[05:41] <jw4> clear
[05:41] <jw4> :)
[05:54] <jam> hey jw4, are you in the plenary room now?
[06:02] <jw4> jam, I think so
[06:03] <jw4> I'm sitting next to marcoceppi_
[06:03] <jw4> :)
[06:03] <jam> :). Richard Waagner Saal should be plenary. Just saying hi. I'm not in Nuremberg this week, so I figured I'd hang out as much as I can to say hi on IRC
[06:04] <jw4> cool, I'm sorry to miss seeing you jam
[06:05] <jam> same. I was looking forward to it, but my wife also has an important work conference this week, and I won the last time we had a conflict
[06:07] <jam> rick_h_: ping, I'm curious to hear a summary of your Juju API discussion in 2 hrs.
[06:09] <rick_h_> jam: ok
[06:11] <rick_h_> jam:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G0GeXJ2qGpl8xYDOmud20lQwumIoUu47hUR-Sk7H0Ig/edit#heading=h.hkd4am63fnj6 is the notes for the pre-session stuff
[06:11] <jam> rick_h_: thx
[12:13] <mgz> rogpeppe: https://github.com/juju/xml/pull/4
[13:00] <mgz> 'want resolved mode "", got "no-hooks"; still waiting'
[13:05] <mup> Bug #1443432 was opened: 1.23b4 i/o timeout, LXC instances can't talk to state server <cloud-archive> <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443432>
[13:05] <mup> Bug #1443440 was opened: 1.23-beta4 sporadically fails autotests <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443440>
[13:28] <mgz> mwhudson: I'm wondering if I can remove the workaround for bug 1425788 - but I'm assuming it's basically bug 1381671 so semi-randomly appears?
[13:28] <mup> Bug #1425788: multiple definition of http.HandlerFunc <ci> <gccgo> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Released by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425788>
[13:28] <mup> Bug #1381671: reboot tests fail to build on gccgo <ci> <gccgo> <patch> <reboot> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Released by gz> <gcc-4.9 (Ubuntu):Invalid> <gccgo-5 (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <gccgo-go (Ubuntu):In Progress by mwhudson> <gcc-4.9 (Ubuntu Trusty):Invalid> <gccgo-5 (Ubuntu
[13:28] <mup> Trusty):Invalid> <gccgo-go (Ubuntu Trusty):New> <gcc-4.9 (Ubuntu Utopic):Invalid> <gccgo-5 (Ubuntu Utopic):Invalid> <gccgo-go (Ubuntu Utopic):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1381671>
[13:28] <mgz> so, just because I'm not hitting it now, probably doesn't mean it's safe to build that file, till we're using a gccgo build with the fix
[13:30] <mwhudson> mgz: sounds plausible
[13:31] <mwhudson> mgz: i think yes
[13:35] <mup> Bug #1443432 changed: 1.23b4 i/o timeout, LXC instances can't talk to state server <cloud-archive> <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443432>
[14:47] <jw4> marcoceppi_: oi... have a sec?
[14:49] <jw4> marcoceppi_: how do we generate a new charm stub?
[15:00] <davecheney> natefinch:  curl https://storage.googleapis.com/golang/go1.4.2.linux-amd64.tar.gz | tar xz
[15:01] <davecheney> natefinch:  curl https://storage.googleapis.com/golang/go1.4.2.linux-amd64.tar.gz | tar -C /usr/local xz
[15:17] <marcoceppi_> jw4: read the docs ;)
[15:32] <mup> Bug #1439535 changed: 1.23-beta websocket incompatibility <api> <deployer> <regression> <juju-core:Invalid> <python-jujuclient:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439535>
[17:14] <mup> Bug #1443541 was opened: juju 1.23b4 vivid panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil pointer dereference <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443541>


[00:01] <tomreyn> i don't expect python2 to still be supported on 22.04
[09:40] <alkisg> tomreyn: not sure if they can have a different message per flavor, but ubuntu-mate is fine with the recommended 1GB: https://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/daily-live/current/
[09:40] <alkisg> If they can have a different message, sure, for gnome it should say 2 GB
[10:32] <Aarch64debian> !info fcitx
[11:05] <Aarch64debian> how  do you update/upgrade a os in exagear
[12:43] <tomreyn> alkisg: i'm pretty sure messages can differ, since they do already. https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-canary/current/ vs. https://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/daily-live/current/ vs ...
[12:44] <yosamite9999> Hi all, I would like to know if the upcoming LTS release will stuck with Xen 4.11.4 as it seems to be once looking on the current 22.04 package list or if Canonical is planning to include a more recent version as Debian already did.


[11:57] <mapreri> I cancelled this build after 100+ hours it was running, and the small terminal was stuck on "semop(1): encountered an error: Invalid argument".  shouldn't this have died by itself at some point?
[11:58] <mapreri> then, sbuild says 100+ hours, but the build was started the 26th, it's 5 days ago…
[11:58] <mapreri> this => https://launchpadlibrarian.net/304584637/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.schleuder_3.0.1-1_CANCELLING.txt.gz (which I've now retried, it was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schleuder/3.0.1-1/+build/11928304)
[12:05] <cjwatson> Yes, it should; known bug.  launchpad-buildd still uses sbuild's sudo mode, which isn't as good at killing sessions as its schroot mode.
[12:10] <mapreri> ic
[18:54] <acheronuk> something up with launchpad? taking ages for some uploads to ppas to show update, acceptance and build failure emails are coming very slowly, sometimes many many hours after the event
[21:42] <wgrant> acheronuk: Do you have a specific example of a package and email that were delayed?
[21:46] <acheronuk> wgrant: oddly enough, no. I have uploaded quite a bit to ppas today, and had not thought at the time to filter or note the late ones :(
[21:46] <acheronuk> I shall note future ones in case this continues
[21:46] <wgrant> acheronuk: Hmm. So you've seen delays in Accepted emails, not just things that might be explained by non-zero build queues?
[21:47] <wgrant> It's much easier to track down if you have an example, because nothing seems to be generally wrong.
[21:47] <acheronuk> correct. certainly not built queue related
[21:49] <acheronuk> [18:49] <mamarley> Launchpad is really lagging today.  It is taking hours to publish stuff and even 30 minutes or so to transmit build failure emails.
[21:49] <acheronuk> so not just me ^^


[00:04] <akio> single works, i just had to choose drop to shell
[00:11] <Melik> hey guys im having lots of trouble :/
[00:11] <Melik> gnome won't start ;/
[00:12] <akio> neither does mine
[00:12] <akio> happened last night or after 2.6.25?
[00:12] <akio> intel driver?
[00:13] <akio> Melik: !
[00:13] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTYwdw/pasta\
[00:13] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTYwdw/pasta*
[00:13] <Melik> akio,
[00:14] <Melik> well it opens the gnome session
[00:15] <Melik> but doesnt load any settings
[00:15] <akio> the intel driver on mine is hardcore borked
[00:16] <Melik> nor the panels, nautilus, and a window manager
[00:16] <akio> oops
[00:16] <Melik> akio,
[00:16] <akio> ?
[00:17] <Melik> can you open up a gnome session at least?
[00:17] <akio> i don't know
[00:18] <akio> ill try, how do i do that?
[00:18] <Melik> well
[00:18] <Melik> can you log in?
[00:18] <Melik> from the login window
[00:18] <akio> grr /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[00:18] <Melik> yeah
[00:19] <akio> im in single mode right now, dropped to shell
[00:19] <akio> i really don't know where to start, i suppose revert to old intel driver or something but i don't know how to do that
[00:20] <Melik> oh nvm :s
[00:20] <Melik> man this is so frustrating
[00:20] <akio> as soon as the gdm kicks my display fries
[00:20] <Melik> lol ouch
[00:20] <Melik> all i know is
[00:20] <Melik> next time when i test an alpha distro
[00:20] <Melik> im going to install a brand new one
[00:20] <Melik> on a diff partition
[00:20] <akio> lmao
[00:20] <Melik> i accidently upgraded my
[00:21] <Melik> real ibex
[00:21] <akio> yeah, i have a full backup but i just can't stand not having bleeding edge
[00:21] <Melik> and
[00:21] <akio> ibex is nice, jaunty is faster
[00:21] <Melik> im never ever ever using ion3
[00:21] <Melik> i HATE ion3, worst window manager ever
[00:21] <akio> never even heard of it
[00:22] <Melik> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~melik/screenshot.png
[00:22] <Melik> thats how it looks like
[00:22] <Melik> it works on tiles instead of floating boxes
[00:24] <Melik> whats the new  kernel?
[00:24] <Melik> 28.5.5?
[00:24] <akio> ?
[00:25] <akio> mine says 2.6.28-5
[00:25] <Melik> oh k
[00:25] <Melik> thanks
[00:25] <akio> dunno about the last points
[00:25] <Melik> just updating my grub menu.lst
[00:25] <akio> that wm is nuts
[00:26] <Melik> the idea is really nice
[00:26] <Melik> but the actual WM sucks.
[00:26] <Melik> its very unstable
[00:26] <Melik> anyways ill brb
[00:26] <Melik> im guna restart to the new kernel
[00:29] <andersk> I have a lot of friends that switched from ion3 to xmonad.  If you like the concept, xmonad is worth a try.
[00:30] <akio> so what is the easiest way to get my video back to working?
[00:30] <akio> besides re-installing
[00:31] <akio> dropping to root shell and using the vesa driver?
[00:31] <akio> why thank you for the advice
[00:39] <melik> ok back
[00:39] <melik> akio:
[00:39] <melik> i deleted gconf2 and gnome and like half my packages :$
[00:39] <melik> i'm just going to re-install everything
[00:40] <melik> im in shell right now
[00:44] <akio> my own advice worked
[00:44] <akio> for my issue
[00:45] <akio> drop to single user shell and switch the driver to vesa and then reboot
[00:55] <syockit> Did last xserver-xorg-video-intel update bork up? My xorg restarts upon login
[00:55] <syockit> Now using vesa
[00:55] <akio> yes
[00:55] <akio> vesa works fine
[00:55] <syockit> :(
[00:55] <akio> got scrambled portube?
[00:55] <akio> porntube*
[00:56] <syockit> So let's have a vesa life while we wait for them devs to bring the fix, eh?
[00:56] <akio> what kills me is that for a split second it works when switching to a tty
[00:56] <akio> did you notice that?
[00:56] <syockit> You mean?
[00:57] <akio> i have a 1024x600 screen, it really sucks for me, its all stretched and stuff
[00:57] <syockit> I can only tty before logging in. After trying to log in on kdm, switching to tty will show pretty stripes!
[00:57] <akio> 945GME
[00:58] <akio> but for a split second mine shows the failsafe x message
[00:58] <syockit> I've a 1280x768. 945GM/GMS? or is it 943/940GML? I'm confused
[00:58] <akio> but then fails to kick in properly
[00:59] <akio> lspci
[00:59] <syockit> Well, it shows both
[00:59] <akio> hrmmm?
[01:00] <akio> o
[01:00] <syockit> with 943/940GML Express yada yada on the end
[01:00] <syockit> Okay, okay, I'll paste it here:
[01:00] <syockit> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[01:01] <akio> 945GM
[01:02] <syockit> I see
[01:05] <syockit> Hmm, since when has vesa become this fast? Last time I used it (probably Gutsy), it scrolls sluggishly
[01:05] <syockit> s/scrolls/scroll/
[01:21] <syockit> Oh, cannot 1280x768 with vesa it seems. That's it, downgrading...
[01:29] <Melik> guys can anyone help me out?
[01:30] <Melik> my gnome is like completely broken :/
[01:32] <tretle> when is gnome being updated for jaunty
[01:33] <Melik> no idea
[01:33] <Melik> but my gnome is completely messed up :)
[01:34] <Melik> i log in from the GDM login window
[01:34] <Melik> and it just loads my background and thats it
[01:34] <Melik> fails to load gnome-settings-daemon and everything else
[01:39] <tretle> :(
[01:39] <taggie> tretle, what's wrong with your gnome?
[01:40] <tretle> no that was meliks gnome, I was just wondering when 2.26 was gonna hit jaunty
[01:40] <taggie> ah. don't know that one.
