[12:16] <drkm> whats the difference between a KDE theme and a KDM theme?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> dunno
[12:18] <drkm> ok
[12:19] <BluesKaj> someone here prolly knows
[12:19] <bioticpro> cloakable, you think before or after xmas is better for a deal?
[12:20] <fdoving> drkm: kdm is the login manager, ie. the screen where you input username/password. KDE is what appears after you've logged in.
[12:20] <cloakable> bioticpro: Wouldn't know :) I buy secondhand
[12:20] <drkm> ahh ok
[12:20] <drkm> fdov: is there a special way to install kde themes or does it do it like when you install a mouse theme .. just click install theme?
[12:21] <fdoving> drkm: should be stright forward.
[12:21] <bioticpro> cloakable, I usually do also, but I got a befenfactor whants to get me one
[12:21] <cloakable> bioticpro: Can I recommend an alienware laptop? :P
[12:22] <bioticpro> cloakable, I wish, thats little too much green ;)
[12:22] <Jucato> drkm: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html
[12:23] <bioticpro> cloakable, I still cant find an IBM lappy with at least 17" screen
[12:23] <cloakable> bioticpro: http://www.thinkwiki.org
[12:25] <cloakable> bioticpro: Yeah, seems you're right.
[12:26] <SnDPhoenix> damn, i need help with kubuntu
[12:26] <SnDPhoenix> can anyone here help?
[12:27] <__osh__> !ask
[12:27] <Ubotwo> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:27] <matthew> !anyone | SnDPhoenix
[12:27] <Ubotwo> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:27] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, what's the problem?
[12:27] <cloakable> bioticpro: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Z_Series - biggest screen on IBM, apparently.
[12:27] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, what are you having trouble with?
[12:28] <SnDPhoenix> alright well i dled the kubuntu 6.10 lived/install cd, burned it and when i try to boot from it, the x server crashes with the error, "fatal error, no screens found"
[12:28] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, the liveCD crashes?
[12:28] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, do you have an ATI card?
[12:28] <SnDPhoenix> yes i do
[12:28] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, that's the problem.
[12:29] <SnDPhoenix> it is an x300/x500
[12:29] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I'm not sure if you can load modules for graphics cards from a liveCD...might want to google around.
[12:29] <bioticpro> cloakable, yeah, looks like 15.4 is biggest, Im going with Toshiba likely, or HP
[12:29] <matthew> ATI is notorious for not releasing drivers for linux for its cards...as opposed to nvidia.
[12:30] <cloakable> bioticpro: Good luck :) Though linux is pretty good on laptops now.
[12:30] <matthew> !ati
[12:30] <Ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:30] <matthew> !ati | SnDPhoenix
[12:31] <Whopper> How do you make windows transparent?
[12:32] <matthew> Whopper, right-click on the window bar and select Advanced settings -> Application settings
[12:32] <bioticpro> cloakable, thx, gotta free up the phone line now, later
[12:32] <Whopper> thanks :D
[12:32] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, well heres what happens, it says that x server could not start "would you like to view the output" i hit yes, it then displays the output, i hit ok and it says "would you like to view the detailed output" i say yes, then it says something like please configure ...then restart, i hit ok and it brings me to an oversized, screen-filled, command prompt
[12:32] <matthew> Whopper, you can also go through the kcontrol menu
[12:32] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, are you competent in the terminal?
[12:33] <SnDPhoenix> not really, depends on what i need to type, i might know it
[12:33] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, you might want to d/l the alternate install disc...it's totally CLI, so no problem with X...then when you get it installed, you can fool with graphics...
[12:34] <lordvader> hallo
[12:34] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, where do i get the cli version, all i can find is the livecd version and the server edition
[12:35] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: you mean the alternate cd? Same place as the live cd usually.
[12:35] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, where are you in the world?
[12:35] <SnDPhoenix> lol, florida
[12:35] <matthew> ok, h/o
[12:36] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[12:37] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I would use bittorrent to d/l it...do you know how to do that?
[12:37] <SnDPhoenix> yeah i have uTorrent and im profecient in bittorrent
[12:37] <matthew> ok, look for the following line...it's about half-way down the page...
[12:37] <matthew> kubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:38] <ikonia> proficient in bittorrent
[12:38] <ikonia> ??
[12:38] <ikonia> how is that a "skill"
[12:38] <SnDPhoenix> actually linux is the only thing i aint proficient , but anyways yeah i see it, only prob is i want to use a dl manager
[12:38] <matthew> !etiquette | ikonia
[12:38] <Ubotwo> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[12:39] <matthew> ikonia, be nice.
[12:39] <SnDPhoenix> lol, yeah, sounds silly, i wasnt thinking, but yeah, i need the http version
[12:40] <matthew> if you d/l with http, you are at greater risk for errors and corruption...
[12:41] <SnDPhoenix> actually i think it depends on what you use, for example Flashget tends to cause corrupted dls, whereas IDM doesnt
[12:41] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, whatever floats your boat...
[12:42] <SnDPhoenix> so the only diff between the alternate disk and the livecd is that it doesnt contain the x server right?
[12:42] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, no, it doesn't install the xserver as a default, I think.
[12:43] <SnDPhoenix> oh, so it is availible if you want it, but not turned on by default
[12:43] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, exactly
[12:43] <DaveQB> dont think so
[12:43] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: the normal alternate cd does install an x server, just the same as the live cd.
[12:43] <matthew> I actually think that only the installer is text only...it might boot into a gui.
[12:43] <matthew> by default
[12:43] <DaveQB> Alt means the Ncurses installer and a few other options
[12:44] <dsmith_> adept updater wont load?  APT database could not be opened?
[12:44] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: the difference is only the installer, which is text based.
[12:44] <DaveQB> yes it does mathew
[12:44] <DaveQB> dsmith_  try apt-cache search adept
[12:44] <matthew> DaveQB, oh, ok.
[12:44] <SnDPhoenix> oh, so it wouldnt even use X because it is gui based?
[12:44] <SnDPhoenix> isnt*
[12:44] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, the installer won't, but the OS will.
[12:44] <DaveQB> like Mathew said
[12:45] <SnDPhoenix> well, yeah, obviously, but as long as the installer is text based im good, (i hope)
[12:45] <DaveQB> the installer offers some other options too, good for low spec machines too
[12:45] <matthew> DaveQB goes FTW
[12:45] <SnDPhoenix> well damn, this is like a stripped version is it, i hope alot of stuff wasnt removed, to make the os "lighter"
[12:46] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, you're not getting it...everything gets installed, but the installer is just text-based
[12:46] <dsmith_> thx dave, I was trying to update via the GUI
[12:46] <dsmith_> via terminal that line just gave me a listing
[12:47] <SnDPhoenix> yes i am getting it believe me, its just dave confused me when he said "...good for low spec machines too"
[12:47] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, ok...sorry, I didn't mean to be rude,
[12:47] <SnDPhoenix> nah, im used to it, (ikonia was being that way)
[12:48] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: I wasn't being rude to you
[12:48] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, yeah, but it reflects poorly on the whole community!
[12:48] <ikonia> I spend 30 minutes trying to help you in #xorg before I guided you in here
[12:48] <ikonia> you chose not to listen
[12:48] <ikonia> I was very patient with you
[12:48] <DaveQB> dsmith_  hmm then it seems apt-get is working
[12:48] <matthew> ikonia, you were belittling SnDPhoenix for proficency in bittorrent
[12:48] <SnDPhoenix> i DID, listen, its just everything you typed, i either already tried or didnt work
[12:48] <ikonia> yes, because I'd spent 30 minutes
[12:49] <matthew> ikonia, at least, that's what I saw
[12:49] <ikonia> I was losing patience
[12:49] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you didn't try ANYTHING
[12:49] <matthew> ikonia, SnDPhoenix , stop talking to each other, please
[12:49] <ikonia> yes
[12:49] <matthew> !attitude
[12:49] <Ubotwo> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:49] <ikonia> happy to
[12:49] <DaveQB> dsmith_  did you try adept again ?
[12:49] <ikonia> but I won't be slated for being rude when I've spent 30 minutes helping someone
[12:49] <DaveQB> dsmith_  re-launch it
[12:49] <SnDPhoenix> yes i did TRY EVERYTHING, how do you think i was able to tell you the output messages i was recieving
[12:50] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, it's over.  Learn something new ...
[12:52] <SnDPhoenix> well, you keep calling them crappy, lol
[12:52] <DaveQB> nvidia is awesome
[12:52] <SnDPhoenix> i agree, i wish i had one.
[12:52] <DaveQB> maybe just the card is crappy
[12:53] <SnDPhoenix> probaly get one for the holidays
[12:53] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, no I meant an old one.
[12:53] <dsmith_> the forgot to solder one of the micro cpas on the board
[12:53] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, nvidia is good because it releases drivers for its cards.
[12:53] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, ati never released drivers
[12:54] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, the only reason we can use them is cause someone reverse-engineered the card, to a point
[12:54] <SnDPhoenix> also nvidia's quality seems better, BUT, i do think ati's are more "stable"
[12:54] <dsmith_> in defense of ATI, they have released drivers fro my vid. card when I had it
[12:54] <ikonia> matthew: am I missing something, why can't he install using the alternate CD and then just configure ati drivers on his real system
[12:54] <SnDPhoenix> but not very often
[12:54] <matthew> dsmith_, hmmm, interesting...what card?
[12:54] <dsmith_> Nvid: is better, less stable yes
[12:55] <dsmith_> it came with a my dell...
[12:55] <dsmith_> ummmmm
[12:55] <dsmith_> figurs you ask me that, I have to look and see
[12:55] <matthew> lol
[12:56] <phobiac> Whenever I try to use apt-get in the command line to install or remove a package, it tries to force me to remove a bunch of packages that have been for some reason labled to be "autoremove". Typing sudo apt-get autoremove does the same thing, but I can't find any info on autoremove in the manuals. Some of the packages it wants to remove are actually useful, like a few things konqueror depends on, K3b, and Kate. I can't figure out how to ge
[12:56] <matthew> my ati card works, but a lot of features are dead, like tv-in, tv-out 3d acceleration, openGL, etc
[12:56] <SnDPhoenix> dsmith: you could run Everest and check what card you have
[12:57] <dsmith_> I know what everest is
[12:57] <dsmith_> I am not home though
[12:57] <dsmith_> one sec
[12:57] <BluesKaj> There are some fglrx open source drivers for ATI cards at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[12:57] <SnDPhoenix> oh
[12:57] <SnDPhoenix> i tried the fglrx but it didnt work
[12:57] <dsmith_> did you mean liux drivers or windows?
[12:57] <matthew> BluesKaj, yeah, but that doesn't cover my card...it's too old...rage 128 pro
[12:58] <BluesKaj> bummer, matthew
[12:58] <BluesKaj> :(
[12:58] <matthew> BluesKaj, yeah, I know...I spent 6 hours on here last week with a super guy (genii) who helped me...but nothing worked. Bleagh
[12:59] <SnDPhoenix> hey misc question, what do you think is better, nvidia's 8800xt or their older, more supported 7800xt?
[12:59] <dsmith_> i dont know, I want top replace the ATI card that I have though
[12:59] <dsmith_> I was looking at the 7800
[12:59] <ikonia> the later cards are obviously better
[01:00] <ikonia> driver support will probably lag a little
[01:00] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, the 8800xt just came out so there is barely any support
[01:00] <dsmith_> the one I have in my dell is  ATI 128MB PCI-Express x16
[01:00] <dsmith_> thats all I remember
[01:00] <SnDPhoenix> also is the 8800xt used in the ps3?
[01:01] <Sanne> phobiac: when you remove something other programs depend on, they would be removed also. What are you trying to uninstall?
[01:01] <Sanne> phobiac: disregard, I misread
[01:01] <phobiac> Sanne: It happens whenever I use apt-get in the command line for installing and uninstalling
[01:01] <phobiac> Oh okay
[01:02] <Sanne> phobiac: that's nasty. I'm sorry I don't knwo about autoremove.
[01:02] <dsmith_> i believe the card I have in my dell pc is a X600SE
[01:03] <phobiac> Sanne: It's really annoying. I'm trying to find info on it with google but the most I've found it sounds like a feature aptitude has, but none of those were installing with aptitude.
[01:04] <phobiac> It's even trying to get rid of adept. :(
[01:04] <dsmith_> ouch
[01:04] <Sanne> phobiac: yeah, sounds like aptitude to me. Weird. Somehow you should be able to check what packages are set to autoremove and reset those flags, one would think.
[01:05] <phobiac> I think the command line is trying to tell me it doesn't like gui.
[01:05] <phobiac> Sanne: I thought so too. I wish I could find some way to disable this.
[01:05] <dsmith_> well like I tell everyone, make weekly snapshots of your linux install, so if something goes amiss. You can fix it
[01:06] <SnDPhoenix> omg, i just noticed, with the alt cd oj kubuntu, the installer is text based right, BUT is it done through terminal, because i am not very good with terminal.
[01:06] <davidm_> howdy all!
[01:07] <SnDPhoenix> hey
[01:07] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: its ncurses based
[01:07] <ikonia> (menu driven)
[01:07] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: have no fear, you can read, and type, it's not really hard. Just take your time.
[01:07] <SnDPhoenix> ah ok
[01:07] <ikonia> I did suggest that a few lines up
[01:07] <davidm_> I have a simple question, for others at least. :)
[01:07] <ikonia> install using the alt
[01:07] <ikonia> then fix your system once its installed
[01:08] <davidm_> Any takers?
[01:08] <davidm_> I'll go ahead and ask.
[01:08] <ikonia> davidm_: ask
[01:09] <davidm_> I had a Debian install that got screwed up. backpotrts and whatnto screwed up the GUI. I now have a Kubuntu install andf want to access all the data files on the previous install. Bios is ok. What do i type in Konquerer to change drives.
[01:10] <davidm_> Hard drives are jumpered right.
[01:10] <Sanne> phobiac: does 'dpkg -l kate' tell you something suspicious?
[01:10] <ikonia> what has the bios got to do with it ?
[01:10] <ikonia> you need to mount the partition
[01:10] <ikonia> that your old debian install was on
[01:10] <davidm_> BIOS shows both hard drives.
[01:10] <ikonia> then just browse the file system
[01:10] <davidm_> old Debian install is 2nd drive.
[01:10] <davidm_> master drive is Kubuntu
[01:10] <phobiac> Sanne: Yeah, it does
[01:10] <ikonia> mount the second drive
[01:10] <ikonia> then browse the file system
[01:10] <Sanne> phobiac: what's the last line it prints?
[01:11] <davidm_> I am at a loss to what to type. //? HDB?
[01:11] <phobiac> [01:11] <phobiac> ii  kate           3.5.5-0ubuntu3 advanced text editor for KDE
[01:11] <davidm_> HDA is the master
[01:11] <ikonia> davidm_: "mount"
[01:11] <ikonia> or "man mount"
[01:11] <phobiac> This part is odd though
[01:11] <phobiac> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[01:11] <phobiac> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[01:11] <SnDPhoenix> hey while i install my kubuntu, i have to mount my swap and /usr and /root, well do i need to moun tmy windows partition, or should i leave it alone?
[01:11] <Sanne> phobiac: no, that seems ok, just like mine. So it doesn't seem to be dpkg's issue.
[01:12] <davidm_> mount what?
[01:12] <davidm_> mount hdb?
[01:12] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you won't need to mount /usr and /root - the installer should do that, (why have /root on a seperate partition"
[01:12] <ikonia> davidm_: mount the second disk
[01:12] <davidm_> I am in Konguerer with a / in the URL line.
