[00:07] <nealmcb> NCommander, ng, nxvl: I just noticed that while pushing bzr --fixes doesn't change the bug, it does provide a little button on the trunk page to update the bug.  I see it, and hope others do also:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nealmcb/electionaudits/trunk
[00:07] <NCommander> oh
[00:07] <wgrant> nealmcb: The link will also appear on the bug page.
[00:08] <wgrant> --fixes shouldn't close the bug, because the branch might not be merged into trunk yet.
[00:08] <nealmcb> wgrant: ah - yes indeed - interesting
[00:08] <RAOF> Although there's discussion about making that happen when it _is_ merged to trunk.
[00:09] <wgrant> RAOF: Indeed, that would be good.
[00:09] <nealmcb> I wish the doc was clearer about all that. and I did see the conversation https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/120050
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> I disagree.
[00:09] <wgrant> Merging stuff is changing, so it's not unthinkable.
[00:09] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: On which point?
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> It shouldn't get marked fixed until it's in the archive.
[00:09] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: I think we're talking about upstream tasks.
[00:09] <RAOF> ScottK-laptop: I think we're talking about different things.
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[00:09] <wgrant> Distros don't have branches (yet).
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> Nevermind then.
[00:10] <RAOF> And when distros _have_ branches, then I'd suggest that "fix committed" is a worthwhile status for "fix in trunk, but not yet in archive" :)
[00:10] <wgrant> But actually, you have a point - when something is merged to trunk, it should be marked Fix Committed, not Fix Released.
[00:11] <RAOF> I obviously missed the start of this conversation.  I thought that was the expected status!
[00:11] <wgrant> I guess I was thinking like changelog-closes-bugs.
[00:11] <ScottK-laptop> Which is fine for after it's actually released somewhere.
[00:11] <nealmcb> it offers fix-available for trunk now
[00:12] <nealmcb> for non-ubuntu projects (which is where I started this conversation)
[00:13] <cosmodad> hi all. I'm doing my first backport since I've upgraded to hardy, when when I do a dpkg --compare-versions of 1.2ubuntu3~hardy1 against 1.2ubuntu3, first isn't anymore greater-or-equal than latter. Has something changed on the version policy?
[00:13] <cosmodad> s/when/but/
[00:14] <wgrant> cosmodad: ~ is explicitly less than nothing.
[00:14] <RAOF> cosmodad: That's the expected behaviour; ~ always sorts after everything else
[00:14] <NCommander> cosmodad, that's be design
[00:15] <cosmodad> wow. :)
[00:15] <cosmodad> hmm I could swear this has worked before.
[00:15] <wgrant> Not a chance.
[00:15] <NCommander> Backports, and SRUs require the ~ to make sure upgrades work sanely
[00:15] <wgrant> NCommander: Not SRUs.
[00:16] <NCommander> Oh right
[00:16] <NCommander> SRU's use X.1
[00:16] <NCommander> ANd so forth
[00:16] <wgrant> No, that's -security.
[00:16] <cosmodad> ok so I get this error: "ifupdown depends on netbase (>= 4.30ubuntu2); however: Version of netbase on system is 4.30ubuntu2~hardy1." How'd I resolve it properly?
[00:16] <wgrant> SRUs use whatever the uploader wants, which is bad.
[00:16] <wgrant> cosmodad: Find the ifupdown dep.
[00:16] <nealmcb> hmm - but just clicking on "fix available" on one of those pages and hitting "update" doesn't do anything.  and putting a comment in the box adds a comment but doesn't change the status
[00:16] <wgrant> Er, Fix.
[00:16] <NCommander> wgrant, wait .... seriously? I thought SRU was standardized on the version it used
[00:17] <NCommander> wgrant, and security isn't always standardized. There are some oddball exceptions
[00:17] <wgrant> NCommander: No - that would make sense.
[00:17] <directhex> yay, NCommander is here
[00:17] <cosmodad> wgrant: well I backported netbase myself, so what do I need to fix? how to version the package?
[00:17]  * NCommander notes that backporting a base package like netbase is a bad idea
[00:17] <wgrant> NCommander: Security is always X.1, unless the same version is in different distroseries, in which case it's X.Y.MM.Z
[00:17] <wgrant> (Y.MM being the distroseries version number)
[00:17] <NCommander> wgrant, clamav using backport versioning
[00:18] <NCommander> wgrant, mostly because that's what clamav uses for security
[00:18] <NCommander> or something to that effect
[00:18]  * NCommander notes clamav sucks but yeah
[00:18] <cosmodad> NCommander: I know, but it's just one debian revision number which I require.
[00:18] <NCommander> cosmodad, your asking to break your system
[00:19] <NCommander> anyway, to resolve your issue
[00:19] <NCommander> You must backport every rdepend that has binary:Version depends
[00:20] <NCommander> (beside the obvious chance of regressions, this is why we try to avoid backporting packages with rdepends out the wazoo)
[00:23] <wgrant> NCommander: True, ClamAV is a very special case.
[00:23] <wgrant> Like Firefox.
[00:24] <cosmodad> NCommander: I backported both ifupdown and netbase. They depend on each other, and no other rdepend is affected as the other's rdepends are ok with respect to version numbers.
[00:24] <cosmodad> NCommander: so I don't see what I'm missing.
[00:25] <NCommander> cosmodad, you need to edit the control files to also make sure all the version numbers match
[00:25] <NCommander> I emphasize again that this is a horribly stupid idea if you care about your computer
[00:26] <cosmodad> NCommander: on numerous backports I've done before, I never touched the version fields of debian/control. How come it is required now?
[00:26] <cosmodad> is it because of the circular dependency?
[00:27] <NCommander> Because there are likely hardcoded version numbers for a reason
[00:27] <cosmodad> hard-coded in control you mean?
[00:27] <NCommander> yeah
[00:27] <NCommander> I'm going to be blunt. Unless you explain why you need netbase on hardy and can't upgrade to intrepid, I don't think I can help you anymore; what your trying to do is absolutely crazy.
[00:28] <cosmodad> NCommander: intrepid is still beta, and the versions of ifupdown and netbase I require fix a bug that makes my wifi work when starting up my machine and possibly also when I recover from STR/D.
[00:29] <cosmodad> NCommander: I'll reconsider doing what I do if you'd be so kind and re-explain to me why this is so crazy.
[00:29] <cosmodad> I still don't see the point as this is just a minor change.
[00:29]  * NCommander bashes his head into a wall a few times
[00:31] <cosmodad> just for the sake of knowledge, please explain.
[00:31] <NCommander> netbase controls ipup/ipdown/etc. Looking at the changelog, those commands had some internal changes to the way they handle networking, and in addition, should there be a incompability, you are promised to break your machine
[00:32] <NCommander> If you break your machine
[00:32] <NCommander> No one will be able to help you, and you will be SOL
[00:34] <cosmodad> I see. And why couldn't a simple reinstall of the old versions fix such a problem?
[00:36] <nealmcb> wgrant: I'm also surprised that although launchpad updates the bug page about the fix in the branch, it doesn't send mail about that.  Anyway, this discussion should go on in #launchpad, but I just had wanted to track down those situations in ubuntu where this stuff does work, based on queries raised in #launchpad.  thanks, all!
[00:37] <wgrant> nealmcb: Hmmm, that lack of mail sounds like a bug.
[00:39] <zul> geser: yes I can do it tomorrow
[00:41] <directhex> what am i doing wrong if i get "dh_installchangelogs: I have no package to build"
[00:43] <RAOF> directhex: Trying to build arch-all packages on !i386?
[00:44] <directhex> RAOF, isn't that an ubuntu issue, not one you meet when using dpkg-buildpackage ?
[00:45] <RAOF> Possibly.  Although you could get it by running a build with the smart arch-all flag (-a ?) locally, I think.
[00:52] <directhex> it's arch:any
[00:52] <directhex> but now you mention it, the -dev package ought to be all
[00:59] <directhex> RAOF, somehow you're right - the arch:all package builds fine, the arch-any packages are ignored
[00:59] <nealmcb> wgrant: I added comment about lack of --fixes mail to that bug I noted before.  thanks again
[01:03] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Clamav had backports revision numbers in -updates and -security because it lived in backports for a while and then got copied over once it was well tested.
[01:04] <NCommander> ScottK, sounds like loads of fun ;-)
[01:04] <ScottK-laptop> It was.
[01:05] <ScottK-laptop> OTOH, getting the same clamav version in 4 releases with all the rdepends working was kind of my thesis project for my core-dev application.
[01:06] <ScottK-laptop> Just to pick one particularly 'fun' example, if you look at avscan in Dapper you'll find the -updates version is the Dapper Debian packaging, the Feisty base package, and one file grabbed from the Hardy version.
[01:07] <NCommander> o_o;
[01:08] <NCommander> ScottK, you need to look at the subversion backport
[01:08] <NCommander> It got tested
[01:09] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.  I like sticking with openssl.
[01:09] <ScottK-laptop> Since that's what Hardy already does.
[01:09] <ScottK-laptop> How do you feel about that?
[01:10] <NCommander> Works for me since its the path of least resistance so to speak
[01:10] <NCommander> ScottK, it also lets me backport 1.5.2 once I find some piece of mind.
[01:10] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Is there a debdiff for that in the bug?
[01:10] <NCommander> ScottK, should be
[01:11] <ScottK-laptop> K.  What's the bug number again?
[01:11] <NCommander> ScottK, also look at this one https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/276016
[01:12] <NCommander> Hrm
[01:12] <ScottK-laptop> We aren't ready on that one yet.  We need work on the rdepends.
[01:12] <ScottK-laptop> Need to figure out what to do about avscan.
[01:12] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/265065
[01:14] <NCommander> ScottK, also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/243583
[01:15] <NCommander> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/241560
[01:15] <NCommander> :-)
[01:16] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I've stared at that one a bit, but not with enough alcohol in my bloodstream to actually come op with a solution (243583)
[01:16] <NCommander> I posted a solution
[01:16] <NCommander> A backport of webkit fixes it
[01:17] <NCommander> or at least it did
[01:17] <NCommander> THat being said, libqtwebkit was removed from intrepid -_-;
[01:18] <NCommander> It's qt4-webkit now
[01:18] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  You don't want libqtwebkit
[01:18]  * ScottK-laptop goes to help the 5 year old clean the kitchen
[01:20] <NCommander> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/257211 also
[01:25] <NCommander> ScottK, also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/260998
[01:41] <csilk> What exactly is a lintian out fo date standards warning?
[01:42] <wgrant> csilk: A warning from lintian that the package asserts compliance to an old Standards-Version.
[01:42] <csilk> How can I rectify this?
[01:42] <ScottK-laptop> Generally you don't.
[01:43] <wgrant> csilk: Ensure that the package complies with the newest version of Debian policy, and update the version number in debian/control.
[01:43] <ScottK-laptop> wgrant: Unless we're getting the package from Debian, then you don't
[01:44] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: Good point. But I would have thought it should be well known that you only make minimal changes in Debian-derived packages.
[01:44] <csilk> wgrant, as far as I'm aware the package meets the latest debian policy. I'll just ammend the Standards-version: fiel din control, i assume that iwll remove the warning
[01:44] <wgrant> csilk: As ScottK says, you would only do that if it was not in Debian.
[01:44] <ScottK-laptop> wgrant: Right, well Ubuntu Policy specifically says not to change it now.
