[05:11] <mborzecki> morning
[05:57] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[05:58] <mvo> hey mborzecki - good morning
[05:59] <mborzecki> mvo: when's the release?
[06:01] <mvo> mborzecki: 2.36~pre2 happend last friday but it looks like we need a 2.35.5 :/
[06:01] <mvo> mborzecki: why? anything important pending?
[06:03] <mborzecki> mvo: no, just checking if we could squeeze in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5979
[06:03] <mup> PR #5979: install: don't start disabled services <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5979>
[06:03] <mvo> mborzecki: mark it for 2.36 please
[06:03] <mvo> mborzecki: and alsp please mark for squash merge to merge the cherry-pick/pr easier
[06:04] <mborzecki> mvo: marked
[06:05] <mup> PR snapd#5983 opened: interfaces/home: don't allow snaps to write to $HOME/bin (2.35) <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5983>
[06:06] <mvo> mborzecki: ta
[06:07] <mvo> zyga: 5974 has some comment improvement suggestions, could you do a followup with those? I will merge and pull into 2.35 so that things move here
[06:07] <mup> PR snapd#5974 closed: osutil: workaround overlayfs on ubuntu 18.10 <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5974>
[06:07] <mvo> zyga: in case you didn't already, not sure if all points where addressed
[06:25] <mvo> mborzecki: jdstrand pushed a bunch of PRs that look important but he did not attach a milestone - do you happen to know what he needs? I tagged them as 2.36
[06:25] <mvo> mborzecki: but I'm not sure if we might even pull things into 2.35 (cc zyga)
[06:27] <mborzecki> mvo: i recall the one about scrubbing env on profile change, i see it's tagged for 2.36
[07:13] <zyga> re
[07:13] <zyga> good morning
[07:13] <zyga> sorry for starting late, very very rough night
[07:13] <zyga> mvo: looking at 5974
[07:14] <zyga> ah that, I need to digest those as, as we were discussing in on IRC, we were also talking in the pull request
[07:15] <zyga> mvo: I believe all the code there is correct, we can tweak the comment
[07:15] <zyga> mvo: I will look at Jamie's pr's now
[07:15] <zyga> jdrab: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982 this one is very important
[07:15] <mup> PR #5982: interfaces/many: conditionally use 'unsafe' with docker-support change_profile rules <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982>
[07:17] <mup> PR snapd#5983 closed: interfaces/home: don't allow snaps to write to $HOME/bin (2.35) <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5983>
[07:17] <zyga> the k8s pull requests are something I was not tracking so I cannot asses those
[07:18] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:18] <mvo> zyga: thanks
[07:20] <mborzecki> zyga: pstolowski: hey
[07:20] <zyga> the unsafe PR is holly smokes long :)
[07:51] <zyga> mvo: I left some comments on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5980#pullrequestreview-164581442 - I suspect we should rename the fields/methods to match go naming scheme but otherwise this is a very welcome improvement
[07:51] <mup> PR #5980: interfaces/apparmor: conditionally add explicit deny rules for ptrace <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5980>
[07:51] <zyga> mvo: please let me know if you want to see those extra changes as additional patches in this PR directly or as a separate PR
[07:52] <mvo> zyga: ta, I have a look in a wee bit
[07:52] <zyga> British English wee bit :)
[07:53] <mvo> zyga: I don't know :) the wee as in little
[07:53] <zyga> exactly
[07:53] <zyga> that's what I meant :)
[07:53] <mvo> are there more meanings than this one?
[07:54] <zyga> not that I know of, I meant that it is specific to British English as a way to say little
[07:54] <sparkiegeek> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wee#Adjective https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wee#Noun
[07:54] <sparkiegeek> oh, I meant to link to Etymology 2
[07:55] <zyga> lol
[07:55] <zyga> that's new :)
[07:55] <zyga> TIL wee things matter
[07:58] <zyga> pstolowski: is 5975 something we can land for 2.36?
[07:58] <zyga> it's +2 green right now
[07:59] <pstolowski> zyga: we could yes, but mvo wanted to have a look i think
[07:59]  * zyga looks at k8s pull request
[07:59] <zyga> mvo: I would vote +1 on that since it makes everyday "snap tasks" much more understandable and accurate
[07:59] <zyga> mvo: but please do see it before merging
[08:00] <pstolowski> (let's squash merge then if we do)
[08:00] <zyga> sure, please set a tag there
[08:04] <mvo> zyga: yeah, I think its good, looking now (sorry, just had to finish the classic dimension forum post before it escapes my mind again :)
[08:04] <zyga> cool, thank you for doing that - I will gladly read it soon
[08:06] <Chipaca> good morning
[08:07] <zyga> good morning sir
[08:09] <Chipaca> zyga: are we there yet?
[08:10] <zyga> no, not quite
[08:10] <Chipaca> aww
[08:23] <mvo> pstolowski: 5975 looks great, please go ahead and squash merge it so that we can backport to 2.36
[08:23] <pstolowski> mvo: great, ty!
[08:24] <mvo> zyga: anything else we might need for 2.35.5 ? if not I will go ahead with this soon
[08:29] <zyga> mvo: I don't know of anything else but let me look at the full list of PRs
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#5975 closed: ifacestate/hooks: only create interface hook tasks if hooks exist <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5975>
[08:40] <pstolowski> mvo: merged, shall i prepare PR for 2.36?
[08:40] <mvo> pstolowski: please do
[08:40] <pstolowski> sure
[08:40] <mvo> pstolowski: thank you
[08:42] <zyga> mvo: perhaps a subset of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5696/files
[08:42] <mup> PR #5696: interfaces/opengl: add additional accesses for cuda <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5696>
[08:42] <zyga> where we have the extra directory but not the part that jdstrand pointed out (the mknod perm)
[08:43] <zyga> mvo: otherwise nothing else I see for 3.35.x
[08:46] <mup> PR snapd#5984 opened: ifacestate/hooks: only create interface hook tasks if hooks exist (2.36) <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5984>
[08:51] <mvo> zyga: thanks for double checking. I looked at 5980, it looks good, I agree with your comments about naming conventions though
[08:51] <zyga> I can push a patch to change it there and in the other PRs that are built on it
[08:52] <pstolowski> mvo, zyga ^ pr for 2.36 is up
[08:52] <mborzecki> pstolowski: did a pass on #5962
[08:52] <mup> PR #5962: ifacestate/hotplug: hotplug handlers <Complex> <Hotplug 🔌> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5962>
[08:52] <mvo> pstolowski: cool, thanks
[08:54] <mborzecki> heh github, if you search with query https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+%F0%9F%94%8C (using the hotplug emoji) it finds no PRs
[08:55] <pstolowski> mborzecki: thanks!
[09:07] <pstolowski> mborzecki: +1 for #5966, with one remaks (perhaps degville can help again)
[09:07] <mup> PR #5966: snap: overhaul validation error messages <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5966>
[09:10] <niemeyer> Yeah, the emojis are funny, but we should probably drop them
[09:10] <niemeyer> Morning all
[09:11] <mvo> good morning niemeyer
[09:12] <niemeyer> mvo: Yo
[09:12] <Chipaca> mborzecki: does searching by the contents of a tag find things? (doesn't work with 'complex' either)
[09:13] <mborzecki> Chipaca: probably not, seems like freetext search ignores labels
[09:20] <mvo> Chipaca: a while ago you looked into uc16 to ensure things cleanly unmount on stop/reboot, do you think you could you do the same for uc18 again?
[09:21] <Chipaca> mvo: I think I probably could :-) do you know it doesn't?
[09:21] <mvo> ppisati: did you had any luck getting to the bottom of the 4.15 pi3 b+ ethernet connection issues?
[09:21] <mvo> Chipaca: I suspect it might be :/
[09:22] <Chipaca> mvo: ok. Is there a working intel core18 i could look at?
[09:22] <mvo> Chipaca: http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/core18/
[09:22] <mvo> Chipaca: so http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/core18/core18-amd64-18-beta20180823.img.xz
[09:22] <Chipaca> thanks
[09:22] <mvo> Chipaca: should work, please do let me know if you notice anything
[09:23] <mvo> Chipaca: thank *you*
[09:24] <pstolowski> mvo: i think #5969 needs master merged, the base PR already landed
[09:24] <mup> PR #5969:  apparmor: add unit test for probeAppArmorParser and simplify code  <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5969>
[09:25] <mvo> pstolowski: thanks, done
[09:27] <pstolowski> thx
[09:28] <ppisati> mvo: the fix is already queued in bionic
[09:29] <mvo> ppisati: \o/
[09:29] <mvo> ppisati: great to hear, do you have a rough eta for the snap? I guess its too much work to just do an edge build of the pi-kernel (?)
[09:32] <ppisati> mvo: as soon as the new SRU kernel is released - IIRC they cut a new kernel tomorrow, then it's 2 weeks after that
[09:32] <ppisati> mvo: but there was a respin of kernels last week, so the window might have slide a bit
[09:34] <ppisati> *slid
[09:35] <mvo> ppisati: ok. I wish we had git snapshots in the edge channel :) but I guess that is a wishlist item for another day. might actually be nice for you guys as well to get people testing/validating fixes
[09:35] <mvo> ppisati: thanks for this update!
[09:42] <mborzecki> Chipaca: i'm looking at snapshot file names, the code does not reverse the file name anywhere, so we sould be safe there wrt. parallel instances and extra _
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: yep, the filename is for the sysadmin, snapshots doesn't infer info from it
[09:43] <mborzecki> Chipaca: mhm, cool
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: only thing where it might be a problem is creating duplicate filenames, which we might not check for
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: but we use InstanceName so should be fine, afaik
[09:43] <mborzecki> Chipaca: yes, instance names are unique
[09:43] <Chipaca> i mean afaik we use instance name :)
[09:44] <Chipaca> mvo: how long does the 'resize partition' step take, usually? boot's been stuck there for a while now
[09:46] <mvo> Chipaca: probably entropy :(
[09:46] <mvo> Chipaca: just hammer at some keys
[09:46] <Chipaca> heh, that was it
[09:47]  * mvo weeps a bit in the corner about this problem
[09:47] <mborzecki> heh, wonder what one will do when there's no keyboard attached
[09:48] <mborzecki> wiggle some gpios
[09:48]  * Chipaca suddenly wishes for "base: core | core18
[09:51] <Chipaca> huh
[09:51] <Chipaca> mvo: a 'snap install' got aborted by a refresh of core18; is that expected?
[09:51] <zyga> aborted?
[09:51] <zyga> can we even do that?
[09:52] <Chipaca> might've been just coincidence
[09:52] <Chipaca> 'snap tasks' say 'server misbehaving'
[09:57] <zyga> mvo: actually
[09:57] <zyga> mvo: perhaps https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982#pullrequestreview-164628872 is a candidate for .5
[09:57] <zyga> mvo: but it is stacked on top of a pile of other things
[09:57] <zyga> so unsure
[09:57] <mup> PR #5982: interfaces/many: conditionally use 'unsafe' with docker-support change_profile rules <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982>
[09:58] <zyga> you marked that PR as targeting 2.36 so perhaps you know better
[10:09] <Chipaca> mvo: bad news: we're hitting a variant of https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8155
[10:10] <mvo> zyga: I can wait for jamie to clarify
[10:11] <mvo> Chipaca: uhhh
[10:11] <Chipaca> mvo: maybe :)
[10:11]  * Chipaca is still digging
[10:11] <Chipaca> but, yeah, we just see the nasty [  364.293811] systemd-shutdown[1]: Failed to wait for process: Protocol error
[10:11] <Chipaca> which seems to mean that systemd < 238
[10:12] <mvo> Chipaca: hrm, hrm, or would need to sru
[10:12] <Chipaca> yeah, systemd --version says 237
[10:12] <Chipaca> we could also backport https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/8429/files
[10:12] <mup> PR systemd/systemd#8429: sd-shutdown improvements <ci-fails/needs-rework 🔥> <merged-but-needs-fixing> <pid1> <Created by medhefgo> <Merged by keszybz> <https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/8429>
[10:13] <zyga> uh fun
[10:13] <zyga> (not)
[10:13] <Chipaca> mvo: but all that _really_ does is turn up the logging
[10:13] <Chipaca> bah, maybe :)
[10:13] <Chipaca> for our case it might be the only difference
[10:13] <Chipaca> i wonder if i can't turn up the logging without that
[10:13] <mvo> Chipaca: ok
[10:22] <Chipaca> mvo: so. we might not need that patch
[10:22] <Chipaca> mvo: it's just that our systemd-shutdown helper unit isn't getting triggered
[10:22] <Chipaca> digging continues
[10:23] <Chipaca> that is: if I set it up by hand, I get
[10:23] <mvo> Chipaca: oh, nice
[10:23] <Chipaca> Successfully changed into root pivot.
