[00:00] <george_e> https://code.launchpad.net/~george-edison55/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/askubuntu-badges-updated/+merge/107893
[00:00] <george_e> That look right?
[00:01] <jcastro> yeah
[00:01] <jcastro> there's some html in there
[00:01] <jcastro> but nothing we can't fix
[00:01] <george_e> Also, is anything uploaded to paste.ubuntu.com permanent?
[00:02] <jcastro> I am not sure
[00:02] <george_e> Well either way, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013936/ is the code to generate the files (in case someone wants to bookmark it).
[00:02] <jcastro> maybe including the script somewhere in the accomplishments branch
[00:02] <george_e> Where?
[00:02] <jcastro> but jono can just add it if he needs it
[00:02] <jcastro> dunno
[00:02] <george_e> Ah, okay.
[00:02] <george_e> I'll let him decide.
[00:02] <jcastro> <3 this looks awesome dude
[00:02] <george_e> Sweet.
[00:02] <marcoceppi> luckily we don't get new badges but ever so often
[00:03]  * jcastro waits for a merge before he starts working on one
[00:03] <jrgifford> we get (on average) about two a cycle now.
[00:03] <jrgifford> (or something along those lines)
[00:05] <george_e> jcastro: I see what you mean about the HTML now.
[00:06]  * george_e is looking over the diff.
[00:09] <jono> thanks george_e!
[00:10] <george_e> Welocme.
[00:10] <jono> jcastro, george_e reviewing your branches now
[00:10] <jcastro> we have to touch each one anyway
[00:10] <jcastro> jono: throw mine away
[00:10] <jono> jcastro, ok
[00:10] <jcastro> I'll resubmit based on what george has done
[00:11] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'll help out in a minute when everythings merged
[00:11] <marcoceppi> Divide and conquer
[00:11] <jcastro> indeed
[00:11] <george_e> Okay everyone. I have to disappear for about an hour or so. Please email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you have any questions.
[00:12] <jcastro> you rock dude!
[00:12] <jcastro> you've saved us like, hours of menial labor
[00:12] <jcastro> so we can concentrate on a different set of menial labor. :)
[00:13] <marcoceppi> I'm about to chow down on some chinese food and watch BSG, ping me when everythings ready for tidying
[00:13] <jcastro> I just finished tacos
[00:13] <jono> thanks george_e
[00:15] <jono> jcastro, branch updated
[00:15] <jono> you can now rock on with the descriptions
[00:15] <marcoceppi> booya
[00:16] <marcoceppi> jcastro: how do you want to split this up?
[00:16] <jcastro> I was going to do the bottom 3
[00:16] <jcastro> yearling and up
[00:17] <marcoceppi> okay, I'll take the top down
[00:17] <marcoceppi> for the first few
[00:17] <jcastro> I wrote out the instructions
[00:17] <jcastro> after that go back to your charms, these are easy enough I can find others
[00:17] <marcoceppi> k
[00:18] <jcastro> hah, that gives me an idea
[00:18] <marcoceppi> Do we have different icons for bronze, silver, and gold?
[00:20] <jono> marcoceppi, making them now
[00:20] <jono> it looks sweet
[00:20] <marcoceppi> awesome! which is the updated branch? the one listed above is still pending the merge
[00:22] <jono> marcoceppi, I haven't dropped the images in yet
[00:22] <jono> let me take a screenshot
[00:22] <marcoceppi> I meant for the changes from george_e
[00:23] <jcastro> waiting on the merge
[00:23] <jcastro> don't do it before then
[00:23] <jono> http://imgur.com/WqZdB
[00:23] <jono> ahhh
[00:23] <jcastro> marcoceppi: here's my personal goal for this project
[00:23] <jcastro> http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i60/5/5/29/frabz-DOES-ENOUGH-TO-BE-IN-THE-BLOG-POST-BAILS-RIGHT-AFTER-4899ca.jpg
[00:23] <jono> marcoceppi, it was a big merge, probably take a while to merge in
[00:23] <jcastro> :)
[00:23] <marcoceppi> jcastro: haha
[00:24] <jcastro> aww man, URL ruins it
[00:25] <marcoceppi> jcastro: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21167693.jpg
[00:25] <jcastro> my normal meme generator is showing broken images
[00:25] <jcastro> also, ;_; that I have a "normal meme generator".
[00:27] <jono> oops
[00:27] <jono> I merged it all into the main branch
[00:27] <jono> lol
[00:29] <jcastro> well
[00:29] <jcastro> that's ok right?
[00:30] <jcastro> you'll just be a half step closer before you merge it back in?
[00:32] <cjohnston> mornin
[00:36] <marcoceppi> jono: so should we work off the trunk now or wait for the au branch to be updated?
[00:37] <jono> marcoceppi, I am reverting from trunk
[00:37] <jcastro> marcoceppi: I think he's more like "hang on fellas"
[00:37] <jcastro> I can flag a bunch of worthless stuff if you're looking for something to do? :)
[00:37] <jono> lets keep working on from my branch
[00:37] <jono> pushing george's work therenoq
[00:39] <jono> ok it is merged
[00:39] <jcastro> YEAH!
[00:39] <jcastro> marcoceppi: hey I know you know how to do this
[00:39] <jcastro> but smoketest this on your first one:
[00:39] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/a/3283/235
[00:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro: can do
[00:40] <jono> ok guys
[00:40] <jono> I pushed the trophy images
[00:41] <jono> these are a first cut based on the the colors from the site
[00:41] <jono> they are askubuntu-gold.png, askubuntu-silver.png, and askubuntu-bronze.png
[00:41] <jono> so they can be added to the .accomplishment files in the icon field
[00:42] <marcoceppi> nice! these rule
[00:43] <jono> marcoceppi, :-)
[00:43] <jono> this is going to be awesome :-)
[00:43] <jono> thanks for the help
[00:45] <jcastro> ok, there's Yerling again
[00:46] <jcastro> dude
[00:47] <jcastro> marcoceppi: I just realized
[00:47] <jono> hmm how can I search and replace across a bunch of files?
[00:47] <jcastro> we could use pitfalls to fix behavior
[00:47] <jcastro> for tumbleweed for example
[00:47] <marcoceppi> jono: grep and sed?
[00:47] <marcoceppi> jcastro: good call!
[00:47] <jcastro> ok I'm going up to tumbleweed now
[00:49] <jono> done it
[00:49] <jcastro> how many spaces for steps: and pitfalls:?
[00:49] <jcastro> is it a tab?
[00:49] <jcastro> for the multiple lines
[00:49] <jono> exactly, pitfalls and tips are for telling people how to behave
[00:50] <marcoceppi> jcastro: Should we create an accomplishment "Registered on Ask Ubuntu"
[00:50] <marcoceppi> that way each step doesn't have to say "Register on Ask Ubuntu"
[00:51] <jono> I have something to show you
[00:51] <marcoceppi> and then we can lock all the accomplishments until someone registers on the site
[00:51] <jono> marcoceppi, jcastro http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7103/7298678908_b2c6e6fe22_b.jpg
[00:52] <marcoceppi> epic.
[00:52] <jono> so one thing we added for 0.2 is sub-categories
[00:52] <jono> so we can divide these up into logical groups
[00:53] <marcoceppi> So would that be, like for instance, there are three badges associated with promotion of a question (one bronze, silver, and gold) would they be grouped?
[00:53] <jono> marcoceppi, so we should think of a set of categories you can break all the badges into
[00:53] <jono> e.g:
[00:53] <jono> Editing
[00:53] <jono> Promoting
[00:53] <jono> etc
[00:54] <marcoceppi> Ah, I see. That makes sense
[00:54] <jono> marcoceppi, subcats look like this: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5076/7245570936_67f5cf3e71_b.jpg
[00:54] <jono> they appear as a bar below the filters
[00:55] <jono> marcoceppi, it would be cool if you and jcastro could sit down and decide what those categories will be
[00:55] <marcoceppi> yeah, wonder where he is
[00:57] <jcastro> someone did this already
[00:57] <jcastro> let me look
[00:57] <jcastro> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/67397/list-of-all-badges-with-full-descriptions
[00:57] <jcastro> there you go dude ^^^
[00:58] <jcastro> see badge families!
[00:58] <jcastro> it's like the third answer
[00:58] <jcastro> we can combine them too
[00:58] <jcastro> so like "Flagging, editing, and cleanup" etc.
[00:59] <jono> cool, well you guys take care of making some awesome descriptions
[01:00] <jono> and categories, and I will make sure all the scripts are working
[01:00] <jcastro> ok so how to do categories
[01:00] <marcoceppi> jcastro jono should Category be AskUbuntu or Ask Ubuntu?
[01:00] <jcastro> we need to put this in the metaquestion
[01:00] <jcastro> before people start editing and not adding them
[01:03] <jono> marcoceppi, so the main category is Ask Ubuntu
[01:03] <jono> but then the subcategory will be something such as Editing or Flagging
[01:03] <jcastro> well, we already generated it as "AskUbuntu"
[01:03] <jono> jcastro, we can fix that
[01:03] <jcastro> ok
[01:03] <jcastro> so:
[01:03] <jcastro> subcategory: foo
[01:03] <jcastro> ^^ ?
[01:04] <marcoceppi> jcastro: in that case we should be updating them
[01:04] <jcastro> I know
[01:04] <jcastro> I just realized that
[01:04] <jono> I will fix that now, hang on
[01:04] <jcastro> don't!
[01:04] <jcastro> we checked it out
[01:04] <jcastro> we'll just clobber
[01:04] <jcastro> wait for us to merge proposal first!