[01:59] <melik> damn :/
[01:59] <melik> i have no idea what to do anymore lol
[02:02] <x1250> melik, some parts of gnome are already being updated to 2.25.x
[02:03] <melik> x1250: wait gnome is getting updated?
[02:03] <x1250> from 2.24.x to 2.25.x
[02:04] <danbhfive> !schedule
[02:04] <melik> oh thats why its all probably screwed up atm :/
[02:04] <shadowhywind> hay all, I have a problem, that I wanna try to fix. using kubuntu, if i try to login using KDM it starts a xterm failsafe session instead of a kde seassion. (including trying to login as a new user) anyone have any ideas?
[02:04] <Volkodav> http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu <== anybody has gpg key for this repo ?
[02:04] <melik> i thought i did something to ruin it :S
[02:04] <danbhfive> melik: im pretty sure gnome gets released a few days before ubuntu goes beta
[02:04] <x1250> melik, I have no problems here
[02:05] <danbhfive> a week before beta
[02:07] <melik> damn x1250 :/
[02:07] <melik> this is what happens with mine
[02:08] <melik> basically the session manager doesn't startup
[02:08] <melik> so pretty much nothing starts up
[02:11] <x1250> melik, create a new user and see if it has problems too. If not, try rm -r ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome*
[02:11] <melik> hm all right
[02:11] <x1250> you'll lose custom configs though
[02:13] <melik> thanks x1250, yeah i created a user called test
[02:13] <melik> everything is fine
[02:13] <melik> all right ill go ahead and remove those two folders
[02:13] <x1250> melik, just don't forget to deluser it :P
[02:14] <melik> oh yeah i know :)
[02:17] <melik> damn x1250, it still does it argh :$
[02:17] <melik> i think
[02:18] <melik> i'm going to go ahead and..
[02:18] <melik> move all my actual files from /home/melik/ to a diff dir
[02:18] <melik> then going to go ahead and just rm -rf /home/melik/
[02:18] <melik> and del the user and just re-add it
[02:25] <x1250> melik, check ~/.xession-errors
[02:29] <maxb> Urgh
[02:30] <maxb> I knew there was no fglrx for jaunty, but I didn't realize that radeon moved like treacle
[02:30] <melik> x1250:
[02:30] <melik> i have nearly a thousand times
[02:30] <RAOF> maxb: Really?  Radeon _should_ be fast for most chips.
[02:32] <syockit> Yay, succesfully rolled back. Now I know the importance of keeping old debs
[02:35] <x1250> melik, then its probably another file or permission problems, who knows. But it will work if you clean it up. Your new user worked.
[02:37] <melik> yeah x1250
[02:45] <melik> x1250:
[02:45] <melik> i deleted my user.. removed the entire /home/melik/ folder
[02:45] <melik> and it still does it :/
[02:46] <melik> hold on brb
[02:49] <hggdh> RAOF, btw, how's radeonhd doing nowadays?
[02:51] <RAOF> hggdh: No idea.  Although last I heard, they'd changed the major design decision that radeon devs didn't like (direct hardware poking vs AtomBIOS).
[02:54] <hggdh> Volkodav, IIRC, PPAs still do not use gpg
[02:58] <maxb> They do now
[03:00] <maxb> Urgh, how do you convince dbus to reload its security policies without a reboot?
[03:00] <maxb> I tried invoke-rc.d dbus reload, and it didn't seem to take effect
[03:00] <Volkodav> hmm it gets me gpg error though
[03:00] <maxb> I tried invoke-rc.d dbus restart, and it locked up my machine
[03:00] <Volkodav> that's why I asked
[03:01] <Melik> x1250,
[03:01] <Melik> ok im fine now
[03:01] <Melik> it worked
[03:01] <Melik> thanks a lot for helping out mate :)
[03:02] <x1250> Melik, what did you do finally?
[03:02] <Melik> well, i forgot to delete the /home/melik/ folder
[03:02] <Melik> at first
[03:02] <Melik> re-deleted the user
[03:02] <Melik> and deleted the entire /home/melik/ folder
[03:02] <Melik> after i backed up all the files
[03:02] <Melik> and created a new user "melik"
[03:03] <maxb> RAOF: When I let X do its autodetection thing using the default config file, and it was using radeon, it was taking a full second just to repaint gnome-terminal after switching tabs :-(
[03:04] <RAOF> maxb: Hm.  That's substantially worse than unaccelerated; posting your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log might throw up something obviously wrong.
[03:05] <Melik> x1250,
[03:05] <Melik> i got one last question if you dont mind helping me :$
[03:05] <Melik> melik@matrix:~$ sudo su
[03:05] <Melik> [sudo] password for melik:
[03:05] <Melik> melik is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[03:05] <Melik> melik@matrix:~$
[03:06] <Melik> nvm i got it.
[03:09] <maxb> I have vaguely reasonable performance with radeonhd/AccelMethod=exa/DRI=true. I'll swap back to the pathological config later and get a log.
[03:11] <RAOF> DRI is likely to be a prerequisite for decent performance, and we've swapped to EXA by default.
[03:11] <hggdh> Volkodav, go to https://launchpad.net/~fta
[03:12] <maxb> Next problem - apparently that recent tightening of dbus security has left things unable to talk to HAL for CD/DVD presence :-/
[03:25] <maxb> Has anyone found touchpad tap-to-click broken since the last xserver-xorg-inpu-synaptics update?
[03:28] <hggdh> maxb, yes, there are some bugs opened on it
[03:30] <hggdh> e.g., bug 320623
[03:30] <hggdh> darn!
[03:31] <hggdh> bug 320632
[03:43] <DanaG> Oh heyas, anyone else having PulseAudio refuse connections?
[03:43] <DanaG> All it does: Connection Refused.
[03:44]  * DanaG is lucky / unlucky enough to have R600.
[03:44] <DanaG> I'm also having Xorg devour 100% of one CPU core.
[03:47]  * DanaG reboots to try to fix the dagflabbed screwed-up pulseaudio.
[03:49] <solarion> stupid intel 3d horkage
[03:50] <DanaG> wtf... I can't kill synaptic.
[03:50] <DanaG> neither 9 nor 11 works to kill it.
[03:51] <solarion> RAOF: you're an ubuntu dev?
[03:53] <Volkodav> that's why I asked
[03:53] <maxb> Hmm.. how can I set X options for the synaptics driver, now that input devices are not configured in xorg.conf any more?
[03:54] <DanaG> with an fdi file.
[03:54] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[03:54] <DanaG> That's my example.
[04:00] <Melik> argh
[04:00] <Melik> this is why i hate gnome
[04:00] <Melik> if i try to remove gnome-games
[04:00] <Melik> it removes gnome
[04:02] <solarion> Melik: the games are an integral part of the desktop experience
[04:06] <Melik> i dont see why they should force me to keep it
[04:06] <Melik> when im not going to use it
[04:06] <Melik> or for example i want to use a different music player instead of rhythmbox
[04:09] <Melik> solarion, i mean i like gnome.. its nice and very stable
[04:09] <Melik> and i like some programs they provide bundled with their desktop environemnt
[04:16] <x1250> Melik, I guess you say ubuntu-desktop? gnome package is not installed by default. Anyway, you _can_ purge/remove gnome-games without removing ubuntu-desktop, its only a recommend
[04:17] <cwillu> Melik, there's nothing wrong with removing gnome, it's just a metapackage.  Alternatively, you could just hide the games menu
[04:17] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTYxZg/pasta
[04:18] <x1250> try aptitude
[04:18] <x1250> Melik, why do have gnome installed?
[04:20] <solarion> Melik: really, gnome-games should be separable from gnome desktop.  That reeks of a packaging error
[04:20] <Melik> yeah
[04:20] <x1250> it looks like you have some problems there. Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:20] <Melik> rhythmbox
[04:21] <Melik> ekiga
[04:21] <Melik> hold on
[04:21] <Melik> nope
[04:21] <Melik> installing it now
[04:21] <Melik> hang on
[04:24] <x1250> also get rid of the gnome package. Unless you know you need it, is useless. IIRC it has vanilla gnome dependencies, which should be overridden by ubuntu-desktop.
[04:26] <Melik> never knew a "ubuntu-desktop" existed
[04:30] <x1250> Melik, then you can remove gnome-games, since its only a recommend in ubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <Melik> yeah
[04:30] <Melik> it works now
[04:41] <biouser> if I new how to really stop and start pulseaudio reliably.. I am much happier with the way that jaunty is handling audio and media though already, is exciting
[04:41] <DanaG> dang xorg is literally devouring my CPU.
[04:42] <DanaG> Or one core, rather.
[04:42] <DanaG>  Anyone know how to fix it?
[04:42] <DanaG> The problem goes away if I lock my screen with gnome-screensaver.
[04:42] <solarion> DanaG: might be gnome power manager
[04:43] <DanaG> Nope, I've killed *gnome*, and it still does it.
[04:43] <DanaG> That means gnome-panel, and the applets, too.
[04:43] <solarion> mm, ok
[04:43] <solarion> that's the only thing I know of
[04:43] <DanaG> Happens with fglrx AND with radeon.
[04:44] <cwillu> DanaG, try killing gnome-power-manager
[04:44] <DanaG> Doesn't happen with just an xterm open (failsafe login)... but starting gnome-session starts the issue somewhere.
[04:44] <DanaG> I _have_ done that.
[04:44] <DanaG> And gnome-settings-daemon.
[04:44] <cwillu> there's a bug there that's causing xorg to repoll the hardware over and over
[04:44] <DanaG> And all things with "applet" in the path name.
[04:44] <DanaG> Somehow, I'm thinking gnome-session itself may be doing it.'
[04:45] <cwillu> bug #307306
[04:45] <DanaG> AUDIT: Fri Jan 23 20:37:00 2009: 16520 X: client 4 rejected from local host ( uid=0 gid=0 pid=16545 )
[04:45] <DanaG> Still happens even after I nuke g-p-m.
[04:45] <solarion> cwillu: does your box live?
[04:46] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Something running on your system is responding to GDK's monitors-changed signal and asking X to reprobe your monitors
[04:46] <DanaG> hmm, how can I figure out what it is?
[04:46] <bluesmoke> DanaG: X may not immediately settle down when you kill the offending app
[04:46] <cwillu> solarion, just booting it back up now :p
[04:46] <DanaG> If need be, I can use ssh some time tomorrow.
[04:46] <bluesmoke> The only two I know of are gpm and gsd
[04:46] <bluesmoke> So....*shrug*
[04:46] <bluesmoke> That's the only known "X chews a crapload of CPU on login" bug that is currently known though
[04:47] <cwillu> solarion, 2.6.28-5 won't even boot on my system, I'm getting 'unsupport executable format'
[04:47] <solarion> cwillu: ouch
[04:47] <cwillu> -4 still works though
[04:48] <solarion> -5 boots fine for me
[04:48] <solarion> x86_64?
[04:48] <DanaG> Complete process list:
[04:48] <DanaG> in pastebin:
[04:48] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f37156a25
[04:49] <DanaG> ps afx, that is.
[04:50] <cwillu> DanaG, pastebin xorg.0.log
[04:51] <bluesmoke> #
[04:51] <bluesmoke> 16652 ?        Ssl    0:01 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon
[04:51] <bluesmoke> it restarts itself
[04:51] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f66b0853e
[04:51] <DanaG> I just killed g-s-d, and it's staying dead, actually.
[04:52] <bluesmoke> the root problem is gpm triggering these events on brightness change which GDK should not be firing signals for which causes these apps to do a very expensive X call
[04:52] <bluesmoke> Noone noticed before because it takes a new libxrandr and a new xserver for this call to be expensive, before the call was apparently just kind of broken
[04:52] <DanaG> Do the calls "stack up", or something?
[04:53] <DanaG> hmm, if I downgrade libxrandr temporarily, will that be a usable workaround?
[04:53] <DanaG> I do differentiate "workaround" from "fix".
[04:53] <bluesmoke> I suppose they could as long as the app was asynchronously waiting for the response (which a good GNOME app would do)
[04:53] <bluesmoke> no, I think actually old versions have the problem too because they check for the xserver
[04:54] <cwillu> DanaG, that's a normal xorg session?
[04:54] <DanaG> Lemme see it myself...
