[03:39] <howcomes> /join #dont.fucking.whois.me.bitch
[03:39] <howcomes> damit
[03:39] <reon> robotgeek, unfortunately i'm not so organised.... :(
[03:39] <howcomes> youd think /join would be a command
[03:39] <howcomes> but no
[03:39] <howcomes> apparently its not
[03:39] <Skrot> howcomes: Client?
[03:39] <howcomes> Konversation
[03:39] <Skrot> It is..
[03:39] <howcomes> im used to mIRC
[03:39] <robotgeek> howcomes: please respect the coc in here
[03:39] <howcomes> maybe i typed //
[03:39] <Skrot> mhm
[03:40] <howcomes> i usd to script a lot in mIRC so its just habit
[03:40] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: i don't follow
[03:40] <howcomes> // causes $vars to be evaluated and such
[03:40] <robotgeek> howcomes: irssi can be scripted nicely
[03:40] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: how should i use ln ?
[03:41] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: lets say my folder to share is /volumes/daddy and want to create a link to it in folder /home/desktop
[03:42] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: ln -s ~/Desktop/daddy /volumes/daddy , should work
[03:42] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: no, it's the other way around
[03:43] <robotgeek> ln -s /volumes/daddy ~/Desktop/daddy
[03:43] <orion_fr_24> hoo ok
[03:44] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: thx its working
[03:44] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: cool
[03:46] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: now i d like to munt a smb shared folder on boot up
[03:46] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: atomatic
[03:46] <orion_fr_24> I assume i need to use etc/fstab
[03:47] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: but what should i type i m new in linux
[03:53] <howcomes> Anyone have a verified method for using Cedega/WINE with Kubuntu 5.10 w\ Steam (specifically CS 1.6) ?
[03:53] <reon> jjesse, Are depency problems normal in qemu when you isntall ???
[03:54] <jjesse> reon: i just did an apt-get install qemu and had no issues w/ it
[03:55] <reon> jjesse, mine is moaning about 2 dependencies, vgabios & bochbios ???
[03:55] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: sorry, was away
[03:55] <jjesse> reon: hmm don't know
[03:55] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: i have no clue about samba, sorry
[03:56] <reon> jjesse, looks like qemu needs then for emulation. I'll manually add them
[03:56] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: ok
[03:58] <reon> jjesse, qemu is happy now ;)
[03:59] <jjesse> reon: glad to have it all set
[04:05] <orion_fr_24> how can i automount a smb share ???
[04:05] <orion_fr_24> I really need help
[04:05] <orion_fr_24> please
[04:06] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: have u searched the wiki?
[04:06] <C-O-L-T> hello how can I use limewire on linux?
[04:06] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: use gtk-gnutella instead, or frostwire
[04:07] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: i dont know how to use wiki
[04:07] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: which is more easier to use?
[04:07] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: i've only used gtk-gnutella, it's non-java :)
[04:07] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: it is better?
[04:07] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: wiki.ubuntu.com , and just search text
[04:08] <orion_fr_24> it s saying about italian stuff
[04:08] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: i havent used limewire/frostwire, so no comment
[04:08] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: but gtk-nutella is compatible with those
[04:08] <orion_fr_24> nothin about that
[04:09] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: nothin about moutin smb in fstab
[04:09] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28samba%29
[04:09] <robotgeek> nothing about fstab, sorry
[04:18] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: I downloaded gnutella but I can not use ti
[04:18] <C-O-L-T> it
[04:18] <C-O-L-T> does not begin to search
[04:19] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: ah, does it complain about "Your version of gtk is too old?"
[04:20] <reon> Stupid question, how do I create an iso image from a cd ?
[04:20] <robotgeek> reon: no very stupid, i believe you can do from k3b
[04:21] <reon> never mind, i found it in k3b
[04:21] <reon> very simple actually ;)
[04:24] <dark_suic> hi, i have hal backend activated, hal added to group "disk" but still cannot see usb external devices in media:/
[04:24] <dark_suic> anyone knows what's going on here?
[04:34] <bur[n] er> anyone know how ot get the tango-icon-theme set up with kde?  I have the tango theme selected, but the folder icons are still crystal :\
[04:36] <reon> robotgeek, k3b gave me hassles and also trid to create a .img file. Now using dd
[04:36] <robotgeek> reon: uhuh
[04:37] <reon> sometimes the good old command line is the best although i'm no fan of it
[04:37] <robotgeek> heh
[04:38] <reon> 158 seconds, not to shabby
[04:39] <reon> ls -l
[04:39] <reon> oops
[04:41] <pollomix> #kubuntu-es
[04:42] <pollomix> como escuho mis mp3
[04:43] <mcscruff> bash: gmake: command not found <where can i get gmake from?
[04:43] <bur[n] er> mcscruff: build-essential ?
[04:44] <mcscruff> i've got that
[04:44] <mcscruff> :(
[04:44] <bur[n] er> got me senor
[04:45] <reon> jjesse, houston, we have a problem with vmplayer
[04:47] <reon> Cannot check for the existence of an old redo log for disk '/home/reon/vmware/dapper/vmware-dapper.vmdk'.
[04:47] <reon> Failed to configure disk ide0:0.  The virtual machine cannot be powered on with an unconfigured disk.
[04:48] <robotgeek> jjesse: looks like i am going to be filing a lot of bugs on kubuntu :)
[04:51] <reon> whoa, it's working !!!
[04:51] <mux1> real?
[04:52] <reon> ?
[04:56] <J-S> Skype 64bit howto install into kubuntu
[04:59] <J-S> Does this work at all?
[05:02] <bushito> !fat32
[05:02] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:06] <asraniel> could someone help me? smb4k does not work. i cant mount shares. i chmoded 2 files and now i get" libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root."
[05:12] <halibut> how do I wipe all data off a disk and make 1 single ext3 partition taking up 100% of the drive? I deleted the old partition and then created a new one with qtparted but it now reports 1GB of the drive has been used!?
[05:16] <mcscruff> what are the GTK+ dev headers called?
[05:19] <nalioth> mcscruff: libgtk+*-dev
[05:20] <mcscruff> ty
[05:22] <asraniel> ok, then its ok to say that there is no way to mount a windows share in kubuntu?
[05:22] <reon> ok, i now have dapper flight 2 running on vmplayer, way cool.
[05:24] <jjesse> reon: why not flight3?
[05:24] <reon> jjesse, I already had the flight 2 cd. I suppose I can always upgrade
[05:25] <reon> jjesse: How do I minimize VMplayer once I have it in fullscreen mode or access the menus
[05:25] <jjesse> crtl+alt will release control of the screens
[05:26] <reon> thanks !
[05:28] <reon> jjesse, I'm busy restarting it now then I'll do a upgrade. I suppose a apt-get distr upgrade will do the job ?
[05:32] <jjesse> correct
[05:35] <howcomes> i think the whole idea behind disabling root is to force you to sudo everything so that new users learn the console :P
[05:35] <jjesse> howcomes: you can use kdesu as well
[05:35] <howcomes> after im done cp'ing all these steam gcf's ill check that out
[05:36] <dark_suic> any idea of why with hal activated and into disk group usb devices won't appear in media:/ ???
[05:40] <reon> How do I upgrade to Flight 3 ?
[05:41] <nalioth> reon: use apt-get
[05:41] <nalioth> reon: if you have dapper already, you probably are flight-3 +
[05:42] <reon> nalioth, done a update followed by dist-upgrade and nothing
[05:42] <reon> nalioth, I have flight 2
[05:42] <nalioth> reon: then you are flight-3 +  (and up to date)
[05:42] <nalioth> reon: you get daily updates, yes?
[05:43] <reon> nalioth, I just installed flight2 iso in vmplayer 5 minutes ago
[05:44] <reon> Whats the easiest way to check what ver i'm running ?
[05:44] <nalioth> reon: "uname -a" in a terminal and/or 'cat /etc/issue'
[05:46] <reon> what tells me it is flight 3 ?
[05:48] <nalioth> reon: does your apt-get show you activity when you update? can you see it hitting the servers?
[05:49] <reon> nalioth, yes, i get the updates from apt-get update
[05:49] <nalioth> then run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:49] <reon> It checks and installs zip
[05:50] <reon> probably upgraded during install
[05:50] <nalioth> reon: i'm not sure about vmware
[05:50] <nalioth> yes, most likely. that is standard behavior
[05:50] <reon> so i'm probably up to spec...
[05:53] <EightiesK_away> hey
[05:57] <reon> Hmm, just come to the conclusion that the desktop and fonts are identical on breezy & dapper :(
[05:58] <EightieK> ic
[05:59] <EightieK> i've come to the colusion if FC4 had deb files that be my distro.
[06:05] <xatalinux> hello.....
[06:06] <xatalinux> i will like to know some name for codecs for linux kubuntu?
[06:07] <xatalinux> to can play movies
[06:08] <xatalinux> can some one hellp me ?
[06:08] <trispace> xatalinux: install kaffeine-xine and use kaffeine to play movies
[06:08] <xatalinux> k
[06:09] <xatalinux> is not necesary codecs for this programs?
[06:09] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xatalinux about multimedia
[06:09] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xatalinux about restricted
[06:10] <xatalinux> i wiil like to install azureus in kubuntu but i don't know how to do'it
[06:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xatalinux about azureus
[06:10] <ClayG> any way to export thunderbird accounts or gaim accounts?
[06:11] <ClayG> nalioth, how is your site doing?
[06:11] <ClayG> Your CVS rather, sorry
[06:13] <xatalinux> thank you nalioth .....
[06:13] <nalioth> ClayG: my cvs?
[06:13] <larsivi> !motu
[06:13] <nalioth> xatalinux: you are welcome
[06:13] <ubotu> well, motu is the Masters of the Universe ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU )
[06:13] <ClayG> Sorry I'm thinking of someone else
[06:14] <larsivi> any motu's or packagers here?
[06:15] <howcomes> !ati
[06:15] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:15] <EightieK> !unzip
[06:15] <ubotu> Not a clue, EightieK
[06:15] <nalioth> larsivi: ask your question
[06:15] <nalioth> EightieK: ask a real question, please
[06:16] <EightieK> ne2 no how to extract using sudo?
[06:17] <EightieK> nalioth, how do i extract from root?
[06:18] <nalioth> EightieK: there is no root. use sudo + <COMMAND>
[06:19] <larsivi> I just want exult packaged, nalioth :)
[06:19] <EightieK> i know
[06:19] <EightieK> sudo is from root
[06:19] <EightieK> i need to extract it  u dunno the command to do so.
[06:19] <nalioth> larsivi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[06:19] <Set> I'm no scum anymore :))
[06:20] <nalioth> EightieK: sudo unzip package.zip
[06:20] <EightieK> k
[06:20] <EightieK> ne1 know where the theme folder is for kde?
[06:20] <nalioth> EightieK: ~/.kde/themes
[06:22] <seashell11> ok, I upgraded to kde 3.5 on a breezy computer, and now when I install new programs it doesn't make startup icons in the k-menu for them, does anyone know a fix? or did I do something wrong when upgrading?
[06:25] <sciyann> hello, i would like to enable 1280x1024 resolution that i disabled during installation. how can i do this ?
[06:25] <seashell11> sciyann: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <EightieK> !DebianServiceMenu
[06:25] <ubotu> EightieK: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:26] <EightieK> :(
[06:26] <EightieK> yes
[06:27] <sciyann> thanks a lot seashell !!
[06:28] <EightieK> hey yaw
[06:32] <feistel> hi
[06:32] <feistel> how I can change the image of sleeping KDE's mascot in the shutdown window?
[06:36] <ClayG> any way to export thunderbird accounts or gaim accounts?
