[12:36] <lapo> hi
[01:04] <pooya> hi, do you knwo of a human theme for thunderbird?
[03:00] <Who_> wow, we're up to 14 of us in here now :)
[03:00] <andreasn> hey Who_
[03:01] <Who_> hey andreasn. I liked the mail to the list on the need to get icons to blend :)
[03:01] <andreasn> yeah, well, I do my best
[03:02] <Who_> Do you know if it is possible to get QT/GTK to launch with a different icon or widget theme depending on which desktop environment they are running in
[03:02] <andreasn> not that I know of
[03:03] <Who_> Shame.
[03:03] <andreasn> what kind of scenario are you thinking about?
[03:03] <andreasn> err...of
[03:04] <Who_> well, for example, if Amarok is started under Gnome it uses a QT theme and KDE Icon theme that resemble a gnomeone (like QTCurve) but if Amarok is launched under KDE then it uses the current KDE theme
[03:04] <andreasn> ah
[03:04] <Who_> and vice versa for GTK apps in KDE
[03:05] <Who_> it would be a way to allow individuality and have things blend.
[03:05] <andreasn> I guess it's most likely that you use either ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:05] <andreasn> so that with the regular kubuntu-install, you would also get a matching gtk-theme
[03:05] <andreasn> and vice-versa
[03:06] <andreasn> I'm not into the details how that would work though
[03:06] <Who_> Perhaps, though I would be interested to see some data to back this up - I bet many KDE users use Firefox and perhaps Evolution.
[03:07] <Who_> ohh, sorry - I see what you were sayiing - we don't need to provide a way of seeing which one they are using - just go by what they have installed?
[03:07] <andreasn> well, I guess that if you switch between the enviorments it would be good to make it switch
[03:07] <andreasn> but most people will only use either of them
[03:08] <andreasn> so I think that would be a sane first step
[03:08] <Who_> yea - but I think switching is a lot less common than people 'borrowing' apps
[03:08] <andreasn> yes, that is what I mean
[03:08] <Who_> :)
[03:08] <andreasn> sorry, it's a bit late here
[03:08] <andreasn> :)
[03:08] <Who_> and here!
[03:09] <Who_> Where are you?
[03:09] <andreasn> sweden
[03:09] <Who_> An hour 'more hardcore' than me then
[03:09] <andreasn> where are you located then?
[03:09] <Who_> UK
[03:09] <andreasn> I see
[03:10] <andreasn> will you come to guadec?
[03:10] <Who_> Fraid I don't have the cash or the time off work :(
[03:10] <andreasn> too bad
[03:10] <Who_> Are you going?
[03:10] <Who_> yea - maybe next year when I'm a student so I get long holidays :)
[03:10] <andreasn> I know there were a bunch of other uk-dudes coming, so I though you might be among them
[03:11] <Who_> oh, UK-Ubuntu people?
[03:15] <Who_> just having a brief look around with google there isn't a good surefire way to detect whether kde or Gnome is running - especially if people are mixing and matching
[03:16] <Who_> Correction: I can't immediately see any good, surefire way
[03:16] <andreasn> uk-gnome people rather
[03:17] <andreasn> well, that is what we have the programmers for
[03:20] <andreasn> :)
[03:21] <Who_> I was looking on some of the development mailing list archives (as I aspire to join the rank of 'the programmers' one day when I don't code all day anyway!)
[03:25] <Who_> but right now I have to go to bed :)
[03:26] <Who_> bye
[03:55] <meheren> wow it's quiet here...
[03:55] <Madpilot> hmm
[03:57] <meheren> hmm... what?
[03:58] <Madpilot> hmm, it's quiet, and hmm, I need a drink ;)
[04:07] <meheren> lol im 2 young to drink...
[04:07] <meheren> (15)
[09:43] <kwwii> moin
[10:32] <lapo> hi
[02:31] <msikma> Now that's bizarre. I didn't know that the MSN Spaces logo was so similar to the Ubuntu circle of friends. http://spaces.msn.com/
[02:32] <msikma> Maybe they stole it.
[02:32] <msikma> Even has the exact same rotation. :)
[02:51] <fschoep> bersace: you there yet?
[03:11] <msikma> Quiet mail day.
[03:25] <fschoep> bersace
[03:25] <fschoep> how is everyone?  troy here on franks keyboard
[03:26] <fschoep> hrm... i wonder where i went.  link dead.
[03:29] <fschoep> heyas newz
[03:29] <fschoep> troy here on franks keyboard
[03:29] <newz2000> howdy
[03:29] <newz2000> How's the meeting?
[03:30] <fschoep> wrapping up
[03:30] <fschoep> went pretty well
[03:30] <fschoep> plenty of good stuff decided
[03:30] <newz2000> Did it feel productive?
[03:30] <fschoep> good direction
[03:30] <newz2000> Cool
[03:30] <fschoep> hell yah
[03:30] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:30] <fschoep> i am pretty sure the creative folks will really appreciate distinct direction
[03:30] <newz2000> Yeah
[03:30] <fschoep> (its troy here, not frank)
[03:30] <fschoep> the whole spec process is clearer now too... having seen how it works from the inside
[03:30] <newz2000> Yeah, i talked to Jane a few weeks ago and told her that I was just itching to have good organization on the team.
[03:31] <fschoep> we as a creative lot need to embrace it
[03:31] <newz2000> I really love order
[03:31] <fschoep> well you got it.  it is very good.
[03:31] <fschoep> if you peruse the wiki, you can see most of the work frank has been pounding away on the keyboard
[03:31] <newz2000> I'm really glad you're putting so much effort into getting things together. I think you've done an excellent job
[03:31] <fschoep> thanks.  ubuntu deserves it.
[03:31] <newz2000> Better even than I was hoping for
[03:32] <fschoep> now if everyone will support the whole effort, we will _really_ set an example for the open source community
[03:32] <fschoep> again though, this is a trial period... everyone really needs to deliver
[03:32] <newz2000> I think once people see the power of a well-oiled machine they will definately be onboard.
[03:32] <fschoep> franks back, troy out.  this is now frankie.
[03:33] <newz2000> BRB
[03:42] <bersace> fschoep: ping
[03:42] <bersace> fschoep: i'm busy
[03:42] <fschoep> oh, can you talk for a minute?
[03:56] <bersace> fschoep: yep
[03:57] <fschoep> he's gone for a second in a meeting bersace
[03:57] <fschoep> it's troy here covering his keys
[03:57] <bersace> so fschoep is troy ?
[03:57] <fschoep> he will be back, i think he wishes to speak with you regarding your wiki strcuture
[03:57] <fschoep> for now yes.
[03:57] <fschoep> me troy
[03:57] <bersace> hihi :)
[03:57] <bersace> you should buy a laptop :P
[03:57] <fschoep> howdy good to see you
[03:57] <fschoep> yah laf.
[03:57] <bersace> so what you want ?
[03:57] <fschoep> well if i didn't sink a gabillion dollars into my desktop... laf
[03:57] <fschoep> uh i think he just wanted to keep you updated
[03:58] <fschoep> with some of the wiki stuff
[03:58] <fschoep> and needs
[03:58] <fschoep> so that you are in the loop
[03:58] <fschoep> i think he also wants to ask you a question about the whole submission area etc.
[03:58] <fschoep> but i know not for certain
[03:59] <fschoep> i know there have been quite a few critical documents added to the wiki, so it is important the people don't mess up the structure too much
[03:59] <bersace> i saw an anti-contribution in the wiki, someone revert back a changes i made : Redirect ArtworkTeam to Artwork :(
[03:59] <fschoep> well you were on it and fixed it...
[03:59] <fschoep> just let the mailing list know that you
[03:59] <bersace> luckly
[03:59] <fschoep> have it under control
[03:59] <fschoep> what are your plans for artworkteam now?
[04:00] <fschoep> you plan on moving the pages to direct redirect?
[04:00] <fschoep> or ???
[04:00] <fschoep> and we need to cull those legacy pages as they messify the nice clean structure.
[04:01] <fschoep> also, the original page has palettes that someone wanted for inkscape, as inkscape accepts gimp palettes and frank has one there already.
[04:02] <fschoep> you still there?
[04:06] <fschoep> bersace: also, tasks is now redundant as we have launchpad specs
[04:06] <fschoep> and the agenda too is obsolete.
[04:07] <fschoep> there are a few links that need obsoleting.
[04:07] <bersace> re
[04:07] <fschoep> and a few pages that need updating as they are old
[04:07] <fschoep> and have some inaccurate data (mostly legacy pages)
[04:07] <bersace> ok
[04:07] <fschoep> what is your plan regarding those legacy pages?
[04:07] <bersace> keep saying anything, i'll still be able to read id after :)
[04:07] <fschoep> laf
[04:08] <fschoep> where the hell is frank
[04:08] <bersace> for now, i'm busy for flegita and scouting
[04:08] <fschoep> he went out for a meeting.
[04:08] <fschoep> yah
[04:08] <bersace> but i will continue the work
[04:08] <fschoep> this is a future thing
[04:08] <fschoep> hopefully nearer... i can lend a hand when i return home
[04:08] <bersace> and klepas will continues as he finish his exams
[04:08] <fschoep> indeed
[04:08] <fschoep> all should be very well and very up to speed
[04:08] <fschoep> which is about time
[04:09] <fschoep> oh i forgot to mention, we did some pretty nifty experimenting with xcursorgen
[04:09] <fschoep> found out some very interesting things
[04:09] <bersace> I would like to move Feedback, evaluation, Licensing in Incoming or anything else
[04:09] <bersace> nice
[04:09] <fschoep> yah i would try to sort out the legacy pages, and place a large note that
[04:09] <fschoep> they are out of date
[04:09] <fschoep> until they are updated
[04:10] <fschoep> and some of the pages need proffing
[04:10] <fschoep> proofing even
[04:10] <fschoep> bad grammar (wanna etc) need spelling check
[04:10] <fschoep> but that is minor
[04:11] <fschoep> perhaps a few folks can read the wiki and forward the edits to you
[04:11] <fschoep> anyways, i'm out
[04:11] <fschoep> this will be frank again
[04:32] <newz2000> Do you guys know of a thin sans-serif chisseled font like impact that looks good at very small point sizes?
[04:34] <fschoep> Are you using it for print or screen?
[04:34] <newz2000> screen :-(
[04:34] <fschoep> So basically you need a pixel font that matches?
[04:35] <newz2000> I don't need a match, I just need something that's very vertical
[04:35] <newz2000> I'm recreating a graphic
[04:35] <newz2000> And I have a very narrow width
[04:35] <newz2000> impact is the closest I found yet
[04:35] <fschoep> OK, do you want to pay for the font?
