[10:54] <jasoncohen> qt2, right click on any panel you have and choose new panel
[10:54] <jasoncohen> qt2, then right click on the new panel and choose add to panel
[10:54] <LasseL> Marupa, maybe you can download the ubuntu cd to a harddrive and mount it from the livecd
[10:54] <signius> qgis is in the respositries i just done an apt-cache for it
[10:54] <LasseL> Marupa, with luck you can maybe even burn it from the livecd
[10:54] <signius> and so is qgis-dev
[10:54] <jasoncohen> shekhar, what packages? all packages in the repositories should have their dependencies satisifed. what package are you having problems with?
[10:54] <nubbe> tritium, I understand what u mean, but I think ur using too strong language. I fail to see that "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" is "the wrong way" to do things.
[10:55] <blueyed> Does anyone have experience with Ubuntu on a Samsung Q30?
[10:55] <Marupa> I don't know what I'm doing, is the biggest problem...
[10:55] <qt2> jasoncohen, that just give me a blank panel, i'm looking for a quick way to resote the default ubuntu panel...
[10:55] <shekhar> signius: i can't install it, libgdal and libgeos are asking for versions not in repositories
[10:55] <shekhar> qgis depends libgdal1 (> = 1.2.6 ) but 1.2.5-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:55] <citrus_> Question:  i install vmware 5  how do i UN install it?
[10:56] <jasoncohen> qt2, i don't know if there is a way, but it's not hard to do yourself
[10:56] <citrus_> it wasn't thru apt-get or any debain program to install it
[10:56] <tritium> nubbe, as I said before, that is only _one_ of _several_ examples.
[10:56] <signius> what srouces do you have specified in apt sources ?
[10:56] <LasseL> qt2, i assumes you tried apt-get install gnome-panel ?
[10:56] <nubbe> tritium, yes, I'm sure, but was that a valid example?
[10:56] <shekhar> also depends libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.4) but 3:<IP_ADDRESS>-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[10:56] <jasoncohen> qt2, first add a menu bar, and then application launchers and then you can add a clock, volume control, network & power monitors on the right side
[10:57] <tritium> nubbe, the java example is a valid example of ubuntuguide's deficiencies, if that's what you're asking
[10:57] <jasoncohen> shekhar, are you using marillat?
[10:57] <shekhar> jasoncohen: no, synaptic
[10:57] <shekhar> what's marillat?
[10:57] <Crafty-Catcher> Hi does anyone here has a lot of patience ;) to help me with setting up my raid lvl 1 on two 10 GB HDDs hda1 == system; hdb1 should be the mirror - it still doesn't want to work after i read all google search results
[10:57] <thespiritoftal> I want to reach my windows files from ubuntu when I do "mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows the computer gets stuck... any advices?
[10:57] <shekhar> signius: i have the regular hoary repositories and the debian unstable turned on
[10:57] <jasoncohen> shekhar, marillat is a apt source that's for debian. it causes a lot of problems
[10:57] <jasoncohen> shekhar, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin
[10:58] <bur[n] er> thespiritoftal: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows
[10:58] <Marupa> Can anyonen help me?  I wouldn't know how to begin....>.<
[10:58] <nubbe> tritium, given that I want to brave backports?
[10:58] <spudse> Hi, will ubuntu run fine on a P3 650mhz with 256mb ?
[10:58] <bur[n] er> thespiritoftal: or -t vfat for FAT32 fs
[10:58] <tritium> nubbe, if you want to continue this, we should move it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:58] <Crafty-Catcher> spudse is running fine on my celeron 400Mhz with 196 MB
[10:58] <tritium> (even though I'm tired of discussing it)
[10:59] <signius> acording to synaptic qgis is version 0.6.0-1 on my system
[10:59] <Marupa> can someone guide me step by step?
[10:59] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows
[10:59] <spudse> Crafty thats good thanks, any other insights on this ?
[10:59] <mats> Can anyone tell me why i cant play dvd with totem-xine? I simply wont!
[10:59] <mats> is there anything i need to play dvds?
[11:00] <bur[n] er> mats: libdvdcss
[11:00] <din> mats, libdvdread
[11:00] <jasoncohen> mats, did you install libdvdcss2 from hoary-extras? you need it for decryption
[11:00] <Dr_Melectaus> For some reason, my laptop isnt detecting dvd data discs ( it detects DVD movies, but doesnt play them), it isnt mounting any form of dvd apart from dvd movies
[11:00] <bur[n] er> mats: ubuntuguide.org
[11:00] <jasoncohen> !multimedia
[11:00] <ubotu> hmm... multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:00] <jasoncohen> mats, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:00] <nubbe> tritium, yeah, no need tho, thanks again for ur time
[11:00] <nnacht> anyone knows why can I not use the serverlist in aMule?
[11:00] <Dr_Melectaus> is this a common problem?
[11:00] <flam> my pc card (netgear wg511t) hangs my system. ("ath0: hardware error; reseting" is repeating over and over again). i suspect it has to do with an irq conflict. been "googleing" for two days now. any ideas?
[11:00] <tritium> nubbe, take care
[11:00] <Belutz> i want to have a quick pool, who use gnome and who use KDE ?
[11:00] <mats> thanks :) ill try that ;)
[11:00] <typo> Belutz: gnome
[11:00] <linukso> gnome
[11:00] <nubbe> gnome
[11:01] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, sudo echo "/dev/hda3   /mnt/windows  ntfs  defaults   0  0" >> /etc/fstab
[11:01] <din> xfce & fvwm... aack, gnome
[11:01] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, type that in a terminal and then your ntfs partition will mount on boot
[11:01] <jasoncohen> thespiritoftal, do sudo mount -a to mount it now
[11:01] <Dr_Melectaus> please? someone?
[11:01] <mdipi> hey all, i edited my boot file so that OS X was the defualt, now i dont even get the yaboot selection screen
[11:01] <Belutz> 4 gnome 0 KDE
[11:01] <mdipi> anyone think they can help?
[11:01] <nubbe> kde is prolly in #kubuntu mostly, but what do I know?  :)
[11:01] <Marupa> Can anyone teach me step by step how to install ubuntu?  o.o;
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> marupa, installing is a doddle
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> slap in the disc, choose the relavent options such as language and timezone
[11:02] <mats> i dont have libdvdcss2 in my apt-tree :O is that normal? :p
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        missing codepage or other error
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:02] <Belutz> then, i made up my mind to unisntall the kubuntu-desktop hhehehehe
[11:02] <thespiritoftal>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:02] <Dr_Melectaus> it does it all for you
[11:02] <bur[n] er> mats: read that page :P
[11:02] <thespiritoftal> oops I wrongly pasted it here
[11:02] <thespiritoftal> sry
[11:02] <bur[n] er> mats: that wiki one
[11:02] <mats> bur[n] er: okey :)
[11:02] <Marupa> Dr_Melectaus, I don't have a cd burner, only a USB Keydrive.
[11:02] <mats> bur[n] er: ok, ill try that
[11:03] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmm.
[11:03] <jasoncohen> mats, read  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[11:03] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, Marupa how big is the usb stick?
[11:03] <Marupa> 256MB
[11:03] <jasoncohen> mats- read below >>
[11:03] <jasoncohen> !multimedia repositories
[11:03] <ubotu> I heard multimedia repositories is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[11:03] <cobrayx> hi
[11:03] <thechitowncubs> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[11:03] <Dr_Melectaus> i doubt that would be enough to even do a basic install Marupa
[11:03] <Belutz> how do i really have a clean uninstall of kubuntu desktop? apt=get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:03] <Belutz> *apt-get
[11:03] <Marupa> exactly, that's my problem.  >.<
[11:03] <mats> jasoncohen: im on it :)
[11:04] <thechitowncubs> MultimediaApplications is a newer version mats
[11:04] <mats> thanks :)
[11:04] <Dr_Melectaus> best thing to do is to Marupa is to find a freind or relative and ask if they can burn it
[11:04] <Marupa> I /do/ have a cd burner, but it's on my computer that has a non working OS on it.
[11:04] <Dr_Melectaus> or Marupa if you stay in the uk, i have 10 copys on disc, id be more than happy to send you one
[11:05] <Marupa> I'm in US, sorry.
[11:05] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmk
[11:05] <Marupa> Now you see my predicament?
[11:05] <nubbe> Belutz, I had to remove a few kde-packages because that was just a dummy ppackage
[11:05] <Mobus> how can I assume root while I'm in the file browser?
[11:05] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, have you got any other OS's lying around at present?
[11:05] <Belutz> nubbe: ic... ok
[11:05] <Marupa> winXP and win98, but I do /NOT/ want to screw with those.  >.<
[11:05] <Dr_Melectaus> perhaps you could just slap something on just for the sake of burning it off
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> or put the cd drive on your working machine??
[11:06] <xet7> How do I start proftpd?
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[11:06] <Marupa> my working machine is a laptop.  >.>
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> id slap XP on just for the purpose of burning it to disc
[11:06] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmmm
[11:06] <Marupa> ugh.  then I'd have to repartition stuff again.
[11:07] <xet7> I got it installed, but it didn't work with /etc/init.d/proftpd start
[11:07] <Mobus> is there I can delete all the files in a folder at once?
[11:07] <Mobus> erm
[11:07] <Mobus> ..
[11:07] <Dr_Melectaus> marupa, i sympathise with your situation, i have a pc and a laptop and as ubuntu doesnt like my crappy usb modem, i have to constantly have a cat5 hanging out of my laptop
[11:07] <MartenH> How often is Seveas usually around, anyone?
