[00:06] <SkippersBoss> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/jockey2.php
[00:24] <nikolam> I updated xubuntu lts to 12.04 and now it won't boot. First he "checks" network for a minute, then halts launchning GUI. (I can log into console).
[02:01] <gaf> I just finished my update from 12.04 to 12.10, but my graybird theme has blue titlebars. If screenshots are anything to go by, shouldn't they be gray?
[02:35] <sdollins> Anyone having problems modifying the app menu in 12.10?
[02:36] <sdollins> It refuses to delete separators for me. :(
[02:59] <Unit193> sdollins: Just tried, same.
[03:00] <Unit193> /home/$USER/.config/menus/  edit applications.menu in there, sdollins.
[03:00] <sdollins> I have tried that.
[03:00] <sdollins> it seems to just overwrite my changes
[03:18] <Unit193> Thanks, now this'll bug me..
[03:18] <Unit193> :P
[03:20] <Unit193> Ah, there we go.
[03:21] <Unit193> sdollins: cp /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/ and edit that. (or was it editing the other that did it?)
[03:21] <Guest64790> new xubuntu user here. setting up desktop :)
[03:22] <Unit193> Guest64790: Howdy!  And what do you think so far?
[03:22] <Guest64790> I like it! got 12.10 and looks sweet.
[03:23] <Guest64790> installing apps and tomorrow I will learn how to do stuff hehe
[03:23] <Guest64790> I left gnome3 unity cinnamon for a while to try this
[03:23] <Ruscour> can someone help me out? I'm trying to get thunderbird to load on boot and start on the second workspace
[03:25] <Ruscour> this is how I have it working right now, it's pretty clunky http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288395/
[03:28] <pwnedulongtime> 12.10 boots in under 6 seconds! (for me)
[03:29] <Ruscour> SSD?
[03:31] <Guest64790> thats great speed, prolly ssd
[03:32] <Guest64790> has anyone installed mdm on 12.10? I like mdm better than lightdm.
[03:43] <pwnedulongtime> crucial 256 SSD
[04:36] <Shirakawasuna> the new release is announced, but I don't see any 'new release available' option (nor does do-release-upgrade work). Has anyone else had success and if so, how? 12.04 has an annoying bug I want to be rid of :)
[04:38] <Unit193> 12.10 is an LTS, it is looking to upgrade you to another LTS.  Either change what type of upgrades you get, or do-release-upgrade -d.
[05:00] <Marzatha> 12.10 must not be a LTS rel.
[05:03] <xrs1> i thought 12.04 was the LTS?
[05:04] <Unit193> Correct, to a point.
[05:19] <pwnedulongtime> anyone seeing video tearing?
[05:50] <Waraudon> Quick question, where is the mount point for removable media in 12.10?
[05:52] <Waraudon> Apparently Xubuntu 12.10 doesn't actually mount CDs by default, I see
[07:42] <Industrial> How do I set my default keyboard layout outside of xfce? By default I'm getting the layout where I have to put a space after a " to actually get it, or else it becomes e.g. ëöü ...
[07:43] <Industrial> In xfce I could change the layout, but I want it system wide, not just in xfce.
[09:00] <SpaceAviator> anyone do a fresh install of xubuntu?
[09:00] <SpaceAviator> 120.10
[09:00] <SpaceAviator> 12.10*
[09:00] <Unit193> What's the question?
[09:02] <SpaceAviator> Two. 1. Is there no xubuntu grub theme this time around? Grub menu just says ubuntu and not xubuntu. 2. I see no bootsplash after install. My monitor literally goes into standby for a few seconds and then the login screen shows up. I dont think thats how its supposed to be
[09:02] <SpaceAviator> Unit193: ?
[09:04] <Unit193> Didn't actually say Xubuntu either, you can get more info by editing the grub config.  No splash, could be booting too quick, but make sure you have a plymouth theme installed, could try to dpkg-reconfigure plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo
[09:05] <SpaceAviator> Unit193: I dont think its booting too quick. THis is the first time my monitor actually goes into stand by mode and then fires up again to the login screen
[09:05] <SpaceAviator> Unit193: I am assuming its the black CLI grub screen for you too?
[09:06] <Unit193> Black screen sure, I already reconfigured mine though. :P
[09:06] <SpaceAviator> gotcha
[09:09] <SpaceAviator> xubuntu431: ping
[09:10] <xubuntu431> Hi, I am having an issue.  I have downloaded Xubuntu 12.04 ISO, and used the Ubuntu Bootable USB program via windows to make a bootable thumbdrive.  It gets to the 'install xubuntu/try xubuntu' screen, then stop doing anything.  Is there a better program to use to make my thumbdrive a bootable device so I can install on other machines?
[09:50] <bigcalm> Hi :) I popped in last night, but I guess it was a bit late. Laptop with an ATI graphics card was working just fine in 12.04. Upgraded to 12.10 and it's no longer using the proprietary driver. I've checked for and installed missing packages such as restricted extras, but 'jockey' doesn't see any drivers for me to use. Any hints would be welcome :)
[09:53] <soreau> bigcalm: Is there something wrong with the open radeon driver that you need to use the proprietary ati driver?
[09:55] <bigcalm> soreau: well which ever driver it is using doesn't offer the correct screen modes. Currently I have an option of 800x600 and 1024x768. I don't recall the specific res of my laptop, but it is a touch bigger and a different ratio :)
[09:56] <soreau> bigcalm: Can you pastebin.com your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[09:56] <bigcalm> Sure. I'm on my workstation at the moment so will do so in a couple of mins
[09:59] <bigcalm> soreau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1288910/
[10:02] <bigcalm> I have to say that things are a lot harder to find since the menus were changed :S
[10:02] <soreau> bigcalm: It looks like you still have an fglrx_drm kernel module installed that's conflicting and missing xserver-xorg-video-ati package, so it's falling back to the vesa driver
[10:03] <bigcalm> The laptop is one place that I haven't fiddled with xorg or any kernel modules. So it's interesting that it's like that
[10:04] <soreau> if you used the installer from the amd site, look for an uninstall script in /usr/share/ati/ to run. Either way, make sure /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/extra-modules.dpkg-tmp/modules/linux/libfglrxdrm.so and /etc/X11/xorg.conf do not exist
[10:05] <bigcalm> I would have installed the driver by using the Additional Drivers (jockey) interface
[10:05] <soreau> and of course remove any fglrx packages that might be installed
[10:05] <bigcalm> Ok, thanks. I'll have a look
[10:11] <xubuntu761> hi
[10:12] <xubuntu761> can i install xubuntu with wubi ?
[10:14] <xubuntu761> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:14] <Mathias> yes afaik, but not reccomended
[10:14] <xubuntu761> why not ?
[10:16] <Unit193> Wubi just isn't the best, maybe ok to try it on, but livecd/usb is better for that too.
[10:18] <xubuntu761> hmm
[10:29] <bigcalm> soreau: uninstalling the ati binary driver and rebooting fixed things. From my googling, the binary doesn't support 12.10 yet, or something like that
[10:30] <bigcalm> Now I need to find out why the CPU fan is running constantly
[10:30] <chippy> Just installed Xubuntu 12.10 and realised synaptic was missing! what the...
[10:30] <chippy> Anybody know why they chose to remove synaptic?
[10:36] <bigcalm> I believe it's been on the cards for a long time
[10:36] <bigcalm> Oh, they left
[10:37] <Mathias> impatient
[11:06] <soreau> bigcalm: cool
[12:08] <olbi> hello
[12:09] <olbi> some1 know, why ubuntu one on Xubuntu 11.10 doesn't want to download content from cloud to local disk? it types that all is sync but I don't see it locally
[12:15] <Sysi> what cloud?
[12:25] <XRS1> the pirate cloud
[12:29] <Mathias>  apparently a real cloud
[13:11] <jberk> hello all....I was here yesterday asking about xscreensaver crashing....anybody remember that?
[13:11] <baizon> no, sorry
[13:11] <jberk> huggy bear was here
[13:12] <jberk> anyway, screensaver in xubuntu 12.04 keeps crashing
[13:12] <jberk> and when it does, it unlocks my screen
[13:13] <baizon> jberk: whats the error msg?
[13:13] <jberk> there is none....
[13:13] <jberk> I just come back to work and my PC is unlocked
[13:13] <baizon> there is always one :)
[13:13] <baizon> try by opening the terminal and launch in there
[13:13] <jberk> so yesterday I tweaked ~/.xscreensaver and .Xdefaults
[13:14] <baizon> then you will get some debugging info
[13:14] <jberk> I put this in .Xdefaults
[13:14] <jberk> xscreensaver.verbose: True
[13:14] <jberk> xscreensaver.log: ~/.xscreensaver.log
[13:15] <jberk> and those log files have data now....
[13:16] <jberk> I need to know where to send that data....can't find anything here: http://xubuntu.org/help/
[13:16] <Pici> jberk: throw it in a pastebin and let us take a look at it
[13:16] <jberk> pastebin?
[13:16] <Pici> !paste
[13:19] <jberk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289274/
[13:22] <baizon> jberk: report it on launchpad
[13:25] <jberk> !launchpad
[13:31] <jberk> where on launchpad....the bug section?
[13:33] <jberk> anybody?
[13:40] <baizon> jberk: yes
[13:49] <Cyberworm> hi
[13:49] <Cyberworm> I have issues with using the menu editor
[13:50] <Cyberworm> I can't add any entries
[13:51] <Cyberworm> also application icons aren't scaled down anymore
[14:00] <baizon> Cyberworm: try LXMenuEditor
[14:01] <Cyberworm> I tried it but it's kinda confusing
[14:03] <Cyberworm> I wonder how that issue could have been missed
[14:37] <babaei> so, nm-applet hasn't been working properly since I upgraded to 12.10.
[14:38] <babaei> while it does connect to wireless (as I am now), it now doesn't show reception.
[14:38] <babaei> and when I open the pull-down menu, it doesn't show the network above "Disconnect"
[14:39] <babaei> the network shows up there while it's connecting, but as soon as it connects, it disappears and is only in the list of networks below
[14:40] <holstein> babaei: i might try troubleshooting with another network card if possible to make sure its not just a driver support issue
[14:41] <babaei> holstein: I don't think it's a driver issue because it makes a network connection no problem and it otherwise works
[14:41] <babaei> it's just not displaying properly in nm-applet
[14:43] <babaei> here's what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/Qc7Jh.png
[14:43] <babaei> i've tried restarting xubuntu and restarting nm-applet, and it doesn't seem to help.
[14:44] <babaei> (I've had some issues with nm-applet being flaky in the past, but nothing quite like this)
[14:44] <SpaceAviator> what is the plymouth package in xubuntu called?
[14:45] <baizon> SpaceAviator: plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text
[14:45] <SpaceAviator> thanks baizon
[14:46] <non-pae-cpu> Hi
[14:46] <non-pae-cpu> I have a problem
[14:46] <SpaceAviator> I wonder if you can help me. I booted off liveusb and the splash scren was working great but after install it just shows a black screen and then my monitor goes into standby for two seconds and then shows the login screen.
[14:46] <holstein> babaei: interesting... i dont have it in front of me to check.. have you found a bug report already?
[14:47] <SpaceAviator> after I installed the propriety drivers the monitor stopped going into standby during boot and flashes the splash for less than a sec after a black scren during boot. baizon
[14:47] <babaei> holstein: do you know what package I'd file it for?
