[02:45] <Darxus> Why isn't the linux-meta source package part of the linux source package?
[02:50] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/447837
[02:50] <ubot3`> Malone bug 447837 in lm-sensors-3 "asus_atk0110 driver not enabled in kernel configuration by default" [Undecided,New]
[12:14] <hyperair> is there a way to change a kernel's CPU scheduler during runtime?
[12:16] <Darxus> hyperair: That's called pluggable schedulers.  It's been implimented, but mainstream won't accept it.
[12:16] <Darxus> They think variety is bad.
[12:16] <Darxus> I think they're wrong.
[12:16] <Darxus> hyperair: Why do you ask?
[12:17] <hyperair> well
[12:17] <hyperair> i just compiled a zen kernel
[12:17] <hyperair> and am runningi t
[12:17] <hyperair> and bfs is driving me up the wall
[12:17] <Darxus> Hah.
[12:17] <hyperair> so off i go back to my mainline kernels =)
[12:17] <hyperair> i'm just lazy to reboot
[12:17] <Darxus> I patched the linux source package with bfs.
[12:18] <hyperair> heh is it?
[12:18] <Darxus> I'm running it, no objections.
[12:18] <hyperair> how fun
[12:18] <hyperair> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 make-kpkg screws up my entire system =.=
[12:18] <Darxus> Well, I didn't patch the main package, I made a copy...
[12:18] <hyperair> mouse lagging win
[12:18] <Darxus> Er... weird.
[12:18] <Darxus> You should join #ck on irc.oftc.net.
[12:18] <hyperair> hmm?
[12:18] <hyperair> what's there?
[12:19] <Darxus> Everybody interested in bfs, it's the author's initials.
[12:19] <Darxus> I'm sure they would be interested in your feedback.
[12:19] <hyperair> hmm i see
[12:19] <hyperair> by the way, do you have a bfs patch against the 32-rc3 kernel?
[12:19] <Darxus> Nah, I just patched what's in ubuntu karmic.
[12:20] <hyperair> heh i see
[12:21] <Darxus> hyperair: The info about the packages is here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/424927
[12:21] <ubot3`> Malone bug 424927 in linux "[needs-packaging] include Brain fuck Scheduler" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[12:49] <AlanBell> hi all
[12:49] <AlanBell> I want to run Karmic on my OLPC
[12:49] <AlanBell> but the stock kernel won't drive the screen
[12:50] <AlanBell> I think my options are to recompile the ubuntu kernel with the .config from the olpc kernel
[12:50] <AlanBell> or to try and run karmic on top of the olpc/fedora kernel 2.6.25
[12:51] <AlanBell> which do you think would be the more promising approach?
[13:10] <Darxus> AlanBell: Either should be fine.
[13:10] <Darxus> I'd probably try the ubuntu kernel with the .config from the olpc kernel first.
[13:13] <Darxus> AlanBell: apt-get source linux ; cd linux-2.6.31 ; cp /path/to/olpc/.config . ; fakeroot debian/rules clean ; AUTOBUILD=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs
[13:13] <Darxus> Looks like it should work.  You'll probably need to grab build-deps too.
[13:13] <Darxus> AlanBell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[13:14] <Darxus> AlanBell: I have more info on circumventing ABI and modules checks if that doesn't work (it might say that a package doesn't exist in the control info).
[13:15] <Darxus> AlanBell: Also, you should file a bug requesting that to be included in the ubuntu kernels.
[13:15] <Darxus> Might get it in karmic backports.
[13:17] <AlanBell> thanks Darxus
[13:20] <Darxus> You're welcome.
[13:21] <Darxus> Sorry if that was overwhelming.
[13:23] <AlanBell> not at all!
[13:24] <AlanBell> just digging out a machine with a decent processor
[13:24] <AlanBell> kernel compile on a 433mhz geode doesn't sound like fun
[13:35] <AlanBell> apt-get source linux seems to be a bit small, I think that is just the metapackage itself. getting linux-image-2.6.31-12-generic
[13:39] <Darxus> Yup, sorry.
[13:39] <Darxus> -13 is current in karmic, which release are you using?
[13:50] <AlanBell> using karmic, but didn't update today
[13:52] <AlanBell> ok, yes, -13
[13:52] <AlanBell> got it
[13:55] <AlanBell> hmm, failed with an error, says it is not clean and suggests mrproper. I will reclean and try again. I will pastebin the output if it falls over this time.
[13:57] <AlanBell> http://pastebin.com/f5ed03d05
[13:57] <AlanBell> running make mrproper now
[13:59] <AlanBell> ooh, not so great
[13:59] <AlanBell> the debian directory has moved to debian.master and .config has gone
[14:15] <Darxus> AlanBell: You said you were going to use somebody else's .config?
[14:16] <Darxus> Yeah, that package is... kind of scary.  But you don't have to do any of the scary stuff.
[14:16] <AlanBell> yes, that was my plan
[14:16] <AlanBell> or I could turn on the bits it needs if I can find them
[14:16] <Darxus> The .config is split into multiple pieces, a base, a piece for every architecture, and a piece for every flavor.  They're catted together.
[14:17] <Darxus> Just copy the other config into the directory and run... make-kpkg or whatever it is.
[14:18] <Darxus> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance
[14:19] <Darxus> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelTeam/AbstractedDebian
[14:20] <Darxus> fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic binary-headers skipabi=true skipmodule=true
[14:20] <Darxus> That's probably your best option.
[14:20] <Darxus> So just copy the .config and run that.
[14:20] <Darxus> From https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance
[14:21] <AlanBell> ok, having messed things up with mrproper is there a quick way to get back to a clean state?
[14:21] <Darxus> I'd apt-get source again.
[14:21] <Darxus> First thing I do after apt-get source is always make a backup copy so I don't have to do it again :)
[14:22] <AlanBell> ok, I have the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz, I hoped it would re-expand them
[14:22] <Darxus> Oh, right.
[14:22] <Darxus> You have the .dsc too?
[14:22] <Darxus> rm -r linux-2.6.31
[14:23] <Darxus> dpkg-source -x linux_2.6.31-13.43.dsc
[14:23] <AlanBell> oh cool, it just works, skipping already downloaded files
[14:23] <Darxus> Cool.
[14:24] <Darxus> If the only thing you need to change is the .config, you might want to figure out the exact options in the .config, and just change them in the .config the ubuntu package uses.
[14:25] <Darxus> cat debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu
[14:25] <Darxus> No..
[14:25] <Darxus> cat debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu debian.master/config/i386/config.common.i386 debian.master/config/i386/config.flavour.generic > .config
[14:25] <AlanBell> ok, http://pastebin.com/f3abc2afb is the config, I will diff it against that
[14:25] <Darxus> Will get you the basic kernel config.
[14:26] <Darxus> AlanBell: "OLPC" shows up a lot in that file :)
[14:27] <Darxus> You might want to try just using that .config...
[14:28] <AlanBell> ok, so I put that in linux-2.6.31/.config
[14:28] <Darxus> Yup.
[14:29] <AlanBell> then fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic binary-headers skipabi=true skipmodule=true
[14:29] <Darxus> And run: fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic binary-headers  skipabi=true skipmodule=true
[14:29] <Darxus> Actually, that will almost certainly overwrite your .config.
[14:29] <Darxus> I'm not sure.
[14:30] <Darxus> You could always just do a regular kernel source make / install, without the packaging stuff.
[14:30] <AlanBell> put it in debian.master/config/i386/config.olpc.generic maybe?
[14:30] <Darxus> No, it won't know to find it there.
[14:31] <Darxus> To skip the packaging just do "make silentconfig && make modules && make install && make modules_install".  I think.  It's been years.
[14:31] <Darxus> Ohh, you could use...
[14:31] <Darxus> checkinstall.
[14:32] <Darxus> Just replace each instance of "make" with checkinstall, and it'll make a package for each.
[14:32] <Darxus> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
[14:32] <Darxus> ^ This is probably better.
[14:34] <Darxus> Yeah, that looks good.
[14:34] <Darxus> I'm going back to bed.  Good luck.
[14:36] <AlanBell> ok, thanks for your help
[15:25] <EagleScreen> hello friends
[15:26] <EagleScreen> I have an incident in Ubuntu and Kubuntu karmic
[15:27] <EagleScreen> when I enable the Broadcom STA wireless driver "wl", for first time with jockey, kernel freeze
[19:17] <corp186> I've found a regression between karmic and jaunty
[19:18] <corp186> I wanted to use git bisect, but it seems the kernel trees are kept in separate repos
[19:18] <corp186> what's the best way to do a bisect between the two distros?
