[01:31] <espen77> how you start the u1 gui to register a new box, cant seem to find the icon.
[02:30] <sanal_madatheth> hello friends
[02:31] <sanal_madatheth> i dont know whether it's the right place to ask such adoubt....
[02:34] <sanal_madatheth> when upgraded my virtual console font changes to Latin when left alt pressed
[02:35] <sanal_madatheth> really idont need that font in virtual console
[02:35] <sanal_madatheth> how to change that
[02:35] <sanal_madatheth> please help
[02:36] <virtuald> !support
[02:37] <sanal_madatheth> ubottu, thanks
[02:40] <ari-tczew> sanal_madatheth: if you're running natty, you should ask here. if not, ask on #ubuntu
[02:47] <oOarthurOo> Just did an lsmod because I was thinking about undervolting the cpu.. but I don't see it. Is acpi-cpufreq built into the kernel instead of as a module?
[03:00] <oOarthurOo> yup it is
[03:00] <oOarthurOo> how odd
[03:56] <Roasted> Does anybody know if it's possible to install the compiz plugin of "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" that comes with 11.04, but on 10.10?
[08:02] <cdbs> Many buttons on windows and links in applications aren't clickable
[08:02] <cdbs> s/applications/websites/
[08:03] <cdbs> basically, it appears that the mouse doesn't even respond
[08:03] <cdbs> I have to use the keyboard for clicking sometimes
[08:03] <cdbs> are others facing the same problem?
[08:08] <cdbs> A square of the screen has become unresponsive. Any button or link there cannot be clicked. If I move the window out of that area, then it runs fine
[08:36] <kklimonda> yeah, I've just noticed that today
[08:40] <magn3ts> Any tips on all my gnome-panels crashing on login w/ natty?
[08:41] <magn3ts> s/s/ applets/
[08:42] <magn3ts> honestly, this might be a bug.
[08:42] <magn3ts> I think gnome-panel was configured to run because of my lack of 3d graphics and it's sitll trying to do so.
[08:46] <magn3ts> Ugh, it gives me a "Unity is not supported" message... even though I have guest additions installed... AND it still starts Unity anyway.
[08:49] <twager> After the latest updates I get a complete system freeze within 5 minutes of running
[09:13] <Ian_Corne> Anyone tried the 270.18 driver yet?
[09:40] <chaospsychex> i have a question....
[09:40] <chaospsychex> i installed 10.10
[09:40] <chaospsychex> when i click on system > about ubuntu, it says i am using 11.04 which was released in april 2011!
[09:41] <chaospsychex> that's impossible though
[09:41] <chaospsychex> so i am wondering if i unknowingly upgraded to 11.04 somehow?
[09:42] <chaospsychex> can you upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 through the update manager?
[09:42] <chaospsychex> lsb_release says I am using 10.10
[09:52] <Ian_Corne> yes chaospsychex you can
[09:52] <Ian_Corne> if you run update-manager -d
[09:52] <Ian_Corne> chaospsychex: don't worry
[09:52] <Ian_Corne> my about ubuntu says that too
[09:53] <Ian_Corne> On my 10.10 machine
[09:53] <Ian_Corne> must be a bug
[09:59] <tom__> morn
[09:59] <tom__> natty asks me to create an ubuntu one account on every login
[09:59] <tom__> there's no tickbox to say sod off
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:00] <sanal_madatheth> Dear all,I'm running ubuntu Natty and after upgrading console font becomes Latin
[13:01] <sanal_madatheth> left alt key changes it.Really i dont want latin in virtual console.
[13:01] <sanal_madatheth> How can i remove that.
[13:02] <sanal_madatheth> which package,i should remove for that?plz help
[13:03] <sanal_madatheth> I just want to remove the package switching console font to Latin...
[13:04] <qzio> is it safe to install console-setup nowdays?
[13:05] <sanal_madatheth> qzio, it was my ignorance that made it install...
[13:05] <sanal_madatheth> any way out?
[13:05] <qzio> not sure, I just installed console-setup...
[13:06] <sanal_madatheth> what was the change happened in console?
[13:06] <sanal_madatheth> with ur installation?
[13:08] <sanal_madatheth> qzio, plz share ur experiences
[13:09] <qzio> I haven't noticed anything... yet. I'm on a desktop...
[13:09] <qzio> don't have time to reboot or anything. I'm at work.
[13:09] <sanal_madatheth> ok
[13:47] <Roasted> Does anybody know if it's possible to install the compiz plugin of "Ubuntu Unity Plugin" that comes with 11.04, but on 10.10?
[13:58] <Daekdroom> quadrapassel is no longer a desktop-recommends of ubuntu-meta :(
[14:09] <histo> Having an issue with xfce 4.8. If I browse to a samba share gvfs mounts it etc... However thunar doesn't showw the mount nor does it get placed on the desktop.  Anyone else experiencing this?
[15:54] <genii-around> What is this screen that keeps wanting me to login to api.opendesktop.org every boot now?
[15:56] <gpc> some theme you installed maybe?
[15:56] <gpc> no clue to tell you the truth
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Never saw that, really.
[15:57] <Daekdroom> But it prompts me for a Ubuntu One account every boot
[15:57] <Daekdroom> and that must be equally annoying
[15:59] <genii-around> gpc: No custom themes, etc. Perhaps it's a KDE plasma thing though. Happens only on netbook and not on laptop. Both have 64bit installed
[16:09] <galamar> hello
[16:12] <galamar> i am having problems with mencoder i get ....."Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec libfaac.".... i have installed libfaac0 and most of the gstreamer plugins (all in progress)..... any ideas on this?
[16:16] <galamar> i am having problems with mencoder i get ....."Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec libfaac.".... i have installed libfaac0 and most of the gstreamer plugins (all in progress)..... any ideas on this?
[16:18] <Daekdroom> galamar, no need to repeat that often, really.
[16:27] <galamar> that was a keyb error sorry
[16:31] <BluesKaj> galamar, make sure you have ffmpeg and ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[16:41] <galamar> BluesKaj: okay i installed ffmpeg and i still get the same error
[16:42] <galamar> BluesKaj: is there maybe something wrong with the command im using?
[16:43] <patdk-wk> hmm, I didn't think libfaac was in ubuntu at all, but only medibuntu
[16:44] <patdk-wk> oh it is, hmm
[16:44] <galamar> libfaac0 is
[16:46] <galamar> is there another way to convert avi to mp4 something with a GUI maybe?
[16:47] <patdk-wk> doesn't that depend on the avi
[16:48] <patdk-wk> galamar, why would you be attempting to do that in natty anyways?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> galamar, yes ffmpeg can do that , check out the site or man ffmpeg in the cli
[16:48] <galamar> cause i wanna put this avi on my ipod but there is no player that supports avi so i need mp4
[16:51] <ChogyDan> galamar: I use avidemux to transcode videos
[16:51] <galamar> ok ffmpeg wants to run but this is in red"[mp3 @ 0x238a3e0]Header missing"
[16:52] <galamar> is it okay to continue?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> galamar, backup your existing file in another folder before experimenting
[16:54] <galamar> ok
[16:56] <galamar> is it dangerous to leave a root term open as i work on things?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> galamar,
[16:57] <BluesKaj> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/avi-and-mp4-converter-32163.shtml
[16:59] <BluesKaj> galamar, I assume you're running gnome and this might work , but with devel OSs one can't be sure
[16:59] <galamar> okay that doesnt download it just links to a page with code on it?
[16:59] <galamar> yes gdm
[17:02] <BluesKaj> galamar, there's supposed to be a script that runs in nautilus to convert
[17:02] <BluesKaj> anyway, gotta go , bbl
[17:02] <galamar> how do i use those scripts
[17:09] <galamar> how can i get the ipv4 ip of my router
[17:10] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:11] <galamar> hi
[17:11] <rork> galamar: for the internal network? I usually do a traceroute, the first hop is my router
[17:12] <galamar> well i have a vncviewer from my ipod touch working on the local network but i wanna do it from anywhere not just local
[17:14] <pr0ph3t> I have a problem with my 3g integrated modem, basically I cannot connect, in practice it seems there is no signal, i.e. the radio is off, but in windows works fine, in exactly the same spot. I have a Asus UL30A-QX328V Laptop, running Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 64 bit with kernel 2.6.37-12-generic, any help would be greatly appreciated
[17:19] <pr0ph3t> please, someone
[17:39] <galamar> how can i vnc to my desktop over the internet... i believe i just need the correct address format <IP_ADDRESS>?<IP_ADDRESS>::0000
[17:43] <bluefrog> galamar, you need to know the public IP of your router first, then NAT the necessary port (router --> the machine you want to take remote control of)
[17:45] <galamar> NAT? how do i do that
[17:45] <bluefrog> galamar, but NAT ssh and then do a port forwarding to connect to VNC thru ssh would be more senible
[17:45] <bluefrog> sensible
[17:46] <galamar> but im new to vnc
[17:46] <bluefrog> galamar, then you must read and learn
[17:46] <bluefrog> google nat routeur vnc port forwarding ssh
[17:47] <galamar> i know how to get into my router and setup port forwarding but i dont know what name to put on the program? and it says i cant have intersecting ports
[17:48] <bluefrog> nat ssh port 22 of your router to port 22 of your machine
[17:52] <BluesKaj> galamar, you should edit your /etc/hosts.allow file to list the IPs with portmap on your network as in : http://paste.ubuntu.com/469502/
[17:53] <galamar> bluefrog: okay so in my router i have setup like this " inbound port 22-22 .. type both .. ip <IP_ADDRESS> .. private port 22-22"   ?
