'm curious if that link works ^
[16:29] <daftykins> it does
[16:29] <nicomachus> cool stuff.
[16:29] <nicomachus> ff57's built-in screenshot tool
[16:29] <daftykins> think it was more your choice of phrasing than the mechanics of how you run things that i was confused by though :)
[16:29] <daftykins> TJ-: welcome back \o
[16:29] <TJ-> Hmmm; just tried to install 17.10 desktop in a VM. It wants 8.3GB just to install!
[16:30]  * TJ- waves
[16:30] <daftykins> 8.3GB O_O
[16:30] <nicomachus> daftykins: that sounds pretty typical.
[16:30] <daftykins> lots of RAM allocated so swap included?
[16:31] <TJ-> Not very impressed with the Gnome Shell thing either; no categories of applications in the "show applications" chooser and many entries are unrecognisable because the names are ellipsed and  no popup long-form if the pointer hovers over them either. E.g. currently looking at 6 of "LibreOffice ..." !!!
[16:32] <nicomachus> TJ-: just use rofi
[16:32] <daftykins> it's an odd year, so i'm turned off by both releases :)
[16:32] <TJ-> daftykins: 3GiB RAM.. thing is, it should direct the user to do a custom disk config, not just offer to Quit without any explanation or even link to help wiki
[16:33] <daftykins> oh ok it didn't even do the old "guided/manual/entire disk" step?
[16:33] <TJ-> I'm in the 'Try Ubuntu' session right now; will see what I can do to hack the thing into submission. I swear modern 'developers' have absolutely no concept of usabilty nor conservation of resources!
[16:34] <TJ-> daftykins: no, this is the first step after Language
[16:34] <daftykins> ouch
[16:34] <TJ-> No very user friendly
[16:38] <TJ-> Reminds of a Hacker News comment thread I was reading earlier today, about Microsoft releasing an update to the Office Equation Editor, and some bright spark had spotted that they actually shipped a binary patch that altered about 40 bytes with new machine-code (assembly instructions) in the installed binary. Lots of dev's shouting about oh, MS must have lost the source-code and how terrible it was.
[16:38] <TJ-> Then someone pointed out that parts of equation-editor are binary blobs inside Office documents and therefore the entry points for functions couldn't be changed, and others figured out the original 80-odd bytes had been reduced to very effecient 60-odd, and another hacker re-wrote it to use just 32 :) ... See... that's PROGRAMMING!
[16:39] <TJ-> The point being, a rebuild from source would change the function entry points and break backward compatibility, but a binary patch won't
[16:39] <daftykins> so it just leaves more blank space?
[16:39] <TJ-> Yes, and fixes a bug to boot :)
[16:40] <TJ-> Just insert No-Ops instructions in the bytes that are no longer used. Classic patching technique
[16:40] <TJ-> Hmmm... 17.10 Try... desktop has gone to a big clock. I'm clicking all over but can't get back to the desktop; any ideas?
[16:41] <daftykins> ctrl do anything? virt tech 'engagement' not made?
[16:42] <TJ-> pointer is working; i can pull down the 'power' task-bar icon sub-menu and so on
[16:42] <TJ-> This reminds me pointedly why I dropped Gnome/Unity many years ago!
[16:44] <TJ-> Tried hitting all manor of keys too but no sign it is reacting. CPU usage is low so it's not spinning on something
[16:52] <ducasse> i read somewhere you need to 'drag' down or up the lock screen like on a touch device
[16:52] <daftykins> ugh
[16:53] <TJ-> haha... thanks... I'll try that... once I've figure out how to wake the thing up! I pressed the || (pause button) on the sub-menu that shows up when clicking on the sound icon top-right and it seems to have suspended the VM! Now I cannot figure out from the VM how to simulate a power-on. Tried all the obvious things, including stopping/restarting the VM itself
[16:53] <ducasse> not tried it myself, though, but it sounds like a move the gnome devs would make
[16:54] <TJ-> It's terrible! what idiot thinks using the symbol for pausing sound/video, on a menu that includes a sound volume control, should suspend the thing!? for that matter, why does the power icon and sound icon share the same sub-menu!?
[16:56] <daftykins> those sound so ridiculous as to almost make me want to download it and see for myself
[16:56] <TJ-> daftykins: I am only doing it to try to reproduce that issue yesterday where sudo freezes when system is offline
[16:57] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:57] <TJ-> But this is plain silly! Can't find a way to have 'virt manager' send a power-resume event - only has options (in GUI) for typical Alt+Ctrl keypresses etc
[16:58] <TJ-> Common theme here.. RedHat employs the primary devs!
[16:58] <TJ-> I used to admire RH engineering but the last few years... not so much
[16:58] <ducasse> daftykins: </me points thumb at TJ- and whispers> - he'll blow any second now
[16:59] <ducasse> ;)
[17:03] <nicomachus> 11:01 < ipatrol> Of course, my install is littered with PPAs because I have a
[17:03] <nicomachus> frequent need for bleeding-edge software
[17:03] <nicomachus> 11:02 < ipatrol> I'd probably be on Arch if I didn't have enough headaches
[17:03] <nacc> stupid.
[17:03] <ducasse> ...but he's still on 16.10
[17:03] <nicomachus> already
[17:04] <nicomachus> I popped in, read that, popped out
[17:04] <daftykins> 'frequent need' ? :)
[17:05] <daftykins> frequent need for problems more like
[17:07] <nicomachus> he keeps making less and less sense.
[17:07] <nacc> yep, full of horse doodoo
[17:08] <ducasse> it's friday again, sure enough - the crazies are coming for the weekend
[17:10]  * nacc adds to the ignore
[17:12] <BluesKaj> wait tiltomorrow , there'll be trolls and nutters galore
[17:12]  * nacc is looking forward to being out of the office for the next while, even if it will be stressful.  :D
[17:16] <leftyfb> ah
[17:16] <nacc> TJ-: if you want to deal with the stress of an international adoption for me :)
[17:17] <TJ-> nacc: easy... compared to working around RH bugs!
[17:17] <nicomachus> did he leave?
[17:18] <TJ-> OK, so, in Virt Manager, powered-off the VM. Restarted it, drops to UEFI shell... why? Because the ISO I'd connected during configuration has been dropped from the config (presumably on the assumption it was only used to install and power-off means no longer needed)... but no link to the original ISO remains. Surely it's obvious that in managing VMs this way the user might need/want to at least know
[17:18] <TJ-> where the image was installed from?
[17:20] <leftyfb> i've noticed that
[17:20] <immu> https://launchpad.net/~dale-f-beaudoin
[17:21] <nacc> immu: ?
[17:22] <immu> team or guy which will work towards having a separate unity7 desktop or distro
[17:23] <immu> https://launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers
[17:30] <immu> for those who want to see a seperate Unit7 based distro spin
[17:32] <TJ-> OK, stuck with the 17.10 desktop clock again!
[17:33] <TJ-> aha! I randomly hit keys and it cleared it. I wish I'd checked which key!
[17:54] <immu> how many would wish to see a seperate unity7 based flavour of ubuntu
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:59] <ducasse> my my, lotuspsychje is here! wb :)
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> yayy weekend!
[17:59] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[17:59]  * ducasse blows his kazoo
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> how was your day ducasse lol
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:59] <TJ-> OK, stuck at the U.G desktop 'screensaver' clock again and cannot find the random key I pressed last time to unlock it! Any ideas?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[17:59]  * TJ- waves
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> gnome has a screensaver?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-screensaver
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> this one TJ- ?
[18:07] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: had a good day here, getting troll-y now. you?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/11/ubuntu-unity-remix
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: nice day at work about to watch the voice of flanders
[18:08] <ducasse> will you be participating next year? ;)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> miauw sure
[18:09]  * lotuspsychje gets another beer to smear throat
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> have a nice evening guys, tv time
[18:19] <immu> http://people.ubuntu.com/~twocamels/archive/
[18:19] <immu> ubuntu-unity-amd64.iso
[19:08] <immu> hi all EriC^^ i am on unity7 on 17.10
[19:08] <immu> ducasse, lordievader
[19:09] <immu> ubuntu feels so much faster with Unity7.x
[19:10] <daftykins> versus which desktop environment?
[19:10] <immu> gnome
[19:10] <immu> the 3.26.1
[19:10] <daftykins> oh so 17.10 default? not seen it yet
[19:12] <immu> meaning daftykins
[19:14] <nacc> unity7 wasn't the discussio anyways!
[19:14] <nacc> it was about unity8
[19:14] <immu> yeah i am on 17.10 but running Unity7 as DE
[19:14] <nacc> gnome works great, i have no issues with it, and have not since 16.04 and i hate unity
[19:14] <nacc> don't force that garbage down my throat :)
[19:15] <oerheks> wobbly windows
[19:15] <oerheks> i need it, so..
[19:15] <nacc> lol
[19:15] <nacc> i was into that ... a while ago
[19:15] <nacc> and then realized it was nonise
[19:15] <nacc> *noise
[19:16] <oerheks> well, it is like flightsimulator or a race game, non-serious cpu use
[19:16] <immu> Unity7 is the best DE ever
[19:16] <TJ-> same here nacc was into GUIs... then realised they're noise. console rules :D
[19:17] <nacc> yeah, i don't want my DE to be a game
[19:17] <daftykins> space invaders!
