[00:03] <UBuxuBU> why doesnt it at least show the swap
[00:03] <UBuxuBU> anfd u know there is a small system partition in there somewhere
[00:03] <ducasse> swap not a partition anymore
[00:04] <ducasse> *is not
[00:10] <OerHeks>  swapon -s # shows swapfile
[00:10] <OerHeks> cd / && ls # shows your root folder with the swapfile
[00:11] <MannyLNJ> Can I get helo with xbuntu in this channel?
[00:11] <OerHeks> MannyLNJ, sure, there is also #xubuntu here on #freenode
[00:12] <MannyLNJ> My problem is my audio is though a TV that is connectyed over HDMI and I am not getting any sound. Volume Control shows the output as SPDIF and it thinks it is playing sound. I haveno options to change the sound under volume control
[00:15] <OerHeks> MannyLNJ, open terminal: alsamixer # and see with F6 if you can change to hdmi
[00:17] <MannyLNJ> OerHeks, I can't it only lists HD-Audio Generic with a Realtek ALC887-VD chip
[00:25] <alnr> my icon dock disappears after a while. it comes back it on reboot. anyone know the fix for this?
[01:20] <shutch> hi all. i have a Intel NUC connected via USB-C -> DisplayPort to a KVM. It works fine through the KVM, but when I switch on the KVM, and switch back to the NUC, the NUC fails to wake up
[02:42] <ledeni> MannyLNJ: install 'pavucontrol' and check -- configuration for digital stereo ( hdmi)
[05:25] <leonardus> How do I get one of my drives to automatically mount? It mounts when I go into File Manager, then press "Other Locations" on the left, then select "2TB"
[05:26] <leonardus> I just want it to do that automatically
[05:39] <AndyChow888> leonardus, you have to edit the file fstab. It is located in /etc/fstab
[05:39] <leonardus> what do I need to change in it?
[05:41] <AndyChow888> Just edit it. Use any editor, running as root
[05:42] <AndyChow888> Then you need to add a line that will mount your drive, where to mount it, the mount options, etc
[06:06] <leonardus> AndyChow888: Yeah I'm not sure what to write on that line
[06:08] <AndyChow888> leonardus, what filesystem is your drive using? ext4?
[06:08] <leonardus> NTFS I think
[06:11] <AndyChow888> If you do "lsblk" in the terminal, can you see your drive? It should say sdd or sdc or something like that.
[06:11] <leonardus> └─sdb2   8:18   0   1.8T  0 part /media/ubuntu/2TB
[06:13] <AndyChow888> So add this line: /dev/sdb2        /WIN     ntfs-3g   rw 0 0
[06:14] <AndyChow888> That will add the drive to /WIN (obviously, you can change that. Say /home/leo/WIN, whatever)
[06:14] <leonardus> could I make it /media/ubuntu/2TB?
[06:14] <AndyChow888> Yes
[06:14] <leonardus> just so it's consistent with what it used to be
[06:15] <AndyChow888> But, humm, perhaps /media/ubuntu will have a problem with that. You can try it, see if it works.
[06:15] <OerHeks> there is a wiki for that too, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:15] <AndyChow888> Also, make sure ntfs-3g is installed. But it should be.
[06:16] <TikityTik> I cant get mu vurned dvd of ubuntu to install, it keeos going into live session
[06:16] <TikityTik> Burned
[06:17] <leonardus> AndyChow888: this good? https://i.imgur.com/McqQc85.png
[06:17] <AndyChow888> No, leonardus. Add the line after you mount /
[06:18] <AndyChow888> Add it at the end
[06:18] <AndyChow888> Otherwise, the line itself is fine.
[06:18] <leonardus> ok. just curious btw, what would happen if i left it at the top?
[06:18] <Ben64> idk if it'll like being mounted in /media/ubuntu
[06:19] <AndyChow888> It might work. But when / mounts, it will squash the rest.
[06:20] <leonardus> i've rebooted, seems to be working as expected. thanks!
[06:20] <AndyChow888> You can actually mount drives that way, /home, then /home/something, and if something exists, it's overmounted by the next one. But I don't want to add confusion.
[06:21] <AndyChow888> leonardus, if ever you mount other drives, the /dev/sdb2 letter might change. The link OerHeks provided is good, as it shows how to use UUID, which is a more robust method than /dev/sdX
[06:23] <leonardus> so: UUID=D062EFCE62EFB77E   /media/ubuntu/2TB       ntfs-3g rw      0       0
[06:24] <AndyChow888> Yeah, if that is the UUID that blkid gives you for /dev/sdb2
[06:25] <Kaidok5797> Is it possible to dual boot install Ubuntu on a windows machine using a SD card (built in SD card reader) instead of a USB stick?
[06:25] <OerHeks> Kaidok5797, technically yes, depends on your machine, can it boot from the cardreader?
[06:26] <Kaidok5797> I'm not sure tbh. I've never tried
[06:26] <Kaidok5797> the card reader drive does show up in file explorer as its own drive
[06:27] <leonardus> AndyChow888: what is <dump> and <pass> by the way?
[06:27] <OerHeks> prepare that sd card like a regular usb drive, and let us know
[06:27] <AndyChow888> leonardus, it has something to do with running a fsck so often.
[06:27] <Kaidok5797> Or could I even use my iphone as a USB stick to boot from?
[06:27] <Kaidok5797> Ok so no harm in trying then?
[06:28] <AndyChow888> Good luck booting from an iphone.
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> I just don't have a USB stick
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> =(
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> or blank DVD media
[06:28] <AndyChow888> But yeah, an ssd card works, depending on your hardware.
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> I seen the network install option on the ubuntu website but it basically says its not for the faint of heart so I'm hesitant to try it.
[06:29] <AndyChow888> You have to try. OerHeks is correct. I have hardware that boots from ssd's, and some that don't.
[06:29] <AndyChow888> Network install, PXE, requires that you have a server to install from, which I'm sure you don't.
[06:30] <Kaidok5797> hmmm.. could I not set that up on my laptop and use that as the server for my desktop?
[06:30] <Kaidok5797> How "powerful" of a server are we talking about running?
[06:32] <OerHeks> a server with 1 client,  i386 - 256 mb would do
[06:32] <Kaidok5797> This is basically a "fun" project for me.. so I'm good with whatever happens either way. Going to try the SSD card first. I'll let you guys know
[06:32] <Kaidok5797> That would be no problem.
[06:32] <Kaidok5797> Can the client be wireless?
[06:42] <za1b1tsu> Hello, how can I check if dnsmasq is running?
[06:45] <uniquerockrz> za1b1tsu: htop?
[06:45] <Kaidok5797> OerHeks So far so good, Rufus sees the CD card as a device it can work with
[06:47] <JoshuaD> xubuntu 18.04: How do I change my monitor positions in the light dm login screen? I have three monitors and the left and right monitors are backwards
[06:49] <JoshuaD> by backwards I mean their positions should be swapped
[06:49] <uniquerockrz> JoshuaD: usually there is a setting called display which allows you to change monitor positions. I am not sure if it comes installed by default in xubuntu
[06:49] <Kaidok5797> This is exciting!
[06:50] <Kaidok5797> I haven't used Ubuntu in many years
[06:50] <JoshuaD> @uniquerockrz, That works once I am logged in, but I'd like to mess w/ the login screen.
[06:50] <JoshuaD> my monitors are fine when I am at my desktop, but at the login screen the left and right monitors are swapped
[06:54] <Kaidok5797> aight rebooting... wish me luck!
[07:01] <Kaidok5797> Hmmm looks like I’ll need to change the boot order in my BIOS
[07:02] <uniquerockrz> JoshuaD: Maybe there will be some option to chnage in lightdm config.
[07:03] <JoshuaD> I'm looking at /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.dpkg-dist and the other files here, there might be some magic words I can put in these files, but I don't see anything to edit
[07:03] <JoshuaD> like, nothing about monitor positions
[07:13] <leonardus> My monitors are out of order when I boot up the computer (so the login screen is on the right monitor), but once I log in they're set to the correct oder
[07:13] <leonardus> order*
[07:13] <leonardus> Is there a way to set the default order when the system boots?
[07:13] <Kaidok5797> Hmmmmm
[07:14] <Kaidok5797> Are there other BIOS changes I need to change for this to work? I remember reading somewhere about AHCI or IDE
[07:14] <Kaidok5797> My emulation is set to AHCI will that work?
[07:15] <AndyChow888> Should, Kaidok5797
[07:15] <JoshuaD> @leonardus, I'm working on the same question atm.
[07:16] <Kaidok5797> Dang it SD card as a USB boot device won’t work for me it doesn’t appear
[07:16] <Kaidok5797> I guess that means to Ubuntu for me
[07:16] <AndyChow888> The default boot order is set in the BIOS.
[07:16] <Kaidok5797> No
[07:17] <Kaidok5797> Yea... but my SD card reader doesn’t appear in the list
[07:17] <AndyChow888> Kaidok5797, many hardware BIOSes do not support booting from SD cards. Many do.
[07:17] <Kaidok5797> There has to be another way to do this... hmmm
[07:20] <Kaidok5797> I’m going to read to see how hard this network install is
[07:26] <uniquerockrz> Usually I assume the monitor connected to VGA is set to monitor 0. HDMI is monitor 1.
[07:26] <uniquerockrz> I havent used more monitors in my setup, so I dont have idea after that
[07:29] <leonardus> JoshuaD: fixed it
[07:29] <leonardus> i just swapped the cables
[07:30] <leonardus> except now grub and the bios is on the right monitor
[07:30] <Kaidok5797> So if I’m doing the NetBoot option... do I need the version with the HWE kernel?
[07:39] <Kaidok5797> So when I click the link to download the NetBoot installer, I instead get the index page of the files. Do I need to download ALL of these?
[07:42] <Kaidok5797> OMG this is crazy
[07:42] <Kaidok5797> How the heck am I supposed to download all this files from an index page?
[07:46] <Kaidok5797> Visual wget... ok ok...
[07:46] <Kaidok5797> Man I’m really going down a deep rabbit hole here
[07:50] <ledeni> Kaidok5797: why not use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[07:51] <Kaidok5797> Ledeni that would require me to have a blank CD/DVD to burn it to would it not?
[07:52] <ledeni> you can burn to sdd card
[07:52] <uniquerockrz> Kaidok5797: you can make a falsh drive bootable too
[07:52] <Kaidok5797> Ledeni but I tried that with the full desktop
[07:52] <Kaidok5797> And I can’t get the SSD card to boot
[07:53] <Kaidok5797> I used Rufus to make it bootable
[07:53] <Kaidok5797> Uniquerockrz I made a bootable SSD with the ISO image but when I reboot my PC it doesn’t boot from it
[07:54] <uniquerockrz> Kaidok5797: do u have access to a machine running linux?
[07:54] <Kaidok5797> No
[07:54] <Kaidok5797> I have an old windows 7 laptop
[07:54] <Kaidok5797> Hence why I was going to try the NetBoot
[07:54] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: you don't have a flash drive?
[07:54] <Kaidok5797> Nah
[07:55] <uniquerockrz> Kaidok5797: what are your laptop specs? Do u know what your network driver is?
[07:55] <Kaidok5797> If I can’t get this to work I’ll just get one I suppose
[07:55] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: that would be way easier than messing with this
[07:56] <Kaidok5797> Yea... but I figure if I DO get this to work... I’ve learned something I didn’t know how to do before
[07:56] <ducasse> that's true :)
[07:56] <Kaidok5797> Which is really what this whole foray is about for me anyway lol
[07:57] <Kaidok5797> uniquerockrs AMD Athelon II P340 Dual Core 2.2 GHz
[07:58] <Kaidok5797> 64 bit windows 7
[08:06] <za1b1tsu> To install dnsmasq I had to disable systemd-resolved. Is this bad?
[08:08] <za1b1tsu> and after restarting, dnsmasq service cannot start: https://paste.ofcode.org/Zf5rBbStFYc3MjbBW3N5bT
[08:17] <Ben64> za1b1tsu: ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf
[08:32] <Kaidok5797> OMG
[08:32] <Kaidok5797> I think I may have found a blank CD
[08:32] <Kaidok5797> Lol
[08:33] <Kaidok5797> ROFL I did!
[08:34] <Kaidok5797> So it only has 700MB though...so I should go for a mini install is that correct ledeni?
[08:36] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: is the machine uefi?
[08:36] <Kaidok5797> How can I find out?
[08:37] <ducasse> there would be settings in the bios to choose between uefi and legacy/csm boot modes, and maybe secure boot settings
[08:38] <Kaidok5797> Yes. I did see both of those in my BIOS
[08:39] <ducasse> the mini iso does not support uefi boot, so if you want to use that you should use the server or lubuntu alternate images instead
[08:39] <ducasse> (at least it didn't use to)
[08:39] <ducasse> or install in legacy mode
[08:40] <Kaidok5797> It says
[08:40] <Kaidok5797> Hmmm
[08:40] <Kaidok5797> What would be issues with installing in legacy mode?
[08:41] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: not anything, just older tech, you could always convert to uefi later after the installation is done
[08:41] <ducasse> no issues as such, unless you dual boot with an os that is installed in uefi mode already
[08:42] <Kaidok5797> So no harm no foul by using this mini installer then either way correct?
[08:42] <EriC^^> just be sure to make the partition table GPT when you partition
[08:42] <Kaidok5797> I’m running windows 10 on a PC that was originally installed with windows 7
[08:42] <Kaidok5797> I’ve already partitioned
[08:42] <Kaidok5797> Hmmm
[08:42] <TJ-> ^^ and leave space for an EFI System Partition if there isn't one :)
[08:42] <Kaidok5797> I partitioned 50 GB total for Ubuntu
[08:43] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: if you're running win10 you might be using uefi mode
[08:43] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: in any case it won't really matter, just set the bios to csm legacy to boot the mini installer
[08:45] <Kaidok5797> Wait wait wait... interesting
[08:45] <Kaidok5797> I don’t see my partition in the Disk Managment
[08:45] <TJ-> Any ideas for a package that maintains a catalog/index of offline storage devices? preferably via simple symlinks in its own file-system rather than a separate database
[08:46] <Kaidok5797> Ok well apparently I didn’t partition correctly the first time... so partition using GPT?
[08:47] <ducasse> see if there is an efi partition
[08:48] <Kaidok5797> I. See... NTFS
[08:48] <Kaidok5797> And FAT32
[08:48] <Kaidok5797> FAT32 is my SSD card slot so thats not it
[08:48] <Kaidok5797> System and OC c:/ are both NTFS
[08:48] <ducasse> ok, the efi partition would be fat32
[08:49] <Kaidok5797> Thats the SSD card slot...
[08:49] <ZaZaQR> hello
[08:49] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: then you're in legacy mode, just go ahead and install
[08:49] <Kaidok5797> Ok cool
[08:51] <Kaidok5797> Here goes nothin
[08:53] <Kaidok5797> Should I burn “like a USB flash drive” so I can save edit and delete files on the disc at anytime or “with a CD/DVD player” were files can’t be edited or removed?
[08:54] <Kaidok5797> Nevermind
[08:54] <Kaidok5797> I’m going to follow the instructions for a DVD
[08:57] <thinky> hi
[08:57] <thinky> how can i add chromium repository to receive updates?
[08:58] <giaco> Hello! I keep failing in recreating the effect of "sudo ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 via <IP_ADDRESS>" in netplan. I've been trying different yml combinations: routes:, with or without on-link: true, with or without gateway4:, but after a couple of hours I haven't still found the solution.
[08:58] <giaco> This is my current setup http://ix.io/1rBy . If I do "sudo netplan apply && sudo ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 via <IP_ADDRESS>" with this config I end up with the desired result. How to do this in netplan only? Thank you
[08:58] <ducasse> thinky: chromium receives updates in the ubuntu repos. if you want them quicker you could try the snap.
[08:58] <TJ-> giaco: g'morning; I see the missing route on A was the issue then?
[08:59] <thinky> i installed chromium from store
[08:59] <thinky> i think it is already snap
[08:59] <giaco> TJ-: hey TJ-! Thank you! :D
[09:00] <giaco> TJ-: yes, route missing on A plus iptable edit on B
[09:01] <TJ-> giaco: when you add a netplan 'routes' stanza, what is the result in the routing table itself?