[10:23] <Chipaca> Returning to initrd...
[10:23] <Chipaca> snapd system-shutdown helper: started.
[10:23] <Chipaca> snapd system-shutdown helper: no reboot parameter
[10:23] <Chipaca> snapd system-shutdown helper: * unable to disassociate loop device /dev/loop0s: No such device or address
[10:23] <Chipaca> snapd system-shutdown helper: - was able to unmount writable cleanly
[10:23] <Chipaca> snapd system-shutdown helper: - halting.
[10:23] <mvo> Chipaca: so maybe just a missing symlink to activate it?
[10:23] <Chipaca> pr'aps
[10:23] <Chipaca> rebooting to see :-)
[10:23] <zyga> Chipaca: really /dev/loop0s?
[10:23] <mvo> Chipaca: I can look for this is that helps you :)
[10:23] <zyga> what even is that
[10:24] <Chipaca> $ systemctl is-enabled snapd.system-shutdown.service
[10:24] <Chipaca> enabled
[10:25] <Chipaca> mvo: so it's not that :-|
[10:25] <Chipaca> zyga: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[10:26] <Chipaca> zyga: /dev/loop0; the s is probably a typo
[10:26] <Chipaca> zyga: 			kmsg("* unable to disassociate loop device %ss: %s",
[10:26] <zyga> ah
[10:26] <Chipaca> :)
[10:26] <zyga> good
[10:26] <zyga> at least
[10:26] <zyga> loop0 is probably the boot snap
[10:27] <Chipaca> it's probably fine;  disassociation is automatic after dunno-what-utils-linux-version
[10:28] <Chipaca> mvo: so,  the unit is enabled; it's not getting activated afaict
[10:28] <Chipaca> probably changes to systemd-shutdown
[10:29] <mvo> Chipaca: :/ hrm, hrm
[10:30] <Chipaca> ah
[10:30] <Chipaca> i think i might know why
[10:32] <Chipaca> mvo: the snapd snap does not ship sh
[10:33] <zyga> huh? why would we need to ship sh?
[10:34] <Chipaca> well, we don't, but we then create snapd.system-shutdown.service as if we did
[10:34] <zyga> is the service using shell?
[10:35] <Chipaca> sudo sed -i -e 's|/snap/snapd/659/bin/sh|/snap/core18/304/bin/dash|' /etc/systemd/system/snapd.system-shutdown.service && sudo systemctl daemon-reload -> works
[10:35] <Chipaca> zyga: ExecStart=/snap/core18/304/bin/dash -euc 'mount /run -o remount,exec; mkdir -p /run/initramfs; cp /usr/lib/snapd/system-shutdown /run/initramfs/shutdown'
[10:35] <zyga> ohohh
[10:35] <zyga> I see
[10:36] <mvo> Chipaca: oh woah - nice catch!
[10:36] <Chipaca> I don't remember why it does that instead of having multiple ExecStart= lines
[10:36] <Chipaca> let me try that instea
[10:36] <Chipaca> probably more portable
[10:36]  * Chipaca tries
[10:37] <Chipaca> of course if I had 'vi' this would be slightly easier :-D
[10:39] <mvo> Chipaca: I thought we added this
[10:39] <mvo> Chipaca: maybe you need a newer core18?
[10:39] <Chipaca> mvo: I'll let it refresh
[10:40] <mvo> ok
[10:40] <Chipaca> mvo: which 'this' is this, btw?
[10:42] <mvo> Chipaca: I thought we added "vi" to core18
[10:42] <mvo> (vim.tiny to be exact)
[10:42] <Chipaca> mvo: ah, possibly, it seems the core image was ~200 revisions behind
[10:44] <zyga> brb, dog
[10:45] <Chipaca> ok
[10:45] <Chipaca> so
[10:45] <Chipaca> easy fix
[10:45] <mup> PR snapd#5985 opened: overlord/many: cleanup use of snapName vs. instanceName <Parallel installs ⛓> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5985>
[10:46] <mvo> Chipaca: I like the ring of "easy fix" \o/
[10:47] <Chipaca> mvo: what creates snapd.system-shutdown.service?
[10:48] <Chipaca> mvo: found it
[10:51] <Chipaca> hmm
[10:51] <Chipaca> mvo: what changes /bin/sh to /snap/snapd/<revno>/bin/sh ?
[10:55] <Chipaca> mvo: found it
[10:55] <sil2100> mvo: I have uploaded the probert with the fix for db that mwhudson prepared to our PPA, once it's built I'll be triggering a new core18
[10:56] <sil2100> Once that's in would be nice to confirm that the probert crash is gone
[10:56] <sil2100> zyga: ^
[11:00] <mvo> sil2100: nice
[11:00] <mvo> sil2100: I will test with my pi-64bit
[11:01] <zyga> As will once back
[11:02] <mvo> sil2100: nice fix
[11:03] <mvo> sil2100: great that this is under control
[11:14] <mvo> Chipaca: fwiw, this fix sounds a lot like we want it in 2.35.5 just to be one the safe side (if its someting that needs to go into snapd)
[11:15] <Chipaca> k
[11:15] <mvo> Chipaca: ta
[11:15] <mvo> Chipaca: but don't worry about this, I can do the backporting etc
[11:16] <Chipaca> mvo: there is no worry; there is only do
[11:16] <mvo> :)
[11:16] <mvo> DO!
[11:16]  * mvo hugs Chipaca
[11:22] <zyga> sil2100: is that the image from Friday good for testing?
[11:23] <zyga> mvo: release day is like xmas
[11:23] <zyga> everyone has a present
[11:23] <sil2100> No, not yet
[11:23] <sil2100> I mean, not anymore ;)
[11:23] <sil2100> I'll have a new one soonish
[11:23] <zyga> ok
[11:23] <sil2100> The packages  need to publish though
[11:24] <zyga> I'll grab lunch quickly then
[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#5986 opened: data/systemd, wrappers: tweak system-shutdown helper for core18 <Simple 😃> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5986>
[11:26] <Chipaca> mvo, zyga: ^
[11:26] <Chipaca> ooh, lunch, a capital idea
[11:26] <pstolowski> mborzecki: +1 on  #5985, would be good to land it fast
[11:27] <mup> PR #5985: overlord/many: cleanup use of snapName vs. instanceName <Parallel installs ⛓> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5985>
[11:28] <mvo> Chipaca: thank you
[11:33] <zyga> Chipaca: reviewed
[11:39] <sil2100> mvo: ummm, could you re-build core18 snap? Since currently I guess the main snap recipe is owned by you for now
[11:39] <sil2100> probert is good
[11:49] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids
[11:58] <jdstrand> mvo: hi!
[12:00] <jdstrand> mvo: I didn't tag those as 2.36 because I wasn't sure how suitable they were for it at this point in time and was going to let you decide (they are bigger than whatI (and probably you) were expecting last week
[12:00] <jdstrand> needless to say, they took more than 'a few hours'
[12:01] <jdstrand> mvo: I mean, I'm happy if they go into 2.36, but having them just in trunk is ok too
[12:01] <jdstrand> mvo: but I wanted to talk to you about this: audit: type=1400 audit(1539604887.557:452): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="snap.hello-world.env" name="/sbin/apparmor_parser" pid=30864 comm="snap-exec" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[12:02] <jdstrand> mvo: it seems every snap run invocation is causing this. let me know when you have a moment
[12:03] <zyga> woah?
[12:03] <zyga> so snap-exec runs apparmor_parser
[12:03] <zyga> probably in the quest to compute system key
[12:03] <zyga> or something similar?
[12:03] <jdstrand> that is what I was thinking
[12:03] <zyga> what is worse
[12:03] <zyga> if apaprmor is updated
[12:03] <zyga> and we have a new apparmor parser
[12:03] <zyga> the system key will not match
[12:04] <zyga> but snapd doesn't care about the upgrade in the system
[12:04] <zyga> so it will always be wrong
[12:04] <jdstrand> so, release/apparmor.go init(), there is:
[12:04] <jdstrand> appArmorLevel, appArmorSummary = probeAppArmor()
[12:04] <zyga> until you reboot and snapd considers this
[12:04] <jdstrand> appArmorParserFeatures = probeAppArmorParser()
[12:04] <jdstrand> what is weird though, is if this is the issue, then why don't I see denials from probeAppArmor?
[12:05] <jdstrand> I only see denials for probeAppArmorParser
[12:05] <zyga> I think we allowed the former
[12:05] <jdstrand> I looked in the template. let me look again
[12:05] <zyga> oh, in that case I don't know
[12:05] <jdstrand> also, I was really surprised that snap run is doing all these checks
[12:05] <jdstrand> it isn't like it can do anything with the result
[12:06] <zyga> I think we d
[12:06] <zyga> we spin and wait
[12:06] <zyga> that's the purpose of system key there
[12:06] <jdstrand> and we are adding a bunch of stat()s and an exec() to the snap run
[12:06] <jdstrand> hmm
[12:06] <jdstrand> I definitely didn't mean for apparmor_parser to be called every time that an app was run
[12:06] <zyga> right
[12:07] <jdstrand> quite the opposite. I didn't even want it run every time a profile was compile
[12:07] <zyga> I think this falls under the idea I had a while ago with "facts" in /var/lib/snapd/facts - that would be written by snapd and interrogated by other parts of the stsack
[12:07] <jdstrand> I wanted it precisely once when snapd started :)
[12:07] <jdstrand> and I thought that was what happened with system-key
[12:07] <zyga> mmm, not quite
[12:07] <zyga> you need to be able to compute the system key
[12:07] <jdstrand> well, clearly
[12:07] <zyga> in snap-run
[12:08] <zyga> and quickly too as you now learned
[12:08] <jdstrand> we need to short circuit this or move it
[12:08] <jdstrand> I mean we could add a rule, but blech, I don't want this-- it is only useful for profile generation
[12:08] <zyga> I agree
[12:08] <zyga> hmmm hmm
[12:08] <jdstrand> snap run can literally do nothing with the information
[12:12]  * pstolowski lunches
[12:12] <zyga> jdstrand: if you need me for this just ask, otherwise I'll be going through per user mount namespaces
[12:14] <jdstrand> yeah, I don't see /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features in the template
[12:14] <jdstrand> zyga: thanks, I'll discuss with mvo and we can decide from there
[12:15] <jdstrand> it is definitely denied: $ ls /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/
[12:15] <jdstrand> ls: cannot open directory '/sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/': Permission denied
[12:17] <jdstrand> so, probeAppArmor() is not getting called, but probeAppArmorParser() is...
[12:18] <jdstrand> which makes no sense cause they are both only called via init()...
[12:19]  * jdstrand is confused
[12:27] <zyga> perhaps probe apparmor is really lazy?
[12:29] <jdstrand> huh
[12:29] <jdstrand> ./interfaces/system_key.go:sk.AppArmorParserFeatures = release.AppArmorParserFeatures()
[12:29] <jdstrand> ./interfaces/apparmor/backend.go:parserFeatures        = release.AppArmorParserFeatures
[12:30] <jdstrand> so in system_key, we assign '()' but in backend.go we do not
[12:31] <jdstrand> that is the same with AppAmorFeatures though...
[12:32] <zyga> !