[14:47] <non-pae-cpu> I own a very old toshiba laptop and I wanted to install Xubuntu 12.10 on it... when I try to install, I get a error message saying "unable to boot please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu"
[14:47] <holstein> babaei: i think you are on the right track with the applet but im not sure...
[14:47] <baizon> SpaceAviator: i got the same :)
[14:47] <non-pae-cpu> is there a workaround to this.. ? please help me thank you
[14:48] <holstein> non-pae-cpu: maybe you have the 64bit iso
[14:48] <baizon> the thing is, the drivers have to load first to show the logo
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> baizon, monitor goes into standby?
[14:48] <non-pae-cpu> i386 desktop
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> ah
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> I see
[14:48] <baizon> and by then your system booted already
[14:48] <baizon> thats why you wont see the logo
[14:48] <SpaceAviator> I just cant figure out why the hell did my monitor go into standby without the drivers. that jsut means there was no singal to the monitor for that few seconds
[14:48] <baizon> or see for a short period
[14:48] <non-pae-cpu> xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[14:48] <baizon> SpaceAviator: thats because the driver is loading
[14:48] <non-pae-cpu> this is the name of the file..
[14:49] <non-pae-cpu> holstein: this is the name of the file ->> xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386
[14:49] <holstein> non-pae-cpu: what machine? maybe its not a "normal" cpu? what is is?
[14:49] <non-pae-cpu> how to check the cpu type
[14:49] <babaei> holstein: nm-applet isn't a seperate package, though.
[14:49] <non-pae-cpu> what should I grep from /proc/cpuinfo
[14:49] <SpaceAviator> baizon, so no singal to the monitor at all? But the black screen before it makes it seem like there it is. To load the driver - it wont shut off the card...
[14:49] <babaei> I'm trying to re-install that package, but I don't know what it's part of.
[14:50] <SpaceAviator> i just reconfigured it
[14:50] <SpaceAviator> brb
[14:50] <SpaceAviator> reboot
[14:50] <non-pae-cpu> Pentium M
[14:50] <baizon> SpaceAviator: because the standard vesa is loaded, then plymouth inits your drivers
[14:50] <baizon> and the moment is when your screen wents black
[14:50] <non-pae-cpu> I am still running 12.04 on the same machine..
[14:51] <non-pae-cpu> and it is running flawlessly
[14:52] <SpaceAviator> baizon, did you something right before I left?
[14:52] <SpaceAviator> also no standby now. it flashes for a second. I guess it makes sense.
[14:52] <baizon> SpaceAviator: if you add nomodeset to your boot option it wont load plymouth
[14:52] <SpaceAviator> I just have one other problem. I see two copies of my paritions on desktop.
[14:52] <baizon> then your driver wont load
[14:52] <Kagee> non-pae-cpu: Is this the error you are getting? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1975422
[14:52] <baizon> SpaceAviator: its a known bug
[14:52] <SpaceAviator> got it
[14:53] <SpaceAviator> phew
[14:53] <SpaceAviator> i can now settle
[14:53] <baizon> SpaceAviator: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4/+bug/1044896
[14:54] <SpaceAviator> baizon, would you own an ATi card by any chance?
[14:54] <baizon> yes i own one
[14:54] <non-pae-cpu> Kagee No, this is the error "unable to boot please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu"
[14:55] <non-pae-cpu> when i googled it .. it said you need a pae-enabled cpu.. 12.04 is currently running on the same CPU
[14:56] <Kagee> non-pae-cpu: grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[14:57] <non-pae-cpu> nothing
[14:57] <non-pae-cpu> :(
[14:58] <Kagee> non-pae-cpu: Then your CPU does not support PAE. The i386 iso for Xubuntu 12.04 supported PAE, according to this http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ it is not true for 12.10
[14:59] <non-pae-cpu> 12.04 does and does-not support PAE but 12.10 only supports PAE?
[14:59] <non-pae-cpu> am I getting this right?
[14:59] <non-pae-cpu> can I compile a kernel without the damn PAE?
[15:00] <non-pae-cpu> and use that to install it on my machine!!?
[15:00] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html may be relevant
[15:00] <holstein> i would probably just use 12.04
[15:01] <non-pae-cpu> hlestein i was thinking the same but I wanted to try it out..
[15:01] <babaei> holstein: hmm. I uninstalled/reinstalled network-manager/network-manager-applet and it seems to be fixed.
[15:02] <holstein> babaei: interesting.. did you fresh install or upgrade?
[15:02] <non-pae-cpu> anyway thank you guys.
[15:02] <babaei> holstein: upgrade, naturally.
[15:02] <non-pae-cpu> one last thing.. you cannot upgrade from a desktop-live cd right
[15:02] <non-pae-cpu> one need to own a alternative cd for that!!
[15:02] <non-pae-cpu> ?
[15:02] <holstein> non-pae-cpu: there are no non-pae kernels in the repos now
[15:03] <cgtdk> Is there an easy way to get rid of all this blue junk that was added in 12.10?
[15:03] <non-pae-cpu> can I compile a kernel on my own?
[15:03] <non-pae-cpu> like a generic kernel..
[15:03] <baizon> non-pae-cpu: yes you can
[15:03] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/182048/will-it-be-possible-to-use-a-non-pae-kernel-in-12-10 suggests that
[15:04] <non-pae-cpu> ok let me see how can this be done..
[15:04] <non-pae-cpu> thank you all..
[15:04] <non-pae-cpu> bye..
[15:07] <ZDroid> are the xubuntu canonical work?
[15:08] <cgtdk> ZDroid: Xubuntu is an official derivative of Ubuntu.
[15:08] <ZDroid> ok
[15:10] <ZDroid> thanks
[15:10] <cgtdk> :)
[15:14] <Sysi> !flavor
[15:15] <Sysi> xubuntu is set of applications on canonical-supported ubuntu base
[15:18] <mneptok> AFAIK, Xubuntu is an official derivative, but not commercially supported by Canonical. that may have changed. *shrug*
[15:19] <ZDroid> ok
[15:19] <ZDroid> thanks all
[15:20] <ZDroid> bye
[15:22] <cgtdk> This blue stuff is really driving me crazy :S
[15:38] <cgtdk> Does anyone know where I can get the Greybird theme from version 12.04?
[15:40] <Sysi> https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa/+files/greybird-themes_0.3%2Bgit20120122.orig.tar.gz
[15:40] <Sysi> that should be the old greybird
[15:40] <cgtdk> Thank you
[15:41] <Sysi> I just installed 10.04 and greybird+murrine from that ppa and then got the new one from git :p
[15:42] <cgtdk> The new one is ghastly
[15:42] <Sysi> if that one doesn't have gtk3, look for 12.04 packages in packages.ubuntu.com
[15:42] <Sysi> I don't like the old shade of grey, especially in menu
[15:43] <cgtdk> Each to their own :)
[15:43] <Sysi> put a copy of old one somewhere safe
[15:44] <martian> Heyo! 12.10 is out, but do-release-upgrade doesn't seem to think so! Que pasa?
[15:44] <Sysi> you need -d switch bevause 12.10 is LTS
[15:45] <martian> Sysi: Ahh, thanks!
[15:46] <Sysi> you're welcome
[16:06] <xubuntu800> Where can I get the terminal color palette from 12.04?
[16:26] <Cyberworm> god my menu looks so weird with that one icon being stretched across the whole menu
[17:27] <fyamanaka> Hello guys, I have a doubt regarding the video card Intel GMA965 on my Dell Inspirion running Xubuntu 12.10, after connection via HDMI to a 32' LCD tv, the processor goes to 90% of usage without playing any video, by just connecting them together.. does any one knows if its normal behavior or should I try to verifiy the installed drivers ??
[17:28] <GridCube> did this happened before?
[17:31] <fyamanaka> GridCube> no...it happens on the first run of xubuntu because i was using windows on this machine  ..
[17:32] <fyamanaka> On Windows the processor just went high when running videos, particulary HD ones ...
[17:42] <xubuntu523> fssf
[17:42] <xubuntu523> hello?
[17:42] <GridCube> !hi
[17:43] <GridCube> fyamanaka, sorry i dont know :(
[17:43] <xubuntu523> can someone help me out.. having some internet problems
[17:43] <GridCube> !ask
[17:45] <fyamanaka> !patience
[17:46] <GridCube> :)
[17:46] <xubuntu523> ok, i have internet connection but firefox still "can't find the server" what can i do?
[17:46] <GridCube> xubuntu523, check that you are not using any proxy
[17:46] <fyamanaka> GridCube> Can you recommend me something ? Maybe try to update the intel driver ? I'm kind of afraid to do this ....
[17:46] <xubuntu523> how do i check that?
[17:47] <Unit193> I'd check that DNS is working by opening a terminal and typing  dig google.com
[17:47] <GridCube> fyamanaka, intel uses the generic drivers
[17:47] <GridCube> i dont know of specific drivers for it
[17:48] <GridCube> xubuntu523, http://imagebin.org/232508
[17:48] <GridCube> xubuntu523, also do what Unit193 is saying you to
[17:48] <xubuntu523> i typed dig google.com what should i be looking for to know that's working
[17:49] <Unit193> http://pastebin.com/huspnbaq
[17:50] <fyamanaka> GridCube> this are the intel generic drivers http://intellinuxgraphics.org/index.html ?!?!
[17:50] <xubuntu523> the status says refused and i didn't get an answer section
[17:51] <GridCube> fyamanaka, very probably, i never had to use them because the ones i need are already on the generic kernel
[17:51] <GridCube> fyamanaka, pass the output of lspci | grep "VGA"
[17:52] <Unit193> xubuntu523: Now try dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com
[17:53] <fyamanaka> Sorry man but Im now at the work and dont have access to my machine ...i will check this output and logging back here to find some answers ... thanks a lot !!!
[17:54] <GridCube> :)
[17:57] <xubuntu523> im using a wireless adapter and i lose connection whenever i type dig @8
[17:59] <xubuntu523> .8.8.8 google.com
[18:07] <xubuntu523> Whenever i connect to my linksys it  disconnects after a couple of seconds anything i can do to fix it?
[18:07] <pwnedulongtime> anyone else notice multiple screenlets not auto-starting on login?
[18:11] <Rodensky> hello everybody. i'm using xubuntu lucid, i accidently blacklisted my broadcom b43 wireless driver, how do i undo it?
[18:12] <baizon> Rodensky: remove it from /etc/modprobe.conf
[18:13] <Rodensky> how do i do that?
[18:14] <baizon> Rodensky: http://www.ehow.com/how_7517426_edit-ubuntus-blacklist.html
[18:17] <Rodensky> done, rebooting
[18:21] <xubuntu723> Does anyone know how to uninstall xubunutu and go back to the windows operating system?
[18:21] <baizon> xubuntu723: format your drive and install windows
[18:22] <baizon> if you got both you have to repair the MBR with windows
[18:22] <baizon> after that remove linux
[18:22] <Pici> and then delete the Ubuntu partition
[18:25] <Rodensky> in order to install back my b43 wireless driver i followed the stop "sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer" and i got "E: Couldn't find package firmware-b43-installer"
[18:26] <Rodensky> what do i do? how do i install it back?
