[17:01] <Hybrid512> o/
[17:02] <Hybrid512> One question : does machines provisionned with MaaS must be able to communicate with the region server ? Of course they have to talk to rack server but is direct communication from machines to region server mandatory or is it proxied through rack server ?


[02:41] <mason> jelly: The magic is evidently in setupcon(1).
[02:41] <mason> (ctrl:nocaps)
[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:38] <Furai> How to disable ubuntu server MOTD? I don't want to know how to set up custom Kiosk.
[06:43] <rbasak> Furai: edit /etc/default/motd-news
[06:43] <Furai> rbasak, thank you, I will.
[06:44] <Furai> Yay, it worked. :) Thanks again.
[10:05] <rbasak> cpaelzer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[16:58] <NightMonkey> Hi, all. Is there a process by which I can test an LTS Linux kernel package before it is released to an LTS version? Is there some "testing" repo or such that I can use, or are they released directly to stable?
[16:59] <NightMonkey> Or "testing" PPA?
[17:07] <nacc> !crosspost | NightMonkey
[17:10] <NightMonkey> Ah, sorry about that.
[21:55] <TheGoodUser> hi all
[21:56] <TheGoodUser> I setup the mainboard with fake raid and I want to install ubuntu server on two hd with fake raid1
[21:56] <TheGoodUser> do I have to install ubuntu as I do with a only one hard disk?
[21:56] <nacc> TheGoodUser: you mean mobo raid?
[21:57] <nacc> TheGoodUser: i would recommend not using mobo raid and using swraid instead
[21:57] <TheGoodUser> yes
[21:57] <TheGoodUser> it's intel v370
[21:57] <TheGoodUser> it's just for raid1
[21:57] <genii> If your hardware raid is true and only shows 1 drive to operating systems you just install as if it was one driveetter way is probably to not use hardware raid and just use the ubuntu-server install process to make one
[21:58] <genii> sorry, my touchpad is flaky
[21:58] <nacc> TheGoodUser: i would recommend using the server raid from the installer then, as genii suggests
[21:58] <nacc> TheGoodUser: fakeraid really isn't worth your time, performance wise (IMO)
[21:59] <TheGoodUser> sorry what does it mean performance wise?
[21:59] <TheGoodUser> is that slower than software raid1?
[22:00] <nacc> TheGoodUser: it can be, i believe
[22:00] <genii> The overhead is so small there's not usually any difference if it's in hardware or in software
[22:09] <TheGoodUser> on the mobo bios thre's a setting about sata
[22:09] <TheGoodUser> it says ahci or "Intel Rst powered by optane"
[22:10] <TheGoodUser> which one should I use?
[22:12] <nacc> TheGoodUser: you should do some research into the options (specifcally what optane is for)
[22:14] <TheGoodUser> I have just two choices Raid (fakeraid) or ahci
[22:14] <TheGoodUser> fakeraid= intel RST
[22:16] <compdoc> TheGoodUser,  ahci
[22:16] <compdoc> do you use an ssd?
[22:16] <compdoc> an intel  optane
[22:21] <TheGoodUser> no there are tho sata eide
[22:32] <TheGoodUser> compdoc,


[01:24] <StevenK> wgrant: So, are you nervous enough about my change in https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/productseries-preload-for-merges/+merge/153052 ? I spent most of yesterday fighting with strange LocationErrors
[01:25] <wgrant> StevenK: Mmm
[01:25] <wgrant> It's safe
[01:25] <wgrant> Was just slightly concerned about the possibly late preloading
[01:25] <wgrant> But this can't make it worse
[01:25] <wgrant> r=me
[04:41] <StevenK> wgrant: Wasn't Curtis talking about patching zconfig for bug 481512?
