 So aux doesn't work on the pinephone yet, HOWEVER bluetooth earphones work fine!
 Hello  from the pinephone!
 Teleports needs some work still, but it seems to work well
 @Qiangong2 [Hello  from the pinephone!], Hello from the hammerhead! I'm using fluffychat with the matrix<=>telegram bridge. Teleports is still too unstable for me.
 @vtsoft [Hello from the hammerhead! I'm using fluffychat with the matrix<=>telegram bridg …], Neat! I'll check fluffychat out
 @Qiangong2 [Hello  from the pinephone!], congrats :)
 @NotKit [congrats :)], Thanks! It's nice to finally use ubports. I never got my Galaxy S4 port working
 Hello from mido port!
 This TelePORTS appeared looks so cool!
 App*
 I think I should disable autocorrect it is so annoying
 Now my old phone is actually kinda better than my current one 😂
 Is anyone else having an issuein telephotos where you can't see what you're typing?
 *teleports
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/MaGrkySz.png
 (Photo, 957x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Tv3U4dVC.png
 I do see
 Huh. Maybe it's a pinephone issue?
 But it is software-related isn't it?
 Yes, I wonder if the app isn't able to move that far up the screen
 Pinephone is popular I think it is worth to search online
 My screen resolution is 1920x1080
 Yeah, nothing yet I can find. I did open an issue though
 I think the pinephone is 1920x1080 as well
 Then that's weird
 The mido port is 32 bit right?
 Not sure I found it on xda and did everything mentioned
 Hmm. The pinephone is 64 bit, so maybe that has something to do with it?
 Miro is aarch64
 Arm64
 Does get have to do something with it:
 ?
 Wait a second I will find the threat on xda
 I can't paste hm
 Other than this one (major) issue, I'm really enjoying teleports
 What do you use for email?
 Wait a second
 Dekko 2
 It doesn't download attachments though
 From gmail
 Nevermind I tried again and it did download
 Okay, cool. Thanks
 There are lots of cool apps I can recommend
 Pesbuk is a pretty good facebook app. I wish there was a discord app honestly, but that's a long shot anyways
 There's only a web app that doesn't really function
 Yes I know
 I am a Discord user too
 But have this too :P
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/50cFjlLE.png
 Heh. I'd use anbox, but it doesn't really support the pinephone right now
 Brb
 Back
 Chatter is such a nice IRC client
 Is there a way to use infrared in Android phones with UBPorts?
 @Qiangong2 [Pesbuk is a pretty good facebook app. I wish there was a discord app honestly, b …], You can use cordless on a terminal.
 Just map it to Nano shortcuts.
 You can install stuff?
 Ofc.
 I think you need a RPi to compile cordless.
 I tried to do it on Ubuntu Touch but failed.
 I wish there was a libpurple-based client, yes no voice chat no calls but at least
 @mintphin [You can use cordless on a terminal.], Would you need libertine for that? Or does it work natively?
 Might end up chexking it out
 [Edit] Might end up checking it out
 @Qiangong2 [Would you need libertine for that? Or does it work natively?], No. It works natively if you use an armhf build.
 SInce it's a terminal app.
 @Qiangong2 [<reply to media>], this is a known issue on the pinephone. There apps that has issues with scaling and this js the effect in TELEports. Hopefully, this will be fixed soon. As a workaround, you can set the opacity of the keyboard in the settings.
 @Qiangong2 [Would you need libertine for that? Or does it work natively?], you can't install stuff by default. Rootfs is readonly. Usually libertine is recommended but I think it's not really working on the pinephone yet
 @Javacookies [this is a known issue on the pinephone. There apps that has issues with scaling …], Thanks for letting me know, is the opacity in the system settings then?
 @Qiangong2 [Thanks for letting me know, is the opacity in the system settings then?], yes, Language & Text. There are more things there. Personally I suggest dosabling auto-correct since it's not really good at the moment 😅
 @Javacookies [yes, Language & Text. There are more things there. Personally I suggest dosablin …], Yeah... It's doing more harm than good right now lol
 @UniversalSuperBox it looks like that since image 41, updating from previous versions will leave the pinephone stuck in the pine logo.  However, I switched to devel image 42 from a newly flashed factory image and booted fine. I don't have a seria
[02:56] <ubptgbot> l cable but I still have a UT on older versions I haven't updated yet so let me know if you want me to go ahead and update and providr some logs 😊
 @Javacookies [this is a known issue on the pinephone. There apps that has issues with scaling …], if they used the auto scaling flag, that should be removed and other methods of scaling used https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/highdpi.html#migrate-existing-applications
 the flag is meant to be a quick stop gap in scaling up
 hm, maybe we can try without the highdpi flag, I dont see the auto scale
 https://gitlab.com/mateosalta/teleports/-/blob/master/app/main.cpp
 oh, maybe not
 check this out
 https://gitlab.com/mateosalta/teleports/-/blob/master/app/qml/Main.qml#L37
 instead of anchoring to the keyboard, they change the size of a rectangle?
 yes, you can see that it does some computations
 I think my app also does that but I can't remember the reasoning 😅
 anyway, it seems to affect apps that don't use `MainView` and use qqc2
 I bet it may work better like how the browser does
 just - osk from height
 https://github.com/ubports/morph-browser/blob/59c0c5b1369ab1a82b667140e472fac4c444a965/src/app/webcontainer/WebApp.qml#L216
 I will have to try on pinephone
 I really think it has something to do with using `ApplicationWindow`. You can see that TELEports already use the height of the OSK but instead it did more computations. That means height won't suffice
 also the pinephone has a long screen :)
 aw, all the qml is compiled in
 I also noticed that the Suru style is somewhat scaled correctly while others like Material looks small on the pinephone … I wonder what scaling they do with just the style
 (Photo, 1451x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/8ha8PbPo.png
 oh my, my graph went backwards, last charged in the future
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/byX1ZbdU.mp4
 :)
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], it's flexing at you 💪
 the once and future dead battery :)
 Does the pinephone not support nano sim cards?
 @PhoenixLandPirate [The PinePhone comes with a SIM nano to micro adapter?], If it shows, my sim don't fit
 @PhoenixLandPirate [The PinePhone comes with a SIM nano to micro adapter?], [Edit] If it does, my sim don't fit
 it has micro
 they are saying adapter included for nano
 Weird, I'll give it a try again in a bit, getting my PC set to backup steam
 Ohhh, that's what that is
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/VOSk7Pu0.png
 I don't think that sim will fit
[05:06] <nabblet> Hi, if I want to install sshd on ubports, do I just go with apt-get ?
[05:16] <nabblet> Ok, this seems to be the way to go http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
[05:22] <nabblet> Developer mode is not available on ubports. It should be at Settings / About according to http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/adb.html
 at the moment, developer mode is only applicable for originally android devices. same with ADb and MTP
[05:39] <nabblet> Thanks you
 How does that bot work? 🤔
[05:47] <nabblet> On ubports: I copied some raw text from a website and want to paste it to terminal (my public ssh key). The context menu does not offer me to paste text -.-
 clipboard across apps seems to not work properly on the pinephone
 also I think it's better to download Seabass for texts editing … try if you can paste there
 ^and pasting files in file manager crashes the system
 yup
 there are still many bugs unfortunately but it'll get better
[06:02] <nabblet> yeah... I used wget to copy the key to a file and moved it to my authorized_keys file
[06:02] <nabblet> I really want ssh access asap... it's too cumbersome to get some decent debugging info via touch interface
[06:04] <nabblet> I started ping command in terminal and pressing ctrl+c from the touch keyboard won't stop it (I can see the input of ^C in the terminal output though)
 it did on mine
[06:06] <nabblet> Thanks for feedback
 My nano sim doesn't fit in the adapter that came with the pinephone, anyone else have the same issue?
[06:10] <nabblet> How do I get a Cltr+X from the touch keyboard? Need to exit nano editor :P
 there's nano when you press and hold the thin burger button at left side of the bar
 press and drag to select
 Would the sim adapter work if you cut off the thin edge of the adapter?
