[20:44] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 675 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue675 :D
[21:43] <krytarik> I'm not sure draft release notes is something we should include in the newsletter..
[21:45] <krytarik> The Other Articles bullet-point list needs fixing.
[21:45] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well, my thought was notification that the release was comming :(
[21:47] <krytarik> Same with the inserted "Media Attention" one in the Canonical list - also I think it should be "Media attention"
[21:47] <krytarik> And no empty line below of it either please.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Not at all sure of how I can do the "Media Attention" - Have have messed with it to look better.
[21:49] <krytarik> Shouldn't it work if you also just put an asterisk in front of it?
[21:50] <Bashing-om> lemme do so (again ?) and see if that corrects "media attention" insertion.
[21:53] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ^ yup - looks good :D Edits completed. less removing draft release notes . Ya want it gone ?
[21:54] <krytarik> We can wait for more opinions on that one.


[04:31] <Hobbes`> Anyone know which is the git repo corresponding to https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-source-4.15.0 ?
[04:31] <u-la-la> [ Ubuntu – Details of package linux-source-4.15.0 in xenial ] - packages.ubuntu.com


[03:15] <dbrass> I would have a general question about the kernel supports in ubuntu touch for the LG Nexus 5. From my understanding, UT is using android's kernel with an abstraction layer. With kernel 4.9 addind mainline support for the LG Nexis 5, would it be possible to run UT on the mainline kernel without the abstraction layer? Would it be possible to run a kernel without patches from the SOC manufacturer?
[05:52] <sakrecoer> hi, i just insterted a second SIM in my bq e5 with the latest OTA. the sim is detected, i can enter pin. but it wont register.
[05:53] <sakrecoer> my first sim was actualy insterted in slot 2
[05:53] <sakrecoer> but with 2 SIM it only register the card in slot 1
[05:53] <sakrecoer> it worked for both once for about 5 minutes...
[05:53] <sakrecoer> worked for both *slots once for about 5 minutes.
[05:54] <sakrecoer> websearch gives very poor info about dual sim usecase.
[05:54] <sakrecoer> my IMEI is all good...
[05:54] <sakrecoer> both of them...
[05:54] <sakrecoer> i haven't done any changes to the phone, except OTA upgrades..
[05:55] <sakrecoer> if i swap the sims they register to their respective networks, but only slot one does..
[05:55] <sakrecoer> any idea how i could trouble shoot this?
[05:56] <sakrecoer> i get the sensation that the second slot has no access to antena, because it finds 0 providers...
[06:05] <sakrecoer> eh...classic case of 'ask the question and it automagically' solves... although, it says i'm on roaming while i am clearly registered to the correct network...
[06:56] <simon_> hii
[07:00] <simon_> testing ubuntu  phone nexus pass code is entering it self and locking me out
[07:01] <simon_> for 5 minutes happening 3 times today
[07:07] <anpok> simon_: we have seen that happen sometimes - but we have not enough clues to figure out how to detect that.. and then in the kernel and maybe restart the touchscreens..
[07:09] <simon_> touch has been crappy  for a few days todays update made it worse with the auto password getting entered and locking me out 5 minutes
[07:10] <simon_> i may have to go to stable for a bit till yhis is fixed
[07:11] <anpok> so you think this is related to a recent update?
[07:11] <anpok> please make a bug report ..
[07:12] <anpok> you are on rc-proposed?
[07:12] <simon_> well ive been usung phone and updating dayly for months this is first time ive seen this issue
[07:12] <simon_> rc-proposed nexus 4
[07:13] <simon_> nexus 4 rc proposed
[07:13] <anpok> ok .. will try that
[07:14] <simon_> yes rc-proposed
[07:16] <simon_> installing 559 now ill see ill test phone tommorow maybe hardware prob
[09:29] <javier4__> #eliteBNC
[11:35] <kaisoz> hi there
[12:34] <Tm_T> hello hello
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:44] <BabyMax> can i have help installing touch on my phone
[16:44] <dobey> !devices | BabyMax
[16:44] <ubot5`> BabyMax: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> BabyMax, hmmm so computer nad phone at once?
[16:45] <BabyMax> it wont open
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> was just messaging with you in #ubuntu about computer
[16:46] <Maxaroth> ya
[16:46] <Maxaroth> i really do like ubuntu
[16:46] <Maxaroth> but i did have one question about ubuntu touch befour i install it
[16:47] <dobey> ask it then
[16:47] <Maxaroth> can i still use android applications?
[16:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, which phone?
[16:48] <dobey> no
[16:48] <Maxaroth> oh
[16:48] <dobey> you cannot run android apps on ubuntu phone
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, and no Ubuntu Touch does not support  Android apps, there are other Linux based alternative mobile osees that do though
[16:48] <Maxaroth> um lg H345 leon
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't thinik you can currently
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> unless someone has done a port
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for that phone
[16:48] <Maxaroth> well android is linux pased
[16:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I don't think they have
[16:48] <Maxaroth> k
[16:49] <Maxaroth> ill probably wait till it is
[16:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, Android is different
[16:49] <Maxaroth> yeah
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  dobey yeah Ubuntu touch suicks big time, since it won't support Android apps.  I am joking :)
[16:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu Touch is awesome for what it is :)
[16:50] <Maxaroth> yeah i...
[16:50] <Maxaroth> ooh can i use ubuntu touck in an virtual machine?
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no don't think so, but may be a sort of emulater ou there or not
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Maxaroth, if you run the Ubuntu 16.10
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Unity 8 session
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well there you go
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you got something that's similar to Ubuntu touch
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but you'll need a graphics card that works, for that to even work
[16:52] <Maxaroth> yeah i have looked at it a few times
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's like that
[16:52] <Maxaroth> my main monitor for some reason detects as a touchpad
[16:52] <davmor2> Maxaroth: you can run unity8 desktop session
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, yep as I just put
[16:52] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hadn't got that far
[17:05] <seth_> Is there a simple way to get xenial on turbo? I've tried the to use the devel-proposed channel, but I don't see the device listed
[17:09] <seth_> 2016/10/28 13:08:59 Device is |turbo| Device turbo not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu.en
[17:10] <seth_> ubuntu-device-flash query --device=turbo --list-channels does not list a devel/16.04 channel
[17:14] <dobey> devel-proposed is yakkety (or maybe zesty now) anyway, not xenial
[17:14] <dobey> no, there's currently no way to install 16.04 on a phone
[17:17] <seth_> Thanks dobey. Let me show you what I was looking at that made me think that I could.
