[00:01]  * awen_ curses the python-dbus implementation for not making sensible signal-handling possible (compared to python-dcop)
[00:01] <sahin_h> Riddell: I found the note. However I would like to put the translation on the Hungarian ubuntu site when beta has been released.
[00:01] <sahin_h> Riddell: So, not before the release.
[00:02] <Riddell> sahin_h: give it an hour I think
[00:02] <Riddell> awen_: if there's a way to do it that's sensible for post-beta, do go ahead
[00:02] <Nookie^> Riddell: one thing i know that doesnt work is to set proxy settings.. imposible to get it work at my work
[00:02] <Nookie^> Riddell: maybe it's a kde thing
[00:02] <Riddell> Nookie^: proxy settings in what?
[00:03] <Nookie^> To be able to use internet
[00:03] <Riddell> Nookie^: for which app?
[00:03] <Nookie^> For all
[00:03] <Nookie^> konqueror
[00:03] <Riddell> can you get firefox to work?
[00:03] <Nookie^> firefox works yes
[00:04] <Nookie^> but not any other apps
[00:04] <Nookie^> that's why all people at ikea are using gnome instead =(
[00:04] <awen_> Riddell: g-p-m spawns app sending dcop signals directly to it; and g-p-m kills that app when closing; only thing needed is a patch to kde-guidance with an extra python file... sounds reasonable sensible?
[00:04] <Riddell> awen_: seems reasonable enough
[00:05] <Riddell> Nookie^: no idea I'm afraid, as far as I know it works for proxies, e.g. I know seaLne uses it
[00:06] <Nookie^> Riddell: strange.. because that popup window is comming up to authorize but it doesn't bypass it
[00:06] <Riddell> hi mobiusNZ
[00:06] <mobiusNZ> hi all
[00:07] <awen_> Riddell: okay... expect a test package over the weekend
[00:09] <jjesse> evening
[00:10] <CheGuevara> hi
[00:11] <mobiusNZ> does anyone have a project they need someone to go over the code for, do little fixes etc... just to get me into the swing of things round here? I'm not new to programming, but I haven't played with python or c++ much....
[00:13] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: if you're up for python, system-config-printer-kde needs work
[00:16] <mobiusNZ> righto, now for the question that fully demonstrates my newness to buntu hacking ;)... I see thats a hardy package - do i need to be running hardy to be working on it?
[00:17] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: no, I think gutsy is fine
[00:17] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: you do need bzr though
[00:17] <mobiusNZ> just apting it now
[00:21] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: you want the branch command from here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port
[00:22] <sahin_h> Riddell: Ok, I finished the Hungarian Kubuntu 8.04 beta article based on the original release note.
[00:23] <sahin_h> Riddell: http://ubuntu.hu/hirek/2008mar/megjelent-a-kubuntu-804-beta
[00:23] <Riddell> sahin_h: great
[00:23] <mobiusNZ> Riddell: thanks, I'd figured out the url, was just figuring out which keyword to use... its a little different from svn i see, but I gather not too much
[00:24] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: it's a straight port of the gnome app system-config-printer to qt
[00:24] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: in many places you can copy and paste to some extent
[00:25] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: so install system-config-printer and see what's missing in our version (or apt-get source source and look at the .glade file in glade-2)
[00:25] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: maybe adding smb printer support to the new printer dialogue is the next step
[00:26] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: when you make any changes, bzr commit   to save locally
[00:26] <mobiusNZ> Riddell: righto cheers
[00:26] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: if you put a public ssh key in your account on launchpad you can  bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:26] <Riddell> which will make it available to the rest of the world
[00:27] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: have you used qt4-designer before?
[00:27] <mobiusNZ> nope
[00:28] <yuriy> wtf @ bug 204455
[00:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204455 in ubuntu "smart package manager is not installed by default in kubuntu kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204455
[00:29] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: it makes the .ui files that make the interface template, probably worth reading the docs and trying it out first http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/designer-manual.html
[00:29] <yuriy> at first i thought he meant the smart package manager
[00:29] <mobiusNZ> up till now my gui programming has been java and c#.... hence why I'm more keen to go over code, refactor, etc, until I get the feel of how everything works
[00:29] <yuriy> seems he means adept and/or synaptic.. but adept is installed by default
[00:29] <yuriy> + he's on gutsy.. so i really have no idea what it's about
[00:29] <yuriy> one of the kde4 preview cd's?
[00:30] <Riddell> yuriy: quite likely
[00:30] <Riddell> yuriy: close saying the hardy CDs have adept
[00:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you want the HelpingKubuntu page migrated to the drupal website or left on the Wiki?
[00:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: can do
[00:30] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: so this should be fun, its just converting gtk to qt :)
[00:31] <ryanakca> can do what? either? migrate? leave it?
[00:31] <mobiusNZ> Riddell: hmm, seem bzr that comes with gutsy isn't good enough for this branch
[00:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: either :)
[00:31] <ryanakca> lol, I'll leave it on the Wiki and we can migrate it at a later date ;)
[00:31] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: how about the one in gutsy-backports?
[00:32] <mobiusNZ> i will check... just have to load it
[00:32] <dasKreech> Adept Qt4?
[00:32] <Riddell> dasKreech: no
[00:35] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: you can get an up to date gnome version with   svn co http://svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/system-config-printer/trunk
[00:40] <mobiusNZ> whats the deb entry for gutsy backports? I'm trying deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy gutsy-backports but its not working....
[00:41] <yuriy> skip the "gutsy"?
[00:41] <Riddell> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gitsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[00:41] <Riddell> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[00:44] <mobiusNZ> if i remove the gutsy, i get "E: Malformed line 22 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)" when running apt-get update
[00:44] <ryanakca> Anybody willing to do some colorizing on a few pngs (4, three tabs and a bar)?
[00:44] <mobiusNZ> if i have the gutsy in, it goes through all my sources, but I get
[00:44] <mobiusNZ> "Failed to fetch http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  gutsy-backports/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)"
[00:47] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: maybe the nz mirror is broken
[00:47] <mobiusNZ> i tried the main one as well (dropped the nz.), same prob
[00:47] <Riddell> mobiusNZ: what do you have?
[00:48] <mobiusNZ> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy gutsy-backports
[00:48] <Riddell> no
[00:48] <Riddell> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[00:50] <mobiusNZ> ah, no, I have many ubuntu computers in this house so I have apt-proxy running... so my line is deb http://sarge:9999/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[00:50] <mobiusNZ> but i only have one dev computer so I just added the backports on my local machine.