[19:21] <Womble2> You can clone from one repo and then add another repo as a remote
[19:22] <Womble2> However, I don't know whether bisect will work properly with the way Ubuntu patches are applied
[19:24] <corp186> I'd be surprised if bisect worked across branches
[19:25] <corp186> I'm not sure how that would work


[00:01] <jxself> poolie: Will do, thanks. There's more than a decade of history in CVS and I don't want to lose that.
[00:06] <jelmer> wgrant: Is it no longer possible for me to change Fix Released Ubuntu bugs back to any other status?
[00:06] <jelmer> I accidentally changed a bug to Fix Released, now I can't change it back.
[00:07] <wgrant> jelmer: You can't reopen a bug unless you are a bug supervisor or the reporter.
[00:07] <wgrant> jelmer: Which bug?
[00:08] <jelmer> wgrant: the ubuntu bit of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/loggerhead/+bug/586611
[00:08] <poolie> is that new?
[00:08] <wgrant> poolie: Yes :(
[00:08] <wgrant> More misfeatures.
[00:08] <poolie> i don't suppose it's documented other than in the source?
[00:08] <wgrant> jelmer: What should it be?
[00:08] <wgrant> poolie: lol
[00:09] <jelmer> wgrant: In Progress I guess (there's an upload going into Debian that fixes it that'll request a sync for)
[00:09] <jelmer> s/that'll/that I'll/
[00:09] <wgrant> Fixed.
[00:09] <jelmer> wgrant: thanks
[00:47] <mr-russ-work> what's the best windows bzr client?
[00:48] <poolie> bzr explorer
[00:52] <mr-russ-work> does it need bazaar installed?
[01:08] <poolie> mr-russ-work, yes
[01:08] <poolie> but i think they're both included in the default windows installer?
[01:16] <poolie> hi spiv?
[01:33] <knighthawk> thanks poolie
[01:40] <spiv> Hi poolie
[01:41] <spm> poolie: jubany now has: ii  bzr 2.3.1-0~0.IS.8.04; will update the RT shortly
[01:41] <spiv> spm: thanks!
[01:41] <spiv> I'll give those imports a kick then
[01:42] <spm> sweet
[01:51] <poolie> hey spiv
[01:51] <poolie> i missed you before :)
[02:21] <spiv> Hmm, the package importer is getting lots of “lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error”, e.g. http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ceph.html#2011-03-25%2002:08:19.181741
[02:30] <poolie> there should be an oops header
[02:30] <poolie> gah
[02:30] <poolie> i filed a bug asking for lplib to pull that into the exception
[02:30] <poolie> you could fix that
[02:39] <lifeless> timeout bug I suspect
[02:39] <lifeless> fix is in trunk, pending deploy due to these security issues
[02:40] <spiv> I've told the package-importer that it's a transient issue, so it'll automatically retry those failures after 24(?) hours I think
[02:40] <lifeless> well
[02:41] <lifeless> the problem is that filing a merge proposal loads /all/ the branch history for both sides into cache
[02:41] <lifeless> so if you want to retry
[02:41] <lifeless> do it right away
[02:41] <lifeless> while you're still slightly hot
[04:13] <achiang> hello, i noticed that debcommit has some magic to make a bzr branch automatically link up with a launchpad bug. how can i do that manually? bzr help commit doesn't really tell me much
[04:13] <poolie> bzr help mark-uploaded
[04:13] <poolie> i think
[04:14] <lifeless> mark-uploaded says when something has been uploaded to the archive
[04:14] <poolie> ah gah
[04:14] <poolie> misread
[04:14] <poolie> you want bzr ci --fixes lp:BUGNUM
[04:14] <achiang> ooh
[04:14] <achiang> ok
[04:15] <achiang> huh, --fixes not documented in maverick's bzr?
[04:15] <achiang> yes it is
[04:15] <achiang> i just can't read
[04:15] <achiang> poolie: thanks!
[04:15] <poolie> in 'bzr help launchpad' too
[04:15] <poolie> you're welcome
[06:46] <jderose> how do i print a summary of commits per person/ lines of change per person?  looked at bzr stats, but it doesn't seem able (or maybe is sort of broken on bzr 2.3.0/natty)
[06:53] <poolie> i thought it did that sort of thing
[06:54] <achiang> is there a way to do a bzr commit interactive? i only want to commit one hunk
[06:54] <poolie> install bzr-interactive i think
[06:55] <achiang> nothing shows up in apt-cache search?
[06:55] <poolie> jderose, what happens from 'bzr stats'?
[06:55] <achiang> oh, it's a plugin
[06:56] <poolie> yep, bzr branch lp:bzr-interactive ~/.bazaar/plugins/interactive
[06:56] <achiang> interesting, i'll try that
[06:56] <poolie> jderose, that seems to work for me
[06:57] <jderose> poolie: turns out, something totally awesome! i've been up hacking too long at this point... was in the wrong branch! http://paste.ubuntu.com/585230/
[06:57] <poolie> haha :)
[06:58] <jderose> poolie: sorry for the dumb question, thanks for the smart answer :)
[06:58] <poolie> np, glad it worked
[06:58] <poolie> don't know if it can count slocs
[06:58] <poolie> which obviously are highly useful in awarding bonuses
[06:58] <jderose> ah, gotcha... that would be cool
[06:59] <jderose> poolie: np, i work for this crappy startup that doesn't pay anyone anything!
[06:59]  * jderose is CEO :)
[07:01] <poolie> congrats / good luck :)
[07:03] <jderose> poolie: thanks. :) while i have you... out of curiosity, is there any timeline for addressing the submodules issue with bzr? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/402814
[07:04] <poolie> hm it should go up from wishlist
[07:04] <jderose> poolie: i keep telling everyone how awesome daily builds are, help them set them up, to find i can't import into bzr... i'm personally very interesting in see daily builds for gstreamer and pitivi
[07:04] <poolie> yeah, it's a big blocker for that
[07:05] <poolie> it's not close enough i could give a very reliable estimate but it's definitely in our target area
[07:05] <jderose> poolie: i know there are always too many things to do and it's hard to pick priorities --- no judgments! -- but just wondering :P
[07:05] <poolie> maybe in the next few months
[07:06] <jderose> so this requires a pretty big change in bzr? new storage format big?
[07:09] <jderose> poolie: anyway, bzr and launchpad are fantastic - that's for tools that have made my live easier! :)
[07:09] <poolie> just a bug
[07:09] <poolie> fighting with all the others to be born
[07:12] <jderose> poolie: gotcha.  thanks again!
[07:21] <poolie> hi jam!
[07:37] <vila> hi all !
[07:39] <poolie> hi there vial
[07:39] <poolie> *vila
[07:39] <vila> I can't find back the reference, but someone mentioned that reviews can gain a 'Agreed' vote instead of an 'Approved' one
[07:39] <poolie> really?
[07:39] <vila> It makes a lot of sense to me
[07:40] <vila> It gives a very different meaning and implies a different relationship which I think is far more appropriate
[07:40] <poolie> i just haven't heard of it
[07:41] <vila> Most of the time I "agree" with the proposal as a peer instead of "approving" it as a semi-god :-D
[07:42] <vila> ha, got it: http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/code-reviews-as-relationship-builders/
[07:43] <poolie> https://lpstats.canonical.com/graphs/BzrProjectBugActivity/ -- everyone came back from holidays :)
[07:43] <poolie> nice idea
[07:43] <vila> lol
[07:43] <poolie> personally i would rather get 'tweak'
[07:44] <poolie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_approve_this_message
[07:44] <vila> yeah, it's needed more often
[07:46] <poolie> i think 'approval' is quite a positive sentiment though
[08:00] <vila> poolie: granted there are positive values in approval but I think they are also there in agreement ;)
[08:01] <poolie> haha :) indeed
[08:03]  * vila back to losa hunting
[09:09] <jam> morning all
[09:09] <vila> morning jam :)
[09:12] <poolie> jam, vila: should i add a mechanism to deprecate commands, or just delete them?
[09:12] <poolie> i guess the former
[09:12] <jam> poolie: so you get "bzr clone is going to be removed in the next release" messages?
[09:12] <poolie> yeah
[09:12] <jam> We've loosened the deprecation stuff for api, but I think we probably want to do that for command  line.
