[12:29] <Jester45> kalikiana, i dont think i changed anything let me pastebin my fstab
[12:29] <Jester45> !pastebin
[12:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:31] <Jester45> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31164/
[12:32] <Jester45> ls -ln /home == drwxr-xr-x 68 1000 1000 20480 2007-07-24 16:55 ryan
[12:41] <Pumpernickel> Why do you have notail specified for an ext3 partition?
[12:41] <Jester45> dont know
[12:41] <Jester45> figured i would put it in
[12:42] <Pumpernickel> It's a reiserfs feature.  Don't.
[12:56] <elbing> since last wine update I can't put any accent (spanish keymap). Is there any way to configure keymap only for wine?
[12:59] <imduffy15> hi can somebody help me i have got the live cd install of xubuntu and i want to install it is there anyway i can install it without going into the live desktop or getting the alternative disc???
[01:01] <imduffy15>  hi can somebody help me i have got the live cd install of xubuntu and i want to install it is there anyway i can install it without going into the live desktop or getting the alternative disc???
[01:02] <Pumpernickel> Nope.
[01:02] <imduffy15> so how do i install it ever time i go into live desktop i takes about 2 hours to load and frezes and i have not even got to click on install yet
[01:03] <imduffy15> ever=every
[01:03] <Pumpernickel> Use a different installation method.  There are lots.
[01:03] <Pumpernickel> !install
[01:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[01:04] <imduffy15> ok but i have the live cd do i just press f6 for other options and type it in there
[01:15] <imduffy15> what command do i type in to format my hard drive
[01:17] <mrpok> Hello
[01:17] <Jester45> hello
[01:17] <mrpok> Me again, more troubles for you. :)
[01:18] <vidd> whats up?
[01:18] <imduffy15> hi can somebody help me i have got the live cd install of xubuntu and i want to install it is there anyway i can install it without going into the live desktop or getting the alternative disc???
[01:18] <mrpok> My machine starts up fine, and loads some apps that were already open, but the taskbar and menu bar are not there
[01:19] <mrpok> Can I get those going somehow?
[01:19] <vidd> imduffy15, no...that is what the alt cd is for
[01:19] <Jester45> imduffy15, no the live cd is for booting into a live desktop not for doing the alt install
[01:19] <mrpok> imduffy15, the alt install is pretty easy, I did it myself the other day
[01:20] <imduffy15> crap i just wasted 600mb of my download limits is there any way to install it expect having to load that desktop thing with the install icon
[01:20] <vidd> not with the live cd imduffy15
[01:21] <imduffy15> are you sure there is no command that you can type into the other commands option
[01:21] <vidd> absolutely possitive
[01:21] <Jester45> i would hate to repeat myself but there isnt 2 cds for the fun of it
[01:21] <imduffy15> so i have to go and download the alt cd
[01:21] <imduffy15> what is the point in the live cd
[01:22] <Jester45> wow
[01:22] <mrpok> He's a bit of a huffy duffy, then!
[01:22] <Jester45> a bit hard headed
[01:23] <mrpok> probably 14 and using his mums dialup with 1gb d/l cap. :)
[01:23] <mrpok> So any ideas on how to get my top and bottom panels back?
[01:23] <mrpok> Or why they went?
[01:24] <Jester45> mrpok, try alt+F2
[01:24] <Jester45> then type xfce4-panel and click run
[01:25] <mrpok> okies, I'll give it a go
[01:27] <mrpol> awesome
[01:27] <mrpol> that worked!
[01:27] <Jester45> np common problem
[01:27] <mrpol> thanks Jester
[01:27] <mrpol> now to muck about with keyboard setup again
[01:33] <benpeyton> hello everyone
[01:34] <benpeyton> yea, im not certain anyone can even see this
[01:34] <Jester45> we cant :)
[01:34] <benpeyton> haha perfect
[01:36] <benpeyton> i guess im just surprised i got this to work at all considering i have no idea what im doing
[01:36] <Jester45> what client are you using
[01:36] <Jester45> most arent that hard
[01:37] <Jester45> you just gotta know the channel and server name
[01:37] <benpeyton> gaim internet messanger
[01:38] <Jester45> there is a newer version thats not in the repos its called pidgin i can give you a link if you would like
[01:38] <Jester45> its simple to install
[01:39] <benpeyton> yea that would be great...yea i just installed xubuntu and its just the default one i think, gaim that is
[01:40] <Jester45> http://vidd.us/downloads/deb/pidgin-data_2.0.2-1_all.deb
[01:40] <Jester45> and do you have a X86 or a 64bit cpu
[01:40] <zials> its not in apt repo?