[00:50] <mobiusNZ> Are you *sure* thats you're deb line? If I remove the initial gutsy after the url it won't work at all!
[00:52] <Riddell> the line I pasted is correct
[00:52] <Riddell> removing the "gutsy" from it will break it
[00:53] <yuriy> mobiusNZ: sorry for the confusion. your original line is wrong in that it doesn't have main universe etc.. after "gutsy-backports" and *also* because it has an extra "gutsy" in before it
[00:54] <mobiusNZ> oh, I understand what the issue is now. I had thought that gutsy-backports was like main/restricted etc, when it is actually a different distro
[00:55] <mobiusNZ> its working now, on the kiwi mirror
[00:57] <Riddell> bonza
[00:58] <mobiusNZ> god i miss my cable connection... downloading has never been the same since i moved house :(
[00:59] <CheGuevara> we have a drupal site
[00:59] <CheGuevara> ?
[01:00] <ryanakca> CheGuevara: we will
[01:00] <CheGuevara> oh right
[01:01] <seele> churro churro
[01:01]  * seele wonders if everyone has some form of fried sweet bread
[01:02] <Artimus> Is it true that QTCurve was chosen as the KDE3 style for Hardy/
[01:04] <Riddell> Artimus: so the rumours say
[01:05] <ryanakca> seele: we have doughnuts up here in Canada... mind you, I guess thats more of a dough than bread... still yummy though :)
[01:05] <Artimus> Bug report time, then.  Color mismatching is present.  (I also hate QTCurve, but I don't think I can file a bug report about that)
[01:06] <seele> ryanakca: mmmm.. donut
[01:06] <seele> ryanakca: i was also thinking fried dough you get from carnival
[01:06] <dasKreech> seele: I do
[01:06] <dasKreech> Just had some in fact
[01:07] <ryanakca> <completely offtopic>Yeah... you guys have beaver tails down in <whatevercountryyou'refrom>? Or is that just another one of those canadian things?</completely offtopic>
[01:07] <dasKreech> Which is kinda strange cause I was wondering how you and blauzahl would react to it when you came down
[01:07] <dasKreech> seele: How's that for serendipity?
[01:08] <seele> ryanakca: beaver tails?  to eat?
[01:08] <seele> dasKreech: fried dough?
[01:09] <ryanakca> seele: not real tails, its kinda like a pizza shaped thing, except elongated, made out of the same thing as doughnuts, and covered with brown sugar, cinammon, lemon juice, etc
[01:09] <seele> uhm.. no, dont think so
[01:09] <seele> we have something called cow tails tht are made of caramel and creme
[01:09] <ryanakca> I guess you guys call them "elephant ears"
[01:09] <dasKreech> We have ox tails
[01:09] <dasKreech> which are tails ... from an ox
[01:10] <ryanakca> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beavertail.jpg ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_tail_(pastry)
[01:10] <ryanakca> odd, I have a recipy for oxtail gnocci... but I haven't managed to find ox tails...
[01:10] <seele> oooh.. yeah.  that's fried dough
[01:10] <seele> and then funnel cake is similar
[01:12] <seele> thats like the churro i just ate, except its like a stick
[01:12] <seele> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churro
[01:13] <ryanakca> heh, never heard of it :)
[01:14] <yuriy> when is the actual next meeting?
[01:16] <Riddell> sat 5th it should be
[01:18]  * dasKreech sighs
[01:18] <dasKreech> why is the solution to all Windows problems Burn everything to the ground and start new
[01:19] <yuriy> s/everything to the ground/a Kubuntu CD/
[01:21] <dasKreech> yuriy: Preach my Brother
[01:27] <Artimus> "Ideally, a user should never have to use the command line, but the option should always be there" <-- Would that be too off base for Kubuntu?  I was having a discussion and a few users were against the idea...
[01:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: what did you want on the front page. dmiller suggested a "What is Kubuntu"... anything else?
[01:30] <Riddell> What is kubuntu, big news story, news headlines
[01:30] <ryanakca> News headlines are in the left sidebar, similar to ubuntu.com, shall I remove that?
[01:31] <ryanakca> (and put it on the home page instead? Or should I put it on both?)
[01:31] <Riddell> sidebar is good
[01:31] <ryanakca> Big news story, could that be like "KDE 4.0.2 package updates are available" ?
[01:31] <ryanakca> big header?
[01:33] <Riddell> maybe a latest packages pointer
[01:33] <Riddell> big news story would probably be releases and events
[01:34] <ryanakca> Ok
[01:34] <ryanakca> latest packages pointer, I'm guessing we can manually add that weekly? Or is there an rss feed with Kubuntu packages?
[01:35] <Riddell> I think we want one page with the latest packages (currently we have a page for each change, but one page for all the current ones would be better)
[01:36] <Riddell> and we can update the front page as new ones come out
[01:37] <Riddell> manually
[01:37]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:37] <ryanakca> night
[01:41] <arcticpenguin380> does kubuntu hardy have the random memory location feature?
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> anything ubuntu has in the kernel, Kubuntu has as well
[01:52] <dasKreech> nosrednaekim: too slow :)
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> I may be the fastest gun.... but it don't do no good when your targets just vaish into thin air :)
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> the default wallpaper was changed again?
[02:03] <ryanakca> lol
[02:03]  * ryanakca checks
[02:03] <dasKreech> I still think we should have a repo of wallpapers
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> its called gethotnewstuff
[02:04] <dasKreech> naaaaw
[02:04] <dasKreech>  :-)
[02:05] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: the blue with white on the right and a grid-ish thing on the left?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:06] <ryanakca> hmm... been like that for a week methinks
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> I was used to the blue swirlies
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> :(
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> which I admittedly wasn't a fan of.
[02:11] <nixternal> that dude and his memory question asked 2 different versions of it in 2 different places
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> what was the other version
[02:12] <dasKreech> nixternal: and you remembered!! You pass :)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> and where was it
[02:12] <nixternal> kubuntu-devel ml
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ah ok..
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: in the release notes, it seems to infer that the compiz config tool will only be on the kde3 disc,is that true?
[02:15] <nixternal> don't know
[02:16] <nixternal> does it say kde3 only in the topic? I don't remember what I put
[02:16] <nixternal> compiz and kwin4 work together?
