[19:19] <ghostcube> sudo infront
[19:19] <ghostcube> sorry
[19:20] <ghostcube> u must edit as sudo
[19:20] <Boinc> ok then when i save will it change the resolution automatically?
[19:20] <ghostcube> nah wait
[19:21] <ghostcube> scroll to the screen section
[19:22] <ghostcube> Boinc: still there ?
[19:22] <Boinc> yes m8 sorry first time using this and a little slow
[19:22] <Boinc> im there
[19:24] <vassili> hi all!
[19:25] <vassili> hi
[19:26] <tuxx> yo
[19:26] <vassili> hou are you?
[19:26] <tuxx> good...you?
[19:27] <vassili> im fine, thancs
[19:27] <vassili> kan you help me to find russian channel?
[19:27] <bazhang> !ru
[19:28] <tuxx> :-) here you go
[19:28] <vassili> oooh
[19:28] <vassili> i wil try
[19:29] <vassili> #ubuntu-ru
[19:29] <vassili> thanks!
[19:30] <tuxx> is it working?
[19:38] <Boinc> ghostcube, its a better resolution now but the screen goes beyong my monitor on the right and bottom of the screen and because of that i cannot see the taskbar
[19:38] <ghostcube> can u scroll it ?
[19:38] <Boinc> i could only launch xchat by adding an application launcher widget
[19:38] <ghostcube> u must install drivers
[19:38] <Boinc> no
[19:38] <ghostcube> what card is this
[19:39] <Boinc> i downloaded the drivers and saved them to the desktop but cannot see the file
[19:39] <Boinc> its an nvidia 8800 GTX
[19:39] <ghostcube> u cant install themi in grafical mode
[19:39] <Boinc> i think the file might have saved off the screen
[19:39] <ghostcube> they are in /home/ folder
[19:39] <ghostcube> u must loggoff and kill kdm
[19:40] <ghostcube> then u can install manually
[19:40] <Boinc> how do i unzip the file though?
[19:40] <ghostcube> this si a zip ?
[19:40] <ghostcube> not an  sh ?
[19:40] <Boinc> errm i'll have to check
[19:40] <ghostcube> alt + f2
[19:40] <ghostcube> terminal
[19:40] <ghostcube> ls
[19:41] <ghostcube> u are automatzicly in ure homefolder
[19:41] <ghostcube> if not there do
[19:41] <ghostcube> cd Desktop
[19:41] <Boinc> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run
[19:41] <ghostcube> and then an ls
[19:41] <ghostcube> ok
[19:41] <ghostcube> now its a bit tricky
[19:41] <Boinc> tssh
[19:41] <Boinc> i can write down the instructions if u dont mind helping?
[19:42] <ghostcube> no prob
[19:42] <Boinc> thank you very much
[19:42] <ghostcube> ctrl + f2 will bring up an login screen
[19:42] <ghostcube> there login as ure user
[19:42] <ghostcube> type in sudo killall  kdm
[19:43] <ghostcube> then after this x will be stoped from running
[19:43] <ghostcube> then do
[19:43] <ghostcube> sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run
[19:43] <ghostcube> it will build ask for building the kernel cause no matching one found
[19:43] <ghostcube> this must be marked yes
[19:43] <ghostcube> then if all runs fine
[19:43] <ghostcube> reboot
[19:43] <ghostcube> just sudo reboot
[19:44] <ghostcube> :)
[19:44] <Boinc> got it
[19:44] <ghostcube> try it
[19:44] <Boinc> thanks again, will try now
[19:45] <ghostcube> Boinc: its ctrl alt f2
[19:45] <ghostcube> sorry
[19:45] <ghostcube> my fault
[19:45] <Boinc> ahh was just coming back to u then hehe
[19:45] <Boinc> wasnt working
[19:45] <Boinc> hehe
[19:45] <Boinc> ta
[19:47] <ghostcube> heh killall kdm worked
[19:47] <ghostcube> :D
[19:48] <DarkriftX> lol
[19:49] <Boinc> ghostcube, when i type sudo killall kdrr it says no application running
[19:49] <ghostcube> kdm
[19:50] <ghostcube> but u left
[19:50] <ghostcube> so it should have workes
[19:50] <ghostcube> *d
[19:50] <ghostcube> not kdrr
[19:50] <ghostcube> :D
[19:50] <pim> how do I delete directories, commandline?
[19:50] <Boinc> im sorry i cannot read that text it looks like kdrr
[19:51] <KRF> pim, rmdir
[19:51] <ghostcube> pim: rm -r
[19:51] <pim> -r is recursive, what does it mean?
[19:51] <ghostcube> its an small M
[19:51] <ghostcube> m
[19:51] <Boinc> everything and sub directories
[19:51] <Boinc> m
[19:51] <ghostcube> yes
[19:52] <pim> everything and subdirectories ok
[19:52] <Boinc> wow the last leg of the m doesnt show for me
[19:52] <pim> thanks
[19:52] <Boinc> looks like rr
[19:52] <ghostcube> heh
[19:52] <Boinc> ok also need to get x64 drivers
[19:52] <ghostcube> oh
[19:52] <ghostcube> wait
[19:52] <Boinc> says i downloaded the x86 ones
[19:52] <ghostcube> do u need the 173 ?
[19:53] <Boinc> 173 version you mean?
[19:53] <Boinc> just the latest ones
[19:53] <Boinc> i found this but they look so old http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-9755.html
[19:54] <smarty> doesnt Kopete support Gtalk (Google Talk)?
[19:54] <ghostcube> english ?
[19:55] <ghostcube> Boinc: in terminal
[19:55] <ghostcube> wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.12-pkg2.run
[19:56] <Boinc> ghostcube, is that a beta driver?
[19:56] <ghostcube> no
[19:56] <Boinc> cos ive foudn some beta ones
[19:56] <Boinc> http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html
[19:56] <Boinc> which would be best?
[19:57] <Boinc> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
[19:57] <ghostcube> wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/177.67/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-177.67-pkg2.run
[19:57] <ghostcube> thats latest beta
[19:57] <gecko_> Hi guys, I'm trying to installed the game WOW, but i've noticed it doesnt download like "normal".. how do i get it to run in linux???
[19:57] <ghostcube> for  gtx
[19:57] <Boinc> ok bud, will try that now
[19:57] <Boinc> thanks again
[19:58] <Boinc> fingers crossed
[19:58] <KRF> gecko_, there's a nice tut on the wiki, just google "ubuntu wow"
[19:58] <gecko_> KRF: k, thanks.
[19:59] <Boinc> brb
[19:59] <Barackuse> I have a very strange issue here
[19:59] <Barackuse> If anyone would like to help
[20:00] <Barackuse> I can not access any web sites with firefox.  I can ping google.com from the cmd prompt and I can connect here.  I cant even connect to google via the ip address.
[20:01] <ghostcube> from the beginnging or just happened
[20:01] <Barackuse> I checked my router and DNS setting 3 times.  But as I say, I can ping yahoo, google and other web addresses from the command line.
[20:01] <ghostcube> is any other browser working ?
[20:03] <Barackuse> hmm  dont think I have another one on this machine, just came with fire fox
[20:04] <mondi> join/ #ubuntu-cz
[20:04] <ghostcube> konqueror
[20:04] <Barackuse> I can try and see if I can install another one
[20:04] <Barackuse> just strange to have this happen
[20:04] <ghostcube> Barackuse: konqueror should be installed
[20:04] <Barackuse> checking now
[20:06] <Barackuse> installing it now, for some reason just fire fox was this
[20:06] <ghostcube> what distrie is this
[20:06] <Barackuse> <IP_ADDRESS>  desktop ubuntu
[20:07] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get install firefox-3 --reinstall
[20:07] <ghostcube> brb
[20:08] <Barackuse> hmm this is not good.  I can bring up package installer and it checks and brings up a list of apps but when I select one to install iot hangs and the D/l prompt  -  so this tells me DNS is not working right
[20:08] <Barackuse> But I can ping dns names in the command prompt---  hmm
[20:08] <Boinc> ghostcube, ok we are getting there, the screen size fits the monitor now but ive no takbar
[20:08] <Boinc> which i never had before either
[20:09] <Boinc> sorry to be a pain
[20:09] <ghostcube> Boinc: open terminal and type kicker
[20:09] <blekos_> hi, i just upgraded from 3.5.9 to 3.5.10, are there any know issues? I am having problems with logout (i get a blank screen) and my taskbar disappears
[20:09] <ghostcube> blekos: u habve installed compiz-taskbar-fusion ?
