[05:03] <kinghat> i have a couple internal drives that arent set to auto mount when i login but they do. i renamed the file system on two of the drives and now they mount hidden. i can still browse them normally but i cant figure out why they are hidden and how to unhide them: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KP7vEVlN/image.png
 Hello! I was trying to connect my phone via KDE connect and I get the error : "Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying"  … I have the android counterpart installed and the firewall rules tweaked to allow traffic through the specified ports.  … I'd be grateful if anyone can help me out with this. Apologies if this has already been asked, kindly guide me to that thread as a search didn't reveal anything
[10:11] <hateball> srinivasg are they on the same subnet etc?
[10:11] <hateball> at least I think that was required at some point
[10:38] <hateball> hmmm, something is very broken with pulseaudio for me in 18.10...
[10:42] <hateball> it appears the breakage is in systemd starting pulseaudio, as if I stop it and start pulseaudio -D, everything works
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 @hateball - Yes, they are.
 @riidom, ok, thanks. I will have to research what that means next time I download a flatpak.
[16:24] <lolcat-007> hello, can i connect an iphone with KDE connect
[16:24] <lolcat-007> ?
 @lolcat-007, I'm reasonably positive you cannot do it, yet. This should give you some insights > https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/8swa2l/kde_connect_ios_support/
[19:14] <psidhu> is there any way to backport plasma-browser-integration to Plasma 5.12 (Kubuntu 18.04)
[22:13] <phoenixz> Is there any news on https://bugs.kde.org/398775 ? With all other bugs resolved, THIS very one makes me want to switch to fedora or something, its driving me crazy..   I have no idea how nobody has noticed this, but seriously, I cannot live without a clipboard and I wil not "right mouse click, copy" as that slows me
[22:13] <phoenixz> down to levels that spending time trying to learn Fedora would be faster.. Seriously, I love KDE, I loave ubuntu, but I cannot work like this and I have no idea how anybody can..


[00:03] <Javi> _
[00:03] <Alejandro-_-> hello
[08:22] <ara> good morning all!
[08:23] <primes2h> ara: good morning! :-)
[08:24] <ara> morning primes2h
[08:26] <primes2h> ara: I see that now there are LoCo team testing added to HOF.
[08:27] <ara> primes2h, yes, I will announce it today with a blog post :)
[08:28] <primes2h> But last week end I found out that we (Italian Testing Team) weren't added to ubuntu-it yet (an omission), so we did it 8 of  October.
[08:29] <primes2h> ara:  all tests done before that date are not present (e.g. earlier builds)
[08:29] <ara> primes2h, so, from now on you will be there in the top chart! :)
[08:31] <primes2h> ara: I hope to ;-) Is it possible to retrieve those tests about the Final Release? here they are http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/Casi/Svolti
[08:31] <ara> primes2h, I am afraid not, it is an automated script
[08:37] <primes2h> ara: pity, it took just 43 out of 74 tests.
[09:51] <Sulumar> Greetings
[09:51] <Sulumar> Can i help with something
[10:08] <Sulumar> anything to work on ??
[11:19] <Sulumar> greetings again
[11:27] <ara> hey Sulumar
[11:27] <Sulumar> Hi ara
[11:28] <davmor2> morning all
[11:28] <ara> Sulumar, right now things are going to go a bit slower, as we just released Ubuntu 10.10
[11:28] <Sulumar> noticed that
[11:28] <ara> Sulumar, but if you have a laptop, you could work on the Laptop testing program
[11:28] <ara> Sulumar, or SRU testing
[11:28] <Sulumar> out of luck laptop is broken
[11:28] <ara> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:29] <ara> SRU is a great way to help
[11:29] <ara> you can ask jibel if you have any questions
[11:30] <Sulumar> Ill fill the optional testing case for vmware first and than take a look at sru
[11:30] <jibel> Hi Sulamar
[11:30] <Sulumar> Greetings jibel
[11:31] <jibel> We just opened maverick-proposed and Stable Releases updates is a great way to help.
[11:31] <Sulumar> let me read that wiki page first
[11:32] <jibel> If you can help with stable releases testing you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[11:33] <jibel> The list of packages to test is available at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[11:34] <Sulumar> ok, just give me the time to check
[11:39] <jibel> Sulumar, some tests requires a specific hardware or setup but other are more easy to test in a standard desktop environment.
[11:39] <jibel> for example, bug 654981 simply needs to use empathy and ensure that there is no regression
[11:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 654981 in empathy (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "SRU empathy to <IP_ADDRESS> in maverick (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654981
[11:40] <jibel> or bug 657371 for netbook users, that you can use the guest session.
[11:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657371 in netbook-meta (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "Ubuntu Netbook Edition maverick doesn't have a guest session (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657371
[11:41] <jibel> The most important thing is to be sure that no regression is introduced and having a look at the patch can give some guidance.
[11:41] <persia> Um, no.
[11:41] <persia> The most important thing is verifying that one can reproduce the bug before, and can't after.  no regressions is #2.
[11:42]  * persia has seen a few -proposed uploads that didn't actually solve the problem, and very much hopes people are checking that.
[11:46] <Sulumar> ok but for now i only have a vmware as platforme to test on
[11:46] <jibel> persia, I kindly disagree. Users expect a reliable system, and any fix introducing a regression will be rejected. I agree that the patch proposed in a SRU must fix the original issue though :-)
[11:47] <jibel> Sulumar, most of the testing can be done in a VM.
[11:47] <Sulumar> good
[11:47] <Sulumar> count me in
[11:48] <Sulumar> ill start as soon as i can confirm the automated install for 10.10 in vmware
[11:48] <jibel> Sulumar, thanks for your help, that's much appreciated.
[11:48] <persia> jibel, I agree with your intent.  My priority comes because it's easier to prove a positive than prove a negative, so one can fail insufficient fixes faster than one can verify lack of regressions.  I'm more than happy to disagree about implementation if you prefer, as I'm confident there's no harm in multiple approaches towards the same goal.
[11:53] <jibel> persia, right, we also often reject insufficient fixes too. but because it's /easier/ to prove a positive, we - as sru testers - must be paranoid about regressions.
[11:54] <persia> Oh, I'm all in favour of paranoia :)  I just tend to execute the TEST CASE as a first step when beginning the verification.
[11:55] <jibel> persia, or prior to that, write the test case :-)
[11:55] <persia> Hmm.  I tend to do that wearing a developer hat, rather than a tester hat.  Maybe I'm creating a false distinction.
[11:56] <jibel> ara, Woohoo: 100% image and mandatory test case coverage \o/
[11:56] <ara> jibel, of course! :)
[12:00] <jibel> persia, because you're conscientious, but not every dev do that. just go through http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html and count real the test cases. That usually don't pass the sru sponsonship process though
[12:02] <persia> Few members of ~ubuntu-dev need sponsorship, so that filter doesn't help as much as we'd like.
[12:02] <jibel> indeed
[12:03] <persia> Maybe it's worth petitioning the SRU team to not accept anything into -proposed until it has a TEST CASE?  I think it's unsafe to expect the testing team to both write and execute the tests for a bug understood by the developer: we may end up testing the wrong thing.
[12:07] <jibel> I completely agree. If such SRU reach the testing stage, I usually reject them when the test is non obvious.
[12:09]  * jibel -> lunch
[12:12] <Sulumar> the advantages of a vm i can work on a clean system without touching my production
[13:07] <jibel> Sulumar, I use 1 VM per stable release, with one clean snapshot. This way you can test on a clean system, and when you're done with testing, you restore the snapshot.
[13:11]  * persia uses schroot for most testing (only works for stuff that doesn't require X/kernel/udev/etc. concerns)
[13:28] <Sulumar> I made a Template from witch i make linked clones
[13:28] <Sulumar> 1 per testing case if needed
[13:29] <Sulumar> so i can trash them if they get stuck
[13:53] <jibel> ara, do you think we could have 2 set of test cases for iso testing, one for LTS and one for the dev release ?
[13:54] <ara> jibel, yes, I think that's possible, we need to have a special install of the iso tracker as well
[13:54] <ara> like lts.qa.ubuntu.com
[13:56] <jibel> ara, could we do that before the next point release of lucid  and work on the test cases for natty separately ?
[13:57] <ara> jibel, when is 10.04.2 due to?
[13:57] <jibel> ara, 2011-01-27
[13:57] <ara> jibel, of course, that's possible. We can work on it together during UDS, is that OK?
[13:58] <jibel> ara, okay. thanks.
[13:58] <ara> jibel, added to my UDS TODO list ;-)
[13:59] <ara> jibel, what plans do you have for UDS?
[13:59] <ara> jibel, or, what plans do you have for Natty?
[14:00] <jibel> ara, For Natty ? nothing I'm working on stable releases :-P
[14:00] <ara> jibel, hehehe, for the Natty cycle, I mean/meant
[14:01] <jibel> ara, related to the test cases above or from a more general point of view ?
[14:01] <ara> generally speaking
[14:03] <jibel> ara, my main concern are regressions, we had a few during maverick cycle, and like to be able to design a tool to match the incoming reports with events like a new package published to -update or unusual flow of incoming reports.
[14:03] <jibel> ara, I'm working on a prototype.
[14:03] <ara> jibel, that sounds great :)
[14:04] <jibel> ara, the second thing would be to have a common overview of what's happening in the stable releases.
[14:04] <jibel> ara, currently the dev teams have there own lists, then we have the pending srus and the regression tracker
[14:05] <jibel> ara, I think it would be an improvement to have one common tool.
[14:05] <ara> jibel, indeed, it is always confusing to have several places you have to look to
[14:06] <jibel> ara, for instance you sent a link to the tool used by the server team, but the desktop team use something different.
[14:07] <jibel> ara, you don't even known if both team use the same selection criteria to identify the packages to work on.
[14:19] <Sulumar> do you know how to integrate Thunderbird with Maveriks messaging menu
[14:19] <Sulumar> ??
[14:25] <ara> Sulumar, I haven't tried it yet, but: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/how-to-add-thunderbird-to-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu/
[14:26] <Sulumar> allready got that but it doesent seem to work


