[00:09] <poolie> i got a "sorry, there was a problem connecting"...
[00:14] <spm> poolie: any page in particular?
[00:15] <poolie> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/293868
[00:15] <poolie> it didn't recur
[00:16] <Ursinha> poolie, a timeout oops?
[00:16] <poolie> no oops
[00:16] <poolie> not necessarily a big deal
[00:16] <poolie> anyhow no oops visible to me
[00:18] <spm> poolie: given the time? I'd suggest you nicely hit a log rotation, before the balancer noticed that the server in question was temp afk as it were.
[00:33] <NCommander> When will jaunty PPAs be available?
[00:34] <wgrant> When somebody clicks the magic checkbox.
[00:34] <wgrant> For each arch.
[00:34] <wgrant> It took a couple of weeks last time.
[00:34] <wgrant> No idea why.
[00:35] <NCommander> oh good :-P
[00:35]  * NCommander is preparing his set of uploads for Jaunty
[04:48] <synic> anything up with bzr today?
[04:48] <synic> I've made some commits that aren't showing up, and haven't for a few hours
[04:49] <synic> not just not showing up, but I can't access them via 'bzr pull' on another machine
[04:49] <spiv> spm: ^
[04:50] <synic> I push on one machine, and it says "pushed up to revision 1699", but trying to pull results in "already up-to-date", even though it's still at 1678 or so
[04:50] <spm> synic: what branch?
[04:50] <synic> lp:exaile
[04:50] <spm> spiv: ta for the heads up :-)
[04:50] <synic> let me get the exact url
[04:51] <spm> synic: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/exaile is a good starting point fwiw...
[04:51] <synic> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/exaile-0.3.0
[04:51] <spm> snap :-)
[04:58] <spm> synic: interesting.... on the file system I'm seeing revision 1689
[04:59] <synic> yeah, that's what I just pushed to (those numbers I gave you were made up)
[05:00] <synic> great.  Now it's working.
[05:00] <synic> sigh
[05:00] <spm> ah - right - cool - had me a bit worried there - so the problem is more in the interface only showing 1685?
[05:01] <synic> well, even a pull wasn't working, for probably 3 hours or so
[05:01] <synic> I've seen the interface take a while, but the local repo wasn't updating
[05:01] <spm> hmmm. unsure - spiv this might be back in your area of expertise?
[05:03] <spiv> spm: is the updatebranches job (or whatever it is called?) working?
[05:03] <spm> spiv: Possibly not actually - haven't had a chance to chase those down yet - ta for the reminder... looking....
[05:04] <spiv> It sounds like the script that's meant to copy updates from the hosted (bzr+ssh) area to mirror (http) area.
[05:06] <spiv> (It sounds like it isn't working, that is.  It helps if I write complete sentences...)
[05:06] <spm> :-) I got it
[05:22] <spm> spiv: yeah - 'twas busted. lost in it's own world and making a mess of ... everything.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> beuno: pong.  Yes please.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> beuno: looks promising, thanks.
[06:40] <ianm_> is the bzr repo working?
[06:41] <ianm_> someone sees "Tree is up to date at revision 745.", I see "Tree is up to date at revision 794.", website says it's at 788 hehe
[06:41] <spm> ianm_: yes - *but* :-) am working on it.... keeps getting itself stuck.
[06:43] <ianm_> spm: I'll try to slow down :(
[06:43] <spiv> ianm_: accessing branches via sftp:// or bzr+ssh:// will be up to date, even if http:// is running behind.
[06:43] <ianm_> hm ok
[06:43] <ianm_> does the website use http to get the info?
[06:44] <spiv> No, but the process that updates the website is the same copies the data to the http area.
[06:46] <ianm_> ah
[07:03] <spm> synic: ianm_: we appear to be unstuck at long last - so the changes should appear RSN.
[07:05] <ianm_> spm: great!
[07:06] <spm> I wasn't using a big enough hammer to smash things properly - selected the appropriate sledgie and all works again. ;-)
[07:08] <ianm_> spm the plumber
[07:09] <spm> heh. feels like it at times. crawling around the server sewers...
[07:48] <wgrant> spiv: Doesn't one only get to see the original (read: not mirror) copy of the branch through bzr+ssh if one has launchpad.Edit on it?
[08:53] <mrevell> Howdy Launchpadderoos
[09:10] <Hobbsee> evening mrevell
[09:10] <mrevell> hey there Hobbsee
[09:11]  * wgrant wafts in.
[12:34] <ahasenack> hmm, some bug listings in launchpad can't be sorted, while others can. Known bug? For example, I can't click on the columns here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/landscape-client
[12:36] <beuno> ahasenack, when in doubt, file a bug. Worst case scenario, it will be marked as a dupe, and more attention will be payed towards the original bug  ;)
[12:37] <ahasenack> beuno: ok, thanks
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ahasenack: that happens on multiple pages across launchpad.  i'm assuming it's something beuno will look into, as he looks at fixing some of the UI problems in LP
[12:37] <Hobbsee> but yes, bug.
[12:37] <ahasenack> Hobbsee: ok
[12:38] <beuno> Hobbsee, yeah, all listings will be changed before the end of 3.0
[12:38] <beuno> all will behave the same
[12:38] <Hobbsee> beuno: nice :).  When's 3.0 scheduled?
[12:38] <beuno> "in the best possible way"
[12:38] <beuno> I think july next year
[12:38] <beuno> but, many many many things will happen in between
[12:39] <Hobbsee> that's true
[12:39] <Hobbsee> like open sourcing launchpad, presumably.
[12:40] <beuno> I think that's scheduled around the same date
[12:40] <beuno> although other intermediate steps will happen in between as well
[12:40] <Hobbsee> right
[13:44] <mlischke> hi there
[13:44] <mlischke> just trying to get my feets wet with Launchpad first time
[13:44] <mlischke> and I got a little question
[13:44] <mlischke> how can I create a project group?
[13:44] <mlischke> I found the project creation page and created already two projects, but I want to nest them
[13:46] <soren> mlischke: You can make a project part of another project.
[13:46] <soren> mlischke: See the project's details page.
[13:46] <soren> http://launchpad.net/<project name>/+edit
[13:46] <soren> I've never used it, though.
[13:46] <mlischke> soren: I know, but this "super-project" must be a project group it seems
[13:47] <mlischke> Part of:
[13:47] <mlischke> (Optional)
[13:47] <mlischke> (Choose…)
[13:47] <mlischke> Super-project. In Launchpad, we can setup a special "project group" that is an overarching initiative that includes several related projects
[13:47] <soren> Ok, so you probably need to ask to have one of those created.
[13:47] <mlischke> I cannot specify one of my projects in the other, though.
[13:48] <mlischke> seems so, unless there is a (not so obvious) way to create a project group
[13:49] <mlischke> bac: ping
[13:49] <bac> mlischke: hi
[13:49] <mlischke> hey bac
[13:49] <mlischke> can you help me with my little beginners question?
[13:49] <bac> sure
[13:50] <mlischke> I need to create a project group in LP which is part of anouther project group
[13:50] <mlischke> But I don't find a link or setting to do that.
[13:50] <bac> mlischke: You want nested project groups?
[13:50] <mlischke> indeed
[13:50] <bac> Unfortunately we do not support nested project groups.
[13:51] <mlischke> mysql -> mysql gui tools -> several gui projects
[13:51] <mlischke> hmm
[13:51] <bac> For a project the size of MySQL it would certainly be nice but we just don't have the facilities right now.
[13:51] <mlischke> I understand
[13:52] <mlischke> any plans to add this feature in the future?
[13:52] <bac> mlischke: If you'd like to file a bug against launchpad it might help that feature get implemented, though I can't make any promises.
[13:53] <mlischke> Would you recommend to create a GUI tools project and add all the sub projects as separate branches or rather create individual projects?
[13:53]  * LarstiQ leans towards individual projects
[13:53] <bac> I would create separate projects.  Managing unrelated code as different branches or series is not the model we recommend.
[13:54] <soren> bac: Eh?
[13:54] <soren> bac: What do you call what MySQL already has?
[13:54] <mlischke> hmm, good point, though some code is shared among the other projects
[13:54] <soren> bac: and d-i? and mozilla?
[13:54] <bac> soren: Those are separate projects within a single project group.
[13:54] <soren> Isn't that what mlischke is askign?
[13:54] <bac> No
[13:54] <bac> He was asking for nested project groups.
[13:55] <soren> Oh, right.
[13:55] <mlischke> soren: basically yes, but I cannot create a project group gui-tools within the project group mysql
[13:55] <mlischke> hence I'm looking for a workaround
[13:55] <soren> Sorry, my mistake.
[13:55] <mlischke> there will be 3 projects (apps) and one shared (library) project
[13:56] <bac> mlischke: I think the only solution at the moment is to have lots of indidual projects under the MySQL project group.  I see there are already very many so it will just add to the existing one.
[13:56] <mlischke> oh yes, it already gets crowded
[13:57] <mlischke> bac, how would I drop a project I no longer need?
[13:58] <bac> File a request in the Answer section of Launchpad and a LP admin will take care of it.
[13:58] <mlischke> excellent, thank you
[13:58] <bac> np
[14:30] <verwilst> hellow!
[14:30] <verwilst> i just uploaded a new package to my ppa
[14:30] <verwilst> a few minutes ago
[14:30] <verwilst> but nothing seems to happen ;)
[14:31] <bigjools> be patient and it will
[14:31] <verwilst> ah, it's there!
[14:31] <verwilst> bigjools: hehe idd :D
[14:33] <verwilst> i uploaded the package for intrepid
[14:33] <verwilst> now i want the same package for hardy
[14:33] <verwilst> so i changed intrepid to hardy in the changelog
[14:33] <verwilst> and ran another debuild on it
[14:33] <verwilst> but now dput doesnt want to upload it because it already exists?
[14:34] <verwilst> what's the best way to upload a package for 2 distro versions?
[14:35] <bigjools> verwilst: use the copy packages feature
[14:36] <verwilst> bigjools: aah :) they told me in #ubuntu-motu to do it with the changelog :)
[14:36] <verwilst> can i copy while it's still building?
[14:36] <bigjools> no, you need to wait
[14:36] <bigjools> well - try it and you'll see
[14:37] <verwilst> hm, guess not :)
[14:37]  * verwilst loves his ppa
[14:38] <verwilst> the official packages that debian has suck really hard.. i guess i can make a bugreport asking them to import mine instead?
[14:38] <verwilst> ( talking about zabbix )
[14:38] <verwilst> or can i start a bugreport asking ubuntu to sync my ppa package to the universe repo?
[14:39] <bigjools> you could try to get someone to sponsor an upload for you
[14:39] <bigjools> or submit patches upstream
[14:47] <verwilst> hm
[14:48] <verwilst> how do i find a sponsor? :)
[14:48] <verwilst> hm Status is published, but when i try to copy a package it says i have to wait until it's published? :)
[14:48] <verwilst> or am i too anxious again? :D
[14:50] <verwilst> "same version has unpublished binaries in the destination archive for Intrepid, please wait for them to be published before copying" to be exact
[15:05] <pro-rsoft> Hi, if you request feedback from someone, why doesnt that someone get an email?
[15:06] <beuno> pro-rsoft, how ddid you request feedback?
[15:06] <pro-rsoft> just in the blueprint the button "Request Feedback"
[15:07] <beuno> sinzui, ^
[15:08] <sinzui> blueprints need smaking
[15:08] <sinzui> pro-rsoft: I don't have an immediate answer. I don't know if it even tries to send an email
[15:09] <pro-rsoft> sinzui, ok
[15:09]  * sinzui think blueprints needs dismantaling to be fixed
[15:16] <glade88> barry: ping
[15:17] <barry> glade88: pong (but in a meeting)  what's up?
