[04:33] <pitti> Good morning
[07:20] <willcooke> morning folks
[07:20] <willcooke> hey TheMuso
[07:21] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[07:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:56] <willcooke> morning seb128
[07:56] <willcooke> seb128, would you have time to help me with the what's new in 14.10 list today?
[07:56] <willcooke> or tomorrow is fine
[07:56] <willcooke> or just a short list via email
[07:56] <willcooke> whatevs
[07:56] <willcooke> I just don't want to be scratching around at the last minute on Monday night :)
[07:57] <willcooke> I found the blueprints for 14.10 - but not a whole lot to go on there
[07:57] <seb128> willcooke, hey, I just replied to your email
[07:57] <willcooke> oh
[07:57] <willcooke> wow
[07:57] <willcooke> thanks
[07:57] <seb128> willcooke, you are not going to like the reply much though
[07:57] <willcooke> ha
[07:57] <seb128> reality is that we don't have much that changed enough to be marketing material
[07:57] <willcooke> nah - that reply is good
[07:58] <willcooke> that's what I thought would be the caase
[07:58] <willcooke> *case
[07:58] <seb128> we basically iterated over what we have, some updates, bugfixing, polish
[07:58] <willcooke> so now it's confirmed I can get on with it
[07:58] <seb128> lot of touch work
[07:58] <willcooke> yeah
[07:58] <seb128> we did some updates like gtk, some GNOME components/apps
[07:58] <seb128> but nothing of that is significant enough/user visible enough for a marketing page
[07:59] <seb128> "continuing improving hidpi support" could be one item
[08:06] <Laney> hey
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, good morning, wie gehts?
[08:08] <larsu_> hi Laney!
[08:08] <larsu_> oh, I'm named weirdly
[08:08] <Laney> keep it, it makes you look important
[08:09] <Laney> it's going well thanks, had a board games night last night
[08:09] <Laney> we didn't defeat wu feng, BUT!
[08:09] <Laney> realised that every time we played that game we've played this one rule wrong which makes it way harder than it should be
[08:09] <Laney> so next time he's going down
[08:10] <willcooke> thx seb
[08:11] <Laney> what's up larsu et seb128 et willcooke?
[08:11] <willcooke> it's all going on today
[08:11] <seb128> Laney, what game is that?
[08:11] <Laney> it's called Ghost Stories
[08:11] <Laney> and it's by a french guy!
[08:11] <seb128> haha
[08:12] <seb128> http://www.amazon.com/Asmodee-5511826-Ghost-Stories/dp/B001J77UUQ
[08:13] <Laney> that's it
[08:13] <seb128> it has good reviews
[08:13] <larsu> Laney: not much, feeling unimportant now that you mentioned it
[08:13] <larsu> Laney: I'm off for a short vacation at the baltic sea after today
[08:13] <Laney> yeah it's a fun game
[08:14] <Laney> larsu: why unimportant? :(
[08:14] <Laney> I saw there's a public holiday in .de tomorrow
[08:14] <Laney> Tag der Deutschen Einheit!
[08:15] <seb128> not important because he lost the tail after his nick?
[08:15] <larsu> Laney: "keep it, it makes you look important"
[08:15] <larsu> Laney: yep, gives us a nice long weekend :)
[08:15] <Laney> ah, forgot about that already :p
[08:15] <Laney> you're always important to me ♥
[08:15] <seb128> oh, speaking about long w.e
[08:15] <larsu> Laney:  :)
[08:15]  * seb128 needs to put a vac day on monday
[08:15] <Laney> ;)
[08:15] <seb128> lol
[08:16]  * willcooke prepares his REJECT button
[08:16] <Laney> hmm
[08:16]  * seb128 walks out and let Laney and larsu together
[08:16] <Laney> I've got some bug in the last day
[08:16] <Laney> where my background doesn't load properly like 50% of the time
[08:16] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/what.png
[08:16] <larsu> I love that url...
[08:16] <Laney> also do I normally have those icons?
[08:17] <larsu> Laney: there's supposed to be a bg image?
[08:17] <seb128> hum
[08:17] <Laney> yes
[08:17] <Laney> I don't even know what that gradient is
[08:17] <larsu> Laney: text shadow on the icons is wrong
[08:17] <seb128> it's like nautilus was failing to read its config
[08:17] <larsu> ya
[08:17] <Laney> happens loads
[08:17] <larsu> Laney: you can set a gradient in bg settings
[08:17] <seb128> do yo have anything wrong in the logs?
[08:17] <larsu> Laney: in GNOME...
[08:17] <Laney> I was ignoring it yesterday because I was logging in all the time to fix that unity bug
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, in unity as well
[08:18] <larsu> seb128: ah, in the combo box
[08:18]  * larsu didn't see that at first
[08:20] <seb128> well, wrong bg + icons displayed when they should ... looks like to me that nautilus is not reading the correct gsettings config or something
[08:20] <Laney> running nautilus doesn't bring it back
[08:20] <seb128> well
[08:20] <seb128> oh
[08:20] <seb128> OH
[08:21] <larsu> is the file in org.gnome.desktop.background.picture-uri correct?
[08:21] <seb128> what is handling your desktop?
[08:21] <seb128> click on one of those icons
[08:21] <seb128> and do help->about
[08:21] <seb128> I bet it's one of the nautilus fork you installed
[08:21] <seb128> like the cinnamon one
[08:21] <seb128> or nemo
[08:21] <Laney> oh
[08:21] <Laney> does that happen?
[08:21] <seb128> yes
[08:21] <Laney> wtf
[08:21] <seb128> and the first to start wins the desktop
[08:21] <Laney> WTF!
[08:21] <Laney> I did install the MATE one
[08:22] <seb128> there you go
[08:22] <Laney> yeah that's totally running
[08:22] <Laney> this seems a bit shitty (how surprising)
[08:22] <seb128> and it's starting before nautilus half of the time
[08:22] <larsu> sigh
[08:23] <Laney> how do these things get started again?
[08:23] <seb128> /etc/xdf/autostart
[08:23] <seb128> xdg even
[08:23] <Laney> okay, I'll file a bug on caja to fix its file
[08:24] <seb128> to be OnlyShowIn?
[08:24] <Laney> yep
[08:24] <seb128> right, makes sense
[08:24] <larsu> caja is their name for the nautilus fork?
[08:25] <Laney> it is
[08:25] <seb128> yet another nautilus fork :/
[08:25] <seb128> couldn't those guys work together on e.g nemo?
[08:25] <larsu> the old "can't we work together" argument never worked
[08:26] <larsu> seb128: when are we switching? :P
[08:26] <seb128> larsu, to which one? ;-)
[08:26] <seb128> we should try one every cycle!
[08:27] <Laney> midnight commander
[08:27] <larsu> seb128: lol!
[08:27] <larsu> Laney: ts ts
[08:27] <seb128> larsu, hum, theme weirdness that might be new to your recent changes/landing
[08:28] <seb128> larsu, in gedit, the "search" box (the one you get with ctrl-f) has its borders transparents, I don't think it did before
[08:29] <seb128> which is not specific to o-s for once
[08:31] <larsu> uh oh
[08:32] <larsu> seb128: white bg for me - I guess it's supposed to be @theme_bg?
[08:32] <seb128> shrug
[08:32] <seb128> I wonder why it's buggy for me :-(
[08:32] <seb128> I don't know, it used to be white for me as well
[08:32] <larsu> AH!
[08:32] <larsu> it's transparent for me as well
[08:33] <larsu> I wonder what changed that...
[08:34] <seb128> you just said it was white?
[08:34] <larsu> yes, because the text view is white as well
[08:34] <larsu> putting some text there showed me it's actually transparent
[08:44] <seb128> larsu, oh, I saw it easy because I oped a new document at the first line was selected/with a grey bg for me
[08:44] <seb128> I've also the 80 columns margin displayed
[08:45] <larsu> seb128: this is what I'm using for testing now :)
[08:45] <seb128> :-)
[08:46] <larsu> oh, that was easy
[08:48] <larsu> seb128: @theme_base_color is not defined in our themes (it's just called @base_color)
[08:48] <seb128> but some software use that name?
[08:48] <larsu> seb128: got copied in with the latest gedit-specific tweaks in apps/gedit.css
[08:48] <larsu> I'll MR after some more testing
[08:49] <larsu> ah, there's more @theme_*
[08:49] <seb128> larsu, danke
[08:52] <seb128> larsu, can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/1376432 as well?
[08:53] <larsu> ya
[08:53] <seb128> danke
[08:57] <larsu> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/fix-gedit/+merge/236830
[08:58] <seb128> larsu, wfm, but if apps/other themes use e.g @theme_base_color, would it make sense to define that variable in our theme?
[08:59] <larsu> seb128: we've always called it @base_color in our theme. Not sure if we'd break anything if we went with Adwaita's definitions now
[08:59] <seb128> larsu, can't we add an alias?
[08:59] <seb128> just @theme_base_color pointing to @base_color
[08:59] <seb128> so both would work?
[08:59] <larsu> I'd rather not, there's quite a few of those
[08:59] <larsu> see colors.css
[08:59] <seb128> k
[08:59] <seb128> wfm in any case, thanks
[08:59] <larsu> sorry, gtk-main.css
[09:00] <larsu> seb128: in general we discourage applications from reusing variables from the theme
[09:00] <larsu> instead, they should just give their widgets the right classes
[09:00] <larsu> i.e, ".background" in this case
[09:01] <seb128> k
[09:25] <seb128> bah, GNOME bugzilla is slooow
[09:25] <larsu> ya :/
[09:26] <Laney> hosted by RH not Canonical ;-)
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, hey
[09:55] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-touch-fr doesn't include indicator-sound.mo anymore, do you know why?
[09:57] <pitti> hey seb128
[10:00] <pitti> seb128: there's indeed no trace of it, but it didn't disappear in the last upload
[10:01] <pitti> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/185102146/language-pack-touch-fr_1%3A14.10%2B20140909_1%3A14.10%2B20140916.diff.gz
[10:01] <pitti> it disappeared here
[10:01] <seb128> pitti, it's in the current rtm image
[10:01] <pitti> yes
[10:01] <seb128> pitti, said differently "please don't copy those updates to rtm" :-)
[10:01] <pitti> no, I stopped doing that, we now build RTM specifig langpacks
[10:01] <pitti> there should be an update todya
[10:02] <Laney> I wonder if that glib ever went in
[10:02] <seb128> Laney, speaking of glib, should be sync the stable version from Debian?
[10:02] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/glib2.0 looks like it didn't :/
[10:03] <Laney> yeah I was waiting because desrt said he was going to do a new stable without property deprecation warnings and removing the mutex abort
[10:03] <Laney> but that didn't come yet so maybe we should take this one
[10:03] <seb128> Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?h=glib-2-42&id=b12bd1c3dcfbb398d2462dcf584a1f6d5173ca9a
[10:03] <seb128> we can at least backport that one if we want
[10:04] <Laney> there should be a release
[10:04] <seb128> k
[10:04] <Laney> let's see what he says later, can decide then
[10:04] <seb128> the mutex things is going to be removed?