[17:18] <seth_> Development (proposed channels)  Automatically built images from the latest devel series (currently ubuntu/xenial). This is the channel is to be used by developers for system development purposes only, absolutely no guarantee of stability.  ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu   Devel channel with the community custom tarball
[17:18] <seth_> from this link: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/image-channels/
[17:19] <dobey> yes, someone hasn't updated that in a long time
[17:19] <davmor2> seth_: old info at the time of writing it was correct
[17:20] <davmor2> seth_: note the currently it moved on to yakkety and now onto zesty
[17:20] <dobey> even if you could install xenial on your phone, you wouldn't want to right now.
[17:22] <seth_> Are yakkety and zesty installable even if they're not quite usable?
[17:22] <dobey> devel-proposed is "installable" sure
[17:22] <dobey> but afaik doesn't boot
[17:23] <dobey> for turbo you need the -pd channel i think
[17:23] <dobey> meizu-pd.en
[17:24] <seth_> interesting
[17:24] <seth_> thanks.
[17:24] <dobey> but like i said, i don't think it even boots, and if it does somehow manage to boot, there's very little you could actually do with it at the moment
[17:25] <dobey> there's no benefit to installing that instead of the stable or rc-proposed channel
[17:25] <seth_> I get this when I try: ubuntu-device-flash touch --device=turbo --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu-pd.en WARNING You are about to flash your phone with a development image - continue at your own risk! There is absolutely no guarantee that even the most basic phone functions will work. 2016/10/28 13:24:22 Device is |turbo| Channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/meizu-pd.en not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com
[17:25] <seth_> well, there are some specific bug fixes that are patched in bluez that I've been trying to resolve
[17:25] <dobey> oh the -pd channels don't have devel-proposed
[17:26] <seth_> I updated the latest firmware from meizu and built them into the system.img
[17:26] <dobey> what specific bug fixes? afaik anything that would affect our phones should have also gone into the stable or rc-proposed channels
[17:26] <seth_> and when that didn't work, I thought, let me try a later version just as mindless troubleshooting
[17:28] <seth_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1539158 #29
[17:28] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1539158 in bluez (Ubuntu) "Unable to pair with in-car hands-free system after OTA-9 update" [High,Confirmed]
[17:28] <seth_> it's a pair problem
[17:28] <seth_> there
[17:28] <seth_> but
[17:29] <dobey> iirc, that update was before turbo was released, and when we switched to bluez5
[17:29] <seth_> Several people are reporting similar problems, however the main bug that I'll copy in a moment is when bluetooth switches to headset for a call, everything is garbled
[17:30] <seth_> the same headsets work fine with the MX4
[17:30] <seth_> it seems to be just a turbo thing, that's why I built a new system.img initially
[17:30] <dobey> with the same version of ubuntu?
[17:30] <davmor2> seth_: known issue on mx5
[17:31] <dobey> well the turbo is different hardware
[17:31] <seth_> yeah, I've seen it discussed a lot that's why I wanted to help
[17:32] <seth_> I tried "new" bcm.bin files from meizu
[17:32] <seth_> so I'm scratching my head thinking about what to try next
[17:33] <dobey> ok, so you don't know that a newer bluez actually has fixes for the bugs
[17:33] <seth_> interestingly enough it seems that the new modem.bin provides different behavior as well
[17:34] <seth_> correct, I don't know. I just want to try and test and report back
[17:35] <seth_> the old modem.bin didn't appear to be for turbo, it has the signature of being for the mx4.
[17:36] <seth_> I've been trying to find out what's been going on with a modem issue and the bluetooth issue so there's been some overlap
[17:40] <seth_> the old modem.bin gives me:  Revision = S333_M86_20151002_CHNOPEN_MZ024 versus Revision = S333_M86_20160406_CHNOPEN_MZ036
[17:41] <seth_> from what I've seen MZ024 is MX4 and MZ036 is Pro 5. Sorry to dump all this. I'm about to get on a flight and just wanted to jot a few things down and ask about running 16.04. I appreciate the feedback
[17:42] <seth_> so I started thinking that the drivers for the bluetooth might be off too, but they didn't fix the problem
[18:26] <pasko_> Hello. I'm thinking about buying an Ubuntu Tablet. Is it possible to get root access in these devices? Thanx
[18:31] <dobey> you can do whatever you want with it, yes
[18:32] <mcphail> pasko_: afaik, you have root on all Ubuntu devices
[18:32] <dobey> but why do you need root?
[18:32] <k1l_> iirc most users have a wrong conception of root from the iOS or Android usage of the term.
[18:32] <pasko_> I've spent the afternnon reading about it and most of them say that root partition is mounted read-only.
[18:32] <dobey> yes it is
[18:33] <dobey> and you shouldn't change it to not be readonly, really
[18:33] <k1l_> pasko_: you can make that writeable if you want. but the system is similar to android update system. which works best if you dont change the system stuff.
[18:33] <pasko_> Because in this case I would stop atuomatic updates, right?
[18:34] <dobey> the root partition is not the full size of the storage chip. there isn't a lot of room to do anything in the root fs
[18:34] <k1l_> it doesnt use apt but uses click packages. btw, is there a plan if and when it will change to snaps?
[18:35] <k1l_> pasko_: you still get updates, but its not sure if the update will work if the base system is changed too much. that is the point why one should leave it ro.
[18:35] <dobey> if you want to install traditional apps, you can do it via a libertine container
[18:35] <pasko_> ok. Thank you. Now I get it.
[18:36] <pasko_> Also, I would like to use openvpn client, firefox (which I know is installed) and a regular terminal app with ssh client. Are openvpn and terminal available?
[18:36] <dobey> yes
[18:37] <dobey> you can set up an openvpn in the network settings
[18:37] <pasko_> Cool.
[18:40] <pasko_> I think I'll order one. Extrange thing is that the Ubuntu version is €10 more expensive than the regular Android version....
[18:40] <pasko_> Anybody knows why?
[18:44] <dobey> bq sets the prices, not ubuntu. guess you'd have to ask them
[18:54] <pasko_> ok, thanks
[23:58] <JanC> seems like my phone (bq E4.5) spontaneously reboots some time after using the hotspot feature for some time...
