[09:29] <soundray> Stev: well, you know how to boot in recovery mode or switch to a console and create a new user, don't you?
[09:29] <Xbehave> i dont think youd need home just /
[09:29] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, ok.
[09:29] <Stev> soundray: the new user is created i just can't switch :P
[09:29] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, I'm gonna try
[09:30] <soundray> Stev: well, reboot then
[09:30] <Creationist> Could someone tell me how to stop Compiz in Kubuntu Gutsy?  I've tried kwin --replace, but then I have no window decorations.
[09:30] <Stev> ok..
[09:30] <soundray> !grub | thompa
[09:30] <ubotu> thompa: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:30] <soundray> thompa: follow the RecoveringUbuntu... instructions
[09:30] <thompa> i know that it wont work
[09:30] <DigitalNinja> Well, time for me to run
[09:30] <thompa> lilo will install though for some reason
[09:31] <Creationist> hmm... nevermind.  It worked this time ... go figure ;)
[09:31] <erichj> could always use the windows boot manager
[09:31] <thompa> i dont want to reformat and reinstall windows, too much pain
[09:31] <erichj> just boot into windows and add an entry for linux
[09:31] <thompa> me?
[09:31] <erichj> yeah
[09:32] <thompa> where  do you add that?
[09:32] <thompa> its windows xp i think my kids laptop
[09:32] <erichj> i want to say boot.ini
[09:32] <erichj> but it's been awhile
[09:32] <thompa> me too
[09:32] <thompa> grub rescue wont work either
[09:33] <thompa> maybe i will try a 3rd party boot loader
[09:33] <thompa> its only this laptop, and i know its cause of windos install
[09:33] <ppj> yes the boot.ini
[09:33] <Ximal> heya .. I'm having trouble getting my wireless adapter on my laptop to realize the network in the room... how do i have it search for them ? or does it not work unless it's installed .. ubuntu completely into the pc ? like the live cd edition won't work ?
[09:33] <erichj> yeah
[09:33] <thompa> it took me days to get windows crap working anyway
[09:34] <thompa> ppj: will i have to boot into windows first each time
[09:34] <erichj> thompa, it will ask you what OS to load for each boot
[09:34] <thompa> nightmare getting sp2 on this vaio
[09:35] <Tomcat_> thompa: Getting Windows XP up to SP2 is always a nightmare. ;)
[09:35] <thompa> thanks ill try that. i have to keep xp for the kids horse game only
[09:36] <thompa> especiall bad with vaio and drivers, needs safe mode and all sorts of tricks
[09:36] <Lynoure> akregator on gutsy seems a lot slower than on feisty
[09:36] <thompa> the vaio disks stopped working ages ago
[09:36] <ppj> thompa: ? you can set a default and have a menu using the boot.ini
[09:36] <thompa> so i got my old xp disk never opened
[09:36] <Ximal> ????
[09:36] <thompa> thanks
[09:36] <newsense> whats the best way to upgrade from feisty ?
[09:37] <thompa> newsense: you got lots of data
[09:37] <erichj> newsense, wait for final for beta then do a dist-upgrade
[09:37] <ppj> man compiz has a lot of options in the manager
[09:37] <erichj> i meant Gutsy not beta
[09:37] <thompa> i like the paint screen with fire
[09:37] <Aishiko> I have an install disc of XP Pro with SP2 with it so it's not hat big adeal
[09:38] <thompa> mines first xp release disk
[09:38] <ppj> 323 updates for you
[09:38] <ppj> well actually 273 at first
[09:38] <erichj> i still have xp RC2 on cd somewhere around here
[09:38] <ppj> then another 30
[09:38] <newsense> erichj: i need the module for tr61 based wifi card the one with feist doesnt work and i dont wanna recompile kernel
[09:38] <newsense> erichj: any suggestions
[09:39] <newsense> erichj: gutsy's  stock kernel has rt61-pci module rather than rt61 in feisty default kernel
[09:39] <thompa> erichj: the drivers were a big problem because without ac i got blue screen, also no wired or wireless nothing
[09:39] <erichj> newsense, well if you don't mind using a beta. sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. or burn gutsy to cd and install
[09:40] <Ximal> anyone mind telling me or clueing me in on how to get my wireless to notice my network ? on my laptop? it doesn't show anything unless i add it
[09:40] <erichj> Ximal, turning roaming on
[09:40] <ppj> Ximal: is ssid broadcast on?
[09:40] <Ximal> it is on
[09:40] <Ximal> roaming is
[09:40] <Ximal> lemme see if i got ssid off
[09:40] <newsense> erichj: i ran debian sid for years, not new to betas, and do i have to edit my sources.listat all ?
[09:40] <rothchild> if you need to roll sp2 in to an xp install you can do it with this http://www.nliteos.com/
[09:40] <newsense> feisty/gutsy ?
[09:41] <erichj> newsense, i don't think you do. i might be wrong though.
[09:41] <thompa> newsense: back up your data
[09:41] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, fixed the laptop!!!
[09:41] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, After changing /etc/evms.conf (exclude = [ * ]  in sections 'activate' and 'sysfs_devices') 2.6.22-13 booted now without problems
[09:41] <newsense> erichj: ill post bug reports if i find any,im not one of "those" beta users
[09:42] <thesaltydog> from a live-cd
[09:42] <thompa> im reinstalling on 3 computers just now , 2 are 64 1 a macbook
[09:42] <pqnet> :D
[09:42] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: good
[09:42] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, thank you for the link to the bug!
[09:42] <Xbehave> thesaltydog: good, i dont get why they installedevms if your not using it :S
[09:43] <Xbehave> similar thing should work on desktop
[09:43] <thesaltydog> don't know if it is the same...
[09:44] <Xbehave> it sounds the same, i had the same problem as you this morning it wasnt mounting my swap or boot sayiung they were too busy
[09:44] <nzero> anyone know if the monitors and graphics feature is going to work in final
[09:44] <newsense> thompa: what is the correct procedure to update from feisty to gutsy, do i have to edit the sources.list ?
[09:44] <Xbehave> newsense: the prefered procedure is backup, install of CD i think
[09:45] <newsense> Xbehave: i have nothing to backup really, just a box to play with, no cds
[09:46] <newsense> Xbehave: would like to upgrade via net
[09:46] <Stev> when you do Resourches / Find file, do you get nautilus-search-tool?
[09:46] <kRush> newsense, update-manager -d
[09:47] <nzero> anyone know if they are going to have the monitors and graphics configuration program working by final
[09:48] <Stev> err -.-  i mean tracker-search-tool
[09:49] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, yes. I fixed the desktop too. Same bug.
[09:54] <thesaltydog> Xbehave, tks again also for this. Just one hour ago I was thing to reinstall..
[09:55] <Aishiko> thesaltydog: I've been considering that myself but I don't really want to do that
[09:56] <ppj> anyone using kde4 on gibbon?
[09:56] <Aishiko> ppj is that kde?
[09:56] <Aishiko> I mean the most current kde
[09:57] <ppj> its the beta
[09:57] <ppj> kde 4 is still beta
[09:58] <ppj> man anytime i mess with beryl/xgl/compiz settings i make it more annoying to use
[09:58] <ppj> i'm glad theres default buttons
[10:00] <Dr_willis> i had the wobbly windows so wabbly. i had to wait 3 min for them to calm down. :)
[10:01] <gabor_> what is wmaster0 ?
[10:02] <Ryandor> hullo again
[10:02] <ppj> Dr_willis: ive got some fade effect going on and I'm not even sure which one it is but its annoying and is very slow
[10:06] <Ryandor> ...So I'm booting off the lastest gusty livecd (downloaded 30 minutes ago), and it's not seeing the built-in bluetooth.. HP/Compaq NC6220 .. I think it's a broadcom chipset.. I've got the extracted windows drivers.. is there a way to get bluetooth working.. using a method like NDIS or anyway else that anyone knows.. I thought the bluetooth was seen under 7.04, but not sure, and didn't have a bt device at the time..
[10:15] <Amaranth> Ryandor: There is no ndiswrapper-like thing for bluetooth
[10:15] <jgm> Hi is there a nvidia-kernel package for the 2.6.22-13-generic image?  I'm not getting any luck with attempting to use the 'nvidia' driver in my xorg.conf...
[10:15] <Amaranth> jgm: Yeah, since about 38 hours ago
[10:15] <Amaranth> jgm: your mirror might be outdated
[10:16] <jgm> Hmm... possible, but suspect that something else may be broken with my install.  What's the primary site?
[10:16] <Amaranth> archive.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <jgm> Yeah that's what I'm using.
[10:16] <Amaranth> what i do is put my local mirror first in sources.list and that one second
[10:17] <Amaranth> that way i get the speed of the local mirror but can still get up-to-date packages if the mirror hasn't updated yet
[10:17] <Ryandor> Amaranth: Thanks. Any other method you can think of?
[10:17] <Amaranth> jgm: then your system is broken
[10:17] <jgm> Yeah thought that may be the case
[10:17] <Amaranth> Ryandor: nope, i hate bluetooth
[10:17] <Amaranth> bluetooth absolutely trashes battery life
[10:18] <jgm> I get lots of segmentation faults when I try an "aptitude reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic" coming from ld_static, which I suspect may be the core issue (so to speak)
[10:18] <Ryandor> Amaranth: Thanks. I'm not much for it either, but it would be nice not to have to use a dongle for a "regular" wireless mouse.
[10:19] <Amaranth> Ryandor: pastebin your lspci
[10:20] <Ryandor> paste the whole think? I grep'd for blu but nothing showed
[10:20] <Amaranth> whole thing, and pastebin, not paste
[10:21] <Ryandor> Amaranth: not sure I know how to pastebin :(
[10:21] <Amaranth> !pastebin
[10:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:21] <Amaranth> jgm: uh, ouch
[10:22] <Amaranth> jgm: run memtest (it'll take a few hours)
[10:23] <jgm> Amaranth: possible but it's only that one package that has the problem so more likely to be something bad on the install (which was originally tribe5 and been upgrading since then)
[10:23] <Amaranth> jgm: I'd vote corrupt install, bad RAM, or bad HD
[10:24] <Amaranth> jgm: But the first one is usually caused by one of the other two
[10:24] <neildarlow> following a recent kernel/networkmanager update, my wired connection is reported as eth1 instead of eth0. any idea why this is happening?
