[12:14] <morghanphoenix> laters all
[12:14] <vegas> amarok does kick ass...can't wait for my media center pc to be converted over to linux
[12:14] <vegas> oh yeah, is there any way to make amarok support flac?
[12:15] <hatta> install libflac
[12:16] <vegas> k
[12:17] <vegas> i'll probably end up asking how to do that once i have the media center converted over
[12:18] <hatta> sudo aptitude install libflac7
[12:19] <dettoaltrimenti_> graft: reading these instructions, I have to write "for conffile in ..... ; do" and after I write the whole command, there's a long line of "bash: /etc/ndiswrapper/..... .conf: permission denied" - do you know what the problem might be?
[12:20] <graft> dettoaltrimenti_: yeah, you're not doing it as root
[12:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> sudo doesn't work- do I need to use chroot?
[12:21] <graft> dettoaltrimenti_: um, sudo -i, not chroot
[12:21] <dettoaltrimenti_> ok
[12:21] <graft> dettoaltrimenti_: type sudo -i, then run that for loop, etc.
[12:21] <JRH3K5> Howdy-doo.  Is there software that's like shoutcast, but for video streams?
[12:22] <hatta> vlc can do it
[12:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> graft: when I do that, it says "bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'do'"
[12:22] <JRH3K5> I found a tutorial that will get VLC to act as a P2P streamer - i.e., one instance streams to localhost, and then another receives it.
[12:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> graft: oh nevermind!
[12:22] <JRH3K5> But I want to be able to connect to the server from anywhere and stream video from it.
[12:23] <hatta> JRH3K5, can't you just point the remote vlc client at the same server?
[12:24] <JRH3K5> Hmm.  I tried connecting with WinAmp and WMP, but not VLC
[12:24] <JRH3K5> I'll see if that works
[12:28] <margis> hello all!!!
[12:28] <JRH3K5> The problem with using VLC is that it only acts as a client, not a server.
[12:28] <margis> i have a small question......
[12:28] <HymnToLife> margis, just ask
[12:28] <margis> i need a  programm to capture video from beryl
[12:29] <margis> i need   something  which  will dowload as     apt-get install "programm"
[12:29] <margis> any idea?
[12:30] <margis> kanenas  ellinas?
[12:30] <margis> no one?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> margis, ?
[12:34] <margis> yes
[12:34] <margis> i need  a  screen video capture programm
[12:35] <margis> any idea?
[12:35] <margis> is  help  chat  here  or  i must join another?  first time  here.....just 5 days  linux  user :)
[12:36] <SpAwN> hello all i installed pache and then installed the package php5 i then retstarted the web server but when i goto the site it trys to dl the php file instead of viewing it
[12:37] <margis> i searched  in google  and  i  got confused...
[12:37] <SpAwN> margis, try to use xvidcap
[12:37] <BluesKaj> margis, or  http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[12:37] <skarface> SpAwN: did you install libapache2-mod-php5?
[12:38] <SpAwN> skarface, ahh no..i just installed php5
[12:38] <margis> so i will   put    apt-get install xvidcap?
[12:38] <skarface> SpAwN: should do it for you
[12:38] <BluesKaj> !vnc2swf
[12:38] <SpAwN> skarface, sweet man thanks alot :-)
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vnc2swf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <SpAwN> OoO skarface its saying its already installed
[12:39] <Lam_> is there a way to regenerate fstab? i plan to remove a hard drive and replace it with a dvd drive and i want fstab to be configured correctly
[12:40] <BluesKaj> fstab can be edited i believe
[12:41] <skarface> SpAwN: not sure then. check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:41] <SpAwN> skarface, k cool thanks again :-)
[12:41] <Admiral_Chicago> everything can be edited on a GNU / Linux system
[12:41] <margis> i searhed in synaptic   and i got  nothing  bout xvidcap
[12:41] <margis> any other idea?
[12:42] <SolidSource> margis: you need a better sources.list
[12:42] <margis> do u have anyone?
[12:42] <SolidSource> !sources
[12:42] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:42] <margis> can u  upload  for me  one  in pastebin?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> err margis , do you have flash installed, then try this ; http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
[12:43] <margis> i have flash
[12:43] <SolidSource> margis: use this http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[12:43] <margis> but  i just see  that  i need a sources  list
[12:43] <BluesKaj> you don't alway shave to use the sources list
[12:44] <SolidSource> yeah, but its easier
[12:45] <BluesKaj> nothing worth doing is easy :)
[12:47] <SolidSource> thats just fools talk....plenty of things worth doing are easy, all you need to do is look
[12:47] <SpAwN> whats the diff between the apache and apache2 webserver?....i had apache installed and just installed the apach2 .....is there big differences?
[12:48] <flaccid> yes
[12:48] <flaccid> apache is apache 1
[12:48] <flaccid> apache2 is apache 2
[12:48] <flaccid> don't install both :)
[12:48] <flaccid> no big difference, but there is not much reason to use 1
[12:49] <SpAwN> ah
[12:49] <SpAwN> thanks flaccid
[12:49] <flaccid> np
[12:49] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, are you calling me a fool ...man yer quick to make personal judgments
[12:50] <flaccid> the best things in life are free
[12:50] <flaccid> like freenode
[12:52] <BluesKaj> it's free but ya still gotta do some works to get things working right
[12:52] <graft> um, apache 1 and apache2 are VERY different in fact, in terms of configuration
[12:53] <graft> feature-wise there's not a whole lot of difference, but transitioning from one to the other is a bit of work
[12:53] <graft> and if i'm not mistaken development is still continuing on both branches...
[12:53] <flaccid> graft: well for the person who hasnt used it, i'd say that don't need more than just serving...
[12:54] <graft> apache1 is definitely way more popular
[12:54] <flaccid> they both are
[12:54] <graft> i dunno if this is for ease-of-use or for historical reasons
[12:54] <flaccid> its because you don't need apache 2
[12:54] <flaccid> well i do for a few things, not that i can remember what they are
[12:55] <flaccid> i do dislike ubuntu's implementation of apaches
[12:55] <flaccid> but thats another story
[12:58] <BluesKaj> server eh,  what kind of files do you have stored in apache
[12:58] <flaccid> who me?
[12:59] <surgy> ok i did something to mess up my perfect mount
[12:59] <surgy> my hdd needs to be mounted i added it to fstab got it to mount, and now i cant enable it..... permissions are set, and well its got me freaking frustrated..... can someone help me start over from scratch on mounting it?
[01:00] <flaccid> !ntfs
[01:00] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:00] <flaccid> that guide is good
[01:00] <flaccid> for any fs types
[01:00] <flaccid> iirc
[01:00] <flaccid> if you cite me the error i can help
[01:00] <BluesKaj> !mount
[01:00] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:00] <surgy> its not an ntfs partition and i know the basics
[01:00] <surgy> flaccid: its an ext3 drive
[01:01] <SpAwN> hmm ive instaled apache2 and used /etc/init.d/apache2 start and it doesnt do anything....ive also removed apache and it still shows up in /etc/init.d/
[01:01] <surgy> im using qtparted and it seams to make the problem worse
[01:01] <flaccid> like i said
[01:01] <flaccid> its good for any fs types
[01:01] <flaccid> SpAwN: i think you need to purge the package
[01:02] <SpAwN> flaccid, i am purgin now
[01:02] <flaccid> sweet
[01:02] <SpAwN> k apache is gone and all i see is apache2...but its doing nothing :
[01:02] <flaccid> for an ext3 in fstab, you don't need any extra options.
[01:02] <SpAwN> roob@SeRvBuNtU:~$ /etc/init.d/apache2 status
[01:02] <SpAwN> roob@SeRvBuNtU:~$
[01:03] <flaccid> try that under sudo
[01:03] <flaccid> same result?
[01:03] <SpAwN> omg
[01:03] <SpAwN> im a dunce
[01:03] <SpAwN> wait
[01:03] <SpAwN> yes
[01:03] <SpAwN> same :/
[01:04] <flaccid> ps aux | grep -i apache
[01:04] <flaccid> or is it ps aux | grep -i httpd
[01:04] <flaccid> i can't remember if ubuntu renamed the binary
[01:04] <SpAwN> roob     30493  0.0  0.6   2880   836 ttyp1    S+   19:01   0:00 grep -i apache
[01:04] <SpAwN> nothing
[01:04] <flaccid> i would probably reinstall the package
[01:05] <flaccid> looks like something is fuxed
[01:05] <SpAwN> flaccid, yea...seems like it. ill try to purge the apache2
[01:05] <skarface> does php5 work with apache 1?
[01:05] <flaccid> yeah purge the fresh install of package
[01:06] <margis> helloo again
[01:06] <flaccid> hmm i can't remember sorry skarface. ask in #apache
[01:06] <skarface> well that was SpAwN's original question
[01:06] <skarface> his php5 wasn't working
[01:07] <SpAwN> skarface, well i didnt get it to...im now trying to follow a guide to set up apache2 and php and mysql
[01:07] <skarface> ok
[01:07] <flaccid> well his apache aint working at all
[01:07] <SpAwN> yea still nothing too...i purged and reinstalled
[01:07] <skarface> I see
[01:07] <SpAwN> :/
[01:08] <SpAwN> roob@SeRvBuNtU:~$ which apache2
[01:08] <SpAwN> /usr/sbin/apache2
[01:08] <flaccid> because of how ubuntu changes the apache implementation, i can't really think of where to start. used to unchanged apache. sorry
[01:08] <SpAwN> its there...but /etc/init.d/apache2 does nothing
[01:08] <flaccid> it could be the init.d script failing, try starting apache2 manually
[01:08] <surgy> what do you know flaccid, i remove my little add on to fstab reboot and its fixed..... man im so confused how that thing works lol
[01:08] <SpAwN> flaccid, just type like sudo apache2?
[01:08] <surgy> anyone here use simplebackup?
[01:09] <flaccid> surgy: the cool thing is auto and noauto in fstab. if you set noauto it won't mount on boot, but you can mount ad hoc by mount /mnt/point
[01:09] <flaccid> you may already of known that
[01:09] <flaccid> um /usr/sbin/apache2
[01:10] <flaccid> under sudo. does it need more command line options?
[01:10] <SpAwN> and yea its gotta be the init.d script.....sudo apache2 starts it.....but it STILL wont let me view the php page...it wants to dl it
[01:10] <flaccid> um you need to add something in the apache conf
[01:11] <flaccid> so .php is used with the php mod or cgi
[01:11] <SpAwN> crap. let me read the whole howto
[01:11] <flaccid> i think there is a package
[01:11] <flaccid> !lamp
[01:11] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:11] <surgy> flaccid: yes but im trying to use the entire drive as a fail safe type setup where my simplebackup program makes a complete backup to that drive that only kdesu simplebackup can touch and when its done nothing can access the entire drive, so if something ever happens i know i have safe backups of everything
[01:11] <flaccid> i guess its in that guide
[01:11] <flaccid> surgy: ok. so its all cool? i would look at the uid, ro and rw options
[01:11] <flaccid> and umask, gmask etc.
[01:12] <surgy> flaccid: yeah seams to be working, how long whould be a good estimate on a 30gb backup? on a 2.2ghz machine with 512mb ram on sata hdds?
[01:12] <flaccid> um no idea sorry hehe
[01:13] <flaccid> sata is fast so should be pretty good
[01:14] <siegfried__> I've burned http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso to a CD. I see there are other versions on a DVD. Does the CD version dynamically download the other files that won't fit on the CD like the debian CD does?
[01:14] <surgy> flaccid: yeah on a manual copy paste its about 30 mins for 8 gb...... so about 2 hours whould be logicle?
[01:14] <flaccid> sounds pretty good to me surgy
[01:15] <dwidmann> siegfried__: there's a seperate iso for the dvd
[01:16] <siegfried__> Oh yes. I'm wondering about all the files that fit on the DVD and don't fit on the CD. Where do they come from?
[01:16] <dwidmann> http://archive.ubuntu.org/ubuntu/
[01:16] <dwidmann> or wait
[01:16] <dwidmann> that's a .com, not a .org
[01:16] <margis> ii found  streamer
[01:16] <margis> but  i dont  know  how to  set it
[01:17] <dwidmann> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu - if you're lazy and want a link :P
[01:19] <margis> what is this?
[01:19] <dwidmann> what is what?
[01:19] <margis> the link...
[01:19] <coreymon77> can kaffeine play mp4s
[01:19] <coreymon77> ?
[01:20] <SpAwN> on apache not apache2 the configs where a bit different...i want to not display anything when the user enters website.com/ ...i only want it to display when they enter website.com/~user/ i was told to remove the index.html from /var/www/ and change in the config file make it -index ?......but the config looks different.
[01:20] <SpAwN> how might i do this in apache2?
[01:20] <dwidmann> Oh, that was for siegfried__, of course, I was too lazy to say that.
[01:20] <margis> i still need  a video capture programm
[01:20] <dwidmann> coreymon77: Yeah
[01:20] <margis> i tried all
[01:20] <hatta> mencoder?
[01:20] <dwidmann> depending on the codec anyway
[01:21] <flaccid> SpAwN: goto apache.org and read the how tos. you probably want a <Directory> statement with Deny from all
[01:21] <margis> ok...i will  make another question.....
[01:22] <margis> i saw  in  a shortcut  that  says     <super> <shift>
[01:22] <margis> waht is  super button???????
[01:22] <margis> what
[01:22] <dwidmann> Most likely the one with the not-so-super logo
[01:23] <margis> aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:23] <margis> xaxaxaxaxaxaxax
[01:23] <margis> cool
[01:23] <scribz> is there a cpu speed changer thing for kubuntu that'll replace the default powermanager ?
[01:24] <scribz> had to switch to gnome to get my cpu to run at full 1.2Ghz instead of 798Mhz
[01:24] <flaccid> sounds about right
[01:24] <flaccid> i thought acpi is reducing clock speed because it doesn't need it
[01:25] <scribz> yeah but is stays that slow when the system starts to do intensive things
[01:25] <scribz> bit annoying
[01:25] <flaccid> i'm not sure that its actually accurate
[01:25] <flaccid> i noticed that behaviour too
[01:26] <flaccid> cpu was definately being full utilised on my system. can't remember what i used to verify that. prolly a shell command
[01:26] <scribz> im happy though, after reinstalling my fans dont spin anymore, sweet silence
[01:26] <scribz> cpufreqd i think
[01:26] <flaccid> your fans don't spin?
[01:26] <scribz> nope
[01:26] <flaccid> isn't that bad?
[01:26] <scribz> not hot either
[01:26] <specialbuddy> has anyone here done anything with drupal?
[01:27] <flaccid> shouldn't fans always spin at least at their lowest speed
[01:27] <flaccid> especially cpu fan
[01:28] <scribz> mabye it's spinning *very* slowly
[01:28] <scribz> it used to make a horrible whiney sound all the time
[01:29] <flaccid> computers are whiney sometimes hehe
[01:30] <siegfried__> Thanks dwidmann. I'm new to ubuntu and xubuntu was great, but a little more compact than necessary. What do folks recommend for running openoffice, Gnu Cash and implementing a print server for a g85?
[01:30] <siegfried__> That is a HP g85 multifunction printer/scanner/fax.
[01:31] <flaccid> what is wrong with kubuntu?
[01:31] <scribz> folder open time ?
[01:31] <siegfried__> I don't know if anything is wrong with kubuntu. I don't see it at that URL dwidman pointed me to. (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/)
[01:32] <flaccid> ok
[01:32] <flaccid> then what is wrong with xubuntu ?
[01:32] <Biovore> siegfried__: something with atleast a 600Mhz Proc and 128MB of ram and 5 GB of HD (min)
[01:33] <siegfried__> Biovore, that is what I have on this old machine.
[01:33] <Biovore> siegfried__: should work..  Probably a bit slow..
