[00:16] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/972558/
[00:16] <wgrant> What's the generated SQL?
[00:17] <wgrant> Need to ensure that there's no ORDER BY etc.
[00:17] <StevenK> 0-21@SQL-main-master UPDATE Branch SET information_type=CASE WHEN transitively_private THEN 4 ELSE 1 END WHERE Branch.id IN (77)
[00:17] <wgrant> Huh, interesting that it evaluates that early.
[00:18] <wgrant> I would have expected it to use a subselect.
[00:18] <wgrant> Still, okay either way
[00:18] <StevenK> Just checking what happens with bigger chunks
[00:20] <StevenK> 0-4@SQL-main-master UPDATE Branch SET information_type=CASE WHEN transitively_private THEN 4 ELSE 1 END WHERE Branch.id IN (7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 75, 76)
[00:20] <wgrant> Mm, might as well turn it into an explicit subselect.
[00:21] <wgrant> Oh, but it's wrapped in a method, isn't it.
[00:21] <wgrant> So you'd have to duplicate.
[00:21] <wgrant> Not worth it, just go with this way
[00:21] <StevenK> wgrant: Yup, let me commit, push and pqm-submit
[02:32] <wgrant> StevenK: How goes QA?
[03:07] <StevenK> wgrant: Trying to get access to the staging mailbox
[03:08] <wgrant> StevenK: Don't you only need inbound mail?
[03:09] <StevenK> wgrant: I thought new@bugs ... would reply back?
[03:09] <wgrant> StevenK: Sure, but why do you care about that?
[03:09] <wgrant> You didn't change the response AFAIK
[03:09] <StevenK> wgrant: Because I want to see if ' informationtype proprietary' dies horribly.
[03:10] <wgrant> Ah
[03:11] <StevenK> wgrant: Or you can rummage inside the staging mailbox and see if the malonehandler yelled at me.
[03:11] <wgrant> I'm currently wondering if stub will hate me for adding more indices to bugtaskflat :)
[03:12] <wgrant> Well
[03:12] <wgrant> I think Thunderbird hung before it even hit the network to retrieve the mailbox
[03:12] <wgrant> How nice of it
[03:12] <StevenK> Haha
[03:29] <StevenK> wgrant: Thunderbird still hates you?
[03:29] <wgrant> It's still restarting.
[03:29] <wgrant> I think I might need to vacuum some SQLite.
[03:29] <wgrant> Let me delete indices and see what happens./
[03:30] <lifeless> wgrant: got time for a brief call ?
[03:31] <wgrant> lifeless: Sure
[03:32] <lifeless> hows your skype install these days ?
[03:32] <wgrant> Calling...
[03:33] <jtv> I wonder who knows about PQM these days?  It won't let me land branches.
[03:34] <wgrant> jtv: What's it saying?
[03:34] <jtv> 'Failed to verify signature: gpgv exited with error code 2'
[03:35] <wgrant> Sure you're using the right key and email address?
[03:36] <jtv> I don't see any sign that I'm not.
[03:37] <jtv> I registered a key for it, which is the same key that I get prompted for to sign my revisions, and for the same email address that the email is addressed to and that bzr is set up to use.
[03:38] <StevenK> jtv: Do you know which key PQM is using, since PQM is entirely seperate.
[03:38] <jtv> It's not basing it on the email address I'm using?
[03:38] <wgrant> jtv: It has a keyring.
[03:39] <jtv> So I need to have this key registered somewhere besides Launchpad?
[03:40] <StevenK> jtv: Yup. If it's a new key, you need to file an RT to get the webops to add it to PQM's keyring.
[03:40] <wgrant> jtv: Yes. PQM doesn't know about Launchpad.
[03:40] <jtv> Arrrh.  Thanks.
[03:43] <jtv> (It used to let me land branches with this key, although ec2 wouldn't)
[03:44] <StevenK> jtv: I have one key, it saves thinking about it.
[03:44] <StevenK> wgrant: Thunderbird still hates the world?
[03:45] <jtv> So did I — but then the trouble started.  First ec2 stopped accepting it, and now apparently pqm as well.
[03:45] <jtv> Sorry, actually it was more complicated than that.
[03:45] <jtv> One key is not necessarily simpler.
[03:47] <StevenK> jtv: I just transistioned from a 1024 DSA key to a 4096 RSA key, and I know that ec2 and pqm-submit/lp-land use completly different codepaths to get the signing key.
[03:48] <jtv> Yeah, what happened is that one of the earlier changes forced me to add a new key, and then ec2 had trouble with that.  But now that trouble seems to have extended to pqm.
[03:49] <StevenK> jtv: How do you get forced to generate a new key?
[03:50] <jtv> My old one was no longer accepted.
[03:57] <wgrant> Howso?
[04:02] <spm> jtv: that error message is also what you'll get if your email address order in the 'right' key changes.
[04:02] <spm> but seeing as that requires one of us to change your key on pqm, probably not that.
[04:04] <jtv> spm: sorry, I don't follow… if my email address order in the "right" key changes?  What does that mean?
[04:06] <spm> jtv: eg mine: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x19273D1D1CC65F5BBC798AA93D8EAB2DEBE3BC06&op=index <== if I changed the primary contact email in that, pqm will not recognise it as valid.
[04:07] <jtv> Ah.  No, that can't have happened here.
[04:07] <spm> the flip side, is if the address you send as changes; it has a similar effect too
[04:34] <lifeless> jtv: did the key expored ?
[04:34] <lifeless> expire
[04:35] <jtv> No.  It was a while ago but if I recall correctly, the problem was that it wasn't attached to my canonical address.
[04:35] <StevenK> You can edit the key and 'adduid'
[04:35] <wgrant> StevenK: Error message:
[04:35] <wgrant> Proprietary bugs are forbidden to be filed via the mail interface.
[04:35] <StevenK> wgrant: Win!
[04:36] <StevenK> wgrant: There should be another message in there
[04:36] <wgrant> What should it look like?
[04:36] <wgrant> There's about 20000 other messages in there.
[04:36] <wgrant> And that's after I deleted 100000
[04:37] <StevenK> wgrant: It was exactly the same as the Proprietary mail, but set it to Unembargoed Security.
[04:38] <wgrant> StevenK: That's a bugnotification.
[04:38] <cjwatson> jtv: It's allowed to have a PQM key whose primary UID isn't your Canonical address, but you do need to get ops to set your primary UID as permitted.
[04:38] <StevenK> wgrant: What's the bug number?
[04:38] <wgrant> StevenK: We don't send bug notifications automatically.
[04:38] <StevenK> Ahh.
[04:39] <cjwatson> (I deduce that it's allowed because my key is that way.)
[04:39] <wgrant> So I'd look for it in the web UI
[04:39] <jtv> cjwatson: I think ec2 forced me to use my canonical address.
[04:39] <wgrant> It doesn't.
[04:39] <StevenK> wgrant: Yeah, I'm doing so.
[04:39] <wgrant> My primary isn't canonical.com
[04:39] <cjwatson> DOesn't for me.
[04:39] <StevenK> Depends on the mail setup.
[04:39] <wgrant> My canonical.com address isn't primary for anything anywhere.
[04:39] <wgrant> And it works for me :)
[04:40] <jtv> wgrant, cjwatson: I didn't say "as primary"
[04:40] <cjwatson> It's trivial to add a Canonical UID to an existing key.
[04:40] <StevenK> wgrant: qa-ok, finally.
[04:40] <wgrant> StevenK: Great.
[04:40] <StevenK> wgrant: Thanks for the assist.
[04:41] <jtv> cjwatson: maybe it is, but for other reasons I did not want to do that.
[04:55] <lifeless> http://www.slideshare.net/dings/dont-play-games-with-me-promises-and-pitfalls-of-gameful-design
[04:55] <lifeless> worth a read
[10:54] <StevenK> wgrant: We just need jml's QA now.
[10:57] <wgrant> StevenK: Unfortunately I believe achuni is likely to be at UDS.
[10:57] <wgrant> But hopefully not.
[10:58] <StevenK> We can deploy r15204 if we want.
[10:58] <StevenK> In terms of my stuff, that's the mail command and adding information_type to IBranch.
[11:03] <danhg> hey all
[11:18] <rick_h_> howdy danhg
[11:21] <nigelb> StevenK: ping, around?