[01:12] <ikonia> you can't do it from knoqueror
[01:12] <ikonia> you need to mount it
[01:12] <phobiac> It seems like an issue of using aptitude to install a package, then when that or a related in any way package gets removed all related packages get marked for "autoremove"ing in apt-get.
[01:12] <ikonia> then browser the file system in konqueror
[01:12] <davidm_> yah, easy enough to say, but the specifics I dont know.
[01:12] <Sanne> phobiac: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy kate' to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[01:12] <ikonia> davidm_: man mount
[01:12] <davidm_> man mount
[01:13] <davidm_> In a terminal?
[01:13] <ikonia> yes
[01:13] <dsmith_> hmmmm for some reason I cannot install automatix2
[01:13] <phobiac> Sanne: I think I might have found the issue. Apparently just letting them remove and then installing the packages again should leave the system okay.
[01:14] <phobiac> However I have to double-check and make sure the packages it wants to remove aren't important to the system working. :D
[01:14] <Sanne> phobiac: I think so too. So we guess it has to do with some installations through aptitude, huh?
[01:14] <davidm_> Oh i see, So Just plugging in the hard drive and booting isnt enough
[01:14] <Sanne> phobiac: if you want, you can paste the list of packages to remove to the pastebin, I can look.
[01:15] <ikonia> davidm_: thats right
[01:15] <davidm_> great
[01:15] <phobiac> Sanne: I might have installed something with aptitude and forgotten I did...although I have no idea what I installed with it that is connected to all these packages.
[01:15] <phobiac> Sanne: I'll do that, thank you for the help.
[01:15] <davidm_> While I have been pushing linux on strangers in the grocery line for years.  I should be able to add a secondary drive, make sure the bios is good, and then boot up and access the files without jumping though hoops
[01:16] <ikonia> no just some
[01:16] <SnDPhoenix> damn
[01:16] <Sanne> phobiac: you could try to look in /var/log
[01:16] <ikonia> 1 command is not jumping through hoops
[01:17] <ikonia> in the same way you have to assign a drive letter in windows
[01:17] <davidm_> Incorrect, you don't need to add a drive letter in windows. It will do so automatically, you CAN change it if you want.
[01:17] <ikonia> not in all cases
[01:17] <phobiac> Sanne: IT's a long list but here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37662/
[01:18] <bgsteffens> eh lol
[01:18] <Sanne> phobiac: I'll check it, sec.
[01:18] <ikonia> 1 command is hardley jumping through hoops
[01:18] <bgsteffens> unless that command is
[01:18] <bgsteffens> sudo jump through --hoop
[01:18] <ikonia> and more often than not ubuntu will see the disk and put it under the places tab
[01:18] <SnDPhoenix> actually you mean, partition not drive
[01:19] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: no - I mean drive
[01:19] <davidm_> Well, if you don't know the command it is.
[01:19] <davidm_> And does mounting it work once or do i need to edit some ety file?
[01:19] <SnDPhoenix> do you mean the drives you acces when you goto my computer, if so those are partitions
[01:19] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: we are not talking about windows
[01:20] <ikonia> davidm_: thats the same in any os, and as I said most of the time ubuntu will do it for you
[01:20] <Sanne> phobiac: oh... that looks like most of the kubuntu desktop. I wouldn't dare to let all those be removed, to be honest.  If it were installed with aptitude, and then uninstalled, all the dependencies might get removed also. So yes, I would install it.
[01:22] <Dr_willis> what 'is' a desktop.. its just another group of programs
[01:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:22] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: its just a package name
[01:22] <Dr_willis> 'the zen of linux'
[01:22] <phobiac> Sanne: I'll try that
[01:22] <SnDPhoenix> sheesh, i should just stfu, i keep thinking of windows
[01:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> 'this is not your grandmothers OS'
[01:23] <SnDPhoenix> lol
[01:23] <crimson> i followed the upgrade directions in the topic link, but i'm still 6.06. any insight?
[01:23] <davidm_> Well thanks for the tip. Guess Ill log out and read th man file. So much for using irc....
[01:24] <phobiac> Dr_willis: My grandmother worked at IBM
[01:24] <ikonia> davidm_: why the sarcasm ?
[01:24] <ikonia> I told you the command ?
[01:24] <davidm_> mount hdb?>
[01:24] <SnDPhoenix> maybelol, phobiac
[01:24] <SnDPhoenix> wtf
[01:24] <ikonia> ?
[01:24] <SnDPhoenix> a maybe posted in my post
[01:24] <davidm_> the dsecond drive is B I think, but that doesnt do anything
[01:25] <ikonia> read the man page
[01:25] <Dr_willis> time to do some reading up on Linux FUNdamentals. :)
[01:25] <ikonia> then you'll understand how mount works
[01:25] <Fleebailey33> i must of booted kubuntu dapper a good 30 times because it failed to initilized either network or hardware driver. related im assuming.
[01:25] <phobiac> Sanne: Hmmm, now apt-get autoremove still trys to get me to uninstall some packages, but not nearly as many.
[01:25] <Sanne> Dr_willis: grandmother is not a synonym for "challenged computer user".
[01:25] <Fleebailey33> how do i future prevent this?
[01:25] <davidm_> yah, Ill switch back to my winders system for now.
[01:25] <Dr_willis> a hard drive would be like 'hda1, hdb1, hdb4, and so on'
[01:25] <SnDPhoenix> theres nothing fun about linux, its all work
[01:25] <crimson> until you make it work for you
[01:25] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  You are confused. :)
[01:25] <Sanne> phobiac: how do you try to install it? with apt-get?
[01:25] <ikonia> Dr_willis: I didn't know you where a kubuntu user
[01:26] <Dr_willis> I use everything and anything. :)
[01:26] <davidm_> ecit
[01:26] <davidm_> exit
[01:26] <crimson> gotta do a slash before exit
[01:26] <Dr_willis> heh
[01:26] <SnDPhoenix> lol
[01:26] <Dr_willis> slash exit
[01:26] <ikonia> I love it when people try to guilt people into help
[01:26] <Dr_willis> dident work..
[01:26] <ikonia> "please help
[01:26] <ikonia> "read the man page"
[01:26] <crimson> or quit
[01:27] <ikonia> "I guess i'll go back to windows then......"
[01:27] <phobiac> Sanne: I used adept to install the kubuntu-desktop package. However now apt-get in the command line doesn't try to make me get rid of some of the more important looking packages. They are mostly lib's that seem to be connected with gnome. I used to have gnome before switching to kde, this might be part of the problem.
[01:27] <SnDPhoenix> whats wrong with viruses, other than a few bsods, spyware and adware to worry about along with all of the crashes, windows is a beautiful OS
[01:28] <SnDPhoenix> *windows
[01:28] <RoKFiT> when can kubuntu-ers expect a new sound kernel?
[01:28] <ikonia> sound kernel ?
[01:28] <RoKFiT> sound driver
[01:28] <ikonia> depends what driver you're looking for
[01:28] <Dr_willis> 'locked out themableity to force 'brand recgonition' is good'
[01:28] <Sanne> phobiac: hmmm, then you could try to also (re?)install ubuntu-desktop. Maybe then you won't have to uninstall anything.
[01:28] <phobiac> SnDPhoenix: You forget the limits on what you can do with your own OS, and the spyware that comes with the system.
[01:28] <RoKFiT> NVidia CK804
[01:29] <ikonia> no idea, its an nvidia driver
[01:29] <SnDPhoenix> i was being sarcastic phobiac
[01:29] <ikonia> check it out at nvidia.com
[01:29] <phobiac> Sanne: The packages look safe to remove, I'll just keep a list of them in case I have issues in the future.
[01:29] <dsmith_> how do I change permissions toa external usb drive?
[01:29] <phobiac> SnD: So was I :P
[01:29] <dsmith_> and make them stick?
[01:29] <SnDPhoenix> lol
[01:29] <ikonia> dsmith_: I though you'd gone back to windows
[01:29] <ikonia> dsmith_: udev rules
[01:29] <Sanne> phobiac: shouldn't I have a look first?
[01:29] <dsmith_> no
[01:30] <phobiac> Although those are real issues I have with the Os..
[01:30] <ikonia> you exited going back to windows.....
[01:30] <phobiac> I'll stick them in pastebin Sanne
[01:30] <ikonia> ooh no, that was david
[01:30] <dsmith_> im on my kubuntu laptop
[01:30] <ikonia> sorry dsmith_my mistake
[01:30] <ikonia> dsmith_: udev rules
[01:30] <Sanne> phobiac: ok
[01:30] <ikonia> that will change the device permissions
[01:30] <ikonia> file system permissions handled by chown
[01:30] <ikonia> or chmod
[01:30] <phobiac> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37664/
[01:31] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, one thing i do like better about windows, the support for games,(im a gamer) and all the apps out there, (im a software junkie)
[01:31] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: games, well unlucky. App, there are tons of applications on linux
[01:31] <crimson> theres a lot of apps for linux
[01:31] <SnDPhoenix> yes, but not the apps i "like"
[01:31] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I'll agree with you on the games, but linux excells at software...except for antivirus, I think windows has more options there
[01:32] <dsmith_> i have installed vmware player and workstation on this machine
[01:32] <crimson> thats because you don't know these apps
[01:32] <dsmith_> and installed xp and win2003
[01:32] <larson9999> no tv here so i'm using a tv tuner.  the problem is the sound makes a humming sound :(
[01:32] <SnDPhoenix> for example, i cant use Adobe Photoshop on linux
[01:32] <Agent_bob> how to force udev=0 ?
[01:32] <SnDPhoenix> i have to use the GIMP
[01:32] <crimson> but you can use GIMP
[01:32] <RoKFiT> ikonia: are there nvidia sound drivers in the repos?
[01:32] <max_> when i try to start Add/Remove Programs it says <Another process is using the packaging system database> but i dont have another going, or adept or anything lie that
[01:32] <ikonia> not that I'm aware of
[01:32] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: photoshop is closed source
[01:33] <ikonia> only a few closed source applications exist
[01:33] <RoKFiT> then how do i get rid of this popping?
[01:33] <ikonia> if you don't want that, don't use linux
[01:33] <Agent_bob> crimson any way to totally remove all udev from ubuntu ?
[01:33] <ikonia> Agent_bob: thats a massive task
[01:33] <crimson> im not an admin
[01:33] <ikonia> use MakeDev
[01:33] <matthew> ikonia, you're not helping
[01:33] <crimson> im here for help too
[01:33] <SnDPhoenix> i know, but i cant use it on linux, wish that WINE, supports photoshop (does it)
[01:33] <ikonia> then disable udev
[01:33] <matthew> rofkit, what popping?
[01:33] <phobiac> Using GIMP for me is like falling off a cliff in a truckbed full of nails. I guess I'm just too lazy to learn how to use it properly though.
[01:33] <matthew> I'll help you
[01:33] <max_> SnDPhoenix: wine does support it
[01:33] <ikonia> - I'd just disable udev rather then remove it
[01:33] <ikonia> matthew: how - in what way am I not helping
[01:33] <ikonia> I've explained tons ?
[01:34] <Agent_bob> crimson oh.   ok what is your question   if it's not already answered ?
[01:34] <matthew> ikonia, to me, it doesn't look like "If you don't like it, leave it" is help to rofkit
[01:34] <Sanne> phobiac: the *-dev packages are safe to remove, those are development headers needed to compile stuff, but not essential to the system. The rest seem to be gnome related, but some I don't know. libgdl, for example. But if you are unsure, look them up at packages.ubuntu.com.
[01:34] <SnDPhoenix> oh sweet, then i can use photoshop on likux :), @phobiac, you think GIMP is hard, try photoshop
[01:34] <ikonia> that wasn't to rofkit
[01:34] <matthew> ok, my bad
[01:34] <ikonia> that was to SnDPhoenix who was complaining about a lack of closed source applications on linux
[01:34] <matthew> Rofkit, what can I help you with?
[01:34] <Agent_bob> ikonia massive ?
[01:34] <matthew> ikonia, I'm sorry.
[01:35] <ikonia> the sound drivers, I said I have no idea about them being in the repo
[01:35] <ikonia> matthew: no problem
[01:35] <phobiac> Sanne: Thanks for all your help. I'll look up the ones I can't tell are gnome related.
[01:35] <ikonia> Agent_bob: yes, removing udev is quite a complex process
[01:35] <ikonia> I'd disable it, and use MakeDEV
[01:35] <ikonia> however, I wouldn't actually do that
[01:35] <ikonia> because udev is the future
[01:35] <Agent_bob> ikonia is there no switch for the kernel ?
[01:35] <ikonia> so stick with it
[01:35] <ikonia> Agent_bob: no
[01:35] <ikonia> udev starts at boot time
[01:35] <max_> when i try to start Add/Remove Programs it says <Another process is using the packaging system database> but i dont have another going, or adept or anything like that, anyone know how to fix this
[01:35] <phobiac> SnD: I'm used to Paint Shop Pro though, so that could be part of the problem.
[01:36] <ikonia> max_: did you do sudo
[01:36] <ikonia> before the command
[01:36] <max_> ikonia: im not in a terminal, im using the "Add/Remove Programs" in the K Menu
[01:36] <Sanne> phobiac: I just found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/69148 and this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAutoRemove. Reading now.
[01:36] <Agent_bob> ikonia yes i know that.   with devfs there was devfs=nomount    do you mean they didn't include anything like that at all for disabling it ?
[01:36] <ikonia> Hmmmm not sure, 'm not big with kde
[01:37] <ikonia> Agent_bob: no, not really
[01:37] <SnDPhoenix> you like gnome better?
[01:37] <ikonia> i know what you're after but it doesn't really exist
[01:37] <Agent_bob> hmmm then i guess i'll make a new kernel.
[01:37] <ikonia> as its not like udev/devfs comparisions
[01:37] <dsmith_> ok i am in udev rules.d
[01:37] <ikonia> Agent_bob: how come remove udev ?
[01:37] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: not really
[01:38] <Sanne> phobiac: "There is a new apt-mark utility available as well. It can be used to "markauto" or "unmarkauto" packages. This functionality can also be found in the latest synaptic."
[01:38] <Agent_bob> cause i dont want it.   it's too much trubble.
[01:38] <dsmith_> i done se anything in the folders where it mentions my usb drive
[01:38] <ikonia> really, its always worked like a swiss clock for me
[01:38] <ikonia> what sort of problems
[01:38] <Agent_bob> static devices work much smoother for me.
[01:38] <ikonia> fair enough
[01:38] <ikonia> dsmith_: usb are treated like a scsi device
[01:39] <Agent_bob> thanks all.   back later.
[01:39] <ikonia> dsmith_: is this a file system or device permission issue
[01:39] <dsmith_> hmmm both?
[01:39] <dsmith_> ok..
[01:39] <ikonia> dsmith_: are you sure
[01:39] <phobiac> Sanne: I'll keep that in mind next time autoremove does this to me if it ever does. Hopefully that will fix the issue in the future.
[01:39] <ikonia> whats the actual problem
[01:39] <dsmith_> i cannot save to my usb device
[01:39] <phobiac> For now autoremove doesn't want to remove anything. Which is good. :)
[01:39] <dsmith_> lol phobiac
[01:39] <notech> dsmith_: can you read it?
[01:39] <dsmith_> sure
[01:40] <dsmith_> yes I can read it
[01:40] <ikonia> ok - so its not device issues
[01:40] <ikonia> its just file system issues
[01:40] <Sanne> phobiac: Ok. This is indeed a documentation bug also reported in launchapd. Good to know. Good luck to you! :)
[01:40] <dsmith_> ok ikonia
[01:40] <notech> dsmith_: what file system is on it?
[01:40] <dsmith_> the usb drive?
[01:40] <dsmith_> fat
[01:40] <ikonia> where is it mounted ?
