[02:52] <zelrikriando> piju_, the laptop do heat more with time...try cleaning the fan and stuff
[02:52] <the_darkside_986> With GParted, you can make one extended partitions, and put multiple partitions within it.
[02:52] <bobrock> I guess I will live with this glitch
[02:52] <lazertek> Zamadatx: they are kde integrated programs
[02:52] <Starkid> the_darkside_986: if i put swap as extended, it will still work?
[02:52] <Jordan_U> lucas_: can you pastebin the output ( if any ) of "sudo dpkg --configure -a" ( even if it's spanish )
[02:52] <Zamadatx> whats kde?
[02:52] <smallfoot-> td123, i always do 'sudo apt-get install ...'
[02:53] <Starkid> the_darkside_986:  i m already using gparted,
[02:53] <td123> smallfoot-: ok, do apt-get then
[02:53] <the_darkside_986> It should. I believe that's what I do all the time.
[02:53] <lazertek> Zamadatx: a desktop enviornment like gnome.. you should really read up some stuff
[02:53] <bobrock> linux is cool
[02:53] <lucas_> Jordan_U, wait i got another sources.list checking that
[02:53] <lazertek> bobrock: oh yea!
[02:53] <smallfoot-> bobrock, yeah it got some cool stuff, like compiz
[02:53] <Zamadatx> welll i just got ungrounded from comp after 2 years
[02:53] <the_darkside_986> I have extended partitions: /, /home, and "linux swap"
[02:53] <amatson97> is any one here into DS emulators
[02:53] <Zamadatx> ya
[02:53] <Starkid> ok, the_darkside_986: "/" and "/boot", primary and swap= extended?
[02:54] <Zamadatx> i agve link a while ago
[02:54] <the_darkside_986> I don't have /boot separate, actually.
[02:54] <td123> amatson97: you're lucky somebody responded ya :P
[02:54] <smallfoot-> amatson97, are you a girl?
[02:54] <td123> lol
[02:54] <the_darkside_986> I have first, an NTFS partition, and then an Extended Partition which I setup as /, /home, and "swap"
[02:54] <Starkid> oh right, thats wat the prob,
[02:54] <td123> smallfoot-: did you install ntfsprogs?
[02:54] <the_darkside_986> You can rename extended partitions' mount point from Ubuntu install though.
[02:55] <amatson97> no i aint a girl
[02:55] <Starkid>  m trying backtrack :s not ubuntu thanx anyways
[02:55] <bobrock> whats a good rss news reader
[02:55] <amatson97> i have the software i have problems with it
[02:55] <smallfoot-> td123, i just think it should be possible from GUI, many people have requested this
[02:55] <Zamadatx> amatson dsmume
[02:55] <lucas_> Jordan_U, thanks man i think it was my sources.list... now im installing firefox
[02:55] <bobrock> whats a good rss news reader
[02:55] <amatson97> i am in there channel but no one is talking it is rather dead there lol
[02:55] <lazertek> bobrock: evolution or firefox
[02:55] <zelrikriando> piju_, I ll tell you something....last month my laptop started to break...kernel panic and stuff...I looked at the temperature...90┬░C + when busy..I tried several things (putting books under the laptop...) ...but what fixed it is : take it appart , clean the fan AND the grid, changing the themal coupling paste
[02:55] <smallfoot-> amatson97, are you born 1997?
[02:55] <td123> smallfoot-: ... so your basically saying no to something because it doesn't have a gui?
[02:56] <Zamadatx> this channle should be split...
[02:56] <amatson97> no 1990
[02:56] <lazertek> Zamadatx: why too many posts
[02:56] <Zamadatx> ya
[02:56] <smallfoot-> td123, well, i think it should have a gui, so its easy to use, and anyone can use it, but if i want use cli, i can do that
[02:56] <Zamadatx> im used to slower chats
[02:56] <lazertek> Zamadatx: you'll get used to it
[02:56] <Zamadatx> i hope so
[02:56] <bobrock> evolution is mail client
[02:57] <lazertek> Zamadatx: in a way its good... lot more people to help too
[02:57] <Zamadatx> anone have dolphin file manager?
[02:57] <bliZZardz> is dist-upgrade still supported for upgrading?
[02:57] <bobrock> cli is the best
[02:57] <bobrock> minimul gui
[02:57] <td123> smallfoot-: show me whats so hard about using the terminal, here's how to do it. "sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs" then "sudo ntfslabel /dev/ntfspartition newlabel" that's it!!! how ez. you should try things before judging them..
[02:57] <amatson97> well if any one is willing to help PM me please cause i am trying to fix it i would be very greatful
[02:58] <nickrud> bliZZardz not preferred, do-release-upgrade is
[02:58] <lazertek> im out... later
[02:58] <smallfoot-> td123, with terminal, you have to remember stuff, its especially hard for users who dont know what to type
[02:58] <Jordan_U> lucas_: np
[02:58] <Zamadatx> hae to ask but can u make ubuntu faster?
[02:58] <bliZZardz> nickrud : i am running feisty and want to start using hardy. I have the cd for the latter.
[02:58] <smallfoot-> td123, personally, i often use terminal
[02:58] <nickrud> bliZZardz you'd have to go thru gutsy to get to hardy
[02:59] <td123> smallfoot-: ... what do you use the terminal for then..
[02:59] <bliZZardz> nickrud: or can i remove feisty and install hardy ?
[02:59] <nickrud> bliZZardz yes.
[02:59] <zelrikriando> I would suggest a fresh install
[02:59] <Zamadatx> is there a better thing than blender?
[02:59] <td123> smallfoot-: I don't believe you if you're complaining about such a thing as ntfslabel
[02:59] <bliZZardz> nickrud : am trying this out for the first time - how do i save /home and then do the install?
[02:59] <smallfoot-> td123, apt-get, ls, uname, etc
[02:59] <Zamadatx> where can i see my system information and harware ram etc
[02:59] <cybertaur1> Hello everyone, I have a question about amarok: is there an easy way to remove (or quarantine at least) duplicates in your library based on artist / title information?
[02:59] <cybertaur1> Or should I write my own python script
[02:59] <zelrikriando> Zamadatx, blender is actually good
[03:00] <bliZZardz> nickrud : is dist-upgrade supported? (i guess not)
[03:00] <Zamadatx> i used it on windows
[03:00] <nickrud> bliZZardz best way is to backup to an external medium, and when you install the new version, make /home a separate partition , then return
[03:00] <td123> smallfoot-: all of those things are harder to use then ntfslabel. Just want to point that out
[03:00] <nickrud> bliZZardz dist-upgrade isn't supported for skipping releases, never has been
[03:00] <zelrikriando> Zamadatx, unfortunalty other options can not be installed natively...maybe with Wine though
[03:00] <Zamadatx> wine is slow
[03:00] <bliZZardz> nickrud : can i just copy the files or do i need to take care of MBR etc??
[03:01] <smallfoot-> td123, yeah, but you have to use ntfslabel for ntfs, ext3label for ext3, etc fatlabel for fat32, i think, etc i think there should just be a 'label' command
[03:01] <zelrikriando> Zamadatx, what makes you think that?
[03:01] <Zamadatx> ive used it
[03:01] <sunaboz1> is curl faster than wget for http and ftp downloads? or just the same?
[03:01] <nickrud> bliZZardz all you really need to backup is everything in your $HOME, that will retain all your personal configs. The factoid clone, which I'll give, helps you retain your package list easily
[03:01] <nickrud> !clone | bliZZardz
[03:01] <zelrikriando> Zamadatx, for what software?
[03:01] <Zamadatx> anything better than ktorrent bcause i might get that
[03:02] <Zamadatx> can i make my ubuntu partition larger ithout damaging it?
[03:02] <anteaya> i am browsing the screensavers, and the Pictures Folder screensaver is displaying some unusual pictures.  How do I find out where these pictures are located?
[03:02] <Zamadatx> becaus ei only made it 20 gb
[03:02] <Zamadatx> i want it 30
[03:02] <cybertaur1> Zamadatx: I'm using utorrent on wine, and it works really well
[03:02] <Zamadatx> well thats not bery hevy
[03:02] <smallfoot-> Zamadatx, mine is 20 gb too, its enough for me... i think you can enlarge it with GParted
[03:02] <Alfie> hi everyone
[03:02] <smallfoot-> hi alfie! :)
[03:02] <Zamadatx> and nothing happens to ubuntu?
[03:02] <supertard> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/php5-mysql_5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:03] <Curtis> ?
[03:03] <sunaboz1>  is curl faster than wget for http and ftp downloads? or just the same?
[03:03] <zelrikriando> I remember how I got my partition larger
[03:03] <Alfie> I need help...
[03:03] <bliZZardz> nickrud : ok ..am going ahead with the remove+install - hope all goes well and i am able to connect back within few hrs :)
[03:03] <Zamadatx> is there any speech t text software?
[03:03] <zelrikriando> ...I wiped my whole system :D
[03:03] <nickrud> bliZZardz just be sure to back up your $HOME to external media
[03:03] <Alfie> I'm new
[03:03] <Zamadatx> not text to speech speech to text
[03:03] <anteaya> Alfie: state the question, if someone can help you they will
[03:03] <Zamadatx> why would you do that?
[03:03] <bliZZardz> nickrud : what is the best way to backup?
[03:03] <cybertaur1> sunaboz1: I'd imagine (though I'm no expert) that the limiting factor on both is your internet connection, not the specific tools, so I'd guess them to be the same. but like I said, I don't know.
[03:04] <Zamadatx> i like this irc thing
[03:04] <Alfie> I'm new in ubuntu, is my first day, so i'm learning
[03:04] <nickrud> bliZZardz me, I just plugged in my external and drag & dropped everything. I was lazy.
[03:04] <bliZZardz> :)
[03:04] <bliZZardz> nickrud : and remove feisty?
[03:04] <anteaya> Alfie: good, welcome
[03:04] <Zamadatx> where can i see information like ram and hardrive size etc?
[03:04] <zelrikriando> Zamadatx, I got rid of 3 messy partition + I took the opportunity to get a clean fresh install of hardy :)
[03:04] <Alfie> Thanks
[03:04] <Zamadatx> o
[03:04] <nickrud> bliZZardz just do the install, it will reformat the partition so your install will be from scratch
[03:04] <td123> smallfoot-: because if you combined all those tools together, you would be dealing with an overly complex application. It'll be a lot harder to keep it up. smaller apps tend to be faster/easier to maintain
[03:05] <Alfie> How can I install half life
[03:05] <bliZZardz> nickrud : cool .thanks
[03:05] <quaternio> hi guys, i have a question about upgrading my system
[03:05] <Alfie> I'm using wine
[03:05]  * bliZZardz prays to holy god for this transition :)
[03:05] <lucas_> Jordan_U, now i cant get firefox in spanish...
[03:05] <cybertaur1> sunaboz1: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/1340947045 - "they both use the same protocol", also maybe http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html helps
[03:05] <supertard> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/php5-mysql_5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:05] <smallfoot-> td123, yeah, but would be easier for end-users who dont know so much about their computer and what file system it is
[03:05] <zelrikriando> I do not recommend the 'upgrade' feature of ubuntu
[03:05] <nickrud> bliZZardz seriously, think about giving 10-15gb to / , the right amount of swap, and all the rest to /home . Makes backups and re-installs (for whatever reason) much simpler
[03:06] <Alfie> I receive this error.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,err:dosmem:load_winedos Could not load winedos.dll, DOS subsystem unavailable
[03:06] <Alfie> winevdm: unable to exec '--app-name': 16-bit support missing
[03:06] <anteaya> Alfie: I don't know what half life is, is it a windows program?
[03:06] <quaternio> the online instructions say to make sure your system is up to date using the update manager. and then if you click on 'check...' again, it will tell you that there s an update available.
[03:06] <quaternio> however, mine doesnt say that.
[03:06] <Alfie> Yes, is  game
[03:06] <td123> smallfoot-: ok, fine, you win. make a front-end for all those apps and call it glabel, otherwise stop complaining
[03:06] <Alfie> an old game
[03:06] <quaternio> i am currently using fiesty.
[03:06] <zelrikriando> quaternio, what does it say?
[03:06] <quaternio> zelrikriando: it just says the system is up to date
[03:06] <Zamadatx> what month oes the next ubuntu version come out?
[03:06] <Alfie> Anteaya, I'm trying to install Counter Strike, using wine
[03:07] <bliZZardz> nickrud : am a relative n00b on partitions - hence do not understand what you just said.
[03:07] <zelrikriando> Zamadatx, october I think
[03:07] <quaternio> zelrikriando: i've even checked that the proper repos are being checked.
[03:07] <cybertaur1> alfie: http://ubuntudaily.com/2007/02/22/play-half-life-and-other-steam-games-with-wine/
[03:07] <nickrud> bliZZardz a sec, I'll see if I can find a short, good explanation
[03:07] <piju_> zelrikriando, my cpu is intel core 2 duo, i see 2 temp value now, why cpu1 is hotter than cpu0 ?
[03:07] <LordFlashy> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[03:07] <anteaya> Alfie: i don't know wine, i don't use it, but from what i understand you can't install windows programs on linux, you can just use them with wine
[03:07] <LordFlashy> how can I fix this?
[03:07] <zelrikriando> quaternio, I recommend a fresh install of the system if possible...but that is just my opinion
[03:07] <bliZZardz> nickrud : any good links will be good/
[03:07] <supertard> how do i install mysql php extension, the repository is saying 404 when i try to install with sudo synaptic
[03:07] <LordFlashy> it's occuring after rebooting
[03:07] <anteaya> Alfie: have you gone to this page yet? http://www.winehq.org/
[03:08] <Alfie> yep
[03:08] <Alfie> I can install for example Winamp
[03:08] <Jordan_U> LordFlashy: Is another application using the package management system ( synaptic, apt, dpkg ) ?
[03:08] <Alfie> or Winrar
[03:08] <quaternio> zelrikriando: i was afraid that might be the advice :(
[03:08] <zelrikriando> piju_, I am not sure why...mine are at about the same temp
[03:08] <Lynet> Alfie: Checked the appdb at winehq?
[03:08] <cybertaur1> alfie: or better yet, http://blog.linuxoss.com/2007/02/wine-gaming-steam-half-life-half-life-2-counter-strike-source-and-16/ seems to have step-by-step instructions
[03:08] <td123> piju_: 1 cpu tends to be hotter then the other because one is used more since a lot of apps are still programed for 1 processor. this is normal
[03:08] <Zamadatx> is qcad any good/
[03:08] <smallfoot-> Alfie, you can install Winamp, WinRAR etc with Wine....
[03:08] <quaternio> zelrikriando: is there no way to, er, update the update manager or something?
[03:08] <Alfie> but with the setup file from Hal life i receive a message saying 16 not suppported
[03:08] <LordFlashy> it's been happening since adept stalled the other night installing sun java
[03:09] <zelrikriando> quaternio, upgrade is not so bad....but doesnt match a real fresh install :)
[03:09] <piju_> td123, how to make load balance between 2 cpu ?
[03:09] <Alfie> 16buts sorrry
[03:09] <smallfoot-> Alfie, though why not use Linux software instead? there are good music player for Linux such as XMMS, Audocious, Rhymebox, etc
[03:09] <Bridger> **A simple question for anyone that can help:  The title bars (of applications) on my screen just randomly seemed to disappear.  How can I fix this?
[03:09] <Alfie> yea, but I did that cause I was trying to install something
[03:09] <LordFlashy> how can I pull up a list of processes to kill?
[03:09] <zelrikriando> quaternio, I cannot help you on this, but there exist some 'manual' ways to do it I think
[03:09] <supertard> the ubuntu repo is broken
[03:09] <Alfie> Now i know i can
[03:10] <Bridger> Does anyone know how to bring back title bars?
[03:10] <Alfie> but i have problems witth that game
[03:10] <cortef> does anyone speak russian ?
[03:10] <quaternio> zelrikriando: ok, thanks anyway for chiming in.
[03:10] <td123> piju_: you can't, the applications have to be written to use threads otherwise they are executed on 1 processor. this is also true on all other oses (win, mac...)
