[00:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177583 in linux-meta (main) "AVerTV DVB-T Super 007 support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177583
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177588 in openoffice.org (main) "Comas disappear when exporting to pdf. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177588
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177589 in ubuntu "Ubuntu completely halts when you run out of RAM." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177589
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177585 in linux-meta (main) "No Core2Duo optimized kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177585
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177586 in ubuntu "no sound and i cannot enable any detskop effect on intel965cart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177586
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177587 in ubuntu "reproducible kontakt/kmail crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177587
[04:08] <ubotu> New bug: #160041 in awn "Can't hover over balloon (dup-of: 139997)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160041
[04:08] <ubotu> New bug: #164774 in getdeb.net "avidemux corrupted" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164774
[04:22] <ubotu> New bug: #177593 in gnome-panel (main) "have an emachine, just updated to latest - needed a reboot - video card not recognized afterwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177593
[04:47] <ubotu> New bug: #177594 in ubuntu "AM PM Date time format not found in Spanish Colombia locales" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177594
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177595 in ubuntu "Ubuntu installer configures bad usplash (Ubuntu Gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177595
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177597 in ubiquity (main) "7.10 installer crashed trying TimezoneApply" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177597
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177598 in ubuntu "security upgrade rewrites partition table and leaves machine unbootable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177598
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177601 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "2nd Camera not recognized when connected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177601
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177610 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "libmysqld.a: could not read symbols: Bad value" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177610
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177611 in bluez-utils (main) "package bluez-utils 3.22-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177611
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177612 in ubuntu "autofs fails to mount " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177612
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177615 in flightgear (universe) "New upstream version: 1.00" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177615
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177617 in ghemical (universe) "GThread-ERROR **: GThread system may only be initialized once." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177617
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177620 in pbuilder (main) "pbuilder-satisfy depends can't seem to handle apps backported by prevu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177620
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #146937 in galeon (universe) "galeon crashed with SIGSEGV in print_printer_combo_cb()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146937
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177624 in linux (main) "iwl3945 has very poor signal reception, whereas ipw3945 works perfectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177624
[08:37] <ubotu> New bug: #177622 in firefox (main) "Firefox just stops connecting after a short time online." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177622
[08:37] <ubotu> New bug: #177623 in ubiquity (main) "autopartitioning doesn't work in localized ubiquity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177623
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177625 in yelp (main) "ecran et affichages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177625
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177627 in gnome-panel (main) "getting blank Desk2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177627
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177628 in ubuntu "Wrong Exec= in desktop files in koffice 2.0 package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177628
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177629 in empathy (universe) "Please sponsor empathy 0.21.4 into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177629
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177631 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Please merge gnome-power-manager 2.20.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177631
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177632 in flumotion (universe) "missing required package to start manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177632
[10:46] <Usiu> Hi
[10:47] <Usiu>  Where I can get Ubuntu installer with latest xorg intel driver. The one included in gutsy 7.10 is buggy for some intel cards and cause black screen. On Debian I was using old one precompiled for new API. Now its fixed in debian and current git.
[11:01] <markvandenborre> what should I do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad0.10/+bug/111555
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177633 in ubuntu "popup menu not visible when using dual-monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177633
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177634 in squashfs (main) "cannot mount squashfs from hardy's desktop CDs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177634
[11:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111555 in gstreamer "totem/gstreamer cannot play midi files" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:02] <markvandenborre> there's an upstream source package for gstreamer-plugins-bad that includes midi support
[11:02] <markvandenborre> since before gutsy now
[11:03] <markvandenborre> software midi playback support in gstreamer is perfectly possible, it's just not packaged
[11:04] <markvandenborre> should I file a new bug about that?
[11:04] <markvandenborre> the information is already present in #111555, it's just hidden very deep
[11:04] <markvandenborre> in the comments
[11:04] <DarkMageZ> markvandenborre, ask slomo about it.
[11:07] <markvandenborre> DarkMageZ, thx for the hint
[11:07] <markvandenborre> slomo, ^^?
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177635 in linux-meta (main) "[hardy] regression: 2.6.24 kernel oopses on suspend to ram" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177635
[11:18] <pochu> markvandenborre: if it's hidden in the commends, update the description :)
[11:19] <markvandenborre> pochu, a bit hard if you're not the reporter
[11:19] <markvandenborre> :)
[11:19] <pochu> markvandenborre: why? There's an 'Edit Description/tags' link in the top left menu
[11:19] <pochu> markvandenborre: feel free to use it even if you are not the reporter ;-)
[11:20] <markvandenborre> oh, didn't know that was the case
[11:20] <markvandenborre> hm, even then, looking at it more closely, this is not really the place
[11:20] <markvandenborre> should be filed separately
[11:20] <markvandenborre> sorry for taking your time
[11:20] <pochu> No wooorries :-)
[11:21] <markvandenborre> the bug speaks of totem, but gstreamer-plugins0.10-bad should really be fixed first
[11:22] <seb128> you can reassign a bug or open a task on an another component
[11:24] <pochu> And I don't think there's a bug in totem, is there?
[11:24] <markvandenborre> no, it's the underlaying layer
[11:25] <pochu> bug 111555
[11:25] <markvandenborre> this is so important to so many musicians
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111555 in gstreamer "totem/gstreamer cannot play midi files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111555
[11:25] <markvandenborre> I reassigned it just before coming here, from gstreamer to gst-plugins0.10-bad, sorry for the mess
[11:26] <markvandenborre> filing a new one
[11:26] <pochu> markvandenborre: why would you file a new report?
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177636 in acpi-support (main) "sleep broken on Lenovo R60e, xorg and sound problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177636
[11:26] <pochu> markvandenborre: as long as you have assigned it to the right package..
[11:27] <markvandenborre> pochu, so I should just edit subject and text of the existing one?
[11:28] <pochu> Yes.
[11:28] <markvandenborre> it feels a bit awkward that this is even possible
[11:28] <markvandenborre> guess it's the only way for you guys to keep some sanity
[11:28] <pochu> There will be a link just under the new description pointing to the old one.
[11:29] <markvandenborre> ah, k
[11:29] <pochu> And the changes will be recorded in the activity
[11:30] <pochu> markvandenborre: someone said the support is in -base? Is that true? if so, it should be assigned to -base and not to -bad.
[11:31] <markvandenborre> pochu, I saw it was in -bad
[11:31] <pochu> Ok, it's -bad
[11:31] <pochu> markvandenborre: yes, he said -base but linked to -bad release notes :-)
[11:32] <markvandenborre> :)
[11:33] <pochu> configure: *** checking feature: timidity midi soft synth plugin ***
[11:33] <pochu> configure: *** for plug-ins: timidity ***
[11:33] <pochu> checking for TIMIDITY... no
[11:33] <pochu> configure: *** These plugins will not be built: timidity
[11:34] <pochu> It's not actually built
[11:34] <pochu> I'll look into this later, have to go now.
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177637 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox lose songs and mp3 tags" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177637
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177639 in enigmail (main) "Per Recipient Rules don't work in Thunderbird/Enigmail on Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177639
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177640 in kdebase (main) "[KDE, Konqueror] nspluginviewer eating 100% of CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177640
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177641 in ubuntu "installer crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177641
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177558 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177558
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177646 in gnome-cpufreq-applet "Celeron M530, no frequence scaling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177646
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177647 in kde-guidance (main) "Packaged translations for en_GB are Greek (literally)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177647
[13:02] <slomo> markvandenborre: needs someone to package timidity or wildmidi, then i'll include the midi plugin in gst-plugins-bad
[13:02] <persia> slomo: What needs to be done to timidity?  I'd be happy to take a look.
[13:03] <slomo> persia: well, it needs to be packaged so we have headers, a shared library, etc... everything that the gstreamer plugin needs
[13:04] <persia> slomo: Essentially, split the library out into libtimidity then?
[13:04]  * persia doesn't know much about gstreamer, but has previously played with timidity code
[13:05] <slomo> persia: probably, i don't know anything about timidity
[13:05] <slomo> persia: maybe take a look yourself in the gst-plugins-bad sources :)
[13:05] <persia> heh.
[13:05] <markvandenborre> slomo, timidity is packaged right?
[13:05] <persia> I'll take a look at gst-plugins-bad, and see if I can figure out what's needed (although maybe not tonight) :)
[13:06] <markvandenborre> ah, sorry
[13:06] <persia> markvandenborre: Yes, packaged, but no, not in a way that provides a separate library.
[13:06] <markvandenborre> yeah, sorry, just answered too quickly, read slomo's first comment
[13:07] <markvandenborre> in any case, you can't expect a non-geek musician to use ubuntu without out of the box midi support, so this should probably be priority high
[13:07] <persia> markvandenborre: If you want to play with the code, please don't wait on me.  I'm interested in solving the midi-doesn't-work-by-default issue, but am currently mostly chasing bug #163727
[13:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163727 in timidity "soundfont does not seem to get automatically installed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163727
[13:08] <markvandenborre> persia, that's obviously more high priority
[13:08] <markvandenborre> strange
[13:09] <persia> Even with a working timidity plugin in gst-plugins-bad, I'm not convinced that freepats is sufficiently high quality to be worth it.
[13:09] <markvandenborre> can't remember having had that prop
[13:09] <markvandenborre> persia, that's part of a chicken and egg problem
[13:09] <markvandenborre> it will attract more attention to midi quality
[13:09] <persia> markvandenborre: Almost nobody does: either they don't mind freepats, or they follow the README.Debian and download one of the fonts from hammersound.
[13:10] <markvandenborre> persia, you're talking geeks right now
[13:10] <markvandenborre> not users
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177650 in boinc (universe) "Please sync boinc 5.10.30-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177650
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177652 in k3b (main) "Typo: Apppended" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177652
[13:10] <markvandenborre> sorry, have to go
[13:10] <persia> markvandenborre: True.  Personally, I'm more interested in making it high quality before it's default, but if you want to help figure out what is needed to help get the default working, it saves me effort later.
[13:10] <markvandenborre> will try to get back to you soon
[13:10] <persia> And yes, the audience is wrong.  Have a good $time_of_day
[13:11] <markvandenborre> thx for your suggestions!
[13:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177651 in wrapperfactory.app (universe) "Please sync wrapperfactory.app 0.1.0-3  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177651
[13:30] <ubotu> New bug: #148113 in scim (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in _XimServerDestroy()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148113
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177654 in ubuntu "Screen backlight is wrong controlled on Macbook Pro (1G and 2G)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177654
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163204 in gnome-panel (main) "Desktop is black (no icons & no right-click menu)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163204
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177655 in compiz (main) "compiz not starting after upgrading kernel to 2.6.22-14-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177655
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177656 in ekiga (main) "Falló el registro:prohibido" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177656
[13:56] <Hobbsee> LP: #175891
[13:56] <Hobbsee> bug #175891
[13:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175891 in curl "[hardy] Drop libssh2-1-dev from Build-Depends" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175891
[14:01] <geser> Hobbsee: what's wrong with this bug?