[01:40] <phobiac> Ha, you guys might get a kick out of this if you haven't already seen it. http://grox.net/doc/unix/unix_shell_humor.html
[01:40] <ikonia>  /media ?
[01:41] <notech> sounds like it was mounted reado only, or root access only
[01:41] <ikonia> notech: agreed
[01:41] <linx-> not sure whether this can be answered here, but i have a problem with X.org.. my windows are being redrawn very slowly (for instance during window dragging, resizing).. also when a chat roll would get too long new messages would create a visible lag in the redrawing of chat roll
[01:41] <dsmith_> yes /media
[01:41] <phobiac> Sanne: Thanks again for all the help.
[01:41] <Sanne> phobiac: you're welcome
[01:41] <ikonia> linx-: what video card and xorg driver are you using
[01:41] <notech> dsmith_: can you write to it as root or sudo?
[01:42] <ikonia> dsmith_: can you put the output of "mount" and ls -la /media into a pastebin please
[01:42] <linx-> ikonia: onboard video chip.. sec
[01:42] <dsmith_> i have to go now, but I will try that when I get back
[01:43] <dsmith_> it was ~4 mins
[01:43] <dsmith_> :P
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Linux Basics Worked for me!
[01:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:43] <Fleebailey33> why do people seem to only ask about video cards in a kubuntu channel?
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Linux BootCamp for all you slackers!
[01:43] <SnDPhoenix> geez, how long you guys been using linux? i dont know 90% of what you guys are saying.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> heh
[01:43] <Fleebailey33> #kubuntuvideocardsforloosers
[01:43] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  thats what 'reading' is all about. :)
[01:43] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I think that we all know a little bit, but about different things
[01:44] <Dr_willis> what i dont know... i know how to go 'learn' :)
[01:44] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, guess ill have to use linux for a while, although i have the tendency to go back to windows
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> should i restart after edgy dist-upgrade from dapper?
[01:44] <ikonia> oooh yes
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> or can i just log out log back in
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> or neither ?
[01:44] <ikonia> reboot
[01:44] <ikonia> new kenel
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> for a while at least
[01:44] <ikonia> kernel
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> i figured
[01:44] <ikonia> amongst other thing
[01:45] <SnDPhoenix> how can i stop myself from going back to windows :(
[01:45] <Fleebailey33> dual boot
[01:45] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: don't stop youself
[01:45] <ikonia> if you like it better, use it
[01:45] <ikonia> there is no shame in it
[01:45] <ikonia> it doesn't make you "leet" using linux
[01:45] <phobiac> SnD: What's the biggest issue you have with Linux? Gaming?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Games are for the Weak.
[01:45] <linx-> ikonia: 'integrated graphics' (according to moth board manufacteror) and X11 (vesa driver)
[01:45] <Fleebailey33> ikonia: im having trouble with network at startup
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> any ideas?
[01:46] <SnDPhoenix> yes, but i want to use linux, i am tired of all these fucking crashes, and error, and having to use 3 security apps to keep me safe
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> cant configure network at startup in dapper
[01:46] <ikonia> linuxwizard: need more detail than that
[01:46] <fnord5> gameing works fine for me
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> in edgy will it be better?
[01:46] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: language please
[01:46] <ikonia> Fleebailey33: need more details
[01:46] <SnDPhoenix> oh, sorry
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> thats why im afriad to restart
[01:46] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I would use windows, but use linux as a side project until you get the hang of it!
[01:46] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: linux will crash just as much if you can't use it
[01:46] <SnDPhoenix> true, i thought the same thing
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> it hangs at config network
[01:46] <ikonia> most crashes are down to users not being able to use the OS
[01:46] <phobiac> SnD: I've never used it, but apparently the majority of windows-only games can be run well with cedega.
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> 98% of the time
[01:47] <Dr_willis> if you cant use it... heh ...
[01:47] <ikonia> so don't blame the OS  - learn to use the OS
[01:47] <phobiac> I think it's spelt cedega anyway..
[01:47] <Fleebailey33> this is the 2%
[01:47] <SnDPhoenix> whats cedega
[01:47] <fnord5> cedaga and wine works awsome
[01:47] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: don't look at it yet
[01:47] <Dr_willis> !cedega
[01:47] <ikonia> forget you saw that
[01:47] <Ubotwo> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[01:47] <phobiac> It's like wine, but for gaming.
[01:47] <phobiac> ^
[01:47] <ikonia> you don't need to kno about cedaga
[01:47] <SnDPhoenix> ahh, ok, lol, maybe it will run bf2142
[01:47] <Fleebailey33> ikonia: i know we just talked talked about this but brb
[01:47] <Fleebailey33> its chancucka
[01:48] <Fleebailey33> got to light candles
[01:48] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: use windows
[01:48] <SnDPhoenix> wtf! lol, dont you mean hanakuh
[01:48] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: any chance you can watch the language
[01:48] <ikonia> I don't need to see "fuck" or "wtf" every other line
[01:48] <SnDPhoenix> what did i say?
[01:48] <fnord5> i suck at linux but its all i run
[01:49] <phobiac> SnD: The only issue you might have with Linux is setting up your video card properly. I know mine wasn't too much fun to get working when I ventured into setting up Xgl with beryl
[01:49] <Fleebailey33> ikonia: back
[01:49] <SnDPhoenix> well w t f isnt a "bad" word
[01:49] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: - it is
[01:49] <ikonia> please don't use it
[01:49] <SnDPhoenix> ok, ill stop
[01:49] <ikonia> I don't need to see it every other line from you
[01:49] <Dr_willis> Xgl/Beryl is very much expermental...  so thats not a good example. heh
[01:50] <sorush21> hi automount is not working on my comouter..
[01:50] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Yeah but my video card wasn't working at all when it came to 3d before that.
[01:50] <sorush21> computer
[01:50] <ikonia> sorush21: details please
[01:50] <phobiac> It's fun have Xgl/Beryl now though...although my laptop's fan running constantly gets annoying.
[01:51] <phobiac> fun to have*
[01:51] <SnDPhoenix> ohh, wow, hooray, i just lost all my active tabs in FF, (sarcasm)
[01:52] <larson9999> don't eat the beef tacos before the chicken
[01:52] <larson9999> the other way around
[01:52] <SnDPhoenix> who eats chicken tacos?
[01:52] <phobiac> SnD: If you want any one reason to see why linux can be worth it, Xgl with Beryl is that. Assuming you have a new enough computer to handle it.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> 'eye candy - always a good reason'
[01:52] <ikonia> you don't need to see compiz
[01:52] <SnDPhoenix> what is Xgl Beryl
[01:53] <phobiac> !Xgl
[01:53] <Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:53] <phobiac> !Beryl
[01:53] <Ubotwo> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:53] <Dr_willis> Fancy desktop effects...
[01:53] <ikonia> ignore those links
[01:53] <Dr_willis> heh
[01:53] <larson9999> heck, there are tons of reasons linux is worth it.  eye candy is at the bottom of my list
[01:53] <Dr_willis> larson9999,  i agree there
[01:53] <ikonia> Dr_willis: do you linger in apache ?
[01:53] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, it seems security should be 1st priority
[01:53] <phobiac> However eyecandy is always a good way to invite people into the linux world.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> I got my Linux MythTV box set up now.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> ikonia,  nope.
[01:54] <SnDPhoenix> i did
[01:54] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you did what ?
[01:54] <Dr_willis> Invite them for the wrong reasons.. :) Like all the girls standing outside strip joints...
[01:54] <ikonia> Dr_willis: I have you confused with someone else - sorry
[01:54] <SnDPhoenix> use apache
[01:54] <ikonia> I didn't ask if anyone used it
[01:54] <phobiac> SnD: Try googling xgl for some video's if you want to see what it's capable of.
[01:54] <ikonia> compiz is not for you
[01:55] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, or search youtube for them as well
[01:55] <ikonia> get your video card working first
[01:55] <SnDPhoenix> or i could just check youtube
[01:55] <ikonia> learn the basics
[01:55] <ikonia> don't look at cool stuff until you can use it basiclly first
[01:55] <SnDPhoenix> i will, but then im jumping into action
[01:55] <ikonia> as you'll only try to jump the gun
[01:55] <max_> !crossover
[01:55] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that, and package searching is not available - try http://packages.ubuntu.com and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[01:55] <phobiac> Dr_willis: You have to remember, most people who have used windows for most of their computer life don't care too much about security or the things we do. Show them something shiny and cool and they'll get interested.
[01:55] <SnDPhoenix> so is Xgl like the like the linux version of windowblinds?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  i dont want to get them interested for those reasons...
[01:56] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  windowblinds is just a hack/gimmic. :)
[01:56] <larson9999> Dr_willis: i want strip joints girls inviting me in for the 'wrong' reason.
[01:56] <Dr_willis> larson9999,  yea! darn them!
[01:56] <SnDPhoenix> so larson999 can talk like that but i cant say w_t_f
[01:56] <Dr_willis> theres several Live cd's out that show off the XGL/Beryl Features
[01:57] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: larson9999 isn't using offensive language
[01:57] <ikonia> that I've seen
[01:57] <SnDPhoenix> oh no, hes just being sexual
[01:57] <larson9999> i have my moments
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> Setting up initramfs-tools (0.69ubuntu20) ...
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-amd64-generic
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> cp: cannot stat `/etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules': No such file or directory
[01:57] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Ah but eyecandy is a good way to "trick" people into using a safer OS like Linux.
[01:57] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: just deal with it, I was fed up of seeing offensive language every other line of you, so I asked you to stop
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> will that be a problem
[01:57] <ikonia> thats all
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> in upgrading to edgy?
[01:58] <SnDPhoenix> i know, im fine with it, have i said anything else
[01:58] <fnord5> been trying to get my xgl stuff working for a few days
[01:58] <Fleebailey33> sorry i didn't mean to copy that much
[01:58] <fnord5> what is beryl exactly?
[01:58] <ikonia> yes, you've just been bitching that someone else is not getting told off
[01:58] <Dr_willis> I find it easier to do a reinstall - then upgrade
[01:58] <SnDPhoenix> oh no, you cant get Xgl, omg, i wonder what im gonna think when i see it
[01:58] <ikonia> Fleebailey33: looks like your initrd is out of sync with your kernel
[01:58] <phobiac> fnord5: As far as I know it's like compiz, but a replacement for it.
[01:58] <Fleebailey33> how bad?
[01:58] <Fleebailey33> will it boot?
[01:58] <ikonia> fnord5: it is a fork of compiz
[01:58] <ikonia> so to speak
[01:58] <SnDPhoenix> !compiz
[01:58] <Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:59] <ikonia> Fleebailey33: depends if your system needs anything out of initrd
[01:59] <ikonia> but it probably will
[01:59] <ikonia> will boot that is
[01:59] <Fleebailey33> im dual booting btw
[01:59] <ikonia> ???
[01:59] <ikonia> windows doesn't effect linux booting
[01:59] <SnDPhoenix> hey is xgl part of compiz or is it seperate
[01:59] <Fleebailey33> contrary
[01:59] <ikonia> seperate
[01:59] <Fleebailey33> long story
[01:59] <fnord5> !compiz
[01:59] <Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:00] <ikonia> we've just seen that link 3 times in under aminute
[02:00] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you posted the link - read it
[02:00] <phobiac> Ikonia: A fresh install of windows can mess with grub though.
[02:00] <ikonia> phobiac: totally
[02:00] <ikonia> but he's got grub - its the init scripts that are hanging
[02:00] <larson9999> i guess when i do give it a try, i'll pick beryl for this reason: Uses flat file backend instead of gconf meaning almost no gnome dependency.
[02:00] <ikonia> windows can't touch them
[02:00] <fnord5> what kind of eyecandy dosent use xgl?
[02:01] <max_> AIGLX
[02:01] <ikonia> fnord5: loads of options
[02:01] <SnDPhoenix> doesnt that only happen if you install windows after linux
[02:01] <ikonia> none as adance
[02:01] <phobiac> SnD: Yeah
[02:01] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: what does ?
[02:01] <SnDPhoenix> screw with grub
[02:01] <ikonia> yes we know that
[02:01] <Dr_willis> !grub
[02:01] <Ubotwo> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:01] <SnDPhoenix> i know what grub is
[02:02] <SnDPhoenix> btw i just use acronis os selector, it is "prettier"
[02:02] <fnord5> an ubot google stuff?
[02:02] <fnord5> can ubot*
[02:02] <max_> SnDPhoenix: whats your problem with grub? i recently had problems with it
[02:02] <Agent_bob> hmmm i got it to work.   strange tho  as was pointed out udev is still in the kernel and according to cat /proc/mounts is still mounted "udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0
[02:02] <SnDPhoenix> i dont have probs with grub
[02:02] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: well thats going to mess up
[02:02] <Agent_bob> but when i look in /dev it's the static device nodes.
[02:03] <ikonia> if you don't use grub for booting ubuntu updates will mess up
[02:03] <SnDPhoenix> really, it didnt before
[02:03] <ikonia> should do, if grub does a kernel update
[02:03] <ikonia> oops if ubuntu does a kernel update
[02:04] <Agent_bob> ikonia mess up ?
[02:04] <sorush21> details.. whell I put my cd into the drive and I can't see any popups
[02:04] <SnDPhoenix> so kubuntu's safe, it should be because updates worked for me
[02:04] <Agent_bob> or just not default to the new kernel ?
[02:04] <ikonia> yes, if you're not using grub and ubuntu does an update, its not going ot know how to update the menu.lst
[02:04] <ikonia> or the lilo.conf
[02:04] <SnDPhoenix> @sorush did you boot from the disc
[02:05] <ikonia> unless ubuntu has a acronis package
[02:05] <SnDPhoenix> i had to seperately install it so no, it is included with ubuntu
[02:06] <ikonia> be careful doing kernel updates
[02:06] <sorush21> SnDPhoenix: no not really
[02:06] <sorush21> how do you mean?
[02:06] <Fleebailey33> well that was an easy reboot of edgy
[02:06] <Fleebailey33> booth kernal showed up in grub...hmm
[02:06] <SnDPhoenix> doesnt ubuntu and kubuntu include an uodater that updates for you
[02:06] <SnDPhoenix> like Vista
[02:06] <ikonia> yes, but only packages it knows about
[02:06] <ikonia> and it doesn't know about acronis
[02:07] <ikonia> so it won't update it with new kerneles
[02:07] <Agent_bob> i am forced to use lilo here because of hardware usage   and you are correct one must update lilo if they want a new kernel to boot.  but there is no or very little danger that the system wont boot unless the new kernel uses the exact name of the existing kernel   which it shouldn't.
[02:07] <SnDPhoenix> damn, well is it even worth updating the kernel
[02:07] <ikonia> yes, very much so
[02:07] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  the apt packaging system does all the updates
[02:07] <delight> I
[02:08] <ikonia> more so as you made the bold statment that "security is your primary reason for using linux"
[02:08] <delight> I've got a kubuntu edgy system that i checked with nmap ... and i found 904/tcp  open  unknown <<< can somebody tell me what that service might be running on port 904
[02:08] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, Willis said that the apt packaging does it for me
[02:08] <Dr_willis> go read up on apt-get and the other tools...
[02:08] <ikonia> it will, but if it doesn't know about your boot loader - it won't update it
[02:09] <SnDPhoenix> maybe i could tell it about acronis somehow
[02:09] <Agent_bob> hmmm Q if security is preiminant then shouldn't one be using an se kernel   and if so the updates are less frequent are they not ?
[02:09] <ikonia> Agent_bob: very true if its a real issue, rather than someone making random statments
[02:10] <SnDPhoenix> so kernel updates security, not really functionallity
[02:10] <ikonia> both
[02:10] <angasule> what ftp server works out of the box? I just want to share a couple of files with ftp and nothing seems to even *start*
[02:11] <SnDPhoenix> hey, dumb q
[02:11] <SnDPhoenix> s it true that there is NO virus fo linux, surely someone has to be able to create a virus or script or something.
