[12:00] <Squee-D> Is there a good tool for profiling the quality of a network interface? My wireless card seems to "freeze up" intermittently and i really dont know where to start
[12:00] <ELpH95o> after i get mine working :)
[12:00] <BenUrban> jroes: if i understand what you're asking correctly
[12:00] <korhalf> Squee-D: perhaps tcpdump or ethereal to spot bottlenecks?
[12:00] <jroes> BenUrban: I'm talking simultaneous on the same machine...
[12:00] <BenUrban> oh
[12:00] <jroes> BenUrban: without a remote X session
[12:00] <xkahn> Peaker: I dunno.  There are probably lots of reasons there.  GNOME has traditionally tried to use muted colors....  GNOME apps don't look great without GNOME, sometimes.  KDE apps don't look good without KDE.
[12:00] <korhalf> Squee-D: and check ifconfig and see if your cards configured properly
[12:01] <jroes> I'm talking I guess you could say like Mac OS X or Windows XP "switch user" functionality
[12:01] <xkahn> Peaker: and, of course, it depends on what angle you approach them from.
[12:01] <StR34k> zandaa, I've used a tv tuner before, what type do you have?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> jroes im sure it is but you would need to hook up a few keyboards and stuff :(
[12:01] <dooglus> I had ubuntu (breezy) lock up for about 15 minutes earlier.  I couldn't move the mouse, type anything, switch to a virtual console, or anything.
[12:01] <jroes> ?
[12:01] <gnomefreak> windows Xp only allows one user at a time
[12:01] <cafuego> jroes: Run a second X server on tty8, log 'em in.
[12:01] <dooglus> Then it came back on its own.  What could cause that?
[12:01] <cafuego> jroes: switch via alt-F7 <--> alt-F8
[12:01] <rosen> mwe, oh it looks really nice
[12:02] <cafuego> jroes: Add as many as you like, on different tty's.
[12:02] <zandaa> StR34k, well... I've got this Medion TV Tuner, was really cheap and I don't know where the composite is mounted
[12:02] <jroes> ah, excellent
[12:02] <dooglus> It happened around the same time yesterday too, but I got impatient and rebooted then.
[12:02] <Peaker> gnomefreak: there's Switch User in Windows XP now
[12:02] <cafuego> jroes: ... add more via ltsp and xdmcp, from remote terminals. Linux doesn't care, as long as you have ram :-)
[12:02] <rosen> mwe, but it also says that there is two users on my comp ... there shouldnt be so *paranoia here I come*
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Peaker,  yes you can switch user but not run 2 users on same XP at same time
[12:02] <jroes> cafuego: excellent, thank you
[12:02] <korhalf> rosen: type last | head and check to see whos connected
[12:03] <korhalf> rosen: type w and see what they're running
[12:03] <bimberi> jroes: Applications -> System Tools -> New Login, then switch as cafuego said above
[12:03] <korhalf> use ttysnoop or something i dont know
[12:03] <Squee-D> korhalf i have it configged as best i know how. Im not seing any issues in syslog or messages, and i dont know how tcpdump/ethereal can help me.. i've used them for tcp debugging but thats quite a different kettle of fish
[12:03] <Peaker> gnomefreak: You can switch user to log in as another user, that's what switch user is all about
[12:03] <Peaker> gnomefreak: and then switch back to the open desktop..
[12:03] <korhalf> Squee-D: i think i read your question wrong, i thought you were wondering why it was slow and dropping connection
[12:03] <BenUrban> whoops
[12:03] <BenUrban> lol
[12:03] <Peaker> gnomefreak: or you can use "runas" which is like "su"
[12:03] <Squee-D> I did just find wavemon
[12:03] <StR34k> zandaa, when I was using tvtime, composite was used as an seperate input, but it was a matter of it just working.
[12:03] <korhalf> Squee-D: i can't help you, maybe its time for a new card if its dying out on you
[12:03] <rosen> korhalf, will do .. thanks
[12:04] <Squee-D> korhalf yeah its brand new :)
[12:04] <BenUrban> can someone please give me the rafb link i pasted earlier?
[12:04] <markive> got no soubnd in tux racer aswell as planet pengui8n racer any ideas
[12:04] <zandaa> StR34k, are you familliar with the Zapping software??? (can't install MythTV)
[12:04] <bimberi> BenUrban: http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html
[12:04] <jroes> ohhh, even better!  I don't even have to man xdcmp and ltsp :)
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Peaker,  you could always switch user in XP :( the way he asked it first time was like he wanted 2 users to use linux at same time
[12:04] <BenUrban> bimberi: thanks
[12:04] <StR34k> zandaa, nope, never used it, I used tvtime just to watch tv
[12:04] <Squee-D> my concern is i have had PCI/ACPI troubles already on this machine, and something to do with using edge or level triggered signals on the pci bus turns up for my mobo in the kernel bugs a lot
[12:05] <BenUrban> http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html <-- any ideas?
[12:05] <Peaker> gnomefreak: you can switch user while the existing programs of user still run
[12:05] <zandaa> StR34k, ok... installing tvtime now... how would I get input from composite?
[12:05] <StR34k> zandaa, mythtv didn't work for me
[12:05] <bimberi> BenUrban: np :) (btw line 1949 is interesting)
[12:05] <Peaker> gnomefreak: and you can use terminal services to log in from afar as another user at same time
[12:05] <Squee-D> trying to pin things down when you've had a day of problems really sucks
[12:05] <rosen> korhalf, it says I'm logged on twice ... maybe I should try that reboot I've been neglecting the past days ;)
[12:05] <StR34k> zandaa, it should just be one of the channels
[12:05] <BenUrban> bimberi: yeah i thought so too
[12:06] <BenUrban> my 3d acceleration isn't working
[12:06] <bimberi> BenUrban: unfortunately that's all i can say about it :|
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Peaker, 1st off this doesnt belong here second off you CANNOT use 2 peoples login at same time on win anything if you do as you say you can only use 1 persons at a time
[12:06] <BenUrban> lol
[12:06] <zandaa> StR34k, well I don't know how then
[12:06] <StR34k> zandaa, I think it was '+' & '-' that changed channels
[12:06] <Peaker> gnomefreak: that is just wrong, at least since WinXP
[12:06] <korhalf> rosen: no thats fine, thats normal
[12:06] <zandaa> StR34k, that's volume
[12:06] <korhalf> rosen: check last | head and if it says that peopel are logging into your computer from an external ip then you can start worrying
[12:06] <gnomefreak> ex john and mike log in you cant run program as john and mike you use one or other
[12:06] <korhalf> rosen: you dont have ssh or telnet up or anythign right?
[12:07] <StR34k> zandaa, if you right click you should get a menu
[12:07] <lightbright> bimberi: hello, hope you are well
[12:07] <zandaa> StR34k, found it... video input think
[12:07] <dooglus> rosen: what says you're logged in twice?
[12:07] <Farris1> Anyone know how to get a Dell P1500 printer working in Breezy?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Peaker,  i have xp installed on other hd
[12:07] <StR34k> zandaa, :)
[12:07] <bimberi> hi lightbright, yep not bad. You?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> one of the accounts has to be put on hold
[12:07] <lightbright> bimberi:  good thanks
[12:07] <BenUrban> http://rafb.net/paste/results/13rRn726.html <-- any ideas? anyone? Seveas?
[12:08] <korhalf> what does Network tools in system tools use? is it just a graphical front end for tools like nmap and ping
[12:08] <Linuturk> MN-520 wireless card won't work correctly. I've searched the forums for an answer, with no help. I've installed 5.10 on a compaq prosignia 120, and it just won't work with this card. Can anyone give me some input? Does anyone have the same type of card/problem? This card works fine in DSL 1.5 (another varient of debian)
[12:08] <Peaker> gnomefreak: runas, switch user, and terminal services allow everything GNU/Linux distributions allow
[12:08] <zandaa> StR34k, video input froze O_O
[12:08] <Peaker> gnomefreak: (in terms of multiple users at same time)
[12:09] <BenUrban> Peaker: i'd have to disagree :P
[12:09] <redguy> BenUrban: what about the line 1949 bimberi mentioned?
[12:09] <StR34k> zandaa, =/
[12:09] <BenUrban> redguy: i dunno why it says that
[12:09] <s0n1cm0nk3y> I cant seem to figure out how to get xterm to use the config I made in .Xdefaults, can anyone help?
[12:09] <Peaker> BenUrban: what's the difference between multiple X sessions, remote logins, su and the above-mentioned?
[12:09] <StR34k> zandaa, it had just worked for me
[12:09] <zandaa> StR34k, I know <_<
[12:09] <butcherbird> Peaker,   i normally open a cmd shell as the other user and then kill and restart explorer in the shell and same to switch back but even then i dont think there is a way to mainain two exporer shells at once
[12:09] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: run "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults" to get the file to be read by your X server
[12:09] <BenUrban> Peaker: ssh is not available through windows terminal services :P
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ok peaker you cannot run 2 ppl at same time on same windows unit you have to put one on hold i can ssh into my system and run 2 users at same time but XP wont and cant do it
[12:10] <bulio> how do I connect to my windows LAN?
[12:10] <m3thos> what package contains the "import" utility, used to take screenshots?
[12:10] <BenUrban> bulio: plug in the cord
[12:10] <BenUrban> :)
[12:10] <Peaker> butcherbird: ofcourse there is, but the desktop-controlling explorer might be exclusive, per session though. you can create a new session with switch user
[12:10] <Linuturk> MN-520 wireless card won't work correctly. I've searched the forums for an answer, with no help. I've installed 5.10 on a compaq prosignia 120, and it just won't work with this card. Can anyone give me some input? Does anyone have the same type of card/problem? This card works fine in DSL 1.5 (another varient of debian) << if anyone would like to help, send me information at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:10] <bulio> this one has cord to router
[12:10] <bulio> the other is wireless
[12:10] <Peaker> BenUrban: That's another capability altogether :)
[12:10] <BenUrban> Peaker: it's multi-user capability :)
[12:11] <Peaker> gnomefreak: You can login to Windows via multiple terminal services sessions
[12:11] <jroes> BenUrban: so what are you doing to produce this X debug output?
[12:11] <jroes> BenUrban: logging into a box via SSH and running startx? :P
[12:11] <BenUrban> jroes: lol, no
[12:11] <Peaker> BenUrban: Nah, its a tool to more easily login, with encryption.. its possible with Windows, just a bit harder (like most of everything in Windows)
[12:11] <BenUrban> this is just normal usage
[12:11] <zandaa> StR34k, where can I find out where tvtime gets it's composite input?
[12:11] <bulio> is there a networking wizard or someting?
[12:11] <jroes> BenUrban: have you tried using another monitor?
[12:11] <jroes> BenUrban: or another video card?
[12:11] <jroes> to narrow it down..
[12:11] <BenUrban> jroes: no can do
[12:12] <BenUrban> i know for sure it's a software problem
[12:12] <jroes> BenUrban: have you checked to see if your monitor and video card are supported?
[12:12] <existance> what is a good video player?
[12:12] <BenUrban> gentoo doesn't do it
[12:12] <BenUrban> jroes: it works perfectly in gentoo
[12:12] <dooglus> korhalf: I just checked the source code.  'network tools' is just a GUI front end to dig, finger, netstat, ping, ping6, tcptraceroute, traceroute, traceroute6, and whois.
[12:12] <gnomefreak> Peaker,  ok but if im not mistaken XP or anyother win products do not come defaul like that unless you mean use a DOS term while loged into xp
[12:12] <jroes> same Xorg version?
[12:12] <gandalf> server dune.irc-hispano.org
[12:12] <StR34k> zandaa, not sure, it should be a seperate device file in /dev/
[12:12] <tristan_> I need some help regarding networking setup
[12:12] <gandalf> server arrakis.irc-hispano.org
[12:12] <Peaker> gnomefreak: WinXP has terminal services installed by default, I believe
[12:12] <BenUrban> jroes: it also worked fine for a day or two in ubuntu
[12:13] <existance> what is a good video player?
[12:13] <BenUrban> the same ubuntu setup i have now
[12:13] <StR34k> zandaa, /dev/video(n)
[12:13] <jroes> BenUrban: and then what did you do :)
[12:13] <rosen> korhalf, no nothing like that.. only one can telnet into my computer and I trust him completely so that should be fine... I'm pretty sure I'm allright, the only thing firestarter has been cathing the last two days are traceroutes
[12:13] <Peaker> gnomefreak: which allows for remote gui logins
[12:13] <zandaa> StR34k, I know, but how do I know which device is the composite?
[12:13] <korhalf> dooglus: what about the port scanning? nmap?
[12:13] <butcherbird> existance, mplayer :)
[12:13] <gandalf> existance, mplayer
[12:13] <BenUrban> jroes: i enables Seveas' repository :/
[12:13] <existance> thankx
[12:13] <s0n1cm0nk3y> dooglus heres my .Xdefaults, does this look ok? I have a black background, but my foreground wont show up http://pastebin.com/465925
[12:13] <dooglus> korhalf: I don't see it using nmap.  I'll look again.
[12:13] <existance> thanks rather
[12:13] <StR34k> zandaa, most of the time it's the second
[12:13] <gandalf> mplayer is the best
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Peaker,  what your saying sounds like ssh for windows?
[12:13] <redguy> existance: vlc, xine
[12:13] <zandaa> StR34k, ok thanks, I'll try it
[12:13] <jroes> BenUrban: lol, so leave him an email that it breaks your box and give him steps to reproduce :)
[12:13] <StR34k> zandaa, the actual tuner being the first
[12:13] <BenUrban> lol
[12:13] <existance> does mplayer have a syn package?
[12:13] <rosen> dooglus, Gkrellm
[12:13] <jroes> BenUrban: tell him exactly what you did, maybe even copy relevant parts of your .bash_history
[12:14] <BenUrban> jroes: i don't have his email address
[12:14] <bimberi> existance: yes - in the multiverse repository
[12:14] <BenUrban> jroes: heh, i did what he told me to to get x to start again at all
[12:14] <gnomefreak> from my understanding vista is posed to come with it but win XP as of atleast lastyear didnt have it by default
[12:14] <gandalf> where are the official repositorios because I can download mplayer but I cant
[12:14] <jroes> hunt him down:  Dennis Kaarsemaker
[12:14] <zandaa> StR34k, maybe I can read in tvtime's config files
[12:14] <gnomefreak> !info mplayer
[12:15] <gandalf> !info mplayer
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell gandalf  about sources
[12:15] <jroes> he's got a blog according to google, he wrote a pastebin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:15] <concept10> !info xubuntu
[12:15] <gandalf> gnomefreak,  I don understand you sorry but I dont speaks englis very well
[12:15] <BenUrban> thanks jroes
[12:15] <jroes> call him :)  +316 252 353 46
[12:16] <StR34k> zandaa, not sure... sorry man...
[12:16] <gnomefreak> spanish?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> !es
[12:16] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:16] <BenUrban> jroes: lmao
[12:16] <zandaa> StR34k, it's ok:)
[12:16] <gandalf> gnomefreak,  yes spanish ;)
[12:16] <gnomefreak> try #ubuntu-es
[12:17] <gandalf> ah ok thanks gnomefreak  ;)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:17] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: exactly what you have works for me.
[12:17] <concept10> what other window managers are lightweight and featurefull other than xfce and fluxbox?
[12:17] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: did you "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults" after editing it?
[12:17] <diesel> concept10: I like sawfish
[12:17] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: you have to do it after every change - or restart X of course
[12:17] <gnomefreak> blackbox (fluxboxremake) enlightenment there are a bunch
[12:17] <gnomefreak> !wm
[12:17] <ubotu> No idea, gnomefreak
[12:17] <zandaa> StR34k, I opened nautilus and went to /dev/ on video I see a arrow at the top, what's that?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> !windowmanager
[12:18] <Ricker> what do I use for an ftp server in ubuntu?
[12:18] <ubotu> gnomefreak: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> oh i give up ubotu
[12:18] <MoonRanger> trying to install the gtk library but cant find it in the synaptic package manager .. anyone know where i can find it in the package manager
[12:18] <dooglus> korhalf: port scanning is done by the program itself.  it doesn't use nmap
[12:18] <concept10> diesel, I will check that out and maybe fluxbox....
[12:18] <Ricker> !ftp
[12:18] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Ricker
[12:18] <diesel> concept10: what features are you after?