[20:10] <blekos_> i think i had but i do not use it
[20:10] <Boinc> ghostcube, its not installed, should i install it?
[20:10] <ghostcube> blekos: uninstall it
[20:10] <ghostcube> Boinc: yes
[20:10] <ghostcube> Boinc: is this kubuntu ?
[20:10] <Boinc> yes m8
[20:10] <Boinc> fresh install
[20:10] <ghostcube> Boinc: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[20:10] <ghostcube> :|
[20:11] <ghostcube> Boinc: before do me a favour
[20:11] <Boinc> ghostcube,  - kicker is installed now
[20:11] <ghostcube> Boinc: kicker & disown in terminal
[20:11] <Boinc> my taskbar is there and it looks better than it did before
[20:11] <ghostcube> Boinc: heh
[20:11] <ghostcube> ok now
[20:11] <ghostcube> Boinc: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[20:11] <ghostcube> but before as i said
[20:11] <Boinc> kicker: WARNING:     *******WARNING****** index=3is out of bounds.
[20:11] <ghostcube> do me a favour
[20:12] <blekos_> could u tell me the command for restarting x
[20:12] <Boinc> sure?
[20:12] <blekos_> ?
[20:12] <ghostcube> ctrl alt backspace
[20:12] <ghostcube> blekos:
[20:12] <Boinc> downloading 411mb
[20:12] <ghostcube> Boinc: open /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:12] <blekos_> doesnt work, is there a command line?
[20:12] <Boinc> ghostcube, downloading 411 to resinstall
[20:13] <Boinc> 411mb*
[20:13] <ghostcube> killall kdm then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[20:13] <ghostcube> blekos:
[20:13] <ghostcube> Boinc: edit this file with sudo kate /etc/apt/(sources.list
[20:14] <ghostcube> Boinc: edit this file with sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:14] <Boinc> ghostcube, default display kdm or kdm-kde4? i downloaded the kd44 installed
[20:14] <ghostcube> ????
[20:14] <Boinc> ghostcube, i cannot im installing what you told me to install before
[20:14] <Boinc> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[20:14] <ghostcube> Boinc: you are on 4.1 ?
[20:14] <Boinc> i think so
[20:14] <miknolan> join #kde-devel
[20:14] <mefisto__> would this work? sudo /etc/init.d/x11-common restart
[20:14] <ghostcube> use kdm4
[20:15] <ghostcube> mefisto__: never tried :|
[20:15] <Boinc> ok
[20:16] <mefisto__> !sudo
[20:16] <Boinc> ok ghostcube  its finnished
[20:16] <ghostcube> Boinc: in this file just remove the # infront of lines starting  with deb
[20:16] <pim> !kdesudo
[20:16] <mefisto__> thanks pim, that's what I wanted
[20:16] <pim> np
[20:25] <vassili_> #kubuntu-ru
[20:26] <vassili_> "kuku
[20:26] <vassili_> "kuku-ru
[20:26] <vassili_> #kuku-ru
[20:35] <vyrgozunqk> mm now compiling kernel <IP_ADDRESS> :]
[20:36] <vyrgozunqk> and if everything works afreter installing it, i'll buy a beer to everybody here
[20:36] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[20:37]  * ghostcube takes a mohito pls i hate beer
[20:37] <ghostcube> ^^
[20:37] <vyrgozunqk> no problem :]
[20:37] <ghostcube> heh
[20:38] <vyrgozunqk> i'll send it to you by ebay ;D
[20:38] <vyrgozunqk> for 25 euro
[20:38] <ghostcube> :D
[20:38] <ghostcube> nah then i mix one myself
[20:38] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[20:38] <ghostcube> but thx
[20:38] <ghostcube> :D
[20:38] <vyrgozunqk> 25 eu for the road ;)
[20:39] <ghostcube> :|
[20:39] <ghostcube> nah
[20:39] <ghostcube> im student im poor
[20:39] <ghostcube> :X
[20:39] <vyrgozunqk> the courier has to pay his gasoline :]
[20:39] <vyrgozunqk> we'll i'm too a student, and i'm a poor as as a stinkin rat
[20:39] <vyrgozunqk> ;)
[20:40] <ghostcube> rofl
[20:40] <vyrgozunqk> pff till now the kernel's compiling for almost an hour :/
[20:41] <vyrgozunqk> after that the system is gonna reconfigure xorg, and then i have to recompile wine... that will be another hour... :(
[20:41] <ghostcube> takes time
[20:42] <vyrgozunqk> crappy old Athlon XP :D
[20:43] <vyrgozunqk> only if i haded a Core 2 Duo E2180 ( multiplier 10x ) overclocked to 3.6 Ghz... mmm :]
[20:44] <vyrgozunqk> ]:-}
[20:44] <nickgaydos> lol
[20:47] <vyrgozunqk> yep and that budget CPU cost around 50 $ and more 60 $ for the MB = 110 $... but i don't have such a large sum... cane somebody give me the money, i promise to return them back as soon as i get my first pension
[20:47] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[20:51] <Roey> Hello
[20:51] <Roey> what's with the Pidgin package?
[20:51] <vyrgozunqk> hi
[20:51] <vyrgozunqk> why ?
[20:51] <Roey> I don't see any standard Pidgin icon in my tray
[20:51] <Roey> and it doesn't flash or highlight when someone messages me
[20:52] <vyrgozunqk> hmm maybe its something in the options menu...
[21:03] <Roey> vyrgozunqk:  hmm, maybe
[21:03] <Roey> I check
[21:03] <vyrgozunqk> have you found something ?
[21:05] <Roey> I didnt
[21:05] <Roey> not exactlyu
[21:05] <Roey> though I re-started it and now I have the familiar green/orange icon
[21:05] <Roey> thanks!
[21:09] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[21:09] <Denise> crazy world
[21:10] <vyrgozunqk> Why ?
[21:11] <Denise> I m always scared to do mistakes
[21:11] <Denise> and do the wrong moves
[21:11] <vyrgozunqk> mhm, always gets so ;D
[21:12] <tuxx> im scared of these things too :-)
[21:12] <vyrgozunqk> if yo're scared from them, then they'll happen to you ;)
[21:13] <tuxx> yep, and people around are angry with me
[21:13] <Denise> mayeb at the last moment i did the suicidal move
[21:13] <vyrgozunqk> its a good thing to experiment :)
[21:13] <vyrgozunqk> and take a risc
[21:13] <vyrgozunqk> what have you done ?
[21:13] <Denise> just back a man in my pidgin
[21:14] <Denise> all my system was clean
[21:14] <Denise> now I dunno if i canceled the job or not
[21:15] <Denise> this is complicated that ubuntu
[21:15] <tuxx> everything need time to get used to it
[21:16] <vyrgozunqk> especially if you were used to windoze :D
[21:16] <Denise> I was used to zombizz
[21:16] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[21:17] <tuxx> i was today xtremly angry with the way of installation of frostwire
[21:17] <Denise> and now u are happy?