[02:11] <ikonia> there are virus
[02:11] <ikonia> just not as many and not as easy to infect
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Google knows all...
[02:11] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, there are, but they are very hard to successfully install
[02:11] <SnDPhoenix> why though?
[02:11] <phobiac> angasule: I think there's an easy way to set up a temporary ftp server with kubuntu.
[02:11] <phobiac> Let me look into it real quick.
[02:11] <angasule> phobiac: how?
[02:11] <ikonia> why what ?
[02:12] <angasule> phobiac: thanks
[02:12] <Agent_bob> it's been a while but the last time i checked there were 5 known virii that would/could infect native linux
[02:12] <SnDPhoenix> does everything require user attention, so you could easily deny a virus from running or something like that
[02:12] <ikonia> there are more, but they are directed differently
[02:12] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, in order to be installed, the user must be aware of it, I think...
[02:13] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, like requires attention
[02:13] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, yup
[02:13] <ikonia> matthew: thats true, but there are a few virus that are initiated from say a mail inject for sendmail (as an example)
[02:13] <angasule> proftp tries to use ipv6 for some stupid reason
[02:13] <ikonia> thats not really a linux specific but as sendmail is common on a unix based OS,
[02:13] <SnDPhoenix> whereas on windows if you run something, process can start running in the background and automatically
[02:13] <ikonia> well you know where I'm going
[02:13] <matthew> ikonia, yeah, I'm not well versed on those, so I didn't mention them.
[02:13] <pacman__> is there an equalizer I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[02:13] <ikonia> I've only delt with a few
[02:13] <SnDPhoenix> viruses?
[02:13] <ikonia> most things like sendmail will be well maintained
[02:13] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  things ran by the user,, run at user level priviliges.. thus preventing them from doing specific things.
[02:14] <phobiac> angasule: I've no idea how to properly use it, but there's an applet you can add to your kde toolbar that is called "Public File Server"
[02:14] <phobiac> !Public file server
[02:14] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that, and package searching is not available - try http://packages.ubuntu.com and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:14] <matthew> ikonia, I've never ever got a virus using linux...
[02:14] <ikonia> I've never had one on any os
[02:14] <SnDPhoenix> so im guessing you should never run as root right?
[02:14] <Dr_willis> the only Linux viruses ive seen are just 'proof of concepts'
[02:14] <ikonia> I have seen some boxes attacked though
[02:14] <Dr_willis> !root
[02:14] <Ubotwo> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:15] <SnDPhoenix> why keep typin !whateverisay
[02:15] <Agent_bob> SnDPhoenix that's the *buntu creed
[02:15] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you did it !
[02:15] <SnDPhoenix> do Dr did
[02:15] <ikonia> and he's showing you the command that prevents things from being run as root
[02:15] <pacman__> anyone?
[02:15] <ikonia> you can read up on it from the link
[02:15] <Agent_bob> ikonia ?
[02:15] <ikonia> pacman: what ?
[02:15] <SnDPhoenix> yeah i know, sudo runs as root
[02:15] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, because when you precede anything with a !, ubotu will provide info on it.
[02:16] <phobiac> angasule: That help you any?
[02:16] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
 and he's showing you the command that prevents things from being run as root <<< ?   talking about sudo ?
[02:16] <SnDPhoenix> i know, i meant why does everybody take everything i say and show me what it means
[02:16] <ikonia> yeah, bad wording
[02:16] <andy__> is this a good place to ask a packages question?
[02:16] <Agent_bob> hehhe ok.
[02:16] <matthew> andy__, go for it
[02:16] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: because you give that impression
[02:16] <andy__> i need the "libjvm.so" library
[02:16] <ikonia> JVM
[02:16] <ikonia> java Virtual Machine
[02:17] <matthew> andy__, ok...have you tried the repositories?
[02:17] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, im not proficiant with linux, but i still know some things
[02:17] <andy__> i searched packages.ubuntu.com ...
[02:17] <phobiac> Oh god java, I can't even get that set up properly. :(
[02:17] <matthew> It's easier to assume that people know nothing. It's easier to teach them that way.
[02:17] <andy__> the result said sun-java5-bin or j2re1.4
[02:17] <SnDPhoenix> i guess so matthew
[02:17] <Dr_willis> You learn more by reading, then by chatting.
[02:17] <mikes1> Anyone help me with a "passphrase" issue?
[02:17] <andy__> however, these packages are not available to me
[02:17] <Agent_bob> SnDPhoenix root jr.   is the ubuntu way.
[02:18] <matthew> andy__, h/o
[02:18] <Dr_willis> plus those links have a LOT of extra info.
[02:18] <andy__> how do i search for repositories for the packages i need?
[02:18] <SnDPhoenix> yeah i guess so, just forget what i said
[02:18] <ikonia> andy__: apt-cache search $name
[02:19] <matthew> andy__, sudo apt-cache search name_of_package
[02:19] <Agent_bob> SnDPhoenix as to what matthew said.  this channel sees more know nothings than the average linux support channel  therefore people that hang out here develope the attitude that everyone that asks a question is totally ignorant.
[02:19] <angasule> phobiac: I found a config utility for proftpd, but when I try to add a user, it says it exists, when I try to modify it, it says it doesn't...
[02:19] <matthew> andy__, to install, do this: sudo apt-get install libjvm.so
[02:20] <matthew> Agent_bob, I'm not dissing on anyone, but it helps in the process, speeds it up.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> after seeing  1000 questions  like  'how do i edit a file'   - one tends to get biased.. :)
[02:20] <SnDPhoenix> oh, i dont have linux running yet so i want to find this out before i install linux, in the past i could NEVER get make or makefile to work, why is that, is it different on ubuntu
[02:20] <matthew> Dr_willis, very true
[02:20] <phobiac> angasule: I'm not too sure how to help you. :/
[02:20] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, you need to install make
[02:20] <angasule> phobiac: solve bug #1
[02:20] <ikonia> you should never need to "make"
[02:20] <ikonia> on ubuntu
[02:20] <Agent_bob> matthew just clarifying the persupposition.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  Linux Live cd's are very good for learning stuff. No install needed.
[02:20] <andy__> apparently none of the repositories in my sources.list contain any repository that has the sun-java5-bin or j2re1.4 package
[02:21] <phobiac> angasule: I don't know much about proftpd, try it's channel.
[02:21] <angasule> phobiac: with bug #1 solved, I wouldn't have to use crappy protocols, bah
[02:21] <matthew> andy__, whoops, sorry...
[02:21] <ikonia> andy__: you need to enable universe repo's
[02:21] <ubuntu> yea
[02:21] <angasule> phobiac: I meant ubuntu's #1 bug ;)
[02:21] <SnDPhoenix> yes, but when i tried to install alien, i had to make the file first(compile it) but i could never get it to work
[02:21] <matthew> andy__, did you include all possible repos? (multiverse, universe, etc...)?
[02:21] <ikonia> from memory its in universe
[02:21] <phobiac> angasule: Oh the user issue? Once again that's beyond me. Sorry.
[02:21] <Sanne> andy__: when you found those packages at packages.ubuntu.com, it also said they are in the multiverse repositories. Check if you have enabled them.
[02:21] <BluesKaj> anyone able to play videos on yahoo ?..using the latest Flashplayer for Linux doesn't work on Ifilm video
[02:22] <andy__> all the available repos in my sources.list file are enabled
[02:22] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis and "where is the start button?"   :)
[02:22] <andy__> therefore, i apparently need to add more respositories?
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  yep.. the phrase 'learn to walk befor you try to run' seems to be lost on many people.
[02:23] <matthew> andy__, not sure about the repos...sorry
[02:23] <Dr_willis> !java
[02:23] <Sanne> andy__: then it needs to find those java packages. What does 'apt-cache search sun-java5-bin' say?
[02:23] <Dr_willis> isent java in the multiverse repo now?
[02:23] <SnDPhoenix> i actually ran before i walked in real life :P
[02:23] <ikonia> you try to run and fall at the first step from what i've seen
[02:23] <matthew> ikonia, be nice.
[02:23] <matthew> please
[02:23] <andy__> apt-cache search comes back empty
[02:23] <SnDPhoenix> lol, which means ppl actually run first, lol
[02:23] <ikonia> just being honest
[02:23] <_kuja_> doc, it has been for a rather long while
[02:24] <SnDPhoenix> he aint being mean
[02:24] <Jucato> andy__: do you have multiverse enabled?
[02:24] <andy__> yes, multiverse is enabled
[02:24] <Agent_bob> andy__ "<matthew> andy__, to install, do this: sudo apt-get install libjvm.so" <<< .so is generally not a package name    try just installing the !jre
[02:25] <Sanne> andy__: then I guess you need to enable more repositories. Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntunl.org?
[02:25] <Jucato> andy__: can you use pastebin to show the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:25] <Jucato> !pastebing | andy__
[02:25] <Agent_bob> !jre
[02:25] <Sanne> Jucato: :)
[02:25] <Jucato> !pastebin | andy__
[02:25] <Jucato> dang typo... )
[02:25] <Agent_bob> bot seems to be down
[02:25] <Jucato> so it seems
[02:25] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that, and package searching is not available - try http://packages.ubuntu.com and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:25] <Ubotwo> andy__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:25] <Dr_willis> It worked! its alive!
[02:26] <SnDPhoenix> lol, no it is dying, so it is crawling real slow
[02:26] <andy__> other than commercial or security, all repos are: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[02:26] <Jucato> I think Ubotwo had to call ubotu to ask what !pastebin is
[02:26] <Jucato> andy__: please pastebin the contents of sources.list?
[02:26] <Agent_bob> Ubotwo jre
[02:26] <Ubotwo> Agent_bob: Error: "jre" is not a valid command.
[02:27] <phobiac> Jucato: Like phone a friend on who wants to be a millionare?
[02:27] <Jucato> heh yeah
[02:27] <Agent_bob> sun-java5-jre
[02:27] <phobiac> Who wants to help a million users
[02:27] <andy__> is there any way to search for repos that contain the package or file that i need?
[02:27] <_kuja_> apt-cache search
[02:27] <ablyss> apt-cache search ...
[02:28] <andy__> perhaps i need to add a repo
[02:28] <Sanne> andy__: we're about to get it sorted for you, but please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list, so we can help you.
[02:28] <Jucato> andy__: for some reason, why don't you want to show us your sources.list so that we could tell you if something is missing or not?
[02:28] <max_> imhaving a problem, in fire fox all my flash is going ontop of everything else, so i cant see drop down menus, there behind the flash...anyone know how to fix
[02:28] <SnDPhoenix> well my alt cd is done, hope it works, *crosses fingers*
[02:29] <andy__> okay, excuse the flood.
[02:29] <Agent_bob> no
[02:29] <Agent_bob> no flood
[02:29] <Jucato> andy__: NO!
[02:29] <Jucato> andy__: pastebin
[02:29] <Agent_bob> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:29] <andy__> pastebin?
[02:29] <Agent_bob> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:29] <Jucato> andy__:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste your sources.list
[02:30] <Jucato> don't paste it in here
[02:30] <Agent_bob> we should have just let him.   it's becomming a bigger flood of explanation.....
[02:30] <andy__> okay, pasted
[02:31] <_kuja_> link?
[02:31] <murchadh_bhaba> Agent_bob, hehe
[02:31] <Agent_bob> now give the url andy__
[02:31] <Jucato> then gives us the URL?
[02:31] <Sanne> andy__: please tell us the url
[02:31] <andy__> okay, pasted at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37670/
[02:31] <andy__> kewl
[02:31] <murchadh_bhaba> Hundreds maimed in the rush to see andy__ 's sources!
[02:31] <Jucato> andy__: you don't have multiverse enabled
[02:32] <Agent_bob> murchadh_bhaba :)
[02:32] <Sanne> andy__: multiverse is only enabled for dapper-backports, not for dapper
[02:32] <Jucato> or rather, you enabled the wrong multiverse repository
[02:32] <RoKFiT> libata and NVidia CK804 are both on IRQ 225 which someone in #alsa believed was causing my audio popping, my question is, can I change the IRQ from within Kubuntu, because it looks like I can't within BIOS.
[02:33] <Jucato> andy__:  this one "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe" should be "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[02:33] <Jucato> (add "multverse" beside "universe")
[02:34] <andy__> ok let me try that
[02:34] <andy__> i tought by just uncommented the line, i was good to go
[02:34] <RoKFiT> Jucato: can you help me?
[02:34] <swim> hey folks
[02:35] <andy__> so, i have to also add "multiverse" as content?
[02:35] <Jucato> RoKFiT: not really... I'm not familiar with sound issues
[02:35] <Sanne> andy__: in line 22, add multiverse after universe
[02:35] <RoKFiT> is anyone?
[02:36] <Agent_bob> RoKFiT don't ask me to delve  but i do believe one can pass args such as irq to the module when inserting it.
[02:37] <RoKFiT> Agent_bob: how would I do this?
[02:37] <RoKFiT> or where can i get information
[02:37] <Agent_bob> RoKFiT look into modprobe and/or learn about kernel modules.
[02:38] <cloakable> andy__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37672/ - you can use my sources.list if you want. It's more compact, and IMO, easier to unserstand.
[02:38] <Agent_bob> best i can and/or am willing to do for you.
[02:39] <cloakable> andy__: Replace edgy with dapper, though.
[02:39] <cloakable> andy__: I completely failed to notice that.
[02:40] <phobiac> Well, bye all.
[02:40] <andy__> cloakable: got it; thanks!
[02:41] <Sanne> phobiac: cu
[02:42] <andy__> thanks all. updating line 22 with multiverse worked! I got the package!
[02:42] <andy__> cheers
[02:42] <Sanne> andy__: congrats :)
[02:42] <cloakable> Cool
[02:42] <cloakable> :)
[02:51] <BluesKaj> how do I copy a file to a Folder using kdesu >...kdesu won't allow me to open a folder to copy to
[02:52] <BluesKaj> I can open the folder in konq but i can't copy to it without being root
[02:52] <ablyss> sudo konqueror ./
[02:53] <Dr_willis> or use the shell.. *ghasp* *Blasphmy*
[02:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:53] <Dr_willis> I tend to use the shell and run mc as root.. :) for my hard core root file management needs.
[02:53] <TheMonoTone> is there a sure fire way to get the ati drivers to not show up as using mesa
[02:54] <TheMonoTone> I've tried aticonfig --initial then aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[02:54] <TheMonoTone> no luck
[02:54] <ablyss> Dr_willis: what do you think about edgy's implementation of Dash ?
[02:55] <ablyss> that's if you use edgy
[02:56] <BluesKaj> ablyss, sudo konqueror ./   ...what does that do ?
[02:58] <ablyss> really ticked me off.. you'd think they inform you of this major change befor eyou upgrade.. sure I could read the change log, but still, i didn't expect all my cgi scripts to go nuts after I updraded, but I probably should have expected it, as when I updraded to dapper, the tail shell command was not coded correctly
[02:58] <ablyss> BluesKaj: it opens konqueror as root
[02:58] <BluesKaj> in the shell?
[02:58] <ablyss> the ./ opens it in the currect directory
[02:58] <ablyss> yes shell
[02:58] <Jucato> BluesKaj: have you tried opening Konqueror as root?
[02:59] <gatsby1984> hey- where can i find the barrel wiki?
[02:59] <BluesKaj> yes , but the problem is that it won't open the folder as root
[02:59] <Dr_willis> ablyss,  - seen very few problems with it.. much fewer then i expected..