[11:07] <Marupa> ..I do have mandrake cds, but, last time I tried that, it wouldn't even boot on them.
[11:07] <nubbe> Belutz, check if kdebase-data and kdebase-bin are gone
[11:07] <Mobus> I need to delete a folder, but it has like 135 files in it
[11:07] <Mobus> and when I try rmdir it say's folder is not empty
[11:07] <Dr_Melectaus> Marupa, why not just order some discs, they ship for free
[11:07] <Mobus> and I can;'t delete all 135 one by one
[11:07] <Dr_Melectaus> but i think they only get shipped out every month or so
[11:08] <Marupa> exactly
[11:08] <Marupa> I need this thing up today, if I can.
[11:08] <Dr_Melectaus> Lol, why so badly? if i may ask
[11:08] <Marupa> it's my server.
[11:08] <sorush20> guys how do I get back foomatic
[11:09] <nalioth> Mobus: are you familiar with the terminal?
[11:09] <Dr_Melectaus> hmm. well, do you have another machine thats running?
[11:09] <Marupa> I...do have a knoppix CD, as well..
[11:09] <Mobus> nalioth: yes
[11:09] <Marupa> besides this/>  no.
[11:09] <Mobus> that's where I've been trying to delete it from
[11:09] <Marupa> */>=?
[11:09] <Dr_Melectaus> try and get some cat5, its cheap.... oh you dont
[11:09] <nalioth> Mobus: then "man rm" may enlighten you on your folder removal
[11:09] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[11:09] <amd3> hello, where is ndiswrapper installed in a default install of ubuntu 5.04
[11:09] <Mobus> thnaks
[11:09] <IcemanV9> Marupa: if you can, use knoppix CD to burn some stuff to CD
[11:09] <Mobus> now
[11:09] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:09] <Mobus> how do I do that if the folder is in the trash?
[11:09] <IcemanV9> or USB key
[11:10] <Marupa> and I'm on DSL right now, using a network, so...yeah.  >>;  and how do I burn stuff to CD, if it won't let me eject the CD?
[11:10] <nubbe> Mobus, rm -f *      should fix current dir
[11:10] <nalioth> Mobus: you cd .Trash
[11:10] <Mobus> ok
[11:10] <Mobus> thx
[11:10] <paulproteus> amd3: By default, it's not installed at all.
[11:10] <paulproteus> Did you install it yourself?
[11:10] <Marupa> and, how would I use the USB key to install?
[11:10] <Mobus> bash: cd: .trash: No such file or directory
[11:10] <nubbe> Mobus, just don't do in the wrong location  hehe
[11:10] <IcemanV9> Marupa: SLAX will do the trick then, but again, you don't have Slax, right?
[11:10] <Marupa> exactly
[11:10] <Mobus> I was in /home/mobus
[11:10] <Marupa> I'm screwed.  >.<
[11:10] <Dr_Melectaus> marupa: eject /dev/cdrom
[11:10] <amd3> paulproteus, it is installed because without me installing it, I did "modprobe ndiswrapper" and it comes up in lsmod
[11:11] <Marupa> in knoppix?
[11:11] <Dr_Melectaus> oh shit your not useing ubuntu
[11:11] <IcemanV9> Marupa: you're in tough situation :/
[11:11] <Dr_Melectaus> Well, try it
[11:11] <Crafty-Catcher> Can anyone help me setting up a Raid1 on two HDDs hda1 = system; hdb1 should be mirror
[11:11] <amd3> paulproteus, to answer the question, I didn't install it
[11:11] <Marupa> eject, command not found.
[11:11] <IcemanV9> Marupa: don't recall if knoppix do eject CD, then burn blank CD
[11:11] <nubbe> Mobus, U have to be in the right dir before u do that
[11:11] <nalioth> Mobus: linux is case sensitive, try 'cd .Trash
[11:11] <Mobus> and the right dir is where?
[11:12] <Mobus> ok
[11:12] <Dr_Melectaus> Marupa, i think if you where to take the disc out, it would still run. But you would be limited, you wouldnt be able to do anything
[11:12] <confrey> why my totem player is not working fine? I can't see dvd menus and it go slowly while playing a wmv
[11:12] <Marupa> is there a way to net install from my gentoo livecd?
[11:12] <Mobus> thank you so much
[11:12] <darinlh> Marupa, boot knoppix with toram option (needs 1 gig ram) or use dsl (damn small linux)
[11:12] <HollowFrank> there's one thing i've learnt over the last few days, ubuntu doesn't want me using my dial up modem so i have to stick to using my macs for now, at least i'm windows free. any ideas why it'd all be installed but can't enable the ppp0 connection?
[11:12] <IcemanV9> no idea about gentoo livecd; dunno what they have on it
[11:12] <nubbe> Mobus, empty folder in Nautilus?
[11:13] <Marupa> ....I don't have a usable CD rom!  >.<
[11:13] <mdipi> Is there anyway i can see my partition table in Terminal? I need a drive number to mount it in OS X
[11:13] <Marupa> I can use it to read cds, but not write currently.
[11:13] <nJess> how do i install .deb packages
[11:13] <nJess> ?
[11:13] <Marupa> what would I need, IcemanV9?
[11:13] <IceDC571> nJess: sudo dpkg -i
[11:13] <Drifter2> guys
[11:13] <IceDC571> nJess: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[11:13] <Drifter2> whats a good burner for ISO files? nero doesnt work too well
[11:14] <Drifter2> (im on windows XP)
[11:14] <IceDC571> Drifter: burnatonce
[11:14] <darinlh> Marupa, use dsl on a 256 meg usb
[11:14] <Mobus> nubbe: what's nautilus? is that the filesystem GUI?
[11:14] <LinuxMoron> how do i set epiphany as my default browser?
[11:14] <CarlFK> growisofs
[11:14] <nalioth> HollowFrank: your macs will share the network connections they have with your windows boxen
[11:14] <IcemanV9> Marupa: did you try darinlh's suggestion? boot knoppix with toram option
[11:14] <Marupa> ...how?
[11:14] <nJess> crap
[11:14] <Marupa> I have 256MB ram, anyway.
[11:14] <CarlFK> what are some wifi detection apps?
[11:14] <nubbe> Mobus, sorry "Empty Trash" under the File Menu in Nautilus  (the filebrowser)
[11:14] <Drifter2> ice, i will google it. thanks
[11:14] <nalioth> Mobus: nautilus is the file mangler, yes
[11:14] <Drifter2> i assume its free?
[11:14] <nJess> i can't use ndiswrapper deb packages on a64
[11:14] <nJess> :(
[11:14] <IcemanV9> ah. shoot.
[11:14] <darinlh> Marupa, use dsl 50 megs or so
[11:14] <CarlFK> something like netstumbler for win
[11:14] <Mobus> I did that, but you forget that ig goes PMS on me because I'm not root
[11:15] <darinlh> Marupa, same toram options
[11:15] <Marupa> where, darinlh?
[11:15] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Which version of Nero do you use?
[11:15] <IceDC571> Drifter2: yep, its nice lightweight and free
[11:15] <LinuxMoron> how do i set epiphany as my default browser?
[11:15] <nubbe> aha
[11:15] <HollowFrank> nalioth: it would be nice however to be able to plug the line into the back of my ubuntu pc and just be able to use that, blasted things computers
[11:15] <Drifter2> Comp_Lex
[11:15] <amd3> where ndiswrapper installed in ubuntu 5.04?
[11:15] <Belutz> is it ok if ubuntu-desktop is not installed?
[11:15] <Drifter2> ahead nero: nero express
[11:15] <nalioth> HollowFrank: your ubuntu pc doesnt have network?
[11:15] <Mobus> so how do I get it to empty trash?
[11:15] <funkyHat> LinuxMoron, system > preferences > preferred applications
[11:15] <IceDC571> LinuxMoron: System > Preferences > Preferred Applications
[11:15] <IceDC571> funkyHat: ack you beat me to it!
[11:15] <funkyHat> heh
[11:15] <jatos3> gi
[11:16] <jatos3> *hi
[11:16] <nalioth> Mobus: did right cliking on the trashcan not allow it?
[11:16] <darinlh> Marupa, google dsl linux, I can't use web at the moment killed firefox with a update :(
[11:16] <Mobus> yeppey
[11:16] <Mobus> not allowed
[11:16] <Marupa> ok, downloading...
[11:16] <Mobus> well
[11:16] <Mobus> it allows it
[11:16] <Mobus> but nothing gets done
[11:16] <Mobus> I click empty trash
[11:16] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Have you tried to burn the ISO with Nero? If yes, what did you do?
[11:16] <Mobus> and it "empties" it
[11:16] <Mobus> but the files are there
[11:17] <Mobus> still
[11:17] <Drifter2> i used "burn image"
[11:17] <Marupa> dsl-1.0-syslinux.iso, darinlh?
[11:17] <HollowFrank> nalioth: i'm on a dial up, been trying to flog the 56k modem in the pc to work for weeks without any joy, the pc has network capability, i'd just rather have one computer running rather than two
[11:17] <nubbe> Mobus, cd .Trash
[11:17] <Drifter2> i did the check sum thing and the iso file is correct
[11:17] <nalioth> Mobus: how many partitions are mounted now?
[11:17] <Drifter2> it burns corrupt tho
[11:17] <Drifter2> according to tritium
[11:17] <Mobus> I'd say 2
[11:17] <nalioth> HollowFrank: i see, you may have to use your coolest running mac to help out
[11:17] <Mobus> hda1 and hdb1
[11:17] <tritium> Drifter2, you told me the installer verified that the burn was bad...
