[12:23] <crusty> hello! iv just installed UNACE to oper ace comressed file, but i can not run it from the K menu.how to runn sich thing???thanks
[12:30] <dwidmann> crusty: run it in konsole
[12:30] <j_> I have this ext3 partition that I want to mount on startup, how do I proceed?
[12:30] <dwidmann> it's a cli app
[12:30] <j_> it used to be ext2 and there is an entry for it in fstab, but that has the ext2 options
[12:30] <dwidmann> j_: well, if you want it to mount on startup, all you have to do is put it in your /etc/fstab file
[12:31] <Alumin_> can I use multiple monitors with my current setup (Kubuntu 6.06), or does it require special setup/modules?
[12:31] <dwidmann> j_ If you have it mounted right now, the easiest way to do so is to copy and paste the line from the /etc/mtab file that refers to it into the /etc/fstab file
[12:31] <j_> dwidmann: what should the line look like?
[12:31] <j_> ahaha
[12:31] <j_> a
[12:31] <Alumin_> note that I am deliberately _not_ describing my setup further, since I'm interested in seeing if the answer is contingent upon a particular setup :)
[12:31] <j_> I mean: ahah
[12:31] <user-land> Wie kann ich sehen wie voll meine disks sind ?
[12:32] <dwidmann> alumin: it might require special setup, but it can be done.
[12:32] <j_> it wont mount since fstab has the old options
[12:32] <user-land> sorry
[12:32] <user-land> How can i see how full my disks are ?
[12:32] <Alumin_> dwidmann: note: "editing the xorg.conf file" does not count as special setup
[12:32] <dwidmann> j_: old options?
[12:32] <dwidmann> user-land: df -h
[12:32] <Alumin_> I just mean, loading extra modules, etc
[12:32] <user-land> thanks dwidmann :-)
[12:32] <j_> it looks like this: dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ext2 nouser,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noe$
[12:33] <Alumin_> j_: try catting the file instead of opening it in an editor
[12:33] <Alumin_> that line goes on further
[12:33] <crusty> dwidman...how do i run it in konsole? what i hawe to writr in it to do so? sorry but im new of kubuntu
[12:33] <j_> oops, here: /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ext2 nouser,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[12:33] <dwidmann> crusty, come to think of it, I wonder if ark can make use of it for you
[12:34] <Alumin_> j_: that looks suitable for inclusion in fstab to me
[12:34] <crusty> ark is not good! i did tryed
[12:34] <j_> that is from fstab
[12:34] <Alumin_> oh
[12:34] <Alumin_> well then I guess I was right, eh
[12:34] <Alumin_> heh
[12:34] <j_> it's supposed to be ext3 though
[12:34] <Alumin_> ah
[12:35] <Alumin_> have you already created the journal?
[12:35] <j_> so the disk won't mount, you see I reformatted the partition
[12:35] <Alumin_> well, ext2 and ext3 are the same thing, ext3 just has a journal
[12:35] <j_> What I have done is mucked around with that partition with Gparted live-cd
[12:35] <dwidmann> j_: that's interesting, change that line to read something like "/dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ext3 defaults 0 0" and see if it  mounts.
[12:36] <Alumin_> if you already have the journal created, just change your fstab to ext3 and remount
[12:36] <j_> it's exititing to partition stuff when you have no idea what you are doing
[12:36] <j_> *exciting
[12:36] <Alumin_> that's the spirit!
[12:36] <j_> dwidmann, will do
[12:36] <crusty> there is anybody out there who can tell me how to run unace in console?
[12:37] <j_> I'm not sure if I have created the journal, how do I check or create it?
[12:37] <Alumin_> j_: tune2fs can check/create it for you
[12:37] <dwidmann> crusty: "unace --help" will give you usage information
[12:37] <crusty> ok! thanks
[12:40] <Alumin_> random question #2: Any luck with LightScribe in Edgy or Feisty?
[12:40] <Alumin_> either as a K3b extension, or using the standalone app provided by LaCie
[12:41] <gabrieldain> Anybody know of a program that acts like AnyDVD (in windows), bypassing DVD and CD copyright restrictions?
[12:42] <Alumin_> from what I've read, it works fine on Dapper but not Edgy or Feisty
[12:42] <Alumin_> gabrieldain: you can't just "bypass" CSS
[12:42] <xst> I own a monitor that can rotate 90 degrees. How can I rotate screen when I rotate the monitor (from portrait to landscape)?
[12:42] <Alumin_> and CDs don't have copyright restrictions in a technical sense
[12:43] <Alumin_> xst: my guess would be that that kind of function would require cooperation from the driver
[12:43] <j_> alright, tune2fs is too hard for me
[12:43] <gabrieldain> Alumin_, leaving all technical terms aside (as I know nothing about them), is there such an application?
[12:43] <Daisuke_Ido> xst: where can i get one of these?  my never-ending obsession with curtain-scrolling shooters demands i purchase one.
[12:43] <j_> read the man and everything, no luck
[12:44] <matze> !ntfs-3g
[12:44] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:44] <xst> Daisuke_Ido: Most newer monitors can rotate in this way. Look at dell.com for instance
[12:44] <Alumin_> gabrieldain: anything that uses libdvdcss can decode DVD content
[12:44] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough
[12:44] <gabrieldain> Alumin_, alright, il look into it, thanks
[12:44] <j_> Ive never understood why man pages never hav example commands
[12:44] <j_> *have
[12:44] <Alumin_> j_: tune2fs does :)
[12:45] <Tido> what's the best way to install the eclipse IDE?  just downloading it off the website gives you a version that crashes :(
[12:45] <Alumin_> you're looking for -j I believe
[12:45] <gabrieldain> j_, tune2fs -j /dev/hda1 will create a journal in the first partition of hard drive A
[12:45] <Alumin_> Tido: geez you want it to RUN too?
[12:45] <Tido> lol
[12:45] <Alumin_> bloody users
[12:45] <Tido> hey it come close
[12:45] <Tido> right up to the point you load a file
[12:45] <Alumin_> next you'll want to edit text with it
[12:45] <Tido> then it goes to hell
[12:46] <j_> gabrieldain: thanks, I was confused about what was the format of the device parameter
[12:46] <j_> tried just hda1 but that didn't cut it
[12:46] <gabrieldain> j_, whats the error message?
[12:47] <j_> tune2fs: Permission denied while trying to open /dev/hda1
[12:47] <j_> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[12:47] <Alumin_> Tido: can I assume by your presence in this channel that you're using Kubuntu?
[12:47] <j_> should have used sudo?
[12:47] <Tido> that's correct, Alumin_
[12:47] <gabrieldain> j_, did you run the command as root?
[12:47] <Alumin_> Tido: tried the packages?
[12:47] <gabrieldain> sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda1
[12:47] <j_> The filesystem already has a journal.
[12:47] <Tido> I did, but I'm wondering if I got the wrong ones
[12:47] <j_> now all I need to do is mount it
[12:48] <Tido> because eclipse, eclipse-platform, etc
[12:48] <Tido> they install
[12:48] <gabrieldain> j_, then its ext3, and you dont have to worry about tune2fs anymore.
[12:48] <Alumin_> Tido: I mean the packages in the Kubuntu repositories
[12:48] <Tido> but I really don't get anything :(
[12:48] <Tido> let me see if I have those in my sources
[12:48] <dope> is there a gtalk client for linux?
[12:48] <Alumin_> Tido: universe
[12:49] <Alumin_> dope: like Gaim? :)
[12:49] <dope> like can you call on it
[12:49] <Alumin_> dope: if by "gtalk" you mean "Google Talk", any Jabber client will work
[12:49] <Alumin_> oh
[12:49] <Tido> yeah the universe repos are enabled
[12:49] <Alumin_> with voice support I dunno
[12:50] <dope> and skype won't let you call regular phones for free anymore
[12:50] <dope> that's lame
[12:50] <Alumin_> Tido: what do you get for "apt-cache search eclipse"?
[12:50] <Karol84PL> Hello, where can I find KDE Control Center in Kubuntu Dapper Drake?
[12:50] <Tido> a lot
[12:50] <Alumin_> dope: that was never gonna last forever, costs money to do that :)
[12:50] <Tido> we have all sorts of flavors
[12:50] <matze> hello. how can i activate the num-block at boot?
[12:51] <j_> err, now what? control center won't allow me to "Enable" hda1, which I suspect is the same as mounting
[12:51] <Jucato> matze: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> anyone have an opinion on the idea of lin/freespire's click-n-run going multi-distro?
[12:52] <matze> Jucato: thanks a lot
[12:52] <Jucato> matze: but that will only activate numlock after logging into KDE. so it will still be off before you login
[12:52] <Alumin_> Daisuke_Ido: I'm a fan of anything going multi-distro
[12:52] <Jucato> !offtopic
[12:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> apologies
[12:52] <matze> jucato: this is no problem. i only need it after login. ;)
[12:53] <Jucato> matze: ok, that should work then
[12:53] <j_> sudo mount -a gives: "mount: special device dev/hda1 does not exist"
[12:53] <matze> uhm. i use ubuntu
[12:54] <Jucato> matze: huh?
[12:54] <j_> should I boot?
[12:55] <Jucato> j_: it's /dev/hda1 not dev/hda1
[12:55] <j_> hah, and I even double-checked the line myswlf
[12:56] <j_> thanks
[12:56] <j_> beautiful, I have a working empty ext3 partition
[12:57] <j_> thanks everyone
[12:57] <dope> someone skype me
[12:58] <Jucato> lol
[12:59] <dope> i want YOU to want to skype ME
[12:59] <matze> rofl?
[01:00] <dope> what are some good programs i can download
[01:01] <j_> dope, for what?
[01:01] <dope> kubuntu
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> what would you like them to do?
[01:02] <Jucato> Kubuntu has over 20,000 packages... I'm sure you can find something interesting in there
[01:02] <dope> i dunno
[01:02] <dope> what are some important programs to have
[01:02] <pgdown> ...
[01:02] <Jucato> ...
[01:02] <dope> ...
[01:02] <Jucato> important programs? depends on you
[01:02] <j_> dope, your being a bit vague here
[01:02] <Tido> Alumin_: here's what happens when I open a file in Eclipse -> http://pastecode.com/12360
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i'm rather fond of amarok myself, but i think that's part of a default kubuntu install
[01:03] <j_> Kubuntu comes with all the essential programs
[01:03] <dope> yea i got that
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> without knowing what you want to do, it's hard to recommend anything
[01:03] <j_> the only real application I have installed is Xara extreme for vector image editing
[01:04] <j_> or Xtreme it seems
[01:04] <Alumin_> dope: perhaps gimp if you're into the whole graphics thing
[01:04] <Alumin_> or blender
[01:04] <dope> yea already got gimp
[01:04] <Alumin_> maybe MythTV if you're looking for a project
[01:04] <pgdown> zsnes for roms
[01:04] <j_> oh yeah, The ur-quan masters
[01:04] <pgdown> nvu for web designing
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> j_: what about inkscape?
[01:05] <BluesKaj> yup , Mythtv ix a 'project" alright ... good luck :)
[01:05] <pgdown> ktorrent beta for torrents
[01:05] <j_> Daisuke_Ido: haven't tried that one yet
[01:05] <Jucato> ktorrent is installed by default
[01:05] <Jucato> (there is no beta)
[01:05] <pgdown> the beta that is out is better
[01:05] <pgdown> yes
[01:06] <Alumin_> basket is neat if you do the whole clipboard stack thing
[01:06] <Alumin_> or knotes
[01:06] <Alumin_> or zim
[01:06] <Theory> basket is very neat
[01:06] <pgdown> http://ktorrent.org/index.php?page=downloads
[01:06] <j_> frankly, I generally use Freehand on windows for my vector graphics needs
[01:06] <Jucato> ah that beta
[01:06] <j_> used to it
[01:06] <matt0507> what is the console command to mount my ntfs partition? usually it auto mounts in /media/sda2 but not when i click on that folder its empty.
[01:06] <Alumin_> there's always UT2004 :)
[01:06] <pgdown> oink accepts the beta, but not the current release
[01:07] <Alumin_> matt0507: mount /media/sda2
[01:07] <matt0507> ty
[01:07] <Alumin_> oink?
[01:08] <pgdown> !oink
[01:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <Alumin_> never mind.
[01:08] <pgdown> heh
[01:08] <pgdown> private tracker
[01:08] <pgdown> for music
[01:09] <moparisthebest> can someone help me with an nvidia problem? when I boot up my desktop appears to be running with 256-bit color, then I hit ctrl-alt-backspace and it goes back to normal
[01:09] <moparisthebest> I dont know what the problem is :/
[01:10] <j_> moparisthebest: do you use the nividia proprietary drivers?
[01:10] <Alumin_> moparisthebest: you need to re-order the display stanzas in your X.org conf
[01:10] <moparisthebest> yes j_
[01:10] <Alumin_> it's doing the 256-color one first
[01:11] <moparisthebest> ok Alumin_ Im opening the file now
[01:11] <dwidmann> moparis, I've experienced that problem once, try disabling usplash and see if that makes a difference
[01:12] <Alumin_> oh wait you said ctrl-alt-backspace
[01:12] <moparisthebest> yea
[01:12] <Alumin_> moparisthebest: sorry, I'm barking up the wrong tree, for some reason when I read that I saw "ctrl-alt-minus"
[01:12] <moparisthebest> disabling the nvidia splash screen dwidmann ?
[01:13] <Alumin_> my idea's not going to help you
[01:13] <moparisthebest> ok
[01:13] <matt0507> !ntfxfinx
[01:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfxfinx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <dwidmann> No, disabling usplash (the splash screen that you get during the boot process, that shows the kubuntu logo and a progress bar)
[01:13] <matt0507> !ntfxfix
[01:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfxfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <matt0507> i have to run 'ntfxfix' before able to mount my other partition? how do i run it?
[01:14] <red22> how do i  know what version of kubuntu i'm running pls?
[01:14] <moparisthebest> ntfsfix probably matt0507
[01:15] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: to do so, when you're at the grub boot menu, press 'e' for edit on the default option, go t he second line, which should start with kernel, and press 'e' again, towards the end of the line, you'll see the word splash, remove it, then press enter to return, and then press 'b' to boot and see if it worked for you
[01:15] <matt0507> moparisthebest:  typing in 'ntfxfix' and pressing enter does not work for me.
[01:15] <moparisthebest> matt0507, ntfsfix
[01:15] <moparisthebest> not ntfxfix
[01:15] <moparisthebest> s not x
[01:15] <red22> dmesg says Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5 but i'm not sure if this is what i'm looking for.. which release is this please?
[01:15] <moparisthebest> ok dwidmann Ill try that, thanks
[01:15] <matt0507> ye command not found :p ntfsfix
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfsfix
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfsfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <moparisthebest> oh, cause you kept saying ntfxfix :P
[01:16] <dwidmann> moparisthebest, that's not permanent, it's only temporary, a good option to see if it works though
[01:16] <moparisthebest> yep, Ill check it out now
[01:16] <xymox18> hello world
[01:17] <red22> <- super noob, has super easy question.. how do i know which kubuntu i'm running pls?
[01:17] <xymox18> any one speak spanish????
[01:17] <dwidmann> red22: lsb_release -a
[01:17] <red22> i do, i don't speak much linux though ;)
[01:17] <xymox18> jajajaja
[01:17] <dwidmann> I speak a mixture of bash and english :O
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i speak a mixture of lobjan and esperanto
[01:18] <gabrieldain> xymox18, si, qu necesitas? hay un canal para espaol, creo. Sino, por privado
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !es
[01:18] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:18] <gabrieldain> Yeah, basically what I said :P
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe
[01:19] <red22> dwidmann: TY :) wow that's a weird command to just know off the top of your head.. jotting down...
[01:19] <moparisthebest> haha you know that fixed it dwidmann ? :)
[01:19] <moparisthebest> I would have never thought of that, where did you learn that from?
[01:19] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: I ran into that before once myself
[01:20] <dwidmann> moparisthebest, one sec, I'll grab the permanent fix for you
[01:20] <moparisthebest> that is a very strange bug, thanks a lot
[01:22] <dwidmann> moparisthebest, just a minute til vmware finishes this install and reboots, then I'll grab the fix for you
[01:22] <moparisthebest> ok dwidmann thank you
[01:22] <red22> a few months ago kubuntu wasn't playing nice with my ati x1950pro... anyone know if it should work now?  (before i waste another few days trying pls)
[01:27] <red22> hm.. looks promising... i'm gonna try the new "automated" installer on the ati stie posted a couple weeks ago and see how that goes...