[03:00] <max_> how do you remove flash 9
[03:00] <Jucato> BluesKaj: hm.. strange... it should work with any folder, since you'd be running it as root.
[03:00] <BluesKaj> the folder being  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:00] <fnord__> whats the latest version of cedega?im looking for what to put in here: cedega_[version] .deb
[03:01] <ablyss> Dr_willis: me either.. other than the latter.. kde has much better bluetooth support in edgy than in dapper
[03:01] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to add the libflashplayer.so file to  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins as it tells to in the readme
[03:02] <ablyss> max_: generally you open the web brower and find where the plugin folder is... normally in $HOME/.firefox/plugins or /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:02] <BluesKaj> Jucato ,I'm trying to add the libflashplayer.so file to  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins as it tells to in the readme
[03:03] <BluesKaj> err as it says to
[03:03] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  theres some repos that have the flash beta  you an apt-get
[03:03] <ablyss> BluesKaj: make sure you add it as sudo
[03:03] <Jucato> BluesKaj: kdesu konqueror doesn't work?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> sudo cp libflashplayer.so  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:04] <Dr_willis> is easier. :)
[03:04] <ablyss> the flashplayer installer always worked for me
[03:04] <Dr_willis> ablyss,  thats what i was thinking also
[03:04] <Jucato> Dr_willis: true... but that won't "explain" how/why it's not working in the GUI, right?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> i would have to guess 'BEBKAC"
[03:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:05] <Jucato> BEBKAC?
[03:05] <Dr_willis> oope PEBKAC :)
[03:05] <Jucato> ah :)
[03:05] <sinpath> how do i close apt-get from konsole?
[03:05] <Dr_willis> see its infecting everyone! :)
[03:05] <Jucato> :P
[03:05] <BluesKaj> ok , got it , thx ...doh ! ...I did that last nite , but my memory fails me ...getting old
[03:05] <Jucato> apparently, not me (yet)
[03:05] <ablyss> flashplayer installer is a shell script.. it wont run otherwise unless you use the konqueror 'run shell command'
[03:06] <Jucato> BluesKaj: how exactly were you trying to open the folder as root?
[03:07] <BluesKaj> I was mistakenly trying to open it with Kate
[03:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:07] <Dr_willis> pebkac!
[03:07] <Jucato> the Doctor makes a correct diagnosis again )
[03:07] <Jucato> :)
[03:08] <Dr_Pebkac> :)
[03:08] <Jucato> lol
[03:09] <sinpath> how do i shut off apt-get from konsole?
[03:09] <Dr_Pebkac> apt-get is a command ya type.. it runs and it exits...
[03:09] <Dr_Pebkac> shut off? Clarify your statement.
[03:09] <Jucato> what seems to be the problem?
[03:10] <sinpath> well when i try to run aadept manager it says apt get is still funning & i cant make systim changes
[03:11] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | sinpath
[03:11] <Ubotwo> sinpath: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:11] <parreira> Saudaes a todos...
[03:12] <sinpath> thank you
[03:12] <LjL> !pt | parreira
[03:12] <Ubotwo> parreira: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[03:12] <Dr_Pebkac> Nochos Bel Grande!
[03:12] <Dr_Pebkac> :)
[03:12] <Dr_Pebkac> Ricco Swavee
[03:12] <ablyss> Libre Nacho.. kids movie but good soundtrack
[03:14] <max_> how do you move somthin in teminal
[03:14] <max_> terminal
[03:14] <ablyss> generally 'mv'
[03:15] <Dr_Pebkac> !bash
[03:15] <Ubotwo> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:15] <max_> ablyss: how do you tell it where to move it too
[03:15] <parreira> alguem do sur de minass
[03:16] <Jucato> max_: mv <file/folder> <target file/folder name>
[03:18] <ablyss> max_: always good to embed your file and destination in strong quotes e.g., mv "foo bar" "/Documents/example 1/"
[03:18] <morvok> anyone farmiliar with easyUbuntu?
[03:18] <ablyss> or either get use to using tab-complete
[03:18] <Jucato> or use '\' before the spaces....
[03:18] <Jucato> !easyubuntu | morvok
[03:18] <Ubotwo> morvok: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[03:20] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago!
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: 23 page physics final is done...
[03:21] <morvok> jucato: thanks. think I got it though. stupid computers.
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll talk to you later though, I'm studying for calculus
[03:21] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nice! good luck! :)
[03:22] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[03:24] <Jucato> hm... is there a sudo counterpart of "su - <username>"?
[03:24] <_kuja_> sudo su - username?
[03:25] <Jucato> hehe I guess I'll just have to su - username... :)
[03:26] <_kuja_> Shame that sudo -s behaves differently :(
[03:28] <root> where is the fire fox plugin directory
[03:29] <_kuja_> wait, jucato, sudo -i seems like it will do the trick for 'ya
[03:29] <Jucato> hm... let me try
[03:30] <BluesKaj> root , usually: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:30] <Jucato> sudo -i <username>?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> root , change yer nick pls ...it's unsafe
[03:30] <_kuja_> funny
[03:31] <Jucato> _kuja_: no, it's not funny... and it's not a joke, btw
[03:31] <BluesKaj> Gents, is it necessary to use clamav or any antivirus on kubuntu ?
[03:31] <_kuja_> jucato: sudo -u user -i
[03:31] <_kuja_> ladies and gentleman, root has left the server :O
[03:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: only for the sake of people using Windows (files you may have received pass/forward to others may contain viruses)
[03:32] <Jucato> _kuja_: kool. thanks! :)
[03:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, i still use a windows partition
[03:33] <BluesKaj> but I'm running kaspersky on my windows partition
[03:33] <_kuja_> you're welcome jucato
[03:33] <Jucato> BluesKaj: well, you're Linux partition/system itself won't need the AV. your Windows partition/system might
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Kaspersky seems to do the jonb in windows
[03:34] <BluesKaj> job
[03:34] <murchadh_bhaba> root, ~/.mozilla
[03:34] <BluesKaj> BTW , I finally got flash9 beta running in FF
[03:34] <terry_> i use klamav before opening downloads or executing an unkown file
[03:36] <BluesKaj> wonder how many linux users have clamav or klamav running
[03:36] <BluesKaj> %-wise
[03:38] <terry_> i also use binfmt with wine and samba to connect to another winblows machine
[03:40] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here , tho I still cant connect from wifes windows pc to this linux box ...for some reason the assigned user and pw don't work
[03:42] <BluesKaj> Linux to windows NP, Windows parition to wife-Windows NP , but wife -windows to this kubuntu partition , no go :(
[03:45] <marcelo_> \j roga
[03:45] <flaccid> BluesKaj: #samba ?
[03:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:46] <flaccid> they can help you there
[03:47] <marcelo_> portugues!?
[03:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, no hurry ...it's not real important , it's just an annoyance i'd like to solve one of these days
[03:49] <flaccid> BluesKaj: samba in kcontrol is a good gui
[03:49] <max_> how do you install a .deb in a terminal
[03:49] <eia768> i just upgraded kubuntu to edgy and it seems to work ok, nice :-)
[03:49] <flaccid> max_: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[03:50] <max_> thanks
[03:50] <marcelo_> install the firefox
[03:50] <compilerwriter1> What would cause one identity to be inuse even though you have no client online using it?
[03:52] <Jucato> Dr_Pebkac: are you sane right now, or still handling PEBKAC issues? :)
[03:54] <gatsby1984> !restricted
[03:54] <Ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:54] <conn> hi, is it possible to change konqueror's loading animation from the "kubuntu" logo back to the blue "K"?
[03:56] <compilerwriter> It must have just taken a second for the blasted server to realize I was no longer connected.
[03:56] <_kuja_> conn, I've never seen the konqueror loading icon :D go to settings->performance and have it preload a copy or two or three, you won't have to see the loading icon anymore!
[03:57] <compilerwriter> I have been Reading Keir's book on Ubuntu and have read about Sbackup.  Now I want to ask you Kubuntu types if there is anything better offered by KDE?
[03:57] <Jucato> _kuja_: I think he meant the animated icon you see in Konqueror when loading a web page
[03:57] <_kuja_> hmm
[03:57] <manchicken> It's a throbber
[03:57] <Jucato> ah there :)
[03:57] <conn> _kuja_: uh, I'm talking about the logo that's static, and animates when loading. It has nothing to do with performance
[03:58] <conn> it's a theme element, but can't be changed when changing the theme in kcontrol
[03:58] <eia768> compilerwriter, i dont know about kde backup apps, but i ve used rdiff-backup for a while and it is ok for most aplications
[03:58] <conn> it seems one of the kubuntu setting packages changes it
[03:58] <_kuja_> ah, so when loading pages and not the app ... I think that's just the regular mouse cursor though isn't it?
[03:58] <_kuja_> a little spinner last I checked :\
[03:58] <conn> open konqueror, look to the right of the google search bar...
[03:58] <_kuja_> oh, THAT icon
[03:59] <conn> it's supposed to be a blue KDE "K"
[03:59] <_kuja_> I had completely forgotten that it existed ...
[03:59] <conn> I mean, I'd like it to be
[03:59] <compilerwriter> thanks for the input eia768  Anyone else care to weigh in?
[03:59] <conn> I can remove the kubuntu-default-settings package, but that removes other preferences I actually want on my system
[03:59] <Jucato> hm...
[04:01] <swim> hey folks is there a repo for stuff like libdvdcss and w32codecs?
[04:02] <eia768> compilerwriter , i ve used keeper that uses rdiff-backup as backend, but what i can say about this kind of tool is ---> you cant trust it very much! console tools like rdiff-backup are the best and more secure ever, keep used to make kde broke on dapper... so ... how could i manage backups? and if u dont have X running for a while? what can u do? who can u manage u backups?
[04:02] <DaveQB> swim mutli-verse ?
[04:02] <swim> DaveQB: oh, I thought I had that setup already...
[04:02] <compilerwriter> _kuja_ have you made it to China yet?
[04:03] <_kuja_> Not just yet
[04:03] <_kuja_> passing the middle of the earth now :P
[04:05] <rcrook> compilerwriter: I actually wrote my own script that fires off from cron. Backs up to tape
[04:05] <Jucato> conn: I think I may have found it.. just give me a few moments
[04:05] <Jucato> conn: you still there?
[04:06] <_kuja_> I do believe I've made it to china
[04:06] <conn> Jucato: yes, thanks
[04:06] <_kuja_> And here's the link to prove it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79941
[04:06] <conn> Jucato: I've located the icon: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/actions/kde.png
[04:06] <eia768> compilerwriter, cron + rdiff-backup ---> this is the easy way to backup from console
[04:06] <Jucato> conn: yep. and also for 22x22
[04:07] <Jucato> conn: delete/hide/move those, and it will revert to the original KDE throbber
[04:07] <Jucato> _kuja_: that may be a bit too big a change for a simple throbber :)
[04:07] <eia768> DaveQB thx
[04:07] <_kuja_> Might be
[04:07] <_kuja_> But half the reason I looked for that was for me :)
[04:07] <conn> Jucato: thanks
[04:08] <eia768> i ll be back, i ll restar X
[04:08] <eia768> restart*
[04:08] <Jucato> _kuja_: if you want to get the other Konqueror profiles back, that won't be enough though (for Dapper and Edgy)
[04:08] <_kuja_> gah
[04:09] <_kuja_> Go figure ...
[04:09] <Jucato> you just get the menus back, that's all
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> !gamba
[04:09] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> i installed gamba, where is it?
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> its not in the Kmenu
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> wtf
[04:09] <Jucato> _kuja_: you need those other profiles?
[04:10] <Jucato> !gambas
[04:10] <Ubotwo> gambas - Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language
[04:10] <_kuja_> Hmm, link I opened in the second tab seems more relevant to edgy/dapper
[04:10] <Jucato> ??
[04:11] <eia768> back again
[04:11] <_kuja_> Jucato: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/Information/KonquerorProfiles -- this one
[04:13] <Jucato> _kuja_: lol!
[04:13] <Jucato> _kuja_: http://jucato.org/kde/konq-profiles.html compare the two
[04:14] <_kuja_> striking similarity :O
[04:14] <_kuja_> Only other large difference is who comes up higher in google ...
[04:14] <Jucato> :(
[04:15] <Jucato> well at least the info gets around. no matter whose site it's on :)
[04:15] <_kuja_> Yup
[04:15] <mga_mark> Hello Kubuntu users!
[04:15] <compilerwriter> hello mga_mark
[04:15] <_kuja_> hiya
[04:15] <mga_mark> I'm getting ready to install kubuntu!
[04:16] <compilerwriter> Welcome Mga_mark  We are here to be of any assistance we can.  Jucato pull yourself together! Mga_mark may need us.
[04:16] <mga_mark> I'm wondering if it's going to be that big a deal. I don't think I'll leave any room for Windows. But I may end up using crossover, if anyone out there can say if it works.
[04:16] <Jucato> _kuja_: keep the ring. I was talking about my howto :)
[04:17] <nixternal> mga_mark: x-over works great
[04:17] <Jucato> uh oh... we have no bot...
[04:17] <nixternal> who needs a bot?
[04:17] <nixternal> we have you Jucato
[04:17] <Jucato> lol
[04:17] <nixternal> jeesh ;p
[04:18] <Jucato> ah there
[04:18] <nixternal> that was fast, coffee shop must be around the corner
[04:18] <Jucato> hehe
[04:18] <Fleebailey33> kubuntu takes 30 times to boot
[04:18] <_kuja_> Jucato: thanks anyhow, seems you're the true author of my fix :)
[04:19] <_kuja_> 30 times?
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> im dual booting with grub and media center edition and that boots fine
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> yes
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> it hangs
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> but on 30
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> it  boot
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> is it because of fsck?
[04:19] <_kuja_> Interesting problem
[04:19] <Jucato> _kuja_: well, even if I'm not the author, I'm the one hosting the other profiles :P
[04:19] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[04:19] <compilerwriter> mga_mark your recovery from winblows will be much more complete if you just go off it cold turkey.
[04:19] <campbch> ello
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> can i enable that every time?
[04:19] <mga_mark> Hey compilerwriter
[04:19] <Jucato> (although I'm not saying I'm not the author lol)
[04:20] <compilerwriter> Hey mga_mark
[04:20] <Jucato> by default, ext3 partitions are checked (fsck'ed) every 30 mounts
[04:20] <mga_mark> What if my wife insisits on using Microsoft Office? Will it work with crossover?
[04:21] <campbch> just curious, my laptop can run WoW at reasonable framerates and such in optimal conditions, eg. intel's favored windows, but is there a way to get to use its capacity on linux? at all? im pretty sure i have hardware rendering on and everything, but even on games like neverball i get maybe 15 fps
[04:21] <campbch> which makes me wonder if i have it set up correctly
[04:21] <compilerwriter> mga_mark that could proove to be a bit of a sticky wicket.
[04:21] <campbch> now, getting wow running is a different story, i realize, but i am having very many problems running GL
[04:21] <campbch> beryl is fine, though i'd like to note that
[04:21] <mga_mark> What do yoiu mean?
[04:22] <Fleebailey33> Jucato: but how do i default to everytime?
[04:22] <campbch> anyone have any info, suggestions?
[04:22] <compilerwriter> Of all the things to try to get running that are native to Win&*%#@ Office would be the thing that would get ones tit caught in the ringer.
[04:22] <Jucato> hm.. that I don't know... probably something in fstab...
[04:23] <Fleebailey33> yeah i figured
[04:23] <mga_mark> What's sticky about it?
[04:23] <Fleebailey33> maybe sync would fix it
[04:23] <Fleebailey33> be slow though
[04:23] <compilerwriter> Have you had your wife play with Open Office?
[04:24] <Jucato> anyone here familiar with compiling apps in places other than /usr and /usr/local
[04:24] <manchicken> OpenOffice.org is nice.