[12:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> dooglus well the problem is that all I get is a black background, and I cant see whats being typed
[12:19] <butcherbird> Ricker, i like vsftpd or pure-ftpd
[12:19] <m3thos> what package contains the "import" utility, used to take screenshots?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> concept10,  theres a site with a list of them for X and i dont have it anymore nad ubotu must not know of it
[12:19] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: what if you specify "-fg yellow" on the command line to xterm?  that fixes it right?
[12:19] <Ricker> butcherbird: which is easiest to install? or are they both?
[12:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> dooglus my .Xdefaults is in ./home/s0n1cm0nk3y/, is that right?
[12:19] <dooglus> m3thos: imagemagick
[12:19] <concept10> diesel, I like gnome, been on it for two years, but I want something with good features but is lightweight, maybe I will try xfce for a while
[12:20] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: if that first . is a typo then yes.
[12:20] <s0n1cm0nk3y> dooglus, yeah I can get it through commands, but Im trying to make it perminent
[12:20] <Ricker> !botsnack
[12:20] <ubotu> thanks ricker :)
[12:20] <diesel> concept10: I have tried xfwm inside gnome...I like this setup.  I do not like metacity at all
[12:20] <butcherbird> Ricker, vsftpd is pretty easy just install it and go.  edit the /etc/vsftpd.conf file for whatever u want
[12:20] <Ricker> !ftpserver
[12:20] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Ricker
[12:20] <s0n1cm0nk3y> dooglus lol, yeah it was a typo
[12:20] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: run "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults" and then try xterm again.
[12:20] <Ricker> butcherbird: ok cool
[12:20] <diesel> concept10: If you like gnome, then I wouldn't use sawfish by itself
[12:20] <gnomefreak> xfce is a good win man it combines lightweight with a feel like gnome/kde well compared to flux where its empty :9
[12:21] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sweetness
[12:21] <MoonRanger> trying to install the gtk library but cant find it in the synaptic package manager .. anyone know where i can find it in the package manager
[12:21] <_nano_> does anyone have ati radeon 7500 card? could you help me configure X for the same?
[12:21] <concept10> diesel, u use that instead of GDM?
[12:21] <s0n1cm0nk3y> it works now, thanks dooglus
[12:21] <Ricker> wonder why ubotu doesn't have info on an FTP server
[12:21] <gnomefreak> sawfish is very light isnt it?
[12:21] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: I told you that 3 times.  did you miss the first 2?
[12:21] <diesel> gnomefreak: xfce is not a window manager...it is a desktop environment.  xfwm is the window manager
[12:21] <diesel> concept10: I don't use gdm
[12:22] <Ricker> butcherbird: is vsftpd in the synaptic repo? or is there some other way to install it? apt-get, etc.
[12:22] <s0n1cm0nk3y> dooglus lol, no it wasnt the xrdb, I realized i had a little typo in there, the pastbin i gave you was apparently before I made the typo :/
[12:22] <concept10> diesel, sawfish looks like early gnome!
[12:22] <gnomefreak> diesel,  i knew that sorry i was doing something else
[12:22] <dooglus> s0n1cm0nk3y: uh, ok.
[12:22] <dooglus> rosen: what does 'who' in a terminal show you?
[12:22] <diesel> concept10: it was, then gnome changed to metacity...wrong move in my opinion
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ok this doesnt work like lynx :(
[12:22] <ELpH95o> fvwm is gooood
[12:23] <ELpH95o> i like blackbox the best
[12:23] <rosen> dooglus, rosendah :0           Dec 13 18:22
[12:23] <rosen> rosendah pts/0        Dec 13 20:10 (:0.0)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> w3m is not a reg net browser is it?
[12:23] <dooglus> rosen: that looks ok to me
[12:23] <gnomefreak> it looks mor elike a file browser
[12:23] <butcherbird> Ricker, i have multiverse enabled..not sure if its in universe or not
[12:23] <dooglus> rosen: you've got a terminal open.  close it, and you'll see one less user I guess
[12:24] <rosen> dooglus, I can't do a who in terminal without a terminal open though ;)
[12:24] <concept10> ah blackbox looks nice
[12:24] <dooglus> rosen: good point.
[12:24] <MoonRanger> trying to install the gtk library but cant find it in the synaptic package manager .. anyone know where i can find it in the package manager
[12:24] <_jason> rosen, type: 'w' and look under WHAT
[12:24] <DRK13> what
[12:24] <corvax> is there a package that can record any sound going through my audio card
[12:24] <Ricker> butcherbird: I'm pretty sure I enabled multiverse.  though I never knew why in the hell they tell you to do that as I don't know what it's for.  Are you saying the ftp software is in there?
[12:24] <dooglus> rosen: but gkrellm should update anyway.
[12:25] <dooglus> rosen: or, open another terminal and do 'who' again.  you should see 3 entries now.
[12:25] <BenUrban> Ricker: multiverse is for anything that's not free
[12:25] <butcherbird> Ricker, type apt-cache search vsftpd .   Shows up for me
[12:25] <corvax> kind of like woretap in osx or total recorder in wondows
[12:25] <corvax> wire*
[12:25] <Ricker> so vsftpd you have to pay for?
[12:25] <dooglus> Ricker: free as in freedom
[12:26] <butcherbird> Ricker, sudo apt-get install vsftpd or use synaptic its free
[12:26] <concept10> to install xfce, is the package xubuntu-desktop?
[12:26] <concept10> !xfce
[12:26] <ubotu> well, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[12:26] <Kero351> does anyone know how to get flash to install? im new to linux...
[12:26] <rosen> dooglus, gkrellm still says two users .. I'll try that WHAT thing... sounds suitable
[12:26] <_nano_> !ati
[12:26] <ubotu> hmm... ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[12:26] <_jason> ubotu, tell Kero351 about flash
[12:27] <cowbud> xulrunner ehh
[12:27] <cowbud> hrmm
[12:27] <cowbud> interesting
[12:27] <rosen> dooglus, rosendahl@rosendahl-ubuntubox:~$ w
[12:27] <rosen>  00:27:06 up 2 days,  6:40,  2 users,  load average: 1.15, 1.23, 1.79
[12:27] <rosen> USER     TTY      FROM              LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
[12:27] <rosen> that's my w return
[12:27] <butcherbird> Ricker, by default i think it allows anonymous ftp so you might want to change that from yes to no in /etc/vsftpd.conf
[12:27] <dooglus> rosen: you're going to be in SOOOO much trouble for that! :)
[12:27] <sidarisik> hi
[12:27] <Ricker> Butcherbird: ok good tip, ty
[12:28] <rosen> dooglus, for WHAT ? ... I didnt do nothing :O
[12:28] <dooglus> rosen: you PASTED!!! and that's NAUGHTY!
[12:28] <DRK13> * haha
[12:28] <rosen> dooglus, oooh
[12:28] <cowbud> yawn
[12:28] <dooglus> rosen: but seriously - you saw no output other than the 2 header lines?
[12:28] <DRK13> zzzzzz wha
[12:28] <taft> hello
[12:28] <rosen> dooglus, nope
[12:28] <s0n1cm0nk3y> um back, and Im wondering if I can run gnomes file manager in xfce, and also what is gnomes file manager command name so I can make a launcher of it
[12:29] <LjL> s0n1cm0nk3y: nautilus
[12:29] <MoonRanger> trying to install the gtk library but cant find it in the synaptic package manager .. anyone know where i can find it in the package manager
[12:29] <LjL> MoonRanger: libgtk2.0-0
[12:29] <cowbud> yawn
[12:29] <tuv> guys.. i'm considering migrating from debian to ubuntu. any differences i should now about before doing so?
[12:30] <MoonRanger> how do i go about installing that
[12:30] <_jason> tuv, do you know about ubuntu's use of sudo?
[12:30] <LjL> MoonRanger: "sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-0"
[12:30] <rosen> dooglus, I think I'll try that reboot ... I've done so much funky things on this box since that last one I'm not sure what will happen :P
[12:30] <rosen> brb... maybe
[12:30] <MoonRanger> k
[12:30] <tuv> _jason, breifly
[12:30] <LjL> MoonRanger: but, why do you think you don't have GTK installed? it's there by default in every Ubuntu, as Gnome *uses* GTK
[12:30] <s0n1cm0nk3y> LjL AHHH wtf mate, it just gave me desktop icons, changed my theme, and my wallpaper....
[12:30] <_jason> ubotu, tell tuv about sudo
[12:31] <taft> where would i go to find out if ubuntu will work on my laptop
[12:31] <MoonRanger> trying to install TurboPrint and it told me i dont have it installed
[12:31] <_jason> tuv, you can read that if you'd like, don't know what else would be different
[12:31] <LjL> s0n1cm0nk3y: look at the help, i suppose there is probably some option to tell it to behave as "file manager only"
[12:31] <butcherbird> taft, download the livecd
[12:31] <MoonRanger> its printer drivers for my Canon IP3000
[12:31] <Kuyaedz> anyone fairly fluent in bash scripts?
[12:31] <LjL> MoonRanger: perhaps it needs gtk 1.2
[12:31] <tuv> _jason, all conffiles are in the same fs locations?
[12:31] <s0n1cm0nk3y> k
[12:31] <taft> ok ty
[12:32] <_jason> tuv, don't know, i've never used debian but the sudo thing is a common question here
[12:32] <Kuyaedz> taft: or check out the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[12:32] <_nano_> what do terms like "GLcore", "ddc", "bitmap" in my xorg.conf mean? where can I get more info behind using more of such terms?
[12:32] <LjL> Kuyaedz: what's the problem?
[12:32] <MoonRanger> know where i can find a simple printer driver for a Canon IP3000
[12:32] <xangel36> can someone help me i want to install java on my ubuntu using the apt-get can some one tell me how?
[12:32] <taft> k thanx
[12:32] <taft> cyaz
[12:32] <_jason> MoonRanger, have you checked linuxprinting.org?
[12:32] <tuv> _jason, thanks
[12:32] <LjL> MoonRanger: linuxprinting.org is the best resource
[12:32] <MoonRanger> k
[12:33] <Kuyaedz> LjL: I'm trying to setup a bash script to run bittorrent & continue sharing my ubuntu .iso.  I have a template if you can take a look & help me customize it?
[12:33] <kyncani> xangel36: go to ubuntu wiki
[12:33] <s0n1cm0nk3y> LjL crap got disconnected, um where is this help I must go to?
[12:33] <LjL> s0n1cm0nk3y: just type "nautilus --help", and see if there's some option that can do it. i don't have nautilus installed myself, so i can't check
[12:33] <xangel36> cant i do it in terminal?
[12:34] <LjL> Kuyaedz: uh i'm not sure i've understood. the script would run bittorrent, and then...?
[12:34] <kyncani> xangel36: you can, follow the wiki (i think)
[12:34] <doosht> can anyone help me with ubunyu here?
[12:34] <butcherbird> xangel36, j2re1.4 i believe
[12:34] <doosht> ubuntu i mean
[12:34] <Kuyaedz> LjL: it would run bittorrent & resume sharing the ubuntu-install.iso that I have
[12:34] <doosht> how can i get my screen res to 1280x1024? the option does not come up
[12:34] <jjazz> What's the recommended app to burn a CD on a Breezy box?
[12:35] <Kuyaedz> jjazz: I use gnomebaker
[12:35] <linkd> doosht: should you monitor allow that res?
[12:35] <doosht> yes
[12:35] <bimberi> doosht: have a look here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:35] <gnomefreak> jjazz, anyone you want i used k3b and gnomebaker
[12:35] <zandaa> jjazz, gnome-baker should work fine
[12:35] <doosht> its 19" LCD
[12:35] <butcherbird> jjazz, or k3b if u dont ming apt-getting like 115mb
[12:35] <xangel36> tank u butcherbird
[12:35] <linkd> doosht: ok then u may neeed to edit the xorg config
[12:35] <LjL> Kuyaedz: ok, i don't have bittorrent installed, so let me get it
[12:36] <doosht> it doesnt seem like my graphics is installed right also.
[12:36] <jjazz> Yeah, I'm not looking to pull all off kde-base for one CD... gnomebaker it is.  Thanks.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> LjL,  yes you do its installed by default in breezy
[12:36] <Kuyaedz> LjL: this is a template I found but I want to make sure its custom for my system (don't read script very well yet) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5799
[12:36] <gimmulf_> how do i get codecs to mplayer so i can play wmv files?
[12:36] <LjL> gnomefreak: unless my breezy is kubuntu :)
[12:36] <rosen> dooglus, still two users ... I think it's intentional somehow
[12:36] <linkd> doosht: if the editing doesnt work i doubt i can help you. /etc/X11/xorg.conf is where the config is you need to add larger resolutions in the display subsections further down
[12:37] <LjL> gnomefreak: (also, that something is installed by default doesn't mean i haven't removed it ;)
[12:37] <gnomefreak> LjL,  ok your right i give :)
[12:37] <bimberi> ubotu tell gimmulf_ about w32codecs
[12:37] <linkd> doosht: hope that helps
[12:37] <richard__> How would I access a file on a cd with grecord
[12:37] <dooglus> xangel36: type "sudo apt-get install j2re1.4" to install java
[12:37] <rosen> dooglus, I'm my computer suffers from skizophrenia but I dont think it's likely since I have no dual boot
[12:37] <dooglus> rosen: did you run a terminal again?
[12:37] <rosen> dooglus, nah
[12:37] <markive> actually got no sound in any games  , weird
[12:37] <dooglus> rosen: if you run a terminal, does the count go up to 3?
[12:37] <xangel36> ok
[12:37] <gnomefreak> !java
[12:37] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:38] <rosen> dooglus, yeah
[12:38] <tuv> is there an azureus package for ubuntu?
[12:38] <LjL> Kuyaedz: agh, it's full of bittorrent specific stuff i really don't know about!
[12:38] <gnomefreak> apt-get wont instlal java unless he has multi enabled
[12:38] <LjL> tuv: no
[12:38] <markive> got sounds everywhere else ,and lbreakout2 tux racer  , planetpenguin racer
[12:38] <markive> anyone know?
[12:38] <dooglus> rosen: each terminal you run should add one to the count, and when you close them the count will go down again - maybe after a second or two
[12:38] <butcherbird> tuv, but u dont really need to install it just download and unpack and run
[12:38] <markive> got sound everywhere else in ububtu
[12:38] <Kuyaedz> LjL: I was mostly worried about the variables at the top.  ie; the SERVER=.  does that need to be MY server?
[12:39] <rosen> dooglus, yeah what took me by surprise was that it started out with two users.. but maybe one of the startup programs 'add a user' somehow
[12:39] <LjL> Kuyaedz: i'd say yes
[12:39] <dooglus> rosen: what about "w" now?  still the same empty output other than 2 header lines?
[12:40] <xangel36> ate they any virus scanners that i can get via terminal?
[12:40] <tuv> LjL, butcherbird: but this is strange as there is one already in debian. why wasn't it included in ubuntu?
[12:40] <Kuyaedz> LjL: let me give it a try, thanks..  (normally I'd use the GUI but I'm trying to set this up on my webserver)
[12:40] <ghb> Is there an Firefox 1.5 ubuntu package available?
[12:40] <DRK13> clamav
[12:40] <gnomefreak> clamav
[12:40] <dooglus> clamav
[12:40] <gnomefreak> and youll need clamfresh to go with it
[12:40] <dooglus> gnomefreak: I think it comes as standard?
[12:40] <rosen> dooglus, nah now there's an output... better put it in #flood ;)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> unless it installs it by default
[12:40] <DRK13> ya  I dont like old clam
[12:41] <dooglus> rosen: OK, I'm there now
[12:41] <butcherbird> tuv, just one of those unanswerable questions :)
[12:41] <ciprian> How do I add from repository the dapper flight 2 ones?
[12:41] <tuv> butcherbird: :-)
[12:41] <ciprian> I want to make updates to it...
[12:41] <LjL> ciprian: what about not doing that? ;)
[12:41] <dooglus> rosen: that looks very much like you have two terminals running inside GNOME
[12:41] <richard__> I have a song on my cd I want to rip i'm not sure how though
[12:42] <dooglus> rosen: can you paste the output of "ps -Hefrosendah" please as well?
