[10:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:28] <df> Winamp not Running
[10:28] <chuckyp> df, ?
[10:28] <Bubbadood> I was moving files temporarily using the USB port on my NAS .. and now I'm paying the price
[10:28] <joe_t> hi. Ive not long updated to EdgyEftBeta semi painlessly. My CDRW/DVDRW drive on my laptop is now not recognised. Looking at dmesg showed ide1 is not getting searched. To fix this am I best d/ling a vanilla kernel and recompiling? Current kernel version is 2.6.17-10-generic. Any help would be great thanks!
[10:28] <fraggsta> Has something broken direct rendering for nvidia cards in edgy today?  Because it just stopped working for me.
[10:28] <chuckyp> df, did you check out xmms if you are used to winamp you might find it more your style.
[10:28] <LjL> !edgy > joe_t
[10:29] <chuckyp> !edgy > joe_t
[10:29] <nolimitsoya__> Bubbadood, raid is not a backup. :) only a way to get online quickly, in the event of disk failure
[10:29] <chuckyp> LjL, arghhh beatme
[10:29] <joe_t> cheers
[10:29] <rambo3> joe_t, falling back to older kernel ?
[10:29] <elfranger> I have an 80MB mysql file that is a backup from my server. I have transferred the file to the new server, how may I best import it?
[10:29] <Outerlimit> I just made my parition bigger by first using ghost 4 linux to do a raw backup of my current one, deleting the current partition and making a new one out of all the freespace, using ghost 4 linux to do a raw restore of my data.  Everything is working fine, However linux does not see the new free space... it only thinks i have ~1.9gigs.  I am using ext3 file system.  I tried doing a fsck.ext3 /dev/sda3 and tune2js -f /dev/sda3 from a live Ubun
[10:29] <Outerlimit> tu disk.  it just told me the device already has a journal.  Any suggestions?
[10:30] <joe_t> no kernel starts fine, just no cd/dvd modules loaded infact no /dev/hdb
[10:30] <Bubbadood> well for storage purposes the RAID 5 is ok for us .. but you are right I have about 30 DVD9 blanks ... time to start using them!
[10:30] <joe_t> rambo3: ^^
[10:30] <Ninja562> Hello, what is the apt-get switch to fix broken packages?
[10:30] <SB|nblracer> pike_ or any one elese, how can i delete a partiotion
[10:30] <yokobr> hi guys
[10:30] <elfranger> man apt-get
[10:30] <SB|nblracer> Fdisk says unable to open
[10:30] <yokobr> got a big problem here...
[10:31] <chuckyp> !ask > yokobr
[10:31] <ianmacgregor> sudo apt-get -f
[10:31] <theine> Hi, where should I go for Edgy support?
[10:31] <LjL> !edgy
[10:31] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:31] <Jowi> crimsun, found this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/45841 but it's not assigned to anyone
[10:31] <yokobr> i spend much time on it and it cant be solved
[10:31] <eedge> Hey, simple question: can someone forward me a clean sources.list for edgy...
[10:31] <theine> Cheers
[10:31] <b08y> does anyone know, how to paste ascii symblos in gtk interface, like u do with ctrl+alt+126 in windows
[10:31] <chuckyp> !edgy > eedge
[10:31] <yokobr> my k6 doesnt boot.....its a sis 530 pcchips mobo
[10:31] <ianmacgregor> eedge: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:32] <eedge> Opps, thanks chuckyp :)
[10:32] <yokobr> and it just boots from my hd..
[10:32] <Ninja562> -f, thanks
[10:32] <yokobr> so i cant install a new os in there
[10:32] <eedge> even better ianmacgregor, thanks a bundle.
[10:32] <Jowi> crimsun, unfortunatley I have not be able to get sound at all and have no usb sound device to test with (internal speaker + normal headphones only)
[10:32] <ianmacgregor> eedge: I just looked and that source-o-matic page doesn't have a selection for edgy :(
[10:32] <benlake> anyone have any working knowledge of mdadm?
[10:33] <chuckyp> yokobr, what are you saying you can boot to cd?  and you want to install ubuntu?
[10:33] <dark_light> yokobr, you can install a new os booting by HD
[10:33] <eedge> Not it doesn't, thanks anyway :)
[10:33] <ianmacgregor> You're welcome :)
[10:33] <zOrK> I need tcltls to install amsn, which packages should I apt-get?
[10:33] <chuckyp> eedge, people will be able to help you in #ubuntu+1
[10:33] <rambo3> Jowi what module is it using
[10:33] <ianmacgregor> eedge: I bet it will have it after the 28th :)
[10:34] <chuckyp> zOrK, isn't amsn in the repos?
[10:34] <chuckyp> !amsn
[10:34] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[10:34] <chuckyp> zOrK, yeah just enable universe and sudo aptitude install amsn   it will install the dependencies for you.
[10:34] <zOrK> nop chuckyp..
[10:34] <zOrK> is not :(
[10:34] <pontusen> heya. I have a problem with firefox. When i browse with one resolution(1280x1024) firefox won't show sites normal, the text is disorientated. When i higher the resolution everything works as normal. please help me!?
[10:34] <chuckyp> zOrK, you need to enable the universe repo
[10:34] <SB|nblracer> why wehen i do fdisk /dev/hda it syas unable to open
[10:35] <zOrK> ok SR
[10:35] <zOrK> got ti
[10:35] <chuckyp> !repos > zOrK
[10:35] <sobersabre> hi, guys. when is planned the next 6.10 release ?
[10:35] <chuckyp> !edgy > sobersabre
[10:35] <zOrK> ubotu!, lol, very creative.
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol, very creative. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <nolimitsoya___> Bubbadood, hows your recovery going? :)
[10:35] <GhostFreeman> !xfce
[10:35] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <zOrK> thanks again chuckyp
[10:36] <chuckyp> np
[10:36] <Newbi8> How do I uninstall a program??I'm really trying to get rid of Frostwire
[10:36] <Outerlimit> !edgy > outerlimit
[10:36] <pontusen> I have a problem with firefox. When i browse with one resolution(1280x1024) firefox won't show sites normal, the text is disorientated. When i higher the resolution everything works as normal. please help me!?
[10:36] <chuckyp> Newbi8, sudo aptitude remove frostwire
[10:36] <chuckyp> Newbi8, or if you used apt-get sudo apt-get remove frostwire
[10:37] <rambo3> !channel doesn't  support automatix
[10:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about channel doesn't  support automatix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:37] <yokobr> anyone knows a alternative good, clean and beaultiful wm?
[10:37] <sladen> anto9us: XFCE?
[10:37] <chuckyp> !xfce > yokobr
[10:37] <kmaynard> yokobr, kde, gnome, xfce4, fluxbox, windowmaker...
[10:37] <Outerlimit> !partitions > outerlimit
[10:37] <Outerlimit> !ext3 > outerlimit
[10:38] <ianmacgregor> Outerlimit: You can /query ubotu  and do your searching in another tab :)
[10:38] <Newbi8> chuckyp:Thanks again!:)
[10:38] <Outerlimit> hehe, thanks
[10:38] <kmaynard> i see Outerlimit is doing his homework :)
[10:38] <chuckyp> thats good
[10:38] <chuckyp> Newbi8, np
[10:38] <kmaynard> thats awseome
[10:38] <Outerlimit> hah, yeah im trying to find my answer...
[10:38] <kmaynard> awesome*
[10:38] <ianmacgregor> Outerlimit: I wouldn't normally say anthing but this channel is often busy :)
[10:38] <tech__> Hi all.  New to X-Chat and looks good for what I need it.  How can I change my PC name for remote connection?
[10:39] <Jowi> rambo3, sorry was away for a second. what module does what use? the soundcard?
[10:39] <kmaynard> 90% of the time in here its, "can yu teach me ssh?!"
[10:39] <kmaynard> or whatever
[10:39] <asmo674hurt> how to change splash image?
[10:39] <Outerlimit> ianmacgregor, thats fine.  i know it is, and definatly understand.  I assume that was the purpose of the > :)
[10:39] <chuckyp> usually people don't even try they don't even google or anything they just ask in here.  Then when I google and see the first response would have helped them I can only shake my head.
[10:39] <nolimitsoya> sry, dropped out. hows it going Bubbadood?
[10:39] <rambo3> Jowi, yes
[10:39] <tech__> I get a localostname:0 and cannot seem to change it.
[10:40] <kmaynard> chuckyp wins #ubuntu for the day
[10:40] <chuckyp> lol
[10:40] <Outerlimit> alright, i am having no luck...
[10:40] <Outerlimit> I just made my parition bigger by first using ghost 4 linux to do a raw backup of my current one, deleting the current partition and making a new one out of all the freespace, using ghost 4 linux to do a raw restore of my data.  Everything is working fine, However linux does not see the new free space... it only thinks i have ~1.9gigs.  I am using ext3 file system.  I tried doing a fsck.ext3 /dev/sda3 and tune2js -f /dev/sda3 from a live Ubun
[10:40] <Outerlimit> tu disk.  it just told me the device already has a journal.  Any suggestions?
[10:40] <Outerlimit> i was thinking mabye i need to reset thge journal
[10:40] <xav> chuckyp, but you have google skillz
[10:40] <Outerlimit> or scan the drive again, or something...
[10:40] <chuckyp> Dunno where to begin on that one Outerlimit
[10:41] <ianmacgregor> Outerlimit: What's the actual problem?
[10:41] <gl0be> Hello,  Can somebody help me remember the command to reconfigure xserver?
[10:41] <Jowi> rambo3, "snd 60004 6 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer"
[10:41] <sobersabre> dpkg-reconfigure
[10:41] <asmo674hurt> how to change splash image whic shows after login screen???
[10:41] <Outerlimit> ianmacgregor, linux says it is using up more space than it actually is
[10:41] <chuckyp> gl0be, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:41] <kitche> !hostname > tech__
[10:41] <Outerlimit> i should have about 20 gigs of freespace
[10:41] <Outerlimit> it says i only have ~2gig
[10:41] <ianmacgregor> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:41] <ClayG> anyone here try kratom 2.0
[10:41] <ClayG> ?
[10:41] <gl0be> chuckyp: thanks
[10:41] <Gobfrey> chuckyp: no luck! :(  I think it should be [ map (hd0) (hd1) \n map (hd1) (hd0) \n rootnoverify (hd1,0) \n makeactive \n chainloader +1 \n boot ] , but that doesn't work.  It give me an "unsupported executable" error message
[10:41] <chuckyp> !anyone > ClayG
[10:42] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, ghost 4 linux? have you looked at the partition in gparted or cfdisk to see if it's reporting correctly?
[10:42] <Outerlimit> The original partition size was 19, now it is about 47
[10:42] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, it is reporting correctly
[10:42] <chuckyp> Gobfrey, hrm... perhaps some of the grub experts lurking around will know more.  or if there is a #grub channel dunno
[10:42] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, how are you getting your numbers?
[10:42] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, gparted
[10:42] <Gobfrey> chukyp: ah, so there is.  Thanks.
[10:43] <chuckyp> Adios everyone
[10:43] <kitche> Gobfrey: ask in #grub but make sure that you format that map stuff right since that looks horrible when you ask it
[10:43] <Bubbadood> it applied some changes no
[10:43] <Bubbadood> it applied some changes nolimitsoya
[10:43] <maccam94> is there an active edgy channel?