[11:25] <StevenK> nigelb: O hai
[11:25] <nigelb> Heya, got a few mins for a PM?
[11:25] <StevenK> nigelb: Sure.
[13:29] <abentley> rick_h_: per deryck's email, he and adeuring aren't standupping today.  Would you like to stand up anyhow?
[13:30] <rick_h_> abentley: sure
[13:53] <czajkowski> morning
[14:06] <rick_h_> party czajkowski
[14:07] <czajkowski> sleepy czajkowski this timezone lark is most confusing :)
[14:08] <rick_h_> hah, timezones do suck. My wife says melatonin ftw (she's a doc) and helped when I hit budapest I think
[17:45] <lifeless> morning
[18:00] <czajkowski> morning
[18:13] <lifeless> flacoste: how is UDS ?
[18:17] <czajkowski> I've gottent to mee huw and rvba :)
[18:17] <czajkowski> niec to put the face to the names
[18:17] <czajkowski> *gotten
[18:18] <lifeless> cool
[18:20] <czajkowski> lifeless: flacoste isnt here this week
[18:20] <flacoste> lifeless: on the phone with deryck
[18:21] <lifeless> czajkowski: oh, I thought he was ;)
[18:21] <lifeless> flacoste: o/
[18:31] <lifeless> gary_poster: around ?
[18:32] <gary_poster> lifeless, yes.  hey.  I got your email.  I don't have any other branches to land, but I wanted to see if the trunks would all work for us if we put them in a PPA before I replied.  You could go ahead and release optimistically: that will make it easier for me to test
[18:32] <lifeless> gary_poster: you read my mind :)
[18:32] <gary_poster> :-) ok cool
[19:19] <lifeless> gary_poster: testtools 0.9.15 is up
[19:19] <gary_poster> ok cool thanks lifeless will try soon
[20:28] <lifeless> gary_poster: did you end up trying an HVM AMI?
[20:28] <gary_poster> lifeless, no we still have a card for it.  Could well be this week.
[20:36] <flacoste> lifeless: do you want to catch-up?
[20:40] <lifeless> flacoste: I'd love to
[20:40] <lifeless> flacoste: when suits ?
[20:40] <flacoste> lifeless: now?
[20:40] <lifeless> sure
[20:40] <lifeless> hangout? skype?
[20:41] <lifeless> flacoste: ^
[20:46] <nigelb> 6/ws 27
[20:46] <nigelb> grrr
[21:15] <abentley> deryck: btw, listing queued jobs is working, and the next step, finding "ready" jobs that aren't queued is also working.
[21:15] <deryck> abentley, nice!  good news then.
[21:16] <abentley> deryck: Also, bug filed: https://github.com/ask/kombu/issues/126
[21:17] <deryck> abentley, man, that's a nice bug report!  :)  Code and everything! :)
[21:39] <gmb> Has anyone ever seen the following error whilst trying to connect to launchpad.dev:
[21:39] <gmb> An error occurred during a connection to launchpad.dev.
[21:39] <gmb> SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
[21:39] <gmb> (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
[21:40] <gmb> Hmm. Could be a proxy problem...
[21:42] <lifeless> .dev? no.
[21:42] <lifeless> or rather, not I
[21:47] <mwhudson> gmb: that can mean one side thinks it's doing ssl and the other side doesn
[21:47] <mwhudson> 't
[21:48] <mwhudson> gmb: does http://launchpad.dev:443/ "work" ?
[21:48] <gmb> mwhudson, Checking now. It works from within the host machine (this is on ec2 btw)
[21:49] <gmb> mwhudson, Ahh, I see what's happened.
[21:49] <gmb> rf-setup clobbered my apache config.
[21:49] <gmb> Thanks for the hint.
[21:49] <lifeless> orly ? :P
[21:49] <lifeless> gmb: having a fun time at UDS ?
[21:49] <gmb> lifeless, So far :)
[21:49] <gmb> Ask me again after the clinic tomorrow.
[22:05] <wgrant> gmb: What broke about the config?
[22:05] <wgrant> gmb: `make LISTEN_ADDRESS=* install` should now do all the remote access stuff for you
[22:07] <sinzui> jcsackett, mumble?
[22:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:16] <czajkowski> wgrant: a ticket has been assinged to me in RT from toykeeper you were involved with https://support.one.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=13727 user still having issues and has followed your instructions.
[22:27] <wgrant> czajkowski: Looking
[22:28] <czajkowski> wgrant: thanks
[22:28] <wgrant> czajkowski: Huh, how did that site for 3 weeks without being bounced back to us :(
[22:28] <wgrant> s/site/sit/
[22:28] <czajkowski> wgrant: it only got assigned to me yesterday
[22:29] <czajkowski> and has been sitting in the other IS queue till then
[22:29] <wgrant> Dammit
[22:29] <wgrant> That OOPS has expired
[22:30] <wgrant> czajkowski: Anyway, looks like the usual Active/Deactivated thing. He was Active, needed to be Deactivated to get the email address reactivation behaviour.
[22:33] <czajkowski> ah ok
[22:35] <czajkowski> wgrant: confused as to which account https://launchpad.net/~nsates  or https://launchpad.net/~enesates/
[22:36] <wgrant> czajkowski: nsates was merged into enesates
[22:37] <czajkowski> ah
[23:19]  * StevenK staples wallyworld to the Internet.
[23:20] <lifeless> I think you may want to upgrade to a rivet gun.
[23:20] <StevenK> I might hit vital bits.
[23:22] <bigjools> it won't make any difference
[23:52] <lifeless> jelmer: any chance you could look at bug 987938 ?
[23:52] <_mup_> Bug #987938: subunit trunk packaging breaks subunit-* commands <subunit:Incomplete> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/987938 >
[23:53] <lifeless> gary_poster: subunit releases are up; sorry for the delay.
[23:53] <gary_poster> cool thanks lifeless
[23:54] <lifeless> cutting testrepository in a second


[01:38] <ali1234> i was going to ask this on launchpad but i have no idea which project it falls under
[01:38] <ali1234> is it possible to put dynamic information in the tooltips on the launcher?
[01:39] <ali1234> for example: http://imagebin.org/152750
[01:39] <ali1234> in eve online (which has an interface very similar to unity) i mouse over the wallet icon and get the balance
[01:39] <ali1234> that information is available through a simple python api
[01:39] <ali1234> i'd like to put it in the tooltip of the eve icon on unity launcher
[01:39] <ali1234> possible?
[01:43] <ali1234> if that's not possible, how about putting it in the right click menu?
[06:50] <will_> hey guys. ubuntu natty uses custom compiz plugins that presumably aren't available under other distributions running compiz (like the unity plugin). If I wanted to develop compiz with an eye for doing it under ubuntu natty, what would i need to change? any documentation i should be looking at?
[08:45] <mgedmin> ali1234, dunno about tooltips, but some launchers (e.g. Empathy) show some info on the icon itself (e.g. number of unread messages)
[18:05] <coz_>   hey all
[21:45] <ali1234> mgedmin: not a bad idea, i could abbreviate it to "380M" or whatever, since i only care about big changes
[21:46] <ali1234> thing is i need to poll, there's no api that raises an event when it changes
[22:19] <robo__> HI i couldn't work with ubuntu workspace desktop environment can any one resolve it?


[17:46] <Kangarooo> Do Ubuntu Studio also have wallpaper contest 23.10? https://ubunlog.com/en/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-opens-its-wallpaper-contest/
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> No, we only typically do that for the LTS releases.


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[01:07] <lamont> -rwx------ 1 buildd root    550354944 Mar 26 21:59 livecd.edubuntu-dvd-ltsp-20100326.1-i386.squashfs
[01:07] <lamont> woot!
[01:11] <lamont> and 1.111 uploaded
[01:16] <stgraber> lamont: yeah ! thanks
[01:22] <lamont> stgraber: well, it was sorta ex-post-facto, but yeah
[01:22] <lamont> current (20100326.1) has the bits, 0327 is building now
[02:20] <stgraber> lamont: did you get that build log ? (20100327)
[02:20] <stgraber> http://terranova.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/lucid/edubuntu-dvd/current/livecd.edubuntu-dvd-ltsp.squashfs:
[02:20] <stgraber> 02:11:17 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[02:22] <lamont> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[02:24] <lamont> stgraber: somehow, I had the impression this was tested
[02:25] <stgraber> well, that's very weird as I believe that part succeeded in the past didn't it ?