[04:54] <bluesmoke> although I did see mention of a downgrade working the version you would have to downgrade to requires you to downgrade half your desktop
[04:54] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Edit your gnome session to not start gnome-power-manager
[04:54] <DanaG> I'm on the Intrepid X server right now.
[04:54] <DanaG> Hackish solution: chmod -x
[04:54] <bluesmoke> then you have a completely different problem
[04:55] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:55] <bluesmoke> The call is only expensive with a server that supports XRandR 1.3
[04:55] <DanaG> I'm using fglrx, by the way.  Still happens with radeon, though.
[04:55] <DanaG> I also have an issue where any fglrx newer than 8.543 causes panics... even on the Intrepid LiveCD.
[04:56] <cwillu> ahhh, grub doesn't support ext4 extents yet, and my old kernels aren't written without extents
[04:56] <cwillu> !info grub2
[04:57] <DanaG> Grub2 doesn't do savedefault.  :(
[04:57] <DanaG> Same for grub-efi.
[04:57]  * cwillu doesn't particularily care :p
[04:57] <DanaG> I do have an EFI-supporting system, by the way.
[04:57] <DanaG> grub-efi doesn't even work at all -- it just hangs before any output.
[04:57] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Wait, I think you're in the wrong channel
[04:57] <DanaG> elilo works, though.
[04:57] <DanaG> My installed system IS jaunty except for the Xorg.
[04:57] <DanaG> And libdrm2.
[04:57] <bluesmoke> Why?
[04:58]  * bluesmoke goes Corporate
[04:58] <DanaG> No power management in R600.
[04:58] <bluesmoke> I'm sorry, that is an unsupported configuration.
[04:58] <DanaG> Hmm, since it's broken as is anyway... power management is a moot point, though....
[04:58] <cwillu> now I die starting my session
[04:58] <RAOF> (Incidentally, new libdrm makes nouveau buildable again, so it'll get the new XRandR 1.3 features sync'd from Debian)
[04:58] <bluesmoke> RAOF: yay
[04:58] <DanaG> ... so perhaps I'll just go ahead and switch to Jaunty xorg and "radeon".
[04:58] <bluesmoke> did the amd64 buildds ever catch up so intel works again?
[04:59] <cwillu> solarion, yay, everything's broken!
[04:59] <pwnguin> ooh
[04:59] <RAOF> bluesmoke: Dunno.  I don't do intel :)
[04:59] <pwnguin> new randr?
[04:59] <DanaG> Hold on while  Inuke xorg and come back with gpm chmodded -x.
[04:59] <RAOF> pwnguin: I don't think it does what you want it to do yet :)
[05:00] <pwnguin> heh
[05:00] <bluesmoke> What else can it possibly do?
[05:00] <pwnguin> well, the manpage says --rotate left rotates the screen left
[05:00] <bluesmoke> It's the Resize and Rotation spec
[05:00] <RAOF> Multi-card multi-head?
[05:00] <bluesmoke> eh?
[05:01] <bluesmoke> Isn't that up to the driver?
[05:01] <pwnguin> bluesmoke: ideally, it'd rotate my tablet input along with the screen
[05:01] <RAOF> IIUC it also requires xrandr changes.
[05:02] <bluesmoke> and IIUC 1.3 was supposed to make that possible
[05:02] <bluesmoke> that was the whole point
[05:02] <bluesmoke> that way nvidia will use it and not swap out that part of Xorg anymore :P
[05:02] <RAOF> Maybe.  I thought it might have been punted to 1.4.
[05:02] <RAOF> Yay for standardised interfaces!
[05:03] <pwnguin> anyways, maybe i should file a bug in the xrandr tool
[05:03] <pwnguin> -rotate rotation Rotation  can be one of ’normal’, ’left’, ’right’ or ’inverted’. This causes the output contents to be rotated in  the  specified direction. ’right’ specifies a clockwise rotation of the picture and ’left’ specifies a counter-clockwise rotation.
[05:05] <pwnguin> i have a feeling the manpage would just be changed =(
[05:06] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: I don't think the CLI tool that is meant to rotate the screen output is the right place to rotate your tablet
[05:06] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: Now a GUI that uses xrandr to rotate your screen should probably do that though
[05:07] <pwnguin> i have an icon i click on
[05:07] <pwnguin> it runs a script
[05:07] <DanaG> weird... as it is with this session... it's not doing it:
[05:07] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f1b8975ff
[05:07] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: then your script needs to do the right thing
[05:07] <pwnguin> the script checks the current orientation and advances 1
[05:07] <DanaG> I started failsafe, then began starting some other stuff.
[05:08] <bluesmoke> the xrandr tool should not manage input
[05:08] <pwnguin> it doesn't
[05:08] <pwnguin> the script basically works
[05:08] <DanaG> So, it seems to have something to do with things attached to dbus.
[05:08] <pwnguin> except i have to modify it for every damn driver because xrandr -q isn't consistent enough for grep
[05:08] <bluesmoke> DanaG: but you didn't start gnome-power-manager
[05:08] <DanaG> hmm, lemme try that one now.
[05:09] <bluesmoke> DanaG: gnome-power-manager causes the flood
[05:09] <DanaG> It still happened with g-p-m chmodded -x and restarting xorg.
[05:09] <bluesmoke> in that case you're screwed
[05:09] <DanaG> And starting it now doesn't make it happen.
[05:09] <DanaG> So it seems something else in my gnome-session is doing it.
[05:09] <bluesmoke> upgrade to an X server that is supposed to be used :P
[05:10] <DanaG> Get the radeon people to slow down the chip to save battery... since they're not even USING the gpu as it is...
[05:10] <DanaG> That rather irritates me: they didn't have the complete specs to do acceleration... but they left the thing running full-throttle to waste power.
[05:10] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Get them some documentation
[05:11] <bluesmoke> Also they do use the 3D engine for 2D acceleration
[05:11] <pwnguin> i thought ati released documentation, and everyone went out and bought chips and was happy
[05:11] <pwnguin> is this not the case?
[05:11] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: We don't even have 3D documentation yet, although we do have a driver being developed based on this documentation since Novell and RedHat have access to it
[05:11] <pwnguin> heh
[05:12] <pwnguin> so that's what greg meant by working on open drivers
[05:12] <DanaG> I wish they'd at least released the specs to slow the damn thing down to save power, even before they finished 3D stuff.
[05:13] <DanaG> Otherwise, it divides my battery life literally in half.
[05:15] <DanaG> woah... gnome-session ITSELF is what's doing it.
[05:15] <DanaG> I started it... and the problem started; I SIGQUIT it, and the problem stopped.
[05:16] <Volkodav> anybody has nightly build repo for vlc 64 bit ?
[05:17] <Volkodav> I also could use the one for Thunderbird 3
[05:17] <DanaG> Hmm, seems like it might have something to do with dbus.
[05:18] <cwillu> dbus seems to be at the root of a few things right now
[05:19] <cwillu> I've got a latent suspend issue it's implicated in (suspend works, but dbus-send ... suspend doesn'
[05:19] <DanaG> ah.  So might dbus itself has some breakage, that'll be fixed (even if for other reasons) later?
[05:19] <DanaG> I also have PA crashing on resume from suspend.
[05:20] <DanaG> gnome-session strace log:
[05:20] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the issue also goes away upon locking the screen with gnome-screensaver.
[05:21] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3cf1297d
[05:27]  * cwillu gets grub2 booting finally
[05:27] <DanaG> I'm bummed that efifb doesn't work for my system.
[05:28] <DanaG> WOah... killing just the dbus daemon... fixed it.
[05:28] <DanaG> So, it definitely has soemthing to do with dbus.
[05:30] <DanaG> Perhaps I should dbus-listen (or whaever the equivalent is).
[05:30] <cwillu> or maybe haps
[05:32] <DanaG> Odd... this time, a normal login... is not acting up at all!
[05:32] <DanaG> So that's just mysterious.
[05:34] <DanaG> Anyway, I won't file a bug about this particular issue, due to the unsupported configuration.
[05:34] <DanaG> woah, and oddly enough, it just started happening again.
[05:37] <DanaG> ... and it stopped again when I nuked a rogue dbus-daemon.
[05:38] <DanaG> So anyway, I'm happy enough for now; I know how to work around the cpu-devouring-ness.
[05:38] <DanaG> Just take an axe to various (non-root!) dbus-daemon processes.
[06:10] <stefanlsd> Is the nvidia problem sorted with the release of nvidia 180?
[06:10] <tritium> What problem might that be?
[06:11] <stefanlsd> the old nvidia 173 drivers not compiling with the shipped kernel
[06:12] <x1250> stefanlsd, it seems to work with Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[06:12] <x1250> with the drivers on the repos, 180
[06:12] <stefanlsd> x1250: yeah. reading that also now.  does the nvidia accel work?
[06:13] <x1250> stefanlsd, yes
[06:13] <stefanlsd> x1250: cool. i'll give it a try :)
[06:22] <DanaG> Heh, I've made some progress on figuring otu what's up.
[06:23] <DanaG> I've chmodded a bunch of stuff -x, including g-p-m.
[06:23] <DanaG> I also made all /usr/lib/gvfs stuff -x... and it fixed the cpu devouring.
[06:23] <DanaG> As soon as I made it +x again... the CPU devouring came back.
[06:27] <kayess> I'm just trying jaunty alpha 2 on my eee... Seem to be getting somewhere, cool
[06:34] <DanaG> Hmm, yeah, so it's some odd interaction of lots of things.
[06:38] <DanaG>  glxinfo
[06:38] <DanaG> No protocol specified
[06:38] <DanaG> Error: unable to open display :0.0
[06:40] <kayess> Looks like the disk partitioner has died loading at 38% -- will have to spend some time d/ling alpha 3 and trying that
[06:46] <v1d4l0k4> People, I've updated my Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 with 'update-manager -d' and now my system doesn't log on. I can use only Failsafe Terminal, every other options blink the screen and back to the GDM. Many commands in the terminal shows GConf Errors, like "stale NFS locks .... failed to get connection to session". What can I do to repair the system? I'm dissapointed. =(
[06:48] <dtchen> v1d4l0k4: you might want to revert to alpha 3, then
[06:48] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, I may have the same problem, can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors?  (apt-get install pastebinit, and then pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors from a terminal, immediately after a failed session)
[06:49] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, usual statements about 'things break during alphas, you should be expecting that' :p
[06:54] <x1250> v1d4l0k4, try creating a new user and see if it works ok. If it does, try cleaning up your home dir.
[06:54] <kayess> Hey disk partitioner finally loaded!
[07:00] <v1d4l0k4> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/f15422fba ;)
[07:01] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, looks similar
[07:01] <v1d4l0k4> dtchen: In the case I want to revert do Alpha 3, how could I do it? (i'm upgraded from 8.10)
[07:01] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, from the failsafe terminal, you should be able to start metacity & gnome-settings-daemon & gnome-panel, etc
[07:02] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, not very easily unless you made a backup
[07:02] <x1250> he can't unless reinstalling, but I don't see the point. He should create a new user and see if it works.
[07:03] <cwillu> indeed
[07:03] <cwillu> if he's got the same problem as me, it won't help, but we don't know that yet
[07:04] <cwillu> oooo, compiz might be getting the blame :)
[07:06] <v1d4l0k4> hmm, I don't have any backup :P (at least my /home has your own partition)
[07:06] <cwillu> if your home is on a seperate partition, reinstalling alpha3 would work (with the usual 'use a preexisting home partition' stuff)
[07:06] <cwillu> but that's not gonna help fix anything
[07:07] <cwillu> and if you're not helping fix things, then you _really_ shouldn't be on the alpha's :p
[07:08] <x1250> v1d4l0k4, logout and reset your gnome desktop using: sudo rm -r ~/.gconf* ~/.gnome*  ~/.local
[07:08] <x1250> if that doesn't fix it, then you can worry (supposing you've got all necessary stuff installed)
[07:09] <cwillu> noting that that will permanently reset any and all gnome settings
[07:10] <dtchen> and possibly more than just GNOME
[07:10] <dtchen> an increasing number of applications are using fdo user dirs
[07:11] <dtchen> (hence, it's normally a better idea to recommend using `mv' vice `rm')
[07:11] <DanaG> Eh, went back to good X server.  No issues anymore.