[01:34] <siegfried__> flaccid, I was dissappointed that xubuntu did not come with openoffice or many other packages. I could install them seperate, I know.
[01:34] <flaccid> then there is no problem, correct?
[01:34] <flaccid> i mean if you want me to recommend something better. PC-BSD...
[01:34] <specialbuddy> what's the best vnc viewer?
[01:35] <siegfried__> Biovore, It is "Examining File Progress" and I have not specified a partition for it to install on yet. I hope it is not wiping out some partition I want to keep.
[01:35] <Biovore> PC-BSD is a good idea.. but it dies on alot of hardware :-/
[01:35] <flaccid> specialbuddy: krdc is pretty good
[01:35] <siegfried__> flaccid, no problem with xubuntu. I love it for live boot. For some reason, it boots where knoppix does not.
[01:36] <specialbuddy> thanks flaccid
[01:36] <flaccid> Biovore: so does ubuntu :p
[01:36] <Biovore> rgr
[01:36] <flaccid> its true
[01:36] <flaccid> we can't deny it
[01:36] <specialbuddy> flaccid, would you say that ubuntu is stable enough as a webserver
[01:37] <flaccid> specialbuddy: yes i would
[01:37] <flaccid> i have one ubuntu server atm
[01:37] <flaccid> otherwise its freebsd servers
[01:37] <specialbuddy> have you had a hard time using samba with ubuntu?
[01:37] <flaccid> nope
[01:38] <specialbuddy> I have
[01:38] <flaccid> most problems you run into with samba are incorrect configs.. need to learn it more
[01:38] <flaccid> particulary in mixed environments
[01:38] <specialbuddy> I used it with gentoo and I did the same thing with ubuntu and it didn't work so well
[01:38] <flaccid> i havnt found and tdb/sam or any auth issues in ubuntu
[01:38] <flaccid> yeah but why didn't it work so well
[01:38] <specialbuddy> IDK
[01:38] <flaccid> IDK ?
[01:39] <specialbuddy> I wrote the config files out the same as far as I know and just had problems accessing it
[01:39] <flaccid> what problems
[01:39] <defiant> Can someone please give me a hand with my nvidia card drivers. I installed them but I do not see the nvidia splash screen and my colors look weird
[01:39] <flaccid> like show me something specific :)
[01:40] <dwidmann> defiant: does glxgears run smoothly?
[01:40] <defiant> yes
[01:40] <defiant> but my colors still look weird
[01:41] <defiant> especially black
[01:41] <specialbuddy> it was a while ago when I used it but I was just wondering if anyone else had problems configuring it
[01:41] <dwidmann> if the colors look weird, it might sound kind of odd, but try disabling usplash
[01:41] <flaccid> im a samba junkie and yeah no problems
[01:41] <defiant> what is that I am a noob
[01:42] <specialbuddy> ok
[01:42] <specialbuddy> maybe I should attempt again
[01:42] <specialbuddy> it just seemed easier the first time I did it
[01:42] <dwidmann> usplash is the splash screen you see while booting, to disable it, open up /boot/grub/menu.lst (kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst), and there's something you need to change
[01:43] <dwidmann> There should be a line that looks like "#defoptions=stuff", within "stuff" should be "splash", remove the word splash and save the file
[01:43] <flaccid> specialbuddy: if you have problems again and can show what they are, show me or in #samba
[01:44] <dwidmann> then run "sudo update-grub"
[01:44] <dwidmann> and reboot
[01:45] <defiant> mine only says #defoptions-splah
[01:45] <defiant> *splash
[01:45] <dwidmann> leave it as "#defoptions=" ... just get rid of the word splash, that's the important thing here
[01:46] <defiant> now reboot?
[01:47] <bulwynkl> hi all, just having trouble with the systemsettings.
[01:47] <bulwynkl> when I go to admin mode, often the system will freeze -
[01:47] <bulwynkl> the systemsettings has a cild process '/usr/bin/kdesu --nonewdcop'
[01:48] <bulwynkl> that seems to hang.
[01:48] <bulwynkl> killing it returns the systemsettings to non-admin mode.
[01:49] <bulwynkl> random attempts fail or succeed without obvious reason.
[01:49] <bulwynkl> any hints?
[01:56] <donTaquero> I wish to change perl for activeperl into my linbox but I need help to do it.
[01:57] <donTaquero> Well, Exist any script to switch between perl and activeperl?
[01:58] <specialbuddy> what would be a good program for making a webpage
[01:58] <specialbuddy> ?
[01:58] <flaccid> kate
[01:59] <jarn> Is there a command line program to convert wma to mp3?
[01:59] <flaccid> !nvu
[01:59] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[01:59] <iamcalvo> specialbuddyQ
[01:59] <flaccid> !amaya
[01:59] <ubotu> amaya: Web Browser, HTML Editor and Testbed for Draft W3C standards. In component universe, is optional. Version 9.51-2.1 (edgy), package size 5331 kB, installed size 18364 kB
[01:59] <iamcalvo> specialbuddy: quanta
[01:59] <flaccid> !gemacs
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gemacs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <cpk1> jarn: I think ffmpeg will
[02:00] <flaccid> dang
[02:00] <flaccid> there is a few for your specialbuddy
[02:01] <CVirus> !adept
[02:01] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:03] <tarin> motd
[02:07] <CVirus> !universe
[02:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:35] <bob_> i'm looking for support on a couple of issues
[02:36] <bob_> first issue is simple - how do i change my nick?
[02:37] <Branded_Atom> /nick newname
[02:37] <bob_> branded - in this channel?
[02:38] <bobbicat> branded ty branded i found it
[02:39] <BluesKaj> another rogers cable guy on linux !
[02:40] <cpk1> canadian?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:40] <bobbicat> second issue is unmounted swap file in kubuntu 6.10
[02:40] <cpk1> maybe you dont need it =)
[02:41] <BluesKaj> edgy doesn't seem to the swap file if you have 1gig or more of memeory
[02:41] <BluesKaj> use
[02:41] <cpk1> bobbicat: do you have a swap partition?
[02:42] <bobbicat> how can i remount swap file it so it stays remounted and why did it unmount
[02:42] <bobbicat> cpk1 yup
[02:42] <cpk1> bobbicat: do you know what partition it is? /etc/fstab should say
[02:42] <bobbicat> cpk1 i'm a linux noob - a dos noob too
[02:43] <bobbicat> i think its hdb2
[02:43] <cpk1> better to make sure =)
[02:43] <jarn> What program will let me convert multiple WMAs to MP3s at the same time?
[02:43] <bobbicat> i'll see if i can find etc fstab
[02:44] <cpk1> bobbicat: also fdisk -l /dev/hd* will tell you all the partitions
[02:44] <bobbicat> i lost a load of personal files messin in dos
[02:44] <bobbicat> ok
[02:44] <BluesKaj> bobbicat, it's /etc/fstab
[02:44] <bobbicat> i'll use terminal - shakes with fear
[02:44] <cpk1> jarn: you can write a script for ffmpeg
[02:44] <BluesKaj> just use the runbox
[02:45] <cpk1> terminal is easy, just do cat /etc/fstab
[02:45] <hak0> hi people
[02:45] <jarn> cpk1: How would I do that?
[02:45] <hak0> does anyone have rebuilt kubuntu using apt-build ?
[02:46] <cpk1> jarn: do you know what command you need to do to convert wma to mp3 in ffmpeg?
[02:46] <bobbicat> it lists drives and partition but says it can't open them
[02:47] <jarn> cpk1: Isn't it just 'ffpmeg -i /path/to/file.wma /path/to/new/file.mp3'?
[02:47] <SpAwN> im trying to make it so when someone enters site.com it does nothing or at least say no pgae or somthing...but when someone trys site.com/~user/ it will work. ive added this to my apache2,conf but it seems to have no affect and still is listing the contents on /var/www http://pastebin.ulteo.us/440
[02:47] <cpk1> bobbicat: when you do fdisk -l?
[02:47] <bobbicat> theres no fstab folder in etc here
[02:48] <bobbicat> i'll try fdisk -l
[02:48] <SpAwN> bobbicat, fstab is a file not a foler
[02:48] <SpAwN> *folder
[02:48] <bobbicat> nothing on fdisk -l
[02:48] <cpk1> jarn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6034/ that *MIGHT* work
[02:48] <bobbicat> i'll look spawn
[02:49] <Branded_Atom> spawn, whynot make a "parking page" for site.com/
[02:49] <Branded_Atom> just a random index.html page
[02:49] <bobbicat> i got an fstab file and fstab.save file
[02:50] <SpAwN> Branded_Atom, i could but id rather do it the other way...i had it working with apache(not apache2) i now i have apache2 installed and the confs are all diff and i cant get it to work
[02:50] <Branded_Atom> so you "don't" want a blank page to load?
[02:51] <SpAwN> ive tried to make it not index the folder...but no matter what it shows everything in the folder
[02:51] <Branded_Atom> you want a 404?
[02:51] <SpAwN> Branded_Atom, yea
[02:51] <Lam_> what controls that cdrom icon on the desktop? i changed my fstab and i want my new dvd drive to appear via that icon as well as my old one. my old one still does it, but the new one doesn't yet
[02:51] <cj_> :D
[02:51] <bobbicat> i've got four entries for swap all on hdb3
[02:52] <Branded_Atom> if you make a regular index.html file, and make the site.com default resolve to it, it should not show the auto generated directory, but instead that index page
[02:52] <bobbicat> three say swap sw 00
[02:52] <cpk1> jarn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6037/ that should almost certainly work
[02:52] <jhutchins> SpAwN: Make a default index.html for site.com that's zero bytes.  You won't get an error, just a blank page.  Is that what you want?
[02:52] <hellcattrav> hi all
[02:52] <bobbicat> one says swap defaults 00
[02:52] <jhutchins> SpAwN: Or you could make it a list of possible hopepaegs for th users.
[02:53] <jarn> cpk1: Thanks. :D
[02:53] <SpAwN> hmm let me try this
[02:53] <bobbicat> and i see the umask on ntfs windows partition is 022 - i thought it should be 0222
[02:54] <SpAwN> the blank index.html made it so it doesnt list the contents of the folder
[02:54] <Branded_Atom> thats what you want right spawn?
[02:55] <SpAwN> basicly. i guess ill just make one that says somthing clever
[02:55] <SpAwN> instead of a blank white page
[02:55] <Branded_Atom> i don't know what you were looking for if not that?
[02:55] <cpk1> jarn: did that work for you? do a test with 3-5 files first to make sure it works correctly
[02:56] <jarn> cpk1: How do I run it?
[02:56] <SpAwN> Branded_Atom, well seince ive added theose 2 lines i put in pastebin in my conf my site.com/~user/ link no longer works...says Forbidden which is what i wanted to do....only not for the users....only for the /var/www......as the users files are in ~/public_html
[02:57] <cpk1> jarn: first, you need to edit it so it matches your information instead of mine then make it an executable
[02:57] <jarn> cpk1: Yeah.
[02:57] <jarn> cpk1: What do I edit? Just the directory names?
[02:57] <cpk1> jarn: yeah
[02:58] <jarn> That is this folder supposed to be: my $file= "/home/cpk1/Movies/SATC_Season1/"
[02:58] <bobbicat> can i edit fstab in kate?
[02:58] <jarn> Where it outputs to?
[02:58] <jarn> Er, what is, not that is.
[02:59] <underdog5004> anyone know what /etc/aliases.db is?
[02:59] <cpk1> jarn: umm sure, I did this a very long time ago =D perl is not known for its readability
[03:00] <cpk1> like i said jarn copy 5 files or so and do a test with them first
[03:00] <jarn> cpk1: How do I run it now that I've put in my information? Will something like "massconvert *.wma" work?
[03:00] <jarn> massconvert is what I named the executable.
[03:01] <cpk1> jarn: ./massconvert if thats the name of the file
[03:01] <cpk1> oh, you might need the *.wma
[03:01] <jarn> Well, it's in my bin, so I don't need ./
[03:02] <cpk1> yeah try massconvert *.wma
[03:02] <cpk1> i mkae no promises
[03:03] <jarn> Hrm.
[03:03] <cpk1> strict and warnings are on so it will probably say all sorts of junk
[03:04] <cpk1> if doesnt work try turning off strict
[03:04] <jarn> Okay.
[03:04] <cpk1> was there an error?
[03:04] <jarn> Yes.
[03:05] <jarn> And there still is.
[03:05] <cpk1> what is it?
[03:05] <jarn>  /home/jarn/andreas_music/converts/10: I/O error occured
[03:05] <jarn> It's having trouble with the spaces in the name, I think.
[03:05] <word> anyone know the device location for the cdrom drive on feisty?
[03:06] <jarn> Because the name is '10 Sun King.mp3'.
[03:06] <cpk1> jarn: does it says its encoding?
[03:06] <jarn> No.
[03:06] <jarn> Well.
[03:06] <jarn> The text from the script does.
[03:06] <cpk1> ok
[03:06] <jarn> But ffpmeg erros with that.
[03:06] <jarn> And doesn't encode.
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> word: it's in /etc/fstab
[03:06] <cpk1> so its an ffmpeg error?
[03:07] <jarn> Yep.
[03:07] <jarn> And yep, it's the spaces.
[03:07] <jarn> I renamed it with underscores and it worked.
[03:07] <cpk1> so my script works?
[03:07] <word> Admiral_Chicago: I'm asking because it isn't and i need to change it from hdc which I hope it's not...
[03:07] <jarn> As long as there's no spaces in the name.
[03:07] <Admiral_Chicago> word: hmm, not sure, maybe someone can answer in the Feisty support channel. #ubuntu+1
[03:08] <cpk1> well i dont name my files with spaces =)
[03:08] <jarn> How do I edit it to accept spaces?
[03:08] <jarn> I do. :P
[03:09] <cpk1> hmm good question, this was supposed to be a very simple script though =P
[03:09] <jarn> If you don
[03:09] <jarn> If you don't want to help anymore, I understand.
[03:09] <jarn> This was a lot of help.
[03:10] <cpk1> jarn: using search and replace before and after might work, give me a second here
[03:10] <jarn> I got it to work.
[03:11] <jarn> Only now they didn't encode right.
[03:11] <jarn> Actually, I think it's just the song.
[03:11] <jarn> Because one works.
[03:11] <jarn> And one doesn't.
[03:14] <Thrallie> o_O
[03:15] <cpk1> once again, problem with the script of ffmpeg?
[03:15] <snowrichard> hello
[03:15] <jarn> Hrm.
[03:15] <jarn> Actually, it's the script.
[03:15] <jarn> When I manually run ffmpeg on it, it works.
[03:16] <cpk1> doesnt work how?
[03:16] <jarn> Oh wait. I see what the problem is.
[03:17] <jarn> The file name had a ' in it.
[03:17] <jarn> And the way I got around the problem of the spaces was putting ' around the vars in the script.
[03:17] <jarn> It was not encoding one song, but I figured out why.
[03:18] <jarn> Don't know how to fix it, but I know why.
[03:18] <cpk1> i thought i already had quotes...
[03:18] <cpk1> use double quotes
[03:18] <jarn> system("ffmpeg -i ""$file"" ""$tmp""");
[03:18] <jarn> Like that?
[03:19] <Thrallie> http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/4/4f/Jewbuntu.png/400px-Jewbuntu.png
[03:19] <jarn> At first there was nothing there.
[03:19] <cpk1> jarn: or you could just use krename to change the spaces to _ and then after encoding change the _ to spaces, double quotes as in "
[03:19] <cpk1> so "$file"
[03:20] <jarn> cpk1: That gives a syntax error.
[03:20] <cpk1> jarn: is strict on?
[03:20] <jarn> cpk1: No.
[03:21] <cpk1> bah
[03:21] <cpk1> well using krename I think is an easy and viable solution
[03:22] <jarn> cpk1: Okay.
[03:22] <jarn> cpk1: Thanks.