[09:12] <poolie> suppressable messages
[09:13] <vila> configurable as we did for warnings
[09:14] <jam> side note: "safe and easy web browser from Mozilla" (firefox)
[09:14] <poolie> ?
[09:14] <jam> just very funny to read the "helpful descriptions" rather than the name of the program
[09:14] <jam> Update Manager
[09:14] <poolie> oh, yeah, that is strange
[09:14] <jam> They also have a very strange (and inconsistent) Capitalization
[09:15] <jam> poolie: I'm tempted to go so many different ways.
[09:15] <jam> I would tend to say... if it is hard to do, punt
[09:15] <jam> but if it is easy, please deprecate
[09:15] <poolie> agree
[09:15] <poolie> it's not _that_ hard
[09:15] <jam> That said
[09:15] <poolie> some of the command framework stuff could do with some love
[09:15] <jam> if people are using "bzr clone" are they going to notice it tell them it will be changing?
[09:18] <poolie> why wouldn't they?
[09:19] <jam> poolie: because of all the other stuff that they ignore. They could.
[09:19] <jam> I just want to make sure that messages we send are relevant
[09:20] <jam> That people who *want* to see them are doing so.
[09:20] <poolie> so i can think of two ways to do this
[09:20] <poolie> one is, to put it into the Command object
[09:20] <poolie> we could just refuse it
[09:20] <poolie> and make them update
[09:21] <poolie> their muscle memory or scripts
[09:21] <poolie> i guess some scripts may be hard to update
[09:27] <jam> poolie: There was a recent discussion in python-dev about deprecation
[09:27] <jam> In py, they always do PendingDeprecation in X, Deprecation in X+1, Removed in X+2
[09:27] <poolie> ok
[09:27] <jam> People were complaining
[09:27] <poolie> what's pending deprecation?
[09:28] <poolie> just in the docs?
[09:28] <jam> poolie: I think it is a by-default suppressed warning
[09:28] <jam> versus a vocal warning
[09:28] <jam> versus gone
[09:28] <jam> the complaint was because they were trying to go from 2.X to 3, and running afoul of
[09:28] <jam> Well it was deprecated in 3.1, so removed in 3.2
[09:28] <poolie> :)
[09:28] <jam> but 2.7 still had something
[09:29] <jam> so there was no way to support 2.7 *and* 3.3
[09:29] <jam> or whatever
[09:29] <jam> poolie: but that also highlights something
[09:29] <jam> people really care about Deprecation as a way to transition
[09:29] <jam> if we are just removing aliases to commands that already exist
[09:29] <jam> they can switch to the existing command, and be supported across all versions
[09:30] <poolie> right
[09:30] <poolie> and, they should be able to use bzr aliases if for some reason they can't change
[09:30] <jam> I think people have trouble if it was "foo" in 2.0, and "bar" in 2.4, and they don't have an easy way to support the versions they want
[09:31] <jam> poolie: My experience in the past, was that DeprecationWarning wasn't helping people
[09:31] <jam> Developers tend to use crack-of-the-day
[09:31] <jam> and so never see them, because they are using the new apis
[09:31] <jam> Users see them a lot, but don't have anything they can *do* about it
[09:31] <poolie> yes
[09:31] <poolie> and yes
[09:31] <poolie> showing deprecationwarning to users is nuts
[09:32] <jam> poolie: I *think* we can do this for commands in a tasteful way
[09:32] <jam> because there it is much more likely that a user is invoking the command that needs to be changed
[09:32] <jam> There are scripts that don't apply
[09:32] <jam> (if I'm using, eg, etckeeper, then don't give me deprecations cause Upstream needs to fix it)
[09:33] <poolie> also, it's probably unusual that someone chose to use these at all
[09:33] <jam> poolie: then my recommendation is to troll through bzr docs, especially ones not written by us
[09:34] <jam> I don't know of any particularly popular ones
[09:34] <jam> but I'm pretty sure I've seen wiki-like docs
[09:34] <jam> that said "bzr clone ..."
[09:34] <jam> or maybe "bzr get ..."
[09:34] <poolie> maybe
[09:34] <poolie> those docs may have bigger problems
[09:34] <poolie> anyhow, fair enough
[09:34] <jam> anyway, that's the only place where I've seen recommendations for people to use non-official names
[09:34] <poolie> adding a command deprecation layer just for this does not feel like the most direct route possible
[09:34] <poolie> k
[09:35] <poolie> thanks
[09:35] <jam> And I think some people like "bzr get" because it was shorter to type
[09:35] <poolie> i'm happy to add 'bzr br' or similar
[09:35] <poolie> once we sort this out
[09:37] <spiv> jam: yes, I know of at least user that prefers "bzr get"
[09:37] <spiv> I don't recall hearing anyone use or advocate using our current "bzr clone" alias.
[09:39] <jam> spiv: I think I've seen it in something like "bzr-for-git" discussion
[09:41] <poolie> spiv, bialix mentioned in the bug he prefers it
[09:41] <poolie> or was it someone else too?
[09:41] <jam> (because the command is more like 'git clone' than 'git branch')
[09:41] <jam> poolie: I'm pretty sure the one I remember is bialix
[09:41] <poolie> well, they might say 'bzr clone' too then
[09:41] <poolie> but it's not all that much like it
[09:43] <spiv> I'm mainly thinking of glyph, but presumably these aren't the only people :)
[09:44] <poolie> well, 'bzr alias get=branch' will restore it
[09:46] <jam> poolie: so I think you bring up a reasonable statement
[09:46] <jam> fail
[09:46] <jam> but give them advice on what to do
[09:46] <jam> "bzr get" --- "bzr get was removed in bzr 2.4. The recommended name is "bzr branch", to restore "bzr get" as an alias, use ..."
[09:47] <jam> (bzr get was removed as an alias in bzr 2.4)
[09:47] <jam> poolie: sort of inbetween "deprecated and I still work", and "where did the command go that I've been using for 3 years"
[09:49] <poolie> yep
[09:49] <poolie> i might implement that by adding a new command that prints the message, and binding them to that
[09:49] <jam> poolie: a few ways to do it. You could add "old_aliases = [...]" to Command objects
[09:49] <jam> if there are a lot of them
[09:50] <poolie> i was going to do that originally
[09:50] <jam> I think it depends how hard it is to get the appropriate text
[09:50] <poolie> it seems a bit inelegant to put it inline with the regular command stuff
[09:50] <jam> but I guess that is what https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/506265-command-deprecation/+merge/54828 is about?
[09:50] <jam> So the "cmd_I_was_removed_in_24" knows what it is aliased to now?
[09:53] <poolie> right
[09:55] <poolie> i think i might stop for today though
[09:58] <jam> spiv: You mentioned you could use "lp:~/project/branch" and we'll expand ~ to ~user. When you said that, I thought "really, since when".
[09:58] <jam> I just looked through the logs, and *I* implemented it
[09:58] <jam> (2.3b1)
[10:36] <spiv> jam: :)
[10:58] <lifeless> spiv: should be able to retry those timeouts now
[11:04] <jam> bbiab, lunch
[12:02] <spiv> lifeless: I think they retry every hour actually
[12:03] <spiv> Oh, hmm, maybe not.
[12:03] <spiv> I'll give it a kick anyway
[12:35] <spiv> lifeless: still failing
[12:51] <james_w> erk
[12:52] <james_w> I don't like the look of http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/7ae30b44f1f904e04bbae6700b7181dd.html
[12:52] <james_w> and http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/3321c5cfcfcf74249b92f963453f4701.html is pretty worrying
[12:53] <james_w> as is http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ttf-arphic-gkai00mp.html
[12:53] <james_w> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ttf-arphic-uming.html
[12:54] <james_w> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/ttf-arphic-ukai.html
[12:54] <vila> james_w: I think that's what lifeless and spiv were just talking about
[12:54] <james_w> though I guess those are transient with the upgrade of bzr?
[12:54] <vila> eerk, the no module named revisiontree is different and indeed very worrying
[12:56] <vila> james_w: 'no module ...' requeued
[12:58] <vila> james_w: and they seem to be passing now, ttf-arphic-uming requeued too
[12:59] <james_w> vila, great, thanks
[12:59] <james_w> it would be great to have a packaging system that didn't break python on upgrades
[12:59] <vila> thanks for noticing, I think.. yeah :)
[12:59] <vila> james_w: in the mean time, stopping the importer may help...
