[05:45] <RyuKurisu[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!PUdVJkBtbqPLTtfqjl:linuxdelta.com/$7KqoX58DdiSB-kIlmqn1VCngm9jsaLjWsNpNmYfkTRk?via=matrix.org&via=t2bot.io&via=linuxdelta.com
[05:45] <RyuKurisu[m]> If only Lubuntu had a minimal install
[05:45] <RyuKurisu[m]> ^^^
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[07:18] <RyuKurisu[m]> Would it be possible to add a 'minimal install' option?  I would also be interested in such an option, and from what I've heard in a podcast (a long time ago from Wimpress ) it wouldn't be a lot of work to create.
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[07:43] <wxl> @RyuKurisu[m]: we have a task on the subject https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58 but we need to revist it
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[08:55] <RyuKurisu[m]> Is there any reasoning why we've switched from ubiquity to Calamares anyway? 🤔
[08:57] <lynorian> Qt
[08:57] <lynorian> and no particular Qt frontend of ubiquity'
[08:58] <guiverc> RyuKurisu[m], FYI:  Kubuntu hirsute ISO hasn't booted for much of this cycle  (Ubuntu Studio use calamares too)
 I'll ask the same question here I did over in the other Telegram channel. What exactly should the minimal install have on it?
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[19:31] <wxl> @kc2bez we used to have a lubuntu-core that would install the desktop environment and i guess what we could call all the essentials. i would imagine that system tools and preferences bits would all be included. in a sense it may be best to consider it equivalent to the lxqt metapackage plus sddm, openbox, lubuntu-specific stuff, and the like. see https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/lubuntu-core
[19:37] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: while qt was a primary motivation with calamares, i can say that our connection with kubuntu (both simon and i have developed for it and i use it at work) and by extension kde kind of opened us up to the possibility of calamares, since kde neon was playing with it. better yet, kde folks were acctually contributing to it and that is ultimately a larger community than the one contributing
[19:37] <wxl> to ubiquity. no one uses ubiquity but us. a bunch of distros use calamares. calamares is extremely well organized and documented and its code is incredibly easy to browse and understand. all of that is entirely NOT true of ubiquity (or really almost anything canonical has produced, i hate to say it). it's super easy to configure whereas with ubiquity most everything is a mystery. finally, developers
[19:37] <wxl> are extremely responsive. i've seen fixes to bugs come out IN RELEASES in less than 24 hours. with ubiquity, bugs might sit there and rot for years with no one really bothering. tl;dr ubiquity sucks.
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[20:07] <wxl> first russian post on discourse! woo-hoo!
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 Nice!
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[21:03] <kc2bez> The hours in the day flow past with such haste sometimes.
[21:03] <kc2bez> !standup
 /o
[21:04] <guiverc> o/
[21:04] <wxl> hi i'll take last :)
[21:04] <kc2bez> you can't do that every time :P
[21:04] <KGIII> Here.
[21:04] <wxl> why not? :)
[21:05] <kc2bez> I guess you can XD
[21:06] <kc2bez> @Leokolb greetings. What is new?
 Quiet week-no big news Tested calamares swap to file - all modes - only erase disk has option "no swap"
 selecting install alongside,replace or manual partitioning - creates 512 M swap
 encryption UEFI and BIOS also good
 done
[21:07] <kc2bez> Thanks.
[21:07] <wxl> great work leo! thx!
[21:08] <guiverc> thanks @Leokolb
[21:08] <kc2bez> guiverc: over to you
[21:08] <guiverc> some QA-testing (not a lot), some other testing; T181 & sambashare on discourse, some looking up wiki (minimal); T180, usual support, is what I recall
[21:08] <guiverc> I can concur what I saw with swap matches with @Leokolb's findings
[21:09] <guiverc> done
[21:09] <kc2bez> Thanks for that guiverc.
[21:09] <wxl> thx chris!
 tks Chris
[21:09] <kc2bez> KGIII: Hello there. What is new with you?