[01:05] <jono> jcastro, that's now how bazaar works :-)
[01:05] <jcastro> ok
[01:06] <jono> ok all the categories are fixed
[01:06] <jono> they now have a space in them
[01:07] <marcoceppi> I hate this message: http://i.imgur.com/QMZOd.png
[01:07] <jcastro> ah crap
[01:07] <jcastro> I just pushed into the same branch as before
[01:08] <jcastro> oh wait, that's fine then
[01:08] <jcastro> when he merges it it'll just do all of them at once right?
[01:08] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah
[01:08] <marcoceppi> the merge proposal will update
[01:09] <marcoceppi> I'm not going to do a merge proposal for each one since I plan on doing about five
[01:09] <jcastro> nod
[01:09] <jcastro> good idea, I'm still getting the hang of it
[01:09] <jcastro> if you use sublime you can just open the entire dir in one editor
[01:09] <jcastro> because it's awesome
[01:10] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we should probably lock down a subcategory naming scheme
[01:10] <jcastro> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/68259/150182
[01:10] <jcastro> ^^^^ there it is
[01:10] <marcoceppi> just use the whole name?
[01:10] <jcastro> yeah
[01:11] <jcastro> keep the case too
[01:11] <marcoceppi> are you keeping "badges" in there as well?
[01:11] <jcastro> yep
[01:11] <marcoceppi> cool
[01:12] <marcoceppi> easy enough
[01:12] <jono> hey guys, back later
[01:12] <jono> dont add the subcats to the .accomplishment files yet
[01:12] <jcastro> ugh
[01:12] <marcoceppi> oops
[01:12] <jono> just decide which badges will be in which category
[01:12] <jcastro> make up your mind!
[01:12] <jono> wtf
[01:12] <jono> all I asked was you to decide on categories
[01:12] <jono> did you add them using the correct formatting?
[01:12] <jono> if you did, then fine, add them
[01:13] <jcastro> subcategory=Name
[01:13] <jcastro> ^^ ?
[01:13] <jono> no
[01:13] <jono> where did you read that?
[01:13] <jono> it is category=Cat:subcat
[01:13] <jono> e.g:
[01:13] <jcastro> that's what category is
[01:13] <jono> category=Ask Ubuntu:Editing
[01:13] <jcastro> ah ok
[01:13] <jcastro> no problem
[01:13] <jono> back later
[01:16] <jcastro> ok, got it this time!
[01:31] <marcoceppi> jcastro: oh dang, there's a tips section too
[01:32] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~jorge/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/yearling-badge/+merge/107896
[01:32] <jcastro> any idea what's going on here?
[01:32] <jcastro> +<<<<<<< TREE ?
[01:32] <marcoceppi> You've got conflicts
[01:33] <jcastro> "You are missing 3 revisions"
[01:34] <jcastro> ok so resolve my stuff and then resubmit?
[01:34] <mhall119> jcastro broke bzr
[01:37] <marcoceppi> mhall119: I expected no less
[01:37] <jcastro> heh
[01:37] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you should be able to bzr merge
[01:37] <jcastro> I did
[01:37] <marcoceppi> then when it flips out
[01:38] <jcastro> committed and pushed
[01:38] <jcastro> ok so basically, pull inbetween each time I work
[01:38]  * jcastro is making a mess in the changelog
[01:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'm having the same issue, it's because jono fixed all the Ask Ubuntu category things
[01:40] <mhall119> jcastro: use feature branches and only pull to your local trunk
[01:40] <mhall119> keeps things cleaner that way
[01:40] <mhall119> or use the new colocated branches
[01:41] <jcastro> link to docs on that?
[01:41] <marcoceppi> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:43] <jcastro> hah
[01:43] <jcastro> your diff looks way worse than mine
[01:47] <marcoceppi> jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/aGmg3.png
[01:47] <jcastro> hah
[01:48] <jcastro> mine is now resolved
[01:48] <marcoceppi> \o/
[01:49] <jcastro> ok we both appear sane now
[01:49] <jcastro> let's hope he doesn't read the logs
[01:50] <jcastro> "On second thought guys, stop touching my stuff"
[01:50] <marcoceppi> haha
[01:53] <marcoceppi> I keep filling up his inbox because I keep botching the merge proposal
[01:59]  * george_e is back now.
[02:05] <marcoceppi> starting to get pretty efficient at this
[02:06] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I still think we should create a "Joined Ask Ubuntu" accomplishment and make all these a requirement of that
[02:08] <jrgifford> marcoceppi: totally do it.
[02:10] <marcoceppi> Well it's going to be pretty tedious to go through and add depends: ubuntu-community/askubuntu-registered
[02:10] <marcoceppi> I'll wait until we have all the accomplishments
[02:10] <marcoceppi> jrgifford: you should totally get in on this fun and do a few accomplishments :)
[02:11] <jrgifford> marcoceppi: nah, i'm going to go finish cleaning up all those bad tags.
[02:11] <jrgifford> and then about the time i'm finished
[02:11] <jrgifford> there will be MOAR
[02:11] <jrgifford> and the vicious cycle shall continue
[02:11] <marcoceppi> yup
[02:12] <nhandler> marcoceppi: I've thought about making a 'Jono Bacon Accomplishment'. You earn this accomplishment when your name is Jono Bacon ;)
[02:12] <marcoceppi> ha
[02:35] <marcoceppi> I think I'm just about done for the evening
[02:59] <jcastro> me too
[03:35] <cjohnston> bkerensa: ping
[03:44] <jono> hey jcastro, marcoceppi
[03:44] <jcastro> our MPs are noisy
[03:45] <jcastro> but they should work. :)
[03:46] <jono> cool :-)
[03:46] <jono> reviewing now
[03:49] <jono> jcastro, this looks good, but the summary sections are a bit thin
[03:50] <jcastro> alot of these are really simple
[03:50] <jono> I know we have a lot to get through, but we are going to want to make sure they are nice and expansive with information, explaining the concepts etc
[03:50] <jono> jcastro, as an example
[03:50] <jono> in the Autobiographer one
[03:50] <jono> the summary is "Completed all user profile fields"
[03:51] <jono> it would be useful to explain what a profile is, why the user needs to care, how to access it, and which fields are available
[03:51] <jono> this is a good start though
[03:52] <jcastro> oh ok
[03:52] <jcastro> can we put URLs in the summary?
[03:52] <jono> sure
[03:52] <jono> use HTML links
[03:52] <jcastro> ok
[03:52] <jcastro> that will work then
[03:52] <jcastro> I'll tell Marco tomorrow
[03:52] <jono> think of each bit of info as a wikipedia page about it
[03:52] <jono> thanks!
[03:52] <jono> I will commit this work though
[03:52] <jono> this is off to a great start :-)
[03:52] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/3282/lets-integrate-ask-ubuntu-badges-with-the-operating-system
[03:52] <jcastro> can you add your guidance to the answer?
[03:52] <jcastro> that's the instructions people will be following
[03:53] <jcastro> <--- bed now nite
[03:53] <jono> will do
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <bkerensa> Its official I need to get rid of my new dell laptop and get a System76 :)
[08:34] <bkerensa> dholbach: http://i.imgur.com/8L7hf.jpg
[08:34] <bkerensa> :D
[08:35] <dholbach> bkerensa, what is it?
[08:36] <bkerensa> dholbach: a certain system76 laptop :P review should be on OMG sometime this week >.< when I wake up :P
[08:36] <dholbach> ah cool
[08:36] <bkerensa> did a full teardown :D
[08:38] <czajkowski> morning folks
[08:40] <cjohnston> afternoon
[08:40] <czajkowski> cjohnston: hows things?
[08:40] <cjohnston> goin well
[08:40] <cjohnston> you?
[08:40] <czajkowski> cjohnston: half way through, still coping?
[08:40] <czajkowski> good mad busy but loving it :)
[08:41] <cjohnston> ya.. other than the one issue we talked about, no issues that are related to me :-)
[08:41] <cjohnston> and Hope is happy
[08:41] <cjohnston> so life is good
[08:45] <czajkowski> ah how is my tea lady :)
[08:46] <cjohnston> having tea right now actually
[08:47] <cjohnston> there is a high tea thing i guess
[09:28] <dholbach> czajkowski, hey - how are you doing?
[09:29] <dholbach> czajkowski, is there a bug open about work items in blueprints and LP autocorrecting the input?
[09:30] <czajkowski> dholbach: hmm
[09:30] <czajkowski> dholbach: lemmie go and see
[09:30] <czajkowski> I know there is someone working on bp stuff
[09:30] <czajkowski> jamestunnicliffe is the person
[09:30] <dholbach> whenever I change things it automatically deletes or duplicates other work items
[09:32] <czajkowski> dholbach: gimmie 2 mins to go and look
[09:33] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1004416 I guess
[09:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004416 in launchpad "Work Items not allowing users to edit them properly" [High,Triaged]
[09:38] <czajkowski> dholbach: ah that one
[09:41] <dholbach> it makes work items hard to work with
[09:42] <dholbach> dpm, Alter!
[09:42] <czajkowski> dholbach: nods
[09:42] <dholbach> dpm, wie gehts?
[09:42] <dpm> dholbach, hey, gut!, und dir?
[09:42] <dholbach> auch gut :)
[09:43] <dholbach> dpm, hast Du shell Zugriff auf auf developer.u.c?
[09:44] <dpm> dholbach, ja, aber nur für die 'api' und 'packaging' Ordner. Ich nehme an, 'packaging' ist was du brauchst? ;-)
[09:44] <dholbach> dpm, kannst Du schauen ob libjs-jquery installiert ist?