[04:24] <mga_mark> Yeah. She thinks she need Micro, like at work. Me, I use OpenOffice all the time. I prefer it.
[04:24] <unix_infidel> Jucato: what's your question.
[04:24] <manchicken> Though KOffice is certainly nice.
[04:24] <Adlai> Jucato, --prefix= is your friend, I believe
[04:24] <unix_infidel> Adlai: is correct.
[04:24] <max_> does anyone else have the problem with flash in firefox going above all text and dropdown menus
[04:25] <manchicken> mga_mark: Just don't run windows, the problem will go away ^_^
[04:25] <unix_infidel> be VERY careful where you choose your binary dest though.
[04:25] <Jucato> unix_infidel, Adlai: yes, I've done that. it compiled very successfully. my problem is actually getting KDE itself to recognize/run it...
[04:25] <mga_mark> I agree. Don't use Windows.
[04:25] <_kuja_> max: that's a known problem with the flash 9 betas
[04:25] <unix_infidel> Jucato: why oh WHY would you be compiling a DE in a nonstandard dest
[04:26] <Adlai> Jucato, just make a new .desktop file
[04:26] <compilerwriter> What is she doing in Winblows that she can't manage in OO mga_mark
[04:26] <unix_infidel> and 2) why OHH WHYYYY are you using a de :P
[04:26] <max_> kuja: i use flash 7
[04:26] <Jucato> I've compiled another version of Konversation from KDE SVN.
[04:26] <_kuja_> max: flash 7 was never particularly great either
[04:26] <Jucato> unix_infidel: because I'm trying to learn to develop for KDE. wouldn't make sense if I won't use it, right?
[04:26] <max_> kuja: how can i fix it?
[04:26] <Adlai> Jucato, look up the format of a .desktop file
[04:26] <_kuja_> max: no idea
[04:27] <Adlai> in terms of getting KDE to recognize it automatically, you're looking at environment variables with which I have no experience
[04:27] <Adlai> probably changing KDEPATH or PATH or something
[04:27] <Adlai> good luck though, I'm out
[04:27] <unix_infidel> Jucato: I'm no help there.  It just makes sense to me that If I'm developing for a DE that requires the user to install binaries in $DESTDIR i should put them there as well.
[04:27] <Jucato> Adlai: the .desktop doesn't mention any directory. just the executable. it still runs /usr/bin/konversation, even if launching it from the terminal launches the correct (SVN) version
[04:27] <mga_mark> I think OpenOffice is better than Microsoft Office. But if my wife thinks the other is better, i just thought it would make the switch to Linux easier.
[04:28] <Adlai> well, Jucato, you can always give it the absolute path to the executable
[04:28] <unix_infidel> mga_mark: use cxoffice.
[04:28] <Jucato> heh true.. just wondering if it could be done automatically, (as  KDE said was possible, but on Gentoo...)
[04:28] <mga_mark> What's exoffice?
[04:29] <mga_mark> I guess that was a joke, huh?
[04:29] <compilerwriter> Well, mga_mark, it is like this.  She really wouldn't be making the switch, in all truth.  I am afraid that you would find yourself getting Microsoft Office to sort of work and then the one thing she really needs won't.  That would just be ugly.
[04:30] <compilerwriter> She can export anything in OO to MS format.  She would also be able to freely install OO on her Winblows machine at work.
[04:31] <mga_mark> She already has it there. It's more psychological than logical, if you know what i mean.
[04:31] <_kuja_> could take ms windows, and install it in a virtual machine, then install ms office within that. Could.
[04:31] <compilerwriter> I guess then it all boils down to how much is she going to bitch, and how much 25 year old scotch you have on hand mga_mark.
[04:31] <mga_mark> Hey compilerwriter, how easy is it to install programs in Linux. All I've done so far is run Kubunu from the Live CD.
[04:32] <compilerwriter> For the most part it is quite easy.
[04:32] <campbch> mga_mark: using apt, even easier than windows
[04:33] <mga_mark> It's not quite like simply clicking on a file, and the rest is done by the computer?
[04:33] <max_> does anyone else have the problem with flash in firefox going above all text and dropdown menus
[04:33] <unix_infidel> Jucato: maybe you should ask in a kde dev channel.
[04:33] <campbch> mga_mark: more like highlighting something from like a catalogue, and telling it which ones you want
[04:33] <compilerwriter> It is actually about just like that for the most part.
[04:33] <Dr_Pebkac> Yea... a 5 yr old just dumped a whole can of fish food  in my tank.. then sprayed a whole can of air freshner over my pc and desk.......
[04:33] <Dr_Pebkac> Arent KIDS FUN!
[04:33] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i'm sure the guys like to have their cake and eat it too ya know
[04:33] <compilerwriter> mga_mark though some software is a little bit more problematic.
[04:33] <Dr_Pebkac> I now have the nicest smelling PC in the world...
[04:34] <_kuja_> mga_mark: it's easy to the point that you don't even have to download said file, you just click and install through another software (like adept).
[04:34] <Dr_Pebkac> bbl
[04:34] <mga_mark> Well, for example, if I want to install Firefox, what do I do?
[04:34] <compilerwriter> 25 year-old scotch drunk neat is always a plus in those rare instances :-}
[04:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: the kde dev I talked too doesn't know why it's not working.. going to ask in kubuntu dev
[04:34] <compilerwriter> It will already be there my friend.
[04:34] <campbch> mga_mark: open adept, type "firefox", click firefox, press install
[04:34] <mga_mark> Is adept inclluded in Kubuntu?
[04:35] <campbch> it will make a check, and then you can select other programs if you want
[04:35] <compilerwriter> mga_mark yes it is the package manager.
[04:35] <Jucato> mga_mark: yes.
[04:35] <campbch> yep, you type adept-manager, or find it under system in the k menu
[04:35] <campbch> use alt+f2 for the command
[04:35] <tomlins> this is so cool
[04:35] <compilerwriter> It is an integral part of installing and removing software in Kubuntu
[04:35] <mga_mark> So you don't have to download it
[04:35] <campbch> mga_mark: well, it does it for you
[04:36] <compilerwriter> adept will do the work for you.
[04:36] <mga_mark> What if you do download something, Do you use adept to installl that too?
[04:37] <campbch> mga_mark: those are called "repositories", and are defined in the sources.list file. they are basically a catalogue of programs specifically compiled for your processor archetype and distrobution, and once you tell it to install it will do all of the tedious stuff for you
[04:37] <campbch> to download a file, you do the same as any other OS
[04:37] <compilerwriter> mga_mark if adept can handle the software via the repositories it will do all the downloading for you.
[04:37] <campbch> which is to use the download manager that comes with, say, firefox
[04:37] <DaveQB> mga_mark  theres a GUI frontend you can install with adept that allows for right click installs of Deb's in your file system
[04:38] <DaveQB> starts with G its gnome app
[04:38] <DaveQB> i cant recall it
[04:38] <compilerwriter> mga_mark now say if you download a tarball.  Then you may have to use dpkg or even compile it yourself.  Not a big deal though.
[04:38] <mga_mark> Well, I'm looking forward to seeing it all work. You can't do much with the Live CD, unless I'm mistaken.
[04:38] <_kuja_> daveqb: I think you're talking about gdebi ... there's something there for doing the same in kubuntu, but it's a "quick fix"
[04:38] <compilerwriter> You can in combination with a thumb drive.
[04:39] <DaveQB> _kuja_  really ? I hope they do develop a native qt/K app like gdebi
[04:39] <campbch> mga_mark: there are two types of things you'd ever want to download; programs and media. you would use the programs, say amarok for mp3s, to play the media, which in this example would be the mp3. you use adept-manager to download a program, and then either a p2p program or a browser for the mp3 file. it's the same process under pretty much any circumstances
[04:39] <campbch> if its a really, really, really new program, like, yesterday new, you will probably not find it in the repositories
[04:39] <campbch> but tomorrow it will be there :D
[04:39] <_kuja_> daveqb: it's on their "to-do list"
[04:40] <reave|css> werd peeps..
[04:40] <reave|css> I need a hand
[04:40] <mga_mark> It sounds great. Would you ever go back to Windows? my guess is NO.
[04:40] <reave|css> does kubuntu support sata drives natively?
[04:40] <campbch> mga_mark you can use a usb thumbdrive, if you really want to get down with it
[04:40] <_kuja_> reave: yes
[04:40] <reave|css> so I have a bare machine and it will find my sata drive?
[04:40] <campbch> other than that, backup what you want and click the little install button
[04:40] <reave|css> I dont have to install a sata driver?
[04:40] <_kuja_> rave: yup
[04:41] <_kuja_> **reave
[04:41] <reave|css> winxp sucks
[04:41] <DaveQB> _kuja_  cool!
[04:41] <campbch> mga_mark: actually, i am in pain now, using windows, because im using XGL/beryl for my desktop... makes everything so fluid and natural
[04:41] <campbch> like shuffling papers on a desk
[04:41] <campbch> to where it hurts me dearly to use windows, and be so slow and unproductive
[04:41] <reave|css> I have a barely working drive with a master boot record on it...
[04:41] <reave|css> and a sata drive with my xp on it.
[04:42] <compilerwriter> Well mga_mark are going to take the plunge or wuss out?
[04:42] <campbch> don't pressure him
[04:42] <campbch> ;p
[04:42] <mga_mark> No, I'm taking the plunge.
[04:42] <campbch> let him get used to it; if he doesn't like it, it may take some time to get used to
[04:42] <mga_mark> Liinux is the future.
[04:43] <mga_mark> Linux is the future of education too.
[04:43] <campbch> liinux? :P they haven't tried? at least openly, have they... i wanna see the remote setup
[04:43] <_kuja_> So we hope
[04:43] <mga_mark> I think it should be used in our schools
[04:43] <compilerwriter> mga_mark linux is the present.  A good chunk of the web is on linux servers.  Like Most of it.
[04:43] <mga_mark> That's true
[04:44] <mga_mark> More every day.
[04:44] <compilerwriter> It would save the schools assloads of money spent on operating systems.
[04:44] <mga_mark> I loaded it on my widescreen laptop, but it didn't seem to support my screen too well
[04:44] <mga_mark> There must be a way around that
[04:45] <campbch> actually i hear mac is really popular with educational institutions... the only problem with mainstream adoption of linux, and i mean the ONLY problem, is that people just don't know how to use it. the only, ONLY real cost to user of using linux is in learning how to use it
[04:45] <compilerwriter> You might be able to do something about that in the install options.
[04:45] <campbch> mga_mark: what is your graphics chipset?
[04:45] <intelikey> hmmm interesting ubuntu's pastebin doesn't work with some chars
[04:46] <intelikey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37678/plain/
[04:46] <compilerwriter> _kuja_ what are you crossing your fingers over?
[04:46] <mga_mark> ATI mobility
[04:46] <campbch> i know i had to install 915resolution for mine, so that it emulated changes in the video bios and switched the resolution
[04:46] <campbch> perhaps after you install all of the proper drivers it will work better
[04:46] <mga_mark> It's a Dell E1505 Inspiron
[04:47] <eia768> anyone having problems with  apt-index-watcher
[04:47] <eia768> ?
[04:47] <campbch> the next version of (k/x/ed)ubuntu will have those drivers built-in. it'll make things much, much easier to install and get running, but some people don't like it because it isn't a "free" operating system at that point
[04:47] <_kuja_> compilerwriter: life, the universe, and everything
[04:48] <manchicken> mga_mark: What model of ATI mobility?
[04:48] <eia768> here cpu usage goes to 60% or more every 5 seconds
[04:48] <manchicken> eia768: What program is using the CPU?
[04:48] <compilerwriter> mga_mark Keir Thomas has published a book "Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional"  I think you will find it an invaluable reference.  Then you have all of us here as well.
[04:48] <mga_mark> Radeon X1400
[04:48] <eia768>  apt-index-watcher
[04:49] <mga_mark> Why wouldn't it still be a free operating system?
[04:49] <wombat_> help, Grub lost win xp
[04:49] <eia768> manchicken,  apt-index-watcher is buggy
[04:50] <eia768> wombat_  , grub is trying to free u self from windows
[04:50] <campbch> mga_mark: are you familiar with the differences between proprietary and open-source software?
[04:50] <mga_mark> Yes
[04:50] <eia768> !apt-index-watcher
[04:50] <Ubotwo> apt-index-watcher - Updater for apt-front indexes - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[04:50] <campbch> ok
[04:51] <mga_mark> But to work with a widescreen , why can't it stay open source?
[04:51] <rcrook> !pastebin
[04:51] <Ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:51] <BluesKaj> mga_mark, check this out if you need the open source ATI fglrx drivers for direct rendering and 3D
[04:51] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[04:51] <intelikey> free as in free speach -vs- free as in free beer
[04:51] <compilerwriter> wombat grub has done you a favour.  Take it out for a pint and consider yourself a recovered winblows user.
[04:51] <campbch> if any part of a linux distro has proprietary software, which it might have to since open-source drivers do not exist for some hardware, it is not considered completely free
[04:52] <wombat_> eia768_ lol I thought as much (jk) I did some updates in kubuntu and suddenly I have twice as many linux boot options in grub and no windows boot options
[04:52] <campbch> its like, free as in legally free... it still won't cost you
[04:52] <intelikey> free beer and free speach mixed togather can produce free bleeding.
[04:52] <campbch> intelikey: wha?
[04:52] <mga_mark> I saved that link. Thanks
[04:52] <manchicken> eia768: How do you figure it's buggy?
[04:53] <eia768> manchicken  lots of bug reports
[04:53] <eia768> manchicken , and it should not make my cpu usage go to 100% every 5 seconds
[04:53] <mga_mark> You guys are very helpful. I gotta go now, but I sure want to come back. this is a cool place. Thanks.
[04:53] <campbch> laters
[04:53] <compilerwriter> Your more than welcome.  Mga_mark
[04:54] <rcrook> wombat_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37683/ this is the entry that needs to be in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file.. just adjust the hdXX details for your XP partition
[04:54] <BluesKaj> mga_mark, it'll make the fgl_glxgears spin in 3D if nothing else :)
[04:54] <mga_mark> Thanks again
[04:54] <eia768> manchicken , i just stopped the service and now it is ok, i can play my 3d games
[04:54] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:54] <BluesKaj> NP
[04:54] <manchicken> eia768: How old is the install?
[04:54] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[04:54] <compilerwriter> Have a scotch and smoke a Cuban robusto for me.
[04:54] <wombat_> I changed grub's config originally so my machine would boot to win xp by default (for the missus) and I could choose to boot to kubuntu. now I have all the kubuntu boot options where I originally put the win xp boot options in the grub menu.
[04:54] <eia768> manchicken , 30 minutes or more
[04:54] <intelikey> hmmm place is cool.....  *turns the heat up...
[04:55] <manchicken> eia768: Let it index your apt repos.
[04:55] <manchicken> eia768: It only goes like that for a little while..
[04:55] <eia768> manchicken  , over an hour?
[04:55] <pacman> anyone?
[04:56] <manchicken> eia768: Depends on repos, installed packages, memory, processor speed, disk speed.
[04:56] <compilerwriter> I use kmix without problem pacman
[04:56] <manchicken> For me it took about 20 minutes or so.
[04:56] <eia768> manchicken , so why so many bug reports about it?  people reboot and it continues
[04:56] <manchicken> eia768: It's gotta index.
[04:56] <pacman> compilerwriter:  looking for something to adjust the different channels
[04:57] <campbch> oh NOES!!!!!
[04:57] <manchicken> eia768: It's a database.  It needs to know where it's putting stuff.
[04:57] <eia768> manchicken , ok , i ll try, but this kind of thing did not happened on dapper with the very same PC
[04:58] <manchicken> eia768: Sure it did.