[15:57] <greysky> Hello
[16:00] <elacheche> Hey greysky
[16:01] <greysky> Do you guys work for ubuntu from Tunis?
[16:01] <greysky> guys and girls :)
[16:02] <elacheche> We are volunteers.. and we are not from Tunis.. We are from Tunisia.. Tunis is a city not a country
[16:02] <greysky> Yes, I meant from the capital Tunis
[16:03] <elacheche> No.. We are not all from Tunis..
[16:03] <greysky> Are some of you based in Tunis?
[16:04] <elacheche> Yes.. Are you visiting Tunis?
[16:04] <greysky> Yes , I will be for a month soon and wanted to meet you guys
[16:04] <greysky> See what you do
[16:05] <greysky> I've been a user of ubuntu for a while. I studied computer science. Am looking to get back into the field
[16:05] <elacheche> Cool.. Where are you from?
[16:06] <greysky> UK near London
[16:06] <elacheche> You're not visiting Sousse or Monastir?
[16:06] <greysky> No Will be near Ariana
[16:06] <greysky> City centre life!
[16:06] <greysky> Well 15 minutes by taxi ;0
[16:08] <elacheche> I see.. Am not sure which members are @Tunis, maybe Neo31 and SalahMessaoud are working somewhere near to that area.. For myself am @Sousse.. :)
[16:09] <greysky> Ah ok Well if I come to sousse I will let you know :)
[16:10] <greysky> I will of course have to visit.
[16:11] <greysky> And Hammamet
[16:11] <greysky> Do the touristy stuff
[16:16] <elacheche> If you'll visiting Sousse or Monastir we can have a coffee :)
[16:17] <greysky> Cool
[16:28] <greysky> so no one in tunis right now?
[16:29] <elacheche> Don't think so :)
[16:33] <greysky> Ok I will be back
[16:33] <greysky> Nice chatting!
[16:33] <elacheche> ok
[16:33] <elacheche> :)


[11:56] <Lowas> Are there any light-themes for gnome-shell, gnome-shell-extensions, and ubuntu-session?
[11:56] <Lowas> GTK 3.24-GTK 3.26
[11:56] <Lowas> in ubuntu themes for gnome shell user-themes is not present


[06:40] <stupendousman> Hi everyone !
[06:43] <stupendousman> I would like to know if my idea on halfbakery http://bit.ly/d5GIVI was found usefull by the team for the new "getting physical" idea
[06:46] <stupendousman> I am excited as when posting the idea, I had thought it will take a really long time to get implemented.. and I will be seeing such ideas about 5 years in the future
[06:47] <stupendousman> well, implementing itself might not be that difficult, I hadnt expected major OS vendors implementing such ideas as core
[06:47] <stupendousman> so integrated into the OS
[06:49] <stupendousman> sorry, wrong link http://bit.ly/d5GlVI
[06:50] <stupendousman> ayatana seems to be a quiet place
[09:38] <stupendo1sman> anybody home?
[09:43] <stupendo1sman> when is #ayatana most exciting and active?
[09:45] <klattimer> stupendousman: when stuff is happening
[09:45] <klattimer> :)
[10:01] <stupendousman> klattimer: and when is that?? Any place I can get notified?
[10:02] <klattimer> stupendousman: what are you after?
[10:03] <klattimer> a bunch of people are in the us so it gets a little louder after 2/3pm
[10:03] <stupendousman> 2/3pm what time?
[10:04] <stupendousman> GMT?
[10:04] <stupendousman> klattimer: http://bit.ly/d5GlVI is what I am excited about
[10:05] <stupendousman> I posted the idea last year and the response made me think that OS guys wills tart thinking about it and we will have it in the next 5 years
[10:05] <klattimer> stupendousman: well, is there any code?
[10:05] <stupendousman> but looks like its gonna be possible much sooner
[10:05] <klattimer> gmt yes
[10:05] <stupendousman> nope. no code
[10:05] <stupendousman> halfbakery is a brainstorming site
[10:05] <klattimer> well, someone's gonna have to write it
[10:06] <stupendousman> not a good coder in those matters
[10:07] <stupendousman> Well, as you guys have been thinking in similar lines, I thought I pour in mine as well
[10:11] <stupendousman> to be honest, I have been feeling like a kid when I saw Ubuntu guys thinking in similar lines
[10:49] <Cimi> njpatel: did you test my branch of cairo mislignments?
[10:51] <njpatel> Cimi, not yet
[10:52] <njpatel> Cimi, did you fix the font colour of the panel text?
[10:52] <Cimi> njpatel: already in the menuitem branch
[10:52] <njpatel> okay, so it's fixed then, thanks
[10:54] <Cimi> I have only few regrets on the window decoration buttons njpatel
[10:54] <njpatel> Cimi, will take a look at the fixes branch as soon as i can
[10:54] <njpatel> Cimi, what regrets?
[10:54] <Cimi> njpatel: they don't look nice without the trough below
[10:55] <Cimi> so we can: 1) ship custom window buttons without the dark line around each button
[10:55] <njpatel> yeah, but the trough looks weird on the panel :/
[10:55] <Cimi> or add the trough
[10:55] <Cimi> chaotic: good morning dude :)
[10:55] <njpatel> Cimi, I don't mind custom buttons without such a dark line, but honestly I'm not finding it horrible right now, so it's a nice-to-have
[10:56] <chaotic> Cimi: hiya, good morning and how are you?
[10:56] <Cimi> chaotic: better :)
[10:57] <chaotic> Cimi: that's good
[10:57] <Cimi> njpatel: we want the best, we are not satisfied of something in between :)
[10:57] <Cimi> chaotic: on friday I have patched unity to refine the style
[10:58] <chaotic> Cimi: great
[10:58] <Cimi> and now my only doubts are for the window decoration buttons
[10:58] <Cimi> chaotic: could you please speak with njpatel 2 mins in order to give him your precious opinion?
[10:58] <chaotic> Cimi: sure
[10:58] <chaotic> njpatel: hi Neil :)
[10:59] <njpatel> About the win decs?
[10:59] <njpatel> chaotic, hey dude
[10:59] <Cimi> njpatel: sorry, window decoration buttons
[10:59] <chaotic> njpatel: hi
[10:59] <njpatel> chaotic, also, ChanServ is killing my auto-complete :)
[11:00] <Cimi> yeah, otto you should rename yourself in kaotic :D
[11:00] <chaotic> njpatel: ha
[11:02] <Cimi> njpatel: could you sshot the panel with a maximized window
[11:02] <Cimi> ?
[11:02] <chaotic> njpatel: are we referring to the window buttons in maxed windows - they look scaled at the moment
[11:03] <Cimi> chaotic: I have fixed it on friday
[11:03] <njpatel> chaotic, I think cimi fixed that
[11:03] <chaotic> Cimi: oh cool
[11:03] <chaotic> yeah - best if I can see a sshot I guess
[11:05] <njpatel> Cimi, not right now, I'm debugging a crash, sorry
[11:31] <stupendousman> what happens to all Ayatana stuff when gnome-shell becomes default in gnome-3.0?
[11:35] <Cimi> stupendousman: I'm not the right people to answer, but I don't think it will be so difficult to integrate all the indicator stuff into the panel (or whatever)
[11:36] <Cimi> the indicator stuff is quite flexible, if you can see it's easier to integrate an indicator than a statusicon
[11:38] <Cimi> at the same time all the windicator stuff will be independent
[11:39] <Cimi> and unity is a separate shell, a different solution to gnome 3.0
[11:40] <stupendousman> that does it .. now I am all confused
[11:40] <Cimi> confused? :)
[11:40]  * stupendousman settles down for some googling session
[11:40] <Cimi> gnome-shell is a "software like the gnome shell"
[11:41] <stupendousman> I just heard that gnome-3.0 is gonna have gnome-shell as default, and replaces window manager and panel..
[11:41] <Cimi> indicators are a new solution to gtkstatusicon
[11:41] <stupendousman> I come here and find there is somehting called unity
[11:41] <Cimi> yeah
[11:41] <hyperair> Cimi: i'm actually kinda interested to know what will happen to indicators really.
[11:41] <Cimi> but the window manager of gnome-shell is mutter
[11:41] <Cimi> hyperair: I bet they will be integrated
[11:42] <stupendousman> Cimi: sorry for wasitng time, I am a noob.. will do more homework before I come here
[11:42] <stupendousman> I think there should be a write up for people like me who think gnome=gnome-desktop+metactiy/compiz+gnome-panel
[11:43] <stupendousman> a dictionary perhaps
[11:43] <Cimi> gnome-shell is gnome-shell+mutter
[11:43] <Cimi> the shell manages the desktop and it is integrated with the window manager, mutter
[11:43] <Cimi> and integrates a panel too
[11:47] <Cimi> njpatel: is it easy to reduce the gap between buttons in the panel?
[11:47] <Cimi> (win dec)
[11:48] <Cimi> I didn't have a look yet
[11:48] <njpatel> Cimi, erm, probably, it's either done via padding or set-sizes
[11:48] <Cimi> ok because we need to make them closer
[11:49] <Cimi> njpatel: do you mind if we include the buttons in unity instead grabbing them from the metacity theme? In that way we could reduce the black frame around each button (chaotic too)
[12:45] <stupendo1sman> so what is the point of having two shells 1) unity 2) gnome-shell .. isnt gnome-shell almost doing the same as unity?
[13:02] <stupendo1sman> or the other way round, I dont mind
[13:05] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: gnome-shell is a gnome project, unity is an ubuntu project.
[13:05] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: but, they dea with different porpouses
[13:05] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you see to it that the two branches merged in this bug are released; https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/569273
[13:05] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 569273 in Application Indicators "memory leak in gnome-power-manager (affected: 59, heat: 329)" [Medium,In progress]
[13:06] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: unity is a shell that works good with small and widescreen devices
[13:06] <klattimer> I think the bug can be closed for now too, and a new bug for gtk menu should be opened
[13:06] <Cimi> stupendo1sman: gnome-shell doesn't
[13:11] <stupendo1sman> Cimi: okie. Finally I get it. though work will be duplicated, they solve  different meta problems
[13:12] <Cimi> kind of, yeah stupendo1sman
[15:27] <Cimi> didrocks: do you have a roomie for the sprint in orlando? :)
[15:35] <klattimer> tedg: is there a way of "hiding" an indicator applet
[16:03] <sense> good afternoon
[16:03] <didrocks> hey Cimi :)
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> hi klattimer
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> would you mind having a look at my comment here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/+bug/630239/comments/16 when you get some spare minutes?
[16:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 630239 in libgnomekbd (Ubuntu Maverick) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gkbd_keyboard_drawing_new_dialog() (affected: 50, heat: 242)" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:03] <didrocks> Cimi: I'll be with seb128 as I arrive the week before UDS, I think
[16:05] <sense> tedg or someone else: Can you build 'indicator-application'? If so, could you give me the build commands, because I cannot get anything to build on my system except for the unmodified results of 'apt-get source indicator-application'. Everytime I run ./autogen.sh or automake and autoreconf the building fails at the generation of the Mono bindings due to a regex not matching the new_label signal place holder.
[16:05] <Cimi> didrocks: ok because I need to find one, and I thought you were free (reading the wiki seb is with martin pitt iirc)
[16:06] <didrocks> Cimi: really? let me have a look
[16:06] <didrocks> it's always something I look at the last minute :)
[16:07] <Cimi> yeah but I was planning it right now :)
[16:10] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: yeah sure
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, thanks
[16:11] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: ah, sorry it's an invalid free by the looks of things
[16:11] <klattimer> I can take a pop at it now if you like
[16:18] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: do you have a bug report and I'll attach an updated patch
[16:18] <klattimer> I think this fixes it
[16:18] <klattimer> oh sorry, it was just on one comment
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, i've not created a bug report for it yet
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> the bug report i commented on is unrelated :)
[16:21] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: ok I have a new patch
[16:21] <klattimer> can I send you it somehow for testing?
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, yeah, sure
[16:21] <klattimer> I'm stuck on gnome-bluetooth atm
[16:21] <klattimer> whereto?
[16:22] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: ?
[16:22] <klattimer> email or what?
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> klattimer, yeah, e-mail is fine<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:24] <klattimer> chrisccoulson: sent
[16:24] <klattimer> can you email me back with any issues
[16:47] <tedg> sense, I think that you need directhex's branch to get things aligned right.
[16:48] <sense> tedg: OK, I'll look into that. Thanks.
[17:27] <oskude> yay! unity is pretty awesome, thanks!
[17:31] <oskude> is there a way to set the clock to 24h mode ?
[17:31] <jcastro> I believe there's a bug report about that somewhere
[17:32] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/579134
[17:32] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 579134 in Ubuntu Translations "The date and time indicator should respect the locale setting for time format (affected: 23, heat: 132)" [High,Triaged]
[17:34] <oskude> jcastro: thanks!
[17:37] <Cimi> jcastro: I need to be added to the canonical wiki, but I don't have access because I'm not an employee yet
[17:37] <Cimi> I will be there from the 19th till the 30th
[17:38] <Cimi> my roomie should be DidierRoche
[17:38] <Cimi> and the size for my tshirt is M :)
[17:38] <jcastro> Cimi: send all that to marianna please
[17:38] <jcastro> (just reply all to your mail)
[17:39] <Cimi> I was already in contact with marianna, I was talking about the wiki
[18:00] <vish> hmm , someone get mpt online!
[18:00]  * vish looks around..  who could physically poke mpt!
[18:04] <Cimi> vish: maybe no one
[18:04] <vish> yea.. right now , no one seems around from Milbank! ;)
[19:32] <sense> Merge request to add the new AppInd API additions to indicator-application has finally been filed: <https://code.launchpad.net/~sense/indicator-application/fix-608219/+merge/36048>.


