[11:07] <jpds> Jesus, this zteam guy is random.
[11:44] <bazhang> * FloodBot3 sets mode +q #ubuntu CatFish!*@*
[11:45] <bazhang> presumably since the floodbots are opped, and he does not know he is already +q
[11:45] <bazhang> though I did tell him in PM
 advise how to install 64bit printer in 643bit.. its in rpm mode
[12:02] <ikonia> I didn't see that
[12:09] <jrib> me too
[12:09] <jrib> I think I have space for it in ~/ubuntu_quotes though
[12:25] <bazhang> * [BusyLittleBee] (~kvirc@<IP_ADDRESS>): Hiiii   some odd statements
 RAID is a form of backup
[12:33] <popey> GNNNN
 Hey, can i make SSH WEB CLIENT?
[12:38] <ikonia> wasn't he asking about this yesterday ? popey pointed him at some apps
[12:41] <popey> i suggested shellinabox
[12:41] <ikonia> yes, that's right
[12:57] <jrib> anyone know of an existing factoid that deals with disabling services?  I'm answering this question too often
[13:00] <jussi> jrib: disabling services?
[13:00] <jrib> jussi: like stopping apache from starting on boot
[13:00] <jussi> oh yeah
[13:01] <jussi> !bum
[13:01] <jussi> like that one?
[13:01] <jrib> yes, that will do :)
[13:01] <jussi> :)
[13:01]  * jrib hates editing factoids :/
[13:02]  * Pici likes editing factoids
[13:02] <jrib> hmm, this may become too long...
[13:02] <jrib> !-bum
[13:03] <jussi> jrib: you may want to unalias bum from boot
[13:03] <jussi> let boot deal with actual booting, and bum with services
[13:03] <jrib> 1) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting needs to be added    2) some instructions for pre-natty versions  and would be nice for 3) sysv-rc-conf to be mentioned
[13:16] <jrib> ok requesting some help....
[13:16] <jrib> for !boot:
[13:16] <jrib> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Smart Boot Manager: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto - See also !grub, !dualboot, and !services for starting processes at boot
[13:17] <jrib> for !services/!bum:
[13:17] <jrib> To add/remove startup services: if your service is not using an upstart script (no init script in /etc/init), you can use the package 'bum' (gui) or 'sysv-rc-conf (terminal).  If your service is using upstart, see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting (pre-natty versions: edit the script and add "never" as a start condition) - To add your own startup scripts:
[13:17] <jrib> use /etc/rc.local
[13:17] <jrib> or maybe I'll just link !services to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto and work on that wiki page
[13:18] <jrib> then we could keep it as just !boot
[13:20] <jrib> !startup
[13:20] <jrib> hmm
[14:37] <Gary> oh the shame
[14:39] <genii-around> Of baguettes?
[14:43] <Gary> of the inuendo
[15:09] <genii-around> Pici: Thanks, just got back to computer and was gonna do the same thing in 3k
[15:10] <genii-around> in #k rather
[15:56] <Pici> ugh
[15:56] <genii-around> Wasn't there some other ikonia-clone before?
[15:57] <Pici> People are so stupid.
[15:59] <genii-around> Thats why so many scams work, sadly. Send me some money so i can bribe the bank officials in Nigeria! Etc
[16:00] <Pici> ikonia: sorry for all the hilights in #ubuntu.  I tried, but it was no use.
[16:01] <jrib> OMG watt did ikonia du?
[16:02] <jrib> so who does these things anyway, seems like it's the same individual/group?
[16:05] <Pici> Probably.
[16:15]  * h00k sighs
[16:17] <Pici> Are people really this dumb?
[16:18] <h00k> Apparently
[16:18] <Pici> I'm speechless here.
[16:18] <LjL> [18:18:09] <LjL> i'll assume for a moment that you're genuine. you may or may not have noticed that it wasn't ikonia spamming #freenode, but "ikonia10" or something. that's someone who has nothing to do with ikonia. they spammed #ubuntu as well.
[16:18] <LjL> [18:18:43] <Champion03> Oh.
[16:18] <LjL> [18:18:44] <Champion03> My bad.
[16:19] <Flannel> What a dope.
[16:19] <genii-around> freenode staffers come in through a gateway now?
[16:19] <Pici> The bot spammed in #freenode, I think thats what they were referring to.
[16:37] <maco> eh we'll see if that ban works
[16:38] <LjL> maco: how about making it a mute and using ikonia??!*@* instead
[16:38] <maco> oh right. ?? forgot about those
[16:38] <maco> but why not ban?
[16:39] <LjL> maco: because hopefully with a mute they won't realize they're not spamming ;)
[16:39] <maco> oh
[16:40] <maco> ok done
[18:08] <Myrtti> watch out at #u
[18:08] <Myrtti> something is brewing
[18:09] <h00k> yep
[18:09] <Myrtti> FFGY3 and iridium
[18:10] <Myrtti> or atleast ffgy3
[18:10] <h00k> iridium may be okay
[18:10] <Myrtti> may
[18:14] <h00k> The trolling appears successful
[18:14] <Myrtti> indeed
[18:17] <h00k> is #ubuntu-beginners still around?
[18:20] <oCean> Myrtti: must be lars t
[18:20] <oCean> thela that is
[18:21] <Myrtti> I don't really care, I wasn't planning to reply anyway
[18:21] <Myrtti> I can't understand the question for one
[18:22] <oCean> many many bans for this exact behaviour
[18:25] <Myrtti> h00k: ssh client is installed by default
[18:25] <Myrtti> ssh is a virtual package that has the server as well
[18:38] <oCean> back as derblaster
[18:38] <Myrtti> too bad can't speak :->
[18:39] <oCean> h00k: that is lars too I think
[18:39] <h00k> oCean: Yeah, I'm kinda watching
[18:41] <h00k> oCean: you win.
[18:42] <oCean> hehe
[20:34] <oCean> little lag there
[20:35] <rww> same here
[20:35] <oCean> I said 'there'
[20:35] <oCean> :p
[20:35] <oCean> But I also meant here
[20:42] <rww> perhaps I should leave opping to oCean today :P
[20:43] <oCean> hehe, I'm about to leave, so the floor is yours
[20:44] <rww> holy crap. did we get spammed a lot recently or something?
[20:44] <rww> I disappear for a few days and all of a sudden Floodbots have 52 bans/quiets set.
[20:44] <h00k> rww: yeah.
[20:45] <h00k> rww: we're having bots/spammers/whatever join, saying they're ikonia, and telling everyone to join #ubuntu. They're hitting a bunch of channels
[20:48] <rww> that ikonia, he's such a card
[20:49] <h00k> HI I AM RWW JOIN #RWW-IS-AWESOME THANKS
[20:49] <oCean> please rww, stop spamming
[20:49] <oCean> :)
[20:50] <oCean> ^^ we get those in #u too, from users from other channels, asking ikonia to stop
[20:50] <rww> hah
[20:50] <h00k> that just happened.