[03:10] <Alfie> tell me a game that can be played as counter strike but linux based so i'll use
[03:10] <clever> !universe
[03:10] <Alfie> sorry, my english is very poor
[03:11] <piju_> td123, thanks for explanation
[03:11] <smallfoot-> Alfie, you can play Counter Strike in Linux using Wine
[03:11] <nhaines> I'm currently having a problem with flashplugin-nonfree on my desktop computer where if I go to Flickr, for example, I don't see a lot of Flash overlays such as the little arrows next to the navigation menu options.  Using the same version of flashplayer-nonfree on my laptop computer yields normal operation.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this?  removing the package from my desktop computer and reinstalling hasn't hel
[03:11] <zelrikriando> quaternio, I did a reinstall 3 weeks ago...I made some backups first on some DVD's...it wasnt as bad
[03:11] <Jordan_U> LordFlashy: Do you get any output from "sudo lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock" ?
[03:11] <Alfie> Smallfoot, I know but i have problems installing it
[03:12] <Bridger> ’╗┐**A simple question for anyone that can help:  The title bars (of applications) on my screen just randomly seemed to disappear.  How can I fix this?
[03:12] <td123> piju_: np, we're just in a state of slowly transitioning into multiple cpus on desktops so more apps should start showing up to utilize multiple processors, just really slowly
[03:12] <anteaya> i am browsing the screensavers, and the Pictures Folder screensaver is displaying some unusual pictures.  How do I find out where these pictures are located?
[03:12] <LordFlashy> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/phil/.gvfs
[03:12] <LordFlashy>       Output information may be incomplete.
[03:12] <Alfie> Smallfoot, I can't install half life, i receive an error from wine
[03:12] <nhaines> Bridger: if you have Desktop Effects enabled, then turn it off and see if that helps.  System > Preferences > Appearance
[03:12] <nickrud> bliZZardz http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018 is decent.
[03:12] <Jordan_U> LordFlashy: Ok, but nothing other than that?
[03:13] <ffm> Hey, any idea why flash is so slow when fullscreen in ubuntu?
[03:13] <LordFlashy> nope
[03:13] <piju_> td123, im using 32bit on 64bit capable cpu now
[03:13] <Jordan_U> ffm: Adobe hates Linux
[03:13] <ffm> (example: http://www.hulu.com/watch/26116/the-fifth-element )
[03:13] <ffm> Jordan_U: I've noticed.
[03:13] <bliZZardz> nickrud : thanks
[03:13] <ffm> Jordan_U: any way I can fix that?
[03:13] <Shoopuf> Bridger: I found that my title bars disappeared entirely yesterday. Compiz-Fusions "Window Decorations" seemed to be the culprit.
[03:13] <piju_> td123, is it diffrent when im using 64bit ? i mean the using of cpu
[03:13] <quaternio> zelrikriando: yeah... i'm just complaining :p
[03:13] <piju_> *the use of cpu
[03:14] <anteaya> i am browsing the screensavers, and the Pictures Folder screensaver is displaying some unusual pictures.  How do I find out where these pictures are located?    How do I find them to remove them?
[03:14] <anteaya> please
[03:14] <Alfie> Is there anyone who can help me but in private
[03:14] <LordFlashy> it's ok I think I'll reinstall
[03:14] <LordFlashy> thanks :D
[03:14] <Bridger> ’╗┐nhaines and Shoopuf:  Thanks, I was able to bring back at least the basic Ubuntu/Human title bars, so I should be able to at least function.  I'll play around and see if I can't get my nice Compiz themes back as well.
[03:14] <ubunubi> is there a good place to go to look for *.deb files of 3rd party apps that are newer versions than what's in the repo -- but aren't availa directly from the software developer's website ?  ..maybe someone who tends to compile newer stuff and post it on their own PPA or something?
[03:14] <nickrud> Jordan_U I was told last night that adobe released a new version of flash that didn't quite jibe with ubuntu's sound setup, about a week after hardy release
[03:15] <nickrud> Jordan_U so adobe doesn't hate linux, it just likes to screw around with us
[03:15] <nhaines> Bridger: congrats!  :D  Get "Advanced Desktop Effects" from Add/Remove and you can play around with it.  It'll show up in System > Preferences as well.
[03:15] <Shoopuf> anteaya: Only place I know that holds pictures is /home/your_name/Pictures ..but there might be a few others, try there first
[03:15] <td123> piju_: yes, the 64bit version utilizes all the 64bit capabilities (mainly just more/larger registers) which might have a performance increase but that's only noticeable if you're using it for intensive apps.  but the 32bit version has more support for different things like flash without having to install additional stuff
[03:15] <nhaines> ubunubi: there is hardy-proposed as well as hardy-backports repositories from Ubuntu.
[03:15] <bliZZardz> nickrud : i have taken the backup of /home - last Q : will the cd install ask me for the settings? if yes, how can i just format the present  disk and start from scratch?
[03:15] <Bridger> nhaines:  I've already got that on my menu and ready to go... but how would I go about getting Compiz/Emerald set as the default window manager?
[03:16] <Candol> I have the compizconfig installed how do I set different backgrouds for each desktop?
[03:16] <anteaya> Shoopuf, that directory has been deleted since i never use it, thanks though
[03:16] <ubunubi> nhaines:: something more recent than that. i looked in proposed...i guess i should check backports
[03:16] <nickrud> bliZZardz the whole disk, you're not running any other os on the machine?
[03:16] <nhaines> Bridger: Compiz is already set by default.
[03:16] <erUSUL> !ccsm | Candol
[03:16] <perlsyntax_> Does anyone have a gps??
[03:16] <piju_> td123, how about differences of temperature ?
[03:16] <Alfie> I need help in private plz
[03:16] <perlsyntax_> i need help
[03:16] <bliZZardz> nickrud : have a dual boot(win xp)
[03:16] <Bridger> Ack!    Not the default full-screen either... I'm not sure what's happening.
[03:16] <ubunubi> nhaines:: naw it's not in backports either :(( it's too niche to wind up there (those take attention from higher ups to get in those repos)
[03:17] <nhaines> ubunubi: that is true.
[03:17] <nickrud> bliZZardz use manual partitioning, and set it to use the same partitions you already have for ubuntu.
[03:17] <ubunubi> nhaines: i checked getdeb. com ..but it only has newer version of major software packages like Gimp and Blender
[03:17] <td123> piju_: temps will be the same. 64bit apps are usually not multithreaded if the app for 32bit isn't
[03:17] <bliZZardz> nickrud : ok
[03:17] <bliZZardz> nickrud : anything else that i need t keep in mind? can i startoff/
[03:18] <Shaba1> hey nickrud
[03:18] <Alfie> I need help in private plz
[03:18] <nickrud> bliZZardz nope, that's about it. Use the same partitions, and when you're done copy back the stuff into your $HOME
[03:18] <nhaines> Alfie: what kind of help?
[03:18] <nickrud> Shaba1 hi there
[03:18] <Bridger> I'll try a restart...
[03:18] <Alfie> installing a windows program with wine
[03:18] <Shaba1> Hey anyone ever use and applet called Ksayit?
[03:19] <perlsyntax_> does anyone know how i can download maps for my gps for 2009?
[03:19] <bliZZardz> /me...off he goes
[03:19] <GrimRe> which gps is it?
[03:19] <perlsyntax_> garmin 200w
[03:20] <perlsyntax_> i new with gps
[03:20] <GrimRe> which country?
[03:20] <perlsyntax_> usa
[03:21] <perlsyntax_> GrimRe, i not sure how i can update my map on garmin web site.
[03:21] <perlsyntax_> any ideas
[03:21] <obf213> i can't take this firefox crashing everytime flash comes on
[03:21] <obf213> its getting quite annoying
[03:21] <GrimRe> https://my.garmin.com/maps/updates.htm
[03:21] <GrimRe> check your serial if its the latest maps
[03:22] <perlsyntax_> i try that
[03:22] <perlsyntax_> that why i am here
[03:22] <GrimRe> I did it a few days ago and worked fine
[03:22] <Gralco> is there a way i can add trash to the Awn
[03:22] <td123> perlsyntax_: welll what was the problem?
[03:22] <perlsyntax_> GrimRe,how you do it?
[03:22] <td123> obf213: what ff version do you have?
[03:23] <Shoopuf> anteaya: Sorry, the only solution I can find is run gnome-search-tool from terminal then doing a search for *.jpg :P
[03:23] <GrimRe> enter you garmin device's serial number
[03:23] <obf213> ff3
[03:23] <obf213> td123, ff3
[03:23] <Alfie> I need help installing a windows program with wine..........private plz
[03:23] <perlsyntax_> td123, i not sure how it will work with ubuntu
[03:23] <leo_> ello
[03:23] <td123> perlsyntax_: there should be instructions on the website, I don't have a serial number so I can't go along and help you :P
[03:23] <Shoopuf> Alfie: Try #winehq, that's the channel for Wine stuff. :)
[03:23] <td123> perlsyntax_: well what does it say you should do?
[03:23] <anteaya> Shoopuf, i don't know the gnome-search-tool thank you i will look for that
[03:24] <td123> obf213: did you do a full update of the system?
[03:24] <perlsyntax_> you have to buy it
[03:24] <td123> obf213: what I mean is do you have ff3rc2 or ff3
[03:24] <perlsyntax_> td123, i put my ss number in
[03:25] <td123> perlsyntax_: well if you have to buy the update then I can't do anything to help you
[03:25] <obf213> emm, it just says version 3.0
[03:25] <obf213> td123, i think its just ff3.
[03:26] <td123> obf213: type into the terminal "firefox --version" and paste what you get back
[03:26] <GrimRe> yes map updates are not free
[03:26] <Drk_Guy> Hi!
[03:26] <un_dave> could someone explain a regex expression to match any string that *doesnt* match "google.com" ?
[03:26] <Drk_Guy> Is it safe to enable backports?
[03:26] <nhaines> td123: Firefox 3.0rc2 *is* Firefox 3.0
[03:26] <obf213> td123, Mozilla Firefox 3.0, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
[03:26] <td123> nhaines: ?
[03:27] <obf213> it also doesn't ask me whether or not i want to save tabs, which is suspiscious.
[03:27] <td123> nhaines: oh, they never released a rc2 didn't they :)
[03:27] <td123> obf213: what flash player did you install?
[03:27] <nhaines> td123: They did, but when no showstopper bugs were found, they renamed it to 3.0 final.  That's the way release candidates are supposed to work anyhow.  ;)
[03:28] <obf213> td123, i don't know , regular flash?
[03:28] <td123> nhaines: didn't know that :)
[03:28] <nhaines> td123: so Firefox 3.0 RC1 and RC2 (and RC3 on the Mac) don't give rc version numbers.
[03:28] <Jordan_U> td123: They released an rc3 but it only contained changes on macs
[03:29] <Drk_Guy> Is it safe to enable backports?
[03:29] <joshman09> i have quick question
[03:29] <joshman09> i tried to install itunes via wine
[03:29] <joshman09> but it's stuck and cant close the window
[03:29] <Drk_Guy> !wine | joshman09
[03:30] <Drk_Guy> joshman09, You can use wineserver -k to kill all wine appz
[03:30] <td123> obf213: type "aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree" and does it say yes, next to installed?
[03:30] <Shoopuf> joshman09: Try #winehq, that's where the Wine experts hang out, maybe they can help. :)
[03:30] <GrimRe> does anyone know much about mdadm and how to install ubuntu server on an existing md device?
[03:30] <joshman09> any way to close like in windows?
[03:30] <joshman09> force close the windows?
[03:30] <Bodsda> joshman09, in a terminal type    man killall
[03:31] <obf213> State: installed
[03:31] <obf213> Automatically installed: yes
[03:31] <Bodsda> joshman09, or look for the  'force kill'  panel applet
[03:31] <nhaines> joshman09: For a program running through Wine, you want to open up a Terminal window and type "wineserver -k" to restart WINE.
[03:31] <Drk_Guy> joshman09, You can use wineserver -k to kill all wine appz
[03:31] <Drk_Guy> Is it safe to enable backports?
[03:31] <Bodsda> !backports | Drk_Guy -- yes:
[03:32] <odinriko> Is there a way in gnome to make the panels not show on a specific workspace?
[03:32] <Drk_Guy> Thanks Bodsda
[03:32] <Bodsda> Drk_Guy, no probs ;~)
[03:32] <td123> obf213: hmm... dunno, that plugin seems to be really stable along with ff3 (I haven't heard if it crashing once) try googleing it and include the website that is crashing it
[03:32] <obf213> any flash crashes the first time its open
[03:32] <Bodsda> odinriko, i dont think so, try asking in #gnome
[03:33] <odinriko> bodsda: thank you, will do
[03:33] <td123> obf213: you could try reinstalling ff3 and flash freshly and see if you're configuration is screwed up but other then that, dunno
[03:34] <td123> obf213: you could also just remove flash all together to stop making it crash
[03:34] <obf213> td123, quick question does your firefox ask you to save tabs.
[03:34] <obf213> you cant use internetz w/o flash
[03:34] <Bodsda> obf213, you can change settings in ff's preferences
[03:34] <td123> obf213: yes, I leave that since I sometimes say yes :)
[03:34] <Bodsda> obf213, yes you can, you just cant view things that use flash
[03:35] <Curtis> anyone have the rtl8187b?
[03:35] <bastid_raZor> the topbar of the gnome desktop.. how might i change the color of the font where it says applications places system?
[03:35] <obf213> Bodsda, yes which in todays day and age is internetz
[03:35] <rand0m> how do I get more options in my "add to panel" in gnome?  I want to have a tasklist with icons instead of tiles like in xfce
[03:35] <starn> does anyone know how to get sound to work in FireFox 3 [Ubuntu 8.04] in any formate.. Flash or others... i have the plugins and still does not work.
[03:36] <Curtis> starn: do you get sound when the computer turns on?
[03:36] <Bodsda> obf213, i assume internetz = The Internet   in which case, no, the internet is not run with flash.
[03:36] <obf213> hmm i am skeptical that i have ff3, it has never once given me the option to save tabs and its not in mu preferences
[03:36] <starn> Curtis: yes all my other programs have sound currently i got teamspeak runing with sound
[03:36] <obf213> Bodsda, im not saying the internet is run with flash. im saying there is so much flash content out there it would suck tonot have it
[03:36] <nhaines> Bodsda: he probably meant "internetz" = the World Wide Web.
[03:37] <wols> starn: start ff3 from a xterm then try again and check xterm output
[03:37] <Bodsda> obf213, many people disagree, there are CLI web browsers which definately dont rely on flash
[03:37] <joshman09> still unable to close the wine program that seems to be stuck
[03:37] <Bodsda> nhaines, yeah
[03:37] <joshman09> how can i force close it
[03:37] <td123> obf213, you can run update manager and press check to see if there are any updates for you but ff3 w/ adobe flash should be as stable as they get
[03:37] <Curtis> huh
[03:37] <tech0007> joshman09: killall wine
[03:37] <starn> Curtis: i dont even know what xterm is. i started useing linux [ubuntu] to learn to use it.
[03:38] <Bodsda> joshman09, you have been given many solutions, please try one or two of them
[03:38] <Curtis> have you tried to restart the computer?
[03:38] <starn> Curtis: me? i've done every thing i know of.
[03:38] <nhaines> Bodsda: That's not very helpful.  He said he was still unable to close it.  Presumably after trying wineserver -k
[03:38] <bullgard4> What is an 'about channel' as in ChanServ: "http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ is not on this network, which is why you're on an "about"  channel."
[03:39] <tech0007> joshman09: or ask #winehq
[03:39] <Bodsda> nhaines, like i said, he has been given many solutions, i can almost guarantee one of them works, if it doesnt he only has to restart x
[03:39] <Curtis> make sure that firefox does not have any updates
[03:39] <afallenhope> hey I get the followign error: Error connecting to ftp: Access denied: 530
[03:40] <joshman09> thanks guys
[03:40] <Bodsda> bullgard4, #freenode please, its not an ubuntu related issue
[03:40] <afallenhope> I'm using curlftps.. I tried it as a normal user as well as root
[03:40] <bullgard4> Bodsda: He Mr. policeman, I will not obey your order because your reasoning is wrong.
[03:41] <banisterfiend> hey guys, how do i get my printer working? it's a usb printer
[03:41] <wols> !printing | banisterfiend
[03:41] <nhaines> bullgard4: The reasoning is correct.  Freenode members will be able to give a better answer than Ubuntu members.
[03:41] <afallenhope> Sorry guys I looked up the error code.. innvalid password.
[03:42] <xantres> Hello, is this a place where an Ubuntu noob can seek help?