[17:54] <bluefrog> yes
[17:54] <bluefrog> so every incoming call on 22 on your router is redirected to 22 on your machine
[17:54] <galamar> does that take care of the NAT thing you were talking about
[17:56] <bluefrog> yes. now to use VNC thru ssh you will need first to "initialise" the ssh connection ssh -L 5901:localhost:5900 user@your-remote-machine the launch VNC viewer on your ipod and ask to connect to localhost:5901
[17:56] <bluefrog> (the ssh command line must be run from your ipod
[17:56] <galamar> i already have it working on the local network..
[17:57] <bluefrog> pad I guess not pod
[17:57] <bluefrog> if you want to attack your machine directly with VNC then you need to NAT vnc port (5900 and/or 5800)
[17:58] <galamar> what does NAT stand for
[17:59] <bluefrog> netwotk address translation which is btw incorrect because in our casewe are doing PAT port address translation
[17:59] <bluefrog> but we usually say NAT even for that
[18:00] <galamar> ok.. i dont see any optins for that in my router?
[18:00] <bluefrog> huh? you told me you had..
[18:00] <bluefrog> oh you mean PAT?
[18:01] <bluefrog> yes it's an abuse of language to NAT for everything but this is the way it is
[18:01] <bluefrog> to use NAT
[18:01] <galamar> the part i adjusted the ports on was under the firewall tab on my router
[18:02] <bluefrog> correct (well you find it there and it works then it is correct for your router)
[18:04] <galamar> yeah i added the port forwarding to the virtual servers.. maybe its the wrong place
[18:06] <galamar> bluefrog: oh i found a way to place my pc outside of the NAT should i do that
[18:12] <galamar> bluefrog: thank you .. i think i got it but i will have to test for sure when i am not on my local network
[19:22] <dupondje> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
[19:22] <dupondje> how to remove this message when opening a terminal ?
[19:31] <marcobiscaro2112> run at terminal:
[19:31] <marcobiscaro2112> touch .sudo_as_admin_successful
[19:31] <marcobiscaro2112> in your home folder
[19:32] <marcobiscaro2112> but this is a bug, this file must be created automaticly when the sudo is successful authenticated
[19:39] <marcobiscaro2112> dupondje: a bug is now filled in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/707101
[19:40] <dupondje> oh ok thx marcobiscaro2112
[21:17] <BUGabundo> \o
[21:17] <Daekdroom> o/
[21:45] <FloridaGuy> kubuntu kde 4.6...right click on panel icon...icon setting....change the icon to what i want..and it will not change
[22:00] <BUGabundo> so are we going to end up with 2.6.38?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> ppl are saying its *really* fast
[22:02] <galamar> is there a way to start a vnc process at boot?
[22:02] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, I think 2.6.38 is what they planned on UDS
[22:04] <BUGabundo> nice
[22:05] <yofel> yeah, that super patch that was supposed to make everything faster is in 2.6.38 ^^
[22:05] <Daekdroom> "was supposed to"?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> yep yofel
[22:05] <yofel> well, I didn't test it yet
[22:05] <BUGabundo> its int kernel ppa
[22:05] <BUGabundo> yofel: a friend did, and found it much faster
[22:06] <yofel> cool
[22:13] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, 2.6.38 will be in if it's released until April 14
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:14] <Daekdroom> According to the kernel team's wiki


[02:39] <kernelpnc> Hello! Is there any info on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1289047 ? Like, is the cause in the kernel, wifi-module or hostapd itself?
[03:09] <Laibsch> How can I deal with bug 1291262?
[08:53] <Laibsch> How can I deal with bug 1291262 to continue with the upgrade?
[08:56] <Guest57315> Hi.  Is it possible to install restricted extras in Kubuntu 14.04 beta?
[08:57] <Guest57315> "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"  results in "E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[09:05] <Laibsch> Guest57315: that package is in multiverse
[09:06] <Guest57315> Laibsch: thanks, I'll see if I have that repo.
[09:09] <Guest57315> Laibsch: multiverse is enabled, but it seems to be pulling it from the live DVD.  maybe it can't get packages from the DVD?
[09:09] <Guest57315> or maybe it's trying the other optical drive address
[09:10] <Guest57315> directory, not address.
[09:50] <Guest57315> Laibsch: I finally got it to work.  Thanks again :)
[09:51] <Laibsch> Guest57315: good to hear
[09:57] <Laibsch> How can I deal with bug 1291262 to continue with the upgrade?
[10:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:55] <novid_> hello all
[10:56] <novid_> I want to running a script when system is boot on ubuntu 14.04
[10:56] <novid_> i add it to /etc/network/if-up.d/ folder
[10:59] <novid_> i can  run it manually but it dont automatically run when booting system all of its's line
[11:02] <novid_> maybe apparmor  stop running the script automatically ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:11] <dougl> morning ladies and gents
[15:16] <kernelpnc> Does anyone have any info on bug 1289047, like possible causes (hostapd doesn't seem to be it) and a timeframe for a fix?
[15:39] <Laibsch> How can I deal with bug 1291262 to continue with the upgrade?
[15:41] <dougl> BluesKaj, yo fel appachelogger iko nia 1lk helped me thru it all - thank god too... I needed distractions yesterday cuz I had to put down my old dog.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> bummer about your old dog, i know the feeling :\
[15:43] <BluesKaj> dougl,^
[15:47] <dougl> BluesKaj, pm?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> dougl, sure
[16:00] <basketball> The following packages have been kept back:
[16:00] <basketball>   usb-modeswitch-data
[16:00] <basketball> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[16:06] <dog-food> when I type in bash rm ~/Downloads/ and hit tab it doesnt show files only directories
[16:06] <dog-food> same for rm
[16:14] <dog-food> this sucks
[16:16] <dog-food> %¤/¤/¤(
[16:46] <dkessel> dog-food: that is a known bug. bug 1288031
[16:53] <basketball> how do i downgrade version of dropbox
[17:41] <jetsaredim> is there a way to get unity to only show the clock and notification area on one screen when in a dual screen config?
[18:14] <v2> Just tried 14.04 DVD with the Radeon HD3870X2 - doesn't work.    Keyboard lights (num, caps) also stop working.  CTRL-ALT-F1 - F12/DEL does nothing  It does power off cleanly (did not have to hold the power button).
[19:42] <wander> can someone confirm pretty high cpu usage with compiz on 14.04 when there is some display area that gets updated/drawn alot? e.g. the spectrum visualization in audacious or deadbeef
[19:43] <wander> by pretty high I mean ~20% on a thinkpad t420
[20:21] <dkessel> wander: i am trying audacious. the opengl spectrum analyzer?
[20:22] <dkessel> wander: tried both the opengl and non-opengl analyzer. nothing happening which i would call cpu usage
[22:57] <tomreyn> hi! is radeon DPM enabled by default in 14.04 ?


[00:00] <daftykins> ooh mini dog
[00:00] <intrbiz> election night beer here
[00:02] <shauno> ch4's coverage is so cringy I'm embarrassed to admit I'm enjoying it
[00:02] <daftykins> different government bed night here :>
[00:03] <daftykins> have they cracked out a tag cloud yet?
[00:03] <daftykins> "here's some meaningless rubbish that keeps at least one extraneous staff member employed"
[00:04] <Seeker`> that exit poll certainly made things interesting
[00:04] <intrbiz> indeed
[00:07] <intrbiz> the change away from lib dem is severe so far
[00:07]  * popey returns from election-night dishwasher-empty-and-refill with election-night wine and election-night hula-hoops
[00:07] <popey> living the dream
[00:08] <daftykins> which flavour hula hoops? ... it's important
[00:08] <popey> ready salted
[00:08] <popey> first ones that came out of the cupboard
[00:08] <daftykins> :D
[00:09] <daftykins> i think McCoys reign #1 for me still
[00:09] <daftykins> of all such savoury snacks
[00:09] <popey> only saw them because I was putting away election-night chinese-take-away containers which live in the same cupboard as election-night hula-hoops
[00:09] <popey> now, if we're talking about the king of snacks...
[00:10] <daftykins> :O
[00:10] <popey> Snyders Hot Buffalo Wing
[00:10] <daftykins> i've not had chinese in a while again
[00:10] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0087C9S9C
[00:10] <popey> those bad boys
[00:10] <popey> or, indeed, girls
[00:11] <daftykins> :O that's worryingly impulse buy worthy
[00:11] <intrbiz> the jalapeno ones are good
[00:11] <popey> see also http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003SEHZF8
[00:11] <popey> yes
[00:11] <popey> *Bursting with flavour*
[00:12] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4khxeru5hs
[00:23] <intrbiz> interesting, turnout dropped from 77% in 1992 to 59% in 2001
[00:30] <ali1234> argh... stupid spi chip won't read when the cpu is in reset
[00:30] <ali1234> and the cpu keeps interrupting transfers
[00:31] <ali1234> going to have to do this the hardway then
[00:56] <Azelphur> Currently using NFS for file shares, thinking I should switch to something else over security concerns, it only locks to IP and I want to make my share writable, have this nightmare scenario of someone visiting me one time, jumping on my WiFi, and getting cryptolockered or something :)
[00:56] <Azelphur> Suggestions of alternative file sharing solutions, or ways to make NFS better?
[01:06] <ali1234> make a guest network
[01:07] <Azelphur> well, I want guests to have access to my network too, I have a RO share exposed so they can access stuff
[01:07] <Azelphur> and I generally want machines in the LAN to be able to talk to each other, just not be able to write to each other :)
[01:09] <directhex> use cifs!
[01:09] <directhex> finer grained access control than nfs
[01:10] <Azelphur> I just googled CIFS and I'm confused, I get lots of shit about Windows Shares?
[01:10] <Laney> here we go
[01:10] <Azelphur> is CIFS and SMB the same? XD
[01:10] <ali1234> yes
[01:10] <Azelphur> ah
[01:10] <ali1234> still better than NFS
[01:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: weird I'm sure it was you who told me to use NFS in the first place...