[21:09] <KGIII> Real life has been keeping me surprisingly busy. I'm still able to do daily tests and at least read through some support stuff. I expect to be significantly less busy by the start of next week. I seem to have taken on the role of doing quite a bit of the live testing. That's good with me. Thanks to everyone and done.
[21:10] <wxl> that role is very much appreciated, especially in light of real life
 nice
[21:10] <kc2bez> Thanks for the help KGIII
[21:10] <guiverc> Thank you KGIII
[21:10] <KGIII> YW
[21:11] <kc2bez> I don't have a paste prepared, sorry.
[21:11] <wxl> now you know why going last is always a good idea X'''D
[21:11] <kc2bez> I uploaded cala settings which fixed the GID/UID issue and swap
[21:12] <kc2bez> XD
[21:12] <kc2bez> I also uploaded default settings to fix the lockscreen version number
[21:13] <kc2bez> I did some task management in phab.
[21:13] <kc2bez> I need to amend the release notes for focal re: the timezone issue
[21:13] <wxl> right
[21:14] <wxl> thanks for doing that
[21:14] <kc2bez> I let y'all know when it posts
[21:14] <kc2bez> I don't think I have anything else
[21:14] <wxl> just leave a comment on bug 1909622 and that will suffice
[21:14] <guiverc> thank you for your work & almost always presence & readiness to help kc2bez
[21:15] <kc2bez> ok, will do
[21:15] <wxl> errrr
[21:15] <wxl> not that jeez here i go again
[21:15] <kc2bez> I can find it
[21:15] <wxl> oh now i can't find it
[21:15] <wxl> ok good
[21:15] <wxl> well thanks as always dan
[21:15] <kc2bez> I will comment on the bug
[21:15] <kc2bez> YW
[21:15] <kc2bez> Time for last has arrived :D
[21:16] <wxl> ok so
[21:16] <wxl> uncovered the mess about our sddm theme and made a task for it. assigned to @The_LoudSpeaker as he seemed interested
[21:16] <wxl> tl;dr needs a refactor so that people can actually work with it
[21:16] <wxl> if all of my improvements are implemented there should be two major values:
[21:17] <wxl>  1. average users can quickly change colors through a conf file
[21:17] <wxl>  2. it will be easy for more advanced designers to contribute artwork
[21:17] <wxl> also did a bunch of other support stuff
[21:17] <wxl> made a new friend shockingly after closing their posts for cross posting :)
[21:18] <kc2bez> :)
[21:18] <wxl> edited the sambashare post on discourse which will serve as a document to refer people to should they have an existing install
[21:18] <wxl> triaged bug 1909506
[21:18] <wxl> surprised we never saw that before
[21:19] <kc2bez> I don't think I've ever seen that much come back on an error.
[21:19] <wxl> triaged bug 1909622 which ultimately relates to upstream NotShowIn (xdg) issues
[21:19] <wxl> subsequently commented upstream on that particular issue. i think we're closer to a fix
[21:19] <kc2bez> Big thanks for that.
[21:19] <wxl> someone interested in doing some compiling might be able to test out a couple ideas bandied about
[21:20] <wxl> commented on bug 1902497
[21:20] <wxl> input needed but i believe we should consider removing hibernate from the menu. maybe since it does work in some cases, that's a bad idea. don't know. more input needed
[21:20] <wxl> did a lot of task management
[21:21] <kc2bez> I agree with the removal
 same here ..
[21:21] <KGIII> +1 with removing it
[21:21] <wxl> including the compton -> picom switch T96
[21:21] <wxl> ugh lugito i hate you
[21:21] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[21:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] migrate from compton to picom: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
 XD
[21:22] <wxl> got T140 going again which hopefully means some web/marketing improvements (if the contributor is still around)
[21:22] <wxl> came up with an idea to update Cala before running https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
[21:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] create mechanism to update Calamares and settings before running: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T184
[21:23] <wxl> also got minimal install thinking going again https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[21:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] consider minimal install: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[21:23] <wxl> and i think that's it
[21:23] <kc2bez> Thanks as always Walter.
