[00:07] <daftykins> i hope those mother spiders don't push out too many little babies, i've already despatched 50 in my bathroom :S
[05:40] <mapps>  hi all
[05:41] <daftykins> lo
[05:45] <mapps> ';]
[05:45] <mapps> scream tv series isnt too bad;D
[05:46] <daftykins> you should buy a bike and give the TV a rest! :>
[05:47] <mapps> lol well apartments so small where would i put it
[05:47] <mapps> i find it weird how people keep bikes in their lounge lol
[05:47] <daftykins> wherever it fits \o/
[05:47] <daftykins> at the office :D
[05:55] <mapps> heh
[05:57] <daftykins> hmm ordered some phone cases that don't fit, gotta pop them back in the post box today
[05:57] <daftykins> the ebay seller said just to mark them 'return to sender' 0o
[06:00] <mapps> maybe he has some special business ac
[06:00] <mapps> so you can do that and it just charges him?
[06:00] <mapps> angels game bases loaded 2 out 2-1 count hm
[06:01] <daftykins> i'd have thought the standard PO lets you do that though
[06:02] <daftykins> ah that reminds me
[06:02] <daftykins> Royals won today \o/
[06:05] <mapps> surely not tho
[06:05] <mapps> as if i send to you and you put rts on it
[06:05] <mapps> surely they wont send it back to me for free
[06:05] <daftykins> guess i've never done it to know
[07:02] <knightwork> morning everyone
[07:17] <MooDoo> morning
[07:25] <knightwork> morning moodoo, how are you today
[07:27] <MooDoo> knightwork: come into work and a printer isn't working that's a high volume printer, other than that ok :D lol
[07:30] <knightwork> ouch , not a good thing .
[07:30] <knightwork>  hmm.. i need to install my old raspberry pi into my DMZ to run some apps and services so I can reach them from the web
[07:53]  * awilkins has a Pi2 running his Redmine server
[07:56] <awilkins> Ugh, my co-worker is asking for a copy of my Windows VM
[07:57] <awilkins> Have impressed upon him the lack of legality of cloning a Windows VM with no license key
[07:57] <awilkins> Well, I have a license key. I paid for it.
[08:03] <knightwork> awilkins: Im running a lot of apps over SSH but work don"t allow that port out from the firewall
[08:04] <knightwork> so i'm thinking of opening up an https web based shell
[08:05] <awilkins> You could just get SSH to listen on a different port that they do allow out...
[08:05] <awilkins> Or think up a convincing reason why you need outbound SSH access :-)
[08:06] <knightwork> hmm.. i could try porting the SSH port to 443
[08:23] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:23] <MooDoo> morning
[08:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: I have a song in my head....It goes "Startreking across the universe, in the us enterprise, under captain Kirk"
[08:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: Has Haley got a job that starts early or something and she is waking you up?
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: :P
[08:41] <popey> knightwork: i used to run ssh on 443 when I was behind a proxy/firewall, worked fine
[08:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: can't you find reverse?
[08:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: release week there is only forwards
[08:46] <MooDoo> lol :D
[08:47] <knightwork> popey: portable putty to 443 , that should work i guess .. no ?
[08:47] <knightwork> unless they run a protocol based firewall and not a port based firewall
[08:48] <shauno> 443 used to work for us, until they moved to a https proxy mess.  "suck it and see" is really the only way to find out
[08:49] <knightwork> I can basically forward 2 ports on the outside to one port on the inside
[08:52] <diplo> I do this for a friend for his machine at my work, opened 443 as he only has 80 and 443 available out of his work
[08:59] <popey> corkscrew works well
[09:00] <popey> A Z88 just arrived here :)
[09:00] <shauno> I ended up just getting a 3g dongle for the office.  'my stuff' lives on my laptop on my connection, and work stuff, on their machine on their network.  the less the two meet, the better
[09:01] <davmor2> popey: oh spectrum are making computers again ;)
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Sugar Cookie Day! 😃
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: \o/ finally a day to actually celebrate \o/
[09:03] <JamesTait> davmor2, and totally on-topic as well!
[09:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: if anyone every tells you that cookies are not on-topic slap them they need the shock to brink them back to their senses ;)
[09:04] <davmor2> s/every/ever
[09:05] <JamesTait> s/brink/bring
[09:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: meh you know what I mean :)
[09:07] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'm so used to you spotting my mistakes, I couldn't resist the opportunity to turn the tables. 😉
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: meh I'll just prod your code latter an make you cry
[09:08] <JamesTait> I know.
[09:08] <davmor2> later even
[09:09] <davmor2> see you missed one :P
[09:09]  * JamesTait sighs
[09:09] <JamesTait> And so it begins.