[01:27] <dwidmann> moparisthebest left? dratted
[01:27] <red22> i'll believe "automated' when i see it though
[01:29] <andre_> hey guys
[01:30] <red22> yo
[01:30] <moparisthebest> im back dwidmann, had to restart
[01:30] <andre_> You guys probably get lots of questions here...
[01:31] <andre_> and I have one too... you guys mind if I ask away?
[01:31] <red22> my goodness brother just get it out :)
[01:32] <andre_> Aiight I have an A8N-SLI premium mobo
[01:32] <BluesKaj> anyone using the ktorrent 2.1 beta ?
[01:32] <andre_> and I downloaded the ALC850 drivers provided by ASUS
[01:32] <andre_> only problem is I can't compile them to install them
[01:33] <dwidmann> andre: with that board, sound should work out of the box
[01:33] <Alumin_> "apt-get install build-essential" ?
[01:33] <dwidmann> Trust me, that's the same board I have
[01:33] <Alumin_> but yeah, I'd make sure you have to build first
[01:33] <andre_> dwidmann
[01:33] <andre_> it did work out of the box
[01:33] <andre_> but not 5.1 surround
[01:34] <andre_> so in an effort ot get 5.1 I tried to build and now my sound is completely F'ed
[01:34] <andre_> kmix doesn't recognise a mixer
[01:34] <dwidmann> andre_: 5.1 surround is a pain in the butt to get working in general, but if sound is working, what you need to look at is your alsa configuration and mixer settings
[01:34] <adamwest> guys i need help D:
[01:34] <andre_> dwidmann :(
[01:34] <dwidmann> I've got 4 channel surround sound working at the moment :)
[01:34] <crimsun> andre_: don't use those drivers; use what we distribute
[01:34] <andre_> build-essential is installllled
[01:35] <dwidmann> andre, you can only get real 5 channel surround whne you'
[01:35] <dwidmann> re playing a file that uses 5.1 sound
[01:35] <andre_> k
[01:35] <adamwest> my kde theme took over gnome and now it looks buggy and i can't change themes, and the theme window keeps crashing :( (in gnome)
[01:36] <dwidmann> If you're playing a regular stereo or mono sound file, you'll only get output from the front two speakers, unless you use duplicate front
[01:36] <andre_> first I should get my sound to work at all
[01:36] <andre_> Dwidmann: dman it!
[01:36] <andre_> dwidmann: I wish I knew that before I f'ed up everything
[01:36] <dwidmann> huh?
[01:36] <dwidmann> oops?
[01:37] <andre_> ok let me start over
[01:37] <andre_> sorry If we're confused
[01:37] <andre_> Dwidmann:  thanks for the tip about 5.1 only working with 5.1 sound media
[01:38] <andre_> at the moment I have no sound at all
[01:38] <andre_> because I tried to install the ALC850 stuff, since then, no sound
[01:38] <crimsun> that's easily resolved. Reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) after removing /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/sound/
[01:39] <crimsun> sorry, /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/
[01:39] <andre_> crimsun:  sec
[01:40] <dwidmann> andre,  no problem :)
[01:40] <andre_> crimsun:  I'm a little confused...  sorry still getting the hang of linux
[01:41] <andre_> those are commands right?
[01:42] <Alumin_> crimsun: I envy the depth of knowledge you must have to be able to nonchalantly suggest a solution like that :)
[01:42] <crimsun> andre_: yes:  rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/  && sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r)
[01:42] <dwidmann> andre_: first rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`/sound
[01:42] <dwidmann> ah, yes, that
[01:42] <dwidmann> there you go
[01:44] <dwidmann> Alumin, if my limitted memory serves me correctly, crimsun is some sort of linux sound mega-genius (flattery intended)
[01:44] <andre_> thanks...  should I reboot after this?
[01:45] <crimsun> andre_: that would probably be easiest.
[01:45] <andre_> aiight I'll be back shortly
[01:49] <dwidmann> moparisthebest, are you here?
[01:49] <moparisthebest> yes dwidmann
[01:49] <dwidmann> alrighty then
[01:49] <dwidmann> I guess I missed that, sorry :\
[01:50] <moparisthebest> its ok
[01:51] <andre_> back with working sound
[01:51] <andre_> MY god...
[01:51] <andre_> I can't believe how easy for you that was crimson
[01:51] <andre_> it would've taken me forever by browsing forums
[01:53] <andre_> I guess you've probably already left.  I just want to extend my thanks and appreciation.
[01:54] <andre_> to all who work on ubuntu, GREAT JOB!!!  I haven't need to go back to windows in 3 weeks.  And no longer plan to get Vista
[01:54] <moparisthebest> its great isn't it? :)
[01:54] <andre_> I'm happy!!
[01:54] <andre_> yes it is!
[01:55] <andre_> well guys I'm must go for now and tend to the family.  You'll probably see my face here everyonce in a while looking for answers :)
[01:55] <andre_> cheers
[01:55] <BluesKaj> another happy (k)ubuntu customer :)
[01:56] <Tido> :)
[01:56] <moparisthebest> yup
[01:56] <Peruna> just wonder if Kubuntu support filename.partX.rar files ?
[01:56] <Peruna> X stands for 1,2,3,4...
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> Peruna: it's not kubuntu that supports it
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> it's unrar
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and yes
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> it does
[01:56] <BluesKaj> haven't used windows in 5 days, that's a record for me :)
[01:56] <Peruna> ok
[01:56] <Tido> when is the next release of (k)ubuntu due?
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> april
[01:57] <dwidmann> moparisthebest, first, open up the grub menu.lst file (kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst), then look for a line that starts with "#defoptions", on that line, remove the word splash, and save. Then run "sudo update-grub" and you should be golden
[01:58] <Tido> when it comes to development, I love using kubuntu and never need to touch windows
[01:58] <Tido> I miss WinSCP a little, but Konqueror is able to get it done
[01:59] <moparisthebest> I like konqueror way better than WinSCP
[01:59] <moparisthebest> ok dwidmann, done, Im restarting to check it out
[01:59] <Tido> and I do sometimes pray for a Photoshop that runs natively on linux
[02:00] <Tido> KDE has something that irritates me sometimes
[02:01] <Tido> I'll open a program by accident, and then close it quickly
[02:01] <Tido> but KDE still thinks I'm opening it
[02:01] <sampan> gimp is fine except for one problem: it doesn't handle 16 bit color depth, which means it's a no-go for serious b/w work
[02:01] <Tido> so I get the mouse icon, and the taskbar item for awhile, but for no reason
[02:01] <sampan> if they added 16 bit color depth and (ideally) adjustment layers to gimp i'd be a happy camper and wouldn't need PS
[02:01] <Tido> and once in awhile Firefox just crashes for no reason
[02:02] <Tido> I need better CMYK support
[02:02] <sampan> :/
[02:04] <Peruna> seems like Ark with unrar doesn't support password protected .rar
[02:05] <moparisthebest> yep it worked dwidmann, thanks again
[02:05] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: You're welcome
[02:05] <dwidmann> !info python-support
[02:05] <ubotu> python-support: automated rebuilding support for python modules. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 196 kB
[02:06] <mustang_> Does anyone know why pon would stop connecting on an edgy eft system?  The only way to get it to connect is a reboot.  It will connect fine and then after poff and some idle time, it will not allow reconnect with pon
[02:07] <mustang_> I get this in the logs pppd[6437] 	Connect script failed
[02:09] <NotSure> my system will no longer start KDE
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> Peruna: you can use the commandline version
[02:10] <NotSure> any faq pages for this?
[02:10] <mustang_> NotSure, can you be a little more specific?
[02:10] <Peruna> what command could it be ?
[02:11] <mustang_> is it a black screen, or does it goto shell logon
[02:11] <NotSure> well... when i start up now it will only go to failsafe terminal mode
[02:11] <mustang_> let me check something
[02:11] <NotSure> i get the gnome login screen... not to kubuntu one
[02:11] <mustang_> what verion of Linux is it
[02:11] <NotSure> edgy
[02:11] <NotSure> kubuntu
[02:11] <mustang_> thats what Im running
[02:11] <NotSure> upgraded from dapper
[02:11] <mustang_> you don't want Gnome?  You do want KDE?
[02:12] <NotSure> ever since the upgrade... what a mess
[02:12] <NotSure> right
[02:12] <mustang_> Yea, Ive heard horror stories myself
[02:12] <mustang_> I did a fresh install
[02:12] <NotSure> i've reinstalled every kubuntu-desktop package
[02:12] <NotSure> still no workie :-(
[02:12] <mustang_> one second, and I will get you some information
[02:12] <NotSure> thanks
[02:12] <mustang_> np
[02:12] <NotSure> i can't even move these windows around... this must be a default/bad window manager
[02:13] <mustang_> its probabally a xdmcp session your in of some sort
[02:13] <mustang_> that will happen
[02:13] <NotSure> all my programs seem to run... xchat and firefox, etc...
[02:13] <Tido> what's your favorite KDE theme?
[02:14] <NotSure> the default one
[02:14] <mustang_> Just the default one
[02:14] <mustang_> lol
[02:14] <mustang_> Ok, try this
[02:14] <mustang_> write this down so you don't forget
[02:15] <mustang_> goto shell
[02:15] <NotSure> okay
[02:15] <mustang_> $sudo apt-get purge gnome
[02:15] <mustang_> that will uninstall it and remove it from your local repository
[02:15] <mustang_> get rid of it period
[02:15] <mustang_> then after the purge
[02:15] <mustang_> try
[02:15] <mustang_> $sudo apt-get install kde
[02:15] <mustang_> what your missing is the kde_desktop module
[02:16] <mustang_> I think thats the right one
[02:16] <mustang_> that same thing happened to me once
[02:16] <NotSure> okie dokie... brb
[02:16] <mustang_> okie
[02:17] <NotSure> says E: Invalid operation purge
[02:17] <mustang_> umm, let me see from my shell
[02:17] <mustang_> what kinda network connection are you on for speed
[02:18] <mustang_> just to make sure this won't take you a week
[02:18] <NotSure> 5Mb
[02:18] <mustang_> okie
[02:18] <mustang_> good
[02:18] <mustang_> do a
[02:18] <mustang_> $sudo apt-get remove gnome
[02:18] <mustang_> that will uninstall it
[02:18] <NotSure> okay
[02:19] <NotSure> i'm still here and the remove is done :-)
[02:19] <NotSure> now for the install
[02:19] <mustang_> 1 more step
[02:19] <mustang_> do a $sudo apt-get check
[02:20] <NotSure> k
[02:20] <mustang_> that will check for broken dependancies
[02:20] <NotSure> no problems reported
[02:20] <mustang_> ok
[02:20] <mustang_> now do the $sudo apt-get install kde
[02:20] <mustang_> if that don't work, try kdm instead
[02:21] <NotSure> says i'm already at the newest KDE
[02:21] <mustang_> ok, lets try
[02:21] <NotSure> same, newest KDM
[02:21] <mustang_> $ sudo apt-get reinstall kde
[02:21] <NotSure> you mean sudo apt-get --reinstall install kde?
[02:22] <mustang_> let me look
[02:22] <mustang_> well, try it both ways
[02:22] <mustang_> let me know which one works
[02:22] <NotSure> your way didn't work :-)
[02:22] <mustang_> lol
[02:22] <mustang_> too much linux on the brain
[02:23] <mustang_> did the other way work?
[02:23] <NotSure> i even forced the reinstall of the entire kubuntu-desktop earlier... including every depends
[02:23] <NotSure> yes but i'm still stuck here
[02:23] <NotSure> :-)
[02:23] <NotSure> restart X?
[02:23] <mustang_> what command will you use?
[02:23] <NotSure> ctrl-alt backspace
[02:24] <mustang_> I don't think that will work, but lets try
[02:24] <NotSure> okay... brb
[02:24] <mustang_> I don't think it will work from a shell
[02:24] <NotSure> nope
[02:24] <NotSure> same same
[02:24] <osiris> apt issues.  if someone would look.  http://rafb.net/p/vIDiFU57.nln.html
[02:25] <mustang_> what are you looking at now?
[02:25] <NotSure> same
[02:25] <mustang_> black shell screen?
[02:25] <NotSure> terminal and i manually started xchat
[02:25] <mustang_> ok, try startkde
[02:25] <NotSure> woot! blue screen
[02:25] <NotSure> KPersonalizer came up
[02:25] <mustang_> now make sure your windows work normally
[02:26] <NotSure> lemme answer it's questions
[02:26] <mustang_> can you move around the windows?
[02:26] <NotSure> yes
[02:26] <mustang_> sweet
[02:26] <NotSure> but the bar at the bottom isn't there yet
[02:26] <mustang_> hummm
[02:26] <osiris> kicker
[02:26] <mustang_> if you restart your system, can you make it back here to chat?
[02:26] <NotSure> there we go!!
[02:26] <NotSure> yowsa
[02:27] <NotSure> u rock mustang_
[02:27] <NotSure> i don't know... should i reboot?
[02:27] <mustang_> would you believe im a total noob at linux
[02:27] <NotSure> damn smrt noob
[02:27] <mustang_> yes, reboot.  If you can't get to the logon kde screen....then do an xchat and get back in here
[02:27] <osiris> we are all n00bs in one area or another
[02:27] <mustang_> I will be waiting on you
[02:27] <NotSure> thanks man!!
[02:27] <NotSure> brb
[02:27] <mustang_> Yea, but Ive only been working with linux 2 mths
[02:28] <mustang_> lol
[02:28] <mustang_> im a windows person for 20 yrs
[02:28] <mustang_> ok Ill be here
[02:28] <NotSure> hmm
[02:28] <NotSure> the reboot isn't rebooting
[02:28] <NotSure> it killed the window manager
[02:28] <mustang_> ok, do a shell
[02:28] <mustang_> then type, sudo shutdown -r now
[02:28] <osiris> no
[02:28] <osiris> sudo reboot
[02:29] <mustang_> or sudo reboot
[02:29] <osiris> or sudo poweroff
[02:29] <osiris> easier to remember
[02:29] <mustang_> poweroff will kill it
[02:29] <mustang_> not reboot it
[02:29] <extravaker> hi
[02:29] <crxyem> so, let's say I'd like to do a fresh install of edgy 6.10, am I correct to assume I can do a install and not touch the /home dir and I won't loose any of my settings ?? for firefox, etc...
[02:29] <mustang_> I have figured out a 3 letter command that works every time
[02:29] <mustang_> man
[02:30] <osiris> crxyem, as long as /home is a seperate partition
[02:30] <mustang_> osiris?  wanna take that one
[02:30] <mustang_> sweet
[02:30] <osiris> and you don't format it during install
[02:30] <BluesKaj> crxyem, what do yeah define as a "fresh install" ?
[02:31] <osiris> give it the same mount point
[02:31] <sampan> crxyem  that's right, though i chose a different username (it left my old username home directory and then i copied over bookmarks etc. as sneeded)
[02:31] <crxyem> a fresh install, I have 3 partitions. one is /, swap, /home
[02:31] <sampan> if you choose the same username it may overwrite the home dir, not sure
[02:32] <mustang_> if you try to doa fresh install of 6.10 in the same place as it was before and your home dir is on the mount point for your partition where linux was, you will write over your home dir...  the best way is to backup your home dir to another drive and reinstall everything, then copy back over your home location
[02:32] <NotSure> nope
[02:32] <NotSure> had to startkde myself
[02:32] <mustang_> hummm
[02:32] <NotSure> closer than before though :-)
[02:32] <mustang_> let me think
[02:33] <NotSure> i'm guessing kdm is pooched somehow
[02:33] <crxyem> '/home is on it's own partition
[02:33] <mustang_> did you also do an apt-get --reinstall install kdm before the reboot
[02:33] <mustang_> ?