[11:18] <Marupa> I have /no/ idea what I'm doing...
[11:18] <nalioth> Mobus: then cd to the mounted directory of the other partition and look for a .Trash
[11:18] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Thats strange... Are you using a damaged CD? Is it scratched? (oslt)
[11:18] <sorush20> yes... finally.. managed to print... don't know how.. but it worked.....
[11:18] <Crafty-Catcher> hm maybe I should rephrase my question: Does anyone have a running software Raid1 on ubuntu? (Maybe it doesn't work at all ;) )
[11:18] <Mobus> the other directory is my windows HD
[11:18] <HollowFrank> nalioth: thankfully i just got my powerbook back today, i think that trying the sharing route is tomorrows job
[11:18] <darinlh> Marupa, yes
[11:18] <Drifter2> Comp_Lex
[11:18] <amd3> hello, can you help me find ndiswrapper, I did "find / ndiswrapper" but with no results
[11:18] <jatos3> just out of interest what clients are people using to get onto IRC
[11:19] <jatos3> I am using irssi
[11:19] <Mobus> there wouldn't be a wlinux trash there nalioth
[11:19] <nalioth> HollowFrank: macs are lifesavers
[11:19] <Drifter2> i used a cd that i bougt 10 mins before the burn
[11:19] <nubbe> Mobus, Just try this first; cd .Trash
[11:19] <Mobus> I'm there
[11:19] <Drifter2> its making me angry, i dont know how to install this without something corrupting
[11:19] <nalioth> Mobus: i have my macintosh partition mounted in my ubuntu, and i have a .Trash in both partitions (from ubuntu)
[11:19] <Mobus> that's because macintosh is unix based
[11:20] <HollowFrank> nalioth: indeed they are, very tempted to build a darwin box for the joy of it
[11:20] <nubbe> Mobus, sudo rm -f *
[11:20] <mjr> Crafty-Catcher, I do
[11:20] <nalioth> HollowFrank: i'm not so enthused about their software, but there hardware is pleasing
[11:20] <mjr> Crafty-Catcher, even one box installed with it
[11:20] <Marupa> copy the iso itself onto the keydrive, or the contents of the iso?
[11:20] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: There could be something wrong with Nero.
[11:21] <Mobus> nubbe: rm: cannot remove `glib-1.2.10': Is a directory
[11:21] <Comp_Lex> Drifter: Maybe it is better to use other software to burn the ISO.
[11:21] <IceDC571> Drifter2: have you tried burnatonce yet?
[11:21] <Drifter2> im trying burnatonce
[11:21] <morgul_> hello
[11:21] <HollowFrank> nalioth: OS X is probably one of the friendliest and easiest to use OS's i've worked with, anyway, time to charge up the laptop and dig out the networking cables ready for tomorrow
[11:21] <Crafty-Catcher> did you test it mjr? did you disable 1 HDD and the system still worked?
[11:22] <nubbe> Mobus, u can use rm -rf *    but make real sure u are in .Trash
[11:22] <HollowFrank> 'ning all
[11:22] <Mobus> I am in .Trash
[11:22] <amd3> where is ndiswrapper installed in ubuntu 5.04
[11:22] <nalioth> HollowFrank: good luck
[11:22] <nalioth> Mobus: so you've found it, now you can manipulate it
[11:22] <nubbe> try it then
[11:22] <nubbe> sudo first of course
[11:23] <darinlh> anyone know any work arounds for firefox being fubar?
[11:23] <Mobus> I've BEEN in .Trash
[11:23] <IceDC571> darinlh: have you tried purging the package and reinstalling it?
[11:23] <Marupa> I don't know what I'm doing.  do I need the boot-0.8.0.img file?
[11:23] <IcemanV9> Marupa: i have no idea bout usb key stuff; i don't have one to play with. :/
[11:23] <Mobus> but not your fantasy .Trash that would somehow be in a read only NTFS partition
[11:23] <tritium> darinlh, try not using any extensions
[11:23] <Mobus> and nubbe, thanks, it worked
[11:23] <sorush20> amd3, its on the CD..
[11:23] <darinlh> IceDC571, yes, but package will not reinstall
[11:23] <IcemanV9> darinlh: can you help Marupa with USB and DSL?
[11:24] <IceDC571> darinlh: what did you use to erase the package?
[11:24] <darinlh> IceDC571, sure
[11:24] <nubbe> Mobus, great
[11:24] <darinlh> IceDC571, apt-get remove purge
[11:24] <amd3> sorush20, i know. I have it installed and running on modprobe ndiswrapper. But I want to install a new driver. And I can't find ndiswrapper to do that
[11:24] <darinlh> IceDC571, after grabbing my bookmarks :)
[11:24] <nalioth> darinlh: use the one from ubuntu repos (it works fine)
[11:25] <IceDC571> darinlh: have you tried aptitude install firefox?
[11:25] <sorush20> amd3, do you want to install a new driver with ndiswrapper or do you want to install the new version on ndiswrapper...
[11:25] <morgul_> can anyone help to get audigy working back since I changed its slot?
[11:25] <useruser> when I boot, the /dev/cdrom link isn't created. why's that?
[11:25] <amd3> a new driver
[11:25] <useruser> i'm running <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[11:26] <sorush20> amd3, just type... ndiswrapper -i <name.inf>
[11:26] <sorush20> amd3, does that help
[11:26] <darinlh> nalioth, IceDC571 current pakage is broke, you happen to know apt commands to go back to old package? and pin it?
[11:26] <thespiritoftal> friends are there any python programmes that work in ubuntu to which I can write some scripts and execute them to test ?
[11:26] <amd3> you see, that doesn't do anything because "ndiswrapper: command not found" comes up
[11:26] <La_PaRCa> useruser, there is no such /dev/cdrom in ubuntu
[11:27] <sorush20> amd3, okay well go to synaptic.... and remove the ndiswrapper-utils
[11:27] <amd3> it's already not installed
[11:27] <useruser> La_PaRCa: really? what's the right thing to point cd-using applications to, then?
[11:27] <darinlh> Marupa, ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-1.3.1.iso
[11:27] <Marupa> I already downloaded...
[11:27] <darinlh> Marble2, ok
[11:27] <sorush20> amd3, then go to http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz?download, and download the package..
[11:28] <nubbe> useruser, I got stuff in /media
[11:28] <Comp_Lex> La_PaRCa: it does exist... useruser: You have to look in /media
[11:28] <amd3> sorush20, I already have ndiswrapper installed. I just don't know where!
[11:28] <useruser> nubbe: not with audio cds, I'll wager
[11:28] <IceDC571> darinlh: try aptitude -f
[11:28] <darinlh> Marupa, now what do you have to work with ie usb key, cd etc?
[11:28] <sorush20> amd3, you don't need to find it.. type ndiswrapper
[11:28] <nubbe> useruser, don't know if I don't try :)
[11:28] <nalioth> darinlh: remove and purge mozilla-firefox, then comment out your backports lines in your sources.list
[11:28] <amd3> sorush20, the module "ndiswrapper" is loaded and I can see it in lsmod
[11:28] <sorush20> amd3, what happens..
[11:28] <Marupa> usb keydrive.
[11:28] <Marupa> 256MB one.'
[11:29] <amd3> -su: ndiswrapper: command not found
[11:29] <useruser> nubbe: /media is used for mounted things - audio cds aren't mounted
[11:29] <nalioth> darinlh: then update your apt, and then install mozilla firefox (it will be ubuntu1.0.2)
[11:29] <La_PaRCa> Comp_Lex, /media/cdrom is _not_ /dev/cdrom
[11:29] <sorush20> amd3, well what is the problem..
[11:29] <useruser> so really no-one has /dev/cdrom? that's really strange to me
[11:29] <sorush20> amd3, you don't -su,
[11:29] <amd3> i cannot find where ndiswrapper is installed.
[11:29] <sorush20> amd3, you should do sudo,
[11:29] <La_PaRCa> useruser, did you look under /media/cdrom?
[11:29] <useruser> La_PaRCa: yes, /media is empty
[11:29] <Dr_Fate> so how do I tell the system to dpkg -P everything firefox?
[11:29] <amd3> i'm logged in as root and trying to execute "ndiswrapper"
[11:30] <Dr_Fate> without touching dependecies?
[11:30] <useruser> La_PaRCa: and besides, it is an audio cdrom i want to use. grip complains about not being able to initialise /dev/cdrom when it starts up
[11:30] <sorush20> amd3, type ndiswrapper
[11:30] <amd3> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[11:30] <La_PaRCa> useruser, oh... ok... audio cds are not mounted
[11:30] <useruser> La_PaRCa: of course I could change the cdrom device for every audio app that I use, but that's highly inelegant...
[11:30] <sorush20> amd3, what do you get?
[11:30] <sorush20> well if its not found its not installed...
[11:30] <La_PaRCa> useruser, try /dev/hdc
[11:30] <useruser> La_PaRCa: so ls /dev/cdrom gives you an error?
[11:31] <La_PaRCa> useruser, yeah, theres no /dev/cdrom
[11:31] <useruser> La_PaRCa: i know what device to use (/dev/hdd as it happens). but it's a bit crap that the symlink isn't created for me
[11:31] <amd3> Module                  Size  Used by
[11:31] <amd3> ndiswrapper           109044  0
[11:31] <La_PaRCa> useruser, haha, then create it :P
[11:31] <amd3> see, that's what I get when I type lsmod
[11:31] <useruser> La_PaRCa: and i think it used to be created - some upgrade has broken this
[11:31] <darinlh> nalioth, ok will try thanx
[11:31] <LasseL> useruser, what happens if you just create the link yourself?
