[00:07] <athanor1723> I'm trying to do a dist update, and it's really slow (everything is already downloaded), can I remount / with some option to speed it up?  Btrfs filesystem
[00:09] <sarnold> athanor1723: can you mount with noatime? that might save some needless writes
[00:12] <athanor1723> Is it safe to remount it noatime while in use?
[00:14] <sarnold> it should, yes
[00:18] <athanor1723> Looks like that may have speeded it up a bit ( 4sec per small package, instead of 5sec).  Still going to take about 8hr to finish. :(
[00:22] <athanor1723> I just tried doing nodatacow as well, but it just started hitting some gnome packages, so I can't tell (I was timing small packages with only a couple files)
[00:24] <sarnold> you shouldn't be able to time those :(
[05:09] <Mirv> uh, and here again :)
[08:56] <Mirv> pitti: would you be available for some packaging acks while didrocks' machine is in autodestruction mode?
[08:56] <pitti> Mirv: sure
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: eww, problems?
[08:57] <didrocks> pitti: run any command
[08:57] <didrocks> like even ls
[08:57] <didrocks> I just installed, and then removed the emulator…
[08:57] <Mirv> pitti: mir: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Mir/job/cu2d-mir-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_mir_0.1.1+14.04.20131120-0ubuntu1.diff
[08:57] <Mirv> pitti: unity-system-compositor: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Mir/job/cu2d-mir-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-system-compositor_0.0.2+14.04.20131120-0ubuntu1.diff
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: did that replace your libc6 with the arm package?
[08:58] <Mirv> pitti: platform-api: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Platform/job/cu2d-platform-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_platform-api_0.19+14.04.20131119.1-0ubuntu1.diff
[08:58] <didrocks> pitti: I guess it's what happened
[08:58] <pitti> "Stop depending on libboost-all-dev, it is verboten." - *chuckle*
[08:58] <didrocks> pitti: I think I'm good for booting on a usb stick
[08:58] <Mirv> didrocks: sounds fun! live usb boot and ar x a x86 deb?
[08:58] <didrocks> yeah
[08:58] <didrocks> or chroot + clean install of libc6
[08:58] <didrocks> if that's the cause
[08:58] <pitti> sudo dpkg -i --root=/mnt
[08:59] <didrocks> pitti: well, I have no sudo either right now :p
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: on a live system, I mean
[08:59] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:59] <pitti> mount your root in /mnt
[08:59] <didrocks> oh right, better than a chroot
[08:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[08:59] <didrocks> pitti: sorry, I'm just in panic mode right now :p
[08:59] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: tu as cassé l'énumerateur de didrocks !
[08:59] <seb128> didrocks, salut, je te demande pas, je note de pas essayer l'emulateur
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, je nie!
[09:00] <seb128> c'est pas moi !
[09:00] <seb128> ;-)
[09:00] <didrocks> seb128: ou tu peux! viens, c'est fun :)
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: it was a gnome update !!
[09:00] <seb128> haha
[09:00] <seb128> iz gtk bog
[09:00] <seb128> ;-)
[09:00] <pitti> *G*libc
[09:00] <seb128> who needs a libc
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: those were the day..
[09:00] <seb128> yeah...
[09:01] <Fudus> What is the status of 14.04 staying on 3.8 or 3.10 anyhow? Or  is that still to be decided.
[09:02] <seb128> Fudus, you can read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-November/004343.html for details
[09:02] <pitti> Mirv: unity-system-compositor: new version removes /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-unity-system-compositor.conf, that needs a corresponding .maintscripts to clean it up on upgrade
[09:03] <Laney> hey
[09:03] <Laney> seb128: ogra_: sorry for missing that one
[09:03] <pitti> Mirv: I assume the new qt dependencies are justified
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, hey ... context?
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, oh, the session, no worry
[09:04] <pitti> Mirv: mir ack
[09:05] <Mirv> pitti: ok. it got moved to ubuntu-desktop-mir. the Qt dependencies come from the DBus interface addition which then uses Qt.
[09:06] <pitti> Mirv: ok; so except for the missing .maintscripts it looks good to me
[09:06] <Mirv> pitti: ok, I'll look at that still then. thanks.
[09:24] <sil2100> seb128: hello! Do you have any free cycles right now? ;)
[09:25] <seb128> sil2100, hey, sort of, busy doing morning catchup and looking a vUDS schedule for the day, I can probably sneak a bit of review or answering questions though
[09:27] <sil2100> seb128: I would like to get someone to sponsor a new version of a package - you already source and binary NEWed the previous one yesterday, I want to release the new one with some packaging fixes that got piled-up
[09:27] <sil2100> seb128: lp:zmqpp/ubuntu
[09:27] <sil2100> seb128: just if you have a free moment ;) I can provide a debdiff if better
[09:28] <sil2100> seb128: maybe in this case a debdiff would be indeed more useful, so preparing
[09:28] <Laney> if they're not urgent you can use the sponsor queue
[09:30] <seb128> sil2100, I can do sponsoring sure
[09:30] <sil2100> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6447244/ <- debdiff in case it seems better
[09:30] <sil2100> THank you!
[09:31] <sil2100> Laney: true, but I guess the unity scopes guys would be happy to get this today ;)
[09:35] <Laney> shrug
[09:35] <seb128> sil2100, is the missing depends what bothers them?
[09:35] <seb128> sil2100, I can sponsor it
[09:35] <Laney> ok, looking at eds/goa
[09:36] <seb128> Laney, \o/ I can join you/help with uploads in a bit
[09:36] <Laney> cool
[09:36] <Laney> got to remember if there was some ordering required
[09:40] <ogra_> Laney, no problem ... we can do it on the go i guess ... (we need mpt first anyway i guess, i doubt there is a "developer mode" switch in his designs yet)
[09:41] <Laney> indeed
[09:44] <sil2100> seb128: yes ;) Thanks! It's just pure packaging things
[09:45] <Laney> ogra_: File a bug report against u-s-s & describe what needs to be exposed in UI & how to do that in code, then assign mpt to get a design
[09:48] <ogra_> ok
[09:58] <seb128> sil2100, sponsored
[10:21] <sil2100> seb128: \o/
[10:24] <Laney> g-o-a will block on webkitgtk/arm64
[10:24] <Laney> we probably shouldn't do that transition just now
[10:32] <Mirv> pitti: is this anywhere near what you were wishing? https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/unity-system-compositor/clean_conffile/+merge/195934
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: uh, no -- you just want a debian/unity-system-compositor.maintscripts with a rm_conffile
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: that'll create the necessary preinst, postrm, etc. scripts
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: man dpkg-maintscript-helper
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: sorry, I thought saying ".maintscripts" would have been enough, as it has been around for quite a while
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: actually, you want mv_conffile as it moved to a different package
[10:34] <Mirv> pitti: thank you, no harm done refreshing memories of the packaging scripts :) I'll look at that next.