[10:43] <LjL> !edgy > maccam94
[10:43] <kitche> maccam94: #ubuntu+1
[10:43] <ianmacgregor> maccam94: #ubuntu+1
[10:43] <nolimitsoya> good :) get any files back in a useable state?
[10:43] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, Gparted says current partition size is 41.93 and that 39.82 of that is in use.  Which is impossible because my previous partition was 19 gigs.
[10:43] <eedge> Was just typing it, and got beaten by 3 people.
[10:43] <ClayG> uh ok, lol is kratom 2.0 good?
[10:43] <eedge> #ubuntu+1 that is.
[10:44] <Bubbadood> telling me to mount and then unmount before attemting to use the repair utility again
[10:44] <ClayG> dn
[10:44] <Bubbadood> shoudl I bother doing that or just throw it back on my NAS
[10:44] <|tom|> test
[10:44] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, go to a terminal and try  df -h
[10:44] <nolimitsoya> Bubbadood, use umount to unmount
[10:44] <Bubbadood> its not mounted
[10:44] <josh_> where do i change my computers "workgroup"?
[10:44] <nolimitsoya> Bubbadood, ah ok
[10:44] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, /dev/sda3              19G   17G  1.2G  94% /
[10:44] <ClayG> who designed ubotu?
[10:45] <Outerlimit> osnaps
[10:45] <josh_> it stuck me in workgroup and my network uses mshome
[10:45] <nolimitsoya> well, mount it, and see what gives :)
[10:45] <ClayG> as far as made his/her respsonses
[10:45] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, I forgot, i did notice that before.
[10:45] <rambo3> Jowi,  sometimes you can add option in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base <- make your own copy from alsa and see option in terminal buy typing: modinfo snd_hda_intel
[10:45] <Bubbadood> mount /dev/sda1 /testing
[10:45] <Bubbadood> is that the command i forget
[10:45] <sureshot> hey all i know this is off topic but the aiglx channal seems to be vacant so can someone answer this questio...i need to know what kind of compatablity the ati mobility x600 xe has for aiglx
[10:45] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, it seems to me that ext3 or linux is not realising there is now more freespace than before
[10:45] <k31th> Im trying to make a script how do i get it to take an input after the script like what passwd would do E.G  changepasswd.sh username newpasswd
[10:45] <josh_> anyone?
[10:45] <kmaynard> huh
[10:45] <nolimitsoya> Bubbadood, sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t xfs /home/bubbadood/thefolderijustcreated :)
[10:46] <LjL> ClayG, ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:46] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, that's odd...i've copied over entire partitions before, and it just worked...
[10:46] <Bubbadood> thank you
[10:46] <Outerlimit> Hmmm
[10:46] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, it seems that the image recreated your old partition...?
[10:46] <Jowi> rambo3, gonna look into that
[10:46] <josh_> anyone know the answer?
[10:46] <rambo3> Jowi, you can test what works buy unloading and loading module :sudo  rmmod snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel position_fix=1
[10:47] <ClayG> LjL, I'm doing that now
[10:47] <gl0be> how can I enable remote ssh into my box from command line (no xserv)
[10:47] <uter> hi i habe a question about winTv
[10:47] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, not sure.... when i look in GParted it tells me that the partition is 41.93gigs, with no freespace
[10:47] <josh_> globe "ssh user@host"
[10:47] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, worst case scenarion, backup all of /home and reinstall... works like a charm, and all your settings are instact
[10:47] <Jowi> rambo3, is that before making any changes to alsa-base or after?
[10:47] <josh_> how do i change my workgroup?
[10:47] <kmaynard> scenario! d$$$%^^ i cant type today
[10:47] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, i may do that...
[10:48] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, i keep /home on a seperate partition, so reinstalls are trivial
[10:48] <kmaynard> other than the time...
[10:48] <rambo3> Jowi, thats just temporery untill you reboot. if you want changes permanent then edit alsa-base
[10:48] <Draucon> when is edgy supposed to come out?
[10:48] <nolimitsoya> Outerlimit, are you sure you are running the latest version of gparted?
[10:48] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, i wanted to not have to reinstall all the packages agian though.... Is there a way to make a list of packages i have installed?
[10:48] <Jowi> rambo3, ah. hang
[10:48] <gl0be> josh_: thanks.  but I mean to enable ssh'ing into the box I am at currently...or is it enabled by default?
[10:48] <apecat> gl0be: you need to install openssh-server
[10:48] <nolimitsoya> and have you rescanned the drives?
[10:48] <kmaynard> Outerlimit, i feel ya
[10:48] <gl0be> apecat: apt-get?
[10:48] <Outerlimit> kmaynard, i didn't go with seperate partitions cuz i had no idea of what sizes to make :(
[10:48] <apecat> gl0be: yup, apt-get install openssh-server
[10:48] <nolimitsoya> Bubbadood, what gives :)
[10:48] <Outerlimit> nolimitsoya, i am fairly certain... i can run an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade if u'd like
[10:48] <nolimitsoya> Outerlimit, about 5gb for /, and the rest for /home
[10:49] <Outerlimit> qtparted shows the same info
[10:49] <Jowi> rambo3, module snd_hda_intel is in use. can't remove it
[10:49] <Outerlimit> nolimitsoya, that will be enough for all the aps i will install and everything?  i thought /usr/bin grew farily large.
[10:49] <Ninja562> That Synaptic package manager is slick!
[10:49] <nolimitsoya> Outerlimit, did you commit the changes you did on the live gparted, or did you forget?
[10:49] <Outerlimit> nolimitsoya, i commited them.
[10:49] <gl0be> apecat: okay, thanks.  Is that configurabel from the term?
[10:49] <nolimitsoya> Outerlimit, an apt-get clean one in a while will sort you out. :)
[10:50] <rambo3> Jowi, stop alsa first
[10:50] <ianmacgregor> Outerlimit: Did you install everything using sunaptic?
[10:50] <bulmer> apecat: umm sshd is not installed as part of installation?
[10:50] <apecat> bulmer: hmm don't think so
[10:50] <nolimitsoya> Outerlimit, then do the whole thing over, and see what happens :)
[10:50] <ianmacgregor> bulmer: No, you'll have to install it
[10:50] <apecat> gl0be: yes, take a look in /etc/ssh
[10:50] <bulmer> ahh okay..thanks
[10:50] <cr3> how can I enable X connections to my machine?
[10:50] <Outerlimit> ianmacgregor, somethings i installed using apt-get in the terminal and others using synaptic.
[10:51] <nolimitsoya> oh, and Outerlimit are you using a filesystem that supports shrinking?
[10:51] <Outerlimit> nolimitsoya, i am using ext3
[10:51] <Jowi> rambo3, alsa stopped, same error
[10:51] <apecat> gl0be: the file /etc/ssh/sshd_config that is, but the ssh server should be up and running directly after install
[10:51] <constricted> what are some good pachages like easyubuntu? (or a website with popular massinstall pagages)
[10:51] <Outerlimit> nolimitsoya, thats why i thought making it reload its journal (or whatever it can do...) would fix the problem.
[10:51] <ianmacgregor> Outerlimit: For the stuff you installed with synaptic, have a look at the files in /root/.synaptic/log. you can see them with: gksudo nautilus
[10:51] <kitche> cr3: you want full gui or just programs? for X connections
[10:51] <apecat> constricted: automatix
[10:51] <Bubbadood> sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t xfs /home
[10:51] <cr3> kitche: just programs for X connections
[10:52] <nolimitsoya> Bubbadood, no, thats not right :)
[10:52] <nolimitsoya> that will brake things
[10:52] <Bubbadood> .. /dev/sda1 : Cannot find superblock
[10:52] <nolimitsoya> make a folder in you home, and mount there
[10:52] <kitche> cr3: set up sshd and you will have to edit certain lines in it's configuration
[10:52] <Bubbadood> yeah sorry I did
[10:52] <Bubbadood> sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t xfs /home/please
[10:52] <Bubbadood> .. /dev/sda1 : Cannot find superblock
[10:52] <cr3> kitche: there's more than x forwarding, I think, don't I need to configure my X server as well to allow network connections?
[10:52] <nolimitsoya> ok, and do you get any readable data?
[10:53] <nolimitsoya> ok, do the recovery again
[10:53] <nolimitsoya> unmount first :)
[10:53] <tech__> for some reason my hostname has changed and to permanently change it I must be root.  How can I become root?
[10:53] <rambo3> Jowi, try it in sudo -i
[10:53] <Bubbadood> ok
[10:53] <lupine_85> tech__: with difficulty ;)
[10:53] <kitche> cr3: nope since X is already setup to do that
[10:53] <lupine_85> rebooting into recovery mode would work
[10:53] <constricted> ah ok thanx
[10:53] <nolimitsoya> and Bubbadood, when you mount, try doing it read only :)
[10:53] <Jowi> rambo3, no go
[10:53] <nolimitsoya> i think adding a -rw after the -t xfs should do the trick
[10:54] <rambo3> then edit alsabase or ask someone who know why its not unloading
[10:54] <nolimitsoya> *sry, -ro
[10:54] <Jowi> never had problems removing a module before
[10:54] <tech__> Lets do it!
[10:54] <woland_> hi. can anyone help with ipsec (esp/manual keying/transport mode) using setkey?
[10:54] <Jowi> k rambo3 thanks for the pointers, much appreciated
[10:54] <apecat> constricted: for more specific help, look here http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation#Installing_Automatix2_with_Apt
[10:54] <lupine_85> tech__: as in, you would have needed to set a root password while sudo was working...
[10:54] <lupine_85> as it is, your only option is to reboot
[10:54] <lupine_85> which is really, really, really stupid
[10:55] <constricted> thanks
[10:55] <kitche> jowi: you can't remove the sound module sicne if X is up probably your window manager sound daemon is running
[10:55] <tech__> Do you mean to say tha, I would I have to re-install?
[10:55] <adamantas> I like to beat women
[10:56] <LjL> tech__: no you don't. he said reboot. reboot into recovery mode, and you'll have root there
[10:56] <kitche> tech__: use sudo or gtksudo
[10:56] <kitche> opps gksudo that is :)
[10:56] <nolimitsoya> tech__, you can always fire up a live system and do all the editing from there, if things are realy screwed up
[10:56] <gl0be> apecat: thanks for the tips
[10:57] <Jowi> kitche, no sound deamon should be running. will leave xorg to test. brb
[10:57] <apecat> gl0be: np :)
[10:58] <gl0be> apecat: yes indeed, it appears to be working.
[10:58] <apecat> okays
[10:58] <gl0be> thanks alot
[10:58] <uter> hi can somebody helps me with my tv-card ? i got in dmesg only wirred informations ;)
[10:58] <tech__> Oh!  Linux is all new to me and must play the Admin role, so my terminology is scarce.  Thanks.
[10:59] <nolimitsoya> tech__, a live system is what you get when you boot the install cd, without installing to disc
[10:59] <nolimitsoya> from there you can mount you harddrives, and change whatever you want :)
[10:59] <constricted> Unpacking automatix2 (from .../automatix2_1.0-1.9-6.06dapper%5fi386_i386.deb) ...
[10:59] <constricted> Setting up automatix2 (1.0-1.9-6.06dapper_i386) ...
