[18:03] <kulhas> zachrab: why dont you use the software center or synapitic ?
[18:03] <usr13> zachrab: sudo apt-get install xchat
[18:03] <chisholm> Is anyone having trouble where their sound is staticy in chrome?
[18:03] <usr13> zachrab: Sorry just xchat
[18:03] <varunendra> dwr, next - "sudo cp b43/* /lib/firmware/b43/" (mind the space before "/lib/fir...")
[18:04] <usr13> zachrab: apt-cache search <key-word>   #To find out what you don't know.
[18:04] <zachrab> usr13: ok i installed irssi how do i launch it
[18:05] <anonee> again, if anyone just tells me what to do, it would be great, the sound doesn't work only on my user account, this is what I get when I type "pulseaudio" in the terminal http://pastebin.com/HH3DhcQV
[18:05] <MeirD> How can I run a process from the shell with a different LANG env?
[18:05] <Nach0z> zachrab: tmux irssi
[18:05] <Nach0z> or screen irssi
[18:05] <dwr> done
[18:05] <zachrab> Nach0z: so does irssi run in the terminal?
[18:05] <Nach0z> yes.
[18:05] <Nach0z> run it in screen or tmux, makes it more BNC-ish
[18:05] <zachrab> Nach0z: BNC?
[18:05] <varunendra> dwr, now confirm - "ls /lib/firmware/b43 | wc -l" ==> does it show about (or exactly) 117 ?
[18:06] <Nach0z> reduces startup lag for people like me who are on a hundred fifty some odd channels...
[18:06] <Nach0z> zachrab: screen or tmux, so it never goes offline basically
[18:06] <usr13> zachrab: Yes irssi runs in terminal
[18:06] <Nach0z> and you can just hop right back in
[18:06] <varunendra> dwr, sorry, make it "ls -1..."
[18:06] <zachrab> usr13: i wanna use a more GUI client so i tried installing xchat
[18:06] <hrolf_> Sucks when a single browser, a single tab, a single script can bring your whole system down.
[18:06] <hrolf_> Something is wrong with Ubuntu
[18:07] <Nach0z> if you want a gui client, try icechat 9.
[18:07] <zachrab> usr13: how do i launch xchat and delete irssi
[18:08] <dwr> cursor flashed, then went solid, now nothing
[18:08] <varunendra> dwr, does the command "ls /lib/firmware/b43" return some output?
[18:09] <dwr> a list of .fw files
[18:10] <varunendra> dwr, that's fine then. Now do - "sudo modprobe -rfv b43"...... then..... "sudo modprobe -v b43" . Does the wireless come to life?
[18:11] <DWSR> hey all, I just did an install of precise server amd64, did an initial dist-upgrade, and rebooted because of a kernel upgrade. Now I can't boot the server. Halp? Additionally, my grub is fscked and doesn't display properly on the connected monitor.
[18:14] <dwr> hey cursor flashes the goes solid then flashes, no sign of wifi yet!
[18:14] <k8553555> 1
[18:14] <HALP> have you tried turning it off and back on?
[18:14] <satyam2> DWSR: what do you need the server for?
[18:14] <DWSR> satyam2: File/media server.
[18:15] <varunendra> dwr, does "lsmod | grep b43" return some output?
[18:15] <santiago> list
[18:15] <satyam2> DWSR: try going by tty, see if you login there...
[18:15] <DWSR> HALP: Yes.
[18:16] <DWSR> satyam2: This is a vanilla server install. I don't have Unity or X installed. The ttys don't appear at all, trying 1 through 7
[18:16] <sharif> can u help me plzz any one
[18:16] <HALP> new install? i would just do a "do over"
[18:16] <sharif> Ubuntu Edge price plzz
[18:16] <satyam2> DWSR: ohh alright! Let some expert help you! By the way you work in a company?
[18:17] <DWSR> satyam2: no.
[18:17] <Myrtti> sharif: it's on the indygogo website.
[18:17] <karen_> Hi, I've had Xubuntu 12.04 for a few months and heard that Linux doesn't use Silverlight. I just signed up for Book Patch and online site to write and print a book. It is asking me to download Microsoft Silverlight to be able to use the site. What should I do?
[18:17] <DWSR> HALP: I'd rather not spend the 3 hours it took to get the server to where it is currently. It's a new installation, but I had to install zfsonlinux, which takes a long while to compile the kernel modules.
[18:17] <MagePsycho> how to diff two folder files?
[18:17] <DWSR> karen_: Use Mono.
[18:17] <sharif> web sit plzz
[18:18] <sharif> web site plzz
[18:18] <karen_> What do you mean, "use Mono"? How do I do that?
 plzz website
[18:18] <Myrtti> karen_: moonlight might work, but there's no guarantees. moonlight requires mono to work.
[18:18] <karen_> o.k. is that in the software?
[18:19] <Myrtti> sharif: I'm sure the website you heard about the device has a link to the indygogo fundraiser.
[18:19] <satyam2> yes try Moonlight
[18:19] <dwr> nothing as yet, starting to think this laptop is just a pos
[18:19] <DWSR> karen_: http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/what-is-silverlight/ <--- Silverlight is officially supported on Linux.
[18:20] <DWSR> karen_: Additionally, check out the Moonlight project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_(runtime)
[18:20] <varunendra> dwr, are you sure you are typing "|" and not "\" ?? ;P
[18:21] <dwr> yes, i think terminal is still processing sudo modprobe -v b43
[18:21] <karen_> So, can I download the Silverlight and be safe here on my Xubuntu?
[18:21] <karen_> since you said it is supported on lInux
[18:21] <xangua> karen_: there is no 'silverlight for linux'
[18:21] <varunendra> dwr, it should be done in less than two second !
[18:22] <dwr> maybe bad laptop, am trying ubuntu cos win7 ground to a halt?
[18:22] <karen_> soooo I'm sorry, what should I do then on that site?
[18:22] <varunendra> dwr, so is the terminal not ready to accept commands yet? Can you run "lsmod | grep b43" in another terminal ?
[18:23] <godbod> hello, anyone knows how to enable/disable USB port wth fake usb like fans, lihts etc?
[18:23] <godbod> lights*
[18:23] <HALP> Karen : Virtual Box
[18:24] <karen_> did someone just write me saying get Virtual Box?
[18:24] <dwr> yes just goes to next command line, no output
[18:24] <HALP> i run XP on Oracle VM
[18:25] <HALP> iTunes
[18:25] <varunendra> dwr, the firmware files seem to be in place. You may just reboot if nothing else works. And make sure the wireless switch is turned on if you laptop has one.
[18:25] <Shizuo> Welcome to Ubuntu
[18:26] <dwr> yes it is on, will try reboot. Thanks anyway, your a star for helping
[18:26] <varunendra> dwr, not yet ? ;P
[18:26] <karen_> O.K. guys, what do i do on Book Patch if I can't download Silverlight?
[18:26] <varunendra> dwr, I assume you are replying from a different system ?
[18:27] <Shizuo> Silverlight?
[18:27] <DWSR> !silverlight
[18:27] <DWSR> !silverlight | karen_
[18:27] <xangua> DWSR: moonlight is no longer developed
[18:27] <Shizuo> !dotnet
[18:27] <Shizuo> !.net
[18:27] <DWSR> xangua: Mono still is.
[18:27] <DWSR> xangua: So confused.
[18:28] <DWSR> Microsoft says they officially support it.
[18:28] <karen_> THANKS! I'll try that command!
[18:28] <xangua> DWSR: microsoft says lots of things
[18:28] <DWSR> xangua: Yeah, they do.
[18:29] <DWSR> karen_: If that doesn't work for you, you're going to have to install Windows inside of a virtual machine (such as with VirtualBox) and run your Silverlight application from there.
[18:29] <DWSR> hey all, I just did an install of precise server amd64, did an initial dist-upgrade, and rebooted because of a kernel upgrade. Now I can't boot the server. Additionally, my grub is fscked and doesn't display properly on the connected monitor.
[18:30] <dwr> yes using my ex-bf win7 pc he left here! hence why i would love to get up and running
[18:30] <DYSW> He left.. Imagining him standing in socks only outside in january. OT sorry
[18:30] <karen_> It said it was unable to activate    moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[18:31] <dwr> Im stuck with this old dell with smashed screen and ext monitor feeling pretty sorry for myself
[18:31] <varunendra> dwr, if you haven't restarted the ubuntu lappy yet, or if the reboot doesn't work, please check if "lsmod | grep wl" returns something. This device should be quite simple to fix (unless it is broken).
[18:31] <DYSW> dwr; at least you got his laptop. Lets get it working
[18:32] <karen_> I mean "unable to locate package"
[18:32] <DWSR> karen_: Apparently the package is no longer supported.
[18:32] <DWSR> karen_: Meaning you'll have to use a virtual machine.
[18:32] <dwr> just about booted up
[18:32] <karen_> oh    what does "use a virtual machine mean?"
[18:33] <varunendra> dwr, did you cross your fingers ??  Now I can't boot the server. Additionally, my grub is fscked and doesn't display properly on the connected monitor.
[18:33] <DWSR> karen_: I'm not really sure how much more I can really explain that to you.
[18:33] <dwr> wl 3226093 1
[18:33] <DWSR> karen_: You're going to have to virtually run a copy of Windows inside of a virtual machine so that you can use your Silverlight application.
[18:34] <dwr> lib80211 14352 1 wl
[18:34] <DWSR> Meaning it's going to require at least an hour or so of your time and effort.
[18:34] <varunendra> dwr, that may be the problem. I think BINGO !
[18:34] <dwr> cfg80211 510937 1 wl
[18:34] <Sarger001> Is there a way I could run my laptop at home and connect to it using a remote desktop on a live cd or do i have to install ubuntu first onto the computer i'll be connecting from?
[18:34] <karen_> o.k.  or use my other computer Windows computer.
[18:35] <DWSR> karen_: Or that as well.
[18:35] <varunendra> dwr, try - "sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source"
[18:35] <karen_> There's no other thing that will work, huh? Kinda like trying to get Netflix to work, same thing, I think.
[18:35] <DWSR> karen_: Yes. Unfortunately, with such a small market share, Linux is left in the cold for these things.
[18:36] <karen_> o.k.  that's a bummer, but thanks for your time.
[18:36] <DWSR> karen_: Sorry I couldn't help you further!
[18:36] <HALP> personally if something doesn't work on Linux I don't miss it
[18:36] <HALP> I'm just thankful my computers don't have to install updates for 45 minutes every time i shut them down
[18:37] <DWSR> HALP: yeah, there are pros and cons.
[18:37] <dwr> removing all dkms modules
[18:37] <dwr> still working
[18:37] <HALP> every time my uncles starts his laptop he has to update something, and every time he shuts it down too LooooL
[18:37] <Sarger001> Like can i share a remote desktop from my laptop computer at home (Ubuntu 13.04) and use someone elses computer far away or something with a Ubuntu 13.04 live CD and view my remote desktop and control it?
[18:37] <dwr> on a side note, i think win7 knew i was abandoning them
[18:38] <HALP> thing is though, when you update windows it fixes stuff....and when you update Linux...it breaks EVERYTHING
[18:38] <varunendra> dwr, yes, we are removing the proprietary driver. Once it is finished, check - "lsmod | grep b43". Any output?
[18:38] <dwr> my ubuntu iso download got to 94% and i look up and see installing updates on my screen
[18:38] <euxneks> HALP, that's debatable
[18:38] <HALP> (also *never* update iOS)
[18:38] <dwr> ok
[18:38] <varunendra> dwr, win7 knew? Any misbehaviour from it?