[15:17] <glade88> barry: oh okay. I'll catch you later then :)
[15:18] <barry> np
[15:25] <verwilst> are you sure i can copy for example " zabbix - 1:1.6.1~ppa1", built for intrepid, to hardy in my ppa?
[15:25] <verwilst> it keeps nagging about "The following source cannot be copied: zabbix 1:1.6.1~ppa1 in intrepid (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive)"
[15:26] <kiko> verwilst, you can copy source + binaries, though the binaries are often uninstallable when going backwards
[15:26] <verwilst> aaah some people don't do ~ppa1 but ~hardy1 and ~intrepid1
[15:27] <verwilst> kiko: yeah i know, i just want my package to be available for intrepid and hardy
[15:27] <verwilst> should i change ~ppa to ~hardy and ~intrepid?
[15:43] <glade88> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/286342
[15:49] <bac> glade88: i think you're right that barry partially misunderstood this bug.  thanks for pointing it out.
[15:51] <barry> bac, glade88 yep, i saw the bug comment, so i'll respond there
[15:51] <glade88> bac: np
[17:28] <MTecknology> leonardr: you awake?
[17:34] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: hi
[17:48] <joshuablount> Can someone remind me how to get to a project's ppa ? /do and /gwibber are the two I need right now.
[17:48] <beuno> joshuablount, you need to go to the team
[17:48] <beuno> projects don't have PPAs
[17:48] <beuno> "for now"
[17:49] <beuno> I intend to change that ASAP
[17:49] <joshuablount> beuno: I guess after clicking around previous times I just eneded up at /~team-name
[17:49] <joshuablount> beuno: Thanks for the clarification :)
[17:49] <beuno> joshuablount, I feel your pain  :)
[18:19] <ahasenack> hi, how do I move a ticket from series N to series N+1?
[18:26] <bac_afk> ahasenack: hi.  could you explain more about what you want to do
[18:26] <ahasenack> bac: a ticket is being tracked in series 1.2, but it wasn't fixed in time
[18:27] <ahasenack> bac: I want to move it to the 1.3 series
[18:27] <ahasenack> bac: i.e., it won't be part of the 1.2 release anymore
[18:28] <bac> ahasenack: Are you referring the the 1.2 milestone?
[18:28] <ahasenack> bac: no, I have a series called 1.2 and another one, recently created, called 1.3
[18:28] <ahasenack> bac: the LP page says "Status tracked in 1.2 " for the ticket in question,
[18:29] <ahasenack> bac: and lists another line with "1.2     new" ("new" is the status)
[18:29] <bac> By ticket you mean bug or answer?
[18:29] <ahasenack> bac: bug
[18:29] <bac> Can you paste a URL?
[18:29] <ahasenack> bac: we used the bug to track a feature
[18:29] <ahasenack> bac: but that feature didn't make it in time
[18:29] <ahasenack> bac: it's a private bug, not sure if you can read it
[18:30] <bac> ahasenack: ok, i understand your question now
[18:36] <bac> ahasenack: You should be able to select 'target to release' and target it to 1.3.  It'll then be targeted to both 1.2 and 1.3.  You can then set the bugtask status for 1.2 to "Won't Fix".  You may want to try that on staging.launchpad.net to ensure you understand the workflow.
[18:38] <ahasenack> bac: hmm, bugtask? Should I see that now or only when it's targeted to 1.3?
[18:39] <bac> ahasenack: when you view the bug there can be multiple rows showing the bug targeted to different releases or products.  Each of those rows is a bugtask.
[18:40] <ahasenack> bac: right, I'm trying it now
[18:41] <ahasenack> bac: ok, I think that's it
[18:41] <ahasenack> bac: thanks again
[18:45] <bac> ahasenack: no problem.  glad we worked it out.
[18:46] <bigon> hi
[18:47] <bigon> how could I change the address where email that goes to my @ubuntu.com are forwarded?
[18:48] <stdin> it goes to whatever your default LP contact email address is
[18:49] <stdin> set it from https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails
[18:49] <bigon> statik: I have selected the @ubuntu.com address as the default one
[18:49] <bigon> stdin: ^
[18:50] <stdin> hmm, I'm not sure how LP deals with that
[18:51] <bac> hi bigon -- i don't know the answer but i'm looking for you
[18:53] <andrea-bs> bigon: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail (Launchpad primary address)
[18:54] <bigon> andrea-bs: well actually it does not cause a loop
[18:54] <bac> thanks andrea-bs
[18:54] <bigon> but does not use the address I want
[18:55] <andrea-bs> bigon: when did you change the primary address?
[18:56] <bigon> when I got it 1,5 year ago
[18:56] <andrea-bs> bigon: yes, but when did you set @ubuntu.com as default address?
[18:59] <bigon> andrea-bs: about a year ago i think
[19:01] <ahasenack> bac: hmm, so that task for series 1.2 is marked as "won't fix", and the new one for series 1.3 is "new".
[19:02] <ahasenack> bac: the 1.2 one (won't fix) is attached to a milestone, thames+1
[19:02] <ahasenack> bac: the 1.3 one is attached to the milestone thames+2
[19:02] <andrea-bs> bigon: oh, strange... I can't help you, so if nobody can answer you here, try on #canonical-sysadmin ;)
[19:02] <andrea-bs> bigon: sorry
[19:02] <ahasenack> bac: oh, forget it, I got it
[19:02] <bigon> andrea-bs: no problem I will ask on the other channel
[19:02] <ahasenack> bac: nothing like explaining the problem and seeing the solution right away :)
[19:03] <bac> bigon:  i've asked the sysadmins what happens in that case.  i'll let you know if i get an answer.
[19:03] <bac> ahasenack: great
[19:03] <bigon> bac: thx
[19:03] <bac> bigon: i know they have a test for an @ubuntu.com address, so i suspect they may just grab the next one.
[19:04] <bac> bigon:  however i see you do not have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as your preferred address in LP.
[19:04] <bigon> I've just changed it to test
[19:05] <kiko> I don't think using an ubuntu.com address as your preferred address actually works
[19:05] <kiko> salgado can confirm
[19:05] <bac> kiko:  this indicates it does:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-September/002081.html
[19:06] <salgado> kiko, I never remember how that works.  I know for sure that elmo does, though
[19:06] <bac> i see that mario does have his preferred email as his ubuntu.com address.
[19:07] <bac> but it seems like a strange thing to be concerned about.  just set the preferred email address in LP to the one you really want mail to go to and it should work for the ubuntu.com address.
[19:10] <superm1> Hi, can someone double check a hold up on an initial translation import?  Launchpad claims that it's been imported (https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/dell-recovery/trunk/+imports), but there is an OOPS when trying to go to the link (https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/dell-recovery/trunk/+pots/dell-recovery)
[19:22] <Odd_Bloke> So I'd like to get rid of the ridiculous number of 404s when bzr attempts to find .bzr/smart (or whatever it is) whenever LP mirrors branches on my server.  Will changing, for example, "http://bzr.daniel-watkins.co.uk/pqm/tag" to "http+nosmart://bzr.daniel-watkins.co.uk/pqm/tag" work?
[19:22] <bac> superm1: All of the translation guys are gone right now.  Would you mind opening a bug for this issue?
[19:22] <superm1> bac, sure just point me where to open it against and i'll do so
[19:23] <bac> Just against the launchpad project.  It's get reassigned to the right place.
[19:23] <bac> http://launchpad.net/launchpad
[19:23] <superm1> alright thx
[19:24] <bac> thanks
[19:24] <MTecknology> Is there any way to get this access? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/50189
[19:30] <kiko> MTecknology, how much do you know about openid?
[19:31] <MTecknology> kiko: some... not a whole lot
[19:31] <kiko> MTecknology, okay. so I suggest you first read into it and implement a simple openid client before trying to work out the groups extension
[19:32] <kiko> MTecknology, what are you trying to integrate? moin?
[19:32] <MTecknology> drupal
[19:32] <MTecknology> it has openid built in
[19:32] <MTecknology> the fridge uses drupal and I don't see any signs that they modified it much
[19:32] <kiko> MTecknology, the fridge runs a custom branch.
[19:32] <kiko> hang on.
[19:34]  * MTecknology sits wondering what trick or treat is coming
[19:35] <kiko> MTecknology, I don't know whether that code is released or not
[19:35] <MTecknology> dang, it's a trick
[19:35] <MTecknology> :P
[19:37] <MTecknology> kiko: I meantioned this to somebody else
[19:37] <MTecknology> I wonder if I can modify the openid login page to request the users openid url and use that...
[19:37] <MTecknology> I thought I posted something like that in here, but i don't see it
[19:38] <kiko> MTecknology, that question doesn't make a lot of sense.
[19:39] <MTecknology> which part?
[19:39] <kiko> MTecknology, I think you need to a) understand a bit more about the openid protocol and implementation b) explain in laymans terms what it is you're trying to do
[19:39] <MTecknology> Sorry for sounding like an idiot
[19:39] <kiko> MTecknology, it's just that what you are saying doesn't make a lot of sense and I think it's because you are rushing into solutions instead of talking about your problem
[19:40] <MTecknology> I want people to be able to log into my site without using the the openid url or user/pass. I would like to pass them to LP, have them login there and get passed back to my site with whatever they need to authenticate as themselves.
[19:41] <kiko> MTecknology, well short answer is that there's no way of doing that -- openid requires they provide a URL to the openid provider
[19:42] <MTecknology> how does the fridge do it... maybe that
[19:42] <kiko> MTecknology, they need to provide an openid URL, though if you have openid 2 implemented they can just say "id.launchpad.net"
[19:42] <MTecknology> 's what i'm getting confused on
[19:42] <kiko> the fridge does it using openid
[19:42] <kiko> or actually does it?
[19:42] <MTecknology> heh....
[19:42] <MTecknology> that form I have is pretty much ripped off from the fridge
[19:43] <kiko> okay so the fridge does use openid, it just hardcodes authenticating against launchpad.net
[19:43] <kiko> so yeah, this should be possible
[19:44] <MTecknology> except that what they do required special privs
[19:44] <kiko> no, I don't think so
[19:45] <MTecknology> that's what i got as a response on my question
[19:45] <MTecknology> that last link i posted
[19:46] <MTecknology> I'll be back in a few minutes
[19:51] <bac> hi bigon
[19:52] <bigon> bac: hi
[19:52] <bac> bigon: i have the answer about how ubuntu.com addresses are handled
[19:52] <MTecknology> kiko: class was over - I really need a proxy
[19:53] <bac> it is originally your preferred email address in LP.  but it takes up to 48 hours to get set up.
[19:53] <bac> if you later change your preferred address to be your ubuntu.com address, then the cycle is recognized and the update is ignored, so the forwarding address remains the old preferred address
[19:54] <bac> there is an outstanding bug to not allow people to set the ubuntu.com address as their preferred address in LP b/c it really makes no sense
[19:57] <bigon> bac: ok thx
[19:57] <kiko> MTecknology, looking into your request.
[19:58] <MTecknology> kiko: check the update on that question...
[20:02] <kiko> MTecknology, so.. I have good news and I have bad news.
[20:02] <kiko> MTecknology, the good news is that the stuff necessary to making the plugin work for you will be finished by december
[20:02] <MTecknology> It exists but isn't public?
[20:02] <kiko> MTecknology, the bad news is that it's december!
[20:03] <MTecknology> end of next month?
[20:03] <kiko> yeah
[20:03] <MTecknology> YES!!!
[20:04] <MTecknology> Have a link for updates?
[20:05] <MTecknology> I can handle waiting - 1 to 2 months is absolutely great. It'll give me a chance to focus on the activity of my loco rather that the technology available with it
[20:08] <MTecknology> kiko: Do you have any way for me to see when that plugin becomes available?
[20:08] <kiko> MTecknology, we'll probably do a public release of it, and it should go on launchpad.net/drupal itself
[20:09] <MTecknology> oh - umm - I always grabbed drupal from their site - 6.6 atm
[20:10] <MTecknology> so the fridge is running 5.2 atm?