[01:40] <Jester45> no
[01:41] <Jester45> only gain
[01:41] <Jester45> gaim*
[01:42] <benpeyton> here comes a stupid answer...i dont know if this computer is X86 or 64bit.....how do i find that out
[01:42] <Jester45> do you know what cpu is has
[01:43] <mrpol> When I installed, there was a series of questions asking me to press keys, so it could determine my keyboard layout. Can I run something like that again?
[01:44] <benpeyton> im sorry, what are you asking....i know its a dell dimension 3000, 80 gb hd, 256 mb ram
[01:44] <Jester45> benpeyton, try uname -a as a command
[01:45] <Jester45> and see if it says i686 or something else
[01:46] <Jester45> it would be the 2nd to last word
[01:47] <benpeyton> yea it says i686
[01:47] <Jester45> ok
[01:47] <Jester45> then you also need http://vidd.us/downloads/deb/pidgin_2.0.2-1_i386.deb
[01:48] <Jester45> and then you can install by runing sudo dpkg -i ./pidgin_2.0.2-1_i386.deb ./pidgin-data_2.0.2-1_all.deb
[01:49] <benpeyton> ok...so what did i686 just tell you about my computer
[01:49] <Jester45> or well it would probly be sudo dpkg -i ./Desktop/pidgin_2.0.2-1_i386.deb ./Desktop/pidgin-data_2.0.2-1_all.deb
[01:50] <Jester45> benpeyton, it told me that your running a 32bit processor and not a 64bit like AMD Althons
[01:50] <Jester45> most intels are 32bit and a lot of AMD's are 64bit
[01:50] <Jester45> i just needed to know if you had one or the other as you would need a diffrent .deb
[01:50] <benpeyton> oh ok.....yea so i ran that and it said error processing
[01:51] <Jester45> here type sudo dpkg -i then drag and drop the 2 files
[01:53] <Jester45> or you might beable to double click them
[01:53] <mrpol> Heh, gotta love Engrish... If products pictures in conflict with physical then follow physical
[01:53] <Jester45> mrpok, ?
[01:54] <mrpol> From this cheap import keyboard box
[01:54] <mrpol> Bad translations from Chinese
[01:54] <Jester45> o
[01:55] <mrpol> All other product names are trademarks or registered /tirade/marks of their respective owners
[01:56] <greg_> Jester45, I want to help out with Gutsy so I did the long test. How and where do I report the results? The ISO tracker just asks about partitioning and install stuff.
[01:56] <Jester45> !ubuntu+1
[01:56] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[01:57] <benpeyton> hmmm so i dragged and dropped it, which was cool, did not think i was going to be able to do that, but another window popped up and said stats: same version is already installed
[01:58] <Jester45> benpeyton, sudo apt-get remove gaim gaim-data && sudo dpkg -i file1 file2
[02:02] <greg_> Jester45, these seem to be ubuntu. Is there a Xubuntu-specific reporting site?
[02:03] <Jester45> not sure
[02:03] <Jester45> you could try asking in #ubuntu+1
[02:03] <greg_> Gutsy is going to be sweet.
[02:04] <Balaams_Miracle> Does anyone know if Xfce will be updated to 4.4.1 for Gutsy?
[02:06] <mrpol> hrm I cant seem to get this keyboard working right
[02:06] <benpeyto1> Jester45: alright thanks.  Im up and running pidgin right now.  Can you maybe explain real quick what you just had me too
[02:06] <mrpol> Of the number keys, only 5 and 6 work
[02:07] <Jester45> benpeyto1, the first part removed gaim then after the && installed the new pidgin
[02:07] <Jester45> the && mean after command1 do command2
[02:08] <benpeyto1> ok
[02:08] <Jester45> apt-get is a fast way to isntall/remove packages. its like synatics but better
[02:08] <Jester45> you can search for packages by useing apt-cache search term
[02:09] <Jester45> or install via apt-get install package1 package2
[02:09] <Jester45> and to update and upgrade your packages you run sudo apt-get update
[02:10] <benpeyto1> when i run the update do i have to say what package i want updated or will it just do all of them
[02:11] <Jester45> that gets a new list of package names/version and apt-get upgrade to upgrade packages that are old. also sometimes a major upgrade needs apt-get dist-upgrade such as a kernel upgrade. you can tell those because it will say something like 1 package(s) are not going to be upgrade
[02:11] <Jester45> benpeyto1, when you run update it doesnt upgrade anything it downloads a list of the packages and their version
[02:11] <timposey> has anyone here ever installed xubuntu on an intel dot station?