[23:59] <k1l> overheating?


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[05:37] <mlankhorst> morning
[05:49] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Good morning.
[06:02] <Sarvatt> RAOF, mlankhorst: good morning you crazy time zone people guys :)
[06:02] <mlankhorst> hah!
[12:57] <swelogan>  Hi, new here. I have some problems with my touchscreen. I get data from ttyS4 and when i run Calib. I can here "beeb" sound when i touch the point. But when i am finish it says: Base Point Data: 3968 128. And then "Can't find a touch screen"


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[07:31] <vorlon> therion needs its arch-indep build fixed; after that libgeotiff2 uninstallability can be forced, and the proj transition will be done
[07:56] <vorlon> ah, the therion build failure is preexisting, and looks like it's related to the imagemagick vs pdf changes last cycle.  I'll go ahead and remove it from the release pocket to let the transition through
[15:55] <ginggs> would someone please hint http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/sagetex/focal/armhf ? sagemath has been removed on armhf (linbox ftbfs there)
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[20:26] <vorlon> ginggs: done
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[02:48] <lifeless> I'm off to pick up tickets
[02:48] <lifeless> if lp crashes, sms me and I'll get to a starbucks etc asap.
[05:30] <mpt_> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:27] <lifeless> jamesh: your review is aging
[06:27] <lifeless> spiv: your reviews need love
[07:13] <stub> Do I recall something about other people getting spurious failures with pagetests/soyuz/26-queue-pages.txt when submitting to PQM?
[07:14] <spiv> stub: matsubara had that.
[07:14] <spiv> stub: It made no obvious sense I could see late on a Friday night.
[07:15] <spiv> He posted to the list asking for ideas after I ran out of suggestions for him, no replies yet.
[07:16] <spiv> There's some funny business with SQLObject going on in database/queue.py, but I can't see how it would cause the problem.
[07:19] <stub> I'm getting it consistantly - 5 submit requests, five faillures. Only changes on that branch are the session machinery, which might affect page tests.
[07:20] <spiv> matsubara's changes were in CoC stuff, and were also totally consistent.
[07:20] <spiv> (i.e. repeated failures).
[07:20] <spiv> I wonder if a totally trivial change can merge atm?
[07:21] <stub> pagetests passing locally...
[07:21] <stub> Got a trivial change lying around?
[07:22] <stub> Heh.... *mine* is trivial
[07:24] <spiv> Heh.
[08:27] <mantas_> hi all
[08:48] <SteveA> morning
[08:49] <lifeless> morning
[09:04] <carlos> morning
[09:19] <lifeless> SteveA: ping
[09:19] <SteveA> hi
[09:21] <lifeless> you suggested a second bzr talk
[09:21] <lifeless> and offered to propose it at europython.
[09:21] <lifeless> have you done that? If not, we can put one forward in an hour or so
[09:21] <lifeless> With me and you as presenters
[09:21] <SteveA> u have not done so
[09:22] <SteveA> please do
[09:22] <lifeless> ok, consider it done
[09:22] <lifeless> should I make you primary author? [will the system let me do that ?]
[09:24] <SteveA> sure, if the system will allow
[09:24] <lifeless> ok
[09:27] <janimo> carlos: hello. There is a new translation .po file for the xfce file manager, is it too late to get it in dapper?
[09:28] <janimo> I got it mailed privately by an upstream translator
[09:29] <carlos> hmm, I think it's too late if we use language packs done today
[09:29] <carlos> janimo: you would need to check it with pitti
[09:29] <carlos> janimo: anyway, it will appear next month
[09:29] <ddaa> Hello, I'm back.
[09:29] <carlos> with the language pack update
[09:30] <janimo> carlos: oh so it can be imported just not make dapper?
[09:30] <janimo> that's ok as well
[09:30] <carlos> janimo: yeah, it can be imported
[09:30] <janimo> carlos: ok thanks. Can I do it via LP? Package thunar language ro
[09:31] <janimo> this is a new po
[09:31] <carlos> hmm, no, an Ubuntu translator should do it for you (I will fix that soon)
[09:31] <carlos> I mean a Romanian Ubuntu translator
[09:31] <janimo> carlos: Ok I'll ask them
[09:31] <carlos> janimo: if it comes from upstream, send me the file and I will do it for you
[09:32] <janimo> carlos: what email address?
[09:32] <carlos> janimo: if it doesn't come from upstream, you should not upload anything yourself, the translation team should do it to prevent any translation problem
[09:32] <carlos> janimo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:32] <janimo> carlos: it comes from the official xfce romanian translator guy
[09:34] <carlos> I will do the upload then
[09:34] <carlos> as coming from upstream
[09:35] <janimo> carlos: sent
[09:35] <carlos> janimo: ok, thanks
[10:01] <carlos> stub: hi, could you execute on production the SQL command I sent on Saturday to remove OO.org imports ?
[10:33] <ddaa> SteveA: jamesh: spiv: mpool: lifeless: meeting in 26 mins
[11:02] <ddaa> SteveA: jamesh: spiv: mpool: lifeless: well, actually, it was "meeting in 1 hour and 26 mins". Now 57 minutes, confused by change in meeting time.
[11:42] <ddaa> SteveA: jamesh: spiv: mpool: lifeless: meeting in 7 minutes
[11:42] <ddaa> he
[11:42] <ddaa> meeting in 17 minutes
[12:05] <spiv> lifeless: just one outstanding, I'll do it v. soon...
[12:10] <mpt> :)
[12:21] <lifeless> spiv: thanks. Your peak was 5 days, which given the weekend is 3, and still a bit many. Remember, a review a day, keeps the nagger away.
[12:37] <stub> buildd-slave-scanner.py is spamming me. Should I disable it or is someone working on it atm? ddaa?
[12:38] <stub> Erm... sorry. That isn't ddaa's toy
[12:39] <SteveA> stub: bank hols in the UK, so no soyuz folk around
[12:58] <lifeless> review meeting in 1 minute
[01:00] <lifeless> ok, role call
[01:00] <SteveA> i'll be the butler
[01:00] <jamesh> I'm here
[01:01] <lifeless> SteveA: in the library
[01:01] <SteveA> with the washboard
[01:01] <spiv> SteveA: Is this "Cluedo: The 'Who played that tune?'" edition? ;)
[01:02] <lifeless> ok
[01:02] <lifeless>     *
[01:02] <lifeless>       Next meeting
[01:02] <lifeless>     *
[01:02] <lifeless>       Queue status.