[14:01] <Hobbsee> geser: nothing.  i just wnated to know what it was
[14:02] <geser> ah, ok
[14:06] <persia> Does anyone happen to remember the gstreamer MIDI bug number offhand?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> erm, no, but if you check bugs reported by me, you might find it there...
[14:06] <Hobbsee> if that's hte one you mean
[14:07] <persia> Hobbsee: No, your bug is that freepats sounds bad :)  I'm looking at the other one right now.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> oh
[14:07]  * Hobbsee thought it was a metabug, saying "persia, fix it!"
[14:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[14:08] <persia> Hobbsee: No.  You actually shot down the first effort to fix it by including timidity-extra-interfaces as a dependency of Ubuntu-desktop, but that was before gstreamer-timidity was a possibility, and known not to be a good long-term solution :)
[14:09] <Hobbsee> i did?  i don't remember doing that
[14:09] <persia> bug #45852
[14:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45852 in baltix "Default Ubuntu desktop can't play midi files (not Kubuntu)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45852
[14:10] <persia> Ah.  Cool.  timidity is not valid as a build-depends until repackaged.  At least I understand the issue.  Now to find the bug...
[14:12] <persia> pochu: "/me looks at persia" works better when you subscribe me to a bug :)
[14:15] <joumetal> bug 117395
[14:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117395 in alsaplayer "Alsaplayer crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117395
[14:16] <joumetal> should bug 151806 reopened for dapper or not?
[14:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151806 in alsaplayer "CVE-2007-5301 buffer overflow in vorbis input plugi" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151806
[14:19] <persia> joumetal: No, rather 117395 should be marked duplicate of 151806.  I should have pointed Luke to 117395 instead of opening 151806.  My apologies for the confusion.
[14:19] <persia> (Strangely, I don't remember opening that bug)
[14:20] <Fanch> how long does it usually take
[14:20] <persia> Fanch: For?
[14:20] <Fanch> (ooops) to get feedback about a reported bug
[14:21] <persia> Fanch: Depends.  If you happen to report a bug on a package someone watches closely, or ubotu reports it when someone interested is watching, can be a few hours.  If you miss, can be a few months.  Which bug?
[14:22] <Fanch> bug 175533
[14:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175533 in glibc "mremap returns a bogus pointer in 64 bits (feisty)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175533
[14:22] <pochu> persia: heh, I forgot to do it :)
[14:22] <persia> pochu: You're just lucky I went looking for it :)
[14:23] <joumetal> persia but 151806 is only fixed in gutsy?
[14:23] <persia> joumetal: Ah.  Right.  Good point.  Hmmm...
[14:23] <ubotu> New bug: #177661 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crashes Due to Font Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177661
[14:25] <persia> joumetal: Still, I think 117395 is best either marked duplicate or closed, as alsaplayer doesn't crash anymore.  I'm subscribed to 151806: if you'd be willing to investigate which other versions also have the CVE and nominate for those releases, that's the best way to address the security issue.
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177662 in ubuntu "Intel dual head output for 82852/82855 not working with viewsonic 19"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177662
[14:26] <persia> Fanch: I remember that bug.  The Toolchain Hackers are subscribed, and will likely look in due course.  Given how invasive toolchain changes can be, sometimes it takes a very long time for something to be fixed if it doesn't break lots of software in the archives.
[14:30]  * Fanch is googleizing Toolchain Hackers... :-)
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177663 in nautilus (main) "Corrupted Nautilus bookmarks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177663
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177664 in cvxopt (universe) "Please sync cvxopt 0.9.1-4  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177664
[14:38] <persia> Fanch: The people who work on the toolchain (compilers, deep libraries, etc.).  Each distribution has their own, and there are also those who hack upstream, or just for fun.
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177672 in ubuntu "Please package wildmidi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177672
[15:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177673 in ubuntu "Please package ingen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177673
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177666 in linux (main) "desktop CD boot hangs eternally; kernel oops in unionfs_create()" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177666
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177667 in gcc-4.2 (main) "gcc: invalid bfd target 'elf-i386'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177667
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177674 in ubuntu "texlive-base-bin-doc fails upon installation, due to missing dependency on update-updmap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177674
[15:20] <bddebian> Boo
[15:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177678 in ubuntu "Please package vocoder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177678
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177681 in silo (main) "siloconfig write incorrect silo.conf in some circumstance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177681
[15:37] <ubotu> New bug: #177679 in ubuntu "Please package WhySynth" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177679
[15:37] <ubotu> New bug: #177680 in xorg (main) "leaking pixmaps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177680
[15:39] <ubotu> New bug: #177668 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[hardy] xorg-driver-fglrx update is not installable, conflicts with xserver-xorg-core" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177668
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177670 in firefox (main) "/var/crash/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177670
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177682 in samba (main) "samba fails to upgrade under apt-get -qq -y upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177682
[15:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177685 in tomcat5.5 (universe) "In gutsy, cannot change tomcat5.5 user from tomcat55" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177685
[15:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177686 in linux (main) "make prepare fails on linux-headers-2.6.24-2-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177686
[15:55] <RainCT> uhm.. why does the next python-launchpadbugs don't accept LP urls?
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177676 in hydrogen (universe) "Please expose the WASP LADSPA plugin" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177676
[16:03] <ubotu> New bug: #177677 in hydrogen (universe) "Please add LASH support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177677
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177688 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird don't restart correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177688
[16:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177690 in gutenprint (main) "Parallel port printer not detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177690
[16:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177691 in ubuntu "Xorg crash with fbcon (and radeonfb)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177691
[16:15] <kalib> how can i report a bug?
[16:15] <pochu> kalib: you can do that in bugs.ubuntu.com
[16:16] <pochu> !bugs
[16:16] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[16:16] <pochu> kalib: first look if it has already been reported :-)
[16:17] <kalib> yeah..i'm checking it now... ;] thanks
[16:18] <bdmurray> kalib: what is the bug in?
[16:19] <pochu> 17:06 <     kalib> anyone of you guys know what's goin on about this bug?? So many notebooks with ATI sound are not working...i saw so many people on google  with the same problem...
[16:19] <pochu> bdmurray: do you know of something like that since Gutsy?
[16:20] <pochu> Would that be in alsa, or the kernel?
[16:20]  * pochu doesn't know how sound bugs go...
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177696 in ubuntu "Screen 1 changes on start-up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177696
[16:21] <kalib> i didn't have this problem with kubuntu 6.10 for example...
[16:21] <kalib> but i decided to install the 7.10... and now i don't have any sound...
[16:21] <pochu> Was it a clean install, or an upgrade?
[16:22] <bdmurray> kalib: linux-source-2.6.22 and look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems for bug filing information
[16:22] <kalib> and i also can't for example change the volume on alsamixer... it's kind of blocked you know?!
[16:23] <kalib> bdmurray checking...
[16:23] <bdmurray> kalib: additionally it would really be best if you could test with Hardy Alpha 2 which is due real soon now
[16:25] <kalib> bdmurray i will..thanks
[16:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177698 in ubuntu "Duplicate sources aren't fixed by apt-update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177698
[16:26] <kalib> i hope it will be fixed on Kubuntu 8.04... ;]
[16:26] <kalib> take care..got go now..back to work
[16:26] <bdmurray> kalib: with your help it can be
[16:26] <kalib> ;]
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177700 in dreamchess (universe) "Please sync dreamchess 0.1.0-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177700
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177703 in libbonobo (main) "Please merge libbonobo 2.20.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177703
[17:01] <jose> hello i have problems with the net driver
[17:01] <Pici> jose: a bug? or a support question?
[17:02] <jose> i read on the internet that was a bug on the kernel
[17:02] <jose> so i'm not sure
[17:04] <ubotu> New bug: #177707 in compiz (main) "wrong placement of live previews(Desktop Wall) on one output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177707
[17:07] <bdmurray> jose: what did you read?
[17:09] <jose> that was a problem with the kernel 2.6.15 17 and now im with the 22
[17:15] <hggdh> jose: what was the problem, and what net driver?
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177709 in evolution (main) "[hardy] Evo goes into error recovery on login after logout with Evo still running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177709
[17:17] <jose> the problem seems to be with this  ne2k-pci
[17:18] <hggdh> jose still not enough info... WHAT is the problem?
[17:20] <jose> hggdh the networks seems to work partially
[17:20] <hggdh> your description does not allow us to determine if this is a support issue or a bug
[17:20] <jose> I have the RTL 8029AS card, and works sometimes for seconds
[17:20] <hggdh> here we deal with product bugs
[17:22] <hggdh> jose: please open a question on https://answers.launchpad.net. If this is indeed a bug we will be notified. Be sure to add in as much data on what exactly goes wrong as possible
[17:23] <hggdh> jose: this means (among others): you stated you read on the internet -- provide the link; provide a correct and full description of the error messages you see; provide the PCI-id of your card, and the full name & model
[17:24] <jose> i will do that hggdh thx
[17:24] <hggdh> then post me here, and I will lokk at it
[17:24] <hggdh> s/lokk/look/
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177710 in gedit (main) "GEdit deletes files rather than saves - NASTY !" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177710
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177711 in virtualbox-ose-modules (universe) "It's not possible to have the module installed for different kernel versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177711
[17:42] <jose> hdddh by the way https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/87078
[17:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87078 in linux-source-2.6.20 "RTL-8029: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177712 in kdebase (main) "embedded apps in konqueror have no focus by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177712
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177713 in linux (main) "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[18:01] <hggdh> jose: checking it
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177714 in gnome-panel (main) "can't open a new work space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177714
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177715 in k9copy (universe) "k9copy spell check, "Insuffisant disk space"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177715
[18:26] <blueyed> Is it enough for a kernel bug like bug 177713 to be assigned to the "linux" package?
[18:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in linux "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[18:26] <blueyed> I'm wondering, because there's no team subscibed or something similar.