[19:17] <TJ-> Unity was worse than Gnome (that's saying something!) on my laptop's primary config
[19:17] <daftykins> dodge the angry processes to keep them running
[19:17] <nacc> also I need every precious cpu cycle i can get when i'm doing builds locally
[19:17] <nacc> TJ-: same here, which is why i switched to ubuntu gnome immediately
[19:18] <TJ-> nacc: ahhh... I use distcc and hand them off to other systems :)
[19:18] <oerheks> builds of bitcoins?
[19:18] <nacc> oerheks: ubuntu pacakges
[19:18] <oerheks> oh :-D
[19:18] <nacc> oerheks: for your consumption :)
[19:18] <nacc> (well source packages)
[19:18] <nacc> also i am the maintainer of git-ubuntu, and all of htat work
[19:18] <nacc> importing a source package repository takes a lot of cpu and disk (mostly disk)
[19:19] <oerheks> yeah, i read you sometimes in #ubuntu-hardening
[19:19] <TJ-> nacc: I'm investigating switching to MAAS for managing my entire estate from my custom scripts since I discovered it even supports my power CDUs, so it can do the power on/off of nodes as required.
[19:20] <nacc> oerheks: yeah :)
[19:20] <TJ-> although having sat in the #maas channel for a few weeks, and seen the number of bug reports relating to obvious situations the dev's should have coded for, I'm holding off.
[19:20] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, my team works closesly with the maas folks
[19:20] <nacc> TJ-: it's supposed to be nice, but i do't have enough hardware to deal with it
[19:20] <nacc> although it can do lxd and vm provisioning
[19:20] <nacc> so might be worth setting it up just to manage my older/larger desktop
[19:20] <TJ-> nacc: yes, that's what attracted me... being able to control bare-metal through container bring-up
[19:21] <nacc> TJ-: yeah
[19:21] <nacc> TJ-: the idea is sound. I think the newer releases of maas are better
[19:21] <nacc> and i think they are snappinng it as well
[19:21] <nacc> so fixes are comig out quickly
[19:21] <TJ-> right now I've a bunch of flexible shell scripts that run on a raspi ... not sure the maas controllers would be OK on that
[19:21] <nacc> TJ-: not sure either
[19:22] <TJ-> I can go from 0 watts power draw to several KW in a few seconds right now (raspi is battery powered, solar/wind trickle charging)
[19:22] <nacc> heh
[19:24] <TJ-> as long as the router has a link I can bring up and launch jobs from anywhere and know the hardware will power off once the jobs are done
[19:25] <TJ-> still trying to figure out how to tie ubiquity's hands and let me install :)
[19:25] <TJ-> I hate software that thinks it knows better than me
[19:27] <nacc> TJ-: have you tried subiquity out yet?
[19:27] <nacc> TJ-: or possibly, have you tried just using cloud images and cloud-init?
[19:28] <TJ-> not for launching from a VM for desktop no. I have been meaning to try server-ubiquity
[19:29] <nacc> yeah, i know there's a lot of time goign into it, but i also haven't really looked at it
[19:30] <nacc> it's all being done by foundations right now and not the server team, oddly :)
[19:31] <TJ-> well makes sense; I used to hack on ubiquity and it's a code-base you really have to be 'inside' to work on.
[19:31] <TJ-> without a deep understanding of d-i too, you're toast
[19:32] <TJ-> there are so many workarounds and hacks in there too
[19:41] <nacc> TJ-: true true
[19:55] <nacc> TJ-: oh you might also be interested in the new minimal cloud images
[19:55] <nacc> not sure if they are being published yet
[19:55] <nacc> but that might also be handy for your env, depending
[19:56] <TJ-> how much more minimal can they get?!
[19:57] <nacc> TJ-: oh very
[19:57] <nacc> the cloud images are closer to a server install
[19:57] <nacc> the minimal will be ... fully trimmed, i thinkn
[19:57] <TJ-> my container images are already extremely small; not sure what more could be removed from them
[19:57] <nacc> TJ-: do you have your own images?
[19:58] <nacc> TJ-: or are you using ubuntu: or images: ?
[19:59] <TJ-> my own images
[19:59] <nacc> ah sure
[20:00] <TJ-> for bug testing I pull ubuntu: images
[20:00] <nacc> right, these are the 'official' cloud images that are getting minified
[20:00] <nacc> (i believe)
[20:00] <TJ-> they should be around 250MB
[23:35] <Ben64> how can i build stuff for my own ppa? having problems with dependencies and the documentation seems to be lacking
[23:38] <Bashing-om> Ben64: Guys in #ubuntuforums have there own . might get some pointers there .
[23:43] <TJ-> Bashing-om: what are you trying to do? usually I test build in a local pbuilder or schroot
[23:43] <TJ-> ooops
[23:43] <TJ-> Ben64: what are you trying to do? usually I test build in a local pbuilder or schroot
[23:43] <Ben64> trying to get a newer version of qemu into xenial
[23:43] <TJ-> only after that works do I dput it to LP
[23:44] <Ben64> pbuilder complains about dependencies, but i don't know how to tell it to use a newer version
[23:44] <TJ-> can you show the log messages?
[23:44] <Ben64> i'll have to re-run it
[23:44] <TJ-> Ben64: if underlying packages have been updated too, they need installing into the pbuilder at build time
[23:44] <TJ-> is that what you've had to do?
[23:45] <Ben64> pbuilder wouldn't take multiple files as input
[23:45] <Ben64> but i'm sure i'm not doing it right
[23:45] <TJ-> I wrote a script that automates it, a hook, let me see if i can find it
[23:46] <TJ-> here's my original write-up/instructions/scripts http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/Packages/CreatingPbuilderVariations
[23:46]  * nacc highly recomends sbuild over pbuilder, tbh
[23:47] <nacc> and/or use `git ubuntu build` :)
[23:47] <TJ-> yes, my instructions are 10 years+ old (but still work)
[23:47] <nacc> Ben64: tbh, updating qemu into an older distro is a pain
[23:47] <nacc> Ben64: the dependencies are hellish
[23:47] <nacc> Ben64: you need a fair number of updated libs
[23:47] <nacc> although someone else asked something else recently
[23:48] <nacc> if you point your ppa to use backports you might be able to backportpackage it
[23:48] <nacc> i do not recommend doingn it on your own system unless you don't want to use it for anything else for a while
[23:49] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, some people love pbuilder. I found it a pain to setup. sbuild is too, but you just do it once, and our team has a relatively straightforward method to do it
[23:49] <nacc> LXD is what `git ubuntu build` ends up using
[23:49] <nacc> similar but not exactly like what the buildd do for actual building of packages
[23:49] <TJ-> interestingly, in my article, I mention i was building KVM in the "Cross-compiling architecture problems" section :) So I must have been doing what Ben's doing
[23:49] <Ben64> for a bit i grabbed artful's qemu but that was ... difficult to undo
[23:49] <TJ-> thank goodness i cannot remember all this stuff I've done :)
[23:50] <nacc> TJ-: :)
[23:50] <nacc> Ben64: what's your end goal?
[23:50] <Ben64> to just have a newer qemu, so ryzen works better in the VM
[23:50] <nacc> Ben64: do you use virt-manager/libvirt ?
[23:50] <Ben64> yeah
[23:51] <nacc> Ben64: yeah, so you'll have to build that too, i think
[23:51] <nacc> (iirc because libvirt knows about qemu's cli syntax and when it changes)
[23:51] <nacc> and 2.5 may not be compatible to 2.10
[23:51] <nacc> Ben64: so ... do you want the version in artful?
[23:51] <Ben64> or maybe i can wait till april and just go to 18.04 :)
[23:51] <nacc> heh
[23:51] <nacc> yeah, that'd be 'easiest'
[23:51] <Ben64> i just figured artful is the latest
[23:52] <nacc> Ben64: ok, i'd just try a backportpacakge
[23:52] <Ben64> from what i've seen, 2.6+ works with ryzen
[23:52] <TJ-> Ben64:  you could try running 17.10 as a privileged LXD container :)
[23:52] <Ben64> i get a bunch of cpu errors on my vm now, and something crashes my computer on occasion, but i think that's a GPU thing
[23:53] <nacc> Ben64: backportpackage -d xenial -u ppa:... qemu -s artful
[23:53] <nacc> Ben64: that *may* fail, but it will probably fail due to debhelper
[23:53] <nacc> which is in xenial-backports, so you'd need to tweak the ppa deps first
[23:53] <nacc> it might still fail then, but it should be somehwat debuggable (just more debs you need to backport first)
[23:53] <nacc> a PPA will use itself for its deps when it builds
[23:54] <Ben64> what's the -u ppa:...
[23:54] <nacc> Ben64: a ppa url
[23:54] <nacc> eg. ppa:nacc/php
[23:54] <nacc> is my php ppa
[23:54] <nacc> (if it existed)
[23:54] <nacc> Ben64: imo, much easier to let launchpad deal with the actual building
[23:55] <TJ-> not using the ppa:~tj/php syntax now?