[02:12] <Jester45> then the upgrade will upgrade all packages that are older than the newly downloaded list
[02:12] <benpeyto1> i see
[02:14] <greg_> Update Manager seems to work pretty well too.
[02:15] <Jester45> benpeyto1, this is something i just started to write some basic tips on linux -> http://jester45.homelinux.net/tips.txt
[02:15] <Jester45> greg_, but you cant automate the updatemanger
[02:15] <benpeyto1> yea if you cant tell i need some of those
[02:15] <Jester45> and it is also slower than apt
[02:15] <Jester45> its not much yet
[02:16] <greg_> Yes, but apt isn't as pretty.
[02:16] <Jester45> define pretty
[02:16] <Jester45> i think apt is very pretty
[02:16] <greg_> Point and click no cl pretty
[02:17] <Jester45> PnC is pretty for web browsers and thats about it
[02:17] <mrpol> I like being able to point and click in the keyboard model menu
[02:18] <mrpol> The drop-down list is A Good Thing
[02:18] <mrpol> Not that it got my keyboard working. :)
[02:18] <greg_> I didn't even know it existed until the last dist-upgrade - I read that aptwouldn't work and to use Update Manager
[02:19] <Jester45> yea that was a bad little bug
[02:19] <timposey> I tried to install xubuntu to an intell dot station by taking out the hard drive putting it in another machine and installing xubuntu on the hard drive and placing it back in the machine.  It worked find in the computer but when I put the hard drive back in the intell dot station it hangs up trying to load lilo which is some type of loader that I think was associated with red hat that was originally on the dot station. any ideas... should I have comple
[02:19] <timposey> tely formated the drive before installing xubuntu or does the installation program do that?  I have wondered if the Lilo program is not on the hard drive but resident in bios or something.
[02:20] <Jester45> its a boot manager
[02:21] <Jester45> !lilo
[02:21] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[02:21] <timposey> so how do I get rid of lilo?
[02:22] <mrpol>
[02:22] <Jester45> reinstall
[02:22] <mrpol>
[02:22] <timposey> I thought that it would have loaded grub on the install
[02:23] <Jester45> timposey, grub or lilo are useable but grub is recommended
[02:23] <mrpol> Well changing layouts doesn't get the numbers working
[02:23] <benpeyto1> alright....im really interested in setting something up on my xubuntu system to help manage my rather large music file.....any suggestions on how to get that started?
[02:23] <mrpol> Maybe the keyboard itself is buggered.
[02:25] <Jester45> !mpd
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <timposey> Jester45:  on the new install how do I make sure that Lilo is completely off the hard drive before the install?   I am a little confused because when I installed it said that all data on the drive would be erased but Lilo stayed?
[02:25] <Jester45> benpeyto1, you might like mpd+mpc+sonata
[02:26] <Jester45> timposey, it should ask what boot loader you want
[02:27] <Jester45> benpeyto1, it takes a little to setup but is really nice
[02:27] <benpeyto1> i might be getting ahead of myself though....i have my music files on an external hard drive.  Is that going to be difficult to set up?
[02:28] <benpeyto1> meaning..i haven even tried to plug it in yet
[02:28] <timposey> Jester45  it did not, but I will try again tomorrow and see what happens, I didn't see any question but maybe I skipped over it.  Thanks again..
[02:29] <Jester45> benpeyto1, it shouldnt
[02:29] <Jester45> benpeyto1, once you plug it in it should just show an icon on the desktop
[02:29] <mrpol> Jester, you are most helpful.
[02:30] <mrpol> Are you any good with lawnmowers?
[02:31] <Jester45> yep
[02:32] <benpeyto1> so if i understand correctly mpd is a player i use from the command line?
[02:32] <benpeyto1> is that the only way to use it?
[02:32] <Jester45> pull the cord and hold the metal bar and it goes vveeerroommm
[02:32] <mrpol> Well, mine doesn't.
[02:32] <mrpol> :D
[02:33] <Jester45> benpeyto1, no mpd is the server you connect with clients mpc is a cli client
[02:33] <Jester45> sonata is a nice gui one
[02:33] <benpeyto1> yea...ok i understand
[02:34] <Jester45> its very lightweight
[02:34] <livecd1> Anyone know why grub works fine when i have pulled the plug on my windows harddrive? Othervise when my windows hdd is plugged in i get an error 15 from grub.
