[15:40] <xoqa> hello... i was looking for the /etc/inittab file in ubuntu when someone pointed out that my distro was using upstart... how would i go about editing what starts during boot?
[15:40] <xoqa> i'm wanting to replace getty
[15:44] <savetheWorld> Good morning.  the design plan at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInitDiscussion  for upstart calls for "Plan: This plan allows for the new system to be implemented without requiring any changes to other packages until they wish to take advantage of the new features."  But it seems the /etc/inittab file has been removed.  What takes the place of that file?
[15:45] <ion_> /etc/event.d
[15:48] <xoqa> thanks ion


[20:02] <costales> Hi everybody!
[20:02] <kaziweb> Hi
[20:03] <costales> Hi rafael_carreras :) How are you?
[20:03] <rafael_carreras> fine :)
[20:03] <costales> Great :D
[20:03] <costales> Great your last install party! rafael_carreras
[20:03] <costales> I saw in the planet
[20:03] <rafael_carreras> thank you, costales
[20:05] <skellat> costales: Shall we start with the LoCo Council meeting?
[20:06] <costales> Hi SergioMeneses!
[20:06] <costales> skellat: Who we are here from the Council?
[20:06] <costales> Who are we here from the Council?
[20:06] <BobJonkman1> Hello all!
[20:06] <SergioMeneses> hi guys!
[20:06] <SergioMeneses> BobJonkman1, ni
[20:06] <SergioMeneses> hi
[20:06] <ChitKo> hi
[20:06] <kaziweb> Hi I'm from Ubuntu Qatar.
[20:06] <skellat> skellat, costales, sergiomeneses
[20:06] <costales> |o/
[20:07] <SergioMeneses> skellat, ok
[20:07] <kaziweb> And for the first time in council meeting.
[20:07] <skellat> I think we can go ahead and start
[20:07] <skellat> #startmeeting
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[20:07] <SergioMeneses> kaziweb, welcome!
[20:07] <skellat> This is the November regular meeting of the LoCo Council
[20:07] <kaziweb> SergioMeneses, thanks
[20:07] <skellat> We have two applications before us at this meeting for consideration
[20:08] <kokoye2007> thx skellat
[20:08] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:08] <ChitKo> yes
[20:08] <skellat> #topic ubuntu-mm
[20:08] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2013
[20:09] <skellat> At this point I must stress that, due to the number of members who are unable to be present, we have votes that have been recorded separately in bugmail
[20:09] <skellat> While I look up those votes, I invite kokoye2007 to tell us a little bit about the current state of ubuntu-mm
[20:09] <kokoye2007> yes skellat
[20:10] <kokoye2007> we have pre vote +1 4 person :D
[20:10] <costales> Welcome kokoye2007
[20:10] <kokoye2007> now we planing for Ubuntu 13.10 Biggest Event
[20:10] <kokoye2007> in 2 City
[20:10] <SergioMeneses> awesome kokoye2007 !
[20:11] <kokoye2007> also Country Level Mobile Event in Order booth  - for Ubuntu Mobile Event (Dec-2013)
[20:11] <kokoye2007> this year we more promote Ubuntu OS in our country
[20:12] <costales> I see your wiki pretty nice and good information ;)
[20:12] <kokoye2007> bcz IP Law is early
[20:12] <skellat> The wiki looks in pretty good shape
[20:12] <ChitKo> thanx
[20:12] <skellat> If I may interrupt for a moment, let me put the absent votes on record
[20:12] <skellat> #nick PabloRubianes
[20:12] <skellat> #info PabloRubianes voted +1
[20:12] <skellat> #nick jose
[20:13] <kokoye2007> who is make IT event - they invited to our ubuntu loco team
[20:13] <skellat> #info jose voted +1
[20:13] <skellat> #nick coolbhavi
[20:13] <costales> kokoye2007: Have you had any issues? Or things the council can help with?
[20:13] <skellat> #info coolbhavi voted +1
[20:13] <kokoye2007> bcz innovative and pioneer FLOSS team
[20:13] <SergioMeneses> I want to say you have an amazing wiki kokoye2007  and I am gald you use the loco team portal for your events http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-mm/ ....and there are a lot of good pictures! :)
[20:13] <kokoye2007> thx SergioMeneses
[20:14] <ChitKo> thanx SergioMeneses
[20:14] <skellat> Is there any further discussion?
[20:14] <kokoye2007> :)
[20:14] <skellat> #voters skellat SergioMeneses costales
[20:14] <meetingology> Current voters: SergioMeneses costales skellat
[20:15] <kokoye2007> this year to Ubuntu Year for Myanmar
[20:15] <kokoye2007> i wanna try look like China
[20:15] <SergioMeneses> kokoye2007, might you answer costales question :)
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> might we help your team with something?
[20:16] <kokoye2007> yes
[20:16] <costales> :)
[20:16] <kokoye2007> when we make
[20:16] <ChitKo> thanks
[20:16] <kokoye2007> Barcamp or
[20:16] <kokoye2007> Ubuntu Camp / UbuCamp
[20:16] <hono> thanks sir
[20:16] <kokoye2007> Who can coming and Contribute / Guide
[20:17] <kokoye2007> example Ubuntu Install Festival / Ubuntu Travel in Myanmar
[20:17] <skellat> Okay
[20:18] <kokoye2007> migrate (Window$ > Ubuntu)
[20:18] <skellat> Some of that got discussed in the LoCo Projects session at vUDS-1311 today.  I urge you to go back and watch the session to learn what dpm, popey, myself, and others were talking about.
[20:18] <SergioMeneses> kokoye2007, I dont get your point... you want to make a guide about hw to contribute or I miss something?
[20:18] <kokoye2007> both
[20:18] <kokoye2007> :D
[20:19] <kokoye2007> who can come (and) who can guideline
[20:19] <kokoye2007> thx skellat
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> ok I propose this! kokoye2007 send us an email with this "project" and we are going to see what might we do :)
[20:19] <costales> kokoye2007: What about the wiki guides? Are they useful for you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamsBestPracticesandGuidelines
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> skellat, costales ok with my idea?
[20:19] <costales> yes :D it will be a great feedback
[20:19] <skellat> SergioMeneses: No objections
[20:20] <SergioMeneses> perfect!
[20:20] <kokoye2007> Ohh thank SergioMeneses , costales
[20:20] <SergioMeneses> skellat, we are ready to vote - imho
[20:20] <costales> yes, I'm
[20:20] <skellat> #vote To approve the Verification of ubuntu-mm for a 2 year period
[20:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: To approve the Verification of ubuntu-mm for a 2 year period
[20:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:20] <skellat> +1 with hearty congratulations to the team for the great work they are doing
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 with hearty congratulations to the team for the great work they are doing received from skellat
[20:20] <kokoye2007> who is +1 :)
[20:20] <costales> +1 Impressive work team! Thanks! Keep your hard work ;)
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 Impressive work team! Thanks! Keep your hard work ;) received from costales
[20:21] <SergioMeneses> +1 excellent work ubuntu-mm
[20:21] <meetingology> +1 excellent work ubuntu-mm received from SergioMeneses
[20:21] <skellat> #endvote
[20:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: To approve the Verification of ubuntu-mm for a 2 year period
[20:21] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:21] <costales> Congrants team! :D
[20:21] <kokoye2007> thank costales
[20:21] <skellat> #agreed With the 3 absent votes plus the 3 positive votes in-meeting, ubuntu-mm stands Verified for 2 years
[20:21] <kokoye2007> thank SergioMeneses
[20:21] <ChitKo> Thank you all
[20:21] <kokoye2007> thank skellat
[20:21] <kokoye2007> :)
[20:21] <hono> thanks all sir
[20:21] <costales> kokoye2007: Thanks to all the team :)
[20:22] <kokoye2007> we promise, more project, more contribute, more love ubuntu :)
[20:22] <SergioMeneses> congrats ubuntu-mm ChitKo and kokoye2007
[20:22] <skellat> Okay, lets move on to the next topic
[20:22] <skellat> #topic Abstention of a Council Member
[20:22] <SergioMeneses> kokoye2007, if you need help from us! please let us know ;)
[20:22] <skellat> #info skellat serves as Point of Contact/Leader for Ubuntu Ohio
[20:23] <kokoye2007> yes, thx SergioMeneses
[20:23] <skellat> #info skellat also serves as a member of LoCo Council
[20:23] <ChitKo> y
[20:23] <skellat> #info skellat will not be permitted to vote on the application of Ubuntu Ohio for Verification
[20:23] <SergioMeneses> skellat, dont worry!
[20:23] <skellat> #info SergioMeneses will take the chair for proceedings on the Ubuntu Ohio application
[20:23] <skellat> #chair SergioMeneses
[20:23] <meetingology> Current chairs: SergioMeneses skellat
[20:23] <skellat> #topic ubuntu-us-ohio
[20:24] <skellat> I yield to SergioMeneses to continue the meeting
[20:24] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/VerificationApplication2013
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> greetings ubuntu-us-oh !
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/VerificationApplication2013
[20:24] <skellat> Greetings on behalf of a rather rambunctious community
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> thanks costales
[20:24] <SergioMeneses> skellat, tell us something about your community
[20:25] <skellat> After two failed attempts at seeking Approval, Ubuntu Ohio entered a bit of a restructuring
[20:25] <skellat> During that time Ubuntu Ohio transitioned from having a High Council to lead it to now being led by a sole leader
[20:25] <skellat> We've instituted some changes to try to increase the engagement level
[20:25] <costales> I'm glad to see you're using the Portal :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-ohio/events/history/
[20:25] <skellat> Thank you
[20:26] <skellat> Above and beyond the requirements in general for LoCo membership, members for Ubuntu Ohio **must** sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[20:26] <SergioMeneses> skellat, glad to read that! a lot of teams are working on the same area... how to get more activity, members, and others
[20:26] <skellat> This ensures that they are empowered to take action on any complaints they have to the relevant team rather than complain intra-team
[20:26] <skellat> SergioMeneses: Our big goal right now is to get everybody empowered
[20:27] <skellat> I bluntly told multiple members in-person at Ohio Linux Fest 2013 that I do not whining or complaining without action
[20:27] <skellat> If you have a problem, I want to remove the barriers so you can seek a fix to the problem
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> skellat, great! I think someday you might share about this with us and all loco-teams
[20:27] <costales> You've been busy ;)
[20:27] <skellat> Yeah
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> costales, agree
[20:28] <skellat> Putting on OLF 2013 was our short-term goal which we just completed
[20:28] <SergioMeneses> I really like your "member map"  http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/map/user
[20:28] <costales> skellat: So what do you think is the best thing that works for the team, is it social events?
[20:29] <skellat> costales: In-person, no.  We're too spread out.  Online, yes.  We're making online socialization work.
[20:29] <SergioMeneses> skellat, great!
[20:29] <SergioMeneses> skellat, do you have problems in your team or if we might help you with something?
[20:29] <costales> skellat: Which social platform is working better? Twitter, FB, G+, Identi.ca...?
[20:30] <BobJonkman1> skellat: How did you achieve online socialization?
[20:30]  * SergioMeneses forgets skellat is part of the LC
[20:30] <skellat> SergioMeneses: Not at this time.  Any member of the Council is welcome to attend our meeting later this month when we work on our long range planning
[20:30] <skellat> costales: IRC & Mailing Lists are what are working best followed by G+ then Twitter
[20:31] <costales> skellat: Great! ;)
[20:31] <costales> Nice detailed wiki
[20:32] <SergioMeneses> and you have a good experience this year! I like that as well... I think we are ready to vote, costales dont you think?
