[17:02] <pleia2> sending out the meeting reminder for this evening reminded me that I was recently out with my fiance's colleagues and they kept going on about what "bi-weekly" meant
[17:02] <pleia2> ...even after googling for the answer and discovering that it could either mean twice a week or every other week
[17:02] <pleia2> it was funny for the first 10 minutes, then "ok seriously, stop" :)
[17:03] <grantbow> lol
[17:03] <pleia2> hey grantbow!
[17:03] <pleia2> was nice to see you yesterday :)
[17:03] <grantbow> u2!
[17:04] <grantbow> I did some edits on that doc and have much of an email drafted
[17:04] <pleia2> great
[17:04] <pleia2> I've been drafting a more personal blog post in my head about what it's feeling like to develop partimus past infancy
[17:04] <grantbow> :-)
[17:04] <pleia2> might get it out after the foundation center class on wednesday
[17:05] <grantbow> I think after the class you will realize just how much in infancy we are
[17:05] <grantbow> amazingly
[17:05] <pleia2> yeah, I expect so
[17:05] <grantbow> I hope others can join us
[17:06] <grantbow> if anyone here is interested in nonprofit "Grant Writing" http://grantspace.org/Classroom/Training-Calendar/San-Francisco/Proposal-Writing-Basics-2012-06-06-San-Francisco-CA
[17:07] <grantbow> our 8 years and strong programs" done on a shoestring position us very strongly for funding
[17:07] <MarkDude> True
[17:07] <grantbow> "programs"
[17:07] <grantbow> hiya MarkDude
[17:07] <MarkDude> Hey there
[17:08]  * MarkDude is catching up on backlog.Wants to set up a time soon for working on the laptops.
[17:08] <MarkDude> And asking for more laptops
[17:08] <MarkDude> We can get some money from taking non-working hardware to ECS
[17:08] <grantbow> the 20 from intuit or others?
[17:09] <MarkDude> Yep
[17:09] <pleia2> we have to close the loop with james and christian on them, I don't know where the are at the moment and what james wants to do install-wise (use old imaging server to just toss 10.04 on, go to 12.04?)
[17:09]  * MarkDude spoke with Christian on weekend
[17:09] <pleia2> james has been starting to look into 12.04
[17:09]  * grantbow tried :-)
[17:09] <grantbow> yeah
[17:09] <MarkDude> Whatever you folks decide is great. WHats the burnin or testing work like
[17:10] <grantbow> I haven't tested memory footprint on identical hardware yet
[17:10]  * MarkDude is gonna ask the board for title *geek at large* :)
[17:10] <pleia2> well, first there is the hardware analysis and makings ure they're all the same
[17:10] <grantbow> maybe we should look at xubuntu ;-)
[17:11] <pleia2> xubuntu \o/
[17:11] <pleia2> unity is cool, but xfce may make more sense giving where we are coming from on this
[17:11] <grantbow> before 10.04 partimus did some deployments of xubuntu
[17:11] <pleia2> yeah, I remember running into a few over the years :)
[17:12] <pleia2> 12.04 is a xubuntu lts for 3 years, so it certainly is an option
[17:12] <MarkDude> We could always use Sax Coffee for doing some installs. Plus, this area of Coco County has more donations we can get
[17:12] <grantbow> MarkDude: the 20 from intuit or others?
[17:13]  * MarkDude wants to get others. MORE
[17:13] <MarkDude> MOAR laptops
[17:13] <grantbow> I haven't heard if Christian has received them yet
[17:13] <MarkDude> There are some teachers at the schools that might need machines too
[17:13] <MarkDude> Not yet, from what he said
[17:13] <grantbow> k
[17:14] <pleia2> MarkDude: that's a bit far for us to to drag an imaging server :\ and is there really space to set up a network there?
[17:14]  * MarkDude should be able to get at least one RH machine donated.
[17:14] <grantbow> not really
[17:14] <pleia2> we probably want to stick to downtown SF since most of our volunteers and schools are in SF
[17:14] <MarkDude> Ubuntu running on a former RH machine soulds great
[17:15] <MarkDude> Thats what I assumed
[17:15] <grantbow> however if imaging servers can be deployed with juju... :-O
[17:15] <MarkDude> I figure we may end up doing a DVLUG meeting there.
[17:15] <pleia2> grantbow: haha, still need to bring lots of physical hardware to a coffee shop and set up a network, even if we can deploy them on the fly :)
[17:16] <grantbow> pleia2: yeah
[17:16] <MarkDude> The owners are willing to have laptops given to them to hold for us
[17:16] <grantbow> MarkDude: we'll see. How much do you want to volunteer for dvlug?
[17:16] <dragon> grantbow: `aws deploy ubuntu 12.04 amd64` :P
[17:16] <grantbow> dragon: +1
[17:16] <MarkDude> The idea of a small box of donation waiting for us sounds great
[17:16] <pleia2> we don't really have trouble finding space in SF, so I don't think making everyone drive out of the city makes a lot of sense :\
[17:17]  * MarkDude has decided that focusing on laptops is sumthin I am able to maintain
[17:17] <dragon> MarkDude: schedule permitting, count me in for installs!
[17:17] <dragon> as long as it's a party, I'm in.
[17:17] <MarkDude> Avoiding spreading myself to thin, by focusing on some of my strongpoints
[17:17] <pleia2> installs are really just plug system into network, pxeboot, make sure it installs :)
[17:18]  * MarkDude learned a fair amount from Free Geek and their laptop program
[17:18] <pleia2> (and fix anything that goes wrong along the way, bad hardware, etc)
[17:18] <MarkDude> Hardware. Thats a strongpoint of mine. Software, not so much
[17:18] <dragon> That PXE boot part has always excited me. Never got it to work at home.
[17:18] <grantbow> volunteer role - ubuntu installer :-)
[17:18] <pleia2> the install server has an image that sets all defaults, installs packages we need and all that
[17:19] <pleia2> the ones we have are still built for 10.04, but they work quite well
[17:19] <dragon> Install server needs to be the DHCP too, though.
[17:20] <MarkDude> Free Geek was doing work on deploying 12.04
[17:20] <pleia2> on the CACS network it was also the main server for the lab, so did DHCP as well as squid, dansguardian and all the stuff needed to run the network
[17:20] <pleia2> MarkDude: james howard is working on 12.04 for us
[17:20] <dragon> That'll make it easier to setup.
[17:21] <MarkDude> I should put James in toiuch  with Vagrant from FG
[17:21] <pleia2> dragon: yeah, it works really well :)
[17:21] <MarkDude> So when will the Unity or XFCE thing be sorted?
[17:21] <dragon> It'll be nice to have a ready-to-go image of a PXE server setup. (unless we've already got one)
[17:21] <pleia2> MarkDude: we don't really have an ETA
[17:21] <MarkDude> Fair enough.
[17:22] <pleia2> dragon: the ones we have are built for 10.04
[17:22] <dragon> pleia2: Can't they emit just any image?
[17:22] <pleia2> so still usable if we stick to 10.04, and we can for now, but we'll see how the 12.04 research goes
[17:22]  * MarkDude will work on formal letter to the board. I know that we have some high specs for laptops needed
[17:23]  * MarkDude thinks that P3's should not be used at the schools. BUT, those are decnt enough for giving to volunteers
[17:23]  * dragon reads up a little more on PXE boot.
[17:23] <pleia2> dragon: not really, config files change, as do package names, so a lot of little things need to be looked after when we go to try to ship with a much newer version
[17:23] <grantbow> dragon: school lab in a box https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zs4_G-hvTDho1K9lP4Nrcz3BqPdw7gIczESu5f7V114/edit
[17:24] <pleia2> particularly in this case since we're going from gtk2 and gnome2 to gtk3 and unity, also the java packages are all changed, so all our customizations and default apps need to be reviewed
[17:24] <MarkDude> Free Geek gets volunteers by giving hardware- more so stuff they dont sell. A big portion of their costs are covered by a few selcet items being sold - some in their store, more via online sales
[17:24] <grantbow> dragon: what's your gmail?
[17:24] <dragon> grantbow: aadityabhatia
[17:25] <dragon> grantbow: I have read access.
[17:25] <grantbow> if you want to edit it let me know
[17:26] <dragon> will do
[17:29] <MarkDude> When in doubt- always give dragon full access
[17:29] <MarkDude> :D
[17:30] <MarkDude> Oh, Christian and I are gonna go to the Community Manager Breakfast in SF
[17:31]  * MarkDude figures there are some great CMs there, and he will be able to get some more peers for helping in the mission :)
[17:31] <dragon> document looks good
[17:31] <MarkDude> Its like a secret Cabal type group. You have to be invited.
[17:31] <dragon> it'll be fun to upgrade to 12.04.
[17:31] <MarkDude> Christian will have the secret handshake
[17:32] <grantbow> http://t.co/GlS3S1Bk cool
[17:32]  * MarkDude would prefer we not use Unity. But only offers that opinion.
[17:32]  * MarkDude will be more than happy if we do go that route.
[17:32] <MarkDude> Im happy with *the grown-ups deciding* :D
[17:32] <dragon> What's the team's opinion on Gnome 3?
[17:33] <MarkDude> lol
[17:33] <pleia2> gnome-shell isn't supported in the LTS, so it's not really an option for us
[17:33] <dragon> Oh.
[17:33]  * MarkDude thinks Gnome 3 sucks slightly less than Unity, but KDE is the real winner in all of this
[17:34]  * MarkDude is predicting KDE has good things in store.
[17:34] <dragon> Perhaps that's why Gnome didn't load after I upgraded. (I didn't have time to figure, so powered off and moved on.)
[17:34] <dragon> MarkDude: too much eye candy could be blindening. :P
[17:34] <pleia2> dragon: well it should work :)
[17:35] <MarkDude> However it gets sorted, Im cool with it. KDE does not require you use ALL the widgets
[17:35] <grantbow> MarkDude: have you met Evan yet, the organizer of that meetup?
[17:35] <MarkDude> Yes-
[17:35] <pleia2> it's just not in main, so support for it isn't guarenteed to extend for the whole LTS perioud
[17:35]  * MarkDude has gone a few times
[17:35]  * dragon reverted his main machine to gnome-fallback, a partially upgraded version of gnome 2. That's on 11.04.
[17:35] <MarkDude> Evan rocks.
[17:35] <grantbow> cool
[17:35] <pleia2> MarkDude: our machines aren't powerful enough for KDE
[17:35] <dragon> s/11.04/11.10/
[17:35] <pleia2> it's really either Ubuntu or Xubuntu here
[17:36] <MarkDude> The group also has Sarah Manley, Jenna Langer, and some other names you may know
[17:36] <dragon> pleia2: fair enough. Works for personal use, but not a selling point.
[17:36] <pleia2> dragon: yep :)
[17:36] <MarkDude> pleia2, just let me know. MarkDude has no horse in this race. Happy to take orders here :)
[17:37] <pleia2> anyway, back to work and adventures for me, I'll be around this evening for our 7pm meeting
[17:37] <MarkDude> Cool
[17:37] <pleia2> MarkDude: yep, we'll let you know :)
[17:38] <grantbow> dnsmasq is the other D I was trying to think of yesterday!!!
[17:38]  * MarkDude wants to bring up the idea of having a picnic co-sponsered by Ubuntu Cali and local Fedora folks.
[17:38] <MarkDude> Unless that might be a hassle, in which case I am tottally fine with just droppping the idea
[17:39] <pleia2> er, isn't that what a geeknic is?
[17:39]  * MarkDude already has sponsorships maybe lined up. Money from non-distros
[17:39] <grantbow> money sometimes has strings
[17:39] <MarkDude> Yes pleia2 - I am really focused on commonalities
[17:39] <MarkDude> Money wont be taken if there are strings
[17:40] <akk> unless the strings are attached to festive balloons
[17:40] <MarkDude> Sponsors would be able to give SWAG or shirts with their logo
[17:40] <grantbow> akk +1
[17:40] <MarkDude> No talks, or anything
[17:40] <MarkDude> Give us the money, ALL you get is a THANK YOU :)
[17:41] <akk> and people wearing your shirts around advertising your company/distro
[17:41] <MarkDude> If this seems like a hassle, it can be tabled in order to keep it copacetic
[17:42] <MarkDude> With Linux Picnic being a nogo- I think we can put together a smaller event.
[17:42] <akk> Linux picnic is dead?
[17:42] <dragon> I think so.
[17:42]  * MarkDude is not really sure we need to have wifi at picnics- lol
[17:42] <akk> Did something bad happen last year?
[17:42] <MarkDude> akk - yes
[17:42] <grantbow> "it's not dead yet!"
[17:43] <grantbow> -- Monty Python
[17:43] <MarkDude> A true open Source project
[17:43] <dragon> akk: no, it's just a tad quiet, like before a tsunami.
[17:43] <MarkDude> its dead, no its not. Maybe it is
[17:43] <MarkDude> :D
[17:43] <pleia2> akk: as far as I know there just weren't volunteers this year, no one reserved the park or stepped up to lead it
[17:43] <akk> Wifi at picnics is way cool, in a completely unnecessary gilding-the-lily kind of way.
[17:43] <dragon> Yeah, they said the only reason to have wif was to be geeky.
[17:44] <MarkDude> its life notwithstanding- people can volunteer for tasks like that.
[17:44] <pleia2> (as I'm sure dragon can agree, it's a lot of work :))
[17:44] <dragon> It's not very useful anymore, given how we all are forced to pay for data plans with our smartphones.
[17:44] <MarkDude> I figure we need to work on our Frisbee skills as a group - more importatly lol
[17:44] <dragon> pleia2: +1
[17:44] <akk> dragon: forced? somehow I get by without one.
[17:45] <dragon> akk: Lucky you! AT&T?
[17:45] <akk> We finally got a mifi a few months ago, but haven't used it very much so far.
[17:45]  * MarkDude is hooked on data plans, Dropbox and syncing of pics and videos is such a time saver
[17:46] <akk> Been using the cr48 with its free 100M plan and can't seem to use that up, so don't have to dip into the prepaid mifi.
[17:46] <MarkDude> akk, maybe you need to start posting pics of cats, in order to use more data. You know- the IMPORTANT stuff XD
[17:47] <MarkDude> The internets always need MOAR catpics
[17:47] <akk> MarkDude: Yes, there's definitely a need for more cat pictures on the internet. :)
[17:47] <MarkDude> +infinity
[17:48]  * MarkDude now has people seeking him out to take pics of tehir cats, and add meme-like quotes
[17:48]  * akk has gotten some good snake pictures lately, but there seems to be oddly little demand for those
[17:48] <MarkDude> Now is the time for our evil plans.... etc
[17:48]  * MarkDude is interested in snake pics
[17:49] <akk> It's a good spring for snakes -- seeing them everywhere I go hiking. (harmless ones, not rattlesnakes)
[17:50] <MarkDude> Even rattle snakes are not bad
[17:50] <akk> Rattlesnakes are cool as long as I see them in time to keep my distance.
[17:50]  * MarkDude makes sure to make lots of noise - rattlers are nice and get out of your way when you do that
[17:51] <akk> Well, thumping, anyway ... they can't hear noise in general, no ears.
[17:51] <MarkDude> Yep, loud steps
[17:51] <akk> I've seen a few who were pretty laid-back and didn't move when I stamped, though.
[17:51] <MarkDude> and kick the weeds
[17:51] <MarkDude> Actually been forever since I seen one up close
[17:52] <akk> I see them maybe once a year, a lot less often than other snakes.
[17:54] <akk> And I've never seen one (in the wild) angry, rattling or coiling ... they're always just sunning themselves.
[17:55] <DonkeyHotei> reptiles are cold-blooded, so they have to
[17:55] <MarkDude> G is cold-blooded also. The 2nd choice for a nickname for him was the iceman
[17:56] <MarkDude> Since he has icewater running thru his veins
[17:56] <MarkDude> :D
[17:56] <MarkDude> DMFG works better tho, IMHO
[17:56] <DonkeyHotei> d'oh-mfg?
[17:57] <MarkDude> Dangerous MFing G
[17:57] <MarkDude> in the hizzouse
[18:00] <DonkeyHotei> sorry to say this: i'm not him, but if i were, i would probably have punched you by now for all the grantbow this and grantbow that
[18:00] <scientes> ....................
[18:01] <MarkDude> Sn9, like I stated earlier, he has icewater running in his veins
[18:01] <MarkDude> Ask the who's who in FOSS, and most will agree on the DMFG title
[18:01] <DonkeyHotei> i'm just glad it's not me
[18:02] <MarkDude> scientes, I am friends with both DonkeyHotei and grantbow . Its in good humor
[18:02] <scientes> ok, just making sure
[18:02] <MarkDude> DonkeyHotei, is one of the few that says, MarkDude is saying crazy shit? I can out do him
[18:02] <scientes> seemed to be getting alittle off-toic ;)
[18:02] <MarkDude> He does well at it
[18:03] <scientes> even for a social channel :D
[18:03] <MarkDude> scientes, fair enough. I just hope that people dont take me serious when I am participating in tomfoolery
[18:03] <scientes> jkjkjk
[18:04] <MarkDude> :D
[18:04] <DonkeyHotei> scientes: technically, #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic is supposed to be the social channel, but it is fail
[18:04] <MarkDude> Maybe if there were more folks that idled in #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic
[18:04] <MarkDude> Not really DonkeyHotei
[18:04] <scientes> DonkeyHotei, that is too much
[18:05] <MarkDude> We have had some FOSS discussions in there
[18:05] <MarkDude> The CoC still applies there, but we have more wiggle room to talk there
[18:06] <DonkeyHotei> of most of the related channels i can think of, this one tends to be the most social
[18:06]  * MarkDude likes talking about Fedora fails in there. There are numerous to talk about. Its not logged, thats good for talking freely about how to learn from fails
[18:10] <DonkeyHotei> at one point, i stayed in #ubuntu-us-fl for a while, and they're far more social than this channel
[18:14] <MarkDude> Yep - they are very social
[18:15] <MarkDude> Fedora's India channel is the most formal channel I idle in
[18:16] <MarkDude> It is practice there to preface EVERY sentence with the persons nick
[18:16] <MarkDude> When they have meetings, you can only speak after you type a !
[18:16] <MarkDude> and are called on
[18:17]  * MarkDude thinks that Cali Team has the best meetings. The flow works really well, and others could learn from it :)
[18:17] <scientes> MarkDude, holy moley
[18:17] <scientes> re: india
[18:18] <scientes> i've never seen formal IRC, i can hardly imagine it
[18:18] <MarkDude> Yep. There is a clear line dividing people there- usually at age 35
[18:18] <MarkDude> under they are more loose
[18:18] <MarkDude> Over, I always use folks titles when speaking to them
[18:19] <scientes> well thats just good practice
[18:21] <akk> In India, you mean?
[18:21] <akk> I don't really see that here -- CA is pretty informal at all ages.
[18:22] <scientes> sir
[18:22] <scientes> sir
[18:22] <DonkeyHotei> i don't feel comfortable around people who are that loose
[18:22] <scientes> what is your problem sir
[18:22] <scientes> sir
[18:24] <DonkeyHotei> i'm very asocial by nature and it takes a lot of energy and effort to dabble in socialization
[18:28] <MarkDude> You sirs and madams are correct
[20:22] <philipballew> Best tool to completely wipe someones hd so it can never be seen again?
[20:22] <scientes_> philipballew, dban
[20:25] <philipballew> alright. seems good enough scientes
[20:26] <MarkDude> dban.org
[20:26] <MarkDude> set it to level 7 I think for complete wipe
[20:26] <MarkDude> altho 3 passes apears to be decent
[20:30] <philipballew> yeah, got a core 2 laptop from a insurance agent. I can have it if I wipe it.
[20:34] <MarkDude> philipballew, for peace of mind- you can send link to them
[20:34] <MarkDude> It really helps professional folks feel safe with it
[20:34] <MarkDude> Even the folks in Canada that use the Royal Canadian MP version to wipe
[20:35] <MarkDude> Free Geek Vancouver does that
[20:35] <philipballew> Free Geek Auburn is about to as well
[20:36] <MarkDude> Hmmm, are they on the FG startup list?
[20:36] <philipballew> no, I have yet to do anything with this group I created 15 seconds ago. :)
[20:37] <MarkDude> Fair enough
[22:51] <MarkDude> grantbow, here is what I was talking about on Fri
[22:51] <MarkDude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
[23:10] <MarkDude> Does anybody know what channel does the LocoCouncil idle in ?
[23:12] <MarkDude> They only use U-meeting I guess. and are not in same channel otherwise?
[23:37] <pleia2> MarkDude: #ubuntu-locoteams
[23:38] <MarkDude> perfect pleia2
[23:38] <MarkDude> ty MarkDude has to make sure that folks know that I was the person behind the Twitter account
[23:42] <MarkDude> Cleaning up messes and such :)