[10:04] <Laney> just the abort I think
[10:04] <seb128> or asked differently, do we need to backport https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=fbf38d16bcc26630f0f721d266509f5bc292f606
[10:04] <Laney> the glib fix would have the same effect
[10:04] <seb128> desrt, ^
[10:04] <seb128> k
[10:05] <seb128> if we are sure we are getting the glib change let's not backport the gtk one then
[10:05] <Laney> that gtk one is kind of a hack/workaround
[10:06] <seb128> right, but that's better than nothing
[10:06] <seb128> well if glib stop aborting even better
[10:07] <Laney> yes
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: so, I have not the slightest idea; the logs are already gone as we had two more updates after that
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: the next automatic update will fix it again
[10:09] <pitti> (I restored the files)
[10:09] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:23] <Laney> so good having media keys back
[10:23] <Laney> I was actually getting used to scroll wheeling on the indicator
[10:24] <Laney> we didn't fix the direction of scroll wheel scrolling in u-c-c -> sound?
[10:24] <seb128> larsu looked at it but couldn't reproduce
[10:25] <seb128> seems to depend of the type of pointing device in use
[10:25] <Laney> didn't the indicator have it before?
[10:25] <Laney> because that's right for me now
[10:26] <seb128> yeah, not sure what's the difference :/
[10:26] <seb128> it's buggy on most u-c-c sliders for me
[10:26] <seb128> like the keyboard repetitions, a11y, etc as well
[10:27] <larsu> seb128, Laney: gtk slider scroll direction is different from all sound sliders
[10:27] <Laney> same
[10:27] <larsu> afaik
[10:27] <Laney> you mean u-c-c overrides it to be the other way?
[10:27] <larsu> only for the sound slider, yes
[10:27] <Laney> well, seb128 just pointed out that other panels have this too
[10:28] <Laney> it's backwards for the touchpad on my laptop as well
[10:28]  * larsu is confused
[10:28] <Laney> two finger scrolling
[10:29] <larsu> indeed, two finger scrolling is the opposite direction
[10:30] <larsu> Laney: xev shows me that different buttons get activated...
[10:30] <larsu> ah, natural scrolling only affects two-finger scroll on the touchpad, not the scroll wheel one
[10:31] <larsu> Laney: if you turn natural scrolling off, is it consistent?
[10:31] <seb128> I don't have that setting on
[10:32] <Laney> me neither
[10:32] <seb128> still sound is the wrong way around
[10:32] <seb128> scroll up make it go lower
[10:32] <larsu> okay there are two issues here:
[10:32] <larsu> (1) the sound sliders react in the opposite way from all other sliders on the system
[10:32] <larsu> (2) when natural scrolling is turned on, two-finger scroll behaves in the opposite way from scroll wheel scroll
[10:33] <larsu> seb128: for me, it's the other way around. Which buttons does xev report for scroll up/down?
[10:33] <seb128> (3) the sound slider in u-c-c doesn't react the right way
[10:33] <larsu> seb128: this is (1), no?
[10:33] <seb128> no
[10:33] <seb128> for me it reacts the same way as the other sliders
[10:34] <seb128> the keyboard panel ones in u-c-c do the same
[10:34] <seb128> the a11y ones as well
[10:34] <Laney> they are all backwards in u-c-c for me
[10:34] <seb128> same here
[10:34] <seb128> scroll up xev button 4
[10:34] <seb128> down button 5
[10:34] <larsu> why do I see a difference then?
[10:34] <seb128> good question
[10:34] <seb128> I'm using an usb mouse
[10:34] <seb128> with a wheel
[10:35] <larsu> same for me, up 4, down 5 on the trackpoint and two-finger scroll
[10:35] <larsu> (without natural scrolling)
[10:35] <larsu> sound slider in u-c-c is up/forward, every other slider is up/backwards
[10:36] <seb128> k, for me sound is the same as every other slider
[10:36] <larsu> seb128: maybe you have the mate control center installed?
[10:36] <larsu> I'll look into it
[10:36]  * seb128 slaps larsu with a trout
[10:36] <Laney> haha
[10:36] <Laney> what's the gtk3 widget factory thing called?
[10:36] <seb128> gtk3-widget-factory
[10:36] <larsu> lol
[10:37] <Laney> oh yeah
[10:37] <Laney> wow
[10:37] <Laney> that has screwed up theming .......
[10:37] <seb128> those behave the same as u-c-c sliders
[10:37] <seb128> up = move to the left
[10:37] <larsu> Laney: hm?
[10:37] <Laney> transparent background
[10:37] <larsu> Laney: apart from non-resizable window and no shadow, it should be fine
[10:38] <Laney> but indeed it is also backwards
[10:38] <seb128> Laney, bug #1285783 might be the same
[10:38] <seb128> there is a fix there we forgot to land :/
[10:38] <seb128> want to test it?
[10:39] <Laney> kay
[10:39] <larsu> wfm
[10:39] <Laney> did he fwd it?
[10:40] <larsu> but I seem to be running a different os from you guys :/
[10:40] <Laney> are you using the archive gtk?
[10:40] <larsu> yes
[10:41] <seb128> larsu, do you have all the sound panels doing right on up?
[10:41] <seb128> like the one from the effects tab as well?
[10:41] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/wowzers.png
[10:41] <seb128> Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=02ccfb5d62430590b11b2d3e34b6100e4a6ddcda
[10:41] <larsu> seb128: yes, all the sound sliders go right on up
[10:42] <Laney> thanks, I'll try the upstream one
[10:42] <seb128> Laney, yeah, better, the upstream bug states that the downstream one had an issue
[10:42] <seb128> thanks
[10:43] <larsu> Laney: ah, o-s
[10:43] <seb128> larsu, k, I don't understand what's different between our setups :/
[10:43]  * larsu reproduces
[10:43] <larsu> we should just drop those
[10:43]  * larsu runs
[10:43] <larsu> (again)
[10:43] <Laney> 15.04 man
[10:44] <Laney> I need a bigger SSD so I don't have to delete checkouts all the time
[10:45] <Laney> or git could grow a "give me this commit from this remote as a .patch" command ...
[10:47] <larsu> cgit does that...
[10:48] <Laney> or that could give you it with a nice filename, indeed
[10:51] <seb128> bah
[10:51] <seb128> I don't understand why https://launchpadlibrarian.net/184385786/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.evolution-data-server_3.12.6-0ubuntu2_UPLOADING.txt.gz has its translations in "list-missing"
[10:51] <seb128> they are installed in debian/tmp
[10:51] <seb128> (from the log)
[10:52] <seb128> e-d-s-common.install lists the directory
[10:54] <seb128> or that's pkgstriptranslations
[10:54] <seb128> but then I don't get why the .mo don't show up on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=all
[10:54] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you have any idea?
[10:55] <seb128> it makes https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/evolution-data-server show 3.12 as untranslated
[10:55] <seb128> hum, maybe I should have accepted that template as "evolution-data-server" rather than -3.12?
[10:56] <seb128> where is dpm when have launchpad translation questions? :-)
[11:01] <Laney> seb128: that patch doesn't fix the widget factory
[11:03] <davmor2> seb128: wisely hiding as you have launchpad translation questions?
[11:15] <seb128> Laney, not even combined with the theme fix in the same lp bug?
[11:15] <seb128> davmor2, seems so
[11:15] <Laney> oh, didn't notice that
[11:29] <Laney> nah, still doesn't work :(
[11:34] <seb128> :-(
[11:34] <seb128> did you try gnome-tweak-tools to see if that one is fixed?
[11:34] <Laney> it breaks when I change tab
[11:35] <desrt> Laney: already removed the properties notices.  didn't remove the mutex assert -- i think that will stay, actually
[11:35] <desrt> should backport the gtk fix i guess
[11:35] <Laney> kay, up to you
[11:36] <Laney> you doing a release?
[11:36] <desrt> i can
[11:36] <Laney> also, hi :)
[11:36] <desrt> seems relatively minor at this point, though
[11:36] <desrt> may just wait to do it on schedule
[11:37] <larsu> morning desrt!
[11:37] <desrt> good morning
[11:37] <desrt> i will leave my house in 20 minutes
[11:37] <desrt> to drive to downtown toronto
[11:37] <larsu> seb128: I've MRed a backport for gnome-system-monitor, which fixes it for all themes (Adwaita wasn't affected, but High Contrast etc. were)(
[11:37] <desrt> being that it's 8am, this will take approximately an hour
[11:38] <larsu> desrt: but ... why?
[11:38] <desrt> and is something that, under normal circumstances, i would never ever do in a car
[11:38] <desrt> because, seriously...
[11:38] <desrt> but...
[11:38] <larsu> ya
[11:38] <desrt> it turns out that today is a special day
[11:38] <desrt> i have a friend who is being released from the hospital and he needs a ride home
[11:38] <larsu> awesome \O/
[11:38] <willcooke> yay!
[11:38] <seb128> nice
[11:38] <willcooke> great news
[11:38] <seb128> larsu, thanks, looking at that, so it was not the theme itself for once?
[11:39] <larsu> seb128: yep. The background was drawn incorrectly. I had a fix and then realized there was a (better) one upstream already, so I backported that
[11:39] <seb128> larsu, great, thanks
[11:39] <larsu> we shoudl really update g-s-m... we're on 3.8
[11:40] <seb128> yeah, I think the issue was gtkheaderbar
[11:40] <seb128> going to look at updating those with patches similar to evince
[11:40] <seb128> but that's for next cycle
[11:40]  * larsu makes a note of that
[11:41] <seb128> larsu, looks good, bonus point next time if you do (lp: <nnn>) in the changelog (doing that for you on this one)
[11:41] <larsu> seb128: oops, sorry
[11:41]  * larsu never remembers _all_ the things
[11:41] <seb128> no worry
[11:46] <seb128> larsu, on updating apps topic, next fun is going to be those annoying .desktop renames
[11:46] <seb128> the one to match the dbus name
[11:46] <seb128> I wonder what to do about that
[11:46] <seb128> I guess desrt is not going happy if we revert the renames
[11:46] <desrt> what's the problem?
[11:46] <desrt> users launcher settings getting screwed around?
[11:47] <seb128> yes
[11:47] <desrt> is that the only issue?
[11:47] <seb128> yes
[11:47] <seb128> but it's an annoying one
[11:47] <desrt> do we care about users? ;)
[11:47]  * seb128 slaps desrt with a trout
[11:47] <desrt> i have a plan... ish
[11:47] <larsu> we need a big map
[11:47] <desrt> no
[11:47] <desrt> we need
[11:47] <desrt> [Desktop Entry]
[11:48] <desrt> AliasFor=org.gnome.newname.desktop
[11:48] <larsu> as a separate file?