[23:55] <TJ-> I loved my little squiggle
[23:55] <nacc> TJ-: i don't think you ever needed it, at least not i the last 2 years
[23:55] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/dlmtransition e.g.
[23:56] <nacc> the recommended form is no ~
[23:56] <TJ-> ahh
[23:56] <nacc> (as the field after ppa: before / is definnitionally a username
[23:56] <nacc> (where user can also be a group)
[23:56] <Ben64> ooh, backportpackage seems fun
[23:56] <nacc> Ben64: yeah it's really powerful :)
[23:56] <nacc> Ben64: it cann in turn build locally before uploading (e.g., usign pbuilder or sbuild)
[23:57] <TJ-> I've figured out how to hack ubiquity even when it wants to refuse to install. But it's on the squashfs r/o file-system, so I've now got to use overlayfs with a tmpfs to be able to modify the file! ... it's Turtles all the way down
[23:58] <nacc> TJ-: you can bind mount files in place
[23:58] <nacc> TJ-: would that help you?
[23:58] <nacc> TJ-: i learned that trick recently for hacking an as-installed snap
[23:58] <TJ-> good idea.. for a single file yes maybe... I may be editing more than one though :)
[23:58] <nacc> (which is mounted readonly)
[23:58] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, it depends on usage
[23:58] <nacc> it ends up resembling what you are doing anyways
[23:59] <nacc> given a ro base, but a rw shim on top
[23:59] <TJ-> I may as well use overlay since it'll map over everything then
[23:59] <nacc> yep


[10:38] <zeroseven0183> Ehem
[11:17] <redvil> good evening ppl..anyone here knows an app in ubuntu that can be used with iPhone?
[15:44] <mondeq> gandang gabi
[15:44] <mondeq> help naman po!


[06:56] <ikt> hi all
[08:00] <head_victim> Good news!
[08:00] <head_victim> The drupal update is now being worked on. No idea how long it will take but the project has started at least.
[14:43] <ikt> how is it 1am already O.O
[14:54] <gggs> ikt: suprise!
[14:56] <gggs> oh cool, I inadvertantly watched one of the first screenings in the world of a new movie release, "In Time"
[14:58] <ikt> what's it like?
[15:00] <gggs> I was going to see "Real Steel" but I was running late & got stuck in the line, I'd never heard of it and  didn't even know what it was about
[15:00] <gggs> yea it wasn't a bad movie if you can ignore/accept the premise of the movie
[15:02] <gggs> I think Timberlake's become a decent actor, unique enough plot
[15:06] <ikt> :/
[15:06] <ikt> timberlake
[15:06] <gggs> hah yea I know
[15:11] <gggs> don't worry, he never starts singing
[15:19] <ikt> :D
[15:19] <ikt> doing anything linuxy wise gggs ?
[15:21] <ikt> atm I'm just trying to install the draytek smartmonitor program which is failing :/
[15:21] <gggs> not at the moment, I'm actually about to call it a night
[15:22] <gggs> I've never heard of it
[15:22] <ikt> know about draytek modems?
[15:22] <gggs> not a thing I'm afraid
[15:23] <ikt> ah
[15:23] <ikt> me as well until a few months ago
[15:23] <ikt> they're like billions except the interface doesn't suck and the features are actually good
[15:23] <ikt> there's several members in my house using all my downloads
[15:23] <ikt> and I can see who's doing it by the 'data monitor'
[15:23] <gggs> looks like traffic analysis software, can't you use a FOSS solution?
[15:24] <ikt> it updates in real time with the amount of traffic per ip
[15:24] <ikt> the program is I can't capture it
[15:24] <ikt> so that's where this thing comes into it
[15:24] <ikt> http://www.draytek.com/.upload/Demo/Smart%20Monitor_2.0/
[15:24] <ikt> hopefully that will have some hard evidence
[15:25] <ikt> except atm i can't install it on my linux box because it fails trying to install qq
[15:27] <gggs> I'm sure you could shape traffic, give each user a quota
[15:27] <ikt> possibly
[15:27] <ikt> i like mrtg and nagios are a bit overkill
[15:27] <ikt> it's annoying them using the downloads but not end of the world stuff
[15:27] <ikt> which is why I like this draytek thing
[15:27] <ikt> if it would work ._.
[15:28] <gggs> ikt: hah, good luck with it, I'm off to bed
[15:28] <ikt> kk
[15:28] <ikt> btw
[15:28] <ikt> quickly, did you see the meeting thing?
[15:29] <gggs> ?
[15:29] <ikt> http://doodle.com/bpz47isrg9q7xz23
[15:29] <ikt> need more people!
[15:29] <ikt> wtb more people at meetings
[15:30] <gggs> I'm not on the Ubuntu-au team, I just lurk
[15:30] <ikt> that's ok, you can come to :D
[15:31] <ikt> atm we have around 5-6 people, I think it would be best around 10 or so
[15:31] <ikt> just to get things moving
[15:32] <ikt> but anyways
[15:32] <ikt> gnights gggs :)
[15:33] <gggs> 'night dude


[00:33] <darkmatter> looks like gPod.. err.. gnome-shell now uses the users fonts/rendering
[11:27] <vish> kwwii: hi, i'm inclined to mark the suggest wallpaper in theme bug "wont fix".. is that ok?
[11:27] <vish> i dont see any benefit there..
[11:32] <ubuntujenkins> does anyone know where i can get the source of the gnome-spinner like the one in /usr/share/icons/Humanity/animations/32 ?
[11:33] <ubuntujenkins> I'd like a much bigger one.
[11:35] <kwwii> vish: yes, go please do
[11:36] <vish> kwwii: thanks..
[11:36] <kwwii> ubuntujenkins: if you are looking in humanity, there must be svg's available
[11:38] <ubuntujenkins> kwwii: there isn't one in the folders. Is there a source branch or similar
[11:39] <kwwii> vish: ^
[11:39] <kwwii> vish: and idea where the sources are?
[11:39] <vish> oh , thats from gnome
[11:40] <vish> ubuntujenkins: thats actually from gnome theme...
[11:40] <vish> they have a 48px one in git
[11:40] <ubuntujenkins> vish: which git?
[11:41] <vish> ubuntujenkins: not sure of the correct one off hand , but search for gnome-icon-theme in git
[11:41] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks vish and kwwii
[13:10] <darkmatter> vish: it won't be long until you can kill off a bazillion redundant icons ;)
[17:39] <vish> darkmatter: well , they better hurry up.. kinda getting tired of making symlinks :s
[17:43] <andreasn> the icon symlinks? those are funny
[17:44] <vish> andreasn: well , for humanity the symlinks are not done by the naming utils, mostly a hack for the monochrome icons
[17:45] <vish> and sometimes it gets hard finding the icons ..
[23:37] <coz_> hey all
[23:38] <darkmatter> o/
[23:41] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[23:43]  * darkmatter is a happy camper. travel expenses came today \o/
[23:45] <darkmatter> how has coz_ been doing?
[23:46] <coz_> darkmatter,  ok  other than the 9 times I had to reinstall xp on one partition because of damn viruses  other than that   fine :)  how about yourseflt?
[23:46] <coz_> yourself
[23:47] <darkmatter> coz_: not bad. been flushing my system in preparation for next week (more chemo). but hey. they give me a ton of cash for the trip. so I can't complain ;)
[23:48] <coz_> cool
[23:50] <coz_> darkmatter,  but I thought that was in remission?
[23:50] <darkmatter> been taking a break from the gnome3 stuff though. I'll probably start up after this treatment. just soo much to deal with atm, no time for the fun of design :/
[23:50] <darkmatter> coz_: it started up again. they've been watching it closely for a bit, and decided it's time to toxify me again *shrug*
[23:51] <coz_> darkmatter,  mm... I think you will beat it again guy :)
[23:51] <darkmatter> coz_: yup. the last time it was stage 4, so this time should be childs play


[01:25] <gamerchick02> hexchat on mac!!
[01:25] <gamerchick02> my fave irc program
[01:27] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:29] <gamerchick02> howdy cmaloney!
[01:33] <gamerchick02> i've not set up the dell yet.
[01:34] <gamerchick02> i want to but i didn't want to bring it up to Saginaw along with my other stuff.
[03:03] <cmaloney> bah
[03:05] <rick_h_> humbug
[03:12] <_stink_> ohhhh look what i just found
[03:12] <_stink_> http://www.pydanny.com/cookie-project-templates-made-easy.html#comment-1004658971
[03:12] <_stink_> rick_h_: so what's the answer for modern-package-template in python3?
[03:15] <jrwren> same as py2
[03:15] <jrwren> maybe port the template to python3 if needed, but it likely isn't needed. python3 isn't THAT different.
[03:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, not sure what, if anything is different for modern package templte for Py3
[03:20] <cmaloney> I've been packaging up everything I can for work under MPT
[03:51] <_stink_> hmm - when i pip install modern-package-tempate inside a virtualenv with python3, PasteScript appears broken
[03:51] <_stink_> and if i search around, it looks like paste doesn't support python3.
