[00:00] <Unit193> Ah, yeah.
[00:01] <malaphus> kill(handler_context->lxsession_pid, SIGTERM); in the logout_clicked function, guess thats easy enough
[00:01] <malaphus> pkill -SIGTERM lxsession!
[00:02] <malaphus> having forethough, I should probably have Zenity also show a little reminder telling the user to clean up their station before leaving for the day as well, heh
[01:51] <devilboy> hi
[01:52] <ubulove> holstein, lubuntu runs perfectly on my system ;P
[02:14] <holstein> devilboy: congratulations!
[02:14] <devilboy> holstein: thank you for your help !
[02:14] <devilboy> holstein: now am searching for themes if you know any site except gnome-look.org :P
[02:14] <holstein> devilboy: anytime
[02:15] <holstein> devilboy: i just use the repos.. though, if i want something with asthetics, i usually dont use LXDE
[02:15] <devilboy> holstein: themes won't work good on lxde ?
[02:15] <holstein> devilboy: they work fine
[02:16] <holstein> devilboy: you likely wont find many.. most folks use LXDE becuase its light
[02:16] <devilboy> holstein: LXDE is a theme ?
[02:17] <holstein> devilboy: lxde is the DE.. the destkop environment.. the "l" in lubuntu is lxde.. lxde+ubuntu
[02:17] <holstein> !lubuntu
[02:17] <devilboy> holstein: thanks for the info cuz i got confused a bit ;p
[02:18] <devilboy> holstein: lxde stays whatever themes i install right ?
[02:18] <devilboy> holstein: lxde it's the gravel (let's say) right?
[02:19] <holstein> devilboy: sure.. its your desktop environment
[02:19] <devilboy> holstein: good :P now am clear.
[02:21] <devilboy> it's ok to sit here even if i dont ask anything?
[03:57] <cerebrate> hi len
[03:58] <len> Hello Cerebrate
[12:38] <anil> whats the easiest way to share files between to Lubuntu computers?
[18:21] <Vivekananda> hey
[18:21] <Vivekananda> anyone here
[18:22] <zleap> sort of
[18:39] <cerebrate> ol


[00:53] <nickrud_> Jack_Sparrow, how do you handle your address book?
[01:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi. I dont have many names in there..  bit there was a way to add them without typing them.  It just pulled them off your received  emails.
[01:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Under tools you can export your address book and send it to yourself.. but I assume you mean something that will update both home and office automatically
[01:32] <Flannel> Hi Fuckologist, how can we help you?
[01:32] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[01:33] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[01:34] <Flannel> He's just banned due to a blanket ban on his nick
[01:34] <Jack_Sparrow> ah
[01:35] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, I'm thinking more about cross client/cross machine
[01:35] <Jack_Sparrow> I have thunderbird under windows at the office and under ubuntu at home
[01:55] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, likewise: but syncing other than emails
[01:59] <_Andrew> Hi
 Please join #ubuntu-ops
[01:59] <_Andrew> Any reason?
[02:00] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, an you explain to andrew why this would be offtopic He does not seem to understand <_Andrew> Jack_Sparrow: I'm not a bot, commands don't work on human  <_Andrew> ubunto bot is wrong, you can't shout over the internet <_Andrew> So silly
[02:01] <nickrud> hi _Andrew
[02:01] <_Andrew> Jack, I made a silly comment and have spent most my time trying to help people. I'm done with it so I don't understand why you continue to pm me
[02:01] <_Andrew> I'm sure most of you are in #ubuntu and can judge for yourself, there's no need to tell me to come here so you can pick up me.
