[02:57] <notech> thank u.. (do i am really so dummy?)
[02:57] <Drizzt_DoUrden> hm i dont think that kubuntu is a distro for me im downloading the gentoo image because its much earsyr to handel
[02:59] <stdoubt> ppl need to realize k/ubuntu is freaking a few pplz vision of debian Sid........it's alpha software
[02:59] <stdoubt> well....beta maybe
[02:59] <KevilKducKy> So, besides breaking all the fancy new admin tools by nuking sudo, (it's often left uninstalled on my Debian) do you guys have some more security tips?  (I was thinking about denying konqueror net access and using it only internally or at least forcing to use a proxy)
[03:00] <stdoubt> i don't think Linux will ever make it to joe and sally's home boxen -if it does they'll still have alot to learn no matter how you slice it
[03:00] <stdoubt> Kevil: good idea
[03:00] <KevilKducKy> konqueror + desktop integrations seems very much like another browser from that *other* o/s...
[03:00] <KevilKducKy> =P
[03:00] <stdoubt> get a 486 and run an IPCop gateway ;]
[03:00] <PokerFacePenguin> stdoubt, most of em dont know how to use windows either :P
[03:01] <stdoubt> PokerFacePenguin: too ture
[03:01] <KevilKducKy> Does it even have a DOM inspector like moz?  (howabout unchecked stacks/heaps/buffers?!?)
[03:02] <stdoubt> (that swished right over my head)
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: lol debian unstable is not alpha
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: or beta
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: the actual program version are about the same as in suse, gentoo or other distris
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: the only "unstable" thing is the packaging
[03:05] <_otto> stdoubt: I think Linux could and does fit very well for the desktops of regular Joes'. I've seen that. The problem is just the the Linux they use should come with good default settings so that I would not need to tweak it so much after installation..
[03:05] <l3m> KevilKducKy: why would you install kubuntu and then remove sudo? if you want a debian system with root, stick with debian
[03:06] <l3m> stdoubt: please inform yourself before spouting such nonsense
[03:07] <KevilKducKy> l3m I'm not stuck on n00king sudo, I'm just considering.  The reason I have kubuntu is the same as M$ lusers pay $$$ ever 2 years for the same stuff.
[03:07] <stdoubt> l3m: I must be thinking of k/ubuntu and not Sid ;]
[03:07] <l3m> KevilKducKy: ... what?
[03:07] <KevilKducKy> I'm hoping that all the eyecandy (read: 'killer apps') will enable me to switch my M$ customers over.
[03:07] <stdoubt> _otto: unless there are friendly wizards that walk you through what to do when X crashes, it's no-go
[03:08] <stdoubt> bless you Kevil
[03:08] <l3m> stdoubt: i was referring to your FUD about sid as well as kubuntu being unstable
[03:08] <l3m> heh
[03:08] <l3m> KevilKducKy: ah ;)
[03:09] <KevilKducKy> For instance, I ddin't have to go looking for a PIM and bluetooth modules and custom compile them with options to link with each other.  I was pleasantly surprised to see it just work 'out-of-the box'.
[03:09] <KevilKducKy> I'm totally new to Ubuntu this week.
[03:09] <l3m> KevilKducKy: Kubuntu or OS X ;)
[03:10] <KevilKducKy> Well since OSX is blatant attempt by Apple to obfuscate open source...  =P
[03:10] <stdoubt> l3m: FUD! eeeek. no- but ubuntu nor Sid are recommended for 'production' - i honestly can't consider ubuntu ready enough for, say, a windows user to just "switch" to
[03:11] <KevilKducKy> stdoubt, what about a statefull 'personal firewall' with at least a pay-subscription update service?
[03:11] <stdoubt> l3m: for exampl- admin tools in KDE shipped broken on Kubuntu......i'm 3 years on linux and i can't play my dvd on kubuntu even though it did play once......that's broken
[03:12] <stdoubt> l3m: not really directing that at you per se, just sayin'
[03:12] <l3m> stdoubt: yes, but if you compare the version of the software contained in sid to e.g. the latest suse release, you'll see that they mostly match
[03:12] <_otto> stdoubt: I haven't seen X crashing.. sure, bugs are problem but they are luckily not so common.
[03:12] <l3m> stdoubt: well dunno worked fine here out of the box
[03:12] <KevilKducKy> Has some KDE developer done that yet with a iptables/aide/snort/checksecurity/bastille wrapper UI thingee?
[03:12] <_otto> stdoubt: I mead haven't seen X crash in Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[03:12] <stdoubt> l3m: certainly: they are considered widely as the latest "stable" versions by their respective devs....not generally by more conservative distros
[03:13] <stdoubt> _otto: I have. but then, i do tweak a bit
[03:13] <stdoubt> and crash to a newbie could simply mean "doesn't start"
[03:14] <KevilKducKy> stdoubt, my DVD worked just fine 'out of the box' (and the automounting linking-shortcut widget was a snap -- light years ahead of gnome or anything else I've seen including M$)
[03:14] <l3m> stdoubt: and to the windows comparison: well you don't use a windows without patching it to SP2 + hotfixes either. you however compare your "nonpatched" kubu to a "fully patched" win or so
[03:14] <l3m> stdoubt: exactly; but "stable" is the debian sense is "suitable for a server". you wouldn't want to run a desktop with debian stable.. ;)
[03:15] <stdoubt> <- wonders where it all went wrong
[03:15] <l3m> stdoubt: and i don't know what you did to your kubuntu system but it seems to me you broke quite a few things - i installed kubuntu and didn't notice any of the problems you described here today
[03:15] <KevilKducKy> In fact the 'eyecandy' seems like it can give WinDOH!s Media Center a long overdue *#$tkicking
[03:16] <KevilKducKy> ( *#$ => 'snot' of course -- hehehe)
[03:16] <l3m> stdoubt: i even have sleep and hibernate working out of the box on my vaio laptop, something which no other distro ever managed
[03:16] <stdoubt> l3m, well, i did remove Kaffeine, and installed xine-ui -that kind of stuff
[03:16] <l3m> stdoubt: well xine is broken, but that's hardly kubuntu's fault.
[03:16] <stdoubt> l3m: i know -the HW driver thing is pretty excellent on k/ubuntu
[03:16] <l3m> stdoubt: xine is broken everywhere, i cannot imagine why people use that crap piece of software ;)
[03:17] <l3m> stdoubt: apt-get install mplayer ;)
[03:17] <stdoubt> l3m: :( but it's neat looking and familiar):
[03:17] <stdoubt> i plan to!
[03:17] <l3m> stdoubt: you don't have to use mplayer-nogui if you don't want to. there's also guis for it, y'know ;)
[03:18] <stdoubt> but i think it's actually more of a 'mounting the dvd problem :\
[03:18] <KevilKducKy> yeah -- suspend to ram and suspenmd top disk capabilities are a 'must' with Ubuntu's 10-minute bootcycle.  If they're stable, it makes Ubuntu 'the Linux' for most laptops, and keeps the whole flock of penguins in the race with M$ and Apple.
[03:18] <l3m> i don't know why i should use tiny graphical buttons created in a misguided attempt to mimic "real hardware" when i can control  everything in the media player in a "computer" way with the keyboard
[03:18] <KevilKducKy> WTF does Ubuntu take so long to boot anyhow?
[03:19] <KevilKducKy> l3m you shouldn't.
[03:19] <l3m> KevilKducKy: exactly. that's why i prefer mplayer-nogui ;)
[03:20] <stdoubt> sudo mount /dev/hdd  =     mount: No medium found
[03:20] <stdoubt> but there's a disk in there
[03:20] <stdoubt> and 2 hours ago it was running a DVD
[03:20] <l3m> stdoubt: mounting and even burning dvd works fine here.
[03:20] <KevilKducKy> Those little widgets are not for you.  We'll send the RIAA's same DRM/IP rights goons to inspect your system for Qt and Athena widgets once per quarter -- heh.
[03:20] <stdoubt> l3m: yay for you! :P
[03:20] <l3m> stdoubt: well what did you do the last 2 hours ?
[03:21] <l3m> stdoubt: e.g. diff system_status(t-2) system_status(t) ;)
[03:21] <stdoubt> l3m: i installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-dev; watched a DVD; ejected the disk ; installed xmms ; surfed awhile ; listened to mp3s ; inserted DVD and xine says: "There is no input plugin...etc" wtf
[03:22] <stdoubt> l3m: what dir are those files in?
[03:23] <l3m> stdoubt: dunno, but it seems to me all your problems lead back to xine
[03:23] <l3m> stdoubt: which files?
[03:23] <KevilKducKy> So, got an xkb ruleset and mime-config script for my Logitech EX110 "SuperWidgetMaster" wireless MM keyboard with LittleIconPro(tm) technology?
[03:23] <stdoubt>  system_status(t-2)       and    system_status(t)
[03:24] <tenco> how can i change the shortcut of katapult?
[03:25] <tvo> tenco: alt+space -> ctrl+C -> configure global shortcuts
[03:26] <tenco> tvo: how did you know? i couldnt find documentation on this one.
[03:26] <tvo> tenco: I'm one of the developers :-)
[03:26] <tvo> tenco: it still has to be added to the docs
[03:27] <KubunDucku> (*CBUs: 'Cluster Bombs')
[03:27] <tenco> tvo: ok. you should also make it configurable through kcontrol!
[03:27] <l3m> KubunDucku: i have no idea what an Smart Lart CBU even is ? ;)
[03:27] <tenco> tvo: because alt+space breaks default-shortcuts in kmail and knode
[03:28] <tvo> tenco: does it?  have to chat about that with other developers..
[03:29] <KubunDucku> ooohhh I thought you wer a BoFH or an aulde schoole IRCer...  look up 'Lart' in a Inet glossary or wiki; you'll get chuckle
[03:29] <KubunDucku> l3m, you've heard of cluebats and banhammers, though, right?
[03:30] <tenco> tvo: yes. it seems to me that katapult handles shortcuts independently of the kde shortcut framework, because katapult only catches alt+space which never gets through to kmail/knode (where the shortcut is still defined)
[03:30] <tenco> tvo: ...katapult catches alt+space...
[03:31] <l3m> KubunDucku: well i'm not a native english speaker but i fell kinda stupid now ;)
[03:31] <l3m> feel
[03:31] <KubunDucku> And BTW, I didn't make up 'Smart Lart Cluster(s)'  I saw a #linuxhelp oper on another net use the term several times
[03:31] <tvo> tenco: I doubt it handles them indepently?      Joy!
[03:34] <plus-V-ducky> =oD
[03:35] <tenco> tvo: anyway, it would be nice if you developers could investigate that further! :-)
[03:35] <plus-V-ducky> ped = either foot or from pedant ( roman slave hired to beat and sometiems also tutor children in the grmmaticus
[03:36] <plus-V-ducky> sesq  <-- pertaining to sevenness or having seven objects I think
[03:37] <l3m> plus-V-ducky: nah, it just means you enjoy using long and complicated words for the sake of using long and complicated words ;)
[03:37] <plus-V-ducky> quip as in 'quoatable quips, querries and qualms'?
[03:38] <l3m> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sesquipedalianism
[03:38] <plus-V-ducky> And short ones too -- if they alliterate, rhyme, pun or alude.
[03:38] <plus-V-ducky> =oD
[03:39] <l3m> hrhr
[03:41] <plus-V-ducky> I've actually been banned from channels for non-sexual, non-personal punning to XS.

[03:42] <hussam> who maintains / posts news on kubuntu.org?
[04:26] <Snake__> Sup guys
[04:29] <bsluman> vpn
[04:41] <DocTomoe> I need help getting an logitech trackball to work on kubuntu breezy. a device called "/dev/input/mouse1" appears when I plug it in (mouse0 is the laptops touchpad), but it has no effect on the mouse pointer. Anyone willing to give a helping hand?
[04:43] <kkathman> DocTomoe: I have a Logitech trackball myself, and its worked since warty :)
[04:44] <DocTomoe> well, that is nice for you ;)
[04:44] <kkathman> DocTomoe: but I didnt do anything special, just had it plugged in during install so the installer could recognize it
[04:44] <kkathman> DocTomoe: does it work at all?
[04:44] <DocTomoe> hm, for some reason I am not willing to reinstall my system just for an trackball ;)
[04:45] <DocTomoe> the trackball? No Idea. Should. Just bought it today
[04:45] <kkathman> DocTomoe: and this is on a laptop?
[04:46] <DocTomoe> jupp
[04:46] <kkathman> DocTomoe: Did you have a mouse on the laptop before? or were you only using the touchpad?
[04:46] <DocTomoe> as stated before: the kernels udev seems to detect the trackball, as it creates an /dev/input/mouse1 when I plug the trackball in.
[04:46] <DocTomoe> kkathman: I was only using the touchpad. I like trackballs better, however
[04:47] <kkathman> DocTomoe: yes, me too.  I suspect that you may have a laptop on which you must turn off the touchpad, then reboot so the system knows to use the other device
[04:48] <kkathman> Im not 100% sure, but I have had laptops that did that.
[04:48] <DocTomoe> well, the kernel  shouldnt be able to create a device then, should it?
[04:49] <DocTomoe> Id like to fiddle with my xorg.conf ... maybe you could post the trackball-related part of your conf to some pastebin, please? pretty please?