[01:03] <lifeless> same time and place ?
[01:03] <SteveA> if you copy from the "raw text" wiki page, you get better irc output
[01:03] <lifeless> the 5th june
[01:03] <SteveA> +1
[01:03] <lifeless> ok
[01:03] <lifeless> lets look at the queue
[01:04] <lifeless> accounting for the weekend, needs-review has one on 2 days, and 2 on 1 day
[01:04] <lifeless> this is healthy. *but*...
[01:05] <lifeless> this morning there were three on 5 days IIRC.
[01:06] <lifeless> which is 3 on 3 days. Our goal is a 48 hour turnaround - one day to allocate, one day to review.
[01:06] <jamesh> I'm part way through doing carlos' review
[01:06] <lifeless> jamesh: cool. that will keep it under 48 hours :)
[01:06] <lifeless> spiv: what went wrong with your queue last week ? too many reviews? too much other stuff ? were you getting one a day done ?
[01:08] <spiv> I forgot to check my review queue on Friday.
[01:08] <lifeless> ok
[01:08] <spiv> Which is probably a symptom of being busy with other things.
[01:08] <lifeless> do you have a daily 'todo list'
[01:08] <lifeless> I have one, written down.
[01:09] <lifeless> 'check email', 'assign reviews', 'do reviews'.
[01:09] <spiv> I have a tomboy todo list, but it's not daily as such.
[01:09] <lifeless> so, I have my tomboy list in parts:
[01:09] <lifeless> daily
[01:09] <lifeless> ----
[01:09] <lifeless> urgent
[01:09] <lifeless> ------
[01:10] <lifeless> other
[01:10] <lifeless> ----
[01:10] <spiv> That looks like a good categorisation.  I'll try that.
[01:10] <lifeless> I find it stops me forgetting about daily stuff
[01:10] <lifeless> ok, cool
[01:11] <lifeless> any other business ?
[01:12] <jamesh> the pending-reviews runs seem to have fairly consistant runtimes, so I can probably increase the frequency a bit more if that would be useful
[01:12] <lifeless> jamesh: can you make it print the *next* run date on the page ?
[01:12] <spiv> lifeless: One quick thing; just letting know Steve's asked me to do the review in his queue, as it's supposed to be a public holiday for him.
[01:12] <lifeless> jamesh: that is probably very useful.
[01:13] <lifeless> spiv: thanks
[01:13] <lifeless> I have one bit of new business
[01:13] <jamesh> lifeless: I could probably include the date when it'll *start* the next run, but that isn't quite the same as when the next set of results will be ready
[01:13] <lifeless> please be sure to note in the review how long it took.
[01:14] <lifeless> this is for understanding the workload reviews place on you
[01:14] <lifeless> has anyone done a pre-code design phone call yet ?
[01:14] <spiv> I haven't yet.
[01:14] <lifeless> jamesh: add the time this run took - should be close :)
[01:15] <jamesh> lifeless: sounds fair enough.
[01:16] <lifeless> ok, countdown to meeting over
[01:16] <lifeless> 5
[01:16] <lifeless> 4
[01:16] <lifeless> 2
[01:16] <lifeless> -1
[01:17] <lifeless> -meeting ends-
[01:17] <lifeless> thanks for coming
[01:26] <cprov> good morning
[01:26] <SteveA> hi cprov
 buildd-slave-scanner.py is spamming me. Should I disable it or is someone working on it atm?
[01:27] <stub> I was going to bounce the systems on drescher once the current publishing run had finished, but I'll leave it up to cprov now ;)
[01:28] <cprov> stub: uhm .. why is it spamming you ?
[01:28] <stub> Because I'm subscribed to too many error reports topics, and it is dying because it can't create a lock file. Every thirty seconds or so.
[01:31] <cprov> stub: I'll stop and fix it
[01:48] <cprov> stub: fixed
[01:49] <stub> Anything that might repeat and I need to be aware of?
[01:51] <cprov> stub: not really, during my debugging adam has restarted it and it worked, the lockfile wasn't there anyway.
[01:52] <cprov> SteveA: have you seen malcolm today ?
[01:56] <cprov> stub: SteveA, about the soyuz/26-.., It fails in different pages, each time you report it, does it makes sense to you ? Anyway, I'm updating it to testbrowser, so you can help me to debug the problem.
[02:02] <stub> cprov: My failures were consistently on line 112
[02:03] <stub> I don't know about matsubara's or anyone elses
[02:04] <stub> always expecting the alsa-utils entry to fail but getting success instead
[02:07] <cprov> stub: yes, matsubara had other, IIRC
[02:07] <stub> Hmm...
[02:07] <cprov> stub: I've experienced that before, need to accept alsa twice before it
[02:08] <cprov> stub: even if I've added a check in the queue state machine to raise an error if you try to same status again.
[02:12] <cprov> stub: the queue state machine is __idempotent__, but if you duplicate the alsa-utils accept action, it won't fail and the rest will pass, could you check it locally for me ?
[02:13] <stub> Tests pass fine for me here - or did you want me to check for some other reason?
[02:13] <stub> PQM box had the trouble
[02:14] <cprov> stub: uhm, right, nevermind, the same here at this point, but I've really experienced what I described before in my local machine. Any clue ?
[02:16] <stub> Not really. I think we should rework the tests with the newer test infrastructure so they are easier to follow and less noisy and try to land. If it gets through PQM we can just wait until it dies again.
[02:17] <cprov> stub: it looked like one request simply wasn't commited (but I know it's a very simplistic approach to the problem ...)
[02:17] <stub> (and maybe it won't, indicating something odd going on with the old test machinery?)
[02:18] <cprov> stub: indeed, malcolm has it in place, I'm just waiting he shows up.
[02:36] <SteveA> cprov: malcolm won't be around today i expect
[02:36] <SteveA> cprov: it is a public holiday in the UK
[02:37] <stub> I doubt the test fix is a top priority (?)
[02:37] <cprov> SteveA: ohh, right, forgot it. I'll call him them. Thank you
[03:16] <kiko> bom giorno
[03:17] <kiko> cprov!
[03:17] <lifeless> bom bom
[03:17] <lifeless> night all
[03:17] <kiko> night lifeless
[03:18] <ddaa> crap!
