[12:09] <noxs> another question....is there a tool for opening/editing .ai files (vector graphics of Adobe Illustrator) for linux?
[12:09] <dako> OK
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> Daskreech: Not sure what is new but the last modified date is 2006 (when the plf ones were sometime in 2005)
[12:10] <dako> Was able to open it, but now I get this message "You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one."
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> dako: You did that without closing adept ? (I asked you if you had any applications open that could be using the database)
[12:12] <dako> I did the sudo with adept closed
[12:12] <cpk2> !nfs
[12:12] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[12:12] <Smooph> dako open a konsole type "ps ax | grep apt" and kill those processes than try it again
[12:12] <cpk2> !nfs-utils
[12:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about nfs-utils - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:12] <cpk2> !info nfs-utils
[12:12] <ubotu> Package nfs-utils does not exist in dapper
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> dako: close adept - and do sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:13] <Smooph> this is a way too dako
[12:14] <dako> OK.it's doing something
[12:15] <dako> It's setting up alot of programs
[12:16] <GlaCeAuSky> salut tout le monde
[12:16] <GlaCeAuSky> besoin d'une chtite aide pr un noob ^
[12:16] <zappix> BAH. My desktop just froze ;-;
[12:16] <zappix> There we go
[12:16] <GlaCeAuSky> french here ?
[12:17] <dako> I am in it. In preview changes kaudiocreater is at status Broken(Upgrade). Should I delete this?
[12:19] <bgrimm> is there a clean way to uninstall openoffice instead of manually removing packages with the package manager?
[12:20] <zappix> Okay
[12:20] <zappix> Anyone know how to set up Firefox?
[12:21] <zappix> Konquerer doesn't work right with some parts of my site ;-;
[12:21] <zappix> Like these Javascript menus
[12:21] <BluesKaj> bgrimm,I had to remove some badly residual configged pkgs in order to install Openoffice
[12:21] <sebbar> why don't make your site konqueror compatible?
[12:22] <zappix> !firefox
[12:22] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[12:22] <zappix> ......no it ain't D:
[12:23] <BluesKaj> bgrimm,remove the offending pkges manually in the status option in synaptic
[12:23] <bgrimm> k, slow painful way. but so far is working...
[12:23] <BluesKaj> yup, slow but it worked for me :)
[12:23] <XVampireX> If I have a ubuntu cd, can I install kubuntu without installing gnome stuff?
[12:24] <dr_willis> XVampireX,  could do a server install i guess.. but gnome + kde is the way to go- to use both. :)
[12:24] <dr_willis> gnome and kde both have a lot of nice apps. that ya can mixx and match
[12:24] <XVampireX> Someone should release a Canonical CD (ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu) that just retrieves the packages directly from the internet, and not from CD
[12:25] <dr_willis> the servers are loaded enough as it is. :)
[12:25] <XVampireX> I'd like a customized version too, I.E: Choose packages to install
[12:25] <dr_willis> it really SUCKS when ya cant install due to server load.
[12:25] <XVampireX> dr_willis, Agree
[12:26] <dr_willis> But i tend to install ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[12:26] <dr_willis> then i got a script thatisntalls all the other stuff i  normally want
[12:26] <dek> how do i see if my internet connection is active, IP, and stuff?
[12:26] <XVampireX> dr_willis, only 40gb HD here, sorry.
[12:26] <dr_willis> thats plenty! :)
[12:26] <dr_willis> no room for porn however.
[12:27] <dr_willis> :()
[12:27] <XVampireX> dr_willis, Exactly, and I'm not talking about porn, I'm going to collect music and run it through amarok/some music daemon (mpd/xmms2)
[12:27] <XVampireX> and PSX games
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> dek: try pinging an ip (eg 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' - I know that should be up)
[12:27] <dr_willis> Heh
[12:27] <dr_willis> MAME rom set is up to 14gb now.
[12:28] <XVampireX> And I don't like having gnome apps in kde panel
[12:28] <dek> I mean not testing it xD but like seeing a window that tells me my ip and stuff
[12:28] <XVampireX> or other way around
[12:28] <dr_willis> *meh*
[12:28] <cpk2> dek: ifconfig
[12:28] <dr_willis> i can rarely notice if an app is kde or gnome based.. i use whatever tool does the job the best.
[12:29] <dek> thanks
[12:29] <dr_willis> if you are that tight for space may want to check out xubuntu, not sure how much smaller it is.
[12:29] <cpk2> if you want a really messy output you can use netstat
[12:29] <dek> it's enough just wanted to know that :P
[12:29] <dek> do you know any nice guide for linux beginners
[12:30] <dek> i mean to really get to understand linux
[12:30] <dek> not working mechanically :P
[12:30] <ep> what does "sudo dpkg --configure -a" do?
[12:31] <Daskreech> zappix: Yes it is :)
[12:31] <dr_willis> ep checks the packages to make sure they are all configured right I think
[12:31] <dr_willis> !apt-get
[12:31] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:31] <dek> !Adept
[12:31] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:32] <cpk2> !i686
[12:32] <ubotu> I know nothing about i686 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:36] <pihl> I've reinstalled KDM due to I screwed some things up, now when I am prompted with the login screen I am unable to type letters, only numbers, any ideas how to fix this?
[12:38] <noxs> how to stream asx files?
[12:38] <shides> ciao
[12:39] <shides> ma con questo irc si scambiiano file??
[12:41] <XVampireX> noxs, YOU want to stream ASX files? or do you want to watch ASX streams?
[12:42] <XVampireX> noxs: Best bet is on VLC, which does either.
[12:42] <noxs> sry...you are right!...i mean watching asx streams
[12:42] <noxs> ah i see...okay
[12:42] <noxs> thx
[12:42] <XVampireX> But
[12:42] <XVampireX> You need w32codecs
[12:42] <XVampireX> !w32codecs
[12:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:43] <XVampireX> noxs, go to these (Especially first one) and read through it, it will enable all formats, alternatively, use either Automatix or EasyUbuntu
[12:43] <noxs> thx a lot!
[12:43] <XVampireX> No problems
[12:44] <XVampireX> You can query the bot for either automatix or easyubuntu through !
[12:44] <XVampireX> just like I did with w32codecs
[12:44] <noxs> hmm..okay
[12:44] <noxs> very nice
[12:44] <XVampireX> But easyubuntu/automatix have a GUI so you will most likely want this if you're new to linux
[12:45] <dek> does a newsreader come with Kubuntu or I have to download one?
[12:45] <XVampireX> come with kubuntu
[12:45] <XVampireX> comes^
[12:46] <dek> which one?
[12:46] <dek> name?
[12:46] <forkz> !skype
[12:46] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:46] <XVampireX> akregator
[12:46] <XVampireX> what do you mean newsreader?
[12:46] <XVampireX> RSS or...?
[12:46] <dek> no, newsgroups
[12:46] <XVampireX> If anything else, you'd want Kontact
[12:46] <QMario> Why does KDE seem more buggy than GNOME?
[12:46] <dek> not RSS Feeds
[12:46] <XVampireX> which comes with kubuntu
[12:46] <dek> ok maybe mail client does it =)
[12:46] <XVampireX> Kontact = all in one
[12:46] <dek> ok thanks
[12:47] <XVampireX> no problems
[12:48] <noxs> great! it works!
[12:49] <XVampireX> :)
[12:52] <pip> ummmm,,,,,,,,,,
[12:52] <pip> hello
[12:54] <pihl> I've reinstalled KDM due to I screwed some things up, now when I am prompted with the login screen I am unable to type letters, only numbers, any ideas how to fix this?
[12:54] <pihl> I also get the error "cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu"
[12:56] <pip_moo> i have no clue, seems like it did that to me once, but i just reinstalled kubuntu
[12:56] <pip_moo> no one seems to talk here ;)
[12:56] <Agios> maybe it's your nick :)
[12:56] <tdn> Can I get some help to get the sound to work in KDE here? I installed kubuntu-desktop and now the sound does not work in KDE.
[12:56] <pihl> what's the easiest way to reinstall kubuntu then? format the partition and pop in the cd?
[12:57] <moo_master> better?
[12:57] <Agios> pihl: that will work but I recommend you use the alternate cd, not the live cd.
[12:57] <pihl> ok :)
[12:57] <Agios> tdn, make sure to check your mixer settings.
[12:58] <tdn> Agios, how do I check those?
[12:58] <tdn> Agios, I'm not sure what you mean by mixer settings.
[12:58] <Agios> tdn, start kmix and play with the adjustments
[12:58] <moo_master> it will be kmix in the mulimedia section of your kmenu
[12:59] <Agios> tdn: if that's ok go into kcontrol and change the sound driver to different drivers. ALSA and OSS are the best bets.