[12:59] <james_w> yeah
[13:26] <spiv> james_w: in principle the packaging system could do "mv bzrlib .old.bzrlib; mv .new.bzrlib bzrlib; rm -r bzrlib" I suppose, but I can just imagine how that would actually be pretty hairy to actually implement
[13:26] <spiv> james_w: (and of course even that approach has a small window of brokenness)
[13:27] <james_w> spiv, my guess is that dpkg is fine, it's the Python-specific stuff on top that isn't, and hopefully that can go away in a few years when Barry's stuff is widely available
[13:27] <spiv> Although I guess it's hard to avoid the risk of breaking running processes
[13:28] <spiv> Even firefox wants a restart after its package is upgraded ;)
[13:29] <spiv> james_w: clearly bzr should not use lazy_import so that it gets all its imports done in as short a window as possible ;)
[13:29] <james_w> yeah :-)
[13:29] <james_w> if we can't even import bzrlib sometimes though... :-)
[13:30] <spiv> Or just have the old processes keep running against an older btrfs snapshot of the system, or something handwavy like that...
[13:31] <spiv> Anyway, zzz time!
[13:34] <james_w> night
[14:41] <jam> jelmer: you landed the bzr-hg change faster than Launchpad built the merge proposal for it. so there isn't a diff to read.
[14:41] <jam> also, weren't we wanting to pair on some changes?
[14:41] <jam> I don't remember which ones off-hand
[14:41] <jam> but maybe we could do that early next week?
[14:42] <jelmer> jam: I've mostly been using merge proposals as a way to track individual changes, but self-reviewing as I always have
[14:42] <jelmer> jam: Yeah, some pair programming would be nice
[14:42] <jam> jelmer: sure. Just mentioning that tracking the changes isn't possible when you land faster than they get tracked :)
[14:43] <jelmer> jam: heh, fair enough :)
[21:32] <achiang_> hello, how do i resolve a merge conflict? i get a foo.BASE and a foo.THIS, not sure which one is which
[21:34] <achiang_> but the base file foo doesn't seem to exist at all
[21:34] <achiang_> ah, i think that means my merge source rm'ed foo
[23:18] <wgrant> maxb: Hi.
[23:34] <ablmf> How to automatically "push" after every commit?
[23:35] <bouncingzip> use a bound branch.
[23:36] <ablmf> bouncingzip: do u mean use a "checkout"?
[23:40] <bouncingzip> actually, depends what you're trying to do exactly
[23:40] <bouncingzip> maybe relevant: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/460632/bazaar-bound-branch-commit-and-update
[23:44] <bouncingzip> if you want the tree somewhere remote, those are suggestions on how to do it, if you want a remote branch automatically mirrored each commit, binding to it (which yes, is the same as using checkout originally) is probably what you want.
[23:47] <ablmf> bouncingzip: I think the plugin helps, thx!


[10:41] <guiverc> hours too late, but just noticed the day & thus read thru uwn 678; looks good to me.
[19:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - no additional edits are known from the channel log. Time to push 20:00 UTC.
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - Doing the Forum post next :D
[20:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - no issues seen. Doing the re-directs next :D
[20:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done too - pending is release to the Social Medias :D
[20:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Sujeevan Vijayakumaran: One year at GitLab: 7 things which I didn't expect to learn @ https://svij.org/blog/2021/04/12/one-year-at-gitlab-7-things-which-i-didnt-expect-to-learn/
[20:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Design and Web team summary – 12 April 2021 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-12-april-2021
[22:32] <guiverc> Bashing-om, okay to push #678 to fridge.. (i realized it was monday/review day very late, read uwn last night; looked good)
[22:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup = push to the fridge as no one else is around to do the chore :D
[22:37] <guiverc> security things appeas in list & stands out (b/c of lower case title) but i'll ignore
[22:37] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/04/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-678/
[22:39] <guiverc> tweeted #678
[22:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: undecided as to "fix" security things as the author did run the title in lower case .
[22:41] <guiverc> yeah I realize that.. I've always been tempted to change first character; but it's against editorial rules as I remember them..
[22:58] <guiverc> i'm not getting any 2fa from fb... so can't login currently
[22:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 678 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/04/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-678/
[23:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wife says she has no issue with FB - she is on it now . OK anyway to wipe Gdoc ?
[23:02] <guiverc> I regularly have issues with this step... taking 1-2 days for a SMS to reach my phone (from fb) isn't uncommon; hours more common though  (maybe their punishment for me only using it weekly for a few mins to post uwn)
[23:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: LOL - I can only imagine what my punishment would be.
[23:04] <guiverc> maybe related to me not using the mobile-phone much too, I dialed it from voip phone which sometimes helps.. but i can't do anything until phone beeps with 2fa
[23:08] <guiverc> yep sorry, wipe away
[23:12] <Bashing-om> Ok will wipe - Nothing left there for us to prove :P
[23:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue 679 :D


[14:42] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, im testing this pithos update to see if the gstreamer errors i get are gone
[14:43] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: apprecieted, but it probably won't be fixed, none of the bugfixes addressed that bug.
[14:43] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: I'm not really sure what cause is :(
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> well kenvandine uses it and doesn't have those issues
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> so i wonder if it's the diff between dist-upgrade and fresh install
[14:51] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, any way to find out where the errors happening?
[14:51] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: hmmmmmmm. odd. thanks for testing!
[14:51] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: run it with verbose?
[14:51]  * lfaraone will brb, classes.
[14:51] <lfaraone> Did we decide whether the keysigning will be this Saturday or next?
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> idk, i can't make t his weekend
[14:52] <bcurtiswx> so next weekend would be better
[14:52] <lfaraone> mk. Perhaps we should clarify on-list so people don't end up split up.
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, how can we find out where the errors coming from
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> it would be a great bugfix to get into natty
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine DOES get that error
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> i was mistaken
[14:59] <lfaraone> right, I think it affects everybody. but it'd be nice to find an easy way to reproduce it quickly. it seems to happen after playing a couple of songs.
[14:59] <lfaraone> I'm sure that when the upstream developer migrates to Natty we'll get a fix shortly :) but then it'd be a SRU.
[15:25] <bcurtiswx> well you or I can get an SRU no problem
[15:38] <lfaraone> Right, still a PITA and sub-optimal.
[15:38] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: btw, do you know any undergraduate CS students at GMU?
[15:38] <bcurtiswx> nope
[15:39] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, i only know CDS students.  We're a completely different breed ;)
[15:39] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: hahah, mk.
[15:39] <bcurtiswx> when r u visiting GMU next?
[15:40] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: this Sunday, they have an admitted student thingie from 1100-1400 or so.
[15:41] <bcurtiswx> eek, you'll have fun fighting the circus traffic
[15:43] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: yes, they mentioned that.
[15:43] <lfaraone> should we get there early?
[15:45] <bcurtiswx> well, the circus performs during the weekend at the patriot center.  So since you'll be coming from EFC, just park in rhappahannok (sp?) parking garage
[15:45] <bcurtiswx> the circus is on the south side of campus (in Lot A)
[15:45] <bcurtiswx> Rhappahannok is on the north side
[18:29] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: do you have machines running maverick / lucid still?
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> my main machine is actually Hardy.... i don't control the dist-upgrades unfortunately
[18:30] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: mk... if you do have a machine running either of those dists running around, it'd be awesome if you could test https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/698122
[18:30] <lfaraone> I would, but I was the one who submitted the SRU :)
[18:31] <lfaraone> I'll see if I can get some of my CS classmates to test it on Lucid.
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> i don't have either, actually
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> i have natty and hardy
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> well this may be intrepid, i can't remember
[18:32] <bcurtiswx> Yup, it's hardy
[18:33] <bcurtiswx> soooo two LTS's ago
[19:11] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, i don't have that e-mail anymore, so would you mention to have the keysigning party not this saturday but next saturday
[19:11] <lfaraone> bcurtiswx: will do.l
[19:12] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, muchas gracias
[19:13] <maco> i got an email from someone wanting to do a keysigning. i told him that we were already talking about doing one @ TOI on the 23rd
[19:14] <bcurtiswx> maco, oh, cool.  Well, then maybe it needs an official clarification on the ML ?
[19:14] <lfaraone> maco: I got the same email, Robert something right?
[19:14] <maco> yeah
[19:15] <bcurtiswx> anyone talk to dtchen lately to see how he's doing?
[19:22] <maco> ive seen him on mailing lists within the last few weeks
[19:23] <maco> he should be back in the country  in about a month
[19:24] <lfaraone> well, I'll be meeting Robert S. wrt GPG-signing this Sunday, since he indicated he might miss the TOI event next week.
