[00:00] <slickymaster> ok, knome
[00:00] <knome> yeppers.
[00:00] <slickymaster> I think we have the community stuff almost ready
[00:00] <knome> hey bluesabre
[00:01] <bluesabre> hey knome
[00:01] <knome> yep, only some text tweaks, but the content is there
[00:01] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre
[00:01] <bluesabre> anything I need to do?
[00:01] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster
[00:01] <knome> let's add some photo from the community wallpaper contest + some nice text
[00:01]  * bluesabre is upgrading his desktop to trusty
[00:01] <knome> bluesabre, i filed yet another menulibre bug
[00:01] <bluesabre> I saw that
[00:01] <bluesabre> or... "oh you!"
[00:02] <knome> haha
[00:02] <knome> that was really random.
[00:02] <knome> it just flipped over on me.
[00:02] <bluesabre> anyway you could attach your .menu file?
[00:02] <bluesabre> *any way
[00:02] <knome> i'll do that when i'm on wife's laptop next time
[00:02] <bluesabre> thanks
[00:02] <knome> how do i make sure which menu file menulibre uses?
[00:03] <bluesabre> if you use xfce
[00:03] <knome> that would be useful information somewhere
[00:03] <bluesabre> its xfce4-applications.menu
[00:03] <slickymaster> knome, some nice text? about the artwork?
[00:03] <bluesabre> yeah, I need to add a bug reporting guide to my docs
[00:03] <bluesabre> I would you could add bug reporting guidelines to launchpad
[00:03] <bluesabre> *wish
[00:03] <bluesabre> I suck at typing today
[00:03] <knome> bluesabre, well since menulibre knows the exact file path, you could print that somewhere
[00:03] <knome> (on request)
[00:04] <bluesabre> ah
[00:04] <bluesabre> I think it might
[00:04] <bluesabre> with -vv
[00:04] <knome> aha
[00:04] <bluesabre> but maybe not
[00:04] <knome> you could also make it a command line parameter to edit any file
[00:04] <bluesabre> yeah, but that would probably cause me more grief
[00:05] <knome> i know it's a border case, but sounds trivial to do
[00:05] <knome> really?
[00:05] <bluesabre> though its on my todo list
[00:05] <knome> heh, okay
[00:05] <bluesabre> my blog is getting too popular it seems
[00:05] <bluesabre> every time I post something its like a DOS attack
[00:05] <knome> "too popular" :P
[00:05] <bluesabre> have to restart the server
[00:06] <knome> hahah
[00:06] <bluesabre> its not even a blog
[00:06] <bluesabre> its release notes
[00:06] <bluesabre> :(
[00:06] <knome> have you got a cache plugin in place?
[00:06] <lderan> :(
[00:06] <bluesabre> I've tried
[00:06] <bluesabre> but those don't help
[00:06] <knome> aha...
[00:06] <bluesabre> and created some interesting issues today
[00:06] <bluesabre> it cached the dead page
[00:06] <bluesabre> that was fun
[00:06] <knome> hah
[00:08] <bluesabre> going to push my server to 14.04 when it becomes available to digital ocean
[00:08] <bluesabre> hopefully that will help
[00:08] <knome> you know what'll help? use debian
[00:08]  * knome hides
[00:08] <bluesabre> I've considered it
[00:08] <bluesabre> :]
[00:08] <bluesabre> or centos
[00:08] <bluesabre> but rpm is just evil
[00:09]  * bluesabre also hides
[00:09] <bluesabre> I'm actually upgrading my server over vnc, so this will be more fun potentially
[00:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can't just update it?
[00:09] <bluesabre> s/server/desktop
[00:09] <Unit193> VNC?! :P
[00:10] <Unit193> Use ssh?
[00:10] <bluesabre> too lazy
[00:10] <bluesabre> and can't count that as a test
[00:11] <Unit193> Why not?
[00:11] <knome> bluesabre, haven't heard too good things about centos, but no firsthand experience
[00:11] <lderan> have had to use it in the past
[00:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: not listed on the tracker
[00:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Upgrade tests.
[00:12] <bluesabre> no terminal upgrade test
[00:12] <knome> bluesabre, don't tell anyone, but i reported one CLI upgrade test as well
[00:12] <bluesabre> :O
[00:12] <bluesabre> cheater!
[00:12] <knome> yep
[00:12] <Unit193> Or, err, if you need to use upgrade-manager, then you'll have to remove all of mine...
[00:13] <slickymaster> -qa lead will poke for that knome
[00:13] <slickymaster> +you
[00:13] <Unit193> slickymaster: So I'll get multipoked. :P
[00:13] <knome> Unit193, in both eyeeees!
[00:13] <lderan> huzzah :P
[00:13] <knome>  *prod!*
[00:13] <slickymaster> yeah Unit193, that will come your way, too
[00:14] <Unit193> slickymaster: Only worse, I reported 4. :P
[00:14] <knome> so will have to poke you in both eyes, twice
[00:14]  * slickymaster laughs really loud
[00:14] <knome> or only once for the other if you count the lower... nevermind.
[00:15] <guest2152352> If something goes wrong in this upgrade, it will stop or something, won't it?  That is, I don't have to physically sit here and watch the progress bar slowly increment / stuff zip past in terminal, right?
[00:15] <knome> guest2152352, doesn't the testcase tell you to sit still with one finger in your nose? that's another testcase bug...
[00:15] <guest2152352> Bah
[00:16] <knome> yeah, feel free to wander around
[00:16] <knome> if that was a requirement, i would get more poking in the eyes
[00:16] <guest2152352> It's 6:15 and my stomach is rumbling.  Just want to make sure it's not going to do any 'click here to not light your computer on fire in 5...4....3...' type shenanigans. :P
[00:16] <slickymaster> ah ah ah
[00:16] <lderan> knome, and no one would like that
[00:17] <knome> guest2152352, hmm, it might... ;)
[00:17] <Unit193> guest2152352: No, it'd just sit tight and wait for you to respond, or does with do-release-upgrade.
[00:17] <slickymaster> well it will ask something about libd6 IIRC guest2152352
[00:17] <Unit193> libc, genious.
[00:17] <lderan> guest2152352, i didn't get a countdown :P
[00:17] <knome> Unit193, same with GUI
[00:17] <knome> slickymaster, libc6 :P
[00:17] <knome> slickymaster, and most probably xscreensaver/xlockmore
[00:18] <slickymaster> yes
[00:18] <knome> and possibly at least one other configuration file
[00:18] <guest2152352> It had me stop the screensaver when it first started, but hasn't done anything since.  But okeydoke, and thanks for the help so far, by the way.
[00:18] <Unit193> Oh come on?  No one bit the misspelling? :'(
[00:18] <knome> Unit193, lol
[00:18] <slickymaster> yes for libc6 knome, not for the xscreensaver
[00:19] <slickymaster> it doesn't does nothing with it during the upgrade
[00:19] <knome> you mean "doesn't do anything" :P
[00:20] <slickymaster> Unit193, let's poke XPL while he's still XPL
[00:20] <slickymaster> :P
[00:20] <knome> hah
[00:21] <lderan> slickymaster, sounds good to me :P
[00:21] <bluesabre> I'm in
[00:21] <bluesabre> knome
[00:21] <bluesabre> poke
[00:21]  * knome considers writing a script that hides the quit+next join message if the quit message is "Changing host"
[00:21] <bluesabre> Changing host
[00:22] <knome> bluesabre, quit message!
[00:22] <bluesabre> close enough
[00:22] <knome> hah
[00:22] <knome> /kick bluesabre Quit message
[00:22]  * bluesabre [~sean@is_awesome] has quit [Changing host]
[00:23] <knome> lol
[00:23] <knome> invalid host
[00:23] <bluesabre> bah
[00:23] <lderan> :P
[00:23] <Unit193> slickymaster: Good plan.
[00:24] <bluesabre> wrong one starrats
[00:24] <knome> haha
[00:30] <knome> slickymaster, which one is better?
[00:31] <knome> the former one is a bit verbose
[00:31] <knome> somehow...
[00:31] <knome> and kind of feels like it's circling around the issue
[00:31] <knome> and repeating a bit
[00:32] <slickymaster> yes, I see that way too
[00:32] <knome> default artwork, desktop looks, themes
[00:32] <slickymaster> you're right
[00:33] <knome> i'd love if we could squeeze in a section or two
[00:33] <knome> and more artwork
[00:33] <knome> obviously...
[00:34] <slickymaster> well, there's the wallpaper to be added
[00:34] <knome> mhm
[00:34] <knome> thinking we could use just the mouse as well
[00:35] <slickymaster> without a question
[00:35] <slickymaster> thing is what about the other one?
[00:35] <knome> i'm bored with desktop screenshots
[00:35] <knome> other one what? :)
[00:36] <knome> you lost me in a second.
[00:36] <slickymaster> the community wallpaper. which one where you thinking of using?
[00:36] <knome> oh, no idea
[00:36] <knome> throw a die?
[00:36] <knome> :)
[00:37] <slickymaster> you'll end up with a voting within the -website team
[00:37] <slickymaster> as for make the desktop your own, I would only stick to your wallpaper
[00:38] <knome> or the mouse?
[00:38] <slickymaster> that's the one I'm talking about
[00:38] <slickymaster> aren't they the same?!
[00:38] <knome> i mean, just the mouse part
[00:38] <knome> not the whole wallpaper
[00:38] <slickymaster> oh
[00:39] <slickymaster> yes, just the mouse part
[00:39] <knome> yep
[00:39] <slickymaster> BTW, let me say it again
[00:39] <slickymaster> god damn fabulous wallpaper
[00:39] <knome> hehe
[00:39] <guest2152352> ?
[00:39] <knome> thanks thanks
[00:41] <slickymaster> butt, all and all I think we have the tour page more than stitched up
[00:43] <knome> well, probably
[00:44] <knome> let's leave it simmering for a bit
[00:44] <slickymaster> hmmm, that means that hyou're not happy with it
[00:45] <knome> well as i said, maybe one or two sections more
[00:45] <knome> and with those, some artwork or something
[00:46] <knome> i think we could go with "balance" for the community wallpaper choice
[00:46] <knome> that's colorful and works in a smaller size as well
[00:46] <slickymaster> what sections were you thinking of'
[00:47] <knome> that's the problem... i don't know ;)
[00:47] <knome> hardware support?