[18:48] <ubotu> New bug: #177718 in ubuntu "Launcher stops working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177718
[18:58] <ubotu> New bug: #177720 in ubuntu "writing iso to dvd gives "disk error aborting"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177720
[18:58] <ubotu> New bug: #177722 in python2.5 (main) "re.match.func_code.co_filename returns "re.py"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177722
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177725 in linux (main) "pnpacpi: exceeded the max number of mem/IO resources" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177725
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177727 in ubuntu "parted fails to 'not use' an existing LVM partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177727
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177728 in adept (main) "adept internet connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177728
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177729 in ubuntu "restricted driver reported as in-use but not enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177729
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177731 in ubuntu "kernel param vga=0x317 causes boot fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177731
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177734 in ppracer (universe) "crash when brightness was increased" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177734
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177736 in ubuntu "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor does not work with these 3 CPUs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177736
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177737 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177737
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177740 in twoftpd (universe) "twoftp-run fails to install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177740
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177742 in xfce4-utils (main) "[xubuntu-only] Can't find vendor infos" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177742
[20:44] <ubotu> New bug: #177745 in ubuntu "Login Window Preferences: custom welcome message does not take effect." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177745
[21:02] <ubotu> New bug: #177753 in totem (main) "Reproductor de películas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177753
[21:02] <ubotu> New bug: #177754 in firefox (main) "firefox has stopped loading pages, even router's ip. the connection is slow but most pages work ok in konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177754
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177756 in vsftpd (main) "vsftp does not run with defaults" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177756
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177759 in ubuntu "libtimidity needs packaging for gstreamer sw midi playback to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177759
[21:32] <bouchecl> philip, I am ready to test your patch fixing the nfsv4 regression in 2.6.22-14.47
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177760 in kmyfirewall (universe) "kmyfirewall 1.01 available since 2006-02-11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177760
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177761 in update-manager (main) "Update Manger Crashed During Feisty to Gusty Upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177761
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177763 in network-manager-applet (main) "network manager fails to see success of modem dial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177763
[22:12] <ubotu> New bug: #177764 in meta-kde (main) "typo: Hebrew weekdays too long and confusing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177764
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177766 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Wireless LED does not light up (network connection works)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177766
[22:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177768 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "iwl3945 takes too much time to load at boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177768
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177767 in ubuntu "/etc/resolv.conf is missing in fresh server install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177767
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177769 in kubuntu-meta (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177769
[22:35] <bouchecl> pawalls: I'm ready to test your patch. How would you like to proceed
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177770 in firestarter (universe) "PC isn't restarting after instal of firestarter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177770
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177771 in human-theme (main) "Graphical glitch in sliders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177771
[22:37] <pawalls> bouchecl, The patch is attached to the bug.
[22:37] <pawalls> You're welcome to patch the ubuntu kernel.
[22:37] <pawalls> bouchecl, Or if you'd prefer, I can send you the patched nfs.ko
[22:37] <pawalls> or a .deb
[22:37] <pawalls> bouchecl, Name your poison.
[22:37] <bouchecl> I'd like to have the ko
[22:38] <pawalls> Ok, make sure you back up your existing one in /lib/modules
[22:38] <bouchecl> I just have to drop it in /lib/modules/...
[22:38] <pawalls> Yeah.
[22:38] <bouchecl> good
[22:38] <pawalls> And then reload the kernel module (or reboot)
[22:38] <bouchecl> I'll have to update to 2.6.22-14.47 first right?
[22:39] <pawalls> bouchecl, Yes.
[22:39] <pawalls> Otherwise it wouldn't be a good test :)
[22:39] <bouchecl> :)
[22:40] <pawalls> bouchecl, I'll attach the .ko to the bug.
[22:43] <pawalls> bouchecl, Uploaded to bug.
[22:44] <bouchecl> Ready to restart. I'll give you a shout in a few minutes...
[22:44] <pawalls> bouchecl, Ok.
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177772 in firefox (main) "will not install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177772
[22:47] <bouchecl> pawalls: I'm back. It works! :)
[22:47] <pawalls> bouchecl, Great :)
[22:48] <pawalls> bouchecl, In the future, I know to do all of the QA myself ;)
[22:48] <bouchecl> Thank you very much for your help! It was appreciated!
[22:48] <bouchecl> Yes indeed!
[23:38] <ubotu> New bug: #177779 in bash (main) "Bash causes problem with PWMconfig" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177779
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177780 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus wouldn't let me rename a folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177780


[12:09] <xubuntu124> help. just learning about linux. did a clean install on this computer and trying to install a program called SCRATCH from the 'universe' but software centre says it can't download files and to check my internet connection. If it was off I wouldn't be here. Any suggestions? Thanks.
[12:12] <xubuntu124> its xubuntu 13.04
[12:40] <knome> xubuntu124, xubuntu 13.04 is end-of-life, eg. not supported any more
[12:41] <dkessel> xubuntu124: for a clean install, you should try using a supported version of xubuntu. xubuntu 16.04 and 16.10 are supported.
[12:43] <ElectroXexual> google-chrome is making my computer lag too much, what do I do?
[13:03] <xubuntu124> tks v much
[13:11] <knome> ElectroXexual, i guess stop using google chrome...?
[13:11] <knome> ElectroXexual, does this happen with all browsers or just chrome?
[13:11] <knome> ElectroXexual, how much RAM do you havE?
[13:13] <ElectroXexual> only with chrome, 2 GB of RAM
[13:13] <knome> and is it always or only when you do something specific like watch a video?
[13:14] <ElectroXexual> always
[13:15] <knome> then i guess the solution is to stop using chrome indeed...
[13:34] <xubuntu61w> I need help, yesterday I've just installed Xubuntu 16.04 on my PC. Everything work fine, but I've got a little problem, when I'm trying to enter GNOME Software it's turning off. I tried to restart, but everything is still the same. Anybody knows what it can be?
[13:37] <xangua> xubuntu61w: open a terminal and run: sudo apt update
[13:37] <xangua> Upload results in a paste site
[13:41] <xubuntu61w> accountsservice/xenial-updates 0.6.40-2ubuntu11.3 i386 [aktualizowany z: 0.6.40-2ubuntu11.1] apparmor/xenial-updates 2.10.95-0ubuntu2.5 i386 [aktualizowany z: 2.10.95-0ubuntu2] apport/xenial-updates 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.5 all [aktualizowany z: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.4] apport-gtk/xenial-updates 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.5 all [aktualizowany z: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.4] appstream/xenial-updates 0.9.4-1ubuntu2 i386 [aktualizowany z: 0.9.4-1ubuntu1] apt/xenia
[13:42] <knome> !pastebin | xubuntu61w
[13:44] <xubuntu61w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23863244/
[13:47] <knome> that's not the output of the requested command though
[13:49] <xubuntu61w> wait a second, i made a mistake
[13:49] <xubuntu61w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23863270/
[14:10] <xubuntu61w> I made an update and everything is alright now, thanks for the advices.
[19:28] <winter-triangle> hi fellas! hope you doing well
[19:28] <winter-triangle> anyone here using xubuntu with asus zenbook?
[19:31] <akxwi-dave> nope sorry.. Lenovo Thinkpad
[19:35] <winter-triangle> well... I'm sure you can help too. I've notices sometimes when I open up the lid networking stops working. I'm kinda newb and not familiar with Linux, can you get me some vectors how can I troubleshoot this case?:)
[19:35] <winter-triangle> can't even start the service
[19:37] <akxwi-dave> I'm assuming you have it going into suspend or hibernate...?
[19:38] <winter-triangle> you're absolutely right, my friend, into suspend
[19:40] <akxwi-dave> not had that myself ( I turn suspend off.. but have you looked at this  http://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade
[19:44] <winter-triangle> hmm, I've tried once to restart networking via 'service' command, and it was unable to start. Can you kindly share the expertise - in which logs or something I can dig? journalctl, maybe something else I do not know yet? :)
[19:45] <akxwi-dave> sorry thats a bit beyond me... if you hang about others should be on soonish
[19:46] <winter-triangle> aight, thanks in advance, pal)
[23:45] <Witwe> hi
[23:47] <Witwe> iso via dd to usb-stick. gparted says descriptor say 2048 linux means 512
[23:48] <Witwe> though the partition can be mount it's not bootable


[01:24] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[01:24] <SamuraiAlba> And to all a goo bacon!
[01:24] <SamuraiAlba> *good
[01:35] <waltman> mmm, bacon
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> Aye
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> About to order a new server
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> dual quad xeon
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> 8GB ram
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> ECC FB DDR2
[01:37] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[01:44] <SamuraiAlba> What have you been up to?
[06:01] <InHisName> 5'10"
[09:35] <rmg51> Morning
[10:04] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:06] <jackson_> morning
[11:06] <JonathanD> hi jackson_
[11:08] <jackson_> hay JonathanD  o/
[11:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:36] <InHisName> Morning
[12:25] <waltman> Morning.
[13:59] <ChinnoDog> bacon
[14:23] <jedijf> pistachios
[15:34] <ChinnoDog> bacon pistachio cookies
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> Best android twitter/facebook app. What is it?
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> I think Dossy said it was Seesmic once upon a time.
[22:04]  * pleia2 just uses the official ones
[22:05] <ChinnoDog> The official twitter app? I saw that, but... why is there an official app? I thought Twitter encouraged third party apps.
[22:06] <pleia2> pretty much all the news about twitter lately has been about them *shutting off* access to 3rd party apps and services
[22:06] <ChinnoDog> That is not nice of them
[22:12] <ChinnoDog> I do not even see evidence that the official twitter app will notify me of messages directed at me


[03:30] <VitalK> Hi Everyone! I have a probem with OTA updater on PinePhone. I had version 45, then downloaded version 46 but I didn't install it until today. Apparently, version 47 has downloaded so when update was finally installing version 46 it also installed version 47. Now I'm apparently on version 47 but GUI updater application show that Update 46 is downloaded and ready to install.
[03:31] <VitalK> How can I get rid of Update 46 in the updater application? Is there a way to clear its cache?
 crash or freeze?
 @Sam Hanna [do have 2fa set up?], No
[17:53] <ubptgbot> <Sam Hanna> it's working on my oneplus one
 Crash. Sometimes UT reboots, sometimes DK crashes ante that‘s all. Cleared the DK .cache too, but it does not help.
 @erfanoabdi [<reply to media>], awesome picture! It's a beautiful sight to see new devices running UT.
 @erfanoabdi [<reply to media>], 🙃🙃
 @erfanoabdi [sure … Moto Z 1gen … Moto Z2 Force … Moto G7 … Galaxy S9 … Redmi note 7], Is the S9 usable? Or still not ready for a daily driver?
 @Anghirrim [Is the S9 usable? Or still not ready for a daily driver?], It's 90% ready
 Fwd from erfanoabdi: sorry for off-topic but i'll just share it here once since there's no other 9810 that i'm aware of … steps of installing ubports on S9 (starlte): … 0) Boot to TWRP … 1) Format data  … 2) Flash vendor: https://build.lolinet.com/file/halium/starlte/vendor.img … 3) Flash halium-boot: https://build.lolinet.com/file/hal
[19:54] <ubptgbot> ium/starlte/halium-boot.img … 4) Flash firmwares: https://build.lolinet.com/file/halium/starlte/starlte-firmwares.zip … 5) Flash ubports GSI: https://build.lolinet.com/file/halium/GSI/ubports_GSI_installer_v8.zip … 6) Flash Samsung USB fix: https://build.lolinet.com/file/halium/GSI/tools/samsung-usb-tethering.zip … Bugs:  … 1) Audio incall … 2) Mob
[19:54] <ubptgbot> ile data (not sure about this)
 @erfanoabdi What abut nash, what doesn't works?
 @IuriJ30 [@erfanoabdi What abut nash, what doesn't works?], Mobile data broken on nash
 It will probably work if someone redo kernel from moto sources
 Ok, that ok. I will try then.
 same as s9 steps to flash?