[03:42] <wols> xantres: yes
[03:42] <Bodsda> bullgard4, it was not an order, merely a suggestion to where you would find an answer to your problem. But it is not an Ubuntu issue, which is why i pointed you elsewhere for your answer
[03:42] <alraune> here
[03:42] <tech0007> !welcome | xantres
[03:42] <Phobos> anyone know how to get /etc/motd to show in a customized livecd?
[03:42] <krsnadasa> is there a way to see what hardware you have installed on your system so when you recompile your kernel you can select only those drivers?
[03:42] <wols> Bodsda: he has a history of asking OT questions
[03:42] <wols> krsnadasa: you can but why do you want to remove drivers from the kernel?
[03:42] <Bodsda> wols, cheers dude, il bear that in mind
[03:43] <krsnadasa> wols: no need if i am running it on a laptop so how do you check ?
[03:43] <starn> Curtis: i might of found my prob but i have all updates.
[03:43] <xantres> I am trying to get my dual monitors working, can anyone assist?
[03:43] <wols> krsnadasa: not true.
[03:43] <krsnadasa> wols: how so ?
[03:43] <wols> krsnadasa: lshw for example. you are also STRONGLY discouraged to compile your own kernel
[03:43] <smallfoot-> 2.6.26 will have support for UDF 2.50, please add support for 2.60
[03:43] <Curtis> stran: what is it?
[03:44] <starn> Curtis: ok i did all i knew to do.. i even ran firefox useing padsp.
[03:44] <krsnadasa> wols: i am not going to need b43 dirvers or realtek etc
[03:44] <wols> krsnadasa: it takes a few MB for modules and that all but you become a lot more flexible and your question shows you don't know much about kernels or compiling or such either which means there is a high failure of borking it
[03:44] <wols> erm, a high chance of borking it
[03:44] <cirkit> krsnadasa: You could always blacklist / unload modules from your kernel.
[03:44] <wols> krsnadasa: just don't ask here when your kernel breaks please
[03:44] <td123> xantres: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK
[03:45] <krsnadasa> wols: fine enough
[03:45] <cirkit> krsnadasa: Unless you have experience with kernel compiling and more than a basic understanding on how the Linux kernel works, do not compile your own it is very likely something will certainly go wrong.
[03:45] <td123> xantres: what I mean is install DisplayConfigGTK
[03:45] <nhaines> krsnadasa: Most drivers are compiled as kernel modules and are therefore not actually loaded unless you actually have the hardware.
[03:45] <krsnadasa> wols: the thing is i tried installing the newest compat drivers becuase the ubuntu ones are a lil falty for my iwl4956 and i get a module error thats why i want to compile a new kernel
[03:46] <cirkit> krsnadasa: As I said, for the modules you don't need, you can statically remove them from the kernel.
[03:46] <alraune> cirkit: what do you think of kernelcheck
[03:46] <wols> !tell krsnadasa about errors
[03:46] <krsnadasa> cirkit: ^^^
[03:46] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, you dont need to compile a kernel because a driver doesnt wor
[03:46] <krsnadasa> nhaines: ^^^
[03:46] <Bodsda> work*
[03:46] <nhaines> krsnadasa: You should only need to compile the iwl4956 drivers as a module.  It should not require recompiling the kernel.
[03:46] <LanUser> Hello - Hello - I enabled udev to keep my TV card IDs from changing and now X won't start properly, I goes full resolution temporarily but then goes black and ends in a low resolution mode
[03:47] <starn> Curtis: with xterm i get "** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1) and says same thing but with 2 (2)
[03:47] <xantres> td123: it states: "displayconfig-gtk will be accessed from the existing System > Preferences > Screen Resolution dialog, via an "Advanced..." button on that dialog." I do not have an advanced button on that dialog screen
[03:47] <wols> LanUser: udev is always enabled by default
[03:47] <cirkit> alraune: I've not used it.
[03:47] <wols> LanUser: you never enable it
[03:47] <krsnadasa> nhaines, Bodsda: i know but when i try to modprobe the driver i get a error: not right symbols or something and someone told me i don't have the right libs or kernel
[03:47] <krsnadasa> cirkit: ^^^
[03:47] <LanUser> wols: not on my recently installed 8.04 system it wasn't, at lest in rc2
[03:48] <wols> krsnadasa: where did you get that 4965 module exactly?
[03:48] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, fix the dependency errors then
[03:48] <nhaines> krsnadasa: you will have to compile the module specifically for your kernel, but you shouldn't need to do more than that.
[03:48] <krsnadasa> combat wireless
[03:48] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: how ?
[03:48] <wols> krsnadasa: and that is what?
[03:48] <cirkit> krsnadasa: By default, that module is included with the default Ubuntu kernel.
[03:48] <krsnadasa> wols: google
[03:48] <nhaines> Bodsda: It isn't a dependency error.  The binary modules are not compatible with her kernel.
[03:48] <td123> xantres: restart x  then? dunno
[03:48] <nhaines> cirkit: she said she needs a newer version.
[03:48] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, it said you dont have the right libs or kernel, -- go get them
[03:48] <unlink> If i click "Set..." in the dropdown from the clock applet, my entire session locks up, except for the authentication dialog that pops up. Which is a problem if it pops up behind another window.
[03:48] <wols> krsnadasa: exact error please
[03:48] <cirkit> nhaines: Interesting.
[03:48] <krsnadasa> cirkit: i told you its acting funky and other posts say to use compat wireless
[03:49] <unlink> Which application should i file this as a bug under?
[03:49] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: it dosent say that thats what some one told me
[03:49] <xantres> td123: I have restarted my pc several times while troubleshooting this issue, is there anything else you recommend, this is a new install
[03:49] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, we need error messages as wols said
[03:49] <speckal> I just installed 8.04 and restarted to boot for the first time.  Where the boot menu should be, there is a flashing cursor.  How can I fix?
[03:49] <unlink> gnome-panel? metacity? policykit-gnome?
[03:49] <krsnadasa> wols, Bodsda, cirkit: hold on a sec let me recompile that driver brb
[03:50] <pvl1> unlink, do u have compiz running?
[03:50] <Bodsda> !paste > krsnadasa
[03:50] <td123> xantres: hmmm, seems odd. are you sure you're looking in the right place
[03:50] <alraune> cirkit: I tried once and found it easy to use, but on the testmachine (PIII, 600MHZ, 256RAM)  it took hours, so I broke up then ; ?? is it right to think you get a kernel specialized for the machine you compile on ?
[03:51] <s3a> would ubuntu brainstorm be the right place to suggest a new feature for firefox?
[03:51] <xantres> td123: As far I am aware, there is only 1 System>preferences>Screen Resolution
[03:51] <cirkit> alraune: I can imagine it take a while on a P3. I've got Ubuntu on my laptop with a core2duo and 4GB RAM so I wouldn't suspect it take very long.
[03:51] <Bodsda> s3a, no
[03:51] <s3a> Bodsda: were would i suggest my idea then?
[03:51] <Bodsda> s3a, the firefox website probably
[03:51] <alraune> cirkit: is it right to think you get a kernel specialized for the machine you compile on ?
[03:52] <Bodsda> alraune, when you compile something, it is compiled for the kernel your machine is using
[03:52] <s3a> Bodsda: o lol that was kind of a ridiculous question i asked then
[03:52]  * Derander hates Postfix.
[03:52] <Bodsda> s3a, yeah ;~)
[03:52] <s3a> Bodsda: thx
[03:52] <cirkit> alraune: What Bodsda said.
[03:52] <Bodsda> s3a, your welcome ;~)
[03:53] <speckal> I just installed ubuntu 8.04 and restarted to boot for the first time.  Where the grub boot menu should be, there is a flashing cursor.  How can I fix?
[03:53] <krsnadasa> WARNING: "rfkill_force_state" [/usr/src/compat-wireless-2008-07-12/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlcore.ko] undefined!
[03:53] <pvl1> speckal, did u try to open anything else?
[03:53] <alraune> Bodsda,cirkit: but kernelcheck installs a whole new kernel
[03:53] <pvl1> speckal, also can u reboot from the terminal
[03:54] <speckal> pvl1:  open?  machine will not boot
[03:54] <Bodsda> alraune, sorry, i dont know what your question is, i just answered the compiling question
[03:54] <pvl1> speckal, oh. idk then, did u check the forums?
[03:54] <cirkit> alraune: I'll check it out as I have not used kernelcheck before. Maybe I'm too old school.
[03:54] <speckal> yes. been googling for an hour now
[03:55] <xantres> td123: Those screenshots near the bottom of the document mentioned do not look familiar
[03:55] <xantres> td123: is there a package I need to install for this to work?
[03:55] <td123> xantres: those could be how they might look like (i think those were developement docs)
[03:55] <Bodsda> speckal, have you tried reinstalling grub?
[03:55] <jachee> say I've got a list of about 5000 files that are spread out through a whole lot of directories throughout a hard disk (the list is brought to me by locate and pipes and sort) now I want to move those files to another place and have the directory structure replicated.  mv doesn't seem to be the tool for this, anyone have any insight?
[03:56] <td123> xantres... didn't you install displayconfiggtk?
[03:56] <phish> !iso
[03:56] <pvl1> speckal, do u have initscripts installed?
[03:56] <speckal> ?
[03:56] <xantres> td123: where can I find that in the add/remove menu, or shall I use the synaptic package manager?
[03:57] <krsnadasa> wols, Bodsda, cirkit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26991/ is the error
[03:57] <Shujah> xantres, menu>add remove
[03:57] <pvl1> speckal, in synaptic
[03:57] <td123> xantres: ahhh nvm, type "sudo displayconfig-gtk"
[03:57] <alraune> Bodsda: I asked if -when you compile a kernel on a machine instead of using an ready "all fitting" one, won't you then get a taller and kernel supporting the Hardware better ?
[03:57] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, have you tried doing what it says?
[03:57] <krsnadasa> wols, Bodsda, cirkit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26992/ is the dmsg
[03:57] <speckal> pvl1:  I cannot get there.  My machine will not boot
[03:58] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: what press dmsg ?
[03:58] <pvl1> speckal, does it get past grub?
[03:58] <td123> xantres: did that help?
[03:58] <Shoopuf> I've seen a Gnome Panel 'widget' before that contains system monitoring information... How do I get that?
[03:58] <Bodsda> alraune, only if you somehow manage to work out what all the drivers are for and somehow select the correct ones then maybe, in general its just way WAY to much hassle
[03:58] <bastid_raZor> the topbar of the gnome desktop.. how might i change the color of the font where it says applications places system?
[03:58] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, look at dmesg
[03:58] <speckal> pvl1:  no. that's where the flashing cursor appears... where grub should be
[03:58] <jachee> Shoopuf: right-click your panel, click Add to Panel, it's on the list
[03:58] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26992/ is the output
[03:58] <tech0007> Shoopuf: rightclick on panel then add to panel
[03:58] <pvl1> speckal, ah then its a grub problem. do u have the live cd?
[03:59] <Shoopuf> jachee, tech0007: Is there one for temperature?
[03:59] <Kefga_X_> My gateway laptop is working great on Ubuntu, except for one thing.  I have no control over brightness...  I've been googling for about 3 days, but still can't solve it, please help!
[03:59] <speckal> pvl1:  yes
[03:59] <Shoopuf> motherboard/vidia card
[03:59] <Shujah> Shoopuf, would be show computer frequency
[03:59] <tech0007> Shoopuf: just check the list
[03:59] <pvl1> speckal, so just use it to reinstall grub
[03:59] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, yeah, that just says your driver isnt compiled correctly ,.,. lol
[03:59] <krsnadasa> wols, cirkit: does that mean i have to recompile kernel ?
[03:59] <speckal> pvl1:  didn't work
[03:59] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: well how else do i compile it ?
[03:59] <pvl1> how did u reinstall it
[03:59] <offline> hi, on synaptic, there are packages with ubuntu icon on their side. what does it mean?
[03:59] <obf213> removing ubufox i think was the problem
[03:59] <speckal> pvl1:  same behavior with opensuse 11.0, ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 7.10
[03:59] <obf213> it was messing up stuff
[04:00] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, what process did u use to compile it?
[04:00] <starn> does anyone know why even with me runing firefox 3 under padsp and have my flash plugin and still does not have sound?i got the video just no sound all other programs have sound hope some one can help me.
[04:00] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: i did a make clean, make, make install, modprobe iwl4965
[04:00] <speckal> pvl1:  I have grub installed both in the boot partition header and in the drive's mbr
[04:00] <Shujah> starn, download libflashsupport from synaptic
[04:00] <Bodsda> !compile | krsnadasa
[04:00] <matelot> Hi is "devilspie" still required - if I want to set a default workspace for an app ?
[04:00] <pvl1> speckal, did u edit the menu.lst?
[04:00] <matelot> in 8.0.4
[04:00] <speckal> yeah
[04:00] <pvl1> matelot, if u have compiz, no
[04:00] <speckal> pvl1:  no. it looked fine to me
[04:00] <matelot> no not enabled
[04:01] <starn> Shujah: ok.. sec downloadings now.. i'll report back when done
[04:01] <nhaines> Bodsda: It doesnt really do much good to throw Ubottu tips at people randomly unless you know it will solve their problem.
[04:01] <pvl1> matelot, then use devilspie
[04:01] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: i read the readme and i followed all the directions so what else to do ?
[04:01] <nhaines> speckal: Current version of Ubuntu is 8.04.1
[04:01] <Bodsda> speckal, can u pastebin menu.lst and device.map please
[04:01] <Bodsda> nhaines, i know it is helpful, whats your point?
[04:01] <matelot> pvl1 Hardy/Gnome doesn't give that optioneh ?
[04:02] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, ./compile      make        sudo make install        is the correct compiling procedure i believe
[04:02] <pvl1> matelot, in synaptic
[04:02] <matelot> pvl1 I know
[04:02] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: which i did follow
[04:02] <nhaines> Bodsda: It's not helpful.  She just told you how she compiled it.  If you can't help her, please don't give her useless information.
[04:02] <matelot> Just want to make sure devilspie is still required to do that
[04:02] <pvl1> matelot, u cant find devilspie in there?
[04:02] <Bodsda> nhaines, if you cant be helpfull, stop talking
[04:02] <nhaines> krsnadasa: It sounds like you followed the correct steps (generically).  Have you installed the kernel headers.
[04:02] <speckal> Bodsda:  I don't know how if the machine isn't booting.  I can tell you that menu.lst is whatever ubuntu set it up for (2 HDs, raid-1 on a '/' part and on a swap part) completely unedited by me, and device.map is   (hd0) /dev/sda2  (hd1) /dev/sdb2
[04:02] <matelot> yes in synaptic
[04:02] <matelot> pvl1 yes in synap
[04:02] <nhaines> Bodsda: please try to be a little more constructive in channel.
[04:02] <starn> Shujah: wow sound.. and loud.. anyways um this well this help with any other sound issues i had? or is it every thing i tried useing has flashed?
[04:03]  * Derander hates stupid postfix
[04:03] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, you just said you did          make clean, make, make install, modprobe iwl4965
[04:03] <krsnadasa> nhaines: yes and yes i read the README in the driver sorce
[04:03] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: yea why ?
[04:03] <fent> is there a way to set up remote desktop to start as a service?
[04:03] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, can you pastebin the README please
[04:04] <pvl1> matelot, i think ur problem iare the repos
[04:04] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: sure one sec
[04:04] <alraune> fent: put in rc.local
[04:04] <Fezzler> can some help me fix my resolution?  it is too low 800x600?  Nvidia GeForce FX 5500 w/ 256m
[04:04] <Bodsda> nhaines, im being constructive, a little scrolling reveals im being more constructive then yourself, so get off my case
[04:04] <matelot> pvl1 I have no problem man
[04:04] <banisterfiend> how do i open up another desktop in gnome?
[04:04] <speckal> Bodsda, pvl1:  would the flashing cursor behavior be caused by no partition being marked active?
[04:04] <Kefga_X_> Does anyone know how to fix brightness control issues?
[04:04] <speckal> maybe I should check that
[04:04] <Shujah> starn, there is a bug where two apps can't use sound at the same time, it wont help there, though most problems are with pulseaudio you can always switch to alsa and check
[04:04] <matelot> pvl1 - devilspie IS in synaptic
[04:04] <tech0007> Fezzler: did u check the logs if ur using restricted driver?
[04:04] <pvl1> speckal, is there a partition flagged as boot
[04:04] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26994/
[04:04] <pvl1> matelot, ooo so whats wrong?