[10:59] <constricted> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed
[11:00] <elfranger> I have moved from a slackware server to an ubuntu server... when launching the sites, all norwegian characters are screwed... got any idea where I need to fix?
[11:00] <tech__> So, if I reboot this machine I'm working on and go live, I can then become root and....
[11:00] <constricted> huh?
[11:00] <sheriff> what r the diferrences between desktop cd and alternate cd?
[11:01] <kitche> sheriff: desktop cd is like a live cd where alternate cd is how debian install is
[11:01] <nolimitsoya> sheriff, alternate is a textmode installer, desktop is a fully working live cd
[11:01] <ianmacgregor> sheriff: Alternate CD has a text-base installer, desktop has gui
[11:01] <totaka> Hi, I use vi, it automatically put "#" if I type "#" in previous line. Can anybody teach me how to disable this?
[11:01] <Bubbadood> when I got the superblock error .. it never atually mounted
[11:01] <Bubbadood> actually
[11:01] <sheriff> well then i wanna install it to my system so i have to download alternate one?
[11:01] <Bubbadood> so there is nothing to unmount
[11:01] <nolimitsoya> ok :)
[11:02] <apecat> sheriff: the desktop cd is going to be *slow* to use for install with less than 256 megabytes of RAM
[11:02] <ianmacgregor> sheriff: Desktop CD has a gui installer, but I don't know how reliable it is
[11:02] <LjL> !alternate
[11:02] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-installation CD, with no live session. Use this if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an expert install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:02] <cyfr> Hello can anyone help me? I dont understand how to install the icon theme here: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38433725/ dragging it in to theme manager says 'invalid file format'
[11:02] <apecat> ianmacgregor: sheriff the desktop cd has a perfectly reliable installer. its painfully slow to boot and use though
[11:03] <ianmacgregor> apecat: Ahh, thanks for the info
[11:03] <constricted> when i try to use automatrix it says to close other package managers first, but i have none open
[11:03] <ianmacgregor> I haven't ever used it
[11:03] <nolimitsoya> also, if there is any need for advanced options or lvm, the desktopis a nogo
[11:03] <kmaynard> i prefer the alternate cd
[11:03] <ianmacgregor> constricted: automatix is not supported in here
[11:03] <sheriff> ubotu: i tried to boot it but there r some choises to select and i select the first one to install but it didnt start i mean it always gave IO error
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i tried to boot it but there r some choises to select and i select the first one to install but it didnt start i mean it always gave IO error - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <apecat> ianmacgregor: yeah, i'm not using it either. it's ppretty wacky to provide only the desktop installer on the cds that u ship to people, i mean lots of people will want to install on old slow computers
[11:04] <LjL> sheriff: ubotu is not a human being.
[11:04] <ianmacgregor> apecat: Good point
[11:04] <apecat> *that they ship
[11:04] <ianmacgregor> sheriff: ubotu is a bot
[11:04] <kitche> Totakasheriff: probably a bad media
[11:04] <LjL> sheriff: use the Desktop CD to install Ubuntu, unless you have compelling reasons to do otherwise.
[11:05] <sheriff> LjL : but it didnt start i mean i selected the first choise
[11:05] <sheriff> but it gave an error
[11:05] <LjL> sheriff: what error
[11:05] <lupine_85> Use the alt-install CD unless you can't cope without a pretty GUI ;)
[11:05] <apecat> sheriff: how much memory do you have?
[11:05] <sheriff> it tired to mount my hard drives on hda
[11:05] <sheriff> 2 giga
[11:06] <apecat> ok
[11:06] <LjL> sheriff: what was the error message
[11:06] <sheriff> LjL : it was like it couldnt mount hda but im gonna install it sda
[11:07] <sheriff> in d
[11:07] <sheriff> sda
[11:07] <LjL> sheriff: wait a moment, was the actual Live CD that failed to load, or just the installer failed?
[11:08] <sheriff> LjL: the first choise was Try to install or boot ubuntu and i selected it
[11:08] <SB|nblracer> i think libux hats me
[11:08] <LjL> sheriff: yes. and then you got an error?
[11:08] <SB|nblracer> it wont let me oppen my secound harddrive
[11:08] <Simian__> .
[11:08] <sheriff> LjL: yes it tried to mount hda but i dony have any drive on Hda
[11:08] <LjL> !ntfs > SB|nblracer
[11:09] <sheriff> LjL: is that the command?
[11:09] <SB|nblracer> LjL it is not ntfs
[11:09] <SB|nblracer> it ext3
[11:09] <SB|nblracer> it from a previous installl
[11:09] <LjL> SB|nblracer: and what happens when you try to mount it
[11:09] <SB|nblracer> that i dont need
[11:10] <abel> h
[11:10] <SB|nblracer> it mounts fine
[11:10] <SB|nblracer> i also tryed
[11:10] <SB|nblracer> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M
[11:10] <LjL> sheriff: no. i don't know what your problem is. perhaps if you could write down the exact error message, we could google it a little. but right now i have no clue
[11:10] <SB|nblracer> i mean hdb!!!
[11:11] <LjL> SB|nblracer: so, "fdisk /dev/hdb" results in an error?
[11:11] <karel> i cant use lvm on a fresh edgy install, i get:  vgscan
[11:11] <karel> No program "vgscan" found for your current version of LVM
[11:11] <karel> what can i do?
[11:11] <sheriff> LjL: i'll install ubuntu to sda but it tried to mount hda but i dont have any hda drive
[11:11] <karel> is LVM broken in egdy?
[11:11] <javiolo> !skype
[11:11] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:11] <SB|nblracer> LjL yes, says unable to open
[11:11] <poll> !ADDON
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ADDON - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <LjL> sheriff: i understood that.
[11:12] <sheriff> ok i'll write the error
[11:12] <LjL> SB|nblracer: well, of course you'd have to be root for that to work. are you?
[11:12] <poll> !list
[11:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:12] <SB|nblracer> how do i know if im in root LjL
[11:12] <karel> anyone using LVM on edgy?
[11:12] <LjL> SB|nblracer: the right command to type is "sudo fdisk /dev/hdb"
[11:12] <LjL> !root > SB|nblracer
[11:13] <SB|nblracer> i tryed to login as root but wont let me
[11:13] <SB|nblracer> what is sudo?
[11:13] <LjL> SB|nblracer: and, besides, perhaps you could use "sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb" instead, i find that more user friendly
[11:13] <LjL> SB|nblracer: the bot just told you
[11:13] <miL^eZ> hi sorry my english level but Im from France, How I can download music from www.goear.com
[11:13] <miL^eZ> Im trying but I dont found download button
[11:13] <SB|nblracer> cfdisk did not work, but i will try thgis sudo
[11:13] <kitche> miL^eZ umm you'll get the same anwser as you did in #gentoo
[11:13] <LjL> miL^eZ: is this an Ubuntu related question?
[11:14] <miL^eZ> kitche
[11:14] <miL^eZ> yes but they said me to make questio
[11:14] <LjL> SB|nblracer, sudo is simply the command you use in Ubuntu to do things as root. please read the bot-provided document. it's an important thing to know.
[11:14] <leakd>  n8
[11:14] <kitche> LjL: no it's not he asked the samething in #gentoo
[11:14] <miL^eZ> on france channel
[11:14] <miL^eZ> but
[11:14] <miL^eZ> anyone can answer
[11:14] <miL^eZ> my question
[11:14] <miL^eZ> and is very important
[11:14] <LjL> miL^eZ: no. not here, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic if you really want to ask it
[11:14] <Jowi> kitche, crimsun and (who else helped? forgot the nick): I just discovered that I do have sound. got it in console mode with mp3blaster so I tried it in Xorg and it works there to. installed xmms - no sound. configured the alsa output so it pointed to correct hardware and now I have sound there as well. just the gnome apps that is lacking it seems. must be a setting in gconf-editor somewhere...
[11:14] <LjL> this is strictly a support channel for Ubuntu
[11:15] <miL^eZ> pleeeassssseeeeee
[11:15] <miL^eZ> :((((((((
[11:15] <LjL> miL^eZ: for the last time: no.
[11:15] <ago> hi all
[11:15] <kitche> Jowi: yeah they might be using OSS but you can use aoss for them
[11:15] <asmo674hurt> how to run GConf (not in terminal)
[11:15] <ago> I installed python-xlib under edgy, but I am not able to use the module from python. Am I missing something?
[11:15] <LjL> asmo674hurt: the editor you mean? i think it's there in Preferences / Administration
[11:16] <Jowi> kitche, can't find the sound output-sink anymore in gnome. must have moved the setting somewhere (they always hide the useful stuff in new versions)
[11:16] <peladillas> #guadalines
[11:16] <LjL> peladillas: you should type "/join #channelname" to join a channel
[11:17] <yokobr> anyone knows an OS or distro that boots from disket?
[11:17] <LjL> yokobr: you mean floppy disk?
[11:17] <peladillas> #guadalinex
[11:18] <LjL> peladillas: did you hear me?
[11:18] <root__> crap... my ubuntu is all kinds of screwed up now
[11:18] <bretticus> yokobr:tomsbrt
[11:18] <peladillas> como puedo conectar con el chat de guadalinex
[11:18] <kitche> yokobr: yeah there is one that can the name escapes me at the moment
[11:18] <root__> i tried installing nfs and nis on my box eariler today... now my user administration app wont load the users...
[11:18] <LjL> peladillas: escribe /join #guadalinex
[11:18] <POVaddct> yokobr: tomsrtbt
[11:18] <root__> nevermind, ill use gnome
[11:19] <talisein> GNOME = <3
[11:19] <asmo674hurt> LjL, i can't find here
[11:19] <nitroxide> yo
[11:19] <SUSaiyan> gnome is icecream?
[11:19] <LjL> asmo674hurt: well, i use KDE, so perhaps i just remember wrong. anyway, from the terminal you can type "gconf-editor" to load it up... i know you asked to avoid the terminal
[11:19] <nitroxide> is somebody knows how to disable some module auto modprobe at startup ?
[11:20] <kitche> nitroxide: blacklist it
[11:20] <kitche> !blacklist
[11:20] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[11:20] <talisein> oh neat.
[11:20] <talisein> I just edit /etc/modules
[11:20] <nitroxide> kitche: i've already did it and it was not working
[11:20] <asmo674hurt> LjL, ok! thx
[11:20] <SUSaiyan> also, is it just me or does the services gui thing kill the rc system?
[11:20] <nitroxide> talisein: and add what to not load a module ?? :p
[11:20] <holler> does anybody know how to log or view logs of logins/logouts ??
[11:21] <talisein> nitroxide: just put a # before the word that has the module
[11:21] <bretticus> yokobr: damn small linux may boot from mulitple diskettes
[11:21] <nitroxide> kitche: lemme try with "my_blaclist"
[11:21] <talisein> if its listed there
[11:21] <LjL> holler: tail /var/log/auth.log
[11:21] <nitroxide> talisein: it's not listed, it's loaded from anothe rplace
[11:21] <talisein> ah
[11:21] <nitroxide> :)
[11:21] <talisein> which module?
[11:21] <holler> LjL: thanks, i will try that out
[11:21] <physicsnick> heya
[11:21] <nitroxide> usbcore
[11:22] <physicsnick> did anyone else's konsole fonts change after the last upgrade?
