[08:33] <Madpilot> mdke, nice "don't take your toys and go off in a snit" reminder on -irc. Pity it's needed.
[08:34] <mdke> Madpilot: yes, hadn't expected that from Dennis
[08:34] <Madpilot> neither did I, but I haven't been on IRC much the last few months
[08:35] <mdke> amazing how trolls can still get what they want
[08:35] <mdke> i.e. to make people angry
[08:35] <Madpilot> when they're given it, yes. "I'm taking my bots and going home" is giving it to the trolls in a major way
[08:37] <mdke> spot on
[08:38] <bhuvan> hi Madpilot
[08:38] <bhuvan> hi mdke
[08:38] <Madpilot> hi bhuvan
[08:39] <mdke> hiya bhuvan
[08:39]  * mdke -> work :(
[08:39] <Madpilot> seeya
[23:58] <osmosis> kind kind of rails configuration is this exactly?  http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ruby-on-rails.html


[04:10] <asterismo> hi people
[04:10] <stlsaint> asterismo: sup
[04:10] <asterismo> is there anyway to get firefox scrollbar look like the other windows?
[04:10] <asterismo> say
[04:11] <asterismo> gnome-terminal?
[04:11] <asterismo> stlsaint > here i was reporting a couple of oneiric bugs
[04:11] <stlsaint> hrm maybe some ff themes around but im not a user of ff so im not sure
[04:11] <asterismo> overall very happy with oneiric
[04:11] <asterismo> what do u use?
[04:12] <asterismo> i tried epiphany-browser but it spectacularly crashed in gmail page...
[04:12] <asterismo> so i went back to ff
[04:13] <stlsaint> asterismo: i still run lucid
[04:14] <asterismo> but lucid still have firefox for main web browser
[04:14] <asterismo> what browser do u run?
[04:14] <stlsaint> chrome
[04:14] <stlsaint> chromium
[04:14] <asterismo> ok
[04:14] <ApOgEE> what's wrong with ff?
[04:14] <stlsaint> slow IMO
[04:15] <stlsaint> than chrome OR chromium
[04:16] <bioterror> chromium instead uses tons of RAM
[04:16] <asterismo> i was just asking if there is anyway to make firefoz scrollbar look like the other apps in oneiric ocelot
[04:16] <asterismo> like slick scrollbar
[04:16] <bioterror> asterismo, I think that depends on firefox's own theme
[04:16] <bioterror> just like in chromium, it's not tied into GTK
[04:17] <holstein> asterismo: its there still a global directory?
[04:18] <holstein> im reading that you should see scrollbar.css in there, and you can edit the look
[04:18]  * holstein looking for dir
[04:18] <marion> good evening everyone i have an fstab question i think i may have finally figured it out i just want to double check
[04:18] <asterismo> never heard of it
[04:19] <ApOgEE> asterismo: I don't think there is any... or yet
[04:19] <ApOgEE> marion: how can i help u?
[04:20] <asterismo> and i did not find any post about it
[04:20] <asterismo> it would be nice to have firefoz scrollbar looks like gnome-terminal's
[04:20] <marion> ok so i have a partition labeled sdb1 that i want mounted to media/c when I start so i want to know with this being an ntfs file system will "/dev/sdb1   /media/c   rw,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000" work correctly and give me read write access
[04:21] <holstein> asterismo: i found http://www.twistermc.com/1216/customize-firefoxs-scrollbar/
[04:21] <holstein> its old though
[04:21] <ApOgEE> +1 asterismo ... have you file a feature request?
[04:22] <bioterror> marion, that's easy
[04:22] <bioterror> mario: sudo blkid
[04:22] <bioterror> marion, pick that UUID of sdb1
[04:23] <bioterror> and then add line to fstab: UUID=insert-your-asdasd123-here /media/c ext4 defaults 0 1
[04:24] <holstein> marion: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive#Automatic_Mount_At_Boot
[04:25] <holstein> marion: its the "sudo chown -R USERNAME:USERNAME /media/mynewdrive" part i was talking about earlier
[04:25] <marion> holstein i have read it and i am still trying to figure it out
[04:25] <holstein> where /media/mynewdrive is whatever directory you are mounting
[04:25] <holstein> /media/c
[04:25] <holstein> marion: UUID is the way to do it too
[04:25] <bioterror> what's wrong with my guidance?
[04:26] <bioterror> it's that simple
[04:26] <marion> and by doing the uuid that will auto mount at boot?
[04:26] <bioterror> marion, just do as i wrote
[04:26] <holstein> refering to the drive by UUID is a good idea
[04:26] <marion> so does this look right ? "UUID="1644C98944C96BD5" /media/c ext4 defaults 0 1"
[04:26] <bioterror> no
[04:26] <bioterror> UUID=bfa41bd1-7e44-4f6a-ba1d-70914f53ea35 my UUID
[04:27] <bioterror> that looks right
[04:27] <marion> these are ntfs partitions
[04:27] <bioterror> okay, then change ext4 to NTFS
[04:28] <bioterror> and remove "" from the UUID
[04:28] <marion> does the defaults 0 1 do anything
[04:28] <bioterror> you want actually to use ntfs-3g
[04:28] <bioterror> instead of that ext4
[04:28] <bioterror> # NTFS ~ Use ntfs-3g for write access (rw)
[04:28] <bioterror> # /dev/hda1
[04:29] <bioterror> UUID=12102C02102CEB83  /media/windows  ntfs-3g  auto,users,uid=1000,gid=100,dmask=027,fmask=137,utf8  0  0
[04:29] <bioterror> that looks correct
[04:29] <bioterror> just replace UUID with your's and windows with c
[04:29] <bioterror> and you're ready to reboot and test ;)
[04:29] <holstein> bioterror: you need to chown /media/c ?
[04:29] <bioterror> now I'm off to take kids to daycare at grannies
[04:29] <marion> cause i have a second partition i want to mount to media/d so it would be "/dev/sdb1 UUID=1644C98944C96BD5 /media/c ntfs-3g defaults 0 1
[04:29] <bioterror> holstein, no need for chown
[04:29] <holstein> cool :)
[04:29] <holstein> bioterror: safe travels
[04:30] <bioterror> holstein, as you can see, the UUID GID DMAS FMASKadsasd does it ;)
[04:30] <bioterror> holstein, I'm gonna drive like a maniac!
[04:30] <holstein> hehe
[04:30] <bioterror> every day I'm trying to make a BMW or Audi drive behind a truck :)
[04:31] <bioterror> marion, forget that /dev/sdb
[04:31] <bioterror> marion, use just UUID ;)
[04:31] <marion> bio with the defaults 0 1?
[04:31] <bioterror> marion, you want to specify some magic words to NTFS -partitions
[04:31] <bioterror> marion, those are just check thingies on boot
[04:32] <marion> what is this stuff you put "ntfs-3g users,uid=1000,gid=100,dmask=027,fmask=137,utf8  0  0"
[04:32] <bioterror> that's what you want to add to ntfs partition
[04:32] <bioterror> ntfs is more trouble some
[04:33] <bioterror> I didnt first know you were talking about NTFS ;)
[04:33] <marion> so i need to add this? "UUID=1644C98944C96BD5 /media/c ntfs-3g users,uid=1000,gid=100,dmask=027,fmask=137,utf8  0  0"
[04:33] <bioterror> but now, I'm off
[04:33] <bioterror> yes
[04:33] <bioterror> now you got it
[04:33] <marion> and just change the uuid and the mount point for the second partition?
[04:38] <marion> hey holstein when i use the command nano -w /etc/fstab how do i save what i add
[04:39] <holstein> contol+O is "write out"
[04:39] <holstein> control+o then control+x
[04:40] <marion> ok heres hoping this works time to reboot
[04:55] <mikodo> Hello, I have been using #ubuntu on Xchat. As I always have No0b questions, is this a better place to ask them? #ubuntu goes quite fast, it seems slower her.
[04:56] <ApOgEE> hi mikodo, how can i help you?
[04:57] <mikodo> Ap0gEE, Hello ... just want to know if this a better place for newbies to ask questions than #ubuntu
[04:57] <ApOgEE> mikodo: yes it is
[04:58] <philipballew> this is the best place :)
[04:59] <mikodo> Ap0gEE, does this chat have the featue where you type the first three letters of the peson's nic and do something like hit <tab> for completion of it?
[04:59] <ApOgEE> mikodo: try it
[05:00] <ApOgEE> I'm currently using irssi, I can say yes. I can do that here.
[05:00] <mikodo> ApOgEE: Oh, I was typing a 0 instead of a o in your nic...
[05:00] <ApOgEE> mikodo: nice
[05:00] <stlsaint> mikodo: that is client based...nothing to do with freenode or the channel
[05:00]  * philipballew wonders what mikodo is using
[05:00] <stlsaint> philipballew: xchat
[05:00] <philipballew> me to!
[05:01] <philipballew> if you need any xchat specific questions i can maybe answer
[05:01] <ApOgEE> CTCP VERSION reply from mikodo: qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101  Firefox/7.0.1
[05:02] <ApOgEE> philipballew: it is the web client for #ubuntu-beginners
[05:02] <ApOgEE> isn't it mikodo ?
[05:02] <mikodo> It fits for me
[05:03] <ApOgEE> cool
[05:03] <philipballew> cool
[05:04] <stlsaint> 07:55 < mikodo> Hello, I have been using #ubuntu on Xchat. As I always have No0b questions, is this a better place to ask them? #ubuntu goes quite fast, it  seems slower her.
[05:04] <stlsaint> ^^ hence i thought you were using xchat
[05:04] <mikodo> Well, thanks everyone, I will be sure to be back with questions. I like the pace here a little better...
[05:05] <mikodo> stlsaint: No worries
[05:13] <mikodo> What would the ubuntu default perms be for /home/user/Documents/  be? for Documents would it be 755? Same for any docs in Documents 755?
[05:20] <mikodo> How about the perms for an external drive @ /media/UUID/backintime be /media 755 root:root ;>UUiD> user at user-desktop (755) and at /media/UUID/backintime), would it be 755 also?
[05:23] <mikodo> well, excuse me while I go out for a smoke and check to see if I see any witches around...
[05:28] <mikodo> nope, not witches
[05:29] <mikodo> fat figured that "No Witches"
[05:53] <Chacious> Hello everyone
[05:56] <philipballew> Chacious, hello
[05:58] <Chacious> hey
[05:58] <Chacious> how u doing?
[05:59] <philipballew> i am going good Chacious how are you doing?
[05:59] <Chacious> good just browsing the web and researching more boinc projects
[06:00] <Chacious> what are you up to?
[06:00] <philipballew> oh cool. I am blogging. How is ubuntu working for you?
[06:01] <Chacious> good i have it running as a server
[06:01] <Chacious> had ubuntu 11.10 server running but had issues getting boinc setup through command line so installed the desktop version instead
[06:01] <philipballew> hum. what kinds of issues?
[06:02] <philipballew> if you want to run a gui on a server i would recomend lxde or openbox
[06:03] <Chacious> window maker doesnt work well for some reason haha
[06:04] <Chacious> had issues getting it attatched, think it was just my inexpierence as of late with linux commands
[06:11] <bioterror> holstein, he never came back, so it must have worked :)
[06:17] <Chacious> sweet i didnt think my boinc account manager was correctly working with my ubuntu setup but i just added a project through it and synced with ubuntu and it added it to the list
[07:12] <mikodo_> say, how do I read back to see if anyone answered a question?
[07:13] <Chacious> you mean in this channel?
[07:13] <mikodo_> Chacious: yes
[07:14] <Chacious> you could scroll up have you tried that?