[03:51] <_stink_> am i wrong?
[03:56] <jrwren> sounds familiar for some reason.
[04:23] <_stink_> trying cookiecutter
[14:10] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:11] <rick_h_> ugh wheeee
[14:12] <mrgoodcat> any emacs people here?
[14:12] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That good eh?
[14:12] <rick_h_> isn't gamerchick?
[14:12] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Not sure. I seem to remember devinheitmueller was but I might be making stuff up
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> i was gonna try to learn emacs basics, but the tutorial is gonna break my fingers
[14:13] <_stink_> i was but then my fingers fell off
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> so many ctrl+alt
[14:13] <_stink_> i did use it in grad school
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> i was gonna ask how emacs people deal with that
[14:13] <cmaloney> yeah, that and I didn't like how you basicall had to learn lisp to configure it
[14:13] <rick_h_> yea, I wanted to be a true geek and even got two emacs books
[14:13] <_stink_> i pretty much only remember ctrl-x ctrl-s
[14:13] <rick_h_> and gave up and decided to be the best vim user I could be
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: it started because i'm learning lisp
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> so thats not a problem
[14:13] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: It's a great test-bed for lisp
[14:14] <mrgoodcat> that's what i heard
[14:14] <cmaloney> as an editor it makes me cry.
[14:14] <mrgoodcat> heh
[14:14] <_stink_> rick_h_: it looks like modern-package-template doesn't work in python3... is this true?  if so, do you have a recommendatio nfor a similar thing in python3?
[14:14] <cmaloney> _stink_: Just fix paster. :)
[14:15] <cmaloney> That should be an afternoon. ;)
[14:15] <jrwren> surely you remember ctrl-e and ctrl-a too?
[14:15] <SneakyPhil> rick_h_: haaha
[14:15] <rick_h_> _stink_: cookiecutter
[14:15] <rick_h_> _stink_: what we've moved to
[14:15] <rick_h_> jrwren: nope, by moving to vim in zsh I never have to use emacs style controls
[14:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: bash has vi-style keybindings
[14:16] <jrwren> rick_h_: HARDCORE! :)
[14:16] <cmaloney> I finally made the plunge
[14:16] <jrwren> cmaloney: yes. I used them for all of 10min once.
[14:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: even use 'jj' to 'esc' in zsh and vim <3
[14:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: I was the same way. Persevere. :)
[14:16] <_stink_> cmaloney: yeah, geez, no thanks
[14:16] <devinheitmueller> cmaloney: hey.
[14:16] <rick_h_> zsh has much better vim mode imo
[14:16] <_stink_> rick_h_: ok great, that's what i settled on last night.  thanks!
[14:17] <rick_h_> _stink_: <3
[14:17] <SneakyPhil> rick_h_: do you use zsh locally and the default shell on your boxes?
[14:17] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, I’m an emacs user, but despite having used it for almost 20 years I still only use a handful of commands.
[14:17] <jrwren> cmaloney: i don't know if it is perseverence if it is glorious at the same time.
[14:17] <cmaloney> devinheitmueller: I think that's true of most.
[14:17] <rick_h_> SneakyPhil: yea, I use zsh on all my boxes
[14:17] <_stink_> jrwren: oh yeah i do remember those... but i think of them as bashy, not emacsy :P
[14:17] <_stink_> this is surely heresy.
[14:17] <rick_h_> the only place it's not the default is on a shared server with the team and I'm |--| close to changing it
[14:18] <jrwren> _stink_: yeah, they are emacs. emacs is so powerful it bleeds into bash and macosx input boxes :p
[14:18] <devinheitmueller> At least on bash you can reconfigure the command line hotkeys to use vi conventions rather than the default of emacs.
[14:18] <devinheitmueller> That said, most people know stuff like ctrl-a and ctrl-e because of bash.
[14:21] <cmaloney> That's how I learned it
[14:24] <devinheitmueller> Thinking of scripting, anybody know any junior engineers looking to do some contract work?
[14:25] <devinheitmueller> I want to setup an automation rig for test LinuxTV drivers (using codespeed), so I need somebody to setup a web server, install codespeed and do some scripting to write test cases.
[14:27] <devinheitmueller> I’m also looking at Tapper (http://tapper.github.io/Tapper/), which has the ability to output to codespeed.    Mainly I’m looking to do a combination to compliance and performance tests on a regular interval across multiple devices and have a reasonable web UI for analyzing the results.
[14:29] <cmaloney> Sounds interesting
[14:29] <devinheitmueller> None of it is rocket science.  It’s the sort of thing in the past I’ve hired a kid straight of college to do (assuming he knows UNIX scripting).  That said, it just isn’t cost effective to do it myself.
[14:30] <cmaloney> yeah, it's a lot of grunt-work
[14:30] <devinheitmueller> Oh, here’s the codespeed project URL in case anybody is interested:  https://github.com/tobami/codespeed
[14:30] <devinheitmueller> Neat little project, used by a number of other projects for benchmarking:  “Known to be used by PyPy, Twisted, RubySpec and many more."
[14:30] <cmaloney> bookmarked
[14:31] <devinheitmueller> It’s got links to the sites setup by those projects, if you want to get a feel for the UI.
[14:31] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I _almost_ got jsivak using Bookie
[14:31] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[14:31] <cmaloney> I swearh his bookmarking / scrapbooking configuration just screams Bookie
[14:36] <rick_h_> cmaloney: heh, I don't know. he might just crush things
[14:37] <cmaloney> I'm sure half of his bookmarks are 404 anyway
[14:38]  * rick_h_ shakes fist at UPS! "Delay in delivery due to weather or natural disaster"
[14:39] <cmaloney> rick_h_: What are they ransoming?
[14:39] <rick_h_> I prime overnight'd a camera because I wanted to take it on our zoo trip this weekend
[14:39] <cmaloney> You know that never works out
[14:39] <jrwren> oooh... pypy <3
[14:39] <brousch> Another camera?!
[14:39] <rick_h_> technically on wed, but it was late so turned into thurs ship for friday
[14:40] <jrwren> pypy is the greatest thing that no one talks about.
[14:40] <rick_h_> brousch: yes, it's been a year since my last one :)
[14:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: +1
[14:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: though they don't do a ton of talking to be honest expect on their 'failures' as they work on things like numpy
[14:41] <jrwren> rick_h_: yup. and it is a hump to get to for sure. certain c modules have to be worked around, usually the DB provider you are using if you are doing web stuff.
[14:41] <rick_h_> yep
[14:41] <jrwren> but once you get over that hump, on man, python isn't slow.
[14:42] <rick_h_> though most of the db drives have some sort of pure python drive these days, mostly for async love but side effect is it helps pypy
[14:42] <jrwren> It is so good that you'd never use another GC langauge for speed reasons. its as fast or faster than java, go, .net, D, rust.   pypy is awesome.
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: what camera?
[14:42] <jrwren> rick_h_: yup. we found some psycopg2 pure python compat port which worked well.
[14:42] <rick_h_> jrwren: cool yea
[14:42] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: oly em5 mk2
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> nice
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> what are you using these days?
[14:43] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: pany gx7
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> since obviously your olympus is delayed
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> i've never had a panasonic
[14:44] <rick_h_> it's nice and done me well the last year
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> really enjoying my sony
[14:44] <rick_h_> but the new oly has me sold on the in body stabilization and I find I like oly lenses a lot since they're smaller since they don't need OIS in them
[14:44] <rick_h_> yea, I like the idea of the sony, but it's a chunk larger and my big thing is a travel camera for work that I can take on planes/trips
[14:45] <rick_h_> and the m4/3 lenses are so many more and nice
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> oh yea its not really a travel cam
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i even have a second grip on it
[14:45] <rick_h_> assuming you mean like a a7 aor such
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> so its really big
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> a700
[14:45] <rick_h_> ah
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i have an a57 for travel
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> which is a bit smaller
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> and does HD video
[14:45] <rick_h_> I almost went to the new a7 2
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i almost had money
[14:45] <rick_h_> with its IBIS
[14:45] <gamerchick02> i didn't know you guys were into photography. cool.
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> for that
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> i'm a photography wannabe mostly
[14:46] <rick_h_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/ scroll and scrolls wheeee
[14:46] <rick_h_> yea, it's a nice hobby I can do while I work
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> my stuff isn't online
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> not publicly anyways
[14:46] <rick_h_> ah, I put most of my stuff up from trips/etc
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> i'm shy about artwork
[14:47] <rick_h_> especially since most of my stuff is more travel/street stuff
[14:47] <rick_h_> even my studio practice stuff so you can stare at my bald head 50+ times https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/sets/72157649833725800/
[14:47] <gamerchick02> rick_h_, nice pictures. really
[14:47] <rick_h_> as I practice with flash, umbrella, and such
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> i don't have studio equipment
[14:48] <mrgoodcat> haven't done any studio work since high school
[14:48] <rick_h_> I just picked up some flash and a portable softbox and such as my christmas gift this year
[14:49] <rick_h_> and need to play with it some more, only done a couple of practice sessions with it
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> cool
[14:49] <cmaloney> I still need to make a plugin for a CI that replaces the thunderstorm clouds with angry rick_h_
[14:49] <gamerchick02> oooo
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> i have a lightbox but its a bit small to put a person in
[14:49] <mrgoodcat> heh
[14:49] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16065134079/in/set-72157649833725800
[14:49] <cmaloney> "Your test have failed and do not pass PEP8. Correct yourself."