[20:32] <skellat> BobJonkman1: Right now we focus on our IRC meetings.  When it comes down to it, I'm actually located closer to you "as the crow flies" than my next closest member of Ubuntu Ohio.  The IRC channel has been the main watering hole for discussion although I am trying to get some of that to move to discourse.ubuntu.com potentially.  Discussion in-channel is pretty varied.
[20:33] <skellat> We should note that votes were already cast in the bug
[20:33] <SergioMeneses> good answer skellat !
[20:33] <costales> I have to ask :P Do you need something from the council?
[20:33] <BobJonkman1> #info skellat, LoCo Council: at some future time I'd like to discuss how to improve IRC meeting participation for Ubuntu-ca
[20:33] <SergioMeneses> ok we have 4 votes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/1247523
[20:34] <skellat> #action LoCo Council to discuss with Point of Contact for Canada how to improve participation
[20:34] <meetingology> ACTION: LoCo Council to discuss with Point of Contact for Canada how to improve participation
[20:34] <SergioMeneses> jaja the bug is private
[20:34] <kokoye2007> it's private
[20:34] <skellat> Hold on
[20:34] <skellat> #nick jose
[20:34] <SergioMeneses> skellat, it's ok
[20:34] <skellat> #info jose voted +1 on Ohio
[20:34] <costales> Great BobJonkman1 I'll a pleasure :)
[20:34] <skellat> #nick coolbhavi
[20:34] <skellat> #info coolbhavi voted +1 on Ohio
[20:35] <skellat> #nick PabloRubianes
[20:35] <skellat> #info PabloRubianes voted +1 on Ohio
[20:35] <skellat> SergioMeneses: Okay, we've got that on record now :-)
[20:35] <SergioMeneses> skellat, perfect!
[20:35] <SergioMeneses> skellat, I think my vote is not necessary =( jajaja
[20:35] <SergioMeneses> congratulations ubuntu-us-ohio
[20:36] <skellat> Oh, that's right I almost forgot
[20:36] <skellat> #nick costales
[20:36] <costales> :P
[20:36] <skellat> #info costales voted +1 on Ohio
[20:36] <costales> Of course :)
[20:36] <costales> You did an awesome hard work!
[20:36] <SergioMeneses> skellat, I will put my vote on the bug ;)
[20:37] <SergioMeneses> costales, skellat do we have more things on the board?
[20:37] <skellat> #agreed ubuntu-us-ohio stands Verified for 2 years
[20:37] <skellat> #topic Any Other Business
[20:37] <BobJonkman1> Since there are lots of people online I haven't met before, can we do a round of introductions before the meeting ends?
[20:38] <kokoye2007> g8t! skellat , costales
[20:38] <kokoye2007> :)
[20:38] <costales> Congrats ubuntu-us-ohio!! And thanks! :D
[20:38] <skellat> #subtopic Introductions
[20:38] <ChitKo> Congrats ubuntu-us-ohio!!
[20:38] <skellat> Thank you kokoye2007, ChitKo, costales
[20:38] <BobJonkman1> I'm Bob Jonkman from Elmira, Ontario, Canada, and a co-contact for Canada with Darcy Casselman (dscassel on IRC)
[20:38] <costales> Of course BobJonkman1
[20:39] <costales> Nice to meet you BobJonkman1, it's a pleasure :)
[20:39] <BobJonkman1> Hello, costales!
[20:39] <skellat> My name is Stephen Michael Kellat in Ashtabula, Ohio, USA, and am a member of LoCo Council as well as Point of Contact/Leader for Ubuntu Ohio.  BobJonkman1 otherwise sees me on Identica as alpacaherder usually.
[20:40] <BobJonkman1> It was useful to receive a reminder of this meeting on the LoCo-Contacts mailing list -- thanx for that, skellat
[20:40] <skellat> No problem
[20:40] <kokoye2007> nice 2 meet ya skellat,
[20:41] <hono> nice to see skellat
[20:41] <skellat> A big thing right now is to work on communication.  popey brought that up as an issue during the LoCo Projects session at today's vUDS-1311 panels and it is an active matter to deal with.
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> BobJonkman1, indeed ... skellat rocks!
[20:41] <costales> BobJonkman1: I'm costales. Hi from a LoCo Council Member too!
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> skellat, close the meeting ;)
[20:41] <costales> hahahaha
[20:42] <SergioMeneses> ok I have to go back to work! see you later guys!
[20:42] <SergioMeneses> take care
[20:42] <ChitKo> great
[20:42] <BobJonkman1> Bye SergioMeneses
[20:42] <kokoye2007> bye SergioMeneses see ya later ;P
[20:42] <hono> take care bye
[20:42] <ChitKo> bye skellet , costales , SergioMeneses
[20:42] <skellat> Alrighty
[20:43] <skellat> It looks like we're done
[20:43] <skellat> #topic Next meeting
[20:43] <skellat> #info The next meeting will be the Third Tuesday of December at 2000 UTC
[20:43] <skellat> #endmeeting
[20:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 19 20:43:35 2013 UTC.
[20:43] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-11-19-20.07.moin.txt
[20:43] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-11-19-20.07.html
[20:44] <costales> BobJonkman1: If you have any issue at any time, please, ping us in the #ubuntu-locoteams :)
[20:44] <costales> We're for helping you
[20:44] <BobJonkman1> Will do, costales
[20:44] <costales> BobJonkman1: :) ;)
[20:45] <costales> |o/
[20:45] <BobJonkman1> I'll schedule an IRC meeting for ubuntu-ca and invite LoCo Council members to discuss participation
[20:45] <BobJonkman1> We've been having them regularly, but attendance dropped off to the point where I was just talking to myself.
[20:45]  * genii slides BobJonkman1 a coffee
[20:46] <BobJonkman1> Thanx genii! Always nice to have you around
[20:47] <BobJonkman1> Meeting/Agenda from the last IRC meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-09-26
[20:49] <costales> Nice BobJonkman1
[20:49] <costales> I'll try to be there :D
[20:50] <costales> Remember us, OK?
[20:51] <BobJonkman1> Thanx.  Should be on 28 November at 19:00-0500 (EST), or 00:00 UTC on 29 November.  That gives us a local time range of 16:00 (PST) to 21:30 (NST)  -- Canada is really big...
[21:00] <costales> BobJonkman1: I think it will be a bad hour for me :P It's my 22.00 now xD
[21:01] <BobJonkman1> Hmm... Not sure how to fix that.  Evening meetings (in local time zone) are preferred to avoid conflicts with people's working hours
[21:01] <costales> There are more members in the council :) Don't worry
[21:01] <costales> We'll try!
[21:02] <BobJonkman1> I'm just creating an agenda now, and I'll create an event in the LoCo portal, and send a message to the LoCo Contacts mailing list. That should get some people, I hope!
[21:03] <costales> ;)
[22:45] <BobJonkman1> OK, Ubuntu-ca  agenda for the IRC meeting posted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-11-28 LoCo Portal event at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2646/detail/


[11:41] <mamarley> ricotz: I got 4.9-patched packages for 370 and 367 built.  They are compile- and run-tested.  In the case of 367 after I had uploaded to the staging PPA, I realized that I had screwed up the version numbers (I forgot to undo dch's automatic bump).  I have fixed this locally and will reupload those directly to the main PPA instead of copying: https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[11:42] <mamarley> tseliot: ^The exact same patch applied to all of 375, 370, and 367.  I still haven't had any luck with 340 though.
[12:00] <tseliot> mamarley: sorry, I haven't looked into it yet


[09:50] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[10:04] <JonathanD> Morning morning.


[00:00] <bigjools> thumper: huh staging is nonvirtual
[00:02] <bigjools> thumper: are you building on arm?
[00:02] <wgrant> thumper: Because debug symbols make packages massively larger.
[00:03] <wgrant> thumper: debhelper strips them by default.
[00:03] <wgrant> It's nothing to do with PPAs.
[00:03] <thumper> bigjools: maybe...
[00:03] <thumper> hmm...
[00:03] <thumper> ok...
[00:03] <bigjools> wgrant: what's the situation with setting restricted archs on nonvirt now?
[00:03] <thumper> let me tell you what we want
[00:03] <wgrant> Now, the Ubuntu primary archive (and optionally PPAs, although the feature is not completely implemented), can override dh_strip to create ddebs instead of throwing the symbols away.
[00:03] <thumper> and you can tell me how to get it?
[00:04] <thumper> we have jenkins running some tests for us
[00:04] <thumper> and when they fail, we want decent stack traces
[00:04] <wgrant> Sounds like you want ddebs
[00:04] <thumper> that is the issue
[00:05] <thumper> wgrant: what do I need to tell didrocks?
[00:05] <thumper> because I'm not doin it
[00:05] <wgrant> You need to tell bigjools to click a checkbox.
[00:05] <bigjools> wgrant: what's the situation with setting restricted archs on nonvirt now?
[00:05] <wgrant> Linaro's been using this functioanliaty for a while, but I don't think anyone else is.
[00:06] <wgrant> bigjools: I think it works. But I'm checking the code.
[00:06] <wgrant> (I'm not really here today)
[00:06] <bigjools> they have arm selected but are nonvirt - the form won't save
[00:06] <thumper> wgrant: it's a holiday in SA too
[00:06] <wgrant> bigjools: Ah, yes... you need to check both arms
[00:06] <bigjools> so if the code ignores restrictions if arch = nonvirt then we're ok
[00:06] <thumper> wgrant: who in AU is working?
[00:06] <bigjools> otherwise we're fucked
[00:06] <bigjools> s/arch/virtuality/
[00:07] <wgrant> bigjools: Is powerpc restricted now too?
[00:07] <bigjools> NFI
[00:07] <bigjools> not worked on this for 2 months
[00:07] <bigjools> I saved the "ppa" admin page but removed the arm boxes - dunno if I just hosed them
[00:08] <wgrant> bigjools: If they need ARM, they need to be checked.
[00:08] <bigjools> wgrant: even for nonvirt?
[00:08] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:08] <wgrant> Except for primary non-virt.
[00:08] <bigjools> wgrant: then the form is fucked
[00:08] <wgrant> Yes
[00:08] <wgrant> There are bugs
[00:09] <bigjools> fuck sake
[00:09] <wgrant> We've known this for ages.
[00:09] <wgrant> Check all the archs
[00:09] <wgrant> Soyuz loves pointless special cases.
[00:09] <bigjools> gah
[00:09] <bigjools> that's obtuse
[00:09] <wgrant> What is?
[00:09] <bigjools> the bug
[00:09] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:09] <bigjools> thumper: ok you'll get debug syms now
[00:09] <thumper> w00t
[00:09] <thumper> ta
[00:10] <bigjools> and powerpc builds.... :/
[00:10] <thumper> because we want that eh?
[00:11] <wgrant> bigjools: Heh, enableRestrictedFamily is exposed on the API, but disable is not
[00:11] <wgrant> So we can't reverse the powerpc enablement.
[00:11] <StevenK> Haha
[00:11] <wgrant> thumper: You'll need to alter jenkins to install foo-dbgsym as well as foo
[00:11] <thumper> wgrant: ok, noted
[00:12] <wgrant> thumper: This feature is not extremely well tested, so there may be some oddness. Poke me if anything seems amiss.