[04:49] <kkathman> DocTomoe: Oh sure it can, and will, if that particular input device had never been used before.
[04:49] <kkathman> sure..let me go get that for you.
[04:53] <CellarDoor> hi
[04:54] <CellarDoor> Is anyone else having trouble with the Menu Editor ? I can't get it to save anything.
[04:55] <kkathman> hmm the kubuntu pastebin site is not responding
[04:56] <slow-motion> bbl
[04:56] <icewt> CellarDoor: yes. i have the same problem. no idea what causes it
[04:57] <icewt> CellarDoor: no new installed programs seem to appear in the menu either
[04:58] <hellblade> hello peeps. I want to ask your opinion on Debian sid with KDE (I am using this for about 2 years now) versus Kubuntu. pros and cons... how stable is it compared to testing and unstable? and how fast do new versions get to repository?
[04:58] <CellarDoor> icewt: I installed a game demo yesterday which made its own entries in the Kmenu and I noticed that changes I had tried to make which it wouldnt save were now done as well...
[04:58] <CellarDoor> but Its still not saving anything otherwise
[04:59] <CellarDoor> hellblade: sorry cant help, I've never used sid. :P
[04:59] <hellblade> is it stable?
[04:59] <CellarDoor> yes
[05:00] <icewt> hellblade: well, i changed to (k)ubuntu when my sid broke once again after dist-upgrade ;)
[05:01] <hellblade> is Kubuntu just the KDE for Ubuntu or there are more differenses?
[05:01] <icewt> CellarDoor: strange. what demo did you install?
[05:01] <CellarDoor> Cold War
[05:02] <icewt> hellblade: yes. ubuntu installs gnome by default, kubuntu kde.
[05:03] <CellarDoor> I have xfce installed as well :P
[05:12] <kkathman> hellblade: its a bit more than that, but basically its true
[05:12] <gigcs> i have problem add package on  kubuntu cd .
[05:13] <hellblade> kkathman>don't they both share the same packages? I mean wget for example is the exact same package for both. right?
[05:13] <kkathman> hellblade: when you install kubuntu, you do not get gnome. However, if you install base ubuntu, you get gnome, and then you can install kubuntu-desktop on top of it and have both.
[05:13] <kkathman> hellblade: yes they have core packages, but if you installed kubuntu, you wouldnt get the gnome core
[05:14] <hellblade> kkathman>If I download Kubuntu DVD and install it, won't I be able to apt-get install gnome?
[05:14] <kkathman> hellblade: but you could easily install it if you wanted.
[05:14] <kkathman> yes
[05:14] <hellblade> ty
[05:15] <kkathman> hellblade: you'd just do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <hellblade> kkathman>is sudo preconfigured? in my debian I prefer loging as root and doing such things
[05:17] <kkathman> hellblade: no root is disabled in all ubuntu based installs, but if you absolutely have to, you can reactivate it, but I suggest against it
[05:17] <kkathman> its a simple thing to just pre-attached "sudp" on the things you need for root
[05:17] <kkathman> sudo I mean :)
[05:20] <hellblade> oh got it:P
[05:20] <kkathman> hellblade: as you well know, many BAD things can go on if you do things as root...so ubuntu disables it as a default
[05:21] <Snake__> Root...for when you really want to f up ur system :)
[05:22] <kkathman> well if you know what you are doing thats fine.  I used to when I was a newbie (in linux)... I still am but I know more since my first days:)
[05:23] <kkathman> I know a bit, and I still dont log in as root
[05:23] <hellblade> plus I maintain debian sid all this time (two years without a "format")
[05:24] <kkathman> Like I said, if you truly know what you are doing, you can reactivate root and do your su root
[05:25] <hellblade> my problem is that I have many files left from previous upgrades and wrong custom complilations all over my system and I want at some point to start from scratch and configure everything right (cleaner) this time
[05:25] <kkathman> yah that happens over time hellblade :)
[05:26] <icewt> using nano with sudo makes root the owner of .nano_history . not a big problem really, but annoying when starting up nano as a normal user
[05:26] <kkathman> icewt: very true
[05:26] <hellblade> i use mostly kedit etc for user opperations and vi while in console
[05:27] <kkathman> the biggest problem I've seen is someone playing too much with the passwd files and then they corrupt them and render the system useless unless they have a rescue
[05:27] <hellblade> hehehe I never touch these files
[05:33] <hellblade> is breezy the stable or the next release?
[05:33] <icewt> stable
[05:33] <kkathman> breezy is the current, stable release...5.10
[05:33] <kkathman> Dapper is the next
[05:34] <Snake__> Yay AA's at 27% ((End random comment))
[05:34] <kkathman> lol
[05:39] <Snake__> http://www.mmoradio.com <---Best internet radio (Are advertisments agaisnt the rules??)
[05:42] <Snake__> !coc
[05:42] <ubotu> coc is probably the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[05:42] <notech> hi all!
[05:42] <Snake__> Hello
[05:43] <notech> how is when i install an app from apt-get and it is not listed in ALL Applications menu? but if i call it from console it runs?
[05:44] <notech> do i need to update in some way the All Application menu?
[05:44] <Snake__> I would help if I could lol
[05:44] <notech> ohh i have kde
[05:44] <kkathman> notech:  you mean the k-menu?
[05:44] <LjL> notech: usually, restarting X makes the new applications appear in the menu, here
[05:44] <notech> yes
[05:44] <LjL> notech: though i'm not quite sure why don't appear in the first place
[05:45] <notech> usually.. but i see in many ..many times it is not!
[05:45] <kkathman> LjL: many apps that were updated, apparently they took out the capability to update the menu, because people complained that they'd rather add them if they wanted them there
[05:46] <kkathman> Im speaking of Kubuntu now, not gnome
[05:46] <notech> do u know where is the place 'directory' where i can find these apps?
[05:46] <LjL> kkathman: hmm... that's stupid. should be given as an option at the very least
[05:46] <LjL> notech: dpkg -L packagename will show all files (with full paths) from a package
[05:46] <kkathman> LjL: I disagree with "stupid" which is a harsh word...I dont want every application I get added to my menu either
[05:46] <kkathman> you can always right click on K and add it
[05:47] <kkathman> I RARELY use the k menu anyway
[05:47] <icewt> i wish i could add applications in the menu even manually :/
[05:47] <notech> oops..thank u,just didnt know! :)
[05:47] <kkathman> icewt: right click on K, then choose menu editor
[05:47] <LjL> kkathman: i think everybody uses it "rarely" these times, there are easier possibilities to access often-used applications. and that's precisely why the K menu should, by default, be a container for *all* installed applications
[05:48] <icewt> kkathman: i think i talked about this with you yesterday. it doesn't work ;)
[05:48] <LjL> kkathman: you know, by the same token, the K menu should be *empty* in the first place, after Kubuntu installation... hey, after all, you can add the applications you *want* there
[05:48] <kkathman> LjL: I guess we must agree to disagree :)
[05:48] <CellarDoor> kkathman: thats the problem, the menu editor isnt saving changes.
[05:48] <kkathman> LjL: well I dont agree with that either
[05:48] <kkathman> LjL: however, I think there is too much there
[05:49] <kkathman> CellarDoor: Mine does
[05:49] <LjL> kkathman: that there is too much, imho, simply means that the menu could be organized better
[05:49] <kkathman> LjL: I dont disagree with that :)
[05:49] <Snake__> Hey how about we stop arguing and tell snake why he doesn't have any sound in americas army and UT04??
[05:49] <hellblade> there should be an optional submenu where all applications appear after installation so that you can easily locate them and copy paste their entries in your custom K-menu
[05:49] <LjL> because the most modern game i play is tetris
[05:49] <notech> lol
[05:49] <kkathman> haha
[05:50] <Snake__> lol
[05:50] <kkathman> nice LjL :)
[05:50] <kkathman> I like spider solitaire :)
[05:50] <CellarDoor> kkathman: mine and icewt's dont :(
[05:50] <LjL> hellblade: i think that could be a good idea
[05:50] <notech> i could also play tetris only,because of GOOD video drivers! :)
[05:50] <LjL> kkathman: i also play tetrinet, though. actually, i miss a KTetrinet
[05:51] <kkathman> CellarDoor: I understand, and it must be something that happens post install but its almost impossible to trace down
[05:51] <kkathman> CellarDoor: did you upgrade from Hoary or install clean on Breezy?
[05:51] <notech> how do i know what vga drivers i am using? kcontrol?
[05:52] <CellarDoor> clean breezy install
[05:52] <LjL> kkathman: what do you think of hellblade's idea? you know, after all, people often just *don't know* where the executable file for their new application is. installing it and then just telling them "it's installed, now it's your business" isn't what i call user friendly
[05:52] <kkathman> CellarDoor: hmm wonder if icewt did the same...I upgraded from hoary
[05:52] <icewt> i did a clean install
[05:52] <CellarDoor> hmm
[05:52] <LjL> notech: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf . not sure if there is a friendlier way
[05:53] <notech> thank u
[05:53] <CellarDoor> I didn't have this problem last week though
[05:53] <icewt> it used to work though
[05:53] <icewt> yeah
[05:53] <kkathman> LjL: as far as I know, most everything (with a few exceptions) install in /usr/bin/  but a submenu with everything.. hmm.. seems ok I guess
[05:54] <kkathman> LjL: like WIndow's Add/Remove Programs screen
[05:54] <kkathman> well im out for a day of watching college football.
[05:54] <kkathman> cyaz
[05:55] <LjL> bye
[05:55] <hellblade> LjL>is there anyone here to hear wishes for kde (even kubuntu specific) and implement them?
[05:55] <LjL> hellblade: not me :)
[05:55] <hellblade> lol
[05:56] <hellblade> I meant if kubuntu devs join this channel...
[05:56] <LjL> some do
[05:56] <notech> it seems i am using the driver for my card ATI 345M but why is so slooow? could i find any other driver more optimized?
[05:56] <LjL> i think
[05:56] <Snake__> mornfall made adept...I know that much
[05:56] <Snake__> :-D
[05:56] <LjL> notech: so slow for what, 3D?
[05:57] <notech> i have chromium game on windoze and achieve 70+fps and in linux 30
[05:57] <notech> yes
[05:57] <notech> this is not really important but..
[05:57] <LjL> notech: perhaps your OpenGL configuration isn't quite right?
[05:57] <notech> sorry,i don't know how to configure
[05:58] <hellblade> LjL>I think I'll have to /bug this feature as a wish on kde.org for KDE 4 along with some more ideas I just got
[05:58] <LjL> notech: i don't know either, but try the commands that start with "glx" to do some benchmarking and troubleshooting
[05:58] <notech> ok
[05:59] <hellblade> notech> try glx gears and post your fps
[05:59] <hellblade> *glxgears
[06:00] <notech> doing
[06:00] <LjL> you know what's strange, i've trying glxgears right now, and they start "ok", then start going like at 1 fps after a second or so
[06:00] <libben> do u get a value at all?
[06:00] <libben> dident u need to type thisisnotabenchmarking?
[06:00] <libben> when starting glxgears
[06:00] <notech> how many time i need to wait..?
[06:01] <hellblade> don't wait for them to stop. they won't I think:) just note the results (2nd result etc) and close the window
[06:01] <LjL> libben: no, i don't get a value, but i just haven't waited for the program to quit spontaneously yet. and, no, i didn't need to type anything
[06:01] <notech> sizeof(RADEONDRIRec) == 100, devPrivSize 100
[06:01] <LjL> i'm not getting *any* results while the program runs, or after i kill it
[06:01] <LjL> but, mind you, i'm in VESA mode
[06:01] <notech> is this my result?
[06:01] <libben> well, of i want some fps values. u need to type something more like -thisisnoatabenchmark
[06:02] <Kibou> glxgears -printfps
[06:02] <notech> ok
[06:02] <hellblade> vesa should give preaty low numbers (below 500)
[06:02] <notech> sizeof(RADEONDRIRec) == 100, devPrivSize 100
[06:02] <notech> 4425 frames in 5.0 seconds = 884.890 FPS
[06:02] <notech> 1748 frames in 5.0 seconds = 349.561 FPS
[06:02] <libben> i got 3659 fps, but the system is heavy loaded right now
[06:03] <dennis_p> mhm, where does konqueror store my bookmarks?
[06:03] <LjL> i'm around 250 fps, with the visuals crawling to something that looks like 1 or 2 fps
[06:03] <notech> ugh..i suppose my results are really low!
[06:03] <hellblade> notech you have no GL acceleration
[06:03] <notech> how is my vga so crappy?
[06:03] <notech> ahh
[06:03] <notech> how do i enable it?
[06:04] <hellblade> you must install ATI binary driver and configure it in yr xorg.conf
[06:04] <notech> ugh
[06:04] <notech> i am not an expert :/ i am on linux 2 month now :)
[06:04] <Snake__> The fun times of installing a graphix card. notech I wish you luck. I was trying to install mine from 3 pm to 12 am yesterday
[06:04] <notech> do u know if there are binary drivers for my card?
[06:05] <hellblade> i dont have an ati and i'm on debian so i cant tell you exactly. let me find some info on the net to point you
[06:05] <Snake__> Then locomono (I think his name was) helped me out, but hes not here
[06:05] <hellblade> there must be
[06:05] <CellarDoor> notech: way to go using Linux :D
[06:05] <notech> this is because i am using kubuntu! first i have used knoppix but sometimes could run x window sometimes not!