[09:01] <giaco> TJ-: you went away yesterday, I tried to leave a thank you message, not sure if you get it
[09:02] <TJ-> giaco: yeah... I had forgotten to plug the AC into the laptop!
[09:04] <giaco> TJ-: this is original "ip route show" without any "routes:" or "ip route add" http://ix.io/1rCn . Now I am going to edit the yml. http://ix.io/1rCn
[09:08] <giaco> TJ-: this is a modified yml with the result "ip route show" after netplan apply http://ix.io/1rCq
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> Ducasse can I just have the Ubuntu installer do the partitioning for me?
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> I’m afraid I’m going to mess this part up
[09:13] <TJ-> giaco: are you reloading systemd-networkd or re-running the netplan generator when you do that?
[09:13] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: i don't remember if there is an automatic partitioning option on the mini iso
[09:13] <giaco> TJ-: no, it is not required. When I do "sudo netplan apply" the "ip route show" does change
[09:13] <Kaidok5797> Ahhh ok
[09:13] <TJ-> giaco: right, that is re-running the generator
[09:14] <TJ-> giaco: check the generated systemd-network file under /run/systemd/network/ - that might give us clues
[09:15] <TJ-> giaco: we'd expect it to contain some systemd-specific route options
[09:16] <giaco> TJ-: if you have some patience I will continue shortly. Need to spend some minutes in urgent business
[09:18] <Kaidok5797> Soo ducasse I tried partitioning and it didn’t work lol It. Didn’t make a partition at all
[09:24] <Kaidok5797> Omg so I’m going to have to move my windows recovery partition
[09:25] <ducasse> why?
[09:25] <Kaidok5797> Something about having more than one primary partition
[09:25] <Kaidok5797> And being in legacy mode
[09:27] <ducasse> just make extended/logical partitions if there isn't room for more primaries
[09:27] <Kaidok5797> I have no clue how to do that....
[09:27] <ZaZaQR> hello
[09:29] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: it should ask you what kind of partition to create, iirc
[09:31] <tomboy644> hi guys
[09:31] <Kaidok5797> I have no such option ducasse I can however make it a “Simple Volume”
[09:31] <Faults> Hey
[09:32] <tomboy644> i manually installed a bunch of packages via `apt install bla bla bla`. Now I want to deselect them, so they are not registered as "manually installed" anymore, so that autoremove clears those packages, that are not depended upon by other packages already.
[09:33] <Kaidok5797> Ok apparently making it a “simple volume” allows me to choose NTFS or exFAT
[09:33] <ducasse> tomboy644: 'apt-mark auto packagename'
[09:33] <Kaidok5797> And I can choose a drive letter to assign it
[09:33] <tomboy644> much obliged, ducasse
[09:34] <Kaidok5797> I can also set an “allocation unit size” no idea what that is
[09:35] <Kaidok5797> Screw it, I’m doing it
[09:35] <Kaidok5797> Lol
[09:35] <Kaidok5797> Or not
[09:36] <Kaidok5797> Pop up box says I won’t be able to start up any installed operating systems on the volume because it will be dynamic
[09:36] <Kaidok5797> Maybe installing Ubuntu on this computer is just impossible
[09:36] <ducasse> are you doing this from windows?
[09:37] <Kaidok5797> Yes windows 10
[09:37] <Kaidok5797> That was upgraded from windows 7
[09:37] <ducasse> we can't help you with that, you should be able to partition from the installer
[09:37] <Kaidok5797> I’m booting the installer now
[09:38] <Kaidok5797> Seeing what happens
[09:38] <Kaidok5797> Hmm this isn’t a good sign
[09:39] <Kaidok5797> Heyyy I have an option to “run UEFI Application”
[09:39] <rpifan> moin
[09:39] <Kaidok5797> This is so so bizarre
[09:42] <Kaidok5797> It’s doing something anyway
[09:43] <Kaidok5797> it’s downloading additional components
[09:43] <Kaidok5797> I’m not sure where to since I never told it where the partition was or anything of the sort
[09:54] <polysics> hello! anyone can think of why I am adding rules to iptables but they don't show in iptables -L, nor work?
[09:55] <vlt> polysics: How do you add them?
[09:56] <polysics> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 5060 -j DROP for example
[09:56] <polysics> (I would like to block SIP traffic from the outside)
[09:56] <polysics> this is a Docker machine, but I was assumign blocking on eth0 would work
[09:57] <vlt> polysics: When running that command, what output do you get?
[09:57] <polysics> vlt: absolutely nothing
[09:57] <polysics> not sure if I should be seeing anything, I don't remember from other times
[09:58] <Kaidok5797> This is impossible. I’m tired. I think my attempt at installing Ubuntu is now over. Sad that in 2018 they make it so hard for someone on a windows machine to also install and use a Linux Distro. It used to be so so easy. =(
[09:58] <vlt> polysics: Nothing usually is a good sign ;-)  And `iptables -L` doesn't list it then?
[09:58] <polysics> Kaidok5797: it's never been a problem for me. Do you have weird hardware?
[09:58] <Kaidok5797> I guess I dunno
[09:58] <polysics> vlt: no, not in the list (and ofc not working)
[09:59] <Kaidok5797> The installer just doesn’t see the partition as useable
[09:59] <Kaidok5797> And I can’t make a usable partition in windows
[09:59] <polysics> running with -v I get DROP  tcp opt -- in * out *  <IP_ADDRESS>/0  -> <IP_ADDRESS>/0   tcp dpt:5060
[09:59] <Kaidok5797> My only option is to just format the entire drive and use it
[09:59] <polysics> which is correct and would work IF IT WAS THERE :D
[09:59] <Kaidok5797> Which would get rid of windows completely.
[09:59] <polysics> I can restart the container and un-map port 5060 but at some point I do want access from some specific machines
[10:01] <Kaidok5797> Polysics “there are no free MBR slots on this disk”
[10:02] <mouses> Kaidok5797: What disk is this?  the install medium or the target system?
[10:02] <Kaidok5797> Target system
[10:02] <mouses> Kaidok5797: Are you intending to like, keep windows around for dual booting purposes?
[10:02] <polysics> first time I see something like this. I almost want to restart just to see if it is something weird
[10:03] <Kaidok5797> Yes, exactly mouses
[10:04] <giaco> TJ-: I'm back on the problem, I feel that the missing piece is "how to set a static route for a docker network". Because if I add the netplan routes: on br0 is wrong, I should add them for the docker interface. Now I am not sure if I should add it though netplan or though docker, what I am sure is that this ip route show is working http://ix.io/1rCD
[10:04] <polysics> it's not like I can'twork but it is weird and annoying
[10:05] <mouses> Kaidok5797: You're going to need to do some file system changes, I'm heading to bed but this guide might help (not sure if the software is free, but I bet you can find something to fix it)
[10:05] <mouses> https://www.partitionwizard.com/partitionmagic/no-free-mbr-slots.html#partition-wizard
[10:05] <mouses> my windows knowledge is a decade out of date :(
[10:05] <mouses> night night
[10:05] <Kaidok5797> Thank you mouses I appreciate it!
[10:08] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: do you have some sort of live usb you can use?
[10:09] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: it might be that you have stray gpt data in the disk, that usually causes the installer to not see the disk partitions, "sudo fixparts /dev/sdX"  (replacing X with the disk) should find the stray gpt if any and offer to fix it
[10:12] <Kaidok5797> I can’t sudo anything in windows lol
[10:12] <Kaidok5797> But I thin mouses thingy may have worked... we shall see
[10:12] <Kaidok5797> Think
[10:12] <ZaZaQR> Kaidok5797, are you trying to make a LiveCD via USB flash drive of ubuntu?
[10:13] <Kaidok5797> No no I already have the installation media
[10:13] <ZaZaQR> ok
[10:13] <Kaidok5797> It’s the making a usable partition thats the issue
[10:13] <ZaZaQR> ah ic
[10:14] <ZaZaQR> you might need partitionwizard
[10:14] <ZaZaQR> its on Windows
[10:14] <Kaidok5797> yea I have it now
[10:14] <ZaZaQR> cool
[10:14] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: yeah, i meant if you can get any live usb to issue that fixparts command
[10:14] <ZaZaQR> can you partition it?
[10:14] <Kaidok5797> Well the problem is I can only have 4 primary partitions
[10:14] <Kaidok5797> And I already had 4
[10:15] <Kaidok5797> So I changed one to logical
[10:15] <ZaZaQR> makes sense
[10:15] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: does the installer see any partitions or it's just that it's not being usable?
[10:15] <Kaidok5797> It allowed me to at least assign the paritition i made a driver letter
[10:15] <Kaidok5797> It didn’t at first... seeing if it will see it now
[10:15] <EriC^^> didn't what? :D
[10:15] <Kaidok5797> Before it seen it as “unusable”
[10:15] <EriC^^> the whole disk?
[10:16] <Kaidok5797> No just the partition I made to install Ubuntu in
[10:16] <EriC^^> well, duh
[10:16] <EriC^^> you dont actually make a partition to install ubuntu, you just make unallocated space
[10:16] <ZaZaQR> cool
[10:16] <ZaZaQR> does ubuntu works now?
[10:16] <EriC^^> the installer takes care of the rest
[10:16] <Kaidok5797> But it wanted to format my entire drive lol
[10:17] <ZaZaQR> yeah it does that, unless you customize your partition
[10:17] <Kaidok5797> I need to keep windows
[10:17] <EriC^^> it should give the option "install alongside windows"
[10:17] <ZaZaQR> its easier to install windows first, than ubuntu
[10:17] <Kaidok5797> Windows is installed first
[10:18] <Kaidok5797> Windows was already installed... but it used up all 4 usable partitions
[10:18] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: if you've already partitioned for ubuntu, then you need to make a ext4 formatted partition for ubuntu to use it
[10:18] <EriC^^> aha
[10:19] <Urbanecm> Hi, any way how to restart Bluetooth manager in Ubuntu?
[10:19] <Urbanecm> With no reasons, bluetooth adapter just turned off and I cannot turn it back on in settings
[10:20] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: try "rfkill list"
[10:20] <Urbanecm> I click on the toggle, it just change its color (not moving to the "on" position)
[10:20] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, https://pastebin.com/VKwSXxkv
[10:21] <EriC^^> looks good
[10:21] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: try 'sudo systemctl restart bluetooth'
[10:21] <Kaidok5797> What should I select for “How to use this partition”?
[10:21] <Kaidok5797> Ext 4?
[10:21] <Kaidok5797> Journaling?
[10:22] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: yes, ext4 and mountpoint "/"
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> Mountpoint isn’t an option
[10:22] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, done, still cannot turn bluetooth on
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> “Ext4 journaling file system” is though
[10:22] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: yeah, you want that
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> Oh I see
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> The mountpoint now
[10:23] <EriC^^> how much ram does your pc have?
[10:23] <EriC^^> in any case, you can always create a swapfile later, that's what 18.04 does by default anyways
[10:23] <Kaidok5797> I can’t set it as a bootable
[10:23] <Kaidok5797> I cant’ use the bootable flag
[10:23] <Kaidok5797> is that ok?
[10:24] <EriC^^> yeah i guess
[10:24] <EriC^^> windows is gonna need that bootflag
[10:24] <Kaidok5797> You guess?
[10:24] <Kaidok5797> I mean... it still sees the partition as a logical partition
[10:24] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: yeah, linux doesnt really need a bootflag to boot
[10:24] <Kaidok5797> Wouldn’t let me change it to primary
[10:24] <Kaidok5797> Even in a dual boot scenario?
[10:25] <EriC^^> yeah, it doesnt matter
[10:25] <EriC^^> some bios however do require a bootflag on some partition to load the bootloader code
[10:26] <EriC^^> and windows needs it on its partition to boot, so no worries you're good\
[10:26] <Kaidok5797> It’s asking about swap space.
[10:26] <Kaidok5797> I can create swap space later correct?
[10:26] <EriC^^> also linux doesn't need to be on a primary partition
[10:26] <EriC^^> yeah
[10:27] <Kaidok5797> Cross fingers
[10:28] <ZaZaQR> lol
[10:28] <Kaidok5797> While its “installing base system” I’m going to grab some food real quick
[10:28] <Kaidok5797> I’ll be back
[10:28] <Kaidok5797> To cry if my windows is gone lo
[10:28] <Kaidok5797> L
[10:28] <EriC^^> comfort snacks :D
[10:28] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, any other advice? :)
[10:28] <Katnip> i need my screensaver (xscreensaver) daemon to start when i boot, how do i tell systemctl this?
[10:29] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: no idea i'm afraid :)
[10:29] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, I should note that this got fixed by rebooting the notebook
[10:29] <Urbanecm> so there must be some service that must be restarted...
[10:29] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: maybe the indicator is screwed up? it's called "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-service"
[10:30] <EriC^^> you could stop it using "ps aux | grep bluetooth"
[10:30] <Urbanecm> ls: cannot access '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-service': No such file or directory
[10:30] <EriC^^> and kill <pid here>
[10:30] <EriC^^> aha
[10:30] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: anything in "ps aux | grep bluetooth" ?
[10:30] <EriC^^> or "dmesg | grep bluetooth" ?
[10:31] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QR7fWv7vKY/
[10:31] <Urbanecm> dmesg | grep bluetooth is empty
[10:31] <EriC^^> Katnip: i'd add it to the startup apps
[10:32] <EriC^^> Katnip: or if you want you could make a systemd unit file for it
[10:32] <EriC^^> is it like a daemon?
[10:32] <Kaidok5797> 78% done
[10:32] <Kaidok5797> I’m very very thankful for IRC on my iPad Pro right now
[10:33] <Katnip> yes it's a daemon
[10:33] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, killed 2688, issued sudo service bluetooth stop, waited a few secs, then sudo service bluetooth start, tried to turn bluetooth on again.
[10:34] <Urbanecm> The process obexd reappeared
[10:34] <Urbanecm> and nothing changed :(
[10:34] <Kaidok5797> if this works... I’m throwing a party lol
[10:34] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: does it randomly just stop or after resume from suspend/hibernation?
[10:35] <Katnip> ive usually had 'sudo systemctl enable xscreensaver' but apparently i'm not remembering correctly
[10:35] <Urbanecm> No, I was listening to Spotify via my wireless headset and suddently the headset indicated it was disconnected. I opened bluetooth settings and noticed bluetooth is dsabled
[10:35] <Urbanecm> as well my wireless mouse stopped to work
[10:37] <EriC^^> Katnip: does "systemctl list-units | grep screensaver" list anything?
[10:38] <Katnip> no
[10:38] <Morfeus^> hello
[10:38] <ZaZaQR> hi
[10:38] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: try in a terminal "bluetoothctl"
[10:39] <EriC^^> then type "power off" then "power on"
[10:39] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, power off failed with "No default controller available"
[10:39] <Urbanecm> $ bluetoothctl
[10:39] <Urbanecm> Agent registered
[10:39] <Urbanecm> [bluetooth]# power off
[10:39] <Urbanecm> No default controller available
[10:39] <Urbanecm> maybe I should run it as root?
[10:41] <EriC^^> yeah do that
[10:41] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, still same (error?) message
[10:41] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: does "lspci | grep -i network" show any network controller?
[10:42] <Urbanecm> $ lspci | grep -i network
[10:42] <Urbanecm> 07:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32)
[10:42] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: what about 'bluetoothctl
[10:42] <EriC^^> ' then running "list" ?
[10:42] <Urbanecm> nothing shown
[10:43] <Kaidok5797> Ut oh
[10:44] <SimonNL> Urbanecm: hciconfig, hciconfig -a
[10:44] <Kaidok5797> What happens if the process hangs during installation?
[10:44] <Urbanecm> SimonNL, both show nothing
[10:44] <SimonNL> doesn't proceed
[10:44] <Urbanecm> ftr, didn't run it as root
[10:45] <SimonNL> no need
[10:45] <Kaidok5797> Oh wait there it goes again
[10:45] <C0rn3j> How do I verify netplan config? netplan apply/generate return status code 0 even if the config doesn't work.