[10:24] <jgm> Yeah I may run a memtest and if I don't get anything from that do a reinstall.  Thanks for the help
[10:24] <Amaranth> neildarlow: it's no big deal
[10:24] <Ryandor> Amaranth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39912/
[10:25] <Amaranth> Ryandor: That is a weird system
[10:25] <neildarlow> Amaranth: sure it works but even dmesg shows eth0 as the interface but mii is reported for eth1. it's odd that's all
[10:26] <Amaranth> Ryandor: If it has a sticker that says "Centrino" I'd complain to the manufacturer, they're lying :P
[10:26] <Amaranth> Ryandor: Normally the bluetooth comes with the wireless on these systems so it'd be intel
[10:27] <Amaranth> Ryandor: Are you sure the bluetooth isn't working? A lot of those wireless mice don't actually use bluetooth, that's why they have the dongle
[10:28] <Amaranth> it's more like wireless PS/2
[10:29] <Ryandor> Amaranth: It does say centrino, but all the windows bluetooth drivers (from hp.com) for this model give broadcom inf files. Of course I could be clueless. This mouse was bought specificly to test bluetooth wireless: "Kensington Si670m bluetooth wireless notebook mouse"
[10:29] <Amaranth> hrm
[10:29] <Amaranth> Are you running some tool to associate the two?
[10:30] <Amaranth> Because it's not just magically going to happen
[10:31] <Ryandor> Amaranth: Not even getting that far.. nothing indicates that bluetooth even exists on the laptop, except BIOS.. Under windows bluetooth worked (as best as I knew, since I didn't have the mouse then, and I've wiped windows completely)
[10:32] <ikonia> nzero: welcome, thanks for joining
[10:32] <Amaranth> Ryandor: Sorry dude, that's all I know
[10:32] <Lynoure> Does akregator eat most of CPU for anyone else?
[10:32] <Amaranth> I don't have any bluetooth devices and I've blacklisted the kernel module so it's not even enabled
[10:32] <Amaranth> Lynoure: Not many KDE people here :)
[10:32] <Ryandor> previously, I did load every tool I could find that has gnome/bluetooth related.. nothing. I've booted off livecd now so I figured I'd at least be able to see the bluetooth in lspci
[10:32] <heartsblood> What is the name of the crash report program in gutsy gdm?
[10:33] <Lynoure> Amaranth: hmm, there is a #kubuntu+1?
[10:33] <Amaranth> in gdm? gdm is the thing that lets you login
[10:33] <Amaranth> Lynoure: no
[10:33] <heartsblood> gnome
[10:33] <nzero> I no prob, I have the latest XGL server and ATI restricted drivers running and everything is fine except for the screensavers. I can see the screen savers in the little preview window but when i try to preview full screen or run it it just is blank
[10:33] <Amaranth> Lynoure: not many kde people period in ubuntu-land
[10:33] <Amaranth> well, compared to gnome users
[10:33] <Lynoure> Amaranth: then I guess I'll have to take my chances here as it is not yet supported on #kubuntu
[10:34] <heartsblood> problem is, it's saying programs that arn't even installed have crashed then pointing to files that don't exist
[10:34] <heartsblood> how do I remove it?
[10:34] <Amaranth> Kubuntu users are supposed to be more...self-sufficient :)
[10:34] <ikonia> nzero I don't know if its related, but that use to happen to a few ati cards / drivers in fesity too
[10:34] <Lynoure> Amaranth: maybe we are, for much part... :)
[10:34] <Amaranth> heartsblood: It's going over every program that crashed when you were using feisty
[10:34] <ikonia> nzero: I've never had that problem with nvidia, but it was noted on ati
[10:34] <Ryandor> lol (that's why, while I prefer kde, I don't use it as there's more "support" for gnome)
[10:34] <Amaranth> heartsblood: Just click ok the 100 or so times required and it'll go away for good :)
[10:35] <Lynoure> Amaranth: but when app goes silly with gettimeofday({1191788164, 28695}, NULL) = 0, it looks like a dev thing
[10:35] <heartsblood> Amaranth: easier said than done, it's crashed X twice now in the process
[10:35] <Amaranth> heartsblood: or run sudo rm /var/crash/*
[10:35] <heartsblood> ah
[10:35] <Amaranth> it'll clear out the crash files
[10:35] <heartsblood> ty
[10:35] <Amaranth> so the crash reporter doesn't bug you about them
[10:35] <LiMaO> i tried kde (kubuntu) 2 days ago. it was a 10min experience. couldn't stand it.. went back to ubuntu/gnome
[10:36] <danny> ikonia: hey I am letting you know I am here and I am waiting scine it seems your the only one that can help me as it seems. just let me know when your rdy to help me :) thanks
[10:36] <nzero> ikonia: i noticed now, the screen can run when it is activated by idle fullscreen but not when previewed fullscreen. When it runs though it looks like its really have a hard time rendering
[10:36] <heartsblood> Just so I know in the future, what is the name of the program that is doing this?  I thought it was newer version of bug buddy but even with bug buddy removed I still get spammed
[10:36] <ikonia> danny are you running gusty
[10:37] <ikonia> nzero thats a very odd, yet specific behaviour
[10:37] <Amaranth> heartsblood: apport
[10:37] <heartsblood> ty sir
[10:37] <Amaranth> heartsblood: And you should basically never bother to file a bug about a program crash unless you use it
[10:37] <ikonia> nzero: probably a bug in the way preview is launched against the ati drivers,
[10:37] <heartsblood> I haven't
[10:37] <danny> ikonia: Ubuntu 7.04        - the Feisty Fawn - released in April 2007.
[10:38] <heartsblood> it's just that so many windows come up at once X dies
[10:38] <nzero> hmmmm, if i disable desktop effects then it is fine, runs fine both in fullscreen preview and idle use
[10:38] <Amaranth> nzero: unredirect fullscreen windows
[10:38] <nzero> ...in compiz config
[10:38] <nzero> ?
[10:38] <Amaranth> nzero: or just run `gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz` and reset your settings to stock
[10:39] <ikonia> danny jump in #ubuntu for support
[10:39] <danny> I am there as well and you said youe gana get to my problem soon I been in there for 15 min so far waiting, so I though you know how to fix it lol
[10:40] <heartsblood> woot!
[10:40] <heartsblood> Amaranth: I love you
[10:40] <ikonia> danny I meant I'd get around to seeing if we could help you as you where being ignored, but support for 7.04 is in #ubuntu, not #ununtu+1
[10:40] <nzero> hmm, well i want all my nifty effects running, I am using a custom configuration of effects using the compiz manager, I like naked chicks with guitars on the top of my desktop cubes, but all that compositing is messing up the Screensavers ability to render Opengl
[10:40] <LiMaO> brb, changing from xchat to kvirc
[10:40] <ikonia> 4nzero sounds a sane explination
[10:40] <danny> ikonia: aahh ok,
[10:41] <nzero> hmmm, so i need compiz to stop rendering when the screensavers start
[10:41] <nzero> and then to restart when they quit
[10:41] <Amaranth> nzero: that'd be unredirect fullscreen windows
[10:42] <heartsblood> Amaranth: There is one thing that I would like to give you a heads up about in case you weren't aware.  People who have firefox and google desktop will not be able to type "crash report detected" into a search box without firefox crashing out.  removing google desktop fixed the problem but I dont understand why that phrase caused such an adverse reaction.
[10:42] <Amaranth> heartsblood: eh
[10:42] <nzero> what is that exactly, like what does that tell the display to do?
[10:42] <Amaranth> google desktop == crap and unsupported
[10:42] <Amaranth> so...
[10:42] <nzero> lol
[10:42] <heartsblood> maybe, but I loved it in feisty
[10:42] <Amaranth> nzero: Exactly what it says :)
[10:42] <nzero> oh
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> danny: unless of course you are using kubuntu, whose support is in #kubuntu
[10:43] <Amaranth> nzero: compiz redirects drawing to an offscreen buffer, that's how composite works
[10:43] <nzero> it tells the fullscreen windows to bypass the compositing of compiz
[10:43] <Amaranth> yes
[10:44] <Aishiko> OK how do I change ownership of a thumbdrive? sudo chown -R username:usergroup /media/thumbdrive isn't working it's coming up as not permitted
[10:44] <Amaranth> Aishiko: you can't change permissions on a flash drive, FAT doesn't support permissions
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> Aishiko: did you replace username and usergroup with real values?
[10:45] <Aishiko> nosrednaekim: yes, I'm not that silly :P
[10:45] <nosrednaekim> :)
[10:45] <nzero> but if i do that, won't i lose the ability to see fullscreen windows that i do want included in compiz, like say being able to see a fullscreen movie playing in the cube
[10:45] <Aishiko> Amaranth: then why can't I edit anything on it?
[10:45] <Aishiko> it says the drive and everything on it are owned not by me but by root
[10:46] <Amaranth> Aishiko: you mounted it wrong
[10:47] <Amaranth> And know, I don't know the right way
[10:47] <Amaranth> It should have automounted
[10:47] <Almindor> hello, I went with a clear reinstall after some troubles, and installed tetex-extra, but I still get a missing "utf-8.def" on processing my .tex files. Anyone has any idea where the file might be? (I'm fairly sure i didn't add any external .def files)
[10:47] <Aishiko> Amaranth: nothing has ever automounted thru the usb
[10:47] <hetauma> any ideas when ubuntuguide will be available for gutsy?
[10:48] <Amaranth> Aishiko: and you're using ubuntu? as in ubuntu-desktop
[10:48] <Amaranth> hetauma: hopefully never
[10:48] <Aishiko> Amaranth: as in gnome that came standard only change is compiz was removed
[10:48] <Amaranth> Aishiko: that's...odd
[10:49] <hetauma> Amaranth, by the means that it would be same with feisty?
[10:49] <Amaranth> hetauma: No, because it's crap and tells you to do things that are bad
[10:49] <cabajgtr> Hey is there an way to use the new resolution tool to switch between Mirror mode and dualscreen?
[10:49] <Aishiko> Amaranth: I know I've had to modify the fstab to get anything to mount, and then I had to go in and use the mount command in the terminal
[10:50] <WGGMk> anyone know of a good vncviewer like app, mine is sorta sluggish
[10:50] <nzero> hey where is file associations controlled at?
[10:51] <x_link> Hi
[10:51] <x_link> Just have a quick question to ask.
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> nzero: are you on kubuntu?
[10:52] <x_link> In Kubuntu Feisty when I had my mousecursor over a .jpg-file it should a "viewport" or what it's called of the picture.
[10:52] <x_link> But it isn't like that in Gutsy, Dolphin. Doesn't seem like I can use Konqueror instead of Dolphin.
[10:52] <x_link> Is there anyway I can change that? I really want that setting.
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> x_link: yeah.. there is a way... go into system-settings-> default applications
[10:53] <nzero> no ubuntu gutsy
[10:53] <nzero> i yes
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> nzero: oh.. sorry, can't help w/ that
[10:53] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I use kControl.
[10:53] <x_link> =)
[10:53] <nzero> default applications
[10:53] <nzero> yes
[10:53] <nzero> ahahahahahahahaha i have the power
[10:53] <WGGMk> anyone know of a good vncviewer like app, mine is sorta sluggish
[10:53] <nzero> thanks
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> x_link: is system settings broken or something?
[10:54] <x_link> nosrednaekim: THen what?
[10:54] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I'm in system settings now.