[21:18] <vyrgozunqk> if everything well ok, he should be happy :]
[21:18] <tuxx> ofc :-) after half an hour spending srearching through google
[21:18] <vyrgozunqk> :D
[21:18] <Boinc> ghostcube, i re-installed and i have the default taskbar again. whats the channel you said i should use though cos i cant remember? ive tried #kubuntu-dev but no ones in there
[21:18] <vyrgozunqk> the open source sommunity is now growing faster than ever, so people be pacient
[21:19] <tuxx> i can't understand, why i need to type dpkg blahblah instead of double clicking od that deb archive
[21:19] <ghostcube> #kubuntu-kde4
[21:19] <Boinc> ahh thanks
[21:19] <vyrgozunqk> maybe your home folder is with name that differs from english
[21:20] <vyrgozunqk> cause if your ddeb files is on desktop or home with different name gdebi can't work with them
[21:20] <ghostcube> tuxx: :| dpkg -i isnt much work i think so
[21:20] <Andrew_Barber> Is there a reason I would get audio from my front jack but not the rear?
[21:20] <vyrgozunqk> well but after all it's a bit of a work ;)
[21:21] <vyrgozunqk> you haven't configured alsa ...
[21:21] <Andrew_Barber> vyrgozunqk: whats the best way to do this?
[21:22] <vyrgozunqk> thought alsa mixer
[21:22] <Andrew_Barber> vyrgozunqk: hmm $alsamixer   ?
[21:22] <vyrgozunqk> ops Kmix
[21:23] <vyrgozunqk> :]
[21:23] <tuxx> ghostcube: dpkg worked...only that double clicking wasnt
[21:23] <Andrew_Barber> vyrgozunqk: I've been trying to get it to work from kmix forever
[21:24] <ghostcube> so what is the prob exactly
[21:24] <ghostcube> only front speakers working ?
[21:24] <Andrew_Barber> yes ghostcube
[21:24] <vyrgozunqk> wait a sec to make a screenshot
[21:24] <ghostcube> u got 5.1 ?
[21:24] <Andrew_Barber> No
[21:24] <Andrew_Barber> Im going from rear audio jack to rca cable on my tv
[21:25] <ghostcube> ahh ok
[21:25] <Andrew_Barber> It works with ubuntu, but not kubuntu so I know its a config somewhere
[21:25] <ghostcube> so this is line out ?
[21:25] <vyrgozunqk> should be there
[21:25] <tuxx> are there any drivers for Creative usb soundblaster audio?
[21:26] <Andrew_Barber> ghostcube: Yes line out.
[21:27] <mefisto__> so you want to use your tv for sound output?
[21:28] <Boinc> if i enable desktop effects and it messes up how can i revert back?
[21:28] <ghostcube> disable them ?
[21:29] <Boinc> how if i cannot see anything?
[21:29] <Andrew_Barber> mefisto__: Yes sir
[21:29] <ghostcube> Boinc: why is it messed up
[21:29] <ghostcube> :|
[21:30] <Boinc> its ok bud its worked, things went black and white last time and i had to re-install
[21:30] <Boinc> think its because i didnt have the drivers installed
[21:30] <mefisto__> Andrew_Barber: and this setup is working in ubuntu but not kubuntu?
[21:30] <smarty> quick question: is it possible to keep windows on a particular desktop. forexample, i dont want to see firefox open in desktop 2 when its open in desktop 1 (i dont want to see the firefox tab in the panel)
[21:30] <Boinc> one last thing, how do i enable my other monitors please?
[21:30] <ghostcube> Boinc: with nvidia drivers all should work
[21:31] <ghostcube> Boinc: u can do this with a trick type in terminal nvidia-settings
[21:31] <ghostcube> this opens nvidia tool its like windooz a bit
[21:31] <Boinc> will try
[21:31] <ghostcube> u will figuere this out  but only apply
[21:31] <ghostcube> dont save to oiginal xorg.conf
[21:32] <ghostcube> if u have done all and want to start by default
[21:32] <ghostcube> save the settings to desktop
[21:32] <ghostcube> and use only the changes inside of the new file
[21:32] <ghostcube> and put them into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:32] <ghostcube> ;)
[21:33] <mefisto__> smarty: if I understand you correctly, you can do that by right-click the panel, configure panel, taskbar, and untick "show windows from all desktops"
[21:33] <Boinc> so just save settings to desktop unless i want to use them by default?
[21:33] <vyrgozunqk> now i'm really nervous
[21:33] <ghostcube> Boinc: nah just apply
[21:33] <vyrgozunqk> i want to kill somebody
[21:33] <ghostcube> if u want to use temp
[21:33] <Boinc> but will they stay enabled when i reboot?
[21:33] <ghostcube> if u want to use default safe the ile to desktop not to etc
[21:34] <ghostcube> and then only use the changes
[21:34] <ghostcube> and copy them over
[21:34] <ghostcube> so u wont kill the working xorg
[21:34] <Boinc> i'll get it working first
[21:34] <Boinc> im not the cleverest person in the world
[21:35] <Andrew_Barber> most clever***
[21:35] <ghostcube> Andrew_Barber: hmm my line out works
[21:35] <Andrew_Barber> ghostcube: hmmm yah only my front wks ..
[21:35] <Boinc> hmm it wont let me use the other monitors unless i select another x session
[21:35] <ghostcube> Boinc: twinview
[21:35] <Andrew_Barber> Is there a certain channel for rear jack??
[21:36] <Boinc> only lets me do twinview on the monitor on the same video card
[21:36] <ghostcube> have u enabled full duplex in systemsettings
[21:36] <Boinc> ive got 2 cards and 4 monitors. 1 monitor is a tv that i just turn on now and again to watch movies on
[21:36] <ghostcube> oi
[21:36] <Boinc> full duplex, no this is the first time ive ever used this
[21:36] <Boinc> where do i go please?
[21:37] <ghostcube> Boinc: nah was for andrew
[21:37] <ghostcube> :D
[21:37] <Boinc> ohh
[21:37] <mefisto__> Boinc: some video drivers (like mine) need the tv to be on when booting up, otherwise tv out won't work
[21:37] <Andrew_Barber> I think it is not selected
[21:37] <ghostcube> u can set up the two cards by crating two devices
[21:37] <Boinc> mefisto__,  - i dont want to use the tv mainly though, i just want the 3 monitors really
[21:37] <Andrew_Barber> now its e=selected and no change
[21:38] <Boinc> im happy leaving the tv off
[21:38] <veritas__> blast it, my prtscreen button stoppworking after migrating to KDE4.1
[21:38] <ghostcube> Boinc:  u need to tell xorg the both cards and manage the windows by twinview then
[21:39] <ghostcube> i dont know how to get 3 windows on
[21:39] <ghostcube> never tried so far
[21:39] <Andrew_Barber> would nvidia-settings help with this??
[21:39] <ghostcube> if it detects both cards yes
[21:39] <Andrew_Barber> Boinc.. nvidia cards>?
[21:39] <mano> hello all!!
[21:39] <ghostcube> Boinc: is nidia-settings detecting both cards
[21:39] <Boinc> it detecs both cards, 3 monitors and the tv
[21:39] <ghostcube> cool
[21:40] <ghostcube> so set all up and save the xorg.conf file
[21:40] <mano> i want to change kubuntu to spanish, what do i have to install?
[21:40] <Boinc> ghostcube,  but i can only enable the other 2 monitors as a seperate x screen
[21:40] <ghostcube> yes
[21:41] <ghostcube> this is normal for two cards
[21:41] <Boinc> im not sure what that means but i want to move seemingless between all 3 monitors
[21:41] <Boinc> as though it was 1 monitor
[21:41] <ghostcube> this could be workiong as i said never tried this
[21:41] <mano> pleease help with spanish
[21:41] <Boinc> ok i'll try
[21:41] <Twen> Hi, which package should I install to play with kdevelop & Qt4 ?
[21:41] <ghostcube> !spain
[21:42] <ghostcube> !es
[21:42] <ghostcube> :)
[21:42] <pablo_> does anyone know if amsn is working now or it still sucks ?
[21:43] <mefisto__> mano: in systemsettings, regional and language, there is a button "install new language"
[21:43] <veritas__> can anyone figure out what distro/liveCD this is from? http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8334/snapshot2qs6.png
[21:43] <veritas__> hm
[21:43] <smarty> anyone know how to remove the bubble that comes down when someone messages u in kopete
[21:43] <pablo_> does anyone know if amsn is working now or it still sucks ?