[20:50] <rww> yeah, they used to do that with #freenode
[20:51] <h00k> they were doing that in #freenode, #debian, etc
[20:51] <h00k> today
[20:52] <oCean> On the upside, we haven't seen lars in about 30 minutes
[20:52] <rww> yeah, I see some of his ISP's addresses in that list too :P
[20:53] <oCean> I'm out. See ya
[21:00]  * rww offers staff a cookie for that k-line
[21:01] <h00k> hey, that was quick.
[21:30] <h00k> I still await the day when Backtrack decides to change their xchat autologin channel from #ubuntu to proper #backtrack-linux
[21:33] <h00k> so, that's what /af does on autobleh
[21:33] <topyli> h00k: reporting a bug helped with some other distro
[21:33] <topyli> what's this educational spanish ubuntu derivative?
[21:33] <h00k> I wonder why it's trying to op me in here
[21:34] <topyli> what is it?
[21:35] <h00k> say /af [nickname]
[21:35] <h00k> banforwards to here
[21:36] <h00k> /af lalalala
[21:36] <h00k> /af lalalala_851
[21:36] <h00k> autobleh, irssi
[21:39] <h00k><EMAIL_ADDRESS>appears to be lalalala
[21:39] <Myrtti> I'll kickban both soon
[21:40] <h00k> taken care of.
[21:41] <Myrtti> left einovatia tho
[21:41] <Myrtti> ok
[21:41] <Myrtti> nvm
[21:41] <h00k> got it :)
[21:42] <h00k> lalalala, /16
[21:42] <h00k> bah/
[21:45] <h00k> hello, einovatia01. Do you understand why you were removed from #ubuntu?
[21:45] <einovatia01> h00k, now yeah
[21:45] <einovatia01> i was trying to use a php client
[21:46] <einovatia01> i didnt know whats going on
[21:46] <h00k> einovatia01: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots regarding the Bot policy, and approved bots
[21:46] <einovatia01> let me remove it
[21:46] <einovatia01> that thing isnt a bot, is a web client
[21:47] <einovatia01> i didnt know that was sending message
[21:47] <einovatia01> the truth... i wasnt expecting that
[21:47] <einovatia01> really sorry
[21:47] <h00k> einovatia01: there are other places to play with those, but I don't know offhand, but please don't bring them into #ubuntu* namespace channels again
[21:47] <h00k> 16:31 <    lalalala_851 > dsdad
[21:47] <h00k> 16:31 <        lalalala > dsdad
[21:48] <h00k> specifically ;)
[21:48] <einovatia01> oh, i see
[21:48] <einovatia01> thanks, really sorry
[21:48] <einovatia01> will not happen again :)
[21:49] <h00k> !guidelines > einovatia01
[21:49] <h00k> Check these over for a few minutes to make sure you understand the rules before I'll remove the ban
[21:49] <einovatia01> sure, no problem
[21:50] <einovatia01> i've stopped them, guess... let me see if is really out
[21:50] <h00k> einovatia01: they're out, I have removed them
[21:51] <einovatia01> of the server
[21:51] <einovatia01> not just the channel
[21:51] <h00k> einovatia01: of the channel, is where I removed them from
[21:51] <einovatia01> they was garbage of the script
[21:51] <einovatia01> yeah, and i think i removed them of the server
[21:52] <einovatia01> that nicks are garbage of the web client
[21:53] <lalalala_851> ok, they are really out of the server
[21:53] <lalalala_851> i'm leaving
[21:53] <lalalala_851> really sorry for the trouble
[21:54] <h00k> ...
[21:54] <h00k> lalalala_851: clearly, they're not
[21:55] <lalalala_851> i've changed into the nicks to verify
[21:55] <lalalala_851> hmmm
[21:55] <h00k> lalalala_851: you can also /whois [nickname] here, which is better than spamming with nickname changes
[21:56] <lalalala_851> truth, i didn't know
[21:59] <lalalala_851> h00k, i think all them are gone...
[21:59] <h00k> lalalala_851: also, a protip, please understand what you're doing when you 'play' with scripts/bots
[21:59] <h00k> lalalala_851: also, where it's acceptable to have them
[22:01] <h00k> lalalala_851: I removed your ban, you can rejoin #ubuntu.
[22:01] <lalalala_851> h00k, Ok, i understand and accept. Really sorry
[22:01] <lalalala_851> thanks
[22:01] <h00k> lalalala_851: Have a good morning/day/afternoon/evening, wherever you are
[22:02] <lalalala_851> h00k, afternoon here. Same for you :)
[22:03]  * h00k shrugs
[22:03] <h00k> it appeared to be an honest mistake
[22:04] <h00k> and with that, I have to run
[22:05] <topyli> yeah. if it happens again, we will give them a LUMIPESU
[22:16] <bazhang> * Cydd (~ahhhhhhhh@unaffiliated/cydd) has joined #ubuntu   <---- bansearch says still banned


[02:09] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230624)


[01:23] <len_1304> amerigena, default place for the wine menu is in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged
[01:23] <Unit193> len_1304: This is some fluke bug that puts wine at the very top of the applications menu.
[01:24] <len_1304> That menu stub may get overlaid after the menu stub alacarte creates in ~/.config/menu
[01:24] <len_1304> Mine is at the bottom.
[01:26] <len_1304> W comes after S I guess.
[03:18] <skellat> I've registered a blueprint for UDS-1303: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/contingencies
[03:20] <skellat> knome: I tagged you as approver for this but it is exceedingly general and vague enough so that, if approved for UDS, we can at least formally get some discussion on-record: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/contingencies
[03:20]  * skellat wanders off
[10:36] <knome> skellat, thanks
[13:06] <suleyman> Hi. How can I donate Xubuntu?
[13:19] <knome> suleyman, at the moment, we're not taking donations, but you can direct the money to the xfce project, from which we directly benefit
[13:22] <suleyman> thank you.
[13:22] <knome> np
[18:20] <knome> bbl for the sprint
[20:58] <pleia2> home!
[20:58] <knome> woo!
[21:03] <pleia2> oh right, so sprint time :)
[21:03] <knome> yeah, it is
[21:03] <pleia2> I am getting settled in, lunch is on the counter, need to retrieve
[21:04] <knome> yeah, let's wait for some time to people to appear from darkness
[21:14] <knome> hmm, the question in which repo where xubuntu-desktop is never occurred to me
[21:15] <knome> though of course, universe is the natural choice.
[21:15]  * pleia2 nods
[21:16] <knome> i think we need to rethink which items we want to work on during the sprint due to the RR-discussion
[21:16] <knome> oh how it sucks that it's happening SOOOO close to FF.
[21:17] <pleia2> yeah, I think we should put off some things
[21:17] <pleia2> no use working on things that are usless if 13.04 never happens
[21:17] <knome> yup.