[09:09] <JamesTait> 😝
[09:40] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkBS4O3yvY so funny
[09:46] <popey> yeah, i enjoyed that
[09:47] <davmor2> popey: not used to seeing jimmy from ncis without his glasses though :)
[10:14] <foobarry> how can i jump to a previous point in time on a prolific users twitter feed? i want to see a tweet they posted in 2014, and search isn't finding it
[10:15] <foobarry> and scrolling is taking forever
[10:17] <awilkins> Does twitter even retain data for that long?
[10:17] <awilkins> foobarry, You could use an API I suppose
[10:19] <davmor2> foobarry: open you browser, in the url/google search put site:<twitter_feed> search term that should trim it down a little
[10:20] <davmor2> and then hope twitter keeps things from that far back
[10:32] <popey> https://twitter.com/search-advanced?lang=en
[10:32] <popey> has date selection
[11:03] <foobarry> thanks popey that works well :D
[11:23] <diplo> directhex: I use syncthing on my droid phones for images, as soon as it comes into range it syncs them off, same with music
[11:25] <diplo> Running 15.04 here and no issues at all with MTP though ( LG G2 )
[11:27] <bigcalm> My machine had been randomly freezing a few mins after booting. In fear that it was the ram giving out, I upgraded it to the max of 16gb. It hadn't frozen again until this morning and I feared the worse. Turned out, this time, that the battery in my mouse had died. Hope I didn't throw 100 quid down the drain for a dead mouse battery
[11:27] <diplo> lol
[11:28] <directhex> XD
[11:28] <directhex> i can beat that
[11:28] <awilkins> The MS bots in the channel are now reporting this to their superiors
[11:28] <diplo> :D
[11:28] <diplo> Not sure it was nice to laugh, but it did actually make me chuckle
[11:28] <awilkins> "Hey, great idea, how about we keep the Windows licence key in volatile RAM ... in the mouse?"
[11:28] <directhex> i bought my first TFT monitor, a £400 15" iiyama, because my old monitor stopped displaying anything
[11:28] <directhex> after the order was placed, I twiddled the contrast knob...
[11:29] <awilkins> hahahaa
[11:29] <bigcalm> Nice!
[11:29] <bigcalm> One way to force yourself into an upgrade
[11:30] <awilkins> I had to upgrade my OS because I installed a game that needed a newer version for the DRM components...
[11:30] <awilkins> ... upgraded from Win2k ... to Vista
[11:31] <awilkins> <puke emoticon>
[11:31] <diplo> God Vista was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad
[11:31] <awilkins> Have you noticed that puke emoticons seem to have completely vanished?
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> i only upgraded from win2000 when itunes stopped working on it.  last version of windows i liked.  made me switch to mac and then linux
[11:32] <diplo> Still on Skype/MSN awilkins :)
[11:33] <awilkins> Android is too good-twoshoes to have it
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> a mate bought a vista laptop cheap.  512mb of ram... shared with video... slow... took 8 hours to remove and install broken antivirus and updates
[11:33] <awilkins> Win2k was great
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> lite fast, configurable
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> and no activation silliness
[11:34] <diplo> Found a couple if discs for it the other day :)
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> i have a few discs for it i burned... somewhere
[12:17] <MooDoo> i think i have a copy of atleast all ms install discs, probably in a safe place somewhere
[12:48] <awilkins> MSDN Libraries for the win
[12:48] <awilkins> Always a useful source of install disks
[12:52] <MooDoo> yup that's how i've got the disks :D
[12:53] <MooDoo> technet for me though
[13:20] <shauno> coco pops for breakfast, coco pops for lunch .. working from home has made me realise why everyone was going nuts for those little snackbox-by-mail things a couple of years back
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> nah you need smarties in a bowl covered in milk...
[13:23] <popey> mmm cow juice
[13:33] <shauno> as long as they're chocolate cows :)
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> cocomoo
[13:59] <awilkins> I got some of that Joylent stuff
[14:00] <awilkins> It fills in the gaps very nicely when you're too lazy to cook
[14:00] <foobarry> is that like soylent?