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> it says "for kde 3.5.9"
[02:16] <nixternal> last we tried it was garbage
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> yeah, it works for me
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> quite well actually, the pager and all works perfetly
[02:17] <nixternal> you can get rid of the 3.5.9 then if you would like
[02:17] <nixternal> I can't stand compiz, so I don't play with it
[02:18] <nixternal> does compiz run better with kde4 than it does kde3?
[02:18] <nixternal> I was playing with it the other night on kde3 and doing custom settings still sucked a bit
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> yes, it works much better, no need for any cheesy new planel applets
[02:20] <dasKreech> nosrednaekim: they patched in support for KDE sessions this week too :)
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> sessions?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> like multiple logins?
[02:21] <dasKreech> Yes it remembers open windows which desktop they were on if they weer minimized which was on top
[02:21] <dasKreech> currently I think it just dumps all open windows on desktop one in whatever order and unminimizes them all
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> bwhahah, my momjust came by and read my open firefox tab "hardy upgrades" and goes "sounds like a breakfast cereal"
[02:24] <dasKreech> Now with Wheat
[02:25] <nixternal> no no!
[02:25] <nixternal> Now with vitamin K
[02:26] <CheGuevara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/199287
[02:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199287 in kdebase-kde4 "File Associations Settings Module Broken Under KDE4 (Hardy)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: lol
[02:37] <rbrunhuber-au> Hobbsee?
[02:49] <mobiusNZ> yikes... i need a bigger screen to use qt4!
[02:49] <mobiusNZ> by qt4 i mean designer-qt4
[02:57]  * Czessi-m is away: Gone away for now.
[02:57]  * Czessi-m is away: Gone away for now.
[02:57]  * Czessi-m is back.
[03:21] <milian-laptop_> is there a kde4 quanta or is kde4 kdevelop available?
[03:21] <milian-laptop_> in the new kubuntu
[03:30] <nixternal> milian-laptop_: no to both quanta or kdevelop
[03:30] <nixternal> neither are quite ready last I checked
[03:32] <milian-laptop_> too bad
[03:32] <milian-laptop_> but thanks for the info
[04:10] <n8k99> nice job on the adept_manager upgrade to hardy without a cd tool
[04:29] <mobiusNZ> Riddell: you there?
[04:29] <stdin> he's probably in bed now
[04:30] <mobiusNZ> no worries... anyone else know where I might find the python module ppds in gutsy?
[04:33] <stdin> maybe in python-cups
[04:34] <mobiusNZ> doesn't appear to be
[04:34] <mobiusNZ> i have python-cups installed
[04:36] <nixternal> ppd is part of the system-config-printer app
[04:36] <mobiusNZ> i also have system-config-printer installed
[04:37] <Jucato> nix... ter... nal!!!!!
[04:37] <stdin> mobiusNZ: $ dpkg -S ppds.py
[04:37] <stdin> system-config-printer-common: /usr/share/system-config-printer/ppds.py
[04:39] <mobiusNZ> stdin: thanks, i must have my search paths mucked up or something
[04:39] <mobiusNZ> i do have that file on my system
[04:39] <stdin> it should be part of system-config-printer-common, let me see if it's on gutsy
[04:43] <stdin> mobiusNZ: /usr/share/system-config-printer/ppds.py should be in system-config-printer
[04:43] <stdin> (on gutsy)
[04:44] <mobiusNZ> stdin: thanks, I've found it... now I just got to figure how to link to it
[04:45] <stdin> heh, you're on your own with that part, I can only just about do a "Hello, World!" app in python :p
[04:46] <mobiusNZ> hah, yeah I'm just learning it now by working on it. I've got diveintopython.org open on my lappy ;)
[04:47] <nixternal> mobiusNZ: if you are interested in learning Python and Qt at the same time, the PyQt4 book is great..I think it taught me Python better than anything else I read
[04:47] <dasKreech> stdin: since you brought it up has helloworld been packaged yet?
[04:48] <nixternal> now I can take what I learned from it and then work with the strictly python books to get a better understanding
[04:48] <nixternal> <script type="text/javascript"><!-- print("Hello World!"); //--></script>
[04:48] <nixternal> there you go :p
[04:49] <mobiusNZ> nixternal: thanks for that, I'll check it out. I'm quite fluent in c#, java and php, and python seems to take bits from each of these, so i'm able to work out what most of the code does
[04:49] <stdin> dasKreech: I only see the "hello" packages, so no
[04:50] <nixternal> doesn't c# == java / 100? :p
[04:50] <dasKreech> !info hello hardy
[04:50] <ubotu> hello (source: hello): The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2-2 (hardy), package size 19 kB, installed size 584 kB
[04:51] <dasKreech> That old version ?
[04:52] <mobiusNZ> nixternal: yeah, I know what you mean - but I learnt java first, the c#, then when i went back to do a java project I actually missed a lot of the features c# has over java... :S
[04:52] <stdin> dasKreech: it's just a simple "Hello, World!" C app, it's only used to teach packaging
[04:55] <nixternal> #include <stdio.h>
[04:55] <nixternal> main() { printf("Hello World"); }
[04:55] <nixternal> you are telling me they have that right there packaged?
[04:55] <stdin> yeah :p
[04:55] <nixternal> omg
[04:56] <mobiusNZ> with an installed size of half a meg lol
[04:56] <n8k99> printf(" isn't that java?
[04:56] <nixternal> I am going back to Windows...they may have viruses, but they definitely don't have an installable Hello World application :p
[04:56] <nixternal> printf is everywhere
[04:57] <n8k99> cout << "everywhere?';
[04:57] <nixternal> hehe
[04:58] <stdin> error: missing closing quite
[04:58] <nixternal> std::cout
[04:58] <stdin> quote
[04:58] <nixternal> kdebug() << "EVERYWHERE!";
[04:59] <n8k99> fine, then go back to windows
[04:59] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:59] <nixternal> took you long enough
[05:00] <stdin> compbot: int main() { cout << "Hello, World!"; }
[05:00] <n8k99> but take your Hello World package with you
[05:00] <compbot> Hello, World!
[05:00] <stdin> :)
[05:00] <nixternal> stdin: you didn't return an int, so that would cry
[05:00] <stdin> nixternal: no, the standard says main returns 0 by default
[05:00] <nixternal> orly
[05:00] <nixternal> didn't know that
[05:00] <n8k99> ja
[05:01] <stdin> well, now you do :p
[05:01] <n8k99> tis trully true
[05:01] <nixternal> well I'll be damn
[05:01] <stdin> I guess we all got tired of typing "return 0;" so it was made implicit
[05:02] <n8k99> string nixternal = "dammed";
[05:02] <nixternal> heh, I do remember that now...