[00:47] <knome> (with ubuntu core stuff maybe)
[00:47] <slickymaster> what is the balance one? I just remember ochosi's (the one with the rocks/pebbles) and one with a mountain
[00:47] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/
[00:48] <slickymaster> good catch knome, the hardware support is something to be addressed
[00:49] <slickymaster> that's the winner, right?
[00:50] <knome> no, just alphabetically first :P
[00:50] <knome> they are all winners
[00:50] <knome> we didn't pick one "best"
[00:56] <knome> hmm...
[00:56] <slickymaster> oh, don't know where I got that idea from
[00:57] <knome> i'm thikning you're not thinking what i am thinking
[00:57] <slickymaster> apparently, most definitely not
[00:58] <slickymaster> what are you thinking?
[00:59] <knome> see the pad :)
[00:59] <slickymaster> you wanted to be inclusive and not the other way around
[01:00] <knome> well, we speak about "older machines" already
[01:00] <knome> and lightweightness
[01:00] <knome> now we want to expand to "plugin your device, it'll probably work"
[01:00] <slickymaster> not in the tour page
[01:00] <knome> hmm?
[01:00] <knome> Xubuntu is built around lightweight software with a lot of consideration on usability. Whether you have a high-end computer or even a moderately older machine, Xubuntu is able to provide you with a smooth and usable desktop experience.
[01:01] <slickymaster> well, that's a bit broader
[01:03] <slickymaster> but you were right I wasn't thinking what you were thinking :P
[01:03] <knome> hehe
[01:03] <knome> i think it's fair to give some credit to ubuntu as well
[01:03] <knome> though i *am* thinking it would fit well in the existing section
[01:05] <slickymaster> okay, and TBH I think that having "A good balance" as first topic/section is quite a good choice
[01:05] <knome> yes, seems to flow better now
[01:05] <slickymaster> it lands perfectly, because it manages to have a dual meaning, both as a begining and an end
[01:06] <knome> yeah, i really like this flow now
[01:06] <knome> i actually think we should land this now
[01:06] <knome> and keep on improving if we find things to fix
[01:06] <slickymaster> I'm happy with it
[01:06] <slickymaster> of course
[01:06] <knome> lderan, want to do a grammar check?
[01:07] <lderan> yup
[01:07] <knome> bbiab
[01:11] <knome> lderan, ping me when you are done and i'll get that up
[01:12] <lderan> i don't see anything else
[01:12] <knome> oki
[01:13] <bluesabre> sheesh
[01:13] <knome> bluesabre, wah?
[01:13] <bluesabre> I'm not sure what any of you are thinking most of the time
[01:13] <knome> ? :D
[01:13] <bluesabre> :D
[01:13] <slickymaster> one more item to hold a check status in
[01:13] <slickymaster> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs
[01:13] <lderan> cheese at the moment
[01:13] <knome> lderan, lol!
[01:14] <bluesabre> :)
[01:14] <slickymaster> lol
[01:14] <knome> i litearlly laughed out loud
[01:14] <slickymaster> so did I
[01:14]  * knome laughs more imagining lderan thinking about cheese
[01:14] <knome> reminds me of wallace and gromit
[01:14] <knome> which i'm sure is on pleia2's highlight
[01:15] <slickymaster> that reminds that's it's 2:15 AM overe here
[01:15] <knome> hah
[01:15] <slickymaster> time for a late snack
[01:15] <knome> put +2 to that
[01:15] <lderan> :P
[01:15] <slickymaster> yeah, your timezone is a b%&$%
[01:16]  * slickymaster goes to the freezer to get himself some icecream
[01:16] <knome> lol
[01:23] <lderan> yeah i get the same thing knome on the upgrade
[01:24] <knome> lderan, mhm...
[01:24] <lderan> now i must sleep, thankfully working from home...today :P
[01:24] <lderan> good night all :)
[01:24] <knome> good night, and good luck :)
[01:27] <knome> slickymaster, some progress at http://xubuntu.org/tour/
[01:28] <slickymaster> checking it now
[01:29] <slickymaster> I almost forgot the new layout
[01:29] <knome> hehe
[01:29] <slickymaster> knome, you forgot your wallpaper in the make the desktop your own item
[01:30] <knome> i didn't
[01:30] <knome> i said "some progress"
[01:30] <knome> ;)
[01:30] <slickymaster> another thing, is it the wordpress forcing the size of the font in the banner with the images
[01:31] <slickymaster> it's smaller
[01:31] <knome> no
[01:31] <knome> well, it's the "regular" font size
[01:31] <knome> i think it's okay
[01:31] <knome> try to make the browser narrower
[01:31] <slickymaster> just curious
[01:31] <slickymaster> will do
[01:31] <knome> it works pretty well in the smallest size as well
[01:31] <slickymaster> hm hm
[01:31] <knome> a bit of a breath at that point is good as well
[01:31] <knome> imo
[01:31] <slickymaster> seeing it now
[01:32] <knome> but we can improve that to the end of the world ;)
[01:32] <slickymaster> yeah agree
[01:32] <slickymaster> it's pretty good
[01:32] <slickymaster> it just lacks your 'mouse'
[01:33] <knome> yep
[01:33] <knome> working on it
[01:34] <knome> hmmm....
[01:34] <knome> :P
[01:36] <knome> need to work on the color
[01:37]  * slickymaster has to poke pleia2 about the fact that the portuguese link isn't listed in the http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/ section
[01:39] <knome> slickymaster, paste me the links and i'll add it in a sec
[01:41] <slickymaster> good point knome
[01:42] <slickymaster> let me see if I can find them
[01:42] <knome> http://spreadubuntu.org/pt-br/material/poster/portuguese-br-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4
[01:42] <knome> that's the pt-br
[01:43] <knome> http://spreadubuntu.org/pt/material/poster/portuguese-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4
[01:43] <knome> there we go
[01:44] <knome> doh
[01:44] <knome> that's the blog article
[01:44] <knome> slickymaster, http://xubuntu.org/products/
[01:44] <slickymaster> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.png
[01:44] <slickymaster> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/huge/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.pdf
[01:44] <slickymaster> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/source/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4_PT.svg
[01:45] <slickymaster> so it's in another page
[01:47] <slickymaster> great
[01:47] <slickymaster> much better now knome
[01:47] <knome> i updated the article
[01:48] <knome> now it points equally to the products page
[01:48] <knome> i'm not completely satisfied with the mouse color, but i'll look at it later
[01:48] <knome> it's good enough for now
[01:49] <slickymaster> i like the work with the grades of pink
[01:49] <knome> i'm also thinking one more thing
[01:49] <slickymaster> what?
[01:49] <knome> rip off the mouse from the blue background
[01:50] <knome> and put it in between the green/blue boxes a similar fashion as the wallpapers
[01:50] <knome> and say something about xfce and the xubuntu logo
[01:51] <slickymaster> theoretically it has everything to work
[01:51] <slickymaster> visually I mean
[01:51] <knome> it would give again more space to breath
[01:51] <knome> we'll do that!
[01:57] <knome> slickymaster, refresh
[01:59] <slickymaster> I like it
[01:59] <slickymaster> and it does opens the page
[01:59] <knome> lol
[01:59] <knome> the one on the top was not on purpose :D
[01:59] <knome> (the mouse jumped at the page title!)
[02:00] <slickymaster> don't remove it though
[02:00] <knome> i did
[02:00] <knome> it was meh
[02:00] <slickymaster> didn't thought that
[02:01] <slickymaster> any way, really like the page
[02:02]  * knome pokes the mouse a bit more
[02:02] <slickymaster> its color?
[02:02] <knome> hmm, trying to add a white "glow" under it
[02:02] <knome> but don't seem to work very well :P
[02:03] <slickymaster> the background color isn't much of a help
[02:03] <knome> getting a nice glow would involve manually adjusting the padding and stuff
[02:04] <knome> won't go that route
[02:04] <slickymaster> lol
[02:04] <slickymaster> at least at this hour
[02:04] <knome> mm
[02:04] <knome> yeah, but i really like this too
[02:04] <slickymaster> I'm happy with it
[02:04] <slickymaster> it was a productive session
[02:05] <knome> yep, and it concludes the -docs blueprint!
[02:05] <slickymaster> yes, that was the last item
[02:05] <slickymaster> last man standing
[02:05] <knome> next is marketing
[02:05] <knome> let's try to squeeze in a session with the flyer content some day
[02:05] <knome> it's almost ready
[02:05] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers
[02:05] <knome> design-wise as well...
[02:06] <slickymaster> okay, I'll try to help
[02:06] <slickymaster> never had done much marketing stuff
[02:06] <knome> well you did today ;)
[02:06] <knome> but really, look at the wikipage
[02:07] <knome> we pretty much only need to fill in that one gap on the middle of the page
[02:07] <knome> the rest will autofill with copyright notices et al
[02:07] <knome> and then rethink the frontpage
[02:07] <knome> and that's it really
[02:07] <slickymaster> are you refrrinf to the Formats?
[02:07] <knome> no, scroll down
[02:07] <slickymaster> *referring
[02:08] <knome> there's an image
[02:08] <knome> which is an export from a working copy
[02:08] <slickymaster> I see
[02:08] <knome> and once we get the content ready.. i can pretty much directly export the PDF's
[02:09] <slickymaster> desing wise it's not pretty
[02:09] <knome> really?
[02:09] <knome> thanks! :P
[02:09] <knome> you got to remember we are limiting ourself to home printers
[02:09] <slickymaster> don't take it like that
[02:09] <knome> so can't make anything overlap or go too close to page border
[02:09] <knome> and it will need to work in b&w
[02:10] <slickymaster> it's too conservative, that's what I meant
[02:10] <knome> those two things limit what we can do, a lot
[02:10] <knome> huh, you should have seen the working copy without the images :P
[02:10] <slickymaster> you see, I wasn't taking in considerations those factors
[02:10] <knome> it used to be utter poop ;)
[02:11] <slickymaster> i believe you
[02:11] <knome> now it's at least informative, and doesn't make you puke (at least immediately)
[02:11] <slickymaster> we can work on it tomorrow
[02:11] <slickymaster> if you're free
[02:11] <knome> dunno, wife has a day off ;>
[02:12] <slickymaster> I was referring at night
[02:12] <knome> yes... i said wife has a day off ;P
[02:13] <slickymaster> wednesday or thursday
[02:13] <knome> heh, well
[02:13] <knome> i'll be around for the meeting
[02:13] <slickymaster> i'll be home until next Monday
[02:13] <knome> you remember we have a meeting, right?