[11:48] <desrt> yes
[11:48] <desrt> it's the only sane way
[11:48] <seb128> how would that work?
[11:48] <larsu> hello stat!
[11:48] <desrt> larsu: no.
[11:48] <seb128> then you need to patch all the .desktop parsers
[11:48] <larsu> we'd love to call you more often
[11:48] <larsu> stat stat stat
[11:48]  * larsu sings
[11:48] <desrt> larsu: what are you even talking about?
[11:49] <desrt> seb128: other choice is symlinks
[11:49] <seb128> that leads to duplicate items in e.g the unity dash
[11:49] <desrt> seb128: unless we update all the desktop file parsers :)
[11:50] <seb128> :-/
[11:50] <seb128> let's not rename
[11:50] <desrt> one way or another something has to give
[11:50] <desrt> you can't not rename :p
[11:50] <seb128> well, those had a name let's keep it
[11:50] <seb128> bet I can?
[11:50] <desrt> the problem will just get bigger with time
[11:50] <desrt> and a lot of these apps are depending on dbus activation
[11:50] <Laney> keep the old one with NoDisplay
[11:50] <desrt> Laney: NoDisplay would be implied by Alias=
[11:50] <Laney> doesn't require fixing parsers
[11:51] <desrt> with the added benefit that old parsers wouldn't even understand it at all
[11:51] <Laney> if we don't care about that, then ya
[11:51] <seb128> Laney, would e.g nautilus show launchers with NoDisplay?
[11:51] <larsu> desrt: I'm talking about not having a desktop file cache yet
[11:51] <desrt> seb128: when browsing /usr/share/applications, yes
[11:51] <seb128> desrt, well, what if I've a nautilus link on my desktop to /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[11:51] <seb128> and we add NoDisplay there
[11:52] <desrt> yes
[11:52] <desrt> that should still be shown properly
[11:52] <seb128> yes what?
[11:52]  * seb128 tries
[11:52] <desrt> we do want the explicit aliasing functionality though
[11:52] <desrt> because we want to give a mechanism by which things like the launcher can update themselves
[11:53] <desrt> ie: check that the desktop file name is what we think that it is
[11:53] <desrt> and update it if it doesn't match
[11:53] <desrt> we could do that with symlinks as well, but it would involve more stat() calls ;)
[11:53] <Laney> seems like a reasonable feature
[11:53] <seb128> yeah
[11:53] <Laney> you could do both as a bridge
[11:54] <seb128> shame that things are done backward again though :/
[11:54] <seb128> rename first
[11:54] <seb128> deal with migration later
[11:54] <seb128> meanwhile users get screwed
[11:54] <desrt> we could also just do a map
[11:54] <seb128> "map"?
[11:54]  * larsu coughs
[11:54] <desrt> possibly populated via the first mechanism
[11:54] <desrt> or something like it
[11:54] <seb128> "we"
[11:54] <desrt> we is me :)
[11:54] <larsu> s/we/desrt
[11:55] <seb128> would that work for e.g KDE?
[11:55] <desrt> no
[11:55] <seb128> or would they need to do a map as well
[11:55] <seb128> k, what I though
[11:55] <desrt> no matter what we're looking at changes to desktop file parsers
[11:55] <seb128> shrug
[11:55] <seb128> not with the symlinks and NoDisplay
[11:55] <desrt> symlinks are the only way that we could completely avoid that
[11:55] <desrt> but they're only nice if you enjoy double-vision
[11:55] <seb128> well
[11:56] <seb128> having all the main parsers updated is going to take time
[11:56] <seb128> that should have been done before we start renaming
[11:56] <desrt> if you're really upset, i can give you glib by the weekend :p
[11:56] <seb128> no, I'm not, we are one cycle behind GNOME
[11:56] <desrt> anyway... if we do a map file, we can populate it via the desktop files themselves
[11:56] <seb128> so we didn't hit that wall yet
[11:56] <desrt> from WasNamed=gedit.desktop
[11:56] <desrt> or such lines
[11:56] <seb128> oh, the Debian guys were discussing a related issue yesterday
[11:57] <seb128> your favorite apps handler getting screwed on upgrade
[11:57] <desrt> seb128: this is sort of how things work, though....
[11:57] <desrt> upstream does the awesome future stuff
[11:57] <desrt> and the distro gets the fun work of figuring out how not to screw existing users
[11:57] <seb128> the mimetype associations also
[11:57] <desrt> welcome to the last 10 years of gnome-ubuntu relationship :)
[11:57] <seb128> like you upgrade and you get okular used for pdfs
[11:58] <desrt> seb128: the new spec should be backcompat to glib's previous behaviour
[11:58] <desrt> if not, i want to hear about it
[11:58] <seb128> because evince.desktop which is associated to pdf in your config isn't there anymore
[11:58] <desrt> ah
[11:58] <desrt> okay -- that's expected :)
[11:58] <seb128> "expected"
[11:58] <seb128> still wrong :/
[11:58] <desrt> i thought you meant about the mimeapps selection process itself
[11:58] <seb128> oh no
[11:58] <desrt> seb128: stop being grumpy :p
[11:58] <seb128> just another place which records the .desktop names
[11:58] <desrt> this is our job to fix and we will
[11:59] <seb128> I'm grumpy because those sort of things should be figured out before the changes happen :/
[11:59] <seb128> but yeah, let's discuss it in DC
[11:59] <seb128> that's a next cycle topic
[11:59] <desrt> i hope to have a fix before then :p
[11:59] <seb128> well your fixes are glib/GNOME specific
[11:59] <desrt> yup.
[12:00]  * desrt drives into the city
[12:00] <desrt> talk to you in a bit
[12:00] <Laney> say hi to your friend from me
[12:00] <seb128> desrt, see you!
[12:00] <desrt> Laney: will do :)
[12:01] <Laney> maybe talk to him about gtk/theme fixes for gnome-tweak-tool :-)
[12:01]  * Laney runs
[12:09] <Laney> seb128: you planning a gtk upload?
[12:09] <seb128> Laney, no, I did one this morning for gtk2 after our discussion and that was the one I had planned
[12:09] <Laney> k, np, taking that mutex fix
[12:10] <seb128> thanks
[12:11] <seb128> Laney, you can use bug #1376530 for tracking
[12:11] <seb128> bug #1374030 as well
[12:12] <Laney> yeah i had it, ty
[12:15] <dgadomski> hello everyone
[12:16] <dgadomski> seb128: update to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/445333
[12:16] <seb128> hey dgadomski
[12:16] <seb128> dgadomski, what update? I see no new comment
[12:16] <dgadomski> seb128: hello :)
[12:17] <dgadomski> seb128: I have been testing the backport for gtk2 and I was observing crashes with firefox
[12:17] <dgadomski> I investigated this issue and there is a bug in gtk (both: 2 and 3)
[12:17] <dgadomski> so this needs to be first patched before this backend may be used
[12:17] <seb128> oh, nice, did you file it upstream?
[12:17] <dgadomski> yes, along with a patch https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737777
[12:18] <seb128> thanks
[12:18] <dgadomski> would you like this to be included in the backport or should I make a separate lp bug for gtk2 and gtk3?
[12:19] <seb128> just add it as another patch in the series
[12:20] <dgadomski> you mean a separate patch in debian/patches?
[12:20] <seb128> yes
[12:20] <dgadomski> ok, I will, thanks a lot!
[12:52] <Laney> I just pushed gtk then, given that
[12:52] <Laney> might be best to wait a bit for upstream to review first
[12:56] <seb128> Laney, speaking about the printing issue for the upstream review?
[12:56] <Laney> yeh
[12:56] <seb128> k, makes sense
[13:00] <Laney> lunch,  biab
[13:17] <seb128> pitti, do you know where I can see the <source>translations.tar.gz exported from a build?
[13:17] <seb128> see/download to look at the content
[13:24] <pitti> seb128: ah, I don't think there's a UI for it indeed, you need to use lp-shell; hang on
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8479201/
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, danke!
[13:42] <seb128> ok, so the tarball is good
[13:43] <seb128> I guess it's because the launchpad template info was buggy
[13:43] <seb128> I've fixed the server side and did a no change upload of eds, let's see how that goes
[13:44] <immerrr> Hi all. I've run into an issue with gstreamer1.0-plugins-good package: it provides gstreamer1.0-audiosink, probably because it includes jack output plugin, but without jack server installed the plugin doesn't really work as an audiosink. Does it make sense to make a separate gstreamer1.0-jack metapackage to include good plugins and jack audioserver for that reason and have it provide the audiosink instead?
[14:24] <willcooke> immerrr, hrm - I'm not sure, but I think TheMuso might be able to advise you.  It's like 3 in the morning or something for him right now, but he'll no doubt see this message when he logs in
[14:34] <Trevinho> marga: hey, can you verify SRU for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1324114 ?
[14:38] <marga> Trevinho, I can, but not today, how urgent is it?
[14:38] <Trevinho> marga: not much, take your time... I just asked since you were the reporter with a such configuration ready, so it might be quicker for you
[14:39] <marga> Right
[14:41] <Trevinho> marga: thanks
[14:49] <seb128> Laney, do you fancy fixing a segfault in some u-s-s code you wrote? ;-)
[14:49] <seb128> it's glib code
[14:50] <Laney> umm
[14:52] <Laney> link?
[14:52] <Laney> also holy shit that eds fix, I was going to debug that
[14:53] <seb128> hehe
[14:53] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1375988
[14:53] <seb128> Laney, see the comment I just added
[14:54] <seb128> not sure what to do there/why they don't stop
[14:54] <seb128> we can wait until the callbacks are done before exiting
[14:54] <seb128> but that seems suboptimal
[14:56] <Laney> is there a trace?
[14:56] <seb128> no but I had a valgrind log and easy to reproduce
[14:57] <seb128> if I put that in the destructor
[14:57] <seb128>     while (!g_cancellable_is_cancelled (m_cancellable))
[14:57] <seb128>         g_warning("not done yet!\n");
[14:57] <seb128> it fixes it as well
[14:57] <seb128> with outputing those "not done yet" for a while
[14:58] <seb128> Laney, it's an invalid free in measure_finished()
[14:58] <seb128> well, as said I think that's because we exit the plugin/structures are freed but the callback are still pending
[14:58] <seb128> when they come back they try to free datas that are gone
[14:58] <seb128> -> segfault
[15:01] <seb128> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8479699/
[15:01] <seb128> valgrind
[15:02] <seb128> 123 is
[15:02] <seb128>     if (err != nullptr) {
[15:02] <seb128>         if (g_error_matches (err, G_IO_ERROR, G_IO_ERROR_CANCELLED)) {
[15:02] <seb128>             delete data->running;
[15:02] <seb128> the delete ^
[15:02] <Laney> so the cancellable cancels after the plugin is gone
[15:02] <seb128> yes
[15:02] <Laney> 123 is the unref here
[15:02] <seb128> well, I put debug prints
[15:02] <Laney> haha
[15:02] <seb128> that's why I tell you what line it is :p
[15:02] <seb128> it's the delete
[15:02] <Laney> kay
[15:04] <seb128> Laney, do you have any idea what the right fix would be there?