[02:01] <nickrud> _Andrew, probably a matter of due diligence on his part, so that you and he don't end up at loggerheads. Jack normally tries to reach an understanding
[02:02] <_Andrew> pick on**
[02:03] <nickrud> _Andrew, when scrolling is slow, we're a lot looser about chat in #u, but when it's really rolling like now we work hard at keeping the channel on topic
[02:03] <nickrud> _Andrew, it just gets overwhelming for people that aren't used to it, and we see a lot of them there. We also want them to be successful there. So he wasn't really picking on you
[02:04] <Jack_Sparrow> caps have always been considered yelling
[02:04] <_Andrew> So this is about you disagreeing with me? lol
[02:04] <nickrud> there's that also.
[02:05] <nickrud> CAPs == shouting in irc culture
[02:05] <Flannel> _Andrew: It's about keeping the channel usable.
[02:05] <_Andrew> I was just joking, you've taken it too serious and overreacted
[02:05] <Flannel> _Andrew: With 1500 people in the channel, unfortunately we don't have the leeway for jokes that other channels may.
[02:05] <nickrud> _Andrew, so it's more of a misunderstanding and you not realizing just how tight we are in that channel sometimes.
[02:05] <Flannel> We do, however, have #ubuntu-offtopic, for joking.
[02:06] <nickrud> _Andrew, so anyway, go have fun. When the channel is empty of talkers, jokes fill the void
[02:13] <_Andrew> So silly, but since you're the gate keepers and group up on me there's nothing I can do about it anyway, so there's no point me being here..
[02:13] <_Andrew> If you need me you can pm
[04:27] <nickrud> @btlogin
[04:51] <Flannel> How long has that guy been going on about his passwords being guessed?
[04:51] <Flannel> I could swear I heard it earlier ... like three hours ago
[04:52] <Flannel> I guess not.
[04:52] <nickrud> he's mentioned it twice now that I've seen
[04:52] <nickrud> ended up banning someone over it. I'll ask him to discuss it on offtopic
[04:54] <Flannel> Who was banned?
[04:54] <nickrud> robf
[04:54] <nickrud> basically for being a jerk more than anything
[04:54] <Flannel> Mmm, yeah, I see it.
[04:55] <tritium> Flannel: how was the first day of class?
[04:55] <Flannel> well, tmg is rather trollish, even if he's purely nescient and not a troll.
[04:55] <nickrud> yeah, but he quits :)
[04:55] <Flannel> tritium: Good.  Senior Design Project.  Not a whole lot of class yet.  I'm... sort of antsy.
[04:55] <tritium> Flannel: I can understand.
[04:56] <Flannel> tritium: I've already read the first chapter of all of my books... professors are taking their time posting stuffs to the interblags.
[04:57] <Flannel> Starting on a Thursday is the stupidest thing in the world.
[04:57] <tritium> Flannel: sounds like you're quite a go-getter!
[04:58] <Flannel> Only because I know that my freetime quickly approaches zero as the semester gets into full swing.  So the more I can do now, the easier the whole thing is.
[04:58] <tritium> Yep.
[04:59] <tritium> Although, for some reason, I found that I had more time in grad school than I do now.
[05:02] <Flannel> Once this semesters over... I'm... going to have so much free time I'm not going to know what to do with myself.
[05:03] <tritium> That's what I thought...
[05:03] <Flannel> Yeah, but a job will only be like 60 hours a week tops.
[05:04] <tritium> That's also what I thought ;)
[05:04]  * nickrud looks around, and thinks some people are tainted by workaholism
[05:04] <Flannel> Well, I'm shooting for a 40-er, but I'll settle for one that does the whole 60 thing.  Won't go more though, since I have oodles of projects that have been sitting around forever.
[05:04] <Flannel> nickrud: Nah, engineering.
[05:05] <tritium> Flannel: look for one that doesn't require too much business travel.
[05:05] <Flannel> nickrud: I do lots of non-school stuffs in my 'spare' time right now.
[05:05]  * bluesmoke wants an 80/9 job
[05:05] <tritium> That was the big killer for me.
[05:05]  * tritium works the 9/80 schedule, and has tomorrow off.
[05:05] <Flannel> bluesmoke: My job right now does 4/10s  Its nice.
