[03:29] <SeanTater> exceswater: hum -- sounds neat
[03:30] <exceswater> his real name was Vlad Dracul
[03:30] <SeanTater> exceswater: I;m not sure I'd want to meet him --
[03:30] <exceswater> and after that they changed his name to Draculea
[03:30] <exceswater> and finally to Dracula
[03:30] <exceswater> :d
[03:30] <chavo> vlad the impaler
[03:30] <exceswater> yup
[03:30] <exceswater> SeanTater: i wanna talk about something here...
[03:31] <exceswater> but i don't want to offend no1
[03:31] <exceswater> anyone who is american
[03:31] <exceswater> D
[03:31] <SeanTater> exceswater: then -- have you ever compiled a program
[03:31] <exceswater> nope
[03:31] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[03:31] <ubotu> somebody said kofftopic was Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[03:31] <exceswater> i compile ideas :
[03:31] <SeanTater> exceswater: ever wanted to?
[03:31] <exceswater> a little
[03:32] <exceswater> this world of unix looks nice
[03:32] <exceswater> but a little too hard to get in
[03:32] <exceswater> q: political debates are allowed here ?
[03:32] <SeanTater> exceswater: not likely
[03:32] <SeanTater> exceswater: #ubuntu-politics
[03:32] <exceswater> but... personal opinions
[03:33] <exceswater> lol
[03:33] <exceswater> it would be nice to talk alone there
[03:33] <SeanTater> exceswater: /bin/flame --politics > #ubuntu-politics
[03:33] <exceswater> nobody is there...
[03:34] <exceswater> i just wanted to say sometinhg
[03:34] <SeanTater> exceswater: That's because not many people start flamefests here
[03:34] <exceswater> private me
[03:34] <SeanTater> exceswater: why?
[03:34] <exceswater> and you will advice me about that
[03:34] <Hobbsee> exceswater: no, they arent.
[03:34] <utonto_SonoIo> hi all
[03:35] <utonto_SonoIo> i need an help...
[03:35] <utonto_SonoIo> how can i mount a NTFS partition?
[03:35] <utonto_SonoIo> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/NAME /mnt/ntfs
[03:35] <utonto_SonoIo> is it right?
[03:38] <Nano> moin
[03:39] <Nano> wie heisst die datei die beim userlogin ausgefhrt wird. Damit beim login befehle ausgefhrt werden?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> !de
[03:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[03:39] <bernier> !edubuntu
[03:39] <ubotu> I guess edubuntu is the education version of Ubuntu (Ubuntu + educational apps + LTSP). Channel: #edubuntu. Website - http://www.edubuntu.org. Screenshots: http://www.edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[03:42] <exceswater> so....
[03:42] <exceswater> back
[03:42] <GullyFoyle> i finally got my soundcard recognized and working in dapper. no help from anyone here or in the forums though. mebbe 'll post something for other people.
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Try building visual boy advance with gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-4 (see if that helps - I understand most of the dapper emulators are pretty out of date)
[03:43] <SeanTater> GullyFoyle: Similar happened to me
[03:43] <SeanTater> GullyFoyle: But it was a very simple fix
[03:43] <SeanTater> GullyFoyle: look in what lspci says, see if anything looks like it might be a soundcard
[03:44] <GullyFoyle> i had to look up the module and do a modprobe
[03:44] <GullyFoyle> works now
[03:44] <SeanTater> GullyFoyle: okay
[03:45] <SeanTater> GullyFoyle: For  me is what that the external amplifier settingn was on -- and when turned off, the sound worked
[03:45] <samuli> easy question: how do I get flash-plugin for konqueror?
[03:45] <utonto_SonoIo> I need an help... how can i mounta Fat32 partition? how can i mount a Ntfs partition? (from konsole i mean)
[03:45] <SeanTater> samuli: is it already installed
[03:45] <GullyFoyle> dapper still won't boot the latest kernels though. it will boot 2.6.9 or .10 but not .16 or whatever
[03:46] <SeanTater> samuli: have you apt-got it yet?
[03:46] <bernier> h3sp4wn how do i do that?
[03:46] <GullyFoyle> it hangs on "mounting root filesysytem"
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Install gcc-3.4
[03:46] <SeanTater> samuli: here, this should help you
[03:46] <samuli> SeanTater: I have flash-player
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> bernier: run make clean
[03:46] <SeanTater> ubotu tell samuli about restrictedformats
[03:46] <samuli> and plugin for mozilla, but can't find plugin for konqueror
[03:47] <exceswater> so...
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> bernier: then export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[03:47] <SeanTater> samuli: oops -- sent you the wrong factoid
[03:47] <exceswater> i got to go now
[03:47] <exceswater> ...
[03:47] <exceswater> 10x for help
[03:47] <exceswater> and goodbye people :D
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> bernier: then ./configure && make
[03:47] <SeanTater> exceswater: have a good time
[03:47] <exceswater> you 2 man
[03:47] <bernier> ok thanks
[03:47] <exceswater> we meet again
[03:47] <exceswater> i will be back :D
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> bernier: If it still doesn't work the location of gcc may be hardwired in ./Makefile
[03:47] <samuli> SeanTater: no that was helpful actually.
[03:47] <exceswater> 10x for all
[03:48] <samuli> SeanTater: I think I got it now. Thanks.
[03:48] <SeanTater> samuli: okay -- got to konqureor - settings - configure konqueror - plugins
[03:48] <SeanTater> samuli: oops
[03:48] <SeanTater> samuli: okay
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Or are you using autogen.sh (instead of ./configure)
[03:49] <bernier> no i use ./configure
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> bernier: Where are you getting the source from ?
[03:54] <bernier> sourceforge
[03:55] <Hoobly> anyone know much about the "xsetroo: unable to open display" error when starting kde?
[03:56] <bernier> could anyone invite me ti register @ Gmail? :P
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> bernier: ok
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> bernier: To where ?
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> bernier: It needs another e-mail address to send the invite to
[04:00] <bernier> wait
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> bernier: VisualBoyAdvance-1.7.2 builds fine with gcc-3.4 (I can't test whether it works as I don't have any roms for that)
[04:07] <jfro> trying to upgrade to 6.06
[04:07] <jfro> using CD
[04:07] <bernier> ok thanks a lot i'll do it
[04:07] <jfro> apt is being stupid tho and trying /cdrom, is there a way to change that?
[04:08] <defrysk> jfro, comment the cdromline in sources.list
[04:08] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:08] <jfro> yeah but i want ot use CD
[04:08] <jfro> faster...
[04:08] <defrysk> ow
[04:09] <defrysk> my bad
[04:09] <jfro> it's just apt is looking in wrong place
[04:09] <linux_galore> jfro: faster to do a fresh install
[04:09] <jfro> with apt-cdrom i can specify mount point
[04:09] <linux_galore> jfro: updates are very slow even from the cd
[04:09] <jfro> i recently did one tho, can i without destroying havlf my system
[04:10] <linux_galore> jfro: do you have a seperate partition for /home
[04:10] <jfro> heh no
[04:10] <jfro> :-/
[04:10] <linux_galore> jfro: theres your first mistake
[04:10] <jfro> plus i got stuff in /usr/local
[04:10] <jfro> like php, mysql, and ruby
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> bernier: if you do export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 and export CXX=/usr/bin/g++-3.4 (it will build fine - If you have the sdl dev libraries and gcc 3.4 and g++ 3.4)
[04:10] <linux_galore> jfro: yeah but thats all going to be garbage after the update anwyay
[04:11] <jfro> why?
[04:11] <jfro> ruby prob be fine
[04:11] <jfro> mysql, i coudl see php borking
[04:11] <linux_galore> jfro: no binary compatability
[04:11] <jfro> binary format changed?
[04:11] <linux_galore> jfro: just save the markup and flush the rest
[04:11] <linux_galore> jfro: does with every update
[04:12] <jfro> that makes no sense
[04:12] <jfro> unless your refering to somethign different than what i'm thinking of
[04:12] <linux_galore> jfro: well its markup if you can read it in a text editor heh heh
[04:13] <jfro> still doesn't make sens, regarding binary compatibility
[04:13] <jfro> your saying they decided to use something different thanELF? heh
[04:13] <linux_galore> jfro: I keep seperate partitions for /home etc  and then I just flush the system directories on a new install and keep all the other stuff
[04:14] <linux_galore> jfro: no Im saying if you have binaries in there your going to have problems
[04:14] <jfro> yeah if they're linked to stuff that gets upgraded drastically prob
[04:15] <linux_galore> jfro: when I do an install and use a system I always do it in such a way that when I update its very similar to a new install accept i dont format some partitions
[04:16] <jfro> yeah, i should do that
[04:16] <linux_galore> jfro: makes life allot easier
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> You can have stuff installed into your home directory (binaries) and it will work most the time after an upgrade
[04:16] <pgquiles> riddell why isn't there a kdebindings-3.5.3 package for dapper?
[04:17] <linux_galore> h3sp4wn: sometimes you need to have old gcc libs though
[04:18] <h3sp4wn> sometimes (I only do that for some small programs on a machine I don't have root on) and they survived an upgrade from debian woody to debian sarge
[04:19] <jfro> yeah i've never had probs
[04:19] <jfro> i only reinstalled recntly cuz i was on dapper before it was stable
[04:19] <jfro> and it was hosing something i couldn't fix
[04:19] <jfro> with PHP & SOAP
[04:19] <jfro> really weird
[04:21] <Hhhhh> hello, I'm new to ubuntu/kubuntu, I just installed kubuntu draper x86_64 and I want to install nvidia drivers, get DVD, mp3 playback, etc. Where can I look for info?
[04:21] <apokryphos> Hhhhh: /msg ubotu faq
[04:21] <linux_galore> Hhhhh: use an app called easyubuntu
[04:21] <linux_galore> Hhhhh: does all that for you
[04:21] <linux_galore> easyubuntu:
[04:21] <linux_galore> sh: easyubuntu: command not found
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> But does it support x86 64 ?
[04:22] <linux_galore> !easyubuntu
[04:22] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. It may break your system, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[04:22] <havoc> Hhhhh: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[04:22] <railk> i do believe kubuntu just crashed while saving modified network settings...
[04:22] <apokryphos> h3sp4wn: yes
[04:22] <Hhhhh> i'll check it out after I read some at wiki.ubuntu.org. Thanks guys
[04:22] <Hhhhh> I'm a SUSE user, considering switching to kubuntu
[04:23] <h3sp4wn> apokryphos: Are you one of the developers of it ?
[04:23] <apokryphos> nope
[04:24] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: you dont count as a dev?
[04:24] <apokryphos> that's right 8)
[04:25] <Hhhhh> what's the difference between synaptic and adept_installer?
[04:26] <apokryphos> Hhhhh: synaptic is the full-blown GUI front-end to APT (like Yast's Installer); adept_installer is meant to be a more user-friendly application that is more program-centric than package-centric
[04:27] <kkathman> hey apokryphos
[04:27] <apokryphos> hi kkathman
[04:27] <kkathman> apokryphos:  im up on 10.1 :)
[04:27] <apokryphos> cool :)
[04:28] <kkathman> :)
[04:33] <railk> i don't seem to have my routing table or whatever its called set up by default... route returns an empty table... how do i set up the route table?
[04:35] <optotron> hi! I am trying to acess the wLAN through my wireless "netgear" pcimca card, but I dont know where to start or how to make it work...
[04:36] <Hoobly> anyone know much about the "xsetroot: unable to open display" error when starting kde?
[04:37] <barros> hi.. I've installed a vanilla kernel yesterday.. but have a doubt: when I install the kernel_headers (generated by make-kpkg) it creates a directory in /usr/src.. but, doesnt it need to place some includes in the /usr/include directory?
[04:38] <spider_> THC!
[04:41] <iqon> is there a way to play swf movies in kaffeine?
[04:41] <iqon> or better yet, a way to convert swf to avi?
[04:44] <linux_galore> iqon: yeah I saw something that does that a while back
[04:45] <iqon> linux_galore: i've been having trouble finding a way to do it
[04:47] <ItaloIvo> hey, i'm getting a problem with my dsl connection it's not working at the startup
[04:47] <ItaloIvo> someone could help me?
[04:47] <linux_galore> iqon: http://www.swftools.org/
[04:48] <klerfayt> what's up with reiserfs? you don't like it or it's not reliable?
[04:48] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: ?? dsl connection is a modem side problem
[04:49] <ItaloIvo> after the startup with the ifconfig command it seems it's connected
[04:49] <ItaloIvo> but i get no response
[04:49] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: is the modem a standard dhcp setup
[04:50] <NthDegree> klerfayt reiserfs and reiser4 are not good for an operating system
[04:50] <ItaloIvo> but if i use sudo poff and after pon dsl-provider it works
[04:50] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: most of the better modern modems just run a dhcp setup so its a none issue
[04:51] <NthDegree> they do however work well for normal home user data
[04:51] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: if there is a connection problem its on the modem side nothing to do with Linux
[04:51] <ItaloIvo> but it worked fine with the kubuntu 5.10
[04:52] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: you havent told me anything about the modem '
[04:52] <ItaloIvo> i get this problem only when i intalled the kubuntu 6.06
[04:52] <ItaloIvo> its a speedstream 5200
[04:52] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: what type of modem is it, is it USB or ethernet ??
[04:52] <ItaloIvo> ethernet
[04:52] <klerfayt> NthDegree: why isn't reiserfs good filesystem? it's faster than ext3
[04:53] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: can you login the modem with a browser
[04:53] <linux_galore> to*
[04:53] <NthDegree> it is not faster than ext3 when mounting a large filesystem
[04:53] <ItaloIvo> yes i did this once but it was a long time ago
[04:53] <NthDegree> and it can't do SELinux prperly
[04:53] <linux_galore> klerfayt: reiserfs isnt always faster, its also very cpu intensive
[04:54] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: try loggin into the modem first
[04:54] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: if you can do that then you know the ethernet setup if ok
[04:54] <linux_galore> is*
[04:55] <linux_galore> klerfayt: xfs is the best balanced fs of the whole lot
[04:55] <TheHighChild> Why doesn't k/ubuntu use it?
[04:56] <linux_galore> klerfayt: google a review of xfx/reiserfs and ext2/3 (think he did jfs too)
[04:56] <NthDegree> jfs is the least cpu intensive and according to benchmarks is totally mediocre
[04:56] <linux_galore> TheHighChild: doesnt by default but you can if you want
[04:56] <linux_galore> NthDegree: its a balance of speed on system resources
[04:56] <NthDegree> yeah :)
[04:57] <MidMark> hi people
[04:57] <linux_galore> xfs hit the sweet spot, not slow and not a cpu hog
[04:57] <NthDegree> but xfs, jfs etc. panic the kernel more or that is what i have found
[04:57] <TheHighChild> Does anyone know of a good compiling howto for 6.06 x86_64
[04:57] <MidMark> why in kubuntu thunderbird and firefox are so slow? Because they have some layer more than ubuntu?
[04:57] <linux_galore> NthDegree: never had a kernel panic with xfs in 3 years on 47 machines
[04:58] <leafw> question: same machine, either dist-upgraded from breezy or from livecd: they behave different. cupsd and hplip doesn't work on the first. Any clues?
[04:58] <NthDegree> linux_galore i got one after install
[04:58] <leafw> how can one reinstall cupsd without deleting the entire kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:58] <ItaloIvo> linux_galore: the dhcp server is already activated
[04:58] <linux_galore> NthDegree: one doth not make a disaster
[04:58] <NthDegree> leafw kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[04:58] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: so can you log into the modem I didnt ask if dhcp was active
[04:58] <NthDegree> removing it is safe
[04:59] <leafw> NthDegree: I know that.