[02:26] <lamont> the image is created mode 600 by mksquashfs - dunno if that's a recent change, but I doubt it
[02:27] <stgraber> hmm, that might explain some things ... in a real LTSP environment the process accessing the image is running as root so it wouldn't be an issue.
[02:27]  * stgraber quickly looks at ltsp-update-image for a call to chmod
[02:27] <lamont> I added a chmod 644
[02:27] <stgraber> thanks
[02:29] <lamont> meanwhile, I chmodded the image
[02:30] <stgraber> I really hope that's the last time I have to ping you to fix things I broke this week ;) ... would be great if Edubuntu started to build as it's supposed to so I can get it tested and then focus on all these other things remaining on my Ubuntu todolist ... (release is getting really close now)
[02:31] <lamont> yeah - if someone wants to tickle just the ISO build, it should work this time - rebuilding the livefs won't right now, it'll 403 again
[02:33] <slangasek> launching an ISO build
[02:33] <stgraber> slangasek: thanks
[02:34] <lamont> ta


[00:02] <Riotta> micahg: could you help me
[00:02] <micahg> Riotta: I can try :)
[00:02] <Riotta> ok
[00:03] <Riotta> I expiriencing bug 441408, with some other ppl it has few duplicates, we tested this bug alot and got some conclusions most of the on the launchpad
[00:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 441408 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[00:04] <Riotta> and I'm wondering if I can do some more to fix this bug or help fixing it (I'm not coder/developer tho)
[00:04] <Riotta> maybe you can change importance of this bug or point me which door should I knock
[00:04] <Riotta> :)
[00:07]  * micahg is looking
[00:10] <Riotta> I also talked to Ubuntu-X team they asked me to test bleeding edge packages of bug causing package which made it worse so I guess in Lucid it can be a showstopper for some ppl
[00:10] <micahg> Riotta: if you're already in touch with Ubuntu-x, I'd say report back to them
[00:11] <Riotta> well I'm not in touch they are like hmm not too much interested
[00:11] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:11] <micahg> xorg 20770
[00:11] <micahg> xorg bug 20770
[00:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 20770 in kdepim "kmail: kamil doesn't install after upgrade to kde 3.4.2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20770
[00:12] <micahg> freedesktop 20770
[00:12] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 20770 in Input/evdev "evdev causes uncontrollable mouse in some SDL apps" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20770
[00:12] <BUGabundo> micahg: you even found a typo :)))
[00:12] <BUGabundo> kamil :p
[00:12] <Riotta> micahg: thanks
[00:12] <micahg> Riotta: I'll add it to the bug
[00:13] <Riotta> love ya
[00:17] <Riotta> I will bug xorg team now
[00:17] <Riotta> lol
[00:19] <micahg> Riotta: I found the upstream bug, but I don't know what information is relevant, so if someone from the xorg team can update upstream with the important info, that would be good
[00:25] <Riotta> micahg: what you mean by important info?
[00:25] <Riotta> what do you need
[00:28] <micahg> Riotta: there should be enough in the bug
[00:28] <micahg> I just don't know what's relavaent
[00:28]  * micahg triages Firefox
[00:28] <Riotta> ok
[01:54] <Riotta> can someone triage bug 462501 with debian bug 549258 if that's possible
[01:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 462501 in libgnome "Missing icons in system menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462501
[01:54] <ubot4`> Debian bug 549258 in libgnome2-0 "libgnome2-0: Menu icons gone after upgrade to 2.28.0-1" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/549258
[01:55] <Riotta> thanks in advance and good night
[01:59] <micahg> for anyone here, bug 462501 is a dupe of bug 407621
[01:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 462501 in libgnome "Missing icons in system menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462501
[01:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621
[01:59]  * micahg already marked it as such
[02:03] <hggdh> micahg: sorry, I guess I overwrote what you did
[02:04] <hggdh> no, I did not. I just commented for nothing
[15:00] <blackxored>  what's the appropiate package to file a bug against the Appearance preferences, which has to do where you're using CCSM, there are no options marked in the visual effects tab, I recall that sometime ago (or maybe I'm wrong and that was in fedora), when you have customized your effects through ccsm, there is a marked option for ccsm or custom, or something like that?
 <blackxored> also the indicator applet doesn't shows pidgin on my system
[15:04] <blackxored> any clues?
[15:04] <blackxored> I will probably go after fixing the indicator applet one if someone can confirm it
[15:04] <yofel> blackxored: to add the option you need to install simple-ccsm iirc
[15:05] <blackxored> yofel, IMHO this should be more obvious
[15:06] <blackxored> I as an medium user and developer, I'm not that fan of desktop effects, but the obvious process is to go after compizconfig-settings-manager package
[15:07] <yofel> blackxored: yes, It took me quite a while to find the other one too
[15:07] <yofel> not sure how to improve that
[15:08] <yofel> maybe add a button to gnome-appearance-properties that allowes you to install simple-ccsm
[15:10] <yofel> blackxored: well anyway, to anwser your original question: gnome-appearance-properties is part of the gnome-control-center package
[15:13] <blackxored> yofel, or make compizconfig-settings-manager recommend simple-ccsm seems simpler
[15:14] <blackxored> yofel, but looking at the pkg's description that doesn't seem a good solution at all
[15:16] <yofel> well, I have no idea what would be better in this case
[15:16] <blackxored> where I can find the most common uploaders
[15:16] <blackxored> of both packages
[15:16] <blackxored> for discussing this
[15:16] <blackxored> ??
[15:16] <blackxored> also, pidgin isn't showing at indicator-applet
[15:22] <yofel> blackxored: you generally want to talk to the maintaner of ccsm and simple-ccsm
[15:22] <yofel> blackxored: that would be mvo. Ping him when he's online
[15:24] <yofel> blackxored: and did you first ask about the pidgin issue in #ubuntu? That's where support questions should be asked first.
[15:24] <blackxored> yofel, I'll ask again, although I did days ago
[15:24] <yofel> well, I'm a KDE user so I can't help you there
[15:54] <Riotta> hi
[15:54]  * WeatherGod waves
[15:56] <Riotta> can somebody triage bug 441408 with xorg bug 24737
[15:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 441408 in xorg-server "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[15:56] <Riotta> thanks with advance
[15:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 24737 in gnome-applets "Keyboard indicator: Funky graphics" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24737
[15:56] <Riotta> it has patch release for fixing this bug
[15:58] <WeatherGod> Riotta, what more do you want for the xorg one?
[15:58] <WeatherGod> it is marked as Triaged and confirmed
[15:58] <Riotta> yeah but it's triaged with bug which has less relevant information
[15:59] <Riotta> and hasn't got a fix present
[15:59] <WeatherGod> ?
[15:59] <WeatherGod> "its triaged with bug which has less relevant information"?
[16:00] <Riotta> well I think if you will triage it with xorg bug 24737 it will be better than xorg bug 20770
[16:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 24737 in gnome-applets "Keyboard indicator: Funky graphics" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24737
[16:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 20770 in kdepim "kmail: kamil doesn't install after upgrade to kde 3.4.2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20770
[16:01] <Riotta> as it got more needed information for fixing the bug permanently
[16:01] <WeatherGod> if it is a dupe, then mark it as such, but you don't "triage it with" some other bug, I don't think
[16:02] <WeatherGod> I guess I am not understanding what is going on here... it is still pretty early in the morning for me
[16:02] <Riotta> yeah
[16:02] <Riotta> maybe I don't understand triaging
[16:03] <Riotta> tell me if that's right
[16:03] <WeatherGod> as far as I can tell, your job is done for those two bug reports
[16:04] <WeatherGod> you don't have to see bugs to their resolution most of the time
[16:04] <Riotta> I think micahg yesterday found on xorg bugzilla xorg bug 20770 which triaged with my bug
[16:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 20770 in kdepim "kmail: kamil doesn't install after upgrade to kde 3.4.2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20770
[16:04] <Riotta> micahg Riotta: I found the upstream bug, but I don't know what information is relevant, so if someone from the xorg team can update upstream with the important info, that would be good
[16:04] <WeatherGod> oh, I think I now know what you are saying
[16:05] <WeatherGod> ok, don't say triaged in this sense
[16:05] <WeatherGod> it is linked upstream
[16:05] <WeatherGod> and when talking about upstream bugs, avoid doing the "bug #" thing, because the bots bring up the wrong bug report
[16:05] <Riotta> and today after some time of deep search I finally found the right xorg bug and I think it has more relevant info + working clean fix
[16:06] <Riotta> okay I keep that in mind
[16:06] <micahg> WeatherGod: the bot can pull upstream bugs if labeled properly
[16:06] <WeatherGod> ok, then use the Also affects project link and set it to another upstream bug report
[16:06] <micahg> like freedesktop 20770
[16:06] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 20770 in Input/evdev "evdev causes uncontrollable mouse in some SDL apps" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20770
[16:06] <WeatherGod> ah, cool
[16:06] <WeatherGod> good to know
[16:07] <Riotta> so dunno if you should re-triage this bug with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24737 this one which I think is more relevant
[16:07] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 24737 in Input/evdev "Erratic mouse behavior using xf86-input-evdev-2.3.0" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[16:07] <WeatherGod> re-link!