[07:14] <Chacious> not being sarcastic
[07:14] <Chacious> also if you save your logs, you can look through them
[07:15] <mikodo_> Chacious: scrolling doesn't work for me; how does on save logs
[07:16] <Chacious> itsi nthe settings its not something that can help with previously answered questions if you dont save logs but if you go into your settings there should be available settings to save the conversation that goes on
[07:17] <mikodo_> Thanks. I watch for that in the future:)
[07:17] <Chacious> are you on a command line chat program?
[07:19] <mikodo_> Chacious: I am in Firefox
[07:19] <Chacious> O ic
[07:20] <Chacious> xchat has an app for linux
[07:20] <Chacious> if you wanted to use that
[07:20] <Chacious> it can save logs
[07:21] <mikodo_> Well I use Xchat for #ubuntu/xubuntu/Xfce, but followed to here from a link in Ubuntu Forums. I will look for it in Xchat
[07:21] <Chacious> are you relatively new to linux? jus curious
[07:22] <Chacious> im watching the show " through the wormhole" pritty interesting :)
[07:23] <mikodo__> Chacious, do see me here
[07:24] <Chacious> yes
[07:24] <Chacious> :)
[07:24] <mikodo__> Great! now to remember what you said in earlier about being able to see earlier logs; what was that?
[07:25] <Chacious> are you using xchat?
[07:25] <mikodo__> yes
[07:25] <Chacious> it wont work retroactively, but for the future it will be handy
[07:25] <mikodo__> OK
[07:25] <Chacious> go into settings > preferences
[07:26] <mikodo__> yes
[07:26] <Chacious> under chatting go to logging
[07:26] <mikodo__> yes
[07:26] <Chacious> make sure display scrollback from previous session and enable logging of converstaions to disk is enabled
[07:27] <mikodo__> done! Where will it be saved
[07:27] <Chacious> if you need to see where these logs are being kept click on the bottom left open data folder
[07:27] <mikodo__> Thanks a bunch Chacious
[07:28] <Chacious> no problem :) im very glad to be of help :)
[07:29] <Chacious> feel free to ask away if you need more help
[07:29] <Chacious> its quite helpful when yo usays omeones name as you have been doing because than it shows up in red text for them to show out of a bunch of text, helps single so they know someone is talking  specifically to them
[07:29] <Chacious> when you say someones*
[07:31] <mikodo__> Chacious, I'll try to remember to do that. I am trying to find where in my computer this is saved. It keeps going off the page.
[07:33] <Chacious> mikodo__, what do you mean it keeps going off the page?
[07:34] <mikodo__> Chacious, I have Focus Follows Mouse; and if i click anywhere else, other than the window for it it disappears
[07:35] <Chacious> o, ic
[07:35] <mikodo__> Chacious, I'll get it figured out; I am just distracted with our conversation
[07:35] <Chacious> let me know if i can be of assistance
[07:36] <mikodo__> Chacious, This is going to be great help in the future. Thanks :)
[07:36] <Chacious> no problem :) your very welcome
[07:46] <mikodo__> Chacious, OK; I got it, it is "FreeNode-#ubuntu-beginners and now I can save the text.
[07:47] <Chacious> sweet good job :)
[07:47] <Chacious> glad to hear your making progress
[07:47] <Chacious> do you plan on chatting on this server in the future?
[07:47] <mikodo__> Chacious, Thanks
[07:47] <mikodo__> Chacious, it will be more asking how to's
[07:48] <Chacious> mikodo__, k, I am sure I will be around as well
[07:48] <mikodo__> Chacious, Kool
[07:48] <Chacious> I am also in a couple other rooms
[07:48] <mikodo__> Chacious, wher
[07:48] <Chacious> on this server
[07:49] <mikodo__> Well, it's 01:53 in Canada; I better go to bed! See ya!
[07:50] <Chacious> good night, see you later mikodo__
[07:50] <mikodo__> Goodnite
[08:18] <Chacious> anyone else have this issue in ubuntu 11? you login and no matter whether last time you were logged in you lowered the volume or not the volume is on full blast?
[08:19] <hobgoblin> Chacious: no - but I don't think that's a new issue - seen a lot of those on the forum
[08:20] <Chacious> o really? dang
[08:20] <Chacious> if you leave it logged in and just let it lock and not logout will it do the same thing?
[08:21] <hobgoblin> I can't answer that as I've never had the problem ...
[08:21] <Chacious> k
[08:21] <Chacious> im going to try it
[08:21] <hobgoblin> http://www.google.com/cse?cx=012285703143635244993:i9yr8qlpb18&q=full+volume+sound+#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=full%20volume%20sound%20&gsc.page=1
[08:21] <hobgoblin> have a look through some of those
[08:23] <hobgoblin> I'll have a proper look in a short while
[08:23] <Chacious> thanks for the info
[08:23] <Chacious> i gotta get a couple hours of sleep at least, new version of boinc is available so ill probably update it tomorow and i have that page pulled up so i will look at it, again thanx for the info
[08:23] <hobgoblin> it'd help to know what sound card
[08:30] <Chacious> ac97 audio
[08:52] <alexanderto> hi, anyone around, I'm new here, need answers to some quick questions
[08:53] <alexanderto> I joined Ubuntu just for a few days, I read several links on Ubuntu website and wiki, like UbuntuDevelopers, QuickStart, MOTU etc...
[08:54] <alexanderto> but yet I still have no clue how do I start to contribute by writing code to fix a bug ??
[08:55] <alexanderto> I read the BugSquad link as well and also come to this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[08:55] <alexanderto> also tried to visit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[08:55] <alexanderto> but do I just assign myself to a bug and start digging into it?? how does it work?
[09:01] <hobgoblin> alexanderto: have you gone to this channel and asked?   #ubuntu-bugs
[09:02] <alexanderto> let me try, I was suggested by the wiki that I should ask in the #...beginners channels
[09:11] <Chacious> hello alexanderto
[09:11] <alexanderto> hello
[09:12] <Chacious> I was showering and heard your messages
[09:12] <Chacious> how are you this morning/evening/afternoon
[09:12] <alexanderto> I'm good, it's 5PM here, I am in Singapore
[09:12] <alexanderto> and how are you Chacious?
[09:13] <Chacious> doing good alexanderto  im in the usa its 410am here
[09:13] <alexanderto> 4AM ? haha staying up so late
[09:15] <Chacious> ya been working on some stuff
[09:15] <Chacious> neat win 7 task manager has computer uptime
[09:15] <Chacious> 2d 7h :D
[09:15] <alexanderto> are you saying you've been working on stuffs 2d straight?
[09:16] <Chacious> no my computer has hehe
[09:16] <alexanderto> right, someone in #ubuntu-bugs given me some links
[09:16] <Snicksie> ubuntu has uptime too ^^
[09:17] <Chacious> yup 2 days there too
[09:17] <Chacious> im running a week long trial of boinc crunching seeing how i will do and if i can expand from the projects i have right now a decent bit without sacrificing the current projectsi m running right now
[09:18] <Chacious> projects im*
[09:19] <Chacious> well you guys have fun please excuse me, i must continue my research on some stuff I heard will be back shortly
[09:19] <hobgoblin> alexanderto: glad you got some links
[09:19] <alexanderto> yeah
[09:19] <alexanderto> thanks hobgoblin, I got it from ubuntu-bugs
[09:20] <hobgoblin> cool - glad I could help - even if it was just a point to somewhere else :)
[09:21] <alexanderto> yeah
[15:00] <bioterror> awww, bodhi is now one of those sherlock holmes guys ;)
[15:12] <wisevoyager> Does anyone here would recommended, which desktp environment most suitable for notebook or netbook with low spec?
[15:13] <bdfhjk> hi wisevoyager
[15:13] <bdfhjk> how 'low' is your spec
[15:13] <bdfhjk> 256Mhz ?
[15:13] <bdfhjk> less/more?
[15:13] <wisevoyager> dun know how to check..
[15:13] <bdfhjk> Mhz/RAM
[15:14] <wisevoyager> RAm 1 GiB
[15:14] <bdfhjk> that is not bad
[15:14] <wisevoyager> intel Atom N450
[15:14] <bdfhjk> Did You try Gnome 3.0 ?
[15:14] <bdfhjk> I have similar spec
[15:14] <wisevoyager> yes, but running slower on my machine
[15:15] <holstein> lubuntu has an interesting and easy to get to netbook interface
[15:15] <wisevoyager> after fresh install 11.10 I update to Gnome-shell
[15:15] <holstein> KDE too, but i wouldnt call it light
[15:16] <wisevoyager> holstein, why?
[15:16] <holstein> wisevoyager: because i found it to be heavy
[15:16] <holstein> but, i typically just run a full desktop on my netbooks
[15:17] <wisevoyager> so, what's ur suggestion?
[15:17] <holstein> i use 10.04 LTS with gnome2
[15:17] <holstein> i recently install xubuntu and im just using full XFCE on my netbook right now
[15:17] <wisevoyager> lol.. 10.04? why you still stick on this?
[15:18] <holstein> wisevoyager: well, im just saying lubuntu has an easy to get to netbook interface that is very light weight
[15:18] <holstein> and you can see it from the live CD
[15:18] <holstein> wisevoyager: i consider the non-LTS releases testing
[15:18] <holstein> i have 11.10 installed on one netbook right now though
[15:18] <wisevoyager> holstein, OK thx..
[15:18] <holstein> and i'll install 12.04 early and see if can help test
[15:19] <holstein> wisevoyager: if its a speed issue, i would go with lubuntu's netbook interface
[15:19] <holstein> if its the UI, unity is really making headway in being that UI
[15:19] <holstein> unified UI for everything
[15:19] <wisevoyager> yes, I'll get it now, :D
[15:19] <holstein> unity is the default UI in 11.10 (normal ubuntu)
[15:19] <wisevoyager> lubuntu
[15:20] <holstein> wisevoyager: i installed normal buntu when i got this new-ish netbook (last week)
[15:21] <holstein> i tried unity (again) and checked out KDE and the KDE netbook... lubuntu and lubuntu netbook... i ran gnome3 and unity2d and XFCE
[15:21] <wisevoyager> 0wh, really..
[15:21] <holstein> i tried some other things and really tweaked out a lot of stuff
[15:21] <holstein> then i reinstalled xubuntu 4 days later :)
[15:21] <holstein> you dont have to do it that way though
[15:22] <holstein> wisevoyager: all of these share the same repos
[15:22] <holstein> which means you dont have to choose between them
[15:22] <holstein> you can have the different UI's and choose between them at boot
[15:22] <holstein> lubuntu = ubuntu = xubuntu = ubuntustudio... pretty much... for all intents a purposes
[15:22] <wisevoyager> yeah, I'm gonna try lubuntu 1st by now..
[15:23] <wisevoyager> thx holstein :D
[15:23] <holstein> they are just customized versions of ubuntu with different UI's and different package sets, and some customizations
[15:23] <holstein> wisevoyager: sure :)
[15:23] <holstein> wisevoyager: also, try them live
[15:23] <holstein> you can see how the hardware works, and what the UI is going to be like
[15:24] <wisevoyager> okay, I'll takes some times for both..
[15:25] <wisevoyager> i've try KDE yesterday and found that my mobile broadband dead
[15:26] <wisevoyager> my usb dongle by Zte inc > k3565-z was not detected at all..
[15:28] <wisevoyager> now at home I have wireless, still can go online..