[14:50] <gamerchick02> perfect caption
[14:50] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/16063747140/in/set-72157649833725800
[14:50] <cmaloney> "You have committed Java to the repo."
[14:50] <rick_h_> lol
[14:50] <gamerchick02> LOL
[14:50]  * gamerchick02 falls off chair
[14:51] <cmaloney> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/15628883914/in/set-72157649833725800
[14:51] <cmaloney> "I'm about to remove your commit bit"
[14:51] <gamerchick02> OT, rick_h_ i think i'm going to name the new computer humboldt. after the Humboldt penguin. not the squid.
[14:52] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: nice
[14:52] <gamerchick02> i have a penguin theme for all my computers (desktop is Emperor, macbook is rockhopper, and my wireless is named Igloo)
[14:53] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Very cool
[14:53]  * gamerchick02 is such a huge nerd
[14:53] <cmaloney> Mine are named after Red Drawf characters
[14:54] <cmaloney> penguins are not thata nerdy.
[14:54] <cmaloney> apparently I'm now channeling Mario
[14:54] <gamerchick02> "itsa Me, Mario!"
[14:54] <gamerchick02> lol
[14:55] <cmaloney> Worst stereotype in videogames ever.
[14:55] <gamerchick02> penguins are pretty awesome. did you know that there were HUGE prehistoric penguins?
[14:55] <gamerchick02> i agree though, about the stereotype
[14:55] <cmaloney> That's because Penguins are badass
[14:55] <jrwren> cmaloney: I think rick would be even more scary than that if there were java in the repo. I know I would
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: Working with the material I have.
[14:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Pretty sure there would be a paddling.
[14:56] <gamerchick02> uhm.
[14:57] <gamerchick02> note to self, do not commit Java to the repo. (not that i ever would)
[14:57] <jrwren> cmaloney: team was none to happy when I tried to sneak in 20 lines of perl. :)
[14:57] <gamerchick02> committing Java sounds like "committing seppuku" or something
[14:58] <gamerchick02> "but you don't like my perls of wisdom" *badum tiss*
[14:58]  * gamerchick02 bows. i'll be here all day
[14:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: I don't blame them. With 20 lines of Perl you could rewrite the human genome
[15:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: mankind is not ready for that kind of awesome responsibility.
[15:02] <jrwren> cmaloney: funny you mention it. I think I used perl to do some bioinformatics on part of the human genome 10+yrs ago.
[15:02] <cmaloney> See?
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> Penguins don't live in igloos
[15:34] <SneakyPhil> lol
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> Sorry. Lag.
[18:17] <gamerchick02> no they don't. but i picked my wireless name and then was like "whoops". so i stuck with it. should be iceberg
[18:17] <gamerchick02> and hi hi ColonelPanic001 long time no see
[18:18] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[18:19] <gamerchick02> i'm off work today. yay!
[18:19] <ColonelPanic001> the best way to start a day
[18:19] <gamerchick02> :) yes. that and coffee.
[18:20] <gamerchick02> i'm going to a concert tonight and theoretically i could have worked but... i didn't want to. hah
[18:21] <ColonelPanic001> that's all the reason that's needed
[18:21] <gamerchick02> :-D
[20:56] <cmaloney> http://metalinjection.fm
[20:56] <cmaloney> ^^ Clothe your ears in metal. :)
[22:28] <mrgoodcat> has anybody set up filevault on a fresh MBP recently?
[23:57] <greg-g> ok, so, every time I think "I should just whip up a quick python script to do this, there's already a library for that services API that looks nice." I end up not doing it because I remember bad experiences with venvs, system-installed versus user vs local libraries and having a hard time getting a program to run on a different machine due to mismatching versions
[23:57] <greg-g> what should I follow to Do It Right(TM)?
[23:57] <greg-g> opinionated opinions highly welcome


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[05:31] <troy_s> that's a good question chewie
[05:31] <troy_s> i would ask it on the mailing list.
[01:17] <kwwii> hi
[01:45] <mhb> kwwii: hello
[02:45] <lapo> hi
[04:08] <mhb> um ... is there any official/unofficial Kubuntu theme for Mozilla Firefox?
[04:10] <kwwii> there is a crystal version, so I guess that would be the best to use
[04:15] <mhb> kwwii: I'll try to add the spinning Kubuntu logo ( like Konqueror has) to Plastikfox and maybe I'll post the theme somewhere ... I dunno
[04:15] <kwwii> cool :-)
[04:15] <kwwii> post it to the ML and/or send me a copy :-)
[05:36] <troy_s> its great when people talk out of their bottoms
[05:36] <troy_s> you in ken?
[05:36] <troy_s> kwwii?
[06:57] <troy_s> hey weidel
[06:58] <troy_s> how goes it?


[03:54] <clerum> is there anything futher I could do to help get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/254622
[03:54] <ubot3> Malone bug 254622 in linux "TCP uses wrong MTU/MSS size for IPv6" [Medium,Triaged]
[03:54] <clerum> moved along?
[03:54] <clerum> is there more information I could provide?
[03:56] <clerum> unfortunatly I have no clue where to start in fixing this...and java is my only language so I doubt I would be much help
[09:42] <apw> dtchen, hi there ... question about a quirk you are suggesting on a bug, about?
[12:45] <JesperHansen> This seems like the right channel to ask this
[12:45] <JesperHansen> Was wondering if there's an updated version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomRestrictedModules#Modify%20debian/rules somewhere. abi_version doesn't exist in the enlisted file debian/rules
[12:47] <JesperHansen> Compared against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27
[13:43] <Kano> hi rtg ,did you read my mail about rt2860/2870?
[13:45] <Kano> rtg: the drivers are working, no patching needed, you can copy em over from 2.6.29
[13:46] <Kano> just dont forget to add the firmware as well
[13:46] <rtg> Kano: I'' get to it later today. I just got back from 3 days off and have a bunch of emails.
[13:46] <Kano> you will see the 2 firmware links for it in the mail
[14:24] <apw> sconklin, hi, i did another change for the apport stuff, to send the stress log as well as the flag file.  this is up for review now
[14:25] <sconklin> apw: I was just coming to those in my email for the morning
[14:26] <apw> matt's emails yes?
[14:30] <apw> sconklin, anyhow, just wanted you to know i had taken care of the strees.log part, so i think once all these changes hit the relevant packages we should be 'good'
[14:34] <JesperHansen> Was wondering if there's an updated version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomRestrictedModules#Modify%20debian/rules somewhere. abi_version doesn't exist in the enlisted file debian/rules compared howto against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27
[14:36] <rtg> JesperHansen: Its in debian/rules.d/0-common-vars.mk
[14:37] <JesperHansen> rtg: thanks
[14:38] <JesperHansen> rtg: and abi_version has been renamed? Cant see its presence in there either
[14:39] <rtg> JesperHansen: Its called abinum. The LRM package structure changed quite a lot from Hardy to Intrepid.
[14:40] <JesperHansen> rtg: ye, I figured it was some old stuff I was trying to decipher
[14:42] <sconklin> apw: ack'd your patches for suspend/resume
[14:43] <apw> ahh thanks
[14:49] <sconklin> apw: git question - during a rebase of one branch onto another, which contains dozens of commits delta - I see a number of them apply, a few apply with three-way merge, it stops for me to manually merge a couple, and then at one point after I manually merge one and try to "git rebase --continue", I get the following from git:
[14:49] <sconklin> Applying Remove lpiacompat
[14:49] <sconklin> No changes - did you forget to use 'git add'?
[14:50] <sconklin> and git is in a state where it thinks there is more to rebase yet can't seem to apply any changes
[14:50] <apw> that means that the result of the merge was that there was no actual changes
[14:50] <sconklin> oh well, then a rebase --skip should do it, right?
[14:51] <apw> so either you forgot to git add the files which were changed, or the result was an unchanged files completely
[14:51] <apw> at that point a git diff HEAD should be null, and then a git rebase --skip is appropriate
[14:52] <sconklin> no, I definitely did an add, and status shows no uncommitted changes, so I'll just skip it, thanks
[14:52] <apw> that sounds appropriate
[14:52] <apw> i seem to remember something similar actually when i was doing my quick and dirty run at uds
[14:53] <sconklin> I had forgotten that it's possibly to end up with no actual changes, ~especially~ when manually editing in a failed merge.
[14:53] <apw> particularly for a patch called 'remove something'
[14:54] <sconklin> haha
[14:54] <apw> if it wasn't there, then removing it is already done, and the merge is null
[14:55] <sconklin> right.
[14:55] <apw> i actually think i had the same merge in the lpia tree i did
[17:07] <smb_tp> kirkland, while we are waiting for the meeting. Do you happen to know issues with vol_id in the encrypted installation of Jaunty?