[19:25] <lfaraone> I should also be there next Saturday.
[22:19] <Beto> Hello. I'm looking for some help with Ubuntu 10.10. I'm trying to install it on to a Compaq Presario SR2023WM Running Windows XP Sp3.


[07:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:20] <jamespage> cpaelzer: thanks for picking up that OpenStack related MIR review
[15:59] <TJ-> ogra: do you have a reference for the ifupdown deprecation? I was asked about that yesterday and couldn't find it, only the one for Debian net-tools from around 2008
[16:00] <ogra> TJ-, theer is a debian wikipage from 2011 ... but that also does not actively point to any announcement
[16:01] <ogra> https://wiki.debian.org/NetToolsDeprecation
[16:01] <TJ-> ogra: yeah, that's the one for net-tools but I cannot find any /Debian/ reference of deprecating ifupdown. I know there was one for Ubuntu
[16:02] <ogra> ( that is rather for the package transition coordination i think)
[16:05] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToNetplan
[16:15] <ogra> TJ-, well, ifupdown has ifconfig as a hard dependency, you can not really tell them apart ... and i actually found the upstream announcement of the deprecation https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html
[16:19] <TJ-> ogra: yes, I saw that, but surely that is just net-tools and not ifupdown? That just covers replacing various net-tools commands with iproute2 and so on
[16:20] <TJ-> it gets confusing since ifupdown was replaced by the python version ifupdown2


[00:08] <ahoneybun> darkxst: sounds like my best route is to purge the gnome 3 ppas
[00:18] <ahoneybun> well that did not work well
[02:48] <ahoneybun> darkxst, is launchpad working for you?
[03:00] <darkxst> ahoneybun, looks to be down
[03:01]  * ahoneybun kinda reinstalled UG
[03:01] <ahoneybun> darkxst, should I have the gnome 3 ppa and then your ppa?>
[03:03] <darkxst> ahoneybun, for prime support, yes
[03:04] <ahoneybun> launchpad is down though
[03:05] <darkxst> ahoneybun, only the website is down, ppa's are still working
[03:05] <ahoneybun> what was your ppa?
[03:05] <darkxst> ppa:darkxst/gdm-prime
[03:12] <ahoneybun> thanks
[03:13] <ahoneybun> darkxst, what would I do once it gets pushed into the main repos?
[03:17] <darkxst> nothing it will just update
[03:18] <ahoneybun> I can't add ppas
[04:00] <darkxst> ahoneybun, oh right, you will just have to wait then!
[04:01] <ahoneybun> darkxst, thats ok I'm trying to learn C to work on my pebble
[04:01] <ahoneybun> keywork *trying*
[04:02] <darkxst> ahoneybun, lots of C in GNOME ;)
[04:02] <ahoneybun> darkxst, well the pebble is a *small* place to start for
[04:03] <ahoneybun> I can't even understand what I'm doing wrong from this ex
[04:05]  * ahoneybun thinks it is a geany problem
[04:19] <darkxst> ahoneybun, how can you blame the editor ;)
[04:20] <ahoneybun> says something about enabled by default
[04:29] <ahoneybun> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/tyfNCUNa
[04:30] <darkxst> that should work
[04:31] <ahoneybun> test1.c:8:1: warning: data definition has no type or storage class [enabled by default]
[04:34]  * ahoneybun is looking for a good book to learn from
[04:36] <darkxst> ahoneybun, you need a main() function, to run your code in ;)
[04:39] <ahoneybun> darkxst, example please?
[04:42] <darkxst> http://pastebin.com/cwyaYfT4
[04:46] <ahoneybun> well it compiled but does not give me anything when ran
[04:47] <darkxst> ahoneybun, you need to add a printf() so you can see the result ;)
[04:47] <ahoneybun> I see
[04:47] <darkxst> something like printf("The number %d\n", result)
[04:48] <ahoneybun> &d\n what is with that?
[04:48] <darkxst> %d is a place holder for a number (decimal)
[04:48] <darkxst> \n is a new-line
[04:49] <ahoneybun> still nothing
[04:50] <ahoneybun> I must have it in the wrong plave
[04:50] <ahoneybun> *plave
[04:50] <ahoneybun> *place
[04:52] <darkxst> did you put an #include to tell the compiler about printf?
[04:53] <ahoneybun> nope
[04:53] <darkxst> then it shouldnt even compile ;)
[04:54] <ahoneybun> but what file
[04:54] <ahoneybun> include what
[04:55] <ahoneybun> darkxst, http://www.learn-c.org/en/Variables_and_Types
[04:56] <darkxst> ha that is pretty cool ;)
[04:58] <darkxst> too bad its a dodgy proprietary thing
[04:58]  * ahoneybun will need a. to take a class for this b, a very understanding teacher
[04:59] <darkxst> ahoneybun, you had the answer to your problem in the link you gave me, so use that!
[04:59] <ahoneybun> did
[04:59] <darkxst> programming classes are crap
[05:00] <ahoneybun> did not work
[05:01] <ahoneybun> darkxst, what is the best way to learn then>
[05:01] <darkxst> http://pastebin.com/0EFLKWv0
[05:03] <ahoneybun> I want to know why my line has a red line under it but when I put yours in there the red line is gone
[05:04] <ahoneybun> but it is the same thing
[05:05] <ahoneybun> still no answer
[05:05] <ahoneybun> wait
[05:05] <ahoneybun> had to recompile
[05:06] <ahoneybun> I mean build
[05:06] <darkxst> ahoneybun, read lots of code and play with it
[05:07] <ahoneybun> darkxst, yea the thing I wonder is how do you start a project
[05:07] <darkxst> maybe work through the tutorials on http://www.learn-c.org/
[05:08] <darkxst> or "learn c the hard way"
[05:08] <darkxst> http://c.learncodethehardway.org/
[05:08] <darkxst> and absolutely do not start your project until you understand the basics!
[05:09] <darkxst> if anything find some other simple program and start by modifying it slightly!
[05:10] <ahoneybun> http://ninedof.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/pebble-watch-face-sdk-tutorial-2-applying-the-primer-to-the-pebble-sdk/
[05:10] <darkxst> you really should start with much simpler stuff than that!
[05:12] <ahoneybun> kinda getting it if I read that page and look at a example in the sdk
[05:15] <ahoneybun> it is hard
[05:27] <darkxst> what is hard
[05:35] <darkxst> https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus
[10:37] <darkxst> ahoneybun, oh I have an idea, you want to learn C! so port gnome-settings-daemon to upower 0.99 ;)
[14:11] <worldEater> hey guys, can anyone tell me why does Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 has a GNOME 3.9 version? I just downloaded it and installed it.
[14:36] <DASPRiD> worldEater: http://askubuntu.com/questions/455584/is-this-normal-ubuntu-14-04-gnome-3-9-90
[17:18] <ahoneybun> darkxst, I can tell you it works but now it seems I have no sound
[19:34] <syntroPi> Has someone her managed to get Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 x64 running with the VirtualBox Guest Additions?
[19:34] <syntroPi> i am struggling with convincing Gnome/Xorg to use the already loaded kernel modules
[20:51] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I think devhelp was left because it is based around gtk 3.12
[21:14] <ahoneybun> why is it so hard to get a windows 8 iso
[21:14] <ahoneybun> I don't even need it cracked
[21:15] <mkdmz> Does ubuntu-gnome do something different with mimetypes?  I'm having trouble creating a mimetype for my python app: http://askubuntu.com/questions/483396/how-do-i-set-up-custom-icons-for-my-pygi-app-documents
[22:41] <darkxst> mkdmz, mimetype handling should be identical to normal ubuntu
[22:42] <darkxst> ahoneybun, hdmi audio?
[22:44] <darkxst> Noskcaj, except that was during the 3.10 cycle!
[22:48] <darkxst> Noskcaj, atlthough it does use gtkheaderbar by the looks of it


[01:01] <jetole> Does anyone know how I can set a random hostname in preseed?
[08:52] <ev> shtylman: lucid> we generally create a lucid branch, then commit to that.  ~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/lucid-release seems to be the correct place this time.  Not sure why it's at 2.3.0 though. cjwatson?
[08:53] <ev> shtylman: overhaul> I'll be creating a branch for it, owned by ~ubuntu-installer and published in CIA, so you'll be able to commit to it.  I'll keep you posted.