[06:33] <RosieMOMA> Does anybody here use Blender for video editing?
[06:39] <RosieMOMA> I'm setting up a 2012 iMac with Ubuntu 20.04. I am coming back to content production after a decade away and used Final Cut Pro and other Mac pro apps. Now I am committed to the Linux journey. Trying to decide which video editor to use, Open Shot is not feature rich enough. Want to learn one of either KdenLive, ShotCut or Blender. Probs gonna get into Compositing down the track. Any advice? (Blender seems a big learning
[06:39] <RosieMOMA> curve but very powerful)
[06:45] <oerheks> and what effects do you miss in openshot? i find it pretty perfect myself
[06:50] <RosieMOMA> well I have not used it yet, just had a quick look, it seems to only have one track, am I wrong?
[06:50] <RosieMOMA> Seems to be designed for basic, I will want to get complex over time
[06:53] <corrinado[m]> KdenLive will be your best best
[06:55] <RosieMOMA> Playing with OpenShot - I see 5 channels
[06:57] <RosieMOMA> @corriando[m]  Thx for that. I have started checking it out. I fact I accidently have two copies of it and one works with my external mic the other does not.
[06:59] <corrinado[m]> OpenShot is nice. Don't get me wrong. I use it all the time for simple stuff. It has gotten pretty good over the last 3 years.
[07:01] <RosieMOMA> Thinking my brain might ache less if I just learn one app :-)
[07:10] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i prefer blender for video editing, i've used it for several years to that end, and it just keeps getting better.
[07:11] <sakrecoer[bpist]> it's probably the easiest part of blender to be honest, although there a few caveats like one would have to expect from any app
[07:13] <sakrecoer[bpist]> RosieMOMA if you plan on using the compositor in conjunction to it, my main advice is: cut the thing first, render to sequence of PNG images second and lastly pipe those images to your compositor
[07:48] <RosieMOMA> sakrecoer[bpist] Just had a quick play with Blender, not playing my clip straight off. KdenLive does. Gonna stick with Kdenlive. There are lots of video tutorials for it too.
[07:52] <sakrecoer[bpist]> RosieMOMA  never had that issue. kdenlive is neat too though, just a lot more basic.
[07:55] <sakrecoer[bpist]> it's worth noting that i always use the blender distributed by blender.org
[07:58] <sakrecoer[bpist]> the one from debian tends to be stable, but gets quickly outdated.
[07:59] <RosieMOMA> sakrecoer[bpist] Thanks for your comments, I think KdenLive is more intuitive and suits my learning style
[08:00] <sakrecoer[bpist]> RosieMOMA perfect!  :) that's all that really matters! have fun!