[21:43] <veritas__> smarty: yes, remove all notifications
[21:44] <ghostcube> veritas__: knoppix :|
[21:44] <veritas__> ghostcube: thx
[21:44] <smarty> veritas: where do i do that
[21:44] <Andrew_Barber> ghostcube you think knoppix? I was gonna guess slax
[21:44] <ghostcube> could be any opensuse too
[21:45] <Dragnslcr> smarty- Settings -> Configure Notifications
[21:45] <ghostcube> but knoppix is mostly filles with packages
[21:45] <Andrew_Barber> true
[21:45] <smarty> damn, i feel like an idiot - thanks
[21:45] <ghostcube> or sabayon if compiz is on
[21:47] <veritas__> the screenshot looked like a sabayon liveCD
[21:48] <pablo> hi .. im nex in ubuntu and wanted to know how  is it that KOPETE works ... how do i get to see my contacts '??
[21:48] <veritas__> you first have to add an account
[21:48] <pablo> where is that option ?
[21:48] <veritas__> goto configure->accounts
[21:50] <Twen> which package should I install to play with kdevelop & Qt4 ?
[21:50] <veritas__> Twen: apt-get kdevelop libqt4-core
[21:51] <Twen> thanks veritas_
[21:53] <pablo>  thanks veritas_
[21:56] <Boinc> ghostcube, i keep trying to enable the other monitor but i need to apply it to the config i think which i cannot do
[22:00] <Boinc> ghostcube, it cannot create or delete backup files. im guessing as it doesnt have permissions too do anything in /etc/X11 directory
[22:00] <Boinc> so i cannot save configs and enable the other monitors
[22:01] <ghostcube> hmm just save the file to desktop
[22:01] <ghostcube> u can choose this
[22:01] <Boinc> cant save there either
[22:01] <Boinc> ohh saved now
[22:02] <ghostcube> ok so maybe backup the old xorg.conf as xorg.conf-backup
[22:02] <ghostcube> and then edit it
[22:02] <DarkriftX> anyone know how to make startx start kde4 instead of 3?
[22:03] <Boinc> think ive managed it
[22:03] <DarkriftX> i installed kde4, and it killed kdm.... so now i get a console login and use startx to start kde, but id like to have the option of kde3 or 4
[22:03] <Boinc> so do i paste the contents into my existing file or replace it?
[22:03] <ghostcube> hmmm maybe just copy the new one to /etc/X11
[22:04] <ghostcube> if this works
[22:04] <ghostcube> sudo cp
[22:04] <ghostcube> and make a backup from the old one
[22:08] <Boinc> ghostcube, ok done
[22:08] <Boinc> do i restart whole pc or just gui with ctrl+alt_backspace ?
[22:08] <ghostcube> restart x should do it
[22:09] <Boinc> ok brb, thank you again
[22:13] <Barackuse> woot, on the internet now
[22:13] <Barackuse> has anyone had trouble getting flash installed and working?
[22:16]  * Boinc kisses ghostcube
[22:16] <Boinc> working buddy
[22:16] <mefisto__> !flash
[22:18] <Boinc> ghostcube,  - one more thing please, i have another 2 hard drives that are not plugged in. Can I just plug them in and i can access them?
[22:18] <Barackuse> yea thanks, been there, read that, twice.  But I did manage to get it working, thanks again for your help
[22:18] <ghostcube> Boinc: heh cool that it works
[22:19] <ghostcube> Boinc: if u plug them in they should be noticed
[22:19] <ghostcube> in /dev/sdx
[22:19] <Boinc> ghostcube,  - sorry im lost
[22:20] <Boinc> their sata hard drives
[22:20] <ghostcube> Boinc: if u plug the drives to mb
[22:20] <mefisto__> Barackuse: so flash is working? you solved the problem already?
[22:20] <ghostcube> and reboot they should be there
[22:20] <Boinc> ok great i'll try now
[22:20] <Boinc> brb
[22:20] <ghostcube> u will find them in /dev
[22:20] <Boinc> ok 2 ticks buddy
[22:20] <Boinc> brb
[22:22] <rohan> hi. i have the "apache2" package installed. how do i prevent the web server from starting on every boot? i don't know how to disable services in upstart
[22:23] <ghostcube> couldnt this be done by dpkg-reconfigure apache2 ?
[22:23] <ghostcube> isnt itasking for start method
[22:23] <shamil> ok rohan
[22:23] <shamil> what you need to do is go into system settings
[22:23] <shamil> once in there click the advanced tab
[22:23] <shamil> then click system services
[22:23] <DarkriftX> i cant remember where to go to change the kicker background
[22:24] <shamil> then you should be able to disable the web server from starting upon startup
[22:24] <ghostcube> rightklick kicker panel
[22:24] <rohan> shamil: wow, that works! thanks a lot
[22:24] <ghostcube> preferences
[22:24] <ghostcube> last tab down
[22:24] <shamil> darkriftx
[22:24] <shamil> i have your answer
[22:24] <DarkriftX> ahhh
[22:24] <DarkriftX> found it
[22:24] <DarkriftX> didnt think to right click on kicker :S
[22:24] <shamil> you got it
[22:25] <shamil> does anyone have an answer for me:p
[22:25] <shamil> i'm running dual monitors, and the applet chooser for kicker is not showing up with the option to add another system tray
[22:25] <shamil> i know i have that applet otherwise i wouldn't have a system tray in the first place
[22:25] <shamil> this is super annoying:(
[22:26] <shamil> i just want two system trays for kicker
[22:26] <DarkriftX> ok, now how do i change the color of text on buttons?
[22:26] <DarkriftX> i picked a color scheme, and i like everything except for text color
[22:26] <shamil> ok
[22:27] <shamil> i know this one
[22:27] <shamil> this one was slightly complicated:p
[22:28] <DarkriftX> found it!
[22:28] <DarkriftX> im getting good at this lol
[22:28] <shamil> ok:p
[22:28] <shamil> yeah the font color choosing for kicker is a little harder to find:p
[22:28] <ghostcube> systemsettings appearance klick the one u need in colors
[22:28] <ghostcube> :)
[22:29] <shamil> actually ghostcube systemsettings, going to appearance, and then clicking colors is actually where you do not change the color of the font for kicker
[22:29] <ghostcube> nah for the text
[22:30] <shamil> for changing the color of the text for kicker, right click on kicker to configure it
[22:30] <shamil> it's in there
[22:30] <ghostcube> thats not what he asked but :)
[22:30] <DarkriftX> nice
[22:30] <DarkriftX> made everything a little darker
[22:31] <DarkriftX> i just wish i didnt have to restart xchat everytime i make changes to preview them
[22:31] <shamil> oh well:p
[22:31] <ghostcube> kwin --replace &
[22:31] <ghostcube> will reload kwin
[22:31] <shamil> lol, it sucks when kwin crashes:p
[22:31] <ghostcube> im not on kwin
[22:32] <shamil> yes but in general, it just sucks when kwin crashes
[22:32] <ghostcube> sure thats why im not on kwin :D
[22:32] <shamil> good idea
[22:32] <ghostcube> so i have a puffer for crashes
[22:32] <ghostcube> :D
[22:32] <shamil> kwin works pretty good, but when it crashes, you can't move any open windows at all
[22:33] <shamil> which window manager you use?
[22:33] <ghostcube> compiz
[22:33] <mefisto__> the alt-mouse combo still works to move windows, doesn't it?