[09:35] <juergh> ghavil: Mainline builds as well as the mainline-crack repo are special and different from the regular Ubuntu kernels.Basically, we pull from upstream whenever there's a new tag, then pull in the debian/ packaging files from the closest Ubuntu kernel, massage the configs, commit and tag (cod/mainline/<upstream_tagname>) and push to virgin/testing/crack.git. Then shove build requests into a build queue to trigger builds on remote machines
[09:35] <juergh> and later collect build results/artifacts and put them on https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline.
[09:41] <juergh> logs and summary.yamls give some more info on tags and hashes and what not.
[09:42] <juergh> All the scripts behind that: https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/+git/kteam-tools/tree/mainline-build
[09:44] <juergh> Note that we're in the process of migrating the mainline builds to a different infrastructure which seems to cause issues every once in a while. Like syncing tags to LP...


[19:12] <bazhang> stanchfoots 'advice' seems random and not helpful
[19:17] <bazhang> looks like the entire channel put him on ignore


[06:52] <locodir-user> hi I am new how can I move about?
[06:56] <YoBoY> hi locodir-user
[06:56] <YoBoY> you want to start a loco-team or your question is about something else ?
[06:58] <locodir-user> I want to know how to writer chinese characters with penpoer junior I have been using under mswindows
[06:59] <locodir-user> I got the driver for the application on a CD but could not have it installed in ubuntu
[07:01] <YoBoY> locodir-user: ok, you are not on a support channel (and I can't answer that). You need to join the #ubuntu channel, do you know how to join a channel on IRC ?
[07:02] <locodir-user> no can u help me?
[07:02] <YoBoY> yes sure, just type "/join #ubuntu" without the quotes
[07:03] <locodir-user> thanks
[07:03] <locodir-user> join #ubuntu
[07:03] <YoBoY> You should try also to search the ubuntu forums, the documentation and askubuntu.com
[07:03] <YoBoY> you missed the / ;)
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <bkerensa> Good Morning dholbach :P
[08:22]  * Tm_T says "woooo"
[08:38] <dholbach> hey bkerensa
[17:31] <saimanoj> hiii
[17:31] <saimanoj> please let me know if anyone is here....
[17:37] <YoBoY> i'm here
[17:38] <YoBoY> saimanoj: it's better to ask directly if you have any question, if it's just to talk you are welcome too ;)
[17:40] <saimanoj> hello, in Google+ the g+ page creation is made available
[17:40] <saimanoj> why not we create an Ubuntu Indian Loco team page in g+. Shall I create it, if others agree.
[17:42] <saimanoj> YoBoy: any objection for anyone.
[17:43] <YoBoY> saimanoj: you should ask that question on the ubuntu indian channel or mailing list, or directly to the loco contact or team leader of this loco team :)
[17:44] <YoBoY> saimanoj: http://loco.ubuntu.com/ << to find your team and all the informations to contact them if you don't already have that
[17:46] <saimanoj> thanks a lot.
[17:46] <YoBoY> But to respond correctly, yes your locoteam can create a G+ it's a good idea (my team and other teams already have create these pages ^^")
[17:47] <saimanoj> YoBoy: another doubt, Will all the loco teams have an irc channel. My loco team is unapproved.
[17:48] <YoBoY> there is no need to be approved to have a channel
[17:48] <saimanoj> thank you once again. You helped me a lot.
[17:49] <YoBoY> saimanoj: it should be #ubuntu-in I think
[17:49] <saimanoj> Clarified of all the doubt in my mind just the remaining task is to contact my loco team members.
[17:49] <YoBoY> yes :)
[17:49] <saimanoj> yes i found it. thanks for help.
[17:49] <YoBoY> you need help with that ?
[17:51] <saimanoj> I am on the IRC channel already, asked my question. If now one responds then what should I do? Is if okay to create the page to represent the team even without the acceptance of them?
[17:53] <YoBoY> try to contact the leaders or loco contacts of the team by email, it's always better in my opinion :)
[17:53] <saimanoj> Okay. Thanks.