[05:05] <nickrud> Flannel, that's your hobby/entertainment whatever, not your job.  That was probably 100+ all told
[05:06] <Flannel> nickrud: Many of those non school thigns are related to school (three of them), once I graduate, I'll only have two and a half (the sport I coach is only in the spring).
[05:07] <nickrud> Flannel, when do you find time for dating?
[05:07] <Flannel> nickrud: My job will be the same as my hobby/entertainment thing, so I'm all set.
[05:07] <bluesmoke> Since there is no chance for an 80/9 I'll settle for an 80/8 though
[05:08] <bluesmoke> We're going to be able to change shifts soon, I'm hoping to get one Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday
[05:08] <bluesmoke> A friend of mine had that schedule and he quit so I know they have one available
[05:08] <Flannel> nickrud: Well, currently I'm between.  (Or at least, currently I'm single, theoretically it's between)  But I've had plenty of relationships and... you just make time.
[05:08] <nickrud> Flannel, theoretically :)
[05:09] <nickrud> I shouldn't be teasing, I did the same -- lotta hours for a long time. Fun and productive, I guess I'm just older now.
[05:11] <Flannel> I'll be doing somethign I enjoy (actually, not right away.  First few years are work and find out what I want to go to grad school for), so that may be "I like this" jobs or "I don't like this" jobs.
[05:11] <Flannel> although I won't really know until I'm in them for a few months.  Luckily I've narrowed it down to about four subfields or so.  Some of them overlap.
[05:12]  * tritium wishes there was linux when he was in high school
[05:12] <tritium> Although, I'm sure I still would have gone into E.E.
[05:12]  * nickrud wishes there were computers smaller than rooms when he was in high school
[05:12] <tritium> heh
[05:13] <Flannel> That's a new floodbot trick.
[05:13] <nickrud> there were, but not many. Just those effete college grad students and professors had them
[06:22]  * Flannel wonders why some people refuse to not give their own commentary on solutions
[06:39] <nickrud> I'd swear this u5 dude was mneptok
[06:42] <nickrud> not as entertaining
[07:20] <nickrud> this jim_p guy just dropped in to ask a kernel question, and got swamped :)
[07:22] <Flannel> If skg keeps it up for much longer, we ought to forward him to f-y-c
[07:22] <nickrud> skg?
[07:22] <Flannel> SkG and [SkG]
[07:22] <nickrud> ah, I see him now
[07:23] <nickrud> well, I'm for bed, do what you think best
[07:26] <Flannel> !generic
[07:26] <Flannel> nickrud: Is that the same thread of
[07:26] <Flannel> Mmm, so it is.
[07:26] <Flannel> nickrud: no, no, we have a forward!
[07:26] <nickrud> hah. I had to go find that!
[07:26] <nickrud> Flannel, ah, I'll remove, show me
[07:26] <Flannel> Ii... just have to go look up the channel each time
[07:27] <Flannel> ##fix_your_connection
[07:27] <ubot2> Flannel: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:27] <Flannel> Sorry ubot2.  I love you anyway though.
[07:27] <Flannel> nickrud: Easiest way is to just remove the ban, we'll wait for him to return, then I'll forward him with my client
[07:27]  * Flannel is lazy
[07:27] <nickrud> removed
[07:28] <nickrud> I had to go search up that thread, didn't know it was a factoid. Read it a long time ago so I knew it existed, somewhere
[07:29] <nickrud> hm, emma is in f-y-c
[07:29] <Flannel> from forums
[07:30] <Flannel> Done
[07:31] <nickrud> did you use chanserv.py?
[07:31] <Flannel> I use... the irssi one
[07:31] <nickrud> or are you one of the litest, ah. of course
[07:32] <nickrud> ok, really off to bed. See you later
[07:32] <Flannel> but, when I have to do it manually, I just copy the format form ubottu ;)
[07:32] <Flannel> night
[09:33] <Myrtti> morning...
[09:33] <jpds> Morning Myrtti.