[15:32] <holstein> wisevoyager: right... but you can sort that out
[15:32] <holstein> kubuntu = ubuntu
[15:33] <holstein> so, all the pacakges that give you functionality are there, and useable (in theory)
[16:24] <ratha> hi there
[16:25] <ratha> I just tried to install ubuntu 11.10 on VMware 4.0, and I get this message: "Software virtualization is incompatible with long mode on this platform. Disabling long mode.Without long mode support, the virtual machine will not be able to run 64 bit code"
[16:25] <ratha> could please anyone help ?
[16:25] <Matt123123> Hi, I'm new to linux and trying to install dropbox.  I've downloaded nautilus-dropbox and installed etc but when i try to ruin dropbox it tells me i need to proprietary daemon.  Any ideas?
[16:26] <bdfhjk> hi ratha and Matt123123
[16:26] <ratha> hi
[16:26] <Matt123123> hi
[16:26] <nlsthzn> Matt123123, did you install the deb from the dropbox site?
[16:26] <Matt123123> i went through the application installer in teh os
[16:26] <Matt123123> and also tried downloading from the site i think (might not have been dropbox itself
[16:28] <Matt123123> jsut tried drom dropbox and same story
[16:28] <nlsthzn> Matt123123, typically as part of the install nautilus has to be restarted and the dropbox daemon gets downloaded and started... not sure why this wouldn't have happened in your case...
[16:28] <Matt123123> also, when i click 'ok' on the alert box telling em top get the daemon
[16:28] <Matt123123> it jams
[16:28] <Matt123123> and will only shut with xkill
[16:29] <holstein> Matt123123: the installer?
[16:29] <holstein> mabye the package you downloaded is bad
[16:29] <Matt123123> no, jsut the box saying 'go download the daemon'
[16:29] <ratha> no ideas in my case ?
[16:29] <Matt123123> the installer doesn't launch
[16:29] <holstein> i would re-donnload
[16:29] <holstein> make sure you are actually launching the installer
[16:29] <holstein> and try again from scratch
[16:30] <Matt123123> done several times :/
[16:30] <holstein> Matt123123: maybe we can instigate this from the terminal so we get some feedback.. maybe an error message
[16:30] <Matt123123> removed fully using application manager and re-downlaoded
[16:30] <holstein> Matt123123: i think its important to accept that it *will* work, you just need to aquire the skill :)
[16:30] <nlsthzn> holstein, +a for terminal... maybe purge and re-install
[16:30] <holstein> Matt123123: link me/us where you are getting the .deb from
[16:30] <nlsthzn> +1 I mean >.<
[16:31]  * holstein high-fives nlsthzn :)
[16:31] <Matt123123> firstly i went through software manager
[16:31] <Matt123123> then
[16:31] <Matt123123> http://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx
[16:31] <holstein> Matt123123: software center?
[16:31] <holstein> Matt123123: are you 32bit or 64?
[16:31] <Matt123123> 64
[16:32] <holstein> so, let open a terminal and run...
[16:32] <holstein> wget http://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/ubuntu/nautilus-dropbox_0.7.0_amd64.deb
[16:33] <Matt123123> --2011-11-01 16:32:50--  http://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/ubuntu/nautilus-dropbox_0.7.0_amd64.deb Resolving www.dropbox.com... <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, ... Connecting to www.dropbox.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80...
[16:33] <Matt123123> sitting on that
[16:33] <holstein> then, sudo dpkg -i whatever the package is called...
[16:33] <holstein> Matt123123: right, so that makes me think you have an internet issue
[16:33] <holstein> that package needs internet to go out, after its installed, and *actually* install dropbox
[16:34] <Matt123123> hm
[16:34] <holstein> hmmm indeed...
[16:34] <holstein> Matt123123: run this...
[16:34] <Matt123123> well firefox connects, and after soem drama i managed to get the os to update
[16:34] <holstein> ping -c 8 google.com
[16:34] <holstein> Matt123123: what drama? this is probably related
[16:34]  * nlsthzn tested link and download works
[16:34] <ratha> holstein? i hope u can help me as well, after u're done with Matt123123
[16:34] <Matt123123> PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[16:35] <Matt123123> PING google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.  --- google.com ping statistics --- 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7000ms
[16:35] <Matt123123> yeah that looks like a problem
[16:36] <holstein> ratha: take a look at this, and see if its familiar/relevant http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/cant-create-64-bit-guest-after-upgrade-to-vmware8-910353/
[16:36] <ratha> mh
[16:36] <holstein> Matt123123: thats not goo
[16:36] <ratha> k
[16:36] <holstein> and that is going to be the issue, im about 98% sure
[16:36] <nlsthzn> ratha, I don't know vmware that well but humor me a moment, the host is it 32-bit or 64-bit (and the version of Ubuntu your installing, is it 32-bit or 64)?
[16:37] <Matt123123> no idae about vmware, the machine came with windows 32-bit preinstalled, and to be honest i'm actually runnign Mint but as far as i could work out it's based off ubuntu so i assumed here woudl be as good a place to ask as any
[16:37] <Matt123123> but it si 64 bit
[16:37] <holstein> Matt123123: the vmware stuff is for ratha :)
[16:38] <Matt123123> got it so the computer could actually see all its'ram
[16:38] <ratha> vmware 4.o needs 64bit
[16:38] <holstein> your issue is the network Matt123123
[16:38] <Matt123123> ah, ok
[16:38] <Matt123123> sorry
[16:38] <ratha> i try to install ubuntu 11.10 64b
[16:38] <ratha> and i have an i7
[16:38] <ratha> 2600k
[16:38] <ratha> so it should be able to run 64b
[16:38] <ratha> -.-
[16:38] <holstein> Matt123123: that package just goes out and downloads the proprietary dropbox stuff
[16:38] <holstein> ratha: ability is not the issue
[16:39] <holstein> ratha: the error could be compatibilty related
[16:39] <ratha> i installed the same vmware client and ubuntu on my notebook
[16:39] <holstein> ratha: you could install virtualbox from the software center, and try your luck
[16:39] <ratha> and didnt had any problems with that
[16:39] <ratha> but on my desktop pc ... i get that message
[16:40] <Matt123123> I set my proxies using: sudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf
[16:40] <ratha> i run windows ... as OS
[16:40] <Matt123123> and saving: Acquire::http::proxy "http://snsproxy.nottingham.ac.uk:8080/"; Acquire::ftp::proxy "ftp://snsproxy.nottingham.ac.uk:8080/"; Acquire::https::proxy "https://snsproxy.nottingham.ac.uk:8080/";
[16:40] <ratha> and there I installed VMware Player
[16:40] <Matt123123> to teh file
[16:40] <holstein> ratha: thats helpful... the difference between the installations should tell us what the issue is
[16:40] <ratha> i did the same things on both machines ..
[16:41] <ratha> Laptop has Win7 ultimate
[16:41] <ratha> Desktop win7 pro
[16:41] <holstein> ratha: im not familiar with either really
[16:41] <holstein> virtualbox is open and free and easy to try
[16:41]  * nlsthzn doesn't know Windows virtualization either...
[16:42] <ratha> well VMware is just a virtualization software ..i supposed ..
[16:42] <ratha> and i installed ubuntu from the iso
[16:42] <ratha> strange ..
[16:43] <holstein> ratha: yeah, not sure... if windows is the host, you should try vbox, because i have first hand experience with vbox working on windows 7 home 64bit with ubuntu 32 as guest
[16:43] <ratha> ah ... i know the difference
[16:43] <holstein> i cant speak for vmware on windows, though im sure its just something like that... something picky
[16:43] <ratha> notebook win7 ult ... is 32b
[16:44] <holstein> ratha: there we go :)
[16:44] <ratha> win7 pro on desktop is 64b
[16:44] <holstein> thats what it seems to me, something 32/64 bit related
[16:44] <holstein> just from googling around a bit though
[16:44] <holstein> not positive
[16:44] <ratha> could it be ... that vmware doesnt  like 2 64b OS ?
[16:45] <ratha> i mean ... it would let me install ubuntu either way
[16:45] <holstein> or you need to emulate, or its a config setting on the host
[16:45] <ratha> but it says .... "no 64b funtionality"
[16:45] <holstein> not sure
[16:45] <holstein> i would use a 32bit guest on a 32bit host though
[16:45] <ratha> but on a 64b ?
[16:45] <holstein> depends
[16:45] <ratha> i mean..
[16:46] <ratha> i got 16b memory
[16:46] <holstein> i still only have 2 64bit installs
[16:46] <holstein> one server and one desktop
[16:46] <holstein> not a ton of personal experience
[16:46] <ratha> so u mean i should try installing ubuntu 32b instead of the 64b version ?
[16:46] <holstein> wouldnt hurt
[16:47] <holstein> its going to take some troubleshooting and trial and error to see whats going on
[16:47] <ratha> any idea what that "longmode" is ?
[16:48] <holstein> i thought it was relating to 64bit
[16:48] <holstein> but again, im learning from this as well :)
[16:48] <ratha> could be ...
[16:48] <ratha> cause when i try to install..
[16:48] <ratha> it just says "longmode is disabled for this virtual machine. Continue without 64b-support?"
[16:49] <holstein> can you?
[16:49] <holstein> that makes me think its a settings
[16:49] <holstein> setting*, a config
[16:49] <ratha> it askes me ..
[16:49] <ratha> yes or no ..
[16:49] <holstein> for the host that allows 64bit guests
[16:49] <holstein> ratha: say yes this time, and no next time ;)
[16:49] <ratha> i could take a look in my bios
[16:49] <holstein> or, try and find out how to enable longmode in vmware
[16:50] <ratha> maybe vm support is not enabled there
[16:50] <holstein> longmode is a CPU feature?
[16:50] <ratha> if i choose yes .. it would install
[16:50] <ratha> i have no idea ?!
[16:50] <holstein> not totally sure
[16:51] <ratha> notebook has a C2D CPU
[16:51] <holstein> yeah, those are the kind of questions though, that will tell you
[16:51] <ratha> so actually way beyond i72660k
[16:51] <ratha> -.-
[16:51] <ratha> i7 2600k
[16:52] <holstein> gotta run for a bit... good luck ratha :) ..i think you are on the right track
[16:53] <ratha> ok, thx 4 ur help
[17:40] <fosburg> Is there an application to check the Ubuntu OS for problems and fix the problem(s)?
[17:40] <hobgoblin> in respect of what fosburg ?
[17:40] <hobgoblin> do you mean the OS or your installation?
[17:47] <fosburg> I get a message that something failed when shutting down.  its there for less then a second--no time to read!
[17:49] <urlin2u> fosburg, I would not worry you will see that sort of thing in streams of text on shutdowns, no biggie.
[17:49] <fosburg> It's what I installed and kept updated
[17:49] <urlin2u> huh
[17:49] <urlin2u> details please
[17:50] <fosburg> Not to worry--in encouraging.  Thanks
[17:51] <fosburg> is encouraginf
[18:22] <marion> greetings people
[18:25] <marion> i have something i have been trying to research i need to completely dissable my screen saver and the ability for my pc to go into power saving mode
[18:45] <lalatenduM> marion: didn't get ur question
[18:46] <hobgoblin> lalatenduM: they've gone
[18:46] <lalatenduM> i didn't see that. Thanks hobgoblin
[18:47] <hobgoblin> welcome - I was about to answer - got disconnected and then they were gone
[18:58] <deper29> Hey guys, I'm having trouble installing 11.10. When I boot from USB(or DVD, doesn't seem to matter) I get three options: Install, try, or check disc. No matter which option I choose, I get a black screen after and nothing happens. I have a GeForce GTX 550 Ti Video Card and an Asus P8Z68-V LE Motherboard with a 750 W PS. Help?