[20:16] <MTecknology> kiko: If that plugin is released will it probably be a 5.x only or also 6.x?
[20:17] <MTecknology> I can handle switching to 5.x if that's the case but I'd prefer start working on the changes right away
 kiko, it's tested against 5.x only
[20:43] <MTecknology> kiko: Looks like I answered my question. 8.10 has drupal 5 so that's the version I'll need to move to for my site. Thanks for helping me out on that :)
[20:44] <kiko> heh, I wish I had helped more!
[20:46] <MTecknology> kiko: actually - that was an immense help
[20:47] <MTecknology> kiko: You think the announcement will be on lp.net/drupal/+announcements
[20:51] <kiko> MTecknology, flacoste_lunch tells me he will make a note to let you know when it's out there.
[20:52] <MTecknology> kiko: awesome - thanks again. I'm really thankful for what you've done for me :)
[20:56] <Lantash> I'm one of the developers of the LottaNZB project hosted on Launchpad and Bazaar 1.6.1 (u 8.10) asked me to 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance. Running 'bzr upgrade' locally resulted in "format 1 is already at the most recent format". And bzr got stuck while executing 'bzr upgrade lp:lottanzb'.  I finally upgraded Bazaar to 1.9dev. A local branch upgrade is still not possible and upgrading the one on lp.net produces the following mes
[20:56] <Odd_Bloke> Lantash: You were cut off at "following mes".
[20:57] <Lantash> [...] message: "[...] File exists: '/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/00/1a/c2/backup.bzr'". Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks alot.
[20:58] <kiko> MTecknology, not much, but okay :)
[20:59] <Lantash> @Odd_Bloke: The branch I'm talking about: https://code.launchpad.net/~lottanzb/lottanzb/main
[20:59] <Odd_Bloke> Lantash: I can't really help, was just letting you know. :)
[21:00] <MTecknology> kiko: I'm just happy to know what's going on as far as that's concerned. I have more questions about its dev - but I'll wait for the release... I'll also convert my site to use that code instead
[21:01] <Lantash> Never mind. There's hope that at least one out of 130 users knows the answer ;-)
[21:02] <kiko> Lantash, ah, hmm, you can sftp in and delete or rename that dir, I believe. have you tried lftp?
[21:02] <MTecknology> kiko: It's some good news to go against me having to write a vb program now... :P
[21:05] <kiko> heh
[21:21] <Lantash> @kiko: Would you mind telling me how to do this? sftp [what]? Deleting the file shouldn't be hard once I'm in the right directory :-)
[21:22] <kiko> lftp into sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~<lp-id>
[21:24] <Lantash> "lftp sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lottanzb
[21:24] <Lantash> cd: Zugriff nicht möglich: No such file: '/~lottanzb'" (lantash doesn't work either) Sorry for bothering you...
[21:51] <Odd_Bloke> Lantash: Have you set up an SSH key?
[21:52] <kiko> Lantash, hmm, maybe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:37] <logari81> hi, I am trying to upload a package to my ppa for the first time, but only dsc and sources files are being uploaded, no deb-package
[22:37] <logari81> this is my archive
[22:37] <logari81> https://launchpad.net/~logari81/+archive/
[22:38] <logari81> could anyone help me?
[22:42] <cprov> logari81: you only need to upload the source package to launchpad PPA, it will *build* the binaries for you.
[22:44] <logari81> cprov: I get the message, that they have been built, but I see no deb packages? takes it longer to see them in the ppa?
[22:44] <logari81> o yes
[22:45] <logari81> I see now, it was just a matter of time, thnx anyway
[22:45] <zooko> Hey, it looks like launchpad pushed some data into one of the tickets on my trac:
[22:45] <cprov> logari81: np, binaries take up to 20 min to get published in the repository
[22:46] <zooko> http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/ticket/402#comment:23
[22:46] <logari81> cprov: they are already there thnx
[22:46] <zooko> But what is that number that launchpad pushed into my trac?
[22:46] <zooko> https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=236190
[22:47] <zooko> None of the hits when I search for "236190" are related to tahoe ticket #402.
[22:48] <cprov> logari81: cool, thanks for using the launchpad PPAs.
[22:50] <zooko> Whereas here is a bug that *does* link to my tahoe trac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/allmydata.org/+bug/238658
[23:00] <spiv> zooko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/pyopenssl/+bug/236190 shows a bunch of comments from your Trac
[23:01] <spiv> zooko: the same comments as shown on the other bug, oddly
[23:01] <zooko> Hm.
[23:02] <zooko> Well, it does make sense that Tahoe #402 is related to launchpad #236190.
[23:02] <zooko> Could launchpad be changed to post a hyperlink to itself instead of just a bug #?
[23:02] <spiv> Well, I guess it's not so odd, in that it's a remote bug watch on that one.
[23:02] <spiv> zooko: that would make sense, file a bug requesting it.
[23:04] <zooko> File a bug against which package or project?


[13:45] <ricotz> mamarley, are you going to look at 346.96?
[13:45] <mamarley> ricotz: Sure.
[13:45] <mamarley> Did you ever look to see if the packaging I did of 355.11 was acceptable?
[13:45] <ricotz> mamarley, alright, push it to your staging ppa, I will look at it then
[13:45] <mamarley> Sure.
[13:46] <mamarley> 355.11 is already in the staging PPA.
[13:54] <mamarley> ricotz: I know the packaging for Wily and Vivid is the same, but is there any difference between Trusty and Precise?
[13:56] <ricotz> mamarley, yes, huge ones!
[13:56] <mamarley> OK, thanks!
[13:56] <ricotz> better grab all packages
[13:57] <mamarley> OK, will do.  Still working on Wily right now.
[13:58] <ricotz> bbl
[14:07] <mamarley> I got it packaged for Wily, now I am testing to make sure the kernel module will compile before I upload it.
[14:15] <mamarley> It compiled successfully, so I will upload to my staging PPA now.
[14:47] <mamarley> ricotz: OK, everything is uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages now.  They aren't done building yet, but I am going to be gone for a few minutes.
[15:46] <mamarley> ricotz: They are compiled successfully now. :)
[15:49] <ricotz> mamarley, great, I will take a look later and copy them over if everything is fine
[16:21] <mamarley> ricotz: Is there any reason why nvidia-settings is still at 346 for Precise?  Is there a dependency missing or something?
[16:58] <mamarley> Oh wait, I see it.  Drivers above 346 were never packaged for Precise, so updating nvidia-settings to a higher major version would be pointless.
[17:13] <jcastro> ricotz: mamarley: at some point we should discuss how to get these into distro if appropriate


[04:06] <nuvolari> why oh why does this happen?
[04:06] <nuvolari> the only day I can sleep a bit later, but NOOO. have to be awake early :-/
[05:52] <Mezenir> early is awesome
[05:52] <Mezenir> have a nap later
[07:41] <Kilos> good morning superfly and others
[07:41] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[07:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:46] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[07:46] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[07:46]  * superfly 's brother-in-law got married yesterday
[07:47] <Kilos> again?
[07:47] <Banlam> wifes brother?
[07:47] <Kilos> or did he only become you bil yesterday
[07:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:48] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:48] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Banlam
[07:48] <Banlam> morning
[07:49] <Kilos> hey inetpro
[07:49] <inetpro> good morning everyone, and Kilos
[07:50] <Kilos> hehe
[07:51]  * Kilos goes to reboot
[07:52] <superfly> Banlam: yes, wife's brother
[07:52] <superfly> morning Banlam and inetpro
[07:52] <Banlam> that makes more sense than sister's husband
[07:52] <superfly> I don't have any sisters :-)
[07:53] <Banlam> now even more so
[07:53] <superfly> hehehe :-)
[07:53] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos he has been my brother-in-law for almost 5 years :-)
[07:53] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:59] <Kilos> hehe superfly i forgot you could have brothers in law from mrs_fly s side
[08:03] <superfly> Kilos: I have two of them
[08:04] <superfly> and two sister-in-laws too
[08:04] <Kilos> whew them yanks dont play hey
[08:04] <superfly> actually, I have 3 sister-in-laws, but not all on the same side of the family
[08:04] <Kilos> no wonder theres a fly epidemic
[08:05] <Kilos> aan getroude vliee
[08:06] <nuvolari> o/ mornings oom Kilos, superfly, Banlam, inetpro
[08:06] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[08:06] <nuvolari> congrats superfly
[08:09] <superfly> fanks nuvolari, though I didn't even do anything
[08:10] <Kilos> lol
[08:17] <kodez> greetings everyone
[08:18] <kodez> how can i write a program in python that can manage the screen log on or off through network using python programming language?
[08:24] <kodez> which book is relevant to study about controlling the screen. something like Ctrl + Alt + L but happening in the source code?
[08:28] <Kilos> hi kodez
[08:28] <Kilos> later guys
[08:29] <kodez> hi kilos
[08:42] <zeref> hmmmm
[08:43] <zeref> kodez: python socket programming
[08:43] <kodez> zeref: where can I study more about that?
[08:44] <kodez> zeref: i want to develop a program that manages kiosk terminals
[08:45] <zeref> i've not found a book about python sockets, but there are many tutorials online
[08:46] <zeref> kiosk terminals???
[08:46] <zeref> lemme google that
[08:49] <zeref> hmmm
[08:52] <kodez> zeref: ty
[08:53] <kodez> zeref: is writting a GUI going to solve blocking a person accessing the kiosk terminal without permission?
[08:56] <kodez> zeref: a conditional GUI that hides if the username and password is correct?
[08:57] <zeref> i'd first write a text based one, then if it works, add a GUI
[08:58] <kodez> zeref: i am failing to follow you.
[09:00] <zeref> for the program, first code it without a GUI, test it out, if it works then you can add a GUI
[09:01] <kodez> zeref: k
[09:02] <zeref> for the GUI are you planning to us wxwidgets ot qt?
[09:03] <zeref> *use *or
[09:13] <kbmonkey> happy day you geeks
[09:13] <kbmonkey> Maaz: coffee on
[09:13]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:16] <kodez> zeref: nothing specific at the moment
[09:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[14:43] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro lyk of daar n groot storm van jhb af na ons kom
[14:44] <Kilos> hi bk
[14:44] <Kilos> grr
[14:44] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[14:46] <Kilos> bbl
[15:02] <Kilos> This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed.
[15:02] <Kilos> ValueError('need more than 1 value to unpack',)
[15:02] <Kilos> xubuntu xchat sucks some
[15:03] <Kilos> the preferences alert options dont work\
[15:03] <Kilos> grrr
[15:18] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[15:19] <kbmonkey> shame your xchat is borked? :p
[15:20] <Kilos> no it works but cant get bloeps going on messages to me
[15:21] <Kilos> so gotta keep looking here if there any messages
[15:21] <Kilos> grrrr
[15:22] <kbmonkey> beeps?
[15:22] <kbmonkey> ha ha. yes my irssi doesnt bloep either
[15:22] <Kilos> and xubuntu comes with xchat as default
[15:22] <dLimit>  /set bell_beeps on
[15:22] <Kilos> and i run a command to try make iftop see ppp0 and whole pc goes slow
[15:22] <Kilos> grrr
[15:23] <Kilos> ya beeps
[15:23] <dLimit> then /set beep_msg_level msg notice hilight
[15:23] <kbmonkey> yes iftop is a admin tool, not meant for everyday use
[15:23] <Kilos> dLimit, must i do that here or in the terminal
[15:23] <kbmonkey> unless you troubleshoot a network
[15:23] <dLimit> No in irssi
[15:24] <dLimit> Oh wait its /set beep_msg_level msgs notice hilight
[15:24] <kbmonkey> ah, thanks dLimit :)
[15:25] <dLimit> And make sure kernel module pcspkr is loaded
[15:25] <kbmonkey> i wrote a script to monitor messages and print them to a conky output. but that got annoying.