[00:12] <thumper> will do
[00:13] <thumper> I'm sure it'll be fine
[00:13] <thumper> heh
[00:57] <shnatsel> bzr fails on source build with "bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyError: 'Source'"
[00:57] <shnatsel> looks like a bug
[00:57] <shnatsel> jere's the log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96409587/buildlog.txt.gz
[00:57] <poolie> shnatsel, i think this means there's no packaging information in your branch
[00:58] <shnatsel> poolie: it's patched lp:ubuntu/xdg-user-dirs, so there must be packaging
[01:00] <jelmer> hi poolie, shnatsel
[01:00] <jelmer> shnatsel: that's a bug in python-debian, it doesn't allow comments or empty lines before the first stanza
[01:00] <poolie> hm
[01:00] <jelmer> http://pad.lv/804241
[01:00] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 804241 in python-debian (Ubuntu) "empty leading and comment lines in debian/control break source package name finding" [High,Triaged]
[01:00] <shnatsel> jelmer: omg, it's been around for ages...
[01:01] <poolie> i thought it was familiar
[01:01] <shnatsel> jelmer: or so it seems. Thanks, I'll patch away the blank line or whatever there is,
[01:03] <poolie> shnatsel, you could test the build on staging.launchpad.net
[01:03] <poolie> this should have been fixed there
[01:03] <poolie> mm
[01:03] <poolie> it may be a bit of a pain to test though
[01:07] <shnatsel> poolie: thanks, I've simply removed the comments, it should work now
[03:11] <thumper> wgrant: where in https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/staging/+packages would I see the -dbgsym packages?
[03:11] <StevenK> thumper: Have you re-uploaded the sources to the PPA?
[03:12] <thumper> StevenK: that has happened several times so far
[03:12] <thumper> we have a jenkins job doing it
[03:12] <thumper> every commit
[03:12] <wgrant> thumper: "Several times"?
[03:12] <wgrant> I see one package, still building.
[03:12] <bigjools> thumper: you'll seem them once the builds finish
[03:12]  * thumper waits impatiently
[03:12] <bigjools> and we need some sql to remove powerpc I think
[03:13] <StevenK> Or we could change the code to export disableRestrictedFamily over the API.
[03:13] <thumper> yeah, I've had several emails about failures there
[03:13] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/staging/+build/3279075
[03:13] <wgrant> ddebs
[03:14] <thumper> ah, awesome
[03:14] <thumper> o/
[03:14]  * thumper does a little dance
[03:18] <wgrant> thumper: You can probably see from the file sizes why we don't do it by default.
[03:19] <thumper> wgrant: wow, yeah
[03:19] <thumper> wgrant: but they'll be real handy for us :)
[09:59] <solsTiCe> hi. what is this old way: send an email with a link to the requested .po file ??? I have still not received that email! What's wrong with a link on the page ?
[10:01] <solsTiCe> ok. another update of lauchpad in progress
[10:02] <solsTiCe> oh no just a bunch of random 503 errors.
[10:13] <wgrant> solsTiCe: It takes some time to generate the exported file, so a link can't be generated immediately.
[10:13] <wgrant> solsTiCe: Launchpad was down for 60 seconds for a database update around the time you asked.
[10:14] <solsTiCe> ok :-(
[11:19] <Wellark> hi! how does one change the owner of the project? We have a sparetime project and the current owner said he was unable to find a way to change the ownership of that project. What resource should I point him at?
[11:21] <Wellark> hmm.. probably this one https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering#Roles_within_projects
[11:25] <maxb> Wellark: The current owner/maintainer of a project sees a yellow pencil "edit" icon next to their name on the front page of the project
[11:31] <Wellark> maxb: and same goes for team maintainer?
[11:31] <Wellark> s/maintainer/owner/
[11:48] <maxb> yes
[11:51] <Wellark> ok, thanks! I hope he manages to get it done.
[11:51] <Wellark> otherwise I have to come up with step by step slide show for him ;)
[12:08] <Wellark> maxb: there is no yellow pencil. http://imagebin.org/203015
[12:10] <Wellark> maxb: that's a screenshot from the current Maintainers computer
[12:14] <czajkowski> Wellark: file a question with that needs to be done. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+addquestion
[12:15] <Wellark> czajkowski: OK, I'll do that
[12:15] <wgrant> Wellark: Try https://launchpad.net/libhdl/+edit-people
[12:15] <wgrant> Wellark: It looks like the pencil doesn't show up in Internet Explorer.
[12:16] <czajkowski> wgrant: not showing up here on chrome either
[12:16] <czajkowski> I tried to see if I could change it
[12:16] <wgrant> czajkowski: That's because you don't have permissions :)
[12:16] <czajkowski> wgrant: I never have permissions :(
[12:16] <wgrant> We can't steal random projects without admins, for good reason :)
[12:19] <czajkowski> wgrant: aren't you meant to be off, not that I'm not happy to see you
[12:19] <czajkowski> wgrant: why do loggerhead Questions come under lp ?
[12:21] <Wellark> wgrant: I asked the current owner to try another browser
[12:22] <Wellark> if there is a problem with IE, that's a bug, right? :)
[12:22] <StevenK> czajkowski: Because we also maintain it.
[12:23] <StevenK> Loggerhead is a part of the Launchpad Suite
[12:23] <Wellark> czajkowski: I added the question anyway. https://answers.launchpad.net/lp-dev-utils/+question/190418
[12:25] <czajkowski> Wellark: we support chrome and FF as the browsers
[12:25] <czajkowski> Wellark: can you try FF or chrome please.
[12:25]  * StevenK moves it from lp-dev-utils to launchpad
[12:27] <Wellark> czajkowski: I'm on the phone with the owner and he is trying with FF
[12:33] <Wellark> czajkowski: if IE is not supported and it has these kind of known problems could LP show a banner or something like with private projects stating that "IE not supported, things _do_ break." ?
[12:33] <Wellark> czajkowski: ok, I just got a word that it was because of IE
[12:33] <Wellark> with FF it worked
[12:34] <Wellark> that's a worst kind of bug there is, because the site seems to work OK, but some crucial information and functionality is missing without no apparent reason.
[12:34] <Wellark> don't get me wrong, I have no problems that IE is not supported
[12:35] <Wellark> but the fact is that many people do use it and currently there is no red flag telling them it's broken
[12:36] <Wellark> czajkowski: so the question is: should I file a bug?
[12:37] <czajkowski> Wellark: nope no need thanks
[12:37] <Wellark> and thank you for resolving this! :)
[12:37] <czajkowski> we have a page which I'm trying to find which states what browsers we support
[12:37] <czajkowski> I'll also mark your question as resolved.
[12:38] <Wellark> at least I now know to tell people not to use IE with LP in the future
[12:53] <hakermania> Hello! What if I upload a ppa, and then I want to upload a new version of the same ppa (which apparently has different code)? I get error that orig.tar.gz already exists :/
[12:55] <czajkowski> hakermania: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/990
[13:13] <hakermania> czalkowski, let's say that current version is 3.0-0ubuntu3, if I update the version to 3.0-0ubuntu4, the same orig.tar.gz file will be generated...
[13:13] <hakermania> czajkowski, !
[13:14] <geser> shouldn't happen, check the sha1sum of both .orig.tar.gz
[13:15] <hakermania> geser, by the 'same file' I mean with the same filename
[13:16] <hakermania> as a result, it'll say that file already exists.
[13:21] <geser> hakermania: that shouldn't be the problem, if both .orig.tar.gz (the new one and the one LP knows already about) are identical (same sha1sum)
[13:22] <geser> as you have a .orig.tar.gz, you should also have a .debian.tar.gz with the packageing and that should differ between those 2 versions
[13:24] <hakermania> geser, thanks for the answer. I have a question because I think I must clear some things. The orig.tar.gz file must not change in any occasion. Right? Then, if I do a change in the code and I want to upload the new version,, let's say 3.0-0ubuntu4, then what should I do?
[13:24] <hakermania> debuild -S and then dput ppa-name *.changes?
[13:25] <hakermania> Apparently something that will not change the orig.tar.gz file but will let launchpad now about the new changed of the code that are added in the new version
[13:25] <hakermania> changes*
[13:27] <geser> hakermania: your changes should get recorded in debian.tar.gz (or .diff.gz if you're still using v1 packages)
[13:29] <geser> you have .changes, .dsc, .debian.tar.gz and .orig.tar.gz for your upload, right?
[13:31] <hakermania> right
[13:33] <hakermania> geser, !
[13:34] <geser> then figure out why your .orig.tar.gz changed between 3.0-0ubuntu3 and 3.0-0ubuntu4
[13:38] <hakermania> geser, that's what I don't get, if it doesn't change, then how will the code changes be included? (i am missing something apparent here)
[13:38] <IronPatriotNY> Quick question, for an external site, if they would like to have their user system authenticate using openID, should I still use Launchpad for that? Or Ubuntu SSO?
[13:42] <hakermania> IronPartiotNY, why don't you test both of them and see what does it work?
[13:42] <hakermania> I think lp would be fine
[13:47] <geser> hakermania: they get stored in the .debian.tar.gz (as patches or files for debian/*)
[13:50] <IronPatriotNY> hakermania, I guess I will. Do you happen to know if, besides username, email, and teams, if Launchpad can return anything else?
[13:50] <hakermania> IronPatriotNY, define 'return'
[13:50] <hakermania> geser, seriously? And I debuild using -S only?
[13:51] <IronPatriotNY> hakermania,  Well I read with the drupal-teams module that was created for use with launchpad, the Launchpad teams a user is associated with will be available to the client site, to do with it as they please
[13:52] <IronPatriotNY> Was wondering if Launchpad provides any other info.
[13:52] <hakermania> I have no idea :(
[13:53] <IronPatriotNY> lol okay thanks
[13:55] <geser> hakermania: yes, just debuild -S
[13:57] <hakermania> geser, so the steps are: 1) download the orig.tar.gz from the lp and I replace it with the 'changed' orig.tar.gz, then I debuild -S and then I dput?
[13:57] <hakermania> Forgot to add 2) and 3) :P
[13:57] <dobey> IronPatriotNY: you should probably use login.ubuntu.com
[13:58] <geser> hakermania: yes (you can use sha1sum on it to check if it changed or not)
[14:05] <IronPatriotNY> dobey, why do you say that?
[14:07] <dobey> IronPatriotNY: because it's the official way to do that. and doesn't require users to also have a launchpad account
[14:07] <IronPatriotNY> dobey, would I still be able to access the Launchpad teams using that URL though?
[14:07] <dobey> also i think the goal is to eventually make launchpad not be an openid provider, but only a consumer
[14:08] <dobey> IronPatriotNY: you can get team information via sso, yes.
[14:08] <IronPatriotNY> dobey, okay so I'll try that out then thanks
[14:08] <IronPatriotNY> dobey, that's what I was reading, but a lot of the docs aren't updated with newer info
[14:09] <IronPatriotNY> Most dev docs say to use Launchpad for an openid provide, not even mentioning Ubuntu SSO
[14:09] <dobey> well i suspect a lot of docs might not be updated as well
[14:10] <dobey> we use ubuntu sso for ubuntu one, and we use team information on lp for some things. so i know it's doable :)
[14:10] <czajkowski> IronPatriotNY: mind not subscribing launchad to youtube channels. am getting mails to feedback address please.
[14:11] <IronPatriotNY> czajkowski, ?
