[01:28] <boredandblogging> sorry if this has been reported but is option 2 supposed to display the 8.10 banner?
[08:10] <mib_h3ga83> hello.
[08:10] <mib_h3ga83> i would like to help.
[08:11] <mib_h3ga83> how can i help?
[08:14] <mib_h3ga83> i can help draw, and make banners and stuff like that. i designed the banner for this site: http://ubuntu.sg/node
[08:21] <mib_h3ga83> ?
[08:58] <rime> hmm, it seems that the carousels noscript-tag has a broken image link
[08:59] <rime> it looks really stupid when you don't have javascript on (it says "frame 6" and nothing else)
[12:35] <knome> newz2000, ^
[13:39] <newz2000> rime: thanks for pointing it out, I will fix it
[13:45] <thorwil> newz2000: hi! http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown is very well done!
[13:45] <newz2000> thanks, glad you like it.
[13:45] <newz2000> I know the static image isn't quite what you were hoping for but I figure I'll switch the symlink on release day so that it's at least something
[13:47] <thorwil> well, the last 2 images were meant to be a "surprise", but i know you wouldn't like one giving a date, like the option i offered last time
[13:54] <newz2000> :-) Yeah, call me paranoid...
[13:54] <newz2000> but that's just asking for something to go wrong
[13:55] <thorwil> newz2000: if i increae font-size on ubuntu.com, suddenly a white "the cloud" text appears overlaid on the slideshow
[13:56] <newz2000> thorwil: oh, thanks, I will fix that
[13:56] <thorwil> that piece of text is not selectable, but i doesn't come from my graphics
[13:56] <newz2000> header image replacement
[13:57] <newz2000> how big do you have to make your text to see it?
[13:57] <thorwil> newz2000: and if i click on the slideshow, the image that appears has cut-off text: "We would like you in testing and ...
[13:57] <newz2000> doh!
[13:57] <newz2000> doh!
[13:57] <newz2000> doh!
[13:57]  * newz2000 slaps his forehead
[13:57] <thorwil> heh
[13:57] <newz2000> I am such an amature
[14:03] <newz2000> ok, some problems fixed
[14:08]  * thorwil adds note to the wiki page that banners are online now
[14:09] <newz2000> thanks thorwil
[14:09] <newz2000> is it too early to tell if you're getting traffic from the links?
[14:09] <newz2000> (to your website)
[14:09] <thorwil> i'll check in a bit
[14:10] <thorwil> i'll have to hand out a price for most-over-the-feedback-yet for "Not funny - this is perfect. "Wow" doesn't really even do it justice. The person that made this is either a genius or someone with a whole crap load of time for perfection. 'or both'" on said wiki
[14:11] <thorwil> but the following "I like it. But can you put the mascots on top each day? Or replace day by mascots, day win show in mascots." is funny in a sad way
[14:13] <newz2000> :-)
[14:14] <boredandblogging> newz2000: someone left a comment about the text not being big enough on the iframed version on my blog
[14:14] <boredandblogging> on the js iframed version the text-ident isn’t big enough and i get
[14:14] <boredandblogging> “er and in the cloud”
[14:15] <boredandblogging> over the animation,
[14:15] <boredandblogging> another couple of hundred px should fix it.
[14:15] <boredandblogging> no clue what it means :-)
[14:15] <newz2000> boredandblogging: thanks, good feedback
[14:16] <thorwil> newz2000: 20 views today, 13 yesterday. but that isn't a deviation from before. were it fluctuated 4 and about 15
[14:16] <newz2000> thorwil: I just fixed the indent, can you see if it's all better now?
[14:17] <thorwil> newz2000: what exactly would be better now?
[14:17] <newz2000> no white text when you increase the font-size
[14:17]  * newz2000 could not reproduce it
[14:17] <thorwil> newz2000: could be that i need a step more to make it happen now
[14:18] <thorwil> newz2000: does your browser scale the whole page with images? my firefox is instructed to leave images alone
[14:19] <newz2000> oh, mine scales the image too
[15:03] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/ubuntu-904-countdown/
[15:08] <newz2000> Good work, I wish I had time to learn blender
[15:09] <thorwil> thanks. same here ;)
[15:12] <newz2000> thorwil: did I understand correctly that you can take stuff from inkscape and use it in blender?
[15:12] <thorwil> newz2000: you can import curves in blender, but that isn't what i did
[15:13]  * thorwil -> coffee
[16:17] <boredandblogging> newz2000: hey
[16:17] <newz2000> boredandblogging: what's up?
[16:18] <boredandblogging> newz2000: http://boredandblogging.com/2009/03/26/ubuntu-904-countdown-banner/#comment-2881
[16:18] <newz2000> not possible
[16:18] <newz2000> javascript would not cause any server usage at all
[16:19] <boredandblogging> fair enough
[16:43] <newz2000> ryanakca: hey, just got a report that kubuntu.org doesn't show up in opera. I can confirm this (using 9.27)
[20:50] <ryanakca> newz2000: bummer, saw your email, I'll take a prod at it... does it work if you disable JS?
[20:51] <newz2000> I don't know, didn't try, but opera has a .deb file and is easy to install
[20:52]  * ryanakca nods, will do
[20:53] <knome> newz2000, did you get the non-js version fixed?
[20:53] <newz2000> knome: the non-js version of the animated iframe banner?
[20:53] <knome> yeah.
[20:53] <newz2000> yes
[20:54] <knome> great :)
[21:23] <cropalato> nice work with the ubuntu countdown. I wold like to know if i can get the source to change for pt_BR.
[21:44] <newz2000> cropalato: which source did you have in mind?
[21:45] <newz2000> the ring stuff is posted on the wiki and in launchpad
[21:45] <newz2000> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners#Thorwil%27s%20Ring
[21:45] <newz2000> some of the other designs have posted source, many have not
[21:55] <cropalato> newz2000, thanks


[03:51] <luk3yx> Should questions about staging.launchpad.net be asked here or somewhere else?
[04:21] <wgrant> luk3yx: Here is fine.
[04:21] <luk3yx> How long does it take for it to clone a git repo?
[04:22] <wgrant> luk3yx: staging.launchpad.net doesn't have git support today. What are you doing with it?
[04:23] <luk3yx> I was trying to clone a git repository to test the snap building feature.
[04:23] <wgrant> staging can only upload to the staging snap store, which you can't install from unless you build a custom snapd. You probably want to use production for that instead.
[04:24] <wgrant> staging's better if you're testing scripts to manipulate lots of bugs, or do other things that might disrupt other users.
[04:24] <luk3yx> Oh, okay.
[04:24] <luk3yx> Thank you.
[04:25] <luk3yx> What's https://qastaging.launchpad.net/?
[04:27] <wgrant> luk3yx: It's like staging... except different. It runs a different branch of the code, and is mostly used by us for QA purposes. But it does have git support.
[04:27] <luk3yx> Oh, okay.
[04:27] <luk3yx> How often are the staging ones reset?
[04:29] <wgrant> staging is reset weekly. qastaging is reset when we feel like it.
[04:29] <luk3yx> Okay.
[04:30] <luk3yx> Thank you for your help.
[04:30] <wgrant> np
[04:31] <luk3yx> How long does qastaging take to clone a git repo?
[09:41] <cjwatson> luk3yx: That's a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question.  What repository in particular?  Do you mean that you're trying to set up a code import?
[09:46] <alkisg> Hi, I tried copying to packages from one PPA to another, and I got some launchpad error mails. Now it's been stuck at either building or pending to be published, for 1 hour or so. Should I just wait, or should I report the issue?
[09:46] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=java8&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[09:46] <alkisg> *s/to/two
[09:55] <cjwatson> alkisg: It's backed up due to a particularly large rebuild in one PPA, but it'll get there eventually.
[09:56] <alkisg> cjwatson: so no action needed on my part, thank you
[09:56] <cjwatson> Indeed.
[14:54] <jorgesumle> I want to submit a bug to Launchpad, but I can't because I cannot validate my Ubuntu One account. Can someone do it for me?
[14:56] <cjwatson> What goes wrong when you try to validate it?
[14:57] <jorgesumle> I need to complete a CAPTCHA, but it doesn't appear when JavaScript is disabled
[14:57] <jorgesumle> I surf the web with JS disabled because of privacy.
[14:57] <jorgesumle> The bug should be sent here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/midori
[14:58] <jorgesumle> Here it is the bug report, you just have to copy and paste: https://paste.debian.net/955781
[14:58] <jorgesumle> I would be very helpful if someone could fill it for me :)
[14:58] <rbasak> I have a separate browser profile for stuff like this. Its set to clear everything on exit - basically private browsing mode. I don't believe there's any realistic loss in privacy by jumping in there to do the odd task like this.
[14:59] <cjwatson> We aren't likely to drop the captcha requirement; it's an important spam defence.
[15:01] <jorgesumle> I'm not asking you that, I just asked for someone to take 30 secs to help me fill a bug report. Though it would be an improvement if the CAPTCHA would work with JS disabled.
[15:02] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I don't file bugs on other people's behalf because that breaks the ability for developers to contact the bug reporter.
[15:05] <Mc> I thought midori just uses webkit
[15:07] <cjwatson> From https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/faq it looks like we can only support non-JS signups by weakening security, and our spam situation is already bad enough, sorry :(
[15:09] <jorgesumle> There is an IRC channel called #midori, I'm also trying there. Thanks for your responses.
[16:39] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I've also been encountering some more LP OOPSes recently e.g. https://oops.canonical.com/?oopsid=OOPS-fbdcf5eec6283761189e84d5d66da7ba
[16:58] <cjwatson> bdmurray: That looks worth filing a bug on: we appear to be spending at least a second on lots of per-bug queries that could almost certainly be done in bulk instead.
[17:00] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay
[18:44] <sergio-br2> hi
[18:45] <sergio-br2> how do I workaround "virtual memory exhausted: Operation not permitted" in launchpad i386 builds?
[18:45] <sergio-br2> trying building mame there...
[18:45] <cjwatson> The usual approach is to reduce your build's parallelism level
[18:45] <cjwatson> Also worth looking into various memory-saving linker options
[18:45] <sergio-br2> 	dh $@ --parallel
[18:45] <sergio-br2> hummm
[18:46] <sergio-br2> removing that will take a lot of time to build heh
[18:46] <cjwatson> there's a --max-parallel option.  see debhelper(7)
[18:46] <sergio-br2> let's see
[18:46] <cjwatson> so you could e.g. try --max-parallel=2
[18:47] <sergio-br2> what's the maximum used in launchpad farm?
[18:47] <cjwatson> the builder VMs have 4 VCPUs, so --parallel will default to that
[18:47] <sergio-br2> ok, let's see if it works
[20:45] <sergio-br2> didn't work, let's see without --parallel
[21:46] <sergio-br2> didn't work either cjwatson
[21:47] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: 19:45 <cjwatson> Also worth looking into various memory-saving linker options
[21:47] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: but I'm sorry, I can't really debug your build for you, only make general suggestions.
[21:48] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mame appears to build fine on i386 so you should look at what it does; I see at least one memory-saving tweak in debian/rules there.
[22:01] <sergio-br2> ahh, true
[22:01] <sergio-br2> #export DEB_LDFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND = -Wl,--no-keep-memory
[22:01] <sergio-br2> let's see there
[22:05] <cjwatson> Doesn't look like it's your linker step that's failing, so you might need to look into other flags there.  I didn't look very hard.
[22:46] <sergio-br2> cjwatson, does launchpad farm use swap?
[23:08] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: 4GiB swap IIRC
[23:08] <sergio-br2> wut
[23:08] <sergio-br2> man, mame became a huge monster heh
[23:08] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: Not that that's relevant to "virtual memory exhausted".
[23:09] <sergio-br2> isn't it using swap in the build?
[23:10] <sergio-br2> virtual memory = RAM + swap ?
[23:12] <nacc> RAM + swap would be more like physical memory, sort of
[23:12] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: You get that error when you try to allocate more than will fit in your process' address space.
[23:12] <nacc> sergio-br2: virtual memory is more about the addressable memory (so exceeding 2^32)
[23:13] <sergio-br2> 2^32 = 4 GB right
[23:13] <cjwatson> Possibly even 3GiB on i386, I forget.  At any rate it's not relevant how much RAM+swap is available beyond that, in this case.