[18:39] <Sarger001> When i updated my Windows 8 it broke itself
[18:39] <dwr> no output
[18:39] <Sarger001> And then i just reinstalled linux because i didn't want to install that piece of ****
[18:39] <Sarger001> again
[18:39] <Sarger001> xD
[18:39] <varunendra> dwr, good. Now do - "sudo modprobe -v b43" -- > shouldn't get stuck this time.
[18:40] <dwr> just that it let me get 20 mins into downloading ubuntu then it decided now would be a good time to restart and install updatesw
[18:40] <varunendra> :D
[18:40] <Sarger001> Have you tried torrenting it? Faster and more reliable.
[18:40] <dwr> i have it now.
[18:40] <Sarger001> Oh
[18:41] <Sarger001> Okat
[18:41] <Sarger001> *Okay
[18:41] <dwr> terminal looks like not responding again
[18:42] <Guest87760> O.k. i just went to the Software Center and typed in Silverlight to see what they offer. It's offering "Splash to Personal for Linux (Beta)", something about being able to hook up to Windows etc... I don't know. does anyone know about that?
[18:42] <dwr> cock it
[18:42] <varunendra> dwr, perhaps I should have brought down the interface also.... another reboot ? :(
[18:42] <dwr> ok
[18:43] <dementor> how  can i controll my  laptop fan speed i install lm-sensor i can see the temp of the proc but i need to control the fan  speed   i am new in linux
[18:43] <MichaelP> If attackers can steal are user names and passwords.. from ubuntu servers.. for the ubuntu fourums .. how sercure is are compyrers running the distro. ?    Ubuntu forums was attacked.....   http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html?t=1471664
[18:44] <baordog> how would I ask unix's time function for yesterdays date?
[18:44] <fellayaboy> how do i mount a network (ssh) filesystem to my local filesystem...i have a laptop and i want to mount my desktops filesystem as if it were a local drive..i only connect to it via ssh
[18:44] <jrib> MichaelP: depends on how the server was compromised I imagine.
[18:45] <Slart> MichaelP: as safe as the people taking care of them make them.  ;P
[18:47] <dwr> go ahead, I am intriuged
[18:47] <varunendra> dwr, just for your confidence, this device you have works pretty well with the native b43 driver : http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 . But the initial failure to simply install the linux-firmware-nonfree package may indicate some additional (possibly non-related) issues.
[18:48] <varunendra> dwr, the name means - "The God of Water" by the way.... :)
[18:48] <Slart> baordog: date --date="yesterday"    seems to work
[18:48] <Slart> baordog: not sure if it works on a unix machine though.. but this is #ubuntu after all =)
[18:48] <dwr> Very nice
[18:49] <fellayaboy> Start i havent mounted nothing in fstab in my knowledge..i usually mount iso files to my /mnt using mount -t iso9660 myiso.iso /mnt
[18:49] <varunendra> dwr, thanx ! :D
[18:50] <micahf> hey, i just installed ubuntu 13.04 on an acer w700 tablet... there's all kinds of trouble!
[18:50] <Slart> fellayaboy: try using sshfs instead of iso9660 .. oh and you have to put the address for the networked computer as well.. google "sshfs" for better directions on how the command should look exactly, I don't really remember the specifics
[18:50] <micahf> the touch screen stops working after a few minutes
[18:50] <dwr> my name means lady of the home
[18:51] <fellayaboy> thanks Start
[18:51] <micahf> the included usb keyboard is not detected
[18:51] <micahf> pulse audio crashes after a few minutes
[18:51] <dwr> ok its booted
[18:51] <varunendra> dwr, I didn't think "dwr" could be a name ;)
[18:51] <dwr> Haha, id love to hear you pronounce it.
[18:52] <ryan_12345> Hello it's me again, I've installed Ubuntu and it's taking me stright back to Windows XP BootLoader
[18:52] <dwr> it is my initials
[18:52] <Slart> ryan_12345: no problems during the install? Is this a brand new computer? uefi bios?
[18:53] <varunendra> dwr, I'll try if you wish. Meanwhile, check again "lsmod | grep -e b43 -e wl" [18:53] <dwr> Hey! It works!
[18:53] <dwr> WIFI!!!!
[18:53] <varunendra> dwr, YAY !! :D
[18:53] <dwr> Lovely lovely wifi
[18:53] <dwr> you are my hero!
[18:54] <ryan_12345> no it has Windows XP on a 40GiB HDD
[18:54] <varunendra> dwr, I was about to get you into mess of a complex script... ! You were rescued before the crisis ! ;)
[18:54] <InsaneGene> Guys, I get the GUI crash whenever I open video file, I'm on 12.04 ,I've installed sis671 driver long time ago to fix the resolution problem and the resolution problem is solved but the GUI crashes every time I play videos any help?
[18:54] <dwr> tbh I kinda enjoy the problem solving
[18:54] <dwr> i loved rooting my phones
[18:55] <Slart> ryan_12345: so no grub booting screen when you start the computer? it just goes to windows directly?
[18:55] <Morph4me> varunendra: good call on purging proprietary driver /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf
[18:55] <R0b0t1> Hi, I am trying to apt-get various packages and apt says they are not authenticated?
[18:55] <ryan_12345> Slart: It asks me if I want to select which OS (cause I have 2 HDD
[18:55] <dwr> Yay for varuendra!
[18:55] <wilee-nilee> R0b0t1, you get a key missing?
[18:56] <varunendra> dwr, if you wish to keep using Ubuntu on it, remember - always just install the "linux-firmware-nonfree" package anyhow, and DO NOT install the proprietary driver (wl, aka bcmwl-kernel-source).
[18:56] <varunendra> Morph4me, thanx ! :) Although I suspect it was the 'loaded' state of wl that was more problematic. (causing the freezes)
[18:57] <Morph4me> varunendra, as a side not sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree ...< works
[18:57] <Morph4me> note*
[18:57] <Quest> is there a program for ubuntu that is similar to corel paint ? I need to use it for writing and drawing with my mouse pen tablet?
[18:57] <varunendra> Morph4me, that was my first attempt, but she didn't have a working internet connection.
[18:58] <Morph4me> awe!
[18:58] <Pici> Quest: I've heard good things about krita
[18:58] <dwr> ok im getting off his machine now!
[18:58] <wilee-nilee> R0b0t1, If you are getting the missing key showing run sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys "missing  key"
[18:58] <varunendra> Morph4me, fortunately, that package doesn't have any dependencies. :)
[18:58] <dwr> thank you so much, you fricking genius
[18:58] <Quest> Pici,  hm.
[18:59] <Pici> Quest: It'll probably pull in a bunch of KDE dependencies though.
[18:59] <Morph4me> varunendra you made her day :)
[18:59] <R0b0t1> wilee-nilee: No, I do not get a missing key message
[18:59] <Slart> ryan_12345: ok.. so you do get the grub screen at bootup.. but it won't load the proper os, correct?
[18:59] <R0b0t1> Just says not authed
[18:59] <varunendra> Morph4me, this is actually the first time a bcm4311 took so long !
[19:00] <R0b0t1> wilee-nilee: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" Then prompts for install, default of no.
[19:00] <ryan_12345> Slart: Yes
[19:01] <Morph4me> lol next time check > ls /etc/modprobe.d/* for bcm  ...j/k you stuck with it and got it working for her ...good stuff
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> R0b0t1, Right but does it show something like this "B998019EC07BBEC4" in that notification?
[19:01] <Slart> ryan_12345: I'm not really familiar with the new grub.. there used to be commands to make grub look around on the hard drives for operating systems to boot and configure itself more or less automatically.. but I'm not really sure how to do that with grub 2
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> R0b0t1, best here really is to pastebin the whole sudo apt-get update or installs.
[19:02] <ryan_12345> Slart: right okay
[19:02] <trism> Quest: mypaint is pretty nice
[19:02] <R0b0t1> wilee-nilee: Oh, I had to apt-get update
[19:02] <R0b0t1> thanks
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> Slart, grub legacy did not have a os-prober sudo update-grub is grub 2's os-prober
[19:03] <diverdude> wtf. when i execute eog imagename.png in the terminal, the image is shown....but the image window is not the active window....terminal keeps being that active window....thats insanely annoying...of course i expect the newly opened image to be the active window so, that its the first to be closed when i press F4. Why is it that various linux distribution can never get these little very essential things right!
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> !language | diverdude
[19:04] <diverdude> wilee-nilee, thats not gonna help mate
[19:04] <Slart> wilee-nilee: oh.. must be me glorifying the good old days =)
[19:04] <Slart> ryan_12345: try  sudo update-grub   and see if that makes things better
[19:04] <wilee-nilee> Slart, Heh, I never bothered with grub legacy.
[19:04] <SuperLag> Wow. The Ubuntu Edge looks NICE.
[19:04] <hio> Why does Ubuntu put close button on top left? Do they want to make people kill themselves?
[19:05] <zeokila> SuperLag, I agress, just that 32M is a lot... I hope they get it
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> hio, That can be fixed.
[19:05] <diverdude> hio, ubuntu have many insane "features"...until they stop doing those things...ubuntu will never be number 1
[19:05] <hio> I know, but everytime I reinstall Ubuntu I have to deal with this stuff
[19:05] <fps> will the drivers for the ubuntu edge hardware be completely free?
[19:05] <DJones> !controls | hio
[19:05] <SuperLag> zeokila: assuming you meant "I agree"... I hope they get it too :)
[19:05] <fps> [i.e. free as in libre/open source]
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> hio, Just a minute let me see if I can find that worlds smallest violin. ;)
[19:06] <SuperLag> wilee-nilee: LOL
[19:06] <hio> Thank you, I'm pretty sad so I think I deserve some empathy
[19:06] <zeokila> SuperLag, I agree too x)
[19:06] <SuperLag> hio: haha
[19:06]  * SuperLag breaks out the popcorn
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> hio, You have more than you know. ;)
[19:07] <hio> You are making me feel terrible
[19:07] <hio> Today I got turned down for a job and now this on #ubuntu
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> hio, Was not my intention, your among friends here.
[19:08] <hio> Ok, can you tell me why Unity is so terrible? For example: When I click on an icon to start an application, it does not change state. I have no idea whether the click worked until the application actually is loaded
[19:10] <goddard> i want to patch the ubuntu font where is it located?
[19:10] <hio> for example, when I click on "launchpad", it's like clicking a flat surface. No indication that I just clicked something
[19:11] <SuperLag> hio: My apologies, as well. You are definitely among friends here.
[19:11] <nawk> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[19:11] <nawk> only few hours in and almost $1M raised
[19:11] <fps> hio: i have no answer for your question as i avoid unity like the plague, but i want to say that the best way to get answers is probably by not bashing the project as a preamble
[19:11] <fps> :D
[19:12] <hio> fps, that's really hard
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> nawk, Can I interest you in #ubuntu-touch
[19:13] <johnsmith> I have a quick question. When you install an exe program on ubuntu with wine, where do the program files go?
[19:13] <hio> .wine
[19:13] <hio> in home
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> johnsmith, somewhere in the wine folder I believe
[19:13] <DYSW> then C:/ etc inside there
[19:13] <SuperLag> fps++
[19:13] <SuperLag> hio: he's right
[19:14] <hio> SuperLag, but I can't find anyone who likes Unity
[19:14] <fps> SuperLag: i prefer the preincrement operator
[19:14] <johnsmith> Okay, thanks.