[02:34] <Jester45> mpc is good for say making short cuts on a multimedia keybaord
[02:35] <benpeyto1> awesome......well im going to for sure look into that tomorrow....jester45 thanks so much for your help and im sure i will be seeing you around here again
[02:35] <Balaams_Miracle> Does anyone know if Xfce will be updated to 4.4.1 for Gutsy?
[02:37] <Jester45> Balaams_Miracle, i think it is
[02:37] <Balaams_Miracle> Wouldn't you kjnow it, just after i've asked for the second time, i've found the answer on the Tribe2 page...
[02:37] <Balaams_Miracle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe2/Xubuntu
[02:39] <mrpol> Yay! I can type numbers!<PHONE_NUMBER>!
[02:39] <Balaams_Miracle> I am *so* itching to try the latest tribe, but i'm too afraid to brrak stuff on my system and i don't have the space to install it in a VM
[02:40] <Balaams_Miracle> mrpol, congrats!
[02:40] <mrpol> heh
[02:52] <casperin> is there some way of running a checkdisk with xubuntu running directly from the cd?
[03:07] <mrpol> I can't seem to find where to specify what happens when I put a CD in
[03:07] <mrpol> Currently, gxine loads, but I don't want that to happen
[03:10] <Jester45> that casperin guy was impatient
[03:12] <mrpol> off to the shops, bbl.
[03:22] <casperin> could someone guide me through running fsck on xubuntu? I'm very new at this
[03:24] <Pumpernickel> It's not terribly difficult.  You pick a drive/partition, e.g; /dev/sda1, make sure it's not mounted, and run `fsck /dev/sda1`.
[03:25] <casperin> I *just* got that far on my own.. but it says I don't have permission to do so because I don't have r/w access
[03:25] <Jester45> use sudo?
[03:25] <casperin> sudo?
[03:26] <zials> try sudo before the command in terminal
[03:26] <zials> type* sudo
[03:26] <casperin> gave me a bunch of info I don't know what means
[03:26] <zials> sudo = gives you administrative privelages (like root)
[03:27] <casperin> oh
[03:27] <casperin> still no permission though
[03:27] <zials> sudo fsck .... ?
[03:28] <casperin> oooh
[03:28] <casperin> hehe.. that's how new I am
[03:28] <casperin> hmm
[03:28] <zials> usually you'll need to do sudo when dealing with the file system (this makes your system more secure)
[03:29] <casperin> ok
[03:29] <casperin> uhm.. didn't actually work out.. it can't find the superblock
[03:29] <casperin> but to be honest I'm not sure I'm checking the right disk
[03:31] <casperin> what I would like the most is to run a chkdsk from DOS, but for some reason it wont let me - so I was told this could do the same
[03:31] <casperin> there's pretty much nothing on the HD aside from some windows install files
[03:32] <zials> well, you're trying to check your windows partition then?
[03:32] <casperin> I'm trying to check the HD for errors.. it's very old
[03:33] <casperin> and when I had xp installed it'd give me a bluescreen and reboot out of nowhere once in a while
[03:39] <zials> well... erhm... I guess you could check which parition it is on
[03:40] <zials> by typing in the terminal: mousepad /etc/fstab
[03:41] <zials> actually.. no
[03:41] <casperin> no?
[03:41] <zials> try : sudo fdisk -l
[03:42] <casperin> yes? what am I looking for?
[03:42] <zials> it'll show you all your drives/partitions
[03:42] <casperin> hda1 hda2 and hda5
[03:42] <casperin> so those are the ones I should rund fsck on?
[03:43] <zials> nup, only the one with windows
[03:43] <zials> look at the last column, it'll tell you what system
[03:43] <zials> NTFS or FAT would be the windows one
[03:43] <casperin> linux, extended, linux
[03:43] <casperin> (I had Ubuntu before I formated it and put windows install files on it)
[03:44] <casperin> last one is Linux Swap / Solaris
[03:44] <zials> well, you can ignore the swap...
[03:45] <casperin> tried to run fsck on hda1 but I got an "Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/hda1"
[03:45] <casperin> .. there is no fsck.ntfs
[03:48] <zials> well, since you want to fix you're windows... you could try http://www.ubcd4win.com/
[03:48] <zials> since I don't know much about tinkering with windows
[03:49] <casperin> nono.. I don't want windows at all... I only used the windows cd to format my HD
[03:50] <zials> ok, windows CD formatted HD and now you want to...?
[03:50] <zials> check it for errors?