[07:13] <DanaG> er
[07:13] <DanaG> different issue: mouse is all crazy-twitchy.
[07:16] <cwillu> DanaG, same issue :p
[07:17] <cwillu> killall gnome-power-manager :p
[07:17] <biouser> I must say I am so impressed with the way that the media is heading in jaunty
[07:17] <DanaG> Not the same symptom at all, actually.
[07:17] <DanaG> By twitchy, I mean, min acceleration feels like the old max acceleration.
[07:17] <DanaG> I should be more specific: s/mouse/touchpad/
[07:17] <x1250> biouser, what do you mean?
[07:17] <cwillu> ah, k.  I have actual twichyness (mouse skips around as you move it)
[07:19] <biouser> x1250 my audio was terrible and then a couple of weeks ago I went to 8.10 and the audio interplay was much better and now in 9.04 the way that the sound services interact is improving steadily it seems
[07:19] <DanaG> I despise the new volume control.
[07:19] <DanaG> Where's my input [sub]device selector?
[07:19]  * x1250 too
[07:20] <DanaG> Where's my different-apps-to-different-devices control?
[07:20] <cwillu> DanaG, you're new to gnome, aren't you? :p
[07:20] <DanaG> And why does scrolling UP on the (stupidly horizontal) bar... DEcrease the volume?
[07:20] <cwillu> (yes, I know)
[07:20] <DanaG> cwillu: I just ran into an even more gnome-ey thing, on the HP Mini-MIE distro.
[07:20] <biouser> DanaG I think that the sound has the potential to be world-class
[07:20] <x1250> the new volume control is soooooo not efficient. If I want to change totem's volume, then 4 clicks.
[07:21] <DanaG> They have a custom GDM that disables the gdmsetup tab, and a custom gnome-control-center that hides the themes tab.
[07:21] <biouser> well pulse audio was really terrible in hardy
[07:21] <DanaG> Their Glassy-Bleu theme is cool, though -- and no other place has it.
[07:21] <biouser> but hardy is running this server like a champ
[07:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, pavumeter needs a device chooser.
[07:22] <cwillu> I'm just hoping for a alt-mousewheel-over-a-window volume control some day
[07:23] <DanaG> What's this Default, Bark, Drip, Glass, Sonar sound set?
[07:23] <DanaG> None work.
[07:23] <x1250> the volume control should show the main control volume and all apps in the main window.
[07:23] <DanaG> Here's why I like PulseAudio:
[07:23] <DanaG> Music and Videos -> USB surround sound card.
[07:24] <DanaG> Web audio and chat audio -> onboard speakers.
[07:24] <DanaG> So, if something on the internet annoys me -- bam, I mute it.
[07:25] <DanaG> even pavucontrol doesn't let you choose between mic and line-in.
[07:25] <lucent> DanaG: not quite "Button for which presser may physically alter recipient's face with a human hand-sized impact mark of varying velocity and intensity through Internet communications" but still pretty good
[07:26] <lucent> still think that the inventor who allows me to reach out and slap people over the internets will become a rich soul
[07:27] <DanaG> ugh, hate this way-too-fast mouse.
[07:27] <DanaG> Ugh.
[07:31] <DanaG> It does still bug me that the ATI open-source drivers don't put the not-yet-used GPU in low-speed mode.
[07:31] <DanaG> It's like leaving your car idling at redline speeds.
[07:32] <lucent> it's more like complaining that your government is spying on terrorists
[07:32] <lucent> what are you going to do about it?
[07:33] <fujimitsu> that entirely different subject. DanaG should just test on nvidia instead of ati
[07:33] <fujimitsu> ha
[07:33] <DanaG> No, nvidia is even worse.
[07:34] <DanaG> That's why I bought ATI, actually.
[07:34] <fujimitsu> my experience has been more rewarding
[07:34] <DanaG> radeon >>> nv
[07:34] <DanaG> last time I used nv, it inverted two of three color channels on videos... and gave blank screen on resume from suspend.
[07:35] <fujimitsu> amd/nvidia all the way
[07:35] <fujimitsu> [note that /me not testing jaunty atm]
[07:36] <DanaG> ugh, damned way-too-fast touchpad.  It was perfect in Intrepid.
[07:39] <DanaG> I meant to say:  radeon ⋙ nv
[07:40] <DanaG> And the TouchStyk is as slow as molasses.
[07:55] <biouser> GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error, trying to play .swf created by pyvnc2swf, any ideas?
[08:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I can EFI-boot my system OR bios-boot it.... but is there any real advantage to EFI-booting?
[08:25] <syockit> well, I managed to get pulseaudio running by deleting .esd_auth, but it sounds choppy!
[11:04] <logari81> I think this one:
[11:04] <logari81> * Drop 102_dont_vblank.patch, since the new drm code in the kernel fixes the bugs that it worked around.
[11:04] <logari81> in mesa update of today destroyed this picture:
[11:04] <logari81> http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1466/screenshotfn6.png
[11:04] <logari81> for my ati X700
[11:04] <logari81> now googleearth with composite flickers like in intrepid and e.g. cant be projected on the cube
[14:54] <spooky_d> Hello
[14:54] <spooky_d> I was wondering - how cam I play video with sound on the 9.04?
[14:54] <spooky_d> mplayer is silent as a fish, vlc/xine as well
[14:55] <spooky_d> De asemenea, 14 promisiuni sunt "în curs" şi alte 488 sunt "netratate". Printre cele aflate "în curs" se numără închiderea centrului de la Guantanamo şi alegerea unui câine pentru fiicele lui Obama, Malia şi Sasha.De asemenea, 14 promisiuni sunt "în curs" şi alte 488 sunt "netratate". Printre cele aflate "în curs" se numără închiderea centrului de la Guantanamo şi alegerea unui câine pentru fiicele lui Obama, Malia şi Sasha.otoh, amarok
[14:55] <spooky_d> sorry
[14:55] <mnemo> spooky_d: can you play sound in other apps?
[14:55] <spooky_d> amarok is playing without problems sound
[14:55] <spooky_d> and the flash plugin is able to play (from time to time)
[14:57] <spooky_d> I tried with mplayer with ao pulse and alsa (oss is not working)
[14:57] <mnemo> i can play movies with sound on jaunty (I got realtek ALC889A chipset)
[14:58] <mnemo> spooky_d: what does it say at "Chip:" if you launch "alsamixer -Dhw" in a terminal ?
[14:59] <kevku> why in the hell is ipv6 module missing in 2.6.28-5
[14:59] <spooky_d> Sigmatel STAC9200
[14:59] <spooky_d> I modprobed snd-pcm-oss, and -ao oss works like a charm
[15:00] <spooky_d> But... :(
[15:01] <mnemo> spooky_d: if some apps play sound then I dont think its the kernel module... maybe its pulseaudio thats broken or something?
[15:01] <spooky_d> Yes, but amarok plays sound - this is why I don't get it
[15:01] <mnemo> hmm, strange indeed
[15:02] <spooky_d> alsa controls are all up.
[15:02] <BUGabundo> spooky_d: jaunty?
[15:02] <mnemo> and none of them says "MM" for mute right?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> are you checking from alsamixer or alsamixergui -c 0
[15:02] <BUGabundo> =
[15:02] <BUGabundo> ??
[15:03] <spooky_d> with alsamixer
[15:03] <spooky_d> nope, none of them
[15:03] <spooky_d> BUGabundo: 9.04 - if jj it is called :P
[15:04] <BUGabundo> LOL it is spooky_d
[15:04] <BUGabundo> I only got tail of your prob. can you tell me really quick what's up?
[15:05] <spooky_d> no video playback program is able to output sound correctly
[15:05] <spooky_d> mplayer - silent - vlc silent, xine silent
[15:05] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:05] <spooky_d> mplayer's ao: pulse and alsa silent
[15:05] <BUGabundo> does is do glitchs?
[15:05] <spooky_d> I have modprobbed snd-pcm-oss and it work with oss
[15:06] <BUGabundo> how do you have the sound preferences output?
[15:06] <spooky_d> but perhaps there's a different problem that should be considered
[15:06] <spooky_d> sound preferences?
[15:06] <spooky_d> I think that pulseaudio is the preferred one - although I am not sure.
[15:06] <BUGabundo> any thing like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/295519
[15:07] <spooky_d> no glitches.
[15:07] <BUGabundo> can you check Multimedia System Selector ?
[15:07] <spooky_d> Only one glitch - it's completely silent
[15:07] <spooky_d> BUGabundo - if you tell me how to start it, because I have no idea.
[15:07] <spooky_d> ;;)
[15:08] <BUGabundo> System->Pref->
[15:08] <spooky_d> (it's not the same problem, I don't have glitches, only silence)
[15:08] <spooky_d> no such menu item
[15:09] <BUGabundo> ubuntu (gnome) right?
[15:10] <spooky_d> no
[15:10] <spooky_d> kubu
[15:10] <BUGabundo> # gstreamer-properties
[15:10] <BUGabundo> try that!
[15:11] <spooky_d> all on auto-detect
[15:12] <spooky_d> nope.
[15:12] <spooky_d> no effect.
[15:14] <BUGabundo> spooky_d: try circling around the options to see if any works
[15:15] <spooky_d> not really :(
[15:26] <BUGabundo> spooky_d: I'm out of ideas then!
[15:26] <BUGabundo> file a bug or check for dupes, and let PA devs debug it!
[15:46]  * x1250 affected by bug 320585
[15:46] <BUGabundo> x1250: mine sometimes needs an hammer but it works
[15:47] <BUGabundo> I guess I need to fine tune the sensibilty
[15:47] <BUGabundo> but the eeepc 1000h are really lousy!
[15:49]  * x1250 hopes this gets fixed soon :)
[17:05] <nixternal> oi! I did an update this morning on my jaunty box..when I go to login, it starts fine and I can start to see the desktop, then the screen garbles and spits me back out to gdm...any fixes for this yet?
[17:08] <x1250> nixternal, no such bug here. Try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:08] <nixternal> x1250: intel video?
[17:08] <x1250> nixternal, ati x1400
[17:09] <nixternal> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/320525
[17:09] <nixternal> right, there is an intel bug right now
[17:13] <DanaG> Ooh, HP's Glassy Bleu theme really IS cool.
[17:51] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG: Link to theme?  :-)
[17:57] <DanaG> I'll have to make an archive with the source -- but I'm not sure what HP would say about it.
[17:57] <DanaG> It's not publicly available, I believe.
[18:03] <DanaG> Or rather, it is obtainable if you know how... but just not publicized.
[18:41] <Volkodav> anybody know how to get keyring for http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu jaunty main ?
[19:02] <hggdh> Volkodav, https://launchpad.net/~fta I sent this to you yesterday
[19:02] <hggdh> and it is not the keyring you need, but the public key
[19:02] <Volkodav> oh - I missed it probably
[19:02] <Volkodav> thanks
[19:03] <Volkodav> hggdh, so I add this https://launchpad.net/~fta  to  sources.lst ?
[19:06] <hggdh> Volkodav, you need the openpgp public key for fta
[19:06] <hggdh> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x68E7CD1DB6EE20E8
[19:06] <Volkodav> how do I get though ?
[19:07] <Volkodav> ok
[19:07] <hggdh> see above ;-)
[19:07] <hggdh> and you have to add it to the apt keyrinig
[19:09] <hggdh> after you download & save the public key -- say, to /tmp/fta.asc, you run 'sudo apt-key add /tmp/fta.asc'
[19:10] <Volkodav> so I do sudo touch /tmp/fta.asc
[19:10] <Volkodav> then cp the keys there
[19:11] <hggdh> you do not need to 'sudo touch', you can save it straight there
[19:11] <hggdh> under your own userid
[19:11] <Volkodav> ohj it will work as a user ?
[19:11] <hggdh> to save the public key, yes. To add it to the apt keyring, no
[19:12] <hggdh> keep in mind that the public key starts and ends at the lines beginning with '-----'
[19:16] <Volkodav> ok
[19:16] <Volkodav> doing as we speak
[19:16] <hggdh> k
[19:18] <Volkodav> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not availab
[19:18] <Volkodav> still the same
[19:18] <Volkodav> I saved the file ok though
[19:20] <Volkodav> copied from here http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x68E7CD1DB6EE20E8
[19:20] <Volkodav> maybe 64 bit is different ?
