[12:40] <giangy> hi manchicken, seele, lnxkde
[12:41] <manchicken> Howdy
[12:41] <Riddell> bdmurray: pong
[12:41] <Daskreech> Riddell: ping
[12:42] <Riddell> ...
[12:42] <Daskreech> Riddell: :)
[12:42] <Riddell> honk
[12:42] <Daskreech> How do you invoke the update manager ?
[12:42] <Riddell> follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[12:43] <Daskreech> Suppose that does not work?
[12:43] <bdmurray> Riddell: sometimes the kpowermanager applet becomes undocked from the systray have you seen a bug about that?
[12:43] <Riddell> which part does't work?
[12:43] <Riddell> bdmurray: I have not
[12:43] <Daskreech> Ah
[12:43] <Daskreech> update-manager -d
[12:43] <Daskreech> Not that part
[12:43] <Riddell> that's ubuntu
[12:44] <Daskreech> well some people delayed upgrading
[12:44] <bdmurray> it happens with adept too
[12:45] <Daskreech> When they were ready they couldn't find out how to get the upgrade prompt
[12:55] <Riddell> Daskreech: the upgrade prompt went away when the packages in feisty-proposed went away, but you can run the tool manually as now described by that help page
[12:56] <Riddell> bdmurray: does this happen spontaniously or on startup?
[12:58] <giangy> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/ibiblio-announce/2007-April/000174.html mh.
[12:58] <bdmurray> Riddell: sometimes after logging in
[01:14] <Riddell> hi Arby, thanks for doing the testing today
[01:14] <Arby> no probs
[01:14] <Arby> since your here I have a question
[01:14] <yuriy> bdmurray: with beryl??
[01:14] <Riddell> bdmurray: I'm entirely unsure, there shouldn't be any recent changes in that systray code
[01:14] <Arby> Riddell: doing an erase disk install I've just hit bug #99908
[01:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 99908 in ubiquity "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99908
[01:15] <Arby> Riddell: exact same symptoms just now
[01:15] <Arby> I've tried the fix suggested by Colin Watson but it isn't working this time
[01:16] <Arby> Riddell: does that constitute a show stopper?
[01:17] <Riddell> Arby: wibble, not sure
[01:17] <Riddell> Arby: heno did say that erase disk worked for him
[01:18] <Arby> Riddell: yes I saw that
[01:18] <Riddell> I can't go around erasing any of my hard disks alas
[01:18] <Riddell> Arby: do you have scsi disks?
[01:18] <Arby> I'm happy to try stuff if you can make any guesses
[01:18] <Arby> Riddell: yes
[01:18] <Riddell> maybe that's the issue
[01:19] <Riddell> probably cjwatson can help more than I can
[01:19] <Arby> OK I'll try and find him in #ubuntu-devel.
[01:20] <Riddell> he'll be asleep just now
[01:20] <Arby> ah, yes.
[01:20] <Riddell> you could install ubiquity-frontend-gtk and see if that works or not
[01:21] <Arby> I can try, I didn't know I could install while running a liveCD.
[01:21] <Riddell> should be able to
[01:21] <Riddell> if you have a good amount of swap
[01:22] <Arby> I'll give it a go
[01:22] <Arby> should I comment on the existing bug or file a new one.
[01:22] <Riddell> existing one
[01:22] <Arby> OK
[02:19] <flaccid> is it ok if you get rid of !baddevice / wacom ?
[02:20] <flaccid> please
[02:23] <Riddell> no, people want to use tablets
[02:23] <flaccid> then write a detection or something
[02:25] <Riddell> patches welcome
[02:25] <flaccid> i don't have the ability
[02:25] <flaccid> its stuff like this that for new users makes kubuntu look bad
[02:26] <Riddell> it would look worse if their graphics tablet didn't work
[02:26] <flaccid> like i said write a script
[02:26] <jjesse> wow i was wondering why you were up so late :)
[02:26] <flaccid> i would but i dont have the ability
[02:26] <flaccid> other operating systems don't have a problem handling this transparently
[02:27] <firephoto> # Change to  # /dev/input/event   # for USB  heh, it looks like it takes some manual user interaction anyway unless you have some really old hardware.
[02:32] <flaccid> for example i've been helping in #kubuntu for over a year now. i've helped people that with the wacom issue at least over a 100 times
[02:33] <flaccid> it gets in the way of a lot of things. new users think they have errors or they package install failed. some have even gone to the extent of a reinstall to try to fix it.
[02:34] <flaccid> "this is just so people who have wacom tablets can use them"
[02:35] <flaccid> "wtf does that have to do with me, this is not a wacom tablet"
[02:35] <flaccid> :)
[02:45] <ArtMoonik> hello, I have some problems with my Feisty, konqueror and kopete don't work
[02:45] <ArtMoonik> it means that konqueror can't access at any http sites
[02:46] <ArtMoonik> whereas I can browse my ftp
[02:47] <ArtMoonik> firefox works for the sames sites where konqueror doesn't
[02:57] <jjesse> its been awhile since i download a kubuntu cd, but is there a reason that it is now just a dvd and not a cd?
[02:59] <flaccid> i guess you guys are asleep. i'm sure you'll read my messages and action when you are awake :)
[03:05] <stdin> jjesse: there are CDs and a DVD
[03:06] <jjesse> stdin: must have missed it at relases.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <dandel> jjesse, hey know which person maintains the us mirrors, because it's missing some of hte dev and debug packages completely... lol.
[03:08] <jjesse> dandel: no i don't
[03:09] <stdin> dandel: that info should be on launchpad somewhere
[03:12] <ScottK> The US mirrors are pretty notorius for being unreliable.
[03:14] <ScottK> There are other mirrors - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !staff is <reply> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[05:17] <ubotu> But staff already means something else!
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !no staff is <reply> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[05:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about staff yet, Hobbsee
[05:17] <Hobbsee> damned bot
[05:18] <Jucato> lol
[05:18] <Jucato> !-staff
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <Jucato> O.o
[05:19] <Hobbsee> it's broken
[05:19] <Jucato> break it even more!
[05:19] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sebas: ping?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> sebas: we appear to have borken icons for your newest upload of g-p-m
[05:47] <Hobbsee> it's showing as charging, yet the tooltip (which is correct) says the battery has about 35%
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[06:31] <manchicken> I never noticed anybody telling me not to put the sorting stuff back into adept.
[06:31] <manchicken> Does anybody know why it was disabled?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[06:37] <Hobbsee> we appear ot have icon botchups...yay
[06:38] <nixternal> hey, is there anything new for the RC tomorrow?
[06:38] <Jucato> and with just 8 days to go :)
[06:38] <nixternal> or please tell me that the RC is being pushed back a day or 2
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the big freeze is tomorrow
[06:38] <Hobbsee> apparently
[06:38] <Jucato> ah well... *apparently* :D
[06:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-April/023552.html is the thing i've heard
[06:38] <nixternal> hrmm, I need to go through the commits
[06:39] <nixternal> I have been so busy I have almost forgot about them
[06:39] <nixternal> what do you mean by that?
[06:40] <nixternal> I am working on the PHP for the release notes now
[06:40] <Jucato> a sort of compilation of the major changes in Feisty
[06:40] <Jucato> feature changes, that is... like compiling the changes mentioned since Herd 1
[06:40] <nixternal> oh, hmm, maybe I can add a link to a txt file displaying all the changes, or make up a wiki page to do that
[06:40] <Hobbsee> err.....this si not good
[06:41] <Jucato> nixternal: for now... that would probably be ok :)
[06:41] <Jucato> but maybe in the future, we could put it in the main docs as well for offline reading
[06:41] <Jucato> (who knows, maybe I'll be able to help in feisty+1 :D)
[06:46] <nixternal> hey, please tell me that when I build the next docs package with all translations it will be able to get in before release
[06:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i would assume so...
[06:47] <nixternal> whew, I hope so. I am hoping to have a package with some translations this week. This has been a horrible translation release for Kubuntu-docs
[06:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i cant either
[06:49] <Jucato> ah but you do packaging... maybe I'll feel better when I can really do something more than just user support :D
[06:49] <Hobbsee> user support's also very useful :P
[06:49] <Jucato> oh yes... but it's getting monotonous for me (and that's not good...)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> indeed.  why do you think i stopped doing it?
[06:50] <Jucato> hehe :P
[06:50] <giangy> 'morning
[06:51] <nixternal> Kernel (2.6.20-14), K3b (1.0), OpenOffice.org (2.2.0), and Guidance
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hi giangy
[06:51] <nixternal> those seem like 4 good updates to talk about for this set of release notes
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm sure there's more :P
[06:51] <nixternal> well, I just went from 3/23 until today
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: new basket, maybe, but that's in universe
[06:51] <Hobbsee> ahh
[06:51] <nixternal> and those stood out
[06:52] <nixternal> ya, I kind of went for Main
[06:52] <nixternal> I will fill it with content tomorrow
[06:53] <nixternal> So, I have the website release notes to do, wiki release notes for RC to do, and translations for Kubuntu docs to do
[06:53] <nixternal> this should be fun, and done by Sunday!
[06:53] <nixternal> OK, for feisty+1, it is time to get into more dev work
[06:53] <Jucato> hm... I guess the 3 nvidia drivers wouldn't be put into the release notes (for Kubuntu)
[06:53] <nixternal> getting to do some c++ triage with KTorrent just wasn't enough to satisfy my hunger
[06:54] <nixternal> I actually got to fix a security whole from Breezy to Feisty
[06:54] <Jucato> a whole security? wow!
[06:54] <nixternal> heh
[06:54] <Jucato> !info kdar edgy
[06:54] <ubotu> kdar: archive data to disc. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1268 kB, installed size 2212 kB
[06:54] <nixternal> you had me reread my sentence
[06:54] <Jucato> :D
[06:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: any ideas about kdar on feisty?
[06:54] <nixternal> it isn't there?
[06:54] <Jucato> nope
[06:54] <nixternal> I just looked, what exactly is it?
[06:55] <Jucato> !info kdar feisty
[06:55] <ubotu> Package kdar does not exist in feisty
[06:55] <Jucato> a backup utility, more advanced than Keep I think
[06:55] <nixternal> sounds like it would be a KDE Wifi Radar
[06:55] <nixternal> orly
[06:55] <nixternal> nothing is more advanced than crontab and svn :)
[06:55] <Jucato> hahah :)
[06:56] <Jucato> s/svn/git or s/svn/bzr
[06:56] <Jucato> http://kdar.sourceforge.net/
[06:58] <nixternal> I have a script that does 'ls -al --sort=time'. That will then compare the list of dates to the last known backup and if it is different, it gets copied to /bkup and then it will cd /bkup && svn commit -m "date"
[06:58] <nixternal> it works every now and then, it still needs way more tweaking
[06:58] <nixternal> I haven't figured out how to just branch ~/
[06:59] <nixternal> so then crontab will just have to cd /home/nixternal/ && svn commit -m "date"
[06:59] <nixternal> but then again I don't know if anyone has
[06:59] <nixternal> I know there is either a spec for the timebased backups of ~/ kind of like the MS rollback feature
[07:01] <Jucato> nixternal: seen http://kitenet.net/~joey/svnhome/ or http://toykeeper.net/tutorials/svnhome ?