[04:41] <_mup_> Bug #481512: race condition when rotating logs <canonical-losa-lp> <lp-foundations> <qa-untestable> <webapp-infrastructure> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <ZConfig:Fix Released by fdrake> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/481512 >
[04:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes, he was talking to upstream about it
[04:45] <wgrant> Might have eventually given up
[04:46] <StevenK> I can recall him mentioning just patching it into ours
[04:46] <wgrant> Yup
[04:46] <StevenK> But I don't recall the condition
[04:46] <wgrant> That's what you do once you give up talking to upstream
[04:48] <StevenK> wgrant: So, back to our argument about Archive:+delete-packages, you mentioned a change to the query of doom, but I can't recall it
[04:49] <wgrant> StevenK: A possible optimisation is to find sources where scheduleddeletiondate is null
[04:49] <wgrant> Since that should include any that have published binaries
[04:50] <StevenK> wgrant: I was pondering a new column in SPPH that links to published BPPHs, but that may result in you murdering me.
[04:51] <wgrant> StevenK: How would that be a) stored, and b) kept up to date?
[04:52] <StevenK> wgrant: a) as int[], b) probably via newPublication, c) I haven't considered how overrides fit in
[04:52] <wgrant> It's just about impossible to keep that consistent without very big locks
[04:52] <wgrant> And I like to keep my publishing tables consistent
[05:16] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5615641/
[05:20] <wgrant> StevenK: What's the query?
[05:22] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5615648/
[05:23] <StevenK> My index on DF didn't work :-(
[05:23] <StevenK>                            ->  Seq Scan on sourcepackagepublishinghistory  (cost=0.00..67337.11 rows=49673 width=135) (actual time=16.419..2005.405 rows=2893 loops=1)
[05:23] <StevenK>                                  Filter: ((scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL) AND (archive = 32))
[05:25] <StevenK> CREATE INDEX temp_spph ON sourcepackagepublishinghistory(archive, scheduleddeletiondate); being the index I created
[05:25] <wgrant> It probably decides that the uncondemned pubs are dense enough that it's not worth it
[05:25] <wgrant> Though with those counts it seems unlikely...
[05:26] <StevenK> I wonder if an (scheduleddeletiondate, archive) index will work
[05:27] <wgrant> won't make a difference
[05:27] <wgrant> archive WHERE scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL might
[05:30] <StevenK>                            ->  Seq Scan on sourcepackagepublishinghistory  (cost=0.00..67337.11 rows=49673 width=135) (actual time=16.185..1321.371 rows=2893 loops=1)
[05:30] <StevenK>                                  Filter: ((scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL) AND (archive = 32))
[05:30] <wgrant> What's archive 32?
[05:31] <StevenK> ~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa
[05:31] <wgrant> Only 126k total pubs
[05:32] <StevenK> Yes, it's the pathological case
[05:34] <wgrant> Anyway, the idea of the scheduleddeletiondate bit was to hopefully *replace* the binary check, not augment it
[05:34] <StevenK> Oh
[05:35] <StevenK> (SourcePackagePublishingHistory.scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL OR SourcePackagePublishingHistory.status IN (1, 2)) ?
[05:37] <wgrant> You can probably drop the latter
[05:37] <wgrant> Since a published or pending pub won't be condemned
[05:38] <StevenK> wgrant: Sorry, I'm having trouble visualising the query with the published binaries clause killed
[05:42] <wgrant> StevenK: Just drop the whole AND (EXISTS ... OR status IN (1, 2)) bit
[05:42] <wgrant> scheduleddeletiondate handles both of those, if things are working correctly
[05:43] <StevenK> Time: 414.243 ms
[05:44] <StevenK> I can paste the EXPLAIN ANALYZE for that if you wish
[05:45] <wgrant> Not particularly. If it's using the index there's probably not much improvement to be made
[05:46] <StevenK> It's using                                 Recheck Cond: (archive = 32)
[05:46] <StevenK>                                  Filter: (scheduleddeletiondate IS NULL)
[05:46] <StevenK>                                  ->  Bitmap Index Scan on securesourcepackagepublishinghistory__archive__status__idx  (cost=0.00..2395.95 rows=128988 width=0) (actual time=32.526..32.526 rows=126534 loops=1)
[05:46] <StevenK>                                        Index Cond: (archive = 32)
[05:46] <wgrant> Blah
[05:46] <wgrant> That doesn't make much sense
[05:46] <wgrant> It's using an index, so it has no reason not to use the complete one
[05:46] <StevenK> Neither of the indexes I tried didn't work
[05:54] <StevenK> wgrant: Do we care for a full index?