[23:13] <sergio-br2> 3 GB in PC arch
[23:14] <nacc> cjwatson: good point, it's not quite 4GB
[23:14] <cjwatson> Note that the amd64 builders are exactly the same VMs.
[23:14] <sergio-br2> yeah, I forgot this detail, too much used to amd64


[02:07] <kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 tried crazy idea one. Ubuntu boots fine lubuntu still fails. Swap out fstab on ubuntu for lubuntu and it still boots ubuntu. It took a second to wrap my head around it  but grub is still pointing at the UUID for ubuntu. fstab is just the file system mounting which still mounts even if it is wrong in fstab (my guess is RO but I didn't verify, I was shocked it booted)
[02:11] <wxl[m]> kc2bez: is that defined in /etc/default/grub?
[02:11] <wxl[m]> Actually when it boots can you hold down shift to get to the grub menu?
[02:12] <kc2bez> yeah the grub menu shows up anyway since the install detected another install.
[02:13] <kc2bez> standby I'll get a paste.
[02:13] <wxl[m]> Is the other positionw defined?
[02:13] <wxl[m]> Partition
 here are the grub screenshots
 (Photo, 640x480) https://i.imgur.com/mLsctPf.jpg
 (Photo, 640x480) https://i.imgur.com/8fhSgNh.jpg
 (Photo, 640x480) https://i.imgur.com/8t3belp.jpg
[02:19] <kc2bez> grub config for ubuntu is done by uuid where lubuntu is /dev/sdx
[02:26] <kc2bez> here is the ubuntu grub.cfg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SgGbyKV63W/
[02:32] <wxl[m]> f83da636-641a-407c-8b18-39290f780199     is that the UUID for the Lubuntu partition?
[02:32] <kc2bez> yes
[02:34] <wxl[m]> On /dev/sda1?
[02:34] <kc2bez> yes
[02:35] <wxl[m]> Maybe the boot flag is not set?
[02:36] <kc2bez> Gnome disks says bootable
[02:41] <wxl[m]> Harumph
[02:41] <kc2bez> Same
[02:42] <wxl[m]> So if you select Lubuntu from the GRUB menu, kernel panic?
[02:42] <kc2bez> correct
[02:42] <wxl[m]> Sigh
[04:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0b7bb2fabeac: Fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0b7bb2fabeac
 kc2bez what kind of partition table is it GPT?
[04:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf155099a68a0: Add custom folder icons] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf155099a68a0
[05:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa999401333bc: Add pcmanfm-qt change open with via file properites] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa999401333bc
[05:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8b3ed7a214cc: Fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8b3ed7a214cc
[08:45] <kc2bez> lynorian: yes, it is a standard GPT
 Mornin y'all :)
 Who doesn't love a 5 AM wakeup call to go to a conf?
[10:07] <kc2bez> That does sound good.
 Urgh!
[10:08] <kc2bez> I've been up since 4:30 though.
 Flight out of GRB leaves at 7, which means I need to get there by 6. Usually I have to be to school by 7:30 (be up by 6:30 at the latest) so even with school it's the earliest I've been up in a while :P
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I've been up since 4:30 though.], Madman ;)
[10:10] <kc2bez> I am. I do it every workday though.
 Oh, well there you go
 You're used to it :)
[10:11] <kc2bez> Used to it, yes. Don't always enjoy it however. :)
[10:13] <kc2bez> copious amounts of coffee make it tolerable. XD
 Oh that's for sure
[16:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL691483b36ef0: Fix warning] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL691483b36ef0
[16:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL181f7ca1b1f8: Minor reword to preview resolution] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL181f7ca1b1f8
[16:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3402b1c3f66d: Fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3402b1c3f66d
[16:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe55c90a25b1e: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe55c90a25b1e
[16:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa8e2508014eb: reword stop drawing annotations] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa8e2508014eb
[16:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3191ce346278: Fix arrow] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3191ce346278
[16:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2b3b699c8fd6: Rm redundant phrase] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2b3b699c8fd6
[16:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1014a2e6255e: Fix Quassel spelling] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1014a2e6255e
[17:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL453e9485a6db: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL453e9485a6db
[17:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL849435df7c24: Add missing the] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL849435df7c24
[20:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbe4b64c95653: Start modifiers tab in prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbe4b64c95653
[20:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6a5c3452c9f6: Add zoom in modifiers tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6a5c3452c9f6
 What's meant by git bisecting?
[20:22] <lynorian> @The_LoudSpeaker it is a process to figure out what change made the bug
 Also, anyone up for coffee? It's 2 am here.
[20:22] <wxl> binary search as it relates to git commits to try to find at which point things changed to create a problem
 @lynorian [<lynorian> @The_LoudSpeaker it is a process to figure out what change made the b …], Guessed that but wanted to be sure.
 Hey! wxl: you remember the xscreensaver themes?
[20:24] <wxl> btw meeting in ~30m
[20:24] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker yep
 @wxl [<wxl> btw meeting in ~30m], Noice. Can I join?
[20:24] <wxl> anyone can
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker yep], I will just boot my pc. Let's have a look at them today. I can't sleep.
[20:25] <wxl> sounds good!
[20:25] <wxl> didn't i include my suggestions?
 @wxl [<wxl> anyone can], But I haven't done much.
[20:26] <wxl> doesn't matter. you're always welcome to listen or ask questions or whatever
 @wxl [<wxl> didn't i include my suggestions?], Yeah. I remember some of them. Will look at the comments on task now.
 Also, anyone with a manjaro running?
[20:51] <wxl> tsujan XD
 Need the contents of /boot/grub/
 If there is a themes folder there, please zip it and send me.
[20:52] <kc2bez> XD wxl
[20:52] <wxl> dude get a vm!
 @wxl [<wxl> dude get a vm!], I have one but don't have a manjaro Installed in it right now. Installing will take time plus my laptop won't be able to run two vms at once.
 Raman how much ram do you have?
 6
[20:54] <lynorian> ok
 Also, anyone tried the grub theme on a legacy system with display smaller than 1280*720? I tried in vm and results are not good looking. Need to know if it's same on a real hardware.
[21:01] <wxl> !standup
 o/
[21:02] <kc2bez> o/
[21:02] <lynorian> \o
[21:02] <wxl> anyone else?
[21:03] <wxl> k fire away
 ok
 Find out how to make nm-config editor w/o nm-appelt autostart (so we don'te end up with 2 nm tray icons). I will start tom implement … first step is https://phab.lubuntu.me/D11/new/ but, as apt-ghetto mentioned, need to fix version
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: D11/new/ is an invalid task reference.
 c'on lugito
 second step is add network-manager-gnome in seed … third step is change in nm-tray the default editor
[21:04] <wxl> it's the /new
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D11
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added Hidden=True nm-applet.desktop to autostart so nm.applet doesn't autostart. Change default icon theme from Papirus to ePapirus: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D11
[21:05] <wxl> there ya go!
 so, bottom line, found out how to make nm-config editor w/o nm-appelt autostart (so we don'te end up with 2 nm tray icons). But to make it work w/o breaking thinks is better to do it by steps
 1) avoid autostart, 2) add nm-gnome to seed, 3) make nm-connection-editor the default
 Im also studying how to merge nm-tray 0.4.2
 After that will apply patch for non symbolic icons.
 I also found out that UbuConLa will be in Chile this year (22, 23, 24 aug) and I submited a request to speak (don't remember teh technical word) My idea is to talk about lubuntu moving from lxde to lxqt and use old computers to show how good it behaves (atom, celeron duo).
 Because of that, I'm looking for artwork for the slides and to make some merchandise (mainly sticker I think). … Waiting for update-notifier autobuild.
[21:07] <wxl> you got everything you need on #3? i remember we made a change on thsi at some point..
 sorry, what's that?
[21:08] <wxl> making nm-connection-editor the default
 I've done it in my system
[21:08] <wxl> ok cool
[21:09] <lynorian> this seems like it might solve lots of support requests
[21:09] <wxl> when you have managed to figure out merges, it might be good to distill it in some way in our own documentation. the one on the ubuntu wiki seems ridiculously verbose
 I also thinks is the best way, although we use a gtk solution
 but it will only use gtk during config, not the whole time
[21:10] <lynorian> and how long do you have that config open?
 only when you add a new connection/vpn
 wxl: it oonly need tyo be modified /usr/share/nm-tray/nm-conf
 changed to … connectionsEditor=nm-connection-editor
 lynorian, and we will have vpn supportn teh same that ubuntu has
 that will be from my side.
[21:12]  * lynorian wonders who is next
[21:13] <wxl> @kc2bez wins that one
[21:13] <kc2bez> \o/
[21:13] <kc2bez> Worked on bug 1829805
[21:13] <kc2bez> It is frustrating to say the least.
[21:13] <kc2bez> I don't think it is GRUB but can't rule it out.
[21:13] <kc2bez> Could be kernel related but again not sure about that. Same kernel is in 19.04 and that doesn't seem to have an issue. kpmcore is the same, cala is the same.
[21:13] <kc2bez> What changed?
[21:13] <kc2bez> Been hanging out in the forum, need to spend some more time over there.
[21:13] <kc2bez> Offering up support in IRC when I can too.
[21:13] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[21:15] <lynorian> I agree that bug sounds super frustrating
[21:16] <wxl> i hate that bug. it's making me nuts
[21:16] <wxl> we're missing something
[21:16] <kc2bez> same
[21:16] <kc2bez> probably
[21:16] <kc2bez> too close to it perhaps
[21:16] <wxl> yeah
[21:17] <wxl> i still would like to see if we can get grub to boot that partition. i need to try to do some grub hackery
[21:17] <wxl> well, someone does XD
[21:17] <wxl> anyways thanks for your continued efforts
[21:17] <wxl> anything else?
[21:17] <kc2bez> nope, that is it from me
 it also happens on virtualbox?
[21:18] <wxl> nexxxxxxxxxxxt
[21:18] <wxl> yes
[21:18] <lynorian> me?
[21:18] <wxl> efi/bios vm/hardware encrypted/unencrypted
[21:18] <wxl> yes @lynorian
[21:18] <lynorian> have we tried efi /mbr on that bug
[21:19] <lynorian> I mean gpt /mbr
[21:19] <lynorian> oops
[21:19] <wxl> that's an interesting thought
 @wxl [<wxl> efi/bios vm/hardware encrypted/unencrypted], was asking because title says kvm
[21:19] <wxl> right
[21:19] <wxl> that bug should probably be triaged more
[21:19] <lynorian> I got it with gpt  unencrypted
[21:20] <lynorian> my manual stuff
[21:20] <lynorian> Update more quassel settings and screenshots
[21:20] <lynorian> Escape key to close panel dialogs
[21:20] <lynorian>  howto change month on claendar
[21:20] <lynorian>
[21:20] <lynorian>  lock/unlock panel
[21:21] <lynorian> added show desktop to panel
[21:21] <lynorian> screenshots for kcalc fonts and ark general prefrences
[21:21] <lynorian> screenshots searching for files in pcmanfm-qt
[21:22] <lynorian> add changing login shell and user home directory
[21:23] <lynorian> started custom action section in pcmanfm-qt
[21:23] <wxl> ^^^ SO COOL even upstream doesn't have it documented
[21:23] <lynorian> not sure I have that quite right yet but that might be a reason it is not documented is not the easiest documentation to write
[21:24] <lynorian> and starting creating own desktop files
[21:24] <wxl> wow that's great
[21:25] <lynorian> qpdfview print and properties dock screenshot
 creating own .desktop files?
[21:25] <lynorian> yes
[21:25] <lynorian> and then thanks wxl for the discourse post
 maybe is better to link to someone that already has that documented, I mean, lubuntu doesn't has something special about it.
 .desktop ^
[21:26] <lynorian> that I then copypasted into appendix B
[21:26] <wxl> i don't think it's a bad idea to cover it briefly but then link to the freedesktop spec
[21:26] <kc2bez> +1 on wxl 's post
[21:26] <lynorian> also how to do custom folder icons for pcmanfm-qt
 wow, I didn't knew that^
 also agree with wxl
[21:28] <lynorian> I also did several minor typos and rewords this week
[21:28] <lynorian> I am starting the modifiers tab in prefrences ofqpdfivew
[21:32] <wxl> you don't lynorian ?