[12:35] <mborzecki> re
[12:36] <jdstrand> maybeWaitForSecurityProfileRegeneration() does call interfaces.SystemKeyMismatch()
[12:40] <jdstrand> I'm really puzzled that I'm not seeing denials from release.AppArmorFeatures() but I am for release.AppArmorParserFeatures()
[12:41] <mvo> sil2100: sure
[12:41] <mvo> jdstrand: hi, reading backlog (looks like there is a lot of it :)
[12:41] <jdstrand> mvo: yes, halp :)
[12:42] <zyga> (insert 5th element quote0
[12:43] <jdstrand> I wonder what ioutil.ReadDir() is doing
[12:43] <jdstrand> maybe it doesn't trigger the apparmor denial
[12:44] <jdstrand> but then that would be a bug in system-key detection
[12:46] <jdstrand> hmm, it is just an os.Open
[12:51] <Chipaca> jdstrand: ls /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features/ triggers the denial, but does stat on its own?
[12:52] <jdstrand> Chipaca: it would not, no
[12:53] <zyga> stat is not mediated anywhere AFAIK
[12:53] <Chipaca> jdstrand: maybe whatever's triggering the denial is not one of the required features that we stat in probeAppArmor
[12:53] <jdstrand> yes, that is what it is Chipaca
[12:53] <Chipaca> ah
[12:53] <jdstrand> probeAppArmor only does an isDirectory() which is just a stat
[12:54] <Chipaca> yup
[12:54] <Chipaca> and a rather dumb stat at that :)
[12:54] <zyga> aaah
[12:54] <jdstrand> ok, so mystery solved on the why probeAppArmor() doesn't trigger denials
[12:54] <zyga> man, that's magic
[12:54] <jdstrand> mvo: ^
[12:54] <mvo> jdstrand: I just finished reading backlog - indeed, we compute the system-key in snap run, sorry that I did not realize during the review about the implication of the apparmor parser test
[12:54] <jdstrand> so, the question is how to fix probeAppArmorParser
[12:54] <mup> PR snapd#5987 opened: cmd: refactor IPC and lifecycle of the helper process <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5987>
[12:55] <mvo> jdstrand: let me quickly look at this (its 5min until our standup)
[12:55] <zyga> standup time but I'll be 3 min late
[12:55] <zyga> brb
[12:56] <jdstrand> mvo: so, on the one hand, it does make sense that we might wait for profile regeneration for the unsafe, but on the other, I'd *way* much prefer we *not* exec apparmor_parser in every snap run
[12:56] <mvo> jdstrand: from the top of my head: probe once and then save the result in e.g. /run/snapd
[12:56] <jdstrand> mvo: that's what I was trying to do :)
[12:56] <jdstrand> mvo: you mean, just touch a file?
[12:56] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah
[12:56] <jdstrand> mvo: ok, let me work through that
[12:57] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks, the other option would be to simply not make it part of system-key and hope that something else triggers a re-run
[12:57] <jdstrand> mvo: which do you prefer?
[12:57] <mvo> jdstrand: let me quickly look at what goes into system-key already
[12:58] <mvo> jdstrand: it partly depenends on your preferences as well, if we remove it from the system-key worst case is that the profile is only re-generated with the next snapd refresh
[12:58] <jdstrand> it would be fast to add a touch at the end of probeAppArmorParser and then stat for it at the top
[12:58] <jdstrand> mvo: I think that is least correct
[12:59] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah, and cheapest :)
[12:59] <jdstrand> mvo: no, I meant removing and hoping is least correct
[13:00] <jdstrand> mvo: but is is also not correct to touch the file. cause, well, in theory the parser could've been updated in the mean time (that was always true with the intent of the original PR
[13:00] <jdstrand> )
[13:00] <mvo> jdstrand: we could use the mtime of apparmor_parser as input
[13:00] <mvo> of system-key
[13:01] <jdstrand> mvo: so, mtime and touch?
[13:02] <mvo> jdstrand: mtime of /usr/bin/apparmor_parser and if that changes the system-key changes and we re-generation apparmor. and when doing that we check apparmor features
[13:02]  * jdstrand doesn't see how mtime is enough
[13:03] <jdstrand> that would require redoing system key generation a bit, no?
[13:03] <jdstrand> well wait
[13:04] <jdstrand> ok, I add mtime to the systemKey struct. then I always just check for that
[13:04] <jdstrand> so, that is a stat, and we only call probeAppArmorPaarser if they are different
[13:05] <jdstrand> ok, let me look at that
[13:11] <mvo> jdstrand: thank you! in the standup right now so I may be a bit slow replying
[13:28] <Chipaca> jdstrand: dunno if it helps, but i've got this in my bash history: grep -rl --include \*.go --exclude \*_test.go '^func init()' | xargs perl -pi -we 's/(^func init\(.*)/\1\nprintln("$ARGV")/'
[13:29] <Chipaca> jdstrand: adds a print to any and all init, so you can easily spot unexpected inits
[13:33] <zyga> jdstrand: offtopic, I think you should enqueue https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5885
[13:33] <mup> PR #5885: Adding DPDK interface for DPDK Snap <Created by wililupy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5885>
[14:01]  * Chipaca hugs mborzecki
[14:02]  * mvo hugs mborzecki as well well
[14:02] <mborzecki> why the hugs?
[14:02] <mvo> jdstrand: standup over, anything I can help with?
[14:02] <Chipaca> niemeyer: dunno if you saw but at least mborzecki isn't here in 1h
[14:02] <Chipaca> mborzecki: no, that you said the above just as we wrapped (and I feel guilty because I said "yes", for myself, but know how that can be taken as a for all so I should've waited)
[14:03] <mvo> mborzecki: because Chipaca started it :) *grouphug*
[14:03] <Chipaca> :)
[14:03] <mvo> Chipaca: I think its fine, we just skip the bits from mborzecki  and talk about them tomorrow, no?
[14:03] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Ah, I didn't realize.. well, we can get together either way and just finish that list.. tomorrow we can review the whole thing again
[14:04]  * Son_Goku hugs mborzecki
[14:04] <mborzecki> works for me
[14:04] <Son_Goku> I'm just happy someone besides me actually bothers to investigate SELinux stuff, so you deserve hugs from me anyway :D
[14:04] <jdstrand> mvo: not yet
[14:04] <mvo> ok
[14:05] <Son_Goku> mborzecki, when 2.36 becomes available, I'm going to push out for epel7 at the same time as fedora
[14:05] <zyga> mborzecki: hey, I pushed a few tweaks to snap-confine, would you be willing to look
[14:05] <zyga> it's nothing major really, and not that long
[14:05] <zyga> mostly a switch to pipe
[14:15] <jdstrand> Chipaca: that's interesting. thank you
[14:16] <mborzecki> Son_Goku: nice, thank you!
[14:27] <mup> PR snapd#5988 opened: cmd: rename ns_group to mount_ns <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5988>
[14:32] <zyga> mvo: if you can, please land that, that's just a rename
[14:32] <zyga> ^
[14:36] <mvo> zyga: sure, I have a look
[14:41] <zyga> thank you!
[15:02] <niemeyer> zyga: You coming?
[15:02] <zyga> ah, sure
[15:02] <zyga> niemeyer: same URL?
[15:03] <degville> zyga: yep
[15:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#2353 opened: tests: remove dependency on snapcraft for integration tests <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2353>
[15:38] <ackk> hi, can classic snaps run deamons as specific system users?
[15:49] <smoser> zyga: is there expected to be a new snapd upload before release  of 18.10 ?
[16:25] <zyga> smoser: I defer to our release manager, mvo
[16:25] <zyga> I don't know
[16:26] <zyga> ackk: not at present
[16:26] <zyga> unless said daemons do that themselves
[17:20] <ackk> zyga, meaning, you can "su" as a different user from classic, right? IOW a daemon could run as "nobody" in that case?
[17:36] <kyr0> Hi, I have a snap package that when I launch it from the terminal, nothing happens. Where should I start to troubleshoot?
[17:45] <zyga> re
[17:45] <zyga> ackk: correct
[17:45] <zyga> kyr0: hello
[17:45] <zyga> kyr0: it depends on the software but you may have some good idea what is happening in general by using:
[17:46] <zyga> kyr0: SNAPD_DEBUG=1 snap run ...
[17:46] <zyga> (or just the program name)
[17:49] <kyr0> zyga: Thank you, ill start my investigation.
[17:50] <zyga> kyr0: you can also run "snap run --shell" to enter a shell with the same confinement
[17:50] <zyga> kyr0: but note, not the same environment
[17:50] <zyga> some of the environment is set by wrapper scripts in $SNAP
[17:50] <zyga> cd $SNAP to look around
[17:50] <zyga> you can run those scripts directly to execute the same command
[17:53] <zyga> hmm
[17:53] <zyga> Chipaca: still hear?
[17:53] <zyga> here*
[17:53] <kyr0> zyga: Thanks, i'll start looking into it
[18:44] <Chipaca> zyga: yes
[18:44] <zyga> oh god why :)
[18:44] <zyga> ok
[18:44] <zyga> I was thinking about taking the accounts service test manual for a moment
[18:44] <Chipaca> zyga: finished dinner, came to eod
[18:44] <zyga> it's failing all the time
[18:44] <zyga> wanted to discuss ideas
[18:44] <zyga> but can wait
[18:44] <zyga> not urgent :)
[18:44] <Chipaca> zyga: i've left it looping here to see if i can catch the failure
[18:45] <zyga> I caught it once
[18:45] <Chipaca> on iteration 20 with no failures
[18:45] <zyga> forgot about it
[18:45] <zyga> closed terminal
[18:45] <zyga> yes ;)
[18:45] <zyga> I would suggest adding ps aux to debug
[18:45] <zyga> I bet there's something very odd running then
[18:45] <zyga> (not accounts service)
[18:45] <Chipaca> yeap
[18:46] <Chipaca> zyga: instead of 'gdbus monitor --session --dest yadda', i'd do 'dbus-monitor --session' which is a lot more chatty
[18:46] <Chipaca> but, that assumes I can reproduce the issue :-D
[18:46] <zyga> Chipaca: is your unmount fix ready?
[18:47] <Chipaca> zyga: well, its spread is red, if that's what you're asking
[18:47] <Chipaca> or was when i looked last
[18:47] <Chipaca> zyga: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/441628807/log.txt
[18:47] <Chipaca> zyga: the last run, degraded and snap-repair failed, which … not sure what those are about
[18:47] <zyga> I see
[18:48] <Chipaca> suspect something is actually broken
[18:48] <zyga> ah
[18:48] <zyga> I was just chatting with mvo about a possible release tonight
[18:48] <Chipaca> that'd be nice but integration tests aren't cooperating
[18:48] <Chipaca> and i don't know enough about those two tests to know if they're real or not
[18:49] <Chipaca> they're failing on core 18
[18:49] <Chipaca> are you seeing them fail there as well?
[18:49] <zyga> I see the error log now
[18:52] <zyga> hmmm
[18:56] <zyga> Chipaca: is ExecStart= ... ordered?
[18:57] <zyga> seems so according to manual pages
[19:12] <mup> PR snapd#5989 opened: interfaces/system-key: add parser mtime and only discover features on write <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5989>
[19:13] <Chipaca> zyga: yes, it's ordered
[19:13] <Chipaca> zyga: and yes it stops as soon as one fails, unless it starts with -
[19:36] <kyrofa> How is the possibility for a 2.36 release looking this week?