[01:10] <Azelphur> (this was years ago)
[01:10] <ali1234> i doubt it
[01:11] <ali1234> i tell people not to use NFS all the time
[01:11] <Azelphur> I see
[01:11] <Azelphur> so that's fairly unanimous then, stop using NFS and start using SMB/CIFS? any recommended docs to follow?
[01:12] <ali1234> i would probably go with a combination of upnp for read-only media shares, and sshfs for everything else
[01:12] <Azelphur> sshfs is slow as balls though
[01:12] <ali1234> use arcfour cipher then
[01:12] <ali1234> or "none", then it is still authenticated
[01:12] <Azelphur> also kinda want something XBMC/Kodi supports, so SMB ticks that box too
[01:13] <ali1234> so does upnp
[01:13] <Azelphur> uPnP can't write though :)
[01:13] <ali1234> how often do you edit your collection of pirate tv shows? ;)
[01:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: every time I watch, Kodi updates the NFO file with watched status.
[01:13] <ali1234> that's... stupid
[01:13] <Azelphur> that's... functional baring in mind I have multiple Kodi instances
[01:14] <daftykins> i've always used samba with kodi
[01:14] <daftykins> works just dandy :>
[01:14] <ali1234> yeah samba will work
[01:14] <Azelphur> just to clear up my head, what's the distinction here between CIFS and SMB?
[01:14] <ali1234> CIFS is like samba 2.0
[01:15] <Azelphur> so is there a CIFS server, or is it still called Samba?
[01:15] <ali1234> still called samba
[01:16] <Azelphur> righto, thanks :)
[01:16] <ali1234> the "standard" they are all based on is called server message block
[01:16] <ali1234> "samba" is just one implementation
[01:17] <intrbiz> jCIFS
[01:17] <intrbiz> being another
[06:07] <ali1234> okay i finally got a clean dump
[06:08] <ali1234> the rom has compressed sections which get uncompressed into ram by the first stage bootloader
[06:08] <ali1234> but i don't know what arch this thing is... it's probably mips
[06:08] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11021051/ sections all start with "9ZZ"
[06:09] <ali1234> anyone recognize this compression?
[06:10] <ali1234> "zip2006" apparently
[06:11] <ali1234> it's not going to be complicated, the decompressor is like 300 bytes
[06:25] <ali1234> okay, found all the strings it looks for from the modem, no sign of the strings it sends though
[06:27] <ali1234> "Warring: SP1000 Decode code Load ERROR Please Contact sunpirit and reboot system"
[07:05] <diplo> Morning all
[07:11] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:14] <knightwise> Good mornin MooDoo , diplo
[07:14]  * knightwise is curious if he is going to get a TV Crew or the Newspaper at his house today
[07:23] <MooDoo> knightwise: why would you?
[07:28] <MooDoo> knightwise: are you anything to do with the election?
[07:36] <knightwise> no no :) i live in Belgium remember :)
[07:37] <knightwise> my company is celebrating its one year anniversary and we might get showcased in a news report about 'starting entrepreneurs'
[07:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:43] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[07:43] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[07:51] <MooDoo> knightwise: ah of course, well fingers crossed for you
[07:52] <brobostigon> shame about the election result, i would have hoped, the british public would have got rid of the right wing nutters we have in government.
[07:53] <MooDoo> yeah well that can go to #ukpolotics can't it :p
[07:53] <brobostigon> polotics? whats that?
[07:53] <knightwise> MooDoo: thanx :) kinda nervous about it.
[07:53] <MooDoo> typo, i'm a right wing nutter that can't type yet lol
[07:54] <knightwise> usually when i'm in front of a camera, I have a say in whats going to happen.
[07:54] <brobostigon> i see, MooDoo
[07:54] <brobostigon> mind you, there was much worse right wing nutters, that were standing as well.
[07:55]  * brobostigon is generalising, that people who are right wing, are also nutters,
[07:55] <MooDoo> :D
[08:08] <popey> morning
[08:09] <MooDoo> morning popey
[08:09] <popey> brobostigon: i agree with you. depressing isn't it
[08:09] <bashrc_> g'day
[08:09] <knightwise> mornin popey
[08:09] <brobostigon> very much so popey
[08:09] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:09] <knightwise> hey bashrc_
[08:09] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[08:12] <brobostigon> as my dad said, do people has such short memories about the conservatives in the 80's.
[08:12] <brobostigon> have*
[08:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> brobostigon: Time to ditch first-past-the-post I reckon.
[08:15] <popey> its always been time to ditch fptp
[08:15] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:15] <brobostigon> agreed.
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> But then the peasants would have to be listened to!
[08:16] <davmor2> +1 on ditching fptp
[08:16] <popey> make it happen davmor2
[08:16] <popey> chop chop
[08:16] <TwistedLucidity> Can't have the proles deciding things. If they were any good at life, they'd all be rich and stuff.
[08:16]  * davmor2 touches the post that'll break it
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> Hang on, who won South Thanet?
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> Sorry "Thanet South"
[08:18] <foobarry> there are counting thanet south later this morning
[08:19] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
[08:19] <TwistedLucidity> Oooo, the tension is palpable
[08:19] <popey> thats quite a sea of blue & yellow
[08:20] <foobarry> maggie simpson
[08:20] <TwistedLucidity> The swing to the SNP is a bit of a shock - why now *after* the referendum? It's too late
[08:20] <popey> they will re-run it
[08:21] <popey> maybe as soon as 2 years from now
[08:21] <TwistedLucidity> "You will keep voting until you make the correct choice!"
[08:21] <popey> indeed
[08:21] <TwistedLucidity> Isn't that how the EU works?
[08:21] <bashrc_> :)
[08:21] <popey> "once in a lifetime"
[08:22] <bashrc_> looks like a conservative landslide, with the libdems demolished
[08:22] <popey> however I actually think they should split off, wales too
[08:22] <popey> and cornwall.
[08:23] <popey> kernow
[08:25] <foobarry> before i was a no, now i'm a yes
[08:25] <foobarry> but they don't give us englishers the vote on scotland
[08:36] <TwistedLucidity> I think the North should split from from South; the economies are so different.
[08:37] <TwistedLucidity> London should aslo split - different again
[08:37] <TwistedLucidity> In fact, just keep splitting until we are our own countries.....
[08:38] <TwistedLucidity> "And the abassador from 23 Barnacle Grove is....Ms Amber Miggins."
[08:52] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: no the germans tell europe what to do and they do it
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Well, they are paying for it after all....
[09:02] <davmor2> where's jamestait already
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy No Socks Day! 😃
[09:05] <foobarry> and VE day
[09:07] <davmor2> JamesTait: I have no socks already I must of known that or work from home
[09:08] <davmor2> foobarry: yeah which we don't celebrate because we won........wait a minute......we don't have Saint Georges day off and the French celebrate us winning......what's wrong with this Country :D
[09:10] <foobarry> maybe VE day could replace may day?
[09:10] <foobarry> the 2nd monday in may might be warmer too
[09:15] <JamesTait> foobarry, maybe it's just me, but it feels like the bank holidays could be spread out better.
[09:15] <bashrc_> indeed. More bank holidays should be invented
[09:15] <bashrc_> to fill the gaps
[09:16] <JamesTait> That could work. ☺
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> Nah. We need to improve worker flexibility and productivity to boost the economoy and stimulate growth. Time to axe Bank Holidays.
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> And weekends
[09:19] <nucc1> hi guys, anyone know how i can get that keyboard layout detector that runs during the installer to run now?
[09:20] <nucc1> i'm running an ubuntu vm on a mac and the keyboard is nigh unusable
[09:20] <nucc1> all the layouts I've tried seem to be doing nothing
[09:22]  * awilkins plugs in an external keyboard when he has to support a Mac
[09:23] <awilkins> The main reason I'll never buy a Mac - the special snowflake keyboard layout
[09:23] <awilkins> Why they think moving all the programmers characters like curly braces is a good idea I'll never know
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> nucc1: Do you have an input switcher icon in the task bar? There was a bit of a problem with Ubuntu always using EN-us a while back, not sure if that affected layout as well.
[09:24] <nucc1> i do have a UK keyboard plugged in. it's docked
[09:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:24] <nucc1> it works fine on the mac itself, but the VM seems to be totally confused
[09:24] <nucc1> TwistedLucidity: yes, the switcher appears to be having no effect
[09:25] <nucc1> and to make it even more interesting, when i attempt to launch the control panel keyboard applet in ubuntu, it crashes and asks me to send a report
[09:25] <popey> czajkowski: you have an x1 carbon right?
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> nucc1: You could try looking up how to change the input on an Ubuntu server; the same config changes/tools should work on desktop
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> Unless other people have a better idea?
[09:28] <nucc1> no use. when i type: "a, ubuntu prints ä
[09:28] <nucc1> almost like the alt gr key is stuck, but it definitely isnt.
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> How utterly bizzare!
[09:33] <nucc1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration seems to be the magic
[09:33] <nucc1> just did that and rebooted and it's more sane. I chose mac from the list of available keyboards
[09:34] <nucc1> i chose a mac because it's got a retina screen, really that's the only reason. it's not proven to be any more reliable or stable than linux on bare hardware was for me
[09:35] <nucc1> well, and battery life is light years ahead of everything else.
[09:36] <foobarry> garage lost thanet south (as predicted)
[09:37] <MooDoo> 300 votes for al murray though lol
[09:37] <nucc1> conservatives seem to be in the lead according to the Goog
[09:38] <MooDoo> well in the lead, 5 away from majority
[09:38] <foobarry> the real al murray guy seems quite similar to nige
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> nucc1: Lots of good things to be said about Apple hardware. Unfortunately there's lots of bad things to be said about it and their business practices as well.
[09:39] <foobarry> loves cricket, and the war, and drining pints
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> For design and attention to detail, Apple are second-to-none. No denying that.
[09:39] <nigelb> me?