[12:59] <tdn> Agios, oh. I already did that. Everything seems OK there. Except that the sound icon in the panel says that sound is disabled and sound does not work...
[01:00] <Agios> try some other drivers then.
[01:00] <tdn> Agios, in kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> sound system, Enable the sound system is enabled.
[01:00] <pip> is there a way to make konqueror smoother? Like a higher refresh or something? Firefox is way smooth but konqueror is all jerky for me. just wondering
[01:00] <Agios> tdn: look under hardware for the drivers
[01:01] <tdn> Agios, it is set to Autodetect.
[01:01] <Agios> pip, I haven't noticed that
[01:01] <pip> like i move a window over koqueror and it leaves big trails
[01:01] <tdn> Should I set it to ALSA?
[01:01] <Agios> tdn, force it to alsa
[01:01] <tdn> Ok.
[01:01] <Agios> since it's not working, yes :)
[01:01] <tdn> Agios, and then it should work if I play a sound file?
[01:02] <soulrider> does anyone have any idea of hwo i can update my kernel? im not using the latest one,a nd when i do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade it says there are no upgrades available
[01:02] <pip> huh, well just wondering
[01:02] <tdn> Agios, it still does not work.
[01:02] <Agios> pip, interesting. I don't see that behaviour here
[01:02] <Agios> tdn, try oss then
[01:03] <tdn> Agios, hmm... well I used ALSA in Gnome and it worked fine...
[01:03] <tdn> Agios, OSS does not work either.
[01:04] <Agios> tdn, I don't know then
[01:04] <tdn> Agios, ok :(
[01:04] <Agios> check the kubuntu forums
[01:04] <tdn> Then I have to change back to Gnome :(
[01:04] <pip> sudo apt-get linux-image then your processor type will update your kernel
[01:04] <pip> actually it should do it automatically in adept
[01:05] <pip> click fetch updates
[01:05] <pip> then apply
[01:05] <Agios> soulrider: which kernel would you like to install?
[01:06] <soulrider> lastest
[01:06] <tdn> Agios, I'll check the forums. Thanks for the try.
[01:06] <soulrider> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:06] <soulrider> and i have
[01:06] <soulrider> 2.6.15-26-386
[01:07] <pip> probobly have to build it yourself
[01:07] <soulrider> the thing is
[01:07] <soulrider> adept downloaded it
[01:07] <soulrider> but tis like ti didnt install it
[01:08] <gekko`> soulrider: what does uname -r say?
[01:09] <soulrider> 2.6.15-26-386
[01:09] <pip> i dont see 2.6.17 in adept
[01:09] <Agios> if it's downloaded you can install it with dpkg
[01:09] <gekko`> soulrider: you could donwnload the kernel?
[01:10] <soulrider> i think so, im almost 100% positive it was downlaoded earlier
[01:10] <soulrider> besides, i do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it says theres nothing to upgrade
[01:10] <Philip5> SpAwN: are you there?
[01:10] <gekko`> soulrider: check 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep linux-image
[01:10] <Agios> where do you see that <IP_ADDRESS> is the latest stable kernel?
[01:11] <pip> why do you want the latest kernel so bad anyway?
[01:11] <soulrider> finger<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:11] <Agios> if you are getting that from kernel.org I doubt there is a package for it yet
[01:11] <soulrider> gekko`: how do i heck that?
[01:11] <shides> ciao
[01:11] <shides> a tutit
[01:11] <shides> tutti
[01:11] <gekko`> soulrider: type that in a terminal
[01:12] <shides> chi  disposto ad aiutarmi
[01:12] <soulrider> with sudo right?
[01:12] <gekko`> no need for sudo
[01:12] <soulrider> ok
[01:12] <shides> ad installare aMule nel kubuntu?
[01:12] <soulrider> linux-image-2.6.15-26-386_2.6.15-26.46_i386.deb
[01:12] <gekko`> it just lists the content of that dir
[01:12] <Agios> although I may go get it and try it. i2o was broken in <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:12] <BluesKaj> !it
[01:12] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:13] <shides> ok grazie
[01:13] <gekko`> soulrider: that's the latest kernel for ubuntu. if you want a newer one you need to compile a kernel on your own
[01:13] <BluesKaj> ciao
[01:13] <soulrider> ok, i dont think ill be doing that
[01:13] <soulrider> ill just wait until a friendly geek releases the package :P
[01:14] <soulrider> thanks for the help! =D
[01:14] <Agios> it's not that hard :)
[01:14] <gekko`> it's not hard as long as you know what you do
[01:15] <BluesKaj> hmmm I guess I'm a bit behind the kernel curve ... <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:15] <pip> so are random lockups pretty common with the fglrx driver for ati cards? I used to have a problem with that bad, but now i'm using hte stock ati drivers with ubuntu, and i havnt had a freeze yet.
[01:15] <nagyv> any ideas how to synchronize kontact with my Sony-Ericsson D750i? It is said to support syncML, but when I try to synchornize, Kontact crashes.
[01:16] <wolfmanz> pip i'm using the flgrx driver and havent any lockups
[01:16] <Agios> pip, interesting you should say that. I know someone else who is getting lockups with the that driver on Mandriva.
[01:16] <nagyv> pip: how did you set up fglrx for ATI? I have tried to understand the forums, but coldn't. Could you please point me to your sources?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> pip, I haven't had anyprobs wxcept in W17 , but then I'm new to Enlightenment ...kde works fine with the fglrx
[01:17] <BluesKaj> E17
[01:17] <wolfmanz> nagyv use easy ubuntu to install the driver it saves you alot of work
[01:17] <pip> automatix has it now to
[01:17] <nagyv> wolfmanz: what do you mean, adept?
[01:17] <BluesKaj> are you running dapper , pip ?
[01:17] <Philip5> Hawkwind: are you there?
[01:18] <wolfmanz> nagyv no its a serperate porogram
[01:18] <wolfmanz> !easyubuntu
[01:18] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: I would use the latest fglrx from ati and opt to build dapper packages (it has alot of fixes)
[01:18] <BluesKaj> it shoiuld be in your video card config  list in systems hardware
[01:18] <pip> yeah i am,l i get almost full hardware acceleration with the stock driver
[01:18] <wolfmanz> there is the link
[01:18] <Hawkwind> Philip5: I am now
[01:19] <pip> fglrx used to not lock up my system
[01:19] <pip> but all of the sudden
[01:19] <pip> it could be a ram issue though, i think one of my chips went bad
[01:19] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: thx, but I prefer (beta) prebuilds, like wolfmanz's suggestion
[01:19] <pip> latest from ati eh? i'll give it a shot
[01:19] <wolfmanz> pip if yopu got ram issues that can make all kinds of strange stuff happen
[01:20] <pip> yeah when i run memtest it gets to about 75% and then i get all kinds of errors and my systems locks up
[01:20] <Philip5> Hawkwind: i have updated the enlightenment package to detect confict with enlightenment-data so they can't be installad and give that errormessage
[01:20] <cpk2> my wireless keeps disconnecting me even though i have an excellent signal
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: Ati doesn't release beta's for linux afaik
[01:20] <wolfmanz> pip get new ram thats something you gotta fix
[01:21] <wolfmanz> pip it also might not be ram it could also be a bad cpu and or motherboard that will make memtest fail so test your ram out
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: easyubuntu's versions of the drivers are older
[01:21] <pip> yeah my motherboard is a peice
[01:21] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: beta = use at my own risk :)
[01:22] <pip> its a gigabyte, i will never make that mistake again
[01:22] <pip> i got an amd 3200 64 bit in it though
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: But ati doesn't release beta's - and easyubuntu just uses the version from the repo
[01:22] <nagyv> wolfmanz, h3sp4wn: I have already tried to install the ATI drivers, could this lead to problems?
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: Did you not opt to build packages ?
[01:23] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: I am affraid of missing security updates
[01:23] <wolfmanz> nagyv after you install rthe driver use fglrxinfo to make sure the ati drivers are working
[01:24] <pip> its pretty easy to install them
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: So why do you want beta drivers ?
[01:24] <pip> well not the betas
[01:24] <wolfmanz> nagyv no it didnt lead to problems for me i tried manually to install them from a forum post i was reading but like you i gave up and used easy ubuntu
[01:24] <pip> i dont even know where to get those
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> I don't think there are any
[01:24] <pip> i dont think so either
[01:25] <pip> did ati get bought out by someone? or was i just dreaming that?