 Or do I need to pay $10 for a sim adapter kit?
[06:22] <nabblet> Javacookies Thank you, that works!
[06:22] <nabblet> @Javacookies testing nick highlighting in irc bridge.
[06:27] <ubptgbot> Dgnk007 was added by: Dgnk007
 For anyone who wants Discord on Ubuntu Touch I compiled an arm version of Discord.
 Actually cordless
 Anyone else having issues with dekko 2 on the pinephone?
 @mintphin [For anyone who wants Discord on Ubuntu Touch I compiled an arm version of Discor …], Sweet
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kv3GpUmJ.7z
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 Any install instructions?
 Just copy it over to your Ubuntu phone and run it on a terminal.
 You can even do like I did and copy it over to /bin
 this isn't any version tho. it's the branch with voice chat support.
 Ah, okay
 Does it show emotes?
 @Qiangong2 [Does it show emotes?], Yes, since the terminal shows emotes.
 Just not custom emotes.
 I'll send the full executable actually because I want to upgrade my version.
 https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless (source code)
 Thanks for doing this
 Thank Bios Marcel for creating Cordless. I just installed golang on an RPi.
 And ran a command.
 Now if only the headphone jack worked...
 Buy him a coffee if you feel like it.
 @mintphin [Thank Bios Marcel for creating Cordless. I just installed golang on an RPi.], maybe you can package it as a click package and publish in the store?
 @Qiangong2 [Anyone else having issues with dekko 2 on the pinephone?], you mean adding accounts? … it's another issue exclusive to the pinephone, multiple windows in apps is a bit problematic. Extra windows seems to freeze but a workaround is to switch window back and forth then it'll work. Short swipe on the right edge will help on t
[06:45] <ubptgbot> his 😉
 @Javacookies [maybe you can package it as a click package and publish in the store?], No. This is a terminal app.
 oh okay, I though you can run the command in the terminal app
 [Edit] oh okay, I thought you can run the command in the terminal app
 @Javacookies [you mean adding accounts? … it's another issue exclusive to the pinephone, multipl …], I'm trying to add my imap account, but it just gets stuck at "Verifying credentials"
 It will spin and just go back to the manual configuration page
 I set up this exact account on my android and it works fine
 hmmm, sorry I have no idea … my gmail and yahoo accounts are working fine although I did added them way back
[07:06] <nabblet> finally got a ssh connection from laptop to ubports on pinephone!
[07:09] <nabblet> I had to adapt the config files of client and server a bit (text editing without keyboard is pain). Follow this for general guidance https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9862 and this for troubleshooting https://askubuntu.com/questions/311558/ssh-permission-denied-publickey
 @nabblet [finally got a ssh connection from laptop to ubports on pinephone!], once you set up your PC's ssh keys and the autorized_keys on UT, you can just that authorized_keys file on all you UT devices. or back them up for if you restore
 @c_smith [unfortunately, my SIM card is unuseable with the device without an adapter, it's …], it comes with adapter.
 @Javacookies [oh okay, I thought you can run the command in the terminal app], No.
 I mean you run it on a terminal.
 By "Terminal app"
 It's a CLI app.
 @gischpelino [it comes with adapter.], The adapter doesn't fit a nano sim. The nano sim is too big
 @mintphin [It's a CLI app.], okay … you can check this. I believe it's a CLI app as well … https://open-store.io/app/htop.emanuelesorce
[07:25] <nabblet> @Javacookies Thanks for pointing that out. I am quite familiar with linux, ssh, ... just not with mobile, pine64 and ubport ;)
 @Javacookies [okay … you can check this. I believe it's a CLI app as well … https://open-store.io/ …], That's for installing htop without a R/W rootfs.
 @nabblet [@Javacookies Thanks for pointing that out. I am quite familiar with linux, ssh, …], it's basically the same. it's just that UT enforces key-based authentication and disables password-authentication
 @mintphin [That's for installing htop without a R/W rootfs.], yes, I was thinking your cordless build can be done similarly … anyway, just suggesting 😄
 @Qiangong2 [The adapter doesn't fit a nano sim. The nano sim is too big], ok, checked it. It's a funny adapter. Maybe a small nail file makes the adapter better.
 @gischpelino [ok, checked it. It's a funny adapter. Maybe a small nail file makes the adapter …], I don't know. Maybe
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[09:37] <ubptgbot> <Krystof Vydra> Hello
 Hiii 👋
[09:38] <ubptgbot> <Krystof Vydra> I want to buy a phone for my friend and install ubuntu touch on it. But I need it tu support Czech language because he doesn't speak English. I couldn't find supported languages list anywhere so I am asking here. Could some of you who have the system installed please tell me if it has Czech language (Čeština)? Thank you very much
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1ncd56sO.png
 @Krystof Vydra [I want to buy a phone for my friend and install ubuntu touch on it. But I need i …], it seems like most things on there by default are 100% translated
 https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/#languages
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Krystof Vydra> OK, thank you! :)
 Hmm, I didn't know about that site
 Looks like I know what am I gonna do for some time
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Krystof Vydra> @TigranKhachatryan [Hmm, I didn't know about that site], me too, and I did pretty inense searching
[10:24] <ubptgbot> itwillbedeletedsoon was added by: itwillbedeletedsoon
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uz6yprD3.png
 Is this translation correct?
 I mean
 Cannot be %1-something
 @TigranKhachatryan [<reply to media>], please give me links
 @purringChaos [https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/#languages], I found it here
 %1 is just filled out
 its a argument to be replaced
 Oh okay
 it doesnt have any values to put in there
 Understood 👍
 Hello. … Why is a China Unicom SIM card undetectable on OP One running the latest version of the UT? … How to resolve the issue?
[10:40] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Have you tried basically to remove, clean gently, and insert Sim again?
 Yes, it works with another SIM card. And that problematic card works on the other phone.
[10:42] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> It’s weird
 Did it work before installing ubports
 It worked perfectly with LineageOS 16.
 Oh okay
[10:49] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Before installing UT did you wipe all your data? (TWRP, dalvik, cache and system)?
 I had to copy the flashable zip to / so I could format /data
[10:53] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Indeed. Try to re install UT using installer and check « wipe data »
 @Qiangong2 [It will spin and just go back to the manual configuration page], In all cases when I had this, some values where not correct. I need to use special encryption and auth settings. Otherwise it would not work.
 Although it still might be some pinephone only thing.
[10:55] <emacsen> hey all. I got my pinephone, it sees the network (2.4, wpa), but it never is able to conect even with the password. Any ideas?
[11:07] <ubptgbot> <john LARISSA> (Photo, 497x849) https://irc.ubports.com/xOjsw4D2.png WOWW
 I'll try doing it now.
[12:12] <patrixl> crazy, don't fall for that ponzi scheme hahaha
 https://store.pine64.org/?product=pinephone-shipment-upgrade
 For those still waiting
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 @Krystof Vydra [I want to buy a phone for my friend and install ubuntu touch on it. But I need i …], https://t.me/UBports_CZ_SK
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 @Javacookies [@UniversalSuperBox it looks like that since image 41, updating from previous ver …], I've removed the delta images around update 41 to hopefully fix that.
 @Steve Kueffer [Before installing UT did you wipe all your data? (TWRP, dalvik, cache and system …], Format /data is enough. Whole system  (boot.img, rootfs, system.img) is placed just there. Formating android partitions (like system) is not necessary.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/zAX6djKn.png
 So I am having some issues. … So let's say user is searching for "about phone". In Armenian it will be «հեռախոսի մասին», but if you translate it back word by word it will be “phone about”. What should I do?
 Okay okay I figured it out when I sent it
 @TigranKhachatryan [So I am having some issues. … So let's say user is searching for "about phone". In …], There is a translators group. @wayneoutthere can you add this guy?
 I'll write «ծրագրի մասին» which means about app
 does this guy want to be added ? ;)  I can...