[09:33] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[09:34] <jussi01> hi Myrtti
[09:50] <Myrtti> Ongavezir on #xubuntu
[09:51] <bazhang> again?
[09:52] <bazhang> 'tuxkillah'
[09:54] <Myrtti> yup
[09:54] <bazhang> well he does not care if he is banned: via PM he claims to be banned in over 55 channels on freenode
 This is a new Guinness record
[09:59] <bazhang> ubuntu ultimate theme pack?
[09:59] <Myrtti> now he's in pm with me, I'm not going to answer him
[09:59] <bazhang> I've got him in PM as well
[10:04] <bazhang> * [Xae8koo] (i=d5a1bee4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1172ae0b1205d124): <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:05] <bazhang> from a few days ago claiming the 'evil man' broke his/her machine
[10:05] <bazhang> ie from a command in #ubuntu
[10:07] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, cupe^ said: !cupe is awesome
[11:15] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[13:47] <Tm_T> Myrtti: IA!
[13:48] <Myrtti> IA!
[13:48] <Myrtti> Tm_T: ponggggg
[13:49] <Tm_T> Myrtti: how are you?
[13:50] <Myrtti> a bit stressed, should do the dishes and pack up some things before heading south coast
[13:50] <Tm_T> ah
[14:00] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[14:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[14:28]  * genii brews a fresh batch of coffee
[16:11]  * genii hands Jack_Sparrow a large coffee
[16:25] <jpds> stdin: Can you look into http://paste.ubuntu.com/108627/ when you have the time? For some reason "/msg ubot5 info figlet" works, but not for ubot2.
[17:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[17:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[18:10] <Grant-A> hello
[18:10] <Grant-A> I would like to make a complaint about an op in #ubuntuforums
[18:11] <Grant-A> Well, two actually
[18:11] <Grant-A> I was in #ubuntuforums when I was talking about global warming to P Quarrels
[18:11] <Grant-A> well, I said no derogatory or inflammatory comments
[18:12] <Grant-A> when I got the the point where I stumped him, he insulted me by telling me to "read a book sometime" and then he called me a troll and told everyone to annoy me
[18:13] <Grant-A> later a user in the channel, TheWizord, said he was banned from one channel for saying "A word beginning with a C and ending with a T"
[18:13] <Grant-A> I naturally wanted to know what word, and I guessed the word, it was the C word.
[18:13] <Grant-A> Well, I said this word and Joeb banned me with a message "Watch your mouth next time"
[18:14] <Grant-A> This is a clear violation of the operator guidelines
[18:14] <jussi01> Grant-A: when was this?
[18:14] <Grant-A> as this was my first time cussing, and I never recieved my fair warning
[18:14] <Grant-A> jussi01: Yesterday at around 10:00PM
[18:14] <Seeker`> Grant-A: Wait, so someone said a word and was banned for it, and then you tried to guess the word and said in in the channel
[18:14] <Grant-A> yes
[18:14] <Grant-A> and Joeb banned me for saying it
[18:14] <Seeker`> knowing that if you got it right, you would be saying a word that got someone else banned?
[18:15] <Grant-A> it was not directed towards anyone at all
[18:15] <Grant-A> Seeker`: It was in a non-ubuntu channel where he got banned
[18:15] <Grant-A> I recieved no warning of a ban, or anything
[18:15] <Grant-A> he just went and banned me
[18:15] <jussi01> Grant-A: tz please?
[18:15] <Grant-A> tz?
[18:15] <Seeker`> timezone
[18:15] <Seeker`> given that is usually considered the most offensive word in the english language, i'm not surprised
[18:16] <Grant-A> Central Standard Time, United States
[18:16] <Grant-A> yes, but it was never said towards anyone
[18:16] <Grant-A> I just think that P_Quarrels getting away with insulting me and then I get banned is a bit off
[18:17] <Grant-A> especially for saying one word, one time, with it directed at no one.