[03:22] <cpk1> you can tell it to find   and replace it with _ and then afterwards tell it to replace _ with
[03:22] <cpk1> so you will be able to mass rename quickly
[03:23] <cpk1> jarn: sorry the script wasnt *as* useful but I avoid spaces like the plague because its annoying having to use \ all the time, and I didnt make it to share with the world ya know +p
[03:23] <jarn> cpk1: No biggie. Thanks a lot!
[03:24] <jarn> cpk1: I avoid spaces in all but the names of my music.
[03:24] <jarn> cpk1: But \ never bothers me because I autocomplete everything. :P
[03:24] <cpk1> when you have alot that start similarly you need to type it out =(
[03:25] <cpk1> jarn: but i think krename still keeps it all really automated right? so you wont get slowed down too much there
[03:25] <jarn> cpk1: Indeed.
[03:26] <cpk1> just happy my script worked, I was using it to convert stuff to ntsc-dvd format but thankfully hardly anything needs to be changed to switch it to wma-mp3
[03:26] <jarn> cpk1: Some of them give stream erros, which is a shame, but that's ffmpeg, not your script.
[03:27] <jarn> cpk1: Thanks a lot. :D
[03:29] <cpk1> ffmpeg is simply the easiest app i know that does most everything media related, there are most likely others out there that dont try to do as much and might be better suited for your case jarn
[03:30] <jarn> cpk1: Do you know what this error is? This is the error I get:  overflow in spectral RLE, ignoring Error while decoding stream #0.0
[03:30] <margis> can i play  lineage on kubuntu?
[03:31] <margis> which other  games i can?
[03:31] <margis> any link with list?
[03:31] <Jucato> !games
[03:31] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[03:31] <cpk1> jarn: does it error out or keep going?
[03:32] <jarn> cpk1: The rest encode, that one doesn't. There were a few that did that. I may just do this in Windows, Windows SHOULD be able to handle wma. :P
[03:32] <flaccid> ciao
[03:33] <margis> any mmorpg  for  linux?
[03:33] <Jucato> afaik, you can play WoW and Guild Wars. not really sure
[03:34] <cpk1> wow should be really easy
[03:34] <margis> guild wars? what is this? is it good?
[03:35] <Jucato> margis: Google it :)
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> it's supposed to be very good
[03:36] <jarn> Guild Wars is awesome.
[03:36] <margis> link?
[03:37] <cpk1> i have guild wars lying around somewhere...
[03:37] <cpk1> it works well on wine?
[03:37] <margis> ok i found it
[03:37] <jarn> It works VERY well in Wine.
[03:37] <margis> it  is  commercial? i must  pay?   any free  servers?
[03:37] <jarn> It's not pay per month.
[03:37] <jarn> But it is commercial.
[03:37] <jarn> You buy it but then you have it for life.
[03:38] <jarn> cpk1: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283122
[03:38] <cpk1> but the expansion packs are priced as a brand new game
[03:38] <Jucato> of course you'd need to buy the expansions too (if you want them)
[03:38] <margis> ok thank  u
[03:40] <cpk1> jarn: hrmm i would have preferred to just do wine installguildwars.exe =P
[03:41] <jarn> cpk1: No can do, Guild Wars uses a 32-bit mouse and Wine doesn't support that.
[03:41] <jarn> cpk1: But there's a script there that all you have to do is run.
[03:42] <hellcattrav> guildwars is alright
[03:44] <crosscut> hello all, does anyone know why knetworkmanager would not scan wireless networks but network-manager in gnome does
[03:45] <crosscut> iwlist eth1 scan works from command line
[03:47] <snowrichard> hello
[03:47] <snowrichard> can someone go to http://schizophrenicprogrammer.info and see if the radio station link works ok for them? just set up a new shoutcast server acct.
[03:47] <hellcattrav> cos knetworkmanager is weird
[03:48] <cpk1> jarn: interestingly cedega says nothing about the mouse
[03:49] <jarn> cpk1: Cedega probably supports 32-bit cursors.
[03:49] <crosscut> knetworkmanager is weird eh? that helps
[03:49] <[R] eaper> anyone can tell me what is wrong here? http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/168/instantnea1ya0.jpg
[03:49] <crosscut> anything better to use?
[03:56] <mystery_> isn't glxgears supposed to print out frame information? mine just sits there doing nothing... just showing the pic of turnin gears
[03:57] <Biovore> mystery_: glxgears -printfps
[03:57] <hellcattrav> sorry, its just faulty at times
[03:58] <hellcattrav> knetworkmanager doesn't seem to connect all the time
[03:58] <hellcattrav> ive found that its best to have a wired connection
[04:01] <draik> If I have winxp on a diff partition on the same hdd, can I use vmware to use that partition?
[04:02] <bur[n] er_> draik: yes, but you have to make a second windows hardware profile that you boot
[04:02] <bur[n] er_> I read a whole article devoted to this... might be on the wiki
[04:03] <draik> bur[n] er_: Happen to have a link?
[04:03] <bur[n] er_> draik: no, but I'll search quick... check the wiki... wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:04] <stunatra> ...
[04:07] <draik> bur[n] er_: What exactly would I be looking for?
[04:07] <bur[n] er_> draik: http://oopsilon.com/Running-a-Windows-Partition-in-VMware
[04:07] <bur[n] er_> I found it on digg :)
[04:08] <bur[n] er_> er... that's not it :\
[04:08] <bur[n] er_> er... i lied, that is it :)  i haven't tried it, but it looks right
[04:08] <margis> i had installed  in  my core 2 duo   kubuntu 32    should  i have installed  amd64 version?
[04:10] <bur[n] er_> margis: i think you're ok on teh 32
[04:10] <margis> ok
[04:10] <margis> another question
[04:10] <margis> i have  a  folder in the dekstop and  i cant   delete  it
[04:11] <margis> how i  can do this?
[04:11] <margis> it is lokced
[04:11] <mystery_> glxgears -printfps
[04:11] <mystery_> 113 frames in 5.2 seconds = 21.809 FPS
[04:11] <mystery_> 184 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.683 FPS
[04:11] <mystery_> 183 frames in 5.0 seconds = 36.536 FPS
[04:12] <mystery_> i'm embarassed to print that
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> margis: delete it with sudo?
[04:12] <margis> how?
[04:12] <margis>  rw "file" ?
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> margis: what's the icon?
[04:12] <margis> rm
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> margis: sudo rm file
[04:12] <margis> it  is  folder
[04:12] <margis> with a  locker on it
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> oh... "sudo rm -rf folder"
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> you prolly just don't have permission
[04:12] <margis> why?
[04:12] <bur[n] er_> you can also run "kdesu konqueror"
[04:12] <margis> if i get in root?
[04:14] <margis> nice!!! thank u
[04:14] <margis> i deleted it
[04:14] <hellcattrav> yo
[04:14] <cpk1> mystery_: 1535 frames in 5.0 seconds = 306.765 FPS 1593 frames in 5.0 seconds = 318.599 FPS thats with an nvidia 6600
[04:14] <margis> can i  solve my  questions  here?  i have more....
[04:14] <margis> :)
[04:14] <margis> i   use  dula boot  with  windows
[04:15] <hellcattrav> i have ubuntu desktop and i want to get rid of it and just keep KDE(kubuntu) how can i do this?
[04:15] <margis> and  i have  a partition  which i use  with   both of  os  to  keep my  documents
[04:15] <Jucato> hellcattrav: try this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:15] <mystery_> I'm using my friends dv9000z
[04:15] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: you have to remove all the packages that ubuntu entails... use adept to remove them
[04:15] <margis> i must  do  it   fat32  or  ntfs?
[04:15] <mystery_> lemme tell u the name of the vid card
[04:15] <bur[n] er_> margis: i'd do ext3... windows can read ext3 via fs-driver.org
[04:16] <bur[n] er_> but fat32 (aka vfat) would be better than ntfs
[04:16] <bur[n] er_> you cannot write ntfs reliably\
[04:16] <mystery_> geforce go 6150
[04:16] <hellcattrav> okk how would i use adept to remove them- iv only ever used it to download something?
[04:16] <margis> what is  fs-driver.org?
[04:16] <margis> when i make it   ntfs  i    can   see it
[04:16] <margis> but   can i   write  on this  safe?
[04:16] <bur[n] er_> margis: correct
[04:16] <margis> ?
[04:17] <ForgeAus> margis its a great little driver for XP
[04:17] <ForgeAus> (perhaps even 2000)
[04:17] <ForgeAus> that reads EXT2/3 partitions
[04:17] <bur[n] er_> oh...   i mean, you cannot write on ntfs safely with linux... fat or ext3 is preferred for shared data
[04:17] <hellcattrav> I typed sudo apt-get  so would this work
[04:17] <margis> yes   but  fat32    i hvae  now  and  kubuntu  cannot  see it
[04:17] <margis> have
[04:17] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: "sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename"
[04:18] <bur[n] er_> margis: it can.. just mount it
[04:18] <margis> do u thing  it  is  not  mounted?
[04:18] <margis> how?
[04:18] <bur[n] er_> !vfat
[04:18] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:18] <draik> bur[n] er_: Thanks. That's something to do.
[04:18] <ForgeAus> !fuse
[04:18] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[04:18] <bur[n] er_> draik: sure... quite the process though!
[04:18] <margis> ok ........  tell me the commant to mount it
[04:18] <ForgeAus> hmm ok well ntfs3g isn't unsafe is it?
[04:18] <draik> Is anyone else here having an issue with your monitor going black after 5 minutes of idle time?
[04:18] <ForgeAus> !ntfs3g
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <ForgeAus> !ntfs-3g
[04:19] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:19] <bur[n] er_> ntfs-3g has had mixed results
[04:19] <ForgeAus> oh ok thats unsafe too
[04:19] <margis> ok guys     i need a command     to  mount  it
[04:19] <hellcattrav> ok
[04:19] <margis> cna u tell me plz?
[04:19] <bur[n] er_> margis: follow the link about vfat
[04:19] <margis> ok   i will check it
[04:20] <hellcattrav> Bur[n] er: if i type in ubuntudesktop that wouldn't mess anything up would it?
[04:20] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: it wont' do anything... if you type ubuntu-desktop... it will not mess it up
[04:20] <cpk1> hellcattrav: read what it says its going to do
[04:21] <ForgeAus> vfat is easy mostly just requires the mount command (generally in su mode and possibly a directory created before it to mount it too.. )
[04:21] <margis> s of Ubuntu 6.04 (Dapper Drake) there is slightly more NTFS writing support
[04:21] <margis> through a very experimental NTFS FUSE module. Using this seems to work but
[04:21] <margis> is NOT recommended. Do you want to use this? [no]
[04:21] <margis> waht is this?
[04:21] <intelikey> gee  linux is really lacking in the graphics department !
[04:21] <margis> what?
[04:21] <bur[n] er_> hellcattrav: use "sudo apt-get remove packagename -s" to do a pretend remove and see what it will do
[04:21] <ForgeAus> margis if you have a fat32 partition don't worry about NTFS its a different format
[04:21] <cpk1> if you use aptitude it will tell you what it will do then ask yes or no
[04:21] <margis> ok
[04:21] <margis> what i tell here ?
[04:22] <margis> yes or no?
[04:22] <ForgeAus> !vfat
[04:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:22] <ForgeAus> generally linux will have a list of your drives and partitions already
[04:22] <margis> All windows and mac partitions will now be mounted every time you boot
[04:22] <margis> You do not need to reboot, the partitions are mounted now too
[04:22] <margis> ok now
[04:22] <margis> thanks  all of u
[04:23] <ForgeAus> all you have to do is tell it which ones to mount and where
[04:23] <intelikey> this is outrages.  linux can't even handle one image file....
[04:23] <intelikey> windows 95 could/can open 30 of them at a time but linux needs more ram...
[04:23] <ForgeAus> image? what kind of image, a picture or some kind of drive image?
[04:24] <intelikey> .tiff
[04:24] <intelikey> i also converted to .bmp
[04:24] <margis> cna i  change hteir names?   form hd1 to  hard disk?
[04:24] <margis> or not?
[04:24] <margis> can ....their  (sorry)
[04:25] <intelikey> linux can't open a 600k .tiff nor it's 11m .bmp counter part.
[04:25] <intelikey> and i just had 30 of them open in win95 to convert them all to bmp.
[04:25] <intelikey> 30 at one time.   same box.
[04:26] <stunatra> who still uses win95? LOL
[04:26] <intelikey> stunatra who still uses windows period ?
[04:26] <ForgeAus> I still have win98
[04:26] <stunatra> newbs do
[04:26] <cpk1> intelikey: i dont seem to have a problem with targas
[04:27] <cpk1> the targas i have are 5mB
[04:27] <intelikey> cpk1 how much ram do you have ?
[04:27] <cpk1> 1.25gB heh
[04:27] <intelikey> yeah.
[04:27] <intelikey> i've got the .25 part of that
[04:28] <cpk1> =\
[04:28] <intelikey> it seems that linux needs about a gig to view one image where windows can edit 30 of them in 25% of that.
[04:29] <Biovore> intelikey: ?
[04:29] <intelikey> that's not good.
[04:30] <intelikey> so doing the math  windows was 120 times better at viewing/editing images 12 years ago than linux is today...
[04:31] <jbranco> one of my computers running linux only has 256m of memory and I don't have a problem
[04:31] <unix_infidel> intelikey: that math seems odd to me.
[04:31] <unix_infidel> i'd need a citation to believe you.
[04:32] <intelikey> jbranco i don't have a problem editing a 20k .png icon either.
[04:32] <intelikey> unix_infidel scroll up ^
[04:32] <unix_infidel> and it'd have to be like comittee that DEVELOPED img formates.
[04:32] <dennister> hey ppl...can't stay, but will be back 2morrow, i'm sure
[04:33] <unix_infidel> intelikey: you're test case is neither standardized or documenented...
[04:33] <unix_infidel> what reason do i have to believe you.
[04:33] <intelikey> unix_infidel none what so ever.    why should i care whether you believe me or not?
[04:34] <intelikey> short answer i shouldn't.
[04:34] <intelikey> and dont.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> heh, because you just made an outrageous claim about the OS many of us use in here.
[04:34] <unix_infidel> come back with some cites, it might actually be constructive rhetoric.
[04:35] <intelikey> go to any state.gov site dl the county maps and start editing them.   then you can see for your self.
[04:36] <jbranco> on my celeron/256m linux box i can view plenty of pics from my digital camera(whihc are quite large), surf the web, listen to music, and whatever else no problem
[04:36] <jbranco> which*
[04:37] <intelikey> jbranco yes i've viewed pic's from camera too.    and you should be able to open the whole memory stick full of pictures on that system
[04:37] <intelikey> but you can't
[04:38] <hellcattrav> ok
[04:38] <hellcattrav> no idid
[04:38] <jbranco> do you have links of certain pictures you are having trouble with?
[04:38] <hellcattrav> thnaks
[04:38] <intelikey> jbranco i'll get it for you.  busy right now, give me a few.
[04:39] <specialbuddy> do I have to get vncserver in order to use vncviewer?  Remote Desktop is on the computer by default but I don't see how it will work without vncserver.
[04:39] <jbranco> ok
[04:39] <Biovore> specialbuddy: vncviewer is a sperate program.. there  not related
[04:40] <specialbuddy> I think they are related because usually viewer is used to with the server
[04:43] <intelikey> jbranco here pick one.  http://www.arkansashighways.com/search2.htm
[04:44] <jbranco> k
[04:46] <intelikey> jbranco get the tiff format  i think they have pdf also.
[04:46] <jbranco> i downloaded a 4mb saline county map
[04:46] <jbranco> .tiif
[04:46] <jbranco> no probs
[04:47] <jbranco> while chatting, watching a dvd, surfin web, and checking e-mail
[04:47] <intelikey> jbranco no probs as in it down loaded ok or what ?