[06:37] <howcomes> afk sleep
[06:45] <ClayG> where is the gnome termcaps file (to change the default launch size)
[06:47] <reon> ...
[06:51] <C-O-L-T> why my gnutella is not working
[06:52] <trispace> i have a problem with bogofilter an KMail, manually marked messages are added to the wordlist but bogofilter doesn't recognize new mail as spam, even after piping ~300 spam messages through it. Any suggestions?
[06:53] <trispace> bogofilter marks every mail with: X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.520000
[06:56] <reon> I installed x-mame, where would I find it in the menus, i actually see no games at all.
[06:58] <owner> reon install debian menu
[06:58] <owner> sudo apt-get install menu
[07:00] <reon> Thx.
[07:01] <reon> owner, and after the install
[07:01] <reon> ?
[07:01] <nalioth> reon: killall gnome-panel
[07:01] <nalioth> reon: then you should have an extended menu
[07:01] <reon> i'm using kde ?
[07:02] <nalioth> woops
[07:02] <reon> lol
[07:02] <nalioth> reon: kill the kicker
[07:02] <reon> command to use & restore ?
[07:02] <C-O-L-T> nalioth: how to install gtk-gnutella the latest version in kubuntu
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> how to flush my iptables
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> disable all my firewalls
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> and their settings
[07:03] <Xemanth^^> C-O-L-T: sudo iptables --flush
[07:03] <Xemanth^^> :D
[07:04] <C-O-L-T> Xemanth^^: sudo: iptables: command not found
[07:05] <Xemanth^^> hmm thats odd
[07:05] <C-O-L-T> Xemanth^^: anyway a few days ago I could use skype file transfer and now I can not. Anyway gtk - gnutella is not working, it says me that I have a firewall but i don't
[07:10] <C-O-L-T> Xemanth^^: ???
[07:11] <owner> C-O-L-T do you have a router
[07:11] <owner> because that qualifies as a firewall
[07:11] <C-O-L-T> owner: I have a cable connection
[07:12] <owner> do you use a router
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> what is that
[07:12] <owner> to share internet
[07:12] <mcscruff> how can i link certain extensions to open in certain programs
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> ?
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> owner: no I don't
[07:12] <owner> you should install firestarter
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> owner: few days ago everything worked ok and now not
[07:12] <owner> and you can use its options to unblock ports
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> owner: I don't need a firewall, I need just to disable all my firewalls
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> iptables
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> everything
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> to use gtk-gnutella
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> skype
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> file transfer
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> and others too
[07:13] <owner> just uninstall iptables then
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> how the hell
[07:13] <owner> sudo apt-get remove iptables
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> owner: this won't delete my connection right
[07:14] <owner> no
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> owner: Package iptables is not installed, so not removed
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> it says me this
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> then why I can not use skype file transger
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> and gtk-gnutella
[07:15] <owner> colt check if firestarter is installed
[07:15] <C-O-L-T> not it is not
[07:16] <C-O-L-T> but gtk-gnutella says i have a firewall installed
[07:16] <owner> sudo apt-get uninstall firestarter
[07:17] <C-O-L-T> owner: what to do
[07:18] <owner> you should install iptables and firestarter and unblock all the ports
[07:18] <owner> thats what works for a lot of people
[07:20] <jariep1_> last night I accidentally pressed a combination of key or keys and a window poped up, and i clicked yes or no, then this morning i booted up and i typed my password to login but when i get to desktop keyboard won't type anymore
[07:20] <jariep1_> not sure what i did
[07:20] <jariep1_> no matter what i do the keyboard won't respond
[07:20] <jariep1_> only works on login
[07:21] <jariep1_> some sort of accessibility feature of ubuntu
[07:21] <jariep1_> kubuntu i mean
[07:21] <jariep1_> kde to be specific
[07:21] <reon> %^&%^, My whole display basically just went white....wtf
[07:21] <jariep1_> don't know how to turn it off
[07:22] <reon> I cannot even see the text here?
[07:22] <jariep1_> reon, i'm on another machine
[07:22] <jariep1_> but keyboard is stuck somehow
[07:23] <jariep1_> keyboard works during login
[07:23] <jariep1_> but nothing responds once in k desktop
[07:24] <reon> Hmm, back.
[07:24] <jariep1_> ok
[07:25] <seashell11> jariep1_: did you go to Settings > Peripherals > Keyboard and see if there are any settings that are messed up?
[07:26] <jariep1_> ok just a sec
[07:26] <orion_fr_24> !ssh
[07:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto
[07:30] <jariep1_> seashell , I think I had slow key active
[07:30] <jariep1_> slow keys accessibility feature
[07:30] <jariep1_> just deactivated
[07:33] <seashell11> jariep1_: yea I did that once too, but I couldn't go look how to change it since I just upgraded to kde 3.5, and that happenes to be one of the things that isn't working right  :-S
[07:34] <adventureoflink> I got a problem...
[07:34] <adventureoflink> You know how there's a feature in kde to where you can lock the session and start a new one ?
[07:35] <adventureoflink> Well, I installed ubuntu, then installed the KDE things
[07:35] <adventureoflink> I'm running KDE in ubuntu, and I don't see it
[07:35] <adventureoflink> However, I see the lock session and start a new one option in GNOME
[07:36] <adventureoflink> well
[07:36] <adventureoflink> a switch user option in the lock prompt
[07:38] <seashell11> adventureoflink: are you still using the gnome (gdm) log in manager?
[07:39] <adventureoflink> seashell11,
[07:40] <adventureoflink> Yes.
[07:40] <adventureoflink> Would that be the problem ?
[07:40] <adventureoflink> <3 gdm though.
[07:40] <seashell11> yes, if you install and run kdm i think that should fix the problem
[07:40] <adventureoflink> Ah.
[07:41] <adventureoflink> well, thanks anyway, seashell11
[07:44] <EightieK> how do i install ktorrent?
[07:44] <EightieK> no not ktorrent
[07:44] <mcsteels> hi how can i change me screen resolution ?? wont let me get it any higher than 680x480
[07:45] <EightieK> ok
[07:45] <EightieK> open a konsole
[07:45] <EightieK> type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:45] <EightieK> the drivers and all will be there...
[07:46] <EightieK> also the screen res will be there.
[07:46] <mcsteels> have tried that and still didnt work
[07:46] <EightieK> u need to fix it in there
[07:46] <dark_suic> mcsteels, did you restart x server after changing it?
[07:46] <EightieK> by selecting the res you want and pressing the space bar
[07:46] <EightieK> press Ctrl_alt+backspace
[07:46] <EightieK> lol
[07:47] <boz> I could use some help installing Icecast.  I've downloaded and unpacked the tar what are the commands to build the application?
[07:49] <trispace> boz: normally it's ./configure; make; sudo make install
[07:53] <boz> i got as far as make, and i get make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[07:53] <mcscruff> boz : ther eshould be a readme, or install text to read :)
[07:53] <callie> anyone here familiar with the output of the sensors program? i'd like some help interpterting it
[07:53] <boz> make icecast????
[07:55] <boz> you guys are great,  thanks for helping me unchain myself from microsoft.  but learning linux is like learning Dutch, LOL
[07:55] <mcscruff> you still stuck boz?
[07:55] <boz> yAH
[07:55] <mcscruff> i'll help ya :)
[07:55] <EightieK> how do I know what pkgs i have installed?//
[07:55] <abionnnn> das ist nicht [true]  :P (deutsche, close enough)
[07:55] <boz> THANKS MCSCUFF
[07:56] <reon> Why would kded use 90% of my CPU ???
[07:56] <mcscruff> open terminal
[07:56] <boz> k
[07:56] <callie> EightieK, run adept
[07:56] <mcscruff> boz, then use cd to the unpacked folder
[07:56] <boz> yup
[07:56] <callie> EightieK, uncheck the filters to see only installed packages
[07:57] <mcscruff> now type "./configure"
[07:57] <mcscruff> it should do some crazy stuff
[07:57] <boz> ok
[07:57] <boz> lol ok command not found lol
[07:57] <boz> ; )
[07:57] <mcscruff> can you link me to the tar
[07:57] <mcscruff> and i will have a lil look
[07:58] <boz> no , i meant i typed ok in the konsole instead of the irc window
[07:58] <boz> i'm ready for make
[07:58] <mcscruff> use make :)
[07:59] <boz> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[07:59] <mcscruff> did the configure run any errors?
[07:59] <callie> got that EightieK ?
[07:59] <boz> configure: error: XSLT configuration could not be found
[08:00] <Jaymac> boz
[08:00] <Jaymac> sounds like you need to install some tools
[08:00] <boz> yah jay?
[08:00] <Jaymac> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:00] <mcscruff> have you got things like build-essentail
[08:01] <boz> can i do that from the icecast folder?
[08:01] <Jaymac> boz.. from konsole
[08:01] <boz> yup
[08:01] <Jaymac> you know about updating ubuntu right?
[08:01] <Jaymac> apt-get and all that jazz
[08:01] <boz> a little
[08:01] <Jaymac> right
[08:01] <Jaymac> well you need the build-essential package anyway
[08:02] <boz> i updated through kynaptic yesterday
[08:02] <callie> FYI boz apt commands can be run from any directory location
[08:02] <pollomix> how do to larning music mp3
[08:02] <boz> ok lemme try that
[08:03] <boz> ***build-essential is already the newest version.
[08:04] <boz> thanks callie
[08:04] <boz> i'm learning ; )
[08:04] <callie> aren't we all ;)
[08:05] <totem> hola yo quisiera saber como hacer funcionar superkaramba, ya e intentado abrir varios themes y nada
[08:05] <callie> speak english totem ?
[08:06] <mcscruff> boz, its only the basic tools u need, i just built it :)
[08:06] <laga> callie: he wants to know how to get superkaramba to work. and something about themes which don't work o_O
[08:06] <totem> so so
[08:06] <totem> callie, sos
[08:06] <totem> callie, for what
[08:06] <callie> hello I wanted to know like making work superkaramba, already and tried to open to several themes and nothing
[08:07] <totem> callie, ok
[08:07] <mcscruff> boz , run ./configure again and paste the trminal output into here http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[08:07] <totem> but, what can i do?
[08:08] <totem> callie, why not irc?
[08:08] <boz> i'm getting a lot of nos. i'll meet you over there
[08:09] <callie> i was thinking that kopete supported translations but it doesnt
[08:09] <callie> ok totem, which themes are you trying to use?
[08:10] <callie> el totem, que los temas usted estn intentando utilizar?
[08:11] <mcscruff> boz did you paste it into there ? if so whats the link so i can read
[08:12] <Traumkiste> I just installed kubuntu for the 7th time.  Learning something new every time.   Now I am up and running in KDE. I am ready to mount my old reiserfs partition - (old  /home)  How do I mount a partiton
[08:12] <boz> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/524380
[08:12] <Traumkiste> please give me a  pointer
[08:13] <totem> first, i try to open superkaramba then try to open any .theme and enter, but dont work
[08:13] <callie> Traumkiste, create a mount point . sudo mkdir /media/oldhome or something
[08:13] <laga> !mount
[08:13] <ubotu> mount is probably the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[08:13] <Traumkiste> thanks callie and laga !
[08:14] <callie> that link should get you there Traumkiste
[08:15] <callie> Traumkiste, ist 'dream kiss' auf english? nein?
[08:15] <boz> Mcscruff i gotta walk around and clear my head BRB, thanks again
[08:15] <mcscruff> np
[08:15] <callie> ah nein, kiste ist 'box'
[08:16] <Traumkiste> lots of stuff to learn, boz ;-)
[08:16] <Traumkiste> Dreambox
[08:16] <DjDarkman> hy ,my krusader exits with this eror in the console QLayout "unnamed" added to ListPanel "unnamed", which already has a layout ,can someone help me?