[05:03] <nixternal> I was thinking of how you can use ->  void main() <- with Visual Studio
[05:03] <nixternal> I used to get on our instructor all of the time
[05:03] <stdin> eww, that's evil
[05:18] <dasKreech> nixternal: It has classes
[05:24] <dasKreech> !info most hardy
[05:24] <ubotu> most (source: most): Pager program similar to more and less. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.10.2-5 (hardy), package size 43 kB, installed size 168 kB
[06:20] <Jucato> now seele's glasses or on planetkde and ubuntu :)
[06:50] <dasKreech> Nice :)
[07:00] <dasKreech> how are you Jucato ?
[07:00] <Jucato> frying..
[07:14] <dasKreech> Slow sizzle?
[07:14] <Jucato> yeah
[07:24] <dasKreech> how you like it?
[07:27] <Jucato> hehhe
[07:27] <Jucato> wanna switch places? :)
[07:28] <jussio1> gah, Im so bored. someone break something...
[07:29]  * nareshov dloads naruto-051-052 :}
[07:29] <Jucato> dattebayo....
[07:41] <dasKreech> :-)
[09:23] <davebv> hi! is there any guide to help me to compile latest KDE4 in hardy?
[09:32] <serzholino> davebv: general build instructions on techbase
[09:34] <davebv> thanks, is there any specific info for hardy?
[09:34] <davebv> I only found for gutsy, and general instructions
[09:34] <etretyak> davebv: follow gutsy instructions
[09:35] <davebv> ok, thanyou very much!
[09:48]  * awen_ just realised how annoying it is to test suspend functions, when working on the laptop meanwhile
[10:10] <davebv> when I have to add some lines to $PATH, how can I do that?
[10:25] <Moniker42> hey Riddell, just read your blogpost on the 8.04 beta.
[10:25] <Moniker42> any idea where i can find the SVG of those neat glasses? 8-)
[10:36] <fregl> what fglrx version is hardy using by default?
[10:38] <Riddell> Moniker42: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/akregator.svgz  (by pinheiro, LGPL 3)
[10:39] <Moniker42> Riddell, thanks
[10:39] <Moniker42> now to add these lovely specs to complete my pimped drupal icon...
[11:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping
[11:48] <Riddell> hi ryanakca
[11:49] <jpatrick> good morning all
[11:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: were you after some website artwork last night?  Noq^ might be able to help
[12:00] <Noq^> sure
[12:01] <Noq^> Riddell: as i told u i have installed beta version.. and first. Why is system visible in the menu? i think that should be in system settings maybe.. ?
[12:03] <Riddell> Noq^: KDE 3 or 4?
[12:03] <Noq^> Riddell: 3
[12:04] <Riddell> Noq^: System includes various technical programmes that are useful to users
[12:05] <Noq^> Riddell: of course.. but they are for settings of various things...
[12:06] <Noq^> You control the system / hardware with those..
[12:06] <Riddell> some are, some aren't.  none of them are kcontrol modules though so they can't go i system settings without large infrastructure changes
[12:06] <Noq^> Riddell: i see
[12:37] <ryanakca> Noq^: ping, you still around?
[12:40] <ryanakca> Noq^: if so, can you please change / colorize these images to blue, or replace them by an image of the same size, in blue, using the oxygen color palette?
[12:40] <ryanakca> http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/tabs/
[12:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm going skiing, I'll be back on Sunday night... I sent you a link to the webpage and created an account for you if ever you really wanted to change something and couldn't resist the urge to do so :)
[12:42] <Riddell> thanks ryanakca
[12:51] <Riddell> fabo: why rename libqt4-core?  that causes lots of upgrade problems
[13:05] <fabo> Riddell: Qt4.4 breaks binary compatibility on mips architecture, a package rename is needed. We would to make sure all packages will be rebuilded against new libraries.
[13:06] <Riddell> tsk, naughty mips
[13:07] <\sh> fun ;)
[13:10] <seele> yay it's friday and i have no meetings! (yet)
[13:11] <seele> oh, figures today isn't a hug day
[13:11] <Jucato> and no glasses either :)
[13:11] <seele> i'm blind enough i could probably test accessibility functions :P
[13:12] <\sh> seele: you have a braille keyboard? :)
[13:12]  * \sh could need one too when he's losing his glasses
[13:13] <Jucato> hehe
[13:13] <seele> \sh: i just need to the nibs on my keyboard to type.. i probably dont need labels
[13:14] <\sh> seele: well, it was more for "watching what's on the screen" not "typing"
[13:41] <seele> is there a way to figure out who authored a certain module?
[13:42] <Riddell> seele: module of what?
[13:43] <seele> in system settings
[13:44] <Riddell> seele: help->About <module>  in KDE 3
[13:44] <Riddell> probably KDE 4 too
[13:44] <Riddell> most get written once and never touched again though
[13:44] <seele> uhm.. i dont see any menus.. just the search box and some tabs on the main menu
[13:45] <Riddell> guess that's not an option in KDE 4 then
[13:45] <seele> lol, well there goes that idea
[13:45] <\sh> isn't it written in the sourcecode? authors file or whatever?
[13:46] <Riddell> yes, you'd need to look there
[13:46] <Riddell> they're mostly in kdebase-workspace-4.0.2/kcontrol
[13:46] <seele> ok
[13:48] <Riddell> some are in kdebase-runtime-4.0.2/kcontrol
[13:54]  * apachelogger waves at \sh
[13:55] <apachelogger> \sh: do you have time to revu a package?
[13:58]  * apachelogger throws http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-qt-engine-kde4 on \sh's desk and goes compiling amarok on windows
[13:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: wish me luck
[14:00] <seele> oh.. system settings is still kde3 isnt it?
[14:01] <\sh> apachelogger: I put it on my list
[14:04] <\sh> but first some real life work :)
[14:14] <Riddell> seele: well its both
[14:15]  * Hobbsee was surprsied to find the similarity between system settings and the mac equivalent yesterday.