[17:08] <kirkland> smb_tp: hmm, you should probably ask cjwatson about that
[17:08] <kirkland> smb_tp: there were some blockers breaking lvm+crypt
[17:08] <smb_tp> kirkland, Well ok. When I think of encryption, you come to my mind. ;-)
[17:09] <kirkland> smb_tp: :-)  woohoo
[17:09] <smb_tp> :)
[17:11] <smb_tp> kirkland, Generally, if I got a partition that contains the encrypted volume. Do you know whether it should get a special partition ID?
[17:12] <kirkland> smb_tp: not necessarily ... i'm using encrypted LVM on my Intrepid laptop now, and my mount is just "/dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)"
[17:12] <kirkland> smb_tp: which is what I named it when I installed
[17:14] <smb_tp> kirkland, Ok, what I have here is vol_id on the initramfs being more stupid than the one in the rescue system (so it seems)
[17:14] <kirkland> smb_tp: hmm
[17:15] <smb_tp> The one from the rescue system shows the uid of it while the one from initramfs is confused because it thinks it might be swap or ecryptfs_LUKE
[22:26] <HDAPS> Hi, just wondering if there is anyway to confirm that Disk Head Parking is enabled? "hdaps-gl" shows only a static image (kernel 2.6.28 on 9.04)
[23:49] <Kano> rtg: you did not add the rtxxx drivers yet? what else do you need? i tested it already
[23:49] <rtg> Kano: I'm just now looking at it.
[23:50] <Kano> ok


 What's weird is that every other f key works
[07:50] <lynorian> @SamuelBanya does it work in other applications
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 @Lynorian I'll check tonight.
 right
 github.com/rekols
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 Hi! I have some questions regarding "apt update" all the update notifiers I've seen doesn't use it, they directly go to "upgrade". Son I'm a little confused on what does apt update (upate cache? source list?, what is in the cache??) does. And how if we don't do apt update could we get new updates.
 for update cache there sudo privileges needed.
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 is @wxl here?
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[19:12] <teward> HMollerCl: same question that you posed a few hours earlier?
[19:12] <teward> or a different one and that's why you're pinging wxl?
[19:17] <wxl> here
[19:18] <teward> wxl: lies, these are lies.
[19:19] <teward> @HMollerCl wxl is sorta here :P
[19:19] <wxl> pffht
 Jajaj
 @wxl so, update-notifiers usually only do apt upgrade but no apt update (cache update)
[19:20] <wxl> hm
[19:20] <wxl> that seems weird
 My question is, if they don't do update cache, how they know that there are new packages?
[19:21] <wxl> that's a good question
 Ubuntu has update-notifier and upgrade-manager
[19:25] <wxl> have you tried contacting the maintainers/drivers of them?
 nope
[19:28] <wxl> that might be a good start
 yes, I just wanted to know if there was som misunderstanding on my side first
 unnattended upgrades does daily check to see if an apt-get update should be run, and runs it if it should
[19:30] <wxl> to be fair, i don't know the intricate details. i'd have to dig through it and given how much you've dug through it i trust you a lot more than me at this point XD
[19:30] <wxl> yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default
 @wxl [<wxl> yes but unattended upgrades is not there by default], it is installed by default, and does the apt update by default. the 'upgrade' part is not on by default
[19:40] <wxl> was that always the case? i swear it's not in trusty at least
 I vaguely recall it was turned on in in bionic or a release a few before that
[19:41] <wxl> ok there you go
[19:41] <wxl> and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt so i'm sure we could tweak it to always cache update if need be
 it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ua was doing an update in the background, and discover was triggering its own as well via packagekit
 doublling up at the very least
 @wxl [<wxl> and unattended-upgrades exposes all sorts of neat little settings for apt …], we could also update the cache during the notifier check, is just that I think is better to be consistent in the way that lubuntu does
 *ubuntu
 @acheronuk [it one reason discover users are/were getting so many update notifications. apt/ …], discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do refreshes so much if that is set to
 @acheronuk [discover 5.15 will properly check the unattended-upgrades config, and not do ref …], In Kubuntu that is. lubuntu can't load the discover notifier as you know
 let me see if I understand. 1) unattended-upgrades should check on a daily basis if cache should be updated or not? 2) If there is and updated cache needed, where is triggered?
 or the notifier should trigger it?
 apt has a daily systemd timer to check if a refresh should be done, and do it if it should. the policy it checks to see if a refresh is done is in the unattended-upgrades apt config file
 which software properties changes if you change the update frequency in that
 perfect!, thanks
 I'm assuming all that is still active in lubuntu, and @tsimonq2 hasn't done some hacking to diable it at some point ;)
 jejeje
 in kubutnu you are using software-properties-qt or software-properties-kde?
 -kde in releases it still exists. -qt where it doesn't
 ok, I think you don't need it but I  ported the "additional-driver" tab to software-properties-qt is waiting for review https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/software-properties/software-properties/+merge/361331
 or maybe breaks some things on your side.
 doubt it breaks anything, as that tab must still depend on some basic ubuntu stuff like ubuntu-drivers
 Kubuntu's KCM is not much maintained now, so another way might actually be good
 yup, it uses ubuntu-drivers
 Btw just checked
 Ctrl and F11 work
 Why doesn't Fn aka function key plus F11 work in Qterminal?
 Should I put in a Github issue upstream with qterminal?
[23:57] <wxl> if you boot the iso on there, same problem?


[14:21] <wrst> good mornign everyone
[14:48] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[14:48] <Xpistos> what up my peeps
[14:48] <wrst> not much Xpistos how about with you?
[14:49] <Xpistos> working on a project and I have hit a snag
[14:49] <Xpistos> I need some help from my boys today. Anybody know how to setup VNC on a headless server so when I try to vnc I can get a wm?
[14:49] <Svpernova09> Simple.
[14:49] <Svpernova09> Don't use a WM
[14:49] <Svpernova09> :_)
[14:50] <Xpistos> Well let em tell you why
[14:50] <Xpistos> I have about 14 DVDs that I have to make for a present
[14:50] <Xpistos> and I can't do this in the command line
[14:50] <Xpistos> so I need a wm
[14:50] <Xpistos> but
[14:50] <Xpistos> each dvd takes like 5 hours+ to compile
[14:51] <Xpistos> I don't want to hose my laptop for this
[14:51] <Svpernova09> Is the server local to your network or out on the internet somewhere.
[14:51] <electricus> Xpistos: i can help you out with that
[14:51] <Xpistos> So I want to be able to connect to the server in a gui and tell it to do the compileing
[14:51] <Xpistos> Ues it is local
[14:51] <electricus> we were messing around with that very thing on amazon ec2
[14:52] <Xpistos> Right now, I have Openbox installed but set to run only when I startx on the box itself
[14:52] <Svpernova09> Ideally for a WM on a server machine you'll want to install gnome / gdm / X / whatever change the runlevel to 3.
[14:52] <Xpistos> I installed vnc4server but I can't get the VNC to connect
[14:52] <electricus> did you put a :1 at the end of the address?
[14:52] <Xpistos> electricus: yep
[14:52] <Xpistos> that was internal
[14:53] <Svpernova09> Doesn't the VNC server have to be running with a logged in session?
[14:53] <Svpernova09> IE it can't connect to GDM, but has to connect to the logged in session.
[14:53] <Xpistos> I think it is running onf the server
[14:53] <Svpernova09> Right, but there is a difference between the login manager and the actual WM session
[14:54] <Svpernova09> the VNC server connects you to the WM session, but that's not running until you login.
[14:54] <Xpistos> I loging to the command line
[14:54] <Svpernova09> Right, but you're not logging into the *WM*
[14:54] <Svpernova09> Or starting the WM
[14:54] <Svpernova09> Command line login isn't using the GUI login manager
[14:55] <Svpernova09> So simply logging into the command line isn't launching a WM session.
[14:55] <Xpistos> so I have to change the runtime to 3?
[14:55] <Svpernova09> Changing GDM/X to 3 just means it won't launch at boot time.
[14:55] <Svpernova09> but will launch when you run startx.
[14:56] <Xpistos> but that won't happen from the command lin
[14:56] <Xpistos> e
[14:56] <Svpernova09> startx should launch your WM, where restarting/starting GDM should launch the gui login manager, which allows you to login and it will launch the WM.
[14:56] <Svpernova09> Actually...
[14:56] <electricus> here's what we did to get vnc'd into a ubuntu machine on ec2 cloud
[14:56] <electricus> https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=1bxa7CQ_YJE_nlbhSNXvr6hVUMgwygPmXrLTFlTlFF9c&sort=name&layout=list&pid=0B74xawNimMWlOGQyZGFmMDctYzI4My00NWJlLTkzNzUtNGNiNjFiNGRjMmE1
[14:56] <Svpernova09> If you terminal in, and run startx, it may launch the WM on the system.
[14:56] <electricus> specifically step 10
[14:57] <Xpistos> electricus: Sorry, the page (or document) you have requested is not available.