[18:28] <Rodensky> oh, no, wait, i need to install the STA one but i don't know how. till now i had the b43 driver but i had a lot of problems conneting to some routers
[18:31] <sdollins> I hate broadcom wireless.
[18:34] <genii-around> Everyone does.
[19:02] <puff> I have a 20GB / partition, currently running ubuntu 11.4 with some package (xubuntu-desktop maybe?) installed on top of it to switch over to xubuntu.  If I upgrade to 12.4 or 12.10, will 20GB still suffice for /, or should I resize before upgrading?
[19:02] <puff> Second question:  when doing a dd to backup my / as a disk image, should I unmount / first?
[19:03] <livingdaylight> !flash
[19:05] <livingdaylight> doensn't ctrl.+alt+t launch a terminal?
[19:07] <Sysi> puff: it might be better so, but then you'd need to run backup from livecd
[19:07] <Sysi> puff: 20GB is plenty for root, you can install many big apps
[19:09] <Jacruth> Ey guys, I can't hear any sound from my ubuntu, how to diagnose it?
[19:09] <Jacruth> alsamixer shows that the card is available and is it on
[19:12] <livingdaylight> I'm wondering why ctrl+alt+t isn't launching terminal. Any ideas?
[19:13] <Sysi> do you have it set as hotkey in settings -> keyboard
[19:14] <baizon> for me its super + t
[19:14] <livingdaylight> I thought it was a standard keybind
[19:14] <livingdaylight> I have to set it?
[19:14] <Sysi> if it's not there by default, yes
[19:14] <livingdaylight> I seem to remember it worked in the usb-live but not on the actual install? weird
[19:15] <baizon> the default is super +t for terminal
[19:15] <livingdaylight> baizon, thx
[19:15] <baizon> super +f for thunar and super +w for web browser
[19:16] <livingdaylight> ok, 1. java - check, 2. flash - check... ah, yes, wine next
[19:17] <josy1982> hello can anybody help me?
[19:17] <Unit193> !ask | josy1982
[19:17] <baizon> !ask | josy1982
[19:17] <baizon> damn, sorry to late
[19:18] <josy1982> i installed today 12.10 but i don't have sound what can i do?
[19:21] <baizon> josy1982: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:21] <baizon> josy1982: http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/
[19:33] <livingdaylight> ok, wine - check... what's next on the post-install hitlist? recommendations?
[19:33] <livingdaylight> synapse
[19:34] <livingdaylight>   does xubuntu come with pulseaudio?
[19:34] <baizon> 12.10 yes
[19:34] <livingdaylight> ok, cool
[19:35] <livingdaylight> ah, yes, powertop :)
[19:38] <puff> Argh: dd: writing to `/media/disk500/backups/redbitter/oct_16_2012/root_partition.dd': Input/output error
[19:39] <puff> Hm... then again, that was with the / partition mounted, let's try it again under a bootable thumb drive.
[19:40] <pwnedulongtime> anyone else experiencing major screen tearing?
[19:47] <doan> Hi guys! I got a problem to setup my dual monitor. I can't make my right screen be the primary. I'm using the nvidia driver and I tried with nvidia-settings but I can't make it happen. I also tried with xrandr. It's driving me nuts!
[19:48] <Sysi> you want your panel on different screen? unlock and drag
[19:49] <doan> here's my xrandr ouputs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1290211/
[19:50] <livingdaylight> something has crashed here on a fresh install
[19:50] <livingdaylight> /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager
[19:50] <livingdaylight> crashed with SIGSEVG in vprint
[19:51] <Sysi> !bug
[19:51] <Sysi> crashing bugs should be easy to fix
[19:51] <livingdaylight> what about fixing it?
[19:51] <livingdaylight> is this going to happen all the time?
[19:52] <doan> Sysi, when I set my right screen as a primary. My left screen become the right screen in my xubuntu. When I move the screen to the left. It move also the primary on my left screen
[19:53] <nicklasbo> doan: I have previously had problems with nvidia inverting the primary selection. Try to set your left monitor as primary, then the right becomes primary in my setup.
[19:53] <nicklasbo> in nvidia-settings
[19:53] <livingdaylight> should I be concerned?
[19:54] <doan> nicklasbo, nothing changes. Same with xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --primary
[19:54] <doan> Either one or the other. Nothing changes
[19:55] <nicklasbo> doan: too bad. I use the tool disper to set monitors, it's pretty neat. You could give it a try?
[19:56] <doan> nicklasbo, i don't know this tool. I'll give a try, thanks
[19:57] <doan> nicklasbo, can I use it with the nvidia driver ?
[19:57] <nicklasbo> yes, it basically just a tool for easily setting which monitor(s) to output on.
[19:58] <doan> okay sounds good
[19:58] <nicklasbo> do a sudo apt-get install disper and then depended on what your outputs are called something disper -d DFP-1,CRT-0 -e . The first listed display will be primary.
[19:59] <puff> Question:  if / is mounted under /dev/sda8 normally, will it be /dev/sda8 when I boot under a live CD?
[19:59] <puff> That is, when I boot under a live CD and leave the / from my hard drive unmounted, so I can dd it, will it still be /dev/sda8?
[20:09] <qoheleth> using Xubuntu 12.10. Can't add items to main menu using alacarte in a specific category. Always is created in the Other menu
[20:09] <qoheleth> also, once I hit show, it always stays shown until I hit restore system configuration.
[20:10] <Wintre> Hi
[20:10] <baizon> qoheleth: alacarte is broken :)
[20:10] <baizon> try LXMenuEditor
[20:10] <Wintre> Is there an Expose-alike for xfce?
[20:10] <Wintre> Or do I need to install compiz?
[20:10] <qoheleth> thanks
[20:10] <baizon> Wintre: there are alternatives
[20:11] <baizon> knome told one, i forgot its name :(
[20:11] <qoheleth> lol when are they fixing alacarte. Seems like it has been broken forever.
[20:11] <Wintre> Can I read about 'em somewhere?
[20:11] <baizon> Wintre: wait for him to answer :)
[20:11] <lopta> How do I go about adding a network printer (PostScript, running lpd) to a Xubuntu box?
[20:11] <baizon> qoheleth: yes its broken with xfce 4.10
[20:11] <baizon> lopta: check if it is supported
[20:13] <lopta> baizon: Isn't there a generic method?
[20:14] <Wintre> lopta: That... should be the simplest possible thing
[20:14] <Wintre> Since it's like the oldest Unix way of printing
[20:14] <lopta> Wintre: ...that's what I was hoping
[20:15] <Wintre> lopta: There seems to be "LPD/LPR Host or printer" in the add printer dialog
[20:15] <lopta> Okay, I'll see if I can find that. Doesn't seem to be in the settings manager.
[20:15] <Wintre> ?
[20:15] <Wintre> Is there a "printers" item in the settings manager?
[20:16] <lopta> Ah, System -> Printing
[20:16] <Wintre> Oh, I have a hardware -> printers
[20:16] <lopta> Woah!
[20:16] <Wintre> So, yeah, I've gotten to like Expose on the Mac
[20:16] <Wintre> Is there an equivalent for Xfce?
[20:17] <Sysi> you can get it with compiz
[20:17] <Wintre> Does the default wm not support it?
[20:17] <Sysi> nope
[20:18] <Wintre> k
[20:18] <Wintre> Is there a Right Way to change the window managers?
[20:19] <Sysi> install compix, it's settings manager and compiz-gnome, set it to draw window borders with gtk-window-decorator, run compiz --replace, save session on logout
[20:20] <Wintre> k, I'll give that a shot
[20:20] <Wintre> Does that include the settings manager?
[20:20] <Wintre> seems not
[20:20] <Sysi> it's called something like compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:21] <Wintre> yeah
[20:21] <Wintre> God, I hope I don't wind up with the same crap I had with gnome on ubuntu 12
[20:25] <Noxity> Hey, is it possible for me to go from Ubuntu 12.04 to Xubuntu 12.10 without losing anything? I'm using Xubuntu now (I used the apt-get xubuntu-desktop to get it, so not a full install)
[20:25] <lopta> Wow, I didn't expect that: Xubuntu found the printers on our network without having to be told about them.
[20:25] <lopta> I'm trying a test print now.
[20:26] <Sysi> Noxity: it's same as full install
[20:26] <martian> Noxity: as far as I know, you need to simply install the xubuntu-desktop package, log out, and select an xubuntu session
[20:26] <Sysi> kind of more, if you still have all unity-stuff installed
[20:26] <Noxity> Is it? Yay! So upgrading to 12.10 will be easy then
[20:27] <Noxity> I started on Ubuntu then started to hate Unity, so decided to switch
[20:27] <Sysi> make sure you don't have two -desktop packages before upgrading, it causes problems
[20:27] <Wintre> Sysi: So install xubuntu-desktop, and remove unity-desktop?
[20:27] <Wintre> Or whatever ubuntu calls it
[20:27] <Sysi> !purexfce
[20:27] <Noxity> How will I go about deleting Unity? Without destroying important stuff
[20:28] <Wintre> Sysi: Nice, thanks
[20:28]  * Wintre passes on to similarly-irritated coworker
[20:29] <Noxity> That removes all of the default programs installed, is there any way to just remove Unity?
[20:29] <Sysi> remove just unity packages
[20:30] <puff> Man, lsblk is handy.
[20:31] <lopta> Okay, so much for that theory.
[20:31] <martian> So after upgrading my install, my virtual machines in vbox no longer are able to resolve dns names. Any thoughts on what that may be?
[20:33] <martian> Oh duh, one google search and I got my answer. I'll go back to hiding now.
[20:34] <Noxity> Thanks guys
[20:34] <Noxity> I've never seen people with intelligence on an IRC that isn't Linux related
[20:34] <djzn> I installed kubuntu-desktop to test it, and it messed up xubuntu theme.... everything.. how do I get it back
[20:44] <lopta> Is there an easy way to add the core PostScript fonts (e.g. Helvetica, Times and Courier) to Xubuntu?
[20:46] <TheSheep> lopta: sure, just make a .fonts directory in your ~, then copy any fonts you want there and run fc-cache from terminal
[20:46] <lopta> Thanks
[20:49] <Wintre> Sysi: Got it working, thanks.
[20:51] <xubuntu605> Is the opensource ATI video driver used by default in Xubuntu 12.10?
[20:52] <lopta> TheSheep: Does that take PostScript Type 1 fonts?
[20:54] <TheSheep> lopta: no idea, I'm sure that it takes ttf and otf
[20:55] <TheSheep> So, I upgraded to quantal, and gvim now doesn't work -- it displays everything in black, anybody had this?
[21:03] <Wintre> Does Xubuntu not include the proprietary drivers manager thingy?
[21:04] <Wintre> The jockey-gtk package is mostly empty
[21:06] <Sysi> IIRC it's deprecated and replaced with software-properties
[21:07] <Wintre> hm
[21:07] <Wintre> Ok, so what's The Right Way to install the proprietary drivers?
[21:08] <Wintre> Oh, I guess software-properties-gtk
[21:08] <Wintre> There we go
[21:09] <Wintre> Thanks agian
[21:09] <Wintre> Now I just have to figure out why, with compiz, switching workspace with the panel applet causes the panel to disappear
[21:22] <Wintre> whaaarrgarbl
[21:25] <Wintre> Has anybody else seen a problem like that?
[21:48] <puff> Heya... so I finally finished up pending tasks, shut everythign down, and have everything sufficiently backed up for my peace of mind, time to do the safe-upgrade.