[06:48] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:51]  * enyc meows oSoMoN
[06:51] <oSoMoN> hey enyc
[06:51]  * enyc wonders how close 21.10 desktops are to 22.04-to-be, anyhow!
[06:56] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:57] <duflu> enyc, by April the differences should be noticeable. But not today
[07:13] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:14] <oSoMoN> yeah, it's too early in the development cycle to see substantial differences
[07:23] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:27] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va?
[07:34] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:38] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme! et toi ?
[07:38] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:39] <duflu> seb128, certainly better than yesterday. How are you?
[07:39] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright, had a decent night :-)
[07:47] <jibel> good morning all
[07:48] <duflu> Hi jibel
[07:48] <seb128> lut jibel, en forme ?
[07:48]  * enyc meows seb128 slyon
[07:48] <seb128> hey enyc
[07:49] <slyon> o/
[07:55] <jibel> seb128, ça va très bien :)
[07:55] <jibel> hi duflu
[07:55] <seb128> jibel, do you know how we add testcases to the iso tracker?
[07:57] <jpnurmi> good morning
[07:58] <seb128> hey jpnurmi, how are you?
[08:01] <jpnurmi> hey seb128, i'm alright thanks :)
[08:02] <jibel> seb128, yeah, there are 2 steps
[08:03] <jibel> seb128, 1. update the test repo. 2. then run a script that publishes it to the tracker. It's usually done by bdmurray
[08:03] <jibel> seb128, let me find some info
[08:04] <seb128> jibel, thanks, that's already useful, I found https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/ now
[08:05] <didrocks> good morning
[08:05] <seb128> salut didrocks, en forme ?
[08:05] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va, je récupère petit à petit malgré des nuits toussotante :p
[08:05] <didrocks> et toi ?
[08:05] <didrocks> salut jibel
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, ça va ici, pour une fois une nuit sans réveil, ça fait du bien !
[08:06] <didrocks> héhé
[08:08] <jibel> seb128 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests
[08:08] <jibel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual/Writing
[08:08] <jibel> the doc is a bit outdated, the repo is git not bzr
[08:09] <seb128> jibel, thanks, I will fix the wiki on the way
[08:11] <jibel> seb128, then in the tools directory there is a perl script called qa_tracker_update.pl to do the publication
[08:20] <jibel> salut didrocks
[08:33] <seb128> jibel, didrocks, I fixed the ubuntu-desktop-installer snap build on arm64, it's available there in the store now
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: oh, excellent! Thanks :)
[08:36] <oSoMoN> seb128, la forme aussi!
[08:37] <oSoMoN> salut jibel & didrocks, good morning jpnurmi
[08:37] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:38] <jpnurmi> hey oSoMoN didrocks
[08:38] <didrocks> and hey jpnurmi :p
[15:02] <seb128> alright, rls bugs review?
[15:02] <seb128> kenvandine, jibel ^ around?
[15:03] <kenvandine> hey
[15:03] <seb128> :-)
[15:03] <seb128> k, let's do it
[15:04] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:04] <seb128> bug #1934439
[15:04] <seb128> I'm assigning robert to the other lines and untagging
[15:04] <seb128> bug #1949291
[15:07] <seb128> it's only a banner, I can understand the point but Ubuntu is an opensource project and not a commercial product so I don't think it's that problematic to have that hint a few times a year
[15:07] <seb128> kenvandine, any opinion?
[15:07] <kenvandine> not a bug
[15:08] <kenvandine> we shouldn't try to remove something the document foundation clearly cares about
[15:08] <seb128> right
[15:09] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:09] <seb128> one bug assigned
[15:09] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:09] <seb128> one assigned
[15:10] <kenvandine> drop incoming tag?
[15:10] <seb128> done, I changed to wontfix
[15:10] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:10] <seb128> bug #1945298
[15:11] <seb128> Marco did an upload, I will assign to him
[15:12] <seb128> bug #1948008
[15:13] <seb128> sounds like Darius is working on this one, I will asign to him
[15:13] <kenvandine> great
[15:14] <seb128> that's it for impish
[15:14] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <seb128> no desktop section
[15:14] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <seb128> several there
[15:15] <seb128> bug #1942789
[15:16] <seb128> seems like Alberto is working on that, I will assign him
[15:16] <seb128> the libfprint one is handled
[15:17] <seb128> the copy past to nautilus also
[15:17] <seb128> bug #1950174
[15:17] <seb128> going to assign that to timo
[15:18] <seb128> that's it for focal
[15:18] <kenvandine> great
[15:18] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:19] <seb128> no desktop
[15:19] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:19] <seb128> bug #918489
[15:19] <seb128> seems like mterry flagged that recently, I will check it
[15:19] <kenvandine> mterry!  :)
[15:20] <seb128> indeed!
[15:20] <seb128> bug #1938442 , seems like Till is reviewing
[15:20] <seb128> bug #1949970
[15:21] <seb128> I'm going to assign to Dan who did the other series
[15:21] <seb128> that's it for bionic
[15:22] <seb128> and I forgot hirsute earlier, unsure if we still should do it at this point but let's have a quick review
[15:22] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:22] <seb128> no desktop
[15:22] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:22] <seb128> nothing unassigned which isn't incomplet
[15:22] <seb128> e
[15:22] <seb128> and that's it!
[15:22] <kenvandine> yay
[15:22] <seb128> thanks kenvandine ;-)
[15:25] <jibel> sorry, I was in a meeting
[16:24] <KGB-0> mutter signed tags 7e60a86 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.4-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * mutter Debian release 3.38.4-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/3CEwd
[16:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/hirsute 4f5a760 Marco Trevisan * pushed 202 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/oQoF
[16:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/hirsute 50a4ee5 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ (202 files in 2 dirs) * debian/patches: Remove Input Thread backport patches * https://deb.li/36zr1
[16:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/hirsute 3566215 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/ control control.in * debian/control: Set breaks on gnome-shell 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/Ojij
[16:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/hirsute 4649b7d Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/libmutter-7-0.symbols * Revert "debian/libmutter-7-0.symbols: Sync as per symbols changes" * https://deb.li/3KzcR
[16:24] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/hirsute c44a94e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (88 files in 13 dirs) * Merge tag 'debian/3.38.4-1' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/vEhD
[16:25] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/hirsute b49f0e3 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series wayland-dma-buf-Add-support-for-DRM_FORMAT_ABGR2101010.patch * debian/patches: Add support for ABFR2101010 in v3d used by Raspberry Pi 4 * https://deb.li/3sAyz
[16:25] <KGB-0> mutter signed tags adb1ea8 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/40.5-1ubuntu3_21.10.1 * mutter Debian release 40.5-1ubuntu3~21.10.1 * https://deb.li/Ca2l


[04:07] <mgedmin> yay 17.04
[04:07] <mgedmin> at last wayland sessions load my ~/.profile and I can work
[04:08] <mgedmin> I'll have to get used to vim not having access to my clipboard :(
[04:21] <Menzador> darkxst and jbicha - Hi. You guys know me well, I used to be SonikkuAmerica. I knew amjjawad, who was one of the original Ubuntu GNOME people. Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all you've done to make Ubuntu GNOME a reality and I wish you all well as we become the vanilla Ubuntu release in 17.10 and eventually 18.04 LTS. :)
[04:36] <rohit403> sir, I want to upgrade from ubuntu gnome 16.10 to 17.04 pls assist me
[04:37] <mgedmin> have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME/Upgrade ?
[08:16] <BinaryMaster> Question: I installed gnome3 on my 16.04 install but have one problem. Can anyone tell me how to remove the launcher thing that is on the left of my screen (screen shot: http://picpaste.com/desktop-6URTuKqk.png) it is not the dock at least not the same one that comes up when you press the super key
[10:27] <alien2003> BinaryMaster: remove DashToDock extension :)
[10:28] <alien2003> Question: I upgraded 16.10 to 17.04 and Qt apps now look ugly. Anybody has this issue? Also how is QT5 theme set in 17.04 by default? What variable?
[12:25] <dylo> alien2003, do you mean kde applications? :o
[12:26] <alien2003> dylo: quasselclient I mean. It's qt5
[12:27] <dylo> ugly like how? no icons?
[12:27] <alien2003> dylo: doesn't match gtk3 theme
[13:17] <darkxst> hey jbicha
[13:22] <jbicha> darkxst: good evening
[13:23] <darkxst> security wise doesnt matter where the database is
[13:24] <darkxst> oops
[13:24] <darkxst> wrong channel
[13:25] <darkxst> I spent most of the day driving
[13:25] <jbicha> oh good, because I didn't have a database :)
[13:26] <darkxst> had a short play with the nvidia kms stuff
[13:26] <darkxst> not convinced it is actually working properly at all even with Igor's workaround
[13:27] <darkxst> I also can't work out if its meant to work? fedora have been working on wayland support, but Xorg did work previously
[13:27] <Menzador> Hey both of ya
[13:27] <darkxst> Hey Menzador
[13:28] <Menzador> For once we have almost all of the latest GNOME :)
[13:28] <jbicha> darkxst: if you've got bandwidth and time, maybe you could try Fedora 26 Alpha to see if things work any better there?
[13:28] <darkxst> Menzador, most of the core is there yes
[13:28] <jbicha> Menzador: howdy :)
[13:30] <darkxst> jbicha, will see how I go, I have bandwidth, and apparently a 12.04 partition I could install it on
[13:35] <darkxst> also wondering about the lang pack stuff
[15:42] <gmickelson> Hello all, I am trying to find assistance with an issue I am seeing on 17.04. I have a binary that is dependent on libssl.so.10 and libcrypto.so.10. This binary runs fine on CentOS 7 but I am not a big fan of running CentOS and would prefer a flavor of Ubuntu. When I go to run this binary, the system complains that the libraries are not in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/. If I create sym-links to the libssl.so.1.0.0 and libcrypto.so.1.0.0 called
[15:42] <gmickelson> libssl.so.10 and libcrypto.so.10 and run ldconfig the binary sees the libssl.so.10 library but fails to recognize the libcrypto.so.10 linked library. Anybody have any ideas on how to get past this? ldd shows that only the libcrypto library is missing so I'd like to get past this one hurdle. Thanks!
[17:08] <InventorTechie> Am I able to upgrade to 17.04 from 16.10 now?
[17:09] <jbicha> yes
[18:15] <InventorTechie> Sweet
[20:44] <janne_> hmm
[20:45] <janne_> does it safe to upgrade to 17.04 with these instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes
[20:46] <janne_> or does ubuntu gnome has its own way to upgrade?
[20:48] <janne_> oh i find one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME :D
[20:48] <janne_> sorry *)
[20:50] <JockeTF> Either is fine. :)