[08:16] <callie> yah
[08:16] <Traumkiste> get one :-)
[08:16] <callie> link me Traumkiste
[08:17] <conn> does anyone here have intel extreme graphics 2?
[08:17] <Traumkiste> callie, what does "link me" mean?
[08:18] <callie> Traumkiste, give me a URL
[08:18] <DjDarkman> my krusader exits with this eror in the console QLayout "unnamed" added to ListPanel "unnamed", which already has a layout ,can someone help me?
[08:18] <Traumkiste> ok, doh, one minute
[08:19] <callie> its cool, your english is much better than my Deutche
[08:20] <totem> please somebody helpme
[08:20] <Traumkiste> callie, your Deutsch is pretty good.  Here is the link: http://www.dreamboxnorthamerica.com/
[08:20] <Traumkiste> that's only one link.  try google "Dreambox, sattelite"
[08:21] <EightieK> callie no
[08:21] <strtok> hrm
[08:21] <strtok> i just installed kubuntu
[08:21] <strtok> and ethereal is not in the package list
[08:21] <callie> EightieK, whats up? where are you stuck?
[08:21] <strtok> is there something i've done wrong?
[08:22] <sampan> strtok  no, you just need to enable the repos.
[08:22] <strtok> oh
[08:22] <strtok> yeah
[08:22] <strtok> i found the ubuntu guide
[08:22] <sampan> hehe use the following link from the bot
[08:22] <sampan> !repositories
[08:22] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:22] <strtok> woo
[08:22] <strtok> thanks
[08:22] <sampan> (assuming you're using breezy, that is)
[08:23] <sampan> sure np
[08:23] <EightieK> i know its installed i just dunno how to run it
[08:23] <strtok> yes, i am
[08:23] <EightieK> there not on the menu.
[08:23] <strtok> i am very impressed also
[08:23] <strtok> :P
[08:24] <callie> EightieK, have you tried restarting x?
[08:24] <callie> sometimes menus dont update
[08:24] <callie> alternatly you could run the program from the command line or Konsole
[08:25] <EightieK> ya
[08:25] <callie> look at him go!
[08:27] <boz> OK Back Mcscruff
[08:27] <mcscruff> check pm
[08:27] <mcscruff> :)
[08:29] <boz> i don't see a pm anywhere mcsrcuff
[08:30] <sampan> mcscruff isn't identified with services so he can't send pm's on freenode
[08:30] <mcscruff> :O
[08:30] <sampan> !register
[08:30] <ubotu> register is, like, totally, type /msg nickserv help register (you probably should do this in the server window so that if you mess up you won't reveal your password to the whole channel :))
[08:31] <boz> lol tipt of the day: don't hit the little red x
[08:31] <mcscruff> identified now
[08:31] <sampan> sometimes it's the simplest things :D
[08:31] <mcscruff> boz, you need libxslt1.1 and the dev package
[08:32] <boz> sudo apt-get libxslt1.1??
[08:32] <mcscruff> yep or adept
[08:32] <Tm_T> boz: +install ;)
[08:32] <mcscruff> sudo apt-get install libxslt1.1
[08:32] <mcscruff> sudo apt-get install libxslt1-dev
[08:32] <mcscruff> :)
[08:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:33] <mcscruff> brb
[08:34] <tristan> hi all
[08:34] <tristan> i have a problem, anyone can help?
[08:35] <tristan> i have installed kubuntu on a laptop and on installing it has recognized my pcmcia wi-fi card
[08:35] <tristan> but when i have restarted i hasn't
[08:35] <tristan> any idea?
[08:37] <boz> ok done.  and when i run ./config again i get this : configure: error: must have Ogg Vorbis v1.0 or above installed
[08:37] <Aapzak> anyone using a rt2500 pcmcia card?
[08:38] <DjDarkman> why do i get errors like this ? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net breezy-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_breezy-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)]
[08:39] <owner> djdarkman, those backports repos must be down
[08:39] <owner> you can comment it out with # in sources.list
[08:39] <DjDarkman> and can someone help me with a serious krusader bug?
[08:40] <owner> go ahead
[08:40] <DjDarkman> when i go to /home/djdarkman/ it exits with an error
[08:41] <DjDarkman> it never done this before
[08:41] <owner> thats weird
[08:41] <owner> can you cd to /home/djdarkman
[08:41] <tristan> any idea about the wi-fi matter?
[08:42] <DjDarkman> owner: i can access it with anything
[08:42] <DjDarkman> only krusader exits
[08:42] <owner> try running krusader from a terminal
[08:43] <owner> and see what error message it prints out
[08:43] <owner> in term
[08:43] <DjDarkman> ohhh i think i found the problem owner do you know where can i do a detaild bug report?
[08:43] <keherman> ANyone know why Konqueror crashes when I save my password into my KDE wallet?
[08:43] <keherman> this must be a common bug
[08:45] <owner> djdarkman, ubuntu bugzilla?
[08:45] <owner> ive never filed any bugs lol
[08:45] <owner> !bugzilla
[08:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu's bugzilla ( http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ) is now closed to new bugs.  The new bugtracker is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[08:45] <gamma> dapper is quite broken
[08:46] <owner> lol gamma
[08:47] <gamma> can't get ndiswrapper or nvidia working and adept just doesn't want to not crash
[08:49] <feistel> hi
[08:49] <feistel> I have a problem with a pendrive
[08:49] <feistel> when I plug them, Kubuntu mount correctly in /media/KINGSTON
[08:50] <feistel> but konqueror can't show the content, because try to look in media:/ , and not in /media/KINGSTON
[08:50] <feistel> any suggest?
[08:52] <dark_suic> mmm u tried writing /media/KINGSTON in konqueror instead of other things? it should work O__o
[08:53] <sampan> feistal, many people seem to have that bug (/media is empty in konq).  so far as i've seen in this channel, there is no fix for it.  but you should be able to navigate manually to /media/KINGSTON/ in konq still
[08:53] <conn> hi, does anyone know where a lof of the exact text that the splash screen shows can be found?
[08:54] <conn> *log
[08:54] <sampan> konq always auto-opens to an empty /media for me ... but my usb drives are actually still mounted and accessible if i use regular file manager mode
[08:56] <feistel> I have 2 PCs with Kubuntu
[08:57] <feistel> I the firts I plug the pendrive, Kubuntu mount and konq show the content
[08:57] <feistel> I the second, I plug the pendrive, Kubuntu mount but konq don't show the content
[08:57] <sampan> feistel, yep. it's a bug that only seems to affect some people/systems.  for some people it works flawlessly, for others it doesn't.
[08:57] <feistel> I have the same version of kubuntu
[08:58] <feistel> whyyy??
[08:58] <sampan> you'd have to ask the developers
[08:58] <sampan> or look on the bug reports ... it's such a minor thing (to me) that i've never bothered to do so.
[09:00] <feistel> ok thanks!
[09:00] <boz> ***checking for libogg... not found   checking for libvorbis... not found*** can anyone help for the aptget command for these libs?
[09:00] <mcscruff> back
[09:00] <mcscruff> boz, did it compile?
[09:01] <boz> mcscruff now i get this: configure: error: must have Ogg Vorbis v1.0 or above installed
[09:01] <mcscruff> hehehe, have you not got the codecs?
[09:02] <boz> lol evidentally not
[09:02] <mcscruff> to ge tthem i used a program called aitomatrix , it can install dvd , ogg vorbis and mp3 , avi codecs
[09:02] <boz> can i get them through kynaptic?
[09:02] <mcscruff> nope
[09:02] <mcscruff> well u can
[09:02] <mcscruff> but you need to add a line to sources.list
[09:03] <sampan> !automatix
[09:03] <ubotu> somebody said automatix was messy, it breaks security guidelines. In short: You should not use it! !easyubuntu is a safer alternative, however it is much better to simply read documentation
[09:03] <mcscruff> i like automatrix :)
[09:03] <sampan> lots of busted boxes from automatix ... use easybuntu instead
[09:03] <Xemanth^^> i like matrix
[09:04] <boz> i used automatix the other day. should i run it again???
[09:04] <sampan> *shrug*  just because you guys got lucky, doesn't make it safe or advisable -- lots of people have had to do lots of repair (or even full reinstalls) because of automatix
[09:05] <boz> i don't want to get into the politics i just want to get icecast up and running! lol
[09:05] <mcscruff> it did break one of my kde packages
[09:05] <sampan> rather than spend days finding all the crap it busted on my box, i just saved time and did a full reinstall
[09:05] <mcscruff> boz, find the program easyubuntu and install them :)
[09:05] <boz> k thanks
[09:05] <sampan> easybuntu has a channel --and they're usually very helpful
[09:07] <keherman> how do I set the desktop clock to 12 hour mode from 24 hour mode?
[09:15] <dark_suic> how can i send reports about dapper?
[09:19] <dark_suic> wops, seen it, nevermind
[09:24] <eidolon> hey folks i s something up with the kubuntu mirrors?
[09:24] <eidolon> apt-get update / apt-get upgrade is getting me 404 errors.
[09:24] <eidolon> Errhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libasound2 1.0.10-2ubuntu1
[09:24] <eidolon>   404 Not Found
[09:25] <pollox> hi
[09:25] <pollox> where is /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf on kubuntu ?
[09:25] <sampan> eidolon  breezy mirrors seem fine to me (just did apt-get update) -- maybe dapper repos are being updated and so are temporarily unavailable?
[09:26] <eidolon> i suppose... i'll give it a bit and try again.
[09:26] <eidolon> but nothing 'known' atm?
[09:26] <sampan> not that i've seen in here -- but maybe the MOTUs and devs "know"
[09:28] <Xemanth^^> to what file should I put all my files which I want to run in boot? like wlan config...
[09:31] <EightiesK> ne1 know how to make the kmenu open by pressing the win key?
[09:31] <DJ_Mer1> can someone help me?
[09:33] <DJ_Mer1> okay.....
[09:33] <sampan> eightiesk  if you do kdesu kcontrol ... then select region and accessibility ... then keyboard shortcuts and/or khotkeys, you should be able to set that there (somehow) -- might take some playing around on your part
[09:33] <sampan> !helpme
[09:33] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[09:34] <DJ_Mer1> i am trying to run shoutcast from a remote location... ./sc_serv... but if i close the terminal window when i am done, it shuts down the server
[09:34] <EightiesK> i thought with katapult
[09:34] <DJ_Mer1> how can i load the server into the background so i can terminate the window?
[09:39] <EightiesK> sampan, i don't see ne thing :-(
[09:39] <EightiesK> http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=3356011&m_id=32&srccode=cii_14110944&cpncode=11-5982888-2
[09:42] <JohnFlux_> heyal
[09:44] <JohnFlux> Hey all, again
[09:45] <huhmz> Hello. It seems dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't work in dapper, how do I change locales in dapper?
[09:45] <JohnFlux> How do I set multiple ip's  to a network card ?
[09:45] <JohnFlux> i remember being able to have  eth0:0  and eth0:1  etc
[09:45] <JohnFlux> although doing ifconfig eth0:1  up    doesn't work
[09:46] <JohnFlux> how do I get multiple eth0 interfaces to give seperate ip's to?
[09:47] <huhmz> johnflux: that should work, try assigning it an ip: ifconfig eth0:1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[09:49] <JohnFlux> huhmz: ohyeah that does work :)  I just gave up too early
[09:49] <JohnFlux> huhmz: thanks :)
[09:55] <DJ_Mer1> perhaps someone will willingly help me now... I am running a shoutcast server. I forgot to turn it on when i left my house, so i am using putty to turn it on. "./sc_serv" will only stay running if the terminal window is left open... how can I set it to run in background so I can close the window
[09:56] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: you may use screen
[09:57] <rrichie> hi all
[09:57] <rrichie> i just dist-upgrade to dapper but it seems my kernel modules don't work anymore
[09:59] <trappist> rrichie: you'll have to recompile them
[09:59] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: how do i do that
[09:59] <rrichie> it is an ubuntu kernel installed with apt-get
[09:59] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: NOHUP ./sc_serv &
[09:59] <dark_suic> DJ_Mer1, you could try ./sc_serv &
[10:00] <trappist> rrichie: what kernel modules are you talking about?