[10:34] <pitti> Mirv: people might have modified it, then that saves a dpkg conffile prompt
[10:44] <seb128> didrocks, did you manage to sort it out?
[10:45] <didrocks> seb128: yeah! ;)
[10:45] <didrocks> just now
[10:46] <didrocks> phew!
[10:46] <seb128> didrocks, good that you got it resolved at least ;-)
[10:46] <didrocks> indeed ;) well, my system isn't clean, but it's a start
[10:46] <Laney> in good time for UDS :P
[10:46] <didrocks> heh
[10:46] <seb128> haha
[10:47] <didrocks> that will teach me to be an early adopter :p
[10:47] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, stop slacking!
[10:47]  * Laney begins the webkit workaround fest
[10:47]  * didrocks goes back to precise, like ogra_
[10:47] <Laney> life sucks when you cant test build
[10:47] <seb128> LTS\o/
[10:48] <Mirv> pitti: a mv_conffile with same old and new conf file name didn't seem to work. the version specific rm_conffile would seem to do its job even when both upgrading and installing the new package at the same time: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/unity-system-compositor/clean_conffile/+merge/195934
[10:49] <pitti> Mirv: ah, sorry; mv_conffile was for renames, not for moving between packages; so rm_conffile is right
[10:49] <seb128> Laney, what happened to e-d-s/goa uploads?
[10:49] <Laney> I said ^^^ that goa will block on webkit
[10:50] <Laney> eds can probably go in though, will do this test and then that
[10:50] <Mirv> pitti: also, I found that .maintscript, not .maintscripts helps :) ok, so if that looks ok can you approve?
[10:51] <pitti> Mirv: just done, thanks for fixing
[10:51] <Mirv> pitti: thanks!
[10:52] <seb128> Laney, oh ok, I didn't see what you said earlier, just read it now
[10:52] <seb128> Laney, no hurry to do the transitions, so maybe let's sort out webkit first
[10:53] <Laney> I think eds goes in on its own
[10:55] <seb128> good
[10:57] <seb128> mlankhorst, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1184451 ?
[10:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1184451 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 13.10 random screen freeze while Normal OS activites" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:58] <seb128> doesn't seem driver specific but it seems to be an issue for quite some users, would be good to have it triaged correctly/reassigned to the right place in case that's a kernel issue
[10:59] <mlankhorst> seb128: could be multiple problems squashed in the same bug :/
[10:59] <seb128> right, still having some triaging would be good
[10:59] <mlankhorst> could be -> very likely
[11:05] <seb128> ok, I'm out for some errands and lunch, back in ~1.5 hours
[11:06] <Laney> uploading eds
[11:12] <mlankhorst> seb128: well I listed the bugs I know about from nouveau's side.
[11:16] <didrocks> sil2100: do you think you are going to upload the new packages today? (both?)
[11:23] <sil2100> didrocks: you mean through cu2d? :) Yes
[11:24] <didrocks> sil2100: great!
[12:36] <ogra_> wow, the tooltip of the reload button with the latest firefox is gigantic
[12:36]  * ogra_ gets a huge black box with tiny text in the top left
[13:24]  * seb128 hopes Laney doesn't get crazy over webkit
[13:24] <Laney> hahaha
[13:25] <Laney> it's really really annoying using the archive to do test builds
[13:25] <Laney> I'll give it a rest for now
[13:29] <mitya57> Laney: did you see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/153691641/qtwebkit-source_2.3.2-0ubuntu2_2.3.2-0ubuntu3.diff.gz, btw?
[13:29] <Laney> mitya57: no, what's that?
[13:29] <Laney> oh, that's not relevant sadly
[13:29] <Laney> what version of webkit is that based on?
[13:30]  * mitya57 checks the user agent
[13:30] <Laney> 1.11.2
[13:31] <Laney> that fix stopped working with 2.x
[13:31] <mitya57> 537.21
[13:32] <mitya57> :(
[13:45] <Laney> seb128: I set up http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/evolution-data-server-3.10.html btw
[13:45] <Laney> packages are in NEW
[13:45] <seb128> Laney, great! how do you want to organize for rebuilds/uploads?
[13:46] <Laney> going for lunch in a minute so you can do a batch if you like
[13:46] <seb128> do you want to split work? hand it over?...
[13:46] <seb128> ok, I'm going to NEW it and start uploading
[13:46] <Laney> will need to publish though
[13:46] <seb128> vUDS starts in 15min though so let's see what I can manage to do during session
[13:46] <seb128> (I'm hosting a few I'm not participating in)
[13:47]  * Laney nods
[13:48] <Laney> changes for evolution-* are in the ppa
[13:48]  * Laney pushes evolution itself
[13:49] <seb128> cool, I guess that one is going to depwait properly
[13:49] <Laney> oh yeah, could just upload it
[13:49] <seb128> Laney, I can pocket copies stuff that have an archive version right?
[13:49] <Laney> yeah
[13:49] <Laney> without binaries, of couse
[13:50] <Laney> although that PPA does mix both transitions, so keep that in mind
[13:51] <seb128> right
[13:51] <seb128> Laney, enjoy lunch!
[13:51] <Laney> trip to the bank... :P
[14:01] <tedg> Hey xnox, I can't make it to this session, but can you go to talk about acc?  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22111/core-1311-app-framework/
[14:02] <tedg> Uhg, same time as Upstart roadmap as well.
[14:02] <xnox> tedg: i'll see if I can pop in.
[14:04] <tedg> xnox, Cool, thanks!
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, do you have Vceses ready to push for e.g evolution-indicator or should I just update/commit/push, while doing the copy, for those?
[15:32] <Laney> yeah, push for indicator
[15:32] <cyphermox> seb128: re. g-c-c
[15:32] <Laney> that's the one that is out of date and confusing
[15:32] <cyphermox> I'll upload the fix anyway, it's pretty straightforward
[15:33] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, thanks, do you plan to bugzilla.gnome.org it as well?