[19:44] <Chipaca> kyrofa: 0.47
[19:45] <Chipaca> kyrofa: but i'm probably overly pessimistic, so maybe it's .87
[19:57] <kyrofa> Chipaca, I'll take your earlier assessment :P
[19:58] <Chipaca> kyrofa: I hope I'm wrong, because I'm itching to update the brew formula so it no longer neads --HEAD
[20:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#2349 closed: extensions: use extension docstring <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2349>
[20:50] <popey> Chipaca: fyi, that person you conversed with was a spammer, i removed them
[20:50] <popey> (on the forum)
[20:50] <Chipaca> popey: they were? their question seemed relevant
[20:50] <Chipaca> booo
[20:50] <popey> it was a copy/pasta from a reddit thread a year ago
[20:50] <Chipaca> oh
[20:50] <popey> they do that to get credit on the forum, then slip a url edit in a few days later
[20:50] <Chipaca> right
[20:51] <popey> i didnt spot it until the edit
[20:53] <Chipaca> how isn't there an emoji for spam
[20:54] <popey> trademarks i guess
[20:54] <Chipaca> 🥫 came so close
[20:55] <Chipaca> anyhoo, it's a relief as the "why do i need to log in" thing should be well dead
[21:00] <popey> Yeah, i recently requested an edit to the appimage wiki because it claimed we still needed to login
[21:00] <popey> xkcd 386
[21:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#2354 opened: Preflight missing multipass <Created by evandandrea> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2354>
[21:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#2350 closed: extensions: parse all declared extensions before applying <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2350>
[22:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#2355 opened: extensions: cleanup and generic tests <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2355>
[22:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#2246 closed: packaging: cleanup extension usage in setup.py <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2246>


[13:07] <rick_h> woo! here comes the snow
[13:12] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:12] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:21] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:22] <mrgoodcat> signed an offer letter last night
[13:22] <mrgoodcat> :)
[13:22] <jrwren> congrats!
[13:22] <jrwren> with whom? what is the role? when do you start? is the commute long?
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> with dynatrace starting on the 16th
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> the commute isn't terrible. its the same commute i've been making for teh last year so at least not worse
[13:25] <mrgoodcat> its really just making official what we already knew. i've been working here since last september as an intern so this was a pretty natural step
[13:30] <cmaloney> That's awesome! Congratulations!
[13:31] <cmaloney> And awesome that it's already somewhere that you have some background
[13:31] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: congrats, love that intern->fulltime move
[13:32] <rick_h> suddenly, you're worth more $$ than a week ago!
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> yea srs
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> thanks
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> and with a pretty aggressive pay schedule for the next 12 months
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> so even more in a year
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> i guess they couldn't get the number they actually wanted as a new hire of a recent college grad? so this is the workaround
[13:35] <mrgoodcat> just my guess. this might be SOP
[13:44] <cmaloney> That's cool
[19:34] <cmaloney> Macomb CC just canceled classes, as did Schoolcraft
[19:34] <cmaloney> I think I'm going to do virtual CHC tonight. ;)
[19:35] <widox> and you're the closest! :p
[19:35] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[19:35] <cmaloney> Thinking of doing a virtual CHC tonight. :)
[19:35] <cmaloney> eg: starting up a Jitsi meeting or something like that.
[19:36] <Zimdale> A virtual meetup sounds more doable!
[19:36] <cmaloney> Also means I can drink Kahlua instead of just coffee. :)
[19:37] <jrwren> AAPS did a while aog
[19:39] <rick_h> wheee https://photos.app.goo.gl/e6rCfuNZIDPzpEn13
[19:40] <jrwren> so glad I don't drive :)
[19:41] <rick_h> 4x4 mode engage!
[19:41]  * rick_h needs to find something to go drive around in a few more hours when it gets deeper
[19:41] <jrwren> Monday I tried to take the bus instead of driving... i waited 15min for the bus. it never came, so I walked home, got in the car and went to my meeting and still got there on time.
[19:41] <rick_h> they let school out an hour early and got to get the kids
[19:41] <jrwren> yeah, we walk to school. :)
[19:42] <cmaloney> rick_h: Glad you got home safely
[19:42] <rick_h> meh, it's not that bad. didn't slide around once :(
[19:42] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I like to walk but I have a hard limit when it's down in the teens.
[19:42] <rick_h> forget it, I'll drive then
[19:43] <cmaloney> heh
[19:43] <jrwren> rick_h: same here... unless there is many inches of fresh snow, then I don't want to drive either, so I'll walk :)
[20:34] <waldo323> I slid a little yesterday though wasn't going very fast
[20:35] <waldo323> spent most of my day in the car today i think - we had a holiday lunch event +plus the longer than I had a few months ago commute
[23:14] <cmaloney> Whee
[23:14] <cmaloney> Off to try to plow
[23:36] <waldo323> off to brave the roads
[23:36] <waldo323> hope the plowing goes well


[00:32] <mneptok> yes. yes it is.
[00:32] <mneptok> welcome to IRC.
[00:44] <Amaranth> wow #ubuntu has been pretty quiet today
[00:44] <Amaranth> as far as calls for ops, anyway
[00:47] <Flannel> Amaranth: Don't jinx it
[05:06] <Flannel> Howdy [1]SpaceGhost
[05:07] <[1]SpaceGhost> Dude do you have a problem?
[05:08] <Flannel> [1]SpaceGhost: I don't.   I'm glad you're looking out for people. I was trying to inform him that the correct name was not vanity ip, but domain name and I communicated it in a clear manner.
[05:09] <Flannel> "learn the nomanclature, it's called a domain." isn't very friendly.  Yes, it may be clear, but it's certainly not nice.
[05:09] <[1]SpaceGhost> I can't see how you can say that humor doesn't communicate on the internet, but then assume a user is being rude.
[05:10] <[1]SpaceGhost> It wasn't my first time letting him know what it's called. If you'd look back I said that it's called a domain name. Very nicely.
[05:11] <[1]SpaceGhost> I wasn't being rude, I was being concise and informative. But it's fine, #ubuntu doesn't need me as much as I don't need to use my time there.
[05:12] <Flannel> [1]SpaceGhost: You were the one who brought up humor.  Was your "learn the nomenclature" supposed to be in jest?
[05:12] <[1]SpaceGhost> It's fine, you have power and quite the opinion. Why should you be wrong, and not be able to be wrong?
[05:12] <[1]SpaceGhost> Do you remember last night? Where you said that humor doesn't translate on the internet? I was applying that rule to you assuming I was being rude. I was making it clear.
[05:13] <Flannel> I'm not sure what you're saying.   It's perfectly okay that you can pick and choose when something is okay and when something isn't. I was being clear and concise, as in no room for error. I informaed him more than once what it was called. I wanted him to be able to communicate his need clearly.  Have a great day,
[05:22] <maco> O_o
[05:22] <maco> so uh anyway....
[05:23] <maco> that fridge post of nhandler's....about irc council....it says "opinions from irc ops"....who counts as an op?
[05:28] <Pricey> maco: considering it also includes that from ubunteros, members, irc people etc. i'm not sure that definition is important
[05:28] <maco> ok
[06:02] <Flannel> I believe that was asking about/coaxing to DOS
[06:37] <elky> I just lol'd at this<[1]SpaceGhost> It's totally okay, you're quite opinionated in my opinion.
[06:56] <mneptok> elky: i just did the same
[08:22] <MenZa> Eyes on COOLMAN in #ubuntu - I'm trying to give him a chance to leave peacefully, but I don't think he'll be leaving by himself.
[15:09] <genii> rustytechda might be some adbot for Trillian
[15:10] <bazhang> good point
[15:13] <vox> its not responding
[16:32] <maco> can we fix !ops in #ubuntuforums? i'm maco not macogw now
[16:34] <Mamarok> that looks like a case for k-lining...
[16:34] <Windowsuckscock> yay!
[16:34] <Windowsuckscock> kline
[16:35] <MenZa> !staff
[16:35] <Windowsuckscock> !staff
[16:36] <MenZa> I'll be watching -ot.
[16:40] <MenZa> oh dear lord.
[16:40] <Amaranth> Look, he came back
[16:41] <MenZa> So he did.
[16:43] <MenZa> he hit -server
[16:44] <Mamarok> gah, that's really a case for staff
[16:44] <MenZa> yes, yes it is.
[16:44] <Pici> all of my windows are flashing red
[16:44] <maco> hit kernel too
[16:45] <MenZa> mine too, Pici
[16:46]  * MenZa keeps his eyes firmly locked on window 7
[16:46] <MenZa> I'm tempted to just ban now, to spare the hassle.
[16:48] <jussi01> dont ban him or remove him any more - he seems to be on a crusade to get banned. unless of course he continues in the channel
[16:48] <Amaranth> I'm guessing he did /whois on us to find more channels
[16:48] <MenZa> Or maybe he's just systematically going through the list of channels on the wiki :p
[16:49] <maco> i was thinking id ban before ze got a chance to say anything if ze showed up in -women
[16:49] <MenZa> I don't see why we'd even let him into the channels.
[16:49] <MenZa> I mean, I tidy my bans quite often, so it's just a matter of removing it soon.
[16:50] <jussi01> well if you all are set +i he wouldnt get the info would he...
[16:50] <MenZa> I'm pretty sure I'm not +1.
[16:50] <MenZa> +i*
[16:50] <MenZa> I don't mind people knowing what channels I'm in.
[16:53] <Amaranth> jussi01: I forgot to set it this time
[16:53] <Amaranth> (my client won't do it automatically)
[16:57] <MenZa> bullgard4 was back.
[16:57] <MenZa> oh lawd
[16:57] <MenZa> he's
[16:57] <MenZa> BACK.
[16:58] <jpds> I leave for five minutes and nuclear war takes place.
[16:59] <MenZa> Completely, jpds
[17:13] <Mamarok> fdoving: hi, can we help you?
[17:14] <Mamarok> fdoving: are you an op?
[17:17] <jpds> Mamarok: /cs access #kubuntu list
[17:31] <ikonia> who is claydoh ?
[17:37] <jussi01> ikonia: kubuntu opo and general kubuntu guy, why?
[19:37] <fujisan> Pricey are you here?
[19:37] <fujisan> Is it okay if i idle until i get to speak to Pricey dear ubuntu-ops?
[19:47] <MenZa> fujisan: Can anyone else assist you with this issue?
[19:47] <fujisan> nope..
[19:47] <fujisan> alas
[19:47] <fujisan> i will just ask him in IM later
[19:47] <fujisan> thanks
[19:47] <fujisan> bu bye
[20:00] <Pici> nickspoon: Happy birthday
[20:00] <nickspoon> Pici: Thanks! :D
[20:01] <topyli> oooh happy bd nickspoon <3
[20:01] <nickspoon> Thanks topyli <3
[20:13] <MenZa> :3
[20:20] <Tm_T> nickspoon: what's the number now, 15? (;)
[20:20] <nickspoon> Oh, you are cruel. 17 :)
[20:20] <Tm_T> ah, kids...
[20:26] <jussi01> Tm_T: what are you now, must be about 145, no? :P
[20:50] <ikonia> jussi01: never heard his name, that's all
[20:58] <Tm_T> jussi01: 114 in last count (;)
[21:00] <jpds> ikonia: He's from way back.
[21:11] <ikonia> it's cool, just didn't recognise the nick
[21:13] <maco> hey folks
[21:13] <maco> anyone in -ot?
[21:14] <maco> i'm not sure whats up with Defacer
[21:14] <ikonia> ok
[21:14] <ikonia> I'm active
[21:18] <genii> Defacer is acting very odd.
[21:19] <gord> it looks like someone new
[21:19] <maco> yeah ikonia's watching
[22:15] <mrsa> I am a lymphocyte
[22:15] <Lymphocyte> I kind adapt
[22:19]  * genii makes a note in his black book about lymphocyte/mrsa/macrophage
[22:20] <maco> genii: was bacteria earlier too
[22:20] <maco> and cytotoxic
[22:21]  * genii sips
[22:28]  * MenZa nods
[22:29] <MenZa> I say we ban *!biology@* from the namespace.
[22:29] <MenZa> Who's with me?!
[22:34]  * genii sips and thinks about mold
[22:40] <maco> oh i get it
[22:40] <maco> mrsa = that skin thing
[22:40] <maco> the form of staff
[22:40] <maco> er staph
[22:48] <genii> Heh. "staff" as mistaken for "staph" seems somehow appropriate
[22:49] <Flannel> genii: mold, eh?
[22:50]  * MenZa moulds genii
[22:50] <genii> Flannel: That black stuff. I'm finding it in the basement near my office
[22:50] <MenZa> :\
[22:50]  * MenZa slides genii a coffee to get his mind on more important things.