[22:33] <shamil> oh wow
[22:34] <ghostcube> medo: yep
[22:34] <ghostcube> ups
[22:34] <ghostcube> mefisto__: yep
[22:34] <shamil> i don't like compiz too much, it's really nice, but i wish it were more stable...which is increasing, other than that, i have to shut it down when i play my games anyway
[22:35] <omar> kubuntu is unstable
[22:35] <shamil> without compiz kde has more than enough customizibility for eye candy for me anyway
[22:35] <ghostcube> shamil: i can pülay my games with compiz enabled :)
[22:36] <shamil> i'd get some really bad slow downs if i did
[22:36] <ghostcube> i only play 2  games
[22:36] <omar> ese sebas
[22:36] <omar> hola jessi
[22:36] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I remember having issues with GL games and Compiz
[22:36] <jessica> hey guys
[22:36] <Dragnslcr> That was the only real stability problem I remember
[22:36] <shamil> i was playing openarena and frozenbubble and chromium
[22:36] <shamil> omar, sometimes ubuntu doesn't put out good releases
[22:37] <ghostcube> i play et and doom 3 :D
[22:37] <ghostcube> but enough ot
[22:37] <shamil> cool
[22:37] <ghostcube> :|
[22:37] <shamil> :p
[22:37] <shamil> considering my last card was a 7600gt
[22:37] <shamil> compiz pissed me off sometimes
[22:37] <omar> someone knows how ti play age of empires with hamcho on kubuntu?
[22:37] <omar> how to sorry
[22:37] <shamil> yes omar, get wine
[22:37] <omar> hamachi
[22:38] <shamil> hop into console and do "sudo apt-get install wine"
[22:38] <omar> but the game run stable?
[22:38]  * jessica is tierd
[22:38] <shamil> idk if it will or not
[22:38] <omar> yes i have winE
[22:38] <shamil> i don't have age of empires
[22:38] <shamil> ok
[22:38] <shamil> i have a reference for you then
[22:38] <mefisto__> omar: it's stable, but a little slower than running natively in windows. depends on the speed of your machine I suppose
[22:39] <shamil> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1007 here you go omar
[22:39] <omar> thank you shamil
[22:39] <shamil> that'll give you everything you need to know about running age of empires in wine that you need to know
[22:39] <shamil> and tested on hardy as well
[22:40] <mefisto__> omar: I didn't even have to install it in wine, just ran the executable from my windows partition and it worked perfectly
[22:40] <shamil> that'll do it too:), if you already have it installed in windows, just run the executable
[22:41] <shamil> run the executable in ubuntu...since you have wine
[22:41] <Boinc> ghostcube, ive had to bootup from the boot cd as when i plugged the other 2 drives in, it loads kububtu but do not load the x session. it sits there with a black screen and no hard drive activity. I tried it with 2 drives and it did the same, so i tried it with my original drive and it still just shows a black screen.
[22:41] <Boinc> seems its messed up something
[22:41] <omar> do you know how to play it with hamachi
[22:42] <uoaphys> Hi, in K3B, when I burn 4.5GB of files onto a 4.7gb data dvd in data dvd compilation mode, why does an info line come up that says "Trying to write more than the official disk capacity" ?
[22:42] <shamil> no i don't omar, i have never played age of empires:p
[22:43] <shamil> uoaphys, 4.7gb is only 4464mb
[22:43] <shamil> do you calculations for burning dvd's in mb, then you'll probably wont be trying to overfill a dvd on accident
[22:43] <omar> it was for mefisto... sorry
[22:44] <uoaphys> oh crap, so if its overfilled, it just hoses the dvd?
[22:44] <uoaphys> im like 20MB over then if that is the case shamil
[22:44] <Boinc> help - what can i do if kubuntu tries to load but im just getting a black screen when the x session starts?
[22:44] <shamil> no if it's over filled it wont burn:p
[22:45] <uoaphys> shamil, but it says its more than the official disk size
[22:45] <shamil> so remove some data from the burn session before you burn
[22:45] <uoaphys> shamil, why does K3B show my session to be 4.5GB then if it doesn't bother to show the difference?
[22:45] <uoaphys> yea i already started the session... I guess we will see what happens
[22:45] <shamil> because burning dvd's is a lot different than burning cd's
[22:46] <shamil> that's why when i burn i do all my calculations in MB because the gb field can be a bit misleading
[22:46] <uoaphys> yea, shouldn't the dvd burning app kinda do the calculation automatically though?
[22:46] <shamil> it does
[22:47] <uoaphys> it says 4.5GB here, and i stuck in a dvd that says 4.7gb on it
[22:47] <shamil> plus i just opened up k3b, it says only 4.4 of a dvd can be burned
[22:47] <uoaphys> so no it doesn't
[22:47] <shamil> ok
[22:47] <shamil> uoaphys
[22:47] <shamil> open up k3b real fast
[22:47] <uoaphys> k
[22:47] <shamil> and then click burn dvd data disc
[22:47] <uoaphys> ok well i will ahve to wait till k3b finishes this burn
[22:47] <uoaphys> sorry
[22:47] <uoaphys> i'll check it out tho
[22:47] <shamil> oh ok:p
[22:48] <shamil> anyway
[22:48] <mefisto__> uoaphys: see bottom right of window, where it says Available 4.4gb 4.4gb? right-click that, and you'll get an explanation, or you can change the size
[22:48] <DarkriftX> is there a way to make the kicker image work for the time/date also? it looks like crap the way it is
[22:48] <shamil> mefisto, thx, that's what i was trying to point him too:)
[22:48] <shamil> darkriftx, right click on the clock
[22:48] <shamil> and then click configure clock
[22:49] <mefisto__> basically 4.7gb is a lie, kind of
[22:49] <DarkriftX> im there, but it only lets you pick colors
[22:49] <DarkriftX> my kicker image is a gradient
[22:49] <shamil> it lets yo upick more
[22:49] <shamil> you can change the clock type, and the background for the clock in there
[22:49] <uoaphys> mefisto, i can understand that, its just that when I was compiling my disk to 4.5GB (4483MB) it did no warnings or anything until after i started the burn process.. thats really the main thing that is frustrating i guess
[22:50] <MrKennie> 4.7GB is correct
[22:50] <shamil> well now you know you the truth uoaphys:)
[22:50] <MrKennie> it's actually 4.4GiB
[22:51] <shamil> a tip for you uoaphys, use dvd-rw's for practice burns, or just use dvd-rw's in general:)
[22:51] <shamil> you can always rewrite them, and that is really handy
[22:51] <uoaphys> naa dvd-r is cheaper and if iburn a coaster its not the end of the world for me, mostly time really
[22:52] <shamil> aaah, true, but i'm still using my stack of 25 dvd-rw media from 2 years ago
[22:52] <uoaphys> i have had lots of probs with DVD-RW's because even the slightest scratches on the surface after using them a few times causes the burns to be less and less reliable
[22:52] <uoaphys> so IMO, RW is misleading, unless you plan to not use the RW in between rewrites
[22:52] <shamil> having a good brand of rw media, and it lasts a long time, plus i use dvd+rw's, the dvd-rw's are actually not as good
[22:53] <uoaphys> yea but even a piece of dust can ruin the burn process on a dvd
[22:53] <shamil> yeah
[22:53] <shamil> you use + or - dvd media?
[22:53] <uoaphys> i use -R but thats cos thats what I got
[22:53] <uoaphys> never really bothered with +r all that much, here and there though
[22:54] <Boinc> help - what can i do if kubuntu tries to load but im just getting a black screen when the x session starts?
[22:54] <shamil> ok, use that till you run out, the next purchase you should make is +, check out the tech specs for +
[22:54] <uoaphys> kinda against the whole principle of sony making a +R to thumb their nose as the official -R standard
[22:54] <shamil> +r and -r were competing standards, but all dvd players and burners support them today
[22:55] <uoaphys> yea, they do
[22:55] <DarkriftX> ok, one more q.... can i tell kde to show 24px icons on desktop instead of 32px?
[22:55] <shamil> usually the more popular standard wins, which doesn't mean the best standard won, + works very good:)
[22:55] <uoaphys> but -R was the standard, sony came out with + a year afterwards for real no apparent reason
[22:55] <uoaphys> now when you buy a a +r you pay sony a few cents per disk
[22:55] <uoaphys> in royalties
[22:55] <shamil> lol, i know, +r has better jitter correction and so on though:p
[22:56] <uoaphys> yea, it has better multisession too, and stuff like that
[22:56] <ghostcube> Boinc: hmmm
[22:56] <ghostcube> are the drives still connected ?