[10:54] <x_link> nosrednaekim: No, I just like kControl better =)
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> x_link: click on "default applications" its near the top
[10:54] <redheat> hi everyone
[10:54] <x_link> I did, I'm thre now
[10:54] <x_link> there
[10:55] <redheat> I know this is strictly help channel and all, but please let me say this ...Hooah Hooah HOoah
[10:55] <redheat> I got compizfusion to run on KDE
[10:55] <redheat> yes
[10:55] <x_link> redheat: Hehe
[10:55] <redheat> now back to my question
[10:55] <nzero> cool
[10:55] <x_link> redheat: You use Gutsy?
[10:55] <redheat> finally
[10:55] <redheat> yes
[10:55] <x_link> redheat: Okej, which version did you get installed?
[10:55] <x_link> Seems like I have an old version.
[10:56] <redheat> 7.10 the second beta version,
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> x_link: there whould be "filemanager" there.
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> *should
[10:56] <redheat> wow awesome..
[10:56] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Okej.
[10:57] <redheat> my question is about one thing..I have the 100.14.19 nvidia drivers installed, but there's one problem
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> and that would be...
[10:57] <x_link> redheat: Okej.
[10:57] <redheat> everytime I restartd the machine the brightnes, contrast, and gamma settings, are gone..I mean the screen is pale as ghost until I open the xserver settings
[10:57] <heartsblood> how do I change the font type/size in a tty console?  gutsy made the font really hard to read
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> x_link: change it from dolphin to konqueror
[10:58] <redheat> and the brightness,contrast and gamma come back in an instant
[10:58] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Email Client, Embedded Text Editor, Instant Messenger, Terminal Emulator, Web Browser
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> x_link: oh... hmm.
[10:59] <LiMaO> can i use evolution for calendar stuff, note taking and personal management without using it for email?
[10:59] <freezerburn> Hey guys I just updated to Gutsy from a clean install of Feisty.  I've been having problems with the video driver working on my Geforce 6800go with my Inspiron 9300.  If for some reason when I enable the Restricted "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)" my xserver goes down I guess that's what it's called.  So I'm trying it again but if for some reason I get stuck in the terminal without GUI, how do I bring it back to
[10:59] <freezerburn>  download another driver or return it back to it's old state?  If anyone could help I'd appreciate it!
[11:00] <x_link> nosrednaekim: =)
[11:00] <IndyGunFreak> !res | freezerburn
[11:00] <ubotu> freezerburn: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> freezerburn: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the nv driver
[11:01] <IndyGunFreak> freezerburn: what i woudl do, is run that  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that is on thatp age.
[11:01] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: but if the nvidia driver is causing the problem... and it still happens, he shoul probably select Vesa, which will get him back to a GUI,
[11:01] <IndyGunFreak> or it should anyways
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> IndyGunFreak: so would NV
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> which is the open 2d driver
[11:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Is it even possible to change it to Konqueror?
[11:02] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: right.., but he could take a generic driver.. his screen res may suck, but it will get him to a gui
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> x_link: hmmm I THINK so.. I forget how though.
[11:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Humm okej.
[11:02] <x_link> nosrednaekim: I'm trying to find it, but without sucess.
[11:03] <freezerburn> Well the whole idea of all this is to get compiz-fusion working, I just did the clean installs cause it was messing up before.
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> x_link: maybe ask on #kde
[11:03] <LiMaO> hey everyone, can i use evolution for calendar stuff, note taking and personal management without using it for email?
[11:03] <cdm10> Has anyone noticed issues with the rendering of the "i" in Firefox on Gutsy?
[11:03] <cdm10> LiMaO: I don't see why not...
[11:04] <x_link> nosrednaekim: They told me to ask here.
[11:05] <LiMaO> cdm10, gonna give it a try then.. as soon as i finish backing up
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> x_link: lol... umm google it
[11:07] <x_link> nosrednaekim: Trying to find it....
[11:07] <IndyGunFreak> wha tdo you want to change to konq/
[11:08] <x_link> IndyGunFreak: I don't want to use Dolphin, I want Konqueror instead.
[11:08] <nzero> anyone offhand remember the command to run VLC media player
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> hmm,
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> uh, vlc?
[11:08] <nzero> ok
[11:08] <nzero> dumb question
[11:08] <IndyGunFreak> nzero: lol, we all have those moments
[11:09] <nzero> i thought it was something like gvlc
[11:09] <nzero> but no
[11:09] <cdm10> Can anyone go to a wikipedia article and tell me whether they se this font rendering issue with the "i" letter? I have a screenshot here: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4383/fontissuegm8.png
[11:10] <nzero> does anyone know if they will have the mutlimonitor configuration feature working by final release
[11:10] <LiMaO> cdm10, no problems here
[11:10] <slackern> cdm10: It doesn't look like that for me not on any page i have seen atleast, got an url maybe to that link?
[11:10] <IndyGunFreak> me either.
[11:10] <cdm10> slackern: Any wikipedia page... here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish
[11:11] <cdm10> I have msttcorefonts installed, I'll try removing that.
[11:11] <LiMaO> have you tried right clicking the desktop, going to fonts and messing up with the settings there?
[11:11] <cdm10> LiMaO: I should...
[11:11] <LiMaO> i have it too, no problems with msttcorefonts
[11:11] <nzero> does anyone know if they will have the mutlimonitor configuration feature working by final release
[11:11] <cdm10> !repeat | nzero
[11:11] <ubotu> nzero: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:11] <x_link> IndyGunFreak: Do you know how I can do that?
[11:12] <IndyGunFreak> x_link: absolutely no clue
[11:12] <IndyGunFreak> i don't mess with KDE much
[11:12] <x_link> IndyGunFreak: Okej, sorry.
[11:12] <adi_> msttcorefonts install help nedeed in kubuntu
[11:12] <adi_> can anyone help??
[11:12] <cdm10> Same issue with fonts no matter the font settings I try.  I'll remove and reinstall one-by-one.
[11:13] <LiMaO> cdm10, it only happens on wikipedia?
[11:13] <cdm10> !anyone | adi_
[11:13] <ubotu> adi_: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:13] <x_link> Does anybody here in #Ubuntu+1 know how I can change from using Dolphin to Konqueror?
[11:13] <cdm10> LiMaO: I think I saw it somewhere else once, but I don't remember where.
[11:13] <cdm10> x_link: Doesn't KDE have a default browser selection thingy?
[11:13] <LiMaO> adi_, type apt-get install msttcorefonts on a terminal window
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> cdm10: thats for web browser I think
[11:13] <cdm10> nosrednaekim: Dammit, Dolphin is a filemanager.
[11:13] <adi_> I did that
[11:13] <cdm10> x_link: sorry 'bout taht
[11:14] <LiMaO> adi_, and?
[11:14] <adi_>  and Im stuck with xml files
[11:14] <Viper550> x_Link: You still have Konqueror. Dolphin is just a file manager
[11:14] <rothchild> what setting do I put in ccsm 'window decoration' to make compiz use my metacity theme for window decoration?
[11:14] <cdm10> adi_: what do you mean, stuck with xml files?
[11:14] <cdm10> adi_: It should add the fonts to your applications.
[11:14] <adi_> im on kubuntu kde
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> adi_: and....
[11:15] <x_link> Viper550: I know, but I want to change so that Konqueror opens when I doubleclick on my hardrive-icon.
[11:15] <cdm10> adi_: Yes, I realize that. It shouldn't change anything.
[11:15] <LiMaO> adi_, what does xml has to do with msttcorefonts?
[11:15] <adi_> on ubuntu I know how to do it
[11:15] <x_link> Don't want Dolphin to be default, I want Konqueror as default.
[11:15] <cdm10> adi_: sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts should do it...
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> adi_: it automatically configured them for me.
[11:15] <Viper550> Put a shortcut to konqueror on your desktop
[11:15] <adi_>  really
[11:15] <adi_> ?
[11:15] <slackern> cdm10: sorry a bit slow but this is how it looks for me. http://:<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/fish.png
[11:15] <adi_> I followed aome guides and
[11:15] <cdm10> adi_: You're not telling me what's happening. I don't know what you mean by "stuck with xml files."
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> adi_: yeah... where can't you find them?
[11:16] <adi_>  yeah ok
[11:16] <cdm10> slackern: Yeah, taht's what it's supposed to look like...
[11:16] <adi_> i installed msttcorefonts from adept
[11:16] <cdm10> Dammit I can't type today.
[11:16] <x_link> Damn it, I really don't find it anywhere.
[11:16] <wabiD> is there a way to set the default size of a window when i unmaximize it
[11:16] <freezerburn> guys I did not get the CompizConfig Settings Manager in my gutsy install.  also emerald so now I'm not sure what else is missing
[11:16] <cdm10> I'm going to try running without my nvidia drivers.
[11:16] <wabiD> firefox and gedit end up being the exact same size, which is really annoying
[11:16] <adi_> then i had to extract xml files in to some dir
[11:16] <cdm10> freezerburn: do sudo aptitude install emerald compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:16] <adi_> and this is where im stuck
[11:17] <cdm10> adi_: You shouldn't have to do that... if you've installed the msttcorefonts package, it should just work. Can you go to your office app and tell me if you see Times New
[11:17] <cdm10> damn, Times New Roman
[11:17] <LiMaO> adi_, msttcorefonts = a font package. after it's installed, it's installed. and that's it. no xml files to mess up with
[11:17] <adi_> realy??
[11:17] <LiMaO> adi_, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:17] <LiMaO> and that's just it
[11:17] <adi_> ok im trayin out now
[11:17] <LiMaO> it's installed
[11:17] <cdm10> adi_: Could you just check if the fonts are installed?
[11:18] <cdm10> adi_: Like, in an office app?
[11:18] <adi_> ok
[11:18] <adi_> 1 sek
[11:18] <LiMaO> i wonder where those xml files came from
[11:18] <LiMaO> hehe
[11:18] <x_link> cdm10: Do you use KDE?
[11:18] <cdm10> x_link: I've tried it, but I don't use it.
[11:18] <x_link> Okej =/
[11:19] <cdm10> Restarting X as soon as my Flickr upload is done...
[11:19] <x_link> I'm looking in KDE Components --> File Associations + File Manager. But there is nothing I can change.
[11:19] <adi_> no they are not installed
[11:19] <LiMaO> cdm10, what's your flikr page?
[11:19] <cdm10> LiMaO: Why?
[11:19] <adi_> but its my fallt
[11:19] <LiMaO> i'm into photography as a hobby too =)
[11:19] <cdm10> LiMaO: They're family-only photos :)
[11:20] <cdm10> LiMaO: I do black-and-white film photography in school, but my Flickr is mostly just quick snapshots.
[11:20] <adi_> i've unistalled them after  I thought the guide was not for me
[11:20] <adi_> im doing it now
[11:20] <LiMaO> oh ok, sorry for asking =)
[11:20] <cdm10> That's ok.
[11:20] <adi_> what was th shell command??