[01:45] <wgrant> And you can't say "as far as I'm aware"; you need to check.
[01:45] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: Oh, good.
[01:47] <emh> what is the difference between Depends and PreDepends in a ubuntu package?
[01:48] <ScottK-laptop> Same as in Debian.
 csilk: As ScottK says, you would only do that if it was not in Debian.
[01:48] <csilk> wgrant,  it's not in debian
[01:49] <wgrant> csilk: Ah, OK. Probably best to only make minimal changes at this point in the cycle, however.
[01:49] <csilk> fyi, this is the first package I've ever done in preperation for revu
[01:50] <wgrant> How did you get the old standards-version in the first place if it's a new package?
[01:50] <csilk> I have no idea, That's what dhmake did for me
[01:55] <csilk> wgrant,  any idea why dh_make would do that?
[01:56] <wgrant> csilk: Because it's old, probably.
[01:57] <csilk> wgrant,  the version of dh_make I'm using is the latest availabel via apt-get install
[01:57] <csilk> *available
[01:57] <csilk> unless of course that is a minor version out of date
[01:57] <csilk> either way, i changed it to the latest version considering this is a new package
[01:58] <ScottK-laptop> Well if you're using the Hardy version you're getting what was current when Hardy was released.
[02:00] <csilk> I'll be testing this in a chroot intrepid
[02:03] <csilk> Brilliant, lintain returns no errors and no warnings after I fixed the distclean option :D
[02:03] <csilk> *lintian
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> csilk: Look in hardy-backports for a newer version.
[02:06] <csilk> will do
[02:18] <ryanakca> monopd suggests a package not included in Intrepid (atlantik)... who would I forward a debdiff to to have it uploaded?
[02:20] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: atlantik was part of kdegames in KDE3, but not ported to KDE4.
[02:20] <ScottK-laptop> So it's gone.
[02:20] <ryanakca> ScottK-laptop: no, to have the suggests removed?
[02:20] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[02:21] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: I'll take care of it.
[02:21] <ryanakca> ScottK-laptop: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/monopd_0.9.3-4ubuntu1.debdiff
[02:23] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: You forgot the maintainer change.  I got it.
[02:24] <ryanakca> ScottK-laptop: splendid, thanks :)
[02:25] <NCommander> hey ScottK
[02:27] <ScottK-laptop> Heya NCommander.
[02:27] <ScottK-laptop> Subversion is still building.
[02:27] <NCommander> \o\
[02:27] <NCommander> There were a bunch of other backports I asked you to look at ;-)
[02:28] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  Subversion was the one I agreed to look at.
[02:29] <NCommander> -_-;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
[02:29] <ScottK-laptop> I'll do the qt webkit one too.  What's the bug number?
[02:29] <NCommander> ScottK, sudo look at backports
[02:29] <NCommander> :-)
[02:29]  * ScottK-laptop is on break.  jdong is Mr. Backports this fall.
[02:29] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, jdong hasn't been active it seems
[02:30] <NCommander> ScottK, there a lot that have no need for uploads, just need an ACK
[02:30] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/243583
[02:30]  * ScottK-laptop smacks jdong in the head to get his attention.
[02:31] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  I'd really rather he did those.
[02:31] <NCommander> Some of them are almost a month old
[02:31] <NCommander> And since I'm not a backporter, I can't actually approve them -_-;
[02:32] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: What exactly am I approving on that one?
[02:32] <nxvl> nellery: hi!
[02:33] <NCommander> the webkit backport, but I'm still not 100% its the right fix, I wanted someone else to perform a sanity check on it to make sure I didn't misanything
[02:33] <ScottK-laptop> I don't have the spare cycles to really consider it, nor do I have a hardy machine to test it on.
[02:34] <NCommander> I'll reconfirmed that backporting webkit makes things installable, but webkit has a rather nasty set of rdepends
[02:34] <NCommander> It might break things worse
[02:34] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[02:35] <NCommander> *reconfirm
[02:35] <ScottK-laptop> Which would have to be tested
[02:35] <NCommander> right
[02:36] <NCommander> But the broken dev package also breaks loads of things
[02:36] <NCommander> (Qt's development headers are uninstallable ATM)
[02:37] <ScottK-laptop> Right and in Kubuntu webkit wasn't really used for anything in Hardy, so it's safe.  I'm worried about Gnome though.
[02:37] <NCommander> some of would consider a broken GNOME a feature ;-)
[02:37]  * NCommander runs
[02:38] <NCommander> We could probably hack the **** out of libqtwebkit to work, but thats also asking for a nice headache when upgrade time comes
[02:39] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.
[02:40] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Wouldn't adding a conflicts/replaces in libqt4-dev on libqtwebkit-dev solve it?
[02:40] <NCommander> Hrm ... maybe
[02:40] <ScottK-laptop> We probably want that for upgrades anyway in Intrepid
[02:40] <NCommander> As far as installability goes
[02:41] <ScottK-laptop> I think the issue is that the QT webkit stuff got folded into the main QT4 packages and not split out.
[02:41] <NCommander> Maybe we should simply backport the current Qt package, and then leave a virtual libqtwebkit one in its place
[02:41] <NCommander> Probably less likely to hose things then mucking around new Qt + old webkit
[02:43] <ScottK-laptop> I don't think we want to take the hardy-backports QT4 from 4.4.0 to 4.4.3
[02:43] <NCommander> Well, wasn't upgrading Qt in the first place what broke everything so miserably?
[02:45] <ScottK-laptop> To 4.4.0.  Let's not build on the problem.
[02:45] <NCommander> Point taken
[02:45] <NCommander> I think the problem is the new Qt has the development headers of libqtwebkit
[02:45] <ScottK-laptop> 4.4.3 has the conflicts already, so I'll just add it to the hardy-backports one.
[02:45] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[02:45] <NCommander> We still have the problem that anything that depends on lib-qtwebkit will go boom
[02:46] <ScottK-laptop> So it has to conflict/replace it.
[02:46] <NCommander> We need a virtual package so we don't break anything that depends on libqtwebkit-dev
[02:46] <ScottK-laptop> Does anything?
[02:46] <ScottK-laptop> IIRC it was pretty much a late afterthought that was almost immediately regretted.
[02:46] <NCommander> Checking
[02:47] <NCommander> what was
[02:47] <NCommander> libqtwebkit-dev?
[02:47] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[02:47] <ScottK-laptop> And libqtwebkit
[02:47] <NCommander> (I know we have two backports stalled because its uninstallable)
[02:47] <NCommander> Well, libqtwebkit is file
[02:47] <NCommander> *fine
[02:48] <NCommander> If we scratch the source package via a removal, the dev package would disappear, but NBS would prevent the library from going poof
[02:48]  * NCommander feels his hack meter go off
[02:49] <NCommander> apt-cache rdepends says that only libqt has a depends on libqtwebkit
[02:49] <ScottK-laptop> Which isn't a problem if you have the new QT4.
[02:50] <NCommander> so its just a matter of turning libqtwebkit into a transitional package so anything that build-deps on it still works sanely if you have backports enabled
[02:50] <ScottK-laptop> No NBS because we aren't touching the release pocket.  Only backports.
[02:50] <ScottK-laptop> The we just add provides to the mix then.
[02:50] <ScottK-laptop> The/Then
[02:51] <NCommander> We have a versioned depends
[02:51] <NCommander> a provides won't do the trick
[02:51] <ScottK-laptop> Where?
[02:52] <ScottK-laptop> Back in 5
[02:53] <jdong> sigh, jdong is being raped by Ron Rivest's homework assignment this weekend; please give me another 5 hours or so to be alive.
[02:53] <jdong> (yes that's the R in RSA)
[02:55] <csilk> Would i tbe benefical to update my version of pbuilder if building a package fro intrepid?
[02:55] <csilk> *for
[02:57] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  That's also in hardy-backports
[02:58] <csilk> i'd of thought so, although i cant find it in hardy backports
[02:58] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  Actually it's the new debchroot that you want.
[02:58] <ScottK-laptop> Not pbuilder
[02:59] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Where's this versioned depends?
[02:59] <NCommander> I thought libqt-dev has a versioned depends on libqtwebkit-dev
[02:59] <NCommander> So I guess the problem is mute now that I thought about it
[02:59] <ScottK-laptop> mute/moot, but yes.
[03:00] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Why don't you whip me up a debdiff for that then?
[03:00] <csilk> debchroot?
[03:01] <ScottK-laptop> That (or something very close to that) is what pbuilder uses to make the chroot it builds inside of.
[03:02] <csilk> rite, so I'd need to update my version of that package
[03:03] <csilk> i cant find anything even similar to it in hardy-backports
[03:07] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Didn't we want to add something openssl'ish to the build-dep for subversion?
[03:09] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, thats pulled in via the libneon build dep
[03:09] <ScottK-laptop> So it's OK I don't see openssl pulled in as a dep to any binary?
[03:10] <NCommander> Yeah, openssl -> libneon -> subversion
[03:10] <NCommander> SOmeone already confirmed the debdiff works
[03:10] <NCommander> (since I uploaded it to the PPA
[03:11] <ScottK> OK
[03:12] <ScottK> NCommander: Subversion uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[03:13] <cody-somerville> NCommander, don't be late
[03:14] <NCommander> On what?
[03:14] <NCommander> ^- cody-somerville
[03:18] <NCommander> cody-somerville, ?
[03:36] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Now he's got you worried.  That's a success for a manager.
[03:38] <NCommander> ScottK, not when his coworkers loose their mind and are committed
[03:38] <NCommander> ;-)
[03:38]  * NCommander bzr ci's himself
[03:42] <RickZilla> Ok, I'm officially in the market for a sound card that will work on my Pentium 4 ubuntu machine...taking any and all recommendations! Thanks for your help.
[03:42] <cody-somerville> RickZilla, I recommend anything off the shelve.
[03:44] <RickZilla> cody-somerville:  I spent about 6 hours trying to troubleshoot why I didn't have sound on my Creative Soundblaster card on my Dell machine...I'm just looking to see what other lInux users are having success with
[03:45] <cody-somerville> The 90's called, they want their soundcard back.
[03:47] <RickZilla> :-)
[03:47] <RickZilla> The machine itself is about 6 years old, so you're not too far off the mark.
[04:53] <csilk> If theres a package for an app already made but isn't available in the repo what policy dictates how it could make it's way to the repo, could i just check it's conformity then upload to revu or what?
[04:55] <ScottK> Yes, but with the understanding that we aren't taking new packages for Intrepid any more.
[04:56] <csilk> Yeah I know, I'd be waiting till after the release of intrepid of course
[05:05] <alteregoa> how can i manual select the gateway?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> Someone should package up the hardy wallpapers, and put them into intrepid.
[09:33] <Pupeno1> Hello.
[09:34] <Pupeno1> How do I get the version of the package inside rules?
[10:58] <sebner> asac aka nm-rocker \o/ ^^
[12:27] <james_w> directhex: hi, I'd like your opinion on a bug please
[12:27] <james_w> bug 211347
[12:27] <james_w> directhex: how hard would it be to make the list dynamic?
[12:33] <directhex> dynamic IWW?
[12:35] <directhex> oh, you mean stop forcing a size on the array, so it doesn't die when it finds too many foo or bar controllers?
