 Looks like the new banner is up! nice @RikMills !
 Is anyone adding the 19.10 links? I can add those in a bit if no one is doing it yet.
 It's not out yet officially. The banner was a slight teaser
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/19.10/release/
 It is indeed out.
 Ah official release I think you mean.
 @RikMills do you have that wallpaper for the other pages?
 Yes
 https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ : like Download Kubuntu? That's the only other thing that needs to be changed.
 I can add the new release when it is out.
 @ahoneybun, Giime a sec. I had to modify the kde wallpaper svg to make the banner, so need to find that
 Sounds good.
 Might take a few goes to crop a decent section. That breadcrum image displays in a weird way
 @ahoneybun How about now?
 Looks like it's all blue now.
 I mean it's not the worst that it could be and simiar to our blue.
 I moved the cropped area a tiny bit, and the whole thing as is displayed moved miles! That is odd.
 We can tweak a bit in the next 24 hrs  if neede ;)
 Yea it's a small thing really.
 I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really
 Oh it's looking really good 😁
[17:05] <yofel> good evening, @Rik: If you have questions about the linode box please do send me a mail in the worst case. I don't really pay attention to IRC these days.
[17:05] <yofel> TBH the only thing that should be salvaged from it is the backup partition with the CI master backups (maybe trimmed down a bit), and some user data.
[17:06] <yofel> The CI slave on it is so fragile that I didn't dare to touch it at all anymore since I locked the docker version in the LXD container. That should either be set up again without nested containers - or by using something other than docker to manage to containers. Podman or so
[17:46] <yofel> RikMills: ignoring linode for a moment: Did you have a plan for upgrading the kci master to 18.04? If not I might at least try to get jenkins updated so it doesn't list a dozen vulnerabilities anymore
[20:38] <valorie> my connection seems wonky atm, but am I right that we need a story about the release?
[20:41] <RikMills> yofel: hi :) no  I had not made plans for upgrading KCI to 18.04. for jenkins, I have just been slightyl scared to touch it, but if you think upgrades are safe, please do so
[20:41] <RikMills> valorie: yes
[20:42] <valorie> alrighty
[22:10] <valorie> oh good god, why are the copied screenies looking fine in the release notes, on my computer, and total shit in the story?
[22:10] <valorie> god
[22:11] <valorie> @ahoneybun if you have a sec can you take a look
[22:11] <valorie> in the edit screen and preview it's horrible
[22:12] <valorie> mparillo: if you are around I think you have rights as well
 http://docs.kubuntu.org/docs/installation.html : dead link.
 https://kubuntu.org/_wp_link_placeholder : dead link
 valorie
[22:20] <valorie> icky
[22:20] <valorie> where in hell are the docs?
[22:22] <valorie> where is that second one?
 I don't think there is an online version right now. The second one is the last link.
[22:23] <valorie> not feeling too well today including brain
 https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual/blob/kubuntu-18.04-LTS/build/latex/KubuntuManual-18.04.pdf
[22:23] <valorie> urgh
 I can check it out fully once you leave the page lol. I didn't want to kick you off.
[22:24] <valorie> oh, I'll log out
[22:24] <valorie> done, sorry
 I'm wondering why the images are blurry or if that is just me.
[22:26] <valorie> no, that's the problem
[22:26] <valorie> they are copied from the wiki where they are fine
[22:26] <valorie> they look fine on my machine
[22:26] <valorie> on WP they are shit
[22:27] <valorie> dunno if that's because I uploaded them or what
[22:28] <valorie> but they are awful imo
 What wiki?
 Ah
[22:29] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
 can I take over?
[22:30] <valorie> I guess we could use this link for the Tips thing: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
 Fixed.
[22:30] <valorie> @RikMills what are you doing up?
[22:30] <valorie> lol
[22:30]  * valorie is logged out
 @RikMills yep!
 valorie I'm seeing if I can build the HTML for the installation docs and render it somehow.
 got images not blurry now
 valorie: it is only 11:30pm here
 pubished! which in not quite what I meant to do, but think it is ok. lol
 It was usable unless you didn't remove the dead docs link.
 docs link gone, as I then checked all links!
 not sure why images were blurry (resising?). new wordpress is utterly carp. removing and re-adding image sections seems to work
 I definitely want to switch away from it eventually
 New WordPress is utter dumpster fire floating in the wake of a typhoon
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/gmgLROYS/file_19127.mp4
 I love the way you go in to edit the code, make your changes, update, and wordpress alters your code to what 'it thinks' you should have done!
 Right......
[23:01] <valorie> thanks so much @RikMills
[23:01] <valorie> @ahoneybun it would be great to have them online
[23:01] <valorie> esp as we approach the LTS
[23:06] <valorie> shall I tweet the story?
[23:07] <valorie> doin' it
[23:10] <valorie> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1184969842937327617
 valorie I know but I rather not have to do the hosting on my own. It just needs a really small server with very little bandwidth and like 20GB or so.
[23:11] <valorie> we have servers
[23:11] <valorie> linode, etc.
[23:11] <valorie> no need to self host!


[12:01] <ivoks> time for bed...
[12:01] <ivoks> bye all
[12:01] <\sh> ivoks: no u go tu #u-m
[12:02] <\sh> now;)
[12:02] <ogra> \sh, i'm already doing that...
[12:02] <ivoks> ?
[12:02] <ivoks> :_
[12:02] <\sh> go to ;)
[12:02] <ogra> \sh, with a bottle of merlot
[12:02] <\sh> ogra: argl..
[12:02] <ivoks> \sh: ?
[12:02] <\sh> ivoks: u have to go to ubuntu-meeting ;) as u said ;) not to bed;)
[12:03] <ivoks> i'm allready there
[12:03] <ivoks> noone is talking ::)))
[12:03] <ajmitch> ivoks: we said, it's tomorrow ;)
[12:03] <Unfrgiven> alright guys in that case i'm going to go to work.... no point staying home if the meeting isn't on! :)
[12:03] <ivoks> ajmitch: i know
[12:03] <ivoks> i'm joking with \sh
[12:03] <ajmitch> bye Unfrgiven
[12:03] <\sh> cu Unfrgiven
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> i just had to send my manager an email saying i got the day wrong! :)
[12:04] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:04] <ajmitch> poor chap
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> indeed...
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> cya all later
[12:04] <\sh> ubuntu addicted
[12:04] <ivoks> welll... bye
[12:04] <Unfrgiven> \sh: they dont call it crack for nothing!
[12:05] <\sh> Unfrgiven: hmmm
[12:07] <\sh> ok.gents..for it's also time to say good night..no mail to my manager, but managing to go to bad :)
[12:07] <\sh> "me" is missing
[12:07] <\sh> g'night
[12:08] <Mithrandir> sleep tight
[01:16] <Burgundavia> is this CXX related? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11123
[01:20] <lamont> what is the cdbs target to unpack and patch source?
[01:49] <jamessan> then why use cdbs?
[02:25] <jbailey> lamont: apply-patches
[02:25] <jbailey> lamont: (assuming that it's simple-patchsys, and not patch and quilt)
[02:25] <jbailey> lamont: We really need to unify all of those.
[02:26] <lamont> jbailey: ok. :-)
[04:35] <tseng> hi
[04:36] <crimsun> hi
[05:53] <tritium> hi crimsun
[05:53] <crimsun> lo tritium
[05:55] <tritium> How are things?
[05:58] <crimsun> not bad, yourself?
[05:58] <tritium> Not bad, thanks.
[05:58] <crimsun> great
[06:59] <Amaranth> woo, smeg passes lintian with no errors or warnings
[07:00] <Amaranth> once pyxdg 0.11 gets into main i'll have to find someone to sponsor it
[07:00] <ajmitch> it shouldn't be hard to find a willing sponsor
[07:02] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, smeg is very nice, probably nicer than the default gnome one
[07:02] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: that's the plan :)
[07:02] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, what is it written in? can gnome use it by default?
[07:02] <Amaranth> python
[07:03] <Burgundavia> what is the status of python in gnome, I am little confused
[07:03] <Amaranth> i doubt gnome would use it by default, it uses pyxdg instead of the gnome-menus python bindings
[07:03] <Amaranth> well, the one in GNOME is written in python too...
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:03] <Amaranth> plus mark likes simple simple editor and i don't think he wants to step on any toes
[07:04] <Burgundavia> but smeg is actually simpler as a UI than the gnome one
[07:04] <Amaranth> so gnome-menu-editor and smeg are going for advanced users and gmenu-simple-edit goes for simple uses
[07:04] <Amaranth> err, 0.6 looks just like the one in gnome :D
[07:05] <ajmitch> I think python is encouraged & allowed in GNOME now
[07:05] <Amaranth> python is the only high-level language that is allowed right now, afaik
[07:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:06] <Burgundavia> I suspect ruby may be the next one, which would be nice
[07:06] <Burgundavia> as Java/Mono is tied up to language holywars
[07:06] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.6.png
[07:08] <Burgundavia> hmm, I saw a one-paned menu editor
[07:08] <Burgundavia> was that the old smeg?