[09:39] <foobarry> may nigelb too
[09:39] <foobarry> maybe#
[09:39] <TwistedLucidity> Just a shame their WiFi support is such utter garbage (IME at least)
[09:40] <foobarry> looks like the seat was too tight to make silly votes like lib dem and al murray
[09:40] <foobarry> and al-zebabist nation of ooog
[09:41]  * TwistedLucidity ponders forming a single-issue party that will bring PR into law, then immediately stand-down and hold an election
[09:41] <awilkins> Yeah, I'd love to see magsafe connectors on regular laptops
[09:42]  * TwistedLucidity promises not to become power hungry.....
[09:42] <awilkins> As long as the module was user-replaceable because I hear the contacts wear out
[09:44] <directhex> magsafe is dead
[09:44] <directhex> all hail usb3.1 type c
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Well it is replacable; buy a new Mac!
[09:44] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32622224
[09:44] <foobarry> "For people to be working at night, weekends and holiday on emails is not good for the health of our country," the professor told the BBC.
[09:45] <nucc1> another schmuck with a mic :p
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> I never check email when off-hours unless there was something urgent I couldn't finish and need some info.
[09:45] <nucc1> i check because i don't have a life.
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> If there is a disaster, they have my number and can call
[09:46] <nucc1> and i like the fact that i can ignore it, because i'm not at work
[09:46] <czajkowski> popey: I do
[09:46] <czajkowski> my lovely pretty X1
[09:47] <TwistedLucidity> But I do get swamped with email. Must be upwards of a hundred a day - most of it irrelevant garbage I don't need.
[09:47] <TwistedLucidity> Marked "URGENT! MUST READ!"...usually from sales types where everything is urgent....
[09:47] <shauno> nucc1: the best solution I've found for the keyboard layout, is to look for an ISO US layout.  it's not perfect, but it's much more usable
[09:48] <awilkins> I like the notion that Atos is trying to phase out email altogether
[09:48] <awilkins> Other collaboration tools are definitely a better idea
[09:48] <shauno> (I've tried to find a better solution, but xkb is a dark dark place)
[09:48] <awilkins> Would like to see a hybrid between a ticket tracker, a wiki, and Google Wave
[09:49] <foobarry> "We need to ban emails [sent and received] within the same building," he said, advocating instead for face-to-face meetings and phone calls
[09:49] <foobarry> oh, thats just silly now
[09:49] <awilkins> I think things are slowly converging into that kind of thing
[09:49] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: People who send documents by email (rather than placing them into the database) and then expect you to retain it in Outlook for X years need to be shot.
[09:49] <nucc1> foobarry: that's why i said "another schmuck with a mic".
[09:49] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, If I was emperor of the company I'd ban document attachments in favour of cloud documents and other collaborative editing for a month
[09:49] <nucc1> TwistedLucidity: putting the document in a database/CMS doesn't necessarily make it easy to find.
[09:50] <shauno> indeed.  most our documents live in lotus scariness, which is why we just mail them
[09:50] <foobarry> the amount of allegedly technical IT people who struggle to use a wiki is unbelieveable
[09:50] <TwistedLucidity> Also, an email is a company record and subject to retention which may cause problems (unless you suddenly change your retention policy, err, I could cite some recent hacking scandals). Face-to-face convo's are off record.
[09:50] <awilkins> We had a document repository
[09:50] <nucc1> my solution is to simply put things i think i'll need in an email folder called "Reference"
[09:50] <awilkins> Literally no-one used it
[09:50] <foobarry> even linux people i've seen strugggle
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> nucc1: It makes it very easy to find.   I haven't yet found one where I can trust a user to edit a table without having to go clean up after them
[09:53] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Gollum wiki? (or other wiki in a VCS)?
[09:53] <bashrc_> if wikis aren't actively curated then they tend to turn into spam over time
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Hmm...not sure how that would work really. I guess one could to the auditing and e-signing in a VCS; but would be clunky.
[09:54] <shauno> especially anything that uses colspan or rowspan.  doubly-so anything that expects the user to add the correct values for same said
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> Also, printing it would could be problematic I guess.
[09:54] <foobarry> shauno: i use twiki and enforce raw edit mode
[09:54] <foobarry> my "users" are technical though
[09:54] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, For a while I was trying to foster the use of pull requests as a means of editing all our collaborative works
[09:55] <foobarry> markdown + github could be a next step though..
[09:55] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, People use Markdown to write print books - don't see why printing it can't work
[09:55] <awilkins> And haven't you heard - print is dead ;-)
[09:55] <shauno> most of ours are hardware-technical, not markup-technical
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: I was more thinking of Contents, Intro, Chapters, Glossary, Index etc
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> And then watermarkig etc etc
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> Although that could probably be solved in other ways.
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> Basically - arse covering.
[09:57] <shauno> we just don't print stuff.  printing is bad.  hardcopies are out of date, and usually immesurably so
[09:57] <awilkins> TwistedLucidity, Nothing stopping you having pages for those things, and a script that prints their links in sequence as the book
[09:58] <awilkins> But yes, print is worse than mailing documents around
[09:58] <foobarry> newsappers are out of date too
[09:58] <awilkins> They're both dead
[09:58] <foobarry> even todays freshest papers were old news
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: That'd be nice, but our customers would never work that way and as part of "dog fooding" we use our own stuff, so we don't work that way
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe in 20 years or so they'll have moved forward.
[09:59] <TwistedLucidity> Everything is done in Outlook - it's depressing
[10:00] <bashrc_> Outlook. Ugh
[10:00] <awilkins> Yeah, we just had a meeting discussing collaborative work on a business prospect
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> The resistance would also be "A wiki is not WYSIWYG", "A wiki doe snot integrate with Excel", "I can't draw graphs", "I can't edit off-line" and so on.
[10:00] <awilkins> We're going to stick it all in a spreadsheet
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Wikis are great, we have one, but they are not a universal tool for all documentation
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Although we vastly over-use Word docs; many of those would be much, much better in a good wiki (e.g. user help)
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> But what do I know...
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> ...setting up VisualStudio 2013 is an utter abhorrance...
[10:02] <awilkins> Not tried that in years :-)
[10:02] <awilkins> I just use SharpDevelop for all my Windows programming where possible now
[10:02] <awilkins> Not that I do much
[10:04] <nucc1> TwistedLucidity: visualstudio is still the best IDE out there… the IntelliJ stuff comes a close second
[10:04] <nucc1> xcode isn't bad too.
[10:04] <nucc1> Anjuta is just outrageously dumb
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> nucc1: Yeah, that's the sad thing. It really is quite good. I use Eclipse mostly and that is becoming increasing dreadful
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> Quite like IntelliJ; Maven support is far superior to Eclipse.
[10:06] <shauno> I tried eclipse recently.  it seems to suffer from gimp syndrome?
[10:06] <foobarry> need to google to remember how to do stuff?
[10:07] <shauno> eg it's perfectly capable, but the UI is the result of two blind guys having a foodfight
[10:07] <foobarry> gimp single window mode is default nowadays isn't it?
[10:07] <foobarry> still i struggle
[10:07] <intrbiz> what is wrong with the eclipse ui?
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> Can't say the Eclipse GUI is any worse than IntelliJ or VS; I just change the defauls to suit my taste/needs. It seems to start out...sub-optimal
[10:09] <shauno> I couldn't find anything I was looking for.  I'll admit I didn't spent too long, it felt like Iwas getting into an argument that I didn't need to be in
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: To start, the entire "workspace" concept as a flat structure
[10:09] <intrbiz> working sets
[10:09] <intrbiz> one thing I'd like to be able to configure, is line spacing, so I can have 1.5 spacing
[10:09] <intrbiz> projects down the left, code in the middle, console at bottom, basically covers it
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: I should need to configure that - all the details are already in Maven; Eclipse should simply respect it.
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> As IntelliJ does.
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> It's not a deal-breaker, just an annoyance.
[10:11] <intrbiz> minor issue frankly
[10:12] <intrbiz> maven support could be better in a number of places
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> Took me a sodding age to get Maven working, having to continually re-iterate what plug-in runs in what phase is a apin
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> But there is one, massive failing with Eclipse; the compiler.
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> It needs to burn
[10:13] <intrbiz> what is wrong with the eclipse compiler?
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> (Or I need to find a way to separate the Eclipse output from the Maven compile)
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: It can lead to non-running code appearing to compile and get deployed onto dev servers
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> Due to the insertion of various bytecode shenanigans.
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> Just use the defaul Java compiler and be done with it
[10:14] <intrbiz> well, that's what a build server is for
[10:15] <TwistedLucidity> Yes, it doesn't affect a nightly build; but it affects day-to-day work when you are pushing your current dev code to a server
[10:15] <intrbiz> personally only had one issue with eclipse compiler, which was being able to compile some Java 8 syntax that Oracles compiler could not
[10:15] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: if it's a bug in the compiler, report it
[10:16] <TwistedLucidity> Problem is, Eclipse will spit-out a .class for non-compiling code. If you then run Maven, it thinks that .class is valid and adds it into the .jar; boom!
[10:16] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: It's not a bug, it's by design!
[10:16] <intrbiz> ah, ok, well that's incremental
[10:16] <intrbiz> so, maven clean first
[10:16] <directhex> tl;dr: java is evil. switch to mono
[10:16] <TwistedLucidity> When we used Ant, we had the Eclipse and Ant output separate to avoid such an issue
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> intrbiz: Can't, the build would take too long. Fixing this is on my ever growing list.....
[10:18] <TwistedLucidity> I am sure some of these problems are caused by how we manage our code...
[10:19] <nucc1> i'm looking at the code for ssldump and the darn thing seems to have two main() functions :(
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> main() and mainerer()?
[10:20] <nucc1> both are main, in two different files
[10:20] <nucc1> one is in main.c, and appears to do little other than print help, and the other is in lex.yy.c
[10:24] <nucc1> seems like it was written on purpose to filter out dummies like myself
[10:24] <nucc1> and probably no surprise the program is now unmaintained
[10:27] <intrbiz> can't wireshark do what you need?