[04:04] <nhaines> Flannel: Bodsda: ignoring the steps that people have taken to resolve an issue on their own and giving them pointers to instructions that no longer apply is not helpful.
[04:05] <speckal> pvl1:  that's what I mean.  let me check that
[04:05] <nhaines>  Bodsda: ignoring the steps that people have taken to resolve an issue on their own and giving them pointers to instructions that no longer apply is not helpful.
[04:05] <krsnadasa> nhaines: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26994/ is the readme
[04:05] <nhaines> krsnadasa: Thank you.  I'll take a look at it now.
[04:05] <Fezzler> tech0007: How do I do that?  I'm a newbie.
[04:05] <Fezzler> tech0007: Is that a Terminal commands?
[04:05] <matelot> ’╗┐krsnadasa, my question is : is devilspie STILL required in Hardy to set def. workspace
[04:05] <Bodsda> nhaines, nice try, we can take this to #ubuntu-ops if you wont?
[04:05] <tech0007> Fezzler: system->administration->systemlogs...Xorg.0.log
[04:06] <matelot> ’╗┐krsnadasa:...the most current gnome....
[04:06] <starn> Shujah: well um currently i am runing programs all with sound.. but i had to use pulseaduio.. and use command padsp but anyways thank you for the help this place is nothing like tech support for windows.. never get the info i need.
[04:06] <nephlim> does anyone know of an app i can use to boot and check the drive for errors and fix them?
[04:06] <nhaines> Bodsda: If you think it is necessary, then I am happy to discuss it there.
[04:06] <krsnadasa> matelot: come again ?
[04:06] <pvl1> matelot, yes most likely
[04:06] <fent> i'm not sure what to paste into rc.local
[04:06] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, can you remove any of the bad files so we can try again from scratch
[04:06] <fent> i was using the remote desktop setup off of the system menu
[04:06] <Bodsda> nhaines, im not the one with the problem
[04:07] <pteeb> XGL and Compiz are two different packages with two different sets of desktop effects right?
[04:07] <alraune> nephlim : e2fsck
[04:07] <matelot> ’╗┐krsnadasa - My question is: Is devilspie STILL NEEDED  in the latest Hardy/Gnome to set default workspace
[04:07] <Fezzler> tech0007: I don't think so.
[04:07] <matelot> pvl1 - thanks
[04:07] <Shujah> starn, volunteers VS paid techs dude :P what are the other sound problems anyway?
[04:07] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: i did a make uninstall too but no good
[04:07] <pvl1> pteeb, nope compiz depends on xgl
[04:07] <nephlim> thanks alraune
[04:07] <pteeb> and beryl is now included in compiz right?
[04:07] <nhaines> Bodsda: I will meet you in that channel.
[04:08] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, ok, just make sure theres no left over files floating about, also, if its only a small driver, try redownloading it, then let me know when your ready
[04:08] <tech0007> Fezzler: open terminal then run this 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep nvidia'
[04:08] <Fezzler> tech0007: System>Admin>Hardware Drivers shows Nvidia not enabled.  Enable it?
[04:08] <Bodsda> nhaines, ok
[04:08] <alraune> fent: in rc.local you can put programms to be started automatically at bootup
[04:08] <tech0007> Fezzler: yes
[04:08] <nephlim> alraune, would that be on a standard resuce/boot cd?
[04:08] <pvl1> pteeb, compiz, is now compiz fusion which is beryl and compiz
[04:08] <krsnadasa> matelot: i don't use that tool but according to google and pkge info, yes
[04:08] <fent> yeah i'm not sure what the program is since it was a gui setup
[04:08] <matelot> krsnadasa - thanks
[04:08] <superlinux> HI ALL
[04:09] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: i have the tgz with me and tried that ;)
[04:09] <krsnadasa> matelot: no problem
[04:09] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, what kernel are you using?
[04:09] <ganymede> hello, on ubuntu, mplayer changes resolution when i fullscreen and i can cycle screen resolutions, but on other distros, fullscreening mplayer just fullscreens at whatever the current resolution is. how do i ask mplayer to not change the resolution on fullscreen?
[04:09] <pvl1> hello superlinux
[04:09] <s3a> im trying to learn python and this pdf book tells me to put the source of the app in the PATH environment, were is that?
[04:09] <alraune> nephlim : you can use the live cd, but also can boot to console and run then, see man e2fsck
[04:09] <Fezzler> tech0007: BRB - need to restart system.  okay?
[04:09] <Derander> echo ${PATH}
[04:09] <tech0007> Fezzler: yes
[04:09] <krsnadasa> 2.6.26-3
[04:10] <krsnadasa> generic*
[04:10] <superlinux> TO ALL ARABS WHO WANT TO LEARN DEBIAN FROM AN ARAB VOICE: SERACH FOR " superlinux " in videos.google.com
[04:10] <Bodsda> s3a, in a terminal type       echo $PATH
[04:10] <superlinux> pvl1: hi
[04:10] <Derander> export PATH=new/stuff:${PATH}
[04:10] <fent> alraune: is there a way to find out what program the remote desktop setup from the system menu runs?
[04:10] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, thats what it says if you type     uname -a     into a terminal?
[04:10] <krsnadasa> nhaines: any ideas ?
[04:11] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: yes
[04:11] <alraune> fent: how do you start manually ?
[04:11] <xocite> Derander: normally you want the $PATH first and the new path last
[04:11] <Derander> xocite: That works too.
[04:11] <fent> alraune: It starts when i login
[04:12] <nhaines> krsnadasa: as long as you have the right headers, it should proceed normally.
[04:12] <s3a> Bodsda: do i have to replace PATH with an actual path or i just type that?
[04:12] <alraune> fent: ?? diddnt you say that is what you wanted ?
[04:12] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, the only thing i can think of is trying with the *.*.22 kernel
[04:12] <krsnadasa> nhaines: yea i don't know what the problem is :(
[04:12] <Bodsda> s3a, just type that
[04:12] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: even though i am on a higher kernel ?
[04:13] <fent> alraune: no i want it to start when the pc starts so i can remote in without having to physically be at the box after a reboot
[04:13] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, yes, im not really certain, but if it works with an older kernel then you have isolated the problem
[04:13] <s3a> Bodsda: the book tells me that and it works but it's the commands after that that dont work for me
[04:13] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: how do i make it compile for the older headers?
[04:13] <s3a> Bodsda: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=857047&page=2
[04:13] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, you need to install an older kernel and then boot from that kernel at the grub loader
[04:14] <alraune> fent: can u find it under programms ?
[04:14] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: *shiver* i should just try to upgrade kernel and if that don't work then i will try an older kernel ;)
[04:14] <pvl1> speckal, is it flagged?
[04:14] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: thanks for you help anyway
[04:15] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, your welcome
[04:15] <fent> alraune: no its not listed in the applications menu.  It is built into the the system menu under preferences.
[04:16] <alraune> what happens if u type remotedesk in terminal ?
[04:17] <darthanubis> how do I kill an "uninterruptable" process without rebooting or killing the desktop?
[04:17] <darthanubis> totem is locked, and eating resource
[04:17] <pvl1> darthanubis, sudo killall <process>
[04:17] <darthanubis> is totem good for anything?
[04:17] <alraune> darthanubis: killall  i.e. firefox
[04:18] <darthanubis> pv1 I tried the obvious
[04:18] <pvl1> darthanubis, playing videos and songs i guess
[04:18] <darthanubis> the normal methods have not worked
[04:18] <Pithecanthropus> hello all
[04:18] <darthanubis> hence my asking
[04:18] <darthanubis> I'm not a noob
[04:19] <pvl1> darthanubis, sorry idk, look into htop is all i can recommened, its like a task manager
[04:19] <darthanubis> done that
[04:19] <ubunub1> what can I do to change the load order of the services under the splash screen on bootup?
[04:19] <alraune> fent: what happens if u type remotedesk in terminal ?
[04:19] <pvl1> darthanubis, o well then idk
[04:19] <Pithecanthropus> I was wondering if any of you guys could help me out with something
[04:19] <darthanubis> thx for your honesty
[04:19] <tech0007> !ask | Pithecanthropus
[04:19] <fent> ok one sec
[04:20] <pvl1> ubunub1, system-pref- sessions
[04:20] <Pithecanthropus> ok
[04:20] <fent> alraune: command not found
[04:20] <simtower> hi, i have a machine here which has obviously not crashed, but will not respond to most keyboard/mouse input including control-alt-backspace or control-alt-f1 f2 etc. anything else I can try?
[04:20] <ubunub1> pvl1: that only changes stuff launched in gnome. i need to change the services order during boot
[04:20] <pvl1> ubunub1, then in the current session tab change the numbers
[04:21] <pvl1> ubunub1, oh, no idea
[04:21] <tech0007> simtower: alt-sysrq RESIUB
[04:21] <Fezzler> tech0007: Nvidia enabled.  Still res. 800x600. Ubuntu keeps asking for restart
[04:21] <pteeb> i want more fancy effects, i have compiz-fusion 0.7.4 installed. any other packages?
[04:21] <tech0007> Fezzler: try system->preferences->screen resolution
[04:21] <Pithecanthropus> I'm about to install Ubuntu (Ubuntu Studio, actually) on an AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Socket 949 pc, with 1gb ddr 400 (2.5 cas latency), 160gb sata2 drive, on a chaintech vnf4 ultra mobo and a gigabyte geforce 6600GT 128mb ddr3 video board: what should I install, i386 or amd64?
[04:22] <pvl1> pteeb, get the compiz settings manager, there are a lot more effects in compiz then u think
[04:22] <nhaines> pteeb: compiz-fusion-manager
[04:22] <Pithecanthropus> (i have both versions copied to cd/dvd, for both ubuntu and ubustu)
[04:22] <Fezzler> tech0007: 800x600 or 600x480 only choices
[04:22] <simtower> tech0007:i pushed alt and the PrtSc/SysRq button but nothing happened, is that what you meant? (fwiw its worth i can get it to go to sleep with Fn+F4)
[04:22] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, amd64
[04:22] <Shujah> Fezzler, first restart
[04:22] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: I always reccomend 32-bit unless there's some good reason to use 64-bit.
[04:23] <pvl1> nhaines, a athalon 64 processor should be a reason
[04:23] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: good reasons include: scientific software, intense mathematical processing, more than 4GB RAM on the system, like to play with 64bit stuff...
[04:23] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1 - really? just flat out like that, amd64? no incompatibility problems or anything with website viewing (flash video playback, for example)?
[04:23] <alraune> fent: I have no experience with remote_desk applet; I would install VNC on both machines, which can be staretd via command line or rc.local
[04:24] <tech0007> simtower: you press alt-sysrq + letter (R E S I U B) in that sequence w/ brief pause in between...the last (B) will reboot ur machine
[04:24] <Pithecanthropus> I currently have 1gb on it, probably max it out at 2 or 4 tops in the future. It currently runs winXP.
[04:24] <Fezzler> tech0007: okay, restarted complete
[04:24] <simtower> tech0007: is that a safe reboot or just a reset?
[04:24] <smallfoot-> R E S I U B = Raising Elephants ???? Is Utterly Boring
[04:24] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, amd 64 is a 64 bit architecture hence the name
[04:24] <Shujah> Pithecanthropus, make swap of 2 gb when you do install ubunstu
[04:24] <Fezzler> tech0007: Nope. asking for restart again
[04:24] <tech0007> simtower: safe reboot
[04:25] <Animemachine13> Erm
[04:25] <fent> ok
[04:25] <fent> thanks
[04:25] <Pithecanthropus> do I set the swap from the installer itself, or after installation, ├Ī la windows?
[04:25] <tech0007> Fezzler: better follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:25] <Fezzler> tech0007: the two rounded blue arrows at upper right
[04:25] <simtower> thanks tech0007, although something weird happened after the first R
[04:25] <nadu> hi guys i just installed 8.04 and i need to install java...which pakcage to i select
[04:25] <Animemachine13> I'm looking to format one of my NTFS drives to a EXT3 format, can anyone help?
[04:25] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, unless im totally wrong. do some research to be sure
[04:25] <Pithecanthropus> will amd64 version be faster or any better than i386?
[04:25] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, how much ram u got?
[04:25] <nadu> there are so many...java1,java2,java 5,6
[04:25] <Shujah> Fezzler, when you go to menu > system > admin > hardware drivers is the nvidia card selected?
[04:25] <Pithecanthropus> 1gb
[04:26] <alraune> Animemachine13 : yes
[04:26] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: i'd go for x86 if i were you
[04:26] <nadu> which java package do i install for ubuntu if i just want to view java on the web and such
[04:26] <Pithecanthropus> my only experiences with 64bit OS's are vista 64 on an 8gb ram system and mac os x... on whatever.
[04:26] <nadu> ??
[04:26] <Shujah> nadu, jdk is reinstalled, and it works most of the time - for bank transactions its better to get sun java
[04:26] <pvl1> tech0007, theyre synonymous
[04:27] <simtower> thanks again tech0007, i didn't know about this alt+sysrq trick
[04:27] <tech0007> pvl1: what?
[04:27] <Shujah> *preinstalled *
[04:27] <CaptainMorgan> !cups
[04:27] <nadu> Shujah: do i get sunjava-j2sdk1.5?
[04:27] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: 64bit can be slightly slower in some cases, but most people don't really see much of a difference.
[04:27] <tech0007> simtower: np
[04:27] <VvWolverinevV> hi, can anyone tell me why there are three commas next to my name every time ubuntu asks for an admin password?
[04:28] <Shujah> nadu, from terminal > sudo apt-get install --reinstall -y sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[04:28] <Pithecanthropus> ok.. so with 1 or 2gb ram, the amd64 version isn't really going to aid in getting the "most" out of my system then, right?
[04:28] <nadu> ty
[04:28] <pvl1> tech0007, o nvm now im confused
[04:29] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: yup
[04:29] <nadu> Shujah: if you dont mind me asking...what does the '-y' option do and what does jre stand for
[04:29] <bliZZardz> got Hardy installed - and it simply rocks :)
[04:29] <pvl1> tech0007, although i do agree with u
[04:29] <nadu> bliZZardz: is hardy 8.04?
[04:30] <bliZZardz> nadu L yea
[04:30] <bliZZardz> Nadu : yes
[04:30] <Shaba1> I think so nadu
[04:30] <nadu> bliZZardz: ya thats what i just installed
[04:30] <Pithecanthropus> is amd64 more secure or stable? or are x86 an x64 the same?
[04:30] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, take that back go with what tech0007 said, but if u have a lot of ram, more than a gig u should really need a lot of swap at all
[04:30] <Shaba1> Either that or "Hoary"
[04:30] <nadu> bliZZardz: its way b etter than 7.04 was
[04:30] <bliZZardz> nadu : i had to upgrade from feisty and tonnes of probs.
[04:30] <bliZZardz> nadu : didnt go via gutsy - just removed feisty
[04:30] <Shujah> jre - java runtime environment I guess
[04:30] <nadu> bliZZardz: nice...ya i just put in my hard drive and it said the last time i logged into 7.04 was 270 days ago
[04:30] <bliZZardz> nahu : how did you do it?? update via the net?
[04:30] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: Probably not.  :)  x64 can do larger math at once, but of course it means that programs use more memory and can sometimes take longer.
[04:31] <nadu> bliZZardz: ya i did the same i formatted and got a new cd
[04:31] <bliZZardz> nadu: cool
[04:31] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: security doesnt depend on arch x86 or 64bit,,,its more than that
[04:31] <nadu> bliZZardz: i am loving it...what irc client are you using?
[04:31] <pteeb> xchat fo lyfe
[04:31] <bliZZardz> nadu: pidgin
[04:31] <nhaines> haha, irssi here!
[04:31] <nadu> bliZZardz: oh i didnt know pidgin can do irc
[04:31] <nadu> konversation here
[04:31] <nadu> lol
[04:31] <nadu> i like the mirc feel
[04:31] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1 and tech0007: swap file and ram - how and when do I set that up? Is this swap file a similar asset as it is in Windows?
[04:31] <bliZZardz> nadu : create an account and thats it
[04:31] <nhaines> nadu: pidgin makes me dizzy in this channel but it can be nice for quieter channels.  :)
[04:32] <xantres> td123: uhh, I think I messed up, is there a way to reset the displayconfig-gtk?
[04:32] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: set swap to 1.5X of ram or max of 2Gb
[04:32] <Commie_Jebus> konversation is ok I just wish there was gonversation ;)
[04:32] <bliZZardz> nhaines : wats the prob with pidgin?