[12:38] <directhex> oh lord, what dumb code.
[12:39] <directhex> james_w, busy with other tasks right now, but System.Collections.ArrayList is a dynamic-length array you can just add items to. hard-coded array sizes = moronic in extremis
[12:42] <directhex> OR, if you're looking for the "better" solution, look towards compiling the app against .net 2.0 using gmcs instead of 1.0 (we're dropping support for 1.0 apps in jaunty) - which adds generics, and you can use a string list generic
[12:44] <StevenK> directhex: C has hard coded array sizes?
[12:45] <sebner> StevenK: C#? yes
[12:45] <StevenK> No, C
[12:45] <directhex> StevenK, it's C# though. and it has a hard-coded size if you explicitly create a new array with 5 null objects in it
[12:46] <directhex> StevenK, using a smart language then chopping off a leg is dumb
[12:47] <StevenK> directhex: You may want a hard limit, though. It depends on the situation.
[12:49] <directhex> not in this one. this is a fairly old pc and exceeds some of this app's hard-coded limits by more than 2x
[12:49] <directhex> generally speaking, when is lspci output gonna need hard-coded limits?
[12:51] <StevenK> I dunno. The last program I wrote that touched lspci was written in Perl :-)
[12:54] <directhex> StevenK, it's pretty obvious the guy doesn't underdtand what he's doing anyway - to make a fixed size array, use String[n] not String[]={null,null,null,...,null}
[13:10] <james_w> thanks directhex
[13:16] <slytherin> geser: can you please ack bug #277088
[14:08]  * marnanel has a cdbs question.  I am packaging a GNOME application.  I added "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk" to debian/rules.  When it runs it attempts to run "configure" (which doesn't exist) rather than "autogen.sh".  I should package it in the post-autogen.sh'd state?
[14:08] <marnanel> s/runs/installs/ (and fails, obviously)
[14:12] <azeem> marnanel: yeah, or override the configure target
[14:13] <azeem> marnanel: but the former is probably better, unless this is a badly made upstream tarball you don't want to modify further
[14:13] <marnanel> azeem: okay, thanks.  just wanted to check before I did anything crazy.
[14:14] <azeem> marnanel: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml has some nice examples, but there is also a lot of crack in there
[14:14] <marnanel> thanks!
[14:14]  * marnanel is amused that cdbs is supposed to make everything easier and people immediately start talking about the crack in it :)
[14:15] <azeem> well, some intermediate maintainers of it added a lot of stuff which did crazy automatic stuff most people frowned upon
[14:15] <azeem> it got a pretty bad reputation in the Debian community by that time
[14:17] <azeem> also, the most important variable, DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS is only explained halfway through that document, after "automatic handling of debian/control" etc.
[14:23] <tobi> does "Please subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to any bugs for which you wish to request sponsorship." mean I shall assign the bug via launchpad to ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[14:23] <slytherin> tobi: which bug?
[14:25] <tobi> it's more a general question about the sponsoring process, the sentence above is from the ubuntu sponsor team page
[14:25] <slytherin> tobi: by the way, subscribe means subscribe, not assign
[15:20] <marnanel> Is it out of place to ask about packaging problems for PPA things?
[15:21] <james_w> marnanel: hey, if it's about the workings of PPAs the #launchpad is better, but for packaging things you can ask here
[15:22] <marnanel> Okay... I packaged something and it appears to have built, and I added my PPA to sources.list and did an update, and yet apt-cache search can't find it.  Is that anything obvious from the description?
[15:22] <marnanel> s/built/built properly/
[15:23] <james_w> marnanel: once it's built it will take a few minutes to be published, so if you were too quick you may have missed it
[15:24] <marnanel> Okay, thanks
[15:25] <james_w> marnanel: it's published now, so another update might work
[15:26] <marnanel> cheers
[15:26] <marnanel> YAY
[15:26] <marnanel> it's there
[15:26] <marnanel> thank you
[15:27] <james_w> no problem
[15:28] <directhex> directhex@mortos:/tmp/moon$ dpkg -l \*moon\* | grep ^ii
[15:28] <directhex> ii  libmoon-dev                                0.8.1+dfsg-1                                               open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight
[15:28] <directhex> ii  libmoon0                                   0.8.1+dfsg-1                                               open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight
[15:28] <directhex> ii  moonlight-plugin-core                      0.8.1+dfsg-1                                               open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight
[15:28] <directhex> ii  moonlight-plugin-mozilla                   0.8.1+dfsg-1                                               open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight
[15:40] <eagles051387> !pastebin | directhex
[15:42] <sebner> directhex: ahahaha
[15:42] <directhex> sebner, sat in SVN, awaiting tagging & uploading ;)
[15:43] <sebner> directhex: that's great but don't ignore the warning ^^
[15:46] <sebner> directhex: but why is it called moon?
[15:46] <directhex> sebner, dunno. blame upstream. the tarballs's called moon, and there's no moon source package, so...
[15:46]  * directhex moons sebner
[15:46] <sebner> rofl
[15:46] <sebner> crazy
[15:48] <directhex> sebner, i'm sure there'll be petitions to remove it from the archive once it goes in, but still
[15:48] <sebner> directhex: really? I always thought people trust debian guys with license things and so on
[15:49] <directhex> sebner, TEH PATENTZ!
[15:49] <directhex> sebner, (ignoring the usual details)
[15:49] <directhex> sebner, funny thing is, moonlight DOES contain code (c) microsoft.
[15:49] <directhex> sebner, that code is licensed under Ms-PL
[15:50] <directhex> sebner, Ms-PL is a GPL3-compatible license containing a full patent grant
[15:52] <sebner> directhex: I know. funny :) ... Please remove moon from Debian Unstable. Rationale: PATENTZ :P
[15:52] <directhex> sebner, did you read http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/51/ ? ^_^
[15:53] <sebner> directhex: of course. I told you that that's  a great post :P
[15:54] <directhex> sebner, apologies, i have memory issues so i don't remember who has & hasn't seen something
[15:55] <sebner> directhex: np. :)
[15:55] <sebner> directhex: btw, I'm wondering if you also hack a little bit on smuxi!?
[16:02] <directhex> sebner, i have little time for app development
[16:03] <sebner> directhex: what a pitty, seems you have a good knowledge of C# :)
[16:03] <directhex> sebner, only what i've picked up, and applied from my java-based undergrad degree
[16:04] <sebner> directhex: oh my god. the j word xD
[16:04] <eagles051387> directhex: can you explain to me what the purpose of silverlight is. and 2ndly my degree is also java based lol
[16:04] <sebner> eagles051387: to kill flash :P
[16:05] <eagles051387> silverlight = flash equivalent
[16:05] <directhex> eagles051387, silverlight is largely a flash competititor. there are other distinctions, but the easiest description is "microsoft's version of flash"
[16:06] <directhex> iirc all the streaming access to the olympics in the US was done via silverlight
[16:06] <eagles051387> wow
[16:06] <eagles051387> someone needs to dev a linux based flash player to compete with adobe flash and silverlight
[16:07] <directhex> well, gnash is a cross-platform reverse-engineered flash player
[16:08] <eagles051387> the problem with that is it doesnt work in firefox
[16:08] <directhex> moonlight is a cross-platform implementation of silverlight
[16:08] <eagles051387> i had it and with ff3 it never used to work for me
[16:08] <eagles051387> ahhh gotcha that would be sweet to have in repos
[16:08] <sebner> eagles051387: it will, with jaunty ;)
[16:08] <eagles051387> ?
[16:08] <eagles051387> jaunty is next aprils release
[16:09] <directhex> right.
[16:09] <eagles051387> already have the name for it
[16:09] <directhex> sebner, depending on how meebey feels, i might publish a moon package into my mono repo today
[16:09] <directhex> sebner, i want approval on the package as-is first
[16:09] <eagles051387> well when i get settled down with my lecture schedule im going to start helping pkg stuff and bug fix if i can
[16:10] <sebner> directhex: nice, I think I have moonlight through a firefox xpi installed but never used it so far
[16:10] <directhex> eagles051387, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/moonlight.png is a couple of embedded silverlight objects in a web page, running via moonlight
[16:11] <eagles051387> nice
[16:12] <eagles051387> !info moonlight
[17:11] <marnanel> I was asked to put up a trunk build of metacity in my PPA.  But of course that replaces metacity, metacity-common, etc.  I put "Replaces:" those in the debian/control file, but it doesn't replace them, and the line doesn't show in apt-cache show.
[17:12]  * marnanel asked in #launchpad and they sent me right back here :)
[17:12] <azeem> marnanel: "Replaces" simply indicates that this package overwrites files from the package it replaces
[17:12] <azeem> you need more magic to have APT actually install that package in favour of the other
[17:13] <azeem> marnanel: why did you rename the package, instead of just bumping the version?
[17:13] <azeem> it seems both are not parallel-installable anyway
[17:15] <marnanel> hm.  a) I knew they weren't parallel-installable: I wouldn't have expected to replace one with the other if they were, unless I'm confused.  b) all the other nightly trunk packages I've seen used different names.  I worried I'd tread on the real maintainer's toes
[17:15] <azeem> hrm, ok
[17:15] <azeem> marnanel: what's an example for another nightly trunk, or are those local packages?
[17:16] <marnanel> azeem: avant-window-navigator has awn-manager-trunk, python-awn-trunk, awn-extras-applets-trunk, and some others
[17:18] <gilir> marnanel: but we use Replaces: and Conflicts: field :)
[17:19] <azeem> marnanel: heh, and google is full of installation dependency issues with those :)
[17:21] <marnanel> Okay, so, what should I do instead?  "metacity"?  wouldn't that annoy the real Ubuntu maintainers for me to start creating new versions?
[17:24] <azeem> good question, depends on how popular those will be I guess
[17:32]  * marnanel nods, but it's hard to tell that before anyone's used them. :)
[17:32] <IntuitiveNipple> "Replaces" and "Conflicts" ought to cause dpkg to remove the previous package, according to Debian policy
[17:40] <Elbrus> is the PPA not just meant for people that want something special? I guess you should not worry too much about the real maintainer, and just make sure that your PPA package uses an appropriate version number: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#versioning
[17:40] <Elbrus> or don't I understand the problem?
[17:42] <Elbrus> marnanel: ^
[17:44] <marnanel> Elbrus: oh, pretty much for people who want bleeding-edge stuff.  I'm planning to upload it every night, though, and link to it from the Metacity page
[17:44] <marnanel> (the upstream page)
[17:46] <Elbrus> marnanel: this means your upstream? I guess you have a good relation with your maintainer?
[17:47] <Elbrus> marnanel: I guess you won't have to worry about the Ubuntu package if your targetting people that want the cutting edge. They should know that includes risks and fixing is easy: removing the PPA repository from sources.list or sources.list.d
[17:49] <Elbrus> marnanel: and of course fixing the version
[17:50] <IntuitiveNipple> For my 'bleeding edge' PPA packages I just bump the version number, add ~ppaXh (X ==release number, h == hardy), and modify the control Maintainer: field to be me.
[18:03] <marnanel> Okay-- thanks
[18:18] <marnanel> Elbrus: I don't really have a good relationship with my maintainer, or any really.