[10:00] <rrichie> seems most of my usb devices don't work anymore
[10:00] <rrichie> as if usb-ohci wasn't modprobed
[10:00] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: or even better, run it in a screen: screen -S shoutcast... then run ./sc_serv... then ctrl-a d to detach, and screen -x shoutcast to reattach later
[10:01] <trappist> rrichie: is it listed in lsmod?
[10:01] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: screen is like a terminal you can detach from. but if you want to simply run a program in background its a little bit overkill (especially if you don't need to interface with the programm).
[10:01] <DJ_Mer1> ahhh
[10:01] <rrichie> no
[10:01] <trappist> rrichie: how about `modprobe usb-ohci`?
[10:02] <rrichie> i've just tried uhci-hcd and it seems better
[10:02] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: its wanting me to run it as root
[10:02] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: to run shoutcast as root?  don't do that.
[10:02] <rrichie> it seems that all the modules i wrote in /etc/modules are not launched
[10:03] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: like trappist said: don't run programs as root unless you know what you are doing
[10:03] <trappist> rrichie: this is probably the part where I say "dapper is not even beta, not even alpha, is usually broken, and is totally unsupported."
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i don't run anything under root
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> i figured out what you were talking aobut
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> and it looks like its working
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: its working now, thank you
[10:04] <trispace> DJ_Mer: you're welcome
[10:04] <rrichie> trappist : is there another way to put the modules i want to be launched at boot ?
[10:04] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: now i can do that at home too to make it run without an open terminal window right?
[10:08] <rrichie> yeah resolved
[10:08] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: if you use screen, yes. First you open a screen, launch the program, detach the screen session, later on you may login and do a screen -r to resume the detached session
[10:09] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: using screen I run my irc client from home and never close it.  I reattach from work or wherever I am.  it's great :)
[10:09] <jonatan> hey I need some help, I install a game (sillypoker) and I don't see it anywhere
[10:09] <sampan> trispace  can you restart X and then still recover your screen session?  (like irssi running in screen -- restart x -- and then recover the screen/irssi session?)
[10:09] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: if you simply move the program to the background with "&" it gets "earned" by init
[10:09] <trispace> sampan: sure
[10:10] <trappist> sampan: yes, the screen session persists unless you kill it, either manually or by rebooting or whatever
[10:10] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i've tried that, it doesn't do anything.
[10:10] <jonatan> can any1 help me?
[10:10] <sampan> trispace and trappist  neato!  i'd heard something like that -- but nice to know how to do it!  :)  once or twice i've restarted X without killing the screen session and been "horrified" to realize my screen/irssi was still connected, but i dind't know how to recover them
[10:10] <trappist> jonatan: dpkg -L sillypoker | grep bin
[10:10] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i run it as "./sc_serv &" and it doesn't go to background
[10:11] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: do you have detached it with Ctrl-a d
[10:11] <DJ_Mer1> no, i've never tried that
[10:11] <jonatan> do I type that on the termina??
[10:11] <trispace> sampan: hehe, screen is a handy tool :)
[10:11] <DJ_Mer1> either way, the way you made me do it trispace is working right now.
[10:11] <sampan> trispace  learn something new everyday!  :D
[10:11] <trispace> sampan: yeah, thats what the community is for :)
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: so to re-access my window, i hit control-X
[10:12] <trappist> sampan: there's a lot more you can do with screen.  for example, you can have several things going on on other screens, have multiuser screens with more than one client attached, etc.  it's pretty much the coolest app ever written.
[10:12] <DjDarkPingvin> hy ,what do i have to install to be able to also use gnome with kubuntu?
[10:12] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: with screen?
[10:12] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: screen -x
[10:12] <jonatan> trappist: how do I run the program?
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> oh okay
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: and there it is!!! lol
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i love you :-D
[10:13] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: :)
[10:13] <sampan> trappist, sounds like i should do some man reading -- very nifty!  :D
[10:13] <trappist> jonatan: my first guess would be to run 'sillypoker' from the command line, but the results of the dpkg command would tell you for sure
[10:13] <jonatan> roger
[10:13] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: the entire reason i converted to linux was stability and out-of-location access to it.
[10:13] <jonatan> how do I run it from the command line?
[10:13] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: after 3 weeks i've gotten pretty good.
[10:13] <trispace> sampan: read the screen manual and you'll be excited :)
[10:14] <jonatan> how do I run it from the command line?
[10:14] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: nice to hear that linux suits you :)
[10:14] <trappist> sampan: I run an irc client (with bitlbee) in one window, mutt in another, and I have shells in other windows, so I just ctrl-a (window #) to move around, and do all my work and play in one place
[10:15] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: it always has
[10:15] <trispace> trappist: somebody says: its like X for the console :)
[10:15] <trappist> trispace: what I'd rather see is screen for X :)
[10:15] <trispace> trappist: well, ratpoison is close to that
[10:15] <trappist> meh.  sorta.
[10:17] <trappist> and if you run Eterm (as all the cool guys do) you can use Escreen to get nice clicky buttons for all the screen operations
[10:17] <rrichie> *so i'm under with dapper and kde 3.5.1 and it works quite well except some little problems with kernel modules
[10:17] <trispace> trappist: but the drawback with x applications is that WMs like ratpoison or wmii are not able to handle each application properly, in this case console applications are way easier to setup with screen
[10:18] <trispace> btw: sorry for my horrible english
[10:19] <laga> your english is excellent :)
[10:19] <trappist> trispace: I'm talking about something where I can just attach to an X session the way I'd attach to a screen session remotely, without having to use some horrible protocol like vnc and where I can have an arbitrary number of desktop-like sessions that I can easily switch among
[10:19] <trispace> laga: nah :)
[10:20] <trappist> trispace: it's better than most of the native speakers in here :)
[10:20] <sampan> trappist, that's very very cool... definitely man pages time for me
[10:21] <trispace> trappist: yeah, i know what you mean. I don't know if NX or stuff like that are going in this direction
[10:21] <trappist> sampan: the man page is great, but doesn't really do it justice.  find a nice screen howto on google.
[10:21] <boz> mcscruff?  i found the ogg and vorbis codecs and downloaded them to my home folder where do i need to compile these at now?
[10:23] <boz> oops hes not here... Callie
[10:23] <callie> whats up boz ?
[10:24] <boz> where should i put the libogg and libvorbis files at?
[10:24] <trispace> sampan: hint: look out for some nice "caption always" settings :)
[10:24] <callie> boz, why are you not using adept?
[10:25] <boz> i couldn't find them in adept? maybe i'm not looking in the right plasce
[10:25] <callie> boz you need to most likely update your apt.sources file
[10:25] <callie> !apt
[10:25] <ubotu> apt is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[10:25] <callie> !apt.sources
[10:25] <ubotu> callie: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:25] <callie> lol
[10:25] <boz> lmao
[10:26] <callie> !repositories
[10:26] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:26] <boz> k thanks again off i go.......
[10:26] <callie> check those out boz learning how to set up adept will save you alot of bother in the end
[10:26] <boz> too late, lol
[10:27] <callie> know the feeling, keep at it though
[10:27] <boz> i'm already bothered
[10:27] <boz> thaNKS AGAIN!
[10:27] <callie> where you from boz?
[10:27] <boz> Kansas does that make a difference, lol
[10:28] <callie> not really
[10:28] <boz> whewww
[10:28] <boz> ; )
[10:28] <callie> 'we're off to see the wizard' la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:28] <boz> yah i feel like an oompha lumpa
[10:29] <callie> thats a different film boz
[10:29] <callie> lol
[10:29] <callie> Dorothy in the wizard of oz was from Kansas, thats why i thought of it
[10:30] <boz> wow humboldt is where i'm from
[10:30] <laptop> im using kubuntu 5.10 breezy and i need help with the madwifi installation, i already followed the wiki with no luck, can someone please help
[10:30] <boz> yah i follow ... just ghot the little feller confused...
[10:30] <callie> ehehee
[10:31] <callie> is that apt.sources list stuff making sense
[10:31] <callie> ?
[10:31] <boz> yah i was using kynaptic before but adept seems easier
[10:32] <callie> oh yeah
[10:32] <callie> they both do the same thing
[10:32] <callie> but adept is a bit more simplified
[10:32] <callie> which is good enough for me
[10:33] <callie> anyway i got some tidying up to do and some laundry! fun! msg me if ya need a hand
[10:34] <boz> alot easier than banging my head on the konsole.  I'd like to have a dollar for everytime i've type config instead of configure
[10:34] <boz> thanks callie i appreciate the help
[10:39] <rrichie> re all
[10:40] <rrichie> Error: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[10:40] <rrichie> are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is
[10:40] <rrichie> installed correctly.
[10:40] <rrichie> when i try sudo nvidia-glx-config enable it says
[10:56] <hDp`> et.Merc NoW NoW
[10:58] <laptop> im using kubuntu 5.10 breezy and i need help with the madwifi installation, i already followed the wiki with no luck, can someone please help
[10:58] <ilba7r> laptop do you need an ndiswrapper
[10:59] <laptop> no its an atheros cipset
[10:59] <ilba7r> or is your card natively supported
[10:59] <ilba7r> !atheros
[10:59] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, ilba7r
[10:59] <ilba7r> i think there was something on the forums on atheros
[11:00] <laptop> natively, im pretty sure, the card came with a home-made cd with the drivers but im not sure how to use it
[11:01] <ilba7r> laptop, i remember that atheros need a special setup i seen it on the forums. you might check there
[11:01] <ilba7r> for wifi i would recommend networkmanager
[11:01] <ilba7r> works perfectly here
[11:01] <ilba7r> !wireless
[11:01] <ubotu> from memory, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:03] <ilba7r> says here work out of the box no tweeking needed. Sorry can not help you laptop
[11:03] <laptop> that list says it "just works" :\ thx anyways
[11:08] <halibut> I have a harddrive and when I right click on the files on the drive and select properties it says 20GB, but when I look at the drive in GParted it says 30GB is used?! THere are no hidden files, why is this?
[11:12] <callie> how goes it boz?
[11:13] <ilba7r> :)
[11:13] <callie> ahuman01, he left
[11:13] <callie> gah
[11:14] <callie> too used to always hitting tab
[11:16] <keherman> there is a bug with Konqueror and the wallet when saving passwords!
[11:16] <keherman> http://www.arkania.org/~benzer/index.php?p=166&c=1
[11:16] <keherman> i rant into it in latest Kubuntu, but is there afix?
[11:16] <callie> yeah, dont use the wallet
[11:17] <keherman> callie, but i have this lab setup for 300+ users!
[11:17] <callie> eeek
[11:17] <keherman> callie, how can i make sure they dont run into that problem?
[11:17] <keherman> they will all be using Kubuntu
[11:17] <callie> disable the wallet?
[11:17] <keherman> callie, yes, or make sure the users dont encounter the bug?
[11:18] <callie> surely disabling that would be the surest way of acomplishing that?
[11:18] <keherman> callie, how to disable it globally for all users?
[11:18] <callie> remove it
[11:19] <keherman> callie, what is the package?
[11:19] <callie> sudo apt get remove kwalletmanager
[11:19] <keherman> callie, youre a genius!