[14:00] <awilkins> Yeah
[14:00] <awilkins> It's the euro version of Soylent
[14:01] <shauno> I tried that for a while too.  doesn't work too bad when it's just replacing a meal or two a day.  not sure I could live on the stuff
[14:01] <shauno> eg, I usually have cooked breakfast & lunch at work, so it wasn't a bad way to lazy out of dinner
[14:02] <shauno> I think the only problem I really had was that I got sick of strawberry flavour quite quickly
[14:02] <awilkins> I got the special edition "Green"£
[14:03] <awilkins> It was apple flavour. Wasn't happy that they made it green by adding blue and yellow food colouring though
[14:03] <shauno> I got a mixed pack because I couldn't decide.  turned out to be a good idea I think.  not sure I could stick on any one flavour for days at a time
[14:04] <awilkins> Vanilla was boring
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> is joylent green made of people? :-)
[14:07] <shauno> I do believe it's less than 40% people
[14:07] <zmoylan-pi> is it made of vegetarians?
[14:08] <shauno> people-flavour would be interesting I think.  I guess it should be vaguely like cured ham?
[14:08] <shauno> and it'd sure as heck get them back in the press
[14:08] <daubers> shauno: That'll vary from person to person
[14:09] <shauno> how so?
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> mmmm a little of everything... :-) https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/12.jpg
[14:10] <daubers> shauno: bad futurama reference
[14:10] <daubers> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0584439/quotes
[14:11] <shauno> ahh
[14:11] <shauno> I actually ended up calling it 'slurm'
[14:13] <shauno> there's another one floating around now too, called 'huel'.  haven't tried it, but they claim to be nutritionists
[14:13] <shauno> the guy behind joylent is overly honest.  he claims to have read some stuff on the internet
[14:32] <foobarry> slurm is a resource scheduler
[14:32] <foobarry> i have a slurm tshirt
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> did it come with a brainslug hat? :-)
[14:33] <foobarry> i have a redhat redhat
[14:33] <foobarry> its a fedora
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> i have a tux baseball cap
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> got it back in days of red hat 5.2...
[14:41] <foobarry> anyone use irssi libnotify?
[14:41] <foobarry> i have a redhat cap too
[14:41] <foobarry> 2 actually
[14:41] <foobarry> and a few plush tuxes
[14:43] <zmoylan-pi> i have 1-2 penguin toys about the place from penguin pencil parer to penguin ash tray and squeaky toy penguin
[14:44] <popey> i tried libnotify
[14:44] <popey> but didn't enjoy it, so use irssinotifier
[14:44] <popey> irssinotifier+ in fact
[14:44] <zmoylan-pi> the squeaky toy penguin is great of linux meetups as it's just right size to fit on table and the amount of geeks who enjoy making it squeak
[14:46] <foobarry> popey: libnotify got a rewrite
[14:46] <foobarry> https://github.com/stickster/irssi-libnotify
[14:47] <popey> that presumes irssi locally?
[14:48] <popey> oh, ew, ssh back from my server, no
[14:48] <davmor2> popey: what you need is a byobu plugin that has a big red alert at the bottom with the irssi details :)
[14:48] <popey> that presumes i have irssi on top of other windows
[14:49] <popey> which if it is, i dont need any nofitifcations
[14:49] <popey> if it isn't then I wont see that
[14:49] <davmor2> popey: what you need is a robotic arm that slaps you everytime I ping you let me work on that :P
[14:49]  * foobarry confused
[14:50] <foobarry> If you are running irssi remotely, currently your remote machine
[14:50] <foobarry> account would need to be able to SSH back to your local box without a
[14:50] <foobarry> passphrase.
[14:50] <foobarry> ah
[14:50] <foobarry> meh, thats unsatisfactory
[14:50] <foobarry> how does notifier+ work
[14:50] <foobarry> is that your phone?
[14:50] <popey> android tablet on my desk
[14:50] <popey> like a second screen
[14:51] <foobarry> actually for most purposes i do run irssi locally
[14:51] <foobarry> so this could work OK for me
[14:51] <popey> i guess i could run irssi locally and proxy through irssi on my server
[14:51] <foobarry> i don't like having to keep irssi visible, it makes me OCD
[14:51] <foobarry> can it do that? like a client?
[14:52] <davmor2> popey: you can run irssi proxy, have it email you whenever you get a ping, then you could run irssi locally and connect to irssi proxy and have it libnotify
[14:52] <popey> shush
[14:52] <popey> yes, you can run irssi remotely and just ssh in and use it in screen
[14:52] <popey> but also load the proxy module and connect in from another copy of irssi elsewhere
[14:52] <popey> tempted, did that before, can't recall why I stopped
[14:54] <foobarry> might look into that
[14:55] <diddledan> allo folks
[14:55] <davmor2> popey: proxy mode is what I use with xchat as a client to it.   CTCP PING reply from zmoylan-pi: 1.1869985 seconds
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> the cats here are smarter than that.  i thank the gods for nerf :-)
[15:25] <foobarry> WFH means that i have checked facebook less than normal
[15:26] <nigelb> foobarry: WFH means you work more hours too.