[04:47] <jbranco> i opened it, it opened in about 1-2 seconds
[04:48] <jbranco> viewed it fine
[04:48] <intelikey> box specs ?
[04:48] <jbranco> 2.66ghz celeron/256megs of ram
[04:49] <jbranco> 7200rpm hdd
[04:49] <intelikey> and you are telling me that it didn't start swapping on that 256m of ram ?
[04:50] <jbranco> swapping?
[04:50] <intelikey> jbranco maybe i haven't tried the right app yet.  what did you open it with ?
[04:50] <jbranco> <--- newb sry
[04:51] <jbranco> i opened that particular file with gewnview
[04:51] <jbranco> gwenview*
[04:52] <jbranco> tried it?
[04:53] <intelikey> installing
[04:53] <jbranco> you using kubuntu?
[04:53] <intelikey> tried everything else i could find.
[04:55] <intelikey> gthumb kviewimage gimp ooDraw kpaint xpaint paul imageMagic and others...
[04:55] <intelikey> jbranco not really.  ubuntu + kde
[04:55] <jbranco> oh ok, i was just wondering because it comes with kubuntu
[04:56] <intelikey> tried it on two boxes both with 256m ram   neither will open an 800k .tiff image  in less than 5minutes.
[04:56] <jbranco> also, i'm sure other people have different opinions then mine, but i have found that kubuntu seems to run a little better/faster then ubuntu on my machines
[04:57] <cpk1> intelikey: shouldnt there be no problem since you have a swap file too?
[04:58] <intelikey> with tones of swapping.   so i rebooted the slower machine to win95 and opened 30 of them at a time then saved them as .bmp    they translate to about 10m .bmp files.    it swapped some but went pretty quick   very little waiting.
[04:58] <cpk1> wierd
[04:58] <jbranco> yea, i find that strange also, i was trying to duplicate his problem but couldn't
[04:59] <intelikey> cpk1 one stinking .tiff file less than one meg in size should NEVER need more than 200m of ram.
[04:59] <cpk1> i have too much ram to duplicate
[04:59] <jbranco> i have actually noticed an increase in performance from my machines when i switched to gnu/linux
[04:59] <intelikey> and this 256m box runs with 200+m free most of the time.
[04:59] <jbranco> came from winxp
[05:00] <intelikey> jbranco yeah imo xp is dog slow.
[05:01] <jbranco> it has been such a long time since i used win95 and at the time i was probably running 64megs so i can't really compare
[05:01] <Dr_willis> XP = eXtra Patience needed
[05:01] <jbranco> lol
[05:01] <Dr_willis> XP is so messed up on my machine.. i need to fix it badly...
[05:02] <Dr_willis> but its such a hassle to get back up to speed with it.
[05:02] <Dr_willis> worse  then linux in so many ways..
[05:02] <intelikey> i know i'm using old "junk" hardware  but still there is no excuse for linux to be that far behind on image manipulation    no excuse at all.
[05:02] <Dr_willis> install the os.. (whoich takes longer) get the nvidia drivers.. install/reboot/ reboot a dozen more times for all the other hardware...
[05:03] <intelikey> the system i'm running is less than a year old.  but i used 12 year old windows to do what i couldn't do in linux....
[05:04] <Dr_willis> sorry intelikey  i just got here.. no idea what you are ranting about. :)
[05:05] <snowrichard> hi
[05:05] <Dr_willis> hi
[05:05] <jbranco> he is talking about opening and viewing tif files
[05:06] <gregd> jbranco: what type of tiff encoding?
[05:06] <intelikey> large .tiff
[05:06] <Dr_willis> i cant say that ive got any tiffs to even check
[05:07] <jbranco> http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps/Counties/621711.tif
[05:07] <intelikey> try a 12m .bmp  that will suffice.
[05:07] <jbranco> that is a 4m one
[05:07] <sampan> tiffs take a while to open on my xp laptop too ... but 150 meg files are slow to load i guess
[05:08] <Dr_willis> i found a honking Huge pdf image (map of the state) that brought XP and Linux to a crawl. :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> but it was a amazing map.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> too bad it waent truely interactive
[05:08] <gregd> like specs, fax level 4 encoded tiffs are not well supported by libtiff
[05:09] <Dr_willis> 621711.tif takes about 3 secs (by my count) to open
[05:09] <lonewolf1066> Stupid question, used to XP, how do you switch between tabs in Firefox in Ubuntu?
[05:09] <gregd> you can use kfax for em, uses progressive loading scheme
[05:09] <gregd> lonewolf1066: same way
[05:10] <gregd> ctrl pgup/pgdown will do it too
[05:10] <lonewolf1066> gregd: Thanks, ,forgot the crtl pgup/pgdown. Ctrl-Tab was switching between desktops
 tiffs take a while to open on my xp laptop too ... but 150 meg files are slow to load i guess <<< that's kinda the way i was thinking.   cause i would have to turn on swap on this box to open one 800k .tiff file   (had over 200m free befor trying it)    but then i rebooted to win95 and opened over 30 of the things in less time that it takes gimp to come up empty.    "i was like what the hell is wrong with linux ?"
[05:11] <gregd> intelikey: what kind of images? res, bit depth, encoding?
[05:11] <sampan> intelikey  yeah, but i was saying it all depends on the .tif files -- mine are 16bbp with layers ... and 150 megs in size.  your arkansas map opens for me (only 512 ram) in under a second
[05:12] <sampan> i click and it opens instantly in konq
[05:13] <sampan> same in gwenview too
[05:14] <cntb> how do I fsck a root partition from recue cd - installer env ?
[05:14] <cntb> *rescue
 intelikey  yeah, but i was saying it all depends on the .tif files --.... <<< yes but they were the same 33 file   the same box   only the os/apps changed.   linux can't open any one of them.  win95 opens them all at the same time.....
[05:15] <cntb> hi intelikey
[05:16] <sampan> intelikey  i understand the issue ... my experience is quite different though.  windows and linux seem about the same on images. only slowdowns i get are when i'm opening HUGE tif files and that's because they are just so large.
[05:16] <intelikey> cntb sudo fsck /dev/hda1         hda1 is only an example.  use the right address.
[05:16] <jbranco> use win95 then, if gnu/linux can't do what you want then no use using it then
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Wowsers.. I just learned somthing new about Ubuntu/Kubuntu.. check out....
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[05:18] <Dr_willis> thats MUCH easier to find out what uuid/label is then the other ways ive seen
[05:18] <cntb> intelikey: I dont recall where is fsck
[05:19] <cntb> intelikey:  now on rescue mode no paths must figure out where it is
[05:19] <cntb> wait I will "locate" on this machine
[05:19] <intelikey> jbranco interesting remark.   sounds more like "shut up and leave us alone"  but interesting just the same.    if i thought that all it was was a rant.  i would have hushed after the first post.   but i know that bring things like this to the attention of communities sometimes sparks an interest and fixes things....
[05:19] <Dr_willis> fsck would be in /sbin/ i would think
[05:19] <intelikey> cntb rescue mode has path set.
[05:19] <cntb> Dr_willis: ye
[05:20] <gregd> intelikey: since you seem to be ignoring my attempts to help you, i'll just repeat my comment that tiffs can vary in encoding. some such as fax group encoding are not well supported by libtif and benefit by using a program that can use tiled progressive loading
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Testing out SidUX in a vmware session at the moment.. :) heh
[05:20] <intelikey> shouldn't matter where it is.   the path is the same.
[05:20] <cntb> located on this system  tis /sbin but rescue mode installer env shell wont start fsck
[05:21] <cntb> and Ia mot supposed to mount fsckd system
[05:21] <cntb> So ... ?
[05:21] <intelikey> gregd but .bmp is supported isn't it ?
[05:21] <jbranco> intelikey: i did not mean to sound like that at all, i am just having trouble helping you because i can not replicate your problem while using a similiar machine. if windows95 allows you to do what you need to do and gnu/linux doesn't then you should use windows95. sorry if you took my comment the wrong way
[05:22] <intelikey> cntb ah fsck is probably not there.   e2fsck
[05:22] <scribz> hmm, autologin from console doesn't seem to work right
[05:23] <gregd> intelikey: link to the trouble file?
[05:23] <scribz> i switched off kdm to save resources
[05:23] <cntb> ok
[05:23] <sampan> gregd, the tif example he posted is just a 8bbp 2000x2000 monochrome tif ... like jbranco it opens lightning fast on my machine, which is like 3+ years old and only 512 megs of ram, so
[05:23] <intelikey> jbranco hope i didn't offend.  i seldom ever get upset at what people say.  and haven't here today.
[05:23] <cntb> tyvm inteli also on mounted is riskey so back to installer env shell for e2fsck
[05:24] <jbranco> intelikey: no i'm not offended i just wanted to explain my comment in order to avoid coming across harsh
[05:24] <intelikey> sampan i didn't post a link to a file.
[05:24] <intelikey> sampan i posted a link to a page where you can find files.
[05:24] <intelikey> someone chose that one.
[05:24] <sampan> intelikey  http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps/Counties/621711.tif  <-- that wasn't one?
[05:24] <sampan> oh
[05:24] <intelikey> jbranco k.  np
[05:24] <jbranco> i posted a link to the file from the site he linked to me
[05:25] <sampan> i didn't see the nick that posted -- just opened the page ... gotcha
[05:25] <jbranco> it was just an example
[05:25] <intelikey> http://www.arkansashighways.com/Maps  i'm not even sure that state is the same encoding..
[05:25] <cntb> intelikey: Dr_willis. e2fsck-d alright ty
[05:26] <intelikey> try the texas maps.
[05:26] <intelikey> cntb sorry i didn't think of the scripts (fsck*) not being on the cd.
[05:26] <Dr_willis> texas is too big for us yankees to handle. ;)
[05:27] <intelikey> Dr_willis that may be the problem  :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Texas has garbage dumps bigger then many of the original 13 states!
[05:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:28] <intelikey> gregd as per the exact encoding, tell me how to get that info and i'll tell you the specifics.  i can't just open one of them and check, obviously; or i wouldn't have been ranting about it.
[05:29] <intelikey> Dr_willis yes.  and most of the therteen export their garbage to texas...  ;/
[05:29] <intelikey> some of it.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  and the trucks taking garbage to texas.. come back with spinich and lettus and other food stuffs... ICK!
[05:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:31] <intelikey> yep.
[05:32] <intelikey> well they are 'supposed' to wash them before reloading...
[05:33] <Dr_willis> heh.. yea.. wash off all the bacteria! :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> cholera!
[05:33] <Dr_willis> we had a lot of food scares in the last 2 years or so.. spinich, green onions,  lettus, what else was there...
[05:34] <Dr_willis> there was some problem with Pumpkins in this state i recall also. so No kissing that Jack-o-lantern
[05:34] <intelikey> beef
[05:36] <gregd> intelikey: get libtiff-tools. command is tiffinfo input...
[05:38] <gregd> paste output
[05:41] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/358293
[05:43] <gregd> it is just like I said. just use kfax.
[05:49] <intelikey> error.   glass breaking.    due to patend reasons kfax can not handle lzw (limple ziv & welch) compressed fax files.
[05:51] <intelikey> gregd kfax will handle some of them though.  thanks for the tip there.     and the memory usage is reasonable  Mem usage: 36/249 MB (14%)
[05:51] <intelikey> before ^
[05:51] <intelikey> Mem usage: 64/249 MB (25%)
[05:51] <intelikey> after opening one of them. ^
[05:53] <siegfried__> I burned http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso and booted it expecting to get an installer. It looks like a live CD. Can I install from this?
[05:54] <intelikey> so am i to understand that linux in general is to disorganized to be able to share the resources/information to make image viewer work on different encoding    you need one app for one encoding and another app for another encoding of the .tiff files ?      if so linux is still more than 12 years behind on that issue.
[05:54] <intelikey> siegfried__ if you are lucky you can.  some do.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> the livecd should have an icon for a hd install.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> thats getting to be very common way of installing.. which is nice in ways.. annoying in others. :)
[05:55] <intelikey> Dr_willis and just plain fails on some specs
[05:56] <cntb> how can I hide a partition till a client  pays me ?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  yep. seen many a live cd that dont like my system
[05:56] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[05:56] <Dr_willis> remove the hd.. :)
[05:57] <Dr_willis> disable it in bios.. then password protect the bios?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> enctypt the thing..
[05:57] <HymnToLife> remove the superblock with dd so it can't be mounted ?
[05:57] <HymnToLife> (but be sure you know how to restore it :p)
[05:58] <intelikey> i wouldn't have anything against the live CD being the only install disk  IF, they'd set it up where you could choose text mode at boot time and the installer would run in the console...      errr actually not the installer that is on the liveCD it would need to be a good one.
[05:58] <gregd> intelikey: no. the fax encoding is obsolete. that is why it works well on windows
[05:59] <intelikey> HymnToLife nothing would keep them from using an alternate superblock       nothing but ignorance that is.
[05:59] <HymnToLife> oh, right
[05:59] <siegfried__> Is there a non-live installation disk on http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php somewhere? I did not see one. Should I be looking somewhere else?
[05:59] <HymnToLife> remove the backups too, then :p
[05:59] <HymnToLife> siegfried__, yep, it's called "Alternate"
[05:59] <intelikey> gregd linux is not usually the os that abandons things...
[06:00] <intelikey> !alternate | siegfried__
[06:00] <ubotu> siegfried__: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[06:00] <HymnToLife> yep, just look at the options for 20 years old hardware when compiling a kernel :p
[06:01] <intelikey> yes
[06:03] <intelikey> hehhe note; ***the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD***   as if the alternate CD was not a live CD    lol
[06:04] <siegfried__> Does the live Kubuntu install with lvms?
[06:06] <intelikey> installs lvm  i dont know about installing on an lvm ....
[06:07] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  technicially then every installcd has always been a live cd. :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i recall using the alternative consoles ages ago during text based installs..
[06:07] <intelikey> i find the desktop installer very inflexable
[06:08] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah
[06:08] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  i do also .. seen much better installers.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> MEPIS for all its failures - had a decent installer last i used it.
[06:10] <intelikey> mdk9 had a pretty good installer graphic and text on one disk  (well there were three disks altogather but the installers were on disk#1)   it did have one bug in the mouse setup portion, had to manually refresh or the mouse didn't act right.  wouldn't mess up the installation but was annoying.   that was what 02 ?
[06:11] <intelikey> 03 maybe ?
[06:11] <Jucato> 1. Ubiquity (the installer) is very new... just started w/ Dapper. 2. The purpose of the Desktop installer is not the same as that of other GUI installers, like MEPIS'. True it could do better. Maybe it will... too early to tell
[06:13] <intelikey> Jucato ok, i'll bite.   "what is the purpose of the Desktop installer" ?
[06:14] <Jucato> intelikey: a very basic desktop install, with the defaults that are set in the Desktop/Live CD
[06:14] <szyszeja> hi
[06:15] <Jucato> it basically just copies the files in the Desktop CD, hence there are no .debs in the CD
[06:15] <szyszeja> how can i use my mp3's player
[06:15] <szyszeja> its usb
[06:15] <intelikey> Jucato are you saying the intent of the author/s is to make it as ridgid as possable ?
[06:16] <Jucato> if they wanted to make it "as rigid as possible", they wouldn't give options to partition and mount the system to partitions would it?
[06:16] <gregd> szyszeja: there may be a button labeled "play"
[06:17] <szyszeja> hi gregd
[06:18] <szyszeja> where?
[06:18] <intelikey> Jucato it would have to.   no way an installer of any os can/should just copy to hda1 ...   what do you do if they have sata or scsi drives
[06:18] <Jucato> intelikey: so it is not "as rigid as possible"
[06:19] <intelikey> dang near
[06:23] <intelikey> with the architecture that most people have, and linux kernel's capabilities.  one could write an installer that will at boot time   1 load a pseudo kernel that locks the power button the cd tray and does dd if=installationfile.img of=/dev/hda    when the copy is complete,  ejects and resets the box.