[21:49] <puff> I tried just "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" and got:   Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver.
[21:49] <puff> So, trying "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade --full-revolver", now it wants to upgrade a zillion  package... any last words?
[21:50] <GridCube> dunno, neve used aptitude to update
[22:22] <puff> Hm, "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade --full-resolver" seems to have completed without any error messages.  What now?  Should I reboot?
[22:23] <puff> This ubuntu 11.4 with xubuntu-desktop installed, btw.
[22:24] <GridCube> puff, i like to always run sudo update-grub before rebooting aftern an upgrade
[22:26] <WilliamWallace> Hi all. Why I cannot watch flash videos?
[22:26] <GridCube> you need to install the xubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:09] <bntly> Aww yeah.
[23:09] <bntly> Free friday afternoon work beer.
[23:12] <TheSheep> we have #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:14] <bntly> err
[23:14] <bntly> wrong channel :|
[23:14] <bntly> sorry!
[23:42] <MrBushido> are there any changes from xubuntu 12.10 beta 2 to release that wouldnt be updated through apt?


[08:41] <cking> good monring. While installing ARM64 server from today's Lunar development ISO image I saw the following warning "chown: warning: '.' should be ':': 'ubuntu-server.ubuntu-server'" occur 3 times.
[23:22] <guiverc> thank you diddledani; a post you made months ago just 'saved' another (me)


[12:47] <Mez> Riddell: welcome back and ping
[12:48] <Riddell> Mez: thanks and pong
[12:48] <Mez> Riddell: got the latest package of katapult to go up :D
[12:49] <Riddell> Mez: ah yes, I'll take a look in a couple of minutes
[12:49] <Mez> with a few fixes and stuff (it's going through into debian soon - I'm working with one of the kde team to get that sorted
[12:49] <Mez> he's noticed quite a few things that arent in the revu package
[12:50] <Mez> Hobbsee, did you get my answer about katapult earlier?
[12:55] <Mez> Riddell: putting new version up to REVU
[01:02] <allee> hi Mez
[01:03] <allee> Just saw your mez-guest in pkg-kde on alioth. But I don't remember a commit from you.  what happened? ;)
[01:03] <Mez> erm - I didnt know i'd been given access
[01:03] <Mez> there was a reason for it :D lol
[01:03] <allee> heh :)
[01:03] <Mez> It was something to do with helping with some package or another that I'd provided patches for
[01:04] <Mez> but they requested it but I never got told i had access
[01:06] <allee> [Pkg-kde-commits]  rev 1645 - scripts/svn-hooks Date: 2005-09-01 22:43:10 +0000 (Thu, 01 Sep 2005)
[01:06] <allee> Add mez-guest as a kde-extras committer.
[01:06] <Mez> yeah
[01:06] <Mez> there was something in there lol
[01:07] <allee> Mez: so consider yourself as officially informed ;)
[01:07] <Mez> allee: now I gotta remmeber what it was for :D
[01:10] <allee> Mez: ahh libkexif: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2005-August/000318.html
[01:10] <Mez> I just remember it being that we'd made changes in ubuntu so they wanted to give us access :D
[01:10] <Mez> ah yes :D
[01:10] <Mez> lol
[01:11] <Mez> I'd made a few changes to fix lil things lol - mainly rebuilds to get the damn thing to be nice
[01:11] <Mez> lol
[01:11] <Riddell> Mez: is katapult ready for me to look at?
[01:12] <Mez> Riddell: er yeah - though I cant get it up to revu atm - lemme upload it to my server
[01:14] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/katapult/
[01:14] <Mez> Riddell: there it is ^^
[01:16] <Mez> Riddell: uploading to revu now aswell :d
[01:17] <Riddell> Mez: what's the reason for a snapshot just now?
[01:18] <Mez> Riddell: because theres been a few bugfixes - it has the new icon - and It's more stable ...
[01:18] <Riddell> groovy
[01:18] <Mez> plus - the simple fact it distributes something in the current package that it not under GPL :D
[01:18] <Mez> :-"
[01:19] <Mez> which NONE of us noticed
[01:19] <Riddell> Mez: oh?  what's that?
[01:20] <Mez> the doc/ folder
[01:20] <Mez> lol
[01:20] <Mez> it was an example thing
[01:20] <Mez> but theres some issue with it according to debian
[01:20] <Mez> so i removed it :D
[01:20] <Mez> :P
[01:20] <Mez> Riddell: basically this is the last snapshot before we actually release 0.3 I believe
[01:20] <Mez> of course - I'm gonna wait for Bastian to be back
[01:21] <Mez> but - it's pretty much done :D
[01:21] <crimsun> oh, the G FDL issue?
[01:21] <Mez> crimsun, yeah :D
[01:21] <Mez> :-"
[01:21] <Mez> I dont know how none of us noticed that
[01:21] <Mez> plus we're using JRe's doc stuff anyways - the doc/ folder isnt used :D
[01:22] <Riddell> Mez: FDL is fine for Kubuntu, although it's not clear what copyright licence that template is under, seems to be free for all
[01:22] <Mez> Riddell, IT doesnt matter anyways - it's gone now :D
[01:24] <Riddell> yep
[01:25] <Mez> any problems with the package (I've been caught out on sooo many lil things lol!)
[01:25] <Mez> btw - why did you add the B-D on automake1.9 ?
[01:25] <Riddell> dunno, it needed it
[01:26] <Mez> doesnt anymore :P
[01:26] <Mez> nor autotools-dev
[01:27] <crimsun> even on amd64?
[01:27] <crimsun> in the past that's where most of them have ftbfs
[01:27] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/katapult/0.3-0ubuntu1/  yeah, failed on 64 bit without it
[01:31] <Riddell> Mez: we still need kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff
[01:32] <Mez> why - isnt it in the source now ?
[01:33] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be, and it probably shouldn't be since admin/ is just taken from KDE
[01:33] <Mez> I thought it was o_o
[01:34] <Riddell> we should have katapult auto-launch instead of relying on ksmserver.  I think that's just a line in the .desktop file
[01:35] <Mez> yeah but if people dont want it ?
[01:35] <Mez> I mean - did you look at that bug?
[01:35] <Riddell> I remembera bug on the issue
[01:35] <Mez> but yeah
[01:35] <Mez> i closed it
[01:35] <Riddell> if people don't want it it doesn't get in the way
[01:35] <Mez> people dont neccessarily want it there
[01:36] <Mez> and seeing as alt+space overrieskmail shortcuts :D
[01:36] <Hobbsee> with the latest version of katapult, is there a way to get the system tray icon again, once it's hidden, without going into the configuration file, and changing trayicon to equal true?
[01:36] <Mez> then if people dont want it they can easily get rid of it
[01:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: control-space control-c
[01:36] <Mez> Hobbsee, alt+space - ctrl+c configure katapult -> show icon in systray
[01:37] <Mez> Riddell - i think it should be how it is
[01:37] <Mez> turned on by default but not forced
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ah...i see...
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Mez was right
[01:37] <Hobbsee> cool :) - i just edited the config file last night when i wanted to get at the system tray icon...
[01:37] <Hobbsee> much quicker this way
[01:38] <Mez> lol
[01:38] <Mez> Riddell - I'll readd that patch though
[01:38] <Mez> though i'm not too sure if it'll cause problems
[01:38] <Mez> it did before
[01:38] <Mez> wouldnt patch
[01:38] <Riddell> Mez: I already have
[01:39] <Mez> oh, ok :D
[01:39] <Mez> you're gonna do it that way :D
[01:39] <Mez> lol :D
[01:40] <Mez> Riddell: after this any chance of you helping me out with a package
[01:40] <Mez> I seriously have no idea why it's not working but dh_install is being a *****
[01:46] <Riddell> Mez: changing version no to katapult-0.3baz20051226 so 0.3.0 is greater
[01:47] <Mez> Riddell: the package will be released as 0.3.1 I believe :D
[01:47] <Mez> but tis up to you
[01:54] <seth_k|lappy> my eyes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: better than :'( ones though
[02:05] <Mez> lol
[02:05] <Mez> hows things seth ?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:15] <seth_k|lappy> just working on PHP stuff
[03:17] <Mez> Riddell: you might know who i can talk to about this: dcop kicker MenuManager doesnt seem to have anything
[03:17] <Mez> it's annoying cause we could use that for katapult if it did
[03:19] <Riddell> Mez: what should it do?
[03:20] <Mez> it should exist :D
[03:20] <Mez> it lists it as an export in dcop kicker
[03:20] <Mez> but i'm guessing in there should be functions to manage the kmenu via dcop
[03:21] <Riddell> aseigo would be the chap to know
[03:21] <Riddell> he's not on IRC just now
[03:21] <Mez> darn
[04:17] <crimsun_> Riddell: ping
[05:31] <jjesse> allee: are you still using qemu?  did you get networking enabled and working?
[05:32] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been removed from kubuntu-devel
[05:32] <Riddell> no more froud I guess
[05:32] <jjesse> Riddell: haven't seen him since his last disagreement w/ the doc-team
[05:32] <Tm_T> hi Riddell :)
[05:34] <Riddell> hi Tm_T
[05:35] <Mez> Riddell, do you know if muszilla is on IRC ? (and whats his nick)
[05:35] <Riddell> Mez: who is he?
[05:36] <Mez> Riddell: Andreas Muesgiller
[05:36] <Mez> the guy who does kzenexplorer etc
[05:37] <Riddell> Mez: not sure I'm afraid
[05:37] <Mez> fair enough :D
[05:38] <Mez> Riddell, any more changes needed for katapult?
[05:38] <Riddell> Mez: katapult is uploaded
[05:38] <Tm_T> hmh, I'm trying to compile kicker, but its whining something about missing /usr/lib/libXft.la and I can't find it
[05:38] <Mez> Riddell: ah - I didnt see anything in dapper-changes
[05:38] <Riddell> Mez: you should have got katie output too
[05:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: in libxft-dev
[05:39] <Mez> Riddell: you upped it in my name?
[05:39] <Mez> I didnt get katie output
[05:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: although if it's been scrapped you'll need to recompile everything that references it, grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*la
[05:39] <Riddell> Maintainer: Martin Meredith<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:39] <Riddell> Changed-By: Martin Meredith<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:39] <Mez> hmm
[05:40] <Mez> yeah
[05:40] <Mez> It's uploaded
[05:40] <Mez> weird
[05:40] <Mez> but no katie/dapper-changes output
[05:40] <Riddell> it was in dapper-changes
[05:41] <Mez> yeah
[05:41] <Mez> hmm
[05:41] <Mez> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2005-December/003848.html
[05:42] <Mez> I dont think I'm getting any email to my ubuntu.com email
[05:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh great
[05:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: I do have libxft-dev installed, but no libXft.la
[05:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: look at the changelog
[06:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok
[06:47] <Tm_T> this one is interesting: locate: fatal error: set_path_head: path_head len <= 0: 0
[06:47] <Tm_T> :p
[06:52] <Mez> Riddell, ping


[14:56] <dust> iso is 4,9gb and dvd rw is 4,7gb
[14:57] <arraybolt3> BluRay disks can hold it, probably?
[14:57] <arraybolt3> Usually USB drives are the installation media of choice these days though.