[11:20] <cdm10> adi_: sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts
[11:20] <adi_> ok
[11:21] <cdm10> LiMaO: I'd really like to get a DSLR so I can get more into digital photography as art.
[11:21] <LiMaO> i'm looking forward to buying a canon 40d
[11:21] <adi_> downloading.....
[11:21] <LiMaO> really want it
[11:21] <Aishiko> cdm10: I agree I would love the 12Mp DSLRs that are out there
[11:21] <adi_> then I have to reboot the machine
[11:21] <cdm10> LiMaO: I think if I get one, I'll get a Nikon. I'm normally a Canon guy, but for some reason I think NIkon is the way to go.
[11:22] <adi_> or just ctrl+alt+canc
[11:22] <cdm10> adi_: neither.
[11:22] <adi_> so how im going to see them on apps and in konqueror???
[11:22] <cdm10> Aishiko: I'm not looking for resolution with a DSLR... most DSLRs are about on par resolution-wise with compact cameras. I just like the bigger sensor size and other DSLR-ish things.
[11:22] <adi_> should I set them up??
[11:23] <cdm10> adi_: No, you'll just see them in your word processor in the fonts menu.
[11:23] <adi_> is this just for open office??
[11:23] <x_link> cdm10: I fixed it =)
[11:23] <cdm10> adi_: No, it's for anything.
[11:23] <cdm10> x_link: ok :)
[11:23] <adi_> cause I want to use them on all
[11:23] <adi_> ah ok
[11:23] <x_link> cdm10: I just did sudo aptitude purge dolphin =)
[11:24] <Aishiko> cdm10: I go for everything SLR like, including resolution, compact cameras are annoying to me and way to much of a uni-tasker to me
[11:24] <cdm10> x_link: Yeah, that would work :)
[11:24] <LiMaO> cdm10, i would get a 200D if i went for a nikon, but it's much more expensive
[11:24] <cdm10> LiMaO: Yeah :)
[11:24] <cdm10> I'll probably go for the low-end.
[11:24] <LiMaO> but i've been getting some pretty nice results from a point and shoot
[11:24] <LiMaO> let me give you my flickr link.. you can check it out if you want
[11:24] <cdm10> sure.
[11:25] <x_link> cdm10: =)
[11:25] <adi_> ok now I see times new roman on office
[11:25] <adi_> but not in the system
[11:25] <cdm10> Well, it's possible, but you can't do cool things like depth-of-field-changing and you can't change lenses. And the noise from the tiny sensor means that you can't use shots full-resolution unless you take them in really bright light.
[11:26] <adi_> ok many thanks cdm10
[11:31] <cdm10> Now I'll test the wikipedia page again...
[11:32] <Aishiko> anyone able to help me add a cups ppd to my system so I can use my printer?
[11:32] <cdm10> Nope, the nVidia driver is not the culprit. I'll remove all the font packages I installed and see if that solves everything.
[11:33] <stefg> annaimkonki: scanning and printing are completly different things. sanning is don with xsane, printing with cups
[11:35] <freezerburn> cdm10: ok did that.  I've got the windows sliding stuff but I can't get the cube to work
[11:36] <cdm10> freezerburn: In the general settings, set the horizontal size to 4
[11:37] <nzero> anyone know why gutsy can't remember your monitors after you tell it what they are and restart
[11:38] <Chri2>  I have a question..... I have compiz fusion installed porplery, but when I try to rotate the cube...it isn't a cube...it is just a flat rectangle...
[11:38] <Chri2> Please help..
[11:39] <cdm10> Chri2: That means your horizontal size is only 2.
[11:39] <cdm10> Chri2: I'm not sure how to set it to 4 without installing the advanced config editor, so run the command < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager >
[11:40] <cdm10> It's too bad fusion-icon isn't in the repos. I liked that functionality of Beryl.
[11:41] <riotkittie> yay. finally, i am experiencing weirdness :D
[11:41] <cdm10> That was weird...
[11:41] <riotkittie> what was?
[11:42] <cdm10> Your message..
[11:42] <Chri2> and then owhat?
[11:42] <riotkittie> oh. :D
[11:42] <Chri2> What is this command doing removing  everything?
[11:43] <cdm10> Chri2: aptitude finds stuff that's no longer needed and removes it. Other package managers don't, so Aptitude will sometimes find a lot of leftover dependencies.
[11:44] <Chri2> ...
[11:44] <Chri2> that just wiped out all of my settings
[11:44] <cdm10> Chri2: your compiz settings?
[11:44] <Chri2> ya
[11:44] <Chri2> i'll tell you my problem in more detail
[11:44] <Chri2> http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-set-up-Compiz-Fusion
[11:44] <Chri2> I used that guide
[11:44] <cdm10> Chri2: What settings? Before this is installed, there are no settings.
[11:44] <Chri2> an di installed compiz fusion
[11:44] <nzero> that guide is great
[11:44] <Chri2> and everything is fine...very smooth.. i fixed it up
[11:45] <Chri2> however, no matter what settings i change..
[11:45] <cdm10> Chri2: Are you on Gutsy?
[11:45] <Chri2> when i rotate the "cube" it doesn't look like a cunbe
[11:45] <Chri2> yep
[11:45] <Chri2> no
[11:45] <Chri2> sorry
[11:45] <Chri2> feisty
[11:45] <nzero> chri2
[11:45] <cdm10> Chri2: Well, no wonder my command screwed you up.
[11:45] <Chri2> lol
[11:45] <LiMaO> what's the best way to install firefox 32bit + java + flash on gutsy 64bit?
[11:45] <riotkittie> aw :( weirdness over.
[11:45] <cdm10> Chri2: This is a gutsy support channel, you should be in #ubuntu
[11:45] <Chri2> ohh
[11:45] <Chri2> they told me to come here
[11:45] <Chri2> when i asked this question
[11:45] <nzero> go to general configuration in fusion
[11:45] <Chri2> ok nero
[11:45] <nzero> chri2
[11:46] <cdm10> Chri2: That's because they thought you were using Gutsy...
[11:46] <Chri2> but i just wiped out all my settings
[11:46] <Chri2> one sec nero..
[11:46] <Chri2> how do i fix what i did, cdm?
[11:46] <Chri2> do i just have to reinstall from synaptic?
[11:46] <cdm10> Chri2: No, just reconfigure...
[11:46] <Chri2> ok, how?
[11:46] <cdm10> Chri2: and I'm not really sure what got messed up, so I can't help you.
[11:46] <Chri2> no like
[11:46] <nzero> go to desktop size and set your horizontal size to 4
[11:46] <Chri2> ok
[11:46] <Chri2> but 1 sec
[11:46] <Chri2> cdm...
[11:46] <nzero> use the up arrows instead of the slider
[11:46] <Chri2> in compiz settings
[11:46] <Chri2> it shows no settings..
[11:46] <Chri2> no boxes...nothing
[11:47] <nzero> click general options
[11:47] <Chri2> they are all wiped out now
[11:47] <Chri2> there are no general options
[11:47] <nzero> there is nothing?
[11:47] <Chri2> because
[11:47] <Chri2> cdm gave me  command to run
[11:47] <Chri2> and it removed a bunch of things?
[11:47] <cdm10> Chri2: Well, I assumed you were on Gutsy because this is the Gutsy channel. Find the guide you used to install Compiz Fusion on Feisty and re-follow it.
[11:47] <Chri2> ok..
[11:47] <Chri2> so can i just reinstall fusion?
[11:47] <Chri2> ok
[11:48] <Chri2> brb
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> lol, what a maroon
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10: how dare you give answers like he's using gutsy, in gutsy support..lol
[11:49] <cdm10> :)
[11:49] <IndyGunFreak> he prolly came here, cuz its slowre than #ubuntu
[11:50] <cdm10> IndyGunFreak: No, they told him to come here... because he said he was using Fusion.
[11:50] <gutsy> hello, i've installed Gutsy Gibbon and i want to desactivate compiz in shell (in the recovery mode). how can i do it?
[11:50] <IndyGunFreak> cdm10: oh ok.
[11:50] <Ng> are the nvidia-glx-new drivers usable atm?
[11:51] <cdm10> Ng: Working for me, although I last updated 2 days ago.
[11:51] <Ng> cdm10: ok, ta. unfortunately the person asking me about it has already installed the official nvidia drivers first, so I have no idea what they've done to their system :/
[11:52] <gutsy> plase, how can i desactivate compiz in recovery mode?
[11:52] <cdm10> Ng: Damn, I HAT
[11:52] <cdm10> shoot
[11:52] <cdm10> I HATE when people do taht.
[11:52] <cdm10> !repeat | gutsy
[11:52] <ubotu> gutsy: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:52] <gutsy> ok, sorry, thanks ubotu
[11:52] <cdm10> gutsy: Why, is compiz making your system unusable?
[11:53] <gutsy> because i have a extrange video card
[11:53] <Ng> gutsy: the easiest way to do it would be to log in as normal, then drop to a console (ctrl-alt-F1), log in and run "metacity --replace". Ctrl-Alt-F7 will take you back to the graphical interface and you can use System->Preferences->Appearance to disable visual effects
[11:53] <_dan_> gutsy u can do a mv /usr/bin/compiz to /usr/bin/compizBAKCUP so compiz wont get executed on startup
[11:53] <gutsy> thanks Ng, but when i log normal, the screen becomes white
[11:53] <_dan_> in case compiz startup breakes your x for some reason
[11:53] <Ng> gutsy: that's fine, you can do the ctrl-alt-f1 at that point
[11:54] <gutsy> thanks _dan_, i'm goingo to try it now
[11:54] <Ng> gutsy: running metacity will stop compiz
[11:54] <Ng> gutsy: please try mine before _dan_'s
[11:54] <cdm10> gutsy: Don't do _dan_'s
[11:54] <Ng> it is way less invasive
[11:54] <gutsy> ok, one second, i'm in recovery mode :P
[11:54] <cdm10> gutsy: or at least do it as a last resort
[11:54] <_dan_> yeah pls dont do mine, mine is evil :P
[11:55] <cabajgtr> Can the new resolution manager switch between mirror and xinerama modes?
[11:55] <cabajgtr> I can't find a switch
[11:55] <gutsy> in tty2: metacity --replace (Unable to open X display)
[11:55] <_dan_> what a surprise...
[11:56] <_dan_> but i thought i shouldnt spoil the fun :P
[11:56] <Ng> gutsy: oh, sorry, I missed a step... export DISPLAY=:0.0
[11:56] <Ng> then metacity --replace
[11:56] <Ng> my bad
[11:56] <gutsy> o, ok, i don't know this comand, thanks
[11:57] <gutsy> yes, it runs!!
[11:57] <gutsy> thanks
[11:57] <Ng> :)
[11:57] <_dan_> guardian are u using latest nvidia driver?
[11:57] <_dan_> i ad a similar bug with old ones
[11:57] <gutsy> realy thanks Ng and thanks to you _dan_
[11:58] <_dan_> gutsy did u try the nvidia-glx-new package?