[12:42] <Kuyaedz> richard_: I use sound juicer or cd ripper.. should be installed by default
[12:42] <ciprian> LjL: I want to make updates to it... because I want to test GNOME 2.13 and that is the best oportunity to do that
[12:42] <rosen> dooglus, allright sec
[12:42] <dmlinux> Anyone know any tricks to save on battery life inside of UBUNTU ? (im running KDE but thats alright )
[12:42] <dooglus> rosen: it'll be big-ish
[12:42] <dmlinux> for laptops
[12:43] <viperX> Hello!
[12:43] <dmlinux> hi
[12:43] <gnomefreak> ciprian, if dapper uses 2.13 they havent backported it yet that i know of cause i havent seen an update for it yet
[12:43] <DRK13> soup!
[12:43] <dooglus> dmlinux: does the hard disk spin constantly?
[12:43] <viperX> Has anyone heard of a library called libstd++-dev?
[12:43] <rosen> dooglus, not really .... ERROR: Unsupported SysV option.
[12:43] <dmlinux> dooglus i dont know... how do i check (in windows right now )
[12:43] <gnomefreak> viperX,  what about it?
[12:43] <dooglus> rosen: can you paste the output of "ps -Hfurosendah" please as well?
[12:43] <ciprian> gnomefreak: what I shold do then?
[12:44] <LjL> ciprian: dapper is a *development* version, it's not intended for end users, and it may well screw up your system, etcetera. don't use it unless you know what you're doing very well
[12:44] <fojtr1am> hooray, I've install kernel on debian from ubuntu sources
[12:44] <ciprian> last time garnome fails
[12:44] <dooglus> rosen: sorry - got the flags wrong...
[12:44] <dmlinux> dooglus is that the noatime 1,1 option ??
[12:44] <ciprian> Ljl: I have the previous Ubuntu 5.10... there is no problem with that
[12:44] <PoW> How do I add items to my gnome applications menu?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ciprian,  i dont and wont say upgrade to dapper cause its in testing
[12:44] <viperX> I need it for a karamba I'm trying to compile, but it's not in my package manager and I can't find it using apt-get.
[12:44] <dooglus> dmlinux: that's good.  it means "don't write to the disk whenever a file is accessed" - it means the disk should spin up less often.
[12:44] <gnomefreak> 5.10=breezy=stable as all hell
[12:44] <dmlinux> dooglus any other tips?
[12:44] <viperX> I was wondering if anyone knew were I could get it.
[12:44] <LjL> ciprian: if you have ubuntu 5.10, then keep ubuntu 5.10.
[12:45] <gnomefreak> hold on viper
[12:45] <DRK13> what is the apt-get command to upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10??
[12:45] <ciprian> :)) I want to test a newer Ubuntu... I have webcam for instance and it is said that have better support for webcams...
[12:45] <viperX> thanks gnomefreak
[12:45] <ciprian> I really want to see that
[12:45] <ciprian> If doesn't work well I'll return to Ubuntu 5.10
[12:45] <LjL> ciprian: and you're going to install it over your current, working ubuntu 5.10 (breezy). correct?
[12:45] <markive> i not crashed ubuntu 5.10 yet  , i've tried  , its good  , but as a new user to linux thee's a few uneasy problems
[12:45] <DRK13> distupgrade?
[12:45] <dooglus> dmlinux: using ext3 apparently causes the disk to keep spinning, as it writes its journal every 5 (?) minutes.  reiserfs might be a better choice
[12:45] <Kuyaedz> DRK13: check out the wiki here... (one sec)
[12:46] <ciprian> I don't want support for Drapper
[12:46] <LjL> ciprian: the only way to "return to ubuntu 5.10" will be reinstalling it from scratch
[12:46] <gnomefreak> nope viperX  the way you typed it either not there or i have it :(
[12:46] <_jason> viperX, try: apt-cache search 'libstd++.*-dev'
[12:46] <dooglus> gnomefreak: I've had breezy hang up for 15 minutes twice in the last 2 days - it's not quite as stable as all hell...
[12:46] <ciprian> LjL: why you think only the worse scenario? Let's surpose that works good
[12:46] <_jason> viperX, there are a few versions
[12:46] <Kuyaedz> DRK13: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade?highlight=%28breezy%29%7C%28upgrade%29
[12:46] <butcherbird> DRK13, replace any instance of 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list with 'breezy' then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:46] <dmlinux> dooglus reiserfs??? is that an app i need to isntall?
[12:46] <ElBarono> whory
[12:46] <gnomefreak> dooglus,  i havent had a problem at all with it
[12:46] <viperX> thanks, i'll try that! ")
[12:46] <viperX> :)
[12:46] <DRK13> ty
[12:47] <gnomefreak> it all depends on hardware and stuff
[12:47] <zandaa> can anyone help me with tvtime?
[12:47] <markive> dooglus how? what did you do?
[12:47] <LjL> ciprian: it WILL NOT work good, because it's a *development* version, and as such it's *intended* to have bugs and crashes and to not work and so on. that's the point!
[12:47] <dooglus> dmlinux: it's installed already, but it's a different filesystem.  switching from ext3 to reiserfs is probably more trouble than it's worth
[12:47] <ciprian> Ljl: except keyboard, videoboard and mouse (let's add the display and soundcard) the Ubuntu makes me only to look to webcam, printer and scanner
[12:47] <gnomefreak> _jason, synaptic and aptcache search didnt find anything
[12:47] <_jason> gnomefreak, I found 4 versions
[12:47] <dooglus> markive: both times I was downloading a bunch of stuff using azureus, copying a huge file onto a windows shared folder and watching a movie.
[12:47] <gnomefreak> libstd++-dev <<<<
[12:48] <dooglus> markive: I would expect doing those 3 things together to maybe degrade performance a little, but to cause a 15 minute lock-up seems extreme.
[12:48] <markive> i agree
[12:48] <_jason> gnomefreak, ah yeah not of that, I just told him to look at the results and see if that's what he was looking for
[12:48] <markive> dooglus i would have thought i't been ok  ,
[12:48] <lightbright> how can you see the ban list?
[12:48] <MighMoS> dmlinux, mounting /tmp as tmpfs would spin the harddisk less
[12:48] <fcser> hello
[12:48] <dooglus> markive: just copying a large file onto a cifs-mounted windows share causes the pc to crawl.  I don't know why.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> _jason,  ahhhh
[12:49] <lightbright> fcser: hi
[12:49] <ciplogic> Ljl: how do I set up the repository anyway to the Ubuntu 6.04?
[12:49] <linkd> lightbright: you mean /mode #chan b?
[12:49] <fcser> im attempted to install the ati linux driver on ubuntu
[12:49] <gnomefreak> change breezy to dapper
[12:49] <dmlinux> dooglus anything else to save on battery power?
[12:49] <markive> dooglus , maybe you HD getting hot?
[12:49] <LjL> ciplogic: anyway, i don't know the repository URLs. i suppose simply changing "breezy" into "dapper" in /etc/apt/sources.list will work.
[12:49] <dooglus> markive: I think maybe lots of stuff is getting swapped out to free memory for the file-cache.  but I don't know.
[12:49] <fcser> attempting*
[12:49] <ciplogic> thank you... I'll try right now :)
[12:49] <dooglus> markive: maybe.  I don't know.
[12:49] <LjL> ciplogic: good luck
[12:50] <fcser> sudo ./ati* does not work do you need to make a "root" account to load the ati drivers?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> it will but last time i tried it failed bad :(
[12:50] <dooglus> dmlinux: I can't think of anything other than the obvious
[12:50] <markive> dooglus is it a laptop?
[12:50] <dooglus> markive: yes.
[12:50] <fcser> this is a fresh install of ubuntu
[12:50] <MighMoS> dmlinux, mount /tmp as tmpfs would save battery power, as the computer wouldn't have to spin the hard disk
[12:50] <gnomefreak> <<<was pissed nothing worked not apt-get not xchat :( i was gonna cry
[12:50] <dooglus> markive: running "md5sum" on a big file doesn't cause any slowdown - so I don't think it's a disk problem.
[12:50] <dmlinux> MighMoS i wouldnt think thats the only thing i could do to save on battery power
[12:50] <dooglus> markive: it's only when I try to shove large files out the LAN socket that I see bad slowdowns
[12:51] <MighMoS> No, but its one thing you could od
[12:51] <MighMoS> *do
[12:51] <dmlinux> any other suggestions?
[12:51] <markive> i found with my laptop when watching a movie  if i have the laptop on the arm of the sofa or on my bed  , it makes the agp card overheat  , so i wouldn't be supprised if it was a heat problem
[12:51] <markive> what laptop is it?
[12:51] <lightbright> linkd: yeah thanks
[12:51] <daemon> isnt battery-life better with specific kernel (ie 686)?
[12:51] <s0n1cm0nk3y> can someone help me with my media problem, whenever I try to watch a movie I have no sound and it plays in a sort of fast forward speed
[12:52] <linkd> no if you're gonna quit we're not!
[12:52] <dmlinux> daemon i have i 686 kernal installed
[12:52] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: what player?
[12:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> sorry it accidently hit the x button, but can someone help
[12:52] <ciplogic> LjL, gnomefreak: thank you... works :)
[12:52] <s0n1cm0nk3y> um totem
[12:53] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: try installing totem-xine?
[12:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral I installed it using apt-get install totem-xine
[12:53] <Kyral> hmm
[12:53] <dooglus> markive: it's an old dixon's laptop.  2.2GHz P4
[12:53] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: does this happen with VLC?
[12:53] <markive> totem is weak
[12:53] <selinium> What is the command line for changing FLAC files to WAVs?
[12:53] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral let me install vlc
[12:53] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: install vlc-plugin-alsa as well
[12:54] <markive> dooglus eek  , not patriot?
[12:54] <dmlinux> MighMos any ideas?
[12:54] <dooglus> markive: no, it's an advent 7009
[12:54] <lightbright> markive: whats weak about totem?
[12:54] <dooglus> markive: http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/7009.htm
[12:54] <markive> i never made totem play anything... vlc, xine or mplayer will play anything
[12:55] <MighMoS> dmlinux, what have you done so far?
[12:55] <markive> obviosly xmms for mp3
[12:55] <tuv> isn't w32codecs available for ubuntu?
[12:55] <dooglus> markive: totem gets a bit better if you throw away the gstreamer stuff and install totem-xine instead
[12:55] <DRK13> Not legally
[12:55] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral vlc doesnt even show video
[12:55] <markive> tuv yes it is thank god
[12:55] <butcherbird> totem and xine both seem bloated i use mplayer in windows too and it does the job nicely
[12:55] <fcser> ok I have the ATI installer going on ubuntu, does the "automatic" install work fine or should i generate a distro ati installer
[12:56] <dooglus> rosen: I don't understand what your problem is.  gnome-terminal seems to be running two shells - but you only see one tab?
[12:56] <lfop> vlc is like.. all you need. for all your medie-needs.
[12:56] <markive> dooglus beware
[12:56] <dmlinux> MighMos the Fstab thing , thats it
[12:56] <dooglus> markive: of?
[12:56] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral totem-xine showed video, but vlc just gives me the progress bar
[12:56] <nickrud> but vlc is uuugly
[12:56] <selinium> tuv, you got the message from ubotu?
[12:56] <rosen> dooglus, yeah
[12:56] <markive> i tried planetpenguin racer before installing the ati driver stuff
[12:56] <markive> it kn ackered it
[12:56] <rosen> dooglus, if I use the tab dropdown it also only show the one I'm in
[12:57] <markive> vlc is ugly  , but your not watching the gui when your watching a film
[12:57] <MighMoS> dmlinux, Apparently hdparm supports a "-B" option, that takes a value up to 255 (255 disabling it).
[12:57] <rosen> dooglus, it's not really a problem though since now I know that I AM the only user on my computer ... I was just getting paranoid when I saw that more than one user was registered
[12:57] <nickrud> but I know it's there, it's like, bloat only visual :)
[12:57] <dooglus> rosen: I just noticed that even if you run 3 separate terminals, there's only one gnome-terminal process.
[12:57] <MighMoS> dmlinux, lower values == better life, higher values == better performance
[12:57] <DRK13> QFT Markiv
[12:58] <PoW> How do I setup my mic?
[12:58] <dooglus> rosen: so it could be that you have 2 separate terminal windows up - and one of them isn't visible for some reason
[12:58] <tuv> selinium: yes. i was busy reading the  link
[12:58] <selinium> np, just checking! :)
[12:58] <DRK13> lol goodye internets,   I love you.
[12:58] <tuv> markive, selinium: but why not from universe/multiverse?
[12:58] <DRK13> goodbye!
[12:59] <Navire> Hi, folks
[12:59] <rosen> dooglus, hmm could be, but it's odd since I just rebooted and only opened one.. though could it be that one of the processes in the startup uses the terminal and then minimizes so I can't see it ?
[12:59] <livinded> has anyone had problems with xbuntu not giving a rigth click menu and going to a black and white backgorund that isn't chanegable?
[12:59] <dooglus> rosen: I'd still like to find out what it is.  and anyway - there's no reason not to be paranoid - it could be that someone has set it up to open a terminal on a remote display every time you log in!  :)
[01:00] <tuv> markive, selinium: can't i just add the nerim repository to my sources.list?
[01:00] <selinium> tuv, the codecs have licensing issues, ie WINDOWS licenses, if you use them you aree supposed to have 'bought' windows at some poin
[01:00] <selinium> t
[01:00] <livinded> last night it was fine and when i booted up this morning i was like this
[01:00] <rosen> dooglus, you just dont want me to sleep well at night do you ? :D
[01:00] <dooglus> rosen: i'm only half joking.
[01:00] <markive> Tuv  i just copyied the win32 folder to /usr/lib
[01:00] <brownie17> rosen, KDE opens everything you had open when you last logged off when you start up
[01:00] <tuv> selinium: at least to take care of upgrading
[01:01] <nickrud> tuv, no, do not do that: you almost certainly break your system that way (if you're not totally aware of what you're doing)
[01:01] <dooglus> rosen: it's odd that you've got an extra terminal running that you can't account for
[01:01] <selinium> tuv, i would not advise that. if you do that, any time anyone updates something in nerim (which might break your ubuntu system) you will be advised to update
[01:01] <brownie17> can anyone help me, i need to find out all the information i can about my sound card
[01:01] <markive> brownie17 what info?
[01:01] <selinium> tuv, you can add it, but only use it for a particular download, then disable it...
[01:01] <brownie17> markive, name, brand, model
[01:01] <tuv> selinium, nickrud: is this the case for all third-party debian repositories?
[01:01] <rosen> dooglus, hehe it's very odd... Do you think Nessus or something else could check for unaccounted users ?
[01:02] <dooglus> rosen: can you go back to #paste?
[01:02] <nickrud> tuv, yes
[01:02] <rosen> brownie17, yeah but I use Gnome ;)
[01:02] <markive> brownie17  , sorry don;'t know that card
[01:02] <nickrud> tuv, you can go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and look for the codecs. There's a simple install method there.
[01:02] <rosen> dooglus, huh ?
[01:02] <brownie17> rosen, then that is strange. did you once accidnetly activate the "save desktop" button?
[01:02] <rosen> !#paste
[01:02] <ubotu> rosen: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:02] <markive> kde apps run in gnome
[01:02] <dooglus> rosen: the channel, I mean
[01:02] <zandaa> what do I need to compile IVTV?
[01:02] <rosen> dooglus, #flood ?
[01:03] <markive> whats ivtv?
[01:03] <livinded> has anyone had problems with xbuntu with their right-click menu not showing upand  a black and white pattern as the background that you can't change?
[01:03] <selinium> tuv, yes, apart from known ubuntu repos that you trust, be aware that whatever you chose to be in your repos, will ultimately make or break your system
[01:03] <dooglus> rosen: yes, sorry!  :)
[01:03] <markive> tuv
[01:03] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral any ideas?
[01:03] <brownie17> rosen, the way to find out if that is it is to close all windows, and log off with save desktop enabled, then log on again. if the terminal is still there, the secret government hackers are going to kill you, but otherwise, your all fine and dandy :)
[01:03] <zandaa> markive, IVTV is support software for TV Tuners
[01:03] <rosen> brownie17, I might have :D
[01:03] <markive> tuv just download it to your desktop (win32 folder) then copy to usr/lib/
[01:04] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: sorry I didn't catch your reply lol was playing with my router
[01:04] <markive> zandaa is it anygood? i like tvtime
[01:04] <rosen> brownie17, afaik the only kde app I got is skype and I dont run that anymore
[01:04] <bradley_> any ideas on fixing a video/audio sync problem on Mplayer, xmms, etc.?