[04:59] <NthDegree> just use synaptic to reinstall it
[05:00] <MidMark> why in kubuntu thunderbird and firefox are so slow? Because they have some layer more than ubuntu?
[05:00] <h3sp4wn> Because of all the junk they have compiled into them
[05:00] <Hobbsee> MidMark: effectively, yes
[05:00] <h3sp4wn> (i.e pango for a start - unless you need it)
[05:00] <ItaloIvo> i don't know the password
[05:01] <MidMark> Hobbsee: so there is no way to have more speed under kubuntu?
[05:01] <linux_galore> MidMark: because your using gtk based apps (thunderbird firefox) and gnome is gtk based so already has the libs loaded
[05:01] <leafw> I always get, with hplip:
[05:01] <leafw> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:01] <leafw>  hplip
[05:01] <leafw> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> MidMark: hmmm...the mozilla binaries tend to be faster
[05:01] <linux_galore> MidMark: you should be using konqueror and kmail
[05:01] <leafw> and there's no way around. What the hell!?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> leafw: not enough info - pastebin the entire message
[05:01] <MidMark> linux_galore: I'm talking also when they are already opened
[05:01] <NthDegree> leafw you have to tell ubuntu that hplip is already installed
[05:02] <MidMark> linux_galore: kmail is not as goog as thunderbird
[05:02] <linux_galore> MidMark: I notice no difference
[05:02] <linux_galore> MidMark: actually its better
[05:02] <leafw> Hobbsee: dist-upgraded from breezy to dapper, then hplip complained, so I removed it, and when reinstalling that is what one gets.
[05:02] <v3ctor> kmail is just as good as thunderbird
[05:02] <linux_galore> MidMark: thunderbird doesnt have a crm suite were kmail does
[05:02] <MidMark> crm?
[05:03] <v3ctor> and kmail can minimize to tray
[05:03] <linux_galore> also kmail integrates with the whole desktop thunderbird doesnt
[05:03] <leafw> Hobbsee : http://pastebin.com/704410
[05:03] <linux_galore> latest kmail is very good
[05:03] <Hobbsee> that's what i tried
[05:03] <TheHighChild> kmail barrels thunderbird any day of the week but it seems to have a lot of issues with migrations and mass deletions. But Thunderbird has little to no options
[05:03] <Hobbsee> had it crash within the first hour or so :P
[05:04] <Resat> trk varm
[05:04] <TheHighChild> as for konqueror, ugh. I can't make that switch.
[05:04] <MidMark> anyway firefox and TB under kubuntu are terribly slow
[05:04] <linux_galore> TheHighChild: the options are there just hidden in a big assed conf file
[05:04] <ItaloIvo> ok
[05:04] <MidMark> I mean window drawing and all the stuff
[05:04] <v3ctor> i use konqueror 90% of the time now
[05:04] <ItaloIvo> linux_galore: i'm logged
[05:04] <railk> kubuntu crash when changing network settings seems to have messed up kubuntu's networking completely :(
[05:04] <MidMark> also repect windows versions
[05:05] <leafw> and cupsd is using 99% of chip resources, always ... and I can't print
[05:05] <linux_galore> MidMark: thats because there bot gtk there not native to kde
[05:05] <linux_galore> both*
[05:05] <TheHighChild> linux_galore: Gotcha, I can't say I feel like going through that. I like how kmail integrates with everything, the only KDE app I can't get down with is the Konq
[05:05] <klerfayt> linux_galore: xfs is designed for large data sources; that's why I use reiserfs on 40BG hardrive
[05:05] <MidMark> linux_galore: in fact I thought about it... this is a pitty
[05:05] <defrysk> MidMark, you arec clueless arent you ?
[05:05] <linux_galore> MidMark: install the ubuntu-desktop I find the gtk apps seems to clean up a bit
[05:06] <MidMark> linux_galore: never I hate gnome
[05:06] <linux_galore> MidMark: you dont use it, its just there
[05:06] <NthDegree> i have 80GB for each OS that I have
[05:06] <Resat> trk varm
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> there is an experimental qt version of firefox has anyone built that ?
[05:06] <NthDegree> all ext3 and never had speed issues
[05:06] <iNiku> linux_galore: umm, how would that help?
[05:06] <linux_galore> MidMark: I usually use it once to setup the user stuff etc then I never use it again
[05:07] <MidMark> linux_galore: the only gnome apps I use are firefox and TB
[05:07] <linux_galore> iNiku: sets up all the gtk parrameters so apps dont keep falling back on defaults that are crap
[05:07] <aseigo> h3sp4wn: there was something like that years ago ... and about 2 years ago a port of gecko to qt was done ... both were killed by pointed non-interest from the mozilla people
[05:07] <linux_galore> MidMark: firefox and tb are not gnome apps they just use gtk
[05:07] <NthDegree> konqueror is gecko-qt really isn't it?
[05:08] <iNiku> linux_galore: you have any idea which parameters, specifically?
[05:08] <MidMark> linux_galore: I know, but they run smoothly in gnome
[05:08] <TheHighChild> Why does gnome exist?
[05:08] <mongey|tagging> can amarok auto tag all my music files?
[05:08] <linux_galore> iNiku: usually the file selector etc
[05:08] <iNiku> hmm
[05:08] <NthDegree> TheHighChild because people wanted something modular, a franken OS
[05:08] <defrysk> mongey|tagging, get easytag
[05:09] <linux_galore> iNiku: swaps over the the gnome stuff then gets lost rebuilds a default and then starts working
[05:09] <MidMark> ok guys, someone can print with canon ip4200? I have downloaded filters from canon but doens't work here
[05:09] <TheHighChild> NthDegree: I like the setup and layout of it, but the shading and coloring and dullness kills me
[05:09] <ItaloIvo> linux_galore: i did it, i'm logged on the modem
[05:10] <linux_galore> hmm looks like Australia won from all the noise Im hearing
[05:10] <v3ctor> i love the flame war that Linus started about kde vs gnome users
[05:10] <iNiku> what flame war is that? :)
[05:10] <kkathman> Linux people are full of flame wars :)
[05:10] <linux_galore> v3ctor: wast of time really
[05:10] <kkathman> hehe
[05:10] <iNiku> or rather, which
[05:10] <TheHighChild> For the record, vi sucks
[05:10] <defrysk> yes they made 3 goals in the ast 8 minutes
[05:10] <kkathman> linux_galore:  yes it is
[05:10] <MidMark> kkathman: yes like here
[05:10] <v3ctor> linux_galore: yes..but was funny
[05:10] <kkathman> MidMark:  yah
[05:11] <kkathman> silly waste of time :)
[05:11] <linux_galore> defrysk: kicking ass
[05:11] <MidMark> kkathman: just talk about ff and tb and all talk about kmail and knoqueror :(
[05:11] <NthDegree> TheHighChild I like GNOME because it handles GTK apps perfectly
[05:11] <NthDegree> and KDE is integrated so I like that
[05:11] <kkathman> wow imagine that
[05:11] <linux_galore> defrysk: game over yet, it must be all the cars are driving around blowing there horns
[05:11] <kkathman> Gnome handling GTK apps perfectly...hmmm surprising :)
[05:11] <kkathman> hehe
[05:11] <TheHighChild> I run firefox on kde and I don't seem to have any trouble. I don't understand the complaints
[05:11] <NthDegree> XFCE is fast and handles GTK apps well too so I have that on my 3rd system
[05:12] <linux_galore> TheHighChild: same here
[05:12] <MidMark> TheHighChild: firefox under kubuntu is terribly slow than window version
[05:12] <linux_galore> TheHighChild: then again i have gnome installed too
[05:12] <MidMark> slow I mean with 20 tabs openend, switch from one to another
[05:12] <linux_galore> MidMark: use konqueror, it renders better I found
[05:12] <MidMark> TheHighChild: TB is slower too than Windows version
[05:12] <leafw> OLE, an apt-get --purge remove cupsys  and then reinstall saved the day!
[05:13] <TheHighChild> I guess I never noticed. I don't do browser timings or anything. I know in older versions they had some memory leaks and that was suggested for the slowness. I dunno, it barrels for me.
[05:13] <MidMark> linux_galore: yes but it has no all the extensions like firefox
[05:13] <Hoobly> how can I get Kubuntu to re-recognize my video card.  I upgraded from Breezy to Dapper on friday and since, I have not been able to get kde up
[05:13] <linux_galore> MidMark: thats true but it does have some plugins
[05:13] <TheHighChild> Hoobly: You probably don't have the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:14] <samuli> Hoobly: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:14] <linux_galore> theres an idea add a plugin api that will work with all the firefox plugins to konqueror
[05:14] <mongey|tagging> is easytag auto ?
[05:14] <MidMark> ok people I'm not interested in kmail and konqueror now... someone that has a canon ip4200?
[05:14] <Hhhhh> how big should a /boot partition be?
[05:14] <TheHighChild> Hoobly: The dist-upgrade removes it for some folks. Switch to a failsafe terminal and try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:14] <NthDegree> Hhhhh, 100MB
[05:14] <NthDegree> and it should be ext2/3 too
[05:14] <linux_galore> MidMark: lol canon are in the official bad books for 1 making crappy software printers, 2 having bugger all drivers
[05:15] <MidMark> linux_galore: I know but epson and hp are not so cheaper as canon
[05:15] <DeadS0ul> holy crap
[05:16] <DeadS0ul> aussie won
[05:16] <MidMark> I mean for maintain the printer not to buy them
[05:16] <v3ctor> linux_galore: you can add thier cameras to that list also
[05:16] <linux_galore> MidMark: theres  reason the conon stuff is cheap, there nothing on the printers its all run by software in your computer, so you bog down your computer to print anything
[05:16] <linux_galore> canon*
[05:16] <MidMark> linux_galore: you have read?
[05:16] <Hhhhh> what is recommended for kubuntu? reiserfs or ext3?
[05:17] <MidMark> linux_galore: maintain a printer NOT BUY
[05:17] <linux_galore> MidMark: no I have repaired them
[05:17] <NthDegree> ext3 for the system, if you want a home partition make it reiserfs
[05:17] <linux_galore> MidMark: theres nothing in them
[05:17] <ItaloIvo> linux_galore: hey man i logged on the modem's page and what i should do now?
[05:17] <linux_galore> MidMark: just an IO interface
[05:17] <MidMark> linux_galore: I mean how many $$ you pay per page printed
[05:17] <MidMark> linux_galore: you are talking about price for the printer (another thing)
[05:17] <v3ctor> Hhhhh: ext3 is more widely supported, so if you have troubles you will find more forums...but reiserfs is more responsive
[05:17] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: ok if you can log into the modem then its not an ethernet issue so your hardware is fine
[05:18] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: you dont have a driver issue so now its a software issue with dhcp or a permissions problem
[05:19] <MidMark> linux_galore: epson if you have a cheaper printer and the printer prints not well than the first years then you have to basket it
[05:19] <MidMark> linux_galore: hp have colors and black that cost a lot of money
[05:19] <linux_galore> MidMark: Im not a fan or epson stuff either there methods are similar to canons
[05:19] <ItaloIvo> linux_galore: i think it's a permission problem, cause when i startup the system the interface is up, but i can't receive response from the server
[05:20] <ItaloIvo> but if i put down de ppp0 and after that put up again it works
[05:20] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: might want to setup a static connection
[05:21] <TheHighChild> Don't forget the miracles of power-cycling ItaloIvo
[05:21] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: if you have dhcp you dont use ppp
[05:21] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: you have setup the connection wrong
[05:21] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: its just a standard lan connection
[05:22] <ItaloIvo> my modem is a bridge not a router
[05:22] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: so it doesnt have dhcp then
[05:23] <ItaloIvo> i can setup it to become a router
[05:23] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: turn dhcp on in the modem
[05:23] <h3sp4wn> ppp uses radius usually not dhcp
[05:23] <linux_galore> ItaloIvo: then just setup a standard lan connection
[05:24] <railk> gah... kubuntu crashed *again*...
[05:24] <leafw> what is the name of the package that contains the postscript driver ?
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> If he has a connection which requires pppoverethernet then you can't just do that
[05:24] <linux_galore> leafw: there is none postscript is proprietry
[05:24] <linux_galore> leafw: we use ghostscript
[05:26] <linux_galore> h3sp4wn: depends how crap the modem is, new modern modems just emulate a standard lan connection so people can take there laptops to work plug it in and it works and take it home and it works not stuffing around
[05:26] <ItaloIvo> but i can't logon my server as router
[05:27] <linux_galore> h3sp4wn: as soon as someone mentions ppp I usually suspect they baught or got given a really crappy modem
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> linux_galore: If the connection type is ppp over ethernet (or ppp over atm) then either the modem or the router has to run ppp (You may as well just have a router that can do ppp - or a modem that can run some type of open firmware) I would much rather have my linux machine running ppp than that vxworks junk
[05:29] <leafw> linux_galore : I am still impressed at how difficult it is to setup something as trivial as a printer.
[05:31] <leafw> "Unable to create the Foomatic driver" Whatever that means.
[05:31] <linux_galore> leafw: none issue for me, I buy printers that are recognized by default because the makers have good open drivers support
[05:31] <leafw> linux_galore : unfortunately I have to deal with legacy printers (I didn't buy them)
[05:31] <ItaloIvo> i wonder why the interface upped during the startup doesn't work
[05:31] <linux_galore> leafw: when i install Linux with my kyocera/HP printers I didnt have to do a thing "they just worked"
[05:32] <linux_galore> leafw: you cant blame Linux for a problem thats a manufacturer problem
[05:32] <leafw> linux_galore : I have an HP Color Laserjet 3600n and demands the foomatic driver, which is installed, but the wizard thinks it isn't.
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> Italolvo: Probably what ever you are using for the modem has not been initialised yet
[05:32] <leafw> linux_galore : I blaming kubuntu, not linux.
[05:33] <linux_galore> leafw: just manually download the HP driver from HP's home page then install it from the cups manager
[05:34] <linux_galore> leafw: because its listed doesnt mean its installed
[05:34] <leafw> linux_galore : it's listed in apt-cache and adept.
[05:34] <linux_galore> HP make drivers for cups
[05:34] <milena> hello everybody
[05:35] <linux_galore> leafw: just install the driver from HP then get back to me
[05:35] <linux_galore> leafw: take 3 min to do
[05:35] <milena> Does anyone know a way to integrate .pst-data from Outlook Express 6 into Thunderbird?
[05:35] <linux_galore> its a small file
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> Italolvo: The easiest way would be to run ifup from /etc/rcS.d/S99/rc.local (which could be a symlink to /etc/rc.local) or just a script which runs ifup ppp0
[05:36] <MidMark> milena: pst file is an outlook and not outlook express file
[05:36] <MidMark> milena: and no you cannot handle it without windows
[05:36] <MidMark> this is a very old feature missing from TB
[05:36] <milena> MidMark: Ok, but is there any chance of integrating it
[05:37] <MidMark> milena: integrate means for you what?
[05:37] <milena> MidMark: to be able to read my mails again
[05:38] <MidMark> milena: the only thing you can do with TB is to have a windows copy with office and thunderbird and then convert all mails in tb then copy archive to linux
[05:39] <milena> MidMark: Really, I don't have Windows on my machine anymore, but I guess a few friends do
[05:39] <MidMark> milena: I don't knwo if you can convert pst file from kmail and then from kmail to TB
[05:39] <linux_galore> milena: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/libpst/
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> try readpst
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> (its actually in ubuntu)
[05:40] <milena> MidMark: I've already tried readpst, it doesn't work because the pst-file is from Outlook 2003
[05:41] <MidMark> milena: I know but h3sp4wn wrote about that
[05:41] <MidMark> :)
[05:41] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> man i h8 gnome,
[05:41] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> its possible to install kde onto ubuntu right ?