[11:59] <gutsy> no, i've ATI
[11:59] <gutsy> it seems i've make a mistake....
[11:59] <gutsy> o my god, i'm crazy
[11:59] <robinson> wassup
[12:00] <_dan_> gutsy ah sry
[12:00] <gutsy> i've installed Feisty, not Gutsy, but i say to mi old Feisty that every time y boot, it activate compiz...
[12:00] <robinson> having a problem with the mixer in Kubuntu Gutsy on my laptop, anybody game?
[12:00] <gutsy> i did a mistake in donwload page
[12:00] <gutsy> sorry :s
[12:00] <robinson> the mixer channel does not work, but the PCM does..
[12:00] <_dan_> gutsy do to preferences -> desktop effects   u can disable them there
[12:00] <Chri2> ok.. so i fixed the cube thing...
[12:00] <robinson> While this is not too big a problem, i need my laptop volume buttons to adjust the PCM channel, since the master doesnt work
[12:01] <Chri2> here's another question... how can I make compiz never go under 60 fps?
[12:01] <gutsy> ok, really thanks to you :)
[12:01] <Chri2> I have a geforce 7800 gs... it should be flawless
[12:01] <Chri2> any tips?
[12:01] <Chri2> also...i'm not sure why my nvidia-settings anti-aliasing settings don't affect compiz fusion..
[12:01] <slackern> robinson: i had a similar issue like you do, but with a regular desktop machine, i was in Gnome though and i had to go to sound options and set which device the volume up/down would adjust
[12:01] <_dan_> Chri2 u can set refresh rate in options
[12:02] <Chri2> yeah
[12:02] <Chri2> i set it to the highest
[12:02] <_dan_> dont
[12:02] <Chri2> don't what?
[12:02] <_dan_> set it to your refresh rate of monitor and enable sync to vblank
[12:02] <gutsy> thanks, bye! :)
[12:02] <_dan_> dont set to highest
[12:02] <robinson> slackern: i am using KDE. but the issue is not the desktop environment, best i can tell. I get the same results running alsamixer in the terminal
[12:02] <Chri2> ok
[12:02] <Chri2> but how can i tell my rf resh rat
[12:02] <Chri2> ei have an lcd..
[12:02] <robinson> moving the master sider does not effect the volume at all
[12:02] <Chri2> i thought thye don't use refresh rates
[12:03] <_dan_> nvidia settings will tell you if u got nvidia
[12:03] <_dan_> normally its 60 70 or 75
[12:03] <Chri2> ahh
[12:03] <Chri2> ok cool
[12:03] <Chri2> it's on auto
[12:03] <Chri2> so i should change it..
[12:03] <slackern> robinson: ahh maybe it's not the same issue then
[12:03] <Chri2> but... how can i make anti aliasing work?
[12:03] <_dan_> in the monitor section
[12:03] <Chri2> like when i rotate, the cube i want it to look perfect..
[12:03] <_dan_> nvidia settings tells uz
[12:03] <Blackgoth> hmm i have a problem with rhytembox :/
[12:03] <Chri2> ya
[12:03] <_dan_> mine says 60.02 :P
[12:03] <Chri2> but how can i make anti aliasing work? it doesn't seem to affect naything
[12:04] <robinson> ubuntu seems kinda slow to uodate alsa.. i think it is an alsa issue, though
[12:04] <Chri2> any ideas anyone??
[12:05] <Chri2> any idea how to get anti aliasing to work for compiz?? i have it set to the highest, but it doesn't make it look better
[12:05] <_dan_> do u see aliasing effects?
[12:07] <Chri2> what do you mean?
[12:07] <Chri2> in nvidia-settings, i know wher eit is
[12:07] <Chri2> i have them set to the highest...but it doens't make copmiz fusion look better
[12:07] <Chri2> in beryl it made it look better by wonders
[12:07] <_dan_> define better
[12:08] <Chri2> like..
[12:08] <Chri2> when you move a window
[12:08] <cdm10> Is there any way to add --indirect to the compiz command line when it starts when I log in, without adding compiz --replace --indirect to my startup?
[12:08] <Chri2> you don't se the edges all not line up
[12:09] <Chri2> and when you rotate the cube it looks like perfect straight lines... not all jaggy
[12:09] <Assid> hrmm
[12:09] <Chri2> it eliminates jaggies
[12:09] <cdm10> Beryl used to let you set that as a permanent setting, but now you seem to have to relaunch compiz with that option.
[12:09] <Assid> i can never get cairo clock and compiz together
[12:10] <cdm10> Isn't that the whole point of cairo clock?
[12:10] <_dan_> Chri2 when u move a window and it looks bad, enable sync to vblank    worked wonders for me
[12:10] <_dan_> for the cube move, looks bad here too
[12:11] <Assid> cdm10: ?
[12:11] <Assid> oh yeah
[12:11] <cdm10> I haven't tried it.
[12:11] <Assid> i got something very odd.. it looked like a tv screen gone bad
[12:11] <Assid> black and white lines .. horizontally across
[12:11] <Assid> i had to restart x to clear it.. anyone know whats up?
[12:11] <Chri2> ya, it helped me a lot too
[12:11] <Chri2> thanks
[12:12] <Chri2> brb!
[12:16] <goat|work> hello, so can someone explain this to me.  when i installed breezy/dapper some long time ago, i remember ubuntu saying they would have an LTS release every 3rd release.   Do I remember that incorrectly or has Gutsy ever been considered for LTS?
[12:16] <cdm10> goat|work: Hardy (next release) will be LTS.
[12:16] <goat|work> yeah
[12:17] <savvas> and the next one will be itchy iguana
[12:17] <savvas> :P
[12:17] <amicitas> I am having some problems with my resolution and refresh.  I would like to report this as a bug, but I am not sure whether to report is as a displayconfig-gtk bug, or an xorg bug.  There are two problems that I am having.  The first one is that in the the correct refresh rates are not showing up in displayconfig-gtk or in gnome-display-manager.  For the 1600x1200 resolution the available refresh rates show up as 50, 51, 52, 53Hz or
[12:20] <savvas> amicitas: and I bet $50 that you use nvidia graphics card
[12:20] <amicitas> yup
[12:21] <savvas> the bug is due to their restricted genious, dynamictwinview must be disabled in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:21] <savvas> unfortunately it's been bugging me for 3 releases so far :p
[12:22] <savvas> amicitas: open a terminal and type this: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <amicitas> savvas: So can I take it that this is a known bug and I shouldn't bother trying to report it?
[12:22] <nzero> hey, where do i configure file associations
[12:22] <savvas> amicitas: well.. you could complain at nvidia :)
[12:22] <wabiD> is there a way to give my virtual desktops 2 different backgrounds
[12:23] <amicitas> savvas: I have the xorg.conf file open, what next?
[12:23] <wabiD> and sets of desktop icons
[12:23] <savvas> amicitas: scroll down to the section "Device"
[12:23] <LiMaO> could anyone do me a favor? i need to know if a site is having problems with the java applet or if it's just me. https://www2.bancobrasil.com.br/aapf/login.jsp?aapf.IDH=sim  --> does the java applet load and show some numbers??
[12:23] <savvas> amicitas: do you see a line there with: option "nologo" "true" ?
[12:24] <amicitas> savvas: yes I added that line.
[12:24] <nzero> hey, where do i configure file associations
[12:24] <savvas> ah great
[12:24] <savvas> amicitas: add this line afterwards: Option         "DynamicTwinView" "False"
[12:25] <ppj> man i cant wait until this is totally stable
[12:25] <savvas> amicitas: save it and restart your desktop manager, if it's ubuntu (gnome): sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:25] <LiMaO> no one will answer me? =/
[12:25] <Chri2> back again.. I';m having a problem
[12:25] <Chri2> in nvidia-settings...it says the refresh rate is auto...
[12:25] <Chri2> I need it to stay at 75 hz
[12:25] <snoip> I've run Ubuntu for quite a while, switched from Mandriva after video problems...  video problems returned after jumping to Gutsy...  HELP!
[12:26] <amicitas> savvas: Ok I will give it a shot. Thanks for the help.
[12:26] <savvas> LiMaO: I'd help you if java had a 64-bit plugin :)
[12:26] <ppj> i'd help you if i had a browser
[12:27] <savvas> what's the matter ppj ?
[12:27] <Chri2> so everytime i restart ubuntu it goes back to auto...how can i fix this????
[12:27] <LiMaO> savvas, that's exactly the problem i'm having. i'm trying 32bit firefox + java, on my 64bit gutsy
[12:27] <savvas> cat ate it? :P
[12:27] <Chri2> anyone!?!?!
[12:27] <ppj> savvas: oh nothing, just init 3 right now editing some configs
[12:27] <rexy> Chri2: auto what?
[12:28] <Chri2> ok.. in nvidia-settings....it says the refresh rate is at "auto"
[12:28] <_dan_> Chri2 go to the monitor tab
[12:28] <Chri2> i need to make it stay at 75 hz.. my monitor
[12:28] <Chri2> ok
[12:28] <_dan_> and see what your actually refresh rate is
[12:28] <Chri2> in the monitor  tab it doesn't show anything of what i need
[12:28] <Chri2> no
[12:29] <Chri2> it's not correct in there
[12:29] <Chri2> it's correcet in "nvidia-settings"
[12:29] <_dan_> it does for me
[12:29] <Chri2> and it is displayed at 1440x900...but in the monitor properties (of ubuntu) it doesnt;' even show my resoltuion
[12:29] <_dan_> monitor section in nvidia-settings
[12:29] <Chri2> oh ok
[12:29] <Chri2> yeah i'm there
[12:29] <Chri2> it says 1440x900   and auto
[12:29] <_dan_> the ubunu resolution setting is totally unusable (for me) do it only with vnidia-settings
[12:29] <_dan_> no not there
[12:29] <Chri2> ok
[12:30] <_dan_> u are lookin in the x server display blablubb
[12:30] <_dan_> go down to dfp-p samsung synmaster (for me) section
[12:30] <Chri2> yes
[12:30] <Chri2> i am lookign there
[12:30] <_dan_> there u will see your actualy refresh rate
[12:30] <neh> are there daily cd builds of gutsy anywhere?
[12:30] <Chri2> 1 sec]
[12:30] <Chri2> i don't see that?/
[12:31] <_dan_> shall i make u a screenshot?
[12:31] <Chri2> i am on the tab X Server Display Configuration
[12:31] <Chri2> sure
[12:31] <Chri2> brb
[12:31] <savvas> LiMaO: I wonder if the 64-bit firefox could take a 32-bit plugin :\
[12:31] <Chri2> i will brb in 2 secs
[12:32] <LiMaO> savvas, it cant. i used Kilz's script, which installs 32bit firefox + flash + java
[12:33] <LiMaO> although java is now supported natively
[12:33] <Chri2> it syas the refresh rate no where...accpet in the X server tab
[12:33] <Chri2> wher eit says 1440x 900 and the refresh rate as (Auto)
[12:34] <_dan_> Chri2 http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotlp5.png
[12:34] <_dan_> there u will find your refresh rate
[12:34] <Chri2> ahh
[12:34] <Chri2> i don't have that screen
[12:34] <Chri2> on mine
[12:34] <Chri2> i mean..