[22:50] <MenZa> like coffee.
[22:51] <genii> MenZa: I'm on the beer actually
[22:51]  * genii guzzles
[22:52] <MenZa> genii: Irish coffee ):
[22:52] <genii> Heehee
[22:55] <nalioth> maco: if the person is being disruptive, they should be banned - whether they are literally asking for it or not
[22:56] <nalioth> otw, they'll continue disrupting the channel
[23:01] <genii> The same character was here another day just doing same crap in every channel in turn
[23:58] <MenZa> Sweet $DEITY


[06:39] <asjifjoajfjjjjjj> =-O
[17:03] <studio-user417> ubuntu audio
[17:04] <Sbur3> Hi. I'm trying to access my pulseaudio to no avail.  How do I get that access?
[17:04] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: pavucontrol?
[17:05] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: How do I use that?  I get messsages telling me that access to pulseaudio wis denied
[17:06] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: which os/ditro are you using? How are you trying to access pulse?
[17:07] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: "Establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait..."
[17:07] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: (i'm a little confused) Is pulse unable to access the audio device maybe?
[17:08] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: Ubuntu Studio 17.04 64 bit. Kodi and Mixxx can output audio, but that's it.
[17:09] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: Give me a command to see which is the problem
[17:09] <OvenWerks> Ah, so probably jack is running and has control of the audio device
[17:09] <OvenWerks> cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[17:10] <OvenWerks> (all one line) will tell you quite a bit. you can paste that to a paste site
[17:10] <OvenWerks> (like pastebin.com
[17:11] <OvenWerks> then post the url to the paste here
[17:12] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: https://pastebin.com/My25Rr0e
[17:12] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: If I don't answer quickly, it is because I am going to eat dinner, but I'll be back
[17:13] <OvenWerks> Sbur3_brb: that should not be the output of the whole line
[17:14] <OvenWerks> Sbur3_brb: you have downloaded the script into /tmp, but not run it so try:
[17:14] <OvenWerks> bash /tmp/adevices.sh and paste that
[17:30] <Sbur3_brb> OvenWerks: https://pastebin.com/tKnrafMJ
[17:31] <OvenWerks> Ok pulse should be able to see any of those devices.
[17:31] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: So whatdo I do?
[17:31] <OvenWerks> pavucontrol still can't start?
[17:32] <OvenWerks> is this a new install?
[17:32] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: New install of what?  Pavucontrol continues to hang
[17:33] <OvenWerks> It almost seems as if something is missing, because pulse generally just works.
[17:33] <OvenWerks> new install of ubuntustudio
[17:33] <OvenWerks> I would try a reboot just to be sure though.
[17:34] <OvenWerks> if pavucontrol is having trouble connecting it seems pulse is not running and can't be started
[17:35] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: I changed computers.  I had to rip Windows 10 off of it. (With a serious - dod -program to wipe the hard drive) Then I downloaded Ubuntu Studio 17.04 and installed it
[17:35] <OvenWerks> This is not an issue I had while running 17.04 (my normal use is still 16.04)
[17:36] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: have you installed any other sw since OS install?
[17:39] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: I like installing SW. Any kind in particular that I should worry about?  Like I said, Mixxx and Kodi work with audio playback.  I put them on after OS install.  But I had that on the older computer, so that shouldn't be an issue
[17:41] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: they at least show audio works.
[17:41] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: maybe in a terminal try killall -9 pulseaudio
[17:41] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: I don't know what to do ... I'll try that
[17:42] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: then try running pavucontrol again.
[17:43] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: Before I try to retry pavucontrol ... look at this ...https://pastebin.com/XRRqLgdB
[17:43] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: That's the paste of killall
[17:44] <OvenWerks> Sbur3: are you logged in twice?
[17:45] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: I don't even know how to do that
[17:45] <OvenWerks> (as two users?)
[17:45] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: I'm not schizo  ... yet
[17:45] <OvenWerks> Ok, then try sudo killall -9 pulseaudio
[17:45] <OvenWerks> (will require user password)
[17:48] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: That gets me into volume control, but on the task bar on the top of the screen, there are two "speaker" looking icons
[17:50] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: That seems to work.  Gonna try a youtube to see if I hear the music
[17:52] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: Hey, that deserves a great big THANK YOU
[17:52] <Sbur3> ;)
[17:55] <Sbur3> OvenWerks: Can I ask you one last question... In the "Volume Control" window, there is "Built-in audio" on one hand, and "High Definition Audio Controller" on the other.  What could "High Definition ..." do in good or bad?
[18:01] <OvenWerks> huh he's gone...
[18:08] <Guest73755> Hola amigos
[21:22] <studio-user455> help
[21:22] <studio-user455> grub install failed
[21:23] <studio-user455> turned off secure boot trying again
[21:23] <studio-user455> New Acer Windows Ten, Ubuntu Studio install
[21:24] <studio-user455> yo?
[21:25] <studio-user455> ug
[21:26] <OvenWerks> I really don't know... but it is ok to ask in #ubuntu
[21:26] <studio-user455> how do I get there
[21:26] <OvenWerks>  There are a lt more people there and Studio uses the same bsae.
[21:26] <studio-user455> not sure how I got here
[21:27] <studio-user455> ;ink above?
[21:27] <OvenWerks>  you should be able to just do /join #ubuntu
[21:27] <OvenWerks> (on a blank line)
[21:27] <studio-user455> in a terminal?
[21:27] <OvenWerks> in irc
[21:27] <studio-user455> oh


[08:18] <Unit193> Cheri703: You'll like this, uncle got a trek recumbent bike for $6.
[14:45] <dzho|frustrated> Unit193: wow
[15:08] <Cheri703> Unit193: a ride on the road recumbent?
[15:08] <Cheri703> trek made a model for a short time, it was not well received :/
[15:09] <Cheri703> but that is an awesome deal :)
[17:25]  * skellat continues scripting.  Recording to take place later this afternoon.
[17:30] <skellat> This is a bad bit of news about copper thieves taking out Internet service...in Northeast Ohio of all places: http://starbeacon.com/local/x620790465/-Dumb-thief-causes-big-Internet-outage
[17:36] <Unit193> Cheri703: AFAIK, yes.
[18:43] <dzho|frustrated> grim meathook future
[19:21] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/rDfWI.gif
[19:24] <dzho|frustrated> eek
[21:06] <Unit193> Cheri703: Nope, it isn't.
[21:06] <Cheri703> ah, indoor?
[21:06] <Unit193> Stationary, yep.
[21:07] <Cheri703> I kind of thought it might be, for that price :)
[21:07] <Cheri703> recumbents are awesome either way :)
[21:07] <Unit193> But, still a great deal. :P
[21:07] <Cheri703> definitely!
[21:08] <Unit193> He's like that though, gotten great stuff at low cost.  Right place at the right time.
[21:08] <Cheri703> I've had some luck with that sort of thing in the past :)


[11:33] <doctormo> hello al
[12:23] <lapo> hi
[12:25] <Omeg> Hey guys
[12:26] <Omeg> The wiki is confusing. I've got a mockup for a future usplash screen that I want to explain somewhere, but I don't know where I would put it.
[12:27] <Omeg> I already sent it to the developers but they said that even if there would be consensus to make the change to my mock-up, it's much too late for Dapper... so I'd like to make a page for it so people can comment on it and possibly vote for its inclusion in Edgy.
[12:57] <lapo> Omeg: what do you mean by confusing, what do you wnat to do exactly?
[01:02] <artnay> isn't /Artwork sort of dead already? try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork
[01:02] <artnay> lapo: by confusing I'd say that artwork is really separated in wiki
[01:03] <lapo> yep that's true, some reorganization there would be nice
[01:05] <artnay> any of you have human as SVGs?
[01:06] <lapo> artnay: I don't think they provided any svgs
[01:06] <artnay> too bad
[01:06] <lapo> use tangerine :-)
[01:07] <artnay> I am, but I'd like to play with human as well
[01:19] <Omeg> Just that I can't clearly see where I need to post my stuff.
[01:19] <Omeg> On Wikipedia, for example, it's not hard to decipher what a Wikiproject is or how to work for it.
[01:21] <Omeg> Also, the usplash page says that 14 colors are required. But in reality, there are 16 colors (it's just that two of those are reserved for the "ok" and "fail" messages). Or isn't that so?
[01:22] <lapo> it is
[01:22] <Omeg> Isn't it so that the usplash artwork needs to be 640x400 as this is the default resolution for most computers? That's what I've been told at #ubuntu-devel.
[01:24] <Omeg> Or does the development team make such adjustments?
[01:28] <artnay> mjg told me that it has to be 640x400
[01:29] <Omeg> Yeah, it does.
[01:29] <artnay> I've seen 640x480 mentioned somewhere on the wiki, but it's wrong
[01:29] <Omeg> Which is why, if you look at the screenshots at OSDIR, the splash page of the CD has a correctly scaled logo, and the usplash logo is squished vertically to about 80%.
[01:29] <Omeg> It looks bad, but it's necessary.
[01:29] <Omeg> But that's okay. It's easy to fix that.
[01:37] <artnay> Omeg: it seems that /Artwork has been forgotten or left unused for some reasons. as long as the main projects are done (remember when dapper artwork was announced?) outside it, the whole category is outdated, confusing and meaningless
[01:40] <doctormo> hmm
[01:41] <Omeg> I'm writing down my proposal so it can be linked to for Edgy.
[01:42] <Omeg> I wish that Ubuntu's wiki was a MediaWiki, personally. It seems more inituitive to me.
[01:44] <doctormo> I've never seen a resolution of 640x400 where did the other 80 pixels go
[01:45] <Omeg> Apparently, all systems start up with 640x400 and then stretch it to the full screen size. So that's why the logo in usplash is squished; the screen is stretched back to have it look correct again. At the cost of some lost pixels.
[01:45] <Omeg> Which is unfortunate.
[01:45] <Omeg> 640x400 is a standard resolution on most widescreen setups.
[01:47] <artnay> afaik, it's also a standard vga resolution
[01:48] <doctormo> VGA resolution is 640x480
[01:49] <artnay> there's 640x350, 640x400, 640x480 etc.
[01:49] <artnay> IBM480 is the most common of those
[01:51] <lapo> In my opinion usplash cannot look good enough, using x as redhat/fedora does would be better solution
[01:51] <Omeg> usplash can look pretty good if you do it right.
[01:51] <Omeg> Good enough, anyway.
[01:51] <artnay> umh, my bad. IBM400 doesn't seem to be a standard vga resolution, according to wikipedia
[01:51] <artnay> time to refresh memory
[01:52] <lapo> the resolution is too low, and you have too few colore
[01:52] <lapo> colors
[01:52] <doctormo> lapo: all you need is a program that uses the bios int 21 calls, get it up to 1024x768 with that :-)
[01:52] <artnay> lapo: have you tried framebuffer, other resolutions?
[01:52] <artnay> usplash is ok with 1024x768 for example
[01:53] <artnay> just add vga=791 to bootline and see if your kernel/videocard supports it
[01:53] <lapo> yep 1024x768 should be cool, but it is not the default and who cares about changing it
[01:53] <artnay> if it does, add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:53] <lapo> yeah I know how to play with framebuffer
[01:53] <artnay> well it's a pity that usplash lacks a proper gui
[01:54] <lapo> btw I have nvidia cards on most of my machine, and I have to disable it
[01:54] <artnay> which would allow a) to change the theme b) resolution etc.
[01:55] <lapo> artnay: goodlooking and working defaults would be better than the possibility to change them imho
[01:56] <doctormo> lapo: nforce sucks
[01:56] <artnay> lapo: true, but I guess it's pretty difficult to get the needed information in order to setup usplash for maximum eyecandy
[01:57] <artnay> which leads to another issue... ;)
[01:57] <lapo> artnay: that's why I say the rh solution is better
[01:57] <doctormo> I thought you could create a number of splash screens ofdiffering resolutions and then let your boot program switch down further resolutions if they fail.