[10:46] <C0rn3j> And how do I bind on more than 512 IPs with netplan, it binds to none if I cross that limit. I was able to bind to 900 IPs just fine via interfaces.d on 16.04. Now on a clean 18.04 install I'm having issues migrating.
[10:46] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: what does "lspci -k -s 07:00.0" give?
[10:46] <Urbanecm> 07:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32)
[10:46] <Urbanecm>         Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
[10:46] <Urbanecm>         Kernel driver in use: ath10k_pci
[10:46] <Urbanecm>         Kernel modules: ath10k_pci
[10:47] <bumblefuzz> my mouse has recently stopped working. this occurs only for clicking, right or left, and happens with both my trackpad and my bluetooth wireless mouse. I recently wiped and reinstalled to an earlier (16.04 from 18.04) version of ubuntu and it's still happening. Where do I begin fixing this?
[10:48] <Kaidok5797> Eric^^ its asking which display manager to use... gdm3 or lightdm ?
[10:48] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: try this maybe it works "rfkill block bluetooth" "rfkill unblock bluetooth" "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth"
[10:49] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: it's a personal preference, i guess if you'll be using gnome then install gdm3
[10:49] <giaco> anybody here that knows how to setup static route in ubuntu 18.04?
[10:49] <SimonNL> Urbanecm: Bluetooth appears in dmesg with capitol b     so you should have done    dmesg|grep Bluetooth or dmesg|grep -i bluetooth
[10:49] <Kaidok5797> Is this something I can change later?
[10:49] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: yeah, it's just the initial login screen before you get to the desktop
[10:49] <Kaidok5797> Gotcha
[10:50] <bumblefuzz> my mouse has recently stopped working. this occurs only for clicking, right or left, and happens with both my trackpad and my bluetooth wireless mouse. I recently wiped and reinstalled to an earlier (16.04 from 18.04) version of ubuntu and it's still happening. Where do I begin fixing this?
[10:50] <SimonNL> Urbanecm: should show something like this  https://git.io/fpq6P
[10:50] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: are you using the wireless right now?
[10:51] <EriC^^> i mean wireless internet
[10:51] <Urbanecm> SimonNL, dmesg | grep -i bluetooth show http://termbin.com/1e5n
[10:51] <Urbanecm> EriC^^, no, I'm cable connected
[10:51] <Urbanecm> I have wifi here, cable is just faster :-)
[10:51] <Kaidok5797> Bumblefuzz I’m sure someone will get to you when they get the chance
[10:51] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: amen :)
[10:51] <SimonNL> Urbanecm: looks disturbing
[10:52] <Urbanecm> SimonNL, what looks disturbing?
[10:52] <SimonNL> http://termbin.com/1e5n <= Urbanecm
[10:53] <Urbanecm> hmm
[10:53] <Kaidok5797> This installation is taking awhile
[10:53] <Kaidok5797> I might fall asleep
[10:53] <EriC^^> SimonNL: Urbanecm seems that's more of a bug in the logging system
[10:54] <EriC^^> bug #198699
[10:54] <TJ-> giaco: Just got back; Yes, I agree, the route needs to be set on (and presumably by) docker, since that is a virtual interface that will be created much later than when the br0 is created
[10:54] <EriC^^> oops, bug #1748565
[10:55] <EriC^^> Urbanecm: try maybe removing the module then loading it again, sudo modprobe -r ath10k_pci , sudo modprobe ath10k_pci
[10:55] <TJ-> giaco: maybe you could use some kind of (systemd) trigger when the docker0 device/route appears, or possibly via udev
[10:55] <Urbanecm> no luck :(
[10:55] <giaco> TJ-: hey there! I'm still googling "docker static route" with no success. I have successfully created docker network interface with constant name, but still unsure about where to wait the event
[10:59] <Kaidok5797> 40% done
[10:59] <Kaidok5797> Wow
[10:59] <Kaidok5797> Maybe I should try to get some sleep
[10:59] <TJ-> giaco: is docker being started by a systemd unit? if so you could create a simple unit that Requires= and After= that unit, and executes the "ip route add ..."
[11:00] <giaco> TJ-: yes, it is enabled in systemd
[11:02] <bumblefuzz> my mouse has recently stopped working. this occurs only for clicking, right or left, and happens with both my trackpad and my bluetooth wireless mouse. I recently wiped and reinstalled to an earlier (16.04 from 18.04) version of ubuntu and it's still happening. Where do I begin fixing this?
[11:02] <giaco> TJ-: I'm watching udevadm monitor to catch the line
[11:03] <giaco> TJ-: here we go: KERNEL[120587.803072] add      /devices/virtual/net/docker_vpn (net) and UDEV  [120587.837166] add      /devices/virtual/net/docker_vpn (net)
[11:07] <bumblefuzz> ok, I tried restarting bluetooth
[11:07] <bumblefuzz> and it said no adapters found
[11:08] <bumblefuzz> it seems like my bluetooth adapter is just disappearing after a while
[11:08] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me?
[11:08] <bumblefuzz> this just started happening
[11:08] <TJ-> giaco: this may not be entirely correct, but I think all you need is this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4k4K5qVf7K/
[11:09] <TJ-> giaco: obviously correct the name of the docker.service to what your system uses
[11:09] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me fix my bluetooth
[11:10] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: the issues you describe sound like a possibly hardware issue. I would guess the common factor is the devices are connected via USB
[11:11] <giaco> TJ-: thanks! Do you think is better to chain the event after docker start instead of docker virtual interface creation?
[11:12] <TJ-> giaco: my example does the former. I'm not sure there is a way to do it on interface creation
[11:13] <conjo> wassup all im having an issue with when copying files using nautalis, the process never seems to end quickly (using usb 3.0) It begins and progresses very fast but the full circle hangs around for ever (many minutes) assuming that the full circle disappearing indicates completion of the process-any ideas or is this normal
[11:13] <giaco> TJ-: I am pretty sure the is. What udevadm monitor sees can be used as a trigger. I did that once, but I don't that such strong memory
[11:13] <giaco> *don't have
[11:14] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4njqpqscz7/
[11:15] <bumblefuzz> this is a pastebin of 'journalctl -xb | grep blue
[11:15] <bumblefuzz> '
[11:15] <bumblefuzz> can anyone tell me what's going on?
[11:17] <conjo> bumblefuzz i think your os had a brainfart
[11:17] <bumblefuzz> the problem is this is affecting not just my bluetooth mouse but my trackpad mouse as well
[11:17] <bumblefuzz> I'm using my keyboard to get around
[11:17] <bumblefuzz> I have no mouse
[11:17] <bumblefuzz> this is on a fresh install of 16.04, fully updated
[11:17] <bumblefuzz> I reinstalled just an hour ago
[11:17] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: can you show the entire log, not just the bluetooth related messages
[11:18] <bumblefuzz> 1 sec
[11:18] <bumblefuzz> so, journalctl -xb
[11:18] <bumblefuzz> ?
[11:18] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: forget the -x , just -b
[11:19] <Gargoyle> Have I never noticed it before, or has something recently changed that causes <IP_ADDRESS> to act like <IP_ADDRESS>? I'm currently seeing "dig fullstory.com" = "<IP_ADDRESS>" (which is correct, it's been pi-holed) but "ping fullstory.com" then proceeds to ping <IP_ADDRESS> and web browsers are trying to load <IP_ADDRESS> too.
[11:19] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JzPVjCvcmh/
[11:21] <bumblefuzz> it's a lot longer
[11:21] <bumblefuzz> but, anyway, I don't think it's just bluetooth
[11:21] <bumblefuzz> since my trackpad won't work either
[11:21] <bumblefuzz> and on a fresh install, it's really weird
[11:22] <bumblefuzz> it totally works on reinstall
[11:22] <giaco> TJ-: with this http://ix.io/1rCG in /etc/systemd/system and a "systemctl restart docker" the file is not created :(
[11:22] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: fullstory.com resolves to different ipv4 and ipv6 addresses for me than the one you pointed out.
[11:23] <bumblefuzz> the weird thing is, now, I've restarted bluetooth and it's telling me there's no adaptors
[11:23] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: first thing I see about touchpad is this, which may be a hint: "psmouse serio1: synaptics: Your touchpad (PNP: LEN2046 PNP0f13) says it can support a different bus. If i2c-hid and hid-rmi are not used, you ..."
[11:23] <bumblefuzz> ok...
[11:23] <Gargoyle> tomreyn: Thanks for your answer, that is expected. I have a pi-hole - everything it blocks resolves to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[11:23] <bumblefuzz> I noticed that too but don't know what it mean
[11:23] <giaco> TJ-: but "sudo systemctl start route-via-vpn" creates the file
[11:24] <Gargoyle> I've just never noticed traffic for <IP_ADDRESS> being sent to the loopback interface before.
[11:24] <TJ-> giaco: if you add a systemd unit you have to "systemctl daemon-reload"
[11:24] <giaco> TJ-: do I have to "systemcrl enable route-via-vpn" too?
[11:24] <TJ-> giaco: creates a file? surely it should just create a route?
[11:25] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: ok, i wasn't familiar with this "pi-hole" software, just read up on it.
[11:25] <TJ-> giaco: "systemctl status route-via-vpn" - it ought to be enabled
[11:25] <giaco> TJ-: yes, just for testing the service I'm creating a file instead
[11:26] <bumblefuzz> any more blues?
[11:26] <bumblefuzz> clues?
[11:27] <bumblefuzz> is there a way to watch the journal live?
[11:27] <bumblefuzz> I can restart and wait for it to happen
[11:27] <bumblefuzz> that way I have some idea of the time
[11:27] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: IMO the proper way to block via DNS is to return that there is no matching record (NXDOMAIN), resolving to 127.x.x.x can work, too.
[11:28] <giaco> TJ-: sadly even after "sudo systemctl daemon-reload" route-via-vpn.service is not triggered, but "sudo systemctl start route-via-vpn" keeps working
[11:28] <bumblefuzz> ?
[11:28] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: but, yes, <IP_ADDRESS> should work, too.
[11:31] <tomreyn> but <IP_ADDRESS> is ambiguous, since it can mean 'everything'.
[11:31] <Gargoyle> Only in the context of "listening".
[11:32] <TJ-> giaco: have you tried stopping and starting the docker service ?
[11:33] <Gargoyle> It's officially designated as non-routable IIRC. I had just never noticed client apps (like ping, web browsers, etc) reverting to use <IP_ADDRESS> when they encounter <IP_ADDRESS> as a response.
[11:33] <giaco> TJ-: yes, "sudo systemctl stop docker && sudo systemctl start docker", I've also tried restart
[11:33] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: which is the bluetooth device, I'm having trouble identifying it. I thought it might be "idVendor=138a, idProduct=0097" but can't find 138a:0097 in the v4.18 kernel modaliases
[11:33] <TJ-> giaco: OK, maybe I have it wrong then. I was pretty sure that is the correct way to do it
[11:34] <bumblefuzz> ok, I restarted (almost) everything is currently working
[11:34] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: which is the bluetooth device, I'm having trouble identifying it. I thought it might be "idVendor=138a, idProduct=0097" but can't find 138a:0097 in the v4.18 kernel modaliases
[11:35] <bumblefuzz> I have no idea, what command should I enter to find out?
[11:35] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: " ls -l /sys/class/bluetooth/ "
[11:36] <giaco> TJ-: maybe an [Install] section?
[11:36] <TJ-> giaco: hmmm, yes, possibly!
[11:36] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WHvrKKPVFB/
[11:37] <bumblefuzz> currently, my bluetooth mouse works, my touchpad works. however, I can only click by tapping my touchpad, not with the buttons on the touchpad
[11:37] <bumblefuzz> I don't think this is as simple as bluetooth
[11:37] <bumblefuzz> it's more general, to do with pointing devices
[11:38] <bumblefuzz> also, it's the same thing for 18.04 and 16.04 after fresh installs
[11:38] <TJ-> giaco: I'm not sure an [Install] section would help, from reading the man-page in detail
[11:39] <bumblefuzz> in a few minutes, I'll only be able to move my mouse, not click
[11:39] <bumblefuzz> and my bluetooth will disappear
[11:39] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: device 1-7 would appear to be "idVendor=8087, idProduct=0a2b"
[11:39] <bumblefuzz> ok
[11:40] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: show us the output of "lsusb -v"
[11:41] <bumblefuzz> so it flashed "Couldn't open device, some information will be missing 4 times, then gave me this address: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h4r8hD8tfV/
[11:42] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: OK, that confirms it, "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 8087:0a2b Intel Corp." starting at line 138 is the BT device
[11:42] <bumblefuzz> ok, good
[11:42] <bumblefuzz> again, I think this is broader than just bluetooth
[11:42] <bumblefuzz> but what are you thinking?
[11:42] <giaco> TJ-: it is not working even after adding [Install] for multi-user and "sudo systemctl enable route-via-vpn". The link is created "Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/route-via-vpn.service → /etc/systemd/system/route-via-vpn.service" but "sudo systemctl restart docker" is not triggering the ExecStart
[11:42] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: it uses the USB bluetooth class driver too, which was why I couldn't find it in modalias
[11:44] <TJ-> giaco: apparently I have the Wants= inverted. That should be in the 'docker.service' unit file!
[11:44] <giaco> TJ-: probably yes, the dependency should be on docker, but not really sure about this
[11:45] <giaco> "I want my custon *enabled* service to fire after docker". Why should I express that in docker.service
[11:45] <TJ-> giaco: I'm getting advice from #systemd :)
[11:45] <giaco> TJ-: oh!
[11:46] <TJ-> giaco: precisely, but apparently the Wants= is illogical and doesn't imply ordering!
[11:47] <giaco> This is really confusing
[11:48] <TJ-> giaco: right. remove that "Wants=" line, do "sudo mkdir /etc/systemd/system/docker.service.wants" then move the route-via-vpn.service into that directory :)
[11:50] <bumblefuzz> ok, so I can no longer click on anything
[11:50] <bumblefuzz> I can move my mouse around
[11:50] <bumblefuzz> bluetooth is still working
[11:50] <giaco> Cool! Thank you. I think I will stop there to ask if they would go for better route or not. Btw very thanks
[11:51] <bumblefuzz> but no clicking via touchpad, buttons, or bluetooth mouse
[11:52] <bumblefuzz> any other ideas on why just clicking would stop like this?
[11:53] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: what desktop environment are you using? is it Ubuntu/Gnome ?
[11:53] <bumblefuzz> mate
[11:53] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so using Xorg too?
[11:53] <bumblefuzz> I think so
[11:53] <bumblefuzz> it's 16.04
[11:54] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: because it is affecting both input devices it could be sometihng to do with the input layer
[11:54] <bumblefuzz> I think the only reason hte bluetooth was crashing was because of the clicking issue
[11:55] <bumblefuzz> how do we check the input layer?
[11:56] <bumblefuzz> also, the reason I think it's software is that I can click on some things but not others
[11:59] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: many years ago now I experienced something similar; in that case it turned out there was some applet/application grabbing input focus
[11:59] <bumblefuzz> interesting...
[11:59] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: so, is this happening on a virgin installation or have you added any other packages ?
[12:00] <bumblefuzz> I have added my normal packages
[12:00] <bumblefuzz> all the same ones though
[12:00] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: also, have you tried creatitng a new user account and seeing if that is affected? sometimes the regular user config can be responsible
[12:00] <bumblefuzz> I guess they could've had an update
[12:00] <bumblefuzz> but this started between updates
[12:00] <bumblefuzz> which is why I didn't think it was an applicatin
[12:01] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: right now it's more a case of trying to narrow the issue down by testing and eliminating possibilities
[12:01] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: seeing as there is no obvious clues in the kernel log.
[12:02] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: you could check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and possibly $HOME/.xsession-errors
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:08] <bumblefuzz> how would I actually request that in terminal?