[06:24] <intelikey> actually could use tar in that equation and make the output larger than the input
[06:25] <Ertain> I can't seem to record anything with my headset.  Though I can hear stuff through the speakers when I use the mic it doesn't record.
[06:26] <intelikey> Ertain kmixer  and/or the app you are using to record   and make sure that the mic is the device that is being recorded
[06:47] <Mena> hey why cant i format to ntfs file system
[06:47] <Mena> i want to format a normal pat for a ntfs file system but i cant
[06:47] <ChaosEddie> Mena: let me guess
[06:47] <ChaosEddie> no root file system?
[06:48] <Mena> the option on Gparted And Qtparted dusable cant choose it
[06:48] <Mena> disabled*
[06:48] <Mena> i have already a partition for the root
[06:49] <Mena> CHaosEddie, so !
[06:49] <ChaosEddie> hehe, its a crazy bug.
[06:49] <ChaosEddie> i posted a blog about it on chi-ubuntu loco page. let me grab the bug report.
[06:49] <Mena> CHaosEddie,okay take you rtime
[06:50] <ChaosEddie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/67130
[06:50] <intelikey> Mena why are you using linux to make an ntfs partition ?
[06:50] <ChaosEddie> uh if you want to see, the blog is at posingaspopular.wordpress.com
[06:50] <Mena> intelikey, bec i use Xp two
[06:50] <intelikey> Mena let xp make the partition it will install on.
[06:51] <intelikey> or at least let it format it.
[06:51] <Mena> intelikey, no problem in that
[06:51] <intelikey> ok then what ?
[06:51] <Mena> intelikey, okay but is there a bug in the program
[06:51] <Mena> gparted or qtparted
[06:51] <Mena> bec at first i was able to use it
[06:52] <Mena> since first time i install linux
[06:52] <Mena> and use it
[06:52] <ChaosEddie> Mena: it's a known bug.
[06:52] <intelikey> Mena the liveCD installer  yeah   imo the program is a bug with some good code accidently inserted into it...
[06:52] <Xoss> Mena if you want to create a dual boot with XP and linux i think you have to install XP first
[06:52] <Mena> Xoss, ok
[06:52] <intelikey> !dualboot
[06:52] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[06:52] <ChaosEddie> xoss is right
[06:53] <Mena> CHaosEddie,sure i try it befro
[06:53] <intelikey> you don't have to.  but it makes life easier
[06:53] <Mena> befor*
[06:53] <Xoss> there is a problem with the GRUB boot loader
[06:53] <Mena> intelikey , ok
[06:53] <ChaosEddie> Mena: is that doesn't work, try user supergrub
[06:53] <ChaosEddie> i think thats the name
[06:54] <Mena> ChaosEddie, no no no this is not the problem i just decide to resize Xp part then that happened
[06:54] <ChaosEddie> Mena: post your partition table plz
[06:55] <Xoss> i think gparted can format ntfs file system..
[06:55] <Mena>   /dev/hda3
[06:55] <intelikey> Mena that means use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org  and put the output of    sudo fdisk -l     there.
[06:56] <Mena> okay
[06:56] <Mena> sorry :)
[06:58] <Mena> ChaosEddie, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6062/
[06:58] <intelikey> wow   i just made a fat32 fs that windows can't use but linux can.
[06:58] <Jucato> yeah, that happens
[06:59] <ForgeAus> a windowsless fat32? wow thats wierd
[06:59] <Jucato> dunno if it's the norm or the exception....
[06:59] <ForgeAus> ok so why can't windows use it?
[06:59] <intelikey> Jucato yeah
[06:59] <ForgeAus> rofl Jucato :)
[06:59] <intelikey> ForgeAus it's not in a partition
[06:59] <ForgeAus> oh another partitionless disk?
[06:59] <intelikey> yeah
[07:00] <intelikey> all mine are.
[07:00] <ForgeAus> because you like to stick to lilo instead of going to grub?
[07:00] <Jucato> because he's just that "unique"
[07:00] <ChaosEddie> where is the windows SUPPOSED to be
[07:01] <ChaosEddie> because i dont see it in the table
[07:01] <intelikey> hey.  you know how to catch a unique rabbit ?
[07:01] <ForgeAus> no, how?
[07:01] <jim> is there a way to add the Fiesty archives to edgy's updater so I can update that way
[07:01] <intelikey> ChaosEddie it's hda3  but the lable may be wrong.
[07:02] <intelikey> ForgeAus     unique up on it...
[07:02] <Mena> ChaosEddie, no no no i dont install it yet and the partition cpuldnt be mount correct so i dedied to format it to ntfs
[07:02] <ChaosEddie> ah thats what i though
[07:02] <ForgeAus> lol
[07:02] <intelikey> ForgeAus you know how to catch a tame rabbit ?
[07:02] <adydas> how on earth do you disable bloddy dhclient for ever
[07:02] <jim> macd0na7d
[07:02] <ForgeAus> if its tame you just call it, and it comes to you no need to catch it
[07:02] <SolidSource> jim: yes, but thats for upgrding to the next distro version...and its not suggested at this current time unless you an official tester
[07:02] <intelikey> ForgeAus tame way...
[07:02] <ChaosEddie> and you tried to mount to the new ntfs hd3 and it didnt go
[07:03] <Mena> ChaosEddie, no i couldnt format it to ntfs
[07:03] <ChaosEddie> do you need a /home?
[07:03] <Mena> ChaosEddie, mean
[07:04] <ForgeAus> I'm beginning to think XP is better with fat32
[07:04] <ForgeAus> whats the point of NTFS?
[07:04] <intelikey> to give linus hell
[07:04] <Mena> ChaosEddie, u mean a root part or a /home file on root part
[07:04] <ForgeAus> a few extra permissions, filesystem compression, encryption (which I don't like anyway)...
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> i guess,
[07:05] <ForgeAus> the only benefit I'd get is a little extra space...
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> why does your ID on the table have a B
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> for hda2
[07:05] <ChaosEddie> 3*
[07:05] <intelikey> ChaosEddie bootable ?
[07:06] <intelikey> oh no i see what you are asking.
[07:06] <intelikey> that's  0b
[07:06] <ChaosEddie> my windows partition has a 7 for the id
[07:06] <ChaosEddie> but it's NTFS
[07:06] <intelikey> partition type  0b
[07:06] <ChaosEddie> intelikey: which is...
[07:06] <intelikey> win95+
[07:06] <Mena> ChaosEddie, friends when i decied to resize i formatted Xp partition and all part except the root so that what happend and i dont no way its b
[07:06] <Mena> why*
[07:07] <intelikey> Mena he's just looking at the two digit code for the partition type.
[07:08] <Mena> intelikey , ok but i realy dont know what is the function of the digit code
[07:09] <intelikey> ChaosEddie 07 is ntfs partition type   06 is win95-   05 is extended     04 is fat12   iirc.
[07:10] <intelikey> the full code is in c/fdisk
[07:10] <ForgeAus> fat12 is like floppy disks right?
[07:10] <ChaosEddie> man i suck at partitioning
[07:10] <ChaosEddie> honestly
[07:10] <ForgeAus> me too
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I always tend to mess up something
[07:11] <ForgeAus> last time I partitiones space for kubuntu I killed my win98 boot
[07:11] <ForgeAus> grr partitioneD
[07:11] <Mena> So my win95 nust be 6 or b for boot
[07:11] <Mena> must*
[07:12] <ForgeAus> I can easily fix it, but I'm more concerned that if I do that my NTLDR will be unrecoverable
[07:12] <ForgeAus> Mena what program are you using for this?
[07:12] <ozw> anyone up for a challenge?  i'm trying to get my foot pedal to work.  and i'm a serious beginner heh.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> foot pedal?
[07:13] <Mena> ForgeAus, gparted or what do you mean
[07:13] <ForgeAus> an input device for a driving game or music or something?
[07:13] <ForgeAus> wow gparted can do that?
[07:13] <Mena> hey i dont knwo what do you mean
[07:13] <ozw> yea a foot pedal...i use it for medical transcription
[07:13] <ozw> it's just a thing that sits on the floor with three buttons to play/rewind/fast-forward
[07:13] <Mena> :D
[07:14] <ozw> it was kind of a bitch to set up on windows, so i'm sure it'll be even more difficult on ubuntu
[07:14] <intelikey>  01 FAT12  04 FAT16 <32M (win95-)   05 Extended  06 FAT16  07 HPFS/NTFS  0B W95 FAT32  0C W95 FAT32 (LBA)  0E W95 FAT16 (LBA)  0F W95 Ext'd (LBA)  11 Hidden FAT12  14 Hidden FAT16 <32M  16 Hidden FAT16  17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS  1B Hidden W95 FAT32  81 Minix / old Linux  82 Linux swap / Solaris  83 Linux  BE Solaris boot   BF Solaris    E3 DOS R/O     DA Non-FS data    and the list goes on.
[07:14] <ForgeAus> well its an input device but thats all I know about it
[07:15] <ForgeAus> how does it plug in? usb? ps2?
[07:15] <Mena> inetlikey, ok
[07:15] <ForgeAus> joystick/midi port?
[07:15] <ForgeAus> COM/Serial port?
[07:15] <ozw> um.  well, its serial...but on windows i couldn't get it to work with serial so i have an extension that converts it to ps/2, and an extension that converts that to usb lol
[07:15] <Mena> inetlikey, can i install Xp now whithout touching Linux
[07:16] <ForgeAus> wow... Serial > PS2 > USB.. nice!
[07:16] <Mena> inetlikey, i mean install Xp while linux is already installed
[07:16] <ForgeAus> um if you plug it into usb I'm not sure its going to know what your plugging in... does the autodetect detect it as some type of device?
[07:16] <ozw> i think windows recognized it as a game controller/joystick
[07:17] <Mena> inetlikey, and i already had a menu for choosing between linux and Xp
[07:17] <ozw> it def detected the usb-to-serial thing, but i don't know how to check if it detected the pedal itself
[07:17] <ForgeAus> ok.. kewl
[07:17] <ozw> i don't think it has
[07:17] <intelikey> Mena not likely.   you have the partition  hda3 reserved for windows.  windows will cry if you don't give it the first primary partition of a disk.   i.e.  hda1 in your case.
[07:17] <ozw> i could try serial as well but i'm not sure how to check if it detected that either
[07:17] <ForgeAus> it doesn't DETECT serial
[07:18] <ForgeAus> you just need the driver to run it
[07:18] <ChaosEddie> ForgeAus: is there anywya to run a driver in wine
[07:18] <ForgeAus> as to what driver would be correct for it I'd have no idea
[07:18] <ozw> yea, well, i have no idea how to go about doing that heh.  it's an olympus rs23 pedal, but olympus doesn't support linux
[07:18] <Mena> inetlikey, ohh okay
[07:18] <ChaosEddie> or something crazy like that
[07:18] <ForgeAus> ChaosEddie, I have no idea
[07:18] <ozw> olympus doesn't support much at all heh
[07:18] <intelikey> Mena it's not hard to get windows to work on another primary partition.  but it is hard to get it to install there.
[07:18] <Mena> inetlikey, ok
[07:18] <ForgeAus> you could try installing it but I can't make any promises
[07:19] <ForgeAus> I've never tried to do anything like that
[07:19] <ChaosEddie> ForgeAus: i have a f-link router that wont support windows, and im trying to think of crazy ways to get it to work. google d-link is too much work
[07:19] <SolidSource> whats the command to download a repository key?
[07:19] <ForgeAus> my d-link works great with linux or windows!
[07:19] <ozw> i tried setting it up to work in wine but that didn't work out either...i'm sure because linux needs to know what it is first
[07:19] <ForgeAus> solid you need the url
[07:20] <ForgeAus> not just directory but the gpg key file
[07:20] <SolidSource> yeah thats what I'm trying to get
[07:20] <ozw> the foot pedal not working is pretty much the only thing that keeps me having to switch back to windows every night to do my work
[07:20] <ForgeAus> then theres two sudo commands (one to retrieve it, and the other to add it to the key"ring")
[07:21] <intelikey> Mena i know it's not fun but the easiest way to do what you want to do is to delete all partitions  (probably have to sudo swapoff -a first)  and make one primary partition for windows then make an extended partition and install windows in the primary letting it format c:   then install linux in the extended part.     that would be the smoothest road home.
[07:21] <ForgeAus> ozw perhaps you might want to go to a more specific channel? they might have people who can help you better
[07:21] <intelikey> ooops just a little too late.
[07:21] <SolidSource> I know those commands, I just don't have the gpg key # is
[07:21] <ForgeAus> or the other way... #linux
[07:22] <ForgeAus> solid try googling the repository name then perhaps?
[07:22] <ForgeAus> theres bound to be a reference somewhere
[07:22] <ForgeAus> or you could try http/ftp-ing the file structure and looking for the key file
[07:22] <SolidSource> yeah,,,in chinese
[07:22] <ozw> can you suggest a more specific channel?
[07:22] <ForgeAus> set your search engine to only look for english pages then
[07:23] <ozw> i really don't know where to start heh
[07:23] <adydas> anyone got a good link for setting up nvidia drivers
[07:23] <ForgeAus> ozw same here mostly... #linux might be a good place to ask for that
[07:23] <ozw> alright, thanks
[07:23] <intelikey> !ati | adydas
[07:23] <ubotu> adydas: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:23] <intelikey> does that not work for you ?
[07:23] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: thats thing...I have done all that...it doesn't come up with anything
[07:24] <ForgeAus> no .gpg or .key or whatever the extension is?
[07:24] <SolidSource> nope nothin
[07:24] <ForgeAus> and you can't download anything from that repo because it needs a key?
[07:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus sometimes key.txt
[07:24] <SolidSource> yep
[07:24] <ForgeAus> well then I have only 2 suggestions
[07:24] <ForgeAus> one find someone to translate chinese for you
[07:24] <ForgeAus> or B) use a translator!
[07:24] <ForgeAus> (like babelfish)
[07:25] <ForgeAus> run a webpage thats chinese through it and see what you come out with!
[07:25] <ForgeAus> just an idea, not sure if it will help or not
[07:25] <ForgeAus> but I Can't think of a better way
[07:26] <SolidSource> eh, I don't even know what the repository was for...
[07:26] <SolidSource> so removed it
[07:26] <SolidSource> not going through all that just to figure it out
[07:26] <ForgeAus> fair enuff
[07:27] <intelikey> it was obviously for a little while.
[07:27] <intelikey> for a few days even.
[07:27] <intelikey> :)
[07:27] <SolidSource> if you care to know what the repo is its: deb http://cle.linux.org.tw/candyz/Ubuntu/edgy amd64/
[07:27] <ForgeAus> it?
[07:27] <ForgeAus> tw... hmmm taiwan I gather
[07:28] <SolidSource> yeah
[07:28] <intelikey> looks taiwanees to me
[07:28] <ForgeAus> I don't have an amd64 mine's just an i4/5/686 ... (p4 actually)
[07:29] <intelikey> 686
[07:29] <ForgeAus> intelikey is that a condition related to knock-knees?
[07:29] <intelikey> no more related to uncle ho
[07:29] <ForgeAus> yeah but 686 is i3/4/586 compatible right?
[07:29] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes
[07:30] <intelikey> ForgeAus cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:30] <ForgeAus> ie old or generic software with no i4/5/686 will work with the i386 vers
[07:30] <intelikey> ForgeAus cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name'       would be more readable
[07:30] <ForgeAus> (I noticed most WindowsXP cd's have an i386 folder)
[07:31] <ForgeAus> which has most of the installation files
[07:31] <ForgeAus> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[07:31] <ForgeAus> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[07:31] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: found how to get the key
[07:31] <ForgeAus> (its hyperthreaded thus it sees it like 2 processors in that respect)
[07:32] <ForgeAus> hence the dual identical result
[07:32] <ForgeAus> Solid, nice!