[00:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:10] <bluesabre> knome: yes, annoying bug, hard to debug, and gvfs related iirc
[00:13] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, would be good to announce the end of vivid
[00:13] <bluesabre> poor monkey
[00:14] <Unit193> Ubuntu 15.04 "Vivid Vervet" 16
[00:16] <bluesabre> flocculant: a2 might be worthwhile if I can get some releases/uploads done, but for now, not so much
[00:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: You may need to bump the version on your parole daily, no?
[00:20]  * bluesabre is scared to see what the number is at there
[00:24] <Unit193> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232848351/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.xfce4-power-manager_1.4.4+git-0~1974~ubuntu16.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[07:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: re a2 - ok, leave that final decision to you then, we'll be wanting to know w/c 18th Jan
[18:49] <knome> pleia2, i'm thinking we could move to using svg artwork for the website. what do you think?
[18:50] <pleia2> knome: you know better than I whether all (or majority of) the browsers would support it
[18:50] <knome> pleia2, it means around 2-2.5% of users won't see the artwork at all or as planned
[18:50] <knome> http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg
[18:50] <pleia2> ok
[18:51] <pleia2> what's the benefit?
[18:51] <knome> first, file size and leanness
[18:51] <pleia2> aren't those the same thing? ;)
[18:51] <knome> second, it's time to stop doing legacy things because some booooring old browsers do not support them
[18:51] <pleia2> story of your life, I'm sure
[18:51] <knome> and of course, svg is vector
[18:52] <knome> this affects the "featured" images the most
[18:52] <pleia2> are we planning on doing things where scaling matters?
[18:52] <Unit193> Hrm, even 8 doesn't support it?  Still likely acceptable enough.
[18:52] <knome> pleia2, what i just said
[18:52] <pleia2> ok
[18:53] <knome> and one thing we could support *better* is big resolutions
[18:53] <pleia2> yeah
[18:53] <knome> think: retina/ultrahd
[18:53] <pleia2> sounds good to me
[18:53] <knome> ok, i'll plan the required changes for the next deploy
[18:53] <knome> basically only the logo svg is something we need to change
[18:54] <knome> the rest come from wordpress already
[18:54] <knome> so it's just a matter of switching
[18:54] <pleia2> "Effective January 12, 2016, Internet Explorer 8 will no longer be supported on any version of Windows,"
[18:54]  * pleia2 looks at the calendar
[18:54] <knome> yep, but more people are still using it than IE9 or IE10 individually
[18:55] <pleia2> ok, well, if we get too many complaints, we'll just tell them not to use an EOL browser :P
[18:55] <knome> heh
[18:55] <pleia2> this is a nice site, thanks
[18:55] <knome> i don't think this will be an issue
[18:56] <knome> np :P
[18:58]  * genii sips
[19:50] <knome> aahhh, that was easier than i thought
[19:50] <knome> eg. no extra fuzzing
[19:50] <knome> now if wordpress only showed previews for svg images in the media manager :)
[19:51] <knome> will look at that later (probably today), now off for some food shopping
[20:19] <knome> pleia2, umm, should mod_rewrite work on the dev server?
[20:19] <pleia2> knome: look in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled directory
[20:19] <pleia2> I didn't set it up, don't remember if it's default or not
[20:20] <knome> apparently not
[20:20] <pleia2> can fix post current meeting if needed
[20:20] <pleia2> k
[20:20] <knome> wfm
[20:22] <Unit193> Is there a link to things yet?
[20:22] <knome> staging.xubuntu.org
[20:22] <knome> static.xubuntu.org is served from that server
[20:22] <knome> as is tracker.xubuntu.org
[20:22] <knome> and docs.xubuntu.org
[20:23] <knome> soon wiki.xubuntu.org
[20:23] <Unit193> Ah yes, that last one.
[22:07] <knome> pleia2, ping me when you are around
[22:24] <pleia2> knome: enabled rewrite
[22:24] <pleia2> I still need to go through the wiki doc to see what I need to enable
[22:24] <knome> thanks
[22:25] <knome> or you can give $somebody sudo rights and get on with it :)
[22:25] <pleia2> yeah, we haven't quite discussed who would help me admin the machine
[22:25] <pleia2> should do :)
[22:27] <knome> i'm available for that, but we obviously should talk about how we want to spread the maintaining
[22:27] <pleia2> but you're a web dev, and web devs spend all day chmod 777 everything
[22:27]  * pleia2 hides
[22:28] <Unit193> Hahah. :D
[22:28] <knome> sure...
[22:29] <knome> i've done my silly things for life already
[22:29] <pleia2> oh ok
[22:30] <pleia2> Adding user knome to group sudo
[22:30] <knome> thanks
[22:30] <knome> now if i only knew my password!
[22:30] <pleia2> haha
[22:31] <Unit193> pleia2: For ssh, pass auth enabled?
[22:32] <pleia2> Unit193: for now, but I set everyone up with ssh keys so no one is using them
[22:33] <Unit193> Nice.
[22:33] <knome> feel free to shut down pass auth
[22:33] <knome> i won't want to use it anyway
[22:33] <pleia2> k
[22:38] <pleia2> anyway, off now
[22:38] <pleia2> still allow root login, but only from my home IP (for backups)
[22:38] <knome> hf!
[22:38] <pleia2> I meant, the auth is off ;)
[22:38] <pleia2> not me
[22:38] <knome> oh
[22:38] <knome> haha
[22:41] <Unit193> Might be the only one that's not off mentally...
[22:42] <pleia2> we're all mad here
[22:43] <knome> yep!
[22:43] <knome> o/
[22:43] <knome> helloooo
[23:30] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:30] <bluesabre> knome: I'd feel bad if our site handled retina/ultrahd and xfce still did not :D
[23:31] <knome> bluesabre, boo hoo! :)
[23:32] <knome> bluesabre, any specific dokuwiki conf you are fond od?
[23:32] <knome> *of
[23:32] <bluesabre> knome: if it works, that's fine by me
[23:32] <knome> hah
[23:56] <sidi> A question for packagers
[23:56] <sidi> say xubuntu-desktop depends on Foo.
[23:56] <sidi> and then the package is updated, and the updated package no longer depends on Foo
[23:56] <knome> xubuntu-desktop depends on Foo.
[23:56] <sidi> will Foo be automatically purged on the next apt-get upgrade?
[23:56] <knome> there, i said it!!
[23:56]  * sidi whips knome with a power cord
[23:57]  * sidi keeps whipping heinously
[23:57] <bluesabre> sidi: nope
[23:57] <sidi> oh wait, this is not -offtopic
[23:57] <bluesabre> it will get purged with autoremove though
[23:57] <sidi> bluesabre, ok, so if I really wanted to make sure users dont have Foo, I should tell them to apt-get autoremove as well
[23:57] <sidi> thanks!
[23:58] <bluesabre> or use some combination of Conflict or Breaks to force it away... but don't do that
[23:58] <sidi> bluesabre, tell me more? :p
[23:59] <sidi> bluesabre, anyway i can tell my participants to remove that package. just was curious if it'd be automatic or not. no biggy if the new meta package is installed with the old package still there, i'm only cleaning up
[23:59] <bluesabre> sidi: yeah, that should be fine
[23:59] <bluesabre> install xubuntu 6.06, then upgrade each release up and have 5 music players


[09:43] <BobJonkman1> DarwinSurvivor: The topic should be editable by anyone
[19:02] <DarwinSurvivor> BobJonkman1: didn't know that, thanks


[04:15] <pavlushka> Morning guys!!
[06:06] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[06:12] <Kilos> hi pavlushka Ekushey and all others
[06:13] <pavlushka> Kilos, How are you?
[06:14] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[09:06] <pavlushka> hola everyone!
[10:21] <Kilos> whats the world coming to
[10:21] <Kilos> http://www.beopensource.com/2016/04/running-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows-video.html
[12:18] <pavlushka> o/
[15:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:27] <Kilos> england windies final
[17:23] <Kilos> oh my goodness. what a turnaround
[17:23] <Kilos> windies deserved that
[17:26] <Kilos> wb pavlushka
[17:26] <pavlushka> thank you Kilos
[17:27] <Kilos> windies won the cup
[17:27] <pavlushka> yeah, I am happy for them
[17:28] <pavlushka> both Man's and Women's, wow
[17:28] <pavlushka> the Women's winners were there, Its a great ceremony.
[17:29] <Kilos> Ekushey where are you?
[17:29] <Kilos> yes what a game
[17:30] <Kilos> right up till the last over everyone thought they would lose
[17:30] <pavlushka> I was just waiting.
[17:31] <pavlushka> with a hope for West Indies!
[17:34] <Kilos> fantastic last over
[17:34] <Kilos> very exciting
[17:37] <pavlushka> and Sammy's speech!


[12:08] <benji> I thought it was our CHR week, but henninge is in the #launchpad topic and https://dev.launchpad.net/MaintenanceRotationSchedule is out of date.  Anyone know?
[12:30] <gmb> benji: I thought what you thought. At least I did about two minutes ago, when I realised I'd forgotten to do any CHR stuff.
[12:30] <benji> :)
[12:32] <bac> good morning.
[12:34] <gmb> Morning bac. Welcome back.
[12:35] <bac> gmb: thanks.  i've been received into the hot, damp embrace of north carolina.
[12:35] <gary_poster> oops
[12:35] <gary_poster> again
[12:35] <gary_poster> hi bac!
[12:36]  * gmb starts skype, pretends he'd noticed that we were running behind
[12:36] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, call as soon as I see some sort of quorum
[12:36] <gmb> Why does Skype have to sign me in as "offline" all the time? *sigh*
[12:37] <gary_poster> heh
[12:45] <bac> o/
[12:55] <gmb> gary_poster: Completely forgot to mention: I need to step out shortly for at least a couple of hours to collect my car from the garage and pick up my wife from work. I'll work later this evening to compensate.
[12:55] <gary_poster> ok gmb, understood
[12:56] <gmb> This problem was brought to you by living out in the boondocks where bumpy roads have no respect for weakling suspension.
[13:01]  * gmb -> afk; back later
[13:07] <danilos> oh, devel is in RC, that's where my PQM messages have gone :)
[14:35] <bac> benji: are you the #launchpad contact today?
[14:36] <benji> bac: henninge was doing it until his EOD, which has apparently happened so yes
[14:37] <bac> benji: just noticed it was blank in the topic so thought i'd ask
[14:37] <benji> bac: thanks
[14:54] <bac> gary_poster: did you attend the YUI "tech sharing" event?  is it worth hunting down the archive?
[14:54] <gary_poster> bac, yes, and sadly, no. :-/
[14:54] <bac> well, your honesty will save me 45 minutes
[14:54] <gary_poster> :-()
[14:54] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:00] <gary_poster> CHR!
[15:03] <benji> bac: this was the one good thing I got out of the presentation: http://www.jsrosettastone.com/
[15:06] <bac> benji: that'll be handy when we switch to jquery!
[15:06] <benji> :)
[15:36]  * danilos -> out
[16:02] <gary_poster> CHR has a big backlog. :-/
[16:10]  * gary_poster can't stand it.  I did my CHR hour, and can't make myself do more.  hopefully we'll all catch up gradually
[16:10] <gary_poster> lunch
[16:26] <benji> doing as much as we can stand sounds like a good catch-up strategy
[19:20] <benji> ok, CHR time
[20:02] <bac> benji: did you leave any CHRing for me?
[20:03] <benji> bac: given that I'm still doing it, yes; you can take over for me now
[20:03] <bac> ok
[20:26] <bac> gary_poster: did you tend to RT feedback at all?  man there are a ton of them.
[20:27] <gary_poster> bac, I got to that at the end, and so I only did a couple before I decided that lunch would be great
[20:27] <bac> smart move
[20:27] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:32]  * bac wishes RT had a bulk edit interface...
[20:35] <gary_poster> hear hear
[21:43] <bac> why did curtis remove the nice review-projects.py ?