[18:17] <Seeker`> we get people in the channels young enough to not know that word
[18:18] <Grant-A> Yes, but no one was active in there under the age of 15
[18:18] <Grant-A> Still, the Operator guidelines say this:
[18:19] <Grant-A> # Swearing/offtopic: warn
[18:19] <Grant-A> # Repeated swearing/offtopic: kick
[18:19] <Grant-A> # Swearing before saying anything else: ban, clear troll
[18:19] <Grant-A> he immediately jumped the the last one
[18:19] <Grant-A> and P_Quarrels was in violation of this:
[18:19] <Grant-A> Personal attacks against people: ban
[18:19] <Grant-A> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[18:20] <Grant-A> I just think that banning me for the first time I cussed is a little bit overreactive
[18:20] <Grant-A> I could understand a kick, but a ban?
[18:21] <Seeker`> ok, please note that they are guidelines, and that if an operator feels that a situation warrents a ban, that is their decision
[18:21] <jussi01> Grant-A: have you talked to the operator in question? thats usually the first point of call
[18:21] <Grant-A> Yes, but they never responded, although Joeb commented on it
[18:22] <Grant-A> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6600660&postcount=1
[18:23] <Grant-A> And if the guidelines are simply 'guidelines' and not rules, that means that any user can do whatever they want
[18:23] <Grant-A> Why can the moderators break the rules, but we can't?
[18:23] <Grant-A> U.S. Constitution: "No man is above the law"
[18:25] <Seeker`> Grant-A: just looked at your post, I believe that your interpretation of the forum rules is wrong
[18:25] <Grant-A> Seeker`: Either way, the Operator Guidelines forbode it
[18:25] <Seeker`> Profanity: Remember that the forums are used by people of all age groups and of all tolerance levels regarding profanity usage. When in the support areas of the forum, please try to keep your language polite and courteous and refrain from the usage of profanities. In the Cafe, mild profanity/swearing is permitted in the context of general speech. Explicit profanity/swearing is not allowed, and under no circumstances will we allow any profa
[18:26] <Seeker`> That states that "Explict profanity/swearing is not allowed"
[18:26] <Grant-A> right, but as Matthew said, the forums have no jurisdiction there, and the irc operator guidelines and user guidelines are the rules here
[18:26] <Grant-A> Operators are users, are they not? Obviously P-Quarrels should get his just deserts.
[18:27] <Grant-A> *desserts
[18:27] <jussi01> Grant-A: no, not obviously. Now, you were banned by joeb, correct?
[18:27] <Grant-A> jussi01: Yes, but P_Quarrels was the one who abused me
[18:27] <Grant-A> All I ask for at the least is for the ban to be lifted
[18:28] <Grant-A> Banning people with no fair warning? How fair is that?
[18:28] <Seeker`> Grant-A: there are two seperate issues here
[18:28] <Seeker`> Grant-A: dont lump them both together
[18:28] <Grant-A> ok
[18:28] <jussi01> Grant-A: you need to make a PM to joeb firstly and talk to him about the situation. then, if you get no joy, follow it up the chain.
[18:28] <Grant-A> ok
[18:28] <Grant-A> I will try that
[18:30] <jussi01> Grant-A: please part here, go follow that up and if you have further complaints then come back to us.
[18:31] <jussi01> !idle | Grant-A
[18:31] <Grant-A> ok
[18:31] <Grant-A> thank you for your help :)
[18:31] <Grant-A> bye~
[19:21] <Seeker`> :O
[19:21] <Seeker`> Hide!
[19:24] <Gary> Oh goodness
[19:31] <cdenny> hello
[19:31] <cdenny> i am supposed to be unbanned or something
[19:33] <cdenny> um hello?