[16:07] <Riotta> or re-link ye
[16:08] <WeatherGod> possibly
[16:09] <WeatherGod> what is the key difference?
[16:10] <Riotta> 20770 got less information in my eyes it's incomplete even
[16:11] <Riotta> and freedesktop 24737 has plenty of information + fix
[16:11] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 24737 in Input/evdev "Erratic mouse behavior using xf86-input-evdev-2.3.0" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24737
[16:11] <WeatherGod> well, the key thing to assess is if the bug is the same thing or not
[16:12] <WeatherGod> it is kind of like saying that a particular bug report dealing with lack of sound is better than another because it had more info
[16:12] <WeatherGod> the symptom could be caused differently
[16:12] <Riotta> they are the same just one is poorly filled
[16:12] <WeatherGod> are they?
[16:12] <Riotta> yeah
[16:14] <WeatherGod> the new bug report is explicitly against a particular brand of mouse
[16:14] <WeatherGod> A4Tech X-750F
[16:15] <WeatherGod> and the fix is against that mouse...
[16:15] <Riotta> bug 441408 is all about A4tech X7 mice
[16:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 441408 in xorg-server "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[16:15] <WeatherGod> ah, then perfect
[16:16] <Riotta> and that other mice, trust and criminal are only rebranded a4tech's
[16:16] <WeatherGod> then yes, this would be appropriate to re-link this bug against that report
[16:16] <Riotta> so I think personally that it's better to link it it with that
[16:17] <WeatherGod> it also would probably be good to poke the other freedesktop bug to let them know of the possible dupe
[16:17] <Riotta> cool
[16:17]  * micahg is in a session right now, will look in 45 minutes
[16:17] <Riotta> yeah I agree
[16:18] <WeatherGod> Riotta, good catch
[16:44] <mac_v>  micahg: crap , my comment on copy paste bug is biting me in the ass! after 2 months :(
[16:57] <mac_v> hehe , seems the user Patrick is pretty pissed and is ranting on a couple of other bugs too... yay :)
[17:09] <mrand> Grrr... the duplicates meeting at noon is my last chance to attend a bug related session, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get away from the office.   Sorry that I'm going to miss you guys.
[17:19] <WeatherGod> I need a second opinion for bug 484141
[17:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484141 in linux "Wireless & Bluetooth on/off inconsistency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484141
[17:19] <WeatherGod> I think it is a hotkey issue, but not sure
[17:24] <WeatherGod> !info ganeti2
[17:24] <ubot4`> WeatherGod: Package ganeti2 does not exist in karmic
[17:24] <WeatherGod> !info ganeti
[17:24] <ubot4`> WeatherGod: ganeti (source: ganeti): Cluster-based virtualization management software. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.7-1 (karmic), package size 689 kB, installed size 1680 kB
[17:42] <Riotta> thanks micahg
[17:51] <micahg> np Riotta
[17:51] <micahg> thank you Riotta for finding the better upstream bug :)
[17:51] <Riotta> :)
[17:58] <WeatherGod> micahg, can I get a second opinion on bug 484141?
[17:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484141 in linux "Wireless & Bluetooth on/off inconsistency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484141
[17:58] <WeatherGod> I think it belongs to hotkey, but I am not sure
[17:58] <micahg> WeatherGod: in session right now
[17:58]  * micahg will check in an hour
[17:58] <WeatherGod> np
[18:11] <althara> is anyone here in the Seattle area?
[18:17] <WeatherGod> this report looks like a serious one: bug 484514
[18:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484514 in linux "Fan never powers up causing cpu overheating and shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484514
[18:17] <WeatherGod> probably might be an acpi issue, but I am hardly an expert on that
[18:49] <FFEMTcJ> can someone please wishlist bug 485962
[18:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485962 in gobby "Only make "readable" colors available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485962
[18:49] <FFEMTcJ> and also bug 485959
[18:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485959 in indicator-applet "Support customizable notification aggressiveness levels for different applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485959
[18:50] <_lars_> FFEMTcJ: 485962 would be a thing upstream should do, and not ubuntu imho
[18:50] <micahg> _lars_: wishlisting has nothing to do with upstream or not
[18:51] <_lars_> ok, sorry :)
[18:52] <micahg> _lars_: np, you can upstream the bug if you like :)
[18:52] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: if you dont mind.. id like to learn how to upstream
[18:52] <WeatherGod> for the notification aggressiveness, isn't that already something in gtk?
[18:52] <FFEMTcJ> would you help walk me through it?
[18:53] <micahg> WeatherGod: idk
[18:53] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: go to the upstream tracker, search for duplicates, if no duplicate, file a new bug referencing LP bug, add a bug task in LP to upstream bug
[18:54] <FFEMTcJ> it would be gnome correct?
[18:54] <micahg> for gobby?
[18:54] <WeatherGod> _lars_, I think I see what the OR is requesting
[18:55] <FFEMTcJ> yes
[18:55] <micahg> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/report
[18:55] <micahg> they use trac
[18:55] <FFEMTcJ> i just found that
[18:56] <FFEMTcJ> heh
[18:56] <WeatherGod> _lars_, if I remember correctly from the days when I dabbled in gtk, I think programmers can set an "aggressiveness" level...
[18:56] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: i wishlisted both bugs
[18:56] <FFEMTcJ> ty micahg
[18:57] <WeatherGod> however, I think the OR is asking for the ability to customize the behavior of those aggressiveness levels
[18:57] <WeatherGod> I am not aware of that feature in Gnome
[18:57] <WeatherGod> would be interesting to see such a thing
[19:02] <WeatherGod> could someone wishlist bug 484754?
[19:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484754 in gedit "auto insert space between two characters for Kannada text as in word document" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484754
[19:04] <WeatherGod> well, I think it is a wishlist item... maybe it really is a bug in the display of those unicode characters?
[19:04] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: does that look correct to you? bug 485962
[19:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485962 in gobby "Only make "readable" colors available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485962
[19:04] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[19:05] <WeatherGod> thanks
[19:06] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: looks fine :)
[19:06] <FFEMTcJ> ty.
[19:06]  * micahg will mark triaged
[19:07] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: oh, you might want to add the image from the user
[19:09] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[19:09] <WeatherGod> I think bug 484786 ought to be marked as CVE?  or some sort of security flag?
[19:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484786 in apparmor "Too easy to circumvent AppArmor using btrfs snapshots" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484786
[19:11] <micahg> WeatherGod: you can flag a security by clicking next to this report is public on top
[19:11] <WeatherGod> ok, will do
[19:12] <FFEMTcJ> bug 485076 should be wishlisted... i dont see a problem with it, but it is true
[19:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485076 in gobby "Closing Gobby opens confirmation alert with the word "nevertheless"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485076
[19:13] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: that would be Low actually
[19:13] <micahg> since the point is incorrect grammar usage
[19:13] <FFEMTcJ> is it incorrect though?