[19:22] <hggdh> no, there is no difference
[19:22] <Volkodav> so why is spitting the same error then ?
[19:22] <hggdh> Volkodav, please run 'sudo apt-key list' & pastebin the result
[19:22] <hggdh> !pastebin
[19:23] <hggdh> then pastebin the full error messages you are getting
[19:24] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/369734
[19:24] <hggdh> well, fta's key is there
[19:24] <hggdh> so now for the full error messages you are getting
[19:25] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/369735
[19:25] <Volkodav> the relevant part obviously
[19:25] <hggdh> the error message is truncated...
[19:26] <hggdh> i.e.,*which* following signatures could not be verified?
[19:29] <Volkodav> full - http://pastie.org/369737
[19:31] <hggdh> OK. The missing publik key is '632D16BB0C713DA6'
[19:31] <hggdh> which is a different one
[19:32] <hggdh> fta's is '68e7cd1db6ee20e8'
[19:33] <Volkodav> so it's some other repo you think ?
[19:34] <hggdh> now, to find this one... it is not in keyserser.ubuntu.com
[19:34] <Volkodav> when I remove this repo I get no errors though - so it must be it
[19:34] <hggdh> Volkodav, yes
[19:34] <hggdh> interesting
[19:34] <Volkodav> yeah
[19:35] <Volkodav> I will try to comment it out again and double check
[19:35] <hggdh> Volkodav, wait
[19:35] <hggdh> look at https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
[19:37] <hggdh> there is a different key for you to add... sorry, signed PPAs are new for me too
[19:38] <hggdh> this is the key you have to add: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x632D16BB0C713DA6
[19:39] <Volkodav> as a separate file or I can throw in the same I already have ?
[19:41] <hggdh> you can replace the contents of the current file with it
[19:42] <Volkodav> same error anyway
[19:43] <hggdh> pastebin both the keylist and the output og apt-get again
[19:44] <Volkodav> well I forgot to readd it
[19:44] <Volkodav> it;s all good now
[19:44] <Volkodav> thanks for your help hggdh !
[19:45] <hggdh> welcome, Volkodav , sorry for not RTFMing before telling you what to do
[19:46] <Volkodav> it's ok
[19:46] <Volkodav> the TB-3 still won't show up though
[19:47] <hggdh> heh now you lost me completely. What's TB3? Do I hang it on the wall, drink it with ice, or carry it to bed?
[19:47] <Volkodav> Thunderbird lol
[19:48] <marijus> anyone got problems running compiz since yesterdays x and mesa updates?
[19:48] <hggdh> ah <shame/>
[19:48] <marijus> on intel
[19:48] <hggdh> sorry, I do not use it, Volkodav
[19:49] <Volkodav> neither do I
[19:49] <Volkodav> I use it on Mac though
[19:49] <Volkodav> I like Claws-mail better - light and very configurable
[19:51] <hggdh> here's is Evolution. But the best mail client I ever used was The Bat, unfortunately not available on Linux
[19:52] <Volkodav> I hate Evolution for 2 things - no separate inbox/sent etc for each account and filters suck
[19:53] <Volkodav> Claws has the most flexible filters subfolders included
[19:53] <Volkodav> Evolution can not filter subfolders - it is not acceptable with my volume of mail and number of accounts
[19:54] <hggdh> I do not disagree, its just that I help support Evo, so it makes sense to use it ;-) also, we are moving to a SQL DB, and this will make extensions to filtering easier
[19:54] <Volkodav> Hope it works for you
[19:54] <hggdh> with care, yes ;-)
[19:55] <Volkodav> well - will keep an eye on it
[19:55] <Volkodav> it is flaky though
[19:55]  * hggdh agrees
[20:38] <raymears> hi folks. i have a question regarding jaunty and lirc: will it include the new kdelirc frontend for lirc?
[20:39] <raymears> (i mean jaunty... of course. silly me)
[21:01] <marijus> compiz is killing my x since yesterdays x, mesa and intel driver update... i wonder why because x seems to start well... any help?
[22:04] <Volkodav> is vlc nightly builds still down ?
[22:07] <Volkodav> is there an ubuntu repo or debian should work too ?
[22:12] <Volkodav> deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd-64/arch ./ <-- looks down deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd-64/arch ./
[22:13] <user___> Volkodav: maybe ask in #vlc
[22:14] <Volkodav> right
[22:18] <spr0k3t> just finished testing portions of jaunty... very impressive so far.
[22:19] <spr0k3t> went from 32sec boot time down to 14sec.
[22:22] <pwnguin> spr0k3t: is that with ext3 or 4?
[22:26] <pwnguin> 1
[22:27] <fholmstrom> Apt source for jaunty = ?
[22:28] <spr0k3t> pwnguin: ext3... I had some problems installing jaunty off the beta live to get ext4.
[22:28] <pwnguin> neat; my laptop hovers at 29s
[22:28] <spr0k3t> er, alpha live.
[22:28] <pwnguin> hasn't really changed much over time
[22:28] <pwnguin> im thinking i'll switch to ext4 and test that
[22:29] <pwnguin> maybe i need to rerun the profile
[22:29] <spr0k3t> well, one thing I have on my system is a 10K drive... I've seen it max close to 110MB on the boot.
[22:29] <pwnguin> oh
[22:29] <pwnguin> highest ive gotten is like 20 ;)
[22:30] <pwnguin> 1
[22:30] <spr0k3t> with arch... it's almost instant on.
[22:30] <pwnguin> gah. stupid kvm
[22:30] <pwnguin> arch linux?
[22:30] <spr0k3t> yeah
[22:30] <pwnguin> well sure, if you build your own kernel, ubuntu would be to
[22:30] <spr0k3t> not for the faint of mind.
[22:30] <pwnguin> i used to build my own debian kernel
[22:30] <spr0k3t> uber speed
[22:31] <pwnguin> at 110MB you could probably cut out readahead and just do parallel boot
[22:33] <pwnguin> 1
[22:34] <spr0k3t> sorry about that... cat stepped on the power button.
[22:35] <pwnguin> heh, i have /joins and /parts on ignore
[22:35] <pwnguin> didnt even notice
[22:35] <spr0k3t> lol
[22:35] <spr0k3t> I just need to turn off that feature.
[22:35] <spr0k3t> so far, the only thing I haven't been able to get working in jaunty is the nvidia drivers.
[22:36] <pwnguin> do you have a pressing need for nvidia?
[22:36] <pwnguin> because theres a secret i need to publish soon
[22:37] <pwnguin> nouveau's in the repo  now
[22:37] <spr0k3t> really? ... bbiab
[22:38] <spr0k3t> okay... now time to see about getting compositing turned on with dual monitor modes.
[22:38] <pwnguin> well, if you've got a superdrive, im guessing you've got an 8800gt or something newer
[22:38] <spr0k3t> yeah, something like that (9800gtx+)
[22:39] <pwnguin> that's far outside of galliums experimental setup ;)
[22:39] <pwnguin> and barely within nvidia's
[22:39] <spr0k3t> damn
[22:41] <spr0k3t> nice... gnome-display-properties still segfaults
[22:42] <pwnguin> crap
[22:42] <pwnguin> i just kicked the box under my desk
[22:42] <kab> I just install Jaunty and I get this error (EE) NVIDIA: Use the -ignoreABI option to override this check.
[22:42] <pwnguin> now the fan's goin nuts
[22:42] <kab> anyone here have Nvidia Drivers 180 working on?
[22:43] <spr0k3t> kab: did you upgrade/install or install from live?
[22:43] <pwnguin> spr0k3t: is seems you're not the only one with troubles ;)
[22:43] <spr0k3t> pwnguin: there's a known problem out on launchpad
[22:43] <kab> spr0k3t, I have installed
[22:44] <pwnguin> spr0k3t: reminds me, i should read and subscribe to some nouveau packages
[22:46] <Chr1831> anyone around?
[22:46] <Chr1831> anyone know if the bug affecting mcp67 users has been fixed in jaunty?
[22:51] <spr0k3t> Chr1831: not sure... do you know the bug# by chance?
[22:52] <Chr1831> spr0k3t nope i just remember going back to windows after 8.10 Laughing Out Loud
[22:52] <Chr1831> =P
[22:52] <spr0k3t> what's windows... precious?
[22:52] <spr0k3t> (boil em mash'em, stick em in a stew)
[22:52] <kab> did you mean XWindows?
[22:53] <Chr1831> windows vista =)
[22:53] <kab> ohhh
[22:53] <Chr1831> i cbb to hold a key (any key) during boot to get to my system...
[22:53] <Chr1831> i like linux and all but thats just a pita...
[22:53] <kab> Chr1831, what is the bug?
[22:54] <Chr1831> boot stalls during loading screen till you hold a key till it gets 2 xorg
[22:55]  * charlie-tca keeps all my windows in the house walls
[22:55] <kab> Chr1831, try with Jaunty http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-3/
[22:56] <Chr1831> i have jaunty....
[22:56] <spr0k3t> Chr1831: very odd... sounds like a bug that might be effected at the kernel level... not just the system level.
[23:01] <kab> anyone here have a nVidia property drivers working on?
[23:04] <RAOF> kab: I'm not sure what you're asking, so I'll answer both questions I read from there.  (a) Yes, many people have the nVidia proprietary drivers working; it (just) requires adding the IgnoreABI option to your ServerFlags section is xorg.conf, and (b) no one here is working on the proprietary nVidia drivers.  They can't.
[23:04] <kab> RAOF, thank you,
[23:08] <kab> RAOF, trying
[23:09] <x1250> uhm, synaptic touchpad feels very strange now, with latest upgrade.
[23:10] <RAOF> Latest, or next-to-latest?  Tap-to-click broke on next-to-latest, certainly.
[23:13] <x1250> RAOF, 0.99.3-1ubuntu2
[23:13] <kab> RAOF, thank you very much!
[23:14] <RAOF> x1250: Hm.  I'm not using that one yet.  The one before broke tap-to-click though.
[23:14] <kab> the xorg.conf with ServerFlags don't work for me
[23:15] <kab> but changing the gdm.conf is ok
[23:15] <kab> now my Xinerama is working on :)
[23:16] <x1250> RAOF, tapping is working again with 0.99.3-1ubuntu2, but it has some other issues. Difficult to explain, its just buggy. Maybe you'll know when you test it. Hopefully.


[15:01] <ggoodman> Hi folks. Taking a chance here after seeing the bug tracker empty. We've recently found ourselves pulling in https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/834 ("Allow user control over update events"). The hosts that are affected are creating and disposing docker containers at a very high rate. A side-effect thereof is that lots of virtual ethernet
[15:01] <ggoodman> adapters are created and disposed. We see that this is triggering cloud-init events at a high volume, consuming significant CPU. Is there a way that we can disable such events from triggering cloud-init?
[16:44] <ggoodman> We've done quite a bit more spelunking and the udev hotplug trigger invoking `cloud-init devel hotplug-hook` is what is consuming lots of CPU each time a container is created or disposed. Tweaking the udev rules to exclude veth adapters 'fixes' the issue but doesn't appear to be configurable.
[18:07] <akutz> Will Bionic and Focal backports patches be made available the same day Impish is scheduled to drop (Oct 14th)?
[20:12] <akutz> falcojr: Do you happen to know the answer regarding the backports question above? Thanks!
[20:28] <falcojr> ggoodman: that shouldn't be enabled by default. What cloud is this on and has the cloud-init code different from upstream? Regardless, the example here in the user's cloud config should disable it. https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/events.html#apply-network-config-every-boot
[20:29] <falcojr> I'd be interested in seeing the /var/log/cloud-init.log if you can produce it. Either a paste bin here or new launchpad bug
[20:29] <falcojr> akutz: if you're asking about the VMware DS, that should be backported as of yesterday
[20:30] <ggoodman> We did try the config suggested in the linked docs and that didn't appear to help at all. Let me see about getting some of the logs.
[20:30] <falcojr> cloud-init SRU schedule doesn't follow the standard Ubuntu schedule, and we just finished backporting our 21.3 release yesterday
[20:32] <ggoodman> @falcojr is there a preferred bin for this channel?