[21:32] <wxl> done?
[21:33] <lynorian> I am sorry
[21:33] <lynorian> I clicked a link in offtopic and got distracted
[21:33] <wxl> my bad :)
[21:35] <wxl> ok so you are done right? XD
[21:35] <lynorian> yes
[21:36] <wxl> ok i just have two things
[21:36] <wxl>    * Made a post to encourage contributions and tooted it https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/102254931531888484
[21:36] <wxl>    * Tooted about a set of custom emoji that includes Lubuntu; encouraged an update to the LXQt version, mastodon.technology to add, and maybe some Lenny? https://mastodon.technology/@lubuntu/102255260354910624
[21:37] <wxl> the custom emoji is cool. we should fork the ubuntu font and add lubuntu in the PUA :)
[21:38] <wxl> that's it
[21:38] <wxl> anyone else?
[21:39]  * guiverc here, but nothing to say as usual.
[21:40] <kc2bez> Thanks for being here guiverc
[21:40] <wxl> good to see you guiverc :)
[21:41] <wxl> ok i guess we'll wrap it up
[21:41] <wxl> thanks everyone
[21:41] <wxl> you're all awesome
[21:41] <kc2bez> Thanks to you too wxl you are awesome too.
[21:41]  * wxl blushes
[21:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1458f905db55: Add copy to clipboard drop down] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1458f905db55
[21:44] <guiverc> question:  is there any easy way to see what lubuntu packages have been changed, ie. where to direct testing efforts?
[21:45] <wxl> oh that's a good question hmmmm
 chris  well muon has history of package upgrades in a gui on an install
 assuming you have had an install for a while
[21:45] <wxl> i think what he's thinking of more is a history of the uploads to the repos
 yeah
[21:46] <lynorian> I don't know of that
[21:47] <wxl> i put my feelers out on that one
[21:47] <guiverc> thanks lynorian re: muon, re: packages updated, didn't know that.  thanks wxl
[21:48] <wxl> not to mention /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:49] <guiverc> thanks wxl
[21:50] <wxl> np
 sorry i'm never here for standups they're right during my commute :P
[23:19] <teward> wxl: @tsimonq2: FYI I haven't done much on the infra, but need to talk to IS to see if there's a way to get it so we can push specific records to DNS for automatic wildcard cert stuffs
[23:19] <teward> probably can't be done
[23:19] <teward> but meh
[23:19] <teward> UNRELATED Ubuntu Studio's partly coopted me for a short while to help them with a website issue
[23:19] <teward> you can thank Eickmeyer for that one
[23:19] <teward> (it's mostly IS coord)
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> Can confirm.
[23:22] <teward> if it can't be done I'll ahve to figure out the internal crap to make things "just work" for internal certs without having to clone the LE certs everywhere
[23:22] <teward> easier to copy a wildcard than reissue every time we need a new subdomain
[23:22] <teward> oh COOL there is a certbot DNS plugin
[23:22] <teward> i'll have to talk to IS
 and i think i have an idea of what to do for the mail stuffs, but Phab mail is priority to Discourse currently
 sorry i'm so damn slow work has been evil too
[23:24] <kc2bez> The certbot DNS thingy is newish.
 yes it is
 got it working for me for my Cloudflare DNS for a wildcard for my domain.
 and there's a DNS plugin
 but i need info from IS to determine things
[23:26] <kc2bez> Yeah, understood. It seems pretty slick if it works out.
[23:32] <teward> yeah well I need info from IS
[23:32] <teward> if it's a BIND9 instance, if it's some other cloud infra, etc.
[23:32] <teward> BUT i have 90d to get an ACTUAL wildcard cert for my domain now so :p


[00:24] <adom> ssh.blinkenshell.org
[01:01] <marcoceppi> adom: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
[01:06] <adom> cheers
[14:36] <ChinnoDog> Morning
[14:55] <marcoceppi> o/
[15:10] <ChinnoDog> I like Crave but I think we need bigger tables
[15:36] <marcoceppi> heh, probably
[19:02] <adom> haha agreed
[19:03] <adom> was still a fun time though
[19:03] <adom> btw, Tim and I drove there in his rental, and it got towed
[19:03] <adom> we had to walk to the towing place and pay $150 to get it back
[19:03] <adom> luckily we were both in high spirits and laughed about it
[19:03] <adom> we split the cost
[19:04] <adom> honestly $150 for a towed vehicle doesn't seem that high
[19:17] <marcoceppi> adom: holy shit! Why was it towed?
[19:17] <marcoceppi> How far was the tow yard? I could have given you guys a lift
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> Where did you park? The garage is free.


[00:28] <showard> Hi, could someone reset my bug control account? it's resetting soon. Thanks (showard314)
[03:03] <drew212> hi guys
[03:35] <micahg> hi drew212
[06:10] <Hobbsee> !ping
[06:10] <ubot4> pong!
[06:17] <dholbach> #canonical-2009-09-17-07h16
[09:44] <alourie|work> dholbach: hi daniel
[09:55] <dholbach> hi alourie|work
[10:18] <matti> Hi dholbach :)
[10:22] <alourie|work> I need an advice
[10:23] <alourie|work> If I'm trying to split a package in 2, how do I say which files end up in which package?
[10:23] <dholbach> hi matti
[10:23] <dholbach> alourie|work: specify in debian/<package1>.install debian/<package2>.install
[10:24] <dholbach> alourie|work: might be mor on topic in #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel
[10:24] <alourie|work> dholbach: I did, but it didn't help
[10:24] <alourie|work> dholbach: should I take it there?
[10:24] <dholbach> you might get more reseponses there :)
[15:03] <bddebian> Boo
[16:21]  * jacob really wishes that people would be more specific.. ex. #401494
[16:24] <BlackFate> jacob, lol
[16:24] <BlackFate> someone tell him to buy a new one
[16:24] <jacob> :P
[16:25] <jacob> also, I hate how I can never get ubottu to provide bug links when I reference them. :P
[16:26] <BlackFate> jacob, join #ubuntu-bugs-announce to get links etc :P
[16:26] <BlackFate> eeebotu does this
[16:27] <jacob> BlackFate: right, but ubottu/ubot4 would usually repeat a link for a bug when you say the number
[16:27] <jacob> as in, bug #401494
[16:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401494 in ubuntu "keyboard dosn't work in terminal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401494
[16:27] <jacob> like that. :)
[16:27] <jacob> (note to self: say "bug" before the number)
[16:27] <BlackFate> ah didnt know this small detail. im new around freenode
[16:28] <jacob> welcome to the network that will consume all of your free time. ;)
[16:29] <BlackFate> jacob, well im a helper in a greek network, i know its prety time consuming :P
[16:35] <bdmurray> hggdh: wrt bug 430953 I just think that one feature not existing in the help is a rather large oversight
[16:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430953 in coreutils "coreutils man pages are incomplete" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430953
[16:37] <hggdh> bdmurray: my personal position is that the man and info pages should match. Old, hard-core UNIX users are quite used to man, not to info (myself, for example). But upstream position has been rather firm in that
[16:38] <hggdh> the man pages are usually only changed when an error is spotted on them...
[16:38] <bdmurray> hggdh: how about saying its a bug becasue @1234567890 is not a string? "display time described by STRING, not `now'"
[16:40] <hggdh> we can try... but I would expect a response to adjust the info page *only*. We can, nevertheless, try to propose a patch with the correction on both man and info
[16:40] <BlackFate> well some commands are not in man
[16:40] <BlackFate> like "let"
[16:42] <hggdh> The point is if we look at 'man date' and "info coreutils 'date invocation'" it is easy to see that the info pages are much more elaborate
[16:45] <hggdh> bdmurray: 'date -d @1234567890' -- "@1234567890" *is* a string ;-)
[16:59] <hggdh> bdmurray: one thing I just thought: the --help should state that the help (and 'man') output is simplified, and "please see info coreutils 'date invocation' for full options"
[16:59] <hggdh> I think this would be accepted upstream
[17:02] <bdmurray> that'd be something, I guess its not really that important though
[17:04] <hggdh> BlackFate: 'let' as in bash scripting?
[17:04] <hggdh> bdmurray: I am not sure it is not important. I do *not* like this behaviour ;-)
[17:16] <ejat> where should i check if the splash wont show up while booting ?
[17:20] <^arky^> ejat: you can remove 'splash' entry in grub
[17:20] <ejat> it happened after my latest upgrade
[17:21] <ejat> it will show the splash when restart or shutdown ..
[17:21] <ejat> but not at the start ..
[17:47] <Kamusin> how can I manage a report that is directly (apparently) a conectivity issue with a mirror?
[23:06] <alourie> good evening
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ola alourie
[23:07] <alourie> BUGabundo: hya
[23:07] <alourie> brb, need to reboot
[23:19]  * alourie is back
[23:19] <alourie> hello
[23:22] <BUGabundo> hey
[23:25] <bdmurray> hi
[23:29] <BrairRabbi> anyone know why Karmic Koala live cd daily build, hangs in an endless loop, just as the boot music starts to play, x86 and AMD64 affected.
[23:30] <BUGabundo> BrairRabbi: please ask on #ubuntu+1
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> hey BUGabundo
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> you might notice i subscribed you to a compiz bug earlier ;)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> hey crimsun
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I did
[23:35] <BUGabundo> thanks so much
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> it seems that the keybindings are broken for everybody
[23:35] <BUGabundo> fell free to sub me to the readahead bug too :)
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I bet
[23:37] <crimsun> BUGabundo: yes?
[23:38] <alourie> I had a major crash since last upgrade. How do I report it?
[23:38] <alourie> just post /var/log/messages as one single bug? :-)
[23:38] <BUGabundo> crimsun: typo. sorry, was meant fro chrisccoulson
[23:38] <BUGabundo> alourie didn't apport fire up?
[23:41] <alourie> BUGabundo: well
[23:41] <alourie> Xorg crashed as a result in nvidia's segfault
[23:41] <alourie> and then
[23:42] <alourie> grub just got screwed so machine didn't boot
[23:42] <alourie> so no :-)
[23:43] <alourie> There are still udev errors when machine boots
[23:43] <alourie> and once in a while it requires manual fsck
[23:45] <alourie> so the only way I can see that apport would catch it, is if it runs before grub2 :-)
[23:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:49] <alourie> nah, I want to sleep now, will deal with filing bugs some other day
[23:49] <alourie> good night all


[04:14] <InHisName> Silent night
[04:14] <InHisName> Good Morning
[10:03] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:11] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:12] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[11:41] <InHisName> Hello JonathanD and rmg51
[12:29] <jedijf> science
[12:30] <waltman> SCIENCE!
[12:30]  * waltman sees that jedijf is also listening to XPN :)
[12:37] <jedijf> always :)
[12:38] <jedijf> well, in the office always
[12:46] <InHisName> Well the program surely isn't science friday, so what is it about?
[12:51] <jedijf> InHisName: music - she blinded me with science, thomas dolby
[12:51] <jedijf> friday is funk friday's, of course
[12:51] <jedijf> funky*
[12:53] <InHisName> I  C
[14:45] <ChinnoDog> I miss pennbot
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> Someone remind me again why PennBot isn't here.
[14:49] <ChinnoDog> If it is lack of resources I could run a supybot on my server
[14:55] <adom> hi all
[14:56] <adom> got a 4GB USB flash drive that's giving me errors when I try to reformat it. "Read-Only filesystem" I don't need to keep the data on it, just want to reformat it for normal everyday use. what should my next step be?
[15:10] <InHisName> ummm, maybe --->sudo format ?
[15:16] <jedijf> adom: unmount it and try
[15:18] <adom> tried that
[15:19] <adom> this is the first time ive ever seen this
[15:19] <adom> a usb flash drive that won't let you delete the partition, format the partition, format the drive, anything
[15:19] <adom> locked down
[15:19] <adom> and no hardware switch/toggle
[15:20] <adom> last shot is gparted. but need to download iso for that and boot into it. might do that in a few if i have to.
[15:22] <jedijf> adom: what are you using, fdisk?
[15:22] <adom> whatever will work, ill try fdisk
[15:23] <jedijf> sudo fdisk to delete partition and then mkfs -t vfat to make
[15:23] <jedijf> pick right disk/partitions
[15:24] <jedijf> just had someone blow up internal playing with usb on sat
[15:24] <jedijf> and then blame linux
[15:43] <adom> im guessing the drive should be unmounted when fdisking?