[19:13] <micahg> idk
[19:13] <WeatherGod> yes
[19:13] <WeatherGod> very much so
[19:13] <WeatherGod> I *hate* that word
[19:14] <WeatherGod> makes me cringe
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> I guess nevertheless do you want to close gobby would be more correct
[19:14] <klslowik> hi, everybody
[19:14]  * WeatherGod smacks FFEMTcJ
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> well, i cant make it low either... lol
[19:14] <WeatherGod> I would mark it as a string fix
[19:14] <micahg> hi klslowik
[19:14] <klslowik> I find some problem with install root-system in ubuntu 9-10
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> and should that also be upstreamed then?
[19:15] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes
[19:15] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: I'll mark it low then
[19:15] <WeatherGod> heh, go figure... it is in Merriam-Webster
[19:15] <FFEMTcJ> should i be able to mark it low? or is that reserved to members also?
[19:15] <klslowik> I have problem with dependences libkrb53
[19:16] <micahg> WeatherGod: with that usage?
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> WeatherGod: i know it is a word
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> i just dont know if the usage is correct..
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> i think the way i wrote it would be 'more correct'
[19:16] <WeatherGod> it means "in spite of"
[19:17] <FFEMTcJ> right.. inspite of still being connected, do you want to close
[19:17] <WeatherGod> still, the message should be simple
[19:17] <WeatherGod> so, say "in spite of"
[19:17] <FFEMTcJ> lmao
[19:17] <WeatherGod> shorter than nevertheless
[19:17] <FFEMTcJ> nevertheless, i have reported it to gobby
[19:18]  * WeatherGod smacks FFEMTcJ
[19:18] <FFEMTcJ> ;-)
[19:18] <WeatherGod> usually, I am not a grammar nazi....
[19:18] <FFEMTcJ> bs
[19:18] <WeatherGod> no, really!
[19:18] <micahg> nevertheless, using nevertheless is spiteful :D
[19:18] <WeatherGod> I just really don't like "nevertheless"
[19:19] <WeatherGod> hehe
[19:19] <WeatherGod> same with "nonetheless"
[19:19]  * FFEMTcJ takes not to use nonetheless and nevertheless in ubuntu-bugs whenever possible
[19:20] <WeatherGod> thanks
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> anything for you
[19:20] <micahg> WeatherGod: I marked the security vulnerability as private for the moment
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> uh oh
[19:20] <WeatherGod> ok... it does seem to be one of those law of unexpected consequences things
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> what the crap is up with launchpad
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> i keep getting timeouts
[19:23] <WeatherGod> dunno, works fine for me
[19:23] <FFEMTcJ> would the most recient comment saying its been fixed in the experimental version (the color bug) change the status at all?
[19:24] <klslowik> my other problem with notif-osd. when I upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 my notif window have only green background with no message
[19:24] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: it will when it's polled
[19:25] <WeatherGod> klslowik, sorry for ignoring you there...
[19:25] <FFEMTcJ> k
[19:25] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: which bug?
[19:25] <WeatherGod> kinda got lost in my grammar rant...
[19:25] <klslowik> :)
[19:25] <WeatherGod> klslowik, so what seems to be the issue?
[19:26] <FFEMTcJ> bug 485962
[19:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485962 in gobby "Only make "readable" colors available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485962
[19:26] <klslowik> in 9.04 I have message window on black background and when I upgrade to 9.10 message wndow loks like some graphics card crasches
[19:27] <klslowik> I have ATI Mobile RADEON 7500 card
[19:27] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: I updated the status/importance on bug 485076
[19:27] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485076 in gobby "Closing Gobby opens confirmation alert with the word "nevertheless"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485076
[19:27] <WeatherGod> klslowik, does it crash, or just looks like a mess?
[19:28] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes
[19:29] <klslowik> when graphics card crasches its generate some random picture, in notif-osd in 9.10 my message window look like this
[19:29] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: I forgot one thing about upstreaming :) test with latest devel release if possible :)
[19:29] <micahg> if it's a wishlist item
[19:30] <WeatherGod> klslowik, I think you ought to file a bug report, and upload a screenshot
[19:30] <klslowik> ok
[19:30] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: im confused.. would it still be triaged?
[19:30] <WeatherGod> file it against the notif, but be sure to mention the graphics card
[19:30] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes
[19:30] <klslowik> where can I send it ?
[19:30] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[19:30] <micahg> but maybe not upstreamed
[19:30] <micahg> ugh, I guess I confused myself
[19:31] <WeatherGod> klslowik, you using 9.10 right now?
[19:31] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[19:31] <klslowik> no, I install again 9.04 where everything it's ok
[19:31] <WeatherGod> ok, then use bugs.launchpad.net to report the bug
[19:32] <klslowik> but I can to upgrade again to 9.10
[19:32] <WeatherGod> but be sure to mention that it is for 9.10
[19:32] <klslowik> ok, thank you very much
[19:32] <WeatherGod> yeah, we will need the screenshot to understand the issue better
[19:32] <WeatherGod> so upgrading to 9.10 would be good to do
[19:33] <WeatherGod> and then you can use ubuntu-bug to report a problem automatically
[19:33] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: if it's fixed upstream and not in ubuntu, it won't affect the ubuntu bug task
[19:33] <micahg> !status | FFEMTcJ
[19:33] <ubot4`> Factoid 'status' not found
[19:33] <micahg> ugh
[19:34] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[19:38] <WeatherGod> michag, have you looked at bug 484514 yet?
[19:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484514 in linux "Fan never powers up causing cpu overheating and shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484514
[19:48] <WeatherGod> got another fan one here as well... bug 484875
[19:48] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484875 in linux "Nvidia GPU overheating on Toshiba P100" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484875
[19:54] <micahg> WeatherGod: have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[19:55] <WeatherGod> no, I haven't... this is good info to have
[19:56] <micahg> WeatherGod: most of the information should be added by apport now
[19:57] <WeatherGod> is there a package hook, like acpid?
[19:57] <micahg> no, it's the linux package
[19:58] <WeatherGod> ok, so I see the uname and lspci...
[19:59] <WeatherGod> ok, I am gonna have them add some more info
[19:59] <micahg> what else, I think everything is there already
[19:59] <micahg> dmidecode is in the description already
[19:59] <WeatherGod> dmidecode?
[19:59] <micahg> the bios info
[20:00] <WeatherGod> oh.... right.... that's in the summary
[20:00] <WeatherGod> duh
[20:01] <WeatherGod> and then proc stuff would have the acpi info
[20:01] <micahg> probably
[20:02] <WeatherGod> and then the one with the problem on resume should follow the DebuggingKernelSuspend proceedure
[20:07] <micahg> most likely
[20:41] <WeatherGod> bug 485041 should either be a wishlist or hundred papercuts
[20:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485041 in network-manager-applet "Order of available wireless networks should be by strength, not alphabetical." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485041
[20:42] <WeatherGod> should also be fairly easy to address
[20:45] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[20:45] <WeatherGod> thanks
[20:45] <micahg> WeatherGod: still needs to be triaged
[20:47] <WeatherGod> in what way?
[20:54] <WeatherGod> are there any SOPs for foobar-ed system upgrades (from Intrepid to Karmic)?
[21:34] <hggdh> Just a warning: I will be unavailable until the end of next week. someone please keep looking at the mentorship requests
[21:34] <hggdh> and... I am gone. See you all next next week ;-)
[21:37] <qense> panic! What shall we do now?! \n More serious though, is anyone else actually keeping a list of the mentorship requests?
[21:38] <pedro_> qense, yes
[21:38] <qense> good, is there a wiki page for it?
[21:38] <pedro_> qense, the list is at the wiki page now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[21:39] <qense> thanks
[21:42] <dogatemycomputer> Greetings.   I would like to learn how to Triage bugs.  Is there someone who has some time (either now or later) to go through Triaging a couple dozen bugs with me?
[21:42] <qense> dogatemycomputer: I would suggest to sign up for the mentorship program. It is explained in detail at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[21:43] <qense> You can sign up for it by sending a mail to our mailist, but please make sure you read the requirements first.
[21:43] <dogatemycomputer> I went through the process and sent an email as per the wiki but have not received a response.  I assume someone will eventually get back to me?
[21:43] <qense> lets have a look if you're on the list
[21:43] <qense> what name did you use when sending the mail?
[21:44] <dogatemycomputer> I sent the email with a brief introduction/timezone/time available, provided my launchpad ID, signed the code of conduct and have been hanging out on IRC when I have time.