[20:33] <ggoodman> The log file has reached 299m (and counting) so I'll share the last 100 lines that I believe show several of the complete events.
[20:33] <falcojr> paste.ubuntu.com
[20:34] <falcojr> Ooto but I'll check when I'm back
[20:36] <ggoodman> @falcojr appreciated! Logs can be found here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/88mRKBhc36/
[20:44] <akutz> falcojr: Holy snickers, really? That is awesome!
[20:46] <akutz> I was also wondering about the patch releases of the LTS versions that will have CI v21.3 baked into them. Or will they? I thought 18.04.6 and 20.04.3, for example, would have CI 21.3 OOTB, but I'll admit I don't know how the backports work for updates to LTS images.
[20:56] <akutz> Also, it looks like 21.3 is in the updates channel for those releases, not backports. Which is honestly better :)
[22:15] <ggoodman> @falcojr also, you asked about which cloud; this is on AWS vanilla EC2 w/ am 18.04.06 upstream AMI (with linux-aws-edge kernel)


[13:59] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +8354 cases, +43 deaths, +41698 tests (20.0% positive) since a day ago


[21:17] <hausmann> i have a laptop, what is wrong if i can see my wifi in windows but not in ubuntu? this happened when i restarted my router a few days ago, cannot see it in ubuntu at all even if i leave the computer on for hours
[21:17] <joar> Gnea: sorry, it didn't. with the keywords in quotes, it did.
[21:17] <nanonyme> Hey, any hopes of getting Grub2 2.00 from quantal to precise-backports?
[21:17] <bencahill> Hans-Martin: Sure. I've got five more days at home, it's my brother's server, and I just want to finish some stuff up. (I discovered that the anonymous function I used in a Yii app I developed on my laptop needed php 5.3, installed is 5.2.4). Life happens. :-(
[21:17] <Gnea> joar: okay, and can you pastebinit that list please?
[21:17] <joar> Gnea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1486169/
[21:18] <Hans-Martin> bencahill: ok, sounds like it should work. much easier than compiling...
[21:18] <Gnea> joar: lsb_release -r  <-- result?
[21:18] <joar> Gnea: 12.10
[21:18] <joar> gpm works like a charm, thanks for the tip Gnea :)
[21:18]  * Gnea is now thankful that I have not upgraded to 12.10 yet
[21:18] <Hans-Martin> bencahill: but you should be certain that there's nothing which would be incompatible with a newer php version. been bitten by this once...
[21:19] <markovh> do deb files come with apt sources?
[21:19] <jagginess> markovh, no
[21:19] <jagginess> markovh, .deb files are in apt repositories..
[21:19] <joar> I'll try removing (--purge) nvidia-*
[21:19] <markovh> sure? i'm seeing some sources in my /etc/apt/sources.d after i added a chrome deb
[21:20] <jagginess> markovh, in side .deb files are "dependency" definitions..  apt-get resolves these definitions
[21:20] <Gnea> joar: that probably won't help. which nvidia card do you have?  lspci | grep VGA
[21:20] <joar> Gnea: GTX 560 Ti
[21:20] <jagginess> markovh, apt-cache policy chrome<enter>
[21:21] <markovh> can they depend on packages that require additional sources then? it would make sense as i'm sure google want to keep chrome updated. if it didn't sure the chrome binary is installed non world writeable right?
[21:21] <joar> Gnea: VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF114 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti] (rev a1)
[21:21] <jagginess> markovh, you'll see it's not from the official debian repository.. real debian packages do not do that
[21:22] <markovh> jagginess: so yes they do then?
[21:22] <Gnea> ^.o
[21:22] <Gnea> joar: okay, that should be covered under the 270 driver, which is 185, which is what I use
[21:23] <anonymous_> happy new year from everyone at galliumgroup.net
[21:23] <jagginess> markovh, apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable <enter> would show 500 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages
[21:23] <DJones> anonymous_: No need to keep spamming that link
[21:24] <DJones> anonymous_: Advertising isn't allowed in the channel
[21:24] <remontees> banannée
[21:24] <Gnea> joar: could you please back out of aptitude and pastebinit this list: apt-cache search nvidia
[21:25] <joar> Gnea: I found a blog post via google in links2
[21:25] <remontees> Gnea pig
[21:25] <joar> it seems I just need the linux-headers-___-generic package
[21:25] <Gnea> remontees: oink
[21:25] <DJones> remontees: Do you have an ubuntu support question
[21:25] <Gnea> joar: well that's part of what you need
[21:25] <remontees> oink :D ?
[21:25] <joar> Gnea: which was not installed when I ran apt-get install linux-headers-3.5.0-21
[21:25] <Gnea> joar: you also need the actual kernel source for the *nvidia* driver
[21:25] <joar> for some funny reason.
[21:26] <Gnea> joar: okay, that's probably a good step
[21:26] <remontees> Bonjour FloodBot1 et FloodBot2 !
[21:26] <Apachez> is the 12.04 LTS installer SSD aware when it comes to alignment and such for partitioning during installation?
[21:26] <Catbuntu> Ok, Backup done.
[21:27] <Catbuntu> WIll delete the hoping crap tomorrow.
[21:27] <Catbuntu> Thanks for the support and good night, good morning or good afternoon.
[21:27] <Catbuntu> :)
[21:27] <joar> Gnea: it seems to be building the DKMS module
[21:27] <joar> yes
[21:27] <joar> it is
[21:28] <Gnea> joar: okay
[21:28] <joar> awesome, thank you for your hand-holding through this text adventure, Gnea, bekks :)
[21:28] <Gnea> Catbuntu: happy new year :)
[21:28] <nima_samieinia> joar : do you can switch to mode for nvidia driver installer
[21:28] <iceroot> Apachez: what should be the difference for an SSD and a normal HDD?
[21:28] <nima_samieinia> joar : the driver of repository maybe not drive your module
[21:29] <Gnea> joar: when X comes up, be sure to run something to verify that the 3D driver is working correct
[21:29] <Catbuntu> Happy new year to you too
[21:29] <joar> Gnea: as in GNOME 3?
[21:29] <Gnea> joar: yeah
[21:29] <joar> got that covered :)
[21:29] <Gnea> cool
[21:30] <Apachez> iceroot: gooling on ít gives that alignment will bring you higher performence and lower read/write operations for every block you which to read/write
[21:31] <nima_samieinia> apachez : i dont think so had a problem in installation maybe efi portion of new generation bios build a problem of handle the encrypted partitions
[21:32] <angs> what is the command to search a directory or a file on terminal?
[21:32] <joar> Gnea: and I'm up and running!
[21:32] <iceroot> Apachez: find
[21:32] <joar> Gnea: thanks again :)
[21:32] <iceroot> angs: find
[21:32] <Gnea> angs: well find for the directory and grep for a file
[21:32] <iceroot> Apachez: sorry wrong nick
[21:32] <Gnea> joar: cheers! :D
[21:32] <angs> thank you
[21:33] <iceroot> Apachez: the installer will use the normal ext4 options, you can change them by yourself but it the installer will not make a difference for SSD, USB-Flash, HDD (SATA, SCSI,IDE), SD-Card and so on
[21:33] <Gnea> find . -exec grep something {} \;
[21:34] <Apachez> I was thinking of the alignment stuff described in http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=256068 (among other places)
[21:34] <Apachez> the ext4 options are easy, just add discard,noatime,noadirtime  to the mount flags
[21:35] <iceroot> angs: you dont need grep. find directory -iname *.txt
[21:35] <angs> thank you iceroot
[21:35] <Gnea> iceroot: you need grep to search *within* files.
[21:36] <iceroot> Gnea: and where did he ask for file-content?
[21:36] <iceroot> Gnea: he asked for filenames
[21:36] <Gnea> 15:32 < angs> what is the command to search a directory or a file on terminal?
[21:36] <Gnea> "or a file"
[21:36] <iceroot> Gnea: and to search files containing the string "foo" i dont need find, i just need grep
[21:37] <Gnea> iceroot: precisely.
[21:38] <iceroot> Gnea: and he asked to search for a specific directoryname or filename, so there is no reason to use grep, just find
[21:38] <remontees> Ça en chie du ventilo !
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> there's aso locate
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> also*
[21:38] <MarchHare> Hello. Can anyone help me determine what's going on once and for all? I am trying to install 12.10 on a machine with an Nvidia 8500gt (an older model), and for the past several versions 11.10 and up, nothing seems to work "out of the box" like it's supposed to
[21:39] <Gnea> iceroot: please be sure to double-check how he asked the question. he did use the word 'or'. Therefore, he could have just asked: what is the command to search a file on terminal?   Think about that.
[21:39] <Gnea> angs: is that what you meant?
[21:39] <iceroot> Gnea: as always, the questions here a bad and not detailed :)
[21:40] <iceroot> MarchHare: and what is your question?
[21:40] <Gnea> iceroot: yes, there is a certain level of assumption that's taken. as long as the user was able to accomplish what they wanted to do, that's what's important. :)
[21:40] <iceroot> Gnea: yes :)
[21:41] <MarchHare> iceroot: Well, I can't figure out why the proprietary nvidia drivers won't work correctly. They used to.
[21:41] <iceroot> MarchHare: and "wont work correctly" means what exactly?
[21:42] <MarchHare> iceroot: Incorrect resolutions (not making the proper one available, either), screen scrolls slowly, nvidia utilities don't work correctly and throw exceptions, etc
[21:43] <jhutchins_wk> MarchHare: Does it autodetect or does it use an xorg.conf?
[21:43] <sw_> hi! our /var/log/auth.log is empty on a couple of our servers, has this moved somewhere else?
[21:43] <MarchHare> iceroot: I'd try to give you a better description of what's going on, but I have no clue what's breaking.
[21:44] <MarchHare> iceroot: Well, I think it's autodetecting and not using the xorg.conf
[21:44] <Rajvi> Hi, all
[21:44] <jhutchins_wk> MarchHare: See what you can find in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - sounds to me like the drivers from Nvidia are buggy.
[21:45] <MarchHare> iceroot: It likes to detect my screen at 1920x1080, but that has the scrolling issue. I used to keep it at 1680x1050 to deal with the scroll
[21:45] <jrib> sw_: still working here.  But check the setup in /etc/rsyslog*
[21:46] <jhutchins_wk> MarchHare: I have an intel board that does 1440xwhatever, but it has so much noise and artifacts I scale it back with xrandr.
[21:46] <remontees> pouet
[21:46] <sw_> jrib: all of our installs (should) be exactly the same, and it's working on 90%, but on some of our servers it's empty. I'll take a look, is there a file in particular I should check, or all of the rsyslog* ones?
[21:46] <Rajvi> Got a simple question : Everything fine on my laptop, however when I got to - " About this computer" it shows - Unknow for the graphics  display. Everything fine I am just curious.
[21:47] <jhutchins_wk> sw_: You'll probably want to make sure that more than one user has logged in to the system.
[21:47] <MarchHare> iceroot: There are a few lines towards the end "CRT-0:nvidia-auto-select"
[21:47] <nima_samieinia> i want point of programming for access direct to ext file system anyone exist for communication
[21:48] <MarchHare> iceroot: I did use nvidia-xconfig at one point, though
[21:48] <morfeo_81> hi there
[21:48] <sw_> jhutchins_wk: that could be a problem on some of the servers. but, if I remember correctly that file logs failed logins too?
[21:49] <mustafa> Hi! I would like to install ArgoUML for Linux Xubuntu 12. What commands do I need?
[21:49] <morfeo_81> How can change this? Every time I insert a usb mount the element in this folder /media/morfeo/ and not /media/
[21:49] <morfeo_81> happy new year!!!
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> sw_: Somewhat dependent on the configuration, but I think it does so by default.
[21:50] <jhutchins_wk> morfeo_81: That is so that you can access it.
[21:51] <jhutchins_wk> morfeo_81: Allows use of the system by more than one user, as in ltsp.
[21:51] <morfeo_81> <jhutchins_wk: ah ok
[21:51] <morfeo_81> <jhutchins_wk: ah ok thanks
[21:52] <mustafa> does somebody knows about ArgoUML?