[07:32] <adydas> intelikey: that means nothing
[07:32] <intelikey> yes i386 builds will run on 386+ arch    while i686 builds will run with errors on 386-568   and without error on 686+   (in theory)
[07:33] <SolidSource> just used "wget http://cle.linux.org.tw/candyz/Ubuntu/candyz.key" and then "sudo apt-ket add candys.key"
[07:33] <ForgeAus> possibly excluding ia64
[07:33] <ForgeAus> Solidsource yeah basically
[07:33] <intelikey> ia64 is 686+  yes
[07:33] <ForgeAus> but you had to know the candyz.key file
[07:33] <intelikey> adydas ?
[07:34] <SolidSource> ubuntu forums had something on the exact repo
[07:35] <adydas> is there a differnce for installing nvidia drivers for kubuntu over unbuntu ?
[07:35] <provolik> Good morning to you all
[07:35] <adydas> that file you linked mes all good, but means nothing as nothing on that file is there
[07:35] <adydas> step 1)go to System and then Administration
[07:35] <intelikey> only gui apps will differ between the *buntu's adydas
[07:36] <adydas> i have no such thing
[07:36] <adydas> i dont have or can i find a synaptic package manager
[07:36] <intelikey> you can install synaptic  if you like.
[07:36] <adydas> If thats what i ahve to do to get these dam nvidia drivers going, so be it
[07:36] <adydas> !synaptic
[07:37] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:37] <intelikey> even using adept to install synaptic is acceptable
[07:37] <intelikey> !dpkg
[07:37] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[07:37] <adydas> hows that different than adept
[07:38] <intelikey> actually a lot smother imo.   and i'm not a gnome fan.
[07:38] <intelikey> smoother
[07:38] <SolidSource> adydas: to get nvidia driver working you have to change all the "nv" to "nvidia" in the xorg.conf file
[07:38] <adydas> yes but
[07:38] <adydas> it dont work
[07:38] <provolik> what about the installation of fonts and ttf?
[07:38] <adydas> when i reboot it dont stick
[07:38] <SolidSource> adydas: do you got kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:38] <orkid___> how do i get rid of the fadingness in fesity?
[07:38] <gansinho> hello could anybody help me, I'm trying to compile kpilot from source and I'm having some trouble and I just can't figure out how to solve it
[07:38] <adydas> its only effective for the time i boot from console into x via start x after installing
[07:39] <orkid___> gansinho: dont ask to ask.
[07:39] <intelikey> lol yeah.    ubuntu's brain storm of having xorg reconfigure each boot  lol.....
[07:39] <adydas> SolidSource: i have a fresh install of kubuntu
[07:39] <intelikey> there are several ways to stop it tho.
[07:39] <SolidSource> adydas: just use adept/synaptic and install kubuntu-desktop package
[07:39] <adydas> 2.6.16-generic
[07:39] <adydas> im using a kde based desktop gui atm
[07:39] <adydas> that count?
[07:40] <adydas> i mean 16
[07:40] <adydas> 7
[07:40] <gansinho> orkid___: thanks,  this is the output http://pastebin.com/881930
[07:40] <SolidSource> adydas: this doesn't have anything to do with that
[07:40] <intelikey> edit the init script that's causing it     make the xorg.conf imutable     remove the first comments from the xorg.conf  (full line not just the #)   and other ways
[07:40] <SolidSource> adydas: the package ensures your settings and such....without you will have problems
[07:41] <adydas> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[07:41] <orkid___> gansinho: you can't install kpilot from the repositories?
[07:41] <Dani> hello all
[07:41] <orkid___> gansinho: are you building from SVN?
[07:42] <SolidSource> adydas: ok, what video card do you have?
[07:42] <gansinho> orkid___: yes, the one in the repo is too old and does not work propely wih kontacts
[07:42] <adydas> Nvidia 7900GT
[07:42] <gansinho> orkid___: if you are aware of some repo that has it atualized with svn it would help me a lot
[07:42] <SolidSource> adydas: and you installed the nvidia-glx package?
[07:43] <adydas> fresh install of kubuntu
[07:43] <adydas> last time i downloaded a .run file from nvidia.com
[07:43] <adydas> so i would have to say no i dont have nvidia0glx installaed
[07:43] <SolidSource> adydas: theres your problem
[07:44] <adydas> awsum, that is now installing
[07:44] <adydas> do i use that .run file after?
[07:44] <orkid___> gansinho: if you're compiling from SVN you might have errors b/c SVN is the current devel and sometimes might not work.
[07:44] <SolidSource> adydas: no
[07:44] <adydas> no files or forums ive read suggest what you just said
[07:45] <orkid___> gansinho: you might want to upgrade kontacts (or wahtever) to svn before you try to compile kpilot. but again, i don't know if this will work. mixing things together like this is asking for trouble.
[07:45] <orkid___> yo ucould just install a test setup all from SVN... but then again kde is in kde4 development so trunk in kde is version 4.
[07:45] <SolidSource> adydas: only use adept to install nvidia-glx...the reason is, not all installers know where to put files and since adept does, use it to install as much as possible
[07:46] <orkid___> i know this isn't what you'r elookin for but it might be wisest to just hold out for a proper release for kpilot that includes th support you're looking for
[07:46] <adydas> ok thats done, so i can now change nv to nvidia in x.conf?
[07:46] <gansinho> orkid___: I asked in kpilot channel, the developers said to me that updating kpilot is the only way to solve it... I just wanna know is what is happening to the make command that it is not working
[07:46] <SolidSource> adydas: no
[07:46] <intelikey> " Karbon is a vector graphics application. "   so what do you do with a vector graphics application?
[07:46] <SolidSource> adydas: restart first and then if the settings haven't worked, then change it
[07:47] <adydas> Thank you
[07:48] <orkid___> gansinho: try in kpilot channel again, it's related to the SVN as far as i can tell, the source might be messed up and simply not compile because of a problem in it
[07:48] <orkid___> that should/could be fixed by the devels
[07:48] <orkid___> try updating from svn again and recompiling perhaps it's fixed already or file a bug report (again, best to see #kpilot)
[07:49] <orkid___> it seems like an error with kpilot and not any of the compile or support tools/libs
[07:49] <gansinho> orkid___: oh thanks! I thought it could be a broken dependency, so I'll ask over there! thanks !
[07:50] <snowrichard> hi
[07:50] <SolidSource> anyone have a working skype repository? cause the official skype one doesn't seem to be signed
[07:51] <intelikey> !skype
[07:51] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[07:51] <SolidSource> lol yeah, done that
[07:52] <SolidSource> the repo keeps comming up "Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz"
[07:52] <orkid___> gansinho: well i don't know for sure, it looks like something with libkcal, but then again, you're working with svn from kpilot so they should be able to help you out more as they're probably compiling this stuff all the time anyway (if they're devs)
[07:53] <intelikey> SolidSource at   deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free  ???
[07:53] <koriel> anyone knows why sometimes my system boots with no sound at all?
[07:54] <SolidSource> intelikey: yep
[07:55] <koriel> seeing the output of lsmod all modules are loaded but no sound
[07:56] <intelikey> SolidSource the server seems to be borked.
[07:57] <intelikey> i can't access that url  not http nor ftp
[07:57] <SolidSource> alright
[07:58] <intelikey> try   http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb
[07:59] <intelikey> reverse name lookup may be the issue there...
[08:00] <intelikey> or the server may be modified and not updated with a good redirrect
[08:00] <SolidSource> its no big deal, just want the repo so it can update...trying to remove thinking from some things
[08:02] <justin_> Does anyone here use MPlayer?
[08:02] <justin_> in K?
[08:02] <SolidSource> and last....http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/edgy-seveas/Release.....package is messed up and its an official repo
[08:02] <SolidSource> justin_:use it as a plugin, but nothing more
[08:03] <justin_> What would you rather? I'm a noob, trying to find a good media player to play my avi's
[08:03] <SolidSource> I use kaffeine for AVI, MPG, etc and LinDVD for DVDs
[08:04] <justin_> Ah I need to find codecs for kaffeine then because it doesn't seem to want to play anything I have yet
[08:04] <justin_> Is that something I can find with adept?
[08:05] <SolidSource> for some, but you need w32codec which is not in the main repos
[08:05] <justin_> Ah
[08:05] <justin_> I'll try to find that guy, thanks!
[08:06] <intelikey> !restricted
[08:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:06] <intelikey> justin_ ^
[08:06] <SolidSource> yes but those don't say much about how to get W32codecs
[08:06] <ForgeAus> there is a reason w32codecs isn't in the offical repos
[08:07] <SolidSource> though it gives all the others you need
[08:07] <ForgeAus> but you can get it from adding others
[08:07] <intelikey> yeah the developers don't want sued
[08:07] <SolidSource> yeah, licensing....screw em
[08:07] <intelikey>           - But please use free formats if you can:
[08:07] <intelikey>           https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:08] <intelikey> and you can.
[08:08] <SolidSource> http://www.debianadmin.com/install-libdvdcss-and-w32-video-codecs-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html
[08:08] <SolidSource> that will get you w32codecs
[08:11] <intelikey> at least i had something to try to figure out.
[08:11] <SolidSource> ???
[08:12] <ForgeAus> so how different is Debian + KDE to kubuntu?
[08:13] <intelikey> ForgeAus debian stable is not as "cutting edge"  and not as buggy.
[08:13] <ForgeAus> intelikey how about debian sid?
[08:13] <intelikey> that's where the ubuntu packages come from     for the most part.
[08:13] <SolidSource> so debian + kde isn't as entertaining as kubuntu
[08:14] <intelikey> :)
[08:14] <intelikey> entertaining    :)
[08:14] <intelikey> is that what you call it when things don't work ?
[08:14] <SolidSource> it was a joke
[08:15] <intelikey> yeah sorta....      oh you mean yours was...
[08:15] <ForgeAus> lol both are :)
[08:15] <SolidSource>  :-S
[08:15] <ForgeAus> depending on your viewpoint
[08:15] <SolidSource> lol
[08:15] <ForgeAus> and of course sense of humour
[08:16] <sancho21> anybody know the most crowded ubuntu or linux mailing list?
[08:16] <intelikey> hey don't accuse me of having any sense
[08:16] <SolidSource> didn't know we were
[08:17] <intelikey> SolidSource that was aimed at ForgeAus
[08:18] <ForgeAus> wouldn't you rather dollars than sense? :)
[08:18] <intelikey> sancho21 why would you be looking for the most spamed ?
[08:18] <SolidSource> lol I was reading his mind
[08:18] <intelikey> ForgeAus actually no.
[08:18] <cntb> intelikey: can I hide partitions with password ?
[08:18] <ForgeAus> ahh so you need some sense to keep your cents?
[08:19] <intelikey> cntb grub can do that i think.
[08:19] <intelikey> ForgeAus i've meat people with more dollars than sense,  nothing i want to emulate.
[08:19] <intelikey> met
[08:23] <ForgeAus> well I don't think I should confute that one ...
[08:24] <extern> where can I find sound volume configuring app? if I remember right, it used to be in the task bar, but it's not there now
[08:24] <ForgeAus> kmix
[08:24] <extern> thanks
[08:25] <sancho21> intelikey, no I want to have my question about openssl answered since the I've been dizzy googling and trying but those things didn't satisfy me.
[08:25] <ForgeAus> so you're looking for appeasment?
[08:27] <intelikey> hmmm looks that way.
[08:27] <intelikey> sancho21 what is your "question about openssl" ?
[08:29] <sancho21> 1. What's the difference between CA.sh -newcert and CA.sh -newreq?
[08:29] <intelikey> ForgeAus sed s'should'could' ^
[08:30] <sancho21> From my conclussion postfix has self-signed certificate
[08:30] <sancho21> also ejabberd
[08:32] <intelikey> don't guess i can appease you there.
[08:32] <pfein_> any KDE-applets for working with blogger.com?
[08:32] <pfein_> DON'T MAKE ME USE FIREFOX, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
[08:33] <ForgeAus> pfein, whats wrong with firefox?
[08:33] <SolidSource> lol, yeah whats wrong withit?
[08:33] <ForgeAus> I wouldn't dream of MAKING you if there was another option
[08:33] <ForgeAus> I'm just suprised that you have an aversion to it
[08:33] <SolidSource> I wouldn't dream of you at all
[08:33] <intelikey> i wouldn't dream of using ff   period
[08:33] <ForgeAus> most people I know LOVE firefox
[08:33] <pfein_> eh, I don't, it just kinda annoys me more than Konq, actually.
[08:34] <pfein_> KDE: The least annoying GUI on Linux, outside of OSX.
[08:34] <SolidSource> no specific reason?
[08:34] <ForgeAus> Konq is at least partially firefox compatible (you can set it to identify as firefox 1.5)
[08:34] <intelikey> it annoies me more than any web browser short of w3m
[08:35] <pfein_> yeah, though the AJAX-heavy Google sites don't work so good, blogger esp.
[08:35] <pfein_> this is my blog: http://pfein.blogspot.com/
[08:36] <extern> why is some dark colors displayed incorrectly for me? The dark areas of pictures are filled with a slightly incorrect color
[08:36] <extern> it's displayed wrong in everywhere, if it's a desktop wallpaper, or a picture on the internet
[08:36] <sancho21> Is it inpractical to create my own Certificate Authority and assign my own certificate instead of using self-assigned certificate of ssl?
[08:36] <pfein_> Yes, I blog like a 12 year old girl.
[08:37] <pfein_> sancho21: just use self-signed
[08:38] <intelikey> surfraw - a fast unix command line interface to WWW
[08:38] <justin_> Err, I tried finding w32codecs on the "http://packages.freecontrib.org/" repo and it can't connect to it
[08:39] <justin_> Is there a newer repo that would have it?
[08:39] <SolidSource> justin_: there servers seem messed up
[08:39] <sancho21> Why? Would it be better if I have certificate which my own CA assign?
[08:39] <justin_> Ah, ok I'll grab some sleep and try again tomorrow
[08:39] <SolidSource> justin_: I can send you the file, other wise thats the only place
[08:39] <SolidSource> that I know of right now
[08:39] <justin_> Hmm, how would I install it then?
[08:40] <SolidSource> its a DEB file
[08:40] <justin_> Can I still get apt to recognize it?
[08:40] <ForgeAus> actually that blog page worked for me ok in konqueror
[08:40] <ForgeAus> but then I don't know what its MEANT to look like elsewise
[08:40] <pfein_> sancho21: it's not gonna matter - anyone who trusts your CA would trust a self-signed cert.  To be honest, I've never heard of anyone creating their own CA
[08:41] <SolidSource> justin_: just use terminal and type "sudo dpkg -i --force-all FILENAME"
[08:41] <justin_> Ok SS
[08:41] <ForgeAus> looks almost the same in firefox but maybe thats because I have both installed?
[08:41] <intelikey> force-all ???
[08:41] <intelikey> what did i miss ?
[08:41] <justin_> I don't know how to grab files on here
[08:42] <SolidSource> well force all is only needed if you use 64bit
[08:42] <ForgeAus> dcc justin
[08:42] <ForgeAus> you can send/get files over IRC via DCC
[08:42] <ForgeAus> not sure what kind of support Konversation has or hasn't for it however...
[08:43] <justin_> Allright I didn't explicitly say actually how clueless I really am with this
[08:43] <justin_> irc too
[08:43] <justin_> =)
[08:43] <intelikey> /dcc send nickname file
[08:43] <justin_> Ah, thanks!
[08:43] <intelikey> /dcc get nickname file
[08:43] <nalioth> intelikey: i like ebooks
[08:43] <SolidSource> does that work even if he isn't registered?
[08:44] <intelikey> nalioth yeah.