[12:34] <Chri2> that tab
[12:34] <ppj> locate kde.desktop
[12:34] <ppj> er
[12:35] <_dan_> try to update to nvidia-glx-new? but i dont know if that setting thingie is in that package
[12:35] <Chri2> maybe one of us has older driveres?
[12:35] <Chri2> i have it
[12:35] <Chri2> i have nvidia-glx-new
[12:35] <_dan_> Chri2 u can always set metamode by hand like i did
[12:35] <Chri2> ya
[12:35] <Chri2> so, how do I do it? in xorg.conf?
[12:35] <_dan_>  Option         "metamodes" "DFP-0: 1280x1024_60"
[12:35] <_dan_>    is it for me
[12:35] <LiMaO> _dan_, what are you using to display download/upload rates on the panel?
[12:36] <_dan_> netspeed-applet
[12:36] <_dan_> or netspeed
[12:36] <LiMaO> is it default? or have to be downloaded?
[12:36] <_dan_> apt-cache search for netspeed
[12:36] <_dan_> its not in default installation
[12:36] <LiMaO> hmm great, will get it, thank you
[12:36] <Chri2> ??
[12:36] <Chri2> i don't know what you are saying
[12:37] <Chri2> hey under Section "Screen"
[12:37] <snoip> anyone had this?... My 'terminal' is only giving a white rectangle, no menu, no borders, NO TEXT!  But still reacts to keystrokes... "exit" closes it... like white text on white bckgrnd...
[12:37] <Chri2> in xorg.conf...
[12:37] <Chri2> can i change the resolutions to
[12:37] <Chri2> "1440x900_75.00"
[12:37] <Chri2> ?
[12:37] <Chri2> with the 75 addition o nthe end?
[12:37] <ppj> i just installed the kde4base-dev and can't find the kde4.desktop
[12:37] <ppj> hm
[12:38] <panosru> hi, why i don't have sound on flash movies? :(
[12:38] <_dan_> nvidia-settings can generate a meta mode line for u to under advanced settings
[12:38] <Viper550> panosru: It uses ALSA
[12:38] <Chri2> ok..
[12:38] <panosru> Viper550 and... ?
[12:39] <Viper550> just thought you'd like to know
[12:39] <LiMaO> yay, now i can see the used bandwidth from within any application =D
[12:39] <Chri2> you'te cpnfsing me too much
[12:39] <Chri2> sorry
[12:40] <savvas> does nspluginwrapper work with 32-bit java?
[12:41] <seag33k> I just did a clean install using the beta version and now my wireless won't work on my IBM T61 using the intel 4965 card.  Anyone know how to fix this?
[12:43] <savvas> hm.. maybe this "gcjwebplugin" package does the trick for web java stuff
[12:43] <LiMaO> it doesn't
[12:43] <LiMaO> it'll crash on most sites
[12:43] <LiMaO> and it doesn't have a security manager
[12:44] <savvas> thanks for the warning :P
[12:44] <LiMaO> the only way to have java fully working on a 64bit sys is to install 32bit firefox
[12:44] <LiMaO> and preferably using Kilz's script
[12:44] <savvas> nspluginwrapper with the 32-bit version?
[12:45] <LiMaO> i think it's how it works
[12:45] <snoip> has anyone seen a terminal session with white text on a white background?
[12:45] <ikonia> just change the colourws
[12:45] <LiMaO> it's working to load any other java site.. except for that one.. and that's exactly the only one i need.. my homebanking access
[12:46] <snoip> ikonia:  how?
[12:46] <ikonia> from the drop down menu on the terminal
[12:46] <LiMaO> snoip, Edit > Profiles
[12:46] <LiMaO> then choose the default profile, edit
[12:46] <snoip> terminal shows up as a white rectangle; no borders, no menus, just white...
[12:46] <LiMaO> check out the colors tab
[12:47] <ikonia> oh, thats different
[12:47] <ikonia> snoip: are you using nvidia drivers ?
[12:47] <snoip> very different.
[12:47] <snoip> yes, nvidia.
[12:48] <snoip> all was well in fiesty, this just started with gutsy.
[12:48] <ikonia> rats, I saw this in fesity ages ago. From memory its something to do with the frambuffer driver in nvidia
[12:48] <ikonia> let me search the bug report, there is a fix
[12:48] <LiMaO> i can't believe i'll have to install another OS on virtualbox just to check it out hehe
[12:48] <ikonia> not seen it in gusty
[12:49] <crosstalk> question: what is the app name of the printing dialog box used in Eog/Evolution?
[12:49] <snoip> ikonia:  no borders on any windows at all... related problem?  I saw it in mandriva w/ nvidia...
[12:49] <snoip> when compiz was installed, but not before.
[12:49] <ikonia> snoip: its an nvidia driver issue, not seen it in gusty but it was common in fesity
[12:49] <jason> is this considered the programmers channel
[12:50] <Vorbote> jason: no
[12:50] <Tm_T> nope
[12:50] <snoip> ikonia:  never saw it in fiesty, just now in gutsy!
[12:50] <snoip> any workarounds?
[12:50] <ikonia> as I said, there is a fix in the bug report
[12:50] <jason> could you guide me to which channel is the programmers channels
[12:50] <Konam> snoip what's your problem?
[12:50] <snoip> oh -- sorry...  i'll check it out...
[12:50] <ikonia> jason programmers for what ?
[12:51] <jason> ubuntu
[12:51] <ikonia> snoip: I'm looking for myself too
[12:51] <ikonia> jason ubuntu is a distro made up of applications, which applications
[12:51] <Vorbote> jason: #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu
[12:51] <jason> yes thanks
[12:51] <Konam> someone knows how I can customize the compiz effects? in Feisty we have a wizard to do so
[12:51] <snoip> Konam...  short version... Mandriva had video problems, never solved... so I wiped and installed fiesty...
[12:52] <snoip> No probs in fiesty, beryl and all.
[12:52] <Vorbote> But be warned. This is the support channel for the development version. Those channels are for actual planning and packaging help.
[12:52] <snoip> installed gutsy today, no borders, no text visible in terminal...
[12:52] <snoip> just a white rectangle...
[12:52] <snoip> but it reacts to keystrokes...
[12:52] <snoip> just cant see any output!
[12:54] <Konam> snoip don't know, i'm using gutsy right now with compiz enabled and everythings fine
[12:55] <snoip> the 'white on white' is new, but the 'no borders' is something old... nvidia vs linux...
[12:56] <_dan_> for thw white try nvidia-glx-new
[12:56] <crosstalk> what is the name of the app that provides the print dialog box in Eog/Evolution?
[12:56] <_dan_> for the border try gtk-window-decorator --replace and/or   Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[12:56] <crosstalk> Can print to my printer from any other app besides ones that use that particular dialog box
[12:56] <ikonia> there you go, well found dan
[12:57] <snoip> worth a shot...
[12:59] <snoip> ikonia - dan -- ummm... where do I do this?  Can't see any change (or output!)
[01:03] <savvas> I wonder if iced-tea would be a nice substitute for java
[01:05] <scottDkoDer> Is mepis deb based?
[01:07] <snoip> oops... i'm back... dan, ikonia... what were the commands again?
[01:07] <WorkingOnWise> ok, I have jumped off the cliff here and put Ubuntu 7.1 on my laptop. I am wayyyyy impressed! desktop effects required 4 clicks and a reboot! mp3 codecs took 2 clicks! Nice job! On to my problem.  Um, Grub does not show Windows in the boot menu...whats the fastest way back into windows?
[01:10] <DeepB> scottDkoDer: yes
[01:11] <snadge> thats such a noobish question.. first of all you're going to receive the obligatory "if you dont know what you're doing, don't run the beta" .. second, maybe someone will point you to /boot/grub/menu.lst file and possibly the grub documentation
[01:12] <nunofgs> Can anyone get vmware server to work with gutsy? I've searched the forums but my problem hasn't been mentioned. It seems to compile vmmon just fine, and /dev/vmmon exists, but it gives an error when I try to start a virtual machine. The logfile says: "/dev/vmmon doesnt exist"
[01:15] <scottDkoDer> thx DeepB
[01:15] <mon^rch> program "AllTray" will not work when compiz is enabled. (works great with metacity)
[01:17] <savvas> mon^rch: your comment @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alltray/+bug/106583
[01:17] <Vorbote> nunofgs: you need get a copy of vmware-any-any-update version 113 or later (google for it).
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106583 in alltray "No windows hiding with compiz" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:18] <mon^rch> tx for the info...


[01:11] <RichJ> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/tmp/edgy1.png
[01:11] <RichJ> market the hottness there
[03:26] <klepas_Zzz> moin
[05:06] <adamant1988> hello all
[05:31] <adamant1988> hello Burgundavia
[06:11] <Burgundavia> hey adamant1988
[06:23] <adamant1988> back
[06:27] <nixternal> well hello there
[06:27] <jbrouhard> heya nixternal
[06:27] <nixternal> ok, i have an issue, well not an issue, but i thought about something i think is good..and since burg is around, i would enjoy his info as well
[06:27] <nixternal> wiki pages for marketing, press team, and magazine
[06:28] <nixternal> Ubuntu Marketing project i propose to be located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Marketing     and everything Marketing falls underneath it including https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Marketing
[06:29] <nixternal> Ubuntu Magazine project I propose https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Magazine and everything related subpages under that i.e., Magazine/SubPage
[06:29] <nixternal> the same goes for press
[06:29] <nixternal> Marketing is a project, and MarketingTeam is a team..do we want people going to the MarketingTeam wiki page, or a Marketing wiki page...team page for team stuff, and marketing page, for marketing stuff for the world
[06:30] <nixternal> hiya jbrouhard
[06:30] <adamant1988> sounds good to me.
[06:31] <nixternal> arg, joing #i_love_novell already ;)
[06:31] <nixternal> join too
[06:31] <adamant1988> haha
[06:31] <adamant1988> I don't mind novell
[06:31] <nixternal> well, i have worked in novell environments since the very early 90's, and i can honestly say, 'i hate novell'
[06:32] <adamant1988> haha ok :)
[06:32] <nixternal> novell had to pick up linux, because they were tired of being an oxymoron 'secure windows'
[06:32] <nixternal> they thought for the longest time that their communications were far more securer...heh, that is to funny
[06:33] <nixternal> ya, secure in the fact that if you didn't have a client you was sklewed..ok this is off topic...im done and i apologize..