[15:25] <dLimit> There is a way to play a sound through default alsa sound card but I forgot how that is done
[15:26] <kbmonkey> mpg123
[15:26] <kbmonkey> hehe
[15:26] <kbmonkey> or just play
[15:27] <Kilos> this xchat gives you the option to use alsa or pulse but neither work
[15:27] <Kilos> but pidgin works kiff
[15:28] <kbmonkey> doesnt each app have it's own volume level?
[15:28] <kbmonkey> in xubuntu i mean? if it uses pulse...?
[15:28] <kbmonkey> just guessing here, not too familiar with what xubuntu uses
[15:30] <Kilos> in settings preferences you get options to beep in alerts and flash icons but they dont work even though xchat looks the same
[15:33] <kbmonkey> those are window manager signals. perhaps xchat has gnome support but not kde
[15:33] <kbmonkey> does xchat come on xubuntu by default or is there another irc client it uses?
[15:34] <kbmonkey> i almost imagine there is a kde one..
[15:34] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ya default
[15:35] <Kilos> quassel is the kde one
[15:37] <Kilos> xchat and pidgin are default on xubuntu
[15:37] <kbmonkey> quassel will probably give you proper sound+notifications
[15:37] <Kilos> many many megs data to get quassel
[15:37] <Kilos> lotsa kde stuff
[15:40] <kbmonkey> but xubuntu has kde and quassel already??
[15:41] <kbmonkey> im confused Kilos :)
[15:41] <Kilos> no
[15:41] <Kilos> xfce
[15:41] <kbmonkey> ooooh
[15:41] <Kilos> you thinking of kubuntu
[15:41] <Kilos> you wanna borrow my email addy
[15:42] <kbmonkey> ah sharp man
[15:47] <Kilos> lol
[15:47]  * Kilos cackles. kbdomdonner
[15:49] <Kilos> or wwdomdonner
[15:51] <kbmonkey> borrow it for what now?
[15:51] <Kilos> for the domdonner bit
[15:51] <Kilos> quassel in xubuntu
[15:52] <kbmonkey> ha ha! jou duiwel
[15:52] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:52] <kbmonkey> ill be back after supper oom
[15:52] <Kilos> cool enjoy
[15:53] <Kilos> ill be back later too. take a break from xubuntu
[15:53] <dLimit> How long does it take for pinterest to send invites?
[15:54] <dLimit> I've requested it on all my addresses and still nothing
[15:57] <dLimit> I NEED to use it before it becomes cool
[16:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:10]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:15] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[16:15] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:22] <Kilos> yo geeks
[17:23] <Mezenir> you called ?
[17:23] <Kilos> hi Mezenir
[17:24] <Mezenir> how goes
[17:24] <Kilos> thought i was just rattling the cage
[17:24] <Mezenir> is there a reason it would be a bad idea to run an ntpd daemon ?
[17:24] <Kilos> ok ty and there?
[17:24] <Mezenir> on the one hand it seems nice to always have time synced
[17:24] <Mezenir> so yah
[17:24] <Kilos> what does it do first
[17:24] <Mezenir> pretty good thanks
[17:25] <Mezenir> it asks a central server for the current time
[17:25] <Kilos> what do you wanna sync time with
[17:25] <Mezenir> and sets your system to it
[17:25] <Kilos> ah
[17:25] <Kilos> you can sync time with server without installing anything
[17:26] <Kilos> somewhere in settings is something you activate and it does it automatically
[17:27] <Kilos> i member i disbled mine because it checks every 10 secs or so
[17:27] <kbmonkey> big storm brewing here
[17:27] <kbmonkey> looks like hail :/
[17:27] <Kilos> we had one earlier kbmonkey
[17:36] <Mezenir> mmm
[17:36] <Mezenir> maybe its installed by default in xubuntu
[17:36] <Mezenir> and you had to disable it
[17:36] <Kilos> no that was with maverick
[17:36] <Mezenir> or that
[17:36] <Kilos> what are you using
[17:36] <Mezenir> arch
[17:36] <Kilos> ah
[17:37] <Mezenir> learned a lot
[17:37] <Mezenir> but it takes me a while
[17:37] <Mezenir> lol
[17:38] <Kilos> it takes some of us even longer, dont worry
[17:38] <Mezenir> hehe
[17:47] <Kilos> bbl
[18:21] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:21]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:24] <Kilos> a:\install
[18:24] <Kilos> grrr
[18:24] <Kilos> what a:\ its a stiffy
[18:24] <Kilos> whats a stiffy
[18:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:25] <Kilos> known by geeks as a floppy
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:25] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:26] <Kilos> nuvolari, lewe jy darem nog
[18:38] <magespawn> Eveing all, i trust everyone had a good holiday
[18:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn was it a holiday
[18:39] <magespawn> Workers day
[18:39] <Banlam> workers day is 1st of may
[18:39] <Banlam> today was human rights
[18:39] <Kilos> so why werent you working then
[18:39] <Kilos> oh
[18:40] <magespawn> Sorry my mistake
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <magespawn> Not my right
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <Banlam>  are you not human?
[18:41] <magespawn> I am last time I checked
[18:42] <Kilos> did you have a good holiday magespawn
[18:42] <magespawn> Was refering to being wrong and not right about the holiday
[18:42] <magespawn> Yes did work around the house got a web and mail server running on my home pc
[18:43] <Kilos> human rights only count if you are stinking rich
[18:43] <Kilos> well done and what about the kids windows
[18:44] <magespawn> I am using a package called xampp which runs on windows
[18:49] <magespawn> Has apache, msyql and such to run a website plus email server ftp server
[18:49] <Banlam> does the second p stand for pop?
[18:49] <Kilos> good
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:50] <magespawn> Yes runs pop and imap
[18:50] <Banlam> cool
[18:50] <Banlam> do you have a fixed IP then?
[18:50] <Banlam> linked to a domain?
[18:51] <magespawn> No this is just for home at the moment for practice, i am looking into setting up a WUG
[18:51] <Banlam> ah, cool
[18:51] <Banlam> whereabout are you?
[18:51] <magespawn> Hluhluwe
[18:51] <Banlam> in the kruger park?
[18:52] <magespawn> No KZN
[18:52] <Kilos> banlam natal north coast
[18:52]  * Banlam tries to figure out why he's confused
[18:52] <Banlam> i know the name
[18:53] <Banlam> think family might have a place there
[18:53] <magespawn> Whobare the family?
[18:53] <Banlam> rennie
[18:54] <Banlam> don't know who owns the house though
[18:54] <magespawn> Where does she work?
[18:54] <Banlam> no, it's a holiday house
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:56]  * Banlam goes to google maps
[18:56] <magespawn> In the town? Or on one of the game reserves?
[18:57] <magespawn> Kilos has what has been happening with the linux studies?
[18:58] <Kilos> magespawn, i been fighting xubuntu and not looked at studies for a week
[18:58] <magespawn> Do you know if any one else has?
[18:59] <Kilos> xubuntu gives lotsa probs and does stupid things
[18:59] <Kilos> i dont think so
[18:59] <Kilos> everyone is too busy
[19:00] <magespawn> Though I was the only one slacking off, do not feel so bad now.
[19:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha i will get back to it as soon as xubuntu works
[19:00] <magespawn> What are you still fighting with?
[19:01] <Kilos> stupid things like no sound in xchat
[19:01] <Kilos> and it shows 2 homes and archives but they arent the same
[19:02] <Kilos> and synaptic doesnt see whats in archives copied there from cli
[19:02] <Kilos> so wants to download again what you already have
[19:03] <Kilos> also i use same commands that i used for maverick to get iftop to use ppp0 not eth0 and pc goes slow
[19:03] <Kilos> grrr
[19:04] <Kilos> if it wasnt for data use everytime i would have tried the alternate cd by now
[19:04] <magespawn> Sounds like a conflict, thats my experience when things slow up a lot
[19:05] <magespawn> Is there some near you with iso?
[19:05] <Kilos> i have the alt cd as well
[19:05] <Kilos> got them from the fly
[19:05] <magespawn> Just the updates then, which can be a bit
[19:07] <Kilos> updating is tween 20 and 40 meg if you copy all packages over properly
[19:07] <Kilos> otherwise its 2 to 300m
[19:08] <magespawn> What a pain.
[19:08] <Kilos> but its crazy things like if you look in home you should get a file .xchat2
[19:08] <Kilos> it isnt there
[19:08] <Kilos> yeah kinda frustrating
[19:09] <Kilos> must have been a bad install i think
[19:09] <magespawn> Something went wrong somewhere that us for certain.
[19:10] <magespawn> Is
[19:10] <Kilos> yeah i think so too. lucky i didnt upgrade my maverick
[19:10] <Kilos> so i got one good reliable os
[19:12] <magespawn> I see gc is still with us.
[19:12] <Kilos> ya i have coffee now and again to keep her company
[19:13] <Kilos> but she is very cheeky
[19:13] <magespawn> Assuming female are we?


 Thanks Chris
 Thanks!
[00:00] <arraybolt3> (Also, wow that font comes through looking so weird on irssi...)
 I gotchu
 i can't do anything about it here, but neither can IRC ops (on telegram)
 Ah, you, thanks lol (re @kc2bez: I gotchu)
 👍
[00:02] <arraybolt3> \o/
[00:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Lubuntu 22.04.1 screenshot up for review.
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 no windows (qterminal with neofetch etc)...  windows tend to convey detail to me (esp. neofetch which shows some stack details), glimpse of openbox (window dressing) theme around window, where I mostly see wallpaper in that shot.  Pros & Cons with any choice though.
[00:22] <arraybolt3> @guiverc: Good point. I can easily pop open some windows to go with.
 have another alternative (with windows) & see what others think here too...
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> How about this?
[00:26]  * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (631KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CBBHWRplolofnGzSoPVCzxiO/image.png >
[00:27] <arraybolt3> I tried to keep it clean-looking, ensure the jellyfish was in the center, and make it look somewhat like a workspace.
[00:27] <arraybolt3> (Er, ensure the jellyfish was still visible.)
[00:32] <guiverc> yep.. jellyfish is a key part of wallpaper so I can appreciate that... Would kcalc look better to the right of jellyfish, and do we want it showing (KDE app that uses Qt5 good, but also KF5) ... I'd have likely opted for Qt5 only app like featherpad though then what text do you show?  you could always grab release notes for 22.04.1 maybe.. Just my 2c (which maybe way off too!)
[00:38] <arraybolt3> That's not a bad idea. I'm running out of time for tonight, but I may be able to pick back up tomorrow night.


[00:02] <valorie> nice!
[00:09] <ahoneybun_> yep
[00:13]  * ahoneybun_ needs a cool hostname for his macbook
[00:18] <valorie> Mac the Knife
[00:19] <valorie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qrjtr_uFac
[00:21] <ahoneybun_> http://vizzzion.org/blog/2014/02/next-means-focus-on-the-core/
[00:22] <ahoneybun_> valorie, MactheKnife?
[00:22] <valorie> I sang that song back in high school pop choir; still love it
[00:23]  * ahoneybun_ goes with KuBook
[00:23] <valorie> isn't that new K with all the color behind it *gorgeous*!?
[00:23] <ahoneybun_> pretty nice
[00:23] <valorie> I'm really happy about the new push by the design/art folks
[00:24] <valorie> perfect timing
[00:24] <ahoneybun_> yea that is something that KDE really needs
[00:24] <valorie> I think Nuno is a genius, and stepped down just in time
[00:24] <ahoneybun_> I like what I am reading about in the "beyond devices" section of that article
[01:11]  * ahoneybun_ for some reason fails to install kubuntu but can install ubuntu
[08:36] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:38] <jussi> hiya Riddell
[08:38] <jussi> I think I should steal myself a shirt :P
[09:29] <agateau> I can has review? https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-cropped-greeter-buttons/+merge/208628
[09:33] <xnox> agateau: does that work with changing languages on the fly? (button is resized / redrawn?!)