[02:13] <slickymaster> yes
[02:13] <knome> good
[02:13] <slickymaster> and I'll be able to make it
[02:13] <knome> i'll be around at some time tomorrow
[02:14] <knome> let's see how schedules work
[02:14] <knome> and let's try to get pleia2 give us an opinion or two
[02:14] <slickymaster> ok, I'll be moderating the forums
[02:14] <knome> who's clearly hiding!
[02:15] <slickymaster> she's under the same symptoms that Unit193's alter ego is showing
[02:16] <knome> nah
[02:16] <knome> this is her awake-time :P
[02:16] <slickymaster> :)
[02:17] <slickymaster> if I caught her off guard, I'll poke her
[02:17] <knome> heh
[02:18] <knome> hmm.
[02:18] <knome> i still have something WIP
[02:18] <knome> :D
[02:18] <knome> !12.10
[02:18] <knome> pfft
[02:19] <knome> !eol
[02:19] <knome> pfft
[02:19] <slickymaster> what are you chasing knome
[02:19] <slickymaster> ?
[02:19] <knome> if 12.10 is already eol or not
[02:20] <knome> it must be one of these days
[02:20] <Unit193> No, 3 days.
[02:20] <slickymaster> yeaps
[02:20] <knome> Unit193, before or after release day?
[02:20] <knome> or on?
[02:20] <Unit193> Supposed to be after.
[02:20] <knome> aha
[02:20] <slickymaster> I think is to be after trusty release
[02:20] <Unit193> Upgrade path and all...
[02:20] <knome> can we dismiss that and take the docs for 12.10 down that day?
[02:21] <Unit193> I'd say so. :P
[02:21]  * slickymaster is no longer here
[02:21] <slickymaster> cy
[02:25] <bluesabre> ok, this should work more efficiently now
[02:25] <bluesabre> :)
[02:25] <knome> pleia2, i've prepared https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/docs-startpage for you <3
[02:25] <knome> bluesabre, did you take a look at http://xubuntu.org/tour/ ?
[02:26] <bluesabre> why is the font with the mouse and with the screenshots smaller?
[02:26] <knome> oh come on! :D
[02:26] <knome> it's the regular size
[02:26] <bluesabre> its inconsistent
[02:26] <knome> everything else is just bigger
[02:26] <knome> no.. it's lesser importance
[02:27] <bluesabre> eh, I think it would be better if it were the same
[02:27] <knome> eh, the time came and went ;)
[02:27] <bluesabre> but thats just me
[02:27] <knome> i've been thinkin abou that as well...
[02:27] <knome> and i keep coming back to the conclusion it's okay this way
[02:27] <knome> maybe the smaller text parts should be longer
[02:34] <bluesabre> >.>
[02:34] <Unit193> Yeah, I did that one.
[04:05] <pleia2> knome: cool
[07:11] <elfy> if anyone comes here wanting to know what we need testing - push them at upgrades if possible
[07:11] <elfy> I've got through a basic set of vbox tests this morning - will do some hardware ones later
[07:12] <elfy> not had time to do live session checks - so that's something people can do as well
[07:12] <elfy> tracker is down atm though ...
[07:41] <jhenke> goood morning guys
[07:54] <jhenke> great work everybody the iso from yesterday seems clean!
[08:15] <knome> elfy, will do
[08:19] <jhenke> found a minor bug, mostly just annoying, bug 1307897
[08:19] <knome> heh
[08:19] <knome> weird one
[08:20] <knome> hummm
[08:20] <jhenke> yes it is, but as I said just annoying as the LED is not corresponding to the state of the num pad anymore
[08:20] <knome> i locked, then unlocked, and now it says light-locker isn't running
[08:22] <jhenke> I guess light-locker still needs some polichment :)
[08:22] <knome> actually, i can't reproduce your bug
[08:22] <knome> for me, numlock+ĺed is turned off, and when i unlock, it's off
[08:22] <knome> no, wait
[08:22] <jhenke> knome: I was expecting it, but it is reproducebale on this PC
[08:22] <knome> when i unlock, the led is off but numlock is on
[08:22] <jhenke> ahh, yes that is what I mean
[08:22] <knome> but in light-locker, it works as expected
[08:23] <knome> hmph, now it worked again
[08:24] <knome> and now light-locker is not running again
[08:25] <brainwash> light-locker is causing some trouble due to the vt switch
[08:25] <knome> brainwash, is it normal that after you unlock, light-locker-command -l just says "** Message: light-locker is not running" :|
[08:26] <brainwash> did it crash? you can start it with "light-locker --debug" and watch what exactly happens
[08:26] <knome> yep
[08:28] <knome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254054/
[08:28] <brainwash> oh :/
[08:30] <brainwash> so it crashes every time you start light-locker and lock the screen?
[08:30] <knome> yep...
[08:30] <brainwash> this is rather bad
[08:30] <jhenke> bbl
[08:30] <brainwash> not running in the background -> no locking anymore
[08:30] <knome> yep.
[08:32] <knome> can you follow me through how i'll get the backtrace for you or should i just file the bug without it?
[08:35] <brainwash> you could run it with gdb
[08:35] <brainwash> and file a bug report on https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/issues
[08:35] <knome> just 'gdb light-locker' ?
[08:36] <brainwash> yes
[08:36] <knome> what about the GDK_SYNCHRONIZE env var?
[08:36] <brainwash> do two runs
[08:36] <knome> hmm, running under gdb means no light-locker running
[08:36] <knome> will i have to run light-locker-command -l in a special way?
[08:37] <brainwash> did you actually start light-locker in gdb?
[08:37] <brainwash> with "run"
[08:37] <knome> no
[08:37] <knome> :P
[08:37] <knome> i told you you need to follow me through
[08:37] <brainwash> maybe you should read a tutorial about gdb first :D
[08:37] <knome> NAWWH!
[08:38] <brainwash> after it crashes you type "bt full"
[08:39] <brainwash> but I'm thinking, maybe it's related to the compositor, can you disable it and test again?
[08:39] <knome> can do that
[08:39] <knome> terminal went unresponsive
[08:40] <brainwash> mmh
[08:40] <knome> no, same without compositor
[08:40] <brainwash> maybe you really need to run GDK_SYNCHRONIZE=1 gdb light-locker
[08:40] <knome> guess it's ok to run from a TTY1?
[08:41] <brainwash> uhm no
[08:41] <knome> okay
[08:41] <brainwash> try with env var first
[08:42] <knome> still makes terminal unresponsive
[08:43] <knome> i can't type anything, i can close the windows though
[08:45] <brainwash> mmh
[08:45] <brainwash> is apport already deactivated?
[08:45] <knome> no
[08:45] <knome> or, i don't think it is
[08:46] <brainwash> maybe the crash does not trigger it
[08:46] <knome> mhm
[08:47] <brainwash> perhaps someone in #ubuntu-devel has an idea
[08:47] <knome> bah, i don't have *too* much time for this now :/
[08:48] <brainwash> and I don't have a clue how to handle this crash :/
[08:48] <brainwash> hopefully it won't affect many people
[08:48] <knome> yep
[08:48] <knome> i don't really *need* locking here
[08:48] <knome> i just wanted to reproduce jhenke's bug
[08:49] <knome> it might have something to do with the nvidia proprietary drivers and dual monitor setup...
[08:49] <brainwash> ah, but you should still file a bug report and mention which hardware and graphics driver you use
[08:49] <knome> i'll file that later
[08:49] <brainwash> ok :)
[08:50] <knome> actually, could do it now
[08:50] <knome> quickly...
[08:58] <knome> bug 1307929
[09:06] <amigamagic> I tried to do light-locker in a terminal and it doesn't happens nothing
[09:06] <amigamagic> I should do it with sudo ?
[09:08] <brainwash> no
[09:08] <brainwash> what do you expect to happen?
[09:08] <amigamagic> I should give some paramters to it?
[09:08] <brainwash> does it return to the prompt?
[09:09] <amigamagic> no
[09:09] <brainwash> so it's running
[09:09] <amigamagic> I have to press CTRL-C to return to the prompt
[09:09] <brainwash> so what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[09:10] <brainwash> you want some debug output?
[09:11] <amigamagic> I was trying to reproduce the reported bug
[09:11] <brainwash> add --debug to the command
[09:11] <brainwash> light-locker --debug
[09:12] <amigamagic> ok... Exactly what should do this command?
[09:12] <brainwash> it starts light-locker in debug mode
[09:13] <brainwash> then you lock the session with "light-locker-command -l"
[09:13] <amigamagic> ah ok
[09:14] <amigamagic> it works
[09:14] <amigamagic> it goes to the lock screen
[09:15] <amigamagic> is it a problem that concerns only nvidia card users?
[09:16] <brainwash> maybe
[09:18] <amigamagic> btw, I have a very very slow thunar when it tries to resolve names of a windows share. I think the problem is related with my current ethernet drivers, because on a virtual machine it's not so slow. I mean: 4-5 minutes to browse a windows share I think is a little too much...
[09:18] <brainwash> only with thunar?
[09:19] <amigamagic> with nautilus is a little faster, but is always slow
[09:21] <amigamagic> natulus at least gives feedback to the user when it's trying to resolve host names (like a spinning icon, a info window, etc.). Thunar doesn't tell you nothing... It just leaves you with an unresponsive window until it has resolved the host names.
[09:21] <knome> amigamagic, this isn't the right channel to ask about that.
[09:22] <amigamagic> knome, being that I think it's more an ethernet driver problem, there is a channel where I could report this?
[09:23] <knome> to be honest, there probably is, but i really don't know
[09:23] <knome> it might be good to ask just #ubuntu first
[09:24] <amigamagic> ok, thanks
[09:29] <olbi> guys, we need two clocs in top right corner? :)
[09:30] <amigamagic> olbi, this will be solved in the final release
[09:30] <olbi> ok :-)
[09:30] <knome> olbi, did you install the latest daily?
[09:30] <olbi> yesterday or today?
[09:30] <knome> well either
[09:31] <olbi> I have from 14 april for now
[09:35] <brainwash> 14-Apr-2014 21:54
[09:36] <brainwash> only the 4 indicators which we want to ship are present on the iso
[09:50] <knome> bluesabre, humph, bug 1213837 in *live* session, really?
[09:50] <knome> i mean... who logs out of the live session?