[01:57] <artnay> lapo: afaik suse and rh solutions are just another hacks to kernel and they won't even work on some older hardware
[01:58] <lapo> artnay: rh uses x server, so it works on every hw the x server can run
[01:58] <artnay> and canonical pretty much gives more value to older hw than great looking graphics
[01:59] <artnay> is this a new feature on fc5? haven't tried it yet
[01:59] <lapo> artnay: it is like this since rh8 I believe
[01:59] <artnay> that would require to the bootsequence to load X among the most important functions
[02:00] <artnay> 5.5 apollo was the last red hat I tried :)
[02:00] <lapo> hey it has cde :-)
[02:01] <artnay> really, I'm not an X hacker, but I bet mr. stone would love to use this techinique if it was a really working option
[02:01] <artnay> wmaker all the way
[02:01] <lapo> uhm...right that was 4.x series
[02:01] <lapo> they uses it since ages so I think it is a working solution
[02:02] <lapo> btw I'm not an hacker so lemme do icons :-)
[02:02] <artnay> umh, strange.  I was gone for a while but just took the time to finish that usplash proposal for Edgy. Available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork#preview
[03:13] <Omeg> If you have comments, please let me know about them (preferably there on the wiki).
[03:14] <lapo> nice
[03:16] <Omeg> Hmm... wiki seems to be a little slow. *stares at infinitely loading page while making a trivial change.*
[03:40] <lapo> ferrari rules! :-)
[03:44] <Omeg> Ferrari?
[03:44] <Omeg> The car or... something else?
[03:44] <lapo> f1, europe gp, 1st and 3rd
[07:30] <jenda> hello :)
[07:30] <andreasn> hi
[07:31] <jenda> I am from the Marketing team, and I'd like to ask if there are any volunteers among the art team to make us an Ubuntu Promotion poster
[07:32] <jenda> it can be simple, but has to be top notch, and biiig ;)
[07:32] <jenda> in .svg, so it's possible to change text easily.
[07:32] <andreasn> hm, I did some for the gnome marketing team
[07:32] <jenda> I'll post something on the forum, as soon as I have time to sketch it up...
[07:33] <jenda> (that is, ask for help there too - I myself am no artist :( )
[07:33] <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/MarketingMaterial
[07:33] <andreasn> what do you need it for, some special event?
[07:34] <andreasn> perhaps you can send a request to the ubuntu-art list
[07:37] <jenda> no special event, but simply great demand
[07:37] <jenda> I will ;)
[07:37] <jenda> people want to hang out posters at their school etc.
[07:38] <andreasn> I see
[07:38] <jenda> and the MT should supply them with all that...
[07:38] <andreasn> hm, something rather simple then, like a logo, some short text and a url
[07:42] <jenda> the text, we can do
[07:42] <jenda> and it would probably involve even a bit of a longer text...
[07:43] <jenda> I say BIG logo, so that people notice, then a few big pieces of text that'll make the person walk up close and read teh fine print.
[07:44] <jenda> I'd say logo and nice background gradient pretty much does the trick, perhaps a few frames for text? Can be added, I suppose..
[07:44] <andreasn> if you are going to print them in a printing house, a gradient can be a bit tricky
[07:45] <andreasn> I had some problems with that when doing the gnome posters
[07:46] <andreasn> better fix some food, later!
[07:46] <jenda> hmm
[07:46] <jenda> well, it's not a must
[07:47] <jenda> BTW, I registered #ubuntu-art to forward here
[11:27] <maxco> hello, is someone could talk a little bit about ubuntu design ?
[11:27] <maxco> *could someone


[10:01]  * Cheesehead reminds of the Tuesday evening IRC hangout.
[10:01] <Cheesehead> I really should send an e-mail reminder later today...
[17:33] <Cheesehead> Next Tuesday evening in this channel: 11.10 Ubuntu-Friendly testing party?
[22:07] <Cheesehead> IRC Hangout in 3 hours
[22:07] <Cheesehead> Tonight's topic: Contest to make up the wildest rumors about 11.10.
[22:07] <Cheesehead> (and I'll be working on my Ubuntu membership application)
[22:08] <Cheesehead> As always, if you bring a *real* topic, we'll discuss and learn.
[23:39] <h00k> H friends!
[23:39] <h00k> hi, rather


[00:15] <ubptgbot> Amish 2deg was added by: Amish 2deg
[00:41] <ubptgbot> roldimc was added by: roldimc
 Does ubuntu touch supprt installing anbox
[06:24] <ubptgbot> SecureBlockTech was added by: SecureBlockTech
 Has anyone installed on Samsung Note 9?
 I installed it on oneplus 5t
 @Crystal2200 [Does ubuntu touch supprt installing anbox], https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 @Crystal2200 [I installed it on oneplus 5t], how is it?
 @driesvdb [how is it?], It is not a perfectandroid experience
 I did it on nexus 5
 Which is so old already
 @driesvdb [how is it?], What do you mean?
 @SomaSchicksal [It is not a perfectandroid experience], Yes it is quite old
[09:10] <ubptgbot> A was added by: A
 So far everything works fine, but libxx-container and anbox could not work well
[09:11] <ubptgbot> ghostbelle was added by: ghostbelle
[09:21] <ubptgbot> Gerhard was added by: Gerhard
 good morning
 I have a question, can I still install Ubuntu on a Samsung note 3?
 I can't find any information about that
 I forgot to introduce myself, my name is Gerhard and I am from the Netherlands
[09:35] <ubptgbot> #mimov2 was added by: #mimov2
 Hello
 How do i take a screen shot
 @Gerhard [I have a question, can I still install Ubuntu on a Samsung note 3?], The group description reads: "Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/"
 @#mimov2 [How do i take a screen shot], Vol up + Vol down button, press them together
 Tnx
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/8iXlFpvQ.png
 Sry wrong dm
 is anyone have some experience on using teleport with a account with enormous amount of channel/groups?
 Wdym
 teleports usually crashes first boot for me, but its okay after that
 I found that teleport can't handle it, that it can't loaded messages on every group/channel once launched, or I have to wait a couple of minutes, even crashed in some case … while other platforms' telegram, even the ancient UT teleport can handle
 i connected my phone to pc and nothin hapens
 [Edit] i connected my phone to pc and nothin happens
 and I tried with an account with only a few active group/channel, there's nothing wrong on it … so I kind of assume that it used a wrong syncing strategy, that making too much request at the same time, and turns out the server being DDoS wrong and not able to load messages immediately?
 good morning … Can someone tell me if I can also put Ubuntu on my Samsung Note 3 off Google pixel XL2 without any problems
 You mean you want to install Ubuntu touch on your Hamsun note 3 using a Goggle Pixel XL2 to flash it?
 l ol
 funny
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hZh73bTn.webp
 Yes
 Is that possible
 @PM5544 [I found that teleport can't handle it, that it can't loaded messages on every gr …], uh yes this appears to be a bug, how to solve it is another question
 I want to get rid of Google
 [Edit] and I tried with an account with only a few active group/channel, there's nothing wrong on it … so I kind of assume that it used a wrong syncing strategy, that the app was making too much request at the same time, and turns out the server being identified as DDoS wrongly and being not able to load messages immediately?
 first off samsung note 3 is not supported
 u gonna get back soon
 I buy a phone for myself and not all of them can see what I am doing
 my phone support it but clunky and buggy
 unofically
 actually neither of the two are supported
 which means that you would need to port it
 How about the fairphone 3+
 @Gerhard [I want to get rid of Google], the first step is to change to AOSP(eg: lineage) and microG
 @Gerhard [How about the fairphone 3+], have you looked at devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @Gerhard [How about the fairphone 3+], [Edit] have you looked at devices.ubuntu-touch.io?
 I am not an experienced person it does not get too complicated
 @Gerhard [I want to get rid of Google], [Edit] the first step is to swap your OS to AOSP(eg: lineage) and microG
 elke apparaat is uniek, ubuntu touch moet aangepast worden per apparaat
 @Gerhard [I am not an experienced person it does not get too complicated], then using those devices listed on the webpage is recommended
 Ok een Nederlander
 which is a time consuming process
 @Gerhard [Ok een Nederlander], surinamer :p
 or consider de-googled android, like lineageOS
 Which phone is best suited for Ubuntu anyway
 depends on your needs really
 Ik maak geen verschil tussen kleur of cultuur
 most devices have at least some device specific bugs
 @Gerhard [Ik maak geen verschil tussen kleur of cultuur], dat is prijzendwaardig :)
[11:19] <ubptgbot> Abdullah AL Shohag was added by: Abdullah AL Shohag
 I just want to be able to do whatever I do now, surf the internet a bit, Whatsapp my mail and if possible my bank pocket
 most bugs are tracked at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch
 never recommend device with "legacy" sign, as it needs quite tedious procedure
 @Gerhard [I just want to be able to do whatever I do now, surf the internet a bit, Whatsap …], ah whatsapp doesn't support ubuntu touch
 @Gerhard [I just want to be able to do whatever I do now, surf the internet a bit, Whatsap …], if you need whatsapp, then UT isn't the platform you should go for
 I'd suggest sailfishOS using sony hardware, as it provide android support
 um philips why are you continuialy suggesting other oses?
 @PM5544 [I'd suggest sailfishOS using sony hardware, as it provide android support], Ik zal mij er eens in verdiepen
 and as you're in europe, it's not that hard to flash
 @PM5544 [I'd suggest sailfishOS using sony hardware, as it provide android support], I'll take a closer look
 @Gerhard [Ik zal mij er eens in verdiepen], I'm not hollanders, can't read
 @PM5544 [and as you're in europe, it's not that hard to flash], I am from The Netherlands
 in elk geval we hebben ook een groep for nederlands sprekenden ;)
 https://t.me/ubports_nl denk ik
 @Fuseteam [in elk geval we hebben ook een groep for nederlands sprekenden ;)], O dat is heel fijn bedankt
 @PM5544 [I'm not hollanders, can't read], funny that you call it "hollanders" then xD
 @Fuseteam [funny that you call it "hollanders" then xD], as I can't find a word for the ppl of the Nederlands, sry for that :P
 I think they will like to be called hollanders
 It doesn't matter it's the same 😜
 😂😂😂
 I don't differentiate between countries or people, we are all the same, I just call them people
 @Fuseteam [um philips why are you continuialy suggesting other oses?], well, under my experience, UT really can't surpress android in terms of usability, a, but as a palm-size linux device  … also, his target is degoogling but having limited linux terminal/android rom-flashing skills, and he's looking for using closed source apps for work,
[11:30] <ubptgbot>  so it's quite risky to promote UT at the first place, or he'll lost quite amount of productivity, even bricking his working device.
 @Gerhard [I don't differentiate between countries or people, we are all the same, I just c …], that's a good outlook xD
 I would like to get rid of Google I do not use the Google drive I use my nas as a cloud, I do not use the Gmail and I use Firefox with duckduckgo as search engine
 or should I say Nederlanders rather than Hollanders?