[04:32] <nadu> ah ic
[04:32] <nadu> Commie_Jebus: lol ya
[04:32] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: its page file in windows (i think)
[04:32] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, swap is usefull if u have low ram, its like the pagefile in XP. if i were you id just do it all at once, the installed has its own partitioner, but if ur dualbooting u might need to do it by hand
[04:33] <bliZZardz> how do i increase the screen brightness?
[04:33] <nhaines> bliZZardz: nothing at all!  I just prefer more conventional interfaces for IRC, especially for busy channels.  But I don't mind it a bit for quieter ones.
[04:33] <naudiz> ubuntu sucks slackware, FreeBSD and NetBSD are the anti-buntu -- ubuntu is an ancient African phrase meaning "I can't configure slackware"
[04:33] <xantres> is td123 here?
[04:33] <Commie_Jebus> how do I use a movie as my wallpaper
[04:33] <Pithecanthropus> tech0007: and if I were to up my ram in the future to 2gb or 4gb, should I increase it as well? is 1gb of ram low for ubuntu? - I thought it would be allright.
[04:33] <pvl1> tech0007, quote from wikipedia: Despite being natively 64-bit, the AMD64 architecture is backward-compatible with 32-bit x86 instructions. -- does that mean it can do both?
[04:34] <nadu> hey guys how come i cant get unipeak.com to work in 8.04
[04:34] <nhaines> I remember trying to install Slackware from a boot floppy and a root floppy back in 1995.  Good times.  :)
[04:34] <Commie_Jebus> X64 isnt worth it...
[04:34] <xantres> Does anyone know how to reset the displayconfig-gtk?
[04:34] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: for the moment I am dualbooting this box... but as soon as I fall in love with linux and not my expectations of it (which I know I will), I'm killing windows in this pc.
[04:34] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: u jst waste your harddisk space if u've got more than 2GB of swap
[04:34] <Shujah> xantres, whats the problem?
[04:35] <Commie_Jebus> tech0007: I like 3g\
[04:35] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: amd64 can run 32bit apps. For example, winxp is 32bit, and that's currently the OS I'm using.
[04:35] <tech0007> pvl1: not really sure
[04:35] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, well dont jump to conclusions, there may be a need, just shorten the partition
[04:35] <trakinas> has anyone here used jabbin? i get handshake error
[04:35] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: right
[04:35] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: by amd64 I mean my processor, not the ubuntu versions.
[04:36] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, figured look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856485
[04:36] <Commie_Jebus> Pithecanthropus: why are you on windows?
[04:36] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, i know
[04:36] <rand0m> anyone know how to get google earth working ? (plz dont just google my question and copy paste the answer because i followed instructions in the first five links and failed )
[04:36] <bliZZardz> i had compiz on feisty which had some good effects - like cube etc while shuffling across workspaces - how do i enable it in Hardy?
[04:36] <pvl1> bliZZardz, it should be the same way
[04:36] <xantres> Shujah: well I was trying to configure my 2 Samsung 2253bw widescreen monitors to join together, but I it kept messing up, now it won't do anything now.
[04:37] <bliZZardz> pvl1 : but it aint - am getting the effects only for dragging windows
[04:37] <s3a> pvl1: if ur talking about processor, ya the amds can run 32 bit perfectly
[04:37] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: guess what... i found another error but this time half way through compiling the kernel so i think i might just be missing a library...
[04:37] <Shujah> xantres, so you are in terminal at the moment?
[04:37] <Pithecanthropus> Commie_Jebus: because this is going to be my first succesful (or so I hope) linux install ever... I've always used windows, and vista64 on another pc I use as a workstation
[04:37] <xantres> Shujah: I am stuck with only 1 monitor working at 800x600
[04:37] <pvl1> bliZZardz, getting the compiz settings manager (it might be named differently)
[04:37] <xantres> Shujah: I have it open now, ys
[04:37] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, does it give you a single dependency?
[04:37] <Pithecanthropus> Commie_Jebus: This is going to be my personal learning/hobbie pc.
[04:37] <tech0007> !dualboot > Pithecanthropus
[04:37] <Commie_Jebus> Pithecanthropus: just use a live cd :)
[04:38] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: no
[04:38] <trakinas> !jabbin
[04:38] <Shujah> xantres you have nvidia?
[04:38] <trakinas> !gtalk
[04:38] <pvl1> s3a, yea i got that but then are 64bit processors supposed to use the 64 bit arch?
[04:38] <Pithecanthropus> Commie_Jebus: Ubuntu Studio only comes in alternate installs.
[04:38] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, pastebin the error, lets see if its helpfull
[04:38] <xantres> Shujah: I have ATI
[04:38] <s3a> pvl1: no performance is lost using 32 bit but when using amd, alot is gained with 64 bit (i think 30% processing speed increase)
[04:38] <bliZZardz> how do i increase screen brightness?
[04:38] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: you know, you can always use the Desktop CD to install Ubuntu without partitioning.  It's not exactly as fast but maybe you could try 32-bit and 64-bit Ubuntu that way before you go and repartition.
[04:39] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26998/
[04:39] <s3a> pvl1: my statistics are not exact
[04:39] <Shujah> xantres, so have you checked if in hardware drivers ati is selected?
[04:39] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: don't u love errors that don't help LOL
[04:39] <evilkry> possible to ssh from osx terminal into ubuntu and run X?
[04:39] <pvl1> s3a, well i understandthat apps that take advantage of the arch are supposed to like run much better, specially for like movie/image editing and such
[04:40] <s3a> pvl1: so wats ur problem/question exactly?
[04:40] <bliZZardz> ’╗┐Pithecanthropus: just installed hardy from the cd - removed all partitions and installed it - it is a charm
[04:40] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, actually the error is quite helpfull, it tells us that its not your fault, the programmers have made a mistake, im not a c programmer and dont know how to fix files like that im afraid, id suggest trying to get the driver from somewhere else
[04:40] <rand0m> how do I install google earth in ubuntu ?
[04:40] <Pithecanthropus> hmm
[04:40] <xantres> Shujah: well when I go into ATI drivers, I choose radeon, but there are 4 selections, fgdev, fglrx, vesa, and plain radeon
[04:40] <Pithecanthropus> tech0007: I can only dual-boot if both ubuntu and winxp are on drive C?
[04:40] <pvl1> s3a, not a problem, im just trying to understand which like verusion of ubuntu should be installed on an amd 64, my computer is fine
[04:40] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: that was the kernel error ( i was compiling the kernel) ;)
[04:41] <Pithecanthropus> tech0007: thanks for the link. I was planning on installing ubuntu on another drive, drive D:
[04:41] <s3a> pvl1: how much ram do u have?
[04:41] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, hhmm, not sure then, theres definately errors
[04:41] <xantres> Shujah: sorry, fbdev, not fgdev
[04:41] <krsnadasa> lol
[04:41] <Shujah> xantres, try fglrx
[04:41] <pvl1> s3a,  well its not meits about Pithecanthropus. i think he or she has 1 gig
[04:41] <Pithecanthropus> tech0007: drive d: is a 100gb partition of full free space I had set out for ubuntu. Drive C only contains my xp system.
[04:41] <pvl1> *its about
[04:41] <xantres> shujah: okay, open source or proprietary?
[04:42] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: you can install Ubuntu on different physical drives and still dual-boot.
[04:42] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: i am sure i am  missing some kind of package for building source.. but what ?
[04:42] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, if u already partition then just leave it.  and install ubuntu on that partition, it should do the swap for u but u can later change it as u wish
[04:42] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, youve installed build-essential and gcc+?
[04:42] <s3a> pvl1: with min 1 gb, u should go for 64 bit with a 1.5 gb swap but emulating 32 bit xp or vista will be kinda slow
[04:42] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, hence linux is awesome, u can change everything
[04:42] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: yea
[04:42] <rand0m> plz to install google earth ?
[04:43] <joshman09> anybody know the channel for vmware?
[04:43] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: my advice is to delete your D: partition and just leave it blank.  Ubuntu will configure and partition the blank space for you.
[04:43] <Pici> !googleearth | rand0m
[04:43] <tung> rand0m: http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html
[04:43] <nck> my wifi led blinking after installing the lastest ndiswrapper , is that normal sign?
[04:43] <s3a> pvl1: i use 64 bit and i love seeing things pop faster than 32 bit and im using intel! amd has greater 64 benefits
[04:43] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, not sure im afraid, sorry
[04:43] <rand0m> Pici, tung.. thanks, i found that.. what do I do with the .bin though ?
[04:43] <Shujah> xantres, proprietary
[04:43] <krsnadasa> Bodsda: no problem and thanks
[04:43] <Pithecanthropus> s3a: how much ram do you have?
[04:44] <Bodsda> krsnadasa, your welcome
[04:44] <Shujah> xantres, did you update from 7.10?
[04:44] <Candol> I need help with the advanced Desktop manager can someone help me?
[04:44] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: exactly 1 gb
[04:44] <pvl1> s3a, now im confused. ok i have a intel duo quad, my ubuntu was set up using the x86 architecture. Pithecanthropus has an amd 64, should he install the 64 bit?
[04:44] <pvl1> Candol, whats up?
[04:44] <tung> rand0m:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=295673
[04:45] <nhaines> pvl1: it is completely a matter of choice, and either will work well.
[04:45] <Pithecanthropus> s3a and all: I run vista64 on an Intel c2q processor and, although I know it is leaps ahead of this athlon, I cant help but feel the x64 system so much faster, more stable, and more capable than any other 32bit experience I've had.
[04:45] <tung> rand0m: hope this help
[04:45] <pvl1> nhaines, for a 64 bit, right? but what about for a intel quad, which is more effecient or better?
[04:45] <Pithecanthropus> s3a and all: that was why I was doubting the x64 or x86 install on this pc.. but this pc is very much slower than my vista64 bit pc.. so...
[04:46] <Candol> I can not see my desktop icons after enabling the multiple backgrounds.
[04:46] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: wait i dont get how its slower? ubuntu should be faster than vista
[04:46] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: intel c2q is a 64bit processor as well.
[04:46] <s3a> pvl1: a 64 bit cpu with min 1 gb should use 64 bit in my opinion
[04:46] <nhaines> pvl1: It was my understanding that Intel's 64-bit processors were not as efficient but as I stick with AMD processors lately I couldn't really say.
[04:46] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, c2q?
[04:46] <Commie_Jebus> Pithecanthropus: what the hell is c2q?
[04:47] <Pici> Commie_Jebus: Core 2 quad
[04:47] <pvl1> s3a, well is an amd64 a 64 bit arch?
[04:47] <Pithecanthropus> s3a: other box is a vista64 install on 1tb hdd, c2q and 8gb ram
[04:47] <rand0m> tung, thank you
[04:47] <s3a> nhaines: they are not as efficient however, in the end intel wins barely bcuz of its actual faster speed
[04:47] <bliZZardz> the windows are getting greyed out after having installed Hardy(esp firefox) -- bug with firefox3 - beta?
[04:47] <nhaines> s3a: that may be.  :)
[04:47] <Pithecanthropus> s3a: this box is single core athlon 64 4000+ 1gb ram
[04:47] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: i have a 3 ghz intel single core pentium 4 with 1 gb ram which is weaker than ur comp and it flies
[04:48] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: c2q = core 2 quad
[04:48] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: u can do either i386 or amd64
[04:48] <nhaines> bliZZardz: make sure you upgrade your kernel and Firefox!  But the kernel should be the most help.  Download the Ubuntu 8.04.1 ISOs for future installs, which will solve this problem as well.
[04:48] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, yea i read that. thanks tho
[04:48] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: do 64 bit
[04:48] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: u can also use live cd to test if u dont believe me
[04:48] <pvl1> s3a, so i have a c2q, do u recommend i change?
[04:48] <Candol> pvl1, I can not view my desktop icons after enabling the cube and multiple desktop icons
[04:49] <Commie_Jebus> I have a 64 but i use 32...
[04:49] <pvl1> Candol, multiple desktop icons?
[04:49] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: If I were to install ubuntu studio on my c2q with 8gb ram, I would go 64 bit, as I did with the vista install.
[04:49] <s3a> pvl1: ofcourse, i have a weak ass comp compared to u ppl and like i said 64 bit makes my comp even faster however note that it uses more ram therefore prepare to have some swap
[04:50] <xantres> shujah: okay, now I have the two displays working, but my main(left) when I move my mouse around the screen has to scroll vertically and horizontally
[04:50] <Pithecanthropus> s3a: so I should get more ram for a faster 64 bit ubuntu on this pc then.
[04:50] <s3a> pvl1: with 1 gb there shouldnt be much access on swap, so u should usually have a faster system
[04:50] <pvl1> s3a, Pithecanthropus i have 3 gigs ram, that enof?
[04:50] <bliZZardz> 230 updates!! how much time would it take approx?
[04:50] <s3a> pvl1: defenitely
[04:50] <xantres> Shujah: to view the whole screen
[04:50] <nhaines> bliZZardz: you can upgrade just the kernel for a big boost.
[04:50] <pvl1> s3a, so u think i should switch to the 64 bit?
[04:50] <magic_ninja> how do i show the active users on my box
[04:50] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: nono, i just mean if u happen to reach ur limit, ull be on swap but 1 gb is enuf to not be super swap dependent, in the end ur comp is faster
[04:50] <bliZZardz> ’╗┐nhaines: as in?how do i do it?
[04:51] <Candol> pvl1,  I started using the cube.  I went into gconf-editor and unchecked the "show desktop" to enable multiple background images for each desktop. Now I do not have any of my shortcuts on the desktop.
[04:51] <Pithecanthropus> all: lol, I feel I've touched an undecided topic with my doubts.
[04:51] <nhaines> bliZZardz: If you already have Ubuntu installed, simply use the Update Manager to download and install the updates.
[04:51] <krsnadasa> any one know what this error means ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/26998/
[04:51] <Candol> pvl1, and I can not add any shortcuts.
[04:51] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
[04:51] <bliZZardz> nhaines : update manager shows 230 updates - hence am asking
[04:52] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: its old but it still applies
[04:52] <nhaines> bliZZardz: I don't understand your question.  You should install all those updates.  Especially the security updates.
[04:52] <nhaines> bliZZardz: Do you mean you want to just install certain updates?
[04:52] <xantres> Does anyone know where I can get more monitor drivers, specifically for Samsung 2253bw?
[04:52] <trakinas> krsnadasa: compiling kernel in ubuntu is a pain in the *
[04:52] <trakinas> :/
[04:52] <pvl1> Candol, do "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"
[04:52] <Pithecanthropus> tech0007: AAAAAH. THANKS. I'll read up, be back in a bit.
[04:52] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: depends. Do you do video editing or heavy computing stuff on your box?
[04:52] <tech0007> Pithecanthropus: np
[04:52] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i can tell lol, i wonder if i should just jump onto debian ?
[04:53] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: because if you don't, and you only use 32bit apps, then I wouldn't know if it was worth it.
[04:53] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, well i have edited movies on my xp boot (dont yell at me) and i do program a bit
[04:53] <bliZZardz> ’╗┐nhaines: there are 230 updates listed - which amounts to 200+MB - am sure this would take a minimum of 1 hour.Can i just install the security updates as of now? and install the the "recommended updates" later?
[04:53] <trakinas> krsnadasa: if you want to compile kernel and stuffs, yes. maybe even into gentoo.
[04:53] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: on my behald I want to use ubuntu studio to help me coax the most out of an old system, intended for media creation and general computer learning
[04:53] <magic_ninja> i have a real problem
[04:53] <Candol> pvl1, I have that
[04:53] <krsnadasa> trakinas: *shiver* gentoo *shiver*
[04:54] <Candol> pvl1, that is what i used to set up the cube
[04:54] <magic_ninja> for some reason it shows two users logged in, but i only have one
[04:54] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: I already dished out a lot of cash on my workstation (with vista64), so I'm not going to invest much more on this athlon...
[04:54] <dallas> hi
[04:54] <magic_ninja> and it doesn't show who the other user logged in is
[04:54] <Candol> pvl1, I think I know what I did
[04:54] <trakinas> krsnadasa: shiver?
[04:54] <s3a> Pithecanthropus: pvl1: cinelerra (linux video editor) is ideal for 64 bit
[04:54] <pvl1> Candol, ok so use that for settings, but what setting did u set up when this changed and y
[04:54] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: BUT, on the workstation (with a core 2 quad), I did go for 64 bit.