[21:20] <pleia2> alright knome, looks like just you and me for now
[21:20] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Sprints/2013-03-03-globaljam
[21:20] <knome> Unit193 is hiding too.
[21:21] <knome> * Update the "Documentation" section under "Get Involved"
[21:21] <pleia2> I have no idea how translations will work without freezes (except every 2 years)
[21:22] <pleia2> SRU is probably worthwhile if LTS is the only release
[21:22] <Unit193> >_>
[21:22] <Unit193> No I'm not here.
[21:22] <pleia2> hi Unit193!
[21:22] <knome> yes...
[21:22] <knome> but i'd probably look at that too after vUDS
[21:23] <pleia2> yeah
[21:23] <pleia2> and re: 13.04 docs, well, if there is no 13.04...
[21:24] <pleia2> so I don't think we can do much with docs today
[21:24] <knome> i'll edit the wikipage shortly.
[21:24] <Unit193> Easier to keep them up than do it like last time.
[21:24] <pleia2> Unit193: only if it's not a moving target
[21:25] <Unit193> There is that little bit...
[21:25] <pleia2> can't very well start writing docs for 14.04 now, over a year away, we won't know what features it'll have
[21:25] <knome> yeah...
[21:25] <knome> while i don't want to go too deep in the RR discussion, i have to share this one:
[21:27] <knome> they say that the 6-month release schedule slows down development because there are so many freezes, but actually the 2-year release interval, it seems that many and again many teams are suffering because the next LTS target is unknown
[21:27] <knome> re: all libs and for xubuntu, xfce and all that kind of "little" stuff
[21:27] <pleia2> yeah
[21:28] <knome> you could argue there's no sense to make an effort to make something work every 6 months, but i think it does make even less sense to make something work "for now"
[21:29] <knome> ok, wikipage updated.
[21:29] <knome> are there others we simply want to postpone?
[21:29]  * pleia2 deep breath and looks
[21:30] <pleia2> we can work on marketing, website and artwork stuff
[21:30] <skellat> I need to get back to scripting but, after finishing that bloody hour-long video, Xubuntu and other flavors are left twisting in the breeze due to the RR discussion.  I logged that blueprint that has yet to be approved for UDS-1303 but we've really got nothing to go on.  I remain unsure if there will necessarily be an Ubuntu 13.04 released.
[21:30] <pleia2> how about testing?
[21:31] <knome> mm... i wouldn't want to do that
[21:31]  * pleia2 is trying to avoid more RR discussion this weekend, instead bought herself flowers and is working on Xfce
[21:31]  * knome looks at the release schedule
[21:31] <knome> ffst, NOT the precise one!
[21:31] <pleia2> hehe
[21:32] <knome> nah, i'd actually really want to postpone the testing stuff after uds
[21:32] <pleia2> ok
[21:32] <knome> that would be a lot of wasted time and energy, and not necessarily only mine
[21:32] <knome> it's already been some if 13.04 cancelled, so...
[21:32] <pleia2> yeah
[21:32] <knome> and bluesabre's :<
[21:33] <knome> i bought myself a good batch of beer too to not try to think the cruel world
[21:33] <pleia2> not sure where this article thing will land if the magazine doesn't have a 13.04 release to target
[21:33] <knome> yeah, i thougt about that too
[21:33] <pleia2> so there will have been a lot of wasted time to go around (including a whole week in copenhagen planning a release that never happens)
[21:33] <knome> but i decided to get more anxious about it only after UDS
[21:33] <skellat> pleia2: What sort of flowers did you buy?
[21:33]  * micahg waves, will brb
[21:33] <knome> though it was fun to be in copenhagen.
[21:34] <knome> and it was still beneficial
[21:34] <pleia2> skellat: a bouquet! http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8526044856/
[21:34] <knome> ...and there was some beer too, so definitely not non-fun
[21:34] <pleia2> beer++
[21:34] <knome> some of it almost looks like plastic
[21:34] <knome> the tulip and the green stuff at left front
[21:34] <pleia2> the flash does goofy things
[21:34] <pleia2> but they are real :)
[21:35] <knome> you mean adobe flash?
[21:35] <pleia2> no
[21:35] <skellat> The Nexus S has a camera flash?
[21:35] <pleia2> yep
[21:35] <pleia2> Nexus S camera is actually pretty good, aside from being slow
[21:36] <knome> do we want to postpone the docs stuff?
[21:36] <pleia2> yeah
[21:36] <knome> i mean, even the (back)port
[21:37] <pleia2> I think so, I don't want to start in on that and then realize we *will* have a 13.04 and then have two major projects on our hands
[21:37] <pleia2> if needed SRU can wait until after April
[21:37] <knome> mmh, right
[21:38] <knome> so in that case
[21:38] <maddernick> Hi
[21:38] <knome> i'd propose a following order
[21:38] <Unit193> By install http://pastebin.com/KP6r7N98   by vote: http://pastebin.com/R3tTiMRK
[21:38]  * micahg is here
[21:38] <knome> 1)  Update the "Documentation" section under "Get Involved"
[21:39] <knome> 2)  Add "Products" page under the marketing resources
[21:39] <knome> 3)  Review and extend flyer content
[21:39] <knome> 4)  Create a list of languages we want in the ISO (n most spoken for a starting point)
[21:39] <knome> there's also the following items:
[21:40] <knome> *  Add launchers to the applications menu for Xubuntu.org (+contribute)
[21:40] <knome> *  Work on the flyer drafts (artwork)
[21:40] <knome> micahg, does the launcher thing sound something you'd be willing to go ahead and do?
[21:40] <pleia2> the flyer stuff seems more like something you do privately and then we talk about later
[21:41] <pleia2> s/stuff/artwork
[21:41] <pleia2> we can talk about content :)
[21:41]  * pleia2 forgets what she wrote
[21:41] <micahg> where would it go?
[21:41] <knome> yeah, but if people who want to contribute to the artwork are around, they can do quick drafts and get feedback quickly
[21:42] <knome> micahg, next to "About Xfce" sounds good to me
[21:42] <knome> actually
[21:42] <pleia2> oh right, need to review "About Xubuntu" text too
[21:42] <maddernick> i just wanna ask if ochosi_ has reviewed the plymouth changes and what he thought, and if he thinks I could request a merge
[21:42] <pleia2> that was brought up on the list a while back, I said I'd do it
[21:42] <knome> pleia2, yeah, was just about to say that too
[21:42] <micahg> knome: sure, we can do that, would like mr_pouit's input to see if he minds first, but I could do that quickly
[21:43] <knome> the "Xubuntu" tab is actually "Xfce in Debian"
[21:43] <knome> pleia2, are you on the wikipage to add it or shall i?
