[10:14] <yfir> zax123: works fine for the most part
[10:14] <eyequeue> dcraven:  quality?
[10:14] <HulaSeb> what did you say aboe
[10:14] <holycow> a polished and highly targeted debian
[10:14] <HulaSeb> i was in the shower
[10:14] <zax123> yfir: what do you mean the most part?
[10:15] <crimsun> HulaSeb: that Hoary will ship with 0.22 disabled
[10:15] <HulaSeb> how can it be enabled?
[10:15] <dcraven> Yeah but I guess how do new people know that.  Geez.
[10:16] <holycow> and don't ask me why i keep on typing 'ubunty'
[10:16] <holycow> hehe
[10:17] <john6000> is gentoo anygood?
[10:17] <holycow> dcraven, this next release is going to be even bigger
[10:17] <holycow> its basically a ready to go environment
[10:17] <HulaSeb> holycow: why?
[10:17] <FreezerX> zax123,  no, Centrino 1,3GHz with ATI Radeon M 9000 and usb-mouse
[10:17] <eyequeue> john6000:  "good" is opinion, and many feel it is good
[10:17] <nickx> Hi guys ,.. got a quick question which I can't find :(.. how do I change my menu on the easy way... like start property's in windows?
[10:17] <john6000> ok
[10:17] <dcraven> john6000, I think so.. I'm still a Gentoo guy at heart I think.. Even though I use Ubuntu now :)
[10:17] <holycow> it fits into a windows workplace, without changing anything, and the little show stopper like mounting floppies and searching files on cd's are resolved and properly engineered imho
[10:17] <eyequeue> nickx:  warty?
[10:17] <dcraven> Gentoo is really fun, but has it's down side too.
[10:17] <nickx> hoary
[10:18] <nickx> :) gnome
[10:18] <nickx> sorry,
[10:18] <john6000> dowbnnside?
[10:18] <FreezerX> Debian had problems to detect my usb-mouse and graficcard
[10:18] <eyequeue> nickx:  that functionality has been removed from gnome 2.10
[10:18] <holycow> basically any windows momo will be able to pick it up, install it and use it right away, without having to configure scripts and figure out anything underneath
[10:18] <Dr_Aevil> libben: atually for harddrives, I just remembered there's the tool "hddtemp", I don't know if that has a frontend, but if you just want to check from time to time, that's the thing to use
[10:18] <Hass> sorry for asking the same question than the other 100 dudes before me... what is the final release date 8, 9 or 10?
[10:18] <holycow> which is kinda good, but also a problem
[10:18] <yfir> dcraven: agree, gentoo is the most fun distro. but sometimes a pain to do simple things
[10:18] <nickx> eyequeue, and now :( .. can't I change or add things
[10:18] <john6000> oh
[10:18] <HulaSeb> crimsun: how then?
[10:18] <eyequeue> nickx:  Amaranth wrote a little app for it, search ubuntuforums for menu-editor
[10:18] <nickx> Cause crossover nesteld him self
[10:19] <dcraven> john6000, takes a long time to compile everything.
[10:19] <Amaranth> eyequeue: 0.5 coming out today, i hope :)
[10:19] <holycow> and it doesn't hurt this channel is nice :) unlike say #debian
[10:19] <St0n3-C0l> FreezerX: who tells you to use Debian Woody :P
[10:19] <nickx> ok will try .. brb when questions thnkx guys, greets from holland
[10:19] <holycow> ehe :)
[10:19] <St0n3-C0l> told*
[10:19] <Amaranth> eyequeue: adding new menus, submenus, and moving things from one category to another :)
[10:19] <spiral> hi
[10:19] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  cool :)  i added an app, now it's a duplicate, can't get rid of, yadda yadda :)  fixed?
[10:19] <FreezerX> I used Debian sid
[10:19] <Amaranth> eyequeue: hehe, i dunno
[10:19] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: Great program but doesn't work :P
[10:19] <Amaranth> eyequeue: probably, what version were you using?
[10:20] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  np, it's better than what we had :)
[10:20] <Amaranth> St0n3-C0l: Doesn't work? Does it sit on IRC all day? Does it want more money?
[10:20] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  0.4.3
[10:20] <crimsun> HulaSeb: pass inotify as a kernel parameter
[10:21] <dcraven> Amaranth, lol
[10:21] <Amaranth> eyequeue: Ouch, post a new thread on the menu editor forum telling what you did and include your ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[10:21] <nickx> i'm kinda newbie.. soo I have a small question still. I found menu editor 0.4 a file named  blablbla.deb how can I install this on a normal way... I can unarchive it
[10:21] <Amaranth> eyequeue: Make sure you make a new thread in the menu editor forum, otherwise I won't look at it. :) It's under the 3rd party projects forum.
[10:21] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  wild guess, i've not looked into it, but does the app pull from some global menu list as well as from a local per-user one?  could be the conflict
[10:22] <dcraven> If Ubuntu overwrites my menu.lst one more time I'm gonna flip out.
[10:22] <Amaranth> hehe, nickx found my software :)
[10:22] <nickx> ow Amaranth  yeah cool :) going to install it haha
[10:22] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  i'm on my way out the door as soon as my ride arrives, but i'll try to do so later this evening
[10:22] <Amaranth> eyequeue: it does, but it should hide the old one
[10:22] <nickx> just started of with ubuntu, delete all windows software haha
[10:22] <eyequeue> nickx:  dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:23] <St0n3-C0l> HaH well...it worked with the root account but not with user account
[10:23] <nickx> mean :) i'm sorry I'm a n00b but one time explanation is always remember : )
[10:23] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  i had two of something, and mistakenly changed them to the same name too, that is probably another thread to add, heh
[10:23] <dcraven> nickx, don't apologize. You can't be any worse than St0n3-C0l .
[10:23] <dcraven> :)
[10:23] <nickx> lol...
[10:24] <nickx> should I open the root terminal go to my desktop (Where my file is) and exc your command?
[10:24] <eyequeue> nickx:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb, from a normal terlmina
[10:24] <eyequeue> terminSection: universe/misc
[10:24] <eyequeue> al
[10:24] <eyequeue> wtf?
[10:24] <xiaogil> Would this card work Ok on Ubuntu Hoary : Mentor - Adaptateur USB Wifi - 54 Mbps - 802.11g ?
[10:24] <Amaranth> nickx: If you downloading the file to your home dir just open a regular terminal and run 'sudo dpkg -i name.deb'
[10:24] <eyequeue> t e r m i n a l
[10:24] <St0n3-C0l> dcraven: Go & See :P if your food will be overcook you're gonna dead tonight
[10:24] <nickx> will try ok... hold
[10:25] <dcraven> St0n3-C0l, no kidding. She's a picky one.
[10:25] <eyequeue> this trackpad is definitely obnoxiously located on this laptop
[10:26] <St0n3-C0l> dcraven: haha wrong selection :>
[10:26] <nickx> ok that's working, where does the command: dpkg -i for?.. (decompress and install)
[10:26] <kakalto> when I log in as japanese language, I can push Shift+Space to activate japanese writing, but when I log in as english, it either types in chinese or doesn't work at all
[10:27] <kakalto> could anyone help?
[10:27] <St0n3-C0l> nickx: terminal
[10:27] <kakalto> Artemis3?
[10:27] <nickx> dkpg mean terminal?
[10:27] <St0n3-C0l> noooo
[10:27] <nickx>  i installed it : ) so that went good
[10:27] <St0n3-C0l> First go in Terminal -> type sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[10:28] <eyequeue> nickx:  it is an app that needs root privileges (since it modifies more than your single account) and therefore you run it under sudo
[10:28] <topyli> why doesn't everybody just install wajig and be done with all these commands :)
[10:28] <nickx> yes did.. it went ok : ) but I was wounderin where the command dpkg means...
[10:28] <eyequeue> nickx:  system-side changes, you'll lmost always run under sudo
[10:28] <dcraven> wajig?
[10:28] <kkathman> wajig ?
[10:28] <eyequeue> dpkg (8)             - a medium-level package manager for Debian
[10:28] <nickx> oww :) really cool.. haha
[10:28] <topyli> dcraven: lemme get you an url
[10:28] <kakalto> ???
[10:28] <eyequeue> nickx:  "debian package manager"
[10:29] <nickx> wonderfull
[10:30] <nickx> maybe it's strange...
[10:30] <nickx> but!!
[10:30] <nickx> I feel that the OSX and linux / unix community is way more helpfull then the win
[10:30] <SebSeb> nickx: here here
[10:30] <St0n3-C0l> Thats true
[10:30] <nickx> I bought a mac mini and deleted my win os on my laptop it seems to work more stable :)
[10:30] <kakalto> hehe
[10:30] <dcraven> nickx, Windows has a community?
[10:30] <topyli> dcraven: i wrote this so i don't have to explain everything over and over again :) http://uclinux.info/wiki/index.php/Maintaining_a_Debian_box_with_Wajig
[10:31] <St0n3-C0l> dcraven: No, but they also don't have any good HELP channels :P
[10:31] <kkathman> nickx, I think there are great support groups on both sides..Ive seen good communites for windows and really tacky people on Linux...but in general I think you are right :)
[10:31] <St0n3-C0l> My friend asked just a simple question 'From where we can change our guest account password', They replied "You can't" haha
[10:32] <dcraven> I think we might be more desperate and starved for attention... lol
[10:32] <dcraven> topyli, interesting program.
[10:33] <topyli> dcraven: i do most everything with it
[10:33] <dcraven> It's even in apt!
[10:34] <topyli> sure, it's been in debian for some time now
[10:36] <dcraven> hehe.. I installed it on this machine and was confused when I couldn't run it. Turns out I was in an ssh session with another bloody box.