[07:03] <fdoving> Jucato: not recommended for ~ maybe docs/ - you need to svn add all new files etc. not very nice.
[07:03] <Jucato> ah.. hm... :)
[07:04] <fdoving> I use rdiff-backup and backupninja, it's simple and good enought for me.
[07:04] <fdoving> on my laptop/desktop systems that is.
[07:07] <ScottK> nixternal: For the release notes, I know a fair amount about mail server related stuff that's changed.  Do you need any inputs for that?
[07:10] <fdoving> whoha.. what's making a "jungle-drum" sound?
[07:11] <Jucato> O.o
[07:11] <fdoving> it's a sound effect of soem program.. almost scared me to death.
[07:11] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:11] <yuriy> doesn't ubuntu have jungle sound effects? or was that just something during edgy dev?
[07:11] <Jucato> ubuntu's default startup sound
[07:11] <Jucato> but definitely nothing scary :)
[07:12] <fdoving> Jucato: i (belived i) had all sounds off.
[07:12] <Jucato> oooh jungle drums and unexplained phenomena... sounds like voodoo :)
[07:12] <yuriy> i finally got around to turning off the annoying error sounds
[07:13] <yuriy> p.s. those are really annoying
[07:13] <fdoving> jungledrums early in the morning can be scary.
[07:14] <fdoving> totaly agree. might be ok if your volume is very very low. mine isn't.
[07:14] <fdoving> well.. prepare for work. bye.
[07:15] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm going to be, but I'll read the scrollback if you want inputs.
[08:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: kdar is broken beyond repair.  doesnt exist
[08:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: aaah oh... umm... ok :)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: didnt acutally build with the version of dar in the repos
[08:19] <Jucato> heh ok... not really an important thing for me. just remembered that there was someone asking about it months ago
[08:19] <Jucato> and that I came across the name of the app while doing my backup searching :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, Lotusleaf
[08:20] <Jucato> aaah
[08:20] <Jucato> my memory fails me again :)
[08:21] <Jucato> and soon my hearing too! :D
[10:36] <Tonio_> hi
[10:36] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[10:37] <Jucato> hi Tonio_ :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping
[10:38] <Tonio_> hey Jucato
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news for me and kubuntu, you should read your email :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm waiting for Riddell to read before announcing here :)
[10:47] <Jucato> ah ok ehhehe :)
[10:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: bonjour
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: ca va ?
[10:48] <Jucato> ooh he's there :)
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: /me is in a very good news ;)
[10:49] <Jucato> heheh
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[10:49] <Jucato> wonder if the Gutsy Gibbon will make Tonio_ happier :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: no way!
[10:50] <Jucato> lol! so I guess you've read it :D
[10:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: to make it simple, I'll be in a few days the second person paid to work on kubuntu
[10:50] <Jucato> w00t!!!!!
[10:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: not by canonical, but by linagora
[10:50] <Riddell> Jucato: hey, how do you know that?
[10:50] <Jucato> Riddell: motu? :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> 40% of my working time will be dedicated to kubuntu, based at home :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> thanks :)
[10:52] <Tonio_> I was so affraid not to have time to contrib once I get a new job......
[10:52] <Tonio_> that happened to raphink, imbrandon etc....
[10:52] <Tonio_> I must have a lot of chance
[10:52] <Jucato> heh now you won't have to worry! it's the perfect job! :D
[10:52] <Tonio_> yup :)
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do you do the other 60%?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: various work for linagora
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: including working on the migration to kubuntu for the french parliament
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: that also might help kubuntu too
[10:53] <kwwii> Tonio_: congrats man! you deserved it
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: for example I had to patch kaffeine for gstreamer 0.10 compatiblity
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll also be added to kubuntu for gutsy
[10:54] <raphink> Tonio_: heh! I do contrib... Not as much but still ;)
[10:54] <raphink> all the things I patch here I contrib to Debian or upstream
[10:54] <Tonio_> raphink: but you lack time, that's what I ment
[10:54] <raphink> :p
[10:54] <Jucato> :)
[10:55] <Tonio_> I'll have the chance to have enough time to continue the way I did before
[10:55] <Tonio_> kwwii: thanks :)
[10:55] <raphink> :)
[10:55] <raphink> Tonio_: la paie en plus
[10:55] <Tonio_> raphink: euh, waip :)
[10:55] <Jucato> oooh here they go again :D
[10:56] <raphink> who goes what?
[10:56] <Jucato> the french talk :)
[10:57] <Tonio_> raphink: je sais pas pourquoi, mais il semblerait que Jucato adore lire du franais :)
[10:57] <raphink> at least I know Linagora has made the best choice for their migration
[10:57] <raphink> I was wondering who they would hire for this great work
[10:57] <raphink> and they couldn't choose wiser
[10:57] <raphink> on dirait bien Tonio_
[10:58] <Tonio_> raphink: thanks :)
[10:58] <Jucato> great choice, great work, great employee :)
[11:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_, hehe i still contrib , just not on irc as much :)
[11:13] <raphink> :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> moins kwwii , Riddell , raphink :)
[11:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: as I said to raphink, I ment "not as much time as they had before" ;)
[11:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:13] <raphink> hi imbrandon, kwwii & Riddell too
[11:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sorry if I wasn't clear :)
[11:13] <kwwii> hi guys
[11:13] <raphink> Tonio_: sure, I had much more time when I didn't work
[11:14] <imbrandon> Tonio_, np, i was just teasin ya a bit
[11:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe
[11:14] <raphink> but I couldn't pay for my own flat ;)
[11:14] <imbrandon> Tonio_, actualy 3rd though, GSI pays me to work on {k}ubuntu too ( 20% of my time )
[11:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: oh ! didn't knew that :)
[11:15] <Tonio_> cool
[11:15] <imbrandon> ( like i'm actualy at work right now working on some ubuntu stuff hehe )
[11:15] <raphink> great :)
[11:15] <Jucato> :D
[11:17] <imbrandon> btw kwwii did i tell you how much i absolutely love the kubuntu feisty uspalsh ?
[11:17] <kwwii> imbrandon: good to hear that :-)
[11:17] <imbrandon> that image alone converted 2 co-workers at home to kubuntu :)
[11:18] <Jucato> wow! the power of good artwork!
[11:18] <raphink> yep :)
[11:18] <kwwii> gutsy should be even better
[11:18] <imbrandon> it was vista or kubuntu, that usplash + beryl did the trick :)
[11:18] <Jucato> kwwii: you'll still be on board for gutsy right? :D
[11:19] <Jucato> ooh beryl :D
[11:19] <kwwii> Jucato: looks like it
[11:19] <raphink> did you guys see the beryl+touchscreen video?
[11:19] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea the bane of my existance right now
[11:19] <imbrandon> raphink, yea
[11:19] <raphink> it rocks
[11:19] <Jucato> was that beryl or compiz? anyway, yeah it rocks! :)
[11:19] <imbrandon> it is slick
[11:20] <larsivi> I'm testing out the next Xorg release (due to bad old intel driver)- how can I make kdm/kde use Xorg from some other prefix (/usr/local in mycase)
[11:20] <imbrandon> hrm, probably have to modify your path and kdmrc
[11:21] <imbrandon> not sure 100%
[11:26] <larsivi> hmm, ok, must try :P
[11:26] <Tonio_> raphink: url to the video ?
[11:27] <raphink> atta
[11:27] <raphink> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk
[11:28] <raphink> aprs il y en a d'autres
[11:29] <raphink> genre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azWRN4kwUGo
[11:30] <raphink> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LQwLG3HCMM&mode=related&search=
[11:30] <raphink> this one is nice
[11:32] <Jucato> oooh very nice
[11:32] <Tonio_> hum, is the monitor shiped with a cleaning kit ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> I wonder how much fat on the screen at the end of the day
[11:34] <Jucato> heheh
[11:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, lol
[11:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no eating dinnner at the computer :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I already played with such screens......; nightmare to get them clean
[11:44] <imbrandon> that would be cool if laptop displays were touchscreen
[11:45] <ben^> hi, does anybody know, when the 7.04 release candidate images will be available today?
[11:45] <imbrandon> ben^, no specific time
[11:45] <imbrandon> just when they are done(ish)
[11:45] <ben^> ok, thx
[11:47] <Jucato> if they are done today :)
[11:59] <allee> Tonio_: is digikam upload postponed to after RC?  Bug 102912
[12:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 102912 in digikam "newest caching algorithm patch broke image editor" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102912
[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: no will do today, I wasn't available yesterday as I was in paris
[12:03] <Tonio_> allee: but that's on my today plans
[12:03] <allee> Tonio_: k. no problem  Thx.
[12:04] <imbrandon> seems like the release schedule is all about gnome , no care for when KDE is released, thats why we always run into problems *groans*
[12:04] <Jucato> :(
[12:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there shouldn't be a kde release in that dev cycle
[12:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no 3.5.7 planed afaik
[12:05] <imbrandon> i know but still
[12:05] <Jucato> the fact that KDE doesn't have a predictable dev cycle doesn't help either :(
[12:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: +1
[12:28] <Riddell> kwwii: there's no test results from you on isotesting
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm about to upload digikam, closing an important issue
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you approve ?
[12:29] <kwwii> Riddell: right, downloading an iso now
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: Bug 102912
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, although mention it to mithrandir too
[12:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 102912 in digikam "newest caching algorithm patch broke image editor" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102912
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: pointing out that it's not critical for a release candidate or herd 6
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: sad its too late to upload kaffeine with gstreamer 0.10 support
[12:30] <Riddell> way too late
[12:33] <Tonio__> grmpf.......
[12:33] <Tonio__> I already said that, guidance-power-manager should insult the user when the battery level goes to zero
[12:33] <Tonio__> not enought warning in my opinion :) I just ran out of battery :)
[12:39] <Jucato> aaah... I will be experiencing the joys and pains of power manager/saving very soon :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> allee: digikam uploaded, mithrandir will approve
[12:58] <Tonio_> hum, PalmOS switching to linux :) intereting news :)
[01:00] <allee> Tonio_: great. Thx!
[01:03] <jsgotangco> Tonio_: i don't think its Access-initiative though, but Palm's previous effort bearing fruit now
[01:03] <Tonio_> jsgotangco: sure
[01:09] <larsivi> do anyone know if xorg snapshots are made into ubuntu debs? I see they are in debian experimental
[01:14] <Riddell> not by default they aren't
[01:15] <larsivi> no, I guessed that, more wondered if anyone had ventured to do it - I'm running it directly from git atm - but would rather not do that for too long
[01:26] <Riddell> imbrandon or anyone: know what compiz-kde does these days?
[01:26] <imbrandon> hrm
[01:26] <imbrandon> not sure on the compiz side but i can find out
[01:27] <imbrandon> on the beryl side its a meta package
[01:28] <imbrandon> Riddell, it will probably be largely replaced by kdwm ( sp? ) from davidr/compiz
[01:28] <imbrandon> its all kinda in shambles right now with the merge happening
[01:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, btw , why is there only alternate kubuntu daily ?