[06:05] <notech> not to mention slackware
[06:06] <Stele> sweet - finally got nvidia drivers up and running
[06:06] <CellarDoor> notech: are you using breezy ?
[06:06] <notech> yes now
[06:06] <dennis_p> kubuntu has a simple command to fetch and install command for 3d card you know
[06:06] <Stele> glxgears getting 14K fps
[06:06] <Snake__> brb guys
[06:06] <CellarDoor> notech: nvidia or ati ?
[06:06] <notech> ATI igp 345M
[06:06] <notech> integrated card on Sony Vaio..
[06:06] <CellarDoor> hmm
[06:06] <hellblade> notech) if you use the VESA (basic driver for all cards) you can use 2D graphics normally but no 3D
[06:06] <hahaboy> I configured my Kubuntu from 3pm to 5:30am the next day
[06:07] <notech> could i post my xorg.conf?
[06:07] <hahaboy> Why don't you post it on the BBS?
[06:07] <Stele> kubuntu rocks
[06:07] <LjL> by the way, is there currently any way to use a specific driver (with 3d acceleration maybe) for my Kyro II card? (i think not, but while we're around the topic...)
[06:07] <bhna> hplip starts after cupsys. how can i change this? hp-toolbox works only if hplip starting before cupsys
[06:07] <JoeBu> or pastebin
[06:08] <hellblade> can someone explain the flood way here cause i dont remember how this is done
[06:08] <bhna> Riddell: hplip starts after cupsys. how can i change this? hp-toolbox works only if hplip starting before cupsys
[06:08] <CellarDoor> notech: I'm sure I've seen an ati driver in the repositories that might work
[06:08] <notech> :)
[06:08] <notech> :)))
[06:08] <Riddell> bhna: change the number in the filename in /etc/rc2.d
[06:09] <notech> kubuntu pastebin offline??
[06:09] <LjL> looks like so
[06:09] <notech> ://
[06:10] <LjL> well use the ubuntu pastebin, it works
[06:10] <bhna> Riddell: i have change the number from 19 to 18 for hplip but cupsys is starting first.
[06:10] <Stele> how can I get a list of the installed files in an installed package?
[06:10] <Stele> im trying to find out where a package got installed
[06:10] <Flosoft> does anyone already have the new Kubuntu?
[06:10] <Riddell> Stele: dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archive/foo....deb
[06:10] <Riddell> Flosoft: flight-1 is out
[06:11] <Flosoft> ???
[06:11] <Flosoft> flight-1?
[06:11] <Flosoft> isn't it Dapper?
[06:11] <LjL> yeah
[06:11] <Flosoft> yeah
[06:11] <CellarDoor> notech: if you search for "ati graphics" in Adept three items for ATI come up here
[06:11] <notech> synaptics?
[06:11] <Flosoft> can anyone check what version of KVIrc is included?
[06:12] <CellarDoor> notech: Kmenu > System > Package Manager (Adept)
[06:12] <notech> thank u
[06:12] <CellarDoor> np :)
[06:13] <sinclair> hi, im really new to kubuntu.. and i see most of the faqs and helps are for ubuntu, could i use this helps in kubuntu aswell?
[06:13] <CellarDoor> yes
[06:13] <LjL> mostly
[06:14] <sinclair> for example, the after installation documentation of ubuntu and all this
[06:14] <sinclair> restricted media formats .. etc
[06:14] <LjL> yes
[06:14] <sinclair> okays :D
[06:14] <LjL> yes = restricted formats
[06:14] <notech> i dont found it in system but done kdesu adept,is it right anyway?
[06:15] <LjL> in general, i don't know. if a document refers to Gnome specifically, then it doesn't apply to Kubuntu, but if it doesn't, it does
[06:15] <notech> it says me it is read mode only,because i need to be root! huh? i do kdesu!
[06:15] <LjL> notech: it ought to be in system, but, yeah
[06:15] <CellarDoor> http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html
[06:15] <CellarDoor> theres one link
[06:15] <Stele> thanks Riddell
[06:16] <CellarDoor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:16] <CellarDoor> covers kubuntu as well
[06:16] <bhna> Riddell: ok. thanks. i changed it only in rc0.d. i think this shoud be changed in dapper?
[06:16] <JoeBu> anybody here got the drupal pkg to work ?
[06:16] <Riddell> bhna: cool, please file a bug on bugzilla
[06:17] <JoeBu> it is supposed to install all the dependencies for php but I dont think its firin on all cylinders
[06:18] <CellarDoor> notech: xorg-driver-fglrx is the one you want I think... if you just open the Package Manager (Adept) as you would any other program it will ask you for your password.
[06:18] <notech> yes,i write my psw. but it says read only mode needto be root!
[06:19] <CellarDoor> hmm
[06:19] <jatos> hi
[06:19] <JoeBu> caps lock?
[06:19] <N1omi> how can i launch kbattery from CLI?
[06:19] <jatos> does anyone here know a linux program to mirro hd's?
[06:19] <LjL> jatos: dd, i suppose
[06:19] <Stele> i assume kubuntu uses glibc2.3?
[06:19] <N1omi> xcopy
[06:20] <Stele> is there a command to determine glibc version?
[06:20] <CellarDoor> notech: just start it up again and type your password in the dialoge when it comes up and click ok... it shouldn't be in read only mode
[06:20] <JoeBu> jatos: like rsync?
[06:20] <notech> cellardoor: my vga is not listed there do i need to install it ?
[06:20] <jatos> ah thanks
[06:20] <CellarDoor> notech: your graphics card ?
[06:21] <CellarDoor> what was it again ?
[06:21] <notech> ati igp 345M
[06:21] <jatos> rsync, would that copy two partition from my 40 gig hd to my 80gig hd?
[06:22] <JoeBu> jatos, you can use plain old tar for that if you are just doing a backup
[06:22] <JoeBu> what u using it for?
[06:23] <CellarDoor> notech: two options I guess - you could install the xorg-driver-fglrx and see if it works, or you could check out the ATI website and see if they have drivers...
[06:23] <jatos> no what I am doing is moving the partitions on windows hd so I can format the $) and put linux on it
[06:24] <jatos> *80
[06:24] <JoeBu> jatos, tar will work...there is an excellent howto on the ubuntuforums board detailing how to backup your system
[06:24] <jatos> its not a backup
[06:25] <JoeBu> ah, sorry
[06:25] <CellarDoor> notech: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300
[06:25] <hellblade> notech what is your laptop name?
[06:26] <JoeBu> jatos, i would use knoppix to fool with my partitions
[06:26] <jatos> the partitions need to be bootable  once mirrored
[06:26] <jatos> I sticking qtparted on ubuntu live
[06:26] <JoeBu> brb
[06:26] <jatos> I can and have installed qtparted on linux live, its small enough todo that
[06:27] <jatos> I would use knoppix but my knoppix cvd has stopped working
[06:27] <CellarDoor> oh good grief ATI suck
[06:27] <Snake__> Yep
[06:27] <jatos> i stratched part of the data surface off by accident
[06:27] <CellarDoor> in their list of popular distributions, they dont list ubuntu
[06:28] <notech> Sony vaio fr415s
[06:28] <Snake__> They probly list debian..
[06:28] <CellarDoor> yeah debian is there
[06:28] <notech> i was googling about my vga and there are some drivers but not for kubuntu..
[06:28] <Snake__> They probly list ubuntu under debian
[06:28] <icewt> CellarDoor: well, ubuntu is still relatively new
[06:28] <JoeBu> jatos, i would also recommend taking a look at The ultimate Boot CD
[06:28] <Snake__> Because thats technecly the distro
[06:28] <jatos> thanks...
[06:28] <JoeBu> in firefox, type ultimate boot cd in the address bar
[06:28] <Snake__> I bet they dont have knoppix on there
[06:28] <CellarDoor> icewt: too new for ATI it seems, but not for nvidia ;)
[06:29] <JoeBu> and also try "INSERT"
[06:29] <hellblade> notech: take a look at this if the official ati driver doesn't work for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATIOnBreezyOpenGLFix
[06:29] <jatos> I am gonna go now cu
[06:29] <JoeBu> which is on that cd
[06:29] <Snake__> They should put the drivers in the repos and make life easy
[06:29] <CellarDoor> ah nice one hellblade
[06:29] <icewt> CellarDoor: i think they are just lazy in updating such lists ;)
[06:29] <JoeBu> actually the full version of the UBCD has INSERT on it which is based around knoppix
[06:31] <notech> Ugh,it seems really hard! I will ask help to someone at linux day next saturday! thank u anyway
[06:31] <hellblade> I have to go now. next weekend I will try kubuntu and probably stick with it so I'll be here for help:) good luck with yr driver notech! cya guys
[06:31] <notech> see u!
[06:32] <CellarDoor> cya
[06:33] <CellarDoor> the link hellblade posted should see you right notech :)
[06:33] <laptop> i have klaptop and my battery doeesnt seem to charge, is there anything im missing to charge a laptop battery?
[06:33] <notech> lets hope
[06:33] <CellarDoor> :)
[06:33] <CellarDoor> fingers crossed eh
[06:34] <JoeBu> anybody successfully got drupal running on LAMP?
[06:34] <CellarDoor> I made sure i got an nvidia card because I know ATI are a headache :P
[06:34] <notech> lol
[06:35] <sinclair> um, how can i acces the terminal for a sudo command?
[06:35] <notech> in windoze it does good
[06:35] <CellarDoor> ATI need to be convinced, "this affects sales" to Linux customers
[06:35] <CellarDoor> notech: yeah, its all about driver support
[06:35] <notech> where do i come from Cellar?
[06:36] <CellarDoor> I dunno, where do you come from ? :P
[06:36] <notech> (in windoze i can overclock it too)
[06:36] <notech> err..
[06:36] <notech> :)
[06:36] <CellarDoor> wb icewt
[06:36] <notech> au?
[06:37] <CellarDoor> yes
[06:37] <notech> :)
[06:37] <notech> just whoised
[06:37] <conn> can someone look at my Xorg log? I'm getting unresolved symbol errors and I get segfaults when running GLX-enabled apps in resolutions bigger than 1024x768. Here's the Xorg log: http://pastebin.ca/29280
[06:37] <h> I successfully modprobe snd-intel8x0m for my modem. But I still don't see /dev/modem. What should I do?
[06:38] <newbie911> hi pp, does anibody knows why accents dont work in kvirc with ubuntu?
[06:39] <Flosoft> does anyone know why there is such an old version of kvirc in kubuntu?
[06:39] <Flosoft> and could someone put that up2date?
[06:39] <CellarDoor> egads ! all these questions I have no answers to :P
[06:40] <apokryphos> !info kvirc
[06:40] <ubotu> kvirc: (Fully scriptable graphical IRC client with plugin support), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2:<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1365 kB, Installed size: 4064 kB
[06:40] <CellarDoor> ah yes, ubotu, of course
[06:40] <Flosoft> yes ...
[06:40] <apokryphos> Flosoft: not *that* old at all
[06:40] <Flosoft> well it is
[06:40] <Flosoft> 3.20 is out
[06:40] <apokryphos> again, not that old
[06:41] <Flosoft> but there is quite a difference
[06:41] <Flosoft> especially in the interface
[06:41] <Flosoft> I already had a 3.xx version on my old SuSE 9.0
[06:43] <CellarDoor> SuSE are a bit bleeding edge at times... they had Kaffeine packaged as part of SuSE long before It was usable :P
[06:43] <bhna> Riddell: the hplip bug is in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17298
[06:44] <l3m> Flosoft: Konversation is better than kvirc anyway.. ;)
[06:44] <icewt> about the k menu problem, the things i've tried to manually add there with kmenuedit are in ~/.local/share/applications, but they just don't show up in the menu, except for one which i added before this problem appeared
[06:44] <CellarDoor> yay Konversation r0x0rs
[06:44] <Flosoft> nah ... I don't like them
[06:45] <Flosoft> I use KVIrc because it has a nice Interfice and is easy to use
[06:45] <CellarDoor> I have baghira installed, and konversation looks gorgeous :P
[06:45] <Riddell> bhna: thanks
[06:46] <l3m> hehe i don't use kvirc because it has a sucky interface and Konversation offers everything i would want from an irc client hehe
[06:46] <laptop> i have klaptop and my battery doeesnt seem to charge, is there anything im missing to charge a laptop battery?
[06:46] <Flosoft> hehe
[06:47] <notech-away> laptop: maybe acpi
[06:49] <laptop> i have acpi installed, could it be anything else(tried 2 batteries also)
[06:49] <Flosoft> so I would really be happy if there would be a 3.20 KVIrc Kubuntu version
[06:50] <Flosoft> in my Synaptic
[06:51] <Flosoft> on another topic ....
[06:51] <Flosoft> I don't have any sound
[06:52] <Flosoft> only from my Sound Card Line and Mic
[06:52] <CellarDoor> nite all
[06:52] <Flosoft> I have 2 soundcards
[06:52] <Flosoft> CellarDoor: niete
[06:52] <Flosoft> CellarDoor: *nite
[06:54] <Flosoft> what happened there?
[06:56] <Flosoft> well that is something I don't get ... now it works
[06:56] <Flosoft> were there any fixes this morning regarding that?