 @erfanoabdi [It's 90% ready], Cool, is it usable to port for the S9+? I have a friend willing to use UPPorts, but he has a S9+
 He really wants to use convergence, so want to stick to a phone that has slimport or similar available
 @IuriJ30 [same as s9 steps to flash?], No nash is easier: … Format … Gsi … Halium boot … Console patch zip … Apparmor enabler zip
 When I say usable, I mean, sources and optimizations. Of course, I understand that Halium 9 must be ported to the S9+
 @Anghirrim [Cool, is it usable to port for the S9+? I have a friend willing to use UPPorts, …], Unfortunately i don't have s9+ so i didn't build vendor and halium boot for that device but my sources is all available in my GitHub … He can build himself
 Yep
 Was it complex to port on S9?
 Actually it's usable only a few ril bugs left that i might look into them later..
 Should we expect huge or similar difficulties?
 @Anghirrim [Was it complex to port on S9?], Nope … I can explain to you later..
 U don't need to build halium BTW
 Just build lineage 16
 ??????
 Not even the halium-boot?
 Halium boot can be done from lineage16 source too
 Basically u want lineage 16 vendor to boot GSI
 Yes, this I got. But star2lte is not a LOS official device
 I'll check if there are sources available somewhere
 But definitely not in Lineage github
 friends, this isn't @halium :)
 Sorry🙏
 @dohbee [friends, this isn't @halium :)], Oups yes sorry
 Last time I saw Erfan, was on Halium TG. So I did not even look at the upper side of my screen. 😂😂
 For the next OTA update you could try to implement a first boot animation like the one in the XPS 13 Ubuntu Edition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apx_HyxFqjA
 you can make something and submit a PR if you want
 but that is way too complicated and long
 @Pascal [Crash. Sometimes UT reboots, sometimes DK crashes ante that‘s all. Cleared the D …], Regarding Dekko on Pinephone... Theres already an issue for that: https://gitlab.com/dekkan/dekko/-/issues/84
 Although it might not be a bug in dekko, maybe better join the dekko user group for further discussions and debugging to keep the noise low here
 https://t.me/DekkoUsersGroup
 (Photo, 640x480) https://irc.ubports.com/0F09LWIA.png
 (Photo, 640x480) https://irc.ubports.com/K7QXYvAN.png
 usb camera (and microscope) now working on the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu Touch.
 [Edit] USB camera (and microscope) now working on the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu Touch. Photos taken using the camera app.
 Which channel is the most stable that still supports Anbox on OnePlus One? Is it still on Devel?
 stable is obviously the most stable channel
 Good night is someone know about multiroom?
 Or hello? 😂
 multirom is not supported
 So definitely not supported?
 I mean
 Impossible to do?
 i mean, system updates don't work with it and we do not support running UT on it
 some people may have gotten an image booting with it on their device, but it's a "you break it and it's all yours" sort of thing
 So it's possible to dual boot but I cannot update?
 it depends on your device, requires a patched version of multirom, and no updates won't work for UT with it. as i said, it's unsupported
 please don't PM people without permission
 Sorry
 you cannot use multirom on bq devices
 OK thanks
 sigh why do people ask things, have a conversation, and then delete all their messages for no reason
 no need for that
 Oh I'm sorry to don't ask permission
 And I deleted them because I was ashamed
[22:14] <ikmaak> louis: the conversation is important to ubports, it builds the knowledge base
[22:15] <ikmaak> never be ashamed to learn :)
 Well...
 My question was dumb
[22:16] <ikmaak> so?
[22:17] <ikmaak> also i did learn about ubports and multiboot because of it...
 So I removed everything out of shame that's all
 it wasn't dumb
[22:18] <ikmaak> no need to shame, be proud you taught people :)
[22:19] <ikmaak> i think it was a good question, i didn't even think it could be an issue...
 I forgot to ask permission before I went to speak in private and I was ashamed of it and I'm feel dumb
[22:19] <ikmaak> ow, i cannot see what exactly you deleted
 nothing to be ashamed of really
[22:20] <ikmaak> it is better to try and find out, than to just give up. now everybody remembers PM can be too much for some.
[22:20] <ikmaak> thanks Louis!
 I'm just going to talk to nan privately forgetting to ask permission and I was ashamed ...
[22:21] <ikmaak> as i said before, no need for shame just because you missed some etiquette rule :)
 @dohbee [nothing to be ashamed of really], For me a little
[22:22] <ikmaak> as a pennance, you can answer someone elses question soon :P
 @ikmaak [as i said before, no need for shame just because you missed some etiquette rule …], Well for forgetting it makes me feel ashamed
 and there's nothing wrong with bearing a little shame every one in a while to learn something new
 nobody else cares so much about it :)
[22:23] <ikmaak> Louis: no need, it is not the norm on the internet to be ashamed for the wrong move in earnest. So i understand cultural norms, but the internet has different norms! :)
 anyway, i don't think we need to keep discussing it further at this point
[22:24] <ikmaak> yes
[22:24] <ikmaak> would ubports rpi4 work with the official touchscreen?
 @dohbee [anyway, i don't think we need to keep discussing it further at this point], Yes I think to 😅
[22:26] <ikmaak> well, i did not even know you could delete chats :(
 @ikmaak [would ubports rpi4 work with the official touchscreen?], when UT works on pi4 i guess touchscreen should theoretically work, though apparently there are issues with edge swiping on the pi touch screen on pi3
 @ikmaak [well, i did not even know you could delete chats :(], Happy that for once I could help someone 😂
[22:28] <ikmaak> louis: 2nd time already!
[22:29] <ikmaak> dohbee: that is strange. i think this issue would then also happen with pi4
[22:30] <ikmaak> it has 10x multitouch... so should also be capable of recognising swipes
[22:30] <ikmaak> but maybe it is just the edge thing that is handled differently
 @ikmaak [dohbee: that is strange. i think this issue would then also happen with pi4], It's only the raspberry pi 4?
 @dohbee [stable is obviously the most stable channel], I mean, does it have Anbox support yet? Or do I still use the Devel branch?
 I'm setting up a device for a friend and need to know which branch supports the anbox img for "bacon"
 @nerd7473 [I mean, does it have Anbox support yet? Or do I still use the Devel branch?], technically no UT images have "anbox support" yet. it is an experimental feature and not part of the default images. if you mean just the kernel module support part, i don't know. just try to set up anbox on stable, and if it doesn't work, switch to a
[22:38] <ubptgbot> different channel and try there?
 afaik though, there is no separate boot img that needs flashed any more on op1 or nexus5 at least
[22:39] <ikmaak> Louis: i only have a pi4 with the screen....
 @ikmaak [Louis: i only have a pi4 with the screen....], No I mean
 Is it possible on raspberry pi 3?
 Or 3 plus?
 Or 3b
 @dohbee [technically no UT images have "anbox support" yet. it is an experimental feature …], Got it, I'll start off with Stable and wok forewards if the img doesn't work right.
[22:40] <ikmaak> it seems there is issues in pi3, and noone has tried on 4 yet
[22:41] <ikmaak> i do not know any more than doh_bee told us.
 @ikmaak [it seems there is issues in pi3, and noone has tried on 4 yet], Oh OK 😊
 When mouse selection was badly broken on Ubuntu Touch on the Pi 3B+ I found the touchscreen was vital to get anywhere. Selection was mostly fine but edge swipes and pulling down menus would not work so I needed to use the mouse too. Too much plugging and unplugging means the connector for touchscreen is no longer working on my Pi 3 so
[22:45] <ubptgbot>  I can't test at present.
[22:47] <ikmaak> so it could be it is already fixed. how long ago were your tests?
 @ikmaak [it seems there is issues in pi3, and noone has tried on 4 yet], There is a significant graphics issue on the Pi 4, we can test things like wifi, sound and bluetooth using ssh but can't yet use the gui :(
[22:49] <ikmaak> ow. is there info i could provide? i got one right here
 Someone tried around three weeks back.
[22:53] <ikmaak> ok, i expect someone else will be more knowledgable then. i just got the setup pi4&tscreen setup, it would just need a reboot...
 @ikmaak [ow. is there info i could provide? i got one right here], The Pi group has lots of discussion and the pinned post should have enough info to get you started. https://t.me/UBports_pi
[22:57] <ikmaak> i hope it is also somewhere in wiki or forum. i got no telegram, and am here via irc..
[23:01] <ikmaak> but ill find it. maybe things have improved once i get around to it :)
[23:03] <ubptgbot> DMR Yuliya was added by: DMR Yuliya
 @ikmaak [but ill find it. maybe things have improved once i get around to it :)], https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/raspberry-pi-266
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/V2vXv43a.png
 @MenmuirMark [<reply to media>], Screenshot from Pi 4 running UT - you cannot even see that but if you login then press PrtSc it records what you should see. :(
[23:19] <ikmaak> i read that one, but it only states 'once issues are sorted the 2-4GB Pi 4 will run UT much more smoothly.'
[23:20] <ikmaak> wow, strange that it only happens to the window, not the top bar
[23:22] <ubptgbot> RohbsonS was added by: RohbsonS
[23:24] <ikmaak> 'Touch screen works quite well if you are lucky enough to have one and makes selection so much easier.' sounds like a good sign.
 @hummlbach [https://t.me/DekkoUsersGroup], It’s exactly the problem i encounter. Thank you !
[23:57] <ubptgbot> Hossain Mary was added by: Hossain Mary


[00:39] <ShawnR__> hello
[00:40] <ShawnR__> anyone here have luck with installing nvidia optimus drivers in 11.10? i'm only running on intel right now, can't seem to figure it out
[00:42] <ShawnR__> or is optimus still not supported?
[00:46] <govatent> I don't think it's supported yet.
[00:46] <govatent> I heard they are working on it.
[00:46] <govatent> But I don't know 100 percent. I sat in on a session about it at UDS.
[00:47] <govatent> I was told to avoid optimus for now. Can  you set it to nvidia only in the bios?
[00:49] <ShawnR__> i haven't checked that in bios, i'll take a look and see
[00:49] <ShawnR__> i was really excited about this laptop, but i thought the issue was hot switching, not NOT being able to use the nvidia at all :/
[00:49] <ShawnR__> would be nicer than the built in intel video
[00:50] <ShawnR__> this laptop is great in windows, but the elantech touchpad is super senative and not configurable much (elantech mousepads are just about as supported as optimus)
[00:50] <ShawnR__> that's a /fail on my end... but it was too nice of a price on the laptop to pass up
[00:55] <govatent> I think you can set it for nvidia only. you just lose the nice power savings from the intel card.