[02:23] <bigjools> Every time I add or change work items on a blueprint, it discards all the data the first time.
[02:36] <StevenK> bigjools: All data, or all changes?
[02:36] <bigjools> StevenK: changes
[02:36] <bigjools> so if I start at nothing, type a load, and hit the ok button, the lot gets lots
[02:36] <StevenK> work items backs on a cached property, so it's possible something isn't invalidating
[02:36] <bigjools> lost*
[02:36] <bigjools> I can paste the same thing in and next time it sticks
[02:38] <StevenK> Bleh, ISpecification.updateWorkItems does delete work_items from the property cache


[09:29] <Traurig> hello. my desktop background and all symbols are gone. dont know why. only a grey background and toolbars are left.
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> Traurig:  xfdesktop must have stopped working
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> for some reason try and start it in a terminaml'
[09:32] <Traurig> well_laid_lawn, Thanks now they are back. maybe it stored last running processes. I dont like this. can I stop this storage of last running processes for ever?
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure you can, one minute
[09:38] <well_laid_lawn> https://wiki.xfce.org/faq - and search for "the cool new"
[09:46] <Traurig> well_laid_lawn, Thank you, very much!
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[16:28] <zleapNB> hi
[16:28] <zleapNB> just a quick question, where does xubuntu store fonts or what program to do i use to install them please
[16:29] <zleapNB> i am trying to search for this information but asking here at the same time
[16:35] <zleapNB> i think i have sort of sorted it
[17:18] <zleapNB>  ok sorted it, will try and get some info on my website at some point
[18:03] <EleanorEllis1> I tried and failed to install the Native Client for Google Chrome but now, when I start Chrome, it says "You are using an unsupported command-line flag: --extensions-on-chrome-urls. Stability and security will suffer." How do I access the command line entry for the XFCE menu?
[20:39] <Krock> Hello there. Since a few days, my internet connection stalls after a few minutes after connecting to the wireless network. Using Xubuntu 16.04 with the BCM4318 PCI wireless card
[20:40] <Krock> a regular ping to <IP_ADDRESS> results in   58 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 58360ms
[20:40] <Krock> is anyone around who could help me - and - what kind of information do you need?
[20:41] <pleia2> I don't have a system with a broadcom card in it anymore, so I can't say for sure in 16.04, but at least in 14.04 the open source driver caused this behavior and I had to install the proprietary one
[20:42] <pleia2> I don't have exact instructions for this in 16.04, but that might help you get started
[20:42] <Krock> while looking through the Q&A pages the proprietary driver was not recommended to anyone, for being outdated and buggy
[20:43] <pleia2> it was buggy when I used it too, but at least it worked
[20:44] <pleia2> what do they suggest instead?
[20:47] <Krock> https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers#answer-67806
[20:47] <Krock> but that's again quite old, 2011
[20:58] <Krock> will try to install the STA driver
[21:50] <weyland1> Ubuntu 17.10 is shipping with wayland.  Does that mean Xubuntu will?
[22:09] <xangua> No, xfce is in the process of switching to gtk3 tho


[07:07] <sakrecoer> RT answered that krytarik has already been made admin, and should therefor reach out to the current admin for credentials... i don't really understand this answer tbh..
[16:10] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Yeah, didn't get a password mail - so back to square one..
[16:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: krytarik is admin for -devel only, not user
[16:39] <krytarik> zequence: Well, now I am for user too - only without password still.. :P
[16:50] <zequence> krytarik: Oh. Like an honorary titel, then
[16:50] <zequence> Sort of like being the Swedish king.
[16:51] <zequence> I'll check the rt ticket
[16:52] <sakrecoer> zequence: here is the one i found: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=24366
[16:52] <sakrecoer> but its from 2014 :D
[16:52] <sakrecoer> zequence: if you could jump in here maybe: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=28700
[16:52] <sakrecoer> that is the one i filed yesterday...
[16:53] <sakrecoer> also, hi guys!
[16:53] <sakrecoer> :)
[16:54] <krytarik> Hi sakrecoer.
[16:59] <zequence> sakrecoer: krytarik: I answered the ticket. Hopefully krytarik or myself will get a new password soon
[17:01] <sakrecoer> \o/


[01:06] <hallyn> is there a library to do things like btrfs subvolume list from c code (without defining and using the ioctls myself)?
[02:06] <hallyn> woohoo, found it
[03:25] <RAOF> hallyn: Oooh, what is it?
[03:26] <hallyn> RAOF: well to detect subvolume, just (st.st_ino == 256) && S_ISDIR(st.st_mode)
[03:26] <hallyn> detecting valid fs and creating subvolume snapshots, i'm using ioctls for, but it's not too bad.
[03:28] <RAOF> Ah, ok. That's less interesting than actually finding a library to do that.
[03:28] <RAOF> :)
[03:29] <hallyn> oh yeah.  which is unfortunate, as i'm having to copy struct definitions from btrfs-tools source into my program
[03:29] <hallyn> a btrfs-dev pkg would be nice
[10:18]  * ppisati -> workout (back later)
[11:36]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:46]  * rtg fixes quantal build problem. some doofus forgot to getabi after last startnewrelease
[12:48] <rtg> (which was me)
[14:01] <brendand> sconklin, hi
[14:02] <sconklin> brendand: what's up?
[14:02] <brendand> sconklin, understand you're chasing some regressions?
[14:03] <sconklin> brendand: yes
[14:03] <brendand> sconklin, we've got a system that won't boot with the -proposed kernel
[14:04] <brendand> sconklin, however my understanding is that the regressions you're looking at occur with the -updates kernel
[14:04] <bjf> brendand, P or Q ?
[14:05] <brendand> bjf, ours is in P, with 3.2 kernel
[14:06] <brendand> bjf, we're raising a bug right now
[14:06] <bjf> brendand, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~bradf/lp1169380/upstream-01/  try that kernel
[14:13] <brendand> bjf, as a side note, this system booted fine with -updates. possibility we're looking at an entirely different problem
[14:17] <bjf> brendand, yup, a test will help tell us
[15:21] <bjf> brendand, how did that kernel test go?
[15:25] <brendand> bjf, in progress
[15:50] <jodh> anyone have thoughts on what might be causing bug 1172322? I'm pretty sure it isn't upstart.
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172322 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel panic on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172322
[15:52] <rtg> jodh, can you get the whole trace ? I think the important part scrolled off the top.
[15:53] <jodh> rtg - it's gone I'm afraid - I had to get the machine online asap. sorry.
[15:54] <rtg> jodh, not much we can do until its a bit more repeatable
[15:54] <jodh> rtg: ack.
[16:11] <jsalisbury> infinity, do you happen to know who could look at this .deb to get it renamed?  bug 1172065
[16:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172065 in linux (Ubuntu) "12.04.2 incorrect file name signed efi amd6.deb" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172065
[16:16] <infinity> jsalisbury: Have you verified this?
[16:17] <jsalisbury> infinity, not yet
[16:17] <infinity> jsalisbury: Colin's looking now. :P
[16:17] <jsalisbury> infinity, cool, thanks
[17:11]  * ppisati -> EOD
[17:17] <Bhavesh__> hello.....I would like to know that what is the system call number for listen and bind in Ubuntu 32bit kernel?
[17:19] <Bhavesh__> can anybody help in system call?
[17:29]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:42]  * henrix -> EOD
[19:59] <rtg> bjf, I'm confused about 'fbcon: fix locking harder' for Quantal. From the bug reports it seems all of the feedback was using 3.2 (Precise)
[20:01] <bjf> rtg, yes, the subject line was wrong and was for Precise and not Quantal
[20:01] <bjf> rtg, the Quantal change went in yesterday
[20:02] <bjf> rtg, it was a different bug #
[20:02] <rtg> bjf, ah, I'm dyslexic
[20:02] <bjf> rtg, i didn't help
[20:03]  * rtg -> EOD