[01:25] <wolfmanz> nagyv after i used easy ubuntu i still had to go into the xorg.conf and edit a line in there
[01:25] <wolfmanz> pip ati is owned by AMD now
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> --buildpkg ubuntu/dapper (ati supports dapper - and has fixed the crashing on shutdown issue)
[01:25] <nagyv> wolfmanz: fglrixinfo output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19642
[01:26] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: I think I know about that craching. But is this a command?
[01:26] <wolfmanz> nagyv ya your using the mesa driver and that means the ATI isnt installed or woring
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: its the end part of the command you have to give to the ati installer
[01:27] <wolfmanz> nagyv ya your using the mesa driver and that means the ATI isnt installed or not working
[01:27] <pip> hopefully amd will provide better linux support
[01:28] <pip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[01:28] <pip> thats pretty much all you need to get it installed
[01:29] <noxs> good n8
[01:29] <noxs> have a nice day or night...:o)
[01:29] <noxs> bye bye
[01:29] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: pip: thx, I will try to do it.
[01:29] <Lunar_Raven> !nvidia
[01:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <pip> the wiki for ubuntu is great
[01:31] <pip> one of the main reasons i use it
[01:31] <nagyv> pip, what does this mean? "You need hardware-accelerated 3D support, or display refresh rates higher than 60 Hz."
[01:31] <pip> no other distro has worked so good for me
[01:31] <pip> nagyv: what is saying that?
[01:32] <soulrider> whats a good emule clinet i can use?
[01:32] <nagyv> the wiki page you just suggested
[01:33] <pip> oh thats just saying that you only need the drivers if you require 3d acceleration and a higher refresh rate
[01:33] <nagyv> at lspci I get back that my driver is RV350, at http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R6.7.0/doc/radeon.4.html it is written that the radeon driver supports only 2D. What is the radeon driver? it this the opensource ati?
[01:34] <pip> but if you are using dapper you probobly have 3d acceleration already, at least i do on my readion x850
[01:34] <pip> radeon
[01:34] <pip> how do you reply to a person? i've never used irc before
[01:34] <soulrider> you mean private emssage ?
[01:35] <nagyv> pip: I use konversaion. here I start typeing your nick, then press a tab
[01:35] <soulrider> rightt clickt he name adn then query
[01:35] <nagyv> pip: how could I check 3D?
[01:35] <pip> nagyv: ohhh.... right onthanks
[01:35] <pip> wait...
[01:36] <pip> well apparently i cant pm you, cuz i'm not registeres
[01:36] <pip> registered
[01:37] <pip> do your opengl screensavers work smoothly?
[01:37] <pip> does planet penguin racer work good?
[01:38] <nagyv> pip: opengl screensavers are not smooth at all
[01:39] <pip> definetly dont have it then
[01:39] <pip> what card do you have?
[01:40] <nagyv> pip: ati mobility radeon 9600
[01:40] <pip> nagyv: is this a fresh install of ubuntu?
[01:40] <pip> like not an upgrade from breezy?
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> ati mobility radeon should work with acceleration with the free drivers
[01:40] <nagyv> pip: a frehc install, but dapper was still in beta
[01:41] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: as I have said, I already tried to get fglrx, so it can happen that I messed things up
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: dpkg-divert --list | grep fglrx
[01:42] <pip> nagyv: i'd do an install from the official version if i were you
[01:42] <pip> but you can do this...
[01:43] <clojster_> guys, how can I make iso from dvd or cd in KDE?
[01:43] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19643
[01:43] <pip> nagyv: actually just do the first part of that wiki page it shoudl work fine for you
[01:44] <nagyv> clojster_: I think you can do it with k3b, as saving your project in an iso file (not iso, but k3b's own extension)
[01:44] <pip> well..... i gotta go now
[01:44] <pip> i might be back
[01:44] <nagyv> pip: thx, I plan to do the same :)
[01:44] <nagyv> pip: bye
[01:45] <clojster_> nagyv: well, I need iso... there isnt any tool to do that? in gnome its just matter of one right click...
[01:47] <zappix> Anyone know of a good FTP client for Linux?
[01:48] <cpk2> like wget?
[01:48] <Agios> c/l ftp works pretty good
[01:48] <Hawkwind> zappix: gFTP or prozilla
[01:48] <Daskreech> Bear
[01:48] <zappix> THANKS
[01:49] <zappix> erm
[01:49] <zappix> Caps
[01:49] <zappix> ^^0
[01:49] <Hawkwind> Or even kbear
[01:49] <Hawkwind> Or kftpgrabber
[01:49] <Daskreech> Orrrrrrr ftp from the cli :)
[01:51] <dek> does LaTeX come in Kubuntu? or I have to download it apart?
[01:52] <zappix> Um
[01:53] <nagyv> dek: you can find it in adept
[01:53] <zappix> *** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is
[01:53] <zappix> *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable
[01:53] <zappix> *** to the full path to pkg-config.
[01:53] <zappix> =x
[01:53] <dek> ok
[01:53] <zappix> ALSO
[01:53] <zappix> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[01:53] <nagyv> clojster_: I don't really know
[01:53] <zappix> !glib
[01:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about glib - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:53] <zappix> D:
[01:53] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: I reboot now! :)
[01:54] <zappix> !pkg-config
[01:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about pkg-config - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:54] <zappix> >:/
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: did you purge the fglrx stuff first ?
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> zappix: ncftp is my favourite but there is a newer more full featured cli client I can't remember the name of
[02:02] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: no, apt-get purge xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: Are you trying to use fglrx or the free drivers ?
[02:03] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: hmm, I think the free drivers
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: sudo aptitude purge fglrx~i
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: then dpkg-divert --list | grep fglrx (should list nothing) I don't know you thought rebooting would help fix that
[02:06] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: wow, the aptitude command would like to purge 47 packages! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19647
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: I usually trust aptitude to make the right decisions (but I use it all the time) if you don't want to do that you can do apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:09] <Daskreech> Night all
[02:10] <ndazza> morning all!
[02:12] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: cool! dpkg-divert --list | grep fglrx gave me back nothing. So, what to do next?
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: either reboot or use control alt backspace to kill x - then run glxinfo | grep direct
[02:14] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: isn't it goog if I log off, and then restart just the X server?
[02:14] <pussfeller> enemy territory is running very very choppy, i have an nvidia
[02:14] <pussfeller> q3 works fine
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: run grep fglrx /etc/modules (there should be no output)
[02:15] <pussfeller> and the shapes get all blurry
[02:15] <LouKall> hey i was wondering if i could get some help installing Shockwave
[02:15] <pussfeller> shockwave player?
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart should also be fine
[02:15] <pussfeller> that has no linux port
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> I don't think it can be done (but may be wrong)
[02:16] <sorush20> hi guys I seem to be unable to run ark for some unknown reason..
[02:16] <sorush20> as soon as I try to run it , i see the kde crash dialogue
[02:16] <LouKall> not able to happen?
[02:16] <LouKall> dammit.
[02:17] <LouKall> some of my favorite video sites use either WMP or Shockwave
[02:17] <pussfeller> macromedia liscencened flash and cant port it, iirc
[02:17] <pussfeller> err i mean shockwave
[02:18] <LouKall> thats gay.
[02:18] <LouKall> any alternative?
[02:18] <LouKall> probably not.
[02:18] <pussfeller> web mulitmedia support is better than its ever been, but we are still the second class citizens of the net :(
[02:18] <Agios> there are flash plugins, etc. but not shockwave
[02:19] <pussfeller> supposedly adobe is working on a port of the latest flash, but then others say they are just lying
[02:19] <Hawkwind> !shockwave
[02:19] <ubotu> shockwave is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[02:19] <sorush20> I more open source coding is developed then there wouldn't be problems like this .. php is a great example.. and svg.
[02:20] <sorush20> if
[02:20] <Hawkwind> sorush20: So get busy coding
[02:20] <LouKall> word.
[02:20] <Agios> somehow I don't think macromedia is going to jump on the open source band wagon any time soon.
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> php is horrible (mod_perl (or probably mod_python) is much nicer)
[02:20] <chosebine> agios:no more macromedia, adobe now
[02:21] <pussfeller> they dont pretend to like open source, but they did release a flash version
[02:21] <Agios> adobe even less so
[02:21] <chosebine> eh
[02:21] <pussfeller> and at least care enough to make a press release about another
[02:22] <LouKall> so i would have to watch the movies through, wine, and a windows version of Firefox?
[02:22] <LouKall> geh.
[02:22] <Agios> I don't doubt they will release a linux version. But not open source it.
[02:22] <Agios> LouKall: what movies? Google videos, youtube, etc. all play fine with the flash plugin.
[02:22] <LouKall> streetfire.net
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> Am I the only one who doesn't really care about flash ?
[02:22] <chosebine> h3:no
[02:22] <LouKall> probably so.