[15:04] <seb128> waiting on the callbacks to be done to exit the destructor?
[15:08] <Laney> I reckon it's because the callback is called multiple times
[15:08] <seb128> could be
[15:09] <seb128> is that one for desrt? ;-)
[15:22] <dgadomski> Trevinho: hi, thanks for your comments to the merge proposal, I have corrected it according to them
[15:22] <Trevinho> dgadomski: cool, I'll review them in a bit
[15:23] <dgadomski> Trevinho: I'll appreciate it, thanks
[15:24] <Trevinho> dgadomski: (privateScreen.optionGetHsize () > 1 || privateScreen.optionGetVsize () > 1) can also be (privateScreen.optionGetHsize () * privateScreen.optionGetVsize () > 1), as you prefer :)
[15:26] <dgadomski> Trevinho: whatever you prefer, they both get the job done ;)
[15:27] <Trevinho> dgadomski: can you also fix indentation for PointCompare? I really hate this way of indenting, but that's it... :/
[15:27] <Trevinho> dgadomski: and also
[15:27] <Trevinho> +	        savedFocus.erase (it);
[15:27] <Trevinho> +	        return w;
[15:27] <Trevinho> should be two tabs...
[15:29] <dgadomski> Trevinho: sure, fixed, please let me know if there is anything else before pushing
[15:30] <Trevinho> dgadomski: just few things, I'll post them in the revew in a sec
[15:30] <dgadomski> ok
[15:31] <Laney> seb128: something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/8479858/ ?
[15:31] <Laney> can't test it, desktop is too fast
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, I put a sleep(1) in the contructor
[15:32] <seb128> so I can click on the header while it's frozen
[15:32] <seb128> reproduce easily on desktop for me
[15:32] <Laney> oh ok
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, that diff ... if (data->running), you access the data structure after the plugin returned
[15:32] <seb128> that's likely to be problematic as well
[15:33] <Laney> where?
[15:33] <seb128> +            if (data->running) {
[15:33] <seb128> +                delete data->running;
[15:33] <seb128> but that callback is called after the plugin exited, I'm not sure the data structure is still allocated
[15:34] <Trevinho> dgadomski: done
[15:34] <Laney> oh right, yeah, it's on the heap so should be
[15:34] <Laney> might be another leak there actually
[16:02] <dgadomski> Trevinho: thanks, I've just updated the merge
[16:20] <Trevinho> dgadomski: thanks... I'm testing it, but for some reason that code don't run... and the correct lib is going, so let me check better :P
[16:20] <Trevinho> dgadomski: btw, there should be just another small clanup to do: if a window closes, then we should make sure that it gets removed from savedViewportFocus
[16:21] <Trevinho> dgadomski: oh, no sorry... that happens automatically in findViewportFocusCandidate
[16:21] <Trevinho> dgadomski: no need to do it, it will be delayed, but it's fine
[16:22] <Trevinho> dgadomski: ouch, no... So please move "savedViewportFocus.erase (it);" up before the "if (w)"... In this way also if we can't find a window that has that id, we erase it from the map
[16:23] <Trevinho> we only return it if found
[16:35] <Laney> seb128: try that
[16:35] <Laney> seems to wfm
[17:02] <Laney> byesie bye!
[17:03] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU <- you brits certainly have the more interesting politicians ...
[21:31] <dupondje> Got an issue in 14.10 with Gnome. When logging in my mouse pointer freezes on the screen.
[21:31] <dupondje> can still move the mouse, but the original one stays visible on the screen. Any idea's?
[21:32] <ochosi> xnox: hey there! we're seeing an odd bug in ubiquity with xubuntu utopic with the background staying black. any idea what that could be related to? (i checked bzr and couldn't find any relevant changes and we haven't changed anything in our setup)
[23:15] <TheMuso> immerrr: Makes sense to me, but I am not in charge of gstreamer, so you may want to talk to gstreamer maintainers.


[16:15] <Zic> Hi here, just a quick question regarding code of Unity 8: I'm aware that Unity 8 use a lot of QML, but QML permit designing UI and also do some "logic code". Most of apps that used Qt/QML that I saw just use QML for UI design, and C++ for "logic code", what is the point with Unity 8?
[16:16] <Zic> when I look to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/files, it seems that the logic code is also writen in QML, and the C++ code in src/ is just wrapper
[16:46] <Zic> I also heard that some parts were finally ported from QML to C++, as performances expected does not hit the require quality, does it concern all core parts or just some?
[17:33] <Zic> I found an all-explicative post on developer's blog which explain that: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/03/23/ride-us-road-ui-toolkit-20/ // so the Ubuntu toolkit is ported from QML to C++ but the API just expose QML, so convergent apps should use QML and JS by default, and C++ backend if they need some complex logic
[17:33] <Zic> thanks anyway and sorry for the monolog, have a nice day :)


[20:18] <jalcine> How many people think a native app for interacting with Android devices is in order for Ubuntu?


[00:19] <haljhon> nagev:  you could look at the modules loaded in your kernel... that would be a good start
[00:21] <haljhon> and the best answer seems to be 'sudo lshw -c video'
[00:52] <nagev> haljhon: thank you, 'lshw -c video' shows: "configuration: driver=radeon latency=0".  Is that proprietary or open source?
[00:53] <haljhon> modinfo -F license radeon
[00:53] <haljhon> GPL and additional rights
[00:53] <haljhon> looks like it is open-source :)
[00:54] <nagev> cool, thank you
[00:57] <nagev> so i guess i need to install fglrx to get vaapi working in mplayer.  If I install fglrx and am not happy can i just apt-get remove it and my system will revert back to the currently used GPL driver?
[00:58] <haljhon> it looks like there's an uninstall script included with it
[00:58] <haljhon> you should run the uninstaller and then purge it.
[00:59] <haljhon> and then I would assume the open-source driver would get used again... I don't know if fglrx blacklists radeon (I'd assume it does) so you might have to manually ensure that it isn't still blacklisted
[00:59] <haljhon> one would assume the purge operation would do this... however, I have seen instances where this doesn't always work as desired and I've had to manually remove a blacklist.
[01:00] <nagev> right, thanks alot :)
[01:01] <haljhon> this looks like it might be helpful to you: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[01:06] <nagev> thanks.  I just noticed a package in synaptic called glx-alternative-fglrx.  It lets you switch between drivers.  I will try that.  Would be nice if I could create some sort of restore point to revert to if it all goes horribly wrong!
[01:17] <nagev> oh that package is broken.  anyway i installed fglrx. is it best to reboot or is there a command I can use to restart X with the new driver?
[02:42] <xubuntu326> lol didn't bother to change my nic... anyways, win 8 doesn't make it easy to boot from disk =P
[02:42] <xubuntu326> it\s almost like they dont want you to install xubuntu
[02:57] <nathanesau> does anyone here know about installing xubuntu with win8
[02:57] <nathanesau> cause i have some questions
[02:58] <holstein> !dualboot | nathanesau
[02:58] <Unit193> !uefi
[02:59] <nathanesau> just a question
[03:00] <nathanesau> i already installed xubuntu
[03:00] <nathanesau> and the disk ejected itself
[03:00] <nathanesau> but then the computer booted up to windows 8....
[03:00] <nathanesau> i dont really want to partition my disk a third time
[03:00] <holstein> nathanesau: what do you want?
[03:00] <nathanesau> access ubuntu
[03:00] <nathanesau> i already installed it
[03:01] <holstein> nathanesau: you should see a menu at boot time... grub..
[03:01] <Unit193> holstein: This happens, if he installed a 64bit version he may need to run boot-repair and he's done.
[03:01] <holstein> nathanesau: do you see options at boot? about what OS to choose? how did you install?
[03:01] <nathanesau> i used a disc
[03:01] <nathanesau> 13.04
[03:01] <holstein> well.. running boot-repair wont hurt anything, thats for sure
[03:01] <nathanesau> and installed default settings
[03:02] <holstein> Unit193: you talking about from a live CD?
[03:02] <Unit193> holstein: Running boot-repair from live?  Yes.
[03:02] <holstein> nathanesau: thats what i would do first ^^
[03:02] <nathanesau> from a live cd?
[03:02] <nathanesau> what do you mean
[03:03] <holstein> nathanesau: running boot repair from a liveCD.. installing grub, which seems to have not installed
[03:03] <nathanesau> hmmm
[03:03] <nathanesau> how would i run boot repair
[03:03] <nathanesau> do i need a different disk?
[03:03] <nathanesau> (windows 8 messes up the startup options)
[03:03] <holstein> nathanesau: no.. you should be able to use the installer CD you have
[03:03] <holstein> nathanesau: what are you talking about? windows 8 does what?
[03:04] <nathanesau> you can't boot from disc
[03:04] <nathanesau> and access bios options the same way
[03:04] <holstein> nathanesau: boot the live CD the same way you did to install xubuntu
[03:04] <nathanesau> ok
[03:04] <nathanesau> and then what?
[03:04] <holstein> !grub
[03:05] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2 nathanesau
[03:06] <holstein> nathanesau: hopefully leading you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair if you were to read carefully
[03:26] <nathanesau> ok heres what i found out
[03:26] <nathanesau> in the windows 8 boot options it has priorities
[03:26] <nathanesau> i.e. 1st option: boot from disk, 2nd: windows 8, 3rd ubuntu
[03:26] <nathanesau> so i took out the disk and swapped the 3rd option with the 1st
[03:27] <nathanesau> and grub was able to load up ubuntu
[03:27] <nathanesau> HOWEVER, when i clicked on the windows 8 loader option, it said that it was an invalid path
[03:27] <nathanesau> and asked me to press any key
[03:27] <nathanesau> and then it went back to the main grub menu
[03:28] <nathanesau> so basically,  grub doesn't let me boot to windows, but i dont know why
[03:29] <holstein> windows 8 boot options wouldnt be grub
[03:29] <holstein> i would install, or reinstall grub
[03:29] <holstein> if you didnt use boot-repair, use it
[03:29] <nathanesau> i did reinstall
[03:30] <nathanesau> i dont understand why the windows 8 loader doesnt work
[03:30] <nathanesau> because the ubuntu loader works
[03:30] <holstein> !uefi
[03:30] <holstein> ^^  its likely something to do with that
[03:50] <nathanesau> ok so the error i get it "can't find command 'drivemap'
[03:50] <nathanesau> error: invalid EFI file path
[03:51] <nathanesau> in my system setup i have disabled fast boot
[03:51] <nathanesau> and also disabled secure boot control
[03:51] <nathanesau> i can boot from disk again if i need to,
[03:51] <nathanesau> just need to know what to do
[03:53] <holstein> !uefi | nathanesau i would have to refer to this, since i dont have uefi hardware to test with
[03:54] <holstein> nathanesau: you can always try another boot manager. GAG for example
[03:54] <nathanesau> hmmm
[03:54] <nathanesau> just a question
[03:54] <nathanesau> if you look at the link you posted
[03:55] <nathanesau> it says to "do something else"
[03:55] <nathanesau> rather than run windows alongside
[03:55] <nathanesau> would i have to reformat my hard drive if i chose this option
[03:55] <nathanesau> (again i mean)
[03:55] <holstein> nathanesau: you have ubuntu installed and booting
[03:55] <holstein> correct?