[19:06] <lalatenduM> deper29: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1592763
[19:06] <lalatenduM> seee if it helps
[19:14] <Chacious> afternoon everyone
[19:25] <Chacious> any ideas?
[19:25] <Chacious> oops wrong channel
[19:53] <stlsaint> Chacious: yo
[19:54] <Chacious> whats up stlsaint
[20:28] <tenach> In Unity, how does one get alt-tab to work only on windows on a certain virtual desktop?
[20:32] <Chacious> what version?
[21:07] <tenach> Chacious: 11.10
[21:08] <tenach> Reloading brb
[23:13] <nhr> Hi folks, my desktop is not starting at all after fresh install
[23:13] <nhr> Last message on the screen is Checking Battary state... [ OK ]
[23:20] <holstein> nhr: did you get to the desktop with the live CD?
[23:21] <nhr> Yes
[23:21] <nhr> Actually this machine used to work with 11.10 earlier
[23:21] <nhr> But since yesterday this problem started.
[23:21] <holstein> nhr: might want to confirm its not a hardware issue then
[23:21] <nhr> So I did a fresh install - and after fresh install it does not even start
[23:22] <holstein> i typically test the ram/hard drives
[23:22] <nhr> holstein: What do you want me to check?
[23:22] <holstein> nhr: want?... you can check what you'd like.. if the motherboard is failing, or the graphics card, you might see behavior like that
[23:23] <holstein> otherwise, its going to probably be the kernel verion, or you graphics hardware compatibility
[23:23] <nhr> Hmm, I do remember getting a big update yesterday
[23:23] <nhr> Strange - it was working fine before that with 11.10
[23:24] <holstein> maybe you got to the desktop live, and when you install, you say 'install updates while installing' and the kernel is not jiving with your hardware
[23:24] <holstein> nhr: i would have liked to have had you boot an older kernel *before* wiping
[23:24] <nhr> It's same os
[23:24] <holstein> nhr: ?
[23:24] <holstein> then where is the fresh install?
[23:25] <nhr> Since my machine started failing, I decided to try wiping out and try a fresh install
[23:25] <holstein> regardless, when booting, hit the shift key to make grub show up, and see if you have an older kernel there to boot
[23:25] <nhr> let me try that
[23:25] <holstein> nhr: right, so the old failed install is not there any longer for the older kernels to be in
[23:25] <holstein> but... thats just one option
[23:27] <nhr> Tried rebooting - I do get ubuntu splash screen and then it moves to text mode
[23:27] <holstein> nhr: yup... you'll need to hit the shift key
[23:27] <holstein> or edit grub to be unhidden
[23:29] <nhr> Interesting, if I keep the shift key pressed, machine does not start - dont have anything on the screen at all
[23:29] <holstein> nhr: i would get a 10.04 live CD, i would also probably just install 10.04
[23:29] <holstein> but... im fairly sure this is graphics card related
[23:30] <holstein> nhr: nvidia?
[23:30] <nhr> Yes
[23:30] <holstein> im surprised you can get to the desktop from the live CD
[23:30] <holstein> anyways, thats going to be the deal
[23:30] <holstein> nhr: can you get to another TTY?
[23:30] <nhr> yes, I can
[23:30] <holstein> control+alt+F1 or F2
[23:30] <holstein> nhr: OK
[23:31] <holstein> so, i would try upgrading from there
[23:31] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[23:31] <nhr> Did that
[23:31] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:31] <holstein> i would look for an xorg.conf file
[23:31] <holstein> nhr: did you install a proprietary driver?
[23:31] <nhr> Nope - I just keeping hitting next
[23:32] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[23:32] <holstein> you should be able to try installing that from the CLI
[23:33] <nhr> Do you happen to know the package name for drivers?
[23:33] <nhr> I dont have graphical window
[23:34] <nhr> And that guide does not mention the package name
[23:34] <nhr> BTW xorg.conf has almost nothing - 4 lines defining the section - this one is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:35] <holstein> nhr: you should be able to change the driver portion to vesa and get to the desktop
[23:35] <nhr> in xorg.conf?
[23:36] <nhr> It does not mention driver at all
[23:37]  * holstein says in a mechanics voice "theres you're problem"
[23:37] <holstein> nhr: im not sure why you have an xorg.conf
[23:38] <holstein> nhr: you can get to the live desktop from the installer disc?
[23:38] <nhr> yes, thats how I installed it
[23:38] <holstein> nhr: right, but from the desktop?
[23:38] <holstein> or just the installer GUI?
[23:39] <nhr> it was just installer gui, let me boot from cd again
[23:39] <holstein> right, thats the trick
[23:39] <holstein> whatever you get from the live CD's as far as a desktop is generally what you can expect to get otherwise
[23:40] <nhr> ok, booting now - should be up in next 3-4 minutes time based on last experience
[23:41] <holstein> http://itbubbles.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/ubuntu-11-10-onericocelot-ubuntu-does-not-start-after-upgrade-new-kernel-not-installed-lightdm-not-installed/
[23:41] <holstein> is it just nvidia-current?
[23:41] <holstein> i havent tried it, and cant without having the hardware in front of me
[23:41] <holstein> but, im 98% sure you'll find the nvidia hardware is the issue
[23:53] <nhr> holstein: Yes, the pc is around 6 months old and as I said earlier, it was working fine with 11.10, have been using 11.04
[23:53] <nhr> And yes, I do get desktop with live cd
[23:54] <nhr> with unity and all
[23:54] <Chacious> tenach, you ever get help on alt tab to control certain virtual desktop windows?
[23:54] <holstein> nhr: not sure whats going on then.. i would probably either just go back to what works, or i would install, and *not* install upgrades while installing
[23:54] <holstein> i might even pop the network cable out
[23:54] <nhr> ok
[23:55] <holstein> then, i would make a note of what upgrade breaks what
[23:55] <holstein> and work from there with that knowlege
[23:55] <nhr> interesting problem, tried looking at the logs - nothing interesting there as far as I can see
[23:58] <holstein> who *should* be dealing with the bugs for that is nvidia.. but that wont happen
[23:58] <holstein> you can get it working again though...
[23:59] <nhr> ok, I'll log the question to forums also
[23:59] <nhr> At least get the thread started


[00:22] <brainwash> andrzejr: got some new observations, the gtk3 indicator panel box turns transparent when another indicator is loaded later on
[00:24] <brainwash> andrzejr: and this only happens if the panel is set to have no background style -> 'none (use system style)'
[00:25] <brainwash> I cannot reproduce this glitch after defining a background color (panel settings)
[00:29] <brainwash> I'm currently trying to understand the recent transparency fix for xfce4-panel and wrapper-plug.c in general
[02:17] <Unit193> brainwash: Oh, in case you didn't notice, xfwm/xfdesktop built for Saucy and Trusty, no need to be on Trusty to test as long as you get a PPA for the greeter.
[08:36] <elfy> Unit193: saw that - must have picked it up last night, if it's supposed to get rid of the grey then it's masquerading as something else here
[08:37] <Unit193> elfy: Versions for xfdesktop4, xfwm, and lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[08:38] <elfy> 4.11.2-2.1~14.04 and 4.11.1-1ubuntu2.1~14.04 and<PHONE_NUMBER>22~ubuntu14.04.1
[08:38] <elfy> respectively
[08:39] <Unit193> I'm calling dad on you...
[08:39] <Unit193> brainwash: Hey, see anything amiss?
[08:40] <Unit193> elfy: So that all looks good to me, I don't have daily gtk-greeter and I have my packages, but nevertheless...
[08:41] <elfy> Unit193: so I guess it should be working with them then
[08:41] <Unit193> Well, what's the source of xfwm, just to double check?
[08:42] <elfy> http://ppa.launchpad.net/unit193/xfce/ubuntu/
[08:50] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you want me to try the greeter merge tomorrow or do you think you'll get to it soon?
[08:50] <Noskcaj> (although i'll probably fail it)
[08:51] <Unit193> elfy: And I'd presume you've restarted/restarted lightdm after getting the last of the packages?
[08:52] <elfy> updated xfwm last night - so that was here when I booted, last update for xfdesktop4 was on the 19th and greeter was 24th
[08:52] <Unit193> Noskcaj: You testing this?
[08:52] <elfy> I was just looking at the when
[08:52] <Unit193> Well then you should have had everything.
[08:52] <elfy> mmm
[08:54] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I don't have time tonight, might try tomorrow
[09:00] <knome> bluesabre?
[09:01] <Noskcaj> knome, Don't disturb him, he's busy coding. ;)
[09:01] <Noskcaj> And probably will be for the next week
[09:02] <knome> Noskcaj, umm, yes i will disturb him
[09:03]  * Noskcaj really should go and do something else
[09:05] <elfy> morning knome
[09:05] <knome> hello elfy
[11:46] <bluesabre> knome, Noskcaj: or sleeping
[11:47] <knome> bluesabre, debdiff
[11:47] <bluesabre> yup
[11:47] <bluesabre> I'll do that now
[11:47] <knome> ta
[11:47] <bluesabre> and then move on to the greeter merge
[11:47] <knome> :)
[11:47] <bluesabre> so, what needs to be inside of a deb, and what am I diffing against?
[11:48] <knome> lp:xubuntu-docs/precise what needs to be inside
[11:48] <knome> and diff against 11.10.0 or 12.04.0, whichever you please
[11:49] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[12:06] <bluesabre> knome: done, where do I need to upload this debdiff?
[12:07] <knome> the bug
[12:07] <knome> bug 1207493
[12:07] <bluesabre> danke
[12:13] <bluesabre> uploaded
[12:14] <knome> ok, can you do one more thing?
[12:14] <bluesabre> whats up?
[12:14] <knome> poke seb128 in #ubuntu-devel and tell you've uploaded the new debdiff
[12:14] <bluesabre> ok
[12:14] <knome> ta
[12:16] <bluesabre> done
[12:16] <bluesabre> now, the waiting game
[12:17] <knome> ;)=
[12:23] <bluesabre> *chuckle* https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1272652
[12:23] <bluesabre> so, what should the severity of a bad password be? :)
[12:23] <elfy> polka dots
[12:23] <bluesabre> yes!
[12:24] <elfy> red background - red dots
[12:24] <elfy> wfm
[12:28] <knome> bluesabre, btw, did you check the package? :))
[12:28] <knome> /test
[12:28] <bluesabre> no, I assumed that since it was all self-contained (debian and all) it had already been thoroughly tested and all changes were already there
[12:29] <knome> hahahahahah
[12:29] <knome> :P
[12:29] <bluesabre> don't let me down knome!
[12:29] <knome> if you upload the new package you created, i can test it (as i said)
[12:29] <bluesabre> I'll try to pbuilder it now
[12:32] <bluesabre> just a few minutes, hopefully I'll have a package then
[12:42] <bluesabre> knome: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rbfwdd90upfyv7j/QGV9kuZ6MZ/xubuntu
[12:42] <knome> lol
[12:42] <knome> can't see file names without js enabled
[12:43] <bluesabre> you disable js? craaaaaaazy
[12:43] <bluesabre> or you turn it off before clicking on a link from anybody in -team
[12:44] <bluesabre> probably a safe idea
[12:45] <knome> hah
[12:45] <knome> i use noscript
[12:45] <knome> so js is disabled by default
[12:45] <knome> i'll allow as needed
[12:58] <knome> bluesabre, worksforme, ta
[12:58] <bluesabre> fantastic
[12:58] <bluesabre> didn't even have to try that hard :)
[12:59] <knome> lol
[13:00] <knome> just wondering if we need a bigger version number than .0
[13:00] <knome> but... that's solvabl
[13:00] <knome> e
[13:00] <bluesabre> again, just went with what you left me :)
[13:01] <knome> well i said you can debdiff to either 11.10.0 or 12.04.0, which implies that there is a 12.04.0 package
[13:01] <bluesabre> yeah, didn't see one though
[13:01] <bluesabre> the precise package is 11.10
[13:01] <knome> precise-proposed is 12.04.0
[13:02] <knome> that's the earlier SRU upload
[13:02] <bluesabre> ah
[13:03] <bluesabre> it takes too long for a package that only affects one single distro to make it back to the -updates repo
[13:24] <ochosi> hey folks
[13:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: do we have an ETA on the greeter landing in trusty btw? (i presume it'll go via debian?)