[14:57] <electricus> what about this:  https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B74xawNimMWlOGQyZGFmMDctYzI4My00NWJlLTkzNzUtNGNiNjFiNGRjMmE1&hl=en
[14:58] <electricus> CookLUG Ubuntu 10.10 EC2 Setup Procedure
[14:58] <Xpistos> sane
[14:58] <Xpistos> same
[14:58] <electricus> what's your email Xpistos?
[14:58] <Xpistos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:59] <Svpernova09> http://bitnami.org/article/how-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-on-ec2-ebs
[14:59] <Svpernova09> May help
[14:59] <electricus> coming your way
[14:59] <Xpistos> Svpernova09: when I try to startx on the cmdln it says user not authroize to run the x server
[14:59] <Svpernova09> Running it as root or a local user?
[14:59] <Svpernova09> regular user*
[14:59] <Xpistos> I just told it to run as sudo
[14:59] <Svpernova09> Try just "startx"
[15:00] <Svpernova09> as non-root userr
[15:00] <Xpistos> that is what I did first
[15:02] <Xpistos> sudo startx worked but startx did not
[15:02] <Svpernova09> Naturally.
[15:02] <Svpernova09> I still hate hte sudo way of doing htings
[15:02] <Svpernova09> Give me root and let me toast my system if I want to. hehhe
[15:08] <Xpistos> now it keeps saying no protocol specified over and over
[15:11] <Xpistos> electricus: xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/xpistos/.Xauthority
[15:11] <Xpistos> xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/xpistos/.Xauthority
[15:11] <electricus> what is the complete address you are using in your vnc client Xpistos?
[15:12] <Xpistos> kronos.olympus.net:4
[15:12] <electricus> try kronos.olympus.net:5901
[15:13] <electricus> also try kronos.olympus.net::5901
[15:13] <Xpistos> when I do the first it says it can't find the second
[15:14] <Xpistos> and remoted Desktop viewer says it doesn't see the vnc server
[15:14] <electricus> what distro is the machine you are connecting to?
[15:14] <Xpistos> ubuntu, ubuntu server
[15:14] <electricus> oh.. i see.  does that have a desktop environment preloaded?
[15:14] <electricus> i don't think it does
[15:15] <Svpernova09> You'll have to install ubuntu-desktop on it.
[15:15] <Xpistos> ubuntu on the laptop does, the server doesn't
[15:15] <electricus> ok.. and you did that?
[15:15] <Xpistos> I did not install ubuntu-desktop
[15:15] <Xpistos> too many resources
[15:16] <electricus> ah. well that or some other desktop environment/window manager/xorg will be need4ed
[15:16] <Svpernova09> lol
[15:16] <Svpernova09> Yeah, you've gotta have a WM to run to connect to.
[15:16] <electricus> :-)
[15:16] <Xpistos> I have openbox on installed and xinit
[15:18] <electricus> did you install xorg Xpistos?
[15:18] <Xpistos> I installed xinit
[15:19] <electricus> you need to 'apt-get install xorg'
[15:19] <electricus> xinit is just one part of xorg
[15:20] <Xpistos> installing it now
[15:21] <electricus> did you create a non-root user?
[15:21] <Xpistos> yes
[15:21] <electricus> and you are running as that?
[15:21] <Xpistos> trying
[15:22] <electricus> well.. i guess it shouldn't matter technically
[15:22] <electricus> i would though just to do it
[15:23] <electricus> i would log out as root and ssh back in as the normal user that has sudo permissions (after xorg is finished installing)
[15:23] <Xpistos> I am not logged in as root
[15:23] <electricus> ok.. good deal
[15:23] <electricus> so you have sudo permission i see.. ok
[15:24] <electricus> got xorg yet?
[15:24] <Xpistos> uyes
[15:24] <Xpistos> yes
[15:24] <electricus> ok.. now in your home dir.. see if you have a .xinit file
[15:25] <electricus> ls -la
[15:25] <Xpistos> no i don't
[15:26] <electricus> ok.. do you have any other .x or .X... files?
[15:26] <Xpistos> .xauthority, .xauthority-c and .xauthority-l
[15:26] <electricus> ok
[15:27] <electricus> just to make sure .. while in your home dir.. do a 'cp /etc/skel/* . -Rvf'
[15:29] <electricus> Xpistos: that will give you all the files you need for a 'user profile' you could say :-)
[15:31] <electricus> then you need to add 'exec openbox-session' to your .xinit file (without quotes)
[15:31] <electricus> if there still is no .xinit file, just make one
[15:32] <Xpistos> should I delete the .Xauthority stuff
[15:32] <electricus> no need
[15:32] <electricus> then kill any/all x related processes.. kill all vncserver processes..
[15:32] <Xpistos> cp: cannot stat `/etc/skel/*': No such file or directory
[15:33] <electricus> don't use quotes..
[15:33] <electricus> commands are just typically surrounded with 'quotes' for clarity when chatting
[15:33] <Xpistos> I didn''t
[15:34] <Xpistos> cp /etc/skel/* . -Rvf
[15:34] <electricus> yes
[15:34] <Xpistos> yeah, that is what I did when I got the error
[15:34] <electricus> ok..never mind then.. must be a ubuntu thing
[15:34] <electricus> or ubuntu server thing i should say
[15:35] <electricus> ok.. then just add 'exec openbox-session' to your .xinit file (without quotes)
[15:35] <electricus> if there still is no .xinit file, just make one
[15:37] <electricus> oh crap.. sorry about that Xpistos
[15:37] <electricus> the file is .xinitrc NOT .xinit  my bad
[15:38] <electricus> just enter the command 'nano .xinitrc' while in your home dir
[15:38] <electricus> what do you see?
[15:40] <electricus> Xpistos: I'll be here hangin out if you need more help/get caught up
[15:43] <Xpistos> sorry had a call
[15:43] <Xpistos> trying now
[15:49] <Xpistos> cat .xinitrc says "exec openbox-session
[15:49] <electricus> ok..very good
[15:50] <Xpistos> no what should I don
[15:50] <Xpistos> do
[15:50] <electricus>  kill any/all x related processes.. kill all vncserver processes..
[15:50] <electricus> or just simply reboot to simplify that
[15:50] <Xpistos> ps isn't showing any
[15:50] <Xpistos> just bash and ps
[15:51] <electricus> do a 'ps aux|grep vnc'
[15:52] <electricus> do you get any output?
[15:52] <electricus> if so kill kill kill
[15:53] <wrst> electricus: glad i read the backlog a little i thought you were having some anger issues :)
[15:53] <electricus> :-)
[15:54] <Xpistos> I killed everything but xpistos  10881  0.0  0.0   3324   804 pts/0    S+   09:53   0:00 grep --color=auto vnc
[15:54] <Xpistos>  won't die
[15:54] <electricus> ah..just reboot the server
[15:54] <Xpistos> I hate to do it but here goes
[15:54] <electricus> make life easier on yourself :-)
[15:58] <Xpistos> ok, i did but it still shows a process running
[15:58] <electricus> vncserver process?
[15:58] <Xpistos> xpistos   2179  0.0  0.0   3324   812 pts/0    S+   09:57   0:00 grep --color=auto vnc
[15:58] <electricus> ok..well just do a startx now
[15:58] <Xpistos> user or sudo
[15:58] <electricus> user only
[15:59] <Xpistos> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
[15:59] <Xpistos> xinit:  No such file or directory (errno 2):  unable to connect to X server
[15:59] <Xpistos> xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
[15:59] <Xpistos> xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/xpistos/.Xauthority
[15:59] <electricus> when logging into the server do you log in as root first and then su to be normal user?  or do you log in directly as the normal user?
[16:00] <Xpistos> directly as the user
[16:00] <Xpistos> I haven't enable the root login and do all "admin" stuff as sudo
[16:00] <electricus> i see
[16:01] <electricus> how about trying to create another user..
[16:02] <electricus> 'sudo useradd username -m'
[16:02] <electricus> 'sudo passwd username'
[16:03] <electricus> then log out and log back in with the new username
[16:08] <electricus> Xpistos: have you considered using webmin if you need to administer things with a gui?
[16:08] <electricus> it may be a much simpler solution for you then running xorg/openbox
[16:09] <Xpistos> I have webmin installed but I use it sparingly
[16:09] <electricus> ok..just asking
[16:09] <Xpistos> I need the gui to do some dvd creation in devede
[16:10] <Xpistos> okay, i got it working in my vm
[16:10] <electricus> good deal
[16:10] <Xpistos> but not on my server
[16:12] <electricus> Xpistos: if you are running a windows workstation.. you could just use DeVeDe build for windows
[16:12] <electricus> seems like more of a desktop kind of thing anyway
[16:12] <Xpistos> I am not
[16:13] <electricus> ok.. well why not just use your linux desktop
[16:13] <Xpistos> because the files take like 5 hours to compile
[16:13] <electricus> wow
[16:15] <electricus> i would just run a desktop version of linux in your vm then.. would make things much simpler.. plus your going to need tons of codecs and stuff like that i would assume
[16:15] <electricus> just seems like using a server distro for that kind of thing is the long road
[16:15] <Xpistos> I don't have a vm on the server
[16:15] <Xpistos> and again, that would take up to many resources
[16:16] <Xpistos> what I should do is just install gdm and then tell it not to start until I start it
[16:16] <Xpistos> but I am not sure if I can do tht from the commnd line
[16:16] <electricus> hmm..well you are going to be getting about 2/3 of the gtk desktop.. just to get devede running
[16:17] <electricus> a stripped down ubunut gnome desktop can run on less than 200mb of ram after startup
[16:19] <electricus> and even trying to run a lightweight desktop like open box.. even after loading up all you need.. is going to be about that anyway
[16:19] <electricus> honestly
[16:20] <electricus> i have a friend who runs 'ratpoison' as his desktop.. the pinnacle super minimalistic person you could imagine.  and he has nearly the entire gtk system just to run various apps / web browser /etc..