[10:37] <topyli> dcraven: don't get this all wrong, wajig is not my creation, i'm just a fan :)
[10:37] <delltony_> anyone in here happen to have a garmin 2610 (gps) ?
[10:37] <tdunks> woah a lot of ppl like ubuntu
[10:38] <tdunks> can someone help me i cant get into actual linux it says that the graphical interface or sommin like that temporaily cant load
[10:38] <topyli> dcraven: it's hell when you type the wrong command into the wrong xterm, worse if you have different boxen on different xterms :)
[10:39] <dcraven> topyli, well it's nice regardless.
[10:39] <libben> Dr_Aevil, gdesklets-data contained the Lmsensors 0.8 just so u know.
[10:40] <Bicchi> I am curious how good is the dual monitor support in ubuntu? I am about to install ubuntu and need to know if it can handle it. What do i need to do? I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.
[10:40] <St0n3-C0l> I think k3b is much better than NeroLinux :P
[10:40] <St0n3-C0l> Free & Easy to use eh
[10:41] <topyli> Bicchi: nothing to do with ubuntu. if X supports your card, then you're OK
[10:42] <Rebroad> topyli: ubuntu uses X
[10:42] <nickx> Hi guys, I played with menu editor, tryed to delete something but look what happend... ??  http://picserver.404zone.nl/userfiles/blogbuster/menu.jpg
[10:42] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: these days xorg supports almost every card
[10:42] <nickx> how can I restore this
[10:42] <jeramy_> Has anyone tried to compile GNOME with jhbuild here?
[10:42] <Rebroad> jeramy_: yes
[10:42] <jeramy_> successfully?
[10:42] <Rebroad> jeramy_: not yet. still working on it
[10:42] <Bicchi> can i display things in portrait mode in linux. is this handled by X and what should i do?
[10:43] <jeramy_> ah.  I did it a while back, but ended up with some error... like I was missing a compile flag or something.
[10:43] <jnc> Bicchi: there's a Rotate90 flag for X11
[10:43] <jnc> Bicchi: that's a question for X11 devs
[10:43] <jeramy_> I'm going to try again and see if it's still there.
[10:43] <jnc> Bicchi: #freedesktop
[10:43] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: sure. but my matrox g550 under linux has no tv-out, and xinerama requires fiddling. and this is matrox, the ever-best linux card! :(
[10:43] <Jefis> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:43] <Jefis> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[10:43] <Jefis> Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
[10:43] <Jefis> how to get this one?
[10:43] <jnc> Bicchi: the quick answer is no, i don't know any people that made it work
[10:44] <Ex-Cyber> is there Free software (preferably in universe/multiverse, but I didn't see any there) to do analysis/annotation of disassembly listings for multiple processor families? (I'm not especially concerned with which processors are supported, I'm mostly interested in understanding the problem - the only open-source analysis program I know of is MC68000-specific and the source contains lots of hacks)
[10:44] <Bicchi> jnc: so you can not rotate the desktop?
[10:44] <brrrt> crimsun: i had to wait until my upgrade finished now i lost the apt-get command for getting alsa-source and so on
[10:44] <Rebroad> jeramy_: It got as far as howl-0.9.10...
[10:44] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: Never worked with matrox :P I used Nvidia which is supported by almost every distro and now Intel :P
[10:44] <crimsun> brrrt: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[10:44] <jeramy_> I didn't get that far, I don't think.
[10:44] <stazich> hey guys, can anyone help me? im using OSS Plugin to output my sound in XMMS, but the volume control in XMMS seems to net work... the volume can only be controlled through the volume control which is a separate app... does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do to fix it? i want the XMMS vol slider to work...
[10:44] <jeramy_> You're running Hoary Rebroad?
[10:44] <jnc> Bicchi: i'm going to say the answer is no, because i want you to ask X11 devs about it
[10:45] <Bicchi> jnc: gotcha
[10:45] <SebSeb> when hoary is released on friday
[10:45] <brrrt> crimsun: thanks!
[10:45] <Rebroad> jeramy_: jhbuild downloaded loads of stuff, such as automake versions 1.4,1.7,1.8,1.9 even though I already had them all installed... not sure why
[10:45] <Rebroad> jeramy_: Hoary yes
[10:45] <SebSeb> do i need to reinsyall
[10:45] <ante5000> stazich: turn on software volume control in options of xmms
[10:45] <icerogue> hey is there a quick way to make like 20 accounts?
[10:45] <SebSeb> from hoary rc?
[10:45] <crimsun> SebSeb: no, you can update && dist-upgrade
[10:45] <jnc> Bicchi: X11 is a huge chunk of software and the X11 devs are the only cats who are going to know what you're talking about exactly
[10:45] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: i'm old fashioned. ati and nvidia support used not to be what they are now. and still they fool around with binary drivers
[10:46] <tdunks> Can someone help me. I am getting this error when lodaing linux and it wont let me into linux wither the error is Teporary failure in name resolution hel;p?
[10:46] <SebSeb> does anyone here use beagle?
[10:46] <garrut> can anyone recommend me some software for ubuntu to display a number of images after each other with some cool transition effects?
[10:46] <jeramy_> Rebroad, yeah, that sounds about right.  I'm building libxml2 right now.
[10:47] <Rebroad> jeramy_: only 110 or so packages to go then....
[10:47] <xiaogil> Wifi USB adaptators work on Hoary or not ?
[10:47] <jeramy_> It's a PIII 1GHz.  Yep.  Assuming I get that far.  :)
[10:47] <topyli> garrut: there must be some simple hacks based on xscreensaver or something. find them at freshmeat.net
[10:47] <tdunks> Can someone help me. I am getting this error when lodaing linux and it wont let me into linux wither the error is Teporary failure in name resolution, help?
[10:47] <jeramy_> I managed to make it to about 15 before it crapped out on me?
[10:48] <garrut> topyli: ok thanks, i'll check that out
[10:48] <Blissex> tdunks: most probably during boot something starts that needs a DNS server and the one configured for it is not working.
[10:49] <tdunks> and how do i fix that?
[10:49] <Echylo> question, ubuntu freezes when I try to download something with firefox
[10:49] <dcraven> Blissex, could it be a problem of /etc/hostname?
[10:49] <jpok> Hi, when using electricsheep with xscreensaver, the "--zoom 1" parameter don't functions and the sheep isn't fullscreen. Anyone can help me ?
[10:49] <tdunks> im a noob with linux so no techinal stuff :P
[10:49] <Rebroad> anyone here know how to make the "less" command not make it's output disappear after exiting it?
[10:50] <topyli> jpok: if it is of any comfort, i have the same problem :)
[10:50] <Blissex> dcraven: tdunks: possibly, if the hostname is not also in '/etc/hosts'
[10:50] <jpok> thanks topyli... but it don't resolve the problem ;-)
[10:50] <topyli> heh
[10:50] <jeramy_> Rebroad, do you specifically need to use less?  Can you just use cat instead?
[10:51] <tdunks> also when/if i get back into linux how do i get my dlink network card to work
[10:51] <Rebroad> jeramy_: yes. need to use less
[10:51] <jeramy_> Rebroad, I never use it, so no.  :)
[10:51] <brrrt> crimsun: well, ./configure --with-cards=via82xx in the source dir?
[10:52] <jpok> Perhaps it's a bug of last version of electricsheep but no one talks about this on the electricsheep FAQ page
[10:52] <icerogue> is there anyway to do a batch adduser?
[10:52] <nasboy> Can I just upgrade to hoary using APT or should I reinstall
[10:52] <jeramy_> nasboy, you're using Warty now?
[10:52] <topyli> Rebroad: less doesn't do that. if it does, we have to find out why
[10:53] <nasboy> yes
[10:53] <ante5000> nasboy: change your /etc/apt/sources.list to match hoarys
[10:53] <SebSeb> i think ubuntu is going to take over the world .....
[10:53] <Blissex> nasboy: you can ''just upgrade'', especially if you follow some of the online HOWTOs on the subject.
[10:53] <ante5000> nasboy: where it says warty u write hoary
[10:53] <nasboy> that's what I figured...I just wanted to make sure it wasn't going to mess up my system
[10:53] <ante5000> then do apt-get update
[10:54] <jeramy_> nasboy, no you won't.  If you're paranoid about data loss, you can always back some stuff up first.
[10:55] <Blissex> tdunks: to fix your problem may require a bit of geekyness though.
[10:55] <topyli> nasboy: you'll have to apt-get upgrade, then dist-upgrade perhaps a few times before you're through. maybe even apt-get -f install (without arguments ) in the middle. this is the worst-case scenario
[10:55] <Blissex> tdunks: however it is hard to judge from a distance not knowing whats going on exactly how to fix it.
[10:55] <Rebroad> anyone here got gmailfs working?
[10:55] <tdunks> probably going to take more explaining then
[10:56] <Bicchi> jnc: to answer my question and yours, you can do portriat mode by typing "xrandr -o left" on the command line. that according to the guys over #freedesktop.
[10:56] <tdunks> linux booted fine one time didnt boot next time
[10:56] <mackid> yeah i was trying to figure out how to get it working as well, Rebroad
[10:56] <mackid> like, I could not find where it INSTALLED IT
[10:56] <jnc> Bicchi: :)
[10:56] <mackid> i installed it with apt
[10:56] <mackid> but where is it?
[10:56] <Rebroad> topyli: less seems to open a new screen of some sort, so when less exits, you are left seeing only what you saw immediately before less ran
[10:56] <jnc> Bicchi: apologies if i'm a bit cantankerous today.
[10:56] <skora> hi everybody.