[13:32] <bluesabre> ochosi: well, if we consider it stable, let's fix any new bugs, make it 1.8.0, and push it to debian
[13:32] <bluesabre> in which case, I'll hold off on the debian merge for 1.6.1-5
[13:32] <bluesabre> that will basically be our "feature freeze"
[13:33] <bluesabre> that will get us quite a bit more testing too
[13:35] <Unit193> ochosi: Every time I bring up the tabwin I get xfwm4-Message: (nil)  in startxfce4.log
[13:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: also, let's make sure to merge the xfce4-display-settings branch we have this weekend
[13:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: sounds like a good plan, let's make a shortlist for 1.8.0
[13:37] <ochosi> what did you think about my suggestion to include a settings-UI?
[13:37] <ochosi> Unit193: hmm, is that something you can also confirm with the last state of master there without the extra tabwin code?
[13:38] <Unit193> 4.11.1 count?  It's newer.
[13:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: (i mean one that also allows setting the light-locker stuff optionally)
[13:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds like a good idea, but I'd like to get one together for light-locker
[13:38] <ochosi> light-locker has so little options, that i think a settings UI for the greeter that includes those makes more sense
[13:39] <bluesabre> yeah, but then every lightdm project that uses light-locker has to implement their own
[13:39] <bluesabre> which, maybe that's something we should discuss with robert ancell
[13:42] <bluesabre> slickymaster: are you around?
[13:42] <bluesabre> I'm going to upgrade my dokuwiki to the latest stable today, but don't want to interrupt your work
[13:44]  * bluesabre gives some time to respond
[13:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: ubuntu doesn't need a settings UI
[13:45] <ochosi> they control everything with gnome-settings-daemon
[13:45] <ochosi> so they can easily include light-locker settings somewhere (the timed locking is done in ubuntu with g-s-d as well)
[13:45] <bluesabre> ok
[13:45] <ochosi> and there arent *that* many greeters...
[13:46] <ochosi> i think kde also has one
[13:46] <bluesabre> it might also be a good idea to make light-locker configurable via dbus
[13:46] <ochosi> but they would want a settings ui in qt
[13:46] <bluesabre> so that light-locker can worry about setting timeouts and whatnot
[13:46] <bluesabre> or maybe not
[13:47]  * bluesabre still doesn't know enough about x to make a good decision on that stuff
[13:47] <ochosi> nah
[13:47] <ochosi> we didn't implement an extra ticker in light-locker and decided to rely on X11's screensaver extension signal instead
[13:47] <ochosi> so that's the crucial setting
[13:48] <bluesabre> got it
[13:48] <bluesabre> okay, so want to make a lightdm-gtk-greeter_1.8.0 wiki page?
[13:48] <bluesabre> or
[13:48] <bluesabre> a blueprint on the launchpad page
[13:48] <bluesabre> but I'd prefer the wiki myself
[13:50] <ochosi> yeah, the wiki is more responsive
[13:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: furthermore we already have a wiki page :) http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=greeter-roadmap
[13:54] <brainwash> ochosi: so no settings gui for light-locker?
[13:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: you gotta tell me these things :)
[13:54] <brainwash> basically a front-end for xset
[13:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: hehe, well i haven't used it for a while, but andrew got his inspiration on what to implement from there
[13:56]  * bluesabre still thinks xfce-power-man should handle that stuff
[13:56] <ochosi> yeah, but we have more control over the greeter
[13:56] <ochosi> and getting a new powerman release will probably not happen for trusty
[13:56] <bluesabre> right
[13:57] <brainwash> already took some time to get full systemd support :D
[13:57] <ochosi> well there's a branch now where eric merged in all the stuff, but parts of it are still todo, so...
[13:57] <brainwash> but wait.. you can remove power manager and still use light-locker
[13:57] <ochosi> yeah
[13:58] <brainwash> power manager is optional
[13:58] <bluesabre> yeah, but power manager has options for screen timeout and whatnot
[13:58] <bluesabre> and they don't seem to actually do anything
[13:58] <brainwash> only dpms
[13:59] <brainwash> it does not change the screen saver timeout
[13:59] <brainwash> xscreensaver does/did
[14:00] <Migou> Hi people, I'm glad to tell you I'm ready for beta testing! I found time for resizing a partition, and succesfully installed a Xubuntu from a usb key using testdrive-gtk.
[14:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: how long do you think would it take you to set up a basic settings UI?
[14:00] <bluesabre> that's why I think light-locker needs a settings gui
[14:00] <bluesabre> since its made to replace xscreensaver
[14:00] <brainwash> bug 1193716
[14:00] <brainwash> bluesabre: yes, I think so too
[14:01] <brainwash> some basic gui, only few switches, nothing fancy
[14:01] <bluesabre> yeah
[14:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: dunno
[14:02] <bluesabre> ideally not long
[14:02] <bluesabre> but c/vala take 20x longer than a python gtk app
[14:02] <bluesabre> if we have any vala people in this channel, they could probably do it quickly
[14:02] <ochosi> yeah, i dunno, what settings would light-locker-settings even include?
[14:03] <bluesabre> timeout, enabled
[14:03] <ochosi> hmpf
[14:03] <bluesabre> lock on suspend/hibernate
[14:03] <bluesabre> y'know, the xscreensaver stuff, minus the screensaver
[14:04] <ochosi> well for light-locker it'd also mean adding a settings-file
[14:04] <bluesabre> right
[14:05] <bluesabre> or using gsettings or something, but the config file would be best
[14:05] <brainwash> you can enable locking on suspend via xfce4-session (it will call xflock4), and light-locker already does it automatically via dbus
[14:05] <brainwash> this might confuse the user
[14:06] <bluesabre> just things to consider
[14:06] <ochosi> yeah, i thought implementing one or two locker-settings in the greeter might mean less settings-duplication
[14:06] <ochosi> and it already has a settings-file, so..
[14:09] <bluesabre> but that makes it a system-wide config
[14:10] <ochosi> hmmm, true :/
[14:11] <bluesabre> maybe try to talk cavalier into it?
[14:11] <bluesabre> I'd do it, but obviously I've got a whole other list atm :)
[14:11] <ochosi> yeah, i knw
[14:12] <ochosi> humm humm
[14:12] <ochosi> what are you working on atm?
[14:12] <bluesabre> cleaning
[14:12] <bluesabre> :)
[14:12] <bluesabre> then menulibre2.1 and mugshot
[14:12] <bluesabre> then catfish
[14:13] <bluesabre> should also do a parole release today
[14:13] <bluesabre> but I can't compile it as is
[14:13] <bluesabre> need to find a way to not die on deprecation warnings
[14:13] <bluesabre> figure out where that flag is getting toggled
[14:16] <ochosi> hmm :/
[14:17] <ochosi> i'd really hate to see 0.5 in another LTS release...
[14:17] <ochosi> don't wanna keep supporting that foreever
[14:18] <bluesabre> yeah
[14:18] <bluesabre> I'm ready to make it 0.6 any time
[14:19] <ochosi> yeah, i think we should really consider that
[14:19] <bluesabre> ok
[14:19] <ochosi> i mean, doing a stable release soon
[14:19] <bluesabre> I think we're done adding features anyway
[14:19] <ochosi> but it doesn't help if it doesn't build with gtk3.10 :/
[14:19] <ochosi> yeah
[14:19] <bluesabre> I'll try to work on that today too
[14:20] <ochosi> well mostly wanting to add that menuitem
[14:20] <ochosi> for the docs
[14:20] <ochosi> and then it's release-ready i'd say
[14:20] <bluesabre> oh
[14:20] <bluesabre> since you're not on trusty
[14:20] <bluesabre> please try both commands:
[14:21] <bluesabre> ./autogen.sh --enable-debug=full --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-gtk-doc --with-gstreamer=0.10
[14:21] <bluesabre> ./autogen.sh --enable-debug=full --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-gtk-doc --with-gstreamer=1.0
[14:21] <bluesabre> and make them both
[14:21] <bluesabre> to see if there are any build issues
[14:22] <bluesabre> you can also 'make distcheck' too after that
[14:22] <bluesabre> if there are any issues, let's resolve those
[14:25] <bluesabre> otherwise, not quite release-ready :)
[14:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: with-0.10 works fine, only docs warnings (which we already know about)
[14:44] <ochosi> same with 1.0
[14:44] <ochosi> so on saucy / gtk3.8 everything is fine
[14:44] <bluesabre> great, thanks
[14:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: ok, it builds in trusty
[14:55] <ochosi> sweet!
[14:55] <bluesabre> just not with enable-debug=full
[14:55] <ochosi> hmkay
[14:55] <ochosi> we've had that one before...
[14:55] <bluesabre> but since distcheck works, thats fine by me
[14:55] <bluesabre> I'll do a release tonight
[14:55] <ochosi> yup, we can fix that in 0.6.1
[14:55] <bluesabre> 0.6
[14:55] <bluesabre> get any fixes you want in now :)
[14:55] <ochosi> but don't forget to add the menuitem ;)
[14:55] <ochosi> hehe, ok
[14:55] <bluesabre> if you can, please do ;)
[14:56] <ochosi> gotta go to shop, bbiab
[15:00] <bluesabre> k
[15:00] <bluesabre> still cleaning around here
[15:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: so wait, the problem with compiling with enable-debug=full comes from the deprecated stuff and gtk3.10?
[15:23] <brainwash> ochosi: what color does the selection rectangle have in thunar?
[15:23] <ochosi> not sure anymore
[15:23] <ochosi> nothing we set in the theme though
[15:23] <ochosi> bbiab
[15:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes
[15:24] <bluesabre> enable-debug=full turns on the fail on warning
[15:25] <brainwash> ochosi: it's grey here, but blue in every other app
[15:26] <bluesabre> yeah, confirmed grey here too
[15:26] <bluesabre> didn't use to be that way :\
[15:29] <brainwash> thunar seems to ignore the color specified by the theme
[15:30] <brainwash> bug report time again
[15:43] <bluesabre> slickymaster: upgraded my wiki, you can use it without any concerns again :)
[16:13] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi, take a look at my elementary branch
[16:13] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2
[16:13] <ochosi> what will i see when i look there?
[16:14] <sergio-br2> i changed calculator and transmission icon, and initial 96 px release, and others stuff
[16:15] <ochosi> okeydokey, currently i'm re-setting up my laptop (new ssd, install trusty...) so it might take a bit
[16:15] <ochosi> but sounds great
[16:15] <sergio-br2> but it not ready yet, i'm doing revision in each thing i commit.