[02:23] <LouKall> oh.
[02:23] <LouKall> wait.
[02:23] <LouKall> one more follower.
[02:23] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: but until now, I did not reinstalled any drivers, just purged it
[02:24] <chosebine> maybe the future of svg will replace flash
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: The driver you need was already there (just fglrx diverted a load of stuff you need for 3d)
[02:24] <LouKall> it sucks because thats the only videos i will really watch on the internet.
[02:24] <Agios> stand by, I'm trying something with a video from that site
[02:24] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: ohh
[02:24] <LouKall> okey.
[02:25] <LouKall> and it seems when i watch videos on googlevideo, there is no sound.
[02:25] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hello
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> RougeX: Hello
[02:26] <RogueX> Can someone help with playing DVD's?
[02:26] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hay glad your here
[02:26] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Think you can help with DVD prob?
[02:26] <Agios> ok, never mind. That was a complete failure.
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: What is the problem ? Did you run the installscript for dvdread3 ?
[02:28] <LouKall> it sucks--nothing there.
[02:28] <sorush20> what package do I need to install to be able to debug my ubuntu.com
[02:28] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: yes but now I cant upgrade because I get a conflict with some files called libdvdcss0.0.1 and I dont see them in apet
[02:28] <sorush20> what package do I need to install to be able to debug my ark crashes..
[02:29] <camilo> a
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: What are you trying to upgrade ?
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Are you using unofficial repos ?
[02:29] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: libdvdcss2 keeps wanting to update
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: apt-cache policy libdvdcss2
[02:30] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: is that a command?
[02:30] <badkill> Anybody here know a Brasilian chat ???
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: yes
[02:30] <badkill> were ???
[02:30] <LouKall> he wasnt talking to you badkill
[02:31] <soulrider> !pt
[02:31] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:31] <badkill> tim new user to UBUNTU and Kubuntu System and i leaning this !!!
[02:31] <badkill> OK Tkx !
[02:31] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: it came back Installed: (none)
[02:32] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: I uninstalled it tying to fix
[02:32] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: now I cant reinstall because of the other files
[02:32] <dek> !easysource
[02:32] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:33] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: I run this script (sudo /etc/init.d/?dm), but nothing happened. Then I have restarted the X server, but the OpenGL screensavers are still wrong.
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: glxinfo | grep direct
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Is it dpkg complaining about the files ?
[02:33] <soulrider> h3sp4wn: what was hte location of the file with the repositories addresses located?
[02:34] <soulrider> uhm, that came out quite wrong
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:34] <soulrider> thanks!
[02:34] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19650
[02:35] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: adept manager is what I am using to install
[02:35] <soulrider> is there a way to give root access to an application once you opened it?
[02:35] <sorush20> what other decompression programs are there?
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> tar can do bzip2 and gzip
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: run sudo dpkg -C
[02:36] <ndazza> hi! my wireless pcmcia card depends on linux-restricted-modules but it hasn't been released for the new kernel updates. where can i find out when this package will be released for the new kernel images?
[02:36] <nagyv> I thought that there could be something under System Settings/Display, and actually there is. There is an error stating that the module is remained from an older version OR that there remaind a setup program from a 3rd party program
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> ndazza: edit sources.list and add restricted after dapper-security main
[02:37] <ndazza> h3sp4wn: ahh! thanks
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: Run lsmod | grep fglrx
[02:37] <cpk2> ndazza: just use modprobe?
[02:37] <cpk2> !modprobe
[02:37] <cpk2> !modprobe
[02:37] <cpk2> well the bot isnt being very helpful right now but you get the idea
[02:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about modprobe - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:37] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: no output
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: lsmod | grep radeon
[02:37] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: same problem cant install because it would break other packages
[02:37] <Hawkwind> When was there a new kernel released ?
[02:38] <ndazza> cpk2: the module isn't installed, i needed the package itself :)
[02:38] <nagyv> h3sp4wn:
[02:38] <nagyv> $ lsmod | grep radeon
[02:38] <nagyv> radeon                116000  1
[02:38] <nagyv> drm                    73236  2 radeon
[02:38] <cpk2> ndazza: you know you dont need to recompile your kernel to get it to work right?
[02:39] <cpk2> i thought glxgears was also supposed to output a fps somewhere as well?
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: I don't know why radeon is not working (usually if the kernel module is there and there are no diverts then its working)
[02:39] <gnomefreak> cpk2: glxgears --printfps
[02:39] <gnomefreak> or 1 -
[02:39] <cpk2> gnomefreak: thanks
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> cpk2: strings /usr/bin/glxgears (and it will give you the command)
[02:40] <ndazza> cpk2: yes i know that. i'm not recompiling, the problem is that the package linux-restricted-modules is dependent on which kernel image has been installed, and there have been new kernel images in the last few days. linux-restricted-modules hasn't been upgraded along with the new kernel images
[02:40] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: no luck still the same
[02:40] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: in my xorg.conf file there are several monitor, sevice and device sections. could this be a problem?
[02:40] <ndazza> cpk2: the reason, as h3sp4wn kindly pointed out, is that i didn't specify restricted packages in my security updates
[02:40] <sorush20> what package do I need to install to back trace a crash in kde?
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: try changing Driver "ati" to Driver "radeon"
[02:41] <gnomefreak> sorush20: what crashed?
[02:41] <sorush20> ark
[02:41] <sorush20> gnomefreak:
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: And maybe try restarting because I don't know what fglrx may have done to the kernel if you tried to use it
[02:41] <cpk2> hmm is averaging 1900 fps decent for a laptop?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> sorush20: try gdb ark <enter>  when you get a (gdb) type run
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> see how well it plays Quake3 or Quake4 :)
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> cpk2: Its a meaningless benchmark hence why the fps is not displayed by default
[02:42] <cpk2> rofl i am certain it would die playing quake4
[02:42] <RogueX> Dr_Willis: good to see your here
[02:42] <gnomefreak> sorush20: if it comes back with no executable file or file than you need to run an strace (ltrace) or another type of trace
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: What repos are you using other than the official ones ?
[02:42] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: plf?
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Just plf ?(not beer or kid or quins xgl one)
[02:44] <LouKall> anyone know how i can burn cds with k3b?
[02:44] <LouKall> its giving me an error.
[02:44] <LouKall> no permissions for device, or something.
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> go on....
[02:45] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: backports?
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: can you not just do sudo aptitude purge dvd~i
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. were you asking about this earlier today LouKall ?
[02:45] <LouKall> nope.
[02:45] <Frederick> folks
[02:45] <LouKall> i wasnt on here earlier Dr_Willis
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: That wouldn't break it
[02:45] <Frederick> if adept failed to dl a package can I re-start it?
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> LouKall,  you are the 2nd today then to ask that.
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> Im wondering if theres some bug going on.
[02:45] <dek> how do I connect/disconnect from the internet?
[02:45] <LouKall> Dr_Willis, Interesting.
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> dek how are you connected?
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> Frederick: I would delete the partially downloaded file from /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:46] <LouKall> Dr_Willis, would you like for me to get specifics?
[02:46] <dek> ADSL, PPPoE
[02:46] <LouKall> Im not sure about bug reports.
[02:46] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: I did that but the only thing it did now is uninstall dvd+rw-tools
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> LouKall,  just someone else was in here today asking identical thing.. not sure if he fixed it or not.
[02:46] <LouKall> hmmm
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> LouKall,  may want to check the kubuntu/ubuntu wiki/forums.
[02:46] <LouKall> okay.
[02:46] <LouKall> i'll look.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> if its due to some updates.. it shouldbe mentioned there
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: so sudo aptitude dist-upgrade fails (what is the exact error)
[02:47] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: just did no errors.. but libdvdcss2 is not installed
[02:47] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: I think it still does not work :(, but even though thx for your help
[02:48] <adam__> how do u change the clock from military time to regular?
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: looks for documents on setting up linux on your exact laptop model (or if all else fails download the latest fglrx drivers from ati and use those)
[02:48] <cpk2> has anyone upgraded kde to .4 yet?
[02:49] <cpk2> it supposedly works now without breaking things?
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> adam__,  set the date format, click on the clock and look in the menus
[02:50] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: should the file libdvdcs0.0.1 not be here?
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> adam__,  you may have to restart the clock program for it to take effect.
[02:50] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: according to http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R6.7.0/doc/radeon.4.html, I think that the radeon driver only does not supports 3D for my card
[02:51] <RogueX> Anyone help with Amarok?
[02:51] <nagyv> RogueX: what is your problem?
[02:51] <RogueX> nagyv: I have to select the xine engine everytime I start it
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: look at the xorg 7 release notes particularly the part about r300 experimental suppotr
[02:52] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: mine is rv350, according to lspci
[02:53] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: any other ideas?