[11:31] <useruser> La_PaRCa: as in, grip never used to complain until a few days ago
[11:31] <darinlh> Marupa, one sec
[11:31] <nubbe> useruser, I got /dev/hdd
[11:31] <useruser> LasseL: it works. but it's something that should be done automatically
[11:32] <Marupa> k
[11:32] <sorush20> amd3, I don't know about that but if your trying to run a network card then I can help you.... do the command modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:32] <LasseL> useruser, still, it is a one-off?
[11:32] <useruser> LasseL: it gets deleted every time i reboot
[11:32] <nubbe> useruser, mine mounts automagically
[11:32] <useruser> LasseL: debian gets this right :)
[11:32] <useruser> nubbe: audio cds?
[11:32] <darinlh> Marupa, http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=17 for usb instructions
[11:32] <citrus_> ok   why the hell does vmware 4.5 AND 5.0  freeze my system  or make it completly SLOOOOW and then crash
[11:32] <Mobus> is there any way to make give full root priviledges as if he were root himself, or something close to it?
[11:32] <nubbe> useruser, yepp, just popped it in and up it comes
[11:32] <Mobus> erm...
[11:33] <useruser> nubbe: ok, well i'm not running gnome or anything like that... just grip over ssh from another machine
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> For some reason, my laptop isnt detecting dvd data discs ( it detects DVD movies, but doesnt play them), it isnt mounting any form of dvd apart from dvd movies
[11:33] <Mobus> is there a way I can give a user account full root permissions, or something close to it
[11:33] <useruser> Mobus: yes, you can use sudo
[11:33] <Mobus> no
[11:33] <amd3> sorush20, I did the command modprobe ndiswrapper and nothing happened
[11:33] <abydos> Is there any way to install a java runtime on ubuntu?
[11:33] <Mobus> that only works IN the terminal
[11:33] <Dr_Melectaus> dvd's for example it wont detect are the likes of ut2k4 or blacn dvd discs
[11:33] <useruser> Mobus: run visudo as root and copy the settings for the default ubuntu user
[11:33] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell abydos about java
[11:33] <abydos> like, blackdown, or something similar?
[11:34] <morgul_> how can I set back up my sound card?
[11:34] <sorush20> amd3, now got to Sytem>Admin>Networking
[11:34] <abydos> ty La_PaRCa
[11:34] <Comp_Lex> yes abydos
[11:34] <abydos> eek, I mean thank you.
[11:34] <sorush20> amd3, is there a wlan0 present
[11:34] <amd3> no
[11:34] <Comp_Lex> you can either download Java JRE @ java.sun.com or use backports
[11:34] <La_PaRCa> haha
[11:34] <sorush20> amd3, type iwconfig
[11:35] <sorush20> amd3, do you see wlan0
[11:35] <amd3> sorush20, yes it is now
[11:35] <amd3> but it is greyed out
[11:35] <ed1t> !tell abydos about java
[11:35] <amd3> sorush20, it's called eth1, btw
[11:35] <sorush20> amd3, okay activate it...
[11:35] <Marupa> not giving me any useful info, darinlh, that requires a bootable cd.
[11:36] <nubbe> damn, they are relentless, hehe
[11:36] <amd3> that button is also greyed out
[11:36] <Comp_Lex> abydos: try this http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:36] <darinlh> Marupa, one sec
[11:36] <amd3> only the properties button is clickable
[11:36] <useruser> who knows about udev here?
[11:36] <sorush20> amd3, is there a light comming on ..... on the card.... if yes .. ping yahoo.com
[11:36] <sorush20> amd3, then type ipconfig
[11:36] <amd3> sorush20, no, there's no light on the card, as it normally should do.
[11:37] <amd3> sorush20, i'm trying to install the driver first using ndiswrapper.
[11:37] <mak> good day. does anyone know a reason why all of my man files stopped working?
[11:37] <abydos> I just migrated to ubuntu from sid
[11:37] <sorush20> amd3, type ndiswrapper -l
[11:37] <sorush20> what do you see..
[11:37] <La_PaRCa> !ubuntuguide
[11:37] <ubotu> I heard ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:37] <useruser> here's a curious thing. I have /.dev/cdrom. but it points to /.dev/hdc, which is wrong for me
[11:38] <amd3> bash: ndiswrapper: command not found
[11:38] <citrus_>    why  does vmware 4.5 AND 5.0  freeze my system  or make it completly SLOOOOW and then crash
[11:38] <thechitowncubs> citrus_: how much did vmware cost?
[11:38] <nubbe> useruser, I got 0 and 1 too
[11:38] <useruser> nubbe: 0 and 1?
[11:38] <citrus_> i am trying the EVAL
[11:38] <citrus_> i don't know
[11:39] <useruser> nubbe: oh, cdrom0 and cdrom1
[11:39] <abydos> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[11:39] <xkuseme> is ubuntu easier to use than debian? or is the installation easier?
[11:39] <sorush20> amd3, I've told you before I'll tell you again... remove the ndiswrapper-utils, and reinstall it form synaptic.. that is the only reason.. what its not reading..
[11:39] <IIIEars>  IIIEars_
[11:39] <abydos> ubotu:  tell me about java
[11:39] <IIIEars> Excuse me
[11:39] <DekaPink> Hey all.
[11:39] <abydos> ubotu:  tell me about multiverse
[11:39] <sorush20> IIIEars: yes
[11:39] <nubbe> useruser, actually I lied, got /dev/cdrom and cdrom1 only
[11:39] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell abydos about repositories
[11:40] <useruser> nubbe: ok. well i'm really none the wiser about this :(
[11:40] <amd3> sorush20, you told me to remove ndiswrapper-utils. It was already removed, ie. it was not installed in the first place.
[11:40] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  I was getting to that :)
[11:40] <sorush20> well install its amd3
[11:40] <IIIEars> How do i see if my apm is enabled?
[11:40] <nubbe> useruser, got /media/cdrom and 0 and 1
[11:40] <La_PaRCa> abydos, I am super efficient!
[11:40] <useruser> nubbe: thing is i have no idea why you have those things and i don't. until i find that out, i can't fix anything
[11:40] <scott> anyone know how to get a window manager that you compile from source to show up in the session list in gdm?
[11:40] <citrus_> how do i upgrade to breezy
[11:40] <amd3> sorush20, lol, now you tell me.
[11:40] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  that, and you know what info ubotu posseses
[11:40] <useruser> nubbe: plus i don't know why my /dev/cdrom symlink is deleted and not recreated on reboot
[11:41] <IIIEars> nvm - google is a newbies best friend - lol
[11:41] <sorush20> amd3, sorry
[11:41] <abydos> wow, this is very helpful, even Debian wasn't this efficient
[11:41] <nubbe> useruser, sorry, my knowledge is pretty shallow about those things
[11:42] <amd3> sorush20, no probs. i can run "ndiswrapper" now. :D
[11:42] <sorush20> amd3, works or not..
[11:42] <IIIEars> abydos - #ubuntu is the best and ubotu the channel bot is very smart.
[11:42] <rukus> this is what happens when there's no root.
[11:42] <amd3> sorush20, what is the command to sudo
[11:42] <abydos> IIIEars:  I'd noticed
[11:43] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  I see no "multiverse" here
[11:43] <sorush20> amd3, sudo is debian language for super user do
[11:43] <La_PaRCa> abydos, you are in synaptic?
[11:43] <Marupa> how would I install ubuntu using knoppix boot cd?
[11:43] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  yes
[11:43] <amd3> "sudo ndiswrapper -i file.inf" is that right?
[11:44] <sorush20> amd3, yes
[11:44] <La_PaRCa> abydos, you can always add it by hand to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:44] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that, but oh well
[11:44] <citrus_> whats the name of the file manager in KDE?
[11:44] <IIIEars> abydos - in gnome? - system .> administration > synaptic > repositories > click on the plus sign and put a check mark in "multiversse
[11:45] <La_PaRCa> abydos, your synaptic repositories dialog doesnt look like the one in the wiki?
[11:45] <amd3> how can I blacklist a module from loading?
[11:45] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  yes, it does, but there's no "multiverse" repository
[11:45] <abydos> and "java-package" doesn't exist in any of my known repos
[11:46] <sorush20> has anyone else received this message...
[11:46] <LasseL> Marupa, did you try to download the ubuntu iso from your gentoo livecd, mount that, and "chroot" into it
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> um... just add multiverse to the universe line in sources.list
[11:46] <IIIEars> citrus - konquerer serves as the file manager and the browser
[11:46] <{Seb}> are people using breezy yet>
[11:46] <citrus_> can i use it in gnome?
[11:46] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  thanks
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> {Seb}, nope...
[11:46] <{Seb}> or most people sticking with Hoary for a while?
[11:46] <sorush20> amd3, don't know about blacklisting... are trying to prevent some cards loading and other to load....
[11:46] <sorush20> amd3, yes..
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> {Seb}, breezy is highly unstable at this point in time
[11:46] <{Seb}> you're telling me
[11:47] <La_PaRCa> {Seb}, as seen in the channel topic: DO NOT USE BREEZY YET
[11:47] <amd3> I'm trying to prevent "prism54" driver from loading when I insert my wlan card, because prism54 drivers are incompatible with it.