[15:33] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:34] <cyphermox> btw on trusty it doesn't crash
[15:34] <cyphermox> but g-c-c doesn't show the list of networks
[15:34] <cyphermox> like, only part of the panel show up for wifi
[15:35] <seb128> cyphermox, weird, g-c-c didn't change in trusty
[15:35] <cyphermox> then maybe I'm not reproducing the bug right
[15:35] <seb128> cyphermox, well, I think it's random behaviour, maybe you get lucky
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, can you sync folks from debian? doesn't make sense to ppa copy a direct sync
[15:36] <cyphermox> behavior was definitely improved with my patch anyway
[15:37] <seb128> cyphermox, great ;-)
[15:38] <attente> seb128, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-themes/1045602/+merge/195267
[15:40] <seb128> attente, sure ... is adwaita doing the same thing?
[15:40] <attente> seb128, yep
[15:41] <attente> well, we're only applying it to gnome-system-log's window
[15:41] <seb128> attente, looks fine then, still that's a bit stupid that themes need to do that for the UI to be usable ... but I guess that's not a problem we need to resolve
[15:42] <Laney> seb128: yeah, it already was one
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, you mean you synced it already? I don't see it on -changes
[15:46] <Laney> I mean the package in the PPA was a copy from debian already
[15:46] <seb128> right
[15:47] <seb128> can you sync it to the archive? (that makes more sense than me doing the pocket copy from the ppa)
[15:47] <Laney> am doing
[15:47] <seb128> I'm done with the copies, I think
[15:47] <seb128> thanks
[15:47] <seb128> powerpc is lagging behind though
[15:47] <seb128> thanks to chrisccoulson
[15:47] <seb128> tb builds taking the builders
[15:48] <Laney> wow, sagari built webkit *fast*
[15:53] <pitti> desrt: hey Ryan, how are you?
[15:54] <desrt> awful!
[15:54] <pitti> desrt: :( vUbuFlu?
[15:54] <desrt> :)
[15:54] <desrt> nah.  i'm fine :)
[15:54] <desrt> what's up?
[15:54] <pitti> desrt: I cobbled together some autopkgtests for systemd-shim: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448791/ (lifecycle), and http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448794/ (power)
[15:55] <desrt> neat
[15:55] <pitti> in retrospect I probably should have written "power" in python
[15:55] <pitti> but *shrug*
[15:55] <desrt> do you want these upstream somehow?
[15:55] <pitti> desrt: I sat in yesterday's UDS discussion about the cgroup manager
[15:55] <pitti> desrt: no, just a FYI, and in case you have some suggestions what else you want to test
[15:55] <pitti> desrt: well, if you want them upstream, we can do that of course
[15:56] <pitti> desrt: and once we get that manager, we'll need to add the "create cgroup" etc. API into -shim, and translate it to the API of our cgroup manager
[15:56] <pitti> desrt: so I thought we should at least cover the current API before we add lots of more stuff to it
[15:58] <desrt> scary
[15:58] <pitti> desrt: amen
[15:58] <desrt> pitti: thanks for working on this
[15:58] <pitti> desrt: but once we get that cgroup manager, 204 won't work for us any more
[15:58] <pitti> desrt: but then we can at least upgrade to current systemd/logind versions again, and get a systemd compatible cgroup API
[15:59] <pitti> desrt: I'll upload that now (already locally tested with run-adt-test), unless you have some further suggestions
[16:00] <seb128> pitti, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/86c6c900c45c7a61d444a2add212730940175c24 seems new on e.u.c/14.04 (started today on the daily view)
[16:00] <seb128> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/sbin/dpkg-divert'
[16:00] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1253136
[16:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1253136 in apport (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk:FileNotFoundError:/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk@590:run_argv:run_crashes:load_report:find_file_package:get_file_package:__init__:_execute_child" [Undecided,New]
[16:00] <desrt> pitti: lennart was running around like a damn fool saying shit like "the new stuff coming to systemd is going to screw you guys so bad...."
[16:01] <desrt> pitti: any idea what that was about?  cgroup stuff?
[16:01] <pitti> seb128: oh, that's the one I fixed yesterday
[16:01] <seb128> pitti, those reports are from 2.12.7-0ubuntu1  which is the current trust version?
[16:01] <pitti> strange
[16:02] <pitti> seb128: oh, I suppose these might be older crash reports which were laying around
[16:02] <pitti> seb128: which you couldn't actually report before due to that very bug
[16:02] <seb128> k
[16:02] <pitti> seb128: so we got them today *after* we fixed apport to be able to report
[16:02] <seb128> I see
[16:02] <seb128> pitti, danke
[16:02] <pitti> desrt: roughly, yes (just a sec)
[16:03] <pitti> seb128: duped to bug 1252305
[16:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1252305 in apport (Ubuntu) "dpkg-divert not found" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252305
[16:03] <seb128> thanks
[16:04] <pitti> desrt: so, logind <= 204 created its cgroups by itself
[16:04] <pitti> desrt: >= 205 delegate this to a systemd D-BUS API, as the kernel folks want only one process to manage the /sys/fs/cgroup/ hierarchy (and system is that one)
[16:04] <pitti> desrt: we also want that behaviour as that will fix a number of security issues as well as race conditions
[16:05] <desrt> the fact that cgroups are not properly recursive seems a bit disturbing to me
[16:05] <pitti> desrt: but with a different API, as systemd's doesn't allow nested cgroups
[16:05] <pitti> desrt: yes, that's the bit that other folks have a hard time convincing Lennart of
[16:05] <desrt> well... the kernel people, indeed.
[16:05] <pitti> desrt: but it should be possible to map systemd's single-hierarchy API to our nested-hierarchy API, and the place for that would be systemd-shim
[16:05] <desrt> "one global manager" doesn't sound properly recursive
[16:06] <pitti> then logind and other bits which wants to create cgroups (libvirt?) should work
[16:06] <desrt> pitti: can this API be used for promoting processes from one cgroup to another?
[16:06] <desrt> i guess that's sort of 'the point', in fact
[16:06] <desrt> but can it lift processes out of the session?