[03:50] <casperin> a pretty unconventional way I admit.. but xubuntu couldn't do it and my dos wouldn't acknowledge anything
[03:51] <casperin> yes... find bad parts and make it not try to use them.. and then install xubuntu
[03:51] <zials> ahh, I once tried to do that too (xubuntu often gets stuck when partitioning)
[03:51] <casperin> yes!
[03:52] <zials> the problem is, windows formatted the HD to a different format... so you made no difference really, because the install will have to re-partition and format everything again
[03:52] <casperin> great.. </irony>
[03:52] <zials> but... there was another application that I used
[03:53] <zials> it'll partition the HD to the correct format (ext3 format)
[03:54] <casperin> excuse me for asking a way stupid question, but does a partition also scan the hd for errors?
[03:54] <zials> doesn't need to... because it formats everything (it wipes everything clean... then creates the partition)
[03:55] <zials> so, what I used was, Gparted, available at -> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php
[03:55] <zials> which is basically a LiveCD that'll let you partition your HD
[03:55] <zials> use it to format your HD to the ext3 format
[03:57] <casperin> reading reading..
[03:57] <casperin> aw shiet.. I don't have a burner here
[03:57] <zials> LiveUSB too...
[03:58] <zials> though... its a bit more complicated
[03:59] <casperin> you don't say lol
[04:00] <casperin> i wonder if i even have any space left on my usb.. i used it to back up my things
[04:00] <casperin> hang on
[04:00] <casperin> god.. I'm so helpless :(
[04:01] <casperin> 350mb left
[04:05] <zials> well, you could try to use xubuntu's liveCd and try to install it...
[04:05] <zials> sometimes you get lucky and it works
[04:05] <zials> just tell it to use the whole HD...
[04:05] <casperin> yeah
[04:06] <casperin> well.. i dl'ed both the gparted liveCD and liveUSB to the desktop
[04:06] <casperin> but the files for some reason aren't showing up
[04:06] <zials> o.o
[04:06] <casperin> well.. they do in a browser, so...
[04:07] <casperin> i got a folder with an .sh file now... i have absolutely not idea what it's for haha
[04:07] <zials> urgh... well, I have to call it a night right now
[04:07] <Jester45> anyone know how to set your screen offset
[04:07] <zials> .sh = executable
[04:07] <casperin> oh wow
[04:07] <zials> in terminal.. type: ./filename.sh
[04:08] <casperin> yeah me too in a sec.. it's 4am here =/
[04:08] <Jester45> better type sh filename.sh
[04:08] <casperin> ok, I'll try
[04:09] <casperin> that didn't do anything
[04:10] <Jester45> what are you trying to do
[04:10] <Jester45> paste the .sh
[04:10] <casperin> trying to run an .sh file on my desktop..
[04:10] <Jester45> !pastebin
[04:10] <casperin> /home/ubuntu/Desktop/set_usb.sh
[04:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:11] <Jester45> no paste the stuff insite
[04:11] <Jester45> cat /home/ubuntu/Desktop/set_usb.sh
[04:12] <casperin> oh wow
[04:12] <casperin> ok, I'm getting in way above me now and it's 4am.. i have to call it a night too
[04:13] <casperin> thanks though :-)
[04:13] <Jester45> k
[04:13] <casperin> oh wait!!
[04:13] <casperin> i think it worked haha
[04:13] <casperin> i created a usb stick that can run a check disk
[04:14] <casperin> apparently..
[04:14] <casperin> nah...
[04:15] <casperin> ok gnight then.. i hear sleeping is good for your heath :P
[05:25] <panfist> this may seem like a weird question but is there any way I can get the titles of windows to be formatted to the left instead of the center
[05:59] <Kaelri> Hello... is there anyone in particular I can ask a question regarding Xubuntu installation?
[06:04] <Kaelri> Hm. Well, as there doesn't seem to be a conversation for me to interrupt, I'll just ask it: I'm trying to install it on a computer with two hard drives - a primary 60GB drive and a secondary 40GB. I have XP on the 60, and I'd like to install Xubuntu by itself on the 40, but the installer is only recognizing the 60. If someone knows of a way to fix this, please let me know.