[18:18]  * marnanel is the (primary) upstream maintainer, yes
[18:18]  * marnanel doesn't really talk to the Ubuntu maintainer much, which is a shame
[18:21] <Elbrus> marnanel: I would say that that is not good practise of your maintainer. Maybe initiate some communication? I think you could both benefit (and thus the whole community).
[18:40] <csilk> oin #ubuntu-bugs
[18:40] <marnanel> Elbrus: I agree, now you mention it.  I'll email them.  Thanks.
[18:40] <csilk> join #ubuntu-bugs
[18:40] <csilk> hmm, slash button seem a little broken
[18:41] <Nafallo> /
[18:41] <Nafallo> feel free to copy one :-)
[19:09] <directhex> who feels like trying my moonlight packages for size, then?
[19:50] <marnanel> Okay, I've changed the name to "metacity", but now I can't see it at all after updating.  Did I accidentally give it a version number that's less than the hardy one?  (Hardy is "1:2.22.0-0ubuntu4", mine is "ppa~20081005a"-- "p" is after "1", isn't it?)
[19:51] <directhex> i don't know if apt understands the idea of purely alphabetical package numbers
[19:52] <stgraber> marnanel: you should try with: 2.22.0-0ubuntu5~20081005a~ppa1
[19:52] <stgraber> this one will be just higher enough to make it upgrade
[20:01] <directhex> 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu4+20081005a~ppa1
[20:01] <directhex> if it's not based on 2.22.0-0ubuntu5, don't number it as 2.22.0-0ubuntu5
[20:14] <marnanel> But it's not based on 2.22
[20:15] <azeem> marnanel: what about 1:2.23.0~20081005-0ubuntu1~ppa1 or something
[20:18] <directhex> yes!
[20:19] <marnanel> It's actually the 2.25 branch, but sure. 1:2.25.0~20081005-0ubuntu1~ppa1, then?
[20:19] <azeem> eh, right
[20:19] <azeem> sure
[20:19] <marnanel> (er, trunk isn't a branch, obviously, but you see what I mean)
[20:20] <azeem> marnanel: yeah, assuming that the next Ubuntu upload will be 2.25.0-something
[20:20] <azeem> which is a pretty good guess
[20:20] <azeem> marnanel: btw, you can run "dpkg --compare-version 1:2.25.0-0ubuntu1 gt 1:2.25.0~20081005-0ubuntu1~ppa1"
[20:20] <azeem> and check the return value
[20:33] <marnanel> azeem: thanks
[20:47] <Ayabara> Hi. I asked in #ubuntu+1 about getting a newer version of digikam-kde4 in the intrepid repos, and was directed here. Beta1 is in the repos today, but Beta4 was released a couple of days ago.
[20:47] <devfil> Ayabara: I'm working on it
[20:49] <Ayabara> devfil, great :)
[20:50] <Turl> any possibility to include a main package on universe?
[20:51] <Turl> I'd really like to see php5-gtk2 included on ubuntu, nevermind if it's in universe
[20:52] <RainCT> Turl: not for Intrepid
[20:52] <Turl> intrepid+1 ?
[20:53] <RainCT> Turl: but once Jaunty (intrepid+1) development starts, yes, it can enter universe if someone (you? :)) packages it
[20:53] <Turl> really it should be in main (as all other php parts) but I nevermind it being included in universe
[20:54] <Turl> no, I can't package :p It's too complicated. I just manage with debianPackageMaker, and that's the higher I could get xD
[21:34] <eagles051387> night
[21:57] <jdong> was it nixternal yesterday who was asking how to config touchpad settings now that there's no xorg.conf?
[21:57] <jdong> because I have the same question.
[23:11] <pochu> jdong: I think you can still configure xorg.conf. It's not required, but if you have one, it will be read
[23:14] <wgrant> jdong: You should use either System->Preferences->Mouse->Touchpad or an fdi file, depending on the settings you want... I'll pull up the docs in a sec.
[23:16] <wgrant> jdong: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config, the "Input Configuration" section.
[23:16] <wgrant> Specifically the Synaptics part of "Input Configuration with HAL"
[23:17] <wgrant> jdong: But if you tell me which settings you need, I might be able to expose them in the GUI later this week...
[23:25] <jdong> wgrant: I need two finger scrolling config, and the ability to disable two finger tapping middle-click
[23:26]  * NCommander pokes jdong
[23:26] <NCommander> jdong, backports await your ACK
[23:27] <wgrant> jdong: Two finger scrolling I've already implemented a UI for, but different tapping configs I haven't done... I might do that this afternoon.
[23:27] <wgrant> jdong: You can set those easily within X using xinput, or use an fdi file.
[23:28] <directhex> the mighty NCommander is here!
[23:28] <jdong> wgrant: will do
[23:28] <NCommander> directhex, do you want SSH access to one of my PPC boxes?
[23:28] <NCommander> Or do you want me to mass-build a set of packages?
[23:28] <directhex> NCommander, that would be good
[23:28] <NCommander> Standby
[23:28]  * NCommander turns on the PPC box
[23:28] <directhex> NCommander, well, the ideal would be a buildd installation i can dput to ;)
[23:29] <NCommander> directhex, seriously?
[23:29] <NCommander> How many packages are we talking about?
[23:31] <directhex> NCommander, 11. another one soon once my sponsor OKs my latest package (moonlight browser plugin)
[23:31] <NCommander> directhex, are they all in a PPA?
[23:32] <NCommander> I can simply point buildd to work against that
[23:32] <directhex> NCommander, yes, they're all in my PPA
[23:32] <NCommander> I assume they depend on each other
[23:32]  * NCommander notes you don't make my life easy ;-)
[23:33] <NCommander> If its just 11 packages, I perfer if you just built them by hand, and not bother with buildd setup and configuration; its a pain
[23:33] <directhex> the hardy sections of https://launchpad.net/~directhex/+archive
[23:34] <NCommander> directhex, and why do you need them for PPC? (I'm just curious)
[23:34] <directhex> NCommander, i had a request for ppc support
[23:34] <NCommander> I see
[23:34] <NCommander> Ubuntu or Debian PPC?
[23:35] <directhex> NCommander, it's a fairly popular repo (about 9k users on i386 and amd64)
[23:35] <NCommander> fair enough
[23:35] <directhex> NCommander, hardy. i package for ubuntu lts
[23:35] <NCommander> I need a place to upload to
[23:35] <NCommander> My machine is on a dymanic IP
[23:35] <directhex> can bounce it through my webspace, hang on...
[23:36] <NCommander> Setup an FTP server or something that can be dputted to
[23:36] <NCommander> It needs to run apt-ftparchive or dpkg-scanpackages so I can notification of the Installed state
[23:37] <NCommander> directhex, none of these look like they have crazy build-deps, so it should just work
[23:37] <directhex> crazy, moi?
[23:37] <NCommander> MOI?
[23:37] <NCommander> Mechanism of Injury?
[23:37] <directhex> me, in french
[23:38] <NCommander> I mean I can build each package indidividually it seems
[23:40] <jdong> grumble stupid hardlocks.
[23:41] <directhex> NCommander, there's no enormous reason why you couldn't, i mean they're all top-quality packages by the experts ;). i just thought it might be a PITA to do things manually
[23:41] <directhex> then again, it's a PITA to set up a buildd. theres no winning in this life
[23:41] <directhex> perhaps if i could make qemu or pearpc work, it might be easier
[23:41] <NCommander> directhex, well, setting up a buildd is one time PITA (although you have to sign the build emails)


[13:00] <CIA-12> clock-setup: cjwatson * r231 ubuntu/ (13 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 0.112
[13:44] <CIA-12> clock-setup: cjwatson * r232 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.112ubuntu1
[14:21] <Martin__> Hi there, I am trying to preseed early_command but I just can't make it work... May someone can take a look at  http://askubuntu.com/questions/155707/set-installer-background-not-able-to-run-early-command-in-custom-preseed-file ?
[14:21] <Martin__> I seems to me early_command is never called or evaluated
[14:23] <Martin__> ubiquity	ubiquity/success_command string command_here works fine btw
[14:23] <cjwatson> I'll answer you on askubuntu
[14:24] <Martin__> thank you cjwatson !
[14:49] <Martin__> cjwatson: thanks. I have answered ....
[14:51] <cjwatson> Right, so in that case my amendment should work for you
[14:52] <Martin__> I give it a try
[14:55] <Martin__> you are right.... it works like that (as long as you don't try something with /root/tmp/ , it wont work)
[14:55] <Martin__> didn't know it was mounted to /root
[14:57] <Martin__> How I could know that ? experience ? :D
[14:59] <cjwatson> Probably
[15:00] <CIA-12> lilo-installer: cjwatson * r744 ubuntu/debian/ (74 files in 2 dirs): merge from Debian 1.37
[15:02] <cjwatson> I've documented it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation, which is not very good but is the best we have for ubiquity preseeding right now
[15:02] <Martin__> very good
[15:02] <Martin__> of course I've read the page
[15:02] <Martin__> before asking ;)
[15:03] <Martin__> thanks again
[15:03] <cjwatson> no problem
[15:04] <CIA-12> lilo-installer: cjwatson * r745 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.37ubuntu1
[15:07] <Martin__> I was surprised to find hard wallpaper paths in ubiquity-dm... I have added a suggestion at launchpad / ubiquity
[15:07] <Martin__> At least the discussion is opened.
[15:08] <CIA-12> anna: cjwatson * r837 ubuntu/ (75 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.42
[15:09] <CIA-12> anna: cjwatson * r838 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.42ubuntu1
[16:05] <xnox> are we defaulting to widescreen bootlogos now? AWESOME =)
[16:26] <xnox> bug 298509 is marked fix committed but the ubiquity branch is not linked. Bogus status update or missing bug link?
[16:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 298509 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298509
[16:27] <xnox> status update is from a brand new account on launchpad...
[16:31] <cjwatson> Those are usually misclicks in the UI
[16:31] <cjwatson> I've reverted
[16:32] <xnox> thanks


[10:29] <thrustcore> I keep running out of memory when trying `bzr update' -- can I do a partial update?
[10:45] <jelmer> thrustcore: yes, you can specify a revision to update
[10:45] <jelmer> thrustcore: though that might not help
[10:50] <thrustcore> jelmer: I tried bzr update -r100 and that failed, so I tried bzr update -r1 and that also ran out of memory :p
[10:50] <thrustcore> can I run bzr as 64 bit?
[10:50] <jelmer> thrustcore: yes
[10:52] <thrustcore> jelmer: do I have to download the 64 bit binary separately or is it somewhere in the distribution?
[10:52] <jelmer> thrustcore: bzr is a python application, so there is not really a binary as such
[10:52] <jelmer> thrustcore: are you on Windows perhaps?
[10:52] <thrustcore> yeah :(
[10:52] <jelmer> I have no idea how things are there
[10:52] <jelmer> sorry
[10:52] <thrustcore> it's cool
[10:53] <thrustcore> jelmer: any idea what I can do though, since I'm running out of memory? I need to get back on track... can't I update like half the tree or something
[10:54] <thrustcore> or is there perhaps a switch that doesn't do everything in-memory?
[11:01] <thrustcore> how do I find the location I need to "pull" from to mimic bzr update?
[11:03] <CcxCZ> pull takes changesets from one repository to another. update merges changesets and a working tree
[11:03] <CcxCZ> maybe revert would work for you?