[19:14] <SuperLag> hio: I didn't like it at first, but it's waaaaaaaaaaay better now than it was initially
[19:15] <hio> but have you compared it to Gnome? I mean, there's no contest really
[19:15] <wilee-nilee> I liked it better with the CUBE
[19:15] <bazhang> !ot | hio
[19:15] <bazhang> lets get back to ubuntu support
[19:15] <sethj> Does anyone know where I can find 'qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin' and the like for Precise?
[19:17] <wilee-nilee> sethj, I'm in raring but see it in synaptic.
[19:17] <bazhang> !find qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin precise
[19:18] <sethj> bazhang, yeah I know that.
[19:19] <sethj> wilee-nilee, Let me look.. I'm afraid I'll have to download the raring version and hope for the best dependency wise >.<
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> sethj, I'm looking for a deb right now
[19:20] <SuperLag> fps: why
[19:20] <SuperLag> ?
[19:20] <fps> SuperLag: oh in c++ the preincrement operator might be non trivially overloaded
[19:21] <mengesb> someone able to help with a "xen dom0 mem directive being ignored" problem? I installed xen-hypervisor-amd64 and xcp-xapi packages, but it seems that dom0_mem= directives are being completely ignored and I have a dom0 with <2g memory
[19:21] <fps> and in that case it's more efficient than the postincrement
[19:22] <fps> so i have made it a habit to use ++foo, instead of foo++
[19:22] <fps> also it's more clear and less confusing..
[19:22] <fps> aside from the fact that it seems that ALL textbooks prefer foo++ ;D
[19:22] <fps> for no good reason at all
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> sethj, http://askubuntu.com/questions/236012/cant-install-qt-components-ubuntu-because-im-using-full-release-of-qt-5-0-0
[19:23] <fps> e.g. in a for loop: for (size_t index = 0; index < some_size; index++)
[19:23] <mengesb> Odd, in math, one doesn't seem to care if its "add one to var" or "var plus one".... addition doesn't have a n order of operations importance =/
[19:23] <fps> int i = 0;
[19:23] <fps> std::cout << i++;
[19:23] <fps> vs.
[19:23] <fps> std::cout << ++i;
[19:23] <fps> prints two different things..
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> mmmm algebra
[19:23] <fps> mengesb: well, yes, simple functions like additions in maths don't have state..
[19:24] <ianorlin> yes they do different things
[19:25] <sethj> wilee-nilee, I don't necessarily see how that applies.. unless you think installing the Qt sdk will get me those libs..
[19:25] <mengesb> where ever the ++ lands, means |this side|var = do op on var, then run; var|this side| = loop execution then op; makes sense to me
[19:25] <reisio> maths!
[19:25] <mengesb> <-- believes only in var++ syntax
[19:25] <fps> mengesb: why?
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> sethj, May not be just trying to help.
[19:25] <mengesb> because you want to execute on the known
[19:26] <fps> ??
[19:26] <sethj> wilee-nilee, Ah, ok. Well I might do that as a last resort.. Thanks :)
[19:26] <fps> i could not parse that sentence
[19:26] <mengesb> setting a var, then executing math on something you just set while defining a loop is somewhat idiotic
[19:26] <reisio> luckily you don't have to pick only one approach
[19:26] <wilee-nilee> no prob
[19:26] <reisio> as there are many
[19:27] <fps> mengesb: well, c++ 11 has for (auto i : mycontainer) { /* do something with i */ }
[19:27] <mengesb> for ( i = val ; val |op| value ; val|operation| ) is predictable - since you initiate on i = val, not i = (val++)
[19:27] <fps> mengesb: kinda like in java. noone should have to declare integer variables just to iterate over a colletion
[19:28] <fps> mengesb: i still don't get your reasoning.. also your pseudocode syntax is strange..
[19:28] <bazhang> fps, how does this relate to ubuntu support
[19:28] <axisys> what is that tool to diff between directories starting with letter `m' ? I forgot.. anyone can help remember?
[19:28] <mengesb> what I've found is that people who use ++var want indexes of 1, and those who operate with var++ are those who can handle counting from zero
[19:28] <reisio> axisys: meld
[19:28] <fps> mengesb: no..
[19:29] <jrib> axisys: huh?
[19:29] <axisys> reisio: bingo! thanks a lot
[19:29] <fps> mengesb: anyways, we're drifting off topic
[19:29] <bazhang> fps mengesb please take the chat elsewhere
[19:29] <reisio> being able to count from zero and needing or wanting to are different things :)
[19:29] <fps> redundant bazhang is redundant
[19:29] <jrib> axisys: oh.  I read your question as a toll that: differentiates between directories starting with the letter 'm' and was very confused.
[19:29] <jrib> s/toll/tool
[19:29] <mengesb> bazhang: I'm still awaiting someone to help with a dom0_mem directive in grub being ignored
[19:30] <axisys> jrib: lol
[19:30] <Curiousness> hello
[19:30] <axisys> jrib: should have phrases it differently
[19:30] <axisys> prased*
[19:30] <reisio> 'lo Curiousness
[19:30] <axisys> phrased*
[19:31] <Curiousness> i want to know everything about linux... lol
[19:32] <reisio> Curiousness: start with this: Linux is a kernel, GNU/Linux is an OS, a clone of another OS: Unix
[19:32] <axisys> reisio: I forget this name a lot.. wish it named something else with the word diff in it
[19:32] <Curiousness> what is a kernal?
[19:32] <reisio> axisys: help alias
[19:32] <reisio> Curiousness: exactly
[19:33] <reisio> Curiousness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computing%29
[19:33] <axisys> reisio: right.. doing it now
[19:34] <JLUC> hello people
[19:34] <reisio> 'lo JLUC
[19:34] <Curiousness> what is the difference between unix and linux
[19:35] <neekz0r> Curiousness: methodology, licesning, and philosophy
[19:35] <reisio> Curiousness: Unix is an OS, Linux is a kernel
[19:35] <reisio> also licensing
[19:35] <Curiousness> so UNIX is like ubuntu?
[19:35] <JLUC> i have a big big issue with my computer's keyboard and i want Ubuntu to stop listening to it : how can i do ?
[19:35] <reisio> Curiousness: Ubuntu is like Unix, more like
[19:36] <reisio> JLUC: xinput
[19:36] <Guest93986> #part
[19:36] <wizrd> Curiousness: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Linux_vs_Unix
[19:36] <Curiousness> thnx
[19:36] <varunendra> !linux | Curiousness this may be a good starting point for you
[19:36] <neekz0r> Curiousness: what reisio said.. but there are a lot of differences.. think about it kind of like horses and zebras
[19:37] <reisio> zebras live in africa
[19:37] <reisio> horses live in montana
[19:37] <Curiousness> lol thnx for all the help everyone...
[19:37] <neekz0r> but if you don't know any better, you'd say they are the same except for the colors
[19:37] <reisio> because they are mostly the same
[19:38] <JLUC> thanks reisio - is there a very easy way to switch it off without exploring (because it keeps typing az-s much faster than me)
[19:38] <reisio> unplug it
[19:38] <JLUC> its a laptop and as far as i know i cannot unplug it
[19:38] <reisio> ah
[19:39] <JLUC> i've taken the faulty keys off but no effecty
[19:39] <reisio> can you ssh into it?
[19:39] <JLUC> ssh from another computer on the local network ?
[19:39] <reisio> xinput list will give you the id #, then you can do xinput set-prop idHere 'Device Enabled' 0
[19:39] <reisio> JLUC: yeah
[19:40] <JLUC> i'm very bad with network managing and i have no other linux machine there
[19:41] <JLUC> then maybe i should install lubuntu on another
[19:41] <JLUC> machine
[19:41] <reisio> you can ssh from any OS
[19:42] <reisio> JLUC: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe
[19:42] <JLUC> oh i remember having used putty
[19:42] <reisio> yes, yes you do :)
[19:42] <testusu> Ubuntu Edge has reached one million! http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[19:42] <reisio> one of many ssh clients you can use on Windows
[19:42] <reisio> testusu: yeah? What is it?
[19:42] <JLUC> does it require something on the faulty computer i want to connect to ?
[19:43] <reisio> JLUC: sshd needs to be running
[19:43] <testusu> reisio: "smartphone and desktop PC in one state-of-the-art device"
[19:43] <reisio> sudo service ssh start or something like that
[19:43] <reisio> testusu: so it's a device?
[19:43] <testusu> reisio: Yeah.
[19:44] <JLUC> ok i can try to launch that command line, but does it require to create some ssh key too ?
[19:44] <JLUC> i think there is some local ssh key there allready - i was requested it for some git access
[19:44] <testusu> reisio: Well, it might be a device in the future. It's getting crowdfunded right now.
[19:45] <reisio> JLUC: it shouldn't require it
[19:45] <reisio> JLUC: keys are nice, but you can use simple passwords, too
[19:45] <Curiousness> idk if something is wrong with my wifi detector thingy or my OS but if i have my laptop run for awhile the wifi connection will drop and will not reconnect until i restart it
[19:45] <reisio> you can get to that later after you disable the keyboard
[19:46] <JLUC> thank you for your answers reisio
[19:46] <JLUC> i will probably have some more questions when i go into that ssh solution
[19:49] <reisio> testusu: wow, these are going to be expensive
[19:49] <dkpi> And $1,000,000 for ubuntu edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=gallery
[19:49] <Elfon> is real?
[19:51] <reisio> 33 million in five weeks?
[19:51] <reisio> that'd be impressive
[19:51] <Curiousness> idk if something is wrong with my wifi detector thingy or my OS but if i have my laptop run for awhile the wifi connection will drop and will not reconnect until i restart it
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> Curiousness, Can you post the card?
[19:52] <Curiousness> whats that..and how?
[19:52] <wilee-nilee> Curiousness, run lspci in the terminal and look for it if it's internal.
[19:52] <Curiousness> ok
[19:53] <Curiousness> Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)  is this it?
[19:53] <sethj> wilee-nilee, I just downloaded it from packages.ubuntu.com and after a little dependency haggling it installed just find \o/
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> sethj, Groovy, ;)
[19:55] <Curiousness> Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)  is this it?
[19:56] <Curiousness> should i do this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/245826/network-card-atheros-problem-ubuntu-12-10
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> Curiousness, Thats it take a looksie through here. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=+AR9485+  I se you found one.
[19:57] <Curiousness> so do as that guy says?
[19:57] <tdao> hi all.  ive installed a raid array in my home server.  dmraid shows 3 disks but no array.  in my bios the array shows functional.  any direction would be helpful and appreciated.  the forums are down still from being hacked :P
[19:58] <wilee-nilee> Curiousness, Not sure myself, I was just trying to get the info needed on the channel for general help.
[19:59] <varunendra> Curiousness, do you currently have a connection somehow? (cable, usb modem etc.)
[19:59] <Curiousness> right now i have a connection thru wifi
[20:00] <varunendra> Curiousness, please show us the output of "lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net" . Paste the output to pastebin and give us its link
[20:00] <varunendra> !pastebin | Curiousness
[20:00] <Curiousness> ok
[20:02] <Curiousness> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5901716/
[20:04] <hio> hi
[20:05] <varunendra> Curiousness, try the solution in the askubuntu link you found : http://askubuntu.com/questions/245826/network-card-atheros-problem-ubuntu-12-10
[20:05] <Curiousness> ok so how do i do that in the terminal?