[11:22] <nitroxide> and all usb modules
[11:22] <talisein> holler: /var/log/auth.log
[11:22] <Jowi> !sound -> jowi
[11:22] <nitroxide> it takes too much power on my laptop
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sound - - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <kitche> Jowi: what are you using gnome I take it?
[11:22] <skeff> can I downgrade my Openoffice.org version ?
[11:22] <physicsnick> oops, nevermind, wrong channel
[11:22] <LjL> holler: you could probably type "cat /var/log/auth.log | grep gdm" if you only want to see logins made using GDM (i.e. the graphical login screen)
[11:22] <nitroxide> reboot, brb
[11:23] <Jowi> kitche, fresh dapper install so yeah
[11:23] <pontusen> I have a problem with firefox. When i browse with one resolution(1280x1024) firefox won't show sites normal, the text is disorientated. When i higher the resolution everything works as normal. please help me!?
[11:23] <talisein> skeff: man aptitude and look at "forbid-version"
[11:23] <Jowi> kitche, normally not using gnome but did not want to poke around too much until I got everything working properly
[11:24] <kitche> !esd
[11:24] <ubotu> esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[11:24] <kitche> !alsa
[11:24] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> pontusen: try fiddling with font settings in Firefox under Edit --> Preferences
[11:25] <nyk2005> I hav an AP which works in gentoo, but not in ubuntu. its a wirelss ap and dhcp does work on the laptop but not in the ubuntu pc. the key is set same on both.
[11:25] <kitche> there you go Jowi even though esd isn't really deprecated
[11:25] <nyk2005> what could it be?
[11:25] <Jowi> kitche, haven't used esd since I first tried it. first thing to go :)
[11:25] <LjL> kitche: yeah, that factoid doesn't seem very useful, also given that one normally doesn't even know he's "using" esd
[11:25] <kitche> nyk2005: is your essid set up right?
[11:26] <nyk2005> ubuntu sys uses netgear wg311T
[11:26] <nyk2005> yes.
[11:26] <kupesoft> how do i find out which tty is a modem (re: hylafax)
[11:26] <nyk2005> same on both, all th
[11:26] <nyk2005> e iwconfig
[11:26] <cyfr> Hello can anyone help me? I dont understand how to install the icon theme here: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/38433725/ dragging it in to theme manager says 'invalid file format'
[11:27] <Jowi> kitche, hmmm "System > Preferences > Multimedia Systems Selector" does not exist here.
[11:27] <Newbi8> I've installed dc++ but it doesn't seem to be working..Hmm..What to do??
[11:28] <talisein> What's dc++?
[11:28] <kitche> Jowi: how about volume control then going to Change device
[11:28] <holler> LjL: actually the first one works just fine, thanks =)
[11:28] <Jowi> kitche, make no difference unfortunatley
[11:29] <LjL> holler: sure, fdisk is fine, it's just that cfdisk has a kind of friendlier interface. there is also GParted by the way, which is even friendly since it's a Gnome program...
[11:30] <nyk2005> help...
[11:30] <mighty_falcon> hmmm can someone help me with amarok please, even though i add tracks to it, for egsample just now when i go to collection>added today nothing shows up
[11:30] <Genix|linux> hey guys wondering if anyone has got shockwave working in edgy
[11:30] <mighty_falcon> it only shows tracks
[11:30] <mighty_falcon> when they are in the show all
[11:30] <mighty_falcon> or say a week ago
[11:31] <javiolo> !skype
[11:31] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:31] <mighty_falcon> anyone?
[11:31] <talisein> who uses KDE? pfft. only Linus.
[11:31] <Jowi> kitche, will have to find alternative music/video players it seems. too bad, I really like rhythmbox and totem-xine
[11:32] <nyk2005> i also dont ever use kde excep t
[11:32] <kitche> Jowi: I think rhythmbox has it's own sound settings
[11:32] <talisein> wait what's wrong with rhythmbox?
[11:32] <joeCoT> hey, anyone tried compiling IceWeasel on amd64 yet?
[11:32] <cyfr> Can nobody help me install a icon set?? :(
[11:32] <nyk2005> tonce for a year
[11:32] <Jowi> talisein, can't get sound out of it
[11:32] <talisein> but you get sound out of other things?
[11:32] <lupine_85> meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:32] <lupine_85> (uses KDE)
[11:32] <LjL> cyfr: have you renamed it, like the last comment on the site suggests?
[11:33] <kitche> Jowi: I would check rythmbox preferences just to make sure it doesn't have it's own setting
[11:33] <talisein> Jowi: you get sound out of otherthings? like startup sound?
[11:33] <whyso> what the heck is iceweasel
[11:33] <talisein> iceweasel is a rebranded firefox
[11:33] <LjL> cyfr: i mean, the last comment on the first page. try following it
[11:33] <Jowi> talisein, nope, only on specified apps that is not bound to gnome like xmms and mp3blaster
[11:33] <talisein> !iceweasel
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iceweasel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <whyso> ty]
[11:34] <talisein> Jowi: Are you running Ubuntu or what?
[11:34] <Jowi> kitche, yeah, there used to be a way to specify a hardware device instead of default gnome but can't find it anymore in gconf-editor.
[11:34] <Jowi> talisein, yep
[11:34] <Jowi> talisein, dapper on a intel core duo mac mini no less :)
[11:35] <Seeker1> hi
[11:35] <Seeker1> When I run chkrootkit, it says: Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for readdir command You have     1 process hidden for ps command chkproc: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed.  What can I do?
[11:35] <cyfr> LjL i tried that, im either doing it wrong or that dosnt work. I copied the folder and it didnt appear in the theme manager icon bit
[11:35] <bluefox83> ok, my friend's X will not restart..i am trying to restart it remotely...any ideas?
[11:35] <SeanTater> Seeker1: hum-never heard of it
[11:35] <bluefox83> i have tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:35] <bluefox83> it wont start
[11:35] <POVaddct> bluefox83: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:35] <MonsieurBon> hello
[11:35] <LjL> cyfr: ok, can you type "ls ~/.theme" and paste the output on the pastebin (or here, *only if* it's just one line)
[11:36] <bluefox83> POVaddct, i did, there are no entries
[11:36] <MonsieurBon> does anybody know how i get my s-video out to work?
[11:36] <Seeker1> SeanTater: thats because you are not experienced in linux
[11:36] <POVaddct> bluefox83: the file is empty?
[11:36] <SeanTater> Seeker1: you might try installing klamav or clamav or something similar to it to try to remove it, assuming it exists
[11:36] <talisein> Jowi: goto System -> Preferences -> Sound and what do you see?
[11:36] <Seeker1> SeanTater: u new to linux obviously
[11:36] <whyso> why on earth would ubuntu make my swap file 7.5GB when i have 4GB ram?
[11:37] <SeanTater> Seeker1: not really, I've used it about 3 years
[11:37] <bluefox83> POVaddct, yes
[11:37] <cyfr> LjL ls theme gives nothing, its ment to be themes right? "buuf"
[11:37] <talisein> whyso: swap files should be a little more than the amount of ram you have
[11:37] <LjL> whyso: the default is probably to make the swap slightly twice as big as the physical RAM. that's what often recommended
[11:37] <POVaddct> bluefox83: then the X server didn't even try to start
[11:37] <bluefox83> POVaddct, yes it did..i think..
[11:37] <Jowi> talisein, a dumbed down version of what used to be useful. Enable ESD (not ticked), Play sys sounds (not ticked), Default sound card: HDA Intel (my ALSA soundcard)
[11:37] <talisein> whyso: the way suspend works is everything in ram is written to disk. So you need at least as much swap space as you have ram
[11:37] <LjL> cyfr: i'm not sure. did you type it exactly as i said? "ls ~/.theme", with the squiggle and the dot
[11:38] <POVaddct> bluefox83: maybe the filesystem is full
[11:38] <bluefox83> * Stopping GNOME Display Manager...                                     [ ok ]
[11:38] <bluefox83>  * Starting GNOME Display Manager...                                     [fail]
[11:38] <Sprattelkula> anyone else experience resolution problems with the nvidia beta driver? xorg.conf says 1440x900 for my screen.. in gnome i cant set it any higher then 1024x768
[11:38] <talisein> Jowi: yeah it looks different than I remember. My esd box is ticked, so try that.
[11:38] <nyk2005> dejavu!!
[11:38] <surreal> obconf is calling for *libobrender* i can't seem to find it, anyone got some tips?
[11:38] <kitche> whyso: you can remove that swap since you really don't need it
[11:38] <bluefox83> POVaddct, no, it's a new installation on a blank hard drive
[11:38] <cyfr> Ljl theres no such directory as theme, but there is themes
[11:38] <cyfr> .theme and .themes i mean
[11:38] <whyso> ah ok thanks
[11:38] <LjL> Sprattelkula: in xorg.conf, have you set your monitor rates to such that will enable such a high resolution? (you can run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to be guided through that)
[11:38] <talisein> Sprattelkula: are you using a television as your display device?
[11:38] <cryptonic> does anyone know if ubuntu has problems resizing ntfs partitions?
[11:38] <Jowi> talisein, only to make you happy ;)
[11:39] <kitche> cryptonic: any linux does
[11:39] <LjL> cyfr: alright, list .themes then. i'll let you know that i do *not* use gnome, and i just jumped in because i saw nobody else answering.
[11:39] <talisein> Jowi: lol. then in terminal ps -A|grep esd and see if its running
[11:39] <Sprattelkula> talisein: using a 19" widescreen tft.
[11:39] <POVaddct> bluefox83: try starting Xorg manually and see if it runs. you can terminate with ctrl-c or your friend with ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:39] <whyso> resiezed my ntf partion fine
[11:39] <cyfr> LjL all thats in the folder is "buuf"
[11:40] <bluefox83> POVaddct, my friend can't start X
[11:40] <cryptonic> might do it under windows and then, finally install ubuntu
[11:40] <SeanTater> cryptonic: I imagine it can be problematic, it just got write capability
[11:40] <runa> IIRC when I installed ubuntu I did it in a LVM. now I would like to add another disk. how can I know if Im using LVM or not?
[11:40] <Jowi> talisein, if I tick it esd is running but not producing sound (that is normal, I never been able to get esd to play nice with any of my hardware). so now it's ticked off again :P
[11:40] <ScreaminIk1> anyone know where lynx keeps its cache? say... when it's dling afile...
[11:40] <POVaddct> bluefox83: no, i mean if you start it and it runs, he can terminate it with ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:40] <SeanTater> cryptonic: but it's possible, there are utilities for it, AFAIK
[11:41] <fkdsm> hellow all, have installed Ubuntu LTS and this is good to work with
[11:41] <physicsnick> ScreaminIk1: you mean while it's running? i don't think lynx saves a cache after you close it...
[11:41] <SeanTater> fkdsm: good
[11:41] <bluefox83> POVaddct, yeah..that's great..but we can't get it started..
[11:41] <ScreaminIk1> yea. while it's running
[11:41] <fkdsm> thx SeanTater
[11:41] <fkdsm> :)
[11:41] <POVaddct> bluefox83: try sudo Xorg :0 vt07
[11:41] <SeanTater> fkdsm: I'm glad you think so
[11:41] <talisein> Jowi: do you have a /dev/dsp?