[11:04] <thrustcore> CcxCZ: why would revert work though, I'm trying to get to the latest revision
[11:05] <CcxCZ> because it doesn't try to merge the changes in the working tree but rather overwrites them. but that's a wild guess on my side
[11:07] <thrustcore> you know what.... I seem to be running out of memory a lot slower now
[11:07] <thrustcore> I'm starting to think that there was one file >= 2GB that I was unable to merge
[11:08] <thrustcore> oh man
[11:08] <thrustcore> the file id "..." is not present in the tree
[11:08] <CcxCZ> thrustcore: installed python with bzr or separately?
[11:08] <thrustcore> CcxCZ: doesn't look like I have python in my path at least
[11:08] <thrustcore> I think I may have installed it with ninite though
[11:09] <CcxCZ> aww :-( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/331342
[11:10] <thrustcore> CcxCZ: what does that mean?
[11:10] <CcxCZ> you might be able to install 64bit version by hand though
[11:14] <CcxCZ> thrustcore: you should be able to install 64bit python, then 64bit pywin32 along with other dependencies and then bzr http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/WindowsInstall
[11:15] <CcxCZ> if you do it by hand you should have >2GiB capable version of bzr
[11:15] <thrustcore> CcxCZ: I actually figured out what the issue is, the repository was renewed without me V_V
[11:15] <thrustcore> so I'll just check it out again and wait like 40 hours :P
[13:32] <thrustcore> why does bzr take such a long time to "repack text" all the time?


[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, I know, I was just making you aware, maybe this is worth a FFe bug :)
[08:51] <LocutusOfBorg> for sure we will drop a lot of delta for 18.04
[13:10] <cajhne> Hi. So just installed 17.10
[13:11] <cajhne> There is still a long-running issue with boot time being too long with home folder encryption.
[13:12] <cajhne> The fix that works is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRBkzHbN8g
[13:12] <cajhne> recommend that fix is made the default.
[13:15] <cajhne> It's a shame to let that bug go unfixed. It makes people think Ubuntu is too slow loading, and for no reason other than it's been broken.
[13:16] <tomreyn> 17.10 is unreleased, it doesn't make (most) people think anything at this time.
[13:17] <tomreyn> youtube is not a bug tracker
[13:17] <cajhne> tomreyn: this is not a new issue. There is already a bug in the bugtracker.
[13:17] <doko> cajhne: developers aren't looking at utube videos, so please file a bug report if there is one
[13:17] <tomreyn> then you'd best reference that
[13:17] <cajhne> I'm just pointing to the problem.
[13:17] <doko> or propose a patch
[13:25] <cajhne> https://askubuntu.com/questions/905031/ubuntu-desktop-17-04-64-bit-with-encrypted-home-slow-boot
[13:26] <cajhne> there are lots of cryptsetup bugs in the tracker. I don't know which one to add information to.
[13:27] <cajhne> But the problem and fix  is very well explained in that askubuntu link (and in the youtube video, for the truly lazy)
[13:27] <cajhne> let me know if I can be of further help.
[13:28] <cajhne> I can file a new bug if that's useful, but it's not a new problem.
[13:30] <cajhne> AH, found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1670336
[13:30] <cajhne> That's the bug.
[13:32] <cajhne> Just letting you know, it's still a problem in 17.10
[13:33] <cajhne> Thanks for the work. :)
[13:57] <tomreyn> cajhne: bug 1670336 indicates that the 17.10 release team  have it on their list, with importance critical, so there's a good chance this can get fixed for 17.10
[13:57] <tomreyn> note the "Ubuntu ubuntu-17.10" milestone reference
[13:58] <cajhne> tomreyn: With the release a few weeks away, I thought it good to squeak about it.
[13:58] <cajhne> Esp because the fix seems like something easy.
[14:00] <tomreyn> if you could try and report back on the existing patch that might help
[14:01] <cajhne> tomreyn: Confirming that changing the cryptsetup line to: "cryptswap1 /swapfile /dev/urandom swap,offset=1024,cipher=aes-xts-plain64" solved the boot time."
[14:01] <cajhne> That's also worked for me.
[14:02] <tomreyn> the next step this bug needs to take is https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review
[14:02] <cajhne> tomreyn: unfortunately I'm not qualified to do code reviews.
[14:03] <tomreyn> okay, you can still subscribe to it and help testing once a test build is ready
[14:09] <cajhne> tomreyn: done
[20:37] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, sigh, the llvm-5.0 sadness is now an ubuntu only thing? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldc/1:1.4.0-1~build1
[21:10] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, http://sources.debian.net/src/llvm-toolchain-5.0/1:5.0~%2Brc2-1/lib/IR/Verifier.cpp/#L4681
[21:10] <LocutusOfBorg> somewhat now llvm is broken?


[00:18]  * scitesy is away: I'm busy
[04:16] <snap-l> Hello from 12.04
[10:19] <rick_h__> party snap-l
[10:19] <rick_h__> morning
[12:00] <snap-l> morning
[12:03] <brousch> ug
[12:06] <rick_h__> yea, with brousch
[12:06] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:06] <snap-l> Having fun yet?
[12:07] <rick_h__> party http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/new-fitbits-can-sync-with-iphones-androids-via-bluetooth-4-0/ jcastro doh isn't here
[12:12] <rick_h__> oh hmm, that's interesting http://www.amazonappstoredev.com/2012/09/amazon-maps-api.html
[12:22] <brousch> I didn't even know they had their own SDK
[12:32] <brousch> Two more interesting things http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/googles-java-translator-eases-path-ipad-iphone-apps-202377
[12:32] <rick_h__> yea, couldn't decide if that was interesting or not
[12:44] <brousch> Wow, what a confusing mess http://chicago-gtug.com/
[12:56] <snap-l> Wow. That's insane. Looks like some kind of mishmash between Google and Javadoc.
[13:00] <snap-l> BTW: FIL is doing better. He's uncomfortable, but able to walk on his leg.
[13:01] <rick_h__> snap-l: great to hear!
[13:02] <snap-l> Yeah, hoping he starts feeling a lot better soon.
[13:02] <snap-l> he's off his food, unfortunately.
[13:02] <rick_h__> 'off his food'?
[13:03] <rick_h__> like not following the prescribed diet?
[13:03] <snap-l> Just not eating like he usually does
[13:03] <snap-l> ie: ordering the menu
[13:03] <rick_h__> ah, ok gotcha
[13:04] <snap-l> It was discovered that PHP incorrectly handled certain character sequences
[13:04] <snap-l> when applying HTTP response-splitting protection. A remote attacker could
[13:04] <snap-l> create a specially-crafted URL and inject arbitrary headers.
[13:04] <snap-l> (CVE-2011-1398, CVE-2012-4388)
[13:04] <snap-l> (sigh)
[13:07] <rick_h__> there's jcastro_
[13:09] <jcastro_> hi
[13:09] <rick_h__> jcastro_: you see the new fitbit's with android support?
[13:09] <jcastro_> no
[13:09] <jcastro_> looking
[13:13] <snap-l> jcastro: Rush, tomorrow night
[13:13] <jcastro> I heard on the radio
[13:18] <snap-l> jcastro: You going?
[13:18] <jcastro> no
[13:18] <jcastro> found out too late
[13:18] <snap-l> Bummer
[13:18] <jcastro> and I poured every ounce of cash into this house
[13:23] <snap-l> jcastro: Ah, sorry.
[13:23] <jcastro> I have this tour on bluray now so it's not so bad
[13:23] <brousch> Come on. It's Rush. Sell a kidney.
[13:23] <jcastro> I lie, yes it is.
[13:24] <snap-l> This tour on Bluray? Um, how is that possible.
[13:24] <snap-l> New tour.
[13:26] <brousch> Many tours sound alike
[13:36] <jcastro> snap-l, sorry, I meant the last one we were on
[13:36] <jcastro> which had 2 new songs, but the CD wasn't out yet iirc
[13:43] <snap-l> Yeah
[14:33] <shakes808> good morning
[14:34] <krondor> morning
[14:36] <rick_h__> ugh monday how I hate thee
[14:36] <shakes808> rick_h_: ++
[14:42] <jrwren> http://linux.die.net/man/3/pcre_dfa_exec  <-- awesome, so glad this exists, now just wish more things used it.
[14:42] <jrwren> snap-l: why did you wait so long to move to 12.04 ?
[14:52] <snap-l> jrwren: a) needed a new HDD, and b) felt like an ordeal
[14:53] <snap-l> I was on 11.04, so doing a simple upgrade wasn't possible, and I wanted to skip 11.10
[15:43] <jrwren> sweet lord: http://amoffat.github.com/sh/
[15:43] <jrwren> snap-l: well awesome. welcome to the party. (12.04)
[15:44] <jrwren> snap-l: upgrades work well for me. I think my system was originally breezy and has upgraded all the way through.
[16:01] <rick_h__> http://goo.gl/isZJw
[16:02] <rick_h__> hah nosql bashing ammo ^
[16:02] <paultag> le sigh
[16:02] <paultag> people using nosql for the wrong reasons
[16:02] <rick_h__> makes my case that people just don't know their crap enough and pick up the latest trend
[16:02] <rick_h__> right
[16:03] <paultag> nosql rocks
[16:04] <rick_h__> (for a limited subset of large scale, limited scoped dataset problems)
[16:04] <paultag> (or data that you can not practically enforce a schema on)
[16:05] <jrwren> " Now my model, which I have carefully constructed so as to adhere to the Single Responsibility Principal..."  <-- someone doesn't know document databases.
[16:06] <rick_h__> ok, EVT is a great case. But even then I almost wonder if a mixed environment works best
[16:06] <jrwren> the whole point of a docdb is that you DO repeat yourself, as much as you need to.
[16:06] <rick_h__> jrwren: right
[16:16] <jrwren> anyone have any cherrypy debug tips?
[16:16] <jcastro> smoser, feel like lunch?
[16:16] <jrwren> i've got a request that never ends, and before I go instrumenting with logging, I want to see if there is anything else.
[16:16] <smoser> jcastro, no. i've not been productive enough to earn it.
[16:17] <jcastro> hah
[16:17] <jcastro> man, tough breaks
[16:17] <jcastro> you just don't eat if you don't work hard enough?
[16:18] <brousch> jrwren: Try #cherrypy on oftc. The creator is usually in there
[16:20] <smoser> jcastro are you implying your manager allows you food independent of your performance?
[16:20] <jcastro> hah
[16:22] <jrwren> http://www.daniweb.com/community-center/geeks-lounge/threads/152368/top-20-things-likely-to-be-overheard-from-a-klingon-programmer
[17:03] <jcastro> score!
[17:03] <jcastro> jill's first parking ticket in Ann Arbor!
[17:04] <jhansonxi> jcastro: Admit it.  You called the parking police.
[17:04] <jcastro> sshhh
[17:05] <rick_h__> jcastro: ouch, didn't take long
[17:05] <jcastro> heh
[17:05] <jcastro> she was like 10 minutes over
[17:05] <jcastro> I was like "welcome to ann arbor!"
[17:05] <rick_h__> hah
[17:05] <rick_h__> yea, always hated parking down there, though usually I ended up in a garage
[17:09] <jrwren> jcastro: tell her to go pay it RIGHT NOW, it will be like $8 or $10, but will be $20 by tomorrow.
[17:09] <jcastro> yeah
[17:09] <jrwren> its a short walk from her work.