[01:30] <Riddell> erm, why is there a new alternate is the real question
[01:30] <imbrandon> heh
[01:44] <MidMark> fdoving: which solution at the end you used for patching usb safely remove bug?
[01:44] <MidMark> I'm Cimmo :)
[01:45] <Riddell> mhb: dude! http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html
[01:50] <Riddell> abattoir: got any summer of code tips for mhb?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey all
[01:52] <abattoir> hi Riddell!
[01:52] <abattoir> hi Hobbsee, too :)
[01:52] <abattoir> mhb: Congrats!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir
[01:53] <abattoir> hmm... tips...
[01:53] <Hobbsee> sebas: here yet?
[02:00] <Tonio_> fdoving: ping ?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you test out that powermanager fix that you uploaded?
[02:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, or at least it didn't break anything for me
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when my laptop is discharging, i get the "full battery charging" icon
[02:04] <Hobbsee> correct tooltip, with the correct icon on the tooltip
[02:04] <Hobbsee> but the icon on kicker is botched.
[02:10] <Riddell> my machines aren't on feisty just now so I can't confirm yet
[02:10] <Hobbsee> right
[02:11] <Riddell> kwwii: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/  your specs are not yet marked as implemented, don't you care about karma?!
[02:11] <kwwii> Riddell: hehe, didn't even think about it :-)
[02:16] <kwwii> Riddell: now they are , thanks for the reminder
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems various forums-type people are confirming that, too
[02:54] <nixternal> OK, Gutsy Gibbon...I don't know what to say
[02:54] <Jucato> :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmm...trippy
[02:54] <Hobbsee> this si *seriously* broken
[02:54] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406166
[02:57] <Hobbsee> it's not showing the time remaining either - only fully charged
[02:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: poke sebas
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: have been, as soon as i found it.  he's not been here
[02:59] <Hobbsee> or when he was, i was at wrok
[03:00] <Jucato> he hasn't been here (iirc)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> [23:00]  [Whois]  sebas has been idle for 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 27 seconds.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> so he obviously was somewhere
[03:01] <Jucato> :)
[03:01] <Jucato> he also posted something on his blog..so he might have been online somewhere :)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I confirm, it's broken
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[03:08] <Jucato> cool that it's broken or cool that it's confirmed? :D
[03:09] <Hobbsee> the latter :P
[03:09] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> it's unsettling that it's broken
[03:09] <Hobbsee> and flights confirmed.  yay :)
[03:09] <Jucato> yay!
[03:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how many hours travelling?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: too many
[03:10] <Hobbsee> [22:58]  <elkbuntu> now, let me calculate time
[03:10] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <elkbuntu> 35 hrs for me
[03:10] <Hobbsee> [23:01]  <elkbuntu> shold still be 32 for you
[03:10] <Hobbsee> it seems
[03:10] <Riddell> take a good book
[03:10] <nixternal> wow!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> and talk ot elky.  yes
[03:10] <nixternal> there is no way on earth I would be in the air that darn long
[03:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you have to fly 8 or so hours to get anywhere useful
[03:11] <nixternal> I hate being higher than 10' anyways
[03:11] <Hobbsee> but it's broken up into sections....
[03:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I didn't realize that either
[03:11] <nixternal> that is odd, I don't remember flying that long when we went to Australia a few years back
[03:11] <Jucato> 35 hours?!?!
[03:13] <Riddell> nixternal: you don't live in europe
[03:13] <nixternal> not yet at least!
[03:13] <nixternal> but if my x-wife has her way, we will next year
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i count 29 hours
[03:14] <nixternal> ya, she said we flew for 26 hours from D.C. to Australia
[03:14] <Hobbsee> going back might be longer
[03:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I hear there is a large Greek population in Sydney, if you run into um, careful they are seudo-in-laws ;p
[03:16] <nixternal> hola kwwii
[03:17] <kwwii> howdy nixternal
[03:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?
[03:17] <nixternal> interesting
[03:17] <nixternal> I was asked the same when I was down there
[03:17] <nixternal> I am like nah, I am just a hillbilly for the states
[03:18] <nixternal> s/for/from
[03:18] <kwwii> Riddell: one question: if the live-cd only finds one wireless network (and that is the only network to at all) shouldn't it pick it by default?
[03:18] <nixternal> my spelling is getting worse every day
[03:18] <ben^> does the ubuntu installer support dmraid?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm jealous.   living in europe would be fun
[03:18] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I want to live in either Greece or Spain
[03:19] <nixternal> my x-wife was raised all over Euripe, so she loves it, and visiting it, I love it
[03:19] <nixternal> see, I did it again
[03:19] <nixternal> s/Euripe/Europe
[03:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice :)
[03:19] <nixternal> I seriously thing I had a seizure or something recently. I am switching letters all of the time, but only on IRC
[03:20] <nixternal> IRC Difingerfumbling Disorder
[03:20] <nixternal> IDD, I have it!
[03:21] <nixternal> s/thing/think/ ^^
[03:21] <Hobbsee> 26 hours, 15 mins coming back
[03:21] <nixternal> grrr
[03:22] <nixternal> that sounds about the same for us to Australia
[03:26] <nixternal> A great book that I am in the process of reading, William Faulkner, As I Lay Dying
[03:26] <nixternal> I tried to read the original book, but it was tough, so I have the edited text version, which they claim is Faulkner on training wheels, still a tough read at times, but a masterpiece in literature and philosophy I think
[03:28] <kwwii> Riddell: if you don't answer I won't fill out the web-form ;-)
[03:30] <Riddell> kwwii: goodness knows, network manager's behavious is a bit of a mystery
[03:30] <kwwii> Riddell: well, it was still available and it worked when selected, but for a newbie that would be impossible to find
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know if nixternal's langpacks got in, which he was talking about yesterday?
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: never heard of them
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, documentation.  not langpacks
[03:34] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I am waiting for a more complete translation first, I will do them this weekend
[03:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ahh.   not sur ehow soon you need them done by
[03:35] <nixternal> hrmm, it seems today
[03:35] <nixternal> ouch
[03:37] <nixternal> and the great thing is, I can't even get into LP to download them
[03:38] <kwwii> Riddell: I added that as a note to the ISO-testing page (and now I have fulfilled my obligation)
[03:39] <mhb> yaaah!!!
[03:39] <mhb> :o)
[03:40] <mhb> Riddell: thanks so much for the good news!!!
[03:40] <TheInfinity> hello ... has someone heard from a bug with font paths in vncserver packages?
[03:40] <TheInfinity> because ... i set the font paths to the right value in vnc.conf
[03:40] <TheInfinity> and vncserver just ignore them
[03:42] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[03:42] <Hobbsee> vnc?  not kubuntu specific.  try #ubuntu+1
[03:42] <Hobbsee> or maybe #ubuntu-motu
[03:42] <Hobbsee> and check the bugtracker
[04:08] <allee> nixternal: about translations.  Would it make still sense to patch into digikam latest translations from kde svn?
[04:09] <nixternal> it makes sense to me, however I don't know about doing those translations. like I don't know if what is current in SVN may be off sync with what we currently have in the repos
[04:14] <mhb> allee: translations will be closed at 23:00 UTC
[04:14] <mhb> allee: upload any .po file before 18:00 and it will get in
[04:14] <mhb> allee: after that use the online tool
[04:14] <nixternal> LP is garbage!
[04:14] <nixternal> mark my word on that at this point in time
[04:14] <allee> mhb: uhm, that's tights.  Nevertheless thx!
[04:14] <allee> nixternal: heh, I will not use rosetta for sure.
[04:14] <nixternal> I need 2 more files and LP keeps choking
[04:14] <nixternal> I know they aren't doing work on it during the final day before freeze
[04:17] <jsgotangco> translations direct upstream always has its advantages
[04:17] <nixternal> we need to rethink our translation process for sure
[04:17] <nixternal> OMG DIE LAUNCHPAD
[04:17] <nixternal> I have 1 more translation download and it keeps choking
[04:17] <jsgotangco> no one's forcing you to use it for translations :)
[04:18] <nixternal> jsgotangco: umm yes they are for docs unfortunately
[04:18] <jsgotangco> yay
[04:18] <nixternal> KDE does a damn good job, as does GNOME with the way they do their
[04:18] <nixternal> s
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya
[04:19] <mhb> nixternal: well, I'd disagree
[04:19] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:19] <jsgotangco> well you *are* upstream at the moment
[04:19] <nixternal> mhb: with what?
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:20] <mhb> nixternal: depends if you're talking about translation systems or not :o)
[04:20] <mhb> nixternal: if not then I'm just a confused fellow
[04:22] <nixternal> well our system is good...but it isn't great, is slow, and now with Kubuntu docs, lets just say a good 50% or more won't be translated because nobody worked on them
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: yes, it is slow
[04:23] <jsgotangco> nixternal: NO PONY FOR YOU
[04:23] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: NO PONY OR MONKEY FOR YOU
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: but on the other hand KDE is quite translated here because SUSE pays people to do just that
[04:23] <mhb> nixternal: Novell, more exactly
[04:23] <Hobbsee> please tell me we arent duplicating work translating kde then
[04:24] <jsgotangco> yeah that would be terrible terrible
[04:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: we shouldn't be
[04:24] <mhb> no
[04:24] <Tonio_> anyone here already tried peazip ?
[04:24] <nixternal> Tonio_: yes
[04:24] <nixternal> it is pretty cool
[04:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: good
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[04:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: yep
[04:24] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> peazip?  *looks it up*
[04:24] <nixternal> I have to have a zip app for school on my windows box
[04:24] <nixternal> it is free and it works with everything
[04:24] <mhb> nixternal: with the little time for the doc translations, you could expect something like that
[04:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: looks like more complete ark is.......
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: link?
[04:25] <nixternal> Tonio_: that is exactly what it reminds me of
[04:25] <Jucato> ooh something better than ark?!?! :D
[04:25] <mhb> nixternal: but you can't blame people for not doing their work
[04:25] <mhb> nixternal: as translators
[04:25] <nixternal> sure I can
[04:25] <mhb> nixternal: ok, I take the blame
[04:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: on kde-apps
[04:25] <mhb> :o)
[04:25] <nixternal> if they don't do their work, then they are to blame :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: is there a qt/kde frontend ?
[04:25] <nixternal> mhb: it is all your fault then!!! :p
[04:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: only gtk references here
[04:26] <Tonio_> nixternal: although it is on kde-apps
[04:26] <nixternal> Tonio_: I haven't looked..ya gtk is all I have seen
[04:26] <nixternal> orly
[04:26] <nixternal> I can't remember how I found it
[04:26] <jsgotangco> one lazy sunday afternoon i bet
[04:27] <Tonio_> hum qt version is in the work....
[04:27] <Tonio_> we'll have to wait :)
[04:28] <nixternal> cool!
[04:28] <nixternal> alright, seeing as I am late for school, I need to get running really fast :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: we've got a name and a schedule for feisty+1, btw
[04:28] <nixternal> later!