[01:04] <markive> skype works on ubuntu
[01:04] <zandaa> markive, I can't get tvtime to accept composite input without the actual input freezing
[01:04] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral, lol, no worries, vlc doesnt show any video it just ives me a progress bar
[01:04] <zandaa> markive, and I don't know yet cuz I can't compile
[01:04] <markive> lol soz
[01:05] <nickrud> s0n1cm0nk3y, is this with all videos, or just one?
[01:05] <brownie17> rosen, this is nothing to do with KDE apps, i don't use gnome, so i cant be sure with breezy, but with hoary there was an option in the logoff applet that allowed you to save everything on desktop
[01:05] <To-Me> if I'm pluggin in a usbstick into a fresh breezy install and nothing happens - where do i have to look for?
[01:05] <Zugot> 4200 rpm drives are too slow.
[01:05] <selinium> tuv: wget http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl//pool/breezy-extras/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb    and then   sudo dpkg -i /path/to deb
[01:05] <Zugot> i'm getting a 7200 for the laptop
[01:05] <lightbright> Zugot: thats very slow
[01:05] <rosen> brownie17, ah ok I definatly didnt do that
[01:05] <brownie17> To-Me, you might not have privelages to veiw them. you do not by default
[01:05] <lightbright> Zugot: get the 10,000+
[01:05] <Zugot> this is rediculous
[01:05] <s0n1cm0nk3y> nickrud, all videos, Ive been checking different formats
[01:05] <markive> zugot i want one
[01:06] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: what kind of movie are you plaung?
[01:06] <Zugot> lightbright: its in my laptop...
[01:06] <markive> my dell d600 needs a faster drive
[01:06] <s0n1cm0nk3y> Kyral a skate video in avi format
[01:06] <lightbright> Zugot: what brand is it?
[01:06] <Kyral> s0n1cm0nk3y: codec?
[01:06] <Zugot> 8 hours to back up an 80 gb windows partition
[01:06] <brownie17> rosen, well try it anyway, at least you might have a chance of not being tracked by secret government hackers!
[01:06] <Zugot> lightbright: i don't know... whatever compaq put in there
[01:06] <lightbright> Zugot: is it filled with 80gig data?
[01:06] <brownie17> Zugot, that's a long time. should not take that long
[01:06] <To-Me> brownie17: it has nothing to do with privileges, it does not get recognized by the system at all
[01:06] <lJlolel> do you know how Mac's have that thing where you go in the corner and then all the windows shrinka nd you can see them all easily to switch between windows?
[01:06] <rosen> brownie17, hehe I'll try that a little later :P
[01:06] <lJlolel> is there something like that for Linux?
[01:06] <livinded> can someone help me with xubuntu, my right-click menu isn't showing up and  a black and white pattern as the background that you can't change? it was fine last night but when i bootedup this morning it was like this
[01:06] <lightbright> Zugot: I had a Comcrap notebook once, sold it :P
[01:06] <To-Me> brownie17: i mean /var/log/syslog etc
[01:07] <Zugot> lightbright:  75GB
[01:07] <markive> i'm putting a blutooth internal module in  , and i'm upgrading to a 802.11a/b/g card  , soon to arrive from ebay
[01:07] <markive> :0
[01:07] <butcherbird> livinded, i just noticed sam problem here one sec
[01:07] <Zugot> i like my compaq... i just upped the mem to 2GB... the 15.4 screen is nice.   the hd gets upgraded next
[01:07] <brownie17> To-Me, you sure? okay, the usb port you used, is it a pci card? or is it part of the m/b, what?
[01:07] <brownie17> To-Me, because you might not have drivers for it.
[01:07] <s0n1cm0nk3y> I have w32 codecs, libdvdcss2, libmad0, libdvdread3, lame, sox, ffmpeg, mjpegtools, vorbis-tools, gstreamer 0.8* (just reading off what I put after apt-get
[01:08] <tuv> selinium, markive: i'm familiar with these workarounds.. i just don't want to worry about installing packages not in the repositories. i'm trying to decide whether i should migrate from debian to ubuntu or not. These are advantages of debian over ubuntu.
[01:08] <Zugot> 100MB/min... i'm not used to these slow speeds
[01:08] <To-Me> brownie17: its part of the box/laptop
[01:08] <markive> i'm sure is in one of the repositories
[01:08] <markive> lemme look
[01:08] <nickrud> tuv, wherever you get the codecs from, it's from outside the repositories
[01:08] <nickrud> *debian
[01:09] <lJlolel> Is there a linux alternative to mac's spotlight?
[01:09] <To-Me> it doesn't recognize pcmcia too
[01:09] <tuv> nickrud: i can add nerim repository to my sources.list in debian safely
[01:09] <lJlolel> Is there a linux alternative to mac's expose?
[01:09] <lJlolel>  i mean
[01:09] <brownie17> To-Me, was it a package deal? because if it is an acer or something, they give you an image that installs itself with all the drivers, so the thing would work without them on windows, but not on linux. try finding out the info and searching driverguide.
[01:09] <selinium> tuv, debian and ubuntu share the same kind of system update architecture. With both you can add repos and break your system, the difference is that in Ubuntu the community is much more helpful IMHO
[01:09] <brownie17> who knows how to find the brand name and stuff of my sound card?
[01:09] <nickrud> tuv, sure, and you could add seveas
[01:09] <markive> nope , not in the package manager
[01:09] <To-Me> brownie17: no package, its an old acer laptop
[01:09] <nickrud> 's as well, it's a pretty safe external repository
[01:10] <markive> then you'll have to copy it there manualy
[01:10] <bshumate> lJlolel: there's Kompose for KDE, but such things typically suck in Linux as they lack the hardware acceleration which makes them nice in OS X
[01:10] <To-Me> usb and pcmia are working with debian sarge
[01:10] <lJlolel> ic
[01:10] <selinium> tuv pm?
[01:10] <tuv> selinium: sure
[01:10] <brownie17> To-Me, my advice, stick with sarge.
[01:10] <nickrud> it's just that ubuntu is so new, and the repositories are even younger. I'll let them mature a bit.
[01:10] <markive> the only mistake i found sofar is the ati driver slowed my d600 down to death  , it has a radeon m 9000
[01:10] <markive> it killed it
[01:11] <markive> this ubuntu reminds my abit of zandros
[01:11] <brownie17> who knows if it is possible to discover information about my soundcard? I.e brand name?
[01:11] <daemon> brownie17, try lspci
[01:12] <thomthom> Read the numbers on it
[01:12] <thomthom> Run em through Google
[01:12] <markive> brownie , take the side of the machine a grab a torch
[01:12] <thomthom> hahahahaha
[01:12] <nickrud> brownie17, lspci should tell you that stuff
[01:12] <thomthom> Unless he prefers a hammer
[01:12] <brownie17> thomthom, it is part of the m/b.
[01:12] <markive> if he has windows run belarc
[01:13] <markive> then what board is it
[01:13] <thomthom> Ah, onboard.....gotcha
[01:13] <markive> thats even easier
[01:13] <markive> make model and ver
[01:13] <nickrud> brownie17, and if that doesn't, try lshw
[01:14] <markive> i can't get no sounds outta the games :( :(
[01:14] <livinded> can someone help me with xubuntu, my right-click menu isn't showing up and  a black and white pattern as the background that you can't change? it was fine last night but when i bootedup this morning it was like this
[01:14] <markive> everything else is cool
[01:15] <nickrud> markive, is esd running? if so, you probably need to kill it to run your games
[01:15] <brownie17> nickrud, awesome, i got it. good on you
[01:15] <markive> whats esd?
[01:15] <markive> brownie17 (y)
[01:15] <cgnet> _jason why when my computer boot, dialing to connect to the internet?
[01:15] <nickrud> markive, it's the sound daemon for gnome; try lsof /dev/dsp , and see if esd has claimed the sound device
[01:15] <Nytryx> mhz?
[01:15] <markive> k
[01:16] <To-Me> brownie17: thats no alternative, cause this wlan usb stick works out of the box on my normal breezy desktop box
[01:16] <brownie17> To-Me, i am no expert, keep asking around
[01:16] <nomin> does anyone in here use amarok on ubuntu?  For some reason it won't play internet radio streams, but totem will.  Does anyone know why this is?
[01:16] <markive> gonna reboot  , brb
[01:16] <Nytryx> hey is there an apt-get install xfce-desktop?
[01:16] <To-Me> brownie17: ok thx
[01:17] <mustard5> Nytryx, I think you install xubuntu-desktop to get xfce
[01:17] <mustard5> !xfce
[01:17] <ubotu> [xfce]  a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[01:17] <Nytryx> xubuntu-desktop?
[01:18] <cgnet> why when my computer boot, dialing to connect to the internet?
[01:18] <Nytryx> just need a light weight WM for a 500mhz system
[01:18] <s0n1cm0nk3y> ubotu I have xfce installed, but what exactly does xubuntu-desktop do?
[01:18] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, s0n1cm0nk3y
[01:18] <To-Me> Nytryx: try wmii
[01:18] <Aphix> How do I delete a folder in terminal
[01:18] <mustard5> cgnet, did you set up your dialup settings through the Administration>>Networking gui?
[01:18] <Nytryx> to-me wmii is there a apt get for it?
[01:18] <s0n1cm0nk3y> lol, whoops
[01:19] <s0n1cm0nk3y> mustard5, what does xubuntu-desktop do, I have xfce but what does xubuntu-desktop give you?
[01:19] <To-Me> Nytryx: don't think so, http://wmii.de
[01:19] <nickrud> Aphix, if the folder is empty, rmdir /path/to/folder
[01:19] <Aphix> thanks
[01:19] <Nytryx> is it in the universe?
[01:19] <mustard5> s0n1cm0nk3y, I would assume the same thing..I have never tried it.  But from the bot message its seems to install xfce
[01:20] <cgnet> mustard5 I used the terminal to create a connection
[01:20] <To-Me> Nytryx: fluxbox or iceWM are alternatives, small and fast
[01:20] <nickrud> s0n1cm0nk3y, the simplest way to see what xubuntu-desktop gives you is to check it: apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <daemon> xubuntu-desktop installes all xfce-packages
[01:20] <mustard5> cgnet, hmmm ok...I had that problem myself once, but I thought it was related to having my settings in the Networking gui...
[01:20] <Nytryx> yeah ive used them they just take some getting used too
[01:21] <Nytryx> and there a pain to get looking the way i want them too
[01:21] <mustard5> cgnet, somehow you have set up dial on demand..I'm not sure how it is even setup, so I'm not sure how to fix it either
[01:21] <Nytryx> like have you seen the DSL desktop
[01:21] <Nytryx> Damn smann linux
[01:21] <mustard5> cgnet, I'll have a look at pppdconfig and see if dial on demand is setup that way
[01:22] <cgnet> thanx mustard5
[01:23] <Nytryx> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-fb.2.0.jpg
[01:23] <mustard5> cgnet, yeah..pppconfig has a demand dialing setting...so go in and change your current configuration to disable dial on demand
[01:23] <mustard5> cgnet, its in the advanced settings
[01:24] <mustard5> cgnet, ubuntu tries to contact a ntp time server to synch the clock during bootup...so thats what it is doing
[01:24] <mustard5> cgnet, you could even go into Administration>Services and try turning off the part where it tries to synch the clock
[01:25] <Nytryx> how many *ubuntu-desktops are there?
[01:25] <Aven> hi, everytime I open Totem, I get:
[01:25] <Aven> There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[01:25] <Sionide> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager
[01:25] <Aven> what kind of pluggins do I need?
[01:25] <Sionide> top marks ^^ bloody wicked
[01:25] <mustard5> Nytryx, ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu as far as I know
[01:25] <Nytryx> edubuntu
[01:25] <Nytryx> hummm
[01:26] <cgnet> mustard5 I just checked it and it is allready disabled
[01:26] <nickrud> I've heard some people are messing with fubuntu as well
[01:26] <mustard5> Nytryx, ah ok and edubuntu :)
[01:26] <viperX> what is the aclocal.m4 file?
[01:26] <Nytryx> fubuntu as in a fluxbox
[01:26] <mustard5> cgnet, you could even go into Administration>Services and try turning off the part where it tries to synch the clock
[01:26] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me out... my drive shows "0 bytes" of free space, but I can't for the life of me find the files that are taking up that space.  Is there a way to view 'really' hidden files on ext3 partitions?  or can I run some kind of tool to get that space back that is seemingly not in use... or can I rescue the files I thought I should see?
[01:27] <Nytryx> i just need a desktop thats funcitional on a system W/550mhz and 128mb of ram
[01:27] <mustard5> Nytryx, heh..I didnt know about that one
[01:27] <Nytryx> which one?
[01:27] <mustard5> Nytryx, xfce is no good?
[01:27] <bur[n] er> Nytryx: xubuntu does the trick usually, it's light
[01:28] <Nytryx> im checking it out now
[01:28] <cgnet> mustard5 in services I have also turned off the sync
[01:28] <Nytryx> thats the beuity of haveing 6 systems to toy with
[01:28] <nickrud> bur[n] er, du --max-depth=1 / | sort -n will point out where most of your disk space is used; you can then check dirs under that dir
[01:28] <mustard5> cgnet, I'm out of ideas then soz
[01:28] <bur[n] er> thanks nickrud
[01:28] <Nytryx> And yeah! i got my PPC disks in the mail today
[01:28] <mustard5> cgnet, do you have entries in your networking gui for dialup ?
[01:28] <mustard5> cgnet, if so try disabling them
[01:29] <cgnet> anyway thanx mustard5
[01:29] <Rustednail> Soundray:  Thanks for the help the other day, my problem ended up being the nvidia drivers, once I installed the new ones, I was up and running with no problems
[01:29] <WebLOCH> hey all
[01:30] <butcherbird> Nytryx, maybe try vector linux on that machine.. I wasnt really happy with performace on my old celeron 500mhz with xubuntu
[01:30] <WebLOCH> I followed the ubuntu wiki on installing apache and php, but I have noticed PHP only executes if I store it in its own .php file, I cannot execute it from a .html file ?
[01:30] <bur[n] er> wow, thank you so much nickrud !!!
[01:30] <bur[n] er> i found my files :)
[01:31] <nickrud> bur[n] er, pretty obvious, eh :)
[01:31] <Nytryx> vector gave me problems with the net config it kept trying to config the network as Inet not eth0 and it was a pain
[01:31] <bur[n] er> nickrud: 18 gigs sticks out ;)
[01:31] <mustard5> cgnet, another idea..check Users and Groups and see what users have access to the dialout group?
[01:31] <Nytryx> but i might give it a shot agian ubuntu has a huge repository of stuff im sure i'll find a WM ill like
[01:31] <butcherbird> Nytryx, but its slackware even when its a pain its kinda charming :)
[01:31] <Nytryx> yeah
[01:32] <dooglus> how many users, rosen?
[01:32] <Nytryx> xfce seem to be running stable now to tweak it to my liking
[01:32] <Nytryx> 649
[01:34] <Navire> Ubuntu + LTSP  is slow. I will like  use Ubuntu with LTSP  with olds clients Petioum 100 32 RAM and floppy, no Edunbuntu. Someone can help me?
[01:34] <Nytryx> ok why is it that the keyboard repeat is way up
[01:35] <cgnet> mustard5 there is not a dialout group
[01:35] <Nytryx> so turn it off
[01:35] <mustard5> cgnet, hmm strange
[01:35] <mustard5> cgnet, did you tick show all groups?
[01:36] <mustard5> cgnet, its at the bottom of the networking gui
[01:37] <WebLOCH> Any takes for an apache2/php4 configuration problem ?
[01:37] <cgnet> you are right
[01:38] <mustard5> cgnet, I only have actual users in the dialout group ..so I am curious whether you have a user other than a normal user account in there
[01:38] <mustard5> cgnet, if you know what I mean :)
[01:38] <chombee> Hey - anyone here know anything about the dev version of Dapper? The latest release announcement mentions improved SATA RAID support, and I'm wondering it this means it's likely the installer will support my friends fakeraid chipset?