[07:11] <Amaranth> You mean http://www.realistanew.com/images/smeg/smeg-0.5.png ?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:12] <Burgundavia> why did you dump the one pane?
[07:12] <Amaranth> people seemed to not like it
[07:13] <Burgundavia> hmm, I happen to like the concept, much simpler
[07:13] <Amaranth> yeah, i think it was more "spatial"
[07:13] <Burgundavia> and cleaner
[07:13] <Burgundavia> but people are really tied to the 2 pane idea
[07:14] <Amaranth> yeah, plus it makes my life easier having two seperate TreeViews
[07:14] <Amaranth> as far as coding, i mean
[07:14] <Amaranth> DnD would have been a PITA with the one pane
[08:51] <\sh> morning
[08:53] <ivoks> morning
[08:53] <ivoks> ah, time for americas army :)
[08:53] <ivoks> there's nothing better then blod, guns and killing in 9AM
[09:03] <\sh> hmmm...i think it's a good time to start the day with a cup of coffee
[10:41] <Nafallo> hi all!
[10:46] <\sh> ogra:ping
[10:49] <ogra> \sh, pong
[10:51] <\sh> ogra: i hope this try will be the last try for dar
[10:51] <ogra> oki... i'll look at it soo, just let me finish my 150 mails....
[10:52] <\sh> ogra: yeah..no hurry.
[10:52] <\sh> making some party mood inside the NOC with "wir sind papst" *sing*
[10:57] <\sh> strike...diff looks nice
[10:58] <\sh> let me grab a cup of coffee and after this i will upload the diff to bugzilla
[11:14] <\sh> ogra: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2496
[11:14] <elmo> GUYS
[11:15] <ogra> elmo
[11:15] <\sh> where?
[11:15] <elmo> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE triple check your dput.cf/dupload.confs and DON'T UPLOAD ubuntu packages to Debian
[11:15] <elmo> \sh: that means _you_ dude :P
[11:15] <\sh> elmo: hmm it's an error of dput
[11:15] <ogra> \sh, lots of ubuntu devs are developing for debian
[11:16] <elmo> ogra: nevertheless, we should fix our dput and dupload to default to ubuntu
[11:16] <elmo> having misplaced uploads for debian by ubuntu folks end up in our queue is a lot less painful than the reverse
[11:16] <ogra> elmo, i'll fix it during the day....
[11:16] <elmo> thanks
[11:17] <\sh> i tried to dput local and didn't have mini-dinstall installed
[11:17] <\sh> and I saw "upload packages"
[11:17] <\sh> but normally dput should ignore those uploads..cause .dputrc was in my home..strange
[11:17] <\sh> sorry
[11:17] <ogra> \sh, on the Uploads wikipage re the tweaks you have to make :)
[11:18] <\sh> ogra: that wasn't the issue
[11:18] <\sh> [local]
[11:18] <\sh> fqdn = localhost
[11:18] <\sh> method = local
[11:18] <\sh> incoming = /home/shermann/archive/mini-dinstall/incoming
[11:18] <\sh> allow_unsigned_uploads = 1
[11:18] <ogra> btw, the patch looks good now
[11:18] <\sh> post_upload_command = mini-dinstall --batch
[11:18] <\sh> this is my .dput.cf
[11:18] <\sh> but "mini-dinstall" wasn't installed in my chroot of breezy
[11:18] <\sh> so i did a dput local <mypackage> and normally it should complain only that mini-dinstall is not installed and do nothing
[11:19] <\sh> but I think he took the global config for it
[11:19] <\sh> I'm really sorry about it...please tell all the debian devs my appologies
[11:19] <\sh> next time the beer goes on my account
[11:20] <\sh> ogra: the rules file was quite funny
[11:20] <ogra> \sh, you dont need to apologize to the debian devs, only to te ftp master who has to handle it ;)
[11:21] <\sh> ogra: it doesn't matter to whom I have to tell my appologies..it's annonying
[11:22] <\sh> ogra: and it's quite bad that I was the one :(
[11:22] <ogra> nah
[11:22] <\sh> I'm taking it personally ;)
[11:22] <ogra> youre not the only one
[11:26] <\sh> ogra: Now I know what happened..so i can avoid it in the future
[11:26] <ogra> good
[11:28] <\sh> but it's really strange that it takes the default upload config even if there is a local dput.cf
[11:34] <Burgundavia> siretart, ping
[11:34] <siretart> Burgundavia: pong
[11:35] <siretart> but I'm having lecture, and gotta leave in 10min
[11:35] <Burgundavia> siretart, regarding londonlaw
[11:35] <Burgundavia> siretart, shall I email you?
[11:35] <siretart> Burgundavia: if you don't mind, that'll be great!
[11:35] <Burgundavia> siretart, np
[11:36] <siretart> Burgundavia: I've read your suggestions on londonlaw-users ;)
[11:38] <siretart> \sh: will you attend the TB meeting this evening?
[11:38] <\sh> siretart: yes
[11:39] <Burgundavia> siretart, you also subscribed? saw my flood?
[11:39] <Burgundavia> siretart, sent
[11:39] <siretart> \sh: I want to attend to, but I'm won't make in on time. I will come at about 2030-2045. would you excuse me please?
[11:40] <siretart> Burgundavia: yes. much work for paul :)
[11:40] <\sh> siretart: sure np...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> once I get inkscape working, some work for me too
[11:41] <siretart> Burgundavia: I read your email, will comment on both suggestions. (already have thoughts about them)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I like causing people work
[11:42] <siretart> \sh: thanks
[11:43] <Burgundavia> siretart, discovered the crownandcutlass FTBFS, he is using hardcoded nvidia only links
[11:43] <siretart> Burgundavia: :(
[11:43] <Burgundavia> there is some discussion about it on their forums, and possible fix, but I didn't play with it
[11:43] <Burgundavia> as SDL is currently done on my machine
[11:49] <\sh> ogra: how is the status of gnome-powermanager thingy
[01:01] <\sh> ogra: I'm a lucky guy
[01:01] <ogra> good for you then ;-P
[01:01] <ogra> ;)
[01:02] <ogra> but why ?
[01:02] <\sh> ogra: i will get some furniture on friday for free ;)
[01:02] <ogra> heh...
[01:03] <\sh> desk, settees, table, chairs etc. :)
[01:04] <\sh> those guys from wds-tech they're renewing their office and everything in there right now, they deliver it to me ;)
[01:04] <ogra> great :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> hi ogra, \sh
[01:06] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[01:08] <ogra> is anybody here using dput ?
[01:08] <\sh> yep
[01:08] <thom> yes
[01:08] <ogra> is there a default host setting like in dupload anywhere ?
[01:09] <thom> yeah, in the config file
[01:09] <\sh>  /etc/dput.cf
[01:09] <ogra> i got it open here do i add ubuntu to default_host_main  then ?
[01:09] <thom> yes
[01:09] <ogra> ah, thanks...
[01:11] <ogra> thom, so why dont you like <blink> tags ?
[01:11] <\sh> what is dput using if u don't give a destination for uploading? in my /etc/dput.cf  there is no default_host_main set...does it use then the first host entry? (ftp-master?)
[01:11] <\sh> ogra: thats netscapish
[01:11] <ogra> so ?
[01:12] <thom> ogra: *evil*
[01:12] <\sh> ogra: they were hated sind they were invented :)
[01:12] <\sh> s/sind/since/
[01:12] <thom> and yes, it'll use the first host entry by default
[01:12] <\sh> just like <marquee> from ms
[01:12] <\sh> thom: thats the reason why I uploaded accidently to debian :(
[01:12] <ogra> but its nice to have it to see the errors during scrolling
[01:13] <thom> just make em read; i find blink *really* hard to read
[01:13] <ogra> an i doubt anybody will look at our build logs with IE
[01:13] <thom> uh, "red"
[01:13] <ogra> they are red already... but i'll add a option to disable it
[01:14] <ogra> as i'll add a option to disable css, since fabbione doest like it :)
[01:15] <\sh> argl
[01:15] <ogra> thesaltydog, nice that you come back
[01:15] <\sh> I just saw dar not compiling on amd64.. i need access to amd64 platform ;)
[01:15] <thesaltydog> ogra, I was just looking for you
[01:16] <ogra> thesaltydog, sorry that i didnt intervene enough yesterday inthe talk with herve... please dont be upset
[01:17] <thesaltydog> ogra, I am not upset. I simply don't want my application anymore in ubuntu.. :-)
[01:19] <ajmitch> that is unfortunate, why is that?
[01:20] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[01:20] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[01:20] <ivoks> 25 kills, 3 KIA
[01:20] <ivoks> nice :)
[01:33] <\sh> thesaltydog: which application?
[01:34] <doko_> ogra: dar FTBFS
[01:36] <\sh> strike
[01:36] <\sh> http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ%5FPGPCODER%2EA&VSect=P
[01:36] <\sh> thats incredible
[01:39] <ajmitch> \sh: looks rather nasty :)
[01:39] <\sh> yeah
[01:41] <ogra> \sh, seen doko ?