[04:28] <mhb> nixternal: see you
[04:28] <nixternal> Ubuntu 7.10 - Tremendously Tonio
[04:29] <nixternal> oh mhb before I go, IT IS YOUR FAULT ;P
[04:29] <nixternal> hahaha, kthxbye
[04:29] <nixternal> I didn't walk 5' and heard the beep
[04:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're wanted
[04:59] <Jucato> nixternal: have you seen this, might be intersting for you translator types :) http://code.google.com/soc/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=85B77CD7BD8B30B1
[05:06] <superstoned> Riddell: hey, I wonder why there is no link on the kubuntu.org page to http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu as it is a pretty nice and visual overview of what kubuntu is, and such info is lacking from the kubuntu page. Linking to the 'what's new' in the latest kubuntu would be cool too. I wonder when/if kubuntu.org gets some love anyway. not that it's bad, but Ubuntu.com got several remakes since kubuntu.org was build ;-)
[05:18] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[05:37] <dinosaur-rus> updating to udev 108 is dangerous...
[05:43] <fdoving> Tonio_: around?
[05:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: sure :)
[05:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: I just tested your latest solution for the unmount thing
[05:44] <fdoving> Tonio_: the error you get is a d-bus timeout one.
[05:44] <fdoving> got your mails btw.
[05:44] <Tonio_> I still get the error window, wasn't that supposed to be in the unmount dialog ?
[05:44] <fdoving> the solution to your first problem.. mountpoints with spaces is simple.
[05:44] <fdoving> Tonio_: no. i didn't go with that for feisty as it will kill all other possible errors too.
[05:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: maybe I just missunderstood you, I thought you would put the dbus error in the unmount window :)
[05:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: okay
[05:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: works here, but I had a little issue...... when I get the timeout error, the device becomes locked and I cannot access it
[05:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: but I have been able to unmount it, btw
[05:46] <fdoving> Tonio_: ok. there seems to be more issues with this, not just the simple "no umount dialog".
[05:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep, I would suggest to stay with the latest kdebase upload
[05:46] <Daskreech> is it really called gutsy?
[05:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: and eventually work for a better solution for gutsy
[05:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: was that your plan ?
[05:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: yes.
[05:47] <Jucato> Daskreech: yes
[05:47] <fdoving> is it named gutsy?
[05:47] <Jucato> Gutsy Gibbon
[05:47] <Tonio_> I just didn't understood the plan concerning the kernel blobs etc....
[05:48] <Tonio_> will everything be removed from the distro or will that for example be an alternative kernel so that we will be able to easilly "clean" the distro from anything proprietary ?
[05:49] <jsgotangco> like gnewsense perhaps
[05:49] <jsgotangco> or gnewsense itself
[05:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee thinks the latter too
[05:49] <Hobbsee> thta's a good question.  maybe 2 kernels, on that basis
[05:50] <jsgotangco> you'll have lots of laptops running ipw not running at all heh
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntu surely wouldnt get rid of binary blobs by default - mark's not on that much crack.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> everyone on wifi would look for another distro
[05:50] <Hobbsee> well, except the purists, who have already left
[05:50] <jsgotangco> its nice to know this laptop can be purist
[05:51] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you test the new http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_umountwrapper ? does that work with keys with spaces in mountpoint?
[05:52] <dinosaur-rus> can purging the old kernel break something?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: shouldnt do
[05:52] <dinosaur-rus> well
[05:52] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: purging kernels not in use will only free disk space.
[05:53] <Daskreech> Tonio_: You should see the Vista one. The battery just turns red
[05:54] <dinosaur-rus> please change hooks /etc/kernel-img.conf to /usr/sbin/update-grub and get rid of /sbin/update-grub's warnings :)
[05:54] <dinosaur-rus> *hooks in
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i've noticed that
[05:57] <dinosaur-rus> fdoving: is there any way to get list of files not referenced by any package (of course, files in /home, /usr/local, etc. should be ignored :) )?
[05:58] <fdoving> Tonio_: can you, before you safely remove, check 'fuser -vm /dev/device' then safely remove and then directly after getting the error message. check 'fuser -vm /dev/device' again?
[05:59] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: yes. there is. let me just try to find out how.
[06:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: cannot right now, but I'll do toonight, sure
[06:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: sorry but I have things to do outside of ubuntu :)
[06:01] <fdoving> Tonio_: sure, i'm not trying to get this into feisty so it's not time-critical. feedback by e-mail is very nice. :)
[06:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: perfect ;)
[06:02] <asyd> hello Tonio_
[06:02] <asyd> how are you
[06:03] <Tonio_> asyd: perfect ;)
[06:03] <asyd> nice
[06:03] <Tonio_> asyd: I may have a solution to your totem issue
[06:03] <asyd> ah !
[06:03] <fdoving> dinosaur-rus: the package and command is named 'cruft'
[06:04] <dinosaur-rus> fdoving: oh, thanks
[06:05] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[06:58] <nixternal> is Guidance goofed up at all?
[06:58] <nixternal> My battery shows 50% left and at the same time says full charge and now my CPU frequency isn't showing up
[06:59] <Riddell> I believe it is
[06:59] <nixternal> OK
[06:59] <nixternal> I have so much work to do tonight for Kubuntu docs translations
[06:59] <nixternal> to the point I am almost scared
[07:00] <Riddell> what's that?
[07:00] <nixternal> I would say 75% of the translations are broken as they don't properly validate
[07:01] <nixternal> so I have about 1,000 files to go through and test and fix if necessary
[07:01] <nixternal> somehow during translations, xml tags get translated at times as well when they shouldn't...so we have to go through and fix them all
[07:02] <nixternal> once I have them fixed, then comes the task of the last and final kubuntu-docs package containing all translations
[07:02] <nixternal> and the way it looks, it has to be done within the next 6 hours, which I hope is wrong
[07:03] <fdoving> nixternal: anything i can do to help you with those 1000 files?
[07:03] <nixternal> oooh, I forgot you have da powah!
[07:03] <nixternal> you can start rumbling through and fixing validation issues if you would like
[07:03] <nixternal> if not, I will do a script later that will tell me which files to fix and where to fix them
[07:04] <nixternal> that always helps me out when it comes time for this
[07:04] <nixternal> I have done it for Breezy, Dapper, Edgy and now Feisty
[07:04] <fdoving> ok. where are the files at? (i usually don't do translations).
[07:04] <nixternal> they are uploaded in the feisty branch already
[07:04] <nixternal> I went through and converted them all
[07:05] <nixternal> so they are kubuntu/about-kubuntu/country-code
[07:05] <nixternal> /C is good, it is the other counry codes that have the broken validation
[07:05] <nixternal> I seen a lot of <guibutton><guibutton> errors it looks like
[07:06] <nixternal> there is a translog.txt file that shold list all of the files that didn't validate
[07:06] <nixternal> hrmm, the translog.txt makes it look like there was good validation, but I know there wasn't, so I forgot some &>lovi'
[07:08] <fdoving> seems i don't have the correct power.
[07:08] <fdoving> can't find no country-codes.
[07:09] <fdoving> so it's not http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ ?
[07:09] <nixternal> well, it will be like /es, /fr and such
[07:09] <nixternal> it is on the svn server
[07:09] <fdoving> in case there is a svn server, i don't have access to it.
[07:09] <nixternal> oh
[07:09] <nixternal> I thought you had the powah
[07:09] <fdoving> no, only kde powah.
[07:09] <nixternal> no biggy then, it will give me something to do tonight
[07:09] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:09] <nixternal> I love KDE powah
[07:09] <nixternal> but I can't close boogs
[07:09] <nixternal> I can commit, but can't close boogs
[07:10] <fdoving> ah, tell toma. he fixed it for me.
[07:10] <nixternal> rock on, I will
[07:10] <fdoving> good thing you have something to do tonight :)
[07:10] <nixternal> toma: you see that, I need the powah of closing the KDE boogs ;)
[07:10] <nixternal> hehe
[07:11] <toma> nixternal: one sec, i'm eating stoofpeertjes.
[07:12] <nixternal> alrighty then :)
[07:12] <nixternal> rock on, thanks
[07:17] <toma> nixternal: why do you need that powah?
[07:20] <yuriy> Tonio_! that's great news! c'est bon chance!
[07:25] <Tonio_> yuriy: ;)
[07:25] <nixternal> toma: so I can quit bugging others to close bugs once I do a commit that closes them
[07:25] <nixternal> especially for KDE4 docs and 3.5.7 docs
[07:26] <nixternal> err, 3.5.7 branch
[07:26] <nixternal> but then again, that may not be enough reason
[07:29] <toma> nixternal: does it refuse to clse bug when you commit with BUG: nr?
[07:29] <nixternal> yup
[07:30] <toma> nixternal: oki, what's the email address you use for bugzilla?
[07:30] <nixternal> I will get the "you don't have the powah" email, or maybe Phil Rodgriguez gets them
[07:30] <nixternal><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:31] <toma> nixternal: you now have the powah
[07:31] <toma> (why is it called powah today?)
[07:32] <nixternal> toma: I don't know why it is powah today, tomorrow it will be "I don't have root"
[07:32] <nixternal> thanks btw
[07:32] <toma> yw
[07:34] <nixternal> Visual Basic is so awesome!
[07:35] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:35] <jpatrick> ah! :D that's better
[07:35] <nixternal> jpatrick: what happened to the "Look at posts w/o responses" in the forums? I just see "posts w/o responses since your last visit"
[07:36] <jpatrick> nixternal: I have.. no idea
[07:36] <nixternal> hrmm, don' you work for Kubuntu forums/
[07:37] <jpatrick> I did
[07:37] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:37] <nixternal> well nevermind then :)
[07:37] <jpatrick> but I've been off Kubuntu work for quite some time now
[07:37] <nixternal> ya, thought you are MIA a little bit there
[07:38] <jpatrick> MIA?
[07:39] <allee> nixternal: uhm 12500 added or modified msgstr for digikam.  diff   10 mb, compr 1.8 mb.   http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/13-kdesvn-649091-msgstr-updates.diff.gz
[07:39] <jpatrick> hallo allee
[07:39] <nixternal> missing in action
[07:39] <allee> I've still have to check and build digikam.   So I assume I'll miss the 18:00 UTC deadline
[07:39] <allee> nixternal: lol
[07:39] <allee> jpatrick: hi
[07:39] <nixternal> that is a lot of translated lines
[07:40] <nixternal> and those aren't docs, that is all program
[07:40] <allee> nixternal: as I said,  I noticed a lot of stable branch commit in #digikam ;)
[07:40] <jpatrick> allee: I've been learning German :D but I better not start here..
[07:40] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:41] <allee> nixternal: yes.  but i'm nevertheless surprised by the num.  but a quick look shows no error ...
[07:41] <toma> allee: messages or docmessages?
[07:42] <allee> toma: messages
[07:42] <allee> toma: I've build a tar from current stable/branch and diffed po in 0.9.1 tar and 0.9.1+svn-stabel-today
[07:42] <allee> ah, hi toma btw
[07:43] <allee> toma: pity that there no <IP_ADDRESS> release to honour translator work
[07:44] <allee> jpatrick: I'll chat later about it ;)
[07:44] <toma> #: utilities/imageeditor/editor/imagewindow.cpp:609
[07:44] <toma> +#: utilities/utilities/imageeditor/editor/imagewindow.cpp:609
[07:44] <toma> seems like an error...