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> nagyv: And that is one of the ones that should work (anything with more than 4 pipes won't)
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Without the full error messages from apt / aptitude / dpkg I can't help you
[02:54] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: there is no error.
[02:54] <adam__> k thanks I got it.
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: dpkg -S libdvdcs0.0.1
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: If that comes up with nothing just remove it
[02:54] <LouKall> Dr_Willis, i just had to do sudo k3b
[02:54] <adam__> it wasn't very self-explanitory though. I had to change the "Country or Region" from default to USA
[02:54] <LouKall> i dont know why, but yeaaah
[02:55] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: that came up with nothing..   How do I remove it then?
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: sudo rm /path/to/whereitis
[02:57] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[02:57] <Ertain> I'm trying to figure out how mouse wheel turns can be recognized for button presses.  Specifically I'd like to move my mouse wheel up or down to scroll through a gallery of pictures in Kview.
[02:58] <madsp> hi , i was here sometimes ago had probs with partition and geeintng banc win all i needed was a real win install givin me the option to go dos and do a fixmbr , and start over gain. not farin buying a com without a real install cd , when promised to get win . anyway am on win now , got ubuntu on main boot partition. just im curious what makes ubuntu different from other ossises. i like ubunt just my everlasting curiousity. googled some shots of other dt
[02:59] <madsp> my typos might challenge you :P
[02:59] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: cant find... LOL  this is crazy  :)
[03:00] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: what is the command that makes apt do the check and clears out junk/
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: try /usr/lib but if you can't upgrade then apt/dpkg must give you some error
[03:01] <nagyv> RogueX: do you think to apt-get clean?
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: what was the error message from dpkg -C ?
[03:02] <acid-trip> you know how to compile and install quake2forge on kubuntu
[03:02] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: checked /usr/lib not there...     the error I get in Adept manager is cant install Conflict:libdvdcss0.0.1
[03:03] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: because I dont know better?  :)  make suggestion for better way?
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: run sudo aptitude (go into interactive aptitude)
[03:04] <acid-trip> h3sp4wn: what other repositories do i have to add(if any) to get w32codecs
[03:04] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, don't let yer knowledge make you arrogant and judgemental over those of us who are still learning :)
[03:05] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: ok running aptitude... now what?
[03:06] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Is this the better way to install packages than Adept manager???
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: control t - search find broken
[03:06] <sophie_> h3sp4wn: try apt-get (command line)
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> sophie_: aptitude install blah works on the commandline
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> sophie_: The advantage of aptitude is what is installed is logged so if you remove a package it removes its dependancies also
[03:08] <sophie_> h3sp4wn: same for apt-get
[03:08] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: doesnt come back with anything
[03:08] <rikioh> h3sp4wn: i personally use adept to search for things too :)
[03:08] <sophie_> h3sp4wn: to search I use apt-cache search foo foo2 foo3
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> rikioh: aptitude search (is powerful) just read the bit about the regular expressions
[03:09] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: ok lost... in menus where to??
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Actions install / remove packages (see what it wants to do)
[03:10] <yoshu> does anyone know how to get the development release of wine?
[03:10] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: "No pacages are scheduled to be installed, removed,or upgraded."
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: No idea then
[03:12] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: so how do I install libdvdcss2?
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> sophie_: I sometimes use apt-cache search but like the way with aptitude you can do something like aptitude search ~nsun~njava~i (to list packages that contain sun and java and are installed)
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: sudo aptitude install libdvdcss2
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> !info dvd
[03:13] <ubotu> Package dvd does not exist in dapper
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> ! dvd
[03:13] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> !dvd
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> Heh.
[03:14] <nagyv> is it normal to have 3 monitor, device and screen sections under xorg.conf?
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> The ubuntu default xorg is a littel cluttered
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> but ive seen MUCH worse
[03:15] <sophie_> h3sp4wn: try out "apt-cache search perl mp3" it will listt relevant packages containing in description both keywords
[03:16] <nagyv> Dr_Willis: and is it safe to delete 2-2 of every triple?
[03:16] <nnn0> !mp3
[03:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:16] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: I got the error "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.'
[03:16] <madsp> whats the dif ?
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> sophie_: But suppose I wanted to remove all the packages that fit that description that are installed (how could I do that)
[03:18] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: I got the error "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.'
[03:20] <Cornellius> RogueX: The repository is down, not your fault.
[03:20] <RogueX> Cornellius: Thank you I have been going crazy trying to fix this
[03:20] <Cornellius> RogueX: Well, is that the only repository who does that ?
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: Well your plf repo (which I think that package is in) is down
[03:20] <dek> !nvidia
[03:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:21] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Thanks for all your help .. hope I didnt strech your patience to much.
[03:21] <Cornellius> RogueX: We're here to help.
[03:21] <RogueX> Cornellius: I dont know if thats the only one
[03:21] <madsp> is there a main differesece betwen ubuntu and fedora fx ? i stick to ubuntu though my cousin appreciate dora more
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: just use libdvdread3 (I think that is in multiverse) and run the script to install it
[03:22] <sophie_> h3sp4wn: To be honest I don'Tt know but apt-get accept any regexp syntaxt, so I guest using wildcards should work
[03:22] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Will try that now
[03:22] <Cornellius> madsp: Well, Ubuntu is DEBs based while Fedora is RPMs based.
[03:23] <itssmeeagainn> hello... did anyone experience severe slow-downs when inserting an usb stick and copying from it? kubuntu 6.06 :D... please. any solution would be good :D
[03:23] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: I know how to install that but how do I run the script?
[03:23] <madsp> can i google those two words (sorry am novice in this and am too embarressed to ask my dear cousin) , and see the diff's
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> RogueX: just look at the !dvd page
[03:24] <rikioh> wormux is fun :)
[03:24] <Cornellius> !deb
[03:24] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[03:24] <Cornellius> !rpm
[03:24] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:24] <Cornellius> There madsp
[03:24] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: I foun out the problem. Given that I have already installed the ati drivers, I had to uninstall its setup program. Now the free radeon driver works great.
[03:24] <nagyv> h3sp4wn: although it seems like an error what it gives at glxinfo | grep direct
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> sophie_: I know you can use apt-cache / apt-get | dpkg | grep - but I think using the regexps of aptitude is simpler
[03:25] <nagyv> and I also have a problem under Sysem Settings->Display
[03:25] <madsp> ah ok , explains redhat conflicts i had earlier , i like doubleclick lol , ty muchly
[03:26] <Cornellius> madsp: Use debs on Ubuntu and rpms on Fedora.
[03:26] <Cornellius> No vice-versa
[03:26] <madsp> i writedown on my paper
[03:26] <Cornellius> madsp: Ubuntu is a nice distro to start. I'd say it's simplier than Fedora.
[03:27] <acid-trip> doesn't anyone know how to get quake2sorceforge working on kubuntu
[03:27] <Cornellius> Because a lot of people use it, there is also a lot of users to help.
[03:27] <madsp> ok , my cousin recommended me ubuntu , couse he thought id be mosre happy with taht to start with , makes perfect sence
[03:27] <acid-trip> Cornellius: i would like to agree with u on that
[03:28] <madsp> again sorry bout typos
[03:28] <nnn0> you can convert between deb and rpm with the alien script
[03:28] <Cornellius> nnn0: As a last resort only
[03:28] <acid-trip> nnn0: but sometimes the effect isn't always the best wished for
[03:28] <nnn0> of course
[03:28] <acid-trip> i like FreeBsd
[03:29] <nnn0> :)
[03:29] <Cornellius> Or trying Gentoo.
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> Then switch to ubuntu when you get lazy
[03:29] <Cornellius> Linux From Scratch
[03:29] <nnn0> LFS heh
[03:29] <nnn0> !
[03:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:29] <nnn0> :)
[03:29] <Cornellius> Heh
[03:30] <nnn0> ehehe the best beginner distro have to be knoppixmame or something :D
[03:31] <madsp> can i google like 'linix alinen danger' and understand why its not good ?
[03:31] <madsp> maybe alien
[03:31] <Cornellius> !alien
[03:31] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:32] <madsp> so danger in a matter of conflict ?
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> If you have something like oracle that is only available as rpm then using alien can be fine
[03:33] <h3sp4wn> most of the time it will cause you alot of problems
[03:33] <madsp> ok , sleepy now , and i repeat my childhood , why why why , ill be bsack tomorroew , and just watch the advices , think listening is a good way to learn . Good night :)
[03:37] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: I would say I become arrogant / judgemental - is when I think people have not made any attempt to read the available documentation (if its bad fair enough or if people give an example of what they don't understand fine but I don't like people being what I see as just lazy) (also I am quite autistic so often I don't know why people think anything other than what I think as I can't relate to that)
[03:39] <soulrider> guys, what was the name of hte CLI text editor?