[05:41] <gobbe> yes
[05:41] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> just installed ubuntu for first time
[05:41] <gobbe> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> ty gobbe
[05:41] <gobbe> or just kde-package
[05:42] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> hmm ok
[05:42] <MidMark> milena: the only things to do is to have a windows+outlook2003+thunderbird copy, in fact mails from outlook shit stuff should be converted before and not after ;)
[05:42] <gobbe> kde-core i mean
[05:42] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6: yes just type   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:42] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> just did
[05:43] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6: then you just log out and in the login screen select kde
[05:43] <milena> MidMark: Well thanks for the advice. H3SP4WN: Can you help me?
[05:43] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> yup :)
[05:43] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> if it installs
[05:43] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> still says connecting
[05:44] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6: no reason why it shouldnt Ubuntu and Kubuntu are exactly the same accept the desktop
[05:44] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[05:45] <h3sp4wn> milena: I don't know anything about the pst format but I thought office 2003 had started using xml for everything
[05:45] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6: did you run apt-get update  first
[05:45] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> retrying
[05:45] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> linux_galore: no
[05:45] <MidMark> milena: I'm quite sure you have no alternatives
[05:46] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> running now
[05:46] <becster> hey guys what package do I have to install to get all the right click extract to here etc in konqi?
[05:46] <milena> h3sp4wn: I don't exactly know whether it is really a 2003 pst-file, but the readpst error message does
[05:46] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6:  so how does apt-get know whats on the servers ?? some form of magic ?? no it finds out when you run the update commend and it updates it local package listing to match whats on the remote servers
[05:46] <xst> After upgrading to dapper, firefox freezes extremely often. Anyone else experiencing this?
[05:47] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> linux_galore: ive never used apt-get
[05:47] <linux_galore> xst: nope
[05:47] <MidMark> xst: no
[05:47] <milena> Well thanks guys, I'll find one of those Windows-mouse-movers and ask them for help
[05:47] <MidMark> xst: updated to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:47] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6: well you better learn about it because its how you manage all your software on ubuntu/Kubuntu
[05:47] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> heh
[05:47] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> seems similar to smart
[05:48] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> update failed
[05:48] <linux_galore> Ubuntu_6_0_6:  smart is derived from apt-get
[05:48] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> ok
[05:48] <MidMark> Ubuntu_6_0_6: you don't need for apt-get except for some things, try synoptic for ubuntu or adept for kubuntu
[05:48] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> ok
[05:49] <Ubuntu_6_0_6> well the add/remove thingy is working now
[05:49] <linux_galore> yeah jdub was talking about using "smart" as a package manager because smart works with .deb aswell as rpm
[05:50] <becster> bueller bueller?
[05:50] <linux_galore> anyway Im out
[05:52] <MidMark> why in dapper there is no possibility to have duplication of front/row speakers?
[05:53] <MidMark> I mean amarok doesn't work with rear speakers, tried all stuffs
[05:54] <MidMark> nobody has a surround here?
[06:02] <SeanTater> Only two speakers here
[06:02] <SeanTater> never had any more on a computer
[06:05] <insanekane> is the latest "alternate-install" iso seriously screwed up ?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> You mean 6.06?
[06:06] <insanekane> yes
[06:06] <DaSkreech> man /dev/kubuntu
[06:06] <MidMark> amarok 1.4 is better that 1.3.9? I hear about a lot of problems/bugs
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Not sure I haven't used it yet
[06:07] <insanekane> its wierd
[06:07] <DaSkreech> SeanTater: Shouldn't that be /dev/#kubuntu ?
[06:07] <insanekane> i have 2 machines on which the installer crashes ..
[06:07] <SeanTater> DaSkreech: :D
[06:08] <xst> MidMark: I have the latest dist-upgrade, yes
[06:08] <xst> Need to go
[06:09] <SeanTater> MidMark: Amarok, IMO, has a /very/ fast release schedule and usually the third digit in the version needs to be greater than 3 for it to be stable (1.3.3)
[06:09] <MidMark> SeanTater: understood :)
[06:09] <SeanTater> MidMark: glad to be helpful
[06:10] <MidMark> SeanTater: I really like amarok, but gui should be improved imhop
[06:10] <ru> Can someone please tell me (without bombarding me about standards/RFC's) how to put my signature and reply at the top of the message in Kmail?
[06:11] <SeanTater> MidMark: I don;t mind the GUI, but I only add media, make playlists, turn on random and shuffle, the turn it on and leave it on for eons at a time
[06:12] <MidMark> SeanTater: yes but for me gui is important, for you it can works also a command line player :)
[06:13] <defrysk> juk is a nice player
[06:13] <SeanTater> MidMark: no -- a CLI player won;t do for me, a couple people I have switched to kubuntu also need amarok, and do the same thing, but the fact that there is a GUI makes a BIG difference to them
[06:13] <defrysk> a bit less bloat
[06:13] <ru> Is it possible to put my response at the top of the quote in Kmail?
[06:14] <SeanTater> ru: no clue, looked in "configure Kmail"?
[06:14] <defrysk> and juk has a built in tagger
[06:14] <SeanTater> defrysk: I'll try it..
[06:15] <ru> SeanTater: Yeah I looked everywhere, apparently its not possible
[06:16] <MidMark> I ask for all of you a thing
[06:16] <MidMark> in your opinion is it alsa stuff or kubuntu stuff add a gui to duplicate front to rear speakers?
[06:16] <SeanTater> ru: sorry -- you could file a wish in bugs.kde.org
[06:16] <defrysk> MidMark, alsa
[06:17] <SeanTater> MidMark: Probably neither
[06:17] <SeanTater> MidMark: Alsa will soon be phased out
[06:17] <MidMark> SeanTater: why?
[06:17] <SeanTater> MidMark: alsa is no longer developed either
[06:17] <defrysk> SeanTater, fased out ?
[06:17] <MidMark> SeanTater: really?
[06:17] <defrysk> no longer developed ?
[06:17] <SeanTater> MidMark: in KDE4
[06:18] <SeanTater> MidMark: hold on -- nevermind
[06:18] <defrysk> als is a component of the kernel
[06:18] <defrysk> alsa
[06:18] <SeanTater> MidMark: I have too many similar names
[06:18] <SeanTater> MidMark: that's arts
[06:18] <SeanTater> MidMark: alsa is staying
[06:18] <defrysk> alsa has nothing to do with kde
[06:18] <defrysk> kde uses alsa
[06:18] <MidMark> SeanTater: ok :)
[06:18] <SeanTater> defrysk: I know -- I got the names mixed up
[06:18] <MidMark> SeanTater: so alsa stuff?
[06:19] <defrysk> MidMark, the soundengines all use alsa
[06:20] <defrysk> at least in the 2.6x kernels that is
[06:20] <MidMark> defrysk: I know, but let's read this report written by me... https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2188
[06:20] <MidMark> they don't care about missing feature don't know why
[06:21] <defrysk> MidMark, missing feature ?
[06:22] <MidMark> defrysk: Imho is not acceptable that kmix alsamix and then kmix doesn't let you to duplicate front to rear speaker and to not modify high and basses
[06:22] <defrysk> MidMark, you'd better do some reading about alsa
[06:22] <defrysk> MidMark, and complain to the manufacturors of your soundcard
[06:23] <MidMark> defrysk: what do you mean?
[06:23] <defrysk> they dont give the drivers for linux
[06:23] <PascalFr> !paste
[06:23] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[06:23] <defrysk> MidMark, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALSA_%28Linux%29
[06:23] <sdolnack> hey cats--I've got a problem with clicking links from IRC and Gaim.  They always try to load in Konqueror (not my default browser), and always asks me to save the file as a php or html or what have you
[06:24] <defrysk> MidMark, do some reading ;)
[06:24] <MidMark> defrysk: my card under linux supports very well surround, but there is a missing feature in the gui that prevent me to duplicate front from rear
[06:25] <MidMark> defrysk: I know perfectly how alsa works
[06:25] <defrysk> good
[06:25] <NthDegree_> alsamixer MidMark
[06:25] <NthDegree_> run alsamixer in console
[06:25] <NthDegree_> no missing features there
[06:25] <MidMark> NthDegree_: nope same things
[06:26] <NthDegree_> MidMark not a missing feature then
[06:26] <NthDegree_> it isn't in alsa then
[06:26] <MidMark> NthDegree_: tell me how to duplicate front to rear speakers
[06:26] <MidMark> NthDegree_: via gui of course
[06:27] <NthDegree_> MidMark if the feature isn't in alsamixer then it isn't gonna be in Kmixer
[06:27] <MidMark> NthDegree_: ok, but kmix is only a gui for alsamixer or can be something more?
[06:28] <NthDegree_> it's only a gui frontend for alsamixer as far as i know
[06:28] <MidMark> NthDegree_: so I'm right, it is a feature missing for alsa-mixer :)
[06:28] <NthDegree_> MidMark alsamixer is there for volume controls and switching channel modes
[06:28] <MidMark> NthDegree_: alsa mixer cannot let you change high, basses, front replications sound -> unacceptable
[06:29] <MidMark> alsamixer should do more in 2005
[06:29] <MidMark> sorry 2006
[06:29] <NthDegree_> lmfao
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Is it possible to get a Log dump of the last install you did under apt?
[06:29] <sdolnack> any suggestions?
[06:30] <dimsuz> Hi! Could someone answer a few questions about this distro? :) Currently I'm using Gentoo and I want to look at Kubuntu. Just curious :).
[06:30] <sdolnack> dimsuz: absolutely
[06:30] <dimsuz> The question is? Can I update software with Kubuntu to get new version of it?
[06:30] <dimsuz> s/is?/is./ :)
[06:30] <sdolnack> dimsuz: yes
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: You can backport things from debian sid if youi want
[06:31] <sdolnack> dimsuz: Kubuntu checks ofr updates on packages you have installed and will notify you when a new version is in the repositories
[06:31] <DaSkreech> !tell dimsuz about upgrade
[06:31] <dimsuz> sdolnack: and how big the packages are? I'm on dialup, you know :)
[06:31] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: You may want to look into shipit :-)
[06:31] <sdolnack> dimsuz: yes, adept (the packet manager) tells you how big they are, and how much is inswtalled
[06:32] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: I've already filled a form there ;)
[06:32] <dimsuz> And how fast the new version of eg KDE becomes available to upgrade to?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: Generally a day or so
[06:33] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: although I live in Russia, not sure if it gets here successfully :).
[06:33] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: that's great!
[06:33] <SeanTater> defrysk: hey -- using juk
[06:33] <SeanTater> defrysk: thanks -- I really like it
[06:33] <defrysk> SeanTater, cool ;)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> It should :)
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: A day or so after it goes into sid usually not a day after it is released
[06:33] <SeanTater> defrysk: I think I will be using it instead for the most part
[06:34] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: When does it go into sid?
[06:34] <defrysk> SeanTater, its less bloat
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Usually a day before
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: (well it did last time)
[06:35] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: and maybe by any chance adept can transfer some binary diff (xdelta) between packages? That saves download time. Or no?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: Nope :)
[06:36] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: so to install new kdelibs I have to download 10+Mb everytime? :)
[06:36] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: thats the way itworks with binary unfortunately
[06:36] <sdolnack>  /msg Snake[Sleep]
[06:36] <sdolnack> ack
[06:36] <DaSkreech> heehee
[06:36] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: ok, understood :).
[06:37] <edneymatias> how do i access the channel factoids?
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> I hope that the apt-get / aptitude of {k}ubuntu get support for just giving diff's for the package list soon
[06:37] <dimsuz> And one (last) question: I buyed Gentoo only once - 3 or 4 years ago, and after that I just update every week or so. Is this possible with Kubuntu? Or it sometimes introduces 'global' changes?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Tell me about it
[06:38] <dimsuz> ...and I need to buy new CD...
[06:38] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: Officially it has a major release every 6 months with some small updates in between those
[06:39] <DaSkreech> the Current one is LTS (Long term support) and is supported for 3 years
[06:39] <DaSkreech> The normal support cycle is 18 months
[06:39] <DaSkreech> They expect to have a LTS edition every 4 releases
[06:40] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: yes, but can I live without getting a new CD every 6 months - just do update with Adept - and that's all? :)
[06:40] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: You can download the ISO for the new release and update from that. You can update directly from the internet and you can request a CD be sent to you
[06:40] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: Yup :) Hope you have a friend with fast net you can bother once every 6 months ;-)
[06:41] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: I hope this too :))). Not the one I know about at the moment ;)
[06:41] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: thanks very much, you've been very helpful! :) Good luck!
[06:41] <edneymatias> is there an URL where i can search for subjects discussed here in channel?
[06:41] <dimsuz> Thanks very much to you all, you've been very helpful! :) Good luck!
[06:42] <DaSkreech> dimsuz: You can request the Offcial CD and you would be a few weeks behind but it would save you many days of downloading
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> hrm, i got my sound working but it doesn't persist between reboots. how do i get it to load the module automatically on boot?
[06:42] <dimsuz> DaSkreech: ok! Thanks again ;)
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> put the modules into /etc/modules is the easiest way
[06:42] <DaSkreech> hi kkathman
[06:44] <GullyFoyle> h3sp4wn: how do i know the name of the module? i mean, the listed modules in /etc/modules is very generic; lp mousedev etc.
[06:44] <GullyFoyle> h3sp4wn: put snd in there?
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: whatever you modprobed to manually get it working just put that in there
[06:45] <sdolnack> can gaim be set up to automatically A) ingore login messages from nickserv and memoserv and B) automatically join #kubuntu?
[06:45] <GullyFoyle> h3sp4wn: so if i put snd-ens1371 (it's an old sblive) it should work?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: if to get it working you just typed modprobe snd-ens1371 - then that would get it working
[06:46] <edneymatias> does anyone know where is that url to access channel logs and search for subjects discussed here?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: Hard to say without actually knowing what you did
[06:47] <GullyFoyle> h3sp4wn: "sudo modprobe snd-1371" was what i used
[06:47] <winbond> is there some kind of cleanup command that will remove all broken packages or something like that ?
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: put just snd-1371 in there then
[06:48] <GullyFoyle> h3sp4wn: ok i'll try it
[06:48] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: not that I know of
[06:49] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: YOu may want to ask in #gaim
[06:49] <GullyFoyle> oops, snd-ens1371 is what i meant
[06:49] <iBulk> ok let's say i'm doing a command like this
[06:49] <iBulk> gzip -d file.tar.gz | tar -xvf (here)
[06:49] <iBulk> what goes (here) to wait wtf
[06:50] <GullyFoyle> gaim has vastly improved over a couple of years
[06:50] <GullyFoyle> it used to be quite primitive
[06:50] <iBulk> he was asking me a stupid question how to untar the result of a ungunzip
[06:50] <iBulk> lol
[06:51] <sdolnack> DaSkreech: you can; you need to ad it to yer buddy list
[06:53] <Ron_o> is there a quicklauncher in Kubuntu? Like alt-F2 in ubuntu?
[06:53] <aseigo> alt-f2
[06:53] <iBulk> lol
[06:53] <Ron_o> it doesn't work for me.
[06:53] <samuli> works for me.
[06:53] <weedar> are you using a microsoft or other keyboard that "enables/disables" the F-buttons Ron_o?
[06:54] <aseigo> Ron_o: go to the keyboard shortcuts control panel and in the GLobal Shortcuts panel type "run" in the search box
[06:54] <Ron_o> hmmm, well, I guess it's a against me then.
[06:54] <Ron_o> weedar, no.
[06:54] <aseigo> Ron_o: see what it has associated with it
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Ron_o: Can You open a Konqueror window?