[09:12]  * ogra really wonders what gets us all the grub bugs with "unable to connect to X server :0.0"
[11:07] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r310 usb-creator/ (17 files in 6 dirs):
[11:07] <CIA-4> usb-creator: * Use XDG IconTheme spec for window icons (LP: #535061)
[11:07] <CIA-4> usb-creator: * Install branded / debranded icons based on dpkg-vendor
[11:07] <CIA-4> usb-creator: * Add Debian branded icons & updated debian/copyright
[11:12] <ev> xnox: ^ thanks!
[11:15] <xnox> ev, ITP & upload to debian?
[11:16] <ev> xnox: by all means :)
[11:16] <xnox> on it ;-)
[11:17] <ev> awesome
[11:25] <complience> my ubuntu installation appears to fail upon loading of the kernal into the /boot partition
[11:25] <complience> I think there is an a problem with how ubuntu is talking to my motherboard controller
[11:27] <ev> complience: can you elaborate on exactly where you are seeing the error, and what the exact text of the error is?
[11:28] <complience> ev im seeing different errors depending on what version of ubuntu i install,.. legacy versions and alternative
[11:28] <complience> i/0 error can't boot CD is one
[11:28] <complience> warning kernal has not been loaded is another
[11:29] <ev> complience: are you able to boot a Ubuntu 10.04 live CD at all?
[11:29] <complience> with the alternative CD it doesn't give any error message, but after a seemly sucessfull install upon restarting nothing happens.
[11:29] <complience> no.. can't boot the ubuntu live CD
[11:29] <complience> have to use a USB
[11:29] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r626 ubuntu/ (84 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 2.33
[11:31] <ev> complience: writing the live CD image to a USB disk allows it to boot?
[11:31] <complience> yes
[11:31] <complience> if i try with a CD it doesnt like it,
[11:32] <complience> but usb, its very very very slow.. but gets there in the end.
[11:32] <complience> seriously slow.. like 2 hours.
[11:32] <complience> just to get to the .. install ubuntu option
[11:32] <complience> usb 2.0
[11:33] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r627 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * Drop lpia support, as lpia was EOL in Lucid.
[11:34] <persia> \o/
[11:36] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r628 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog mirrors.h):
[11:36] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: Switch to maverick by default. Drop all old suites from the list of
[11:36] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: suite choices; for better or worse, we've never really supported
[11:36] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: installing older suites with a newer installer.
[11:44] <ev> complience: Can you please follow the steps outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[12:16] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r629 ubuntu/Mirrors.masterlist: update Mirrors.masterlist to Debian 2.33
[12:20] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r630 ubuntu/choose-mirror.c: MANUAL_ENTRY_OLD was dropped
[12:29] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r631 ubuntu/choose-mirror.c: restore choose_suite to the state machine; just don't call debconf_input from it
[12:59] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r632 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog mktemplates):
[12:59] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: Force xgettext to use UTF-8 encoding when generating templates files, to
[12:59] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cope with Côte d'Ivoire.
[13:06] <CIA-4> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r633 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.33ubuntu1
[13:07] <cjwatson> ^- probably won't actually work - we'll see
[13:46] <ev> heh
[13:50] <cjwatson> oww, the debian-installer merge is painful
[14:56] <xnox> ev, annoyed at the multiple ITP's for the usb-creator.... oh well no response from the guy who said he did something so far....
[15:03] <persia> xnox: You may be amused to know that debian-qa is considering enabling the ITP->RFP automatic timeout script again for people not doing stuff quickly.
[15:04] <xnox> persia, thanks you have cheered me up =)
[15:04]  * xnox thinks i have some random ITP's pending on my name as well......
[15:06] <persia> Might want to sort those or retitle RFP :)
[15:08] <xnox> persia, on a side note =) YOU ROCK
[15:09] <xnox> gave me loads of encouragement since pretty much my first sponsored upload to ubuntu ;-)
[15:14] <davmor2> xnox: no I think your wrong all the devs rock some just rock harder :D
[15:15] <xnox> davmor2, true =) and my perception of hard-rockness is based on my biased amount of interaction with devs ;-)
[15:20] <ev> xnox: the "lets name the package this-program-lets-you-put-a-variety-of-distributions-install-media-on-a-usb-disk" argument is a bit crazy
[15:22] <xnox> =) shall we rename autotoools-dev into makes-your-file-with-autotools-slightly-less-painful based on above argument? =)))))
[15:22] <xnox> s / file / live
[15:23]  * xnox is crap on making jokes =(
[15:26] <ev> lol
[15:55] <complience> the /boot partition on my ubuntu install seems to be corrupted, does a basic install refresh this?
[16:02] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1294 ubuntu/ (370 files in 112 dirs): merge from Debian 20100211
[16:10] <ev> xnox: so I'd like it if we made your summer of code project a proper specification within Ubuntu (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate), complete with work items (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto).  This will let us track the progress within the Ubuntu Foundations Team as part of our burndown chart (http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-foundations.html).
[16:10] <xnox> ev, ok. I'll read through those and start drafting ;-)
[16:11] <ev> xnox: awesome!
[16:11] <ev> be sure to register the blueprint against Ubuntu rather than usb-creator: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec
[16:12] <ev> using the form foundations-m-something
[16:12] <ev> for the name, that is
[16:54] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1295 ubuntu/ (build/config/common debian/changelog debian/rules): Set default suite to maverick.
[16:55] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1296 ubuntu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.34-3 kernels.
[17:23] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1297 ubuntu/build/config/i386/cdrom-xen.cfg: fix i386/cdrom-xen kernel flavour for Ubuntu
[18:13] <CIA-4> rootskel: cjwatson * r351 ubuntu/ (11 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 1.84
[18:16] <CIA-4> rootskel: cjwatson * r352 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.84ubuntu1
[22:35] <ted_> hello.  i'm trying to find somebody who understands in some detail how the ubuntu 9.10 installation is set up.  i have a script that runs from preseed, like "d-i preseed/run string foo.sh", and i seem to have different stuff in /lib/modules/$(uname) from this script's perspective than i do when i run the "Execute a shell" menu item.  are there multiple initrds that get mounted in succession or something?
[22:49] <cjwatson> just the one initrd
[22:50] <cjwatson> I'd be happy to go into this in detail but I'm about to go to sleep.  Perhaps you could ask roughly during European working hours, if possible?
[22:50] <soren> cjwatson: You sleep? When did this start?
[22:53] <cjwatson> a bit over 30 years ago
[22:53] <ted_> hey
[22:53] <ted_> yeah i'm going home pretty soon anyway
[22:53] <cjwatson> ted_: oh, note that the installer downloads some components of itself on the fly - there'll certainly be more kernel modules present by the end of the installer vs. the start
[22:54] <ted_> okay
[22:54] <ted_> the thing that is really mystifying me is why things i put in the initrd don't show up during the preseed/run script
[22:55] <ted_> is / not always the root of the initrd?
[22:56] <ted_> cjwatson: anyway, i don't want to keep you up.  i'll be online tomorrow around 1300 UTC
[22:56] <cjwatson> is always the root of the initrd, unless explicitly chrooted to the installation target obviously
[22:56] <ted_> yes
[22:56] <cjwatson> ok
[22:57] <cjwatson> happy to look at a sample preseed file + logs, or whatever
[22:58] <ted_> cool
[22:58] <cjwatson> or whatever other modifications you're making
[22:58] <ted_> oh ok
[22:58] <ted_> so among the packages it grabs
[22:59] <ted_> is probably one containing this module
[22:59] <ted_> so if i just explicitly stick it in the initrd
[22:59] <ted_> run depmod
[22:59] <ted_> repackage it
[22:59] <ted_> i should have it during preseed/run time?
[23:00] <ted_> thanks!


[05:21] <DaemonFC> What country is the data stored on Ubuntu One in?
[05:42] <kklimonda> DaemonFC: in the USA
[05:43] <DaemonFC> that rules it out then
[05:43] <DaemonFC> thank you
[05:43] <kklimonda> at least it was in the past
[05:43] <DaemonFC> I wouldn't want the FBI going up with fake warrants and such
[05:44] <kklimonda> sure
[05:44] <kklimonda> please remember that data is stored in the encrypted form
[05:44] <DaemonFC> doesn't really matter
[05:45] <DaemonFC> they like to fake terrorism emergencies to tap people's phones and see what library books they're reading
[05:46] <kklimonda> DaemonFC: it isn't really channel for this discussion
[05:46] <DaemonFC> How long before they go up to these online backup companies and say "spill it"?