[21:44] <dogatemycomputer><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:44] <dogatemycomputer> or dogatemycomputer .. not sure which 'name' you were referring too.
[21:45] <dogatemycomputer> David Walker
[21:45] <qense> I see
[21:45] <dogatemycomputer> Should I send another email?  I'm happy too.   I just assumed they were busy.
[21:45] <qense> You're not on the list yet, we're in a transition stage, so you must have been missed out. I'm adding you now.
[21:46] <dogatemycomputer> I appreciate your assistance!
[21:46] <qense> you're welcome
[21:46] <dogatemycomputer> I guess I shall wait for someone to contact me then?
[21:47] <qense> dogatemycomputer: did you read this? https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/msg00429.html
[21:48] <dogatemycomputer> No.  I never received anything.   I will sign up for the list.  My mistake!
[21:48] <qense> I can't find the details you said you provided in your application, but you were added to the column of students of Greg-G
[21:48] <qense> not your mistake, you can't subcribe
[21:48] <qense> he should have CC'ed you, you can't join the list without being a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol
[21:49] <qense> if you want to be a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol you need to have demonstrated you can triage bugs properly
[21:49] <dogatemycomputer> Ahh..   Okay.. I don't see his email in the posting.   How should I follow-up with him?
[21:49] <qense> ping greg-g
[21:50] <qense> now we've written down his IRC nick and he should be noticed ;)
[21:50] <dogatemycomputer> Ahh.. I was going to "email him at this address with any questions" so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss his email address.
[21:51] <dogatemycomputer> I'll drop him a line here.
[21:51] <dogatemycomputer> I sent him a message.  Thank you for your help!   I will now wait for his response.
[21:52] <qense> he should have noticed me mentioning his IRC name, maybe he'll appear here soon.
[21:52] <qense> you're still welcome
[22:15] <dogatemycomputer> When in college we used to leave ourselves logged into IRC even when away.  Is that still appropriate here?
[22:36] <dogatemycomputer> I guess that answers my question.  :-)
[22:36] <mrand> dogatemycomputer: yes, as long as you can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:37] <dogatemycomputer> I should have known there would be a wiki for that!  :-)
[22:38] <mrand> Yep - when in doubt, go looking the wiki page ;-)
[22:38] <Riotta> ubuntu has wiki for almost everything :D
[22:39] <dogatemycomputer> I love it:   "Don't be annoying"
[22:40] <dogatemycomputer> It is sad you have to put that in a Wiki.   Of course if it is missing from the Wiki then someone would say, "It doesn't say I can't be annoying."
[22:40] <qense> judy: did you have a look at the ~/.cups/lpoptions file?
[22:41] <judy> qense, hey, didn't I just see you somewhere?  :)
[22:42] <judy> qense, I have no ~/.cups
[22:42] <qense> ok
[22:43] <qense> What about /etc/cups/lpoptions and /etc/cups/printers.conf ?
[22:44] <judy> qense, I don't have an lpoptions in /etc/cups either...
[22:44] <qense> ok, that doesn't matter
[22:44] <qense> what is in /etc/cups/printers.conf ?
[22:45] <judy> qense, http://pastebin.com/m796aa325
[22:45] <qense> It is weird you're still having troubles, because bug 382379 should have been closed at 2009-06-29
[22:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 382379 in poppler "pdftops CUPS filter has several problems" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382379
[22:45] <judy> That's what I was thinking
[22:46] <qense> What drivers are you using for your printer?
[22:46] <judy> I got them from brother
[22:46] <judy> the glp-ed ones fo rthe 7820N
[22:49] <qense> Do you have brother-cups-wrapper-laser installed and is the driver you mentioned from that pachage?
[22:49] <qense> You could try the Debian drivers from Brother - Printing & Scanning & Fax drivers.
[22:50] <judy> I've got those, I think I instlaled the laser wrappers as well.  I'm heading out for a week though, so I'll let this sit until I get back
[22:51] <judy> Thank you so much though for helping; hopefully I talk ot you when I get back
[22:52] <qense> I'm off as well. bye!
[23:18] <utnubuuser> Hello - I recently set my thinkpad up with a second monitor, then tried to switch to console with Alt+F2.  Though the dual-monitor works ok under xserver, when I switched to console, the text was almost illegibly faint.
[23:21] <utnubuuser> This is in Hardy Heron on a Thinkpad X31.  I'm posting this here, because I couldn't file a bug a lauchchpad successfully.  (keeps timing out).  If someone here is able to file a report for me...  I can found on the Ubuntu forums as utnubuuser if direct contact is preferred.  Thanks


[18:14] <philipballew> pleia2, thank you for sending them email for the pack, as to how many dvd's we would like, I would like as many as you can get.
[18:15] <pleia2> yeah I went with 300 because it's high, but not unreasonable I think
[18:15] <pleia2> (we'll see what you actually end up with :))
[18:17] <philipballew> If not, I can use spread ubuntu dot com to make some more.
[18:17] <philipballew> :)
[18:17] <philipballew> Having a somewhat nicer day today I assume?
[18:17] <pleia2> we have our team cd-sleeves that we've used in the past :)
[18:17] <philipballew> ah, yes, daves' (iheartubuntu) stuff.
[18:18] <pleia2> nah, the ones made years ago
[18:18] <philipballew> VINTAGE!
[18:18] <pleia2> I think he updated them for the 2010 branding?
[18:18] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+junk/2010branding-sleeves
[18:18] <darthrobot> Title: [2010branding-sleeves : Code : “Ubuntu California” team]
[18:19] <pleia2> but yeah, he printed out a bunch in 2011
[18:19] <philipballew> alright, I can roll with this.
[18:19] <philipballew> will this package just show up, or will I become aware that it is on its way?
[18:20] <pleia2> annoyingly it'll just show up


[00:00] <yu210148> Humm.... just did tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and it's complaining about no upnp backends found
[00:05] <yu210148> ...installing gnupnp as a backend...
[00:07] <yu210148> nope, same message when starting mythbackend
[00:09] <yu210148> perhaps a firewall issue...
[00:13] <yu210148> anyone know what port I need to open for upnp in the master backend's firewall?
[00:14] <yu210148> or am I completely barking up the wrong tree?
[00:29] <yu210148> nevermind, clearly it's not a firewall issue.
[00:30] <yu210148> it's the local machine that's complaining about not finding a video start up directory
[00:30] <yu210148> not the slave
[00:31] <yu210148> and I tried it with the firewall down and still getting the same message from mythtvbackend
[02:23] <Hotmanta> Hotmanta
[02:24] <Hotmanta> hello
[02:24] <Hotmanta> Testing anyone there?
[03:22] <iamlindoro> yes, we can all hear you, and now you are bound to be taken extremely seriously
[04:57] <Hotmanta> good, just testing empathy client works properly with IRC, thanks for the reply.
[05:14] <x_> installed mythbuntu on second harddrive via, online install and it does not boot.
[07:16] <mcastles> where does mythbuntu control center set x11vnc to startup? I want to modify it to use a lower bid depth and resolution
[14:17] <greg________> Hi guys would anyone be able to help me with lirc..... i want to use a microsoft media centre usb ir receiver (phillips ehome) with a hauppage nova t remote
[15:58] <DartmanX> i just installed and rebooted, but only get a blank "crisscross" screen when mythfrontend tries start
[15:59] <DartmanX> I didnt have network connectivity when I installed, I chose nvidia proprietary driver on setup
[16:02] <DartmanX> okay, update, I guess its just a problem with mythfrontend not wanting to start, eventually I get the desktop and muthbuntu control center starts up
[16:14] <DartmanX> is there an automated tool to set up WPA wireless networking?
[18:05] <noaXess_kubuntu> hi all..
[18:07] <noaXess_kubuntu> have enabled autobuilds from mythbuntu, since i have upgraded to the newest 0.22 version, forward jumping while watching a recorded show is very slow..
[18:22] <darthanubis> Launchpad is broken for me. Can't file pug against mythweb/mythbuntu rss broken on record page.
[18:28] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/502129
[18:28] <darthanubis> had some help filing it
[18:38] <aclose> good morning (in US/Central) and Happy New Year :)
[18:41] <noaXess_kubuntu> same from switzerland.. :)
[19:36] <gwillakers> how do I enable the mythweb remote control in mythbuntu 9.10??