[10:56] <jnc> Bicchi: i'm glad you found some help from someone knowlegable
[10:57] <Rebroad> mackid: check out /usr/share/docs/gmailfs
[10:57] <Bicchi> jnc: thanks
[10:57] <Rebroad> mackid: and /etc/gmailfs
[10:57] <topyli> Rebroad: working as advertised. what's the problem?
[10:57] <jeramy_> Dang, gmailfs looks like a cool hack!
[10:57] <skora> my question is about gaim...im running warty, and gaim v 1.1.2, but want to upgrade to 1.2.1
[10:57] <drspin> I just upgraded to Hoary and I'm seeing some *strange* things in dmesg
[10:57] <Rebroad> topyli: I want less to be more like more, where i see the file i was viewing after exiting less
[10:57] <Blissex> tdunks: was your internet line fine on one time and not on the other?
[10:57] <skora> how do i remove [safely]  the 1.1.2 and then install the 1.21 properly ?
[10:58] <skora> [i know how to build from src, do i have to convert the src to a deb ?]
[10:58] <nasboy> here goes nothing
[10:58] <nasboy> hoary is on the way
[10:58] <topyli> Rebroad: ah. well, then you'll have to find the real more
[10:59] <SebSeb> what are the technical problems which have delayed the release?
[10:59] <topyli> Rebroad: there must be an open source implementation. or maybe even a "compatibility mode" for less, like there's a "vi compatibility mode" for vim
[10:59] <crimsun> SebSeb: the release was delayed to try and accomodate gnome 2.10.1
[10:59] <mikep> anyone: is 4-8-05 still the full-release date for Hoary?
[10:59] <dazed|> SebSeb: not so much technical problems as bug fixes
[10:59] <dazed|> oh and that
[11:00] <Rebroad> topyli: surely everything in ubuntu is opensource
[11:00] <SebSeb> is friday the final release then?
[11:00] <crimsun> SebSeb: yep
[11:00] <tdunks> no
[11:00] <tdunks> never got it working
[11:00] <topyli> Rebroad: sure. but ubuntu doesn't have the original more
[11:00] <lz> I read the FAQ on enhancing the performance of my NVidia card but I do not have the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or anything like it inside /etc/X11 :(
[11:00] <Kirsch> Hey everyone, i've read tons of articles and stuff, is the ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 NOT supported under linux? I know the fglrx driver doesn't support it...
[11:02] <Goshawk> Kirsch, yuo can always use non accellerated drivers
[11:02] <Goshawk> like vesa ang vga
[11:02] <jpok> Hi, when using electricsheep with xscreensaver, the "--zoom 1" parameter don't functions and the sheep isn't fullscreen. Can anyone help me ?
[11:02] <Kirsch> Goshawk: I am using just the ATI driver now...
[11:02] <moreati> lz: what version of ubuntu are you using. if it's 5.04 then the file is now called xorg.conf, due to the project forking.
[11:02] <lz> ooooh
[11:02] <lz> no wonder!  Thanks moreati
[11:02] <topyli> Rebroad: try "most" it's supposed to be very configurable. i've never tried it but everybody who is unhappy with less have gotten it to work just-so-they-like-it :)
[11:02] <Goshawk> Kirsch, if you are using ati drivers all is fine
[11:03] <Goshawk> Kirsch, all the hardware acelleration is ok so
[11:03] <libben> what to download to check my hdtemp
[11:03] <Kirsch> sorry, i'm using the radeon driver... is it better to use the ati or radeon driver?
[11:03] <libben> hmm
[11:03] <libben> hddtemp or gdesklet-dada
[11:03] <libben> hddtemp or gdesklet-data
[11:03] <Rebroad> topyli: i'll check it out. thanks
[11:03] <mcrawfor> anyone know how to get a nice framebuffer boot screen in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Goshawk> Kirsch, radeon is a kind of chipset
[11:04] <Kirsch> I know.
[11:04] <lz> brb
[11:04] <Goshawk> you are using the ati radon driver
[11:04] <Goshawk> fron ati.com?
[11:04] <Kirsch> no, there are 2 drivers, ati and radeon, i switched it to radeon.
[11:04] <Kirsch> No, from Xorg
[11:04] <Goshawk> wait
[11:05] <brrrt> crimsun: i compiled and installed the alsa-drivers from source
[11:05] <Goshawk> do this
[11:05] <Goshawk> glxinfo | grep direct
[11:05] <brrrt> crimsun: but i get errors when i "modprobe snd-via82xx"
[11:05] <crimsun> brrrt: "from source"?
[11:05] <crimsun> brrrt: using the method outlined in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian ?
[11:05] <Goshawk> Kirsch, be faster
[11:05] <Rebroad> mackid: any luck with gmailfs?
[11:06] <Echylo> can somebody tell me why my ubuntu freezes when I try to download something with firefox?
[11:06] <Rebroad> Echylo: at last! someone else with the same problem!
[11:06] <brrrt> crimsun: ups, no
[11:06] <gordonjcp> crimsun: ping?
[11:06] <Rebroad> Echylo: do you have a nvidia gfx card?
[11:06] <francisco> I had a question, it is not possible to listen to MP3's stored on a remote SAMBA Windows Network?
[11:06] <crimsun> gordonjcp: pong?
[11:07] <francisco> without downloading the files
[11:07] <mcrawfor> francisco: I sure hope so
[11:07] <Rebroad> francisco: yes
[11:07] <gordonjcp> crimsun: tried again with the NVidia drivers, this time with a Geforce 2
[11:07] <mcrawfor> otherwise the sounds i hear now are impossible!
[11:07] <Rebroad> francisco: either stream them, or use smbmount
[11:07] <Goshawk> Kirsch, ping
[11:07] <francisco> Rebroad, mcrawfor ; why can't I? :(
[11:07] <francisco> smbmount?
[11:07] <Kirsch> ping?
[11:07] <gordonjcp> I still get a black screen, and the xorg log suggests it's when I load nvidia glx
[11:07] <francisco> Is that enabled by default?
[11:08] <Goshawk> Kirsch, have you done that comand?
[11:08] <Rebroad> francisco: that mounts a samba share as a local drive
[11:08] <Kirsch> ping what tho?
[11:08] <gordonjcp> *but* commenting out the option "glx" line doesn't help
[11:08] <Kirsch> yes, i've used ping
[11:08] <Goshawk> Kirsch, no you have to do : glxinfo | grep direct
[11:08] <francisco> ah ok Rebroad will try
[11:08] <louis_> 9559
[11:08] <Kirsch> is there driver support for the Airport Extreme (different question)?
[11:08] <Kirsch> 1sec Goshawk
[11:08] <Goshawk> Kirsch, ping is to say if you are still there
[11:08] <Rebroad> francisco: only problem with smbmount is that if you lose network connectivity, then it seems to freeze the commands that try to access the share, using the df command
[11:08] <Goshawk> s/saysee
[11:08] <Kirsch> i hvae driect rendering on
[11:09] <Rebroad> francisco: I meant "including the df command"
[11:09] <Goshawk> Kirsch, ok.. so it's all ok
[11:09] <gordonjcp> crimsun: any pointers to anything else I can try?
[11:09] <francisco> oh, ok Rebroad
[11:09] <francisco> E: Couldn't find package smbmoun :(
[11:09] <crimsun> gordonjcp: did you say you tried noapic nolapic pci=noacpi ?
[11:10] <Rebroad> francisco: smbmount
[11:10] <brrrt> crimsun: i dont need isa-pnp for the via82xx, or?
[11:10] <flodine> whats up folks
[11:10] <Kirsch> Goshawk: ok... is there a way to get transparent support in a desklet than without using xcompmgr?
[11:10] <francisco> E: Couldn't find package smbmount
[11:10] <francisco> still
[11:10] <francisco> heh
[11:10] <francisco> :P
[11:10] <Kirsch> cause it works, but moving a window makes it move slowly.
[11:10] <Rebroad> francisco: maybe it's called smbfs
[11:10] <crimsun> brrrt: no, you don't
[11:10] <francisco> oh Rebroad i think I installed that before
[11:11] <francisco> how could I run it? cause it doesn't seem to be on Kubuntu
[11:11] <topyli> francisco: there's no such package. it's in smbclient i guess
[11:11] <Goshawk> Kirsch, i dont' know sorry
[11:11] <pdoms> Anyone got an idea of how I can give "new login" a shortcut? it's not listed in shortcuts editor..
[11:12] <Rebroad> francisco,topyli: apt-get install smbfs
[11:12] <garrut> pdoms: just drag it from the menu
[11:12] <pdoms> to where garrut ?
[11:12] <topyli> oh yeah
[11:12] <francisco> ok Rebroad
[11:12] <garrut> pdoms: to where you want it
[11:12] <francisco> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[11:12] <pdoms> garrut, sorry i mean shortcut keyboard combination
[11:12] <francisco> damm
[11:12] <Jimbob> garrut: He wants a keyboard shortcut
[11:12] <garrut> ah
[11:13] <Goshawk> pdoms, Applications --> System tools
[11:13] <Jimbob> pdoms: Open up the "Configuration Editor" tool
[11:13] <pdoms> like windowsbutton + l ;)
[11:13] <Goshawk> pdoms, you find "new login"
[11:13] <pdoms> Yes, but i want to give it a keyboard shortcut Goshawk
[11:13] <pdoms> Jimbob, thanks checking out
[11:13] <Goshawk> pdoms, arg.. i dont' know
[11:13] <topyli> that's gconf-editor stuff
[11:14] <pdoms> np Goshawk :)
[11:14] <francisco> topyli, Rebroad smbclient and smbfs are both installed
[11:14] <gordonjcp> crimsun: no, I haven't tried that
[11:14] <gordonjcp> crimsun: seems worth a shot though, brb
[11:14] <Jimbob> pdoms: Add the keyboard shortcut to "/apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_<n>"
[11:14] <topyli> francisco: try mount -t smbfs foo foo foo
[11:14] <mackid> hey, does anyone here use skype (on linux, of course)
[11:14] <Jimbob> pdoms: Modifiers are entered as "<(mod)>" (e.g. "<Control>")
[11:15] <mackid> because my fonts in the skype program are really big, and i was wondering why, or if anyone else had the same problem..