[16:16] <ochosi> ok
[16:16] <sergio-br2> ochosi, will you change trash icon? I remember that you talk of it. If not, i will put in places/96
[16:22] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, i'm still considering it, but haven't had the time to finish it
[16:22] <ochosi> i mean i have a local proposal for it
[16:23] <sergio-br2> hum, ok, then i will wait
[16:23] <ochosi> yeah, no rush with that
[16:23] <ochosi> the trash is hardly ever visible in 96px ;)
[16:23] <sergio-br2> yeah
[16:23] <ochosi> (hardly anyone puts their sidebar to that size i guess)
[16:23] <ochosi> ok, gotta try to install trusty now, bbiab
[16:24] <sergio-br2> anyone, whisker-menu will be at trusty?
[16:49] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, it's planned
[16:50] <ochosi> ok, installation of trusty daily went smoothly i have to admit
[17:00] <bluesabre> bah, merges are no fun
[17:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: in bzr?
[17:00] <bluesabre> debian -> ubuntu
[17:01] <ochosi> oh, mh
[17:05] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: let's wait on that sync, we'll be pushing 1.8 in a few days, which will get rid of some of the debian patches
[17:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: let me know when you've added the menuitem to parole
[17:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: still working on the migration to trusty..
[17:07] <bluesabre> no hurry :)
[17:07] <ochosi> but yeah, i'll try to look into it asap
[17:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: contents-item added to the menu and pushed
[17:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: great, thanks!
[17:40] <ochosi> np, wasn't too hard or time-consuming
[17:40] <bluesabre> I'll do the release today
[17:40] <ochosi> nice
[17:40] <bluesabre> 0.6.0, right?
[17:40] <ochosi> yeah, i'd say we go for it
[17:40] <ochosi> unless there are bugs you wanna fix first
[17:40] <bluesabre> out of bugs that are easy to fix
[17:41] <ochosi> :>
[17:41] <bluesabre> we'll get plenty of bug reports once this hits sid/trusty
[17:41] <ochosi> i guess so
[17:41] <ochosi> i think it's ready to go stable, we might have to do a 0.6.1 soon anyway ;)
[17:41] <bluesabre> or once an arch user picks it up :)
[17:41] <ochosi> and this way we at least get more testing
[17:41] <bluesabre> agreed
[17:49] <sergio-br2> ochosi, there is a pull request from Noskcaj in elementary, is somethin missing in his branch?
[17:50] <ochosi> sergio-br2: can't remember to be frank :/
[17:51] <ochosi> it's been a long time since he submitted that
[17:54] <ochosi> sergio-br2: feel free to check whether the icons are ok and work as expected
[17:54] <ochosi> if so, we can merge it
[17:55] <sergio-br2> hum, ok
[17:55] <sergio-br2> i will see
[17:57] <ochosi> time to switch back to trusty...
[18:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: parole 0.6.0 released
[18:12] <bluesabre> want to ping Corsac about getting it into debian?
[18:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks, and done
[18:16] <ochosi> and i'm on trusty now, finally
[18:16] <ochosi> still gotta set up my dev-env, but i think i'll get there
[18:16] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[18:17] <ochosi> np
[18:17] <ochosi> thanks for doing the releases
[18:17] <bluesabre> yup, releases are easy so np
[19:01] <ochosi> sergio-br2: started to look at your branch now. i think the calculator change can be fine, but i'd tone down the color of the number a bit. it's ok that it's readable, but it's not important, so it shouldn't be too much in the foreground
[19:06] <ochosi> transmission also looks good, the changes seem very subtle to me, so i think you can pursue that
[19:08] <ochosi> apps/128/preferences-desktop-sound looks a bit too small for being in that folder :)
[19:10] <bluesabre> 09:05  bluesabre: Noskcaj: let's wait on that sync, we'll be pushing 1.8 in a  few days, which will get rid of some of the debian patches
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ok, sounds good
[19:10] <Noskcaj> plus that will be put in unstable rather than exp
[19:11] <Noskcaj> FYI: gmusicbrowser's new version is now in unstable
[19:11] <Noskcaj> and gthumb is in exp
[19:12] <ochosi> nice, so gmb will hopefully be synced to ubuntu soon
[19:12] <Noskcaj> yeah
[19:25] <brainwash> Unit193: new xfwm4 package from your PPA works fine here, according to elfy's feedback there might a problem with nvidia + open source driver
[19:26] <Unit193> Oh bah, always a problem with that.  drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)  (though it's tad older.)
[19:27] <brainwash> I cannot test it with the nouveau driver, because I got no nvidia card at home :)
[19:29] <brainwash> Unit193: new patch for xfdesktop available https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10605
[19:31] <brainwash> this time I'll test it locally, no need to abuse your PPA
[19:32] <Unit193> I'm planning on making a package, but not in PPA.
[19:33] <brainwash> for your own use?
[19:33] <Unit193> Test it, yeah.  Whoever else might want to. :P
[19:34] <brainwash> sounds good
[19:41] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/dump/
[19:48] <sergio-br2> ochosi, you mean, in what size of calculator?
[19:49] <sergio-br2> i forgot to resize the preferences-desktop-sound in 128... my bad
[19:55] <sergio-br2> i think i changed the calculator button color only in the small icons
[19:56] <sergio-br2> indeed, i have the right  preferences-desktop-sound 128 icon... but forgot to commit
[19:57] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Were there any dependency changes from parole 0.5.91 to 0.6.0?
[19:59] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: pretty sure there were not
[19:59] <Noskcaj> then i should be up to the nagging corsac for uploads stage of packageing in half an hour
[20:01] <bluesabre> oh, don't we already bugged him :)
[20:01] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:25] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, As in, i just committed the packaging, it's in need of upload
[20:26] <bluesabre> do we sync parole from debian?
[20:30] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, We would if corsac wasn't quite so against autoreconf. Or did you update the macros with this release?
[20:30] <ochosi> sergio-br2: i looked mainly at the 48px version of the calculator when comparing current/proposed
[20:30] <bluesabre> didn't touch any of that
[20:30] <Noskcaj> The merge i guess
[20:31] <Noskcaj> *then
[20:49] <ochosi> meh, annoying bug in gtk3.10 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909
[20:49] <ochosi> (just in case anyone thinks of reporting this as a bug against greybird)
[20:57] <ochosi> sergio-br2: btw, for your 96px icons to be actually used, the index.theme file has to be updated
[20:59] <Noskcaj> When can we expect 512x icons? They are now part of hicolor ;)
[20:59] <sergio-br2> 1 or 2 icons in 512 px :D
[21:01] <sergio-br2> i will fix this ochosi, thanks
[21:01] <ochosi> thing is, as long as icons aren't used anywhere in that size, it makes no sense to draw them
[21:02] <ochosi> other than that, i think your merge-request looks ok
[21:03] <ochosi> gotta look at it a bit more, but then we can merge it in
[21:04] <sergio-br2> i will fix somethings, then you can merge
[21:06] <sergio-br2> elementary has a new package-x-generic mime, you saw?
[21:06] <sergio-br2> btw, i put labels to this package mime in 64 and 96 (zip, tar.gz...)
[21:16] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, saw it, maybe we should also do that for 128px then...
[21:17] <ochosi> mimes are lots of work, because there are so many icons
[21:17] <sergio-br2> yeah
[21:17] <ochosi> took me a while to do all the 64px ones
[21:17] <sergio-br2> but i think i will merge this package update from elementary
[21:17] <sergio-br2> then i change it in 128. A lot of work...
[21:17] <McLovin> I just use gimp and then resize and save in the proper folders
[21:18] <sergio-br2> ?
[21:19] <McLovin> for doing icons?
[21:19] <ochosi> yeah, but we work with svg
[21:19] <McLovin> there has to be a way to do a batch job to take care of it
[21:20] <Noskcaj> McLovin, not really
[21:20] <McLovin> oh, svg you really don't have to change the size, as it resizes itself auto
[21:22] <sergio-br2> actually, it is not only resize... each size, is a different icon. You have to change many things, and see if it fits well in png
[21:23] <McLovin> well, yeah, some icons do change depending on what it is
[21:23] <McLovin> but I use png for icons that have to change with size
[21:24] <ochosi> sergio-br2: weird, the package icon in elementary looks the same: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-01-25-222332.php
[21:24] <McLovin> for anything that is uniform in all sizes, I just set an svg, and I'm done with it
[21:24] <sergio-br2> no, there is a little change
[21:25] <sergio-br2> i get from launchpad, using bzr
[21:25] <ochosi> me too
[21:26] <sergio-br2> strange
[21:26] <sergio-br2> you get the svg?
[21:26] <sergio-br2> in 48, it is a little different
[21:29] <ochosi> ok, yeah, very subtle change
[21:29] <ochosi> they also have a new photoshop mime icon amongst others
[21:30] <sergio-br2> photoshop?
[21:31] <ochosi> image-vnd.adobe.photoshop.svg
[21:31] <sergio-br2> yeah, can see here
[21:31] <ochosi> (we don't even have that, i guess we could symlink it)
[21:31] <sergio-br2> you will merge this?
[21:32] <sergio-br2> btw, gimp opens photoshop files?
[21:32] <ochosi> not sure yet, if i have time, maybe
[21:32] <ochosi> yeah, gimp opens them
[21:33] <sergio-br2> the package mime, you like the color? I think we can merge the others detail, but stay with old color
[21:34] <ochosi> i like that the shadow is less pronounced in the new version
[21:34] <ochosi> i'm fine with staying with the old colors
[21:34] <ochosi> although i don't think that ppl on average monitors will see much difference
[21:36] <sergio-br2> :D
[21:37] <knome> doing really minor changes for downstream is a bit meh in general.
[21:38] <ochosi> yeah, i usually never do it
[21:38] <ochosi> the terminal icon was a bit of an exception
[21:38] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: since you both seem to be around, when would be good for you to do the wallpaper voting? or would you wanna do it now?
[21:39] <knome> i have time to do it today
[21:39] <pleia2> sure, now is fine
[21:39] <ochosi> cool
[21:39] <knome> ok, so give me some time
[21:39] <knome> in 20 mins?
[21:39] <ochosi> sounds good
[21:40] <knome> ok, brb
[21:40] <pleia2> I need to look at them anyway :)
[21:40] <ochosi> hehe
[21:41] <pleia2> omg there are like 4000 of them
[21:41] <ochosi> hehe, not really
[21:41] <brainwash> ochosi: you were right, trying to fix visual glitches in usc is really a waste of time :D
[21:41] <pleia2> ok, 165 :)
[21:41] <ochosi> knome took down the tarball of his server already...
[21:42] <pleia2> I gave you the link, if you need
[21:45] <pleia2> ah, this file includes the little ones too
[21:46] <knome> my server? :)
[21:46] <ochosi> yup, you need to rm *250*
[21:46] <knome> it was on pleia2's server!
[21:47] <ochosi> ah
[21:47] <ochosi> well, anyhoo, i migrated to a new ssd and havent pulled everything along yet
[21:48] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, it is... well unless you get in touch with upstream and make them fix it or submit patches
[21:50]  * pleia2 votes for all the pink ones
[21:52] <knome> shall we flood the channel, or create a temporary one?
[21:58] <ochosi> create a temp i guess
[21:58] <ochosi> since i presume there might also be some casual discussion in between
[21:58] <knome> my proposal is another channel, then pastebin the log (or create a new meeting minutes page) and paste the link to this channel
[21:59] <knome> #xubuntu-community-wallpapers
[21:59] <knome> (everybody is free to join of course)
[22:14] <knome> pleia2!