[00:55] <ShawnR__> nope :(
[00:55] <ShawnR__> not on this one
[00:56] <ShawnR__> i might be on asus's website right now looking for a bios update though... lol
[00:56] <govatent> oh i saw it on a thinkpad i was working with
[00:56] <ShawnR__> this bios is really limited in features :(
[00:56] <govatent> I just found out what a grave mistake I made with my mac. they seem to have a power problem.  Mobo was one amazing board. - the crummy gpu. but the casing was utter rubbish
[00:58] <ShawnR__> oh, well, i've never been pleased with toshiba
[00:58] <ShawnR__> their P4 HT (desktop CPU in a laptop) blue cases were the worst design for heat and a really bad CPU for a bad thermal design
[00:59] <govatent> the mac has been good so far. Owned it about a month. waiting for 12.04 or gonna run gentoo. but that aside, I just noticed a few mins ago there is a power problem when under a heavy load
[00:59] <ShawnR__> i also couldn't stand the ones for a while where toshiba put the ~ key left of the space bar and Del was where the context menu button is and the windows key was up where delete was
[00:59] <govatent> yea i remember that
[00:59] <ShawnR__> hmm
[00:59] <ShawnR__> i really just don't like their keys and touchpads
[01:00] <ShawnR__> if not for that, i was very envious of the macbook air
[01:00] <govatent> i just got my dad an asus for the holidays. and i agree. very limited bios options. although great ubuntu machine
[01:00] <ShawnR__> if i wanted a smaller screen, that newer asus super thin one is REALLY nice
[01:00] <govatent> but this is just an i5 and intel only gpu
[01:01] <ShawnR__> yeah, i5 myself here, it is a company laptop and couldn't justify to myself getting an i7 (my father's company, don't want to take advantage)
[01:01] <govatent> I really wanted a system76. but there was no way it was in my budget. next laptop for sure will be a 76. or whatever the major linux laptop maker will be at the time.
[01:01] <ShawnR__> never heard of system76
[01:01] <govatent> oh man look em up
[01:01] <ShawnR__> built with HW in mind specifically for linux?
[01:01] <govatent> they make ubuntu computers
[01:01] <govatent> ill link you
[01:01] <ShawnR__> nice
[01:01] <ShawnR__> thanks
[01:01] <govatent> http://www.system76.com/
[01:01] <mhall119> govatent: zareason is the other big Ubuntu maker
[01:02] <govatent> I kind of wanna return the mac now cause of this power issue. but not sure i can cause of the discount i got.
[01:02] <govatent> it works fine. i just don't know if this will be a major issue down the road
[01:02] <govatent> and thanks for that info mhall119
[01:03] <govatent> ShawnR__: the reason i did not get the system76 was lack of financing options.
[01:04] <govatent> I am glad i did not use my credit card for it. they have been killing me with interest now.
[01:04] <ShawnR__> i was about to say without the winders license, should be cheaper and def. cheaper than a mac
[01:04] <ShawnR__> i needed a windows license in case i needed windows for work (crossing my fingers i never will)
[01:04] <govatent> I got 25% off the mac price.
[01:04] <govatent> and one year to pay it off
[01:04] <ShawnR__> nice
[01:05] <govatent> i have a friend at apple
[01:05] <ShawnR__> so you only paid $1500? lol (just kidding.... kinda)
[01:05] <govatent> :P more like 1430 lmao
[01:05] <ShawnR__> wow, i was close :)
[01:05] <govatent> lenovo was near the same price but 6 months to pay it off
[01:06] <ShawnR__> you coulda got a new credit card and did a balance transfer with a year no interest and got a system76 and for cheaper :P
[01:06] <govatent> damit!!!
[01:06] <ShawnR__> sure that would be a lot of work, but worth it, eh?
[01:06] <govatent> very much so !
[01:06] <ShawnR__> i mean, not that i've vever done that before or anything
[01:06] <govatent> i think that would work.
[01:07] <govatent> i had not thought of that
[01:07] <ShawnR__> yeah, so long as your credit is good, find a good "Balance transfer" deal
[01:07] <ShawnR__> buy it on your old CC, then balance transfer to the new one
[01:07] <govatent> yea. school loans have not kicked into my name yet... :P
[01:09] <govatent> Wish I had thought of that option before i got the mac.
[01:09] <govatent> well can't have any regrets now
[01:10] <balloons> govatent, what kind of mac you get?
[01:11] <govatent> I got the current gen 15" with quad i7 2.2 with 4 gb of ram. i swapped the hdd for a 7200 rpm. the problem i am having seems to be on most models though.
[01:11] <govatent> I think it might have something to do with osx sucking though :P
[01:12] <ShawnR__> lol
[01:12] <balloons> i have the early 2011 model, 17 inch
[01:13] <balloons> i'm guessing you got the hw updated one
[01:13] <balloons> some folks have done a ton of work on making them work nicely in ubuntu..
[01:13] <balloons> including things like efi booting and using vga switcheroo
[01:14] <balloons> just not for the faint of heart. I'm guessing Precise+1 will have very nice support for everything. Precise does everything out of the box on mine now, minus the fancy efi botting
[01:15] <govatent> I already tried the alpha
[01:15] <govatent> so far its amazing!
[01:15] <govatent> not sure where we will be with the dual gpu. but i don't mind using just the amd one
[01:15] <balloons> it was not so cool on natty
[01:16] <govatent> i actually got 11.10 running
[01:16] <govatent> its not tough
[01:16] <govatent> but unlike in 12.04 you must do a lot of things by hand
[01:16] <govatent> much so for the wifi
[01:16] <balloons> well, if your adventerous at this point you can efi boot and set intel only graphics (on mine anyway), thereby matching the mac os x battery life
[01:17] <govatent> i did the efi boot. i just got a black screen. it was having issues with the dual gpu stuff.
[01:17] <govatent> i guess
[01:18] <govatent> with mbr based boot everything worked fine. just no access to the intel gpu
[01:18] <govatent> i think dual gpus is just something that is being worked on even outside of the mac setups
[01:19] <balloons> govatent, yes your right.. not much support anywhere as of yet
[01:19] <govatent> have you had issues with your laptop showing not charging when under heavy load?
[01:19] <balloons> no, no power issues I'm aware of
[01:19] <govatent> like right now mine is not charging. the mag light is green. but my battery is dead. if i kill skype it will charge just fine.
[01:20] <balloons> it's been my primary work pc for some time
[01:20] <balloons> well.. since I got it in March :-)
[01:20] <govatent> ill have to ring apple about it i guess. don't look forward to that call
[01:20] <balloons> this under mac?
[01:20] <govatent> ?
[01:21] <govatent> oh yea
[01:21] <govatent> sorry i did not get what you were asking
[01:21] <govatent> i won't be using ubuntu till 12.04
[01:22] <govatent> or at least like a beta build
[01:22] <balloons> gotcha.. so yea, let that wonderful apple quality care take care of the not charging issue
[01:22] <govatent> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2787732?start=0&tstart=0
[01:22] <balloons> if it's new and not working, they should fix you up ;-)
[01:23] <govatent> it just started charging randomly
[01:23] <balloons> wow.. that's pretty neat haha
[01:23] <govatent> you should be aware of the issue in case you run into problems
[01:24] <govatent> balloons: ping
[01:30] <balloons> sorry
[01:30] <balloons> well in my case, the laptop isn't mine
[01:31] <balloons> and I've hated it :-) But i don't have to use it anymore after tomorrow, so i'm in luck on that front
[01:32] <govatent> ah
[01:33] <balloons> i find the mac keyboards lack of essential buttons annoying and the mac os lack of sometimes basic features like window management aggravating also
[01:34] <balloons> but as usual, the build quality is bar none.. hardware is always touch noch from apple..
[01:36] <govatent> lmao
[01:42] <govatent> brb dinner calls.
[01:42] <govatent> gonna log off for dinner to let the machine cool off. be back in a bit
[02:25] <govatent_> test
[12:52] <mhall119> dang it's cold out
[12:54] <svwilliams> 22 in gville
[12:54] <svwilliams> I saw the high in miami was upper 60's which is cold for them
[12:59] <zoopster> it's too cold
[12:59] <zoopster> and it's only 34 here
[13:01] <mhall119> 30 here
[13:01] <mhall119> well, 33 now that the sun is up
[13:01] <zoopster> it was 38 closer to the water at dawn...love that influence!
[13:02] <zoopster> still to cold no matter how you look at it
[13:02] <zoopster> or too cold even
[13:06] <svwilliams> lol
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> I was looking to get the new year started right by biking to work.
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> That's not happening.
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> I have my pride, but my sanity also.
[14:12] <maxolasersquad> It was supposed to get down to the teens last night.
[14:14] <maxolasersquad> And my crazy cat insisted on spending the night outdoors.
[14:18] <svwilliams> my dog seems to find it invigorating he goes from napping to crazy after a quick trip outdoors.  I don't think he would go in side if it were for the fact that we live in a condo and I'm not staying outside with thim


[09:26] <asac> hmm
[09:49] <armin76> bumb
[09:51] <asac> armin76: you have a vanilla ffox install?
[09:51] <asac> armin76: whats the url of firstrun page?
[09:51] <armin76> vanilla?
[09:51] <asac> armin76: yes, tso that you can answer the question ;)
[09:52] <armin76> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/<IP_ADDRESS>/firstrun/
[09:52] <armin76> that?
[10:02] <asac> armin76: does that page give you anything?
[10:02] <armin76> 404
[10:02] <asac> armin76: whats up?
[10:03] <armin76> what?
[10:07] <asac> armin76: that cant be the right firstrun page ;)
[10:07] <asac> armin76: as you said: 404 :-P
[10:07] <armin76> it is
[10:07] <asac> armin76: then why is it 404?
[10:08] <asac> there is no version at all
[10:08] <asac> 3.0.2 3.0.3 <IP_ADDRESS> ... nothign works
[10:08] <armin76> yeah, because its http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/<IP_ADDRESS>/firstrun/
[10:09] <asac> ah
[10:09] <armin76> if you build from source you get that 404, but if you use the binary from mozilla.com, you get the one that works
[10:09] <asac> stupid stuff
[10:09] <asac> [reed]: ^^ why dont you redirect that "not-locale" page?
[10:10] <asac> oh ... its even mozilla.org :/
[11:09] <ptux> hi. i'm using firefox3.0.3 on ubuntu 8.04 and my browser ask me to save the password just of a few websites, not all. as i've not established any ecception, can anybody explain me the reason of this problem?
[11:16] <asac> ptux: hard to say
[11:16] <asac> most likely a website bug?
[11:17] <ptux> mmh a yahoo bug, then?
[11:17] <ptux> but with yahoo also other websites..
[12:03] <suzhe> asac: ping
[12:06] <asac> suzhe: hi
[12:13] <suzhe> asac: I finally fixed the libmozjs dependency issue, following your suggestion. :-)
[12:13] <suzhe> asac: thank you so much for your kindly help.
[12:14] <suzhe> asac: the code is at: http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/source/browse/trunk/extensions/smjs_script_runtime/libmozjs_glue.h
[12:14] <suzhe> asac: and libmozjs_glue.cc
[12:14] <suzhe> asac: in case you are interested in it :-)
[12:20] <asac> suzhe: cool. let me check
[12:21] <asac> suzhe: you should use 1.9.0.* as maxversion
[12:21] <asac> unless you know that 1.9.* will always be compatible
[12:21] <asac> suzhe: at best that max/min version would be detected at build time for now
[12:21] <asac> (assuming that the ABI/API is stable for the then current product line)
[12:22] <suzhe> asac: Hmm, I'm wondering will ubuntu 8.10 upgrade xulrunner from 1.9.0.x to 1.9.1.x later?