[20:06] <Gugoies> Hello i am running Ubuntu 10.04 32bit and i am trying to allow my root account to connect to a system but it refuses i have already used passwd and look in the sshd file any help will be apperticheded
[20:07] <JLuc> as for now i can use kbd
[20:07] <varunendra> Curiousness, try this : echo "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
[20:08] <JLuc> xinput output is here reisio : http://ubuntu.pastebin.fr/18079  -  what should i type now to stop kbd ?
[20:08] <JLuc> no
[20:08] <JLuc> yes : xinput output is here reisio : http://ubuntu.pastebin.fr/28079  -  what should i type now to stop kbd ?
[20:09] <varunendra> Curiousness, the above will create the .conf file with the option in it. Afterwards, do - "sudo modprobe -rfv ath9k" (this will disable the wifi, so you'll get disconnected). Then -- "sudo modprobe -v ath9k". It will load the driver again with that parameter.
[20:09] <Curiousness> ok thanks
[20:09] <varunendra> np :)
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> Gugoies, This a server?
[20:11] <Gugoies> wilee-nilee: yes but not an important one i am just playing around withe ubuntu to learn the it better
[20:11] <Gugoies> so i set this task for me :)
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> Gugoies, Cool, there is also the #ubuntu-server channel if needed.
[20:12] <Gugoies> aww awesome
[20:12] <Gugoies> i'll join that!
[20:12] <Gugoies> thanks a lot
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> no prob
[20:12] <Gugoies> i love linux :D
[20:12] <Gugoies> i also started learning python
[20:13] <caologia> alalla
[20:13] <caologia> using irc after a loooong time
[20:14] <JLuc> i'd say xinput --float 13 reisio ... would that require to be done each time i switch computer on or is it definitively "floated" ?
[20:14] <reisio> JLuc: it's easy enough to run each time X starts if necessary
[20:15] <JLuc> yes, as long as the kbd leaves me this ability :-/
[20:16] <theupside> can someone help me install a driver for my modem.   I'd like to send faxes with my unbuntu machine.  I believe I have a Conexant_0x14f12c06 modem based on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/ScanModem
[20:17] <reisio> faxes? :/
[20:17] <theupside> i know huh
[20:17] <reisio> what is this, the 19th century?
[20:17] <theupside> haha
[20:17] <JLuc> it works - good !
[20:18] <JLuc> and now i can play dices with all these little keys that cripple my table
[20:18] <JLuc> thanks a lot reisio !!!
[20:18] <reisio> :D
[20:19] <reisio> theupside: seriously, 167-year-old technology
[20:19] <theupside> i know i know
[20:19] <bekks> !notworking > bekks
[20:19] <theupside> ha
[20:19] <vader> I just bought an Ubuntu Edge (hopefully) Thanks for posting that link... who ever that was :)
[20:19] <JLuc> it reminds me when soldiers had to be amputated of a leg so as to be saved
[20:19] <reisio> vader: does that buy you one, or only the potential of buying one?
[20:19] <theupside> well if you can muster up the help i would appreciate it
[20:20] <reisio> JLuc: still happens a lot, of course
[20:20] <reisio> prosthetics business booms in war time
[20:21] <vader> reisio: If they meet thier $32m goal it will. If not i get a refund.
[20:21] <reisio> interesting
[20:21] <reisio> vader: how much was it?
[20:21] <vader> $600
[20:22] <vader> One day offer at that price point. The deal expires tomorrow.
 testusu: wow, these are going to be expensive
[20:22] <reisio> proved right again :p
[20:22] <reisio> probably because if they don't get donation momentum early on, they have a lower chance of making the goal
[20:22] <JLuc> tomorrow or one day afer the thing exists ?
[20:23] <theupside> anything???
[20:23] <goddard> what program does nautilus use to mount server drives?
[20:24] <goddard> sshfs isn't installed and neither is fuse
[20:24] <k1l_> goddard: gfvs ?
[20:24] <theupside> man tough crowd or is this normal treatment in the #ubuntu room
[20:24] <reisio> theupside: looking for anything?
[20:24] <k1l_> goddard: or samba. dont know which typ of server
[20:24] <theupside> yes reisio
[20:24] <reisio> or nfs
[20:25] <theupside> help with my modem
[20:25] <reisio> theupside: I've got some coffee
[20:25] <Gugoies> are pyton better for script then bash (newb here)
[20:25] <reisio> oops, no it's gone now
[20:25] <reisio> Gugoies: depends on the application, and programmer
[20:25] <IdleOne> theupside: if noone is around who knows the answer, noone will answer
[20:25] <Gugoies> what do you use ?
[20:25] <reisio> Gugoies: fundamentally either can do what the other does, in the end
[20:25] <Gugoies> ok
[20:26] <reisio> Gugoies: I use bash for simple things and python for less simple things / things other people will be involved with
[20:26] <Gugoies> i just feel more motivateted to learn python
[20:26] <goddard> k1l_: know where it mounts those drives?
[20:27] <goddard> k1l_: its sftp
[20:27] <reisio> 'mount' knows
[20:27] <RoflWaffle17> Hello
[20:27] <reisio> 'lo
[20:27] <theupside> or don't want to answer.... one would think the linux (ubuntu) community would be welcoming new comers
[20:28] <reisio> mmm, welcoming and knowing things, kinda different :)
[20:28] <theupside> maybe so
[20:28] <goddard> reisio: excellent
[20:28] <RoflWaffle17> Can someone help me? I keep getting an error upon start up (I'm using VMware Workstation with version 12.04) Saying "Could not apply stored configuration for monitors.monitor
[20:29] <goddard> reisio: it is mounted in a odd place
[20:29] <RoflWaffle17> I know this is a known problem...but seeing as the ubuntuforums.org is down...I didn't know where to turn :D
[20:29] <goddard> reisio: is that an ubuntu choice
[20:29] <reisio> goddard: depends, where's it mounted?
[20:29] <goddard> /run/user/username/gvfs/
[20:29] <RoflWaffle17> I don't believe so. I haven't changed any of the mounting locations....
[20:29] <reisio> RoflWaffle17: VirtualBox is a saner choice
[20:30] <reisio> goddard: that's probably a gvfs thing, on any distro
[20:30] <goddard> ahh
[20:30] <reisio> any distro that uses gvfs :) which is probably most
[20:31] <RoflWaffle17> I updated my nvidia drivers and everyting.
[20:31] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, what's going on?
[20:31] <RoflWaffle17> The weird thing is it just started happening last night....I've had this VM for about 2 weeks.
[20:32] <RoflWaffle17> So I don't know what went wrong and when it went wrong :(
[20:32] <DreamPCs> I have a question. Is there a relatively simply way to implement a duress password? A password that can be entered under duress to present a fake or decoy user account?
[20:32] <reisio> DreamPCs: while still showing your ordinary user at login?
[20:33] <DreamPCs> Exactly
[20:33] <reisio> DreamPCs: it'd be simpler, I believe, to just disable the user name showing at login, and have an entirely fake user+pass
[20:33] <rodrigograca31> I'm back :)
[20:33] <wilee-nilee> run for the hills
[20:33] <DreamPCs> I thought of that reisio and I think that may be the route I go. I was just hoping to be able to use the same account name to help thwart suspicion.
[20:34] <reisio> DreamPCs: yeah
[20:34] <rodrigograca31> I heard now that Ubuntu Forum was hacked.... :(
[20:34] <RoflWaffle17> Do you have any suggestions, Reisio?
[20:34] <DuncanNZ> rodrigograca31: yep..
[20:34] <reisio> DreamPCs: some encouraging stuff here: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22linux%22%20%22duress%20password%22
[20:34] <reisio> RoflWaffle17: besides choosing a proprietary vm system?
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> DreamPCs, YOurs or anothers?
[20:35] <reisio> rodrigograca31: hacked is a strong word
[20:35] <reisio> rodrigograca31: it was compromised
[20:35] <rodrigograca31> reisio: yes....
[20:35] <reisio> probably by someone who knew about a known exploit to vbulletin, but that is conjecture on my part
[20:35] <DreamPCs> Thanks, reisio, I read most of those links and it looks like the easiest way would be to use something like truecrypt to have a hidden volume.
[20:35] <DreamPCs> A wilee-nilee I'm sorry I don't understand your question.
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> thwart suspicion
[20:36] <Skaag> can I change individual colors in a theme? like the background color of an inactive tab?
[20:36] <dlpenguinlover> RoflWaffle17: You might need to reinstall VMWare tools as your graphics card (i assume you tried installing your nvidia drivers) is totally seperate from the VM. I'm not sure how to do that though as all of my ubuntu vm's are in virtualbox.
[20:36] <rodrigograca31> reisio: i jsut heard it some minutes ago, i need to read some articles about it :)
[20:36] <DreamPCs> Not my own suspicion, but other's suspicion if I'm forced to login under duress.
[20:36] <reisio> DreamPCs: well, that's for data more than just login
[20:36] <rodrigograca31> reisio: yes they said it was a vbulletin vuln :(
[20:36] <reisio> rodrigograca31: did they? Where?
[20:36] <Curiousness> where can i go to completly understand all the files and things on my computer directory for ubuntu os?
[20:37] <wilee-nilee> DreamPCs, Really you married? ;)
[20:37] <m_> milat
[20:37] <m_> hello
[20:37] <DreamPCs> I am, lol. I'm just a stickler for security.
[20:37] <reisio> Curiousness: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy.html
[20:37] <DWSR> DreamPCs: Have you tried TrueCrypt?
[20:37] <reisio> truecrypt isn't really what I'd use for encryption on a Unix system
[20:37] <DreamPCs> In the wake of all the recent (and not so recent) stuff going on in this country, I rather know I'm the only one with access to my data.
[20:38] <reisio> there are other ways to get dummy passwords
[20:38] <rodrigograca31> reisio: by "they" i mean the podcast i'm hearing and zdnet: http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-forums-hacked-1-82m-logins-email-addresses-stolen-7000018336/
[20:38] <DreamPCs> And DWSR I dabbled with it years ago but I'm by no means experienced with it.
[20:38] <m_> hello is there any girl
[20:38] <m_> ??
[20:38] <DreamPCs> lol a/s/l rofl
[20:38] <Pici> m_: This is a support channel, not a dating service.
[20:38] <bekks> m_: That doesnt matter in an ubuntu support channel.
[20:38] <reisio> rodrigograca31: does the podcast have someone involved on it, or are they just conjecturing?
[20:38] <reisio> m_: #girls
[20:39] <m_> ok do U know how to be incognito in web ???!!!
[20:39] <rodrigograca31> reisio: what kind of encryption (if any) vbullein uses?
[20:39] <DreamPCs> m_: Yes...
[20:40] <rodrigograca31> reisio: its a "linux news podcast"
[20:40] <DreamPCs> Something strange about that m_ character...
[20:40] <reisio> I doubt encryption was the issue
[20:40] <reisio> rodrigograca31: so you don't know :p
[20:40] <DreamPCs> Fortunately the passwords were protected by a salted hash but I believe user name and email addresses were plain text.
[20:41] <DreamPCs> That's one reason why I like to use gmail aliases.
[20:41] <rodrigograca31>  reisio: what kind of encryption (if any) vbullein uses?
[20:42] <reisio> DreamPCs: https://code.google.com/p/confused/source/browse/trunk/pam_confused/pam_confused.py?r=2 looks more like what you want
[20:42] <reisio> as you're likely already using PAM
[20:42] <DreamPCs> rodrigograca31: I literally copied and pasted your question into google and clicked the first link.
[20:42] <DreamPCs> http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-4/vbulletin-impex-import-system/216632-vbulletin-password-encryption
[20:42] <DreamPCs> reisio: Thanks, checking it out now.