[02:33] <NotSure> no sir
[02:33] <mustang_> try that one
[02:34] <mustang_> if /home is on another partition that the linux partition, then you will not overwrite the hoem directory
[02:34] <crxyem> example, /home is /dev/sda3, / is /dev/sda1
[02:34] <mustang_> home that it
[02:34] <mustang_> shoot, me and my keyboard are fighting
[02:35] <crxyem> in the long run it doesn't matter as I'm using my laptop as a thin client really, all my personal data is stored on my home server
[02:36] <crxyem> but it sounds like I should be able to wipe / and reinstall , and /home should be fine
[02:37] <mustang_> right
[02:38] <osiris> yes
[02:38] <osiris> if its a different partition, and you dont format it duringre-install you will be fine
[02:38] <NotSure> same result :-(
[02:38] <mustang_> what you may want to do after the install is go into your system settings and set your home directory back to the location /dev/sda3/home/username
[02:38] <ifti> does anyone know how to use the enlightenment windo system
[02:38] <mustang_> ok, not out of solutions yet
[02:38] <crxyem> sweet,
[02:39] <osiris> ifti, what is the question
[02:39] <mustang_> try $sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <extravaker> hi all
[02:39] <NotSure> i've done that mustang_ , and i've reinstalled all it's dependencies
[02:39] <extravaker> somebody use the KFTPGrabber?
[02:39] <mustang_> im thinking
[02:40] <NotSure> let me try just in case
[02:40] <NotSure> nope, newest
[02:40] <osiris> extravaker, i have it.  dont really use it
[02:40] <osiris> but i have it
[02:40] <extravaker> i cant connect with KFTP
[02:41] <osiris> o yeah.  i couldnt figure out that app in 5 minutes, so i ditched it
[02:41] <crxyem> mustang are you saying I'll need to change a line in fstab to point to the home directory ??
[02:41] <mustang_> no
[02:41] <mustang_> fstab is mount points
[02:42] <mustang_> your running what vs of linux
[02:42] <crxyem> kubuntu
[02:42] <osiris> crxyem, you should be able to do it just fine from the installer
[02:42] <osiris> i have done what you are attempting several times, without issue
[02:42] <crxyem> that's what I thougth as well osiris
[02:43] <osiris> you may have to rm some ~/.files if you have issues with some apps
[02:43] <crxyem> only reason I need to is I did an updrage from dapper to edgy and I don't everything went 100% correct
[02:43] <mustang_> you will goto K, system settings/user management/ and then switch to admin mode
[02:43] <mustang_> then user accounts
[02:43] <osiris> but other than that, most will stay intact
[02:43] <mustang_> in there you will change your home location
[02:43] <mustang_> ok back to Notsure
[02:43] <NotSure> :-)
[02:44] <osiris> are you guys just trying to get kdm on boot ?
[02:44] <crxyem> ah I see mustang, forgot about that system setting
[02:44] <NotSure> that would be a good start osiris
[02:44] <mustang_> yes, hes landing at the shell on boot.. He had a full upgrade from dapper and now hes at the logon shell
[02:44] <osiris> did you check services for your run level in the system settings menu ?
[02:45] <NotSure> no, i'm landing at the gnome login at boot but no window manager starts once i login
[02:45] <osiris> is kdm located in /etc/init.d ?
[02:45] <mustang_> do you still have gnome?
[02:45] <NotSure> i removed it like you said
[02:45] <mustang_> ok
[02:45] <NotSure> but it still fires up...
[02:45] <mustang_> what?
[02:45] <NotSure> that brownish screen
[02:45] <mustang_> yuck
[02:45] <NotSure> well, it looks like gdm
[02:46] <NotSure> osiris, yes... it's there
[02:46] <mustang_> hes reinstalled kde, kdm, and checked for broken dependancies
[02:46] <mustang_> try sudo apt-get --fix-broken  it might work
[02:46] <NotSure> yup, done that :-)
[02:46] <mustang_> this same thing happened to me before
[02:46] <mustang_> it was a disaster
[02:46] <osiris> go into the services list for your run level
[02:46] <osiris> stop gdm
[02:47] <NotSure> it is a disaster... i would prefer not having to reinstall
[02:47] <osiris> and enable kdm at boot
[02:47] <NotSure> okay, lemme lookie there
[02:47] <NotSure> hmm, i don't see those in the service manager
[02:48] <mustang_> doesn't it sound like its not a complete install of kdm
[02:48] <NotSure> yeah
[02:48] <osiris> ok, well here is how to strip kdm period
[02:48] <osiris> http://linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=556.0
[02:48] <osiris> follow the idea backwards
[02:48] <NotSure> hmmmm
[02:48] <mustang_> im looking too
[02:48] <dawn> !nividia
[02:48] <NotSure> says both gdm and kdm running
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <dawn> !nvidia
[02:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:49] <ifti> does anyone know how to use enlightenment window manager
[02:49] <mustang_> in your sytem services?
[02:49] <NotSure> yes
[02:49] <NotSure> i'm gonna kill it
[02:49] <mustang_> ok, one sec
[02:49] <NotSure> yes?
[02:49] <mustang_> if your going to kill it, make sure it don't start next time
[02:49] <NotSure> yeah
[02:49] <NotSure> will do
[02:49] <mustang_> is there an administrator button anywhere
[02:50] <NotSure> yup
[02:50] <mustang_> go in there and set it to NO
[02:50] <mustang_> lol
[02:50] <osiris> uh
[02:50] <osiris> guess he should have irssi in a terminal before    he killed X
[02:50] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:51] <mustang_> osiris, it is possible that kdm and gdm may be fighting
[02:51] <mustang_> both were running in system svcds
[02:51] <mustang_> svcs
[02:51] <osiris> mustang_, possible
[02:51] <osiris> not that it would really matter
[02:51] <mustang_> how so
[02:51] <osiris> idk.  i just dont get the whole booting to gui thing i guess
[02:51] <osiris> i want to bootto a terminal
[02:52] <osiris> i might have things to do before i need a gui
[02:52] <mustang_> i kinda like having a gui in some ways, but Im leaning alot towards term too
[02:52] <osiris> i need someone to help with my APT issue so i can go about installing E17 again
[02:53] <mustang_> whats wrong with apt
[02:53] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/vIDiFU57.nln.html
[02:54] <BluesKaj> the cli works for installations and I'm trying to do the cli with video recently -tovid and it's working weel so far
[02:54] <BluesKaj> well
[02:56] <mustang_> you have universe/multiverse enabled in your sources.list
[02:56] <osiris> yes
[02:56] <mustang_> let me see if I can find those on my side
[02:56] <BluesKaj> is apt stuck ?
[02:57] <mustang_> no, its looking for dependancies that it can;'t find it looks likew
[02:57] <osiris> no, its not stuck
[02:57] <osiris> just throwing those errors
[02:58] <shinigami> hi anyoneearthquake again.. knows why after upgrading from dapper to edgy, my laptop doesn't go into the kde when i  switched on..instead it goes into the tty1 log in..when i press ctrl alt f7, then the kde loads up?
[02:58] <mustang_> do a apt-get install for kdelibs4-dev
[02:58] <mustang_> see what that does
[02:58] <shinigami> who me?
[02:58] <mustang_> no osiris
[02:58] <shinigami> hi anyone knows why after upgrading from dapper to edgy, my laptop doesn't go into the kde when i  switched on..instead it goes into the tty1 log in..when i press ctrl alt f7, then the kde loads up?
[02:59] <mustang_> do the same for libtag1c2a
[02:59] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/z31Uzw46.nln.html
[02:59] <osiris> no go
[03:00] <mustang_> thats starting to remind me of the skypemate installer
[03:00] <BluesKaj> shinigami, are getting a xserver error ?
[03:00] <NotWired> hiya mustang_, it's me... NotSure
[03:01] <NotWired> one step forward, two back :-)
[03:01] <mustang_> what about installing one dev at a time
[03:02] <NotWired> well, kdm comes up
[03:02] <NotWired> but when i login it just brings me back to the kdm screen
[03:02] <NotWired> can't even failsafe from that machine
[03:02] <NotWired> so i can to come to my laptop
[03:02] <shinigami> BluesKaj: how i see that?
[03:02] <NotWired> *had to
[03:02] <mustang_> not sure? is that you
[03:02] <NotWired> yessir :-)
[03:02] <mustang_> okie
[03:02] <NotWired> other machine is really pooched :-)
[03:02] <narg> Does anyone know if there are plans to package kdevelop3.4 for edgy?
[03:03] <mustang_> the revolving login screen, I also experienced
[03:03] <mustang_> let me check that
[03:03] <NotWired> woot!
[03:03] <NotWired> i can't even failsafe
[03:03] <NotWired> thank god you are here
[03:03] <anton> I want to mount my NTFS drive in kubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2707/
[03:03] <anton> that's the error I get
[03:03] <anton> What am I doing wrong?
[03:04] <anton> It's a NTFS drive I want to mount
[03:04] <osiris> did you try without the -t option ?
[03:04] <anton> yes: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/ntfs/
[03:04] <anton> didn't work
[03:05] <osiris> no without the -t ntfs part
[03:05] <anton> oh
[03:05] <osiris> i said nothing about sudo
[03:05] <anton> will try
[03:05] <anton> I thought I had to use Sudo, when mounting a drive
[03:05] <osiris> you do
[03:05] <osiris> but that in no way answered what i typed
[03:06] <shinigami> nothing much i can find in the messages
[03:06] <shinigami> except this
[03:06] <xnp> so guyes
[03:06] <shinigami> Jan 24 09:49:34 localhost kernel: [17179571.640000]  PCI: Bus #03 (-#06) is hidden behind transparent bridge #02 (-#02) (try 'pci=assign-busses')
[03:06] <shinigami> Jan 24 09:49:34 localhost kernel: [17179571.640000]  Please report the result to linux-kernel to fix this permanently
[03:06] <anton> I used "-t" as i said. ?
[03:06] <mustang_> well shucks
[03:06] <anton> It tells me i have to tell it what filesystem to mount
[03:06] <NotWired> is the shucks good or bad mustang_? :)
[03:07] <crxyem> what's the benefit of using the dvd vs cd source for installing kubuntu ?? other than the obvious that the dvd is 3.9gb
[03:07] <mustang_> osmis, I ran across the same problem as NotWired with the KDM Desktop Logon problem  He can logon but immeditally it will come back..  It will not allow him logon to KDE
[03:07] <mustang_> I can't remember what I did to fix that one
[03:07] <mustang_> lol, If I could remember it would be good
[03:07] <NotWired> none of the login options work... they all bring me back to the login screen
[03:07] <NotWired> lol
[03:07] <mustang_> i know
[03:08] <mustang_> same dang prob I had
[03:08] <mustang_> its irritating
[03:08] <NotWired> the upgrade was irritating, this is fine
[03:08] <osiris> anton add something like this to fstab
[03:08] <NotWired> i'm learning so it's all good
[03:08] <osiris> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[03:09] <mustang_> i know if you do ctrl/alt/F1 it will take you to shell where you can do startkde and get in
[03:09] <mustang_> I would almost bet on it
[03:09] <anton> osiris: thanks i'll try that
[03:09] <NotWired> no, startkde won't bring up X
[03:09] <mustang_> what about startx
[03:09] <NotWired> nope... i need to be root to run that
[03:09] <shadowhywind> Is anyone around that could help me with my vpn. I have my server and client connect. But i am trying to use the internet on the server side to surf with on the client side. any ideas?
[03:09] <osiris> anton, it might be easier to copy an entry in fssab, and just make the neccessary changes
[03:09] <mustang_> what about startkdm
[03:10] <NotWired> i can sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:10] <NotWired> let me try startkdm
[03:10] <mustang_> ok
[03:10] <NotWired> no such command
[03:10] <mustang_> hmmm
[03:10] <Jucato> startkde
[03:10] <anton> osiris: And what does that mean? :)
[03:11] <osiris> adjust the mount points and drive designations as necessary
[03:11] <osiris> my example used hda1
[03:11] <NotWired> startkde says it can't contact kdeinit
[03:11] <anton> ok, I'll look for fstab
[03:12] <osiris> anton, its in /etc
[03:12] <mustang_> that sounds like an entry in init.d is missing for kde
[03:12] <mustang_> let me find my init.d file
[03:13] <NotWired> init.d is a folder
[03:13] <osiris> no, it sounds like his startup script is wrong
[03:13] <osiris> check /etc/inittab
[03:13] <NotWired> okay
[03:13] <NotWired> for what?
[03:13] <mustang_> right
[03:13] <osiris> hell, try changing your run level from 2 to 3
[03:13] <osiris> or 3 to 2
[03:14] <osiris> i dont know what you have set to load on each run level
[03:14] <osiris> for me, RL2 is boot to cli
[03:14] <osiris> RL3 is boot to gui
[03:14] <NotWired> okay
[03:14] <NotWired> it was 2 and i switch to 3
[03:14] <NotWired> reboot now?
[03:14] <osiris> yes
[03:14] <NotWired> k, thanks
[03:14] <osiris> or init 3
[03:14] <osiris> i think
[03:15] <osiris> sudo init3
[03:15] <osiris> something like that
[03:15] <NotWired> i've rebooted
[03:15] <NotWired> i'll see shortly
[03:15] <mustang_> ok
[03:16] <NotWired> ut oh, that returned gdm to the scene
[03:17] <osiris> well, change it back to 2 then
[03:17] <NotWired> done
[03:17] <oracle> is this working?
[03:17] <NotWired> do you know what packages has the kde startup scripts?
[03:17] <mustang_> ok, whats the verdect
[03:17] <NotWired> i can try to reinstall that
[03:18] <mustang_> try apt-get install xfree86
[03:18] <NotWired> no mustang_, not good
[03:18] <mustang_> im listening
[03:18] <NotWired> xfree86 is still a valid package?
[03:18] <mustang_> one sec
[03:18] <NotWired> i thought it was replaced
[03:18] <mustang_> i think your right
[03:18] <NotWired> i reinstalled xserver-xorg thought
[03:18] <NotWired> *though
[03:20] <mustang_> im short on solutions
[03:20] <Livedifferent> If I were to get rid of GRUB, how would I do it? Without a floppy or Windows Install CD?
[03:20] <mustang_> I can't find xfree86 now...probabally like you said, out of date
[03:20] <NotWired> okay, thanks mustang_
[03:20] <NotWired> i appreciate it
[03:21] <mustang_> its no problem... We didn't get very far
[03:21] <NotWired> sort of progress :-)
[03:21] <NotWired> i'm going to see if there is a kde channel
[03:21] <shinigami> hi i've plugged a thumbdrive into kubuntu..after that i try to plug into windows and it says device driver not found?
[03:22] <crxyem> so what is the diference between the dvd vs the cd iso's for install
[03:22] <mustang_> sweet.  Take it easy and good luck
[03:22] <crxyem> shingami, did you format the thumbdrive when you were using it in linux ??
[03:23] <shinigami> noi
[03:24] <shinigami> no..icopiednsome mp3 in only
[03:24] <shinigami> maybe i did not unmount before pulling out
[03:25] <crxyem> should be a big deal if you didn't unmount it
[03:25] <crxyem>    so what is the diference between the dvd vs the cd iso's for install
[03:26] <anton> I've mounted my NTFS drive, but I can't acces it. I get this errormsg: "bash: cd: ntfs/: Permission denied" What do I have to do, so I can access it?
[03:26] <Jucato> DVD contains much more software, has both the Live CD and text based installer
[03:27] <shinigami> ok...did i spoiled my thumbdrive?
[03:27] <shinigami> sigh
[03:27] <shinigami> only linux can read it now
[03:27] <crxyem> I don't think you have spoiled it per say, I ue mine in both win and linux systems
[03:28] <crxyem> well live cd and text editor two things I like
[03:28] <shinigami> are there like some driver files inside the thumbdrive that i could have deleted? i saw a lost+found folder in the drive but i deleted it
[03:29] <crxyem> are you sure you didn't format the drive ext3 when you were using it ??
[03:29] <anton> Does anyone know, why I can't access the NTFS I just mounted?
[03:29] <anton> How do I set the permissions, so that I can access it?
[03:30] <Jucato> !ntfs
[03:30] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:30] <stdin> hey everyone :)
[03:30] <anton> thanks
[03:31] <shinigami> ok..how i check for the file system of the thumb?