[04:35] <newz2000> No, I don't think they want to pay for it.
[04:36] <fschoep> OK, that kind o flimits the options. Did you try WhatTheFont yet on it?
[04:36] <newz2000> no, haven't heard of it
[04:36] <fschoep> It lets you identify the font used in a graphics file.
[04:36] <newz2000> really? Gotta try that
[04:36] <fschoep> http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
[04:37] <fschoep> You upload an image, specify an image region and it will try to match the font with it.
[04:37] <fschoep> Then you can get pretty close matches, then try to get free variants of the font family used.
[04:37] <newz2000> Cool. I'm doing it now. Thanks for the advice, that's defintely worth a bookmark
[04:38] <fschoep> No problem, I hope it helps you out.
[05:27] <weidel> oi! silent in here, eh
[05:32] <fschoep> not exactly
[05:32] <fschoep> some are around, but busy
[05:32] <fschoep> greetings weidel... i don't recognize you
[05:32] <fschoep> my usual nick is troy, but i am typing from frank schoep's keyboard at the moment
[05:33] <weidel> Hi there, no I don't suppose you would seeing as I joined the team yesterday :)
[05:34] <fschoep> great
[05:34] <weidel> Aye, presentation and such are in the mailing lis
[05:34] <fschoep> what is your background?
[05:34] <weidel> ~list
[05:34] <fschoep> lovely
[05:34] <fschoep> i would have probably known, but i haven't been able to check my email
[05:34] <fschoep> as i am away from home
[05:34] <weidel> Ye don't have webmail?
[05:35] <weidel> how very 90's of you. ;)
[05:35] <fschoep> well yes, but my home computer drains it every five minutes :)
[05:35] <weidel> ah hehe
[05:36] <newz2000> I thought it was funny that you were still logged in for the first part of the conf
[05:36] <fschoep> well, i was but apparently i left the channel
[05:36] <fschoep> which is funny
[05:36] <weidel> The short and sweet version; runs a design/media-company on spare time, worked in advertising agencies as graphics/layout, been IT-consultant and now I've left it all for studying :)
[05:36] <newz2000> Yeah
[05:36] <fschoep> because i thought i was on reconnect
[05:36] <fschoep> but apparently, i wasn't.
[05:37] <fschoep> has there been much mail to the mailing list?
[05:37] <newz2000> no, weidel announced his presense
[05:37] <fschoep> i imagine i will be spending a good bit of time playing catchup
[05:37] <fschoep> that's great
[05:37] <weidel> Well, I joined last night, and I have like 15 mails or such
[05:38] <newz2000> Yeah, but most are specs
[05:38] <weidel> mostly what seems like automated spec-updates or such
[05:38] <weidel> right
[05:38] <fschoep> spec updates are expected
[05:38] <fschoep> we did a little housecleaning
[05:38] <fschoep> changed some statuses, etc
[05:39] <weidel> I'm still a virgin in the opensource-business, so I'll be asking lots of stupid questions. Just a warning.
[05:39] <newz2000> Nothing too pressing i tlooks (mailing list traffic)
[05:39] <fschoep> weidel:  don't worry, we need more professional people as well
[05:39] <newz2000> Niel Drummond made a good post in response to weidel's post. It's a good overview of how to help out with the team and definately suitable for wiki FAQ material
[05:40] <fschoep> weidel:  the whole goal was to implement a structure that professionals/ nonprofessionals can contribute immediately and effectively (which is darn tricky)
[05:40] <weidel> Aye, it was a good mail. Spent an hour just reading up on the links
[05:40] <fschoep> there is a lot of positive motion
[05:40] <fschoep> hopefully it will snowball as ubuntu has itself.
[05:40] <newz2000> I can't wait to see what happens when you all get back
[05:40] <weidel> As a complete newbie, I believe I might have some valuable insights in that process.
[05:41] <fschoep> ultimately, we need input.
[05:41] <fschoep> weidel:  if you read taht wiki, you can see a breakdown
[05:41] <weidel> ie. how it all seems to me
[05:41] <fschoep> weidel:  again, heavy flux... but it will be far clearer in a few days.
[05:41] <fschoep> ok... off... this is frank again now.
[05:42] <weidel> You seem to have all the necessary communication systems in order, anyway
[05:42] <newz2000> We're getting there
[05:42] <weidel> But it still seems a bit..fragmented
[05:42] <newz2000> you should have seen it two weeks ago. There's has been phenominal improvement
[05:43] <weidel> Good thing I didn't join earlier then eh ;)
[05:43] <newz2000> Before we were just a bunch of people who liked art, and we didn't really make a huge commitment towards dapper. The goal is to get organized and work as a team on the critical design components so that we can be signficant for edgy.
[05:44] <weidel> Where did the original art in breezy/dapper etc come from?
[05:44] <newz2000> contract work
[05:44] <weidel> really?
[05:44] <newz2000> There will likely continue to be some of that too. At least in edgy.
[05:44] <newz2000> The art team is pretty new
[05:45] <newz2000> And one immediate goal is to organize our selves, which is why a few people are in Paris at the conf right now.
[05:45] <weidel> contract work as in paid professionals, or contract work as in telling some talented guys to do it?
[05:45] <newz2000> I don't know the full details
[05:45] <weidel> Organization is key, to everything and anything
[05:45] <newz2000> Yes
[05:45] <newz2000> Plus, we're going to narrow our focus a little I think.
[05:45] <weidel> And, over-organization is death to everything and anything. It's a fine line.
[05:45] <newz2000> That will be a challenge I suspect
[05:45] <newz2000> Getting the balance correct
[05:46] <weidel> Aye, I've been reviewing the wiki and the timeline presented up to edgy release, and it's a tight schedule
[05:46] <newz2000> Yes. We're all kind of holding our breath for the paris show to end so we can see what has come out of it.
[05:46] <weidel> as you say, focus is essential. 10 people working on 10 projects won't work.
[05:47] <weidel> what is this paris business about?
[05:47] <newz2000> Yeah, well if we were 10 working on 10 it would have been better. I think it was more like 40 working on 90.
[05:47] <weidel> lol..
[05:47] <newz2000> Well, since Canonical/ubuntu employees work all over the world they meet up along with major community contributors after each release to plan what's next.
[05:47] <newz2000> Dapper came out last month so now they're meeting in Paris to hammer out what's going on next.
[05:48] <weidel> ah, its a strategy meeting then
[05:48] <newz2000> yeah
[05:48] <newz2000> Not really a conference I guess.
[05:48] <weidel> when is it over?
[05:48] <newz2000> Today
[05:48] <weidel> aha nice
[05:48] <newz2000> I've not been to one, but plan to go to the next. I don't know what they do for real there.
[05:48] <weidel> is it open-invitation?
[05:48] <newz2000> I can see that there is a lot of energy and in the last four days have seen big changes.
[05:49] <newz2000> Yes, but it's a "get work done' type of meeting.
[05:49] <weidel> right
[05:49] <weidel> btw, who are you then? :)
[05:49] <newz2000> My name is Matt Nuzum
[05:49] <newz2000> I'm in Iowa, USA.
[05:50] <newz2000> I'm a professional web designer, usability specialist.
[05:50] <newz2000> Not really an artist though
[05:50] <newz2000> But I'm good at faking it.
[05:50] <weidel> Perhaps a bit like me, designing the overall concepts and feel/interaction?
[05:50] <newz2000> Yes.
[05:51] <newz2000> I usually work with an artist who creates teh concept and then I make it realistic and functional.
[05:51] <weidel> I'm not really into the actual artistic bits, even though I suppose I can hold my own, but rather likes to focus on the grand picture and usability funtions.
[05:51] <newz2000> Where are you located?
[05:52] <weidel> Sweden, land of pirates. A'hoy matey
[05:52] <newz2000> :-D
[05:52] <weidel> I think PirateBay is what sweden will be associated with, together with blonde women, from now on.
[05:53] <newz2000> Maybe. It's been interesting reading about that lately.
[05:53] <newz2000> Its hard to fathom, because I can't imagine that type of mentality gaining significant mind-share here
[05:53] <weidel> Yeah, that bust was the best thing that could happen to piratebay/pirates in general, counterproductively enough
[05:54] <weidel> the media coverage is ridiculous
[05:54] <weidel> but then again, so is the politics
[05:54] <weidel> what mentality do you mean?
[05:55] <newz2000> Here it is assumed that intelectual propery is supposed to be very well protected. FOr example, if you're just standing on a corner and someone takes a picture of you they need your permission to publish it.
[05:56] <newz2000> If you make a piece of art and publish it, its yours and if people copy it or use it without your permission then you have very clear legal recourse.
[05:56] <weidel> Well, it's not that much different here. Difference is, you guys have an insane legal system allowing you to sue everyone :)
[05:57] <newz2000> yeah, it is a bit insane
[05:57] <newz2000> I don't get to see it from an international perspective too much, but I suspect that if your only view of it was through the media it might not reflect reality too well.
[05:58] <newz2000> They tend to exagerate some details
[05:58] <weidel> And, here we do have some leftover mentalities from being run by leftwings for quite a while, so people are pretty used to the mindset of commonwealth and shared owning
[05:59] <weidel> Media is never a good information source, ofcourse. I've never been to the US, but I have been to Canada. And I do believe it is a bit out of proportion perhaps, but it is still a standing joke here in europe that someone could sue McDonalds over hot coffee.
[06:00] <newz2000> yeah, that's a joke here too.
[06:00] <newz2000> I laugh just thinking about it
[06:00] <newz2000> we say, "common sense isn't so common anymore."
[06:01] <weidel> hehe
[06:02] <weidel> That's the difference. In US the legal systems say to someone like that "Ok, we will investigate and see if the temperature was overly warm and thus prevent future harm to consumers and pay you for your damanges" - in europe it would be "You're a moron.  Both sides has their ups and downs :)
[06:04] <newz2000> The outcome from that case is so uncommon that I have to guess there are some detaisl I don't know.
[06:05] <weidel> Thing is, it can't be hotter than boiling point. And I don't see how it would be that hot even.. It's java, not lava. Anyway, it is strange.
[06:06] <newz2000> :-D Good one.
[06:06] <weidel> :)
[06:06] <weidel> btw, what softwares do you usually use?
[06:07] <newz2000> For what? For bmp I used Photoshop 6 (too cheap to upgrade) and for vector I use illustrator.
[06:07] <newz2000> For code/html/css I use eclipse.
[06:07] <weidel> windowsing still eh
[06:07] <newz2000> Sometimes.
[06:07] <weidel> eclipse?