[05:54] <StevenK> postgres seems hell bend on not using one
[05:54] <wgrant> I'm not sure why it won't use it, but it should be OK
[05:54] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5615680/
[05:56] <StevenK> I'm not sure I care enough to Storm-ify it, but should be much easier now
[05:56] <wgrant> Very easy
[05:58] <StevenK> wgrant: Means the prejoin crap dies too
[05:58] <wgrant> Yes, just use load_related
[06:00] <StevenK> wgrant: It uses SPR.version for ordering
[06:00] <wgrant> Yes, but that's separate from the prejoin
[06:00] <wgrant> You could use DRS to avoid the load_related
[06:00] <wgrant> Given that you have to select SPN and SPR anyway
[06:25] <lifeless> stub: o/
[06:25] <stub> lifeless: yo!
[06:27] <StevenK> wgrant: Hmm, I think I'm bashing into sampledata stupidity


[07:14] <robertzaccour> does 10.04 have the latest version of xfce?
[07:15] <bazhang> Version <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:17] <robertzaccour> thanks
[07:18] <bazhang> np
[07:18] <robertzaccour> i really like xfce over gnome for speed. can't wait to try out gnome 3 though. i wonder if it will be released in time for 10.10
[07:19] <bazhang> September this year
[07:19] <bazhang> 10.10 is October
[07:20] <robertzaccour> i know. i'm sayin hope its on that Ubuntu version so i can try it out, unless i can before then
[07:21] <bazhang> perhaps check the roadmap for 10.10
[07:54] <xsteadfastx> i upgraded to lucid this morning
[07:54] <xsteadfastx> its still the same artwork on the loginmanager
[07:54] <xsteadfastx> is that normal?
[07:54] <knome> yes.
[07:54] <xsteadfastx> okidoki
[07:55] <xsteadfastx> :)
[09:45] <Name141> would Xfce come better running on a VooDoo3 8MB and p2 450 MHz than "gnome" ?
[09:49] <Sysi> ram is biggest issue
[09:49] <moetunes> Name141: for sure
[09:49] <Name141> 320 MBs
[09:49] <Sysi> xfce could go fine
[09:49] <Name141> moetunes: Anything else I could do with the old machine besides eggdrops and stuff?
[09:50] <moetunes> I use a p2 as a file and multimedia server :]
[09:50] <Name141> it's only got a 10 GB IDE
[09:50] <Name141> (hard drive)
[09:52] <moetunes> prob be slow for net browsing or openoffice stuff - could always get a bigger drive...
[09:53] <Name141> I dunno, would a bigger internal drive work?
[09:53] <Name141> I got a 130GB USB2 drive to work after I put in PCI USB2.0
[09:54] <Sysi> 5gb is minimum
[09:54] <Name141> But I never did anything to the internal
[09:54] <Sysi> i don't have problems with 8gb on netbook
[13:51] <dekroning> hi
[13:52] <dekroning> during install i used DHCP for my eth0, but now i wanted to fill in a static ip, but i don't see  eth0 specified in  /etc/network/interfaces   can i just add it ? or do i need to turn off dhcp for eth0 somewhere?
[20:17] <nailzy> Hi all
[20:17] <nailzy> new to xubuntu, and seeking advice on GFX driveer
[20:17] <nailzy> *driver
[20:18] <charlie-tca> As in , what video card?
[20:18] <nailzy> ati radeon igp330m
[20:18] <nailzy> POS I know
[20:18] <nailzy> but works under winblows
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Look in Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers. There should be one listed
[20:20] <nailzy> I did that, it says none, I have tried the latest linux driver on ATI's website, and really not sure otherwise
[20:21] <nailzy> i have an ATI pane program, it says no hardware
[20:21] <nailzy> but it is there! lol
[20:21] <nailzy> *panel
[20:21] <Sysi> things from wesites usually don't work
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Try this
[20:21] <charlie-tca> !ati
[20:21] <charlie-tca> xubuntu.org
[20:24] <nailzy> I will try the binary how to, but I something similar before, and my screen stayed blank, I probably cocked it up mind.