[09:53] <zequence> I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of the extra indicator things, which I only now realized may have been to do with ubuntu-control-center
[09:53] <zequence> (in Ubuntu Studio)
[09:54] <zequence> I have gnome power applet as well. Do you have that?
[09:54] <knome> yes, they were related to unity-*
[09:55] <knome> zequence, can't see the gnome power applet here
[09:55] <zequence> knome: So, making that depend into a recommend solved it for you guys?
[09:55] <zequence> knome: Did you have it before?
[09:55] <knome> i don't have the definite answer to that, probably not
[09:55] <knome> did you look at your germinate output?
[09:56] <zequence> No. Just trying to get a quick answer. I'll figure it out
[09:56] <slickymaster> morning guys
[09:56] <knome> hey slickymaster
[09:56] <knome> zequence, sorry for not having one :)
[10:29] <amigamagic> hey guys, in trusty there is no more a notifier icon for update notifications?
[10:31] <amigamagic> I noticed that there is this bug still open and maybe it affects the 14.04 release too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1246364
[10:35] <starrats> I swear the other day I got a software updater popped up on the upper left hand corner for me to do an update on Truty Tahr 14.04
[10:38] <knome> amigamagic, "maybe"? please try to confirm it, don't expect others to
[10:40] <bluesabre> wow guys
[10:40] <bluesabre> yes, there is no update indicator
[10:40] <bluesabre> it went away in 13.10
[10:40] <amigamagic> knome, how can I check if I have update notifications?
[10:40] <amigamagic> until now I have not seen them
[10:40] <bluesabre> instead, the update window pops up when there are updates
[10:41] <amigamagic> bluesabre, so there should be only a popup window? Can I check if it works?
[10:41] <amigamagic> there is something like a simulated update so I could check if the windows pop-ups?
[10:42] <bluesabre> sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <bluesabre> from the terminal
[10:42] <bluesabre> after a while, if there are updates available, the window will pop up
[10:43] <amigamagic> ok thanks bluesabre, I will try it now
[10:43] <bluesabre> you can also manually check for updates from Settings -> Software Updater
[10:47] <starrats> if you do daily updates, like I do, then you wouldn't have to worry about the softweare updater, IMO
[10:48] <amigamagic> bluesabre, until now I have no updates windows
[10:48] <amigamagic> I've done a sudo apt-get update from some minutes
[10:48] <bluesabre> ok, when did you last update your system?
[10:49] <amigamagic> maybe 12 hours ago
[10:49] <amigamagic> about 12 hours ago
[10:49] <bluesabre> if you do sudo apt-get upgrade, are any updates listed?
[10:49] <amigamagic> yes there are
[10:50] <bluesabre> ok, there may be a minimum time.  It's worked consistently all throughout the development cycle
[10:50] <amigamagic> maybe I should try to create a new account and check if they shows up there?
[10:50] <amigamagic> I moved some things in the xfce panel
[10:51] <amigamagic> like the panel was up, and I moved it down
[10:51] <amigamagic> and I disabled the duplicated clock
[10:51] <bluesabre> you might want to check on #ubuntu -- the software-updater is one of their applications
[10:51] <bluesabre> I don't know the full details of it myself
[10:52] <bluesabre> or on #xubuntu, where there are more support people
[10:52] <amigamagic> ok, last thing: is the window a pop-up or is it a normal window?
[10:53] <amigamagic> because I have one monitor with two pc attached, so I cannot always see that screen... If the window is displayed and then it disappear after 10 seconds, probabily I will not see this notification...
[10:54] <amigamagic> is for this that it was useful the little notification in the xfce panel
[10:54] <brainwash> please ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <brainwash> we did not change the behavior
[10:55] <amigamagic> ok, I will do that, thanks!
[11:09] <zequence> How big of a deal is light-locker-settings?
[11:10] <brainwash> it's the graphical settings dialog for light-locker
[11:11] <brainwash> so it makes configuring light-locker user friendly
[11:14] <knome> zequence, very recommendable.
[11:52] <zequence> Ah, we don't even have light-locker, which I originally though
[11:52] <zequence> At this point, I'm happy if I can keep my hands off any changes
[11:53] <knome> yeah, i think l-l-s is dependency for l-l
[11:56] <zequence> anyone here done a lot of testing on EFI?
[11:57] <zequence> Got my hands on a machine not long ago. Installation of Ubuntu Studio worked fine, but today, i tried reinstalling on a virtual machine with an existing EFI install, and the installer froze when trying to load partitioning
[11:58] <zequence> I need to do more testing, and try other flavors to make sure, but at least one other person is having trouble installing Ubuntu Studio on a EFI machine (a real one - macbook)
[11:59] <knome> zequence, you could ask #ubuntu-quality
[12:38] <jhenke> zequence: I am using xubuntu in uefi based VMs without problems
[12:39] <jhenke> but yes uefi can be "special" in some ways, especially boot loader and partion handling
[12:39] <jhenke> do you have an EFI partion on the VMs hard drive?
[14:01] <jhenke> bbl
[15:05] <elfy> knome: when you did upgrade tests did you see ibus in the upgraded install?
[15:06] <elfy> I've failed the 2 upgrade tests I've done
[15:33] <mzr> so elfy, are you trying to kill the zombie, or cure him?
[15:33] <elfy> mzr: other than pointing that the issue is there nothing else has been discussed yet - timezones and work ...
[15:33] <zequence> jhenke: The specific problem that arises is when trying to install onto an existing 14.04 installation
[15:33] <zequence> jhenke: Have you tried that?
[15:48] <jhenke> zequence yes, I removed the boot entry in uefi and ran the installer normally
[15:48] <jhenke> here it worked
[16:13] <jhenke> folks: the partion editor in the installer, does it mean real MB as in 10^6 or does it mean MiB as in 2^20?
[16:54] <zequence> jhenke: Ok. Could be related to our kernel (linux-lowlatency)
[17:14] <elfy> evening brainwash xnox
[17:47] <brainwash> hey elfy
[17:57] <elfy> brainwash: I'm failing all the image upgrades - they still have ibus on them
[18:09] <elfy> on the bright side - I've had usb's of all sorts in and out here without any issue
[18:18] <brainwash> elfy: oh, ibus is really pesky
[18:19] <elfy> yep
[18:19] <brainwash> the (auto)mount improvement is great, now we can hope for less complains about it not working properly :)
[18:20] <elfy> I'm guessing that the 2 who did cli upgrades didn't miss ibus - but as it was knome and texadactyl I doubt it
[18:20] <elfy> so it is ONLY image upgrades for some reason
[18:20] <brainwash> ibus is not present on the iso
[18:20] <brainwash> ah, ofc
[18:21] <brainwash> it that a problem?
[18:22] <brainwash> I assume it did or did not work for people using 13.10
[18:22] <brainwash> so they've already removed or configured it
[18:23] <elfy> and 12.04 ...
[18:23] <brainwash> same with xscreensaver
[18:24] <brainwash> it just stays
[18:24] <elfy> yea - thanks - I was so head into these tests I wasn't thinking that way
[18:24] <elfy> however
[18:25] <elfy> anyone who's not configured ibus and left it there because it was doing nothing - will find it now does and will need to be dealt with
[18:25] <elfy> so - release notes - prior to upgrading remove ibus or deal with it afterwards would be my take on that
[18:26] <brainwash> yes, we need a note
[18:27] <jhenke> congratulations again to everybody involved for the 14.04 release, I just installed it on an old netbook, which had WinXP before, really nice and it runs much smoother than ever before :)
[18:29] <brainwash> elfy: we should redirect the potential uproar to the ibus dev :)
[18:30] <brainwash> jhenke: great to hear
[18:31] <brainwash> now we only need to get fix all the light-locker related issues
[18:34] <jhenke> brainwash yes, but the subjective impact from my point of view is lower than the ibus and idicator problems we had earlier :)
[18:36] <knome> elfy, hmph, at least not in an obtrusive way...
[18:38] <elfy> just checking an image upgrade with it purged
[18:38] <elfy> going to be missing from meeting tonight
[18:38] <knome> bleh
[18:38] <elfy> info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 32bit - 10 tests
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Image testing 64bit - 9 test
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 32bit - 1 test
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] LTS Upgrade testing 32bit - 2 tests
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Upgrade testing 64bit - 3 tests
[18:38] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] LTS Upgrade testing 64bit - 2 tests
[18:39] <elfy> #info [xubuntu-qa] Ibus is still installing with image upgrades
[18:39] <elfy> is what we have as of 30 minutes ago
[18:39] <pleia2> thanks elfy
[18:39] <knome> "installing with image upgrades" ?
[18:41] <elfy> there are 3 upgrades WITHOUT image as of when I checked
[18:41] <slickymaster> hey guys
[18:41] <elfy> back in about 60 minutes
[18:41] <slickymaster> knome, did you get to poke pleia2 about the makerting stuff that needs to be finished?
[18:42] <slickymaster> *marketing
[18:44] <pleia2> I'm working on the flyer today
[18:45] <pleia2> wikipedia thing will be postponed, updated blueprint for new g+ admin (ochosi was added)
[18:45]  * pleia2 updates blueprint so only flyer things remain
[18:45] <Unit193> Yey for G+.
[18:46] <knome> pleia2, meh for wikipedia
[18:49] <pleia2> knome: well, over time it naturally evolved to be less bad :)
[18:50] <slickymaster> besides bluesabre and his font size issue, did you have any other feedback on the tour page?
[18:50] <knome> yeah, the history is still not at all complete
[18:54] <pleia2> slickymaster: I was at a conference all last week so I've had to declare backlog bankruptcy, what about the tour page? :)
[18:54] <knome> pleia2, load it.
[18:55] <pleia2> pretty
[18:58] <slickymaster> what about the content pleia2?
[19:03] <knome> oi, meeting
[19:03] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[19:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 15 19:03:30 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:03] <knome> #topic Team updates
[19:03] <knome> (running freeform)
[19:07] <knome> #done knome, slickymaster and lderan updated the tour page
[19:07] <slickymaster> \o/ docs blueprint is officially closed
[19:08] <lderan> until alan can put my recent fix live for meetingology, don't use % in votes ;_;
[19:09] <knome> %? :D
[19:10] <lderan> it replaces some text with the link to the meeting output for the vote headings
[19:11] <knome> aha...
[19:13] <knome> anything else?