[11:47] <aimaz> does there exist a floppy disk image for installation on machine that have CD drives that are not bootable?
[11:47] <icewt> what's up with mplayer & AC3 sound in ubuntu? is there any other way to get it to work than to compile mplayer myself? i doesn't seem to be possible to use debian (marillat) packages either because of unmet depencies :/
[11:47] <sorush20> amd3, don't know...
[11:48] <abydos> thanks, La_PaRCa, you've been a huge help
[11:48] <La_PaRCa> abydos, got it?
[11:48] <vladuz976> does anybody here know much about ubuntu's distro upgrade problem?
[11:48] <DekaPink> I can't get it to work... Les sigh.
[11:48] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  yep
[11:48] <sorush20> guys do I use samba to share printing or not.... I have two ubuntu machines and ones connected to the printer how can I share... it..
[11:49] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, what dist upgrade problem?
[11:49] <DekaPink> Anyone care to help me find a way to make my ATI AIW Radeon 8500... work... better? xD
[11:49] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: i hear that you can't upgrade ubuntu easily, you need to reinstall. that's what ppl on debian say
[11:49] <citrus_> can i make gnome use konqueror as the default file manager???????
[11:50] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, um... well, I havent had that problem at all. Just dont use Breezy yet.
[11:50] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, warty to hoary was pretty smooth
[11:50] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: just using apt-get?
[11:50] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, yeah
[11:50] <sorush20> amd3, search of prism in synapic... assuming you have all the repositories, if not go to ununtuguide.org get the repositories set up and search for prism, you'll find some tools for the chipset..
[11:51] <DekaPink> Sigh. :3
[11:51] <matthieu_> Hi, I need help. Can someone please type >grep '13f6 0x00000110' /lib/modules/*/modules.pcimap     and give me the result ?
[11:51] <La_PaRCa> DekaPink, what have you tried?
[11:51] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: do you know the difference between ubuntu's and debian packages. do they have more or what?
[11:51] <amd3> sorush20, I'm trying to remove prism54 drivers
[11:51] <abydos> Which java package do I need, the .bin?
[11:51] <vladuz976> vladuz976: also heard that sarge uses 2.4 kernel
[11:51] <abydos> I could always use alien on the rpm, but that would fall under the heading of "hack"
[11:51] <Marupa> ok, I'm booted into knoppix, now, how do I download and install ubuntu?  I have no idea what I'm doing, this is the first time I've ever used linux at all, besides trying to install gentoo.
[11:51] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, they are in different repositories, and they are packaged a _little_ different
[11:51] <amd3> thanks very much for your time and help
[11:51] <amd3> bye
[11:52] <DekaPink> La_PaRCa, hmmm... I've tried installing the official driver, and I've tried the thing from the wiki, and the instructions in 'how to get 3d games to work' on the forum, and a couple other things from the forum I found when I was searchign around.
[11:52] <Julius___> Greets!
[11:52] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: different repositories meaning wider selection?
[11:52] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, um... no, I'd say the selection is about the same.
[11:52] <La_PaRCa> DekaPink, and what problems do you still have?
[11:53] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: coz everybody always brags about debians packages
[11:53] <MartenH> Why do I need to insert the ubuntu CD when doing apt-get for ndiswrapper but not for any other apt-get stuff?
[11:53] <Julius___> does somebod here use a wifi card with broadcom 4306 chipset?
[11:53] <DekaPink> La_PaRCa, No 3D acceleration, it would seem. :3
[11:53] <La_PaRCa> vladuz976, Ubuntu packages are really really good, and the repositories are very comprehensive. If debian people keep bragging about their packages, just ask them about their security updates ;-)
[11:53] <Burgundavia> MartenH, the cd has stuff that is shipped but not installed by default, mostly for networking, like ndiswrapper
[11:54] <nalioth> Marupa: have you read this?  >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[11:54] <jasoncohen> vladuz976, basically universe is all from debian- with minimal or no changes. main & restricted are debian packages that are worked on by ubuntu and supported. multiverse includes packages not in debian repositories. overall, ubuntu has everything debian has and a few more like mplayer
[11:54] <La_PaRCa> DekaPink, sorry, cant help you there.
[11:54] <vladuz976> La_PaRCa: sorry i am just trying to to see what distro is good for me
[11:54] <DekaPink> La_PaRCa, blast... Thanks, anyway, though. :)
[11:54] <MartenH> Burgundavia: Why doesn't it simply get it from the net as it does with the other packages?
[11:54] <Julius___> I already hate ndiswrapper!! It recognizes my card but connection won't work :(
[11:54] <nalioth> vladuz976: www.linuxfromscratch.org
[11:54] <darinlh> anyone know how to remove one package and not the depends?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> MartenH, dumb bug in dpkg
[11:54] <MartenH> Burgundavia: ok
[11:55] <abydos> ok so this is a problem\
[11:55] <abydos> I can't download java
[11:55] <abydos> at all
[11:55] <vladuz976> nalioth: too hardcore
[11:55] <Julius___> MartenH: that's useful anyway... atleast for me, when I have to install ndiswrapper from the cd because I have no internet connection in linux =(
[11:55] <nalioth> vladuz976: only if you make it so
[11:55] <vladuz976> jasoncohen: taht sounds pretty good
[11:56] <Marupa> nalioth, can you guide me through it, cause I'm going to screw it upt if I do it myself.
[11:56] <La_PaRCa> abydos, why is that?
[11:56] <vladuz976> nalioth: what did you have before ubuntu?
[11:56] <jasoncohen> vladuz976, go to packages.ubuntu.com and search yourself
[11:56] <Burgundavia> MartenH, just go into synaptic and remove the cd
[11:56] <nalioth> Marupa: gimme a minute to read over it
[11:56] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  When I click the link to download it, nothing happens
[11:56] <nalioth> vladuz976: 2 macintoshes
[11:56] <La_PaRCa> abydos, where are you getting it from?
[11:56] <Marupa> ok, cause I already have my drives partitioned, but they still have data on them from gentoo, and I don't know how to get rid of it...
[11:56] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  java.sun.com
[11:56] <vladuz976> nalioth: so this is your first linux then huh?
[11:56] <La_PaRCa> abydos, let me guess, you are using the latest firefox?
[11:56] <abydos> yes
[11:57] <matthieu_> abydos: I had the same problem when trying to download a fresh firefox
[11:57] <jasoncohen> vladuz976, backports and hoary-extras has more backages. backports has some packages from breezy which didn't get into hoary and extras has stuff that couldn't be included for legal reasons likelibdvdcss2, w32codecs
[11:57] <La_PaRCa> abydos, Both official and ubuntu latest firefox versions are broken
[11:57] <Julius___> there's something in this HOWTO https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto that doesnt work for me =( the "sed -e..." command, it says something about permission denial even though I'm using sudo
[11:57] <Drifter2> Com_plex, IceDC571.....
[11:57] <Drifter2> the burn at once program wont work either
[11:57] <abydos> oh, I see.
[11:57] <La_PaRCa> abydos, you have to right click and save link as...
[11:57] <Drifter2> the cd is still corrupt
[11:57] <Marupa> nalioth, can we PM stuff?
[11:57] <nalioth> vladuz976: hardly, i have been using linux since 1996
[11:57] <citrus_> can i make gnome use konqueror as the default file manager???????
[11:57] <Drifter2> i could not install the base because it said it cant install "Cron" something
[11:57] <vladuz976> nalioth: this is my first computer basically last one was when i was 11 or 12 windows 3.1
[11:57] <abydos> La_PaRCa:  Thanks, you've been seriously a huge help
[11:58] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa : when the website uses redirect, it does not work.
[11:58] <oni> I need help installing VBA from the source
[11:58] <La_PaRCa> matthieu_, it has worked for me before...
[11:58] <Tuxist> hi
[11:58] <Tuxist> I listen nowAsche Zu Asche from  Rammstein of Live Aus Berlin (US)
[11:58] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa: As said previously, I couldn't download Firefox not Thunderbird... Any trick to use ?
[11:59] <Drifter2> =\
[11:59] <Drifter2> well that sucks
[11:59] <Drifter2> maybe its my system =(
[11:59] <La_PaRCa> matthieu_, wget? ;-)
[11:59] <oni> can anybody help me to build a file from his source?
[11:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i installed kwin-baghira for my kde-desktop.,....but its not in the control centre...wot can i do?
[11:59] <matthieu_> La_PaRCa: if fact, some web sites create the URL when clicking on the button. I don't know the URL to wget... This is the reason for the problem...
[11:59] <IceDC571> i think ubuntu needs a new default theme and wallpaper


[02:12] <knome> so.. boo :)
[02:12] <knome> oops, wrong channel
[06:42] <DanChapman> good morning all
[11:30] <DanChapman> morning disc0tech
[14:13] <pitti> Good morning
[15:45] <senan> DanChapman, Hi Dan
[15:48] <senan> DanChapman, need a help..menu is not still working :(
[15:50] <balloons> howdy DanChapman
[15:51] <DanChapman> senan hey, is it still not finding the item?
[15:51] <DanChapman> balloons, howdy :-D
[15:51] <DanChapman> how are you?
[15:51] <senan> DanChapman, No dan..
[15:51] <balloons> :-) DanChapman think you'll have some time this week to look at disc0tech's MP?
[15:51] <balloons> DanChapman: I'm sprinting again this week, heh
[15:52] <senan> DanChapman, BaobabWindow is not part of the GtkWindow that contains the menu
[15:52] <DanChapman> balloons, sure can. I had a quick look yesterday and left a few comments on python3 complaining about tabs n spaces and some missing imports
[15:53] <DanChapman> balloons, nice. Keeping you busy atm then. Where in the world are you this week?