[06:54] <samuli> Ron_o: sudo apt-get install katapult. It's sweeet.
[06:54] <DaSkreech> sdolnack: Oh Yeah I meant about the auto-join
[06:55] <DaSkreech> If you can open one press F4 and see what happens
[06:56] <Ron_o> I can't even run a command.
[06:56] <Ron_o> Forget it. I have too many DE's on my system.
[06:56] <Ron_o> and WMs..
[06:56] <Ron_o> it's killing me.
[06:57] <Ron_o> the thing is I really like K3b and I hear it runs best when it's in KDE.
[06:57] <kosh> that sure sounds like a screwy things about your keyboard
[06:58] <Ron_o> I'm just too good at breaking systems. :)
[06:58] <kosh> that means you know far too little then
[06:58] <kosh> basically just enough to break the system
[06:58] <Ron_o> the thing is 6 months ago when I installed Ubuntu, I wanted to try *everything*..
[06:58] <Ron_o> kosh, exactly.
[06:58] <Ron_o> I'm much better now.
[06:59] <Ron_o> at both fixing and *at* breaking the system. :)
[06:59] <kosh> that is just pretty much the phase that people have the most problems
[06:59] <kosh> the real newbies don't know how to break the systems and the experts know how not to break the system
[06:59] <Republica_checa> 2  0
[06:59] <Republica_checa> *0*
[06:59] <Ron_o> exactly.
[07:00] <Ron_o> my biggest problems so far have meen mounting and unmounting.
[07:00] <Ron_o> I'd no idea what I was in'fer.
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the parameter for appending, not cleaning ? so i need to append something to test.txt i need: ls >> text.txt
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> i can't define me
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> so i want append, not overwrite
[07:01] <Ron_o> MetaMorfoziS, you mean edit?
[07:01] <MetaMorfoziS> no, append:)
[07:01] <MetaMorfoziS> add
[07:01] <MetaMorfoziS> not append, add!
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> ls >> test.txt
[07:02] <Republica_checa> Latinoamerica!
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> is overwrite
[07:02] <Republica_checa> USA is not America.
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> i need adding
[07:02] <defrysk> usa just owns america
[07:03] <Republica_checa> Yes, USA own Republica Checa. 8-)
[07:03] <Ron_o> MetaMorfoziS, I still don't get it. You need to add something to text.txt?
[07:03] <MetaMorfoziS> so how can i add?
[07:03] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[07:03] <MetaMorfoziS> with pipe and >>
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> from terminal
[07:04] <Ron_o> you have to open it with a text editor.
[07:04] <Desh> Hey, why would Kopete be able to signon to AIM but Gaim is not?
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> nono
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> from console
[07:04] <Ron_o> sudo <editor of choice> <name of file>
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> try: cd ~; ls >> test.txt
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> Ron_o: don'T be stupid
[07:04] <Ron_o> other than that I can't help you.
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> in test.txt you see you home's listing
[07:05] <Ron_o> sorry.
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> i need to add
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> not overwrite
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> the >> operator overwrites the file
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> i need an operator that adds
[07:06] <trappist> MetaMorfoziS: > overwrites.  >> appends.
[07:06] <MetaMorfoziS> hm
[07:06] <MetaMorfoziS> i miss checked something:D
[07:06] <MetaMorfoziS> thx
[07:06] <georgeblunt> !repository
[07:06] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, georgeblunt
[07:07] <SeanTater> ubotu rell georgeblunt about repos
[07:07] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, SeanTater
[07:07] <SeanTater> !repos
[07:07] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:08] <SeanTater> ubotu tell georgeblunt about repo
[07:08] <SeanTater> ubotu tell georgeblunt about repos
[07:08] <georgeblunt> ah! ^
[07:08] <SeanTater> ah-ha it worked this time
[07:08] <georgeblunt> tnx :) .. was looking for this easysource thing
[07:08] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone tell me where the source code for my applications is kept??
[07:08] <SeanTater> !easysource
[07:08] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:08] <AMEGALUSX> like the c++ files
[07:09] <georgeblunt> thanks alot
[07:09] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone tell me where the source code for my applications is kept??
[07:10] <winbond> is there some kind of cleanup command that will remove all broken packages or something like that ?
[07:10] <trappist> winbond: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:10] <Ron_o> winbond, synaptic can help you with that.  ...
[07:11] <Ron_o> so can apt-get. :)
[07:11] <winbond> trappist: what does it do?
[07:11] <winbond> Ron_o: what do i do in synaptics?
[07:11] <trappist> winbond: -f is shorthand for --fix-broken
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> aptitude would help with it best (interactive aptitude)
[07:12] <trappist> winbond: see the man page for details
[07:12] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone tell me where the source code for my applications is kept??
[07:12] <winbond> trappist: oh , ty
[07:12] <trappist> AMEGALUSX: try rephrasing (rather than just repeating) your question
[07:18] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: by default the source code for packages is not installed on your computer so they are kept on the archive servers
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Ron_o: Whats up with mounting?
[07:22] <gil> do i have to use VNC on windows xp machine to connect to my kubuntu box remotely
[07:22] <gil> ?
[07:22] <gil> can i not use Remote Desktop in Xp
[07:24] <Quick_silver> !de
[07:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[07:26] <Snake> sdolnack: you rang?
[07:27] <sdolnack> Snake: nope, just used your name to set up my nickname on freenode
[07:27] <sdolnack> Snake: but maybe you can help me with wine :-P
[07:28] <Snake> sdolnack: I doubt it, I hate that POS
[07:29] <sdolnack> lol
[07:29] <sdolnack> !language
[07:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[07:29] <sdolnack> rofl
[07:29] <Snake> POS = Point of sale
[07:29] <Snake> ty very much.
[07:29] <sdolnack> oh yeah
[07:29] <Snake> :D
[07:29] <Snake> "let us sell you our POS!"
[07:29] <Snake> hehe
[07:29] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone tell me where the source code for my applications is kept??
[07:30] <Snake> AMEGALUSX: its not "kept" anywhere, you have to download it sepreatly
[07:30] <sdolnack> AMEGALUSX: which applications?
[07:30] <AMEGALUSX> oh my bad, someone already answered me
[07:30] <AMEGALUSX> sorry
[07:30] <Snake> np! :)
[07:30] <AMEGALUSX> actually....they really didnt
[07:31] <Snake> rofl
[07:31] <Snake> AMEGALUSX: if you want the source to any application, I beleive its "apt-get install -source <application>" but let me check
[07:31] <AMEGALUSX> i thought by default, the source code for the packages i have come with the packages
[07:31] <Snake> No, they are prebuilt binarys
[07:31] <AMEGALUSX> and the linux kernel source comes with the distro
[07:32] <AMEGALUSX> i thought it HAD to
[07:32] <Snake> AMEGALUSX: Nope
[07:32] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: it does not have to it just has to be available
[07:32] <sdolnack> anyone here good w/ Wine?
[07:32] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: trust me after you have downloaded openoffice you don't want to download the sourcecode for it also :)
[07:32] <sdolnack> hah
[07:33] <AMEGALUSX> well, i just want to see the source code for various apps so I can learn
[07:33] <Snake> AMEGALUSX: heres how to do it
[07:33] <Snake> AMEGALUSX: sudo apt-get source <app name>
[07:33] <kosh> you can specifically install them
[07:33] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: Start with simple stuff :-)
[07:34] <kosh> ie not mozilla, kde, gnome, openoffice, kernel etc
[07:34] <Snake> hehe
[07:34] <AMEGALUSX> i was going to look at kate
[07:34] <Snake> kosh: the kernel is fun to look at :)
[07:34] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: what language are you trying to learn
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Oh I was going to say kernel  :(
[07:35] <Snake> AMEGALUSX: sudo apt-get source kate :)
[07:35] <AMEGALUSX> well i am decent at C++ and Java already
[07:35] <kosh> DaSkreech: the kernel is very large and complex, as far as learning c goes it is not a great idea
[07:35] <AMEGALUSX> but i still have alot to learn
[07:35] <AMEGALUSX> and i want to get more familiar with application dev
[07:35] <DaSkreech> kosh: I know but he would have learnt a lot :)
[07:35] <Snake> kosh: its not really large large.. its got tons of lil files :)
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Mostly not to listen to me
[07:35] <kosh> for java apps there are not many in the system, for c++ there are a lot of kde apps
[07:35] <kosh> the kernel is c
[07:35] <AMEGALUSX> lol, yes i am male
[07:36] <DaSkreech> okJust confirming :)
[07:36] <kosh> some programs are perl, some are python, some are ruby, and some are combinations of lots of languages
[07:36] <kosh> so what language are you trying to learn?
[07:36] <AMEGALUSX> ok, it is downloading kate source code
[07:37] <AMEGALUSX> do any of you guys program for linux?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: Want to answer kosh's question?
[07:37] <kosh> I do
[07:37] <kosh> I write python apps for zope app server and have for about 6 years now
[07:38] <AMEGALUSX> i answered it
[07:38] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: you said what languages you know a little of, you did not say what languages you are trying to learn
[07:38] <AMEGALUSX> well, i am just trrying to get better with C/C++
[07:38] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: also please tell me that if you are going to write software professionally that you are also reading lots of technical docs and not just trying to learn from other peoples source code
[07:39] <kosh> C and C++ are very different, if you write one like the other you have not learned enough about them
[07:39] <AMEGALUSX> i dont write one like the other
[07:39] <AMEGALUSX> to be honest i only mainly know C++
[07:39] <AMEGALUSX> but ive written a few simple programs in C
[07:39] <sdolnack> kosh: they're not VERY different... if you know one you won't have a hard tim elearning the other
[07:39] <AMEGALUSX> i am not professional
[07:40] <AMEGALUSX> i am still a student
[07:40] <AMEGALUSX> but I am a computer engineering student
[07:40] <kosh> sdolnack: if you know c you have a vast ammount to be any good at c++
[07:40] <AMEGALUSX> so yes, i do read lots of technical books
[07:40] <DaSkreech> excellent :) Welcome to the pack
[07:40] <kosh> sdolnack: for good c++ you need to understand and know how to correctly use namespaces, templates, stl and many other things
[07:41] <sdolnack> kosh: yes, i know this, but they are quite similar in many aspects
[07:41] <AMEGALUSX> daskreech, are you a programmer?
[07:41] <kosh> I have just had to replace far too many systems that where written by people that knew squat about what they are doing
[07:41] <DaSkreech> I program some
[07:41] <AMEGALUSX> sdolnack is right
[07:41] <kosh> and the next time I have to replace a mysql db based app the price is going to get trippled
[07:41] <sdolnack> I myself am majoring in comp sci to be a programmer.  I took a c++ class in high school, but then CS111 at univ taught java, so i know a little bit of both
[07:41] <kosh> sdolnack: I think viewing them as similar is a huge trap to get into
[07:42] <sdolnack> although the c++ class taught like c for most of it--it was annoying
[07:42] <kosh> c++ can actually be more efficient line for line then java is and easier to read
[07:42] <DaSkreech> They have the same reserved words
[07:42] <AMEGALUSX> kosh, i am a strong believer in reverse engineering when it is legal...so i think it is really good to try to learn from other's source code if avaialble
[07:42] <sdolnack> java seems sloppy
[07:42] <kosh> however most people know squat about c++, they just know some c and a little c++ syntax
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Thats' fine :)
[07:42] <sdolnack> like it doesn't seem as serious of a programming language as c or c++
[07:43] <AMEGALUSX> java is serious, it just isnt as powerful because it sacrifices power for portability
[07:43] <kuba> sdolnack, you really mean that?
[07:43] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: reading others code is fine but reading docs is very very important also, otherwise you end up in the trap that many people fall into where a bad idea is just copied over and over and people don't know it is a bad idea
[07:43] <method|> if you know c++ it will take you like 5 minutes to be decent at C
[07:43] <kosh> personally I prefer python for just about anything
[07:43] <method|> i dont know how it would be going from c to c++
[07:43] <kuba> sdolnack, java is just different
[07:43] <Snake>  python <3
[07:43] <sdolnack> kuba: I don't know.  i'm fairly new to programming, and I've just sort of viewed java as more for
[07:43] <purucho> somy body speak spanish
[07:43] <method|> but for me going from c++ to c was terribly easy
[07:44] <AMEGALUSX> kosh, i understand completely, and trust me...i do read lots of tech docs
[07:44] <purucho> some body speak spanish
[07:44] <method|> c++ to c# was really easy also
[07:44] <sdolnack> hola!
[07:44] <Snake> sdolnack: nice
[07:44] <kosh> purucho: I don't speak spanish
[07:44] <DaSkreech> !tell purucho about es
[07:44] <method|> i would say c# > java also
[07:44] <method|> there's something about java that just doesnt sit right with me
[07:44] <kosh> if you transition languages easily then you did not realy learn the new language
[07:44] <sdolnack> coz java has the garbage collector, which is a big memory hog, no?
[07:44] <sdolnack> but then java can do strings, which is very very nice
[07:44] <AMEGALUSX> yes
[07:44] <method|> im probably biased because im employed as a asp.net c# programmer :D
[07:45] <Snake> asp.net.... thats MS tech isnt it?
[07:45] <AMEGALUSX> it is safer because of that garbage collector though
[07:45] <kosh> just like I have seen some really slow python that people write and they blame python for it but the problem is that they wrote c in python and I see that in all kinds of other languages
[07:45] <kuba> sdolnack, depends on implementation. But I'd prefer a memory hog over a segfault :)
[07:45] <method|> Snake: yes
[07:45] <kosh> it takes 20+ years to actually master c++
[07:45] <Snake> method|: go learn PHP :P
[07:45] <Snake> :)
[07:45] <method|> why? lol
[07:45] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: you can use a garbage collector with c++ and there are many good ones
[07:45] <method|> i know some php
[07:45] <AMEGALUSX> not with C though
[07:45] <sdolnack> to tell you all the truth I prefer brainf*ck over everything else
[07:45] <method|> cant see any advantages over asp.net to
[07:45] <Snake> method|: so that youll have a job when MS goes under :) (im just playin around dude)
[07:45] <method|> tho*
[07:46] <method|> besides the fact that it's M$
[07:46] <method|> lol
[07:46] <sdolnack> Hello World in brainf*ck:  ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-] >++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
[07:46] <method|> actually the whole reason why i got back into linux was to start getting more into php
[07:46] <method|> after about 6 months i havent gotten around to it yet lol
[07:47] <kosh> http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides that is an interesting read
[07:47] <kosh> I am a language based developer so I have very high standards for what knowing a language is
[07:48] <AMEGALUSX> kosh: what do you develop?
[07:49] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: I write db stuff in zope, all kinds of custom stuff for the last 6 years or so
[07:49] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i start an application from tty?
[07:49] <MetaMorfoziS> to any display 0
[07:50] <wrede> test
[07:50] <kubu22> Any idea why apt-get install xine-extracodecs isn't working in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS AMD64?  (Yes, I've enabled universe and multiverse)
[07:51] <AMEGALUSX> kosh: are you freelance or somethin?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> !offtopic
[07:51] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[07:51] <DaSkreech> or #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:51] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:52] <wrede> I have a new dapper kubuntu installation on my Thinkpad P4-M. Installed automatix stuff and 686 Kernel and it had already locked solid several times. Totally unacceptable! Any ideas
[07:52] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: I have my own business
[07:53] <AMEGALUSX> nice
[07:53] <kosh> AMEGALUSX: have gotten a fair number of contracts where the customer found us because they could not find anyone else in the area that could get the job done
[07:53] <AMEGALUSX> kosh: always good to be the only resort
[07:54] <kosh> the projects are interesting but sometimes very nasty
[07:54] <AMEGALUSX> what is an example of a project you might get?