[06:58] <N1omi> can i launch kbattery from CLI?
[07:09] <GeniusDex> should i be able to use kubuntu 5.10 to compile a kernel module for debian's latest installer, which uses a 2.6.12 kernel ?
[07:16] <conn> does anyone notice problems with the transparent rectangle selection on the desktop? If I drag the mouse on the desktop, it causes Xorg's cpu to go right up to 97%.. does anyone have a similar problem?
[07:24] <Stele> conn: selection seemed pretty sluggish to me too
[07:25] <Stele> and i have a very fast video card
[07:26] <tejon> Hola
[07:26] <tejon> saludos a todos
[07:27] <Flosoft> hola
[07:29] <tejon> Hola Flosodt
[07:29] <tejon> perdon, Flosoft
[07:29] <tejon> de donde eres=
[07:29] <conn> Stele: do you notice 2D performance problems in other operations?
[07:29] <Stele> not really
[07:30] <conn> ok, thanks
[07:31] <Stele> i think the transparent selection is just not written too well
[07:34] <Stele> you can set the rubberband effect to disabled in Appearance/Style settings
[07:35] <slow-motion> re
[07:36] <sinclair> how is it with ipods and kubuntu.. is GTKpod good for that? no risk to get everything lost?
[07:39] <Flosoft> soy de Bruselas
[07:41] <tejon> hablas belga
[07:42] <tejon> mucho gusto, yo soy de Guadalajara, Mexico
[07:42] <Flosoft> ah ..
[07:42] <Flosoft> no es cerca ;)
[07:45] <NCLife> tejon, yo soy de Cuernavaca mexico :D
[07:45] <l3m> NCLife: amarok is good with ipod. there's also an ipod io slave, for use with konqui.
[07:46] <NCLife> apokryphos:  i am really new to this.. i connected my ipod and it said something is not mount..
[07:47] <NCLife> oh I3m, do i need to install something first before to get my ipod to run?
[07:47] <toko1213> I have a tv show transcript I'd like to parse. so that each persons words go into a seperate file. The oginal file is in html the waty is is set up say four people ar talking u,x,y,z   like this x: blah blah blah maybe many lines with nl   z: blah ,blah, blah.... x: blah..... u: blah, blah...
[07:47] <toko1213> what shoiuld I be looking at to get started?
[07:48] <l3m> NCLife: i just plugged my ipod shuffle into the usb slot, it was recognized automagically and amarok also auto-showed the tracks on it
[07:48] <l3m> you can (if you want, it's optional) install ipodslave (sudo apt-get install ipodslave), then you can access the data on your ipod directly..
[07:49] <NCLife> uoh :o well mine tryed to open with konqueror to show it like a hd i guess but it said /media not found or something like that
[07:49] <NCLife> oh, okay, i gonna try that :)
[07:49] <NCLife> but, ehm.. a silly question. Where do i find the sudo commandline? >.<
[07:50] <l3m> NCLife: you do need the ipodslave to properly have it show in konqui ( otherwise you'll jsut see the "usb stick" kind of view, which sucks since it's not what the ipod itself shows you when you use it ( yeah apple ipoddb crap at work )
[07:50] <GeniusDex> konsole (K -> System -> Konsole)
[07:50] <l3m> NCLife: just type "sudo apt-get..." in konsole
[07:51] <NCLife> okays :)
[07:51] <l3m> NCLife: you can also use the adept package manager
[07:52] <l3m> which allows installation without having to type in anything into a console...
[07:53] <NCLife> oh yes, that was one of my doubts, if adept is like synaptic
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> good morning all
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[07:54] <ubotu> bonjour
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> that is still fun
[07:54] <NCLife> but right now, i just have to type in the konsole sudo apt-get ipodslave?
[07:57] <NCLife> I3m: what is the code that i have to put in?
[07:57] <NCLife> sudo apt-get ipodslave?
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> you can try it
[07:57] <il_pez> problemas para recibir mail, alguien me puede ayudar?
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> or go to wiki.ubuntu.org and search for the list of packages
[07:58] <l3m> yes
[07:58] <NCLife> oh, okayz
[07:58] <l3m> sudo apt-get install ipodslave
[07:59] <l3m> NCLife: if you're used to synaptic, there's also kynaptic
[07:59] <l3m> NCLife: which is a kde-gui'd synaptic
[08:00] <NCLife> hah, no, im not used to anything in linux :p
[08:00] <l3m> ah ok ;)
[08:01] <NCLife> uh, it says couldnt find ipodslave package
[08:01] <che_benway> hi all. having some startup problems. my system spends about 3 mins "waiting for network interfaces". Any help would be appreciate
[08:01] <Snake__> Hey hows it going l3m
[08:02] <GeniusDex> che_benway: it probably can't get DHCP, but that's a wild guess
[08:02] <l3m> fine ty :)
[08:03] <stian_> hey.
[08:03] <jpatrick> stian_: hello
[08:03] <NCLife> :_( I3m, package ipodslave couldnt be found
[08:03] <l3m> NCLife: ah it's probably in the multiverse
[08:03] <toko1213> just got rosegarden working on kubuntu
[08:03] <l3m> !multiverse
[08:03] <ubotu> [repositories]  How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[08:03] <stian_> I just burnt a Kubuntu PowerPC image (live) and am trying to boot my Ibook G4... when I hold C in on boot, it doesn't have any effect. OSX boots. (I am sure I burnt it as a cd image and not a file)
[08:04] <toko1213> works pretty well upto 7 channels
[08:04] <chaoticgeek> I seen something like this before
[08:04] <che_benway> GeniusDex not sure what this means
[08:04] <chaoticgeek> I cant remember what he did
[08:04] <toko1213> p4 1.5 512 mb
[08:05] <toko1213> sound blaster live 5.1
[08:05] <chaoticgeek> stian_: have you tried going into the boot options in OSX and chaning it to boot from cd automaticly?
[08:05] <GeniusDex> che_benway: DHCP is a way for network interfaces to get their network information, if it's not present on your network it will just sit there and wait for a response it will never receive
[08:05] <stian_> hm
[08:06] <stian_> from system preferences?
[08:06] <chaoticgeek> ya its somewhere in system pref. I dont use a mac much, but I know its there
[08:07] <stian_> hm, it's not listed under system startup disks.
[08:07] <che_benway> GeniusDex: i think it is available on my system. i have a cable broadband connection
[08:07] <chaoticgeek> my old highscool recently converted to macs and I was helping out over the summer and we had to boot to a cd and there was something like that.
[08:07] <GeniusDex> che_benway: do you have any form of router installed?
[08:07] <chaoticgeek> but the IT manager went into the system prefrences and made it boot to cd first
[08:07] <che_benway> GeniusDex: yes
[08:07] <NCLife> cries* :p
[08:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> has anyone here ever gotten kaffenine to work?
[08:08] <che_benway> GeniusDex: have a D Link router and share the connection with another pc
[08:08] <GeniusDex> they usually provide DHCP, can't really help you then
[08:08] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell NCLife -about !multiverse
[08:08] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: works for me
[08:08] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell NCLife -about !multiverse
[08:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> LjL, did it work right off the bat?
[08:09] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: well i had to install gstreamer plugins i suppose
[08:09] <che_benway> GeniusDex: ok. thanks anyway. Started having this problem since I replaced my network card
[08:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> LjL, what processor do u use?
[08:09] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: amd sempron
[08:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> ljl is it a laptop?
[08:09] <chaoticgeek> I've got a sempron
[08:09] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: no
[08:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> LjL, thx for the info...ill have to check into this more
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NCLife -about !sources
[08:11] <l3m> !sources
[08:11] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NCLife -about sources
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NCLife -about multiverse
[08:11] <chaoticgeek> whats so good about drapper kubuntu image?
[08:11] <LjL> about what?
[08:12] <LjL> dapper flight-1 you mean?
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> ya
[08:12] <l3m> it breaks
[08:12] <l3m> :)
[08:12] <LjL> i don't think there's anything "so good", it's just a very preliminary release of the next version of (k)ubuntu
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> ok
[08:22] <Riddell> l3m: how does it break?
[08:23] <l3m> dunno but it's a prerelease so its bound to, one way or another :)
[08:28] <dell500> why doesn't the command 'sudo chown -R dell500:dell500 /path/to/raiddevice' not work? i get access to all the other folders except my mp3 folder, it has a lock symbol on it
[08:33] <NCLife> thanks for the help I3m, ill try it later :pp
[08:35] <sampan> i'm on a P4 ... no custom kernal (just stock breezy) so, does it matter if i choose mplayer-386 or mplayer-586 or mplayer-686?  are those for different kernals only?
[08:36] <GeniusDex> 386 will be optimized for i386 processors, 586 for i586, etc
[08:36] <GeniusDex> i believe P4 classifies as i686
[08:36] <GeniusDex> older processors will work, but less optimized
[08:36] <LjL> Riddell: on 3.5rc1, when i change the Fonts settings, it always tells me that "the anti-aliasing settings has been changed and will only apply to newly started applications", even if i don't change the anti-aliasing settings at all. file a bug=
[08:36] <LjL> ?
[08:37] <sampan> GeniusDex, yeah that's what i was hoping -- I just wondered if they would also need a custom kernal (since kubuntu's stock kernel is 386) or if it didn't matter
[08:37] <GeniusDex> don't think so
[08:37] <GeniusDex> but if it doesn't work you can always 'downgrade'
[08:37] <sampan> *cross fingers and pull the trigger*
[08:37] <sampan> :D
[08:37] <l3m> sampan: it doesn't matter except for tiny performance improvements when using the "right" one
[08:37] <l3m> sampan: no they work with any kernel
[08:37] <sampan> thanks l3m :) that's what i wanted to hear
[08:38] <LjL> sampan: hm, why not just install the kernel that's right for your machine anyway?
[08:38] <Flosoft> my sound is dead again
[08:38] <Flosoft> :S
[08:38] <dell500> how do you get read/write privilidges to a certain folder?
[08:38] <jpatrick> dell500: kdesu konqueror
[08:39] <gupta> Hey while backing up system with tar, should tmp folde rbe left out?
[08:39] <LjL> dell500: chmod +rw /dir/ect/ory
[08:39] <dell500> thanks LjL
[08:39] <dell500> LjL, is there a command to tell you the group and name of the user you're on?
[08:39] <gupta> The howto doesn't specify and includes the tmp folder in the backup :\
[08:39] <sampan> LjL, because i have enough trouble already without adding a kernel upgrade to my terrible mix -- i seem to FIND ways to break stuff
[08:40] <sampan> or rather, invent
[08:40] <sampan> :/
[08:40] <LjL> gupta: it's your choice, but /tmp isn't really supposed to contain anything important
[08:40] <LjL> dell500: whoami tells you the user
[08:40] <gupta> K, but that means it could contain imp stuff. What abt u ppl, do you include it?
[08:41] <LjL> sampan: oh, well, must say it worked perfectly well for me -- "aptitude install linux-k7" (since i've got a k7)
[08:41] <ravel> greetings. does anyone else have problems when using Kubuntu and Konqueror and browsing thumbnail galleries?
[08:41] <l3m>     /tmp is deleted everytime you boot, so it better doesn't contain anything persistently important
[08:42] <l3m> but some files created in /tmp are important for currently running processes ( eg. X, KDE )
[08:42] <ravel> i am using Kubuntu 5.10, KDE 3.5 beta on x86, on many websites I can't see all the pictures, especially if they are thumbnails
[08:42] <gupta> thanks l3m. That clears everything :)
[08:42] <LjL> dell500: and "groups <user>" tells you the groups a user belogs to
[08:42] <ravel> (I had the same problem with 5.04 and KDE 3.4)
[08:42] <dell500> LjL, is there a way to make it specific for certain users/groups (dell500:dell500)?
[08:43] <LjL> dell500: no, you can only make it specific to *the* user and, if you want, *the* groups that own the file
[08:43] <l3m> ravel: can you give a link where it doesnt work for you?
[08:43] <dell500> LjL, k
[08:43] <ravel> l3m: yes - http://mikko.tuomela.net/?p=gallery_interrail2en - on this page five of the thumbnails aren't shown in my Konqueror, but Firefox shows them
[08:43] <LjL> dell500: if you want to give a file *group* permissions, it's chmod g+something (where "something" may be "rw")
[08:44] <LjL> dell500: "ls -l <file>" will tell you who the owner and the group of a file are, and "chown" let you change them
[08:44] <l3m> works fine here
[08:44] <dell500> LjL, sweet!
[08:44] <l3m> ravel: works fine here
[08:44] <dell500> LjL, just got permission to all my files, w00t
[08:45] <ravel> l3m, yeah, I think this is very strange. but in some thumbnail galleries all the pics fail to render
[08:45] <l3m> hmm..do you have a "bad" internet connection?
[08:45] <ravel> no
[08:45] <LjL> dell500: chmod and chown have an "-R" option to act recursively, btw
[08:45] <l3m> konqui shows pics only if downloaded completely, i think FF already shows them if only 1/3 or so is received yet
[08:46] <Bicchi> what do i need to install to play .wmv files.
[08:46] <l3m> Bicchi: mplayer and w32codecs
[08:46] <l3m> !sevea
[08:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, l3m
[08:47] <l3m> !seveas
[08:47] <ubotu> l3m: What?