[11:15] <Jimbob> pdoms: Then go to "/apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_<n>"
[11:15] <starhaw1> hi I am tring to run ubunta and I am not sure if I am burninig the cd right I am using kb3 any one
[11:15] <garrut> mackid: run qtconfig
[11:15] <Jimbob> pdoms: Set that to "gdmflexiserver".
[11:15] <francisco> topyli, didn't worked
[11:15] <Jimbob> pdoms: Or for nested (in-a-window) logins, "gdmflexiserver -n"
[11:15] <francisco> A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom,
[11:15] <francisco> or by label, using  -L label  or by uuid, using  -U uuid .
[11:15] <francisco> Other options: [-nfFrsvw]  [-o options]  [-p passwdfd] .
[11:15] <francisco> For many more details, say  man 8 mount .
[11:15] <Jimbob> pdoms: Also: http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[11:16] <topyli> francisco: which command did you give?
[11:16] <francisco> topyli, mount -t smbfs foo foo foo
[11:16] <topyli> francisco: the foo's are of course placeholders for your real filesystems and stuff :)
[11:16] <pdoms> Jimbob, wow thanks, gonna try it now :).. btw is it possible to use the windows-logo key in linux?
[11:16] <francisco> topyli, oh hahaha
[11:17] <Jimbob> pdoms: Yes, so long as your keyboard is configured as a 105-key, IIRC
[11:17] <Jimbob> I believe it gets mapped to a modifier, though
[11:17] <Jimbob> So it acts like Control or Alt
[11:17] <flipy> how can i switch the gcc version?
[11:17] <topyli> francisco: ok, let's construct a sane command line for you
[11:17] <Jimbob> I use it to drag windows (Win+<mousedrag> anywhere in the window drags it)
[11:18] <Rebroad> mackid: i think skype uses your kde settings
[11:18] <pdoms> Jimbob, I don't know that :s
[11:18] <Jimbob> (By default it's Alt+drag)
[11:18] <topyli> francisco: what is the workgroup, machine, and share you are trying to mount?
[11:18] <redPanda> hello all
[11:18] <starhaw1> hi I am tring to run ubunta and I am not sure if I am burninig the cd right I am using kb3 any one
[11:19] <starhaw1> help
[11:19] <spiral> hi
[11:19] <Rebroad> skype rocks. better than msn/yahoo/aim etc
[11:19] <francisco> topyli, workgroup is HOME, machine is called Navigator, share is folder "Shared"
[11:19] <Rebroad> ....well, except for it crashing a lot on linux and on windoze...
[11:19] <Anubis> gnome is doing weird thing to me
[11:20] <Anubis> I guess the last update killed me?
[11:20] <Anubis> UI have a high load
[11:20] <topyli> francisco: ok. as root (sudo), make a directory called /mnt/win_share or something
[11:20] <Anubis> and gnomes menus will not populate
[11:20] <CarlK> starhaw1, do you end up with one big file on the CD?
[11:20] <redPanda> Hi.  I've just installed Ubuntu and can change the root password.  I've tried sudo passwd root but this asks for a password which I don't have.  Anybody have any ideas?
[11:20] <francisco> topyli, what about /windows
[11:20] <pdoms> Jimbob, thanks for the hep mate :)
[11:20] <topyli> francisco: good
[11:21] <francisco> topyli, done
[11:21] <starhaw1> hi I am tring to run ubunta and I am not sure if I am burninig the cd right I am using kb3 any one
[11:21] <drspin> redPanda: use YOUR password ;)
[11:21] <CarlK> starhaw1, do you end up with one big file on the CD?
[11:22] <starhaw1> yes
[11:22] <drspin> although consider using sudo -s for a root promt
[11:22] <Rebroad> starhaw1: you are repeating yourself
[11:22] <redPanda> ok.  I'll go and try that now.
[11:22] <drspin> prompt*
[11:22] <topyli> ok, try this as root first. "mount -t smbfs //navigator/shared /windows" it will fail, but we'll get error messages :)
[11:23] <drspin> I'm glad my TTY terminals work again
[11:23] <CarlK> starhaw1, somewhere (don;t have k3b handy) shold be a "burn image"
[11:23] <redPanda> #quit bye
[11:23] <francisco> topyli, root@ubuntu:/home/francisco # mount -t smbfs //navigator/shared /windows
[11:23] <francisco> Password:
[11:23] <francisco> root@ubuntu:/home/francisco #
[11:23] <francisco> Works :D
[11:23] <topyli> hehe
[11:23] <topyli> i didn't think so :)
[11:24] <topyli> francisco: so, do you want everybody to be able to mount that, or just your, or just root?
[11:24] <pdoms> Jimbob, a question, I found out that the windows-logo is Super_R but.. Will it work if I set as value "Super_R p"?
[11:24] <kay> Hello, I need some help,I think the last update to wpasupplicant has broken my wireless connection
[11:25] <francisco> is there a security risks ? topyli
[11:25] <thechitowncubs> hello
[11:25] <topyli> francisco: not really. how many local users do you have and how much do you trust them, that's the question
[11:25] <merlin__> does someone know how I can find a list of ubuntu meta packages?
[11:26] <thechitowncubs> How do I create a symlink?
[11:26] <Jimbob> pdoms: "<Super_R>p" should work
[11:26] <CarlK> starhaw1, gime a sec to install k3b...
[11:26] <kay> Hello, can anybody help me downgrade wpasupplicant?
[11:26] <Rebroad> thechitowncubs: type "man intro"
[11:26] <Jimbob> pdoms: or just "<Super>p" (for either windows key)
[11:26] <Jimbob> (R == right)
[11:27] <jeramy_> Rebroad, I just failed on howl.  :)
[11:27] <francisco> topyli, just me :D
[11:27] <harish> hey
[11:27] <flipy> how can i switch the gcc version to 3.4?
[11:27] <Rebroad> jeramy_: snap!
[11:27] <pdoms> Jimbob, thanks and do I have to reboot to make it work?
[11:27] <CarlK> kay, I am on wireless, just insatlled about 8 hours ago, so "it works" ;)
[11:27] <Jimbob> pdoms: No, it should just work
[11:27] <jeramy_> (also gtk+, atk, pango, and a few others... but you can skip them...)  :)
[11:27] <topyli> francisco: is the server always up?
[11:27] <jeramy_> (who needs gtk+?)
[11:28] <francisco> topyli, yeah
[11:28] <kay> CarlK: For me it stopped working after it, it comes and goes all the time, while other computers are fine
[11:28] <kay> CarlK:  Do you have the old deb still ?
[11:28] <Anubis> how can I track down this high load?
[11:28] <topyli> francisco: would you like to mount it automatically at boot time?
[11:28] <thechitowncubs> Rebroad: I didn't find any relevant info there
[11:28] <francisco> topyli, that would be editing fstab right?
[11:28] <topyli> y4es
[11:29] <topyli> yes
[11:29] <starhaw1> carlk did you get it installed
[11:29] <pdoms> Jimbob, but are you sure it's right to put <Super> because when I pushed that button in the shortcut-editor there were no <> around it
[11:29] <francisco> topyli, thanks to you I am now listening to my 3GB of mp3's on my winblow machine
[11:29] <francisco> :)
[11:29] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[11:29] <pdoms> Jimbob, So I wonder if it's possible to use that key and a letter :s
[11:29] <topyli> hehe
[11:29] <CarlK> kay, not here (I had to go to the local bar because my ISP went bonkers)
[11:30] <thechitowncubs> Is there a way I can link to a file that already exsists?
[11:30] <Jimbob> pdoms: Umm, you could try, I guess
[11:30] <Dethread> flipy, just install gcc 3.4 via apt-get or synaptic and change the gcc link in /usr/bin to point to 3.4 instead of 3.3
[11:30] <francisco> topyli, I have a question, I tried to play xVid movies and such with linux and it seems like they don't have the codec needed, is there a player I need?
[11:30] <topyli> francisco: you'll find a suitable fstab line easily on the web. sorry, but i don't happen to have any windows servers here to mount. (just lucky i guess :)
[11:30] <brrrt> crimsun: i did what was mentioned in the readme and installed the .deb file modprobe snd-via82xx works now, but now i am missing the master and pcm faders in the mixer and totem refuses to play the wav file
[11:30] <Xannix> I am moving from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu I have the ISO 5.04 the current release // Should I wait for the official release on Friday ??
[11:30] <saber_> In Linux how can I determine the number of pixels between to arbitrary points on my screen?
[11:30] <Anubis> "hal.dev" is running like 50 times after a reboot?
[11:30] <francisco> topyli, haha, thanks though :)
[11:30] <Anubis> is it just my kernel?
[11:30] <saber_> to -> two
[11:31] <Rebroad> thechitowncubs: man ln
[11:31] <topyli> francisco: install totem-xine, and the evil codecs from marillat
[11:31] <Earthen> can some help me with squid proxy setup
[11:31] <francisco> topyli, marillat.com ?
[11:31] <saber_> Earthen: what do you need help with? I setup proxy last week
[11:31] <flipy> Dethread, thanks!
[11:31] <Earthen> cool thanks
[11:31] <Anubis> udevd is bad?
[11:31] <flipy> Dethread, that will work for g++?