[04:54] <nhaines> bliZZardz: yes, you could.
[04:54] <tech0007> magic_ninja: 'who' on terminal
[04:54] <nhaines> bliZZardz: Right-click on the updates list and say "uncheck all"
[04:54] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i remember when it first came out i just never like it
[04:54] <bliZZardz> nhaines : yo. am doing it
[04:54] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, y? will it run better?
[04:55] <dallas> anyone know how to get java runing right on ubuntu?
[04:55] <nhaines> bliZZardz: then just check the security updates.  :)  But it's the kernel that'll improve performance.
[04:55] <trakinas> krsnadasa: gentoo is really different from when it started. much more easier.
[04:55] <pvl1> dallas, y isnt it runnign right currently?
[04:55] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: I won't yell at you. People will yell at me for saying I love vista64 ultimate... because I do, frankly.
[04:55] <magic_ninja> tech0007, for some reason the 2nd user hides from "who"
[04:55] <tech0007> !java | dallas:
[04:55] <bliZZardz> nahines : am not sure what do you mean by 'kernel'  here!! how do i choose just the ketnel updates alone?
[04:55] <trakinas> there are 2 distros i love the most: debian and gentoo (they are on alphabetical order)
[04:55] <Candol> pvl1, I was going by this http://tutorialninjas.net/2008/05/09/multiple-desktop-backgrounds/
[04:55] <bliZZardz> *kernel
[04:55] <dallas> awesome
[04:56] <dallas> think thats what i need
[04:56] <tech0007> magic_ninja: not showing the userid of the 2nd user?
[04:56] <IceDingo> you can go to java.com and it has a linux version
[04:56] <Flynsarmy> Gah, flash player got even LESS stable with that last update. it not only still occasionally crashes firefox, it now has thousands of tiny white boxes everywhere and makes xorg use up 100% cpu on some swf's
[04:56] <magic_ninja> tech0007, yes
[04:56] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i am a debian guy, but because of the fuss and me coming back to linux after 6 yrs i figured why not try ubuntu its based on debian
[04:56] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: well, I went for 64 bit to be able to do more stuff at a time and to allow the quad core processor to do it's work, without an os bottleneck, using all 8gb's of ram, for video and graphic rendering
[04:56] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, eh i wont judge u, it looks nice. but im now very confused as to the difference. i thought i386 and 64bit were completly different processosr
[04:56] <nhaines> bliZZardz: Go down in the recommended updates list and find the 'linux-image' updates
[04:56] <dallas> tired that icedingo
[04:56] <dallas> but thanks anyway
[04:56] <dallas> brb
[04:56] <IceDingo> ok
[04:56] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, well my point in programming is to learn 3d programming
[04:56] <IceDingo> how big is the update from 7.10 to 8.04?
[04:57] <nhaines> krsnadasa: it's really good to have you, and I'm sorry to say that compiling kernel modules is the one thing that hasn't improved.  ;)
[04:57] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: what are you using? python and blender?
[04:57] <bliZZardz> nahines : nothing like that . I can see 'distribution updates'
[04:57] <nhaines> IceDingo: about 800MB, usually.
[04:57] <IceDingo> ok
[04:57] <IceDingo> thanks
[04:57] <s3a> is the ubuntu kernel 100% free when u choose free software only mode on boot of live cd?
[04:57] <tech0007> magic_ninja: on which pts? and display?
[04:57] <nhaines> s3a: yes.
[04:57] <trakinas> krsnadasa: oh yes! my first distro was debian. i was going to use kurumin (based on debian) but a friend told me to use debian.
[04:57] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, learning c++ and i still havent chosen if ima go straight into opengl or use an engine and which engine (more likely) but id wanna implement python or ruby for the game logic
[04:57] <krsnadasa> nhaines: lol thanks
[04:57] <s3a> nhaines: and wen u dont choose that mode, ur kernel is not 100% free?
[04:57] <trakinas> s3a: linux kernel are always free.
[04:58] <magic_ninja> tech0007, shows the pts and the x serve display on tty7 but not the other "mystery user"
[04:58] <bliZZardz> ’╗┐nhaines: let me go ahead and install the 67+mb and then see. hope the restricted modules doesnt break the X - it has done this to me umpteen number of times.
[04:58] <bliZZardz> :(
[04:58] <s3a> nhaines: not as in price
[04:58] <s3a> nhaines: i meant like no proprietary wireless card drivers in my kernel, right? (i chose free software only option)
[04:58] <nhaines> s3a: I understand.  :)  If you don't choose that mode, there are one of a couple of non-free hardware drivers that might be installed, only if you have them.
[04:58] <bliZZardz> presently Hardy looks really neat - praying to god that X doesnt break!
[04:58] <nhaines> s3a: But yes, if you chose free-software only, it should be "pure".
[04:59] <Shujah> EXIT
[04:59] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: well, I don't know much about c++ or python, but that's what I want to get into as well in the future. I wouldn't know about the requirements or processor usage of both for learning purposes yet
[04:59] <Shujah> exit
[04:59] <trakinas> Shujah: /exit
[04:59] <Shujah> .exit
[04:59] <s3a> nhaines: :D, i asked bcuz i dint feel an impact or anything in the actual install, developpers should make it so that the install says free software only mode during the installation setup
[04:59] <krsnadasa> lol
[04:59] <bliZZardz> ’╗┐Pithecanthropus: pvl1: what is the conversation abt? (i see c++ and python :D )
[04:59] <s3a> nhaines: just an idea
[04:59] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, hm. for now ill stick with this and research.
[04:59] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: but I do know about editing video and working with After Effects, Fusion, Combustion, 3dStudio Max, Cinema 4d
[04:59] <pvl1> bliZZardz, uhm uses for 64bit
[04:59] <trakinas> krsnadasa: hehe
[04:59] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, thats all video card
[05:00] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: Cakewalk Sonar, Reason, ProTools and all Adobe and Macromedia
[05:00] <nhaines> s3a: The non-free stuff is extremely minimal.  But if you need it, you need it.  :)
[05:00] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, no idea what that is
[05:00] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: and for them... the 64bit OS is amazing.
[05:00] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: so you should have a dual boot. :]
[05:00] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: and give a try to CInelerra for video editing
[05:01] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, oh. hm. ima see if i can change my current ubuntu into 64 bit. i installed as i386
[05:01] <s3a> nhaines: wait r u sayin i have proprietary stuff in my system? or did u just mean that the normal installation that is not the free software only mode has a minimal amount of proprietary software?
[05:01] <mouser-> bliZZardz: Aside from marking them manually, I don't think it differentiates between security update and regular update.  Perhaps it should, like Windows and many other update managers do.
[05:01] <Pithecanthropus> trakinas: I will, but to keep certain stuff I use under xp. This pc has xp. Not vista 64. Is Cinelerra strong?
[05:01] <nhaines> s3a: I'm saying that the normal mode only has a minimal amount of proprietary software, restricted to certain drivers.
[05:02] <trakinas> s3a: there is a 100% free software, but i forgot its name.
[05:02] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: I just cited a lot of media production software I use. I work in communications and advertising, hence the need for 64bit os's.
[05:02] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: hence, also, my interest in the Ubuntu Studio flavour.
[05:02] <s3a> trakinas: if ur talkin bout gnewsense, i dont want to leave ubuntu, i just want free software only
[05:02] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: vista s0x. hehe! yes. cinelerra is strong
[05:03] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, yea gotcha. eh studio is like ubuntu with just a buncha apps already isntalled. u can get the same apps, just have to synaptic them
[05:03] <trakinas> s3a: ok
[05:04] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: i cannot say how strong cause i only do vidoe editting for fun, but it is powerful.
[05:04] <krsnadasa> trakinas: ummm the newest kernel seems to be compiling just the newest prepatch has some problems
[05:04] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: I was under the impression the Ubuntu Studio kernel was real-time?
[05:04] <Dex-Freudii> i've just upgraded hardy, and it uninstalled firefox!!!
[05:04] <trakinas> krsnadasa: i see... no need for me to compile kernels right now
[05:04] <pvl1> Pithecanthropus, what du mean?
[05:04] <EnMasse187> guys ubuntu had been ticking me off so i just switched back to windows xp  :)
[05:05] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: don't panic just goto the add/remove and add it again
[05:05] <nhaines> pvl1, Pithecanthropu: actually, I think Ubuntu Studio uses the realtime kernel.
[05:05] <trakinas> pvl1: real time proccessing
[05:05] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: yes, you're right.
[05:05] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: Ubuntu Studio is RTOS
[05:05] <EnMasse187> guys did you hear what i just said
[05:05] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: Regular Ubuntu isn't.
[05:05] <Dex-Freudii> krsnadasa: i tried apt-get install firefox and won't work
[05:05] <EnMasse187> i JUST went back to windows xp
[05:05] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i wish i could say same thing but thanks to good old iwl4965 the infamous intel i do :)
[05:05] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: error please
[05:05] <trakinas> haha
[05:05] <pavel989> Pithecanthropus, renamed from pvl1. idk what that is. i remember i had ubuntu isntalled and from synaptic i installed ubuntus tudio
[05:05] <Pithecanthropus> pvl1: or so I thought.
[05:05] <EnMasse187> trakinas whats so funny?
[05:06] <Dex-Freudii> firefox: Depende: firefox-3.0 pero no va a instalarse
[05:06] <xantres> Shujah: I got both screens working now, but on my left screen, I can't see the whole screen at once, it has me scroll around to view it
[05:06] <Dex-Freudii> E: Paquetes rotos
[05:06] <pavel989> nhaines, whats a realtime kernel? (i was pvl1)
[05:06] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: english ?
[05:06] <mouser-> EnMasse187: What "ticked you off"?
[05:06] <tech0007> Dex-Freudii: english pls
[05:06] <trakinas> EnMasse187: his good ol' chipset
[05:06] <EnMasse187> no
[05:06] <EnMasse187> I WAS JUST KIDDING
[05:06] <EnMasse187> how could you guys believe that
[05:06] <nhaines> pavel989: It means the kernel can guarantee certain programs that it will give them a certain amount of time slices.
[05:06] <Dex-Freudii> firefox: Depends : firefox-3.0 but won't install
[05:06] <EnMasse187> UBUNTU KICKS THE CRAP OUT WINDOWS
[05:06] <EnMasse187> :D
[05:06] <FloodBot2> EnMasse187: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:06] <Dex-Freudii> E: broken packages
[05:06] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : sudo apt-get install firefox (Terminal)
[05:06] <tech0007> !firefox
[05:07] <pavel989> nhaines, oh i never knew that
[05:07] <nhaines> pavel989: very good for sound processing.  :)
[05:07] <Dex-Freudii> alraune: that's what i did
[05:07] <EnMasse187> i'd have to be CRAZY to go back to windows :D
[05:07] <mouser-> EnMasse187: That's probably true. :)
[05:07] <EnMasse187> mouser-: what is?
[05:07] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: try a dpkg -i -f firefox
[05:07] <Pithecanthropus> pavel: it's an operating system with a ... well, they explained.
[05:07] <pavel989> Pithecanthropus, well then i guess u should go with ubunut studio
[05:07] <nhaines> pavel989: It's not common in desktop OSes and so Ubuntu isn't set up that way by default.  But if you need it, there's a specially compiled kernel for you waiting in the repositories!  :D
[05:07] <pavel989> nhaines, named...
[05:08] <mouser-> EnMasse187: Yes, you'd probably have to be crazy to go back to windows :)
[05:08] <dallas> ok i'm still lost i know i need to uncomment some lines in my repository list but not sure witch
[05:08] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: or a apt-get remove firefox and then a apt-get install firefox
[05:08]  * Ubuntu is kid tested, mother approved.
[05:08] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: also try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade before
[05:08] <dallas> trying to get java to work on ubuntu
[05:08] <Pithecanthropus> pavel1989: now all I have to learn how to do is write code and identify resources to compile a driver for my prodikeys ps2 midi controller keyboard and I'll be set
[05:08] <Dex-Freudii> firefox is not installed
[05:08] <tech0007> dallas: do it the easy way ...system->adminsitration->software sources
[05:09] <Pithecanthropus> pavel1989: otherwise, I'd have to dish out cash on a USB or regular midi interface controller.
[05:09] <nhaines> pavel989: linux-image-rt
[05:09] <pavel989> Pithecanthropus, well depending on which language, coding isnt too dificult
[05:09] <trakinas> dallas: pastebin your sources.
[05:09] <dallas> DUH lol tks
[05:09] <pavel989> nhaines, ill check it out
[05:09] <tech0007> !paste | Dex-Freudii:
[05:09] <Pithecanthropus> allright guys
[05:09] <pavel989> Pithecanthropus, isnt it possible thats done for the keyboard thing?
[05:09] <Pithecanthropus> it's not, pavel.
[05:09] <Pithecanthropus> which sucks.
[05:10] <pavel989> oh im sory
[05:10] <pavel989> well good luck!
[05:10] <EnMasse187> lol
[05:10] <EnMasse187> well im out bye :D
[05:10] <nhaines> Later, EnMasse187.  :)
[05:10] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: in which language these controllers are coded?
[05:10] <Pithecanthropus> but if it isn't, and this is open source, and I'm getting into this whole deal, then the proper thing to do for me would be to find out how to make it work and distribute it :)
[05:10] <Pithecanthropus> I have no idea, trakinas. It's creative, and they only work with winXP
[05:10] <xantres> With Dual monitors setup, my left monitor won't show the whole desktop, it has me scrolling, does anyone know what is causing that?
[05:11] <Dex-Freudii> installing firefox-3.0 requieres uninstalling ubuntu-desktop among others
[05:11] <trakinas> which is it name, ahain?
[05:11] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: that's very generous of you.  :)
[05:11] <Pithecanthropus> trakinas: God I've come to hate creative labs. I used to love them.
[05:11] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: hehe
[05:11] <Pithecanthropus> nhaines: well, that's what it's all about, isn't it?
[05:11] <tech0007> Dex-Freudii: post your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: indeed.  :)
[05:11] <trakinas> Dex-Freudii: i downloaded its binary from mozilla.
[05:11] <Commie_Jebus> Dex-Freudii: I didnt need to uninstall gnome...
[05:12] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : sudo apt-get update, dependencys unsolverd ?
[05:12] <trakinas> works like a charm, execpt for some bugs with images
[05:12] <pavel989> Pithecanthropus, well c++ is wild wild language and should be considered devil worship, but it is strong. python is much more productive
[05:12] <Pithecanthropus> nhaines: that's why I want to get into this. I'm actually quite psyched.
[05:12] <nhaines> pavel989: yes, but you can't program a device driver in Python!
[05:12] <Dex-Freudii> i was running firefox fine untill i just upgraded :(
[05:12] <Dex-Freudii> that's a bug
[05:12] <pavel989> nhaines, im sure out there, there is  a way
[05:12] <Pithecanthropus> nhaines: ofcourse, the only thing I can program is math games in basic.
[05:12] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: remember its never the computers fault its the users fault
[05:12] <trakinas> Dex-Freudii: no, it is not
[05:12] <Pithecanthropus> nhaines: or play with the logo turtle.
[05:12] <nhaines> pavel989: I doubt there is.  It's not why Python is "for".  I love Python.  :)
[05:13] <Pithecanthropus> nhaines: BUT, i can learn.
[05:13] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: did you try the dpkg -i -f firefox ?
[05:13] <Dex-Freudii> krsnadasa: that won't work
[05:13] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: you can!  :D  Python's good for learning--very easy like BASIC but much more powerful.  Can't do drivers in it, though.
[05:13] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: why not ?
[05:13] <Dex-Freudii> -i and -f are incompatible options
[05:13] <krsnadasa> lol
[05:13] <nhaines> lol
[05:13] <Pithecanthropus> ok guys, I'm gonna venture out into installing this thing
[05:13] <Pithecanthropus> and hopefully
[05:13] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : whats does dpkg say ?
[05:13] <Pithecanthropus> if you guys stick around
[05:13] <Pithecanthropus> I'll be back
[05:13] <Pithecanthropus> from a wholly different desktop
[05:13] <nhaines> Pithecanthropus: best of luck!  We look forward to seeing you back in a half hour!  :)
[05:14] <Pithecanthropus> sometime soon tonight
[05:14] <Dex-Freudii> i changes sources servers
[05:14] <Pithecanthropus> then I'll tell you wether I went 64 or 32bit
[05:14] <Pithecanthropus> :)
[05:14] <trakinas> Pithecanthropus: you can acess irc through livecd
[05:14] <Dex-Freudii> alraune: that they are incompatible options
[05:14] <pavel989> nhaines, very glad i learned it
[05:14] <Dex-Freudii> but in spanish it says it
[05:14] <Pithecanthropus> trakinas: ubuntu studio doesn't come in live cd flavours.