[09:33] <agateau> xnox: it should
[09:36] <xnox> agateau: i agree that it should =) above meant as a question, whether you tested it and it worked or not =))))
[09:37] <agateau> xnox: heh. I believe I tested it, but I don't remember since it was last week and my brain fails me on such info.
[09:38] <agateau> xnox: I can test it if you are willing to review it (but isn't it the point of the review to try corner cases?)
[09:38] <apachelogger> we do have a test case for installation with localization, so we'd notice for beta2 I guess ^^
[09:39] <xnox> agateau: well, that's the only corner case i can come up with, and xml/code looks valid =) and i don't feel like pulling a kde image to test i18n =))))))
[09:39] <xnox> agateau: otherwise, i'd merge it.
[09:39] <apachelogger> xnox: btw, do you know what tech is used to extra the menu data for app-install-data? it used to be archive-crawler, but that launchpad project has disappeared apparently
[09:40] <xnox> apachelogger: there is a magic branch owned by ~mvo that does it, i think.
[09:40] <apachelogger> going to browse mvo's branches then, thx ^^
[09:41] <apachelogger> xnox, agateau: just merge, I'll put down a card to make sure someone tests it
[09:43] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/0ls4KLRB
[10:42] <soee> so 4.12.3 is avaialble for Trusty already ? :)
[10:46] <Riddell> soee: in proposed yes
[10:46] <soee> hmm
[10:46] <Riddell> but blocked by strigi
[10:46] <soee> im trying to avoid proposed
[10:47] <Riddell> which is also bug 1281340 in the sponsors queue
[10:47] <Riddell> soee: live on the edge!
[10:47] <soee> i did ;D and finished with fresh installation 2 weeks ago :)
[10:47] <soee> but are we talking about  kubuntu or ubuntu proposed
[10:47] <soee> is there difference ?
[10:48] <Riddell> no, it's all the same archive
[10:48] <soee> ok, thank you
[10:49] <soee> Riddell: and when do you plan to release kde 5 alphas for tests ?
[10:53] <Riddell> soee: there's no such thing as kde 5 (a shame, missed branding opportunity really) but there is kde frameworks 5 up now in kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[10:54] <soee> Riddell: so how it will be called ? just 4.13 ?
[11:00] <Riddell> soee: the next KDE SC will be 4.13
[11:01] <Riddell> the next plasma will be Plasma Next and uses KF5 libraries, it should be out next week
[11:01] <Riddell> other applications will be ported to KF5 as they are able
[11:07] <soee> and Trusty will be released with latest 4.12 ?
[11:09] <apachelogger> soee: 4.13
[11:09] <apachelogger> 4.13 has nothing to do with frameworks 5
[11:12] <soee> uhm im a bit confused ;)
[11:15] <lordievader> How is the iso size now Krita and Kexi are removed? Hope it is no longer oversized.
[11:23] <Riddell> have they been removed?
[11:24] <Riddell> so they have
[11:24] <Riddell> but amd64 still oversized
[11:24] <Riddell> amd64 still has it on
[11:24] <Riddell> ah -meta only just uploaded
[11:25] <Riddell> lordievader: need to wait until tomorrow to find out
[11:25] <lordievader> Ah I see, keeping my fingers crossed.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:58] <sgclark> Riddell: kservice is ready
[11:58] <Riddell> morning sgclark :)
[11:59] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :)
[12:00] <Riddell> anyone have great ideas on fixing this build? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/0.7.8-1ubuntu1/+build/5619309
[12:00] <sgclark> Riddell: I did more studying on the symbols with the encouragement of shadeslayer, I think I have it figured out now, so doing it the right way now.
[12:00] <Riddell> relevant code hasn't changed since it built in 0.7.7
[12:01] <Riddell> sgclark: lovely
[12:02] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like solid needs another fix, new file since I changed the build system
[12:03] <sgclark> ok
[12:09] <sgclark> Riddell: this looks like that error on strigi? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/755
[12:18] <Riddell> sgclark: interesting, good stuff!
[12:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger did you upload libkomparediff and kwalletmanager?
[12:25] <apachelogger> I did not
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is tomahawk fixed yet btw?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have a fix, I'll upload it today
[12:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: um not that I know of, should I have?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah I left you a message yesterday :P
[12:26] <apachelogger> quassel says shadeslayer poked about it yesterday evening
[12:26] <apachelogger> alas, he did not say where to find the dsc
[12:27] <shadeslayer> just run kubuntu-archive-upload
[12:27] <shadeslayer> with the necessary parameters
[12:27] <sgclark> Riddell: solid ready
[12:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[12:35] <apachelogger> pong
[12:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you have time, can you help me with kconf debugging
[12:38] <apachelogger> like I know more about it ^^
[12:38] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is your latest stuff in your branch or did you not change anything yet?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they're not in the branch, but you have to pass the Favorites group and FavoriteURLs Key
[12:40] <apachelogger> huh?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> then it reads the right file
[12:40] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[12:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: moment
[12:42] <Riddell> upstream want to change to oxygen by default, that'll finally give us the dilemma of ubuntu or oxygen fonts
[12:43] <sgclark> Riddell: kiconthemes ready
[12:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: changes pushed to bzr
[12:44] <Riddell> hmm new akonadi out
[12:53] <apachelogger> sorry, phone just went a bit crazy
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, what seems to be the problem?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: doesn't write new value to file
[12:54] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7038362/
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I've tried that too
[12:55] <apachelogger> lemme test dat
[12:57] <apachelogger> :o
[12:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: works for me?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> it does? :O
[12:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've uploaded strigi wiht a fix for ppc64el so maybe kde will be able to transition when that's in
[12:58] <shadeslayer> +Overwrite?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you push your upd file, so that we can close the bug?
[13:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how did that not work for you? Oo
[13:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i really don't know, this was on a clean upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[13:01] <apachelogger> why don't you simply fumble your kickoffrc into shape such that it contains kopete and rekonq? :O
[13:02] <apachelogger> (on a complete related note , we technically need an update script for plasma-netbook....)
[13:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Because I wanted to test the upgrader?
[13:02] <apachelogger> no, you wanted to fix the update script, no? :P
[13:05] <shadeslayer> both
[13:05] <apachelogger> that worked out well :P
[13:06]  * apachelogger gets some tea
[13:06] <shadeslayer> it was only after I kicked off the update that I realized that I can also test the latter
[13:07] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[13:13] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/0da0eVuH
[13:14] <apachelogger> latest numbers: 28 todo, 14 doing, 0 review, 67 done, 17 postponed, 11 abandoned
[13:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: about that, how do you find those numbers ? :P
[13:14] <apachelogger> no clue, it displays it for me :P
[13:15] <apachelogger> might be a greasemonkey script
[13:15] <shadeslayer> where? :D
[13:15] <apachelogger> I have no clue
[13:15] <apachelogger> I always install stuff and then I see more than other people xD
[13:15] <apachelogger> <- perfect target for malware
[13:15] <shadeslayer> no, where does it show for you? xD
[13:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on the boards
[13:16] <apachelogger> "Oxygen as default font" oh my
[13:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's the output of dpkg-query -W --showformat='${binary:Package};${Version};${Status}\n' | grep -v deinstall | grep -v "install ok installed"
[13:25] <apachelogger> like for your system
[13:26] <shadeslayer> nothing
[13:26] <shadeslayer> le empty
[13:26] <apachelogger> anyone else around?
[13:26] <apachelogger> CHANNELPING
[13:28] <apachelogger> I really thought there was another value
[13:30] <apachelogger> install ok config-files
[13:30] <apachelogger> no clue what it means ^^
[13:34] <apachelogger> man, the build queues -.-
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ENOCSS?
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm shuffling everything about to tidy it, still working on it
[13:35] <shadeslayer> okie
[13:49] <apachelogger> so
[13:49] <apachelogger> I think we may want to introduce some fake desktop files to get stuff to show up in discover
[13:49] <Riddell> yes
[13:50] <Riddell> like kde sdk?
[13:50] <apachelogger> getting a blanket solution for kcms and plasmoids will require some serious python haxxoring and collaboration
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: already done, colord-kcm comes to mind
[13:50] <apachelogger> I'd like to boot if off the CD for lack of widespread use
[13:50] <apachelogger> s/CD/ISO/
[13:50] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "I'd like to boot if off the ISO for lack of widespread use"
[13:51] <apachelogger> grub2 kcm might be another thing
[13:52] <apachelogger> and perhaps the plasmoid-addons (though I think those are on the ISO anyway)
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: strigi is in!
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde4libs is in!
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yay
[14:18] <sgclark> Riddell: this is weird, knotifications has a bunch of t3 depends now, did they move it to t3 from t2?
[14:25] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah looks like they did from http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List
[14:27] <sgclark> ahh ok
[14:41] <Riddell> awooga, qt 5.2 appearing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdoc-opensource-src
[14:43] <sgclark> Riddell: knotifications ready
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.3_trusty.html working now
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cool
[14:44] <Riddell> sgclark: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.97.0_trusty.html working again
[14:44] <shadeslayer> though was not required :D
[14:47] <ronnoc> Hi all. I'm sure it's not a high priority at the moment with everything going on regarding 14.04 and KDE F5, but thoughts on bug 1284745?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: saucy and trusty have 4.3.1
[14:47] <shadeslayer> !info ktorrent trusty
[14:49] <Riddell> ronnoc: ↑
[14:49] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: as per bug report, I was thinking (hoping) for a backport to 12.04 - not useable in current state :)
[14:49] <Riddell> bug report is for 12.04
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ronnoc: maybe via kubuntu-backports
[14:51] <Riddell> ronnoc, shadeslayer: I'll look at it
[14:52] <ronnoc> shadeslayer: that would be acceptable. I think someone installing our LTS would want a working torrent app if it's included by default :)
[14:52] <ronnoc> Riddell: Thx!
[14:52] <sgclark> Riddell: not sure what is going on with red on kconfigwidgets, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/5658277 show success and the manpage in in list-missing is listed in not-installed file
[14:52] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:52] <shadeslayer> onwards :)
[14:55] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm
[14:56] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't think the report takes into consideration not-installed
[14:57] <Riddell> which is a bit of a failing if so
[14:57] <sgclark> ok, moving on then :)
[15:01] <Quintasan> Tis' be queer
[15:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We have no 0.7 for raring
[15:02] <Quintasan> I'm talking about telepathy-kde
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: raring be unsupported
[15:04] <Quintasan> And quantal and saucy arE?
[15:04] <Riddell> supported but not actively updated with backports
[15:04] <Riddell> saucy and precise are
[15:04] <Quintasan> derp
[15:04] <Quintasan> I though raring is LTS
[15:04] <Quintasan> silly Quintasan
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: plz be testing saucy ktp backports
[15:04] <shadeslayer> in staging
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or Riddell ^^
[15:05] <Quintasan> Certainly, I'm planning to reinstall Kubuntu on muh laptops once trusty comes out so I might as well as turn it into testing grounds
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have that fancy thing that allows you to test slideshows
[15:07]  * apachelogger blogs http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/kubuntu-testing-and-you/
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so do you?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't know what it's called
[15:08] <shadeslayer> the ubiquity slideshows I mean
[15:08]  * Quintasan reads
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ls
[15:08] <shadeslayer> whut?
[15:08] <apachelogger>  ~/src/bzr/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu  ls *kubuntu*
[15:08] <apachelogger> kubuntu-slideshow.py
[15:08] <apachelogger> u so noob
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:09] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:13] <dougl> my plymouth splash does not work on my 14.04 when I test it virtually it works fine and 13.10 on same machine works fine too - any suggestions?