[06:13] <aliveriuss> problem with libstdc++ here!
 hey
 listen to this , this is strange...
 i boot into my linux, remembering that before shutdown it behaved strangely
 it still does
 most apps wont load
 the terminal did load tho
 so i run firefox in the terminal and get a message:
 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version 'GCC4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)
 i thought a package i had manualy installed had done the job...
 since synaptic wouldnt run either
 i compiled from 4.1.2 source libstdc++
 the system came back to life
 everything worked
 so i thought ok, now i should replace it with the ubuntu one
 i did and the problem returned
 i thought maybe something corrupted my cache, so i cleaned the apt cache
 i copied my own libstdc++ to get synaptic to work
 reinstalled the ubuntu libstdc++
 again dead....
 any ideas?
[06:15] <Kaelri> Good luck... I came in here a while ago with an installation problem and I've gotten nothing but silence...
[06:16] <aliveriuss> wake up people!!!
[06:16] <aliveriuss> by the way Kaelri isnt xfce damn fast? :D
[06:16] <Kaelri> Heh.
[06:16] <Kaelri> It really is. I think we're gonna be fast friends. I just want to get the thing on my hard drive. ;)
[06:16] <aliveriuss> and what is your problem?
[06:17] <Kaelri> I've got a laptop with two drives. A primary 60GB and a secondary 40GB. I've got the 40 all cleared out just for Xubuntu, but the CD installer is only detecting the 60.
[06:17] <aliveriuss> (i am running this in a new computer and it is amazing it shows even wth 1gb ram that xfce is more lightweight)
[06:18] <aliveriuss> the 2nd drive is external?
[06:18] <Kaelri> (Heh, excellent.)
[06:18] <Kaelri> Nope.
[06:18] <aliveriuss> tell me more
[06:19] <Kaelri> Hm. It's a Dell Inspiron B130. Only a year old. Came from the factory with the two drives. The second one has worked perfectly fine in Windows.
[06:19] <Kaelri> I read a help file online somewhere that said the installer should automatically read it.
[06:19] <aliveriuss> what kind of controller do wondows report:?
[06:19] <Kaelri> Controller?
[06:20] <aliveriuss> controler yes
[06:21] <Kaelri> (Sorry if I'm being an idiot, but I've only dabbled in the world beyond garden-variety PC work.)
[06:21] <aliveriuss> at least could you show me a link with your laptop's specs?
[06:22] <Kaelri> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2732
[06:22] <Kaelri> Beneath the picture. Hope it helps.
[06:23] <aliveriuss> have you tried to install windows on that drive?
[06:23] <Kaelri> No. (Sadly, Dell neglected to send me a reinstallation disk.)
[06:24] <Jester45> do you have a cd key?
[06:25] <Jester45> or ms calles it a product id key
[06:25] <Kaelri> Since when has Microsoft been that generous? ;)
[06:26] <Jester45> i was just going to say if you wanted thepiratebay is sure to have a good copy of the version
[06:27] <Jester45> ive done it before but i have a key from the first install but the disc was scratched so i needed a new copy
[06:28] <Kaelri> Yeah. I'm hoping I'll be able to put Linux on that drive, though, and eliminate the problem. (Thanks for the suggestion, though. It might come to that.)
[06:30] <Kaelri> I should mention that Xubuntu itself was able to read the drive. I could view the files on it and so on. It's just the installer application that listed only the primary drive.
[06:32] <Jester45> Kaelri, what cd are you useing
[06:32] <panfist> hey i was wondering about panels autohiding...two questions, one can i map a keyboard shortcut to show/hide certain panels? or toggle autohide? second question, can i change the delay of how long i have to put my cursor on the edge of a hidden panel before it shows itself?
[06:33] <Jester45> panfist, thats a good idea but i dont know how, if any of that is possible it would be the delay
[06:33] <Kaelri> Jester: I downloaded the ISO here - http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.04/release/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso - and burnt the image to a blank CD.
[06:34] <panfist> i have a panel docked on the right side of my screen with some applets like cpu, mem, swap monitor, battery monitor, weather, notes etc that i have autohidden and its annoying when the mouse acceleration causes the cursor to bump the right side of the screen for a split second when im trying to scroll, and theni cant scroll because the panels in the way
[06:34] <Jester45> Kaelri, if you can try the alt cd as it is stabler
[06:34] <Kaelri> Ah. Worth a try. Thank you.
[06:34] <Jester45> Kaelri, you can get it from http://vidd.us/downloads/
[06:34] <Jester45> if the ubuntu servers are a bit slow
[06:35] <Jester45> as far as i have seen that server's upload is 600-700kb/s
[06:36] <Kaelri> Aye, that's about what I'm getting.
[06:43] <aliveriuss> Kaelri, the laptop you showed me doesnt have a second drive....
[06:44] <Kaelri> Mine's probably a bit different from the review model. Dell offered a number of custom options for the purchaser, including a second drive.