[15:26] <nigelb> It's hard to stop.
[15:27] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the thumb cat regime is coming for you armed to the hilt with mega nerf's ;)
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> i have mega nerf too
[15:28] <diddledan> thumbcats are evil!
[15:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: there are more of them :P
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> the local cat population loyal to me will swing the battle in my favour
[15:33] <foobarry> cats are loyal to nothing
[15:35] <diddledan> foobarry: except the overthrow of humanity
[15:42] <foobarry> if that happened, they would then overthrow other cats. just like all the revolutionaries
[17:02] <diddledan> why do the press think that microsoft are going to include caveats on their "upgrades for the life of the device" promise
[17:02] <diddledan> the latest is that a presentation includes the text "Revenue allocated is deferred and recognized on a straight-line basis over the estimated period the software upgrades are expected to be provided by estimated device life, which can range from two to four years." which several sites say means that windows will suddenly stop working somewhere between 2 and 4 years
[17:03] <diddledan> it sounds to me like the presentation is detailing how MS will calculate profit
[17:03] <shauno> because they already have ?
[17:03] <diddledan> rather than "we won't let people use windows until they pay moar"
[17:03] <shauno> "we will continue to keep it current via Windows Update for the supported lifetime of the device - at no cost."
[17:04] <shauno> "supported lifetime" _is_ a caveat.
[17:04] <diddledan> shauno: exactly, at no cost - these sites say after 2-4 years you have to pay
[17:05] <shauno> well, I guess we have to wait to find out what a "supported lifetime" is to figure that out
[17:05] <shauno> it could very well be 2-3 years if it's a warranty lifetime
[17:08] <shauno> I can understand them waiting for the fine print, is all :)
[17:08] <diddledan> they're not waiting tho - they're announcing "OMG THE END IS NEIGH (in 2-4 years)"
[17:22]  * p42phone waits at Euston for a train back to civilisation
[17:23] <diddledan> eep
[17:23] <diddledan> that's scaryville
[17:23] <diddledan> :-p
[17:23] <p42phone> More concrete vil
[17:26] <ali1234> the thing is literally nobody upgrades windows on computers any more
[17:27] <ali1234> in fact they go out of their way to avoid it
[17:27] <ali1234> people only upgrade because they got a new computer
[17:27]  * p42phone has spent the last 4 days at project meetings but at least the weather has been nice to walk around in the evenings
[17:27] <shauno> this rolling release thing might actually help that, I think
[17:27] <ali1234> yes that is clearly the point
[17:28] <ali1234> patching windows xp for 10 years or whatever must have been expensive
[17:28] <ali1234> that cost probably exceeded the revenue for windows xp -> vista upgrade licenses
[19:49] <diddledan> daftykins: new build today
[19:49] <daftykins> AGAIN!?
[19:49] <daftykins> :D
[19:49] <diddledan> :-p
[19:49] <daftykins> something super duper exciting happened today!
[19:49] <diddledan> oh?
[19:49] <daftykins> excuse the URL but it allows avoidance of dropbox's fail...
[19:49] <daftykins> https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADMovkkWIZ9Hz-ZDMvYbMzTqhfbuoXWjwCz-gU0uU4iKw/12/54276969/jpeg/32x32/1/1436475600/0/2/IMG_20150709_110715.jpg/COnm8BkgASACIAMgBCAFIAYgBygCKAc/wvL-usNa_J8UEIZRFhNzyqKEoI5gbQVuVrfs7VNcogU?size=1280x960&size_mode=2
[19:49] <daftykins> my bike parts came \o/
[19:50] <diddledan> ooh
[19:50] <diddledan> now to build a steam-powered spider
[19:50] <daftykins> :D
[19:50] <daftykins> more bike porn will be shared later
[19:50] <diddledan> I really loved that film
[19:50] <daftykins> wild wild west?
[19:50] <diddledan> I liked the steampunkyness
[19:50] <diddledan> yeah
[19:50] <daftykins> saw my dad watching it once, but never seen
[19:51] <diddledan> it's one that I can imagine the critics hated
[19:51] <diddledan> critics seem unable to have fun
[19:51] <diddledan> they for some reason need arty farty stuff
[19:51] <diddledan> like a person acting as a tree
[19:51] <daftykins> indeed, muchly flawed
[19:52] <diddledan> the kind of stuff that you imagine drama school to be encouraging
[19:52] <diddledan> like interpretive dance
[19:52] <daftykins> *shudder*
[19:52] <diddledan> indeed
[19:52] <daftykins> that made me think back to having forced drama lessons in secondary school
[19:52] <diddledan> I like a jolly good romp
[19:53] <daftykins> every time: "now i want you all to..."
 wat
[19:53] <diddledan> yeah back in school.. those things were evil - in our school it was so inane that the teacher wasn't the one driving the lesson - the lesson was a recorded radio4 programme
[19:54] <daftykins> wow
[19:54] <daftykins> did the teacher normally take a real subject?