[10:27] <nucc1> i'm trying to see if i'm capable of patching ssldump to output JSON instead of the garbage it puts out currently
[10:27] <nucc1> quite often, it helps to get the data in text
[10:28] <nucc1> makes searching easier
[10:29] <nucc1> so this is me trying to workout the control flow so i can see where i need to edit. shouldn't be too hard, i imagine, if the program wasn't so opaque
[10:30] <nucc1> i just thought about it, and the hurdles I've had to jump to get here :)
[10:32] <nucc1> i often have to deal with ssldump generated output. usually i get a pre-master-secret file which is useful for wireshark, and then the text from ssldump too, which helps for finding out which connection you should be looking at.
[10:32] <nucc1> in wireshark, it's hard to find a specific message.
[10:32] <nucc1> in ssldump, it's easy with grep, but then more difficult to follow a particular conversation
[10:33] <nucc1> because the output of ssldump is a bit unpredictable and needlessly complicated, it's difficult to make an automated tool to arrange the output into conversations.
[10:33] <nucc1> i wrote one which works reasonably well, but in order to make it fool-proof, ssldump needs to use an output format that is more amenable to scripted processing
[10:34] <awilkins> I've had some things that the javac compiler can't parse and the Eclipse one can
[10:35] <awilkins> 'twas annnoying because it would test fine and not build on the CI server
[10:35] <awilkins> It was something really silly like comma placement in enums stretched over multiple lines
[10:35] <nucc1> ssldump output is not that simple.
[10:36] <nucc1> it uses two prefixes on each line to identify connection serial, and packet number.
[10:36] <nucc1> so for example: "1 10 …" means connection #1, packet #10 and what follows are some metadata
[10:36] <nucc1> the payload of "1 10" is then indented after that heading, using tabs.
[10:37] <nucc1> relatively easy for a human to deduce. slightly complex for a program but still possible.
[10:37] <nucc1> problem is, the output is not ordered according to connection, but rather in packet order, and we know packets have no sense of order
[10:37] <nucc1> and in some cases, ssldump will completely forget to indent the payload
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> So Farage quit...huh...a politician who actually kept their word!
[10:43] <bashrc_> quit?
[10:43] <nucc1> that's what he wants you to think :p
[10:59] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity, he sort-of-quit... but will consider whether to stand for the leader election in September. ☺
[10:59] <awilkins> Quick question to confirm : does the "encrypt my disk" in Ubuntu use LUKS on LVM or LVM on LUKS  (I think it's LVM on LUKS becuse a LUKS partition is being used as a physical volume in the ubuntu-vg volume group
[11:05] <OerHeks> awilkins, correct: http://askubuntu.com/questions/275921/what-algorithm-is-used-by-disk-utility-encryption
[11:09] <awilkins> OerHeks, Ta
[11:10] <awilkins> NOOOOOO, broke mah VM
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> do you still have the sandbox it came in? :-)
[12:41] <awilkins> Struggling with maths in bas
[12:41] <awilkins> h
[12:41] <awilkins> Have a number in a shell script
[12:42] <awilkins> Trying to calculate that number + 512 + (THAT_NUMBER %512)
[12:42] <awilkins> Just running into lots of syntax errors
[12:42] <awilkins> Can do it on the command line, same stuff in a script chucks an error
[12:42] <awilkins> Arrgh
[12:44] <shauno> your script is using #!/bin/sh instead of /bin/bash?
[12:44] <awilkins> Nope
[12:44] <awilkins> Even explicitly running it as sudo bash <script>
[12:45] <awilkins> Finally got to a solution for having my SSD cache cake and encrypting it too
[12:45] <awilkins> Just wanted to automate it
[12:45] <shauno> fair enough.  was just curious because bash won't use bashisms if you call it sh
[12:45] <awilkins> Tried expr
[12:45] <awilkins> Tried $(( ))
[12:46] <awilkins> Can't get either working
[12:46] <awilkins> Ahaa
[12:47] <awilkins> Seems to work now
[12:49] <awilkins> Narrarh
[12:49] <awilkins> Still syntax errors on the target box
[12:50] <awilkins> That is deeply deeply annoying
[13:34] <foobarry> thunderbird defaults to bing search when selecting text
[13:35] <foobarry> the upshot is that i copy and paste into google
[13:35] <foobarry> so instead of less revenue, they get zero
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> i think you can change it but i stopped using thunderbird yonks back
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> not really a fan of evolution but still using it for now.
[13:41] <foobarry> evo feels so clunky!
[13:41] <foobarry> and horrid ui
[13:41] <foobarry> IMHO
[13:41] <foobarry> geary looks nice, but never moved over
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> i use claws in imap mode for my ancient netbook and it's light and fairly responsive but i don't think i'd throw my 5-6gb of mail at it...
[13:42]  * bashrc_ uses Mutt
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> i couldn't get mutt or alpine to work using the online tutorials.  i might give it a bash again
[13:59] <awilkins> Just in case anyone is interested : http://askubuntu.com/questions/620480/how-to-install-ubuntu-with-both-disk-encryption-and-ssd-caching
[14:01] <awilkins> I was going to bounty it but I imagine I'll be selecting my own answer...
[14:16] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: turns out claws is a bit unsecure, too
[14:17] <Myrtti> https://tails.boum.org/security/claws_mail_leaks_plaintext_to_imap/
[14:20] <diddledan> morning
[14:20] <diddledan> I go to bed on the exit polls suggesting a hung parliament and wake up to news that tories got a majority government
[14:22] <MooDoo> diddledan: yup indeed
[14:23] <diddledan> and all the leaders are gone
[14:23] <diddledan> seems everyone and their dog has resigned
[14:23] <MooDoo> well it was a pretty spectacular defeat for them
[14:28] <diddledan> last declaration is in - another tory gain from libdeb
[14:28] <foobarry> lib who?
[14:28] <MooDoo> wow i've had paulmellors.net 11 years now :D
[14:29] <popey> ooh, next week I'll have had popey.com for 16 years!
[14:29] <popey> blimey
[14:29] <popey> time flies
[14:30] <MooDoo> was just going to say popey.com was created 1999 lol
[14:30] <MooDoo> beat me again
[14:30] <popey> heh
[14:30] <diddledan> nice
[14:35] <awilkins> Ugh
[14:35] <awilkins> 331 sears
[14:35] <awilkins> seats
[14:36] <foobarry> problem?
[14:37] <MooDoo> FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!!
[14:37] <MooDoo> :)
[14:37]  * awilkins is a big lefty
[14:37] <diddledan> foobarry: I'm guessing libdeb is a library for manipulating debian packages? :-p
[14:38] <awilkins> Or how Nick Clegg is announced when someone has a headcold
[14:38] <diddledan> awilkins: is that like a big softie?
[14:39] <diddledan> I ask because I'm definitely a big softie
[14:40] <awilkins> I just want to curl up for a bit until the horrible Tories go away
[14:40] <ali1234> the only choice now is accelerationism
[14:40] <MooDoo> awilkins: the 5 year big sleep
[14:40] <foobarry> awilkins: did you vite blair?
[14:41] <awilkins> foobarry, I did
[14:41] <foobarry> its no different really
[14:41] <foobarry> saw a stat earlier
[14:41] <awilkins> Actually, not sure I voted that time around
[14:41] <foobarry> new labour 3-0
[14:41] <awilkins> I was moving so much I didn' t have the opportunity to register
[14:41] <foobarry> old labour 0-6
[14:41] <foobarry> over last 40 years or so
[14:44] <shauno> I honestly have no idea how anyone decides between them
[14:45] <foobarry> stealing £173k in the expenses scandal should have helped people decide
[14:45] <foobarry> but it didn't
[14:45] <foobarry> people have short memories
[14:46] <foobarry> or are stupid
[14:50] <shauno> just seems to me you get the choice between morally bankrupt or financially bankrupt.  it's really not much of a choice
[14:51]  * bashrc_ thinks Labour and Tories are basically the same party with different coloured ties
[14:53] <awilkins> I would actually like to see a Green government
[14:53] <shauno> my understanding is that the tories have evil plans to reduce the debt, labour have no plans.  the green party are hilariously crazy, and ukip are scarily crazy.
[14:53] <awilkins> Until they start making people eat raw spelt instead of beef, of course
[14:54] <awilkins> The Tories evil plans are nothing to do with reducing debt
[14:54] <awilkins> THeir evil plans are more along the lines of making sure as much public infrastructure is owned by their mates by the end of their term as possible
[14:55] <awilkins> The Greens just seem crazy because they are sane people standing against the background of UK politics
[14:56] <awilkins> UKIP are just Tories but they openly admit they don't like foreigners, so they have to have policies of deporting them instead of employing them as maids and builders
[14:56] <awilkins> and nurses and doctors
[14:56] <foobarry> and because they live in cloud cuckoo land
[14:56] <foobarry> (greens)
[14:56] <awilkins> foobarry, I agree that Greens could do with a dose of realism
[14:57] <ali1234> i think the election results show that UKIP's support is not Tory at all
[14:57] <awilkins> Their energy policy needs to accept that we need nuclear (fusion)
[14:57] <awilkins> Their support might not be Tory but their MPs are basically Tories
[14:57] <ali1234> their politicians might be
[14:57] <awilkins> Nigel was a flipping banker
[14:58] <awilkins> They're just Tories who figured out how to get the working man to vote for them
[14:58] <ali1234> but lets face it all politicians have more in common with each other than they do with their supporters
[14:59] <awilkins> The Green policies were very much in line with what people actually want when you ask them
[14:59] <awilkins> Keep the NHS public? 85%
[14:59] <awilkins> Renationalise rail? 65%, etc
[14:59] <popey> what people want till you tell them the consequences
[14:59] <awilkins> And they were the proponent of the Universal Basic Income which is an issue that needs examining seriously
[15:00] <popey> and the cost
[15:00] <bashrc_> although I don't really like any of them many of the green's policies make more sense to me
[15:00] <shauno> yeah, the cost is the elephant in the room for most of that
[15:00] <shauno> they have a lot of really neat ideas that they couldn't possibly afford to implement
[15:00] <awilkins> The cost is the cost of buying them back from the corporations who presumably will want to make a profit on something they bought from us for a loss....