[00:04] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: pong, sorry you caught me while I was lunching. Whats up?
[00:48] <goddard> giovani is that a normal thing?
[01:02] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: o/ I just needed someone to sponsor and upload and you are the only one remaining at this time
[01:02] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: bug #768598 if you could please! Thanks!! :)
[02:20] <CrunchyChewie> anyone familiar with Fail2Ban?
[02:22] <CrunchyChewie> I want to configure it to use exim4 as the mta as well as to secure exim4
[02:22] <CrunchyChewie> and the documentation seems a bit sparse
[02:23] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, sorry, just now reading
[02:23] <smoser> around ?
[02:23] <smoser> publish_image_array=( "${publish_image_array[@]}" "${publish_image}" ) == publish_image_array[${#publish_image_array[@]}]="${publish_image}"
[02:25] <smoser> there are 2 dimensional arrays in bash now (i think) at least there are associative, so you wouldn't really have to stuff all into a ',' based delim and thn explode it
[02:27] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, it looks reasonable.
[02:28] <smoser> the only other main comment i would have is to trap sigchld and then kill the other pids and exit.
[03:50] <kindofabuzz> just did a fresh install of 10.04, did all upgrades. when I ssh into the server the welcome message still says "100 packages can be updated. 56 updates are security updates." another apt-get dist-upgrade gives 0 to be upgraded
[04:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: sorry went for dinner... and ok. Will look into the 2 domensional arrayts and traping sigchild and kill the pids
[04:25] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, you might be better off using some comand that does that sort of thing.
[04:26] <smoser> ie, dsh, or gnu-parralel
[04:26] <smoser> you feed them a group of commands to run and let them run them.
[04:26] <smoser> comma delimitng and splitting is probably fine.
[04:34] <RoAkSoAx> ok cool yeah i wanna look into gnu parallel too
[04:41] <goddard> i got something really odd going on.  When I login to my ubuntu server it displays the system information like normal but it has two sets of system information  and the second set is different from the first...whats going on? any ideas?
[04:44] <kindofabuzz> just did a fresh install of 10.04, did all upgrades. when I ssh into the server the welcome message still says "100 packages can be updated. 56 updates are security updates." another apt-get dist-upgrade gives 0 to be upgraded
[04:46] <goddard> so do aptitude update
[04:46] <goddard> aptitude safe-upgrade
[04:51] <kindofabuzz> goddard: that did nothing
[04:51] <kindofabuzz> well it found no upgrades
[04:54] <hylinux> hi, guys. one question for uec, what's difference between warlus and EBS?
[04:54] <hylinux> the warlus is just for image store?
[04:55] <hylinux> and ebs for user space storge?
[04:55] <hylinux> thanks so much
[04:56] <goddard> kindofabuzz odd always works for me
[04:56] <goddard> kindofabuzz i would reboot and try again
[04:57] <goddard> any idea when ubuntu is going to update its virus protection?
[04:57] <kindofabuzz> goddard: there are no updates at all. done them all. rebooted several times. still it shows that there updates on the little welcome screen when ssh'ing in
[04:58] <goddard> kindofabuzz yeah odd man I am getting two displays of information when I ssh in
[04:58] <goddard> one from yesterday and today
[04:59] <goddard> i dont know why either
[05:00] <kindofabuzz> goddard: yep, two messages here two. the first doesn't say anything about the updates but second does. something is broken
[05:00] <kindofabuzz> too*
[05:00] <goddard> ive been hanging around here all day hoping some one knows more about it
[05:01] <goddard> i have two servers and it only happens on one
[05:02] <goddard> on top of that i am getting some one trying to repeatedly login to random mail accounts on my server that dont exist
[05:04] <kindofabuzz> i'm researching all this now
[05:07] <kindofabuzz> it's actually printing it 4 times for me
[05:12] <kindofabuzz> goddard: found a fix. just delete or mv your /etc/motd.tail
[05:12] <goddard> kindofabuzz wow thats odd let me know what you figure ut
[05:13] <goddard> so its a bug?
[05:13] <kindofabuzz> i guess. just started after recent updates
[05:14] <kindofabuzz> goddard: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1734201
[05:14] <kindofabuzz> is where i found an answer
[05:15] <goddard> well atleast the resource usage is lower :D
[05:19] <goddard> kindofabuzz good man thanks for the info
[05:19] <kindofabuzz> goddard: np
[08:26] <foo> I just created a user, gave them a home directory, and I'm mainly giving them SFTP access. I noticed they can still view directories outside of their home via SFTP, any way to prevent this?
[08:29] <kthomas_vh_> y
[08:29] <foo> kthomas_vh_: that fo rme?
[08:29] <foo> actually, is there a way to just read a log of the files they'd open?
[08:29] <foo> that'd be fine
[08:30] <kthomas_vh_> y again
[08:49] <kthomas_vh_> wait,  are you the foo I know :) ?
[08:51]  * foo runs and hides
[08:51] <foo> nevermind :)
[08:53] <kthomas_vh_> well,  if you're the foo I know,  you deserve better answers :)
[08:53] <foo> kthomas_vh_: OHHH. ;) Actually, it's all good - I got it sorted. :)
[08:53] <kthomas_vh_> k,  good
[08:54] <foo> and yeah, it's good ol' foo, the only and only. /me does a dance
[08:54]  * kthomas_vh_ looks for bar
[08:54] <foo> separated at birth :/
[08:54] <kthomas_vh_> :/
[11:09] <eichi> hello, I have much problems with crontab cronjobs <10h and <10m. means. every time of day with only one digit (doesnt matter of I use 01 01 or 1 1) doenst work. someone has any idea? (other time like 10 15 * * * work without problems)
[12:17] <Blizzkid> Hi guys, I've created a udev-rule which calls a script under a certain condition in 50-udev.rules. This works fine. When I copy that same rule to 55-rd1000.rules, it's executed twice. What could be causing this?
[12:17] <Blizzkid> the rule is http://pastebin.com/At1P8KHa
[14:22] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:22] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ping
[14:23] <RoyK> hi
[14:23]  * RoyK curses
[14:24] <RoyK> insane packet loss from a netbook with 11.04 ... not a server question, really, but ever tried to ask on #ubuntu?
[14:45] <hggdh> jamespage: blueprint for Jenkins opened
[14:48] <www2> hi all i want to set a sudo login with the root password for securty
[15:18] <andygraybeal> what virtual network interface is best? e1000, virtio ?
[15:19] <smoser> virtio should be better than e1000
[15:23] <bau-> hi all, where can i get a ath.cx domain, or another free domain?
[15:37] <andygraybeal> smoser, thank you
[15:42] <b0gatyr> trying to edit file /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf with vim as sudo but it tells me "warning: Changing a Read Only File" what can be wrong?
[15:45] <bau-> b0gatyr, not sure but it could be means the hdd is full
[15:52] <orudie> how to find out which version of postfix I have installed ?
[15:55] <patdk-wk> postconf version
[15:55] <patdk-wk> postconf mail_version
[16:23] <JanC> bau-: for dynamic address hosts, see dyndns & such?
[17:01] <morb> Quick question; does anyone know why the -server kernel does *not* include r8168.ko (Realtek GigE LKM) when the .config *does* have it set to build...
[17:01] <pangrazi> I am having a problem with 10.04-LTS and multiple NICs using the same MAC
[17:02] <ScottK> Aren't MAC addresses supposed to be unique?
[17:02] <cloakable> Yes
[17:02] <cloakable> It's how ARP works, iirc.
[17:03] <morb> ja
[17:03] <david5345> I need to recompile asterisk into a deb for 8.04 and it has to have all the same options as the ubuntu repository asterisk ( dependencies, paths etc... )
[17:03] <pangrazi> exactly
[17:04] <pangrazi> and the macs show up as unique in Free BSD and the UDEV rules
[17:04] <pangrazi> but when I do an ifconfig i get the same mac for all 9 interfaces
[17:05] <morb> huh. no ifrename or macchange funk involved?
[17:05] <pangrazi> I have 4 broadcom nics on board, 4 intel e1000 on a pci-x card and 2 10GE on a myricom card
[17:05] <david5345> how might I do this ?
[17:05] <pangrazi> nope
[17:05] <morb> this is pretty much a fresh install?
[17:05] <pangrazi> clean install from scratch, added some packages and that is it
[17:05]  * morb interest piqued
[17:05] <pangrazi> all packages are up to date as of 10 minutes ago
[17:06] <morb> and tcpdump or monitoring externanlly confirms they're all using the same mac?
[17:06] <pangrazi> yes
[17:06] <koolhead17> hi alll
[17:06] <pangrazi> my cisco switches are freaking out seeing mac-address flapping
[17:06] <morb> no doubt
[17:06] <pangrazi> i removed the myricom card and rebooted to no change
[17:06] <morb> have you tried manually unloading/loading lkms?
[17:06] <pangrazi> no, i have not tried that
[17:07] <morb> rmmod, modprobe/insmod
[17:07] <morb> just for yucks
[17:07] <pangrazi> ill try that right now
[17:07] <pangrazi> i did reboot the server and do a cold boot as well
[17:08] <pangrazi> it is very strange that dmsg shows with the correct mac as well
[17:08] <morb> hm
[17:11] <pangrazi> well i just did the standard remove the nic you are using trick
[17:11] <pangrazi> excellent
[17:13] <pangrazi> i did have to install some unusual packages for the new version of Snort
[17:13] <pangrazi> this is supposed to be an IPS when complete
[17:13] <pangrazi> anyone have any suggestions other than a rebuild?
[17:14] <pangrazi> this isn't in production so I can do pretty much anything I want to it
[17:16] <pangrazi> and even if i do an ifconfig to force the change nothing happens
[17:16] <pangrazi> ifconfig still reports the same MAC
[17:16] <azeryu> hello ther
[17:17] <donvito-> System information disabled due to load higher than 1
[17:17] <donvito-> why i get this message?
[17:17] <azeryu> on my ubuntu pc i try to enable mod_rewrite
[17:17] <azeryu> i can't there is an error
[17:17] <azeryu> what to do ?
[17:18] <azeryu> for you the message is self explanary donvito
[17:18] <azeryu> " load high "
[17:18] <donvito-> what i need to do?
[17:18] <azeryu> you need to increase your sysconfig
[17:18] <azeryu> or kill process
[17:19] <azeryu> that's just an indication to manage well your system, that's not a big issue
[17:20] <morb> donvito-: nothing, it's just the motd displayed upon login. it does not want to add excess load to the system, so it's being nice and letting other processes take priority.
[17:20] <pangrazi> morb: i rmmod bnx2 and modprob bnx2 and now the broadcom nics have the right mac addresses
[17:21] <morb> pangrazi: hah! so something in the init chain is causing them to be reassigned, I'd take it to the mailing list because tbqh I've never heard of this occurring before, and it's not normal. (I've run several 4+ nic boxes before)
[17:21] <azeryu> well for my problem i try to setup an virtual host when i try to do sudo mod_rewrite aktivieren i got this error :  sudo: mod_rewrite: command not found
[17:22] <pangrazi> awesome
[17:22] <morb> azeryu: mod_rewrite is a module for most httpds.
[17:22] <azeryu> ok what i have to do ?
[17:22] <morb> it's something you alter inside the scope of your httpd's configuration
[17:23] <cortex_sk> azeryu: sudo a2enmod
[17:23] <azeryu> instead of mod_rewrite aktivieren
[17:24] <azeryu> not working
[17:26] <azeryu>  sudo a2enmod aktivieren
[17:26] <azeryu> ERROR: Module aktivieren does not exist!
[17:26] <cortex_sk> azeryu: sudo a2enmod rewrite
[17:27] <azeryu> enabled
[17:27] <azeryu> if i try mod_rewrite aktivieren
[17:27] <pangrazi> i guess i get to go step by step through my init to find out which one is hosing my nics
[17:28] <azeryu> sudo: mod_rewrite: command not found
[17:28] <azeryu> this is what i got
[17:29] <cortex_sk> azeryu: did you change something in your apache config files?
[17:30] <azeryu> nothing
[17:30] <azeryu> what option to check ?
[17:32] <shauno> why are you trying to run mod_rewrite from the command line?
[17:32] <azeryu> i just following a tutorial
[17:39] <Admin__> hi
[17:40] <Admin__> could you help me please how to install openmsn in ubuntu server
[17:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> Admin__:  uh... does that require a GUI interface?
[17:44] <Admin__> hi are there someone
[17:59] <mrroth> hi, silly question
[18:00] <mrroth> but how do I manage a bunch of ssh server
[18:00] <mrroth> a bunch of linux servers
[18:00] <mrroth> and unix, from my bash prompt
[18:00] <mrroth> like shorts, or simple ways to remote in to them
[18:02] <sarthor> Hi, i am getting some mac address and ip address incomple, while that ip address are not present, you friends can check my arp , /etc/netwrok/interfaces/, dhcp.conf here,    http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/597518/
[18:04] <Admin__> hi could you help me plea someone know to install nogios or openmsn in ubuntu server
[18:08] <mrroth> what the best way to manage a whole bunch of unix / linux server from the terminal (like ssh session and such)
[18:08] <mrroth> short cuts
[19:08] <pangrazi> morb: as a hack i put the rmmod and modprob commands into rc.local
[19:08] <pangrazi> such a hack but it is working for now
[19:26] <g0bl1n> any hint for this ? Can SSH to an AWS Ubuntu instance but can't SCP. Get a permission denied. Using scp -i /path/to/ssh_key -r local_folder user@server:/remote_path
[19:30] <deadsmith> ltipath
[19:30] <deadsmith> hey all...
[19:30] <deadsmith> Anyone have experience with a Promise vtrak running on 10.10?
[19:33]  * Daviey checks in
[19:33] <RoAkSoAx> /win 17
[19:33] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[19:37] <deadsmith> or multipath setup in general?
[19:38] <morb> pangrazi: at least you can continue working on other stuff until you find a sound solution / real fix! =)
[19:40] <mrroth> what permession do I set on a hidden folder with bookmarks I don't want anyone to see, but to still allow me to excute them via script
[19:40] <malev> hi there! I'm installing a FTP server with vsftp and I'd like to: when some one logs in I'd like to be placed in /sites dir is this possible?
[19:40] <mrroth> do I need to do chmod 400 /dir/
[19:45] <lenios_> malev, you're probably looking for chroot
[19:46] <lenios_> http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60
[19:46] <malev> lenios_, thanks!!
[19:47] <malev> lenios_, something like that, but I want chroot to be a common dir to all the users
[19:49] <lenios_> change home dir of users then, or search an option for this kind of chroot for vsftpd
[19:49] <JasonMSP> I'm trying to get a deeper understanding of symbolic links.  I have one setup for a webadmin program that links from the public_html folder to a share folder.  Permissions right now are rwx across the board.  Does this need to be the case?
[20:16] <hazmat> anyone understand where core files go in ubuntu-server? i see cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern -> |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c
[20:16] <hazmat> but its not clear to me what apport is doing with the core
[21:46] <CppIsWeird> im following this tutorial http://www.monkeedev.co.uk/blog/2009/03/06/setting-up-openvpn-in-debianubuntu/ when it gets to where it says "Just edit this with your network settings and execute it. You will also need to set it to create the bridge at boot time:"
[21:46] <CppIsWeird> does it want me to name the script bridge, move it to /etc/init.d, then run the command
[21:46] <CppIsWeird> update-rc.d bridge defaults
[21:46] <CppIsWeird> ?
[21:50] <b0gatyr> CppIsWeird: all is saying is to edit the script with your network settings then execute it and add the script to start at boot time with update-rc.d bridge defaults
[21:51] <CppIsWeird> k. i did something like that... :P
[21:54] <ejv> hi, im rsyncing (on the same server) a 43G directory with thousands of small files from one array to another, and im getting an error "ERROR: out of memory in map_ptr [sender]", there's *plenty* of available RAM, how do I fix this?