[19:14] <knome> elfy posted some QA info just a while ago, pick numbers from there
[19:15] <slickymaster> unfortunately, and because I'm on vacation, I wasn't able to make any tests
[19:15] <slickymaster> sorry elfy
[19:15]  * slickymaster hides quickly fearing elfy and his poking stick
[19:18] <knome> heh
[19:18] <knome> #topic Other issues
[19:18] <knome> anything else?
[19:19] <slickymaster> volunteers call to help pleia2 with the flyer?
[19:19] <knome> well i'll be here
[19:20] <elfy> back
[19:20] <knome> elfy, that's cheating, that was not 60 mins :P
[19:20] <elfy> :)
[19:22] <elfy> not failing this latest upgrade - just noting that I had to remove ibus before upgrading or I would have :)
[19:25] <pleia2> slickymaster: I think we're actually ok flyer-wise, I just need to comment on knome's latest comments
[19:25] <knome> yep, and put in some new test
[19:25] <knome> *text
[19:29] <slickymaster> I'll be arounf after 23:00 and ready to try to help
[19:29] <slickymaster> that's UTC
[19:31] <knome> right, maybe we should close this meeting
[19:31] <knome> when do we want the next one?
[19:31] <elfy> May
[19:31] <knome> cycle wrap-up, project future leadership, etc...
[19:32] <elfy> next week perhaps - normal day
[19:32] <knome> yeah...
[19:33] <knome> #info Next meeting: Thu, 17 April at 19UTC
[19:33] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 19:33:31 2014 UTC.
[19:33] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-15-19.03.moin.txt
[19:33] <slickymaster> ok, dinner time for me
[19:34] <pleia2> enjoy
[19:34] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[19:35] <elfy> knome: so release notes - I'll add something to them re ibus
[19:36] <knome> yep, thanks
[19:37] <elfy> so - the only issue I'm thinking of atm is power and odd lightdm things
[19:38] <elfy> bug 1298237
[19:38] <elfy> not only us - other people affected by lightdm issues
[19:39] <knome> elfy, what about bug 1307929 ;))
[19:39] <elfy> that's light-locker not lightdm
[19:40] <elfy> I'd love to be able to me too it - but it's not affecting me here
[19:41] <knome> i'm sure it only affects a ver specific subset of setups
[19:44] <elfy> yep - definitely not affected here - just did it twice
[19:55] <elfy> knome: not sure of the moinmoin markup needed to make the ibus comment work :p
[19:56] <elfy> kind of wants to be a sub-bullet of the exisiting ibus comment
[19:56] <knome> heh
[19:57] <elfy> ta :)
[20:04] <elfy> 2 upgrade tests to do then I can't do anymore without repeating myself - gives me tomorrow to do some live session testing \o/
[20:05] <knome> nice
[20:08] <elfy> knome: so was that it - an extra space before the * ?
[20:09] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:09] <elfy> good night jhenke
[20:10] <knome> elfy, yep...
[20:11] <knome> " * item" for 1st leve
[20:11] <knome> "  * item" for 2nd level
[20:13] <elfy> right
[20:46] <Unit193> Well crap, missed the meeting and now no scrollback of it. :/
[20:46] <elfy> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-04-15-19.03.log.html
[21:06] <knome> Unit193, very.. full of information, that meeting :P


[06:57] <RAOF> GAH! CachedPtr strikes again!
[07:02] <RAOF> ...and EOD>
[11:08] <alan_g> greyback: I've been poking around miral-qt again. Fixed (subject to review) some stuff that needed fixing.
[11:08] <greyback> alan_g: ack. I've just opened the queue
[11:12] <greyback> alan_g: looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/remove-some-modules-Unity-Application-dependence-on-libmirserver-dev/+merge/309593 - you move the mirserver dependency into a small helper utility - is that all you will do with that, or have you further plans?
[11:16] <alan_g> greyback: it's a process, I first want to isolate the precise features that are being used, and then review how (or if) they should look in libmiral. I suspect some are not yet stable enough and am wondering about an "experimental" library to move them to for now.
[11:22] <greyback> alan_g: ok. Wanted to be clear on the direction
[11:27] <alan_g> Sure. In this case it makes it clear how little of the mir/scene/session.h interface is used.
[16:12] <alan_g> greyback_: just wondering... why does Mir "Need api for client to inhibit screen dim/off" when AFAICS it is no more involved than in "cut&paste" or "drag&drop"?
[16:14] <greyback_> alan_g: you could look at it that way, yes. But I believe copy&paste/dnd were designed with as little mir involvement due to the content-exchange aspect.
[16:15] <greyback_> whereas this strikes me as very close to mir's existing functionality - display configuration
[16:17] <alan_g> But repowerd manages screen dim/off. The only thing needed is "what's the current app?"
[16:17] <alan_g> Which is almost the same as C&P
[16:18] <greyback_> I'd say current focusedwindow more than current app, but you point remains
[16:23] <alan_g> thanks


[14:11] <ilembitov> Hi, all. Could you guys please tell me, what's the "wl" driver? I can't see this things in other distros. Is it fwcutter? Ndiswapper? Or what is it?


[04:56] <pitti> Good morning
[05:45] <larsu> what a wonderful morning!
[05:50] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[05:51] <larsu> pitti: fantastisch - war gerade in der Sonne joggen :)
[05:51] <pitti> larsu: wow, alles grau und regnerisch hier
[05:51] <larsu> pitti: hier nicht :P https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tpuhymanh0255xv/AABAidOQ2jiSrTKFY2sAJc7ia
[05:51] <pitti> niice!
[05:52] <larsu> :)
[05:52] <larsu> wie gehts dir?
[05:53] <pitti> larsu: ganz okay, konnte nur wieder schlecht schlafen
[05:53] <larsu> pitti: oh?  I was certain informations was always plural
[06:42] <pitti> "information" is like "water", no "informations" in English
[06:43] <pitti> contre par français ou allemand :)
[06:43] <didrocks> ah, so the contrary, I probably mixed up with "news"
[06:43] <didrocks> thx, fixing!
[06:43] <larsu> didrocks: yes, "information" is already plural. There's no need to add an extra s
[06:43] <didrocks> larsu: crazy language :p
[06:43] <pitti> en effet !
[06:43] <larsu> didrocks: I guess in French it's like in German? (singular: Information; plural: Informationen)
[06:43] <didrocks> ;)
[06:44] <didrocks> right: information, informations
[06:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:44] <pitti> in English, "information" and "advice" are both not countable, so no plural
[06:44] <larsu> ah even harder because it's spelled the same
[06:44] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! ça va ?
[06:44] <larsu> pitti: thanks for your advices!
[06:45] <pitti> larsu: *OCD jumping up and down*
[06:45] <seb128> hey pitti
[06:45]  * larsu calms pitti down
[06:45] <pitti> mais on a appris le calendrier et les dates hier soir au course français -- c'est un peu difficile aussi !
[06:48] <seb128> pitti, tu prends des cours de français ?
[06:49] <pitti> seb128: oui, depuis la dernière semaine
[06:49] <seb128> ah, c'est bien :-)
[06:49] <seb128> 1 fois par semaine ?
[06:49] <pitti> (la semaine derniére ? je ne peux pas me rappeler)
[06:49] <didrocks> pitti: passe ton système en français, tu auras la date du jour comme ça :)
[06:50] <pitti> seb128: oui, et quelques exercises pour faire à maison
[06:51] <pitti> didrocks: désolé, je ne l'ai pas compris ça
[06:52] <didrocks> pitti: easy, "system-settings -> languages -> french" ;) then you will have a french date!
[06:52] <pitti> seb128: les courses (où je peux parler avec des vraies personnes :) ) et duolingo sont bien pour apprendre
[06:52] <seb128> pitti, "les cours", "courses" c'est pour le shopping ou le sport ;-)
[06:53] <pitti> didrocks: ah! le mot "passer" a trop de significations
[06:53] <seb128> pitti, tu parleras bientôt français comme Didier et moi !
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: ah, merci
[06:53] <didrocks> pitti: facile, tu utilises "faire" ou "passer" et tu les mets partout :p
[06:54] <pitti> seb128: j'attends avec impatience le fêtes des lumières en decembre, Annett et moi vont visiter !
[06:54] <pitti> didrocks: :)
[06:54] <larsu> je ne comprends rien!
[06:54] <larsu> il fait chaud?!
[06:54] <seb128> pitti, vous allez bien vous amuser :-)
[06:54] <seb128> lol
[06:54] <seb128> larsu, sorry man ;-)
[06:54] <larsu> marmelade?
[06:54] <larsu> bibliotheque!
[06:54] <pitti> err, "avons" visiter, évidemment
[06:56] <seb128> Laney, desrt, bug 1495781 seems a side effect of the fix for trash on overlayfs you did
[06:56] <seb128> oh, I see that Laney already saw that/commented upstream
[06:57] <pitti> larsu: oui, il fait chaud (et humide) ici !
[06:57] <larsu> :)
[06:58] <pitti> larsu: ¿como estas?
[07:00] <larsu> pitti: bien, pero no entiendo lo que diceís
[07:04]  * seb128 reconfigure larsu, seems he got a wrong locale set
[07:06] <larsu> Configuration file `larsu'
[07:07] <larsu>  ==> Modified (by you or a script) since installation
[07:07] <larsu>  ==> Package distributor has shipped and updated version.
[07:07] <larsu>     What would you like to do?
[07:07] <larsu>   Y: install the package maintainers version
[07:07] <larsu>   N: keep your local version
[07:08] <larsu> *** (Y/N/blah) [default=N]
[07:12] <seb128> larsu, :-)
[07:16] <seb128> larsu, did you need another review for the tz lib code/packaging?
[07:27] <willcooke> heeyyyooooo
[07:28] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:32] <larsu> seb128: Laney had a look yesterday, but I guess another set of eyes can't hurt :)
[07:32] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[07:32] <seb128> larsu, what's the url again?
[07:32] <hikiko> willcooke, managed to post cards
[07:32] <hikiko> with perl
[07:32] <hikiko> now I only have to do the lp part :)
[07:32] <hikiko> hello btw
[07:32] <hikiko> :p
[07:33] <hikiko> (in trello) :p
[07:33] <seb128> hey hikiko
[07:33] <seb128> larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/indicator-sound/fixUnity8MuteNotification/+merge/266459 looks fine to you?