[15:53] <DanChapman> senan, yes thats right all menu's have there own GtkWindow instance.
[15:54] <balloons> DanChapman: Calie-forni-ai
[15:54]  * DanChapman is kinda jealous now.
[15:56] <DanChapman> balloons, I have an MP waiting if you get a chance at all this week. Its a test runner which i modified from the ubiquity one to run the desktop tests. Oh but i guess your on a smaller box atm, probably wait till your back from sprint
[15:57] <balloons> DanChapman: yea, that's really the issue with being away
[15:58] <balloons> DanChapman: ohh but you modified to run the desktop tests? awesome! I was planning on bringing them up this week with everyone. They need migrated over as well
[16:01] <DanChapman> balloons, yes the runner is pretty cool and since jibel did an awesome job getting it to work for all flavors they can all jump in if they wish :-D
[16:02] <senan> DanChapman, how to resolve this issue.. in autopilot its working but in autpilot3 its not working
[16:03] <DanChapman> balloons, it would be a good idea to get bugs created for the current tests as they all fail bar gedit either becasuse of python3 or changes to the apps since we last wrote them
[16:03] <DanChapman> senan have you tried printing the menu items so you can see if you are selecting it by the correct label value?
[16:04] <balloons> DanChapman: that's excellent news. I'll try and have a look.
[16:04] <DanChapman> balloons, excluding the firefox test. BUt that ones just crazy anyway
[16:04] <senan> DanChapman, No I didn't
[16:06] <balloons> DanChapman: :-) yea py3 conversion is a good point also
[16:15] <elfy> balloons: hi boss :)
[16:16] <senan> DanChapman, will simple print statement work ?
[16:18] <DanChapman> senan it sure does. or you can use print_tree
[16:21] <senan> DanChapman, I'm getting syntax error while using print and print_tree
[16:37] <balloons> elfy: hello! good to hear from you
[16:37] <disc0tech> DanChapman saw your MP comments, look like trivial to resolve, however I'm trying to get your TestRunner / QEMU / KVM working first... because I assume then I can find these issues myself?
[16:41] <DanChapman> disc0tech, yes trivial little things :-) are you having problems with it?
[16:43] <disc0tech> Well I lost about half a day on various qemu issues (apparmor problems, libusb conflicts and I had my /tmp mounted to RAM with noexec - which caused some strife)..  As of just now I have a working VM running through the trusty install..
[16:44] <DanChapman> It should be just a case of specifying your bzr branch in the config file then from the desktop-autopilot-runner directory run "./run-autopilot-test -T /path/to/config.cfg --test rhythmbox ~/path/to/iso"
[16:45] <disc0tech> ah yes, spent so long resolving random issues I forgot what I was supposed to be doing :)
[16:45] <disc0tech> so the TestRunner spins up the virt for me...
[16:45] <DanChapman> disc0tech, oh sounds a nightmare!!
[16:46] <DanChapman> disc0tech, it sure does it boots into a live session, pulls in deps and test branch, runs tests and then collects all artifacts and pulls them back to /tmp/ubuntu_autopilot.tests
[16:47] <disc0tech> what config file is the -T option referring to above?
[16:47] <disc0tech> and does it INSTALL the ISO also?
[16:48] <disc0tech> ah sorry - found that in the readme
[16:48] <DanChapman> disc0tech, just copy the one in desktop-autopilot-runner/config. Yes it install's the ISO but it's all cleaned up at the end all your left with is the test artifacts
[16:49] <DanChapman> disc0tech, sorry it doesn't install the iso it's a live session. I was thinking of ubiquity then
[16:49] <disc0tech> OK, that's fine, actually that makes a lot more sense
[16:50] <DanChapman> senan what's the issue with print_tree()
[16:57] <senan> DanChapman, its working fine dan
[17:02] <DanChapman> senan i can select the menu items fine with get_state_by_path("//GtkWindow//GtkAccelLabel[label='Scan Remote Folder...']")
[17:02] <senan> DanChapman, NameError: global name 'print_tree' is not defined
[17:03] <senan> DanChapman, wow
[17:10] <cyphermox_> hey, seems like https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-network-manager/ is having some issues downloading packages to run the adt tests, could someone please look into it?
[17:13] <senan> DanChapman, How do I import that
[17:16] <DanChapman> senan import what?
[17:17] <DanChapman> oh get_state_by_path..... just do self.app.get_state_by_path() it's an autopilot function
[17:19] <senan> DanChapman, But its not working for me
[17:19] <DanChapman> whats the output saying?
[17:19] <thomi> DanChapman: curious: why are you looking at get_state_by_path? it's probably not that usefulf or you
[17:19] <thomi> *for you
[17:19] <senan> DanChapman,getting  <senan> DanChapman, But its not working for me
 whats the output saying?
[17:20] <senan> DanChapman, ValueError: Object 'dbus.Array([], signature=dbus.Signature('(sv)'))' does not have any recognised position attributes
[17:21] <davmor2>  sent out?
[17:21] <DanChapman> thomi, hey o/ it's an annoying little issue trying to select a GtkMenuItem autopilot2.7 is selecting fine aautopilot3 can't find it. but i could select it with get_state_by_path so it is there, just gotta figure out why select_single isn't finding it
[17:22] <thomi> DanChapman: Iiiiiinteresting.
[17:23] <thomi> DanChapman: that sounds like something I should look in to - but I'm on a sprint this week, so i'm likely to be pretty busy
[17:24] <thomi> DanChapman: if you can select it in python2-land, but not in python3-land, that sounds like a bug
[17:25] <senan> DanChapman, why I am getting this NameError: global name 'print_tree' is not defined
[17:25] <thomi> DanChapman: maybe, if you don't find anything useful, you could file a bug against autopilot with instructions for how I can reproduce it
[17:28] <DanChapman> thomi ok cool well i will see if I can pin point whats happening and If it is a bug i'll file one with a simplified testcase
[17:29] <thomi> DanChapman: thanks
[17:29] <senan> DanChapman, why i am getting this NameError: global name 'print_tree' is not defined
[17:29] <DanChapman> senan, how are you using print tree?
[17:30] <senan> print_tree(object_name)
[17:31] <senan> DanChapman, print_tree(object_name)
[17:32] <DanChapman> senan ahhhh.... you need to use it on an object. for instance "window = self.app.select_single(GtkWindow)" and then call print tree on it so "window.print_tree()" which will dump it to console or you can print to file with window.print_tree("/tmp/tree.txt")
[17:32] <senan> DanChapman, he he.. I though its just like a normal function
[17:32] <DanChapman> senan :-D
[17:35] <senan> DanChapman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6949935/
[17:35] <senan> DanChapman,I did a  self.create_scan_folder_sub_menu_item = window.select_many('GtkCheckMenuItemAccessible')[0]
[17:42] <DanChapman> senan ok so using that in your test does that select it ok now
[17:43] <senan> DanChapman, It will work dan, but Is it the right way ?
[17:46] <DanChapman> senan so if that works I don't see why select_single('GtkCheckMenuItemAccessible', label="Scan Folder...") doesn't
[17:46] <DanChapman> senan i'll give it a try
[18:04] <DanChapman> senan this is perculiar select_many accepts it select_single doesn't
[18:05] <senan> DanChapman, hmmmm
[18:08] <senan> DanChapman, going to sleep.. nothing seems to work out :(
[19:47] <DanChapman> thomi, it's not a bug with autopilot it's down to crazy unicode characters like \u2026 not being the same as '...' (looks the same to me though) :-D
[19:48] <thomi> DanChapman: can you file a bug please? I'll try and get to it this week
[19:48] <thomi> sounds like an easy fix,
[19:51] <DanChapman> thomi, sure :-)
[22:46] <balloons> ping elfy


[20:50] <Unit193> Looks like we need to SRU for 1688056 too..
[20:53] <flocculant> is that the weather app thing?
[20:53] <flocculant> bluesabre will be pleased :)
[20:53] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:53] <flocculant> mmm
[20:53] <flocculant> been seeing it come up
[20:53] <Unit193> Teeechnically whisker too, but that's easier to ignore than to SRU. >_>
[20:53] <flocculant> whisker?
[20:54]  * flocculant is more jumpy about thunar tbh :D
[20:54] <flocculant> the weather is outside the door :p
[20:56] <flocculant> this weather thing had been bubbling up for a while iirc - not something that suddenly happened?
[20:56] <flocculant> that is - it was known it was going to occur - or at least that's what I read into the things I read
[21:14] <flocculant> knome: just a small poke re fwd'd mail to us re Slideshow
[21:15] <knome> flocculant, ack
[21:15] <knome> i read it and completely agree
[21:15] <knome> now we just need to not forget...
[21:15] <knome> slickymaster, ping?
[21:15] <flocculant> are we going to look to bringing community in for art at all?
[21:15] <flocculant> for cycle that is - cos do it now :p
[21:15] <knome> i need to postpone that to at least next week, but yes, we could do that campaign about asking for ideas
[21:16] <knome> (not necessarily only art, that is)
[21:16] <flocculant> slickymaster and others ... re Slideshow - might be an opportune time (eg not LTS cycle) to start rejigging that - it's not really changed for years now
[21:17] <flocculant> looks a bit dated perhaps ;)
[21:18] <knome> yeaaah, maybe :P
[21:18] <flocculant> knome: and perhaps these things might benefit from a cycle start meeting
[21:18] <knome> yep
[21:18] <knome> whose turn is it again :P
[21:18] <flocculant> cycel start
[21:18] <flocculant> should be COUNCIL !!!!