[20:43] <reisio> DreamPCs: there's this other one, too, dunno what it uses: http://hg.ausiv.com/tedd
[20:43] <reisio> looks more complex, which could be either good or bad
[20:44] <rodrigograca31> DreamPCs: vbulletin uses MD5?
[20:44] <DreamPCs> Checking that out too, thanks.
[20:46] <reisio> rodrigograca31: if you haven't been using the same password on ubuntuforums.org for other things, you have nothing to worry about
[20:46] <RoflWaffle17> Reisio: have you any suggestions for my issue? I can't seem to figure it out for the life of me as I am relatively new to ubuntu/linux in genera,l.
[20:49] <reisio> RoflWaffle17: what's your issue?
[20:49] <dossah> start up trouble
[20:49] <RoflWaffle17> Every time at start up on my desktop I get the error of "Could not apply the stored config for monitors"
[20:50] <reisio> oh right
[20:50] <reisio> talk to #vmware
[20:50] <RoflWaffle17> I have had this VM for about a week, week and a half. And it just started doing it.
[20:50] <rodrigograca31> reisio: i know that...
[20:50] <reisio> rodrigograca31: good
[20:51] <rodrigograca31> reisio: but if they are using MD5 ..... the passwords will be decrypted very fast.... :(
[20:51] <dossah> I've installed Ubuntu 13.04 and evry time on startup my keyboard is disable. And this message appears "kvm disabled by the bios"
[20:51] <bekks> Passwords arent encrypted using MD5. MD5 is just a hash.
[20:54] <zykotick9> dossah: i'd guess, that's a kernel warning saying virtualization is disabled in bios... (or do you also have a KVM keyboard video mouse?)
[20:54] <SuperLag> RoflWaffle17: I have encountered that issue as well. I've never figured out a fix. :(
[20:54] <raymond_> I don't recall MD5 being reversible; the issue iirc was with collisions.
[20:54] <dossah> ok i see
[20:54] <Guest48540> καλησπέρα!
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> !ru
[20:55] <bekks> !gr | Guest48540
[20:55] <fuzzyBunny> i'm running 12.04 LTS and i'm having trouble with my flashplayer constantly crashing. On the flash website it says im running 11.2 but in my addons page it says im running 2 different versions of flash 11.2 and 12.1. If I try to disable either one flash does not work at all. Any suggestions?
[20:56] <garth_> I need help getting my Epson Stylus NX330 scanner to work (the printer part works fine).  I have installed the core and data package iscan-data_1.23.0-1_all.deb and iscan_2.29.1-5~usb0.1.ltdl7_i386.deb.  I also installed the network package iscan-network-nt_1.1.0-2_i386.deb.  Still simple scan says it can not scan, and locks up the printer when I try.
[20:56] <wilee-nilee> fuzzyBunny, there is no 12.1 are you sure?
[20:58] <fuzzyBunny> Yeah I'm at the Firefox Addons Page and the title of the version says Shockwave Flash 12.1 r720, maybe that's different than my flash player though for watching videos and such?
[21:00] <usr13> fuzzyBunny: 11.2 is what you should have. See: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?&utsm=0350d39669c347c
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> fuzzyBunny, you been to github lightspark sound familiar?
[21:00] <usr13> fuzzyBunny: And it's not in the Addons Page
[21:01] <fuzzyBunny> Well I have that also yes.
[21:01] <rodrigograca31> bekks: by encrypted i meain hashed or what "you" want to call it :)
[21:01] <bekks> rodrigograca31: hashing is totally different from encrypting. And because of the difference, you cannot decrypt a MD5 hash.
[21:02] <fuzzyBunny> Yea I did try lightspark it didn't seem to work so well. My best thought was reverting to an old stable version but I can't seem to find one. So I would be grateful for a link to an old version, however, if there is another way to fix the problem I would be fine with that also.
[21:02] <fuzzyBunny> An old stable version of flashplayer
[21:03] <reisio> fuzzyBunny: it says you have two versions of Flash?
[21:03] <reisio> might be time to backup your profile directory and make a fresh one
[21:04] <todayman> I'm having trouble preseeding a RAID configuration.  I think (but am not sure) that the installer runs partman-auto-raid trying to create the RAID array before the disks that I want to use are detected / up.  Does this sound plausible?
[21:04] <keithzg> Hmmm no specific mentions on the Ubuntu Edge campaign page about the 3G frequencies supported. That's less than encouraging.
[21:04] <rodrigograca31> bekks: yes i also knwo that..... and when you say "you cannot"...... yes we can't but.... you know.... MD5 can be "brute forced" you probabli know that.....
[21:04] <fuzzyBunny> reisio: yea it's weird
[21:05] <bekks> rodrigograca31: Your . key is defective.
[21:06] <jrib> rodrigograca31: it's a salted md5 hash (so rainbow tables shouldn't be feasible)
[21:07] <usr13> fuzzyBunny: Does it say "Showckwave Flash 11.2" ?
[21:08] <rodrigograca31> jrib: i'm not talking about raindow tables (nobody uses that anymore....)
[21:08] <rodrigograca31> the salt is stored somewhere.... so they have it....
[21:08] <jrib> rodrigograca31: yes, of course.
[21:09] <AlcoLeVecchiPens> hi guys, what do u think about ubuntu edge?
[21:10] <fuzzyBunny> usr13: yes it does "Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202" exactly
[21:10] <jrib> !ot | AlcoLeVecchiPens
[21:10] <AlcoLeVecchiPens> ok i'm sorry
[21:11] <geri> hi how can i resolve this issue: failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com .... ?
[21:11] <gordonjcp> geri: fix your network connection
[21:12] <geri> gordonjcp: i can ping google.com
[21:12] <geri> and added the proxy is apt.conf
[21:12] <geri> in
[21:12] <gordonjcp> can you ping the repositories?
[21:12] <geri> yes
[21:12] <gordonjcp> is the proxy working correctly?
[21:14] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, anyone know how I can make my unity dash fullscreen?
[21:14] <geri> gordonjcp: yes
[21:14] <DreamPCs> I can't seem to find the link with the instructions.
[21:14] <DreamPCs> Nevermind I just found out.
[21:15] <DreamPCs> Thanks anyway.
[21:15] <geri> gordonjcp: should i be able to ping the http proxy?
[21:15] <HelloWorld321> how do I get gedit to exit always-on-top mode?
[21:15] <raymond_> rodrigograca31, the salt renders the rainbow tables useless.  They would have to regenerate the rainbow tables with the salt.
[21:15] <reisio> HelloWorld321: right-click on the top bar?
[21:16] <brontosaurusrex> HelloWorld321, what DE/WM?
[21:16] <HelloWorld321> that's it.  tx reisio
[21:16] <rodrigograca31> raymond_: as i said... i knwo that and nobody uses rainbow tables anymore......
[21:16] <HelloWorld321> (the default de/wm, I guess that's unity)
[21:16] <geri> gordonjcp: should i be able to ping the http proxy?
[21:16] <reisio> you can still use them for data that non-serious people generated :p
[21:17] <rodrigograca31> raymond_: even with pure MD5 would be faster without rainbow tables.....
[21:17] <gordonjcp> geri: yes
[21:18] <anonee> hello ubuntu! quick question: when I navigate to /usr/share/applications I can't see *.desktop files, even if I Ctrl+H, but they are listed in terminal... why?
[21:18] <savagejen> Hey, so... if I have a touch screen laptop, what would happen if I enabled this PPA? https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa
[21:18] <savagejen> :D
[21:19] <reisio> anonee: sounds like a bug to me, but probably one implemented on purpose
[21:19] <geri> gordonjcp: i can ping it via ip
[21:19] <geri> hm
[21:19] <reisio> savagejen: then you'd be able to install package from it
[21:19] <gordonjcp> geri: and can you ping the repos from the proxy?
[21:20] <savagejen> reisio, yes, but I mean, can I use any of the ubuntu tablet interfaces on my laptop
[21:20] <reisio> savagejen: I don't see why not
[21:20] <anonee> reisio: why do you think so?
[21:22] <anonee> reisio I mean about being implemented on purpose...
[21:22] <reisio> anonee: because hidden files start with periods, so someone made the conscious decision to hide .desktop files, and hide them well
[21:22] <reisio> they didn't just say 'treat as hidden', they said 'hide always'
[21:22] <geri> gordonjcp: i entered this in apt.conf http://codepaste.net/hxhfeo
[21:22] <anonee> reisio then it's not a bug?
[21:23] <gordonjcp> geri: try just http://
[21:23] <geri> how?
[21:23] <gordonjcp> geri: also I take it that is an anonymised domain name?
[21:23] <geri> gordonjcp: yes...why?
[21:24] <gordonjcp> geri: just wondering
[21:24] <anonee> reisio but it's still weird, because hidden files are not displayed in terminal unless you ls -a, but these are listed without the -a
[21:24] <geri> gordonjcp: still not found :(
[21:24] <reisio> anonee: a bug is anything that's imperfect, not just things that are accidental :p
[21:24] <gordonjcp> geri: sometimes people pastebin stuff that has example URLs in, and they actually literally have "blah.example.com" in their config ;-)
[21:24] <reisio> anonee: probably GNOME 3 upstream said "hey let's hide all dem files"
[21:24] <reisio> GNOME likes to hide things
[21:25] <geri> gordonjcp: sure but whats the problem now?
[21:25] <HelloWorld321> savagejen: it sounds like you've asked a theoretical question, and everybody agrees with you, but you'll have to report back and tell us how it turned out.
[21:26] <gordonjcp> geri: no idea
[21:27] <andres__> hola?
[21:27] <gordonjcp> geri: does it work without the proxy?
[21:27] <geri> gordonjcp: damm
[21:27] <geri> no
[21:27] <gordonjcp> geri: okay, maybe that repo is hosed
[21:27] <gordonjcp> can you browse to it?
[21:27] <geri> i cant connect to archive.ubuntu.com
[21:28] <geri> 0% (connecting archieve.ubuntu.com ...
[21:28] <geri> gordonjcp: when i run without a proxy: 0% (connecting archieve.ubuntu.com ...
[21:29] <gordonjcp> "archieve" ?
[21:29] <gordonjcp> is that really what it says or did you fat-finger it?
[21:29] <reisio> andres__: hi
[21:29] <geri> gordonjcp: thats the default thing...
[21:29] <reisio> probably big boned it
[21:29] <geri> gordonjcp: archive.ubuntu.com
[21:29] <gordonjcp> right
[21:30] <gordonjcp> geri: in your browser, can you see archive.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <geri> when i enter the proxy it says not found
[21:32] <wingnut2626> how do i decrypt my encrypted home folder on another machine when I have the old harddrive installed on it?
[21:32] <Albert-> Hello!
[21:32] <gordonjcp> geri: okay, so that's probably part of your problem
[21:32] <reisio> wingnut2626: not for nothing: http://www.google.com/search?q=how%20do%20i%20decrypt%20my%20encrypted%20home%20folder%20on%20another%20machine%20when%20I%20have%20the%20old%20harddrive%20installed%20on%20it%3F
[21:33] <gordonjcp> geri: forgetting all about proxies for now, can you visit archive.ubuntu.com in a web browser?
[21:33] <reisio> Albert-: hi
[21:33] <Albert-> how can i install sublime text editor on ubuntu?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> Albert-,  the webupd8 and omgubuntu blog sites have guides on that.
[21:33] <gordonjcp> Albert-: is it packaged in apt?