 Yes why not!
 good attitude.  welcome to the party.  i'll invite soon
 Better place to ask translation questions
 @UniversalSuperBox [I've removed the delta images around update 41 to hopefully fix that.], okay thanks, maybe tomorrow I'll go ahead and update it and see 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox [I've removed the delta images around update 41 to hopefully fix that.], today I updated from 39 to 44 and everything is ok
 @wayneoutthere [does this guy want to be added ? ;)  I can...], i would help out but sadly i dont no enough of any "normal" languages
 *know
 i learn and make conlangs a lot though
 azul!
 Check if there are non-normal languages! It's so fun!
 thats hello in Talossan
 (im bad at talossan though)
 @mateosalta [maybe the screen, or screen connector], A very late thx. With screen connector you mean the connector component with the microUSB port? I don't think so, I tried three different ones. And also, with some batteries -and for some period of time- the red led blinks a few times after pressing the power button for 10+ second
[14:33] <ubptgbot> s. I guess this means the connector is fine. So, indeed, maybe the screen. But then again, now I'm also not getting the 'buzz' sound any longer after pressing the power button for 10+ seconds. So, I'm out of clues and help is still appreciated.
 @dad_and_alive [A very late thx. With screen connector you mean the connector component with the …], You know what?
 When I flashed an unsupported port on my device yesterday
 I closed my eyes wrote the default password and pressed enter
 With photographic memory
 And it booted!
 @dad_and_alive [A very late thx. With screen connector you mean the connector component with the …], sounds like you broke it more
 What about ZenFone 6 (I01WD)? Has anyone tried to create a port for it?
 red light might be low battery warning
 @c_smith [I don't think that sim will fit], lol, some in the pinephone chat are saying it an 'apple' adapter ;P
 @vtsoft [What about ZenFone 6 (I01WD)? Has anyone tried to create a port for it?], What Android version does it have
 @TigranKhachatryan [What Android version does it have], 9/10
 Oh
 The chances are very low then
 :-(
 @mateosalta [lol, some in the pinephone chat are saying it an 'apple' adapter ;P], Yeah, I saw.
 I was there asking about it. XD
 @TigranKhachatryan [The chances are very low then], 9 is mostly fine by now, but I don't think anyone worked on that particular device
[15:11] <Fuseteam> well not that low halium 9 is shaping up nicely
 Oh I thought it worked by Helium?
 Hopefully it's not a a/b device like the Essential Phone or newer Pixels.
[15:12] <Fuseteam> *Halium; but halium 9 is makes great progress
 Those are especially tricky as verity is basically required
 Oh okay that's something to be proud of
 Kudos to Halium devs
[15:13] <Fuseteam> kudos to halium devs!
[15:26] <ubptgbot> <RaJvAnT KuMaR Rodnel> (Photo, 617x918) https://irc.ubports.com/tUS8QgEM.png 1
[15:30] <Fuseteam> spam?
 What happened?
 Oh, I get it. I'm assuming someone was spamming
[15:32] <Fuseteam> ohw it was cleared on the other side cool
 @TigranKhachatryan [Oh, I get it. I'm assuming someone was spamming], Could you please do everyone a favor and change your display name and avatar to not be masquerading as a feature of Telegram like you're trying to phish people? Thanks.
 Phish?
 Hmm, well, okay then
 @TigranKhachatryan [Phish?], tricking people into PMing you messages they wish to save in their saved messages
 Ok ok
 There
 thanks
 Hey, is there a way to replace default emojis with Noto?
 no
 Oh ok
 @TigranKhachatryan [The chances are very low then], But I want to try it... Is there any offtopic halium/ubports group for asking stupid questions?
 I don't know if there is a group
 But XDA is the best place
 @vtsoft [But I want to try it... Is there any offtopic halium/ubports group for asking st …], there is the Halium group. Lots of people there working on Halium 9 ports right now … https://t.me/halium
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 How do I enable CRUST on the pinephone?
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 Emin are you a real user?
 @mimecar [Emin are you a real user?], My guess is he's not
 The name practically screams that
 Yes
 Asraf - Littradex Support and you?
 @Qiangong2 [How do I enable CRUST on the pinephone?], they're still testing it … there's a post in the pine64 forum about it
 @Javacookies [they're still testing it … there's a post in the pine64 forum about it], Well, pine64 tweeted at me saying to just enable CRUST to increase battery life
 (Photo, 2560x1451) https://irc.ubports.com/xEQEqtRD.png
 @Qiangong2 [Well, pine64 tweeted at me saying to just enable CRUST to increase battery life], well it must be a misunderstanding 😅
 dalton might know, or you just wait for a system update
 there might be a forum post somewhere to test
 Yeah, getting 5ish hours with wifi only on isn't bad though
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Nice, personalized pack for UB edition
 very nice, now boot has the pine logo too
 @mateosalta [very nice, now boot has the pine logo too], you're not updated for a long time 😄
 you havr braveheart too right?
 yeah, it was still on sd
 this is amazing how much progress has been made
[18:26] <ubptgbot> Hide1445 Prince was added by: Hide1445 Prince
[18:53] <ubptgbot> Clare Rivera was added by: Clare Rivera
 for testing webgl on pinephone
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Ittk0O23.null
 is faster on new image, still some flickering, but looks better
 Anyway to get rid of the screen flickering randomly? it seems to mainly affect the system settings app for me
 huh?
[19:31] <ubptgbot> anthb was added by: anthb
 Hello there. I'm trying to do my first port, Ubuntu Touch on FP3. Is it the right place to ask for help?
 please join @halium group
 I think someone managed to boot it recently, so it would be great if you could collaborate with that person as well
 @NotKit [please join @halium group], Thank you I didn't know that group. I will join it and look for this person.
 Has anyone tried to use Convergence with a Display Link adapter? https://www.displaylink.com/products/find?cat=3&vid_hdmi=1
 @Anghirrim [Has anyone tried to use Convergence with a Display Link adapter? https://www.dis …], it is proprietary and won't work with UT
 @dohbee [it is proprietary and won't work with UT], OK... What option do we have then to use Convergence? Only phones with native video USB output?
 Or Miracast?
 using an external display is not "convergence" itself. it is only a feature.
 yes, you need a device that supports wired video output, or miracast, to use an external display with your device
 @dohbee [using an external display is not "convergence" itself. it is only a feature.], Can you please explain? My understanding of Convergence was that you could "plug" your phone to an external display and use it with a Desktop like experience. Am I wrong?
 And am I wrong in thinking that Convergence is available on UBPorts? I remember having seen a video of a Nexus 5 using Convergence.
 Thanks
 @Anghirrim [Can you please explain? My understanding of Convergence was that you could "plug …], that is just one feature. Convergence is a much broader concept. Being able to uses the same apps on phone, tablet, PC, etc…
 Oh... OK
 So talking about the ability to use the phone "as a PC" by plugging it onto an external monitor. … Is this feature available and working with Libertine apps for example?
 And if yes, it can be used with both USB video output or Miracast.  … (As Miracast is more standard, it can be used on UBports?)
 libertine is just a feature for providing a container to run legacy or CLI apps in case one needs them
 if your device can connect to an external display, then yes you can still run apps in libertine
 libertine doesn't magically make legacy apps into converged apps though
 converged apps are apps that are reactive to the screen size and input types of various devices, so that they scale and can be used with a variety of input methods
 the only thing connecting an external display gives you specifically, is displaying the shell on an external display, with windowed mode
 @dohbee [converged apps are apps that are reactive to the screen size and input types of …], Ooooookkkkaayyyy this is Cristal clear now thanks
 @dohbee [libertine is just a feature for providing a container to run legacy or CLI apps …], Yep, this I understood. Apps under Libertine are almost unusable on a phone's screen
 @dohbee [libertine is just a feature for providing a container to run legacy or CLI apps …], [Edit] Yep, this I understood. Apps under Libertine are almost unusable on a phone's screen (at least Thunderbird that I tested)
 @dohbee [converged apps are apps that are reactive to the screen size and input types of …], Is there a listing of already converged apps?