[14:15] <hakermania> geser, it doesn't work :( debuild -S says: local changes detected, the modified files are: wallch-3.0/mainwindow.cpp and exits with error... Should I make the patches myself or something?
[14:15] <czajkowski> IronPatriotNY: if this is not you aplogies. http://www.youtube.com/user/IronPatriotNY
[14:17] <IronPatriotNY> czajkowski, yes that is me. I don't understand what I did wrong though.
[14:17] <czajkowski> it's subscring lp to youtbe and I'm getting the email
[14:19] <geser> hakermania: which package format are you using? might be that you need to make the patch yourself (not sure when dpkg started doing it itself for 3.0 (quilt) packages)
[14:19] <hakermania> I use quilt
[14:21] <IronPatriotNY> czajkowski,  I subscribed to the launchpad channel on YouTube like I subscribe to everything else.
[14:21] <IronPatriotNY> The channel was already there, I didn't sign up for anything on LP's behalf.
[14:21] <geser> hakermania: you might have to create a quilt patch
[14:22] <hakermania> any good guide?
[14:26] <geser> hakermania: https://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?post/2008/02/05/3-quilt-a-patch-management-system-how-to-survive-with-many-patches looks good
[14:26] <dobey> hakermania: it sounds like you have the files modified in-place, and the patches to those files aren't listed as being applied in .pc; unapply the patches before doing the debuild -S
[14:27] <dobey> "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt pop -a -R" tw.
[14:27] <dobey> err, ftw
[14:28] <hakermania> :( i have to go, sorry. I'll be back in ~3 hours
[15:26] <mgz> czajkowski: you might find the latest comment by mpt on bug 950996 interesting
[15:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 950996 in Launchpad itself "Making your first branch is way too hard" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950996
[17:11] <achiang> hello, i'm trying to create a new private team in LP, and I don't understand what the email contact field is for: http://people.canonical.com/~achiang/lp/new-team.png
[17:11] <achiang> the help text has pretty broken grammar... :-/
[17:15] <dobey> achiang: it's not required. but it's an address for mail to be sent to, when someone clicks "contact this team" in launchpad. generally a mailing list. default is that lp e-mails everyone in the team
[17:16] <achiang> dobey: hm, one reason i wanted to create this team was to get precisely a mailing list. is that field the way i would create a mailing list, or does the list have to exist first (and i put it into that field)?
[17:17] <dobey> achiang: leave the field empty. then set up the mailing list for the team.
[17:20] <achiang> dobey: ah, ok. thanks. not intuitive (imho)
[17:21] <dobey> yeah, problem is it can't be an e-mail address that someone on lp is already using
[17:22] <dobey> which is the really annoying part
[17:41] <czajkowski> mgz: I find lots of stuff mpt posts as interesting now if he'd listen to my bugs I'd be very happy :)
[17:45] <mgz> czajkowski: :)
[18:02] <hakermania> geser, as for the patch, dpkg-source --commit did the trick, but it asks to submit a bug. Is this required?
[19:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: why would he listen to your bugs, he may read them he's not likely to listen to them :P
[20:25] <jness> Hello everyone, I've noticed this afternoon the 'Create Branch' button has been removed from my project.
[20:26] <jness> any word on this, and how I can go about creating a new branch?
[20:36] <jness> is anyone else experiencing the same issue?
[20:37] <beuno> jness, not sure about the button, but you can just push a branch
[20:37] <beuno> bzr push lp:~user/project/branch-name
[20:37] <beuno> and it gets auto-created
[20:37] <jness> beuno: Oh i didn't think of that. Thanks!
[20:38] <beuno> np
[20:38] <beuno> the UI could probably be better at telling you that
[20:39] <jness> Yeah, I had no clue it would auto create. seems I can't create a +junk repo under my name either. I would guess some UI updated broke something.
[21:24] <doko> sinzui, lifeless: any reason that bug 945503 is closed without comment?
[21:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 945503 in Linaro GCC "gcc-4.7 branch imports fails (timeouts)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945503
[21:45] <czajkowski> doko: as I commented already on the bug, it doesnt effect lp and I asked sinzui what to do on the bug and he removed affects LP as the changing of the status back and forth was landing the ticket in my bug queue every day and I had already asked people about it and nad updated the ticket.
[21:45] <czajkowski> *and
[21:52] <doko> czajkowski, well, just importing 500 revisions with each batch seems to cause a lot of overhead. and why isn't this an issue for launchpad?
[21:53] <doko> czajkowski, no, this question wasn't answered
[21:54] <czajkowski> doko: I asked sinzui about the bug, twice last week and each time I marked the bug invaldi and each time you re opened it. so he removed the effecting lp bit.
[21:55] <doko> czajkowski, so you do not want to answer the question?
[21:56] <czajkowski> doko: the reason it was closed?
 czajkowski, well, just importing 500 revisions with each batch seems to cause a lot of overhead. and why isn't this an issue for launchpad?
[21:57] <czajkowski> doko: you'd have to check with sinzui again I guess
[22:18] <computa_mike> got a question - I've been compiling KXStitch - and it works great but I wanted to get into the repository.  There's already a project but it hasn't moved on since Maverick.  I don't want to duplicate a load of effort here, so what do we advise?   It was registered in 2005, but there are no download files....
[22:18] <computa_mike> https://code.launchpad.net/kxstitch
[22:40] <Corey> What's the approved method for deleting binaries from a PPA?
[22:42] <cnd> I administer the utouch-bugs team on lp
[22:42] <cnd> it's mostly used for subscribing to any utouch bug reports
[22:42] <cnd> I receive utouch bug email just fine through the subscription
[22:42] <cnd> but when I go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~utouch-bugs/+bugs
[22:42] <cnd> I don't see most of them
[22:43] <cnd> why is that, and/or how do I get a complete list of bugs that utouch-bugs is subscribed to?
[22:44] <cnd> as an example, I receive bug reports through utouch-bugs for bug 944822
[22:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 944822 in utouch-geis "Client doesn't get gestures from newly available device" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944822
[22:44] <cnd> but I don't see that listed
[22:51] <wgrant> cnd: That page only shows bugs that the team is directly related to. In the case of that bug, clicking "Edit bug mail" will reveal that it's a subscription to the whole project. https://launchpad.net/~utouch-bugs/+structural-subscriptions lists all such subscriptions.
[22:52] <cnd> wgrant, how can I list all the bugs to create a report, essentially, like what I expected https://bugs.launchpad.net/~utouch-bugs/+bugs to do
[23:02] <wgrant> cnd: There's no way list everything right now. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~utouch-bugs/+packagebugs provides a summary of the counts of various categories by subscribed package (not by project), and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.structural_subscriber=utouch-bugs lists the corresponding bugs. https://launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.structural_subscriber=utouch-bugs *should* ...
[23:02] <wgrant> ... show everything, but at present it's likely to just time out.
[23:03] <cnd> ok


[07:19]  * smb thinks ppisati just fell from his chair... or mumble died on some end
[07:27] <apw> which is more reliable mumble or the chair
[07:27] <apw> i suspect the chair by some margin
[07:27] <apw> smb, moin
[07:28] <smb> apw, Possibly. Though he did not react on the irc nudging either...
[07:28] <smb> apw, moin. Man did we all fall out of bed this morning?
[07:28] <RAOF> apw: How are the firebees today?
[07:45] <apw> RAOF, they are going to be toasty again for sure
[08:54] <psivaa> bjf: jjohansen: I'm planning to release the regression testing task for bug #1199285 based on your feedback to the bug #1201530 as to whether it's a real regression, if that's OK
[08:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1199285 in Kernel SRU Workflow security-signoff "linux-lts-quantal: 3.5.0-37.58~precise1 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199285
[08:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201530 in ubuntu-kernel-tests "Failure in apparmor tests with quantal lts-hwe 3.5.0-37.58~precise1-generic <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201530
[08:56] <jjohansen> psivaa: can you rerun the regression tests and see if it shows up in the QA env, we have had bugs in the past where they would only surface in a given env because of how the env is set up (eg. QA env setting the dump location)
[08:58] <psivaa> jjohansen: not sure if i understand correctly, but this was run in QA env. Do you want me to see if it's occurring again?
[08:58] <jjohansen> psivaa: yes please
[08:59] <jjohansen> I am trying to determine whether its a repeatable failure in the QA env
[08:59] <psivaa> jjohansen: ack, will do in a bit, i have started to run something else in that machine
[10:29] <ppisati> brb
[12:05]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[13:33] <arges> is there a meta-package for linux-source for linux-image-lts-quantal / raring? linux-source just installs the 3.2 kernel on my 12.04.2 install
[13:35] <rtg> arges, I don't think there _is_ a linux-source package for the LTS kernels, is there ?
[13:35] <psivaa> jjohansen: so, I could not see the failure when re-running the apparmor tests a few times.
[13:35] <Sarvatt> not seeing one in the lts-quantal packaging at least
[13:35] <psivaa> i.e. could not reproduce bug 1201530
[13:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201530 in ubuntu-kernel-tests "Failure in apparmor tests with quantal lts-hwe 3.5.0-37.58~precise1-generic <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201530
[13:36] <arges> rtg: well what i'm looking for is... i did a fresh 12.04.2 install.I want to have the 3.5 sources installed, which package do I need
[13:36] <arges> instead of apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`
[13:37] <rtg> arges, I'm not sure you can.
[13:38] <arges> is there a way to make a linux-sources-lts-quantal package to pull that in perhaps?
[13:39] <rtg> arges, not without extending the LTS packaging to actually produce a linux-sources binary package.
[13:39] <arges> ok. thanks
[13:52] <psivaa> sbeattie: jjohansen: I am able to reproduce a security test failure issue though, bug #1201781 when testing linux-ti-omap4: 3.2.0-1435.46
[13:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201781 in ubuntu-kernel-tests "test_010_proc_maps fails on panda-es with 3.2.0-1435-omap4 #46" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201781
[14:24] <bjf> psivaa, i'm ok with you adding a note saying that you were not able to reproduce the failure and release the kernel from testing
[14:25] <apw> psivaa, ok that signage issue should be gone in any new images made after 'now'
[14:25] <bjf> brendand, per your question from yesterday, there has been no change in the schedule. When kernels are available for testing (marked as such via the tracking bug) is not based on the schedule but on when the associated bugs have been verified
[14:26] <bjf> brendand, the point of the kernel-sru-announce mailing list is to send out notifications if / when there are changes to the schedule
[14:26] <psivaa> bjf: ack
[14:28] <psivaa> apw: ack, ill release the qa testing task  for the precise omap4 kernel as well
[14:29] <brendand> bjf, should the backport kernels be considered verified before their parent kernels have been though? that's what was confusing
[14:29] <psivaa> apw, ohh i assume you did not talk about bug #1201781?
[14:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201781 in ubuntu-kernel-tests "test_010_proc_maps fails on panda-es with 3.2.0-1435-omap4 #46" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201781
[14:30] <apw> brendand, they can be verified if all their branch specific bugs are complete, though they are subject to the parent branch passing as well
[14:30] <bjf> brendand, it wasn't what i was expecting and in the future that's less likely to happen
[14:30] <apw> psivaa, i am referring to bug #1201444
[14:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201444 in linux-signed (Ubuntu Raring) "linux and linux-signed may becomes skewed due to loose dependancy (was Secure boot signature verification of linux kernel is failing with today's images)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201444
[14:30] <psivaa> apw: ack, just realised it, thanks :)
[14:33] <psivaa> bjf: Would like to know how to proceed with the precise omap4 kernel because the security test failure ^(1201781) is reproducible
[14:33] <bjf> psivaa, looking
[14:34] <bjf> psivaa, i don't see any comments from any of the security dudes. have you pointed them at it?