[15:14] <apachelogger> define: does not work
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you call it :S
[15:17] <shadeslayer> I keep getting ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'Slideshow'
[15:18] <apachelogger> cannot reproduce
[15:18] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/pEPAVBz.png
[15:19] <shadeslayer> huh works now
[15:20] <dougl> apachelogger, sorry when I test I see the animation full screen and when I boot I see some ugly default kubutu 14.04 with 4 dots underneath
[15:21] <dougl> brb
[15:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/JSy7Q7L.png
[15:22] <shadeslayer> better?
[15:22] <apachelogger> maybe
[15:22] <apachelogger> I dunno
[15:22] <apachelogger> you see the slides
[15:22] <apachelogger> if it looks as big as the others then it's perfect :P
[15:23] <shadeslayer> yeah looks fine
[15:23] <dougl> apachelogger, says kubuntu 14.04 with 4 blue dots underneath
[15:24] <apachelogger> dougl: your graphics driver does not support kernel mode setting, so it cannot use the fancy splash version
[15:24] <apachelogger> nothing we can do about that
[15:24] <apachelogger> there are some workarounds to force mode setting regardless which might work, or might not work for you, google should help
[15:25] <dougl> works like a charm in 13.10 and yesterday in 14.04 - thanks
[15:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, changing a language takes way too much time
[15:50] <shadeslayer> it's been going on for 25 minutes now
[15:50] <genii> What, there's a fancy splash version?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> genii: yeah :D
[15:52] <shadeslayer> genii: kubuntu logo with a glow that fade's in / out
[15:54] <genii> shadeslayer: I used to have that in 13.04 but for some reason it stopped after I upgraded to 13.10 ( and now 14.04). I figured it was just something with plymouth
[15:55] <genii> ( and got used to watching the dots blink by.... )
[15:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps your intartubes is slow
[15:56] <apachelogger> or qapt is broken
[15:56] <apachelogger> it should take exactly as long as it takes to download stuffs
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, it's stuck on the thing where it says "Applying changery"
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: screenshot?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/LBV4dPj.png
[15:57] <apachelogger> that's not mine
[15:57] <apachelogger> that's upstreams thing
[15:57] <apachelogger> might be that kbuildsycoca crapped out or something, I am not exactly sure what the dialog does
[15:57] <shadeslayer> doesn't matter, broken http://i.imgur.com/nn7ypbB.png
[15:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does matter, because I do not know how to debug this :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> perhaps gdb attach to systemsettings and try to see if there is a thread lingering
[15:58] <apachelogger> though I doubt it
[15:58] <apachelogger> or check your startkdelog for possible output
[16:00] <Riddell> akonadi 1.11.80 going up, first part of 4.13
[16:00] <shadeslayer> what am I supposed to be looking for?
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and can you try and reproduce it on your machine?
[16:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot
[16:09] <apachelogger> I do recall this happening since kde3 though
[16:09] <apachelogger> completely randomly the reload dialog will get stuck
[16:10] <apachelogger> doesn't happen all this often either
[16:10] <apachelogger> have seen it like twice ever
[16:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libkomparediff2 still not updated
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where do I find it?
[16:25]  * Riddell uploads a new kcm-touchpad snapshot to fix kde bug 331285
[16:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: ----> cherrypick <----
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: one just uses kubuntu-archive-upload :)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fyi language kcm sets language for dpkg but then forgets to unset it
[16:29] <apachelogger> hm?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: change language to catalan -> log out -> log in -> use apt/dpkg -> change language to english -> log out -> log in  ->  use apt -> apt still outputs thingums in Catalan
[16:31] <apachelogger> oh la la
[16:31] <apachelogger> check yer .kde/env/setlanguage.sh
[16:31] <apachelogger> also file a bug
[16:31] <apachelogger> also I was under the impression that sometimes setlanguage is not written
[16:31] <apachelogger> I could not actively reproduce it though
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:
[16:32] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7039332/
[16:32] <apachelogger> might be that I guess
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get debug logs and report bug plz
[16:32] <shadeslayer> what do you want?
[16:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libkomparediff2_4.12.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes uploaded
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thx
[16:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get debug logs and report bug plz
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, what debug logs do you want :P
[16:33] <apachelogger> kdebug debug logs
[16:33] <soee> i see updates are available now :)
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: too unspecific
[16:34] <apachelogger> za kitten
[16:34] <apachelogger> kdebugdialog -> activate all
[16:35] <apachelogger> systemsettings -> regional settings -> language -> change language, change language back, change language, change language back....
[16:35] <apachelogger> get stdout and stderr of systemsettings
[16:35] <apachelogger> save to file
[16:35] <apachelogger> report bug
[16:35] <apachelogger> attach saved file to bug
[16:35] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:35] <apachelogger> assign bug to ~apachelogger
[16:35] <shadeslayer> will do
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any clue where one can find the dpkg exit codes?
[16:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in $?
[16:37] <apachelogger> dunno, need context
[16:37] <shadeslayer> no, all possible dpkg exit codes
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apparently qaptworker calls dpkg manually internally
[16:38] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7039369
[16:38] <apachelogger> why are you looking into that?
[16:38] <apachelogger> it's like the least high profile bug ever
[16:39] <apachelogger> and the problem isn't dpkg, see my comment
[16:39] <apachelogger> it's qapt
[16:39] <shadeslayer> really? I think it's quite important when debs don't install ? :S
[16:39] <apachelogger> you didn't even manage to confirm the bug until i told you how to
[16:40] <apachelogger> besides, the solution is non-trivial
[16:40] <apachelogger> and we'd not want to mess with it past FF
[16:40] <shadeslayer> oh :S
[16:41] <apachelogger> essentially the client application would have to pass the locale to the worker, via dbus
[16:41] <apachelogger> and that then raises the question what happens when more than one client is on the worker
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got any TODO's for me then
[16:43] <apachelogger> trello?
[16:44] <apachelogger> on the note of trello
[16:44] <apachelogger> todo for trello about trello on trello: poke people to trello along their cards
[16:44] <apachelogger> there's cards in doing that have been there for like a month
[16:45] <shadeslayer> will do pokery
[16:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rm -f /tmp/dump.tar.xz <- that should not happen, the dump name should be dependent on whatever mktmp created > Why?
[16:55] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see knotifications was ready a bit back? or did it fail again?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mind uploading kwalletmanager? so that Riddell can approve from source new then
[17:00] <sgclark> shadeslayer: mind reviewing knotifications? I think Riddell stepped away :)
[17:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:02] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer, I must have missed your ping sgclark
[17:02] <shadeslayer> sgclark: looks fine to me
[17:02] <sgclark> np :) bunch of these only nneed a retry on build, just have to be done in order due to depends
[17:03] <shadeslayer> sgclark: assuming it was just the last commit
[17:03] <sgclark> needs push then, I can't do that :)
[17:06] <Peace-> :) dolphin asks me to install stuff but it fails on 14.04 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/05/plasma-desktopOO2341.png
[17:07] <Peace-> => http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/05/plasma-desktopZe2341.png
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind uploading http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/tomahawk_0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: onto it
[17:13] <shadeslayer> cheers
[17:13] <Riddell> "kubuntu_fix_plugin_install.patch" does not comply to policy!
[17:13] <Riddell> should be kubuntu_fix-plugin-install.patch :)
[17:14] <Riddell> "Forwarded: not-needed"  I always think that should have an explanation
[17:15] <shadeslayer> sigh
[17:16] <sgclark> Riddell: or shadeslayer mind uploading knotifications, it is holding up progress
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded , plz dget again
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pardon? what's uploaded? what should I dget?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/tomahawk_0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu2.dsc
[17:23] <shadeslayer> fixed as per your suggestions
[17:25] <Riddell> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field
[17:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll fix that
[17:25] <Riddell> oh no it's not needed
[17:25] <sgclark> Riddell: kio is ready, minor fix to dev package
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you onto knotifications or shall I?
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tomahawk uploaded!
[17:26] <shadeslayer> go ahead, I have to fix some other stuff :)
[17:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: like the tomahawk build failures? :)
[17:32] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:32] <shadeslayer> and meh, ppc64el
[17:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kwallet-framework ready
[17:35] <sgclark> I am at a standstill until knotifications, kio, and kwallet build :) I will be back in a few!
[17:39] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[18:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: update werks.
[19:11] <soee> Peace-: you are using gstreamer backend ?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: mind copying over the packages?
[19:22] <Quintasan> To PPA?
[19:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: urgh, kubuntu-updates or backports?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> backports
[19:23]  * Quintasan can't never remember
[19:26] <Peace-> soee: yep
[19:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Done.
[19:30] <shadeslayer> cheers
[19:35] <sgclark> Riddell: did you upload kawallet-framework as well? still showing same failed log
[20:24] <vgezer> apachelogger: hi. I have been discussing about localizaiton of .desktop files "Install Kubuntu" and "Kubuntu Documentation" on desktop after fresh installation as you could remember. (https://trello.com/c/Tym1s4IP/4-l10n-review-2). Why did you guys decide not to include it? Is it due to deadlines?
[20:34] <soee> Peace-: switch to VLC and should work
[20:34] <soee> i had the same message in Minitube
[20:34] <soee> couldnt sove this :/
[20:34] <soee> after switch to VLC backend all worsk fine
[20:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1077196
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1281036
[20:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: please follow up
[20:52] <Quintasan> ScottK: FYI, I will sign your key if I manage to tidy up mine first.
[20:53] <Quintasan> I'm trying to get rid of unused UIDs in mine and GNUPG docs says it's better to revoke uids instead of deleting them since keyservers won't process the deletion.
[20:53] <Quintasan> Currently I can't see any gpg server saying my uids are revoked.
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: Have you seen something like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1285729
[20:54] <shadeslayer> I left my iPod back home
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: did you do a source copy of the packages -.-
[20:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: not sure
[20:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you did :(
[20:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How is that bad?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: cuz now people will get common internals before the rest of the stack
[20:58]  * Quintasan recalls Launchpad rebuilding the packages if one copies them
[20:58] <Quintasan> aaah
[20:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you can do binary copies
[20:58] <Quintasan> It doesn't rebulid them?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> nope
[20:58] <Quintasan> Like. Uh.
[20:59] <Quintasan> Why'd you do that. I can copy stuff from Trusty to Saucy or even earlier.
[20:59] <Quintasan> This is potentially broken
[20:59] <shadeslayer> sure
[20:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: prevents situation that I outlined earlier
[20:59] <Quintasan> Hmm, my bad anyways.
[20:59] <shadeslayer> and since PPA's don't have a -proposed pocket ...
[20:59] <Quintasan> Not going to argue about that.
[21:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'll send the grumpy users your way :P
[21:00] <Quintasan> Okay.
[21:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: Okay, seems like the servers finally registered my changes, you probably want to see them. If that breaks the chain of trust then I'm probably better off not signing your key.
[21:09] <ScottK> Quintasan: Your call.
[21:10] <Quintasan> I'm not an expert on this whole stuff but it looks like I rekoved my signature on the uid so theoretically that should not break it.
[21:14] <Quintasan> Christ this is too complicated
[21:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: The question is if you trust my signed mail enough to sign the new key based on it.
[21:21] <ScottK> Your key status shouldn't matter.  You just sign it with your current key if you chose to.
[21:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: No problems on my end. I'll just get my key sorted out first and sign yours.
[21:23] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: thatis a packaging isuse: we depend on ffmpeg, that should be automatically dragged (or its replacement libav) when the user installs Amarok
[21:23] <Mamarok> only reported on Debian and its spinoffs, as they don't use ffmpeg but libav instead IIRC
[21:23] <shadeslayer> mhm
[21:24] <Mamarok> since that is in our readme, the packagers should package accordingly if the distro doesn't use ffmpeg
[21:24] <Mamarok> so definitely not an upstream isuse
[21:24] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: gotcha
[21:24] <Mamarok> ususe*
[21:24] <Mamarok> you are welcome :)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> thx
[21:25]  * shadeslayer gets cracking on a fix
[21:25] <shadeslayer> Amarok's bug entries on Launchpad are just a tiny bit cleaner now :P
[21:27] <Mamarok> why are they actually reported on Launchpad? Shouldn't those go upstream by default?