[11:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4497 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c): Don't show a resize grip on the panel.
[11:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4497 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/panel/panel.c): Don't show a resize grip on the panel.
[14:37] <cjwatson> oh bah, forgot, we need a ubiquity upload
[14:38] <cjwatson> I'll look into that now ...
[14:41] <ev> had one planned for today, but if you've got it, thanks
[14:42] <cjwatson> oh, right, debian/rules update was already running :)
[14:42] <cjwatson> anything else you want in it?
[14:42] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4498 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[14:42] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[14:42] <CIA-4> ubiquity: 1.115ubuntu1, choose-mirror 2.37ubuntu1, partman-btrfs 5ubuntu2,
[14:42] <CIA-4> ubiquity: partman-ext3 62ubuntu1, yaboot-installer 1.1.19ubuntu1.
[14:43] <ev> nope
[14:44] <ev> any thoughts on my question in #ubuntu-devel, by the way? (why didn't we use the desktop wallpaper for plymouth to limit the visual transition)
[14:45] <ev> slowly working through the workitem for showing plymouth between ubiquity and gdm, and it looks a bit odd, given the current arrangement
[14:45] <cjwatson> I'm guessing it made it *really really* obvious when the resolutions didn't match up
[14:45] <cjwatson> even more painfully so than now
[14:45] <cjwatson> but I don't actually know
[14:45] <ev> perhaps this just fell through the cracks?
[14:46] <cjwatson> not sure, AIUI the plymouth image we were given was deliberate
[14:46] <cjwatson> Scott or tseliot might remember
[14:46] <ev> indeed, I think my plan of attack will be to ask Scott when he wakes up, and potentially follow up with design@
[14:47] <cjwatson> bear in mind though
[14:47] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4499 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.5.13
[14:47] <cjwatson> that if you do that, it's going to look weird on the grub/plymouth interface
[14:47] <ev> can you elaborate on that? Are you referring to the aubergine hue given to the grub menu?
[14:48] <cjwatson> (a) grub potentially has a more limited colour depth (b) the desktop wallpaper probably won't look good in the event that the user shows the menu
[14:48] <ev> right
[14:48] <cjwatson> (because it'll be visually noisier)
[14:48] <cjwatson> I think we should probably have a different image choice for the plymouth-between-ubiquity-and-gdm case
[14:48] <ev> hmm
[14:49] <cjwatson> personally I'd rather that we think of the boot-time backgrounds as being coordinated rather than strictly identical
[14:49] <cjwatson> because they do sometimes have different things going on on top of them
[14:49] <ev> perhaps we could just leave the root window largely intact between ubiquity and gdm?
[14:49] <ev> good point
[14:50] <cjwatson> I thought there was a patch floating around somewhere to do kind of the opposite of what we do on dm startup
[14:50] <cjwatson> gdm preserves the framebuffer contents on startup
[14:50] <cjwatson> you want the other half of that, leave them intact on shutdown too
[14:50] <ev> so the reverse of -nr
[14:51] <cjwatson> (gdm> or X, I can't remember where the division of labour lies)
[14:51] <cjwatson> you'd want -nr plus something else for ubiquity-dm, and just -nr for gdm
[14:52] <ev> right


[00:20] <charlie-tca> Are you going to kick the xubuntu 10.04.02 images out this weekend?
[00:58] <cjwatson> skaet: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/dvd/current/ looks like DVDs to me
[00:59] <skaet> cjwatson, no i386...
[00:59] <cjwatson> skaet: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/lucid/daily/current/ - apologies for the somewhat confusing URLs, they make sense in a twisted way
[00:59] <cjwatson> huh
[00:59] <cjwatson> fair point
[01:00] <cjwatson> sorry, you did say that
[01:01] <cjwatson> genisoimage: Error: CD1/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.34-2.6.32-28-generic_2.6.32-28.27_i386.deb and CD1/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32/linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.34-2.6.32-28-generic-pae_2.6.32-28.27_i386.deb have the same Joliet name
[01:01] <cjwatson> Joliet tree sort failed. The -joliet-long switch may help you.
[01:01] <cjwatson> NOTE: multiple source directories have been specified and merged into the root
[01:01] <cjwatson> of the filesystem. Check your program arguments. genisoimage is not tar.
[01:01] <cjwatson> make: *** [bin-images] Error 1
[01:01] <cjwatson> dear kernel team, your package names are TOO LONG
[01:01] <cjwatson>        -joliet-long
[01:01] <cjwatson>               Allow Joliet filenames to be up to 103 Unicode characters, instead of 64.  This breaks the Joliet specification, but appears to work. Use with caution.
[01:02] <skaet> *wince*
[01:02] <cjwatson> 'linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless-2.6.34-2.6.32-28-generic' is precisely 64 characters
[01:02]  * cjwatson tries to divine what the likely breakage might be
[01:02] <cjwatson> we don't *actually* rely on Joliet much, I hope
[01:03] <cjwatson> Joliet is mostly for readability on Windows
[01:04] <cjwatson> we actually rely on Rock Ridge on the Unix side
[01:04] <cjwatson> so I think I'm going to switch on -joliet-long just for lucid, unless anyone objects
[01:05] <cjwatson> apw: ^- for future reference, please to be coming up with shorter package names. :-)
[01:07] <skaet> bjf[afk], ^^
[01:08] <skaet> cjwatson, will we need to rebuild the existing images?  (ie. should I mark them as rebuilding)
[01:09]  * skaet has posted server images
[01:09] <cjwatson> no existing images need to be rebuilt
[01:10] <cjwatson> if they built successfully, they're good from this point of view
[01:10] <cjwatson> charlieS: Xubuntu lucid images building now
[01:12] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks.  am breaking for dinner now.  will check back later.
[01:13] <cjwatson> fix deployed; lucid DVD i386 should rebuild after the Xubuntu bits
[08:18] <apw> cjwatson, as those are 'one off' names ie linked to the abi number i guess we can change them without issue
[08:19] <apw> will start some discussion on kteam as to appropriate alternatives
[09:30] <persia> apw, If you trim the first bit: e.g. linux-bp-modules-... or linux-new-modules-... you'd be safe, and get to keep the fun version tracking bits.
[10:36] <apw> persia, yep, didn't know we had a limit to worry about
[11:37] <cjwatson> persia,apw: though I think 'linux-backports-modules' may be in code somewhere.  the later bit would be safer to shorten, if possible
[11:37] <cjwatson> apw: nor did I :)
[11:38] <persia> pity.  That part seems the easier to shorten.
[11:38] <cjwatson> drop "compat-" maybe?
[11:38] <cjwatson> or shorten t
[11:38] <cjwatson> it
[11:38] <cjwatson> or wireless -> wl or wifi
[11:39] <cjwatson> the names are right on the boundary so even a single character shorter would remove the ambiguity