 @Anghirrim [Is there a listing of already converged apps?], https://open-store.io
 though, true, some of those may be overly designed for touch interface and phone use so still fall short of true convergence
 @dohbee [the only thing connecting an external display gives you specifically, is display …], Shell, terminal or UBPort user interface?
 @dohbee [though, true, some of those may be overly designed for touch interface and phone …], Clear thanks.
 @Anghirrim [Shell, terminal or UBPort user interface?], shell in this case being lomiri
 ie, graphical shell
 OK thanks for all your answers.
 Is Halium affecting the experience?
 I have both a Nexus 5 and an OP3, but if I have to invest, it'll be more on a Miracast, that I could use on ally devices rather than the Nexus 5 Slimport cable
 only in the sense that there might be issues that need fixed. halium is only the underlying minimal android bit to get hardware working
 not all android based devices are using halium yet though
 OK, so OP3 port being mature, chances to get it work properly are on my side. 😁
 slimport is way better if you can use it (or MHL or plain HDMI/DisplayPort, depending on your device), and Miracast will be laggy and lower resolution
 @dohbee [slimport is way better if you can use it (or MHL or plain HDMI/DisplayPort, depe …], I guess yes.... Already tried MaruOS with Chromecast and it's a pain
 How about Dex?
 There is an Halium port under development on the Samsung Galaxy S9+.
 what about dex?
 the dex dock is just a slimport dock
 @dohbee [the dex dock is just a slimport dock], Cool, so any Slimport adapter should work then? I have searched for "non official" dex cables without success. Thanks. So in principle, a Slimport cable would work on both Samsung Galaxy devices and the Nexus 5 (providing it can work on both USB C and micro USB plugs).
 micro USB slimport and USB-C slimport are different. so you won't find a single cable to do both
 @dohbee [the dex dock is just a slimport dock], Isn't that just dp alternate mode?
 @jja2000 [Isn't that just dp alternate mode?], slimport on USB-C is DP Alt mode, yes
 but USB-C slimport lets you use USB devices too, where on micro USB you only get video
 the dex station therefore gives you charging, video, USB, and ethernet
 Fairly sure that isn't a property of slimport though
 @Anghirrim [Cool, so any Slimport adapter should work then? I have searched for "non officia …], Galaxy devices that have slimport and USB-C will work yes. the older devices that were MHL instead won't of course
 @jja2000 [Fairly sure that isn't a property of slimport though], being pedantic isn't helpful though. there are plenty of USB-C dock things which are not compatible, as they are either DisplayLink or some other thing. while getting something that is specifically listed on the official Slimport site as supported, will work for such devices
 @dohbee [Galaxy devices that have slimport and USB-C will work yes. the older devices tha …], Yes
 @dohbee [being pedantic isn't helpful though. there are plenty of USB-C dock things which …], This paeg? https://www.slimportconnect.com/Interoperability/
 @Anghirrim [This paeg? https://www.slimportconnect.com/Interoperability/], yes
 Funny that the Nexus 5 is not listed on the micro-USB
 although it seems a little incomplete
 [Edit] Funny that the Nexus 5 is not listed on the micro-USB (Edit, there are several apges. 😅)
 Last question for tonight... If I still can...
 Once plugged on the slimport cable
 Can the phone be used as a normal phone while displaying apps on the external display? Like, how doe sit work if I get a phone call?
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], is that morph browser .click only for Pinephone or it can be installed and tested on supported ( Legacy ) devices? I did not know that morph can be available as a .click package.
 only pine for acceleration
 its the only one on wayland
 Sad that the oneplus one has the same CPU as Samsung S5 and yet the S5 got no single support
 but, you can build morph s a click easy from the source
 @Anghirrim [Can the phone be used as a normal phone while displaying apps on the external di …], you'd want to use a headset to take the call probably, but the hardware isn't disabled in that sense. you'll get the notification on your external display and can answer the call there
 or unplug and answer the call
 (assuming things don't break in the process of doing so :)
 @Stefano0101 [is that morph browser .click only for Pinephone or it can be installed and teste …], it can be built as a click separately for testing, but it doesn't replace the system browser or webapp container
 But im glad the work is going on
 @LIFELIKE83 [Sad that the oneplus one has the same CPU as Samsung S5 and yet the S5 got no si …], the ARM/Android ecosystem isn't the same as PCs, so you can't just build one thing and have it work on all devices
 even when the hardware is the same
 What's the issue most time?
 vendors do different things, and certain things may not be electronically connected even
 I know that porting makes it simple trip
 Ok do you think it would be easier if it was x86 phone?
 no
 phones aren't PCs
 and android is still android
 We all know that but the headache always comes from the cpu
 @dohbee [and android is still android], What do u mean by that
[20:32] <bdju> hello, new to ubports. I just got my pinephone. how do I go about installing "normal" GNU/Linux apps? apt in the terminal is not happy with me.
 the headache doesn't come from the CPU
 the headache comes from how drivers work in android for most devices, regardless of the CPU's instruction set architecture.
 @dohbee [the headache comes from how drivers work in android for most devices, regardless …], Oh
 @bdju [hello, new to ubports. I just got my pinephone. how do I go about installing "no …], You should not use apt
 @bdju [hello, new to ubports. I just got my pinephone. how do I go about installing "no …], apt is not supported. UT is not a traditional linux distro. there is libertine for creating a container to install and use legacy apps.
 l e g a c y   a p p s
[20:34] <bdju> what is this bridged with? where are you guys?
 @dohbee [you'd want to use a headset to take the call probably, but the hardware isn't di …], Clear thanks
[20:35] <bdju> also, that really sucks to hear. I wanted to try that new foliate app out
 @bdju [what is this bridged with? where are you guys?], telegram https://t.me/ubports
 @bdju [also, that really sucks to hear. I wanted to try that new foliate app out], what is that?
 Desktop applications do not adapt to the characteristics of the phone (within Libertine).
 the way it does drivers locked to a kernel version
 oh
[20:36] <bdju> telegram... oof
[20:36] <bdju> foliate is a new gtk ereader
 @bdju [also, that really sucks to hear. I wanted to try that new foliate app out], i guess you can install PureOS and then install foliate with flatpak
[20:36] <bdju> https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate
 @bdju [hello, new to ubports. I just got my pinephone. how do I go about installing "no …], Check out settings->Libertine
 or you could build a click version of it, perhaps
[20:37] <bdju> I am not at all excited to hear flatpaks suggested. starting to lean toward postmarketos maybe
 🤷♀
 @vtsoft [Check out settings->Libertine], There you can create a container with ubuntu xenial and install classic apps like GIMP or Firefox.
[20:39] <bdju> so apps installed via libertine won't scale someone said?
 libertine doesn't magically make apps usable or useful on a phone, no
 It is not a scaling issue, apps are not designed for small screens.
[20:39] <bdju> not asking for magic, wise guy. just the libhandy sorta stuff baked into most gnome stuff now. will it *prevent* that?
 some won't even work; and i think on pinephone X11 apps won't work yet at all
 it's a design problem of the app
 things using libhandy would be better to get packaged as click and used outside libertine if possible, i guess
[20:41] <bdju> I've attempted to create a libertine container and it seems like nothing happened now. I'm still on the screen to create one
 @bdju [so apps installed via libertine won't scale someone said?], Libertine exists so that you can connect the phone to the monitor and use it as a desktop. Not for using classic apps on 5" screen.
[20:42] <bdju> BTW, how do you take screenshots on ubports? it seems like volume down + power doesn't do it
 i think there are some issues with the settings GUI still on pinephone, and you might need to create it from terminal with `libertine-container-manager create --help` (probably also need to pass the arg to tell it to be a chroot type)
 @bdju [BTW, how do you take screenshots on ubports? it seems like volume down + power d …], Volume down+volume up
[20:43] <bdju> it's a rocker... do I really hit both parts at once?