[11:19] <callie> sudo apt-get remove kwalletmanager
[11:19] <keherman> callie, does everyone hate the wallet or something?
[11:19] <callie> i just dont trust it
[11:19] <callie> eggs in one basket
[11:20] <keherman> :-)
[11:20] <callie> i dont even use a wallet in real life
[11:20] <callie> for the very same reason
[11:20] <keherman> lol
[11:21] <callie> you're a teacher keherman ?
[11:21] <keherman> callie, no :-)  student
[11:21] <keherman> callie, you whois me?
[11:22] <callie> nope
[11:22] <callie> but your host is a give away
[11:22] <keherman> hehe
[11:23] <callie> university of massachusettes?
[11:23] <keherman> yea
[11:23] <keherman> OpenDocument all the way!
[11:23] <callie> excuse the spelling, im a brit
[11:24] <callie> so what you going to be doing with kubuntu? or just using it for general desktop stuff?
[11:24] <keherman> callie, apt wont let me just remove onlt the kwalletmanager -- it wants to remove all of kubuntu-desktop as well?~?~?~
[11:24] <callie> ah
[11:25] <keherman> callie, we have a lab with 300+ users
[11:25] <keherman> they will be using the *buntu tools
[11:25] <keherman> we have kde, gnome, xfce, fluxbox, and wmaker on here
[11:26] <Sokzero> Hello
[11:26] <callie> perhaps it would be best to remove kubuntu dektop and build your own kde environment, minus the kwallet
[11:27] <keherman> callie, so how can i just get rid of kwalletmanager?
[11:27] <Sokzero> I've installed the server version of Ubuntu and now i would like to install Kubuntu, but it wont work.
[11:27] <keherman> callie, too late for that!
[11:27] <callie> not really
[11:27] <callie> wouldnt take long
[11:27] <keherman> callie, i have this image pristine to the lab environment -- but only has the konq bug to fix!
[11:27] <keherman> callie, there are many other custom packages isntalled as well, so it would take a while
[11:27] <callie> kubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[11:28] <keherman> callie, of course, but building it now, and then keeping it updated will be much effort
[11:28] <Sokzero> I think its my internet, i linked my Ubuntu Pc to my Windows Pc by Cross-Cable and static ip's. But that wont work
[11:29] <Sokzero> So hoe do i change static to DHCP without installing Ubuntu agian?
[11:29] <Sokzero> And than i mean in a shell or however you call it, because i have no graphics now
[11:30] <callie> keherman, http://lists.csociety.org/pipermail/kde-freebsd/2003-December/006389.html
[11:31] <LoneCanuk> hey - are there any wireless gurus in here that would like to spare a few min to help a linux newby set up his usb WLAN card?  (Its the d-link USB wifi reciever)
[11:32] <callie> thats all i can come up with keherman, you may be able to scipt something to alter everyones configs to do that too
[11:33] <reon> Help, my sound no longer works
[11:33] <LoneCanuk> I been trying to read up so I wouldnt have to ask, but a lot of stuff is way to technical for me.  I did manage to install the ndiswrapper and the drivers with help from some kind folks in another linux room.  The problem Im facing is, my hardware does not show up in the network-admin.  I only see the ethernet and modem hardware.
[11:34] <reon> LoneCanuk, go to Ubuntuforums Networking section and search for post by Lambert
[11:34] <reon> also look at his signature for info
[11:35] <LoneCanuk> recon:  thanks, i will do that right now
[11:35] <LoneCanuk> :)
[11:35] <callie> good luck keherman
[11:35] <sven-tek> in what paket is kcompmgr?
[11:35] <callie> sven-tek, man kcompmgr
[11:35] <sven-tek> i dont have it
[11:36] <callie> !kcompmgr
[11:36] <ubotu> callie: I haven't a clue
[11:36] <keherman> callie, thanks for the advice
[11:37] <callie> no worries
[11:37] <callie> right im off for a bit
[11:39] <sorush20> guys I'm unable to access root at the system settings any idea/s the options in file sharing are not active even whn I type in the root password?
[11:41] <laptop> when i type iwconfig, kubuntu wont even see my card (ath0) why?
[11:42] <laptop> it just l0, eth0, and sit0 (no wireless extentions)
[11:43] <sorush20> laptop: try iwconfig for wireless card? what is the make of your card anyways?
[11:43] <dark_suic> sorush20, try kdesu systemsettings
[11:43] <sorush20> you need to install it via ndiswrapper
[11:43] <sorush20> dark_suic: I did that no use
[11:43] <laptop> proxim 8470-WD atheros
[11:43] <dark_suic> sorush20, then try kdesu kcontrol
[11:43] <dark_suic> i don't like system settings at all :P
[11:44] <dark_suic> i prefer kcontrol
[11:44] <laptop> iwcongif says the same
[11:44] <laptop> *iwconfig
[11:44] <vge> kcontrol powns
[11:44] <meple> hello  folks. I just installed Kubuntu for the first time and Im a little confused
[11:44] <meple> installer didnt let me choose root password
[11:45] <vge> there is none
[11:45] <meple> so what is it by defualt?
[11:45] <meple> oh
[11:45] <meple> no that doesnt work
[11:45] <meple> if I do: su
[11:45] <laptop> i tried 3 cards from the store, didnt work, so i bought this one online, supposed to work, doesnt :(
[11:45] <meple> then no pass i says failed
[11:45] <meple> and I cant reboot the system without being root
[11:46] <vge> if you really want it "sudo chpasswd root"
[11:46] <meple> well the thing is the system wont let reboot if Im not root
[11:47] <meple> so I dont really have a choice
[11:47] <meple> it tells me I have to be superuser to use the command: shutdown -r now
[11:47] <vge> use "sudo" in front of the command
[11:47] <meple> oh I see
[11:47] <vge> it's like "do as root but dont change to root"
[11:48] <meple> oh so thats how it works. thx mate
[11:48] <vge> so basically no changing to root needed
[11:49] <meple> yeah pretty smart. thx again
[11:52] <orion_fr_24> I need help to create redirection rule with ipfw
[11:52] <orion_fr_24> anybody can help me ?
[11:54] <slow-motion> n8
[11:54] <reon> Where does KDE keep the volume buttom ?
[11:54] <Stele> question - how do i download/install a specific version of the kernel linux-headers for a specific kernel version, from the commandline?
[11:55] <Skrot> Stele: apt-get install linux-headers-<yourversion>
[11:55] <Stele> thanks
[11:55] <Skrot> apt-cache search linux-headers-<yourversion> to see which are avalible
[11:56] <Skrot> (e.g apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.15)
[11:56] <sorush20> unable to start file sharing any idea/s I still can't get the buttons in kcontrol or systemsetting to become active for file sharing.
[11:56] <reon> not to worry, found the applet
[11:56] <Tm_T> sorush20: what filesharing
[11:56] <vge> reon: name of that applett?
[11:57] <reon> vge, sound mixer
[11:58] <Tm_T> kmixer is just fine
[11:58] <reon> Tm_T, my laptop is different and just has a volume icon
[11:59] <orion_fr_24> I need help to create redirection rule with ipfw
[11:59] <orion_fr_24> !ipfw
[11:59] <ubotu> orion_fr_24: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:00] <dark_suic> what kind of help, orion_fr_24
[12:00] <dark_suic> what kind of redirection u need?


[00:30] <nhaines> ianorlyn: yup, the intial print and setup costs can be really high for traditional print runs.
[00:30] <nhaines> akk: I published the video of my publishing talk today.  :)  https://youtu.be/FCi4GAdBxJY
[00:30] <darthrobot> [R: www.youtube.com] Title: [Nathan Haines – Writing and Publishing Books with - YouTube]
[00:31] <akk> excellent, nhaines! Thanks, I'll look at it in a few days (I have a talk tomorrow that's taking up too much time now).
[00:33] <nhaines> akk: ooh, what's it about?
[00:34] <akk> Not computers ... it's a planetarium show for the local nature center. First time, the husband is helping.
[00:34] <akk> We're going to try to do it as "star talk", like car talk, joking with each other and interrupting each other and such.
[00:34] <akk> Planetarium shows tend to be kinda boring so we're hoping to spice it up a little.
[00:37] <nhaines> Ooh, that sounds awesome.
[02:34] <nhaines> Who wants to post my publishing video on reddit in /r/Ubuntu and /r/linux?
[03:17] <nhandler> nhaines: Sure
[03:21] <nhaines> nhandler: cool, thanks!  Still https://youtu.be/FCi4GAdBxJY
[03:21] <darthrobot> [R: www.youtube.com] Title: [Nathan Haines – Writing and Publishing Books with Free Software - YouTube]
[03:21] <nhaines> I'm planning to spam my book once it's published so I'm trying to lay low on the self-promotion until then.  :)
[03:22] <nhandler> nhaines: Submitted to both subreddits
[03:22] <nhaines> nhandler: much obliged!
[03:23] <nhandler> I also poked the person at work who handles hosting community group events. She said she would get back to me ASAP about the release party (I asked about Friday the 23rd since the 22nd already has an event)
[03:23] <nhaines> Ooh, Fridays and Saturdays are good party days anyway because it gives everyone a time to burn discs.
[03:24] <nhandler> I would have gone for the weekend, but I have a feeling that would have required jumping through more hoops
[03:32] <nhaines> Friday still seems a better bet than Thursday.
[04:12] <nhandler> nhaines: Agreed. Does Canonical still do LoCo packs for release parties? Or did those go away?
[04:12] <ianorlyn> I think he needed to get an answer by Thursday but that was in the meeting logs
[04:13] <nhaines> nhandler: they do, but they want a 4 week lead time.    It technically has to come from pleia2, although they know me and process things anyway.
[04:14] <nhandler> Hmm...Let me toss up a placeholder loco.ubuntu.com event first
[04:21] <nhandler> Placeholder event: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/3203-san-francisco-wily-release-party/
[04:21] <darthrobot> Title: [San Francisco Wily Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[04:26] <nhandler> Form submitted
[04:27] <nhaines> Yay!
[13:45] <philipballew> currently on the Capitol Corridor.
[13:45] <philipballew> I should ride this thing more often
[18:08] <nhaines> Well, just got off a conference call, and Ubucon planning is so far so good.
[18:09] <ianorlyn> nhaines: is there a way I can get in on the loop as well?
[18:13] <nhaines> ianorlyn: we're having another conference call minus Gareth and Ilan from SCALE on Thursday, from 10 to 11am.  That'd be a good time to bring you in.  If you can send me your Google account I'll have David Planella add you to the Hangouts call.
[18:15] <pleia2> nhaines: already! how exciting :)
[18:15] <nhaines> pleia2: yup, we have ambitious plans this year.  :)
[18:21]  * nhandler is hoping to possibly make it down to SCALE
[18:22] <nhaines> nhandler: I can't say more yet, but you're really going to want to make it this year.
[18:25] <nhandler> nhaines: It is mainly a matter of figuring out how many days (if any) I can afford to take off of work for a trip south. But I would love to do SCALE+Disney Land+Visit with friends/family down there
[18:25] <DonkeyHotei> nhandler: so you're up here?
[18:27] <nhandler> DonkeyHotei: I moved from Chicago to San Francisco about a month ago
[18:28] <nhaines> Now tab completion will forever be broken.
[18:29] <akk> It'll be in Pasadena this time, not LAX, right?
[18:29] <nhaines> Correct!
[18:29] <akk> Yay. I'll probably try to make it this year. (Now to think of a good talk proposal topic ...)
[18:29] <nhaines> Yay!
[18:35] <akk> Ooh, and it's Jan, not Feb. Even better! Perfect time to visit friends near Pasadena.
[18:40] <ianorlyn> although this may have better food so stuart langridge doesn't die from eating too much Carl's junior
[18:42] <nhaines> The food options are going to be way better.