[00:11] <czajkowski> vadimck: hiya
[00:11] <czajkowski> they are no non lts cds about
[00:11] <czajkowski> as thats all that is given out now


[07:25] <ilmaisin> hello
[07:26] <ilmaisin> is there any change for libinput 1.9 making it to 18.04
[07:26] <tjaalton> chance? sure
[07:27] <tjaalton> whatever is latest in february-ish
[07:28] <ilmaisin> okay
[07:28] <ilmaisin> 1.9 is now released
[07:28] <ilmaisin> it is not yet in debian unstable though
[07:29] <tjaalton> will get there eventually
[07:29] <tjaalton> why?
[07:29] <ilmaisin> it's supposed to have quite big improvements for pointing sticks
[08:06] <tjaalton> okay
[08:07] <tjaalton> I bet there will be 1.20 with configurable hysteresis support by then
[08:07] <tjaalton> which will be a big thing for touchpads


[03:00] <jzacsh> might someone take a look at this post? I've no where else to post it, now that launchpad.net/ubuntu has its bugs locked down to process via `apport-bug` -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10359461#post10359461
[03:04] <micahg> jzacsh: you might want to ask on #ubuntu-server, but it would probably be better to file a bug against php5 for the first issue, not sure for the second
[03:06] <jzacsh> micahg: there's already a bug (mentioned in my post) on php
[03:06] <jzacsh> s/php/php.net/
[03:06] <atrus> jzacsh: why not just run 'ubuntu-bug <package-name'?
[03:06] <atrus> jzacsh: er, why not just run 'ubuntu-bug <package-name>'?
[03:06] <atrus> do it with one of those packages, then label it as effecting the other ones too.
[03:06] <jzacsh> atrus: which package?
[03:06] <jzacsh> php?
[03:07] <micahg> jzacsh: yes, but you said it's an ubuntu issue, therefore, we need a bug on launchpad for the server team to triage
[03:07] <micahg> jzacsh: php5
[03:07] <atrus> that's the best way to get the developers looking at it, and to allow the developers to ask you follow-up questions to investigate
[03:08] <jzacsh> i'd _love_ to have something on launchpad -- i just felt it defeated the purpose of apport-bug if i just bypassed it and mad ea wild guess without digging
[03:08] <jzacsh> but, i'll go right ahead and do that.
[03:08] <jzacsh> (i say this, because i don't thin kit has anything to do with php)
[03:11] <micahg> jzacsh: you should either talk to the server team in #ubuntu-server or file a bug
[03:11] <jzacsh> micahg: thanks
[09:45] <hrw> hi
[09:45] <hrw> can someoe mark bug 706838 as triaged? I confirmed it, assigned to me and know what issue is
[09:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706838 in gcc-4.4-armel-cross "Cant install gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706838
[11:26] <hrw> nevermind, marked as in progress
[14:32] <c2tarun> I want to work on bug 512761. I made the required changes in the source code, now what should I do?
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 512761 in empathy "“Subscription request” dialog is confusing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512761
[15:13] <c2tarun> I want to work on bug 512761. I made the required changes in the source code, now what should I do?
[15:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 512761 in empathy "“Subscription request” dialog is confusing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512761
[15:13] <paultag> c2tarun: send in a patch on the bug
[15:13] <seb128> c2tarun, hi, add your patch to the upstream bug
[15:13] <paultag> c2tarun: then add the have patch tag
[15:13] <c2tarun> how to do that :(
[15:13] <paultag> +1 seb128
[15:14] <paultag> c2tarun: make a patch?
[15:14] <paultag> yeah, that's empathy
[15:14] <paultag> c2tarun: send it to bugs.gnome
[15:14] <c2tarun> paultag: OK, is there any tutorial available on making patch?
[15:14] <paultag> c2tarun: man diff
[15:14] <c2tarun> ok
[15:14] <paultag> you can diff two directories, but i'd not do it that way c2tarun
[15:15] <paultag> make the change in their vcs and send a patch back, if it's git, otherwise do something else smart
[15:15] <paultag> git format-patch, or git diff
[15:15] <paultag> c2tarun: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Git
[15:16] <paultag> c2tarun: see bottom 3 points :)
[15:16] <c2tarun> paultag: I am very sorry to say, its my first time. Is there any detailed tutorial on how to fix bugs :(
[15:16] <paultag> c2tarun: have you patched the sourc ecode?
[15:16] <paultag> source code *
[15:17] <paultag> c2tarun: clone the repo, make your changes, run `git status', then `git add path/to/file', then `git commit', rebase the changes and send the patch to the bug tracker ;)
[15:17] <c2tarun> paultag: i just downloaded the source code by 'apt-get source empathy' and then made the changes in the source code and nothing else
[15:17] <paultag> c2tarun: ah, use git clone in this case :)
[15:17] <paultag> c2tarun: since you're not patching the ubuntu code, but the upstream devel source
[15:18] <c2tarun> sorry but what is git?
[15:18] <paultag> c2tarun: a version control system
[15:18] <paultag> !git
[15:18] <ubot2> Git is a distributed revision control/software code management project created by Linus Torvalds. For more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)
[15:22] <c2tarun> paultag: i tried to get more info on git by 'man git' but i got the message 'No manual entry for git
[15:23] <paultag> c2tarun: sudo apt-get install git-core
[15:23] <paultag> c2tarun: man git will work after that
[15:27] <c2tarun> paultag: git is a revision control system, what is the function of revision control system?
[15:28] <paultag> c2tarun: let's say you work on the code, who has the current version of the code?
[15:29] <paultag> c2tarun: if it's you, how can you show this? you can't. It's like keeping a directory of old versions in a folder, you can move around in them, and work on the code base without risking anything
[15:29] <paultag> c2tarun: it's to aid in collaboration and help avoid mistakes
[15:29] <paultag> c2tarun: you can learn more on wikipedia, want me to find the article?
[15:30] <paultag> nvmd, it's handy -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control
[15:31] <paultag> BBL
[15:40] <c2tarun> paultag: Ok, now I am getting little bit what is git. Can you please help me in using it?
[15:42] <JackyAlcine> c2tarun: Have you ever used a CVS system before?
[15:44] <c2tarun> JackyAlcine: nope
[15:45] <JackyAlcine> Hm, well, nonetheless I recommend you look at RabbitCVS.
[15:46] <JackyAlcine> It's a GUI frontend for GUI that integrates itself into Nautilus (assuming Ubuntu's your distro) and makes your life a bit easier with Git.
[15:46] <c2tarun> ok, let me try
[15:50] <JackyAlcine> c2tarun: You can find more information about it on http://webup8.org/
[15:50] <JackyAlcine> *http://www.webupd8.org/