[12:22] <asac> suzhe: and use 1.9 as minversion
[12:22] <asac> what happened during alphas is at best unknown
[12:23] <asac> suzhe: most likely we will go for 1.9.1 as default in 9.04
[12:23] <asac> suzhe: but we allow users to install 1.9.1 next to 1.9.0 already
[12:23] <asac> suzhe: install xulrunner-1.9.1 (and firefox-3.1) from fta archive if you want to test
[12:23] <suzhe> asac: how about having a configure option to specify it? so that packagers can change it without changing the source code.
[12:23] <suzhe> asac: I'll have a try.
[12:24] <asac> suzhe: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
[12:24] <suzhe> asac: thanks.
[12:24] <asac> suzhe: i have to think abit about it.
[12:24] <asac> suzhe: e.g. where to get a decent version from
[12:24] <asac> (at best using official things from the -devel package9
[12:25] <asac> suzhe: ok. could we use you glue lib as kind of wrapper lib?
[12:25] <asac> e.g. so people that want to use mozjs could link against that lib ... where we could track abi/api for
[12:25] <suzhe> asac: feel free to use it.
[12:25] <asac> hmm
[12:25] <asac> suzhe: just thinking if that would be helpful to have that in general
[12:25] <asac> but most likely its not
[12:26] <asac> but cool
[12:26] <suzhe> asac: actually the glue is generated from a shell script.
[12:26] <asac> suzhe: did you commit that too?
[12:26] <suzhe> asac: yes, gen_libmozjs_glue.sh
[12:26] <suzhe> asac: you can find it in the same directory.
[12:26] <asac> suzhe: and how do you link all this now?
[12:26] <asac> with dependent glue linkage?
[12:27] <asac> let me check the makefile
[12:27] <suzhe> asac: it requires xpcomglue
[12:27] <suzhe> asac: actually I use the link flags from libxul-gtkmozembed-embedding.pc
[12:27] <asac> suzhe: there are two ways: e.g. pkg-config --libs libxul(-unstable) ... or libxul-embedding(-unstable)
[12:27] <asac> suzhe: hmm ... thats a legacy pc thing. you should one of the above
[12:28] <asac> let me check which
[12:28] <asac> err
[12:28] <asac> that doesnt exist here
[12:28] <asac> ah mozilla
[12:28] <suzhe> asac: oh, I'm using mozilla-gtkmozembed-embedding or libxul-embedding-unstable
[12:28] <asac> suzhe: yeah. use libxul-embedding-unstable
[12:29] <suzhe> asac: what's different between libxul-* and mozilla-*
[12:29] <suzhe> ?
[12:29] <asac> the mozilla-* thing is just an attempt to provide something that has the same name as in ffox 2 ... but its at best confusing as there is no such thing as a single pc file anymore
[12:29] <asac> so we should use the "new" ones in new code
[12:29] <suzhe> asac: ok I see.
[12:30] <asac> suzhe: previously it was just mozilla-gtkmozembed-embedding for everything. now we have dependent glue (libxul) and standalone glue (libxul-embedding)
[12:30] <asac> mozilla-gtkmozembed-embedding just pretends that everything is the same as before
[12:30] <asac> i think other distros got that in because that allowed them to build their packages without modification ... but then they realized that they need to change the code too in order to load the glue in the standalone case
[12:31] <suzhe> asac: I'm wondering if some distros doesn't have libxul-*?
[12:31] <asac> suzhe: no. all should have that for 1.9 ... otherwise they are stupid
[12:32] <asac> its the upstream .pc file
[12:32] <suzhe> asac: I see.
[12:32] <suzhe> asac: thanks a lot.
[12:33] <asac> welcome
[12:58] <gnomefreak> has anyone worked on the extension upgrade prosses yet?
[13:03] <asac> gnomefreak: volans
[13:03] <asac> he is a bit busy though
[13:03] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[13:03] <asac> gnomefreak: there are a bunch of scripts somewhere
[13:04] <asac> most stuff should be there
[13:04] <asac> someone just needs to plumber that together to a cron job or something
[13:04] <asac> and fill in missing gaps
[13:04] <gnomefreak> ill look for them in a bit. im trying to figure out who someone is atm
[13:04] <asac> sure
[13:07] <gnomefreak> are they on wikis?
[13:11] <gnomefreak> asac: do you have a bug number for "No description found in plugin database" whenchoosing flash plugin
[13:24] <gnomefreak> asac: what are we doing with compiz releated bugs in firefox. eg: firefox doesnt crash with compiz disabled
[13:35] <asac> gnomefreak: reassign to compiz i would say
[13:35] <gnomefreak> ok.
[13:36] <asac> gnomefreak: no. they should post individual bugs against the package that doesnt have a description
[13:36] <asac> gnomefreak: which package is that?
[13:36] <gnomefreak> looking for the bug atm
[13:36] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 202816
[13:36] <gnomefreak> oh nevermind i missed the invalid
[13:37] <gnomefreak> oops
[13:37] <gnomefreak> bug 209499 is right bug
[13:45] <gnomefreak> be back restart
[14:10] <gnomefreak> shredder is broken :(
[14:10] <fta> ?
[14:11] <fta> mine?
[14:12] <asac> fta: is that a re-question on a question from me?
 shredder is broken :(
[14:12] <asac> k ;)
[14:12] <fta> asac, did you ask me something?
[14:12] <gnomefreak> fta: yes yours or upstream broken
[14:13] <fta> gnomefreak, noone complained
[14:13] <gnomefreak> fta: the start-up page is 404  apache not found or something like that. and nightly enigmail cant be used with it
[14:13] <gnomefreak> fta: hence why im telling you now
[14:13] <fta> the start page is always broken, even for ff. blame [reed]
[14:14] <gnomefreak> ff works fine last i checked in 3.0.3
[14:14] <fta> yep, 3.0.3 is a release, not a snapshot
[14:19] <gnomefreak> 3.0 bookmarks not working for anyone?
[14:19] <gnomefreak> oops
[14:19] <gnomefreak> 3.1
[14:19] <gnomefreak> i saved the enigmail link and its not in bookmarks menu
[14:23] <gnomefreak> working on enigmail issue it seems everyone is seeing it
[14:32] <gnomefreak> ok damnit .96a doesnt work
[14:40]  * gnomefreak think the Mozilla dev have lost htier mind :(
[14:40] <gnomefreak> thier
[14:41] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[14:55] <gnomefreak> ha found issue lets see if i cant fix it ;)
[15:00] <gnomefreak>  <em:minVersion>3.0b2</em:minVersion>
[15:00] <gnomefreak>         <em:maxVersion>3.0.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[15:00] <gnomefreak> that is right :(
[15:00] <gnomefreak> oh no its not
[15:38] <gnomefreak> what is the med-* command to build tarball from .xpi?
[15:44] <gnomefreak> i found it
[16:11] <newz2000> Hi, anyone notice in the last couple days firefox's ctrl+f search is now case sensitive?
[16:12] <newz2000> (intrepid beta btw)
[16:12] <newz2000> I think this is a bug but wanted to check before I reported it
[16:13] <newz2000> oh, just found the checkbox that says "match case"
[16:13] <thunderstruck> theres an option
[16:14] <newz2000> good thing I only made a fool of myself here in front of 34 people than in launchpad for the whole world to see. :-)
[16:29] <fta> :)
[16:31]  * gnomefreak starting to hate enigmail
[16:32] <gnomefreak> not as easy as you would think
[16:35] <fta> gnomefreak, does it work with upstream tb3 ?
[16:36] <gnomefreak> fta: no .rdf version is wrong
[16:36] <gnomefreak> i fixed that but still running into configure issues due to not having a configure.sh thunderbird-3*
[16:36] <fta> well, this is a detail, if you tweak/force it, does it work?
[16:37] <gnomefreak> configure.sh.THUNDERBIRD_1_5_RELEASE and configure.sh.THUNDERBIRD_2_0_0_0_RELEASE are causing one issue
[16:37] <gnomefreak> AFAICT they look the same
[16:38]  * asac feels tired :/
[16:38]  * fta too
[16:38] <gnomefreak> why have separate config files instead of using rules to set options
[16:38] <asac> gnomefreak: is that enigmail?
[16:38] <gnomefreak> damn
[16:38] <gnomefreak> wait
[16:38] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah
[16:39] <gnomefreak> i can unpack .xpi and repack it and test
[16:39] <asac> gnomefreak: my advice is: don't try to touch that
[16:39] <asac> gnomefreak: it comes directly from hell ;)
[16:39] <gnomefreak> what is med-pack?
[16:39] <asac> need a medic ;)
[16:39] <gnomefreak> asac: that it does
[16:39] <gnomefreak> :)
[16:40] <asac> gimme a medpack
[16:40] <asac> ;)
[16:41] <asac> gnomefreak: enigmail needs to be redone from scratch
[16:41] <gnomefreak> asac: im seeing that
[16:41] <asac> that things is really lost (otherwise i would have upgraded it to 0.95)
[16:41] <asac> err 0.99 ;)
[16:41] <asac> or whatever is the latest
[16:41] <gnomefreak> im working on 0.96a just to test with tbird-3
[16:42] <gnomefreak> i just need a pack command for med
[16:42] <gnomefreak> unpack == easy
[16:43] <gnomefreak> none of our wikis goes into detail on the med-* commands atleast none that i saw
[16:43]  * asac migrates somewhere else
[16:44] <gnomefreak> i think i did it :)
[16:44] <gnomefreak> well its there lets see if it helps
[16:45] <gnomefreak> it worked
[16:45] <gnomefreak> now lets test it
[16:49] <gnomefreak> asac: i sent you email to your ubuntu.com address let me know if signed
[16:53] <gnomefreak> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/firefox-extensions/enigmail.upstream is fixed version just need to med-xpi-pack enigmail.upstream nameofxpiyouwant
[16:55] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. most likely enigmail  might be special though. but future will tell
[16:55] <asac> gnomefreak: oh
[16:55] <asac> gnomefreak: well. med-xpi stuff doesnt work for enigmail ... thats for sure
[16:56] <asac> gnomefreak: it has binary components that need to be built ... so we need real sources
[16:57] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[17:00] <gnomefreak> now if shredder b1 was released we dont need to change .rdf
[17:10] <asac> gnomefreak: we need to redo the enigmail package completely
[17:10] <asac> and we cant use the default med-xpi stuff
[17:10] <gnomefreak> right
[17:11] <gnomefreak> i dont see that happening for a while though (not real high on importance as see it since tbird2 works with our version
[17:11] <gnomefreak> (*
[17:11] <gnomefreak> if it wors for me im happy with it for now
[18:58] <asac> ok ... taking my time off tonight. cu tomorrow (or real late)
[19:05] <fta> hm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/62119/
[19:05] <fta> asac, ^^ (if you're still there)
[19:20] <fta> nm, the usual symlink mess
[22:44] <nxvl> hi! did someone knows where can i find the "Firefox is already running" dialog?
[22:44] <nxvl> as in the source of it
[23:13] <fta> stevel, i will let asac answer your questions about SLA and policies, i prefer to stay out of the legal/political business.
[23:13] <fta> asac, ^^ see bug 94494
[23:32] <asac> fta: hey. anything i can answer in semi-drunk state?