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> vim
[03:40] <soulrider> thanks
[03:40] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: If you have never used it before maybe run 'vimtutor'
[03:41] <soulrider> i did... once lol
[03:41] <madsp> hey sorry , couldnt sleep and scrolled up ----
[03:42] <madsp> ive been recommended the unix programming enviorment book , but not ssure if it right niw ist inapropriate for me to read it yet since still a nov
[03:43] <madsp> its by brian kernighan and rob pike
[03:43] <soulrider> h3sp4wn:  how can i save/quit
[03:45] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, sometimes ppl with knowledge forget how difficult it is to get thru this Linux stuff and you appear to be a bit impatient with our learning curve ...that might be a better way to express that thought :)
[03:46] <sophie_> BluesKaj: I agree with h3sp4wn I find people tend to cry for help without even trying, having kids I try to teach to try before asking
[03:47] <briebert> Question--- I had everything perfect on system, NVIDIA working, etc. on Ubuntu / Gnome - installed KDE and font options (pixel smooth, etc.) cannot be changed anymore, any ideas?
[03:47] <madsp> how do i reboot ?
[03:47] <soulrider> lol
[03:47] <sophie_> madsp: sudo reboot from the command line
[03:47] <madsp> :)
[03:47] <soulrider> sorry if i ask too much, i know i can be annoying sometimes
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> Wll righty - figured out how to re-enable cups.
[03:50] <BluesKaj> sophie_, I have kids as well and trying something without much knowledge of the subject can get you into a lotta trouble in things that require precision , such as linux . :)
[03:53] <anoncon> lol how do i update kubuntu
[03:53] <anoncon> i know in ubuntu it was automatic besides password
[03:53] <dek> I installed my nVidia card drivers, and they seem to work but I cannot get to resolution over 1024x768, any ideas?
[03:54] <anoncon> did u check that the x config file was correct?
[03:54] <dek> what do you mean "correct"?
[03:54] <anoncon> should be nvidia instead of nv for the driver section i believe
[03:54] <dek> yes, I changed that
[03:55] <anoncon> did u check resolutions it had available?
[03:55] <sophie_> BluesKaj: agreed but without effort you don't learn,  I think you are supposing that linnux is more complex than windows it is not the case it is just different.  Linux does not require more precision than Windows you can screw up much more in Windows from the cmdline than linux (when you are not runninfg has root)
[03:55] <anoncon> i had this problem on another computer - never founda fix - moved onto another computer lol
[03:55] <dek> yes I 1024 down
[03:55] <dek> but I was unsure whether to edit that manually
[03:55] <anoncon> u want higher?
[03:55] <anoncon> yes u can
[03:55] <dek> I want 1280x1024
[03:56] <anoncon> u just have to know what ur monitor supports
[03:56] <dek> yes it does support that
[03:56] <anoncon> so enter it in the way u see the others
[03:56] <dek> I used it all thet ime in Windows xD
[03:56] <anoncon> k
[03:56] <dek> ok
[03:56] <dek> lets see
[03:56] <anoncon> how does one do security updates in kubuntu ?
[03:57] <BluesKaj> sophie , I have only about 5 yrs of off and on experience in Linux and every distro is different, so when I make a mistake it isn't from the lack of trying it's from the standpoint of knowing the commands before I try to do something .
[03:58] <soulrider> i dont like risking screwing things up, thats why i tend to ask, to make sure what im planning to do isnt gonna screw up my system
[03:59] <BluesKaj> i try to write stuff down , cus i know this memory won't recall it exactly whwn i need it again
[03:59] <soulrider> i do that
[03:59] <madsp> good night ,  even watching intelligent conv, cant keep me awake . hber det er ok jeg blir p serveren / i rummet . good night
[03:59] <soulrider> bye madsp
[04:00] <sophie_> BluesKaj: I agree with you on the matter but when I get questions vague has:  How do I install XGL? instead of how do I congifure gdm to use XGL?   you figure that the subject did not even read on it
[04:00] <BluesKaj> hej do
[04:00] <madsp> good night soulrider :)
[04:01] <BluesKaj> ok  sophie, point taken
[04:01] <Dasnipa`> what is the konsole command to open up openoffice?
[04:01] <anoncon> openoffice? lol
[04:01] <[-Ghost-] > good evening folks
[04:01] <Dasnipa`> anoncon, not right
[04:01] <zappix> Anyone here good with VMWare?
[04:01] <anoncon> it works for me
[04:01] <zappix> Nobody that is, is active in #vmware
[04:01] <zappix> T_T
[04:02] <anoncon> u must not have it installed
[04:02] <[-Ghost-] > this the right place for long time windows users who don't know diddly about command lines? *ducks*
[04:02] <anoncon> openoffice in the console works for me
[04:02] <soulrider> works for me too
[04:02] <soulrider> dont ou have a kmenu ?
[04:03] <soulrider> dont you*
[04:03] <anoncon> ya something is wrong with ur setup - i bet u dont have it installed......doh
[04:03] <Dasnipa`> it was before i upgraded to dapper
[04:03] <anoncon> upgraded from what?
[04:03] <zappix> /lib/vmware/bin/vmplayer: /lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
[04:03] <zappix> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:03] <zappix> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:03] <zappix> o_O
[04:04] <Dasnipa`> anoncon, breezy
[04:04] <sophie_> BluesKaj: sorry I did not  want to start an argument but I agree with you that some people need more help I see it with my sons that have barely a yeat different
[04:04] <anoncon> not sure what that did but maybe try reinstall openoffice?
[04:04] <Dasnipa`> thats what im doing
[04:04] <Dasnipa`> its removing an old package and adding this new one
[04:05] <Dasnipa`> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[04:05] <Dasnipa`>   openoffice.org-debian-files openoffice.org2-l10n-en-us
[04:05] <[-Ghost-] > reading thru the above links for common questions, but generally......should i have much trouble accessing my fat32 media folders now that i'm booted into Kubuntu?
[04:05] <sotired> ello
[04:06] <[-Ghost-] > last time i tried i made kubuntu unbootable for some reason, so formatted and am tryin again
[04:06] <sotired> ive been using kubuntu on my desktop for a while and i love, so now i am trying to install to my old inspiron laptop, however when i try to boot the cd i get to the options menu and then a box comes up and says i/o error no matter what option i chose
[04:06] <sotired> :(
[04:07] <pip> could be a bad burn
[04:07] <sophie_> sotired: look into disabling acpi when booting from cd
[04:07] <sotired> i dont get that far
[04:07] <sotired> i think it might be a bad burn i had this prob a while ago on the desktop
[04:07] <sotired> i burned using k3b...any suggestions?
[04:07] <sophie_> sotired: its a kernel option when booting
[04:08] <anoncon> ya burn @ 2x instead of max
[04:08] <sotired> ill try it
[04:08] <sotired> its actually xubuntu..but same difference
[04:08] <BluesKaj> sophie_, Ive read some of the ind=structional pages and site related installing and configuring programs and the attitude by the authors is dometimes presumptuous and that can be discouraging to newbies , so they would sooner enter a chat and ask for instructions in an environment that has some feedback .  It's my main computer. >.>'
[04:14] <BluesKaj> sotired, I have an old 233MMX , maybe I should load it up , but it's max Ram is 128 :(
[04:15] <sophie_> BluesKaj: load up kde or xfce
[04:15] <zappix> Anyone here
[04:15] <sotired> yeh..i just got this laptop as a hand me down for school...it had the worst virus on it...i think its called "windows me" ;-)
[04:15] <zappix> Anyone here know how to use VMWare?
[04:15] <zappix> ><;
[04:16] <sotired> but i figured it will be mediocre at best with win2k on it, so linux all the way
[04:16] <BluesKaj> I'm daul booting with windows on this pc and it's kinda nice to have a faster machine now ...ran the 233 for 2 yrs and it was slooowwww.
[04:16] <GreySim> Man, as a Gnome user, just trying to use KDE for the night to get a feel for it, I have to say, it looks like you all attracted the better artists. *drools over KDE-Look submissions*
[04:16] <soulrider> !ntfs > dek
[04:17] <soulrider> !ntfs
[04:17] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[04:17] <sotired> grey: i agree 10000%
[04:18] <GreySim> Is there a good channel for complete and total KDE n00bs, or is this probably an okay place to ask a bunch of little basic questions?