[02:27] <kenvandine> hey robert_ancell!
[02:29] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, hi!
[02:29] <robert_ancell> late night?
[02:30] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, just catching up with jamesh on some stuff
[02:30] <kenvandine> and decided to refresh my snap build of snapper :)
[07:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:18] <didrocks> good morning
[07:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:19] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:20] <oSoMoN> comment va?
[07:24] <flocculant> morning desktoppers - anyone know who'd be best to mention grub problems to - looks absolutely horrid - thought it was just me but I'm seeing other people complaining - here's a vid of what I'm seeing > here's hardware https://launchpadlibrarian.net/356178167/grub_menu.mp4 and changing options in a vm > https://launchpadlibrarian.net/357858777/grub.mp4
[07:24] <flocculant> thought the desktop people would be best first ask ;)
[07:24] <seb128> salut didrocks oSoMoN
[07:24] <oSoMoN> morning flocculant
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:24] <seb128> hey flocculant, try on #ubuntu-devel to slangasek or maybe xnox
[07:24] <flocculant> seb128: thanks :)
[07:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, plus matinal aujourd'hui ? ;)
[07:25] <flocculant> morning oSoMoN :)
[07:25] <oSoMoN> seb128, pas le choix… :)
[07:25] <seb128> hehe :)
[07:30] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, seb128, flocculant
[07:31] <flocculant> hey didrocks :)
[08:03] <duflu> Morning (again) seb128, didrocks, oSoMoN, flocculant
[08:03] <flocculant> :)
[08:03] <seb128> duflu, hey again :)
[08:12] <duflu> seb128, should I move "blocked" (on review) cards into Review?
[08:12] <seb128> duflu, yes please
[08:57] <willcooke> morning all
[08:57] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:58] <duflu> Which is ironic if I'm speaking for all, because it's not morning
[08:58] <duflu> Maybe that's not irony
[08:58] <willcooke> :)
[08:58] <willcooke> I'll allow it
[08:58] <duflu> Partial credit
[09:03] <Laney> yop yop
[09:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney!
[09:05] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, happy post ff friday!
[09:05] <seb128> how are you doing?
[09:05] <seb128> was "feel like -19°C" here this night, brrrr
[09:11] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128
[09:12] <Laney> i'm alright *now*
[09:12] <Laney> had a fun time last night fixing the heating
[09:12] <Laney> stupid beast from the stupid east
[09:12] <seb128> urg
[09:13] <seb128> wrong time to be without a working heating system!
[09:13] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:18] <Laney> hey duflu
[09:18] <Laney> laptop just froze :(
[09:18] <seb128> :/
[09:19] <Laney> Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No data available
[09:19] <Laney> you what
[09:19] <seb128> no persistant journal?
[09:20] <Laney> it's on
[09:20] <Laney> just not there
[09:20] <seb128> *:(
[09:21] <Laney> good time to upgrade to bionic I guess
[09:22] <seb128> hehe
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, btw did you see that the new gst base depends on libgraphite which needs a MIR then?
[09:23] <seb128> sorry
[09:23] <seb128> graphene
[09:23] <Laney> no not yet, was waiting for c-m-proposed to tell me stuff
[09:23] <seb128> k
[09:25] <Laney> it doesn't though
[09:25] <Laney> why is that
[09:29] <Laney> that pkg could probably go to universe at least for now
[09:31] <seb128> I guess
[09:32] <seb128> let me demote it
[09:34] <Laney> thanks!
[09:34] <Laney> du_flu might want to have that re-promoted for accel stuff but we could do that another time
[09:35] <seb128> right
[09:37] <Laney> man, people are watching the archive closely
[09:37] <Laney> got a build failure on gst-good/armhf
[09:37] <Laney> already retried, waiting to build, so no log :-(
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/359139689/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-armhf.gst-plugins-good1.0_1.13.1-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:39] <Laney> the culprit is unmasked!
[09:39] <duflu> Laney, to be fair, accel is broken until Mesa 18 lands. If you can beat that then only Wayland users will notice if gst is broken
[09:39] <Laney> wait how did you get that?
[09:39] <seb128> Laney, :)
[09:39] <Laney> the one in the mail is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good1.0/1.13.1-1ubuntu1/+build/14411939/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-armhf.gst-plugins-good1.0_1.13.1-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:39] <seb128> Laney, I looked at it earlier and was in my firefox history
[09:40] <Laney> o
[09:40] <Laney> it kills the redirect thing but not the actual object
[09:40] <seb128>  /usr/include/GLES3/gl31.h:77:25: error: conflicting declaration ‘typedef khronos_ssize_t GLsizeiptr’
[09:40] <seb128>  typedef khronos_ssize_t GLsizeiptr;
[09:41] <duflu> Because GL is awesome and you can bring your own header
[09:42] <Laney> that's going to fail again
[09:42] <seb128> yeah
[09:43] <seb128> changing location, brb
[09:43] <Laney> I remember this though, can fix it
[09:49] <duflu> Crap
[09:49] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1751414
[09:49] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1751414 in mesa-demos (Ubuntu) "[regression] Missing Wayland login option and missing GL acceleration, after installing libegl1" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:52] <duflu> willcooke, I am about to EOW but please see bug 1751414
[09:52] <ubot5`> bug 1751414 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[regression] Missing Wayland login option and missing GL acceleration, after installing libegl1" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751414
[09:52] <seb128> & back
[09:53] <duflu> Also seb128, please see bug 1751414
[09:54] <Nafallo> morning
[09:54] <seb128> duflu, it's weird, why a no change rebuild is hitting that bug?
[09:55] <seb128> duflu, but thanks for pointing it out
[09:55] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[09:55] <duflu> seb128, it's a dependency picked up at link time
[09:57] <willcooke> duflu, readomg
[09:57] <willcooke> reading
[09:57] <seb128> that's going to clear off itself with the update from proposed?
[09:57] <duflu> Hopefully, but I don't know which update... Mesa 18?
[09:57] <duflu> Maybe
[09:57] <seb128> right
[09:58] <willcooke> seb128, duflu - are you talking about that bug? "clear off itself"?
[09:58] <seb128> yes
[09:58] <duflu> willcooke, yes we suspect Mesa 18 might resolve it
[09:58] <duflu> Or hope
[09:59] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ do you know about those problems?
[09:59] <willcooke> t_jaalton & t_seliot were talking about something which sounds similar yesterday
[10:00] <seb128> duflu, anyway don't worry too much about it, it doesn't make our default session not usable so it's fine until we sort it out
[10:00] <tjaalton> seb128: something pulling in libegl1
[10:00] <tjaalton> like plasma-framework
[10:00] <duflu> seb128, it does make the default session almost unusable
[10:00] <seb128> duflu, what is pulling in libegl1 for you?
[10:00] <duflu> seb128, today's new mutter and mir
[10:00] <duflu> hours ago
[10:00] <seb128> tjaalton, ^
[10:01] <tjaalton> nothing I can do except maybe ask someone to badtest fpc so that glibc would migrate and unblock mesa
[10:01] <seb128> how did we end up in that situation?
[10:01] <tjaalton> beats me
[10:02] <tjaalton> the archive had an old libglvnd
[10:03] <seb128> tjaalton, new mir picked up mesa 18 from proposed
[10:03] <seb128> won a libegl1 depends
[10:03] <tjaalton> so these were built against libglvnd in proposed, and not having that version didn't block the migration to release
[10:03] <seb128> which I guess it's due to a mesa shlibs?
[10:03] <seb128> then migrated without it
[10:03] <seb128> if it was supposed to migrate together then the shlib should have a >= 18
[10:03] <seb128> or something
[10:04] <tjaalton> they don't depend on mesa
[10:04] <tjaalton> libegl1 is from libglvnd
[10:04] <tjaalton> but yes, didn't expect this to happen
[10:04] <seb128> same issue
[10:04] <seb128> they built against libglvnc 1
[10:04] <seb128> but migrated without it
[10:05] <seb128> so there is a depends that should have been versioned somewhere
[10:05] <seb128> I don't even understand why we have a libegl1 in bionic which doesn't work/screw things when installed
[10:05] <seb128> oh well
[10:05] <seb128> we need to move those transitions out of proposed now
[10:05] <seb128> that new stack has been quite complicated/problematic :/
[10:06] <tjaalton> bug 1714451
[10:06] <ubot5`> bug 1714451 in libglvnd (Ubuntu) "please remove libglvnd from the archive" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714451
[10:06] <tjaalton> that never happened
[10:06] <tjaalton> so I closed it
[10:07] <seb128> hum, k :/
[10:07] <seb128> how well, we are in that situation now
[10:07] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks for the info
[10:07] <seb128> duflu, willcooke, we can't do much out of waiting for glibc/mesa to migrate out of proposed
[10:07] <seb128> which hopefully happens today
[10:08] <duflu> And now I'm being criticised for not responding to a bug I wasn't subscribed to. Wonderful way to end the week
[10:08] <duflu> But I should end
[10:08] <duflu> (that's a libinput bug)
[10:08] <seb128> duflu, which one?
[10:08] <tjaalton> fpc tests would need to be reworked somehow, so I don't think just retrying these would help
[10:08] <seb128> ah
[10:08] <duflu> Night all
[10:09] <Nafallo> gnight duflu
[10:09] <seb128> duflu, have a good w.e!
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, do you think you could have a look to bug #1752803? I got too busy yesterday and didn't manage to upload the improvements from Marco before ff :/
[10:45] <ubot5`> bug 1752803 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "[ffe] use locate informations in the search provider" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752803
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, also bug #1752472
[10:45] <ubot5`> bug 1752472 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "[ffe] Implement an Ubuntu Single Sign-on Provider" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752472
[10:58] <Laney> fixing gst atm, will look in a bit
[11:00] <seb128> thx
[11:14]  * didrocks is running G-S 3.27.91
[11:15] <Laney> hax0r
[11:15] <seb128> it builds, ship it!
[11:15] <seb128> :p
[11:15] <didrocks> it even runs for at least 80s without crashing
[11:15] <didrocks> 81 now
[11:15] <didrocks> 82
[11:15] <didrocks> 83
[11:16] <didrocks>  ;)
[11:16] <didrocks> the new keyboard works after a limited tested
[11:16] <didrocks> my color choice could be better, but we can refine
[11:16]  * didrocks is going to fix 2 warnings due to ubuntu-dock
[11:21] <seb128> cool
[11:23] <didrocks> let's see how it goes, I'll run it for today a little bit more and we'll see next week when to upload (once the current transitions are done)
[11:24] <seb128> sounds good
[11:25] <seb128> the gnome-desktop transition cleared today so it's moving in the right direction
[11:25] <didrocks> nice!
[11:39] <willcooke> didrocks, if you're making changes to G-S, is it worth looking at this today as well?
[11:39] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1751484
[11:39] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1751484 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Captive portal browser/device misreported" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:40] <didrocks> willcooke: do you know what browser this is?
[11:40] <didrocks> I think the captive portal is a firefox session, correct?
[11:40] <willcooke> I just had a look, and I think we can "just" change a setting inside portal-help/main.js
[11:40] <didrocks> outside of G-S
[11:40]  * didrocks looks
[11:40] <willcooke> didrocks, no I think it's a webkitview
[11:40] <didrocks> ahhhh portal
[11:41] <willcooke> I /think/ inside PortalWindow, we need to get the settings of the webView and then use webkit_settings_set_user_agent ()
[11:41] <willcooke> I was looking at it just now
[11:42] <willcooke> I have an idea, but I'm struggling to understand how to get at the Settings via JS
[11:42] <willcooke> around line 147
[11:42] <didrocks> willcooke: I'm even usure how we can check the fix though
[11:42] <willcooke> didrocks, I've got a portal here (well, someone has) I can test
[11:42] <willcooke> and then I was going to use wireshark to sniff it
[11:43] <willcooke> actually, after 148
[11:45] <didrocks> willcooke: your issue is testing it, correct?
[11:45] <didrocks> like inspect the properties and settings of the js object dynamically?
[11:46] <Laney> I think in bionic it contains Ubuntu already
[11:47] <didrocks> ok, I tried to instantiate it in the current process via looking glass
[11:48] <didrocks> and creating the object locks up the Shell
[11:48] <jbicha> good morning
[11:48] <didrocks> hey jbicha
[11:50] <jbicha> webkit2gtk has a new useragent string thing but I haven't figured out the right syntax yet to get it actually working
[11:50] <jbicha> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-webkit/webkit.git/commit/?id=042abb234
[11:51] <jbicha> it's been on my to-do list to try different things until I get it to stick
[11:51] <Laney> ah it doesn't work?
[11:51] <jbicha> not sure if that's the same issue you're talking about or something different
[11:52] <Laney> that sounds like a good way to fix it
[11:52] <jbicha> I'm pretty sure that the Captive Portal doesn't identify itself as Safari, it could be some website "interpreting" user agents :(
[11:53] <jbicha> ok, I guess you can assign it to me and I'll try to figure it out this weekend
[11:54] <jbicha> didrocks: can you push your gnome-shell to the GNOME3 Staging PPA?
[11:55] <didrocks> jbicha: sure, let me finish testing a build with my rebased patch for g-c-c
[11:55] <didrocks> jbicha: btw, I think for g-c-c, you can push to master directly
[11:57] <didrocks> jbicha: done
[11:57] <willcooke> ARRRRRRGH
[11:57] <willcooke> sorry didrocks, back now
[11:57] <willcooke> Internet died
[11:58]  * willcooke reads logs
[11:58] <willcooke> logs aren't up to date yet
[11:58] <willcooke> ohh
[11:58] <willcooke> also #endmeeting
[11:58] <didrocks> :p
[11:58] <didrocks> jbicha: hum, g-c-c needs a newer meson apparently
[11:59] <jbicha> didrocks: grab it from bionic-proposed
[11:59] <didrocks> doing
[12:02] <willcooke> k, logs updated
[12:02] <willcooke> I'll sniff it on bionic now and report back
[12:03] <jbicha> didrocks: I just pushed a couple commits to our gnome-shell branch
[12:06] <didrocks> jbicha: argh, I as doing this as well
[12:06] <didrocks> ok, conflict now
[12:07] <didrocks> ok, was mostly the same change (for libnm)
[12:07] <didrocks> do you reupload a version to the ppa or should I?
[12:08] <didrocks> hum, you should version the nm dep for backports
[12:08] <didrocks> and the build-dep is missing
[12:08]  * didrocks fixes
[12:08] <didrocks> your version will still FTBFS
[12:08] <didrocks> (weird that libmn-* and glib ones don't dep on libnm-dev)
[12:21] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, my g-c-c sound patch rebase is working
[12:22] <didrocks> found another regression (maximize don't work), will add it to your bug if it's not already
[12:22] <didrocks> and pushing the changes to the master branch
[12:30] <jbicha> didrocks: Maximize works fine for me…
[12:30] <jbicha> I'm using Ambiance if that makes a difference
[12:36] <didrocks> jbicha: I'm using the daily image, adding g-c-c
[12:37] <didrocks> weird, but to be confirmed then, can be related to vm resolution
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, does it work on other csd softwares?
[12:38] <didrocks> seb128: It did with gedit for me
[12:38] <seb128> k
[12:38] <seb128> well, minor issue and easy to tests/look at later on if needed
[12:38] <didrocks> (which I started right away)
[12:38] <didrocks> yeah
[12:46] <willcooke> didrocks, jbicha - looks like I'm seeing this in Bionic:  User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0 Safari/605.1.15\r\n
[12:48] <didrocks> seems like jbicha has investigated it a little bit. Sad that we can't instantiate the webview without crashing the Shell in the same process
[12:48] <didrocks> that would make the property to set way easier
[12:49] <willcooke> heh
[12:50] <willcooke> I'm also seeing conn-checker do the look up to connectivity-check.u.c
[12:50] <willcooke> and also one to nmcheck.gnome.org
[12:50] <didrocks> oh, interesting
[12:50] <jbicha> the Safari part is intentional; that's how webkit works
[12:50] <willcooke> I think that second one is probably what it does to actually get to the portal login page
[12:51] <jbicha> sort of like how Internet Explorer has Mozilla in its user agent :(
[12:51] <jbicha> what's missing is that it should also say Ubuntu
[12:51] <jbicha> (at least that's what Fedora is doing)
[12:51] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah, like the Firefox one... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64) etc
[12:52] <jbicha> yes it will look sort of like that
[12:52] <didrocks> So, Fedora has a patch we can cherry-pick?
[12:52] <Laney> we have the patch
[12:52] <Laney> it's just not being instansiated properly
[12:52] <didrocks> (btw, I think we shouldn't hardcode ubuntu, but rather read /etc/os-release)
[12:53] <Laney> that's what jbicha said he was going to work on
[12:53] <jbicha> I think the Safari part is there because some web sites have quirks for webkit but they wrongly sniff for "Safari" :( so it's generally better for users to include Safari in the useragent
[12:53] <willcooke> I added some comments here:  https://trello.com/c/dxhWtGV6
[12:53] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah, I dont think we can move too far away from what is already there, random stuff would break
[12:53] <jbicha> mcatanzaro told me "I don't think you can pass the flag to CMake like that... it's a preprocessor define, not a CMake argument
[12:54] <jbicha> Try adding it to CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS instead. Or the CPPFLAGS envvar. (It's really only needed by the preprocessor, but there is no  CMAKE_CPPFLAGS.)"
[12:56] <jbicha> didrocks: I just pushed the avatar upgrade patches to our g-c-c bzr. I can upload this & g-shell to the Staging PPA now if you like?
[12:57] <didrocks> jbicha: I have already uploaded g-s to the staging PPA with latest changes
[12:57] <didrocks> but yeah, feel free to upload g-c-c :)
[12:57] <Laney> yeah, or adding an option in the patch would let you use -D in the cmake invocation
[12:59] <Laney> (with add_define or whatever it is)
[13:02] <jbicha> didrocks: done, the only other g-c-c issue for me is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/3 which is a pain
[13:03] <didrocks> yeah, I read it on your bug report…
[13:04] <jbicha> no reaction from GNOME yet, I guess I'll try again
[13:08] <seb128> jbicha, seems easy to do a g-i-t upload to exclude that icon
[13:08] <seb128> no?
[13:09] <jbicha> seb128: yeah, I guess that was basically my #2 (except GNOME Design may not want to do it upstream)
[13:10] <seb128> well, that would unblock us in Ubuntu easily
[13:10] <seb128> still worth resolving upstream, but meanwhile...
[13:28] <oSoMoN> seb128, jbicha: against which project shall I file that feature request to allow searching apps by their names in several languages? gnome-shell?
[13:28] <jbicha> yes
[13:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, just for the record, that 's something we discussed in the past and didn't agree was a good idea ... but doesn't hurt to see what upstream thinks
[13:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, or you would need a way to configure what languages you want to enable, not a common option/unsure what that would fit in the UI
[13:31] <oSoMoN> seb128, interesting, are there logs of those discussions?
[13:31] <oSoMoN> yeah, you would need a way to select which languages you're interested in I guess, that's not a trivial on/off switch
[13:32] <oSoMoN> or it could default to enabling search for all compiled locales
[13:33] <seb128> oSoMoN, if you enabled to search by english description by default then a french user who has no clue of english would get confuse about why his input returns things he had no idea exist
[13:33] <seb128> like you want to find you baguette and type "bag"
[13:33] <seb128> and your sac is listed
[13:33] <seb128> wth :p
[13:34] <kenvandine> we just need to default to french :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> problem solved
[13:34] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:34]  * didrocks updates the seeds
[13:34] <seb128> except oSoMoN tries to pretend he's not french :p
[13:34] <kenvandine> lol
[13:34] <seb128> hey kenvandine, happy friday!
[13:35] <jbicha> kenvandine: so they got to you too? :(
[13:35] <kenvandine> seb128, happy last day before sprint!
[13:35] <jbicha> lol
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> time to cram
[13:36] <seb128> oSoMoN, I don't know, it has been a while and I know we discussed that a couple of time on IRC
[13:36]  * kenvandine just checked the currency conversion... if i want to get out $100 in cash when i get there, i need to 25493 florint
[13:37] <kenvandine> i remember going to the ATM the first time i went to budapest and was in shock at the minimum withdrawal :)
[13:37] <oSoMoN> I'm not pretending, I'm forgetting how to be French :)
[13:39] <oSoMoN> how much on average does a beer cost in florints is the important question I need to answer before Sunday
[13:44] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, it's been a while, but last time i was there i think it was less than $2
[13:44] <kenvandine> so maybe like 500 forint
[13:47] <mdeslaur> yeah, I remember less than $2 too
[16:09] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, got any luck to check that nautilus ffe? :)
[16:10] <Laney> I'm going to, don't worry.
[16:12] <kenvandine> seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/Ubuntu/gnome-software/merge_requests/1
[16:13] <kenvandine> seb128, could you please review?
[16:14] <seb128> kenvandine, is the string coming from m_pt?
[16:14] <kenvandine> seb128, yes, it's what he wanted me to change it to back when we SRU'd the classic snap installation fix
[16:14] <kenvandine> but it would have required translations
[16:15] <seb128> kenvandine, unsure what you are asking for. The code change is trivial, the string comes from design and I'm not an upstream g-s hacker so can't approve it for upstream commit
[16:15] <seb128> looks good to me
[16:15] <kenvandine> no... this is to our branch :)
[16:15] <kenvandine> the Ubuntu group
[16:16] <kenvandine> you should be able to approve it
[16:16] <kenvandine> if not, our setup is wrong :)
[16:16] <seb128> oh ok
[16:16] <seb128> btw I don't like the string much
[16:16] <kenvandine> :/
[16:16] <seb128> but if it comes from m_pt I'm not going to argue :p
[16:17] <kenvandine> :)
[16:17] <seb128> I'm just not sure that "home folder" speaks to non tech users
[16:17] <seb128> I would have said "your user directory" or something
[16:18] <Laney> your files
[16:18] <seb128> or that
[16:18] <seb128> mpt, do we use "home folder" in other places? is that a thing users are familiar with?
[16:22] <mpt> seb128, both Nautilus and the filepicker label it “Home”, with tooltip “Open your personal folder”, so … kinda?
[16:25] <mpt> And Ubuntu’s “How to back up” help topic says “…it is best to back up the entire Home folder”
[16:25] <seb128> mpt, ok, I'm using a locale that translate it in a way that makes it look less weird
[16:25] <seb128> I was just checking
[16:25] <seb128> wfm
[16:26] <mpt> Translations are allowed to be more elegant than the original. :-)
[16:30] <seb128> :)
[16:31] <mpt> Oh, I just read up … I’d forgotten about that string. This week I wrote something similar for a different context: “This app is unconfined. It can access all personal files and system resources.”
[16:33] <seb128> that sounds better to me
[16:33] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ wdyt?
[16:36] <jbicha> didrocks: can we upload gnome-shell to bionic now? my thinking is that I want to get it down before the evolution transition and I'm concerned about there being a beta freeze next week
[16:36] <didrocks> jbicha: I don't notice any issues on my end, but I would like a little bit of more battle testing
[16:37] <didrocks> so ideally, Monday morning, which enables us to fix any followup issues
[16:37] <didrocks> also, we need an approved FFe
[16:37] <jbicha> if I flip the order and there's any reason why evolution gets stuck (glibc not migrating yet looks most likely?) than gnome-shell will be stuck too
[16:38] <didrocks> I still don't think we should rush in, I'm really near EOW, it's been tested for only half a day, got 0 releases since 2.26 cycle…
[16:38] <didrocks> 3.26*
[16:38] <Laney> I'd file one FFe for all of 3.28
[16:39] <didrocks> jbicha: have you done that already? ^ It seems paperwork first in any case :)
[16:39] <jbicha> didrocks: it's been tested by other people before today ;)
[16:39] <didrocks> jbicha: with the bionic stack?
[16:39] <jbicha> didrocks: yes, it's been in the gnome3 staging ppa all week
[16:40] <didrocks> jbicha: ? I've redone a whole update, refreshed patches and so on because the VCS wasn't updated? :(
[16:40] <jbicha> didrocks: I'm sorry we duplicated work then :(
[16:41] <jbicha> I wish we were using git where it's easier to have separate branches
[16:41] <didrocks> so, you already ported all the patches and such?
[16:41] <jbicha> I wasn't happy that I created a bionic branch for NetworkManager than was named inaccurately for several months this cycle
[16:43] <didrocks> if someone is monitoring the transition over the week-end and be ready to fix any failthrough, that's fine by me (once the FFe is done and acked)
[16:43] <jbicha> didrocks: yes :( https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-staging/+packages?field.name_filter=gnome-shell&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=bionic
[16:45] <didrocks> sounds like it was without the sound patch though
[16:46] <jbicha> yes and without updated theming
[16:46] <kenvandine> seb128, mpt that does sound better!
[16:46] <kenvandine> mpt, app or application?
[16:48] <mpt> I guess “application” while Gnome still uses that, but pretty sure people nowadays will understand either
[16:48] <didrocks> and no patch cleaned up with function()
[16:48] <kenvandine> mpt, agreed
[16:48]  * kenvandine changes :)
[16:52] <kenvandine> seb128, new MR up for review
[16:55] <jbicha> Laney: was LP: #1752928 sort of what you had in mind?
[16:55] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1752928 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[FFe] GNOME 3.28" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752928
[17:12] <Trevinho> kenvandine: hey, speaking of the gitlab ubuntu group, what's the outcome then?
[17:13] <Trevinho> as there was some discussion about not using groups from upstream
[17:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: (hey too! :)) was also part of that discussion iirc, right?
[17:13] <didrocks> Trevinho: I wasn't invited to the meeting
[17:14] <didrocks> so, unsure
[17:15] <Trevinho> ack
[17:20] <jbicha> didrocks: I did the function() clean up too, the good news is how similar our work was :|
[17:21] <didrocks> use the VCS luke ;)
[17:24] <kenvandine> Trevinho, basically everyone was supportive of us using it
[17:25] <Trevinho> ah ok
[17:25] <kenvandine> Trevinho, but they will likely reorganize groups at some point
[17:25] <Trevinho> so I can use for the extension too?
[17:25] <kenvandine> yes
[17:28] <didrocks> Trevinho: I pinged you on github btw, please answer the extension author :)
[17:28] <didrocks> (pinged you yesterday evening IIRC)
[17:29] <Trevinho> ah, ok... sorry but i've too many github notifications on these days, filtering them isn't the easiest thing
[17:48] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers!
[17:49] <willcooke> see ya seb128
[17:49] <seb128> willcooke, see you in budapest :)
[17:49] <willcooke> yay
[17:51] <jbicha> no irc desktop team meeting next week, right?
[17:56] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah most likely
[17:56] <Laney> bye seb128
[17:56] <Laney> safe trip
[17:57] <willcooke> jbicha, once the agenda becomes clearer I'll let you know, if you're around for some hangouts that might be useful for all of us
[17:57] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone, see ya in Hungary
[18:19] <Laney> safe travels dawgs
[18:30]  * willcooke EOW too
[18:30] <willcooke> night all