[21:18] <flocculant> :)
[21:18] <knome> nnnnnnnnnnaaaah
[21:18] <knome> :P
[21:18] <knome> ok ok
[21:18] <knome> i'll get that scheduled
[21:19] <flocculant> cheers
[21:19] <knome> let's write a mail...
[21:51] <knome> !team | ygm, please read it and consider replying if you feel at all like it
[21:51] <Unit193> ygm?
[21:51] <Unit193> (Yes, yes...   :P
[21:56] <knome> Unit193, you like ricE?
[21:58] <krytarik> I'm fine with the new proposed one.
[21:59] <knome> maybe i should've also wrote "it's supposed to be as unobtrusive as possible on most sizes"
[21:59] <knome> this is really a slight change, you're seeing the differences so well because it's pumped up to a LARGE size
[22:02]  * flocculant responds to art mail - hilariously :D
[22:02] <flocculant> krytarik: !!!
[22:02] <flocculant> I thought you were lost forever :(
[22:03] <knome> why would you think that? :)
[22:03] <Unit193> "Quit yer yappin'!  I don't see enough difference to bother a hair about"
[22:03] <flocculant> or at least some weeks :)
[22:03] <knome> so many lurkers
[22:04] <Unit193> /mode +b tracker*!*@*
[22:04]  * flocculant tried to use anames.pl
[22:04] <knome> i wa referring to people not talking but suddenly replying to mail :P
[22:05] <flocculant> that went really well - it crashed irssi - all I wanted was away people in some other colour
[22:05] <flocculant> knome: :D
[22:07] <Unit193> flocculant: ...Works forme!
[22:26] <flocculant> pleia2: I remember back a while when we had all manner of what tool for usb's - Spass mentioned this - an I've used it - and it was simple to use once you had it - https://etcher.io/
[22:27] <flocculant> only actually tells me about usb's plugged in - not all the other drives I have
[22:28] <flocculant> not quicker though - I assume it uses the same backend to do the job
[22:28] <pleia2> neat
[22:29] <pleia2> I
[22:29] <pleia2> I'm still using and recommending gnome disks
[22:29] <flocculant> yea - I was using that too until Spass mentioned it and I went and looked
[22:30]  * pleia2 nods
[22:31] <flocculant> oh yea - I looked at License - then I wasn't sure ... Apache License 2.0
[22:33]  * flocculant will wait for others to decide if someone with Team hat on should suggest that as a tool given license
[22:47] <Unit193> !info etcher
[22:48] <Unit193> Nope!
[22:48] <flocculant> well yea I knew that
[22:48] <flocculant> I was most interested in comment on licence tbh :p
[22:51] <Unit193> Apache licnese 2.0 is "fine"
[22:52] <flocculant> not awful then
[22:54] <Unit193> https://tldrlegal.com/license/apache-license-2.0-(apache-2.0)  According to someone else, it's 'fun' because:  "If you fork an AL2 project on GitHub in your free GitHub account, and make changes in preparation for submitting a PR, without adding notices in changed files for all your changes, you've violated the license and may be subject to lawsuits." -- "On the other hand (re: AL2), if you *do*
[22:54] <Unit193> add all those notices, the upstream project will probably reject your PR, because they don't need the notices (being the copyright holders in the first place)."


[01:03] <mwhudson> what's up with the s390x builders taking forever to update themselves?
[01:03] <mwhudson> Fetched 144 MB in 3min 26s (696 kB/s)
[16:52] <brady> Is this the right place to discuss packaging/build issues with ppa’s?
[16:56] <cjwatson> brady: #launchpad is probably a better place to start, though it would depend on the issue.
[16:57] <brady> I have a package that requires golang-1.7, specifically the debian/control file contains “Build-Depends: debhelper, golang (>= 1.7) | golang-1.7 (>= 1.7)”, except when the build system starts it seems to always install golang-1.6.. I am sure I am doing something wrong but for the life of me I can’t figure out what
[16:57] <cjwatson> brady: Would need to see the log really.
[16:57] <brady> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/284492546/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.logsaver_0.0.3-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:58] <cjwatson> brady: The golang package is at version 2:1.6-1ubuntu4, which is greater than 1.7.
[16:58] <cjwatson> brady: You probably wanted (>= 2:1.7)
[16:59] <cjwatson> brady: (But only for the golang dependency, not the golang-1.7 one.)
[16:59] <cjwatson> brady: So golang (>= 2:1.7) | golang-1.7 (>= 1.7)
[17:02] <brady> …. Son of a… I looked at that like 10 times and didn’t see it =)
[17:15] <brady> Woot! That got it! Thanks for the help @cjwatson! =)
[18:19] <cjwatson> np


[09:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3747 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[09:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity: * KDE frontend:
[09:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity:  - Don't add partition bar frames for devices we can't find for whatever
[09:33] <CIA-52> ubiquity:  reason (LP: #485450).
[09:52] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3748 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-console-setup.py):
[09:52] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Pass model, layout, variant, and options to rewrite_xorg_conf
[09:52] <CIA-52> ubiquity: (LP: #514646).
[09:55] <CIA-52> pkgsel: cjwatson * r155 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog postinst):
[09:55] <CIA-52> pkgsel: Install zh-hans language packs for zh_CN, and zh-hant language packs for
[09:55] <CIA-52> pkgsel: zh_TW (LP: #517621).
[09:57] <CIA-52> pkgsel: cjwatson * r156 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.25ubuntu5
[09:58] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3749 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[09:58] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Install zh-hans language packs for zh_CN, and zh-hant language packs for
[09:58] <CIA-52> ubiquity: zh_TW (LP: #517621).
[10:18] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3750 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-console-setup.py): Fix crash on keyboard variant selection (LP: #512953).
[10:20] <dmarkey> is it possible to disable specific entries in tasksel
[10:33] <cjwatson> dmarkey: yes, preseed tasksel/skip-tasks
[10:33] <cjwatson> ev: don't suppose you could have a look at bug 507343?
[10:34] <dmarkey> cjwatson: genious, as always
[10:34] <cjwatson> there's a report from karmic as well
[10:34] <ev> cjwatson: will do
[10:34] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:43] <ev> hrm, the persistent debconf changes to casper appear to have the effect that debconf isn't writing to its database
[10:44] <ev> just a heads up, I'm looking into it
[10:45] <cjwatson> ugh
[11:02] <dmarkey> cjwatson: can one customise the "installation is finished" message
[11:03] <ogra> cjwatson, so in my log from last night you think the locking was the issue ? (i wouldnt know where that comes from, nothing uses debconf here apart from ubiquity)
[11:04] <cjwatson> dmarkey: no
[11:04] <ogra> and yes, i think libc6-vfp is gone since we have vfp by default
[11:04] <cjwatson> dmarkey: not without editing source and rebuilding anyway (but that should be obvious!)
[11:04] <cjwatson> ogra: it looked like it.  you may think you aren't using debconf but some packages are being reconfigured under the covers and they apparently use it.
[11:05] <ogra> when could that happen ? i mean i boot directly into ubiquity-dm ...
[11:06] <cjwatson> it's being done by the configure_hardware function in /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py
[11:06] <CIA-52> hw-detect: cjwatson * r138 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog hw-detect.sh):
[11:06] <CIA-52> hw-detect: Don't try to install libc6-vfp any more; it hasn't been built since
[11:06] <CIA-52> hw-detect: eglibc 2.10.1-0ubuntu10 in karmic.
[11:06] <cjwatson> which some people do want to happen in oem-config, so it isn't as simple as just dropping it
[11:06] <ogra> or rephrasing that, could it be ubiquity or could it be the bootstrapping
[11:06] <cjwatson> it is a bug in ubiquity
[11:06] <ogra> ok
[11:06] <cjwatson> or at least it appears to be
[11:07] <ogra> well, i run debootstrap and the subsequent apt-get under DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ... so i was fearing it could be a leftover from the build run
[11:07] <cjwatson> nothing to do with thta
[11:07] <cjwatson> that
[11:08] <ogra> if you think its clearly ubiquity then i'm fine for the script side at least :)
[11:08] <cjwatson> the problem is that ubiquity uses debconf itself, but then tries to reconfigure some packages that also use debconf, and in oem-config mode they end up trying to use the same database
[11:08] <ogra> right
[11:08] <cjwatson> and it appears not to be passing down the necessary fds or whatever
[11:08] <cjwatson> this is just a top-level analysis, I haven't seriously looked into the bug
[11:08] <cjwatson> please do file it separately from your earlier one
[11:09] <ogra> will do, i guess you'D like syslog with it ?
[11:09] <ev> it'd be fantastic if initramfs-tools supported break=top,bottom.  Might have to hack that in at some point.
[11:09] <ogra> (the full one)
[11:10] <cjwatson> ogra: yes
[11:10] <cjwatson> ev: yes :)
[11:23] <ev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/373137/ - does that look reasonable?
[11:24] <cjwatson> LGTM
[11:26] <ev> cool, uploaded
[11:37] <ogra> ev, how does that work from a user perspective, i ctrl-d out of one breakpoint and it moves to the other ?
[11:38] <ev> ogra: indeed
[11:38] <ogra> sweet !
[11:39] <CIA-52> tzsetup: cjwatson * r513 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog tzsetup): Only set http_proxy if mirror/http/proxy is non-empty (LP: #519241).