[19:55] <diddledan> yeah these were in primary school so we had the same teacher for everything. we had separate teachers in secondary school - that was more sane
[19:55] <daftykins> ah yes
[19:55] <diddledan> I didn't mind secondary school drama becasue we did proper acting
[19:56] <daftykins> said Sir Patrick Stewart
[19:56] <daftykins> :>
[19:56] <diddledan> lol
[19:56] <diddledan> I really love patrick's shakespearian delivery of cpt picard
[19:56] <diddledan> it really made the series for me
[19:56] <diddledan> I thought he was awesome
[19:57] <diddledan> he also wasn't averse to the overacting that is required for startrek :-p
[19:57] <daftykins> :D
[19:58] <daftykins> guy we know over in upstate NY has been repairing sewing machines of late
[19:58] <daftykins> got to say "make it sew" for real ;_;
[19:58] <shauno> best worst delivery of a frenchman ever?
[19:58] <diddledan> o_O
[19:58] <diddledan> lol
[19:58] <diddledan> shauno: haha
[19:58] <daftykins> i like to think he was just named by a cruel person and moved somewhere foolish
[19:58]  * daftykins whistles
[20:00] <shauno> actually, that's what I might do this evening.  I gave up after search for spock the other night
[20:00] <daftykins> i watched them all in order recently, does seem to not be worth it after that :>
[20:00] <shauno> and entirely regretted it when I had to sit through a two hour conference call on changes in the complaints process after having neglected to sleep :/
[20:00] <diddledan> I've still not seen the starwarts eps 2 and 3, I really must watch the entire series of 6 (including jarjar stinks) in-order to get ready for ep7
[20:01] <shauno> no no.  you must not.
[20:01] <shauno> it's not worth it man
[20:01] <daftykins> shauno: new policy, complaint = air lock -> space.
[20:01] <shauno> spaaaaaaaaaaaace
[20:01] <shauno> (Sorry)
[20:02] <shauno> hm, I wonder if my netflix is still broken
[20:03] <daftykins> i think everyones is... i hear they can remove content - with no warning! D:
[20:03] <daftykins> :)
[20:04] <foobarry> being over 40 hurts
[20:04] <foobarry> my brain can't be bothered to read long man pages any more
[20:05] <foobarry> like get-iplayer pvr features
[20:05] <daftykins> i feel like man pages are written by engineers who really hate doing documentation
[20:05] <diddledan> shauno: it's a good job netflix chose the right font: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/be/84/89/be8489aee0a8076750e85f40f4942559.jpg
[20:05] <daftykins> so they write it so you will hate them
[20:07] <shauno> I don't have much problem with them removing content
[20:07] <shauno> their irish offering much more suffers from never adding content in the first place
[20:08] <daftykins> ah i see
[20:08] <daftykins> VPN o'clock? :) or other such sneaky tech
[20:09] <shauno> right, that's what I mean by broken :)  the only real use for netflix here is if you "happen" to have a "broken" network config :)
[20:12] <daftykins> hmm my mates mate hasn't fixed tvcatchup.com being geoIP banned here on the rocks yet :P
[20:13] <diddledan> your mate's mate?!
[20:13] <diddledan> you have friends in high places?????
[20:14] <daftykins> runs the service :)
[20:14] <diddledan> jeez, that's sneaky
[20:14] <foobarry> get-iplayer --pvr doesn't seem to download anything or give errors
[20:15] <daftykins> diddledan: the way tvcatchup avoids the regs?
[20:15] <shauno> do you have anything in --pvr-list  ?
[20:15] <foobarry> yes
[20:15] <diddledan> daftykins: nah, knowing the guy
[20:15] <foobarry> pvr-list looks weird actually
[20:16] <daftykins> ah
[20:16] <diddledan> o_O windows IoT for the pi has a few elf binaries
[20:16] <daftykins> yeah pretty jammy :> although i don't watch TV
[20:16] <foobarry> fixed the list, still no worky
[20:16] <foobarry> can anyone share a working --pvr-list output?
[20:17] <foobarry> is it case sensitive?