[16:07] <pitti> desrt: I don't know; it's not even designed yet
[16:07] <desrt> :)
[16:08] <pitti> desrt: nor do I know a lot about cgroup management in general
[16:08] <pitti> desrt: but I'm not expecting to be the person to write that translation
[16:09] <desrt> :)
[16:09] <desrt> i'm just thinking about it from a userspace person
[16:09] <desrt> 's standpoint
[16:10] <desrt> like ... how can i arrange to have my user-scoped service raised out of the session?
[16:12] <desrt> this stuff is all extremely interesting
[16:12] <desrt> one thing that seems positively missing, however, is the ability to atomically SIGSTOP an entire cgroup
[16:28] <seb128> cyphermox, we need a no change rebuild of indicator-datetime for the new e-d-s ... do you recommend just doing the upload and force the next publishing to ignore that changelog?
[16:29] <seb128> (it feels like we are not going to get an indicator landing today)
[16:41] <seb128> cyphermox, I did the no change rebuild upload, just fyu
[16:41] <seb128> fyi
[16:41] <cyphermox> ok
[16:44] <didrocks> sil2100: are the new components in archive now? (think about updating the spreadsheet!)
[16:49] <sil2100> didrocks: checking! I was updating our task-list only - are those on the landing asks document as well?
[16:49] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, they are :)
[16:51] <sil2100> didrocks: they're still in the NEW queue sadly!
[16:52] <didrocks> sil2100: did you ping? raise awareness? :)
[16:53] <seb128> did anyone preNEW them?
[16:53] <mterry> seb128, heyo, I filed that welcome-wizard branch against system-settings a while ago.  Is there someone that could review it?
[16:53] <seb128> I did some reviewing yesterday but not a complete one since the debian/copyright was just wrong
[16:54] <seb128> mterry, hey, sorry, with CI down and vUDS we neglected u-s-s a bit, it's on my todolist, I'm going to try to get to it before the end of the week
[16:55] <sil2100> seb128: so it wasn't a whole review? I though that this was the thing you pointed out that needs fixing so that the package is ok?
[16:55] <mterry> seb128, ok, no rush
[16:55] <sil2100> seb128: and unity-scopes-shell was my understanding that you preNEWed today, right?
[16:55] <mterry> seb128, just wanted to make sure it was on the radar
[16:55] <seb128> sil2100, well, those were the obvious ones, need another look to make sure those are fixed and there is no other ones
[16:56] <seb128> mterry, thanks for checking, it is ;-)
[17:00] <sil2100> seb128: oh, can I ask for that then please? I thought that the reviews were final ;)
[17:00] <seb128> sil2100, sure, let me do that
[17:07] <Laney> oh dear
[17:07] <Laney> openchange transition → evolution-mapi
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, worth thing we can drop evolution-mapi from the archive
[17:08] <seb128> and upload it back to proposed
[17:09] <Laney> there's a demote-to-proposed thing
[17:14] <Laney> I wonder if it is ever possible to get used to reading diffs of diffs
[17:16]  * seb128 can't read those, always end up unpacking and applying the diff to see the changes
[17:23] <sil2100> seb128: could you give me a sign once you finish the preNEW review of those two packages?
[17:34] <seb128> sil2100, unity-scopes-shell NEWed
[17:34] <Laney> oh no I think we'll be alright with mapi
[17:34] <Laney> well, I mean we won't be blocked on arm64 since it didn't exist there before
[17:34] <seb128> great
[17:35] <Laney> still will go with openchange though so maybe need demoting if that gets stuck
[17:36] <seb128> cool
[17:37] <seb128> sil2100, ubuntu-settings-components ... ./runtests.sh is GPL but not listed in the copyright under that license (I pointed that yesterday but that probably got overlooked next to the other ones ... anyway not a blocker but to fix for the next upload)
[17:37] <seb128> sil2100, NEWed as well
[17:39] <seb128> ok, time for some exercice, bbl
[17:40] <sil2100> seb128: thanks! I probably missed this one, since I don't remember reading it - probably overlooked it
[18:29] <ricotz> Laney, hi :)
[18:31] <ricotz> Laney, why does e-d-s have no gir1.2-ecalendar-1.2 package? libecal-1.2.so gained gi-bindings
[18:34] <ricotz> Laney, ah nevermind
[18:40] <seb128> ricotz, hey, if that's an overlook, patches are welcome as usual ;-)
[19:04] <didrocks> mdeslaur: around?
[19:04] <mdeslaur> didrocks: what's up?
[19:04] <didrocks> mdeslaur: want to join the go session?
[19:04] <mdeslaur> didrocks: sarnold and sbeattie are both there I believe
[19:04] <mdeslaur> didrocks: you can ask one of them to join
[19:05] <didrocks> mdeslaur: please do :)
[19:05] <didrocks> mdeslaur: I sent them the HO links
[19:06] <mdeslaur> didrocks: jdstrand is attending
[19:06] <didrocks> mdeslaur: an nice!
[20:11] <pitti> desrt: I looked at the logs for the spinned off "no network after suspend" issue, in bug 1252121
[20:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1252121 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "missing resume signal because D-BUS connection goes away" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252121
[20:12] <pitti> desrt: do you have an off-hand idea why the shim's d-bus connection object would suddenly get invalidated?
[20:14]  * pitti waves good night
[20:21] <desrt> pitti: no.  no idea.
[22:06] <Sweetshark> um, alioth host indentification changed. Does anyone have a link to a showing the new fingerprint?
[22:08] <desrt> Laney: found the ppc crasher.  valgrind bug.
[22:10] <desrt> Laney: patch is available on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710983
[22:10] <ubot2> Gnome bug 710983 in gio "Test failures on powerpc" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[22:10] <desrt> upstream bug is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278808
[22:10] <ubot2> KDE bug 278808 in general "PPC32 Special Instruction sequence clobbers R0 instead of preserving R0" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[22:10] <Ampelbein> Sweetshark: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/SSH ?
[22:16] <Sweetshark> Ampelbein: seems to be outdated. But https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=moszumanska is up-to-date.


[06:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:44] <mapps> morning
[06:45] <daftykins> o/
[06:46] <brobostigon> morning mapps and daftykins
[06:47] <diddledan> allo
[06:47] <daftykins> ah a wild dan of diddle
[06:47] <Myrtti> yaaayyy no water.