[21:27] <Mamarok> except this one, of course :)
[21:28] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: because, humans
[21:29] <Mamarok> true, that, especially when it comes to bug reports :)
[21:31] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: how does one solve this :P
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: transcoding libs required by amarok are in multiverse
[21:31] <Mamarok> install libav?
[21:32] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: multiverse
[21:32] <Mamarok> that should be in universe, no?
[21:32] <shadeslayer> !info libfaac0
[21:32] <Mamarok> what about ffmpeg?
[21:33] <shadeslayer> not sure we have those
[21:34] <Mamarok> indeed, but it is not libaac you need but libav
[21:35] <shadeslayer> though isn't libaac something that would required at runtime to transcode things?
[21:36] <Mamarok> I don't think we transcode to that
[21:36] <shadeslayer> readme mentions it :P
[21:36] <Mamarok> we transcode mp3, ogg and flac AFAIK
[21:37] <shadeslayer> I reckon we can ship libavbin0
[21:37] <Mamarok> hm, I didn't even check readme right now, stated from memory
[21:37] <Mamarok> which is treacherous :)
[21:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: Would you like your signature to be sent to all of your emails or the first one?
[21:52] <ScottK> Quintasan: All.
[21:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: done.
[21:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is it needed in build-deps or just at runtime?
[21:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: runtime
[21:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Make it suggests in the package and then add the needed package to kubuntu-restricted-extras (if we still have such a thing)
[21:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so the libs I can figure out from the readme are : libvorbisenc2 libvorbis0a libavbin0 ( probably) libmp3lame
[21:54] <Mamarok> isn't lame only needed for writing to CDs?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: just following the README :D
[21:55] <Mamarok> I know, just surprised that we would need lame
[21:57] <shadeslayer> I also see something for wma, but can
[21:57] <shadeslayer> *can't find a package for that
[22:37] <Riddell> how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.8
[22:45]  * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.8
[22:45] <Quintasan> Great.
[22:46] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: can has p-n meeting this weekend?
[22:47] <yofel> you may want to invite apachelogger as he's been doing most of the kf5 stuff
[22:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: feel invited
[22:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. debian bug 729203 for your entertainment
[22:47] <Quintasan> what
[22:48] <Quintasan> is that
[22:48] <yofel> in case you didn't see it yet
[22:49] <Quintasan> >The only way to prevent endless discussions would be if you close this
[22:49] <Quintasan> RFP and instead send a bug to the Debian Technical Committee [1] for a
[22:49] <Quintasan> technical decision whether jessie should ship with libav or ffmpeg.
[22:49] <Quintasan> OH MY GOD
[22:49] <Quintasan> I like can see it happening.
[22:49] <Quintasan> Tell me it did
[22:50] <yofel> not sure what'll happen, I think the security team was against it at some point
[22:50] <yofel> they don't want to maintain 2 copies of (not really) the same thing
[22:51] <Quintasan> and users don't want inferior software
[22:52] <yofel> the plan so far is to at least get the binaries back so 'ffmpeg' etc. work again - statically linked maybe or whatever
[22:55] <Quintasan> brb
[22:58] <Quintasan> yofel: Truth be told I didn't know Debian did sth like this and I've been thinking ffmpeg is really deprecated.
[22:59] <yofel> heh, it's confusing really :(
[23:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: Thanks.  Accepted and uploaded to the keyserver.
[23:02] <Quintasan> yofel: It sucks to be honest.
[23:02] <ScottK> yofel: When libav was forked from ffmpeg, the Debian maintainer was one of the proponents of the fork, so it's no surprise that's the one we have.
[23:03] <yofel> right
[23:04] <Quintasan> >Also Debian's very own ABI checking program icheck has some bugs, ironically, on testing FFmpeg
[23:04] <Quintasan> Comedy level - libav.
[23:04] <Quintasan> ScottK: Why did the split actually happen?
[23:05] <ScottK> The story as I heard if (from the libav side) was that the lead ffmpeg guy was blocking stuff going in, so they finally said "screw it, we'll fork".
[23:05] <ScottK> Of course, as soon as they announced the fork, he started grabbing patches from the fork.
[23:06] <ScottK> But they weren't exactly anxious to work with the guy anymore.
[23:06] <Quintasan> oh wow.
[23:06] <ScottK> AIUI, anyway
[23:15] <Riddell> ScottK: "The current PyQt5, PyQt4, QScintilla and SIP snapshots are all release candidates. The final releases will be in about a week. In the meantime any testing would be greatly appreciated."
[23:15] <Riddell> says pyqt man on the pyqt list
[23:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I saw that.
[23:15] <ScottK> First let's get Qt5 5.2 landed with pyqt5.2 updated.
[23:47]  * ahoneybun installs kubuntu-desktop package in Ubuntu
[23:54] <valorie> weeee, I haz 4.12.3
[23:54] <valorie> apachelogger: your "you need more language stuffs" looks and works great
[23:54] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:58]  * ahoneybun knows nothing of this


[00:27] <thatcoderkid> hello! I have an issue with my snap code: https://github.com/Thekiddiejsandpython/hello-python-snap.git
[00:27] <thatcoderkid> I get an error: ValueError: local source (../src"..., 53ValueError: local source (../src) is not a directory
[00:37] <thatcoderkid> Can I please have some help?
[09:47] <m4sk1n_> popey: can you review my task? :p
[10:57] <shailesh> hi elopio
[10:58] <shailesh> hi kyrofa
[10:58] <shailesh> hi sergiusens
[10:59] <popey> m4sk1n_: heya. I am afk today. Will have a look later if nobody else gets to it before me
[11:05] <m4sk1n_> ok
[11:06] <m4sk1n_> flexiondotorg: ping :)
[14:48] <daniellimws> hi, curious how is it possible for one to unregister a name from the snap store
[14:49] <daniellimws> in the case where one decides to change the name or decided that it is no longer useful
[15:19] <elopio> daniellimws: you can't unregister. The names can be transferred, and you can close all the channels.
[15:21] <daniellimws> how can that be done?
[15:23] <daniellimws> more specifically I tried to create a snap for this repo https://github.com/dj3500/hightail/pull/105
[15:23] <daniellimws> how can I transfer the name to that user instead
[15:51] <kyrofa> daniellimws, you just need to talk to the store folks and request they transfer the name to that user's account
[15:52] <kyrofa> (so make sure they have one)
[16:51] <deniskamazur> Hi, have some questions about this task - https://community.ubuntu.com/t/adding-terminal-notifications-for-completed-commands-to-the-default-desktop/212?
[16:52] <deniskamazur>  Mazur Denis December 6, 2017 at 19:47 (MSK) Hi, have some question about this task  Can I use any language for this task? Where should I PR my changes or can I create a separate project? Should It work for all kinds of terminals?
[17:00] <elopio> deniskamazur: you can leave your questions there in the forum. I think didrocks is the mentor for that one, and he's not here but he will get notified when you reply there.
[17:02] <deniskamazur> alright, thanks
[22:20] <m4sk1n_> flexiondotorg: popey: ping
[22:25] <flexiondotorg> m4sk1n_: Just got home from a conference in London. We'll take a look in the morning ☺


[13:22] <sbalneav> mhall119: Changes user settings
[13:23] <sbalneav> It creates a zip file of gconf settings & files
[13:35] <stgraber> morning sbalneav !
[13:47] <sbalneav> Morning stgraber
[13:49] <stgraber> sbalneav: back home or still somewhere in the US ?
[13:51] <sbalneav> Sitting here in McQuillan's office.  I head to the airport at 11:15
[13:52] <sbalneav> in 'bout an hour and 15 minutes.
[13:52] <sbalneav> Just doing some more cleanup on the pam_libssh module.
[13:53] <mhall119> sbalneav: so it just over-writes the user's gconf files?
[13:53] <mhall119> rather than adding a new read-only source location
[13:54] <mhall119> the way I was planning on doing Qimo was to add a gdm script that would add a new set of default configs between the user's settings and the default settings
[13:55] <mhall119> you could do the same, adding read-only configs before the user's settings
[13:55] <sbalneav> mhall119: for the mandatory settings it sets up a new directory.
[13:55] <mhall119> in the user's folder, or somewhere shared?
[13:56] <sbalneav> Users' folder
[13:56] <mhall119> does sabayon do per-user settings, or do you define a "profile" once and assign it to multiple users or groups
[13:57] <sbalneav> Sabayon can do both.
[13:57] <mhall119> ok
[13:57] <mhall119> I'll have to play with it some i guess
[17:19] <highvoltage> mhall119: hmm, my twidenash doesn't display. All I did was include the css, and link to the javascript in a block doing <script src="http://edubuntu.org/scripts/twidenash.js?edubuntu"></script>
[17:19] <highvoltage> mhall119: was there anything else I should've done
[17:28] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'll check it in a minute, gotta pickup the kids from school
[17:34] <highvoltage> mhall119: k
[18:42] <mhall119> highvoltage: do you have that code hosted somewhere I can check it?
[18:42] <highvoltage> mhall119: hmm, only admin users can see it at the moment, I'll just throw it out in an html file somewhere... one moment...
[18:44] <mhall119> highvoltage: are you seeing any error messages?
[18:44] <highvoltage> mhall119: so I guess this is thie simplest form it should work as? http://edubuntu.org/scripts/microblogs.html
[18:44] <mhall119> I think it needs a parent-block
[18:49] <highvoltage> hmm, it works when I run it from the loco team site, I'll just grab that script then :)
[18:51] <mhall119> that one will also check locoteams.status.net
[18:52] <highvoltage> hmm, in this case it seems like that's the only one it's checking
[19:14] <binyam_> is there any way to make Qcad open AutoCAD files
[19:17] <mhall119> highvoltage: the newest lp:twidenash should work for you
[19:18] <mhall119> rev 4
[19:24] <binyam_> is there any way to make Qcad open AutoCAD dwg files
[19:24] <mhall119> binyam_: don't know, sorry
[19:58] <jbicha> have you guys heard of http://www.userful.com/ ? Alberta company selling Edubuntu thin client stuff?
[19:59] <highvoltage> jbicha: yep, they're stuff was even packaged at one point
[20:00] <highvoltage> (although not in main/universe, obviously)
[20:02] <jbicha> so they're sort of competing with your company?
[20:02] <highvoltage> not that I know of :)
[20:02] <highvoltage> seems to be aiming for a slightly different market
[20:03] <jbicha> what do you mean?
[20:04] <highvoltage> jbicha: userful seems more for someone who actually just wants to implement a few computers. revolution linux does more work on the type of stuff that scales very big, like large (3000-5000 machine) LTSP deployments with LTSP cluster
[20:05] <jbicha> ooh ok
[20:05] <highvoltage> jbicha: if you end up deploying that much userful hardware, you'll need to go with a configuration manager anyway and could then just as well use standalone machines
[20:06] <highvoltage> jbicha: anyway, if they'd like to be listed on the Edubutnu Marketplace I'd be happy to do so :)
[20:06] <highvoltage> jbicha: do you have contact with them? I had in 2006 but the employees I knew there at the time aren't there anymore
[20:06] <jbicha> well I don't have any contact with them, just happened to see them mentioned in news stuff I read
[20:07] <jbicha> & was curious because I only knew of 1 Canadian Edubuntu business
[20:09] <highvoltage> I like that you can make out an edubuntu logo on their front page
[20:10] <jbicha> and their logo seems edubuntu-inspired to me
[20:11] <jbicha> it's still unique
[20:14] <highvoltage> yeah


 Is there some way to enable a keyboard shortcut for showing hidden files in the native file dialog? It's working fine in the regular file manager, but when I use an application's file->open file menu enty, the only way to show hidden files seems to be right click -> show hidden ... In fact, I'd be happy if I could just show hidden file
 Ctrl+h doesn't work?