[22:57] <shamil> the one thing i hate about dvd media, is that the 9gb dvd's don't come in rw:(
[22:57] <Boinc> no m8, ive disconnected them
[22:57] <ErikWestrup> How do I get the current time from the terminal?
[22:57] <uoaphys> 9gb, as in DL's?
[22:57] <MrKennie> date
[22:57] <ghostcube> Boinc: and u removed the cd from the drive
[22:57] <shamil> there's 4.7gb dvd media and 9gb dvd media
[22:57] <ghostcube> to boot the kernel on the default hd
[22:57] <gkffjcs_> How do I start my wireless networking before I start the x server, for instance if I want /home to be an nfs mount
[22:58] <Boinc> ghostcube, it wasnt it
[22:58] <Boinc> ghostcube, i only put it in to boot back up in here so i could talk to you
[22:58] <shamil> 9gb might be what you want to purchase next, since you don't care about RW capability like me, that 9gb preference sounds like it fits you good though
[22:58] <uoaphys> hey u guys wanna know how lame ubuntu is (the gnome version) when you enable compiz on the desktop, the "show desktop" button TOGGLES minimizing and restoring all the windows on your desktop, rather than actually showing you the desktop, lame ehh?
[22:58] <MrKennie> gkffjcs_: I configured mine manually but I think wicd might work too.
[22:59] <telecaster> hi
[22:59] <uoaphys> so if its the second click of the show desktop button, even if you want it to show the desktop, it goes ahead and restores everything first lol
[22:59] <Boinc> basically everything was working then once i plugged the other drives in it messed up. unplugged them and still just get a black screen
[22:59] <shamil> ............uoaphys, one of the other reasons i don't use compiz:p
[22:59] <ghostcube> Boinc: if u get the black screen try to type
[22:59] <ghostcube> startx
[22:59] <uoaphys> shamil; yea but u know whats lame, i reported it to launchpad, and they closed it and said "someone should report this to gnome"
[22:59] <uoaphys> im like, LAME, i already reported it!!!!
[22:59] <ghostcube> if this isnt working do a sudo update-grub
[22:59] <shamil> uugghh:p
[22:59] <shamil> lol
[22:59] <gkffjcs_> How do I configure it manually?
[22:59] <ghostcube> sudo update-initramfs
[23:00] <shamil> just don't use compiz then i say:)
[23:00] <gkffjcs_> MrKennie:
[23:00] <uoaphys> IMO, whether its an ubuntu packaging bug, or a gnome bug, you ought to be able to report them to ubuntu directly
[23:00] <ghostcube> shamil: this si not compiz related
[23:00] <telecaster> i installed hardy with kde on  a laptop with only 128mb ram, 2,6ghz cpu and 1gb swap, its very slow, kde runs on a 350mhz cpu with round 400mb ram faster, and i could only install with acpi=off noapic and nolapic
[23:00] <shamil> i'm more for the utilitarian interface though:(
[23:00] <Ralesk> hi people
[23:00] <shamil> ghostcube he said compiz
[23:00] <Boinc> ghostcube, i think its started the x session but its black
[23:00] <Ralesk> Is it me, or KDE 3.5.10 has introduced some bugs to kicker applets?
[23:00] <Boinc> as i see the x appear on the screen before it goes black
[23:00] <uoaphys> is there a way to make KDE4.1 do a spinning cube?
[23:01] <ghostcube> shamil: oh sorry havent seen
[23:01] <ghostcube> :D
[23:01] <mefisto__> DarkriftX: did you get an answer to the desktop icons question?
[23:01] <shamil> uoaphys, yes with compiz
[23:01] <DarkriftX> nope
[23:01] <Boinc> it flashes up just before it does black
[23:01] <fernando> hello
[23:01] <MrKennie> gkffjcs_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 loosk like what you need to configure it manually
[23:01] <uoaphys> shamil: I thought kde4.1 had its own compositing desktop
[23:01] <shamil> it does, you can use either compiz, or use the built in kde compositing
[23:01] <mefisto__> DarkriftX: in systemsettings, appearance, icons, advanced, you can choose the icon sizes there
[23:01] <gkffjcs_> Thanks, Ille check it out.
[23:01] <shamil> idk if it does the spinning cube or not
[23:02] <shamil> ralesk, kde 3.5.10 as far as i know is not released yet, or at least not in ubuntu repos yet, except maybe the next version
[23:02] <DarkriftX> nice
[23:02] <ghostcube> its in backports
[23:02] <ghostcube> ^^
[23:02] <ghostcube> im on 3.5.10
[23:02] <shamil> cool
[23:02] <Ralesk> shamil: umm, the next version (intrepid) will have no 3.5 KDE in the first place
[23:02] <shamil> be careful with backports
[23:03] <uoaphys> you think ubuntu intrepid will have 4.2 or 4.1 kde?
[23:03] <ghostcube> i use proposed to
[23:03] <shamil> backports aren't really maintained by the ubuntu devs
[23:03] <ceco> hi guys i need help with fglrx i compiled a kernel, but now i cant install fglrx
[23:03] <shamil> i hope intrepid has 4.2
[23:03] <ceco> it says
[23:03] <shamil> 4.1 is an incomplete product
[23:03] <ceco> Error! Could not locate fglrx.ko for module fglrx in the DKMS tree.
[23:03] <MrKennie> 4.1, 4.2 isn't out till jan 2009
[23:03] <ceco> You must run a dkms build for kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-ultimate (i686) first.
[23:03] <ceco> Done.
[23:03] <uoaphys> whats wrong with 4.1
[23:03] <Ralesk> ghostcube: do you use the quicklauncher or an analogue clock?
[23:03] <uoaphys> i thought 4.1 was kinda like the real final release (since 4.0 was such a bug storm)
[23:04] <ghostcube> kiba-dock
[23:04] <shamil> kde devs didn't finish integrating all the features in it
[23:04] <Ralesk> uoaphys: there's no such thing as "final" :)
[23:04] <ceco> does someone know how to fix this cause i cant enable direct rendering... :/
[23:04] <shamil> uoaphys, kde 3.5.9 also has built in compositing features as well
[23:04] <uoaphys> 4.1 is SO much nicer than 4.0 though
[23:04] <shamil> 4.0 was a beta release
[23:04] <shamil> 4.1 is still part of that as well
[23:05] <uoaphys> when are the apps going to be ported to win/mac, is that scheduled for 4.2?
[23:05] <shamil> kde devs say not to use kde 4 until they green light a release which will be 4.2
[23:05] <shamil> uoaphys, now you know why many still aren't using kde4 yet
[23:06] <ghostcube> ceco: hmmm fglrx is a pain in the ass in normal install in user kernel oi
[23:06] <uoaphys> i really like it, but the panel just is incomplete IMO
[23:06] <Ralesk> ghostcube: could you try to add those two to your kicker?  for me the kclockapplet looks really washed out now, and didn't in 3.5.9 -- and the quicklauncher has the icons cropped
[23:06] <uoaphys> and the start menu is hard to work with
[23:06] <shamil> exactly my point uoaphys, in 4.2 it should be feature complete
[23:06] <ceco> yes but i haven't got any problems till now, i've just finished compiling the kernel... and it says something for dkms...
[23:06] <Ralesk> shamil: hopefully, but I'm cynical about it, no offence...
[23:06] <ceco> and i really don't know how to work with dkms
[23:06] <ceco> :/
[23:07] <shamil> cynical about what ralesk?
[23:07] <Ralesk> 4.2 being feature complete :P
[23:07] <shamil> oh
[23:07] <shamil> you could be right about that
[23:07] <ceco> i can't understand that - You must run a dkms build for kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-ultimate (i686) first.