[12:08] <bumblefuzz> my commands aren't working
[12:11] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: I usually use 'less' as in "less path/to/file" - tap 'h' to get help on how to navigate/search
[12:12] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: good shortcuts are 'gg' to goto start, and 'G' to goto end, '/some-search-term' to search forwards, 'n' for next match, '?' to do a reverse-direction search
[12:12] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nwrKfxwtJn/
[12:15] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: no clues there; all looks correct
[12:15] <bumblefuzz> thought so
[12:15] <bumblefuzz> anywhere else to look?
[12:16] <bumblefuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/whH6DqGy5g/
[12:16] <bumblefuzz> that's xsession erros
[12:17] <bumblefuzz> that looks ugly
[12:17] <bumblefuzz> not sure what to make of it though
[12:21] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: never a nice file; it doesn't do consistent time-stamps no process name/ids much of the time. I don't see anything there that would relate to the lost button presses.
[12:21] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: time to test with a brand new user account I think
[12:21] <bumblefuzz> hmm
[12:21] <bumblefuzz> ohh
[12:21] <bumblefuzz> I've never done that
[12:22] <bumblefuzz> brb on testuser
[12:24] <bumblefuzz> ok, on brand fresh testuser account
[12:25] <lonix> gz ?
[12:25] <bumblefuzz> what's the plan?
[12:29] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: run it for a while, see if you can trigger the problem. maybe use application you would use in your main account
[12:30] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: you have a feeling for when it usually breaks so if you can't break it then the longer time goes on like that it points to something in the main account config
[12:45] <NTQ> Is there any point where I can see why my gnome-shell process sporadically uses between 50% and 100% cpu time? And why the usage is constantly over 20%?
[13:11] <za1b1tsu> anyone replaced system-resolved with dnsmasq?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> heh i just added my dns nameser IPs to  /etc/systemd/resolved.conf, but I don't use NM
[13:21] <BluesKaj> I prefer ifupdown and the interfaces file
[13:27] <bencc> how can I reload bashrc in a makefile?
[13:29] <TvL2386> bencc: it would only make sense to reload bashrc in bash right? From bash you can call "source ~/.bashrc"
[13:30] <RNM> or ". ~/bashrc" ?
[13:30] <TvL2386> true
[13:31] <bencc> TvL2386:  https://github.com/asdf-vm/asdf/blob/master/asdf.sh
[13:31] <bencc> this is added to bashrc so 'asdf' will be a command
[13:31] <bencc> I'm installing asdf in a makefile and adding it to bashrc but I can't use it in the makefile without starting a new shell
[13:32] <zofrex> have you loaded it in your current shell?
[13:33] <TvL2386> I see... you change $PATH so your `asdf` executable is on the path
[13:33] <bencc> TvL2386: I'll try it. thanks
[13:34] <TvL2386> bencc: huh? nope... I didn't tell you to do anything
[13:34] <TvL2386> bencc: lines 25-27 change your PATH variable
[13:34] <TvL2386> which is fine
[13:35] <TvL2386> bencc: better post your Makefile and tell us what the problem is
[13:35] <TvL2386> bencc: To answer your question: Yes you need to start a new shell or source your .bashrc again
[13:36] <bencc> TvL2386: can I do it inside the makefile or do I need to make something, start a new shell, make other things?
[13:39] <JackWinter> hello, i'm trying to install kubuntu 18.04 on the laptop of a friend.  the laptop is partitioned with gpt and boots with uefi, it already has win10 installed
[13:40] <herbst> Hello there. I have a issue, somehow Ubuntu 18.10 does not pick up my external Wifi device as actual internet device. I can connect, which it does, but it still wont use the internet and appears offline
[13:40] <herbst> I assume its because of the internal wifi (which i dont use at all) which made problems before with 16.10
[13:40] <JackWinter> the ubiquity script never finishes, but it made an ubuntu uefi entry which just boots to a grub prompt with no kernels to chose from
[13:40] <ottoshmidt> Hi all, when trying to install mysql-server doesn't prompt me a root password setup, which brings me problems for logging in
[13:41] <TvL2386> bencc: I'm inclined to say "yeah you can", but without knowing where/how you do it in your Makefile, I'd just be guessing
[13:41] <tomreyn> JackWinter: is this 18.04.1?
[13:41] <herbst> I tried to disable it by adding the device to /etc/network/interfaces but it still shows up in the network manager, and it still does not work
[13:41] <JackWinter> so i ran "ubiquity -b" (don't install boot loader) which allows the ubiquity script to finish successfully.  so i guess there is some problem installing/configuring grub?
[13:41] <Mathisen> ottoshmidt, run " mysql_secure_installation "
[13:43] <ottoshmidt> Mathisen, "Error: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"
[13:43] <JackWinter> tomreyn: yes it's the kubuntu 18.04.1 install image copied to a usb stick
[13:43] <TvL2386> herbst: I'm unfamiliar with ubuntu-18.10, but what do you mean with "but it still wont use the internet and appears offline"
[13:44] <TvL2386> herbst: do you mean: I connected to the wifi accesspoint successfully but internet doesn't work?
[13:44] <bencc> TvL2386: https://pastebin.com/raw/qCMgD9bp
[13:44] <bencc> thisis the makefile I'm trying to use
[13:45] <bencc> the erlang task can't find asdf before starting a new shell
[13:46] <TvL2386> bencc: lemme see
[13:46] <tomreyn> ottoshmidt: if you previously hasd the (central) 'mysql' database in place then installing  te mysql server would not change / replace the configured password.
[13:46] <JackWinter> i guess now i have 18.04.1 installed on the disk, but now i presumably will have to manually install and configure grub?
[13:46] <Checkmate> hello guys whats the command the send test mail through shell
[13:48] <TvL2386> bencc: I see what your Makefile does, but what is the problem?
[13:48] <ottoshmidt> tomreyn, yea, I found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/766900/mysql-doesnt-ask-for-root-password-when-installing#766908 On how to hard reset the password
[13:48] <herbst> thats what i mean yeah TvL2386
[13:48] <TvL2386> herbst: ok
[13:48] <TvL2386> herbst: is that wifi the only means to reach the internet currently?
[13:48] <tomreyn> Checkmate: this utility can help you test SMTP: swaks
[13:49] <herbst> But i had a similiar issue back in 16.10, moved to Arch for a while and everything worked fine (same external, same wifi)
[13:49] <herbst> Sorrily yes it is TvL2386
[13:49] <bencc> TvL2386: the eralng task will fail to use asdf
[13:49] <herbst> Drivers should be ok if everything shows up rightly and even connects or?
[13:49] <bencc> TvL2386: I need to create a new shell after installing asdf
[13:50] <TvL2386> herbst: ok. So you are now connected to your wifi and internet does not work. Cool. Can you paste `ip addr show ; ip route show` in a gist somewhere?
[13:50] <tomreyn> ottoshmidt: that's what you need to do if you actually forgot the password, yes.
[13:51] <tomreyn> ottoshmidt: you're aware that you need to run "mysql -p" to make mysql ask you for the password, right?
[13:51] <TvL2386> bencc: about your erlang make target
[13:51] <JackWinter> does ubuntu also have the rEFInd boot loader?  i'm somewhat familiar with that one, haven't used grub since back in the v1 days
[13:51] <TvL2386> bencc: why should make start bash before executing your `asdf` command?
[13:51] <TvL2386> bencc: I mean, the Makefile instructs to execute `asdf`, not `bash`
[13:51] <bencc> TvL2386: sorry, I don't understand
[13:51] <bencc> TvL2386: but makefile don't know where asdf is
[13:51] <ottoshmidt> tomreyn, yes, I know but I guess previous installation was done as some sort of dependency, and I didn't know the password
[13:51] <TvL2386> bencc: on line `asdf plugin-add erlang ....`
[13:52] <TvL2386> bencc: yes that's correct
[13:52] <JackWinter> or is there an up to date tutorial on how to manually install grub from 18.04.1 live media somewhere?
[13:52] <TvL2386> bencc: if you want to make use of your bashrc thing you added, you'll have to change `asdf plugin-add erlang .....` with `bash -c 'asdf plugin-add erlang ......`
[13:52] <bencc> thanks
[13:53] <za1b1tsu> Hello, I'm trying to use dnsmasq with NetworkManager, but now I am left without an internet connection: https://paste.ofcode.org/ScZd7SsV7KzZwxbvgwUdgf
[13:53] <TvL2386> bencc: lemme know if it works :)
[13:53] <bencc> TvL2386: I've added ./asdf/bin to the PATH and it works. I'll try your fix later. thanks
[13:53] <JackWinter> hmm, actually maybe it won't work with refind.  i think the laptop will need secure boot and am not sure if that will be compatible
[13:53] <tomreyn> JackWinter: is your friends' laptop a mac by chance? any other special hardware / firmware?
[13:54] <TvL2386> bencc: of course that works too :) and of course instead of relying on $PATH, you can also just have an absolute path
[13:54] <JackWinter> tomreyn: nothing special i think, a relatively recent hp laptop with i5 processor (pre installed win10)
[13:55] <tomreyn> JackWinter: did you check for a firmware (bios / uefi) upgrade?
[13:55] <JackWinter> the installs that hung managed to put an ubuntu grub loader on the efi, but it's not properly configured so only gives me the grub prompt
[13:56] <TvL2386> herbst: sorry missed your remark about drivers... yeah since you said it connects, it kinda seems drivers are ok..... But first I want to know how the ip addressing/routing is configured currently and then we can continue to troubleshoot
[13:56] <tomreyn> JackWinter: did you do manual partitioning?
[13:56] <JackWinter> tomreyn: not sure how the bios would be relevant in as much as stopping ubiquity to finish the install?
[13:56] <JackWinter> tomreyn: yes manual partitioning
[13:57] <tomreyn> JackWinter: do you want to describe how you partitioned?
[13:57] <lemko> Hello, is it possible to use libvirt 4.0 with ubuntu xenial?
[13:58] <compdoc> maybe if you compiled/installed libvirt by hand
[14:00] <pikapika> asking again
[14:00] <pikapika> Is there a way to servicify the whisker menu
[14:00] <pikapika> Or just somehow make it that its always loaded
[14:00] <pikapika> Instead of creating/killing a process every time you open the menu
[14:01] <TvL2386> pikapika: servicify? whisker menu?
[14:01] <TvL2386> pikapika: xfce?
[14:01] <pikapika> Yes
[14:02] <TvL2386> pikapika: since it seems to be a plugin for xfce, they seem to have their own irc channel here on freenode: #xfce
[14:03] <TvL2386> pikapika: https://www.xfce.org/community
[14:03] <pikapika> They have?
[14:03] <TvL2386> according to that site :)
[14:03] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i made the windows partition smaller, and added sda5 (as ext4 formatted) for root and sda6 as 4gb swap.  at the first installs i told it to install the boot loader to sda3 which is the EFI partition.  that's when ubiquity didn't finish, just ended up doing nothing and never terminating.  it did finish when i ran ubiquity -b
[14:03] <pikapika> Thanks
[14:03] <TvL2386> yw gl!
[14:04] <JackWinter> so i'm relatively sure that i have a sda5 with ubuntu on it, just need to get grub properly configured, or won't it be able to read sda5?
[14:05] <tomreyn> JackWinter: hmm maybe the file system on the ESP is corrupt. but since you got grub installed + booting i guess it's indeed just about the configuration now.
[14:05] <JackWinter> fwiw, sda5 is a primary partition, so i imagine that it's a gpt partitioned disk
[14:06] <tomreyn> JackWinter: i dont see why grub would not be able to read sda5
[14:06] <tomreyn> JackWinter: if it's a primary partition then you have an msdos partition table, since gpt doesn't have the concept of primary and extended
[14:06] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i haven't partitioned disks for years now, so have forgotten most i once knew about secure boot, gpt, partitions, boot managers, uefi, etc :)
[14:07] <JackWinter> but you can't have 5 primary partitions?
[14:07] <JackWinter> let me check that for sure
[14:08] <tarzeau> not with msdos partitioning
[14:08] <tomreyn> JackWinter: indeed you can't have 5 primary partitions on msdos partition tables.
[14:09] <tomreyn> JackWinter: i guess it'S best to boot the system from a live / installer iso (written to usb stick / cdrom / external hdd) and boot off that, then post "lsblk" and "parted /dev/sd print" to a pastebin
[14:10] <tomreyn> thats "parted /dev/sda print"
[14:11] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i don't know where i got the primary from.  it's a gpt partitioned disk, just checked with gparted
[14:13] <tomreyn> JackWinter: so you probably just need to fix grub.cfg now.
[14:15] <tomreyn> JackWinter: i.e. mount the file system where ubuntu's /boot resides on, then look at the file system it tries to boot from and check whetehr this is correct, or which one it shouild actually be.
[14:19] <JackWinter> tomreyn: https://gist.github.com/jhernberg/04f1af80f86c4e31de49f3b4056f50ee
[14:19] <solsTiCe> 0 hi. I have removed both my SSD and HDD to do some cleanup. They now when I boot EFI goes to to the PXE network boot then windows boot. I changed the boot order with efibootmgr to use Ubuntu/grub but it is as if this has no effect. before I reboot efibootmgr shows me the correct order I have set but upon next boot it's the defualt boot order again ?
[14:20] <solsTiCe> I have reinstalled both my SSD and HDD
[14:24] <tomreyn> JackWinter: looks fine to me, so i guess you have /boot on sda5, can we see grub.cfg?
[14:27] <JackWinter> tomreyn: from the efi partition?
[14:28] <tomreyn> JackWinter: no. /boot/grub/grub.cfg resides either on a separate /boot file system / partition, which you dont seem to have, or on the same file system the main ubuntu installation is on, which seems to be sda5
[14:28] <JackWinter> there seems to be no grub.cfg in /boot/grub of the ubuntu partition
[14:29] <JackWinter> i only find one on the efi partition, but it looks different to the grub.cfg files i remember, and seems to point to the ubuntu / partition
[14:29] <tomreyn> JackWinter: hmm i guess then you'll need to either reinstall or recover using the live dvd and chroot. or create the grub.cfg manaully, but this could take a while.
[14:30] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i went to refind as i couldn't stand grub config file syntax.  is there an easy way to do this, or maybe an up to date tutorial somewhere?
[14:31] <tomreyn> JackWinter: i'm not familiar with refind. generic uefi documentation is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[14:31] <coconut> What would happen when i put an additional 802.11ax usb wifi adapter in a laptop which already has 802.11ac support on it's chip?
[14:31] <JackWinter> i can reinstall, but i've tried that 4-5 times, it always seems to never finish, and apparently it's just the boot manager step that never finishes
[14:32] <JackWinter> tomreyn: no i meant documentation for grub, or even better a spoon feeding tutorial :)
[14:33] <JackWinter> like mount, chroot, run grub-configure, reboot, or whatever it takes :)
[14:33] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[14:34] <tomreyn> JackWinter: for the recovery steps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[14:35] <JackWinter> tomreyn: thanks, that'll keep me busy until i have to go and work.  many thanks for the help so far!
[14:37] <JackWinter> maybe the problem is that i didn't create a separate /boot partition?
[14:37] <tomreyn> JackWinter: welcome,. you will also want to mount or mount --bind: (1) efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs (2) /dev/sda3 on /boot/efi type vfat
[14:38] <JackWinter> ok, that's after chrooting into what the live cd installed, right?
[14:38] <tomreyn> JackWinter: i have a hunch doing so would make it work, but i also dont see why it would not work without a separate /boot
[14:38] <JackWinter> i don't either, but as i found no way to make ubiquity verbose or tell me where it went wrong it's hard to say
[14:38] <tomreyn> JackWinter: if you'll mount --bind it has to be run before you chroot
[14:39] <JackWinter> i just know that if i tell it to install the boot manager it never finishes, and if i leave that out it finishes ok
[14:39] <tomreyn> JackWinter: ubiquitiy probably writes a logg on the installers systems' /var/log or to /target/var/log
[14:39] <JackWinter> ah, that's an idea to look at
[14:41] <JackWinter> tomreyn: i might ping you later today, or tomorrow.  i have about 50 minutes left now to see if i can fix this manually.  thanks a lot for the ideas, think all i need to do is to get a proper grub.cfg into the right place
[14:42] <tomreyn> JackWinter: probably. by the way: the grub.cfg on the ESP  is just a minimal one pointing the grub efi boot code to where to load the actual grub.cfg from.