[15:45] <adom> jedijf: "unable to write /dev/sdc"
[15:46] <adom> wtf is going on with this flash drive...read-only *drive*? its one thing to see a read only partition, but the drive was working fine but now its read-only...?
[15:49] <adom> whats the method for writing zeros to a drive in linux?
[15:49] <adom> nvm ill google
[15:50] <InHisName> dd
[15:50] <adom> yeah that
[15:50] <InHisName> man dd
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[15:50] <adom> thx
[15:51] <passstab> i learned that signifys a corrupt disk
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> If it is full of zeros there is nothing to be corrupt
[15:52] <adom> when i do dmesg | grep "\[sd" the drive hasthe write protect flag on
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> Are you zeroing the drive or a partition?
[15:53] <adom> unsure, which should i try? dont care about contents of drive, just want it usable again
[15:53] <ChinnoDog> be sure all partitions on the drive are unmounted and then zero the drive
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> Why is it not usable?
[15:54] <adom> its write-protected
[15:54] <adom> readonly filesystem
[15:54] <adom> cant delete partition or reformat drive
[15:54] <adom> crazyballs
[15:54] <adom> going to try dd
[15:55] <adom> dd: opening `/dev/sdc': Read-only file system
[15:55] <adom> craptacular
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> oh. Corrupt file system
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> /dev/sdc isn't a file system
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> oh, I see what you mean. Your disk might be bad
[15:56] <adom> right, but corrupt file system shouldnt stop me from wiping the *drive* right?
[15:56] <adom> oh
[15:56] <adom> didnt think of that
[15:56] <adom> i cna read the files on it fine, just can write/delete/modify
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> The disk gets marked as read only if it throws too many errors
[15:56] <adom> that seems to make sense
[15:56] <adom> so where am i looking for errors?
[15:57] <adom> is there a mounting log i should look at?
[15:57] <adom> /var/log/messages?
[15:57] <ChinnoDog> yea, or syslog. I forget where it appears
[15:57] <ChinnoDog> look for messages about errors attaching to the disk
[15:59] <adom> this is all i got
[15:59] <adom> /var/log/syslog:Mar 21 11:40:13 Hyperion kernel: [1119063.708844] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is on
[16:33] <aurigus> ive had problems wiping disks with drive errors.  Win95 was released in 94 so I was probably running Win95b by then.
[17:33] <rmg51> ChinnoDog: for one so young you have a bad memory
[17:34] <rmg51> according to wikipedia 95 was released aug.24 1995
[17:35] <rmg51> 95b didn't come out till just before 98 was released
[17:36] <rmg51> 95b was oem only
[17:37] <rmg51> and somewhat a preview of 98
[17:41] <ChinnoDog> Oh. I thought it was released in 94
[17:41] <ChinnoDog> Maybe I preordered in 94? lol
[17:42] <ChinnoDog> 95b was oem only but it didn't stop us from aquiring it
[17:42] <ChinnoDog> We kids /had/ to have it.. because 95a was so choc full of bugs
[17:43] <ChinnoDog> Also, fat32
[17:45] <jedijf> adom: dareks boot and nuke
[17:59] <adom> back from lunch. going to boot up a copy of darek's bootnuke i have
[18:06] <adom> boot and nuke is a fail. when listing devices, it just lists the usb flash drive as "[????] Unrecognized Device" and i cant start the process
[18:19] <adom> done. telling the student to take it back to where he got it and shove it up their butt.
[18:19] <adom> with the reciept
[18:20] <adom> receipt?
[18:20] <adom> i always get ie/ei wrong
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> When two vowels go a walking the first one does the talking
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> kindergarten++
[18:47] <ChinnoDog> except when they are friends... I guess. I don't know what other 'ie' exceptions there are.
[19:23] <cythes> Is PA doing another release party?
[19:24] <InHisName> Wanna start one, cythes?
[19:28] <cythes> If I had the know how / cash yeah lol
[19:29] <ssweeny> cythes, it's really not difficult
[19:29] <ssweeny> cythes, just post to the list: i will be at <location> with a laptop and party hat
[19:30] <cythes> Lol I would not know where to start one.
[19:32] <cythes> Go back to that place in Manayunk a while ago would be cool. But I live in pottstown so I would likely pick a place somewhere nearer... like the movie tavern in collgeville or something.
[19:32] <ssweeny> cythes, where do you live?
[19:32] <cythes> Pottstown
[19:32] <cythes> Well actually Just outside of Pottstown.
[19:35]  * jedijf was thinking manayunk again
[19:41] <cythes> Problem being I would need a ride too / from. Doubt anyone would want to run me back to P-Town since I can likely get a ride too. Unlike last time pleia2 / ChinnoDog are not in the area lulz
[20:10] <aurigus> movie tavern! was there a few months ago
[20:12] <cythes> I would do on there... I just dont know how many people are in this local area of the Local people.


[00:36] <tlp> Hi. Apparently my Lucid filesystem contains inconsistencies and requires me to run fsck manually. The problem is, I can't ssh in and I have no option for a command prompt. Is there any way to get one, or do I have to use a LiveCD?
[00:36] <tlp> I've got Plymouth, apparently.
[00:38] <Sarvatt> holding shift while booting will bring up the grub menu where you can pick recovery
[00:38] <tlp> cool. thanks
[00:46] <tlp> heh. fsck is caught in an endless loop. The process dies because it wants me to run it manually, and then Ubuntu runs the command again. So no command prompt in recovery mode either.
[00:51] <slangasek> for which filesystem?
[00:52] <slangasek> what's supposed to happen is that mountall exits with an error, triggering the mountall-shell job
[00:52] <tlp>  /dev/sda1
[00:52] <tlp> that's the behavior I expect, yeah
[00:52] <slangasek> I mean, what's the mountpoint
[00:52] <tlp> I think it
[00:52] <slangasek> is this the root filesystem?
[00:52] <tlp> er, it's /
[00:52] <tlp> yes
[00:53] <slangasek> so as a workaround, I would suggest setting init=/bin/sh and manually running the fsck
[00:53] <slangasek> and then rebooting
[00:53] <tlp> ok. seems like something worthy of a bug report
[00:54] <slangasek> after you've done that, please file a bug on mountall, yes
[00:55] <ion> tlp: Did i get this right, you have Plymouth, but it doesn’t ask (graphically, that is, along with the Ubuntu logo) whether to fix the filesystem problems?
[00:56] <tlp> I may have been confused, because I wasn't sure what bheavior to expect, but I'll reboot now to confirm that's true.
[00:56] <tlp> when I got home, the Ubuntu boot logo was on the screen and nothing else. I imagine there was a power outage or something and it stalled on fsck.
[00:58] <ion> Things not quite working well when Plymouth isn’t available is a known problem and will be fixed for Lucid. I was under the impression things like what you’re encountering should work by now when Plymouth is available. I haven’t tested that myself, though.
[00:58] <tlp> oh. No, Plymouth doesn't seem to do anything special
[00:59] <slangasek> in cases where interaction is needed, mountall is supposed to exit, triggering mountall-shell, triggering plymouth to exit
[01:00] <tlp> I see what looks like a loading bar briefly, which then disappears. If I press escape to make Plymouth die, I see the fsck error
[01:00] <slangasek> chances are you'd get better output if text display wasn't broken in the version of plymouth in the archive
[01:01] <ion> Looking at the source, the current version of mountall should tell Plymouth to say ‘%s filesystem has errors [SIFM]’ and if the user hits F(ix), it should run fsck again with mnt->fsck_fix = TRUE.
[01:01] <slangasek> that'll be fixed soon, but I wanted to give Keybnz a chance to review it before uploading
[01:02] <ion> But yeah, as i said, i haven’t actually tried any situation where mountall asks plymouth to output text.
[01:03] <slangasek> ion: are you interested in building plymouth out of bzr and putting it through its paces, to see whether my changes are OMGbroken?
[01:03] <slangasek> I'm not sure Keybuk will have a chance to review before next week, and I don't really want to upload straight to the archive without getting other eyeballs on it
[01:03] <ion> slangasek: I’ll do that today, after some sleep.
[01:03] <slangasek> ok :)
[01:04] <ion> tlp: So, assuming Plymouth text rendering is broken, perhaps try hitting F blindly instead of escape and see if it magically runs fsck with the right flags to fix the filesystem. :-)
[01:05] <tlp> k, will do
[01:06] <slangasek> zul: finished my analysis of nmbd upstart conversion - bug #513035 is a blocker
[01:07] <tlp> ion: nope, doesn't seem to do anything
[01:09] <ion> tlp: Anyway, booting with init=/sbin/sulogin (or init=/bin/sh for a works-for-sure but less friendly shell) and running fsck -C0 -y /dev/<device> manually should work.
[01:10] <tlp> yeah, I think I can fix it. Just wanted to test your theory; thanks for the help everyone. Wasn't sure where to take this question/report, since I know this isn't a support channel.
[01:10] <slangasek> tlp: I'm afraid we're well into "development" territory here, so it's clearly on-topic :)
[01:13] <tlp> that was my rationale :p
[01:14] <zul> slangasek: cool...interesting
[01:17] <slangasek> zul: that's actually the /lesser/ blocker; the /greater/ blocker is the one I allude to in the description, that 'start on event1 and net-device-up' will cause 'ifup' to hang in some cases... I need to dig into eucalyptus to make a solid case for making that event asynchronous
[01:20] <zul> ah
[01:26] <ion> slangasek: Unless i remember incorrectly, Keybuk has already said the blocking behavior was a mistake that should be fixed. :-)
[01:26] <slangasek> ion: the blocking behavior of /etc/network/if-up.d/upstart?   that's not what he told me last
[01:26] <ion> Hm, ok, i must have mixed that up with something sadmac@#upstart said.
[01:27] <slangasek> well, he may have told you something different, perhaps based on new information he didn't have when he talked to me :)
[01:27] <ion> I think it’s most probable i remembered incorrectly.
[01:29] <ion> Oh, sorry, i misread your initial line. I must be tired. :-) I missed the part about ifup blocking and thought you were talking about event1 blocking until net-device-up just because $randomjob has that ‘start on’ stanza.
[01:30] <slangasek> well - fixing that would make it irrelevant whether ifup is blocking or non-blocking, but that's the *hard* bug that we know's not being fixed in lucid
[01:30] <ion> As for ifup blocking, hmm. That *is* a problematic case indeed.
[01:37] <InvaderZim> help. i patched uvcvideo module for a webcam to work, and it worked, but the module was at /extra/ and the old one at the kernel tree. so after rebooting it stopped working. dmesg now gives errors typical of a module requiring a newer kernel... now i cant revert back to the old error message before patching (which was just one line of error)... I think depmod or someth has cached the problematic uvcvideo module symbols, and doesnt matter which driver
[01:53] <InvaderZim> no one?
[03:44] <tlp> slangasek: Looks like someone beat me to it with bug #501801
[06:04] <pitti> Good morning
[06:06] <pitti> asac: argh, now firefox does it again
[06:06] <pitti> it worked yesterday, hrm
[06:14] <pitti> asac: hacking extensions.{ini,rdf} is a bit inconsistent, but I think it's either the  langpacks (which are currently broken anyway and need to be updated to 3.6) or vimperator
[06:21] <pitti> asac: ok, got it again, and I didn't have vimperator installed this time
[06:21]  * pitti blames the outdated langpacks
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04]  * pitti hugs dholbach
[07:05]  * dholbach hugs pitti back
[08:56] <lifeless> cjwatson: ~cjwatson/debian-installer/main/.bzr is deprecated ...
[08:56] <lifeless> cjwatson: can I convince you to upgrade it ? :)
[09:10] <tseliot> pitti: my upload of ia32libs got stuck at 606673k/606674k for the 2nd time now (and it takes hours for me to upload it). Any ideas of what's going on?
[09:10] <pitti> tseliot: LP just went down
[09:10] <pitti> for upgrade
[09:10] <pitti> argh, you're doing that at home? poor you
[09:11] <pitti> tseliot: I did ia32-libs updates on a porter box (ronne) in the DC
[09:11] <tseliot> pitti: ok, but it failed last night too
[09:11] <pitti> build binaries there, and scp them to my box for testing
[09:11] <pitti> tseliot: no idea about last night, though
[09:11] <tseliot> pitti: can you explain me how I can do that (in private) please?