[06:48] <mapps> morning
[06:48] <mapps> 6 January 2015
[06:48] <mapps> London Gatwick
[06:48] <mapps> to Moscow Domodedovo
[06:48] <mapps> Dep 07:00 - Arr 14:50
[06:48] <mapps> Flight EZY8401
[06:48] <mapps> 1 Adult
[06:48] <mapps> 1 x £52.99
[06:48] <mapps> :P
[06:48] <mapps> all booked
[06:48] <mapps> next part get the visa
[06:49] <daftykins> :O
[06:51] <daftykins> audio seems to be working on this laptop each boot i make it do now :D
[06:51] <daftykins> lets try it again
[06:52] <daftykins> ooh there's the tell tale power off
[06:53] <daftykins> yep and it's gone
[08:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheesecake Day! :-D
[08:10] <daftykins> !
[08:11] <daftykins> now that is a day i am proud to celebrate, more so than milk chocolate day perhaps
 can get eveything from china
 i dont understand
[08:12] <mapps> silly russians
[08:12] <mapps> i went to ubuntu-ru;p
[08:14] <daftykins> and spoke english!? you devil
[08:15] <mapps> i know
[08:15] <mapps> im awful
[08:17] <foobarry> mapps: does it fly over ukraine?
[08:18] <Myrtti> fair question
[08:18] <daftykins> are you guys serious
[08:18] <daftykins> how bad is your geography :P
[08:19] <foobarry> it doesn't
[08:19] <foobarry> but it could do
[08:19] <mapps> foobarry nie
[08:19] <foobarry> it takes a wide berth north over dnmark
[08:19] <foobarry> i've flown to russia before
[08:19] <mapps> wouldt care if it did tbh
[08:20] <foobarry> ukraine is a distinct possibility
[08:20] <mapps> if somethings ginna happen it will happen
[08:20] <mapps> i cant stop it
[08:20] <foobarry> sure but i don't go playing chicken in the road
[08:20] <mapps> yea
[08:21] <daftykins> poor Malaysia Airlines :( i wonder what they're choosing as a new name
[08:21] <mapps> but 99% of flights are ok
[08:21] <mapps> yep
[08:21] <mapps> sad eh
[08:21] <daftykins> i had a look at their share price yesterday
[08:21] <mapps> nothing means anything ...all thrown away so quickly
[08:24] <foobarry> mapps: what will u be doing in russia
[08:24] <mapps> not sure
[08:25] <foobarry> oh
[08:25] <mapps> but its different bermondsey eh:P
[08:25] <foobarry> yes sort of
[08:25] <mapps> :D
[08:25] <foobarry> still high rise blocks
[08:25] <mapps> hahaha
[08:25] <foobarry> and morozhenoe
[08:25] <daftykins> you two are using very confusing words
[08:25] <mapps> how do you know bermondsey?
[08:25] <foobarry> went to a party ther once
[08:26] <mapps> cearly do by your last response
[08:26] <mapps> aha
[08:26] <mapps> lovely place eh
[08:26] <mapps> ;)
[08:26] <foobarry> was better than the party in mile end that we didn't witness a mugging at knife point
[08:26] <mapps> hahaha
[08:26] <mapps> mile end
[08:26] <mapps> lol
[08:27] <foobarry> the architect has sent his drawings to the council \o/
[08:27] <foobarry> time to engage the builders
[08:28] <mapps> hahahahaha
[08:28] <daftykins> careful, they're a dangerous sort
[08:28] <mapps> bloody didnt kniw someone would know bermondsey
[08:28] <mapps> said too much;p
[08:30] <foobarry> i never go south of river. it was an accident
[08:30] <mapps> hahaha
[08:31] <foobarry> hmm handbrake isn't reading this dvd
[08:31] <foobarry> which is clean
[08:31] <mapps> you live in like chelsea?
[08:31] <mapps> us poor folks
[08:31] <mapps> not good enough
[08:31] <mapps> :)
[08:31] <foobarry> no, just north london blood
[08:32] <mapps> oh
[08:32] <mapps> so still too good for us lot
[08:32] <mapps> :D
[08:33] <daftykins> foobarry: must be fun protection once again
[08:33] <foobarry> nah,m its a BBC dvd
[08:34] <foobarry> there is some strange schorching on the edge
[08:34] <foobarry> hadn't noticed
[08:37] <popey> inner edge or outer edge?
[08:38] <foobarry> outer
[08:39] <mapps> ive gotta go sleep in a minute
[08:39] <foobarry> gonna see if it plays in vlc after this disc is done
[08:39] <foobarry> handbrake want sto scan whole dvd, dunno which chapters need rippage though
[08:39] <daftykins> BBC are actually pretty good at protection too
[08:40] <daftykins> find a windows machine and crack out DVD decrypter \o/
[08:40] <foobarry> its a defect i'm sure
[08:40] <foobarry> is there even such a thing as protection?
[08:40] <foobarry> if vlc can read it then so can handbrake
[08:40] <mapps> damnit
[08:40] <mapps> i will try harder
[08:41] <mapps> drinking about 25-30pints a week still
[08:41] <mapps> and smoking a pack a day
[08:41] <mapps> ARGH
[08:41] <daftykins> damn it mapps i said no touching the Dinghy - http://i.imgur.com/8fPvOas.gif
[08:41] <mapps> :(
[08:42] <foobarry> when do you drink?
[08:42] <mapps> everyday?
[08:42] <foobarry> what time of day?
[08:42] <daftykins> foobarry: i didn't make it up about there being copy protection...
[08:42] <mapps> 2/3am+
[08:42] <foobarry> even one less pint a day is doable
[08:43] <mapps> course it is
[08:43] <foobarry> when i was a student i drank 21 pints a week
[08:43] <mapps> but  i figure im gonna bloody drop dead some day aint i
[08:43] <foobarry> small lifestyle changes can make big difference
[08:43] <mapps> cant keep smoking and drinking and be ok :)
[08:44] <foobarry> so getting under 20pts is achievable aim
[08:44] <mapps> yea
[08:44] <mapps> unlikely
[08:44] <mapps> but course i 'could'
[08:44] <foobarry> i dunno, its not unrealistic
[08:45] <mapps> i could also quit smoking;p
[08:45] <foobarry> the last pint is never as enjoyable as the first anyway
[08:45] <foobarry> e-cigs?