[23:08] <shamil> not going to use kde until the kde people say it's good to use, or if kubuntu does a really good job at kde 4 in intrepid
[23:08] <shamil> lol i meant to say kde 4 through all of that:p
[23:09] <uoaphys> shamil: hahah, why would kubuntu do really good job at kde4 in intrepid
[23:09] <uoaphys> i can't think of a single kubuntu release that wasn't horrible
[23:09] <ghostcube> Ralesk: hmm the clock and the quciklaunch look ok here
[23:09] <ghostcube> uoaphys: ^^
[23:09] <uoaphys> its like. half the apps are compiled improperly and installed with wrong permissions, etc
[23:09] <shamil> kubuntu usually does a great job at making at doing kde
[23:09] <ghostcube> i have no probs here
[23:10] <Ralesk> ghostcube: could you upload a screenie somewhere? (or I'll PM you a URL where you can upload)
[23:10] <shamil> lol, uoaphys, in gutsy i had major problems with crap like that
[23:10] <ghostcube> u mean kde 3 or ?
[23:10] <uoaphys> kubuntu 7.10 didn't even work with wired ethernet, cos knetwork manager was disabling dhcp by default, took them 3 months to fix
[23:10] <ghostcube> i hate dhcp lol
[23:10] <shamil> i hated 7.1, my wired net would stop working after i had enabled nvidia-glx
[23:10] <Ralesk> uoaphys: I had no problems whatsoever, dunno :)
[23:10] <uoaphys> why, it should just work, if it doesn't, software is bugged out
[23:11] <Ralesk> NetworkManager is a pile of gaaaahhhhhhhh anyway
[23:11] <Kaapa> hello. Never installed kubuntu, does the install cd come with a partitioning tool?
[23:11] <shamil> ralesk
[23:11] <shamil> networkmanager is a pile of crap:)
[23:11] <shamil> there is an alternative though
[23:11] <Ralesk> Kaapa: sure it does
[23:11] <uoaphys> and 7.10's adapt pakage was totally broken too
[23:11] <uoaphys> adept
[23:11] <Ralesk> shamil: /etc/network/interfaces is a perfect alternative for me :p
[23:12] <Kaapa> Ralesk: I mean like *parted, not fdisk.
[23:12] <uoaphys> they might as well just leave adept out and put in synaptic who cares if its gtk
[23:12] <mefisto__> uoaphys: it's very hard to test everything with every conceivable hardware setup before release
[23:12] <shamil> here you go ralesk http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[23:12] <ghostcube> Ralesk: www.homeinc.de/stuff/screenie7.jpg
[23:12] <shamil> that's true ralesk that is a good alternative
[23:12] <Kaapa> wanna installet in a laptop that has a full windows vista partition and I', a bit scared :S
[23:12] <shamil> but for those requiring a gui, wicd is awesome
[23:12] <shamil> networkmanager has actually gotten good enough for me to use........for once, so i use it now
[23:13] <uoaphys> yea i know, just silly is all, that knetworkmanager and gnome networkmanager use totally different logic inside them, rather than just being ports of eachother to qt or gtk
[23:13] <shamil> just frontends they are
[23:13] <uoaphys> so the kde version just totally hosed the entire 7.10 release
[23:13] <shamil> yeah
[23:13] <shamil> 7.1 was so unusable i went to pclinuxos for a whle
[23:13] <uoaphys> yea, but u know, the gnome ubuntu 7.1 was perfect
[23:14] <uoaphys> almost no real bugs
[23:14] <ghostcube> uffz pure lie
[23:14] <ghostcube> :D
[23:14] <Ralesk> ghostcube: the quicklauncher looks okay... hmmm  but I meant analog clock actually :)  text renders fine, it just can't seem to get the clock graphics right
[23:14] <ghostcube> hmm
[23:14] <ghostcube> ok
[23:14] <shamil> even in the gnome one of 7.1 enabling nvidia-glx made my net no longer work
[23:14] <shamil> it was really gay
[23:14] <uoaphys> hey, i hate gnome, but at least a clean install of ubuntu 7.1 worked with networkmanager and synaptic by default, and the same couldn't be said for kubuntu 7.10 which didn't
[23:14] <shamil> anything gutsy based was hell for me
[23:14] <ghostcube> Ralesk: can confirm clock crappy
[23:14] <Ralesk> what's this 7.1 you're talking about? :)
[23:14] <uoaphys> now in 8.04, hplip is broken to hell on all inkjet hp usb printers
[23:15] <LjL> shamil: did it like same-sex video cards?
[23:15] <uoaphys> 7.10
[23:15] <shamil> 7.1, 7.10, same thing
[23:15] <Ralesk> hardly
[23:15] <uoaphys> well 7.1 would imply january lol
[23:15] <shamil> lol
[23:15] <Ralesk> :)
[23:15] <shamil> ok, 7.10 i mean to say
[23:15] <shamil> i hate rpms to death though, so i was happy when ubuntu made a better release this time
[23:15] <uoaphys> yea
[23:15] <shamil> mandriva does rpms good, that's about it:p
[23:16] <uoaphys> thats the real true reason i use ubuntu, is rpm hell
[23:16] <uoaphys> yea screw that man
[23:16] <shamil> true dat
[23:16] <uoaphys> suse, mandriva, fedora
[23:16] <uoaphys> why even bother
[23:16] <shamil> suse is the worst with rpms, fedora is standard use for rpm hell
[23:16] <uoaphys> IMO, the best way to get kubuntu is to install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop on top of it
[23:16] <shamil> mandriva was the only good one that did them good
[23:17] <Ralesk> I gave a spin to some other distros recently (like in october last year) -- yum was decent, but the fedora repo contained the most brainfucked naming scheme ever (some things were capitalised, some not, it was all gahhh)
[23:17] <ghostcube> hmmm anyone here onm kde 3.5.10 compiz can confirm window previews isnt working for taskbar
[23:17] <shamil> urpmi is better than yum
[23:17] <Ralesk> suse has one of the nicest installers ever, but I couldn't figure out how to use yast once inside the system
[23:17] <dr_Willis> 3.5.10? Hmm i thought 3.5.9 was the latest..
[23:17] <Ralesk> and heck, I've been using linux since '99, so it wasn't my first one!
[23:18] <shamil> lol, suse does have a great installer
[23:18] <Ralesk> (and my first distro *was* an ancient suse)
[23:18] <shamil> wow
[23:18] <B3ny0-> don't play it
[23:19] <shamil> i would be using pure debian right now, but stable is too old, debian unstable is unstable, and debian testing doesn't have everything in there, and getting proprietary stuff installed in pure debian is a bitch
[23:19] <Ralesk> so like, in yast you have a bunch of icons that are kinds named the same and should do some installing or upgrading but totally wouldn't work.  shame really :P   then people said "yeah, it's messed up, but they're releasing 10.3 (or what the next one was) just a few weeks from now, and it's fixed there, you have a bad timing"
[23:20] <Ralesk> s/kinds/kinda/
[23:20] <shamil> yast was really cool, except the mandriva control panel is a lot less frightening:)
[23:20] <Ralesk> heheh, I agree on the frightening part, yes XD
[23:20] <shamil> i wish that mandriva would port their invictus firewall though:(
[23:20] <Ralesk> so yeah, back to Debian stuff for now :)
[23:20] <shamil> yeah:p
[23:20] <Ralesk> Adept is nice, except when they break it.
[23:20] <ghostcube> dr_Willis: in backport is 5.10
[23:21] <shamil> i want the mandriva firewall though, closest thing to zonealarm i found for linux:)
[23:21] <dr_Willis> ghostcube,  its installing now. :)
[23:21] <ghostcube> if  u have installed kicker-taskbar-compiz uninstall it :D
[23:22] <ghostcube> or kicker keeps crashing
[23:22] <ghostcube> last suse i used was 6.0
[23:22] <ghostcube> :D
[23:22] <Ralesk> what the...