[15:04] <oerheks> 7 years ago https://ubunlog.com/en/iso-ubuntu-images-will-exceed-2gb/
[15:30] <dust> https://ubuntu.com/about Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'.
[16:37] <oerheks> The latest Kabuntu laptop 🤣 https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-kubuntu-focus-ir14-is-an-upcoming-linux-laptop-worthy-of-powering-the-kde-plasma-desktop/
[16:38] <oerheks> if someone has an account, please help them
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: Why are you laughing at that?
[17:59] <oerheks> typo
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> Oh.
[17:59] <oerheks> Kabuntu
[17:59] <oerheks> for more than a day now
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's pretty bad. Companies don't have editors anymore, clearly.
[18:00] <oerheks> i bet there are reactions send in.
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> (I used to work for Kubuntu Focus)
[18:01] <leftyfb> sorry, what am I missing?
[18:02] <leftyfb> ah, I see
[18:02] <leftyfb> silly typo
[18:03] <Eickmeyer> Corn on the Kabuntu.
[18:06] <oerheks> "Why you can trust ZDNET ... When you buy through our links, we may earn a commission."


[04:59] <Ratman5005> Hi, what time is the new ISO posted for the general release version 24.04?
[06:16] <xypron> paride: https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/453/builds/300305/downloads links to a non-existing image file.
[08:59] <paride> xypron,  I also just hit that. it's an issue with the iso tracker apparently (wrong serial). sil2100 is looking into it, in the meantime the 22.1 image is the one to test
[15:46] <Ratman5005> Ratman5005> Any tips on configuring my BIOS so that it will auto unlock TPM Based Disk Encryption? I have never gotten it to auto unlock in the past. ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI / AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D × 32 installing Ubuntu 24.04 LTS
[15:49] <dbungert> sometimes people are able to get fixes for TPMFDE by doing a BIOS update.  You might want to confirm that you have the latest BIOS firmware, Ratman5005.
[15:52] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:


[20:05] <[7hunderbird]> hello, anyone know if the new 14.04 would install on the raspberri-pi at all?
[20:07] <[7hunderbird]> or is it intented only for SoC (System on a Chip) machines?
[20:08] <Tassadar> pi is armv6, and ubuntu doesn't support that architecture for some time now
[20:09] <Tassadar> (and pi _is_ SoC)
[20:09] <[7hunderbird]> rgr that


[18:27] <infoturtle> anyone help me with a Grub error: symbol not found: 'grub_divmod64_full'? need to get into Windows and grub won't let me boot into her
[19:13] <davem> this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1735231
[19:13] <davem> generally grub into windows is just "for windows go to this partition and start the bootloader there"
[19:53] <infoturtle> ye, I saw that list but it did not help me at all, not get the same error, even after a purge
[19:58] <davem> reconfigure grub?
[19:59] <infoturtle> I'll try, have to look into how to do it
[23:53] <TheClash> hi
[23:59] <moylan> hi


[22:33] <BiosElement> Anyone have an Objection to my whipping up an Ubuntu Ohio LoCo Google+ page? Noticed Ubuntu's getting rather popular around there as of late.
[23:26] <Cheri703> I don't...have at it. can you make sure that council-y folk have access if needed?
[23:36]  * canthus13 has run into quite a few ubuntu users in the past few months...


[04:18] <esodan> Hi, I would like to file a bug againts gnome-shell for 14.10
[04:19] <esodan> When I usr <Alt>+<F2> then 'r' enter (reset gnome-shell) it lost keyboard configuration setting it to english by default  no spanish as system is confiugured
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Use [ ubuntu-bug gnome-shell ]
[04:45] <esodan> thanks
[06:20] <circ-user-WRw5s> hi, ive got a quick question and havent had luck searching around online
[06:21] <circ-user-WRw5s> im looking to enable a vnc server, however i cant seem to find it in the "All Settings" list
[06:22] <circ-user-WRw5s> i have vino installed
[06:26] <circ-user-WRw5s> found it. for those who read this in the terminal, type vino-preferences
[06:26] <mgedmin> circ-user-WRw5s, or System Preferences -> Sharing -> Screen Sharing
[06:27] <mgedmin> wheee, terminal is spewing
[06:27] <mgedmin> (gnome-control-center.real:12100): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_is_visible: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[06:27] <mgedmin> while I play around with switches in that dialog
[06:27] <circ-user-WRw5s> i dont see "Sharing" listed under system preferences... do you consider System Preferences the same window as System Settings?
[06:31] <circ-user-WRw5s> perhaps its because im running from a live usb. ill install it and check again
[06:39] <mgedmin> oh, I'm sorry!  I upgraded to gnome 3.14 from the staging ppa
[06:40] <mgedmin> livecd of ubuntu 14.10 has gnome 3.12
[07:02] <circ-user-WRw5s> hmm. installed it and i still dont see the sharing option
[07:06] <circ-user-WRw5s> lets see how things look after an update


[00:07] <nhaines> Ooh, U1M for Android update.
[03:48] <snap-l> I seem to have my /tmp directory filling up because of U1
[03:49] <snap-l> It also appears to be unable to complete a transfer of one file
[03:49] <snap-l>   path: /home/craig/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/T3chnophob1a/Grave New World/02. Abduction Starfleet.mp3
[03:49] <snap-l>     deflated size: 7459246
[03:49] <snap-l> (upload to U1)
[03:49] <snap-l>     bytes written: 7459246
[03:52] <snap-l> There's 16 copies of the same file with different filenames
[03:56] <snap-l> And of course u1sdtool -q && u1sdtool -c cleared that up.
[03:57] <verterok> snap-l: I think there is bug about that...but dont have the number at hand
[03:58] <snap-l> I added myself to the tmp directory filling up bug
[03:58] <snap-l> not sure about the sync daemon bug
[03:58] <snap-l> seems to rear it's ugly head whenever there's connectivity trouble.
[03:59] <snap-l> which tends to occur when I'm doing large transfers
[03:59] <snap-l> I'd be more than happy to guinea pig for someone if they need someone to test
[04:00] <verterok> snap-l: if you hit the issue again, please file a bug and attach the logs, if it's possible DEBUG logs :)
[04:00] <snap-l> I have debug logs
[04:00] <snap-l> haven't turned them off since last time
[04:00] <verterok> ah, ok
[04:01]  * verterok heads out to sleep a few hours
[04:01] <verterok> snap-l: later!
[04:01] <snap-l> laterness
[08:08] <mandel> morning all!
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning, world. :-)
[09:47] <mandel> is it holidays somewhere? dammed this is empty...
[10:05] <facundobatista_> Hola!
[10:10] <mandel> facundobatista, buenas!
[10:10] <facundobatista> Hola mandel
[10:10] <gatox> hi everyone
[10:10] <facundobatista> Hola gatox
[10:10] <gatox> facundobatista, buenas
[10:21] <mandel> gatox, hola
[10:22] <mandel> finally people!
[10:22] <mandel> I was getting lonely :P
[10:22] <mandel> no offence JamesTait :P
[10:25] <gatox> mandel, do you still have a headache?
[10:27] <mandel> gatox, nah, I'm fine :)
[10:27] <gatox> mandel, cool
[10:27] <mandel> gatox, I have migraines due to circulation probelms... so in the bad ones I bleed thorugh my nose, throw up and have a headache
[10:27] <mandel> but yesterday I had a drugs contail that made it less discusting ;)
[10:28] <mandel> gatox, did I miss something important? or just bussiness as usual?
[10:28] <gatox> mandel, just as usual
[10:29] <mandel> cool, I'll get back to find where is the unicode being licked...
[10:40] <ralsina_gone> morning!
[10:42] <ralsina> gatox, mandel: if you could review this one please? https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-tests/+merge/73247
[10:42] <gatox> ralsina, on it
[10:43] <ralsina> gatox: thanks!
[10:43] <ralsina> gatox: you still have branches needing reviews?
[10:43] <gatox> ralsina,  i was looking for it..... this one please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/setup-buttons/+merge/73251
[10:44] <ralsina> gatox: got it!
[10:44] <ralsina> gatox: conflict!
[10:44] <gatox> ralsina, ohh....
[10:44]  * gatox fixing...
[10:44] <ralsina> Also, the commentin line 579 of the diff is wrong (copy&paste)
[10:46] <gatox> ralsina, yep
[10:47] <mandel> ralsina, on it!
[10:47] <ralsina> thanks mandel!
[10:47] <nessita> good morning everyone
[10:48] <mandel> ralsina, question, the local folders, why do you expand ~/Documents?
[10:48] <mandel> ralsina, that is going to be problematic in installations that are in spanish.. or any other lang
[10:48] <ralsina> mandel: because it's supposed to return absolute paths
[10:49] <ralsina> mandel: Does ubuntu localize the name of the folders?
[10:49] <nessita> gatox: hi there! question, I had this MP to review but is no longer there, any idea what happened? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/setup-buttons/+merge/73227
[10:49] <mandel> ralsina, well, you ought to be using this on windows: http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/107/
[10:50] <mandel> ralsina, is that code only used on linux? and yes I think we do have localized folders :(
[10:50] <mandel> facundobatista, ping
[10:50] <ralsina> mandel: on windows it's using the right thing, that code is linux code
[10:50] <ralsina> mandel: read the comment too :-)
[10:50] <mandel> ralsina, oh, pyxdg...
[10:50] <facundobatista> mandel, pong
[10:50] <nessita> ralsina, mandel: ubuntu does localize special folders, and we do nothing special about that
[10:50] <gatox> nessita, yes... i was having the same problem again, remote lock of bazaar, and i couldn't break from here
[10:51] <nessita> gatox: did you ask help in u1-internal or in canonical support?
[10:51] <mandel> facundobatista, I was going to ask you if the folder are localized cause I know you have ubuntu in spanish, but nessita already confirmed it :)
[10:52] <mandel> ralsina, so, I'd say there most be a way to get those folders, right? if not you can ask nautilus about them or something... but I don't know
[10:52] <gatox> nessita, nop..... noone review that branch yet at that moment, so i just delete it
[10:53] <mandel> ralsina, also I would re-enable the pylint issues after the import you know that dont work
[10:53] <mandel> ralsina, lines 187 and 200 in the diff
[10:53] <ralsina> mandel: ok, I will re-enable
[10:53] <facundobatista> mandel, ok
[10:53] <nessita> gatox: ok, since you had this issue twice, let's try to debug it the next time, I'm curious what is happening with these locks
[10:53] <ralsina> facundobatista: do you have a ~/Documents in spanish or is it a ~/Documentos ?
[10:53] <gatox> nessita, ok
[10:53] <facundobatista> ralsina, the later
[10:53] <mandel> ralsina, is mainly in case we have other imports in the code and they are wrong :)
[10:53] <nessita> gatox: by any chance, did you hit cancel any push in that branch with ctrl-c, for example?
[10:54] <ralsina> facundobatista: dang.
[10:54] <gatox> nessita, yes, that was the problem...
[10:54] <facundobatista> ralsina, ?
[10:54] <ralsina> mandel: I suppose I will have to parse the config file. That suuuuuuuuuuucks :-(
[10:54] <nessita> gatox: and what command did you run to break the lock?
[10:54] <gatox> bzr break-lock (but this is locally)
[10:54] <nessita> ralsina: hi there! what problem are you trying to solve?