[01:41] <\sh> but this is really, well, dangerous
[01:41] <\sh> ogra: toolchain or devel
[01:41] <ogra> \sh, <doko_> ogra: dar FTBFS
[01:41] <\sh> ogra: on ia64, amd64 and ppc
[01:42] <ogra> \sh, could you look at it ?
[01:42] <\sh> sure...
943	/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/.libs/libdar.a(tools.o)(.text+0xf332):
[01:42] <\sh> In function `libdar::tools_name_of_gid(unsigned short)':

944	/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/tools.cpp:412:
[01:42] <\sh> warning: Using 'getgrgid' in statically linked applications requires at
[01:42] <\sh> runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking

945	/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/.libs/libdar.a(tools.o)(.text+0xf882):
[01:42] <\sh> In function `libdar::tools_name_of_uid(unsigned short)':

946	/build/buildd/dar-2.2.1/src/libdar/tools.cpp:398:
[01:43] <\sh> warning: Using 'getpwuid' in statically linked applications requires at
[01:43] <ogra> \sh, hey
[01:43] <\sh> runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking

[01:43] <Amaranth> he can't stop
[01:43] <\sh> argl
[01:43] <ogra> obviously
[01:43] <\sh> sorry
[01:43] <\sh> *grmpf* sometimes i have kde
[01:43] <\sh> i hate
[01:44] <ajmitch> bad \sh
[01:44] <ogra> the above is sad, the latter i can understand ;)
[01:44] <ajmitch> simple fix, use gnome
[01:44] <ogra> yeah
[01:44] <\sh> well...i need access to a chroot on amd64 and ppc ;)
[01:44] <ajmitch> if I was rich, I'd let you ;)
[01:45] <ajmitch> since I'm not, I don't have amd64 or ppc
[01:52] <\sh> ogra: u have amd64...
[01:53] <ogra> \sh, i have a amd64 that shuts down after about 1min compiling
[01:53] <Lathiat> heh
[01:53] <Lathiat> need a bgruuntier fan
[01:53] <\sh> hmmm
[01:53] <\sh> does sf.net has amd64 at their compile farm?
[01:54] <ogra> i have hairdryer for that, but i've given up to compile on this thing if its avoidable
[01:54] <\sh> a
[01:54] <\sh> ha
[01:54] <\sh> reading readme helps a lot...
[01:54] <Lathiat> documentation is for whimps
[01:54] <Lathiat> real men just kick it till it works
[01:55] <Lathiat> this is why men dont really achieve much in general
[01:55] <\sh> ogra: amd64 and static linking? issues? i don't have any exp with amd64 ;)
[01:55] <ogra> \sh, i'll look at it if i find time...
[02:00] <Mithrandir> \sh: I just fixed your account on ravel
[02:01] <\sh> Mithrandir: what account? ,-)
[02:01] <Mithrandir> \sh: amd64 account, like the one you asked for the other day.
[02:01] <\sh> ah :) didn't read my emails
[02:02] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx a lot :)
[02:02] <Mithrandir> you know it's bad when the fstab of a host is 73 lines
[02:02] <Lathiat> heh
[02:02] <Nafallo> lol
[02:02] <Lathiat> how the hell did that haepmn
[02:03] <Mithrandir> chroots and bind mounts
[02:04] <\sh> ogra: ok...u fooled me
[02:05] <ogra> me ?
[02:05] <ogra> never ;)
[02:05] <thom> 11:25 ~% wc -l /etc/fstab
[02:05] <thom> 55 /etc/fstab
[02:05] <thom> and that's my desktop
[02:05] <ogra> ugh
[02:05] <\sh> thats the reason why they renewed the autotools stuff
[02:05] <\sh> i just had a look into gentoo dar ebuild
[02:05] <\sh> autoreconf
[02:05] <\sh> libtoolize
[02:05] <\sh> libtoolize --copy --force || die
[02:06] <\sh>         # fix build on amd64
[02:06] <\sh> :)
[02:06] <ogra> but it should happen on build time.... not by including the config.{sub,guess} in the diff
[02:07] <\sh> ogra: i tried everything to avoid this, but if you copy config.{sub,guess} via runtime, after debdiff there is a change
[02:08] <\sh> cause those files are already there.
[02:08] <\sh> or I remove it from the diff at all
[02:08] <\sh> by hand
[02:09] <\sh> what do u think?
[02:09] <ogra> \sh, if they are in the diff, it indicates that you changed it...so make sure you dont change it ;) i.e. if it happens during the clean target, look if you cant move it to the configure target...
[02:10] <ogra> there are too any packages abusing the clean target imho.... poker3d is the worst i've seen so far
[02:10] <ogra> s/any/many/
[02:11] <\sh> ogra: I tried...config.{guess,sub} are in the orig.tar.gz, it doesn't change anything if I copy them via configure target or via clean
[02:11] <ogra> \sh, it should.... because you dont run configure if you make the source package
[02:12] <ogra> ... but clean is run....
[02:14] <\sh> lets try
[02:15] <\sh> some advise concerning running autreconf and libtoolize in the configure target?
[02:15] <ogra> not from my side if it doesnt break it :)
[02:15] <ogra> just make sure that "clean:" really only cleans :)
[02:16] <\sh> yeah...:)
[02:16] <\sh> lets check this version first...
[02:19] <\sh> Mithrandir: breezy == amd64 or jbailey-breezy-amd64 ? :)
[02:19] <jbailey> \sh: Please don't play with my chroot. =)
[02:20] <\sh> jbailey: ok :) this is enough info ;)
[02:20] <jbailey> \sh: My chroots tend to have things like really experimental glibc's loaded into them. =)
[02:20] <Mithrandir> \sh: hmm, I think I debootstrapped the wrong arch :/
[02:20] <Mithrandir> give me a few minutes to fix
[02:20] <\sh> Mithrandir: no problem :)
[02:21] <\sh> Mithrandir: and if you have time, i need at least these packages as build-deps (if they aren't already on it): zlib1g-dev, libattr1-dev, libbz2-dev, e2fslibs-dev, libssl-dev, autotools-dev
[02:24] <Mithrandir> don't separate them with , :P
[02:25] <Mithrandir> anyhow, installed
[02:26] <Mithrandir> anything else?
[02:30] <ogra> Mithrandir, heh, you lazy copy paster....
[02:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: dude, I'm a sysadmin.  Of course I'm lazy.
[02:30] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx :) not right now ;)
[02:30] <ogra> hmm, i thought that was a privilege of programmers :)
[02:31] <Mithrandir> ogra: sysadmins are even more lazy than programmers. :)
[02:31] <ogra> hehe
[02:31] <Mithrandir> but, I should be writing my thesis, not mucking around on IRC.
[02:31] <Mithrandir> see you around later.
[02:31] <\sh> Mithrandir: ah
[02:31] <\sh> dchroot -c breezy -d
[02:32] <\sh> dchroot: getpwnam failed for shermann in breezy chroot, aborting.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> fixed
[02:32] <\sh> thx :)
[02:32] <Mithrandir> (you want a user in the chroot too?  slacker! ;-)
[04:25] <ogra> \sh, ping
[04:25] <ogra> siretart, ping
[04:25] <siretart> ogra: lucky, I just wanted to log out ;)
[04:25] <ogra> siretart, you want to get approved today for MOTUness ?
[04:26] <siretart> ogra: I think I could help, so, yes
[04:26] <siretart> why do you ask?
[04:26] <ogra> siretart, then please put yourself on the agenda.... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[04:26] <ogra> \sh, the same goes for you ^^^^^^^^^
[04:27] <siretart> ogra: ah, I thought being on MaintainerCandidates would suffice
[04:27] <siretart> will do, thanks for pointing out!
[04:27] <ogra> nope, you should be on the agenda too...
[04:27] <siretart> on my way home, will do from there.
[04:27] <siretart> cu later
[04:29] <\sh> ogra: pong
[04:29] <\sh> ogra: I'm on the MaintainerList
[04:29] <\sh> isn't it enough?
[04:30] <ogra> \sh, please put yourself on the agenda too
[04:30] <\sh> k...at the bottom?
[04:31] <\sh> or under astharot?
[04:32] <ogra> wherever you like
[04:32] <Amaranth> as soon as pyxdg 0.11 gets into main can someone sponsor my smeg package?
[04:32] <Amaranth> it passed lintian with no warnings or errors
[04:33] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.6.2/ wasn't sure what was needed so i uploaded everything
[04:35] <ogra> .dsc diff.gz and orig.tar.gz :)
[04:35] <Amaranth> all there
[04:36] <Amaranth> this version supports KDE, it rocks :)
[04:36] <Lathiat> whatd you do to do that
[04:37] <Amaranth> do you really want to know? it's ugly
[04:37] <Lathiat> yes
[04:37] <\sh> Amaranth: the gnome people will kiss your feet for this tool ;)
[04:37] <Lathiat> im still wondering why gnome has its own
[04:38] <Lathiat> and then theres smeg
[04:38] <Amaranth> Lathiat: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5e1qhs46.html
[04:38] <\sh> they will hail you, they will call u "god" ;)
[04:38] <Amaranth> gnome didn't have its own when i started
[04:38] <Lathiat> thats my point.