[03:31] <anton> !ntfs-3g
[03:31] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[03:31] <anton> !fuse
[03:31] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[03:31] <anton> hmm, I don't want to write to the disc
[03:31] <anton> just read
[03:31] <juano_> help anyone i cant make a windows machine connect fine  with an ubuntu machine, they connect fine both machines browse the network , except after 30 minutes or so in windows i only see my pc in the network neighborhood and in ubuntu i cant browse hte network at all, except i can always do \\linuxpcname from windows and \\windowspcname from linux and browse fine. the problem is in network places, after 30 minutes icons wont appear
[03:31] <anton> i have it mounted, i just don't have permission to change directory to it
[03:32] <stdin> anton: you need a umask then
[03:33] <anton> aha..
[03:33] <stdin> anton: how did you mount it? from fstab?
[03:33] <anton> stdin: from bash
[03:33] <scott__> hello all
[03:33] <anton> how do I do that umask- thing?
[03:34] <intelikey> could i trubble one person to do#  grep bin/killall /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list                   form please ?
[03:34] <stdin> anton: just use the same command as normal but add "-o umask=0000" to the end of it
[03:35] <anton> stdin: you mean I have to type that on the same line after "mount ... ..." ?
[03:35] <intelikey> anton yes   or put it in your fstab
[03:35] <anton> ok, thanks
[03:35] <HymnToLife> stdin, umask 000 seems a bad idea to me...
[03:35] <crxyem> anton , that's correct but you should set -o umask=0777
[03:36] <stdin> HymnToLife: a dmask would be better
[03:36] <intelikey> HymnToLife depends on whether it's a desktop with one user or a server with lots of users.
[03:36] <anton> ok, thanks, i'll try it now.
[03:36] <mattp1984> hey whats up
[03:36] <mattp1984> i have a quick probably easy to answer question
[03:37] <mattp1984> any of you use EasyUbuntu
[03:37] <HymnToLife> intelikey, even so, better be safe than sorry
[03:37] <intelikey> "<crxyem> anton , that's correct but you should set -o umask=0777"  <<< restrict access to none ?
[03:37] <HymnToLife> that's a funny idea too :p
[03:37] <stdin> intelikey: "sysvutils: sbin/killall5" and "psmisc: usr/bin/killall"
[03:37] <Daisuke_Ido> mattp1984: it's best not to use it, there's nothing that can't be gotten without it
[03:37] <intelikey> thank you stdin
[03:38] <stdin> yw :)
[03:38] <HymnToLife> anton, do uid=1000,umask=0022
[03:38] <mattp1984> why is it best not to use it?
[03:38] <dawn> ok I am confused about xorg.conf
[03:38] <HymnToLife> dawn, just ask your question
[03:38] <anton> the umask 0000 worked. What does the uid=1000 mean?
[03:38] <stdin> mattp1984: nope, and I _don't_ recommend you do either, it can lead to a damaged system
[03:38] <dawn> I ran the  $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh and my settings are not sticking
[03:38] <anton> I want the drive to be read only
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido> short answer, it's evil.  long answer, it's evil, not supported, and it can cause a lot of problems
[03:39] <dawn> it always reverts back to 800x600
[03:39] <HymnToLife> anton, umask=0000 means _everyone_ has write access to it
[03:39] <dawn> I have a nvidia geforce series 6 card
[03:39] <anton> oh ok :o
[03:39] <dawn> and a nice widescreen monitor
[03:39] <intelikey> anton then mount it  ro,umask=000  would be good
[03:39] <stdin> anton: the "uid=1000" means that the 1st user setup on the system will "own" the files/dirs
[03:39] <HymnToLife> uid=1000,umask=0022 means you have write access and everyone else has read-only access
[03:39] <anton> HymnToLife: I don't have to use "-r" for readonly when doing the mount?
[03:39] <dawn> would it safe to say that maybe the settings are too high initially? so it reverts back to 800x600
[03:40] <HymnToLife> if you want to mount it read only, you should use it
[03:40] <anton> ok, thanks.
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> that all depends on what you're setting the resolution to
[03:40] <HymnToLife> or add ro to the mount options, it's the same thing
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> crt?  lcd?  max resolution of the monitor?
[03:40] <dawn> 1280x1024
[03:40] <crxyem> whoops got my umask and permissions confused
[03:40] <intelikey> yep
[03:41] <dawn> lcd, 1680 x 1050
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> so 16:9
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[03:41] <dawn> i reinstalled nvidia-glx as well
[03:41] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm :(
[03:41] <dawn> then went thru the config settings
[03:42] <intelikey> ok updated glibc err libc6      rebooting
[03:42] <dawn> i tried the widescreen setting in system settings, monitor and display
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> this is going to sound retarded, but...  did you restart X?
[03:43] <dawn> haha
[03:43] <dawn> yes silly man
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> bottom up approach to tech supprt
[03:43] <dawn> multiple times
[03:43] <Daisuke_Ido> half the time i forget the simplest parts.
[03:43] <dawn> i agree, I do that with windoze all the time
[03:44] <dawn> is it plugged in? did you hit the power button? is the monitor pluged in? blah...blah...blah...
[03:44] <anton> This is what my command looks like: sudo mount -t ntfs -r /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs/ -o uid=1000, umask=0022 Something's wrong with it, but I don't know what.
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i've got no experience with widescreen displays, except to say i have no idea why it shouldn't work
[03:44] <dawn> it does work
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you want to go in and manually add it into xorg.conf
[03:45] <dawn> for some strange reasons the settings are not sticking
[03:45] <dawn> i tied that as well once
[03:45] <mattp1984> svn: Berkeley DB error while opening 'nodes' table for filesystem /home/svn/repos/easyubuntu/db:
[03:45] <mattp1984> Cannot allocate memory
[03:45] <mattp1984> svn: bdb: Unable to allocate memory for transaction detail
[03:45] <mattp1984> anyone know what that means
[03:45] <dawn> I can go in and delete it if I have to as root
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, now you've really exhausted every option i can think of :\
[03:45] <anton> stdin: can you see what I'm doing wrong?
[03:46] <dawn> <----isn't exhausted...not by a long shot
[03:46] <dawn> lol
[03:46] <stdin> anton: no spaces after the commas
[03:46] <anton> ok
[03:46] <intelikey> yeah means there is not enough ram marked as free mattp1984
[03:46] <mattp1984> thats what i thought
[03:46] <mattp1984> i have been using suse for years, just installed kubuntu today, first time user
[03:47] <dawn> welcome
[03:47] <anton> stdin: oh thanks you, wonderfull. Thanks to HymnToLife too, and any other who helped me. If i add this line to fstab, it will mount it on boot, right?
[03:47] <mattp1984> i cant possibly be using all my ram, got any ideas why it is saying i am out of ram
[03:47] <intelikey> you have my sympathy
[03:47] <stdin> anton: and you don't actually need the "-r" as ntfs is mounted read only antway :)
[03:47] <anton> ok
[03:47] <anton> and it will work fine if i put it into fstab too?
[03:48] <stdin> anton: the line you want is "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs/ ntfs auto,uid=1000,umask=0022 0 0" in fstab to make it mount on boot
[03:48] <intelikey> mattp1984 too much allocated out by other things.   also of note, that error is irrelevent of swap space.
[03:48] <anton> wow, thanks a lot :)
[03:48] <stdin> no problem :)
[03:49] <soulrider> hello
[03:49] <soulrider> !adeptfix
[03:49] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:49] <soulrider> !botsnack
[03:49] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:49] <intelikey> only thing that i've had do me that way was gimp   trying to open a 1m tiff file.   needed 600+m of free ram.
[03:49] <shadowhywind> is anyone around that can help with vpn?
[03:51] <soulrider> shadowhywind: vpn ?
[03:51] <shadowhywind> i have openvpn installed, and i am correctly connected to my server, but i want to use the internet from the server and can't figure out
[03:52] <intelikey> errr actually no.  it wasn't gimp  it was paul.   i didn't even try gimp on it.
[03:54] <mattp1984> so does anyone know anything about that memory problem i am having
[03:54] <intelikey> mattp1984 try to use a different app on it
[03:55] <padlefot> how do I make programs autostart with the KDE login?
[03:55] <padlefot> i use gdm btw
[03:56] <intelikey> dm is irrelevent,  you link them in ~/.kde/autostart/    or what ever the name of the dir is.
[03:56] <Jucato> !autostart
[03:56] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:56] <intelikey> ya big A
[04:00] <intelikey> mattp1984 that error seems to be a bad system call in one of the libs   it's trying to allocate ram  but doesn't request that other things be swapped out to make enough free ram.    i don't know any more than that.    file a bug with the app and use something else until it's fixed.
[04:01] <dawn> ok I have it setup for 1280x1024
[04:01] <dawn> those settings are sticking for now
[04:01] <dawn> and I do see the nvidia splashscreen load so..
[04:05] <intelikey> Kr4t05 mind changing your part/quit message, it's disrespectful and breaks the code of conduct for the channel.
[04:05] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I apologize, it's not a permantly set quit message.
[04:06] <Kr4t05> And, for the record, go suck your CoC.
[04:06] <soulrider> hi intelikey
[04:06] <intelikey> soulrider
[04:08] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to copy an *.so file to the FFplugin, but I can see the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins file but i can't copy the *.so plugin to it ...what is required here ?
[04:09] <stdin> BluesKaj: how are you trying to copy it ?
[04:09] <HymnToLife> BluesKaj, sudo
[04:09] <HymnToLife> !sudo | BluesKaj
[04:09] <ubotu> BluesKaj: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:09] <intelikey> BluesKaj permission to write to the dir is the requirement.   rather than change the perms.  the normal way is to do the cp as root.
[04:10] <soulrider> anyone lnow what sudo stands for ?
[04:10] <sparr> Super User DO
[04:10] <soulrider> ah, i thought so
[04:10] <Jucato> afaik, it's Switch User DO
[04:10] <Jucato> like su = Switch User
[04:10] <intelikey> soulrider on that kind of Q man command   generally answers it correctly  :)
[04:10] <stdin> su = switch user, sudo is super user do
[04:11] <Jucato> man sudo: sudo, sudoedit - execute a command as another user <-- not necessarily always super user
[04:11] <sparr> Jucato: i have different man sudo
[04:11] <Jucato> it's like su, if you don't give another user name, it defaults to root
[04:11] <sparr>  su - change user ID or become super-user
[04:11] <Jucato> hm.. weird
[04:12] <sparr> man pages arent entirely standardized
[04:12] <sparr> esp between linux and bsd
[04:12] <soulrider> sudo - a definition from Whatis.comSudo (superuser do)
[04:12] <intelikey> sparr that's the man su you posted
[04:12] <soulrider> gogole gave me that
[04:12] <sparr> intelikey: ahh, my bad
[04:12] <Jucato> soulrider: in this case, I would trust man more then Google...
[04:13] <BluesKaj> err where do i do this ... trying sudo /usr/lib/firefox/plugins in the run box but ...nothing
[04:13] <sparr>  sudo allows a permitted user to execute a command as the superuser or
[04:13] <sparr>        another user, as specified in the sudoers file
[04:13] <Jucato> but anyway, stdin is right :P
[04:13] <stdin> http://www.sudo.ws/ (official website afaik) says "Sudo (superuser do)"
[04:13] <Jucato> http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/sudo.html
[04:13] <intelikey> BluesKaj you left out the command.  "cp"
[04:13] <Jucato> :)
[04:13] <sparr> http://sudo.ws/
[04:13] <sparr> damn you
[04:13] <sparr> beat me to it  :)
[04:13] <soulrider> lol
[04:13] <intelikey> sudo cp blah to/blah
[04:13] <sparr> whats with you weirdos adding "www."?
[04:14] <Jucato> what's with you weirdos not using copy-paste?
[04:14] <soulrider> lol
[04:14] <soulrider> i never use www
[04:14] <stdin> heh
[04:14] <Jucato> or highlight-middle click?  :O
[04:17] <BluesKaj> the blah to blah is what i wanted to know ...never assume with newbs ok :)
[04:17] <intelikey> yes it will open an xwindow for the password and then execute the command
[04:18] <intelikey> BluesKaj blah=the file to be copied   and to/blah=the destination to copy to
[04:18] <BluesKaj> yup ok , gonna try that
[04:19] <intelikey> trying sudo /usr/lib/firefox/plugins in the run box but ...nothing <<<<  so you would do#   kdesu cp <the_file_name_here> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[04:20] <intelikey> in the "run" box.     use sudo in the konsole for the same string.
[04:21] <intelikey> do i talk in cyrcles ?
[04:22] <intelikey> or is it just kriptik ?
[04:22] <stdin> no, you talk in cylinders
[04:22] <intelikey> and blocks
[04:22] <intelikey> :)
[04:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, but apt doesn't see the file ..doesn't exist
[04:24] <BluesKaj> "curses curses foiled agian "
[04:24] <intelikey> apt ?
[04:25] <BluesKaj> err sorry the terminal
[04:25] <intelikey> cd Desktop
[04:25] <intelikey> and look
[04:25] <stdin> use ls
[04:25] <stdin> ls = list
[04:25] <BluesKaj> it's in the /home dir
[04:25] <intelikey> no it's not  :)
[04:26] <stdin> in /home, or $HOME ? :P
[04:26] <intelikey> ls = list ?      i thought it meand  Look and See  :)
[04:27] <stdin> man page says "ls - list directory contents" :)
[04:28] <stdin> well, I'm a pedantic so-and-so
[04:29] <BluesKaj> it's in the /home/kaj dir
[04:29] <BluesKaj> dunno what $HOME is
[04:30] <stdin> BluesKaj: $HOME is a variable, it stored the path to your home directory
[04:30] <intelikey> for you $HOME=/home/kaj    so then     cd       and you will be there.         "if you arent already"
[04:30] <Jucato> $HOME = ~ = /home/<current_user>
[04:30] <stdin> $HOME = where the heart is
[04:30] <stdin> :P
[04:30] <intelikey> Jucato no  some users are not based in /home
[04:31] <intelikey> root seldom is.   i never am.
[04:31] <mxwlpxwl> hello allz
[04:31] <Jucato> intelikey: it's the usual/normal setup
[04:31] <Jucato> root user isn't enabled, you are not usual/normal
[04:31] <mxwlpxwl> i am having trouble with apt-get install libk3b2-mp3....but i believe i have the correct repositories
[04:32] <intelikey> but a default kubuntu      sudo echo $HOME
[04:32] <BluesKaj> well I know I am in /home as far the terminal is concerned
[04:32] <intelikey> err maybe -i that.
[04:32] <intelikey> then cd and you will be in /home/kaj
[04:34] <intelikey> and the prompt will probably show the tild symbol as your path    "~" == "$HOME"
[04:34] <BluesKaj> intelikey, i think the problem is the file is in a folder in the home dir
[04:34] <intelikey> loop
[04:34] <stdin> find ~ -name "*.so"
[04:35] <intelikey> yes and did you look in the  ~/Desktop    like i mentioned half an hour ago BluesKaj ?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> trying to get it to into the FFplugin setup to play yup, not there
[04:35] <BluesKaj> err  not on the desktop
[04:36] <AHinMaine> I found a page on the ubuntu wiki about how to compile from a deb src package, but I just can't find it again... could anyone help me out?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> cp: cannot stat `file:///home/kaj/octoprogram-L03-N00-U00_0606300_900/liboctoshape.so': No such file or directory ...yet I'm looking right at it
[04:38] <stdin> BluesKaj: take off the "file://" part
[04:40] <BluesKaj> it's also balking at the word 'to"
[04:41] <stdin> what is the exact command you are using ?
[04:42] <BluesKaj> ok it copied , but the file is "locked"
[04:42] <flaccid__> whois flaccid-
[04:42] <flaccid__> oops
[04:43] <stdin> BluesKaj: "sudo chmod 644 /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/liboctoshape.so" should fix it
[04:44] <xenoterracide> anyone know what file I set dns servers in?
[04:45] <stdin> xenoterracide: /etc/resolv.conf
[04:45] <BluesKaj> cool stdin , thx ..now we'll see if it actually works :P
[04:45] <xenoterracide> dolt
[04:45] <xenoterracide> thx
[04:45] <xenoterracide> I new that
[04:45] <xenoterracide> just couldn't think of it
[04:46] <AHinMaine> anyone know how to compile from a source package?