[07:33] <larsu> seb128: https://git.launchpad.net/geonames/?h=debian
[07:34] <seb128> larsu, danke
[07:34] <larsu> seb128: wow this is STILL a problem?!
[07:34] <seb128> larsu, that mp is not that old?
[07:34] <larsu> I commented a month ago :)
[07:35] <seb128> oh, that was august :p
[07:35] <larsu> ;)
[07:35] <seb128> well, no reason it goes away if nothing changes
[07:36] <seb128> I'm doing a landing for indicator-sound and I was wondering if I should include that
[07:36] <larsu> I don't consider myself maintaining this anymore after people overrode decisions of mine
[07:36] <hikiko> hi seb128
[07:36] <larsu> but I
[07:36] <larsu> I'll comment again
[07:36] <seb128> but if it's still discussed that's fine, it can go with the next landing
[07:36] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[07:36] <larsu> seb128: at least the whitespace fuckup should be fixed
[07:36] <larsu> so yeah, let's wait for the next landing
[07:37] <seb128> larsu, whitespace, you mean the alignment fix in the first chunck?
[07:37] <larsu> yes
[07:37] <seb128> it seems correct but has nothing to do with that changeset so should probably be split?
[07:37] <larsu> oh wait, your're right
[07:37]  * larsu misread the else
[07:37] <larsu> thanks
[07:37] <larsu> wait a second please
[07:37] <seb128> yw
[07:37] <seb128> sure
[07:38] <seb128> I'm going to make coffee
[07:38] <seb128> take your time
[07:38] <larsu> enjoy
[07:38] <seb128> thanks :-)
[07:45] <willcooke> hey hikiko - nice one!  Thanks!
[07:50] <larsu> seb128: done, but still has problems
[07:56] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the review!
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:03] <larsu> hi Laney
[08:05] <Laney> hey larsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUuuuuUUUuuuuuuu
[08:05] <larsu> oh wow
[08:05] <larsu> how are you?
[08:08] <Laney> gnarly thanks
[08:08] <Laney> I went on a ride last night where we looked at how the rain makes pudddles in the road
[08:08] <Laney> and the angle of kerbs
[08:08] <Laney> and the positioning of trees
[08:08] <Laney> the timing of traffic signals
[08:09] <Laney> IT WAS GREAT!
[08:09] <Laney> you?
[08:09] <larsu> documenting how well cyclists can use the infrastructure?
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:09] <larsu> pretty good thanks
[08:09] <larsu> went running in the sun this morning
[08:10] <Laney> sun
[08:10] <Laney> what is this word
[08:10] <larsu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun ?
[08:10] <Laney> 404
[08:10] <Laney> (HAHAHAHA)
[08:10] <larsu> haha
[08:10] <larsu> Britain.
[08:11] <larsu> they block porn and references to good waether
[08:11] <Laney> and they want to build a superhighway for bikes or something so we were looking at the route of that
[08:11] <larsu> *weather
[08:11] <larsu> oh cool!
[08:11] <larsu> superhighway sounds ... galactic!
[08:11]  * Laney speeds into the city centre
[08:12] <Laney> hey seb128!
[08:12] <Laney> how's home life?
[08:12] <Laney> do you miss the trail?
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, Trevinho, does one of you fancy reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538 ?
[08:17] <Laney> 15/09 09:17:35 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 7     infinity               +ARefiorstv (dmb-member) [modified 6w 1d 14h ago]
[08:17] <Laney> oops!
[08:17] <Laney> secret dmb leakage :-)
[08:18] <larsu> seb128: is this ours now that MacSlow is gone?
[08:18] <seb128> larsu, because it was not before? ;-)
[08:18] <larsu> *officially :/
[08:18] <seb128> but I guess "yes"
[08:18] <Laney> he's still alive you know
[08:19] <larsu> not in this channel
[08:19] <Laney> might be willing to review things
[08:19] <larsu> so ... not really
[08:19] <Laney> dunno what kind of tab completion you have
[08:19] <larsu> oh hi MacSlow :)
[08:19]  * larsu must be confused
[08:19] <Laney> but I guess yes officially
[08:20] <hikiko> is it possible to resize the screen to a resolution that is > to your screen resolution?
[08:21] <seb128> hikiko, should not no
[08:21] <larsu> hopefully not
[08:21] <hikiko> thanks seb128
[08:22] <hikiko> I was wondering
[08:22] <hikiko> if I could reproduce this bug:
[08:22] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1485727
[08:22] <hikiko> without vbox
[08:22] <hikiko> because development directly in the pc is faster
[08:23] <MacSlow> larsu, well I'll certainly still be around... it's not that I drop of the face of the earth :)
[08:23] <seb128> hikiko, you can configure a lower resolution, start compiz/unity and then change back the native one
[08:23] <hikiko> let's see
[08:25] <seb128> Laney, hey, life is good :-) I do miss the trail at time but my feet don't !
[08:25] <seb128> I miss the good weather though
[08:25] <seb128> we had sun mostly in Scotland where it's windy and rainy here
[08:26] <larsu> MacSlow: hopefully!
[08:26] <larsu> seb128: since when is inhibiting idle the same as not showing notifications?
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, they apparently had their worst summer in a while, but weather turned to be good just when we arrived :-)
[08:26]  * larsu guesses this is what we did before?
[08:26] <Laney> oh wow
[08:27] <seb128> I'm unsure, seems like we disabled it when lock screen is on
[08:27] <hikiko> mm the bug doesn't appear at all :/ I ll use virtualbox
[08:27] <Laney> larsu: I guess it's an approximation for full screen
[08:27] <larsu> indeed
[08:28] <Laney> I didn't notice this was broken
[08:28] <Laney> yay for the death of IM clients!
[08:28] <larsu> :(
[08:28] <larsu> now we have custom notifications from firefox instead
[08:28] <seb128> yeah, unsure what dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited is for exactly
[08:29] <larsu> gnome shell doesn't seem to do this
[08:29] <seb128> maybe MacSlow remembers
[08:29] <larsu> tbh, I think we should probably throw this out completely
[08:29] <seb128> that would work for me as well
[08:29] <seb128> MacSlow, do you remember why we had the dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited logic (see https://code.launchpad.net/~nobuto/notify-osd/fix_dnd_is_screensaver_inhibited/+merge/255538)
[08:30] <MacSlow> seb128, larsu: iirc that was because we wanted to avoid notifications showing up when e.g. the user is doing a fullscreen-presentation..
[08:31] <larsu> MacSlow: we should probably have a special inhibit flag for that
[08:31] <MacSlow> ... to avoid embarrasing moments when getting cozy IM-messages from your spouse/wife/husband/whatever...
[08:33] <MacSlow> larsu, but several upstream apps would then have to be patched too, if we introduce a new inhibit-mechanism
[08:34] <larsu> indeed...
[08:35] <MacSlow> larsu, I see another "grep of hell" in the future ;) at least for the package in main
[08:36] <MacSlow> packages
[08:36] <Laney> seems annoying
[08:36] <MacSlow> Laney, well... we have some experience in that
[08:37] <Laney> doing annoying development? :)
[08:38]  * larsu chuckles
[08:38] <MacSlow> Laney, no... just the "grep of hell"-part :)
[08:39] <Laney> larsu: what /does/ shell do?
[08:40] <larsu> Laney: trying to find out right now.....
[08:40] <Trevinho> hikiko: best checking with VMware, also you can build in host  and just copy the built libunityshell in guest
[08:42] <seb128> Laney, larsu, I think they use to have a "dnd" switch in the equivalent of their indicator-session which inhibit notifications
[08:42] <seb128> but that's a manual action
[08:42] <hikiko> true, that's what I ll do Trevinho
[08:42] <seb128> unsure if/what they do for the fullscreen presentation case
[08:46] <larsu> seb128: they don't seem to anymore... calling Inhibit(8) still let's me send notifications
[08:46] <larsu> Laney: ^
[08:47] <didrocks> on, some Internet…
[08:47] <didrocks> oh*
[08:47] <didrocks> (break time)
[08:47] <seb128> hey didrocks, how is the conf?
[08:48] <didrocks> seb128: the talks are a little bit basic… At least, it confirms my understanding where they want to go with it
[08:48] <didrocks> and how they try to convince web developers to use an object/element model system
[08:48] <didrocks> which is quite obvious for us to structure an app :)
[08:49] <didrocks> however, quite not impressed by their network connection
[08:57] <hikiko> https://i.imgur.com/ysUU76u.jpg wily blue screen of death  :p (I started unity in a broken vm)
[09:03] <Trevinho> O_o
[10:05] <larsu> seb128, Laney: I added a demo app at https://git.launchpad.net/geonames?h=master which is not built by default (because we don't want the package to depend on gtk)
[10:05] <larsu> would appreciate if you could break it for me
[10:06] <larsu> should be feature complete with the ubuntu-system-settings version (plus sorting by population, which I just added)
[10:06] <larsu> next on my list is to allow localized names as well, but that's tricky (and wouldn't be a regression)
[10:06] <larsu> Laney: shall I port system-settings, or do you want to?
[10:13] <Laney> larsu: I'm not that keen so if you are then go wild
[11:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien!
[11:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: Would appreciate some advice on bug #1495097. Time to take a look?
[11:34] <larsu> there is no Swedish conspiracy
[11:50] <Laney> GunnarHj: docs team ping
[11:50] <Laney> GunnarHj: haven't had the default wallpaper yet, is that a problem for you?
[11:50] <Laney> supposed to be coming soon
[11:51] <Laney> also, hey, how's it going? :)
[11:52] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, I'm fine, thanks. How about you?
[11:52] <Laney> feeling a bit octopus like
[11:53] <ogra_> growing suckers ?
[11:54] <Laney> predicting the outcome of sporting tournaments
[11:54]  * Laney misses Paul
[11:55] <GunnarHj> Laney: No problem with the wallpaper; we don't use it in language specific screenshots, so we can fix the English screenshots after doc string freeze.
[11:56] <Laney> I'm guessing (but don't know) that it will be another tweak on the same concept
[11:56] <Laney> so maybe not even that noticable
[11:58] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[11:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: Is there some conference going on?
[11:58] <Laney> don't think so
[11:58] <Laney> why?
[11:59] <GunnarHj> Laney: Checked out the irc log for #ubuntu-desktop, and people started to talk at 04:56. Probably the time stamp is wrong then. ;)
[12:00] <Laney> you should grep for pitti's "good morning" over the last few years :)
[12:00] <GunnarHj> Yeah, but it wasn't just pitti...