[21:24] <wxl> it's nice to get some stuff happening again :)
[21:24] <kc2bez> I agree. It feels good
 tks Walter —
[21:24]  * wxl bows humbly
[21:24] <guiverc> You've done heaps wxl, thank you  (wider community too)
 Like T184 idea
[21:24] <wxl> right, didn't mention the cc stuff :)
[21:25] <kc2bez> Anyone else, anything else?
[21:26] <wxl> i'll just add one other thing since i was earlier talking about people that aren't here
[21:26] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m] had expressed some degree of interest in perhaps helping with design, kind of inspired by xscreensaver
[21:27] <wxl> what they might end up doing is something we haven't had in a long time: actually having artistic guidelines
[21:27] <wxl> their life is busy and so all of this is with no guarantee, so don't go throwing things on their desk :)
[21:27] <wxl> that's it
[21:28] <kc2bez> As far as that goes, everyone should feel free to contribute at the level they feel comfortable with.
[21:28] <wxl> right. that's something that i kind of emphasized, too: there's never any requirement or expectation
[21:29] <kc2bez> Any help is appreciated!
[21:29] <wxl> at least for some of us XD
[21:29] <wxl> s/some/most/
[21:29] <kc2bez> Thanks wxl
[21:29] <wxl> and we DO really really need help in art/design so anyone else that wants to join in PLEASE DO
[21:29] <kc2bez> ^
[21:30] <kc2bez> Thanks everyone for being here!
[21:30] <wxl> yes and thanks everyone for all the help
[21:31] <guiverc> wxl, you mentioned compiling (for test), what is involved?
[21:31] <wxl> (including lynorian who continues to make our manual awesome)
 Yes thanks -great team
[21:31] <guiverc> yep. concur, the manual is awesome, and a HUGE HELP in support !
[21:31] <wxl> guiverc: well, it's a little complicated but i can elaborate
 this week a lot of support in discourse and telegram!
 On fire!
[21:35] <kc2bez> Nice! thanks for the help with that @N0um3n0
[21:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_calamares FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_calamares/617/
[21:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_calamares FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_calamares/26/
 thanks to all!!!!
 Great team
[21:37] <wxl> yeah to that end i'll repeat again we had our first russian support post on discourse
[21:37] <wxl> that's exciting news and it wouldn't be possible without you N0um3n0!!!!
[21:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_libfm-qt/124/
[21:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_calamares just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_calamares/27/
[21:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_calamares just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_calamares/297/
 in German, Portuguese, Italian ... some people start to enter from the irc (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> that's exciting news and it wouldn't be possible without you N0um3n0!!!!)
 i assume the bridge is working :P
 for those rooms
 Yes
 good
 Thanks! (re @teward001: good)
[21:41] <wxl> ok guiverc the issue is that lxqt-panel would need to be recompiled. for a quick and easy, you could probably grab the closest release in the upstream github, make the necessary changes, compile it, and run it in place from the command line
[21:42] <wxl> you can see the potential fix here (although as you see from my comment later, he flipped the two lines) Thank for this, Walter.
[21:42] <wxl> Are you available 12 noon-ish today (Thursday) your time for a phone call? We could probably clear up some questions.
[21:42] <wxl> Garyargh
[21:43] <wxl> sorry about that wrong paste obviously ughhhh
[21:43] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1743#issuecomment-754938294
 *hands wxl a script that disables multiline copy/paste*
[21:43] <wxl> basically when we set the xdg environment we make a list of two things: LXQt and X-LXQT
[21:44] <wxl> they both SHOULD be valid, but the result of making that list is that it doesn't work
[21:44] <wxl> were you to do JUST LXQt it would work
[21:44] <wxl> similarly with X-LXQT but that's an extension rather than a registered environment, so that wouldn't be useful
[21:45] <wxl> so the question is where the problem lies
[21:46] <wxl> is the problem related to the fact that we're using a list?