[14:16] <davmor2> Riddell: Beta got released then :)
[14:16] <Riddell> davmor2: so slashdot says
[14:17] <davmor2> as long as slangasek says so too I don't care :)
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: hey, in printer config dialog, where should I add the delete printer button?the GTK dialog has a row of buttons across the top for new printer, new class,etc.
[14:22] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: add it to the first page
[14:23] <Riddell> the one with the new printer/class button
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> but then how do I select which printer to delete? a popup?
[14:24] <Riddell> oh, it deletes the current printer?
[14:24] <Riddell> then put it on the printer page, near clean print heads etc
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> ok, thats what I was thinking, great.
[14:26] <seele> is it possible to dynamically resize a tab area?  i know you can for a groupbox
[14:27] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: or see page 2 of kubuntu_printer_configuration.pdf
[14:27] <Riddell> seele: tab area?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: where is that?
[14:27] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: in the sources
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> :P
[14:28] <seele> Riddell: the area in the box belonging to a tab widget?
[14:28] <Riddell> seele: you can resize anything
[14:28] <seele> ah, ok. heh
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ah ok.... time for some UI fixes.
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> :)
[14:36] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: well, the priority should be getting it working at all, making it match that UI document has to come second
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> alright.
[14:56] <Tonio_> hum I lost keyboard and mouse after reboot on hardy, is that known problem ?
[15:44] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:45] <Riddell> tonio: did you look behind the fridge?
[15:45] <nixternal> hahaha
[15:46] <nixternal> ya, that is where my keyboard and mouse always run off to
[15:47] <dinosaur-rus> hi :)
[15:48] <jussio1> Riddell: nice!
[15:48] <jussio1> hi dinosaur-rus
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> ok, what in the world does @pyqtSignature("") do? it has something to do with the automatic signal->slot connector of pyqt4.uic doesn't it?
[15:57] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yes, I can't remember the details just now, I think I just guessed until it did the right thing
[15:57] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: in some cases pyqt likes to make signals automatically and you need that to stop it
[15:57] <Riddell> or I seem to mind it calls the slot twice for no good reason and that fixed it
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: which is precisely what it was doing to me and I just threw one of those on becuase I saw them elsewhere in the code:)
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> (and that fixed it)
[15:59] <Riddell> spooky really
[16:00] <nixternal> think of the @pyqtSignature() as an easy way to do polymorphism with signals
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> yeah, it was killing me for like an hour.... offering to delete a printer twice :)
[16:01] <nixternal> all it does is specify arguments for signals...so it allows you to have signals with the same name, but different functions
[16:02] <nixternal> plus it does the automagic connection
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> oh I see, so you have two connections to "on_btn_clicked" but you can't have two functions with that name, so you throw one of those in?
[16:03] <nosrednaekim> it seems automagic connection works without the @pyqtSignature....
[16:06] <nixternal> it does, but who knows what the future will bring
[16:06] <nixternal> from what I have been told by Mark Summerfield is that it is good practice
[16:07] <nosrednaekim> ok
[16:07] <nixternal> what are you using to edit the python code? just kate?
[16:08] <allee> Riddel: you told me to ping you today: gwenview bugfix at https://launchpad.net/~allee/+archive
[16:08] <nixternal> ooh, I need to make a new docs package so it can translated
[16:08]  * nixternal gets to work
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: yeah
[16:17] <comm_a_nder> hi there
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> hello comm_a_nder
[16:17] <comm_a_nder> just want to report: ive never had such a smooth dist-upgrade like gutsy to hardy
[16:18] <nixternal> w00t, that is awesome to hear..and it seems that has been the general concensus of late
[16:18] <nixternal> though, I have been one of the lucky ones who has been dist-upgrading this laptop since Dapper and have never had an issue :)
[16:18] <nixternal> man, the mirrors are getting hammered today
[16:19] <comm_a_nder> i had the full possible 1.5MB/s during dist-upgrade
[16:19] <nixternal> I am updating my chroot at a whopping 63k/s :)
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> heh... thats why I always grab the last beta before the final and use that for several weeks
[16:21] <nixternal> I have been running Hardy since the week the toolchain was updated, so about a week after the repos opened
[16:21] <nixternal> an in 2 months, I will be running intrepid :)
[16:21] <dinosaur-rus> ohhh... apt is going to eat extra 277 megabytes...
[16:23] <Riddell> its taken an hour just to update the meta packages
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> every release it gets worse.
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> or better ;-)
[16:27] <nixternal> damn, forgot to remove draft.mode in the docs
[16:28] <dinosaur-rus> nosrednaekim: in any case, it gets larger with each release...
[16:34] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/kubuntu-docs.debdiff
[16:34] <nixternal> that is some good crack!
[16:35] <nixternal> gotta keep an eye on that upload...because once it is up, gotta approve one of the translation files...and then I am going to push the translators to love us in hardy
[16:36]  * Riddell looks
[16:38] <Riddell> nixternal: uploaded
[16:38] <cheguevara_> i can ping Russian translation team if needed
[16:40] <nixternal> Riddell: you didn't even test my crack man :)  thanks!
[16:40] <nixternal> as long as the xml validates, it will build anyways
[16:41] <ScottK2> nixternal: No one reads documentation anyway.
[16:41] <nixternal> true
[16:41] <nixternal> except for the thousand or people who like to file bugs on them
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> not true...I use the kde docs all the time
[16:41] <nixternal> thousand or *so* people
[16:42]  * nixternal fears the doco for Intrepid
[16:43] <nixternal> hopefully this libakonadi transfer will go quick so I can build a new trunk
[16:44] <dinosaur-rus> am I the one who upgrades the system by doing something like "sed -i -e s/gutsy/hardy/g /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"? :)
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> dinosaur-rus: IDK, are you?
[16:44] <nixternal> that's how I have always done it...whether that is the preferred way or not, it has always worked for me, however doesn't mean it will work for everyone
[16:44] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: I dare say others do it too but its not recommended
[16:45] <dinosaur-rus> nosrednaekim: what's IDK?
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> dinosaur-rus: I don't know
[16:46] <nixternal> I Dig KDE :p
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: if you upgraded from dapper to hardy with that method, either its really good, or you are extremely lucky
[16:46] <nixternal> oh, that is death waiting to happen
[16:47] <nixternal> I did 'Dapper -> Edgy -> Feisty -> Gutsy -> Hardy'
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: well yeah...
[16:47] <nixternal> hrmm, I want to try that though
[16:47] <nixternal> haha
[16:48] <ScottK2> I did that Gutsy -> Hardy twice.  One happy ending and one sad.  The sad ending had software raid and it looks like initramfs got built with the wrong mix of bits for the Hardy kernel to believe it exists.