[21:52] <mustafa> It's a tool for Software design
[21:52] <mustafa> for Software Engineering
[21:52] <Tex_Nick> MarchHare : i don't know if this will help, but you might have a look ... http://tech.sixcolumns.com/2012/11/nvidia-310-19-drivers-released-how-to-install-it-in-ubuntu-12-1012-04/
[21:53] <morfeo_81> Another question.. I want to mount a partition every time after boot automaticaly I change fstab like that /dev/sda5  /media/Data/  ext4 defaults 0 0 but my link at the folder do not work
[21:53] <maujhsn209> I just created a new liveCD! I have administrator privilages amd a password! Why do I get permission denied when trying to open "path/foldername/" in the nautilus  file manager?
[21:54] <jhutchins_wk> morfeo_81: Does /media/Data exist?  Does it mount if you issue the command manually?
[21:54] <mustafa> If somebody knows about ArgoUML, please contact me!!
[21:54] <nima_samieinia> mustafa : this is not compiled for ubuntu
[21:54] <dufa> maujhsn209: nautilus does not run as the superuser by default
  yes work but I have problem to acess from nautilus
[21:55] <jhutchins_wk> morfeo_81: What are the ownership and permissions?
[21:55] <maujhsn209> dufa Okay so what do I have to type out on the command line?
[21:55] <mustafa> nima_samieinia : what do you mean?
[21:56] <dufa> maujhsn209: first, are you actually trying to get to a file that requires super user privledges?
[21:56] <dufa> maujhsn209: if you are just run gksudo nautilus
[21:56] <maujhsn209> dufa Yes!
[21:57] <channel_> #phphelp
[21:57] <morfeo_81> jhutchins_wk>:can I set this on fstab..
[21:57] <maujhsn209> dufa Thanks!
[21:58] <dufa> no problem
[21:58] <morfeo_81> thanks
[22:09] <Blag> Hello?
[22:09] <dufa> hello
[22:09] <nima_samieinia> blag:hello
[22:09] <Blag> Hello.
[22:09] <William9455> Hi Blag
[22:09] <guntbert> Blag: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[22:10] <Blag> Is there a way to use Netflix in Ubuntu or lubuntu?
[22:10] <DJones> !netflix | Blag
[22:11] <Blag> guntbert: does this work in lubuntu?
[22:11] <kostkon> Blag, yes
[22:12] <Blag> Ok. Thank you.
[22:12] <rand> I have 12.04LTS installed, I don't like the desktop that comes with it, what do I install to get a regular gnome desktop? Thansk.
[22:13] <guntbert> !nounity | rand
[22:14] <rand> Thanks guntbert
[22:15] <nima_samieinia> ubottu : good stuf showed by you
[22:15] <nima_samieinia> tell  more trick
[22:15] <Tex_Nick> nima_samieinia : http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[22:19] <nosferato> Hi!! help! my mouse is acting wierd, it wont respond to clicks, then it will just minimize and maximize a program with each click
[22:19] <nosferato> its the built in laptop touchpad
[22:19] <tieinv> nima_samieinia, i perfer you ask me questions in the ubuntu main window
[22:20] <Noskcaj> does anyone know what the countdown on the ubuntu website is about?
[22:21] <Apachez> Noskcaj: mayan calendar take 2? ;)
[22:21] <Apachez> err second attempt
[22:21] <nima_samieinia> i want know about kernel and ext handle mechansim for programming to access to them
[22:21] <Noskcaj> Apachez, on ubuntu.com there is a countdown ending later today
[22:22] <jhutchins_wk> nima_samieinia: http://kernel.org
[22:22] <Tex_Nick> nosferato : you may have inadvertantly activated an accessibility feature with some keystrokes ... try hitting your ESC key
[22:22] <issa> hi from spain
[22:23] <nima_samieinia> better refrence module with doc
[22:23] <nima_samieinia> not a kernel document
[22:23] <compdoc> we really dodged a bullet on the Myan thing - you shouldn't kid around
[22:23] <Noskcaj> i think its a touch support update
[22:24] <ryancb06> is it possible in ubuntu 12.04 to move the unity bar to the bottom?
[22:25] <nosferato> Hi my wierd mouse freeze got fixed when I logged out and logged in. can anyone help me to prevent it in the future?
[22:25] <Tex_Nick> nosferato : you may have inadvertantly activated an accessibility feature with some keystrokes ... try hitting your ESC key
[22:25] <jrib> sw_: /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf is the one that mentions /var/log/auth.log here
[22:25] <nosferato> oh I see, thanks Tex_Nick , I ll try that next time when it freezes again
[22:26] <HAPPYnewYR2013> anybody ever have any luck getting bridged networking in win 7 virtualbox using 12.04 for the VM
[22:26] <nima_samieinia> nosferato : your bios have a usb support from 2 functionality one os support two bios support check the bios mode
[22:26] <jrib> sw_: note this is an upgrade so the configuration may have changed (or not :))
[22:26] <nima_samieinia> disable the synaptic pad in bios
[22:26] <Tex_Nick> nosferato : i've done that myself ... hope it helps
[22:26] <nima_samieinia> conflict of two mouse
[22:27] <HAPPYnewYR2013> so
[22:27] <jrib> sw_: and of course you should make sure that rsyslogd is actually running
[22:30] <nima_samieinia> any one recommend syslog server for modem log space
[22:31] <codephobic> hi
[22:37] <pablum> ok, i'm new to ubuntu.  but i used debian for many years...
[22:38] <pablum> i don't like the constraints of the gui...
[22:38] <pablum> but my preferences, i think, don't play well with it.
[22:38] <YouDreamOfJeanie> pablum: so, why did you change?
[22:38] <pablum> because it's on the laptop i'm now using.
[22:39] <topper4125> Changing the DE is very easy to do... which one are you interested in?
[22:39] <YouDreamOfJeanie> you do not have to use the gui you kmow
[22:39] <pablum> basically, i have always used focus follows mouse + lazy focus, and used shortcuts to move from window to window
[22:40] <YouDreamOfJeanie> I use shortcuts to move from window to window all the time - why can you not do that?
[22:40] <pablum> metashitty was pretty good for that...
[22:40] <pablum> i do, but...
[22:40] <YouDreamOfJeanie> you don't have to use unity you know
[22:40] <pablum> for example, how do you use a window that isn't at the top of the stack?
[22:40] <pablum> okay, that's good
[22:41] <k1l_> !notunity | pablum
[22:41] <YouDreamOfJeanie> I actually have assigned ctrl-1..ctrl-4 for my first four windows
[22:42] <pablum> k, thanks for the lead
[22:42] <topper4125> you can also change the way focus works in unity: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64605/how-do-i-set-focus-follows-mouse
[22:42] <pablum> ooh, before i jump, maybe i'll try that.
[22:42] <YouDreamOfJeanie> k1l_: how do you know what issues are covered in things like notunity that you just did
[22:43] <topper4125> pablum: keep in mind that was just a quick search... I haven't used unity any longer than it took to switch desktops to XFCE.
[22:44] <Tex_Nick> YouDreamOfJeanie : if i understand your question ... http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[22:45] <k1l_> YouDreamOfJeanie: if i got your question right: look at what Tex_Nick said and just seen that command here in the channel
[22:45] <pablum> well, i feel like i learned a lot.  thanks
[22:46] <YouDreamOfJeanie> k1l_: I do not see "notunity" there for example - so I do not think that is what I am asking
[22:47] <k1l_> YouDreamOfJeanie: try the search on that site.
[22:47] <topper4125> pablum: yer welcome. happy new year
[22:48] <Tex_Nick> YouDreamOfJeanie : top of page ... type "notunity" in search box
[22:48] <YouDreamOfJeanie> pablum: the one thing I would say is - persevere with unity for a little - it is different and so strange but you may get to like it - I did
[22:48] <Apachez> my google-fu is failing me... where can I find a manual entry regarding the "typical usage" option during partitioning when you install ubuntu?   http://workaround.org/sites/default/files/ispmail-lenny-install-partitioning3.png
[22:49] <YouDreamOfJeanie> Tex_Nick: ty - yep - I C it now - so how do you guys remember all that is there - this is so much?
[22:49] <Tex_Nick> YouDreamOfJeanie : i don't ... kll is GOOD though ;)
[22:50] <YouDreamOfJeanie> LOL - ty guys
[22:59] <codephobic> anyone recommend a guide for setting up a mailserver on ubuntu server 12.04 LTS? I'm running it in a VM at present but after testing, I want to run one on my home network.
[22:59] <MoL0ToV_> hi to all! someone can unban my host?
[23:00] <jrib> codephobic: help.ubuntu.com see the server guide
[23:01] <MoL0ToV_> please someone can unban my host?
[23:01] <topper4125> !mailserver
[23:01] <k1l_> MoL0ToV_: #ubuntu-ops is the channel for your request
[23:01] <somsip> MoL0ToV_: try #ubuntu-ops
[23:01] <MoL0ToV_> ok thx
[23:02] <codephobic> thanks
[23:03] <Tex_Nick> MoL0ToV_ : i seem to remember uesterday ... * MoL0ToV<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by IdleOne (read the guidelines again))
[23:03] <Tex_Nick> * IdleOne sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:03] <FloodBot1> Tex_Nick: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:04] <Tex_Nick> ugg ... i knew better ;(
[23:05] <dj_risso> svk???
[23:05] <topper4125> ehh... we're all guilty of that from time to time
[23:06] <asterismo> any ideas what about the banner in the ubuntu webpage?
[23:06] <MonkeyDust> asterismo  we assume it's for android
[23:07] <topper4125> asterismo: second runner up is the ubuntu phone... i have my doubts on new hardware though
[23:08] <dr_willis> i have my doubts on much of anything in this marketing hype->vaporware world. ;)
[23:09] <dr_willis> but im a bit biased after my experiences with AMIGA and Boxeebox. and other letdowns.
[23:09] <dr_willis> ;)
[23:09]  * pablum wants a dirigible frame, climbing ropes, and whimsical but completely useless furniture decorating his room...
[23:10] <topper4125> dr_willis: remember that fan you found yesterday? Here's a vid of it in use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoDVhunos6E
[23:10] <kwp13> exit
[23:11] <dr_willis> topper4125:  :) yea i was looking at my pc case.. and relized it was my OLD pc in the garrage that had all the huge-fans for airflow. anoher common thing years ago that seems gone away with better heat management in newer desktops.
[23:11] <dr_willis> Gotta love pc cases that basically are huge fans...
[23:12] <topper4125> and toasters... can't forget toaster drives ;)
[23:12] <dr_willis> Cigirette lighter drive bay covers...
[23:12] <dr_willis> Totally Clear Pc Cases. :) so you can see the Dust.
[23:13] <somsip> dr_willis: zero earthing...
[23:13] <dr_willis> earthing? You mean 'grounding' ? ;)
[23:13] <somsip> dr_willis: at 6am I could mean that, yeah :)
[23:13] <dr_willis> and poor rf shielding.. and kept in the heat. and a pain to work with. ;)
[23:14] <dr_willis> The days of custom case mods seems gone also.
[23:14] <dr_willis> unless you own a raspberryPi.
[23:15] <topper4125> yup nowadays its all about usb: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8a0f/
[23:15] <jhutchins_wk> Perhaps these musings could migrate over to #ubuntu-offtopic?   They don't seem to have much to do with ubuntu support.
[23:19] <chaospsychex> can someone help me figure out how to change my screen resolution to the maximum that my connected monitor supports ?
[23:19] <chaospsychex> 1024x780 is the highest i can select
[23:19] <chaospsychex> when it should be 1280x1024
[23:21] <topper4125> !resolution
[23:21] <chaospsychex> topper4125: lol, ok then let me rephrase the question...
[23:21] <chaospsychex> could someone tell me why my monitor's EDID is being incorrectly read ?
[23:22] <chaospsychex> topper4125: xrandr -q doesn't even show the resolution i want to use
[23:22] <topper4125> Part 5 of that link might cover that
[23:22] <machinarius> hey guys, anyone here has experience with NodeJS and a LAN? I've setup a small node webserver and i can *only* access it using localhost, whilst a rials server obund on that same port will work with no issues
[23:22] <Tex_Nick> chaospsychex : see what topper4125 posted ... it covers EDID
[23:23] <topper4125> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding_undetected_resolutions
[23:23] <jhutchins_wk> chaospsychex: Perhaps the driver for your chipset doesnt have the right modes.