[11:45] <CIA-52> tzsetup: cjwatson * r514 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.26ubuntu5
[12:25] <ogra> cjwatson, bug 429146 wrt libc6-vfp ... feel free to wipe the patch
[12:26] <ogra> (apparently it was gone in karmic already, sorry that nobody notified you)
[12:26] <cjwatson> ogra: already done, look at scrollback about 1h20m ago ;-)
[12:26] <cjwatson> suppose I could upload it
[12:26] <ogra> heh, missed that
[12:27] <ogra> i'd love to test the recent changes ... at least for the debconf frontend
[12:27] <ogra> oh, thats only in hw-detect ... not oem-config
[12:28] <CIA-52> hw-detect: cjwatson * r139 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.73ubuntu2
[12:38] <ara> cjwatson, ping
[12:48] <cjwatson> ara: hi
[12:49] <cjwatson> ev: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605137 making progress ...
[12:49] <ara> cjwatson, hello, I am working on setting up the testcases for iscsi root installations
[12:49] <ara> cjwatson, (ubuntu-server lucid up to date iso)
[12:50] <ara> and, although I can login to the target, it does not appear in the list of available disks
[12:50] <ev> ah, awesome
[12:51] <cjwatson> ara: odd, can I see logs?  what kind of target are you using?
[12:52] <cjwatson> ara: if a software target, do you have a Lun entry in the appropriate Target block in /etc/ietd.conf?
[12:52] <cjwatson> mine looks like this:
[12:52] <cjwatson> Target iqn.2009-07.org.ucam.vpn.pelham.wl.sarantium:test
[12:52] <cjwatson>         Lun 0 Path=/srv/iscsitest,Type=fileio
[12:52] <ara> cjwatson, yes, I have
[12:52] <ara> cjwatson, http://imagebin.org/84186
[12:53] <cjwatson> ok, that does look good
[12:54] <ara> but, it does not show the new disk
[12:54] <ara> the one that appears is the "physical" one
[12:56] <cjwatson> oh, you mean that fdisk shows the physical one?
[12:58] <ara> yes
[12:58] <ara> but not the iSCSI target
[13:03] <cjwatson> ara: can I see logs, please?
[13:04] <ara> sure, let me try to post them somewhere
[13:22] <ara> cjwatson, I found the typo in the ietd.conf file
[13:23] <ara> cjwatson, strange thing is that it does not report it when you start the daemon
[13:23] <ara> it is working now, thanks
[13:23] <cjwatson> yeah, it's all a bit delicate :-/
[13:23] <cjwatson> great
[13:35] <superm1> cjwatson, did you see whether preseeding was working during Jamie Bennett's merge (bug 518272)?
[13:41] <cjwatson> superm1: the core of it did work, but ev's in the process of fixing a bug whereby the debconf database doesn't get saved.
[13:41] <superm1> cjwatson, ah okay :)
[13:45] <ev> I suspect we're not poking the right environment variables.  strace indicates that it's just not writing to config.dat-new like it normally would.
[13:45] <ev> for debconf, that is
[13:58] <cjwatson> we're killing debconf-communicate with SIGTERM, which it may not consider to be a clean shutdown
[13:58] <cjwatson> it would be worth trying to close its file descriptors first, and then waiting for it to shut down by itself
[13:58] <cjwatson> indeed maybe just removing the kill would do it ...
[14:09] <ev> nope, it doesn't shut down
[14:09] <ev> SIGINT doesn't help either
[14:10] <cjwatson> that suggests to me that some other process still has an fd held open to it
[14:10] <cjwatson> look through /proc/*/fd/
[14:12] <cjwatson> if that's the case, then some judicious 3>&- 4<&- redirections ought to help
[14:28] <dmarkey> is there a way to get grub-pc to generate menu.lst
[14:28] <dmarkey> in tandem to grub.conf
[14:34] <cjwatson> no, menu.lst is exclusively for grub-legacy.
[14:34] <cjwatson> (and grub.conf is Fedora's name for menu.lst; I assume you actually mean grub.cfg)
[14:34] <dmarkey> yep
[15:38] <dmarkey> is it possible to get partman to start the 1st partition on LBA 128 instead of LBA 63
[15:38] <dmarkey> strange question i know
[16:00] <cjwatson> not really.  why?
[16:01] <cjwatson> if you're asking about this for the sake of SSD alignment, that's a somewhat bigger question than just the position of the first partition, and I'm hoping parted 2.1 will help
[16:43] <dmarkey> cjwatson: its for block alignment with xen, between the guests partition table and the backend storage device
[16:43] <dmarkey> probably applied for kvm too
[16:44] <dmarkey> applies*
[17:03] <cjwatson> dmarkey: right, alignment is really a bigger problem, I'd rather try to solve it in one block rather than cherry-picking bits around the corners
[17:04] <cjwatson> the way to get libparted to do this kind of thing is to apply what it calls "constraints"
[17:05] <dmarkey> cjwatson: can that be preseeded?
[17:05] <dmarkey> btw i'm working on 9.10 here
[17:05] <cjwatson> dmarkey: no, you're probably stuck on this, sorry
[17:06] <cjwatson> the installer just doesn't have this feature right now
[17:06] <dmarkey> cjwatson: how about a format the disk before the installer kicks in
[17:06] <dmarkey> in an early command or something
[17:07] <cjwatson> sure, you can hack around with that, but it's horrendously difficult
[17:07] <cjwatson> you have to duplicate chunks of partman and convince it not to run somehow
[17:07] <cjwatson> I'm afraid you're kind of on your own there
[17:08] <dmarkey> so, fdisk wont do what i want?
[17:09] <cjwatson> fdisk might
[17:09] <cjwatson> like I say, you'll have to work this out for yourself I'm afraid, you're well outside normal installer territory
[17:10] <cjwatson> in future I'd like to have the installer do this itself, but I don't think I am able to help with doing it on 9.10
[17:14] <dmarkey> cjwatson: but if i set up something early, the partitioner will probably overwrite it
[17:14] <cjwatson> hence
[17:14] <cjwatson> 17:07 <cjwatson> you have to duplicate chunks of partman and convince it not to run somehow
[17:15] <cjwatson> i.e. you may find you have to set up fstab for yourself and stuff like that
[17:15] <cjwatson> although I suppose you could try creating a small dummy partition at LBA 128, and then tell the partitioner to use the remaining free space
[17:15] <cjwatson> that might work, with care
[17:17] <dmarkey> thanks alot
[17:18] <cjwatson> let me know if it does, in case somebody else asks? :-)
[17:54] <fragadelic> cjwatson - hi, this is fragadelic the guy who made remastersys.  been getting some reports from folks that ubiquity in karmic is having some issues due to unresolved deps - are you guys in the process of updating ubiquity for karmic?
[18:07] <cjwatson> fragadelic: wasn't aware of that, do you have any detail?
[18:08] <cjwatson> we don't normally update ubiquity in point releases, but in any event I'd guess this would be a problem with individual packages, not with the installer itself?
[18:08] <cjwatson> given that it worked at release time :)
[18:08] <cjwatson> err - I meant to say "we don't normally update ubiquity in non-LTS releases" (since they don't get point releases, so no CDs etc.)
[18:09] <cjwatson> can make exceptions for really bad stuff
[18:10] <ogra> are the gtk/qt UIs of oem-config supposed to have a tasksel run as well or is that debconf_ui only ?
[18:13] <cjwatson> debconf_ui only
[18:13] <cjwatson> built-in tasksel was just for the server mode.  you can always run tasksel manually
[18:14] <ogra> indeed
[18:14] <ogra> i have a tasksel gui for the rootstok-gui app i was just wondering if i could leave that part completely to oem-config
[18:15] <ogra> but then i'll go with my current solution
[18:16] <cjwatson> you could try adding a UI page for it to ubiquity
[18:16] <cjwatson> wouldn't have to be used as a mandatory thing
[18:16] <cjwatson> there's probably some complex debconf plumbing involved, though
[18:16] <ogra> yeah
[18:17] <ogra> my ui just parses the desc file and hands over ^$task for each selected task to apt ...
[18:17] <ogra> its really primitive but does the job
[18:18] <ogra> and i think i need to do the run in advance actually, since i select the oem-config ui based on the fact if x/gtk/qt is installed
[18:19] <ogra> hmm, yeah, that would actually not work
[18:52] <tbrijeski> cjwatson - are you there
[21:00] <tbrijeski> cjwatson or anyone else - my question is about the version of ubiquity in karmic - is it changing or has it changed? some users of remastersys on karmic are reporting they can't install as ubiquity won't install due to deps. I have to go soon but will check the irc logs if anyone answers. thanks in advance
[21:32] <cjwatson> tbrijeski: you left *just* before I could answer
[21:33] <cjwatson> I already answered you under a different name
[21:33] <cjwatson> 18:07 <cjwatson> fragadelic: wasn't aware of that, do you have any detail?
[21:33] <cjwatson> 18:08 <cjwatson> we don't normally update ubiquity in point releases, but in any event I'd guess this would be a problem with individual packages, not with the installer itself?
[21:33] <cjwatson> 18:08 <cjwatson> given that it worked at release time :)
[21:33] <cjwatson> 18:08 <cjwatson> err - I meant to say "we don't normally update ubiquity in non-LTS releases" (since they don't get point releases, so no CDs etc.)
[21:33] <cjwatson> 18:09 <cjwatson> can make exceptions for really bad stuff
[21:34]  * cjwatson will try mail
[21:34] <ogra> heh