[21:43] <pleia2> go for it
[21:44] <knome> done
[21:44]  * mr_pouit stops hiding then
[21:44] <knome> good good
[21:44] <knome> ;)=
[21:44] <mr_pouit> huhu
[21:44]  * skellat has to disappear to get the last bloody script done for podcast recording tonight but reminds about this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/contingencies
[21:45] <mr_pouit> micahg: I don't mind (I uploaded a new xubuntu-default-settings yesterday, I should have waited then)
[21:45] <micahg> mr_pouit: it's a quick build, it's not that bad
[21:46] <knome> i'll simply start working on the "doc on website" stuff now
[21:46] <knome> just do whatever you like! (:
[21:46]  * micahg has to go fix his chroots to build against -proposed now
[21:46] <knome> btw, hai jjfrv8
[21:47]  * pleia2 stops goofing off
[21:48] <mr_pouit> micahg: I'm too lazy to do that, so I wait until it goes out of there if necessary :>
[21:48] <jjfrv8> Hi, knome
[21:49] <pleia2> I wish there was an easier way to have people order stickers from moo.com (cafepress/zazzle like store)
[21:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: well, I stopped uploading after I was bit by a transition in -proposed (BTW, it's default for newly created chroots)
[21:50] <knome> pleia2, you mean like pre-designed stuff and users would only need to choose the amount ?
[21:51] <pleia2> knome: yeah
[21:51] <pleia2> instead of my current "go to this website, upload this design with the round stickers" method
[21:51] <knome> yeah
[21:51] <knome> that sucks
[21:51] <pleia2> but the quality of stickers on the other sites is meh :(
[21:51] <pleia2> moo is awesome
[21:52] <maddernick> Couldnt one make some sort of form-posting "proxy" for moo?
[21:52] <maddernick> that uploads the image, and then takes you there
[21:52] <pleia2> not from what I've seen
[21:53] <pleia2> best I can do is link to http://us.moo.com/products/round-stickers.html
[21:54] <knome> updated the doc page
[21:54]  * pleia2 works on some products page text
[21:55] <pleia2> :)
[21:56] <mr_pouit> micahg: I don't use stuff from ubuntu-dev-tools to create my chroots anyway (since the last time I used them they installed recommends and I had to file a bug, iceweasel in a chroot is no fun)
[21:56] <knome> mr_pouit, :>
[21:56] <maddernick> pleia2: http://us.moo.com/api/
[21:56] <maddernick> "You can use the API yourself, or provide a UI for your customers to use "
[21:57] <pleia2> maddernick: ah!
[21:57] <knome> maddernick, want to deal with that? ;)
[21:57] <pleia2> maddernick: thanks
[21:57] <maddernick> knome: i will look into it
[21:57] <knome> maddernick, like, right now (it doesn't sound like a complex thing)
[21:57] <maddernick> okay
[21:57] <knome> thanks
[21:57] <maddernick> as long as i dont need to sign up :P
[21:57] <knome> heh
[21:57] <knome> that would be awkward anyway,.
[21:57] <knome> -,
[21:58] <pleia2> I've already ordered a bunch from them so I don't mind using my account for it
[21:58] <knome> pleia2, i'm pretty sure eventually linking to something doesn't need any account
[21:58] <knome> but creating something with the api might
[21:59] <micahg> skellat: I'm very interested in Xubuntu on arm*, I think it would rock on that platform
[21:59] <pleia2> so what other products do we have besides stickers?
[21:59] <micahg> unfortunately, all I have is an old 800 mhz arm machine
[21:59] <pleia2> we'll have flyers
[21:59] <knome> pleia2, is the case badge issue fixed?
[22:00] <pleia2> knome: no, haven't had the budget to engage them for another order (same goes for tshirts)
[22:00] <knome> pleia2, meh. there isn't any possibility to work with them without throwing $100 at them again?
[22:00] <pleia2> yeah, I could just drop them an email without an order to see if there is anything they can do
[22:00] <pleia2> I'll do that now
[22:01] <knome> pleia2, i mean, the quality sucked, one would think they would be willing to do something about it to make you order again
[22:01] <knome> (especially since you're probably making *others* order from them as well)
[22:01] <knome> great, thanks
[22:02] <pleia2> yeah
[22:02] <micahg> knome: where's the link to contribute?
[22:03] <knome> micahg, here: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[22:03] <micahg> knome: which icon and what should the title bw?
[22:03] <micahg> *be
[22:04] <maddernick> seems fairly easily done to do this, but yes, they dont seem to have any example keys, which makes this a bit annoying
[22:04] <knome> that's a good question
[22:04] <micahg> knome: menu list name and hover over name are required
[22:04] <knome> "Contribute to Xubuntu" or "Get Involved with Xubuntu"
[22:04] <knome> which one do you prefer?
[22:04] <maddernick> Someone will have to use their account for this :|
[22:05]  * micahg prefers Get Involved
[22:05] <micahg> but it's too long
[22:06] <knome> hover description: "Read about the different ways to help the Xubuntu team."
[22:06] <knome> maybe it could be more inspiring...
[22:06] <knome> "Read how you can make Xubuntu better!"
[22:06] <micahg> the contribute string is a good length (shorter than USC which is the largest item in the menu)
[22:07] <pleia2> ok, email sent
[22:07] <knome> hooray
[22:10] <maddernick> pleia2: "Round Stickers, Label Stickers, Holiday Cards, Greeting Cards and Christmas Cards are not currently supported through the API"
[22:10] <knome> hahah
[22:10] <knome> well done
[22:10]  * pleia2 headdesk
[22:10] <micahg> knome: do you want it below or above About Xfce?
[22:11] <pleia2> I could offer to send people stickers for free and then revise my decision if I end up getting a billion requests ;)
[22:11] <knome> i'd say both should go above (since the menu is opening, that makes them "before" it, right?)
[22:11] <pleia2> and say "or you can make your own like this"
[22:12] <knome> pleia2, "let pleia2 order you stickers and get them for free or go through the hassle to order them yourself and pay for them" ?
[22:12] <knome> mm, i'm quite certain you wouldn't get any request
[22:12] <knome> NOT
[22:12] <maddernick> Great deal!
[22:12] <pleia2> with different words that make them feel guilty for asking me :)
[22:13] <pleia2> and making clear it's limited and stuff
[22:13] <knome> haha
[22:13] <micahg> knome: so, between help and about xfce?
[22:13] <knome> micahg, umm, between "Xubuntu website" -link and "About Xfce"
[22:14] <micahg> hrm?
[22:14] <knome> we wanted two items added
[22:14] <knome> one for the main website, another for the contribute page
[22:15] <micahg> oh, hrm, missed that, what's the tagline, and title for the other?
[22:15] <knome> "Xubuntu website" -> "Learn more about Xubuntu on our website."
[22:15] <knome> pleia2, ^ agree?