[16:50] <nixternal> ya, I had a RAID setup during Dapper and I remember the upgrade then killing my stuff
[16:52] <ScottK2> If you have md0, you really need to use the dist upgrade tool.
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> I hope everyone is smart this year and upgrades by torrenting the alternate installer disc and using that for the base packages...
[16:52] <dinosaur-rus> I'm using Kubuntu since Edgy beta and didn't have any serious problems with this method of upgrading
[16:53] <ScottK2> I never have on non-RAID systems.
[16:53] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: is strikes me that KDE 4.1 is missing a printing applet.  and we have a printing applet which works.  maybe the two should get together
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> like kjobviewer?
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> I haven't checked out the system-config-printer-applet yet
[16:54] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: well, system-config-printer-applet-kde to replace kjobviewer which never got ported to KDE 4
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> that'd be cool... :)
[16:55]  * nosrednaekim goes to check out how the applet works
[16:57] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it works most of the time but I suspect there's some situations where it breaks a bit, if you want to try printing and cancelling things with it running and check it works in all cases that would be good
[16:57]  * dinosaur-rus Stopping web server apache2... Segmentation fault
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> ok
[16:57] <jpatrick> dinosaur-rus: #ubuntu-server might know..
[16:58] <dinosaur-rus> jpatrick: Apache wasn't running :)
[16:58] <ScottK> dinosaur-rus: Then that would be a bug.  Please file it.
[16:59] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK: what should I write?
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: indeed, the job never gets removed from the viewer... i'll work on it :)
[17:06] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: great, thanks
[17:06] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I'm away for the next couple of days but a .nz chap turned up last night who wanted to help
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: nick?
[17:07] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: mobiusNZ Al
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> BBL..
[17:09] <dinosaur-rus> uh... all packages are updated, time to reboot... :)
[17:10]  * dinosaur-rus crosses fingers
[17:14] <dinosaur-rus> well, the upgrade is almost successful...
[17:18] <dinosaur-rus> hard drive device nodes are wrong -- my HDDs are treated as SCSI drives (/dev/sd*) while they're IDE, screwing up my mount points
[17:19] <ScottK2> dinosaur-rus: You should be mounting by UUID, not device name
[17:20] <ScottK2> That's an artifact of the new IDE driver
[17:22] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: the same thing happened once earlier and was fixed... and now again... regression?
[17:22] <ScottK2> I'm not sure what you mean.  IDE/SCSI device names shouldn't matter if your mount points are by UUID.
[17:23] <ScottK2> The device name changes are by design.
[17:25] <davmor2> Riddell: you about?
[17:27] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: I mean this bug with creating SCSI nodes for IDE drives appeared earlier and then was fixed. and now it's back
[17:27] <Riddell> davmor2: briefly
[17:27] <davmor2> Riddell: does kubuntu/kde4 not have support for Migration-Assistant yet?
[17:27] <Riddell> davmor2: not yet, Tm_T is going to do it as a summer project
[17:28] <davmor2> Riddell: Okay ta that's all I needed to know
[17:28] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: what's your e-mail?
[17:28] <Riddell> I'm going to propose we put s-c-printer into 4.1, at least the applet
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: nosrednaekim at gmail.com
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> cool :)
[17:29] <ScottK2> dinosaur-rus: It may or may not be there depending on the exact kernel you are running and the controller you are using, but in the long run the entire distinction is going away.  It'll be sdx everything.  If you are depending on device naming, what you're doing is broken by design.
[17:31] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: sent, I'm away for the next 48 hours so if people have questions on kde-core-devel or kde-print feel free to answer them
[17:31] <alleeHol> Riddell: ping, gwenview crashfix: https://launchpad.net/~allee/+archive
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: I'm not subscribed to them.... but I can.
[17:32] <alleeHol> Riddell: libkdcraw (new version) can you still upload them?  (need for kipi-plugins 0.1.5)
[17:32] <seaLne> is it worth filing a bug that a space has been removed from the sample ldap.conf in hardy compared to gutsy so you get prompted that it has changed?
[17:33] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: well, it seems that we have different views on how it (IDE vs. SCSI) should be done
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: should I subscribe to kde-print-devel? or just kde-print
[17:34] <alleeHol> As Riddell left,  and Tonio not here, how else can upload to main?  gwenview fix
[17:35] <ScottK2> dinosaur-rus: I'm telling you what the kernel developers have decided.  If you don't like it, take it up with them.  If you don't migrate to UUID, it will bring you tears.  You're welcome to them if you want them.  Good luck.
[17:37] <alleeHol> Oh, gwenview fix was uploaded to debian an hour ago.  So better a sync ...
[17:42] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: mm, is it possible to use IDs (as in /dev/disk/by-id) or only UUIDs (/dev/disk/by-uuid)?
[17:44] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: I'd prefer something more readable/understandable than those UUIDs
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> dinosaur-rus: yes,you can do it by ID
[17:53] <ScottK2> I cna understand they're pretty opaque, but it's the only ID you can count on to be stable.
[17:53] <ScottK2> cna/can
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> wow.... lots of hardy users coming through
[18:19]  * seaLne successfully dist-upgrades gutsy+3.5.9+4.0.2 to hardy :)
[18:25] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: should I just use "UUID=..." instead of "/dev/..." in fstab?
[18:25] <ScottK2> Yes.  Here's my swap entry for this laptop: UUID=4a756ea3-472d-43c3-81d7-3f76b91d7a2b none swap sw 0 0
[18:30] <dinosaur-rus> and what about USB storage devices? when HDD is hdX, they are treated as SCSI drive. but when HDD is using sdX nodes, what is used for flash drives?
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> dinosaur-rus: they are, and always have been sdx
[18:35] <dinosaur-rus> nosrednaekim: but for abvious reason there's no "stable" identifier like UUID for them. and if the hard drive returns to hdX my fstab will become broken again :\
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> dinosaur-rus: flash drives should be mounted dynamically, not from within in the fstab
[18:41] <dinosaur-rus> nosrednaekim: I couldn't get dynamic mounting to work so I created /media/flash mount point for /dev/sda1 node. but now it's used by the hard drive so I expect flash drive to get /dev/sdc1... but who knows what kernel developers will do...