[08:47] <l3m> !w32codecs
[08:47] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntu.nl/
[08:47] <ravel> l3m, hmm, I tried with another user, works ok. I don't believe this is about adblock but it might be one reason even though not probable
[08:48] <l3m> hm do none of the pictures show or do some show and some not?
[08:48] <ravel> yeah, it is not about that
[08:48] <ravel> l3m, on that gallery page (the pasted url) five of the thumbnails fail to show. on some other pages, all of them fail to show
[08:49] <dell500> LjL, ya, figured that out after i did the command :)
[08:49] <l3m> ravel: hmm i have no idea, sorry
[08:50] <ravel> l3m, and interestingly if you load the thumbnails with their url (not embedded into the page), they are displayed OK.
[08:52] <hussam> in system settings/ system services, you can add services or remove from rc0.d , rc1.d .... to rc6.d , but it doesn't do rcs.d?
[08:52] <hussam> is this intentionally left out or a bug?
[08:52] <hussam> sorry that's rcS.d
[08:53] <l3m> hussam: there's a "start at boot" box
[08:54] <l3m> hussam: which does exactly that ;)
[08:54] <hussam>  l3m: yes I got tthat, but if you notice it only adds services to rc0.d ...to rc6.d
[08:55] <hussam>  l3m: it doesn't touch rcS.d
[08:55] <GeniusDex> Does anyone have a clue how i can get this SATA controller wroking with kubuntu: Adaptec AIC-8130: (Marvell 88SX6041) 4-port Hercules-2, rev B2, SATA Controller ?
[08:57] <hussam> l3m: you got my point?
[08:57] <l3m> hussam: ah.
[08:58] <l3m> hussam: maybe use sysv-rc-conf or ksysv
[09:00] <ravel> okay, the solution: remove from adblock.css the line which says that all 150x100 images should be blocked. :-P
[09:00] <hussam> l3m: even ksysv only sees runlevels 0 to 6
[09:01] <hussam> l3m: I'm really still lost on what each runlevel means? where I can get more info on that? and how it works?
[09:02] <hussam> l3m: I still have a lot to learn about some things about linux like services
[09:05] <l3m> hussam: well each runlevel is a set of services
[09:06] <l3m> hussam: 1 = singleuser mode, 2 = multiusermode but no X, 3 = multiuser with X (traditionally)
[09:06] <hussam> what's runlevel S ?
[09:06] <hussam> in rcS.d?
[09:06] <l3m> startup
[09:07] <l3m> but .. well the runlevels are "user defined", that means that actually each runlevel can be whatever you want
[09:07] <l3m> ^^these are just the defaults
[09:07] <hussam> ok I see
[09:07] <l3m> oops
[09:07] <l3m>  S = singleuser
[09:07] <l3m> 0 = startup
[09:07] <neoncode> I'm just wondering... does KDE have any kind of Widget system? like "Konfabulator" for mac and windoze?
[09:07] <hussam> oh
[09:08] <l3m> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
[09:08] <l3m> hussam: anyway, what is important that for a desktop, you're in runlevel 3 unless it's an emergency
[09:09] <l3m> hussam: you only need singleuser mode for repairing really broken systems
[09:09] <GeniusDex> neoncode: do you mean superkaramba?
[09:09] <neoncode> GeniusDex: What's what? I'm new to linux....
[09:09] <l3m> yeah
[09:09] <neoncode> What's that sorry
[09:09] <l3m> superkaramba is "linux-konfabulator"
[09:09] <l3m> only better ;)
[09:09] <GeniusDex> as l3m said ;)
[09:10] <neoncode> is it avalable though synaptic?
[09:10] <GeniusDex> should be
[09:11] <l3m> superkaramba - a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE
[09:11] <neoncode> oh and just as a quick question, is there a reason why kynaptic is no-where near as good as synaptic?
[09:11] <l3m> apt-cache search <keyword> helps in such cases
[09:11] <l3m> neoncode: adept
[09:11] <LjL> neoncode: it's much younger
[09:11] <l3m> !adept
[09:11] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[09:12] <neoncode> I've seen adept. I don't realy like it...
[09:12] <neoncode> Ahh superkaramba is avalable though synaptic... good
[09:13] <GeniusDex> so do i l3m, but i'm (still) a debian-user after all ;)
[09:13] <neoncode> are programs like adept and synaptic/kynaptic based on apt-get?
[09:13] <Fillado> yup
[09:13] <LjL> neoncode: not generally
[09:14] <Fillado> :|
[09:14] <LjL> they're based on the APT framework, not necessarily apt-get
[09:14] <GeniusDex> apt-get is a purely command line tool, adept/kynaptic/etc are graphical tools with the same goal
[09:14] <Fillado> ah
[09:14] <LjL> GeniusDex: and a poor one at it, anyway -- in other words, use aptitude ;)
[09:14] <GeniusDex> apt-get will do ;)
[09:14] <l3m> LjL: boeh ;)
[09:15] <GeniusDex> i'm not a too big fan of menu-based package selectors
[09:15] <l3m> apt-get is the easiest and fastest way to manage packages
[09:15] <neoncode> so what exacly *is* apt?
[09:15] <GeniusDex> they remind me of redhat too much, but that' mostly something personal
[09:15] <LjL> GeniusDex: will it remember what dependencies it auto-installed for me, and remove them when they're no longer needed, so that i don't end up with some hundred megs wasted space?
[09:15] <l3m> !apt
[09:15] <ubotu> apt is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[09:15] <LjL> neoncode: the Debian package management system
[09:15] <GeniusDex> LjL: not that i know
[09:15] <toko1213> what is cups admin passwd?
[09:15] <toko1213> sudo passwd don't work
[09:15] <GeniusDex> toko1213: i believe it's your root password, but i'm not sure
[09:16] <LjL> GeniusDex: that's because it doesn't, and it's also why aptitude is better ;)
[09:16] <Chani> how is usb stuff supposed to work in kunbuntu? I installed it on a friend's comp and it... was rather confused about where my usb key was when I plugged it in
[09:16] <GeniusDex> LjL: ok, i agree :P
[09:16] <GeniusDex> LjL: i've only seen it once quickly tho
[09:16] <l3m> GeniusDex: well i'm also a debian user, i just tried kubu for my laptop and really like it. sleep + hibernate + special keys work out of the box, yay
[09:16] <LjL> GeniusDex: you don't have to "see" it, you can just use it like you use apt-get. i've never once used aptitude's GUI
[09:16] <GeniusDex> hmmm
[09:16] <GeniusDex> sounds good
[09:17] <LjL> GeniusDex: "aptitude install <package>", "aptitude remove <package>", "aptitude purge <package>", etc
[09:17] <GeniusDex> l3m: my box is dead right now anyways, using a laptop i'm lending from a friend
[09:17] <LjL> i just don't see why people keep using apt-get, when they can do the *very same* things (and more) with aptitude
[09:17] <neoncode> what are the difrences beetween apt-get and aptitude?
[09:17] <GeniusDex> i'll give aptitude a try when my box is alive again
[09:17] <Chani> GeniusDex: if cups uses the root password (eeevil cups) then... umm.. what about the fact that ubuntu doesn't seem to have a root password?
[09:17] <Fillado> [20:16]  <Chani> how is usb stuff supposed to work in kunbuntu? I installed it on a friend's comp and it... was rather confused about where my usb key was when I plugged it in <-- comes up automatically
[09:17] <LjL> and "aptitude dist-upgrade" of course, which is quite useful and better than apt-get's
[09:17] <LjL> neoncode: see what i said above
[09:17] <Fillado> on the desktop
[09:17] <GeniusDex> Chani: no clue, i never used cups on ubuntu
[09:18] <l3m> LjL: aptitude is just a frontend, it doesn' thave any functionality you don't have in console tools
[09:18] <Chani> Fillado: well, that's nice when it *works*, but it doesn't. :( it *tries* to come up automatically, but then doesn't. I think either the device isn't where it thinks, or the device isn't anywhere at all
[09:18] <GeniusDex> i have a server in front of me i can't get kubuntu or debian to run on :/
[09:18] <GeniusDex> they both don't seem to have the appropiate kernel module for the SATA controller
[09:18] <LjL> l3m: what are you talking about exactly?
[09:18] <Fillado> if it can work for an ipod it should work for everything else :D
[09:18] <Chani> GeniusDex: me neither. but I might have to learn soon... trying to convince my bf to make the switch
[09:18] <LjL> l3m: how exactly would you implement aptitude's functionality with console tools?
[09:19] <Chani> Fillado: "should" is the key word :(
[09:19] <GeniusDex> the printerserver here is running debian, that won't change anytime soon
[09:19] <l3m> LjL: man apt-cache, man apt-file, man deborphan
[09:19] <Chani> what do I do when stuff like that fails? in gentoo, if it failed it was always because *I* forgot to load the module. but in ubuntu... everything's all shiny and I'm afraid to try tweaking stuff
[09:20] <LjL> l3m: pleeeease... don't compare deborphan with aptitude, come on
[09:20] <l3m> ;)
[09:20] <l3m> welll
[09:20] <Fillado> just chucked one in mine - works great :)
[09:21] <Chani> (unfortunately my friend's cable is screwed up right now, so I can't fix it yet, but I'd like an idea of some sort about how to *try* to fix it)
[09:21] <LjL> l3m: how (short of writing a complicated, custom script that basically would replicate aptitude) would i use deborphan to *automatically* remove *those* dependencies (and *only* those) that were installed automatically by apt-get, and are not dependend upon anymore?
[09:21] <l3m> Chani: plugin the usb device and then check all /dev/sxy devices
[09:21] <neoncode> does sudo act the same in debian as it does in kubuntu? I mean in debian does it ask for your actual root pastword or your user password still?
[09:21] <LjL> neoncode: root
[09:21] <Fillado> or type "sudo fdisk -l"
[09:21] <Chani> sudo is sudo. everywhere
[09:21] <LjL> neoncode: i mean, sorry
[09:21] <l3m> LjL: ok. ;)
[09:22] <LjL> neoncode: the desktop asks you for your root password, sudo -- if you use it -- asks for your user password
[09:22] <LjL> neoncode: but you're not a sudoer by default in debian
[09:22] <neoncode> sudoer?
[09:22] <Chani> neoncode: the purpose of sudo is to allow you root *without* knowing the root password :) so if it asked for the root password it'd be kinda silly
[09:22] <LjL> neoncode: /etc/sudoers
[09:22] <Chani> sudoer: someone that can use sudo
[09:23] <LjL> neoncode: (do NOT modify that file manually)
[09:23] <neoncode> what happens if i do?
[09:23] <Chani> LjL: why? :)
[09:23] <LjL> neoncode, Chani: "man visudo"
[09:23] <neoncode> Will it relise a swarm of evil deamons if i do?
[09:23] <LjL> neoncode: you might
[09:23] <l3m> Chani: you might also try "media:/" in konqui after plugging in the usb stick
[09:25] <Chani> l3m: no, that's what it tries. like I said, the automagic stuff is failing. it can't open it
[09:25] <Chani> l3m: either it didn't create the device, or it created it in the wrong place, I think...
[09:25] <neoncode> yay! I got my first superkramba widget working!
[09:26] <Chani> and since I can't find a device for it, I can't try to manually mount it either
[09:26] <l3m> Chani: hmm did you check that it didn't open a new window asking you what to do? that window sometimes does not properly put itself in front of other currently active windows
[09:26] <l3m> alt-tabbing or looking at the window list helps
[09:26] <Chani> l3m: what I am saying is that is DOES open that window
[09:26] <l3m> ok
[09:27] <Chani> I'm telling you it TRIES to do this stuff. but then the windopw gives me an error and it fails
[09:27] <neoncode> oh, is there any kind of 3D benchmarking program for linux?
[09:27] <l3m> what error?
[09:27] <l3m> what's the error message?
[09:27] <Chani> I can't remember any more. either it couldn't open, or couldn't find the device I think. I'm just looking for some vague idea of how to approach the problem, how to go about trying to solve it
[09:28] <l3m> anyway, the auto mounter mounts stuff in /media/usbx
[09:28] <Chani> I don't want to go over to my friend's house and spend 6 hours on *her* computer talking to you guys about how it won't work
[09:28] <l3m> try if you see something there while the "what to do" window is oen
[09:28] <Chani> mmkay, I'll have a look in that folder next time I'm there
[09:29] <l3m> Chani: well just ssh -X to her computer, then you don't have to go over at all ? ;)
[09:29] <fatejudger> I'm trying to get my Intel PC Camera to work, does anyone know of a good way to get it to work in Kubuntu?
[09:29] <GeniusDex> fatejudger: plug it in and try it?
[09:29] <Chani> thing is, iirc dmesg didn't give me as many messages as I was expecting... in gentoo, after it talsk about sda n'stuff there'll then be a message aboiut sda1, which is where gentoo puts the usb key...
[09:29] <LjL> l3m: by the way, about apt-file, try auto-apt instead, it's way faster searching
[09:30] <Chani> l3m: two problems: I can't test plugging it in remotely, and like I said earlier her cable is down
[09:31] <l3m> Chani: oh.