[01:38] <cgnet> mustard5 in group members it has me and the cupsys
[01:39] <mustard5> cgnet, ah ok...well you could try removing cupsys :)  You could always put it back ;)
[01:39] <Newb> hi i just got a toshiba satellite L25-S1196, booted it into windows to make sure it worked and am trying to install breezy from a known good cd.. it starts to boot and then the screen goes black and it locks up
[01:39] <ajmitch> chombee: not knowing anything about what the chipset your friend has, I don't know..
[01:39] <daemon> WebLOCH, i could give it a shot :)
[01:40] <cgnet> mustard5 ok I did it
[01:40] <mustard5> cgnet, I have no cupsys in mine, so I am assuming its not necessary
[01:40] <markive> back
[01:40] <mustard5> cgnet, I've just got normal user accounts
[01:41] <khermans> How can I filter the /usr/share/words file for strings of length 6?
[01:41] <mustard5> cgnet, I'm guessing a bit here...so no guarantees ;)
[01:41] <cgnet> thanx mustard5
[01:41] <ldy> Hi, Is there a recommend tools which can replace SecureCRT?
[01:41] <cgnet> I will reboot to check
[01:41] <mustard5> cgnet, k
[01:42] <roughtrader> I want to add HandelGotD.ttf font to breezy, anyone know how to do this?
[01:42] <chombee> ajmitch - well, it's a Silicon Image 3112A, it uses a proprietary fakeraid driver, Windows only
[01:42] <mustard5> !fonts
[01:42] <ubotu> fonts is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[01:42] <WebLOCH> daemon, cheers for offering, you mind moving to a PM to continue ?
[01:43] <daemon> WebLOCH, np
[01:43] <cgnet> mustard5 do you know how can I get the status of my connection (speed, etc)?
[01:43] <mustard5> cgnet, do you use gnome-ppp to connect?
[01:44] <mustard5> cgnet, actually I just looked at gnome-ppp and its got nothing on connection speed..hmmm
[01:44] <cgnet> yes
[01:44] <nomin> what is the latest version of amarok made for ubuntu?
[01:45] <mustard5> cgnet, I'll have  think about it and see if I can recall something
[01:45] <ajmitch> chombee: it might be something you'd just have to try
[01:45] <cgnet> ok mustard5
[01:46] <mustard5> cgnet, any reason to think there is a problem with your connections speed?
[01:46] <starscalling> eh
[01:46] <chombee> ajmitch - thanks
[01:46] <starscalling> i was wondering how i can get ssl working... trying to use scp to log into linux machine from windows machine annd i get refused/timeout error
[01:47] <polpak> starscalling, you have to install the ssh daemon
[01:47] <Aven> hi, how do I make my connection have its special hostmask?
[01:47] <WebLOCH> daemon, can you see the PM ?
[01:48] <cgnet> mustard5 I think that my connection is much slower than usually when I used windows
[01:48] <roughtrader> hmm seems the HandelGotD.ttf file I downloaded is corrupt or soemthing
[01:48] <roughtrader> can't even view it with fontviewer
[01:48] <starscalling> ah ha! thanx polpak
[01:48] <polpak> starscalling, np =)
[01:49] <mustard5> cgnet, well with gnome-ppp you can view the details and it shows you the rates at which you are downloading something, so you could try looking at that while you are downloading a web page
[01:49] <markive> XKILL kicks ass
[01:49] <markive> lol
[01:50] <mustard5> cgnet, what speed did you set it up with in pppconfig?
[01:50] <mustard5> cgnet, 115200 ?
[01:50] <dcj> hi, does anyone know where i can get multimedia codecs to play mp3s for my ubuntu 5.04 ? (hp laptop)
[01:50] <cgnet> 115000
[01:50] <mustard5> !w32codecs
[01:50] <HighHopes> Hello! I've installed Ubuntu as SERVER and now I'm having some problems.. I need to change locale because I can't see graphical symbols (e.g. boxes borders in mc) in terminal emulators... How can I reconfigure locale?
[01:50] <markive> anyone know how i can remote my xp machines  , like in radmin?
[01:50] <mustard5> dcj https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba
[01:51] <ldy> Anybody can recommend me a tool which replace Window's SecureCRT?
[01:51] <Toma-> ldy: what is securecrt?
[01:51] <_jason> ldy, the terminal
[01:51] <HighHopes> !locale
[01:51] <ubotu> HighHopes: Syntax error in line 1
[01:51] <markive> idy i wish i could help but dont know what it is
[01:51] <ldy> _jason, the terminal can not save bookmark and password.
[01:52] <cgnet> mustard5 I followed the instructions of ubuntu documentation
[01:52] <dcj> mustard5 thank you
[01:52] <mustard5> cgnet, do you normally connect via a proxy on windows?
[01:52] <ldy> Toma-, SecureCRT is a tools which manage the machine I can login to. It save the machine ip address and username,password.
[01:52] <mustard5> dcj, its on that page somewhere anyway :)
[01:53] <cgnet> mustard5 no
[01:53] <WebLOCH> ldy, how about VNC ?
[01:53] <ldy> _jason, If I login to 5 servers, I will lost, I did not know who is who.
[01:53] <Toma-> so you can log into a machine without knowing the IP before...?
[01:53] <mustard5> cgnet, hmmm..I'm reading some forum threads on the subject atm
[01:53] <ldy> WebLOCH, VNC is a graphic login tools.
[01:53] <daemon> WebLOCH, I see it, and Im talking there....
[01:53] <markive> what ubuntu package will let me remote my xp machines?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[01:53] <ubotu> methinks ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[01:53] <dougsko> hi guys
[01:54] <WebLOCH> daemon, okay, im not getting any messages, unless you mean you WILL be talking there?
[01:54] <dougsko> anyone here ever add a modeline to their xorg.conf?
[01:54] <nosralboo> I am having problems with my terminal
[01:54] <nosralboo> after I type a command, it shows me ">"
[01:54] <ldy> What I need is a tool which can manage the ipaddress&username&password for several servers and I can loginto this servers easily.
[01:54] <daemon> WebLOCH, Ive been saying stuff... weird...
[01:55] <ldy> And I can find which termianl is for which server.
[01:55] <ldy> Make sense?
[01:55] <LjL> nosralboo: that's probably because you've forgotten to close some kind of quotation mark
[01:55] <markive> idy i need the same
[01:55] <dooglus> nosralboo: that's because you've left a ' or " or ( unclosed
[01:55] <LjL> nosralboo: type ctrl+c to exit that prompt
[01:55] <dougsko> im trying to get my refresh rate to 70 hz instead of 75hz, so i used gtf to make a modeline, added it to the monitors section and restarted x, but it didnt work
[01:55] <ldy> markive, the original terminal is not suitable for us :)
[01:55] <nosralboo> I know that
[01:56] <nosralboo> but it doesn't activate the command
[01:56] <nosralboo> and I didn't leave either of those unclosed
[01:56] <markive> is it bash?
[01:56] <daemon> never done this myself, but on my gentoo-box I have a file named 70_mod_php.conf witch looks promesing....
[01:56] <LjL> nosralboo: please paste the command
[01:56] <WebLOCH> daemon, would you mind repeating here then ?
[01:56] <mustard5> cgnet, there is a thread here in which a solution to monitoring your connection speeds is suggested..try reading it over and see how you go http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59737&highlight=dial+connection+speed
[01:56] <nekostar> hey
[01:56] <markive> how do i remote my xp machines?
[01:56] <WebLOCH> daemon or we could /join an empty room ?
[01:56] <nekostar> anyone want some dual wallpapers?
[01:56] <ldy> markive, What I use now is write a script, but it's really not very good.
[01:56] <cgnet> ok mustard5
[01:56] <daemon> WebLOCH, never done this myself, but on my gentoo-box I have a file named 70_mod_php.conf witch looks promesing....
[01:56] <nekostar> markive whats that?
[01:57] <nekostar> what exactly do you want to do to em ;)
[01:57] <ldy> markive, remote your xp machine?
[01:57] <nekostar> desktop session?
[01:57] <WebLOCH> daemon, ahh ive looked through the confs and nothing seems out of place, I assume I have to edit an apache conf but everyone claims it works out of the box
[01:57] <markive> i have 8 machines on xp here , 1 mandrake and this d600 xbuntu
[01:57] <markive> yeah
[01:57] <markive> remote it
[01:57] <sklav> hi guys anybody ever encounter an issue when inserting a cdrom into the cd drive the system reboot?
[01:58] <nekostar> well
[01:58] <WebLOCH> markive, you should find "Terminal Services Client" on your menu
[01:58] <daemon> WebLOCH, i dont think it does... try the extension .phtml
[01:58] <Aven> lol
[01:58] <nekostar> there is the remote desktop viewer
[01:58] <Toma-> markive: you want a gui or a terminal?
[01:58] <nekostar> yes that client
[01:58] <dougsko> markive: you can use vnc for remote desktop
[01:58] <nekostar> it can handle anything from a standard windows session to vnc
[01:58] <ldy> markive, try rdesktop
[01:58] <base0608> Does anyone know if SETI for Linux has a graphics yet?
[01:59] <markive> i need a gui
[01:59] <sklav> base0608, i dont know if anything changed with boinc client but it used to
[01:59] <markive> i'm slow
[01:59] <mustard5> cgnet, are you basing your download speed perfomance on firefox downloading web pages?
[01:59] <WebLOCH> daemon... that seemed to work... is that the new craze now?
[01:59] <base0608> I have Bonic, but it has no pretty graphics like the windows version does...
[01:59] <WebLOCH> daemon, are all HTML files containing PHP meant to be renamed to '.phtml' ?
[02:00] <sklav> base0608, old version of seti had to be started with the --graphics option
[02:00] <sklav> to get graphics like on windows
[02:00] <markive> looks like terminal t will workserver clein
[02:00] <sklav> check the info on how to start it
[02:00] <daemon> WebLOCH, dunno, I always use .php... but somwhere in your apache config files, not necesarily the main one, there is a line like this one:
[02:00] <markive> dam keyboard
[02:00] <netdur> dapper can't boot in vmware!!! it says "can't access tty: job control turned off" then gives me shell
[02:00] <daemon> WebLOCH, AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml
[02:00] <base0608> sklav, I see. Thanks for your help
[02:00] <markive> i'm new to laptop keyboards
[02:00] <daemon> WebLOCH, which makes it work....
[02:00] <markive> feck
[02:01] <sklav> np
[02:01] <Toma-> base0608: http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_7537.html is a gkrellm plugin?
[02:01] <markive> thanks for you effort
[02:01] <Nytryx> anyone know hoe to remove the task bar in xubuntu?
[02:01] <Toma-> base0608: http://www.boinc.dk/index.php?page=mirror_download_file&id=53 is a boinc gui?
[02:02] <Nytryx> *how
[02:02] <mustard5> base0608, when I was using boinc it had a boinc manager of some kind that was a gui
[02:02] <WebLOCH> daemon, the phtml worked already
[02:02] <markive> man i need to sleep...
[02:02] <cgnet> mustard5 when I said the speed of my connections I mean when I download any software the rate is very slow. some times is only 800bytes
[02:02] <markive> i'm addidted to playing wit ubuntu on my laptop
[02:03] <WebLOCH> daemon, what im saying is, if i have a file thats predominantly HTML, i thought convention was to name it .html
[02:03] <mustard5> cgnet, k
[02:03] <base0608> mustard5: It does have the manager, but it don't have the graphics like the MS version. I will give those links a shot that Toma gave me.
[02:03] <daemon> WebLOCH, if it contains a slight amount of php I always call it .php, since its processed before it's sent...
[02:03] <mustard5> base0608, k
[02:04] <cgnet> mustard5 on the other hand with the same hardware when I am using windows the rate is usually 3 to 4 Kbytes
[02:04] <mustard5> cgnet, yeah...bit strange really
[02:04] <WebLOCH> daemon, i guess that makes sense, i feel very silly, thanks for correcting me haha, dont suppose you woudl care to explain the sites configs to me ?
[02:04] <Toma-> cgnet: have tou tried disabling ipv6? might not do much tho
[02:05] <Fergus> is it possible to restore the menu bar to its position (the upper part of the screen) ? It teleported itself on the left edge and I can't move it
[02:05] <mustard5> cgnet, I'm lost as to what it might be as my dialup is fine
[02:05] <cgnet> mustard5 for this reason I wanted to check the speed of my connection
[02:05] <daemon> but anyways, I believe you kan ad something like AddType application/x-httpd-php .html
[02:05] <daemon>  to enable php in .html. Never tried it though, so it might do terrible things
[02:05] <daemon> WebLOCH, you mean virtual hosts?
[02:05] <mustard5> cgnet, so apparently dialup can be ok..judging from mine..so its something specific to your setup it would seem
[02:05] <cgnet> mustard5 I am afraid that the driver of my modem has the problem
[02:05] <mustard5> cgnet, are you on a connexant winmodem?
[02:06] <cgnet> mustard5 yes
[02:06] <mustard5> cgnet, using the linuxant drivers?
[02:06] <cgnet> mustard5 yes
[02:06] <mustard5> cgnet, k well they are crippled to run at 14.4 kbps until you pay a licence fee to get full speed
[02:07] <cgnet> mustard5 really?
[02:07] <mustard5> cgnet, yep
[02:07] <cgnet> mustard5 I didnt know that
[02:07] <mustard5> cgnet, check the linuxant site..its all there :)
[02:07] <sklav> mustard5, that is so stupid of these companies making pay extra for drivers that should ship by default
[02:07] <mustard5> cgnet, I would get an external modem that connects to your serial port instead
[02:08] <mustard5> cgnet, I had the same issues
[02:08] <sklav> go to ebay
[02:08] <mustard5> cgnet, I didnt even have a credit card to pay them for the licence fee, so I just went out and bought a new modem
[02:08] <cgnet> mustard5 propably you right
[02:08] <sklav> hardware modems are sold for almost nothing
[02:09] <mustard5> cgnet, a hardware modem will use less of your cpu too ;)
[02:09] <cgnet> mustard5 I have an external modem but when I tried in my desktop it didnt work either
[02:10] <sklav> misconfigured
[02:10] <sklav> most likely external modems usually work perfectly
[02:10] <mustard5> cgnet, hmm k...well you might try that one again
[02:10] <mustard5> cgnet, you could always have them both connected I suppose :)
[02:10] <sklav> /dev/ttyS0 or something like that if on serial port 1
[02:11] <Toothpick> Can someone check to see if xvidcap is in ubuntu world or global source?
[02:11] <cgnet> mustard5 it was a diamond supraexpress 56e pro
[02:11] <dougsko> so what is everyone's favorite movie player?
[02:11] <sklav> i always like xine
[02:11] <sklav> but mplayer is very popular
[02:11] <mustard5> cgnet, I would google up that brand of modem and make sure it is not a 'controllerless' modem
[02:11] <dougsko> im using vlc now, and ive always liked it cause it plays many formats
[02:12] <sklav> ok im off for the evening
[02:12] <Siph0n> vls is what i use :)
[02:12] <sklav> always a pleasure
[02:12] <Siph0n> vlc
[02:13] <Denver79>   !   ?
[02:14] <UbuntuNewbee> hi
[02:15] <UbuntuNewbee> can anyone tell me how to install my sound card in ubuntu?
[02:16] <Denver79>
[02:16] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, what brand of sound card?
[02:16] <HighHopes> Hello! I installed  Ubuntu Breezy as server (clean installation) and later I've installed Xorg... I can't use deadkeys.. I configured them in xorg.conf but I still can't :( ... What do you recommend me?
[02:16] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: is there a command i can run to find that out?
[02:16] <Aven> Denver79: what the hell are you doing?
[02:17] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: like a pci_scan command
[02:17] <UbuntuNewbee> lspci...i or something like that.
[02:17] <rednaxel> I would LOVE to have a command "ineed"... then use it: ineed some-filename (pause while it works out where it is)... then apt-get install some-weird-package-name-that-provides-my-file automagically
[02:18] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, well that would only work if linux recognises it already I would think
[02:18] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, you could try sudo lshw to list all your hardware
[02:18] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, have you used the pastebin before?