[18:43] <dinosaur-rus> my approach isn't very good but it worked :)
[19:14] <nixternal> ...he’ll observe more findings than the monkey who just poops on the keyboard.
[19:15] <nixternal> gahahahahahahaha, I just wet myself laughing
[19:18] <\sh> nixternal: hmm?
[19:18] <nixternal> that was what seele said in her latest blog post...
[19:19]  * \sh has to catch up with all those blog postings
[19:19] <nixternal> hehe
[19:32] <seele> nixternal: have you cleaned yourself up? :)
[19:39] <seaLne> has anyone tried using digikam with a canon 350d etc type camera? since upgrading ti dosen't seem to want to connect for me
[19:39] <dinosaur-rus> ScottK2: I've fixed my fstab, thanks for your hints
[19:39] <ScottK2> dinosaur-rus: You're welcome.
[19:41] <dinosaur-rus> BTW, Qt 4 in Hardy seems to have some problems with font rendering (spacing between characters and hinting)
[19:43] <nixternal> seele: I knew you would make me the monkey! :p
[19:43] <nixternal> if (snow <= 7) shovel();
[19:44] <nixternal> :(
[19:44] <nixternal> back in about a week...we have way to much snow
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> its snowing? where!?
[19:44] <nixternal> chicago
[19:44] <nixternal> big time
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> but its SPRING!
[19:44] <nixternal> tell that to mother nature
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> wow... must be coming this way
[19:44] <nixternal> she must be on the sauce again
[19:44]  * nosrednaekim checks the radar
[19:44] <nixternal> we have about 7 inches right now
[19:44] <nixternal> and it is still snowing
[19:45] <nixternal> it was 50 yesterday, I drove to school with the windows down and the music blaring
[19:45] <nixternal> back in a bit...
[19:53] <ScottK2> Apparently the new HAL upload changes some function names (cheers for post-beta new upstreams that aren't actually tested).  See Bug #204768.  There are other packages that may be affected...
[19:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204768 in kde-guidance "[hardy] Latest HAL breaks guidance powermanager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204768
[19:53] <\sh> nice
[19:54] <\sh> who did that?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> ouch
[19:55] <kristjan_> d3lphin will be enabled by default in HH (kde3)?
[19:59] <\sh> apachelogger: I'm looking now into gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[20:01]  * gribelu votes +1 that gtk-qt-engine-kde4 should be revu'd
[20:03] <\sh> oh this weired looking debian/rules file...makes me nervous
[20:04] <\sh> just one include line and the other magic inside debian/cdbs/* it's weired ;)
[20:10] <\sh> apachelogger: approved :)
[20:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know where the config file for "gtk styles and fonts" kcm module?
[20:14] <_StefanS_> where it is, I mean.
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> Riddell is gone.... but let me find it :)
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: is this it? cat .kde/share/config/gtkrc
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> uhh.. wthout the cat :)
[20:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah found it
[20:17] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: thanks, but it dont seem like its the one
[20:18] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: its ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> ah, ok
[20:20] <Nookie> does anyone know where to get kubuntu logo in svg?
[20:24] <_StefanS_> Nookie: kde-look.org?
[20:24] <ScottK2> \sh: It was pitti.
[20:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is it okay if I commit textshadow and enable gtk2-qtcurve for k-d-s ?
[20:27] <kristjan_> Nookie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[20:27] <_StefanS_> kristjan_: thanks,  I didn't know that url ;)
[20:27] <Nookie> kristjan_: thanx
[20:29] <jjesse> what package do i need to install for system settings kde4 to work, isn't it python-dev on hardy?
[20:30] <jpatrick> jjesse: any error?
[20:30] <jjesse> The shared library was not found. library not found
[20:30] <jjesse> i seem to remember every time i install a dev release i have to install a python library
[20:31] <jpatrick> jjesse: run it from the command line
[20:32] <jjesse> jpatrick: this is on kde4 if that matters
[20:32] <jjesse> QMetaObject::indexOfSignal:KPageDialog: Conflict with KDialog::close()
[20:32] <jjesse> hrmm thats different then what i was seeing on kde3 during alpha stage
[20:33] <jpatrick> right... no idea what module it needs..
[20:34] <kristjan_> jjesse: where was one missing dependency, that made konqueror "less configurable" in alpha6 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/196520 (but I doubt this is related to your problem)
[20:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196520 in kdebase-kde4 "[KDE 4] Konqueror is not configurable" [Medium,In progress]
[20:35] <jjesse> hrmm kdebase-bin-kde4 was not found in my install
[20:36] <jjesse> wonder if it will fix it
[20:36] <jjesse> that's what the bug mentions
[20:36] <jjesse> yup that fixed it
[20:36] <jjesse> commenting on bug
[20:36] <kristjan_> jjesse: this is beta fresh install?
[20:37] <jjesse> kristjan_: yes fresh install of beta
[20:37] <ScottK2> slangesek just fixed hal, so we can, I think, unpanic about whatever got broken by this morning's upload.
[20:37] <jjesse> yay for slangesek
[20:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just commited it, revert if you need to.
[20:38] <_StefanS_> gotta run.
[20:39] <kristjan_> jjesse: I think it's worth mentioning it @release announcement - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Beta/Kubuntu - alongside the "microsoft" bug ;-)
[20:39] <jjesse> kristjan_: thanks alsom commenting on the bug
[20:39] <kristjan_> under "Current Issues or Bugs"
[20:45] <jjesse> now just to remember what i did for sharing :)
[20:52] <jjesse> i love that line, the monkey that poops on the keyboard
[20:52] <jjesse> crying i'm laughing so hard
[20:52] <ScottK2> I want that monkey.  I know who I'd give it to as a present.
[20:53] <\sh> sounds like the monkey from one of the futurama episodes
[20:56] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[21:06] <dinosaur-rus> damn, I can't use menus in Adept's "details" window
[21:07] <coreymon77> that is why i use apt
[21:07] <coreymon77> i dont trust adept
[21:07] <dinosaur-rus> now package removal process is frozen at 98% :\
[21:12] <dinosaur-rus> coreymon77: I prefer apt for most tasks too, but Adept is easier when you want to view the list of packages with their descriptions and remove unneeded ones in one go
[22:12] <awen_> Riddell: I've made the helper for kde-guidance; you can find the debdiff here http://awen.dk/packages/gpmhelper/ together with the debdiff for kdeutils so that kmilo no longer executes the dcop calls... the i386 .deb files from my pbuilder is in each of the folders, if you want a quick test
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> awen_: Riddell is away for a few days
[22:13] <nixternal> come on, who said he could take a vacation this weekend?