[03:56] <nathanesau> yes
[03:56] <holstein> those options are for faciliating that..
[03:56] <nathanesau> but the windows 8 loader doesn't work
[03:56] <holstein> sure.. and that option that you just asked me about has *nothing* to do with that
[03:57] <holstein> that faciliates the booting of the ubuntu partition
[03:57] <nathanesau> ok
[03:57] <nathanesau> um.... what other loaders are there
[03:57] <nathanesau> other than grub
[03:58] <holstein> well, there the one i mentioned above.. GAG.. and *many* others
[03:58] <holstein> theres the one in windows that will work for windows only
[03:58] <nathanesau> can i overwrite grub with gag
[03:58] <holstein> you should know how to revert to it.. then, you could have GRUB on a usb stick to boot linux..
[03:58] <holstein> nathanesau: i have no idea what state that machine is in, but there is nothing about xubuntu or grub preventing you from overwriting anything with anything
[03:59] <nathanesau> is gag on the ubuntu disk i have
[03:59] <holstein> no
[03:59] <holstein> i find it by searching "gag boot manager" http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[04:02] <nathanesau> ok i have it on a stick
[04:02] <holstein> it?
[04:02] <nathanesau> how do i install from a stick ( i have never done that)
[04:02] <nathanesau> gag
[04:03] <nathanesau> ok let's see what happens
[04:03] <holstein> i would just try GAG live
[04:03] <nathanesau> what do you mean try gag live
[04:03] <nathanesau> on a cd?
[04:04] <nathanesau> on my computer?
[04:04] <nathanesau> (in windows 8 interface i mean)
[04:04] <holstein> nathanesau: i mean, try it... dont just install it and break grub
[04:05] <holstein> try it first.. live.. from the cd or usb
[04:05] <nathanesau> im not able to try it from a usb though
[04:05] <nathanesau> lilke.... i set it to boot from usb
[04:05] <nathanesau> but all i have on the usb is gag
[04:05] <nathanesau> and nothing happened
[04:06] <holstein> sure. just leave it if its not working for you
[04:06] <nathanesau> ok.... but can i reinstall ubuntu i guess?
[04:06] <nathanesau> like would it just overwrite itself?
[04:06] <holstein> why?
[04:06] <holstein> nothing is wrong with ubuntu.. its booting..
[04:06] <nathanesau> because i can't get gag to launch
[04:07] <nathanesau> ya but the windows 8 loader doesn't work
[04:07] <holstein> sure.. thats windows though
[04:08] <holstein> reinstall ubuntu if you want, but it'll likely do the same
[04:08] <holstein> what would i do? just relax and search for help in a windows venue about how to boot it from grub
[04:09] <holstein> i would know how to revert to the windows boot loader.. i would also know that at that point, i can install grub to a USB stick, and boot ubuntu from there
[04:10] <nathanesau> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15285115/windows-7-ubuntu-12-04-invalid-efi-file-path-boot-repair-grub-many-entri
[04:10] <nathanesau> what does he mean by "repair tool which inserted new entries into grub"
[04:10] <nathanesau> do you know what he's talking about
[04:17] <holstein> nathanesau: grub *never* booted windows for you.. grub is booting xubuntu fine
[04:18] <nathanesau> correct
[04:18] <holstein> the issue is ith grub and your particular setup of windows
[04:18] <holstein> is with*
[04:20] <holstein> there is likely something you can add to grub to get it to boot your windows
[04:23] <holstein> i would have to have that hardware in front of me
[04:23] <nathanesau> im trying something one sec
[04:24] <holstein> these are the facts.. *if*, and assuming your windows was booting and fine before this, then its still fine.. xubuntu and grub are *not* broken at all..
[04:24] <holstein> you windows is not allowing grub to boot it
[04:24] <nathanesau> correct
[04:24] <nathanesau> only boots through its own loader
[04:24] <holstein> nathanesau: so, windows boots?
[04:25] <nathanesau> not through grub
[04:25] <holstein> nathanesau: but, you can boot windows?
[04:25] <nathanesau> yes
[04:26] <holstein> nathanesau: i would just relax then.. dont "fix" what aint broke
[04:27] <nathanesau> ok, it's just inconvenient that i can't access ubuntu and windows from the same loader
[04:27] <holstein> nathanesau: something about your uefi is preventing grub from booting it.. if you can boot both the OS's you have installed.. then, you have no problem
[04:27] <holstein> nathanesau: let the manufacturer of your hardware know of your inconvinience.. and maybe microsoft as well
[04:27] <nathanesau> ok
[04:29] <nathanesau> windows 7 > windows 8 imo
[04:29] <nathanesau> ubuntu > all
[04:29] <holstein> hehe
[04:29] <nathanesau> (in some ways0
[04:29] <nathanesau> i just used this "fix"
[04:30] <nathanesau> http://whoochee.blogspot.ca/2012/12/uefi-ubuntu-boot-along-with-win8.html#!/2012/12/uefi-ubuntu-boot-along-with-win8.html
[04:30] <nathanesau> just testing if it worked
[04:32] <holstein> boot repair is what you tried first, correct?
[04:32] <nathanesau> ya ive tried a bunch of stuff lol
[04:32] <holstein> i would stop
[04:33] <holstein> i would relax, and use the system "as-is" since you *can* dualboot
[04:33] <nathanesau> i got it to work
[04:33] <nathanesau> IT worked
[04:33] <nathanesau> the link i posted worked
[04:33] <holstein> yeah? the boot-repair?
[04:34] <holstein> nathanesau: thats what Unit193 suggested when you first came in the channel.. thats what i linked for you way back, that you said you had tried
[04:34] <nathanesau> lol
[04:34] <nathanesau> sorry for all the trouble
[04:35] <holstein> nathanesau: no trouble.. i just thought you had already tried it.. otherwise, i would have pushed for you to try it..
[04:35]  * Unit193 setup a UEFI system once.
[04:37] <nathanesau> ok..... finally
[04:37] <nathanesau> ubuntu is really efficient
[04:37] <nathanesau> my computer is only using 10% memory
[04:37] <Unit193> (Ubuntu, or Xubuntu?)
[04:37] <nathanesau> xubuntu
[04:37] <nathanesau> but they are very similar?
[04:41] <nathanesau> anyways, ttyl
[04:41] <Unit193> Adios.
[04:41] <nathanesau> holstein why are you not an op
[05:50] <WalterN> meh
[05:51] <WalterN> when I plug in my camera and try to look at pictures, I get "Failed to mount "Canon Digital Camera""
[05:51] <WalterN> "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)."
[05:54] <SunStar> have you power cycled both devices?
[05:54] <WalterN> the camera? sure... I dont feel like turning off my computer... it has been an issue before though
[05:55] <acerimmer> WalterN, I get that too.  solved by switching from thunar to nautilus file browser.
[05:55] <WalterN> (as in, updates have happened, and the computer has restarted at least once since then)
[05:55] <WalterN> acerimmer: so I just need to install nautlius?
[05:56] <acerimmer> WalterN, um, it might be there.  it's installed by default with ubuntustudio.  run apt-cache policy nautilus
[05:57] <WalterN> installed: (none)... does that mean its not installed?
[05:57] <WalterN> :P
[05:57] <acerimmer> WalterN, that's what it means
[05:58] <WalterN> alright, lets see what happens
[05:59] <WalterN> hmm
[05:59] <WalterN> do I need to log out and log back in or something annoying like that?
[05:59] <acerimmer> WalterN, "need"?  do this; install nautilus.  then see if it'll run without reboot.
[06:00] <WalterN> yeah, it just errors the same way, only it gives me a 'something crashed' thing in the top bar
[06:01] <WalterN> enh
[06:01] <WalterN> there is a kernel update anyway
[06:02] <acerimmer> WalterN, hmm.  best to fully update perhaps.  sudo apt-get update    sudo apt-get upgrade    sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    will update your current distro
[06:02] <WalterN> whats the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[06:03] <acerimmer> WalterN, upgrade will update all currently installed package version.  dist-upgrade will update to latest package versions
[06:03] <WalterN> cause I already ran dist-upgrade
[06:03] <acerimmer> WalterN, and the kernels STILL didn't install?
[06:04] <WalterN> no, its working its magic right now
[06:04] <WalterN> done
[06:04] <WalterN> alright, rebooting
[06:09] <WalterN> back
[06:09] <acerimmer> WalterN, what's the word?
[06:10] <WalterN> that I have IRC running at the moment XD
[06:11] <WalterN> I open nautilus from the command line and select my camera, and I get the same error message
[06:11] <acerimmer> WalterN, sorry that didn't work.
[06:12] <WalterN> I guess
[06:12] <acerimmer> WalterN, suggest you google cameraname + "error code"
[06:12] <acerimmer> WalterN, or ask in the main #ubuntu channel
[06:12] <WalterN> what was that open location -> gphoto2 thing?
[06:19] <WalterN> bleh
[06:22] <WalterN> there we go
[06:22] <WalterN> gphoto2://[usb:002,004]/
[06:25] <WalterN> ffff
[06:26] <WalterN> its kinda crashy
[06:26] <WalterN> but I pulled some files off
[06:26] <WalterN> kinda a lot crashy
[10:50] <carognaverde> help, first time trying to insatll xubuntum it says critical error cannot install, and gives me access to the live mode, how from here can I check whats wrong? thanx
[10:58] <carognaverde> hello?
[11:01] <kgb> carognaverde: hi, you are not alone! ;) :) in here, I mean ;s
[11:02] <kgb> are you using the CD, or live USB, what program did you use to make it?
[11:02] <carognaverde> :)
[11:03] <kgb> this one is good http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[11:03] <kgb> err I think
[11:04] <carognaverde> xubuntu 12.10 on a usb stick
[11:05] <carognaverde> i can use it live, but wont go thru8 with the installation .......actually not even winxp would install, i guess somethings wrong on this computer but dunno what to check :)
[11:06] <kgb> oic :(
[11:07] <kgb> where does it error-out, can you get to the partitioning part? if there's no data on the disk, can you re-partition from scratch?
[11:07] <kgb> maybe it's something simple
[11:08] <carognaverde> it;s at the partitioning where it errors out
[11:08] <carognaverde> there is data on the disk, but i am happy to get rid of it :)
[11:10] <kgb> you COULD, technically, /fixboot and /fixmbr from windows.. then free up space (like at the end of the disk) for xubuntu - and then let the installer use the free space (just leaving it free, from windows disk managament, not creating any partitions for linux there)
[11:10] <carognaverde> no windows access, just this live xubuntu access
[11:10] <kgb> sry * /fixboot and /fixmbr from a windows setp/recovery disk
[11:11] <kgb> oh, so you don't even have a working windows system on it?