[22:15] <micahg> so, Help, Xubuntu Website, Contribute to Xubuntu, About Xfce, Log Out
[22:16] <knome> yes
[22:16] <knome> :)
[22:16] <pleia2> sure
[22:17] <mr_pouit> we should name the entry "isdjjkqdsjkqd", because everyone will wonder what it is, click and end up on xubuntu.org
[22:17] <micahg> link to http://xubuntu.org
[22:17] <knome> oh pretty please include the closing / :)
[22:17] <knome> i'll get clinically mad if you don't
[22:18] <Unit193> Ooooh!  I like this idea!
[22:18]  * micahg wonders what knome would be like clinically mad...
[22:18] <knome> right.
[22:18] <knome> i mean *more* clinically mad
[22:18] <knome> O:)
[22:21] <micahg> could someone test a built package in a new user (guest account would work) to see if it DTRT in raring?
[22:22] <knome> somebody running raring?
[22:22] <mr_pouit> (or simply pick xfce-applications.menu and the desktop file on quantal)
[22:24] <knome> what about the firefox bookmarks?
[22:24] <knome> do we have these links there as well?
[22:24] <micahg> debs here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~micahg/xubuntu/
[22:25] <micahg> .changes has hashes
[22:25] <knome> (or can we affect those anyway? i believe it's controlled by ubufox)
[22:26] <micahg> yeah, we can't change the bookmarks ATM
[22:26] <knome> yup :(
[22:30] <knome> hmm...
[22:30] <knome> they appear in the middle of the categories
[22:31] <knome> the icons should probably be the xubuntu logo
[22:32] <micahg> what's the icon name for that
[22:34] <micahg> oops forgot to add layout as well
[22:34]  * pleia2 gets sucked into work stuff
[22:34] <pleia2> bah
[22:34]  * micahg confesses to having not really played with menus much
[22:34] <pleia2> openstack now has a new process for signing the CLA, woo
[22:35] <knome> micahg, lemme see
[22:35] <micahg> knome: so, if you give me the icon name, I'll rebuild the package
[22:35] <knome> pleia2, boo
[22:35]  * micahg fixed the layout
[22:36] <knome> well the menu icon name is distributor-logo
[22:37] <knome> (in places/*/, if you need that)
[22:40] <micahg> knome: thanks, new debs upload
[22:41] <knome> just a sec
[22:41] <knome> yeah, works now apart from the icons
[22:42] <knome> oh wait
[22:42] <knome> duh
[22:42] <knome> nvm
[22:43] <knome> yup, works
[22:44] <knome> thanks
[22:44] <knome> bbiab
[22:45] <mr_pouit> note that XFCE is now a recognized category (iirc)
[22:45] <knome> hmm
[22:45] <knome> what's your point
[22:46] <micahg> so, ok to upload, or should I just push?
[22:47] <mr_pouit> (in the desktop file, X-XFCE vs. XFCE, but both work anyway)
[22:47] <micahg> oh, should I change that before upload?
[22:47] <knome> ok for me to upload
[22:48] <mr_pouit> micahg: bah, we checked that it's ok with X-XFCE, so no need to change
[22:48] <micahg> ok
[22:52]  * micahg updates the GPLv2 link to make lintian happy
[23:00] <knome> heh
[23:00] <knome> again, bbiab
[23:00] <knome> or actually, a bit longer while
[23:00] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xq3alIj7ag0OvxInOF-9goD2I2z8o5z3uS53u5QKXKE/edit#heading=h.1vu8ysbzk5g8 for /products if you want to follow along at home
[23:00] <pleia2> (it's slow going, I keep getting distracted
[23:00] <pleia2> )
[23:02] <knome> sorry for poking :P
[23:05] <pleia2> :)
[23:06] <knome> brb.
[23:14] <pleia2> I forgot about these, they were fun http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/7640334336/
[23:14] <pleia2> now to remember where I got them from :)
[23:14] <knome> heh
[23:14] <knome> the blue should go through the edge
[23:15] <knome> ...as i've said before
[23:15] <pleia2> ah, zazzle
[23:15] <pleia2> yeah, I don't think that was possible with zazzle
[23:15] <knome> BOO
[23:16] <knome> (not MOO)
[23:16] <pleia2> hehe
[23:17] <pleia2> looks like I can probably get them closer to being all blue in the front, but when you turn it around it'll still be white in the back
[23:17] <knome> that's still suboptimal if they can't guarantee 100% that they hit the center
[23:17] <knome> and i don't think they can.
[23:17] <pleia2> yeah
[23:18] <knome> not with that scale and price
[23:18] <knome> however, i can get another beer down the throat
[23:18] <knome> :]
[23:18] <knome> yummy oak-aged
[23:18] <pleia2> hehe
[23:22] <pleia2> http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-zazzle_button?dz=3fde4fd5-70c0-4dc1-95cf-2c942e97eaca&clone=true&pending=true&style=round_button&size=1.25&dv=4&view=front_square
[23:22] <pleia2> not the awesomest of URLs
[23:23] <knome> no
[23:23] <knome> meh.
[23:23] <pleia2> ok, no buttons
[23:23] <knome> i'm simply not happy about calling that official merchandise
[23:23]  * pleia2 nods
[23:25] <maddernick> Thats awesome, cmon, thats like a Star Trek communicator but with this logo
[23:25] <maddernick> I might order it :P
[23:25] <knome> feel free to
[23:25] <knome> but i don't think it's a good idea to get these out in large quantities unless we can be sure about the quality
[23:26] <maddernick> There must be some way of validating it
[23:26] <knome> a manufacturer that allows bleed, yes
[23:28] <pleia2> the quality is fine for what they are ;)
[23:29] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/7640334336/ pretty!
[23:29] <pleia2> just they do have the white border
[23:30] <knome> yeah, but you're not a graphic designer by your trade...
[23:30] <pleia2> truth
[23:31] <knome> i mean
[23:31] <knome> those generally look fine
[23:31] <knome> and if somebody specifically comes asking for buttons, fine, tell them about those
[23:31] <pleia2> maybe I can put them on the wiki
[23:31] <knome> and it's ok to use them in events and so on and spread them
[23:31] <knome> but let's not call them official...
[23:31] <knome> just something "you can use"
[23:32] <knome> until we find a manufacturer that allows bleed
[23:32] <knome> that shouldn't be a problem at all
[23:32]  * pleia2 nods
[23:33] <knome> if you sent a design like that (want the white border on the back and side) to any commercial printer that asks you for a "normal" price, they advise you to rethink
[23:33] <knome> that's how bad it is
[23:37] <pleia2> knome: thoughts on what else we should add to this products page?
[23:38] <pleia2> and if it's just this, is it worthwhile yet?
[23:38] <pleia2> maybe we should wait for flyers...