[03:18] <ddaa> graaaaaah!
[03:18] <ddaa> baz-import test suite blocking cscvs merge AGAIN !!!!!11111111ONEoneONEoneONEoneONEoneONEone
[03:19] <cprov> kiko: hey
[03:21] <kiko> cprov, back already!
[03:21] <cprov> kiko: yup, plenty of TODO tasks, as expected
[04:01] <carlos> SteveA: hi
[04:01] <carlos> around?
[04:14] <SteveA> carlos: i'm around a little bit.
[04:15] <kiko> hey SteveA
[04:15] <kiko> thanks for handling the production firefighting over the weekend
[04:15] <carlos> SteveA: A user told me that he sees some translations getting the fuzzy flag from time to time
[04:16] <carlos> he fixes it and then, the fuzzy flag is restored (fuzzy = Needs review in our UI)
[04:16] <carlos> we don't track who changes it
[04:17] <carlos> but I guess we should do it, to track this kind of problems
[04:17] <carlos> until that's done, is there any way to debug it from apache's logs or any other kind of logs we have?
[04:18] <SteveA> in what ways can the fuzzy flag be changed?
[04:18] <SteveA> i mean, on what pages can it be changed?
[04:18] <SteveA> is it changed by other processing?
[04:18] <kiko> on the translation page itself
[04:19] <SteveA> as the translation page will be submitted with a POST, we do not keep the data that was posted
[04:19] <kiko> you mean the previous state?
[04:20] <SteveA> it may be possible to find something in the database logs
[04:20] <kiko> or, well, what?
[04:20] <kiko> ah.
[04:20] <kiko> I think carlos is asking about a Rosetta feature
[04:20] <kiko> more than debugging this specific instance
[04:20] <kiko> (right?)
[04:21] <carlos> SteveA: it's changed using the form
[04:21] <carlos> kiko: well, I'm going to implement at some point a feature to track those changes
[04:22] <kiko> right
[04:22] <carlos> kiko: I would want to debug it, if possible, to know if it's caused by an user changing it or a Rosetta bug
[04:22] <kiko> oh I see
[04:23] <carlos> I think it's a user, but sounds weird that someone is setting it and another is removing it...
[04:23] <carlos> more than once in the last month
[04:23] <kiko> stub, ping?
[04:24] <stub> kiko: pong
[04:24] <kiko> stub, given the production issues we're having, what is the forecast for production updates?
[04:24] <kiko> (in particular the shipit update, but other updates are also welcome)
[04:24] <SteveA> carlos: start just by adding simple log statements
[04:25] <SteveA> carlos: we can find those in the log files
[04:25] <stub> I was thinking tomorrow. Production issues don't change anything.
[04:25] <kiko> stub, well, they only change that ideally you have a steady state to be able to track down what is causing issues (if it goes away magically)
[04:25] <kiko> stub, but if you think it's not something to consider, then great. do you have a proposed revision, or are you taking suggestions?
[04:25] <carlos> SteveA: ok
[04:26] <stub> There is nothing to track down really - until it happens again we don't have leads
[04:26] <carlos> stub: didn't it happen again today?
[04:26] <stub> Which reminds me - stevea's patch needs to get put into rocketfuel
[04:26] <stub> carlos: Not that I'm aware.
[04:26] <kiko> stub, your modified version, hopefully :)
[04:26] <kiko> stub, happened this morning at 6:45 UTC I believe via launchpad mail
[04:27] <SteveA> i've asked jamesh to improve the patch as part of his signal-to-dump-state work
[04:27] <SteveA> so that we will be using OOPS-system-id and thread-index rather than thread-object-id
[04:27] <stub> I don't seem to have it. Did anyone get the request dumps?
[04:28] <kiko> SteveA?
[04:28] <SteveA> what is your question kiko?
[04:29] <SteveA> i did not restart production servers since early yesterday or so
[04:29] <SteveA> and i have mailed the launchpad list for each restart
[04:29] <kiko> oh was the yeah yeah mail a sunday mail?
[04:29] <SteveA> a saturday one i think
[04:30] <SteveA> and that prompted me to write the (flawed) patch to capture request data at the start of request processing
[04:30] <Kagou> hi
[04:30] <kiko> SteveA, sorry bout that. thanks for clarifying.
[04:30] <kiko> stub, so, do you have a proposed RF revision?
[04:30] <stub> kiko: Nope ;)
[04:30] <kiko> stub, okay, I'll give you some suggestions.
[04:31] <Kagou> is there anyone who have time to change or to explain me how to change the name of my specification (i made a mistake).
[04:31] <kiko> Kagou, certainly. what's the spec URL?
[04:32] <Kagou> kiko, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/vetselpatrice
[04:33] <Kagou> kiko, i made mistake on his name "vetselpatrice" ... "share informations" is better or what you want
[04:34] <kiko> Kagou, I'll change it for you. one moment.
[04:34] <Kagou> np
[04:35] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-information-sharing
[04:35] <kiko> you should update the link at
[04:35] <kiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SharingInformations
[04:37] <Kagou> kiko, done. Thanks
[04:38] <stub> kiko: r3611 might be scary. I'm thinking r3610 with r3614 cherry picked (the session change that is already live in production)
[04:42] <kiko> stub, what about your suggestion, r3613?
[04:42] <kiko> other than that I think I agree
[04:42] <kiko> I think it's worth testing the shipit patch
[04:44] <stub> kiko: Do  we know how often duplicate requests are a problem?
[04:44] <stub> kiko: I'm happy to put r3613 out too,
[04:45] <kiko> stub, they occur at least once a day, so I think it's worth it.
[04:45] <stub> ok. Didn't realize it was that often.
[04:45] <kiko> great, we have a deal then.
[04:45] <kiko> yeah, that's why I was trying to get it done earlier rather than later
[04:46] <stub> bradb: Is anyone going to cry if implicit bug contact subscriptions doesn't go out until next week?
[04:46] <bradb> stub: doubt it. they've already been without for a while.
[04:46] <kiko> crct
[04:47] <kiko> I just choked on a shred of beetroot!
[04:49] <ddaa> stub: is there any trick for rolling out launchpad ATM
[04:49] <ddaa> stub: or can I just build a 1.63-based config and roll that out to branch-scanner?