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Whats the Cd command to go to the last directory you were in?
[07:55] <morrow> cd -
[07:55] <GazzaK> is there a way to mirror or ghost a kubuntu image from one hard drive to another different sized hard drive? (which is currently sitting in a drawer)
[07:55] <AMEGALUSX> Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x armagetron_<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3.dsc' failed.
[07:55] <AMEGALUSX> dang
[07:55] <kosh> we recently got a sign company which has some nasty ecommerce stuff on it, each line item has a price that varies by quantity and sometimes with respect to another line item
[07:55] <kosh> however they don't vary consistently with resepect to quantity
[07:56] <kosh> so no normal ecommerce system can handle it
[07:56] <DaSkreech> morrow: Thanks
[07:56] <AMEGALUSX> hmm sounds complicated
[07:56] <Ayabara> when I try to erase a cdrw disc in k3b I get "Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied)"
[07:56] <DaSkreech> GazzaK: Umm not using dd?
[07:57] <kosh> so the customer will custom define quantity points/prices and the system will scan that table to figure out what the unit price is based on quantity in the cart to figure out the price
[07:57] <GazzaK> DaSkreech, is that a question or an answer?
[07:57] <kosh> little more complex then that but the system is working very well
[07:57] <DaSkreech> GazzaK: Both
[07:57] <AMEGALUSX> kosh: sounds cool
[07:57] <GazzaK> aww
[07:57] <DaSkreech> dd is the simple answer
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Unless you already know dd and wanted something else
[07:58] <GazzaK> erm, what is dd?  an app?
[07:58] <AMEGALUSX> when i DL a package, where does it go?
[07:58] <AMEGALUSX> im gonna unpack this thing manually
[07:58] <GazzaK> sorry I'd never heard of dd before, I thought you meant Dapper Drake! :p
[07:59] <kosh> dd is a way to copy data pretty much
[07:59] <DaSkreech> GazzaK: dd == data duplicator
[08:00] <GazzaK> can it copy it in such a way as to make the other drive bootable, just like the first?
[08:00] <Ron_o> dd copies everything, including unused space.
[08:00] <Ron_o> partimage just copies used space.
[08:00] <DaSkreech> GazzaK: The simple method is dd if=/dev/hda.source of=/dev/hdb.target
[08:00] <DaSkreech> GazzaK: You may want to man dd though
[08:00] <GazzaK> can it copy a 60Gb drive (5gb used) to a 30Gb drive?
[08:01] <Ron_o> you might if you use partimage... but not with dd as far as I know.
[08:01] <kosh> yeah
[08:01] <kosh> however doing it I would not recommend
[08:01] <GazzaK> why not kosh ?
[08:02] <AMEGALUSX> is usr/share where application source code should be located??
[08:02] <GazzaK> reason for this is to basically make a test machine and a live machine on the same box.  if it's gonna be hard, then i'll build again using the 30Gb drive
[08:02] <GazzaK> just thought it was worth asking
[08:03] <MetaMorfoziS> can i see my tty from ssh?
[08:03] <GazzaK> as ghost would do it to a windows installation, and i've used that a lot before
[08:03] <Ron_o> the difference in linux you can do it right in linux live w/o rebooting.
[08:03] <Ron_o> even apps you are using you can copy.
[08:04] <Ron_o> although, the latter may not be recommended.
[08:05] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:05] <DaSkreech> purucho__: Are you ok?
[08:05] <DaSkreech> purucho___: Are you ok?
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> MetaMorfoziS: use finger
[08:06] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone tell me what directory a package ends up in when its downloaded?
[08:06] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[08:06] <MetaMorfoziS> how
[08:06] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: Are you using adept?
[08:06] <GazzaK> i'll try partimage and or dd, thank you folks, you are great :)
[08:06] <DaSkreech> GazzaK: We know we know :)
[08:06] <AMEGALUSX> well i used the console
[08:07] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: Did you apt-get it or wget it?
[08:07] <barros> anyone here succed installing vmware without any-any pathces?
[08:07] <AMEGALUSX> apt
[08:07] <DaSkreech> ok then it should be in your path
[08:07] <Ron_o> "which" command can help a little.
[08:07] <kosh> strangely enough it actually goes in the dir you ran the command in
[08:07] <AMEGALUSX> you mean, home?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> whereis or which should find it
[08:08] <DaSkreech> kosh: huh?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> kosh: For apt?
[08:08] <AMEGALUSX> oh wow, found it
[08:08] <AMEGALUSX> thanks
[08:08] <kosh> DaSkreech: go ahead and try it, the source packages are not integrated into the system, they just go in whatever dir you ran the command in
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Ah Source :) I forgot the gist of the konversation
[08:09] <MetaMorfoziS> h3sp4wn:
[08:09] <MetaMorfoziS> eta@macisajt:~$ finger tty2
[08:09] <MetaMorfoziS> finger: tty2: no such user.
[08:10] <MetaMorfoziS> what i type wrong?
[08:10] <RadiantFire> tty2 isn't a user
[08:10] <RadiantFire> its a terminal screen
[08:10] <RadiantFire> you can't finger it
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> MetaMorfoziS: Look at the output of finger and the specific options - parse it yourself
[08:11] <MetaMorfoziS> ok, how can i check my tty2?
[08:11] <MetaMorfoziS> or finger can't do that?
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> or use who
[08:12] <MetaMorfoziS> i want to acces a machine's tty from ssh
[08:12] <MetaMorfoziS> is it possible with finger?
[08:12] <DaSkreech> MetaMorfoziS: Let me see if i can calrify
[08:12] <DaSkreech> clarify :)
[08:12] <DaSkreech> You want to ssh into a machine then change your tty?
[08:12] <rafael> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:13] <obscurite> Anyone know why the printers screen in kcontrol hangs?
[08:20] <DaSkreech> !ops
[08:20] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee or gnomefreak!
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Ah Knew there was a command for it :)
[08:21] <kkathman> apokryphos:  no such luck
[08:21] <nalioth> DaSkreech: ?
[08:21] <uniq> daskreech: there is !kops too, i think.
[08:21] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Never mind Riddell already kickbanned him
[08:21] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Had a rabble rouser
[08:21] <nalioth> DaSkreech: use !kops please
[08:21] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Didn't know about kops Thanks
[08:22] <pradeepto> Riddell:
[08:22] <obscurite> so my cups error_log says "LoadAllClasses: Unable to open /etc/cups/classes.conf" - could that be what's stalling the print mgr?
[08:22] <pradeepto> Riddell: around?
[08:23] <Riddell> pradeepto: if you're quick
[08:23] <pradeepto> Riddell:
[08:23] <pradeepto> yes
[08:23] <obscurite> It also says "LoadDevices: Backend did not respond within 30 seconds!"
[08:23] <pradeepto> Riddell: what's the equivalent to Suse's xorg-x11-devel-6.9.0-48 ?
[08:23] <pradeepto> on Dapper?
[08:24] <Riddell> xserver-xorg-dev
[08:24] <Riddell> pradeepto: apt-get build-dep kdelibs kdebase   brings in most of what you'll ever need
[08:25] <pradeepto> Riddell: hmmm will it work if I need it for building kdelibs from svn/3.3
[08:25] <pradeepto> Riddell: I ask this because libs and base from 3.3 got built nicely.
[08:26] <Riddell> pradeepto: yes, should do
[08:26] <pradeepto> Riddell: but pim stuff is asking for missing "X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h"
[08:26] <insanekane> hi pradeepto
[08:26] <pradeepto> insanekane: hey there, long time dude
[08:26] <insanekane> Riddell: have you gopt any reports of xserver-xorg crashing on the latest Kubuntu alternate-install iso ?
[08:27] <NthDegree_> Kubuntu-alternate-install is flawed
[08:27] <n73n53> is this the forum i go to for help with kubuntu?
[08:27] <Riddell> insanekane: that's quite a general thing to report
[08:27] <Riddell> NthDegree_: in what way?
[08:27] <NthDegree_> yes n73n53
[08:27] <NthDegree_> crashes on Select and Install Software Riddell
[08:27] <Riddell> pradeepto: check packages.ubuntu.com to find out where that file is
[08:27] <insanekane> Riddell: it happens with intel graphics cards
[08:28] <Riddell> NthDegree_: worked for me and the others who validated it
[08:28] <Riddell> NthDegree_: do you have a bug report?
[08:28] <n73n53> i just put a new drive in and i need help figuring out how to access it, its formated for windows.
[08:28] <insanekane> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/48164
[08:28] <pradeepto> Riddell: installing xserver-xorg-dev didnot help :(
[08:28] <NthDegree_> unfortuantely not Riddell, there's no information I can give really except the standard error it gives (about a setup step failing)
[08:29] <DaSkreech> n73n53: Try System Settings -> Disk and Filesystems
[08:29] <Riddell> NthDegree_: did you validate the burnt CD?
[08:29] <insanekane> Riddell: it just doesnt complete the installation process ... and oh yeah, the with latest kubuntu (if the install doesnt work as mentioned), the partition table gets screwed, and I cant boot any OS
[08:29] <NthDegree_> Riddell, I used k3b and that verified it as 100% binary compatible
[08:29] <DrBair> anyone sucessful in getting an intel 945 board to suspend to RAM? Mine resumes with the hard drive readonly
[08:30] <insanekane> pradeepto: yes, been away for a while ... was very excited about the latest kubuntu .... until I actually downloaded it, and tried to install it :/
[08:30] <DaSkreech> NthDegree_: I think he means run the CD check when it boots
[08:30] <pradeepto> why what happened now?
[08:30] <insanekane> pradeepto: so many many problems
[08:31] <insanekane> i was so damn embarrassed when I installed it at a senior person's home computer
[08:31] <NthDegree_> oh in that case I can't comment, but i've used that same CD-RW for ubuntu alternate install and it was fine and i've downloaded and tried the kubuntu one on that same CD-RW multiple times
[08:31] <insanekane> it destroyed the partition table ... now he is unable to boot into windows
[08:31] <insanekane> pradeepto: and this was after flight-5 installed properly
[08:32] <insanekane> on that very same machine
[08:32] <pradeepto> insanekane: was that the release version or beta
[08:32] <pradeepto> insanekane: and that partition table can be fixed easily hoping that you didnot mess with it much.
[08:33] <noaXess> if i plugin in my headphones on my laptop, the sound stops.. sound is only available if no headphones are pluged?.. any idea?
[08:33] <pradeepto> insanekane: I have had faced that problem with beta1 and that was bug in ubiquity.
[08:33] <obscurite> My whole printing problem was that lo wasn't up and cups didn't want to work without loopback
[08:33] <obscurite> jeez.
[08:33] <pradeepto> insanekane: a simple "adjustment" to the hdd geometry using a forensic cd can fix the issue.
[08:34] <pradeepto> insanekane: that's from my personal experience.
[08:34] <pradeepto> insanekane: it's a know bug and is mentioned on wiki. Even mvo faced the same thing as me and you.
[08:34] <Ron_o> how long does it take to erase a cd-rw fully in K3b?
[08:34] <pipitas> obscurite: was that CUPS 1.1 or CUPS 1.2?
[08:35] <pradeepto> Riddell: thanks the package name is x11proto-scrnsaver-dev :)
[08:35] <DaSkreech> any one know what scp - p does?
[08:35] <obscurite> pipitas - not sure actually
[08:36] <pradeepto> DaSkreech: secure copy
[08:36] <DaSkreech> pradeepto: uh uh
[08:36] <DaSkreech> the -p?
[08:36] <obscurite> daskreach - man is your friend :)
[08:36] <DaSkreech> I read man
[08:36] <DaSkreech> It's obscure
[08:36] <DaSkreech> It says it keeps modes
[08:36] <pradeepto> yes the mod times and wht not.
[08:36] <obscurite> It keeps permissions and dates
[08:36] <DaSkreech> is that Old Man UNIX talk for permissions?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> AH thats the - option that gets me paid :_)
[08:37] <obscurite> the flag works the same in cp
[08:37] <mitakka> Hi, anybody use superkaramba???
[08:37] <barros> NoUse: well, that is exactly what I did, but with no success. i' musing a custom kernel, compiled from the vanilla source!!
[08:37] <DaSkreech> obscurite: Right it's not called modes I think
[08:37] <barros> NoUse: 2.6.16-20
[08:37] <obscurite> pipitas - it was 1.1
[08:38] <pipitas> obscurite: in CUPS 1.2 local printing does work even without loopback up, as long as there is a "Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock" line in cupsd.conf and a "ServerName /var/run/cups/cups.sock" in /etc/cups/client.conf (or an env var of "CUPS_SERVER=/var/run/cups/cups.sock")
[08:38] <insanekane> pradeepto: its a regression ... flight-6 worked almost beautifully
[08:38] <obscurite> daskreech - as in the chmod "change mode" command which changes permissions among other things
[08:38] <pipitas> obscurite: in 1.1, loopback up is required (as it is required by the older printing systems LPR/LPD or LPRng as well)
[08:38] <obscurite> pipitas - that's good!
[08:39] <DrBair> is it possible to add a hibernate option in the logout screen?
[08:39] <pradeepto> insanekane: it's alright, and I use f5 updating whenever I can.
[08:39] <DaSkreech> mitakka: No I'm waiting till KDE4 :-)
[08:40] <insanekane> pradeepto: yeah ... i installed f5 on this machine, and dist-upgrade
[08:40] <DaSkreech> obscurite: Thats how I figured it out :-)
[08:40] <pradeepto> insanekane: bugs will be there, and it's not that there are 100 people work on it.
[08:40] <insanekane> pradeepto: true
[08:40] <pradeepto> :)
[08:40] <insanekane> pradeepto: there arent ?
[08:41] <obscurite> woooohooo! test page printing
[08:41] <obscurite> (over tcp/ip printer no less)
[08:42] <insanekane> pradeepto: on the other hand, i installed windows 4 times today ... what a breeze :P
[08:42] <obscurite> Let's see, I have dual monitors working with my laptop, printing... almost no linux gotchas left to copmlain about :/
[08:42] <insanekane> even if it comes with nothing
[08:42] <obscurite> And i'm not even on dapper yet
[08:42] <pradeepto> insanekane: do want me to kick you :P
[08:43] <obscurite> the built in kubuntu networking tools require me to activate a wifi profile and dhclient eth1 every time i boot up
[08:43] <pipitas> obscurite: you must be a very unhappy man, with nothing to complain about...
[08:43] <obscurite> that's my last complaint
[08:43] <pipitas> :-P
[08:44] <insanekane> pradeepto: well you know ... sometimes i just hate all this ... windows is just so goddamn appealing :P
[08:44] <pipitas> obscurite: switch to Dapper, and things will change :-)
[08:44] <obscurite> pipitas - and have NOTHING left to complain about???
[08:44] <pradeepto> insanekane: join #windows #vista or better still #vapour :P
[08:45] <pipitas> obscurite: I leave it to you to find out. But chances are,.... oh, well.
[08:45] <pipitas> :-)
[08:45] <slow-motion> re
[08:46] <obscurite> pipitas - an xorg graphical config tool is the last frontier apparently. i think there's one floating around for suse and other rpm based distros now
[08:46] <Hhhhh> sax2 for SUSE
[08:46] <obscurite> yeah, sax2
[08:46] <Hhhhh> that's how it's called, obscurite
[08:46] <noaXess> any idea, where i can enable my headphones?
[08:46] <jpatrick> noaXess: plug them in
[08:47] <noaXess> jpatrick: then won't work..
[08:47] <noaXess> if i plugin in my headphones on my laptop, the sound stops.. sound is only available if no headphones are pluged?.. any idea?