[15:01] <bashrc_> having spent a lot of time inside the disaster that is the current unemployment system and having observed its many pathologies in the longer term I don't see much alternative to universal basic income
[15:01] <bashrc_> unless mass starvation becomes a policy aim
[15:01] <foobarry> the further you are from govt, the more populist and contradictory your policies can be
[15:01] <awilkins> In the case of rail you could pull the same trick they are doing on the NHS - cut funding to railtrack until the network grinds to a halt and the operating companies are worthless and then buy them for a couple of quid and a packet of rolos
[15:02] <awilkins> Shame about the disruption of the transit network though
[15:02] <shauno> (and I completely disagree with the greens on trident, which kinda flavours things too)
[15:02] <awilkins> Yeah. If you nuke things, everyone loses.
[15:03] <awilkins> The only people interested in nuking people now are nutters - e.g. the kind of people MAD doesn't apply to because they're, well, MAD.
[15:03]  * bashrc_ has noticed that the cold war ended some time ago
[15:03] <ali1234> awilkins: i think you have far too much faith in humanity
[15:03] <shauno> it did?  I seem to recall russia invading europe disturbingly recently
[15:04] <popey> not exactly cold
[15:04] <shauno> but I think that's the crux of my problem with scrapping it.  when we bought trident, in what, 1980, 81, we didn't imagine the wall was going to fall
[15:05] <foobarry> everyone needs more ubuntu
[15:05] <foobarry> whether the OS or the african word
[15:05] <shauno> let alone that everything would get rather asymetric in 2001, or that Putin would come back 10 years later
[15:05] <shauno> not renewing trident would be making some rather brave assumptions about the next 30-40 years
[15:06] <nucc1> people tend to forget that little powerless countries get trampled upon
[15:06] <foobarry> greens reckons we haven't been invaded since 1941 (forgotten about 7/7 etc), so we should disband the army and do town twinning
[15:07] <nucc1> we may have space travel and satellite communications now, but the dynamics of the roman empire era still very much apply in world politics
[15:07] <nucc1> you have to be powerful and scary in order to be undisturbed
[15:07] <shauno> they could have said the same thing in 1910.  and it would have sounded believable.  30-40 years is a long time.
[15:07] <awilkins> 7/7 .. how does that count as an invasion
[15:07] <foobarry> it means the nature of warfare has changed
[15:07] <awilkins> And how does a nuclear deterrent stop terrorism?
[15:08] <nucc1> it stops shenanigans like Russia-Ukrain
[15:08] <foobarry> and you don't think of threat as an army amassing at calais but something else
[15:08] <nucc1> Ukraine*
[15:08] <awilkins> "Hey, if you put a bomb in one of our bins we'll turn your country into a shiny glass mirror" isn't a threat with any credibility
[15:08] <awilkins> nucc1, Didn't though, did it?
[15:09] <foobarry> nuclear weapons are there because others have them
[15:09] <shauno> well there's a hypothetical.  if ukraine hadn't given up their nukes udner the bucharest agreement, would russia have invaded to readily?
[15:09] <nucc1> because Ukraine is a little guy with no power, awilkins
[15:09] <nucc1> do you think Putin could do that to the UK right now?
[15:09] <foobarry> unless everybody throws away their gun at a standoff then someone might get hurt
[15:09] <awilkins> Why did they give up the nukes if they represented power?
[15:09] <awilkins> Probably because they cost too much
[15:10] <shauno> to de-escalate the russian border, and because the US & UK said they'd protect them if anything went wrong
[15:10] <shauno> but apparently because it was an "agreement" and not a "treaty" we don't have to
[15:11] <shauno> which for me, is the whole problem with saying "we don't need them because we're friends with _".  when push comes to shove, X doesn't want to war with russia either.
[15:11] <popey> 7/7 bombers were british, shall we nuke leeds?
[15:11] <ali1234> it would probably improve the place
[15:11] <foobarry> lol
[15:12] <foobarry> 7/7 shows that wars is complicated
[15:12] <foobarry> and nukes and armies and intelligence and guns are probably needed , maybe a navy too
[15:13] <foobarry> greens can also merrrily claim that surveillance will be transparaent and lawful, and win some hipster vote, but all parties will claim that ghcq are lawful..if not they will change the law to make it lawful...
[15:14] <popey> meanwhile http://cutelifebot.github.io/sierpinski/ is a good way to make your eyes go funny
[15:16] <ali1234> doesn't work
[15:17] <foobarry> my wife just spammed twitter with cats and meerkats to make the politics go away
[15:17] <foobarry> worked for 10 seconds
[15:20] <zmoylan-pi> well uk has never had a expectation of privacy law.  they've spied on ireland for yonks
[15:20] <zmoylan-pi> not that it did much good
[15:20] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/SoccerrProblems/status/595756019617239041
[15:20] <foobarry> was that deliverate?
[15:30] <intrbiz> Upsert support just committed to PostgreSQL :) (devel version)
[16:14] <nucc1> isn't 15.04 supposed to handle high dpi displays better?
[16:15] <directhex> still app-dependent
[16:15] <nucc1> well, the whole desktop is unreadable
[16:16] <nucc1> and when i try to set display settings, it just tells me "org.gnome.settingsdaemon was not provided by any .service files" :/
[16:17] <nucc1> actually the "scale for menu and title bars" is doing what it says. everything else is too tiny
[16:18] <awilkins_> Hey, is USB Creator broken in Vivid?
[16:21] <davmor2> awilkins: it might be I haven't tried it why?
[16:23] <ali1234> awilkins_: yes
[16:23] <ali1234> it was broken in U as well
[16:23] <directhex> nucc1: changing the "scale for menu and title bars" slider doesn't change the window contents? e.g. the display window itself?
[16:24] <awilkins_> Hrrmph
[16:24] <ali1234> luckily there is absolutely no reason to use it at this point
[16:24] <ali1234> just dd the ISO
[16:24]  * awilkins_ just dd-ed the image to the key
[16:24] <nucc1> directhex: it isn't. it's only changing the title-bars
[16:24] <directhex> nucc1: sounds like breakage at your end - it scales for me.
[16:24] <awilkins_> Re-installing my machine
[16:24] <awilkins_> Need full disk encryption for the corporate security policy
[16:25] <awilkins_> Thanks to a bit of graft and testing with VMs I can have disk encryption AND ssd caching :-)
[16:25] <nucc1> directhex: let me re-install "ubuntu-gnome-desktop"
[16:26] <nucc1> I started out with ubuntu server, and then installed the GUI as I used more and more of it and decided to just make it full-fledged
[16:30] <nucc1> that and reboot looks to have helped. thanks.
[16:30] <nucc1> time to go see the world.
[16:40] <daftykins> awilkins_: did you throw up an article on it? :D
[16:44] <davmor2> why would you throw up on an article?
[16:45] <daftykins> to add flavour
[16:46] <diddledan> mm, lumpy
[16:46] <davmor2> daftykins: just read articles on carrots if that is what you want to see :D
[16:46] <diddledan> why does it always have carrots in it even if you haven't eaten carrots in forever?
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> so you know it's puke on the ground and not something somebody spilled
[16:47] <daftykins> can't say i've seen carrots :>
[16:47] <diddledan> vegetable soup doubles quite nicely
[16:48] <davmor2> only I could mis-read a line and trigger a conversation about vomit :D
[16:48] <diddledan> \o/
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> it's a friday. some of us will be weaving around it tonight or tomorrow...
[16:49] <diddledan> that presupposes that we have social lives
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> een if you're just walking home...
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> *even
[16:50] <diddledan> that presupposes we're likely to leave the house
[16:50] <diddledan> :-p
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> house i grew up in had 5 pubs within 2 minutes walk
[16:50] <diddledan> that presupposes we grew up
[16:50] <ali1234> that saturday morning smell...
[16:51] <zmoylan-pi> occasionly had to scrub the foot path in front of the house...
[19:01] <foobarry> cant believe how weak the speakers on this laptop are
[19:02] <foobarry> can't hardly hear a programme
[19:02] <foobarry> thank goodness for vlc 125% mode
[19:12] <diddledan> foobarry: what exactly _is_ 100% volume, anyway
[19:12] <diddledan> "our amps are 1 louder because they go to 11"
[19:12] <foobarry> it works!
[19:12] <zmoylan-pi> his go to 12.5 :-)
[19:12] <diddledan> I'm assuming it's akin to 0% being absolute silence, where 100% is absolute loud
[19:13] <foobarry> movie player is too quiet at 100$
[19:13] <foobarry> 110%
[19:13] <foobarry> arrgh
[19:13] <foobarry> 100%
[19:15] <foobarry> it amplifies the sound , it works!
[19:15] <diddledan> foobarry: how can you go louder than loud tho
[19:15] <diddledan> 100% is everything
[19:15] <diddledan> you can't have more than everything
[19:16] <foobarry> you can!
[19:16] <diddledan> in which case why doesn't player X have more than 100% the same way vlc does?!