[12:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[12:05] <seb128> GunnarHj, those timestamps are UTC ones, so it's almost 6am local time and the next line is one hour after that
[12:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, I jumped at conclusion then. :)
[12:08] <GunnarHj> larsu: Just noticed your remark "no Swedish conspiracy". Guess I have to believe you. ;)
[12:17] <seb128> Trevinho, re your comment on the notify-osd change, cf channel backlog, it seems like it's a hack solution to not display notification when doing presentations and such (e.g assuming that presentation/view mode inhibit idle)
[13:46] <willcooke> didrocks, the script you mentioned in your email - is that to import in to Trello or to process bugs?
[13:49] <didrocks> willcooke: the one in my email is to import to Trello
[13:50] <didrocks> (and there is some other snippets as well on processing/syncing bugs email)
[13:50] <willcooke> cool, I will speak to Ted, thanks didrocks
[13:50] <didrocks> yw
[13:51] <didrocks> willcooke: mostly sure we had one for trello, (that was before the company mostly move to asana)
[13:57]  * Laney hacked the sponsorship report to give per-team reports
[13:57] <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ubuntu-desktop.html
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, great :-)
[14:01] <larsu> \o/
[14:01] <seb128> though a bit weird
[14:02] <seb128> why are things like exim and bcmwl and livecd-rootfs on our list?
[14:02] <seb128> we don't even have exim on the iso
[14:03] <Laney> Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in wily
[14:03] <Laney> * Reverse Recommends: +- subversion-tools |  * Supported-Development-Desktop seed
[14:04] <seb128> hum, k
[14:05] <Laney> we might want to clean up these supported lists
[14:05] <seb128> indeed
[14:06] <Laney> but for sponsoring we can probably handle a few weird things being on there
[14:06] <Laney> like that exim merge has already waited a while
[14:07] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:07] <seb128> yeah
[14:08] <seb128> I tend to look at everything in the queue when I sponsor, often there are easy sync requests or typo fixes or small patches for things that don't belong to any important set
[14:08] <seb128> but I guess some people would prefer keeping a closer eye on the desktop subset
[14:08] <Laney> sort of hoping that I can get into a habit of checking this set more regularly
[14:08] <Laney> and patch pilot everything in the queue once a month
[14:08] <seb128> that would be good
[14:09]  * Laney wonders about indicator-sponsoring ;-)
[14:12] <larsu> uh oh
[14:12] <larsu> is Laney tedg in disguise?
[14:12] <Laney> heheh
[14:13] <tedg> larsu: We often get confused.
[14:14] <tedg> But please ping charles about indicator reviews.
[14:15] <seb128> tedg, I though people confused you with Ken usually; not Charles? ;-)
[14:16] <tedg> seb128: I tried to get business cards with "The better looking kenvandine" on them, but eh, they said it was too long.
[14:16] <seb128> lol
[14:16] <kenvandine> lol
[14:21]  * larsu lokks puzzled
[14:21] <larsu> *looks
[14:44] <GunnarHj> seb128: Did you notice my request for advice on bug #1495097?
[14:44] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, sorry, I was on my way to lunch and forgot to look at it once I was back
[14:44] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Time now?
[14:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, looking
[14:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, seems fine to update to 1.3.3 as a SRU, maybe not taking the vivid version though, we try to minimize the delta when doing SRUs for easier reviews
[14:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, hum, 1.3.3 has features though
[14:46] <seb128> "OpenDocument (ODF and Flat ODF) support"
[14:47] <seb128> unsure if the SRU team would be happy with that
[14:47] <seb128> it might be better to backport the bugfixes commits
[14:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: The problem is that we have been trying that way for a few days, and haven't succeeded (at least not yet).
[14:48] <seb128> why? you didn't figure out which commits fix the issue?
[14:48] <seb128> is there a vcs for hunspell?
[14:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: We found which commits claims to fix the issue, but backporting them only partially addresses the problem.
[14:49] <GunnarHj> seb128: So it's complex.
[14:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: The PPA was made for the purpose.
[14:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, you can try to make a debdiff of the 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 update and ping the SRU team for opinions to see if they consider that acceptable as a SRU
[14:52] <seb128> if they don't then you need to do more work figuring out what to backport
[14:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. That diff will contain a lot of other stuff, though...
[14:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, which is why the SRU team might reject the idea to do that update
[14:53] <willcooke> hikiko, I asked tedg and he pointed me to robru
[14:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll do as you suggest. Thanks!
[14:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw!
[15:00] <hikiko> willcooke, at least we know that someone has the script already :D less work for us!
[15:01] <willcooke> hikiko, :)
[15:01] <hallyn> 'unity-control-center network' in uptodate wily says 'The system network services are not compatible with this version" - known inprogress bug?
[15:02] <hikiko> hallyn, I just installed wily today, wait a sec, I ll see if I can reproduce it
[15:06] <hikiko> hallyn, I got the same message :)
[15:06] <hikiko> (fresh installation, default settings)
[15:07] <seb128> hallyn, not known until now and not in progress
[15:07] <seb128> I guess a sideeffect of nm 1.0
[15:07] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ do you know about it?
[15:07] <hallyn> ok, thx. combined with not being able to run unity (for the net indicator) and wpa_supplicant+dhclient not updating resolvconf correctly, it's starting to feel like linux-from-scratch here :)
[15:07]  * Sweet5hark lurks around in backlog.
[15:07] <hallyn> thanks hikiko
[15:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:08] <cyphermox> unity-control-center network?
[15:08] <Sweet5hark> seb128: welcome back from vacation, btw! ;)
[15:08] <cyphermox> use nm-connection-editor
[15:08] <seb128> cyphermox, unity-control-center is our gnome-control-center fork
[15:08] <cyphermox> yes, I knew that :)
[15:09] <cyphermox> I'm just saying I hadn't heard of that issue
[15:09] <seb128> k
[15:09] <cyphermox> it's got to be checking versions
[15:09] <seb128> do you have some cycle to have a lot?
[15:09] <seb128> cyphermox, I guess something like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f5
[15:09] <seb128> let me try that
[15:09] <cyphermox> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=f30e6df1d4665b06a45ad7bbe7a2ed2bfa9387f5
[15:09] <cyphermox> hah
[15:10] <cyphermox> yes, we get to the same thing
[15:10] <seb128> hallyn, want to report a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+filebug ?
[15:10] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:10] <Laney> that's lucky
[15:10] <Laney> looks like the panel got refactored since
[15:10] <seb128> unsure it applies
[15:10] <seb128> so wait for lucky comments :p
[15:14] <qengho> Do any of you have a x86 32/64bit CPU that has no sse instruction set? Some kinds of AMD CPU or the like?
[15:14] <qengho> $ grep " sse " /proc/cpuinfo
[15:18] <qengho> ^ if that says anything, your CPU is too good for my purposes.
[15:19] <willcooke> qengho,checking.  Maybe a virtual machine can help?
[15:21] <qengho> willcooke: True, it could give me a positive result but I wouldn't trust a negative result.
[15:21] <willcooke> qengho, I assume you need a desktop as well?
[15:22] <willcooke> meh, even my VMs say they support sse
[15:23] <qengho> willcooke: Yes, or fake x server. I need to know if Chromium is really avoiding SSE instructions if the CPU doesn't support it.
[15:24] <willcooke> qengho, is ARM any use?
[15:24] <willcooke> expect not
[15:24] <qengho> willcooke: no.
[15:29]  * willcooke feels a disturbance in the force
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <hikiko> meeting time?
[15:30] <desrt> bzzt
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-15
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 15 15:30:33 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <desrt> o/
[15:30] <larsu> o\
[15:31] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <hikiko> /o\
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <qengho> o--
[15:31] <hikiko> -O0
[15:31] <desrt> -ggdb3 ?
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> .
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's go...
[15:32]  * larsu stays
[15:32] <hallyn> seb128: bug 1496028 , thx
[15:32] <willcooke> If you are not around when it's your go please shout and I will come back to you at the end
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> I spent this week still trying to fix the resize bug on vm
[15:33] <andyrock> I'm kind of blocked
[15:33] <andyrock> so I asked help to hikiko
[15:34] <andyrock> she knows more about compiz
[15:34] <andyrock> we have workaround to fix the problem
[15:34] <andyrock> but would be nice to have a proper fix
[15:35] <andyrock> eof
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> not much, continuing work on gtk popup menu placement... fixing the code to make sure we can properly support combo boxes...
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> got the inotify stuff into the glib tree as a patch against the backend... basic file monitoring is working, but i need to improve support for missing files, symlinks, etc.
[15:36] <desrt> i also have nothing else at all to say about anything else
[15:36] <desrt> eof.
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks desrt.  Thank you for working over the weekend for the inotify stuff
[15:37] <desrt> np.  still lots of work to do there unfortunately
[15:37] <desrt> i found that my approach has a problem :(
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> oops, sorry desrt
[15:37] <desrt> no worries.  does not need to be discussed here.
[15:37] <willcooke> kk
[15:37] <willcooke> dgadomski, how goes?
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> it's gonna be quick again - there were no new desktop issues reported, so nothing to share this time.