[17:28] <snap-l> That mongodb -> psql is a textbook example of being upset when you're looking for jewler's screwedrivers, and decide instead to use a cannon
[17:32] <jrwren> oh snap-l you always have the funniest analogies.
[17:46] <snap-l> I just shake my head when folks decide to use MongoDB for something that doesn't require blinding speed and eventual consistency
[17:48] <snap-l> And frankly, I'm no fan of mongoDB anyway. Seemed your data was secondary to beating benchmarks
[17:48] <jrwren> i find the performance dubious as well.
[17:48] <jrwren> "keep everything in memory" <-- guess what, this is really fast with RDBMS too
[17:49] <snap-l> Yeah, it's like a collection of dubious practices
[17:49] <greg-g> +1 to snap-l's creative analogies
[17:49] <snap-l> "We only write to disk when we absolutely have to"
[17:49] <snap-l> "We only pay people when we absolutely have to"
[17:50] <greg-g> hey, you're starting to talk like a startup!
[17:51] <snap-l> Maybe that's the true meaning of cloud computing: your data is just "out there" until someone pulls the plug
[17:51] <snap-l> Then it's puff-of-smoke computing
[17:52] <jrwren> s3 is sadly the opposite.
[17:52] <jrwren> its been so stable, people can't imagine it not being there.
[17:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Where we're going on the Internet, we don't need money
[17:53] <snap-l> We'll be able to mine the walls for bitcoin, and maximize investor revenue
[17:53] <snap-l> And drink Pina Coladas made of put energy and good intentions
[17:53] <snap-l> jrwren: Until it isn't.
[17:58] <greg-g> snap-l's favorite new refrain, "until it isn't"
[17:58] <greg-g> but, it is such a koan like response, it always works
[18:00] <snap-l> It's all fun and games, until it isn't. ;)
[18:02] <snap-l> Dropping koans like Galileo dropped the orange.
[18:02] <snap-l> (apologies to the Beastie Boys)
[18:26] <jcastro> jrwren, since you're such a joel fan, what do you think about this: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/09/17/attaching-a-number-to-best-practices/
[18:32] <snap-l> Once you attach a number to something, it becomes a game (paraphrase of Rob Malda over /.'s karma system)
[18:34] <snap-l> If it's a simple binary checklist, then it's cool, but if you start putting numbers to it, you'll run the risk of people trying to game them
[18:34] <snap-l> I know it seems insane, but try this experiment:
[18:34] <snap-l> You have a ladder: Terrible, poor, mediocre, fair, good, great, superb, legendary
[18:35] <snap-l> And each movement up the ladder is one point
[18:36] <snap-l> So, if you're at mediocre, you can move to fair using one point
[18:36] <snap-l> one shift, if you will
[18:36] <snap-l> So, starting from mediocre, you can get to great with 3 points
[18:37] <snap-l> shifts
[18:37] <snap-l> So, not bad.
[18:37] <snap-l> Now, try this
[18:37] <snap-l> -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3, +4, +5, +6, +7
[18:37] <snap-l> You start at 0
[18:37] <snap-l> You're going to want to get as high as possible on that ladder
[18:38] <snap-l> because +3 isn't the same as great. It's somewhere not +7
[18:39] <snap-l> even though in this example, legendary is beyond even human capabilities (ie: herculean).
[18:39] <snap-l> (Example comes from The Fudge / FATE / Strands of Fate games)
[18:41] <krondor> ugh to unattainable rankings.  There's more adjectives in there.
[18:42] <snap-l> http://hill-kleerup.org/pmwiki/FATE/TheLadder
[18:43] <snap-l> http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/15928/expand-the-numeric-scale-of-strands-of-fate
[18:43] <krondor> legendary, epic, minor deity, major diety, omnipotent, segfault?
[18:44] <snap-l> In Fudge, they strictly caution against applying numbers to the ladder
[18:44] <snap-l> (as strictly as a free-form game can admonish)
[18:45] <snap-l> krondor: YOu have caused the universe to core-dump.
[18:47] <greg-g> yeah, I'm annoyed that our new merit review rubrics have a list "25%, 50%, 75% of comparable compensation" (where "%" actually means "percentile")
[18:48] <greg-g> so, you don't think *any* CC employee is in 75+ percentile?
[18:48] <greg-g> ef that
[18:50] <jcastro> hey
[18:50] <jcastro> does traffic move to or from ann arbor in rush hour?
[18:56] <greg-g> highways aroudn A2 are a clusterfuck in all directions
[19:04] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/SLKv7FhJZANP10C0TImj/
[19:04] <snap-l> ^ sent to the MUG board list.
[19:08] <greg-g> every minute
[19:09] <snap-l> Maybe it's a message FROM THE FUTURE
[19:09] <snap-l> we need to make sure the board members aren't flying on the same plane.
[19:26] <rick_h__> best oatmeal ever
[19:26] <rick_h__> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/dog_paradox
[20:55] <jcastro> smoser, did you work hard enough for a beer yet?
[20:56] <smoser> jcastro, hm... maybe. but i have 2 soccer team pictures to tend to first.
[20:56] <jcastro> always with the soccer
[20:57] <brousch> That's unamerican!
[20:57] <brousch> You take football photos or move back to the EU
[20:59] <smoser> jcastro, i dont know. we'll see.
[20:59] <jcastro> I get the feeling that having these .... "kids" takes up all your time
[20:59] <jcastro> this concept is foreign to me
[21:00] <brousch> jcastro: You are correct sir
[21:16] <snap-l> "Liked Ubuntu until they introduced that shocking GUI with stupid bar on left side of the screen.I literally began hating it....Still makes me vomit. No offence to anybody who likes it but i can't just help myself."
[21:17] <snap-l> I would pay money to see someone vomit because of Unity.
[21:17] <snap-l> no ipecac, no gagging, just a simple, straightforward cookie toss when shown Unity.
[21:18] <greg-g> I don't think I'd pay money to see anyone vomit, really
[21:18] <snap-l> Wlel, I'd probably leave the room once they started
[21:19] <snap-l> But if they could show me a tape of them in a controlled experiment vomiting when exposed to Unity, I'd pay money for that.
[21:25] <greg-g> good thing he only literally hated it, not literally makes him vomit :)
[22:14] <snap-l> heh
[22:45] <derekv> I keep forgetting there's people who choose a linux distrobution because of how it "looks" out of the box
[22:57] <llua> they are very vocal about it too derekv.
[23:42] <derekv> jokes on them, definatly quicker to change up how it looks and acts then to try a bunch of different distros


[06:10] <pavlushka> Eid Mubarak!
[08:04] <pavlushka> Hello 3 Kilos Kilos-  Kilos-- :p
[08:04] <Kilos--> hi pavlushka
[08:05] <Kilos--> bad connection day again sigh
[08:05] <pavlushka> Kilos--: Eid Mubarak :)
[08:05] <Kilos--> enjoy
[08:05] <Kilos--> lose weight hey?
[08:15] <pavlushka> Kilos--: I need to gain some, I am usually a bit under weight :p
[08:16] <Kilos--> eat more
[08:16] <Kilos--> and deworm yourself
[08:16] <Kilos--> hehe
[08:18] <pavlushka> from morning to 2.17 PM now, I am not feeling any hungry.
[08:19] <Kilos--> are you guys still allowed to drink ?
[08:19] <Kilos--> or is it total fast
[08:19] <pavlushka> Kilos--: haven't eaten much, only a little noodles. waiting for myself to feel hungry, heh
[08:19] <Kilos--> hehe
[08:20] <pavlushka> Kilos--: it is total fast
[08:20] <pavlushka> but that's over
[08:20] <Kilos--> ah
[08:21] <pavlushka> today is Eid, the Celebration day.
[08:21] <Kilos--> oh yes, i forget
[08:21] <Kilos--> enjoy it
[08:32]  * pavlushka is not here, He is celebrating Eid :p


[22:39] <Mr_K> Hello! I'm trying to keep track of why an upstart service of mine is stopping/restarting i.e. whether it was restarted by a user via initctl or the underlying program crashed. My first thought was to use the pre-stop stanza to detect intentional restarts, but there is a bug with the pre-stop stanza that breaks `initctl restart` (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/703800). Does anyone know
[22:39] <Mr_K> of a upstart-related work-around for this?


[23:01] <Lxndr> I recently did a full install of ubuntu on this computer. For some reason it will only communicate to my headphones (and not my speakers) but it seems to be unable to communicate through the associated microphone jack. How can I fix this? (It worked fine when this was a windows machine, so I suspect it's not hardware.)
[23:01] <erUSUL> [-Haza-]: ;P
[23:02] <[-Haza-]> erUSUL: I love you too buddy :)
[23:02] <devdz> thanks guys :)
[23:02] <Supermatt1000> red yes exactaly but only in facebook chat
[23:02] <erUSUL> [-Haza-]: thx
[23:02] <mr-grey2> Check this out.... After I have my new linux installed on the 500gb drive and it boots WITH my prior windows 7 drive installed I get the GRUB.. I checked windows7 load to boot and says does not exist.
[23:02] <erUSUL> [-Haza-]: but i'm in my way out for today ... ;P
[23:03] <Supermatt1000> red could you send me a private message its easier for me to talk
[23:03] <[-Haza-]> erUSUL: Take it easy!
[23:03] <Out_Cold> Supermatt1000, i just figured out that facebook chat uses XMPP and is easy to turn on in pidgin
[23:03] <mr-grey2> I'm thinking GRUB put something in my windows drive that is messing it up
[23:04] <mr-grey2> because that was my primary drive. I had linux originally installed on a secondary
[23:04] <GeekSquid> Lxndr: there are some extra functions in the volume control you will need to enable ... goto applications>sound & Video>VolumeControl ... in preferences, see if speaker and headphone are checked ,,, other checkboxes do other things, try them out ... every machine is different, so I cannot provide specific instructions as to how to help you
[23:05] <mr-grey2> and now I can't have both drives in bios to boot from I either have to choose one or the other so I can't go into linux and pull off information from my windows drive
[23:05] <Lxndr> GeekSquid: Everything IS checked and enabled. Oddly enough, it recognizes the microphone from my usb-enabled webcam, just not the microphone plugged into the mic jack (though it seems to acknowledge the jack exists)
[23:05] <mr-grey2> I have to disable one drive to see the other in boot sequence and that is wild
[23:06] <kevvvvbo> Hey guys.. I have the nvidia problem where the screen flickers and it doesn't boot into ubuntu
[23:06] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY.
[23:06] <PeterT> " <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:06] <kevvvvbo> it gives me a command line but I can't really type in it
[23:06] <Dblack> ola
[23:06] <Dblack> alguem help me please
[23:07] <GeekSquid> Lxndr: and capture is unmuted .... also check System>perfs>sound   ... also available in synaptic is the multimedia systems selector (not installed by default)
[23:07] <Dblack> interface grafica alguem sabe instalar no server 9.0
[23:07] <GeekSquid> !es | Dblack
[23:07] <xangua> !br | Dblack
[23:08] <Dblack> ok
[23:08] <Dblack> mais infelizmente não tem ninguem qe saiba ou possa me ajudar
[23:08] <Dblack> por isso recorri aqi
[23:08] <Dblack> im sorry]
[23:08] <GeekSquid> Dblack: ho hablar aqi
[23:09] <xangua> Dblack: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop : if you want to install gnome
[23:10] <cess> my laptop doesn't recognize my wlan it just turns on bluetooth, can any1 help?