[06:07] <newz2000> I use crossover office to run photoshop in Ubuntu
[06:07] <weidel> I'm looking for a dreamweaver replacement, any tips?
[06:08] <newz2000> no. I've tried and tried but not found anything.
[06:08] <newz2000> What version do you use?
[06:08] <weidel> Well as far as I can tell, Photoshop CS2 doesn't work under linux no matter how much you try :(
[06:08] <newz2000> Yeah, I think you're right
[06:08] <newz2000> 6 and 7 do though
[06:08] <weidel> aye, but I'm quite fond of the improvements in later versions :)
[06:08] <newz2000> Yeah, its hard to go back
[06:09] <weidel> they are a bit bloated though
[06:09] <newz2000> I have CS2 on my work laptop and it takes nearly twice as long to load then 6.
[06:09] <weidel> Aye, but it is pretty much twice as powerful
[06:10] <newz2000> I don't konw... the only thing I've found I like a lot is the font preview in the drop down list.
[06:10] <weidel> and the algorithms in the image processing are really, really better
[06:10] <newz2000> There are little things but for waht I use I haven't seen too big of an improvement
[06:10] <newz2000> like what?
[06:10] <weidel> 6 doesn't even have vector support? Or was it 6 that incorporated it? Been too long..
[06:10] <newz2000> 6 has it
[06:10] <newz2000> 5.5 brought that I think
[06:11] <weidel> Ah, that might be the case.
[06:11] <weidel> re: algorithms, the image quality in most every image processing procedure is way better in the new versions, as well as in the saved files that utilize compression
[06:12] <newz2000> I know some who still use 4. I think, "come on... you don't even have a history pallete or editable text."
[06:12] <weidel> 4? geesh
[06:12] <newz2000> I mostly use photoshop for color correction and I use some of the layer effects.
[06:12] <weidel> You should really give CS a go for the color correction bits.
[06:13] <newz2000> no thanks... I might get hooked! :-)
[06:13] <weidel> it has some quite impressive automated functions for it as well :)
[06:13] <weidel> hehe
[06:13] <weidel> I hear there is a fully working demo version on piratebay, haha
[06:13] <newz2000> Nah... I support programmers by buying the products I feel provide a good value.
[06:14] <weidel> very true, but that's hard to know unless you've tried the program.
[06:14] <newz2000> yeah, I really respect code weavers because they provide very accessible trials. Macromedia did too.
[06:15] <newz2000> gotta go... lunch time.
[06:15] <weidel> and generally, I am very opposed to the pricing on creative products, from Adobe to 3DS and what-not.
[06:15] <weidel> lunch? Oh, you're on another continent. Right. :)
[07:21] <PseudoPlacebo> Be right back.
[07:45] <newz2000> yeah, I'm on another continent... GMT -5.
[09:16] <weidel> ping? :)
[10:46] <lapo> hi


[15:34] <om26er> Hi! Where shall I report bugs for the RPi kernel in Ubuntu ? Apparently the kernel does not enable `CGroup CPUset controller` and `CGroup pids controller` this is needed for LXD container resource control
[15:42] <apw> om26er, against the linux-raspi2 package, and let us know the bug number here
[15:46] <om26er> apw, I reported the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2/+bug/1622655 sorry for missing logs, reported it from the desktop.
[15:47] <om26er> apw, on a slighly different note, what are the plans for linux 4.6 update for the Pi kernel ?
[15:51] <apw> om26er, i am assuming we will follow our master on that, we are working on 4.6 and 4.8 for that
[15:53] <om26er> apw, you mean whenever its updated in yakkety(or +1), the RPi kernel will be updated as well ?
[16:05] <apw> om26er, i mean it should be being looked at, and happen sometime after master updates
[16:13] <rtg> om26er, we already have a rpi2 v4.8 based kernel in ppa:canonical-kernel-team/ppa


[15:05] <qwebirc74729> Hi, I need help to choose a hd tuner
[15:09] <rhpot1991> qwebirc74729: what are you looking to record and what is your source?
[16:50] <qwebirc62201> I would like to buy a hd tuner ''Hauppauge 1213 WinTV-HVR2250 PCIe Dual TV Tuner''
[16:50] <qwebirc62201> Will it work with mythbuntu?
[17:08] <rhpot1991> grumble, wait for an answer
[17:47] <qwebirc3696> I would like to know if  the hd tuner I plan to buy will work with Mythbuntu
[17:48] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, ^
[18:35] <rhpot1991> grrrr
[18:35]  * rhpot1991 gets back from lunch
[18:58] <tgm4883> lol
[20:12] <tgm4883> dmfrey, ping
[20:13] <tgm4883> dmfrey, when you download the schedule from the backend in the android app, are you just getting the basic info, or are you doing a details grab too (eg. for description)
[20:18] <dmfrey> tgm4883, we are just doing the basic stuff right now
[20:18] <dmfrey> it is quicker to download
[20:18] <tgm4883> yea it is
[20:18] <tgm4883> I was just wondering if that is why it took so long to run
[20:18] <dmfrey> it is my thinking that eventually, we will be able to click on a episode in the guide, then do a quick download of the full program details
[20:19] <dmfrey> i am going to be switching it at some point to load it into a content provider and not store the files
[20:19] <tgm4883> I was just testing it in a unity scope and it goes from 20 seconds to 90 minutes on my laptop
[20:19] <tgm4883> dmfrey, so is it just the slower processor on the phones that is causing it to take so long?
[20:20] <dmfrey> i am still struggling with how to present it
[20:20] <dmfrey> i think so
[20:20] <dmfrey> it downloads really fast on my n7
[20:20] <tgm4883> hmm ok
[20:20] <tgm4883> takes forever on my nexus 4
[20:20] <tgm4883> define really fast
[20:21] <dmfrey> when I first installed the app on it, it took maybe 10 or so to do the whole 2 week guide
[20:21] <tgm4883> 10 minutes?
[20:21] <dmfrey> yes, sorry, forgot that part :)
[20:21] <tgm4883> I wouldn't call that really fast :/
[20:21]  * rhpot1991 agrees
[20:21] <dmfrey> compared to what it was
[20:22] <dmfrey> and it is only the first time through
[20:22] <rhpot1991> doesn't seem like its /that/ much data to take that long
[20:22] <tgm4883> dmfrey, I'm not a java programmer (I haven't done java since college), but mind if I take a look at that part?
[20:23] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: its on github you know?
[20:23] <tgm4883> yea, but IDK where everything is on there
[20:23] <tgm4883> I kinda looked a bit once
[20:24] <tgm4883> dmfrey, so for my unity scope, currently I download everything in the background and stick it in a sqlite db, then just search the db
[20:25] <dmfrey> yes, feel free to take a look
[20:25] <tgm4883> it sounds like you are planning that, but it's all in files right now?
[20:25] <dmfrey> let me find you the class
[20:25] <dmfrey> right
[20:25] <dmfrey> then it has to load the files, parse the json and render it
[20:25] <dmfrey> db will be much faster...i hope
[20:27] <dmfrey> https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Android-Frontend/blob/master/src/org/mythtv/service/guide/ProgramGuideDownloadService.java
[20:27] <dmfrey> this is the one that is currently in use
[20:27] <dmfrey> this is the new one that will load the data to the content provider
[20:27] <dmfrey> https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Android-Frontend/blob/master/src/org/mythtv/service/guide/ProgramGuideDownloadServiceNew.java
[20:27] <dmfrey> you should probably pull down the whole code base so you can link to any dependencies
[20:29] <dmfrey> tgm4883, how are you planning on loading the interface from sqlite
[20:29] <tgm4883> dmfrey, loading the interface? I suppose you mean getting the right layout for a tv guide?
[20:29] <dmfrey> it is not a straight forward join between the channels and programs as it has to span across time
[20:30] <dmfrey> yes, in your unity lense
[20:30] <dmfrey> i am thinking it will be possible in android to generate list of channels
[20:30] <dmfrey> somehow maintain a link of timeslot headers
[20:31] <dmfrey> and then only load from the db what is on the screen and try to no load the whole guide for the timeslot range
[20:31] <tgm4883> dmfrey, yea, I'm not doing that part. There is a developer working on layout stuff for Ubuntu TV that should resolve that
[20:31] <tgm4883> so I'll just pass along starttime/endtime/etc
[20:31] <dmfrey> gotcha
[20:32] <tgm4883> haven't figured out how we'll display search results though
[20:32] <tgm4883> probably similiar to how it's done with videos currently with just a tile
[20:34] <dmfrey> other thing is the programs aren't always going to be a standard width
[20:34] <dmfrey> i.e. half hour, hour, multi-hour programs
[20:35] <tgm4883> dmfrey, yea, my initial thoughts were  doing 5 minute increments in a table like structure
[20:35] <tgm4883> and then taking as many as necessary for width
[22:30] <qwebirc76931> Can anyone help me downgrade from 0.25 to 0.24? I've just reinstalled Mythbuntu but now it says my database is too old, and I need to run mythtv-setup for versions 22,23,24 instead.
[22:33] <qwebirc76931> I've tried setting the repos in Mythbuntu Control Centre, but can only select 25 and upwards.
[22:34] <qwebirc76931> I've also done sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.24


[00:02] <blkorpheus> lirc seems broken often
[00:04] <Dr_willis> i dont think i ever have tried my remote with mythbuntu
[00:09] <puck> Hey, just wondering if any of the mythbuntu maintainers are hanging around, I wrote mythtv-status a handle little tool and thought I'd check to see if you guys know about it.
[00:10] <Daviey> puck: pastebin or hit the mailing list?
[00:10] <Daviey> Have no idea what it is :)
[00:10] <puck> http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/mythtv-status.html
[00:11] <puck> and I just realised how bad some of the grammar on that page is...
[00:11]  * puck goes and fixes it
[00:12] <Daviey> puck: handy - thought about trying to gget it into contrib?
[00:13] <puck> It will be in Ubuntu Hardy.
[00:13] <puck> (Well, it is in the repo now, as well as Debian unstable)
[00:13] <Daviey> you've had it approved for universe?
[00:13] <Daviey> ah, a mere?
[00:13] <Daviey> merge*
[00:13] <puck> yeah
[00:13] <puck> From Debian
[00:13] <Daviey> cool
[00:14] <puck> I was wondering if it might be handy to have enabled by default on a mythbuntu install
[00:14] <Daviey> I think the best thing to do, is mention it in the guide.. rather than including it in a base install
[00:14] <puck> Okay
[00:15] <Daviey> hmm, could be!