[19:33] <cdenny> so yea, im banned from the #ubuntu channel
[19:33] <cdenny> and some fox guy told me to come here after one day
[19:34] <cdenny> and its been four
[19:35] <cdenny> this is awesome
[19:35] <cdenny> I bet your all eating right now ;/
[19:36] <cdenny> alright, ill just leave this window open for a while, so thanks for unbanning me
[19:49] <Gary> @login
[19:49] <Gary> @btlogin
[19:52] <stdin> jpds: I think that's fixed in the latest revision, it was caused by a localized description field. ie: Description-en_GB: Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters
[19:54] <stdin> the fix is to do "os.environ['LANG'] = 'C'" or to change "maxp['Description']" to "maxp['Description-en_GB']". (I did the 1st in the fix)
[20:11] <Seeker`> nalioth: mootbot has departed againr
[20:22] <nalioth> Seeker`: yes, the host it runs on is suffering from a cut cable and none of the other boxes i have access to will run it (for some strange reason)
[20:22] <Seeker`> ok
[20:22] <nalioth> i am staying on top of it
[20:22] <Seeker`> thanks :)
[20:43] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[20:43] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[20:46] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #ubuntu lokpest Calling our release Hairy Hard.. in channel, wtf in PM refusing to read the coc  says he would never use that gnome sxxx and calling the ops <lokpest> fascist
[21:01] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: sounds lovely :)
[21:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Such a nice fellow..
[21:08] <jpds> stdin: Aha! Neat.
[21:10] <nickrud_> @btlogin
[21:10] <nickrud_> @login
[21:10] <nickrud> @btlogin
[21:17] <cdenny> can someone unban me from #ubuntu
[21:17] <cdenny> !unban
[21:17] <cdenny> !banned
[21:18] <cdenny> !unbanned
[21:18] <nickrud> cdenny, patience
[21:18] <cdenny> cool someones here
[21:19] <Jack_Sparrow> cdenny .. This sound right to you  .. Says he is bored and trolling because his Vista install keeps freezing
[21:19] <cdenny> lol, yea
[21:20] <cdenny> happy to say that Im running ubuntu studio though. and liking it!
[21:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Can we assume you have fixed your copy of Vista and/or wont be trolling
[21:21] <cdenny> i reinstalled vista, and thats working pretty good too
[21:21] <cdenny> oh hey its you
[21:21] <cdenny> yea, things are finally working!
[21:21] <Jack_Sparrow> np, You are free to rejoin
[21:21] <cdenny> thank you
[21:22] <Jack_Sparrow> If that is all, please /part       thanks
[21:22] <cdenny> ok
[21:41] <bazhang> Grant-A's side of the story was not quite accurate, fwiw
[21:43] <bazhang> pastebin available if needed
[21:46] <nickrud> bazhang, you mean a user gave a slanted story?  I thought I had free speech
[21:49] <bazhang> haha
[21:53] <Seeker`> he was quoting guidelines
[21:53] <Seeker`> I pointed out that they were just guidelines, not hard and fast rules
[21:53] <Seeker`> he -20:23:09- :Grant-A : And if the guidelines are simply 'guidelines' and not rules, that means that any user can do whatever they want
[21:53] <Seeker`> technically, yes, a user can do whatever they want
[21:54] <Seeker`> they shouldn't be surprised if they get banned for it though
[22:24] <bazhang> yep
[22:24] <bazhang> especially when they are trolling to start out with
[22:50] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[22:50] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[22:53] <Mez> @lag
[22:59] <nickrud> long


[04:54] <cjohnston> newz2000: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+question/103031   - iPhone 1, Android 0
[21:31] <Kangarooo> whats with wiki? internal server errors. im getting them for last 30min. server orverloaded?
[21:43] <mpt> Kangarooo, probably thousands of people trying to load https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[21:43] <mpt> Ng!
[21:43] <mpt> More power to the forward thrusters
[21:45] <Ng> why are people hitting that page?