[04:46] <flaccid__> !make
[04:46] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:47] <draik> I think that I may have screwed up my Kubuntu partition
[04:47] <draik> Now that I log in, I get the error message that it could not start tty, so I get a prompt to ramfs
[04:47] <draik> or something similar
[04:48] <AHinMaine> i don't mean a regular source tarball, I mean how do I create a binary package of my own from a deb-src.
[04:49] <AHinMaine> i saw it earlier today on the wiki, but tonight I've been digging for almost an hour and I can't find the damn page...
[04:51] <intelikey> AHinMaine i would say look through your history  but if you've been plunking around there that long....
[04:51] <AHinMaine> history is on a different machine that I can't access from here.
[04:52] <saki> alright! I seem to have killed my sound system!
[04:52] <intelikey> draik sounds like you need to determine whether it's ramfs prompt or a bash prompt   then we can help
[04:52] <intelikey> saki good job.
[04:53] <intelikey> ^5
[04:53] <stdin> AHinMaine: only thing I can find is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics
[04:53] <draik> intelikey: ramfs
[04:53] <draik> I can't get a bash
[04:53] <draik> Let me reboot and then I will tell you what it says. I have a laptop that is ALL kubuntu
[04:54] <draik> intelikey: Give me one moment
[04:54] <intelikey> draik ok.  then may i sujest you boot the live CD and fsck the root partition
[04:54] <draik> I'm on the live cd now
[04:54] <saki> !audio
[04:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <draik> intelikey: I was fsck'ing the partition and it asked if I wanted to fix inodes... I just kept saying "y"
[04:55] <draik> intelikey: Do you think that by doing that I may have caused an issue?
[04:55] <intelikey> yes
[04:55] <draik> great. Just great
[04:55] <AHinMaine> crud.  it was like a 4 step process to take a regular source package and roll your own binary package from that...   arg...  just install kubuntu on my laptop but I can't get claws-mail installed because of version hassles...
[04:55] <intelikey> what fs is it ?   ext3 ?
[04:56] <draik> ext3
[04:56] <saki> Alright, Kubuntu seems not to like my sound card or something...I'm running a Creative SBLive!
[04:56] <intelikey> draik  sudo fdisk -l     and pastebin.ca the output
[04:56] <saki> I have both ALSA and OSS installed
[04:56] <intelikey> !sound | saki      been there ?
[04:56] <ubotu> saki      been there ?: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:57] <saki> nope not yet?
[04:58] <AHinMaine> bleh...  finally....  just noticed that they have their own ubuntu repository right at claws-mail.org...  doh!
[04:59] <draik> http://pastebin.ca/326509
[04:59] <draik> intelikey: ^^
[05:01] <intelikey> that's saying you have four swap partitions, is that correct ?
[05:01] <saki> okay anyone know how to tell kubuntu not to use a sound card and to use the other one?
[05:01] <saki> its trying to use my on board sound, and not the SB card
[05:01] <saki> but it installed both of them
[05:01] <saki> >_>
[05:01] <draik> intelikey: shouldn't be. Should only be 1
[05:02] <intelikey> saki maybe someone in #ubuntu
[05:02] <intelikey> draik i was afraid you would say that.
[05:02] <elyon225> Could someone please help me out with my sound?  It's very staticy.  I've tried ALSA and OSS drivers... any other suggestions?
[05:02] <draik> intelikey: and now I'm afraid you don't have an answer
[05:02] <intelikey> draik can you off the top of your head tell me what your mountpoints used to look like.
[05:03] <intelikey> like so many G /  so many /home so many /var ...   ?
[05:03] <saki> Elyon, It sounds like its hardwar
[05:03] <saki> hardware*
[05:03] <draik> intelikey: hda1 is WinXP... hda5 is SWAP.... hda6 is Kubuntu...
[05:03] <saki> have you tried your speakers on another sound card/computer?
[05:03] <draik> intelikey: AFAIK
[05:03] <elyon225> saki: Any way to fix that?
[05:03] <intelikey> k
[05:04] <elyon225> saki: Oh, my speakers work perfectly.  A lot of the sounds/mp3 here sound fine.
[05:04] <Pupeno> Where's that old nice script that used iptables -save and -restore that one would put in /etc/init.d/iptables
[05:04] <Pupeno> ?
[05:04] <intelikey> draik issue this command in a konsole #   sudo mount /dev/hda6 /media
[05:05] <draik> intelikey: I have it in /mnt. Is that ok?
[05:05] <intelikey> yes
[05:05] <draik> ok
[05:05] <intelikey> draik do # cat /mnt/etc/fstab
[05:05] <intelikey> pastebin that for me
[05:05] <draik> intelikey: No such file or directory
[05:06] <intelikey> ok# sudo umount /mnt /mnt/*
[05:06] <draik> intelikey: Ok. Everything comes up with "not found".
[05:07] <intelikey> there is a /mnt  is there not ?
[05:07] <draik> yes
[05:07] <intelikey> ls /mnt
[05:07] <intelikey> should be blank return
[05:08] <draik> correct
[05:08] <strife> what is better kubuntu or ubuntu?
[05:08] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[05:08] <draik> ok
[05:08] <stdin> strife: depends on what you like, gnome or kde
[05:08] <intelikey> strife they are the same,  one comes with kde the other with gnome.
[05:09] <intelikey> packages come out of the same box though
[05:09] <strife> no difference in compatibility for networking?
[05:09] <intelikey> strife no
[05:09] <stdin> strife: nope, they both use the same core packages
[05:10] <strife> awesome thanks guys
[05:10] <intelikey> now one app may work better at dfecting hardware than another.
[05:10] <draik> strife, where are you located?
[05:10] <intelikey> detecting even
[05:10] <strife> Canada
[05:10] <intelikey> draik you get lost ?
[05:11] <draik> strife: think of this as a car. Which do you prefer, Lexus or Toyota? Nissan or Inifinity? Honda or Acura? Its all the same thing under the hood, just a matter of the look
[05:11] <intelikey> draik # ls /mnt
[05:12] <draik> intelikey: lost?
[05:12] <draik> intelikey: Ok. I did ls /mnt. Now what?
[05:12] <intelikey> anything there ?
[05:12] <strife> yeah but kde seems to have more cool packages available....
[05:12] <draik> intelikey: Yes. Just my backups of a video I was placing together and my old backups
[05:13] <intelikey> ok you can # sudo umount /mnt
[05:13] <stdin> strife: better analogy is, "Which do you prefer, a blue car or a red car" :)
[05:13] <strife> blue
[05:13] <kaatil> i have question.. how to set gdm display manager as default?
[05:13] <seven11> somebody know how to open .chm files
[05:14] <draik> intelikey: Ok. umount done
[05:14] <intelikey> draik one more time# sudo mount /dev/hda6 /mnt && mount | grep dev/hda6
[05:14] <puskom> test
[05:14] <stdin> strife: all the packages are available on both, you can use KDE packages on gnome and vice-versa
[05:14] <intelikey> puskom
[05:14] <Revo> hehehehe
[05:15] <draik> intelikey: Ok. I get     /dev/hda6 on /mnt type ext3 (rw)
[05:15] <intelikey> draik # ls /mnt
[05:15] <draik> ok
[05:15] <draik> no /etc
[05:15] <Revo> katrook
[05:15] <stdin> kaatil: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" should let you choose, if not you need to edit "/etc/X11/default-display-manager" and change "/usr/bin/kdm" to "/usr/bin/gdm"
[05:16] <intelikey> well it's probably in lost+found draik
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <kaatil> thank you stdin. :)
[05:16] <intelikey> draik # ls /mnt/lost+found
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <stdin> yw :)
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <Revo> katrooook
[05:16] <garryb> that sounds like a new kde application
[05:16] <garryb> btw, eating our screen does not make you cool
[05:16] <intelikey> revo stop it.
[05:17] <saki> anyone here know anything about how kubuntu handles sound?
[05:17] <Revo> katrooook
[05:17] <Revo> katrooook
[05:17] <Revo> katrooook
[05:17] <Revo> katroooo.......ooooook
[05:17] <draik> intelikey: Ok. Not in there. It's all just a bunch of numbers #11158095
[05:17] <intelikey> draik one of them blue ?
[05:18] <draik> alot of them are
[05:18] <intelikey> draik ls -l /mnt/lost+found     and pastebin.ca the output
[05:19] <intelikey> i'll see if i can find it for you.
[05:20] <draik> it's longer than I can scroll
[05:20] <intelikey> draik ls -l /mnt/lost+found | less     and pastebin.ca the output
[05:20] <draik> http://pastebin.ca/326528
[05:20] <intelikey> then you can scroll it.
[05:20] <intelikey> wait
[05:20] <intelikey> draik lets try dirrect.
[05:21] <elyon225> Okay, in an effort to fix my staticy sound, I've removed my PCI sound card and switched to the onboard (which I have enabled in my BIOS).  But now I don't have any sound.  Do I need to reconfigure my sound driver or something?
[05:21] <intelikey> draik  ls -l /mnt/lost+found /mnt > info.txt
[05:21] <intelikey> and /dcc send intelikey info.txt
[05:22] <intelikey> !sound | elyon225
[05:22] <ubotu> elyon225: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:22] <garryb> one time i removed my soudn card while the computer was on
[05:23] <garryb> it's acted a little funny ever since
[05:23] <DBO> that was silly
[05:23] <intelikey> i've changed ps2 mice while running.... doesn't always work so good.
[05:23] <elyon225> garryb: lol nice.
[05:24] <garryb> ps2 mice are finicky but generally won't destroy your computer
[05:24] <draik> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/326540
[05:25] <dethklok> Whoo, upgrade to edgy!
[05:25] <intelikey> ok now give that dirrect connect thing one shot for me. draik
[05:26] <intelikey> if your nick is registered
[05:26] <draik> nick is reg'd
[05:26] <draik> how do I do it direct?
[05:26] <intelikey> draik  ls -l /mnt/lost+found /mnt > info.txt
[05:26] <intelikey> and /dcc send intelikey info.txt
[05:26] <draik> I did
[05:26] <draik> ok
[05:27] <draik> ok
[05:30] <intelikey> draik did something hang ?
[05:30] <draik> sending it again
[05:30] <draik> I got a timeout
[05:30] <intelikey> change the name first
[05:30] <draik> huh?
[05:30] <draik> file name?
[05:30] <intelikey> maybe info.txt was a bad file name.
[05:31] <draik> nope
[05:31] <intelikey> my client acted funny about it.
[05:31] <dethklok> how long does apt-get upgrade usually take on a brand new install or edgy? (all respitores uncommented)
[05:31] <intelikey> try file.txt
[05:31] <draik> ok.
[05:31] <elyon225> intelikey: I went through the debugging steps to install the proper module, but I'm being given a "Permission Denied" error when trying to save the settings (and running speaker-test doesn't work)
[05:32] <intelikey> elyon225 have to do that as root.
[05:32] <intelikey> !sudo | elyon225
[05:32] <ubotu> elyon225: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:32] <elyon225> intelikey: Can't just use sudo?  Because running as sudo still gave me that error.
[05:33] <intelikey> draik ok  -:- DCC Unable to open /usr/local/src/dcc/file.txt
[05:33] <elyon225> sudo echo options [module-name]  [module-options]  >> /etc/modprobe.d/[module-name]
[05:33] <elyon225> bash: /etc/modprobe.d/[module-name] : Permission denied
[05:33] <intelikey> you can kill that i'll use the info you pasted and see what i can determine.
[05:33] <draik> killed
[05:34] <stdin> elyon225: yeah, that won't work. use "sudo -i" to get a root shell first
[05:34] <intelikey> elyon225 you have to inturpret  [module-options]  and [module-name]
[05:34] <elyon225> stdin: Perhaps the step by step instructions should say so ;)
[05:34] <intelikey> also ^
[05:34] <stdin> intelikey: redirects don't work with sudo tho
[05:35] <stdin> elyon225: I'll let the document team know :)
[05:35] <intelikey> redirrect does work with sudo  echo blah | sudo tee filename
[05:35] <stdin> intelikey: that's not a redirect tho
[05:35] <intelikey> echo something | sudo tee -a /test.1
[05:36] <draik> http://pastebin.ca/326528
[05:37] <draik> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/326540
[05:37] <elyon225> hmm... so running it as root went fine (no output), but now when I try running speaker-test, it kept repeating "Device or resource busy" ... then proceeded with the test and still nothing.
[05:37] <elyon225> KMix shows the correct device, so does aplay.
[05:37] <dethklok> Is there a openoffice program I can use to make a pie graph??
[05:38] <draik> intelikey: any luck?
[05:39] <dethklok> Is there a openoffice program I can use to make a pie graph??
[05:39] <BluesKaj> nite folks ...sacktime here , take care
[05:39] <^Rolled> Calc should be able to make pie chartws
[05:40] <dethklok> ^Rolled, K, I'll take a look thanks
[05:41] <^Rolled> dethklok: Insert -> Chart
[05:41] <intelikey> draik still working on it.
[05:41] <adamwest> guys, my system hangs whenever i logout :\
[05:42] <elyon225> adamwest: I'm guessing you have an ATI card?
[05:42] <garryb> adamwest: i have an identical problem.  do you have a dell laptop?
[05:42] <^Rolled> Are there additional repositories for kubuntu?  I would like to install Firefox
[05:42] <garryb> elyon225: i have the same problem with Intel video
[05:42] <adamwest> no ATI no laptop.
[05:42] <elyon225> ^Rolled: Firefox is in the main reps.
[05:43] <^Rolled> what method do I use to install?
[05:43] <intelikey> draik had a thought.#  find /mnt/lost+found/ -name fstab
[05:43] <elyon225> ^Rolled: You can use Adept or apt-get.
[05:43] <adamwest> it hangs whenever i logout and if i restart it's this weird login instead of the normal one
[05:43] <elyon225> ^Rolled: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:43] <jeff_> I've got a weird issue with Xinerama on a box with 2 video cards.  I'm getting X to span across 2 LCD monitors, but for some reason, the second monitor isn't running at 1280x1024, even though they are both specified that way in xorg.conf.
[05:43] <intelikey> draik see if that pulls up pay dirt
[05:44] <^Rolled> Does Adept do package updates?
[05:44] <draik> nope.
[05:44] <draik> blank
[05:44] <elyon225> ^Rolled: Adept is also your update manager... it checks for updates whenever you logon.
[05:44] <stdin> ^Rolled: yeah, adept does
[05:44] <elyon225> ^Rolled: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[05:44] <stdin> ^Rolled: and the package for firefox is "firefox" not "mozilla-firefox" :)
[05:44] <elyon225> stdin: You sure? lol
[05:45] <stdin> elyon225: yep, totally sure :)
[05:45] <stdin> !info firefox
[05:45] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 8992 kB, installed size 28580 kB
[05:45] <elyon225> !info mozilla-firefox
[05:45] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 54 kB, installed size 112 kB
[05:45] <elyon225> :)
[05:45] <^Rolled> I see firefox .. however it is grey'd out... perhaps I will just use apt-get
[05:45] <intelikey> draik that's what i was afraid of.  that fs is really hosed.     what happened is it didn't read the dirrectory correctly so it chucked it in lost+found then all the stuff in /etc had no dir so it all got moved to lost+found     a real knight mare  to sort it all out.
[05:46] <elyon225> stdin: Seems I was still half right ;)
[05:46] <intelikey> draik what does /mnt/home   look like ?
[05:46] <draik> good. /home is ok
[05:46] <elyon225> So, does anyone have any ideas on why I have no sound?
[05:47] <draik> elyon225: reboot. Worked for me
[05:47] <elyon225> Wait... lemme make sure I have the speakers plugged into the right place ;)
[05:47] <mefisto__> is there any way to set gwenview to sort by date by default when it's browsing folders?
[05:47] <stdin> elyon225: is the test you are using uses oss, then you'll need to kill artsd first
[05:47] <elyon225> stdin: Should I just try rebooting?
[05:47] <intelikey> draik you can save anything out of home to that other partition  (if it's big enough)  and reload.  will be faster/easier than sorting out lost /etc dir  with all it's componants scattered
[05:48] <stdin> elyon225: you could, but artsd will start at login, it should, however auto-suspend after some time to allow oss usage
[05:48] <draik> 63GB on /home. 40-sum left on other HDD
[05:48] <intelikey> i'd rather work with a broken fs in your case than the fixed one you have.