[20:18] <shauno> hm, mine are all the correct case, but I suspect they were pasted from search results
[20:20] <foobarry> ./get_iplayer --pvr-add=Morph "Morph" --tvmode=best --channel="CBeebies" --output "~/Videos/TV/Morph" --type=tv --fileprefix="<nameshort>-<senum>-<episodeshort>"
[20:20] <davmor2> diddledan: I've met them, they help santa Juan and Nil
[20:21] <foobarry> aaaagh its on CBBC
[20:21] <foobarry> sorry
[20:21] <foobarry> oh, still no worky
[20:24] <diddledan> foobarry: what's the second Morph do?
[20:24] <diddledan> --pvr-add=Morph "Morph"
[20:24] <foobarry> one is the pvr name
[20:24] <foobarry> second one is the search string
[20:24] <diddledan> ok, try putting the search last
[20:26] <davmor2> diddledan: those are the binary elves you're on about right :D
[20:26] <foobarry> donesn't work still
[20:28] <foobarry> sorry guys,
[20:29] <foobarry> got it working now
[20:30] <foobarry> i'd previously done a search/download of morph, and although it wasn't in the intended directory, it must have been cached somewhere that i'd downloaded before
[20:30] <foobarry> tried the clangers and it worked
[20:37] <foobarry> can't believe it took me so long to get round to this pvr mode
[20:51] <jussi> Morning


[03:02] <ajg4M3l5> Good evening folks. Can anyone help me with a purchasing decision?
[03:28] <randall> ok
[06:01] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: Hi Martin, could you please have a look a this when you have some free time? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1605571
[06:02] <alkisg> I think it will be solved for the ubuntu-mate live CD by adding 2 lines in the seeds, fcitx-data and fcitx-module-x11
[06:02] <alkisg> Or, it can be solved by removing fcitx-bin from the seeds, as it was the case back in vivid
[06:02] <alkisg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu-mate.xenial/live
[06:08] <alkisg> Hmm I see that you removed " * Feature: no-follow-recommends" in the yakkety seeds, so all the fcitx packages will be pulled there..
[08:30] <nick__> how do i get 16.04 mate to boot from dvd drive at start up i want to install and leave out my windows xp totally. have not got much data on ubuntu have been trying it for a week all my windows data is on a external drive so there is no problem
[08:43] <nomic> don't you change something in the bios to get it to autoboot from something other than hard drive
[08:43] <nomic> there was 'boot sequence'
[08:44] <nomic> it looks for hard  drive then your cd
[08:44] <nomic> used to be floppy
[08:44] <nomic> a b c
[08:44] <nomic> nick__
[08:44] <nick__> yes
[08:45] <nomic> cos other than bios can't think of anything that gets dvd to boot from @ boot stage
[08:45] <nomic> thats the only thing after turn on -> boot
[08:45] <nomic> so, change your bios settings
[08:45] <nomic> = F2 on many machines
[08:45] <nomic> F2 as it starts up
[08:47] <nick__> thanks will try it
[08:55] <nick__> hi it's nick again i tried f2 it worked what is the command that i must type to boot from dvd drive?
[09:01] <nomic> well in bios setup, it requires changes
[09:01] <nomic> change boot sequence
[09:03] <nick__> do i type change boot sequence?
[09:04] <nomic> what make is your pc
[09:06] <nick__> i had it built for me 12 years ago by a private guy  it has an asus mother board and intel celeron i think 2,6 that's all i know
[09:09] <nick__> am going to get a new pc that's why i experimented with ubuntu and am impressed
[09:09] <nomic> thing is.  all bios setups are unique
[09:09] <nomic> mostly
[09:10] <nomic> nothing to do with OS
[09:10] <nomic> within bios, settings, there is "boot sequence"
[09:10] <nomic> you change it ,, within the BIOS menu (setup)
[09:10] <nomic> then save it
[09:12] <nomic> https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how%20to%20change%20boot%20sequence%20in%20bios
[09:12] <nomic> http://www.boot-disk.com/boot_priority.htm
[09:12] <nomic> you must read, apply to your situation
[09:13] <nomic> http://www.boot-disk.com/images/screen/boot_priority.gif   <- do you see that kind of a screen
[09:13] <nomic> most common bios = "phoenix" .. yours is 12 years old
[09:13] <nomic> will be phoenix
[09:15] <nick__> yes i can't do it with windows start up since i put ubuntu alongside my xp with xp  when i loaded ubuntu i did it by f9 and then changing boot sequence but it does'nt do it now so i want to try from ubuntu or i will have to uninstall and install again
[09:15] <nomic> http://www.masterslair.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/asus-p7p55d-e-motherboard-bios-ai-tweaker-voltage-section.jpg
[09:15] <nomic> shows asus motherboard bios
[09:15] <nomic> top menu option ^ = "boot"
[09:15] <nomic> within = boot sequenc
[09:15] <nomic> change and file it, reboot
[09:15] <nick__> ok thanks
[09:15] <nomic> http://www.boot-disk.com/images/screen/boot_priority.gif  <- that screen "boot"
[09:16] <nomic> gives you what media is on your system
[09:16] <nomic> says (there "shift+1" to enable or disable) .. so on that, move selector down to dvd drive & shift f1
[09:16] <nomic> F10 = save setting you made & exit
[09:16] <nomic> = boot
[09:17] <klarave> amd
[09:18] <nomic> have you got into your bios settings screens
[09:19] <nick__> not now but earl
[09:19] <nomic> sure, you have to be offline to do it
[09:20] <nomic> when you are in, navigate to "boot" menu item/settings
[09:20] <nick__> ok
[09:22] <nick__> thanks sorry for the trouble
[09:28] <nomic> sign of fialure of microsoft -- how many people are still on XP .. good percentage of pc users
[09:33] <alkisg> Nah, it means that it was a good OS that was supported by many many app vendors for many years after its release
[09:33] <YankDownUnder> A large sign of failure on the part of Microsoft is the amount of people that are moving to Macs and to linux...however, oddly enough, THOSE statistics do NOT make it to the public domain...hmm...