[18:54] <akk> The everything options will be. :)
[18:54] <akk> (except for ease of travel from LAX, admittedly)
[18:54] <nhaines> Certainly the "I think I shall go for a stroll" options will be.  :)
[18:59] <akk> Oh, wow, and it's really close to a rail station.
[18:59] <akk> So even the public transit options are way better.
[19:00] <akk> (openstreetmap shows it nicely, couldn't figure it out from google maps)
[19:01] <nhaines> Yeah, other than travel, it really is super better in every way.
[19:02] <akk> Maybe a lot of the flyers can fly into Burbank instead, then it'll be better for them too.
[19:08] <nhaines> Or even Ontario.
[19:12] <ianorlyn> akk: or people that live closer to LAX than passadena
[19:13] <akk> I'm sure there are some of those. But even then, you'd have to live a lot closer to make up for driving around looking for parking (even if you pay the big bucks).
[19:14] <akk> Even paying for the hotel parking, and even with a handicap placard, I bet we spent 20-30 minutes dealing with parking each day.
[19:21] <nhaines> The preferred hotel for SCALE 14x is the Westin.  The Sheraton wasn't willing to do a group rate.  But we'll see how they feel after they see the 5000 people not staying there.


[08:30] <user|96> Hello, used proton vpn for several years with mint cinnamon but now gnome desktop has to be installed, proton vpn doesn't even appear in the menu, so is unusable. Obviously i use terminal for the install, this command: sudo apt install libayatana-appindicator3-1 gir1.2-ayatanaappindicator3-0.1 gnome-shell-extension-appindicator indicates
[08:34] <user|96> oops! The extension seems to install but hangs instead of completes. A screen appears saying to disable default monitor, which i can't as i just have one monitor in use and terminal is unusable. Wondering if kubuntu is compatible with proton vpn.
[08:35] <user|96> i have the proprietary version, not the free one.
[12:53] <cezarb> How ?
[12:53] <cezarb> Are you new to linux ? Cause I am !
[13:13] <user|78> Привет всем. При установке Calibre произошла ошибка. Не могу переустановить. Выдаёт ошибку. Kubuntu 23.10. Устанавливал через Discover. Не помню, что нужно прописать в терминале.
[13:15] <diogenes_Vx15> !ru
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all


[08:56] <daxroc> Morning
[08:57] <daxroc> Anyone use heartbeat+pacemaker here ?
[20:40] <Tigerplug292> evening all
[20:40] <Tigerplug292> Just wondering how I can get involved in Ubuntu-ie ?
[21:04] <ebel> Hello
[21:04] <ebel> Tigerplug292: well we're quite an ad-hoc group
[21:04] <ebel> Tigerplug292: we hold regular events, e.g. Ubuntu hours every month, we'll have a release party soon
[21:05] <ebel> and regular events aswell
[21:05] <ebel> we did bowling recently.
[21:06] <Tigerplug292> cool - I'll keep an eye here :-)
[21:07] <Tigerplug292> I need much more exposure to Linux for my field so I'm guessing this will be a good start :-)
[21:10] <ebel> we have a mailing list aswell
[21:10] <ebel> and regular monthly IRC meetings where we plan events and such
[21:10] <ebel> whereabouts in the country are you?


[06:43] <tjaalton> Eickmeyer: in proposed, yes
[20:16] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who knows if I can git bisect ubuntu kernel for rpi? It seems that only some commits include the debian directory.


[01:26] <SpamapS> @pilot out
[04:35] <pitti> Good morning
[04:37] <mdeslaur> good morning pitti
[05:46] <pitti> jibel: is this a temporary glitch, or config error? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-server/lastFailedBuild/ARCH=amd64,LTS=lts,PROFILE=server,label=upgrade-test/artifact/lts-server-amd64/bootstrap.log
[07:46] <dholbach> highvoltage, happy birthday! :)
[08:56] <highvoltage> thanks dholbach_ :)
[08:56] <dholbach_> :)
[09:03] <jibel> pitti, it was a temporary error. qemu failed to setup correctly for some reason. I restarted the test and it's ok. results will be published in less than an hour
[09:05] <pitti> jibel: *phew*, thanks
[10:08] <Sweetshark> lamont, infinity: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92227283/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.libreoffice_1%3A3.5.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <- did you guys also raise the fs-size for amd64? i386 now builds just fine, but amd64 still fails ...
[10:47] <jamespage> BenC: OK with you if I pickup a merge of nodejs from Debian?  need to transition to new version of libv8
[11:19] <azza> is anyone online
[11:20] <seb128> azza, likely yes but most people don't reply to questions which are not asked yet ;-)
[11:21] <azza> where do i find the download link for ubuntu source code
[11:21] <azza> or the link to where i can download the files
[11:21] <seb128> azza, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[11:22] <seb128> azza, you can get any source on http://launchpad.net/ubuntu as well
[11:23] <azza> thank you
[11:24] <seb128> you're welcome
[11:29] <azza> where can i find the original source code files (that is, official, unedited code)
[11:30] <seb128> azza, source of what?
[11:31] <azza> source code files for ubuntu. the code that is used in the version currently released
[11:31] <seb128> azza, usually it's the orig.tar.gz,bzr2,xz from source packages
[11:31] <YokoZar> azza: right, it's all available, but it consists of many different components
[11:32] <azza> i know that
[11:32] <azza> but where can i find the original files? what's the url to the page containing the original code files?
[11:32] <YokoZar> For which part?
[11:37] <azza> the whole OS
[12:00] <tjaalton> damn.. @pilot in
[12:00] <tjaalton> @pilot in
[12:01] <lamont> Sweetshark: 1) build URLs rather than buildlog URLs are more useful.  2) it's luck-of-the-draw on what builder you get, with most of them being the standard "too small for you" size...
[12:02] <lamont> Sweetshark: and fixing the build to not be so fat is going to be (I suspect) a faster path to happiness
[12:07] <Tm_T> tjaalton: aww
[12:08] <Tm_T> pulled the short straw?
[12:09] <tjaalton> Tm_T: just starting late, that's all
[12:10] <Sweetshark> lamont: so you want me to remove superflous stuff like "running the test suite" from the build?
[12:10] <justgord> is there a short command to list all installed PPAs ?
[12:16] <lamont> Sweetshark: that would be one way to do it, I don't know the packgae well enough to recommend specific ways to reduce the disk footprint.  In the case of the kernel, they originally kept all the intermediate stuff around for the entire build (building multiple kernels), and switched to removing the intermediate objects after each kernel was linked
[12:21] <justgord> to answer my own newbie question - ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d  # lists installed PPAs
[12:26] <Sweetshark> lamont: well, we just added testing to the build because it is the Right Thing(tm) to do. And I sure will not adapt the package for artificial limitations of the tooling. Tools are a service to the product and not the other way around.
[12:50] <diwic> is it just me, or did the theming in 12.04 just become very broken?
[12:59] <seb128> diwic, it's a gtk change how theming work, Cimi has to catch up and update our themes game
[13:00] <seb128> which is happening to every tarball recently
[13:00] <seb128> the issue from yesterday should be fixed in a theme update today
[13:00] <seb128> Cimi just got that done
[13:02] <diwic> seb128, okay, thanks, no use reporting bugs for that then
[13:02] <seb128> diwic, there are some bugs on light-themes (ubuntu) already, but yeah, wait for today updates before reporting
[13:19] <mvo> micahg: synaptic finally build !
[13:42] <ppisati> i just dist-upgraded, and it seems audio is dead in flash
[13:42] <ppisati> am i the only one experiencing it?
[13:46] <lamont> so... wtf would debuild -S decide that we should have 'Architecture: any all'?
[14:19] <soren> Don't builds on the buildd's run as root?
[14:20] <soren> (PPA buildd's if it matters)
[14:24] <soren> If they are running as root, why on Earth would /proc/<pid of some process I started in the build> not be owned by root? It's owned by uid 2001.
[14:30] <rbasak> Is this fakeroot related?
[14:32] <soren> rbasak: Shoulnd't be. buildd's don't use fakeroot, AFAIK.
[14:33] <soren> Gosh.
[14:33] <soren> They do.
[14:33] <soren> Ah, that may be debhelper's doing.
[14:33] <soren> ..but..
[14:34] <soren> rbasak: Hm. I always assumed this all ran as root.
[14:34] <soren> Darn it, have to run.
[14:39] <hallyn> zul: could you please syncpackage -d unstable numactl
[14:41] <zul> hallyn: yep will do
[14:43] <zul> hallyn: done
[14:43] <hallyn> zul: thanks
[14:58] <micahg> mvo: great, thanks!
[16:34] <barry> jtaylor: let's coordinate later today or tomorrow on numpy
[17:04] <doko> stgraber, do you cover cjwatson for the release meeting?
[17:07] <stgraber> doko: apparently we both replied at the same time, but as I said I'm always attending the meeting anyway and I'm used to writing these team reports, so I'm happy to cover for cjwatson
[17:07] <doko> ok
[17:44] <mwhudson> does python2.7-dbg no longer include detached debugging symbols for the non debug python?
[17:46] <mwhudson> ah it does
[18:09] <smoser> slangasek, can i get someone on foundations to look at bug 898373
[18:11] <slangasek> smoser: I think you're really going to need someone to look at it from the kernel side
[18:11] <slangasek> because there's nothing else in the foundations stack that would be holding that device open
[18:11] <smoser> why? its something user space that has got it open.
[18:11] <slangasek> how do you know?
[18:12] <smoser> why would the kernel have it open? it hasnt even been yet told to mount it
[18:12] <smoser> (yes, i realize thats a good argument for why user space didn't open it too)
[18:14] <slangasek> smoser: I don't know why the kernel would have it open, but I know there's nothing in the core userspace stack that should have it open :)
[18:15] <smoser> smb, ^
[18:15] <smoser> aroudn ?
[18:15] <smoser> can you think of anything?
[18:23] <tjaalton> @pilot out
[18:23] <barry> slangasek: do you have any idea where this warning comes from when i apt-get install packages on precise: Sorry, your system lacks support for the snapshot feature
[18:24] <tjaalton> jdstrand: hey, what's the status of bug 903752?
[18:24] <slangasek> barry: when you apt-get install?  Nope - interesting
[18:24] <slangasek> barry: maybe check what's installed hooks in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ?
[18:24] <barry> slangasek: doesn't seem to affect anything, so i've been ignoring it, but it's slightly annoying and da googlz is no help
[18:25] <barry> ah good idea, will look
[18:25] <jdstrand> tjaalton: review of ssd is not completed yet. hope to finish soon
[18:25] <tjaalton> jdstrand: ok, thanks
[18:26] <psusi> barry: do you have apt-btrfs-snapshot installed?
[18:26] <barry> psusi: apparently so, that must be it
[18:51]  * jussi hugs Laney
[19:07] <Laney> \o/
[19:22] <bjf> barry, we are seeing some breakage in LP scripts that we have. bug_task.date_created is returning 'unicode' objects when it should be returning 'datetime' objects
[19:22] <bjf> barry, does this seem like a recent python library change or a LP api change ? (looking for a wild ass guess)
[19:22] <barry> bjf: probably an lp api change
[19:23] <bjf> barry, ack, will trot over an inquire there
[19:23] <barry> bjf: cool
[19:23] <bjf> barry, by the way, this breakage is only on Precise
[19:28] <barry> bjf: all signs point to lpapi :)
[20:38] <EtienneG> guys, I am a bit confused.  I want to request a sync from Debian testing.  I use requestsync, it creates an FFe bug on LP. So far so good.  Now, someone points out that FF is not past so need for an FFe.   But DebianImportFreeze is passed.  Do I need an FFe bug or not?    *confused*
[20:39] <Sarvatt> EtienneG: feature freeze is feb 16th, debian import freeze just means packages arent automatically pulled from debian and need a sync request/merge  to get updated
[20:40] <EtienneG> Sarvatt, that makes ton of sense.  So, to do a sync request, should I use syncrequest?