[04:38] <Amaranth> mark wants a simple editor for the builtin gnome one
[04:38] <Amaranth> appearently the plan is to have it come up on right click on the menu and basically only do what it does now
[04:38] <ogra> does he ?
[04:38] <Amaranth> that's how he made it sound
[04:39] <\sh> hmm..gnome 2.10 doesn't have one ;) at least it's not working for the freedesktop specs
[04:39] <Amaranth> me and manny get to fight for the advanced editor spot
[04:39] <ogra> \sh, nope, but 2.12
[04:39] <Lathiat> manny?
[04:39] <Amaranth> \sh: nope, that's why i wrote this
[04:39] <Amaranth> christian me<can't spell it, french>
[04:39] <Amaranth> err, Nesomething
[04:39] <Lathiat> he wrote one too?
[04:39] <\sh> ogra: 2.12 is ready for include?
[04:39] <Amaranth> gnome-menu-editor in gnome's CVS
[04:39] <ogra> \sh, 2.12 will b in breezy....
[04:40] <Lathiat> b b in b reezy
[04:40] <ogra> \sh, i guess right after the CXX and X transitions are done
[04:40] <Amaranth> \sh: smeg works on hoary too, with a couple of extra packages :)
[04:40] <\sh> ogra: u see..I'm not up2date with gnome :(
[04:42] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Did you look at my KDE theme code?
[04:42] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Makes me want to puke.
[04:42] <Lathiat> Amaranth: :)
[04:42] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i've written worse
[04:42] <Amaranth> so have i, look at the rest of smeg ;)
[04:42] <Lathiat> i had this irc server
[04:42] <Lathiat> that linked into a network
[04:42] <Lathiat> (the one i was running)
[04:42] <Lathiat> to detect and nuke floodnets, etc
[04:42] <Lathiat> and uh, yeh that was rather horrid python
[04:42] <Amaranth> heh
[04:43] <Amaranth> my hack for loading debian menu icons is really bad copy and paste crap
[04:43] <Amaranth> trying to load debian menu icons with my new setup for loading icons was taking 10 seconds
[04:44] <Amaranth> since the icons don't exist it was searching once in the kde theme, once in the gnome theme, and twice in hicolor
[04:44] <Amaranth> for each icon
[04:44] <Lathiat> heh
[04:54] <\sh> ogra: now it goes...my try to compile dar on amdt64 ;)
[04:54] <ogra> hope you have the hour it takes to compile it ;)
[04:55] <\sh> ogra: just finished ;)
[04:55] <ogra> ah, yes, my build machine is a pIII 900....might be somewhat different
[04:56] <\sh> ogra: hehe...but my laptop is glowing just because it's burning :)
[04:57] <ogra> heh
[04:58] <\sh> strike
[04:58] <\sh> done...dar is compiling on amd64
[04:59] <\sh> so I can go home...and upload later the patch :)
[05:00] <\sh> guys...laters :) bus is waiting :)
[05:00] <ogra> not the patch, the packet ;)
[05:04] <thom> ogra: any ideas on monodevelop for amd64? ;-)
[05:05] <ogra> thom, its working great... :)
[05:05] <ogra> tseng nd i talked about which mono apps should go to main....
[05:05] <thom> ogra: ... in breezy? ;-)
[05:05] <ogra> yep
[05:06] <ogra> beagle should be one...and eithe f-spot or monodevelop the second
[05:06] <Treenaks> f-spot is nice.. if you don't have an existing photo library
[05:06] <thom> i'd say all three and tomboy too
[05:06] <Treenaks> categorising an existing library is hell
[05:06] <ogra> (havent tried the 0.7 build yet)
[05:06] <ogra> thom, this many ?
[05:06] <thom> ogra: sure, why not?
[05:06] <Treenaks> ogra: if you can get them, why not
[05:07] <ogra> we have to care for all of them in main then...
[05:07] <ogra> i'd rather go with a small amount at the start and raise the number later...
[05:07] <thom> i don't see the point of having a totally artificial split and those four are imho the core mono apps
[05:07] <Amaranth> i agree
[05:08] <ogra> but what about blam for example ?
[05:08] <ogra> or muine
[05:08] <ogra> i guess they should stay in universe
[05:08] <Amaranth> heh, i use both of those
[05:08] <Amaranth> but having them in universe isn't a problem, most people don't use them
[05:08] <ogra> but we have a music player in the default install...lets avoid redundancys
[05:09] <Burgundavia> blam is a mess
[05:09] <Burgundavia> and muine is dup
[05:09] <Amaranth> yeah, i agreed with leaving them in universe :)
[05:09] <Burgundavia> and violates the Ubuntu one good app
[05:09] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: what's wrong with blam?
[05:09] <ogra> its crashy
[05:09] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, a mess internally, c and C#
[05:09] <ogra> like f-spot on amd64 still is :( sadly....
[05:09] <Amaranth> 1.8.0 is, hallski says a lot of that is fixed in CVS
[05:10] <ogra> Burgundavia, worse c++ and c#
[05:10] <Burgundavia> ogra, are you serious? I thought it was C
[05:10] <ogra> thats why we cant update it atm
[05:10] <Amaranth> he only uses C++ for mozilla, dunno why he doesn't use gtkmozembed
[05:11] <ogra> i have no idea either
[05:12] <Amaranth> something about fonts
[05:12] <Amaranth> and not getting enough control from C#
[05:15] <ivoks> hm... couple of ogras here :)
[05:16] <ogra> ivoks, only two
[05:17] <ivoks> two make couple :)
[05:17] <ogra> sure... and we love each other, arent we ?
[05:18] <ogra_> indeed :)
[05:19] <ivoks> :)
[05:20] <ivoks> hm... this sounds like case for certain doctors :)
[05:20] <ivoks> multiple persons in one man :)
[05:21] <ogra> as long as we coexist in a friendy manner we dont need a doctor....
[05:21] <ogra_> thats what _you_ think hehe
[05:21] <ogra> quiet now !
[05:21] <ogra_> ok
[05:22] <ivoks> i see you don't have anything better to do :)
[05:22] <ogra> i have... but eve we need breaks sometimes :)
[05:22] <Treenaks> ogra: wow, you cloned yourself ;)
[05:22] <Treenaks> ogra: now you can upload twice as fast!
[05:23] <ogra> Treenaks, yeah... to get more work done :)
[05:23] <Treenaks> (or at least, twice as much packages)
[05:23] <ogra> but he is to shy, he doesnt show the others to us ;)
[05:24] <ivoks> :)
[05:24] <ivoks> i think doko lives in china
[05:24] <ivoks> and has all the free labour
[05:25] <ivoks> :)
[05:25] <Burgundavia> what the heck pacakge is glx.h in?
[05:25] <ivoks> libgl-dev
[05:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, apt-file search glx.h ?
[05:27] <Burgundavia> ogra, love to, but it doesn't like breezy right now
[05:27] <ogra> whoops, oh, yes, its on my todo list... sorry
[05:27] <Burgundavia> np
[05:27] <Burgundavia> I run breezy, I can accept the annoyances
[06:10] <Amaranth> pyxdg 0.11 has hit main, who wants to do smeg? :)
[06:11] <Amaranth> i have a diff.gz, dsc, and orig.tar.gz at http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/0.6.2/
[06:30] <GheRivero> res people
[07:02] <herve> hi!
[07:07] <Nafallo> hi herve! how's life? :-)
[07:07] <herve> fine
[07:08] <herve> and how is going in Nafallo's land? :-)
[07:09] <Nafallo> herve: except irritating parents that think I should seek work on places out of reach? ;-)
[07:10] <herve> a polite way to ask you to leave the familial nest? :-)
[07:10] <Nafallo> herve: naah, already out of there :-). more like stupidity and lack of reading and understanding on their side ;-).
[07:11] <herve> they won't get what your job consists of?
[07:11] <herve> I know that :-)
[07:12] <Nafallo> herve: well, they just want me to survive. they forgot that I have to be at the work or something ;-).
[07:13] <Nafallo> herve: or more likely, they trust my grandfathers words more than me reading the requirments on the companys homepage ;-)
[07:14] <herve> trusting a webpage more than you? ouch! :-)
[07:14] <Nafallo> herve: nope. I trust a webpage more than my grandfather ;-).
[07:15] <Nafallo> herve: I should just ignore that job. I can't even find the address on the map for heavens sake ;-).
[07:16] <herve> speaking of trust... heh
[07:16] <Nafallo> herve: well. you /have/ heard about the web of trust, right? ;-)
[07:17] <Nafallo> herve: maybe this wasn't what it meant though :-P
[07:18] <herve> dholbach showed me a website where you can see the distance between two keys
[07:18] <herve> fun to see there are only 4 people between us, while we never meet
[07:18] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:20] <Nafallo> there should be a package for that somewhere :-)
[07:20] <ivoks> herve: my idol :)
[07:21] <herve> ivols: my... er, fellow brother of maintaining!