[21:53] <foxbuntu>  /join #ubuntu-mythtv-dv
[22:03] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu fails
[22:21] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, big time


[00:12] <Unit193> Wait, not working for you?  It should, I've got it on artful/amd64, artful/i386 and zesty/i386. :3
[00:56] <bluesabre> Evening all
[00:56] <bluesabre> Not sure what happened, flocculant let me know what I can do to help
[00:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: it's all context sensitive, Parole's "Clear History" just clears it from the recent items, the playlist is session-based unless the setting is toggled to persist across sessions
[01:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: making some good progress on the pa plugin currently, got some stuff that compiles, and a screenshot that I hope to achieve https://i.imgur.com/pCXUY9S.png
[01:12] <flocculant> Unit193: who knows - the new one appears to do sod all
[01:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: works here - in the real world - not sure what Dave is seeing tbh - just responding to cooment on tracker tab
[01:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oooh, shiny!
[01:13] <flocculant> Unit193: I like shiny
[01:13] <Unit193> flocculant: OK, is indicator-application installed and running?
[01:13] <flocculant> covers up all the bad things :p
[01:14] <flocculant> Unit193: not sure tbh - not convinced reboot happened
[01:16] <flocculant> ii  xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin   0.1.0-0ppa1~17.10
[01:18] <Unit193> OK, just make sure indicator-application isn't running, and that statusnotifier is added to the panel of course.
[01:19] <flocculant> wolf      3979  3836  0 02:18 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin
[01:19] <flocculant> could be - not convinced about reboot
[01:19] <flocculant> ^^
[01:19] <Unit193> Nope, you'd grep for statusnotifier
[01:20] <flocculant> wolf      3992  3836  0 02:20 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto *statusnotifier-plugin
[01:20] <flocculant> brb
[01:21] <Unit193> unit193    2434  0.0  0.7<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   Jul24   0:21  \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/wrapper-2.0 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libstatusnotifier.so 24 12582940 statusnotifier Status Notifier Plugin Provides a panel area for status notifier items (application indicators)
[01:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: But seriously, that's pretty fantastic.  I don't suppose you've poked andrzejr?
[01:21] <flocculant> webootid
[01:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll poke him once I have something functional
[01:22] <flocculant> Unit193 bluesabre - tbh not really sure wht this plugin gives us, nor sure what difference to what we had
[01:23] <ninetls> flocculant: hide "Application Indicator" from indicator-plugin, restart it (pkill panel-.*-indica), kill service (pkill indicator-applic), sn-plugin should work then
[01:23] <flocculant> and to be completewly frank
[01:23] <ninetls> bluesabre: nice!
[01:23] <flocculant> I have no ide what idea ANY of the things I grab from ooa's give me any more
[01:23] <flocculant> and I don't knwo if Dave is about
[01:23] <bluesabre> a headache? :D
[01:24] <flocculant> and I've got a whole shit load of stuff to do next year - none of which actually need a pc at all :p
[01:25] <Unit193> flocculant: It being Xfce upstream is certainly a plus, it's actually maintained whereas -application will be less and less.  indicator-application covers a minimal portion of the 'indicator' spec whereas statusnotifier covers more, and better.  The indicators keep changing, it's been more and more of a pain to keep them working with xfce4-indicator-plugin, even now if they're terminated wrong, the
[01:25] <Unit193> icons will disappear with the applications still running..
[01:25] <Unit193> ninetls: That about cover it?
[01:26] <ninetls> Unit193: didn't understand!
[01:26] <Unit193> Dowh. :(
[01:26] <ninetls> > That about cover it?
[01:26] <flocculant> yea icons disappeared - but given I wasn't actually expecting that - nor them randomly appearing it just felt like some of that
[01:27] <ninetls> really don't know how to translate it correctly
[01:27] <flocculant> xfec do shit and then eventually tell people and THEN it is normal
[01:28] <Unit193> ninetls: "Did I cover the various ways the panel plugin statusnotifier is better, in Ubuntu, than using xfce4-indicator-plugin with indicator-application" :D
[01:28] <ninetls> nice!
[01:28] <ninetls> I understand this!
[01:28] <ninetls> !!
[01:28] <ninetls> yes
[01:29] <Unit193> flocculant: As long as the plugin is loaded into the panel, ie you added it, then you should be set.
[01:29] <Unit193> xfce4-panel --add statusnotifier
[01:30] <ninetls> wow
[01:30] <ninetls> panel can even this?
[01:30] <ninetls> I didn't know about this command!
[01:31] <Unit193> It'll ask you which panel if you have two, but yeah.
[01:31] <Unit193> -a just brings up the dialog for selecting the plugin.
[03:05] <bluesabre> a bit more progress, http://imgur.com/a/2yvOz :)
[03:05] <bluesabre> night all
[03:06] <flocculant> oooh
[03:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: that soundy stuff - share it with me - I alsa for music for usb/dac
[03:07] <flocculant> so can test it outside pulse
[03:08] <bluesabre> ah
[03:08] <bluesabre> not sure pulseaudio-plugin works well with alsa, but maybe it does? :D
[03:08] <flocculant> :D
[03:09] <bluesabre> anywho, will notify folks when I have something functional
[03:09] <flocculant> well atm it fails as well as the other plugin - eg does zilch :)
[03:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you've got a goit one that sees medfia players - I will happily test that
[14:07] <bluesabre> thoughts? http://imgur.com/a/CGbBu
[14:08] <knome> about what exactly? :)
[14:08] <bluesabre> working on adding sound-indicator powers to the pulseaudio-plugin
[14:08] <knome> generally looks good to me
[14:09] <bluesabre> the media players specifically :)
[14:09] <knome> no complaints
[14:10] <bluesabre> cool
[14:10] <bluesabre> might have this working by the end of the weekend :)
[14:12] <knome> :)
[14:26] <knome> i wish i could say the same about my own project :P
[14:28] <GridCube> looks good
[14:28] <knome> at least i'm making some progress
[17:14] <Unit193> Indicator seems to do song info and album art.
[17:24] <knome> from my POV as somebody who doesn't use the indicator but listens to a lot of music with correct metadata, i'd say the album art would be just a waste of space and resources there. song information probably good to add if it isn't too hard
[17:24] <knome> or add it later
[17:27] <Unit193> I can live with that very easily, better to ask someone else (notice the wording), I think having mpris integration is nice, but wouldn't be a showstopper for me personally.
[18:15] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, just doing a minimal support version initially
[18:15] <bluesabre> Though, the most value is just being able to pause or switch tracks easily
[18:16] <Unit193> Can't do anything with pianobar. :(
[18:16] <bluesabre> Add mpris to pianobar :D
[18:17] <Unit193> https://github.com/PromyLOPh/pianobar/issues/567
[19:16] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: I'm back of holiday now


[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:10] <daftykins> o/
[08:36] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:36] <daftykins> mornin'
[08:36] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:44] <czajkowski> sw/c
[09:05] <diddledan> marnin
[09:06] <daftykins> diddledan: this is too early for you!
[09:06] <diddledan> indeed :-p
[09:27] <shauno> or late?
[09:27] <m6lpi> wheee thunder
[09:28] <daftykins> ah you might be getting the storm we had overnight
[09:28] <daftykins> my mate in Jersey had it first then i did later on
[09:28] <daftykins> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[09:28] <daftykins> it's a big'un
[09:30] <m6lpi> I was up a metal ladder when it started
[09:30] <shauno> reminds me, I picked up a guernsey tuppence somewhere.  never crossed my mind you'd have your own moneys
[09:30] <m6lpi> didn't stay there long
[09:30]  * m6lpi in Portsmouth
[09:30] <daftykins> ah-har i was at Uni there
[09:31] <daftykins> had a place in Southsea for a few years
[09:31] <daftykins> shauno: it's superior :D i love my £1 notes
[09:34] <m6lpi> you guys still have £1 notes, that's cool
[09:35] <daftykins> yip :) got our own notes and coins too
[09:35] <daftykins> can't really spend them when coming over to England mind you
[09:35] <shauno> good :)
[09:35] <daftykins> except at points of ingress
[09:36] <shauno> save you getting all ranty like the scots
[09:36] <daftykins> hmm? going on about "we should be able to use this here" or similar?