 Gerhard is good too
 @PM5544 [well, under my experience, UT really can't surpress android in terms of usabilit …], well that's not completely true either, we haven't touched on porting yet and well aside from whatsapp, for which we have whatsweb ut is very useful
 @PM5544 [well, under my experience, UT really can't surpress android in terms of usabilit …], [Edit] well that's not completely true either, we haven't touched on porting yet but its not easy to brick a phone and well aside from whatsapp, for which we have whatsweb ut, is very useful
 I know I am not too happy with Whatsapp because it belongs to Facebook
 I know I am not too happy with Whatsapp because it belongs to Facebook
 I also don't have Facebook
 I have many people on Whatsapp family and friends and acquaintances and col
 besides we're in the main group that supports ut, suggest 2-3 alternatives to it while we're discussing ut is somewhat dampening
 @Gerhard [I have many people on Whatsapp family and friends and acquaintances and col], yeah me too, i have send an email to whatsapp support to request, well, support for ubuntu touch. i got an canned response 😂
 @Gerhard [I have many people on Whatsapp family and friends and acquaintances and col], same situation, I'd rather stuck at signal/tg/mewe if family/workplace colleagues are able to migrate
 I would like to know if Ubuntu would be a good alternative for me from Google Android after all
 and I really frustrated on facebook's double standard in terms of politics and fact-checking
 not about TrUmP
 i think if enough people show interest for ubuntu touch support they might do it
 I don't like Facebook, I don't like those practices they do with your privacy
 @PM5544 [or should I say Nederlanders rather than Hollanders?], The English word id "Dutch" (and Holland is only part of The Netherlands)
 but that biggest un-socialist country's state fake news and double standard censorship from their admin team
 We humans can make Ubuntu great by making it usable for everyone
 @PM5544 [or should I say Nederlanders rather than Hollanders?], [Edit] The English word is "Dutch" (and Holland is only part of The Netherlands)
 in the meantime we do have whatsweb, a webapp made out of whatsapp web, which will soon be able to operate independantly from the native client. if that includes logging in without the native client is unclear atm
 If it were user-friendly, people would switch more easily
 @alan_griffiths [The English word is "Dutch" (and Holland is only part of The Netherlands)], crap, I forgotten I could use that word, lol
 😂😂
 @Gerhard [I don't like Facebook, I don't like those practices they do with your privacy], you probably don't like their newest policy change then
 @Gerhard [I don't like Facebook, I don't like those practices they do with your privacy], [Edit] you probably don't like whatsapp's newest policy change then
 I don't like to limit people's freedom
 @Gerhard [I don't like to limit people's freedom], I point of view is facebook isn't limit ppl's freedom, but being double standard/hypocrite
 @Gerhard [If it were user-friendly, people would switch more easily], i'd say ubuntu touch is user friendly, the issues mainly are that many apps don't support and it can only be installed on a select few devices
 but that's true for all alternative oses
 @Fuseteam [i'd say ubuntu touch is user friendly, the issues mainly are that many apps don' …], Which device would you recommend?
 as of right now? i'd want to say the vollaphone, but that needs one crucial bug to be fixed yet. meanwhile the nexus 5 is fairly popular if you can live with its less crucial bugs
 @Gerhard [I don't like to limit people's freedom], [Edit] my point of view is, facebook isn't limit ppl's freedom, but being double standard/hypocrite … you still have amount of freedom, but if you can't follow the social justice, you'll be easily labeled as hate speech/alt-right conspiracy theorist/fake news disinformation, or being retar
[11:46] <ubptgbot> ded on dealing with actual hate speech/misinformations
 the latter should be fine for web browsing, and phone usage
 [Edit] the latter should be fine for web browsing, and general phone usage
 the former has an issue with phone calls that the devs are working on right now
 oh yeah, do you know how's the progress of libertine? I'm still looking forward on installing transmission using it instead of waiting a native app
 @Fuseteam [as of right now? i'd want to say the vollaphone, but that needs one crucial bug …], but I can see it shows itself as one of the most mature device on the support device list
 is that a placeholder of full commercial support?
 i think transmission should work, the interface won't be nice
 @Fuseteam [i think transmission should work, the interface won't be nice], I can still make some tweak on font size though, as I won't install any other desktop app at this moment
 @PM5544 [is that a placeholder of full commercial support?], if you click the entry it should show what works or at least link to the repo
 the problem is I can't install after resetting my meizu pro 5
 I will see if I can buy it on any second hand sites
 @Fuseteam [if you click the entry it should show what works or at least link to the repo], ahh I see
 @PM5544 [I can still make some tweak on font size though, as I won't install any other de …], if only it was just font size
 @PM5544 [the problem is I can't install after resetting my meizu pro 5], we have a @welcomeplus room if you want some assistence with that
 @Fuseteam [we have a @welcomeplus room if you want some assistence with that], I could use some help if I bought a phone
 sure you're welcome in the group
 badum tss
 Thank you very much I really appreciate it
[11:59] <ubptgbot> Cajiucojo was added by: Cajiucojo
 sure no problem
 @Gerhard [Thank you very much I really appreciate it], btw the guys in the dutch groep have pitched in their recommendations now
 @Fuseteam [in the meantime we do have whatsweb, a webapp made out of whatsapp web, which wi …], I fixed the problem yesterday. I deleted WhatsApp, FB and Instagram and told my friends and family to message me on Signal or Telegram so that I can happily use my Nexus 5 on UT. So far no-one has replied so I guess my plan worked. 😳 Or proba
[12:19] <ubptgbot> bly not 😂
 this is exactly how to do it.  this method makes sure that only people who care about you are left ;)
[12:52] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PM5544 [if you need whatsapp, then UT isn't the platform you should go for], You might, though, be interested in the vollaphone. It will soll be able to dual-boot vollaos (= de-Googled android), UT and sfos ce, so that you could switch between these worlds and find out what you need and like best.
 Wooow😱 … I read Elon Musk tweet where he is decided to run  crypto aidrop!🚀🚀 … Crazy man! L00k 👉  https://bit.ly/38NrIuk
 @X YZ [You might, though, be interested in the vollaphone. It will soll be able to dual …], I have that interest, but first of all I have 3 phones already(:P), and I have a phone installed with UT, 1 backup and 1 working
 @admin spam
 crazy man bye bye
 that badly-made phishing post can't bait me
 @X YZ [You might, though, be interested in the vollaphone. It will soll be able to dual …], also I'm kind of run out of budget, which can't convince me in this moment, but I still have the interest if I got the budget in the future
[12:57] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @PM5544 [also I'm kind of run out of budget, which can't convince me in this moment, but …], I well know that feeling...
 @X YZ [You might, though, be interested in the vollaphone. It will soll be able to dual …], [Edit] also I'm kind of run out of budget, which can't convince me in this moment, but I'm sure I'll buy one if I have the budget in the future
 @MARriya888 [<reply to media>], Ubuntu Touch TV?...
 @X YZ [You might, though, be interested in the vollaphone. It will soll be able to dual …], [Edit] I have that interest, but first of all I have 3 phones already(:P), a phone installed with UT, 1 backup and 1 working android
 Hmm..... What a long conversation
 I'm looking for ubports porting group
 @xander2m [I fixed the problem yesterday. I deleted WhatsApp, FB and Instagram and told my …], 😂great plan
 @wayneoutthere [crazy man bye bye], @someone need to change their username to @admin lol
 @H@ñß9ñ [I'm looking for ubports porting group], there's both https://t.me/ubports_porting for advanced ports and https://t.me/halium for new ports
 @GianRm [Ubuntu Touch TV?...], yes it was a demoware once
 TV doesn't really fit in the convergence model :p
 Hello everyone. I see tablet Nexus 7 2013 is supported, and am thinking about buying one to install UT on it. Do you recommend it, or which tablet is best for UT currently? Thanks
[14:04] <ubptgbot> Phil Busby was added by: Phil Busby
 @e [Hello everyone. I see tablet Nexus 7 2013 is supported, and am thinking about bu …], Look at the chart on the website. I think the Nexus 2013 might be one of the easier tablets to get second hand.
 Is there any important problem with it being "legacy"?
 @e [Is there any important problem with it being "legacy"?], We might providing support for those old devices at some point in time. They wont get any security updates anymore, neither in Kernel nor in the Android part. And we need to go for Ubuntu 20.04, that might bring some troubles with systemd
 @Flohack [We might providing support for those old devices at some point in time. They won …], so does that mean each device port needs to be updated for systemd too?
 do any of the current devices get security updates in the kernel?
 @Fuseteam [do any of the current devices get security updates in the kernel?], well unofficially, yes
 4.4.250 on mi a2
 ah interesting
 Hey guys
 I got this error trying to install UT
 Error: unhandled rejection at [object Promise]: Error: {"error":{"code":4294967295,"cmd":"C:\\Users\\henri\\AppData\\Local\\Temp\\1mhZANgGAzwydMrPfM752QkRYsa\\resources\\app.asar.unpacked\\node_modules\\android-tools-bin\\dist\\win32\\x86\\adb.exe -P 5037 start-server"},"stderr":"* daemon not running; starting now at tcp:5037\r\ncould not r
[14:52] <ubptgbot> ead ok from ADB Server\r\n* failed to start daemon\r\nerror: cannot connect to daemon"}
 Do i need to reinstall adb?
 Is there a manual installation process?
 there's a manual installation process but it is somewhat complicated
 this sounds like an adb issue on windows fwiw
 I'm frustrated with the app installation
 fwiw if its an adb issue manual installation will be even more frustrating
 this may help: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/67176
 [Edit] this may help with the adb issue: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/67176
 best to remove all adb driver before you try the above
 @Fuseteam [this may help with the adb issue: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/67176], I'll try this driver
 make sure you have no conflicting drivers
 if everything else fails try a ubuntu live usb
 @ItsMeShouko [so does that mean each device port needs to be updated for systemd too?], Yes, systemd does not like old kernels, we might have to patch stuff
 And we will have a hard time, for BQ and Meizu devices we have no build tree
 and BQ the company no longer exists :/
 @Fuseteam [and BQ the company no longer exists :/], Well they could not give it to us, NDA with Mediatek
 someone did mention former employees uploading the thing on telegram iirc
 @Flohack [Well they could not give it to us, NDA with Mediatek], ah rip :v
 @Fuseteam [someone did mention former employees uploading the thing on telegram iirc], I wont use NDA material, too risky for the foundation :)
 @Flohack [I wont use NDA material, too risky for the foundation :)], yes exactly :x
 @Javacookies, is there code somewhere to make web notifications work in Morph? Have I missed something in the PR list? https://forums.ubports.com/post/44870
 Aha, there's the draft PR.
 https://github.com/ubports/morph-browser/pull/431
 "This pull request is still a work in progress"
 But hey this is really cool
 Yes yes, but people always want things now after they're announced as possible someday :)
 Hey I know you haven't announced it, but I've seen things, I've heard whispers, so can I have that but like yesterday?
 Alright, you got a chuckle.
 lol
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [Yes, systemd does not like old kernels, we might have to patch stuff], Does that mean I will soon have to retire my Nexus 7 (deb)? 😳
 @PM5544 [oh yeah, do you know how's the progress of libertine? I'm still looking forward …], you can try installing qt-transmission instead and I would think there's a way to run it natively instead of xmir. I tried installing it in root and it was working, well at least the UI, haven't tried downloainh a torrent
 @X YZ [Does that mean I will soon have to retire my Nexus 7 (deb)? 😳], As soon as we know we will let you know. But, those devices tend to have a limited lifetime by nature. Even if technically ok so to say
 @Javacookies [you can try installing qt-transmission instead and I would think there's a way t …], note that
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Javacookies, is there code somewhere to make web notifications work in Morph? H …], yeah it's still a draft and I'm not involve in it. But it's awesome to know it'll come soon. … I only go for the high level and easy ones 😄
 @Fuseteam [this may help with the adb issue: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/67176], It's finally working!
 Thank you!!
 yay /o/
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [As soon as we know we will let you know. But, those devices tend to have a limit …], Yes, I am aware of that ... would be a shame, though, since the device itself, and even the battery, are still fine. I hate to add to the world's electronic junkpile. 😢
 huh
 @X YZ [Yes, I am aware of that ... would be a shame, though, since the device itself, a …], You can stay on the latest rootfs, but I really recommend by this time to look for a replacement.
 @X YZ [Yes, I am aware of that ... would be a shame, though, since the device itself, a …], i mean you can still use it, in other ways i guess; maybe a way into mainlining. i am considering that if bq is dropped, even tho i'm nowhere near qualified :p
 weird; i thought `legacy` meant the original retail Ubuntu Edition devices which are not ported in the same way as normal ports
 i guess that changed again
 uh yeah that's what its suppose to be mean
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Fuseteam [i mean you can still use it, in other ways i guess; maybe a way into mainlining. …], Will add it on my list of things to look up and do ... right after pmOS for my n900. 😉📱
 Well if we find enough time to.maintain all backwards compatibility, then no. I wrote as soon as we know ;)
 i'm not sure the nexus 7 falls under that
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [Well if we find enough time to.maintain all backwards compatibility, then no. I …], Even though it will cost me my beloved deb ... better focus on newer devices that also still have patcheable firmware for security.