[08:47] <jpatrick> noaXess: correct hole to plug in to?
[08:47] <noaXess> jpatrick: yeah.. hey..
[08:48] <neutrinomass> Anybody with op perms? Some help is needed in #ubuntu ...
[08:48] <iNiku> noaXess: check your mixer, the headphones channel might be muted
[08:49] <noaXess> iNiku: yeah, have checked.. but there is no headphone channel :((
[08:49] <noaXess> thats my problem..
[08:49] <obscurite> neutrinomass - ask nalioth he seems like a nice op
[08:50] <neutrinomass> obscurite: They're currently all away, I did an !ops and no one has responded :(
[08:50] <neutrinomass> obscurite: Somebody else did another one... (ubotu didn't like my second !ops )
[08:50] <_hibbert> hi all
[08:50] <neutrinomass> Ok, Seveas handled it, thanks
[08:51] <_hibbert> anyone got printer knowhow?
[08:51] <obscurite> _hibbert - I just got my printer working finally
[08:51] <iNiku> noaXess: hmm, no idea then...
[08:52] <_hibbert> did it stop working when you upgraded?
[08:52] <obscurite> _hibbert - i had a weird problem with cupsd where my loopback nic was off which broke cupsd. i'm still on breezy
[08:53] <obscurite> _hibbert - what happened? upgraded to dapper and it stopped working?
[08:53] <obscurite> well, my problem wasn't weird as pipitas pointed out. cups 1.1 needs lo to be up.
[08:53] <_hibbert> ah - my printer was (z32 lexmark btw) was working ok on breezy but now I have dapper and its dead
[08:54] <obscurite> _hibbert - see anything in /var/log/cups/error_log?
[08:54] <Sc[_] tt> good afternoon all
[08:55] <_hibbert> CUPS-Set-Default: Unauthorized - that doesnt look too good
[08:55] <_hibbert> could it be permissions?
[08:55] <_hibbert> also - CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
[08:56] <_hibbert> I used to have to type this on breezy to get it to work: sudo chmod 777 /dev/usb/lp0
[08:57] <Sc[_] tt> been trying to install for 3 days, i can't seem to find clear instructions on using the boot options, if i want to use the netcfg/disable_dhcp=true option.. i have the alternate cd... do i have to type the word INSTALL before all the options that are there, then the netcfg/...stuff... or do i put that after the stuff that's there, or do i take the other stuff out.. i can't seem to get it right
[08:57] <_hibbert> now i only have /dev/usblp0
[08:57] <obscurite> _hibbert - yeah could be permissions
[08:57] <obscurite> pipitas - any ideas why _hibbert is getting those errors?
[08:58] <_hibbert> i've tried to add the printer in admin mode too
[08:59] <Sc[_] tt> i liked it better when the live and install cd's were separate... i've never had this much trouble installing
[08:59] <Heston> just curious, is Kubuntu a livecd ?
[09:00] <_hibbert> Yes Kubuntu is a live cd
[09:00] <noaXess> what about S/PDIF devices?... on my headphone whole is this info..
[09:00] <DaSkreech> If you want it to be
[09:00] <obscurite> I wish there was an IRC channel to talk about gadgets you ordered that haven't arrived yet
[09:00] <DaSkreech> Sc[_] tt: Well the alternate CD is an install Cd
[09:00] <Heston> i think ill just use ubuntu directly and install kde seperately in that case
[09:01] <DaSkreech> obscurite: #vapour
[09:01] <_hibbert> you get livecd and theres an icon on the desktop to install if you want to
[09:01] <obscurite> daskreech - is that some kinda inside joke?
[09:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah I guess
[09:02] <Heston> installing livecd's was never a great idea :/
[09:02] <obscurite> kubuntu is meant to be installed!
[09:02] <Sc[_] tt> DaSkreech: i just can't seem to figure out where to put the netcfg/disable_dhcp=true option, no matter how i try it... do i have to type the word 'install' in the boot options space, or just put my options before or after everything that is already there or what...
[09:02] <_hibbert> well - it worked fine for me :-D
[09:03] <DaSkreech> Sc[_] tt: doesn't it ask you to do that in the install. Why d you want to do it at the outset?
[09:03] <obscurite> daskreech - i dont get it, you want your install not to use dhcp?
[09:03] <Sc[_] tt> if i just install with the defaults, it configures dhcp
[09:03] <DaSkreech> obscurite: Me?
[09:03] <Sc[_] tt> it never asks for other options
[09:03] <Sc[_] tt> that's why i'm trying to put it in the boot options
[09:03] <obscurite> daskreech - i thought you were asking for help with an install
[09:03] <DaSkreech> obscurite: No that's Sc[_] tt
[09:04] <obscurite> daskreech - gotcha
[09:04] <DaSkreech> he wants to disable DHCP
[09:04] <obscurite> scott - doesn't the isntaller ask if you want to manually set up your network?
[09:04] <_hibbert> you can edit /etc/network/interfaces later and turn it off
[09:04] <obscurite> or is that only if it fails to dhcp...
[09:05] <_hibbert> you should see a line that says : iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:05] <_hibbert> change dhcp to static
[09:06] <_hibbert> and you can set your own ip and gateway etc
[09:07] <Sc[_] tt> i've never seen it ask for network options... i'm blind... it's very difficult if not impossible for me to go digging through config files, that's why i'm asking about the boot options...i need 'easy' then once i can actually get it installed then i can play and poke around
[09:07] <Sc[_] tt> ok _hibbert i'll try that, thank you
[09:08] <_hibbert> sooo - about my lexmark z32..... anybody know what my permissions problem could be?
[09:09] <lnxKDE> how I install svn in kubuntu
[09:10] <lnxKDE> sudo apt-get install svn does not work
[09:10] <obscurite> lnxKDE - do an apt-cache search subversion
[09:11] <lnxKDE> nice
[09:11] <lnxKDE> btw : am trieng to install KDE 4.0 from svn
[09:11] <lnxKDE> :)
[09:11] <obscurite> ah cool. good luck...
[09:11] <obscurite> does it run?
[09:12] <insanekane> actually, i dont understand ... flight-7 was a beta or alpha release ?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:12] <lnxKDE> well looks like it in KDE-look someone posted a actual screenshoot of his konqueror 4 svn running
[09:12] <insanekane> pradeepto: flight-7 was a beta or alpha release ?
[09:12] <obscurite> insanekane - i think the flights are betas. after the final flight it launched right?
[09:13] <insanekane> wierd
[09:13] <DaSkreech> lnxKDE: Link! :)
[09:13] <insanekane> moving openoffice.org to icu3.4 after flight-7 ... ? isn't that risky ?
[09:13] <lnxKDE> sure give me a sec
[09:13] <obscurite> insanekane - dunno
[09:13] <Bazzi> insanekane: everybody likes adventures
[09:14] <lnxKDE> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40779  <---- actual konqueror 4 svn running
[09:14] <insanekane> Bazzi: :P
[09:15] <DaSkreech> No It says mockup
[09:15] <insanekane> lnxKDE: what are you trying to do ?
[09:16] <DarkAdmiral> any one here, who is using kopete?
[09:16] <lnxKDE> I just want to test it and see what is happening behind the dev process
[09:17] <reon> DarkAdmiral, used it before, why ?
[09:17] <insanekane> lnxKDE: ?
[09:17] <obscurite> darkadmiral - i've tried it out
[09:18] <insanekane> lnxKDE: its a mockup ... means an artists impression of what he would like konqueror 4 to be like
[09:18] <lnxKDE> insanekane : I  want to install KDE 4 svn :)
[09:18] <lnxKDE> insanekane reed brother .... he post the mockup also
[09:18] <DarkAdmiral> is it possible to see buddy icons with icq?
[09:18] <lnxKDE> but there is a difference in both    one is the real svn and the nicer one is the mockup
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Huh?
[09:19] <noaXess> somebody an idea to enable headphones?
[09:19] <noaXess> soudn works ok.. with normal speaker (laptop) but headphones isn't available.. no channel to control.
[09:19] <reon> DarkAdmiral, sorry can't remember
[09:19] <noaXess> !headphones
[09:19] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noaXess
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> noaXess: Make sure its in the right port or use a headphone amp
[09:19] <DarkAdmiral> reon: ok
[09:20] <MyNewbie> is gnome lighter than kde ?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> lnxKDE: #kde is where the KDE4 action will ... kinda be
[09:20] <noaXess> h3sp4wn: it is the right port, trust me... headphone amp?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> We aren't even looking at it for Edgy
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Maybe Fuzzy
[09:20] <noaXess> h3sp4wn: external headphone card?
[09:20] <noaXess> !headphone
[09:20] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noaXess
[09:21] <MyNewbie> i mean i don't know if i choose ubu or kubu
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> noaXess: If its a line level output then you can convert it to a headphone output with a headphone amp
[09:21] <noaXess> MyNewbie: you wnat GNOME or KDE Desktop?
[09:21] <MyNewbie> is kde more heavy than gnome?
[09:21] <DaSkreech> MyNewbie: If you want light try XFCE
[09:21] <MyNewbie> i don't like xubuntu :)
[09:21] <obscurite> XFCE is pretty ugly for a newbie though
[09:21] <Heston> MyNewbie, kde may be heavier but it sure is faster
[09:21] <noaXess> h3sp4wn: there is an info on it S/PDIF..
[09:21] <MyNewbie> yes
[09:21] <MyNewbie> oh
[09:21] <MyNewbie> heavy but faster?
[09:22] <obscurite> KDE and gnome seem about the same to me, but i get more done in kde
[09:22] <MyNewbie> I meant, isn't gnome faster than kde?
[09:22] <lnxKDE> DaSkreech yeah I am in there right now
[09:22] <obscurite> same as in resources
[09:22] <Heston> MyNewbie, gnome execution time is horrible
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> I think kde is faster
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> (think as opposed to having tested it)
[09:22] <MyNewbie> also kde seems to come with a lot of apps... kthis, kthat... does kubuntu come with more apps than ubuntu or not really?
[09:23] <noaXess> !alsa
[09:23] <ubotu> [alsa]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, see also !dmix
[09:23] <Heston> MyNewbie, you wont be sorry you picked kde unless you like extremely light wm's
[09:23] <DaSkreech> MyNewbie: They both come with what is needed
[09:23] <noaXess> !dmix
[09:23] <ubotu> I guess dmix is first try system>prefrences>multimedia system selector change it to alsa. for oss application type aoss <appl name> if still have problems then http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:23] <obscurite> KDE has a suite of amazing apps that work together. kontact for email/calendar/contacts, amarok for mp3/media, konversation and kopete for chat. lots of integration and gadgets :)
[09:24] <obscurite> mynewbie - definitely check out gnome AND kde and give each one at least a week
[09:24] <obscurite> ubuntu makes it so easy to switch between them
[09:24] <MyNewbie> yes, kde seems to have amazing apps bundled :)
[09:24] <MyNewbie> i'll try both live cds
[09:24] <obscurite> mynewbie - in linux everything is bundled ;)
[09:24] <MyNewbie> ahh one more thing
[09:25] <MyNewbie> ubuntu and kubuntu run equally good on powerpc or is one distro more advanced than the other?
[09:25] <obscurite> should be the same
[09:25] <MyNewbie> great :)
[09:25] <georgeblunt> hey there.. i just ran into a little problem.. i wanted to install the flash plugin using adept.. but the installation didn't want to finish.. it was stuck at 90% and just not moving for almost 20mins.. so i killed the adept process.. and now evereytime i want to start adept again, it tells me, that the db is in use by another process and i can't change a thing...
[09:25] <MyNewbie> ah yes, I saw kbluetooth in kubuntu
[09:26] <MyNewbie> is there a list of supported hardware?
[09:26] <georgeblunt> thing is.. i can't find any other adept process besides the adept-notifier
[09:26] <obscurite> mynewbie - everything that linux supports basically
[09:26] <MyNewbie> i have a conceptronic bluetooth adapter
[09:26] <MyNewbie> but I cant find linux drivers for it
[09:26] <DaSkreech> georgeblunt: Check if you have a lock file in /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:27] <georgeblunt> k.. just a sec
[09:27] <MyNewbie> does that mean it wont work or it may work fine without support from conceptronic?
[09:27] <yolanda> h
[09:28] <georgeblunt> jep.. there is a lock file
[09:28] <obscurite> mynewbie - chances are you'll be fine
[09:28] <DaSkreech> georgeblunt: try sudo rm on it
[09:28] <georgeblunt> k
[09:28] <MyNewbie> great :)
[09:29] <MyNewbie> are there any good kde vs. gnome reviews online? i mean quality stuff, not the old flaming
[09:29] <MyNewbie> googled it but only found wars
[09:29] <cypher> i'm having some trouble getting my 3com 3crpag175 working with kubuntu on my hp nc6230
[09:29] <obscurite> mynewbie - how much ram ya got
[09:29] <DaSkreech> MyNewbie: Rally and truly if you are talking about feel then just try them
[09:29] <_hibbert> now i have a different question - I've tried loggin into localhost:631 but it wont accept and username or pwd
[09:29] <cypher> i have the exact same card on my dell d810 and it works great
[09:29] <georgeblunt> DaSkreech: removed it but still the same error
[09:29] <cypher> but can't seem to get it to work on the hp
[09:29] <_hibbert> I even tried root
[09:29] <uniq> mynewbie: moost are wars. But you could try osnews.com they tend to have some good reviews.
[09:29] <DaSkreech> georgeblunt: What's the error say?
[09:30] <MyNewbie> 768
[09:30] <obscurite> _hibbert - you may need some stuff in cupds.conf?
[09:30] <obscurite> mynewbie - more than enough
[09:30] <_hibbert> what like?
[09:30] <obscurite> mynewbie - kde with all the good apps loaded comes under 512mb
[09:30] <MyNewbie> also how many partitions should i create?
[09:30] <MyNewbie> the /, /home and /swap ?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Welcome :)
[09:31] <georgeblunt> "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (....), because another process is using the packaging system database (....)"
[09:31] <EvilIdler> MyNewbie: I recommend a few gigs on / if you make /usr part of it
[09:31] <cypher> i insert the card into the hp and /var/log/messages sees the card inserted, but doesn't load any modules
[09:31] <EvilIdler> Like 6+
[09:31] <nikkiana> Hi DaSkreech :)
[09:31] <obscurite> mynewbie - on desktop installs i just do / and swap. on servers i do /var /home / and swap at least
[09:31] <DaSkreech> ?me hugs nikkiana
[09:31] <cypher> when itry and load the modules manually it still doesn't show ath0 as there
[09:31] <fimblo> where can I report bugs for kubuntu 6?
[09:31] <MyNewbie> what are the benefits of creating /usr and /home in new partitions?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> fimblo: http://launchpad.net
[09:32] <fimblo> thanks daskreech
[09:32] <obscurite> mynewbie - /home and /var are both safeguards against disks filling up or filesystem corruption
[09:32] <obscurite> mynewbie - usr is to segregate installed system sw
[09:32] <EvilIdler> MyNewbie: I recommend / as the /usr partition, and at least 6 gigs (16GB here)
[09:32] <MyNewbie> oh sorry, my english is bad
[09:32] <MyNewbie> the /usr is for what ?
[09:32] <MyNewbie> :)
[09:33] <nico8481> still nobody has the "shift+delete not working" issue ?
[09:33] <_hibbert> what kind of things in cupsd.conf
[09:33] <EvilIdler> You install all packaged programs into /usr mostly
[09:33] <_hibbert> ?
[09:33] <obscurite> usr is to separate installed system software from the rest of the system
[09:33] <MyNewbie> so / is the system, /swap is swap and /home is where i can store my openoffice docs, movies, etc ?