[11:31] <saber_> All I did was  a basic setup, though :)
[11:31] <Earthen> well i followed the how too on the debian site but it down't work
[11:31] <topyli> francisco: no. hold on, i'll find you an useful URL. are you on warty or hoary?
[11:32] <Dethread> flipy, yes, same procedure
[11:32] <saber_> Earthen: the default setup for ubuntu is pretty much working.
[11:32] <flipy> ok thanks
[11:32] <saber_> Earthen: What error are you getting?
[11:32] <Earthen> I'm not getting any error that i can tell anyway
[11:32] <francisco> topyli, in hoary
[11:33] <saber_> Earthen: do you know if it is running? /etc/init.d/squid restart
[11:33] <flipy> Dethread, is there any other symlink to change?
[11:33] <saber_> as root
[11:33] <pdoms> Jimbob, it works! is it possible with the  'configuration-editor' to make that the changes are for all users on the system?
[11:33] <Earthen> I followed the setup on this page http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=71
[11:33] <Earthen> yes it is running
[11:33] <Jimbob> pdoms: Umm, not from the UI, no
[11:33] <brrrt> crimsun: is there anything special i should take care of ?
[11:33] <saber_> Did you setup the proxy in the www client?
[11:33] <crimsun> brrrt: nope, not if you followed those directions
[11:33] <Earthen> yes as root
[11:33] <Jimbob> pdoms: You can edit some XML files (what the configuration editor reads) to force that, though
[11:33] <Earthen> no
[11:33] <saber_> that isn't something you'd necessarily do as root
[11:34] <Earthen> i used nano as root
[11:34] <topyli> ok. http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/ . see "how to install multimedia codecs". but you need totem-xine. ubuntu by default installs totem with gstreamer backends, which don't cut it
[11:34] <pdoms> Jimbob, that's a bit complicated or not too much? :)
[11:34] <saber_> you should probably configure the client then: open your www browser, edit -> options -> proxy setup and configure it
[11:34] <Jimbob> pdoms: Umm, it's more involved than the UI and requires running a text editor as root, but it's not terribly complicated.
[11:34] <Earthen> i was try to setup a transparent proxy
[11:34] <saber_> squid is a transparent proxy
[11:35] <Jimbob> pdoms: But then, I'm a programmer, so my judgements on "complicated" vs. "uncomplicated" are colored by that :-)
[11:35] <pdoms> Jimbob, I'm capable runnin text editor as root ^^
[11:35] <gumpish> =/ so Sun's Java 1.5 isn't working for hoary? Is there any working 1.5 implementation for hoary?
[11:35] <Earthen> so it says i don't need to configure the clients
[11:35] <pdoms> Jimbob, I have some console-experience and also with editting files etc
[11:35] <saber_> gumpish: you can manually install it pretty easily. just throw it into /opt
[11:35] <Jimbob> pdoms: Ok. you want to go to /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/
[11:35] <pdoms> Jimbob, I study informatics, but I don't know what I'm gonna do later
[11:36] <Jimbob> ok
[11:36] <gumpish> no package management makes the baby jesus cry
[11:36] <brrrt> crimsun: i was following exactly those directions :(
[11:36] <pdoms> Jimbob, one quick question, it will work also with sudo right? (didn't set root password)
[11:36] <Jimbob> pdoms: Yeah, "sudo -s" will give you a root shell/console
[11:36] <pdoms> I'm there
[11:37] <starhaw1> hi I am tring to run ubunta and I am not sure if I am burninig the cd right I am using kb3 any one
[11:37] <pdoms> nice trick, didn't know it :) Jimbob
[11:37] <brrrt> crimsun: compiling and so on looked good, i've seen no errors
[11:38] <topyli> francisco: by the way, according to the guide, totem with gstreamer backends does seem to be enough. very cool!
[11:38] <saber_> starhaw1: if you put the cd in your computer and reboot, starhawk1, and it boots into ubuntu then it works
[11:38] <Jimbob> pdoms: As root, run gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/ --type string --set "/apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_12" "shortcut"
[11:38] <saber_> starhaw1: and double check your BIOS is booting from the cdrom
[11:38] <francisco> oh, let me try topyli :)
[11:38] <starhaw1> thats just it it isnt working
[11:39] <pdoms> Jimbob, done
[11:39] <saber_> so are you running linux or windows right now starhawk1?
[11:39] <starhaw1> I think I am doing something wrong when I burn it
[11:39] <starhaw1> mepis
[11:39] <francisco> topyli, do you happen to know the exact name of the package?
[11:39] <saber_> you can do something like this in linux: cdrecord -scanbus; cdrecord -dev={output} -data -iso ubuntu.iso
[11:39] <francisco> gstreamer
[11:39] <Jimbob> pdoms: Then gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/ --type string --set "/apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_12" "gdmflexiserver"
[11:39] <imka> hi
[11:40] <topyli> francisco: the codecs? you need two: gstreamer0.8-plugins and w32codecs
[11:40] <imka> how do i create a symlink? i need to create /usr/src/linux that points to linux-source.....
[11:40] <pdoms> Jimbob, done
[11:40] <saber_> before you do that you can test the cd by mounting it: mount /dev/[device]  /cdrom        (probably as root)
[11:40] <saber_> you should also run an md5 on the iso you downloaded
[11:40] <dazed|> i know this isnt a great place to ask but can anyone help me figure out why i cant connect to any torrents?
[11:40] <topyli> francisco: but you do need to set up extra repositories as explained ther
[11:40] <saber_> to verify what you'r working with is valid
[11:40] <topyli> e
[11:41] <starhaw1> where do I put that in the command line I am farly new to lunix
[11:41] <Jimbob> pdoms: Ok, then run "gconftool-2 --shutdown" for root and all currently running users
[11:41] <Jimbob> pdoms: What you're doing is forcing all users to have command_12 be "gdmflexiserver"
[11:41] <starhaw1> whats md5
[11:41] <Jimbob> pdoms: that "gconf.xml.mandatory" is GConf's "admin-enforced" settings
[11:42] <Jimbob> starhaw1: It's a math equasion for encrypting data.
[11:42] <saber_> sorry you'll need to read some pages before i can personally help you more. you should probably read a linux system administrator guide
[11:42] <francisco> topyli, you mean the universe repositories?
[11:42] <saber_> but the answer is that it depends on your window manager
[11:42] <topyli> yes, and the infamous christian marillat's multimedia stuff
[11:42] <saber_> you can press alt+control+f1 to get to a command line prompt
[11:42] <saber_> then press alt+f7 to come back
[11:43] <saber_> that's how to leave X for the command line
[11:43] <Jimbob> starhaw1: The idea is that you run a bunch of numbers (the contents of a file) through the equasion, and it'll give you the "sum" of the numbers in that file.
[11:43] <francisco> ah ok
[11:43] <Jimbob> starhaw1: the "sum" is pretty unique, so you can use it to check if a file has changed.
[11:43] <starhaw1> I do that from the command line
[11:43] <pdoms> Jimbob, done, linux is made nicely :)
[11:44] <Jimbob> pdoms: I'd check it to make sure it worked properly :-)
[11:44] <saber_> Does anyone know how to find the number of pixels between to arbitrary points on the display?
[11:44] <topyli> francisco: sorry, didn't mention your name there ^
[11:44] <Jimbob> starhaw1: You wouldn't happen to be StarHawk, of starhawk.org fame, would you?
[11:45] <starhaw1> no
[11:45] <kay> Something with my wpasupplicant is broken now
[11:45] <kay> Symptom is that wireless goes away and comes back all the time
[11:45] <francisco> topyli, no problem :)
[11:45] <kay> It was interesting to see that no /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant existed
[11:45] <francisco> topyli,  I am trying to find the marillat packages
[11:46] <rem> hey...anyone knows what I can do if i lost CUPS root password .. ??
[11:46] <kay> After downgrade, nothing changed, upgrade again and voila (apt-listchanges shows something new)
[11:46] <kay> And i have it back
[11:46] <kay> Only that it is still not working....
[11:46] <pdoms> Jimbob, I see it changed in config-editor
[11:46] <rem> is there  a simple way to reset it ?
[11:46] <topyli> francisco: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:47] <topyli> francisco: just put that in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:47] <Jimbob> pdoms: Cool, it should work ok then
[11:47] <francisco> ok, done
[11:47] <francisco> :)
[11:47] <topyli> francisco: no. here's the line: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:47] <merlin__> ok, let me try this a different way: how does ubuntu bundle/group software
[11:47] <merlin__> does it only have 2 groups: server and workstation?
[11:47] <pdoms> Jimbob, yes it should, but it doesn't. weird.. i'll have a deeper look onto it.. thanks alot for learning me this!
[11:48] <topyli> francisco: that's where you'll get win32codecs :)
[11:48] <francisco> topyli, I added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:48] <merlin__> If I was KDE for instance, do I have to guess that kde is the metapackage to install? Is there a list?
[11:48] <CarlK> starhaw1, sorry bout that.. bar.net isn't too good either;)
[11:48] <francisco> I figured that I had to put "deb" first topyli
[11:48] <ubuntu> hello
[11:48] <Jimbob> pdoms: np
[11:48] <starhaw1> ok
[11:48] <topyli> francisco: heh
[11:48] <bufalo73> merlin__, have you tried to use synaptic or aptitude?
[11:48] <brrrt> crimsun: i did it again watching more closely to the output, no error no warning no sound
[11:48] <brrrt> crimsun: no master and no pcm
[11:49] <CarlK> I installed k3b, shouldn;'t it be on the menu somewhere?
[11:49] <merlin__> bufalo73: I haven't run them on ubuntu yet. Do they have special bundles?
[11:49] <starhaw1> where
[11:49] <dcraven> merlin__, synaptic can be used to view category types.