[23:38] <knome> yeah, probably not worth it yet
[23:38] <knome> but it's good we got started with it
[23:38] <pleia2> next cycle (or whatever, you know) I should be able to start putting some $$ into t-shirt and other tests
[23:39] <pleia2> I can move this txt into a draft wordpress page so we don't lose it
[23:39] <knome> yeah, that would be good
[23:39] <pleia2> k
[23:39] <knome> do you still have time for stufF?
[23:39] <pleia2> yeah
[23:39] <knome> we could look at the flyer text or the about dialog
[23:39] <pleia2> oh yes
[23:39] <pleia2> where did I put it, did I email it to you or something?
[23:40] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Flyers
[23:40] <knome> wise girl
[23:40] <knome> should we work on that in gdocs?
[23:41] <pleia2> yeah
[23:42] <knome> will you move it? :)
[23:43] <pleia2> yeah
[23:43] <pleia2> ok, copied over products stuff and saved the draft
[23:43] <knome> ok
[23:43] <knome> i'll add a note that case badges are available for ordering later
[23:43] <knome> from not-elizabeth :P
[23:44] <pleia2> :)
[23:45] <knome> re: the ugly url for image
[23:45] <knome> if it would be possible to link somesubdomain.xubuntu.org to a server you have upload rights to, that would be optimal
[23:46] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcujR5HnBbu7Lc28ICn6la_EEVEs_vt6NkjoYQSCRps/edit
[23:46] <knome> then we could have products.xubuntu.org/round-stickers.png or sth
[23:46] <pleia2> yeah
[23:46] <knome> and update when we need to
[23:46] <knome> and add other images
[23:46] <pleia2> think of working with IS on this kind of makes my head hurt
[23:46] <knome> i don't think things like that should be uploaded to WP anyway
[23:46] <knome> i can handle IS
[23:47] <pleia2> maybe just static.xubuntu.org or something
[23:47] <pleia2> where we can toss lots of stuff like this, maybe a .txt version of our strategy document too or something
[23:49] <knome> lol at gdocs bullet
[23:49] <knome> yeah, sure
[23:52] <drc> May I make a suggestion on the flyer?
[23:53] <knome> drc, yes.
[23:53] <knome> it is totally open for discussion
[23:53] <pleia2> it's ok to say "this is all wrong" too, I don't know what I'm doing so I won't be offended :)
[23:54] <drc> It's a flyer...the salient points should be understood at a glance (bullets, points something) Paragrapha (like pleia2 is editing now require <reading>.
[23:55]  * pleia2 nods
[23:55] <drc> Think a billboard you see driving down a high spreed road, you have just a few seconds to grab them and convay your message
[23:56] <drc> At least at the top of the flyer.  Once you have them down to the middle, you can make more complex statements.
[23:58] <drc> My thoughts anyway :)
[23:58] <pleia2> I love how I use phrases like "image processing" and "email client" - I am not normal user :)
[23:59] <knome> as i commented, i don't think it does much difference to mention the video player name
[23:59] <pleia2> knome: re: parole - because it's not a known product?
[23:59] <knome> no, not only that
[23:59] <knome> most people don't care what the player is called
[23:59] <pleia2> they would if it was VLC ;)
[23:59] <knome> yeah.


[00:25] <nhandler> mohi: Where is California are you?
[05:41] <mohi> nhandler, I am in Dublin.
[15:48] <nhandler> mohi: Ah, not too far from me. I'm in San Francisco


 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/a861b88f/file_10228.jpg
[00:25] <arraybolt3> hmm, the window will end up covering the hummingbird
[00:25] <arraybolt3> (assuming we "desktopify" it)
[00:32] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I'm slightly unsure about making the theme of the button match the theme of the ISO welcome screen, and am thinking perhaps we should do the reverse. Rationale - rounded corners are cool and all, but they're virtually absent from the LXQt desktop and only exist on the website and the welcome screen. It's a lack of consistency that *can't*
[00:32] <arraybolt3> be fixed in LXQt, whereas it's relatively trivial to just use sharp corners in the welcome screen and website. IMO that would look better than the alternative. Thoughts?
[00:33] <arraybolt3> (er, correction - it's almost certainly way harder to make LXQt use rounded corners than it is to use sharp corners elsewhere. I also kinda like sharp corners :P but that's probably just me)
[01:10] <arraybolt3> ITP bugs filed for picom-conf and sddm-conf in Debian.
 Thank you!
[01:15]  * arraybolt3 checks The List to see what pressing things need done...
[01:15] <arraybolt3> ...probably either Wayland experimentation or fixing the bug in our start screen that can lead to interrupted installs
[01:28] <arraybolt3> guiverc: just got a grub update screen during installing updates using the Lubuntu upgrader (not using apt directly). Even though I chose a disk to install GRUB onto, I was told I had picked no disks. Have you seen this recently?
[01:29]  * arraybolt3 wishes I had stopped and gotten a screenshot, oh well, I can probably reproduce it
[01:29] <guiverc> sorry I cannot picture what you're asking about; so almost certainly no.
[01:31] <arraybolt3> try pressing "Install Full Upgrade" on a Noble machine you've not updated in a while if you have one of those
[01:31]  * arraybolt3 has an outdated ISO I can use otherwise, also this is probably specific to BIOS machines
[01:53] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: how would you feel about the actual installer prompt UI only being displayed on the largest resolution screen found, and just a background image being shown on the other screens? I think that would elegantly get around the problem guiverc noticed with being able to accidentally terminate an installation.
[01:53]  * guiverc loves that solution arraybolt3
[01:57]  * arraybolt3 tries to implement it
[02:05] <arraybolt3> heh, /me just learned that the startup window is *not* fullscreen, but rather is set to be just big enough that it appears to be fullscreen and the titlebar is hiding just outside the screen itself
[02:05] <arraybolt3> ok so I'm going to do some cleanup work since that seems distinctly wrong to me
[02:21] <arraybolt3> that ended up being pretty easy, time to test in VBox
[02:34] <arraybolt3> sigh, just discovered a theming issue in the installer prompt :-/
[02:34] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing the symlink-fu I had in the CMake file at one point probably got either lost or isn't working right
[03:00] <arraybolt3> guiverc: https://i.imgur.com/vYLlq19.png
[03:00] <arraybolt3> better?
[03:01] <arraybolt3> (code changes are already pushed)
[03:01] <guiverc> yep looks good arraybolt3
[03:02] <arraybolt3> nifty, I'll leave a note on the bug report that the upstream code is fixed, then let tsimonq2 make a release once it's ready.
[03:02] <arraybolt3> I do need to fix the symlink stuff too, so I'll try and see what's going on there while I'm right here.
[03:02]  * guiverc did like seeing that rat-possum like numbat creature though...
[03:02] <arraybolt3> also I couldn't reproduce the weird GRUB configuration issue, so I guess that'll be a mystery lost to the sands of time
[03:03] <arraybolt3> the numbat's still there, you just have to click "Try Lubuntu" to see it :)
[03:04] <guiverc> :)
 guiverc: You do much more testing than I do these days, what would be the chances of someone having e.g. a broken laptop screen and an external monitor, having the screen go to the wrong place?