[21:46] <wxl> i was suggesting exchanging X-LXQT and LXQt with GNOME AND KDE respectively as these are long-supported environments AND additional categories and both should work flawlessly
[21:47] <wxl> if using them together fails, then we know the problem is with the list, which is potentially an implementation issue
[21:47] <wxl> does that all make sense?
[21:47] <guiverc> okay, as (compile) was mentioned after a install bug, I assumed it related to that..   I'll have a look at this later in day.. you may get questions in a few hours
[21:47] <guiverc> currently a little.. does release tested on matter?
[21:49] <wxl> guiverc: well, it IS related
[21:49] <wxl> the problem with that particular bug was launching the installer by using the default calamares menu entry that has none of the lubuntu specific stuff
[21:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_calamares just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_calamares/618/
[21:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_libfm-qt just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_libfm-qt/565/
[21:50] <wxl> we use `NotShowIn` to hide it, but it doesn't work because of that bug, either in lxqt-panel, or perhaps in the xdg spec
[21:50] <guiverc> yep, I see connection now sorry.
[21:51] <wxl> no problem, it's confusing stuff
[21:51] <wxl> until i had actually spent the long time to read the xdg spec this stuff was confusing to me too!
[21:55] <wxl> also additionally confusing is the fact that they are alternately referred to as freedesktop or xdg specs XD
[21:56] <guiverc> wxl, another issue I was going to bring up after standup, was testcases...  I didn't understand format of those, but how much is involved in getting those reviewed (they will need amending to include 'SWAP', 'NO SWAP' now)
[21:57] <wxl> guiverc: sigh they're kind of a pain in the butt. they use their own xml-ish format
[21:59] <guiverc> I don't mind the checklist (https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ amended for swap quickly; in testcase format I'd link with specific case tests & not create new test for that combination)
[22:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_calamares just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_calamares/297/
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/322/
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_lxqt-build-tools FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_lxqt-build-tools/278/
[22:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver/475/
[22:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-archiver/126/
[22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] hirsute_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/hirsute_stable_lxqt-archiver/127/
[22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-archiver just became unstable after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-archiver/323/
[22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/groovy_stable_lxqt-archiver/475/
[22:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-build-tools FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-build-tools/501/
[22:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T118: Port LXQt to Qt 6] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T118#4062
[22:49] <wxl> did everyone notice there is the equivalent of a forum upstream for lxqt now? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/discussions
[22:50] <wxl> set up a pull request to fix that on the website https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt.github.io/pull/54
[23:29] <RyuKurisu[m]> wxl thanks for the explanation about Calamares 🙂👍
[23:31] <wxl> np :)
[23:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-globalkeys FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-globalkeys/733/
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[12:08] <cjwatson> Could I have reviews of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378473 and https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/lazr.restful/py3-no-cmp/+merge/378531 ?
[12:08] <cjwatson> Both short
[12:26] <cjwatson> ilasc: thanks
[12:26] <ilasc> +1
[12:26] <cjwatson> Landing pappacena's audit trail stuff, if I can get buildbot to not be stupid
[12:28] <ilasc> :)
[13:00] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Do you think I can make the index on OCIFile (build, layer_file_digest) unique?
[13:01] <tomwardill> I think so
[13:01] <cjwatson> Can't see why a given build would ever have more than one file with the same layer_file_digest
[13:01] <tomwardill> yeah, same
[13:01] <cjwatson> tomwardill: And in https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/374673, William asked if we might need to look up OCIFile by layer_file_digest globally (i.e. without a context build), for index purposes.  What do you think?  It'd be easy enough to add an OCIFile (layer_file_digest) index
[13:03] <tomwardill> I don't think it's required in the normal operation of things, but might be useful for garbo?