[22:14] <awen_> nosrednaekim: okay... so i shouldn't expect an answer soonish
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> no
[22:14] <awen_> if anyone help want's to test their brightness buttons (together with suspend/hibernate)?
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: oh.. back from the cold wintery outside?
[22:15] <jpatrick> awen_: /whois him
[22:15] <nixternal> ya, man that sucked
[22:15] <nixternal> that snow was wet and heavy
[22:15]  * nosrednaekim can't wait for it to get here tonight..
[22:15] <nixternal> I did my driveway, and then both of my neighbors driveways
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> I probably won't have to shovel anything cause no-one needs to go anywhere for a few days :)
[22:15] <nixternal> now it is raining/icing/sleeting/snowing
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> that was nice of you
[22:17] <awen_> if someone is on a laptop, i would be very grateful to have the above packages tested
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> awen_: hardy?
[22:17] <jpatrick> anyone want to help me clear old bans in #kubuntu?
[22:17] <awen_> nosrednaekim: yes
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> awen_: ah, sorry, can't test then
[22:18] <awen_> nobody (including me) seems to be able to find out who eats the brightness-up events ... the above is a patch to g-p-m to start a helper function that receives the button events directly from hal using dbus
[22:19] <awen_> nosrednaekim: okay... no problem
[22:19] <ScottK> awen_: You shouldn't do any testing until you have the latest (ubuntu2) hal.  This morning's upload broke a lot of stuf, gpm included.
[22:19] <nixternal> jpatrick: you have a list of the old bans?
[22:19] <jpatrick> nixternal: /bans
[22:19] <nixternal> damnit
[22:19] <nixternal> I just did that, didn't want to though
[22:19] <nixternal> haha
[22:20] <nixternal> where do you want me to start?
[22:20] <jpatrick> nixternal: being going though them and the bantracker most of the evening
[22:20] <awen_> ScottK: okay, that's bad :(
[22:20] <nixternal> %btlogin
[22:20] <jpatrick> with @
[22:20] <nixternal> @btlogin
[22:21] <nixternal> ya, can never remember which to use
[22:24] <ScottK> awen_: The good news it's fixed the same day it's broken
[22:25] <awen_> ScottK: yeah... can see that *ubuntu1 still is the newest one, so /me won't upgrade his laptop now
[22:26] <ScottK> ubuntu2 is built, so it's just a matter of mirror propagation
[22:26] <awen_> ScottK: okay... sounds good
[22:27] <awen_> ScottK: right now I'm testing against 0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu2 ... but hopefully the 0.5.11~rc2 interface is mostly similar, but I'll do the tests again when it arrives
[22:28] <ScottK> If it's not compatible, since we're post beta, I call it a hal bug.
[22:30] <awen_> ScottK: I agree... but if it is an upstream changed interface, we'll probably end up patching anyway; but let's hope everything works like a charm with the ubuntu2 :)
[22:40] <nixternal> OK, #kubuntu is cleaned up and once again all friendly looking :)
[22:40] <nixternal> it is only a matter of time before stdin fills up the ban list :p
[22:40] <jpatrick> hahaha
[22:41] <nixternal> was not ever ban tied to either stdin or LjL?
[22:41] <nixternal> they had Hobbsee beat :p
[22:41] <nixternal> man, I know that is going to get me in trouble in some channel now
[22:42] <jpatrick> all Seveas' fault for suggesting a oooh-pretty-command
[22:43] <jpatrick> nixternal: do you have auto_bleh.pl?
[22:43] <nixternal> ya
[22:43] <jpatrick> good :)
[22:44] <awen_> what is the preferred method for a dapper -> hardy upgrade?
[22:46] <nixternal> pray?
[22:47] <awen_> nixternal: yeah ...
[22:47] <jussio1> backup, format dapper, install hardy? :P :P
[22:47] <awen_> I'm going to test it in a VM ... but wondered what the "preferred" method would end up being
[22:48] <awen_> eg. what method should I test :)
[22:48] <ScottK> awen_: The upgrade-manager (or whatever it's called) is the only way that has a hope of working.
[22:49] <awen_> ScottK: can you tell it to upgrade to hardy?
[22:49] <jussio1> awen_: in topic of #ubuntu+1 has something
[22:49] <ScottK> awen_: I haven't tried it.  I don't know if you can, but you will be able to.
[22:50]  * awen_ reading...
[22:52] <awen_> hmm... not really anything about kubuntu; nothing to do but to try it out
[22:55] <ScottK2> awen_: Since Kubuntu Hardy is not LTS, dapper -> hardy is not officially supported for Kubuntu.  Working on making it work would be a good thing however.
[22:55] <awen_> ScottK2: exactly my thought
[22:56]  * awen_ issues "qemu-img create -b dapper.img -f qcow2 dapper.ovl" ... this will probably save me a lot of dapper installs
[23:22] <awen_> install upgrade-manager from dapper-proposed, and "upgrade-manager -d" will offer you an upgrade to 8.04 ... if anyone else wants to test
[23:23] <coreymon77> thats quite the upgrade
[23:23] <coreymon77> dapper to hardy
[23:23] <coreymon77> ScottK2: wait a sec, upgrades arent supported other than from lts to lts?
[23:24] <awen_> coreymon77: we know :) ... but a number of people will probably try it, so better test it
[23:25] <ScottK2> coreymon77: For direct upgrades release to release are supported.  If you want to skip releases, it's only lts - lts
[23:25] <coreymon77> oh
[23:28] <ScottK2> I know for a fact that dapper skipping edgy without using the upgrad tool will lead to tears.
[23:28] <ScottK2> I've done dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy and it's worked fine.
[23:29] <awen_> ScottK2: as in one continous operation?
[23:33] <ScottK2> One after another.
[23:33] <ScottK2> I did reboot in between
[23:34] <awen_> ScottK2: okay... should also work; my install started as edgy a while back
[23:35] <ScottK2> yeah.
[23:37] <awen_> in newer versions "aptitude dist-upgrade" actually does a good job
[23:37] <ScottK2> twitch
[23:37]  * ScottK2 is not an aptitude fan
[23:40]  * awen_ has been an aptitude fan lately ... it's console interface is your best friend in keeping your system neat, and for debugging dependency-problems