[14:43] <tomreyn> the file system UUID there will need to be correct, but thats about it
[14:46] <dunpeal> Hi. What's a good trackpad that works with Ubuntu 18.04?
[14:47] <JackWinter> tomreyn: afaict there is no grub.cfg in /boot/grub/, just the one on the EFI.  pretty sure this will be the problem
[14:47] <tomreyn> right
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> dunpeal: we reccomend to test your hardware= try an uubntu liveusb ==> works well? ::>physical install
[14:49] <dunpeal> lotuspsychje: I'm looking to buy, so I need to know what to order before I order :)
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> dunpeal: take a look here: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> dunpeal: just keep in mind that list might be not up to date, other devices might also work like charm
[14:52] <dunpeal> lotuspsychje: thanks, but this seems to be entire systems (desktops and laptops)
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> dunpeal: another alternative, would be taking your laptop with ubuntu to the store, and try it out
[14:57] <dunpeal> It's for my desktop, not a laptop :)
[14:58] <dunpeal> and I'm ordering from Amazon, so ideally I'd just need the name of a model that works
[15:29] <sofia07> hey guys - I have three questions about annoying changes in ubuntu 18.04  - 1 - what is this cloud.init crap ? OK, I understand if that will be in AWS but why it needs to be a default ? Second - two cloned machine with different MAC gets the same address - that is creepy - netplan has no role in this - this new /etc/machine-id is another weird unneeded complication -
[15:30] <yosefk> hi. I just performed an apt-get upgrade on my system and rebooted. After which the entire contents of my home folder was gone except for dot files. All directories also
[15:31] <yosefk> has anyone experienced anything similar?
[15:32] <rpifan> did u do dist-upgrade
[15:32] <rpifan> that can screw things up sometiems
[15:32] <yosefk> just regular apt -u upgrade
[15:32] <sofia07> yosefk, never
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> yosefk: always make a backup before upgrading
[15:33] <sofia07> regardless, you did something else beside the apt update upgrade
[15:33] <yosefk> sofia07, where else besides for apt.log might something be logged?
[15:33] <sofia07> you maybe logged as root ?
[15:34] <sofia07> root has nothing at home
[15:34] <sofia07> you looked at /home/user (where your user was first?)
[15:34] <sofia07> First - what version you upgrade to what version ?
[15:35] <sofia07> I doubt very much that you lost the files
[15:35] <yosefk> it wasn't a release upgrade. Just a package upgrade
[15:35] <sofia07> of what version ?
[15:35] <yosefk> https://pastebin.com/dXqgAKtD
[15:36] <yosefk> kernel upgrade as well
[15:38] <k_sze> Right now apticron depends on bsd-mailx, which depends on postfix, but postfix is bound to port 25, which prevents me from running docker-mailserver.
[15:39] <yosefk> sofia07: I was also trying to install a tool called openvas
[15:39] <k_sze> If I look at `apt depends apticron`, there's a pipe character in front of some lines, e.g. "|Depends: bsd-mailx"
[15:39] <k_sze> What does that mean?
[15:44] <ioria> k_sze, alternatives
[15:45] <multifractal> Fresh install of 16.04 is freezing on shutdown. I enabled "acpi=force" and removed "quiet splash" so that i could see logs. It's saying `BUG soft lockup CPU#3 stuck for 22s`
[15:48] <k_sze> ioria: what alternative should I installed so that the e-mail related ports such as 25 and 587 are freed up, so I can use docker-mailserver?
[15:49] <ioria> k_sze, i mean the pipe '|' is a logic 'or'
[15:49] <k_sze> ioria: yes, I get that now.
[15:49] <ioria> ah,ok
[15:49] <k_sze> the '|Depends' marks the preferred candidate, apparently.
[15:49] <k_sze> and the next line would be an alternative
[15:50] <ioria> nope,the contrary
[15:50] <k_sze> or multiple alternatives (if it's a virtual package)
[15:50] <ioria> k_sze, the first (without the pipe) is the preferred
[15:52] <k_sze> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dfkjcBvQ6V/
[15:54] <ioria> k_sze, indeed, apticron does not install bsd-mailx (at least on my system)
[15:54] <k_sze> I think it installed postfix initially.
[15:54] <ioria> ah
[15:55] <k_sze> wait... no
[15:55] <k_sze> bsd-mailx depends on postfix
[15:55] <k_sze> So anyway, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do to free up the mail-related ports. :/
[15:56] <k_sze> (while keeping apticron)
[15:57] <ioria> k_sze, you can change the port in maste.cf on postfix (if yo don't use it)
[15:57] <ioria> *master.cf
[16:02] <gst568923> hi guys, I have a Music.m3u file and I would like sort with simple bash sort command. excluding first line that is the header #EXTM3U then each line is: #EXTINF:-1,Artist - Song and in the newline there is a http://www.youtube....
[16:03] <gst568923> It's possible?
[16:03] <multifractal> Shutdown works OK if I use terminal and `sudo poweroff`, but not if I do it through the shutdown menu item at the top right of the screen. Then it just freezes with the shutdown/restart dialogue box semi-transparent (as if it froze during the fadeaway animation for the dialogue box was half way through)
[16:04] <multifractal> It also just froze on the login screen. No response to any keyboard or mouse
[16:07] <compdoc> multifractal, is it a VM?
[16:08] <coconut> What would happen when i put an additional 802.11ax usb wifi adapter in a laptop which already has 802.11ac support on it's chip?
[16:10] <fooobarrr> are we talking salt and vinegar chips?
[16:10] <multifractal> no
[16:10] <fooobarrr> i love salt and vinegar chips... not sure what "802.11ac support on its chip" means
[16:12] <coconut> fooobarrr: with an it's chip i mean default support on motherboard.
[16:12] <fooobarrr> is the motherboard a giant chip?
[16:13] <fooobarrr> one  big salt and vinegar chip would be great
[16:13] <coconut> fooobarrr: to me? yes.
[16:14] <Greyztar> evening,how i may limit journalctl total size? i dont need archives and such ill make due with something like last weeks happenings or so
[16:16] <Greyztar> ohh also im on 18.04
[16:17] <coconut> fooobarrr: do you happen to know what happens with twice the wifi support? (in Linux but also desktop env)
[16:19] <lordcirth_work> coconut, I've had 2 wifi cards in a linux machine before.  Worked fine
[16:20] <limbo_> How do I redirect stdout to /dev/null, and stderr through a pipe?
[16:21] <coconut> ok, thnx lordcirth_work :)
[16:23] <k_sze> ioria: thanks for the tip!
[16:23] <fooobarrr> coconut the wireless module that is installed on a motherboard is most likely using PCIe for communication. It would show up as a pcie device to the host OS. If you installed an additional wireles pcie card it would also show up as a pcie device. PCI devices typically won't have conflicts with each other and will appear as independent devices
[16:24] <fooobarrr> ubuntu will detect both devices as wireless adapters that can be controlled independently
[16:28] <lordcirth_work> limbo_, thingy.sh  2>&1  > /dev/null | less
[16:29] <SimonNL> Urbanecm: any thing changed to your BT situation ?
[16:29] <Urbanecm> SimonNL, yes, my battery got discharged, so I was forced to reboot. It's working now
[16:29] <Urbanecm> No idea why it wasn't before rebooting :(
[16:30] <SimonNL> most important thing is it works now \o/
[16:30] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: I know you gave some suggestions on potential solutions for this bug but I've seemingly done everything, but none of the solutions work. You have any suggestions on how to actually debug it so I can fix it myself?
[16:30] <kur1j> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autofs/+bug/40189/
[16:31] <kur1j> this silly bug is destroying me haha
[16:31] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, did you try restarting autofs from a systemd timer like I mentioned earlier?
[16:32] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: I did, no dice
[16:32] <Urbanecm> SimonNL, that's true :)
[16:32] <lordcirth_work> What timer duration?
[16:32] <kur1j> 60 seconds after restart
[16:32] <limbo_> lordcirth_work: Ohh, thought that just combined fd 1+2 and redirected both to /dev/null
[16:32] <lordcirth_work> Hmm, yeah that ought to be plenty
[16:32] <coconut> fooobarrr: sounds great. :)  Do you also know how would i make Linux/desktop to use the added usb wifi adapter instead of the one coming with laptop?
[16:32] <lordcirth_work> I can't really help you debug autofs, I'm an IT guy, not a programmer.  This is at the point where *I* would start using something other than autofs to get the job done.  Like systemd automounts.
[16:33] <Netwolf> anyone else patch for the nginx bug?
[16:33] <Mathisen> Netwolf, what bug
[16:33] <Netwolf> I use brotli and http2
[16:33] <lordcirth_work> limbo_, it's confusing, I know.  What it actually does is "redirect stderr to where stdout is *currently* going.  Then redirect stdout to /dev/null.  Then pipe the rest (which is now stderr)"
[16:33] <Netwolf> Mathisen: there was a vuln in nginx affeting millions on sat
[16:34] <kur1j> I'm going to go back and retry that again as I don't remember if I stopped the original service from starting which might have been conflicting for some reason. Well I think you had that suggestion but i thinkt he result was that systemd automounts don't work with freeIPA
[16:34] <Netwolf> https://www.rapid7.com/db/vulnerabilities/nginx-cve-2017-7529
[16:34] <Mathisen> Netwolf, im sure there was/is but cant say more until you say wich one
[16:34] <Mathisen> oki
[16:34] <Netwolf> I use brotli and http2
[16:35] <Netwolf> which are awesome so I had to recompile from source
[16:35] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, so yeah, I would ditch autofs entirely and try using systemd's automount features.  I've never needed to use them, but I'm sure they work
[16:36] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: would it work with FreeIPA though?
[16:37] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, I'm not familiar with FreeIPA.  Does it just try to read the files it needs, like any other program, or does it try to create autofs configs itself?
[16:38] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: autofs pulls the autofs configs as a source from LDAP (FreeIPA) and then mounts whatever is in the freeIPA config
[16:38] <fooobarrr> coconut: ubuntu has no idea what wifi adapter "comes with the laptop". You'll just have to turn off the old one in the OS - probably just turn on the machine without the new device and figure out what the old Wifi is called so you can just turn that one off when you add the new card.
[16:38] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, sorry, can you clarify?
[16:39] <lordcirth_work> Also, how committed are you to FreeIPA?  Have you already set it up, or just starting now?  Because Samba4 also exists.
[16:40] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: so autofs creates the /etc/autofs.master; /etc/autofs.xxx configs on the machine and autofs reads the files and mounts what in those files by default. Autofs also has an option to read those same autofs.master configs from FreeIPA.
[16:40] <kur1j> at this point I'm pretty comitted toe FreeIPA
[16:40] <kur1j> it works really well and I've had very few problems with it (so far)
[16:40] <lordcirth_work> autofs creates it's own autofs.master?  You mean just creating the defaults, or?
[16:41] <coconut> fooobarrr: thnx!! :D. Would it be easy for me to do that you think?
[16:41] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: sorry it reads them from autofs.master
[16:42] <stormchaser3000> t
[16:42] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, so is autofs.master written by FreeIPA, or manually by you?
[16:43] <fooobarrr> very easy coconut as long as ubuntu can figure out what to do with the usb wifi adapter (it should be able to )
[16:43] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: I'm saying that autofs reads from autofs.master by default. Instead of reading autofs.master it now reads a "autofs.master" from FreeIPA
[16:44] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: basically I can make autofs read from locally, or from freeIPA, to know which drives to mount, its mounting and controlled from FreeIPA
[16:45] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, ok.  And this is something that FreeIPA documentation recommends?
[16:45] <epizefiri> Hi guys, do you know where i can find the logs file for the gnome default backup tool?
[16:45] <kur1j> yup, its built into FreeIPA
[16:45] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/linux_domain_identity_authentication_and_policy_guide/configuring-automount
[16:46] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, how many different mounts will there be?  How bad would it be to just make your own mounts?
[16:47] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: we have about 100 machines and about 3 different main mounts. The issue is that if we need to add another mount we would have to go add that new mount manually to each one.
[16:47] <kur1j> using FreeIPA, I just define a new mount and it does it automagically
[16:47] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, see, personally I think you should be using a configuration management tool.  FreeIPA is a user and SSO management tool, not config management
[16:48] <lordcirth_work> Personally I would be using Saltstack.  Adding a new mount to every machine would be trivial.
[16:50] <kur1j> well I want to eventually get some type of PXE boot setup and configuration management so I can just plug a computer up to the network and it gets configured automatically (never heard of SS but looks like its  a cloud based product which we can't use)
[16:51] <kur1j> got suggestion for that, that can be hosted on premise for PXE, and config management? brb have meeting
[16:53] <coconut> fooobarrr: i will just ask for Linux support when i will buy one in store, and come back later when i have bought laptop+ wifi adapter. And thanks again, it's great. :D
[16:55] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, Saltstack isn't cloud-based.  We run our own salt-master (actually 3, one for each department).  I have PXE configs that automatically install salt-minion and a config so on first boot they connect.  I have LXC container hosts that listen for Salt commands to create and bootstrap new minions as containers.
[16:55] <lordcirth_work> None of it is perfect but it's so far past what we had before, which sounds similar to what you currently have.
[17:51] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: well they also hate paying for stuff haha
[17:52] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, it's FOSS or I wouldn't be using it
[17:53] <kur1j> does it use Ansible in the background?
[17:53] <Greyztar> is often so that layers upon layers of automatation software is better to avoid and rather have it simple as less possibel things can go wrong?
[17:53] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, No, Salt and Ansible are competitors.  (And Salt is much better, in my opinion)
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> Greyztar, too many layers can be a problem, but with 100 machines, doing everything manually means that it will not get done right
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> 1 layer of automation is much better than 0.
[17:55] <Greyztar> lordcirth_work: so in general we try to find the thing in the middle right?Im just trying to figure out how to "attack" things
[17:55] <lordcirth_work> Greyztar, It depends on how many machines you have, and how different they are from each other.
[17:56] <Greyztar> reason is,many times im recommended by sysadmins using this and that software,when i can use bash scripts instead,however i see that thousands of clients might be better handle by some software
[17:57] <lordcirth_work> It's a question of the constant-factor overhead of learning a new system, vs the linear or worse overhead of building and maintaining things yourself
[17:58] <lordcirth_work> With one machine, script it and write documentation.  With a dozen, Salt.
[17:58] <lordcirth_work> It'
[17:59] <lordcirth_work> *It's also more portable across distros than scripts are
[17:59] <Greyztar> lordcirth_work: thanks,that makes sense! Ive tried ansible and found it nice,for now im just doing home lab automation,but eventually i recon i will be dealing with larger infrastructure
[17:59] <lordcirth_work> Greyztar, IMHO Ansible is a glorified pdsh.  I like salt much better.
[18:00] <lordcirth_work> Also, LXC containers are your friend
[18:01] <Greyztar> lordcirth_work: yeah ive heard good things about salt aswell maybe will try it out,yeah ive been using lxc for a long time its quiet the stuff (,")
[18:08] <ubertaco> Apologies for asking what's probably been asked a million times, but is there a timetable for when the openjdk-11-jdk package will actually *be* JDK 11 instead of JDK 10?
[18:09] <ubertaco> I'm running 18.04, if that makes a difference
[18:17] <icholy> I ran a script that modified /usr/lib/libreadline.so.6
[18:17] <icholy> I ran sudo apt-get install libreadline6-dev --reinstall
[18:17] <icholy> This didn't update the shared libs.
[18:18] <icholy> How do I force apt to do this? Or do I just recomplie from source?
[18:19] <leftyfb> icholy: I don't seem to find /usr/lib/libreadline.so.6 in ubuntu
[18:22] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: does saltstack provision machines? or is it just configuration management?
[18:22] <sofia07> hello guys - is the cloud.init of anyuse if you are not using amazon ?
[18:22] <icholy> leftyfb: well then you don't have it installed
[18:22] <icholy> dug
[18:22] <sofia07> I want to get rid of it - it seem I cannot even rename the /etc/host
[18:22] <leftyfb> icholy: I'm searching the repos. Not just my local install.