[21:33] <reisio> Albert-: http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2
[21:33] <aharoni> exit
[21:33] <Albert-> Dr_willis: yeah, I've read that, but I need to install the latest version. :(
[21:34] <Dr_willis> perhaps ask the sublime devs to make a proper .deb package.
[21:34] <Albert-> gordonjcp: i don't think so
[21:34] <geri> gordonjcp: i can ping it
[21:34] <geri> i dont have a browser here
[21:34] <gordonjcp> geri: I can't help you any more because you're not doing what I ask
[21:34] <geri> or whats the default browser which comes with ubuntu?
[21:34] <Dr_willis> dint really see how the latest version should differ from the older versions. use the newer dwnloads from their site
[21:34] <andres__> ALGUIEN Q HABLE ESPAÑOL?
[21:34] <geri> or whats the default browser which comes with ubuntu?
[21:35] <gordonjcp> !es | andres__
[21:35] <gordonjcp> geri: firefox
[21:35] <Albert-> Dr_willis: there's not much difference, but it shows an annoying popup saying Latest version is available... I was trying to turn that off
[21:35] <geri> gordonjcp: not installed here
[21:36] <geri> i have ubuntu 11.04
[21:36] <rodrigograca31> andres__: me?
[21:36] <gordonjcp> geri: are you on Ubuntu server, or something?
[21:37] <geri> gordonjcp: yes, no gui installed here
[21:37] <geri> how can i start the default browser using in xterm>
[21:37] <geri> ?
[21:39] <andres__> join #ubuntu-es
[21:39] <rodrigograca31> anyone here using irssi?
[21:39] <rodrigograca31> andres__: Hola!
[21:39] <gordonjcp> geri: hm, I don't know what more to suggest then
[21:39] <gordonjcp> geri: it sounds like you're struggling to get web access somehow
[21:40] <gordonjcp> rodrigograca31: lots of people, I suspect
[21:40] <CaptainPackard> Yo I already asked in #ubuntu-us, but do you guys do help here too?
[21:40] <geri> gordonjcp: no why?
[21:41] <Albert-> whoa
[21:41] <rodrigograca31> gordonjcp: yes... but i wanted to talk with someone that is using irssi....
[21:41] <Albert-> https://github.com/TCattd/sublime-text-bash-installer - this did the job
[21:41] <Albert-> thanks guys
[21:41] <scx> do you have this packages installed: gnu-fdisk, util-linux?
[21:42] <rodrigograca31> gordonjcp: or i will use /join irssi .....
[21:42] <gordonjcp> rodrigograca31: lots of people are using irssi
[21:42] <gordonjcp> rodrigograca31: why not ask your question, and see if anyone answers?
[21:43] <rodrigograca31> i can do that but i thought that would not be "the best place" to do it....
[21:43] <k1l_> !ot | rodrigograca31
[21:44] <err-or> rodrigograca31: so you asked 10 times if anyone is using irssi instead of asking your question once?
[21:45] <Strabo> Hello... anyone available to help with  mounting problems?
[21:45] <err-or> Strabo: what do you want to mount?
[21:45] <rodrigograca31> Ok, i want to know how to show the people on the channel on the right side....?
[21:45] <rodrigograca31> (on irssi)
[21:46] <Strabo> My ext3 and ext4 partitions used to auto-mount, and now they've stopped
[21:46] <scx> k1l_: is gnu-fdisk or  util-linux installed by default?
[21:47] <Strabo> I should add, I am using kubuntu, not ubuntu, but noone is answering me on the kubuntu channel
[21:47] <scx> Strabo: check /etc/fstab
[21:48] <Strabo> It doesn't show the partitions. Is there a way of rebuilding the fstab file, rather than manually editing it?
[21:48] <brontosaurusrex> Strabo, anything interesting in "dmesg | tail -100"
[21:48] <scx> Strabo: put result of this command on paste bin website: apt-cache policy gnu-fdisk util-linux
[21:49] <scx> Strabo: show us /etc/fstab and result of command: blkid
[21:49] <err-or> rodrigograca31: afaik its an script. i think you have to download it from irssi.org or somewhere and activate it.
[21:50] <Strabo> http://pastebin.com/WfDv0Lbr
[21:51] <jrib> rodrigograca31: you may want to check out weechat
[21:52] <scx> Strabo: what about your /etc/fstab and blikd?
[21:52] <Strabo> http://pastebin.com/yydKHQeG
[21:53] <Strabo> how do I use the blikd command?
[21:53] <rodrigograca31> jrib: it looks nice.....
[21:54] <err-or> Strabo: sudo blkid /dev/sda1 or sda2 and so on
[21:55] <scx> Strabo: just: sudo blkid
[21:56] <scx> err-or: without parametrs it will show info about all partitions
[21:56] <err-or> scx: yep, but it's also usage :D
[21:56] <Strabo> the last one is an external - it doesn't matter http://pastebin.com/yydKHQeG
[21:56] <enav> I came here to say Woooooooooooooooooooo    Ubuntu edge is out !!!!   http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[21:57] <Strabo> Gecko and VM are the ones giving me problems
[21:57] <mikhas> yeah, congrats on the campaign, Canonical folks
[21:57] <mikhas> I cant believe those numbers
[21:57] <mikhas> but very impressive indeed
[21:58] <enav> is raising $20K per minute
[21:58] <mikhas> if only all open-source projects could create such a pull and raise money that "easily"
[21:58] <mikhas> :-(
[21:58] <mikhas> yeah, other projects take *months* to raise 20k
[21:58] <8OWAAAHZ5> oi
[21:58] <enav> is about to reach 2 million in the next minutes
[21:59] <enav> maybe half our
[21:59] <k1l_> guys, can we stick to technical support in here? we have a #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[21:59] <mikhas> that open-source e-mail app from Yorba, Geary, couldn't raise 100k in one month either
[21:59] <enav> !join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:59] <reisio> I just hope the donation server isn't running vbulletin :) (too soon? :p)
[22:00] <enav> heh
[22:00] <k1l_> enav: / not !
[22:00] <akurilin> What is canonical expectation for what distro version you should be installing as a home user if you want the latest goodies and you don't really need production-grade stability?
[22:00] <akurilin> 13.04?
[22:00] <Dr_willis> err ubuntu edge is not 'out' its been announced. ;P   big differance.
[22:01] <k1l_> akurilin: yes
[22:01] <rodrigograca31> Ubuntu Edge? what is that? and $32,000,000 ..... what? lol
[22:01] <akurilin> k1l_, what happens once the distro expires? Is the expectation to go through an upgrade process?
[22:01] <Dr_willis> rodrigograca31,  a ubuntu phone..
[22:02] <jrib> akurilin: latest stable release is 13.04, yes
[22:02] <akurilin> k1l_, jrib, How likely is the upgrade to completely bork the OS and how likely are you to be better off reinstalling the latest version from scratch?
[22:02] <Dr_willis> rodrigograca31,  i will belive in it wheni actually see them available to buy. and i bet the Price willbe rather large
[22:02] <k1l_> akurilin: yes. after 9 month it looses support and you are asked to upgrade to the 13.10
[22:02] <jrib> akurilin: not very likely unless you do unsupported things (like lots of unofficial repositories not meant for your distro version)
[22:02] <k1l_> akurilin: upgrades work well. but backup is handy anyway
[22:02] <Strabo> sex: If it is relevant, they stopped auto-mounting after I had KDE cop out on me (couldn use it) - I reset it by changing the kde folder to kde.old so everything got reset
[22:03] <reisio> heh
[22:03] <akurilin> k1l_, jrib, I've hit some kernel panic during boot issues last time I did a the lts hardware enablement trick on 12.04 so I'm a bit suspicious of updates now..
[22:04] <Strabo> scx: If it is relevant, they stopped auto-mounting after I had KDE cop out on me (couldn use it) - I reset it by changing the kde folder to kde.old so everything got reset
[22:04] <Strabo> (mis-read your name - sowwy)
[22:04] <akurilin> jrib, would ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates potentially qualify as "likely to break upgrade"?
[22:05] <k1l_> akurilin: there is no guarantee :/
[22:05] <scx> Strabo: i still didnt see result of: sudo blkid
[22:05] <jrib> akurilin: I'd say more likely using it than not using it but I can't say how likely it would be
[22:05] <Strabo> I posted it
[22:06] <Strabo> http://pastebin.com/WuVxpbQ6
[22:06] <akurilin> k1l_, jrib, as a prevention measure, could one remove that PPA and nuke all the packages from it and then try an upgrade?
[22:06] <akurilin> or is that not really that effective?
[22:06] <Strabo> or maybe I didn't - my mistake!
[22:06] <jrib> akurilin: you could.  I would probably wait for it to cause an issue first and then try to sort it out
[22:07] <k1l_> akurilin: yes, ppas get disabled on upgrade anyway. but the ppa packages stay. and sometimes they break stuff
[22:07] <Strabo> VM and Gecko are the ones I need to get working again
[22:08] <choco_> hola
[22:08] <scx> Strabo: show me: cat /proc/mounts
[22:09] <Strabo> http://pastebin.com/TfXgE7NY
[22:11] <scx> Strabo: sudo fisk -l /dev/sdb
[22:12] <Strabo> sudo: fisk: command not found
[22:12] <scx> my mistake
[22:12] <scx> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[22:13] <scx> and: ls /media/
[22:13] <scx> Strabo: ^^
[22:13] <Strabo> http://pastebin.com/jrhaRZey
[22:14] <scx> Strabo: sudo su -
[22:14] <Strabo> ls /media/
[22:14] <Strabo>  had no output
[22:15] <scx> cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak_2013-07-23
[22:15] <scx> echo "" >> /etc/fstab
[22:15] <scx> echo "UUID=dae557c4-2983-431b-b79e-aa8746d11043 /media/VM    ext3    defaults        0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[22:15] <Strabo> hang on
[22:15] <scx> echo "UUID=94a3dc0d-b8a1-4081-8df5-78b3fd8d0692 /media/Gecko ext4    defaults        0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[22:15] <Strabo> is echo a command, or do I repeat something youǘe got above?
[22:16] <scx> mkdir /media/VM; mkdir /media/Gecko
[22:16] <scx> Strabo: echo is command
[22:17] <scx> you need to add this - http://wklej.org/hash/1099fe36c4b/ to /etc/fstab
[22:17] <rodrigograca> jrib: weechat looks nice.... :)
[22:17] <Strabo> OK - but I already have VM and Gecko as folders in /media
[22:18] <scx> Strabo: you said that ls /media/ show you empty directory
[22:18] <JasonGriffee> How do I enable OpenGL in ubuntu 12.04?
[22:18] <simonwaters> updated 12.04 virtual box which had been down for a few weeks, lightdm now stopped immediately after starting, Xorg reports it can't find screens. There are a couple of bugs like this all squashed long ago, so trying to work out if I'm seeing old bug and the fixes are missing, or if this is a new bug. This is similar - I see the setpgid error  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/799069
[22:18] <scx> JasonGriffee: install GPU driver?
[22:18] <Strabo> The command didn't show me anything.... but I can see the folders there in Dolphin
[22:19] <JasonGriffee> scx, installed one from amd
[22:19] <scx> Strabo: do you add this lines to /etc/fstab? put your /etc/fstab
[22:20] <Strabo> Will it let me edit it in Kate?