[09:31] <Chani> fatejudger: hmm. I never even tried with my intel cam. it wasn't supported 5 years ago... I suppose I should see if it's supported by now :)
[09:31] <l3m> Chani: anyway, after automount failed you can try to mount it by hand
[09:32] <Chani> at least she has the tech support number now... hopefully she'll call them today. modem's screwed up
[09:32] <fatejudger> Chani: I found a driver on sourceforge
[09:32] <Chani> cool
[09:32] <fatejudger> Chani: I can't download it though
[09:32] <fatejudger> Chani: SourceForge is broken
[09:33] <Chani> eeevil
[09:33] <fatejudger> ?
[09:33] <neoncode> what happened to SourceForge?
[09:33] <Chani> heh, I havent used sourceforge in a heck of a long time. I'm used to every package ever being in portage :)
[09:33] <toko1213> what is cups admin passwd?
[09:34] <toko1213> how to start the printer wizard as root?
[09:34] <Chani> toko1213: I think you'll have to guess :( it's not your password or the root password?
[09:34] <toko1213> no
[09:34] <pipitas> toko1213: there probably is no password set, initially
[09:34] <Chani> on gentoo it's the root password...
[09:34] <Chani> toko1213: have you set a root password at all?
[09:34] <Chani> not sudo, root
[09:35] <neoncode> I wonder what distro linux travolis uses.....
[09:35] <pipitas> toko1213: you need to first set the password. Run (as root): "lppasswd -a root" to add root to the CUPS admin database
[09:35] <Chani> btw, anyone know how to get streaming audio in linux? no matter what I do I can't get it to work
[09:36] <Supermule> What kind of streaming audio?
[09:36] <Chani> any kind, really :(
[09:36] <Supermule> format?
[09:36] <pipitas> toko1213: to start the printer wizard as root would not help as long as root can't admin CUPS
[09:36] <Chani> mp3 would be best
[09:36] <Chani> most of the time things just crash
[09:36] <l3m> !root
[09:36] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:37] <Supermule> Hmm... gstreamer, xine etc... supports streaming audio.
[09:37] <neoncode> How do I install GNOME? do I need to install GDM or will haveing KDM be enough? I still want KDE to be my main desktop.
[09:38] <gupta> From the unofficial guide. This seems down: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main . Any mirrors?
[09:39] <fatejudger> Chani: wow, this driver sounds dangerous
[09:39] <fatejudger> Chani: http://spca50x.sourceforge.net
[09:39] <obsvuugj> neoncode> apt-get install ubutnu-desktop
[09:39] <obsvuugj> then it will ask if you want KDM or GDM
[09:40] <LjL> see? this is the perfect example of "why use aptitude"
[09:40] <neoncode> LjL: what?
[09:40] <LjL> install ubuntu-desktop using apt-get, and then sense the fun in removing it later ;)
[09:40] <fatejudger> lol
[09:40] <fatejudger> Gnome is horrible
[09:41] <neoncode> ... I don;t get it...
[09:41] <fatejudger> and you never will...
[09:41] <LjL> neoncode: well ubuntu-desktop installs a ton of packages
[09:41] <LjL> neoncode: if you later decide you want to remove it, you'll have to remove all the packages one by one, if you installed it using apt-get
[09:41] <fatejudger> neoncode: umm, why do you want Gnome then?
[09:41] <LjL> neoncode: if you use aptitude, "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" will do the trickl
[09:41] <fatejudger> LjL: wtf?
[09:41] <neoncode> can I just use aptitude later or does it have to install it first?
[09:42] <fatejudger> LjL: it's apt-get remove
[09:42] <LjL> fatejudger: why?
[09:42] <neoncode> is ubuntu-desktop a metapakage?
[09:42] <LjL> neoncode: no, it can only do it with packages it installed itself
[09:42] <LjL> neoncode: yes, it is
[09:42] <fatejudger> LjL: because, apt-get has super cow powers
[09:42] <LjL> fatejudger: ah, ok :-P
[09:42] <fatejudger> LjL: I'm serious god damnit
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: apt-get --help
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: aptitude --help
[09:43] <toko1213> channged lppasswd does not work still?
[09:43] <LjL> fatejudger: i know :-P
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: but aptitude does not have super cow powers
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: that has to mean something...
[09:43] <neoncode> LjL: Ah.. well In my newbish'ness i went into the GNOME software section on synaptic and installed all the pagages that looked important >_< in retrospect it was a bad idea...
[09:44] <neoncode> GNOME won't work though...
[09:44] <fatejudger> neoncode: yes, yes it was
[09:44] <neoncode> Fatejudger: yup...
[09:44] <fatejudger> neoncode: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <fatejudger> neoncode: that won't remove all of the packages you decided to install though
[09:45] <LjL> fatejudger: it just mean you can type "apt-get moo", which you can't do using aptitude
[09:45] <neoncode> fatejudger: I just did.
[09:45] <fatejudger> LjL: LOL
[09:45] <LjL> neoncode: not necessarily a bad idea
[09:45] <LjL> neoncode: but using ubuntu-desktop will give you the whole thing, i.e. everything that is in Ubuntu
[09:45] <neoncode> LjL: what, selecting random pakajes that look important?
[09:46] <pinucset> one think, when i "close" kontact it seems to be korganizer, and i cant open kontact!  I had ubuntu on a test machene when I was testing linux
[09:47] <neoncode> But I have not used it much
[09:47] <LjL> neoncode: people like it, so it can't be "that" bad
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: it's just ugly
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: and disorganized
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: they're claim is that it's faster
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: but really , it isn't any faster
[09:47] <neoncode> fatejudger: how so?
[09:47] <_StarScream> neoncode: GNOME is good if you like the GNOME way of doing things
[09:48] <LjL> neoncode: i prefer KDE. KDE has many, *many* more options to let you configure it the way you like. on the other hand, Gnome tries to keep a polished look, by (among other things) limiting or hiding your configuration options
[09:48] <_StarScream> neoncode: if you like the KDE way of doing things KDE is better
[09:48] <fatejudger> neoncode: well, it really isn't any faster if you use native KDE apps vs native Gnome apps
[09:48] <Stefano> who is the man!?
[09:48] <Stefano> STEFANO
[09:48] <Stefano> !
[09:48] <ubotu> Stefano: No idea
[09:48] <Stefano> ME :D
[09:48] <bur[n] er> kde is faster for me
[09:48] <_StarScream> neoncode: if you like neither, then there are a few dozen other window managers
[09:48] <bur[n] er> amarok > all other media players :)
[09:48] <fatejudger> LjL: what polished look? :P
[09:48] <LjL> _StarScream: Gnome and KDE aren't quite window managers
[09:48] <neoncode> starscream: I kinna like KDE
[09:48] <LjL> fatejudger: well, come on, many dialogs in KDE are definitely overcrowded
[09:48] <bur[n] er> KDE just has an ugly default icon set ;)
[09:49] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: are you a crystal hater?
[09:49] <_StarScream> LjL: well yeh , DE
[09:49] <LjL> bur[n] er: KDE has an ugly default *look*, not just icons, for what i'm concerned
[09:49] <neoncode> I use one called Nuvola
[09:49] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: indeed I am :)
[09:49] <fatejudger> neoncode: nuvola is cool
[09:49] <Stefano> like there were two types of human beings: common ppl, and CRYSTAL-HATERS *evil*
[09:49] <pinucset> why when i "close" kontact it happens to be korganizer NOT KONTACT? please help...
[09:50] <neoncode> apt-get sounds like something named by 4chan///
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: do you have Kubuntu plastik?
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: what about KDE 3.5 plastik?
[09:50] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: yep
[09:50] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: and yep
[09:50] <LjL> bur[n] er: yeah, lipstick is not the best style i could imagine, but same for me: the others aren't any better
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: what DO you like?
[09:50] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: clearlooks & new-human (metacity theme) :)
[09:50] <neoncode> Can i upgrade from KDE 3.4 to 3.5 useing apt-get?
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: Gnomer...
[09:51] <LjL> bur[n] er: Mac users are lucky, they can install Baghira and have a style they (usually) really like... but i'm no Mac user ;)
[09:51] <fatejudger> neoncode: yes
[09:51] <fatejudger> !tell neoncode about KDE3.5
[09:51] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: kinda... but KDE is pulling me in... I still miss gaim, and I use firefox instead of konq, but I'm trying kopete
[09:51] <LjL> neoncode: note that 3.5rc1 still has some issues. look at the "known bugs" page to find out, before you decide to install it
[09:51] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: the new Kopete kicks ass
[09:51] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: 0.11
[09:52] <jpatrick> neoncode: read http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html
[09:52] <neoncode> the letters "RC" make it sound all the more intresting
[09:52] <LjL> bur[n] er: what's wrong with konq?
[09:52] <pinucset> why when i "close" kontact it happens to be korganizer NOT KONTACT? please help...
[09:52] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: is there an updated kde?  I have beta2 sources and kopete .10.3
[09:52] <LjL> neoncode: release candidate
[09:52] <bur[n] er> .10.93 rather
[09:52] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: yes
[09:52] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: RC1
[09:52] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: it's much more stable and featureful
[09:52] <neoncode> LjL: I know what RC means... I just like beta stuff...
[09:52] <jpatrick> pinucset: KOrganiser Reminder Daemon
[09:52] <LjL> neoncode: ok
[09:52] <fatejudger> !KDE3.5
[09:52] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[09:53] <bur[n] er> where can i get sources?  kubotu doesn't seem to exist ;)
[09:53] <neoncode> Like firefox 1.5 I have RC1 of that i need to get RC2...
[09:53] <bur[n] er> oh, ubotu's here :)
[09:53] <pinucset> jpatrick but i want kontact not korganizer when i close...
[09:53] <LjL> neoncode: just be warned that going back to 3.4 is not going to be easy, if you happen to stumble on bad problems with 3.5
[09:53] <neoncode> LjL: how come?
[09:53] <jpatrick> pinucset: korganiser is part of Kontact
[09:53] <fatejudger> LjL: the problems have been fixed
[09:53] <pinucset> but jpatrick from korganiser i cant access to kontact :S
[09:53] <fatejudger> neoncode: don't worry about it RC1 is quite stable, there isn't anything to worry about
[09:53] <pinucset> jpatrick if i enter to korganizer i cant see my contacts etc.
[09:53] <fatejudger> neoncode: I would have recommended not to use the Beta, but the RC1 is fine
[09:54] <LjL> fatejudger: i'm not talking about extremely bad problems -- that is, not on my system in any case -- but problems are definitely still there
[09:54] <neoncode> Oh ok
[09:54] <fatejudger> LjL: what problems?
[09:54] <LjL> neoncode: well, it's not too easy to rollback packages in general
[09:54] <jpatrick> pinucset: that's because kontact also uses KAddressBook
[09:54] <blanky> is kde with ubuntu coming along nicely?
[09:54] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: Beta 2 was horrible
[09:54] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: it took me at least an hour to fix
[09:54] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: well... i'm getting rc1 now
[09:54] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: and Akgregator never worked right
[09:54] <pinucset> jpatrick how can i do that when i close kontact it begins opened kontact, NOT korganizer??
[09:54] <LjL> fatejudger: wrong icons... empty icons... nothing too bad, here.
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: oh, I don't use icons
[09:55] <bur[n] er> akregator is crash-happy here
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: did you upgrade from Beta 1 or Beta 2?
[09:55] <jpatrick> pinucset: :/
[09:55] <bur[n] er> but liferea > akregator ;)
[09:55] <neoncode> what are the major diffrences between KDE 3.4 and KDE RC 1?
[09:55] <LjL> fatejudger: you... don't use icons?
[09:55] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: the new akgregator is fixed
[09:55] <LjL> fatejudger: i upgraded from 3.4
[09:55] <blanky> hey guys, I installed kubuntu-desktop and in gnome, in my menu, I have apps that dont have icons :(
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: no... that's why I use KDE
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: I'm a little OCD when it comes to my computer
[09:55] <LjL> fatejudger: you have no toolbars in your apps?
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: everything must be clean, neat, and ordered
[09:55] <neoncode> fatejudger: OCD?
[09:55] <jpatrick> neoncode: prettier kicker
[09:56] <bur[n] er> svg support!!
[09:56] <fatejudger> neoncode: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
[09:56] <bur[n] er> there was no svg icon support in 3.4
[09:56] <neoncode> jpatrick: what's kicker?
[09:56] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: oh yeah, I forgot to mention that
[09:56] <bur[n] er> kicker == taskbar
[09:56] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: I have an svg wallpaper
[09:56] <neoncode> Ohh
[09:56] <neoncode> is SVG a image file format?
[09:56] <fatejudger> LjL: I have toolbars in my apps
[09:56] <jpatrick> neoncode: yes
[09:56] <bur[n] er> svg == greatest icon format
[09:56] <fatejudger> LjL: and they work just fine
[09:57] <Stefano> yeah doods im gonna go to the cinema with teh hottest gal woot!
[09:57] <neoncode> bur[n] er: why?
[09:57] <jpatrick> neoncode: Scaleable Vector Graphics
[09:57] <LjL> fatejudger: KMail, look at the toolbar icons to classify mail as spam or ham -- that is, if you have those (and you only have those if you run the anti-spam wizard)
[09:57] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: it's nice for anything that needs to scale, wallpaper, icons
[09:57] <bur[n] er> neoncode: it's scalable... in that it looks good at 128x128 as well as 32x32
[09:57] <fatejudger> LjL: gmail filters all spam for me
[09:58] <neoncode> are there any problems with dual-head xorg configs with KDE 3.5RC1?