[10:55] <facundobatista> ralsina, eso
[10:55] <facundobatista> ralsina, what you want to do?
[10:55] <mandel> ralsina, one more thing... is there a need to recalculate os.path.expanduser("~/Documents") for everytime the function is called :)
[10:55] <nessita> gatox: when you hit ctrl-c, what you need to unlock is the remote branch, afaik
[10:55] <ralsina> facundobatista, nessita: creating the list of default UDFs for Linux, so that part of the installer is cross-platform
[10:55] <ralsina> mandel: it's only called once :-)
[10:55] <facundobatista> ralsina, default UDFs?
[10:55] <mandel> ralsina, cool
[10:56] <gatox> nessita, yes... i didn't know how to do that... :(
[10:56] <mandel> ralsina, other one, why do we have windows and linux code in the same file?
[10:56] <ralsina> facundobatista: we have a wizard that "suggests" some UDFs for users on first setup
[10:56] <facundobatista> ralsina, ah, nice
[10:56] <mandel> ralsina, I though we would always have a file for linux and a diff for windows, even if it is for small things...
[10:56] <nessita> ralsina: since syncdaemon does not handle special folder localization (at least for now), what is the issue? (besides showing a default list in whatever language the user has)
[10:56] <mandel> ralsina, you are not allowed to wish me andother migraine!
[10:56] <nessita> gatox: bzr break <remote url of your branch>
[10:56] <ralsina> mandel: I'm open to doing that. However, this should be moved into our xdg eventually
[10:57] <gatox> nessita, ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:57] <ralsina> nessita: that I don't know how to get the right folder name
[10:57] <mandel> ralsina, hm... that module is starting to grow to a ridiculous level, and sso with it... stupid xdg!
[10:57] <nessita> gatox: for the next time ;-)
[10:57] <gatox> nessita, yes, thanks
[10:57] <mandel> ralsina, ask nessita she is the team lead, but I certainly would prefer to have separated files for the code
[10:58] <ralsina> mandel: it's ok, I will move it into utils
[10:58] <mandel> ralsina, cool, is mainly so that we keep the same patten everywhere :)
[10:58]  * mandel walks dog
[10:59] <mandel> nessita, ralsina I'll be back in an hour 'caus eI'll have lunch too :)
[10:59] <mandel> cu in a bit
[10:59] <ralsina> bye mandel!
[11:01] <facundobatista> ralsina, when I see utilities like "xdg-user-dirs-update", I think that Unix tradition is lost, I don't know who accepted this kind of tools
[11:01] <facundobatista> ralsina, no man page, if you do --help it just gives you some params, no explanation
[11:01] <ralsina> facundobatista: yeah, it sucks
[11:01] <ralsina> the whole xdg suite is a hack
[11:02] <nessita> ralsina: were you and mandel talking about https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-tests/+merge/73247 ?
[11:02] <ralsina> nessita: yes
[11:02] <nessita> ralsina: is the code that does the expand ~/Documents going to change?
[11:03] <ralsina> nessita: it seems eventually we will have to do a real xdg implementation of that
[11:03] <ralsina> nessita: so yes, rewritten
[11:04] <gatox> ralsina, +1
[11:04] <gatox> (branch)
[11:04] <ralsina> gatox: thanks!
[11:04] <gatox> ralsina, and my branch was fixed (conflicts): https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/setup-buttons/+merge/73251
[11:04] <ralsina> gatox: ok, looking!
[11:12] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:15] <ralsina> gotta take thekid to school,be back in 45 or so
[11:28] <nessita> gatox: ping
[11:28] <gatox> nessita, pong
[11:29] <nessita> gatox: not sure what this comment means "can't do that because the page is not added yet (this change has been applied in the installer, but it's not possible to do that in sso)" since I see you changed that in the code?
[11:30] <gatox> nessita, ohh...... i don't know what that code wasn't updated
[11:31] <nessita> gatox: ENOPARSE :-)
[11:31] <gatox> nessita, i have that changed in my machine and tells me that i don't have any files modified....... i will push the last version now
[11:31] <nessita> hum?
[11:31] <nessita> gatox: wait
[11:32] <nessita> gatox: I see you changed stuff like the following:
[11:32] <nessita> from "self.view.ui.set_up_button.style()" to "self.view.set_up_button.style()"
[11:32] <nessita> gatox: so you could do what I asked in sso?
[11:32] <gatox> nessita, no.... that code is wrong, that won't work
[11:33] <gatox> nessita, we discuss this with ralsina yesterday
[11:33] <nessita> gatox: I read a bit of backlog and I saw that you can't do it before initializePage, right?
[11:33] <nessita> gatox: can be define the "synonym" in initializePage?
[11:34] <gatox> nessita, not following the last one...
[11:35] <nessita> gatox: ok, for the top. In the MP you say "can't do that because the page is not added yet"
[11:35] <nessita> gatox: well, my question is, can we define the "synonym" once the page is added?
[11:35] <nessita> the "synonym" would be set_up_button == custom3
[11:36] <gatox> nessita, i'm doing that in the installer side
[11:36] <gatox> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:36] <gatox> that!
[11:36] <gatox> nessita, yes, i can do that
[11:36] <nessita> gatox: would that make things clearer?
[11:37] <gatox> nessita, yes, you won't have to remember what custom3 is....
[11:37]  * gatox fixing
[11:37] <nessita> gatox: great!
[12:13] <gatox> nessita, changes applied in branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/setup-buttons/+merge/73087
[12:14] <nessita> looking in 5
[12:30] <ralsina> HEY, I CREATED A UDF!
[12:31] <ralsina> The bad news are, I had to stop and start the u1cp for it to show
[12:32] <nessita> ralsina: file me a bug!
[12:32] <ralsina> nessita: 2 actually: the u1cp doesn't end the process whenthe window closes
[12:32] <nessita> ralsina: that's... complicated, but yes, bug is needed
[12:33] <nessita> ralsina: the twisted web client is not ending the connections, I think (same happens on linux)
[12:33] <ralsina> nessita: ack
[12:35] <nessita> ralsina: can you confirm that id you wait enough, the process does end?
[12:35] <ralsina> nessita: I can't confirm it yet but I will try
[12:35] <nessita> thanks
[12:36] <ralsina> nessita: the UDF problem is bug #835013
[12:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 835013 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Can't create UDFs on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835013
[12:36] <ralsina> as in, it started that way, and it has a partial fix, needs tihe UI refreshing thing
[12:36] <nessita> ok, I'll assign it to me
[12:37] <ralsina> nessita: assigned already
[12:38] <nessita> gatox: ubuntu_sso/qt/controllers.py:
[12:38] <nessita>     497:  [W0201, SetUpAccountController.setupUi] Attribute 'set_up_account' defined outside __init__
[12:38] <nessita> gatox: you need to assign it with None at creation time
[12:42] <gatox> nessita, ok
[12:49] <gatox> nessita, done
[12:49] <nessita> gatox: rebranching
[12:51] <ralsina> nessita, gatox, mandel, alecu: standup in 9'
[12:51] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[12:59] <mandel> ack
[12:59] <alecu> hello!
[13:00] <alecu> me
[13:00] <gatox> me
[13:00] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:00] <nessita> me
[13:00] <ralsina> me
[13:01] <nessita> mandel: me?
[13:01] <mandel> me
[13:01] <mandel> sorry :P
[13:01] <nessita> alecu: go!
[13:02] <alecu> DONE: almost done with delayed hashing branch
[13:02] <alecu> TODO: finish delayed hashing, research and IRL update events
[13:02] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[13:02] <alecu> NEXT! gatox
[13:02] <gatox> DONE:
[13:02] <gatox> Bug #833921, Bug #836859, Bug #835167
[13:02] <gatox> TODO:
[13:02] <gatox> Finish Reset Password page.
[13:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:02] <gatox> No.
[13:02] <gatox> nessita, go
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 833921 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "When closing the installer, it hangs (affects: 1) (heat: 30)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833921
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 836859 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "wizard can't be resized (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836859
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 835167 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Wizard is not closed on license agreement screen (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835167
[13:02] <nessita> DONE: not much, had to attend a family issue
[13:02] <nessita> TODO: finish bug #834900 (almost done), reviews
[13:02] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:02] <nessita> NOTES: teaching duties at noon today
[13:02] <nessita> NEXT: ralsina
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 834900 in ubuntuone-control-panel "QT UI: Implement logic behind 'Sign In' Panel (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834900
[13:02] <ralsina> DONE: some IRL testing [UDFs work!], bug #834953, bug #832989, bug #831424 (partial), reported a few bugs. TODO: fix another part of 831424 (double clicking on shares), merge my pending branches, release
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 834953 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "The uninstaller is called with the wrong arguments (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834953
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 832989 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Provide the actual revno of the code that is distributed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832989
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 831424 in ubuntuone-control-panel "clicking "Explore" in rows of cloud folders tab does nothing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831424
[13:02] <ralsina> BLOCKED: not today
[13:02] <ralsina> mandel?
[13:03] <mandel> DONE: recovered from migraine. Sorry for the inconvenience. Worked on bug 831634
[13:03] <mandel> TODO: finish fix for 831634, reviews.
[13:03] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[13:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 831634 in ubuntuone-client "ActionQueue - Upload Error running the command: Path u'\\\\?\\c:\\users\\rickmc~1\\appdata\\local\\temp\\tmpkxbjks' should be a bytes sequence (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831634
[13:03] <mandel> I'm last I think
[13:03] <ralsina> ye syou are
[13:03] <ralsina> so, comments?
[13:04] <nessita> no comments
[13:04] <mandel> me neither
[13:04] <gatox> ralsina, i wanted to ask you something about the reset password page....
[13:04] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[13:04] <ralsina> alecu: did you get my email about u1-client being broken?
[13:04] <mandel> nessita, one question, what was the trick ou used to run the tests on a mounted HD from virualbox?
[13:04] <mandel> nessita, rahter than mounted disk, a shared folder, sorry
[13:04] <alecu> ralsina, didn't check my mails yet :-)
[13:04] <ralsina> alecu: ok
[13:05] <nessita> mandel: set TRIAL_TEMP_DIR=C:\Temp\foo
[13:05] <nessita> mandel: so, point it to somewhere writable by your user under C:
[13:06] <gatox> ralsina, i'm seeing that there is some code in the installer that i'll need in sso in order to finish the reset password page... but i think that we should move some functions from the installer to sso in order to avoid to duplicate code...... such as: password_assistance methods, password strings constants, and so....... what do you think? is that the proper solution?
[13:06] <mandel> nessita, cool, thx!
[13:06] <ralsina> gatox: yes it is
[13:06] <gatox> ralsina, ok, on it then!
[13:06] <alecu> ralsina, weird
[13:07] <gatox> have to leave now.... i've to go to the AFIP :S.... BRB!
[13:07] <gatox> i hope
[13:07] <gatox> ralsina, nessita ^
[13:07] <nessita> gatox: ack
[13:12] <nessita> alecu: did you and verterok resolved something about the tarmac failure related to tritcask?
[13:13]  * mandel wishes apt-get was ported to windows...
[13:18] <alecu> nessita, no, we didn't reach any conclusion
[13:18] <nessita> alecu: ah, ralsina mentioned that we may have added a bug inside trunk, so that is not confirmed?