[11:41] <physicsnick> ScreaminIk1: hmm, don't know, sorry
[11:41] <POVaddct> bluefox83: and watch the error message
[11:41] <SeanTater> fkdsm: The occasional complement is nice to hear among many complaints
[11:42] <fkdsm> well I have been thinking abt this a loong time.. but finally I decided to go for it
[11:42] <nyk2005> help...
[11:42] <fkdsm> :))yw SeanTater
[11:42] <ScreaminIk1> darn. cuz... i have this file dling across campus... but my account doesn't have the allocated disk space to actually save it...
[11:42] <Jowi> talisein, yeah, /dev/dsp exist. I appreciate your help but I will continue to hunt for a solution tomorrow, need some sleep. At least I know that the kernel modules are ok and that some apps get sound.
[11:42] <SeanTater> fkdsm: have you considered other linux distributions too?
[11:42] <ScreaminIk1> so i was going to open another ssh to dl the file out of the cache
[11:42] <ScreaminIk1> :)
[11:42] <talisein> Jowi: np, goodnight
[11:43] <Jowi> night all. thanks goes out to everyone involved! peace
[11:43] <SeanTater> fkdsm: I tried linspire, then ubuntu, and settled (temporarily) on debian, so sometimes you'll like 2 or 3
[11:43] <physicsnick> ScreaminIk1: you're using lynx to download a large file?
[11:43] <fkdsm> well I have a Windows machine with VM-ware and on that I have PCBSD and Fedora installed and also OpenSuse 10.. I like them all..coz they look so nice and I need some time to get used to them
[11:44] <physicsnick> ScreaminIk1: why? why not use a graphical browser?
[11:44] <SeanTater> fkdsm: have you tried kde too?
[11:44] <SeanTater> fkdsm: (Kde is a desktop environment)
[11:44] <physicsnick> SeanTater: do you use kde?
[11:44] <physicsnick> because i use kubuntu
[11:44] <SeanTater> physicsnick: yes
[11:44] <Newbi8> What filesharing-program are people using on Ubuntu?I can't get none to work.....
[11:44] <physicsnick> and i love it
[11:44] <SeanTater> physicsnick: so do I
[11:44] <POVaddct> SeanTater: i think opensuse 10 comes with kde
[11:44] <physicsnick> oh
[11:44] <ScreaminIk1> cuz the campus connection is choked. but i have a cli to an unchocked terminal
[11:44] <fkdsm> yep, that is standard install in OpenSuse.. rite now I'm running on Gnome
[11:44] <physicsnick> i thought you said you used debian
[11:44] <SeanTater> Newbi8: generally we use bittorrent
[11:44] <LjL> cyfr, sorry, i don't think i can help you, not having gnome installed and all. perhaps repeat your question in 10 minutes or so, you may have more luck :(
[11:44] <talisein> ScreaminIk1: look in the directory you're downloading too, then look at  "ls -a ~/"
[11:45] <xerophyte_> does anybody know why does the ssh hangs after it ask password, of the server does this .. but i checked the server it does not seem to be hacked. .. anybody know why
[11:45] <SeanTater> Newbi8: but it;s just for downloading ISO's ans stuff that's really upposed to be free
[11:45] <SeanTater> fkdsm: okay
[11:45] <physicsnick> i just got my kubuntu lts cds in the mail today
[11:45] <physicsnick> they're ever so sexy
[11:45] <fkdsm> SeanTater,  :)
[11:45] <SeanTater> fkdsm: whichever you prefer, go for!
[11:45] <_atomic> sup
[11:45] <cyfr> LjL im not sure what that package was... but I found the same "buuf" icon set on gnome-look and it installed fine, thanks for the help
[11:45] <Wazm> hello
[11:45] <Seeker1> When I run chkrootkit, it says: Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for readdir command You have     1 process hidden for ps command chkproc: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed.  What can I do?
[11:45] <SeanTater> _atomic: hello
[11:45] <talisein> ScreaminIk1: look in ~/.links/ or ~/.links2/
[11:45] <Wazm> you tell me ;)
[11:45] <physicsnick> i think i'm gonna order a stack of 10 and leave them in the physics society room for people to take
[11:45] <SeanTater> Wazm: hello
[11:45] <Seeker1> anyone have any solutions?
[11:45] <Newbi8> Seantater:How do I install Sun Java and that Azerus stuff then?I'm going nuts.......
[11:45] <_atomic> unsure
[11:46] <physicsnick> that's how i got into linux in the first place, so i figure i should return the favor
[11:46] <surreal> is there a cmd line program that will search the repos?
[11:46] <runa> Seeker1: are you running qmail?
[11:46] <physicsnick> Newbi8: have you activated the universe and multiverse repositories?
[11:46] <SeanTater> !java > Newbi8
[11:46] <talisein> surreal: apt-cache search package
[11:46] <runa> Seeker1: I get that message all the time with qmail. Usually is a false alarm
[11:46] <SeanTater> Newbi8: look at what ubotu said
[11:46] <surreal> oo
[11:46] <surreal> thanks
[11:46] <fkdsm> SeanTater,  well.. i would like to update to the newly released Gnome, any tips in howto, or is this included in the Synaptics
[11:46] <kitche> !qmail
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qmail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <Seeker1> runa: ok
[11:47] <SeanTater> fkdsm: it should be in edgy
[11:47] <Seeker1> runa: not runnuing qmail
[11:47] <TheGateKeeper> Newbi8: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[11:47] <SeanTater> fkdsm: If you wait, edgy will be released in a few days
[11:47] <talisein> Seeker1: google for LKM trojan recovery?
[11:47] <physicsnick> Newbi8: after you do that, follow the installing azureus instructions on the ubuntuguide
[11:47] <fkdsm> yes that is true SeanTater  ... and then an update from LTS to Edgy that is what I will have to do then
[11:47] <Seeker1> talisein: its ok! seems like a glitch
[11:47] <physicsnick> Newbi8: don't install azureus from the repos, because it uses a free version of java in which a bunch of stuff is broken
[11:48] <SeanTater> fkdsm: But it's not as stable as dapper (and probably will never be, It's not intended to be)
[11:48] <physicsnick> unless it bothers you to use sun java
[11:48] <ladydoor> surreal: apt-cache search
[11:48] <talisein> physicsnick: you can set up ubuntu to use sun-java by default.
[11:48] <kitche> Seeker1: I would try the other two tools just to make sure it's not a glitche
[11:48] <SeanTater> fkdsm: sure
[11:48] <LjL> Seeker1: the fact that i *said* i *believed* it was a glitch *on my system* doesn't mean it is a glitch. you should probably investigate.
[11:48] <ladydoor> surreal: or you can get into aptitude's ui and press / to search and n to search again
[11:48] <talisein> physicsnick: its an option in update-alternatives
[11:48] <SeanTater> fkdsm: see ya, got to go
[11:48] <Seeker1> kitche: what tools?
[11:48] <SeanTater> fkdsm: :)
[11:48] <fkdsm> cu later SeanTater
[11:48] <LjL> kitche: rkhunter
[11:48] <kitche> Seeker1: like rkhunter
[11:48] <Seeker1> LjL: investigate how?
[11:48] <LjL> kitche: sorry, that was obviously addressed to Seeker1
[11:48] <Seeker1> kitche: rkhunter doesnt report anything
[11:49] <LjL> Seeker1: google ;)
[11:49] <physicsnick> talisein: doesn't ubuntu use sun-java by default if you just install sun java from the repos?
[11:49] <Seeker1> LjL: google says its a glitch
[11:49] <Seeker1> and a short term living process
[11:49] <surreal> hmm
[11:49] <kitche> LjL: that's ok :)
[11:49] <LjL> Seeker1: ah, so you've checked yourself too. ok then
[11:49] <talisein> physicsnick: not sure. I suspect not actually
[11:49] <physicsnick> talisein: the problem with azureus from the repos is that it's precompiled with the free java
[11:49] <runa> anyone knows how can I know if Im using LVM or not?
[11:49] <kitche> Seeker1: probably how ubuntu modified ps and such most likely
[11:49] <talisein> really?
[11:49] <physicsnick> talisein: as far as i know, it won't use sun java no matter what you do
[11:50] <physicsnick> talisein: i think so. that's why on ubuntuguide, it instructs you to wget the actual azureus jar files and set it up from there
[11:50] <adammk> how can i change settings for every user? i'm talking about settings that are usually up to the individual user.
[11:50] <talisein> i use rtorrent anyways
[11:50] <zardinuk> runa: cat /etc/fstab
[11:50] <talisein> waaaaaaaaaay more efficient
[11:50] <physicsnick> talisein: that way it uses whatever java your computer is set up with. in this case sun java
[11:50] <surreal> obconf needs libobrender.so.1 i have .0.4.0 do i just need to enable a need repo or do i need to compile that?
[11:50] <physicsnick> yeah, i intend to switch over to ktorrent soon
[11:51] <physicsnick> but i have a torrent in progress using azureus that i've had for over four months now
[11:51] <talisein> lol
[11:51] <talisein> check out rtorrent
[11:51] <physicsnick> i started it on windows, then formatted and installed ubuntu, then formatted and installed kubuntu edgy
[11:51] <VooDoo> evening
[11:52] <physicsnick> once this thing FINALLY finishes, then i can switch over to something else
[11:52] <physicsnick> yeah i'll check it out
[11:52] <runa> zardinuk: I've hda1 mounted as /. This means Im not using it, right?
[11:52] <bluefox83> ok..is there an easy way to do this?
[11:53] <talisein> bluefox83: probably/.
[11:53] <zardinuk> runa: right, you'd see LABEL=/ if you were using LVM
[11:53] <MonsieurBon> does nobody know how i get my s-video out to work? I got an ATI Card
[11:54] <POVaddct> bluefox83: to do what? i think i missed a message
[11:54] <runa> zardinuk: fuck. and I cannot create a LVM without recreating the FS, right?
[11:54] <talisein> MonsieurBon: which driver are you using? flgrx or the free ones?
[11:54] <kupesoft> how do i find out which tty is a modem (re: hylafax)?
[11:54] <bluefox83> POVaddct, i can't seem to get the xorg.conf right
[11:54] <ompaul> !langauge
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about langauge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <ompaul> !language
[11:54] <physicsnick> hehe
[11:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:54] <ompaul> runa, ^^
[11:54] <joeCoT> bah. i'm getting fPIC errors compiling iceweasel >_<
[11:54] <MonsieurBon> talisein: fglrx
[11:54] <Chamuco> hi i have been trying this for a while I have an image file from an ext3 partition and I want to copy a backup superblock i was trying w e2fsck but it gives me an error  any pointers ?
[11:55] <POVaddct> bluefox83: can you paste it to pastebin? and the Xorg error message too
[11:55] <physicsnick> use pastebin.ca, not pastebin.com
[11:55] <physicsnick> it's way faster
[11:55] <auslandr> Silly question - What the heck is the name of the program that lets you track logfiles on the desktop of your x.org session?  I can't remember the name of it and synaptic isn't giving me any love.
[11:55] <ompaul> use pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:55] <Newbi8> physicsnick:thank you.:)
[11:55] <bluefox83> error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[11:56] <bluefox83> Fatal server error:
[11:56] <talisein> MonsieurBon: check out the documents in /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:56] <bluefox83> could not open default font 'fixed'
[11:56] <POVaddct> bluefox83: to pastebin, not here
[11:56] <Jowi> back. just wanted to give an update to those who helped me (or tried to) I found the problem!