[20:43] <bdju> it doesn't seem to work
 Pinephone. https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues/11
[20:44] <bdju> ah, thank you. good to know.
 oh i was just copying the link for https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=10130 too
[20:45] <bdju> oh, I was having some wifi issues, though they were intermittent
[20:45] <bdju> I've already rebooted for the system update, but I'll do it again for good measure
[20:46] <bdju> so the decision to not let me easily use apt is based in security? some sort of sandboxing idea?
[20:47] <ubptgbot> Mamie Coker was added by: Mamie Coker
 yes. security and image based updating; the rootfs is therefore readonly as part of the design. `deb` packages are not secure and runs scripts as root. and allowing any debs to be installed would be problematic for many devices and partition layouts, and would mean image based updates couldn't work
[20:50] <bdju> some interesting points. maybe guix would work well. supports unprivileged package management and doing things declaratively
[20:50] <bdju> this is taking ages to reboot. I wonder if I hit a bug.
[20:51] <bdju> it's not the first one in that thread because it's the ubuntu touch screen rather than the pine logo, and I have done the update already
[20:53] <bdju> so far I have a pretty bad impression of ubports, but I'm gonna try to use it a bit longer to get a better feel for it. it feels very limiting and annoying.
[20:53] <bdju> even on android you can use termux and install things via apt, though not graphical things.
[20:54] <bdju> still stuck on the ubuntu touch screen after trying to reboot. I'm gonna hold in the power button I guess
 termux on android is basically the same as what libertine gives you on UT. it's just a container. and you can install much less than you can with libertine on UT
 termux uses packages built specifically to install on android, in a non-standard root directory. they're built against bionic libc to run on android. you can't just take a random arm deb from the internet and install it with dpkg there, expecting it to work, either
[20:59] <bdju> right, yeah, though the termux repo really has a lot of what you'd want in there. vim, emacs, ranger, mpv, youtube-dl, sftp, etc.
[20:59] <bdju> glad to hear that I can maybe get something similar on UT, though.
 yeah all those things are in ubuntu too
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[21:16] <bdju> lack of tab key on the keyboard is killing me
 @bdju [lack of tab key on the keyboard is killing me], terminal app has command keys toolbar just above keyboard, one of which has tab and such
 also, iirc there was a gesture to do tab
[21:23] <bdju> what do I put for the id in the libertine-container-manager command? seems to be separate from the name
 whatever you want. just `xenial` or such
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[21:25] <bdju> hm alright
 it's really only important if you want to use multiple containers
 Tap the terminal for tab
[21:26] <bdju> oh wow, that works pretty well
[21:26] <bdju> thanks
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[21:29] <bdju> my phone has started vibrating non-stop!
[21:30] <bdju> I was setting up the container via terminal command last, just waiting for it to finish
[21:31] <bdju> screen wouldn't turn on. I've held in the power button now
[21:34] <bdju> okay, I went to settings -> libertine again now and my container shows in the list, so I've made a little progress
[21:37] <bdju> every package search I attempt says there are no results
 @bdju [every package search I attempt says there are no results], if you rebooted the phone before the container creation completed, it's probably in a broken and corrupt state
 and, see previous statement about settings GUI for libertine maybe still having issues
 you can use `libertine-container-manager` to install packages as well
[21:38] <bdju> hm okay
 though whatever you do, do NOT install `sudo` inside the container; it is unprivileged and installing it will actually break things :-/
 you can also read docs about libertine at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html#
[21:40] <bdju> oh, it says there the create command can't be ran directly in the terminal, but that's how I did it.
 you need to keep the screen on and terminal app in foreground while create runs
[21:42] <bdju> hm could be the screen went dark on its own before, but I wasn't doing anything else at least
 apps are suspended when the screen is locked or when in the background, on UT
[21:43] <bdju> I didn't lock it, just had it set down
 when the screen goes off it is "locked"
[21:44] <bdju> right. that may or may not have happened.
[21:44] <bdju> gonna try to create a new container, I guess
 still trouble on the PinePhone image :( ?
 43 boots right through but touch input is gone now
 or is that just me?
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 Helli All! My battery drains overnight with 4G on.  … Could you share your battery status screen. Mobile phone model and if you keep your data mobile/wifi on?
 [Edit] Hello All! My battery drains overnight with 4G on.  … Could you share your battery status screen. Mobile phone model and if you keep your data mobile/wifi on?
 @dohbee there some spam that wants to be dealt with
 @matv1 [@dohbee there some spam that wants to be dealt with], +1
 @arthurabdulin [Hello All! My battery drains overnight with 4G on.  … Could you share your batter …], which phone is that?
 Russian spam/troll again?
 Used Nexus 5
 has this recently gotten worse suddenly?
 I think it has always been like this, but I thought this issue i affrcts all UBports phones.  Some of my friends can run over 12 hours with mobole data on and good usage. So I want to get another, a new phone. Wonder what is a better model?
 i have quite a few phones. I use a OnePlus3 which does great battery life
 @matv1 [i have quite a few phones. I use a OnePlus3 which does great battery life], How long with mobile data?
 over a day easy
 but realise that batteries decay over time. So youre N5 maybe just dying of old age
 well the battery that is
 it is not so difficult to replace a battery on an N5
 i did it myself once
 @matv1 [over a day easy], Nice!!!
 @matv1 [it is not so difficult to replace a battery on an N5], May be a good idea.
 @matv1 [but realise that batteries decay over time. So youre N5 maybe just dying of old …], How do I test battery on UBports?
 at least it would be the cheapest solution :)
 @arthurabdulin [How do I test battery on UBports?], not sure actually
 @matv1 [at least it would be the cheapest solution :)], Would be great to test the battery first...
 @matv1 [at least it would be the cheapest solution :)], [Edit] Would be great to test the battery first... Somehow
 if youre confortable flashing back to android briefly, i guess there will be more options. But I thinks battery testing apps are never really very reliable. But I am no expert :)
 I have flashed UBports a mutiple times to test through backup restore. So I could do a jump back to android comfortably...
 Thanks for the chat M!
 np good luck
 Oh obelisk more thing: Phairphobe 3 - is it compatible with UBports?
 [Edit] Oh one more thing: Phairphobe 3 - is it compatible with UBports?
 [Edit] Oh one more thing: Phairphone 3 - is it compatible with UBports?
 not yet. There is an early stage port I recently read. But not feature complete by far
 Thabks thanks
 [Edit] Thanks thanks
 sure


[07:41] <Snark> infinity: about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmp/2%3A5.0.5%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu3
[07:41] <Snark> who is the patch author (they're not documented as per DEP-3)
[07:41] <Snark> ?
[07:42] <Snark> where those patches forwarded to gmp upstream?
[07:42] <Snark> and to mpir upstream, since they're a fork and they help there too?
[09:14] <hrw> infinity: can you grab vboot-utils from NEW queue? one step closer for chromebook support ;D
[10:19] <infinity> Snark: The patch author was me, if I uploaded it.  And no, I didn't forward it upstream at the time, because it was a known binutils bug that I figured would get fixed.
[10:27] <Snark> infinity: did it get fixed? Will the patch break compilation with earlier binutils?
[10:28] <Snark> do you have a link to the binutils bug?
[10:28] <infinity> Snark: Not sure, no, and not at home right now to look.
[10:30] <Snark> ok ; when can I ping you again to know?
[10:32] <infinity> Tuesday, or try talking to SteveMcIntyre, I vaguely recall that he was looking into (or having someone look into) the binutils bug.
[10:32] <infinity> Anyhow, the patch is harmless when used with old binutils, so if you want to submit it to upstream(s), go ahead.
[10:33] <Snark> infinity: ok
[10:36] <hrw> ok, chromebook users will have to wait for 13.10
[10:45] <ogra_> hrw, why ?
[10:45] <ogra_> vboot-utils just went in
[10:46] <hrw> o. I got rejection email so though badly
[10:46] <ogra_> i see it on -changes
[10:46] <hrw> ok, so one thing less to worry
[10:46] <ogra_> :)
[10:48] <infinity> hrw: I synced it instead of taking your fake sync.
[10:48] <infinity> hrw: Should have mentioned that.