[09:45] <czajkowski> not James sorry danilo
[09:46] <dpm> dholbach, nicht installiert:
[09:46] <dpm> $ aptitude show libjs-jquery
[09:46] <dpm> Package: libjs-jquery
[09:46] <dpm> New: yes
[09:46] <dpm> State: not installed
[09:46] <dpm> Version: 1.3.3-2ubuntu1
[09:47] <dholbach> dpm, super, danke
[09:47] <dpm> dholbach, du kannst vielleicht in #is fragen, wenn es nur um einen einzelnen Paket geht, sie können bestimmt es gleich installieren
[09:48] <dholbach> mrevell, hey - how are you doing? any chance we can reprioritise https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1004416? in my case it deletes/changes data when I try to change work item states
[09:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004416 in launchpad "Work Items not allowing users to edit them properly" [High,Triaged]
[09:48] <dholbach> dpm, ich glaub ich werd es manuell einstricken - ich brauch wahrscheinlich auch eine neuere version
[09:48] <dholbach> dpm, aber danke nochmal
[09:49] <mrevell> dholbach, lemme look
[09:49] <mrevell> dholbach, Leave it with me
[09:49] <dholbach> mrevell, thanks a bunch!
[09:50] <dholbach> mrevell, I'll work around it for now, just wanted to make sure it is on somebody's radar :)
[09:50] <mrevell> dholbach, Yeah, sorry about that. I'll speak to James and Danilo.
[09:51] <dholbach> mrevell, I'm sure it wasn't you sitting on the database server just to irk me :)
[09:51] <mrevell> well...
[09:51] <mrevell> :)
[09:52] <czajkowski> dholbach: we do like to torment you , you know ;p
[09:53] <dholbach> yeah, it'd be a random "accident" in the database
[10:31] <dholbach> dpm, könntest du das update-packaging-guide script nochmal updaten und ausführen?
[10:31] <dholbach> dpm, bitte bitte bitte
[10:31] <dpm> with sugar on top? :)
[10:31] <dholbach> (mit den Umgebungsvariablen)
[10:32] <dholbach> und Sahne obendrauf :)
[10:32] <dpm> super, dann ja :)
[10:32] <dpm> gib mir 2 Minuten
[10:38]  * dholbach queues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wi8Fv0AJA4
[10:45]  * czajkowski has http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXX1ws739Y  blaring
[10:47] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi0erY0WG6A&ob=av2e  nextin the queue ;) brilliant tune for training with
[11:02] <dholbach> dpm, still there? :)
[11:04] <dpm> dholbach, done. It turned out to be some very long 2 minutes, sorry
[11:04] <dpm> it must have been the music :)
[11:04] <dholbach> haha
[11:05] <dholbach> dpm, did you run it with the correct environment variables?
[11:05] <dholbach> maybe I need to wait until the cache is updated?
[11:06] <dpm> argh, I didn't pull the latest revision from bzr
[11:06]  * dpm retries
[11:06] <dpm> dholbach, try now
[11:06] <dholbach> we're happy now :-D
[11:06] <dpm> cool :)
[11:06] <dholbach> check out http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html for example
[11:06] <dholbach> the floating ToC on the right hand side
[11:07] <dpm> ah, look at that floating TOC
[11:07] <dpm> yeah
[11:07] <dpm> nice :)
[11:07] <dholbach> l3on rocks :)
[11:08] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[11:08] <dpm> cool
[11:38] <marcoceppi>  jono jcastro I updated the 7 accomplishments I did yesterday to be more detailed
[12:50] <jcastro> marcoceppi: we can use html!
[12:50] <jcastro> marcoceppi: that works out, we can link the FAQ, etc, even meta articles and all that.
[12:50] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I know! I updated my accomplishments to use FAQ
[12:50] <marcoceppi> this rules
[12:51] <marcoceppi> I'm tempted to do more, but I'll hold off and work on the WP charm instead
[12:51] <jcastro> we're less than 20 charms away from 100!
[12:51] <marcoceppi> epic
[13:27] <dpm> hey cjohnston, around? Do you know what needs to be done for a blueprint to appear on status.u.c? I've got mine approved, but not all of them appear on s.u.c.
[14:00] <balloons> dpm, it takes awhile for the sync to occur, it's not realtime
[14:01] <dpm> balloons, yeah yeah, I know. The issue is that the series goal was not set, I need to get jono to approve them.
[14:01] <dpm> oh actually, as a track lead you have approval superpowers, right?
[14:01] <dpm> so if I'm really nice to you...
[14:02] <balloons> lol..
[14:02] <dpm> :-)
[14:04] <dpm> balloons, jono has approved them already, they just need to have the series goal set (which I've just done) and approved (which I can't). If I give you the links, would you mind approving the series goal (it's only 3 of them)?
[14:05] <balloons> dpm, if you wish..
[14:06] <balloons> I am confident in my ability to click a button :-)
[14:06] <dpm> :-)
[14:06] <dpm> balloons,
[14:06] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-loco-portal-design-iteration
[14:06] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-appdevelopers-events
[14:06] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-appdevelopers-site-incremental-improvements
[14:07] <balloons> dpm, done
[14:07]  * dpm hugs balloons
[14:07] <dpm> thanks!
[14:34] <bobweaver> hello there I am about to give a store some live cds to give out to the customers I have put togeather a "pack"  for ubuntu advantage but have nothing for the community support and was wondering if any one knew where to get a up-to-date pdf's of "where too get help " community
[14:38] <bobweaver> I have this already http://ubuntustreetteam.tk/UA.pdf
[14:38] <bobweaver> for Ubuntu advantage but nothing for community
[14:42] <balloons> bobweaver, hmm.. you could just whip a pdf up if you wished listing things like askubuntu, the forums, IRC, mailing lists, etc
[14:43] <balloons> I believe there is a wiki page linked from ubuntu.com that details the same
[14:43] <bobweaver> yeah just wondering if there are anything already (bit lazy ) :)
[14:45] <bobweaver> like I just found this http://princessleia.com/presentations/FindingHelpInUbuntuScale9x.pdf and it is nice but needs "dots" & "branding "
[14:48] <cjohnston> dpm: so your good to go?
[14:49] <dpm> cjohnston, yes I am, thanks! Actually, a quick question, how often does status.ubuntu.com update?
[14:49] <cjohnston> right now three hours
[14:51] <dpm> cool, thanks cjohnston
[14:51] <cjohnston> g'nite
[14:53] <balloons> bobweaver, not to my knowledge, nothing ready to roll
[14:53] <balloons> but it's still earlish for me, so heh..
[14:53] <bobweaver> :)
[14:53] <technoviking> morning all
[14:58] <technoviking> jono: is the new AoC on O'Reilly yet?
[14:59] <jono> technoviking, yup
[14:59] <technoviking> found it :)
[15:00] <jono> mhall119, balloons, jcastro, dpm, dholbach all set?
[15:00] <dholbach> yep, in a sec :)
[15:00] <dpm> ready to roll
[15:00] <balloons> more than ready
[15:00] <balloons> I'm set
[15:01] <jono> ok firing this baby up
[15:02] <jono> mhall119, balloons, jcastro, dpm, dholbach invite sent
[16:01] <jono> marcoceppi, pushed your branch :-)
[16:01] <marcoceppi> \o/
[16:01] <jono> marcoceppi, so one of the things I was talking to jcastro about is the detail of the descriptions
[16:02] <jono> I think we are going to need to provide more documentation in each one
[16:02] <jono> you can think of each accomplishment as a small wikipedia page about how to get started
[16:02] <jono> for example, if it is about someone's profile, it would explain what a profile is, why the user should care, etc
[16:03] <marcoceppi> jono: I thought I did that, is there not enough detail?
[16:03] <jono> marcoceppi, can you give me an example of one?
[16:03] <jono> for me to look up
[16:06] <marcoceppi> jono: the first seven, benefactor, autobiographer, etc
[16:08] <jono> marcoceppi, so a good example is Analytical - it would be cool if the summary was fleshed out a little more explaining what a FAQ is, the kind of questions you can find in it, and why a user would care
[16:08] <jono> you see what I mean?
[16:08] <jono> marcoceppi, your work here is awesome btw
[16:08] <marcoceppi> cool, makes sense
[16:08] <jono> I just want to ensure these accomplishments are as complete as possible :-)
[16:08] <marcoceppi> I guess it's hard because I *know* all this so it's like "duh, FAQ"
[16:09] <jono> marcoceppi, lol, indeed
[16:09] <jono> yeah, my recommendation to accomplishments creators is to assume the user doesn't know anything about that award
[16:09] <jono> e.g. they don't know what a FAQ is
[16:09] <technoviking> jono and jcastro: the forums theme is done, and as close to the branding guidelines as vBulletin will allow
[16:09] <marcoceppi> gotchya
[16:09] <jono> so we have to do a certain amount of explaining
[16:09] <jono> thanks marcoceppi!
[16:09] <jono> technoviking, nice work!
[16:09] <marcoceppi> thank you jono!
[16:10] <jono> marcoceppi, I *really* appreciate your work here, I think it is going to really help a lot of people get interested in Ask Ubuntu
[16:10] <marcoceppi> Anything to help community awareness!
[16:10]  * jono hi-fives marcoceppi
[16:14] <jono> marcoceppi, quick q
[16:14] <jono> how did you say I should check if a userid exists again?
[16:14] <marcoceppi> jono: shoot
[16:16] <marcoceppi> You can query the user directly: http://api.stackexchange.com/2.0/users/41?site=askubuntu (41 being the user_id) if items is empty (http://api.stackexchange.com/2.0/users/999999?site=askubuntu) , the user doesn't exist. Also you might want to get an API key as it's limited to 300 queries an hour otherwise
[16:16] <marcoceppi> jono: http://stackapps.com/apps/oauth/register
[16:17] <jono> marcoceppi, cool
[16:17] <jono> and how do I exceed the API limit? there is a free key?