[22:21] <Strabo> I haven done the commands you listed above yet, because I want to be clear on what Iḿ doing before I start making changes
[22:21] <scx> JasonGriffee: glxinfo | grep -E "((glx)|(direct))"
[22:22] <scx> Strabo: if you want to automount partitions you need to add entries to /etc/fstab
[22:22] <scx> Strabo: you can edit this file in Kate
[22:22] <scx> Strabo: sudo kate /etc/fstab
[22:22] <Strabo> cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak_2013-07-23
[22:22] <Strabo> echo "" >> /etc/fstab
[22:22] <Strabo> echo "UUID=dae557c4-2983-431b-b79e-aa8746d11043 /media/VM    ext3    defaults        0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[22:22] <Strabo> echo "UUID=94a3dc0d-b8a1-4081-8df5-78b3fd8d0692 /media/Gecko ext4    defaults        0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[22:23] <FloodBot1> Strabo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:23] <Strabo> I enter those four lines in the terminal, correct?
[22:23] <JasonGriffee> scx, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5902111/
[22:24] <MidnightNinja> can anyone look at this link and tell me if the steps for the 64 bit installation look right?
[22:24] <MidnightNinja> http://linuxg.net/install-new-nvidia-drivers-nvidia-319-17-on-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail/
[22:24] <MidnightNinja> after I stop lightdm, the computer goes to black screen with blinking cursor
[22:24] <Strabo> scx: is there anyway to get the system to rebuild the fstab file, rather than me editing it (which makes me nervous, frankly)
[22:24] <Strabo> It was working before
[22:25] <scx> Strabo: yes, just run this commands
[22:25] <Strabo> I don't know how it got broken, but I thought normally ext partitions were automounted anyway
[22:25] <scx> Strabo: it was probably mounted by KDE
[22:26] <scx> Strabo: like a pendrive or cdrom
[22:27] <Strabo> Ok.... do the echo commands add those lines to the file, or do I need to go in and edit after running them?
[22:27] <igw3> guys ma ubuntu OS does not fully shutdown..tried all i know still now shutting down fully
 after I stop lightdm, the computer goes to black screen with blinking cursor < yeah, thats ok, the installer should run with no X
[22:28] <scx> Strabo: you can check this file (and put on paste bin) for sure
[22:29] <scx> JasonGriffee: you have installed AMD drivers
[22:29] <scx> JasonGriffee: do you have x86_64 system?
[22:29] <JasonGriffee> yes
[22:29] <JasonGriffee> scx, yes
[22:29] <mattkruse> !back
[22:29] <scx> JasonGriffee: maybe you have to install x86 libraries for x86 games
[22:29] <Strabo> cp: cannot create regular file ‘/etc/fstab.bak_2013-07-23’: Permission denied
[22:30] <JasonGriffee> scx, how?
[22:30] <clemens> Hello! Has anybody some advices to extend battery life? i have 95 % left and ubuntu (12.4 LTS 64bit)shows me 1:54  - just watching youtube. i also use jupter to extend a battery life. on my windows it usually runs 3h
[22:31] <theubuntunerd> hey
[22:31] <theubuntunerd> is there a way to get chrome on ubuntu?
[22:32] <Strabo> ok... I edited it in Kate Iḿ going to restart and see if it worked (or if I broke anything)
apt-get install chromium
[22:33] <theubuntunerd> thanks!
[22:34] <xangua> !info chromium-browser | not "chromium"  igw3
[22:35] <igw3> thanks of that correction ..noted i totally forgot that -browser wud be der <ubottu>
[22:36] <igw3> guys ma ubuntu OS does not fully shutdown..tried all i know still now shutting down fully
[22:36] <scx> Strabo: did you run?: sudo su -
[22:37] <ktk2> I've set update manager to update Ubuntu to any new version, any normal release (not only LTS). But in Ubuntu 12.10 it still doesn't offer me the version 13.04, even if I enter do-release-upgrade in terminal. How should I proceed?
[22:37] <Strabo> scx: thank-you for all your help - we're up and running again!
[22:38] <Prufrock> Hi all.
[22:38] <fishcooker> what kind of defacement "Reports of defacement" on ubuntuforum.org?
[22:38] <fishcooker> LoL
[22:38] <Jetfire> hello ,since the ubuntu forums are down:can i ask someone to give me a hint HOW to move the top taskbar to bottom?
[22:39] <Prufrock> I have this really annoying problem of the system failing to "wake up" again after a Hibernate/Suspend.
[22:39] <Prufrock> I don't know how to diagnose it. Any help, please?
[22:40] <scx> Strabo: yw
[22:41] <clemens> Hello! Has anybody some advices to extend battery life? i have 95 % left and ubuntu (12.4 LTS 64bit)shows me 1:54  - just watching youtube. i also use jupter to extend a battery life. on my windows it usually runs 3h
[22:42] <raymond_> clemens, video card, CPU & laptop brand?
[22:42] <k1l_> clemens: with Youtube? flash is very very inefficient on that part
[22:43] <W3ird_N3rd> clemens, try lesswatts.org in the internet archive
[22:44] <W3ird_N3rd> seems down right now, but had some good tips
[22:44] <brontosaurusrex> clemens, perhaps forcing youtube in html5 could make some difference
[22:44] <Guest90415> Hi all - Recently updated to 12.04 from 10.04.. I've found that the keybind Mod4+p (windowskey + p) is now being used to toggle between displays.. Any idea how to remove this default keybind? (its not in keyboard shortcuts).
[22:45] <Guest90415> name terry
[22:45] <W3ird_N3rd> clemens, some more suggestions - if you have Intel integrated graphics, get the latest kernel as the driver is continually developed and gets more power saving features
[22:45] <W3ird_N3rd> if you have AMD/nVidia graphics, try the closed-source driver, it has more features for power saving
[22:45] <Guest90415> NICK terry
[22:45] <Guest90415> ./sigh <- irc newb
[22:46] <clemens> raymond_, ATI HD 4000 series integrated (active) and ATI HD 7730M (deactivated) and an Intel Core i7-3612QM and the band is a Dell
[22:46] <k1l_> Guest90415: //nick nick
[22:46] <k1l_> sorry, only on /
[22:47] <raymond_> clemens, try the preperietary drivers if you haven't installed them yet.  My laptop has an Ati HD4670 in it and it took me from about 1:45 to close to 3h battery life.
[22:47] <clemens> k1l_, i don't think that flash using so much resources that it run 1h fewer
[22:48] <k1l_> clemens: i do
[22:48] <terry__> thanks k1l
[22:48] <Prufrock> Hello all
[22:48] <raymond_> terry__, .. hmm.. it's active on my box as well (13.10), just tried it. (Win+P)
[22:49] <clemens> raymond_, do you mean the amd driver?
[22:49] <Prufrock> Please help me, I keep having a kernel panic quite often, this is probably the 3rd time in under an hour.
[22:49] <raymond_> clemens, yeah.
[22:49] <W3ird_N3rd> clemens, try entering the HTML5 trial: www.youtube.com/html5
[22:49] <Prufrock> A kernel panic as a result of not syncing, that is.
[22:49] <Prufrock> k1l, could you help me please?
[22:50] <terry__> pufrock - dump your syslog into a pastebin
[22:51] <raymond_> clemens, and after you install it.. try the workaround I mentioned in comment #11 on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/988713
[22:51] <lauratika> i create a gpg key, when i export the key i guess that is my public key, what part i have to backup in case i lost my key? the public one?
[22:52] <jrib> lauratika: you should back up both
[22:52] <raymond_> lauratika, you'll want to back up your private key too.  Just make sure you store it in a location you trust fully. ^_^
[22:53] <lauratika> but where is the privare key??
[22:53] <W3ird_N3rd> clemens, also !google for sched_mc_power_savings (not sure if that's default yet, would be nice) and consider disabling any 3D-desktop
[22:54] <W3ird_N3rd> also use laptop_mode
[22:54] <lauratika> i mean where is on my system so i can do and enrcyption of that keyp and upload it to my one account?
[22:54] <raymond_> lauratika, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5587513/gnupg-encryption-how-to-export-private-secret-asc-key-to-decrypt-gpg-files-i
[22:55] <raymond_> that just uses the gpg tool, so it should work in the linux shell too
[22:57] <Prufrock> Could anyone please help me diagnose, and hopefully fix, my kernel panich issue?
[22:58] <reisio> kernel panache would be nice
[22:59] <Prufrock> reisio, It would great if you could help me instead of poking fun.. :\
[22:59] <AloNorma_xd> enter # _-Web
[22:59] <reisio> I can't do both? :/
[23:00] <reisio> Prufrock: what's it say?
[23:00] <AloNorma_xd> enter #_-Web
[23:00] <Prufrock> reisio, what does what say?
[23:00] <reisio> the text around the panic notice
[23:00] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[23:00] <AloNorma_xd> enter #_-Web
[23:01] <Jetfire> so ,what about my question?how to move top taskbar from top to bottom side of my ubuntu?
[23:01] <Prufrock> reisio, what happens is that it basically switches into command-line mode and I don't really understand anything there.
[23:01] <Jetfire> 12.04 ubuntu here.
[23:01] <lauratika> raymond_: now that both keys private a public are backep up what you rekon should be the best way to have them stor in ubuntu one?
[23:01] <Jetfire> 12*
[23:01] <Jetfire> 1
[23:02] <xangua> Jetfire: you don't, in unity at least
[23:03] <Jetfire> im not speaking for unity, i want to move top taskbard to bottom.
[23:03] <xangua> Jetfire: you are talking about...
[23:03] <dekan> Hello.
[23:03] <sunshinejay> hello guys, is ther any channel for ubuntu beginners?
[23:03] <Jetfire> Im confused ,people says that I can move it down but forums are down and i cant read :)
[23:04] <reisio> sunshinejay: could start here
[23:04] <raymond_> lauratika, personally, I wouldn't back up my private key to any cloud service..
[23:04] <dekan> Does anyone know if someone has released statistics of how much donations Ubuntu Edge has per time? I did some statistical analysis, results are pretty interesting.
[23:04] <Diamondcite> sunshinejay: No, beginners channel, however, if you are lost just ask in this channel and someone will volunteer to help
[23:04] <sjmikem> Any quick gotchas why no_root_squash might not work on nfs4 export on RR?
[23:05] <th0r> Jetfire: are you using unity? Xfce? Lxde? Gnome?
[23:05] <sunshinejay> tnx guys for your response
[23:05] <raymond_> Ostensibly, you will be using this private key to encrypt & sign information.. :| if someone breaches your account, they can get to it.  At least if you really want to store it there you should look at something like encfs where you can keep it in an encrypted folder.
[23:06] <th0r> !patience
[23:06] <lauratika> truecrypt perhaps
[23:06] <lauratika> ?
[23:06] <sunshinejay> I'm new to ubunt i would like to know how to install it from scratch
[23:06] <Prufrock> anyone? please?
[23:06] <goddard> running into a problem using gvfs mounts over command line with vim
[23:06] <goddard> it is killing the permissions
[23:06] <goddard> should i use sshfs instead?
[23:06] <reisio> Prufrock: what's up?
[23:07] <reisio> sunshinejay: how to install Ubuntu?
[23:07] <Prufrock> reisio, ?
[23:07] <sunshinejay> reisio, yes
[23:07] <Prufrock> reisio, Kernel panic issue?
[23:07] <reisio> sunshinejay: how'd you install the OS you're using right now?
[23:07] <reisio> Prufrock: the text it outputs will be relevant
[23:07] <th0r> Prufrock: you haven't given us much to work with
[23:07] <gnufs> is there an ubuntu edge channel?
[23:08] <raymond_> lauratika, yeah, I'd definitely encrypt it with a _very_ secure password or better yet a randomly generated key that you keep on a USB stick or something.  Just to be extra cautious.