[11:50] <starhaw1> I am looking at it to
[11:51] <starhaw1> did you find it
[11:51] <starhaw1> carlk
[11:51] <t3rror> where do you all look for background images?
[11:51] <CarlK> starhaw1, ran it, looking now
[11:51] <starhaw1> ok
[11:51] <dcraven> t3rror, gnome-look typically.
[11:52] <t3rror> i will check there
[11:52] <francisco> topyli, after win32codecs I am done? :O
[11:52] <merlin__> dcraven: ok, so I see the package types on synaptic. But this doesn't tell me how I can find some ubuntu-desktop metapackage or ubuntu-kde
[11:52] <t3rror> i am just not familiar with the different repositories for background images
[11:52] <pdoms> Jimbob, strange problem. I putted the same manual in nr. 11 and than it works.. :s
[11:52] <merlin__> for that matter, is there some meta server package I should install to get essential stuff like sshd?
[11:52] <topyli> francisco: i guess, if the gstreamer backend really works. try and view some pr0n or something :)
[11:52] <dcraven> merlin__, I'm not really understanding.
[11:52] <merlin__> Is sshd really supposed to be missing from a default install?
[11:53] <Burgundavia> merlin__: install ssh, should get it
[11:53] <dcraven> merlin__, you don't have sshd and you want it?
[11:53] <Thundercracker> hi ppl, i'm on an ibook and since i don't have another actual mouse button, i was wondering if anyone knew how i could set my rmb click to be ctrl+click?
[11:53] <CarlK> starhaw1, it is under Tools, CD, burn CD image
[11:53] <starhaw1> ok
[11:53] <garrut> Thundercracker: buy a real mouse ;)
[11:54] <merlin__> Burgundavia: yep, I did that and it's there. I was kind of hoping there was a bundle/task packate I could/should install to have all that stuff installed at once
[11:54] <Thundercracker> garrut, air doesn't support a mouse all that well :)
[11:54] <brrrt> crimsun: are there any ALSA_CARD_OPTIONS  i need to configure for the via82xx ?
[11:54] <dcraven> merlin__, install openssh-client or openssh-server... Or both.
[11:54] <francisco> topyli, lol will do
[11:54] <thully> hi - does anyone know how to speed up sound juicer - I set it up to rip MP3 and it rips at 1.2x - which takes 40 min for a CD!
[11:54] <starhaw1> got it thank you
[11:55] <topyli> francisco: i'm interested because if gstreamer does work, i can get rid of xine myself!
[11:55] <CarlK> thully, get a faster drive - (audion <> data)
[11:55] <merlin__> dcraven/ Burgundavia: same thing with KDE: it comes with many packages. Without just looking at them all and guessing, how do I know which is the master package that installs all of KDE?
[11:55] <dcraven> merlin__, I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm unclear as to who should be responsible for determining what would be included in such a metapackage.
[11:55] <starhaw1> burning now
[11:55] <thully> is DMA off by default on Ubuntu?
[11:55] <CarlK> yipee
[11:55] <imka> could someone give me a hint what's wrong when i run make cloneconfig and make prepare in /usr/src/linux? i paste it in flood
[11:55] <CarlK> thully,  for CD i think it is
[11:56] <francisco> topyli, heh. Ok, so I open Totem movie player
[11:56] <topyli> yes
[11:56] <Burgundavia> merlin__: should be kubuntu-desktop
[11:56] <thully> Also, how do I change bitrate of an MP3 rip?
[11:56] <dcraven> thully, for opticals, I beleive so.
[11:56] <pdoms> Jimbob, any idea?
[11:56] <topyli> francisco: get something with a wicked codec like avi or mov
[11:56] <merlin__> dcraven: the packaging guys :) / Burgundavia: thanks, that's what I was looking for. So, without asking here, is there a way for me to find that out by myself? :)
[11:56] <francisco> ok
[11:57] <Burgundavia> merlin__: ask here?
[11:57] <Jimbob> pdoms: Well, hum.
[11:57] <dcraven> merlin__, I think you just guess or use search in synaptic if you have an idea what you are looking for.
[11:57] <pdoms> Jimbob, I really don't understand why it doesn't work.. It looks ok in config-editor
[11:57] <imka> could someone please come to #flood and help me what's wrong when i try to run make cloneconfig?
[11:57] <francisco> topyli, seems like Totem won't start heh.
[11:57] <dcraven> merlin__, you'll get used to it. It's not as bad as it seems :)
[11:57] <Jimbob> pdoms: What are you setting the keybinding to?
[11:57] <mkedwards> Can anyone enlighten me as to why packages like openoffice.org-l10-en depend on openoffice.org (>> 1.1.1+1.1.2) | language-support-en and therefore are not automatically removed when openoffice.org is?
[11:58] <merlin__> dcraven/Burgundavia: fair enough :) / apt-cache search ubuntu | grep ubuntu will also give me a clue
[11:58] <pdoms> Jimbob, <Super>l
[11:58] <merlin__> thanks guys :)
[11:58] <Burgundavia> merlin__: or synatpic
[11:58] <starhaw1> my next ? is what is the slowest processos speed I can run this on horry
[11:58] <dcraven> merlin__, cheers.
[11:58] <rainer> Hi there, just got a short question: I got Ubuntu now running on two maschines and wanna use one just as x display so I added the other to xhost, but still can't open the display, anybody can tell me why?
[11:58] <pdoms> Jimbob, but that cannot cause the problem, It worked before (my account only)
[11:58] <topyli> francisco: are you starting totem from the menu or opening the file from nautilus?
[11:58] <Jimbob> Ok
[11:58] <francisco> topyli, from the menu
[11:58] <plagerism> whats a good vo driver when using the fglrx ati driver??
[11:58] <CarlK> starhaw1, hoary will run on a 386, but you may not like it ;)
[11:58] <topyli> hrm
[11:59] <starhaw1> 233 with 96 meg ram ok
[11:59] <topyli> francisco: the proven method: install totem-xine. sad but true
[11:59] <Jimbob> pdoms: Will you be around in 4 hours?
[11:59] <Jimbob> Guess not...
[11:59] <kevogod> Is it rude of me to only order two CDs?
[11:59] <oklinux> I think ubuntu is overrated
[11:59] <safrican> Is the Ubuntu GNOME theme available to the non-Ubuntu users?
[11:59] <francisco> topyli, totem-xine is already the newest version.
[12:00] <CarlK> starhaw1, I have a P1-233, 96 - I only installed X, firevox and one of  the "light" window managers - it "works" but I am not thrilled
[12:00] <topyli> ah


[01:41] <codepython777> http://ppa.launchpad.net/yannubuntu/boot-repair/ubuntu/ - whats this ppa?
[04:05] <MACscr> anyone having issues with the ubuntu repos tonight?
[04:05] <MACscr> getting resolving issues
[04:10] <bradm> MACscr: what are you seeing?
[04:10] <MACscr> nvm, guess the system got some networking issue after upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10
[05:38] <MACscr> still havent solved why the networking is no longer working though =(
[05:38] <MACscr> doesnt appear to get an ip from dhcp anymore
[06:07] <Rallias> So... every time in the last month that I've done init 6 on my newly installed ubuntu servers, it's just shut down the machines... is this intentionally diversionary behaviour or is it something I should be concerned with?
[06:36] <rbasak> Rallias: "init 6" is an unusual way to do it. I think it should work, but it's an unusual path, given that we don't use Sys V init. Does "reboot" work?
[06:37] <Rallias> No...
[06:42] <Rallias> rbasak, The only reboot thing that works reliably is sysrq...
[06:42] <rbasak> Rallias: sounds like you have an issue there then.
[08:06] <laite> Hi, I have spent past hour trying to figure how to install Ubuntu server 12.04.3 from usb - no matter what I seem to do, I'm always stuck on "problem reading data from CD-ROM"
[08:06] <rbasak> !details
[08:06] <laite> I have tried creating install usb with dd, unetbooting and startup disc creator, and everytime the result is same
[08:07] <rbasak> So you can't boot the installer at all?
[08:07] <rbasak> At what stage do you get the error?
[08:07] <laite> installer boots, I can set locale and such, but it stops on error where it "can't find cdrom"
[08:07] <rbasak> I see.
[08:08] <rbasak> Have you checked the image you're writing?
[08:08] <rbasak> md5 or sha256 or whatever.
[08:09] <laite> ah, no, obviously I should've
[08:09] <laite> I'll see to it now
[08:11] <laite> yes, at least the downloaded file seems correct
[08:11] <laite> how do I check if it's correct on my usb?
[08:11] <rbasak> You can dd the other way
[08:11] <laite> ah, thanks
[08:12] <rbasak> dd if=/dev/... bs=128k|cmp - original.iso
[08:12] <rbasak> Or something like that
[08:12] <rbasak> (otherwise you'll go past the end and it'll come up wrong anyway)
[08:12] <rbasak> Or check the size and calculate and use dd count=
[08:19] <laite> rbasak:  I ran `dd if=/dev/sdd bs=128k|cmp - ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso` and it gave just a line: "cmp: EOF on ubuntu-12.04.3-server-amd64.iso"
[08:19] <laite> does this mean it's all right?
[08:19] <rbasak> Yes
[08:20] <laite> so the disk isn't faulty
[08:20] <rbasak> Next, I'd try another machine and see if you can get past that stage. It's before anything actually gets done to the disk, right?
[08:20] <laite> right, I'll try with my laptop
[08:20] <rbasak> There might be some BIOS settings around USB boot emulation to tweak
[08:23] <laite> still the same "can't find cd-rom" error on another machine
[08:41] <kalle_> I have a problem with the package "ftp-proxy". I have set up a reverse proxy for my FTP on a firewall/NAT machine, but I get random "Connection reset by peer" when doing file listings in empty directories...