 No, and neither does Alt+.
 I can confirm this behavior in both kate and featherpad (this works differently in featherpad, because apparently it doesn't use the native filepicker. If I set it to use the native file picker, it works like above - which is weird, since featherpad uses pcmanfm-qt in both cases)
 Hello, World!
 My name is Adhiansyah Ancha. And i want to ask about Lubuntu
 Why when i switch my file manager (in LXSession) from PCmanFM to Nemo, my desktop don't appear?
 @ancha41 [Why when i switch my file manager (in LXSession) from PCmanFM to Nemo, my deskto …], This is because the file manager handles desktop icons and that sort of thing.
[23:55] <wxl> @ancha41 because pcmanfm manages the desktop, too
 What he said :)
 So, Nemo can't handle this ya?
 Oh i understand


[07:00] <qtros> Hi all
[07:00] <qtros> New header isn't landed for me, I want to find out why. Can someone help me?
[14:26] <Cesar_> hi folks
[14:27] <Guest4323> Hi folks
[14:28] <Guest4323> I'm testing Ubuntu Music App from the touch core apps, can anyone indicate me where should put my music files for them to be indexed by the app?
[17:45] <Prasad> how to install ubuntu sdk on debian wheezy?help?
[18:14] <cwayne> hello, is there an easy way to change the header's background color?
[18:22] <ahayzen> cwayne, we, music-app, change the header's background colour, it is not recommended though....but this is how we do it IIRC http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/music-app.qml#L44
[18:23] <ahayzen> cwayne, you may have to do this as well http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/music-app.qml#L353
[18:25] <cwayne> ahayzen: ah, awesome, thanks!
[18:25] <ahayzen> cwayne, i'm not sure if this option will be available when the new header API lands though so that could be interesting for us lol
[18:25] <ahayzen> cwayne, no problem :)
[18:28] <ahayzen> cwayne, also the header background should normally just match the main background colour, but i assume you are wanting it to be different like us?
[18:32] <cwayne> ahayzen: yeah, i wanted it to be different
[18:32] <cwayne> just experimenting with stuff now, not much of a good designer :)
[18:59] <cwayne> hmm, setting just the headerColor is weird, it automatically makes it a gradient
[19:23] <qtros> hi all
[19:23] <qtros> New header isn't landed for me, I want to find out why. Can someone help me?
[19:24] <rpadovani> qtros, what app are you referring to?
[19:25] <qtros> rpadovani hi Ricardo
[19:25] <qtros> rpadovani I am speaking about SDK at all
[19:25] <rpadovani> qtros, are you on trusty?
[19:26] <qtros> rpadovani as far as I know new header already landed to sdk on desktop too
[19:26] <qtros> rpadovani yes
[19:26] <rpadovani> qtros, ok, do you have the right ppa?
[19:26] <qtros> rpadovani maybe no,
[19:26] <qtros> rpadovani can you help me with it? :)
[19:27] <rpadovani> qtros, sure :-) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[19:27] <rpadovani> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:27] <qtros> rpadovani seems that I already have it, but let me try :)
[19:29] <qtros> rpadovani some of sdk packages are updating, seems that you ware right
[19:29] <qtros> rpadovani awating for finish ...
[19:29] <rpadovani> qtros, ok, let me know if it works ;-) Otherwise, we try something else!
[19:31] <qtros> rpadovani yeah! It works, thanks! ))
[19:32] <rpadovani> \o/
[21:04] <ahayzen> cwayne, ah then i guess the reason ours works is because we then fill the page with a blurred background...so if you set the header/background color to what you want in the header, then add a rectangle into your page and set the colour of that to the bg colour you want that should work


[02:01] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[06:09] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/903048
[06:09] <iceroot> should be happening for all users i guess
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> !info irssi
[11:46] <aquarius> I've just tried to upgrade and libnspr is broken, it seems. chrisccoulson, is that one of yours? :)
[12:09] <Chipaca> hi all
[12:10] <Chipaca> the pointer has stopped moving in X, almost immediately after login. Still works in console. Anything known, or should I report?
[12:44] <Chipaca> yep, restarted X, got the pointer back for about a minute, and then it's gone again
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[17:23] <roothorick> yesterday I did an update, included a new kernel... today, my system is pretty hosed
[17:24] <roothorick> I don't even know where to begin in terms of reporting bugs... X doesn't start, some kind of race condition related to the nvidia module? lightdm segfaulted, no idea when it actually ran though since X didn't start on its own... I started a session with startx, and didn't have unity there, though maybe that's expected
[17:31] <BluesKaj> roothorick, did you do a dist-upgrade ? you might want to bring the rest of the dependencies/libs in with that command
[17:34] <BluesKaj> the same thing happened to me after the new kernel installed , it borked X , dist-upgrade finished the kernel install , or so it seems
[17:34] <roothorick> no
[17:34] <roothorick> just a regular apt-get update / upgrade
[17:35] <smoser> anyone know how i can get ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 installed ?
[17:37] <roothorick> trying another apt-get upgrade just for the hell of it
[17:39] <BluesKaj> roothorick, nope , you have to do a dist-upgrade ..it only ugrades existing packages and depends , it no longer does distro upgrade like before
[17:40] <BluesKaj> smoser, a 32bit system , idf so those should be installed by default
[17:41] <roothorick> BluesKaj: I don't have any such program in my path
[17:43] <BluesKaj> roothorick, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:48] <BluesKaj> too late , one can lead a horse to water .....
[17:49] <patdk-wk> and then drown him
[17:51] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, dist-upgrade wan't in his path... strange
[17:55] <BluesKaj> i expected it was someone whose first language wasn't english , but he's in the US
[17:57] <patdk-wk> or atleast his proxy
[17:57] <patdk-wk> but then, the US is hardly english anymore
[17:59] <BluesKaj> no his IP wouldn't have worked with a proxy
[18:00] <BluesKaj> i can see you have a hidden IP patdk-wk , are you using a proxy?
[18:01] <patdk-wk> I have a hidden ip?
[18:02] <patdk-wk> my ip defently isn't hidden
[18:02] <BluesKaj> it doesn't show on a whois
[18:03] <patdk-wk> does for me
[18:03] <BluesKaj> i can usually resolve IPs with traceroute , but yours doesn't from here
[18:03] <patdk-wk> what does it show you?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> 2001:470:e0ba:15:224:e8ff:fe49:3b5a
[18:04] <patdk-wk> that is my ip
[18:04] <BluesKaj> uhm, encrytion ?
[18:04]  * patdk-wk sends blueskaj back to school to learn how to use the internet
[18:05] <patdk-wk> it's not encrypted, masked, hidden, or anything
[18:05] <patdk-wk> that is my ip, in the raw
[18:05] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, this is an IP , <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:06] <patdk-wk> yes, both are ip's
[18:06] <BluesKaj> so how does it translate to numbers then
[18:06] <patdk-wk> hmm? it is numbers
[18:06] <patdk-wk> dunno what you mean, you don't *translate it*
[18:06]  * patdk-wk throws rfc2460 at blueskaj
[18:07] <patdk-wk> have you been living under a rock for the last 10 years?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> no need to insult me patdk-wk ... sharing some knowledge would be better
[18:09] <genii-around> BluesKaj: It's an IP Version 6 number
[18:13] <BluesKaj> yeah, genii-around , thanks , I see that now ...not many are using ipv6 , but i suppose I need a better trace app that can resolve it
[18:20] <patdk-wk> traceroute6?
[18:20] <patdk-wk> most of the people I deal with have enabled ipv6
[18:21] <patdk-wk> I finally got my own PI ipv6 block, need to move over to it
[18:24] <BluesKaj> nope , traceroute6 doesn't cut it either
[18:24] <alex_mayorga> patdk-wk: you're living in the future :P
[21:05] <Chipaca> hey all
[21:05] <Chipaca> what package has the "sound settings" capplet in it?
[21:06] <bjsnider> indicator-sound
[21:07] <bjsnider> if i understand what you mean
[21:08] <Chipaca> just filed it on gnome-control-center
[21:08] <Chipaca> hmm
[21:08] <Chipaca> but the problem is probably in the plumbing
[21:08] <Chipaca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/903400
[21:10] <bjsnider> could be pulseaudio or alsa-lib
[21:12] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, , any experience with getting hdmi audio working on alsa / pulse ?
[21:12] <bjsnider> no
[21:13] <bjsnider> go to #ubuntu-desktop, talk to TheMuso
[21:13] <bjsnider> he's the main audio dev in ubuntu, luke yelavich
[21:13] <BluesKaj> same here , since I use a coax out
[21:14] <bjsnider> if he doesn't know, he knows someone who knows
[21:14] <BluesKaj> hdmi is taking over , even on onboards
[21:14] <BluesKaj> ok thanks
[21:14] <Pici> I remember having to fight with it a bit to get it to work on my ati card on my htpc.
[21:15] <Pici> And even then the linux driver doesn't support more than stereo sound :(
[21:17] <bjsnider> i think the "ati" in that sentence might be the underlying issue
[21:17] <Pici> Very likely ;)
[21:18] <bjsnider> i was in the mplayer2 channel this afternoon for a chat, and you should see the nvidia-partisanship there. bottomless contempt for anything non-nvidia
[21:19] <bjsnider> in terms of graphics
[21:25] <BluesKaj> Pici, it should be quite straightforward m enabling bthe spdif out and pcm should send the signal to all digital outs , but it doesn't seem to be the case
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> no problem with hdmi here
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> except I can only send sound to ONE set of speakers
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> while on windows I could pick per app
[21:28] <bjsnider> i think pulse is supposed to support that
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: it does... for ONE sound output
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> sound indicator changes the entire system and all users to only ONE output
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> it's pretty limited
[21:30] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, hdmi with no configuring , right "out of the box" ?
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: yep. I plug the cable, turn tv on, change to the cable out put, and sound is there, screens resize to include the TV
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> plug it off, and I have all on my system again
[21:32] <alex_mayorga> slightly relevant perhaps, bug 865782
[21:32] <FernandoMiguel> IF I just turn the secondary display off, but leave everything as it was, sound will be sent to the TV even if its not more listening to it.... that's a bug
[21:32] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: Intel HD3000 here
[21:33] <bjsnider> sandybridge
[21:34] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/865782/comments/2 more precisely for the lack of HDMI audio
[21:34] <alex_mayorga> reminder to self: update that bugger soon before it expires :(
[21:35] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, bjsnider , the problems are hdmi-audio related , in all cases I've seen so far the video works well
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> well, since dchen isn't here anymore, let me nag themuso to see if I can get two way sound system
[21:38] <BluesKaj> even if I had hdmi I'd still have to use coax since my receiver DAC only accepts coax and toslink signals


[09:14] <nubae|work> we are looking for a way to add the exit (logout options) button to the top panel via gconf... but cannot seem to find that option anywhere... can someone guide me as to where/how to do that (has to be done on a large scale, so can't do it via right click, etc)?
[10:37] <blue-frog> nubae|work: .gconf/apps/panel
[12:28] <nubae|work> blue-frog, got any more info for me... tried various things but without any results
[20:19] <LaserJock> anybody around?
[20:23] <alkisg> Hi LaserJock
[20:25] <LaserJock> anybody had a chance to do any more DVD testing?
[20:25] <LaserJock> alkisg: hi!
[20:26]  * alkisg hides... :D
[20:26] <alkisg> (super slow 2 mbit dsl here...)
[20:32] <LaserJock> 2mbit isn't that bad, just slow for a 3.5GB DVD
[23:15] <Ahmuck_Sr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linuxcon_2009_joe_brockmeier/