[14:35] <psivaa> bjf: i did jjohansen and sbeattie , not sure if they are the only ones to point at :)
[14:36] <bjf> psivaa, that's good enough. did they have anything to say about it?
[14:36] <psivaa> bjf: not yet, waiting though.
[14:37] <psivaa> bjf: ok i must have rushed a bit, i'll wait
[14:37] <bjf> psivaa, ack. nothing i can really add then. i depend on them to let me know if it's the kernel or an issue with the test.
[14:37] <psivaa> bjf: ack
[15:08] <jsalisbury> **
[15:08] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:08] <jsalisbury> **
[15:10] <rtg> apw, any prgress on overlayfs ? I see that file_operations.readdir has morphed into file_operations.iterate with more complex semantics.
[15:21] <ppisati> brb
[15:28] <apw> rtg, i was just about to start looking at those, i had just pulled up my aufs tree to see if that was available
[15:28] <rtg> apw, aufs changed his repository location, didn't he ?
[15:29] <apw> yeah
[15:29] <rtg> where to ?
[15:30] <apw> rtg, working on that, cause i followed his last move, and now i don't have the latest still so something is amiss, give me a sec
[15:33] <apw> rtg, seems he since has had sf.net shit itself on his repos and lose them, oh the joy
[15:34] <rtg> apw, that doesn't say much for SF disk management
[15:34] <apw> rtg in theory git://git.code.sf.net/p/aufs/aufs3-standalone is his latest ...
[15:34] <apw> rtg, i suspect it was finger trouble as much as anything
[15:34] <apw> rtg i will look at updating it and see
[15:36] <rtg> apw, looks like he has a July 15 update
[15:36] <apw> yeah i'll give it a tug and see
[15:47] <apw> rtg, well it
[15:47] <apw> rtg, well it builds at least (aufs) standalone, so will see if it links to the kernel and test it
[16:14] <apw> rtg, have you booted unstable at all ?
[16:15] <bjf> that doesn't sound like a good question
[16:21] <apw> heh, not looking good on one of my boxes for sure, on either of the ones i normally test
[16:21] <apw> rtg, i am seeing hard hangs during boot on amd64 and panics with splash on i386
[16:23] <rtg> apw, thats before aufs is in use ?
[16:24] <apw> well before indeed, during early boot in both cases
[16:24] <apw> for i386 i am seeing oopses in addrconf_notify out of what looks like a network address update
[16:25] <apw> rtg, does it boot ok for you, i wonder if this is ipv6 related as they are temporary addresses it is changing
[16:25] <apw> oh i feel a nice cider coming on
[16:25] <rtg> apw, I haven't actually tried it since -rc1
[16:26] <apw> rtg, so it could be bust anyhow ... ok
[16:27] <rtg> apw, I'm working on booting the daily on a tunnel mountain UEFI system
[16:28] <apw> heh what could possibly go wrong
[16:28] <rtg> apw, well, it could completely wreck that system, for starters
[16:28] <apw> rtg, there is only ext4 changes in linus' tree isnce -rc1
[16:29] <rtg> apw, have you tried mainline -rc1 ?

[16:30] <apw> rtg nope, will do so now
[16:39] <jjohansen> psivaa: okay, thanks we may need to access a QA machine to narrow down why its failing. I will try again here first though
[16:39] <jjohansen> psivaa: as for 1201781 that sounds like a race
[16:39] <jjohansen> in the test
[16:40] <psivaa> jjohansen: ack, i ran the test locally on a pandaboard though
[16:42] <jjohansen> psivaa: for bug 1201530?
[16:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201530 in ubuntu-kernel-tests "Failure in apparmor tests with quantal lts-hwe 3.5.0-37.58~precise1-generic <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201530
[16:42] <psivaa> jjohansen: no, that was run on a machine in the lab, sorry. it's the other 1201781 that i ran locally
[16:43] <jjohansen> psivaa: okay, thanks
[16:43] <psivaa> jjohansen: so if the race is in the test, what's the next step?
[16:47] <jjohansen> psivaa: as bjf said for 1201530 add a note that you where unable to reproduce the failure and release the kernel from testing
[16:47] <jjohansen> for 1201781 if its the test, you add a note that the test has been confirmed to have a race and release the kernel from testing
[16:48] <psivaa> jjohansen: i have released the testing task that was held up by bug  1201530
[16:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201530 in ubuntu-kernel-tests "Failure in apparmor tests with quantal lts-hwe 3.5.0-37.58~precise1-generic <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201530
[16:48] <jjohansen> psivaa: I am assuming 1201781 is a race but haven't looked into it yet
[16:49] <jjohansen> psivaa: ack
[16:49] <psivaa> jjohansen: ok, i'll wait for your verdict then?
[16:49] <psivaa> re 1201781
[16:53] <apw> rtg, ok i've arbitrarily pushed the aufs update to unstable, give it builds and unstable is a heap anyhow
[16:53] <apw> i'll look at overlayfs in the morning
[16:53] <rtg> apw, ack.
[16:54] <rtg> apw, I'll work on figuring out the boot problem
[16:54] <apw> sounds good to me, i fancy a beer in the garden
[16:54] <rtg> apw, hmm, you said cider before, so which is it ?
[16:54] <apw> beer can mean either in the context of a garden :)
[16:55]  * smb is getting thirsty
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <apw> smb, it is night time where you are, you might not get one before closing
[16:56] <smb> apw, My fridge is open 24/7
[16:56] <smb> Well not literally
[17:16]  * ppisati -> gym
[17:27]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:43] <infinity> zequence: You need to update your configs.
[17:43] <infinity> apw: There's a magic thing for that, right?  updateconfigs or something?
[17:57] <bjf> infinity, yes, fdr updateconfigs
[17:58] <infinity> zequence: ^
[18:17] <zequence> infinity: oh, something has changed?
[18:18] <zequence> Where is updateconfigs and which configs does it update?
[18:18] <zequence> Sorry to be so late with uploading the kernels, btw
[18:22]  * apw isn't sure i'd expect you to need to updateconfigs on lowlatency cause it has only overlays
[18:22] <apw> infinity, where is the failure
[18:24] <rtg> apw, it looks like a sysctl is being written when 3.11-rc1 burns in. Is that what you saw ?
[18:25] <infinity> apw: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-kernel/+archive/linux-lowlatency-sru/+build/4799579
[18:25] <apw> rtg it was a config variable, being changed via procfs i think
[18:25] <apw> rtg but very similar
[18:25] <infinity> zequence: "debian/rules updateconfigs" is what bjf implied.
[18:25] <rtg> apw,  right, I meant procfs
[18:26] <apw> rtg, tmpaddr somethign in the stack
[18:27] <apw> zequence, i don't expect updateconfigs to work on lowlatecy
[18:27] <zequence> apw: ok
[18:27] <apw> because of the way it works
[18:27] <apw> zequence, i assume yours is pushed to the normal place
[18:27] <zequence> apw: I've changed the repo now..
[18:27] <apw> zequence, so i can test against it and tell you how to fix it yourself next time
[18:28] <apw> and this is all quantal yes
[18:28] <zequence> quantal only so far
[18:29] <zequence> https://github.com/ubuntustudio-kernel/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git
[18:29] <zequence> apw: ^
[18:29] <apw> zequence, thanks, i'll sort out why this is happeneing and get you the info shotrly
[18:30] <rtg> apw, addrconf_notify
[18:30] <zequence> apw: Greatly appreciated
[18:30] <apw> rtg, the self same one then
[18:30] <apw> tmaddr is one up i think from teh eip there
[18:31] <apw> anyhow, the same signature for sure
[18:43] <rtg> apw, this is likely our fault: 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: (no-up) ipv6: make the net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr sysctl propagate to interface settings'
[18:43] <apw> rtg, ooops
[18:44] <rtg> addrconf_use_tempaddr() calls dev_tempaddr_change((struct inet6_dev *)table->extra1), but table->extra1 is NULL I think
[18:44] <rtg> lemme have a look at 3.10
[18:45] <apw> rtg, rip it out i say and if that fixes it send it back to the submitter
[18:46] <rtg> apw, I'll rip it out to make certain that is indeed what is causing the crash.
[18:46] <rtg> I think xnox write it
[18:58] <nessita> hello! is this the proper channel to ask about what it looks a kernel bug in raring?
[18:58] <nessita> bug is LP: #1201528
[18:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201528 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[Realtek ALC889] - Audio Playback Unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201528
[19:00] <bjf> nessita, right channel. our sound expert is in the EU. he will probably see your bug tomorrow
[19:01] <nessita> bjf, great, shall I do anything else about this?
[19:01] <bjf> nessita, not at the moment. see if diwic takes a look at your bug. he's quite responsive.
[19:02] <nessita> bjf, ack, will do, thanks
[19:03] <rtg> apw, that appears to have been the problem.
[19:20] <apw> rtg, ok good
[19:20] <rtg> apw, I think I found the fix. am testing now
[19:21] <rtg> building, rather. will test soon thereafter
[19:21] <rtg> they were playing some games with void *, so the compiler could not detect the change.
[19:32] <rtg> apw, fix made and pushed
[19:32] <apw> rtg great
[19:44] <xnox> rtg: me?! i am not the usual suspect for ubuntu:sauce: kernel patches.....
[19:44] <xnox> =)
[19:45] <rtg> xnox, wrong nick, sorry
[19:46] <rtg> I was thinking of Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
[19:46] <apw> zequence, infinity, ok what is wrong here is that the tree wasn't clean enough; if you git clean -x -f d; fdr clean; fdr prepare-lowlatency; then you avoid the issue
[19:47] <rtg> cyphermox is whom I should have mentioned.
[19:47] <cyphermox_> yes?
[19:47] <rtg> cyphermox_, just pushed a patch to saucy unstable to fix a SAUCE patch that you wrote.
[19:48] <rtg> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (no-up) ipv6: make the net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr sysctl propagate to interface settings
[19:48] <rtg> cyphermox_, no action required on your part
[19:48] <cyphermox_> ok
[19:56] <zequence> apw: I did the update from clean trees, so I don't think that was the issue, unless I screwed something up
[19:56] <zequence> Ah, or did I really miss a step there - sorry if that is the case
[19:57] <zequence> No, it was clean before I started
[20:01]  * rtg -> EOD
[20:02] <zequence> Can't be another faulty RAM issue?
[20:08] <zequence> I'm building again to see
[20:21] <zequence> infinity: new upload, so perhaps this one will work
[20:22] <infinity> zequence: Definitely wasn't a faulty RAM issue, no, it was clearly fallout from the config change in master.
[20:24] <apw> zequence, infinity, ok what is wrong here is that the tree wasn't clean enough; if you git clean -x -f d; fdr clean; fdr prepare-lowlatency; then you avoid the issue
[20:24] <infinity> zequence: If that upload really was "no change", it'll fail all the same.
[20:26] <zequence> apw: infinity: I'm definately sure that the tree was clean this time, but it should have been last time too, since I hadn't done any work previously.
[20:27] <infinity> zequence: Did you debdiff your old and new uploads before uploading to see if anything had changed?