[04:18] <sotired> anyone see the ubuntu billboard that was posted on digg and del.icio.us? sweetness
[04:18] <sotired> i hiope they put one in my town
[04:19] <GreySim> I hope they put one in my town too, given that I'm right by MS HQ.  See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[04:21] <Martijn81> is a short artifact in the sound when loading a webpage a known 3.5.4 bug (music in amarok or video in kaffeine)?
[04:22] <GreySim> Eeep. It seems that I froze Konquerer by right-clicking on a .tar archive. And Kopete appears to have died too. o.O
[04:22] <sotired> success!!!!!!!!! thanks everyone!
[04:24] <soulrider> GreySim:  what happened to me
[04:24] <soulrider> close kopete adn everything will come abck to normal
[04:24] <GreySim> Weird. Killing Kopete made Konquerer un-freeze. o.O
[04:24] <GreySim> Yeah.
[04:24] <sotired> it seems to me that kopete is a memory hog, it might just be me tho
[04:24] <sotired> i prefer gaim
[04:25] <GreySim> Even as a Gnome user I can only barely tolerate Gaim. :(
[04:25] <soulrider> i dont like gaim much
[04:26] <Chani> kopete has gotten kinda big... heh
[04:26] <GreySim> Is there another KDE IM client?
[04:26] <sotired> it ugly...but i feel like kopete is slowing me down
[04:26] <sotired> is it just me? or is it a hog?
[04:26] <Chani> I dunno. there have been times when it was being really sluggish, but other times it's fine. lately it's been good
[04:26] <adam__> I get this error when trying to install w32codecs:
[04:26] <adam__> adam@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[04:26] <adam__> dpkg: error processing w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb (--install):
[04:26] <adam__>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[04:26] <adam__> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:26] <adam__>  w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[04:26] <sotired> why is my xubntu cd starting gnome?
[04:27] <Chani> there was a bug a few months ago where it would take 10-15 seconds to do *anything*.
[04:27] <adam__> i'm following instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5
[04:28] <sotired> isnt xubuntu supposed to use xfce and not gnome?
[04:28] <[-Ghost-] > i like kopete, can't get my webcam workin in it yet tho, i suppose i have to manually enable it like everything else....so much for "out of the box", lol
[04:28] <GreySim> sotired: Yeah. :|
[04:29] <sotired> oh it is xfce...but when it was booting it said starting gnome
[04:29] <adam__> help plz?
[04:30] <Bonez56> ?
[04:30] <GreySim> Is Karamba pretty memory-intensive, or do you think it would be fine under 256? Or 384, if I pop the sucker open real quick...
[04:30] <soulrider> !flash
[04:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:30] <farous> sotired: xfce is based on gtk applications so uses a lot of gnome stuff
[04:31] <Martijn81> lol, right clicking a file on desktop gives me the lipstik menu measurements, right clicking the desktop without a files give the the lipstik measurements (as set)
[04:31] <adam__> ya i'm following the istructions there but they arn't working
[04:31] <sotired> my resolution is effing huge and it wont let me change it....i think this lt has an old ati card...maybe it will fix itself once i install?
[04:33] <adam__> ubotu, the instructions for w32codecs at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats arn't working 4 me
[04:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about the instructions for w32codecs at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats arn't working 4 me - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:33] <adam__> ok
[04:34] <farous> adam__: ubotu is a boot
[04:34] <adam__> i sort of just realized that
[04:34] <farous> :)
[04:34] <adam__> so any can any humans help?
[04:34] <sotired> of course...ubuntu is for humans
[04:35] <sotired> sorry i had too
[04:35] <adam__> lol
[04:35] <farous> adam__: what was the prob
[04:35] <Martijn81> adam__: looks like you made a typo. Normally you'd get such a response
[04:35] <farous> you couldn't download the package
[04:36] <adam__> it downloads fine but doesn't work when I type this line: sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[04:36] <[-Ghost-] > thanks muchly, whoever posted in the topic, wrote or contributed to the article on mounting non-unix partitions, i just got my feet wet with konsole and am a happy camper
[04:36] <Cornellius> !factoids
[04:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about factoids - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:36] <Martijn81> adam__: try typing sudo dpkg -i w32c and then hit tab
[04:36] <Cornellius> !factoid
[04:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[04:36] <farous> adam__: use tab completion as been suggested earlier might be a typo
[04:37] <farous> adam__: so sudo dpkg -i w32 then press tab bottom
[04:37] <farous> botton lol
[04:37] <Martijn81> kinky :p
[04:38] <adam__> looks like it's working........
[04:38] <soulrider> err, whats the command to unmount a mounted partition ?
[04:38] <Martijn81> adam__: you have to be in the right directory for type completion to work though
[04:38] <sotired> umount
[04:38] <Martijn81> ok
[04:38] <soulrider> ah
[04:38] <soulrider> i thought it was unmount :P
[04:38] <sotired> you would think
[04:41] <[-Ghost-] > is there a specific channel for Kopete where i should direct my webcam questions? or is my problem likely not kopete-specific and more related to me not knowing how to turn my darn camera on under Kubuntu?
[04:41] <sotired> hey, while im here, anybody have anysuggestions as to what wireless pc-card i should buy for max linux compatability (doesnt have to support 802.11g)
[04:42] <[-Ghost-] > i'll say one thing for linux, so far it's very humbling....i've been doing pc tech support for years with windoze. lol
[04:42] <sotired> ghost- so have i..you will get used to it
[04:42] <adam__> ok thanks guys. I think it worked
[04:43] <Martijn81> sotired: i guess-> http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=faq#which_is_the_best_card_to_buy
[04:44] <farous> [-Ghost-] : there is a program camorama you can use it to see if your webcam is working
[04:44] <sotired> thanks
[04:44] <[-Ghost-] > ah, so my camera should already be installed and working under kubuntu by default, and i just might have a non-compatible one for linux?
[04:45] <sotired> martijn81: so these will all work with no hassle config?
[04:45] <sotired> no ndiswrapper
[04:45] <Martijn81> sotired: can't say, i don't do wireless
[04:46] <farous> !cam
[04:46] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:46] <[-Ghost-] > thanks kindly, got me some readin to do.....mmmmm, knowledge
[04:46] <Martijn81> sotired: but for what i read it's supported with the Atheros chipset
[04:47] <farous> [-Ghost-] : mine just worked out of the box i still recommend to use thea camorama package to see if yours have the proper driver
[04:48] <farous> it is usually under /dev/video0 or /dev/video1
[04:48] <[-Ghost-] > i have an intel pocket pro pc cam
[04:48] <[-Ghost-] > they're not known for good driver support
[04:48] <Martijn81> sotired: the ralink give a hit on wiki, maybe that help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=ralink&titlesearch=Titels
[04:48] <sotired> thanks
[04:48] <Bonez> hi, i've just installed kubuntu-desktop (i'm normally a gnome user) where is the option to enable VNC server so I can remotely control KDE?
[04:49] <sotired> im reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:49] <farous> [-Ghost-] : good luck the n :)
[04:49] <sotired> seems helpful
[04:49] <[-Ghost-] > thanks for the tips farous :)
[04:51] <[-Ghost-] > hmm, seems i already have the drivers installed
[04:51] <[-Ghost-] > under the libgphoto2 package
[04:51] <zappix> Haha
[04:51] <zappix> I just realized something
[04:51] <zappix> Konquerer can be used as an FTP client
[04:51] <zappix> just be all
[04:52] <zappix> ftp:\lalalalalalalalalalalacookiellamas.domain
[04:52] <zappix> and enter your username and password
[04:52] <[-Ghost-] > really? cool i was gonna try swiftfox instead of Knoqueror, but it seems like Konqueror is a bit multi-talented, too useful to switch from
[04:52] <dek> where can i get repositories?
[04:53] <serfdomer> what command will show all the open ports?
[04:53] <zappix> Try your nose?
[04:53] <zappix> :P
[04:53] <petey> hello
[04:53] <dek> :P
[04:53] <zappix> Serfdomer: What?
[04:53] <serfdomer> hey petey
[04:53] <petey> kubuntu is awesome
[04:53] <anoncon> ya how do u get the right repositores for kubuntu?
[04:53] <serfdomer> right, i need to know what command shows all open ports
[04:53] <anoncon> i only see fore ubuntu
[04:53] <serfdomer> universe
[04:54] <zappix> on your router?
[04:54] <zappix> or..........
[04:54] <farous> anoncon: i normally use netstat tup
[04:54] <zappix> alright
[04:54] <farous> anoncon: you have to read more about netstat do not know the exact switches you need
[04:54] <zappix> I gotta go
[04:54] <zappix> seeya
[04:55] <anoncon> lol i wasnt askin about ports
[04:55] <anoncon> i was asking about adding repositores for updates and more apps
[04:55] <serfdomer> anoncon: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:55] <farous> oh that was for serfdomer sorry
[04:55] <serfdomer> uncomment the universe
[04:56] <farous> !easysource > anoncon
[04:56] <serfdomer> tried netstat..