[05:49] <elyon225> stdin: I don't know what driver the tests use.  I used KDE to set it to AutoDetect... and I don't know what speaker-test uses.
[05:49] <intelikey> draik you didn't backup /etc did you ?
[05:49] <draik> nope
[05:49] <intelikey> figures.
[05:49] <draik> WAIT
[05:49] <stdin> elyon225: it normally uses ALSA
[05:49] <draik> what's in /etc that I need?
[05:49] <intelikey> everything
[05:49] <elyon225> stdin: Well, I changed to ALSA in KDE and started up a game... still no sound.
[05:49] <stdin> elyon225: and arts will run on top of that
[05:49] <draik> ok...
[05:50] <intelikey> fstab startup scripts cnfigurations for everything.
[05:50] <stdin> elyon225: what game? the game may use oss
[05:50] <draik> hmmm...
[05:50] <elyon225> stdin: Neverball... but the speaker-test doesn't work either, and you said that uses ALSA?
[05:50] <draik> my friend has a very similar install that I do...
[05:51] <draik> can I sshd into his desktop right now and get them all?
[05:51] <stdin> elyon225: yeah, it should use ALSA by default
[05:51] <elyon225> stdin: And Amarok when set to ALSA doesn't work either.
[05:51] <intelikey> there are three dirs you don't just "fix" maybe four   /etc  /lib  /var   and  /usr   the /usr because that's where most all data is.  but the others cause they are essential  /*bin you might just copy someone elses binarries into  but those three are unique
[05:51] <elyon225> I do get a lot of errors when running speaker-test, though... about the device being busy.
[05:52] <draik> so no, huh?
[05:52] <intelikey> so no.
[05:52] <intelikey> sorry.
[05:53] <draik> me too
[05:53] <^Rolled> Wow .. Adept is pretty snazzy .. multiple streams of downloading of updates
[05:54] <intelikey> draik i hate it for you.  but one good thing out of it.  you get to consolidate those four swap partitions  and also devide your installation  i.e. make /home a seperate partition so this don't cause such a headach if it ever happens again.
[05:54] <draik> i suppose
[05:55] <elyon225> unbelievable!
[05:55] <ubuntu_> hola
[05:55] <stdin> elyon225: heh, you'll be happy to know that the instructions on the help page have now been updated :P
[05:56] <elyon225> So I search the forums for my problem and another guy with the same chipset said he had to plug his speakers into line out, not speakers.   Guess what... I have sound now lol
[05:56] <ubuntu_> alguien de ecuador???
[05:56] <elyon225> stdin: Excellent :)
[05:56] <dethklok> OMG, apt upgrade is taking forever!!!
[05:56] <ubuntu_> hello
[05:56] <dethklok> if I end it will it mess anything up?
[05:56] <elyon225> ...HOWEVER... the sound is still staticy.  So it's not a hardware issue.
[05:56] <intelikey> the system  /  only needs about 4g  6g is safe  the rest for /home   then you have a sort of failsafe in the event.   also  if you does tar -czf $HOME/etc.tar.gz /etc   about once a month they can recover from such   i would sujest that for /etc and var  but clear the cache and logs befor you backup var
[05:57] <bonbonthejon> did 3.5.6 get released today
[05:57] <ubuntu_> some body told me
[05:57] <ubuntu_> please
[05:57] <bonbonthejon> what do you need ubuntu_
[05:58] <ubuntu_> i like run xgl or berly in kubuntu
[05:58] <bonbonthejon> !xgl
[05:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:59] <xp9542> I'm having trouble writing to my newly mounted drive as a user, I basically installed a new hard drive formatted it as fat32, and then added the following: /dev/hdb1	/media/storage	vfat	rw,user	0	0 to my fstab file, but I can't write to the drive unless I act as route
[05:59] <ubuntu_> thanks!!!
[06:00] <xp9542> anyone know how I can get user permissions to the drive? I tried chmod 777 on the folder as root, but that didn't really help
[06:00] <ubuntu_> where are you from???
[06:00] <elyon225> Okay, I've ruled out a hardware issue for my sound having so much static noise.  Anyone else have any ideas?  I've tried using both OSS and ALSA.
[06:00] <ubuntu_> Im from ecuador
[06:00] <bonbonthejon> ubuntu_: Ohio, USA
[06:01] <ubuntu_> i dont speak english very well
[06:01] <ubuntu_> but i understand you
[06:01] <intelikey> draik /mnt/lost+found/4669655 might have been, probably was etc at one time.
[06:01] <ubuntu_> thanks a millon
[06:01] <dethklok> ubuntu_, where you from?
[06:01] <bonbonthejon> ubuntu_: thats good, there are also spanish language channels
[06:01] <stdin> ubuntu_: is spanish your language ?
[06:02] <ubuntu_> yes
[06:02] <stdin> !es
[06:02] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:02] <stdin> spanish channels ^^ :)
[06:02] <intelikey> if it wasn't now empty you could have just moved it to# sudo mv /mnt/lost+found/4669655 /mnt/etc
[06:02] <draik> intelikey: Would I be able to root the /mnt so that I can get all the packages that were installed?
[06:02] <ubuntu_> es que es mucho mas chevere en ingles, por que asi aprendo mucho mas su idioma
[06:03] <ubuntu_> gracias de todo modos
[06:03] <stdin> xp9542: is the partition mounted at boot ?
[06:03] <intelikey> draik explain ?
[06:03] <dethklok> Lol, I work at mc d's and pretty much everybody there is mexican so I can't understand any of them half the time.. lol
[06:03] <intelikey> root the /mnt ?
[06:03] <draik> I want to get a list of all my installed apps/pkgs
[06:03] <draik> yes!
[06:03] <mshade_> xp9542: add the option:  umask=0000
[06:04] <Jucato> dpkg --get-selections
[06:04] <draik> Hey there Jucato
[06:04] <stdin> mshade_: very unsafe option there
[06:04] <Jucato> hi draik!! :)
[06:04] <intelikey> ok.  ls -1 /mnt/var/lib/dpkg/*.list | sort -u > installed_packages.list
[06:04] <draik> Jucato: :( I lost my Kubuntu... LiveCD
[06:04] <intelikey> draik ^
[06:05] <dethklok> Jucato! this is tehpwn (I had to reregister or what ever)
[06:05] <draik> no such file or directory
[06:05] <Jucato> draik:  :((
[06:06] <Jucato> intelikey: won't "dpkg --get-selections" work as well?
[06:06] <julio> windows sucks!!!!
[06:06] <intelikey> draik i left out a subdir.
[06:06] <draik> oh
[06:06] <elyon225> Well, I think I found a solution for my staticy sound... I turned the volume in the offending programs all the way up and boom...fixed.
[06:06] <intelikey> ls -1 /mnt/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | sort -u > installed_packages.list
[06:06] <mshade_> stdin: if he's on a single user machine, what's the risk?
[06:06] <intelikey> draik that should work ^
[06:06] <draik> ok
[06:07] <stdin> mshade_: because it make every file executable
[06:07] <intelikey> Jucato the root fs was hosed  etc is scattered all over lost+found
[06:07] <Jucato> intelikey: oh..
[06:08] <intelikey> i don't know what all else is in lost+found so not taking chances running things in there
[06:08] <mshade_> stdin: so then 0111 ? ;)
[06:08] <stdin> mshade_: nope, because then he won't be able to cd in to any dir :P
[06:08] <mshade_> stdin: true.
[06:09] <intelikey> stdin mshade_ and whoever else.    dmask=000,fmask=111
[06:09] <mshade_> intelikey: nice.
[06:10] <stdin> I would have said dmask=000,fmask=113 would be better
[06:10] <mshade_> never seen the dmask option
[06:10] <Dr_willis> ive seen it.. never used it
[06:10] <draik> intelikey: I don't suppose you would know how to make Kubuntu burn on a Dual Layer DVD with a Dual Layer burner, would you?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Heh - i got a DL dvd burner.. but never tried it with DL disks yet.. the disks are too much $$
[06:11] <Dr_willis> k3b cant handle dl disks?
[06:11] <intelikey> draik no sorry.   i'm still playing with cdr  havent graduated to dvd yet
[06:11] <draik> Dr_willis: Seems that way. I tried and told me incorrect media
[06:11] <Dr_willis> could also be some updates to the cdrecord/other tools needed.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> may want to check the k3b homepage/forums ?
[06:12] <intelikey> Dr_willis also of note that's on the liveCD
[06:12] <Dr_willis> I dont mess with the kubuntu live cd much. :)
[06:12] <xp9542> I'm having trouble writing to my newly mounted drive as a user, I basically installed a new hard drive formatted it as fat32, and then added the following: /dev/hdb1	/media/storage	vfat	defaults	0	0 to my fstab file, but I can't write to the drive unless I act as route
[06:12] <Dr_willis> i dont even have one here. to use.. heh
[06:13] <Dr_willis> xp9542,  you need to use the umask and perhaps some other options
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[06:13] <Dr_willis> has some info.. and theres some other urls also worth reading
[06:13] <Dr_willis> !vfat
[06:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:14] <xp9542> thanks dr willis i'll check it out
[06:14] <intelikey> xp9542  sed 's/defaults/fmask=111,dmask=000,user,users/'  that line
[06:14] <intelikey> daz all you need to did.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> yea - replace 'defaults' with  user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> is what that command intelikey  said.. does.. :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> or perhaps ya may read those docs and find some other options you want to use.
[06:15] <intelikey> actually i said     fmask=111,dmask=000,user,users
[06:16] <intelikey> not that it make a hill of potatos
[06:16] <Dr_willis> i just pasted what the web site suggested. :)
[06:16] <Dr_willis> im not sure that 'user,users' makes sence...  i forget what the diff is. :)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> not sure that 'user,auto' makes sence either. :)
[06:17] <xp9542> dr willis, i tried making the changes it now reads: /media/storage	vfat	user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 but after trying mount -a I still get the permission denied error.
[06:17] <intelikey> one sets ownership and the other gives permission to mount   so you don't need root
[06:17] <Dr_willis> you did umount it first?
[06:17] <xp9542> ** /dev/hdb1	/media/storage	vfat	user,auto,fmask=0111,dmask=0000	0	0
[06:17] <Dr_willis> then you remount it.
[06:17] <kaatil> question... after i edited xorg.conf, how do i update xorg.conf? or do i just restart xserver for it to be updated?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> if you edited it.. you did chage it.. restart the X server
[06:18] <intelikey> restart X
[06:18] <kaatil> ok thanks
[06:18] <Dr_willis> Hope ya made a backup... just in case. :)
[06:18] <kaatil> heh thanks
[06:18] <intelikey> safty is no fun
[06:18] <intelikey> go commando
[06:19] <intelikey> go balistic
[06:19] <xp9542> dr willis, thanks a lot I was forgetting to umount after every mount.
[06:19] <Admiral_Homework> that's what i do
[06:21] <Dr_willis> disgusting
[06:21] <Dr_willis> dident we have this DIScussion once befor?
[06:21] <intelikey> yeah i think so.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:22] <intelikey> dislexic conversation anyway.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Lexcisic
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Lexdisic
[06:22] <intelikey> oh yeah   sorry my mad
[06:23] <intelikey> by mad
[06:23] <intelikey> krap now you got me doing it.
[06:23] <xp9542> Dr_Willis, one last thing I got a ntfs partition and I wanted to copy all the files from that over into my fat32 partition is there a quick command to do that, I tried cp /media/ntfs /media/fat32 but that doesnt seem to be right
[06:24] <Dr_willis> xp9542,  id cheat and install 'mc' and use it. :)
[06:24] <intelikey> cp -a
[06:24] <Dr_willis> yea - i was thinking cp -a , but ive rarely used that.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> I like the progess dialog of mc.
[06:24] <intelikey> me too
[06:24] <Dr_willis> actually  you sure you want ALL the files?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> no windows swap files, or other cruft is there?
[06:25] <intelikey> pagefiles ?
[06:25] <xp9542> naw theres no windows files on it, was just a storage drive that was formatted as ntfs so its all just doucments and files, i want to convert the ntfs over back to fat32 after so I can get around worrying about ntfs-3g and all that
[06:25] <dope> where can i find an activity log for a specific user account?
[06:26] <xp9542> perfect -a made all the difference thanks interlikey
[06:26] <intelikey> dope unless you have some logging function installed you wont.
[06:26] <intelikey> xp9542 np
[06:26] <dope> waht!@?$
[06:26] <dope> i thought there was an activity log
[06:27] <intelikey> dope you can look in their  ~/.bash_history   but that's about it.
[06:27] <intelikey> if ther use ssh that's generally logged
[06:27] <dope> dammit
[06:27] <intelikey>  /var/log/*   auth* for the ssh stuff
[06:28] <dope> well it's not ssh :/
[06:28] <intelikey> dope there are logging apps that you can have init run at startup. that will track 'almost' all activity  but they are not default.
[06:29] <intelikey> kde may have a logging function built in  but i have never looked for it.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> not that i am aware of.
[06:30] <kaatil> hmm xserver refuse to start up even though i want to delete some section like wacom tablet(so i can get photoshop to work).
[06:30] <kaatil> i am not familiar with xorg.conf though.
[06:31] <intelikey> note.  it is considered a security breach if you log "all" activities.    and in many cases and places illeagle.
[06:32] <dethklok> !ndiswrapper | dethklok
[06:32] <stdin> kaatil: did you remove the parts in " Section "ServerLayout" " too ?
[06:32] <ubotu> dethklok: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:33] <^Rolled> I am really enjoying adept.  It's a very nice app.
[06:33] <intelikey> some love it some hate it.    i'm more of a hater....
[06:33] <kaatil> ah... i see it.. thanks stdin
[06:33] <stdin> kaatil: :)
[06:34] <intelikey> mad hatter ?
[06:34] <stdin> I hate adept
[06:34] <dethklok> wtf, FF keeps crashing
[06:34] <mal> what's a simple way to record source file version changes... like in eclipse, but without using a full blown IDE
[06:34] <kaatil> okay be right back.. restarting xserver. *mutter* :)
[06:34] <intelikey> yes that's why it's so much better than konqeror dethklok
[06:34] <noiesmo> dethklok, is that firefox if so did you add plugins like flash
[06:35] <dethklok> noiesmo, yes
[06:35] <dethklok> and im on ndiswrapper wiki.. no flash
[06:35] <^Rolled> It's a fairly nice graphical package manager .. what's your issue with Adept?
[06:35] <noiesmo> dethklok, hmmm you on edgy 32bit or 64bit
[06:36] <dethklok> 32
[06:36] <intelikey> ^Rolled mine ?
[06:36] <stdin> adept is nice, if you like it simple and featureless :P
[06:36] <dawn> can ubuntu open .sh file extensions?
[06:36] <noiesmo> dethklok, you will have to remove flash to stop firefox from crashing how did you install flash
[06:36] <^Rolled> It's friendly .. that isn't always bad
[06:37] <intelikey> it requires X .
[06:37] <kaatil> okay it work.. photoshop work well.. thanks stdin :)
[06:37] <stdin> dawn: they are shell script, you run them in konsole
[06:37] <stdin> kaatil: no problem :)
[06:37] <^Rolled> hehe .. well not everyone is going to be able to use apt right off the bat
[06:37] <intelikey> dawn short answer.  yes
[06:37] <dawn> stdin, I know that]
[06:37] <dawn> but isn;t there a pre command?
[06:37] <intelikey> sh file.sh
[06:38] <stdin> or "./file.sh
[06:38] <stdin> (without the ) :P
[06:38] <intelikey> or set the permission executable  then  ./file.sh
[06:38] <dethklok> anybody know the respiratory off hand for ndiswrapper?
[06:38] <stdin> or "cat file.sh | sh"
[06:38] <Dr_willis> bash whatvber.sh - may be needed for some badly written ones. :)
[06:38] <stdin> dethklok: it'll be in restricted probably
[06:38] <dethklok> noiesmo, automatic install
[06:38] <intelikey> or . file.sh   for that matter
[06:38] <intelikey> !ndiswrapper
[06:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:39] <intelikey> !info ndiswrapper
[06:39] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in any distro I know
[06:39] <dethklok> stdin, i have all of them uncommented... but apt-cache search isnt finding it
[06:39] <Tido> kaatil: you can make photoshop run in kubuntu?