[07:05] <vanguarde9> Hello hackers
[07:06] <vanguarde9> I have simple upstart script
[07:06] <vanguarde9> but its not working as it should
[07:06] <vanguarde9> can somebody point me what can be wrong ?
[07:06] <vanguarde9> http://pastebin.com/b0vydm7j
[07:07] <vanguarde9> Im using variable $PORT in it
[07:07] <vanguarde9> when I make echo $PORT >> some file
[07:08] <vanguarde9> Its properly wrintten into file
[07:08] <vanguarde9> but when I use it as argument , aplication fails to start
[07:10] <vanguarde9> Also any suggestion to improve this upstart service are welcomed
[07:14] <vanguarde9> I used upstart 0.6.5 from Centos 6
[10:55] <ion> vanguarde9: An Upstart job instance won’t track two processes. Also, “expect fork” might not match the exact forking behavior of the program even with one process. It might be better to avoid forking altogether.
[18:09] <Tv`> I can't seem to get "start on file" to work in 13.04
[18:10] <Tv`> what can i do to debug it? i see upstart-file-bridge activity in strace when i fiddle with the files, but it doesn't seem to trigger the event
[18:22] <Tv`> okay so now i can trigger it manually, but postfix delivering mail into a maildir doesn't trigger it.. curious
[18:24] <Tv`> let's do the same link trick as proper maildir delivery does..
[18:24] <Tv`> linkat(AT_FDCWD, "tmp/foo", AT_FDCWD, "new/sdfsdfdsgg", 0) = 0   <-- doesn't trigger it :(
[18:24] <Tv`> it's watching new/
[18:35] <Tv`> inotifywait on the dir reports a create happily :-|
[19:08] <Tv`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/1211472
[20:48] <ianco> hey all :) Im just getting started with upstart, im wondering how I can best handle doing a hot restart for a service
[20:49] <ianco> normally, id just create a hot-restart command in my sysV init script. but can i handle this with upstart in a better way?
[20:49] <Tv`> ianco: what would the hot-restart command do?
[20:51] <ianco> hot restart is probably the wrong description. in this case, its for haproxy and it would be more of a graceful restart command
[20:51] <ianco> it would use the -sf optins
[20:51] <ianco> *options
[20:53] <ianco> basically, stop listening without breaking existing connections, for new config or even new version after upgrade
[20:53] <ianco> really though, im just not sure how best to let upstart would handle something like that, or even if it should handle it
[20:53] <Tv`> that gets into mucky territory
[20:53] <Tv`> as the old instance will still be running
[20:54] <Tv`> and you'd want to start the new instance
[20:54] <ianco> yeah, it would likly require be a series of commands
[20:55] <Tv`> i've always managed that on the LVS level
[20:55] <ianco> so, not really something upstart would handle normally?
[20:56] <Tv`> i am no authority on upstart
[20:56] <Tv`> but i'd say it used to work only because pidfiles and all such are so fuzzy, and upstart bookkeeping is more strict (& correct)
[20:57] <ianco> ah, i see
[21:12] <Tv`> oh well, bug filed, workaround implemented, time to move on
[21:35] <ikarius> hullo.  I'm trying to put together an upstart task, and unfortunately, I've run into an area I don't think the cookbook covers.  I've got a "task" type service, which needs pre-start, start and pre-stop methods
[21:36] <ikarius> the pre-start and script stanzas are working fine, but then when I call stop, it complains of "unknown instance".  I've declared it a task, so it should know that there's nothing running long-term for it to track, it should just kick off the "pre-stop" stanza
[21:36] <ikarius> what else am I missing?