[20:25] <nailzy> had to do the raising skinny elephants thingy-o key strokes
[20:25] <nailzy> and that didnt work
[20:25] <nailzy> ive installed 4 times in 2 days now
[20:26] <charlie-tca> It might not be compatible with any driver now.
[21:10] <nailzy> Ummmmm...
[21:12] <nailzy> how exactly do I install the xf86-video-ati-6.13.0 driver?
[21:12] <nailzy> im new, so be gentle
[21:25] <nailzy> ive downloaded the latest opensource ATI driver, but haven't got a clue what to do next with it... anyone?
[21:50] <Moe> Hey there
[21:50] <Moe> Is there any "proper" interface for Ubuntu One using Xubuntu?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> no
[21:51] <Moe> Ok, that's what I needed to know
[21:51] <charlie-tca> UbuntuOne was designed to work with Gnome and Nautilus, not Xfce and Thunar
[21:51] <Moe> Yarr
[21:52] <Moe> I wonder how far Jannis is on the gvfs port
[21:52] <Moe> Anyway
[21:52] <Moe> Thank you
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I got it to work in karmic and lucid, but it only interfaces on one system, instead of the 5 I want on it
[21:52] <Moe> Pity actually
[21:52] <Moe> I love the idea behind it
[21:52] <Moe> charlie-tca: How did you manage to get it working?
[21:52] <charlie-tca> me too
[21:53] <Moe> I supposed it involved installing Nautilus
[21:53] <Moe> *suppose
[21:53] <Moe> Boy I'm tired
[21:53] <charlie-tca> I installed the ubuntuone client, client for gnome, and cli tools, then played with different commands
[21:53] <Moe> I see
[21:53] <charlie-tca> It now will run automatically for me from one system only
[21:54] <Moe> The Ubuntu One preferences actually tell me my computer is .. well, I'd say authorized
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I can manually add the files from a second system, but it won't show up on the first system.
[21:54] <Moe> I see
[21:54] <Moe> well, I don't need to sync in between systems
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I have not tried with Nautilus in Xubuntu
[21:54] <Moe> I just need it to sync my music store content
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Exaile should have a plugin for that now
[21:55] <Moe> I'll run a system update right now and see whether things have improved
[21:55] <Moe> Oh, really .. that's cool
[21:55] <Moe> Rhythmbox doesn't do it for me
[21:56] <charlie-tca> I just wanted file storage and sync. It fails at it for me
[21:56] <Moe> mhm
[22:17] <xdatz> Hi, when I try to fetch updates I get these errors: http://pastebin.com/ifbrM6Pa
[22:17] <xdatz> Can someone help me to get the lastest updates?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Are you sure you have a valid connection to the internet?
[22:21] <xdatz> Yes, I am using the pc now to connect to IRC
[22:21] <charlie-tca> If the connection is good, try again in an hour or two, it might be really busy
[22:21] <xdatz> I've tried a few days ago
[22:22] <xdatz> I try almost whenever this pc is on
[22:22] <charlie-tca> You have a firewall up?
[22:22] <xdatz> maybe 4 times so far
[22:22] <xdatz> no, just default install of xubuntu
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Can you use firefox to see websites?
[22:22] <xdatz> yes, pastebin worked
[22:23] <xdatz> I'll try it again
[22:23] <xdatz> same outcome
[22:24] <charlie-tca> Try this in a termianl - ping -c 4 <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:24] <xdatz> getting responses
[22:25] <charlie-tca> what command are you using to update, or is that in update manager?
[22:26] <xdatz> update manag
[22:26] <xdatz> updated list again, more items appeared, first in line are downloading
[22:27] <charlie-tca> It might work then. If not, try switching the server
[22:30] <charlie-tca> switch servers by going to Applications -> system -> software sources, 'Ubuntu software' tab, middle of window - "Download from: "
[22:38] <xdatz> charlie-tca: looks like everything downloaded now, and is installing.