[06:39] <intelikey> hmm it dont exist
[06:39] <kaatil> yes tido
[06:39] <Tido> what version?
[06:39] <kaatil> 5
[06:39] <dethklok> nevermind, i got it.. its' ndiswrapper-utils
[06:39] <kaatil> :3
[06:39] <stdin> !find ndiswrapper
[06:39] <ubotu> Found: ndiswrapper-common, ndiswrapper-utils, ndiswrapper-utils-1.1, ndiswrapper-utils-1.8, ndiswrapper-source (and 4 others)
[06:39] <Tido> oh
[06:39] <kaatil> it oldest photoshop in existence. lol
[06:40] <kaatil> just kidding.. shrug
[06:40] <dethklok> stdin, yeah got it allready but thx
[06:40] <kaatil> i dunno how old is version 5 anyway
[06:40] <Tido> very old
[06:40] <kaatil> what about yours, tido?
[06:40] <Tido> cs2
[06:40] <kaatil> ah
[06:40] <Tido> 5 was...late 90s
[06:40] <Tido> like 98
[06:40] <noiesmo> dethklok, hmmm I would go here download and then untar put sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/  http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[06:40] <kaatil> if your does not work.. maybe it is because of wacom tablet in xorg.conf.. i dunno.
[06:41] <Tido> I had read people could get older versions of ps to work, but the newer ones are pretty tricky
[06:41] <kaatil> i just removed wacom tablets so photoshop 5 work fine
[06:41] <kaatil> ah
[06:41] <noiesmo> dethklok, I have flash 9 from the above url and no probs at all
[06:41] <stdin> dethklok: ndiswrapper is in the kernel image, as a module
[06:42] <intelikey> in restricted isn't it ?
[06:42] <dawn> ok here is the complete file in its compressed state
[06:42] <dawn> CJLZ600LE-CUPS-1.0-1.TAR.gz
[06:42] <stdin> intelikey: ndiswrapper ?
[06:43] <kaatil> to be honest.. it my first time i ever edited xorg.conf.. phew...
[06:43] <intelikey> i don't have it and i don't have restricted enabled
[06:43] <kaatil> at least i did try anyway :)
[06:43] <dawn> there is .sh file inside uit for a printer driver
[06:43] <intelikey> stdin yes.
[06:43] <Tido> nothing a backup won't save, kaatil :p
[06:43] <kaatil> heh
[06:43] <noiesmo> dethklok, you should be able to modprobe ndiswrapper and you might want ndiswrapper-utils
[06:43] <stdin> intelikey: nope, it's in the "linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic" package here
[06:44] <dethklok> noiesmo, already got it installed :-D
[06:44] <intelikey> stdin hmmm that's edgy   dapper here i think maybe they changed it.
[06:44] <dethklok> (ndiswrapper)
[06:44] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, it was/is separate in dapper
[06:45] <dethklok> ight, I'm stuck though... i just did sudo rmmod bcm43xx and now i get no connection info in iwconfig
[06:45] <noiesmo> dethklok, so yuo need the windows drivers then you do sudo ndiswrapper -i /path/to/driver.inf
[06:45] <dethklok> noiesmo, already have the driver installed
[06:45] <dethklok> dethklok@metal:~/SP23107A$ ndiswrapper -l
[06:45] <dethklok> Installed ndis drivers:
[06:45] <dethklok> bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present
[06:46] <julius> hola, alguien me puede decir como iniciar secion en kubuntu como super usuario (root)????????
[06:46] <noiesmo> dethklok, iwconfig -a
[06:47] <Admiral_Homework> !es | julius
[06:47] <noiesmo> dethklok, ifconfig -a
[06:47] <ubotu> julius: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:47] <intelikey> stdin oh wait.  it was in the kernel package i forgot i removed it.
[06:47] <noiesmo> dethklok, does your card show
[06:47] <intelikey> sorry.
[06:47] <dethklok> dethklok@metal:~/SP23107A$ iwconfig -a
[06:47] <dethklok> -a        No such devic
[06:47] <dethklok> noiesmo, nah im not seeing it
 dethklok, ifconfig -a  <<<>>><dethklok> dethklok@metal:~/SP23107A$ iwconfig -a
[06:48] <intelikey> hehhe
[06:48] <dethklok> omfg, FF crashed again :(
[06:48] <garryb> julio: sudo bash   y ponga pass
[06:48] <dethklok> intelikey, huh?
[06:48] <noiesmo> intelikey, k
[06:49] <^Rolled> I've got a bit of a problem and I am curious if anyone can reproduce it.   When I go into sharing in system settings and I go to file sharing when I enter administrator mode everying remains grey'd out.
[06:49] <dawn> ok ok got this far
[06:49] <intelikey> dethklok last time i checked   f != w
[06:49] <dawn> can I paste 4 lines?
[06:49] <dethklok> noiesmo, so what u got next for me?
[06:49] <sparr> is there a 64-bit version of kubuntu?  notably, with a 64bit kernel on the cd
[06:49] <intelikey> sure      you can get yelled at too tho
[06:49] <dawn> lol
[06:50] <dawn> thats why I was asking
[06:50] <dethklok> intelikey, you cant yell via text ;)
[06:50] <dethklok> !pastebin | dawn
[06:50] <ubotu> dawn: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:50] <intelikey> YES I CAN !
[06:50] <noiesmo> dethklok, not much sorry I had an old dlink pcmcia card and the ndiswrapper worked it showed up in ifconfig- a then i set it with iwconfig wlan0 ip etc sorry
[06:50] <sparr> i prefer rafb.net/paste
[06:51] <intelikey> pastebin.ca   works for me
[06:51] <garryb> when I used IRC 10 years ago we only dreamed of things like pastebins
[06:51] <dethklok> noiesmo, crap... well i know it works.. i have had it working before... i just dont remember the steps i took
[06:51] <Tido> sparr: yeah there's a 64 bit version
[06:51] <dethklok> garryb, why not just open a private channel?
[06:51] <noiesmo> dethklok, bugger google is your friend even maybe check out some gentoo docs might help
[06:51] <Tido> sparr: http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:52] <dawn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2721/
[06:52] <dethklok> noiesmo, mmkay, thanks for trying to help :-D
[06:52] <garryb> we used privmsg
[06:52] <intelikey> we have them
[06:52] <intelikey> !pm
[06:52] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[06:52] <dawn> test | dawn
[06:53] <intelikey> no  /msg dawn something
[06:53] <noiesmo> dethklok, np
[06:53] <sparr> thanks Tido
[06:54] <dawn> (sparr:)   no I was wondering how you get it to say a persons screename like that
[06:54] <sparr> dawn: type it?
[06:54] <sparr> dee, ay, double-u, enn, colon
[06:54] <dawn> no it shows as red with a colon behind the name
[06:54] <intelikey> !bot | dawn
[06:54] <ubotu> dawn: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:54] <dawn> oh so you just type it?
[06:54] <dwidmann> !tab
[06:54] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:55] <sparr> dawn: your client automagically does that when you type nameCOLON
[06:55] <dawn> hmmm
[06:55] <sparr> mine does it for me when someone says MY name  :)
[06:55] <intelikey> sparr doesn't need : for most
[06:55] <sparr> Tido: any pointers on problems i might encounter?  never done 'the 64 bit thing' before
[06:55] <dawn> ubotu: test
[06:55] <ubotu> Failed.
[06:55] <dawn> lol
[06:55] <Tido> well
[06:56] <Tido> the only one I can think of is anything you get as a binary
[06:56] <dwidmann> 64-bit works well
[06:56] <sparr> ubotu: botsnack
[06:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:56] <Tido> like firefox plugins
[06:56] <Tido> otherwise, all should be fine
[06:56] <sparr> binary firefox plugins?  surely you jest
[06:56] <Tido> was thinking I had a problem with flash on 64
[06:56] <sparr> the only thing i plan to get in binary is opera and nvidia drivers
[06:56] <dwidmann> With regards to 64-bit linux, I've actually been working on a script to smooth a few things over
[06:56] <intelikey> sparr wine doesn't work in k8 mode   also a few other things that you can only use in a chroot or vmware env
[06:56] <Tido> you should be fine
[06:56] <dwidmann> http://www.xnowherex.net/simple64/index.php
[06:57] <Tido> so kde4 won't be in the next release?
[06:57] <sparr> wine could be a problem...
[06:58] <dwidmann> sparr: not really
[06:58] <sparr> if it doesnt work, i mean
[06:58] <dethklok> OMFG! damn firefox
[06:58] <stdin> Tido: kde4 is a long time off yet, tho you can get it in edgy now
[06:58] <Tido> ah I'll wait :P
[06:58] <sparr> bah @ kde4.  i still remember when the last big KDE/Qt update hosed my debian box
[06:59] <Eruantalon> stdin: do you know whats keeping it?
[06:59] <dwidmann> when was that sparr?
[06:59] <sparr> wake up one morning and apt-get dist-upgrade...  "9000 packages to be upgraded, 1000 to be removed"
[06:59] <sparr> dwidmann: i dunno, maybe a year and a half ago?
[06:59] <dwidmann> 9000 :O
[06:59] <intelikey> dwidmann why adobe ?  xpdf / kpdf not work for you in k8 ?
[06:59] <sparr> 9000 is stretching it a bit...  at least 2000
[07:00] <dwidmann> they work fine intelikey, just some people are picky that way.
[07:00] <sparr> im picky the other way.  fuck adobe, kpdf all the way.
[07:00] <stdin> Eruantalon: kde4? it's not been that long since work on it started, and there is a *lot* of code to rewrite/clean up
[07:00] <sparr> i use ghostview in windows to avoid adobe
[07:00] <dwidmann> I use kpdf as well
[07:00] <garryb> KPDF is the work of Godly beings
[07:00] <dope> is there a command i can run that'll rescan for all my partitions and automatically mount them?
[07:01] <DBO> sparr, please try to keep the swearing to a bare minimum
[07:01] <Eruantalon> stdin: Ok. I suppose a good long testing period would be a good thing also....
[07:01] <sparr> im moving from debian to kubuntu for my desktop as i build my new PC...  been putting off reinstalling linux for a few months now, but dead hardware has forced my hand
[07:01] <sparr> ive never had to reinstall linux before due to age...
[07:01] <sparr> went over 2 years on that install before the hardware crapped out
[07:02] <dope> any command to rescan and mount harddrives?
[07:02] <stdin> Eruantalon: KDE4 is going to be a major overhaul of the code, there are development releases out now, so apps can be coded/ported to it, but it's not really user ready
[07:02] <sparr> mount -a
[07:03] <dawn> ok I found my solution
[07:03] <dawn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215657
[07:03] <cntb> \o keyboard model and keyboard switching missing.  keyb model grayed what op rfixes this or how alternate CD rescue fixes keyboard . annoying !
[07:04] <sparr> how can i make my right alt/ctrl keys behave like my left alt/ctrl keys for games/apps/menus/etc?
[07:04] <Eruantalon> stdin: Thats what i thought really... libraries and frameworks are done.. just the apps missing. But reconfiguring for qt4 shouldn't be that big of a deal..=?
[07:04] <dope> i set my konqueror to view detailed list but it keeps going back to icons, how do i fix that?
[07:04] <cntb> any ideas guys about keyboard model fixing ? in system settings or elsewhere ?
[07:05] <dope> k bot it
[07:05] <dope> got
[07:05] <^Rolled> and I was half way through typing out a nice answer
[07:05] <Phlosten> dope, wheres the option? i was wondering the same thing today
[07:05] <stdin> Eruantalon: it can be, and there are other things changing in kde4 too, like plasma
[07:05] <Eruantalon> ok
[07:05] <^Rolled> Settings: save view profile
[07:05] <dope> it's settings->save view profile
[07:06] <intelikey> script....
[07:06] <intelikey> for Q in `fdisk -l 2>/dev/null | grep -e '^/' | cut -d' ' -f1 | cut -d/ -f3` ;do mkdir /media/$Q 2>/dev/null ;mount /dev/$Q /media/$Q ;done
[07:06] <Phlosten> easy, i hadnt bothered to look yet
[07:06] <Eruantalon> cntb: Look in system settings under region and language
[07:07] <intelikey> you can sudo that thar ^ if ya want things mounted in /media   ...
[07:07] <intelikey> mounts partitions only.
[07:08] <^Rolled> whats the name of the OS port of realplayer?
[07:08] <intelikey> and if they are M$ then you probably wont have user permissions for but to read.
[07:08] <Phlosten> ^Rolled: Helix?
[07:08] <Eruantalon> ^Rolled: helic
[07:08] <Eruantalon> x
[07:08] <dethklok> i cant find any cool themes... suggestions?
[07:08] <^Rolled> Thanks
[07:09] <intelikey> dethklok icewm ?
[07:09] <dope> dethklown!
[07:09] <stdin> !theme | dethklok
[07:09] <ubotu> dethklok: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[07:09] <^Rolled> Not in adept ... 8(
[07:09] <stdin> dethklok: kde-look.org is a good place to look
[07:09] <dethklok> intelikey, icewm.. what?
[07:10] <^Rolled> kde-look is nice .. sort by most popular .. you will find a lot of good stuff
[07:10] <Eruantalon> ^Rolled: Why do you want it. As far as i know it doesn't eve nsupport rm files....
[07:10] <Phlosten> ^Rolled: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/helix-player
[07:10] <dethklok> Oh, I know where to look for themes... :-p I just cant find any that I like and was asking what you guys use and like...
[07:10] <intelikey> he said cool i figured icewm   cause ice and cool kinda go water and cube dont they....
[07:10] <Phlosten> i've never had much success with Helix
[07:10] <^Rolled> Hrm... why didn't I see it then
[07:10] <Phlosten> ^Rolled: its in universe
[07:10] <^Rolled> ahh
[07:11] <^Rolled> I haven't turned that repo on
[07:11] <Phlosten> that would explain that then :)
[07:11] <intelikey> well what are you waiting for... turn that repo on.
[07:11] <mmaximuss> Helix Player does not play Real Media .rm files
[07:11] <Phlosten> lots more open source goodness including a media player that plays very little media ;)
[07:12] <stdin> ^Rolled: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[07:12] <dethklok> intelikey, dude, i srsly have no idea what your refering to when ever you talk to me.. lol
[07:12] <intelikey> vlc
[07:12] <intelikey> dethklok ok.
[07:13] <intelikey> !icewm
[07:13] <ubotu> icewm: wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.28-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 666 kB, installed size 1696 kB
[07:13] <intelikey> dethklok it was a joke.
[07:13] <cntb> where in /etc is the setting file for keyboard model ? X11 ?
[07:13] <intelikey> cool and ice   you know.
[07:13] <dethklok> intelikey oic
[07:14] <intelikey> you take all the humour out of british humour...
[07:14] <Eruantalon> supposedly kde4 should be as fast as xfce(because of qt4(according to zack rusin)) should be kinda cool.
[07:14] <intelikey> cntb yes
[07:14] <Eruantalon> cntb: yes
[07:14] <Eruantalon> But you can change it in system settigns als
[07:15] <intelikey> cntb /etc/X11/xorg.cong   and  /etc/X11/xkb/*
[07:15] <dethklok> Anybody here that wants to help with wireless?
[07:15] <cntb> tyvm intelikey
[07:16] <intelikey> cntb but you deal yourself a short hand if you don't use  kmenu > system > ....     or just run   kcontrol   and set it in there.
[07:16] <cntb> intelikey: how can Ifix in rescue mode in guided script missing keyboard model and keyboard languge switching
[07:17] <cntb> kcontrol intelikey trying that
[07:17] <dethklok> just wondering, is there a way to check your resolution via the konsole?
[07:18] <jimmy> Wondering how I can add japanese fonts to OpenOffice 2?
[07:19] <MotorCityMadMan> how can i ck if the kernel has enabled a packet socket ?
[07:26] <jordo23> If I have Konversation begin when I login, How can it begin Minimized to the system tray?
[07:27] <cntb> ok in kcontrolkeyboard layout is grayed what to do ?