[09:58] <LjL> fatejudger: gmail is probably evil.
[09:58] <LjL> anyway, gotta go, later
[09:58] <fatejudger> LjL: gmail is great
[09:58] <fatejudger> LjL: cya
[09:58] <neoncode> gmail is good!
[09:59] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: any tips on making firefox look good with KDE?  mostly my fonts are funny lookin
[09:59] <neoncode> hey who is ubotu? is it a bot?
[09:59] <bur[n] er> neoncode: sure is
[09:59] <jpatrick> neoncode: yes
[09:59] <neoncode> Oooo...
[10:00] <neoncode> Hey can you register on IRC? and how does that work? Oh and sorry for being such a newbie and asking so meany questions...
[10:00] <jpatrick> neoncode: see /msg NickServ help
[10:00] <jpatrick> neoncode: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:01] <blanky> hey guys, I installed kde and it kinda messed up my gnome menu by putting in apps in it that have no icons, does this happen with all distros
[10:01] <hussam> anybody here using kde 3.5 RC1?
[10:01] <jpatrick> neoncode: no problem
[10:01] <jpatrick> hussam: wish I could but I'm on Dapper
[10:02] <hussam> I just wanted to know if there are any improvments in konqueror's khtml rendering engine.
[10:02] <neoncode> jpatrick: WTF is a dapper anyway?
[10:02] <jpatrick> hussam: Itrocks
[10:02] <hussam> 3.4 was an improvments over 3.3
[10:03] <jpatrick> neoncode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[10:03] <hussam> jpatrick: does it pass acid2 test? firefox 1.5 does not.
[10:03] <jpatrick> hussam: it did
[10:03] <hussam> jpatrick: brilliant
[10:03] <GeniusDex> KHTML 3.5 should pass acid2, won't it?
[10:04] <jpatrick> hussam: Safari beat it but hey
[10:04] <hussam> jpatrick: then I can't wait till dapper
[10:04] <neoncode> jpatrick: No I know that it's the next realice but why is it called dapper and what does the word "dapper" actualy mean?
[10:05] <jpatrick> It's called Dapper because Mr Shuttleworth said it should be called Dapper
[10:05] <neoncode> jpatrick: and what exacly *is* a "dapper"?
[10:06] <jpatrick> neoncode: :/
[10:06] <neoncode> what?
[10:07] <neoncode> ...
[10:07] <bur[n] er> neoncode: dictionary.com :P
[10:07] <jpatrick> isn't it an adjective?
[10:08] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: use Konqueror
[10:08] <neoncode> dapper (dp'r) pronunciation
[10:08] <neoncode> adj.
[10:08] <neoncode>    1.
[10:08] <neoncode>          1. Neatly dressed; trim.
[10:08] <neoncode>          2. Very stylish in dress.
[10:08] <neoncode>    2. Lively and alert.
[10:08] <bur[n] er> konqueror doesn't have adblock or many of the other extensions that make firefox wonderful :\
[10:08] <bur[n] er> neoncode: i think we already knew that ;)  you were the one askin
[10:09] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: it does have an adblock!
[10:09] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: yes it does
[10:09] <blanky> what's the difference between installing kubuntu and kubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <neoncode> bur[n] er:sorry...
[10:09] <bur[n] er> no kidding?  time to try it out again
[10:09] <hussam> I Just finished compiling and installing kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, I'll reboot now. hopefully it'll work.
[10:09] <fatejudger> blanky: kubuntu-desktop is a package, kubuntu is a distro
[10:09] <jpatrick> hussam: cya
[10:09] <blanky> fatejudger, i know
[10:09] <blanky> fatejudger, but what's the difference
[10:09] <fatejudger> blanky: then why did you ask?
[10:09] <fatejudger> blanky: nothing
[10:10] <fatejudger> blanky: they're the same packages
[10:10] <blanky> oh okay
[10:10] <bur[n] er> do you guys find a difference if you use kdm or gdm?
[10:10] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: yes
[10:10] <toko1213> http://www.kde-forum.org/post/54079/lastpost.html#post54079
[10:10] <neoncode> hey Firefox 1.5 RC 3 is out....
[10:10] <toko1213> can someone suggest a link to get cups working on kubuntu
[10:11] <toko1213> can not authenticate
[10:11] <toko1213> user and passwd problem
[10:11] <toko1213> tried lmpasswd -a root and user
[10:11] <neoncode> Hey I can talk to this ubotu, I never knew that.....
[10:12] <toko1213> no go and modified /etc/cupsd.conf
[10:12] <bur[n] er> neoncode: ubotu is full of wonderful knowledge
[10:12] <neoncode> bur[b] er: sure..
[10:12] <neoncode> [21:12]  <neoncode> how do I get KDE 3.5 RC 1?
[10:12] <neoncode> [21:12]  <ubotu> No idea, neoncode
[10:12] <toko1213> btw this is the first time I've had such problems ith a linux distro
[10:13] <jpatrick> rofl
[10:13] <toko1213> I use a epson c82 extreemly easy to get going
[10:14] <toko1213> I could prob take the cupsd.conf off an fc2 machine and see what happens
[10:15] <bur[n] er> so where's this konqueror adblock extension? apt-cache search konqueror adblock shows nothing
[10:15] <toko1213> but I'm wondering if anyone on the channel has a printer and how they got it to work
[10:15] <icewt> toko1213: yes
[10:16] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: tools section
[10:16] <toko1213> icewt: you have a printer?
[10:16] <icewt> toko1213: indeed
[10:16] <toko1213> and what method did you use to get it to work
[10:16] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: no wait -> Settings -> Configure Extensions
[10:17] <icewt> toko1213: i added it in the KDE System Settings -> Printers
[10:17] <bur[n] er> jpatrick: i only have the search bar plugin :\
[10:17] <toko1213> mine kinda works it spitsa out what appeard to be ps tex like code when I issue a print command
[10:17] <icewt> toko1213: what printer do you have?
[10:18] <toko1213> epson c 82
[10:18] <icewt> i have Epson C66
[10:18] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Adblock
[10:18] <jpatrick> abuse! :O
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> anyone know how to get kde to actually pay attention to menus added to ~/.config/menus like crossover office?
[10:19] <bur[n] er> aww... i see it jpatrick, thanks!
[10:19] <jesusfish> how would I get alsa/sound drivers to not load on boot?
[10:19] <toko1213> I have no kde->system->settings?
[10:19] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: no problem
[10:19] <toko1213> I see a printer manager under utilities
[10:20] <icewt> toko1213: i mean "System Settings" in the K-menu
[10:20] <toko1213> when I use it it reports foomatic driver is not installed or I do not have permission to install the driver
[10:21] <icewt> toko1213: printer manager under utilities is the same thing though
[10:21] <icewt> toko1213: did you try any other driver?
[10:21] <neoncode> why does the development go x.04 -- x.6 -- x+1.04? what happened to .1 .2 .3 and so on?
[10:22] <toko1213> trying now ...
[10:22] <icewt> toko1213: and have you entered in administrator mode?
[10:22] <bur[n] er> is it just me or does maps.google.com not work in konqueror?
[10:22] <bur[n] er> scratch that... if i set identification to ie6, it works
[10:22] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: probably plugin problem
[10:23] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: oh cool
[10:23] <toko1213> icewt,  looks like the driver was the problem thanks
[10:23] <pipitas> toko1213: did you listen to what I told you before re. CUPS??
[10:23] <bur[n] er> er... disregard, it just doesn't work
[10:24] <toko1213> did not work
[10:24] <toko1213> pipitas, did not work
[10:24] <toko1213> icewt, looks good
[10:24] <toko1213> appears to work test page perfect
[10:24] <toko1213> time to eat
[10:25] <toko1213> breakfast for dinner
[10:25] <pipitas> toko1213: unless you give a precise description of what you want to achieve, and what the problem is, you'll not find help easily
[10:26] <GuerillaTactiks> Hello, I cannot play .avi files in kaffeine, what do I do?
[10:26] <bur[n] er> GuerillaTactiks: get the right codecs for your movie
[10:26] <GuerillaTactiks> !codecs
[10:26] <ubotu> codecs is probably binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[10:27] <GuerillaTactiks> Im trying to
[10:27] <GuerillaTactiks> But I don't know how to install them in linux
[10:29] <GuerillaTactiks> VLC sounds promising
[10:30] <bur[n] er> vlc will prolly work
[10:30] <bur[n] er> or get the w32codecs package that ubotu just talked about
[10:30] <bur[n] er> kaffeine-xine is a nice package too.. works a lil better than gstreamer currently
[10:31] <LeeJunFan> anyone know if kde looks in ~/.local ~/.config or both for menu info?
[10:31] <GuerillaTactiks> Oh, so that package does'nt come by default with kaffiene?
[10:31] <jpatrick> LeeJunFan: ~/.config
[10:31] <GuerillaTactiks> Yay!
[10:31] <LeeJunFan> jpatrick: I've got a lot of entries in .local that are apparently where my menu entries for all my apps installed after system install are referenced.
[10:32] <GuerillaTactiks> Works in VLC without codecs
[10:32] <GuerillaTactiks> Thanks a bunch people
[10:32] <frank23> where is the kubuntu wiki?
[10:32] <neoncode> About that avi question, how do you get wmv files to play? or can i convert files from wmv to a superiour non-drm format?
[10:33] <jpatrick> frank23: wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[10:33] <jpatrick> LeeJunFan: should be in ~/.config
[10:34] <bur[n] er> neoncode: w32codecs package... or use a conversion
[10:34] <frank23> jpatrick: thanks. I setup a samba share on my computer but I can't see it in samba:/  in knoqueror
[10:35] <neoncode> Ahh! when I installed ubuntu-desktop it cluttered up my k..menu..thingy with lots of crappy GNOME apps. bad GNOME! *hits gnome*
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> jpatrick: thanks, I'll just have to play around and figure this out. I setup crossover office and it's in .config/menus path but isn't showing on menus.
[10:43] <neoncode> it's gone awfully quiet...
[10:44] <nadjyla> hello
[10:44] <neoncode> hello
[10:51] <slow-motion> n8
[10:54] <toko1213> I want to add an aplication which now runs via the term to the kde menu
[10:54] <toko1213> what will give me access to the kde menu
[10:56] <toko1213> kseq?
[10:57] <neoncode> how do you rename stuff useing bash?
[10:57] <Stele> mv
[10:57] <neoncode> I thought tha was move?
[10:57] <Stele> mv/rename - same thing
[10:57] <toko1213> mv foo.bar foo1.bar
[10:57] <neoncode> Oooo#]
[11:00] <ZipKDE> hiyas all :) Im wondering if anyone can help a newb O:-) with a problem Im having booting Kubuntu Breezy? I've just installed it tonight, and when it booted for the first time everything seemed fine... Ive just rebooted it, and now Breezy is not booting KDE - I get a DOS looking login prompt instead... if I sign in from there, nowt else is happening... any ideas what I type to start kde?
[11:01] <jesusfish> how do I stop a sound driver from loading on boot?
[11:02] <neoncode> ZipKDE: sudo init 3?
[11:02] <neoncode> that might work...
[11:02] <ZipKDE> Thanks neon I'll give it a go ;)
[11:02] <neoncode> not that i'm an expert myself
[11:03] <ZipKDE> its doing something *fingers crossed* - it says "* switching to runlevel :3" - *holds breath*
[11:03] <rudih> how i install gtk-qt engine?
[11:04] <ZipKDE> hmm it doesnt appear to be doing anything else (:- It hasnt crashed so will leave it for a tick - hopefully its just having a good think?
[11:05] <rudih> how to install gtk-qt engine?
[11:05] <neoncode> I dunno.... I realy dunno that much about linux. i'm kinna new-ish but I know a bit... it might be a xorg.conf problem...
[11:05] <ZipKDE> hmm it didn't work - its returned to the prompt :(
[11:05] <rudih> what the right name for gtk-qt engine...i want to install it
[11:05] <neoncode> rudih: I have no idea...
[11:06] <rudih> anybody?
[11:06] <neoncode> does anyone rember the command to re-build the /ect/X11/xorg.conf file? That Might help ZipKDE... or does anyone have any suggestions?
[11:06] <ZipKDE> OK thanks neon :) I tried using startx - not doing anything - throwing the error message xauth: error in locking authority file :(
[11:07] <rudih> i want that gnome and kde  applications have the same look
[11:07] <neoncode> rudih: you can do that?
[11:07] <rudih> how to fix this?
[11:07] <toko1213> ZipKDE, startx
[11:07] <jesusfish> how do I stop a sound driver from loading on boot?
[11:08] <toko1213> are you logged in?
[11:08] <hussam> neoncode: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[11:08] <ZipKDE> hi toko - startx gives me the error xauth: error in locking authority file /home/xxx/.Xauthority :(
[11:08] <neoncode> rudih: I did a search for "gtk-qt" on synaptic and it came up with this pakage gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - try that
[11:08] <ZipKDE> yep its logged in btw
[11:08] <neoncode> hussam: thanks that's it ZipKDE try that?