[09:33] <alkisg> While e.g. we can't run newer apps in older linux versions, we have to update all the stack
[09:34] <alkisg> Due to constant API breakage
[09:36] <nomic> what I was saying was that they did not manage to produce anything that the users of XP wanted
[09:36] <nomic> they hadn't improved their basic GUI/filing system (& they still haven't)
[09:36] <nomic> the only improvement = mobile
[09:36] <nomic> and they are out of that
[09:36] <nomic> they cannot compete against their own basic products
[09:37] <alkisg> xp users did have a good os and the newest browsers and image editors and all, they didn't miss anything
[09:37] <alkisg> An OS doesn't have to be upgraded just for the sake of it
[09:37] <nomic> its 16 years old now
[09:37] <nomic> yeah - thats what they realise now
[09:37] <nomic> cos they're trying to make  their OS a service
[09:37] <alkisg> That shows just how really good it was
[09:37] <nomic> it wasn't good
[09:38] <alkisg> Well Linux is so much slower, 16 years later
[09:38] <nomic> its slower?
[09:39] <alkisg> Yup, a lot, due to bad api and implementation
[09:39] <alkisg> Don't count the add-ons like antiviruses, count the os performance only
[09:40] <alkisg> (btw I stopped using windows in favour of linux in 2007, so I don't think I'm biased)
[09:40] <alkisg> I was a windows programmer for 17 years, a linux programmer since 2007
[09:40] <nomic> you make money out of linux programming?
[09:41] <alkisg> Yup
[09:41] <ali1234> XP is far, far slower than modern Linux in almost every possible way
[09:42] <alkisg> ali1234: care to show any benchmarks for that? because e.g. graphics are 2 times slower in the same cards
[09:43] <ali1234> do you have any examples other than graphics?
[09:43] <ali1234> (which has nothing to do with XP or linux, it's the drivers)
[09:44] <alkisg> The drivers implement an API
[09:44] <alkisg> Xorg has a network oriented api, so it's slow
[09:44] <ali1234> and the APIs are identical
[09:44] <alkisg> Of course not
[09:44] <alkisg> Xorg is the same as winapi graphics?!!!
[09:44] <ali1234> opengl is different between windows and linux?
[09:45] <alkisg> windows has directx
[09:45] <alkisg> that's the native protocol
[09:45] <alkisg> And it's implemented on top of the graphics drivers, it's not a driver
[09:45] <alkisg> It's something like middleware
[09:45] <alkisg> Anyways, sorry guys but I have to go
[09:45] <alkisg> Maybe we can continue some other time
[09:45] <alkisg> bb
[09:46] <ali1234> you should compare benchmarks which the OS actually has some chance of affecting, like disk throughput or process switching overhead
[10:23] <ouroumov> Hm, interesting
[10:23] <ouroumov> uBlock Origin broke ArsTechnica
[10:23] <ouroumov> I think they externalized one of their .css files for some reason
[10:50] <Langley> Hi, does anyone know how to make Backspace go back in Firefox
[10:51] <ouroumov> Hi Langley
[10:51] <ouroumov> I don't know sorry, are you unsatisfied with ALT+Left arrow?