[22:15] <pleia2> ohi
[22:15] <knome> :P
[22:15] <knome> see your invite, or the backlog
[22:37] <sergio-br2> ochosi, why places type in index.theme are fixed? The others like apps are scalable
[22:37] <ochosi> sergio-br2: i'll get to it once the voting is over
[22:37] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:58] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, agreed, the index.theme should be revisited
[22:59] <sergio-br2> ok, i will do that
[22:59] <ochosi> would be good to test how that affects apps
[22:59] <ochosi> best way to test is xfdesktop
[23:00] <ochosi> because you can set the icon-size manually in 1px steps
[23:03] <sergio-br2> small icons are fixed type...
[23:03] <ochosi> yeah, that's ok
[23:03] <ochosi> you can also check gnome
[23:04] <ochosi> we don't want apps to scale e.g. toolbar icons
[23:04] <ochosi> (which they do, which is why they are fuzzy when you use the same theme in svg)
[23:04] <ochosi> (prominent example: inkscape)
[23:04] <sergio-br2> humm, ok
[23:05] <sergio-br2> but places 48, 64, 96, 128, are fixed too?
[23:06] <ochosi> i know, that is something we can change i think
[23:06] <ochosi> but i'd like to test it
[23:06] <ochosi> usually apps don't use random icon-sizes
[23:06] <ochosi> so setting all to scalable isn't a great idea
[23:06] <ochosi> you can also control icon-sizes with xsettings
[23:07] <ochosi> and if you just set them to some random size, you'll end up with fuzzy icons
[23:10] <sergio-br2> i included only 96 things.
[23:18] <ochosi> sergio-br2: what do you mean exactly?
[23:18] <sergio-br2> included only 96 things in index.theme. Better not change the others :)
[23:19] <ochosi> :)
[23:19] <ochosi> ok, i'll test how the desktop handles them and will update the index.theme
[23:51] <ochosi> bluesabre: what does mugshot 0.2 do that 0.1 didn't?
[23:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: gets accepted into debian is really the main feature
[23:52] <ochosi> :>
[23:52] <ochosi> why didn't 0.1?
[23:52] <bluesabre> other than than, python3 by default, help goes to url, etc
[23:52] <bluesabre> basically the person that reviewed it hated the packaging
[23:53] <ochosi> ok, i see
[23:53] <bluesabre> so, I've upgraded the packaging
[23:53] <bluesabre> and Noskcaj can now help :)
[23:53] <Noskcaj> Will do
[23:53] <bluesabre> :)
[23:53] <ochosi> nice
[23:54] <bluesabre> I'll have that release probably tonight
[23:54] <bluesabre> and menulibre-2.0.1 tomorrow
[23:54] <Noskcaj> yay.
[23:54] <bluesabre> catfish sometime this week
[23:54] <bluesabre> going to be a productive time for me :)
[23:54] <Noskcaj> And 14.04 will be a great release
[23:54] <bluesabre> indeed
[23:55] <knome> it was always going to be!
[23:55] <ochosi> what's needed for catfish?
[23:55] <bluesabre> just some minor updates to appease the debian folks
[23:55] <knome> an aquarium, and some food
[23:55] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: do you have the link to the debian issues?
[23:55] <Noskcaj> one sec
[23:55] <Noskcaj> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=catfish
[23:55] <bluesabre> thanks!
[23:56] <Noskcaj> plus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish
[23:56] <Noskcaj> pexpect is a fairly big issue really
[23:57] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:57] <bluesabre> and now that python3-pexpect is available, we're in pretty good shape
[23:58] <Unit193> ochosi: xfwm 4.11.1 doesn't do it.
[23:58]  * Unit193 back to tabwin.
[23:58] <Noskcaj> yep, although i think i have some work to do on pexpect in debian
[23:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: they all sound manageable, what icon-name are you using now btw?
[23:58] <ochosi> Unit193: :)
[23:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: ?
[23:59] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1258713
[23:59] <Unit193> ochosi: So you borked stuff?
[23:59] <bluesabre> yeah, thats fixed in trunk
[23:59] <ochosi> Unit193: what where who?


[15:58] <scott-upstairs> anyone here for the meeting?
[15:58] <holstein> in 2 hours?
[15:58] <holstein> is that right?
[16:10] <scott-upstairs> eh, i thought it was now, okay, i'll come back then :)
[16:12] <holstein> scott-upstairs: i never do the conversion properly... lemme look
[16:28] <ailo> It might have been now.
[16:28] <ailo> Well, maybe not. I don't remember
[16:28] <holstein> ive got it in 30 minutes scott-upstairs ailo
[16:33] <ailo>  I'm not of much help, but I can attend the meeting anyhow
[16:33] <holstein> i think i can
[16:38] <ScottL> holstein, i think you are right, the wiki shows 17:00 UTC
[16:38] <ScottL> which is now 20 mins away for me
[16:49] <ailo> I've done some midi editing a couple of days, using Ardour3 and qtractor
[16:49] <ailo> It's a headache to say the least
[16:50] <ailo> It's almost impossible to get finished with anything more advanced than 4/4 in the same tempo
[16:50] <ailo> All sorts of bugs
[16:50] <ailo> Thinking about trying rosegarden next
[16:51] <ailo> Ardour3 got borked almost right away for me. When I entered midi notes, they would appear a few bars ahead
[16:52] <ailo> Now, my qtractor project has something corrupted that makes it impossible to edit a midi file, or it freezes
[16:52] <ailo> Still just trying to finish one track
[16:53] <ailo> What I'm doing is I'm making a drum track using Hydrogen as an instrument, so I can record some guitars and have something resembling a beat to play along with
[16:53] <ailo> A way to get a feel for the arrangement as well
[16:54] <ailo> Wow, 914 MB just to install rosegarden on this Debian install :P
[16:56] <ailo> I'm pretty happy with rakarrak.
[16:57] <ailo> Only thing missing is a good drum sample library. Gotta get one together soon (well, maybe not a good one, but a real one)
[16:58] <ailo> Aside from rosegarden, I guess there's still MusE
[16:59] <astraljava> Are we going to have a meeting? My connection sucks, so don't hold be responsible for chairing, please.
[16:59] <astraljava> be == me
[17:01] <ailo> astraljava: Sounds like you have a cold. Have some lemon bee
[17:01] <astraljava> Hehe.  It pulled in a lot of other stuff too I guess. Since I'm getting my hands dirty with midi editing now, it's a perfect opportunity to see which sequencer actually holds water
[17:17] <ailo> So far I'm not too happy with either qtractor or Ardour3
[17:18] <ailo> I'm not able to finish a project with those two
[17:18] <len> ardour3 still doesn't seem to put out toc files either.
[17:18] <len> I am thinking it tries to do too much
[17:19] <len> have you tried lmms?
[17:19] <ailo> For audio recording, Ardour3 is great. But for midi, well, it's still so new
[17:19] <ailo> I haven't for a long time
[17:19] <ailo> What I need is to be able to do advanced midi editing
[17:19] <len> When I downloaded rose the docs were 600m
[17:19] <ailo> Really? Wow
[17:20] <len> That may also be the reason pure data comes docless.
[17:20] <ailo> len: It doesn't come without docs
[17:21] <len> Well then there may be a bug ,because I couldn't find any docs.
[17:21] <ailo> len: They are in the form of patches. You can find them using the help browser
[17:22] <ailo> Or, in /usr/lib/pd/doc/*
[17:22] <len> Or at least when I went to the help menu on the title bar and selected docs it came up empty.
[17:23] <ailo> len: There's no docs item in the help menu, but there is "browser"
[17:23] <len> Still nothing there though in the iso I checked.
[17:24] <ailo> I don't get what you mean, since pd always comes with those docs
[17:24] <len> Yes the docs are there in /usr/lib/pd/doc/
[17:25] <len> but when I tried to access them from pd I wasn't able to. I will try again when next I am up with US1204
[17:25] <len> Maybe I did something wrong.
[17:25] <ailo> len: There could be a bug with that version of pd, not sure. I seem to remember something like that
[17:26] <len> is there a meeting?
[17:26] <ailo> It's here if we're going to have one
[17:27] <len> Ok. I have to go soon. The only comment I have... is that it would be nice to see more small changes happening as they are needed.
[17:27] <astraljava> Yeah, let's wait for Scott, cause we would have to make some decisions, and we can't make them without the leader.
[17:28] <len> It would be better for testing if we knew about problems earlier than later
[17:28] <astraljava> len: ACK. Things have been rather crazy lately, for me, and apparently for Scott as well.
[17:28] <ScottL> sorry got wrapped up in family stuff
[17:29] <len> Is it hard to drop things into the iso? Just the seeds or metas too?
[17:30] <len> From my know next to nothing view it seems like it would be "simple" to make any one change.
[17:31] <ScottL> len, i've been making changes
[17:31] <ScottL> i've updated the lightdm theme and the default-settings package to address some of the things we already acknowledged
[17:32] <ScottL> i would like to get micahg  to upload these today or tomorrow after i test them on my precise-test machine (i've already built theme)
[17:32] <len> Good, So I should see that soon then.
[17:32] <ScottL> there will probably be some issues with either the theme name and icon theme name
[17:33] <ScottL> some things got changed (not by me) and i'm not sure how they will react
[17:33] <len> One of the problems with adding a package after install, is that the user already has settings installed.
[17:34] <len> It would be better to replace the package on the usb iso  and reinstall.
[17:34] <len> At the least you need to create a new user.
[17:34] <ScottL> len, when the package is tested that it installs then it will be uploaded to the repositoriy and then included in the iso after the next build (whenver it is)
[17:35] <ScottL> again, hopefully this is done this today/tomorrow
[17:35] <len> Ah, you just want to see if it installs. Thats diferent.
[17:35] <ScottL> my goal is to address groups of issue on a weekly basis
[17:35] <ScottL> len, yes....test build and install
[17:35] <ScottL> then validate if it does what it is suppose to fix
[17:36] <len> Theme changes will be seen best by creating new user.
[17:36] <ScottL> once the iso installs without hanging up or dumping us to terminal or whatever i want to tackle the jack rt issue and pulseaudio<->jack bridging
[17:37] <len> lightdm changes should show ok on their own.
[17:37] <ScottL> on the former, cjwatson has maintained that the preseeding should work but ubiquity is running the preseeding _after_ the installation
[17:37] <len> jack-pa bridging looks like setup changes.
[17:38] <ScottL> the later, i will talk directly to david h. (who seems to be the expert or most interest and is an audio core-dev guy) about how it should work and then compare our setup
[17:38] <len> If preseeding is after the install then a mv command should work fine.
[17:39] <ScottL> len, right, but it should install correctly with preseeding, it does it correctly on other variants i believe
[17:39] <ScottL> but i want to make sure the iso installs as properly as possible before i poke cjwatson further
[17:39] <len> jack-pa the problem is that PA still tries to send audio directly to alsa which is blocked by jack
[17:40] <ScottL> len, there has been quite a bit of work with d-bus to make things play better, i still suggest that something might have changed which unwittingly is making things not work well with jack
[17:40] <ailo> I suppose the jack PA bridge is entirely Ubuntu and not Ubuntu Studio? and that those guys are working on it?
[17:40] <ScottL> len, aye, other people are working on pulse audio, but david h. should be able to suss it out for us
[17:41] <len> I got one reply on the bug asking for a log file. nothing since
[17:42] <len> That may help. as from my view it can be either a PA bug or a US setup problem.
[17:42] <ScottL> one issue for the group, does anyone object to making a LTS application to the technical board?  it would be for three years and a best effort commitment
[17:43] <ScottL> len, david h. is very fluent in both pulse audio and jack and will be able to help us, i spoke with him at the last UDS about this issue
[17:43] <len> It depends on PA's ideas as to what is right or the right way of doing things.