[07:46] <toma> allee: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/extragear/graphics/digikam/utilities/
[07:46] <toma> see the utilities subdir
[07:46] <allee> toma: yeah, that's strange but the msgstr do match
[07:47] <toma> the folder is copied inside itself
[07:47] <toma> so there is a utilities/batch and a utlities/utilities/batch now
[07:47] <toma> code duplication rules
[07:47] <toma> and hi!
[07:48] <allee> toma: heh, luckyly this does not change the total ammount of string ;)
[07:49] <allee> -m +s
[07:50] <allee> mhmm, 4500 empty msgstr.  Maybe new incomplete transaltion?  ....
[07:50] <toma> allee: some languages copy templates to their dir without translating it
[07:51] <allee> toma: please don't
[07:52] <allee> toma: when I delete the duplicate tree now.  will script find and merge back the old file lists until tomorrow (assumed scripty runs tonight successfully)?
[07:52] <toma> yes
[07:53] <allee> toma: okay will do,  as it puts no work on translators
[07:55] <allee> mhb, nixternal: so I miss the deadline for updated digikam string.  Cruel world :(
[07:56] <toma> allee: remove the lines from your local copy and make a new diff?
[07:56] <toma> (you told me not to shut up ;-))
[07:57] <allee> toma: yeah, but deadline in in 4 minutes
[07:58] <toma> ah, k
[08:27] <fdoving> yay. knetworkmanager seems to be fixed for my bcm43xx card.
[08:27] <fdoving> works nicely.
[08:30] <mhb> Riddell: according to Colin Watson the testing communities should stay alert, so if anything is to test, tell me/us
[08:40] <nixternal> I need some sed help, anyone avail
[08:40] <mhb> nixternal: I am here
[08:41] <nixternal> I have =>       f=$1
[08:41] <nixternal> so whatever I put after my sh file will be $1, you knwo that though
[08:41] <jpatrick> nixternal: you have to pay?
[08:41] <nixternal> what I want to do, is for speed reasons is when i input the directory, I want to strip the / from it
[08:42] <nixternal> sed -e 's/$.*\/ //'
[08:42] <nixternal> I suck trying to remember regex
[08:42] <mhb> oh man, you chose the wrong guy
[08:42] <mhb> I suck at it too
[08:42] <nixternal> so like I would take f and do
[08:42] <fdoving> f=$1 ?
[08:42] <nixternal> g=`sed -e 's/$.*\/ //' ${f}
[08:43] <nixternal> ya, this is to create a quick validation script for me to run through and pull the bad vals out so I can tweak them
[08:45] <gnomefreak> does feisty support ppc?
[08:45] <nixternal> nope
[08:45] <gnomefreak> i noticed no ISO's
[08:45] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:46] <nixternal> ya, I picked up a ppc for free at a LUG event, and now I have no use for it
[08:46] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:46] <nixternal> ppc 450, garbage
[08:46] <nixternal> bbiaf, class time
[08:47] <gnomefreak> have fun
[08:51] <fdoving> nixternal: you can use something like g=${1%%/}
[08:51] <fdoving> if i understand you correctly.
[08:53] <fdoving> nixternal: g=${*%%/} will catch paths with spaces too.
[08:58] <Simo1> I'm trying to update Kubuntu edgy to feisty but the "Full upgrade" button is disabled. All repos are enabled in sources.conf and all updates are done. I'm following instructions here:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades "Network upgrade for Kubuntu desktops (recommended)" Any suggestions?
[08:59] <Riddell> Simo1: follow the "Kubuntu Beta upgrade" section
[08:59] <Simo1> ok
[09:30] <nixternal> Riddell: will it be OK if the doc package doesn't get finished up until tomorrow? will it still make it, or am I screwed?
[09:31] <fdoving> nixternal: need help with that script?
[09:31] <nixternal> fdoving: got it, thanks
[09:31] <fdoving> nixternal: ok. shout if you need more tips.
[09:31] <gnomefreak> nixternal: busy?
[09:32] <nixternal> gnomefreak: sitting in c++ class listening to the teacher explain debugging with visual studio
[09:32] <nixternal> but since I refuse to use Windows even at school, they leave me alone
[09:33] <gnomefreak> nixternal: your pm when you get time
[09:34] <Riddell> nixternal: should be fine
[09:36] <nixternal> Riddell: thanks, I was sweating for a second there
[09:45] <seele> Riddell: ping
[09:45] <Riddell> hi seele
[09:46] <seele> heya
[09:46] <seele> we started user testing on ubiquity today
[09:46] <seele> partitioning is a serious problem
[09:46] <seele> its not just the interface
[09:46] <seele> but people don't even know what a "partition" is
[09:47] <seele> i'm not sure how to address this
[09:47] <seele> but other than that.. everything else works fine and people understand it
[09:48] <Riddell> :)
[09:48] <seele> it seems like people understand the live cd (even though there may be a little confusion, they understand enough to continue and follow through with the process)
[09:48] <Tm_T> argh, I hate this
[09:48] <Riddell> installing an operating system is always going to be an advanced thing to do requiring some knowledge, I guess the trick is to get the knowledge they need into them without it sounding too technical
[09:49] <Riddell> seele: are you using latest feisty?
[09:49] <Tm_T> just can't go to aKademy even with psonsor
[09:50] <seele> Riddell: no, i forgot to give them the latest CD.. but the issues are low level so i dont think small changes will make a difference
[09:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: what what?
[09:50] <seele> its very much a conceptual and terminology problem than an interface problem
[09:51] <Riddell> seele: yep
[09:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: yup, I had sponsor and all but just can't
[09:51] <Riddell> "hard disk slicer"
[09:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: :(
[09:51] <Tm_T> oh well, next year ;)
[09:51] <Tm_T> and hey, we have Feisty release party in Finland \o/
[09:51] <Tm_T> (I hope)
[09:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: you should tell sladen about that, he's in the area
[09:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, can't say I've seen that name/nick before but will do if I meet him :)
[10:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, seele,: yea OSX isnt much better, its a "disk tool" with "slices" hehe


[11:38] <b3> April 16 2020 is the last day for translations. Please concentrate on the unfinished ones. I really need help for translating Afrikaans language. Their is a huge amount left.
[11:43] <b3> If anyone has some free time help translate their is plenty on Afrikaans language. Any help would be greatly appreciated...


[08:59] <dpm> morning all
[08:59] <andrejz> morning dpm, little late today ;)
[09:00] <dpm> heya andrejz, yeah, I stayed longer yesterday as well ;-)
[09:01] <andrejz> just register at ustream, so i can ask some tough questions later today :p
[09:03] <dpm> andrejz, awesome :)
[09:04] <dpm> it's going to be the first one, so we'll have to figure out how it will go. I'll be more than happy to run it like a Q+A session if folks start asking questions
[09:05] <artnay> any new announcements on chromium translations? spanish seems to be almost done
[09:05] <artnay> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations
[09:05] <dpm> artnay, as I said before, this will be announced in due time :)
[09:06] <artnay> dpm: okay, as the natty isn't translatable yet this would have been a nice project atm
[09:06] <andrejz> I was wondering whether our new translation suggestion workflow is fit for a translation story it works like this - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1450316/zaslonska_slika.png
[09:07] <artnay> when both natty and chromium are announced to be translatable, there's not enough time for both
[09:08] <andrejz> Also i was wondering if it's possible that we blog about this on our blog (synced with planet) and you publish it on ubuntu news and facebook
[09:12] <dpm> andrejz, sure. Some things: I can definitely post it on FB (you just need to ping me). But you can also do it in the same way by adding a comment to the FB page, so feel free to do it without having to ask for permission. As per Ubuntu News, I can publish things there, but I'd rather publish a more "human" translation story. I think it is good to have content on the planet on _any_ subject related to translations, but for the stories, I think some
[09:12] <dpm> thing like an interview as you were suggesting some days ago would be a better "translation story"
[09:12] <dpm> what do you think?
[09:13] <andrejz> yes, i see your point, translation stories should be more motivational things and this is more a technicality
[09:13] <dpm> yeah, exactly
[09:13] <dpm> but it will still be a good article for Planet and FB
[09:14] <dpm> (and for the Translations Portal, when we have it :)
[09:15] <andrejz> agreed
[09:16] <dpm> cool
[09:33] <dpm> btw for anyone in the channel: if you've got an idea but it's still not clear, do sign up for stories at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Stories as well - this should encourage other teams to sign up and participate!
[09:35] <dpm> artnay, at this point, I'm not expecting to be many changes to the Chromium translations setup, so I'd say if you want to go ahead and start translating, please do. (But I didn't tell you that :)
[09:35] <dpm> There you go, the advantages of being in the translators channel: you get all the chit chat before anyone else ;-)
[09:36] <artnay> dpm: I've already done that ;) Although I still wait for an official announcement (via planet ubuntu rss)
[09:37] <dpm> artnay, :) The announcement is written and it will get out very soon
[09:38] <artnay> nice, at least one chromium should get some translation love then
[09:38] <dpm> :-)
[09:39] <dpm> TLE, <dpm> hey pitti, good morning. Have you had a chance to have a look at what happened with yesterday's maverick langpack build in the PPA?
 dpm: not yet, sorry; I'm currently drowning in emails and external requests
 but it's high on my list, promised
[09:39] <artnay> eh... what I meant: I've had HTC Desire (android) for half a year now
[09:39] <artnay> I have to use it in English because the translations suck ***
[09:40] <artnay> Chrome's translations are somewhere between good and average
[09:40] <dpm> artnay, oh, now I get you
[09:40] <dpm> artnay, can you remind me in which language you translate?
[09:41] <artnay> dpm: finnish, https://launchpad.net/~jiri-gronroos
[09:41] <dpm> aaah, now
[09:41] <artnay> google should give some more translation love to their programs
[09:42] <artnay> or at least provide a better way to suggest enchanchements to existing translations
[09:42] <andrejz> @artnay: programs are translated
[09:43] <dpm> artnay, I guess it depends which external translation agency translates them. The Catalan translations are usually pretty good. But nothing compared to community translations :-)
[09:43] <andrejz> but very bad
[09:43] <andrejz> at least this is the  case for slovenian language - mostly they are acceptable
[09:43] <andrejz> but translation of youtube are just *horrible*
[09:43] <artnay> andrejz: same in Finnish
[09:43] <artnay> somewhat acceptable and in some cases totally wrong
[09:45] <artnay> but it's probably the same with community translations. I wish they could provide something between translation agencies and community
[09:45] <artnay> they would probably get much better results that way. let the community suggest enchancements and the translations agencies to approve/disapprove
[09:50] <artnay> transifex could work for that... but yeah, this is a wrong channel to talk about that
[09:52] <TLE> dpm: ok, well you just let me know when we have some in -proposed, then we will talk about whether the calendar needs updating
[09:53] <dpm> artnay, you are free to talk about nearly anything in this channel, but I'm not sure what you mean that "transifex could work for that". FWIW Launchpad, Pootle or Transifex, for example, could work
[09:54] <dpm> TLE, ok, will do that then
[09:55] <artnay> dpm: but rosetta doesn't have such an integration to external repositories
[09:56] <artnay> and pootle... well, I prefer LP or Transifex over it
[09:57] <dpm> artnay, you can have a mirror of any external repository and get translations integration, or you can host a bzr repository in LP. It all depends on the tools the project uses. I'm not discussing which tool is best (because I'm biased :), I'm just saying that there is the choice
[09:59] <artnay> dpm: true, many seem to host just translations on LP and code somewhere else. I wish the same could be applied to libre office (by using transifex or rosetta)
[09:59] <dpm> yeah, /me wished too
[10:00] <dpm> but I haven't had any contact with the LibreOffice people. As I've said before, I've been meaning to do that for a while, but had no chance yet
[10:01] <artnay> dpm: some time ago (weeks) there was discussion on libre office's translation ML. many seemed to think pootle would be a good choice.