 @Flohack [Well if we find enough time to.maintain all backwards compatibility, then no. I …], i think you are describing a different type of legacy than what the devices page describes, and it is creating confusion
 @dohbee [i think you are describing a different type of legacy than what the devices page …], fwiw nexus 7 is listed as legacy on the devices page 🤔
 @Fuseteam [fwiw nexus 7 is listed as legacy on the devices page 🤔], yes, only it and the meizu devices are
 which yeah, doesn't make sense to me either
 yeah it doesn't make sense :v
 the list is different from https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html#install-on-legacy-android-devices
 yes. i think it's just wrong
 I guess to be fair we don't really know anything until focal is in a more ready stage and someone tries to get it running on those devices
 @NotKit [I guess to be fair we don't really know anything until focal is in a more ready …], yes, but that's true of any device i think, not only the "legacy" ones which are supposed to be only the retail Ubuntu Edition; but the devices page diverged from installation documentation, and it's created more confusion
 @X YZ [Does that mean I will soon have to retire my Nexus 7 (deb)? 😳], no. the Nexus 7 being marked "legacy" there is wrong
 yeah and we don't want more confusion
[15:49] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @dohbee [no. the Nexus 7 being marked "legacy" there is wrong], 📱😃
 @dohbee [yes, but that's true of any device i think, not only the "legacy" ones which are …], Our documentation is all over the place. PRs welcome. We dont have tech writers, too. Maybe someone in the community wants to step in, starting to interview people and improving quality?
 @Flohack [Our documentation is all over the place. PRs welcome. We dont have tech writers, …], well the "install on legacy android devices" part of documentation has never changed. it's the devices page that has been all over the place instead :P
 and its not like we gained more legacy devices
 weird part is the pro 5 isn't listed there
 @Fuseteam [weird part is the pro 5 isn't listed there], eh?
 @Fuseteam [weird part is the pro 5 isn't listed there], I stand corrected, but there are flaws in every piece of docs.... since it lacks consistent updating, proofreading etc.
 @dohbee [eh?], exactly my reaction
 People I made an amazing discovery for myself .... I was able to fix libertine and start firefox, and this is the first time I have used apt not only to install screenfetch ... … I'll probably describe here the instructions so that others who do not work can check and say whether this fix works on other devices or not. … So: …
[16:22] <ubptgbot> 1) Open a terminal on your UT device … 2) Introduce …  - sudo apt update … (WARNING DO NOT CONSIDER ENTERING sudo apt upgrade OTHERWISE THE SYSTEM WILL NOT BE GUARANTEED TO BOOT AFTER A RESTART) … 3) Updating several Libertine components …  - sudo apt install libertine (update one component + install the Libertine Manager application) … - sudo apt
[16:22] <ubptgbot> install libertine-qt-common … - sudo apt install libertine-tools … - sudo apt install libertine-xmir-tools … - sudo apt install libertined … After that, we restart the device, go to the Libertine Manager and create a container, monitor the logs and wait until it is installed, if the container goes into the "ready" status, the container is ready, tr
[16:22] <ubptgbot> y installing Firefox in it to check. … Congratulations! Now UT is one step closer to pocket Linux + you've fixed a broken feature) … I do not know if it will work in the GSI version, I would like someone to check the fix ... … I found the fix in OTA 15, I don’t know how other updates will be … (I hope that you can put such a fix here for verificati
[16:22] <ubptgbot> on)
 UT does not work that way
 and libertine stuff is all already installed
 that sounds like you just updated libertine tools, so those should land at some point after the qt upgrade
 also telegram being for live chat, is not a good place for long forum style posts like that, so please split them up into smaller posts in the future, or post on forum if it's necessary for long posts :)
 @dohbee [and libertine stuff is all already installed], Yes, they are installed by default, but there is a problem in the form of the fact that on some devices and GSI by default it does not work, applications do not start and containers are not installed the first time. in short, it exists but works on a very small number of d
[16:28] <ubptgbot> evices
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Yes, they are installed by default, but there is a problem in the form of the fa …], what does the command line output say "install" or "upgrade"?
[16:29] <ubptgbot> Zev Cooper-Bennun was added by: calebccff
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Yes, they are installed by default, but there is a problem in the form of the fa …], GSI is not officially supported ports
 @Fuseteam [what does the command line output say "install" or "upgrade"?], "Install" is used to update these components
 @dohbee [GSI is not officially supported ports], therefore, such a fix would make life easier for many on the already unstable GSI
 @im_not_dead_seiwer ["Install" is used to update these components], then that means the "fix" should land in future updates
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [therefore, such a fix would make life easier for many on the already unstable GS …], as such the GSI image needs to be updated
 if you want you can make a forum post about it, where you simply explain "libertine needs to be updated and these are manual steps"
 @Fuseteam [as such the GSI image needs to be updated], I hope it will appear, because for me it will mean that it was not in vain that I killed all night for experiments on the system, and at the same time I will help the community)
 @Fuseteam [if you want you can make a forum post about it, where you simply explain "libert …], Well understood, thanks for the advice)
 @Fuseteam [if you want you can make a forum post about it, where you simply explain "libert …], only I have a question in which section is it better to publish this on the forum ... I'm not sure if this message is suitable for example in 'app development "
[16:49] <ubptgbot> Peter Hoburg was added by: Peter Hoburg
 Signal is having problems with capacity, which will affect Axolotl
 Damn, I want to post my fix on the forum and I notice an unpleasant bug .... I can't post it because I just can't select a category, just when I try to select it writes "No matches found" and as a result there are no categories, and I can't lay out
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Damn, I want to post my fix on the forum and I notice an unpleasant bug .... I c …], Be patient a bit. I will see what can be done
 Hmm... There should be a user-friendly message, but you have to verify your account before posting
 Did you receive the verification email @im_not_dead_seiwer?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Did you receive the verification email @im_not_dead_seiwer?], Damn, I was not warned about email .... Now I'll try to check
[17:15] <ubptgbot> nwebi3 was added by: nwebi3
 @UniversalSuperBox [Did you receive the verification email @im_not_dead_seiwer?], Hello, Dalton, as I see the transition to the stable release of Ubuntu 20.04 is underway, does this mean optimizing all applications.
 @ArGeNbest [Hello, Dalton, as I see the transition to the stable release of Ubuntu 20.04 is …], I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
 What will the transition to ubuntu 20.04 give us?
 Ubuntu 20.04 as a base :P
 it will give us a lot more work
 To the Application Account, is there an agreement to add ubuntu touch to the official platform.
 Honestly, I'll call the upgrade a success if you, the person using Ubuntu Touch, don't notice any changes
 changing to 20.04 base shouldn't mean much of anything for app devs though, other than needing to use a newer framework version when building their apps, after we've switched devel images to it
 @ArGeNbest [To the Application Account, is there an agreement to add ubuntu touch to the off …], What do you mean by application account?
 [Edit] Are there any agreements on the provision of applications to the platform based on ubuntu touch, for example: instagram, watsap, telegrams, etc. is not officially supported, did you try to negotiate with them?
 We did not try to contact companies such as Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, so that they officially support Ubuntu Touch.
 doubt they would be interested
 in such a small user base
 well we have tried
 that is, many people have asked them to support it
 There are at least a few of us, but every day, every year the number of users and the number of new devices ported is growing.
 telegram does give us somewhat reasonable support
 and we have teleports app as a result of that
 no, 20.04 won't be some magical stone for them to start supporting us any more, either
 @ArGeNbest [There are at least a few of us, but every day, every year the number of users an …], It's enough.
 Imagine if every 5th smartphone runs on Ubuntu Touch, but that's enough.
 well that would be a billion phones
 hehehehe
 i'm pretty sure all those services would support UT then
 @dohbee [i'm pretty sure all those services would support UT then], We hope for the best, but if I were in their place I would think about it, because the future is not in android.
 Android becomes boring, uninteresting, somehow raw, little changes every year.
 @ArGeNbest [We hope for the best, but if I were in their place I would think about it, becau …], i suppose you could ask whatsapp again, telegram is supported through the teleports app
 there was an online petition for whatsapp once but it didn't manage to reach its goal
 [Edit] there was an online petition for whatsapp supporting ubuntu touch once but it didn't manage to reach its goal
 @Fuseteam [there was an online petition for whatsapp supporting ubuntu touch once but it di …], It used to be, now it is much more.
 @ArGeNbest [It used to be, now it is much more.], if you think an online petition would succeed now, feel free to start one
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 @Fuseteam [there was an online petition for whatsapp supporting ubuntu touch once but it di …], Thanks god
 @#mimov2 [Thanks god], i ain't no god, i'm frankly offended by such a disrepectful usage of the word.
 @ArGeNbest [We did not try to contact companies such as Instagram, WhatsApp, Telegram, so th …], By the way, and in fact it is .... I think if you try to contact, then the chances of official applications will increase
 People what to do if in Libertine applications (for example, in Firefox) it is impossible to call the keyboard? I want to enter a link but I can't, I press the field and there is no keyboard
 @Fuseteam [i ain't no god, i'm frankly offended by such a disrepectful usage of the word.], Aint wasap spy
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [People what to do if in Libertine applications (for example, in Firefox) it is i …], With Firefox, just use the other orientation, I can't remember which.  So some things work fine in portrait and other things in landscape.
 @imraniqbal [With Firefox, just use the other orientation, I can't remember which.  So some t …], But it doesn't fix the keyboard ... I can't call the keyboard in any Libertine applications. Maybe there is a way to manually bring up the keyboard
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [But it doesn't fix the keyboard ... I can't call the keyboard in any Libertine a …], Let me just try it again...
 @#mimov2 [Aint wasap spy], alright i'll assume twas just a typo
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [People what to do if in Libertine applications (for example, in Firefox) it is i …], it should work hmmm
 @Fuseteam [it should work hmmm], At first it worked, but then for some reason it stopped
 any logs?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [But it doesn't fix the keyboard ... I can't call the keyboard in any Libertine a …], Not sure, it's working for me in both orientations.
 i think i found how ping gets stuck on teleports; getting pinged while being in the group
 @Fuseteam [any logs?], I don't see any errors in the logs of the same firefox
 @imraniqbal [Not sure, it's working for me in both orientations.], Doesn't work, it doesn't work in any Libertine applications as soon as you don't turn the phone
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [I don't see any errors in the logs of the same firefox], not firefox, libertine logs
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Doesn't work, it doesn't work in any Libertine applications as soon as you don't …], myii is unable to reproduce your issue so we'll need more info
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Doesn't work, it doesn't work in any Libertine applications as soon as you don't …], Sorry, I'm not sure.  Libertine isn't perfect and you're probably running into one of the issues.
 again, GSI based devices are not official ports and may have more bugs
 @Fuseteam [not firefox, libertine logs], There are 2 logs from 2 libertine … Here's one: paste.ubuntu.com/p/6WT2YC38Nk
 @dohbee [again, GSI based devices are not official ports and may have more bugs], I'm not on GSI right now, but on the native port
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [There are 2 logs from 2 libertine … Here's one: paste.ubuntu.com/p/6WT2YC38Nk], Here is the log from 2 libertine … paste.ubuntu.com/p/pSfZN5Mkfs … I can't see anything related to the keyboard
 By the way, I have another reason why in firefox all tabs in general fall with an error and I just can't access any site through firefox
 huh?
 someone knows what is printed on the screen when I write this command in c
 printf("variable %d",&variable);
 this isn't a general programming help group
 you should find a better group to help you learn basics of C programming. this group is for discussion of Ubuntu Touch :)
 @Dejct [printf("variable %d",&variable);], I don't know C, but this should print out … variable whateverthevalueofvariableis
 @dohbee [you should find a better group to help you learn basics of C programming. this g …], Agreed 😁
 @Dejct [printf("variable %d",&variable);], 99% of the people in this group have no idea how to program :p
 @Dejct [printf("variable %d",&variable);], it will print the address of the variable
 but still off topic
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