[02:18] <mustard5> ubotu: tell UbuntuNewbee about the pastebin
[02:18] <M_Cheevy> howdy folks.. figured I'm pop in to kill some time while I apt-get ubuntu-desktop on the new install
[02:18] <WebLOCH> daemon yeah I meant virtual hosts
[02:19] <WebLOCH> every time i try writing a file for one, apache2 yelps and i hide for a bit
[02:19] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, check for a pm from ubotu about the pastebin...you can copy and paste the output you recieve and then hit send and it will create a unique URL which you can show me so I can see the output
[02:19] <Denver79> Aven: That, that - I learn you ignoramuses to Russian  :-)
[02:20] <mustard5> rednaxel, there is a website called package.ubuntu.com it has search functions
[02:20] <Siph0n> is there ne way to see a list of packages that havent been used in a while, so i can get rid of some not needed things? :)
[02:20] <mustard5> rednaxel, packages.ubuntu.com sorry
[02:21] <Nytryx> "blah blah im a dirty tramp"
[02:21] <UbuntuNewbee> ubotu: pastebin
[02:21] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:22] <mustard5> Siph0n, there is a way of finding orphan packages ...I just dont recall the command
[02:22] <Siph0n> mustard5, k thanx :)
[02:22] <Toothpick> can someone on ubuntu do an apt-cache search xvidcap please.
[02:23] <yubimusubi> I'm installing AMD64 ubuntu linux on my dad's comp (64-bit sempron 2600+) and it's not detecting the SATA hd
[02:23] <yubimusubi> Is there an update/upgrade I need for it?
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> whats the chipset yubimusubi ?
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> nforce4?
[02:24] <yubimusubi> Dr_Willis: Ummm, I'm using an ASUS K8 mobo...
[02:24] <wij> sata is recognized as SCSI on my pc
[02:24] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: pastebin completed.
[02:24] <yubimusubi> Idunno about the chipset...I don't think it's nforce, lemme check
[02:24] <mustard5> Toothpick, I just tried to do it but I need to apt-get update first on my dialup connection ;)
[02:24] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, ok..show me the URL it created
[02:24] <korhalf> any idea why firefox just crashes sometimes?
[02:24] <korhalf> i mean i click on a link or something, and then it just completely closes, it doesnt happen all the time
[02:24] <yubimusubi> wij: Yes, that's how it's supposed to be...it's ubuntu Hoary btw..I'm d/ling breezy as we speak...perhaps that'll work better?
[02:24] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: sata?  or sata raid?
[02:24] <Dr_Willis> wij,  the sata modules make it show up as a scsi :P
[02:25] <korhalf> just out of the blue i click on a hyperlink or image and it just closes.
[02:25] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: I'm not seeing my soundcard for some reason. :(
[02:25] <mustard5> korhalf, same happens on my system
[02:25] <Dr_Willis> yubimusubi,  yea - use 5.10 definiatly
[02:25] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Just a SATA HD...No RAID, although the mobo supports RAID
[02:25] <wij> Maybe you should download dapper dragon
[02:25] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, you have to copy and paste the new URL it creates in here for me to see it
[02:26] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, I would say its not recognising your sound card then
[02:26] <korhalf> mustard5, any idea why that happens though?
[02:26] <yubimusubi> Dr_Willis: Do you think 5.10 will detect my SATA out of the box?
[02:26] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: cool, just checking, most new mobo's sata raid is a little tricky to get installed (if you're doing dualboot)
[02:26] <korhalf> mustard5, i think firefox is whack, im using Opera from now on
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> yubimusubi,  it saw mine.
[02:26] <wij> Take the latest release " UBUNTU DAPPER DRAGON"
[02:26] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, you could try lspci as well
[02:26] <brenner> korhalf: maybe try running in terminal.  it might spit out some error messages when it closes
[02:26] <mustard5> korhalf, I suspect its java related
[02:26] <Knorrie> wij: you mean Dapper Drake
[02:26] <yubimusubi> Dr_Willis: The livecd runs no prob...and the x86 of Hoary Live detects the sda no prob
[02:26] <M_Cheevy> wij: is that a release? or is it still "testing"?
[02:26] <wij> yes it's a release
[02:26] <mustard5> korhalf, I'm not really sure...it happens at different times and I have seen no real rhyme or rythmn to it all
[02:27] <nathan148209> how to fix my installation for STAROFFICE?
[02:27] <Knorrie> wij: it will be.... april 06
[02:27] <M_Cheevy> wij: when was it "official"?
[02:27] <M_Cheevy> Knorrie: Phew! Thanks!
[02:27] <yubimusubi> I would install Gentoo, but my dad's not really a linux user...and there's no DHCP in this house
[02:27] <bshumate> firefox has all grades of buginess with respect to java/javascript, flash, and buggy extensions make it even worse
[02:27] <dbernar1> nathan148209: staroffice?:)
[02:27] <nathan148209> its keep me bugging about java
[02:27] <wij> 10-2005
[02:27] <Knorrie> M_Cheevy: Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger is the release now
[02:27] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, lsmod should show you if any modules are being loaded that relate to sound as well
[02:28] <nathan148209> staroffice 8
[02:28] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: I have a  Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI CT4810
[02:28] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: you did start up the install with the "netcfg/dhcp_disable=true" flag?
[02:28] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Yea, but that's not what I'm worried about.
[02:28] <AudioMove> Whats the GUI network card configuration toll called under KDE?
[02:28] <M_Cheevy> Knorrie: that's what I thought... I'm apt-get'ing ubuntu-desktop as we speak...
[02:28] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, hmmm..I would think that would work without issue...strange
[02:28] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, I'm going to  google that model name and see what I get
[02:29] <Siph0n> mustard5, deborphan does the trick i believe....
[02:29] <nickrud> nathan148209, I think you'd need to install a java, and then point staroffice at it
[02:29] <M_Cheevy> Knorrie: would be a drag if I had been a version behind....
[02:29] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5:  ok, i will do the same.
[02:29] <nathan148209> yup, i have java installed
[02:29] <jrattner1> Anyone know shellscript? I need to edit this file so it can accept filenames with spaces...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5801
[02:29] <mustard5> Siph0n, ah ok :)
[02:29] <nathan148209> i also converted a new java & still not working
[02:29] <nickrud> nathan148209, there's a configuration in openoffice, it's probably the same in star, a sec
[02:30] <Knorrie> M_Cheevy: Breezy is ok, Dapper is kind'a b0rk3d now and then
[02:30] <nathan148209> ok, nickrud, thanks
[02:30] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: I know, it's the hd... think you might be best to wait until that d/l finishes...
[02:30] <markive> gnome makes kde look shite
[02:30] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Heh.
[02:30] <boow> how long does it take ubuntu cd's to arrive
[02:30] <M_Cheevy> Knorrie: and this sataraid install is tricky enough thanks ;)
[02:30] <nickrud> nathan148209, been there already, huh
[02:31] <M_Cheevy> markive: now that's a flame war in the making... opinions on kde/gnome differ and feelings tend to run deep for some...
[02:31] <dbernar1> jrattner1: try putting "" around the $i.
[02:31] <dbernar1> jrattner1: also there is a #bash.
[02:31] <jrattner1> dbernar1, you think that should do it?
[02:31] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, currently I am wondering whether it is seated correctly in the pci slot....
[02:31] <dbernar1> jrattner1: could well.
[02:31] <yubimusubi> Dr_Willis: Oh! The mobo's got VIA chipsets, which load no problem
[02:31] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: i can check that.
[02:31] <dbernar1> jrattner1: in the out=$... line.
[02:31] <viperX>  Can someone check if kde-look or kde-apps is coming up?
[02:32] <_nano_> !composite
[02:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, composite is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[02:32] <jrattner1> dbernar1, ok
[02:32] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, creative usually works pretty well with linux
[02:32] <markive> i'm too drunk to be able to type much door
[02:32] <dbernar1> viperX: coming up where?
[02:32] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: (this may sound a little newbish but) should I shutdown my computer to dot hat?
[02:32] <bhearsum> i've been having a problem with my packages ever since i upgraded to dapper. the 'at' package simply will not configure properly.
[02:32] <markive> more*
[02:32] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, so I'm thinking its a hardware issue
[02:32] <oxez> hey, when I install the latest nvidia drivers (8174), it works fine the first time, but as soon as I reboot, I can't get xorg to run, anyone have the same problem?
[02:32] <viperX> On your browser...
[02:32] <Knorrie> markive: go to sleep
[02:32] <UbuntuNewbee> well......it was orginally an Ensoniq card. Then I think Creative bought out Ensoniq.
[02:32] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, oh for sure..and pull the power out of the back ;)
[02:32] <viperX> http://kde-look.org
[02:32] <yubimusubi> Anyway, my dad said to install linux because his windoze XP is taking up too much resources, heheh
[02:32] <viperX> It isn't coming up in my browser....
[02:32] <Knorrie> viperX: #kubuntu
[02:32] <UbuntuNewbee> ok...pulling the power now
[02:32] <_nano_> has anyone tried out composite? does it hog a lot of resources?
[02:32] <UbuntuNewbee> just kidding
[02:33] <jrattner1> dbernar1, there are quotes around the $i in the out line
[02:33] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5: I'll shutdown properly.
[02:33] <UbuntuNewbee> ;)
[02:33] <jrattner1> dbernar1, did you mean the ls line?
[02:33] <markive> #knorrie thanks , i tink i'll go to my pit
[02:33] <mustard5> UbuntuNewbee, hehee..well don't electrocute yourself ok?
[02:33] <Knorrie> markive: :D
[02:33] <viperX> Dude, I know what room I'm in. Would someone please check the site for me?
[02:33] <UbuntuNewbee> mustard5:  LOL
[02:33] <UbuntuNewbee> brb
[02:33] <dbernar1> jrattner1: see the post.
[02:34] <jrattner1> k
[02:34] <dbernar1> jrattner1: also, ask at #bash if you do not get an answer here.  Thanks for the assist, I really apreciated it! :)
[02:35] <yubimusubi> Hmm...do the nVidia drivers come with ubuntu or do I have to apt-get or otherwise install them?
[02:36] <wij> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/         check this out !
[02:36] <mustard5> yubimusubi, you need to install..I'll get the link to the guide one sec
[02:36] <mustard5> ubotu: tell yubimusubi about nvidia
[02:36] <Knorrie> wij: current != release != stable
[02:36] <yubimusubi> mustard5: It's okay, I know where it is
[02:36] <Toma-> wij: thats a highly unstable development version
[02:36] <mustard5> yubimusubi, check for PM from ubotu
[02:37] <mustard5> yubimusubi, k
[02:37] <yubimusubi> I was just curious if I had to take that extra step
[02:37] <yubimusubi> mustard5: Thanks anyway (btw, I'm a native gentoo user)
[02:37] <dougsko> bye all
[02:37] <mustard5> yubimusubi, k :)
[02:37] <M_Cheevy> mustard5: if you do an 'apt-get install linux-k7-smp" does it auto get those? it looks like it did when I did that
[02:38] <wij> Server support for 5 years and 2 years desktop.
[02:38] <nathan148209> right now im converting those RPMS 2 DEBS
[02:38] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, it should install the restricted modules if you apt-get using the metapackage yes..assuming you had them installed already
[02:38] <FatDarel> hey my cd burner don't work now on ubuntu any ideas
[02:38] <Madpilot> wij: yes, and when it's released in April 2006 it'll be great - right now Dapper is very, very unstable...
[02:38] <asep> hi..............................
[02:39] <yubimusubi> For the record...the problem I'm having is the same as this one: http://plug.org.in/pipermail/plug-mail/2005-August/016017.html
[02:39] <yubimusubi> And I can't find those options in my BIOS
[02:39] <erol> hi.........................................]
[02:40] <M_Cheevy> sorry mustard5, if you answered, I missed it.  wireless dumped me..
[02:40] <momo> my ISP's DNS server is so SLOW. It takes >20 sec to load a web page
[02:40] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, it should install the restricted modules if you apt-get using the metapackage yes..assuming you had them installed already
[02:40] <bimberi> Knorrie: lol @ ntp-server ^^^
[02:40] <yubimusubi> momo: wow, that sucks...
[02:40] <M_Cheevy> mustard5: didn't have them installed.. per se.. it was a debootstrap install from the livecd
[02:40] <wij> I'll test it tommorow, tommorow night i tell you all about it
[02:41] <wij> Dapper drake
[02:41] <LjL> momo: that's certainly slow. you could try installing dnsmasq, which is a caching "private" dns server (you could call it a proxy), that will help, although it clearly won't solve the root of the problem -- which, if you're right with you "DNS" diagnosis, is your ISP
[02:41] <wij> A lot of people running it already.
[02:41] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, are we talking about nvidia? ..just checking
[02:41] <wij> kernel is stable
[02:41] <ubuntudave> does anyone have any idea why when i try to access an admin feature (ie 'networking') in the menu, the password popup window won't let me enter anything, it goes away as soon as i type the first letter - any suggestions?
[02:41] <kyncani> momo: what makes you think it's your isp's dns servers ? you've tried with other  dns ?
[02:41] <M_Cheevy> mustard5: yes.
[02:41] <erol> hi
[02:42] <erol> hiiiiiiiiiii.......
[02:42] <Madpilot> wij: X is expected to break in Dapper; that'll be fun...
[02:42] <mustard5> ubuntudave, are you running as root or as a user?
[02:42] <bimberi> wij: yes, but it can become broken at any time (as occurred with Breezy during it's development phase)
[02:42] <ubuntudave> mustard5, as a user
[02:42] <nomin> if anyone has been having problems with amarok on ubuntu, I just got amarok to work right
[02:42] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, you may have to install them still
[02:42] <momo> kyncani: was just about to try adding another dns server. but i don't know which one to add...
[02:43] <mustard5> ubuntudave, hmm ok...well thats that idea down the drain then...I'm not sure
[02:43] <Toma-> wij: aslong as you have the time a patience to report, and even patch bugs, you should use it
[02:43] <M_Cheevy> mustard5: okay... I can use aptitude to check which are available against which are installed using search
[02:43] <_jason> nomin, make a wiki page if your willing
[02:43] <nomin> I had to install the different engines for it.  I'm using the xine engine and everything works fine now.  They're available in the synaptic package manager under 'amarok'
[02:43] <nomin> it was easy
[02:43] <wij> i'm downloading.............  1 hours to go.......
[02:43] <M_Cheevy> jason: gotta love the wiki.. got permission this morning to make some edits to the FakeRaidHowTo
[02:44] <yubimusubi> Weee! 1.5 hours for me!
[02:44] <thrice`> yubimusubi, until?
[02:44] <kyncani> momo: replace your isp's dns with root dns servers and check it out ?
[02:44] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, you should be able to sudo apt-get linux-restriced-modules-$(uname -r) ..assuming there are no typos in my command and it will confirm if they are already loaded
[02:44] <momo> kyncani: when loading a webpage, it takes like 20sec to "resolve hostname", and then the page will load really fast. sounds like their dns server...
[02:44] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi wij: know the feeling...
[02:44] <yubimusubi> thrice`: downloading breezy
[02:44] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, there is a typo..hehe..I forgot the install part :)
[02:44] <M_Cheevy> mustard5: cool... I take it the "restricted" ones are the ones from nvidia?
[02:45] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Heh...try installing Gentoo stage 1, complete with KDE
[02:45] <mustard5> M_Cheevy, yes
[02:45] <wij> downloading dapper
[02:45] <yubimusubi> It would take me about a week to do that on my machine
[02:45] <kyncani> momo: only way to be sure it to try with another dns i think
[02:45] <tritium> M_Cheevy: which kernel do you have (output from "uname -r")
[02:45] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: basically, I'm having to do just about that... I'm doing a debootstrap install so the packages on the cd are basically being ignored
[02:46] <nomin> _jason, where should I make a wiki page?
[02:46] <yubimusubi> Woah! dapper has a 2.6.15 kernel? Mine's only 2.6.14! Time for an upgrade...
[02:46] <kyncani> momo: you can find root dns address in bind configuration (/etc/bind/root.db)
[02:46] <M_Cheevy> tritium: if memory serves (i've had to type it enough) it's 2.6.12-10-k7-smp
[02:46] <kyncani> momo: err /etc/bind/db.root
[02:46] <Madpilot> nomin: wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: why are you bootstrapping?
[02:46] <Toma-> there should be a dirty great big warning on that download page. im sure theres one in the install tho!