[11:09] <rudih> es thats it...i did it before
[11:09] <ZipKDE> thanks - I'll try that now ;)
[11:09] <rudih> es=yes
[11:09] <rudih> tkx neoncode
[11:09] <neoncode> ZipKDE: Rember i'm no expert. I just know a little....
[11:09] <toko1213> jesusfish: why disable sound?
[11:09] <hussam> ZipKDE: sudo rm *authority
[11:09] <hussam> ZipKDE: sorry sudo rm ~/*authority
[11:10] <neoncode> ZipKDE: see others know a lot more than me
[11:10] <neoncode> like hussam here
[11:10] <ZipKDE> thanks hussam - I'll try that now :)
[11:11] <neoncode> what was the ubuntu wiki aticle on upgradeing to new version of firefox?
[11:12] <Delvien> Anyone here experienced with Crossover office ?
[11:12] <gupta> Does the networking service depends on anything? It's not starting on boot, though i ca nsee /rcS.. / S40networking
[11:12] <hussam> ZipKDE: did you dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[11:12] <jesusfish> toko1213: need to use OSS
[11:13] <jesusfish> toko1213: which means auto-loading ALSA drivers is bad
[11:13] <ZipKDE> not yet hussam - I'll try it now :)
[11:13] <Delvien> HEres my errorL The DISPLAY variable is not set. You should either login to as root or use the "su"  with no flags, to make sure setup as an display to use... Anyone have an idea how to fix this?
[11:13] <hussam> ZipKDE: what exactly is the problem? you can't log in to kde ore something like that?
[11:14] <toko1213> jesusfish, kde->system setting-> sound
[11:14] <ZipKDE> yes hussam - its booting to the "command prompt" - not into KDE itself
[11:14] <ZipKDE> just tried that command you gave - it says "xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed" :(
[11:15] <jesusfish> toko1213: no, I need to prevent the modules from aut-loading
[11:15] <ZipKDE> i guess thats not good
[11:15] <toko1213> jesusfish, there is a swith there to disable sound?
[11:15] <jesusfish> toko1213: that's just for KDE/arts
[11:15] <jesusfish> toko1213: has nothing to do with kernel modules
[11:16] <toko1213> have you looked at init.d scrips?
[11:16] <jesusfish> toko1213: yes
[11:16] <jesusfish> toko1213: I know discover loads some modules
[11:16] <hussam> ZipKDE: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
[11:17] <ZipKDE> thanks hassam - i'll try that now :)
[11:17] <toko1213> there is an executable in /etc/init.d called alsa
[11:17] <toko1213> mv alsa alsa1
[11:17] <toko1213> might work
[11:18] <hussam> ZipKDE: after that, do this sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[11:18] <jesusfish> toko1213: it just starts alsa
[11:18] <ZipKDE> hassam: it says "xserver-xorg-core is already the newest version" - is there a command I have to do to remove it and totally reinstall it?
[11:19] <hussam> try apt-get install x-window-system-core
[11:19] <bl3ssing> how can I check my capacity of the partition I have the linux installed on?
[11:19] <neoncode> why won't rmdir remove directorys that contins something?
[11:19] <toko1213> yes but if the command is not there to start there is prob a wait and then jump to next command when you boot
[11:19] <ZipKDE> k thanks hassam :)
[11:19] <toko1213> just guessing
[11:20] <gupta> Anybody? Networking service not starting on boot :(
[11:20] <bl3ssing> restart your computer gupta. smae here ... but it is ok now after I've restart it ...
[11:21] <gupta> Iobviously tried that ;)
[11:21] <neoncode> anyone? how do I remove directorys that contin files that I also want to delete?
[11:21] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:21] <bl3ssing> try once more ...
[11:21] <hussam> ZipKDE: to reinstall a package, do sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
[11:21] <gupta> etc/.. networking start works
[11:21] <bl3ssing> how can I check how much capacity my partition has?
[11:22] <ZipKDE> hassam: thanks - I'll do that now :)
[11:22] <gupta> df or du bl3ssing
[11:23] <gupta> du -m to be more precise
[11:23] <ZipKDE> hassam: yep thats installed xserver0xirg - shall i try rebooting now?
[11:23] <ZipKDE> oops xserver-xorg I mean
[11:23] <hussam> ZipKDE: no need, from command line, do sudo /usr/bin/startkde
[11:24] <ZipKDE> hassam: thanks hassam - *fingers crossed* ;)
[11:24] <hussam> ZipKDE: that should skip kdm
[11:24] <neoncode> how do you remove directories?
[11:25] <neoncode> anyone?
[11:25] <hussam> ZipKDE: actually just /usr/bin/startkde should do
[11:25] <bl3ssing> 10x gupta...
[11:25] <ZipKDE> hussam your a genius :D!!!!!!!!
[11:25] <ZipKDE> its working fine *phew* :D
[11:26] <neoncode> ZipKDE: and i'm not?
[11:26] <bl3ssing> a genius? how about Linus Trovaldis? ;)))
[11:26] <ZipKDE> thanks very much for your help! :D
[11:26] <neoncode> *cries*
[11:26] <bl3ssing> how about me?. am I not? :-( screaming ...
[11:26] <ZipKDE> Oh *tsk* k - so are you neon ;)
[11:26] <hussam> are you logged in as you or as root?
[11:26] <bl3ssing> =))
[11:26] <neoncode> =D
[11:26] <neoncode> anyway... how do you remove directories that have files in them?
[11:27] <neoncode> from bash?
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> neoncode: rm -rf
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> neoncode: be careful, there's no getting them back.
[11:27] <bl3ssing> delete them by pressing the Shift key + Delete. ;))) neoncode , I'm talking to you.
[11:27] <hussam> ZipKDE: might want to reboot to check this didn't damage your user account or something
[11:27] <bl3ssing> or ... rm -rf
[11:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:28] <neoncode> LeeJun...whatever: thanks!!!
[11:28] <ZipKDE> hussam : yeah I rebooted to make sure - its all starting normally now ;) now to find out why Im stuck in 640x512 heh
[11:28] <ZipKDE> thanks for the help hussam :D
[11:28] <LeeJunFan> neoncode: you can probably autocomplete nicks btw just type part of it like lee and hit [tab]
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> :)
[11:29] <neoncode> LeeJunFan: Wow!
[11:29] <neoncode> LeeJunFan:  I never knew that...
[11:29] <neoncode> LeeJunFan:  obviously...
[11:29] <bl3ssing> can I backup my new installed kubuntu after I've alredy installed all the package with Adept? how ...?
[11:30] <hussam> can you post everthing under Section "Monitor" and Section "Screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in pastebin.com ?
[11:30] <hussam> ZipKDE: that's for you
[11:31] <neoncode> xorg.conf gave me a massive headache with my dual-head setup
[11:32] <ZipKDE> Hussam - I can try heh...
[11:32] <ZipKDE> its weird - its a voodoo 3 3000 card... ubuntu did pick it up OK... kubuntu seems not to have
[11:33] <hussam> ZipKDE: I remember that one. One of the best display cards ever
[11:34] <neoncode> oops... I deleted the nullplugin.so file form my /opt/firefox/plugins...
[11:35] <ZipKDE> hussam: they dont make cards like they used to ;) - seems pastebin.com is down :( get "could not connect to host pastebin.com" from konquorer - all other sites seem ok
[11:35] <hussam> ZipKDE: try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:36] <neoncode> ahh good disaster averted...
[11:36] <ZipKDE> hussam: just looking at installed packages - seems I have libglide2 (which it says is not for Voodoo 3) AND libglide3 (which it says IS) installed- wonder if removing libglide2 and rebooting would sort it? thanks for link - just trying it now...
[11:37] <neoncode> Oh.. come on... how do i remove a file that has "*" as its name...
[11:38] <McScruff> lo
[11:38] <hussam> neoncode: what file is that?
[11:40] <McScruff> does anyone know how to getflash in firefox in sync?
[11:40] <neoncode> I'm trying to symbolic link all the files in one directory to another so each one is a diffrent link. I used the command "sudo ln -s /usr/share/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*" I should have used "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*" so it made a file called *
[11:41] <ZipKDE> hussam: ive posted those two sections at paste.ubuntulinux.nl - under the name ZipKDE :)
[11:41] <hussam> what's the full link?
[11:42] <hussam> nevermind found it
[11:42] <ZipKDE> hussam : its http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4764
[11:43] <hussam> seems fine
[11:43] <ZipKDE> OK thanks Hussam - possibly due to having two versions of libglide installed?
[11:43] <neoncode> Oh wiat... apparently because I used sudo the file belongs to me so I could delete it in konqueror
[11:44] <ZipKDE> hussam: thanks for that site link too (paste.ubuntulinux) - very handy :)
[11:44] <neoncode> how do I get firefox to tell me what RC verison it is?
[11:44] <neoncode> it won't tell me
[11:44] <neoncode> it just says 1.5
[11:45] <ZipKDE> neon - i dont think the release candidates say which rc they are (do they?)
[11:45] <ZipKDE> im running rc2 here on XP neon - just says Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051107 Firefox/1.5
[11:45] <neoncode> ZipKDE: well that's anoying....
[11:45] <hussam> ZipKDE: when you right click on desktop > Configure Desktop > Display , check the Refresh rate and screen size
[11:45] <neoncode> XP!!! blasphermy! kill it!
[11:46] <hussam> 20051107 is old
[11:46] <neoncode> ahem... sorry I just realy hate micro$oft
[11:46] <hussam> get 20051113 or newer
[11:46] <neoncode> ZipKDE: Oh did you know that RC3 came out...
[11:47] <hussam> neoncode: Microsoft aren't bad. I work for them :) I'm a spy here.
[11:47] <neoncode> ZipKDE: it's what I have... I think...
[11:47] <ZipKDE> hussam : yeah tried that - it offers two screen sizes - 640x512, and 320x240 - refresh only offers 60Hz.. I did have a similar problem with Ubuntu Hoary - think a google will fix it (I suspect your on the right track with the xorg.conf file... if remembery serves..)
[11:47] <neoncode> hussam: You work for them?
[11:48] <ZipKDE> neon : thats the newest version - apologies for the XP *spit* reference... Im so ashamed :(
[11:48] <hussam> neoncode: Yes, I'm a spy for Microsoft sent to check what is happening in the Linux world
[11:48] <hussam> neoncode: No, I'm just kidding
[11:48] <crimsun> MS has a lot of Linux users
[11:48] <neoncode> hussam: *stops sharpening axe* aww..
[11:49] <ZipKDE> hussam: think microsoft will be kacking themselves the way k|ubuntu is taking off
[11:49] <crimsun> even OSS developers
[11:49] <hussam> neoncode, crimsun: I'm not even a computer engineer. I'm a Civil/Structural engineer
[11:50] <crimsun> hussam: so? :-)
[11:50] <ZipKDE> I have double the shame neon - Im running XP on this machine... and... and... Im an AOLer :(
[11:50] <ZipKDE> *hides*
[11:50] <crimsun> the founder of the Gentoo distribution works for Microsoft
[11:50] <crimsun> I know several people on the IE teams that write OSS
[11:50] <neoncode> crimsun: consprisy!!!
[11:50] <hussam> crimsun: so I'm not sure I can be of any use to MS
[11:51] <crimsun> hussam: of course you can/are
[11:51] <hussam> crimsun: how ?
[11:51] <neoncode> don't worry
[11:51] <crimsun> a software company cannot be comprised of solely software engineers
[11:51] <ZipKDE> thanks neon :)
[11:52] <neoncode> for me swiching from Windoze to linux was in impulse desicion. I dissliked all this DRM crap... so I swiched.. simple...
[11:53] <ZipKDE> I phoned AOL when switching to Ubuntu on my other PC to ask how to make a BT Voyager work with Ubuntu... "Does Ubuntu run in XP?" "No its an OS".. "Is it XP compatible?" "No - its totally seperate" "Have you installed Service pack 2" "What in Ubuntu?"  Linux seems to have come a long way very quickly
[11:55] <neoncode> crimsun: Oh sorry..
[11:55] <_micah> still some problems with hw compatability I find
[11:56] <_micah> like m-audio stuff
[11:56] <ZipKDE> OK another newbie question O:-)... I've switched to Kubuntu Breezy from Ubuntu Hoary... where is Synaptic?
[11:56] <hussam> ZipKDE: by the way, try using the vesa driver instead of glide2 and see if you can get to a higer resolution
[11:57] <ZipKDE> hussam: cheers - i'll give that a go :)
[11:57] <ZipKDE> re synaptic.. think Ive sussed it.. I have to install it using Adept right.?
[11:57] <_micah> I'm lost on getting OSS running, I've managed to disable ALSA from loading, any ideas?
[11:58] <hussam> ZipKDE: that's under Section "Device" in xorg.conf
[11:59] <crimsun> _micah: which M-Audio?
[11:59] <ZipKDE> thanks hussam :)
[11:59] <crimsun> _micah: I have a Delta 1010LT and a Transit USB that both work just fine
[11:59] <_micah> revolution 5.1
[12:00] <crimsun> that should work fine with ice1724
[12:00] <_micah> thats what I thought
[12:00] <_micah> no audio though :(
[12:01] <crimsun> meaning /proc/asound/cards reports no soundcards, or you just can't hear anything?
[12:02] <_micah> it reports my other card
[12:02] <_micah> not my rev
[12:02] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^snd_ice1724