[09:05] <rbasak> yolanda: regarding https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147274320/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.rubyluabridge_0.7.0-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz, the buildds resolve build dependencies slightly differently. I reproduced your sbuild result OK, and compared the build dep resolution against the archive build failure. I get these differences: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6043311/. It looks to me that on the buildds things like "require rdoc/task" and "require mkmf" a
[09:05] <rbasak> I never figured out if there's a way to get sbuild to do exactly what the buildds will do for build dependency resolution. It's annoying.
[09:05] <yolanda> rbasak, what i saw is that my local sbuild uses ruby1.9 and builder there ruby1.8
[09:05] <yolanda> that should be the key
[09:05] <yolanda> i need to force ruby1.9
[09:06] <rbasak> I get both ruby1.8 installed in both environments.
[09:06] <rbasak> And ruby1.9.1-dev in both environments.
[09:08] <rbasak> Some source package intentionally build for both ruby1.8 and ruby1.9.1, so dropping one and forcing another may cause a regression in that functionality. I'm not sure if that applies to this package, though.
[09:08] <rbasak> I think that adding a build-dep on ruby and/or ruby1.9.1 may fix it.
[09:10] <yolanda> rbasak, i was comparing my build log with that, mine is setting up update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1, and builder is setting up ruby1.8
[09:10] <yolanda> so yes, trying to add ruby 1.9 as dep
[09:12] <yolanda> i thought sbuilds for same platforms should work the same in all builders, then there is no way to be sure 100% that a package builds until it's uploaded?
[09:15] <Daviey> yolanda: You can download the chroot used by launchpad, to better match the remote environment
[09:16] <yolanda> Daviey, how can i do it, i'm interested on it
[09:24] <Daviey> yolanda: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/147277667/chroot-ubuntu-saucy-i386.tar.bz2
[09:26] <yolanda> thx
[09:58] <RoyK> huh - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6043505/ - any idea? whoever came up with the idea of three kernel tracks for an LTS release?
[09:59] <RoyK> damn - /boot is full -
[09:59]  * RoyK sticks his head down back in the sand
[10:08] <rbasak> RoyK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack if you're not aware of it.
[10:08] <rbasak> It's to give users of newer hardware who need new kernels the LTS with the LTS userspace and just the new kernel
[11:38]  * xnox ponders if in "Investigate alternatives to mysql" session anyone mentioned PostgreSQL =)
[11:39] <jamespage> xnox, no because its not an alternative to mysql as it does not implement 'mysql'
[11:39] <jamespage> :-)
[11:39] <xnox> =)))))) i know, but would be funny if somebody writes compat for postgresql =)
[11:40]  * xnox says "what could possibly go wrong...."
[12:09] <geser> xnox: like http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/657-PostgreSQL-9.0-Includes-the-new-MySQL-Emulation-Layer.html (but look at the date)
[12:12] <xnox> i love it!
[12:52] <oz0ne> hi, tryed to do a merge proposal from my branch. got an error "this branch is not mergeable into lp:serverguide." I did fill in Target branch (other) : ~ubuntu-core-doc/serverguide/saucy
[12:53] <oz0ne> is it affected of the naming when i pushed it? "bzr push lp:~ablacksheep/ubuntu-docs/saucy-serverguide"? or am i just doing something other wrong? ty.
[13:10] <oz0ne> i managed. : )
[14:42] <roaksoax> jamespage: yeah exactly the same issue
[14:43] <jamespage> yolanda, I think we need to disable the cinder-volume and cinder-backup DEP-8 tests - they appear to be racey
[14:44] <jamespage> if LVM is not configured then they exit out at some point in time after starting...
[14:47] <eSoul> Hey guys, I am running an Ubuntu 13.04 server box and I have a 2nd network card for my VirtualBox VMs.  Right now, I have to issue a "sudo ifconfig eth1 up" on boot to start the interface but I was wondering if there is something in /etc/network/interfaces I could put in to bring the interface up at boot.   It has no network configuration on it at all, just looking to "turn-on" the
[14:47] <eSoul> interface
[14:52] <yolanda> jamespage, ok, i will do it
[14:52] <roaksoax> jamespage: /win 15
[14:53] <roaksoax> err
[14:53] <roaksoax> sorry
[14:53] <jamespage> lol
[15:03] <roaksoax> jamespage: so destroying the environment would require to sync tools again?
[15:03] <jamespage> roaksoax, yep - raised a bug about that as well
[15:03] <jamespage> there is no 'public tools' in maas
[15:04] <roaksoax> i see
[15:08] <smoser> just fyi, jamespage utlemming anyone else interested
[15:08] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-cloudimage-keyring/+bug/1218963
[16:06] <roaksoax> /q/win 15
[16:25] <banzounet> What port should I open for a mail server?
[16:25] <banzounet> 25, ... ?
[16:25] <banzounet> (Hi guys)
[16:29] <e_t_> Yes, port 25. Perhaps other ports if you want to do more than receive mail.
[16:40] <plokami666> Hello
[16:41] <plokami666> Can somebody tell me if it's possible to make users able to write to a directory that is owned by a different user but have the owner user able to read/write to and from the files uploaded by the others?
[16:42] <plokami666> Ubuntu server 12.04, going to use sftp
[16:44] <plokami666> I need to do the above because the main user has a valid shell and I don't want the people I'll be giving sftp access to being able to ssh to the server.
[16:54] <ikonia> plokami666: please don't cross post questions, you're already asking/getting help in #ubuntu
[16:54] <plokami666> I'm not really getting any help and when I posted here nobody had replied to me.
[16:56] <ikonia> ok, so please don't cross-post then
[16:56] <ikonia> find the right channel for your question and post it
[16:57] <plokami666> I wasn't aware of this channel before. I looked for it after getting silence at first in the #ubuntu one. :)
[17:34] <vedic> Hello Friends. I am trying to setup a small team of 5 to 10 people to work on a project. I am looking to buy VPS from a hosting provider and run bug tracker and repository on it. How can I ensure that the team members can only access to the bug tracker site and pull/push to server only from particular systems.
[17:35] <vedic> I use 12.04 LTS 64bit.
[17:35] <sarnold> vedic: iptables; the ufw frontend is friendly and uncomplicated.
[17:35] <vedic> I want to restrict that if they are not in office they should not be able to access the site
[17:35] <rdw200169> vedic: why not use github organizations for private repos?
[17:36] <vedic> rdw200169: We use bzr
[17:37] <vedic> sarnold: ok, I take a public IP for office internet and only enable that ip on port 443 right?
[17:37] <rdw200169> vedic: yup then ufw/iptables is the way to go; you can also make your vpc connect to your office (if you have  linux box there) thru openvpn to lock down access
[17:38] <vedic> rdw200169: Yea, we use only Ubuntu 12.04
[17:38] <rdw200169> sarnold: if your services run on port 443; i don't know what the bzr port is, but you'll need that one too
[17:38] <vedic> rdw200169: oh yea
[17:39] <rdw200169> vedic: really depends on your source ip on outbound traffic from the office; i assume the office will have a nat, and the external IP (or IPs) of that nat is what you'll you want to use on the vpc firewall
[17:41] <rdw200169> vedic: if your office users are hidden behind a nat, the only way to classify traffic firewall rules per user at the vpc would be with a vpn (since nat will hide the IP of your users)
[17:42] <rdw200169> vedic: or you could use a captive portal or something at the vpc to keep people out that don't have creds (the ways of doing this are outside the scope of this convo tho)
[17:44] <vedic> rdw200169: Currently I don't have static ip. But that is what really required I will get another net connection and the PCs in office will be behind that running on DHCP. Then on the remote server I can enable ufw (or via iptables) only the static ip on specific ports. Hope that will work out access denied from anywhere else
[17:46] <tonyyarusso> vedic: Why do you want to block access to working from home btw?
[17:47] <vedic> tonyyarusso: Because as of now I don't want to allow work from home. The access to server involves access to user data which I don't want anybody to use outside the office space
[17:48] <tonyyarusso> That didn't really answer why...
[17:49] <tonyyarusso> Do you prohibit any electronic devices from entering or leaving the office space and do bag checks to enforce that?
[17:55] <vedic> tonyyarusso: More restrictions doesn't make the argument to allow to access from anywhere.
[17:55] <vedic> tonyyarusso: There are levels of security which you can add. And crossing each level has different motives and efforts
[17:55] <sarnold> it might be easier to just hire people you can trust and give them the access they want to do their job best.
[17:56] <vedic> sarnold: Will do. But not at this stage
[17:56] <sarnold> restricting access to a limited number of IPs makes a ton of sense, no reason why the application source has to be the only line of defense..
[17:56] <sarnold> .. but letting employees work from home tends to improve moral and performance in my experience
[17:57] <vedic> sarnold: sure. I agree.
[17:57] <sarnold> (who wants to sit in the office at ten pm? no one.. but from the couch at home? sure..)
[17:57] <sarnold> but it's your staff and your data :) hehe
[17:57] <vedic> sarnold: yup :)
[17:57] <hallyn_> sarnold: no sometimes i do like being in an office at 10pm :)
[17:57] <vedic> :)
[17:57] <sarnold> hallyn_: haha :D
[18:04] <banzounet> Hey, is it possible to use apache to cover URL like domain.com:8000 and have thing like aaa.domain.com ?
[18:04] <banzounet> and still have the port 8000 block from outside
[18:04] <ikonia> mod_proxy
[18:04] <ikonia> mod_rewrite
[18:06] <banzounet> ikonia: thanks i'll google that
[18:26] <tonyyarusso> It doesn't make any sense to have "security" that doesn't actually accomplish anything except annoy people.