[16:18] <marcoceppi> jono: the key is free
[16:18] <marcoceppi> just tack &key=<API_KEY> to your queries
[16:20] <jono> thanks marcoceppi
[16:20] <marcoceppi> jono: each call has a few header items, mainly quota_remaining, quota_max, and has_more. the first two are pretty self explanatory, the third lets you know if there are more results, so you could tack on an &page=2 (and keep incrementing until has_more is false)
[16:21] <marcoceppi> The last caveat that happens in API 2.0 that wasn't there in 1.X is a "backoff" key. If backoff exists in the list, it'll let you know how many seconds to sleep before you can make another request. I've only come across it once, if you don't obey the backoff it'll drop requests for X minutes. It's the API's way of saying "chill for a few"
[16:22] <marcoceppi> But that was when I was building the email -> user service database, so I was querying the API a few times a second, around the four hundredth time backoff started appearing in the query
[16:23] <marcoceppi> I don't think the Accomplishments system will be doing any load like that though, at least not right now
[16:23] <jcastro> popey: marcoceppi: 3tb drives are here
[16:23] <jcastro> tonight, we dine ... on BUTTER.
[16:23] <popey> :D
[16:23] <marcoceppi> niceeee
[16:24] <popey> you missed the "MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA" on the end of that btw
[16:24] <jcastro> I don't want to gloat
[16:24] <jcastro> plenty can go wrong here
[16:24] <popey> in the last week i have (online) dropped two devices from my array, and re-added them back in, and rebalanced..
[16:24] <popey> all whilst rsnapshot is backing up stuff onto it
[16:24] <popey> btrfs is pretty amazing
[16:25] <marcoceppi> btrfs is pretty rock hard awesome
[16:25] <popey> if you get problems, ask my mate darksatanic in #btrfs, he knows his onions
[16:25] <jcastro> and his satan apparently
[16:25] <popey> he also looks like linus torvalds
[16:32] <jono> marcoceppi, hey
[16:33] <marcoceppi> o/
[16:33] <jono> I am registering
[16:33] <jono> do I need to "Enable Client Side OAuth Flow"
[16:33] <jono> I am not sure what thatmeans
[16:33] <jono> I just want to access the API
[16:33] <marcoceppi> That means "Does your app require OAuth access" which is a no for this
[16:33] <jono> cool
[16:33] <jono> seems I need an OAuth Domain
[16:33] <jono> which I am not sure what this is
[16:34] <marcoceppi> once you register you'll get a few keys, one will just be "key"
[16:34] <marcoceppi> IIRC those domain fields are optional
[16:34] <jono> it wont let me register without setting an OAuth Domain
[16:35] <marcoceppi> I would just put ubuntu.com for now
[16:35] <marcoceppi> it's not needed since you're not using OAuth, but you *can* enable it again in the future if you need to
[16:35] <marcoceppi> which is probably why they're asking for it now
[16:35] <jono> marcoceppi, ok, I have a key
[16:35] <jono> so how do I add this?
[16:36] <marcoceppi> each URL that calls api.stackexchange.com/2.0/ will need &key=<KEY> added to the end of the URL
[16:36] <jono> ok cool
[16:37] <marcoceppi> that should give you 10k an hour
[16:37] <jono> ok, I think we are all set
[16:37] <jono> I will add a few scripts now
[16:37] <jono> the script works well
[16:37] <marcoceppi> awesome
[16:38] <jono> marcoceppi, what did you say is the best place to find all the badge IDs?
[16:40] <jono> marcoceppi, this is the script: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1015040/
[16:47] <marcoceppi> jono: sticking with the 2.0 API this is the best endpoint: http://api.stackexchange.com/2.0/badges?pagesize=100&order=asc&sort=type&site=askubuntu&filter=!-rgl)2qV&key= that will give you a list of badges just make sure to check that badge_type is "named" and not "tag_based". All the badges will be under the "items" list
[16:48] <jono> marcoceppi, have the badge IDs changed from the 1.x API?
[16:48] <marcoceppi> jono: they should not have, let me do a quick check
[16:48] <jono> thanks
[16:48] <jono> I am adding them now from the 1.1 docs
[16:49] <marcoceppi> jono: no change. You can use 1.1 - it's just been depreciated so it will be going away sooner or later. No idea qhen
[16:50] <marcoceppi> http://stackapps.com/questions/3439/deprecating-api-v1-x
[16:50] <jono> thanks marcoceppi
[16:51] <bkerensa> marcoceppi: can you slap OMG's backend with a trout
[16:52] <marcoceppi> jono: also, you can remove the import simplejson from the top, I went with the json module instead
[16:53] <bkerensa> a hobgoblin scored an excellent hit on you
[16:54] <hobgoblin> he would
[16:54] <jono> thanks marcoceppi
[16:54] <jono> marcoceppi, I am being pretty blunt with this right now, but I want to roll much of this common code into a lib, but we need to add support to that to the system
[16:54] <jono> so I will fix that later
[16:55] <marcoceppi> cool
[17:10] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:17] <jono> marcoceppi, jcastro ok, all the scripts are now in
[17:18] <jono> the thing we are now missing are the tests
[17:22] <balloons> jono, you know you don't need tests :-)
[17:23] <jono> balloons, lol
[17:23] <jono> we do for this :-)
[17:23] <jono> balloons, we need to hop on the phone today to sync up
[17:24] <balloons> I'm transitioning now, so if you have time you have a fully fueled version of me right now
[17:24] <jono> balloons, transitioning?
[17:25] <czajkowski> what would happen if we locked balloons and jcastro in a room full up on energry drinks
[17:25] <czajkowski> BOING BOING explosion!
[17:25] <balloons> my mastery of the english language is sometimes so high it's impossible to understand (NOT!)
[17:26] <jono> lol
[17:26] <jono> balloons, don't have time now, will do in a few hours
[17:26] <balloons> jono, suffice to say I have time now if you wish
[17:26] <balloons> lol.. kk
[17:34] <jono> marcoceppi, jcastro, ok I am adding all the tests now
[17:34] <jono> what would be really handy is if you guys could figure out the dependencies
[17:34] <jono> which accom depend on what
[17:37] <marcoceppi> jono: I've been doing that in the ones I'm working on
[17:37] <jono> marcoceppi, ahhh gotcha, well I am nearly half way through all of these so dont worry about the tests
[17:37] <jono> marcoceppi, I didnt see any committed tests so I am ploughing through them
[17:38] <marcoceppi> oh, I'm working on the dependencies, not any tests :)
[17:38] <jono> oh sorry
[17:38] <jono> my bad
[17:38] <jono> cool
[17:38] <jono> yeah, thats cool :-)
[17:52] <jono> marcoceppi, another quick question
[17:52] <marcoceppi> yup
[17:52] <jono> with the key, is the traffic throttled if there are X number of requests a minute?
[17:52] <marcoceppi> 30 req/s
[17:52] <jono> oh 30 sec
[17:52] <jono> that should be fine :-)
[17:52] <marcoceppi> that's what the backoff thing was about
[17:53] <jono> backoff thing?
[17:53] <marcoceppi> Yeah, just like with quota_remaining and quota_max, there is a backoff key that pops up when the API sense either your key or IP hitting the API too many times per second. It's value is the number of seconds the API requests your application to sleep before it hits the API again
[17:54] <marcoceppi> but I don't think you'll have any issue with that anytime soon
[17:54] <jono> cool
[17:54] <jono> this is another reason why the dependencies are important, so we don't hammer the API
[17:54] <jono> well I have added all the tests now
[17:54] <marcoceppi> aye
[17:55] <jono> so we are basically in a situation where we just need all the .accomplishment files fixing up and then we can land this
[17:55] <marcoceppi> Can you have multiple dependencies?
[17:55] <jono> marcoceppi, yes
[17:55] <jono> comma separated
[17:55] <marcoceppi> one per line I assume
[17:55] <marcoceppi> or comma separated
[17:55] <jono> comma separated
[17:55] <marcoceppi> cool
[17:56] <jono> marcoceppi, I assume you are setting the correct icons as you go too?
[17:57] <marcoceppi> but of course :)
[17:57] <jono> :-)
[17:57] <jono> you rock marcoceppi
[17:58] <marcoceppi> can't wait to see them all lined up in the application
[17:59] <marcoceppi> So this is what I did for depends:
[17:59] <jono> indeed :-)
[17:59] <marcoceppi> Archaeologist is a silver badge, you can't get it until you unlock the bronze badge excavator. In the archaeologist accomplishment file I have the following
[18:00] <marcoceppi> depends=ubuntu-community/askubuntu-excavator
[18:00] <jono> thats right
[18:00] <jono> perfect
[18:00] <marcoceppi> awesome, easy enough
[18:01] <jono> :-)
[18:01] <jono> marcoceppi, just committed a contribution from someone to selflearner
[18:01] <jono> looks good
[18:02] <marcoceppi> jono: sweet, just pulled it down
[18:03] <jono> :-)
[18:14] <jono> marcoceppi, I just read some of your recent accoms - look awesome!
[18:24] <czajkowski> jono: can you please go and edit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments-web/+edit  for this guy please. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/198320
[18:27] <jono> czajkowski, I am subscribed, I saw it
[18:29] <jono> czajkowski, fixed, thanks
[18:32] <czajkowski> jono: thanks
[19:03] <jono> bkerensa, hey
[19:03] <jono> around for a chat at 3pm?
[19:03] <bkerensa> jono: 3pm sounds good
[19:04] <jono> thanks bkerensa
[19:24] <balloons> pleia2, et la.. how's the membership board changes coming? everything fall into place?
[19:25] <pleia2> balloons: we still need to update the docs and get the new board settled in, but all looks good :)
[19:26] <pleia2> hopefully they'll have dates decided for their first meetings in June within a week or so
[19:26] <balloons> pleia2, good to hear! Fresh faces is a good thing to have..
[19:27] <balloons> I want to make sure I don't miss there first meeting in June :-)
[19:52] <jcastro> popey: heh
[19:52] <jcastro> yacy review is back
[19:53]  * jcastro whistles about the service
[19:53] <jono> balloons, lets chat in the next hour, just wrapping some bits up here
[19:54] <balloons> k -- standing ready
[20:42] <bkerensa> jcastro: you about?