[11:56] <bluefox83> POVaddct, sorry
[11:56] <talisein> Jowi: ?
[11:56] <POVaddct> bluefox83: the fonts are missing
[11:56] <bluefox83> POVaddct, so how do i install them?
[11:56] <m3rlinux> ho bisogno di aiuto...
[11:56] <talisein> auslandr: its probably one of the xterms with transparency turned on.
[11:56] <POVaddct> bluefox83: wait..
[11:57] <m3rlinux> si parla solo l'inglese qui?
[11:57] <talisein> auslandr: like eterm
[11:57] <LjL> !it
[11:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:57] <m3rlinux> grazie ubotu
[11:57] <m3rlinux> :)
[11:57] <Jowi> talisein, kitche, crimsun: /etc/asound.conf was not correct. pointed to use 'pcm "hw:0,1"' instead of the real deal "hw:0,0". now all apps get sound.
[11:57] <aixing> :D
[11:57] <POVaddct> bluefox83: sudo apt-get install xfonts-base
[11:57] <talisein> cool
[11:57] <bluefox83> POVaddct, it said it was already installed
[11:57] <Ninja562> what media player should I use for web videos?
[11:58] <tuxtux> notte a tutti
[11:58] <POVaddct> bluefox83: then the xorg.conf must be f***ed up
[11:58] <auslandr> talisein: laugh.. That's probably it.. I'll just run eterm with multitail and be done with it.
[11:58] <MonsieurBon> talisein: there's just a copyright and a changelog in there
[11:58] <talisein> Ninja562: matters which web videos you're talking about.
[11:58] <bluefox83> POVaddct, possible
[11:58] <POVaddct> bluefox83: can you put it on pastebin?
[11:58] <Jowi> talisein, that was a looooong troubleshooting for such a small thing that should have been detected during install time.
[11:58] <bluefox83> POVaddct, give me a quick link please
[11:58] <steamR> Ninja562: Some prefer totem-gstreamer, others mplayer
[11:58] <Chamuco> Or what application could I use to restore the main superblock of a partition?
[11:58] <POVaddct> !paste
[11:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:59] <POVaddct> bluefox83: read what ubotu said
[11:59] <talisein> MonsieurBon: hrm, ls /usr/share/doc/*fglrx*, there should be a nice README that covers everything in one of them
[11:59] <Jowi> anyway, I'm happy. will write a howto someday. see you guys around.
[11:59] <steamR> Ninja562: or totem-xine
[11:59] <Ninja562> steamR: How do I tell the difference?
[11:59] <talisein> Jowi: file a bug if you would. Its probably because mac-minis aren't super-common
[11:59] <talisein> doh.
[11:59] <Ninja562> Is there one that does em all?
[11:59] <steamR> just install the firefox-plugin from plf, and it will work
[12:00] <talisein> Ninja562: mplayer does most, and the rest are probably Flash
[12:00] <MonsieurBon> talisein: there is nothing....
[12:00] <steamR> Ninja562: I prefer totem-xine with the firefox plugin. Works best for me


[00:00] <cjohnston> ok
[00:00] <jono> sorry for the delay
[00:00] <JanC> the ideas are interesting  ☺
[00:00] <cjohnston> yup
[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> True, I also like responding on AskUbuntu more then the fora, one of the reasons being the rewarding system
[00:00] <jono> JanC, :-)
[00:01] <JanC> ideas about this sort of thing have been around for a long time though, and the current "karma" on LP is part of it  ☺
[00:01] <jono> JanC, I agree, but I don't karma serves us well
[00:01] <jono> it only covers a small range of things, and is just a number
[00:01] <jono> I think people identify more with trophies
[00:01] <JanC> karma is okay for some subset of contributions
[00:02] <jono> JanC, agreed
[00:02] <JanC> well, *I* don't care about trophies  :P
[00:02] <jono> JanC, which is fine :-)
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but just "okay" isn't good enough in my humble opinion
[00:02] <jono> we wouldnt mandate this on Ubuntu users
[00:02] <jono> it could be an opt in system
[00:03] <JanC> I guess it could be one factor to consider to approve Ubuntu Membership too
[00:03] <JanC> as in, a positive factor
[00:03] <MrChrisDruif> Will it pull in previously gathered trophies?
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> There are a few things mentioned I have already done in the past ;-)
[00:04] <JanC> MrChrisDruif: you mean, like askubuntu trophies?
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> JanC; that too ;-)
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> But also "Clicked a button" etc trophies
[00:06] <jono> MrChrisDruif, right now it would focus on the set of trophies defined here
[00:06] <jono> it could potentially be extended to pull in additional trophies too
[00:06] <jono> JanC, I agree - this could be a useful means of assessing membership
[00:06] <jono> the boards could evaluate a user's trophy cabinet
[00:06] <JanC> hm, you might even want to provide printed proof of those trophies
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> jono; I understand, but I meant that a part of the set of trophies defined here I've already done
[00:07] <JanC> for people in countries where this is important
[00:09] <jono> JanC, I don't understand, why would you need to print it out?
[00:09] <JanC> http://river-valley.tv/how-to-get-contributors-to-your-freelibreopen-source-project-from-vietnam-and-asia/
[00:12] <jono> JanC, what page doesnt really indicate why you would need to print out content
[00:12] <jono> sorry, maybe I am just not seeing it :-)
[00:12] <jono> oh it is a video
[00:12] <JanC> it's something Hong Phuc Dang explains in that talk: people in (some) 3rd-world countries need (written) proof that their involvement in open source is not a waste of the money needed to let them attend university  ☺
[00:13] <jono> oh I see
[00:13] <jono> that makes sense
[00:14] <JanC> as in: they could be doing a job (and make money) or being involved in in open source (and get a "diploma" for it)
[00:14] <JanC> where "diploma" means something that can help you make more money later  ;)
[00:15] <JanC> jono: her talk is really interesting, and she has experiance with organising open source events & communities in Asia
[00:16] <jono> cool, I will check it out
[00:16] <jono> thanks for the link JanC :-)
[00:16] <JanC> I was at that talk, after all
[00:16] <JanC> and so was akk, I suppose
[00:17] <jono> cool
[00:17] <jono> brb
[00:17] <JanC> and maybe also some Canonical people  ;)
[01:15]  * MrChrisDruif is writing an application letter to a company in hopes to get a job and education
[01:17] <Martyn> ??
[01:17] <Martyn> Isn't it usuall you get education, and then a job?
[01:20] <MrChrisDruif> Martyn; here in Holland we've got something called a dual education. It means you get practical experience on the job and the theoretical information behind it on school
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> So usually you would, but in this case I don't ^_^
[01:58] <Martyn> neat
[07:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <jokerdino> good day.
[07:56] <bkerensa> good morning dholbach
[07:57] <dholbach> hey bkerensa, jokerdino
[07:59] <dholbach> if you all want to do me a favour, please grab a developer near you and ask if they want to give a session at UDW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable - I'm struggling a bit to get people on board this time
[08:04] <bkerensa> dholbach: Pinged two of the best developers I know :)
[08:04] <bkerensa> slangasek and kees :P
[08:04] <dpm> good morning all
[08:04] <dholbach> sweet
[08:04] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:04] <dpm> hallo dholbach
[13:25] <popey> dpm: seen people reporting redirect loop on the chinese tour?
[13:26] <dpm> popey, hm, no, I haven't. If it's happening, we should ping ant
[13:26] <dpm> let me load the tour myself...
[13:26] <popey>  see my G+ feed
[13:27] <dholbach> I don't get the the issue either
[13:28] <dpm> it's working fine here, let me point ant to your feed's comments
[13:28] <dpm> ah, they use Chrome
[13:29] <popey> works fine for me in chrome
[13:29] <dpm> and for me in Chromium
[13:32] <dpm> ok, poked ant
[13:33] <daker> dpm, Erreur 310 (net::ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS)  - Chromium 18.0.997.0
[13:33] <daker> and the url is something like this : http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/zh-CN/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/
[13:34] <dpm> daker, ah, thanks! what steps do you follow, starting from www.ubuntu.com, to get into that loop?
[13:34] <daker> yes i clicked the "中文" button
[13:35] <dpm> and then you get the loop straight away?
[13:35] <daker> yes
[13:35] <dholbach> maybe an issue they fixed which might still be hanging in some caches/proxies?
[13:36] <dpm> good point. daker, if you refresh the page with shift+F5, do you still get the issue?
[13:36] <daker> same thing
[13:37] <nigelb> I can't reproduce with Firefox
[13:40] <daker> dpm, it works now
[13:43] <dpm> hm, might have been a temporary issue?
[13:44] <daker> maybe
[13:46] <ts2> the first time I clicked the link I got the redirect error, but not the second of subsequent times
[13:53] <scott-work> good morning everyone
[14:24] <mhall119> good morning
[14:24] <nigelb> Morning mhall119
[14:31] <balloons> morning :-)
[14:32] <mhall119> morning balloons, nice weather isn't it?
[14:33] <balloons> SO nice!
[14:33] <mhall119> I may be working from the hammock this afternoon :)
[14:34] <balloons> the forecast says perfect weather here all week. I'm guessing it's the same for you
[14:34] <mhall119> yup, upper 70s all week
[14:35] <nigelb> there needs to be an irssi plugin to convert F to C.
[14:35] <nigelb> Why don't y'all use C like normal people :P
[14:35] <mhall119> because we're Americans!
[14:36] <nigelb> Proudly using the imperial system :D
[14:36] <balloons> sorry nigelb .. highs are 27 c all week
[14:36] <nigelb> yeah, I converted :)
[14:36] <mhall119> next he's gonna want us to talk meters and grams :(
[14:36] <nigelb> But I try not miss a chance to make fun of Fahrenheit
[14:37] <balloons> we're just trying to give legacy to that kings foot
[14:37] <balloons> :-)
[14:37] <nigelb> heh
[14:38] <balloons> we could move to kelvin...
[14:39] <nigelb> which is not bad.
[14:39] <dpm> morning  balloons
[14:39] <dpm> morning mhall119
[14:39] <balloons> morning dpm
[14:39] <snap-l> Hey, I'll give you the whole length and mass thing
[14:40] <balloons> err well, afternoon dpm :-
[14:40] <snap-l> but you'll take my Farenheit from my cold, 32F fingers.
[14:41] <nigelb> lol, that was a good one
[14:42] <balloons> I was not alive the last time the us tried to convert to metric.. funny thing is I can see how companies would simply use it to cheat consumers, and people would feel ripped off even if the prices stayed consistent throughout the conversion
[14:43] <snap-l> WEll, what's funny is most things are already measured in litres
[14:43] <snap-l> liquor: 750ml, 1 litre, etc.