[10:48] <marvin24> janimo: I'm looking for a sponsor: https://launchpad.net/~marvin24/+archive/ppa
[10:52] <hrw> infinity: I should check debian new first
[11:11] <janimo> marvin24, ack, I do not have time ATM though and my ac100's wifi broke months ago
[11:11] <janimo> but I hope I'll get some time this week and I may be able to test then
[11:12] <ogra_> note that thursday is final freeze
[11:14] <janimo> ogra_, yes I know we are close to release. Just that I have no time for distro stuff lately and my ac100 is gathering dust :)
[11:14] <ogra_> same here
[11:16] <marvin24> next kernel will be multiarch
[11:16] <diwic> mine too! shall we setup a computing cluster of dust-collecting ac100s?
[11:16] <marvin24> so I hope no need anymore for ac100 specific kernels
[11:16] <marvin24> it's not the fault of the ac100 that it collects dust
[11:17] <janimo> marvin24, indeed, in my case the availability of more powerful and convenient linux arm machines
[11:17] <janimo> that plus ac100' hw failure
[11:17] <marvin24> my wifi and 3g modem also died in one of my machines
[11:18] <marvin24> seems to be a hw bug or so
[11:19] <marvin24> will ubuntu powered  ARM servers also use the android kernel?
[11:19]  * marvin24 hopes not
[11:20] <janimo> marvin24, no
[11:20] <janimo> mobile uses android kernels as those are the only ones that support the hw
[11:23]  * ogra_ sees janimo's mail and wonders why the maguro image should work on an ac100
[11:24] <janimo> ogra_, he said he tested maguro
[11:24] <marvin24> maguro?
[11:24] <ogra_> oh, i see
[11:24] <janimo> marvin24, on the phone mailing list unrelated
[11:24] <ogra_> he went offtopic in his ownb thread :P
[11:24] <janimo> well, the topic is black screen and errors in logcat
[11:24] <janimo> which quite a few devices seem to share
[11:24] <janimo> incuding one I have been looking at
[11:24] <ogra_> ah
[11:25] <ogra_> well, he started with his ac100 issue ... i didnt even know he does more than ac100 and HP touchpad
[11:25] <janimo> no idea why though, maybe phablet and android 4.0 binaries not being compatible
[11:25] <ogra_> well, CM 10.1 is 4.2.2
[11:25] <ogra_> or 4.2 at least
[11:25] <janimo> I think it's only the last mail he said he also tested gnex to rule out other issues
[11:25] <janimo> 4.2.1 indeed
[11:26] <ogra_> yep ... just looked through the thread again
[11:26] <janimo> not sure what gothas there are with 4.0 binaries
[11:26] <ogra_> different toolchain/bionic ?
[11:27] <ogra_> though i know the maguro images are regulary tested in house ... so that should definitely work
[11:28] <janimo> the vendor bits need to be added manually since they are not in the tree, that can be a common reason for buildable but nonworking images
[11:28] <janimo> but let's see what he answers
[11:29] <janimo> I also cannot get nexus4 to boot now but I could previously, need to track down why, (also forgot vendor blobs at one point)
[11:30] <ogra_> well, does it work with the cdimage image ?
[11:30] <janimo> testing now :)
[11:30] <ogra_> :)
[11:31] <ogra_> these images are definitely regulary tested
[11:31] <janimo> it worked with a build I had done last week, now I did a fresh build on a different machine and this one does not work
[11:31] <ogra_> so at least the friday build should be good
[11:31] <janimo> right, I know they are supposed to wor
[11:31] <ogra_> (i doubt anyone actively tests on weekends)


[10:21] <jarnos> Why lubuntu has mawk as awk, by default? Mawk is old version and buggy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mawk Why not use gawk?
[10:52] <phillw> jarnos: it is not lubuntu's choice. mawk is installed as part of core, so is across all *buntu flavours.
[10:53] <jarnos> phillw, but you could add gawk package and make it default awk, right?
[10:54] <phillw> no, the flavours have no control over the 'core'. That needs to be taken up with the team that handles that part directly. as a start point, try #ubuntu+1 channel and they should be able to direct you to where / who to ask about the reasoning behind that decision.
[10:58] <phillw> jarnos: on the meantime http://askubuntu.com/questions/561621/choosing-awk-version-on-ubuntu-14-04 should be of some assistance to you.
[11:04] <jarnos> phillw, other flavours such as Xubuntu have gawk installed as well by default. I think they use gawk by default as it has higher priority.
[11:05] <phillw> sudo update-alternatives --config awk
[11:05] <phillw> shows gawk as my default
[11:05] <phillw> I'm running 15.04
[11:08] <phillw> so, it appears to have changed since the LTS came out. It is doubtful that a change from mawk to gawk would be accepted as an SRU as it poses an issue of breaking anybody's scripts they have written around mawk. As evidenced by the OP in that post I flagged up.
[11:10] <phillw> I'm surmising that they keep mawk available precisely for that reason.
[11:11] <jarnos> phillw, and still they don't update mawk.
[11:12] <phillw> jarnos: what version of lubuntu are you using?
[11:15] <jarnos> phillw, they all use an old version http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mawk&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[11:17] <jarnos> phillw, according to http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu&pkglist=true&version=15.04#pkglist lubuntu 15.04 does not have gawk installed by default, so I suppose you have installed it afterwards.
[11:17] <phillw> not me.. i do not use awk :D
[11:17] <phillw> it may be part of the -dev suite, which I do have
[11:17] <jarnos> phillw, but maybe as a dependency for another package you have installed.
[11:20] <phillw> jarnos: indeed, I have just powered up a VM with 15.10 on and mawk is the only option.
[11:21] <phillw> my system has that many additions to it, I keep VM's for testing :D
[11:22] <jarnos> phillw,  "apt-cache rdepends -i --installed --recurse gawk |less" could show which package caused gawk to be installed.
[11:23] <phillw> my VM system.. libguest :D
[11:23] <phillw> which happens to be about the 2nd thing I install on a new machine :)
[11:24] <phillw> but, you say xubuntu 15.04 uses gawk and not mawk?
[11:26] <jarnos> phillw, I am not 100% sure, but it has both gawk and mawk installed by default: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xubuntu&pkglist=true&version=15.04#pkglist
[11:28] <phillw> jarnos: let me grab the iso and install it onto a VM.. it will take a short while, so don't think i have forgotten about you!
[11:29] <jarnos> phillw, ok
[11:29] <phillw> gawk is in the manifest.. so saves that step :)
[11:30] <phillw> and is not in the lubuntu mainfest.
[11:30] <phillw> manifest
[11:34] <phillw> jarnos: I can ask Julien to look into it, but as we are currently over sized on the desktop ISO I doubt he will be wanting to add anything to the manifest, when faced with trimming it.
[11:38] <phillw> All the other flavours have gone to DVD sized ISO's, lubuntu is the sole flavour that still has CD sized (and also the sole flavour that has alternate for the lower powered legacy machines that cannot run ubiquity).
[11:43] <jarnos> phillw, oh, not all older PCs can be booted using USB drive :(
[11:45] <phillw> which is why we face difficult decisions with what to leave out.. the recent cull of language packs and fonts has caused issues... :(
[11:46] <jarnos> phillw, file size of mawk_1.3.3-17ubuntu2_amd64.deb is 78870 whereas file size of gawk_4.0.1+dfsg-2.1ubuntu2_amd64.deb is 781466, about 10 times as big :o
[11:49] <phillw> possibly why it is not on lubuntu. I'd hazard a guess that Julien culled it in a previous session of putting the ISO on to a 'diet'.
[11:49] <jarnos> In the description mawk advertises "Mawk is smaller and much faster than gawk." but check this out: https://code.google.com/p/original-mawk/issues/detail?id=34
[11:50] <phillw> gawk is 653944 whilst mawk is 117768 on my 15.04 system
[11:53] <jarnos> phillw, ok, I just told size reported by apt-cache show
[11:57] <phillw> wb jarnos :)
[11:58] <jarnos> phillw, thanks. It was not good idea to run the test script in the link I posted with current mawk. I couldn't stop it by Ctrl-C.