[20:41] <EtienneG> (sorry to be so daft, I am a little slow)
[20:41] <Sarvatt> requestsync, just dont pass -e that you passed to it
[20:41] <EtienneG> Sarvatt, ah ha!  then, *that* is what I did wrong
[20:41] <EtienneG> Sarvatt, thanks mucho
[21:05] <TheMuso> diwic: I'm onto the alsa conf.d bits, I used the wrong path. :S
[21:05] <highvoltage> devious secure boot details revealed in Windows 8 announcement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rHceul_3U8&feature=related
[21:15] <bdmurray> barry: I'm inclined to think that bug 898851 might be fixed in aptdaemon
[21:16] <bdmurray> but without knowing which version of update-manager those people had installed when the crash happened its hard to tell
[21:20]  * Sweetshark -> eod
[21:22] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: Doesn't the Dependencies attachment contain the needed version? update-manager-core 1:0.154.6
[21:22] <adam_g> stgraber: ping
[21:24] <bdmurray> Ampelbein: that attachment gets (or was getting) removed by the apport-retrace - there is a change that stops that
[21:24] <bdmurray> and when I said which version of update-manager I meant aptdaemon
[21:25] <bdmurray> but the dependencies.txt thing is still true
[21:25] <stgraber> adam_g: pong
[21:25] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: ok, didn't know it was removed when apport sets dupes.
[21:26] <bdmurray> well it should stop soon
[21:29] <adam_g> stgraber: some issue in openstack and i just noticed differing return iproute return codes between versions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/834491/  which ive tracked tohttp://git.jauu.net/?p=iproute2.git;a=commitdiff;h=7397944de6c11519a5951fc1bcff20225e71c4bd  figured id ask you, if that is a known thing and an issue anywhere else
[21:32] <stgraber> adam_g: I don't believe I saw something else break because of it though I'm guessing some other things probably didn't like the change in behaviour ...
[21:35] <adam_g> hmm, actually that git repositroy is not the upstream, but in any case...
[21:36] <adam_g> stgraber: first place ive noticed any breakage, and a quick check going back as far as maverick shows 254
[21:37] <stgraber> adam_g: do you know if the issue was reported in the Debian BTS?
[21:37] <stgraber> adam_g: the only change I made to this package is adding a Multi-Arch field, so I'd rather avoid diverging more for a package that seems pretty well maintained in Debian
[21:38] <barry> bdmurray: i think so too actually, but as you say it's hard to tell, so that's why i marked it incomplete
[21:43] <adam_g> stgraber: nope. i wasn't suggesting we patch, just curious if you knew anything about it
[21:44] <stgraber> adam_g: nope, first time I hear about it. Thanks for mentioning it though, might end up useful when trying to track down some bugs ;)
[22:11] <arges> slangasek, hello
[22:13] <arges> slangasek, i just backported a patch for lp #688550 to lucid. what format would you prefer for the SRU of that bug? should i create a bzr branch? provide the debdiff? or something else?
[22:13] <tomreyn> pitti + others: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/873424/comments/10 says this fixed package was built on Jan 13, but it doesn't seem to be available in oneiric-proposed, yet? Did it FTB?
[22:16] <slangasek> arges: IMHO, debdiffs are the most practical to work with for SRU
[22:17] <arges> slangasek, ok cool. will provide that then
[22:19] <bdmurray> tomreyn: looking
[22:19] <bdmurray> tomreyn: its there but the patch happens to be incomplete
[22:20] <bdmurray> speaking of that if I want to upload a new version to proposed when one is already there what do I do?
[22:24] <stgraber> doko: ping
[22:24] <stgraber> doko: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libnih1 (>= 1.0.0)
[22:24] <stgraber> doko: that's in nih-dbus-tool
[22:25] <stgraber> doko: obviously doesn't work with libc6 being 2.15~pre6-0ubuntu10 :)
[22:25] <stgraber> doko: and it's breaking my upstart upload as a result (which build-depends on nih-dbus-tool)
[22:27] <doko> stgraber, I uploaded libnih for a rebuild. is this one already installed?
[22:28] <stgraber> doko: yes, that's the one that's not installable
[22:28] <doko> shit
[22:28] <stgraber> doko: the new binaries from the libnih rebuild have libc6 (>= 2.15) instead of (>= 2.15~)
[22:29] <doko> cursing the use of private symbols in libnih
[22:29] <doko> yeah, will have to ask for a manual eglibc build
[22:40] <stgraber> doko: I'll be looking for another libnih upload before doing a mass give back of upstart (though it managed to build on at least i386 where the new nih wasn't published yet ;))
[22:41] <doko> stgraber, yeah, will work for armel and armhf. you need to edit the libc b-d
[22:41] <doko> s/-d/d/
[22:41] <doko> s/b-d/d/
[22:42] <doko> stgraber, please use a b-d on (>= 2.15). I'm preparing packages
[23:10] <doko> stgraber, ohh, lucky day! this dependency only is in nih-dbus-tool, not libnih1, so it builds normally
[23:11] <stgraber> doko: yep, it's just blocking upstart as upstart b-d on nih-dbus-tool :)
[23:11] <stgraber> doko: anyway, I'm monitoring LP now, as soon as it's published I'll give back the upstart FTBFS and everything should be good
[23:11] <doko> who cares about upstart ;-P
[23:11] <stgraber> (well, except for upstart's test failing on some architectures but that's not new, my change doesn't touch the code ...)
[23:12] <stgraber> yeah, nobody uses that ;)
[23:13] <tomreyn> bdmurray: thanks for reporting back. and i'm afraid i have no idea what to do then...
[23:13] <bdmurray> tomreyn: what do you mean? or what problem are you having?
[23:20] <tomreyn> bdmurray: i'm saying i have no idea how to upload a new version to proposed when one is already there. and my problem would be that check-new-release-gtk currently in oneiric-proposed still fails (we discussed this here an hour ago).
[23:22] <bdmurray> tomreyn: oh, I'm working on a new version of update-manager for oneiric proposed.
[23:30] <tomreyn> cool, thanks.


[16:08] <bhuvi> hi...
[16:09] <bhuvi> can anybody confirm this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/1224651
[16:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1224651 in gdb (Ubuntu) "gdb displays wrong values for variables while debugging c code" [Undecided,New]
[16:23] <hggdh> bhuvi: I cannot get to check it now, but will do later today (hopefully)
[16:24] <bhuvi> hggdh: thanks
[17:11] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm trying to help out a little bit and have found the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/759485 bug, which seems to have been fixed if you go by the bug title and point number 1 in the initial bug report (which really should have been two separate bug reports). I've checked all documents linked to in the bug report and point number 1 has definitely been solved. Can that bug be closed as fixed
[17:11] <littlegirl> and the initial reporter asked to submit a new bug for point number 2?
[17:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 759485 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "/boot/grub/menu.lst must be /boot/grub/grub.cfg" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:13] <littlegirl> The reason I think it ought to be closed out is that if someone does a search and finds that bug by its title, they would see that it's been fixed, but they won't if it remains open while item number 2 is still pending.
[18:26] <hggdh> littlegirl: yes, please do so
[18:40] <littlegirl> hggdh: Done. (:
[18:41] <hggdh> littlegirl: we are in your debt. Thank you for helping
[18:41] <littlegirl> hggdh: Any time. (:
[18:41] <hggdh> :-)


[02:35] <sl0wpoke> Hi there, I've got a bug (#855862) that I think needs to be marked wishlist.  Could someone from BugControl mark it?
[02:35] <sl0wpoke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/855862
[02:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855862 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "File selection: direction doesn't select file in next row (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[02:38] <macer1> sl0wpoke, hmm...I don't see a wishlist option in bug status...
[02:38] <micahg> macer1: it's an importance
[02:39] <macer1> oh importance. I can not set it, sorry, I am only in bugsquad as for now.
[02:47] <sl0wpoke> I asked around in #gnome about whether anyone had a comment; no one offered one.
[02:47] <sl0wpoke> It would appear that's the intended functionality.  It doesn't seem to be a bug per se.
[02:48] <sl0wpoke> micahg: Maybe you could answer this question: are reports like this what the "opinion" tag is for?
[02:48] <sl0wpoke> Because I couldn't find an explanation of "opinion" on the wiki.
[02:49] <micahg> sl0wpoke: we don't officially use it in UBuntu
[02:49] <sl0wpoke> Ah, I see.
[02:49] <micahg> sl0wpoke: that's a dupe
[02:51] <sl0wpoke> micahg: So what is your opinion on this bug?  Invalid?  Wishlist?  I'm a little puzzled.
[02:51] <micahg> sl0wpoke: it's a duplicate
[02:52] <sl0wpoke> micahg: Shucks, that's what I forgot.  But hypothetically, supposing it wasn't, what would be an appropriate action on this one?
[02:53] <micahg> sl0wpoke: low probably
[02:53] <sl0wpoke> But not invalid.
[02:54] <micahg> no, why would it be invalid?
[02:54] <micahg> it's a regression
[02:59] <sl0wpoke> micahg: I thought it probably should be considered valid, but thought that perhaps it could be considered a valid/intended program behavior.
[03:22] <micahg> sl0wpoke: possibly, but that's upstream's call
[03:22] <micahg> sl0wpoke: so, have you found the duplicate bug yet?
[03:23] <sl0wpoke> Not yet, no.
[03:25] <sl0wpoke> micahg: #757830
[03:25] <sl0wpoke> micahg: #757830/
[03:26] <micahg> bug 757830
[03:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 757830 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "No left-side wrap-around in indicator menus if no application menu (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/757830
[03:26] <micahg> sl0wpoke: nope, this is nautilus specific
[03:26] <sl0wpoke> Ah.  Hm.
[03:59] <micahg> sl0wpoke: I can't seem to find it :(
[04:06] <sl0wpoke> micahg: I've been looking; I can't seem to find a duplicate either.  Thus far, anyway.
[05:02] <sl0wpoke> micahg: I went ahead and marked 855862 'confirmed' if you'd like to set an importance.
[05:31] <RedSingularity> bug 855862
[05:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 855862 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "File selection: direction doesn't select file in next row (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855862
[09:25] <bil21al> how can i get the log file of update manager?? can anybody tell me??
[11:25] <korrawit> Hello. I think that bug 629364 and bug 537433 are duplicates of each other. But I just wonder: if I mark 629364 as duplicate of 537433, what about "one hundred papercuts" project in 629364?
[11:47] <korrawit> 20 min ... no answer, so I marked it as duplicate as I proposed.
[12:00] <bil21al_> ubot
[12:27] <hggdh> no, they are not duplicates of each other. I unduplicated them
[13:55] <bil21al_> when we are running apport and filing a bug than when the bug info transfer from terminal to firefox than there is crash ,destop is with out launcher and top bar and after 5-6 sec it came back  did any body noticed  it??
[14:07] <hggdh> bil21al: sounds like compiz or unity died and restarted
[14:08] <hggdh> and no, I did not notice it
[14:08] <bil21al> hggdh:ok
[14:46] <bil21al> in which pakage shuold we report the gnome player bug hggdh:
[14:46] <bil21al> totem or else??
[15:14] <jibel> mvo, thanks for fixing 853233 :)
[15:15] <mvo> jibel: all kudos go to evfool for this one
[16:06] <bil21al> jibel:
[16:06] <bil21al> can a reporter confirm his own bug ??