[11:11] <Sysi> try opening gparted while on live mode, create new partition table
[11:11] <carognaverde> exactloy
[11:11] <kgb> :(
[11:11] <kgb> im afraid to give any advice, then xD
[11:12] <Sysi> carognaverde: if creating partition table works, try creating partitions, full disk minus 1GB or something ext4 partition and a small swap partition
[11:13] <Sysi> (swap being 1GB or so that was not used ext4 partition)
[11:13] <kgb> ^ just btw., shouldn't swap = amount of RAM?..
[11:14] <Sysi> not unless you're gonna enable hibernation and use it
[11:14] <kgb> oic!..
[11:16] <kgb> afk, gl carognaverde
[12:52] <carognaverde> hello friends, back again... newbie having problems installing xubuntu (but i can get it live,,,somebody was suggesting me gparted...still here ?
[13:02] <carognaverde> oh well,. i managed to open gparted, and now I'm lost, never did a partition.....can somebody help me? :)
[13:03] <bgardner> carognaverde: What was the original problem you had installing that led you to use gparted?
[13:04] <GNUdru> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html carognaverde
[13:05] <bgardner> GNUdru: Nice tutorial
[13:06] <carognaverde> waesn't able to install xubuntu from usb, i can just acces live (that;s where I'm now), the error during installation camos at the partition moment....even windows gives me problems installing...so xubuntu live is all I've got :)
[13:18] <carognaverde> so...suggestions appreciated......shall i format one of the 2 hard drives? or safer to create a new partition on one of them?
[13:20] <carognaverde> one it says is ext2 (not mounted, other extended (not busy, there are no  mounted logical partitions)
[13:22] <bgardner> carognaverde: Do you have existing data on the drive that you are interested in protecting, or is the drive free to delete everything?
[13:23] <carognaverde> free to delete >:)
[13:24] <bgardner> carognaverde: Then I would run the installer again, choosing the option to let the installer automatically use the entire drive (removing all existing data).  If THAT still gives errors, come back here and tell us what errors you get.
[13:25] <GNUdru> + to that
[13:27] <b3rz3rk3r> hi all, I've just started getting Compton freezing the machine on login today, but it has been working fine for over a week (with rebooting) until now. How do I start to trouble shoot this?
[13:27] <carognaverde> that was giving me the error, something like the installer  enountered an unrecoverable error
[13:28] <elfy> carognaverde: did you check the iso you burnt from before you burnt it?
[13:28] <elfy> carognaverde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[13:29] <carognaverde> the iso was good, but downloaded it long time ago, not even winxp, will install on this machine...i believe soimthing with the hard disk\
[13:30] <elfy> did gparted have any black triangles ? or exclamation marks ?
[13:31] <carognaverde> actually no...i'm thinking of starting a check on gparted, is taht a good idea?
[13:35] <elfy> well, if you have issues installing anything then I'd say you've got an issue somewhere - gparted might show you
[13:37] <carognaverde> check did not work
[13:37] <bgardner> carognaverde: Details?
[13:42] <carognaverde> GParted 0.12.1 --enable-libparted-dmraid
[13:42] <carognaverde> Libparted 2.3
[13:42] <carognaverde> Check and repair file system (ext2) on /dev/sda1  00:00:00    ( ERROR )
[13:42] <carognaverde>
[13:42] <carognaverde> calibrate /dev/sda1  00:00:00    ( SUCCESS )
[13:42] <carognaverde>
[13:42] <carognaverde> path: /dev/sda1
[13:42] <carognaverde> start: 2,048
[13:42] <carognaverde> end: 499,711
[13:42] <carognaverde> size: 497,664 (243.00 MiB)
[13:42] <carognaverde> check file system on /dev/sda1 for errors and (if possible) fix them  00:00:00    ( ERROR )
[13:42] <carognaverde>
[13:42] <carognaverde> e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1
[13:42] <carognaverde>
[13:42] <carognaverde> /dev/sda1 is mounted.
[13:43] <carognaverde> e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
[13:43] <carognaverde> e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[13:44] <bgardner> carognaverde: You said you were in a live USB session, right?  Did you mount the hard drive after booting up?
[13:45] <carognaverde> no
[13:46] <bgardner> carognaverde: And you're certain /dev/sda is the hard drive?
[13:47] <carognaverde> yes, i have 2, the second haRD DRIVE HAS A little arrow icon, that if i expand, says sda5 ubuntu
[13:47] <bgardner> carognaverde: Run this and paste the link it hands back: mount | pastebinit
[13:48] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774013/
[13:49] <bgardner> carognaverde: And you want to clear /dev/sda and put Ubuntu on it, is that right?
[13:49] <carognaverde> yes
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[13:50] <carognaverde>
[13:50] <carognaverde> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[13:50] <carognaverde> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[13:50] <carognaverde> udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[13:50] <carognaverde> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[13:50] <carognaverde> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
[13:50] <carognaverde> /dev/sdc on /cdrom type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[13:50] <carognaverde> /dev/loop0 on /rofs type squashfs (ro,noatime)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[13:50] <bgardner> !flood | carognaverde
[13:50] <carognaverde> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[13:50] <carognaverde> none on /run/user type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=104857600,mode=0755)
[13:50] <carognaverde> gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/xubuntu/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=xubuntu)
[13:50] <carognaverde> /dev/sda1 on /media/xubuntu/5b476ef0-be79-4843-bf81-9c732be49cef type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2)
[13:51] <carognaverde> my bad
[13:51] <Unit193> Thanks, just next time use a pastebin please. :)
[13:52] <carognaverde> i did,  just now learned what they do :)
[13:52] <bgardner> carognaverde: It's okay.  Okay, gparted is throwing errors because your HDD is already mounted.  Dismount it first (right click on desktop icon for sda and unmount), then try gparted again.
[13:53] <carognaverde> unmounteds, what action shall i do next on gparted?
[13:53] <bgardner> carognaverde: The same check you ran before.
[13:53] <carognaverde> check?
[13:54] <bgardner> carognaverde: Yes
[13:54] <carognaverde> error again
[13:54] <bgardner> carognaverde: paste.ubuntu.com the error?
[13:57] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774031/
[13:58] <carognaverde> shall i try formatting, or shall i try working on the second hard drive?
[13:58] <bgardner> That's the mount list again - I was looking to get the error gparted was giving you.
[13:59] <carognaverde> its the same as previous
[14:00] <bgardner> carognaverde: Then you didn't get the drive dismounted - the previous error was '/dev/sda1 is mounted'.
[14:00] <carognaverde> e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1
[14:00] <carognaverde> e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[14:00] <carognaverde> to sum it up :)
[14:03] <bgardner> carognaverde: Either it is failing to unmount, or it is getting automatically remounted.  Make sure you don't have any extraneous windows open (close down to just irc, terminal and gparted) and work on getting /dev/sda1 dismounted.
[14:04] <bgardner> carognaverde: You can check with 'mount' at a command line.  As long as '/dev/sda1' appears in that list, gparted will fail on the test you are running, as it requires the partition to be unmounted.
[14:04] <Unit193> Should be able to   sudo umount /media/xubuntu/5b476ef0-be79-4843-bf81-9c732be49cef
[14:05] <bgardner> Yes, or sudo umount /dev/sda1
[14:05] <carognaverde> and that worked :)
[14:06] <carognaverde> great, what next? :)
[14:08] <bgardner> carognaverde: I would empty that drive - remove all the partitions.  Then, install Ubuntu on it.
[14:08] <carognaverde> with format on gparted?
[14:09] <bgardner> carognaverde: No, with 'remove partition' in gparted.
[14:09] <bgardner> carognaverde: The installer will create new partitions and format them during installation.
[14:09] <bgardner> carognaverde: Just work on getting /dev/sda to have no partitions.
[14:10] <carognaverde> i dont see..remove partition option
[14:11] <bgardner> carognaverde: Sorry, I was paraphrasing.  Been a while since I was in gparted.
[14:12] <carognaverde> :)
[14:12] <bgardner> carognaverde: Right click on the first partition in /dev/sda and tell me what options you have.
[14:13] <bgardner> carognaverde: Remember your current goal is to remove all partitions on /dev/sda - feel free to follow logical menu choices that would achieve that goal.
[14:14] <carognaverde> delete- resize/move- copy - format to - manage flags - check -label - new uuid - information
[14:15] <bgardner> carognaverde: Delete
[14:16] <carognaverde> Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use.  As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use.  You should reboot now before making further changes.
[14:17] <bgardner> carognaverde: Okay, do as it says and come back when you are back up.  We'll be here.
[14:17] <carognaverde> cancel or ignore?
[14:17] <bgardner> carognaverde: Definitely don't cancel it, this is what you have been trying to accomplish.
[14:18] <carognaverde> shall i restart? no more sda1 on gparted, its calle dunallocated
[14:19] <bgardner> carognaverde: Is /dev/sda empty now?
[14:20] <elfy> if it is - I would be inclined to reboot the live medium now
[14:20] <bgardner> I agree with elfy
[14:20] <carognaverde> and come back live, or try to install directly?
[14:20] <elfy> do the try again
[14:20] <bgardner> carognaverde: I'd install, yes
[14:20] <elfy> then connect here
[14:21] <carognaverde> tahx guys, see ya in a little
[14:21] <bgardner> carognaverde: Good luck
[14:21] <elfy> personally I'd do the try and come here and then you can double check stuff
[14:21] <bgardner> carognaverde: Yeah, let us know how it went
[14:36] <carognaverde> damn...here's the result
[14:37] <carognaverde> unrecoverable error
[14:37] <holstein> the result of??
[14:38] <bgardner> carognaverde: Which step of the installation?  Last thing it was doing?  Any details you can give would help.
[14:38] <holstein> looking back at the scroll, if that were my hardware, i would run a test on the hardware
[14:40] <carognaverde> after congratulations.....blah blah blah (the slideshow, after telling him to erase data and, it stops and says that
[14:40] <holstein> carognaverde: him?
[14:41] <holstein> if he has a bad hard drive, theres not really anything that you can do other than replace the hardware
[14:44] <carognaverde> can i try to doi something with the second hard drive?
[14:44] <bgardner> carognaverde: You can, if you want to install on it.
[14:44] <holstein> a bad hard drive would qualify as an "unrecoverable error".. other errors like that would be kernel panics with hardware support or other issues.. that would be easy to troubleshoot by booting a live CD
[14:44] <bgardner> carognaverde: Is it also a drive you are willing to empty?
[14:44] <carognaverde> yes
[14:45] <holstein> i would run some test on the drive.. i would want those tests to take over an hour
[14:45] <bgardner> carognaverde: If you want to try the other drive, then I would suggest you remove /dev/sda from your system and try your installation again.