[12:00] <phillw> he he... you got to love VMs :D
[12:01] <phillw> if the answer to the question "could something go wrong?" is yes... sandbox it :D A pre-installed VM takes a minute to start up :)
[12:04] <phillw> he he, no wonder xubuntu can have gawk in it... ISO is over 1GB in size!
[12:04] <jarnos> phillw, the first mawk command never finished. If you replace mawk by gawk in it, it is pretty fast. So quite the opposite that mawk description claims.
[12:04] <phillw> well, make that ~ 1GB :)
[12:05] <phillw> it is doubtful that Julien will add 1/2 a Mb onto the ISO just for gawk when faced with taking more things off it.
[12:06] <jarnos> phillw, but I think it is important that the base system is reliable.
[12:06] <phillw> So, it will go down as a "won't fix" I'm afraid.
[12:08] <phillw> jarnos: it is important that it supports the Japanese language - but the fonts have been removed. They have far more chance of being added back in. People who use awk will be expected to have enough technical knowledge to fathom out installing gawk if they need it.
[12:08] <jarnos> phillw, I hope they finally update mawk at least.
[12:08] <phillw> Julien is stuck between a rock and a hard place as to what is stripped out to maintain CD sized ISO
[12:10] <phillw> can you look up what version of mawk is in debian repo?
[12:10] <phillw> if it is a newer version, then I can ask Julien to request it be added to the ubuntu repo so it is picked up in the build.
[12:11] <phillw> bbs .. lunch time
[12:12] <jarnos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mawk/+bug/1332114
[12:21] <jarnos> phillw, it is still 1.3.3-17 in Debian:  https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mawk
[12:25] <phillw> in that case, it needs a sponsor in debian to pull in the newer version. Once it is in debian, it will trickle down into ubuntu (or can be manually asked for to speed things up). But, it has to be in debian repo first.
[12:26] <phillw> And, with that, I'm not running away but I have some other stuff to do as it is end of month for parent's company. I auto-join here, so please feel free to ping me with progress / questions.


[06:14] <luna-> anyone had any luck installing 23.10.1 tried to install it over 23.10 but it failed, trying to install it again in a fresh Virtualbox VM now
[06:24] <luna-> that worked better
[11:56] <seb128> lissyx, hey, what do you mean by -EPERM?
[11:56] <seb128> doing ./vainfo in the snap run shell wfm
[11:57] <lissyx> $ ./vainfo
[11:57] <lissyx> bash: ./vainfo: Permission denied
[11:57] <seb128> ls -l vainfo?
[11:57] <lissyx> $ ls -hal vainfo
[11:57] <lissyx> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31K Oct 17 13:54 vainfo
[11:57] <seb128> chown username:username vainfo ?
[11:58] <lissyx> ok, chown to the rescue worked
[11:58] <seb128> :)
[11:58] <seb128> it's weird, I could have expected the original cp to the userdir to set the right user permissions
[11:59] <lissyx> lol?
[11:59] <lissyx> VA-API is higher in snap than host
[11:59] <lissyx> but also mesa 23.0.4 vs mesa 23.2.1
[12:01] <seb128> lissyx, yes, we build a recent libva/intel-media-driver from source in the gnome sdk
[15:03] <lissyx> seb128, fun
[15:03] <lissyx> 23.10, with mozilla tarball, caps are not working for e.g. ç é
[15:03] <lissyx> 23.10 with snap, I cannot even input ç or é
[15:11] <lissyx> seb128, bandali, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1859584
[15:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1859584 in Firefox Build System "Wayland unable to input some chars on Ubuntu 23.10" [--, New]
[15:20] <seb128> lissyx, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1946769 is a bit similar
[15:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 1946769 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[snap] [' + c] produces 'ć' instead of 'ç' with US intl. layout" [Low, Confirmed]
[16:17] <lissyx> seb128, in my case the issue is not limited to snap, I think it's rather around wayland
[16:18] <lissyx> seb128, ok, I reproduce in GNOME Text Editor
[16:21] <lissyx> xev shows correct chars
[16:28] <lissyx> ÉÉ and it works under xwayland
[16:32] <seb128> lissyx, ok, well that's something if for once that's not a snap issue :p
[16:32] <lissyx> but it's system-wide :(


[13:02] <jd__> hey there
[13:03] <jd__> we're getting spammed by somebody and his autoresponder on certain projects, and this is pissing me off
[13:03] <jd__> is there anything we can do about this?
[13:05] <czajkowski> jd__: ys you can file a answer on lp
[13:05] <czajkowski> and one of the admins can see if it's approipate to suspend their account
[13:06] <jd__> thanks czajkowski
[14:21] <ricotz> hi, wani08 seems broken https://launchpad.net/builders/wani08
[14:24] <cjwatson> ricotz: thanks, put on manual
[14:27] <cjwatson> retried all the failures and asked operator to rebuild
[14:32] <ricotz> cjwatson, thx
[14:51] <cjwatson> ricotz: And trying now to fix infrastructure a bit so that this fails builders rather than builds ...


[01:43] <T3DY> Such a dead group
[02:35] <hallyn> zul: meh, i think my libvirt preinst/postinst bits to handle starting libvirt-guests is wrong altogether.
[02:36] <hallyn> zul: i think it needs to drop the preinst bit ,and just unconditionally start libvirt-guests.  which also has wrong name for libvirtd service.
[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:15] <teward> general question: I have a computer upon which I installed Ubuntu Server 14.04.3.  /etc/network/interfaces has `allow-hotplug eth0` and `iface eth0 inet dhcp` in it, but on boot it doesn't get configuration done for the network / IP.  Manual execution of `dhclient` makes it negotiate correctly.
[14:15] <teward> any ideas of diagnosing?
[14:20] <lordievader> Check the logs.
[14:21] <teward> which logs :P
[14:21]  * teward yawns
[14:22] <lordievader> dmesg, messages, syslog, etc
[14:24] <teward> mmmm
[14:25] <teward> nothing informative in dmesg, syslog.  except that pre-start terminated with status 1, and post-stop terminated with 100
[14:25] <teward> kernel earlier on also complains it terminated with status 1 twice
[14:25] <teward> but it doesn't appear informative of any specifics :/
[14:26] <lordievader> Pre/post start of what?
[14:26] <lordievader> Networking?
[14:27] <teward> mhm
[14:27]  * teward yawns
[14:27] <teward> sorry, i'm still waking up >.<
[14:27] <lordievader> Is that a yes?
[14:27] <teward> yes, it is
[14:27] <lordievader> teward: There is your problem.
[14:28] <teward> lordievader: uninformative error codes are uninformative.  any idea where they're documented?
[14:29] <lordievader> Err, no idea.
[14:29] <lordievader> Upstart keeps logs though.
[14:30] <teward> upstart's logs were helpful
[14:30] <teward> apparently it said invalid option placement.
[14:30] <teward> looking at the interfaces file, i had to open it in a different editor, but it found rogue ascii
[14:30] <teward> that answers the problem xD
[14:30] <teward> (neither nano nor vi nor vim showed the ascii.  hex editor found it ;P)
[14:45] <TJ-> teward: i usually find 'less' is good for spotting those random control codes, unless using 'less -r'
[14:49] <teward> ,,,
[14:49] <teward> mmm*
[14:49] <teward> yeah, well, meh
[14:49] <teward> found it, fixed it, problem solved :)
[17:03] <tgm4883> Trying to mount a hosts directory into an lxc container using the command listed as an example when running lxc config (which is "lxc config device add container1 mntdir disk source=/share/c1 path=opt"). I get no errors on the command line, but nothing in that folder is present when I do an ls from inside the container. Is there something else that needs to
[17:03] <tgm4883> be done?
[17:12] <tgm4883> Hmm, apparently it has to be stopped to add it
[18:50] <hallyn> zul: smb: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/12594504/ make sense to you?