[05:46] <DaemonFC> that's just why I was wondering
[07:13] <duanedesign> DaemonFC: The storage is taken care of by Amazon S3. They have servers all over the globe.
[07:14] <lifeless> duanedesign: they do, but you have to request a specific s3 availability zon, and as kklimonda says, currently its in the USA
[07:57] <duanedesign> lifeless: thank you for the clarification
[08:57]  * rye is away for 2 hours or so, need to have work-related documents translated
[09:05] <wgrant> My desktopcouch instance is downloading infuriatingly vast volumes of data from somewhere in the DC.
[09:05] <wgrant> How do I work out what it is doing and why?
[09:06] <rye> wgrant, you can look at the replication log in /.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log to see what is being replicated
[09:07]  * wgrant wonders how it makes sense to replicate Gwibber messages.
[09:08] <wgrant> But anyway, there are no obvious recent replication incidents in there.
[09:08] <wgrant> (nothing within 10 minutes, and I have nothing big in anything that I know to use desktopcouch)
[09:08] <wgrant> It's just downloading many megabytes of data.
[09:09] <wgrant> Hm:
[09:09] <wgrant> 2010-02-17 20:08:28,052 WARNING  haven't finished replicating before next time to start.
[09:18] <rye> wgrant, could you please check how much space your database take in futon - login via ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[09:18] <rye> wgrant, you might need to compact the databases or see what takes so much space
[09:19] <wgrant> rye: I'm trying to, but it's not letting me authenticate.
[09:19]  * wgrant restarts it.
[09:19] <wgrant> Oh goody, the dbus-send call hangs.
[09:19] <wgrant> (this is Lucid, btw)
[09:19] <rye> wgrant, it might have not written the .html file properly. This is known but I haven't yet tested whether this is fixed
[09:22] <wgrant> Still not letting me in even after I log out, kill everything, and then log back in.
[09:23] <wgrant> The credentials in the HTML match those in desktopcouch.ini.
[09:27] <wgrant> Any ideas how I can make it let me in?
[09:27] <wgrant> It would be nice if it would stop eating up my download quota without me having to kill it.
[09:29] <rye> wgrant, could you please run /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-stop then after it terminates the process, /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service - it should be left running in the terminal
[09:29] <rye> the port may be wrong
[09:30] <rye> ok, sorry, I really have to run now, since otherwise bad things will start to happen. I will get back here in 2 hours
[09:30] <wgrant> rye: Thanks for your help.
[14:17] <burn> hello, the ubuntu tool in karmic doesn't seem to sync anything
[14:22] <rye> burn, hello, could you please run the script mentioned at @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/Diagnostics to rule out known and quickly-fixable issues ?
[14:23] <burn> rye: no issues were detected
[14:24] <rye> burn, ok, then are you experiencing the problem at the moment ?
[14:24] <burn> yes
[14:24] <rye> burn, additionally, have you filed a bug report about that?
[14:24] <burn> nope, I didn't
[14:24] <burn> there are so many
[14:25] <rye> burn, ok, let's debug it here
[14:25] <burn> I sould enable the debug info
[14:25] <rye> burn, first of all - what does dbus-send --session --print-reply --dest=com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon --type=method_call /status com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Status.current_status print?
[14:25] <rye> burn, then, apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client - to verify the version
[14:26] <rye> burn, i.e. what version is seen as Installed ?
[14:27] <burn> rye: I get a python error
[14:27] <rye> burn, hmmm could you select it and paste it here ?
[14:27] <burn> version 1.0.3
[14:27] <rye> i guess the channel is silent enough so nobody will object
[14:27] <burn> ok I'll paste the first lines
[14:27] <burn> method return sender=:1.239 -> dest=:1.250 reply_serial=2
[14:27] <burn>    array [
[14:27] <burn>       dict entry(
[14:27] <burn>          string "is_error"
[14:28] <rye> burn, ok, could you please post it completely to paste.ubuntu.com and give the URL here?
[14:29] <burn> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/378371/ please
[14:30] <rye> burn, aha, so the client disconnected but it is still waiting. Ok, could you please post the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log to paste.ubuntu.com for diagnostic on how that happened and restart syncdaemon:
[14:30] <rye> burn, u1sdtool -q <- this quits syncdaemon
[14:30] <rye> burn, then click on the applet and select 'Connect', it should start doing something then.
[14:31] <rye> burn, when have it stopped syncing?
[14:32] <burn> rye: it didn't work at all
[14:32] <burn> did just a fresh install on my karmic machine
[14:33] <rye> burn, ok, then we'll definitely need ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log - it should not be this way.
[14:34] <burn> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/378374/
[14:35] <rye> burn, great
[14:35] <rye> burn, could you please open client preferences from the applet and see whether you have bandwidth limits set?
[14:37] <burn> rye: yeah I did
[14:37] <burn> 64KB
[14:37] <burn> upload
[14:37] <rye> burn, i believe the download is 0
[14:37] <burn> yeah, unlimited
[14:37] <burn> not?
[14:38] <rye> burn, not quite, this is the bad thing about the preferences window - 0 means literally 0 download rate.
[14:38] <rye> i.e. no download possible.
[14:38] <burn> you can't be serious
[14:38] <rye> additionally it breaks the software in a strange way, this is already filed as a bug and I keep poking the devs to make it obvious what setting does what
[14:39] <burn> rye: ok, now files got synched
[14:39] <rye> burn, yeah, this is a great thing, how can a person set unlimited upload rate?
[14:39] <burn> but I don't understand what the Shared with me folder does?
[14:40] <burn> that's probabely an example?
[14:40] <burn> and another question, is my data encrypted? Where and how does it resides on servers?
[14:41] <rye> burn, Shared with Me folder is for files that were shared with you. I.e. if someone wants to share his directory with you, these files will appear under SHared With Me/$share_name from $username
[14:42] <burn> ow ok
[14:42] <rye> burn, the data is encrypted when it is transmitted via the network, i.e. connection is done via SSL
[14:42] <burn> ok, that's one part
[14:42] <burn> but for me it's very important how data resides on the server side
[14:44] <rye> however the data is not encrypted on the production servers, that's why you can access it online - via https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ . However the development team does not have access to the user storage. As it was mentioned previously here, if the sysadmin that has access to the s3 storage accesses some user's data he will be fined and put to prison according to the contract.
[14:44] <burn> ok, I understand that
[14:44] <rye> burn, the storage itself is located at Amazon S3 service
[14:44] <burn> but when it happens, it can be too late
[14:45] <beuno> burn, yes. I wouldnt keep government secrets in it
[14:45] <beuno> or any third party for that matter
[14:46] <beuno> anyone who offers you web access to your files will need to have access to them some way or another
[14:46] <rye> burn, on the other hand, if you do not plan to access the files from the web service, you may encrypt the files prior to uploading.
[14:46] <burn> beuno: if the data is encrypted on the server, I would doubt
[15:25] <rye> dobey, true, sorry about appending to existing bug report
[19:44] <rye> wife needs my pc for sun wonderland test
[19:44] <rye> declaring end-of-day and go offline
[20:19] <dobey> what are the db names for the contacts and bookmarks dbs in desktopcouch?
[20:19] <dobey> 'contacts' and 'bookmarks'?
[20:20] <dobey> urbanape, CardinalFang: ^
[20:22] <urbanape> bookmarks for bindwood
[20:25] <dobey> great, thanks
[20:52] <CardinalFang> dobey, yes "contacts"
[20:52] <dobey> hooray, thanks
[22:23] <sanderqd> has anyone managed to connect to desktopcouch from within a google chrome extension?
[22:28] <dobey> sanderqd: supporting chrome requires writing an NPAPI plug-in to do most of the work
[22:49] <sanderqd> dobey: only for authentication i assume? as soon as it has authenticated, the http json api should be usable
[22:58] <sanderqd> s/authentication/getting the authentication details and server port/
[22:58] <dobey> desktopcouch doesn't have a json api
[22:58] <dobey> couch does
[22:58] <dobey> using the desktopcouch api requires an NPAPI plug-in to call to python
[22:59] <dobey> anyway, urbanape has looked into it, as research for getting bindwood ported to chrome
[23:14] <sanderqd> ok, just got started learning couchdb, haven't looked yet at what the desktopcouch api is exactly
[23:19] <dobey> you could talk to couchdb directly i guess, if you wanted to reimplement all the record format handling
[23:20] <dobey> desktopcouch provides api to get the port, connects with oauth, and handles some specific record formats


[09:13] <snake-venom1> hi
[09:14] <snake-venom1> i have installed php7 and php5 on my centos server, i can see php5 stopped
[09:14] <snake-venom1> [root@li1769-251 bin]# cd /opt/alt/php56/usr/bin
[09:14] <snake-venom1> [root@li1769-251 bin]# chmod +x *
[09:14] <snake-venom1> this i need to run daily to run php
[09:14] <snake-venom1> how to get rid from this?