[21:45] <mpt> Ng, because it was announced only an hour or two ago
[21:45] <Kangarooo> becouse branding is a buzz word of century :)
[21:45] <mpt> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntu/ is one reason
[21:46] <Kangarooo> i found about it in one blog post witch was anounced in #xubuntu
[21:46] <mpt> http://twitter.com/ubuntudesigners/status/9940366205 is my fault
[21:47] <Ng> mpt: I don't think there's anything that can be done immediately. I thought it was on www.ubuntu.com
[21:47] <mpt> and the page has a pile of images, which probably isn't helping


[01:46] <nictuku> hmm shouldn't ubuntu-server appear in http://lists.ubuntu.com ?
[04:39] <psi_force> if ubuntu-server and ubuntu share the same repositories and installer, what is the purpose other then a specialised kernel package?
[05:14] <psi_force> if ubuntu-server and ubuntu share the same repositories and installer, what is the purpose other then a specialised kernel package?
[11:44] <Bluekuja> hello to all
[11:45] <Bluekuja> i was testing the flight 6 release
[11:45] <Bluekuja> and i get an error during the installation
[11:45] <Bluekuja> it tells me that kernel modules cant be found
[11:46] <neuralis> Bluekuja: have you ran the 'check CD integrity' option?
[11:46] <Bluekuja> yes
[11:46] <Bluekuja> all ok
[11:46] <Bluekuja> i continued
[11:46] <Bluekuja> that point
[11:47] <Bluekuja> and i went to disk partition
[11:47] <Bluekuja> its loading the bar from about 10 minutes
[11:47] <Bluekuja> calculating space
[11:47] <Bluekuja> and then restart again
[11:50] <neuralis> hmm. i haven't tested flight6 yet, so i don't know what's the story with that; it'd be good if you could post a summary of your problem (and any relevant error messages) to the ML
[11:50] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[11:50] <neuralis> Bluekuja: thanks
[11:51] <Bluekuja> np ;)
[11:53] <spike> bah, what could cause ssh to ask me again about " authenticity of host" if I already connected to that host once? but indeed it's not in .ssh/known_host
[11:54] <neuralis> spike: if you're connecting by ip or an alias, it'll still ask (until those are also in known_hosts).
[11:54] <spike> only thing I can think of is, because of it being a vmware image I use sporadically, that something else got the same ip and the 2 conflicted...
[11:54] <spike> neuralis: yeah, knew about that, but I've tried all of them just in case
[11:54] <spike> ip, hostname, fqdn
[11:55] <spike> since they added that patch to stop hostname harvesting it's not very easy to read known_hosts :/
[11:56] <neuralis> more problematically, it's non-trivial to use hostnames from known_hosts in shell autocompletion.
[11:56] <neuralis> grumble.
[11:57] <spike> and no, no MITM or whatever, src and dst are safe pcs
[11:57] <spike> and I can verify the key manually, so I'm connecting to the right host etc (both local to me)
[12:04] <Bluekuja> done
[12:06] <Bluekuja> aww
[12:06] <Bluekuja> cant complete disk partitioning
[05:19] <mon> hi
[05:19] <mon> im reinstalling my server. i just finished partitioning but the installer won't continue to the base installation
[05:20] <mon> how can i find out why it doesn't go on?
[05:20] <Bluekuja> flight 6?
[05:20] <mon> breezy
[05:20] <spike> anyody familiar with hd encryption?
[05:20] <Bluekuja> nope sorry :)
[05:20] <spike> I cant workout if dm-crypt is still unsafe compared to loop-aes
[05:20] <spike> considering the new cryptoloop stuff and LUKS
[05:21] <Bluekuja> im not familiar to hd encryp maybe mon yes
[05:21] <Bluekuja> but i dont think so :)
[05:22] <mon> nope never got into that stuff
[05:22] <mon> maybe i will if i get a new laptop sometime
[07:15] <neuralis> spike: actually, loop-aes had its fair share of problems with weak keys, etc
[07:15] <neuralis> spike: afaik, dm-crypt is fine nowadays.
[07:38] <spike> neuralis: k, ta
[07:38] <spike> neuralis: you using dm-crypt with LUKS?