[20:42] <jcastro> yo
[20:42] <jcastro> busy but what's up
[20:43] <bkerensa> I will hit you up some other time then ;)
[20:43] <jcastro> not that busy
[20:43] <jcastro> shoot
[20:43] <bkerensa> PM
[20:50] <jono> balloons, alright
[20:50] <jono> lets do it
[20:51] <balloons> ready, set, future!
[20:51] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[21:19] <jcastro> jono: man dude
[21:19] <jcastro> look at the last 2 MPs
[21:19] <jcastro> the level of detail has gone up
[21:19] <jono> jcastro, indeed :-)
[21:19] <jcastro> marcoceppi: we're going to have to step it up. :)
[21:38] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I know, it's awesome
[21:44] <s-fox> Hello community.
[21:47] <bkerensa> s-fox: ello
[21:48] <s-fox> Hello bkerensa , how are you?
[21:48] <bkerensa> good s-fox ::)
[21:50] <jono> jcastro, marcoceppi today I managed to run all the accomplishment tests pretty much without fail
[21:50] <jono> just a few I need to fix
[21:50] <marcoceppi> excellent! Just need to get these accomplishment files written up
[21:50]  * marcoceppi goes to spur the community
[21:50] <s-fox> sounds good jono
[21:51] <jono> marcoceppi, thanks!
[21:51] <jono> the new critic one is awesome
[21:52] <marcoceppi> thanks! I've got a few more in the pipeline that I'll wrap up in a second
[21:53] <bkerensa> jono: ready to go when you are let me know and I'll invite you!
[21:53] <jono> marcoceppi, awesome
[21:53] <jono> bkerensa, send over the invite, will be there in a sec
[21:53] <greg-g> so uh, has anyone else complained about the yucky Canonical Blog event posts showing up on planet ubuntu. They are quite the ugly. Not full content in RSS feed, just event announcements. The feed content that does get into the RSS is ugly. etc.
[21:56] <AlanBell> greg-g: there isn't one on the planet at the moment I think
[21:57] <greg-g> I got this through my feed: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/news-and-events/events/2012/08/09/live-webinar/iaas-we-can-ubuntu-cloud-infrastructu
[21:58] <greg-g> or, huh, should I say mea culpa? I might be subscribed to the canonical blog
[21:58] <greg-g> haha
[21:58] <jono> lol
[21:59] <bkerensa> jono: you have a friend on G+ too ;P
[21:59] <pleia2> there is a specific ubuntuplanet feed that Canonical gives to planet (CC encouraged it, since they are an important part of the Ubuntu Community), but it didn't include that
[21:59] <greg-g> though, it is still the ugly drupal event rss feed (I dealt with this at my old job, there isn't much of a way to make Drupal output nice RSS of the events module): http://grossmeier.net/files/tmp/canonical_blog_feed.png
[21:59] <pleia2> http://blog.canonical.com/tag/planetubuntu/feed/ is the one that goes to planet
[22:00] <pleia2> I don't know what you're subscribed to :)
[22:06] <greg-g> http://www.canonical.com/rss.xml
[22:08] <pleia2> ah, that's the canonical news thing, blog feed is different
[22:08] <pleia2> http://blog.canonical.com/feed/
[22:08] <greg-g> ahh
[22:08] <pleia2> (and more interesting :))
[22:17] <jono> bkerensa, sent the flyer
[22:18] <bkerensa> jono: excellent I will get it out :)
[22:18] <jono> thanks bkerensa, I really appreciate it!
[22:18] <bkerensa> jono: does the attendee list auto update?
[22:18] <jono> bkerensa, not yet
[22:18] <bkerensa> kk
[22:18] <jono> I will do another update tonight
[22:20] <bkerensa> kk that flyer is going out to yahoos campus now ;)
[22:27] <jcastro> bkerensa: ah, ye olde torrent apt thing
[22:27] <jcastro> again
[22:27] <bkerensa> jcastro: it must happen
[22:27] <bkerensa> :)
[22:30] <jcastro> shrug
[22:30] <jcastro> AWS mirrors + squid-deb-proxy ftw.
[22:30]  * jcastro notes the AWS mirrors are kind of broken right now
[22:39] <jono> bkerensa, nice!
[22:39] <bkerensa> jcastro: do you have address for the AWS mirrors?
[22:39] <bkerensa> I wanna see if its any faster than OSL's mirrors here in Oregon
[22:40] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/a/125252/235
[22:40] <jcastro> They're 403ing for a lot of people
[22:43] <jcastro> bkerensa: lmk if they work for you
[22:43] <bkerensa> jcastro: are you just using Squid to proxy packages locally?
[22:43] <jcastro> squid-deb-proxy, yeah
[22:43] <bkerensa> jcastro: yeah the Oregon one works for me and its screaming fast
[22:43] <bkerensa> :D
[22:43] <jcastro> grrr, what!
[22:44] <bkerensa> jcastro: how do we ensure the AWS mirrors are in sync though? No way of seeing if they are behind hours or days?
[22:44] <jcastro> they sync every 30 minutes
[22:45] <bkerensa> nice
[22:47] <jcastro> actually
[22:47] <jcastro> if it wasn't for the google.com apt repo being so horrible my updates would be alot more fun
[22:55] <bkerensa> jcastro: ikr
[22:55] <bkerensa> jcastro: cant you bug Thomas Bushnell tell them to fix their repo :P
[22:56] <jcastro> it's not his team
[22:56] <jcastro> I already asked, heh
[22:56] <bkerensa> hmm
[22:57]  * bkerensa will ask his friend who works at Google and see if he can find out who
[22:57] <bkerensa> :D
[23:19] <cjohnston> morning
[23:19] <jono> hey cjohnston
[23:20] <cjohnston> hey jono
[23:22] <marcoceppi> Protip: Comment out Google Repo
[23:24] <bkerensa> marcoceppi: but then how u get updates?
[23:24] <bkerensa> :D


[00:19] <paultag> duanedesign: thanks man :)
[00:19] <paultag> czajkowski: <3
[00:20] <paultag> jcastro: it rocked nicely. I got everyone from r/ubuntu over. I hate that subreddit now
[00:21] <duanedesign> paultag: how do you get your latitude updates to show up as your status in google?
[00:22] <duanedesign> or did/do you do that manually
[00:22] <paultag> duanedesign: I had no idea it did that
[00:22] <paultag> duanedesign: radical
[00:22] <paultag> duanedesign: what's it say now?
[00:23] <paultag> Id' be impressed if it was PHL intn'l
[00:28] <paultag> bbl, much love
[00:28] <duanedesign> paultag: no its from 7hrs ago
[00:29] <duanedesign> paultag: when i clicked on the link it took me to the setting to enable that feature. :)
[00:40] <czajkowski> paultag: sup
[00:48] <czajkowski> paultag: ping
[04:16] <paultag> yo there czajkowski
[04:16] <paultag> duanedesign: :)
[04:20] <czajkowski> paultag: aloha
[04:21] <czajkowski> paultag: sent some re approvals
[04:21] <czajkowski> decided to make some use of the time
[04:38] <paultag> czajkowski: saw that! :)
[04:38] <paultag> czajkowski: thanks so much. I just got back home.  That makes me want to write them even more
[04:47] <paultag> czajkowski: well *hug*
[04:47] <paultag> czajkowski: you'll be back soon enough :(
[04:48] <czajkowski> toodles
[04:48] <czajkowski> signing off
[04:48] <czajkowski> battery gigoing
[04:48] <paultag> czajkowski: nn
[04:48] <paultag> czajkowski: ttyl
[15:01] <zdenek> any matti pekkala?
[17:49] <doctormo> pleia2: ping
[18:46] <pleia2> doctormo: pong


[04:06] <faizul> hi hyperair
[04:08] <hyperair> hi
[04:27] <excalibr> bye hyperair
[04:27] <excalibr> :3
[04:27] <hyperair> ._.
[07:30] <faizul> hi maria kInOzAwA
[07:31] <faizul> anybody home?
[07:34] <angch> faizul, nope
[07:35] <faizul> ok
[07:35] <faizul> thanks for info


[01:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - when was firefox-2 installed by default?
[02:26] <bobby_> Firefox 4.0 Beta - Will it include the updated Java engine, or will that be in later beta releases?
[02:37] <kylehuff> anybody know if the firefox extension subsystem has a mechanism for packing an NPAPI plugin with the extension? (preferably isolated/private ala chromium)
[03:13] <bobby_> Okay, anybody know when 4.0Build 1 is going to be in the daily PPA?
[03:30] <kylehuff> toolkit bundle is the answer the first part of my question.. don't know how I missed that on the developer center..
[04:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: firefox-2 as that package was never a default AFAIK, was firefox before hardy
[04:28] <micahg> [reed]: around?
[05:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I think we need a Breaks: firefox-2 in hardy, now that I think about it, I agree we shouldn't transition people automatically as some people have certain apps that only work with firefox-2
[06:28] <ddecator> aw, i can't connect to the sb servers..
[06:29] <micahg> wfm
[06:29] <ddecator> really?
[06:29]  * ddecator tries again
[06:29] <micahg> ddecator: which connection?
[06:30] <ddecator> micahg: svn, trying to get-orig-source
[06:30] <ddecator> ah, now it's working
[06:58]  * micahg thinks firefox and thunderbird have memory leaks :(
[06:59] <ddecator> the only time i have a problem with FF is when i have a lot of LP surfing to do
[07:00] <ddecator> it gradually gets slower, but only after using LP a lot..
[07:02] <micahg> ddecator: it was 2.2GB and when I reopened it, it was 890MB
[07:04] <ddecator> micahg: whoa..