[23:10] <Supermatt1000> Out_Cold could you pm me
[23:10] <Supermatt1000> Out_Cold please
[23:11] <GeekSquid> !pm > Supermatt1000
[23:11] <DcMeese> !es | DcMeese
[23:11] <jaypur1> how can i connect to ubuntu server as a root???
[23:12] <GeekSquid> !root | jaypur1
[23:12] <jaypur1> GeekSquid, i'm the owner of the server man, and i'm connecting by nautilus but i can't modify really anything...
[23:13] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:13] <harisund> jaypur1: you can't do that, root account is not enabled at all on Ubuntu
[23:13] <domjohnson> bye
[23:13] <xbmc> xbmc@90e6ba974a82:~$ date
[23:13] <xbmc> Tue Mar  9 21:11:35 EST 2010
[23:13] <xbmc> xbmc@90e6ba974a82:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:13] <xbmc><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[23:13] <xbmc> Linux mythserver 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686
[23:13] <FloodBot1> xbmc: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:13] <xbmc> To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
[23:13] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:13] <jaypur1> harisund, i want to access some folders...
[23:13] <jaypur1> harisund, how can i do that
[23:14] <xbmc> time is wrong on diskless client
[23:14] <harisund> jaypur1: There are a couple of ways. One, I would suggest using a ncurses based, command line file explorer like MC. Or else you could ssh with -X enabled and launch gksudo nautilus --no-desktop
[23:15] <xbmc> time is wrong on diskless client
[23:15] <xbmc> how to fix?
[23:15] <jaypur1> harisund, hmm
[23:16] <SoftChIP> I am trying to load Ubuntu for the first time (first time linux ever) and i've got a problem. Can anyone help me.?
[23:16] <xbmc> noooooooooo
[23:16] <jaypur1> i have all the folders of my server here... i'm looking at them right now
[23:16] <xbmc> yes ask away
[23:16] <jaypur1> but if i need to change a file.... what can i do?
[23:16] <GeekSquid> !details | SoftChIP
[23:16] <SoftChIP> I've got this problem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:17] <soreau> SoftChIP: Just state the problem you're having in as much detail as you can, all on one line in this channel. If anyone knows the answer, they will likely respond
[23:17] <elyos> SoftChIP: if you're that new, it's best to start with some sort of linux beginners book before you start installing anything
[23:18] <harisund> jaypur1: You can use some command line file editor .. that's how most file editing is done on servers
[23:18] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:18] <xbmc> perhaps go into bios disable the firewire port as we dont use them often and try again
[23:18] <elyos> i sftp to my servers and gedit everything :)
[23:18] <xbmc> get a bit of experience with ubuntuthen try and fix firewire
[23:18] <jaypur1> harisund, hmmm
[23:18] <SoftChIP> okey. will try =)
[23:18] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:19] <donavan01> need a little help ... what do I need to get dvds to play for the life of me I cant remember
[23:19] <harisund> jaypur1: Or you could start nautilus on your laptop with gksudo nautilus --no-desktop and then connect to your server from there
[23:19] <jaypur1> harisund, so it would be like... editing at command lines, but looking at then at the server help me to find the directories
[23:19] <XypherOrion> allo
[23:19] <GeekSquid> SoftChIP: that is a really old bug report, this is on a toshiba? what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:19] <xbmc> SoftChIP,  if you disable firewire in bios it should fix problem i think
[23:19] <SoftChIP> i just downloaded the 9.10 version
[23:19] <jaypur1> Haraken,  gksudo nautilus --no-desktop ???
[23:19] <Out_Cold> h00k, jrib i think zenity will fit my bill.. I can push the messages and get responses
[23:19] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:19] <XypherOrion> pardon me for rudely popping in and asking a question, but might anyone know how to get ioquake3's fullscreen rendering working correctly on a multimonitor setup while using twinview?
[23:20] <xbmc> yes burn the iso and gofor it
[23:20] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:20] <elyos> quake3/openarena dont work with nvidia twinview type of setup
[23:20] <ZykoticK9> XypherOrion, i have the same issue with ioquake3 - I've just started disabling one monitor before starting the game -- hope you find a better solution.  good luck.
[23:20] <PlaHPoy> in the new ubuntu private cloud setup can you only spin up instances of ubuntu?  What if i want some centos / etc machines?
[23:20] <XypherOrion> ZykoticK9: vanilla quake 3 runs fine, just no sound
[23:21] <ZykoticK9> XypherOrion, same here
[23:21] <XypherOrion> er, sry that was for elyos
[23:21] <XypherOrion> I fail to see the point of using two X screens as well...lol
[23:21] <devdz> guys is there any good program to read .pdf files just in shell ?
[23:21] <SoftChIP> There is no firewire setting in bios. :(
[23:22] <elyos> XypherOrion: developers need it
[23:22] <jrib> devdz: no :)
[23:22] <XypherOrion> Good point
[23:22] <devdz> jrib: ok thanks :)
[23:22] <soreau> devdz: It would be easier to play a video in the shell than view a pdf
[23:22] <devdz> i see
[23:22] <XypherOrion> however me, being rather insignificant in this scope, and ioquake3 misbehaving, also insignificant, is rather annoyed ;)
[23:22] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:23] <XypherOrion> Nearly tempted to sift through the IOQuake3 source myself and sort it out >.<
[23:23] <PeterT> "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY." <-- I'm getting this error when trying to launch screen with a newly made user account (over SSH).
[23:23] <xangua> PlaHPoy: you mean 'ubuntu one' ¿ is only aviable for ubuntu (gnome desktop)  right now, they are developing kde and windows client
[23:23] <blakkheim> !repeat | PeterT
[23:23] <GeekSquid> PeterT: we got the question... please don't repeat, I am trying it myself
[23:23] <SoftChIP> I have this problem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:24] <PeterT> Well, you could say something so I don't have to freak the hell out
[23:24] <SoftChIP> i run ubuntu 9.10
[23:24] <SoftChIP> can't disable firewire in bios
[23:24] <aeon> ls
[23:24] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Thanks.
[23:24] <IdleOne> PeterT: freaking out will only aggravate you more.
[23:25] <pfifo> what ports do I need to open on my router to allow NFS connections from the outside world?
[23:25] <ProfessorBacon> ugh
[23:25] <ProfessorBacon> why
[23:25] <ned> has anyone had an issue with emacs being a weird 'yellow' color and having the cursor being the same color as the bg in emacs -nw ?
[23:26] <dhillon-v10> ned: actually no :) I personally use vim but some of my friends use emacs and they seem to be fine
[23:27] <MilitantPotato> Is it my imagination or is flash 10.1 (beta) significantly faster than 10.0?
[23:27] <GeekSquid> PeterT: as you can see there are a lot of people in this channel and we are all volunteers helping eachother, I logged into my local machine using SSH as a normal user ... like this "ssh user@host" I logged in as that user,I then typed screen , screen came up and asked what type of terminal I wanted I selected "plain" and I had a screen session for that user, Is that what you did?
[23:28] <PeterT> GeekSquid: I think so, I logged in as a newly made user
[23:28] <GeekSquid> PeterT: lemme try something
[23:29] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Ok
[23:29] <SoftChIP> I will try once more. I run a toshiba satellite laptop and i just installed Ubuntu 9.10. When i reboot after installation the computer stall with the same message in this url<EMAIL_ADDRESS>   There is no setting for firewire in bios.
[23:29] <ProfessorBacon> update bios?
[23:29] <shang_> how to test gnome-keyring to see if it is working? (expect using the wireless)
[23:30] <SoftChIP> its the newest bios
[23:30] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Just logged in with new user "peter"
[23:30] <mishpish> hello.  i'm having some difficulty printing open office files and having the fonts print normally.  can anyone guide?  thanks!
[23:30] <PeterT> GeekSquid: I'm in ~
[23:30] <jofo> Hello. I’ve found a mistake in the font FreeSerif. Who shoud I report it to and how?
[23:30] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Just typed screen
[23:30] <PeterT> GeekSquid: btw, I'm "peter@petert"
[23:31] <shang_> jofo: launchpad.net
[23:31] <SoftChIP> okey then. my linux experience ended before i even came in to the GUI... :(
[23:31] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Still the "No More PTYs problem"
[23:31] <PlaHPoy> in the new ubuntu private cloud setup can you only spin up instances of ubuntu?  What if i want some centos / etc machines?
[23:32] <brjann> PeterT: what does the output of this command give on the machine you're trying to launch screen?     ls -l /dev/ptmx
[23:33] <PeterT> peter@petert:~$ ls -l /dev/ptmx
[23:33] <PeterT> crw-rw-rw- 1 peter peter 5, 2 Mar  9 02:32 /dev/ptmx
[23:33] <PeterT> brjann: ^
[23:33] <brjann> that's odd... your user shouldn't own that device
[23:33] <MilitantPotato> Yea, 10.1 beta flash is much faster.  Finally linux is getting decent flash support.
[23:34] <GeekSquid> PeterT: strange, what is it you need to do in screen that you can't do via ssh?
[23:34] <brjann> PeterT: have you been chowning things in /dev to your user?
[23:34] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Run a game server that stays open when I log out
[23:35] <PeterT> brjann: I think so?
[23:35] <brjann> PeterT: hm. that's probably not a good thing
[23:35] <PeterT> brjann: Do you know the problem?
[23:36] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:36] <GeekSquid> sebsebseb: Hi ... fccf hre
[23:36] <sebsebseb> GeekSquid: oh with another name
[23:36] <brjann> PeterT: screen throws that error when permissions on /dev/ptmx aren't set correctly. it's owned by root:tty on my system, and has the same permission bits
[23:36] <PeterT> brjann: What do I do to fix it?
[23:37] <brjann> PeterT: so you might try    sudo chown root:tty /dev/ptmx     but if you've been randomly chowning devices in /dev to your unprivileged user, it's hard to say what will work and what won't
[23:37] <Adien> I've been trying to get sound working on Ubuntu 9.10 for three hours and nothing please can someone help
[23:37] <PeterT> brjann: As root?
[23:37] <serverduck> warning: The VAD has been replaced by a hack pending a complete rewrite
[23:37] <GeekSquid> PeterT: log in as sudo user to do what brjann said
[23:37] <serverduck> what is this?
[23:37] <devdz> in which directory i can find mainly the sources of the programs that works by default with the distribution of ubuntu .. sorry for my simple questions im new with linux :)
[23:38] <PeterT> brjann: root@petert:/home# sudo chown root:tty /dev/ptmx
[23:38] <PeterT> sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
[23:38] <PeterT> Segmentation fault
[23:38] <aouldr78> what is default file for mail in Lucid?
[23:39] <GeekSquid> PeterT: you were already root when you did that
[23:39] <brjann> PeterT: okay, now that's happening because your unpriviliged user owns the sudoers file, not root. i think your system is probably hosed at this point
[23:39] <PeterT> Hosed?