[05:14] <Pithecanthropus> trakinas: just alternate installs.
[05:14] <pavel989> Pithecanthropus, yea good luck
[05:14] <nhaines> pavel989: Python was like a life-changing experience for me. :)
[05:14] <Dex-Freudii> solved
[05:14] <Dex-Freudii> .ca server was the problem
[05:15] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: in the spanish version theres many differnt bugs...... lol joking
[05:15] <Pithecanthropus> ok
[05:15] <Pithecanthropus> bye
[05:15] <Pithecanthropus> and thanks for the help
[05:15] <Dex-Freudii> thank you all guys!!!
[05:15] <tech0007> Dex-Freudii: its not a bug after all
[05:15] <krsnadasa> Dex-Freudii: no problem were here to attempt to help not help ;)
[05:15] <Dex-Freudii> tech0007: it is a .ca server's
[05:15] <tech0007> Dex-Freudii: yup
[05:16] <krsnadasa> ok i am out i am going to go install windows!!
[05:16] <pavel989> nhaines, it started with ruby for me, but ive switched to ptyhon. although i do like ruby's really easy english style syntax
[05:16] <pavel989> nhaines, just kinda read through
[05:16] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : http://tools.google.com/firefox/toolbar/bundle/intl/de/install.html?hl=de&ai=BZILacIF5SP7COYru6gWC8cjJB9Ge8hfdqPb-AcWNtwEAEAEYASDY1o8KOABQwJi3xQJglQKgAbWVyP0DsgEjd3d3LmZpcmVmb3gtYnJvd3Nlci1kb3dubG9hZC4yMDEuY2i6AQhyZWZfdGV4dMgBAdoBTGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZmlyZWZveC1icm93c2VyLWRvd25sb2FkLjIwMS5jaC8_Z2NsaWQ9Q0ttWmk3cUF2SlFDRlNiVlhnb2RFUTRTVUGAAgHAAgOoAwPoA7AC6AO7AugDuQI&gclid=CKLhlsKAvJQCFQwHuwodRmdkJA
[05:16] <tech0007> krsnadasa: good luck
[05:16] <SONG> how to switch to "root"?
[05:17] <nhaines> pavel989: I haven't played with Ruby but I understand that it's very nice as well.  :)
[05:17] <alraune> song: sudo -s
[05:17] <trakinas> SONG: youd have not to unless you really need
[05:17] <Dex-Freudii> alraune: ??? german??
[05:17] <krsnadasa> tech0007: lol why do you need luck its windows "you have moved you mouse cursor, please restart"
[05:17] <trakinas> alraune: sup!
[05:17] <trakinas> Dex-Freudii: yes, he is
[05:18] <tech0007> krsnadasa: what?
[05:18] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : you can change language richt top
[05:18] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : you can change language right top
[05:18] <David___> Hello everyone... I just installed Ubuntu on my computer with the 8.04 alternate cd. I get to the screen where you put your username and password put both in and when i press enter to log in or whatever it just freezes at a orange screen.
[05:18] <krister> pavel what made you switch to python
[05:18] <Dex-Freudii> ok... but that's the google toolbar right?
[05:18] <krsnadasa> tech0007: its a joke.. we have those here in cali how about over there?
[05:18] <Dex-Freudii> why the link?
[05:18] <David___> anybody know what the problem could be.
[05:18] <tech0007> krsnadasa: ryt
[05:19] <trakinas> krsnadasa: or: "we had installed an update without you noticing, while your screen was locked and you out for lunch. then, after installing it, we'd restarted your pc and all your sql migration proccessing was lost"
[05:19] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : ├żh google download firefox ??
[05:19] <Dex-Freudii> David___: which computer do you have?
[05:19] <krsnadasa> tech0007: ryt?
[05:19] <David___> hp pavilion
[05:19] <David___> a700y
[05:19] <nhaines> trakinas: you get that one too, eh?  ;)
[05:19] <tech0007> krsnadasa: nvm
[05:19] <Dex-Freudii> alraune: ah ok... thank you but I solved the problem changing repositories server
[05:20] <darthanubis> isn't there an easier way to add app lauchers to awn?
[05:20] <trakinas> David___: your could take a little to log in and load your desktop
[05:20] <darthanubis> used to be able to drag n drop?
[05:20] <alraune> Dex-Freuddii : ok, running now ?
[05:20] <trakinas> nhaines: yes. unfortunetely. =(
[05:20] <David___> i left it on for like 30 min
[05:20] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i don't use sql so i guess i am in the green
[05:20] <Dex-Freudii> alraune: yup
[05:20] <trakinas> krsnadasa: hehe
[05:20] <David___> i was playing call of duty on xboxc
[05:20] <David___> then i just restarted
[05:20] <nhaines> trakinas: one of the things that infuriates me about Windows.  The other one I think is no middle-click to pates.  :)
[05:20] <Dex-Freudii> David___: ctrl+alt+F1 switch to terminal
[05:20] <Dex-Freudii> log in
[05:20] <Dex-Freudii> and run
[05:20] <SONG> the thing is i can not type chinese, when i google it, someone says in etc/environment add something. but i found that this file is not writeable. so i'm thinking should i switch to root or something. i just start using XUBUNTU and doesn;t know everything....i need help
[05:20] <David___> ok
[05:20] <trakinas> nhaines: oh! hack yes!!
[05:20] <Dex-Freudii> rm -rf .gno*
[05:21] <David___> after i sign in using that
[05:21] <David___> what do i do
[05:21] <trakinas> nhaines: i always middle click on other pc
[05:21] <David___> just type run
[05:21] <David___> this is my first time ever using ubuntu
[05:21] <Dex-Freudii> David___: rm -rf .gno*
[05:21] <krsnadasa> nhaines: we use ctrl+v to paste in windows ;)
[05:21] <trakinas> one day my friend asked: whay you always middle click and never do control+c?
[05:21] <Shoopuf> SONG: try editting it with "sudo gedit file_name"
[05:21] <Dex-Freudii> David___: i think it may be a problem with gnome configuration
[05:21] <trakinas> *why
[05:21] <sxjast> Sorry to bother, where do I ask help about ubuntu here?
[05:21] <EnMasse187> need some help installing enemy territory, i have ET 2.55 installed and now NEED to UPDATE to 2.6 how do i do that, i have the patch
[05:21] <alraune> song:u can type sudo gedit<Filename>
[05:21] <David___> just type this then "rm -rf .gno*"
[05:21] <David___> without parenthesis
[05:21] <nhaines> krsnadasa: it's not the same as selecting some text and the middle-clicking.  ;)
[05:21] <trakinas> sxjast: just ask
[05:21] <Dex-Freudii> sxjast: just write your question
[05:22] <Dex-Freudii> David___: yep
[05:22] <David___> ok
[05:22] <SONG> hold on, not too fast. what's sudo gedit file_name?
[05:22] <David___> ill brb hopefully when i treturn ill be on ubuntu
[05:22] <nhaines> sxjast: don't worry, we don't bite.  :)
[05:22] <David___> does ubuntu come with pidgin like fedora
[05:22] <trakinas> EnMasse187: my computer can barelly play n64 emu.... cannot help you. =-(
[05:22] <nhaines> David___: yes, it does.
[05:22] <Dex-Freudii> David___: 8.04 does
[05:22] <trakinas> but i think google can
[05:22] <EnMasse187> lol trakinas
[05:22] <Shoopuf> David___: yes it does come with Pidgin
[05:22] <EnMasse187> trakinas: where can i get some roms :D
[05:22] <alraune> song:sudo =do as root gedit=texteditor(Notepad)
[05:22] <David___> ok thank you all hopefully when i return i will be on ubuntu
[05:22] <David___> thanks you
[05:23] <sxjast> thanks trakinas. Flash player is not working in my firefox..I'm using Gutsy
[05:23] <Dex-Freudii> good luck David___
[05:23] <krsnadasa> nhaines: i find that confusing.. i still use ctrl+cmds in linux just to get my operation f'ed up by the copy command
[05:23] <nhaines> SONG: press Alt+F2, then in that windows type "gksu gedit filename'
[05:23] <trakinas> EnMasse187: google.  ^^
[05:23] <nhaines> David___: good luck!
[05:23] <trakinas> sxjast: does it not load any swf at all? or in a speciffic pafe?
[05:23] <trakinas> *page
[05:23] <nhaines> krsnadasa: selecting and middle-clicking is a different clipboard than Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V (I use both back and forth).
[05:23] <SONG> "gksu gedit filename failed
[05:24] <alraune> song:u can type sudo gedit<Filename>
[05:24] <xantres> how do you install a .run I double click on it and choose the terminal, but it requires super user, how can I fix that?
[05:24] <codyzapp> may be a stupid question but, is there any possible way to mount xp through linux? i have a live cd for windblows xp lolol
[05:24] <krsnadasa> nhaines: try using ctrl-c and ctrl-v in terminal ;)
[05:24] <SONG> i got it, then?
[05:24] <alraune> xantres chown <username> filename
[05:24] <sxjast> trakinas: If I open youtube, it says plugin is missing. If I click on install missing plugins, it shows me a list 3 plugins. When I tried to install flashplugin nonfree plugin, it said I already have it
[05:24] <EnMasse187> trakinas: lol i know :D
[05:24] <trakinas> sxjast: about:plugins
[05:25] <nhaines> krsnadasa: If try Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V if you want to copy and paste into GnomeTerminal.  ;)
[05:25] <trakinas> on your url bar
[05:25] <alraune> song:now u can modify and save the file
[05:25] <nhaines> krsnadasa: but in fact, terminal is usually where I select/middle-click the most.
[05:25] <trakinas> nhaines: same.
[05:25] <trakinas> but i have to learn how to do that on tty's.
[05:25] <trakinas> i mean, copy+paste
[05:25] <djs26> Well, I just booted the livecd for 8.04 on my lappy, and livecd mode is giving me 1000s of lines that say SQUASHFS error...
[05:25] <nhaines> codyzapp: yes, you can access your files from your Windows partion under Ubuntu.
[05:26] <nhaines> trakinas: there's some command that offers it, but I haven't used it since 1996, so I forget it.  :)
[05:26] <krsnadasa> nhaines, trakinas: i some 31337 i don't copy and paste i write down what i need on a paper and then type it back in :P
[05:26] <trakinas> hahahhahahah
[05:26] <nhaines> krsnadasa: lol
[05:26] <trakinas> krsnadasa: better then using vi
[05:26] <codyzapp> nono.. i want to be able to mount a "iso" file of xp.. wine isnt running the app i need to run. so i was thinking id mount a xp iso and see if i can install it
[05:26] <alraune> trakinas: nice chat, wondered how to copy from i.e. this board, aahh, middlemouse
[05:27] <nhaines> codyzapp: in that case, install VirtualBox and you can run Windows XP through emulation.  :)
[05:27] <krsnadasa> trakinas: for tty you just install gbm? (damn mouse server i forgot the name)
[05:27] <nck> how to make /tmp executable?
[05:27] <codyzapp> ok great. thankyou. i was lookin for vmware :x
[05:27] <Rat409> gpm
[05:27] <trakinas> krsnadasa: nah! mouse is for n00bs
[05:27] <nhaines> nck: /tmp is a directory and cannot be executed.
[05:27] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i don't think you as 31337 as me
[05:28] <trakinas> krsnadasa: =~(
[05:28] <alraune> nck:  chmod 755 your-script-name
[05:28] <krsnadasa> nck: unless you got hacked and some hacker make tmp into a system killing script ;)
[05:28] <nck> nhaines:  ic, but i fail to install f-secure, reason is the /tmp is noexec
[05:28] <Cynical_> does anyone know how to export themes out of beryl?
[05:28] <krsnadasa> nck: sudo mkdir /tmp
[05:29] <Neo_The_User> Hello everybody!
[05:29] <trakinas> krsnadasa: i remember a bofh script that would delete your /home/ on everty login
[05:29] <trakinas> forgot it.
[05:29] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: NO hello
[05:29] <Neo_The_User> lol huh?
[05:29] <trakinas> lets call this day "day of no lol"!
[05:30] <krsnadasa> trakinas: vi /etc/rc.local add "rm -rf /home" to end of line ;)
[05:30] <xantres> alruane: still no luck
[05:30] <Neo_The_User> hello dstan and magic_ninja!
[05:30] <trakinas> krsnadasa: it would only delete your files, not the home.
[05:30] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: we are very uptight people here we don't like joking or hellos!!!
[05:30] <dstan> ohai
[05:30] <trakinas> like, rm -rf /home/$USER/*.*
[05:30] <mwhit74> what would one recommend as a photo viewer in ubuntu
[05:31] <trakinas> mwhit74: gqview
[05:31] <LordAntiApple> Can someone help me?
[05:31] <krsnadasa> trakinas: if you want to delete home you just call up bin ladin
[05:31] <magic_ninja> hell Neo_The_User
[05:31] <LordAntiApple> i have problems with ubuntu installer on my laptop
[05:31] <nhaines> mwhit74: honestly?  I really like Picasa.
[05:31] <tritium> krsnadasa: stay on topic, please
[05:31] <krsnadasa> LordAntiApple: it helps is you state the problem rather then I NEED HELP ;)
[05:31] <mwhit74> trakinas, nhaines; do either one of you run windows or have you?
[05:31] <LordAntiApple> ok
[05:31] <LordAntiApple> lol
[05:31] <Neo_The_User> lol krsnadasa so you get to make jokes?
[05:31] <trakinas> krsnadasa: that was awful
[05:31] <djs26> LordAntiApple: I hear ya.  I can't even boot the livecd on my lappy...
[05:32] <LordAntiApple> any idea on why?
[05:32] <krsnadasa> trakinas: what ?
[05:32] <nhaines> mwhit74: Of course I have.  I rarely use Windows anymore but I do have it around for the occasional need.
[05:32] <tritium> krsnadasa: your inappropriate comment
[05:32] <nck> my wifi led is blinking using ndiswrapper, is that normal. but the led is on when using iwl3945
[05:32] <trakinas> mwhit74: at my job. 3 years without booting windows at home
[05:32] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: i was'nt joking i am serious!
[05:32] <LordAntiApple> I have a dell D630
[05:32] <mwhit74> trakinas, nhaines: just wondering what each of those are comparable in windon't
[05:32] <mwhit74> s
[05:32] <LordAntiApple> and it locks up during install
[05:32] <djs26> LordAntiApple: 1000's of errors that say SQUASHFS error...
[05:32] <trakinas> krsnadasa: awful jk. about bin
[05:32] <Neo_The_User> lol
[05:32] <nhaines> mwhit74: Picasa is the same on Windows or in Linux.
[05:32] <Neo_The_User> i'll never stop laughing
[05:32] <krsnadasa> trakinas: i am sorry i love the guy ???? is that what you want me to say ?
[05:33] <mwhit74> nhaines; ok thanks
[05:33] <nhaines> mwhit74: if you want any specific recommendations, just let me know that too.  :)
[05:33] <LordAntiApple> ÉĢĘComputerĘĢÉ Processor..::2-Intel::.. Clock..::2192MHz::.. Cache..::0KB::.. Memory..::0/2048MB (0.00%)::.. .Ģ½UPP╗Ģ.
[05:33] <tritium> krsnadasa: drop it, and stay on topic
[05:33] <trakinas> krsnadasa: no. nm.
[05:33] <krsnadasa> LordAntiApple: please don't use the return key as punctuational
[05:33] <mwhit74> LordAntiApple: what locks up during install
[05:33] <LordAntiApple> the install
[05:33] <LordAntiApple> the complete install
[05:33] <LordAntiApple> it freezes
[05:34] <David___> hello
[05:34] <mwhit74> nhaines: what kind of recommendations?
[05:34] <LordAntiApple> i have changes the SATA settings to AHCI from ATA
[05:34] <LordAntiApple> *changed
[05:34] <mwhit74> LordAntiApple: what program?
[05:34] <LordAntiApple> Ubuntu
[05:34] <nhaines> mwhit74: for applications in Ubuntu that provide similar functionality as what you're used to in Windows.