[09:11] <pitti> tseliot: perhaps you can rsync it against the current versino to chinstrap and dput from there?
[10:00] <asac> pitti: do you have xul-ext-greasemonkey?
[10:02] <pitti> asac: not right now; that one might actually have been the culprit indeed
[10:02] <seb128> re
[10:02] <asac> pitti: i can reproduce ffox not starting twice with that
[10:03] <asac> and seb too ;)
[10:03] <seb128> une daily chart is 17.5 seconds
[10:03] <seb128> asac, do you know if somebody opened a bug btw?
[10:03]  * asac hopes its just greasmonkey and not system extensions in general
[10:04] <pitti> seb128: uh, with 2.6.32-11?
[10:04] <pitti> I can't get it below 20 with that kernel
[10:05] <seb128> pitti, no, still -10
[10:05] <pitti> ah
[10:05] <seb128> I don't know how you get linux upgraded
[10:05] <pitti> the one with broken suspend
[10:05] <seb128> I use update-manager daily
[10:05] <pitti> I reinstalled yesterday
[10:06] <pitti> but usually I'm just using apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:06] <pitti> since jaunty, update-manager doesn't appear any more in the tray, so that's faster
[10:06] <seb128> urg
[10:06] <seb128> I though we were on #u-d ;-)
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: we are..
[10:08] <pitti> the other -d?
[10:08] <seb128> yeah ;-)
[10:29] <pitti> yay, upload works again
[10:29] <pitti> tseliot: ^ FYI
[10:48] <tseliot> pitti: \o/
[10:51] <tseliot> pitti: it only took 16 seconds to upload ia32-libs (it took ~6 hours here...)
[10:54] <pitti> yay phat pipes
[11:26] <geser> could an archive-admin please remove the old texlive-base-bin package (it's in NBS now)? texlive-binaries provides texlive-base-bin and all packages on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/texlive-base-bin have an unversioned dependency on texlive-base-bin so they continue to be installable with texlive-binaries. the only exception is jadetex but ther is bug #511399 waiting on sponsoring
[11:26] <geser> to get it fixed.
[11:27] <geser> this should get some FTBFS resolved caused by the TeXLive update as the buildds try to install the old (now uninstallable) texlive-base-bin instead of texlive-binaries and complain about it
[11:50] <directhex> Riddell, was it you who OK'd chromium-browser?
[11:55] <Riddell> directhex: yes
[11:56] <directhex> Riddell, how does one go about getting an exception to the usual "no bundled $everything please" rules that are widely understood to govern getting things accepted?
[11:57] <Riddell> directhex: there is no such rule for getting into the archive
[11:57] <Riddell> you're probably thinking of main inclusion requests
[11:57] <Riddell> which aren't my area
[12:00] <directhex> Riddell, so an upload with 40 meg of bundled source wouldn't get rejected on principle?
[12:00] <directhex> assuming a valid debian/copyright of course
[12:02] <asac> directhex: there we want to provide a great experience. software like chromium firefox without bundled third party wouldnt be able to exist given how the system libs progress/regress in different ubuntu releases
[12:04] <Riddell> directhex: as an archive admin I care about licencing, namespace pollution and making sure the package actually has some source code and was ment to be uploaded, how it builds it's interesting.  it will cause problems for the MIR though if the security guys have anything to do with it
[12:08] <directhex> Riddell, roger. i'll take that as a green light
[12:29] <apw> pitti, where we have blueprints with no work items, what do you think of faking an item on the owner for the blueprint of 'specifiy initial tasks' or similar
[12:29] <apw> such that we end up with something in there
[12:38] <pitti> apw: usually you should get a mail with "this bp has no WIs"
[12:39] <pitti> but sure, a fake WI works, too
[12:39] <pitti> I need to leave for ~ 1.5 hours
[12:39] <apw> ack
[12:50] <rah> is changing the default search engine of redistributed firefox binaries permitted by the firefox license?
[12:53] <directhex> rah, it wouldn't be Free Software if it wasn't permitted
[12:55] <rah> directhex: you mean this software which isn't distributed by Debian, wouldn't be free software? :)
[12:56] <directhex> rah, trademarks & software licensing are distinct issues. the former drove the decision to produce an unbranded version in debian
[12:56] <rah> directhex: both are also cognate issues; they are both issues of intellectual property licensing
[12:57] <rah> directhex: but none of this addresses the issue of whether changing the default search engine in redistributed firefox binaries is permitted by the mozilla foundation?
[12:57] <directhex> rah, "intellectual property" is a made-up term designed to confuse different sections of law. but, regardless, the software license for firefox absolutely cannot say "this section is invariant, i.e. you may not change it" without it becoming non-free
[12:58] <rah> the idea of the default search engine being some "section" of the software seems odd
[12:59] <rah> it seems more odd than considering the firefox branding images to be a "section" of the software
[12:59] <directhex> see also: http://popey.com/blog/2010/01/26/yahoobuntu/#comment-1905
[13:04] <directhex> the default search engine is absolutely a question of source. a Yahoo search provider is already upstream, in mozilla/browser/locales/en-US/searchplugins/yahoo.xml
[13:05] <directhex> so it's changing 1 line to make that one the default rather than google.xml
[13:21] <apw> pitti, the update process for the work-items db, how does that work, do you just write over the original db?  I seem to be getting partial db's at cirtain times of the hour
[13:22] <apw> pitti, it also appears to be completing between :40 and :50 now when it used to be done between :10 and :20 normally
[13:25] <Riddell> ev: for kubuntu netbook we need to enable the netbook workspace at bootup of the live environment which I know how to do in casper and also for the installed environment, how do I do that?
[13:29] <ev> Riddell: one option would be to put a script to do it in /usr/lib/ubiquity/target-config
[13:36] <Riddell> ev: that looks like just the thing, thanks
[13:36] <ev> sure thing
[13:43] <d1b> ok what's with the move to yahoo?
[13:44] <soren> d1b: Don't know. What /is/ with it?
[13:44] <d1b> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html
[13:44] <soren> Yes...
[13:45] <d1b> seems like a short sighted move.
[13:45] <soren> d1b: Rick explains what and why pretty well, I think.
[13:45] <d1b> soren: i don't.
[13:45] <soren> Hence my question:
[13:45] <soren> 14:44:10 < soren> d1b: Don't know. What /is/ with it?
[13:46] <d1b> soren: well this is funding microsoft
[13:46] <d1b> which contributes to bug 1
[13:47] <ogra> d1b, what makes you think that ?
[13:48] <d1b> ogra: yahoo uses bing for its search engine now
[13:48] <d1b> that costs yahoo and microsoft gets paid for it
[13:48] <ogra> d1b, wrong
[13:48] <d1b> ogra: yahoo pays ms
[13:48]  * soren has a difficult time getting worked up about the whole one proprietary web service by default vs. another proprietary web service by default
[13:49] <ogra> d1b, you should inform yourself before ranting :)
[13:49] <d1b> ogra: i have
[13:49] <ogra> d1b, they share the revenue from ads
[13:49] <soren> ogra: Yahoo search engine is backed by Bing. Since around 6 months ago.
[13:49] <ogra> soren, thats right
[13:49] <ogra> soren, i just say the assumption that yahoo pays for it is wrong
[13:49] <d1b> ogra: ok fine they don't pay ms, but ms still profits
[13:50] <soren> ogra: Ah.
[13:51] <ari-tczew> soren: have you got time for sponsoring?
[13:51] <ari-tczew> note: small merges
[13:52] <soren> ari-tczew: Depends on what it is. I've got a pretty hefty fever today, I'm not exactly clearheaded, so if you can find someone else... :)
[13:52] <ogra> d1b, well, effectively yahoo pays for ubuntu development through the mentioned agreement in the mail, i wouldnt say that raises MS market share in any way
[13:53] <ogra> i'D rather say it lowers :)
[13:53] <ari-tczew> soren, I'm looking for any sponsor too long
[13:53] <soren> ari-tczew: For which package?
[13:53] <d1b> http://www.chuckfrain.net/blog/2010/01/26/forced-changes-in-my-browser/
[13:53] <highvoltage> yes I'm with soren on this one. it's just one proprietary search engine for another. big deal.
[13:53] <ari-tczew> soren, bug 503136
[13:53] <highvoltage> (yahoo's home page is way more sleezy though, showing me ads to work from home and make lots of money)
[13:54] <soren> ari-tczew: I have /no/ clue about dmraid.
[13:54] <d1b> highvoltage: yes but ubuntu is then funding ms.
[13:54] <ari-tczew> soren, maybe this? bug 499671
[13:54] <ogra> by earning money from ms ?
[13:55] <soren> d1b: Microsoft pays Yahoo. Yahoo pays Canonical.
[13:55] <ogra> how is that funding
[13:55] <ogra> its lowering their income ...
[13:55] <soren> ari-tczew: sorry, I'm not your man today. I'm trying to focus on super simple things I know all about already. :)
[13:55] <lool> Does someone know which kernel configs upstart needs?
[13:56] <lool> I'm trying to figure out why I get Event failed errors when using a qemu armel versatile kernel
[13:56] <d1b> ogra: microsoft pays yahoo sure, by using yahoo microsoft profits.
[13:56] <ari-tczew> thanks for all sponsor for main. I always know that you are very helpful team.
[13:57] <micahg> d1b:  a little more funding for MS won't make them any bigger...a little more funding for Canonical probably will, also IMHO, bug 1 is to get MS out of first place, not crush them entirely
[13:57] <Riddell> ev: committed to casper, could you do a quick check?  bash is so easy to make mistakes in
[13:57] <ogra> in any case thats a totally offtopic discussion for this channel :)
[13:58] <lool> Riddell: You mean busybox?  ;)
[13:58] <d1b> next up on the mailing list, ubuntu to use the windows kernel, "we were paid for it"
[13:58] <Riddell> lool: mm, even more easy to make mistakes in
[13:59] <d1b> erh sorry, it just seems that way to me atm.
[13:59] <d1b> i know ubuntu needs revenue.
[13:59] <d1b> just if it was handled better (gui that suggests yahoo and has other options)
[14:00] <ion> pitti: Great work with desktop-lucid-startup-speed, btw.
[14:00] <lool> Riddell: You need to +x the scripts
[14:01] <Riddell> lool: thanks, fixed
[14:06] <lifeless> pitti: if I have a bunch of tracebacks, do you know of somthing that will group them?
[14:10] <ev> Riddell: did you commit to lp:ubuntu/casper?
[14:11] <pitti> slangasek: tkamppeter mentioned that GSoC project, but it won't land in time for lucid
[14:12] <pitti> apw: update process> it's one big transaction, so most of the time it's just writing its journal
[14:12] <pitti> apw: between 40 and 50? that rather sounds like the one on macaroni? people updates at :05, as before
[14:12] <pitti> ion: \o/
[14:13] <apw> pitti, hrm ... ok sounds like i am getting my data from the wrong place
[14:13] <pitti> lifeless: if they get submitted as apport-generated bugs, they will be auto-duplicated
[14:13] <tseliot> pitti: can I upload jockey after I (successfully) test it or shall I wait?
[14:13] <ev> Riddell: context> 16:51 <cjwatson> superm1,pitti,ev: please note for future commits that casper is in lp:ubuntu/casper now rather than lp:caspper
[14:13] <pitti> lifeless: in theory that functionality is available in python-apport as well, but it's not a two-liner to set it up; do you need this locally for something?
[14:14] <pitti> tseliot: go ahead; please just ensure that you commit the changes to trunk, and merge from that
[14:14] <Riddell> ev: hmm, I did not
[14:14] <pitti> tseliot: like, the do_blacklist change, etc.