[06:34] <adamant1988> lol.. all that from a mention of XGL
[06:37] <nixternal> ya, novell makes my skin crawl
[07:45] <adamant1988> well I just broke my computer
[07:45] <adamant1988> this will be fun to fix =\
[08:16] <adamant1988> hey all
[12:02] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[12:03] <darkmatter_> err... that's 'Mr' program... don't forget it :P
[12:04] <digitalmouse> heh
[12:04] <digitalmouse> capitol letters are overrated :-p
[12:04] <digitalmouse> capital*
[12:04] <darkmatter_> lol
[05:42] <adamant1988> hello all
[05:48] <KenSentMe> hi
[05:48] <adamant1988> how's everyone today?
[05:49] <KenSentMe> i'm fine. Just watch the Tour de France and saw an amazing match
[05:49] <KenSentMe> /s/watch/watched
[05:50] <adamant1988> oh yeah?
[05:50] <adamant1988> cool
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1990777,00.asp havent read it, just got linked to it.
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> This latest Ubuntu release, which became available in June, has won our ardor with a tight focus on desktop usability; an extremely active, helpful and organized user community; and a software installation and management framework that's unsurpassed on any OS platform.
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, gnight
[08:09] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594204855756/
[08:20] <MenZa> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/13/0,1425,sz=1&i=133737,00.jpg <- hehehehe
[08:24] <nixternal> nice
[09:25] <poningru_work> where's all the presentations and stuff?
[09:26] <poningru_work> I looked on wiki
[09:26] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[09:26] <poningru_work> thanks
[10:40] <nixternal> sure is quiet around here


[03:38] <mup> Bug #1675981 opened: Rackd HA doesn't work, DHCP unavailable <docteam> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675981>
[03:44] <mup> Bug #1675981 changed: Rackd HA doesn't work, DHCP unavailable <docteam> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675981>
[03:53] <mup> Bug #1675981 opened: Rackd HA doesn't work, DHCP unavailable <docteam> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1675981>
[05:39] <ybaumy> could there be a option for
[05:40] <ybaumy> maas user machines .. tags add ...
[05:40] <ybaumy> to assign tags to a bunch of machines
[05:57] <ybaumy> it would also be nice if using the hostname or fqdn of a machine would be possible
[12:43] <pmatulis> ybaumy, https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.1/en/manage-cli-tags


[14:59]  * AlanBell waves a hand in the general direction of the next meeting date in the topic
[16:52] <pleia2> I'm not sure what we'll do about the next meeting, it's during UDS so elky won't be awake to chair, and neither will hypatia or I
[16:52] <pleia2> I think we'll just cancel it and call whatever UDS meetup that happens our meeting
[16:52] <pleia2> which reminds me, we need a blueprint
[16:53] <pleia2> has anyone been working on one?
[16:53] <Pendulum> elky had the mentoring blueprint, but I'm not sure if I know about any others
[16:53]  * Pendulum has been focusing on sorting the accessibility blueprint
[16:54]  * pleia2 nods
[16:54] <pleia2> I think we want one outlining our natty goals
[16:54] <pleia2> mentoring, website going wikified, what else?
[16:55] <pleia2> adding this to my todo list for the week, probably won't get to it right away though so if anyone has comments, please share :)
[16:56]  * jledbetter_ is definitely looking forward to the mentoring one :)
[16:57] <jledbetter_> Speaking of mentoring. Reminder: Applications are due October 25    http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2010
[16:59] <Pendulum> they changed the date
[17:00] <Pendulum> ?
[17:00] <Pendulum> (I thought applications had been due today)
[17:09] <jledbetter_> I can't remember. But it if you have yours already in, then awesome :)
[17:09] <Pendulum> I'm actually unsure if I'm going to manage it
[17:09] <Pendulum> although if it's due next week then there's a better chance
[17:09] <Pendulum> just not sure if I can balance it with the health stuff
[17:10] <jledbetter_> Have you contributed yet?
[17:11] <Pendulum> no
[17:11] <Pendulum> that's the big hold-up
[17:11] <Pendulum> trying to find a bug I can fix easily :)
[17:28] <jledbetter_> Me too. Which is one of the reasons I'm very interested in the mentoring program here. I don't know what is easy much less how to fix it :)
[18:22] <nigelb> jledbetter_: look for gnome-love bugs
[18:22] <nigelb> they are generally easier to fix and small tasks left out for beginners :)
[18:23] <jledbetter_> Hm, ok
[18:24]  * nigelb has never tried


[14:18] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:19] <rick_h__> morning
[14:20] <jgransden> morning
[14:22] <_stink_> yo
[14:25] <aleph_one> hail
[14:48] <widox> morning. and tgif!


[04:13] <hackman> I've got an ATI card, running fglrx.  How do I set the default resolution?  X always comes up in 1680x1050.  I want it to start in 1920x1080.
[04:14] <hackman> xorg.conf: Section "Screen", Modes    "1920x1080"
[04:14] <hackman> set with aticonfig --resolution
[04:15] <hackman> I think the 1680x1050 is coming from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
[04:40] <pteague> ok, i'm having way to many frustrating problems with nfs & uid/gids not matching between frontend & backend... is there a way to inject a /etc/passwd & /etc/group during the install process?
[22:58] <olskolirc> im on lucid kubuntu - should I just install mythtv or mythbuntu-desktop and does it come configured now a days?  I let it go b/c I didn't understand about server setup or the sql stuff
[23:19] <tgm4883> olskolirc, you still have to do mythtv-setup
[23:20] <tgm4883> you should probably install mythbuntu-control-centre and let that installl what you need
[23:20] <olskolirc> should i get mythtv or the whole desktop tgm4883
[23:20] <olskolirc> oh way cool
[23:20] <tgm4883> see previous statement
[23:20] <olskolirc> install just the control center or mythtv and the control center
[23:20] <tgm4883> yea, grab that and then let it install what you need (ie, mythtv frontend, mythtv backend)
[23:20] <tgm4883> just the control center
[23:20] <olskolirc> oh ok
[23:20] <olskolirc> but I still have to set it all up huh
[23:21] <tgm4883> !existing
[23:21] <Zinn> http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[23:30] <olskolirc> whats the difference between a backend and a frontend for mythtv?


[16:36] <gf2> Hello. Does do the licensing files for Thunderbird get added by the Ubuntu packaging or are they added by the Mozilla team? On the following bug, the reporter says it is Ubuntu packaging team. I am not sure. Could someone let me know if that is the case, and if so, which package I should add to this bug report? Thanks.    G.
[16:36] <gf2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1028267


[19:55] <n0wje> anyone online to help?
[20:06] <protonchris> n0wje: What's up?
[23:12] <mneptok> what suspense!
[23:17] <n0wje> sorry walked awy for ahile!
[23:17] <n0wje> away
[23:18] <n0wje> it is very hot today
[23:21] <n0wje> ifconfig
[23:21] <n0wje> wrong terminal.


[00:14] <Oderus> specifically those highlighted in red here http://pasteboard.co/5b2bVqis7.png
[00:16] <viper123_> hey
[00:17] <viper123_> how do i make ubuntu make work? with the sound as well
[00:19] <viper123_> any1 there
[00:20] <Oderus> i'm here but i am not sure i understand the question
[00:22] <viper123_> hey thank u for the respond
[00:22] <viper123_> well basically, i am using an ubuntu, operating system
[00:22] <viper123_> i wish to make it work even with the sound (sound is currently unwork)
[00:23] <viper123_> how shall i proceed ?
[00:23] <Oderus> first thing i would do is to check the driver manager
[00:23] <Oderus> once you start the driver manager it will check if it has a good driver for you that isnt installed
[00:24] <viper123_> how do i start driver manager please oderus
[00:24] <Oderus> it should be in your menus somewhere, i am using Kubuntu so its a bit different than Ubuntu,
[00:25] <sidetracking> viper123_ what is ur linux version
[00:25] <viper123_> if u am help me, to the fullest extent with working sound, i will gladly easily paypal u $6
[00:25] <viper123_> what menus
[00:25] <Oderus> ohhhh its not about the money just about the help :)
[00:25] <viper123_> sidetracking i am using ubuntu version something buddy
[00:25] <sidetracking> ah
[00:25] <viper123_> i dont know how to check, please forgive
[00:25] <sidetracking> i see i see
[00:26] <viper123_> oderus
[00:26] <viper123_> ok but u are helping me yes?
[00:26] <Oderus> if you click the menu and type "about" and click there, it should tell you
[00:26] <Oderus> i will try
[00:27] <Oderus> might be better off asking in #ubuntu as well, theres a lot more responsive people there.
[00:28] <viper123_> yes i know that but i am using a combinaton of other linux :)
[00:29] <Oderus> ah ok. well that would be my first thing, to check the drivers.
[00:29] <Oderus> after that i would check the volumes and etc
[00:30] <Oderus> if still nothing then i would go to shell, type lspci, find my soundcard, then google the appropriate driver
[01:16] <Oderus> hi! i'm on day 2 of trying to figure out how to change these specific icons that i have outlined in red in the attached screenshot. I have changed a lot of icons but still no luck. Anyone happen to know the location of these files so i can change them? Even the location of the config file that points to them would help. Thanks in advance. http://pasteboard.co/5b2bVqis7.png
[01:17] <valorie> Oderus: those are stock Breeze icons, afaik
[01:17] <valorie> change your theme to something else, and they will change
[01:18] <valorie> I like breeze, so I never tried
[01:19] <valorie> you seem to be crossposting, which is rather annoying
[01:19] <Oderus> yes that does work, even though i have gone through all the files. I'm trying to replace them with specific ones. I've replaced every instance of them in breeze.
[01:20] <Oderus> ok i won't post here again if i've posted there.
[01:49] <tiwake> hey, I just did a "network install" (PXE) of kubuntu and when I boot it, just getting a black screen with some green dots across the top with my nvidia 970
[01:49] <tiwake> not really sure what to do...
[01:49] <tiwake> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1613158 is really all that I found
[01:51] <valorie> green dots!
[01:51] <valorie> so you can't get to a console?
 does nothing visibly
[01:52] <tiwake> unless there is another way
[01:52] <valorie> well, try a few more
[01:52] <valorie> f2, 3, etc
[01:53] <valorie> at least if you can get into a console, you can try `sudo apt install -f`
[01:53] <valorie> to see if something is missing
[01:54] <valorie> and/or `sudo dpkg --configure -a` if you think it is misconfiguration
[01:54] <valorie> or install an older kernel
[01:55] <tiwake_> erp
[01:55] <tiwake_> pulled the wired connection from my laptop and forgot that I had wireless off
[01:56] <tiwake_> so I could PXE install kubuntu :3
[01:56] <valorie> oops
[01:56] <tiwake_> anyway, yeah, <ctrl><alt>F1-F5 do nothing
[01:56] <valorie> boo
[01:57] <valorie> well
[01:57] <valorie> I've never done such an install
[01:57] <valorie> some reason you wanted to do that rather than just install from an iso?