[09:36] <shauno> yeah
[09:36] <daftykins> i learnt the lesson the hard way on holiday in Cornwall
[09:37] <daftykins> my dad sent me to buy something i wanted by myself as a wee one, handed over the green £1 note...
[09:37] <daftykins> "what on earth is this" shopkeep says
[09:37] <shauno> scottish notes are technically no different, but many places don't like high-value notes if they're not familiar enough with them to know a dud from a good'un
[09:38] <daftykins> ah yeah, that's fair
[09:38] <daftykins> i know the landlord in my local pub was very keen to play with the UV light and my local money
[09:39] <daftykins> m6lpi: if the folks are still running the Rutland Arms beside Devonshire square - just down from the Lidl and Fratton train station, that's a good spot for some ale if you're a fan :)
[09:39] <shauno> that, and I think it's 3? different banks maintain their own notes up there, which makes them look even funnier
[09:39] <daftykins> three! cor
[09:40] <shauno> it's somewhat logical that since the bank of england issue ours, the bank of scotland issue theirs.  but so do rbs and clydesdale bank
[09:41] <daftykins> didn't something confusing just happen with RBS o0
[09:41] <shauno> I dunno about confusing .. the state just sold a bunch of their stake back
[09:42] <shauno> they took a share when they bailed them out, so they'd have a say in how it was used.  now it's no longer required they gave it back
[09:42] <daftykins> well there's a big RBS office near me, they had a cashpoint on the side that was labelled as RBS before, but now it's NatWest - now i know one owned the other or vice versa but i wasn't quite sure what prompted that swap
[09:42] <shauno> it's only really notable because if the intent was turning a profit on their share, now wasn't a good time to do so
[11:08] <diplo> One of our customer sites just got hit with Crypto Locker, seems they've not been changing their tapes on back up drive
[11:08] <diplo> Most of data lost :/
[11:08] <daftykins> >_<
[11:09] <daftykins> wow, i thought that thing was dead
[11:09] <m6lpi> daftykins: I work in Portsmouth... I don't socialise here...
[11:09] <daftykins> ah ok
[11:10] <diplo> Guess not :/ we don't do their PC support but offer samba shares to them from our software
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> not changing their backup tapes... i'm surprised these days when they do take care of their tapes...
[11:10] <diplo> Guy said, well it would help if we need to authorise to the drive, no not really... as if the windows machine saves credentials it'll still have access
[11:10] <m6lpi> daftykins: home is near Midhurst
[11:10]  * daftykins looks that up
[11:11] <m6lpi> Petersfield and turn right
[11:11] <diplo> Customers won't spend money, so it's their problem not ours.. we've been advising of change for 3 years now
[11:11] <daftykins> ah-har, inland :)
[11:11] <m6lpi> yep
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> i must rewrite my home backup software... multiple stacks of important files backed up
[11:12] <daftykins> heh it's always funny when i look at google maps, i know place names just from the train rides i took to visit people
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> sadly i don't think any trains go to these places... http://www.dailyedge.ie/funny-place-names-ireland-998203-Jul2013/
[11:19] <daftykins> :)
[11:22] <davmor2> popey: is it me or is edge ripping off the Ubuntu logo :)
[11:23] <popey> edge?
[11:23] <popey> the magazine?
[11:23] <popey> oh, the microsoft thing?
[11:23] <davmor2> popey: ms windows10 browser
[11:26] <davmor2> popey: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-edge even more comedic when they add the aubergine header to it :)
[11:26] <bashrc> doesn't look like the ubuntu logo http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/30/technology/microsoft-edge-logo/
[11:26] <daftykins> yeah i'm not seeing it
[11:27] <popey> there is a little circle of friends in the toolbar
[11:40] <davmor2> bashrc: daftykins the share logo is like the circle of friends in the header part
[11:42] <daftykins> are they people with arms, or nodes? ;)
[11:46] <davmor2> http://www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/22079d1434860543-microsoft-edge-favorites-backup-restore-windows-10-a-microsoft_edge_import_favorites-4.png
[11:47] <davmor2> Myrtti: hippo birdie
[13:48] <czajkowski> This may be of interest to some folks - http://blogs.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/adalovelace/events/ - maybe even an Ubuntu UK day out event ?
[14:35] <Myrtti> davmor2: thank you!
[14:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: you're welcome
[15:34] <celesteh> Hello, I'm getting a run time error 445 with wine. I'm open to any and all suggestions!
[15:41] <brobostigon> we need more inforation, have you started with looking up said sw in WineDB to see if this is a known error?
[15:58] <davmor2> celesteh: ^ what he said
[16:09] <diddledan> I want one: http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/samsung-unveils-2-5-inch-16tb-ssd-the-worlds-largest-hard-drive/ (I had a family unfriendly in my underwear when I saw this!)
[16:11] <celesteh> Run Time 445 appears to be a catch-all for a broken DLL
[16:17] <czajkowski> popey: and others in the area, https://twitter.com/robinwhittleton/status/631859007087579136


[12:23] <RikMills> awful lot of disabled x86 builders
[12:26] <jugmac00> RikMills: looking
[12:41] <jugmac00> RikMills: Colin poked them. Looks much better now. Especially amd64 will take a very long time, as Foundations enabled some massive test rebuilds.
[12:48] <RikMills> thanks!
[13:29] <cjwatson> (but test rebuilds are scored low, so generally don't get much in the way of other things)
[13:34] <jugmac00> That is good to know!
[19:36] <rbasak> Help with OOPS-66256fcf301f8c57fe0c04f8b5105791 please?
[19:37] <jugmac00> rbasak: CannotModifyArchiveProcessor: riscv64 is restricted, and may only be enabled or disabled by administrators.
[19:37] <rbasak> I'm not trying to modify that :-/
[19:38] <rbasak> It is in fact a disabled checkbox for me.
[19:38] <rbasak> Is it being populated wrong to start with?
[19:42] <jugmac00> rbasak: Please create a bug report. I am way out of worktime and I cannot help you with this topic anyway. I do hope we'll have some colleagues from the US timezone at one point in time so we could give support around the clock :-)
[19:42] <rbasak> Sure thanks


[03:00] <OvenWerks> Hmm, this is less than good.... KDE with the US metas added and low latency Kernel seems to perform better.
[03:01] <OvenWerks> (than a ubuntustudio install with xfce)
[03:15] <OvenWerks> zequence: remember talking about smooth video on my old graphics card? Videos are fine on KDE and skip in US.
[03:16] <OvenWerks> same kernel, same video, same player
[04:21] <zequence> exit
[04:22] <zequence> oh, that old error
[08:56] <zequence> OvenWerks: We need to remove theming entirely from ubuntustudio-default-settings. It's not the place for that
[08:57] <zequence> Actually, I'm wondering about a lot of the dependencies for it
[08:57] <zequence> We need to revive a ubuntustudio theme package
[13:13] <OvenWerks> zequence: I am working on menu and icons first.
[13:14] <OvenWerks> All we do in settings is to set the default theme
[13:54] <OvenWerks> separation of packages is becoming more inportant as we work with more than one DE
[14:21] <zequence> OvenWerks: The default theme is not someting that belongs in settings
[14:21] <zequence> And, that is not what settings is for
[14:22] <zequence> At least it didn't use to be, as far as I can recall
[14:24] <zequence> Ah, never mind
[14:24] <zequence> Maybe I just remember wrong
[14:28] <zequence> It's good that there's no conflict between the different flavors, as it seems, since they all have their own sessions
[14:29] <zequence> It would be nice if we could add our specific stuff to existing DE sessions without conflicting with them
[19:54] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think we are agreeing in different words :)
[19:55] <OvenWerks> A theme itself should not be in settings. A theme package should not make itself default (I don't think) maybe it could ask the installing user if they would like that.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> If a distro wants a theme to be the default on install, I don't know where else that info would go besides settings
[21:04] <OvenWerks> zequence: Dumb question... icons that are to be installed in "hicolor" to make our menus work are not really part of the US icon theme, should they instead be put in the -menu package?
[21:04] <OvenWerks> zequence: my thought is that installing the US-menu package should give a working menu with all needed icons, desktop files and directory files
[21:07] <OvenWerks> This also leaves Mish (or whoever) free to change the icon package without breaking anything.