[14:15] <tseliot> pitti: ah, ok, I won't apply the changes directly to ubuntu-core-dev. The handlers will still need to be updated manually I guess
[14:15] <tseliot> as the ones in trunk are older than the ones in ubuntu-core-dev
[14:17] <Riddell> ev: merged, how confusing
[14:17] <apw> pitti, however i just updated and got the same partial update i get from the macaroni one
[14:17] <apw> i bet i get a fuller update at 20 past
[14:17] <pitti> apw: right, people is currently running
[14:18] <pitti> apw: just weird that it already commits stuff
[14:18] <pitti> it's one big transaction
[14:18] <apw> pitti, is this thing updateing these db's in place, ie direct to lucid.db, and not to lucid.db.new then renaming
[14:18] <pitti> apw: yes, in-place
[14:18] <pitti> sqlite handles locking itself usually
[14:18] <apw> right but thats no use if one is copying the db over wget
[14:18] <pitti> apw: grabbing the people db at :30 should work fine; it's usually taking until :15 or so
[14:19] <apw> and the db is appearing empty
[14:19] <ev> Riddell: looks good
[14:19] <apw> it might be nice to just have; cp lucid.db lucid.db.tmp; mv lucid.db.tmp lucid.db.stable
[14:19] <apw> and then people who need to do what i am can just take .stable and get a complete clean db always at any time
[14:19] <Riddell> ev: groovy, I'll upload
[14:20] <apw> and not have to know when you are updating
[14:20] <lifeless> pitti: yeah, we're categorising udd package import failures
[14:21] <lifeless> pitti: e.g. http://package-import.ubuntu.com/failures/wine
[14:23] <pitti> lifeless: python -c 'import apport.crashdb; help(apport.crashdb)' describes the CrashDatabase of apport
[14:23] <lifeless> pitti: thanks
[14:23] <pitti> lifeless: in essence, you init it with a .db filename (sqlite), and keep calling check_duplicate()
[14:23] <lifeless> pitti: does it really need a db ?
[14:24] <pitti> lifeless: well, you need to store the "known" master signatures somewhere
[14:24] <pitti> lifeless: the sqlite usage is pretty well woven into this
[14:24] <pitti> lifeless: the downside is that it is designed to work with a "crash database"
[14:24] <pitti> lifeless: apport has an in-memory one, so you don't need Launchpad
[14:25] <pitti> lifeless: if you neither want a sqlite db, then perhaps it's better to just reimplement it
[14:25] <pitti> it's not rocket science, after all
[14:25] <lifeless> pitti: :)
[14:25] <lifeless> I shall poke at it - thanks!
[14:25] <pitti> lifeless: look at /usr/share/pyshared/apport/report.py, def crash_signature()
[14:26] <apw> pitti, so what do you think about making a stable copy of the db available at the end of the run
[14:26] <pitti> lifeless: that turns a traceback (or signal crash, etc.) into a "primary key" which the retracer uses for identifying dupes
[14:27] <pitti> lifeless: so you need to store those signatures somewhere (that's the sqlite db that I mentioned), and for every incoming exception you calculate the signature and look it up
[14:27] <lifeless> pitti: does your code do fuzzy matching?
[14:27] <lifeless> I guess you mask our variables while making the key
[14:27] <lifeless> s/our/out/
[14:27] <pitti> lifeless: no, it just chains the top 5 function names and the exception name
[14:28] <pitti> which seems to work well for "general" crashes
[14:28] <pitti> i. e. ignoring arguments
[14:28] <pitti> but after that, only strict matching
[14:30] <lifeless> pitti: thanks a lot; we may not end up doing anything but thats a really good pointer.
[14:35] <BenC> I'm loving this new enforcement of being identified to be in certain channel
[14:41] <lool> Ok so my upstart issue might be that udev wasn't starting due to lack of inotify support
[14:42] <lool> What I was seeing was the "mounted /dev" event being generated but then nothing at all and a /core from /sbin/init but init still running
[14:56] <micahg> pitti: do you remember on hardy if you can use apport for packages from PPAs?
[14:57] <lool> Bah my kernel is 2.6.30 and I need 2.6.32 for devtmpfs
[14:58] <pitti> micahg: independently of the release, apport generally disallows filing bugs for PPA packages
[14:58] <pitti> micahg: some package hooks (like ubuntuone) overwrite that, though
[14:58] <micahg> pitti: so I can disable it in the firefox hook if I want to get bugs?
[14:59] <pitti> micahg: yes; I don't think that worked in hardy yet, though
[14:59] <micahg> pitti: ok, it'll be useful for future and current testing in Karmic and up though
[15:00] <pitti> micahg: ISTR that asac already asked me about that; not sure, perhaps the current daily PPAs already have that
[15:01] <micahg> it doesn't seem to work for the firefox 3.6 package we made, but I can look at ubuntuone as an example
[15:02] <micahg> thanks pitti
[15:06] <asac> pitti: we are concerned about hardy-jaunty too ...
[15:06] <asac> or will hardy just always work?
[15:07]  * ogra is mr superbrave and runs update-manager -d now
[15:08] <mvo> ogra: ohhh, http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/
[15:08]  * ogra looks
[15:09] <mvo> ogra: it will probably go ok, its mostly file overwrite issues that are left and the gui upgrade runs with --force-overwrite
[15:09] <ogra> looks ok i only have ubuntu
[15:09] <ogra> we'll see
[15:09] <ogra> if i encounter probs i'll moan loudly :)
[15:36] <zul> pitti: ping
[15:36] <pitti> pong
[15:37] <zul> pitti: for the psycopg2 MIR i split of the testsuite into a seperate package like when did for puppet
[15:37] <pitti> zul: oh, why that?
[15:37] <zul> so it can be integrated in to the qa-regression testsuite
[15:37] <pitti> I thought it was just part of the source
[15:37] <pitti> ah, I see
[15:37] <pitti> nice
[15:38] <zul> pitti: so I think that one can be promoted now if you agree
[15:38] <ogra> pitti, hmm, i see a workitem for a spec of mine on the tracker listed twice (one time its done the other its todo)
[15:39] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html "Move uboot-imx to main to use it from the image build machines"
[15:39] <pitti> ogra: weird; can you please file a bug about it?
[15:39] <ogra> err, sorry, todo and postponed
[15:39] <ogra> will do, whats the product ?
[15:39] <pitti> ogra: ah, nevermind
[15:40] <pitti> ogra: there _are_ two work items on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-imx51-debian-cd-to-uboot
[15:40]  * ogra checks
[15:40] <pitti> one as todo, one as postponed
[15:40] <ogra> there shouldnt be
[15:40] <pitti> that's a side effect of duplicating WIs
[15:40] <ogra> oh A3 vs overall
[15:40] <pitti> they won't dupe on teh per-milestone chart, but of course they will on the "entire release" one
[15:41] <ogra> yeah
[15:41] <ogra> sorry for the noise
[15:41] <pitti> np :)
[15:41] <randomaction> Do I need to file a sync request for a package recently added to Debian (now in testing)? It's not in Ubuntu yet.
[15:41]  * ogra really hates the CSS layout of the spec pages ... the whiteboard became totally unreadable with that column setting
[15:44] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starting in #ubuntu-classroom (on irc.freenode.net) in 16 minutes
[15:46] <pitti> randomaction: those regularly get imported, so now you don't need to yet
[15:46] <randomaction> pitti: ok thank you
[15:51] <dholbach> kirkland, DktrKranz: if you hop into #ubuntu-classroom now, I'll op you
[15:51] <kirkland> dholbach: done
[15:51] <dholbach> kirkland: thanks
[15:54] <lool> I dont get why "initctl emit mounted MOUNTPOINT=/dev" fails; I reduced the script to an echo and a MAKEDEV fd
[15:58] <ogra> seb128, could bug 512959 be caused by the fact that libgtk2.0-common was upgraded on armel but libgtk2.0 itself wasnt yet due to ftbfs (it just built now buit isnt published yet)
[15:58] <seb128> ogra, no
[15:58] <seb128> ogra, libgtk2.0-common is empty basically
[15:59] <seb128> ogra, it has translations on debian but those move to langpacks
[15:59] <ogra> oh, k
[15:59] <seb128> ogra, and some gtkrc which didn't change for years
[15:59] <ogra> i just didnt see the issue yet and doing a dist-upgrade doesnt update nautilus
[15:59] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/363941/ is all i get
[16:00] <ogra> gnome-session was ftbfs as well i had to give it back today
[16:00] <seb128> ogra, well upgrade and see if you get the issue
[16:00] <seb128> or if that's a one box issue
[16:00] <ogra> right
[16:00] <DktrKranz> dottedmag: there I am
[16:00] <ogra> well, we also have different silicon, plars is on a babbage 3.0 i'm on a 2.5
[16:01] <DktrKranz> dottedmag: sorry, bad ping :)
[16:01] <DktrKranz> dholbach: there I am
[16:01] <ogra> so it could even be HW version related (though thats rare)
[16:01] <dholbach> DktrKranz: opped you
[16:01] <plars> ogra: I'm also seeing it on imx51 now
[16:01] <plars> err
[16:01]  * DktrKranz hugs dholbach
[16:01]  * dholbach hugs DktrKranz back
[16:01] <plars> ogra: sorry, meant to say that I see it on both dove and imx51
[16:01] <seb128> ogra, try upgrading by steps maybe
[16:01] <seb128> ogra, ie apt-get install the new libglib2.0-0 first
[16:01] <seb128> try with that
[16:01] <seb128> etc
[16:02] <ogra> to late
[16:02] <seb128> ogra, ok
[16:03]  * ogra reboots to see if it shows up
[16:06] <ogra> yup, seems i have it too now though that looks more like gnome-session, nothing comes up at all
[16:06] <ogra> i have a wallpaper
[16:06] <ogra> and spinning cursor
[16:07] <plars> ogra: yeah, that's nautilus in a restart loop in the background
[16:07] <ogra> ogra@babbage2:~$ tail -1 .xsession-errors
[16:07] <ogra> *** stack smashing detected ***: nautilus terminated
[16:07] <ogra> yup
[16:17] <slangasek> ion: any luck with bzr plymouth?
[16:18] <ion> slangasek: Sorry, didn’t get around to testing yet.
[16:19] <slangasek> ion: no worries.  when do you think you would have a chance?  should I find some other victi^W volunteers?
[16:19] <ion> slangasek: I’m still going to test it today. Perhaps in 30 minutes or so.
[16:19] <slangasek> ok, cool :)
[16:24] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:24] <_Groo_> guys what is the proper channel for networkmanager bugs?
[16:31] <ogra> plars, neither downgrading glib nor gnome-session fixes it :(
[16:53] <mathiaz> cr3: hey - re bug 512632 - kirkland confirmed it
[16:53] <mathiaz> cr3: which version of lucid have you used to run the test?
[16:57] <cr3> mathiaz: crap, it was an older version because the iso wasn't being extracted after rsync. I need to look into that
[16:59] <mathiaz> cr3: ok
[16:59] <mathiaz> cr3: kirkland said it was working correctly a week ago
[17:16] <ion> slangasek: The splash didn’t appear in initramfs. Most of the startup seemed to happen in the 80×24 text mode (not 1280×800), then the mode changed and the Ubuntu logo appeared and almost immediately after that X started and the mouse cursor appeared on top of the logo.
[17:16] <slangasek> ion: "most of the startup" - so the initramfs wasn't notably more brief?
[17:17] <slangasek> ion: aside from mouse cursor on the logo, did X start up ok?
[17:18] <ion> slangasek: I don’t know about the speed of initramfs, but the usual after-initramfs startup stuff such as the mountall stuff etc. happened without a KMS mode and without splash. The KMS mode change and the splash appeared a fraction of a second before X. X works fine.
[17:20] <slangasek> oh, hmm
[17:21] <slangasek> perhaps we should force plymouth to finish starting before invoking mountall
[17:21] <slangasek> ion: I think 'or starting mountall' in /etc/init/plymouth.conf should achieve this?
[17:23] <ion> slangasek: I’ll do a bit of debugging and testing. Shouldn’t the splash have started in initramfs already, btw?
[17:24] <slangasek> ion: no, /fixing/ that is what I specifically want testing on :)
[17:24] <slangasek> ion: starting the splash in the initramfs slows down the boot
[17:25] <ion> slangasek: What about the ‘/bin/plymouth --show-splash’ line in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/plymouth? I seem to be missing something.
[17:26] <slangasek> ion: that script is only included in the initramfs if the 'FRAMEBUFFER' option is set; plymouth was setting this in order to work around a race condition with gdm, the changes in bzr remove this
[17:26] <ion> Ah
[17:27] <slangasek> ion: could you verify that adding the 'or starting mountall' to the start condition gives you more reasonable post-initramfs behavior?