[20:27] <zequence> nope, let me do that
[20:27] <infinity> And if it did, indeed, change, a changelog better than "no change" would have been nice. :P
[20:28] <infinity> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145114059/linux-lowlatency_3.5.0-37.38_3.5.0-37.39.diff.gz
[20:28] <infinity> Definitely not "no change".
[20:31] <apw> yeah i have fallen for this one before, it being prepared for another release even can trigger issues
[20:31] <zequence> ah, maybe that is it
[20:32] <zequence> it's the wrong version
[20:32] <apw> infinity, you should find and fdr clean; fdr updateconfigs will just run if it is right
[20:33] <infinity> You people and your "fdr"...
[20:33] <infinity> I do sincerely hope that updateconfigs doesn't actually need (fake)root. :)
[20:35] <hrw> hi
[20:36] <hrw> does someone know why 3.10.2/saucy does not bring up cpu1-7 on my i7?
[20:36] <zequence> apw: infinity: sorry, now I see it. I did miss to clean, so the debdiff showed the result of that then?
[20:37] <hrw> I got something broken with grub so boot drops me to grub console. Loading kernel with "linux /boot/vmlinux-3.10.2" + "initrd /boot/initrd-3.10.1" + "boot" == only cpu0 booted and machine reboots few seconds later
[20:38] <hrw> any ideas?
[20:40]  * zequence really needs to script the maintenance procedure to avoid this kind of stuff
[20:45] <infinity> zequence: If you want to knock that last revision out of git to remove the silly changelog entry and give me a clean 37.38, I can push it directly to the kernel PPA and bypass yours.
[20:46] <infinity> zequence: (That is, the current state of the package looks good, you can just remove that changelog entry and move your tags)
[20:48] <zequence> infinity: Sure. give me moment
[20:50] <zequence> infinity: Ah, right. But you can just take the tag that was for the first build, no? And I just delete the last commit (and tag 37.39)
[20:51] <infinity> Deleting commits doesn't work so well in git, does it?
[20:51] <infinity> But you can revert it, sure.
[20:51] <hrw> shit.
[20:52] <infinity> Well, moving tags doesn't work so well either, but meh. :)
[20:52] <hrw> looks like I have to dig in recycle bin to find ubuntu livecd and hope it will boot
[20:53] <infinity> zequence: Where's the git for lowlatency?  I'll clone this and roll my own while you sort out what you want to do to it. :)
[20:53] <zequence> infinity: https://github.com/ubuntustudio-kernel/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git
[20:54] <zequence> infinity: Why not just keep the commit as it is? It's just a line in the changelog after all
[20:54] <zequence> or a few, I mean
[20:55] <infinity> Because I'm anal about unprofessional looking changelogs.  But your call.
[20:55] <infinity> If it were in main, I'd probably reject it outright, as the changelog is both uninformative and a lie. :)
[20:55] <zequence> infinity: Should it have been: UBUNTU: Lowlatency-3.5.0-37.39?
[20:56] <infinity> No, it should have not said "no change", when clearly there was a change, or the upload would have been unnecessary. :)
[20:56] <infinity> But, the point of testing in PPAs is that we can undo these things, not keep piling on top, so meh.  Let's just undo it.
[20:56] <infinity> (And learn a valuable lesson about local testbuilds before uploading)
[20:58] <zequence> infinity: ok, sorry for the trouble. lesson learned
[20:59]  * zequence is getting some more cores for his server next week so he doesn't need to do this stuff on his client machine
[20:59] <infinity> zequence: Bah, I do it on my laptop. :)
[21:00] <infinity> And I do linux-ppc on an 8-year-old machine...
[21:00] <infinity> (Probably not a fair comparison, given how fast that machine was 8 years ago, but it's finally feeling it's age)
[21:00]  * hrw starts to hate ubuntu^W kernel
[21:01] <infinity> Oh god, cloning a kernel tree over hotel wireless is like shaving your junk with a cheese grater.
[21:01] <infinity> hrw: Would you like me to mail you a livecd? :P
[21:02] <hrw> infinity: 12.10 livecd just went to trashcan for not booting
[21:02] <infinity> hrw: I'm not entirely sure how you expect a mismatched kernel and initrd to like each other.  Though, I'm not sure that's the root of whatever problem you're having either.
[21:03] <hrw> infinity: that line was typo - I have kernel+initrd matching
[21:03] <infinity> And I assume by "3.10.2", you mean "3.10.0-2"?
[21:04] <hrw> infinity: ~latest saucy one
[21:04] <infinity> Well, there's a -3 now, it might love you more.
[21:05] <infinity> If you can boot...
[21:05] <infinity> Surely, you still have the previous kernel?
[21:05] <hrw> -3 was in proposed last time I saw
[21:05] <hrw> infinity: no, I remove old kernels
[21:05] <hrw> infinity: and 3.10.0-2 was running perfectly fine
[21:05] <infinity> Tsk, tsk.
[21:05] <infinity> Our autoremoval magic intentionally keeps at least one more around for this sort of thing.
[21:06] <hrw> then oopsed/hang and after reboot I got to lain grub console and kernel is unable to smpboot
[21:06] <infinity> If you boot with nosmp does it work?
[21:08] <hrw> infinity: this time I end with unable to mount root
[21:08] <hrw> how to tell which fslabel is root for kernel?
[21:08] <hrw> uuid is too long to type ;d
[21:09] <infinity> Is your grub config buggered and no longer sane?
[21:10] <infinity> You can always use root=/dev/sda2 or whatever, like an old skooler.  UUID isn't required.
[21:10] <hrw> "linux /boot/vmlinux-3.10.0-2 nosmp rescue single debug" (+ initrd + boot) == 'unable to mount root'
[21:10] <hrw> sure, but I always forget which sdX my ssd is
[21:12] <hrw> and list of all partitions is empty anyway ;(
[21:12] <hrw> time to start bake own kernels like in old times...
[21:12] <hrw> and have kernel which boots to hdd without any modules
[21:56] <hrw> uf. booted


 lots of porting to do 👀
 Gotta port fast
 @mariogrip
 @PhoenixLandPirate, should we start a porting contest?  guiness book of world records for the fastest ever port?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/foh4dlYO.mp4
 This is how porting should go
 it doesn't
 :(
 (Photo, 1280x461) https://irc.ubports.com/TFb0D0xn.png
 This is what I was trying to refer to but Marius wasn't here to get the joke
 @PhoenixLandPirate, this is quality
 @wayneoutthere, Agreed
[02:19] <ubptgbot> <Igor Dikiy> @trainailleur, Hello Stephen, I was wondering how you installed CyanogenMod on your nook. Maybe I should start there. By the way, I realized what I have is a Nook HD+
 Ah.  What I have is the one which was actually named "Nook Tablet."  Codename was "acclaim."  I don't remember the steps I took, but it was probably originally following whatever instructions Cyanogenmod had, as it was an officially supported device through CM11 or so.
 @Igor Dikiy, Ah.  What I have is the one which was actually named "Nook Tablet."  Codename was "acclaim."  I don't remember the steps I took, but it was probably originally following whatever instructions Cyanogenmod had, as it was an officially supported device through CM11 or so. … The HD models came later, I believe.
 So I think we're talking about different hardware unfortunately.
 From looking at XDA, it seems that some people have gotten Lineage 14.1 to run on the HD/HD+.  They might be a potential source of info: … https://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-hd/development
[05:15] <ubptgbot> MCAdkins was added by: MCAdkins
 How long should I expect the flash to a OPO to take
 @TartanSpartan, This is not only in libertine, I get this also in the normal browser. From fresh 16.04 install.
 @Flohack, Apparently removing a dep works.
 It's on my todo list to hunt this down.
 @tsimonq2, #define UBUNTU_LEAN_AND_MEAN
 @Flohack, :D
 @MCAdkins, Hi Michael, Welcome , Pls try starting here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @MCAdkins, Flashing is not a fast process but it shouldn't take hours. If you have a OPO, read this https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1015/howto-opo-fix-mtp-driver-permissions
[09:03] <ubptgbot> Danjreynolds was added by: Danjreynolds
 Is the native telegram functional? It shows no contacts and messages for this sane account
 @Danjreynolds, Hi Dan, welcome , You may want to visit this site also https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Danjreynolds, Yes that is normal at the moment
 @Danjreynolds, [Edit] Yes that is normal at the moment, it a supergroup telegram known feature, but we all are here 😉
 @trainailleur, I had that but the battery died. Those are quite long in the tooth now
 @Danjreynolds, Always good to restart the device after install/upgrade of Telegram
 @Danjreynolds, [Edit] Yes that is normal at the moment, it is a supergroup telegram known feature, but we all are here 😉
 @milkor73, No contacts, yes. No messages?
 Messages ok
 Just contacts missing
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/ItVOrgYK.png
 This is expected. API for Channels changed a lot, actually the members are OVERWRITTEN by the chat API that sends 0 participants. I decide dnot to fix that as it is not so easy ;)
 NP for me 🙂
 In the "chat zone" of this supergroup I can't see the total number of members but I can see it clicking on Contacts icon. … In Milan's screenshot is 0 though
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/AungmeR1.png
 @advocatux, Its working sometimes, sometimes not. A race condition between 2 API calls lol
 https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html here it says that Storage: 16GB of storage is generally enough for any Halium-based OS. My phone has 8gb internal memory. So I can't port halium to it?
 nobody can tell until you try
 if /boot is big enough, it will surely work
 read __generally_
 [Edit] read generally
 @vanyasem, oh yes thanks
 n4 8 gig works *shrugs*
 "generally"
 also, ask halium questions in @halium
 8gig is plenty to boot on, but you can't store a lot of high res videos and music on it
 @vanyasem, already did. they say the same thing
 but totally usable as a phone and for network stuff
 @redshaman, i am on halium team, no wonder our answers were the same lol
 you could probably port to a 4GB device if you wanted to
 @dohbee, It's okay. I can always use sd card
 right
 16GB is a good metric because most modern phones come with at least that much
 but it's not a minimum
 which halium I will need for ubuntu touch? 5.1 or 7.1?
 I see that all supported devices are now rather aged. Are there any newer models in sight? So that I know in which direction to invest? … It feels a bit weird to buy a 4 year-old device, used, to have the top-notch device for running  UT convergence. 😳
 @peterbittner, you're welcome to buy a brand new device and try to port it
 @dohbee, Of course I expected that kind of advice.
 it's not easy and everyone doing this is doing it in their spare time with devices they own, as a labor of love
 HTC 10 was released in 2016. is it still too old?
 fairphone 2 is still purchasable new
 Pro 5 is late 2015
 Don't get me wrong, I'm running quite a couple of FLOSS projects myself on GitHub. I understand the general problem. Just want to know whether there is some talk behind the scences about "the next great device" that will be ported.
 i'm sorry that ubports is not google and doesn't have billions of dollars on hand to make new devices that fit directly with the goals of the os, and are stuck having to hope that manufacturers release kernel sources and vendor trees so that ports are even possible
 seeing whatsapp, telegram and other android apps in ubuntu touch would be great
 afaik HTC 10 and OnePlus 5 are probably the "next great devices" that people are working on
 telegram is already in ubuntu
 @dohbee, HTC 10 is not listed as supported device. http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices/
 you are asking for something to be the "next great device" and also already be supported? those are not the same thing
 they are not supported devices yet because the ports are not finished with daily builds
 so yeah if you want to install ubuntu on htc 10 today, you have to build it yourself and flash it on manually. no OTAs and such yet
 and all new devices will only have 16.04, no 15.04 images
 16.04 sounds better than 15.04. … What is the deal with 18.04?  Would that be available for mobile devices? Is Canonical doing something under the hood which would support the achievements of the UBports project? (snaps is enstablished as a packaging format, that would be one step
[15:38] <ubptgbot> already)
 16.04 sounds better but it is not stable yet
 Or are they just struggling with getting Wayland out of the LTS, before it's too late?