[16:10] <bil21al> anybody
[16:10] <bil21al> hggdh
[16:10] <charlie-tca> no
[16:10] <hggdh> bil21al: no
[16:11] <bil21al> ok and u see this bug bro https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/856862
[16:11] <hggdh> bil21al: patience also helps. Unnecessarily pinging others will *not* make them prone to answer you
[16:12] <bil21al> hggdh : ok
[16:13] <hggdh> I resetted it to New. bil21al, can you reproduce?
[16:14] <bil21al> no
[16:14] <hggdh> then please state you could not reproduce, and then we wait for somebody else
[16:15] <bil21al> i staied but he changed again and than he confirmed by himself  so i again state this thank you bro.
[16:30] <bil21al> anybody have experienced same issue ? v
[16:30] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/857197
[16:34] <hggdh> bil21al: this may be caused by the mirror you are using
[16:35] <bil21al> so can i fix it by myself??
[16:35] <hggdh> usually hash sum mismatchs happens when the mirror is first updating the summary files, then updating the package files themselves
[16:36] <hggdh> bil21al: yes -- (1) wait a bit and try again; (2) check which mirror you use, and raise the issue with the mirror admins
[16:37] <bil21al> ok
[16:39] <hggdh> bil21al: the IRC channel for the mirror-admins is #ubuntu-mirrors
[17:31] <steemed> I've found a bug in Unity, I'm not sure if it has been found...
[17:32] <ashams> Guys, Hi
[17:32] <ashams> Just want to check my application status(to bug-control team membership), it was sent on 16 Sept, but i had no replies so far. During the last month a lot of my msgs was(for some reason) cosidered SPAM, So, if anyone here subscribed to this mailing list, please check for it among spam msgs.
[17:32] <ashams> Anyway, here's a link: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/msg03494.html
[17:32] <ashams> Thanks.
[17:33] <steemed> But in oneiric, when I drag a window up to the title bar, it automatically snaps to fullscreen, but then a big orange box is shown to indicate it will be made fullscreen if I go closer to the top
[17:39] <hggdh> ashams: I accepted it in the list last week, but did not have time to look at it yet
[17:39] <hggdh> ashams: yes, it was received
[17:40] <hggdh> steemed: yes, this is an indication that it will get to be full-screen. What is the problem there?
[17:42] <steemed> hggdh: The problem is that it fullscreens with the title bar at first, but after it "snaps" and you let go as the indicator comes up, it only fullscreens the window *excluding* the Unity bar
[17:43] <steemed> Try unsnapping Firefox then snapping it back with the indicator showing
[17:45] <hggdh> well, yes, it will not overwrite the indicator bar
[17:46] <steemed> I mean. It is so hard to explain
[17:49] <steemed> hggdh: dragging a window up to the indicator bar will snap it to fullscreen with the titlebar being integrated into it
[17:49] <steemed> With NO indicator
[17:50] <steemed> But if you keep dragging the window up to the absolute top of the screen, the indicator shows up. Once you release while the indicator shows up, the window is technically full screen but not integrated with the indicator bar
[17:50] <steemed> The title bar that is
[17:50] <hggdh> steemed: it would be better if you took a screenshot and showed it; I am not sure I follow you
[17:50] <steemed> Several screenshots coming up
[17:51] <ashams> hggdh: Thanks man :D
[17:51] <steemed> ~
[17:54] <steemed> hggdh: http://imgur.com/a/WVl4D
[17:54] <steemed> First screen shows an already fullscreen window
[17:55] <steemed> Second screen shows me detaching it and dragging it back all the way to the top
[17:55] <steemed> Third shows the result
[17:56] <hggdh> steemed: yeah, it is a bug
[17:56] <hggdh> third should show the same as the first
[17:56] <steemed> Yeah
[17:56] <hggdh> interesting that I could not reproduce here
[17:57] <steemed> The window *has* to be fullscreen at first
[17:57] <hggdh> may be either I am more up-to-date than you, or related to video card
[17:57] <steemed> And this is on oneiric
[17:57] <steemed> I also installed ccsm if that makes any difference
[17:57] <hggdh> steemed: I used my firefox window, which was on full screen, and played on taking it out and putting it back. And I am running oneiric as well
[17:58] <steemed> Did you drag it to the absolute top of the screen? Beyond the title bar?
[17:58] <hggdh> I do not have it. May be related to a plugin?
[17:58] <steemed> Maybe
[17:58] <steemed> I have to go anyways
[17:58] <steemed> I'll mess around in the configs and see if that fixes anything
[20:42] <steemed> hggdh: you there?
[21:27] <phillw> Hiyas good bug squashers :) An unusual one for me, I've raised the bug but have no idea 'where' to assign it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/857760 As it self evident, I can happily mark it as 'confirmed' but have no idea to whom it should be sent.
[21:27] <micahg> phillw: that's actually a support issue for launchpad not an ubuntu bug
[21:28] <phillw> okies, I will mark as invalid... any idea whom I should approach?
[21:28] <micahg> phillw: I converted it to a launchpad question
[21:29] <phillw> micahg: thanks :) Never had an lp issue before... just what I needed when the release notes for a beta 2 were not on the ML archive!
[21:30] <micahg> phillw: you can ask about such things in #launchpad generally
[21:31] <phillw> micahg: thanks, whilst a bug person, there is always something new lurking around the corner :)


[11:09] <mayankmadan> Hi everyone. Im having trouble with booting ubuntu 17.10. It takes more than a couple of minutes even though i have a decent computer(i7 6700hq, 8GB RAM). Can anyone help me with this?


[00:02] <yofel> let's hope someone will look at it when they get to work tomorrow (before the disk space runs out... ^^)
[00:02] <StevenK> Yes, process-death-row on the PPA machine is disabled due to an issue.
[00:03] <jonrafkind> any eta?
[00:03] <jonrafkind> my nightly builds have been failing for 2 days now due to this
[00:05] <yofel> StevenK: ah ok, thanks for the confirmation
[00:12]  * andol notes that https://launchpad.net/~username still causes "Timeout error" if you are logged in....
[00:13] <StevenK> andol: The bug is marked in progress
[00:14] <andol> StevenK: Mostly out of curiosity, bug number?
[00:17] <StevenK> andol: bug 1074239
[00:19] <andol> StevenK: thanks
[04:57] <ANub> Hello...........guys i need info about how to upload crash-report on launchpad bugs...?
[04:58] <ANub> Ive followed "apport-collect" method, but not sure if thats what I want
[04:58] <ANub> Crash report is of ~35 MB and relates to Skype
[05:08] <ANub> bum
[07:05] <staticfloat> Hey guys, I'm having trouble with my PPA.  I'm trying to upload a new version of libarpack2, but I keep on getting a rejected email saying that my arpack-3.1.2.orig.tar.gz already exists....... but if I build the _source.changes file without the original .tar.gz, it rejects me for not having the .orig.tar.gz file included!
[07:06] <staticfloat> I've tried lots of things, like bumping my deb version number (e.g. arpack-3.1.2ubuntu1, all the way up to ubuntu3, etc....) but it doesn't help
[08:13] <bkerensa> ERROR: Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in "Graph(StackedParentsProvider(bzrlib.repository._LazyListJoin(([CachingParentsProvider(None)], [])))
[08:13] <bkerensa> means?
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> hi, i had 3 PPA's all run out of space last week (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/ , https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/thunderbird-aurora , https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora)
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> that's pretty odd, as there should be plenty of space in them all
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> are the old builds not being cleaned up fast enough? http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/thunderbird-aurora/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/
[09:30] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: aye
[09:30] <czajkowski> we have a bug on that atm
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, do you have an ETA for when that will be fixed? :)
[09:31] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1071562
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, thanks
[09:34] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: np
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:59] <gmarkall> I'd like to build a package that will go into a PPA. I notice there's already a package in Ubuntu that's copied from Debian, but it's too old and requires some patches. From what I can tell, the right thing to do would be to register the project in Launchpad, set it up so it imports the code into a bzr branch, and then I can add a recipe to build the package for a PPA. Would someone be able to advise me if this is the right way to go about it ple
[15:00] <gmarkall> I'm a little hesitant because I feel like registering a project that I don't really work on (outside of building a package for it on Launchpad) seems wrong/aggressive
[15:20] <geser> gmarkall: you can upload a ready source package to your PPA and don't need to have a bzr + recipe to generate one (it's mostly for those interested which also use LP for code hosting and want and automatic build from it)
[15:23] <gmarkall> geser: that sounds perfect for my situation, thankyou!
[15:24] <gmarkall> i'm annoyed with myself for missing that option now


[01:26] <G> I don't think the iPhone info pages are screengrabs normally, I think it's just marketing material that Apple provide telcos with 'insert your logo here if you want', which is why Voda/Telecom use the same TV ads etc
[01:28] <G> potentially backed up by the fact that Telecom have exactly the same page http://www.telecom.co.nz/mobile/mobile/iphone/iphonecompare/
[18:20] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:27] <hads> morning
[19:28] <ajmitch> morning
[19:31] <mwhudson> morning
[20:33] <olly_> morning
[20:35] <chilts> morning


[06:44] <MooDoo> hay daniel did you know your blog was down? https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[06:53] <MooDoo> morning daniel, I noticed your blog was down this morning
[06:54] <dholbach> hey MooDoo
[06:54] <dholbach> that's weird - let me check and see what happened
[06:54] <MooDoo> Error establishing a database connection fyi
[06:55] <dholbach> should be back up again
[06:55] <dholbach> somehow mysql hadn't restarted during an update
[06:55] <MooDoo> :)
[06:56] <MooDoo> brb


[09:25] <tester_> hello, how can I build a custom set of packages into a lubuntu live cd
[09:27] <tester_> is there a better distro for building live cd with packages i choose?
[13:21] <slipttees> Hi guys
[13:21] <slipttees> Error loading theme icon 'gtk-go-forward-ltr' for stock and 'gtk-go-back-ltr
[13:21] <slipttees> :-(
[13:21] <slipttees> firefox
[13:37] <guiverc> howdy, issue with daily image (x86 +1), can't edit connection info as nmtui-edit needs xterm package installed (daily-image doesn't contain it; installing it & it works) - question what package to file against (bug report)
[13:55] <guiverc> filed against xterm (#1782579); missing from 2018-07-18 daily image in my opinion
[17:03] <ShellcatZero> what is the recommended document reader on Lubuntu/LXDE these days?  Okular has been a great universal document reader, but I thought surely there was something more light weight available in the LXDE ecosystem.
[17:03] <wxl> ShellcatZero: evince.
[17:06] <ShellcatZero> I don't seem to be able to open epub or chm files with Evince, is there something else you recommend for those?
[17:06] <wxl> ah yeah i don't think evince is capable of that
[17:07] <wxl> if you're looking for something "universal," it's necessarily going to be heavierweight
[17:07] <wxl> you might want to grab the right tools for each document type
[17:08] <wxl> fbreader should be able to do it. it's gtk and 937688k
[17:09] <wxl> avoid calibre. it's waaaaaaaaaaaaay larger and is a library solution you don't need. also no chm support.
[17:09] <ShellcatZero> I do remember this being the case for calibre
[17:10] <wxl> okular is roughly the same size as calibre, requires qt libs (not normally something lxde lubuntu needs), and extra plugins for epub, chm, etc.
[17:11] <ShellcatZero> yeah, that's what I was hoping to avoid.  I'll give fbreader a shot.  I recall going through a list of recommended document readers some time ago and kept falling back to Okular because of bugs, missing features, bloat, etc.
[17:12] <wxl> yeah, well, that's a potential concern, too. tbh i've never used fbreader
[17:14] <ShellcatZero> thanks wxl, I'll give it a shot
[17:15] <wxl> np ShellcatZero