[13:19] <ralsina> alecu: verterok said revno 1111 is the one that makes thetest fail
[13:20] <alecu> ralsina, yup. I saw that on the mails
[13:21] <alecu> ralsina, probably it's a state issue; something changes the order of tests on the new tarmac and that makes this fail
[13:21] <alecu> ralsina, I need to bring amelia to kinder; I'll be back in 30' and will look at this.
[13:23] <ralsina> alecu: ack
[13:26] <verterok> alecu: is a state issue, but a different one. the last_generated_id is a class attribute, that lives between threads
[13:27] <verterok> s/threads/tests/ :p
[13:27] <verterok> nessita, ralsina: ^
[13:27] <alecu> verterok, right :-(
[13:27] <nessita> verterok: seems bad, but I can't see the issue yet (lack of context)
[13:28] <alecu> nessita, "bzr cdiff -r 1110..1111" in u1-client
[13:28] <verterok> nessita: only affect tests
[13:28] <verterok> not the real code, as we only have one instance of Tritcask class
[13:29] <nessita> I see
[13:29] <alecu> verterok, do you have a log of the failing tests?
[13:29] <verterok> alecu: nope
[13:29] <alecu> verterok, does this happen only to sidnei's tarmac?
[13:29] <verterok> alecu: only tested it there
[13:30] <nessita> alecu: is not happening on "my" tarmac
[13:30] <nessita> alecu: but seems like my computer is faster than average
[13:30] <alecu> nessita, right. And it's not happening to me either, and I'm on the slowest laptop around
[13:31] <verterok> alecu: we need to move the last_generated_id into the instance, or reset the value in the setup/teardown of every test
[13:32] <alecu> verterok, I really need to be out for 30', I'll check it when I return.
[13:32] <verterok> ok
[13:33] <ralsina> nessita: 20 minutes doesn't seem to be "enough" time for u1cp to close
[13:33] <nessita> ralsina: ok, then I take that as a "no"
[13:34] <alecu> nessita, ralsina: btw: for my next branch I'll need to use the following MIT licensed file in u1-client, so we can have OrderedDict on python 2.6 (as used in previous ubuntus): http://code.activestate.com/recipes/576693/
[13:34] <alecu> nessita, ralsina: I'm thinking of including it in contrib... should I put it somewhere else?
[13:34] <nessita> alecu: let's talk when you come back
[13:35] <alecu> sure, I just wanted to spark the discussion :-)
[13:35] <alecu> bye, all
[13:35] <nessita> I'm not sure we can put MIT license anywhere :-.
[13:38] <ralsina> nessita, is the login screen UI in u1cp still a work in progress?
[13:38] <nessita> ralsina: yes, almost finished (reviews are getting in the way :-)). Shall I prioritize the branch instead of reviews?
[13:38] <ralsina> nessita: because it's showing up (disabled) for a while if sso is not started, and then you get this beauty: http://screencast.com/t/bp9YV6pD
[13:39] <ralsina> nessita: I say, let's clean our review queues this morning and code the rest of theday
[13:39] <nessita> ralsina: ok
[13:39] <nessita> ralsina: please file me a bug for that screen
[13:39] <ralsina> nessita: but if you have too many, I can take a few
[13:39] <nessita> ralsina: not too many, just not so trivial :-)
[13:41] <mandel> nessita, ping
[13:42] <nessita> mandel: pong
[13:43] <mandel> nessita, I'm trying to debug ricks bug but I'm finding it hard since the os_helper assertions do no provide which methods raised them, do you mind if I propose a branch in which at least the name of the function that raised the os_helper assertion is given?
[13:44] <nessita> mandel: well, I don't mind, but the method raising the exception is in the trace, isn't it?
[13:46] <testi_> Can I buy music using my phone? I never think of buying music when I'm at home.
[13:46] <mandel> nessita, the parent method is, yet http://paste.ubuntu.com/677980/ is not very useful, http://paste.ubuntu.com/677980/
[13:47] <mandel> nessita, something like Path u'\\\\?\\c:\\users\\rickmc~1\\appdata\\local\\temp\\tmpkxbjks' should be a bytes sequence qhen passed to rename
[13:47] <mandel> for example wold be nicer
[13:49] <nessita> mandel: ok, sounds good. How are you planning on getting the caller?
[13:49] <nessita> testi_: I'm not sure, let me confirm
[13:49] <nessita> testi_: what phone is it?
[13:51] <mandel> nessita, the decorator gets the function and then we use function.__name__, or am I missing something?
[13:52] <nessita> ralsina: is https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-tests/+merge/73247 ready for review?
[13:52] <nessita> mandel: you're right!
[13:52] <nessita> mandel: I was thinking something else
[13:52] <nessita> mandel: yes, sounds even better
[13:53] <ralsina> nessita: I am not sure what to do about default_folders
[13:53] <mandel> nessita, ok, I'll do that, propose for branch and will do an IRL, the code that fails has no tests... is kind of hard to know where that unicode is comming from
[13:54] <ralsina> nessita: that code is not really correct for linux, but the fix is big and belongs in xdg
[13:54] <nessita> ralsina: right. What about moving the special folder digger to utils and add a fixed result for linux?
[13:55] <nessita> ralsina: so, from the Qt side we use a unified function from utils, and we later implement the linux side (but we have something working for now)
[13:55] <ralsina> nessita: agreed
[14:00] <mandel> nessita, ralsina, gatox shall we wait for alecu for the mumble call?
[14:00] <ralsina> mandel: yes
[14:00] <nessita> mandel: I guess so, besides bosses are in the management call, I think
[14:01] <mandel> ok
[14:01] <mandel> nessita, ralsina please ping me wheneve you want :)
[14:01] <nessita> ralsina: can I set a custom property for a widget using designer?
[14:01] <mandel> I cannot have mumble running, my system hates it
[14:01] <ralsina> nessita: I think so, but I haven't tried :-)
[14:02] <nessita> ralsina: I just found it! thanks
[14:02] <ralsina> no problem
[14:04] <alecu> hello!
[14:04] <facundobatista>   File "/home/facundo/canonical/u1-client/trunk/tests/platform/test_credentials.py", line 247, in assert_method_called
[14:04] <facundobatista>     self.assertIsNotNone(reply_handler, 'Must provide a reply_handler')
[14:04] <facundobatista> exceptions.AttributeError: 'ArgsTestCase' object has no attribute 'assertIsNotNone'
[14:06] <nessita> facundobatista: booo where are you using python2.6?
[14:07] <facundobatista> nessita, desktop
[14:07] <nessita> facundobatista: let me propose a fix for that (but we assume dev envs are running python2.7)
[14:07] <facundobatista> nessita, bad assumption :)
[14:07] <facundobatista> nessita, tell me about the fix, I'll include it
[14:08] <nessita> facundobatista: no, is a known assumption :-)
[14:08] <facundobatista> nessita, I'm starting to work in the fix for tritcask
[14:08] <facundobatista> nessita, is a known bad assumption :)
[14:08] <nessita> facundobatista: self.assertIsNotNone(reply_handler, 'Must provide a reply_handler') -> self.assertTrue(reply_handler is not None, 'Must provide a reply_handler')
[14:09] <facundobatista> nessita, ok
[14:12] <testi_> nessita: an android phone
[14:13] <nessita> testi_: let me check
[14:13] <nessita> beuno: can android phone users buy music from their phone?
[14:17] <Chipaca> nessita: yes, they can. Not from our store, though.
[14:17] <nessita> Chipaca: ack, thanks
[14:18] <nessita> testi_: you can't buy music using our store from your phone :-/
[14:20] <testi_> nessita: hmm but I can buy music? Which provider?
[14:20] <nessita> testi_: no idea
[14:20] <testi_> Chipaca?
[14:21] <Chipaca> testi_: "AmazonMP3"
[14:22] <ralsina> nessita: pushed fix-tests with default_folders moved into utils
[14:22] <nessita> ralsina: ok, looking in 10
[14:22] <testi_> Chipaca: thanks, I'll check
[14:35] <ralsina> gatox: are you around?
[14:37] <gatox> ralsina, i'm back!!!!!!
[14:37] <gatox> i hate to do errands :@
[14:37] <ralsina> ok, then, gatox, nessita, mandel, alecu mumble in 10'?
[14:37] <gatox> ralsina, did i miss mumble?
[14:37] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[14:37] <nessita> sure
[14:38] <nessita> ralsina: Chipaca too?
[14:38] <ralsina> Chipaca is welcome of curse
[14:38] <ralsina> of cOurse
[14:39] <mandel> ok
[14:40] <nessita> por curso!
[14:46] <nessita> ralsina: what's the QTonic way of making the hit of <enter> in a lineedit to activate the default button? conneting returnPressed?
[14:46] <Chipaca> nessita: *de* curso, clearly
[14:46] <ralsina> or editingFinished
[14:46] <alecu> facundobatista, "<facundobatista> nessita, I'm starting to work in the fix for tritcask" -> what is the fix for tritcask?
[14:46] <ralsina> of curses?
[14:46] <nessita> ralsina: ack
[14:46] <nessita> lol
[14:46] <nessita> ralsina: we're in mumble, you coming?
[14:47] <ralsina> nessita: yes, sorry
[15:03] <ralsina> gatox: asignado
[15:04] <gatox> ralsina, okkkkkk
[15:14] <facundobatista> minifig, the fix in the tests
[15:24] <facundobatista> nessita, is control panel broken? https://pastebin.canonical.com/51936/
[15:24] <nessita> facundobatista: looking
[15:24] <nessita> facundobatista: you in maverick using nightlies?
[15:25] <facundobatista> nessita, yeap
[15:25] <nessita> facundobatista: we've been this road last week :-)
[15:25] <facundobatista> nessita, ENOPARSE
[15:26] <nessita> facundobatista: you asked me the same last week, we reviewed the build log, we saw a nasty error in the tests
[15:27] <facundobatista> nessita, ah...
[15:27] <facundobatista> nessita, what about ubuntuone-login? https://pastebin.canonical.com/51938/
[15:28] <nessita> facundobatista: must be the same issue, can you please check the credentials log?
[15:32] <facundobatista> nessita, all I get is
[15:32] <facundobatista> 2011-08-30 12:30:57,758 - ubuntuone.credentials - INFO - Starting Ubuntu One login manager for bus u'com.ubuntuone.Credentials'.
[15:34] <facundobatista> nessita, mmm... in other terminal it worked, how strange
[15:41] <nessita> ...
[15:47] <nessita> gatox: I reviewed your last branch, has some things to fix
[15:47] <nessita> ralsina: looking at yours now
[15:47] <gatox> nessita, yes, i'm fixing that
[15:52] <mandel> ralsina, alecu, nessita, gatox please can I hae a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/add-method-name/+merge/73400
[15:53] <gatox> mandel, ok
[15:53] <mandel> gatox, thx!
[15:55] <nessita> mandel: 450 lines to add method names?
[15:56] <nessita> mandel: also, can you please restore all the removed lines before the docstring ends?
[15:56] <nessita> mandel: ideally restore all the removed blank lines, so the diff does not grow unnecessarily
[15:57] <nessita> ralsina: hum, your branch depends on gatox, maybe?
[15:58] <nessita> ralsina: I'm getting     from ubuntu_sso.qt.controllers import (
[15:58] <nessita> ImportError: cannot import name TosController
[15:58] <ralsina> nessita: you get that in mine?
[15:58] <gatox> nessita, yes, i said that my sso and installer branches were related.