[23:22] <Ralesk> "You are not using a recent KDE version.  Since your bug is likely to be fixed already in more recent versions of KDE you can no longer submit bugs against your version of KDE."
[23:22] <Ralesk> this when I select 3.5.10 in bugs.kde.org
[23:22] <Ralesk> bummer
[23:23] <ghostcube> heh
[23:23] <dr_Willis> I thought all the new 3.5.X releases where to mainly be bug fix's in the first place.
[23:23] <mefisto__> I have 3.5.10 and didn't even know it
[23:23] <shamil> i used 10.3 opensuse, when i installed stuff like win32codecs in opensuse, i still couldn'tplay my wmv's:(
[23:23] <shamil> it did that a whole bunch of the time with me and other crap i installed in 10.3 suse, it was wierd:(
[23:23] <Ralesk> dr_Willis: well yeah...  trouble is, they broke quicklauncher (at least for me it looks broken) and kclockapplet
[23:24] <dr_Willis> Im not even suer what quicklauncher is.. :)  Ive been usng jwm+rox for my main desktop for months
[23:24] <Ralesk> ah :)
[23:24] <Ralesk> both are kicker applets
[23:25] <Ralesk> quicklauncher is... pretty much like Quick Launch in the Windows taskbar
[23:25] <dr_Willis> actually i am using quicklauncher. :)
[23:25] <dr_Willis> I just never noticed its name. :) i always  use it over the big icons
[23:25] <dr_Willis> heh.
[23:25] <shamil> kubuntu doesn't have the system tray applet to choose in the applet chooser for kicker:p
[23:25]  * dr_Willis wonders when the kde clock will get a simple 'show 12/24 hr time format' check box.. :)
[23:26] <Ralesk> change your locale :)
[23:26]  * dr_Willis repeates his original statement.. :)
[23:26] <dr_Willis> It may be i want 24 hr format in some  places.. but a 12 hr clock is fine. :)
[23:26] <Ralesk> yeah well, point
[23:27] <ghostcube> i want 24 all time
[23:27] <ghostcube> :|
[23:27] <ghostcube> heh
[23:27] <dr_Willis> plus it defaults to the 24 hr format.. which ive had to explain to way tooo many total computer beginners.. :)
[23:27] <dr_Willis> if its past noon.. add 12 .....
[23:27] <ghostcube> im german
[23:27] <ghostcube> :D
[23:27] <dr_Willis> or was it past midnight...
[23:27] <Ralesk> it baffles me that people can't understand 24 hours clock
[23:27] <shamil> 24 hour clocks rule
[23:28] <Ralesk> the 12 hours one is if anything, much more complicated
[23:28] <dr_Willis> we need a metric clock! with 10 hrs in a day
[23:28] <ghostcube> nah
[23:28] <Ralesk> heheh
[23:28] <ghostcube> u wont have this
[23:28] <ghostcube> we tested here in germany forget it
[23:28] <dr_Willis> Metric alphabet with 10 characters.
[23:28] <Ralesk> one deciletter
[23:29] <mefisto__> dr_Willis: I want a metric day with 100 hours. 10 hours is just not enough :)
[23:29] <Ralesk> decaletter even, whatever
[23:29] <dr_Willis> 100 sec per min.. and 100 min per hr...
[23:29] <dr_Willis> brb. gotta restart kde to get to .10
[23:29] <mefisto__> ancient egypt had 10 day weeks
[23:30] <gkffjcs_> i'm having trouble with nfs, I have an export on /home that looks like this "/home/ 192.168.*.*(rw,sync)
[23:30] <gkffjcs_> If i try an dmount it on a second machine I get
[23:30] <gkffjcs_> access denied by server while mounting
[23:30] <Ralesk> oh, hahahahahaha -- kde 3.5.9 is more recent than 3.5.10, according to bugzilla XD
[23:31] <Ralesk> faaaaail
[23:31] <ghostcube> bugzilla is counting error
[23:31] <ghostcube> 1 is smaller than 9
[23:31] <ghostcube> and 0 is new release eh ?
[23:31] <ghostcube> so its older :S
[23:32] <dr_Willis> Ok. kde 3.5.10 installed.. using compiz.. the issue was... err.. somthign to do with the previews on the taskbar?
[23:33] <ghostcube> dr_Willis: yes
[23:33] <dr_Willis> The previews for the Taskbar DOES work here..
[23:33] <ghostcube> hmmm
[23:33] <ghostcube> ok
[23:33] <dr_Willis> thats about the only compiz feature i like
[23:33] <ghostcube> :D
[23:33] <ghostcube> time for restart
[23:33] <dr_Willis> the quicklaunch thing is also working
[23:33] <ghostcube> hmm here it crashed and for all others too
[23:34] <ghostcube> if u use the original ione no probs
[23:34] <ghostcube> what compiz version are u runniong ?
[23:34] <vassili> #ubuntu-rus
[23:35] <vassili> ubuntu-ru
[23:35] <dr_Willis> !find emerald
[23:35] <vassili> #ubuntu-ru
[23:35] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. emerald reccomends emerald-themes.. which.. err.. dosent exist.
[23:35] <dr_Willis> :)
[23:35] <dr_Willis> Recommended packages:  emerald-themes
[23:35] <ghostcube> :D
[23:36] <Ralesk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86222 *chuckles*  oh Aaron :)
[23:37] <dr_Willis> i also think that 'fusion-icon' tool should be included/started by default with compiz :)   but  i guess if you stick with their defaults ya may not need it.
[23:39] <ghostcube> dr_Willis: compiz --version
[23:39] <ghostcube> is this 0.7.4 ?
[23:39] <dr_Willis> well i dont seem to be having any issues with compiz and kde 3.5.10  lets check the version. I just updated/upgraded
[23:39] <dr_Willis> compiz 0.7.4
[23:39] <ghostcube> hmm ok im on 0.7.56
[23:39] <dr_Willis> using nvidia 8800gtsxxx video card
[23:39] <ghostcube> *6
[23:40] <ghostcube> with some additional plugs
[23:40] <ghostcube> anything kiled m prevs
[23:40] <ghostcube> :d
[23:43] <gkffjcs_> So I configured nfs based on several tuts on the inter web but it sitll doesn't work, dose anyone have any experience with nfs
[23:43] <gkffjcs_> ?
[23:43] <dr_Willis> gkffjcs_,  ive just followed the !nfs factoid page took me all of 3 min to get going btween 2 box's
[23:44] <gkffjcs_> !nfs
[23:44] <dr_Willis> if you are using the hostname. and static ip's you may want to chefk that your /etc/hosts file has each machines hostname/ip correct.
[23:44] <dr_Willis> or else use ip#'s
[23:44] <dr_Willis> I basically set it where each machine was mounted to each other machine in a /media/NFS/machinename directory
[23:45] <dr_Willis> or was it /NFS/machinename :) I need to reset that up someday
[23:52] <GLaDOS> 1
[23:52] <gkffjcs_> dr_Willis: I followed that tutorial aswell, and I still get "accss denied by server while mounting <IP_ADDRESS>:/home"
[23:53] <gkffjcs_> I know the ip is correct, it is manually configured in interfaces, and I can ssh the ip with no problem
[23:53] <dr_Willis> check the nfs server logs..  its very likely a typo or other simple issue.
[23:53] <dr_Willis> or you dident isntall all the nfs packages on the machines
[23:53] <gkffjcs_> whre are the logs?
[23:54] <DarkriftX> how do i add myself to a group again?
[23:54] <dr_Willis> gkffjcs_,  /var/log is the normal place for all logs. You may need to configure the nfs server to enable more verbose logging
[23:57] <gkffjcs_> hmmm, there is no nfs in /var/log
[23:58] <dr_Willis> could be under some other name. check the nfs configs/docs perhaps. Im not using nfs at the moment. so cant check
[23:58] <dr_Willis> or logging is not enabled
[23:59] <dr_Willis> or its in that 'access' log file.. whatever it was called...
[23:59] <dr_Willis> auth.log perhaps