[07:21] <Nafallo> herve: keyanalyze. that's the package ;-).
[07:22] <herve> Nafallo, it draws a graph of "dependencies"?
[07:22] <Nafallo> tseng: hiya :-)
[07:22] <herve> well, a graph shortlu
[07:22] <Nafallo> herve: It produces output suitable for placing on a web site showing which keys have signed which other keys.
[07:22] <herve> ivoks and shortly, even
[07:22] <Nafallo> herve: something like that ;-)
[07:23] <herve> soon to be seen, the worldmap of gpg keys!
[07:23] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:24] <ivoks> :)
[07:24] <Nafallo> herve: I should have looked at the recommends instead of the text ;-)
[07:24] <Nafallo> herve: that one should produce graphs indeed ;-).
[07:26] <herve> if you know the coordinates
[07:26] <herve> you could place it on a worldmap
[07:29] <Nafallo> we have to extend the gpg keydata ;-)
[07:32] <Nafallo> hehehe
[07:45] <siretart> ok. i'm off. will be back at 2045. cu at the meeting! :)
[07:45] <tseng|work> meeting?
[07:45] <siretart> TB meeting
[07:45] <tseng|work> oh wow
[07:46] <tseng|work> i thought it was another week
[07:46] <Nafallo> siretart: 40 _YEARS_!? are you kidding me?
[07:46] <siretart> Nafallo: lol. :)
[07:46] <siretart> tseng|work: it's a special review candidates meeting. (and I cannot attend on time :( )
[07:47] <herve> I'm confident
[07:47] <herve> and you're a DD, no?
[07:48] <siretart> herve: I maintain 2 packages in debian. but im no DD
[07:49] <herve> okay, but still
[07:49] <herve> you have a background talking for you
[07:49] <siretart> I hope I make it quicker, but I cannot promise. . woah its late. gotta go. CU
[07:49] <herve> ++
[07:50] <Nafallo> siretart: see you
[08:00] <\sh> re
[08:01] <tseng|work> so the meeting is in 2 hours?
[08:01] <\sh> yepp
[08:06] <tseng|work> hey who was talking about wxWidgets the other day?
[08:06] <tseng|work> 2.6
[08:07] <zul> crimsun wasnt it?
[08:07] <tseng|work> beats me
[08:08] <tseng|work> it looks like the linux waste client needs it
[08:15] <\sh> ogra: last patch + upload cycle for "dar" for you?
[08:15] <\sh> updated patch is in bugzilla
[08:18] <dholbach> hellas!
[08:19] <\sh> hey dholbach
[08:19] <dholbach> hey \sh
[08:19] <ogra> \sh, we should probably wait.... might be that you can upload it yourself tomorrow ;)
[08:20] <\sh> ogra: lazy dog ;)
[08:20] <herve> hi thom
[08:20] <ogra> heh
[08:20] <herve> ogra, did you set an arch repository up for cputmp, yet? ;-)
[08:21] <ogra> nope, not yet.... i was nearly the whole day busy sorting the drama of yesterday
[08:22] <ogra> and my inbox bursts from italian mails....
[08:22] <herve> what drama?
[08:22] <herve> *that* was a drama?
[08:22] <herve> well yes, getting mailbombed is a drama
[08:24] <\sh> italian mails?
[08:25] <ogra> herve, yes, it was, and we both behaved wrong....
[08:26] <herve> not to the point of being attacked
[08:26] <herve> because we asked for a source package?
[08:26] <ogra> herve, i dont get mailbombed, i'm just discussing with thesaltydog and abelli....
[08:27] <ogra> herve, nope because we didnt behave like we should
[08:27] <herve> ha ok, I spoke with abelli in PV yesterday afterwards
[08:27] <dholbach> the atmosphere was not really inviting
[08:29] <herve> there were problems on both sides
[08:29] <ogra> yep
[08:29] <dholbach> yes, it all went unfortunately wrong
[08:29] <dholbach> but we should agree on being as patient as possible
[08:30] <dholbach> and when it's hard, just turn away from the conversation for some minutes :-)
[08:31] <herve> yeah, you could have a pizza burning!
[08:33] <herve> Nafallo, your parents again?
[08:33] <Nafallo> herve: xorg :-P
[08:38] <herve> you mean, you're addicted of daily upgrading as I am? :-)
[08:39] <Nafallo> naah, hourly or less ;-)
[08:39] <\sh> ahhh...arkrpg starting to build for the first time
[08:39] <herve> is there a doctor in the audience? :-)
[08:40] <herve> \sh, the miracle of nature :-)
[08:40] <\sh> herve: the miracle of xorg
[08:40] <herve> hmm... looks like listening to nausicaa's ost is having side effects on me
[08:41] <thom> 19 works alright for me
[08:41] <Nafallo> -17 -18 -19 -20 is borked here ;-)
[08:41] <\sh> we will see
[08:42] <thom> (admittedly i had to fix up some stuff to make it work right, but it does now)
[08:43] <dholbach> thom: but the ctrl-<key>--stuff is still borked for you, isnt it?
[08:43] <thom> dholbach: it's got better since -17, but yes still borken
[08:44] <Nafallo> hmm, my modeline is gone :-P
[08:44] <dholbach> i sent a mail to unfrgiven !5! times, because i wanted to ctrl-c ctrl-v something (and evolution took it for "ok to send this")
[08:44] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:45] <dholbach> ok... i didnt have my first coffee then
[08:45] <herve> Nafallo, modelines? I thought it disappeared with xfree3 !
[08:45] <\sh> argl...xorg is forget it ;)
[08:45] <\sh> the deps are again b0rked
[08:46] <Nafallo> herve: not for my widescreen atleast. everything looks real bad now :-P
[08:46] <herve> someone knows which xorg fedora core will include?
[08:46] <thom> dholbach: hahah, that's pretty cool
[08:46] <herve> or will ubuntu have the most rocking one? :-)
[08:46] <thom> herve: fc4 will have 6.8.2 aiui
[08:47] <dholbach> herve: we will have the most rocking one of course
[08:47] <dholbach> :)
[08:47] <herve> hmm... making me think of something
[08:47] <herve> but this will more probably take place on #u-d
[08:47] <herve> that some folks from fedora team attend #u-b
[08:48] <herve> and the other way round
[08:48] <herve> so we share work, ideas, and code of course
[08:48] <thom> #u-b ?
[08:48] <herve> -devel I mean
[08:48] <thom> *phew*
[08:48] <herve> what is -b?
[08:49] <Nafallo> brb
[08:49] <thom> idunno, you wrote it!
[08:49] <dholbach> thom was already afraid he missed something :-)
[08:49] <herve> ha ok, I wondered what he was relieved about :-)
[08:49] <thom> dholbach: i was terrified of more irc channels ;-)
[08:49] <ogra> thom you dont know #ubuntu-belgianbeer ?
[08:49] <dholbach> haha
[08:49] <herve> ogra, if only...
[08:49] <thom> ;-)
[08:49] <dholbach> #ubuntu-beginners... that one was discussed
[08:49] <ogra> argh
[08:50] <ogra> horrible
[08:50] <thom> ogra: anyway, #u-britishbeer would be far better
[08:50] <herve> hmm... leffe
[08:50] <Nafallo> yay! thinks are back :-)
[08:50] <herve> dholbach, "en terrasse" of course!
[08:50] <dholbach> ogra: you're really close to belgium, aren't you
[08:50] <dholbach> herve: :)
[08:50] <ogra> thom, i'd vote for #ubuntu-VB
[08:50] <dholbach> haha... yes! :-)
[08:50] <ogra> dholbach, yep
[08:50] <thom> ogra: man, you germans have no taste in beer :P
[08:50] <ogra> lol
[08:50] <dholbach> haahahahahaha
[08:51] <dholbach> argl... gtkmm is utterly broken
[08:51] <dholbach> the old old old one
[08:52] <\sh> thom: WHAT?!!?!?!?!
[08:52] <\sh> thom: I drink Guinness
[08:52] <Nafallo> hmm, the channel was really there :-P
[08:52] <ogra> Nafallo, sure.... thats where the secret meetings go on ;)
[08:52] <dholbach> shhh ogra
[08:52] <ogra> heh
[08:53] <tseng|work> oh man i missed the secret
[08:53] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:53] <\sh>  /mode \sh +i
[08:53] <dholbach> ogra ogra ogra...
[08:53] <dholbach> :-)
[08:53] <tseng|work> dholbach: say oliver grawert 3 times fast
[08:53] <lamont> mjpegtools (multiverse) is FTBFS: non-PIC in shared lib (amd64 should fail)
[08:53] <lamont> and ia64, and hppa.
[08:54] <tseng|work> non pic cflags, or non pic assembler?
[08:54] <\sh> thomas anders thomas anders thomas anders ,-)
[08:55] <\sh> hahaha
[08:56] <\sh> when I first saw oliver in our ISH catine, I was wonderin where dieter bohlen is sitting or if he was waiting for nora ;)
[08:56] <tseng|work> german humor...