 18.04 will take a huge amount of work to get working
 wayland is still going to be in 18.04
 it's just not the default
 Oh, is it? So, what was all the rumours? Weird.
 canonical is not investing in phone development at all, no
 what rumors?
 X11 is the default.
 Wayland is just a protocol and it's baked in to gtk+ and stuff. removing it would be an incredible waste of time
 That Wayland is not going to be default in the LTS.
 rather, wayland support is also being added to Mir
 well that's not a rumor, it's fact
 but default and in and not exclusive properties
 Alright, so it's just that I phrased it a wrong way.
 switching the default there was a trivial change
 I'm going to stop commenting now before I start questioning QA on the Gnome project. (And blaming them for instability and memory issues on 17.10.)
 Okay, so OnePlus is probably a safe choice as an investment. That's fine, that's what I wanted to understand.
 You can also take a peek to https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/supplementary/devices/index.html and make your bet
 Is there a way to change the default responses when declining a call and replying with a text message?
 @advocatux, Thanks! - Just for clarification: OnePlus 5 doesn't include OnePlus 5T, does it?
 Probably not - they don't have unified lineage builds either
 (unlike 3 and 3t)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/RBhQabTF.webp
 @AmolithSeregion, that... is a great question. I have been looking for this for a long time, haha
 we need a 'power user' guide/video series (already verbally planning in marketing/community but takes so much work/time)
 @wayneoutthere, Lol. Does anyone know?
 @wayneoutthere, I can make a video guide how to use the installer on Windows 😆
 I need to speak with you... outside.  *wink*
 (joking - plus i have absolutely no idea what that meant)
 hehe
 According to this https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/get-sources.html I need lineage.dependencies file but my device is not officially supported by LineageOS so I don't have it. What should I use instead?
 Really? Everyone is sleeping or what? :D
 Did you already find the device tree for your device?
[18:27] <ubptgbot> xXx was added by: xXx
 And which device are you porting?
 @redshaman, Say this again when there are 100 msgs per minute here
 @JBBgameich, Yes. I already got the answer
 I need to use local_manifests file
 Error is marked with red and my devices manifest file with green
 (Photo, 846x105) https://irc.ubports.com/BPZ2vPnf.png
 I need to move my device's manifest file to .repo and rename it to manifest.xml?
 you are trying to use a remote "github", which doesn't exist ...
 No wait, it's something different
 After making your changes, you need to run ./halium/devices/setup codename again, to download the git repositories using repo
 But what happend to your default manifest.xml? It shouldn't be changed for porting
 Let me tell you what I did. I cloned manifest files into repo and then tried to run repo sync
 This error popped out
 I didn't made any changes to that manifest.xml file
 I thought it should be my devices manifest file
 You shouldn't use the local_manifests folder at all. After repo init, add the manifest to halium/devices/manifests/codename.xml
 But I think that's described in the documentation
 @JBBgameich, Yeah just read it again. My device manifest is called coreprimeve3g.xml. I need to move it from local manifests to halium/devices/manifests/ ?
 Correct
 and then run the `./halium/devices/setup coreprimeve3g`
 Thank You. Can I write here if new errors will come out?
 This is really content for the Halium group. Also, please rename your manifest to `manufacturer_codename.xml`
 [Edit] This is really content for the Halium group. Also, please rename your manifest to `$manufacturer_$codename.xml`
 @JBBgameich, Okay. No problem. I will ask there. But what's this group about for?
 @JBBgameich, If it's a samsung device, then `samsung_coreprimeve3g.xml` should be the correct
 @JBBgameich, Got it. Manual says so
 @redshaman, This group is more general ubports talk
 @redshaman, The UBports supergroup is more for general Ubuntu Touch questions. The Halium group is for general porting with Halium, and once you have Halium working, there's a UBports porting group for making Ubuntu Touch work with Halium on your device.
 I am sorry if my questions was against rules. Will ask new ones in Halium group. And thanks for help
 No problem. It's not generally disallowed to ask porting questions here, it's just much more likely that someone will answer them when asked in the Halium group.
 https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SergiQuilesPérez/posts/DADiftg6ZWH
 (Photo, 469x72) https://irc.ubports.com/9uEZhqLm.png
 Does anybody know it? :-/
 available for what?
 I think he means for desktop
 Hi! We can install some apps in UBports 16.04 if we open the browser and download through the openstore website. but I do not know if it is advisable ... … open.uappexplorer.com - OpenStore
 16.04 will receive a working store in the next devel
 @malditobastardo, Ooo yay
 Yesss!!! :-)
 @malditobastardo, When it will be?
 there's a 16.04 update everyday I believe the only exception is sunday
 But with that being said, some Sundays their are updates so *shrugs*
 So, it will be soon...wonderful!!!
 @Jyoti, open-store.io
 @sergiqp, i think that's just the stock ubuntu wallpaper, maybe from 17.10?
 Ubuntu touch drains battery or not?
 I do not think the Ubuntu tounch drains battery. Mine is quite good
 Maybecanbe better, but is not bad actually
 good. if somehow whatsapp will appear then I can live in that system forever
 not a big fan of whatsapp but everybody around uses it so I need too for keeping contact ))
 Telegramis much better then whatsapp. But you are right, if you have both is better
 anything that's powered on will drain battery :)
 @redshaman, Tbf people is the only reason I still use telegram.
 Then again if no one had any media app, I wouldnt use anything so
 I guess Im the fool in this one
 When he asked if is draining battery he means, "draining more then usually" :-)
 @Jyoti, exactly :)
[20:13] <ubptgbot> Einser Pasch was added by: Einser Pasch
 yes i know that. but it really depends on how you use the phone
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> Hey guys I tried to flash a oneplus one with the ubports installer 0.1.11-beta. … Now the phone is dead. … Doesn't react in any way anymore.  … Any help?
 and why halium
 what's the relationship of ubuntu touch with halium
 if you enable notifications for everything and the phone is constantly polling servers, for example, it's going to use a lot more battery
 halium is the future way of building the android layer
 initiated by the ubports devs
 so future releases of ubports will be built on top of halium
 a question about oxide: which branch of https://github.com/ubports/oxide/branches is used for 16.04?
[20:26] <ubptgbot> ridams was added by: ridams
 or is it already replaced by QtWebEngine?
 it is not yet afaik
 i presume the "xenial" branch is used for xenial
 Yep
 porting webbrowser-app to qtwebengine is a lot of work, too
 Just asking because I've made a small change to 1.19, and not sure if it has arrived in xenial
 and getting rid of oxide will break lots of apps. not sure if oxide could be made into a wrapper for webengine
 I only see "master", "crmaster" and 1.16 ... 1.22, which one is xenial ?
 i guess xenial builds are from master there, rather
 actually I like oxide : )
 ok thanks
 but also quite a lot of effort to move to new versions I guess
 it's ok, sure, but it's a pain to maintain, because chromium is a pain
 for me even setting up an environment to build it was a challenge :  )
 you probably need to re-propose your fix to the master branch, it probably shouldn't have been done on the 1.19 branch
 especially since releases are already up to 1.22 i guess
 the only problem, by bq is my daily phone (my only Ubports device), and I'm not sure I should put 16.04 on it already
 hmm, yeah, there's no debian dir there even. i don't recall how exactly those packages get built
 you probably shouldn't
 and updates to 15.04 are very unlikely
[20:45] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> Hey guys I just try to install Ubuntu touch to my oneplus one. But I can only enter the fast boot mode. And then nothing more happens. I have the latest installer... … Any help?
 Last year I got it to work somehow that I can test my patches on the phone (if I can reproduce it I will post it to the forum)
 On a Ubuntu 16.04 host, I have to run the UBPorts installer with sudo in order to get it to recognize OnePlus One in fastboot.
 it was with ENABLE_COMPONENT_BUILD
 Also verify unlocked bootloader and that adb and fastboot are working.
[20:48] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> @trainailleur, I use Windows 8.1
 The folks in Welcome and Install room are generally a good source of help. … @WelcomePlus
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Einser Pasch> @trainailleur, Thanks!
 @dohbee there was a "downgrade" 11 days ago: https://github.com/ubports/oxide-packaging/blob/xenial/ubports.source_location
 err why
 no idea :  ) maybe problems on some BQ phones ? I remember E5 had problems with a new version some months ago
 but 1.21.7 isn't even the latest version
 @dohbee, Thanks
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> Hello all, I'm trying to write files to the filesystem using HTML / JS via cordova and am running into a bit of trouble
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> I've found this: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/245/need-for-better-permission-policy-for-html5-app/3 is there an easy way to access the filesystem using cordova, or is there another way to do this stuff as an alternative to cordova?
 does the standard cordova way of reading/writing files not work?
 if not, what is the error?
 i guess you probably need to build the file paths yourself, and they would have to be in the correct locations that your app has permissions to write to
[21:26] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> just looking at the [cordova documentation for file access](https://cordova.apache.org/docs/en/latest/reference/cordova-plugin-file/) ubports/ubuntu doesnt seem to have any support
 that support is something the plug-in implements, no?
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> that is correct, plugin needs to implement support on a per-system basis
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> ubports doesnt have support, I was wondering if there is an easy way to use javascript to access filesystems on the system
 there is not
 can you not use that plug-in and manually build the path to the files?
[21:38] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> looking at the plugins source code, it will not even compile the app without a ubports directory in the src folder
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> it doesnt know *how* to write the file under a ubports system
 you mean ubuntu?
[21:39] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> yes
 i guess some code needs to be written there then
[21:41] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> I guess it does, on to making a cordova file plugin for ubuntu
[21:41] <ubptgbot> <Marco Sirabella> thanks for your help
 A while ago someone sent me a link to some documentation showing how to stream the display from UT to a media player on another device. Does anyone know where that is?
 @AmolithSeregion, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html maybe?
 yep!
 @Lyokanthrope, That's, thank you!
 @Lyokanthrope, [Edit] That's it, thank you!
 god bless firefox for letting me just type in 'screen cast' and it shows up in my suggestions x3
 @Lyokanthrope, That's exactly why I stopped deleting my history
 I tried that one and it was... quite dissapointing
 The framerate you could pull (at least from my N4) was very jumpy, not fluid at all
 same with 5
 [Edit] same with N5
 @Lyokanthrope, Do I execute this command on my phone or on my laptop?
 The first one, over ADB, I mean
 desktop.
 er
 laptop*
 whatever.
 Any ideas? https://asciinema.org/a/91oCy1oFUdXh0acHWz3DQsKD6
 uh
 is developer mode on
 [Edit] is developer mode on?


[12:19] <mup> Issue operator#830 opened: Adding documentation to define_event in framework.py <Created by nishant-dash> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/830>
[15:51] <mup> PR operator#831 opened: Added further documentation to define_event function in framework.py #830 <Created by nishant-dash> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/831>


[00:58] <dzho> that's where jcastro got into FOSS wasn't it?
[01:00] <cmaloney> Yeah
[13:06] <jrwren> jcastro was into foss before that.
[13:06] <jrwren> he got that job because he was into foss.