[23:32] <asac> :)
[23:33] <asac> nxvl: this sounds like you are trying to do something scary. whats the root cause of whatever idea you had ;)?
[23:40]  * asac Nafallo i mean E51
[23:40] <Nafallo> asac: yea. thought so :-)
[23:41] <asac> Nafallo: oops
[23:41] <asac> Nafallo: thats how irssi works. discriminating the poor drunk people here3
[23:42] <Nafallo> lol
[23:42] <Nafallo> asac: I'm sure it loves you anyway :-)
[23:47] <stevel> fta: no worries, thanks :)
[23:53] <fta> stevel, i have a bunch of issues with sb trunk.
[23:53] <stevel> fta: what's wrong?
[23:53] <fta> profile upgrade from 0.6 to trunk
[23:54] <fta> i ended up with no song in my library, and tons of errors in the error console
[23:54] <fta> a huge memory leak, 2G in 10 minutes
[23:55] <fta> several aborts
[23:56] <fta> and no sound at all since it last crashed
[23:57] <fta> stevel, ^^
[23:57] <fta> well, no sound + the leak
[23:58] <stevel> yech. do you have the same issue if you create a new profile?


[17:31] <jphilips> if there is a bug due to resuming from suspend, what package should that be filed against?
[19:10] <jphilips> bluesabre: what is the best option for this, so it doesn't trigger a retranslation - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/pull/3


[16:04] <mdeslaur> sorry, running late
[16:50] <mdeslaur> ah, timezone fail
[17:00]  * slangasek waves
[17:00] <pitti> hello
[17:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[17:00] <infinity> o/
[17:00]  * stgraber waves
[17:00] <kees> \o
[17:00] <mdeslaur> did london move, or did the time change there? :P
[17:00] <infinity> And the gang's all here!
[17:01] <pitti> mdeslaur: DST change last weekend
[17:01] <stgraber> mdeslaur: europe DST starts a week before north american DST
[17:01] <pitti> and ends three weeks after
[17:01] <infinity> #startmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 28 17:01:27 2014 UTC.  The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:01] <pitti> (end of Oct in EU, start of Oct in US)
[17:01] <slangasek> strange that I didn't see anyone mentioning this DST change on lists
[17:01] <infinity> [TOPIC] Action review
[17:02] <infinity> Oh, meetingology doesn't have topic rights here, does it?  Silly.
[17:03] <infinity> Anyhow, the one pending action is "Adam is a slacker and hasn't responded to the MAAS thing yet", so let's move on so that guy can save face.
[17:03] <infinity> Riddell: Are you here to discuss the two things you wanted to hit early in the meeting before you have to leave?
[17:04] <infinity> *tick, tick, tick*
[17:04] <infinity> Right, we'll leave his items until he pops up.
[17:04] <pitti> well, we can start the owncloud thing
[17:04] <pitti> which seems like a no-brainer to me
[17:05] <pitti> I responded to the bug and the ML
[17:05] <infinity> pitti: No-brainer, as in you're +1 on uploading empty packages?
[17:05] <pitti> yes
[17:05] <mdeslaur> it's quite unfortunate that nobody stepped up, but I'd rather +1 on empty packages too, rather than leaving in old crusty versions
[17:06] <mdeslaur> especially since upstream asked
[17:06] <pitti> it's ugly, but still better than leaving it vulnerable
[17:06] <infinity> [VOTE] replace owncloud packages with empty stubs, since no one's willing to maintain it
[17:06] <meetingology> Please vote on: replace owncloud packages with empty stubs, since no one's willing to maintain it
[17:06] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[17:06] <infinity> +1
[17:06] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[17:06] <pitti> +1
[17:06] <meetingology> +1 received from pitti
[17:06] <mdeslaur> +1
[17:06] <meetingology> +1 received from mdeslaur
[17:06] <stgraber> +1
[17:06] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[17:06] <slangasek> hmm
[17:06] <kees> +1
[17:06] <meetingology> +1 received from kees
[17:07] <slangasek> well, I would've appreciated a bit of discussion time here
[17:07] <infinity> slangasek: FWIW (and this may influence your vote), the empty stubs contain instructions on how to install it from both upstream's builds and juju charms.
[17:07]  * pitti is running the owncloud debs from upstream, they work reasonably well and get updated
[17:07] <slangasek> infinity: and is there a debconf notice at install time?
[17:07] <infinity> slangasek: But feel free to vote FD. ;)
[17:07] <pitti> not in the current upload
[17:07] <kees> can we document the "empty upload" policy so we can reuse it when we hit these things again?
[17:08] <pitti> FWIW, I was voting about the general "replace them with empty stub", not the precise implementation; debconf seems fine to me, too
[17:08] <infinity> slangasek: I'd think a double-whammy of NEWS.Debian and a debconf note might help.
[17:08] <slangasek> I do think this is the right principle
[17:08] <slangasek> but it's important that the user who upgrades knows what's what
[17:08] <infinity> Happy to have someone document one of both of those as a requirement in the bug to go with our decision.
[17:08] <slangasek> so on that basis, +1
[17:08] <slangasek> +1
[17:08] <meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
[17:09] <infinity> s/one of/one or/
[17:09] <infinity> [ENDVOTE]
[17:09] <meetingology> Voting ended on: replace owncloud packages with empty stubs, since no one's willing to maintain it
[17:09] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:09] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:10] <AnybodyElse> (Thanks - upstream guy here. We had A LOT of users that installed the outdated Universe package.)
[17:10] <infinity> slangasek: Want to follow up to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/owncloud/+bug/1384355 with the "please add a debconf note" mention?
[17:10] <mdeslaur> kees: the policy on the technical way to do it, or on when it's appropriate to do
[17:10] <slangasek> will do
[17:10] <infinity> mdeslaur: The former, I'd think.
[17:10] <infinity> mdeslaur: "Appropriate" is always a case-by-case thing.
[17:10] <kees> mdeslaur: I meant the former, but probably we need both.
[17:11] <kees> and for the latter, yeah, say "case-by-case" but give past examples since it's so rare (Java, e.g.)
[17:11] <mdeslaur> AnybodyElse: hi!
[17:11] <infinity> mdeslaur: "Upstream asked" isn't a good enough reason (LOTS of upstreams don't want us shipping their stuff), but "upstream asked, and it's actively harmful to users because we have no distro maintainers looking at it" is probably sane, etc.
[17:11]  * AnybodyElse waves back to mdeslaur :)
[17:11] <slangasek> I don't think "no distro maintainers" is sufficient cause to say that it's actively harmful to users
[17:12] <pitti> it's even more of a no-brainer in precise where universe isn't supported any more, but for trusty it's an actual problem indeed
[17:12] <infinity> slangasek: Right, "no distro maintainers, and it's woefully out of date with security issues" blah blah.
[17:12] <slangasek> yes
[17:12] <infinity> slangasek: Hence my "case-by-case" statement.
[17:12] <slangasek> if we were going to leave this to be case-by-case, there's no reason to involve the TB
[17:12] <slangasek> a policy should be an actual policy :)
[17:12] <infinity> Fair point.
[17:13] <slangasek> anyway, commented on the bug
[17:13] <infinity> It's a hard policy to nail down precisely.  The best we can do is provide guidance, I think, so SRU people have something to point at as a reference.
[17:13] <slangasek> is someone taking the action to draft a policy?
[17:14] <pitti> that should go on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, right?
[17:14] <slangasek> yes, I would say so
[17:14] <infinity> pitti: Ultimately, I'd think it would be there, or linked from there.
[17:14] <pitti> or a subpage; at least under that domain
[17:14] <infinity> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/Removals perhaps.
[17:14] <pitti> yeah, and linking from /SRU; although it wouldn't be very long, maybe two paragraphs
[17:15] <infinity> kees: Since you brought it up, feel like drafting a (non-pretty, rambling text and bullet points is fine) first cut of a sane-seeming policy for considering removal requests, and we can argue about it in two weeks?
[17:15] <pitti> ^ or on the list
[17:15] <slangasek> "maybe two paragraphs" to me says it shouldn't be a subpage, but ymmv and doesn't need bikeshedding
[17:16] <infinity> pitti: Well, it could be a removal policy in general, so could grow.  So, security issues, like owncloud, IP takedown issues, etc.
[17:16] <pitti> I was in the middle of typing "I can try and draft something", but if kees wants to do it, I'm all for it :)
[17:16] <infinity> pitti: Well, if you're volunteering, I doubt kees will assert ownership of the idea. :P
[17:16] <pitti> oh, it should just be the "how", and maybe some guidelines of "when", but I'd keep it as a case-by-case decision
[17:17] <pitti> such things are hard to pinpoint in a policy
[17:17] <infinity> [ACTION] pitti to draft initial removal-as-an-SRU policy document with a less lousy name than the one used in this action.
[17:17] <meetingology> ACTION: pitti to draft initial removal-as-an-SRU policy document with a less lousy name than the one used in this action.
[17:17] <mdeslaur> does the SRU team remain authoritative on empty package SRUs?
[17:18] <infinity> mdeslaur: The SRU team remains generally authoritative over the -proposed queues in general, I think, though we lack a constitution for me to base that statement on. :P
[17:18] <mdeslaur> infinity: ok, that's fine with me
[17:20] <infinity> mdeslaur: As far as I read our non-constitution, we can override any of the delegate technical teams (like AA, SRU, etc), but overriding isn't the same as making all their decisions for them.
[17:20]  * mdeslaur nods
[17:20] <infinity> Anyhow.  Skipping along.  Going to bounce the CFQ thing until Riddell pops up.
[17:20] <pitti> well, the SRU team is bound by the policy in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[17:21] <infinity> pitti: They write the policy, so "bound" is a curious term.
[17:21] <pitti> infinity: I think it was actually written by the TB
[17:21] <pitti> and all changes certainly were approved by the TB
[17:21] <infinity> pitti: Well, I've certainly amended it a lot when I wasn't on the TB. :P
[17:22] <infinity> Anyhow, a governance discussion seems like it would take the whole meeting slot, and we have a busy week for once.
[17:22] <pitti> CFQ> not sure if there's much else to discuss; it's rock <-> that SRU <-> hard place
[17:22] <infinity> [TOPIC] Dismantling the ARB
[17:23] <infinity> stgraber: Care to wax poetical on this topic?
[17:23] <pitti> the main question I'd have is whether this can be done less intrusively with the blkio cgroup controller, but I think that was already handled in the ML
[17:23] <stgraber> sure
[17:23] <stgraber> so the ARB hasn't done anything since precise, all members expired and all we've done so far is create the extras.u.c entry every time we open a new release
[17:24] <stgraber> I believe it's now time to just kill it entirely and remove the repository in 15.04
[17:24]  * kees sharpens the axe
[17:24] <pitti> oh, so it's practically non-existing already anyway?
[17:24] <infinity> pitti: Right, it's dead, it just needs to be told it's dead.