[00:15] <Daviey> I'll have a word with the other chaps
[00:15] <puck> :)
[00:16] <puck> It doesn't worry me (I don't use mythbuntu) but thought it might be nice for your users
[00:16] <Daviey> puck: all the cool kids are using mythbuntu, why not you? :)
[00:17] <puck> I'm still a Debian hold out.  My server at home (which is my MythTV backend) had, um, Potato installed on it I think.
[00:17] <puck> and just upgraded since then...
[00:17] <Daviey> heh
[00:18] <Daviey> puck: keep us in mind when it blows up :)
[00:18] <puck> hehehehe
[00:19] <puck> If you guys have a target for running diskless front-ends using NFS boot then I'd be very interested!
[00:19] <Daviey> we are trying to get that into hardy!
[00:19] <Daviey> me and laga are working on it atm
[00:19] <puck> awesome
[00:19] <Daviey> trying to be clever tho :(
[00:20] <puck> oh oh
[00:20] <alexvd> hey
[00:20] <Daviey> Unionfs with just the diff in a $MAC_ID/ location
[00:21] <Daviey> So it _should_ be configless aswell
[00:21] <alexvd> diskless frontend is what i am trying to do...  i thought i would try with livecd and saw the mythbuntu autostart live disc
[00:21] <Daviey> ie, just work TM
[00:21] <puck> Nice, that'd be a bit easier than what I'm currently using (old unsupported shell scripts)
[00:21] <puck> that would be awesome.
[00:21] <puck> I should grab my post from mythtv-users and make a blog entry about how I set my system up
[00:21] <Daviey> alexvd: i didn't have much to do with the autostart - just the discussions on how, sorry
[00:21] <alexvd> only problem is it runs 8.2 lirc which irman is broken.  CVS fixes
[00:22] <alexvd> Daviey: cool
[00:22]  * Daviey bed, nn
[00:26] <puck> 'night
[01:43] <yotux> have a question:  I run ubuntu right now and am interested in mythbuntu will having a separate home partition work
[01:58] <Dr_willis> i use a seperate home on my Mythbuntu box.
[01:58] <tgm4883_laptop> already gone Dr_willis
[02:23] <Dr_willis> the long-lagged conversation channel. :)
[03:06] <alexvd> dumb question how do i upgrade from the glx driver that is nvidia 9631 to the 169.07 driver
[03:06] <alexvd> synaptic or the restricted manager or manual install of the package
[04:08] <rhpot1991> grrrrr, another sony ARccOS disc that wont even play in mythtv from netflix
[04:25] <alexvd> rhpot:
[04:25] <alexvd> rhpot1991: do you run nvidia graphics cards
[04:43] <rhpot1991> yep I do, what sup
[07:12] <rhpot1991> !log
[07:12] <rhpot1991> !logs
[07:13]  * JThundley drops a log
[07:14] <rhpot1991> bot is missing it seems
[07:15] <JThundley> I am the bot.
[09:09] <frink__> yo
[09:10] <frink__> wassup?
[10:36] <bidossessi> hi folks
[10:37] <bidossessi> is there any plans to include server packages in the mythbuntu cd to make it easier to deploy as an offline install solution? like dhcp/dns packages
[15:04] <stuen93> i am using a plextor usb mpeg4 capture card with mythTV but it seems that regardless of what settings I change in mythtv it always records as a .nuv file.  is there a way to make it record in another format?
[15:08] <alexvd> stuen93: you should ask in the mythtv-users but I think your options are to transcode
[15:09] <stuen93> ok, thanks
[15:09] <alexvd> stuen93: i thought the nuv was just a container and that you could rename to mpeg2 but i dont know how that works for mpeg4
[15:09] <alexvd> ask on mythtv-users
[15:09] <stuen93> i have done that
[15:09] <stuen93> thank you
[15:10] <alexvd> did you check the gossammer threads mythtv users lists
[15:10] <stuen93> i have not done that
[17:58] <MythbuntuGuest73> Hi, I need help setting up mythbuntu.  I can't get the backend set up.  When ever I try to start the myth tv setup it just restarts the system.  When I try to open the terminal window it restarts the system.  any help would be appreciated
[18:21] <mike580> hi all i have a thinkpad R-40 running ubuntu and myth tv. everything works fine but the dvd playback ive install the livcss2 thing, when i click "playdvd" it opens i can hear audio, but no video does anyone have any ideas
[18:22] <Daviey> mike580: running compiz or beryl?
[18:22] <mike580> no it is 7.10
[18:22] <mike580> but i dont they are installed
[18:22] <mike580> or enable rather
[18:22] <mike580> but i will look, im not in front of it right now
[18:22] <mike580> also if this makes a difference i cannot get it to play in vlc either
[18:23] <Daviey> and does normal video work?
[18:23] <mike580> yes
[18:23] <mike580> i can play avi files and such
[18:23] <Daviey> hmm, no idea sorry
[18:23] <Daviey> although in the last week i've heard lots of libdvdcss woes :(
[18:23] <mike580> ok no problem thanks for the help
[18:24] <mike580> yes i have seen alot of posts on the forums about libdvdcss
[18:24] <mike580> thanks for the help i appreciate it
[18:29] <jduggan> mike580: have you tried mplayer?
[18:29] <mike580> i have only vlc checked when i get home i will check xine and mplayer
[18:29] <mike580> does it hurt to check them all
[18:29] <mike580> ?
[18:43] <blkorpheus> no
[19:50] <nan1> deutsch or english
[19:52] <rhpot1992> !log
[19:52] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[19:52] <javatexan> howdy....finally got my RS232 IR reciever......which Remote do I choose in Lirc
[19:53] <nan1> I need some help concerning the installation of xmltv 0.5.50. Am I  right here?
[19:54] <javatexan> rhpot1992: i got most of it to work just fine
[19:54] <javatexan> I can convert tivo to mpeg and get it into mythtv in recordings....the commercial doesnt seem to work though
[19:56] <rhpot1992> hmmm, might not be raw mpeg2 then
[19:56] <javatexan> but that might be a setting problem
[19:56] <javatexan> or that too
[19:56] <javatexan> I am trying to learn how to transcode to something else, but its slow go
[19:58] <nan1> I need the tv_grab_eu_epgdata. It will be available in 0.5.50 but in synaptic there is still 0.5.49 available. I tried the weekly builds, installation was okay but there is no change. Thank you for any help.
[19:58] <rhpot1992> javatexan: how are you trying to transcode?
[20:00] <javatexan> right now....the easiest way I can find...unfortunately I dont have any prior experience with converting movies at all, so its a learning process.  Until I installed mythtv, I didnt even know that mencoder and ffmpeg exists
[20:00] <javatexan> sorry
[20:00] <javatexan> i guess I could try to transcode in myth, but I am learning that too
[20:01] <rhpot1992> look at this some: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoEncoding
[20:01] <rhpot1992> has some ffmpeg lines in there for ipod
[20:01] <rhpot1992> will at least give you an idea
[20:02] <javatexan> wont the ipod completely make the screen grainy and such?
[20:03] <rhpot1992> http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/faq.html
[20:03] <rhpot1992> well ipod is a tiny screen
[20:03] <rhpot1992> and is limited
[20:03] <rhpot1992> 1.20 Which are good parameters for encoding high quality MPEG-1/MPEG-2?   '-mbd rd -flags +trell -cmp 2 -subcmp 2 -g 100 -pass 1/2' but beware the '-g 100' might cause problems with some decoders. Things to try: '-bf 2', '-flags qprd', '-flags mv0', '-flags skiprd.
[20:03] <javatexan> i found one thing that I tried and I think I converted them all to look grea on ipod...but they look terrible on TV
[20:04] <rhpot1992> well ya, ipod res is 320x240
[20:04] <rhpot1992> TV is much higher than that
[20:04] <rhpot1992> do you have an ipod?
[20:05] <javatexan> no ipod here...It was the auto setting for h.264 conversion in another program
[20:05] <javatexan> I didnt realize it until too late
[20:05] <javatexan> it just said h264 conversion.....go!
[20:05] <rhpot1992> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtranscode
[20:05] <rhpot1992> should just use that if you can
[20:06] <javatexan> ok thanks...ill read up on it
[20:06] <nan1> I know there is a german irc for mythbuntu. How can I find it. Thanks!
[20:06] <rhpot1992> I don't see any xvid options though, which appear in the transcode menus
[20:07] <rhpot1992> !irc
[20:07] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[20:07] <rhpot1992> !german
[20:07] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:07] <rhpot1992> that might help?
[20:08] <javatexan> where do I run this...terminal or in mythbuntu somewhere?
[20:09] <rhpot1992> that command can run in the terminal, but there are also hookins for it within mythtv
[20:09] <rhpot1992> if you go into mythtv-setup, there is a check under general about 4 tabs in to enable transcoding on a backend
[20:10] <javatexan> I have that set I think
[20:10] <rhpot1992> then you can configure transcoding options under setup of your frontend and run them on individual recordings
[20:10] <rhpot1992> for you with scripting you are gonna want to do them via the command I would think
[20:11] <javatexan> setup TV?
[20:11] <rhpot1992> as far as your commflagging and you file name problem, why don't you ask the mythtv-users mailing list for ideas
[20:11] <rhpot1992> I think, then under encoding profiles or something like that
[20:13] <nan1> thank you, have fun
[20:44] <javatexan> rhpot1994: I think you are right about the mpeg2, mythtranscode says unknown video codec when I run mythtranscode --infile <File> --buildindex --showprogress
[20:45] <rhpot1992> thats unfortunate
[20:46] <javatexan> I am trying to convert with mythtranscode --infile --mpeg2 --showprogress to see if it will make one it can do
[20:46] <javatexan> work with
[20:46] <javatexan> ls
[20:46] <javatexan> now i have movie.mpeg and movie.mpeg.tmp  whats up with that
[20:47] <rhpot1992> mythtranscode makes a backup by default IIRC
[20:48] <rhpot1992> though I thought they were .old
[20:48] <rhpot1992> is it done running?
[20:48] <javatexan> now they both say unknown video codec
[20:48] <javatexan> when I --buildindex....thats odd
[20:48] <javatexan> mythbuntu will play the files in Tv Recording
[20:49] <rhpot1992> it will play just about anything I think
[20:49] <javatexan> lol
[20:49] <javatexan> apparently .... even if it doesnt know what it is playing
[20:49] <rhpot1992> problem is that the flagging is done frame by frame, and if it can't access it like that then you get failure
[20:49] <javatexan> ah....any ideas on fixing?
[20:50] <rhpot1992> not really, this is beyond anything I have done now
[20:50] <javatexan> could I play with ffmpeg and encode it that way
[20:50] <rhpot1992> start asking on the mailing list
[20:50] <javatexan> okay..thanks
[20:50] <rhpot1992> you could, but I have no idea if myth could commflag it then
[20:50] <rhpot1992> if you ask on there, then maybe someone who knows about the process could give you some better advice
[20:51] <javatexan> okay...thanks a million
[20:51] <rhpot1992> no problem
[20:51] <rhpot1992> let me know how it works out
[20:52] <javatexan> how do I look at the Job Queue..?