[19:16] <diddledan> vlc is just lying
[19:17] <foobarry> no, its real
[19:17] <foobarry> it performs E.Q. on the sound
[19:17] <diddledan> if it goes from 0 to 125% then it's really going 0-100% where what they're labelling 125 is actually 100
[19:17] <foobarry> no, i don't believe so
[19:18] <foobarry> in the same way as pushing all your graphic eq to max or min you get more or less volume
[19:18] <foobarry> you lose a bit of quality and balance
[19:18] <diddledan> exactly, I'm trying to play devil's advocate - what _is_ 100% volume anyway and why can't we have more in player X
[19:18] <diddledan> if vlc can give me more why can't player X
[19:18] <foobarry> it could
[19:19] <foobarry> maybe it already can
[19:19] <diddledan> so why doesn't it
[19:19] <foobarry> because vlc is awesome
[19:19] <diddledan> you mentioned your movie player was too quiet so you used vlc - the other movie player is giving you "100% volume" so if there is a possibility of it actually going louder why doesn't it give you the option!
[19:20] <diddledan> why have an arbitrary "100%"
[19:20] <foobarry> VLC allows amplification of the INPUT above the sound that was decoded. This is just like replay gain, broken codecs, badly recorded files or post-amplification and can lead to saturation.
[19:20] <foobarry> VLC does not (and cannot) modify the OUTPUT volume to destroy the speakers. VLC is a Software using the OFFICIAL platforms APIs.
[19:21] <foobarry> you will get some clipping maybe
[19:21] <foobarry> not noticeable on crappy speakers anyyway
[19:30] <ali1234> diddledan: pulseaudio goes up to 153*153%*
[19:31] <diddledan> \o/
[19:31] <diddledan> ali1234: now we're talking!
[19:31] <diddledan> ali1234: is that the definition of "absolute noise"?
[19:31] <ali1234> also, anything above 100% is actually amplifying the signal before playing it
[19:31] <shauno> I'm not sure I want to know how ali found that out
[19:31] <diddledan> i.e. the inverse of "absolutely silence"
[19:32] <ali1234> shauno: it goes up to 153% on the per-application volume control, and then 153% on the master volume control
[20:50] <diddledan> LaunchPad.net should have rewards (medals) for necromongers
[20:50] <diddledan> specifically I've been messing with one of czajkowski's from way back in 2012! :-p (https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1000320)


[09:15] <mojo706> Hello
[09:15] <mojo706> Are there any hopes for a working Ubuntu-Phone SDK for 12.04 for those of us interested but do not want to migrate to 12.10?
[09:24] <Mirv> mojo706: sure, 12.04 is the LTS so it should get at least support via a PPA (Qt5 backport etc)
[09:24] <Mirv> the qt5-beta1 PPA already has had 12.04 builds of everything
[11:54] <DrHalan> hey i was wondering if there are any news on using telepathy on the ubuntu phone
[11:54] <DrHalan> as far as i know "gnome online accounts" is derived from maemo so any changes we see the instant messenger from maemo on the ubuntu phone too?
[12:32] <Andy80> bzoltan, hi :) just a quick note. I could arrive a bit (15-20 minutes) later for the hangout. I just arrived at home and I still need to have lunch :P I hope this don't scramble your plans too much :)
[12:32] <Andy80> bzoltan, I tell you here on IRC when I'm ready
[13:00] <Andy80> bzoltan, a couple of minutes and I'm in :)
[13:02] <bzoltan> Andy80:  cool
[13:03] <bzoltan> Andy80: tell me when you are ready ... I have only few minutes
[13:03] <Andy80> bzoltan, I'm ready
[14:22] <captainspock23> hello is ubuntu phone going to be free?
[14:23] <captainspock23> or on-market
[14:23] <Tak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone#Ubuntu_Phone_FAQ
[14:24] <captainspock23> is ubuntu going to be opensource?
[14:24] <Tak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone#Ubuntu_Phone_FAQ
[14:24] <popey> Heh ☺
[14:26] <captainspock23> ok is there information on how to get ubuntu for android?
[14:27] <captainspock23> does it support Cortex processors?
[14:27] <popey> Ubuntu for Android is not available yet
[14:28] <captainspock23> I jhust downloaded it
[14:28] <captainspock23> from sourceforge.net
[14:28] <popey> Nope.
[14:28] <popey> That may be something someone else in the community has created
[14:28] <popey> but it's not "Ubuntu for Android" from Canonical.
[14:28] <captainspock23> its ubuntu12.04 v4 small
[14:29] <captainspock23> its a zip file , around 415MB
[14:29] <popey> Sounds fun
[14:29] <captainspock23> when I extract it it takes ten seconds and there is a 2 GB iso in there with an img file
[14:30] <captainspock23> I tried running it in virtual box it said it isnt supported
[14:31] <popey> that's not surprising
[14:31] <popey> I'd expect it's designed to be put on an ARM based device
[14:34] <captainspock23> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxonandroid/files/Ubuntu/
[14:34] <captainspock23> this is where I ofund it
[14:34] <captainspock23> This is where I found it
[14:35] <captainspock23> but don't know if I have to use Linux-on-android software
[14:36] <captainspock23> Its called Linux Deploy
[14:36] <captainspock23> I already have it, but it some how mounts the iso to my current /
[14:37] <captainspock23> but I dont want to don't because I don't know if its legal
[14:38] <captainspock23> unless someone can tell me if its legal or not
[14:40] <captainspock23> so is it legal?
[15:42] <TomyLobo2> sooo, this ubuntu phone, is it on the market yet?
[15:43] <popey> no
[15:43] <TomyLobo2> thanks
[17:06] <ryansipes> Does anyone know with Ubuntu phone image due out this month, is it specifically for the Galaxy Nexus GT-I9250?  Or will it run on the Galaxy Nexus variants as well: SCH-i515, SCH-i516, etc (for CDMA carriers).
[17:07] <popey> ryansipes: no announcement yet.
[17:09] <ryansipes> @popey thanks
[17:15] <ryansipes> Been whetting my teeth on QML for developing apps for the platform.  Can anyone point me at a good primer for QML?
[17:38] <ryansipes> Is there any way to get involved with the project besides submitting designs for core apps at this point?
[17:41] <dpm> hi ryansipes, we're aiming at kicking off development this week, and the code for the core apps is already public (but not more than boilerplate code for now). Once it's actually started, you can check out the code from Launchpad, add or fix features and submit merge proposals for review and inclusion
[17:44] <ryansipes> dpm: Thanks for the reply.  Do you have any links to point me at? Is there an Ubuntu phone mailing list?
[17:45] <dpm> ryansipes, sure, here's the mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone and the projects live at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[17:50] <ryansipes> dpm: Thank you, that was very helpful.
[17:54] <dpm> yw :)
[17:56] <surgemcgee> Is there any way to remove the tab bar header from the Tabs component? Or can I add my own custom class? -->  ItemStyle.class: "new-tabs"
[18:08] <sheffzor> Hello guys, I need some help with nexus 7, is it suported by "tilapia" (WIFI+GSM) or only "grouper"? If it's supported, tilapia, is there any problema with last daily? I'm getting first boot screen with the backgroud currepted and after the language selection I can't write anything with the touch-keyboard, (it doesn't apear by default, I have to pull it from the menubar).
[18:08] <sheffzor> Is there any bugs promoting this problem?
[21:04] <gadget-dad> Does any part of the development process involve beta testers that aren't ubuntu experts? I volunteer (and I volunteer my galaxy nexus).
[22:28] <ryansipes> gadget-dad: In response to your question earlier regarding the development process and contributing to it, you could always post any bugs that you find while using Ubuntu Phone OS
[22:36] <gadget-dad> \ryansipes: thanks. The Ubuntu phone OS isn't out yet, right? I was just seeing if there was anything that I could add before it officially gets rolled out....but the only thing that I have to offer is my naive status, which I actually thought might make me a useful guinea pig.
[22:40] <ryansipes> gadget-dad: The main thing I think you could do is offer up your ideas via channels like this and the Ubuntu Phone mailing list.
[22:40] <ryansipes> gadget-dad: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[22:41] <ryansipes> gadget-dad: That link is to the Ubuntu Phone launchpad page, you can sign up for mailing list there.
[22:41] <ryansipes> gadget-dad: Once the phone image is released this month, load it up and play with it - then let the team know what you discover.
[22:48] <gadget-dad> ryansipes: thanks and will do.


[00:08] <studio-user248> hi
[01:33] <holstein> ianx1879: neither
[01:33] <holstein> !proaudio
[01:34] <holstein> ianx1879: you'll want JACK for lower latency, assuming you actually need low latency
[01:34] <holstein> for my needs, i want/need around 10ms, or the work flow is irrelevant.. 20ms is no good for realtime work
[09:57] <_Tailung_> Hi
[09:58] <_Tailung_> Just installed ubuntu studio 14.04
[09:59] <_Tailung_> Looks good so far
[11:06] <studio-user378> HI
[11:06] <studio-user378> Anybody here ?
[11:07] <cfhowlett> studio-user378 ask your UStudio questions
[11:08] <studio-user378> When I'm installing Ubuntu Studio I get this error :
[11:08] <studio-user378> GRUB installation failed
[11:08] <studio-user378> The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot.
[11:09] <studio-user378> I checked the md5sum of iso file and I think the iso is healthy
[11:09] <studio-user378> Also I'm installing it side by side Ubuntu
[11:09] <studio-user378> What should I do ?
[11:12] <cfhowlett> studio-user378 you "think" it's healthy?  verify your input.  it is or it ain't
[11:12] <studio-user378> it IS
[11:12] <zequence> studio-user378: I have no idea about doing paralell EFI installations. Might need some work.
[11:12] <studio-user378> I checked the md5sum and it was correct
[11:13] <cfhowlett> studio-user378 good.  I've not had to deal with efi issues, so can't advise.    ask in #ubuntu
[11:13] <studio-user378> Is there any forum or online community I can visit ?
[11:13] <studio-user378> #ubuntu ?