[08:44] <SolidSource> /dcc send justin_ /media/programs/Linux/Apps/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[08:44] <justin_> It doesn't recognize /DCC get
[08:44] <SolidSource> yeah DCC didn't work
[08:44] <intelikey> SolidSource i'm not sure.
[08:45] <justin_> Just /dcc brings up a new tab
[08:45] <kjean-pierre> hello every body
[08:45] <justin_> Hola
[08:45] <SolidSource> /dcc send justin_
[08:45] <SolidSource> /dcc
[08:45] <kjean-pierre> espagna?como esta?
[08:45] <SolidSource> might not work since I'm using kopete
[08:45] <justin_> Oh gotcha
[08:45] <justin_> I'll try a google search for that deb file
[08:46] <intelikey> SolidSource you registered ?
[08:46] <SolidSource> yep
[08:47] <justin_> I'm not, is that why?
[08:47] <intelikey> ummmm hmmmm SolidSource seems to be firewalled in or something.
[08:48] <extern> has anyone had any issues with fglrx after the update? it says now that direct rendering is not supported
[08:48] <sancho21> Ok then. Has anybody installed ejabberd on their local network + internet?
[08:48] <justin_> Hmm
[08:48] <SolidSource> intelikey: no, both have to be registered...cause you can't send private messages to none registered ppl either
[08:48] <justin_> Dcc won't let me grab it, I see it intelikey
[08:48] <intelikey> justin_ can you get that?
[08:49] <intelikey> SolidSource i am registered
[08:49] <justin_> Ah
[08:49] <justin_> Ok cool that worked
[08:49] <intelikey> and justin_ can dcc get.
[08:49] <intelikey> we just proved it.
[08:50] <justin_> Although I have no idea where it went.. =)
[08:50] <SolidSource> ok maybe it didn't sign me in
[08:51] <SolidSource> for some reason its not letting me sign in
[08:51] <intelikey> /msg nickserv identify password
[08:52] <daleach> I have a problem that resembles this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-166753.html
[08:53] <SolidSource> intelikey: notta
[08:53] <daleach> I got it from tryign to apt-get install all the nvidia packages
[08:53] <daleach> at same time (whoops? or is this not supposed to break it?)
[08:53] <daleach> i left out legacy
[08:54] <intelikey> SolidSource client ?
[08:54] <SolidSource> kopete
[08:55] <intelikey> that can auto identify
[08:55] <justin_> It timed out
[08:55] <SolidSource> well its set up to...
[08:55] <intelikey> i'm not sure what you need to change.
[08:55] <christene> anyone around who can help me out?
[08:55] <SolidSource> maybe, whats the question
[08:56] <SolidSource> ?
[08:56] <intelikey> yes what is the question.
[08:56] <intelikey> :)
[08:56] <christene> newb to ubuntu. k, i have a netgear wireless card in the laptop i am using and cant get it to recognize my network
[08:56] <extern> has anyone had any problems with dark images not being displayed correctly?
[08:56] <christene> i can see it but and connect but i cant pull any pages or anything else
[08:56] <intelikey> !wifi | christene
[08:56] <ubotu> christene: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:57] <intelikey> been there ?
[08:57] <justin_> Samba?
[08:57] <SolidSource> hmm, never used removable wireless cards...always go internal
[08:57] <christene> i am just clueless cause i am totally new to ubuntu
[08:57] <christene> trying the link you gave me though
[08:58] <justin_> SolidSource I can't respond, I don't know bud...
[08:58] <intelikey> well i'm clueless but for entirely different reasons
[08:58] <SolidSource> justin_: the download not go through?
[08:58] <justin_> Hehe
[08:58] <justin_> Naw it timed out
[08:58] <justin_> Not sure why
[08:58] <SolidSource> damn my connection sucks
[08:59] <SolidSource> my ISP hates their customers
[08:59] <intelikey> SolidSource can you grab that test file ?
[08:59] <justin_> I found a couple .deb files from a site somewhere, but I don't really know what to do with them?
[08:59] <justin_> Who is your isp?
[08:59] <SolidSource> intelikey: didn't see nothin come in
[08:59] <mike_> is it ok to make the ubuntu desktop a server?
[08:59] <intelikey> check tabs
[09:00] <SolidSource> justin_: some unknown local company...Readytek.net....its the only thing in my area
[09:00] <justin_> Oh, bastards
[09:00] <SolidSource> intelikey: didn't get a message
[09:00] <daleach> justin_: u know bout dpkg
[09:00] <intelikey> mike_ yeah.   most people don't want/need all the gui stuff on a server... but there is nothing wrong with it.
[09:00] <SolidSource> only go the IRC righ now
[09:01] <justin_> Ah no, but I'll try it really quick, SS gave me a command to run
[09:01] <daleach> dpkg -i
[09:01] <daleach> man dpkg for that stuff i think
[09:01] <justin_> Many thanks, lemme give it a shot
[09:01] <christene> okay still really lost. can anyone please help me?
[09:01] <SolidSource> christene: you said you can connect with the card?
[09:02] <mike_> intelikey: thanx, is there any disadvantages or advantages?
[09:02] <daleach> she prob needs to run
[09:02] <christene> i can see my router and connect to it but i cant pull any pages
[09:02] <daleach> dhcpclient wlan0 or whatever it is
[09:02] <daleach> like that
[09:02] <intelikey> mike_ depends on your security modle i suspose
[09:02] <christene> i have a netgear wg511t pcmia card. i got it cause i was told it works right out of the box in ubuntu
[09:02] <SolidSource> christene: using any kind of security features?
[09:03] <SolidSource> christene: mac filtering or wep?
[09:03] <daleach> yeah could be ur router's security
[09:03] <christene> i was using them both before, let me check to see which one i turned off
[09:04] <Ayabara> hi. any kdbg users here?
[09:04] <SolidSource> yeah, course usually it shouldn't even let you connect if the security isn't met
[09:04] <christene> now i have it setup in acl mode
[09:04] <christene> does that make a difference?
[09:04] <daleach> u prob don't want that
[09:04] <christene> should i turn it off in that case?
[09:05] <daleach> i would just to make it simple for starters in ur router settings u mean?
[09:05] <Ayabara> when I try to start kdg with "kdbg -p pid" it doesn't seem to attach to the process. "ddd -p pid" works the way it should.
[09:05] <christene> what do you mean?
[09:05] <blue|palm> Does anybody know if there exists a driver for my Canon MP160's scanner?
[09:06] <intelikey> SolidSource /exec echo boo > testfile
[09:06] <daleach> hey Ayabara what is the package for kdbg ?
[09:06] <daleach> is there one?
[09:06] <intelikey> and send it to me.  i'll see if you can send.   i'm suspecting you can't do that either
[09:06] <SolidSource> intelikey: nope
[09:07] <SolidSource> hold on
[09:08] <SolidSource> k sent
[09:08] <justin_> Ok I used dpkg to install the two deb files, w32codecs.deb and libdvdcss2, is there something else I have to do?
[09:08] <justin_> Seems like it worked
[09:08] <justin_> but Kaffeine still won't play avi's
[09:08] <SolidSource> did you install the Gstreamer plugins?
[09:09] <christene_> back, anyone there who can help me out?
[09:09] <justin_> Me SS? If so, no
[09:09] <SolidSource> you need those too
[09:09] <justin_> Oh ok
[09:09] <intelikey> SolidSource was that supposed to be empty ?
[09:09] <SolidSource> !restricted
[09:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:09] <SolidSource> intelikey: its just supposed to contain the work "testing"
[09:10] <newest007> hey there, ive really found that the gnome desktop top is really rubbish, im going to change to KDE, how do i do this cleanly though? last time i installed KDE alot of gnome stuff was left behind and clogged up my menus
[09:10] <intelikey> nope  nothing
[09:10] <SolidSource> well I'm going to have to kill my ISP
[09:10] <christene_> hey, can anyone please help me with my networking problem?
[09:10] <intelikey> CDCC Auto-geting file test.txt from [SolidSource]
[09:10] <intelikey> -:- DCC Unable to create connection: No route to host
[09:11] <daleach> christene: what directions are u following
[09:11] <SolidSource> yeah, thats my ISP blocking it
[09:11] <intelikey> i got an empty inode showing that it did try.
[09:11] <christene_> i dont really have any, i was just kind of browsing and seing what i could come up with
[09:11] <Ayabara> daleach, kdbg ..
[09:11] <june> how long should a memtest usually take with a 2ghz proccessor and 2gb of ram?
[09:11] <newest007> hey there, ive really found that the gnome desktop top is really rubbish, im going to change to KDE, how do i do this cleanly though? last time i installed KDE alot of gnome stuff was left behind and clogged up my menus
[09:12] <intelikey> june how many passes ?
[09:12] <daleach> christene i woudl turn the access control list's off in the router and security off... start from there
[09:12] <SolidSource> newest007: yeah, downloading the kubuntu disc and installing from it
[09:12] <june> intelikey: honestly i have no clue, should it say that on the display somewhere? i've never run memtest before
[09:12] <christene_> i use iwconfig to see my card and i can but it still wont pull a page
[09:13] <daleach> Ayabara: i get nothing for "aptitude search kdbg"
[09:13] <daleach> i think u just solved my problem my lists are out of date or whatever?
[09:13] <mike_> june: i got a 1 gig memory and it takes a long time
[09:13] <daleach> iwconfig doesn't do it though if i remember correctly
[09:13] <daleach> so u don't need modprobe
[09:13] <daleach> u already have ur card and stuff
[09:13] <intelikey> june i did run it one time.  and if i recall there is a pass number some place lower left quarter i think
[09:13] <june> intelikey: ok, well apparently it's on test 4 pass 2?
[09:13] <daleach> guys isn't it dhclient wlan0
[09:13] <june> lemme check how many passes though
[09:13] <daleach> or somethign?
[09:14] <Ayabara> daleach, I found it in the repositories, with apt-get. don't know which repo
[09:14] <daleach> i forgot haven't done that stuff in a bit
[09:14] <christene_> yeah, i got another one today
[09:14] <daleach> Ayabara i think that's at the root of the problem with teh nvidia stuff
[09:14] <intelikey> june ok unless it finds errors it should default to 3 passes    i think
[09:15] <blue|palm> SolidSource: They dont have any linux drivers, thanks anyway
[09:16] <SolidSource> blue|palm: ok, well I never got my canon working...ended up getting a Brother all-in-one printer with networking
[09:17] <blue|palm> SolidSource: sounds like something i should do...
[09:17] <intelikey> i never could get the scanner portion of the brother all in one  to work
[09:17] <SolidSource> blue|palm: Brother makes their own linux drivers...though can be tricky to set up
[09:17] <christene_> someone please help me!
[09:17] <SolidSource> yeah, me either
[09:18] <SolidSource> scanner just didn't seem to want to accept commands from linux
[09:18] <christene_> hello?
[09:18] <june> intelikey: well it just found one error, i'm investigating a problem with my (other) computer, openGL crashes my computer now under certain conditions, i don't know exactly what causes it, i'm thinking maybe offscreen rendering.  Is it possible that might be part of it?  (it's a laptop) but i was under the impression my video memory was dedicated, not shared
[09:19] <SolidSource> christene_: have you turned you routers security off?
[09:19] <christene_> yes i have
[09:19] <christene_> no security whatsoever
[09:19] <blue|palm> SolidSource: From what ive seen hp have invested interest in linux, do they provide drivers?
[09:19] <SolidSource> christene_: hmm
[09:19] <blue|palm> Does anybody know whether hp provicde printer drivers for linux or not?
[09:20] <christene_> all my card does it blink
[09:20] <SolidSource> blue|palm: I don't know...I hate HP just as much as I hate Microsoft
[09:20] <blue|palm> SolidSource: woah...
[09:20] <SolidSource> christene_: I'm just wondering if there is need for a driver for the card...even in linux
[09:20] <blue|palm> SolidSource: I dont hate either of them, they do business... and provide good products. its just that they are expensive...
[09:20] <mike_> hi, im planning to make a email server, how do u admin it? just back-up files?
[09:21] <christene_> well, the card i have is a netgear wg511t if that tells you anything. i have no idea how to use ndiswrapper with the windoes drivers either
[09:22] <daleach> christene
[09:22] <daleach> what is ur iwconfig
[09:22] <SolidSource> blue|palm: yeah well...I have reasons, I have kind of a inside view into microsoft...and I hate HP because my products from them always broke really easily
[09:22] <daleach> is it wlan0
[09:22] <daleach> type dhclient wlan0 then try browsing
[09:22] <daleach> i couldn't remember it hehe
[09:22] <christene_> are you talking to me?
[09:22] <daleach> yes
[09:22] <christene_> oky
[09:23] <daleach> u said u saw it with iwconfig right?
[09:23] <blue|palm> SolidSource: did you work for microsoft by any chance :)
[09:23] <SolidSource> blue|palm: no, but know someone that does
[09:23] <christene_> yes, it recognizing it from what i see
[09:23] <blue|palm> SolidSource: I see... i cant really stand their policies personally
[09:23] <daleach> what dose it say
[09:23] <christene_> it comes up as a atheros card
[09:23] <daleach> as the
[09:23] <daleach> it should be somethign like wlan0
[09:23] <daleach> do u see "wlan0"
[09:23] <blue|palm> or ath0
[09:24] <daleach> christene: take whatever it is xxx0 and type dhclient xxx0 (or am i crazy guys? missing a step?)
[09:24] <christene_> there is already a pid file /var/run/dhcllient
[09:25] <xenophile7x7> ok, konversation is kicking my ass..is there a way to set auto-ops and scripts and such?
[09:25] <SolidSource> christene_: you could try using KDEs Wassistant
[09:25] <SolidSource> or Knetwork
[09:26] <christene_> right now i am using the wireless assistant 0.5.5
[09:27] <christene_> its telling me i am connected but i can never pull a page when i detached my hardline
[09:28] <christene_> going to detach it again and try
[09:28] <christene_> can you all still see what i am saying?
[09:29] <christene_> hello?
[09:29] <christene_> anyone there?
[09:29] <daleach> yes
[09:29] <xenophile7x7> christene: we can see you
[09:29] <daleach> we all see u
[09:29] <christene_> now i am confused
[09:29] <daleach> ur on wifi?
[09:29] <daleach> hehe
[09:30] <daleach> congratulatoins if u are hah
[09:30] <SolidSource> who knows....these wifi issues are why I still use WinXP on my laptop
[09:30] <christene_> okay, i can still talk but i cant pull a page on the webrowser on here
[09:31] <SolidSource> well thats strange
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> Certain fonts I use regularly are no longer working correctly in KDE-based apps; they work correctly in OOo but not Krita, KolourPaint, ...
[09:32] <christene_> this is total bullshit
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> It looks EXACTLY like Sans Serif
[09:33] <SolidSource> christene_: well,firewall might be blocking it, but I doubt it
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> Just FYI:
[09:33] <christene_> what firewall is my question. i dont have one on here and i dont think my router has one
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> !language | christene_
[09:33] <ubotu> christene_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:34] <christene_> i'm sorry
[09:34] <SolidSource> christene_: iptables is always installed
[09:34] <christene_> just getting a little aggrivated
[09:34] <AWOSLappy> that's okay, just don't have it happen again.  it's cool :)
[09:34] <christene_> ok
[09:34] <christene_> not a problem
[09:34] <SolidSource> christene_: but I doubt its blocking
[09:35] <christene_> oh, forget it. i wanted to try this cause i've heard good things but this isnt worth it. thanx for the help all. i am going back to windows xp
[09:37] <SolidSource> christene_: yes, linux is getting close to being able to be on laptops with no problem buts its not there yet
[09:38] <christene_> i see this firsthand. nonethess i thank you for your help and anyone else who minded me bickering while i tried to work through this
[09:42] <christene_> hold on, is there anyone else using an external lappie network card on this channel?
[09:42] <daleach> christene
[09:42] <daleach> if you are on irc
[09:42] <daleach> here without the wire?