[07:06] <vish> micahg: hehe , and i get angry when firefox reaches ~180MiB  ;p
[07:06] <micahg> vish: I have about 15 tabs and 20 extensiosn
[07:06] <micahg> *extensiosn
[07:06] <micahg> ugh
[07:06] <micahg> too late to type :P
[07:07] <vish> micahg: woah! 15tabs , is my regular usage. there is some problem there then
[07:07] <ddecator> only 1am for you :p
[07:07]  * vish wonders how much memory micahg's sys has
[07:08] <vish> i often end up leaving FF open for 1-2days and end up having 30-40 tabs , thats when it starts getting crazy and i restart
[07:09] <vish> 14 extensions here , but they may be the good ones ;p
[07:15] <vish> oh just noticed comment here >  http://www.conceivablytech.com/1572/products/mozilla-posts-firefox-4-0-beta-1/
[07:15] <vish> I've had up to 40 tabs open in Firefox with 200 MB of memory used
[07:16] <vish> ddecator: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/4.0b1-candidates/build1/
[07:16] <vish> \o/
[07:17] <ddecator> vish: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ddecator/firefox/update-firefox-to-4.0-20100629
[07:17] <ddecator> ;)
[07:17] <micahg> vish: 4GB :)
[07:18] <vish> ah ha , i have only 2GB :)
[07:18] <vish> ddecator: you've been hiding the goodies :/
[07:18] <vish> ;p
[07:19] <ddecator> vish: i'm using it right now, but it's the same as 3.7 so far, just the version changed (and it's supposedly a little more stable)
[07:22] <vish> ddecator: you should have that up and running in a ppa ;)
[07:22] <ddecator> vish: that's what the daily ppa is for :p
[07:24] <vish> ddecator: apparently you are quicker that the dailies  :D
[07:24] <vish> than*
[07:24] <ddecator> vish: my fix was for the dailies :p
[07:24] <ddecator> vish: i'm helping to keep them maintained, so micah asked me to get things ready for the version bump
[07:25] <vish> ddecator: ooh , goody
[07:26] <ddecator> huh, the pic on lifehacker shows that the beta is referred to as Minefield still on the Windows version...guess my little temporary workaround for the lack of a codename may be alright afterall :p
[07:37] <vish> ddecator: i'v always been confused about one thing. if i want to use the current [distro stock]stable FF and use the daily ppa for FF3.7 , how do i not have it update other stable stuff? like xul..
[07:38]  * micahg does that with apt-pinning
[07:38] <ddecator> vish: like keeping FF for lucid untouched, but just having FF 3.7?
[07:38] <vish> i'v pinned the mozilla-daily to 400
[07:39] <vish> me checks the match
[07:39] <vish> ddecator: yeah
[07:39] <ddecator> vish: not sure, i like all of my mozilla stuff to be daily, so i've never looked into that :)
[07:40] <vish> :)
[08:06] <vish> micahg: i'v set the apt-pinning , > http://paste.ubuntu.com/457219/ , but still i see the xul update from the ppa, what am i doing wrong?
[08:07] <vish> i get offered the xul 1.9.11~hg
[08:08] <vish> <IP_ADDRESS>~hg
[08:10] <micahg> vish: on lucid you shouldn't have xulrunner-1.9.1 installed
[08:11] <vish> micahg: oh , i think its a remnant from the pre-alpha lucid!
[08:13] <vish> micahg: so , i should be safe , if i can remove 1.9.1 and leave xul 1.9.2?
[08:13] <micahg> vish: yes, just watch your first upgrade to make sure you don't get anything else
[08:14] <vish> cool! ..
[08:21] <vish> micahg: neat , thanks.. but out of curiosity , why isnt xulrunner-1.9.1  not being removed when FF3.5 was installed in alpha-Lucid?
[08:22] <vish> which i guess installed xulrunner-1.9.2
[08:24] <micahg> vish: we never transitioned away from ti
[08:25] <micahg> *it
[08:26]  * vish now confused..
[08:27] <vish> anyway.. removed xulrunner-1.9.1  :D
[08:30] <micahg> vish: I'll explain later when I'm awake ;)
[08:31] <vish> micahg: yeah sure, knowing its late for you now, i didnt probe now :)
[08:45] <ddecator> wow, sb built first try..
[09:15] <BUGabundo_remote> morning! unleash the screw driver in you!!
[09:15] <jtv> asac: we're getting a question from someone who wants to translate an XPI-based project in Launchpad...  Perhaps you could add a quick note about how you convert XPIPO back to XPI?  The question is at https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/116038
[09:22] <Olap> quick question: is firefox-4.0b2pre being built yet?
[09:23] <vish> Olap: quick ans: no ;)
[09:24] <Olap> such a shame, looking forward to it
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> we are already in beta 2?
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> sooo 3.7 is just changing branding?
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> I need to make new profiles for 3.6 and 4.x
[09:26] <BUGabundo_remote> alt+NUM stop working in 3.6 and 3.7 profile is slowwwwww
[11:40] <gnomefreak> anyone know why firefox-3.7 has a bookmarks please in menu and one on the far right side to the right of the search box
[12:05] <Olap> in preperation for 4.0 where they'll remove the toolbar
[12:07] <gnomefreak> the next build should be reversioned 4.0
[12:07] <gnomefreak> atm it is still there
[12:08] <gnomefreak> seems all builds failed last night so we were not able to get it reversioned yet
[12:16] <gnomefreak> Olap: i cant get browser to respond atm but take a look at the related titles on the right the first and second one
[12:16] <gnomefreak> http://www.helium.com/items/1833740-what-to-expect-from-firefox-40
[12:18] <gnomefreak> Olap: seems it will be gone
[12:18]  * gnomefreak gonna miss home and stop
[12:19] <gnomefreak> they are not what they said they are :(
[12:27] <Olap> nothing is yet
[12:27] <Olap> seems to change layout daily
[12:27] <Olap> hopefully the 4.0 tree should settle out
[12:35] <gnomefreak> yay OOo 3.2
[12:47] <fta2> damn, my connection at home is not stable today
[13:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hi!
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> hi jdstrand
[13:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: did you happen to see bug #600158 ?
[13:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600158 in firefox (Ubuntu) "After upgrading to firefox 3.6 java plugin and flash plugin do not work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600158
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, not yet. i'm working on bug 600022
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600022 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu Hardy) (and 1 other project) "package firefox 3.0.19 nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/bug/firefox/presubj', which is also in package firefox-2 (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600022
[13:32] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sure. curious on the progress on that one to (that was my next question)
[13:33] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: btw, that first can't be that widespread cause, again, can't reproduce and these are things we specifically tested for
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i'm almost ready to upload a fix. the conffile handling is getting quite complicated though, so it's taking a little while to get right
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> i want to ensure we don't end up with conffile prompts during the upgrade really
[13:34] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: cool. would you mind if I cleaned out the appropriate hardy bits from the ppa (including webkit)?
[13:34] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: oh yes, that is tantamount
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think we can do that now
[13:34] <jdstrand> alright, I do it
[13:34] <jdstrand> I'll
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> for the person with the flash issue, we should maybe ask him to try a longer timeout
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i will create a wiki page with a list of test sequences we should test to make sure the conffile handling works correctly
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to upload the updated package now anyway
[13:52] <jdstrand> k
[13:54] <micahg> BUGabundo_remote: 3.7 will be changing versions :)
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> ik
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> the builders can't be very busy, my uploads are at the front of the queue already
[14:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: might have another bug :(, I'm going to try to get more information
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg - bug 600158 by any chance?
[14:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600158 in firefox (Ubuntu) "After upgrading to firefox 3.6 java plugin and flash plugin do not work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600158
[14:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes :)
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> he should probably try adjusting the timeout
[14:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: 45 seconds should be enough for most apps though
[14:02] <micahg> I'll ask
[14:03] <Milos_SD> Hi
[14:04] <Milos_SD> When will we see Firefox 4.0b2? :D
[14:04] <micahg> Milos_SD: maybe tonight
[14:04] <Milos_SD> great :D
[14:04] <micahg> Milos_SD: or at least 4.0b2pre :)
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand / micahg - some test sequences for update - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Firefox3.6.4Upgrade/Bug600022 :)
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> if you get bored ;)
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - seems the flash issue is not unique to hardy
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> die flash die
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> what flash issue?
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, is there much we can do when third party packages break our security updates?
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> i've seen 2 bugs now which are caused by ubuntuzilla
[15:18] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: no, not really. not unless upstream has a patch we can apply
[15:18] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: you might ask asac how he would handle that
[15:18] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: and I'll test the new package in a bit
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we should do a similar test on Jaunty for FF3.6.6 since there are 2 versions on the system
[15:59] <micahg> s/are/might be/
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we should (although firefox-2 was removed from those)
[15:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, but there's firefox-3.0 and firefox-3.5
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - we'll need to do a corresponding upload of apturl btw
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> (as i've moved the preferences back to /etc/firefox-3.0)
[16:12] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i'm going to work very late tonight
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> i only got 2 hours sleep last night ;)
[17:00] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: you should totally leave early! you did a great job :)
[17:00] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: after I verify ff and apturl on hardy, you ok with me publishing them?
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yes please, they should be good to go now :)
[17:02] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi, I am on vacation tomorrow through monday. please ask mdeslaur or kees to handle any emergency fixes before I am back
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, thanks. hopefully there won't be any more ;)
[17:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: but I'll get these out today
[17:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: no, I don't think so. and the one issue was really pretty minor imo
[17:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson, micahg: awesome job guys :)
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, thanks to you too :)
[17:03] <micahg> jdstrand: can we publish Seamonkey in Lucid without the rest or should they all go out at once?
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> and thanks to micahg for helping out too
[17:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: np, wish I could've helped more
[17:04] <micahg> jdstrand: yeah, thanks for all the help with this transition
[17:04] <jdstrand> micahg: sure. it's universe. you tell me what to publish and I'll push it (mind you, I don't typically do testing for universe stuff, so I rely on you guys)
[17:05] <jdstrand> oh sure
[17:05] <jdstrand> :)
[17:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what do you think, if I get the changelog for Lucid, should we push that out today?