 It's an edge case, I'll admit; we should discuss how prevalent that edge case actually is.
[03:31] <arraybolt3> hmm, the symlink that gets made by cmake to do theming right isn't getting made in the lubuntu-installer-prompt package, thus theming is a bit broken
 (Small button on the bottom saying "make this the active display" and only connect signals and such if the given screen is being used?)
 hmmmmm
 Time for a git bisect XD
[03:33] <arraybolt3> it's not in the Git repo
[03:33] <arraybolt3> the upstream code is good, I just tested it
[03:33] <arraybolt3> it's the packaging's fault
[03:33] <arraybolt3> I like the idea of a "make this the active screen" button, I might try to implement that soon-ish
[03:33] <guiverc> tsimonq2, i used to test using a laptop with near-dead (unreadable) screen & external monitor... but most devices have FN key combinations that let you enable/disable/combination of screens which is what I'd use for problematic device.. ie. make machine show same output on both screens (mirrored) but OS think it's only got a single screen attached; meaning no coding is required for base OS
[03:36] <arraybolt3> I wonder if that actually works in a pure Openbox environment before LXQt is started?
[03:36] <guiverc> (by FN key; on one laptop there is a screen pic on F7 key which means FN+F7 and device flips between 5 options of internal-only, ext-only, int+ext-mirror; side-by-side etc... Fn-f7 on another ... ie. firmware of box offers option)
[03:36] <arraybolt3> And I don't think all machines have that kind of key.
[03:37] <guiverc> No they don't but most enterprise have it in my experience.. cheaper laptops may not..
[03:38] <arraybolt3> It's definitely worth investigating and supporting, and I have an implementation idea to do what Simon suggested a bit ago.
[03:38] <arraybolt3> But at any rate, I should probably EOD now or pretty soon.
 arraybolt3: I think we're missing the runtime dependency for the extra widgets
[03:44] <arraybolt3> Extra widgets?
[03:44] <arraybolt3> The theming issue is because xdg-Lubuntu isn't getting symljnked to xdg-Lubuntu-Live-Environment (or whatever I set the CMake file to do, you get what I mean).
[03:45] <arraybolt3> CMake makes the symlink at install time as it should, but the packaging isn't picking it up.
[03:46] <arraybolt3> I realized the fix I just did isn't quite complete - what if the user only has one screen, but somehow alt+tabs their way back to the installer prompt (getting around fullscreen Calamares), then changes locale? Worse, what if we get the GUI for pkgselect fixed, then go back to running Calamares in windowed mode?
 We might be talking about two different things: KLed is a KExtraWidget
[03:47] <arraybolt3> So we *really* need to hide or disable the locale changing box entirely when the user clicks Install.
[03:48] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ah, indeed we are. I'm talking about weird theming in Cala, particularly the window titlebars that appear in popup windows.
 Sounds like a plan. We can use the existing WiFi show/hide functionality as an example
[03:48] <arraybolt3> Also my most recent changes broke the installer prompt in a couple of ways for unknown reasons, so... I'mma go fix it I guess.
[03:48] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: don't make a new release yet please :)
 Did you ever consider it's because Calamares isn't running in an LXQt session and thus does not pick up our LXQt theme? Setting the appropriate XDG variables only happens when starting the user session, which is why you'll notice differences there
 I'm not doing any more work today ;)
[03:49] <arraybolt3> That's exactly why it's happening, but my CMake file makes a symlink that fixed it.
 I mean... sure, that's one way of doing it
[03:50] <arraybolt3> The name of the XDG session is "xdg-Lubuntu-Live-Environment" or something like that, so CMakeLists.txt symlinks /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu to /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu-Live-Environment.
[03:50] <arraybolt3> And that symlink is getting lost at package build time even though CMake generates it.
 Ideally we'd literally move those XDG variable export lines up to the top of the Bash script and just call it a day :P
 When the installer prompt is called, it just acts like it's using xdg-Lubuntu
[03:51] <arraybolt3> mhh, that might work but I seem to think we tried things other than symlinks without good results.
[03:51] <arraybolt3> maybe not though, my memory is hazy
[03:51] <arraybolt3> I'll try changing the Bash script while I'm right here and see what happens
 We didn't try this, I just inserted those myself last upload
 Literally move those export lines to the top of that file ;)
 Oh also
[03:52] <arraybolt3> ah ok
[03:52] <arraybolt3> yeah that surely will work then, since the LXQt session looks right if you choose to try Lubuntu
 That Calamares call in Install Lubuntu really needs to match the desktop entry exactly, however we do it, so we're not chasing bugs in functionality differences
 Between those two things, that *should* bring us a step forward towards better teeming
[03:53] <arraybolt3> I like it
 *theming lmao
[03:54] <arraybolt3> what in all creation
 Anyway, thanks! I'll tag in ~= the morning, or whenever you feel it's ready
[03:54] <arraybolt3> 516     connect(calamares, static_cast<void(QProcess::*)(int, QProcess::ExitStatus)>(&QProcess::finished),
[03:54] <arraybolt3> 517         this, [this](int, QProcess::ExitStatus){ this->tryLubuntu(); });
[03:54] <arraybolt3> who wrote that disaster
[03:54] <arraybolt3> :P
 That would be me :P
 StackOverflow helped with that one...
[03:54] <arraybolt3> I can't even figure out what that's supposed to pretend like it's doing
 If you can get a simpler version to work, go for it ;)
[03:55] <arraybolt3> kk, I just found it since this is the part that's currently broken
 Here's the big thing: that QProcess must run asynchronously, or the entire installer prompt will freeze because it's running in the same thread
[03:56] <arraybolt3> (just for the record I'm not trying to be mean, I was just making a joke because I was so confused trying to read it :P)
 No worries ;)
 You could move that QProcess to be a private variable belonging to InstallerPrompt and just connect it normally like the rest of the symbols, just make sure there's proper locking in place
 I keep thinking signals and typing symbols :P
[04:02] <arraybolt3> connect(calamares, SIGNAL(finished(int)), this, SLOT(tryLubuntu()); // compiles
[04:02] <arraybolt3> Sometimes old syntax is the best syntax
[04:03] <arraybolt3> now let's see if that unbreaks it
[04:14] <arraybolt3> hrm, it did not
[04:15] <arraybolt3> for some reason if you try to cancel installation (thus closing Calamares), the installer prompt now locks up entirely.
[04:15] <arraybolt3> which makes like zero sense to me because all that happens when you quit Calamares is it calls tryLubuntu(), which just calls QApplication::quit(). How can that lock up?!