[02:34] <bgs100> Night
[03:43] <rozbeh_> hello....could someone help me with a very basic question please?
[03:46] <nhandler> rozbeh_: No need to ask in here as well
[03:49] <swoody> rozbeh_: feel free to ask :)
[03:50] <nhandler> swoody: I'm helping him with it in -launchpad right now ;)
[03:50] <swoody> pizza_the_hut: awesome nickname by the way! It makes me want to change mine to Prince Valium ;)
[03:50] <swoody> nhandler: gotcha :)
[04:06] <pleia2> and I shall be pvespa2
[04:08] <swoody> lol :)
[04:11] <swoody> of course Bodhi would be Lonestar ;)
[04:56] <pizza_the_hut> thx
[04:57] <pizza_the_hut> may the schwartz be with you
[04:58] <nhandler> lol
[10:31] <man0riaX> Morning everyone
[12:11] <Akos> hi nhandler
[12:14] <nhandler> Hey Akos
[17:00] <ZachK_> hello tykaju
[17:01] <tykaju> hello
[17:03] <ZachK_> tykaju: and how are you today?
[17:03] <tykaju> well and you ?
[17:03] <ZachK_> Ok.....
[17:03] <ZachK_> tired though...not been to bed yet
[17:05] <tykaju> how it's there ?
[17:05] <ZachK_> ok i guess
[17:07] <tykaju> what time it's there ?
[17:08] <ZachK_> eleven am
[17:09] <tykaju> ok ... here it's 4 pm
[17:10]  * ZachK_ works night shift
[17:11] <transformers> yes hello
[17:11] <transformers> Bodsda, yo
[17:11] <transformers> paultag, YO!
[17:13] <ZachK_> transformers: please do not ping multiple people at one time
[17:13] <transformers> ZachK_, YO'
[17:13] <ZachK_> transformers: yes?
[17:13] <transformers> hi
[17:13] <ZachK_> hi
[17:13] <Bodsda> hi
[17:13] <Bodsda> im off out im afraid
[17:14] <ZachK_> latah Bodsda
[17:14] <Bodsda> bye
[17:26] <paultag> yo transformers
[17:44] <transformers> paultag, how are you pal?
[17:45] <transformers> ima follow u on twitter
[17:57] <paultag> transformers, Thank you :)
[17:57] <paultag> transformers, I'm not bad, how are you?
[17:58] <transformers> good.
[17:58] <transformers> paultag, can you do me a favor?
[17:58] <transformers> tell me what this means
[17:58] <paultag> transformers, sure
[17:58] <transformers> Dear #SandraBullock, I feel even worse for you that you're locked up in your own house. Don't be a prisoner to your husband's indiscretions!
[17:58] <paultag> Ha!
[17:59] <paultag> transformers, are you a native english speaker?
[18:01] <paultag> transformers, in simple enlgish it means "I feel bad you are stuck in your own house, don't be stuck there because of your husband's screwups
[18:03] <ZachK_> go paultag!
[18:03]  * ZachK_ runs away before anybody catches him
[18:03] <transformers> lol
[18:04] <transformers> thanks paultag
[18:04] <paultag> yipyip
[18:14] <AJH101> hello is it possible for ubuntu and ubuntu studio to share the same home partition?
[18:15] <swoody> AJH101: yes, you can have them installed on the same root partition, too :)
[18:15] <paultag> AJH101, were you here asking this the other day?
[18:15] <swoody> have them both installed, and choose which one to boot into at login rather than dual-booting
[18:15] <paultag> AJH101, I could have sworn I answered this one :/
[18:16] <paultag> swoody, kinda ;)
[18:16] <paultag> swoody, with Studio, you need a low latency audio system ( JACK ), and Ubuntu uses pulse
[18:16] <swoody> paultag: what do you mean? is -studio different from x/k/l/ubuntu?
[18:16] <paultag> swoody, so config issues will screw with it
[18:16] <swoody> ah, that stinks :/
[18:16] <paultag> swoody, the kernel you need ( you need the -rt kernel ) and a few subsystems that are for audio work
[18:17] <paultag> swoody, aye :(
[18:17] <Raidsong> lubuntu? did they sneak a new buntu on me?
[18:17] <running_rabbit07> lubuntu is awesome
[18:17] <AJH101> hi yes i did ask but missed your wise words sorry!
[18:17] <paultag> AJH101, let me see if I can find them :)
[18:17] <running_rabbit07> it use the LXDE environment
[18:17] <running_rabbit07> very fast and resource friendly
[18:18] <paultag> AJH101, nope lost it :(
[18:18] <paultag> AJH101, OK. so you can do that, but it's not recommended, there are config issues that will come up
[18:18] <paultag> AJH101, what you can do, and what makes sense is this:
[18:18] <paultag> AJH101, make a new partition for your data, and set it up in the fstab to mount as /Share or something. then ln -s the /Share to /home/aj/share on both installs
[18:18] <swoody> running_rabbit07: it is awesome, and it's goign to be in Lucid - it's Beta right now :)
[18:19] <paultag> AJH101, then what you put into ~/share will be shared on all your partitions ( graphics, audio clips etc )
[18:19] <AJH101> ty :-)
[18:19] <swoody> Raidsong: ^
[18:19] <paultag> AJH101, sure thing :)
[18:19] <running_rabbit07> yep, I installed the beta yesterday, runs pretty darn smooth
[18:19] <Raidsong> swoody, sounds nice
[18:20] <transformers> ok
[18:21] <transformers> wtf
 hello is it possible for ubuntu and ubuntu studio to share the same home partition?
[18:21] <transformers> why the hell
[18:21] <pedro3005> Raidsong, it uses LXDE, a lighter desktop environment
[18:21] <transformers> would you need to do that?
[18:21] <transformers> has anyone used LXDE?
[18:22] <pedro3005> I have
[18:22] <running_rabbit07> I have
[18:22] <transformers> do you like it?
[18:22] <pedro3005> it's nice
[18:22] <paultag> transformers, to share data
[18:22] <running_rabbit07> it is very decent, I definitely like it better than xfce
[18:22] <transformers> better than gnome?
[18:22] <swoody> transformers: I have found it to be much lighter and quicker than xfce
[18:22] <paultag> transformers, if you use one to do development etc, and one to do audio work :)
[18:22] <paultag> ( as I do :) )
[18:22] <transformers> ohwait
[18:22] <pedro3005> I prefer GNOME though - for machines that can run it
[18:23] <transformers> ubuntu studio doesnt use pulse?
[18:23] <paultag> transformers, No, it uses Jack :)
[18:23] <paultag> transformers, you need a low latency server
[18:23] <paultag> and also chaining the streams :)
[18:23] <transformers> sexy
[18:23] <transformers> i hate pulse
[18:24] <Raidsong> paultag can you use 30% less jargon you make us all look bad
[18:25] <transformers> jargon?
[18:25] <paultag> Raidsong, sure :P
[18:25] <paultag> I'm just leaving anywho
[18:25] <paultag> Godspeed ya'll
[18:27] <Raidsong> hes off to fight crime in his spare time
[18:28] <ZachK_> Raidsong: HEY MAN!!!!!!
[18:28] <ZachK_> Raidsong: where the heck have you been dude?
[18:28] <Raidsong> ive been in the whube room
[18:28] <ZachK_> Raidsong: ah cool
[18:28] <Raidsong> my computer had issues so i was using webchat
[18:29] <ZachK_> Raidsong: i'm the new Wiki FG lead in case you've not heard....
[18:29]  * ZachK_ is giddy over that fact
[18:29] <Raidsong> but that computer broke so im using my old computer
[18:29] <Raidsong> congrats
[18:30] <Raidsong> so ZachK_ what does the wiki FG do?
[18:31] <ZachK_> Raidsong: ah Wiki/Doc work
[18:31] <ZachK_> Raidsong: wanna join us?
[18:31] <Raidsong> nah wikis arent my thing
[18:31] <ZachK_> Raidsong: the road will be tough, the keyboard your best friend yet worst enemy....
[18:44] <Duvelhedz> Is this the correct way to clone a hard drive "dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/backup.image bs=4096
[18:47] <Duvelhedz> Will this method get the bootloader and MBR?
[18:47] <rye> Duvelhedz, that method will get everything that the drive holds, right
[18:48] <Duvelhedz> Great. Thanks for the confirmation on that on. I wasnt sure is the bs had to be 512 or not
[18:48] <Duvelhedz> thanks rye
[18:49] <Duvelhedz> If anyone else needs help with issues dont hesitate to ask
[18:54] <rye> duanedesign, bs affects the amount of data  that is fetched at once, so it will be the same as with 512, but slower
[18:59] <ibuclaw> Duvelhedz, bs is just the rate at which it copies
[18:59] <ibuclaw> no, wrong, lol
[19:00] <ibuclaw> the *amount* it copies per run
[19:00] <ibuclaw> ie: you can have 'dd bs=1024 count=5'
[19:00] <ibuclaw> that will copy 5MBs
[19:04] <Duvelhedz> I thought that it was sector size until now
[19:04] <ibuclaw> bs=BYTES
[19:31] <duanedesign> hello rye! good to see you in here :)
[19:31] <rye> duanedesign, yes, especially that my response was not to you :)
[19:32] <rye> duanedesign, i started being here waiting to be enlightened about lxc but it started to work on a different machine, so I am just sitting here
[19:33] <duanedesign> rye: i asked bodhizazen about it the other day
[19:34] <duanedesign> LXC that is
[19:34] <duanedesign> he said it works great on Debian and Fedora
[19:34] <rye> duanedesign, right now my only issue is that the partition with rootfs can be remounted ro/rw by the container
[19:34] <rye> duanedesign, so I am trying to find out how to apply<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:35] <duanedesign> 16:16 < bodhi_zazen> as a follow up from out conversation yesterday on LXC, this was posted to  the LCM mailing list today :
[19:35] <duanedesign> 16:16 < bodhi_zazen> "Why I can see the root of the host system in the container? Is this  normal?"
[19:35] <duanedesign> rye^^ :P
[19:36] <rye> duanedesign, because rootfs is not specified, i believe...
[19:37] <duanedesign> rye: i pointed someone else to your blog today who was confused on the way U1 worked. I know you mentioned doing a write up of some kind on the Lucid version. Did you ever get a chance to do that?
[19:37] <rye> duanedesign, yes, kind of, of course with my regular screaming and shouting about the speed
[19:37] <rye> duanedesign, i did no screenshots though...
[20:35] <paultag> Where did AJ2D or whatever go?
[20:36] <Raidsong> AJH101
[20:36] <paultag> That's the one
[22:41] <man0riaX> Good night everyone
[23:30] <Bodsda> nhandler: ping