[01:57] <tiwake_> PXE install is how I've installed the last... iunno... 5 or 6 or more? versions of linux
[01:58] <tiwake_> cause its the easiest
[01:58] <valorie> until today
[01:58] <tiwake_> well
[01:58] <valorie> I usually just upgrade
[01:58] <valorie> but otherwise, fresh ISO
[01:58] <tiwake_> I did try the USB boot thing
[01:58] <valorie> and?
[01:58] <tiwake_> but it threw some errors or something
[01:59] <valorie> which ISO?
[01:59] <tiwake_> kubuntu 7.04 64bit
[01:59] <valorie> 17.04 I assume
[01:59] <tiwake_> yeah, that
[02:00] <valorie> perhaps try ubuntu-server ISO?
[02:00] <valorie> and then kubuntu-desktop on that
[02:00] <valorie> if the server ISO won't boot, I don't know what to say
[02:00] <tiwake_> is there something I can pass to GRUB to try?
[02:01] <valorie> will grub even come up?
[02:01] <valorie> if so, you can always try the safe mode
[02:01] <tiwake> I donno... what key do I hold down?
[02:02] <valorie> ah, if there is no other OS on the computer, it doesn't even show up, yeah
[02:02] <valorie> !grub2
[02:02] <tiwake> so..
[02:02] <valorie> the second link might have some ideas
[02:02] <valorie> one can comment out the quiet splash
[02:03] <valorie> which lets you see what's actually happening
[02:03] <valorie> and then there is nomodeset, but I have no clue if it will work here
[02:03] <valorie> !nomodeset
 it seems
[02:05] <tiwake> yay, I see stuff
[02:06] <tiwake> ok, what do I do now that I see the grub menu?
[02:06] <tiwake> lol
[02:06] <valorie> what did you do?
[02:06] <tiwake> held down right shift key
[02:06] <tiwake> kubuntu is the only OS on this computer
[02:06] <valorie> well
[02:07] <valorie> you can try nomodeset
[02:07] <tiwake> how?
[02:07] <valorie> but I would read the link above
[02:08]  * valorie goes to watch the news
[02:16] <tiwake> valorie: what are the nvidia driver packages I want to install?
[02:19] <dbrom> Hello , anyone know where I can get a minimal install that can be bootable
[02:20] <valorie> !miniiso
[02:20] <valorie> !nvidia | tiwake
[02:23] <tiwake> urg
[02:23] <tiwake> need the network to do this
[02:24] <tiwake> not resolving names
[02:24] <tiwake> but I can ping my router
[02:26] <tiwake> why
[02:29] <tiwake> ooook
[02:29] <tiwake> this is weird, after exiting recovery mode and really not doing anything, and resuming normal boot... I get picture
[02:29] <valorie> !
[02:30] <tiwake> and now I'm at the desktop
[02:30] <tiwake> I don't like nvidia
[02:30] <tiwake> lol
[02:30] <valorie> amazing
[02:31] <ahoneybun> mm having issues with audio
[02:31] <ahoneybun> I can't see my HDMI output device
[02:31] <ahoneybun> or any device really
[02:32] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/a/MaWjw
[02:32] <dbrom> what a minimal install of kubuntu that is installed on a USB
[02:32] <ahoneybun> but when I set a device in Audio Hardware Setup I can hear it just fine
[02:33] <valorie> pulseaudio is a "device"
[02:33] <dbrom> ..which is not deadicated to the hardware
[02:33] <ahoneybun> but I used to see a lot of devices
[02:33] <valorie> dbrom: if you want minimal, there is either miniiso, or the ubuntu-server
[02:33] <ahoneybun> when I set the right device that I can hear sound in the test it still does not work
[02:34] <valorie> which you can then add kubuntu-desktop on top
[02:34] <valorie> ahoneybun: :(
[02:34] <valorie> sounds like a bug in artful
[02:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: not sure it happens on my laptop and desktop
[02:34] <ahoneybun> it's 17.04 and 17.10
[02:35] <valorie> oh!
[02:35] <valorie> hmmm
[02:35] <ahoneybun> that screenshot was of 17.04
[02:35] <ahoneybun> I've even used pulseaudio tools to find the right one
[02:35] <ahoneybun> found it but settings it in the conf file was no good
[02:37] <ahoneybun> mm I wonder if it's a Application issue
[02:37] <tiwake> anyway, cheers
[02:38] <tiwake> (buy AMD videocards)
[02:38] <ahoneybun> but NVIDIA is better
[02:39] <tiwake> not if you count the recent signed firmware hassle (that I just went though), oh, and you won't be able to run wayland either
[02:39] <ahoneybun> tiwake:  I can just switch to my intel then
[02:40] <ahoneybun> I know about the wayland thing tho
[02:41] <tiwake> years after wayland was official and released, nvidia basically said "no, you gotta redo the whole framework so our drivers can drop in"
[02:41] <tiwake> disgusting
[02:43] <tiwake> anyway, TTFN
[02:44] <dbrom> Id like to have it be able to be bootable from any system
[02:45] <valorie>  dbrom, does miniiso or ubuntu server not meet your needs?
[02:45] <valorie> !miniiso
[02:45] <dbrom> will that boot from any system
[02:46] <valorie> I'm not sure -- please read the link
[02:52] <dbrom> I am installing it on a usb that i want to be able to boot from and system once installed on said usb
[02:54] <valorie> ah, you want a system installed ON a usb
[02:56] <valorie> dbrom: you might try https://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[04:57] <r_max> Hello!
[05:07] <goodtime> hi
[05:08] <goodtime> go to offtopic to chat
[05:09] <goodtime> its #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:09] <goodtime> or just click that link
[05:09] <goodtime> ok.......
[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:41] <selva> hi
[11:42] <selva> new to irc
[11:42] <selva> no reply's
[11:42] <selva> :p
[11:42] <lordievader[m]> Hey selva
[11:43] <selva> hi iordievader
[11:43] <lordievader[m]> selva: IRC is a relatively indirect medium ;)
[11:43] <lordievader[m]> Lots of people idling around.
[11:43] <selva> wow thats pretty long name
[11:43] <selva> ok
[11:43] <selva> so you are on kubuntu
[11:44] <lordievader[m]> Nope, not me.
[11:44] <selva> then
[11:44] <selva> you are contributing to it
[11:44] <selva> ????
[11:44] <lordievader[m]> I'm running Gentoo.
[11:44] <selva> is it cool?
[11:45] <lordievader[m]> Not really. Don't do much more than doing some support and testing stuff every once in a while.
[11:45] <selva> is any linux distro that has package support
[11:46] <selva> i mean .exe like
[11:46] <selva> ????
[11:46] <lordievader[m]> .exe is not a package. It denotes a Windows executable.
[11:47] <lordievader[m]> Normally these things do not run under Linux. Though there are projects like Wine.
[11:47] <lordievader[m]> !info wine
[11:47] <lordievader[m]> Hmm
[11:47] <lordievader[m]> https://www.winehq.org/
[11:47] <selva> i mean like .rpm
[11:48] <hateball> selva: Ubuntu uses deb packages
[11:48] <hateball> !deb
[11:48] <lordievader[m]> Those are Redhat packages. Not supported under (K)Ubuntu.
[11:48] <selva> .deb always says to download dependencies
[11:48] <hateball> selva: you're not supposed to install that way, use the repos
[11:48] <hateball> !apt
[11:49] <selva> ok
[11:49] <oerheks> also .rpm needs dependencies, so your claim is invalid
[11:49] <lordievader[m]> I was about to say that ;)
[11:49] <selva> but what if i wanted to install in offline
[11:49] <hateball> Then you would need all dependencies downloaded as well
[11:49] <hateball> !aptoffline
[11:49] <hateball> hmmm
[11:50] <hateball> there is something like that
[11:50] <oerheks> just !offline
[11:50] <hateball> !offline
[11:50] <selva> ok
[11:50] <hateball> heh, synaptic -_-
[11:50] <selva> thanks for helping out guys
[11:50] <oerheks> have fun, selva!
[11:51] <selva> where are you from?
[11:51] <selva> which countr?
[11:52] <oerheks> some are from mars, i come from NL
[11:52] <selva> ok
[11:53] <selva> mars?
[11:53] <selva> i always wanted to live there!
[11:54] <selva> manjaro lo
[11:54] <selva> lol
[12:34] <ninni> @search Computer and Communication Networks
[12:34] <lordievader[m]> ?
[17:05] <mrkubuntu> Hello. I'm having a problem trying to connect to a VPN on Kubuntu 17.04.
[17:06] <mrkubuntu> When I try to press the Connect button on my VPN in KDE's Network Manager Widget, nothing happens.
[17:06] <mrkubuntu> Not even a connection.
[17:35] <user|49196> Hi folks, Kubunui ISO question - is there still a Mac specifc ISO like there used to be ?
[17:36] <lordievader[m]> mrkubuntu: What type of VPN?
[17:43] <genii> Mark_uk: PPC or Intel Mac?
[17:43] <Mark_uk> Intel Macbook Pro
[17:44] <genii> Mark_uk: You just use the regular ISO for those
[17:44] <Mark_uk> ok mate, Thanks.. i remember there was a Mac specific ISO years ago
[17:44] <genii> For PPC, yes :)
[17:45] <Mark_uk> ahh was it ppc.. my memory must be going :)
[17:45] <mparillo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/zesty/release/ seems to suggest 32-bit for "newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors." I assume that is obsolete?
[17:45] <Mark_uk> hmm,,
[17:45] <Mark_uk> seems to be obsolete
[17:46] <Mark_uk> - the Mac specific ISO that is - and it was PPC - Thanks to genii for illuminating me :)
[17:48] <Mark_uk> last time i used *buntu distro it was 10.4 LTS
[17:48] <genii> There is still a community PPC port also, i believe at ports.ubuntu.com
[17:48] <Mark_uk> ahh.
[17:48] <Mark_uk> i never had a PPC Mac
[17:49] <Mark_uk> only had the hardware since it was Intel
[17:50] <genii> mparillo: I imagine so, but not certain. I'd probably try 64bit first
[17:50] <mparillo> I agree (though I have never tried it).
[17:51] <Mark_uk> ye.. this laptop is an old 2010 Macbook Pro -  just d/loading x64 .ISO now :)
[17:53] <Mark_uk> Thanks for the help folks ..
[17:54] <Mark_uk> gonna go lurk in another channel :)
[18:48] <Ab3L> how can i find out which version of qt i'm using?
[18:50] <Ab3L> is it qmake --version right?
[18:50] <genii> About System
[18:51] <acheronuk> or kf5-config -v
[18:52] <acheronuk> several ways
[18:52] <Ab3L> ok. thank you.
[20:51] <dougl> hey friends and family...
[20:52] <dougl> just installed kubuntu 17.04 and I have 2xnvidia gt560ti and cannot figure out how to get dual display working
[21:03] <dougl> just installed kubuntu 17.04 and I have 2xnvidia gt560ti and cannot figure out how to get dual display working - any suggestions
 Displays KCM?
[22:29] <RogueOmega7> whats up!