[10:02] <artnay> seems like they went the pootle way: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/l10n/mail9.html
[10:03] <dpm> I've done OO.o translations in pootle in the past, and while pootle is a great tool, I'm biting my tongue not to make negative comments on the setup they had at OO.o. I do hope the LO setup is better
[10:47] <happyaron> dpm: when would be next translation update for maverick, is there a schedule?
[10:48] <dpm> happyaron, it should have been today, but there has been a problem in building the language pack. Here is the schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA/MaverickLanguagePackUpdateReleaseSchedule and here is the spec:
[10:48] <dpm> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-translations-language-pack-updates-schedule
[10:49] <happyaron> dpm: thanks, really quick response!
[10:49] <dpm> :-)
[10:59] <dpm> TLE, pitti has just triggered a manual build of the maverick langpacks. I'll keep an eye on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=maverick - if all goes well, by the end of today (but more reallistically tomorrow) they should be built, and then I'll ping pitti to copy them to -proposed
[10:59] <dpm> The problem seemed to be that the Lucid and Maverick builds were scheduled the other way round
[10:59] <dpm> i.e. yesterday's was a Lucid build
[11:00] <dpm> now the schedule is again fixed and according to https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule
[11:00] <dpm> (just a FYI)
[12:35] <andrejz> Hello dpm!
[12:36] <andrejz> I found a translation error and need your help
[12:36] <andrejz> If you look here
[12:36] <andrejz> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/apt/+pots/apt-all/sl/+translate
[12:36] <andrejz> you will see, that the package apt-all has been updated (probably from upstream)
[12:36] <andrejz> the uploader is Michael Voigt
[12:37] <dpm> hey andrejz, I'm in the middle of something now, but I'll read the backlog. The apt translation is a bit strange, as I'm not sure if we're using apt-all or the other templates
[12:37] <andrejz> apparently in the file there were some encoding errors
[12:37] <andrejz> So all strings with our special letters  -like č. š and ž changed to something like Paket %s razliÄica %s ima nereÄene odvisnosti:
[12:38] <andrejz> is it possible to somehow reverse this changes ?
[12:42] <andrejz> in total there are 214 of these strings - https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/apt/+pots/apt/sl/+filter?person=mvo
[13:11] <andrejz> dpm, I am leaving now
[13:11] <andrejz> please let me know what you found out on my email
[13:12] <andrejz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:12] <dpm> ok, I will, see you later andrejz :)
[13:12] <andrejz> hopefully i will be home to watch the show :)
[13:12] <dpm> \o/
[13:12] <dpm> ;)
[15:02] <dpm> Everyone, the first translations videocast is starting in ~1 hour, join me there and ask your questions on translations!
[15:02] <dpm> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ubuntu-translations-with-david-planella
[15:07] <serfus> dpm, good luck :)
[15:07] <dpm> thank you serfus :-)
[16:02] <Auree> hi
[16:04] <Auree> hi dpm
[16:04] <dpm> hi Auree
[16:04] <Auree> dpm, you sound and look good :)
[16:04] <yantrashilpi> agree with Auree
[16:07] <yantrashilpi> yo!
[16:07] <Auree> I'm from Russian translation team
[16:08] <yantrashilpi> Kannada Translation Team
[16:08] <yantrashilpi> which other channel are we on?
[16:08] <yantrashilpi> for the videocast I mean
[16:18] <Auree> bg noise
[16:18] <Auree> dpm ^^
[16:18] <yantrashilpi> there is a huge background hiss
[16:18] <yantrashilpi> it's a little better now
[16:19] <Auree> thanks
[16:19] <dpm> yantrashilpi, http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ubuntu-translations-with-david-planella
[16:19] <yantrashilpi> dpm: you got it!
[16:20] <Auree> they want my full name and zip code, so I'm staying here ;)
[16:21] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-translations-portal
[16:28] <yantrashilpi> dpm: Did I miss your talk about the workflow?
[16:28] <yantrashilpi> dpm: ahh ok great!
[16:30] <dpm> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[16:32] <Andre_Gondim> dpm, what do you think is the most difficult to the newest translator?
[16:34] <yantrashilpi> Andre_Gondim: I agree with dpm: This is not intuitive for someone who is not a programmer for sure.
[16:38] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/
[16:41] <yantrashilpi> dpm: so when do the natty translations open up? Is that after release?
[16:44] <Auree> now you're blue
[16:44] <Auree> :)
[16:45] <TLE> *G*
[16:49] <Auree> I often see terrible mistakes in translations, I'd say that standards are too low :(
[16:49] <Auree> It
[16:50] <Auree> Russian
[16:50] <Auree> in Ubuntu, it's especially frustrating to see mistakes in the slideshow during the installation
[16:51] <yantrashilpi> Auree: Perhaps there is a way to allow seasoned translators to sort of mentor newer translators into the system and familiarize them with tone and quality?
[16:51] <yantrashilpi> either that or just a "review" process
[16:51] <yantrashilpi> dpm:
[16:51] <yantrashilpi> ^^
[16:51] <Auree> right, Russian team lacks an experienced mentor
[16:52] <Auree> I am a translator, but I'm not very active right now
[16:52] <yantrashilpi> one of the things I've come across is that even though I've translated on other systems before, for Ubuntu I don't necessarily know the context of certain strings etc and what the standard terminology is... etc. Obviously this requires discussions on the list etc.
[16:52] <Auree> ok, that would be great
[16:53] <michael_k> yes, discussion with other memebers of team is essential
[16:53] <Auree> ok
[16:54] <yantrashilpi> dpm: not to derail the discussion but do we have a glossary mechanism in launchpad?
[16:57] <yantrashilpi> Thank You.
[16:59] <dpm> https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/natty-translations-plans-i-translations-stories/
[17:00] <Auree> dpm bye!
[17:00] <Auree> it was cool :)
[17:00] <AndroUser> hello dpm!
[17:01] <AndroUser> listened online, but couldn't comment as i was driving
[17:02] <dpm> Auree, cool, I'm glad you liked it!
[17:03] <michael_k> it was great! waiting for next one
[17:05] <Auree> bye everybody
[17:05] <michael_k> bb
[17:06] <dpm> michael_k, cool, looking forward to doing the next one, it was fun!
[17:07] <michael_k> dpm, i almost want to make one myself, you are all doing fantastic job and I am trying hard to spread the word
[17:07] <dpm> michael_k, thanks! Sure, have a try, it's quite easy if you already have an idea of what you want to talk about
[17:08] <michael_k> dpm, translations and life in general, what else? are you living in Barcelona btw?
[17:15] <andrejz> Hello!
[17:16] <andrejz> good joob dpm!
[17:23] <yantrashilpi> dpm: I believe at UDS you or someone else was talking about creating a video etc to promote or show translation work etc. What's the progress on that?
[17:23] <yantrashilpi> how can I help?
[17:23] <andrejz> there was a talk about translation videos
[17:24] <dpm> michael_k, no, I'm living in Valencia, a bit southern from Barcelona
[17:24] <andrejz> to show how easy it is to contribute to ubuntu through rosetta translation system
[17:24] <dpm> thanks andrejz :)
[17:25] <michael_k> dpm, nice! Valencia is equally well known
[17:25] <andrejz> althought valenica footbal club is not doing so good anymore :(
[17:26] <dpm> andrejz, no problem there, I'm a Barcelona fan and they're doing fantastic! :-)
[17:26] <michael_k> i am not a football fan so i am not impressed by teams
[17:27] <michael_k> but Grand Prix de Catalunya rocks!
[17:27] <andrejz> so you must be happy with el clasico :)
[17:27] <dpm> 5!!!!
[17:27] <dpm> :)
[17:27] <michael_k> muy bien (?)
[17:28] <yantrashilpi>  demasiado bien!? hahah
[17:28] <michael_k> lol!! let's translate now!!!
[17:28] <dpm> yantrashilpi, yeah there was a talk about creating the Ubuntu Translations video to put it in the portal, but we assessed the workload and decided to focus on other projects for this cycle. This does not mean that if I've got time when I finish the other points in the roadmap I won't pick it up. So I might start on it later on in the cycle, but just as a "nice to have". In any case, if there is no time to complete it, I definitely want to work on
[17:28] <dpm> it next cycle. If anyone wants to help, they're also much welcome. The steps we decided would be necessary are on the whiteboard at: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-translations-introductory-video
[17:29] <andrejz> dpm, have you looked at the apt-all package?
[17:30] <dpm> andrejz, no, unfortunately not. Let's have a look at it tomorrow, sorry for keeping delaying it, but I need to go soon today
[17:31] <andrejz> ok, no worries. I would just like to fix this before the language pack updates, because now 214 strings are wrong
[17:31] <andrejz> and it would be great if there is an semi automatic solutoin so i don't need to fix every string
[17:32] <dpm> andrejz, if that was for maverick, it will be already too late, as the language pack export was on Tuesday
[17:32] <andrejz> yes, but now we have a week to test and fix mistakes, right ?
[17:33] <dpm> andrejz, just major mistakes, those for which you consider it is necessary to rebuild the language packs
[17:33] <andrejz> the problem is that a package has been uploaded with wrong encoding
[17:33] <andrejz> so all the non english characters in a package are not displayed properly
[17:34] <dpm> andrejz, let's talk about it tomorrow, yeah, that looks like a major issue.
[17:34] <andrejz> i haven't noticed it before since it was imported on 2010-11-19
[17:34] <andrejz> ok, let's talk about it tommorow
[17:35] <dpm> ok


[00:15] <racarr> RAOF: I'm not sure...I hadn't really gotten that far yet so much as digesting/rewriting/importing the existing InputTransport code
[00:15] <RAOF> Ah, right.
[00:15] <racarr> that doesn't sound quite right to me though
[00:15] <racarr> What in frontend wants to call send_event on a surface?
[00:16] <racarr> I would think for example the input dispatcher would be calling it (as it does now)
[00:16] <racarr> which would work on mi::Surface
[00:16] <RAOF> Nothing in frontend, but frontend needs to *provide* send_event.
[00:16] <racarr> yes. I guess it needs to provide
[00:16] <racarr> the_input_sender
[00:16] <racarr> which
[00:16] <racarr> Surface::consume
[00:17] <racarr> uses
[00:17] <RAOF> Which is what I'm doing. Ish.
[00:17] <RAOF> Because there isn't actually a single input_sender.