[08:56] <thom> did they put something in the water in germany today?
[08:56] <ogra> \sh, so you want to become a MOTU today ?
[08:57] <ogra> \sh, who should vouch for you ?
[08:57] <ogra> *g*
[08:57] <herve> me!
[08:57] <herve> :-p
[08:57] <\sh> ogra: well, then u have to upload my patches tomorrow ;)
[08:57] <tseng|work> thom: the wind is coming to strongly from france
[08:57] <ogra> tseng|work, hahahahaha
[08:57] <Nafallo> lol
[08:57] <herve> french, not to be trusted!
[08:57] <thom> tseng|work: *g*
[08:58] <herve> sorry guys, I don't support your war!
[08:58] <\sh> what war?
[08:58] <\sh> oh yes
[08:58] <herve> don't pay attention, french humour!
[08:58] <\sh> i forgot :)
[09:03] <\sh> btw...is there a "ubuntu webapplications" project?
[09:03] <thom> ARGH YOU SAID THE W WORD
[09:03] <jbailey> Thom "Stay away from the W, mofo" May...
[09:05] <tseng|work> \sh: dude you should totally start one
[09:05] <tseng|work> and make installing webapps from .deb not totally f'n random
[09:05] <tseng|work> fix moinmoin first
[09:06] <tseng|work> the install is complete shithouse
[09:06] <Burgundavia> \sh, add koha to your list of apps to package
[09:06] <thom> \sh: you're only allowed to create webapps in ubuntu in lisp. that's the ubuntu webapplications project. rewrite the web in lisp
[09:06] <\sh> *dead*
[09:07] <Nafallo> lol
[09:07] <ivoks> so... now we open champaigne?
[09:07] <ivoks> meeting today? at midnight :)
[09:07] <ogra> thom, what about all the assembler cgi's ?
[09:08] <tseng|work> its in 1 hour
[09:08] <\sh> and I thought I could beat the gentoo guys, with their shitty webapps philosophy
[09:08] <Nafallo> ivoks: then that's tomorrow ;-)
[09:08] <dholbach> tseng: that's the TB meeting
[09:08] <tseng|work> \sh: uh dude, what gentoo has is a ton better than us atm IMO
[09:08] <thom> ogra: only if it's s390 assembler
[09:08] <tseng|work> \sh: its consistant, if nothing else
[09:08] <\sh> tseng: not the webapps...its a pain in da ass
[09:08] <ogra> thom, i nearly lbought one last week
[09:08] <dholbach> thom: why do you want to cause so much pain...
[09:09] <tseng|work> thom: but what about all those people using m68k
[09:09] <thom> dholbach: webapps are always pain. i just wish to ensure that everyone is on an equal footing
[09:09] <Burgundavia> thom, there are probably laws against that sort of thing
[09:09] <ogra> thom, for only 250 , including the maintenance laptop
[09:09] <dholbach> thom: ok... agreed :-)
[09:09] <ogra> thom, but additionally 300 for shipping .... :(
[09:09] <\sh> ogra: s390?
[09:09] <thom> (can you tell i used to be a sysadmin at a web host?)
[09:09] <ogra> yep
[09:09] <\sh> ogra: move towards the airport
[09:10] <thom> ogra: and 1 million dollars for the electricity and cooling and the extension for your house?
[09:10] <dholbach> ogra: get an anhaenger, drive to bielefeld and you're set :-)
[09:10] <herve> webapps? do you need an expert? :-)
[09:10] <\sh> ogra: redhats s390 was in the basement of the redhat office building...and when the metro train wasn't there u could here the s390 ;)
[09:10] <tseng|work> i need someone to make the moinmoin debs not suck
[09:11] <tseng|work> you have to read a few screens full of instructions to use the software post install
[09:11] <\sh> debconf is not difficult
[09:11] <ogra> thom, i probably would have only used the beautiful rack.... my GF wants my 2meter 19" glass cabinet for her tomatos
[09:11] <ivoks> buuuu... i'm all alone un #ubuntu.hr
[09:11] <dholbach> \sh: i saw the extra powersupplies for the otto/karstadt/quelle/... s390s :-)
[09:11] <ogra> ivoks, use a dash, not a dot ;)
[09:11] <ivoks> :)
[09:11] <ivoks> same thing - noone :)
[09:11] <\sh> dholbach: extraordinary :)
[09:12] <ivoks> no, wait, one freek camed :)
[09:12] <herve> now I'm alone on #u-hr :(
[09:12] <dholbach> \sh: they had a ship and a tank engine with some 20000 litres of fuel, and a room full of batteries, that was funny - everything was a buzz
[09:13] <ivoks> #u.hr
[09:14] <ogra> dholbach, visit \sh at ish GmbH and look at their powersupplys.... or better watch a movie on the 20m screen in the NOC ;)
[09:14] <\sh> dholbach: when I was starting with my it carreer...there was one fresh fruit and vegetables whole saler...he went bankrupt because of the ibms mainframe machines...
[09:15] <dholbach> :-/
[09:15] <\sh> hehe
[09:15] <\sh> i have some pics of the NOC :)
[09:15] <\sh> moment
[09:16] <dholbach> ok... who fixes old gtkmm?
[09:16] <ogra> mrogue ?
[09:16] <herve> it took me a week to transition a single package...
[09:16] <dholbach> ogra: unfortunately not
[09:16] <dholbach> ogra: there are some packages still depending on it
[09:17] <ogra> then morgue them too.... who needs them...
[09:17] <ogra> its just software :)
[09:17] <ogra> <--- kidding
[09:17] <herve> yeah, we have plenty of them!
[09:17] <\sh> http://shermann.blogweb.de/uploads/pictures/DSCN0014.jpg
[09:17] <herve> hey! what happened to my <joke> tags!
[09:17] <dholbach> it's all about 0s and 1s... it's silly making such a fuss
[09:18] <\sh> http://shermann.blogweb.de/uploads/pictures/DSCN0037.jpg
[09:18] <herve> \sh, take care with politics here
[09:18] <\sh> herve: politics?
[09:19] <herve> strange...
[09:19] <herve> I see twice your blog
[09:19] <herve> not your photographs
[09:19] <\sh> oh
[09:19] <\sh> security feature
[09:19] <\sh> strange
[09:19] <\sh> new in s9y 8.1
[09:19] <\sh> 0.8.1
[09:19] <\sh> sorry
[09:19] <dholbach> herve: me too
[09:19] <\sh> this is a feature
[09:20] <\sh> a new feature
[09:20] <\sh> hmm...
[09:20] <\sh> moment
[09:20] <dholbach> of course, bugs are never bugs... they're features :-)
[09:20] <herve> there's the salt of using software!
[09:20] <herve> the pepper, would say some morons ;-)
[09:21] <\sh> dholbach: i have to report it :)
[09:22] <dholbach> ha... murrayc will love this, i'll tell him to fix a bug in some code of 2002-04-14 :-)
[09:23] <\sh> coffee time
[09:26] <\sh> ok
[09:26] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/
[09:28] <herve> \sh, so what did you want us to see?
[09:28] <\sh> herve: \sh pictures...
[09:28] <herve> all? :-)
[09:28] <\sh> dholbach should see the NOC :)
[09:29] <\sh> herve: oh well..I don't want you to see my nude pictures ;)
[09:29] <herve> and the screen wall?
[09:29] <herve> alas!
[09:29] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/?g2_navId=x1a83f40f
[09:29] <ivoks> see you in 2.5 hours
[09:29] <ivoks> or is meeting sooner? :)
[09:29] <\sh> ivoks: why don't u attend also for the TB?
[09:29] <ivoks> when is that one?
[09:30] <ogra> 30min
[09:30] <\sh> 8pm UTC
[09:30] <ivoks> 30min...
[09:30] <ivoks> huh...
[09:30] <ivoks> no time for sleep :)
[09:30] <ivoks> i'll come ;0
[09:30] <ivoks> bye
[09:30] <\sh> herve: looks nice the wall...
[09:31] <\sh> sunday we had F1 running on the middle of the screen
[09:32] <\sh> ogra: btw...the first row is now completly full...the voice & hsi techs (henning and thomas) and farid and frank z. are sitting now in front of me
[09:32] <herve> \sh, you're at work?
[09:32] <ogra> oh, they moved down ?
[09:32] <\sh> ogra: george and ian are sitting now next to frank f. and rochus and craig sitting where henning and thomas were
[09:32] <\sh> herve: no
[09:33] <herve> ha, you're just explaining :-)
[09:33] <\sh> ogra: no voice & hsi techs ops
[09:34] <\sh> herve: and if you check the pics of http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermann/LUUSA/20050224/?g2_navId=x1a83f40f
[09:34] <\sh> there r also some interessting people on :)
[09:35] <\sh> one php5 book author
[09:35] <\sh> a phpmyadmin/s9y dev
[09:35] <\sh> some freebsd hackers
[09:36] <herve> that's why they look like zombies?