[17:24] <stgraber> correct, no packages published since precise and I'm the only member of the ARB team on LP (and only there because I'm doing the series initialization every 6 months)
[17:24] <pitti> kees: axe? I thought a wooden spile through the heart is better for zombies?
[17:25] <kees> hehe
[17:25] <infinity> So, we need a technical solution to the removal of extras from users' systems on upgrade, and to take a TB decision to un-delegate the team and whack it from LP?
[17:25] <kees> I think spikes are for vampires
[17:25] <mdeslaur> stgraber: perhaps I'm confused, but isn't there activity in the weekly reports?
[17:25] <stgraber> nope
[17:25] <stgraber> you're confusing this with the commercial app stuff I suspect
[17:26] <mdeslaur> oh, yes, I am
[17:26] <mdeslaur> I keep confusing those two
[17:26] <mdeslaur> sorry, please ignore me
[17:27] <infinity> slangasek: As the engineering manager who happens to own the technical side of this discussion (ubuntu-release-upgrader, probably?), are you happy with mandating the removal of extras and making that happen?
[17:27] <infinity> (Note that it doesn't need to be done in concert with killing the team, we just really should stop shipping a useless empty repo line in sources.list)
[17:27] <infinity> Well, release-upgrader for upgrades, and installers for new installs.
[17:27] <slangasek> infinity: I think it's clear that this is what needs to be done, yes
[17:28] <slangasek> infinity: just make sure this decision turns into a bug report :)
[17:28] <infinity> Right, do we need a formal vote on the undelegation of the team?
[17:28] <stgraber> yeah
[17:28] <infinity> [VOTE] undelegate the ARB and remove the team from LP
[17:28] <meetingology> Please vote on: undelegate the ARB and remove the team from LP
[17:28] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[17:29] <infinity> +11
[17:29] <meetingology> +11 received from infinity
[17:29] <stgraber> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[17:29] <mdeslaur> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from mdeslaur
[17:29] <slangasek> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
[17:29] <pitti> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from pitti
[17:29] <slangasek> +1!!
[17:29] <meetingology> +1!! received from slangasek
[17:29] <kees> +1
[17:29] <meetingology> +1 received from kees
[17:29] <infinity> [ENDVOTE]
[17:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: undelegate the ARB and remove the team from LP
[17:29] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:29] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:29]  * slangasek one-ups infinity
[17:29] <pitti> infinity has chair has 11 times the voting power??
[17:29] <slangasek> because 1-factorial-factorial is better than 11
[17:29] <infinity> pitti: According to the bot, no.
[17:30] <infinity> stgraber: Can you file a bug report on whatever components you can think this affects?
[17:30] <infinity> stgraber: u-r-u, apt-setup, ubiquity, livecd-rootfs, maybe curtin...
[17:30] <pitti> infinity: (j/k)
[17:30] <infinity> pitti: I was curious to see if it would tally it oddly, but I guess it's smarter (or, realistically, dumber) than that.
[17:31] <stgraber> infinity: sure. I'll also take care of killing off the team and any documentation I can find
[17:31] <infinity> stgraber: \o/
[17:31] <pitti> rest in peace, extras.u.c., and be replaced click apps..
[17:31] <mdeslaur> stgraber: aim for the head
[17:31] <infinity> [TOPIC] Community bugs: 0
[17:31] <pitti> "with"
[17:32] <infinity> Subtopic there... The community bugs review is almost always 0.  Is this a sign that people aren't escalating things they should, or that Ubuntu is so super healthy that there's no need?
[17:32] <infinity> Should we be advertising a more friendly "hey, you can assign bugs to us when they need guidance" stance?
[17:33] <slangasek> is Riddell's SRU escalation not a "community bug"?
[17:33] <infinity> Oh, true, it's just not in the search link. :P
[17:33] <slangasek> I guess technically there wasn't a bug report assigned to us, sure
[17:33] <slangasek> but I don't think we care about the escalation vector, really
[17:34] <pitti> I can remember only one community bug ever..
[17:34] <infinity> Alright, maybe it's working as designed, then.
[17:34] <infinity> [TOPIC] Mailing list review
[17:34] <infinity> Which I think probably brings us full circle to CFQ.
[17:34]  * slangasek nods
[17:35] <infinity> Does anyone have any new opinions on that that they haven't voiced on the list?
[17:36] <pitti> nothing new, really; if Kubuntu wants to go ahead with that, I see relatively few other options, as AFAIR the "low blkio priority in cgroup" idea was already discarded?
[17:36] <pitti> but slangasek's test plan looked fairly comprehensive
[17:36] <infinity> I'm personally in the "It's probably harmless (will change performance one way or another in a lot of scenarios, but I trust the upstream code to not be BROKEN)" camp, but I'm still concerned with a userspace package for desktop_foo changing the behaviour for a multi-desktop system.
[17:36] <infinity> But maybe that fear is silly, as multi-DE installs are hugely uncommon, and reserved for the nerdy.
[17:37] <slangasek> I don't think there are any blockers here, except for "SRU team has time for review" and "someone involved in this SRU acknowledges the testing requirements and updates the SRU bug accordingly"
[17:37] <slangasek> currently the SRU test case shown is the original one, which is incomplete
[17:38] <infinity> Riddell: Since you seem to still be idle, when you get back and read backscroll, can you address Steve's bug paperwork concerns?
[17:38] <slangasek> infinity: it's not just multi-desktop systems; as xnox pointed out on ubuntu-release@, it will impact the system performance characteristics for users running, e.g., a VM on top of a kubuntu desktop
[17:38] <infinity> Riddell: Thanks in advance. :P
[17:38] <infinity> slangasek: Sure, but I'm not sure layering like that is a thought exercise worth getting into.
[17:39] <slangasek> not sure what you mean
[17:39] <infinity> slangasek: Ubuntu in a VM performs differently if the host is Ubuntu or RHEL too.  Oh well.
[17:39] <slangasek> I'm not talking about layering
[17:39] <slangasek> I'm talking about "if you run a VM on kubuntu you will be in pain"
[17:39] <slangasek> as in, your desktop experience will regress
[17:39] <mdeslaur> no, heavy disk io, whether created by a VM that's running, or simply copying files off of a USB disk
[17:39] <infinity> slangasek: I think "you will be in pain" is an exaggeration, but this is where some good testing is a solid plan.
[17:40] <slangasek> maybe I have a low pain tolerance ;)
[17:40] <slangasek> anyway, actionability here - next step is for the Kubuntu devs to lay out their explicit test plan in the SRU bug?
[17:40] <infinity> slangasek: But okay, I see what you mean here.  My take was "kubuntu can do what they want to kubuntu as long as it's not actively harmful".
[17:41] <infinity> In a broad sense.  Obviously not in any willy nilly SRU, hence the discussion.
[17:41] <slangasek> well, I think the SRU team has a duty to protect Kubuntu users from regressions too
[17:42] <infinity> slangasek: Anyhow, on the off chance that Riddell's missed backscroll, can you poke the list thread with a re-request for better paperwork?
[17:42] <slangasek> infinity: can you just [ACTION] it and send out minutes? :-)
[17:42] <infinity> Maaaybe.
[17:42] <slangasek> I mean [ACTION] Riddell, not me
[17:43] <infinity> [ACTION] Riddell to improve the CFQ SRU paperwork to detail regression testing plans
[17:43] <meetingology> ACTION: Riddell to improve the CFQ SRU paperwork to detail regression testing plans
[17:44] <infinity> [TOPIC] Next chair
[17:44] <infinity> Should be kees, unless he's got other plans.
[17:44] <infinity> kees: ^
[17:45] <infinity> Hrm, next meeting would be Nov 11.    I'm not sure who. :P
[17:45] <slangasek> oh, right
[17:45] <kees> "a lot of the board are in country that takes it off"
[17:45] <slangasek> we didn't actually invent that date, we just rebranded it ;-)
[17:46] <kees> I vote to skip it.
[17:46] <pitti> there's still the ML
[17:46] <pitti> for discussing CFQ etc.
[17:46] <kees> I can run the 25th meeting, then?
[17:46] <infinity> [VOTE] Skip Nov 11 meeting, so people can buy poppies and be appropriately respectful
[17:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: Skip Nov 11 meeting, so people can buy poppies and be appropriately respectful
[17:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[17:46] <infinity> +1
[17:46] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[17:46] <kees> +1
[17:46] <meetingology> +1 received from kees
[17:46] <mdeslaur> +1
[17:46] <meetingology> +1 received from mdeslaur
[17:47] <stgraber> +1
[17:47] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[17:47] <slangasek> +1
[17:47] <meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
[17:47] <infinity> Right, the 1s have it.
[17:47] <infinity> [ENDVOTE]
[17:47] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Skip Nov 11 meeting, so people can buy poppies and be appropriately respectful
[17:47] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:47] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:47] <infinity> kees: You've got the 25th, then.
[17:47] <slangasek> (poppies?  I thought this day was for celebrating heroes, not heroin)
[17:47] <infinity> slangasek: Canadians celebrate by getting high.
[17:48] <infinity> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:48] <slangasek> that seems like a truism
[17:48] <infinity> Anything else?
[17:48] <pitti> nothing from me
[17:48] <slangasek> not here
[17:48] <infinity> slangasek: It's symbolic of the poppies that grow among the graves in Flanders Fields.
[17:48] <slangasek> huh
[17:49] <slangasek> learn something new
[17:49]  * mdeslaur learns something new
[17:49] <infinity> #endmeeting
[17:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 28 17:49:36 2014 UTC.
[17:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2014/ubuntu-meeting-2.2014-10-28-17.01.moin.txt
[17:50] <kees> thanks!
[17:50] <slangasek> thanks!
[17:50] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
[17:50] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:50] <pitti> thanks everyone


[00:26] <mmikowski> mparillo: This may be old hat, but the path to the browser is set in the first directory from $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS with a kdeglobals file.  The setting is [ General ] BrowserApplication=xxx.desktop where xxx is your browser.
[00:28] <mmikowski> mparillo: If that looks like it should, then you might test on a Neon liveUSB session and see if you get the same behavior there. $0.02.
[09:23] <mparillo> Thank you. I am on Arch on this machine, which works and for it, I see it expand and when I try to cd to it I get: bash: cd: /home/mparillo/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg: No such file or directory
[09:24] <mparillo> I will test on Kubuntu when I can put this aside again.
[09:57] <mparillo> Continuing on Kubuntu. There I can echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and the first directory in the colon-separated list is: /home/mparillo/.config/kdedefaults As you would have expected, I can see a file kdeglobals, but the only things there relate to Breeze. And the only entry under [General] is ColorScheme=BreezeLight which is even more interesting because in System Settings > Appearance > Global Theme I have set to Breeze Twilight.
[10:00] <mparillo> The last entry in the $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS variable is /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings and there in kdeglobals under [General] I see:  BrowserApplication=firefox_firefox.desktop
[10:15] <mparillo> Note that removing the offending line from  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings requires sudo.
[10:15] <mparillo> I wonder if future upgrades to KDE Frameworks will over-write  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings
[12:25] <RikMills> mparillo: no as that is from kubuntu-settings
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all