[14:46] <holstein> you could run them from the live CD while you are booting tothe desktop there to see that the driver support is OK
[14:46] <carognaverde> am i not on a live cd? and troubleshoot is what im trying to do <:)
[14:46] <bgardner> carognaverde is currently in a live environment on a USB stick, if I remember correctly.
[14:46] <holstein> carognaverde: then, booting the live CD *is* a troubleshooting step.. one in which you can test the drives.. also, removing the drive is a great suggestion
[14:46] <carognaverde> yes
[14:47] <carognaverde> how do i test the drives?
[14:47] <holstein> carognaverde: one way is to, as bgardner suggests, remove the suspect drive, and try another.. or use diagnostic tools from the live CD
[14:48] <holstein> i keep this live CD around for diagnostics http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html
[14:51] <carognaverde> what diagnostic tools do i have on here? (sorry)
[14:51] <holstein> carognaverde: what are you using? you said you are not running the live CD.. what are you running?
[14:53] <holstein> plus, im not saying you *have* a bad hard drive.. keep in mind, techs charge good money to do what im suggesting is a good troubleshooting step because its not exactly trivial..
[14:53] <carognaverde> yes,  i am running xubuntu live cd
[14:54] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343410
[14:55] <holstein> theres a GUI tool.. you can use to check the health.. but, i wouldnt waste a lot of time on it if you feel its over your head
[14:56] <holstein> the fact is, if you are booting the live CD, then the hardware support is likely fine for your machine.. a step that is failing in the installation process would logically be hard drive related.. since the hardware is loading the operating system live without any issues
[14:56] <bgardner> carognaverde: Just for fun, do this in a terminal: 'dmesg | pastebinit' and send us the resulting url.  This assumes you haven't rebooted since you got the 'unrecoverable error'.
[14:56] <holstein> unplugging the drive will do the same
[14:58] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774172/
[15:02] <holstein> yeah.. i would test the hardware
[15:02] <holstein> carognaverde: have you installed ubuntu before?
[15:04] <carognaverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5774172/
[15:05] <carognaverde> nope, tried a cpl of times
[15:06] <holstein> carognaverde: typically it works like this.. i boot a live CD, if the hardware seems supported well, the install takes about 8 minutes.. when it hasnt taken 8 minutes, i usually find some hardware failure.. do you have other hardware? another machin to install?
[15:07] <holstein> carognaverde: what operating system are you accustomed to?
[15:08] <carognaverde> xp
[15:09] <holstein> maybe go back to that to test the hardware. remove variables.. and linux/ubuntu for you is in itself a large variable
[15:09] <holstein> otherwise, there is a memory test on the live CD.. you boot and tap shift and choose "memtest"
[15:10] <holstein> you can use the tools i linked above to test the hard drive/drives.. or remove the drive you are using and try a different one
[15:13] <carognaverde> thanx, right now i'm installing smartmontools
[15:14] <carognaverde> then i;ll try the memtest, and next, unplugging the drive ;0
[15:15] <carognaverde> 67 minutes, to complete....in the meantime gotta go to the post office, thanx for now guys,,,,later
[15:26] <xubuntu470> spanish
[15:27] <xubuntu470> hola
[15:36] <wiredfool_> how do I disable auto url hotlinking in the terminal? help and google aren't doing it for me
[15:37] <wiredfool_> xfce4-terminal, xubuntu 12.04
[15:37] <bgardner> wiredfool_: Hang on, looking.
[15:47] <bgardner> wiredfool_: Looks like you want to modify your terminalrc file and change this option: "MiscHighlightUrls=TRUE" to FALSE
[15:47] <bgardner> wiredfool_: File is probably located at ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc
[15:48] <wiredfool_> k, checking
[15:50] <wiredfool_> looks like that did it.
[15:50] <wiredfool_> thanks
[15:50] <bgardner> wiredfool_: Sure thing, glad it worked for you
[15:50]  * wiredfool_ was sick of accidentlly visiting ftp.2013.key
[16:50] <wiredfool2> so, I was resizing and moving my main partition when booted in xubuntu 13.04 from a usb key, and gparted died: http://pastebin.com/SxNjkLb1 This does not fill me with confidence
[16:55] <wiredfool2> and, the livecd is seriously aggressive about mounting partitions, including when gparted is in the middle of operations
[18:04] <carognaverde> hi, a cpl of hrs ago i ran sudo smartctl -t long /dev/sda1, and the terminal said Please wait 67 minutes for test to complete, got back home, been more than 3 hours, no response from the terminal....anyway i can check if its done or not?
[18:08] <holstein> carognaverde: i have only used the GUI.. the hard disk tool that runs those tests
[18:08] <holstein> carognaverde: i would go to tty and see if the system is locked up or not
[18:10] <carognaverde> tty answered /dev/pts/1
[18:10] <holstein> tty answered?
[18:10] <holstein> can you switch to a tty and login?
[18:11] <carognaverde> (really dunno what it is) i typed tty in the terminal and thats what came back\
[18:11] <holstein> !tty
[18:11] <holstein> though, if you are getting a response, its not "frozen"
[18:11] <holstein> i would use a GUI tool
[18:12] <holstein> i would not waste time on other tools though, if you have another hard drive, just try it
[18:13] <Sysi> running in TTY might be better than GUI terminal
[18:13] <holstein> im talking about the GUI hard disk tool..
[18:14] <Sysi> it's just frontend to those command line tools, but might be worth trying
[18:14] <holstein> but, running it from tty would be a nice idea too.. more "stable"
[18:41] <carognaverde> every time i reboot i loose all the commands/info to solve my problem...anyway can somebody  suggest me a good way to check the health of my hard disk (that wont install xubuntu?) for those who don't know, I'm on xubuntu live
[18:50] <carognaverde> lxubuntu live keeps mounting my drive while im trying to check the drive with gtparted
[18:50] <carognaverde> somebody suggested a command earlier that really worked
[19:27] <xubuntu390> hi all
[19:27] <bgardner> Hello
[19:27] <xubuntu390> where i am ?
[19:28] <bgardner> You are in #xubuntu
[19:28] <xubuntu390> and what i can to do here ?
[19:28] <th0r> xubuntu390: not troll
[19:28] <knome> !hi | xubuntu390
[19:29] <xubuntu390> im not trolling. im currently installing my xubuntu 1304
[19:29] <xubuntu390> red nicknames its bots ?
[19:29] <xubuntu390> or admins ?
[19:30] <xubuntu390> i need some help
[19:30] <bgardner> xubuntu390: You haven't actually asked a support question yet.
[19:31] <xubuntu390> i cant play world of tanks on my xubuntu
[19:31] <xubuntu390> im using wine
[19:31] <xubuntu390> but in need libs
[19:31] <xubuntu390> i donw know how to install it
[19:31] <xubuntu390> dont*
[19:32] <xubuntu390> anybody speaking russian ?
[19:32] <xubuntu390> what a heck ?
[19:32] <xubuntu390> русские есть?
[19:33] <Pici> !ru
[19:33] <xubuntu390> !кг
[19:33] <xubuntu390> спасибо
[19:33] <th0r> if it walks like a troll, and talks like a troll....
[19:34] <xubuntu390> what a troll ?
[19:34] <xubuntu390> im using *nix first time
[19:34] <xubuntu390> okay
[19:34] <xubuntu390> bye
[19:35] <Pici> xubuntu390: #ubuntu-ru has russian speaking users
[19:57] <SoMany> I've successfully setup an FTPS server with proftpd on xubuntu. Would anyone be so kind as to check it out?
[21:00] <xubuntu270> hi, is it possible install xubuntu 13 like application to win XP? I tried install to virtual disk but no success
[21:00] <Sysi> you can use virtualbox or vmware player
[21:03] <xubuntu270> ok. i started win xp. start virtualize_this_key from usb. stoped virtualBox. created virtual disk.
[21:05] <xubuntu270> strat virtualize_this_key and this crashed. do you mean to install virtualBox on PC a start from usb ubuntu and install
[21:05] <xubuntu270> ?
[21:07] <Sysi> install virtualbox to XP  and install xubuntu from .iso image mounted to virtualbox's virtual disk drive, creating virtual disk for xubuntu
[21:08] <Sysi> you need to have 1,5GB or more ram for really doing that though
[21:08] <xubuntu270> ok. thx. last version installed like application without virtualBox.
[21:09] <Sysi> well, there's wubi but using xubuntu with it is not directly supported anymore
[21:09] <Sysi> you need to install (minimal) ubuntu ans then xubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <xubuntu270> ok. i will do it. thanks
[21:59] <Mikhail> so whats going on
[21:59] <Guest37284> this its my first time using xubuntu
[23:07] <nagev> How do I get to the password manager / seahorse in Xubuntu?  It doesn't seem to be installed by default.  Is there a password manager?
[23:07] <nagev> using 13.04
[23:50] <chunkin> hello all
[23:50] <knome> !hi | chunkin
[23:51] <chunkin> I have  a little question that google was not very helpful with
[23:51] <chunkin> is there anyway to get a global menu (like in unity) in xfce?
[23:53] <chunkin> no help?
[23:53] <pleia2> chunkin: perhaps describe what a global menu is? (we're xfce users, we don't use unity)
[23:54] <brainwashed> chunkin: there is a panel plugin to realize the global menu functionality, but it's not maintained anymore
[23:54] <chunkin> ok, well its the menus like file, edit and that stuff
[23:54] <chunkin> but its not on the window itself
[23:54] <chunkin> it is at the top
[23:54] <chunkin> brainwashed: dows it still work with xubuntu 13.04?
[23:55] <brainwashed> like in mac os
[23:55] <chunkin> yeah
[23:55] <chunkin> like mac
[23:56] <brainwashed> found it
[23:56] <brainwashed> https://launchpad.net/~the-warl0ck-1989/+archive/xfce-appmenu-plugin
[23:56] <brainwashed> sadly no packages for quantal or newer
[23:58] <chunkin> will older versions still work?
[23:58] <chunkin> this says its for gnome 2 though
[23:58] <brainwashed> http://gtk-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/146102-1.png
[23:59] <nagev> why would you want the app menu at the top of the display? It doesn't make sense to me and it's less productive as the mouse needs to be moved further.  It's another Ubuntu design failure!
[23:59] <brainwashed> haven't tried it
[23:59] <chunkin> im making a mac clone for a friend
[23:59] <pleia2> nagev: people have different preferences
[23:59] <chunkin> to introduce into linux
[23:59] <chunkin> she has only ever used mac
[23:59] <nagev> fair enough.
[23:59] <chunkin> k gtg


[01:03] <keijo_> !fi
[02:24] <xubuntu162> E aí galera blz?
[02:24] <xubuntu162> estou terminando de instalar o Xubuntu aqui
[02:24] <xubuntu162> =)
[03:21] <SunStar> how to i install b43-fwcutter from USB install disk if the machine has no network access or an optical drive?