[21:00] <javatexan> found out the problem...on the tivodecode forums
[21:04] <rhpot1992> job queue is under information section
[21:04] <rhpot1992> whats the fix?
[22:07] <_andrew> I've been using MythTV for a while, and I've got some ideas/scripts/docs that might be interesting in the Mythbuntu control center.  What I don't have is the time, skill or energy to make something graphical or nice to use.  Is there any point in my writing this stuff up, and if so, where's it best posted?
[22:16] <tgm4883_laptop> _andrew, writing it up is good.  Just make sure you get it to a dev and perhaps it can go either in the install manual, on the website, or in a program included or packaged for mythbuntu
[22:17] <_andrew> Fair enough.  Would you recommend sending it to the mailing list?  Filing it as a bug report on launchpad?
[22:17] <tgm4883_laptop> well it really depends on what it is
[22:18] <tgm4883_laptop> go ahead and stick it on the mailing list
[22:19] <_andrew> Fair enough.  Today it's setting up the initial list of channels and getting XMLTV set up more easily, but tomorrow I might have another problem :)
[22:20] <tgm4883_laptop> a writeup would be great
[22:20] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, ping
[22:33] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: I think superm1 is gone for a while still
[22:33] <rhpot1991> he said something about being gone for a week
[22:34] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop> did you see the new directv cablecard thing?
[22:35] <rhpot1991> the external box thing?
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[22:35] <rhpot1991> or something else?
[22:35] <rhpot1991> I posted a link on here about it, and no one commented :(
[22:35] <rhpot1991> looks promising
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop> im pretty much out of it right now
[22:36] <tgm4883_laptop> im still in the process of moving
[22:36] <tgm4883_laptop> and my desktop isn't setup yet
[22:36] <rhpot1991> moving is a pain
[22:36] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[22:36] <rhpot1991> I get to move next monthish
[22:36] <blkorpheus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/181871
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> wish that thing would release soon
[22:39] <rhpot1991> link I saw was a small scan though
[22:39] <rhpot1991> couldn't read the bullets
[22:39] <tgm4883_laptop> i probably saw the same scan
[22:39] <tgm4883_laptop> you can save the picture and blow it u
[22:39] <rhpot1991> in a perfect world we would be able to hook up the the ethernet/usb on it and have it usable, but I doubt it will be that easy
[22:39] <tgm4883_laptop> up
[22:39] <rhpot1991> I don't think there is any news on when it will be released though
[22:40] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[22:40] <rhpot1991> it would really make sense for them to have it opened up and usable, I'd switch instantly
[22:40] <tgm4883_laptop> hopefully in the next 6 months though
[22:40] <rhpot1991> though DTV is an evil evil company in my mind....
[22:41] <tgm4883_laptop> i agree
[22:41] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's the only thing available :(
[22:41] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[22:41] <tgm4883_laptop> satellite that is
[22:43] <rhpot1991> you have comcast right?
[22:44] <rhpot1991> they are offering a 12 month free upgrade to digital now, I'm contemplating calling and seeing if I can get a decent CSA that can tell me about the cable box and hopefully get me something with firewire enabled
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> i had comcast
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> not offered here though
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> just outside of town enough
[22:45] <rhpot1991> what are you switching to?
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> dtv
[22:45] <rhpot1991> gonna ir blast?
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> actually
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[22:45] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.patersontech.com/products/usbtvtranslator.aspx
[22:46] <tgm4883_laptop> im going to try and use this
[22:46] <rhpot1991> interesting
[22:46] <rhpot1991> you can prob just make your own
[22:47] <rhpot1991> actually prob not now that I look at it
[22:47] <rhpot1991> some guts in the serial box
[22:48] <rhpot1991> 2. PC-based DVRs require a serial port per receiver. Any USB-to-serial converter 				can be used to add serial ports.
[22:49] <rhpot1991> nevermind that, I read it wrong
[22:51] <rhpot1991> still gonna lose your HD signal though with that setup
[22:55] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[22:55] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[22:55] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll try to grab OTA HD
[22:55] <rhpot1991> hdhomerun?
[22:56] <tgm4883_laptop> pcHDTV 5500
[22:56] <rhpot1991> ah
[22:56] <rhpot1991> I want to get an hdhomerun to try with comcast digital, but I don't want to have a $150 device here that I may not be able to use
[22:56] <tgm4883_laptop> it should work well for Local HD channels
[22:57] <rhpot1991> I actually don't have an HD tv either
[22:57] <rhpot1991> so it would only be used as a tuner to access the digital channels, in the hopes that they aren't encrypting everything for no good reason
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> not exactly sure how well that would work
[22:58] <rhpot1991> I have heard from some people that it works
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't believe i was ever able to get digital cable channels with it
[22:59] <rhpot1991> but it depends on what your local comcast is doing
[22:59] <tgm4883_laptop> although i didn't try that hard
[23:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yay, 20 minutes of class left for the week
[23:01] <javatexan> rhpot1991 okay I cna tcextract the mpeg stream and I can extract the audio as ac3 just fine.  I cant get mplex to plex the audio portion.  I guess I have to find a multiplexor that can handle ac3 stream
[23:04] <directhex> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
[23:05] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, i saw that.  Looks great.  Just hope it has better linux support than the HVR-1600
[23:06] <tgm4883_laptop> home time
[23:06] <rhpot1991> The HD PVR will be available in Q1 2008, with a suggested retail price        of $249.
[23:06] <rhpot1991> price hurts
[23:06] <rhpot1991> javatexan: why are you doing that now?
[23:08] <javatexan> trying to see if I can make a compliant stream from the generated mpeg file.  Might fix all the errors I am seeing in myth
[23:10] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[23:12] <javatexan> oops...mplayer says its MPEG-PS
[23:12] <javatexan> whats the file ending for MPEG-PS?
[23:27] <solarbaby> 3.2 ghz procs though..
[23:57] <lime4x4> is it possible to have mythbuntu stream sirius radio from the internet?
[23:57] <Daviey> If you can do it in ubuntu, you can do it in mythbuntu
[23:58] <lime4x4> any good docs around for it?


[15:08] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[15:51] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[15:51] <zaki> how are you doing ?
[15:52] <pavlushka> zaki: doing good, you?
[15:52] <zaki> i'm okay


[00:09] <phaidros> ah, kewl
[00:09] <phaidros> ppa is helpful, as the currect git doesnt compile :)
[00:10] <phaidros> holstein: is the kxstudio ppa fully compatible with ubuntu
[00:10] <phaidros> ?
[00:10] <holstein> falk is the dev
[00:10] <holstein> i use it in 10.04
[00:10] <holstein> have since 10.04 released
[00:12] <phaidros> darn, that ppa packages are 2 yrs old
[00:46] <a-i> I just installed ubuntu studio, which soundcard should I go for? Is there a list of working interfaces?
[00:48] <a-i> it should be in the price range of 200-300 eur, maybe a mixer/interface with multiple inputs
[00:51] <a-i> somehow I'm supposing not everything works :)
[01:21] <oneman> hi
[01:29] <oneman> I am trying to find the patchlist used for the abogani kernels
[01:29] <oneman> can't find it anywhere
[05:08] <holstein> phaidros: feel free and aks falktx
[05:08] <holstein> hes the ppa maintainer
[05:08] <holstein> there are several different ppas
[05:09] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
[05:09] <holstein> OR, just install that 2 year old ppa in your 2 year old operating system, and install prebuilt packages you want to try
[05:10] <holstein> a-i: you can look several places.. i would also suggest #opensourcemusicians
[05:10] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[05:10] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/
[05:11] <holstein> i would try and get an idea of how many channels you want to have running at the same time
[05:11] <holstein> and how many microphone preamps you need/want
[05:11] <holstein> oneman: you can try #ubuntustudio-devel
[05:11] <holstein> or just try sending him a message
[05:12] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani
[16:09] <arges> does anyone know which package contains the alsa JACK plugin?
[16:27] <arges> it works! thanks ailo holstein
[16:32] <ailo> arges: nice
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; do you happen to know when ubuntu studio will be having a meeting again?
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> Apparently first sunday of the month?


[05:31] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:41] <pitti> juliank: the libgcrypt20 libs and its deps libgpg-error0 and libc6 don't have any conflicts/breaks
[05:42] <pitti> Unit193: yes, but as I said with sysv init scripts there is no generic fix as the scripts don't declare how they behave
[05:42] <pitti> Good morning
[07:51] <Mirv> flexiondotorg: mate-menu and mate-session-manager in unapproved queue now
[08:31] <andrewsh> hello guys
[08:32] <andrewsh> how do NMUs and sponsored uploads work in Ubuntu?
[08:32] <andrewsh> in other words,
[08:33] <andrewsh> if the maintainer isn't responsive, and I have a bug to fix, and a patch fixing the bug, and a bzr branch with that fix and a bunch of packaging improvements, and it's a Ubuntu-only package (not in Debian), who should I prod to get that uploaded?
[08:34] <dholbach> andrewsh, subscribe the 'ubuntu-sponsors' team to the bug report
[08:34] <dholbach> and thanks for fixing it!
[08:42] <andrewsh> dholbach: okay, I did. also, is creating something like this the right thing? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew.sh/adium-theme-ubuntu/adium-theme-ubuntu-lp1235472/+merge/291487
[08:44] <andrewsh> oops, it seems I proposed the merge to a wrong repository
[08:45] <cjwatson> Often better to just attach a patch.
[08:46] <cjwatson> The bzr import infrastructure is creaky and failing and due for replacement.
[08:47] <andrewsh> cjwatson: I attached patches, but there are more changes in the branch
[08:48] <andrewsh> as I fixed up the packaging too (so I could build my own package version locally)
[08:49] <cjwatson> andrewsh: My advice stands :)
[08:50] <cjwatson> You can always attach a debdiff against the previous source
[08:50] <cjwatson> Then you also won't get confused about which branch to merge into (since there really isn't a correct target branch now)
[08:52] <andrewsh> ha
[08:52] <mwhudson> if you want to work in a vcs locally, you can always gbp import-dsc to make a git repo to play around in
[08:55] <Laney> infinity: merci for the glib2.0 fix
[08:56] <Laney> Guess I should have downloaded an lp chroot eh
[08:56] <infinity> Laney: It's not the chroot that needed fixing, it's the base system.