[04:58] <eia768> manchicken , i just started it again... i ll wait for half an hour
[04:58] <intelikey> noes ?
[04:59] <dsmith_> ok I am back
[05:00] <[Relic] > I know you can import one profile into firefox, but is there anyway you can import another?
[05:01] <manchicken> eia768: Just remember, not all bug reports are correct ^_^
[05:01] <rcrook> one sec [Relic]
[05:01] <eia768> manchicken look this for example    http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=9704.0
[05:01] <[Relic] > this is the repository version from 6.10, there is no import in the menu
[05:03] <manchicken> eia768: Try firing off a few apt-get updates and see if that helps anything too.
[05:03] <rcrook> [Relic] : damn.. there is no import on the profile manager either.
[05:04] <swim> hey folks how do I get the theme manager? When I go into "System Settings" ->
[05:04] <swim> "Apperance" there is no Theme Manager
[05:05] <intelikey> dl time remaining 2h6m17s
[05:05] <rcrook> [Relic] : you could do it manually. b copying the file and editing the profiles.ini file
[05:05] <[Relic] > bookmarks is the only thing, not that that is totally bad
[05:05] <intelikey> arrr!
[05:06] <[Relic] > swim, like dekorator?
[05:06] <stdin> swim: alt-f2, type in "kcontrol", theme manager is in there
[05:06] <swim> oh thanks stdin
[05:08] <intelikey> is the top button in the kmenu > system > settings   not kcontrol ?
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: what trouble are you causing? :-P
[05:08] <intelikey> oh not a lot T3hWiz0rd  hehhe
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: well then I am disappointed.
[05:09] <rcrook> no intelikey  its hidden... irks me no end
[05:09] <rcrook> added the settings applet so I could get to it easily
[05:10] <stdin> you can get the "Settings" menu in the K menu
[05:10] <intelikey> just wondering if the kmenu from kde and the one form kubuntu-desktop were really that different....
[05:10] <rcrook> not on mine for some screw ball rerason
[05:10] <intelikey> rcrook you can right click the kmenu and configure it  to  'not be hidden'   select what you want to appear
[05:11] <Jucato> what's hidden?
[05:12] <rcrook> woohoo.. thanks intelikey... you learn something new everyday:)
[05:12] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey's uhhglayness just hid itself!
[05:12] <T3hWiz0rd> ITS LIKE A WIND0ZE MIRACLE!
[05:12] <intelikey> lol
[05:20] <Czex> anyone here know if there's a way to get shockwave to work?
[05:20] <unix_infidel> 2no
[05:20] <kilrae_> easy ubuntu isn't as easy as it could be
[05:20] <kilrae_> afaik, there is no linux shockwave player
[05:21] <intelikey> !i
[05:21] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:21] <unix_infidel> there's wine and vmware if shockwave is mission critical.
[05:21] <kilrae_> :O they changed the bot
[05:21] <Jucato> !shockwave
[05:21] <Ubotwo> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[05:21] <kilrae_> !anything
[05:21] <unix_infidel> wtf? ubotwo?
[05:21] <kilrae_> and the bot is ignoring me
[05:21] <kilrae_> !stupid bot
[05:21] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:21] <kilrae_> it no longer repeats what it doesn't no about
[05:22] <kilrae_> no more hilarious midnight bot teasing
[05:22] <unix_infidel> but ehwy is it called ubotwo now?
[05:22] <Jucato> it's a temporary substitute for ubotu while it's down
[05:23] <intelikey> i could be wrong but that looks more like a sub    when ubotu is all fixed up it'll be back
[05:23] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[05:23] <Jucato> :P
[05:24] <Jucato> miraculously... you're not wrong :)
[05:24] <intelikey> on my screen mine was first.
 i could be wrong but that looks more like a sub    when ubotu is
[05:24] <intelikey>             all fixed up it'll be back
 it's a temporary substitute for ubotu while it's down
[05:24] <phobiac> Anyone know of a linux program, or even better an online website, that can rip the audio from a .swf file?
[05:24] <intelikey> :)
[05:25] <intelikey> lag inverts things like that.
[05:25] <unix_infidel> phobiac: only thing i know that can do that is a flash player.
[05:25] <unix_infidel> erm an flv player.
[05:26] <phobiac> VLC plays .flv files, can it rip the audio only from a .swf unix_infidel?
[05:26] <rcrook> OMG.. for the first time ever I managed to get skyglobe to work under wine!!!!
[05:26] <unix_infidel> phobiac: why not just use flash8
[05:27] <phobiac> unix_infidel: It's not free is it?
[05:27] <unix_infidel> of course not.
[05:27] <intelikey> !flash9
[05:27] <Ubotwo> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[05:28] <unix_infidel> intelikey: flash 8 is part of studio 8
[05:28] <Jucato> Flash 8 never had a Linux version
[05:28] <unix_infidel> flash 9 player is standalone swf player.
[05:28] <phobiac> Hmm, I'm looking for something free that can do it. I doubt I'll ever have to do it again for a long time.
[05:29] <phobiac> No use spending money on something I'm only going to use once.
[05:29] <unix_infidel> lol, flash  is pretty proprietary stuff, maybe you can find a as2 script in #flash
[05:30] <phobiac> I'll try that then
[05:34] <intelikey> hmmmm i'm blasting .ogg files to the dsp with sox chattelizing this bx thingy installing 400m of new packages got a dos emulator running with apps in it and only used 22072k of ram  :)
[05:34] <phobiac> Well, thanks
[05:36] <intelikey> if i could get this dialup line as effecient as the os i'd have it made.
[05:36] <reave|css> do you guys mind if I ask total noob questions?
[05:36] <stdin> don't ask to ask, just ask
[05:36] <reave|css> cool...
[05:37] <intelikey> yes
[05:37] <bgsteffens> all i ask are total noob questions lol
[05:37] <reave|css> lol
[05:38] <reave|css> kubuntu installs itself from the dvd?  what should I expect?
[05:38] <rcrook> pwd
[05:38] <rcrook> opps... ww
[05:38] <dsmith_> ok
[05:38] <dsmith_> write permissions for a external USB drive
[05:38] <stdin> reave|css: can you be more specific?
[05:39] <stdin> it's rather a broad question :p
[05:39] <_kuja_> reave: the dvd can do it all
[05:39] <intelikey> reave|css you can expect to be disapointed.  you will be comming to a system you know nothing about and expecting to already be an expert in it....
[05:41] <intelikey> you can expect the learning curve to be much higher than that you are accustom too
[05:41] <dsmith_> curve? its more like a vertical wall
[05:41] <reave|css> great.....
[05:41] <stdin> it helps if you're enthusiastic in linux, as there is a lot to learn
[05:41] <reave|css> I just need to solve a problem
[05:42] <intelikey> you can expect some people to be really nice in trying to help you and others to just mock and diss you.
[05:42] <dsmith_> i hate the mockery
[05:42] <stdin> we're all nice in here
[05:42] <stdin> mostly :p
[05:42] <reave|css> I have a sata HD.  windows xp cant recognize it and any driver floppy I make seems to corrupt the windows install process..
[05:42] <dsmith_> everyone here has been helpful for me
[05:42] <reave|css> I pretty much need a slipstreamed driver in xp.
[05:42] <intelikey> _kuja_/#kubuntu has never been mocked
[05:42] <intelikey> now you ave.
[05:42] <intelikey> have.
[05:42] <intelikey> :)
[05:43] <reave|css> I thought perhaps a os that has native support of sata would be a better fit.
[05:43] <reave|css> I need to run counter strike soure...
[05:43] <reave|css> for everything else..  When I told them that my machine runs on Linux, they simply said that they don't support it and stopped the conversation."
[05:44] <dsmith_> ..just read that
[05:45] <_kuja_> Maxtor, no wonder you had trouble o.O
[05:46] <dsmith_> no its not a maxor drive
[05:46] <dsmith_> my usb drive is WD
[05:46] <unix_infidel> why would you even tell them?
[05:46] <dsmith_> it was a story I read
[05:46] <dsmith_> I did not call maxtor.....lol
[05:47] <intelikey> only maxtor hardware i've used was older ide hd's   all worked ok...
[05:47] <gtwy> is there a command line app to see how much bandwidth is currently being used
[05:47] <gtwy> transmitted through eth0
[05:47] <_kuja_> as per cs source, this may help: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=835
[05:47] <_kuja_> Once again proving that google knows all
[05:47] <dsmith_> i use dumeter in windows, not sure in linux?
[05:47] <intelikey> dsmith_ what was the number you called ?
[05:47] <intelikey> :)
[05:48] <dsmith_> lol.. I didn't call Maxtor. I pasted that from an article I read
[05:48] <dsmith_> wow hl2 via wine
[05:49] <reave|css> I was going to use wine
[05:50] <reave|css> Im downloading kubuntu atm.
[05:50] <reave|css> do most of the applications in linux install with wizards or do I have to use a lot of console commands
[05:50] <intelikey> traffic-vis - A sniffer that can display reports in HTML, Postscript and other formats   <<< not sure....
[05:50] <dsmith_> kubuntu is nice
[05:51] <intelikey> dsmith_ when did you make that call cause the time of day might matter...  :)
[05:51] <reave|css> the last linux install I had was about 1999 -2000 I ran slackware for about 2 days
[05:51] <intelikey> reave|css no
[05:51] <_kuja_> reave, most stuff you don't even have to search out and downlaod, and you can just pick out what you want and click install.
[05:51] <intelikey> reave|css no neither.
[05:51] <dsmith_> i didnt call maxtor
[05:52] <intelikey> reave|css ubuntu uses the debian package manager  dpkg  and  several frontends
[05:53] <_kuja_> apt-get, aptitude, dselect, adept, and I hope there aren't any more installed than that, would be kind of redundant ...
[05:53] <stdin> that's the default set, yeah
[05:54] <intelikey> don't forget synaptic ^
[05:54] <stdin> not default for kubuntu
[05:54] <dsmith_> which is better?
[05:54] <stdin> but it is what I use
[05:54] <dsmith_> adept or synaptic
[05:54] <intelikey> but certainly avalable
[05:54] <stdin> what's better depends on what's better for YOU
[05:55] <dsmith_> *shrug* OK
[05:55] <intelikey> the better one is the one you like the best
[05:55] <stdin> try both, see what you like
[05:55] <dsmith_> I HAVE BEFORE, UNDECIDED
[05:55] <dsmith_> ooops sorry
[05:55] <stdin> then use both
[05:56] <intelikey> dsmith_ when did you make that call ?
[05:56] <intelikey> :)
[05:56] <dsmith_> Intel.. are you trying to get on my nerves?
[05:56] <dsmith_> lol
[05:56] <stdin> you're just tryin to wind him up now :p
[05:56] <intelikey> is it working ?
[05:56] <reave|css> thugs on irc
[05:56] <dsmith_> naw...
[05:56] <reave|css> lol
[05:56] <dsmith_> *rolls* eyes
[05:57] <dsmith_> ok well looks like I should just reformat to ext3
[05:58] <dsmith_> thatway I have a place to store my backups
[05:58] <dsmith_> :)
[05:58] <intelikey> yeah i was just razzing you.    i saw that it was a quote when you first posted it.  also noticed your first mention that it was someone else  and because it seemed to be a point of contintion thought i'd poke it a little and see where it went.  no offence intended.
[05:59] <dsmith_> no problem
[05:59] <dsmith_> I was going to say.... he possibly cannot be that stupd
[05:59] <dsmith_> lol
[06:00] <intelikey> i would hope to be shot if i were.
[06:00] <intelikey> :)
[06:00] <murchadh_bhaba> Nah, intelikey smart, Agent dude dumb!
[06:01] <intelikey> lol
[06:01] <murchadh_bhaba> hehe
[06:01] <intelikey> mister heckel and agent jive  lol
[06:02] <murchadh_bhaba> Two of the reasons I lurk here!
[06:02] <intelikey> really ?>
[06:02] <swim> does kubuntu have an automounter installed by default? I just inserted a dvd and it didnt automount
[06:03] <intelikey> swim yes
[06:03] <swim> intelikey: is there something I can do for it to start working?
[06:03] <intelikey> swim kernel side code and not sure what backend...
[06:04] <RoKFiT> intelikey: can you help me solve a problem with my sound card, or diagnose the problem
[06:04] <swim> odd it automounts cds, but not dvds in the dvd player
[06:04] <swim> or dvd drive
[06:05] <intelikey> swim right click the desktop and configure   enable unmounted media and mounted media  maybe?
[06:05] <intelikey> RoKFiT maybe.
[06:05] <intelikey> RoKFiT what you got ?
[06:05] <RoKFiT> NVidia CK804
[06:05] <RoKFiT> popping audio on playback
[06:05] <intelikey> RoKFiT edgy ?
[06:06] <RoKFiT> yes
[06:06] <intelikey> k let me look around a bit.
[06:07] <swim> hrmmm
[06:07] <stdin> RoKFiT: sound troubleshooting page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[06:08] <RoKFiT> intelikey: a guy in #alsa suggested there may be a conflict on the IRQ 225 which libata and NVidia CK804 is on.  He suggested changing the IRQ in bios, but there is not a setting for it.
[06:08] <RoKFiT> i have tried changing all irq's and none fixed it
[06:09] <intelikey> RoKFiT it could be   but i'm more inclined to think it may be arts not playing nice with the hardware.
[06:09] <mankeletord> hi all
[06:09] <mankeletord> can i install kubuntu from another distro?
[06:09] <intelikey> RoKFiT do you have a .wav or .ogg file you can test with.
[06:10] <intelikey> ?
[06:10] <RoKFiT> yes, all files produce errors
[06:10] <RoKFiT> i've copied same files to windows for them to play fine
[06:10] <intelikey> mankeletord *buntu  yes  others no.
[06:10] <dope> hey buddies the automatix site is down so i don't know how to install it for kubuntu
[06:10] <intelikey> RoKFiT k install sox and drop to a console and test one of them
[06:11] <RoKFiT> install from adept_manager?
[06:11] <intelikey> RoKFiT yes
[06:11] <mankeletord> intelikey: :(  I wanted to install kubuntu into a  slackware based distro from a mounted iso
[06:12] <RoKFiT> intelikey: okay sox is installed and the file is on Desktop named blue.mp3
[06:12] <intelikey> mankeletord there is a webpage on ubuntu.com  that covers all 'reasonable' install methods.
[06:13] <RoKFiT> what do i do now?
[06:13] <dope> i wanna put kubuntu on my car's ECU.  Is there a tutorial for that?
[06:14] <intelikey> RoKFiT k to get to a console  [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]    and use  [alt] +[f7]  to get back to the gui.   in the console login and type   play <your-sound-file.ogg>
[06:14] <RoKFiT> how do i convert the file first?
[06:15] <intelikey> dope i saw some info on that just yesterday.  google.com/linux  search obd-ii    about the second or third hit.
[06:15] <intelikey> RoKFiT what is the format now ?
[06:15] <RoKFiT> .mp3
[06:15] <intelikey> eeeek  got anything else ?
[06:15] <dope> lol seriously?
[06:15] <intelikey> got any .wav
[06:15] <RoKFiT> i can get some
[06:15] <intelikey> dope check and see.
[06:16] <intelikey> RoKFiT sox can play .au .wav .ogg natively     maybe some others....
[06:17] <RoKFiT> what is the command to play it
[06:17] <RoKFiT> just play
[06:17] <intelikey> it was in the line i gave you.
[06:17] <RoKFiT> play blue.wav
[06:17] <intelikey> ype
[06:17] <intelikey> yep
[06:17] <RoKFiT> yes but i know that movies make pops too
[06:17] <RoKFiT> and i know the file is good
[06:18] <RoKFiT> meaning it's not the file
[06:19] <murchadh_bhaba> !UUID
[06:19] <stdin> bot's gone
[06:20] <RoKFiT> intelikey...