[17:44] <ScottL> so this coming week i hope to focus on jack rt and pulseaudio<->jack
[17:44] <cfhowlett> I only do LTS releases, so if 12.04 will be ready, I wholeheartedly support the LTS application.
[17:44] <len> I think the question is not support so much as " have we reached our goals for this version?"
[17:44] <ScottL> the following week i would like focus on the ubiqutiy plugin that astraljava worked up
[17:45] <len> That is: is the switch to xfce complete.
[17:45] <ScottL> len, i would posit that the goals for any version are never reached until practically at the last of the cycle
[17:45] <ScottL> the question i think we should ask, do we want to support a particular release over a given period for our users
[17:46] <ScottL> i prefer to run the LTS version until certain apps (e.g. ardour) can't be updated
[17:46] <len> I understand that, to rephrase: does it look like the switch to xfce will be complete? if it does then this would be a good time to call it LTS
[17:47] <ScottL> i'm not sure i would want that as a qualifier at this point, we can always keep updated the packages, even after release, to fix issues
[17:47] <len> ok.
[17:47] <ScottL> therefore, if something in xfce isn't where we want it, the use can install and then upgrade the package
[17:48] <len> Doesn't that happen pertty much on it's own?
[17:48] <ScottL> sometimes
[17:48] <ScottL> but perhaps we have a wrong config file and that is _our_ implementation problem
[17:48] <ScottL> not xfce's or ubuntu's or canonical's or even xubuntu's, most likely
[17:49] <ScottL> for example, i just realized two/three days again i had a config file in the wrong directory for lightdm
[17:49] <ScottL> this is probably causes some of our problems and it was a stupid mistake on my part
[17:49] <ScottL> but it's OUR problem, not anyone else's
[17:50] <len> It's why we do testing.
[17:50] <ScottL> aye :)
[17:50] <ScottL> and you have been a HUGE help in that department!
[17:50] <ScottL> and all your efforts and comments have been MOST appreciated
[17:50] <len> We expect mistakes... no mistakes means no movement.
[17:52] <len> Anyway, I'm ok with LTS if my vote has any meaning.
[17:52] <len> Anything about menus?
[17:52] <cfhowlett> If it's LTS worthy and ready, then yes.  Please.
[17:53] <astraljava> len: Of course your vote has meaning, they're all equal.
[17:54] <ScottL> len, yes, we value your vote
[17:54] <ScottL> len, as to menus, we'll see when this happens, like some of the smaller issues
[17:54] <ScottL> they might happen in march (or on the cusp) unfortunately
[17:55] <ScottL> again, i think some discussion needs to happen before we make changes
[17:55] <ScottL> len, do you still have your menu currently changed?
[17:55] <len> Ok, I have a gig gotta go. I have been working on menu files. I'll post them on the list for feed back.
[17:55] <ScottL> we might use your screenshots to further the discussion
[17:55] <ScottL> good luck at the gig
[17:56] <len> Can I get screen shots of menus? everytime I have a menu open I can't seem to do anything else.
[17:56] <ScottL> len, you can do a timed schreenshot from the menu
[17:56] <ScottL> accessories -> screenshot
[17:57] <ScottL> and choose a 5 sec delay or something like that
[17:57] <ScottL> then open the menu and wait
[17:57] <len> Ah! ok gotta go. Bye all
[18:00] <ailo> rosegarden crashed. That's how I remember it. Sudden crashes. MusE seems to be really easy to work with concerning midi, but why the hell does it install Swedish, when I have English as my system language!
[18:04] <astraljava> ScottL: What is our stance on the LTS question? Same as Xubuntu?
[18:10] <ScottL> astraljava, yes, i was going to propose the same
[18:10] <astraljava> Sounds good.
[18:11] <astraljava> ScottL: What features are we going to be driving before Beta-1? I should get the ubiquity plugins ready during Tuesday. But what else?
[18:14] <astraljava> ailo: That Muse behaviour seems really interesting. Would you be willing to debug it with me, let's say, on Wednesday or after that?
[18:25] <ScottL> astraljava, i was really hoping to get the lightdm updates pushed and verified before moving on to ubiquity plugin
[18:25] <ScottL> astraljava, but that was because i just wanted to keep things modular and simple
[18:25] <ScottL> astraljava, it doesn't have to be that way however
[18:26] <ScottL> kinda to focus on a single problem, prepare fix, verify fix, and mark it off the list
[18:28] <astraljava> ScottL: Sure, I understand that.
[18:31] <ailo> astraljava: Well, I believe the program has a bug which makes it choose the language file from some other criteria than the system language. I deleted the non English locales from /usr/share/muse/locale/* which solved my problem
[18:31] <ailo> I've posted on their forum on Sourceforge
[18:32] <ailo> Just found their bug tracker, so I will put a note there as well
[18:33] <ailo> I love working with the midi editor. Let's see if I can get more stable performance (no missing beats and buggy editing)
[18:34] <astraljava> ailo: Ok.
[18:58] <ScottL> hi shnatsel
[18:58] <shnatsel> hi ScottL
[19:07] <astraljava> ScottL: So, are you available on Tuesday, so we can go over the changes I've made?
[19:45] <shnatsel> aaarg looks like all the time I spent on lp:ubuntu-cdimage is wasted
[19:46] <shnatsel> it wants one and only one repo with all needed packages, and there seems to be no sane way to merge repos
[19:46] <shnatsel> well, I hope the seeds docs were useful to you at least
[20:02] <ScottL> astraljava, i will make myself available :)
[20:02] <ScottL> shnatsel, i'm sorry to hear that :/
[20:02] <ScottL> they were useful, however
[20:04] <shnatsel> not wasted then
[20:24] <astraljava> shnatsel: You should talk to LP devs, maybe there is a way after all.
[20:25] <astraljava> ScottL: Ok, cool.
[20:25] <shnatsel> astraljava: it's not about lp, it's about ubuntu ISO builds
[20:25] <shnatsel> astraljava: well, there is a way. I've found one.
[20:25] <astraljava> shnatsel: But what repos are you mentioning, then?
[20:26] <shnatsel> astraljava: I need to merge ubuntu archive with several PPAs
[20:26] <shnatsel> astraljava: well, I don't anymore.
[20:26] <astraljava> shnatsel: That's what I meant. All the repos are under LP umbrella. They might know the way.
[20:26] <shnatsel> astraljava: screwed it and rewriting in-house build system again.
[20:26] <astraljava> shnatsel: Ok.
[20:26] <shnatsel> astraljava: ah, thanks!
[20:30] <ScottL> micahg, ping
[20:30] <micahg> pong
[20:31] <ScottL> wow, hehe, thought it would be a bit :P
[20:31] <ScottL> i'm almost ready
[20:31] <ScottL> with fixes to -default-settings and -lightdm-theme
[20:31] <ScottL> testing once more after ppa rebuilds (which should be quick as there really isn't a "binary")
[20:32] <ScottL> micahg, do you have experience with icons theme and theme names?
[20:33] <ScottL> either way i would expect to have the bzr changes pushed in about a hour (i need to run to store with kids first)
[21:47] <ScottL> micahg, if i have a single bug for which i have several lines in the changefile, can i do the following:
[21:47] <ScottL>   [bug #000000]
[21:47] <ScottL>
[21:48] <ScottL>    * fixed this
[21:48] <ScottL>   * fixed that
[21:48] <ScottL> etc?
[21:48] <micahg> well, would be LP: #XXXXXX, but yeah
[21:49] <knome> here i am
[21:50] <ScottL> hehe, yeah, thank you micahg, just tidying up changelog and seeing if i need another bug report
[21:50] <ScottL> hi knome
[21:50] <knome> hey!
[21:50] <knome> what's up?
[21:51] <ScottL> just working on the -default-settings and -lightdm-theme packages so the iso should boot without problems finally
[21:51] <knome> right
[21:51] <knome> good luck with that
[21:51] <ScottL> i'm feeling good about what i got
[21:53] <knome> what about the cards?
[21:53] <ScottL> knome, also, astraljava and i should be testing the ubiquity plugin on tuesday as well
[21:53] <knome> oo, shiny
[21:54] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html
[21:54] <knome> cabin crew prepare for landing!
[21:54] <ScottL> knome, hmmm, cards...i still have about three things to do tonight and a meeting at work on tuesday for which i REALLY need to prepare, so let's say wednesday i will make changes
[21:54] <knome> changes? :)
[21:55] <ScottL> alsdllkfjlaklkaslkdflk
[21:55] <ScottL> sorry, was thinking slideshow
[21:55] <ScottL> hehehe, my bad
[21:55] <knome> hehe, that's fine :D
[21:55] <knome> changes with cards are fine too...
[21:55] <knome> just want to know you'll get them safely to your printer - assuming you will send them to one :)
[21:55] <ScottL> i'd actually like to wait until later for the slideshow if possible actually
[21:55] <ScottL> knome, yes, i would like to send them to a printer and i do not have any changes :)
[21:56] <knome> no problem, i can upload what we got now to the main branch
[21:56] <knome> or do you want me to hold that too?
[21:56] <ScottL> knome, that is a good idea, at least we have something and we can change it as well
[21:56] <knome> okay, great
[21:56] <knome> i'll do that tonight
[21:56] <ScottL> s/well/will
[21:56] <ScottL> thank you again knome, without you and shimmer/xubuntu we would have not gotten many things done
[21:56] <knome> np, happy to help
[21:57] <ScottL> i wish i knew more and could do more to help you
[21:57] <ScottL> but i'm learning a lot (which i really enjoy doing)
[21:58] <knome> nah, this is fine
[22:00] <knome> i've made a merge proposal
[22:00] <knome> added dylan mccall as the reviewer, since he knows the internal stuff
[22:01] <knome> and that would be https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/precise/+merge/93750
[22:09] <astraljava> knome: Yeah, I intend to finish both ubiquity plugins on Tuesday, I'll be home tomorrow evening.
[22:29] <knome> astraljava, nice :)
[22:29] <knome> astraljava, how are you, btw?
[22:33] <astraljava> I'm okay, really tired, but happy that the trip is almost over. Both interviews went fine, so at least that should be good news. I didn't really enjoy the expo that much, but the greek friend is always a blast to see. As were you guys. :)
[22:34] <knome> hehe. great to hear. and thanks :)
[22:34] <knome> you're always welcome again
[22:37] <astraljava> Cheers, I intend to. :)
[22:40] <knome> great!
[22:41] <knome> we might even be able to organize an nhl-night with 3 other guys, if you're interested
[22:42] <astraljava> Of course I am! :)
[22:42] <astraljava> But I think I need to practice first. :)
[22:44] <astraljava> knome: Are you using chrome or ff?
[22:45] <astraljava> It seems chrome leaks memory like crazy now. I had to go back to ff.
[22:54] <scott-upstairs> micahg, ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme version 3:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme
[22:54] <scott-upstairs> micahg, ubuntustudio-default-settings version 93:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[22:56] <scott-upstairs> micahg, hold on a second!  i realized i forgot to remove something from default-settings
[22:58] <scott-upstairs> micahg, default settings but version 94
[22:58] <scott-upstairs> i had realized that both the default-settings and lightdm packages were both doing the same thing in the pre/post inst/rm files
[22:59] <scott-upstairs> which was setting up the lightdm theme, so i moved it to lightdm where i think it should be then
[23:34] <knome> astraljava, ff
[23:40] <knome> nighty
[23:51] <len-nb> ScottL scott-upstairs (and anyone else who cares to look) http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html  has what I have done so far in redoing menus.
[23:51] <len-nb> Comments?