[08:56] <infinity> Laney: As in, the machine running sbuild.
[08:57] <Laney> oh, wat
[08:57] <infinity> Laney: Turns out that systemd without libpam-systemd ends up putting everything in one tiny little cgroup of doom, and you can fork bomb yourself into oblivion with zero effort.
[08:57] <andrewsh> mwhudson: which is nearly what I did initially (I just did git add . & git commit)
[08:57] <andrewsh> &&, even
[08:57] <infinity> (Awesome design)
[08:58] <mwhudson> andrewsh: ah yep, that works too i guess :)
[08:59] <smb> cjwatson, Do we already have a bug report for Ubuntu about needing changes in (backported, too) apt-cacher-ng to handle by-index?
[09:00] <cjwatson> smb: It's already fixed in xenial.  I'm not aware of a bug about SRUs.
[09:00] <cjwatson> (by-hash, not by-index, BTW)
[09:01] <smb> cjwatson, sorry confused the terms. So I probably need to open one as well
[09:01] <smb> Since the proxy likely runs on not Xenial
[09:03] <cjwatson> smb: Makes sense.
[09:03] <cjwatson> I had enough to do, but feel free :)
[09:12] <pitti> smb: add SRU tasks, please don't open new bugs specifcially for SRUs
[09:13] <andrewsh> cjwatson: well, I did as you suggested :)
[09:13] <andrewsh> I hope that fix still can get into the release
[09:14]  * andrewsh is very afraid of jumping in right before the release after having to argue with jcristau in Debian :)
[09:14] <smb> pitti, how to do that if the problem has already been fixed in Xenial?
[09:19] <infinity> pitti: There wasn't an LP bug for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-cacher-ng/0.8.9-1ubuntu1
[09:19] <infinity> smb: Just go ahead and file one.
[09:19] <pitti> ah, it was a Debian bug, ok
[09:19] <smb> bug 1568754
[09:20] <infinity> smb: s/backport/SRU/
[09:21] <infinity> Oh, you do mention the SRU later.
[09:21] <smb> infinity, bah actually I had thought I removed that part before
[09:21] <smb> I fixed it now
[09:22] <infinity> smb: There, accepted your tasks and linked the xenial fix.
[09:23] <smb> infinity, ack, thanks
[09:23]  * infinity goes to get some sleep; it's going to be a long week.
[09:24] <alkisg> pitti: hi, could I please ping you again about LP: #1487679? It appears to be Ubuntu specific, not solvable from the nbd-client side, as *any* sysvinit service (not only rcS ones) that has *only* the "Required-Start: $network" header, creates a dependency cycle.
[09:24] <alkisg> I think the Ubuntu-specific network-manager patches are to blame for this.
[09:25] <pitti> alkisg: our nbd package is unmodified, so Debian's is in rcS too
[09:25] <alkisg> pitti: yes, and it works fine in debian
[09:25] <alkisg> It doesn't create a cycle
[09:25] <pitti> well, I doubt that
[09:25] <alkisg> I tried in Stretch and I saw no complains
[09:26] <alkisg> But even if I remove the rcS bit from its headers, I still get a dependency cycle in ubuntu
[09:26] <alkisg> So I think that this issues is different from the one you have in mind
[09:27] <pitti> the difference might be that in Debian NetworkManager-wait-online.service is not enabled by default
[09:27] <pitti> so NetworkManager does not block network-online.target
[09:27] <alkisg> Let me try to disable that in Ubuntu...
[09:27] <alkisg> systemctl disable?
[09:27] <pitti> well, this isn't a solution
[09:28] <alkisg> Just to see if it's a symptom
[09:28] <pitti> if you use NM, then NM-wait-online must be enabled, otherwise the whole idea of network-online.target breaks
[09:28] <alkisg> In comment #8, I mention the 2 lines that are different in ubuntu vs debian, that I applied to debian and caused the issue there too
[09:28] <alkisg> -After=network-pre.target dbus.service, +Wants=network.target, +Before=network.target
[09:32]  * pitti followed up to the bug
[09:32] <alkisg> Ty!
[09:37] <rbasak> xnox: any progress with the rsyslog FTBFS please?
[09:37]  * rbasak is trying to get all libmysqlclient18 rdepends rebuilt for src:mysql-5.6 removal.
[09:49] <infinity> rbasak: I fixed it with the same thing that fixed glib2.0 ... You're welcome.
[09:49] <rbasak> Thanks!
[09:56] <pitti> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20160401-xenial.html should really show when a newer version is sitting in -proposed
[10:22] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I've a few dpdk fixes piling up - personally I'd like to wait until upstream settled on a "final" fix (preliminary available)
[10:23] <cpaelzer> rbasak: looking at the Final Freeze I wonder if it would be recommended to prep and do the upload in the state as is
[10:23] <cpaelzer> rbasak: and only SRU in case it changes or any follow-on issues are identified?
[10:24] <xnox> pitti, cyphermox - is it normal for dbus messages from networkmanager to/from dnsmaq to be rejected? bug #1568787
[10:31] <pitti> xnox: not sure if it's "normal", but I think we've had these for quite some time
[10:33] <xnox> pitti, my problem is that every once and a while i loose nameserver resolution and I am struggling to debug it. E.g. i am connected to wifi & vpn, all via network-manager yet my nameserver settings do not appear to be in the dnsmasq that is running on <IP_ADDRESS> and then i am at a loss.
[10:34] <seb128> speaking about n-m, cyphermox I guess you saw that the update is blocked on proposed due to autopkgtest issues?
[10:34] <xnox> no actual config files in /run/NetworkManager that are helpful.
[10:34] <xnox> i wonder if new NM is better.
[10:35] <infinity> xnox: Did you catch my ping in backscroll about s390x booting degraded because cpacfstatsd.service fails?
[10:35] <xnox> infinity, i have not. and that's not nice indeed.
[10:36] <xnox> infinity, i'll take a look now.
[10:37] <infinity> xnox: We might also want to look at breaking up s390-tools even further.  Or something.  It's trying to pull stuff into minimal that really doesn't seem minimal (perl, sg3-utils...)
[10:38] <infinity> xnox: But I'll talk to you about that after I've slept.
[10:39] <infinity> libfuse2 ... Why does s390-tools want fuse? :P
[10:39]  * infinity goes to bed.
[10:47] <cpaelzer> to infinity 's dreams - I think they fuse-mount their dumps via zgetdump -m
[12:26] <tjaalton> any idea why zsh in xenial tab-completes usb-media like "/media/tjaalton/Ubuntu$'\001'6.04\ LTS\ amd64"?
[12:29] <tjaalton> hm, it's just for umount
[12:47] <smb> mvo, Bothering you because your name is somehow attached to the whole thing. I think I saw this in other places but cannot remember where. Right now there seems to be a common behaviour in Xenial that one does an apt-get update and gets a "AppStream cache update completed, but some metadata was ignored due to errors." Do you know whether some fix is already on its way?
[12:49] <smb> And could it be that this is about trying to get dep11/Components-<arch>.yml but only having a dep11/Components-<arch>.yml.gz in the archive
[12:51] <mvo> smb: unfortunately I don't know the answer to this, I would have to dig, but maybe Laney knows, he was working on this particular integration
[12:51] <Laney> https://github.com/ximion/appstream/issues/32
[12:53] <smb> Laney, Hm... yes that one. Guess that means no fix yet. Not sure this helps but I see some messages when having apt-cacher-ng in the pipeline which look like its probably missing the compressed Components
[12:54] <smb> At least there are unsuccessful attempts to access the *.yml uncompressed file variant
[12:54] <Laney> That would be a different problem
[12:56] <Laney> the message on that bug report comes after an apt update
[12:56] <smb> Yes, I get the same on the Xenial side
[12:56] <smb> But let me re-try with the appstreamcli cmd
[12:58] <smb> ... after upgrading the rest. have not done so since last friday
[12:58] <ximion> Laney: the bug above ^ will not have any huge consequences (like fw updates being ignored), but it still is a bug - basically, the quick validation is a bit too strict here
[12:58] <ximion> will fix that today
[13:06] <smb> Laney, Hm, ok the errors about the uncompressed files are gone now and the appstream problem is the same as reported (some component check in some firmware)
[13:06] <Laney> smb: k, should be fixed soon then
[13:07] <smb> Laney, ack and luckily (for me) not needing further changes to old apt-cacher-ng versions
[13:14] <cyphermox> xnox: I don't see these rejections.
[13:15] <cyphermox> seb128: I know, I was looking yesterday. I'm trying to figure out whether it's expected -- I think it is, there's a small change in the MAC address
[13:15] <seb128> cyphermox, k, good, let me know if I can help with anything
[13:15] <xnox> cyphermox, interesting, so it's me.
[13:19] <cyphermox> xnox: as I told Tony on Friday, you may need to tick "Use only for the resources on its network" checkbox for IPv6 in the VPN config if you find that you only lose DNS if you're connecting to VPN on wifi
[13:23] <xnox> hm, interesting
[13:23] <xnox> looking at my configs I already ignore ipv6 on the vpn connection
[14:28] <dasjoe> cking: hi, I'm running into issues with 16.04 on a ZFS rpool. As you may be aware I am following rlaager's guide with some minor modifications, as of now grub-probe can not detect / to be ZFS. Do you have any suggestions?
[14:30] <cking> urm, well, last time I tried it, I got it to work, so I'm not sure.  what differences are you making when folloing his notes?
[14:31] <dasjoe> cking: I'm using less datasets than he is, but this rpool setup has worked well for a few months by now. I just ran a generic upgrade through aptitude which segfaulted, followed by two "apt-get dist-upgrade" to get to a consistent state
[14:32] <cking> hmm. I  don't know off the top of my head, the only way is for me to follow his notes and see what's up
[14:33] <dasjoe> Log started: 2016-04-11  16:22:39 ← starting from "Log started: 2016-04-11  16:22:39" is what aptitude logged
[14:34] <dasjoe> cking: nevermind, I think. aptitude just removed the kernel, due to it not being configured correctly. I'll reinstall the kernel and grub should understand ZFS again
[14:35] <cking> heh. that could be a reason why it's not working :-/
[14:36] <dasjoe> cking: nope, still stuck here: http://paste.debian.net/432172/
[14:38] <dasjoe> cking: "chmod -x zz-update-grub" let me finish configuring the kernel, but grub-probe tells me "grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem."
[14:39] <dasjoe> cking: I have to go now, I'll be back later (hopefully)
[14:39] <cking> ok, I'll try and find some time to see if I can reproduce this
[15:05] <sil2100> infinity: hey! DMB meeting - will you be able to attend?