[13:10] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Do we not need it for sharing of layer files?  I've forgotten exactly how you were doing that
[13:11] <tomwardill> oh, good point!
[13:11] <tomwardill> yes, it's needed for that
[13:11] <cjwatson> The versions of your draft code that I could find didn't do sharing, I think
[13:12] <cjwatson> But yeah, presumably there are two uses: one is reassembling layers when doing a registry push, and the other is sharing
[13:15] <tomwardill> the end result is here: https://git.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/oci/model/ociregistryclient.py?h=docker-registry-upload#n120
[13:15] <tomwardill> but there's a part in the build artifact retrieval that checks if the file already exists in the librarian
[13:16] <cjwatson> I found https://git.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/archiveuploader/ociupload.py?h=docker-registry-upload but that seems to add unconditionally
[13:18] <tomwardill> indeed
[13:19] <tomwardill> fairly sure I did actually write that code...
[13:19]  * tomwardill is unsure where though
[13:19] <cjwatson> OK, no big deal, we knew that was draft
[13:45] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Could you have a look over the last four commits in https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/374673 and make sure you're OK with them before I land that?  The OCIRecipe.ociproject → OCIRecipe.oci_project renaming will require a bit of work on your end, I'm afraid, but the rest should be transparent
[13:45] <tomwardill> righto, will have a look
[13:53] <tomwardill> cjwatson: they look good to me
[14:02] <cjwatson> Thanks, will land after the standup
[14:46] <cjwatson> I'll sort out the test failures from Thiago's branches
[15:35] <cjwatson> Could I please have reviews of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378599 and https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378600 ?  The first is a testfix
[15:38] <cjwatson> Urgh, and db-devel is broken now too, faff faff faff
[15:53] <cjwatson> OK, I also need a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/378602 to fix db-devel
[16:04] <tomwardill> +1 on the latter
[16:05] <tomwardill> I'll have a look at the others in a mo
[16:05] <cjwatson> cheers
[16:05] <tomwardill> trying to extract myself from the mess I've made in the tests
[16:05] <cjwatson> Tell me about it ...
[16:06] <cjwatson> I should go for a walk though, doing too much at once
[17:48] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Have you had a chance to look at the other testfix at least?
[17:49] <cjwatson> Would like to unblock devel before I finish today
[17:49] <tomwardill> argh, sorry. Looking now
[17:50] <tomwardill> got lost in trying to constract tarfiles in python :)
[17:50] <tomwardill> +1 to both :)
[17:50] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Did you find lp.services.tarfile_helpers?
[17:51] <cjwatson> I realise that's in LP and not in launchpad-buildd, but it might give an idea
[17:51] <cjwatson> And thanks
[17:56] <tomwardill> aha, now I realise why I had a known file checked in
[17:56] <tomwardill> otherwise the digests change every time (due to file access times, etc)
[17:57] <tomwardill> can probably mock that out though
[17:57] <tomwardill> mock/fixture/appropriate
[18:00] <cjwatson> An alternative would be to commit documentation/scripting/whatever for building the test file.  I suspect mocking etc. will be less effort though
[18:00] <tomwardill> yeah
[18:01] <tomwardill> but it's beer, pizza and DnD night, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow :)
[18:03] <cjwatson> Heh.  Enjoy
[20:49] <jelmer> cjwatson: our plan for breezy is to create a 3.1 branch which will support python 2 and 3, and only support python 3 in trunk
[20:50] <jelmer> We'll merge any changes necessary for launchpad into the 3.1 branch
[20:50] <jelmer> (such as changes necessary for SVN support)
[22:00] <cjwatson> jelmer: OK, that sounds reasonable - thanks for letting me know
[22:00] <cjwatson> I started trying to see if I could work out what's up with subvertpy, but it's a slow debugging process and I'm not sure whether I'll be up to it
[22:04] <cjwatson> And this is in parallel with plugging away at ~everything else :-)
[22:23] <roadmr> subvertpy mangles mentally into "pervy" and downhill from there