[18:22] <sofia07> it is wierd
[18:23] <leftyfb> aaaaaand, they're gone
[18:24] <leftyfb> sofia07: https://nucco.org/2018/05/ubuntu-18-04-chronicles-removing-cloud-init.html   # 2nd result on google for "ubuntu remove cloud init"
[18:24] <c06> hi all i need some help in packet forwarding iptables
[18:24] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, it's config management.  It goes from an installed Linux distro to whatever you want.  However, you can pretty easily use Salt to create a PXE boot server, etc
[18:25] <sofia07> leftyb: thanks, is there an explanation of why is this useful or necessary at all ?
[18:26] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: well I figured it was "PXE Boot Server" that images machines with a base image and then SS would do the configuration management of it
[18:26] <kur1j> not SS creating a PXE boot server
[18:27] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, right, you can certainly configure the pxe boot server manually.  But my style is to go self-hosting.
[18:28] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: self-hosting?
[18:28] <lordcirth_work> All servers are installed from PXE.  All servers are configured from Salt, including the salt master itself
[18:28] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: ah
[18:28] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: what do you use for your PXE boot?
[18:29] <lordcirth_work> All configuration is therefore in a single git repo, and I could recover from the campus being flattened by pulling that repo
[18:29] <lordcirth_work> I am currently using dnsmasq + pxelinux, but I've been meaning to switch to dnsmasq + iPXE when I have free time (lol)
[18:30] <c06> https://paste.linux.community/view/666ab71d -> any suggestions on iptables, unable to find the mistake
[18:31] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: reason you don't want to use MAAS? or cobbler?
[18:31] <kur1j> or the like?
[18:32] <tamj0rd2> Hey. I've had trouble with linux since upgrading to 18
[18:32] <lordcirth_work> MaaS is cool, I tried it out a few years back, but at the time it seemed a bit too opinionated to handle our ... diverse environment
[18:33] <lordcirth_work> I should probably give it another try
[18:33] <tamj0rd2> During the installation I had a problem and had to continue with the upgrade from the recovery terminal. I'm not really sure where to start with fixing this
[18:33] <lordcirth_work> tamj0rd2, could you be more specific?
[18:33] <tamj0rd2> Yep, maybe a picture will help. 1 sec
[18:33] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: well that would be a problem for us because we have CentOS systems and I don't think you can deploy them without paying for it
[18:34] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, RHEL is the one you pay for, CentOS is free
[18:36] <kur1j> really? I could have sworn I read somewhere that you had to pay to have MaaS deploy CentOS boxes
[18:36] <lordcirth_work> Oh, MaaS maybe.  Not the normal distro
[18:36] <tamj0rd2> lordcirth Here are some screenshots https://imgur.com/a/EFtqp9K
[18:37] <lordcirth_work> "Besides Ubuntu, MAAS allows users to deploy different operating systems, such as CentOS. Ubuntu Advantage customers can additionally deploy Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), OpenSUSE, SLES, Window Server and Windows HyperV."
[18:37] <tamj0rd2> The first one is a pic of my terminal. It used to be a dark colour but now it's light. And all the menu items are squashed together
[18:37] <lordcirth_work> So yeah, you need Advantage to deploy anything that you need to pay for.
[18:37] <tamj0rd2> The text in my browser is also pretty messed up. Shown in the last 2 screenshots
[18:37] <lordcirth_work> That's odd
[18:38] <kur1j> lordcirth_work: yeah, I saw that. I looked at it like 1.5 years ago and i ruled it out because I read somewhere it wouldn't allow CentOS images to be deployed but I guess they changed that
[18:38] <tamj0rd2> I don't really know what might have gone wrong
[18:38] <tamj0rd2> I accidentally dismissed a dialogue during the upgrade and it wouldn't come back, so I restarted my computer and carried on the upgrade through the recovery mode. This is the only problem I've noticed since then though
[18:39] <tamj0rd2> any idea what it might be related to?
[18:39] <lordcirth_work> kur1j, anyway, at the time the requirements to get everythin working just the way MaaS likes it seemed too annoying for the benefits.  I have put a re-evaluation on my TODO list.
[18:40] <lordcirth_work> tamj0rd2, restarting mid-upgrade?  Could have broken just about anything.  Did you try apt install -f?
[18:40] <tamj0rd2> ah I haven't tried that
[18:40] <lordcirth_work> I suspect you'll end up reinstalling
[18:40] <tamj0rd2> Just gave it a shot and it says 0 to upgrade/install
[18:40] <tamj0rd2> aw man :(
[18:41] <lordcirth_work> It might be fixable, but you don't know what you broke, it could be anything, and if you fix it there might be something else broken
[18:41] <lordcirth_work> But maybe someone else here can help better.
[18:45] <tamj0rd2> this is a really silly question, but is there any particular name for windows on ubuntu? I'm trying to do a google search but can only get results about windows dual boots ':)
[18:45] <Balsaq> what do you mean tamj0rd2
[18:46] <Balsaq> windows 10 is called windows 10
[18:46] <tamj0rd2> I don't mean windows as in microsoft windows
[18:46] <tamj0rd2> I mean windows in ubuntu. Like, desktop windows
[18:46] <Balsaq> panels
[18:46] <tamj0rd2> ahh, thanks
[18:46] <Balsaq> yw
[18:47] <Balsaq> there is also an adoo on pkg called plank
[18:47] <Balsaq> which i like much better than adding a panel
[18:47] <tamj0rd2> for context, I'm trying to fix a problem with the way some things are displaying. e.g https://imgur.com/a/pw73abg
[18:48] <tamj0rd2> so I'm trying to figure out what I might need to reinstall to fix it
[18:48] <Balsaq> if we saw some pics of the problems we might be able to make more suggestions
[18:49] <tamj0rd2> Did you see my imgur link?
[18:49] <tamj0rd2> I sent another link here too: https://imgur.com/a/EFtqp9K
[18:49] <Balsaq> no ill look  back
[18:49] <tamj0rd2> https://imgur.com/a/pw73abg
[18:50] <Balsaq> ok that looks like ur running maybe some type of xfce dekstop environmnet?
[18:50] <Balsaq> and u dont like it that way?
[18:50] <tamj0rd2> I'm not really sure how I'd tell. I think I left my desktop environment however it was when I installed ubuntu 16 a while ago
[18:50] <sofia07> helllo guys I need to install in Ubuntu 18.04 apt install mono-webserver-hyperfastcgi
[18:51] <tamj0rd2> But menu items, for example in the terminal, didn't used to look squashed together like that before
[18:51] <sofia07> but it eslls me it depends on libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable) but it is not instalable
[18:51] <Balsaq> the is pic at imgur looks like xubuntu
[18:51] <Balsaq> what OS are u running
[18:52] <sofia07> but I have already libevent-2.1-6/
[18:52] <Balsaq> sofia07 you may like gnome or kde better...the way they display things
[18:53] <Balsaq> the 1st imgur pic did not look like ubuntu 18 04 which uses unity desktop
[18:53] <sofia07> Balsaq: I am installing onlyoffice - it is halting the install because of that
[18:53] <tamj0rd2> I'm running ubuntu 18.04. I update from Ubuntu 16 something a few days ago but there was a problem during the upgrade and I had to restart my computer
[18:53] <tamj0rd2> Unity rings a bell. I think I was using that before on Ubuntu 16 too
[18:53] <Balsaq> did u choose to update or upgrade
[18:53] <tamj0rd2> I think I upgraded
[18:54] <tamj0rd2> Maybe I can try reinstalling unity?
[18:54] <Balsaq> i prefer the normal 18 04 unity envoronment so i just do regular updates
[18:54] <tamj0rd2> umm
[18:54] <OerHeks> sofia07, mono-webserver-hyperfastcgi or mono-fastcgi-server ?? and bionic gives 2.1.8 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libevent
[18:55] <tamj0rd2> I don't think I did an update or upgrade to unity specifically
[18:55] <tamj0rd2> It was just an upgrade for linux
[18:55] <Balsaq> sofia07 did u start originally in ubuntu 18 04
[18:57] <Balsaq> 16 04 looked a lot like 18 04  sofia07 so that 1st imgur pic makes me think u changed the desktop environment
[18:57] <tamj0rd2> Ah ok. I'm not really sure how I would have done that haha. I'll have a look online to see if I can change it back
[18:57] <qwebirc41476> Hi. I have a question about Landscape
[18:58] <Balsaq> you can always change to other desktops
[18:58] <gambl0re> does ubuntu support 150% fractional scaling?
[18:58] <qwebirc41476> I'm tryuing to use the quickstart on google cloud. Trouble is, the server defaults to usign the FAKE FQDN. How can I force the server to use a specific valid URL?
[18:59] <tamj0rd2> Is there a command to sqitch Balsaq?
[18:59] <tamj0rd2> switch*
[18:59] <tamj0rd2> that name lol.
[18:59] <OerHeks> gambl0re, gnome-tweak-tool gives that option by %
[19:00] <sofia07> Balsaq - this is a virtual machine server, it is just a requirement for onlyoffice - everything was installed on 18.04 and I am trying to install onlyoffice in an ubuntu 18.4 and followed https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin-ubuntu
[19:00] <Balsaq> sofia07 did you dektop originally look like this before u did that upgrade..or w/e  u did?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTwHSa1KVc
[19:00] <tamj0rd2> Yep it looked exactly like that Balsaq
[19:01] <tamj0rd2> I might have installed a theme or something, but I remember it looking a lot like that
[19:01] <sofia07> Balsaq: I do not have gnome in the virtual machine
[19:01] <Balsaq> ok then thats what happened
[19:01] <sofia07> what happened ?
[19:02] <tamj0rd2> I'm not sure if you actually mean me or sofia at this point
[19:02] <Balsaq> the upgrade you did or w/e happened changed it...that 1st imgur looks a lot like older buntu or xubuntu
[19:02] <tamj0rd2> ohhh
[19:02] <tamj0rd2> I've tried to update unity but it already says I have the latest version
[19:02] <Balsaq> which one of u did not like the looks of the desktop envoronment
[19:03] <tamj0rd2> me
[19:03] <tamj0rd2> I just want it to be the default ubuntu environment
[19:03] <bumblefuzz> so, I'm testing my dns spoofability over at grc.com and, no matter how I set my DNS in networking, the same DNS (my ISP's) keeps coming up
[19:03] <Balsaq> show me u r imgurs again then
[19:03] <bumblefuzz> I've tried googling and different methods and nothing works
[19:03] <tamj0rd2> https://imgur.com/a/pw73abg https://imgur.com/a/EFtqp9K Balsaq
[19:03] <bumblefuzz> how can I force ubuntu to use the DNS servers I specify?
[19:03] <Balsaq> default is unity tamj0rd2
[19:04] <Balsaq> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTwHSa1KVc    looks like this
[19:04] <tamj0rd2> How do I switch to it?
[19:04] <gambl0re> OerHeks, is that with ubuntu 18?
[19:04] <OerHeks> gambl0re, yes
[19:04] <Balsaq> it has been like that in 18 04 and 16 and i think before that too
[19:04] <tamj0rd2> But what you've shown in the video isn't how mine looks. I want it to look like in the video
[19:05] <gambl0re> is it only available with gnome or is fractional scaling available on other desktop environments?
[19:05] <Balsaq> ok then u want ubuntu 18 04
[19:05] <tamj0rd2> I have ubuntu 18.04, that's what I'm running
[19:05] <Balsaq> then let me see pic of desktop as it is now plz
[19:06] <OerHeks> gambl0re, not sure other DE's can do that
[19:06] <gambl0re> OerHeks, is it easy to install and configure gnome-tweak-tool?
[19:06] <tamj0rd2> I've added more screenshots to this imgur Balsaq https://imgur.com/a/pw73abg
[19:06] <bumblefuzz> any ideas?
[19:07] <OerHeks> gambl0re, sure, i thought you would have tried by now
[19:07] <tamj0rd2> I'm sure my menu items and the folder window aren't supposed to look like that
[19:07] <Balsaq> that looks like mine which is the normal gnome 4 i think
[19:07] <gambl0re> no im still researching which linux distro supports fractional scaling but now that you mentioned ubuntu 18 does then ill try that out first. thanks
[19:08] <OerHeks> gambl0re, have fun!
[19:08] <tamj0rd2> Maybe I can try switching the desktop from the login screen. I'll brb
[19:09] <Balsaq> do u like this one tam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCm_UOqOkRk  this is the regular one
[19:10] <tamj0rd2> ahh.. that was the problem. I completely forgot that you have to switch desktops from the login screen
[19:10] <tamj0rd2> Switching back to Unity fixed it
[19:10] <tamj0rd2> It was on a setting called Ubuntu
[19:10] <tamj0rd2> I still have a problem though. All my menu items are still squashed together @Balsaq
[19:10] <Balsaq> ok tamj0rd2
[19:10] <Balsaq> tamj0rd2do u mean squished on that left side clear panel the launcher?
[19:11] <bumblefuzz> how can I force ubuntu to use the DNS servers I specify?
[19:11] <tamj0rd2> https://imgur.com/sblAv9N
[19:11] <tamj0rd2> I mean like this. All the menu items for the window are squashed together and its hard to really tell which one is which
[19:11] <bumblefuzz> instead of the ones specified by my isp?
[19:12] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz, on desktop?  Go to your network settings, there's a DNS tab
[19:12] <bumblefuzz> I did that
[19:12] <bumblefuzz> it's still using same ones
[19:13] <bumblefuzz> I restarted too
[19:13] <tamj0rd2> @Balsaq The menu items look like that for all of my windows. In the screenshot I've sent there are supposed to be dropdowns, but you can only see that it's a dropdown once you click on it
[19:13] <Balsaq> tamj0rd2 that last pic was your updater
[19:13] <tamj0rd2> Yeah
[19:13] <Balsaq> i did not see anything squished
[19:14] <tamj0rd2> I mean the "Ubuntu software, Other software, Software updates" etc right at the top of the window
[19:14] <tamj0rd2> They're all squashed right next to eachother
[19:14] <bumblefuzz> lordcirth_work: I did that
[19:14] <bumblefuzz> lordcirth_work: it's still using the same ones
[19:14] <tamj0rd2> Where it says "Automatically check for updates", the Daily part is supposed to be a drop down list, but it doesn't show. It just looks like text. You can only tell that it's a dropdown list once you click on it
[19:15] <Balsaq> ok i see hmm i dont use that one so i dont know if it looks like that
[19:15] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz, how are you checking what it's actually doing?
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> grc.com
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> dns spoofing test
[19:15] <nekoseam> i've never written anything to USB sticks aside from ISOs in the terminal, now I want to store some ROM files on one. I doubt I'd use dd to write them onto it and the empty USB stick doesn't show up in gnome-files
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> I ran ti before
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> and it's still using the same ones
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> even after a restart
[19:15] <nekoseam> how would i go about putting them on one
[19:15] <tamj0rd2> I'm going to try to switch to Gnome to see if it's any different
[19:16] <Balsaq> i use the normal software updater in 1804 and terminal
[19:16] <Balsaq> i do sudo apt-get updates                         (not upgrades)
[19:16] <tamj0rd2> Balsaq it's exactly the same problem in Gnome
[19:17] <tamj0rd2> for me that says Invalid operation updates
[19:17] <Balsaq> sounds like u have a issue with the system in general
[19:18] <Balsaq> something is corrupt
[19:18] <tamj0rd2> :/ Do you know if there's a way to reinstall without losing data? I have a lot of stuff set up
[19:18] <Balsaq> is your stuff backed up to a different drive?
[19:19] <tamj0rd2> I have my documents on a different drive, but I'll lose all my software :/
[19:19] <bumblefuzz> how would I go about reconfiguring my dns from the command line
[19:19] <Balsaq> then dont do anything till we get a real pro in here helping you
[19:19] <tamj0rd2> alright, thanks
[19:20] <za1b1tsu> any rails dev using puma-dev?