[10:53] <Langley> Yes, can't press that with one hand
[10:53] <bekks> you could use the back button as well
[10:54] <Langley> I wanna use the Backspace button... but alt+left is better than the mouse, didnt know about that, so thanks
[10:55] <ouroumov> I'm looking at about:config and I haven't found a backspace key option
[10:57] <ouroumov> Apparently it's the same for every version of Linux
[10:57] <bekks> Apparently it has nothing to do with Linux, but with firefox only.
[10:58] <ouroumov> ohwait: https://itsfoss.com/enable-backspace-firefox-ubuntu-linux/
[11:01] <ouroumov> So Langley in case you read the logs later: about:config -> search for "backspace", set "browser.backspace_action" to "0"
[12:16] <frail_trev> hi everyone, I have developed a problem with  ubuntu 16.04 on my other laptop. After start-up and pwd entry the screen remains blank and only responds to a rt-click which provides a new pane with limited options, but I cannot run thee main programme. Any suggestions would be welcomed! I can get into 'terminal' - so is there a command which might en
[12:16] <frail_trev> able the main op to run?
[13:02] <nomic> frail_trev
[13:02] <nomic> efficient to ask on ubuntu / mate forum s
[13:02] <nomic> also
[13:03] <ouroumov> He left
[13:03] <nomic> doesn't say he left
[13:03] <ouroumov> * frail_trev<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
[13:03] <nomic> no idicator 'left'
[13:03] <nomic> in chan
[13:04] <ouroumov> What IRC client are you using?
[13:05] <nomic> xchat
[13:05] <ouroumov> Do you see any join/part messages?
[13:31] <nomic> yeah
[13:32] <nomic> http://pastebin.com/CgEzMwRm
[13:32] <nomic> see
[13:32] <nomic> oops
[13:32] <nomic> I DID NOT SEE IT
[13:32] <nomic> my eyes
[13:32] <nomic> is in red
[13:32] <nomic> im outside in sunlight
[14:30] <nibblyn> Hi! On a laptop the HDMI secondary display output is not working (no signal) after fresh install of UbuntuMate 16.04. It is working properly with the live iso from the very beginning of the boot process. Unfortunately a standard system update was already performed but it should not be the issue. Nouveau driver in use in both cases. What are the differences between the two boot processes which may trigger this
[14:30] <nibblyn> behavior? Thanks.
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> have you enabled the 2nd screen in dipslays?
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> [i.e. is the hdmi screen detected & enabled there?]
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> ....just a thought.  No neccessarily the answer.
[14:43] <mate|51050> hello, i have um 16.04 and in the top panel i can see a icon to change between intel or nvidia driver,  when using the Ubuntu Mate layout in mate tweak, but i have made a custom layout and i cant find how to put that icon on the custom panel?
[14:44] <nibblyn> SuperEngineer, yes, tried that without success. Neither disper (screen toggler) nor xrandr solved the issue. Diagnostic tools report fine except that there is still no signal.
[14:46] <nibblyn> SuperEngineer, are the kernel started with some particular parameters during live? I don't know what else to think about.
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> nibblyn: sorry, don'yt know the answer to that
[14:54] <nibblyn> SuperEngineer, thanks anyway
[15:04] <ubuntu-mate> hallo hoe krijg ik mijn beeld goed
[16:22] <javier_> buenas tardes
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> He olvidado la mayor parte de mi español - pero buen día para ti también
[16:31] <javier_> acabo de instalar ubuntu-mate en la raspberry pi 3
[16:32] <javier_> y estoy probando`esto, por cierto es la primera vez que uso linux
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> soory, no tengo un profundo conocimiento de la utilización de un pi
[16:43] <javier_> perdonadme si hago algomal pero realmente es la primera vez que uso linux y no me entreo de nada todavia
[20:25] <Guest61703> Hi guys I can't connect my android cellphone via bluetooth
[20:26] <Guest61703> both devices have active bluetooth connection but they dont talk
[20:35] <sfxworks> Hi. Learning all this is fun... But im looking for something like dreamweaver for this machine. Catch 22 is I'm using a rasperry pi. So it has to work with ARM architecture..
[20:35] <sfxworks> I seee... Geany...
[20:35] <sfxworks> but I no likes...
[21:07] <t3kg33k> Hi all
[21:07] <sfxworks> o/
[21:08] <t3kg33k> I just install 16.04 and I seem to be having the same problem with videos in VLC like I had in 15.10. The best way to describe is screen tearing. Any idea on how to fix it?
[21:20] <randall> screen tearing just in vlc? or theentire deaktop?
[21:23] <t3kg33k> VLC
[21:24] <randall> did you try fixing it within vlc?
[21:24] <t3kg33k> Not sure how I would fix it in VLC
[21:25] <randall> click on video while playing something, and try experimenting with deiterlacing