[09:33] <obscurite> I've always found /var is the most useful partition aside from / and /home is only useful in true multiuser systems
[09:34] <MyNewbie> it makes it easier to reinstall ubuntu without loosing my stuff right ?
[09:34] <DrBair> when acpid is put into debug mode, it should show events on the screen correct?
[09:34] <EvilIdler> yeah, /home is where most crap gathers :)
[09:35] <bjoern_kah> hi. does anyone got a dell truemobile 1400 wireless card working in dapper? it worked great with ndiswrapper in breezy.
[09:35] <georgeblunt> DaSkreech: can you think of any process that might be blocking adept?.. something not-so-apperent? ^^
[09:35] <DaSkreech> georgeblunt: Oh btw
[09:35] <DaSkreech> run sudp dpkg --configure -a
[09:35] <drept> hi all, how do I unmount bluetooth dongle?
[09:36] <tlouden> so, I just re-installed [k] ubuntu and would like to restore my kde settings from the old harddrive.  can anybody help me with this?
[09:36] <DrBair> drept: I wouldn't think you'd have to
[09:36] <bjoern_kah> sudo umount /mnt/sda1 ?
[09:36] <obscurite> drept - unmounting is only for drives as far as i know. other devices can be plugged in and removed at will.
[09:36] <DrBair> tlouden: copy the /home/$USER from the old drive to the new one
[09:36] <georgeblunt> DaSkreech: that worked! thanks alot, mate! :D
[09:36] <drept> sda1 not found
[09:37] <DaSkreech> georgeblunt: Sorry should have told you that a long time ago
[09:37] <DrBair> tlouden: or just the /home/$USER/.kde if you only want the kde stuff
[09:37] <tlouden> DrBair: if that doesn't do it (ie. it hasn't)?
[09:37] <georgeblunt> DaSkreech; hehe,.. np ^^
[09:37] <DrBair> tlouden: did you restart kde?
[09:37] <tlouden> DrBair: yes
[09:38] <tlouden> DrBair: I'm most concerned about window settings and panels, neither of which change when I copy the old files
[09:38] <DrBair> tlouden: that should do it, all the kde stuff is in .kde
[09:38] <cypher> anyone want to help figure out why my 3com pcmcia card works on one laptop beautifully but not another?
[09:39] <DrBair> tlouden: unless of course they moved the file locations or formats in which case you are SOL
[09:39] <cypher> both running kubuntu 6.06
[09:39] <_hibbert> does CUPS have a default user and passowrd ?
[09:39] <tlouden> DrBair: good thought, I'll research those possibilities.  thanks
[09:44] <stamen> hi
[09:44] <jpatrick> icheyne: please remove your away message
[09:44] <stamen> who can tell me which multimedia codecs to install for dapper
[09:44] <icheyne> jpatrick: ok
[09:44] <stamen> which are working
[09:44] <icheyne> jpatrick: why do you care?
[09:44] <drept> okay, tnx
[09:45] <icheyne> !away
[09:45] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages.
[09:45] <icheyne> got it
[09:46] <jpatrick> icheyne: and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuidelines
[09:46] <icheyne> jpatrick: fine
[09:54] <Dani_Filth> Bonjour
[09:55] <Dani_Filth> j'ai dsactiv, "Afficher l'cran d'accueil" dans amarok il le met quand mme ...
[09:55] <DaSkreech> tell Dani_Filth about fr
[09:55] <DaSkreech> !tell Dani_Filth about fr
[09:55] <Dani_Filth> how
[09:55] <Dani_Filth> sorry
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Sorry :)
[09:56] <Dani_Filth> i forgot than i am on a english server :p
[09:56] <Dani_Filth> i said, I deactived the splash of amarok but it appears everthless
[09:56] <uniq> dani_filth: it's a known bug.
[09:57] <cypher> does anyone have any idea why my 3com 3CRPAG175 works great out of the box on my dell d810 with kubuntu 6.06, but not on my hp nc6230 no matter what I try?
[10:02] <stamen> pleaase tell me which codecs to install to play MP3's and movies
[10:03] <mandrake_> gstreamer-plugins-ugly
[10:03] <BlankB> !restricted formats
[10:03] <ubotu> I heard restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or '!codecs'
[10:04] <DaSkreech> !tell stamen about restricted formats
[10:05] <haider_> !xgl
[10:05] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:06] <cypher> ok, i've got a more interesting question
[10:06] <fimblo> hi, my /home is nfs mounted from my file server, and it complains that it wants to create a local folder in my homedir... which it can't, since its a remote share. can anyone help out?
[10:06] <cypher> while i do an lspci on the same card, the working laptop reports a727:0013 for the numeric id
[10:06] <cypher> whereas the laptop that doesn't work reports b727:0013
[10:06] <cypher> why would it report the numeric id wrong?
[10:07] <fimblo> error message at http://blahonga.yanson.org/stuff/sudoadept.txt
[10:07] <cypher> i'm guessing that might be the problem as to why it's not working
[10:07] <BlankB> fimblo: is the remote share writeable?
[10:07] <fimblo> yes it is.
[10:07] <fimblo> I set chmod 777 on it just now, same error
[10:07] <BlankB> fimblo: that error message says that it is not.
[10:07] <fimblo> nod, and therefore the confusion :)
[10:08] <BlankB> can _you_ write to it as the same user?
[10:08] <fimblo> yes, I can.
[10:08] <fimblo> perhaps I can symlink it to a location on the local machine
[10:08] <fimblo> testing
[10:08] <stamen> DaSkreech: 10x
[10:09] <ninHer> hi all
[10:09] <BlankB> fimblo: why dont you just create the folder called ~/.kde/ then?
[10:09] <DaSkreech>  /j #konversation
[10:10] <DaSkreech> /me coughs. Of course I did that for demonstration purposes
[10:10] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:11] <nico8481> someone knows which package contains svn?
[10:11] <fimblo> blankb: um, Im guessing its an NFS problem, not a regular filesystem problem
[10:11] <nico8481> i mean the "client"
[10:11] <fimblo> nico8481: subversion contains client
[10:11] <nico8481> thx
[10:11] <fimblo> np
[10:11] <BlankB> fimblo: probably. But there should be no reason that you can't do it.
[10:12] <fimblo> blankb: nod.
[10:12] <fimblo> I agree. thing is, I've removed it and recreated it from scratch and it complains....
[10:12] <fimblo> blankb: and other kde apps run ok- I've only got problems with adept...
[10:13] <fimblo> wait a minute. I sudo, perhaps root cant write to it since... hmm
[10:13] <BlankB> fimblo: I don't have any nfs shares running or I would give it a try.
[10:13] <fimblo> blankb: its prolly since the user with id 0 can't write on my bnfs server
[10:13] <fimblo> got it :) got to set squashroot :)
[10:13] <BlankB> see...sometimes just talking about it fixes it. 8)
[10:13] <fimblo> nod blankb, thanks for your time :)
[10:15] <fimblo> another question: I've got a few other machines running gentoo, and I dont have unicode support on them. when I ssh in and start up mutt all my special characters (I
[10:15] <fimblo> whoops
[10:15] <fimblo> all my special lcharacters (I'm swedish) look all mucked up. Anyone got a fix for that?
[10:15] <fimblo> (except for reinstalling my other machines into kubuntu, of course :)
[10:16] <termleech> why would one laptop report my id from lspci for my 3com pcmcia wireless card as a727:0013, and another one report it as b727:0013?
[10:18] <fimblo> blankb: I realized that I could run adept under kde- so I tried kdesu... success! *roar of applause*
[10:18] <BlankB> fimblo: 8-)
[10:19] <nico8481> raah
[10:19] <fimblo> moo
[10:19] <fimblo> :)
[10:20] <fimblo> er.. did I just kill the entire conversation?
[10:20] <georgeblunt> anyone else had a problem with his/her mouse in quake3? it just flies out fo the screen when i start moving it.. to never see the daylight again.. quite strange.. in kde everything works fine...
[10:25] <iNiku> termleech: any differences in lspci -v?
[10:27] <termleech> just the a and b
[10:27] <icheyne> I installed Wine under Automatix, but Wine is broken - even though I tried winecfg. Any ideas how I can fix it?
[10:27] <termleech> and the one that doesn't work tells me that there is memory at <ignored>
[10:28] <termleech> 5 of those
[10:29] <termleech> IRQ's are different
[10:29] <wolfgyone> hi there
[10:29] <wolfgyone> from luxembourg
[10:29] <rob> icheyne, don't use Automatix for a start :)
[10:29] <rob> !automatix
[10:29] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. It may break your system, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #automatix.
[10:30] <termleech> that's all i see
[10:30] <rob> hmm thats nicer
[10:30] <icheyne> rob thanks , but I tried at #automatix
[10:30] <rob> yeah, automatix is horrible
[10:30] <wolfgyone> hi there
[10:30] <rob> don't use it
[10:30] <wolfgyone> from luxembourg
[10:30] <icheyne> I've had mixed results
[10:30] <wolfgyone> what s up
[10:30] <icheyne> easyubuntu is worse
[10:30] <wolfgyone> I have a question about vsftp
[10:30] <icheyne> wtf isn't Firefox in Kubuntu?
[10:31] <rob> check out http://help.ubuntu.com instead
[10:31] <icheyne> ok
[10:31] <wolfgyone> yeah but it does not work
[10:31] <kkathman> icheyne:  uhmm  it is
[10:31] <DaSkreech> icheyne: It's installable
[10:31] <kkathman> and it works fine
[10:31] <kkathman> tho I prefer Opera, but thats just personal preference :)
[10:31] <icheyne> it works fine and it's installable, but why isn't it in by default?
[10:32] <wolfgyone> I want to configure my vsftp to allow a user to get full right on a directory... But vsftp allows the user to put and get files, but these files .ph are not executed because nbot enough rights :( who can help me ?
[10:32] <icheyne> Surely 90% will install it
[10:32] <icheyne> ?
[10:32] <iNiku> Terminus: hmm, strange
[10:32] <DaSkreech> icheyne: Apparently it was misspelt
[10:32] <kkathman> I dunno, but it was on my install :)
[10:32] <kkathman> hehe
[10:32] <Terminus> eh?
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Firefocks!
[10:32] <iNiku> Terminus: sorry, not you :)
[10:32] <icheyne> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[10:32] <Terminus> iNiku: oh. =D
[10:32] <leafw> I need some advice on how to inspect what kubuntu is doing when I close the lid, or I switch to a tty with control+alt+F[1-6] , or in any case where I switch away from the X server
[10:32] <leafw> because it takes forever (12-16 seconds)
[10:33] <leafw> there must be a timer waiting incorrectly
[10:33] <wolfgyone> nobody has an ID ?
[10:33] <[miles] > hello again!
[10:34] <DaSkreech> icheyne: If it was firefocks it would have gotten in! :)
[10:34] <[miles] > wonderered if someone could tell me how this line should read to be added as a repo?
[10:34] <[miles] > http://aircrack-ng.le-vert.net/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/
[10:34] <[miles] > cant seem to get it working :-|
[10:34] <wolfgyone> hello please can some one help me ?
[10:35] <wolfgyone> about vsftp configuration
[10:35] <ninHer> wolfgyone: what about ?
[10:35] <[miles] > I tried     deb http://aircrack-ng.le-vert.net/ubuntu/ dapper main
[10:35] <wolfgyone> ninHer : I want to configure my vsftp to allow a user to get full right on a directory...
[10:35] <[miles] > but the package does not show in adept
[10:36] <leafw> [miles] : run an update
[10:36] <CaBlGuY> anyone help me install my printer?
[10:36] <ninHer> or have a look to sources.list
[10:36] <leafw> [miles]  : such as sudo apt-get update
[10:36] <CaBlGuY> driver is not in the list...
[10:36] <ninHer> universe/multiverse
[10:36] <wolfgyone> ninHer : in fact the user has full rights on it I think : he can put and get files, delete directory... But whgen I put .php files they wants not to work because not enough rights... :(
[10:36] <[miles] > erm
[10:36] <[miles] > but from
[10:37] <[miles] > http://aircrack-ng.le-vert.net/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/
[10:37] <[miles] > deb http://aircrack-ng.le-vert.net/ubuntu/ dapper main
[10:37] <ninHer> have you tried to sudoer this user ?
[10:37] <[miles] > would be correct or not?
[10:37] <CaBlGuY> !lexmark
[10:37] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CaBlGuY
[10:37] <CaBlGuY> !printer
[10:37] <ubotu> hmm... printer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[10:37] <wolfgyone> ninHer ???  huh but this user is a newbie
[10:37] <wolfgyone> ninHer : is it not too dangerous to give him too much rights ?
[10:38] <ninHer> uhm, bad conbination
[10:38] <wolfgyone> ninHer : how can I to protect ...
[10:38] <wolfgyone> ninHer yeah I know
[10:39] <[miles] > ah got it
[10:39] <[miles] > thanks...
[10:39] <ninHer> ;-)
[10:39] <[miles] > I dunno if anyone knows if or where there are any madwifi drivers patched for injection..?
[10:40] <[miles] > ok np
[10:40] <[miles] > bbiab, thanks once again
[10:40] <[miles] > wifi hacking to do
[10:40] <[miles] > hehe
[10:41] <leafw> can one use "open" from the console? I keep getting: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[10:42] <nico8481> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! --> any idea which package i need exactly? apt-cache finds so many qt stuff !
[10:42] <leafw> nico8481 : yo uneed the -dev package, perhaps qt4-dev
[10:42] <nico8481> thx
[10:43] <icheyne> ok I agree
[10:43] <icheyne> automatix is awful
[10:43] <defrysk> nico8481, sudo apt-get build-dep <packageyouwishtocompile>
[10:43] <icheyne> :(
[10:43] <porro22> hi
[10:44] <nico8481> defrysk: what do you mean? i'm not compiling a package i'm compiling source files...
[10:44] <leafw> defrysk : now that is one fine trick I didn't know about! Thanks
[10:44] <defrysk> nico8481, you need the deps , that command gives you them
[10:45] <nico8481> defrysk: yeah but what should you use instead of <packageyouwishtocompile> ? the ./configure script ?
[10:45] <leafw> defrysk : he may be compiling a program that is not in the repositories as a package.
[10:45] <defrysk> no the program you are compileing
[10:45] <wolfgyone> ninHer thanks anyway
[10:45] <nico8481> just the name?
[10:45] <defrysk> leafw, possibly
[10:45] <defrysk> nico8481, what program are you compiling ?
[10:46] <nico8481> konversation (the svn version since dapper's one got a bug that annoys me)
[10:46] <wolfgyone> ok
[10:46] <defrysk> sudo apt-get build dep konversation
[10:46] <nico8481> defrysk: it's not going to actually build anything is it?
[10:46] <defrysk> cant make it any easyer
[10:46] <wolfgyone> is someone knows how to install xboard ?
[10:46] <defrysk> no it installs the packages you need to compile it
[10:46] <leafw> nico8481 : then it's easy, just use the command defrysk told you
[10:46] <wolfgyone> I try to find a package for ubuntu
[10:46] <nico8481> k thx
[10:47] <wolfgyone> but synaptic does not suggest an xboard
[10:47] <wolfgyone> just a gnuchess ... :(
[10:47] <leafw> I need some advice on how to inspect what kubuntu is doing when I close the lid, or I switch to a tty with control+alt+F[1-6] , or in any case where I switch away from the X server
[10:47] <nico8481> argh! 52 packages!
[10:47] <leafw> because it takes forever (12-16 seconds)
[10:47] <lunitik> leafw: that sure is forever
[10:48] <defrysk> nico8481, compile or not to compile ;)
[10:48] <leafw> lunitik : use to take 1 second in breezy only.