[05:34] <LordAntiApple> the latest release
[05:35] <mwhit74> LordAntiApple: i have been having the same problem on an older dell machine
[05:35] <LordAntiApple> hmmm
[05:35] <LordAntiApple> i wonder if it has something to do with the DVD rom
[05:35] <David___> i tryed to boot into ubuntu and i would put my pass and un and it would just freeze. it was frozen for about 30 min. I restarted back into windows and got some advice and now ubuntu wont even reach the login screen
[05:35] <krsnadasa> tritium: how do you tell LordAntiApple about the whole "i" return "have" return "a" ... etc
[05:35] <Shoopuf> mwhit74: I've always been partial to Google Picasa.... It's pretty godly with organizing photos (if that's what you meant by 'photo viewer')
[05:35] <morningwalker> anyone using virtualbox here??
[05:35] <tritium> krsnadasa: !enter
[05:35] <krsnadasa> !enter
[05:35] <David___> it just freezes after the spash loading screen at a black screen
[05:36] <krsnadasa> tritium: thanks
[05:36] <mwhit74> LordAntiApple: i tell it to install and it will bring up the back ground and eventually it will just stop even trying to run it live it wont work
[05:36] <tritium> mwhit74: try f-spot, which is installed by default
[05:36] <krsnadasa> !tell
[05:36] <LordAntiApple> i can get live to work sometimes
[05:36] <mwhit74> tritum; yea it didn't work, aka i dont like it
[05:36] <LordAntiApple> i have even tried installing ubuntu from a second HD and it still will lock up during the installation
[05:36] <DarkAudit> Open the pod bay doors please, ubottu
[05:36] <tritium> mwhit74: didn't work in what way?
[05:37] <W86_86> what is LSTP?
[05:37] <DarkAudit> hmph :)
[05:37] <mwhit74> nhaines: ok i got another one for you how about a C++ complier like Visual C++ in windows
[05:37] <krsnadasa> DarkAudit: are you THE DarkAudit the one from aircrack ?
[05:37] <nhaines> mwhit74: for that you'll use gcc++, isn't it?  But Visual Studio is an IDE, not a compiler.
[05:37] <mwhit74> tritum: ok nevermind i just realized i am a dumbass and tried to open a photoshop doc with it
[05:38] <David___> anybody know what the problem could be.
[05:38] <clu-> hm, was wondering if anyone can help me with this install thing. everytime i go to do something off the install/livecd, it wont load and gives me busybox every time
 Hi, i have installed ubuntu inside windows, I have installed some softwares in it. If i uninstall it, will i be able to recover the softwares from the backup?
 back up all data first to flash drive
 when I unistall ubuntu, there is an option for backup. Is that enough?
 i don't understand what u r talkig about u have windows and ubuntu installed?
 I installed ubuntu inside windows partition. help Jaseem out
[05:38] <FloodBot2> Neo_The_User: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:38] <sjwu823> why does joining this channel require registration with mirc/windows and not xchat/ubuntu?
[05:38] <nhaines> mwhit74: And since everyone likes different IDEs, I can't reccomend one.    It does your code, manages your project files... usually can compile your program for ou...
[05:40] <thebitguru> hi, what do you use to keep home directories in sync over multiple computers?  I am trying to figure out if I should go with unison or just plain svn.
[05:40] <mwhit74> to all: how many of you are straight ubuntu users
[05:40] <pavel989> mwhit74, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment
[05:40] <LordAntiApple> i wish i could be one
[05:40] <Neo_The_User> how do i erase my home directory?
[05:40] <LordAntiApple> but i cant use it on my laptop
[05:40] <Dex-Freudii> why do I have two xorg processes consuming each 132 MB?
[05:40] <tritium> LordAntiApple: not for discussion
[05:40] <sjwu823> i can't believe that i think ms windows is actually HARD now that i haven't used it for 7 years.. hehe
[05:40] <mwhit74> pavel989: thanks
[05:40] <pavel989> orkid, yes
[05:40] <pavel989> mwhit74, np
[05:41] <trakinas> nhaines: python pwns!
[05:41] <LordAntiApple> yeah i know tritium ^_-
[05:41] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: lmfao
[05:41] <krsnadasa> !topic
[05:41] <LordAntiApple> !topic
[05:41] <pavel989> trakinas, yes but C++ is def more powerful, not moreproductive but definetly more wicked
[05:41] <trakinas> sjwu823: haha! sometimes i get myself pressing alt+f2...
[05:41] <trakinas> pavel989: depending on what you are doing, of course! :]
[05:41] <LordAntiApple> anyways thanks for the insight
[05:42] <DarkAudit> krsnadasa: are you thinking darkaudax?
[05:42] <sjwu823> trakina: yea: i couldn't figure out how to use mirc to join #ubuntu .... i would have thought i'd do the same thing as with xchat.
[05:42] <pavel989> trakinas, sjwu823 i sometiems start doing compiz tricks on xp and wonder y they dont work
[05:42] <mwhit74> nhaines: have you ever used/ heard of WinAMP its a audio/video/device manager in windows and possibly linux i haven't done any looking but do you know anything about it because i am kinda impartial to it
[05:42] <pavel989> trakinas, oh ofcourse
[05:42] <krsnadasa> DarkAudit: maybe ?
[05:42] <DarkAudit> krsnadasa: I'm not him :)
[05:42] <trakinas> i sware one day i typed: apt-get install on a dos terminal.
[05:42] <krsnadasa> DarkAudit: i think we have established that :)
[05:42] <David___> can someone give me some tips on uninstalling ubuntu
[05:43] <mwhit74> anyone know what to do if a ubunut liveCD wont install on an older dell
[05:43] <un_dave> I know this isnt really a ubuntu issue, but does anyone know how to correct the time in azureus speed scheduler? an faq told me to add this:  export tz='GMT+10' to my .bash_profile, but i cant find that file, and adding it to /etc/profile doesnt seem to help.
[05:43] <David___> without making my system unbootable to get back into windows
[05:43] <Mohammad[B]> hi all
[05:43] <pavel989> trakinas, ahah thats awesome
[05:43] <krsnadasa> David___: what are you using for a bootloader?
[05:43] <sjwu823> pavel989: i got one for you. I repair xp machines (ok- i really just do os reinstall mostly) and the other day i couldn't figure out how much memory was in use.... i figured out how much memory it had easily. then i asked somebody who had no idea about tech (as the tech i looked really silly)
[05:43] <Shoopuf> mwhit74: What kind of error [if any] are you getting?   You might try xmms, but I'm not sure if it's actively maintained these days.
[05:43] <tritium> !language | Mohammad[B]
[05:44] <mwhit74> trakinas: i lol'd at you typing commands in the windont's
[05:44] <snarkster> any suggestions on what TTS software to use. the repos dont seem to have gnopernicus
[05:44] <trakinas> pavel989: and i always press tab to auto-completation...
[05:44] <Jaseem> Hi, i have isntalled ubuntu inside windows. I want to uninstall it. But I want to backup the installation so that next time i install it, it will be easy
[05:44] <Mohammad[B]> now shiPIt send to me ubuntu 8.04.1  ?!?!?
[05:44] <David___> can i reset mbr with vista boot pro
[05:44] <nickrud> nhaines they're recommending audacious for xmms users now
[05:44] <nickrud> Mohammad[B] ah, you got the latest then
[05:44] <Neo_The_User> i do i make ubuntu not start up on reboot?
[05:44] <Neo_The_User> *how do i
[05:45] <sjwu823> mwhit74: you might want to try an older version of ubuntu or a newer version. i've had the issue before and found that it sometimes works... then maybe upgrade it to the latest version
[05:45] <nickrud> that was weird
[05:45] <PmDematagoda> Neo_The_User: could you please elaborate on that?
[05:45] <trakinas> Neo_The_User: what you mean?
[05:45] <maco> Neo_The_User: if you dont want the comp to start back up, shut down instead of rebooting
[05:45] <mwhit74> Shoopuf, wbmj: i am getting no error, i usually makes it as far as bringing up the 'Hardy Heron' background and then it just "idols" there but does nothing. i am going to guess 2 or 3 years but not real sure
[05:45] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: edit your grub/lilo file
[05:45] <pavel989> sjwu823, xp installs should come with a free ctrl+alt+del button on the side
[05:45] <mwhit74> sjwu823:  i considered this option
[05:45] <Neo_The_User> grub lilo file got it
[05:45] <pavel989> Neo_The_User, edit ur menu.lst
[05:46] <sjwu823> does anybody know how to give netapplet the permission as an ordinary user to change network configuration?
[05:46] <Neo_The_User> oh ok! great thanks!
[05:46] <nickrud> Jaseem could you elaborate?
[05:46] <sunru> hello
[05:46] <snarkster> !gnopernicus
[05:46] <trakinas> sunru: hi there
[05:46] <snarkster> !tts
[05:46] <krsnadasa> sunru: hola
[05:46] <wbmj> mwhit: If thats the case it is probably the sound driver.....Dell's are notorious for that
[05:46] <trakinas> !mondo
[05:46] <PmDematagoda> Neo_The_User: in the case of Ubuntu, its GRUB
[05:46] <tritium> !botabuse
[05:46] <DarkAudit> ubottu: open the pod bay doors
[05:46] <pavel989> sjwu823, are u rinning it from a terminal?
[05:46] <sjwu823> pavel989: i figured it out eventually- it took a few min. though. i think i just looked it up in the end.
[05:46] <sunru> is their a i686 version of ubuntu?
[05:46] <sunru> there
[05:47] <tcgbp> hello
[05:47] <sunru> hello
[05:47] <sunru> ?
[05:47] <mwhit74> wbmj: really the sound driver would cause it to not install?
[05:47] <krsnadasa> sunru: yes
[05:47] <Commie_Jebus> hello
[05:47] <pavel989> sjwu823, ok good job then!
[05:47] <snarkster> hello
[05:47] <sunru> i don't see it on my mirror
[05:47] <krsnadasa> hello ?
[05:47] <sunru> just amd64 and i386
[05:47] <Jaseem> I have installed ubuntu inside windows. I have installed some softwares and have done configurations inside ubuntu. Now, I am going to unistall ubuntu. This will give an option to backup my installation. Can I use this bakup to install ubuntu without losing those configuration and softwares
[05:47] <snarkster> anybody ever used gnopernicus
[05:47] <Ranirahn2> hi....some one know why resuming from suspend still makes loud continuesly beep?????
[05:47] <nhaines> nickrud: aha, is it audacious?  I knew it was something.  Thanks.  :)
[05:48] <nickrud> sunru there's not a -i686 iso, and the i386 version won't run on a 386 anyway
[05:48] <krsnadasa> Jaseem: yes
[05:48] <sunru> nickrud: ahh
[05:48] <snarkster> its a generic version
[05:48] <sjwu823> pavel989: (great job... hehe ohh you should see me... i never touch ms windows in repairing machines.. mainly cause i'm clueless these days.)  regarding netapplet i'm running it from alt-f2 (run command)
[05:48] <Neo_The_User> so if i erase the menu.list file will that break my system?
[05:48] <EnMasse187> guys need help
[05:48] <wbmj> whit74 : yes...i can't remember the exact driver...
[05:48] <sunru> busy channel
[05:48] <EnMasse187> updating enemy territory 2.55 to 2.60
[05:48] <PmDematagoda> Neo_The_User: if you keep using GRUB, most definitely yes
[05:48] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: yes if grub is your bootloader
[05:48] <Jaseem> Krsnadasa, please tell me how? The backup is an ISO file
[05:48] <pavel989> sjwu823, oh then u just do gksudo netapplet
[05:49] <Neo_The_User> fantastic!
[05:49] <krsnadasa> Jaseem: burn a cd with the iso ;) and then insert
[05:49] <PmDematagoda> Neo_The_User: you want to break your PC?
[05:49] <Neo_The_User> yes permanetly
[05:49] <mwhit74> wbmj: ok well do you know how to fix it?
[05:49] <Neo_The_User> perferabbly erase the flash memory
[05:49] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: you scare me
[05:49] <mwhit74> wbmj: or a way around it?
[05:49] <sjwu823> sjwu823: aww what would be the correct way to get netapplet to load automatically then?
[05:49] <Neo_The_User> if i smash my flash device that will do it to right?
[05:49] <Jaseem> so, I have to burn it.
[05:49] <PmDematagoda> Neo_The_User: you do realise that you are going to end up with a broken PC?
[05:50] <Jaseem> can i do that without burning?
[05:50] <Neo_The_User> oh yes of coarse!
[05:50] <orkid> so many choices for window manager. hmmmmm
[05:50] <wbmj> whit74 : Are you trying to install Hardy
[05:50] <krsnadasa> Jaseem: do you know what a iso is ?
[05:50] <PmDematagoda> Neo_The_User: well, your choice
[05:50] <Jaseem> some sort of compression, am I right?
[05:50] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: smashing the flash dosent help
[05:50] <Ranirahn2> some one uses susbend?
[05:50] <krsnadasa> Jaseem: do a google search for iso and ubuntu backup ;)
[05:51] <Neo_The_User> if i erase the menu.lst file i can reinstall ubuntu and re-install ubuntu, will my system be fine?
[05:51] <crimsun> Ranirahn2: suspend-to-{ram,disk}?
[05:51] <krsnadasa> Ranirahn2: suspend don't work so well
[05:51] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: it depends on which ubuntu version
[05:51] <wbmj> my mistake you already said so
[05:51] <Neo_The_User> 8.04.1
[05:51] <Ranirahn2> so still dont work....
[05:51] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: and then reinstall with what version ?
[05:52] <Neo_The_User> 8.04.1
[05:52] <PmDematagoda> Ranirahn2: I think 2.6.24 doesnt work well in suspend, but 2.6.25 seems to have this fixed
[05:52] <Jaseem> Thanks.
[05:52] <Neo_The_User> via live c
[05:52] <Neo_The_User> d
[05:52] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: and the final reinstall with what version ?
[05:52] <Neo_The_User> 8.04.1
[05:52] <PmDematagoda> Ranirahn2: but in order to have the best suspension and hibernation, your hardware and drivers also have to be compliant
[05:52] <mwhit74> wbmj: ok well do you know how to fix it? or a way around it?
[05:52] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: well then if you don't mind losing your data no problem ;) your system will be all good
[05:52] <sjwu823> pavel989: ohh so maybe my question is wrong. my point in asking is this: i need netapplet to load on boot for a miniature ubuntu (ubuntu core /w x) livecd tool for pc repair.
[05:53] <PmDematagoda> Ranirahn2: what's the VGA you have?
[05:53] <Ranirahn2> ou.....then I just dont use that
[05:53] <krsnadasa> Ranirahn2: ;)
[05:53] <Ranirahn2> VGA is?
[05:53] <trakinas> i have to go folks
[05:53] <PmDematagoda> Ranirahn2: uhm, Nvidia, ATi, Intel?
[05:53] <trakinas> bye all!
[05:53] <sjwu823> pavel989: automatically might mean update-rc.d .... but i imagine not in this case the right way to have it load automatically.
[05:53] <Ranirahn2> nvidia
[05:53] <wbmj> whit74: try booting the liveCD in safe mode
[05:54] <PmDematagoda> Ranirahn2: ah, that could be a problem
[05:54] <Ranirahn2> i have laptop lenovo 3000 n100
[05:54] <PmDematagoda> Ranirahn2: The Nvidia drivers are not the best in suspend and hibernation
[05:54] <krsnadasa> Ranirahn2: i have a asus f9sg
[05:54] <Neo_The_User> does ubuntu support coreboot?
[05:54] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: coreboot ?
[05:54] <Neo_The_User> i have nvidia with ubuntu
[05:54] <Neo_The_User> *hate
[05:54] <Neo_The_User> now have ati
[05:54] <Neo_The_User> yes coreboot
[05:55] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: i have nvidia :) with ubuntu
[05:55] <Neo_The_User> its terrible
[05:55] <Neo_The_User> crashs 1 / 3 boots
[05:55] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: i don't get what coreboot means?
[05:55] <sjwu823> pavel989: never mind. i just thought of what to do. i'll add it sudoers as a passwordless app that can be run by the default live user.
[05:55] <krsnadasa> Neo_The_User: no problems for me
[05:55] <Ranirahn2> when I move alot then susbend is nice do have but if not then I need every time shotdown
[05:55] <tritium> nvidia is well-supported
[05:56] <PmDematagoda> tritium: with suspend and hibernation?
[05:56] <nhaines> coreboot is a Linux-based BIOS firmware.