[12:27] <snake-venom1> hi pavlushka
[12:27] <snake-venom1> how are you doing ?


[07:43] <txlinux1> getting error trying to configure network
[07:51] <txlinux1> expected mapping (check indentation)     - to <IP_ADDRESS>/0 no matter how I indent it, I get the error


[00:46] <ElderP> good evening folks
[09:13] <azat> Hi all, how can I download log of build that not finished yet?
[09:14] <wgrant> azat: You can only see the last few lines as shown on the build page.
[09:14] <wgrant> The full log isn't available until it completes.
[09:15] <azat> wgrant: But it never complete because there is an error in while loop, and if I stop the build I can`t get log too
[09:15] <azat> But on local machine it build succesfully
[09:15] <wgrant> azat: You've built it in pbuilder locally?
[09:15] <wgrant> Is it perhaps trying to access the Internet?
[09:15] <wgrant> That's not supported from the Launchpad build farm.
[09:16] <azat> Not it not access to internet
[09:16] <azat> I build libevent 2.0
[09:16] <azat> Localy I just run with debuild
[09:16] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[09:17] <wgrant> Try pbuilder, it gives you a clean build environment.
[10:00] <azat> wgrant: it builds with pbuilder
[10:00] <azat> on local machine
[10:12] <azat> wgrant: have any other ideas in what problem is?
[10:13] <wgrant> azat: Do you have a link to the build?
[10:13] <azat> Ofcouse, a sec
[10:15] <azat> https://launchpad.net/~a3at-mail/+archive/libevent/+build/3441556, i'v already send a patch to developers (but can`t uderstand why this happens) https://github.com/libevent/libevent/pull/8
[10:15] <wgrant> azat: Oh
[10:15] <wgrant> azat: It'll be a kernel version issue
[10:15] <wgrant> The PPA builders still run hardy kernels
[10:15] <wgrant> That's 2.6.24
[10:16] <azat> Oh.. but how can I see which of syscalls are not supported?
[10:16] <wgrant> The manpages will usually tell you when certain features were added
[10:16] <wgrant> VERSIONS The accept4() system call is available starting with Linux 2.6.28; support in glibc is available starting with version 2.10.
[10:16] <wgrant> Possibly relevant
[10:17] <wgrant> Oh look, it's using accept4 :)
[10:18] <azat> Do launchpad will update it kernels?
[10:18] <azat> For buildd
[10:18] <wgrant> We'll probably upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Linux 3.2) later this year.
[10:18] <wgrant> I don't know quite when, though.
[10:18] <azat> wgrant: yes, now I see that it is accept4
[10:19] <azat> BTW, Is it possible to save log after canceling of build?
[10:19] <wgrant> Not easily, unfortunately.
[10:19] <wgrant> Cancellation basically destroys the VM that the build is running it.
[10:20] <wgrant> To grab the log we'd have to negotiate with the build slave to copy the log across even though the build isn't finished. Now we just kill it immediately, to keep it simple so it always works.
[10:21] <azat> wgrant: I understand, hanks
[12:23] <Sweetshark> hi there, is there any way to restart the build at https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa/+build/3441748 ? it was canceled because of a "no space left on device" error, I Id like to retry building it hoping it gets a buildd that is not that limited ....
[12:25] <wgrant> Sweetshark: You need to reduce the build size.
[12:25] <wgrant> Or make arrangements with IS to get larger build FSes, but I don't think they'd like that idea much.
[12:34] <Sweetshark> wgrant: "reducing the build size" would make that build different from what will be shipped, or removing inbuild tests both of which is unacceptable. yes, IS should get larger build FS (and should have gotten them half a year ago). For now I am looking for a way to retry that build hoping to get a buildd with more space this time.
[12:37] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: you already have a large build size for the PPa much larger than I've ever seen set for others
[12:40] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: the problem is that LO depends on ~all of main, it needs some space to work with above that.
[12:41] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: as wgrant has already pointed outyou need to reduce the size or talk to IS.
[12:46] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: are you sure about that larger build size for i386 too? because amd64 is happy.
[12:47] <wgrant> Sweetshark: There are some hardware differences, but are you sure it's not doc builds and the like that only happen on i386?
[12:47] <Sweetshark> wgrant: ah, true.
[12:48] <wgrant> I forget if i18n is still build from the same source.
[12:50] <Sweetshark> wgrant: it is again. it wasnt for some time with some ugly and broken hack, which broke l10n for some important cornercases.
[12:50] <wgrant> I thought there must have been a reason I'd forgotten how it worked :)
[12:51] <wgrant> That would do it.
[15:36] <Lekensteyn> Hi, is this the right channels for questions on the API?
[15:36] <geser> the LP API? yes
[15:37] <Lekensteyn> Okay, what is the "memo" field used for?
[15:37] <Lekensteyn> as in https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/%7Ebumblebee/+archive/stable?ws.op=getPublishedBinaries&ws.size=75&memo=75&ws.start=75
[16:01] <Lekensteyn> ok got it thanks to internal documentation.
[16:01] <Lekensteyn> memo=X returns entry X if there are no entries for the requested ws.start param
[17:29] <dobey> anyone know how to fix this error: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/97012128/vcs-imports-abiword-trunk.log ?
[19:04] <smoser> hey. feeling dumb with launchpadlib.
[19:05] <smoser> i can get a specification with something like: ubuntu.getSpecification(name="servercloud-q-awstools")
[19:05] <smoser> but i can't find a way to get a specification other than by name
[19:12] <lifeless> smoser: what other ways would you like ?
[19:14] <smoser> i kind of wanted to "find" the list
[19:14] <smoser> either by saying "what specifications are there for project "Ubuntu"?"
[19:14] <smoser> or what specifications is 'smoser' the drafter of
[19:15] <smoser> all i can see right now is i can go to something like: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[19:15] <smoser> and search for names... and then use those.
[19:16] <smoser> i'm sure i'm just missing something
[19:20] <lifeless> according to https://api.launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#distribution
[19:21] <lifeless> it should on .all_specifications
[19:21] <lifeless> and probably a better one is valid_specifications
[19:22] <lifeless> smoser: ^
[19:27] <smoser> lifeless, thanks.
[21:12] <mhmodibrhm> Hellooo
[21:17] <david0rk> Hi all.
[21:17] <david0rk> is anyone on fairly familiar with bazaar?
[21:19] <david0rk> Hello?
[21:20] <david0rk> anone on?
[21:32] <mhmodibrhm> hello, i am a new ubuntu member and i have some questions about my mail
[21:36] <lifeless> !ask | david0rk
[21:36] <lifeless> !ask | mhmodibrhm
[21:38] <david0rk> Can anyone walk me through setting up bazaar  & integrating it with launchpad
[21:38] <mhmodibrhm> ok when my @ubuntu.com mail will work?
[21:41] <mhmodibrhm> lifeless: i am just approved as a new member and i want to know when my @ubuntu.com email will be working and if i want to change its name what could i do?
[21:41] <lifeless> it gets processed every few days
[21:41] <lifeless> to tweak it you can talk to the sysadmins in #canonical-sysadmin
[21:42] <lifeless> david0rk: I don't have the time right now, but where have you gotten up to ?
[21:42] <lifeless> (someone else may be able to help you, particularly if they know where you are up to)
[21:43] <david0rk> lifeless, I've got launchpad setup.   i've set a folder on my pc as tree
[21:44] <david0rk> i just need to add my source code (i'm assuming make a branch, copy my source to that folder) and push to launchpad
[21:49] <lifeless> that sounds about right
[22:19] <david0rk> ok. I've pushed a "blank" branch to launchpad.  Now on my pc what do i do to get my code to launchpad?
[22:22] <david0rk> nevermind.  I figured out using a bit of common sense and tinkering.   BAZAAR IS AWESOME!
[22:25] <lifeless> cool :)
[22:27] <david0rk> i didn't realize i had to add the files to the branch, (not just copy them there like dropbox or something) and then commit them before pushing.