[17:28] <ion> Yeah, i’ll try that. bbl, rebooting and testing.
[17:43] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 => can somebody check to sponsor this ?
[17:55] <ion> slangasek: plymouthd seems to be started very early, but for some reason, it takes a long time for the actual splash to get started. I installed bootchart now, let’s see whether it reveals anything interesting. Oh, btw, X doesn’t start correctly every time. Sometimes the splash appears and disappears quickly just as X starts, and i’m left with a mouse cursor on a blank screen. At that point, the startup of the X stuff seems to hang and when i try to ...
[17:55] <ion> ... type anything, it seems as if raw keycodes or soemthing like that get printed to a virtual console. The mouse cursor is still active over that screen.
[17:56] <slangasek> ion: ah, doh :/ well, I'll hold off on uploading this until Keybnz can look at it
[17:57] <slangasek> delayed starting of the splash relative to starting plymouthd is expected, that's largely the race condition that I was trying to fix (but it sounds like I didn't get it completely)
[18:12]  * ogra hugs Keybnz
[18:13] <ogra> thats the fastest boot i've every seen !
[18:13] <ogra> sad that it makes gdm feel really slow
[18:16] <ogra> i just could reboot the whole day :)
[18:20] <slangasek> ogra: to avoid any accidental productivity increases from not having to wait for boot? :-)
[18:20] <ogra> heh
[18:21] <ogra> well, i actually catch myself waiting for that darn slow gdm greeter now
[18:21] <ogra> its 3sec to X here (i got a really fast SSD that didnt actually speed anything up in karmic)
[18:21] <ogra> so i'm sitting for 7 sec after drumroll and cursor are there and wait for the greeter
[18:22] <slangasek> 7msg Keybnz 3 seconds?  I was promised instant-on!!!1!
[18:22] <ogra> haha
[18:23] <Viper550> Why. Yahoo.
[18:23] <Viper550> It's pretty much just going to be making Bing the default search engine.
[18:31] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/osiris-lucid-20100127-3.png
[18:31] <ogra> i wonder why the greeter takes so long to map something ... its actually starting at 5.5 sec
[18:33] <ion> slangasek: Initramfs is very fast, yes. It seems the main problem with splash coming up late is that it has to wait for udev events, while udev has to wait for mountall to emit virtual-filesystems and mountall has to wait for ureadahead (i have a HDD). But anyway, even if i boot without ureadahead, it takes an annoyingly (that’s subjective, of course) long time for the splash to appear.
[18:34] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[18:34] <slangasek> ion: pre-splash performance is a question I'm going to have to defer to Keybnz; I know plymouth is not intended to be included in the default initramfs, and I saw the impact it had on the benchmark when we had to start including it
[18:48] <ion> slangasek: With no ureadahead, the splash only seems to be active for three seconds. http://heh.fi/tmp/bootchart/no-ureadahead.png
[18:49] <ion> slangasek: This is the bootchart from a boot with plymouth flashing quickly and then X being broken. Plymouth starts awfully close to X – a race condition? http://heh.fi/tmp/bootchart/ureadahead-and-broken-x.png
[18:50] <dupondje> ion: with what tool tou make that bootchart ?
[18:50] <slangasek> meh need text search on boot charts
[18:50] <ion> dupondje: bootchart
[18:54] <slangasek> ion: mountall seems to finish in <2 sec on this system; why does it take udev so long to finish after that?
[18:56] <zul> pitti: python-pastedeploy should be ok now as well
[19:01] <ion> slangasek: In my bootchart, mountall seems to finish in one second and it seems to take less than two seconds from udev to gdm. What do you mean by “so long”? The most curious thing in my bootchart is ureadahead taking so long with low disk throughput. I’ll have to investigate that.
[19:06] <slangasek> ion: the no-ureadahead.png?  I see mountall starting at 4s, finishing at < 6s; then I don't see plymouth called for the first time until 13s, and plymouth-splash.conf should in the worst case start up as soon as plymouth has started and udevtrigger has finished
[19:08] <ion> slangasek: The no-ureadahead bootchart is just to demonstrate that ureadahead delays the splash. Of course, everything will be generally slower without ureadahead having warmed up the cache, that’s the point of ureadahead’s existence. :-)
[19:10] <slangasek> ion: fair enough
[19:14] <directhex> Viper550, because it's a revenue stream for canonical which in real terms is low-impact on users
[19:14] <Viper550> I know, but couldn't mozilla just share its Google earnings with them
[19:15] <directhex> presumably not
[19:19] <slangasek> ion: well, the only way to get the splash screen started sooner is to have the fb device up sooner, and that waits for udev, which isn't slow at all in your second chart - just blocked on ureadahead.  Not sure there's anything we can improve on here (aside from the race condition problem!) that won't negatively impact performance for others
[19:20] <ion> slangasek: Yeah, it’s a tricky thing.
[19:34] <kees> pitti: can we keep lxc out of main for now?  it's very young still and every time I use it I find security issues.
[19:34] <kees> pitti: especially for an LTS
[19:35] <slangasek> who was talking about soyuz sync oopses the other day?
[19:35] <slangasek> seems mono can't sync due to one :/
[20:58] <doko> ccheney: which version of the ubuntu-arm-thumb patch is in the OOo upload? The one with -O2 or the updated one with -fno-schedule-insns?
[21:02] <ccheney> doko: the ones with O2 that were on the bug report as you mentioned in the email
[21:02] <ccheney> when did you change it to -fno-schedule-insns?
[21:02] <doko> today this morning, please could you update it in ooo-build?
[21:02] <ccheney> ok
[21:03] <doko> thanks
[21:08] <ccheney> doko: done


[07:07] <dgadomski> thanks chiluk!
[15:29] <chiluk> yw dgadomski...
[16:24] <jbayfield> Hi, just wanted to ask a quick question in regards to #1681437. It involves the installation of an old artwork package on a new installation. The artwork package was designed for a GNOME installation, but the package was installed on an LXDE system. For this reason, update-gconf-defaults fails because, of course, GConf doesn't need to exist on a non-GNOME system. My question is how somebody would handle a bug like this - is it invalid because it
[16:24] <jbayfield> wasn't installed as intended, or should there be a technical reason as to why this shouldn't happen that could be fixed (assuming the package was still maintained)?


[04:58] <RAOF> Why does cross-thread error propagation need to be so hard?
[05:52] <duflu> RAOF: Why does it exist? :)
[05:52] <RAOF> Because we're not using a language with a sensible runtime :P
[05:52] <duflu> Oh look, C++ isn't bad enough. Let's add a couple hundred more pages to the spec and make it worse
[06:05] <RAOF> Obviously you wouldn't do that.
[06:06] <RAOF> There are already two or three terrible languages in C++; no need to add more :)
[06:06] <RAOF> You might do something like Rust, for example.
[06:15] <duflu> I noticed C++11(?) recently broke even basic C code: "string"STRING
[06:15] <duflu> doesn't work any more
[07:34] <anpok> duflu: missing a literal operator?
[07:34] <duflu> anpok: No I mean "hello""world" is now invalid in C++. You have to insert a space "hello" "world"
[07:35] <duflu> Which is annoying if one of your literals is a macro and your mature stable code worked perfectly until C++11
[07:40] <anpok> interesting
[07:40] <anpok> they had to change the pre processor to get that
[07:40] <anpok> http://xkcd.com/1172/
[07:47] <duflu> anpok: I don't think it required a preprocessor change. Only a language change... ?
[07:48] <anpok> they allow "foo""bar", but not define BLA "bar"  "foo"BLA
[07:48] <anpok> i guess  "foo"BLA is a token at cpp stage
[07:48] <anpok> and not two tokens
[07:49] <anpok> otherwise they would have to deal a lot with whitespace ugly trickery within the grammar


[12:34] <drkokandy> In case you haven't seen the email yet, Raring is released: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/
[12:34] <drkokandy> (so are all the flavors - links in the announcement email)
[12:42] <Unit193> Need to hold 4 packages from precise and 2 packages from quantal if you want to have functioning indicators in Xubuntu.
[14:59] <skellat> Unit193: Any idea if the Lubuntu folks have any mirrors other than cdimage.u.c?  I want to run zsync just to be sure the last image I got from iso.qa.u.c is the released one.
[14:59] <skellat> cdimage.u.c is politely refusing connections as is se.cdimage.u.c at the moment
[16:32] <dzho> ah, release time!
[18:57] <skellat> Just succeeded with the initial systems test for tonight's conference call
[18:57] <skellat> This may well work
[22:01] <Unit193> skellat: Could just torrent?  It'd do the same thing pretty much, no?
[22:30] <skellat> Unit193: Never mind, I got in and zsync'ed it.  Had to not play with bandwidth since the conference call is coming up later tonight & TWC doesn't play nice
[22:32] <Unit193> I zsync'd here too, then started seedding.


[01:27] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:27] <ogra> hi cyphase
[01:27] <cyphase> anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?
[01:27] <ogra> <-- gremany
[01:27] <cyphase> hey ogra
[01:27] <ogra> germany even
[01:27] <cyphase> lol
[03:32] !lilo:*! catbert is passing among you, changing ident fields from I= to i= and N= to n= for consistency
[03:32] !lilo:*! affected users, about 3,500
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:05] !lilo:*! Hi all. Apparently one of our servers has lost contact with the internet, we're looking at it. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[05:23] !lilo:*! Another main rotation server has lost contact; apologies for the inconvenience.
[06:16] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:40] <highvoltage> Is everyone angry at me? The channel is always quiet when I join :)
[08:49] <ogra> hey highvoltage
[08:53] <highvoltage> hi ogra :)
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hi all
[10:51] <jsgotangco> ogra: ping?
[10:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, hi
[10:54] <jsgotangco> hi, do we have a final listing already of what's going in and not, what's our best feature/software, etc.?
[10:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[10:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[10:55] <ogra> thats what we have in... the commented stuff isnt moved to main yet
[10:56] <ogra> 90% of the desktop seed is identical with ubuntu
[10:56] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: lol, marilize had the same problem... map it back to US - easier
[10:58] <JaneW> late meetings suck... hard to do everything straight away afterwars, and feel like crap the next day :/
[10:59] <jsgotangco> this doesn't even have a proper $ key
[11:08] <jsgotangco> hmm we have mediawiki ok
[11:14] <jsgotangco> hmm too bad for moodle and schooltool
[11:15] <ogra> what? that we have mediawiki ?
[11:15] <jsgotangco> its not commented out
[11:16] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[11:16] <jsgotangco> we only have mysql-server
[11:16] <jsgotangco> # means waiting main inclusion?
[11:16] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[11:16] <jsgotangco> what is edubuntu-server a meta package?
[11:19] <jsgotangco> hmm no mail server
[11:19] <jsgotangco> this getting hard
[11:25] <highvoltage> eddie is so idealistic.
[11:25] <highvoltage> ned flanders for president!
[11:26] <jsgotangco> ??
[11:26] <jsgotangco> simpsons?
[11:26] <ogra> jsgotangco, only local transport.... we dont want the teachers to set up a mailserer for a single classroom install....
[11:28] <jsgotangco> local transport meaning internal email?
[11:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: i am having a hard time re-writing our manual in a cookbook context because tuXlab is so full featured and I have very little idea of what we currently have except those that are seeded
[11:29] <jsgotangco> stuff like internet access, proxy, etc.
[11:30] <highvoltage> sorry! wrong window, I meant to type that in another channel. lol.
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, we'll have a ltsp environment out of the box, you'll only have to give the ip range for the dhcp server, everything else will be automatically....
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, the thin client desktop will look like a ubuntu with the additionaly edu apps
[11:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, you will reach the mediawiki setup page by accessing http://localhost/wiki/, moodle by http://localhost/moodle and schooltool in a similar way...
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i thought those things are not included?
[11:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, the first user you add will be the admin user, all further added users will be normal users by default, like in ubuntu...
[11:34] <ogra> not *yet*, they all have main inclusion reports that are pending review
[11:35] <jsgotangco> but is it safe to say they *will* be included?
[11:35] <ogra> they will have to....
[11:35] <Marky> hmm..