[09:36] <herve> ha no wait
[09:36] <herve> that's the red eyes :)-
[09:36] <\sh> haha :)
[09:37] <\sh> lucky for me, that i secured my dubai and za photos :)
[09:44] <tseng|work> what is s9y
[09:45] <herve> serependity, no?
[09:45] <tseng|work> oh
[09:45] <tseng|work> yes.. blog stuff
[09:45] <herve> some name like that
[09:45] <\sh> yeah...serendipity
[09:45] <\sh> has a relationship to the movie "serendipity"
[09:45] <herve> I was close :-)
[09:46] <\sh> herve: this mistake i did also in the past
[09:46] <\sh> I made ;
[09:46] <\sh> not did
[09:47] <\sh> everytime this english russian romanian german slangish style of writing and speaking..I need to have a nice holiday in the UK
[09:48] <herve> don't tell me...
[09:49] <\sh> the team at my company: scottsman, russian, romanian and me ;)  it's really a nasty slang
[09:49] <\sh> but at least, everybody can understand each other ;)
[09:49] <\sh> new esperanto
[09:49] <herve> that's the essential :-)
[10:26] <tseng|work> garrr
[10:26] <tseng|work> we wasted so much time talking about f'n times i will have to leave any minute
[10:27] <dholbach> tseng|work: <Kamion> \sh: by the time people are coming up for maintainership approval, their contributions ought to be obvious even in absentia
[10:27] <tseng|work> yes
[10:29] <herve> night all
[10:30] <siretart> what happened? no quorum again?
[10:30] <tseng|work> of course not
[10:30] <tseng|work> its TIME
[10:33] <tseng|work> siretart: the quorum is fine this time
[10:33] <siretart> tseng|work: ah, I spotted mdz and keybuk. great :)
[10:34] <tseng|work> oh man..
[10:35] <tseng|work> this is painful
[10:37] <ogra> tseng|work, i tried, sorry
[10:37] <tseng|work> ok my ride is leaving
[10:37] <tseng|work> sorry.
[10:37] <tseng|work> thanks ogra
[10:38] <tseng|work> see you soon
[10:44] <lamont> libdc1394 needs xorg-path love
[10:47] <siretart> \sh: you said you knew how to proceed next, I'm a bit unsure, what did mdz mean earlier with that?
[10:47] <dholbach> do you have gpg keys already?
[10:48] <siretart> yeah, I got mine signed by 2 DDs
[10:48] <dholbach> excellent
[10:48] <dholbach> you will have to send the signed CoC to mako
[10:48] <siretart> ok
[10:48] <dholbach> and then tell elmo wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[10:49] <astharot> good evening! :)
[10:49] <dholbach> hey astharot!
[10:49] <dholbach> ROCKing NEW
[10:49] <siretart> hi astharot
[10:49] <dholbach> NEWS
[10:49] <\sh> what about "You will have to send signed mails, stating name, email adress you wish to use and who approved you on which date."
[10:49] <\sh> to whom? elmo?
[10:49] <astharot> (in my country it's evening eheh)
[10:50] <dholbach> \sh: wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[10:50] <\sh> dholbach: ok to uploads@ then :)
[10:51] <thom> oh man. we're letting all sorts of rabble upload to main now :P
[10:51] <dholbach> thank you thom
[10:52] <thom> dholbach: *g* congrats :-)
[10:52] <dholbach> :-)
[10:53] <\sh> dholbach: well done dude :)
[10:53] <dholbach> thank you :-)
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: what about your key?
[10:54] <\sh> so..we will have a lot of beer to drink at ogra's inn :)
[10:54] <\sh> dholbach: is coming ..:)
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: who signed it?
[10:54] <\sh> I'll need to translate the upload page ;)
[10:54] <\sh> ogra :)
[10:54] <dholbach> astharot: you have a signed key as well?
[10:54] <ogra> :)
[10:54] <astharot> dholbach: yes
[10:54] <dholbach> \sh: ah,... excellent
[10:54] <dholbach> astharot: cool
[10:54] <ivoks> great guys!
[10:55] <ivoks> contgrats to all
[10:55] <astharot> dholbach: I can send you a signed mail... so you can download the public key from a keyserver...
[10:55] <dholbach> hope we'll all see each other and sign keys :-)
[10:55] <siretart> actually, who receives mails to keyring@?
[10:56] <thom> elmo, probably
[10:56] <\sh> what can I send to keyring@?
[10:56] <astharot> dholbach: so tell me what to do :)
[10:56] <dholbach> astharot: send a signed CoC to mako
[10:56] <dholbach> astharot: then kindly read wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[10:56] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[10:56] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:56] <siretart> \sh: if I read Uploads correctly, thats where we are supposed to send the gpg key.
[10:57] <astharot> dholbach: already sent the CoC to mako
[10:57] <dholbach> rock
[10:57] <dholbach> eben better
[10:57] <astharot> and he confirmed my "membership" :)
[10:58] <siretart> I thought the signed key was required for membership already. I sent it to mako that time but never got response. anyway, will resend
[10:58] <ivoks> i hope one day i'll be like you, guys :)
[10:59] <dholbach> the key is essential for elmo to get it in the keyring
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: absolutely
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: you're member already?
[10:59] <ivoks> nope
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: or will we do that in next meeting?
[10:59] <\sh> dholbach: hes on the list for today
[10:59] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:59] <ivoks> i guess in an hour
[11:00] <\sh> siretart: u read on the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUOnceYouAreApproved the sentence after "Uploads"?
[11:01] <siretart> \sh: ah, thats the page I was searching for. thanks for the pointer!
[11:01] <ajmitch> ah well, I forgot there was a meeting today
[11:02] <ivoks> :)
[11:02] <ivoks> ajmitch: u missed all the joy and happines
[11:03] <dholbach> briefly: it all went well, VERY well
[11:04] <\sh> I hope i made it right now with this mail ;)
[11:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: in other words, you're aproved for main? ;)
[11:04] <dholbach> elmo and mako will tell you
[11:04] <dholbach> yes, tseng as well, \sh, siretart and astharot are fellow MOTUs
[11:05] <ogra> :-D
[11:05] <siretart> wooohoo! :)
[11:05] <ivoks> ajmitch: < Seveas> ahh, so that's why dholbach is approved for main: fast breakage
[11:05] <ivoks> :)
[11:05] <tritium> dholbach, congratulations!  Now don't forget to write that thesis and graduate ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> ajmitch: your work is ABSOLUTELY good enough for main stuff
[11:06] <ivoks> true
[11:06] <dholbach> tritium: thanks :-))
[11:06] <Nafallo> tritium: he has already graduated to main ;-)
[11:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: nah, I wouldn't want to break main
[11:06] <tritium> Nafallo, indeed
[11:08] <\sh> hmmm..should I send another email to uploads@ i send an email already to this address ;)
[11:08] <tritium> ajmitch, I too feel quite disconnected right now.  :(
[11:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's more fun :-)
[11:08] <dholbach> tritium: me too
[11:08] <dholbach> tritium: i just showed up for the meetings
[11:09] <dholbach> they're coming back :-)
[11:10] <ajmitch> so far I've hardly done anything on CXX Transition :(
[11:10] <tritium> dholbach, yes, they will...
[11:11] <ajmitch> ogra: I agree, wiki lists are evil for tracking transitions ;)
[11:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: me not much either
[11:11] <\sh> ajmitch: it's the wrong tool for those things
[11:11] <ajmitch> I always worry that I'm going to slip & break the wiki page when I edit
[11:12] <ogra> i'm just concerned about the huge amount of lost time
[11:12] <\sh> ajmitch: i did it the last time...i I didn't know why.. in the textarea everything looked fine..until I found out, there was a hidden char ;)
[11:13] <dholbach> if you all keep staring at the wiki instead of fixing package ;-p
[11:13] <astharot> dholbach: can I query you? :)
[11:13] <\sh> dholbach: it's a mess to jump between bugzilla and wiki
[11:13] <ogra> yep
[11:13] <ogra> absolutely
[11:13] <dholbach> astharot: fire away
[11:13] <\sh> RT or bugzilla / malone is just enough
[11:14] <dholbach> most guys don't want to use the bugtracker as a transitionhelper
[11:14] <ajmitch> RT sounds like it would work
[11:14] <ajmitch> I know jbailey has set it up before :)
[11:14] <ogra> dholbach, seb128 isnt "most guys" ;)
[11:15] <ogra> ajmitch, yep, tat was the plan after the last MOTU meeting...
[11:15] <ajmitch> ogra: which I also missed :(
[11:15] <ogra> but it will only help infuture transitions
[11:15] <\sh> ajmitch: it's a nice tool...easy to handle, good email handling
[11:15] <jbailey> ajmitch: Eh?
[11:15] <ajmitch> jbailey: haven't you done RT in your dark past?
[11:15] <ogra> jbailey, i think he muddles you with elmo
[11:15] <jbailey> Not so dark past.  I was working on CAnonical's RT install this morning.