[00:52] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[00:52] <valorie> hi
[00:52] <ahoneybun> any work done when I was gone?
[00:53] <valorie> I've been working, but not on docs, sorry
[00:53] <valorie> except for writing an email about it
[00:53] <ahoneybun> thats fine
[00:53] <ahoneybun> I see that
[00:54] <valorie> I'm about to take off; it's my night with my daddy in the nursing home
[00:54] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[00:55] <valorie> one thing that might be useful is taking a look at userbase and techbase both, to see what we can link to
[00:55] <valorie> instead of writing ourselves
[00:55] <valorie> we're doing well linking to ubuntu wiki pages
[00:56] <ahoneybun> rekonq and a few others are linked there
[00:56] <ahoneybun> ktorrent I think as well
[00:56] <valorie> cool
[00:57] <ahoneybun> ye
[00:57] <ahoneybun> p
[00:57] <valorie> techbase has lots of info about how to build, test, etc.
[00:57] <valorie> ok, gotta go fix him a snack
[00:57] <valorie> post here or in the trello and I'll check that when I get home (~3 hours)
[01:00] <ahoneybun> ok
[01:09] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt
[04:44] <valorie> ahoneybun: \o/
[04:44] <ahoneybun> lol I was just about to play Halo 4 lol
[04:48] <ahoneybun> valorie: \0/
[04:48] <valorie> that's fine; I have a blog post to write tonight anyway
[04:49] <ahoneybun> morning here lol
[04:52] <ahoneybun> I love those video chats
[04:55] <valorie> I think Darkwing's idea of a youtube channel is awesome
[04:55] <ahoneybun> yea that is great
[04:55] <ahoneybun> I put up a wiki page
[05:00] <valorie> yes, that's what made me happy
[05:00] <valorie> it shows that you are serious about membership
[05:02] <ahoneybun> yea tbh its a bit about the cool @kubuntu.org and to be prove I have put effort into helping Kubuntu
[05:04] <valorie> exactly
[05:04] <ahoneybun> but the @kubuntu.org is more about the honor of having it
[05:04] <valorie> keep in mind that it's about the greater ubuntu community as well
[05:04] <valorie> !membership
[05:05] <ahoneybun> thats the word I was looking for recognition
[05:05] <ahoneybun> *and to prove
[05:06] <valorie> well, for me it was all about having the email address
[05:07] <valorie> :-)
[05:07] <valorie> the work I was gonna do anyway
[05:07] <ahoneybun> yea it is pretty cool
[05:08] <ahoneybun> I would also be able to join the LinkedIn page
[05:10] <ahoneybun> long wait though, but I'm looking forward to it
[05:10] <valorie> there is more privilege on launchpad as well
[05:10] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[05:10] <valorie> and an IRC cloak
[05:10] <ahoneybun> that is cool I saw that
[05:12] <ahoneybun> I think that we should have hangouts more often, at least till we get the foundation done
[05:14] <valorie> perhaps we can get a schedule going
[05:14] <valorie> write to the list about that?
[05:14] <ahoneybun> I was thinking that
[05:14] <ahoneybun> sure
[05:14] <valorie> might be a good way to get more people involved
[05:14] <ahoneybun> timezones make it a bit ard
[05:14] <ahoneybun> hard
[05:15] <ahoneybun> but right now at 5pm for me you guys seem there
[05:15] <valorie> sure, but a time can be chosen, and those who can attend, will do so
[05:17] <ahoneybun> "I would like to offer the idea for a schedule to have video chats with Google's Hangout system.  We will have the videos recorded and placed on a YouTube Channel also."
[05:17] <ahoneybun> Thats what I have so fart
[05:17] <ahoneybun> far
[05:17] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:17] <valorie> no farting!
[05:17] <valorie> lol
[05:17] <ahoneybun> sorry
[05:17] <ahoneybun> type
[05:17] <ahoneybun> typo lol
[05:17] <valorie> well, not on camera anyway
[05:17] <ahoneybun> any else?
[05:18] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:18] <ahoneybun> anything
[05:18] <valorie> maybe suggest weekly while we are working on them intensively?
[05:18] <valorie> and a possible time in UTC
[05:19] <ahoneybun> can you get that, cuz my firefox keeps making right click not working
[05:19] <ahoneybun> work
[05:20] <ahoneybun> nvm will use another browser
[05:20] <valorie> I just check the time in Reykevik on my phone
[05:20] <valorie> :-)
[05:21] <ahoneybun> I dont see UTC on timeanddate.com
[05:22] <valorie> scroll to the bottom of the page
[05:22] <ahoneybun> nvm
[05:22] <ahoneybun> found it
[05:22] <ahoneybun> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20130524T1630&p1=179&p2=0
[05:23] <ahoneybun> right?
[05:24] <valorie> um, there is a way to get that local to everyone
[05:24] <valorie> not sure how to do that
[05:24] <valorie> it isn't local for me: just New york
[05:24] <ahoneybun> can't we put the time for UTC?
[05:25] <ahoneybun> your in EST?
[05:25] <ahoneybun> EDT
[05:25] <ahoneybun> the meeting planner on that site?
[05:25] <valorie> yes, that's what I was saying
[05:25] <valorie> state the time in UTC
[05:26] <valorie> if you can get the timeanddate.com site to give you a url, great
[05:26] <valorie> but you're just asking to get a meeting scheduled
[05:26] <valorie> not setting a time in stone
[05:26] <valorie> so don't sweat it
[05:27] <ahoneybun> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20130529&p1=835
[05:27] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[05:27] <ahoneybun> so just send what I have now?
[05:28] <valorie> sure
[05:28] <valorie> this is a discussion, after all
[05:28] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:29] <ahoneybun> have you had problems with firefox and right clicking?
[05:30] <valorie> I rarely use ff anymore
[05:30] <valorie> usually chromium
[05:30] <ahoneybun> I have stickers l
[05:30] <valorie> I used ff for many years, but the flash issues were so annoying
[05:30] <ahoneybun> unixstickers has a KDE sticker but I want a Kubuntu one sooooo bad
[05:30] <valorie> I just used it less and less
[05:31] <ahoneybun> its my go to browser on computer, tablet, phone
[05:32] <ahoneybun> valorie: this is so cool http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=141253
[05:33] <valorie> that's awesome
[05:33] <ahoneybun> I know
[05:33] <ahoneybun> I would print it and hand it out for free so fast
[05:34] <valorie> well, depending on what the barcode is
[05:34] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:35] <ahoneybun> your in what timezone?
[05:36] <valorie> PDT
[05:36] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[05:36] <ScottK>  -0700
[05:37] <ahoneybun> ScottK: hey
[05:37] <ahoneybun> wow its 7 there
[05:37] <ahoneybun> am
[05:37] <ScottK> Just going to be though because I'm in -0400 and it's late.
[05:37] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:37] <valorie> what?
[05:37] <valorie> no, it's 10:30pm
[05:37] <ahoneybun> oh
[05:37] <ahoneybun> its 1:30am here
[05:38] <valorie> -0700 means 7 hours behind utc
[05:39] <ahoneybun> ye
[05:39] <ahoneybun> I see
[05:41] <ahoneybun> should I take off that picture I made for the main page
[05:42] <valorie> well, I don't think we will go exactly that way
[05:42] <valorie> otoh, not everyone has read your email
[05:42] <valorie> so I would leave it for awhile
[05:42] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:42] <ahoneybun> the picture about how I thought we would do it?
[05:43] <valorie> sure
[05:44] <valorie> sorry, I'm in another conversation
[05:44] <valorie> atm
[05:44] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[05:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm going to jump off for now
[05:49] <valorie> have a good night
[05:50] <ahoneybun> you too
[05:50] <ahoneybun> see ya
[06:47] <soee> good morning
[06:49] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[06:50] <soee> lordievader, rainy today so i need some extra energy to work :D how are you ?
[06:54] <lordievader> Doing good, getting ready to go to college.
[08:36] <Riddell> happy merge Friday!
[08:52] <soee> woot ?
[10:11] <Riddell> debuild -j8 is so satisfying
[10:12] <apachelogger> now iceccream and use -j17 :P
[10:55] <peace-->   make -j9
[10:55] <peace--> :P
[10:56]  * yofel is perfeclty happy with 5
[10:56] <yofel> I've stopped using icecc lately, feels to buggy. Esp. as I have a mix of releases on my systems at home
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:48] <Riddell> ug kopete requires v4l
[12:48] <Riddell> but fails to compile with it in saucy
[12:49] <Riddell> hmm, required unless I set DISABLE_VIDEOSUPPORT, that's confusing
[12:53] <soee> bye, cu later :)
[18:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: know any security folk? 1178286 needs some love
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: FYI auto-upgrade-tester is going to be deprecated
[18:46] <shadeslayer> Ubuntu is adding upgrade testing to UTAH
[18:47] <yofel> I'm not too familiar with it, can we somehow re-use that?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> I'm not familiar with it as wel, but it might be worthwile to look into it
[19:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Because the steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue weren't done, the security team wouldn't have even seen it.  Done now.
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[20:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: I would appreciate it if you'd apply your vast multimedia expertise to bug #1183829 and figure out if there's an actual phonon bug there or if it's just in the bindings?
[20:13] <apachelogger> already looking
[20:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[20:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I see you've been training smartyboyhw.
[20:59] <ScottK> valorie: Interesting blog post, but sometimes in cases where there is a large power disparity being loud and aggressive is the only way to get attention to your point of view.  I don't think a quiet, polite discussion about "can we not do this insane thing called rolling release" would have worked to get people's attention.
[21:00] <ScottK> Same thing with the whole community link on the website fiasco.
[21:00] <valorie> loud and agressive is different than abusive
[21:00] <ScottK> Certainly while some people went overboard, it takes a certain amount of noise to get people's attention.
[21:00] <valorie> sticking to the issues vs. personal attacks
[21:00] <valorie> I've never heard you abuse anyone
[21:00] <valorie> you stick to the issues
[21:01] <ScottK> To an outsider though these often look the same.
[21:01] <valorie> fighting fair is an art, to be sure
[21:01] <valorie> and requires practice
[21:01] <valorie> that reminds me, I started a post about that and never finished it
[21:02]  * valorie isn't saying that fighting is never required
[21:02] <ScottK> Slightly ironically the only time that I recall being seriously called out for a CoC violation was when I told someone in a public IRC channel I was going to do everything in my power to get them banned from contributing to Ubuntu.
[21:02] <ScottK> In that case I was just being honest.
[21:03] <ScottK> Did it too.
[21:03] <soee>  :D
[21:04] <valorie> I assume you were addressing their behavior though, not their execrable personal habits?
[21:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:04] <ScottK> Some viewed it as a personal attack though.
[21:04] <valorie> sure
[21:04] <valorie> especially their friends, and your not-friends
[21:04] <valorie> I assume
[21:05] <ScottK> No, neutral observers.
[21:05] <valorie> ok
[21:05] <valorie> well, I know when i've crossed the line
[21:05] <valorie> I can feel that little niggle
[21:05] <valorie> the nice thing with text is that it can be erased before sending
[21:06] <valorie> the hard thing about face to face is that it can't
[21:11]  * yofel goes fixing kde-workspace in saucy
[21:12] <Riddell> yofel: what did I miss?
[21:12] <yofel> it seems you didn't completely review the install file changes so many breaks/replaces are missing
[21:14] <Riddell> hmm sorry, I'll mind and do that better in these other ones I'm doing
[21:14] <Riddell> which I also need to put on trello
[21:15] <soee> this rolling release is already live ?
[21:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I .. have?
[21:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/?p=61
[21:17] <shadeslayer> ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[21:17] <apachelogger> +1
[21:17] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:17] <shadeslayer> it's sync'd to p.u.c
[21:18] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:18] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:18] <shadeslayer> that stuff tends to rub off
[21:18] <shadeslayer> for eg. on Quintasan
[21:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger who has that picture of us infront of the Windows error?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> the night when we got supremely drunk
[21:29] <ScottK> How much does that narrow it down?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> one day
[21:29] <shadeslayer> or rather, one night
[21:29] <ScottK> Surprising.
[21:29] <ScottK> apachelogger must be getting old and weak.
[21:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which windows error?
[21:30] <shadeslayer> I bet you know all about that
[21:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the one which we saw on the street?
[21:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oy, nuff cheak!
[21:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm still not remembering one
[21:31] <shadeslayer> the one where we went to Placa de Catalunya
[21:31] <shadeslayer> and people were celebrating the Football match win
[21:31] <shadeslayer> and then we strolled down that street a bit, and came across this LCD panel that had a silly windows error
[21:31] <Riddell> oh right, not sure I'm afraid I've not seen photos of it
[21:32] <shadeslayer> yeah, IIRC afiestas_'s phone had them, but not sure
[21:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: :O
[21:49] <apachelogger> outragous!
[21:49] <apachelogger> how dare you
[22:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183030] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183030 (by Fila Kolodny)
[22:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183031] package kdm 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/k... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183031 (by Fila Kolodny)
[22:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183032] package plasma-desktop 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183032 (by Fila Kolodny)
[22:03]  * yofel reminds Quintasan to please review moved files on merges too
[22:05] <Riddell> moved files?
[22:05] <Riddell> oh files moved between packages


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 Linus said he delayed the release of Linux 5.0 after 6,000,000 commits because the world isn't ready for it.  He also said it was an arbitrary number and that he might release it when he runs out of fingers and toes to count sub-releases.  This would be the perfect time to release it.


[18:26] <bellasbells> O_o ubuntulog
[18:27]  * CompyTheInsane gives ubuntulog all of cortman's haggis collection
[18:29] <Unit193> bellasbells: Kick it.
[18:30]  * Canuckian gives ubuntulog all of CompyTheInsane's things... ALL THE THINGS... including Mexican Kitty
[18:31] <CompyTheInsane> Trust me, Canuckian. ubuntulog does not want my laptop
[18:31] <bellasbells> wut?
[18:32] <CompyTheInsane> It likes to slow down on me when I least expect it.
[18:33] <CompyTheInsane> It will also not want my room.
[18:34] <cortman> gaaah!
[18:35]  * cortman lassos ubuntulog
[18:37] <cortman> Ha, nice logoff Unit193
[18:37] <Unit193> bellasbells: Kidding aside, this channel has no notice from chanserv about logging, it is in here by mistake.
[18:37] <Unit193> cortman: Thanks!


 Thank you @Valoriez 🥰 A very sad moment in time, but she did such an amazing job that I think so many are thankful for. Personally, Queen Elizabeth has been an inspiration for me
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