[06:20] <intelikey> RoKFiT test results ?
[06:20] <RoKFiT> I don't understand what this test will determine
[06:20] <intelikey> does it play ?
[06:20] <Jucato> whoa.. two Ubotwo's?
[06:20] <RoKFiT> If i know my .mp3 files are perfect under windows
[06:20] <intelikey> RoKFiT just answer the question.
[06:21] <RoKFiT> i'm still downloading the file
[06:21] <intelikey> ok.
[06:22] <intelikey> well i have found on occation that sound was bad with some hardware and arts     but things work perfectly in the console   if that is what you find you can rule out alsa  and bad hardware   wrong interrupts  and several things in one swat.
[06:23] <php-freak> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/template2/ can someone view this site, and take a screen shot, so i can see what it look slike on other displays, preferably a higher resolution display, cause my video card sucks I'd highly apperciate it.
[06:23] <RoKFiT> intelikey: sox can't open device dev something
[06:24] <intelikey> RoKFiT sudo killall artsd   and try again
[06:24] <RoKFiT> ... /dev/dsp resource busy
[06:25] <intelikey> php-freak you don't want me to test that do you ???
[06:25] <intelikey>    This site will look much better in a browser that supports web standards,
[06:25] <intelikey>             but it is accessible to any browser or Internet device.
[06:25] <intelikey> ^
[06:25] <RoKFiT> it played, and yes i was getting popping
[06:25] <php-freak> lol
[06:26] <intelikey> RoKFiT ok.  that answers a few questions.
[06:26] <stdin> php-freak:  http://img450.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot3hp4.jpg
[06:26] <intelikey> let me look around a bit.
[06:27] <php-freak> cool
[06:27] <php-freak> stdin: you have high resolution too right?
[06:27] <stdin> php-freak: 1600x1200
[06:27] <php-freak> okay great :)
[06:27] <stdin> so yeah :p
[06:27] <php-freak> thanks man
[06:28] <stdin> no problem
[06:30] <intelikey> RoKFiT pastebin the output of  lshw for me.
[06:31] <intelikey> RoKFiT ?
[06:31] <RoKFiT> intelikey: I am...
[06:31] <intelikey> k
[06:32] <RoKFiT> http://pastebin.ca/283244
[06:32] <intelikey> k
[06:34] <mankeletord> I have a question with adept, what's the difference between 'purge' and 'uninstall'?
[06:35] <stdin> mankeletord: purge removes the configuration files too
[06:35] <Jucato> mankeletord: purge also deletes configuration files that were created in /etc and /usr
[06:35] <Jucato> (take note that purge doesn't delete the ones in /home)
[06:36] <mankeletord> Jucato: you mean that $HOME/.recent_removed_package is not deleted?
[06:36] <stdin> that's right
[06:36] <Jucato> mankeletord: depends on where the config file is, but generally yes
[06:36] <Jucato> (if it's a kde app, the ones in ~/.kde don't get removed)
[06:37] <stdin> most packages don't touch $HOME
[06:37] <Jucato> yep. the ones in  $HOME are the config files that are produced when you modify an app as a user
[06:39] <mankeletord> nice :)
[06:39] <kcinna> hey all
[06:40] <kcinna> anyone know of mirror or any other way to get automatix now?
[06:40] <mankeletord> kubuntu package management is nice
[06:40] <Jucato> !automatix | kcinna
[06:40] <Jucato> aw great
[06:40] <Jucato> let me try that again...
[06:40] <Jucato> !automatix
[06:41] <Jucato> kcinna: oh well... better ask in #automatix...
[06:41] <Ubotwo> kcinna: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:41] <Ubotwo> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:41] <Jucato> rawr!!!
[06:41] <kcinna> oh
[06:41] <murchadh_bhaba> !UUID
[06:42] <kcinna> i good friend of mine recommended it, im having trouble to get a bunch of video stuff and java to work right
[06:42] <mankeletord> Im testing kubuntu and all works great here
[06:42] <Jucato> kcinna: it's because of the !WorksForMe thing...
[06:42] <Jucato> !WorksForMe | kcinna
[06:42] <kcinna> haha
[06:42] <Jucato> (might take a while for the bot to reply...)
[06:43] <Ubotwo> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:43] <Ubotwo> kcinna: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:44] <kcinna> i cant run any scripts as root, i only created one account with one password when i instanned ubuntu
[06:44] <kcinna> i need to install my video drivers
[06:44] <Jucato> kcinna: bottom line: what may work for some, may not always work for others. even for the "official" methods. but using the official methods guarantees that you can ask/blame the devs if something goes wrong :P
[06:44] <stdin> !sudo | kcinna
[06:44] <Ubotwo> kcinna: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:45] <mankeletord> kcinna: sudo passwd root
[06:46] <Jucato> mankeletord: not really recommended
[06:46] <stdin> mankeletord: sudo -s
[06:46] <Jucato> stdin: still not the original bot, though
[06:46] <stdin> or sudo -i
[06:46] <kcinna> how can i kill x and just have a terminal?
[06:46] <Jucato> actually, sudo -i (is more recommended, I think). don't know the diff
[06:46] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, i know
[06:46] <Jucato> forgot to append :( to that line...
[06:47] <stdin> Jucato: one sets $HOME and others (-s i think)
[06:47] <mankeletord> Jucato: well, If i dont have root, i die :P
[06:47] <mankeletord> I came from slack :)
[06:47] <seven11> is there a comand like tree (xp) so you are able to see dir +subfolders on linux
[06:47] <stdin> mankeletord: like I said, sudo -s or sudo -i will give you a root shell
[06:47] <Jucato> mankeletord: your choice. it's just not the recommended thing to do in Kubuntu :)
[06:47] <intelikey> RoKFiT my searching has be less than successful on that issue.
[06:47] <stdin> seven11: ls -R
[06:48] <RoKFiT> dang
[06:48] <seven11> thanks stdin
[06:48] <stdin> :)
[06:48] <Jucato> besides, the GUI apps are oriented towards sudo/kdesu, so I'm not sure how it will affect it
[06:49] <stdin> setting a root password won't affect apps, as kdesu is make to use sudo (not su), but why bother if you have sudo
[06:49] <mankeletord> ok, but can anyone tell me why is not recommended su in *buntu?
[06:49] <Jucato> mankeletord: read the page that was given by the bot about sudo
[06:49] <kcinna> my video driver install script says i need to exit X before running the script, how do i do this?
[06:49] <stdin> plus, if get someone bruteforceing you on ssh, they go for root first
[06:49] <Jucato> (scroll a bit up)
[06:49] <intelikey> seems very little has been reported on dual k8s with ac'97 nvidia sound....   i'm thinking possably lsmod | grep 97  and rmmod that module then modprobe with an arg about the irq
[06:49] <intelikey> RoKFiT ^
[06:50] <RoKFiT> could you guide me through that process
[06:51] <Jucato> stdin: that's my point. apps still use kdesu/sudo, so it'll still ask for the sudoer's password... which might get confusing. plus not sure if enabling root changes that...
[06:51] <stdin> kcinna: the X config file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:51] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, What IRQ is the card using at the moment (with the popping)?
[06:51] <RoKFiT> intelikey: here is the output of lsmod | grep 97   http://pastebin.ca/283259
[06:51] <intelikey> RoKFiT not really familear with it myself
[06:51] <RoKFiT> 225
[06:52] <stdin> Jucato: setting root won't change the behaviour of kdesu, but setting a root pass is kinda pointless IMO
[06:52] <RoKFiT> irq 225
[06:52] <Jucato> oh ok
[06:53] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, I dunno what an IRQ 225 is. They usually go to 15. Confused!
[06:53] <kcinna> stdin: what do i so with that file?
[06:53] <RoKFiT> 225:    1334382          0   IO-APIC-level  libata, NVidia CK804
[06:54] <stdin> kcinna: depends what the instructions say
[06:54] <Jucato> kcinna: what video card driver are you trying to install?
[06:54] <RoKFiT> how do i check the IRQ of it?
[06:54] <kcinna> nvidia geforce4
[06:55] <kcinna> itsays to kill x and run the sh script
[06:55] <Jucato> !nvidia | kcinna
[06:55] <Ubotwo> kcinna: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:56] <murchadh_bhaba> !IRQ probe
[06:56] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:56] <kcinna> thanks
[06:57] <mankeletord> k, i readed the rootsudo page. Anyway ill need to use su root sometimes
[06:57] <stdin> mankeletord: why?
[06:57] <intelikey> RoKFiT looks like youll have to rmmod snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus       and if that gets it  modprobe snd_ac97_bus --option irq=10      or some such   again i'm not well versed in modules/module parameters     if anyone in here is let them speak up.
[06:58] <Jucato> almost anything you'd ever need for "root" can be done with sudo
[06:58] <mankeletord> stdin: I need to feel the real root power xD
[06:58] <RoKFiT> can i rmmod them all in one line like that?
[06:58] <Jucato> (almost...)
[06:58] <stdin> mankeletord: what possible reason is there for su root, when you have sudo -i
[06:58] <stdin> mankeletord: sudo will give you "real" root powers
[06:58] <intelikey> RoKFiT oh sorry   not  --option   --config
[06:59] <RoKFiT> ERROR:  module is in use
[07:00] <intelikey> RoKFiT you can grep it.    lsmod | grep snd_intel8x0
[07:00] <intelikey> see what is using it. and get it too
[07:00] <intelikey> or lsmod | less and have the full list to play with.
[07:01] <mankeletord> stdin: ok, if you say. Ill trust in you
[07:01] <mankeletord> :)
[07:01] <stdin> :D
[07:01] <stdin> you can trust me
[07:01] <RoKFiT> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/283266
[07:02] <kcinna> hm, i get an erro when i try to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:02] <kcinna> saying my x configuration has been latered
[07:03] <dsmith_> i like the t-shirt that says this.. "Get me a coffee... ???, SUDO apt-get Coffee"
[07:03] <flaccid> sudo apt-get upgrade heroin
[07:03] <dsmith_> what IRC clients are being used here..
[07:03] <dsmith_> lol flaccid
[07:04] <mankeletord> I have downloaded a debian-packaging-tutorial.pdf, will works here?
[07:04] <Jucato> dsmith_: mostly konversation, others use Kopete, ksirc or kvirc
[07:04] <Jucato> the hardcore ones use irssi
[07:04] <dsmith_> i am using konversaton
[07:04] <mankeletord> I mean would work in kubuntu?
[07:04] <dsmith_> this konsersation irc proggy is just too plain white
[07:04] <Jucato> mankeletord: you mean the pdf or the packaging tutorial?
[07:04] <stdin> mankeletord: kubuntu is debain based, so yeah it will work
[07:05] <Jucato> stdin, mankeletord: Kubuntu has it's own packaging guide, btw
[07:05] <RoKFiT> intelikey: ...
[07:05] <stdin> Jucato: I know, the tutorial on the open week was good
[07:06] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html, can be downloaded as PDF (http://help.ubuntu.com), and offline in KDE Help Center (K Menu -> Help)
[07:06] <Jucato> dsmith_: you can customize the colors of Konversation, and even put a background for the chat window
[07:06] <mankeletord> Jucato: I only have found a packaging guide in spanish for debian
[07:07] <Jucato> ah you wanted something in spanish?
[07:07] <Jucato> well, if you're just packaging for yourself, that debian guide just *might* work.
[07:08] <stdin> nothing like packageing you self with tar and ar
[07:08] <RoKFiT> intelikey: are you here?
[07:08] <unix_infidel> might ask in a dev channel like motu if there's a place where thye learned.
[07:08] <unix_infidel> some of them may have started too early to even remember where.
[07:10] <mankeletord> stdin: thanks, now I can build my amule package :)
[07:11] <mankeletord> Jucato: The english guide will be ok
[07:12] <RoKFiT> if I install a new soundcard will it automatically install drivers?
[07:14] <dsmith_> i like synaptic over adept
[07:14] <dsmith_> so... I am assuming I can remove adeopt
[07:14] <dsmith_> *adept
[07:15] <stdin> RoKFiT: the drivers are probably already installed as kernel modules, they get loaded at boot if you have the hardware
[07:15] <stdin> dsmith_: if you remove adept, kubuntu-desktop will also get removed
[07:15] <dsmith_> ouch
[07:16] <dsmith_> nm
[07:16] <dsmith_> lol
[07:16] <dsmith_> i was just beginning to wonder that
[07:17] <stdin> I use synaptic, but keep adept so apt won't say it wants to autoremove everythin :p
[07:17] <Jucato> synaptic and adept both use apt-get as backends...
[07:17] <dsmith_> ok....
[07:17] <dsmith_> for me synaptic is easier
[07:17] <stdin> yeah, and apt-get uses dpkg as a backend
[07:18] <Jucato> yep
[07:18] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, I'd have a peek here first! http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 Sorry I can't be of more help!
[07:18] <Jucato> synaptic is more mature, because it is older :)
[07:18] <dsmith_> hmmm looking at irssi
[07:18] <dsmith_> sweet
[07:18] <dsmith_> I believe I just installed it
[07:19] <dsmith_> have to find it now
[07:19] <stdin> irssi is quite good, I use it sometimes
[07:19] <dsmith_> i like black backgrounds
[07:19] <dsmith_> I used MIRC for a VERY long time
[07:19] <stdin> it's a text mode client, i.e. type irssi --help
[07:20] <fleeirssi> im using irssi
[07:20] <fleeirssi> can you tell?
[07:20] <Jucato> irssi is installed by default, and it's a command line IRC client
[07:20] <dsmith_> ahhh
[07:20] <dsmith_> so it runs in a shell
[07:20] <stdin> yeah
[07:20] <Jucato> dsmith_: you can change colors in Konversation, as I've mentioned
[07:21] <dsmith_> jucato I was looking for that option
[07:21] <Jucato> dsmith_: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Colors ?
[07:21] <dsmith_> oh damn I feel du
[07:21] <dsmith_> *dumb
[07:21] <dsmith_> lol
[07:22] <mankeletord> hmmm packaging on kubuntu is a very hard job :o
[07:23] <Jucato> basically, packaging means making a .deb package for possible future inclusion into the repositories or for distribution
[07:23] <murchadh_bhaba> mankeletord, Mine came in a brown paper bag!
[07:23] <dsmith_> hmmm
[07:23] <Jucato> the packaging guide tries to teach you to build a package that will install properly on Ubuntu systems
[07:23] <bgsteffens>
[07:25] <RoKFiT> i need a sound card
[07:25] <RoKFiT> that's my solution
[07:25] <dsmith_> ok I have set up w/ colors
[07:25] <dsmith_> thats
[07:25] <dsmith_> thanks
[07:26] <mankeletord> Well, I have to build the perfect slackware package... with this guide I should do same for .deb packages
[07:26] <mankeletord> I mean on slack I know how
[07:26] <RoKFiT> is onboard audio on the serial or parallel port ever?
[07:26] <Jucato> the perfect slack package? you mean a source tarball? :D
[07:27] <dsmith_> any operators here?
[07:27] <dsmith_> I guess there are none, as the ID tags are not showing
[07:27] <stdin> dsmith, they are hideing
[07:27] <dsmith_> lol..ok
[07:27] <Jucato> until you do something very very stupid, then they show up and kick you to /dev/null :)
[07:27] <dsmith_> lol
[07:28] <dsmith_> this is like the longest I have been on IRC in 2 years
[07:29] <stdin> I've been on IEC for about 10 days now :p
[07:29] <stdin> *IRC
[07:29] <dsmith_> i was using in back in 96