[02:46] <_jason> nomin, wiki.ubuntu.com if there is already an amarok page, just add what you found
[02:46] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: odd numbers are "beta", even are "stable"
[02:46] <tritium> M_Cheevy: one way to ensure you have the restricted modules is to make sure you have linux-k7 installed
[02:46] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: I mean, what's the point of ignoring the cd?
[02:46] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: sata raid install
[02:46] <asep> hi................
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep> hh
[02:47] <asep>     b
[02:47] <_jason> asep, quit
[02:47] <asep>
[02:47] <asep>   gf
[02:47] <Toma-> kick ban plz
[02:47] <Madpilot> nomin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Amarok
[02:47] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: I thought that was only with the second number (i.e. the 6)
[02:47] <tritium> asep: stop that now
[02:47] <M_Cheevy> tritum: basically that's what I got.. I did apt-get install linux-k7-smp
[02:47] <WebLOCH> nathan148209, i know where a j1.5 deb is if you want it
[02:48] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: could be... I'd wanna check before I said anything definitive
[02:48] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Doesn't ubuntu come with sata raid support?
[02:48] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: heh
[02:48] <noddaba> I'm trying to set up a linear RAID array.  I've created the array just fine, set the filesystem type to RAID autodetect, but the linear array doesn't automatically start on boot.  If I do a RAID0, it works fine.  Can anyone help?
[02:48] <bulio> how do I configure a printer that is on my LAN?
[02:48] <tritium> M_Cheevy: good :)
[02:49] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: check out www.kernel.org for the odd even thing.. as for sata raid, yes, as long as you're not dealing with pre-existing partitions using a "fakeraid" controller
[02:49] <M_Cheevy> tritium: I've read the wiki pretty thoroughly ;)
[02:49] <nomin> amarok wiki doesn't need me at all, it says right there on the page what to do, I just didn't know about it.
[02:49] <Sionide> aside from xchat.. what other decent gui gnome irc clients are there?
[02:49] <j--> hey guys, I'm looking for a good distro to run on my ibook.  ANy PPC users care to comment on the package selection for PPC?  are the PPC packages updated regularly?
[02:49] <tritium> M_Cheevy: rock on, dude!
[02:49] <momo> kyncani: um, i dont have an /etc/bind directory...
[02:49] <kyncani> Sionide: maybe gaim ?
[02:50] <hyperactivecrond> how does one burn an audio cd with k3b with mp3 files?
[02:50] <tritium> j--: there is a new stable release every 6 months.
[02:50] <yubimusubi> Sionide: Try irssi!
[02:50] <M_Cheevy> tritium: I cut my teeth with linux in kernel 0.99 ... i learned a long time ago, before doing anything, read read read read read!
[02:50] <Sionide> yubimusubi, :/ i just said GUI irc clients
[02:50] <yubimusubi> irssi in Eterm! It's GUI!
[02:50] <j--> tritium: Im talking about the application repositories
[02:50] <hyperactivecrond> Sionide, konversation
[02:50] <Plazma> M_Cheevy, thast very true.. some of us though learn better through trial and error though
[02:50] <yubimusubi> You can set the background and everything!
[02:50] <Sionide> hyperactivecrond, that's not gnome is it?
[02:51] <bimberi> hyperactivecrond: install k3b-mp3
[02:51] <Sionide> bloody hell
[02:51] <yubimusubi> hyperactivecrond: Isn't konversation more KDE?
[02:51] <Sionide> ask a simple question..
[02:51] <asep>             hi.................
[02:51] <asep>
[02:51] <M_Cheevy> Plazma: I didn't say the learning process wasn't painful ;)
[02:51] <yubimusubi> And K3B
[02:51] <tritium> M_Cheevy: yep
[02:51] <yubimusubi> Sionide: sorry
[02:51] <Sionide> :/
[02:51] <Plazma> M_Cheevy, thats true too :D
[02:51] <_jason> Is it possible to make the places menu in gnome expand the submenus (yes, like the windows start menu)?
[02:51] <hyperactivecrond> yes but still
[02:51] <M_Cheevy> Plazma: I had more than my fair share of screw ups ;)
[02:51] <kyncani> momo: try this dns: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:51] <Plazma> M_Cheevy, me 2
[02:51] <|Jef|> quick question... anyone have a reference url for the list of packages in hoarty's install cd
[02:51] <yubimusubi> Sionide: what about ayttm (is that spelled right?)
[02:51] <Plazma> Has anyone successfully used and recorded stuff using mythtv on ubuntu?
[02:51] <hyperactivecrond> bonvoyage asep
[02:51] <tritium> Plazma: I have
[02:51] <Sionide> yubimusubi, i'll give it a shot *goes to google*
[02:51] <j--> can I install ubuntu without installing gnome?
[02:52] <Plazma> tritium, may i pm?
[02:52] <Sionide> Plazma, yeah www.jonobacon.org has done it
[02:52] <M_Cheevy> Plazma: classic was when I enabled ntfs-write and torched my partition table taking out a 10yr archive of emails
[02:52] <yubimusubi> Sionide: I think it's pretty old...it's like gaim though
[02:52] <Plazma> M_Cheevy.. ouch
[02:52] <kyncani> j--: use the server install
[02:52] <tritium> Plazma: I won't be around for much longer...
[02:52] <Plazma> tritium, dont worry i waont take long
[02:52] <kyncani> j--: or kubuntu/edubuntu
[02:52] <bimberi> j--: yes, or get kubuntu (if you like KDE)
[02:52] <Sionide> yubimusubi, i'm really looking for a pure irc client which can autoaccept dcc
[02:52] <bimberi> kyncani: edubuntu is Gnome
[02:52] <Sionide> and a few other things
[02:52] <M_Cheevy> Plazma: got em back.. but not without a 3day troll of the drive by a forensic software tool
[02:52] <bimberi> s/is/uses/
[02:52] <Plazma> hehe
[02:53] <kyncani> bimberi: it is ? j-- meant xubuntu then ;)
[02:53] <Plazma> tritium, did you have any problems with getting audio?
[02:53] <j--> I don't want gnome or KDE
[02:53] <M_Cheevy> did lose some hi-res scans of a US$500 bill (both sides, 600dpi, 32bit)
[02:53] <tritium> Plazma: no.
[02:53] <bimberi> kyncani: that's better :)
[02:53] <yubimusubi> Sionide: Hmm...most GUI IRC clients use QT
[02:53] <j--> just a decent binary basedppc distribution
[02:53] <kyncani> bimberi: :)
[02:53] <tritium> M_Cheevy: that's illegal
[02:53] <Plazma> tritium, i can record tv just fine.. just i get no audio.. been playing with it for a while
[02:53] <bimberi> j--: server install then
[02:53] <yubimusubi> If ya want to compile QT that's no prob
[02:53] <Sionide> yubimusubi, aye i have QT skinned to look like gnome:)
[02:54] <kyncani> j--: use the standard ubuntu disc and type "server" at cd boot prompt then
[02:54] <yubimusubi> Sionide: ... Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
[02:54] <Plazma> tritium, i thought hte hardest part would be the remote.. it works fine thanks to apt
[02:54] <tritium> Plazma: which tv tuner card?  Do you have to connect the audio out into your sound card in?
[02:54] <M_Cheevy> tritium: yes, I know, I called the Secret Service before I did it.. but since $500's don't circulate, they weren't too worried about it
[02:54] <Sionide> yubimusubi, umm no - if you ask me default QT looks ugly as hell
[02:54] <ElitePete> M_Cheevy, you didn't call the secret service.
[02:54] <Sionide> yubimusubi, check this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76633
[02:54] <freakazoid3333> M_Cheevy : thats what u get for not backing up
[02:54] <Plazma> tritium, pvr-150 happachue or something.. and i just have onboard sound..
[02:54] <Sionide> it makes skype look like a gnome app and not a square horrible pile of arse
[02:54] <Plazma> and i dont have to plug it into the soundcard
[02:54] <Sionide> :
[02:54] <M_Cheevy> ElitePete: I did too, before I moved here....
[02:54] <tritium> Plazma: that should be pretty well supported
[02:54] <Sionide> :)
[02:54] <yubimusubi> Sionide: I agree, but I don't like KDE or GNOME
[02:54] <j--> well I want to use it as a desktop machine, it's just that Im an fvwm fan and don't want gnome/kde wasting my time/space
[02:54] <ElitePete> M_Cheecy, bullshit
[02:55] <tritium> easy there
[02:55] <Plazma> tritium, it should.. i dunno.. i can record just fine just without audio.. so maybe ivtv is screwed up
[02:55] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, GNOME is the sexy
[02:55] <yubimusubi> Sionide: for the record, I don't have QT
[02:55] <Sionide> yubimusubi, aah you're one of those...
[02:55] <erol>     hi       ..........
[02:55] <M_Cheevy> ElitePete: I worked in the publishing industry.  I was in Philadelphia. It was a local call... I knew to cover my ass.
[02:55] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: Nah, I'm an E17 guy.
[02:55] <WebLOCH> hahaha!
[02:55] <WebLOCH> E17
[02:55] <Sionide> erol, shove it where the sun don't shine matey
[02:55] <bimberi> j--: ok then start with a server install and build it up from there
[02:55] <erol> hi ..........
[02:55] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, E17 is about the counter-intuitive WM i've seen yet
[02:55] <yubimusubi> Sionide: Well, If I have to for some desperately needed app, I'll install it
[02:55] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, and its ugly, despite how hard they try to claim it's 'eyecandy'
[02:55] <j--> excellent, thanks for the help
[02:56] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: hold on
[02:56] <HighHopes> Hello!  I need help. I installed Ubuntu in server mode because I don't want to use gnome.. so I installed Xorg+Fluxbox+GDM.. everything's OK but I don't know how to enable PC105 keyboard with deadkeys... Help please!
[02:56] <Plazma> tritium, i may just go back and rebuild/reinstall ivtv
[02:56] <M_Cheevy> ElitePete: their feelings on the matter were as long as if I printed it, it was either +/- 10% of original size, I was cool.
[02:56] <dooglus> WebLOCH: I hated it too.
[02:56] <tritium> Plazma: what for?
[02:56] <Toma-> i think e17 is kinda cool... still too buggy tho
[02:56] <WebLOCH> dooglus, yeah it turned  out to be highly annoying and nothing else, if you want some eyecandy, install 3ddesk, it's the mad-note
[02:56] <kyncani> HighHopes: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe ? :)
[02:56] <tritium> Sionide: now, now...
[02:56] <Plazma> tritium, well im not sure.. luck that it would fix my problem
[02:56] <ElitePete> M_Cheevy why are you still talking?
[02:57] <HighHopes> kyncani, I'll try...
[02:57] <nomin> ubuntu should have an option at installation to read other partitions at startup
[02:57] <yubimusubi> dooglus: well, to each his own, but while KDE and GNOME both cough up blood on my system, E17 is lightning fast.
[02:57] <bimberi> tritium: /dns erol == /dns asep (fyi :) )
[02:57] <Sionide> tritium, heh - sorry :p
[02:57] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, thats fair enough, although I thought gnome was fairly low resource?
[02:58] <tritium> bimberi: we'll see how he behaves, then
[02:58] <dooglus> I just clicked into system->preferences->sessions in breezy and then clicked the 'help' button.  that was 5 minutes ago, and my CPU has been flat out ever since.  Is that just me, or is the help broken, or just REALLY CPU intensive?
[02:58] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: It is, but for some reason E17 is faster on my box...I don't understand how loads of eyecandy can be faster than the default GNOME
[02:58] <bimberi> tritium: :)
[02:59] <M_Cheevy> dooglus: does sound like something ain't right there...
[02:59] <yubimusubi> BTW, I'm digging up some of my E17 screenshots.
[02:59] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, thats fair enough then buddy, i didnt run it for long I must admit
[02:59] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, ahh cool
[02:59] <ElitePete> is e17 as good as nome ?
[02:59] <ElitePete> gnome8
[02:59] <dooglus> M_Cheevy: could you try the same?
[02:59] <kyncani> yubimusubi: gnome takes much more ram i think ..
[02:59] <WebLOCH> the only bad thing about moving from windows to linux, is trying to fix things that aren't broken
[02:59] <M_Cheevy> dooglus: nope, sorry, in the midst of an install, still at the console (getting X in now)
[02:59] <nickrud> dooglus, it's converting all the help xml files to html on the fly; ALL of them
[02:59] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: Heh, I've installed it 3 times...the first 2 times I almost died from confusion...but once I figured it out, I'm able to work faster than ever
[02:59] <yubimusubi> ElitePete: That depends on what you like
[03:00] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, thats true, i need to either download, or write, mouse gestures for gnome/nautilus
[03:00] <ElitePete> hmm, i'm new to linux and i got a nice theme on gnome i like it alot.
[03:00] <WebLOCH> mouse gestures are the mad note
[03:00] <dooglus> well, I quit the help browser, and the CPU is still flat out.  process "Xorg" is at 50%, with "update-notifier" and "notification-area" splitting the other 50% about equally.
[03:00] <ElitePete> how do mouse gestures work?
[03:00] <brenner> dooglus: took 20 secs for me
[03:00] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, essentially a mouse movement such as "left" is mapped to a function or command
[03:01] <Plazma> bbl
[03:01] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, have you used Firefox, Opera or Epiphany ?
[03:01] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: mouse gestures mess me up b/c I use a laptop (w/touchpad) ...it also makes America's Army and other FPS's have problems...
[03:01] <ElitePete> i use opera.
[03:01] <ElitePete> and i have used firefox
[03:01] <tritium> please don't spam the channel, asep, erol
[03:01] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, ahh fair play, havent actually seen any as part of the WM yet
[03:01] <zblach> quick question
[03:01] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, did you not try mouse gestures in either of them ?
[03:01] <hyperactivecrond> go ahead zblach
[03:01] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, Im still quite new to linux
[03:01] <zblach> to play .mov files in firefox, what plugin am i needing?
[03:02] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: Hmm...That's interesting...if I had a standard mouse...well I used to use mouse gestures all the time
[03:02] <ElitePete> nobe WebLOCH
[03:02] <secureboot> anyone know how to make a ubuntu install under debian?  perhaps a debootstrap for ubuntu that i can run under debian?
[03:02] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: How new?
[03:02] <hyperactivecrond> hmm probably either mplayer, (g)xine, or you may have to go crossover office with quicktime for complete compatibility
[03:02] <M_Cheevy> ElitePete: if you're new to ubuntu, you might want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[03:02] <tritium> have a good night, folks...
[03:02] <hyperactivecrond> !tell zblach about restrictedformats
[03:02] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, about 2 - 3 months now
[03:02] <M_Cheevy> nite tritium
[03:02] <mustard5> night tritium
[03:03] <hyperactivecrond> nite dude
[03:03] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: I'm only about 6-8 months of linux use...but I kinda jumped off a high cliff instead of climbing down
[03:03] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, I suggest you try them, they are mighty useful and make things nice and quick
[03:03] <yubimusubi> Hmm...that analogy wasn't too crappy, was it?
[03:03] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, same here, ive got windows running on another partition so I can still use C#
[03:03] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: another good one is "dive into the deep end"
[03:04] <dooglus> nickrud: if it was caused by a conversion of xml to html or some such, I wouldn't expect it to be the Xorg process that was busy.  And I'd expect to see some disk activity.  the disk was mostly idle.
[03:04] <ElitePete> WebLOCH how do i set them up?
[03:04] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Yea, that one's better!
[03:04] <dooglus> I restarted X and it's OK again now.
[03:04] <beelzebub1987> Custom Deskto Themes own
[03:04] <beelzebub1987> Desktop*
[03:04] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, which browser do you use most?
[03:04] <ElitePete> opera
[03:04] <WebLOCH> okay open a page somewhere
[03:04] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: it's an old expression...
[03:04] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: Hmm...most linux users I know have windows only for gaming
[03:04] <nickrud> dooglus, I don't have any problems with that diagnosis, but you didn't mention the xorg & others till after I'd posted :)
[03:04] <WebLOCH> ElitePete,  it doesnt matter where, anywhere will do
[03:04] <ULffuntu> help anyone here ppc?
[03:04] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: LOL, Yea, I've heard it before...I meant it's more appropriate.
[03:05] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, well i dont game on PC, so i dont usually bother, only use it for C# and I guess VB if/when needed
[03:05] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, you got a page open?