[19:02] <zul> hallyn: oooks ok to me
[19:03] <hallyn> zul: does what i'm saying and doing make sense?
[19:03] <zul> yeah
[19:05] <hallyn> cool, thanks
[19:05] <hallyn> i'll push in a bit when i feel more couragious
[21:12] <Karunamon> hi folks, does anyone in here know anything enough about mdraid to explain why it can't see a mirrored drive from another system?
[21:14] <lordievader> Karunamon: Have you assembled them?
[21:17] <patdk-lap> have you put the disks from the other system into this one?
[21:17] <Karunamon> the one disk, yes
[21:17] <Karunamon> the other one is toast
[21:18] <Karunamon> if i do an mdadm -E /dev/sdb1, it sees the drive as part of an array, but the problem i'm having is actually getting the cursed thing mounted
[21:20] <lordievader> Karunamon: Probably since the other disk is not found it wont assemble it automatically, you have to do that manually.
[21:20] <Karunamon> an --assemble --scan shows me "/dev/sdb1 has wrong uuid"
[21:21] <TJ-> Karunamon: does the current system also have md arrays? If so, does the metadata on both have the same device node name (e.g. md0) ?
[21:21] <Karunamon> TJ-,no other arrays on the system
[21:25] <Karunamon> hm, there it goes. Apparently an earlier command had dumped a line for a non existent array into mdadm.conf
[21:25] <Karunamon> cleared that, --assemble --scan, and we're good
[21:25] <Karunamon> of course now the filesystem does not want to mount
[21:33] <Karunamon> so it's XFS.. (this much I know from memory), but it can't be mounted because it's trying to read beyond the end of the disk?
[21:36] <Karunamon> 262144 (sectors? blocks?) beyond the end
[21:39] <TJ-> Are you sure the original array was only RAID-1 ?
[21:39] <Karunamon> 100% positive. There were four drives in the old system, two RAID1 sets
[21:40] <bekks> Two raid1 sets or one raid10 set?
[21:40] <Karunamon> two raid1 sets (one was for the system, the other was for bulk storage)
[21:40] <TJ-> Karunamon: OK, it could be a HPA (Host Protected Area) issue I suppose.
[21:40] <Karunamon> i'm also sure this is the case since I set it up that way because there were two 500g drives and two 250g drives :)
[21:41] <Karunamon> oh boy.. this got complicated, then
[21:41] <Karunamon> because the drive is being accessed via a raw device mapping on an esx server connected as a single disk logical device on a HP raid controller >_<
[21:41] <TJ-> Karunamon: is the raw drive partitioned, or pure MD without a partition table?
[21:42] <Karunamon> it's partitioned, the first partition is the mdraid device
[21:45] <TJ-> Karunamon: which metadata version is the MD using (that affects where the metadata is in the underlying partition)
[21:45] <Karunamon> 1.2
[21:47] <TJ-> Did the error message about reading beyond end of device come from the kernel log? Can you show the exact message (and any surrounding messages that are relevant) ?
[21:49] <Karunamon> It did come from the kernel (per syslog), but what's there is pretty scant
[21:49] <Karunamon> lemme paste it
[21:51] <Karunamon> https://gist.github.com/4052b9be877070e2a5b7
[21:52] <Karunamon> the first one was during an attempt to mount, the second was during an xfs_repair attempt
[21:54] <TJ-> Karunamon: "capacity change from 0 to<PHONE_NUMBER>24" matches "limit=986244352" (in 512-byte sectors).
[21:55] <Karunamon> TJ-: so it's mdadm who has the wrong idea as to the size this thing should be
[21:55] <TJ-> Karunamon: what does "hdparm -N /dev/sdX" report about HPA?
[21:56] <Karunamon>  max sectors   = 0/1, HPA is enabled
[21:56] <TJ-> Karunamon: aha, so HPA = yes, but "0/1" ... that's not right!
[21:56] <Karunamon> there could be some strangeness because of the convoluted way this drive is mounted
[21:57] <TJ-> Karunamon: is it on a USB controller?
[21:57] <Karunamon> Worse. So this system is a VM, it's using a raw device mapping in ESXi to access the drive, itself connected to a raid controller as a single disk device
[21:58] <Karunamon> and before you ask: it's a SAS drive, and I don't have any other gear onhand to read those
[22:00] <Karunamon> so some quick searching.. this sounds like an automatic HPA unlocking thing that ubuntu had some issues with a while back?
[22:00] <TJ-> Karunamon: hmmm, can you use hdparm from the host?
[22:00] <Karunamon> it was unlocked on the previous system, and not here, so the end of the drive is seemingly missing?
[22:01] <Karunamon> not on the host unfortunately
[22:01] <TJ-> Karunamon: Yes. There's a trick many sysadmins uses to avoid this. When creating an MD device not allocating all the raw device, to allow HPA to be on/off without a problem. Not much help now of course :)
[22:02] <TJ-> Karunamon: what does this report? "hdparm --dco-identify /dev/sdX" ?
[22:12] <Karunamon> https://gist.github.com/16e60ab28ad2f02c8663
[22:12] <Karunamon> @TJ-
[22:13] <Karunamon> I'm thinking I could bring this drive into work if there's something to mutter at hdparm to get that hpa disabled
[22:13] <Karunamon> and get it plugged into real hardware
[22:14] <TJ-> Karunamon: looks like ESXi is getting in the way


[04:47] <zi> Pici: sup?
[04:48] <zi> Pici: saw your message regarding freebsd
[04:50] <zi> Pici: checked my scrollback and found two guys referencing the chan, ive told them to knock it off
[04:50] <zi> Pici: let me know if you run into anything else
[04:50] <zi> Pici: privmsg/whatever
[08:53] <retroispresto> Hai~
[08:53] <retroispresto> 5 more hours to go till it's been 2 days~
[11:07] <Tm_T> DJones: ah, I went with ban
[11:07] <DJones> Ah well, doubly whammy
[11:08] <DJones> Both are relevant, there's still one user connected from that address, but the +q will stop issues and your +b will stop anymore joining
[11:08] <DJones> And that ones quit
[11:09] <DJones> I'll remove the +q just leaving the +b
[20:30]  * genii feeds k1l more cookies


[00:25] <mhall119> #
[01:23] <mhall119> tgm4883: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/mythbuntu/mythtvservices-packaging it's not working quite right yet, so don't merge it into yours, I'm getting assitance in #debian-python on OFTC
[01:29] <tgm4883> mhall119, thanks
[01:59] <mhall119> tgm4883: you can merge in rev 5 of my branch, and run "debuild -uc -us -I.bzr" or "bzr builddeb"
[02:05] <tgm4883> mhall119, building now
[02:05] <tgm4883> \o/
[02:05] <tgm4883> mhall119, thank you!
[02:08] <mhall119> glad I could help
[02:08] <mhall119> thank paultag too if you see him
[02:09] <mhall119> tgm4883: if you want, I can help you make it debian-acceptable next week
[02:10] <tgm4883> mhall119, I suppose we could do that
[02:13] <tgm4883> mhall119, does that naming need to stay like that? python3-mythtvservices?
[02:27] <mhall119> tgm4883: that's the debian/ubuntu standard for python modules
[02:28] <tgm4883> mhall119, ah ok
[02:28] <tgm4883> I'll leave it then
[02:29] <tgm4883> mhall119, I need to have it install one more file (a picture), can I just do that in setup.py or does other stuff need to be done now
[02:29] <mhall119> you should be able to do it in setup.py as a data file
[02:29] <tgm4883> mhall119, ok that is what I was planning
[02:30] <mhall119> the packaging scripts are calling setup.py build and setup.py install, so it should automatically pick it up
[13:14] <bobweaver> mhall119,  after you wake up get coffee do everything that you need to do can you make me admin on facebook ?  I am going to have to make facebook account for myself as I do not have one. But I wanted to know if you can do that. before I make one. thanks
[13:27] <bobweaver> Look at this people are starting to use Ubuntu tv after yesterday !!
[13:27] <bobweaver> http://twitter.yfrog.com/mg3vartj