[19:20] <Balsaq> im use ubuntu different..i keep everything backed up to my external because i have never had luck "fixing" ubuntu, so i just wipe it and reinstall
[19:20] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz, I would disable networkmanager, configure the network manually, and specify dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces.  But I'm a server admin, there might be a better way on desktop
[19:20] <tamj0rd2> Ah, ok :/
[19:20] <tamj0rd2> I didn't really know how to back up. I thought the upgrade to 18.04 would just be easy
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> I tried the desktop method
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> it didn't work
[19:21] <sofia07> I get this error mono-webserver-hyperfastcgi : Depends: libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable) but it is not installable
[19:21] <tamj0rd2> sudo apt-get update works for me. Not update Balsaq
[19:21] <lordcirth_work> tamj0rd2, replacing your OS in-place is rarely perfectly safe
[19:21] <tamj0rd2> not updates*
[19:21] <Balsaq> i know win 1thats how i update sudo apt-get update
[19:22] <nekoseam> tl;dr all i want to know is how i'm supposed to put any old file on a usb stick when it isnt showing up in gnome disks
[19:22] <Balsaq> but i dont upgrade
[19:22] <nekoseam> gnome-files*
[19:22] <nekoseam> it shows up in gnome disks just fine
[19:22] <lordcirth_work> nekoseam, perhaps it's not formatted?
[19:22] <tamj0rd2> what's the difference between update and upgrade? Is upgrade just for going to the latest OS?
[19:22] <nekoseam> i formatted it
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> lordcirth_work: I don't have anything in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:22] <nekoseam> it originally had a solus live iso on it
[19:22] <nekoseam> it was showing up then
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> auto lo
[19:22] <nekoseam> but now it doesnt :/
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> iface lo inet loopback
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> that's it
[19:23] <lordcirth_work> tamj0rd2, 'apt update' checks for updates.  'apt upgrade' installs updates, except for certain ones like kernels. 'apt full-upgrade' or dist-upgrade installs all updates.  do-release-upgrade goes to a new Ubuntu version.
[19:23] <tamj0rd2> ahh, ok. Thanks
[19:23] <Balsaq> yeah tamj0rd2 for example some folks accidentallly upgrade to the next version
[19:24] <tamj0rd2> Is upgrading the OS similar to installing it fresh then? Like, if I were to wait a while and install the next version of Ubuntu 18, do you think it might install whatever's missing?
[19:25] <Balsaq> tamj0rd2 i think the clean install of the latest LTS is the best way but thats my opinion...
[19:25] <Greyztar> how come this isnt working trying to make function for kill screen command https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fQNfx2zjn7/
[19:26] <Balsaq> i never upgrade to the nest new one once i have LTS i stay till the next LTS and then clean install that
[19:26] <Balsaq> but again i have everything i want totally backed up
[19:26] <tamj0rd2> Feeling a lot of regret right now :/
[19:27] <lordcirth_work> tamj0rd2, it's supposed to be the same but there's sometimes small differences.  However, I doubt it will fix itself, now
[19:27] <tamj0rd2> Hmm
[19:27] <tamj0rd2> So far I've only noticed this issue and it only seems to affect the built in ubuntu apps, so maybe i'll just leave it
[19:28] <tamj0rd2> Haven't had any other problems so far
[19:29] <tamj0rd2> well, my terminal also changed colour but that's it
[19:30] <sofia07> hey guys - where are the dependencies specifiein mono-webserver-hyperfastcgi
[19:32] <lordcirth_work> Is that a package name?  I don't see it
[19:32] <Bashing-om> !info mono-webserver-hyperfastcgi bionic | sofia07 : We will need more info;
[19:34] <mustmodify> Interesting issue. I do ` tail -n 40000000 log/production.log > tmp/recent.log` and then `wc -l tmp/recent.log` and get 200k.
[19:34] <mustmodify> when the original logfile has 83M lines
[19:34] <mustmodify> any ideas?
[19:34] <lordcirth_work> Perhaps tail has a line cap?
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> mustmodify: what is the file size of tmp/recent.log ...
[19:38] <Nebucatnetzer> hi everyone :), is someone here who has experience with nvidia and optimus?
[19:38] <Bashing-om> Nebucatnetzer: There are some, state your real question :)
[19:39] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me change my dns servers?
[19:40] <mustmodify> pragmaticenigma:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[19:40] <mustmodify> 2.5G
[19:45] <Nebucatnetzer> I've got the Dell Precision 5530 with the Nvidia Quadro P1000. I wiped the original Ubuntu 16.04 and replaced it with Ubuntu 18.04. Mainly because I wanted to have full disk encryption. The problem is now that with the propretiary drivers suspend doesn't work anymore (the machine hangs after waking up) and i3-wm looks strange with it. With the nouveau drivers i3-wm looks like it should and suspend works. But optirun gives me an
[19:45] <Nebucatnetzer> [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not enable discrete graphics card
[19:45] <fooobarrr> Nebucatnetzer: i had to install the NVidia proprietary drivers to get graphics working with an NVidia Pascal gpu
[19:46] <fooobarrr> idk if its arch specific
[19:46] <fooobarrr> just go to the nvidia site download the appropriate driver, init 3, install the driver, init 5 and you should be ok then.
[19:46] <ikonia> no
[19:46] <ikonia> that is bad info
[19:46] <fooobarrr> ok
[19:46] <ikonia> the init system is not longer the same
[19:47] <Nebucatnetzer> With the proprietary drivers suspend stops working. At least with the ones from the official repo and the ppa
[19:47] <ikonia> fooobarrr: please don't give out bad information
[19:47] <fooobarrr> idk how that worked then
[19:47] <fooobarrr> ikonia: that's what i did.
[19:47] <coconut> How great are ext4 file system supported outside Linux?
[19:47] <ikonia> on ubuntu you did init 3 and then init 5
[19:47] <ikonia> coconut: badly
[19:47] <fooobarrr> ubuntu 18.04
[19:47] <ikonia> fooobarrr: systemd has different un levels
[19:47] <fooobarrr> that is correct ikonia
[19:47] <lordcirth_work> coconut, not too well.  If you need portability, use another fs and have Linux read it
[19:48] <fooobarrr> i don't know what happened then.
[19:48] <fooobarrr> re: graphics driver though, the open sources drivers absolutely did not work.
[19:48] <fooobarrr> i had to install the nvidia drivers
[19:48] <ikonia> ubuntu packages the nidia drivers for you
[19:48] <ikonia> the package manager offers multiple versions
[19:49] <fooobarrr> i tried that too
[19:49] <fooobarrr> it did not work
[19:49] <lordcirth_work> didn't work how?
[19:49] <fooobarrr> there was no display. I didn't bother trying to figure out why.
[19:49] <ikonia> not really the best approach
[19:50] <ikonia> not to debug the problem and just keep trying different things
[19:50] <Nebucatnetzer> on my desktop I had the same problem adding nomodeset to grub fixed that
[19:50] <coconut> lordcirth_work: no i *do* want ext4 fs under ubuntu :) I think i wil just use 50 of the drive for another fs which works under mac and win.
[19:50] <fooobarrr> of course i should have to dig through logs and other stuff because i ran an update
[19:50] <bumblefuzz_> can anyone help me set my dns servers
[19:50] <bumblefuzz_> ?
[19:50] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: they are normally set for you in dhcp
[19:50] <lordcirth_work> coconut, yeah, I didn't mean for /
[19:50] <coconut> :)
[19:50] <lordcirth_work> He wants to change them because his ISP DNS sucks
[19:51] <ikonia> doesn't network manager allow you to set them ?
[19:51] <lordcirth_work> You might to change at your router though
[19:51] <bumblefuzz_> ikonia: I want to set my own
[19:51] <lordcirth_work> I changed mine at the router
[19:51] <bumblefuzz_> ikonia: I've tried the stuff that comes up in google but, even after setting, it still uses the same one set by dhcp
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: ext4 is not supported by other OS's natively, and support for read/write is limited. If a drive is going to be used for data by multiple OS's choosing one of the FAT types is generally the safest route.
[19:51] <bumblefuzz_> I'm on dorm internet
[19:52] <bumblefuzz_> no access to the router
[19:52] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: did you try setting them in network manager ?
[19:52] <bumblefuzz_> yep
[19:52] <bumblefuzz_> tried that first
[19:52] <ikonia> how did you set it ?
[19:53] <bumblefuzz_> network connections, edit connection, ipv4: dhcp, addresses only, dns addresses comma separated
[19:53] <Nebucatnetzer> I just had a look in nm. There's an option for DHCP address only. I reckon this will give you the IP and lets you customize the DNS
[19:53] <Nebucatnetzer> ah nevermind then :)
[19:54] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: how are you validating what DNS servers it's using
[19:54] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: i think i will indeed go to the fat road... seeing exfat is supported by default on win and mac and has ability for bigger files too.
[19:54] <bumblefuzz_> when I test with grc.com it still comes up with the ISP-specified DNS servers
[19:54] <bumblefuzz_> and only those
[19:55] <coconut> and thank you too pragmaticenigma. :)
[19:55] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: explain the test please
[19:55] <ikonia> as grc.com is a website and doesn't "list" dns servers
[19:55] <bumblefuzz_> https://www.grc.com/dns/dns.htm
[19:55] <bumblefuzz_> ...yes it does
[19:56] <bumblefuzz_> ?
[19:56] <bumblefuzz_> scroll to the bottom
[19:56] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz_, did you read the FAQ?
[19:56] <ikonia> that's a DNS spoof test
[19:57] <ikonia> not "what DNS server am I currently listing"
[19:57] <ikonia> using even
[19:57] <lordcirth_work> A simpler way might be to use tcpdump to listen to your outgoing DNS
[19:57] <coconut> thank you ikonia, lordcirth_work, pragmaticenigma
[19:57] <bumblefuzz_> ok, fair enough
[19:57] <bumblefuzz_> how do I validate what DNS servers I'm using?
[19:58] <bumblefuzz_> external to my PC
[19:58] <bumblefuzz_> ?
[19:58] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: external to your PC ?
[19:58] <ikonia> what do you mean, all DNS servers are external to your PC
[19:58] <ikonia> unless you self host one
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz_: You use programs designed to query DNS, and check the results against different dns providers
[19:58] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: what is the actual problem you're trying to solve
[19:59] <bumblefuzz_> I was just trying to verify that I set my DNS servers
[19:59] <bumblefuzz_> that's what I started with
[19:59] <ikonia> as so far you've shown you don't even know what dns server you're using, so what is the problem you're seeing
[19:59] <bumblefuzz_> and then I was getting diferent results
[19:59] <bumblefuzz_> I just want to check
[19:59] <ikonia> you've not getting different results
[19:59] <ikonia> as you don't know how to get the actual fact
[19:59] <ikonia> so what is the real problem you're trying to solve
[20:00] <bumblefuzz_> I'm trying to answer the question, "what DNS server(s) am I using?"
[20:00] <ikonia> but why - what is the problem
[20:01] <bumblefuzz_> it's not a problem
[20:01] <bumblefuzz_> why does it have to be a problem?
[20:01] <bumblefuzz_> I just want to set my DNs servers and I can't actually tell that I've done that
[20:01] <ikonia> well, if you want to do something - it's normally to fix a problem
[20:01] <ikonia> people don't change DNS servers for fun, it's normally to resolve an issue
[20:01] <ikonia> and as you've shown you don't really understand how DNS servers work, I'm curious to what the issue is as you may be looking at it totally wrong
[20:02] <bumblefuzz_> when I download a copy of ubuntu, I want to verify that it's intact, so I check its hash
[20:02] <bumblefuzz_> I set my DNS and I want to check
[20:02] <bumblefuzz_> that's it
[20:02] <ikonia> why are you changing the DNS servers ?
[20:02] <bumblefuzz_> privacy
[20:03] <bumblefuzz_> my dorm internet is unsecured
[20:03] <bumblefuzz_> open wifi
[20:03] <ikonia> ?
[20:03] <bumblefuzz_> not encrypted
[20:03] <ikonia> changing DNS won't change that then will it
[20:03] <bumblefuzz_> I can't even use a vpn
[20:03] <ikonia> as you'll just be talking to different DNS servers unencypted
[20:03] <bumblefuzz_> fine but it's a modicum of privacy
[20:03] <JimBuntu> "I can't even use a vpn" Please explain that part.
[20:03] <bumblefuzz_> this is my home
[20:04] <ikonia> it's no privacy at all
[20:04] <bumblefuzz_> I've tried to use private internet access and it's blocked
[20:04] <ikonia> it's not impacted your privacy in any way positive or negative
[20:04] <bumblefuzz_> all the way around
[20:04] <ikonia> so what is the REAL reason you're trying to change the dns servers
[20:04] <bumblefuzz_> why is this what we're talking about?
[20:04] <bumblefuzz_> I just want to check my dns
[20:04] <ikonia> yes, but you've shown you don't really understand DNS, so we are trying to get to the real issue
[20:04] <ikonia> you've stated privacy but your suggestion doesn't impact your privacy
[20:05] <bumblefuzz_> the real issue.......
[20:05] <ikonia> so what's the real issue ?
[20:05] <bumblefuzz_> why don't I just use windows and not think about any of it, you mean?
[20:05] <bumblefuzz_> cause I like to tinker
[20:05] <JimBuntu> bumblefuzz_, if you really want to dig deep, you can probably use wireshark to monitor your outgoing connection... confirm where DNS requests are going.
[20:05] <bumblefuzz_> I use ubuntu cause it lets me get under the hood
[20:05] <bumblefuzz_> I can learn stuff
[20:06] <bumblefuzz_> and it's all free
[20:06] <bumblefuzz_> I just want to set my dns
[20:06] <MikeRL> Hello. I'm running Ubuntu 18.10 and have a mouse with a Windows button on the side of it. Currently pressing it does nothing. Is there a way to map it to open the application spread?
[20:06] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: sorry - I don't believe you
[20:06] <bumblefuzz_> and I'm having trouble doing that
[20:06] <ikonia> you've changed you're story multiple times
[20:06] <ikonia> each time getting less plausible
[20:06] <bumblefuzz_> ????
[20:06] <ikonia> others can help they want
[20:06] <bumblefuzz_> this is the weirdest discussion I've ever had on here
[20:06] <ikonia> if they want sorry
[20:07] <bumblefuzz_> why do you want to change your desktop background?
[20:07] <ikonia> to change the visual appearance to something I like more
[20:07] <bumblefuzz_> why do you want to search on google instead of bing?
[20:08] <Ool> but perhaps DNS ports are blocked too as VPN ones
[20:08] <bumblefuzz_> why do you use the DNS servers your ISP specifies and not your own
[20:08] <ikonia> I find google a better search offering than bing
[20:08] <ikonia> see they are honest valid answers
[20:08] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: I use the dns servers my ISP gives me as there is no reason to change them
[20:08] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz_, this may seem strange, but we waste a lot of time on XY problems, let alone problems that aren't actually problems, and we don't have unlimited time
[20:08] <JimBuntu> bumblefuzz_, http://nil.uniza.sk/linux-howto/using-tcpdump-diagnostic-dns-debian
[20:08] <bumblefuzz_> honest valid: https://www.grc.com/dns/dns.htm
[20:08] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: you've gone from suggesting there is a problem, to some fantasy privacy problem to I just like to tinker
[20:09] <bumblefuzz_> https://www.maketecheasier.com/changing-dns-server-why-how/
[20:09] <ikonia> all the time proving you don't really understand DNS - so you're messing with something you know nothing about (it seems) for fantasy reasons
[20:09] <ikonia> hence why I don't believe you
[20:09] <bumblefuzz_> they even have articles about it
[20:09] <gambl0re> will this ssd have any issues with ubuntu? https://www.amazon.ca/Blue-NAND-500GB-SSD-WDS500G2B0B/dp/B073SBX6TY/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1542053255&sr=1-13&keywords=ssd+500gb
[20:09] <ikonia> people don't just wake up thinking "I like to tingker, I'll change my DNS servers for no reason"
[20:09] <bumblefuzz_> I just want to play with it
[20:10] <bumblefuzz_> why install one program over another?
[20:10] <bumblefuzz_> it's just to tinker
[20:10] <bumblefuzz_> it's just to learn
[20:10] <bumblefuzz_> how is that unbelievable?