[22:38] <xdatz> must have been an outdated list with old removed packages?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> could have been
[22:39] <charlie-tca> glad it worked now
[22:39] <xdatz> yep, thanks :)
[22:40] <xdatz> bye
[22:44] <Moe> Great, now ubuntuone-preferences fails to start
[22:45] <Moe> Awesome
[22:46] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938154
[22:46] <Moe> Anyone?
[22:47] <Moe> It does look like I'm missing a python support package
[22:47] <Moe> Yet, which one is it
[22:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Might be a good question for #ubuntuone, though. they are slow to answer, but know this stuff
[22:50] <Moe> Okay
[22:50] <Moe> Let's give it a try
[23:55] <Prothon> Hey, I was wondering if anyone can help me with my problem. I was wondering on how to install Xubuntu using a USB for a netbook?


[12:52] <cjwatson> Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ghc.html has stopped looking very healthy
[12:52] <Laney> cjwatson: yeah :(
[12:52] <Laney> I uploaded a new GHC :(
[12:53] <cjwatson> did its provides get bumped or something?  can they be unbumped? :)
[12:53] <Laney> I already did my ritual cathartic moan about Launchpad getting binNMU support
[12:54] <cjwatson> yeah, good luck with that
[12:54] <Laney> no they can't I'm afraid, the ABI hashes have all changed (I presume because this one is built with ghc 7 instead of ghc 6)
[12:54] <cjwatson> (I did the autosync and new-source, but given that, I don't know how much it will help)
[12:54] <Laney> likely not much
[12:55] <cjwatson> well, I'm going out for a while, but let me know if you want help with mass no-change uploads ...
[12:55] <Laney> at least it's no-change rebuilds this time
[12:55] <Laney> the tracker should be easier than the graph in this regard
[12:55] <cjwatson> yeah
[12:55] <cjwatson> just mass-upload a level at a time
[12:55] <Laney> yep
[12:55]  * Laney sighs
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Are we going to kick daily builds on again now?
[15:54] <skaet> charlie-tca, yes, they should be on again.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> They didn't build today
[15:54] <skaet> slangasek, cjwatson, ^ could one of you look into this?
[15:54]  * charlie-tca making trouble again :-(
[15:55] <skaet> lol,  good sort of trouble.  Thanks charlie-tca!
[15:55] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:42] <cjwatson> skaet,charlie-tca: done
[16:44] <charlie-tca> cjwatson: Thank you


[21:34] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 699 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue699 :D
[22:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Have the time for a PM ?
[22:09] <guiverc> can I have ~20 mins; bird feed time
[22:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: sure ! No real hurry here :)
[22:13] <krytarik> Bashing-om: The Xubuntu article should be in the Planet section.
[22:16] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack moving :D
[22:16] <krytarik> And while it's a valid link in this case, I believe we used to escape every camelcase in the text, here an occurrence of "OpenStack"
[22:18] <Bashing-om> krytarik: will look again at camelcase :D
[22:19] <krytarik> And I'd steer away from linking whole sites without specific context like CNX Software in this case.
[22:31] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ^^ Done - next ?
[22:31] <krytarik> Nil.
[22:40] <Unit193> Something linked to https://ubuntu.com//blog/commissioning-deployed-machines
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Unit193: checking ^^ :( Thanks !
[23:08] <Bashing-om> Unit193: link fixed - was truncated originally :(


[17:11] <cmaloney> ahoy
[17:12] <cmaloney> welcome to summer
[17:22] <jrwren> so hot
[17:24] <greg-g> high of 89ish today here
[17:26] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CasGB8GahZw
[17:32]  * rick_h checks weather to see if that's sarcasm or what...
[17:51] <jrwren> same here.
[17:51] <jrwren> 88 right now.
[17:52] <jrwren> glad i got out in the woods earlier when it was a little cooler.