[04:50] <stub> ddaa: No tricks. production/1.63 is all up to date
[04:50] <ddaa> okay, thought there might have been a skew between rocketfuel and production zope or something
[04:50] <stub> ddaa: There was for a bit but I brought it back in sync on sunday
[04:51] <stub> oh - zope. Nope - not difference.
[04:53] <Kagou> cya
[05:04] <skippy_> how can I de-activate my Launchpad account so that i can re-create it using  a better name?
[05:04] <kiko> skippy_, you can just rename it. no need to deactivate.
[05:05] <skippy_> I didn't see how to rename it.
[05:05] <kiko> what's your url?
[05:06] <stub> kiko: Can we put off the rollout until post Gold release? mdz wants to avoid any variables delivering Ubuntu on schedule.
[05:06] <stub> Gold is Thursday.
[05:06] <kiko> stub, okay if you roll out the shipit patch by itself, yes.
[05:06] <kiko> stub, patch/patches
[05:06] <stub> Got a list of the important ones handy?
[05:06] <kiko> yes
[05:07] <stub> 3605...
[05:07] <stub> 3606
[05:08] <kiko> r3589, r3590, r3595, r3597, r3608, r3613, r3605
[05:09] <stub> Not 3606, 3608 & 3610?
[05:09] <kiko> those too
[05:11] <kiko> that's it
[05:12] <kiko> mdz just called me to make sure I understood that THIS ROLLOUT CAN NOT FAIL :)
[05:12] <stub> Ok. I'll build the production branch and roll out tomorrow at around 05:00 UTC
[05:12] <kiko> thanks stub
[05:12] <fabbione> kiko: consigliere...
[05:13] <stub> Should be no hassles unless someone snuck in a database patch in that set
[05:13] <fabbione> kiko: i can see you understood perfectly the message... :)
[05:13] <fabbione> kiko: this rollout will not fail
[05:13] <kiko> fabbione, or else the horse gets the axe!
[05:13] <fabbione> kiko: and
[05:13] <fabbione> kiko: and you the head
[05:24] <ddaa> stub: what do you use to build launchpad configs?
[05:24] <ddaa> I have a scrip based on "bzr branch", but it gets confused by launchpad being some sort of weird shared-repo-with-a-branch thing
[05:25] <stub> ddaa: rsync
[05:25] <ddaa> stub: to _build_ the launchpad config to rsync
[05:25] <stub> ddaa: I just rsync rocketfuel-built from chinstrap and then bzr pull --overwrite the branch I want
[05:26] <stub> ddaa: 'cause trying to run config manager on balleny gives me the shits
[05:26] <ddaa> okay
[05:26] <ddaa> will do as you do, then
[05:28] <ddaa> stub: I had a script that did the equivalent of cm build, but replaced the sftp:// url by local urls
[05:29] <ddaa> so it took only a long time, but not forever
[05:32] <stub> ddaa: Its more that stuff is installed all over the place, I'm never sure of what versions of Python libraries to put in my PYTHONPATH and can't be arsed updating my PYTHONPATH anyway.
[05:36] <Yannig> Hello everybody
[05:36] <Yannig> Could someone please tell me how I could have create a mailing list for the Occitan translation team?
[05:38] <kiko> Yannig, launchpad doesn't provide mailing lists -- you need to do it yourself!
[05:39] <Yannig> kiko> I asked at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ (as everybody I think) but they don't even dare to answer :(
[05:40] <kiko> Yannig, AFAIK we don't host mailing lists for translation teams, but.. I'm not sure. carlos, do you know?
[05:41] <carlos> kiko: we do it for ubuntu-l10n-XX teams
[05:41] <carlos> at lists.ubuntu.com
[05:42] <carlos> outside launchpad
[05:42] <carlos> Yannig: did you talk with jdub?
[05:42] <Yannig> carlos> I tried, but he never answered
[05:42] <carlos> Yannig: I guess he's sleeping atm
[05:42] <carlos> Yannig: he lives in Australia
[05:42] <carlos> Yannig: so you should try it before you go to sleep or early in the morning
[05:43] <carlos> Yannig: I guess you tried sending an email, right?
[05:43] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[05:44] <Yannig> I sent a may at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(as asked I can't remember where) 11 days ago
[05:45] <carlos> Yannig: try mailing him directly
[05:45] <carlos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>should work
[05:45] <carlos> hmm no, sorry, the right one is:
[05:45] <carlos> Jeff Waugh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:45] <Yannig> Great, thanks :)
[11:29] <lifeless> morning
[11:51] <SteveA> lifeless: morning.  strange that as soon as we add better diagnostics to launchpad, the darn thing works properly...
[11:53] <lifeless> SteveA: grah!
[11:53] <lifeless> hiesenbug


[18:21] <AndyGraybeal> how do i set it so the screen doesn't lock after 5 minutes of idle time without having all my users login and change it manually.  is there a way i can do it from the command line without having them be around?
[18:22] <alkisg> I answered in #ltsp
[18:45] <AndyGraybeal> thank you
[20:12] <dgroos1> Hi
[20:12] <dgroos1> I'm trying to get the FreeNX server on my server.
[20:12] <dgroos1> I followed the straightforward directions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[20:13] <dgroos1> but when I got to starting it: "sudo /etc/init.d/freenx-server start" as per the directions I got this:
[20:15] <dgroos1> Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[20:15] <dgroos1> utility, e.g. service freenx-server start
[20:15] <alkisg> That's just a warning, it shouldn't affect anythin
[20:15] <alkisg> g
[20:15] <alkisg> But neatx is easier to install, if you don't have some specific reason to prefer freenx...
[20:16] <alkisg> Anyway, since you already came that far, what does this tell you? sudo invoke-rc.d freenx-server status
[20:16] <dgroos1> Hard to know when things are a warning and when a problem...  I'll try...
[20:18] <dgroos1> ... failed: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479016/
[20:19] <alkisg> Freenx was converted to upstart? nice...
[20:19] <alkisg> Try: sudo status freenx-server
[20:19] <dgroos1> status: Unknown job: freenx-server
[20:20] <dgroos1> I also tried rebooting...
[20:20] <alkisg> dpkg -L freenx-server | grep init
[20:20] <alkisg> What does this tell you?
[20:20] <dgroos1> dpkg -L freenx-server | grep init
[20:21] <dgroos1> oops--wrong place :D
[20:21] <alkisg> :)
[20:22] <dgroos1> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479017/
[20:22] <dgroos1> and the "init" part is in red on each line...