[15:15] <smoser> infinity, is there a bug for hwe-x installer kernel/initramfs ? if not, do you want one ? i'm getting asked about maas image information for trusty + hwe-x and i depend on that.
[15:18] <cyphermox> smoser: what is the bug?
[15:20] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas-images/+bug/1568918
[15:22] <smoser> cyphermox, ^ the bug is just lack of such things.
[15:22] <cyphermox> ah
[15:39] <seb128> Mirv, congrats ;-)
[15:40] <Mirv> thank you seb128 :)
[15:53] <ginggs> could someone have a look at autopkgtest for paraview please? it says 'test in progress' for s390x, but I suspect that to be a lie
[16:40]  * smoser wants to publicly thank cjwatson, mvo (and all others who were involved) for the slaughter of hash sum mismatch errors
[16:41] <smoser> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/no-more-hash-sum-mismatch-errors.html
[16:41] <alkisg> +1 from me for the very nice blog entry :)
[17:59] <dasjoe> cking: grub-probe seems to successfully query "zpool status", see its strace -f: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15764929/
[18:04] <smoser> ogra_, around ?
[18:04] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1563296
[18:04] <smoser> you opened that bug for cloud-init breaking snappy system boot.
[18:05] <smoser> now i think the reverse is happening.
[18:05] <smoser> on apt based system, i *think* that ubuntu-snappy (or ubuntu-snappy-cli) is writing in /etc/network/interfaces.d/eth0 and wreaking havoc
[18:06] <infinity> mvo: ^
[18:20] <ogra_> smoser, yo
[18:21] <ogra_> smoser, infinity, that got fixed by moving the seed to ubuntu-snappy-cli
[18:22] <ogra_> ubuntu-snappy ships the firestboot systemd job that sets up the interfaces file from snappy config data
[18:22] <ogra_> firstboot
[18:22] <ogra_> the seed got changed to only use the -cli package now
[18:22] <smoser> ogra_, ok. that makes me much happier.
[18:23] <ogra_> not sure all changes are in the archive yet ... i know mvo wanted to land something today
[18:23] <ogra_> but it is being handled if it isnt fixed yet
[18:24] <smoser> seed still shows ubuntu-snappy
[18:24] <smoser> ogra_, is there a bug ?
[18:24] <smoser> if not, i'll file one and make the changes in the seed right now.
[18:24] <smoser> i'd rather not wait a day and a set of images if i dont have to
[18:24] <ogra_> not sure, mvo worked on it (and spent actually some full workdays and the weekend on it)
[18:24] <smoser> :-(
[18:24] <ogra_> i thought it was ready for landing today
[18:25] <smoser> well.. id ont want to step on toes.
[18:25] <ogra_> (and i thought the seed change had already landed ... )
[18:25] <smoser> well, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial/view/head:/cloud-image
[18:25] <ogra_> the solution is that desktop installs shouldnt have any snappy systemd units though ...
[18:25] <smoser> definitely says ubuntu-snappy
[18:26] <smoser> gah
[18:26] <ogra_> ah, not sure he looked at the cloud seed ...
[18:26] <smoser> ogra_, i'll take it from here.
[18:26] <smoser> thank you for your help.
[18:26]  * ogra_ checks the desktop seed
[18:27] <ogra_> yeah, server and desktop both have -cli already
[18:27] <ogra_> so adjust cloud to that and you shoould be fine
[18:27] <smoser> hm..
[18:27]  * smoser wonders if we want to recommend only
[18:28] <ogra_> up to you :)
[18:28] <ogra_> deskto only recommends ... server depends
[18:38] <infinity> smoser: I think recommends is probably the right answer for this cycle, since we're not including any snaps by default, and users might want to reclaim the space.  Promoting that to a depends by 18.04 would probably be The Right Thing, if we're also snapping in the default install(s).
[18:39] <smoser> infinity, i think so to.
[18:44] <smoser> infinity, ok. pushed that change. and the ubuntu-snappy to ubuntu-snappy-cli
[18:45] <smoser> should we re-build ubuntu-meta ?
[18:45] <infinity> smoser: I'll grab that.
[18:45] <smoser> thank you.
[19:49] <mvo> infinity: yes, that is fixed, we want to land a new upload tonight that fixes this even harder
[20:06] <infinity> mvo: I'm all for fixing harder. ;)
[20:17] <smoser> hey.
[20:18] <smoser> slangasek, wrt bug 1505839 ... the 'esc' is much nicer.
[20:18] <smoser> compared to backspacing N times to get rid of stuff through the F6
[20:24] <F4S4K4N> I'm looking into possible porting Ubuntu to another ISA, is there a place documenting the build procedure from scratch more or less?
[20:32] <F4S4K4N> Or should i just look at the packages in a minimal install, build those from the ubuntu repo, install them and go from there?
[21:05] <cyphermox> pitti: roaksoax_ found an issue with the ifname code in systemd, at least specifically for the USB devices (where the MAC is encoded in the name)
[21:06] <cyphermox> pitti: the name come to a length of 15 characters, and IFNAMSIZ is 16; so you can't use labels, since that would get you past the limit of IFNAMSIZ
[21:06] <slangasek> smoser: so... sure, I understand "nicer", but o_O that people are relying on this particular interface which I didn't know was there despite having tested Ubuntu images for nigh on a decade.  What do you have that relies on this interface? Is it just this third-party "cloud image creation" tool?
[21:06] <cyphermox> that can be verified by running ifup on an enx device
[21:07] <smoser> slangasek, well. yeah, to my knowledge its just 'packer'. although if i were automating installation of ubuntu from cd and i'd seen that that worked, i'd have done the same.
[21:08] <slangasek> smoser: sure, I understand; it's still unsupported from my POV and not something I want us to commit to fixing
[21:08] <smoser> my first thought was basically the same as yours
[21:08] <smoser> i dont know how you decide if something is "supported" or not
[21:08] <smoser> nothing that i'm aware of describes F6 as a 'supported' intereface.
[21:08] <slangasek> smoser: it's not part of the install experience that we validate
[21:09] <smoser> and to my knowledge, i dont know that we have any automated test that woudl test F6^H^H^H^H^H either
[21:09] <smoser> this is clearly an unintended bug. rather than just a changed interface.
[21:10] <rbasak> IMHO a new release is a good time to change an interface.
[21:10] <smoser> i looked quickly at both diffeernces in the isolinux/ dir on thte cds and in syslinux source and didn't see anything obvious between 15.05 and 15.10
[21:11] <smoser> rbasak, its not an interface.
[21:11] <cyphermox> slangasek: smoser: fwiw I may be testing the wrong thing but esc, esc, enter does get me a command-line interface without issues here, it doesn't just switch back to the gfx
[21:11] <smoser> changing an interface by design and unintentionally regressing are differen things.
[21:11] <smoser> this is the latter.
[21:11] <rbasak> https://xkcd.com/1172/
[21:11] <cyphermox> scratch that
[21:11] <smoser> cyphermox, it does in deed
[21:11] <smoser> yeah. and then try to do something :)
[21:11] <cjwatson> I imagine it's a bug in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu FWIW
[21:11] <slangasek> cyphermox: the issue reported is that trying to boot by typing a boot command there doesn't work
[21:11] <rbasak> If it was never intended, and we accidentally break it in a new release, then that's fine.
[21:11] <cjwatson> ... happy debugging
[21:11] <cyphermox> yeah, I saw
[21:12] <smoser> *nothing* works . not even 'help'
[21:12] <slangasek> smoser: I am not disputing that it is a bug; I am disputing that it is a bug that we care about
[21:12] <rbasak> Especially if there's some way to provide the behaviour they're after.
[21:12] <cjwatson> quite possibly prompted by new syslinux, but still
[21:12] <smoser> cjwatson, but we didnt'g et a new syslinux
[21:12] <cjwatson> we did, just not a very much newer one
[21:12] <teward> nacc: i was actually going to poke you about 7.0.5 since I saw a notice on it
[21:12] <smoser> see my last comment there. it was broken between 3:6.03+dfsg-5ubuntu1 and 3:6.03+dfsg-8ubuntu2
[21:13] <cjwatson> yes I saw that
[21:13] <smoser> right.
[21:13] <rbasak> And provided that we aren't interested in supporting that use case.
[21:13] <cjwatson> but if you have not read gfxboot-theme-ubuntu's code you can have no conception of how delicate and weird it is
[21:13] <nacc> teward: yeah, i talked to ondrej about it, he didn't think it was worth doing another FFe -- but im also planning on filing a dotrelease update request for php7
[21:13] <teward> nacc: though, as a security person, I'd still say 7.0.5 vs. 7.0.4, to keep updated (but as long as you and ondrej are on the same page, and things're backported where necessary, all's good)
[21:13] <cjwatson> it is totally plausible that sneezing on syslinux could have broken something
[21:13] <teward> nacc: makes sense.
[21:13] <smoser> look at the changes though http://paste.ubuntu.com/15767880/
[21:14] <rbasak> Perhaps the act of rebuilding it changed something?
[21:14] <cjwatson> it's entirely believable.  somebody is going to have to don the waders and debug gfxboot
[21:14] <cjwatson> could actually be in gfxboot rather than gfxboot-theme-ubuntu I suppose
[21:15] <cjwatson> I notice gfxboot didn't change at all; perhaps it needs a rebuild or something
[21:15] <smoser> i'm sypathetic to slagaseks' point of view, because i can definitely see myself arguing that. indeed i *did* argue it when i first read thsi bug.
[21:15] <cjwatson> speaking as somebody who has debugged this stuff in the past (and is not going to do it now :-) ), I have no idea how long it would take to track this down
[21:16] <smoser> but this is much more something that should work then something that worked by happenstance. and i'm weary of saying anything inadvertantly broken between a release that wasnt documented as "will work" is thus up for calling unsupported.
[21:16] <cjwatson> if I had been asked to estimate this while on foundations I would have said anything from a day to a week
[21:16] <cjwatson> I would agree that it's a bug but I don't suppose foundations has a whole lot of time to spare before 16.04
[21:16] <smoser> :-(
[21:16] <cyphermox> this is going to be "fun"
[21:17] <rbasak> Is there a different way to cover their use case instead?
[21:17] <smoser> well, yes.
[21:17] <smoser> a.) cloud image
[21:17] <smoser> b.) netboot cd
[21:17] <smoser> c.) F6 + 47 (not 48) backspaces
[21:18] <rbasak> None of those seem particularly great :(
[21:18] <smoser> (the number is wrong, but the the piont is that you have to get the number right, and if we say that is the supported interface, then we have to keep the number right)
[21:18] <smoser> actually, i think a and b are valid
[21:18] <smoser> c seems like crap to as a workaround.