[03:05] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: yeah, but creativity counts... good on ya for avoiding cliche's ;)
[03:05] <Madpilot> ElitePete: Opera should have mouse gestures enabled by default - hit F1 for Opera help, there's a mouse gestures howto somewhere in there
[03:05] <nickrud> dooglus, the xml->html has been a shortcoming of yelp for a long time. It's better than it was, anyway.
[03:05] <dooglus> nickrud: I've tried it again - the CPU was busy for 20 or 30 seconds, busy with "gnome-help", which makes more sense.
[03:05] <ElitePete> Ok
[03:05] <erol> malang
[03:05] <ElitePete> yea webloch i got a page open..
[03:05] <ULffuntu> anyone ubuntu ppc?
[03:05] <dooglus> nickrud: I don't know what went wrong last time.  update-notifier went crazy by the look of it - but there are no updates pending for me.
[03:06] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Heh, my English teacher advised me not to take his creative writing class because there wasn't anything new he could teach me, heheh
[03:06] <techrush> inkscape is really cool
[03:06] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, okay now MJ is not turned on by default, but if you try using a MJ three times, Opera will ask to turn them on, a MJ is recognised when you have the RIGHT mouse button down.  So click and hold the right button, and move the mouse to the left and then let go.   Left and Right, for back and forward, you already did one
[03:07] <M_Cheevy> hyperactivecrond: would that that would help... only on a 256k connect
[03:07] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, now all you need to do is learn the others, they can do pretty much anything, which means you never have to move to a menu/toolbar again, you can just click and go
[03:08] <ElitePete> how do i
[03:08] <ElitePete> set up which each one does?
[03:08] <dooglus> nickrud: this is a box I use every day, and have done for a year or so.  I've never seen Xorg go crazy before, and probably never will again.  Very strange isn't it.  I had the same thing once (and only once) with gam_server too.
[03:08] <ElitePete> for like a specific website.
[03:08] <korhalf> ElitePete, sup
[03:08] <ElitePete> hey korhalf,
[03:08] <ULffuntu> <ubuntu imac help please
[03:09] <hyperactivecrond> !ppc
[03:09] <ubotu> I guess ppc is PowerPC. Macs, IBMs. Nicer then Intel.
[03:09] <jdmpike> hello all
[03:09] <hyperactivecrond> ...
[03:09] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, I havent checked with Opera, im not sure if there is a config, or where it is IF there is, however a google search will tell you.  Firefox supports custom commands, but the gestures are a separate plugin.  Epiphany is slightly odd for gestures, but a nicer browser overall
[03:09] <WebLOCH> !ppcsucks
[03:09] <ubotu> Wish i knew, WebLOCH
[03:09] <jdmpike> question for the group, what is the best backup software
[03:09] <cafuego> ULffuntu: have you actually asked a question yet?
[03:09] <jdmpike> like for dvd's and what not?
[03:09] <ElitePete> WebLOCH ok, i never even heard of eiphiny
[03:09] <nickrud> dooglus, I could buy an ipod if I got a buck for every time gam or fam went off on me :)
[03:09] <WebLOCH> jdmpike, the wiki explains all!
[03:09] <jdmpike> webloch - link plz!
[03:10] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, its based on the mozilla works, so its similar to firefox, but in my experience, it doesn't freeze up, crash, fail  or do anything else like firefox.
[03:10] <jdmpike> WebLOCH: also asking for preferences for different tools out there, what is best?
[03:10] <nickrud> I actually had a panel button that killed and restarted fam under debian
[03:10] <WebLOCH> jdmpike, ahh fair enough then, i usually use rip
[03:10] <yubimusubi> Anyone here used blender?
[03:10] <MattwestM> yes, I have used blender
[03:10] <Madpilot> ElitePete: I'm not sure Opera does custom gestures yet; you should be able to explicitly turn them on & off in the control panels somewhere, though
[03:11] <ElitePete> WebLOCh yea, i had to stop using firefox because i upgraded to 1.5 (MISTAKE) and it started sucking bad.
[03:11] <ULffuntu> cafuego: are you on a mac now?
[03:11] <ElitePete> Madpilot, ok thanks.
[03:11] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: I thought firefox stopped crashing?
[03:11] <cafuego> ULffuntu: That's irrelevant. Why don't you just ask your question?
[03:11] <M_Cheevy> jdmpike: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[03:11] <yubimusubi> The newest firefox works no prob for me
[03:11] <markive> whats the maxiumum number of tans you managed to open in konquror
[03:11] <markive> ?
[03:11] <markive> tabs*
[03:11] <ElitePete> yubimusubi, i guess it's like you and gnome for me and firefox :-)
[03:11] <ULffuntu> i'm trying to configure an imac, would you even know how dweeb
[03:12] <ElitePete> ULffuntu, he was trying to help you jackass.
[03:12] <ULffuntu> eat shit
[03:12] <ElitePete> please go die.
[03:12] <markive> lmao
[03:12] <cafuego> ULffuntu: I imagine I would, but unless you TELL ME YOUR PROBLEM I cannot help you.
[03:12] <erol> hei?
[03:12] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, ElitePete, as far as i know, firefox is still awful, which is a shame, because it had a lot of promise, I won't give up on it until 2.0, but to be honest Im not going to use it till then either haha.
[03:12] <dooglus> nickrud: I had gam_server go into a CPU-bound loop once, so I downloaded the source and recompiled it with debugging enabled, so that next time I could make a proper bug report, rather than just saying "gam_server suxs".  needless to say, that fixed the problem...
[03:12] <yubimusubi> ElitePete: Well, actually, I was avoiding Firefox and using Opera for quite a while due to crashes and segfaults...perhaps when GNOME shapes up I'll start using it, heheh
[03:12] <cafuego> ElitePete: Please, mind the CoC.
[03:12] <ElitePete> cafuego, CoC ?
[03:12] <markive> is opera in the repositorys?
[03:12] <cafuego> ElitePete: Code of Conduct
[03:12] <ULffuntu> this group is always the same, bye
[03:13] <markive> coc?
[03:13] <ElitePete> Yea Webloch and yubi, firefox is not very good...
[03:13] <markive> ah
[03:13] <ElitePete> cafuego, ok sorry.. i just hate jerks.
[03:13] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: you do know there is a kde for ubuntu?
[03:13] <hyperactivecrond> !coc
[03:13] <ubotu> rumour has it, coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[03:13] <cafuego> Bloody minded idiot, not jerk.
[03:13] <Madpilot> markive: no, but it's easy to install
[03:13] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, Opera is quite nice but it still has issues, Epiphany I think has  been simplified to the extent that it does not have the problems inherent in Firefox/Opera
[03:13] <Madpilot> !tell markive about opera
[03:13] <erol> hei
[03:13] <markive> thanks
[03:13] <paolob> Hi guys! I have a edubuntu server with 4GB ram. The bios sees all the ram, while in linux I have only 2.9 GB. What is this? Anyone could help me to understand why? thank you!
[03:13] <WebLOCH> yubimusubi, ElitePete, I think it might be a good idea if you both try elinks, links2 or similar
[03:13] <cafuego> Why would it matter whether I am now using a mac mini and installed Ubuntu on TWO Imacs yesterday :-P
[03:13] <yubimusubi> WebLOCH: I'm using 1.0.7 and this is the first version that actually uses my extensions right...if firefox b0rk5 again, then I use epiphany or opera
[03:13] <erol> nm lo spa?
[03:13] <yubimusubi> Or links (heheh)
[03:13] <hyperactivecrond> paolob, see other channel
[03:14] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, if opera gives me any problems i'll have to switch to epiph.
[03:14] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Yea, I know...but I like KDE less than GNOME
[03:14] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, good man
[03:14] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, whats elinks ?
[03:14] <nickrud> dooglus, the last time I did any serious programming was the late 80's. The tools and techniques have changed so much since then that I don't have the stamina (or time) to get back up to speed. I'm running up a very steep hill right now, trying to get my head around emacs and nxml just so I can help with docs. Event driven Programming? Ha
[03:14] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, command line web browser
[03:14] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, proper sexy too
[03:14] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: it's the other popular alternative
[03:14] <cafuego> paolob: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[03:14] <cafuego> paolob: What's what say?
[03:14] <uber_spaced> what command do I use to mount an ISO?
[03:14] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, Terminal webbrowser lol ?
[03:14] <ElitePete> sounds weird ^^
[03:14] <paolob> cafuego: I'm not in that server
[03:14] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, yup essentially
[03:15] <dooglus> nickrud: I was just planning to send a stack trace, not fix the problem myself :)
[03:15] <uber_spaced> lynx
[03:15] <john_> Hi I am a newbie to IRC, but I have a question I hope you can point me in the right direction.  How can I upgrade firefox to 1.5 on Ubuntu Breezy?  It is not available in Synaptic
[03:15] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, it will do, its not full of rubbish haha.
[03:15] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Yea, I know...but I'm more for WM's over DE's...windowmaker, fluxbox, enlightenment, etc.
[03:15] <dooglus> nickrud: but stick with emacs - it's nice once you get it
[03:15] <Fibre> newbie on board
[03:15] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, let me ask you a question on XCHAT how do i turn like auto-name completion on?
[03:15] <WebLOCH> john_, if thats the case it means its not yet stable, and you probably shouldnt install it
[03:15] <yubimusubi> I'm thinking about doing the GNOME Enlightenment hack
[03:15] <cafuego> paolob: it doesn't have that odd chipset bug where it can't access any ram between 3 and 4 GB, right?
[03:15] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, its already on, just type part of a name and hit TAB
[03:15] <nickrud> dooglus, we didn't have no stack tracing, we examined the assembly :)
[03:15] <yubimusubi> But then I'd have to install GNOME...
[03:15] <ElitePete> Ok thanks much :-)
[03:15] <paolob> cafuego: how do I know it?
[03:15] <ElitePete> WebLOCH,  test
[03:15] <cafuego> paolob: Is it an IBM?
[03:15] <ElitePete> :-)
[03:15] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, no problem :D
[03:16] <erol> hi...
[03:16] <paolob> cafuego: no, it's a intel MB
[03:16] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: it can take a wee while ;)
[03:16] <john_> o.k. I am just having problems with 1.0.7 crashing whenever I open sites with Java (I think) Any ideas?
[03:16] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: ie, what I'm doing here ;)
[03:16] <Dex-Freudii> hi there
[03:16] <cafuego> paolob: Well, first thing to check is whether the kernel is compiled for 8GB HIGHMEM support. (Yes, I know you have 4, but you need 8GB support ;-)
[03:16] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, I would also suggest you check out giFTcurs
[03:16] <cafuego> paolob: If so, you probably have an odd chipset bug.
[03:17] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, and that is? :-)
[03:17] <_jason> john_, is it consistent?  does it crash *everytime* you visit a page with java?
[03:17] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: heheh
[03:17] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, program for connecting to gnutella and similar networks for downloading, but its interface is built in ncurses, so its command line, quite nice too
[03:17] <Fibre> wanting help with a intergrated sound issue
[03:17] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, oh, i have limewire already.
[03:17] <M_Cheevy> yubimusubi: 2 bloody hrs to go...... sheesh!
[03:17] <paolob> cafuego: will the vendor change the MB?
[03:17] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, limewire is apauling by comparison
[03:18] <WebLOCH> ElitePete,  much like my spelling in fact.
[03:18] <cafuego> paolob: I doubt it.
[03:18] <erol> gathel ya we
[03:18] <yubimusubi> M_Cheevy: Ya, I still got an hour on my breezy d/l
[03:18] <john_> WebLoch, It appears to be inconsinsent.  Mainly I see it when I click an RsS feed from Liferea and go to CBS sportsline or others.  Thanx for your patience
[03:18] <M_Cheevy> WebLOCH: ;)
[03:18] <WebLOCH> john_, I'd stay away from it, settle down with some tasty elinks
[03:18] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, ok, whats the website for that?
[03:18] <cafuego> paolob: Oh.. you could also check by plugging in an additional stick of ram, see if that gets detected by the OS.
[03:18] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, we don't use websites here mate, it's all about the APT!
[03:18] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, oh nice, i love apt-get
[03:18] <WebLOCH> M_Cheevy, you knows it
[03:19] <paolob> cafuego: sin embargo el bios dice que tiene 4GB! Isnt' it weird?
[03:19] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, sudo apt-get install giftcurs ?
[03:19] <paolob> cafuego: I have the 4 slots plugged in
[03:19] <cafuego> d'oh!
[03:19] <yubimusubi> Hmm...anyone know how to link shortcuts to ALSA? (i.e., volume up, volume down)
[03:19] <john_> Hey guys, I just wanted some help, I tried serching online first, there is no need to make an ass of me.
[03:19] <M_Cheevy> WebLOCH: always nice to see someone who's learned the importance of being able to laugh at themselves ;)
[03:19] <WebLOCH> ElitePete,  you familiar with apt-cache search ?
[03:19] <hyperactivecrond> !es
[03:19] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:19] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, not really :-(
[03:20] <WebLOCH> M_Cheevy, yeah unfortunately it makes me prone to laughing at others too easily, but they don't understand how to laugh at themselves, then Im the one in trouble :(
[03:20] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, well    apt-cache search blah    will find any items matching blah in  the repos
[03:20] <_jason> john_, run firefox in a terminal and see if you get an error when it crashes
[03:20] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, ok.
[03:20] <cafuego> wibble
[03:20] <M_Cheevy> WebLOCH: got that right.. executives, cops, polititians --- really hate it when you laugh at 'em ;)
[03:20] <paolob> Does anyone use 4 GB ram or more without any problem?
[03:20] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, so in this case try   apt-cache search gift
[03:21] <ElitePete> yep giftcurs
[03:21] <WebLOCH> ElitePete,  you will notice it gives a bit of output, so you can use grep to refine the search
[03:21] <john_> thanks, jason, like this firefox -v?
[03:21] <cafuego> paolob: Have you had a chance to check the kernel compile options?
[03:21] <M_Cheevy> looking for gifts this time of year is best done under the tree... or my parents hid them in their bedroom closet so we wouldn't peek... didn't work..
[03:21] <erol> vbnn
[03:21] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, you want to get libfasttrack-gift, giftd, gift and giftcurs
[03:21] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, ok it's installed how do i access it, just giftcurs in terminal ?
[03:21] <paolob> cafuego: not now, tomorrow
[03:21] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, ok. got giftcurs
[03:21] <WebLOCH> You need to install those other  bits too
[03:21] <ajmitch> paolob: yes it should work
[03:22] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, alright.
[03:22] <_jason> john_, just 'firefox', I think 'firefox -v' gives you version info
[03:22] <paolob> cafuego: what should I check?
[03:22] <cafuego> paolob: Oh, is the system on the default (i386) install kernel?
[03:22] <Toothpick> mustard5: thanks for checking
[03:22] <WebLOCH> M_Cheevy, tutors, friends, parents, everyones the same.  Only me and my linux know best.
[03:22] <yubimusubi> I like the command 'killall -9 firefox-bin' ...gets me outta some sticky situations...
[03:22] <paolob> cafuego: I'm using the default edubuntu kernel
[03:22] <M_Cheevy> WebLOCH: guess I showed my age with my list ;)
[03:22] <WebLOCH> ElitePete, the catch is, giftd runs the daemon that connects to the networks, so you either have to have two terminals open, or commit it to an init script somewhere
[03:23] <john_> thanks for your help JASON, I will try that.....bye
[03:23] <paolob> cafuego: i386
[03:23] <WebLOCH> M_Cheevy, haha, im not that young :(
[03:23] <cafuego> paolob: If you run "grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r)" it should give you  aline like this: "CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y"
[03:23] <cafuego> paolob: I think you want yours to be "CONFIG_HIGHME6M4G=y"
[03:23] <M_Cheevy> WebLOCH: it's been more than 20yrs since I had to deal with a tutor ;)
[03:23] <_jason> john_, ok good luck
[03:23] <Fibre> Is this the mustard I think it is?
[03:23] <cafuego> Note the 6 in there
[03:23] <ElitePete> WebLOCH, i can't seem to find the libfasttrack
[03:24] <zblach> hey
[03:24] <zblach> more questions about restricted formats
[03:24] <zblach> quicktime 7, which format is this?
[03:24] <cafuego> WebLOCH: nohup can be your friend