[18:26] <tonyyarusso> That's like locking your front door while leaving the garage door open.
[19:09] <thurstylark> I'm having trouble establishing a pptp tunnel. I'm completely new to vpn, and I want to learn, so any guides or help you can give me would be great
[19:11] <Guest36475>  hey world
[19:40] <garbagegod> Question regarding a high-volume web server setup
[19:43] <garbagegod> Can anyone recommend a host / strategy for a web server which will need to serve several hundred thousand clients a minute
[19:43] <garbagegod> I'm thinking an amazon ec2 with nginx serving flat html
[19:43] <garbagegod> Do you guys think that'll cut it?
[19:43] <garbagegod> Would you recommend using memcached?
[19:47] <tonyyarusso> garbagegod: Key question:  several hundred thousand clients a minute EVERY minute, or sometimes, with several orders of magnitude less much of the time?
[19:48] <garbagegod> most likely the latter
[19:48] <tonyyarusso> Then Amazon's stuff may be worthwhile.
[19:48] <garbagegod> I'm expecting no less than several thousand hits a minute every minute, and I'd like to be able to accomodate up to around 1 million hits/minute
[19:48] <tonyyarusso> Some coworkers are trying to set things up on Amazon, and are frustrated by the added complexity.
[19:49] <garbagegod> Do tell
[19:49] <tonyyarusso> The alternative is just spin up normal VPS systems.
[19:49] <garbagegod> I think it would be adventageous to implement a cloud based solution in this instance... a single VPS ain't gonna work
[19:49] <tonyyarusso> Never said a single VPS.
[19:49] <tonyyarusso> You can have a zillion of them if you want.
[19:50] <garbagegod> yeah, so now it's not really that much added complexity in comparison, is it ;)
[19:50] <tonyyarusso> It's whether it needs to be dynamically elastic that's complicated.
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> If it really is just flat HTML and nothing else, your solution can be equivalent to a hostname with a thousand A records and a thousand Raspberry Pis.
[19:53] <garbagegod> EC2 it is
[19:53] <tonyyarusso> Meanwhile, you should balance the relative value of predictable costs for your business.  If for some reason there was a day when you got a TRILLION hits/minute, would you prefer to pay a million times more or have the site go down?
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> I think Amazon might let you limit how big things can grow now though.
[19:54] <garbagegod> Right... Obviously 1 million would be crazy high, but I would like the security because that's the high end I was given to support
[19:54] <garbagegod> What kind of specs do you think I should get
[19:54] <garbagegod> I assume I just need to get a small instance, do some benchmarking, and scale up as needed
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> Not a damn clue :)
[19:55] <garbagegod> Yeah. Just multiplying the avg RTTs and whatnot
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, if you have the ability to benchmark with some real-world data, that's obviously your best shot.
[19:55] <garbagegod> Okay, thanks a lot
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> Good luck - sounds like a fun project
[19:55] <garbagegod> Indeed :)
[20:57] <DammitJim> this is the weirdest thing
[20:57] <DammitJim> I installed server 12.04 lts
[20:58] <DammitJim> but when selecting the packages, I picked openssh and manual
[20:58] <DammitJim> after that screen I got a black screen where I could install stuff or upgrade stuff. I quit out of that
[20:58] <DammitJim> and finished the installation
[20:58] <Lequtix> when i install it i only choose openssh
[20:58] <Lequtix> then i install the rest once i reboot and setup IP address and hostname
[20:58] <DammitJim> now I'm trying to install a window manager because my boss can't do terminal
[20:58] <DammitJim> and I ended up adding a ubuntu-desktop ppa
[20:59] <DammitJim> but during the install, it's giving me size mismatch
[20:59] <Lequtix> email servers don't do well until u give the box a static ip and setup the hostname and FQDN
[20:59] <DammitJim> I got an email address
[20:59] <DammitJim> haven't gotten tot he email thing :D
[20:59] <Lequtix> DamnitJim ..  install ubuntu server .. only choose ssh server during setup
[20:59] <Lequtix> once you reboot
[21:00] <DammitJim> ok
[21:00] <Lequtix> set static IP.. and set FQDN
[21:00] <Lequtix> you know how?
[21:00] <DammitJim> why do I need an FQDN?
[21:00] <DammitJim> I have a static IP address
[21:00] <Lequtix> email servers work off the domain names
[21:00] <DammitJim> oh, I'll get to that
[21:00] <DammitJim> the first part I need to do is the window manager piece
[21:00] <Lequtix> well.. i recommend using webmin
[21:00] <Lequtix> instead of gui
[21:00] <DammitJim> LOL
[21:01] <Lequtix> gui adds complexity in terms of device automounting etc.
[21:02] <Lequtix> if my boss wanted a gui for his mail server i'd tell him to pony up for exchange server and server 2012
[21:02] <Lequtix> hahaha
[21:02] <Lequtix> that changes his mind
[21:02] <Lequtix> whats the point of a gui when you have to still manage exim from terminal anyhow
[21:02] <Lequtix> a terminal in a window is the same as an SSH window
[21:03] <Lequtix> with a webmin interface he can manage the server through a browser from anywhere
[21:03] <Lequtix> just my opinion
[21:04] <TJ-> Always dangerous; allowing a non-technical manager to do such a thing. Make sure and deploy git to /etc/ and a cron job to commit changes every 5 minutes or so
[21:04] <mosh> ummm
[21:04] <Lequtix> installing a gui on a server is just retarded in my opinion
[21:05] <mosh> You can also use Redmail, for a /type/ of GUI
[21:05] <Lequtix> exim4u.org also has a webmin thingie for exim only
[21:05] <mosh> but I don't know if it supports ubuntu server, I know it works on debian.
[21:06] <mosh> Which really it should support Ubuntu Server.
[21:06] <mosh> If it works on Debian.
[21:06] <DammitJim> ok, guys, I just started working here
[21:06] <Lequtix> HAHAHAHA
[21:06] <DammitJim> and I've got the ultimate decision
[21:07] <Lequtix> i feel your pain man..
[21:07] <DammitJim> LOL... I actually would have installed debian
[21:07] <Lequtix> i have had bosses like that
[21:07] <DammitJim> but he pushed for Ubuntu
[21:07] <DammitJim> LOL
[21:07] <Lequtix> ugh
[21:07] <Lequtix> so what is the mandate for the project then?
[21:07] <Lequtix> ubuntu linux, Gnome desktop, and exim4 mail server?
[21:08] <TJ-> If you go with Ubuntu you have a faster upgrade cycle. For example, if you want to host HTTPS, then 13.10 has apache 2.4 which support's perfect forward secrecy via SSLCipherSuite, which is provided by OpenSSL, and can be implemented also in Postfix, Dovecot, Stunnel, and others that require TLS
[21:09] <Lequtix> fast upgrade cycle sucks in business cus there's always better things to be doing with your tine
[21:09] <Lequtix> if it works don't fix it
[21:09] <Lequtix> my opinion
[21:09] <Lequtix> im sure i'll get yelled at
[21:09] <Lequtix> :O
[21:09] <TJ-> Not when it comes to security
[21:09] <DammitJim> actually, he listened to some other dude that has been here for over a decade and he said lxde
[21:10] <Lequtix> i keep everything behind a firewal.. only necessisary ports are exposed
[21:10] <DammitJim> no need to be on the fast lane for this project
[21:10] <DammitJim> dammit...  :D
[21:17] <Lequtix> its completely pointless
[21:17] <Lequtix> first you need a windows workstation to run the vsphere client
[21:17] <Lequtix> secondly the performance sucks
[21:17] <Lequtix> thirdly the vmware tools are a pain in the ass
[21:18] <Lequtix> Quit that job Jim .. find another one
[21:18] <Lequtix> lol
[21:19] <Lequtix> just kidding..
[21:20] <Lequtix> i'm sure there's a vmware appliance for a standard ubuntu 12.04 LTS install
[21:20] <Lequtix> already packaged
[21:23] <DammitJim> weird... what is that manual package selection option where one picks openssh ?
[21:23] <Lequtix> just don't pick anything
[21:23] <DammitJim> should I select that or install ubuntu-desktop later?
[21:23] <DammitJim> when do I do the ubuntu-desktop piece?
[21:23] <Lequtix> you want the desktop for sure?
[21:23] <Lequtix> in a vm?
[21:23] <DammitJim> yes
[21:23] <DammitJim> it sucks
[21:23] <Lequtix> ok..  install it then
[21:23] <DammitJim> but I gotta do it
[21:23] <DammitJim> but how is the question
[21:23] <Lequtix> let the installer do it for u
[21:24] <Lequtix> it's not in tasksel?
[21:24] <DammitJim> tasksel
[21:24] <DammitJim> where is that?
[21:24] <Lequtix> maybe that's debian
[21:24] <DammitJim> where you pick the packages like openssh mail samba, etc?
[21:24] <Lequtix> ya
[21:24] <DammitJim> on debian you at least see a window manager option LOL
[21:24] <Lequtix> ok.. don't pick anything
[21:24] <DammitJim> here it just says manual selection or something
[21:24] <Lequtix> just install base ubuntu
[21:25] <Lequtix> then when u get into the os..  configure all the networking and FQDN
[21:25] <Lequtix> then update/upgrade
[21:25] <Lequtix> then apt-get install tasksel
[21:25] <Lequtix> then sudo tasksel
[21:25] <Lequtix> it will give u the software selection menu that you are used to
[21:25] <Lequtix> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[21:26] <Lequtix> you should probably install the vmware tools first tho
[21:26] <Lequtix> before installing everything
[21:32] <DammitJim> thanks
[21:32] <DammitJim> running