[23:08] <reisio> gnufs: /msg alis list *ubunt*
[23:08] <gnufs> btw it's at 2 mil!
[23:08] <Prufrock> th0r, exactly. If you could help me diagnose it. For instance, what to look for in the system log, etc. etc.
[23:08] <reisio> lauratika: truecrypt is good for cross platform, but that's about where it ends
[23:09] <sunshinejay> reisio, currntly i'm using debian not ubuntu
[23:09] <dekan> I did statistical analysis guys, at this time, recorded from 00:00 to 01:00, average mean of $/min based on indiegogo is around 4500-5500 $/min with not much of standard deviation. Can anyone else do statistics tommorrow with me, since two independent measurements and calculations are better, cause I probably have some relative error. THis is only for today, I want to see how rate of $/min will accelerate or deccalerate over time, and po
[23:09] <dekan> ssibly make a mathematical model to calculate if we will get to 32 000 000 $.
[23:09] <reisio> someone worth $500,000,000 using crowdsourcing, that's classic
[23:10] <gnufs> reisio: "Maximum channel output reached"
[23:10] <th0r> Prufrock: you could start with when it occurs. What software are you trying to run? What are you trying to do at the time?  Don't know about the others, but my crystal ball isn't working tonite
[23:10] <reisio> gnufs: hrmm?
[23:10] <reisio> sunshinejay: Ubuntu installs roughly the same as Debian
[23:10] <SonikkuAmerica> dekan: That could go to #ubuntu-discuss, but it might be better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:10] <raymond_> Prufrock, what kind of messages do you get from dmesg?  Also, check /var/log/kern.log
[23:10] <draconus2> dekan what are you on?
[23:10] <reisio> dekan: apparently the price goes up after today, so there would be at least that other factor
[23:10] <usr13> sunshinejay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRIWW4Li4Uo
[23:11] <dekan> draconus2: Excuse me?
[23:11] <gnufs> reisio: /msg alis list *ubunt* returns too many results
[23:11] <reisio> gnufs: change *ubunt* to something more restricted, then
[23:11] <sunshinejay> ssr13, thanks i'll check that
[23:11] <reisio> like *ubunt*edg* or *ubunt*touch*
[23:12] <dekan> reisio: Thanks for the info.
[23:12] <lauratika> reisio: so what you rekon better than truecrypt
[23:12] <reisio> dm-crypt/luks
[23:14] <sunshinejay> reisio, ive never intalled linux ever since this is companys OS
[23:14] <reisio> sunshinejay: you ever installed any OS?
[23:14] <lauratika> reisio: does it have a GUI??
[23:14] <Prufrock> raymond_, That problem is that I can't really undstand what is written in these files.
[23:14] <Prufrock> understand*
[23:15] <reisio> lauratika: probably, dunno
[23:15] <sunshinejay> reisio, i installed windows but no linux
[23:15] <reisio> sunshinejay: it's about the same as installing Windows, too
[23:16] <reisio> you pick where to format/install, you choose a couple things,
[23:16] <raymond_> Prufrock, can you post the output to pastebin, and then link it here?  we can take a look at it here.  Also, is it reproducible?  Does it occur when you try to do something specific (like connect a device, run a program etc)?
[23:16] <sunshinejay> ok, will try to install later
[23:16] <antonio_> Hey folks..
[23:17] <sunshinejay> reisio. thanks
[23:17] <antonio_> I'm trying to get hangouts on air to work with ubuntu..because I have a webinar to do tomorrow.  it worked like a week ago now it doesn't work...
[23:17] <reisio> antonio_: something changed
[23:17] <antonio_> Its telling me "Install the Hangouts Plugin to get started"
[23:17] <antonio_> I install it, and nothing happens
[23:17] <Prufrock> raymond_, I'm not sure about the reproducible part, because all I was doing was basically using firefox or watching some Youtube.. etc. The usual stuff.
[23:17] <reisio> antonio_: install? Wasn't it already installed?
[23:18] <antonio_> reisio: I thought it was since it was already working
[23:19] <raymond_> Prufrock, ok.  What version of ubuntu are you on?
[23:19] <Prufrock> th0r, Could you plz remind me of the command to use for sending the output that specific command to a text file?
[23:19] <antonio_> hmm...found it out..
[23:20] <reisio> gj
[23:20] <antonio_> it works on chrome..just not on firefox
[23:20] <Prufrock> raymond_, 13.04, and I  recently upgraded to it from 12.04.
[23:20] <kostkon> th0r, e.g.  yourcommand > ~/Desktop/output.txt
[23:20] <kostkon> oops
[23:20] <Prufrock> kostkon, Thanks bro. :)
[23:20] <kostkon> Prufrock, e.g.  yourcommand > ~/Desktop/output.txt
[23:20] <th0r> :-)
[23:20] <kostkon> :)
[23:21] <alzee> hello
[23:21] <reisio> 'lo
[23:21] <alzee> there are so few people here
[23:22] <reisio> yes indeed
[23:22] <alzee> the linux mint  channel is full of people...
[23:22] <alzee> this place is sut abandoned Q-Q
[23:22] <reisio> yup
[23:22] <raymond_> Prufrock, Let's make sure you're on the most recent kernel.  What does uname -r say?
[23:22] <dr_willis> !ask
[23:22] <alzee> o-o
[23:23] <Prufrock> raymond_, 3.8.0-26-generic
[23:24] <Prufrock> raymond_, Also, here's the whole output of dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5902255/
[23:25] <raymond_> Prufrock, so.. it's really a kernel panic right.   That's what happens. Even "raising the elephants" won't work.
[23:27] <raymond_> Prufrock, hmm.. we'll have to dig deeper.. Open up /var/log/kern.log in a text editor (like gedit or something).  You'll see dates and times on the left column.. try to remember about when the panic occured, and paste the lines with those time into pastebin.
[23:30] <draconus2> hm... what could be wrong with my nginx? kernel: php5-fpm[21665]: segfault at 7fff06e94ff8 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>66c6fb sp 00007fff06e95000 error 6 in php5-fpm[400000+79e000]
[23:31] <draconus2> getting lots of that in kern.log and my box even froze two times today... might be related due to the flood of that error?
[23:31] <bjoswald> How do I keep Ubuntu from maximizing screen brightness when I log in?
[23:31] <bjoswald> (I am not using a laptop)
[23:34] <sunshinejay> hello guys, any link on how to install ubuntu server?
[23:37] <histo> sunshinejay: you download the iso burn it and install
[23:37] <dekan> sunshinejay: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/install-ubuntu-server
[23:37] <Awaken> put disc in, hit enter? :P
[23:37] <histo> !server | sunshinejay
[23:37] <mikodo> sunshinejay, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/install-ubuntu-server
[23:37] <Awaken> its really easy :)
[23:38] <sunshinejay> thanks, but i can't find iso for 32bit version
[23:38] <mikodo> oops
[23:38] <Awaken> nothing to worry about
[23:38] <Awaken> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?distro=server&bits=32&release=lts
[23:38] <sunshinejay> can som1 give me the link for 32bit version
[23:38] <Awaken> ^^
[23:39] <Aprel> Hi. How many GB is a fresh ubuntu install (say 13.04)?
[23:39] <Awaken> but if the hardwares 64bit you probably want the 64bit version
[23:39] <histo> sunshinejay: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/thank-you?distro=server&bits=32&release=lts
[23:39] <sunshinejay> histo, thanks
[23:39] <Hilikus> is it possible to configure ubuntu to use twinView for a dual screen setup ONLY when i turn the second monitor on, but to single when i turn the monitor off? i don't use it all the time so right now things might appear in the second monitor when it is off
[23:39] <Hilikus> i'm using an nvidia card with the binary drivers
[23:41] <Aprel> Hilikus: what kind of connections? HDMI? VGA?
[23:42] <Hilikus> Aprel: the first (always on) is dvi, the secondary is VGA
[23:43] <lord_murcielago> hallo
[23:43] <lord_murcielago> hello
[23:43] <lord_murcielago> hola
[23:43] <dr_willis> Hilikus:  it dosent wirk that way that ive ever seen
[23:43] <lord_murcielago> testing ubuntu irc
[23:44] <Awaken> lol
[23:44] <Prufrock> raymond_, Hi, I'm back.
[23:44] <Guest60441> YAY PRUFROCK IS BACK
[23:45] <Aprel> Hilikus: Not sure, but I doubt that's possible. Skimming the WP article on VGA, I don't see any feedback to the garphics card that could tell it when the screen is on or off.
[23:45] <Hilikus> Aprel: that's what i thought
[23:45] <Hilikus> :S
[23:45] <raymond_> Prufrock, did it panic again? :(
[23:46] <pepper_chico> ok guys, I've done my duty, I've pledged for an UbuntuEdge
[23:46] <Prufrock> raymond_, I couldn't determine the exact time of the crash. But I also have another, probably related problem, of the system failing to come back up after a hibernate/suspend, and here's part of the kernel.log at that time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5902292/
[23:46] <Aprel> Hilikus: HDMI *might* be able to give that feedback, but even if it does, I don't haven't heard of nVidia drivers supporting that.
[23:46] <poz> hey guys, i have a problem! my desktop is scrolling
[23:47] <poz> like it does not all fit on the screen
[23:47] <poz> like what is up with that?
[23:48] <usr13> poz: What is the screen size now?   xrandr
[23:48] <poz>  i think it fixed it, it was a display res problem
[23:48] <poz> but the unity dash still takes up the entire screen instead of just the corron
[23:49] <poz> corner*
[23:49] <Aprel> Is there any way to boot from an Ubuntu live cd, make some configurations in the ram environment (like install new software packages, change a few settings, etc.), and then "burn" that new environment to a disc and be able to boot from that read-only?
[23:53] <lauratika> rules | lord_murcielago	+
[23:54] <poz> not many people here today eh?
[23:54] <valroadie> OK! So, I don't want anything about, "It is HIGHLY advised against!" I know I know ok? This is linux, I want to manipulate it! ;) NOW! I want to run terminal in root, but EVERYTIME I start it, I want it in root. No sudo su, sudo, gksu or anything. Is there a way to do this? I also prefer somethign that doesn't require a pass when it is started as that is defeating the purpose of what I want to do.
[23:55] <Prufrock> raymond_, Okay, it just did now. :) I got a picture this time: http://imgur.com/tSUkF2i I hope it helps.. :(
[23:56] <raymond_> Prufrock, just a sec here I'll have to deblur it ^_^
[23:56] <usr13> valroadie: What do you have against passwords and sudo?
[23:56] <Prufrock> raymond_, Take your time :)
[23:56] <valroadie> usr13, they are waste of my typing time ;)
[23:58] <usr13> valroadie: You must do very little if typing passwords are such a significant part of your time.
[23:58] <usr13> valroadie: You should reconsider your stand on this issue.
[23:59] <valroadie> My stand is, linux is my playground and I want to play in the restricted zone! haha. Why isn't this easy? Noone will tell me how to do it or if it is even POSSIBLE. I feel like I am the only one who dares to do this lol
[23:59] <Prufrock> raymond_, also, here's what I think is the relevant part of the kernel.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5902330/
[23:59] <gordonjcp> valroadie: what are you trying to do?
[23:59] <Aprel> usr13: haha, valroadie already said he knows it's not ubuntu-advised.
[23:59] <valroadie> gordonjcp, trying to run term in root when it starts EVERYTIME. no sudo su, no sudo, just root when it starts