[04:15] <arraybolt3> (it locked up before the signal change too)
[04:17] <arraybolt3> hmm, perhaps it's Calamares that is locking up
[04:18] <arraybolt3> yeah because now it's just working, for some reason the first time I tried to cancel Cala it locked up rather than cancelling. I thought it was my code's fault :P
[04:21] <arraybolt3> Final point of confusion - despite the fact that the env vars have been moved to the top of the script, and I changed the lubuntu-installer script to use "sudo -E calamares -D6" (which usually gives nice theming), the theming in Cala is still slightly off. Dunno what's wrong there, but I really should EOD now. I think I've not broken anything that
[04:21] <arraybolt3> wasn't broken before, and the upstream code now has a fix for the critical bug guiverc reported, so I think that's good.
[04:21] <arraybolt3> :q
[04:21] <arraybolt3> oops, that was meant for my terminal
[04:22] <arraybolt3> o/
[04:22] <guiverc> night arraybolt3 & thanks for your work
[04:44] <arraybolt3> guiverc: thanks :) and thank you for noticing that bug, that could have caused a big mess otherwise
[04:45] <guiverc> :)
[06:02] <arraybolt3> labwc supports window snapping. The one feature I missed the most in Lubuntu may end up finally coming to fruition in 24.04.
[06:03] <arraybolt3> that is like, really happy. That alone would make Wayland support worth it.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/2046500
[15:35] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2046500 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Noble daily calamares installer does not honor existing partition table on 'Erase All'" [High, In Progress]
 Must be head down on dayjob for most of today tbh
 I am confused by that bug. Erase disk erases the disk. That wasn't the intention?
 I agreee with you Dan ..the report also mentions semantics - so maybe a misunderstanding ..also the installer always shows the proposed change after selection... (re @kc2bez: I am confused by that bug. Erase disk erases the disk. That wasn't the intention?)
[16:11] <tsimonq2> I assigned it simply so we made sure to address it, but I tend to agree.
[16:11] <tsimonq2> I mean, I'm all for UX making it easier to choose between the two.
[16:11] <tsimonq2> That being said, aren't we just confusing the heck out of the average joe, even already with ext4?
[16:11] <tsimonq2> That UX needs some cleanup, for laymen, while addressing this issue I thinl.
[16:11] <tsimonq2> *think
[16:11] <tsimonq2> Anyway, let's follow up on the bug too. :)
 I think the bug was more about the partition table so GPT vs MBR rather than the file system type but point taken about the UX there.
 I just need to get my head wrapped around it a little better so I can form an intelligent reply and appropriate questions.
[16:19] <tsimonq2> Same page, would be the same idea I think, then went on to address the general point. :)
[16:33] <Eickmeyer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/2046500/comments/3
[16:33] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2046500 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Noble daily calamares installer does not honor existing partition table on 'Erase All'" [High, In Progress]
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> Destroying the partition table could be tantamount to suicide for the system if, e.g., an EFI system, GPT -> MBR.
 Agreed, it should never go in that direction.
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> Same in a system that doesn't do EFI going MBR -> GPT. It'd be useless.
 Right. Erasing the current table and recreating it seems like what "erase" should be doing. The type offered should be what is compatible with the mode the system is booted in.
[16:44] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[18:23] <arraybolt3> re Cala bug: I came, I saw, I commented.
[18:25] <arraybolt3> I also think the bug report is very odd. He mentions an MBR partition table being preserved on BIOS systems, which I both highly doubt, and which I think would cause boot issues.
[18:26] <arraybolt3> er, an MBR table preserved on EFI systems I mean
 Marked as Won't Fix given all our discussion. Left a slightly salted comment saying as such heh
 arraybolt3: I was going to write a similar comment to yours but you already did it :) thanks for saving us time ;)
[18:32] <arraybolt3> Glad to!
 Thanks for your comment arraybolt3 and thanks for closing the loop @tsimonq2 You both wrote it more eloquently than I could.
 Thanks to you as well @Eickmeyer
 Quite welcome.
[20:25] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: lmk whenever you've tagged the new release of installer-prompt, my time today is limited and I'd like to help get that pushed out today before ~4:40 PM
[20:25] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: It's all good now?
[20:25] <arraybolt3> it's tagged?
[20:26] <arraybolt3> oh, probably only on the git.l.m side
[20:26] <tsimonq2> no I'm actually asking heh
[20:26] <arraybolt3> forgot we had tags there for a second
[20:26] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ah. Yes, it should be good now.
[20:26] <arraybolt3> I verified that whatever was locking up wasn't (directly) my fault.
[20:26] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Kay, doing the button pressing. Do you have upload access to that package in Ubuntu?
[20:26] <arraybolt3> believe so
[20:27] <arraybolt3> (ugh, over here ubuntu-upload-permission says no!
[20:28] <arraybolt3> so nevermind, I can't upload there.
[20:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: One last question for you, this'll be quick.
[20:28] <tsimonq2> Given semver, what version number shall this have?
[20:29] <arraybolt3> 1.1.0? The behavior changed in major ways but not in ways that one might consider "breaking" IMO.
[20:30] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I'm going to blindly take your word for it. Final answer?
[20:31]  * arraybolt3 checks the git log just to make very sure
[20:32] <arraybolt3> unless you consider the inability to change locale after installation starts (and thereby kill the installation) a breaking change, yes, final answer.
[20:32] <arraybolt3> otherwise there's no breaking new features.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Good enough for me. Thanks :)
[20:36] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/installer-prompt/releases/tag/1.1.0
[20:36] <arraybolt3> 🎉
[20:51] <tsimonq2> Oh, right, I was gonna upload that XD
[20:51] <tsimonq2> got sidetracked
[20:53] <tsimonq2> Running it through sbuild real quick to make sure Lintian doesn't shriek.
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Lintian: pass
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Fully clean.  :P
[20:59] <arraybolt3> 24 hours. From sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday CST.
[20:59] <tsimonq2> Got it. No worries, I'll claim "coverage" during then.
[20:59] <tsimonq2> Was just wondering if you'd be around for the ISO respin.
[21:00] <tsimonq2> (I mean, if Britney is fast, you just might be. That being said, I respect your wishes and won't ask you to push it; in fact, that's honestly a great idea.)
[21:00] <arraybolt3> oooooh openMSX just passed :D
[21:00] <arraybolt3> going to check Lintian and then shoot that your way
[21:02] <tsimonq2> sweeeeeeeeeeeeet
[21:03] <tsimonq2> "Always check on MoM."
[21:05] <tsimonq2> One Does Not Simply "Learn Perl" muahahaha
[21:06] <arraybolt3> (sigh, the maintainer also didn't make a change I told him to)
[21:06] <arraybolt3> that's OK though, I'll make it here.
[21:14] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openmsx/+bug/2044565
[21:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2044565 in openmsx (Ubuntu) "Merge openmsx from Debian" [Undecided, New]
 I likely will not get to this before you EOW, unfortunately :(
 I'll handle it tonight though