[20:23] <alkisg> What about this: sudo start freenx-server
[20:25] <dgroos1>  Unknown job: freenx-server
[20:26] <alkisg> Hmmm that doesn't sound good. I haven't tried installing freenx to lucid yet, but according to your dpkg -L, that should work...
[20:30] <dgroos1> alkisg: arrrg!  looks like I spaced a step in the install directions--I'll do and get back...
[20:30] <alkisg> (installing neatx is just 2 commands with no configuration at all, that's why i prefer it :))
[20:35] <dgroos1> I'm feeling that right now...
[20:36] <dgroos1> I tried to do the 'missed step': sudo /usr/lib/nx/nxsetup --install
[20:37] <dgroos1> and got the message 'No such file or directory'. So I went and checked it out, sure enough, nothing by that name though a number of 'nx...' objects.
[20:54] <alkisg> dgroos1: no idea, as I said I haven't tried installing freenx on lucid, but I have a few minutes for vnc-based help if you want...
[21:25] <dgroos1> alkisg: just got back and saw your offer.  Thanks, I've got some more things to try--seems like another person had a bad install of the sw and reinstalled and it worked.  I'll let you know.
[21:49] <dgroos1> alkisg: sure enough, the problem was a missing script file in the package.  I'll note that on the wiki page as well as where to download it.
[21:49] <alkisg> Eew... better file a bug report about this
[22:16] <dgroos1> NX is working great!  I love it.  Filed bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freenx-server/+bug/618906 and improved the ubuntu wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[22:22] <alkisg> Which script was missing?
[22:25] <alkisg> nm - i just read the bug report :)
[22:29] <dgroos1> alkisg: now on to installing your uber italc script :)
[22:29] <alkisg> Hmm? italc?
[22:29]  * alkisg stopped using italc about a year ago...
[22:29] <dgroos1> your italc replacement...
[22:30] <dgroos1> the one you gave me instructions to install on a june 16 list-serve post...
[22:30] <alkisg> Ah. Nice, if you want any help ping me
[22:31] <dgroos1> I read these directions: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ts.sch.gr-ppa-lucid.list\ /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list.d BUT...
[22:31] <dgroos1> there was a line break and didn't know what the \ / was :)
[22:31] <dgroos1> help?
[22:31] <alkisg> That \ shouldn't be there
[22:32] <dgroos1> 'k
[22:32] <dgroos1> thanks
[22:33] <alkisg> Btw, we have some programs in our ppa - you'll get automatic updates for them. E.g. we have neatx in that ppa (so there was no need to add the freenx repository, just an apt-get install neatx-server would be enough), some fixes for ltsp etc
[22:34] <dgroos1> alas... I show have installed your scripts *before* adding nx...
[22:35] <alkisg> Ah now i got what the \ was, it's used when a command breaks on 2 lines
[22:35] <alkisg> so e.g. this: echo \
[22:35] <alkisg> hi
[22:35] <alkisg> is the same as: echo hi
[22:36] <dgroos1> programming...
[22:39] <dgroos1> OK upon installing the scripts I got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479086/ should I be concerned?
[22:40] <alkisg> Yes - we're using dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server
[22:41] <alkisg> To make ltsp installation easier (e.g. use only 1 nic instead of 2, no need for NATting etc) and to use the dhcp server of the router
[22:42] <alkisg> You have an already working ltsp setup, right?
[22:44] <dgroos1> Yes, 64 bit server, 32 bit clients, 2 nics (actually, I've got 3 nics, hope to bind the two giga nics to be 1 as this is for 40 clients or so).
[22:44] <alkisg> Are they pci-e nics or just pci nics?
[22:45] <dgroos1> not sure...  how can I find out?
[22:45] <alkisg> (also, we don't use 64-bit servers as they're not recommented by ubuntu - flash problems etc)
[22:45] <dgroos1> will that be an issue?
[22:46] <dgroos1> I mean, using your scripts on this 64 bit server?
[22:46] <alkisg> With sch-scripts? I don't think so, I suppose they'll work fine
[22:46] <alkisg> What are your client specs? cpu/ram?
[22:47] <dgroos1> most are p4, 512 RAM, at least 1.8 GHz
[22:47] <alkisg> Are you planning on operating them as thin clients or as fat?
[22:47] <dgroos1> Also have P3 with 512 RAM and 933 MHz
[22:48] <dgroos1> I used them last year as localapps, was going to continue this.
[22:48] <alkisg> ok
[22:51] <alkisg> Run this command to prevent dnsmasq from messing with your dhcp3-server: sudo dpkg-divert --divert /etc/dnsmasq.diverted --rename /etc/init.d/dnsmasq
[22:53] <dgroos1> Did it.  Thanks!  I'll continue on with the directions upon returning from an errand.  I'll probably have questions for you... tomorrow your time?
[22:54] <alkisg> Sure, good luck


[03:11] <CullenDM> Hi, I am having problems getting my wireless card working. The card is BCM4331 and I have a Macbook Pro 8,1.
[03:12] <mamarley> CullenDM: Are you using the b43 driver or the proprietary driver?
[03:13] <CullenDM> Under software sources it says I am using the proprietary driver, but I can only connect via cable.
[03:18] <Fudge> hi I have a 4th gen gigabyte intel board, trusty is saying unable to install grub. i tried to install it to the same partition as I have precise on here too that maintains grub, any ideas
[03:18] <Fudge> I did have Trusty installed but as feature freeze is near I wanted to reinstall
[03:20] <Beldar> Fudge, You can't have 2 OS linux on one partition, at least that what it reads like to me can you be more exacting. IE when is the grub asked for...etc
[03:22] <CullenDM> Ok, I tried using Jockey to install the driver and it says that it failed, this is the what it shows in the log file.
[03:22] <CullenDM> 2014-02-21 21:20:59,535 DEBUG: BroadcomWLHandler enabled(): kmod disabled, bcm43xx: blacklisted, b43: blacklisted, b43legacy: blacklisted
[03:22] <Beldar> Fudge, Just put grub in the trusty partition precise will still have the mbr and grub menu Than run a update-grub in precise.
[03:24] <Beldar> Fudge, You don't put the grub in the install in another OS's partition to get it on the grub menu, which seems to be your theory.