[06:44] <aliveriuss> i bet you have a secondary card that runs that disk, to be more vulgar
[06:45] <aliveriuss> and that card is unsupported or badly supported
[06:45] <Kaelri> Hmm. Best I can do is try the alternate ISO that Jester recommended, I guess. Thanks for looking, though.
[06:46] <aliveriuss> np
[06:46] <aliveriuss> do that
[06:51] <Kaelri> CD's done. Once more unto the breach. Thanks again for the help. Good luck with your libstdc++, aliveriuss.
[06:51] <Jester45> finished the download? im gonna take the server down for a quick upgrade
[06:51] <Kaelri> Heh, speak of the devil.
[06:51] <Jester45> guess so
[06:52] <aliveriuss> Kaelri, i suggest you verify the MD5 had of the image you downloaded
[06:52] <aliveriuss> hash*
[06:52] <aliveriuss> i bet you dont know how tho
[06:52] <Kaelri> Heh, you'd win that bet.
[06:54] <Kaelri> It contains a text log called "md5sum" - that what you're talking about?
[06:54] <Jester45> sudo aptitude install sleuthkit then md5 xubuntu-7.04*.iso
[06:55] <aliveriuss> actually you should read that sum in an ubuntu website
[06:55] <aliveriuss> and compare it to the one some utility for *windows* you find on the net will tell
[06:56] <Kaelri> Ah, Wikipedia, you never fail me... will do.
[06:56] <Jester45> oo yea
[06:57] <Jester45> not on linux yet :) you have to search the web for you programs
[06:58] <Kaelri> Heh. Luckily, I'm trained in the art of Google just like everyone else.
[06:58] <aliveriuss> not everyone knows to google effectively
[06:59] <aliveriuss> trust me in the univ i can find more articles than anyone hehe :D
[06:59] <Kaelri> Heh.  You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:03] <aliveriuss> yeah yeah he already told me in pvt
[07:03] <aliveriuss> :>
[07:04] <Kaelri> (Just to let you know, the MD5 checks out. It was a good thought, though.)
[07:06] <Kaelri> I'll go give this thing a try.
[07:20] <Kaelri> Alas! No cigar. Thanks again for the suggestions, though.
[07:21] <aliveriuss> you have to go to the properties pf ""my computer"
[07:22] <aliveriuss> can you do that?
[07:22] <aliveriuss> i will tell you step by step
[07:27] <aliveriuss> no i am talking to you
[07:27] <Kaelri> Oh.
[07:27] <Kaelri> Well, then, I'm there.
[07:27] <aliveriuss> tab: hardware
[07:28] <Kaelri> 'K.
[07:28] <aliveriuss> device manager
[07:28] <Kaelri> 'K.
[07:29] <Kaelri> ...now that is interesting.
[07:29] <aliveriuss> click the cross beside ide ata/atapi controllers
[07:29] <aliveriuss> that is the hardware that, well, controlls your hard disk
[07:29] <Kaelri> Aha.
[07:30] <aliveriuss> so what does it say?
[07:30] <Kaelri> Intel 8280 1FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 266F.
[07:31] <aliveriuss> is that all?
[07:31] <Kaelri> There's a second tab that simply reads "Primary IDE Channel."
[07:31] <Kaelri> Otherwise, yes.
[07:32] <aliveriuss> do you see any scsi / raid conntrollers in the main tree?
[07:33] <Kaelri> I do not.
[07:34] <aliveriuss> unfold the hard disks tree
[07:35] <Kaelri> Whoah.
[07:35] <Kaelri> I do believe my computer just scammed me.
[07:35] <Kaelri> It seems the second drive I thought I had is a partition from the primary drive, after all...
[07:35] <aliveriuss> hehe
[07:36] <aliveriuss> case dismissed
[07:37] <Kaelri> Heh. Well, partially, anyway. The Xubuntu installer didn't distinguish between them as partitions any more than it did as drives.
[07:37] <aliveriuss> why did it report a 100gb partition?
[07:37] <aliveriuss> no
[07:37] <aliveriuss> you probably have a 100gb drive
[07:37] <aliveriuss> a 60gb partition
[07:37] <aliveriuss> and 40gb of free space
[07:38] <Kaelri> Right.
[07:38] <aliveriuss> go install your xubuntu in there!