[13:58] <cmaloney> morning
[14:03] <jrwren> Good Morning
[15:08] <jrwren> looks like system76 finally wised up and made an excellent default desktop experience. I've got to try it, but just looking at the examples it looks like what I've wanted for years.
[15:28] <cmaloney> That's cool
[16:27] <mrgoodcat> whats different?
[16:32] <greg-g> linky?
[16:46] <Scary_Guy> just search system76 and look at pop!_os
[16:47] <Scary_Guy> also, nothing, nothing is different :P  it looks like android for the desktop after 5.1 with everything being flat
[16:48] <Scary_Guy> the real question is what does jrwren like about it specifically
[16:50] <jrwren> the WM and KB shortcuts
[16:55] <Scary_Guy> well, you can remap KB shortcuts of most DEs and I3 is the best WM ever so :p
[16:55] <jrwren> that is work.
[16:55] <jrwren> i want sane defaults.
[16:55] <Scary_Guy> no such thing :p
[16:56] <Scary_Guy> personally, I want some type of vector based environment in a VR setup, but that seems very far off
[16:56] <Scary_Guy> for now all we get is a few proprietary toys on Steam
[16:59] <jrwren> my computer works for me. i refuse to work for it. Anything involving changing defaults is not something I do.
[16:59] <jrwren> I know... I'm a weird linux nerd that way, since most linux nerds are all about their own customization.
[17:00] <Scary_Guy> surprised you aren't on iOS then or something :p
[17:00] <Scary_Guy> but to each their own
[17:02] <jrwren> I am.
[17:02] <jrwren> and Macos :)
[17:02] <jrwren> linux is for servers.
[17:02] <Scary_Guy> OpenBSD is for servers :p
[17:06] <jrwren> lolz
[17:06] <jrwren> sure, if you love things running at 1/2 speed and you don't need any driver support.
[17:07] <Scary_Guy> i want security though and don't really need anything else.  I'm not doing much
[17:07] <jrwren> yup, its great at that.
[18:10] <cmaloney> honestly I lijed Unity
[18:13] <jrwren> it was better than most at the time.
[18:15] <cmaloney> yep
[18:46] <jrwren> ha! I broke 10k on stackoverflow
[18:46] <jrwren> mostly from 2 answers.
[18:57] <rick_h> jrwren: hah, congrats
[19:32] <cmaloney> jrwren: Very cool
[23:53] <Scary_Guy> unity was horrible but less than KDE in terms of memory useage.  Hell I switched from Mint to Debian for slightly more memory space


[00:14] <neiasousa> olaa
[00:14] <neiasousa> hello
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[02:39] <logical> This chat looks dead :P
[03:20] <liubin> hello?
[03:21] <liubin> online?
[03:28] <mrbhardw> Hello Experts..
[03:28] <mrbhardw> so for me situation is still the same with Graphics..
[03:29] <mrbhardw> can any one please advice what needs to be done..
[03:48] <ElPresidente> mrbhardw, what's the problem
[03:49] <mrbhardw> i have installed 16.04 LTS on my Toshiba Laptop..
[03:49] <mrbhardw> after that i have seen some flicring issue..
[03:49] <mrbhardw> i have intel graphic card
[03:49] <ElPresidente> flickering?  like on bootup?
[03:50] <mrbhardw> while running vlc.. or connect with external monitor
[03:52] <ElPresidente> have you updated your system with "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade"?
[03:52] <mrbhardw> issue is more frequent when connect to External Monitor
[03:52] <mrbhardw> yes.. i did.
[03:53] <ElPresidente> im reading a lot of people fixed it by upgrading their kernel
[03:53] <ElPresidente> what kernel are you on right now
[03:54] <mrbhardw> how to check ..
[03:54] <mrbhardw> i am sorry i am new to linux..
[03:54] <ElPresidente> type in "uname -r" in the terminal (no quotations)
[03:55] <mrbhardw> 4.4.0-36-generic
[03:55] <ElPresidente> https://aboutsimon.com/blog/2016/07/20/Ubuntu-16.04-external-monitor-flickering-and-turning-off-on-intel-i915.html
[03:55] <ElPresidente> try this
[03:56] <ElPresidente> because i'm seeing a lot of people have the same exact problem on intel graphics and they fix it with a kernel upgrade
[03:57] <mrbhardw> thanks...
[03:57] <mrbhardw> lmc
[03:58] <ElPresidente> however
[03:58] <ElPresidente> i would use nano instead of vim.tiny, it's easier
[04:00] <mrbhardw> ok
[04:04] <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ sudo dpkg -i\
[04:04] <mrbhardw> > linux-headers-4.4.14-040414_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_all.deb\
[04:04] <mrbhardw> > linux-headers-4.4.14-040414-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb\
[04:04] <mrbhardw> > linux-image-4.4.14-040414-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb
[04:04] <mrbhardw> [sudo] password for mrbhardw:
[04:04] <mrbhardw> dpkg: error: conflicting actions -l (--list) and -i (--install)
[04:04] <mrbhardw> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];
[04:04] <mrbhardw> Use 'apt' or 'aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
[04:04] <mrbhardw> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[04:04] <mrbhardw> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[04:04] <mrbhardw> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[04:04] <mrbhardw> Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more' !
[04:04] <mrbhardw> some error
[04:05] <ElPresidente> try "sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-4.4.14-040414_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_all.deb linux-headers-4.4.14-040414-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb linux-image-4.4.14-040414-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb
[04:05] <ElPresidente> "sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-4.4.14-040414_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_all.deb linux-headers-4.4.14-040414-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb linux-image-4.4.14-040414-generic_4.4.14-040414.201606241434_amd64.deb"
[04:05] <ElPresidente> one line
[04:05] <mrbhardw> ok..
[04:08] <mrbhardw> rebooting
[04:11] <ElPresidente> how is it?
[04:11] <mrbhardw> thanks...
 installed ..
[04:12] <mrbhardw> gonna test with external monitor soon
[04:12] <ElPresidente> type "uname -r" in the terminal again to double check you're using the right kernel
[04:12] <mrbhardw> vlc seems to be resolved
[04:13] <mrbhardw> ok
[04:13] <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ uname -r
[04:13] <mrbhardw> 4.4.14-040414-generic
[04:13] <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$
[04:14] <ElPresidente> yep that's right
 manny thanks..
[04:17] <ElPresidente> mrbhardw, no problem!
[04:17] <mrbhardw> graphics seems to be improved ..
[04:17] <mrbhardw> no flickr from last 10 min
[04:17] <mrbhardw> Awsome mate
[04:17] <mrbhardw> thanks alot
[06:56] <alkisg> Is anyone here using the default Ambiant-MATE color scheme in pluma? It's extremely dark and unreadable for me, so, if it's not just me that complains about it, then I should file a bug report...
[06:57]  * alkisg switched to Oblivion instead
[07:25] <naveen> Hello, Can anyone help me... i just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 LTS 64 bit. just saw in system monitor.. using more than 600 mb...while using hex chat...using 650 mb...
[07:26] <alkisg> naveen: are you talking about RAM usage?
[07:26] <naveen> Yes
[07:32] <naveen> more than 600 mb usage ram just for running is fine?
[07:36] <alkisg> What's the output of this command?
[07:36] <alkisg> free
[07:38] <naveen>     total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[07:38] <naveen> Mem:        3842760      349328     2241700       79052     1251732     3148292
[07:38] <naveen> Swap:       7811068           0     7811068
[07:38] <naveen> in system monitor showing 680mb usage ram at this time
[07:39] <alkisg> The "used" one is what you want to look at, 349328
[07:39] <alkisg> It's fine for a booted system
[07:39] <alkisg> system monitor may report ram used for caching etc, that doesn't matter
[07:39] <naveen> ok.
[07:39] <naveen> thanks for your help
[07:40] <alkisg> np
[08:27] <ouroumov> alkisg, I agree with you about the pluma color scheme. I'm also using oblivion because the default one is ugly as hell.
[08:28] <alkisg> Thank you ouroumov
[08:28] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: any thoughts on that? ^
[08:29] <alkisg> I.e. that the default pluma theme is too dark and unreadable
[08:29] <alkisg> E.g. dark purple text on dark gray background, too much strain on our eyes
[08:31]  * SuperEngineer buys night vision glassses for all - just send me your email address, bank a/c details and pin munber :-)
[11:27] <Seferi> Hi, i installed another distribution to dual boot with ubuntu mate but i have the grub from the other distribution now. how can i get the ubuntu mate grub back?
[11:27] <ouroumov> Hm, I don't know.
[11:28] <ouroumov> Seferi, maybe ask/search on our forums?
[11:31] <Guest29934> hey guys
[11:31] <ouroumov> hey
[11:31] <Guest29934> in Ubuntu Mate my laptop displays videos in a very small window in the middle of the screen
[11:32] <Guest29934> in VLC, in SMPlayer
[11:32] <Guest29934> no difference
[11:32] <Seferi> I will check the forums and get back here, thanks
[11:32] <ouroumov> Guest29934, is this a recent machine?
[11:32] <ouroumov> (Skylake)?
[11:33] <Guest29934> yes, it's the HP Star Wars edition laptop
[11:35] <Guest29934> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/HP_Star_Wars_laptop/overview.html
[11:35] <ouroumov> Guest29934, try what I did in this thread: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/dell-optiplex-7440-aio-skylake-graphics-bug/8168/5
[11:36] <Guest29934> thanl you
[11:36] <Guest29934> thank you
[11:42] <ouroumov> Guest29934, any luck?
[11:42] <Guest29934> yes, it worked perfect
[11:42] <Guest29934> thanks you again
[11:42] <ouroumov> Guest29934, wait a sec
[11:42] <ouroumov> Can you please contribute your machine specs to the thread and / or the bug report?
[11:43] <ouroumov> You can gather the specs using: inxi -MCSG
[11:43] <Guest29934> allright, will do so a bit later, you got my word on it
[11:43] <ouroumov> Thanks :)
[11:43] <Guest29934> is that a terminal command or a program
[11:43] <ouroumov> Terminal command :)
[11:43] <Guest29934> ok, another quick thing
[11:43] <Guest29934> the mouse vanishes sometimes
[11:44] <Guest29934> just can't find it on screen
[11:44] <Guest29934> then it comes back after a while
[11:44] <Guest29934> seems to be a video driver problem as well
[11:44] <ouroumov> Anything specific triggering it?
[11:44] <Guest29934> not that I can tell
[11:44] <Guest29934> just browsing
[11:44] <ouroumov> Next time it happens, try to switch to tty1 (CTRL+ALT+F1) then back to graphic mode (CTRL+ALT+F7)
[11:45] <Guest29934> allright, thank you
[13:45] <blinko> hi, I am trying to install ubuntu mate in a laptop with two disks in raid 1, with gpt/bios. I have 4 partitions. sda: bios grub part, boot part (btrfs raid1), encrypted swap part (mdadm raid1), main part(luks -> btrfs raid1) ; sdb: same partitioning. I can't configure initramfs and grub to boot into this setup. Can anyone help me please? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/46ba76bb24d7420dac82ab28d1922031
[15:29] <shelby> well im new
[15:34] <sergioad> Hi there
[15:34] <sergioad> my friend is allready working on the port
[15:39] <sergioad> Pardon me, wrong chat :D


[20:12] <valorie> oh gosh, I had some time last week and didn't do my backup/upgrade
[20:12] <valorie> now this week is packed