[14:44] <balloons> yes -- try selling gas in liters and see how that goes for you
[14:44] <mhall119> morning dpm, dholbach and jcastro
[14:45] <snap-l> balloons: They do that in canadia. ;)
[14:45] <balloons> yep.. been there, bought that
[14:45] <snap-l> We 'merkins gotta have our mpGs
[14:45] <mhall119> soda is about the only thing most people think of in terms of metric measurements
[14:46] <balloons> everything would look good on paper tho.. cheaper prices, more miles per X :-)
[14:46] <mhall119> unless it's small amounts, then it's still ounces
[14:46] <mhall119> http://xkcd.com/526/ is a good conversion guide
[14:46] <snap-l> mhall119: Most of our baking goods are still in ounces
[14:47] <mhall119> most weight measures are still pounds/ounces
[14:47] <snap-l> Yeah
[14:48] <mhall119> try coming up with something like "a pint's a pound the world around" in metric
[14:48] <ahayzen> Why can't everyone just adopt SI units? Only 3 countries in the world haven't officially adopted SI (Myanmar (Burma), Liberia, and the United States)
[14:49] <mhall119> ahayzen: the same reason some people like bright-pink hair
[14:50] <ahayzen> @mhall119: lol... but it makes things much easier for Physics :)
[14:50] <meetingology> ahayzen: Error: "mhall119:" is not a valid command.
[14:51] <mhall119> I'm *always* a valid command!
[14:52] <balloons> ahayzen, that's interesting... only 3 places left..
[14:52] <ahayzen> balloons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
[14:52] <ahayzen> balloons: Under 'Cultural issues'
[14:57] <dholbach> hey mhall119
[14:58] <dholbach>  ./mhall119 fill up UDW schedule
[14:58] <dholbach> :-P
[14:59] <nigelb> haha
[14:59] <nigelb> now you'll get "Bad command or filename"
[14:59] <mhall119> dholbach: hey, I've already filled several slots for you
[14:59] <dholbach> I know
[14:59]  * dholbach hugs mhall119
[14:59] <dholbach> mhall119, let me know if the pilot scripts work for you :)
[14:59] <mhall119> dholbach: will do
[14:59] <dholbach> mhall119, it's just what I'm still struggling with right now :)
[15:00] <dholbach> dpm, maybe we should merge UDW and UADW next time ;-)
[15:00] <mhall119> dholbach: yeah, I don't quite understand the difference
[15:02] <dholbach> well there's content about developing apps for Ubuntu and there's content about how to work on the Ubuntu platform (packaging, integration, etc.)
[15:02] <dholbach> but there's more and more overlap and it'd be just one event to plan, announce, etc
[15:06] <mhall119> yeah, I think you're right
[15:37]  * highvoltage wants an mhall119 script too
[15:37]  * mhall119 wants a script to build daily ISOs of qimo (hint hint, highvoltage )
[15:42] <highvoltage> mhall119: I was thinking of that just last night :)
[15:46] <jono> morning all!
[15:47] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:47] <nigelb> Hi jono
[15:47] <jono> hey dholbach, nigelb
[15:49] <mhall119> morning jono
[15:49] <jono> hey mhall119
[15:49] <jono> ahhh the sweet smell of coffee brewing on this dreary day
[15:49] <jono> the weather is awful here
[15:50] <mhall119> it's beautiful here
[15:50] <ahayzen> jono: Hi ...'You have accomplished something! Clicked a button' ... Well done with all the work on the accomplishment system. Really liking where this is going :)
[15:50] <jono> ahayzen, getting there :-)
[15:50] <jono> thanks for the encouragement
[15:51] <ahayzen> jono: Wish i could help but too many exams at the moment though :(
[15:51] <mhall119> jono: is there an API doc for libaccomplishments
[15:51] <mhall119> or should I just browse the code?
[15:52] <jono> mhall119, no, but you only really need the one function in there
[15:52] <jono> mhall119, if you read the code it is pretty simple
[15:52] <mhall119> ok
[15:53] <mhall119> jono: do you want me to focus on a lens for oneiric or precise?
[15:54] <pangolin> Congratulations! You have just violated ACTA, the DoJ has been informed.
[15:55] <mhall119> that's too easy to do for it to be considered an accomplishment
[15:56] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:56] <pangolin> mhall119: it could be the 1st accomplishment
[15:56] <jono> mhall119, I think Oneiric would be cool, but if a problem, let's focus on Precise
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[16:02] <dholbach> yep
[16:05] <mhall119> jono: precise would mean I have to upgrade my laptop and singlet
[16:05] <mhall119> which I want to do anyway, but would take more time
[16:05] <dpm> mhall119, I meant to ask you this last week. I'm not sure if I've asked you that already or if it's come up in a conversation already, but are you thinking of integrating singlet into quickly? e.g. creating a quickly template for lenses
[16:05] <mhall119> dpm: I'll be talking to didrocks about that later this week
[16:06] <mhall119> to see what would be the best way of doing that
[16:06] <dpm> mhall119, cool. You might want to talk to mterry too. He's the current quickly maintainer now
[16:06] <mhall119> ok
[16:06] <mhall119> is jcastro working today, or is he recovering from SCaLE?
[16:08] <mhall119> I heard there was a lot of people in the juju and unity talks there
[16:12] <nigelb> did you guys see the canonicalpeoplelookingatthings.blogspot.com blog?
[16:12] <mhall119> yes
[16:13] <mhall119> I have a couple I need to submit
[16:15] <popey> ☺
[16:16] <czajkowski> I have a lot on pix.ie
[16:17] <popey> submit them!
[16:32] <jono> mhall119, you should be running Precise right now
[16:32] <jono> please upgrade
[16:32] <jono> it is running pretty stable anyway :-)
[16:32] <jono> dpm, all set?
[16:32] <mhall119> ok
[16:32] <czajkowski> popey: how does submit them ?
[16:33] <dpm> jono, yep
[16:34] <jono> dpm, hangout sent
[16:35] <dpm> jono, weird, I cannot see it
[16:36] <dpm> are you using your usual g+ account? I cannot see it in your home page either
[16:36] <dpm> now
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> Should all the new power saving settings be applied when you upgrade to Precise?
[16:43] <balloons> jono, our time fell off my calendar -- when do we meet today?
[16:43] <jono> balloons, 11.30 Pacific
[16:44] <balloons> MrChrisDruif, I'm not 100% sure but I believe they are in precise.. check colin's post
[16:44] <balloons> jono, thanks :-)
[16:45] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; they (should be/are) in precise, but will they also apply with an upgrade?
[16:47] <balloons> you mean vs a fresh install?
[16:48] <koolhead17> hi all!!
[16:48] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; yes
[16:49] <MrChrisDruif> Upgrade isn't the same as a fresh install. A lot of stuff in a default fresh install isn't processed in an upgrade
[16:49] <balloons> MrChrisDruif, I don't think I've ever understood this perception of always wanting fresh install
[16:50] <balloons> in reality they are identical, unless you or something you've installed modifies the default, AND on upgrade you keep your old configuration
[16:50] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; see above and also with upgrades I get cruff
[16:50] <MrChrisDruif> And who doesn't alter the default installation?
[16:52] <MrChrisDruif> I've got the default install modified so much you almost can't call it Ubuntu anymore ^_^
[16:52] <balloons> lol.. I understand your thought process, but I *think* it's overblown. I don't know enough to say one way or the other I suppose so I won't
[16:52]  * mhall119 upgrading
[16:53] <balloons> some of the changes are kernel related, so no matter what, your good there
[16:53] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[16:53]  * MrChrisDruif will also see what happens when upgrading
[16:56] <balloons> if you do like blank installing tho, dpkg makes it easy to dump your current list of packages and reinstall them again anew
[16:57] <balloons> i dump my list and my sources.list in with my backup so I can "restore" my entire system including os if needed..
[16:59] <mhall119> the only reason I ever do a fresh install is to get rid of all the junk I've installed and never use
[17:01] <daker> what do you think of this nigelb  bug #920538
[17:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 920538 in ubuntu-cloud-portal "Just use cloud-images.u.c instead of the AMI browser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/920538
[17:01] <nigelb> Isn't that page auto-gerated?
[17:01] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe I should install the mini-ISO some day, only install cruft I want ^_^
[17:02] <balloons> MrChrisDruif, net-installs of only the base system work for the hardcore
[17:02] <daker> nigelb, yes
[17:02] <balloons> i have walked that road with old hardware
[17:03] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, that's want I'm talking about...maybe even debian ^_^
[17:03] <popey> balloons: I feel the same way about upgrades
[17:03] <popey> it frustrates me when people just tell everyone to do a clean install and not upgrade
[17:03] <popey> we will never get upgrades tested if those people giving support tell people not to do it
[17:03] <popey> so the quality goes down as a result, self defeating spiral of fail
[17:03] <nigelb> daker: To be fair, I always use cloud.ubuntu.com to find an AMI
[17:04] <balloons> yes.. this really sounds like a experiment/post
[17:04] <balloons> do a little proof testing
[17:04] <balloons> I'll diff my system now, versus a clean install ;-) hehe
[17:04] <daker> nigelb, comment on the bug
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> "Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool or your package manager."
[17:05] <daker> popey, for me it takes less than one hour to a do fresh install, upgrading takes about 4/5 hours for me
[17:05] <popey> what else were you going to do with those hours?
[17:05] <popey> sleep?
[17:05] <koolhead17> guys whoever is working on UDS site please change the Budapest banner http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/community/
[17:06] <balloons> daker, really interesting on the time difference.. is your cpu really slow or?
[17:06] <MrChrisDruif> Probably popey ^_^
[17:08] <daker> balloons, P4 512M of RAM
[17:08] <daker> CPU is 1Ghz and something
[17:09] <balloons> odd. I mean, if that's the case then yea i would wipe install.. but do you reinstall your packages afterwards? that likely takes some processing time as well
[17:09] <daker> yes
[17:10] <daker> VLC/Chromuim/Xchat
[17:10] <daker> you can say it will takes on other hour to install the packages
[17:11] <daker> 2h < 5 h
[17:11] <popey> plus time taken to download the iso
[17:11] <daker> hhhh, i use the CD
[17:11] <popey> ☺
[17:13] <balloons> lol.. superfast internet bandwith, but slow pc.. means it's faster :-)
[17:15]  * koolhead17 looks at daker
[17:16] <daker> ツ
[17:26] <jono> dholbach, still here?
[17:27] <dholbach> jono, yes
[17:28] <daker> sorry guys but i will delete this MP https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/juju/small-fix/+merge/68038
[17:28] <daker> and i will not sign any agreement
[17:31] <dpm> dholbach, say if I've written a super cool app, but a) have no idea on packaging and I'm happy for it to be packaged in Ubuntu or Debian and b) would like to have it in the archive, what's the first step I would have to do?
[17:32] <dpm> (assuming the developer of the app does not want to maintain the package)
[17:32] <dholbach> if it's not packaged yet, check out the packaging guide, then read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[17:33] <dpm> dholbach, ah, cool, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
[17:33] <dholbach> de nada
[17:34] <jono> daker, any particular reason why you don't want to sign it?
[17:37] <daker> jono, ah i just found that they have updated the process, now i can sign it online
[17:37] <jono> daker, awesome :-)
[17:37] <daker> but one thing is missing, where are the terms ?
[17:41] <daker> jono, i can't find the terms :/
[17:41] <jono> daker, reply to the bug to ask for the terms and I will ask Kapil to respond
[17:42] <daker> ok thanks
[17:42] <popey> http://www.canonical.com/sites/default/files/active/images/Canonical-HA-CLA-ANY-I.pdf
[17:42] <popey> isnt that it?