[09:22] <neuralis> spike: yes, i use it
[09:24] <spike> neuralis: nice, how's it? any chance you've tried to compatibility with freeofte?
[09:25] <spike> neuralis: and one thing more, ever reviewed truecrypt?
[09:28] <neuralis> spike: freeofte should just work; i don't have windows installed, so i've never had reason to try it.
[09:29] <spike> and one more thing, even if I guess it's a bit more rh centric, yet *very* interesting
[09:29] <spike> neuralis: ever played with systemtap/frysk?
[09:30] <neuralis> they're neat toys
[09:30] <neuralis> still under very heavy development, though
[09:31] <Meyer> neuralis, heard you played a trick on OgMaciel at the LinuxWorld.. ;p lol
[09:32] <neuralis> Meyer: how'd you hear that? >:)
[09:32] <Meyer> he told me
[09:32] <Meyer> :)
[09:32] <Meyer> and he put in his blog that goes to the brazilian planet :P
[09:33] <spike> hi Meyer , iirc you and nictuku are behind nwu, right? would you mind a bit of chat about it?
[09:34] <Meyer> spike, sure.. go ahead
[09:35] <spike> Meyer: have you read this by any chance? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2006-January/000022.html
[09:36] <Meyer> nope.. lemme read it
[09:41] <spike> Meyer: in short sw management is nice, but for anything bigger you want some sort of centralized config and system management, and that would include sw management
[09:42] <spike> Meyer: so I was wondering if and which way nwu could evolve, and in that case be a sort of duplication of what's mentioned on that post
[09:44] <Meyer> you should talk to yves (nictuku).. he's more into coding than i am..
[09:44] <b3nw> any of you guys willing to install dhcp3-server quick to see if the install is still broken?
[09:44] <Meyer> i haven't coded taht much in nwu yet.. i've done mostly packaging and testing
[09:44] <neuralis> spike: centralized configuration management is (mostly) a solved problem, see e.g. cfengine
[09:45] <spike> neuralis: see that post :)
[09:47] <spike> neuralis: my point is cfengine solves sw updates as well, which makes nwu a sort of duplicate
[09:48] <neuralis> spike: i read the list. the post is not specific enough, doesn't consider the implications (as it admits), and doesn't translate to a good spec.
[09:48] <spike> neuralis: ok, so what would you like to see?
[09:48] <spike> a practical implementation design?
[09:49] <neuralis> spike: i want to see our server tools grow incrementally, in small chunks, and not introduce major new dependencies for supported software (e.g. ruby).
[09:50] <spike> neuralis: fair enough
[09:50] <neuralis> spike: this means that nwu, in its present form (just handling sw updates) is a reasonable target for edgy.
[09:50] <neuralis> spike: then for edgy+1, we can start looking at the other part(s) of the problem and building on top of nwu.
[09:52] <spike> neuralis: ok, I guess I'm missing something because "building on top of nwu" to me sounds like "we're gonna end up with some sort of cfengine custom made"
[09:52] <spike> I'm just saying I see room for much duplicated development, but I'm for sure missing the big picture, so I take you comments and that's all
[09:53] <spike> neuralis: that post is generic because it was a big topic, and the person that did it, me, is new to this sort of stuff
[09:54] <neuralis> spike: right. when i say 'building on top of nwu', the bigger point is growing incrementally, rather than duplicating functionality. we'll figure out what that means when we get there.
[09:54] <spike> and as a first step I think it was fine. a reply with pointers and I'd worked on something better considering implications and all
[09:55] <spike> k
[09:55] <neuralis> spike: it was a good post to get some thinking started.
[10:01] <spike> well I'll stay tuned and see if I can help in that area
[10:01] <Meyer> i seem not to be receiving all messages from the maillist
[10:02] <Meyer> ohh.. these are old messages :P
[10:02] <Meyer> sorry
[10:02] <Meyer> didnt look at the dates
[10:02] <Meyer> :P