[17:05] <micahg> oh wait, it probably won't build until EOD
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - re bug 512937 - as kees pointed out to me on a similar report last night, these bugs are actually breakage caused by people using ubuntuzilla. i'm going to close it for now unless you think there's anything we should be doing to work around it
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 512937 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] package firefox 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/firefox doesn't exist. (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 119)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512937
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind if we publish seamonkey in lucid first - the other releases haven't seen an update for a long time anyway, so it doesn't make much difference
[17:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah , it does seem to be because of Ubuntuzilla
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we could probably work around it in the postinst by checking if the symlink is diverted before creating the alternative
[17:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll see if I can push the Lucid branch up soon
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> and then logging a big warning to the console ;)
[17:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: indeed, but do we want to?
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. it probably wouldn't be difficult to check, but then having the installation fail gives users a way of knowing that they've done something which has broken their firefox install
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> so it might be ok as it is
[18:08] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: what is the trick with apturl? it used to work sproadically on hardy, but now I am having problems. apturl.js is getting pulled in, cause I see it in about:config. do I need another package installed or something?
[18:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: Seamonkey will have to be tomorrow, I have to get some other stuff done today
[18:20] <jdstrand> micahg: feel free to ping mdeslaur or kess on seamonkey
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - hmm, i'm not too sure about apturl
[18:31] <micahg> jdstrand: k, thanks
[18:32] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: does 'firefox apt:dpkg' work for you?
[18:32] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I get the 'I don't have a protocol handler for (apt)' type message...
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i just don't get any error message when i try that
[18:35] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: it is goofy I tell you. if I install the one in hardy release, it works, then if I upgrade to what is in the ppa now, it works. if I just install from the ppa, it didn't work
[18:35] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I'm publishing as is
[18:36] <jdstrand> if people want to file a bug, they can...
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why it behaves like that :/
[18:36] <jdstrand> no-- it has always been flaky on hardy. I thought you might know. thanks anyway
[19:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why did you change the version to 6b18-1.8-0ubuntu1~9.04.1?
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i thought that is what we agreed last week
[19:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it's actually ubuntu2 backported, not ubuntu1, that's why I did <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, but ubuntu2 is still in -proposed. we can always bump the version number later on if it is copied to -updates before we release
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> it's a bit awkward ;)
[19:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> really, we just need some builds though so we can start the TCK :)
[19:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> the bug traffic is still quite low after the upgrade
[19:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: indeed, I hope that's a good sign :)
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> but i've been reading threads on ubuntuforums from users complaining that 3.6.6 is really slow :/
[20:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I also seem to have a memory leak in 3.6.x
[20:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll have to dig deeper later this month...there's just so much to do :)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, there is. a few people have mentioned that performance is really bad on maverick too, but i've not tried that yet
[20:01]  * micahg is out for a bit
[21:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: would it be ok for jdstrand to publish thunderbird 3.0.5 to lucid if he has time?
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we should do that
[21:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: i'll finish up my thunderbird fixes for maverick for upload on Friday
[21:31] <jdstrand> micahg: I do not have time. I have not tested them at all and have other updates I am publishing today. if it can't wait til next week, ask mdeslaur or kees
[21:31] <micahg> jdstrand: no, there's just 1, Lucid
[21:31] <micahg> jdstrand: k, I'll ping someone tomorrow then
[21:31] <jdstrand> thanks
[21:54] <jdstrand> micahg, chrisccoulson: fyi, I let the security team know you may ask to publish thunderbird. However, we typically won't publish on Friday, so if they are unable to get to it tomorrow, I will get to it early next week
[21:54] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - thanks. yeah, i'm reluctant to do a friday release, especially after already having a panic once this week ;)
[21:54] <jdstrand> micahg, chrisccoulson: in other words, they will prioritize based on severity of CVEs and the work they are currently doing (like normal)
[21:55] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: heh. you did great man :)
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[22:03] <micahg> thanks jdstrand
[22:03]  * micahg never likes the idea of releasing production stuff on Friday
[23:13] <Dimmuxx> micahg: will you put 4.0b1 build 1 here https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-beta? Or will it be a more official beta ppa?
[23:14] <micahg> Dimmuxx: more official probably
[23:14] <micahg> Dimmuxx: probably not till the weekend though
[23:14] <Dimmuxx> okay cool :)


[05:24] <Kilos> morning all
[05:38] <Squirm> morning
[05:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[05:56] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[05:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> some of the folks near me are back online
[06:02] <Squirm> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo Squirm
[06:59] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm, Kilos
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo fly
[07:09] <Kilos> hi superfly
[07:31] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[07:32] <Kilos> morer ook
[07:32] <Kilos> more
[07:47] <bduk> More almal
[07:48] <Kilos> hi bduk
[07:48] <bduk> How are you Kilos
[07:49] <Kilos> alive lad and you?
[07:53] <bduk> Good Kilos  Just mad busy at work this year must get to an end now
[07:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:57] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[13:45] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrhrmhrmhmhmrhmrhmhmmmmmm
[14:03] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <Kilos> wbb later, swopping drives
[14:06] <Kilos> 12.04.5 active now in unity flavour
[15:33] <Kilos> reboot time
[16:19] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[16:20] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[16:20] <Kilos> EvilDMP, are you winning
[16:21] <EvilDMP> lo there Kilos - just talking in fact right at this second to a possible UK sponsor/attendee!
[16:21] <Kilos> cool
[16:34]  * nlsthzn is at home and contimplating installing ubuntus again >.< help!
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <Kilos> ubuntu installs so easy
[16:35] <Kilos> contemplating
[16:36] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[16:37] <Kilos> looks like big storm coming here
[16:38] <Kilos> nlsthzn, go kubuntu its less work to configure
[16:39] <Kilos> or maybe easier not less
[16:44] <nlsthzn> speeliing do nots count
[16:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:27] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:27] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[17:27] <smile> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/scrollkey/ ;) cool stuff
[17:32] <Kilos> haha i dont use the fox
[17:32] <smile> Kilos: then go and download the fox :D
[17:32] <Kilos> i use opera-browser
[17:33] <smile> alright ;)
[17:33] <Kilos> hehe
[17:33] <smile> that's closed source :p
[17:34] <Kilos> it works here and faster and smaller updates
[17:34] <Kilos> i just need efficiency not fancy stuff
[17:36] <smile> Kilos: why don't you use midori then? :p
[17:37] <Kilos> i have, maybe there was something i prefered in opera
[17:43] <smile> Midori is not as good as Chrome for page rendering, though they use the same engine :(
[17:44] <Kilos> i tried epiphany as well but forget what its like
[17:44] <smile> better ;)
[17:45] <smile> but not as lightweight, that's why they made a custom version for the RPI :p
[17:45] <Kilos> hi SilverCodeZA
[17:45] <smile> hi SilverCode
[17:54] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Meeting tomorrow night here @ 20.30
[17:54] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tomorrow night here @ 20.30
[17:55] <Kilos> inetpro, ping man
[17:55] <Kilos> you on holiday again?
[18:07] <Lionthinker> Hi, my name is Leon Marincowitz
[18:16] <Kilos> hmm
[19:01] <Kilos> superfly, we need you tomorrow night pretty please
[19:01] <Kilos> for one hour
[19:13] <Joe_knock> is tomorrow the meeting?
[19:14] <Kilos> yes but im battling to find a chair
[19:14] <Joe_knock> Kilos: You be the chair :)
[19:14] <Kilos> one is working overtime and another got caught up with life
[19:14] <Kilos> no man not me
[19:15] <Kilos> if i do it once ill never escape
[19:15] <Kilos> and its an important meet
[19:15] <Kilos> ill mess up
[19:15]  * Kilos waits for the fly to the rescue
[19:18] <Kilos> eish
[19:19] <Kilos> rain killing my signal
[19:20] <Joe_knock> Kilos: moenie bang wees nie :P it doesn't look like the chair position is a major thing
[19:20] <Kilos> then you do it
[19:20] <Kilos> its involved getting things right\
[19:24] <Kilos> Squirm, ping
[19:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:26]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:29] <Joe_knock> Kilos: If I knew how, I'd take on the leadership position, but i'm a newb here
[19:29] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:30] <Kilos> then just be here on time and keep notes of what commands are used and next time the job is yours
[19:30] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:30] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:39] <Kilos> aw where did the fly go?
[19:43] <Kilos> wb superfly
[19:52] <Kilos> ai!
[19:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:09] <smile> bye :)


[01:36] <jbicha> we should SRU new epiphany versions to 16.04 and 17.10
[01:38] <jbicha> vte2.91 is stuck at the GNOME 3.24 version LP: #1721412
[01:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1721412 in vte2.91 (Ubuntu) "Update gnome-terminal to 3.26.1" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721412
[11:53] <phill336> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ HAPPY NIGGER DAY!!


[02:04] <digi-> good evening
[02:04] <digi-> I'm working on a headless X stack that will perform automated GPU accelerated tests on firefox.. and I ran into a bit of a strange issue.
[02:05] <digi-> I'm missing a lot of colors on the first boot.. but if I shut down X and restart it all of the colors appear. A quick look in .xsession-errors seems to suggest that this happens if compiz starts before colord is running
[02:06] <digi-> Shouldn't compiz indicate a dependency on colord to dbus?
[02:06] <digi-> The X background also remains uneffected.. the only rationale I have for this is that the X server handles that internally, and doesn't depend on the gnome color daemon
[02:13] <digi-> What information should I include in an email to the mailing list?