[15:58] <nessita> ralsina: yeap, cuz gatox's sso landed
[15:58] <nessita> (but the installer one did not yet)
[15:59] <gatox> nessita, i'm updating the changes in the installer so you can re-review it
[15:59] <ralsina> nessita: ok, then it has to wait fo rhis
[16:01] <gatox> nessita, branch ready for re-review and i answer your comment: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/setup-buttons/+merge/73251
[16:02] <nessita> gatox: if you need a subset of test with a common setup, then you should make a new testcase
[16:02] <nessita> gatox: instead of duplicating in each one the patching
[16:04] <gatox> nessita, ok...... i'll create another testCase right now
[16:06] <mandel> nessita, sure, np
[16:08] <nessita> mandel: I added a couple of needs fixing, you may wanna check with meld the changes you're proposing
[16:09] <nessita> mandel: seems like your editor has a weird setup regarding spaces
[16:09] <gatox> nessita, done
[16:10] <nessita> gatox: rebraching
[16:13] <mandel> nessita, i changed editor to try a new one, that is probably the issue
[16:17] <nessita> gatox: you left a couple of lines commented out
[16:17] <nessita> #        self.terms_checkbox.setText(
[16:17] <nessita> #            TERMS.format(TERMS_LINK, PRIVACY_POLICY_LINK))
[16:17] <nessita> I think you want to remove those?
[16:18] <nessita> gatox, ralsina: I gotta run, so I will be reviewing this when I get back (6pm ART)
[16:18] <ralsina> nessita: ok
[16:20] <nessita> gatox: the rest looks good! (please note there is another line commented out, which is a comment itself
[16:22] <nessita> ralsina: while IRL tetsing the signin in controlpanel, I realized we were logging sensible data in u1client, so I'm proposing https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/careful-logging/+merge/73407
[16:23] <ralsina> nessita: makes sense to me
[16:23] <ralsina> nessita: I'll do a proper review later, and merge it if all tests pass
[16:23] <nessita> ralsina: thanks
[16:26] <gatox> nessita, yes
[16:26]  * gatox fixing
[16:27] <ralsina> lunch! me too
[16:28] <nessita> ok, teaching duties!
[16:28] <nessita> see ya later
[16:28]  * nessita will be back
[16:35] <mandel> nessita, ralsina_lunch, alecu gatox_lunch, I have an appointement at the bank, I'll be back later
[16:36] <gatox_lunch> mandel, ack
[17:12] <tera___> ubuntuone seems to be creating tons of files under /tmp
[17:12] <tera___> Why is this happening?
[17:25] <facundobatista> tera___, it's the file compressed for Upload
[17:25] <tera___> Ahh
[17:26] <facundobatista> tera___, it should be cleaned after the Upload was finished
[17:26] <tera___> Thanks
[17:30] <facundobatista> nessita, verterok, https://code.launchpad.net/~facundo/ubuntuone-client/fix-trunk/+merge/73417
[17:41] <duanedesign> mandel: The Windows client can you select folders to sync? If so is that limited to a specific folder (like the Home folder on Ubuntu)?
[17:47] <ralsina_lunch> duanedesign: you mean the one we are doing now? Same limitation as in linux: has to be inside the user's home folder
[18:06] <ralsina> mandel, alecu: either of you still has on his plate the "watches are added to parents of UDFs"?
[18:06] <ralsina> because it just happened to me: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/678190/
[18:13]  * gatox cries... refactor makes test fail really bad.... :P
[18:16] <ralsina> gatox: the good part is usually those are easy to fix
[18:16] <gatox> ralsina, yep...... but things seems to be getting better! so its good!
[18:45] <duanedesign> thank you ralsina
[18:55] <alecu> ralsina, do we have a bug for "watches on parents"?
[18:55] <alecu> ralsina, I remember the issue
[18:59] <ralsina> alecu: I don't think we do
[18:59] <ralsina> alecu: and it is a critical bug since it means an endless stream of events for syncdaemon, including duplicates for all events in ~/Ubuntu One
[19:00] <alecu> ralsina, oooooh. And Ouch!
[19:00] <alecu> ralsina, I'll add a bug and take a look
[19:00] <ralsina> cool
[19:24] <mandel> ralsina, ping
[19:24] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[19:24] <mandel> ralsina, so, the UDF parents are getting a watch?
[19:24] <ralsina> mandel: yep
[19:24] <mandel> ralsina, if there is a bug report, gie it to me :)
[19:25] <mandel> I'm do the rmacbride now, or at least will try to reproduce it...
[19:25] <ralsina> mandel: a quick look at the code makes it look intentional (I remember it's intentional for linux)
[19:25] <ralsina> alecu was going to file it, don't know if he did it
[19:26] <mandel> ralsina, ok, I'll clean the screw up of spaces that my editor did in the branch I proposed and will get into that :P
[19:26] <ralsina> mandel: cool. isn't it way past your EOD though?
[19:26] <mandel> ralsina, that is what she said :)
[19:26] <mandel> ralsina, is either this or attempting to start the port to mac os x, your choice :)
[19:26] <alecu> mandel, I'll create the bug; should I assign it to you?
[19:26] <ralsina> this ;-)
[19:27] <mandel> thought so :)
[19:27] <ralsina> as a side note, this extra watch also explains the endless stream of exceptions on u1cp because of the missing remote_queue_added since the logs itself trigger them ;-D
[19:29] <mandel> ralsina, hm, adding those watches make no sense, so it logical for it to brake
[19:29] <ralsina> mandel: it makes sense on Linux to watch for UDF deletion, IIRC
[19:30] <mandel> ralsina, yeah, hours on the other hand will stop the user form renaming them, which is great :)
[19:31] <mandel> ralsina, we will have a similar issue on mac os x :P
[19:32] <ralsina> mandel: osx is still scifi to me
[19:32] <ralsina> mandel: until saturday at east
[19:32] <mandel> ralsina, well, but I use it hehe so I have to face it everyday :)
[19:32] <mandel> I want my u1 files alwwas there!
[19:33] <mandel> nessita, ping
[19:41] <ralsina> mandel: nessita is teaching
[19:41] <mandel> ralsina, Ill restrain by joke because she is in the team...
[19:42] <ralsina> and I am going to have to stop for a few hours, will work more later, so email me if anyone needs something
[19:42] <mandel> but it would have been a great one :)
[19:42] <Doughy> I keep getting a 403 Forbidden error when I try to make a file public in UbuntuOne.
[19:44] <duanedesign> hello Doughy
[19:44] <Doughy> hi
[19:45] <duanedesign> Doughy: did you email u1 support about this?
[19:45] <Doughy> No
[19:45] <duanedesign> ok
[19:46] <duanedesign> Doughy: just wondering if you were the same person or another user with the same proble,
[19:46] <duanedesign> problem*
[19:46] <duanedesign> Doughy: let me see what i can figure out
[19:47] <Doughy> OK
[19:47] <Doughy> thanks
[19:54] <duanedesign> Doughy: i was able to confirm the error
[19:54] <duanedesign> Doughy: we are implementing longer URLS for public files
[19:54] <Doughy> yeah, got that
[19:54] <Doughy> my URL is long
[19:55] <Doughy> is the server down or something?
[19:56] <duanedesign> Doughy: it is a new feature they just turned on today
[19:56] <duanedesign> Doughy: i have pinged the developer working on that and they are working to fix it
[19:56] <duanedesign> Doughy: thatnk you for pointing this out to us
[19:57] <Doughy> OK
[19:57] <Doughy> No prob
[19:57] <Doughy> I'll stay online to test
[20:23] <snap-l> I'm starting to get a complex. Did U1 go down again?
[20:26] <duanedesign> snap-l: are you having trouble connecting your desktop client?
[20:26] <snap-l> It's a desktop client, yes.
[20:27] <snap-l> Running on a laptop, trying to copy down files via wireless.
[20:32] <nhaines> Longer short URLs for public files?  aww.
[20:33] <duanedesign> snap-l: i am not seeing anything at the moment...
[20:33] <duanedesign> nhaines: they are working on that
[20:33] <duanedesign> nhaines: it is a much requested feature
[20:34] <nhaines> duanedesign: longer URLs?  :)  Hopefully they have more information in them then.
[20:34] <duanedesign> nhaines: apparently people did not like the fact that the urls were so short
[20:34] <nhaines> duanedesign: well, there's no accounting for taste.  :)
[20:35] <nhaines> Ubuntu One is having some trouble downloading some photos uploaded from my phone to my laptop computer.
[20:35] <duanedesign> nhaines: people were concerned with how easy it was to guess urls
[20:35] <snap-l> duanedesign: I'm getting aborted transfers, which start transferring all of the files from the beginning (no resume)
[20:35] <nhaines> snap-l: I'm getting that too.
[20:36] <duanedesign> nhaines: snap-l ok i will whip, i mean ping, the engineers
[20:37] <snap-l> Thank you kindly.
[20:37] <nhaines> duanedesign: thanks.  :)  Let me know if you need log files.
[21:05] <karni> duanedesign: you will whip the enginners, nice! really nice of you!
[21:05] <karni> We're not that bad, you know? ;)
[21:49]  * nessita is back
[21:49]  * nessita is back
[22:04] <nessita> mandel: you were looking for me?
[22:38] <nessita> ralsina: simple needs fixing added to fix-tests
[22:57] <ralsina> nessita: ack
[23:15] <ralsina> nessita: pushed the fixes for fix-tests if you still around
[23:16] <nessita> ralsina: I'm just leaving to do some cooking, will review later if I can, otherwise tomorrow at "primera hora"
[23:18]  * nessita -> eod for now


[07:56] <AtomicSpark> hey i found a mistake in the ubuntu server guide. should i report it here or where?
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #197557 in ubuntu-doc "Wrong Package for Server Guide: NTP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197557
[10:27] <ubotu> New bug: #49435 in ubuntu-doc "Server Guide, Firewall: Where to put firewall script?" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49435
[19:31] <visualdeception> nixternal, are you still interested in helping ubuntu-classroom?it is being revived
[19:34] <nixternal> visualdeception: maybe once it is up and running...for the past 2 years it was being revived and when I got involved, nothing happened further
[19:35] <visualdeception> ok, just wondered as we are having a meeting right now
[19:35] <nixternal> I will hop in..where is the meeting?
[19:35] <visualdeception> gobby
[19:35] <visualdeception> #ubuntu-classroom
[21:29] <AtomicSpark> hey how come you guys didn't have pdf versions for the 7.10 documentation?
[21:30] <AtomicSpark> or 7.04.
[21:32] <jjesse> cause no one made them?
[21:32] <jjesse> not quiete sure, contact the mailing list ot ask i'm sure somoen will know
[21:33] <robotgeek> hmm, i am not sure, i think they had difficulties with stuff breaking which prevented pdf's, me thinks
[21:33] <AtomicSpark> yeah. hard to keep pdf's up-to-date.
[22:29] <jjesse> in regards to the pdfs i think its because of the switch to topic based help that doesn't allow for printing of pdfs
[23:22] <kgoetz> iirc their done manually
[23:26] <posingaspopular> hey there jenda :P
[23:26] <posingaspopular> and jjesse
[23:26] <posingaspopular> long time no hi
[23:37] <jjesse> dang missed im
[23:38] <kgoetz> not by far eitehr
[23:39] <jjesse> yup not by much