[21:18] <rbasak> Simulating keypresses is pretty broken though.
[21:19] <smoser> yeah. thats why netboot cd is valid
[21:19] <smoser> you dont. you get kernel, you pass it cmdline you want.
[21:19] <smoser> i have to run
[21:19] <rbasak> Me too
[21:19] <smoser> thanks you all for discussion.
[21:20] <nacc> slangasek: can you point me again to the dotrelease SRU documentation? I had it open before but seem to have lost it
[21:21] <slangasek> nacc: do you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?
[21:23] <nacc> slangasek: maybe, you had referred me at some point to documentation when we discussed php7.0 having dotrelease updates
[21:23] <slangasek> nacc: probably the subsection of that page about micro release exceptions
[21:24] <nacc> slangasek: thanks, will review
[23:18] <mvo> infinity: new snappy is upload under the new "snapd" source package name. it would be wonderful to get a review from the release team for this (and ubuntu-core-launcher, ubuntu-core-config, initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core but all of those are small). thanks a bunch !


[00:00] <arosales> irossi, for upgrading from .7 to 1.x I am not sure of the steps needed
[00:19] <hazmat> irossi, there is no upgrade path atm between the two for live migration, you can export and import the topology (config, services, machines, relations) with something like juju-deployer or the gui (hotkey shift-D), but its a fresh start effectively.
[09:06] <rogpeppe> anyone know of a decent way of enumerating all the charms in the charm store? i did a screenscrape of the charm website ages ago and got 90, but i'd like to get as many as possible.
[09:07] <rogpeppe> currently my best guess is going through https://code.launchpad.net/charms and looking for all lp:charms/xxx branches, but there's surely a better way
[09:24] <axw> rogpeppe: charm-tool? "charm list" lists all the charm branches in https://code.launchpad.net/charms
[09:25] <axw> you'd need to clean them a bit
[09:25] <rogpeppe> axw: hmm, i didn't know about the charm tool
[09:25] <axw> rogpeppe: it's basically just scripting what you just said anyway
[09:26] <rogpeppe> axw: yeah, i've just done that anyway, but it would be nice to be able to make it automatic
[09:27] <rogpeppe> axw: where did you find the charm tool?
[09:27] <axw> rogpeppe: https://launchpad.net/charm-tools
[10:22] <geme> marcocepp1, picking up from yesterday. Looks like there's a typo index.sjson in the code. When I upload an index.sjson in the public-bucket the bootstrap completes
[10:48] <mattyw> I get permission denied (publickey, password) when try to juju ssh to local instance, have I missed something obvious?
[10:53] <geme> juju-core 1.13.1 won't bootstrap on private openstack. /var/log/cloud-init-output.log reports : ERROR juju open.go:89 state: connection failed, will retry: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:37017: connection refused. There's nothing running on this port.mongod is running on 27017 and 28017 thoght
[13:06] <geme> bootstrap problems behind the firewall : Is there away to set proxy so that cloud-init can hit external apt repositories ?
[13:13] <mgz> geme: if no one turns up, the best fallback is probably to describe your setup and issue on the juju mailing list, see lists.ubuntu.com
[13:27] <geme> thanks
[13:49] <geme> juju-core : what constraints are recogned ? instance-type doesn't appear to be.
[13:49] <geme> recognised
[13:49] <rick_h> geme: I believe you have to use ram/cpu
[13:52] <geme> rick_h: openstack uses flavors ( ram/cpu combos ) which was supported in the python version
[14:13] <geme> rick_h: you're correct --constraints "cpu-cores=8 mem=32G" picks the flavor. Thanks
[14:56] <jamespage> hazmat, has anyone mentioned packages jujuclient and juju-deployer officially for Ubuntu?  getting nearish feature freeze - so if we want something in distro now is good :-)
[15:04] <hazmat> jamespage, i haven't heard it mentioned but it sounds like a good idea, we've got ppa builds for both,  but  both are still under active dev. there's some new usage of core trunk features in a branch (api-endpoints, and switching out separate cli juju-plugins). what's nesc. to get a push into universe?
[16:27] <_mup_> Bug #1213169 was filed: DB instance loses zookeeper access and drops pg_hba.conf entries for appservers, juju status shows no errors <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213169>
[16:54] <kurt__> Does anyone know the status of juju-gui in quantal?
[16:54] <kurt__> Is it working?
[16:55] <kurt__> I am trying to use it from here: cs:~pmcgarry/quantal/juju-gui and it appears to have some dependency reconcile issues
[16:56] <hazmat> kurt__, it should work, the best way might to pull the charm local into a different series dir.. ie mkdir charms/quantal && cd charms/quantal && bzr branch lp:charms/juju-gui && juju deploy --repository=../.. quantal/juju-gui
[16:59] <kurt__> Ok thanks.  I can try that.  The big problem I am running in to is nodejs conflicts with nom on the package install hook
[16:59] <kurt__> nom rather
[16:59] <kurt__> npm
[17:10] <kurt__> hazmat: sorry, I'm researching usage of deploying juju locally - but could you check your juju deploy command for accuracy?
[17:13] <kurt__> nevermind...
[17:20] <kurt__> Can someone confirm juju-gui needs full internet access to work?  That will create problems when using maas since the clients may not necessarily need have internet access.  I see the install script trying to do an apt-get update and it bails (install-error) when it can't do it.
[17:20] <kurt__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5993501/
[17:20] <kurt__> Per hazmat's instructions, I am using latest quantal branch install
[17:20] <sarnold> kurt__: if your clients won't have internet access, you'll need a local mirror of some sort..
[17:21] <kurt__> sarnold: the script appears to be wanting to do an update though…when that fails, everything breaks - how do I resolve that part?
[17:23] <sarnold> kurt__: I'd investigate some way to provide a local mirror that can satisfy an apt-get update; I think quite a few pre-written charms will expect that to work. charms you write yourself, of course, can wget sources from wherever :) but most charm authors will expect apt-get to work.
[17:24] <kurt__> ugh, I think that breaks mass's cloud model
[17:24] <kurt__> maas's rather
[17:24] <sarnold> hrm. It might. :/
[17:25] <kurt__> wouldn't it be prudent to check somehow if maas is the deployment model and then do the apt-get update accordingly?
[17:27] <sarnold> another option is maas growing a debmirror function.
[18:08] <hazmat> kurt__, that branch is trunk, its used to cut the precise release, the instruction i had there is for creating a local charm repository  with the trunk branch setup as quantal.. i don't understand what you mean by local usage, you can deploy an lxc container of precise on a quantal host.
[18:09] <kurt__> I got it deployed
[18:09] <hazmat> cool
[18:09] <kurt__> thanks - but still dealing with the internet access problem for apt-get update
[18:09] <kurt__> trying to set up NAT
[18:26] <kurt__> sarnold: I now have internet issue solved, but same problem with juju-gui - I can post output from debug
[18:27] <sarnold> kurt__: please do.. I figured that getting access to the archive would let you past that.
[18:27] <kurt__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5993717/
[18:29] <kurt__> and output from apt-get update in client node: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5993719/
[18:29] <kurt__> being run from a quantal client
[18:31] <sarnold> kurt__: hrm. did you use add-apt-repository to add the ppa?
[18:32] <kurt__> on the client? no - on the root node, yes
[18:33] <kurt__> and juju-gui was being installed from the bzr branch
[18:33] <kurt__> not that that matters
[22:42] <kurt__> sarnold: I managed to use precise and finally got juju-gui working :D
[22:43] <sarnold> kurt__: nice!
[22:44] <sarnold> kurt__: was there something specific that fixed it?
[22:46] <kurt__> I had to ensure the internal clients had internet access (NAT) and I used precise for the images instead of quantal
[22:47] <sarnold> hrm, it might be worth a bugreport against quantal juju or juju-gui if just changing between precise and quantal is enough to fix or break it.
[22:47] <kurt__> that allows the client's clock to sync properly.  Even though its in EST, it's still correct.
[22:47] <kurt__> that solved my OAuth problems
[22:48] <kurt__> there is no quantal release of juju-gui
[22:48] <sarnold> ah, makes it hard to file a bug then :)
[22:48] <kurt__> :D
[22:48] <kurt__> but, I don't know what the latest bzr branch is based on
[22:50] <kurt__> that is two weeks worth of work finally solved
[22:50] <kurt__> phewww....
[22:50] <sarnold> yeah, me neither. the juju team is in a bit of a tough spot since precise is where people will have deployed workloads that they need supported, but they are trying to make the next lts, 14.04, as awesome as they can. most people get to just maintain the old stuff, but they were ambitious and wanted new stuff on older platforms too..
[22:50] <kurt__> is 14.04 LTS?
[22:51] <sarnold> of course all the charms are another matter, people again have precise-based workloads, but some people wanted features from newer releases..
[22:51] <sarnold> kurt__: that's the current plan; I think it'd take an immense event to change it..
[22:51] <kurt__> right
[22:52] <sarnold> and since 13.10 appears to be shaping up well, every thing feels to be on track -- to me, anyway :)
[22:53] <kurt__> are you canonical?
[22:53] <kurt__> with rather
[22:53] <sarnold> kurt__: yes, I am, but not on the juju team, I'm just an enthusiast there :) hehe
[22:54] <kurt__> ah ok - what's your specialty then?
[22:54] <sarnold> kurt__: security
[22:54] <kurt__> i c


[02:34] <gilbert> paultag: just pulled a couple hours a go, but i'll go again
[02:34] <paultag> bleh
[02:34] <paultag> shit, there was some refactoring
[02:35] <paultag> gilbert: drop a report in the TODO - I'll let arno know
[02:35] <gilbert> well, its any easy fix.  i was thinking about pushing it (after testing w my next dputting)
[02:36] <gilbert> as far as i can tell _interface is nowhere to be seen anymore
[02:36] <paultag> yah, totally
[02:36] <paultag> yeah, ugh
[02:36] <paultag> feel free to just push up the fix
[02:36] <gilbert> ok, cool
[02:37] <paultag> as you now know, I'm on VAC for the next few days
[02:37] <paultag> :)
[02:37] <paultag> so feel free to fix dput as you find problems, since i'll be a bit laggy
[02:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: http://i.imgur.com/fo9mw.jpg
[02:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: A german shepherd with a tow hitch... o.o
[02:45] <Cheri703> hehe
[02:45] <Cheri703> there are actually lots of instances of dogs pulling carts
[02:45] <Cheri703> also scooters and such
[02:46] <canthus13> Oh I know... but that still makes me chuckle.
[02:46] <canthus13> Rotties seem to behave better if y ou teach them to pull and have them pull regularly.
[03:04] <Cheri703> yeah