[23:23] <chaospsychex> jhutchins_wk: how would i find that out ?
[23:26] <topper4125> chaospsychex: which video card are you using?
[23:27] <topper4125> chaospsychex: and monitor?
[23:27] <jhutchins_wk> chaospsychex: First I would read and try that page from the wiki.  Then you can use lspci to determine your video chipset, and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.org for errors and information.
[23:28] <Tex_Nick> chaospsychex : lshw -c display for display info
[23:29] <ztgu> does this linux project look safe: http://projects.flogisoft.com/asus-keyboard-backlight/    ???
[23:30] <sront> heyho, im running ubuntu 12.10 and my system doesnt give me the choice to install prorietary drivers. running a laptop with onboard geforce graphics and an intel i5 if that might have something to do with it. can somebody help me figure out why/how to fix that?
[23:30] <chaospsychex> topper4125: i managed to get 1280x1024 set and displayed but will I have to do this on every reboot? Are these changes persistent ?
[23:31] <sront> the graphics "card" is a nvidia geforce gt 325M CUDA
[23:31] <chaospsychex> does 12.04 have synaptic by default ?
[23:31] <daftykins> sront: sounds like an optimus laptop?
[23:32] <sront> msi fx-600
[23:32] <topper4125> chaospsychex: Part 6 of that link explains how to make it permanent
[23:32] <daftykins> sront: optimus is the nvidia technology where the laptop uses the intel embedded graphics, but can make use of the nvidia chip if you choose to. that doesn't work under Linux properly
[23:33] <sront> ah
[23:33] <sront> i see
[23:33] <sront> can i like, disable the intel graphics and force it to use the nvidia graphics?
[23:33] <Brunbook> because when I put the windows docky is small?
[23:35] <k1l_> sront: you can look in your bios for an option like that
[23:36] <daftykins> sront: i think installing the nvidia driver *might* force the nvidia one to be used all the time. i'm not sure. it might be worth you googling your laptop and linux to see what it does
[23:36] <daftykins> k1l_: doesn't work like that unfortunately
[23:36] <sront> ok, ty
[23:36] <vjoe> hey guys
[23:36] <sront> first bios, then googling laptop
[23:36] <vjoe> is the software center in sync with apt-get?
[23:37] <k1l_> daftykins: if you dont have a setting in the bios you cant force it driverwise, iirc
[23:39] <MonkeyDust> vjoe  software center is a front end for apt get
[23:39] <vjoe> oh
[23:39] <vjoe> like synaptic
[23:39] <vjoe> ok
[23:39] <vjoe> i haven't used ubuntu in years
[23:40] <FloodBot1> vjoe: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:40] <vjoe> it has changed loads
[23:40] <chaospsychex> yes it has....
[23:40] <chaospsychex> i miss synaptic
[23:40] <k1l_> you can still install synaptic if you want to use it.
[23:41] <MonkeyDust> chaospsychex  sudo apt-get install synaptic
[23:41] <Noskcaj> it comes with lubuntu by default
[23:41] <topper4125> !info synaptic
[23:41] <topper4125> still available
[23:41] <vjoe> i quite like unity actually
[23:41] <MonkeyDust> vjoe  i've started liking it, after i installed gnome-panel
[23:42] <vjoe> haha
[23:42] <vjoe> nice
[23:42] <vjoe> I am used to always use the keyboard. So with unity I just hit enter and type the program's name. :P
[23:43] <chaospsychex> MonkeyDust: gnome-panel ?
[23:43] <MonkeyDust> !info gnome-panel
[23:47] <chaospsychex> what happens to unity if i install gnome-panel ?
[23:48] <codephobic> it cries.
[23:48] <chaospsychex> codephobic: lol ?
[23:48] <codephobic> :)
[23:48] <codephobic> sorry, couldn't resist.
[23:48] <k1l_> chaospsychex: it doesnt interfer the unity
[23:48] <topper4125> chaospsychex: You can have as many desktop enviroments installed as you want... after install, log off, and on the login screen you can select your desktop
[23:49] <topper4125> to return to unity, simply log off select unity from selection, and log back in
[23:50] <isasha> Yo geeks
[23:50] <codephobic> are there any guides to teach you to develop widgets/apps for unity? I'm trying to learn c++ and I figured that developing small widgets would be something that might be a realistic goal in a few months time..
[23:50] <isasha> How do I fix a printer to stop 'processing' things and print instead?
[23:50] <isasha> It's driving me nuts :/
[23:51] <topper4125> codephobic: Try here first: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/ubuntu-developer-stack/widgets/
[23:54] <Tex_Nick> isasha : before something can be printed it must be processed ... be more specific with your question
[23:54] <codephobic> thanks topper4125, will have a read of that.
[23:54] <isasha> Well, it gets stuck on processing Tex_Nick
[23:55] <isasha> The first thing I printed, it worked
[23:55] <isasha> but then everything else that I tried, it just got stuck for too long to be normal
[23:59] <topper4125> isasha: don't know if this is going to help or not: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/lprm.1.html#contenttoc1 (odd that the page is (c) 2007-2011 Apple, Inc


[15:38] <Brian> what are some of the best tools for creating artwork for... say... dialog box layout, welcome screen box and what are the specifications?
[20:36] <thorwil> http://durian.blender.org/goodies/concept-art-dragons/
[20:46] <thorwil> ubuntu should _so_ have a vuvuzela start-up sound!!
[20:50] <hyperair> vuvuzela?
[20:53]  * thorwil looks at the rock hyperair is living under
[20:53] <hyperair> it's cosy here. don't you want to come in? =)
[20:54]  * thorwil prefers hos own rock
[20:55] <zniavre> http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.noe-nordberg.com/florian/cms/public/index.php%3Fcmd%3Dimage%26id%3D4&imgrefurl=http://www.noe-nordberg.com/florian/cms/public/index.php%3Fcmd%3Dsmarty%26id%3D14_len&usg=__gnrXwjj1nKs7OuKz0WPvPGqKIuY=&h=324&w=243&sz=19&hl=fr&start=12&sig2=89lADFB18ulFIlqIJ4gBnQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=FkuvOoFjuuqD-M:&tbnh=118&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvuvuzela%2Bsound%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=cn0a
[20:55] <zniavre> TMvgF8mI4Qa55ZSfCg
[20:55] <zniavre> ooops sorrry for that
[21:32] <kwwii> lol
[21:32] <kwwii> proving that nobody except thorwil and myself are watching footbal
[21:32] <kwwii> l
[21:33] <kwwii> hyperair: american or canadian by any chance?
[21:33] <hyperair> kwwii: malaysian.
[21:34] <kwwii> lol, well so much for cultural bias
[21:34] <kwwii> :p
[21:34] <kwwii> I'm american but have lived in germany for 15 years
[21:34] <kwwii> 15 years ago I would not have known anything about football
[21:34] <kwwii> now I do :p
[21:35] <kwwii> the vuvuzela is the horn that *everyone* attending the world cup matches in south africa are blowing
[21:35] <kwwii> they play a B or flat C note...really annoying
[21:35] <kwwii> very loud
[21:35] <hyperair> i'm chinese but have lived in malaysia for all my life ;-)
[21:36] <kwwii> that is how the world works :p
[21:36] <hyperair> i see.
[21:36] <kwwii> I have met so many people from so many parts of the world through ubuntu
[21:36] <kwwii> it is really amazing
[21:37] <kwwii> half of the people I meet say "I am from X but live in Y"
[21:37] <kwwii> for whatever reasons
[21:38] <kwwii> hey ian_brasil: haven't seen anything on the list lately...are there any art needs from your side we could help with?
[21:41] <ian_brasil> kwwii: hey kwwii ..we will just use the default plasma-mobile shell for now
[21:42] <ian_brasil> but thanks for the offer
[21:43] <ian_brasil> probably for maverick +1 we will want to modify the defaults a bit
[21:44] <kwwii> ian_brasil: cool, plasma is really easy to theme so if you need anything please let me know :-)
[21:58] <kwwii> night all


[15:11] <__dan__> having 100% repeatable kernel panic with an lsi megaraid card using megaraid_mbox driver
[15:12] <__dan__> tried with latest ubuntu precise kernel 3.5.x and latest 3.8.3 kernel from kernel.org, getting same problem
[15:13] <__dan__> also tried throwing some boot flags (pcie_aspm=off disable_msi=1) with no effect
[15:14] <__dan__> ran out of ideas :/ card is known good, working for years on win2003 server
[15:14] <__dan__> was wondering if this patch http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=5383 has made it upstream yet
[15:14] <__dan__> or sidestream or whatever
[15:14] <__dan__> heh
[19:59] <Jef91> So I'm trying to compile the 3.8 kernel sources from raring on Precise, it compiles fine on 64bit Precise, but on 32bit precise I get this compile error related to turbostat -> http://paste.debian.net/242346/ any ideas/suggestions?


[18:45]  * h00k waves to minnesota
[19:04] <kermit> h00k: leaving?
[19:10] <h00k> kermit: No, just a friendly greet
[19:11] <kermit> states love those, but they never wave back.
[19:11]  * h00k waves to #ubuntu-us-mn
[21:57]  * tonyyarusso waves back at h00k
[21:58] <h00k> tonyyarusso: hello, stranger!
[22:00] <tonyyarusso> h00k: you should do some MySQL merging work for me :)
[22:00] <h00k> drop table;
[22:00] <h00k> DONE!
[22:00] <kermit> is it possible to make linux be a USB device (as opposed to a USB host)?
[22:00] <h00k> wait, what?
[22:01] <tonyyarusso> I'm certain it's *possible*, but that doesn't mean I know how.
[22:01] <kermit> tonyyarusso: thanks
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> (Maemo is a USB device by default)
[22:02] <h00k> oh. like, a USB device that runs teh loonix
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> you could download the source package for the utility to convert it to host and reverse it
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> !info usb-modeswitch
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> oh, never mind - I don't think that's what you need
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> although, where the heck did our bot go?
[22:05] <h00k> it ran away
[22:05] <h00k> specifically, to #ubuntu-us-wi
[22:05] <h00k> I don't blame it :(
[22:06]  * tonyyarusso has had to re-request a bot for this channel like six times
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> but seriously h00k, do you know anything about databases?
[22:11] <h00k> a little, not a ton
[22:14] <tonyyarusso> hrm
[22:14] <tonyyarusso> I'm attempting to merge contact data from one database into another, but they have different schema, so mapping/converting is tricky.
[22:16] <Obsidian1723> database migrations never go easy.
[22:17] <tonyyarusso> nope
[22:22] <h00k> oooh...I've never hit that before
[22:26] <h00k> tonyyarusso: actually, you might have luck asking exigraff
[22:26] <h00k> he knows a lot of odd things.
[22:35] <h00k> tonyyarusso: uh, apparently I'm designated middle-man between you an exigraff, I have him on IM
[22:36] <h00k> " tonyyarusso: for what?"
[22:36] <tonyyarusso> lol
[22:37] <tonyyarusso> The database is for a political campaign I work on - volunteer / donor info.
[22:37] <tonyyarusso> !ping
[22:37] <tonyyarusso> yay
[22:38] <h00k> !info bastardtetris
[22:38] <h00k> d'aw
[22:38] <h00k> tonyyarusso:
[22:38] <h00k> exigraff: cool
[22:38] <h00k> now the formalities are over?
[23:28] <kermit> tonyyarusso: g_file_storage looks liek it does it, but i'll still need a USB crossover cable


[01:01] <codepal> afternoon
[17:49] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:06] <ajmitch> morning
[20:49] <ojwb> morning
[21:16] <ibeardslee> the other day I got a .pl server as the 'best' ubuntu mirror
[21:16] <ojwb> perl rocks!
[21:17] <ibeardslee> probably but I would have through it somewhat less than ideal as an ubuntu mirror
[21:17] <ibeardslee> thought
[21:17] <ibeardslee> sigh
[21:22] <Atamira> morning
[23:11] <chrismsnz> hihi