[09:42] <daleach> wirelessy?
[09:42] <daleach> its ur browser probably
[09:42] <AWOSLappy> christene_ I find that FreeBSD is easier to use when it comes to PCMCIA Network cards.
[09:43] <daleach> u have some sort of crazy proxy or something?
[09:43] <christene_> so what broswer would you recommend?
[09:43] <daleach> "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[09:43] <christene_> k
[09:43] <daleach> are u on firefox?
[09:44] <christene_> no, i was using konqueror
[09:44] <AWOSLappy> daleach she's prolly on Konqueror, which SHOULD work.
[09:44] <AWOSLappy> I don't see how Firefox would make a difference.
[09:44] <daleach> well the key there is in a clean slate ;-)
[09:44] <pCarsten> has anyone here taken Ubuntu (LPI) certification ?
[09:44] <daleach> I never had an issue with konqueror either but... i dunno
[09:45] <christene_> just used the command and i was told that the package is missing , has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[09:45] <daleach> u might have to do
[09:45] <daleach> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:46] <christene_> same thing
[09:46] <daleach> oh wait so taht's not getting out to the web either then?
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> sounds like a firewall
[09:46] <xenophile7x7> router settigns perhaps?
[09:46] <daleach> ah
[09:46] <AWOSLappy> !?
[09:46] <daleach> wait christene are u at a school?
[09:46] <daleach> college?
[09:47] <christene_> no, i am at home? i live in a college town but thats about it
[09:47] <daleach> k hehe
[09:47] <daleach> as long as u don't use them for the internet access hehe
[09:47] <christene_> oh no, i'm linux challenged. not stupid
[09:47] <SolidSource> even then shouldn't have such a problem
[09:48] <daleach> well what would allow this traffic but not
[09:48] <daleach> what site are u visiting? like www.google.com ?
[09:48] <christene_> i tried that one and it keeps timing out
[09:48] <daleach> did u try like restarting the router?
[09:48] <daleach> might want to try messing with some of that
[09:49] <daleach> did u dual boot with windows try goign in there and seeing if u have access
[09:49] <daleach> sure u will but yeah
[09:49] <SolidSource> really doubt its a router problem now
[09:49] <parkerw207> hiya guys dunno if anyone could help me
[09:49] <incorrect> other than quanta what other good web dev tools are there that are qt based?
[09:50] <parkerw207> i lose wifi signal in my bedroom , and i always have done , but when i loose it with linux its ever worse
[09:50] <parkerw207> when i go and search for my router again
[09:50] <parkerw207> it doesnt find it
[09:50] <christene_> i didnt dual boot. previously i had windows xp on this machine but its to intensive to run on here. my lappie kept overheating and stalling
[09:50] <parkerw207> even if i am right next to it
[09:51] <daleach> from my experience kubuntu was more intense than my windows on my really old dino laptop
[09:51] <daleach> i used to use xfce or whatever for my laptop
[09:51] <daleach> with ubuntu
[09:52] <daleach> can someone please answer this question this time around? heh... so i get "The module Display could not be loaded." in Display - System Settings
[09:52] <christene_> with ubuntu i use less battery and the overall performance is better. thats why i wanted to switch to it
[09:52] <SolidSource> daleach: your video driver is screwed up
[09:52] <daleach> from system settings-> display.... it gives me... The diagnostics is:  blank..... possible reasons: an error occured during your last kde upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
[09:53] <daleach> yeah
[09:53] <daleach> "you have old third party modules lying aruond"
[09:53] <AWOSLappy> XFCE + Ubuntu = Xubuntu.
[09:53] <SolidSource> daleach: did you upgrade and not reinstall video driver?
[09:54] <daleach> 2 things i did.... one originally (i don't think this is the issue was tried to run nvidia bla bla.run...the one from the nvidia site.......it DIDN'T install though because was missing the kernel it needed
[09:54] <daleach> so then i did apt-get the nvidia and then got this..
[09:54] <daleach> this is a brand new kubuntu
[09:54] <SolidSource> thats why
[09:54] <SolidSource> you have 2 video drivers installed
[09:54] <daleach> all i did was really apt-get a bunch of those packages i thin
[09:55] <SolidSource> don't use nvidia's website for the driver...just apt-get
[09:55] <SolidSource> adept
[09:55] <daleach> ok i was told that
[09:55] <daleach> but
[09:55] <daleach> ok i ran update and upgrade
[09:55] <daleach> i forgot....ther'es a clean isn't there
[09:56] <SolidSource> well the only way I was able to solve such a problem when I had it was by reinstalling the entire and starting over
[09:57] <daleach> holy @#$
[09:57] <daleach> because other than doing some partition stuff..... i just copied my stuff over and moved my .rc's etc..
[09:57] <daleach> on debian i installed the nvidia off of their site
[09:58] <daleach> custom edited my xf86config
[09:58] <SolidSource> well you might be able to remove the driver from the site....
[09:58] <daleach> for my 2 widescreen monitors
[09:58] <daleach> any idea where that stuff goes?
[09:58] <incorrect> damn quanta keeps crashing
[09:58] <daleach> i know the ftp attempt failed
[09:58] <SolidSource> well, (k)ubuntu doesn't do everything exactly like debian
[09:59] <SolidSource> though the nvidia's website instruct should work...they tend not to
[09:59] <daleach> when it tried to get stuff then...once i gave kubuntu gcc and make, libc(why the heck doesn't this come with those?)....it was asking for the kernel locatoin
[09:59] <daleach> and i dind't know where that stuff was hehe so i just stopped
[09:59] <daleach> i don't THINK at that point it actually did anything
[10:00] <SolidSource> well, thats the point of using Adept and apt-get...cause it knows that stuff
[10:00] <incorrect> where does quanta store its config?
[10:01] <SolidSource> don't know...don't use
[10:02] <daleach> k i'm using adept
[10:02] <daleach> so..... i'm doing remove
[10:02] <daleach> on all nvidia
[10:02] <daleach> what does purge do?
[10:03] <SolidSource> deletes the evidence...in essence, not sure if it will catch the files installed by Nvidia's run script
[10:03] <n4cht>  what's the kde default network manager's startup command?
[10:03] <daleach> the "nv" that's listed by default on my system is NOT the nvidia drivers? that's so stupid and deceptive
[10:03] <Sekaab> Good Morning
[10:03] <daleach> yeah the downloaded stuff
[10:04] <daleach> its liek a make clean right i guess?
[10:04] <daleach> ideally knows all of where it writes to
[10:04] <adydas> dont start me on nvida drivers
[10:04] <SolidSource> don't know what the command for that is
[10:04] <daleach> don't start me on linux
[10:04] <daleach> to purge in adept u right click
[10:05] <adydas> apparantly my kernel source dont match my version of nvidia driver
[10:05] <n4cht> i had a fun little adventure with the nvidia drivers today.  i couldn't get my updated drivers to work after updating my kernel.  (same problem adydas just mentioned, actually) and then i realized -why-.
[10:05] <adydas> oh tell me
[10:05] <n4cht> i updated my kernel, but didn't reboot into said updated kernel.
[10:06] <adydas> mines booting into the new one
[10:06] <n4cht> new driver + old kernel = mistmatch.  lol.
[10:06] <SolidSource> nv is the same as using the built in driver for video in windows.....you don't get all the features until you install the official driver
[10:06] <adydas> n4cht: ok, how did you resolve it
[10:06] <adydas> got any website links you used to remedy it
[10:07] <n4cht> adydas, did you apt-get install linux-restricted-modules`-uname -r`-generic  ? (which should also update your kernel with the generic, as it's a dep for the restricted modules package.)
[10:08] <adydas> linux-restricted-modules-generic is already the newest versio
[10:08] <adydas> m
[10:08] <adydas> n
[10:08] <ismail> hey guys
[10:09] <Sekaab> morning ismail
[10:09] <n4cht> adydas, that's just plain weird then.    all i did was apt-get clean, apt-get install linux-restricted-modules`-uname -r`-generic, apt-get remove nvidia-glx, apt-get clean (one more time for good measure) and apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:09] <ismail> hows everyone doing?
[10:10] <n4cht> and then reboot into the kernel with the highest version number.
[10:10] <ismail> whats that about a kernal upgdate?
[10:10] <Sekaab> just fine, only following the discussion here
[10:11] <adydas> what version you using out of intrest there n4cht
[10:11] <adydas> 2.6.18?
[10:11] <n4cht> Linux black 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:11] <ismail> how do u get the kernal version?
[10:12] <ismail> i wanna check!
[10:12] <adydas> uname 0r
[10:12] <adydas> -r
[10:12] <n4cht> mind you, i haven't rebooted yet.
[10:12] <adydas> yeah
[10:12] <n4cht> i just use /exec -o uname -a
[10:12] <adydas> when ever i reboot it goes pearshapped
[10:12] <adydas> boots to console
[10:12] <adydas> needs a manual edit of x11.conf to change from nvidia to nv to get x back online
[10:13] <adydas> i cant understand how it installs and works, Untill i reboot
[10:13] <n4cht> i'd say it's a case of the normal "nvidia driver falling behind in versions while the kernel chugs ahead" thing that happens almost every kernel update, honestly.
[10:13] <adydas> it loads the nvidia splash screen. It shows all the stuff in the nvidia manager for KDE, shows the GPU temp and tv output. reboot and Boof
[10:13] <ismail> adydas u wanna chance the nvidia to nv?...i think u change it in the script i think
[10:14] <adydas> well no, i want to Keep it using nvidia not nv
[10:14] <daleach> what does it mean whe u have a c next to ur thing in aptitude?
[10:14] <adydas> im going back to nv to stop it screen failing
[10:14] <daleach> the linux restricked module u said...has the c
[10:14] <n4cht> daleach, i don't know.  i came to ubuntu from slackware.  i don't use gui tools.
[10:15] <daleach> if u type aptitude search
[10:15] <daleach> firefox for instance
[10:15] <daleach> inur console
[10:15] <n4cht> i'm actually only in here because i need to know the name of the default kde network manager for a network sharing wiki entry i'm writing.
[10:16] <daleach> anyway it gives u text out
[10:16] <daleach> not a gui only
[10:16] <ismail> say how do umake a programstart at log in?...
[10:22] <daleach> n4cht: i think you may have fixed all my problems :P
[10:22] <daleach> :)
[10:23] <daleach> i still get thsi junk but... gives me another image to reload into right? so i should log out and stuff
[10:23] <daleach> cross my fingers or something
[10:31] <SolidSource> anyone know what folder application icons are stored? or are they spread out all over
[10:43] <zorglu_> q. my fsck got killed by oom kernel killer during boot... i got very weird things happening with disk since i updated to edgy, like doing fsck every 2 boot. is there a page somewhere on the change made to disk mounting from dapper->edgy
[10:44] <sancho21> anybody know hardware information like Everest in Linux? So I can easily know my hardware specification
[10:47] <SolidSource> yes
[10:48] <SolidSource> kinfocenter = kinfocenter -caption "%c" %i %m
[10:48] <zorglu_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/63175 <- ok im not the only one to get the fsck bug :)
[10:48] <zorglu_> but it is a pain to boot in 30min with edgy while it was under 1min on dapper
[10:49] <SolidSource> hmm...haven't had the problem..so no idea
[10:50] <samiam010203> it defanitly should not take that long to boot the system. hum.
[10:51] <samiam010203> did you try and boot with the live disc to see how long that takes to rule out hardware issues
[10:54] <zorglu_> samiam010203: it is a bug as it was perfectly ok with dapper, and start being wrong the day i updated to edgy
[10:54] <samiam010203> i never had that problem with edgy though thats why i wounder about hardware
[10:54] <zorglu_> samiam010203: moreover other people reporting the exact same issue tends to say it is not my personnal hardware :)
[10:55] <samiam010203> true
[10:55] <samiam010203> did you try feisty yet?
[10:55] <zorglu_> one guys got a workaround "disabeling all fsck in fstab"
[10:55] <SolidSource> now that would not help...feisty = many many problems
[10:55] <samiam010203> no, im running it now very stable
[10:55] <zorglu_> samiam010203: nope :) and  i wont for the next 6month :)
[10:56] <samiam010203> fesity comes out in 2 months
[10:56] <zorglu_> my policy is update 4month after the official release date, thus major bugs got fixed
[10:56] <samiam010203> ok sounds good
[10:56] <zorglu_> but sometime it is not enougth, as my fsck issue show :)
[10:57] <samiam010203> hum.
[10:57] <samiam010203> anyone in here going to ubucon today in nyc?
[10:58] <SolidSource> if I was in NYC I would
[10:58] <samiam010203> solidsource : where are you?
[10:58] <samiam010203> im in nyc , bronx
[10:59] <SolidSource> on the other side of the country
[10:59] <samiam010203> ok
[10:59] <samiam010203> to bad
[10:59] <samiam010203> it looks like its going to be a gas i already got dressed for it
[10:59] <SolidSource> yes yes...I used to live in NYC ...but that was so long ago
[10:59] <samiam010203> what part
[11:00] <kubuntu_tester> hello folks
[11:00] <samiam010203> hello there
[11:01] <kubuntu_tester> is it possible to control access to my linuxbox from X to Y hours?
[11:02] <kubuntu_tester> example: john wants to use a pc at 11 o'clock but he cant coz the system rejects his ident/auth process
[11:05] <fernando> !grub
[11:05] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:05] <samiam010203> grand unified boot loader baby!
[11:05] <burma7> !acpi
[11:05] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[11:07] <SolidSource> I'm sure there is...just not sure how
[11:07] <SolidSource> misstype
[11:08] <SolidSource> kinda
[11:09] <SolidSource> why can't azureus just be installed with the system install....screw ktorrent
[11:11] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: get your question answered?
[11:11] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: nope
[11:11] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: youi go into system settings >> user management and adjust their profile
[11:12] <SolidSource> oh wait....
[11:13] <SolidSource> thats password only...
[11:14] <SolidSource> you can do it easy through a server...but thats external access only
[11:17] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: I'm reading cron manual
[11:18] <waylandbill> grrr. stupid wallet. what's the point if I have to keep typing my passwords anyway. >:-|
[11:19] <SolidSource> yeah...eventually it saves them
[11:20] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: from what I can tell that feature has yet to be implemented on a system bases
[11:21] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: where can I get more information about?
[11:22] <kraut> moin
[11:22] <Jiraiya> Yo
[11:23] <SolidSource> kubuntu_tester: there really isn't much...found a forum with someone who asked about same thing..but no useful responses
[11:23] <kubuntu_tester> SolidSource: oh okay, thanks
[11:23] <kubuntu_tester> I have to go now, see you!
[11:24] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: where are the system users saved?
[11:25] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: what you mean? like root?
[11:25] <lucio_> hi!
[11:25] <Jiraiya> Quand j clik sur un icon
[11:25] <Jiraiya> il me dis
[11:25] <Jiraiya> ca :
[11:25] <Jiraiya> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6082/
[11:25] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: also what are you trying to do?
[11:25] <Jiraiya> Et j'ai plusieur choix de reponse
[11:25] <Jiraiya> Mais c'est en anglais j capte que dal
[11:26] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: no, isn't there a place, a text file, that contains all system users and the groups they belong to?
[11:26] <hyper_ch> !fr | Jiraiya
[11:26] <ubotu> Jiraiya: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:26] <Jiraiya> dsl
[11:26] <Jiraiya> j croyais que j etait sur le bon chan :/
[11:27] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: don't know...only use the user manager...so I don't screw things up
[11:27] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: well, that would solve the problem of kubuntu-tester... he could then by cron "exchange" that file :)
[11:28] <SolidSource> hyper_ch: cron sets user login time quotas?
[11:28] <hyper_ch> SolidSource: no, if you have a file containing all system users... then you can make like multiple copies of it
[11:28] <waylandbill> hyper_ch: yes. /etc/group and /etc/passwd