[11:36] <jsgotangco> ok im installing the daily now so if i get it right, all ordinary users in the server box are automatic ltsp users
[11:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, follow my instructions please... http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[11:37] <ogra> but you need a thin client for that
[11:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, its likely that the 20050819 iso is broken again, somehow the iso from yesterday got deleted
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ok sorry i didnt notice your email on that
[11:38] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:38] <ogra> i'm just trying to sort that....
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ok so we'll have no messaging server or something similar
[11:42] <ogra> nope
[11:42] <ogra> the users have evolution, they can point it to every server they like
[11:43] <jsgotangco> ok so no filtering as well like squidguard
[11:44] <jsgotangco> basically Ubuntu on LTSP
[11:45] <ogra> yep
[11:45] <ogra> all other stuff was postponed
[11:46] <jsgotangco> are we still pushing for a gartoon icon set?
[11:47] <ogra> yep
[11:47] <ogra> its already propsed for main, just not moved
[11:47] <ogra> additionally we might take sabayon for kiosk functionallity
[11:48] <jsgotangco> aren't we affected by feature freeze?
[11:48] <ogra> we are, why ?
[11:48] <jsgotangco> just a thought, so i guess its all about finishing those inclusion reports?
[11:49] <ogra> demoting software from universe to main isnt affected by feature freeze
[11:49] <jsgotangco> demote?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> promote
[11:49] <ogra> yes
[11:49] <ogra> sorry, wrong term
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:50] <jsgotangco> i just have too much time on my hands lately, that's all :)
[12:19] <jsgotangco> night, i'll just come back later dinner first
[02:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, only 5 yellow ones left :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[02:47] <JaneW> :))
[02:48] <ogra> only the violet ones are my nightmares:)
[02:52] <JaneW> 2?
[02:53] <JaneW> and the red one?
[02:55] <ogra> thats what moodle causes to be violet... i have to replace the code from wwwconfig-common there
[02:56] <JaneW> oic
[02:56] <JaneW> comic relief -> http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2843830
[02:57] <JaneW> ogra: do you know if highvoltage is testing LTSP?
[02:58] <JaneW> ogra: also is ThinClientIntegration testing any different in reality to edubuntu testing?
[02:59] <ogra> yes, a bit, since we get more out of edubuntu testing for edubuntu indeed
[02:59] <ogra> but technically its the ame
[02:59] <ogra> same
[02:59] <JaneW> ok
[02:59] <JaneW> so the LTSP part is identical?
[02:59] <ogra> yup
[03:00] <ogra> but i'd prefer tests of edubuntu if possible :)
[03:00] <JaneW> ok
[03:01] <ogra> still 19h to go for my iso upload :/
[03:01] <JaneW> well lets encourage ppl to test edubuntu (assuming we can again now?) and then feedback to mdz on LTSP?
[03:01] <ogra> even with rsync its not faster
[03:02] <ogra> as soon as i have uploaded the iso... (19h as i said... but its jumping to 4h from time to tim, so i dont know how serious i can take it)
[03:02] <ogra> 53%
[03:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[03:08] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[03:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am jyst following up ;)
[03:11] <highvolt1ge> sorry about that.
[03:11] <highvolt1ge> Hi Jane.
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: contentfiltering...?
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: mdz thinks it's deferred - do you agree?
[03:12] <ogra> yup, was his request
[03:13] <highvoltage> strange.
[03:14] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am just following up ;)
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: afaik, yes :)
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: I sent him some info, and I'll send him more feedback over the weekend.
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz needs feedback on testing, and more testers...
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok great, thanks
[03:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: I just emailed elmo about the passwords for the server, he hasn't sent me any details yet.
[03:23] <JaneW> mutter
[03:24] <JaneW> hack them?
[03:24] <JaneW> *joke*!
[03:24] <highvoltage> hehe.
[03:33] <JaneW> ogra: sorry but PowerManagementConfiguration you previously said 1-2 days...
[03:33] <JaneW> matt said  powermanagementconfiguration isn't in desktop yet, but it _might_ be ready to go but just sitting in universe
[03:33] <JaneW> is that correct?
[03:35] <ogra> nope, it needs adjustment... the design is very similar to network manager and it needs similar but easier changes
[03:37] <ogra> you can use it as s from universe currently to display the status of all battery driven devices, but you cant manage them
[03:37] <ogra> s/as s/ as is/
[03:39] <ogra> i wanted to have it ready over the weekend, but the edubuntu drawbacks were not planned and steal a lot of time now...
[03:40] <ogra> (currently i need to work on nvu, but my DSL only gives me about 4k while uploading the CD, i cant even download the source for it at a usable speed)
[03:40] <ogra> :(
[03:46] <JaneW> :(
[05:50] <highvoltage> will the edubuntu wiki be merging with the main ubuntu wiki?
[05:52] <ogra> i think so....
[06:13] <highvoltage> ogra: the banner on top will then say ubuntu, which is not a problem, i think. or should it say edubuntu?
[06:36] <ogra> highvoltage, rather edubuntu...
[06:38] <highvoltage> i wonder if you can have different banners for different pages. maybe a css hack. then again, how would the user choose that it's an edubuntu page or not?
[06:52] <mpt> highvoltage: By including "CategoryUbuntu" in the page somewhere (usually at the bottom)
[06:52] <mpt> er, "CategoryEdubuntu" :-)
[06:58] <highvoltage> ah, ok.
[07:07] <cyphase> does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?
[07:18] <cyphase> http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF
[07:20] <cyphase> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL
[08:51] <ioio24> hello
[08:52] <highvoltage> hello ioio24
[08:53] <ioio24> i install ubuntu in a partition of 1GB... i install the server mode because i dont have too much space...
[08:53] <ioio24> the Q is:
[08:53] <ioio24> How can I now install gnome?
[08:54] <ioio24> I must install first "x windows" and then gnome?
[08:54] <highvoltage> sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment should do it, i think
[08:55] <highvoltage> it will select the dependencies and stuff you need to run gnome.
[08:55] <ioio24> wau...! so simple?
[08:55] <ioio24> soo simple?
[08:55] <highvoltage> yep
[08:55] <highvoltage> ah, wait
[08:55] <highvoltage> you could just do
[08:56] <highvoltage> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <highvoltage> even simpler :)
[08:56] <ioio24> :))
[08:56] <ioio24> the apt tool use the cd or internet to do this?
[09:05] <ogra> ioio24, depends how you configure it, if you use apt-cdrom toadd the CD, it will use the CD (see man apt-cdrom)
[09:52] !lilo:*! if you're a tor user with a group cloak (i.e., any cloak but "unaffiliated"), and you've been experiencing problems with your group cloak being overwritten by your tor cloak, please message me


[09:37] <mup> Bug #1990649 opened: Kernel parameters form resets to previous value after save <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990649>
[17:18] <mup> Bug #1990685 opened: nginx redirects should not include port number <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990685>
[17:21] <mup> Bug #1990685 changed: nginx redirects should not include port number <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990685>
[17:24] <mup> Bug #1990685 opened: nginx redirects should not include port number <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990685>
[17:36] <mup> Bug #1990685 changed: nginx redirects should not include port number <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990685>
[17:39] <mup> Bug #1990685 opened: nginx redirects should not include port number <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990685>


[16:55] <mitya57> Can someone please reject pyflakes in xenial NEW? See debian #804319 & debian #804320
[17:09] <cjwatson> xnox: ^- pls fix pyflakes kthxbye :)
[17:09] <cjwatson> mitya57: done
[17:13] <mitya57> ta
[20:50] <psusi> does anyone know why gnome-keyring-daemon is no longer set to --components gpg in 15.10?  without it gpg-agent is used instead, but that is not set up correctly to prompt for the password in the gui
[22:21] <psusi> is UDD kind of dead?  I seem to keep seeing more and more packages that do not have an up to date bzr branch
[22:33] <psusi> hrm... strange... pinentry-gnome3 is listed as task: ubuntu-desktop, yet ubuntu-desktop does not depend on it, so it has not been installed after upgrading from vivid... why is this?
[22:52] <cjwatson> psusi: We haven't got round to getting UDD running for xenial yet.  But it's also essentially unmaintained and will probably be replaced by dgit as soon as we get that working with LP
[22:52] <cjwatson> (by coincidence, I'm working on one of the requirements for that at the moment)
[22:53] <cjwatson> ubuntu-desktop Recommends: gnome-keyring Depends: pinentry-gnome3
[23:58] <psusi> cjwatson, hrm... it depends on pinentry-gnome3 | pinentry.. for some reason when I upgraded I got pinentry instead of pinentry-gnome3
[23:59] <psusi> shouldn't ubuntu-desktop force pinentry-gnome3 instead?


[10:22] <bkerensa> ding
[10:25] <nlsthzn> dong
[16:07] <pleia2> welcome do your daily "we need summaries" call :)
[16:09] <pleia2> we'll make press, blogosphere and other news bullet point lists if we can't get summaries
[16:09] <pleia2> so if we can get folks to at least help work on the planet summaries that'd be great
[17:00] <Myrtti> just a reminder that please remember to include in the summaries "who said what"-aspect. Saying that microsoft is responsible for all the evil in the world without pointing out who thinks so can make UWN look weird.
[17:01] <Myrtti> (there was a discussion about it earlier in $elsewhere)
[19:02] <pleia2> oh, and remember if you write a summary, add your name to the doc so we can give you credit
[19:03] <pleia2> even if you're logged in with your google account, you show up as anonymous on the doc if you weren't explictly invited to it (so you may see my name or akgraner, but we can't see you)
[19:04] <Silverlion> pleia2: omg there is a video online now about the interview i mentioned this morning
[19:04] <Silverlion> :(
[19:04] <pleia2> why sad?
[19:05] <Silverlion> i look horrible :(
[19:05] <pleia2> aw
[19:08] <Silverlion> 50 seconds :D
[19:08] <Silverlion> i would link it but i dont know how good your german is ^^
[19:11] <pleia2> my cat probably speaks better german
[19:11] <pleia2> (that is to say, in spite of my heritage, none)
[19:30] <pleia2> ok, heading out to berkeley lug, maybe I can snag some people in real life to do some summaries ;)
[19:34] <Silverlion> pleia2: ;)
[21:09] <akgraner> For those who are watching me edit the googledoc feel free to snag a summary  - just put your initials beside the one you are working on so I don't duplicate your efforts
[21:09] <akgraner> Thanks
[21:18] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: are we good with Flavor team updates?
[21:18] <pleia2> akgraner: thank!
[21:18] <pleia2> +s
[21:19] <akgraner> you're welcome :-)
[21:19] <MrChrisDruif> I'll check real qick pleia2 , I don't think right now
[21:19] <MrChrisDruif> I think I saw a Edubuntu meeting this week?
[21:19]  * pleia2 hasn't kept up
[22:08] <akgraner> I'll finish the Planet section now - but can someone else look at one of the other sections and even if you can only write one summary that would be a great help - thanks!
[22:33] <pleia2> blogosphere may end up being bullet points, I'm finishing up press and other news
[22:38] <pleia2> my poor netbook is showing its age :(
[22:42] <akgraner> pleia2, no worries - I'll jump back in here in a few hours and I'll move all the completed stuff to the wiki  - I just need to run to the store (Pete's leaving for two weeks and there is some stuff we need to get finished)
[22:43] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:47] <pleia2> akgraner: I wrote most of the summaries, so if you could quickly eyeball the articles when you copy them over later I'd hugely appreciate it
[22:47] <pleia2> I'd round up some proper reviewers tomorrow before I publish
[22:48] <akgraner> pleia2,  sure reviewed the ones that were already written and I'll review them all as I move them over.  I was really hoping some other folks would write some this week as well...
[22:48] <akgraner> sorry you are having to write so much
[22:55] <pleia2> thank you :) it's ok for now
[23:43] <akgraner> pleia2, only the In The Blogosphere section needs summaries - I'll work on the stats and those when I get back :-) but everything so far has been moved over


[16:41] <viswa> I need help on MaaS and Juju proxy
[16:42] <viswa> Juju currently was not able to download the lxc image on deploying apps if we configure MaaS internal proxy (3128) in juju model-config both for juju-httt(s) and snap; if we configure organization proxy 8080 then lxc image was successful but then charm download fails;  how to fix this?
[16:43] <viswa> Is there way that we can debug this on logging into Juju charms?
[17:01] <viswa> Any one here to help me on proxy?