[00:01] <ln-> Package: linux-image-2.6.15-51-686
[00:01] <ln-> Version: 2.6.15-51.64
[00:01] <BenC> that's not the one with the fix
[00:01] <BenC> it was fixed in 51.65
[00:01] <BenC> make sure you have all the latest updates from dapper-security
[00:01] <BenC> reboot, and retest
[00:02] <ln-> i do have all the updates from dapper-security...
[00:05] <BenC> either you're mistaken, or that upload has not been released yet...either way, you aren't testing the version that has the fix
[00:05] <BenC> I'm checking the upload status, give me a minute
[00:05] <ln-> thanks
[00:09] <BenC> ln-: looks like that upload is pending
[00:09] <BenC> ln-: kees would know more
[00:13] <ln-> do you think there's something wrong in ubuntu's "process," if a thing broken in Oct 2006 doesn't get fixed by Feb 2008, even if the fix is known and is trivial?
[00:15] <BenC> ln-: considering there's a work around and there is no data-loss involved, it's a rather trivial issue to begin with
[00:15] <BenC> ln-: kees handles security, so you really should talk to him
[00:16] <ln-> i'll try to ping him again tomorrow.
[00:25] <ln-> ... or why bother.
[00:27] <BenC> ln-: well, if there's is an issue with the process, kees would be willing to explain or possibly improve
[00:27] <BenC> ln-: I'm sure he would appreciate input, or being put on the spot :)
[00:28] <ln-> ok, i'll ping him then..
[00:49] <Kano> laga: somehow this kernel has problems to be used with live-helper
[01:04] <Kano> so something else is wrong..
[08:34] <kraut> moin
[09:13] <Kano> hi, current aufs in lum works for me
[09:13] <Kano> but
[09:15] <Kano> with standard ubuntu config (too many old legacy drivers) i get this
[09:15] <Kano> http://paste.debian.net/48033
[09:15] <Kano> which results in no dma for hdc
[09:16] <Kano> a pure libata kernel has no problem at all with it...
[09:18] <Kano> also, i see no reason to try blacklists on those 2 modules, debian has even bcm43xx completely disabled, you could do that too
[09:18] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185719
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185719 in linux "remove duplicate pci ids bcm43xx/ssb prism54/p54pci" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:18] <Kano> as soon as tools like discover are installed blacklisting does not work
[09:19] <Kano> hostap_pci is completely unstable btw. dont know why
[09:19] <Kano> p54pci works fine
[09:26] <Kano> did anybody try ath5k?
[10:16] <laga> hey juliank
[10:17] <laga> juliank: aufs doesn't work with nfs branches. it was complaining that i need to apply the lhash patch (and add the config option)
[10:18] <juliank> laga: Are you running the latest git kernel?
[10:18] <Kano> hi laga , well it worked for live mode, but you can add those ;)
[10:19] <laga> juliank: "latest" as in "pulled right after rtg committed your patches", yes.
[10:19] <laga> Kano: great :)
[10:19] <Kano> did you get the link in pm?
[10:19] <laga> yes
[10:20] <Kano> it has some problems shutting down, but before i got kde boot errors
[10:20] <laga> haven't tried it yet, i don't need live disks at the moment :)
[10:20] <laga> oh
[10:20] <Kano> you can use vbox or vmware to boot it too
[10:20] <juliank> laga: the latest ubuntu-hardy.git +  ubuntu-hardy-lum.git should work
[10:20] <Kano> you will see a huge difference when you boot with union=unionfs
[10:20] <laga> Kano: speed-wise?
[10:20] <Kano> then network-manager does not work
[10:21] <Kano> i dont get why the same kernel works on hardy with networkmanager
[10:21] <Kano> with unionfs
[10:23] <Kano> maybe somebody changed networkmanager
[10:23] <laga> my nick comes up #2 in google when you search for "unionfs sucks", so don't expect an answer from me
[10:24] <Kano> good point ;)
[10:25] <laga> note: i've changed my opinion since then. current unionfs is probably just fine with a vanilla kernel, but i guess i'll never find out :)
[10:25] <Kano> well not for me, with the test i did...
[10:27] <laga> juliank: the changes which have been committed since then are not relevant - except for the missing entries in debian/config/i386 which i added myself
[10:28] <Kano> i even had the strange issue with unionfs that in a vm a simple du -h /dir returned an error - a real pc did not have that error however
[10:28] <laga> odd.
[10:28] <juliank> laga: do cat /sys/fs/aufs/config
[10:28] <laga> unionfs doesn't work well with bonnie either. not sure what's causing that.
[10:28] <Kano> could never trace it why this happend, aufs worked
[10:31] <juliank> laga: what does not work? build or mount?
[10:31] <laga> juliank: mounting.
[10:31] <laga> juliank: i'm booting the VM now..
[10:31] <Kano> it builds, thats not the problem
[10:31] <Kano> do you want a sample iso?
[10:32] <juliank> Kano: You have an ISO?
[10:32] <Kano> of course
[10:32] <juliank> Kano: size?
[10:32] <Kano> with that kernel, but based on etch
[10:32] <Kano> live-helper created
[10:32] <Kano> until some other things are patched in u i will not use it
[10:33] <laga> juliank: CONFIG_AUFS=m, CONFIG_AUFS_FAKE_DM=y, CONFIG_AUFS_BRANCH_MAX_127=y, CONFIG_AUFS_SYSAUFS=y, CONFIG_AUFS_RR_SQUASHFS=y
[10:33] <laga> juliank: that's /sys/fs/aufs/config
[10:35] <laga> if fails with the error message: aufs test_add:357:exe[2033]: NFS branch is not supported, try some configurations and patches included in aufs source CVS
[10:35] <juliank> laga: I'm fixing it.
[10:36] <laga> juliank: great.
[10:36] <Kano> well you would need to patch+compile the kernel first to try
[10:37] <laga> patch what?
[10:37] <juliank> Kano: The Ubuntu kernel has the patches.
[10:38] <Kano> juliank: fine, then it should be easy to update just lum
[10:38] <Kano> a few seconds ;)
[10:39] <juliank> Kano: One variable name is wrong, that's all.
[10:40] <Kano> good, can update lum with ease
[10:40] <Kano> scripted ;)
[10:40] <juliank> laga: Do you have a build log of l-u-m?
[10:41] <laga> juliank: no, but i can make one real quick :)
[10:41] <juliank> laga: I'm building
[10:43] <juliank> laga: try to add KSRC=$(PWD) to the top of ubuntu/fs/aufs/Makefile and build it.
[10:43] <Kano> also could you enable aufs for powerpc too?
[10:43] <juliank> laga: I will send a patch soon
[10:44] <juliank> Kano: Soon.
[10:46] <Kano> did somebody have got no framebuffer support on amd64 live cd or is it just me?
[10:47] <Kano> i386 live cd has a splash
[10:47] <Kano> amd64 not
[10:48] <Kano> juliank: what do you think about a blacklist option for casper, i have that for kanotix
[10:48] <Kano> it writes to /etc/modprobe.d/custom-blacklist
[10:48] <Kano> before udev starts
[10:52] <laga> juliank: i don't think it's working
[10:52] <laga> same message
[10:52] <juliank> laga: I need a build log.
[10:54] <laga> juliank: http://www.pastebin.ca/884456
[10:55] <laga> juliank: here's the KSRC patch i added: http://www.pastebin.ca/884457
[10:57] <juliank> laga: rebuild with KSRC=$(srctree)
[10:58] <laga> am i supposed to use that string literally or should i expand srctree?
[10:59] <juliank> laga: as written. it's a variable
[11:05] <laga> oops. that's gonna take a few minutes, just deleted the squashfs image for my diskless client.
[11:12] <laga> juliank: ok. CONFIG_AUFS_LHASH_PATCH and friends were picked up properly, but i'm still getting that error message.
[11:12] <laga> juliank: ok. CONFIG_AUFS_LHASH_PATCH and friends were picked up properly, but i'm still getting that error message.
[11:13] <laga> juliank: i don't see a config option for the put_filp patch in sysfs
[11:13] <juliank> laga: /sys/fs/aufs/config
[11:14] <juliank> laga: output of grep '^.*[[:space:]]put_filp[[:space:]]vmlinux[[:space:]]EXPORT_SYMBOL' Module.symvers
[11:14] <juliank> ?
[11:14] <juliank> laga: sorry, typo
[11:14] <laga> AUFS=m, AUFS_BRANCH_SYSAUFS=y, AUFS_RR_SQUASHFS=Y, AUFS_SEC_PERM_PATCH=y, AUFS_SPLICE_PATCH=y, AUFS_KSIZE_PATCH=y
[11:15] <laga> i left out the CONFIG_ part.
[11:17] <laga> juliank: what do you need grepped?
[11:17] <juliank> laga: not needed. I know the problem now.
[11:17] <laga> juliank: great
[11:19] <juliank> laga:  the patch is at http://www.pastebin.ca/884477 -
[11:24] <laga> thanks, building now
[11:29] <laga> juliank: awesome, it's working.
[11:29] <juliank> laga: I'll send the patches to kernel-team
[11:29] <laga> juliank: great
[11:33] <juliank> laga: patches sent
[11:33] <laga> :)
[11:34] <laga> it takes 27s from power-on to having X loaded with aufs in my diskless environment
[11:34] <laga> that's very nice IMHO :)
[11:34] <juliank> laga: Could you try to use the rr flag for the nfs root? I need to know if this works.
[11:35] <juliank> laga: in the aufs mount options
[11:35] <laga> juliank: i'm not using nfs root, i'm using a squashfs root with a nfs share on top. still want it?
[11:36] <juliank> laga: your nfs root is specified in dirs= or br=, then yes
[11:37] <juliank> laga: s/root/share/
[11:37] <laga> ok
[11:39] <juliank> I always kill my ssh proxy because I close the window ssh is running in.
[11:40] <laga> juliank: well.. aufs does not fail, but of coruse the system won't boot because / is read-only :)
[11:41] <juliank> laga: that's good.
[11:41] <juliank> thanks
[11:41] <juliank> exit
[12:20] <Kano> laga: how about exporting it again via nfs and boot via network?
[19:14] <Kano> rtg: hi, didnt you say you remove the pci ids when i report the bug?
[19:32] <laga> Kano: i think if you increase the frequency of your questions it'll get fixed faster
[19:36] <Kano> rtg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/185719
[19:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185719 in linux "remove duplicate pci ids bcm43xx/ssb prism54/p54pci" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:37] <Kano> i dislike that idea with blacklisting
[19:55] <Kano> laga: best tell him that this change is needed, also you could forget the bcm43xx patch when you disable that module (same for prism54), debian disabled bcm43xx
[19:56] <Kano> bye
[19:59] <rtg> laga: so what does Kano think is wrong with blacklisting?
[20:03] <laga> i have no clue
[20:03] <laga> in that ticket, he says that it'd break if "discover" was installed
[22:25] <amitk_> rtg: what version of ALSA is in the stock kernel?
[22:26] <rtg> amitk_: dunno, some mix of 1.0.15 plus. I've removed it from the kernel for -6.10 and put it in lum (1.0.16rc2)
[22:28] <amitk_> rtg: aaah...
[22:28] <amitk_> rtg: are we updating to a newer version of alsa in lum?
[22:28] <rtg> amitk_: is that the sound of something stuck in your throat ? :)
[22:29] <amitk_> hehe
[22:29] <rtg> amitk_: I pulled ALSA this AM, so the version in lum is very current.
[22:29] <rtg> Its actually -rc2 plus 8 or 9 more patches.
[22:30] <rtg> amitk_: by the way, I'm still build testing... You mileage may vary.
[22:33] <crimsun> Jaroslav (employed by Red Hat now) anticipates releasing 1.0.16 final next Tuesday.