[23:39] <PeterT> You mean I'm fucked, I need to ask my person to re-do my system?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> !language | PeterT
[23:39] <GeekSquid> PeterT: relax ... i see a problem with your last terminal command ... try it without sudo
[23:40] <PeterT> root@petert:/home# chown root:tty /dev/ptmx
[23:40] <PeterT> You have mail in /var/mail/root
[23:40] <PeterT> root@petert:/home#
[23:40] <GeekSquid> PeterT: now try logging is as a new user and running screen
[23:40] <brjann> PeterT: potentially, yes. the user 'peter' should normally not own any files outside of those in /home/peter
[23:40] <aouldr78> i just installed lucid and i am doing some at and cron practice but i do not have mail installed in my system. so where is the default file to find my mails?
[23:41] <sebsebseb> !lucid | aouldr78
[23:41] <PeterT> Ok, GeekSquid
[23:41] <PeterT> I'm trying now
[23:42] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Still doesn't work
[23:42] <Adien> I've been trying to get sound working on Ubuntu 9.10 for three hours and nothing please can someone help
[23:42] <markdymek_> where is a good resource/book to learn about linux command line?
[23:43] <Lappie> i want to access the folder that contains the background images that came with ubuntu (8.10, installed w windows if that matters) i want to delete a couple of them to conserv some of my hd space, where are they and how do i access them?
[23:43] <unop> markdymek_, /join #bash   and type  !guide
[23:43] <brjann> markdymek_: IBM's "Speaking UNIX" is pretty good. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-unix-commandline/index.html
[23:43] <unop> Lappie, /usr/share/wallpapers/  perhaps
[23:44] <brjann> markdymek_: I think there are like 8 parts, you might have to search for the other 7 as that's just the first one
[23:44] <unop> Lappie, also  /usr/share/pixmaps/backgrounds/
[23:44] <markdymek_> ty @brjann
[23:44] <GeekSquid> PeterT: please pastebin the output of a ls -lx in /dev ... use paste.ubuntu.com for this
[23:45] <GeekSquid> PeterT: that command 'ls -lx'
[23:45] <aouldr78> ubunu 9.10 can not run on my laptop so i installed lucid instead and it is working so far
[23:45] <aouldr78> i have Intel core i3
[23:45] <GeekSquid> aouldr78: please /join #ubuntu+1
[23:45] <aouldr78> where is that
[23:46] <sebsebseb> !lucid | aouldr78
[23:46] <GeekSquid> aouldr78: type /join #ubuntu+1
[23:46] <markdymek_> what is the command that tells you what every piece of hardware is in your system?
[23:46] <brjann> markdymek_: lshw
[23:46] <J-new-to-u> i could use some some support connecting to a vpn using racoon and kvpnc im getting confighuration parse errors and im internet connection keeps getting dropped
[23:46] <brjann> markdymek_: er, sudo lshw
[23:46] <Lappie> i dont see either one of those in usr
[23:46] <Lappie> i dont see either one of those in usr
[23:47] <donavan01> Im getting choppy audio playback on dvds but the video is fine ... anyone know how to fix this ?
[23:47] <PeterT> GeekSquid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/391367/
[23:47] <jaypur> hi
[23:47] <Typos_King> allo
[23:47] <J-new-to-u> hi
[23:47] <b2p1mp> donavan01: in all players or just one?
[23:47] <Typos_King> donavan01:    ... on what player?
[23:48] <GeekSquid> PeterT sorry I meant ls -l  ... loose the x
[23:48] <BluesKaj-Laptop> donavan01, do you have pulseaudio installed ?
[23:48] <donavan01> vlc ... totem doesnt like playing it at all
[23:48] <PeterT> GeekSquid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/391369/
[23:48] <Typos_King> !codecs | donavan01
[23:48] <donavan01> blueskay-laptop .... not sure how do I find out
[23:49] <BluesKaj-Laptop> donavan01, system/admin/media
[23:49] <GeekSquid> PeterT: ugh .. should look more like this http://geeksquid.pastebin.ca/1829266
[23:49] <gilead> hi
[23:49] <Lappie> does anyone know the name of one of the default backgrounds? i can just search for it and find them that way cant i?
[23:49] <Typos_King> donavan01:    I use xine-ui, comes with a pile of codecs, my videos plays fine in it
[23:50] <gilead> there's a heated discussion about 14-year old virgins over at #linux so I thought I'd bother you guys instead :)
[23:50] <J-new-to-u> im new to ubuntu and im trying to connect to a symantec box using kpvnc and racoon... im getting config parse errors and ive looked at alot of pages and ive googled the errors still nothing
[23:50] <gilead> the question is: how can I change base mouse speed (not acceleration) in X.org? I tried to set Resolution and Sensitivity in the mouse section but it didn't change anything. Actually at the end I changed mouse driver to 'blahblah' and it still worked o_O so I'm not even sure the mouse section is the right place.
[23:50] <PeterT> GeekSquid: tbh, I don't know see a difference
[23:50] <zenteno> hola
[23:50] <Typos_King> gilead:   .... ahemm.... hehehl ok
[23:50] <GeekSquid> PeterT: peter vs. root ... look again
[23:50] <zenteno> alguien habla español??
[23:50] <zenteno> ???
[23:51] <Typos_King> !es | zenteno
[23:51] <PeterT> zenteno: #ubuntu-es
[23:51] <PeterT> GeekSquid: I should've run under root?
[23:51] <Lappie> ohh, i found it its was usr share backgrounds, but i over looked it somehow, ty
[23:51] <hexdump> Does anybody know of a channel that has programming support?
[23:51] <ilovethislinuxst> help
[23:51] <J-new-to-u> hahaha
[23:51] <mah2224> hi guys, i can run an application from the alt-f2 thing, how can i make a shortcut/launcher?
[23:51] <J-new-to-u> thats how i feel too
[23:51] <brjann> !help | ilovethislinuxst
[23:52] <unop> hexdump, depends on the language you're programming in
[23:52] <ilovethislinuxst> what's nikserv
[23:52] <Typos_King> hexdump    depends on the language you're after, usually channels address it per language :)
[23:52] <unop> hexdump,  /j ##programming
[23:52] <J-new-to-u> ive looked all over the net and maybe i missed something but i cannot seem to get it connected
[23:52] <tony__> what command can I use for open "login Windows preferences"
[23:52] <J-new-to-u> unless
[23:53] <mah2224> hi guys, i can run an application from the alt-f2 thing, how can i make a shortcut/launcher?
[23:53] <J-new-to-u> i go through vmware and use a program in windows
[23:53] <hexdump> C++ actually a program I'm using I can't seem to build a program using codelite
[23:53] <tony__> It is not show in Ubuntu 9.10
[23:53] <NinoScript> Hi! I wanted to change the /lib/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules, but it's not there, there are 65 other files like it, but not that one... can I just create it? will it work?
[23:53] <ilovethislinuxst> can someone help me?
[23:53] <Typos_King> hexdump:    then you may wnat to try #c++ :)
[23:53] <hexdump> I tried ##programming
[23:53] <brjann> mah2224: right-click on the desktop and click "Create Launcher"
[23:53] <hexdump> and that but hey np don't worry bout it
[23:53] <hexdump> thanks anyway though
[23:53] <GeekSquid> PeterT: lemme break this down for you ... you modified dev and made it so your system is totally locked out from using local devices ... where it says peter on your system should be root (left column-owner) and peter (right column-group) should match my list
[23:54] <xbmc> do chooks like pumpkin?
[23:54] <J-new-to-u> then it connects all day and works which tells me its a config problem or a new to linux problem which is why im here
[23:54] <PeterT> GeekSquid: Is there a way to fix it?
[23:54] <Typos_King> J-new-to-u:   I never got  your original question
[23:55] <mah2224> brjann: thank you, i've tried this, but i don't know what to put in the command field
[23:55] <ilovethislinuxst> i need to know how to remember my password for my nickname
[23:55] <ilovethislinuxst> and sign in
[23:55] <ilovethislinuxst> don't i?
[23:55] <tony__> Any body know wha's command I use for the console for open the login windows preferences
[23:55] <tony__> ???
[23:55] <markdymek_> anyone know the sound chipset in the HP pavillion dv7-3065
[23:55] <BluesKaj-Laptop> mah2224, it should show up in the menu after launching once , not always , sometimes it has to be added , them it can be added to the panel
[23:55] <brjann> mah2224: the command field is for the path to the binary you'd like to run. what are you trying to create a shortcut to?
[23:56] <mah2224> its a program called lyx that i just installed
[23:56] <GeekSquid> PeterT: yes, see line 52 of your file that is the change we made ... before it would have said peter peter ... see the difference, but use my list as a guide
[23:56] <ilovethislinuxst> is there a help channel for nickserv?
[23:56] <mah2224> i can run it by doing alt+f2 and simply typing in lyx
[23:56] <PeterT> GeekSquid: How do I fix it?
[23:56] <brjann> mah2224: right, that's the same thing you'd put in the command field
[23:56] <Typos_King> ilovethislinuxst:    /nickserv help
[23:56] <ilovethislinuxst> ty
[23:56] <markdymek_> anyone familar with HP pavillion dv7-3065?
[23:56] <Typos_King> ilovethislinuxst:    you can always also try the ops channel at #freenode
[23:56] <Typos_King> ircops channel that is
[23:57] <mah2224> this is what ive tried already, when i put that in the command field and execute the launcher, it gives me an error
[23:57] <Lxndr> I want to play nethack. I cannot find it in the package manager. Can anyone tell me where to get it?
[23:57] <mah2224> would you like to know what the error says? i can try it again
[23:57] <J-new-to-u> im trying to connect to a vpn through linux.. ive read through all the webpages on racoon and kvpnc... but im getting racoon.conf parse errors and it kills my network connection... i have also tried strongswan to connect as well and it just wont do it... i can get it o connect in a vm windows xp all day... but i cant get it done in native ubuntu im goinfg freakin nuts.... been on this for over a week
[23:57] <brjann> PeterT: but it should be noted that /dev may not be the only folder on the disk that has this problem. the sudo error you received earlier was caused by peter owning /etc/sudoers. so this problem is likely not limited to /dev
[23:57] <BluesKaj-Laptop> mah2224, did you install it with a package manager?
[23:57] <PeterT> Sigh...
[23:57] <mah2224> no
[23:57] <trism> Lxndr: nethack-console or nethack-qt
[23:57] <PeterT> I'm going to format and reinstall then
[23:57] <Johnny1> How can I turn off auto correction in ubuntu 9.10?
[23:57] <PeterT> Sorry to bother you
[23:58] <brjann> PeterT: that would be my recommendation, sorry :(
[23:58] <mah2224> i had to compile it and do the ./configure and then make and then make install thing
[23:58] <BluesKaj-Laptop> mah2224, how did you install it/
[23:58] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ?
[23:58] <brjann> mah2224: oh. try /usr/local/bin/lyx then
[23:58] <Lxndr> trism: Netiher of those happens to be in the package manager. Where can i find either of those?
[23:58] <mah2224> great, thanks, lets see
[23:59] <brjann> mah2224: for future reference, though, lyx is in the ubuntu repositories
[23:59] <trism> Lxndr: they are both in the universe repository
[23:59] <Desciero> I'm having trouble saving images via Firefox on ubuntu 9.10
[23:59] <BluesKaj-Laptop> mah2224, odd I have it in synaptic
[23:59] <Desciero> When I right click and hit save image, it saves a .html file instead.
[23:59] <Rahoul> hola zenteno
[23:59] <ilovethislinuxst> help


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