[11:13] <studio-user378> Thanks for help guys
[11:13] <zequence> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[11:15] <_Tailung_> I have a question about sound
[11:16] <zequence> _Tailung_: Shoot
[11:16] <_Tailung_> Just installed Ustudio when i test the drumcomputer I get sound but when I do a other application with playes sound I hear nothing
[11:17] <_Tailung_> any tips
[11:17] <_Tailung_> in pulse audio I setup the input and out put right I think
[11:18] <_Tailung_> I dissabled the hdmi sound from my graficscard
[11:18] <_Tailung_> setup my internal soundcard to be output.
[11:18] <_Tailung_> and and external usb device as my mic input
[11:19] <zequence> _Tailung_: I assume you are using alsa, and not pulseaudio for the actual application?
[11:19] <_Tailung_> probably
[11:19] <zequence> That might make the application take over the device entirely
[11:20] <zequence> if there's jack support, I would rather use that
[11:20] <zequence> !proaudio
[11:21] <_Tailung_> I tried jack on this system before (older distro) but all I got whas krrrrrrr
[11:23] <zequence> _Tailung_: jack is the only audio server you want to use, if you want to get low latency. And, it's the only thing specially meant for audio production
[11:24] <_Tailung_> in pulse audio I see in output tab : dummy-output
[11:24] <zequence> Takes a bit of time getting used to, but once you do, the upsides are pretty big
[11:24] <zequence> anything that says dummy is not an actual card
[11:24] <_Tailung_> ok jack is the thing. But can you help me with this one before I jump into jack.
[11:25] <_Tailung_> the dummy wiggels when i play sound
[11:26] <_Tailung_> So I have to get lost of the dummy and put back the real hardware output in pulse audio, how do i do that?
[11:27] <_Tailung_> How did that get there in the first place
[11:27] <_Tailung_> I do a reboot.
[11:30] <_Tailung_> Guess what!
[11:30] <_Tailung_> After the reboot I get sound
[11:30] <_Tailung_> Now I can jump into that jack thing ;)
[11:32] <zequence> _Tailung_: Prolly a bug in pulseaudio. Happens sometimes that the audio device dissapears from the list
[11:37] <_Tailung_> I jumped into Ustudio after I corrupted my previous system.
[11:38] <_Tailung_> I got audio sync problems in openshot after upgrading to 14.04
[11:38] <_Tailung_> Hopefully it is better now
[11:39] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is more or less the same as any other Ubuntu flavor, except you have realtime privilege pre-configured, which makes jack work out of the box
[11:39] <zequence> ..and linux-lowlatency is pre-installed
[11:39] <`Fibz> and it's more awesome
[11:39] <zequence> (and a bunch of other applications pre-installed, which makes them easier to find)
[11:40] <_Tailung_> yeah, i like that.
[11:41] <_Tailung_> I use ssr for my game recording though.
[12:56] <wicke87> ada yang bisa bantu saya untuk belajar ubuntu studio?
[18:38] <cub> Hi, I run an ubuntu studio on an usb when I borrow my GFs laptop. So the other day I accidently bumped the usb stick while running and it crashed. No worries, it booted alright again. However I notice an increase in memory usage after boot. Any ideas why and how to troubleshoot that?
[18:38] <cub> Everything seems to be running as normal, but before the crash after boot my laptop used 70 MB, now it idle at 125 MB after boot.
[18:53] <Tupimazon> boa tarde,
[18:54] <Tupimazon> será que alguem me ajuda
[18:55] <Tupimazon> sou nova nesse sistema, esto tendo muita dificuldade em descobrir o tipo do meu ubuntu,
[18:57] <Tupimazon> estou tentando instalar o java para usar o banco e nao consigo
[18:58] <cub> Tupimazon,  I think you might have a better chance of response if you can try in English?
[18:59] <Tupimazon> hein??
[19:01] <cub> !pl
[19:01] <cub> hmm wrong
[19:02] <cub> !pt
[19:02] <Tupimazon> obrigada
[20:15] <andrew__> hi im a total newb,was wondering if i could get some assistance


[02:17] <magic_ninja> is plasma 24.90 the 25 beta?
 Yes
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Qt 5.5.4 landed in Kinetic
 Including KDE wayland patches
[14:45] <BluesKaj> @RikMills... lost abuch of desktop context menu options the other day... no leave option to reboot or logout
[14:45] <BluesKaj> for example
[14:45] <RikMills> not seen that here
[14:46] <BluesKaj> not that I mind using the the terminal on Kinetic
[14:50] <RikMills> I must admit that I just tend to do sudo reboot
[14:52] <BluesKaj> :-)
[17:40] <arraybolt3> I'm still on the lookout for the mess that Eickmeyer was talking about with the installer not working with some particular component. I tested the latest ISO yesterday in Gnome Boxes, nothing interesting turned up. I'm thinking of doing a baremetal test on todays ISO if I get the chance.


[00:00] <Unit193> Heh, someone goofed on 'https://9to5linux.com/tuxedo-pulse-15-gen2-linuhttps:/9to5linux.com/tuxedo-pulse-15-gen2-linux-ultrabook-out-now-with-ryzen-7-5700u-wqhd-displayx-ultrabook-out-now-with-ryzen-7-5700u-wqhd-display'
[00:10] <Bashing-om> Unit193: checking ^ .
[00:19] <Bashing-om> UWN edit: https://9to5linux.com/tuxedo-pulse -- ungoofed. Thanks Unit193 :D
[00:33] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Significant Improvements’ Made to Ubuntu Firefox Snap @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/07/firefox-snap-significant-startup-improvements (by Joey Sneddon)
[00:38] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[00:53] <Bashing-om> Unit193: You advise to add the omgubuntu snap article to the letter ? I do not see that it adds anything beyond phoronix.com/'s :(
[02:10] <Unit193> ...What?
[02:19] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Ouch on me; disregard my last --- wires crossed - that kind of day :D
[03:30] <guiverc> s/ubuntu community/Ubuntu community/ in general Bashing-om
[03:30]  * guiverc disappointed I didn't notice that yesterday !
[03:37] <guiverc> grrr sorry, s/CM2/CM4/  in MATE one; it's Compute Module 4 & I've typed 2 I gather!
[03:42] <guiverc> Bashing-om, suggest s/add-on libraries to Qt for the/add-on libraies for Qt and the/  (ie. change /to Qt/ to /for Qt/ as it's not change to Qt5, and subsequent s/for/and/ so there aren't 2x for in sentance ;  what do you think?
[03:42] <guiverc> that sentance (spel?) grabs me as something is possibly wrong...
[03:44] <guiverc> s/202/2022 in Other ARtricles of Interest
[03:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Fixing and looking :D
[03:46] <guiverc> I love how you've added 21.01 Eol Bashing-om
[03:48]  * guiverc has finished read thru, looks good (excluding some minor issues ^)
[03:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I almost forgot - but something nagged at me that you would :P
[03:50] <guiverc> upgrade list for impish was small; but expected given notice to avoid SRU for impish was (i forgot how many days ago now) awhile ago
[03:51]  * guiverc afk ~10 mins
[04:05] <Bashing-om> UWN Edits: ups done.
[04:07] <guiverc> we have uninterrupted power supply now; great :)
[04:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UPS - such a good thing !
[04:11] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , looks great
[04:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: No - thank you - My proof read reeked this issue - great that you have the sharp eyes :P
[04:17] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I made maybe ~8 edits in my proof read my-late-yesterday (mostly double space so of no consequence).. so those I missed too !
[04:17] <guiverc> I do find the wiki page easier to read than gdoc
[04:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I find that I am the more focused when reading the WIKI. Maybe I pay the closer attention - generally anyway.
[04:19] <guiverc> That's true for me too !
[04:21]  * guiverc also doesn't have a dog trying to get attention & adding extra keystrokes on the wiki... which it can do with gdoc & editor; no an issue today as dog is off sleeping somewhere, probably on my bed
[04:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 3 dogs and 2 cats that vie for my attention - no wonder I sometimes get frazzed out :P
[04:23] <Bashing-om> excuse me - " fur babbies " -
[04:27] <guiverc> me has the one dog :(  then again thanks to bird-feeding; 100+ feathered visitors..
[04:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - we only have 2 farm cats - but we wind up feeding about a dozen wild cats :P
[04:29] <guiverc> :)
[04:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Been staring at this terminal so long that my eyes are crossing - time to get off - You have a great day.
[04:34] <guiverc> thanks & have a nice night Bashing-om
[04:39] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Bout the time I am going to go - find something else to keep me :P But I am working on going !
[04:39] <guiverc> I gotta go do house work; vacuuming etc.. I'm in no hurry obviously...
[04:41] <Bashing-om> Outta here - house work is always so present :D = I got dishes to wash :P
[07:18] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 167 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-167/
[13:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Papirus Icon Set Updated with 60+ New Icons @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/07/papirus-icon-theme-update-july-2022 (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - no further edits are known. Posting to the Forum soonest.
[19:34] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum posted - doing the re-directs next.
[19:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Tidal-hifi is the Best App for Streaming Tidal Music on Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/07/tidal-hifi-player-linux (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:10] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending is the M/L notice - and release to the Social Medias :D
[23:18] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/07/11/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-743/
[23:20] <guiverc> tweeted UWN 743 & posted to telegram
[23:21] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check - all looks good :D
[23:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to clean up - rinse and do-it again ?
[23:22] <guiverc> thanks & yeah scrub away  (still posting as me; ie. unofficial, just did reddit... official fb is last)
[23:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ack - and if ya will do the M/L notice also .
[23:26] <guiverc> yeah & thanks for reminding me... I thought of it early on, but forgot it once I got into my normal routine...
[23:30] <guiverc> ML post sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 743 all done = we done good :P
[23:41] <guiverc> i just gotta login & past to fb... on screen already just haven't done it (sidetracked with a reply I saw whilst posting on another site)
[23:41] <Bashing-om> Gdoc: Issue744 off and running :D
[23:42] <guiverc> :)
[23:43] <guiverc> UWN 743 posted to fb too.
[23:55] <Bashing-om> \o/