[17:43] <daker> popey, i think yes
[17:44] <daker> popey, but i can't find it here https://forms.canonical.com/contributor/
[17:44] <jono> daker, I just pinged Kapil, he will update the bug report
[17:44] <popey> http://www.canonical.com/contributors
[17:44] <popey> that page links to it
[17:44] <popey> and to the form
[17:44] <daker> thanks jono popey
[17:45] <jono> thanka daker!
[17:51] <dpm> ok, see you all tomorrow!
[18:02] <technoviking> crap, my laptop died this morning
[18:02] <dholbach> :-(
[18:03] <technoviking> dholbach: Do you know of anyone that could help the Salt folks (saltstack.org) get there software into Ubuntu/Debian
[18:04] <technoviking> They gotten a package into testing, but are stuck there
[18:04] <dholbach> if it's in testing it's in Debian already and we can sync it
[18:04] <dholbach> can you mail me some details?
[18:04] <technoviking> I updated there PPA and working to make them a juju charm
[18:04] <dholbach> I'll look into it tomorrow and see who I can find
[18:04] <technoviking> dholbach: sure
[18:05] <technoviking> dholbach: many thanks
[18:08] <mhall119> jono: I've got about 30 minutes of install left (then who knows how much cleanup), but we can try a hangout and see what breaks
[18:15] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; same here ^_^
[18:22] <jono> mhall119, sorry, got stuck on a call
[18:22] <jono> mhall119, you free now?
[18:24] <mhall119> jono: yup
[18:30] <jono> mhall119, hangout invite sent
[18:31] <MrChrisDruif> bbiab
[18:32]  * dholbach call it a day
[18:32] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[18:33] <balloons> bye dholbach1
[18:33] <dholbach> bye balloons :)
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> Bacl
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> back*
[18:45] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing broke yet ^_^
[19:28] <jono> balloons, all set in a few mins?
[19:28] <balloons> you bet
[19:28] <jono> balloons, cool man, will send an invite in a min
[19:28] <jono> just wrapping up a few things
[19:29] <balloons> lots happening this morning :-)
[19:31] <jono> indeed
[19:31] <jono> damn, need to reboot
[19:31] <jono> one sec
[19:39] <MrChrisDruif> jono; you reboot in 1 second O_O
[19:39] <MrChrisDruif> ?
[19:42] <czajkowski> I reboot in just under 10
[19:45] <jono> :-)
[19:49] <bkerensa> jono: Will you be staying in Portland after CLS for OSCON or just CLS this year?
[19:50] <bkerensa> would love to have a Ubuntu Hour when you are in town
[20:00] <jono> mhall119, who is Ricky Rosario?
[20:00] <jono> is that the Sumo guy?
[20:01] <mhall119> jono: yeah
[20:01] <mhall119> chatting with him now
[20:01] <jono> cool
[20:07] <MrChrisDruif> It might be me, but my laptop *feels* cooler ^_^
[20:10] <balloons> did you run powertop before/ater?
[20:44] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, sorry
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> I'll run it after at least
[21:30] <jono> mhall119, wow, it seems Sumo could be a neat fit from your notes so far
[21:36] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; does it show temps anywhere?
[21:38] <mhall119> jono: yeah
[21:38] <balloons> ohh powertop? I don't believe so, just the power usage which indirectly relates to temps
[21:38] <balloons> however lmsensors does show temps ;-)
[21:39] <balloons> not sure if there is an indicator for that? there was under gnome2.. you could even control the clockspeed and set the cpu governor
[21:59] <jono> balloons, http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/23/nicholas-skaggs-qa-blog/
[21:59] <jono> should get people looking at your blog
[22:00] <balloons> and so it begins :-)
[22:00] <balloons> great, thank you
[22:09] <jono> :-)
[22:48] <mhall119> so I'm switching how I use GTG, instead of tags for projects, like @canonical or @unity, I'm tagging them as people that will be involved in them
[22:48] <mhall119> I think this will work much better
[22:49] <mhall119> now I need to hack gtg to allow gravatars instead of just colors on tags
[22:53] <balloons> call me slow, but I'm seeing the rss feed for voices.canonical.com.. is that something I can follow or not?
[22:53] <balloons> of course.. found it
[22:53] <balloons> it never fails.. spend 10 mins looking for something, but the second you ask you find it
[22:54] <balloons> http://voices.canonical.com/feed/rss/ in case anyone cares :-)
[22:58] <akgraner> balloons, "the orange notebook"  nice title!
[22:58] <balloons> akgraner, thank you :-) it should look a bit familiar
[22:58] <akgraner> that it does
[22:59] <akgraner> so you're wife is using Ubuntu does she want to get involved in the community?
[23:00] <balloons> my wife has been using ubuntu for a bit.. I think she might enjoy getting involved
[23:01] <akgraner> Oh cool, that would rock.
[23:02] <balloons> lol.. I say a bit, she's been using it as long as I have, since I admin all the pcs in the house.. :-)
[23:03] <akgraner> :-)
[23:03] <balloons> she enjoys using gimp, and knows more about it than me!
[23:10] <mhall119> balloons: that's why I always ask first :)
[23:10] <balloons> mhall119, ohh.. someday maybe I'll be as smart as you
[23:13] <balloons> ohh the sunset is lovely.. I think I shall go out and watch it.. good night to you all


[09:02] <alan_g> greyback: hi, not urgent but... it would be good to tick this off - https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/unity-system-compositor/add-display-config-option/+merge/262110/comments/665431
[09:04] <greyback> alan_g: will get to it today
[09:04] <alan_g> thanks
[11:44] <dandrader> anpok_, about unity8 hiding USC cursor: the API you pointed me to, mir_surface_configure_cursor, works on a client MirSurface. But unity8, being a nested server, has a mir::graphics::DisplayBuffer instead
[11:44] <dandrader> anpok_, So I don't know how to get a MirSurface out of a mir::graphics::DisplayBuffer
[11:52] <dandrader> anpok_, hmm... will try out mir::Server::the_cursor()->hide()
[11:57] <anpok_> yeah that would be the nested cursor object
[12:08] <dandrader> anpok_, calling "the_cursor()->hide();" gives me a "pure virtual method called" exception :(
[12:11] <dandrader> anpok_, in in mir::graphics::mesa::Cursor::hide() (this=0xc3d220) at /home/dandrader/mir/0.14+mouse/src/platforms/mesa/server/kms/cursor.cpp:224
[12:11] <anpok_> o_O
[12:12] <dandrader> anpok_, maybe the cursor part doesn't know it's running as a nested server
[12:12] <anpok_> yes it should instantiate mir::graphics::nested::Cursor
[12:12] <kdub> nested seems to return a nullptr hardware cursor
[12:14] <kdub> oh, but the the_cursor shouldn't call that... so if you're calling mg::Display::cursor(), you get a nullptr, but if you're calling the_cursor(), you get mgn::Cursor
[12:14] <kdub> strange
[12:15] <dandrader> kdub, I called the_cursor() from mir::Server
[12:17] <dandrader> anpok_, ahhh... sorry. I'm running qtmir from my test laptop, so there's no USC there of course. It's not nested in this case :)
[12:18] <dandrader> anpok_, but that should still be the API I should use to hide the mir cursor, right?
[12:18] <greyback_> dandrader: if not nested, there should be a hardware cursor. Not sure if that hooked into mg::Cursor
[12:19] <dandrader> greyback_, from the looks for the stack trace, it seems to be
[12:19] <dandrader> s/for/of
[12:19] <anpok_> dandrader: yes and both the kms and the nested server should properly react to hide()
[12:19] <anpok_> -server +cursor
[12:19] <anpok_> so there is something clearly wrong
[13:18] <kgunn> anpok_: so what's up with the comment on the citrain dashboard for silo 11 about no xorg-xserver found ?
[13:18] <kgunn> anpok_: also, is that silo ready for testing ?
[13:19] <dandrader> anpok_, problem was that I was calling the_cursor->hide() on MirServer constructor. Doing it much later works fine
[13:22] <greyback_> dandrader: probably safest place to put it is MirServer::add_init_callback
[13:23] <dandrader> greyback_, thanks will try that
[13:33] <dandrader> greyback_, it worked :)
[13:34] <greyback_> dandrader: you sound surprised :D "Wow Gerry got something right"
[13:35] <dandrader> hehehe
[13:35] <greyback_> dandrader: you see I had 1 comment on mirSurface, but an otherwise hapy
[13:35] <greyback_> am otherwise happy
[13:36] <dandrader> greyback_, ok, I think I know where that might be coming from
[13:48] <dandrader> greyback_, fixed
[13:48] <greyback_> dandrader: sweet
[13:48] <greyback_> dandrader: I need to check the unity8 bit, then it's all approved
[13:48] <greyback_> and I hope to have my multimon branch updated to your comments today
[13:49] <dandrader> greyback_, ok. I'll base the cursor stuff on top of mirSurface
[14:09] <kgunn> vogons does anyone know what's up with silo 11 ?
[14:10] <ogra_> someone read a vogonic poem to it and it imploded ?
[14:18] <anpok_> that or the xorg-server source package in there still confuses the silo
[14:19] <anpok_> i plan to mark as tested in a bit
[14:19] <anpok_> i hope that state is resolvable
[14:25] <kgunn> anpok_: ta, do we need any other eyes on it for testing ?
[14:26] <anpok_> well .. the way you spelled that *we* implies that the only possible answer is yes?
[14:26] <guest42345> um... there is something wrong... i can run gedit on mir server without a problem but in windowed mode it crashes unity when clicking on the menu (wily)
[14:26] <anpok_> i am currently handling the AP tests.. and i havent found a failure that wasnt in the vanilla image - and I had a run through our manual tests on krillin
[14:44] <greyback_> anpok_: I was being pinged by CI people about that last night. They considered it an error condition, maybe you should ask them to see what is wrong and if it's fixable?
[14:45] <anpok_> yes pinged back a few times already
[15:42] <alf_> join #ubuntu-ci-eng
[17:36] <mcphail> bschaefer: got your ping about your new SDL branch. Very exciting! Does this require a more modern version of Mir than the one shipped with vivid on the phone?
[17:50] <bschaefer> mcphail, yeah it requires at lease 0.14 (possibly 0.15)
[17:51] <mcphail> bschaefer: ok. Cheers. Look forward to playing with it when the phone catches up!
[17:51] <bschaefer> mcphail, cool thanks for testing!
[17:54] <mcphail> thanks to you for your hard work
[18:14] <kenvandine> greyback_, any idea when the mouse and touchpad settings API will be worked on
[18:15] <greyback_> kenvandine: nope, sorry
[18:17] <greyback_> kenvandine: it's not high on our list atm, you need to ping maybe kgunn to get it more effort
[18:19] <kenvandine> ok, i had asked bfiller to bring it up in the stake holders meeting
[18:19] <kenvandine> but he's on holiday right now
[18:22] <greyback_> ah, we just had that meet. Sorry, I should've thought to invite you
[18:23] <kgunn> greyback_: might be a good one for dednick....
[18:24] <greyback_> true
[18:28] <bschaefer> mcphail, o also i think i hacked the configure.in and never actually fixed it correctly (ill look at that now but fyi it wont try to compile the mir backend atm)
[20:04]  * bschaefer update the config