[16:21] <Xpistos> i got it
[16:21] <Xpistos> well internally I got it
[16:21] <electricus> good deal
[16:21] <Xpistos> I have to set the firewall to let me connect from here but my laptop is connected at the house
[16:21] <Xpistos> www.arsgeek.com/2006/09/26/how-to-connect-to-your-headless-server-with-vncgui/
[16:26] <electricus> ah tightvnc.. much better
[16:26] <Xpistos> it isn't pretty  but it will get the job done
[16:26] <electricus> lol
[16:26] <electricus> yep
[16:26] <Xpistos> and I am connected from work direct now too
[16:27] <electricus> hows the screen refresh/performance?
[16:27] <Xpistos> good
[16:27] <electricus> nice
[16:27] <Xpistos> or good enough anyway
[16:43] <electricus> something entertaining:  http://a3.twimg.com/profile_background_images/2963037/4cc84fd3aa07c31901cb669b5ab3565689bdb09e.jpg


[00:09] <wxl> ok we seem to have a discourse. go test it out https://discourse.lubuntu.me/
 @wxl [<wxl> ok we seem to have a discourse. go test it out https://discourse.lubuntu.m …], FYI if your registration email doesn't get delivered, assume that it went to Spam and check that box for the reg.  Whitelist<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in the interim as well.
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Lubuntu now has a Discourse instance, go check it out! … https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/discourse-now-operational/19
[02:02] <guiverc2> tsimonq2, fyi: I get a "Sorry, you don't have access to that topic!" error on that url  (discourse.lubuntu.me)
 that's because that's a secret topic :P
 staff only
 and Simon shouldn't be sharing that link.
 I was going to let Simon handle making a public announcement topic.
 :P
 there I adjusted it and now it's a publicly pinned item.
 @guiverc2 can you get to it now?
[02:17] <guiverc2> teward001,  yep.  all good.
 cool cool.
 git master falkon build in eoan = crash … downgrading to the disco build in eoan = crash
 now looking at maybe icu
 going to do a QtWebEngine test rebuild against new ICU. this may take some time..........
 qtwebengine rebuild against new ICU fixes falkon startup crash. will upload
 @acheronuk [qtwebengine rebuild against new ICU fixes falkon startup crash. will upload], Good!
 wxl: Please get bug 1812594 on your radar. :)
[16:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfb3cfd5cd402: Add widget add screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfb3cfd5cd402
[17:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL64f9d62f435e: Style removable media] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL64f9d62f435e
[17:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7296d98210fa: Hyphenate middle click] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7296d98210fa
[17:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL99bbd4f6a83f: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL99bbd4f6a83f
[17:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8a464c159ffd: Clarify selecting grouped windows] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8a464c159ffd
[18:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1c4d56041806: Style bottom bar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1c4d56041806
[18:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcf9aaf73f9f7: Fix Save Package Download List menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcf9aaf73f9f7
[18:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfc2a1796b1c2: Add by origin filter to lubuntu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfc2a1796b1c2
[18:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL013a7fa6cfa3: Add status bar to muon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL013a7fa6cfa3
[18:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4986d9944006: Add architexture pictures] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4986d9944006
[18:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb91973b77132: Add muon history search and filter to specific operations] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb91973b77132
[18:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL622ff5bbca36: Add muon history of date under history] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL622ff5bbca36
[18:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6616068ba647: Add muon history collapse and uncollapse] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6616068ba647
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL38dd47006762: Add muon history screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL38dd47006762
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL48e86b3e3b73: Actually add the screenshot to the manual] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL48e86b3e3b73
[20:21] <wxl[m]> @teward001 can we get a redirect of forum to discourse.l.m?
 Just in case I lose connection. I've been trying to port redshift gtk but have been stuck in terms of how to port a gtk object to a qt object. Also how do I upload code to an existing phab task
[21:19] <wxl> @SamuelBanya did you ask @HMollerCl about the objects? also you don't upload code to a task. you upload to a repository. the repository has to exist first. you can have simon make one for you, or just use github and we'll worry about all that later.
 wxl: yes once I am home - on route to pick up replacement glasses right now and public transit is S L O W
[21:20] <wxl> @teward001 buy a bike
 also I could probably make the repos but you might want to just let Simon do it
 @wxl that's even slower.  on the light rail right now :)
[21:21] <wxl> @teward001 ok, buy a folding bike :)
[21:25] <wxl> so simon's not going to be here
[21:25] <wxl> i have almost nothing to say except that i worked with teward to set up the discourse a bit
[21:26] <wxl> and i contributed a bit to some upstream discussion about exif-based wallpaper rotation
[21:26] <wxl> that's it for me
[21:26] <wxl> feel free to go at your leisure :)
[21:27] <wxl> hm maybe i should make the official announcement
[21:27] <wxl> !standup
[21:28] <kc2bez> I'm not in that list^ but I have my telegram notifications on anyway.
[21:29] <kc2bez> Crazy times here too.
[21:29] <wxl> okie dokie
[21:29] <lynorian> \o
[21:29] <kc2bez> Not much other than I tested discourse XD
[21:29] <wxl> !no standup-#lubuntu-devel is @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @SamuelBanya @kc2bez wxl[m] it's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting!
[21:30] <lynorian> I am the first one that is here
[21:30] <lynorian> I did lots of work on the manual I did another round of spellcheck on the whole manual
[21:31] <lynorian> more work on pcmanfm-qt bookmarks
[21:31] <lynorian> a lot of work on pcmanfm-qt file search
[21:32] <lynorian> I added how to change the cursor size
[21:33] <lynorian> more things on quassel prefrences
[21:33] <lynorian> reworked some minor things on lxqt-panel
[21:33] <lynorian> added a lot of secondary screenshots for configuring the panel
[21:34] <lynorian> and screenshots for file search bookmarks
[21:34] <lynorian> I somehow did not have right click to open with in pcmanfm-qt which is now fixed
[21:35] <lynorian> a screenshot for the pcmanfm-qt execute dialog
[21:35] <lynorian> sorting text in featherpad
[21:35] <lynorian> starting how to edit desktop entries
[21:36] <kc2bez> Wow, cool!
[21:36] <lynorian> and just today I worked on all the cool things muon can show of your package history with a screenshot
[21:36] <wxl> oh yeah that's a big big big plus
[21:37] <lynorian> end long list
[21:37] <kc2bez> That's fantastic! Thanks lynorian
 good work lynorian
 *waves* slightly slow at typing tho on public transit
 whenever you are ready for me
[21:42] <kc2bez> Go @teward001
 DISCOURSE is now online and SSL'd.  We have a forum now. … Canonical has given a partial OK on DNS changes to make SMTP mail for our services route through our mail server I run for Lubuntu.  Standard lubuntu.me runs through them *.lubuntu.me will run through our SMTP server for mail routing.  This needs Simon and wxl to both sign o
 which Will submit via RT later this evening
 I am hunting coredev as well in Ubuntu so I can assist in sponsoring Lubuntu packages in the future if I get it, more to come on that June 3.</done>
[21:45] <kc2bez> Awesome! Appreciate all you do.
 nice!


[18:51] <peat-psuwit> Hello. Currently I'm trying to eliminate screen corruption in Fairphone 2.
[18:52] <peat-psuwit> The problem is that when eglCreateWindowSurface is called, underlying EGL driver will change ANativeWindow's pixel format from RGBX (if that's what is choosen) to RGB.
[18:54] <peat-psuwit> This seems to cause corruption, because before that, everything concerns that the surface is in RGBX, but now only ANativeWindow (which is implemented by EGLNativeSurfaceInterpreter class) knows about this.
[18:56] <peat-psuwit> Is there any mechanism to communicate pixel format changes to anything, especially to server?


[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78632 in xorg-server (main) "autodetection of Xinerama when creating xorg.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78632
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78671 in mesa (main) "Old version, upgrade needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78671
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78718 in xserver-kdrive (universe) "Xephyr don't handle the "alt car" key in ca_FR keymap" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78718
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78734 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[rv280]  strange behaviour of xv and gl windows under aiglx (beryl)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78734


[14:04] <esion__> hi guys
[14:04] <esion__> im trying to install ubuntu on my virtualbox but dnt have a cd rom how could i do this?