[08:45] <mapps> nah
[08:45] <mapps> i smoke marlboro lights
[08:45] <mapps> used to smoke rollies
[08:45] <mapps> got fedup rolling
[08:48] <daftykins> tried the electronic jobs?
[08:48] <daftykins> could at least make things a bit healthier
[08:48] <mapps> nah
[08:48] <mapps> who cares at this point
[08:48] <mapps> ive smoked for so long
[08:48] <mapps> :)
[08:49] <foobarry> thats not true
[08:49] <foobarry> the benefits of stopping are realised v quickly,
[08:49] <foobarry> and within a couple of years you regain a huge benefit
[08:49] <mapps> yea but i aint gonna stop am i:P
[08:49] <foobarry> all is not lost
[08:49] <mapps> so gotta try and justify it
[08:50] <daftykins> no, but you cut out all the other crap you're putting into your lungs
[08:51] <mapps> ive been smoking for bloody years mate
[08:51] <daftykins> haha well nothing is gonna change with this viewpoint ;)
[08:52] <mapps> :D
[08:52] <mapps> idd never recomend anyone smokes;p
[08:53] <foobarry> even stopping at age 60 adds 3 yrs to your life :-|
[08:53] <mapps> makes me laugh when i see these young kids
[08:53] <diplo> How old are you mapps ?
[08:53] <daftykins> to 63 ;)
[08:53] <mapps> desperate for a cigarette
[08:53] <mapps> 31 diplo
[08:53] <foobarry> "Men who quit smoking by 30 add 10 years to their life"
[08:53] <mapps> ah well thats me done
[08:53] <mapps> im over 30;p
[08:53] <diplo> My grandad smoked from 16 till he was 86, didn't have cancer, died from giving up fags :)
[08:53] <daftykins> i knew he was gnna say that XD
[08:54] <diplo> They say if you quit now you are more likely to get the worst of it out of your system
[08:54] <mapps> my mum died from smoking..
[08:54] <mapps> but
[08:54] <mapps> she smoked about 30/day
[08:55] <foobarry> i installed ubuntu on a strangers laptop yesterday \o/
[08:55] <Myrtti> whee!
[08:55] <foobarry> they were trying to install and had a problem
[08:56] <foobarry> unfortuantely the installer isn't very intuitive when windows has used 4 partitions on the disk already
[08:57] <foobarry> after we got over that it was plain sailing
[08:58] <mapps> thats why i love living on my own;p can smoke at my desk
[09:00] <Myrtti> this smoking discussion makes my skin crawl
[09:01] <foobarry> when i was six i put a cig butt to my mouth that my friend had found at the kerb :S , but that's the closest i ever got
[09:02] <foobarry> other ppls smoke gives me terible discomfort in summer due to hayefever
[09:02] <foobarry> even the odd molecule from 50 yds away
[09:20] <daftykins> just got the new DVD drive from ebay for this laptop i'm messing with
[09:21] <daftykins> no go, no boot from CD or DVD, no reading discs... looks like no device detected either
[09:32] <funkyHat> The best time to start smoking is about 6 months before you buy your pension annuity
[09:48] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:36] <Myrtti> todays newly learnt English word: BOWSER. The term bowser is used by water companies in the United Kingdom to refer to mobile water tanks deployed to distribute fresh water in emergency situations where the normal system of piped distribution has broken down or is insufficient.
[10:36] <foobarry> a good word
[10:37] <foobarry> do you want some other nice words
[10:38] <foobarry> Acersecomic
[10:38] <foobarry> which could be Myrtti
[10:39] <foobarry> judging by her v long hair when i saw her once
[10:39] <Myrtti> foobarry: I'm not too enthusiastic of having to learn that word, to be honest
[10:40] <Myrtti> (Bowser, that is)
[10:40] <foobarry> bowser is a great sounding word
[10:40] <foobarry> also, mario
[10:41] <Myrtti> https://twitter.com/myrtti/status/494417157531250689
[10:41] <Myrtti> I might have been a bit peeved
[10:43] <foobarry> oh, you had nothing to drink except from the bowser?
[10:43] <Myrtti> well fortunately the kettle did have a bit of water, as did the Brita jug
[10:44] <foobarry> you have been performing jettetura towards the water company
[10:44] <Myrtti> but I couldn't really wash my coffee pot or have a shower.
[10:44] <foobarry> jettatura*
[10:45] <Myrtti> Why bother having ALERT pages if you don't actually have useful information on them
[10:46] <foobarry> tell my IT dept that
[10:46] <Myrtti> the bit I'm most peeved at is that it HAD information
[10:46] <Myrtti> then it vanished
[10:46] <Myrtti> well, not all of it, but the bit I was interested
[11:58] <foobarry> checkout staff who dump your ready meal in the bag upside down :@@@
[13:26] <popey> oh balls. laptop I ordered is being delivered by hermes
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> are they bad/
[13:27] <diddledan> is he unreliable?
[13:27] <diddledan> I figure that means the planet-express crew?
[13:27] <davmor2> diddledan: he visits hades to often for popey's liking
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100111195411/en.futurama/images/b/b4/250px-Hermes_conrad.png
[13:28] <directhex_> hermes is a subcontracted carrier, i.e. the delivery is done by normal people as a part-time job
[13:28] <directhex_> so the service you receive is super variable
[13:29] <popey> yeah
[13:29] <popey> we ordered something "next day" from Next, came 4 days later via hermes, bloke couldn't give a toss
[13:30] <foobarry> a part on wifey's spinning wheel got broken via courier yesterday by rought treatment. she was mildly gutted to say the least
[13:30] <Myrtti> gah Guardian videos take forever to load
[13:31] <Myrtti> foobarry: :-(
[13:31] <foobarry> just been watching http://sysadmincasts.com/episodes/31-introduction-to-docker a good whistelstop tour for busy people
[13:32] <foobarry> Myrtti: it was the brake peg. had been snapped and was hanging loose
[13:32] <Myrtti> aw :-|
[13:33] <Myrtti> where'd she get it from?
[13:33] <foobarry> i had to screw a screw into the remainder of the peg
[13:33] <foobarry> and pukll the broken bit out. was scary
[13:33] <popey> screws!