[15:38] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:38] <willcooke> \o/
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:38] <FJKong> continue fixing bugs on pinyin search
[15:39] <FJKong> need to search how to display icon
[15:39] <FJKong> new feature requirement for andvanced search
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> probably out
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <hikiko> just came back from holidays so that's what I did yesterday and today...: finished those tutorials, and I am looking at bug #1485727 I think the problem is that we have gl calls called by a signal handler so we don't know what the opengl context is when thes calls run (+we have different processes at that time)
[15:43] <hikiko> a change of mine revealed this bug but it was necessary I can't revert it
[15:43] <hikiko> (that's the bug andyrock mentioned)
[15:43] <hikiko> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:43] <willcooke> good work on the blog posts
[15:43] <willcooke> and very cool video
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:45] <Laney> • Help upload indicator-datetime for timedated fixes
[15:45] <Laney> • Review/upload gnome-terminal from Trevinho to improve scrollbars
[15:45] <Laney> • Make it so you can disable whoopsie on Ubuntu phones (fix the "don't send crash reports" setting)
[15:45] <Laney> • Help with uploading a new gtk to the "overlay" for phone, move off old Mir
[15:45] <Laney> • Work on a private test for a new version of the Ubuntu font
[15:45] <Laney> • Update: gdk-pixbuf
[15:45] <Laney> • Work with gstreamer upstream on some patches to fix conflicting typedefs with gl (not gles) disabled, now fixed
[15:45] <Laney> • Small hacking on the sponsor queue to generate per-team reports
[15:45] <Laney> • Poke a bit at glib, there's a race/timing issue in GDateTime, file upstream
[15:45] <Laney> • Some release team reviews
[15:45] <Laney> ☞
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:46] <larsu> - finished up datetime stuff (thanks again Laney)
[15:47] <larsu> - made a library for looking up city names, becasue city selections on phone and desktop are really bad
[15:47] <larsu> (looked through all bugs I could find to see what we need)
[15:47] <larsu> project is up, testing appreciated
[15:47] <larsu> - started integrating that into u-c-c, u-s-s is up next

[15:47] <seb128> larsu \o/
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:47] <seb128> thanks for working on the city selection
[15:47] <seb128> that was needed :-)
[15:48] <Laney> really bad hurts my feelings :(
[15:48] <larsu> :)
[15:48] <willcooke> yes, huge usability improvement - thanks
[15:48]  * Trevinho agrees
[15:48] <larsu> Laney: "bad" was the backend you used - not your fault
[15:48] <qengho> Is UTC an option? The geographic list bothers me elsewhere.
[15:49] <larsu> qengho: elsewhere?
[15:49] <larsu> qengho: no, you can only select cities
[15:49] <qengho> That Other Phone OS.
[15:49] <larsu> ah. take it up with mpt :)
[15:49]  * larsu thinks we should only accept places in an entry labelled "location"
[15:50] <willcooke> let's take this bit of the discussion up after the meeting
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:50] <qengho> * chromium 45.0.2454.85 bugs. Not released yet.
[15:50] <qengho> ** sse instruction-set detection and SIGILLs.
[15:50] <qengho> ** l10n package might be broken. staging-ppa user complained. can't reproduce yet.
[15:50] <qengho> * bug, Cr can't run in guest account. kernel patch dependencies should have landed everywhere in May.
[15:50] <qengho> EOF
[15:50]  * Laney feels better
[15:51] <willcooke> Can people check their old machines to help test the SSE issue
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:51] <qengho> Old AMDs?
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:51] <seb128> was on holidays, only back since yesterday
[15:51] <seb128> • spent most of the day catching up with backlog
[15:51] <seb128> • landed indicator fixes made during the london week (to start the correct settings binary under unity8 desktop sessions)
[15:51] <seb128> • uploaded some other pending desktop fixes as well (notify-osd, indicator-session)
[15:51] <seb128> • tested a libusermetrics bugfix and found an issue, discussed extra changes required
[15:51] <seb128> • started looking at u-c-c needed some changes to be compatible with n-m 1

[15:52] <larsu> day 5?
[15:52] <seb128> .5
[15:52] <seb128> yesterday and today
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - accompanied/finished LibrOffice 5.0.1/wily upload (thanks cyphermox)
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - tested using system libetonyek, libwps, libcmis, cppunit: looking good
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - security topics
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - conference preparations: travel, slides, code
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> - next up: <IP_ADDRESS> FFE, expected to be tagged upstream tomorrow
[15:53] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:53] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:53] <willcooke> * Finall found and fixed the accessibility bug to do with quicklist menu items not being spoken by Orca.
[15:53] <willcooke> * Found and fixed a similar bug with the shutdown/restart/logout buttons.
[15:53] <willcooke> * Discussions with upstrea about Orca gsettings implementation details.
[15:53] <willcooke> * Started looking at into packaging PulseAudio 7 and putting it in a PPA for testing. It would be nice to land this early for 16.04
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Several fixes done on the load balancing of cups-browsed, especially jobs are not waiting on the servers but on the client, avoiding loss on server failure or removal and better distribution of the work load. We chack also if the remote queues are actually accepting jobs, let AppArmor allow cups-browsed to create files for default printer management and load balancing. These and more fixes are released in cups-filters 1.0.76 now
[15:53] <tkamppeter> and included in Wily.
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - cups: Backported infinite loop fix for the USB backend.
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: More testing.
[15:53] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:54] <willcooke> tkamppeter, did you parcel arrive?
[15:55] <tkamppeter> willcooke, not yet, tracking told on 09/09 that it is going to Curitiba, then nothin and today it said that it has arrived in Curitiba, from there it should somehow get to here.
[15:56] <willcooke> tkamppeter, ack.  thanks
[15:56] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:56] <Trevinho> First Meeting with Nudt (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/Meeting/2015/20150910)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Landed new scrollbar theming and fixes for gnome-terminal
[15:56] <Trevinho> Fixed FTTB in libunity
[15:56] <Trevinho> Even more autopilot-legacy fixes
[15:56] <Trevinho> Done landing for new unity, ubuntu-themes, compiz, autopilot and libunity (took more than expected due to regressions)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Some updates to the unity7 howto build post (https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Nux window compositor event handling fixes (needed to get new dash scrollbars working)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Prepared a backport branch for trusty SRU on a security but of unity-settings-daemon (needs seb128 ack)
[15:56] <Trevinho> Usual reviews
[15:56] <Trevinho> 
[15:56] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:56] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:57] <willcooke> - Worked on XMir issues with duflu
[15:57] <willcooke> - Released simple-scan 3.17.92
[15:57] <willcooke> - Stable package updates
[15:57] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry I was on vac, I can look at your security change this week if you remind me the url
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:57] <Trevinho> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-settings-daemon/automount-monitor-lockscreen-trusty (it's just a backport, same code already in wily)
[15:57] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[15:58] <willcooke> Sprint - still no news.  Considering a move of location and/or date to see if we finalise everything.  More news as I get it.
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, did you apply for DMB again? you said you would do after holidays
[15:58] <mdeslaur> Trevinho, seb128: I am pushing out unity-settings-daemon security updates tomorrow
[15:58] <mpt> qengho, I specced that “UTC” should be an unlisted but typeable option for the PC settings, but I never did the same for the phone settings. Maybe I should. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#PC>
[15:58] <seb128> mdeslaur, oh, great, thanks
[15:58] <mdeslaur> Trevinho, seb128: so please don't do anything with that merge request, I'm handling it in the usual security update way
[15:58] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: ah, fair enough. I was considering a landing at this point (as it was there for long time ayway :))
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: not yet. looked and found a sponsor/reviewer from the DMB for the LibreOffice package though. (cyphermox this time).
[15:59] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: thanks for fixing that! :)
[15:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, less work, +1 from me!
[15:59] <Trevinho> np ;)
[16:00] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:00] <willcooke> ok, I think we're there.
[16:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: he wondered how I am neither drunk nor in hospital after seeing the nitty-gritty details of the package.
[16:00] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 15 16:00:28 2015 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-09-15-15.30.moin.txt
[16:00] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'll trade you for finding someone to review this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdeslaur/indicator-power/fix-priorities
[16:00] <seb128> willcooke, if we move the sprint maybe ask everyone what weeks they are available or not (or check calendar if it has the info)
[16:00] <willcooke> seb128, of course
[16:02] <Laney> That would be annoying
[16:02] <Laney> I've been turning down plans for that week
[16:04] <willcooke> Laney, likewise
[16:04] <willcooke> it's a last resort
[16:05] <seb128> willcooke, imho better to keep the week, if locations don't work and we have to do it in London let's do that?
[16:06] <willcooke> seb128, yeah I think that's the best option
[16:06] <willcooke> clan is working on it right now
[16:06] <seb128> k
[16:06] <Trevinho> well, but Prague.... <3
[16:07] <Trevinho> Anyway, it's fine everywhere for me
[16:08] <larsu> willcooke: sorry to be so blunt, but wtf is going on? We have a sprint every October and yet time/date is still up in the air...
[16:08] <larsu> it's very hard to make any plans this way
[16:08] <Sweet5hark> oh, guys, I forgot the big news for today ....
[16:08] <willcooke> larsu, I'll be happy to discuss off line
[16:08] <larsu> *time/place, sorry
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> Italian military switches 150.000 desktops to LibreOffice and ODF: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/italian-military-switch-libreoffice-and-odf
[16:10] <Laney> time to commit a patch that changes all documents to "we stand for peace, the military is disbanded"
[16:10]  * Trevinho proud of his army (for the first time ever)
[16:10]  * Trevinho proud of his army (for the first time ever)
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: heh
[16:11] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: yeah, thats all kinds of awesome.
[16:12] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: all kudos to the LibreItalia team. They are very awesome.
[16:15] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: yeah, I meet them from time to time, they're really cool guys!
[16:17] <larsu> mpt: why UTC but not GMT or PDT?
[16:18] <larsu> because otherwise one could't select a timezone without daylight savings time?
[17:06] <seb128> Laney, unsure if you get u-c-c mps, you mentioned cases in the past where you didn't receive emails about those, so in case, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/nm1/+merge/271157
[17:06] <seb128> cyphermox, ^
[17:07] <seb128> that fixes the buggy check and make the panel work without complaining
[17:07] <Laney> seb128: will look tomorrow if nobody else does, thanks!
[17:07] <Laney> and no I don't but at least they should come up on that sponsor page now
[17:07] <seb128> Laney, thanks, enjoy your evening!
[17:07] <seb128> climbing night for you?
[17:07]  * seb128 has tennis tonight
[17:07] <cyphermox> approved.
[17:07] <seb128> quite wet and windy outside though
[17:07] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[17:08] <cyphermox> do I should do the merge too, or is that all you need?
[17:09] <Laney> no climbing, did that the last two days
[17:09] <cyphermox> oh, is this stuff that has to go through silos?
[17:09] <Laney> MGS V → pub quiz
[17:09] <Laney> it is a silofest
[17:10]  * cyphermox fixes ubiquity instead
[17:10] <Laney> you could practice your CI train skills
[17:10] <cyphermox> well, technically I probably should be a trainguard this week or something, so it's possibly better if others do it
[17:10] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm doing a landing, already in a silp
[17:10] <seb128> silo
[17:11] <cyphermox> ok
[17:11] <seb128> Laney, good luck for the quiz ;-)
[17:11] <didrocks> enjoy Laney ;)
[17:11] <Laney> late night didrocks
[23:19] <sethj> well
[23:20] <sethj> I was going to help with the bug scrub, but the ubiquity crash bug prevents me from installing Wily so..