[11:15] <ajmitch> aha
[11:16] <jbailey> ogra: Not hard.  We look quite alike.
[11:16] <ajmitch> heh
[11:16] <ogra> jbailey, could it be reached from the outside world ? to help MOTU ?
[11:16] <jbailey> ogra: The accent is also hard to distinguish. =)
[11:16] <\sh> ogra: no
[11:16] <ogra> hehe
[11:16] <jbailey> ogra: Just need elmo's approval on it, but I'd be happy with that.
[11:16] <\sh> ogra: we had this the last time :)
[11:16] <ajmitch> ogra: don't worry, I did know it was jbailey who had worked with RT
[11:16] <ogra> jbailey, ow, great.... if you need help to convince him, ping me
[11:17] <\sh> I was maintainer for RT at lycos ;) after remedy was thrown away ;)
[11:17] <jbailey> ogra: I'm also usually a sysadmin rather than a coder by trade. =)
[11:17] <ogra> jbailey, hmm... i'm still looking for a DBA for the hwdb ;)
[11:18] <ogra> else i have to do it mself :)
[11:18] <ogra> +y
[11:18] <jbailey> ogra: postgresql and I are not friends.
[11:18] <ogra> jbailey, sad.... we dont even know each other.... i saw her once on the other side of the road...
[11:18] <ogra> ;)
[11:19] <jbailey> ogra: She ain't pretty she just looks that way.
[11:19] <ogra> lol
[11:20] <ogra> i once had a little affair with oracle , but i had a DBA i could kick there...
[11:20] <\sh> ogra: u don't have an affair with oracle...u love her or u hate her
[11:21] <ogra> \sh, as long as i had william i didnt have to care much about the relationship ;)
[11:21] <\sh> and a woman who is behaving differently on three men -> I can't cope with her ;)
[11:22] <ogra> heh
[11:23] <\sh> ok..i updated the motu page
[11:23] <\sh> i send an email to keyring with teh data which is needed from https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUOnceYouAreApproved
[11:23] <\sh> I send an email to uploads@ long time ago
[11:23] <\sh> i should be ready
[11:23] <dholbach> uploads@ and keyring@ ?
[11:23] <\sh> coc is signed and mako approved it
[11:24] <dholbach> just ask elmo what happened with you, once he's awake again
[11:24] <\sh> dholbach: uploads@ for email whitelisting
[11:24] <\sh> and keyring@, cause I'm not sure if my gpg key is in ubuntus keyring
[11:24] <ivoks> ah... sweet wories :)
[11:25] <dholbach> \sh: no, not yet, but today you should send it :-)
[11:26] <\sh> dholbach: what to send? I send everything ;)
[11:26] <dholbach> sign it, tell that you were approved and you send a bouquet of flowers, if it all works out :-)
[11:27] <\sh> well, it's late and I'm old :) so I'm excused ;)
[11:27] <ogra> just send your key and mail uploads@
[11:27] <tseng> back
[11:27] <\sh> oh
[11:27] <tseng> is meeting still on?
[11:27] <\sh> ok
[11:27] <ogra> hey tseng
[11:27] <dholbach> welcome to main, tseng !
[11:27] <\sh> tseng: congrats :)
[11:28] <tseng> dholbach: yay!
[11:28] <tseng> thanks all
[11:28] <ogra> hey tseng youre MAINtainer
[11:28] <tseng> since i know you got it too :)
[11:28] <siretart> tseng: congratulations!
[11:28] <ogra> tseng, lets move MONO !!!!!
[11:28] <dholbach> :-)
[11:28] <ajmitch> well done tseng
[11:29] <ivoks> hehey
[11:29] <ivoks> another MAINer in here
[11:29] <ivoks> :)
[11:31] <tseng> ogra: now to get seeding :)
[11:31] <ogra> yep
[11:32] <\sh> ok..mail send to upload@
[11:32] <ajmitch> seems that we're losing all the MOTUs to main
[11:33] <ogra> ajmitch, there are new ones in the queue
[11:33] <dholbach> no.. you're not losing anyone
[11:34] <tseng> ajmitch: half my stuff is staying in universe probably
[11:34] <ogra> dholbach and i are bound to MOTU....
[11:34] <ajmitch> hi Unfrgiven
[11:34] <tseng> Unfrgiven: hiya
[11:34] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> good morning all
[11:35] <ogra> hey
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> im so pumped.... gonna become an offcial ubuntu member :)
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> hows everyone else?
[11:36] <dholbach> 07:36 at your place, Unfrgiven ?
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> yep :)
[11:36] <ogra> tseng, we'll have to decide what apps go to main, thim proposed to move nearly everything
[11:36] <ogra> thom even
[11:36] <tseng> ok
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> tseng did you become a main uploader?
[11:37] <tseng> Unfrgiven: yes
[11:37] <\sh> I promise I'm listening to the right music now :) Queen - Flash Gordon ;) An opera for heroes for a team of heroes :)
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> tseng: thats awesome! congrats
[11:37] <tseng> Unfrgiven: thanks dude.
[11:37] <tseng> \sh: that song is cool
[11:37] <tseng> FLASH! OOOOO-OH
[11:37] <\sh> tseng: 3GB of Queen mp3s right now and right here in my playlist
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> ok guys, im just going to drop off my wife to work and be right back for the CC meeting.
[11:37] <tseng> k
[11:38] <ajmitch> I hate it when the config.* stuff gets into the debdiff
[11:39] <\sh> hahaha
[11:39] <\sh> so i'm not the only loser ;)
[11:39] <\sh> it cost me 1 1/2 day to find a proper solution ;)
[11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: which package?
[11:41] <ajmitch> \sh: one that I just did a c++ transition on, why?
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: i had this problem with "dar" (also cxx trans)
[11:42] <ajmitch> I haven't exactly got a 'proper' solution for it
[11:42] <\sh> btw...u heard about http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GCC4CommonProblems
[11:43] <\sh> ?
[11:45] <ajmitch> and what did you do to fix it?
[11:46] <\sh> well, I copied new config.* in the configuration section of rules
[11:46] <\sh> that helped...after that I had this gettext error on amd64 and ia64 ... and put gettextize and autoreconf in the configure section...
[11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: ask ogra, he was forcing me too :)
[11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: and in "dar"s rules file, he copied the config.* stuff in the clean: target
[11:47] <ivoks> oh, crap :(
[11:47] <ogra> ajmitch, rather change the rules then provide a 1GB patch with config{sub,guess}
[11:48] <ivoks> o erased config. from my patches
[11:48] <ivoks> they are pointless
[11:50] <ajmitch> no, and it doesn't appear to tell me much ;)
[11:53] <ivoks> wrong button? ;)
[11:53] <\sh> ivoks: get a jabber account ;)
[11:54] <ivoks> \sh: ? what for? :)
[11:54] <ivoks> i have it
[11:54] <ajmitch> ivoks: no, freenode issues, of course :)
[11:54] <ivoks> it;s ivoks :)
[11:54] <\sh> ivoks<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:54] <ivoks> yes
[11:55] <\sh> ivoks: go online :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> \sh: so did you have a fix for the config.* getting trodden on? :)
[11:55] <\sh> ajmitch: show me the rule file :)
[11:56] <ivoks> there
[11:56] <\sh> ajmitch: send it via jabber or email :) jid<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:56] <ajmitch> why do you need to see it? :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> it's fairly standard
[11:57] <ivoks> it copies config.* from /usr/share/misc
[11:57] <\sh> ok...then try to find the config.* changes in the rule file (or patches) remove them (at least in the clean target) and copy them or autoreconf them in the configure target
[11:57] <ivoks> and that's in clean :)
[11:58] <\sh> yeah
[11:58] <\sh> remove it there
[11:58] <\sh> and put them in configure target
[11:58] <ajmitch> sounds evil
[11:58] <ivoks> the main thing is that it's after generating .dsc
[11:59] <\sh> yeah, cause debuild -S / debuild is calling: clean target first
[11:59] <ivoks> well... meeting
[11:59] <\sh> but configure target is not triggered for diff.gz
[12:01] <ogra> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/


[17:32] <xu-irc55w> hello, everyone.  May I trouble you with a very particular question?  It's a small detail, but I haven't been able to figure it out elsewhere.
[17:32] <xu-irc55w> I'd like folders and files to be listed separately when I go to open a file in some application.
[17:33] <xu-irc55w> In my normal file system (thunar 1.1.14), files and folders are already listed separately.
[17:34] <xu-irc55w> But in the "Open File" interface, they are not.
[17:34] <xu-irc55w> Thanks.
[17:36] <diogenes_> xu-irc55w, sudo apt install dconf-editor
[17:37] <diogenes_> org > gtk > settings > sort-directories-first
[17:39] <xu-irc55w> org > gtk > settings > file-chooser > sort-directories-first
[17:39] <xu-irc55w> Incredible!  Thank you diogenes_!!!
[17:40] <diogenes_> xu-irc55w, did it work?
[17:40] <xu-irc55w> yup
[17:40] <diogenes_> wonderful :)