[13:33] <foobarry> a nice lady from spinwise.co.uk
[13:33] <popey> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/30/buzzgasm_screws/
[13:33] <foobarry> she will send a new peg, probably at her own cost, i don't know if she will get anything out of the courier company
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/2c4sut/ive_had_the_joy_of_working_for_hermes/
[13:48] <popey> nice
[13:55] <Myrtti> DPD etc. have timed slots. If they turn up to your door 5 minutes before their predicted arrival, they'll have to wait until they can sign the package off
[13:56] <Myrtti> I once asked them if they'd want a drink while waiting
[14:00] <diddledan> Myrtti: vodka?
[14:00] <Myrtti> tea
[14:00] <diddledan> aah
[14:01] <Myrtti> it was one of the early summer heatwave days
[14:01] <Myrtti> well, warm enough anyway
[14:10] <foobarry> anyone used/ing vagrant?
[14:12] <foobarry> people seem to use it with virtualbox which gives me a sour taste
[14:34] <foobarry> talktalk mobile are provided by vodafone..hmm.
[14:35] <foobarry> currently offering monthly deal for £3.75 for 600MB data + voice+ textx
[15:07] <awilkins> vodafone are tax dodging swine
[15:07] <awilkins> And also screwed me out of about £200 of data charges when I spent 10 minutes explaining to the sales rep that I needed a plan with very few minutes but inclusive data
[15:08] <awilkins> So I will never ever give them money again or encourage people to do so
[15:08] <foobarry> which mobile commpanies pay tax?
[15:08] <awilkins> Dunno
[15:08] <foobarry> o2 i suppose
[15:08] <foobarry> the others are foreign owned
[15:08] <awilkins> But we know that voda hasn't paid £6B of tax and, well, should be counted as British because it used to be a part of BT
[15:08] <foobarry> agree
[15:09] <awilkins> There should be a dotheypaytheirtaxes.com
[15:10] <awilkins> I thought a good plugin for the barcode reader on your phone would be something that ran a barcode search and then did a graph query in some kind of knowledge base of the companies that produced the product and gave it an evil / not evil score
[15:10] <awilkins> You could configure your evilness rating function based on your personal beliefs
[15:14] <foobarry> do you google?
[15:29] <dwatkins> I'm being switched to Vodafone for my company phone, sadly.
[16:08] <Azelphur> Does anyone here have working IPv6?
[16:08] <Azelphur> I am somewhat confused as to if I'm behind a NAT with IPv6, so wondering if someone who has working IPv6 can check that for me
[16:11] <popey> Azelphur: brobostigon does I believe
[16:12]  * Azelphur prods brobostigon
[16:14] <diddledan> Azelphur: I've got ip6 running
[16:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: pm'd ya :)
[16:15] <diddledan> at least I should do
[16:15] <diddledan> it doesn't appear to be responding atm
[16:15] <Azelphur> diddledan: good, I guess that means my NAT is working
[16:15] <diddledan> no I mean my end is broke
[16:15] <diddledan> lemme have a fiddle
[16:15] <Azelphur> ah :)
[16:16] <diddledan> I changed something the other day so I guess that broke it
[16:20] <shauno_> I've warned you about fiddling, diddledan
[16:29] <diddledan> ok, Azelphur , I fixed ip6 my end and your ip still doesn't respond so I guess you got your firewall correct
[16:29] <Azelphur> good :)
[16:29] <diddledan> Azelphur: it seems to be immediately closed
[16:30] <diddledan> Azelphur: yeah the connection attempt is refused
[16:32] <diddledan> some folk prefer black-holing rather than refusing connections because if an attacker doesn't know it's there then they don't try to attack it
[16:32] <diddledan> in iptables that's -j DROP vs -j REJECT
[16:32] <diddledan> DROP doesn't reply, REJECT sends a connection refused message
[16:33] <Azelphur> I see
[16:34] <Azelphur> diddledan: interestingly it seems like my router DROPS IPv6
[16:34] <Azelphur> IPv4*
[16:34] <Azelphur> I wonder why it would drop ipv4 and not ipv6
[16:45] <shauno_> nat on ipv6?  or just a default inbound policy
[17:45] <Azelphur> shauno_: I dunno tbh, I know IPv6 does stuff differently  in that regard
[18:49] <DJones> ok, cure for terminal earache, let your other half get a new car
[18:52] <daftykins> *shudder*
[18:52] <daftykins> was the old really that bad? ;)
[18:52] <DJones> Not to me, she complained it stuggled on the motorway, I thought it was fine
[18:53] <DJones> But it was 10 years old
[18:53] <DJones> Now she's got one with all the gadgets necessary, sat nav, cruise control, electric windows, air con etc
[18:54] <DJones> Must admit I couldn't drive the old car without cruise control, really caused pain on the motorway etc
[18:56] <daftykins> amazing how the features from the US are slowly crawling over
[18:57] <daftykins> or maybe it's just that i'm used to such simple cars (i don't own one or have a license still) but over here we have no MOT so cars can be driven 'til they fall apart
[18:58] <DJones> I have problems driving any distance with pain after surgery a few years back, so cruise control is a necessity for me
[18:59] <daftykins> ouch!
[18:59] <DJones> At times I regret the surgery, but couldn't continue with a hernia anyway
[19:00] <DJones> Ah well, these things happen
[19:00] <daftykins> pretty sure i saw a guy steal a rear wheel off a bike earlier
[19:01] <DJones> That can't be a quick job
[19:01] <daftykins> sure it can! quick release
[19:01] <DJones> Push bike rather than motorbike?
[19:01] <daftykins> yep
[19:01] <DJones> h
[19:02] <DJones> Ah
[19:02] <DJones> My wife made me laugh when her insurance on a 10 year old 1.1L car increased by 50% for a 1.5L 3 year old car, she though it'd come down because the car was newer and more reliable
[19:03] <DJones> I WISH
[19:07] <daftykins> how much are we talking though?
[19:56] <DJones> daftykins: £240 to around £375 ish
[19:57] <daftykins> ah sound about what i'd expect, as an outsider to driving
[19:58] <diddledan> lol @ argument over whether "alphabetise desktop icons" is suitable
[19:59] <diddledan> yey for translation flamewar
[20:00] <shauno_> that's not even a word - how would it be suitable?
[20:00] <diddledan> popey linked the OED which says it is a real word
[20:01] <shauno_> meh, dictionaries are junk these days too.  they've turned into a game of "guess which crazy words we added this year!"