[00:18] <RAOF> (There isn't *currently* a single input_sender, really; it's just that we've split the input sending code into multiple pieces, owned by different things)
[00:19] <RAOF> Which is why trying to make it do something different is annoying :)
[02:16] <RAOF> Damn. I should have left this branch not-compiling.
[02:24] <kenvandine> racarr, weird... i had the tests pass once... but not again :/
[03:15] <racarr> kenvandine: ONce it fails it fails until u8 restarts yeah...and...yes I think it just became more resilient but not totally
[03:15] <racarr> Once mir 0.14 ppa finishes building
[03:15] <racarr> well maybe thats done
[03:15] <racarr> once its tomorrow
[03:15] <racarr> ill be in a good position to verify my theory about
[03:15] <racarr> mirscreencast confusing
[03:15] <racarr> USC window management....
[06:09] <RAOF> Have I mentioned before how much I hate the way nothing in Mir ever has an owner? :/
[06:11] <anpok_> owner?
[06:12] <anpok_> like mir::DisplayServer::Privae?
[06:13] <RAOF> Everything we ever create is a shared_ptr; nothing is owned by anything.
[06:19] <anpok_> but shared_ptr describes ownership.. shared but still .. ownership
[06:20] <anpok_> hmm
[06:20] <anpok_> i guess for a lot of stuff unique_ptr and passing around references would be enough
[06:21] <RAOF> Yeah. shared_ptr describes “eh, working out who owns this is hard. Let's go shopping!”
[06:22] <anpok_> hehe
[06:23] <RAOF> Lots of our things are ‘this thing is owned by the compositor; it's basically a singleton’.
[06:24] <RAOF> A bunch of others are ‘this thing exists for as long as a client has connected. And then for an indeterminate time afterwards, even though that doesn't make sense’.
[06:33] <RAOF> You are in a maze of classes, all called Shell.
[06:36] <RAOF> It doesn't help that Qt Creator gets confused about the type hierarchy.
[06:45] <anpok_> hm is passing argv=nullptr and argc=0 a user error
[08:18] <dandrader> duflu_, ping
[08:18] <duflu_> dandrader: Hello!
[08:18] <dandrader> duflu_, hi
[08:20] <dandrader> duflu_, If I draw a surface twice in my qml scene. Should each item there have a different compositor "user id"  when fetching buffers?
[08:21] <dandrader> duflu, or should I use a single compositor user id
[08:21] <duflu> dandrader: That's the multi-monitor frame sync library. Technically you should get one user ID per frame for a single monitor display.
[08:21] <duflu> -library +logic
[08:22] <duflu> dandrader: It's really an opaque "monitor ID". If two monitors with different IDs ask for a frame around the same time they will get the same frame. But if any ID asks for a frame twice it will get different (the next) frame
[08:23] <duflu> dandrader: You doing multi-display?
[08:23] <dandrader> duflu, no. I'm doing "having multiple items showing the same mir surface in a qml scene"
[08:24] <dandrader> duflu, and I'm finding it may be easier to implement if each qml item did its own buffer fecthing using separate ids...
[08:25] <dandrader> duflu, but wondering if that's a wrong approach
[08:25] <duflu> dandrader: Hmm, still with a single display and a single ID I imagine you will get messed up by that. The right answer is to only ask each surface for a buffer once per frame (and use it any number of times). I you want a kludge, use different user IDs to force each call to get the same frame.
[08:26] <dandrader> duflu, yeah, that was my intent. using a unique id per qml item (eg "(void*)this") so that they get the same frame
[08:26] <duflu> dandrader: If you imagine "user ID" actually means "view ID" it makes sense. You're free to make up new IDs. And different views using different IDs will see the same frame
[08:26] <dandrader> or work independently
[08:27] <dandrader> duflu, so, would that be a valid use of this compositor user id API or would that be a hack?
[08:27] <dandrader> s/valid/correct
[08:28] <duflu> dandrader: It might feel like a hack, but the model is very abstract. If your two views with different IDs are on the same screen it should always work. I don't expect it would be a problem
[08:29] <duflu> dandrader: But frankly for the sake of OpenGL performance you should be binding the surface to a texture once and then reusing the texture multiple times in the frame
[08:29] <dandrader> duflu, right.
[08:31] <dandrader> although I don't see a mir surface being rendered more than twice in a scene (say, its may view/window and a thumbnail in the tab switcher)
[08:31] <duflu> dandrader: So it's a bit unexpected what you're doing but I don't expect it will ever break. It will work but it's not optimal. Also keep in mind for multi-monitor, each display needs a separate ID (or IDs)
[08:32] <duflu> dandrader: Yeah the switcher or workspace previews is where I'd expect to see the same texture used multiple times on the same screen
[10:47] <greyback> Mir API quiz: If I am a nested server, and my surface is resized by the system compositor - how do I know?
[11:11] <omg_run> hi. i'm trying to record something with mir but i don't know what's mir's server socket file?
[11:12] <omg_run> /run/lightdm-mir-o doesn't work
[11:12] <anpok_> there is one for the unity-system-compositor and another one for the user session
[11:12] <omg_run> something changed lately?
[11:12] <anpok_> greyback: hum iirc you do not notice
[11:13] <greyback> anpok_: yeah I'm reading the code and am seeing the mirclient resize event being swallowed in mgn::detail::DisplayBuffer::mir_event(MirEvent const& event)
[11:14] <anpok_> omg_run: iirc /run/mir_socket and /run/user/<USER_ID>/mir_socket
[11:15] <omg_run> anpok_: thanks :D let's see
[11:15] <anpok_> greyback: I believe back then we assumed that it was not necessary..
[11:15] <anpok_> hm I think I even had a fix branch that dispatches that too
[11:15] <greyback> anpok_: bad assumption :)
[11:16] <anpok_> I thought you get a display configuration change callback?
[11:17] <greyback> sure I do, but the display config has only a bit to do with how USC wants to draw its scene
[11:18] <greyback> my current approach: on display config, configure displays to clone (rotate if necessary), calculate the subrectangle which fits on both displays, resize scene to fit in that subrectangle
[11:19] <greyback> so USC is calling resize() on unity8's surface
[11:19] <greyback> but unity8 has no idea
[11:20] <omg_run> doesn't work.. /run/lightdm-mir-0 worked fine until the last update.. hm.. let's see what changed
[11:24] <greyback> anpok_: I see you noticed it a while ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1294574 ;)
[11:34] <anpok_> greyback: hm so how do you want that fixed.. i believe just getting the resize event somewhere isnt enough?
[11:34] <greyback> anpok_: I can work around it
[11:35] <greyback> but it's definitely something I'll want in future
[16:12] <racarr> Good morning!
[16:18] <racarr> working on verifying some theories related to USC window management about the autopilot tex tbug
[16:49] <kenvandine> racarr, cool
[16:49] <kenvandine> racarr, when do we expect to see 0.14 in wily?
[16:50] <kenvandine> assuming that has the fix :)
[16:54] <racarr> kenvandine: Quite soon I think but I'm really not sure it does
[16:54] <racarr> I will be soon
[16:54] <racarr> I get very slow connections to the image server lately :(
[17:20] <racarr> anpok_: Is the mir 0.14 silo expected working now?
[17:28] <racarr> seems to work
[18:03] <racarr> kenvandine: Ok...so theres a lot to suggest its fixed in .14 but there is a new problem in that
[18:03] <racarr> autopilot is triggering lots of key repeats now...
[18:04] <racarr> We changed the way key repeat was implemented/disabled so
[18:04] <racarr> thats not so unexpected
[18:04] <kenvandine> ugh
[18:04] <racarr> it seems like key repeat must have just been off before...I unno
[18:05] <anpok_> racarr: nearly
[18:05] <racarr> anpok_: Oh its working for me
[18:05] <anpok_> i misconfigured qtubuntu-gles
[18:06] <racarr> hmm
[18:07] <racarr> How was key repeat working before
[18:07] <racarr> as far as I remember we didn't provide a runtime way to
[18:07] <racarr> disable key repeat until now and it was
[18:07] <racarr> on by default and qtmir doesn't disable it
[18:07] <racarr> so...is it just the new key repeat timeout is way too low
[18:07] <racarr> and
[18:07] <racarr> ....
[18:07] <anpok_> nah not quite
[18:07] <racarr> but seems unlikely that this would have never come up before but ive never heard of it
[18:07] <anpok_> unity8 had its own input dispatcher so it bypassed the repeat
[18:08] <anpok_> handling
[18:08] <racarr> anpok_: But from USC
[18:08] <anpok_> so usc was repeating.. yes
[18:08] <anpok_> and qtmir event feeder might have ignored the repeats?
[18:08] <anpok_> not sure
[18:08] <racarr> thats an idea!
[18:09] <racarr> hmm it seems to interpret autorep correctly
[18:17] <racarr> Hmm I dont get it how were there no key repeats before
[18:18] <racarr> oh
[18:18] <racarr> The initial key repeat timeout may actually be
[18:18] <racarr> much lower than before...
[18:19] <racarr> yep
[18:19] <racarr> ok hmm
[18:19] <racarr> kenvandine: So yeah...I can't trigger the text failing bug anymore but there is definitely this issue with key repeat
[18:20] <racarr> we either need to get a mir patch in (which I should be able to cook up today...shouhld be roughly 20 lines of diff)
[18:20] <racarr> OR
[18:20] <racarr> autopilot can restart usc with MIR_SERVER_ENABLE_KEY_REPEAT=false :p
[18:20] <racarr> kgunn: ^
[18:21] <kgunn> awesome racarr thanks for chasing it so hard
[18:21] <kenvandine> great news!
[18:23] <racarr> I think autopilot with specific
[18:23] <racarr> mir options has been shot down in the past right
[18:23] <racarr> so....uh....
[18:24] <racarr> should we try and get something in 0.14 or just
[18:24] <racarr> let 0.14 go and do a point release
[18:24] <racarr> No ABI break...
[18:24] <racarr>  / API
[18:29] <racarr> lunch!
[18:31] <racarr> lol this would have showed up in manual testing
[18:31] <racarr> for the silo too
[18:31] <racarr> it makes the volume control so hard to use
[18:31] <racarr> (tried to turn on music on the way to lunch)
[19:17] <bschaefer> mir demos needs to depend on mir-platform-graphics-mesa2
[19:17] <bschaefer> otherwise the demo server wont run
[19:23] <attente> hello, does/will mir support any kind of clipboard/selection api?
[19:26] <racarr> Back
[19:26] <racarr> anyone have any opinions on 0.14/point release
[19:26] <racarr> attente:  I think in the end we decided not to support it
[19:26] <racarr> in favor of the content hub supporting it
[19:27] <attente> racarr: yeah, that's what i thought too, but it's not clear to me if this is implemented there yet
[19:28] <kenvandine> attente, it isn't
[19:29] <kenvandine> the spec is still being written up
[19:29]  * kenvandine is looking forward to working on that :)
[19:30] <attente> kenvandine: ok, thanks :)
[19:30] <kenvandine> np
[21:38] <racarr> kenvandine: Are there workarounds now for this issue? e.g.