[10:48] <lunitik> leafw: same resolution on the console and gui?
[10:48] <leafw> nico8481 : you can deinstall the packages after you are done, they are not needed anymore.
[10:48] <wolfgyone> please answer to me about xboard or another board to play chess online
[10:48] <nico8481> k thx
[10:48] <leafw> lunitik : how does one measure the resolution in the tty?
[10:49] <leafw> lunitik : and also, same effect is at play when switching to macosx (mol), or when closing the lid to put the computer to sleep.
[10:49] <leafw> feels like X sticks in control of the screen way to much.
[10:50] <lunitik> wolfgyone: knights I think can be played online.... not sure though
[10:50] <lunitik> leafw: if you don't know, its probably set to 640x480... what resolution is your GUI set to?
[10:51] <wolfgyone> lunitik ok I will try, T Y
[10:51] <lunitik> leafw: I'm not sure wrt going to sleep...
[10:51] <leafw> lunitik : GUI is 1280x768 (standard for Ti powerbooks)
[10:51] <lunitik> leafw: append 'vga=792' to your grub menu.lst and see if that makes any difference
[10:51] <leafw> lunitik : can't do that, yaboot here (Apple Powerbook Ti)
[10:51] <lunitik> (actually, I think thats 1024x768  :o )
[10:52] <lunitik> leafw: ahhh... well, yaboot ought to have a simular thing... its a kernel argument, so it should work irrelivant of boot manager
[10:52] <leafw> lunitik : actually, when going to sleep the computer goes to the tty, so it may be the same problem
[10:53] <leafw> let's see the yaboot.conf
[10:53] <lunitik> leafw: thats just strange really... but yeah... there should be a line telling yaboot where the kernel is... should also say something about the splash etc... thats where you throw it
[10:54] <leafw> lunitik : is the effect dinamic? After setting vga=792 and ybin, the effect should be immediate?
[10:54] <lunitik> leafw: nope... you have to reboot afaik...
[10:55] <leafw> lunitik : argh xD then I'll have to wait (long processes running)
[10:55] <lunitik> leafw: thats fine... that should make switching faster though... current situation will have it changing resolution etc when you switch...
[10:56] <leafw> lunitik : I wonder though why breezy didn't have that problem?
[10:56] <lunitik> leafw: it more than halfs the speed here... although from what you describe, that will still leave it taking WAY too long
[10:56] <leafw> so vga=792 accomplishes what? How is the resolution specified in only one number?
[10:56] <lunitik> leafw: search google for how... I just know thats how the kernel defines it  ;)
[10:57] <lunitik> leafw: I think its actually 1024x768 with 24bit color... (792)
[10:58] <lunitik> leafw: if you set X to use the same resolution... see if you notice any difference... then see about what 1280x1024 would be if its noticeable
[10:58] <leafw> lunitik : but desktop is 1280x768
[10:58] <lunitik> leafw: I don't have them all memorized... hold on
[11:02] <lunitik> leafw: it appears you'd want 'vga=789'
[11:02] <leafw> lunitik : which hastable are you reading?
[11:02] <leafw> can't find anything on target on google.
[11:03] <DaSkreech> !away
[11:03] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages.
[11:03] <nico8481> where should i modify the KDEDIRS and PATH variables?
[11:03] <leafw> nico8481 : in the terminal, or in your ~/.bashrc
[11:03] <nico8481> ok
[11:04] <nico8481> thought they were defined "globally" somewhere in /etc
[11:04] <leafw> nico8481 : such as export PATH=$PATH:/something/else
[11:04] <leafw> nico8481 : they are, in a general .bashrc so to speak (bash_profile or whatever)
[11:05] <nico8481> ok so i'm gonna modify it there, i'd like it to be effective for all users
[11:05] <nico8481> (although i'm the only user but, well :) )
[11:06] <nico8481> alghough i did a "grep KDEDIRS *" in /etc and got no result
[11:06] <uniq> nico8481: /etc/environment
[11:06] <uniq> if they are not listed just add them to the file.
[11:07] <nico8481> looks like KDEDIRS is blank by default...
[11:08] <kuba> anyone using vim + python ? I search for plugin/.vimrc to ease development..
[11:09] <nico8481> ok brb, starting the new version of konversation...
[11:10] <georgeblunt> xchat for president ;)
[11:11] <hybrid> irssi for head of the new world order
[11:11] <georgeblunt> lol
[11:12] <mads> hi
[11:13] <mads> is it obly me or does Firefox and thunderbird look a bit weird in Kubuntu
[11:13] <mads> weird = some gfx errors in the widgets
[11:17] <nico8481> re
[11:18] <mads> ahh solved
[11:19] <mads> its when QT tries to aply its theme to a gtk application
[11:19] <mads> bahhh
[11:19] <Lunar_Raven> what was the problem?
[11:20] <mads> serois gfx errors
[11:20] <mads> serious
[11:20] <Lunar_Raven> just for reference, if you compile the cvs version of gtk-qt , it seems to work very better
[11:20] <Lunar_Raven> It solved all my problems
[11:20] <mads> too lazy to compile
[11:20] <mads> ;-)
[11:20] <Lunar_Raven> lol
[11:20] <Lunar_Raven> fair enough :P
[11:21] <mads> well thx for the hint anyway
[11:21] <mads> :-)
[11:21] <mads> i can live with the Win95 look
[11:22] <DaSkreech> Anyone works on KDE?
[11:25] <McScruff> is there a flash player 8 for linux?
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[11:25] <McScruff> i cant look at a fookin webpage!!
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> fookin ms sponsored fookin adobe
[11:25] <MetaMorfoziS> fook up all about flash
[11:26] <McScruff> im gonna have to load windows.... :(
[11:26] <TheHighChild> Anyone using Gaim 2 Beta?
[11:26] <MetaMorfoziS> you may press alt+f4
[11:26] <McScruff> i'll get it 2moro
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> flash isn't improtant, it's a cup of crap, from the matter's angle it isn't important
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> some fookin lamer webmaster use it
[11:27] <MetaMorfoziS> fook...
[11:29] <mads> fookin'??
[11:30] <McScruff> fook = nicer then fuck
[11:30] <mads> eh no ;-)
[11:30] <MetaMorfoziS> fookin, yes. fookin ms, adobe, macromedia...
[11:30] <mads> it reminds of a Eddie murphy sketch actually  :-D
[11:30] <MetaMorfoziS> and webmasters thath uses flash in any form
[11:32] <mads> sorry i'm not a GPL purist
[11:32] <nixternal> !language
[11:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[11:32] <MetaMorfoziS> !language kurva anyd
[11:32] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MetaMorfoziS
[11:35] <unix_infidel> hey guys i've been having this problem with my mouse drivers. I physically have to unplug and replug the mouse in in order for ohci to wake up and recognize it.
[11:36] <unix_infidel> i'm assuming its a kernel issue?
[11:36] <nixternal> unix_infidel: laptop or desktop?
[11:37] <unix_infidel> desktop
[11:37] <nixternal> that is odd. so it happens coming back from hibernation?
[11:37] <unix_infidel> nixternal: nope.  i dont hiberate on this comp.
[11:38] <unix_infidel> it happens whenever i boot.
[11:38] <nixternal> ahhhh...ok...still odd
[11:38] <nixternal> what kind of mouse is it?
[11:38] <unix_infidel> yea...
[11:38] <unix_infidel> kensington scroll mouse, xorg.conf is fine....i know that much.
[11:38] <Lunar_Raven> is it a usb mouse?
[11:39] <unix_infidel> all my modules are properly loaded...but for some reason it takes something like a physical action for ohci to akw up.
[11:39] <unix_infidel> Lunar_Raven: yes.
[11:39] <unix_infidel> hence ohci_hcd
[11:39] <nixternal> OHCI=firewire and usb open host standard..which i believe compaq created
[11:39] <Lunar_Raven> maybe a bios issue?  Is it set to load usb emulation?  I believe I had that issue awhile back
[11:39] <Lunar_Raven> ah yes
[11:39] <Lunar_Raven> o.O
[11:39] <unix_infidel> nope...no usb emulation
[11:39] <nixternal> it is older...usb 1 i believe....because usb2 uses UHCI i think
[11:40] <unix_infidel> worked perfectly fine in breezy.
[11:40] <nixternal> actually...my other system here would utilize OHCI since it is older...and the mouse on that is USB but i don't have any issues like that whatsoever
[11:40] <Lunar_Raven> hmm
[11:41] <nixternal> unix_infidel: type>  dmesg | grep ohci
[11:41] <nixternal> any errors or anthing there?
[11:41] <unix_infidel> no errors.
[11:41] <nixternal> whoa..actually that other system of mine has uhci...what kind of system do you have unix_infidel?
[11:42] <unix_infidel> i think it might be a kernel issue.
[11:42] <unix_infidel> nixternal: sempron
[11:42] <unix_infidel> like i said, it worked fine with a previous kernel in breezy and the exact same section for xorg.conf.
[11:42] <unix_infidel> maybe a kernel-686 upgrade will do the job.
[11:43] <nixternal> ehci=usb2...uhci & ohci = usb1 or 1.1...i see now..
[11:44] <nixternal> maybe unix_infidel..because i don't think that the usb should be using ohci..but should be either using uhci or ehci
[11:44] <unix_infidel> anyone else with any ideas?
[11:45] <nixternal> what motherboard you have in that system? or is it proprietary?
[11:45] <ubuntu> i got a problem
[11:45] <unix_infidel> no...its ohci.
[11:45] <unix_infidel> ECS
[11:46] <DarkRavenMixage> i got a problem
[11:46] <DarkRavenMixage> i got ubuntu installed before
[11:46] <DarkRavenMixage> i did a sudo apt/get install kubuntudesktop
[11:46] <nixternal> unix_infidel: if a kernel upgrade fixes it, let me know..i was going to purchase a low end sempron..this way here if i come across the issue i will know what to do
[11:47] <DarkRavenMixage> but when i try to start kde interface with a normal user, i can-t log in it returns me with the error @could not start kstartconfig please check you installation, so i can login only as the root.. someone knows how to fix that???
[11:48] <ChefWill> copy your roots config to the user
[11:48] <ctford0> hello
[11:48] <nixternal> ctford0: hello
[11:49] <ctford0> looking for some grub help
[11:49] <nixternal> maybe i can help you out..what seems to be the problem?
[11:49] <ctford0> been using linux for a long while but the installer would not install on the mbr
[11:49] <DarkRavenMixage> chefwill.... it-s not a good solution...
[11:49] <ctford0> and i've tried by hand as well without any luck
[11:50] <georgeblunt> quick question: how can i change the icons of programs (those which are being displayed in the taskbar).. this blue ball of firefox gets on my nerves.. i want the fox ;)
[11:51] <imbrandon> right click, click configure button , click the icon in the top left and choose a new one
[11:51] <DarkRavenMixage> please help me with KDE  i can only log in as the root if i log with the normal user it says could not start kstartconfig please check your installation
[11:51] <imbrandon> brb
[11:52] <nixternal> georgeblunt: you can try imbrandon's way and if that don't work read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t-30133
[11:52] <nixternal> ctford0: is this occuring during an install?  and what happens if you boot your machine, do you get anything after bios initializes?
[11:54] <ctford0> it just tells me that it isnt a valid boot device and i have to boot from the cd
[11:54] <DarkRavenMixage> please help me with KDE  i can only log in as the root if i log with the normal user it says could not start kstartconfig please check your installation
[11:54] <ctford0> this is a new install
[11:54] <nixternal> DarkRavenMixage: ls -l ~/
[11:54] <nixternal> tell me what that says when you do that ^^
[11:55] <nixternal> is everything say your username:username
[11:55] <georgeblunt> nixternal: there is no thread
[11:55] <Dasnipa`> chrisd writes "We're very happy to announce that the a new version of Google Earth has been released. It features 3D textured buildings, some neat UI updates, better internationalization and, with this release, a native Linux version is available for download as well. The Google Earth team (with the help of Ryan Gordon) worked very hard to make this possible. Please see the Earth support site and check out the BBS for more informat
[11:55] <Dasnipa`> ion." !!
[11:56] <nixternal> ok ctford0...copy the bottom portion of your /boot/grub/menu.lst file and paste it at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com    and then give me url after you pasted it
[11:56] <georgeblunt> imbrandon: this would only change the button, wouldn't it?.. besides, i need root access to change the icon..
[11:56] <RogueJediX> A Linux version of Google Earth? Kickass!
[11:57] <nixternal> georgeblunt: sorry... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30133
[11:57] <nixternal> there you go
[11:57] <nixternal> !language
[11:57] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[11:57] <georgeblunt> nixternal: thanks :)
[11:58] <ctford0> nixternal, i currently dont have network access configured on the machine
[11:58] <nixternal> np georgeblunt
[11:58] <nixternal> ok ctford0..are you installing on regular ide drives?
[11:58] <nixternal>  /dev/hda
[11:58] <ctford0> nixternal, that's another one of my issues :) wpa-psk with a prism2 card
[11:58] <DarkRavenMixage> no one can help me????
[11:58] <nixternal> don't get me started with wpa-psk and prism2 or orinoco
[11:58] <ctford0> yea, its a laptop with the interal drive being hda
[11:59] <ctford0> grub see's the drive as hd0
[11:59] <nixternal> DarkRavenMixage:  i posted a question and you ddin't reply
[11:59] <tozei> BRASIL
[11:59] <tozei> BRASIL AJUDA
[11:59] <nixternal> DarkRavenMixage: type>  ls -l ~/
[11:59] <DarkRavenMixage> nixternal how to did the simbol before the &
[11:59] <nixternal> does it say         username:username
[11:59] <DarkRavenMixage> before the /
[11:59] <tozei> BRASIL AJUDA
[11:59] <ctford0> and when i run grub; root (hd0,0); setup (hd0) everything seems to work ok
[11:59] <DarkRavenMixage> in windows i managed to use alt 0126
[11:59] <ctford0> it just won't boot
[11:59] <nixternal> look next to your #1 key..to the left
[12:00] <nixternal> ctford0: is it pointing tot he correct drive in the menu.lst...does grub come up at boot in the first place?
[12:00] <ctford0> no no grub at all
[12:00] <nixternal> arg..ok
[12:01] <mrfishhat> install grub?
[12:01] <visik7> google earth for linux!!!!!
[12:01] <DarkRavenMixage> nixternal i got italian keyboard
[12:01] <mrfishhat> grub-install hd0
[12:01] <DarkRavenMixage> lol
[12:01] <nixternal> i got ya DarkRavenMixage my apologies
[12:01] <DarkRavenMixage> wait ill search
[12:01] <LiteHedded> can I upgrate with apt?
[12:02] <nixternal> DarkRavenMixage: let me point you to a forum that might help you>>     http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions//showthread.php?=328302
[12:02] <nixternal> DarkRavenMixage: ^^
[12:02] <nixternal> LiteHedded: yes
[12:02] <mrfishhat> how do i enable messages
[12:02] <mrfishhat> L
[12:02] <mrfishhat> ??
[12:02] <nixternal> LiteHedded: #   sudo apt-get update
[12:02] <nixternal> LiteHedded: #   sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:02] <DarkRavenMixage> i managed to write the ~
[12:03] <mrfishhat> like with write
[12:03] <LiteHedded> so update first then upgrade?
[12:03] <clintc_laptop> I've turned off my application menus in konqueror and would enjoy having them back - please help
[12:03] <sokuban> I need something called X (or X-dev) for compiling a source code. I can't seem to find out how to get it
[12:03] <DarkRavenMixage> nixternal it-s all username username
[12:03] <nixternal> yes LiteHedded that way there the cache gets the latest information