[07:30] <dethklok> Lol, there is like, nobody helping anybody...
[07:30] <firecrotch> Hey dethklok, did you get your system back up and running normally?
[07:31] <dethklok> firecrotch, i installed edgy, but I can't find anybody that can help me with my wireless
[07:31] <firecrotch> What's wrong with it? Not connecting?
[07:32] <dethklok> Well, I know it works... but I just don't recall how we got it working before
[07:32] <dethklok> I have already used ndiswrapper to install the driver, and it shows that both the driver and hardware are present
[07:34] <dethklok> !wireless
[07:34] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:34] <firecrotch> Are you using wlassistant or KNetworkManager?
[07:36] <dethklok> firecrotch, eh, neither?
[07:36] <firecrotch> So how are you trying to connect to your network?
[07:37] <dethklok> firecrotch, well, i havent yet... because i know i cant until it lights up
[07:37] <dethklok> and it shows up in ifconfig
[07:37] <dethklok> which its not
[07:38] <firecrotch> You have an internal wireless card, right?
[07:38] <verve> firecrotch, haha
[07:38] <verve> nice nick
[07:38] <firecrotch> heh, thanks, verve
[07:38] <dethklok> firecrotchm eh yeah, pci
[07:39] <firecrotch> So the card appears to not be there at all?
[07:39] <dethklok> correct
[07:39] <firecrotch> But you have it configured using ndiswrapper... weird.
[07:40] <dethklok> firecrotch, yeah i know.. it's a b*tch to set up... i have done it twice be4 but its to much for me to renember
[07:40] <firecrotch> Okay... what's the output of "sudo iwconfig" ?
[07:40] <MrWGW_Alt> good evening
[07:40] <MrWGW_Alt> I'm just setting up a Kubuntu system
[07:41] <dethklok> Opps, posting more than 3 lines... lol
[07:41] <dethklok> dethklok@metal:~$ sudo iwconfig
[07:41] <dethklok> lo        no wireless extensions.
[07:41] <dethklok> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[07:41] <dethklok> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[07:41] <dethklok> dethklok@metal:~$
[07:41] <kaatil> spammo....
[07:41] <firecrotch> !spam
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <kaatil> heh
[07:41] <dethklok>  /ban!
[07:41] <firecrotch> Well, no botsnack for you!
[07:42] <dethklok> lol
[07:42] <Jucato> !pastebin | dethklok
[07:42] <ubotu> dethklok: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:42] <stdin> should have typed !flood
[07:42] <dethklok> Jucato, yesss i know... but if you havent noticed.... the channel isnt actice much rite now anyways :-D
[07:43] <Jucato> it's not an excuse
[07:43] <stdin> is the channel ever "actice" ?
[07:43] <stdin> :P
[07:43] <dethklok> stdin, lol :'(
[07:43] <MrWGW_Alt> hey Jucato, are you the same Jucato that was in #kde earlier?
[07:43] <firecrotch> dethklok: what about ifconfig?
[07:43] <MrWGW_Alt> I'm the guy who asked about creating icons, if so
[07:43] <Jucato> yes
[07:43] <MrWGW_Alt> if not, this converation didn't happen :-P
[07:43] <stdin> there is only one Jucato :)
[07:44] <Jucato> stdin: I have clones in my closet
[07:44] <Jucato> :)
[07:44] <MrWGW_Alt> weird, its using my alternate screen name
[07:44] <MrWGW_Alt> I just installed Kubuntu on a laptop that had a hard disk failure day before yesterday
[07:44] <MrWGW_Alt> (obviously, I had the HD replaced)
[07:44] <stdin> Jucato: I have skeletons in mine :P
[07:44] <Jucato> MrWGW_Alt: you're other (primary) nick is still logged in
[07:44] <MrWGW_Alt> whoops
[07:44] <MrWGW_Alt> ha
[07:45] <Jucato> stdin: that's ok. as long as *you* are not in the closet :)
[07:45] <MrWGW_Alt> I had heard horror stories about Linux on laptops, but its working perfectly
[07:45] <dethklok> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2724/
[07:45] <MrWGW_Alt> better than on my desktop
[07:45] <MrWGW_Alt> Stdin, are you ready to come out of the closet?
[07:45] <MrWGW_Alt> Admit it, you use Microsoft Windows as your primary OS
[07:45] <MrWGW_Alt> :-P
[07:46] <MrWGW_Alt> haha
[07:46] <cntb> jucato KDE keyboard variants  not working  in a system that had mbr boot problems where to fix ?
[07:46] <stdin> and I'd never use windows, it's too cold here
[07:46] <Jucato> stdin: which one? the first one he mentioned or the second :)
[07:46] <firecrotch> dethklok: Okay... this may sound dumb... but are you sure that the wireless card is completely plugged in all the way?
[07:46] <stdin> Jucato: not the windows one
[07:46] <Jucato> stdin: lol
[07:46] <MrWGW_Alt> oh also, the wireless card was detected automatically
[07:46] <MrWGW_Alt> this old Dell laptop is working -perfectly-
[07:46] <dethklok> firecrotch, i really dont want to reply to this.... YES!
[07:47] <MrWGW_Alt> easiest Linux install I've ever done
[07:47] <Jucato> cntb: I have o clue about keyboard variants... mine's not working either...
[07:47] <MrWGW_Alt> perfect hardware detection, perfect screen resolution
[07:47] <MrWGW_Alt> Mandriva also detected everything perfectly, but crashed at 95% completion
[07:47] <Jucato> s/o/no
[07:47] <MrWGW_Alt> and after that agony, I decided not to try it again
[07:47] <cntb> ha jucato strange bug ha
[07:48] <Jucato> cntb: annoying too. don't know what I did...
[07:48] <firecrotch> Do you know what the interface was when you were in Dapper? ath0?
[07:49] <dethklok> firecrotch, U asking me?
[07:49] <firecrotch> Sorry, yes, dethklok
[07:50] <dethklok> firecrotch, what do you mean by interface? wlan0 maybe?
[07:50] <shinigami> hi i've got a ipod..can i use it in kubuntu? seems like no itune for linux..
[07:50] <HymnToLife> !ipod | shinigami
[07:50] <ubotu> shinigami: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:50] <firecrotch> dethklok:  you can try "sudo ifup wlan0"
[07:50] <shinigami> !rockbox
[07:50] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:51] <stdin> rockbox rocks the box :)
[07:51] <HymnToLife> agreed
[07:51] <cntb> I have two system in front of me now jucato. one of htem is quite alright . so I guess I must have now the patience to investigate
[07:51] <stdin> if can play frozen bubble on my ipod, i'm happy
[07:52] <firecrotch> dethklok: Anything with that?
[07:52] <dethklok> firecrotchhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2725/
[07:52] <dethklok> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2725/
[07:53] <firecrotch> dethklok: Okay, I'm just a wee bit confused here... is this a desktop with a PCI wireless card?
[07:53] <dethklok> firecrotch, yep
[07:53] <makuseru> how can i rip a CD to an ISO in kubuntu?
[07:55] <HymnToLife> makuseru, dd if=/dev/whatever of=image.iso
[07:55] <makuseru> wow, thats easy
[07:55] <khatahn> makuseru: ...or with k3b
[07:55] <makuseru> i include that "dd if="?
[07:55] <makuseru> k3b rips?
[07:55] <MrWGW_Alt> I noticed, btw, that on this Ubuntu install, the root account has no privileges
[07:55] <shinigami> how do i know my ipod is at where? i typed lsusb and found ipod..fdisk -l ?
[07:55] <MrWGW_Alt> is that a Good Idea (tm)?
[07:55] <shinigami> need to mount it
[07:56] <khatahn> makuseru: you can create an image of the cd with k3b
[07:56] <firecrotch> dethklok: Which version of ndiswrapper are you using?
[07:56] <stdin> MrWGW_Alt: root is disabled, we use sudo
[07:56] <Jucato> !sudo | MrWGW_Alt
[07:56] <ubotu> MrWGW_Alt: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:56] <MrWGW_Alt> ok
[07:57] <MrWGW_Alt> I know what sudo is
[07:57] <dethklok> firecrotch, idk, what ever apt-get gave me
[07:57] <makuseru> how do i create an ISO with k3b?
[07:57] <Jucato> MrWGW_Alt: that page explains why
[07:57] <MrWGW_Alt> I've seen distros with root disabled before
[07:57] <khatahn> makuseru: tools -> copy cd -> Only create image
[07:57] <MrWGW_Alt> although frankly, with any UNIX system being used on the desktop, I think that the dangers are not excessive
[07:57] <makuseru> thanks
[07:57] <^Rolled> autofs always drives me bonkers
[07:57] <MrWGW_Alt> you're probably more at risk running as a limited user than running Linux as root
[07:57] <firecrotch> dethklok: I've read that you need to use ndiswrapper-utils-1.8
[07:57] <MrWGW_Alt> running as a limited user in WIndows, sry
[07:58] <MrWGW_Alt> PC-BSD disables root
[07:58] <dethklok> ight, ill remove my current one
[07:58] <MrWGW_Alt> well, yes and no
[07:58] <MrWGW_Alt> it has flavors
[07:59] <MrWGW_Alt> and PC-BSD is essentially a "distro" of FreeBSD
[07:59] <MrWGW_Alt> but with KDE loaded by default, and other changes
[07:59] <[StingRay] > Hi, stdin :)
[07:59] <MrWGW_Alt> I consider FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD to be flavors, and implementations like NetBSD Live, PC-BSD, DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE to be distros
[07:59] <stdin> hi [StingRay]  :)
[07:59] <MrWGW_Alt> if I'm wrong, pray explain why
[08:00] <Jucato> this is hardly the place to discuss that. feel free to hold on to what you believe is true. no contest
[08:00] <khatahn> any idea why my kaffeine doesn't display videos in correct aspect ratio? a video that _should_ be 640x480, is not as wide as it should be. the problem can be clearly seen in fullscreen mode, where there are black bars in left and right side of the screen, while the video should fill the whole (4:3) screen
[08:00] <MrWGW_Alt> well I'm not a fanatic about it jucato
[08:01] <MrWGW_Alt> if I'm being a moron in regarding PC-BSD as a distro, then, well, I don't want to regard it as a distro
[08:01] <MrWGW_Alt> I love that word "distro", btw
[08:01] <Jucato> I also may be wrong, and just base what I know on what some dev told me. but like I said, this is not the place to discuss it
[08:02] <MrWGW_Alt> ok
[08:02] <dethklok> firecrotch, it working
[08:03] <dethklok> now i just have to remember my wep key :-p
[08:03] <Jucato> kool! Flash 9 final available now! yay :)
[08:03] <MrWGW_Alt> nice
[08:03] <Jucato> !flash9
[08:03] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[08:04] <dethklok> firecrotch, if I recall there is some command I need to do so that it saves these settings...
[08:04] <makuseru> does anyone have the problem of flash obkects placing themselves ontop of everything on the page, so you cant see dropdown menus on the site? and if so how can i fix it?
[08:05] <Jucato> makuseru: you have a site to test it with?
[08:06] <pgdown> makuseru: a decent adblock list would block those
[08:06] <makuseru> jucato: it does it on anysite with dropdown menus, the only one i can think of offhand is gibson.com
[08:06] <HymnToLife> makuseru, ask Adobe to make a decent Flash Player for Linux
[08:06] <Jucato> dropdown menus? wouldn't that be a CSS feature, not flash?
[08:06] <makuseru> pgdown: its not an add, its flash built into the page to show things but it goes above all the dropdowns
[08:06] <makuseru> HymnToLife: youve said that before
[08:06] <pgdown> makuseru: sorry, misread what your wrote
[08:07] <Jucato> hm..
[08:07] <pgdown> yeah that's a bug
[08:07] <pgdown> ive seen it
[08:07] <makuseru> Jucato: its not a menu problem. its flash goign infront of everything
[08:07] <firecrotch> dethklok: sorry, I was in the shower
[08:07] <Jucato> not here
[08:07] <firecrotch> Good to hear that it's working
[08:07] <HymnToLife> makuseru, I don't there's anything else you can do
[08:07] <pgdown> nope
[08:07] <Jucato> makuseru: seems to be working here
[08:07] <makuseru> lol
[08:07] <pgdown> not until adobe works it out
[08:07] <makuseru> hmmm
[08:07] <makuseru> darn
[08:08] <Jucato> flash9 beta
[08:08] <dethklok> firecrotch, do you know that command that im talking about? to save these settings or whatever
[08:08] <Jucato> (currently just upgrading to flash 9 final)
[08:08] <pgdown> gibson site doesnt work for me using firefox2 & flash final
[08:09] <firecrotch> dethklok: I've seen it somewhere... let me try to find it
[08:09] <dethklok> Jucato, do you remember the command? to save the wireless settings so i dont have to redo these settings again?
[08:09] <Jucato> dethklok: I don't even know what it is...
[08:09] <pgdown> command?
[08:10] <Jucato> !flash9
[08:10] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[08:10] <pgdown> just save them in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:10] <dethklok> Jucato, humm, for some reason i thought you had helped me the other day with this...
[08:10] <Jucato> dethklok: definitely not me :)
[08:10] <firecrotch> dethklok: If I recall correctly, you just have to add them - blah pgdown beat me to it
[08:10] <Jucato> Admiral_Sleep: wake up!!
[08:10] <Jucato> Admiral_Sleep: hi :)
[08:11] <Admiral_Sleep> i am awake, supposed to be asleep but reading for class tomorrow.
[08:11] <dethklok> pgdown, how do i do that?
[08:11] <firecrotch> dethklok: nano /etc/network/interfaces
[08:11] <pgdown> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[08:11] <pgdown> control-x to save/exit
[08:11] <Admiral_Sleep> the chicago loco just got a planet, it's pretty sweet.
[08:11] <Admiral_Sleep> pgdown: no ctrl + o
[08:11] <pgdown> right
[08:12] <pgdown> you're from chicago?
[08:12] <Jucato> Admiral_Sleep: yeah, I saw it. you still don't have a hackergotchi
[08:12] <dethklok> WTF?
[08:12] <dethklok> dethklok@metal:~$ sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[08:12] <dethklok> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jan 24 11:01:55 2007
[08:12] <Jucato> uh oh...
[08:12] <firecrotch> dethklok:  Your system's date/time is set wrong
[08:12] <Jucato> try rebooting...
[08:12] <Admiral_Sleep> i mailed one to Nix but it didn't send. will do again.
[08:12] <dethklok> Jucato, but then i lose the settings
[08:13] <pgdown> whats settings?
[08:13] <Jucato> dethklok: hm... try saving whatever you need in a temporary file (owned by you)
[08:13] <Jucato> you can't do anything with sudo as long as that error persists
[08:13] <Jucato> and afaik rebooting is the only way to fix it... afaik.
[08:13] <firecrotch> dethklok: I'm assuming it all consists of commands entered at the command line? If so, you can just use the up arrow to go back to the commands that you've used
[08:14] <dethklok> firecrotch, ok, if i dont return, then well its not working :-p
[08:14] <firecrotch> Wiat
[08:14] <Jucato> too late
[08:14] <firecrotch> I noticed
[08:14] <firecrotch> All he needed was "sudo -k"
[08:14] <pgdown> haha
[08:15] <Admiral_Sleep> way to go, Jucato
[08:15] <Jucato> lol
[08:15] <Jucato> I did say afaik
[08:15] <Jucato> sorry
[08:15] <firecrotch> Jucato: no need to apologize to me
[08:15] <Admiral_Sleep> night
[08:15] <firecrotch> Night :)
[08:15] <Jucato> hehe it's afternoon here :)
[08:15] <pgdown> what's chicago loco?
[08:16] <firecrotch> Jucato: then why are you going to sleep?
[08:16] <Admiral_Sleep> chicago local community
[08:16] <Jucato> because I made a boo-boo...
[08:16] <pgdown> im from chicago
[08:16] <Jucato> :(
[08:16] <Admiral_Sleep> pgdown: iirc, i've seen you before in #ubuntu-chicago
[08:16] <Jucato> but seriously, when I had that timestamp error, rebooting fixed it... no one could tell me about sudo -k
[08:17] <cntb> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability jucato
[08:17] <firecrotch> I didn't know about it either until I google "timestamp too far in the future"