[07:52] <smspillaz> argh ffs this sed script thing breaks parallel builds too :(
[13:00] <smspillaz> heh http://buffered.io/posts/the-magic-of-unity-builds/
[13:00] <smspillaz> abusing the preprocessor to vastly reduce build times


[16:07] <SergioMeneses> hey hey philballew ! how are you?
[16:09] <philballew> SergioMeneses, alright, just doing some spanish homework.
[16:09] <philballew> how are you?
[16:16] <SergioMeneses> philballew, working :)
[16:16] <philballew> what do you do SergioMeneses ?
[16:17] <SergioMeneses> philballew, we have to meet for working soon
[16:17] <SergioMeneses> philballew, Im working as sysadmin
[16:44] <philballew> SergioMeneses, that sounds fun. Yeah, wanna meet this weekend?
[16:44] <Mkaysi> Activity :O
[16:44] <SergioMeneses> philballew, ok I guess... I'll let you know
[16:44] <Mkaysi> Hi
[16:44] <SergioMeneses> Mkaysi, hey
[16:44] <philballew> I can do today after 8 SergioMeneses
[16:45] <philballew> thats 10 your time
[16:45] <SergioMeneses> philballew, 10 or 22?
[16:45] <SergioMeneses> am/pm?
[16:46] <philballew> not sure. but it would be 8 pm my time here
[16:47] <SergioMeneses> philballew, ok..
[16:48] <philballew> SergioMeneses, when works for you
[16:48] <philballew> Are you a morning person?
[17:04] <SergioMeneses> philballew, I have a schedule
[17:06] <philballew> SergioMeneses, We all do, but whens a good time for you?
[17:08] <SergioMeneses> philballew, I think weekends
[17:08] <philballew> sounds like a plan stan. Ill work on it this saturday maybe
[17:09] <SergioMeneses> philballew, ok
[17:09] <SergioMeneses> I have to go
[17:09] <SergioMeneses> I see you later
[17:10] <philballew> ight
[17:10] <philballew> peace


[00:00] <Takyoji> And the reasons I'm asking you folks are: what would be the method of trying to interest the retailer? What type of retail stores should be the primary target? What facts should be given out about Ubuntu/Linux, or why should they consider the plan?
[00:04] <Takyoji> I'm just throwing out this idea to see if it goes anywhere. Feel free to provide suggestions, or just simply say "Geez, your idea SUCKS!" :P
[01:02] <Hellow> Takyoji: Nice idea
[01:04] <Takyoji> If the idea can get developed well, then we could potentially add it to the wiki. From there on out it should really help promotion, if all LoCo groups participate in such an idea.
[01:05] <Takyoji> And it's putting Linux in a place where it's visible to the public.
[02:48] <Takyoji> Yea, I guess my idea sucks and needs work then. xP
[21:31] <Takyoji> I was excessively verbose and overly-complex yesterday; generally what I meant to say is: LoCo teams should try to network with local stores.


[15:52] <jrwren> welp. i ran out of time. luckily only had a 11GB homedir and so it was minutes to backup, reinstall, and restore, but dammit I wish I knew what was going on.
[15:52] <jrwren> linux encrypted disk... never again.
[15:57] <Scary_Guy> I love it, I just also love backups.
[16:53] <jrwren> ever had to recover booting to luks with efi?
[16:54] <jrwren> it would rebuild the initramfs, but never prompt for a password
[16:58] <Scary_Guy> EFI is a four letter initialism
[16:59] <jrwren> in theory: i love it.
[17:00] <jrwren> in practice... wtf.
[20:57] <jrwren> i just had to lookup "build-essentials"
[20:57] <jrwren> I think I'm done for the day. brian not working.
[20:57] <jrwren> or brain
[21:03] <Scary_Guy> If your name was Brian it would be both.


[00:14] <bkerensa> slangasek: Ok will I will try hard... I reached out to Linbit and if they cant do it then I might ask PuppetLabs if they can help out but they are already providing venue so idk
[00:14] <bkerensa> :P
[00:27] <slangasek> bkerensa: well, I haven't promised the attendees food yet :)
[01:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: Ok well dont promise them and if it some how makes it we can surprise them.... PuppetLabs does have beverages on site and has let us use them each time though
[01:07]  * slangasek nods
[01:07] <slangasek> I figure we'll leave out any mention of food until the day of
[01:07] <bkerensa> slangasek: I'm gonna print up some signs with Debian and Ubuntu logos
[01:07] <slangasek> and if we find a sponsor, great, and if not we can arrange something ad hoc
[01:09] <slangasek> fwiw and speaking only for myself, I'm unlikely to eat pizza whether free or not, but don't let that deter you from arranging something for the group :)
[01:09] <bkerensa> slangasek: LOL you dont like pizza? Notably last time we got Pizzacato which is pretty good for pizza :P
[01:09] <bkerensa> slangasek: Well if we get the funding I can have a veggie tray come too
[01:09] <slangasek> it's incompatible with my current dietary experimentation
[01:09] <bkerensa> ahh :D
[01:10] <bkerensa> gluten free?
[01:10] <bkerensa> :D
[01:10] <slangasek> reduced carb
[01:10] <bkerensa> ahh that makes sense.... more power to you... I wish I could cut out carbs :D
[03:06] <bkerensa> Great Success -> http://i.imgur.com/bFDQX.png
[06:52] <bkerensa> !Debian
[14:58] <Brian_H> morning everyone
[15:47] <kalosaurusrex> morning morning
[19:12] <bkerensa> So tired
[19:13] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yeah I was up till very early attempting at it but epic fail :P then I decided to sleep in today and my phone's prowl notification kept going off
[19:14] <slangasek> bkerensa: prowl notification? :)
[19:14] <slangasek> anyway, http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is the simplest quick-start guide I know for getting a package building
[19:15] <bkerensa> slangasek: Well when my irc client is disconnected from ZNC and my nick is mentioned in one of 25 channels or certain keywords my phone goes off :P
[19:15] <bkerensa> ahh :D ok
[19:16]  * bkerensa was kind of wondering why a bug for a application needing a package would be open for a app that is not even open source :D
[19:17] <slangasek> oh?
[19:28] <bkerensa> yeah desura
[19:29] <bkerensa> the source is not even available... :P they had talked about open sourcing it


[00:01] <cyphermox> jbicha: it will be in for tomorrow though, most likely, it's just that I'm nearing EOD and still got some testing to do
[00:04] <jbicha> cyphermox: sure, it's kind of late today
[00:05] <jbicha> Alpha2 was scheduled for tomorrow evening so I don't know if there will be much time for iso testing or if flavors will want to respin for that
[00:06] <jbicha> this is our fault for apparently not testing that path since mid-November!
[00:56] <jbicha> but then in the space of 15 min., you get 2 consecutive bug numbers for the same bug


[03:51] <teward> would a 128MB VPS be enough to run a DNS server for multiple domains?  Or should I go for something with slightly more RAM?
[03:52] <sarnold> teward: https://twitter.com/powerdns/status/563428596807917571
[03:53] <teward> sarnold: not sure what i'm looking at?
[03:53] <Patrickdk> depends on the dns server used
[03:53] <sarnold> teward: I don't -really- know how to compare a raspberry pi "1" against your 128M vps, but I suspect it's kinda close
[03:53] <Patrickdk> if you use bind files, and expecially bind, it's memory happy :)
[03:53] <sarnold> teward: but it appears that you ought to be able to get 1000~2000 qps on an old pi anyway :)
[03:54] <teward> Patrickdk: assuming bind9, how much memory usage would I be looking at?
[03:54] <teward> sarnold: that's asusming I had a Pi lying around :p
[03:54] <Patrickdk> how should I know
[03:54] <Patrickdk> whatever it needs to run, plus enough to load up ALL your zone files into ram
[03:54] <Patrickdk> and have working space
[03:54] <teward> only got 5 or 6 zone files
[03:54] <Patrickdk> and that means something?
[03:54] <Patrickdk> I might have 1 zone file with 3million dns entries
[03:55] <teward> if you want to be annoying about your question asking, fine, be that way
[03:55] <Patrickdk> enough space to fit all your zone files, has nothing to do with quanity of zone count
[03:56] <Patrickdk> and if your talking any dnssec, you should tripple ram usage
[03:56] <sarnold> Patrickdk: he took off..
[03:56] <Patrickdk> ah
[03:56] <Patrickdk> still not sure where I asked how many zones
[03:56] <sarnold> Patrickdk: is your unbound setup eating CPU due to dnssec?
[03:57] <Patrickdk> I can't imagine so
[03:57] <sarnold> how many qps do you get out of it?
[03:57] <Patrickdk> it's mostly all dnsrbl lookups
[03:57] <Patrickdk> those don't support dnssec
[03:57] <sarnold> ahh
[03:57] <Patrickdk> it's doing around 80 or so, all day long
[03:58] <Patrickdk> still, even eating cpu
[03:58] <Patrickdk> it's not nearly as much as say, clamav/spamassassin :)
[03:58] <Patrickdk> so it's *acceptable* I just found it odd
[03:58] <sarnold> haha :)
[03:58] <sarnold> *nomnomnom*
[03:59] <Patrickdk> dead on
[03:59] <Patrickdk> 82avg per sec, over day
[03:59] <Patrickdk> 85 over the week, avg
[03:59] <Patrickdk> per server
[10:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[17:33] <tgm4883> since snappy packages are supposedly similar to click packages, will snappy be able to install click packages (and vice versa, will snappy packages be able to be used on click platforms)?
[19:45] <rww> tgm4883: might want to try #snappy, if you didn't already
[22:32] <hikenboot> anyone know where I can find the easy-rsa samples they do not seem to install from the apt sources. these files seem like there no longer included trusty????This would be a real big help, I definitely need them!
[22:34] <hikenboot> /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples doesnt include the easy-rsa examples as it should
[22:36] <hikenboot> think i have found them