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah pesky social sellouts that they are :(
[20:07] <shauno_> I was always told -ize is greek words (and latin?) and -ise is french words
[20:09] <diddledan> shauno_: I think that's elfs vs elves
[20:17] <foobarry> ugh. just realised i got a red letter from the water company in may
[20:17] <foobarry> bang goes my credit rating
[20:17] <foobarry> i've only just opened the letter. maybe it only just arrived at it was just sitting onthe stairs
[21:40] <daftykins> foobarry: direct debit time!
[22:00] <diddledan> daftykins: I prefer direct credit
[22:00] <diddledan> pay me monies!


[06:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <davidcalle> o/
[08:38] <popey> yo
[12:28] <dholbach> salut davidcalle, yesterday with the webops you said that we'd need another staging deployment - do you know what still needs to be done there?
[12:30] <davidcalle> dholbach, salut, staging is broken again (when devportal inits its db), I'd like mhall119 to try today if he has time
[12:32] <davidcalle> mhall119, more specifically, at the initdb step : "django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: no schema has been selected to create in"
[12:33] <davidcalle> mhall119, with the prod branch
[12:34] <dholbach> hum
[12:34] <dholbach> could that be an issue with how the db is created in the beginning?
[12:34] <dholbach> according to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27647235/migrate-django-app-from-heroku-to-linux-server this could fix it: "CREATE SCHEMA public;"
[12:35] <mhall119> davidcalle: that sounds like problem with the postgresql charm
[12:35] <mhall119> it should create the schema automatically and send it to the wsgi-app charm
[12:35] <dholbach> or if we use a different schema, then use something like: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31346655/django-and-postgresql-testing-schema?
[12:36] <dholbach> I never used a postgres schema, so I'm probably not a lot of help O:-)
[12:37] <davidcalle> dholbach, seen this, but I'm not sure it applies in our juju-with-env-variables-all-over-the-place context, also I don't think I can run commands in the dbshell when talkint to it via juju
[12:37] <davidcalle> talking*
[12:37] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok..... I wasn't sure if (in whatever way we set up the db) a "CREATE SCHEMA <..........>" could be injected. :)
[13:46] <davidcalle> mhall119, thibaut would like to test an analytics framework for tracking snappy links and clicks, do you think we can cowboy it on the prod site and add some js to the header?
[13:51] <davidcalle> dholbach, mhall119, on a related note, caio is looking into the current staging issue
[13:51] <mhall119> davidcalle: I'm not sure what you're asking
[13:55] <dholbach> great!
[13:55] <davidcalle> mhall119, to ask a webop to make a change to the website_base template, in prod.
[13:56] <mhall119> we shouldn't do that, and I doubt they would agree to it anyway
[13:56] <mhall119> davidcalle: what new framework does he want to use and why?
[13:57] <davidcalle> mhall119, I agree it's a terrible idea, wanted your confirmation. It's https://heapanalytics.com/ , the main goal is to track click on download links on the snappy get started page (and general navigation patterns in the snappy area)
[13:58] <mhall119> davidcalle: and he can't get that from google analytics?
[13:59] <davidcalle> mhall119, he would need to add js to links themselves, which is not possible with Django CMS.
[13:59] <davidcalle> mhall119, for a bit more context: https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1504487
[13:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1504487 in developer-ubuntu-com "The site needs a link tracking solution" [High,New]
[13:59] <mhall119> oh, for tracking off-site links, I see
[14:01] <mhall119> davidcalle: so I'm all in favor of doing this, but we should do it properly
[14:02] <mhall119> maybe even sub-class the Django CMS "Link" plugin to something like "TrackedLink" that has a custom template that adds the needed javascript when it's clicked
[14:02] <mhall119> you can test it out in staging if you want, but we shouldn't cowboy thigns in production
[14:38] <mhall119> dholbach: davidcalle: how is the markdown importer work going, have you found the cause of the problems yet?
[14:38] <dholbach> no - I still feel like I'm fishing in the dark
[14:39] <mhall119> dholbach: let's schedule a call tomorrow to go through it
[14:39] <dholbach> tomorrow won't work for me
[14:39] <mhall119> dholbach: after the team call today work for you?
[14:39]  * mhall119 forgot you're out tomorrow
[14:40] <dholbach> no, I'll have to run to drive down to Bavaria
[14:40] <dholbach> but I think I can start working on a smaller test-case, so I can maybe ask on an upstream list?
[14:40] <mhall119> dholbach: ok, let's regroup on Monday then, and in the mean time I'll try and work on it on my own
[14:40] <dholbach> or Friday
[14:40] <mhall119> dholbach: try the django-cms community (not sure what medium they use most) as they were eager to help us in the past
[14:40] <dholbach> cool
[14:41] <mhall119> I'm going to be out Friday, swapping it for Monday
[14:41] <dholbach> ok ok
[14:41] <dholbach> I'll keep you posted
[14:41] <mhall119> thanks
[14:43] <dholbach> brb
[14:54] <davidcalle> mhall119, do you think we could change RawHTML to not strip js? Would this solution work for you?
[14:54] <mhall119> it shouldn't strip anything
[14:59] <popey> TEAM MEATING!
[15:00] <Pici> mm... meat
[15:00] <Pici> (also weird, because my team meeting at work is right now too)
[15:02] <davidcalle> mhall119, it does :(
[15:02] <davidcalle> omw
[16:03]  * dholbach runs - see you all tomorrow!
[16:03] <dholbach> or Friday
[16:03] <dholbach> bye!
[16:10] <jcastro> czajkowski: heya
[16:10] <jcastro> what's the TLDR on ubuntu booths @ FOSDEM?
[16:15] <popey> have you applied?
[16:15] <popey> jcastro: we need to co-ordinate (cc dpm) as I think we also want a stand - makes sense to have pooled resources
[16:17] <popey> jcastro: didrocks tells me registration for stands isn't open yet
[16:18] <jcastro> he is correct, it is not open
[16:18] <jcastro> but my team would like in on it as well, do I mail all of you or just dpm?
[16:18]  * davidcalle drives home, have a nice eod all o/
[16:20] <popey> just dpm
[16:20] <jcastro> ack
[16:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: howdy
[16:20] <czajkowski> so booths are a lottery folks
[16:20] <czajkowski> :)
[16:20] <czajkowski> just a heads up
[16:21] <czajkowski> usually given to community Vs orgs
[16:22]  * jcastro nods