[07:38] <aliveriuss> then come back through windows
[07:38] <aliveriuss> and ask how to chat on irc with ubuntu
[07:38] <aliveriuss> hehe
[07:39] <Kaelri> Some of that free space is on the 60GB partition, though... isn't there a chance that if I tell it to just take 40GB for its own use, it'll take some from what Windows thinks of as both drives? Seems like that could screw up Windows' file system quite a bit.
[07:40] <aliveriuss> of course it will
[07:40] <aliveriuss> actually
[07:40] <aliveriuss> windows reports 2 different partition on the same hard drive
[07:40] <aliveriuss> as two different drives
[07:40] <Kaelri> Exactly.
[07:41] <aliveriuss> so if windows now see one drive of 60gb
[07:41] <aliveriuss> and before it saw another one of 40gb
[07:41] <aliveriuss> those 40gb are distinct space
[07:42] <aliveriuss> so dont worry
[07:42] <aliveriuss> just be careful not to choose automatic partitioning on the entire disk space
[07:42] <aliveriuss> cause that will wipe everything out
[07:43] <Kaelri> Yeah. Hm. So will Xubuntu's guided partitioning be able to isolate the space in what Windows calls the 40GB partition?
[07:43] <aliveriuss> if you choose automatic partitioning in the FREE space yes
[07:43] <Kaelri> And it'll deliberately ignore the free space on the 60GB?
[07:44] <aliveriuss> yes
[07:44] <Kaelri> Sweet.
[07:44] <aliveriuss> not sweet, standard!
[07:44] <Kaelri> Heh, granted.
[07:44] <aliveriuss> yes that
[07:45] <Kaelri> *crosses fingers*
[08:07] <Kaelri> A major milestone. :) The last hurdle is that I have to set up the partitions manually. I know I need a root "/" of at least 2GB, and a "swap" of the same size (I'm told the rule of thumb is to make the swap double your RAM). Do I need another one, or will Xubuntu be able to handle files on a regular NTFS partition?
[08:08] <aliveriuss> no it wont
[08:09] <Kaelri> Ah, ok.
[08:09] <sigmamu188> dose anyone know hot the add a location to the "send to" options when you right click on a file?
[08:09] <aliveriuss> create one swap first about 1gb
[08:09] <sigmamu188> how not hot*
[08:09] <aliveriuss> about 15gb root
[08:09] <aliveriuss> the rest /home
[08:10] <aliveriuss> this way every time you destroy your xubuntu
[08:10] <aliveriuss> you can just install that
[08:10] <Kaelri> Heh, gotcha.
[08:11] <Kaelri> (Conceptual question: is root just for the OS, or will it also hold application data and/or personal files?)
[08:11] <aliveriuss> personal files go to /home
[08:11] <aliveriuss> home is like documents and setting ins windows
[08:11] <Kaelri> Ok.
[08:11] <aliveriuss> applications go to /usr but you dnt need to separate that for now
[08:11] <aliveriuss> application data goes to home ttoo
[08:12] <Kaelri> So root, then, is indeed just for Xubuntu itself?
[08:13] <aliveriuss> yes
[08:14] <aliveriuss> do swap then root then  home
[08:14] <Kaelri> Understood.
[08:14] <aliveriuss> how much ram do you havE/
[08:14] <aliveriuss> ?
[08:14] <Kaelri> 1GB.
[08:14] <Kaelri> That change anything?
[08:15] <aliveriuss> many would say make a double size swap
[08:15] <aliveriuss> but hey 1gb is going to be fine
[08:15] <Kaelri> Heh. Excellent.
[08:16] <Kaelri> I thankye once more for your patience. Hopefully I'll be in the midst of a pretty Xfce interface next time we speak. :)
[08:18] <sigmamu188>  dose anyone know how the add a location to the "send to" options when you right click on a file?
[08:20] <aliveriuss> me not sorry
[09:53] <tuxcrafter> hello guys
[09:53] <tuxcrafter> i am looking for a shortcut for always on top
[09:53] <tuxcrafter> i cant find it
[09:54] <tuxcrafter> also is there an option to get this in the taskbar menu
[09:54] <tuxcrafter> instead of stick or something
[10:06] <imduffy15> hi i am having problems installing xubuntu i have the live cd and am trying to boot into the live desktop to install it but the icons will not apppear on the desktop and it seams as if it has stoped loading the disc
[10:09] <tupa> imduffy15, are you low on RAM?
[10:10] <tupa> eg less than 256 MB
[12:21] <mrpo1> Hey guys
[12:21] <mrpo1> I'm having keyboard problems again. :(
[06:07] <timposey> is grub only needed on a dual boot system or is grub necessary to boot all systems?