[03:44] <CullenDM> Still having problems with my wireless driver. None of the processes to fix it that I have found are working.
[05:59] <soee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1283353
[06:13] <Fudge> Beldar:  i have precise  with grub installed to sda, its partitions are on sda5 and sda6, trusty is on sda7 with grub isntalled to the same partition, as i want to control my grub from precise
[06:14] <Fudge> Beldar:  it is how i have always done things as currently precise is my stable os
[06:25] <Beldar> Fudge, You would not put trusties grub in precise is all. You can use what ever release you want to control grub and load its grub from its desktop with sudo grub-install /dev/sdX  X X is the HD.
[06:26] <Beldar> X is the HD*
[07:15] <Fudge> Beldar:  I know this, I did that, that is why I asked her ebecause of the error I received
[07:19] <Beldar> Fudge, Error seemed to be putting trusties grub into precise right?
[08:57] <jack> does "dragon" randomly crash for others too?
[09:05] <Fudge> Beldar:  no mate, something with UEFI I think
[09:11] <Fudge> so ill prob try setting up a uefi partition and see how that goes
[09:19] <ethermonk> how do i find out if i am running x11 or Mir?
[09:56] <bekks> you would know if you run mir.
[10:30] <vectory_> ethermonk: ps aux|grep Xorg
[10:31] <vectory_> not a precise answer but a start :)
[10:32] <bekks> If the actual question is "Does 14.04 use Mir?", then the answer is "No." - so the user would know if he/she installed Mir or not :)
[10:38] <vectory_> for the benefit of the doubt i guess he installed mir at some point
[11:01] <Fudge> better
[13:23] <phillw> Hi, a very noobie question, when I have the ISO mounted with loop, how do I change the kernel?
[13:25] <super-ru> Hey guys, quick question - I am wanting to install version 4.01.0-3ubuntu3 on an amd64 system of the ocaml package but it says "trusty (devel)". Does that mean it's not going to work on my 13.10 install?
[13:26] <super-ru> Or can I just add the trusty distribution and install it?
[13:29] <phillw> super-ru: I'm no expert... but 14.04 is pretty darn stable (well firefox beta decided to crash).  but it is being tracked... so if you do not use the real pushing edge of applications 14.04 will be fine for you http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1314
[13:32] <super-ru> I don't have the internet bandwidth to download another ISO this month lol
[13:33] <jtaylor> use zsync?
[13:34] <phillw> super-ru: well have a look into zsync, it will tell you how much data it needs. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds has the links
[13:34] <jtaylor> it might work to install the trusty package, but its safer to backport it
[13:34] <jtaylor> e.g. via backportpackage
[13:34] <super-ru> Yeah I was just reading into that
[13:35] <super-ru> Doesn't that require asking some professional developers to do some coding though?
[13:35] <jtaylor> only if it doesn't work
[13:36] <jtaylor> it might also break your ther ocaml packages
[13:36] <jtaylor> depends on how stable of an abi ocaml has
[13:36] <super-ru> Fresh install so I'll be getting the "latest" anyway
[13:37] <super-ru> Seems like a tonne of working and configuring just to compile a single software package though lol
[13:37] <super-ru> Wish someone would precompile it for me -_-
[13:37] <jtaylor> trusty does so :)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:51] <super-ru> I've decided just to checkout a previous version that doesn't require ocaml 4 lol
[13:52] <super-ru> and hey BlueKaj
[14:33] <ThomasB-Win> hey
[14:33] <ThomasB-Win> did the recent update break anyone else's lightdm?
[14:46] <soee> ThomasB-Win: define "break" ?
[14:47] <ThomasB-Win> When I go to log in, after I put in my password the password entry box disappears and so do the little dots on the background, but it just halts there.
[14:47] <ThomasB-Win> I've tried using xdm too but a lot of processes don't seem to be started, or maybe the recent update broke those too <_<
[14:48] <ThomasB-Win> I forced an update of xserver-xorg-core but that didn't work and I'm too afraid to do anything else because I might get stuck in dependency hell
[14:48] <soee> ah no idea, im on kubuntu
[14:48] <ThomasB-Win> *oh ok :p
[14:48] <ThomasB-Win> I don't know why I put an asterisk
[14:48] <soee> here lightdm works fine (when not using nvidia-prime)
[14:52] <ThomasB-Win> now my question is obscured by all of this netsplit stuff :(
[14:53] <ThomasB-Win> [08:33] <ThomasB-Win> did the recent update break anyone else's lightdm?
[14:53] <ThomasB-Win> there
[15:02] <BluesKaj> ThomasB-Win, try the virtual konsole , ctl+alt+F1-F6, login , then update and upgrade, then startx
[23:14] <ethermonk> Studio 14.04 daily has been installing for 15 hours now (and progress is still being made)
[23:15] <ethermonk> any way to prod the "Restoring previously installed packages" process along?
[23:28] <FernandoMiguel> 15h?
[23:28] <FernandoMiguel> what kind of PC do you have?
[23:28] <FernandoMiguel> none of mine ever took more than 30 min
[23:30] <ethermonk> Ubuntu Studio 14.04 x64 on AMD X2 2GHz, 4GB RAM, 80GB HDD (40GB ext4 "/" and 40GB NTFS Win7)
[23:32] <ethermonk> install went like normal untill i hit the "Restoring previously installed packeges" part of the install. this is where its been running for 14 hours slowly making progress (clean install)
[23:34] <penguin42> sounds like it's died - I'd just try again
[23:34] <ethermonk> it hasnt died, progress is being made
[23:34] <ethermonk> just very slowly
[23:36] <penguin42> how do you know?
[23:39] <ethermonk> the drop down that shows the cli output.   stuff is getting done, just have to wait about an hour in between "Warning Source ID blahblah was not found when attempting to remove it Glib.source_remove(self.timeout_id)"
[23:39] <penguin42> well if not dead that certainly sounds very ill
[23:40] <ethermonk> so i really should give up on it?
[23:40]  * penguin42 would try again
[23:40] <ethermonk> k
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> either there's a bug in the installer
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> or the DVD has gone bad
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> etc
[23:42] <ethermonk> i would assume the installer isnt ready yet
[23:42] <ethermonk> heard from some one else who installed studio 14.04 daily that it took their machine 7 hours to install
[23:43] <penguin42> I mean it's possible it's just a screwed up build - itsounds like something has died and it keeps timing out