[21:39] <racarr> we have a fix for the key repeat thing now so with that + 0.14 everything should work again
[21:39] <racarr> and trying to sort out urgencies/what to do with it
[21:57] <kgunn> reboot brb


[11:14] <Idan> Hi there, anyone online ?
[15:11] <phil-r70> any desired language?
[15:11] <phil-r70> (hi, by the way)
[16:39] <pjoul> hi! can someone look at Bug #223205?
[16:39] <pjoul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/223205
[21:33] <rustifer> I'm having troubles with my laptop. It's a toshiba satellite 2455. I burnt the desktop .iso file to a DVD because it's what I had handy. The ubuntu disk boots and then when I try either "test drive" or "install" I get "cdrom error"  Is this a problem with the hardware or the cd?
[21:36] <rustifer> ok actually it's "i/o error: errr reading boot cd <reboot>"
[21:41] <rustifer> hmm nevermind, seems like it's all over the forums. I'll look there.


[11:52] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4779 pygi/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-console-setup.py: Fix unicode handling on the keyboard page.
[11:57] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4780 pygi/ (configure configure.ac d-i/update-control debian/control): Bump indicator API to 0.4.
[14:16] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4781 pygi/gui/gtk/stepUserInfo.ui: Mostly fix the stepUserInfo UI.
[14:17] <ev> I *hate* glade.
[14:17] <ev> there seems to be something really wonky in its logic
[14:18] <ev> when working with some existing widgets I end up with really weird behavior that doesn't match the settings at all
[14:18] <ev> I had to recreate a bunch of things
[14:18] <ev> ugh
[16:09] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4782 pygi/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py: Fix hostname lookup
[16:46] <bdmurray> ev: what are the permissions on the files in /var/log/installer/ after installing oneiric? it seems like most everything is only readable by root.
[16:46] <ev> bdmurray: the debug log is only readable by root on purpose
[16:46] <ev> as it can contain your password
[16:47] <bdmurray> right but syslog partman and casper.log are the same
[16:48] <bdmurray> at least were with a maverick install
[16:50] <cjwatson> mm, it's unnecessary for partman, I forget in the case of casper.log
[16:51] <bdmurray> I'll just modify the apport hook to use root_command_output for all the logs to be safe
[16:54] <bdmurray> cjwatson: bug 801610 is a kernel bug right?
[16:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 801610 in debian-installer "Include enic & fnic drivers in ubuntu-installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801610
[16:59] <cjwatson> just checking
[16:59] <cjwatson> (two choices: either it's not shipped in any udeb at all, or it's shipped in a udeb that d-i isn't including.  the former is more likely)
[17:03] <cjwatson> yup, kernel.  reassigned with a comment.
[22:10] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4783 pygi/ (tests/test_usersetup.py ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py): Add unit tests for the hostname check in the user-setup page.
[22:22] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4784 pygi/tests/test_usersetup.py: Added a test for the check_hostname function.
[22:29] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r4785 pygi/ (tests/test_usersetup.py ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py): Added a test for the check_username function.


[00:21] <cjwatson> wgrant: I admit to being a little surprised that we apparently didn't have any tests that called a-f with include_long_descriptions=False before.
[00:21] <cjwatson> Probably my mistake - I think we just checked that apt.conf looked right.
[00:22] <wgrant> cjwatson: Indeed.
[00:23] <wgrant> cjwatson: Anyway, buildbot is fixed, and ec2 is updating.
[00:23] <wgrant> Will re-ec2land it once it's done.
[00:23] <cjwatson> yay, ta
[00:33] <nigelb> Morning *yawn*
[00:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: Still around?
[00:56] <wgrant> If so, could you apply https://pastebin.canonical.com/54077/ to your branch?
[00:58] <cjwatson> looking
[00:58] <cjwatson> why does changing that in my branch do anything? :)
[00:58] <wgrant> That list specifies valid AMI owners.
[00:59] <wgrant> I can change it locally, but once this lands everyone needs to be able to see the new AMI.
[00:59] <wgrant> So ideally they land together.
[01:00] <wgrant> I could just land it separately, I suppose.
[01:02] <cjwatson> I can do it
[01:03] <cjwatson> Given you're landing it you get to say whether it's policy-OK :)
[01:04] <wgrant> Yep.
[01:05] <cjwatson> done
[01:07] <wgrant> Thanks, it's back in ec2, with the new image.
[01:07] <wgrant> If it fails again, I'll try to sort it out.
[01:10]  * cjwatson wonders why http://lpqateam.canonical.com/ was last generated over a day ago
[01:10] <cjwatson> (though nice website)
[01:13] <nigelb> wow, I didn't think I could see that.
[01:13] <nigelb> That is neat.
[01:13] <cjwatson> It used to be in a private location.  I think it was made public quite recently.
[01:13] <cjwatson> Or at least the deployment report did.
[01:14] <nigelb> Yeah, I remember jumping with joy for that one :)
[01:14] <cjwatson> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/deployment-reports-are-now-public
[01:25] <nigelb> heh
[01:25] <nigelb> <3 the incident report section
[01:31] <wgrant> cjwatson: Good question. Possibly related to staging being a bit broken lately.
[01:31]  * wgrant checks.
[01:33] <wgrant> The incident report finder is broken.
[01:35] <wgrant> Ah, wiki.c.c seems to be kicking people out of teams quickly, or something.
[01:36] <wgrant> Ah, yes, mentioned in #is. The ACL keeps getting erased.
[01:46] <nigelb> hah
[01:48] <wgrant> Anyway, dashboard robustified and working again.
[09:57] <cjwatson> hm, https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/changes/3807 probably should've been credited to me, not wgrant
[09:57] <cjwatson> (the last commit was author=wgrant committer=me)
[09:57] <cjwatson> (but all the rest were mine)
[09:57] <cjwatson> I wonder what the deployment report will make of that
[09:59] <cjwatson> and Contributions for that matter
[10:09] <jelmer> cjwatson: I think this is just the person that landed it
[10:10] <jelmer> since most contributors can't land stuff, I suspect the Contributions page uses something different
[10:16] <cjwatson> jelmer: No, I'm always in this boat and my other landings are generally credited to me.
[10:17] <cjwatson> It's definitely because the last commit was requested by wgrant so I --author-ed it
[10:17] <cjwatson> I'll remember not to do that in future, I guess :-)
[10:37] <jelmer> heh
[10:37]  * jelmer doesn't get credits on the Contributions page because he was once in the Launchpad team
[10:42] <wgrant> cjwatson: Contributions looks through the entire history.
[10:42] <wgrant> cjwatson: So it will work fine.
[10:42] <wgrant> Deployment report I'm not quite sure about.
[10:42] <wgrant> jelmer: Ah, it works for people like mwhudson, because they now use linaro addresses.
[10:43] <wgrant> You need a date threshold, I guess.
[10:44] <jelmer> I might contribute such a change to the contributors script at some point.. :)
[10:44] <wgrant> cjwatson: Both of your landings from today/yesterday are one https://dev.launchpad.net/Contributions#colin_watson
[10:44] <wgrant> s/one/on/
[10:53] <cjwatson> wgrant: cool, thanks
[10:53] <cjwatson> not that it's more than vanity :)
[11:00] <wgrant> Heh
[11:01] <wgrant> sigh, buildbot has gotten slow again.
[11:25] <lifeless> oh, so its working?
[11:31]  * jelmer waves to lifeless
[11:36] <wgrant> lifeless: What's working?
[11:38] <lifeless> bb
[11:39] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:39] <wgrant> It even passed once today.
[11:39] <wgrant> After failing because of nodowntime.
[11:56] <lifeless> how did ndt fail it ?
[11:56] <wgrant> Ah, you must have been away the day I realised this.
[11:56] <wgrant> Graceful appserver restarts only watch the main haproxy page.
[11:57] <wgrant> Not xmlrpc-private.
[11:57] <wgrant> So xmlrpc requests can be killed.
[11:57] <wgrant> And result in a 502.
[12:05] <lifeless> I don't recall a bug on this
[12:05] <lifeless> or an RT
[12:07] <wgrant> I meant to file an RT.
[12:07] <wgrant> Only discovered it last week.
[12:07] <lifeless> cool
[12:09] <lifeless> nn
[12:12] <wgrant> Night.
[12:16]  * nigelb waves
[12:16] <wgrant> Evening nigelb.
[12:25] <nigelb> wgrant: ohai
[12:25] <nigelb> Oooh. Need 3 more landings to be third :)
[22:40]  * wgrant WHUIs the vhost config system.
[23:16] <elmo> WHUI?
[23:20] <wgrant> elmo: Past form of YAGNI.
[23:26] <elmo> ah


[10:08] <memphisto> Hi, i'd like boot live-server and edit grub line so that it does autoinstall from http location
[10:08] <memphisto> i'm trying to run it via ansible but its failing.  string_send: "linux /casper/vmlinuz ip=<IP_ADDRESS>::<IP_ADDRESS>:<IP_ADDRESS> ---  autoinstall ds=nocloud-net;seedfrom=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/kickstart/'  initrd /casper/initrd"
[10:08] <memphisto> even manaully it wont' boot with this string
[10:09] <memphisto> on that server i have user-data(simple example just one user and few packages) and meta-data(empty)
[17:27] <Odd_Bloke> I have an Ubuntu filesystem and I want to use chroot to figure out what kernel it will boot.  What's the best way for me to do that?
[17:35] <rfm> Odd_Bloke, don't think you'd need chroot just for that.  I'd "grep menuentry /<mountpoint>/boot/grub/grub.cfg" but I do not claim this is "the best"
[17:43] <minimal> check the boot directory to see what kernel file(s) are present?
[21:09] <memphisto> Hi. I'm installing ubuntu server 22.04 on kvm , but i wan't to load user-data and meta-data from network. Its not working. I interupt CDROM installation and in grub i put
[21:09] <memphisto> linux /casper/vmlinuz ip=dhcp autoinstall ds=nocloud-net;s=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3003/
[21:09] <memphisto> initrd /casper/initrd
[21:09] <memphisto> boot
[21:09] <memphisto> but it hangs in connecting and it spins
[21:16] <memphisto> when it finally gives up and loads install i switch tty and check for ip and it got the ip. i can download user-data;meta-data from server
[21:16] <memphisto> why it didn't start installation i don't know
[21:42] <memphisto> is there mistake in what i'm doing?


[10:59] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:15] <bthomas> नमस्ते facubatista
[11:16] <facubatista> hola bthomas :)
[11:23] <jam> morning all
[11:24] <facubatista> hola jam
[11:35] <bthomas> Morning jam
[12:53] <bthomas> What can cause a Juju unit to stay indefinitely in "waiting for container" state ? I did check that docker image used successfully deploys using kubectl on microk8s and passes its liveness probe test. I am using juju with microk8s. I see no errors in juju debug-log. Juju version is 2.8.
[13:29] <bthomas> never mind fixed the issue
[14:07] <justinclark> bthomas, I think I remember you mentioning in standup last week that we're using elasticsearch 6.8 rather than 7.x. Is that correct?
[14:08] <bthomas> justinclark: That is correct. Although I am still working with 7.x because the docker container I was using was 7.x I will rebuild that container and switch to 6.8 shortly.
[15:50]  * facubatista -> lunch