[20:10] <ikonia> then why did you say it's for privacy
[20:10] <ikonia> why did you then pick a DNS spoof tool to test
[20:10] <bumblefuzz_> why learn anything new?
[20:10] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz_, tinker all you want, but if so you should probably figure things out yourself instead of asking support volunteers for help
[20:10] <bumblefuzz_> why tinker with anything?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz_: Your topic is now off-topic... please take the conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thank you
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> !ot
[20:11] <bumblefuzz_> why is my question invalid?
[20:11] <ikonia> "hi, I want to learn about DNS" is very different than "I want to change my dns for privacy reason, no wait, actually I just want to tinker"
[20:11] <ikonia> I'm taking it off topic though, so I'll leave it
[20:11] <bumblefuzz_> I want to change my DNS
[20:11] <bumblefuzz_> that's why I'm here
[20:11] <bumblefuzz_> how is that off topic?
[20:11] <lordcirth_work> gambl0re, is there a particular reason you think it might have issues?
[20:12] <lordcirth_work> I'm not aware of any reason that an SSD would have problems under Linux
[20:12] <bumblefuzz_> why does it have to have issues for me to want to change it?
[20:12] <gambl0re> lordcirth_work, something to do with TRIM and some ssds not working properly with linux
[20:12] <bumblefuzz_> your desktop background works perfectly well, why change it?
[20:12] <bumblefuzz_> I just want to change it
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | bumblefuzz_
[20:13] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: it's cool
[20:13] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: be patient then and see if someone will walk you through the process
[20:13] <bumblefuzz_> if you need reasons, this article explains and give reasons:https://www.maketecheasier.com/changing-dns-server-why-how/
[20:13] <bumblefuzz_> use those
[20:13] <ikonia> bumblefuzz_: that article is nonsense
[20:13] <bumblefuzz_> I don't really care
[20:13] <ikonia> cool, then just wait for someone to come along and help you
[20:14] <bumblefuzz_> this is the weirdest discussion I've ever had on this chat
[20:14] <bumblefuzz_> for like 4-5 years
[20:14] <ikonia> you've said that
[20:14] <bumblefuzz_> this is the weirdest
[20:14] <ikonia> so just wait for someone to come along and help you
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz_: You don't understand DNS... and what you have stated thus far isn't accomplished by what you are doing. DNS is not encrypted or protected. All DNS requests are sent in clear text, meaning that anyone on the network can see your DNS Requests despite being on a different server. Your university offers resources that will not be available to you if you change DNS providers. The univeristy is blocking VPN
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> providers as a term in the terms of use. By that information alone, you have basically told us that you are trying to circumvent policies of the computer network you are attached to which is offtopic on this channel.
[20:16] <bumblefuzz_> this is amazing
[20:16] <bumblefuzz_> circumvent
[20:16] <bumblefuzz_> jesus
[20:16] <Nebucatnetzer> tor is a great project for that btw :)
[20:16] <fassl> but you can encrypt it, with dnscrypt for instance
[20:17] <bumblefuzz_> I'm just learning how to use ubuntu
[20:17] <bumblefuzz_> had to learn how to download, verify and install it
[20:17] <bumblefuzz_> had to learn lots of other stuff
[20:17] <bumblefuzz_> did all that here
[20:17] <bumblefuzz_> but suddenly I want to change my DNS and it's offtopi
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz_: Then start to learn DNS... this isn't the right resource for learning that though
[20:17] <bumblefuzz_> it's the resource I used to learn EVERYTHING else about ubuntu
[20:18] <bumblefuzz_> I could've use my Mac
[20:18] <bumblefuzz_> or Windows
[20:18] <bumblefuzz_> but I wanted to learn
[20:18] <bumblefuzz_> this is amazing
[20:18] <bumblefuzz_> definitely a first
[20:18] <bumblefuzz_> in several years
[20:18] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz_, this is a support channel for people with specific questions. If you want to learn everything - which I quite approve of - you should find guides.  You may like this: https://linuxjourney.com/
[20:19] <bumblefuzz_> no one's ever had a problem before
[20:19] <bumblefuzz_> support is learning, btw
[20:19] <bumblefuzz_> goodnight
[20:21] <Nebucatnetzer> any ideas about my nvidia problems? I'm a stuck atm.
[20:21] <sofia07> can anyone help me navigate to http://download.onlyoffice.com/repo/debian
[20:21] <fooobarrr> you could try installing the proprietary drivers Nebucatnetzer ...
[20:22] <Nebucatnetzer> I tried that already, it breaks the suspend functionality
[20:22] <fooobarrr> oh yeah that's true
[20:22] <Nebucatnetzer> both the 390 and the 410 version
[20:22] <fooobarrr> I'm not at home now I'll have to check this evening if suspend is broken
[20:23] <OerHeks> sofia07, why should we give support for that commercial binairy blob?
[20:24] <Nebucatnetzer> it seems to be a problem with the Precision 5530, found a guy on stackexchange who had the same problem.
[20:25] <ryuo> Nebucatnetzer: tried BIOS updates yet?
[20:25] <sofia07> OerHeks, I just need to get into it, it is a opensource community versopm
[20:25] <Nebucatnetzer> yeah ubuntu did that automatically for me. was quite a magic experience to see this working on a linux device btw :)
[20:26] <ryuo> Only because Dell went out of their way to support it.
[20:26] <ryuo> It's not the normal case.
[20:26] <OerHeks> ask their support, i think you already tried their helppages ? https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/desktop/documents/linux/installation-ubuntu.aspx
[20:26] <Nebucatnetzer> aye, still great to see though
[20:28] <OerHeks> or look for the snap version https://snapcraft.io/onlyoffice-desktopeditors
[20:28] <MikeRL> Uh oh.
[20:28] <MikeRL> I think I went looking for a fix and stumbled across an even bigger bug.
[20:29] <MikeRL> I just went to unlock Ubuntu and the app launcher was visible from the lock screen. Could easily launch and quit apps.
[20:29] <MikeRL> But they were not visible.
[20:29] <MikeRL> At least there's that.
[20:29] <Nebucatnetzer> The nouveau driver seems to work quite well and I don't really mind using it (sure the proprietary one would have a better performance). But with the nouveau driver optirun doesn't work.
[20:29] <Nebucatnetzer> [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not enable discrete graphics card
[20:29] <Greyztar> onlyoffice pdf reader no good
[20:30] <MikeRL> How should I go about reporting a lockscreen bug? ubuntu-bug and then what?
[20:30] <Greyztar> it leaves out half of graphics in most my pdfs
[20:31] <MikeRL> That bug allows anyone to terminate your apps.
[20:33] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, just a try; you can blacklist nouveau : nouveau.blacklist=1 in /etc/default/grub  and sudo update-grub ... easy to test
[20:34] <Nebucatnetzer> I tried that, and basically everything from here:
[20:34] <Nebucatnetzer> https://www.dell.com/community/Inspiron/Suspend-resume-problems-on-Ubuntu-18-04/td-p/6072410
[20:35] <ioria> and ? no luck ?
[20:35] <Nebucatnetzer> I know the thread begins talking about the Inspiron but one of the guys has the XPS16 9570 which is basically the little brother of the Precision
[20:36] <Nebucatnetzer> no luck, suspend is still broken
[20:36] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, what happens when you resume ?
[20:37] <Nebucatnetzer> sometimes just a black screen and sometimes it shows a the lockscreen and then dies
[20:37] <Nebucatnetzer> I have to press the power button 10s to get it back to life
[20:37] <tamj0rd2> I've made a post here if anyone else is able to take a look: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2405879
[20:38] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, yeah; have you tried to switch to console and back to the gui ?
[20:38] <Nebucatnetzer> aye, can't get tty to show up.
[20:39] <fassl> i have similar issues, a workaround for me is to boot windows, and then linux, then it is fine
[20:40] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, and if you switch to intel before suspend ?
[20:40] <MikeRL> Think the bug would be in gdm
[20:41] <ioria> MikeRL, about this ?
[20:41] <Nebucatnetzer> I could try that.
[20:41] <kur1j> is there an easy way to change the S0X values of a SysV service?
[20:41] <kur1j> in 16.04
[20:41] <fassl> could it be device sleeping/resume functions in DSDT do different stuff for linux/windows and cause that issue?
[20:42] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, common issue btw: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1090542/how-do-i-get-suspend-working-on-my-dell-precision-5530-running-ubuntu-18-10-and
[20:42] <Nebucatnetzer> I answered in that post ;)
[20:42] <ioria> lol
[20:46] <MikeRL> ioria, Yes in gdm3. I reported it. Uncertain of how to reproduce.
[20:46] <MikeRL> ioria, It just seemed to happen.
[20:46] <ioria> MikeRL, i see
[20:46] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, risky laternative: use lightdm instead of gdm3
[20:46] <MikeRL> And now oddly enough something else bugged out and I have an old mouse cursor on the screen that does not move.
[20:47] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1802981
[20:47] <Nebucatnetzer> wouldn't be that risky would it?
[20:47] <MikeRL> Should it be classified as a security risk?
[20:48] <ioria> Nebucatnetzer, well,officially lightdm does not match very well with lock screen ; but i use it and it's ok (so far)
[20:48] <lordcirth_work> Another thing I've done when a lock screen breaks is just install i3lock + xautolock
[20:49] <lordcirth_work> not as clean, but it works
[20:52] <Nebucatnetzer> I'll give it a try. See you in a sec.
[20:58] <MikeRL> I'm going to reboot since everything is acting flaky, and then I'll be back in under 5 min.
[21:01] <MikeRL> Back.
[21:05] <coconut> thank you lordcirth_work for the url to linuxjourney.com !
[21:05] <coconut> Do you have more of these url's? :)
[21:06] <MikeRL> I marked it as a private security issue just to be safe.
[21:06] <lordcirth_work> coconut, http://overthewire.org/wargames/bandit/
[21:09] <coconut> thnx lordcirth_work :D !
[21:09] <bumblefuzz> hi, i'm having trouble ensuring change of my DNS server settings. I've changed them in Network Manager but, when I run nslookup, server is <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:09] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help??
[21:09] <lordcirth_work> bumblefuzz, you realize 127.* is localhost right?
[21:10] <bumblefuzz> yes
[21:10] <bumblefuzz> I am unable to change my DNS settings, as far as I'm able to tell
[21:11] <hggdh> bumblefuzz: actually, you probably have changed it. the "DNS server" listening on 127.0.0.x will forward the request to a real server
[21:11] <bumblefuzz> can anyone help me either confirm my DNS settings are changed or help me change them?
[21:11] <bumblefuzz> it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:11] <bumblefuzz> is that still localhost
[21:11] <hggdh> yes
[21:12] <hggdh> the whole <IP_ADDRESS>/8 is reserved for localhost
[21:12] <bumblefuzz> is there an easy way to tell?
[21:12] <Ben64> bumblefuzz: nmcli dev show | grep DNS
[21:13] <bumblefuzz> beautiful
[21:13] <bumblefuzz> those are the ones I set
[21:13] <bumblefuzz> thank you!
[21:13] <Ben64> no problem
[21:13] <ddoobb> where are global environment variables stored?
[21:13] <ddoobb> Some package has set up some shortcuts for directory names in my bash, I want to see where they are stored.
[21:14] <ddoobb> They are like $tuts_directory
[21:15] <lordcirth_work> ddoobb, there are a few places it could be.  The fast way?  'grep -r "directory_name" /etc/' :P
[21:21] <ddoobb> lordcirth_work: that pulls up like 50 directories all with 'permission denied'
[21:22] <lordcirth_work> ddoobb, "grep -r "directory_name" /etc/ 2> /dev/null", then
[21:23] <Nebucatnetzer> so I'm back :), lightdm broke basically everything. Got a whole lot of these messages: PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key. And X didn't start anymore. Changed back to GDM3 and it's working again. The error "PKCS#7 signature not signed with a trusted key" still shows up however. Funny enough suspend is working now. Who knows why. optirun still shows the same message however.
[21:23] <lordcirth_work> Something to do with gnome-keyring, I think
[21:23] <ddoobb> lordcirth_work: nothing :(
[21:24] <lordcirth_work> ddoobb, try looking through your own .bashrc and so on, maybe they put it there then.
[21:24] <lordcirth_work> It was a .deb package?
[21:24] <lordcirth_work> .deb's probably wouldn'
[21:25] <lordcirth_work> *'t make it specific to your user, actually.
[21:30] <ddoobb> lordcirth_work:  what is the syntax for defining an environment variable in bashrc?
[21:30] <Nebucatnetzer> AFAIK export EDITOR=vim
[21:30] <lordcirth_work> Pretty much.  Look at your own ~/.bashrc for examples
[21:31] <Nebucatnetzer> where EDITOR would be the variable
[21:32] <ddoobb> found it. Thanks
[21:57] <Nebucatnetzer> so I give up for today. At least the intel card is working and doesn't use a ton of power. Thanks for your help @everyone :)
[22:21] <S3xyL1nux> so there is this purpble screen that show up for split seconds when booting
[22:21] <S3xyL1nux> any idea how to remoove it
[22:29] <mattwj2002> hey room, is this the appropriate channel to ask an Ubuntu issue on the Windows subsystem ?
[22:31] <mattwj2002> https://pastebin.com/uNw7nV1z
[22:31] <ryuo> No, I don't think so. Unless it can be reproduced on a regular environment.
[22:32] <OerHeks> !wsl
[22:33] <popey> Unfortunately #ubuntu-on-windows is a very quiet channel
[22:33] <balsaq> this is very interesting
[22:33] <balsaq> i would like to try this
[22:34] <OerHeks> mattwj2002, basicly, after install, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[22:34] <OerHeks> that will trigger the update setting and such
[22:34] <balsaq> popey RU SAYING we can run linux out of a file without installing it in windows?
[22:34] <OerHeks> .. but if this works under WSL, beats me
[22:35] <popey> balsaq: I'm not saying anything. :)
[22:35] <popey> balsaq: Ubuntu on Windows (a.k.a. Bash on Windows, WSL) is a way to run a Linux-like environment on Windows, as detailed by the bot above
[22:35] <balsaq> so u run linux on top of windows
[22:36] <balsaq> like kali
[22:36] <OerHeks> some tweak WSL to run a full desktop on it, but it is not intended for that AFAIK
[22:36] <popey> Kinda. But not exactly. It's not Linux.
[22:36] <ryuo> Some stuff doesn't work because it's not a true Linux environment though.
[22:36] <mattwj2002> matt@DESKTOP-J5LD3NL:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
[22:36] <mattwj2002> matt@DESKTOP-J5LD3NL:~$
[22:36] <mattwj2002> oops
[22:37] <balsaq> its just a hack
[22:37] <popey> It's far from a hack
[22:37] <mattwj2002> It says /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libdvd-pkg is broken or not fully installed
[22:37] <popey> It is a supported tool by Microsoft
[22:37] <ryuo> It's an improvement over msys at least.
[22:37] <balsaq> what is the purpose of it
[22:37] <ryuo> Or cygwin.
[22:37] <popey> The purpose is to enable windows users to have a linux-like environment on their windows machine
[22:37] <popey> (for example if you are not allowed to wipe windows off your work computer)
[22:38] <balsaq> well we can run linux live right
[22:38] <popey> You may be able to, some people aren't allowed.
[22:38] <balsaq> yeah we would not be allowed to do either
[22:39] <balsaq> have to charge this battery...
[22:40] <mattwj2002> https://pastebin.com/dSnhs7bS
[22:40] <mattwj2002> I uninstalled the package and tried to reinstall
[22:40] <mattwj2002> should I submit a bug report ?
[22:41] <popey> What's the goal of installing that library?
[22:41] <OerHeks> failed to set securebits to 024/0x14 ..
[22:42] <mattwj2002> popey, I am working on transcoding
[22:42] <ryuo> it's trying to build it for some reason.
[22:42] <popey> that library contains scripts that build binaries
[22:43] <OerHeks> watching dvd in wsl ..
[22:43] <mattwj2002> OerHeks, basically
[22:44] <popey> Looks like you are not alone. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085259/ubuntu-under-windows-10-linux-subsystem
[22:44] <popey> This could well just be a limitation of WSL
[22:44] <popey> It's not really Linux.