[04:35] <doc|home> I'm using a shimian achieva as a second screen and getting http://www.skynet.ie/~doc/example.jpg. My xorg.conf is http://pastebin.com/tWzJNXV1 and logs are http://pastebin.com/iEZuDwwr Logs should give useful info, but I've no idea how to fix it. Any ideas?
[04:36] <holstein> doc|home: different driver or different hardware
[04:36] <doc|home> holstein: why do you say that?
[04:36] <doc|home> these are the official nvidia drivers with an nvidia card
[04:36] <holstein> doc|home: those are ideas that i feel would address the situation
[04:36] <doc|home> the card is capable of driving it
[04:37] <holstein> doc|home: yet, it is not.. so you might want to consider other hardware
[04:37] <doc|home> holstein: based on experience?
[04:37] <holstein> doc|home: sure
[04:37] <doc|home> you've seen this before?
[04:37] <holstein> doc|home: you didnt get "works with linux" promise with any of that hardware
[04:38] <holstein> doc|home: i have not seen that *exactly* before.. but i saw you post it before
[04:38] <doc|home> ok, that doesn't mean it's a hardware problem
[04:38] <holstein> doc|home: i didnt mean to imply it was
[04:39] <doc|home> ok, that#s how it reads
[04:39] <holstein> doc|home: what i meant to imply was, a differernt driver could support the hardware more appropriately for what you are doing, and a different piece of hardware might have out-of-the-box-support
[04:39] <holstein> doc|home: i suggested this the other day... i usualy try a knoppix live CD on problematic hardware, and grab the xorg.conf from there if i can get the desktop working as i want
[06:03] <nasir> cannot sign in into skype. help
[06:05] <SunStar> what exactly is going on?
[06:05] <SunStar> error message? crash? forgotten password?
[06:06] <cfhowlett> nasir, no details, no help ...
[06:07] <cfhowlett> !details|nasir,
[06:07] <cfhowlett> clearn
[06:07] <cfhowlett> clear
[06:07] <knome> cfhowlett, come on, get your act together :P
[06:08] <cfhowlett> knome, keyboard tourette's syndrom
[06:09] <nasir> when i try to sign in, i loads for a long time and says skype cannot connect. xubuntu version 13.04. download from ubuntu software center
[06:10] <cfhowlett> nasir, has skyped worked before?
[06:10] <nasir> nope
[06:10] <nasir> never worked
[06:10] <nasir> same stuff always
[06:11] <cfhowlett> nasir, open a terminal and type "skype"   without quotes.  note any error messages that return
[06:12] <cfhowlett> nasir, also, and no offense intended, what country are you attempting connection from.  I'm in China and LOTS of stuff gets blocked in the exact manner you describe.
[06:13] <nasir> am in ghana. they donot block the internet here.
[06:13] <nasir> am connect as we chat. will give u updates as it happens
 same problem
[06:33] <cfhowlett> nasir, error messages?
[06:33] <nasir> skype cannot sign in
[06:33] <cfhowlett> nasir, nothing more than that from the terminal?
[06:34] <nasir> nothing came from the terminal. it only opened skype and i tried to login. the terminal had nothing other than what i typed
[06:35] <cfhowlett> nasir, so skype DID start then.  you just couldn't login.  sounds like a password/username issue.  try making a new account and testing it
[06:36] <nasir> ok. but when i went to skype.com, i sign in without problems. do i still have to create another account?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> nasir, first try this to clear out possible settings issue.
[06:37] <nasir> ok
[06:37] <cfhowlett> nasir, go to home, display your hidden folders and delete .Skype
[06:38] <nasir> ok
[06:38] <cfhowlett> nasir, then reboot and restart skype.  If this fixes things, you'll have to do the set up again
[06:41] <vytaL> I'm probably just an idiot but does fusion-icon not work anymore?
[08:00] <nikolam> I am sick and tired of seeing lsb_release Ubuntu internal error popping up from day 1 on Xubuntu 12.04 LTS 32-bit ...
[08:12] <zipy> hi, why isnt ctrl + t bound to terminal in xubuntu and how can i change it
[08:14] <Sysi> Ctrl T is "new tab" in applications like webbrowser, you can edit application shortcuts like that in keyboard settings
[13:06] <basiclaser> xubuntu so beautiful :O
[13:06] <GridCube> :D
[13:06]  * GridCube highfives basiclaser
[13:07] <bgardner> basiclaser: True story.
[13:16] <basiclaser> does the XFCE have anything in common with openbox? they feel very similar
[13:34] <SharkMuttleworth> I don't think so
[15:17] <PETRUCCIANI> Hi, can someone help me? I want to add skype and other ecternel programms on my xubuntu's panel. How can make i that?
[15:18] <Sysi> drag from menu
[15:18] <PETRUCCIANI> not worked
[15:20] <holstein> right click "add to panel"
[15:21] <PETRUCCIANI> have no this option
[15:23] <holstein> PETRUCCIANI: what operating system are you using?
[15:24] <PETRUCCIANI> Xubuntu 13.04
[15:24] <PETRUCCIANI> I'v just installed today
[15:24] <PETRUCCIANI> :)
[15:25] <holstein> PETRUCCIANI: i would say, just relax then, and get used to the system.. maybe try moving icons arouns and experiementing with the guest account
[15:26] <PETRUCCIANI> hm...
[15:26] <PETRUCCIANI> ok
[15:26] <PETRUCCIANI> 10x
[15:26] <PETRUCCIANI> :)
[15:28] <PETRUCCIANI> Hey, I found it! :)
[15:28] <PETRUCCIANI> But for me is difficult to explain on english. :(
[15:31] <knome> PETRUCCIANI, what's your native language? there are local community channels who are also able to help
[15:31] <PETRUCCIANI> there are only some peaople
[15:31] <PETRUCCIANI> people
[15:31] <PETRUCCIANI> i'm bulgarian
[15:31] <PETRUCCIANI> :)
[15:31] <knome> !bg | PETRUCCIANI
[15:32] <knome> you tried that channel=
[15:32] <knome> ?
[15:32] <PETRUCCIANI> yeah, i know it
[15:32] <knome> okay
[15:32] <PETRUCCIANI> i have found
[15:32] <PETRUCCIANI> I have add a launcher
[15:33] <PETRUCCIANI> and then in the launcher's options
[15:33] <PETRUCCIANI> have i set to skype
[15:33] <PETRUCCIANI> :)
[15:33] <PETRUCCIANI> it is not so easy, but work!
[15:33] <PETRUCCIANI> :)
[15:34] <PETRUCCIANI> bye guyes!
[17:37] <ner0x> Is there a way to install xubuntu 13.04 on a machine with only a cd-drive and no usb option?
[17:37] <ner0x> Possibly network or smaller installation cd? Current only fits on a dvd, correct?
[17:38] <knome> ner0x, is this not an option? http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/
[17:39] <ner0x> knome: Actually I was just reading that. :)
[17:39]  * ner0x tinkers away.
[17:57] <genii> Probably the minimal iso then install xubuntu desktop after you get command line
[18:11] <Sysi> (does it have to be 13.04 or could 12.04 with backports kernel do the job)
[19:21] <[0gb_us]> What is the argument you pass to killall to have it only nicely ask the processes to shut down? The argument I'm thinking of tells killall to send the same signal as control + c on the command line. Is it "-9"?
[19:23] <Sysi> no, AFAIK just using killall does the same as ctrl c, -9 is force kill
[19:24] <[0gb_us]> Last time I used killall without an argument, it terminated the process while saving data, corrupting it. I forget what argument I had to add to the script to prevent that, but I know I needed one.
[19:27] <[0gb_us]> Found it. It's "-2".
[19:30] <SunStar> good to know
[20:00] <Brigad> any french here?
[20:00] <Sysi> you can ask about xubuntu in #ubuntu-fr too
[20:01] <Brigad> thx!
[20:03] <basiclaser> Brigad: je peux t'aider si t'es la toujours
[20:15] <danjg> Does anyone know how to fix this?       intel_do_flush_locked failed: Input/output error
[20:16] <[0gb_us]> Hmm. No idea. It sounds like a processor error. DO you have an Intel processor?
[20:16] <[0gb_us]> *Do
[20:16] <bekks> danjg: Take a look at dmesg. Sounds like defective hardware.
[20:16] <SunStar> that smells of hardware failure danjg
[20:17] <Sysi> breaking hard drive possibly
[20:17] <danjg> I think it has to do with the graphics card
[20:17] <bekks> danjg: Why?
[20:19] <SunStar> disable onboard graphics and use something else?
[20:20] <danjg> Because I asked the  app's support why the app was crashing and they said it was a graphics card driver problem.
[20:21] <danjg> how to disable onboard graphics?
[20:21] <Sysi> run the app from terminal and see if you get some error
[20:21] <danjg> I did, and that was the error
[20:22] <bekks> And what was the entire output?
[20:23] <danjg> http://paste.openstack.org/show/41622/
[20:24] <Sysi> it seems mesa often gives that error, might be gpu as mentioned
[20:24] <bekks> Seems like irrlicht just does not support the intel graphics driver correctly. Which is no wonder, actually. :)
[20:25] <bekks> Thats not a hardware/driver for gaming.
[20:25] <Sysi> you maybe should try older ubuntu version, or maybe they just won't support your gpu
[20:26] <danjg> 12.04 didn't work either, so I would have to go to an unsupported version
[20:27] <danjg> so it's unfixable?
[20:31] <bekks> danjg: Changing the version will not fix that hardware.
[20:41] <SunStar> changing the hardware is the solution to this problem. that intel GPU just isnt ment to opengl gaming its mostly for windows aero and HD video
[20:42] <bekks> Its mostly for getting the Windows Aero Logo - not actually using it :D
[21:24] <Brigad> hi, u know how can i download a video and sound on youtube or youwatch?
[21:25] <Unit193> Firefox+downloadhelper.
[21:25] <[0gb_us]> You need to install Flash, probably.
[21:25] <[0gb_us]> OH! Sorry, I misunderstood the question.
[21:25] <Brigad> it s impossible with a sh script?
[21:25] <Brigad> with the tmp files??
[21:27] <xubuntu777> Why is the installer use 5 or 10 minutes more then normal sometimes ? Cud it be something wrong ? it still works fine.
[21:28] <knome> xubuntu777, if you don't notice anything being broken, it's not broken.
[21:28] <[0gb_us]> It downloads things from the network, so network speed may slow down the installer.
[21:28] <knome> [0gb_us], if you've selected it to do so, then yes
[21:29] <Sysi> if you're using different machines, lowmem ones might use swap and be slow
[21:30] <[0gb_us]> knome, even when I tell the Xubuntu installer NOT to download from the network, it does it anyway.
[21:31] <knome> [0gb_us], just unplug ;)
[21:31] <[0gb_us]> I could do that I suppose.
[22:14] <namepie> hi