[04:56] <anoncon> that's cool thanks
[04:56] <farous> serfdomer: there are couple of package you can check at help.ubuntu.com such as ethreal
[04:56] <farous> pick and choose
[04:57] <serfdomer> THANKS!
[04:57] <farous> ur w :)
[04:57] <serfdomer> exit
[04:58] <soulrider> !easysource > dek
[05:12] <Leeif> is there a cvs repository for ubuntu?
[05:14] <farous> Leeif: there is a repos for the next release
[05:15] <farous> but what do you mean by cvs for ubuntu
[05:16] <Leeif> farous: well i need the cvs version of gnome-terminal and vte. im just looking for an easy way to install them.
[05:16] <farous> Leeif: ah ask in ubuntu room then :)
[05:16] <Leeif> ok
[05:17] <Leeif> people dont answer there
[05:17] <Leeif> :p
[05:17] <Leeif> thats why im here
[05:17] <[Relic] > anyway of quickly merging text files?  I know in win I can copy everything into one file, not sure if that is possible with this   :)
[05:17] <farous> Leeif: you have to wait for the specific developer or perhas they do not know
[05:18] <Leeif> farous: yes. in gnome everything just works :)
[05:18] <farous> cli > [Relic]
[05:19] <farous> [Relic] : easy way is use pipes such as file1 >> file2 will append 1 to 2
[05:19] <farous> Leeif: agree :)
[05:20] <[Relic] > wildcards work?  say I have joe.map bob.map fred.map   I can use  *.map > all.map   ?
[05:21] <farous> i would use cat for that and it is double arrows
[05:22] <farous> linux is known for the ease you can do that stuff relic
[05:22] <[Relic] > just trying to figure out this game design and I am not 100% sure of the way a few things work  :)
[05:27] <zappix> NOOOOOOOOOO
[05:27] <zappix> Gah DAMNIT
[05:27] <zappix> 30 minute long upload
[05:27] <zappix> was just about finished
[05:27] <zappix> and it DIED
[05:28] <[Relic] > now it will be an hour upload?
[05:28] <soulrider> has anyopne tried the ntfs-3g driver? I installed it and mounted hte partitions. I can access them thorugh /media/ but if in conqueror i got to media:/ and click on one of them i get an access denied error
[05:28] <soulrider> any ideas?
[05:31] <treyy> is there a way to request unbanning from an irc channel
[05:32] <soulrider> who got anned? :/
[05:32] <soulrider> banned*
[05:33] <treyy> i was banned about a year ago from #ubuntu
[05:33] <soulrider> :O
[05:34] <treyy> i honestly can't remember why
[05:34] <Hobbsee> treyy: yes.  what'd you get banned for, and are you about to do it again?
[05:34] <treyy> i don't remember. it might've been flooding while trying to copy and paste a log file when trying to get help
[05:35] <Hobbsee> treyy: try connecting now?
[05:35] <timthelion> you get banned so often you don't remember?
[05:36] <treyy> yeah, that's definitely it.
[05:36] <treyy> hobbsee, thank you very much
[05:36] <Hobbsee> treyy: er, um?
[05:36] <treyy> sorry, that was directed towards timthelion
[05:38] <treyy> hm
[05:40] <treyy> no idea why it'd do that?
[05:45] <treyy> is there a way i could talk to an admin from #ubuntu
[05:45] <CVirus> admin ?
[05:45] <CVirus> you mean a Ubuntu developer ?
[05:45] <treyy> op, i'm sorry
[05:46] <Cornellius> #ubuntu-ops
[05:46] <CVirus> no idea about that
[05:46] <treyy> cornellius, thanks
[05:53] <apeman2020> hello everyone
[06:04] <soulrider> hi
[06:07] <apeman2020> why does kubuntu log me in as root automatically?
[06:08] <Martijn81> apeman2020: it doesn't
[06:09] <Snook> hello
[06:09] <apeman2020> Martijn81:curious, mine is doing it all the time
[06:09] <apeman2020> Martijn81: on startup, right to root..
[06:10] <Snook> Why does koffice only copy text when using ctrl-c, paste. Instead of copying everything as in Word?
[06:10] <Martijn81> apeman2020: then you have set it somewhere i guess, normally with a desktop installation you have your own account with sudo access
[06:11] <apeman2020> right
[06:11] <apeman2020> Martijn81: normally that is the case, but with this build something is off..
[06:11] <apeman2020> Martijn81: ill take your advice!@
[06:12] <Snook> Why does koffice only copy text when using ctrl-c, paste. Instead of copying everything as in Word?
[06:13] <luisillo> hello anyone familiarized with Wine? installed with Adept but cant find it in k menu
[06:13] <Martijn81> snook: i don't follow, both the copy/paste and ctrl+c/ctrl+v do work here
[06:16] <Snook> Martijn81: I needed to copy a paypal receipt. In Mozila I selected entire page, then I went to koffice doc and pasted, only text pasted.
[06:16] <Martijn81> luisillo: wine should work automaticly when opening an *.exe file
[06:16] <Snook> Martijn81: whe I did that in word, it copied graphics also.
[06:19] <Martijn81> snook: i see, dunno about that sorry
[06:20] <Snook> thanks
[06:22] <CVirus> how can I switch between konqueror tabs ?
[06:24] <abattoir> CVirus: Ctrl+. and Ctrl+,
[06:24] <abattoir> CVirus: you can of course change it Settings->Configure Shortcuts
[06:26] <CVirus> thanks
[06:27] <soulrider> i just mounted 2 ntfs partitions
[06:27] <soulrider> i can go to /media/ and i see thema dn can access them
[06:27] <soulrider> but in konqueror in media:/ i dont see them
[06:27] <soulrider> any ideas of whats happening?
[06:27] <ubuntu> kubuntu didnt install grub on my /dev/sda how should i do it manually?
[06:28] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: did you choose XFS for your root file system(/) ?
[06:28] <hawhatwhat> it didnt let me choose anything
[06:28] <abattoir> soulrider: 3.5.4 ?
[06:29] <soulrider> yea
[06:29] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: you used the live cd installer?
[06:29] <hawhatwhat> yes
[06:29] <abattoir> soulrider: i heard something about a bug... not 100% sure though...
[06:29] <soulrider> :O
[06:29] <soulrider> ok
[06:29] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: you should have got a dialog asking for the filesystem type for your partitions
[06:29] <hawhatwhat> oooh
[06:29] <hawhatwhat> no i used ext3
[06:29] <hawhatwhat> for my root fs
[06:30] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: hmmm... so any errors you got? about the Installer crashing?
[06:30] <hawhatwhat> i did get some
[06:30] <hawhatwhat> but it continued
[06:30] <kubuntutaotao> where was the kde 3.5.4 downloaded?
[06:30] <hawhatwhat> partitioned and installed
[06:31] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: could you pastebin the /var/log/installer syslog?
[06:31] <abattoir> !pastebin
[06:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:31] <hawhatwhat> sure
[06:31] <abattoir> kubuntutaotao: you want the link for the downloads... right?
[06:31] <soulrider> kubuntutaotao: i got ti fromt he repositores
[06:31] <soulrider> repositories*
[06:31] <kubuntutaotao> abattoir: yeah
[06:32] <kubuntutaotao> soulrider: what the sources was?
[06:32] <soulrider> let me get ti for you
[06:32] <abattoir> kubuntutaotao: 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse'
[06:32] <soulrider> yea
[06:32] <abattoir> kubuntutaotao: assuming you are on dapper... :)
[06:32] <soulrider> i used the Kde one though
[06:32] <soulrider> that has allt he KDE apps
[06:33] <kubuntutaotao> abattoir: yaah,i am working on dapper
[06:33] <hawhatwhat> ok i pastebin'd it
[06:33] <kubuntutaotao> abattoir: thanks
[06:33] <abattoir> kubuntutaotao: yup, the link is good then :)
[06:33] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: link?
[06:33] <kubuntutaotao> abattoir: :)
[06:33] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: nvm
[06:33] <hawhatwhat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19662
[06:34] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: are you sure that is the right file?
[06:34] <abattoir>  /var/log/installer/syslog?
[06:34] <hawhatwhat> im not booted into the sy stem cuz it didnt install grub
[06:35] <hawhatwhat> im on the livecd right now
[06:35] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: aah, i want the file from the session which failed...
[06:35] <kubuntutaotao> abattoir: had the bugs in kde 3.5.4?
[06:35] <hawhatwhat> i tried mounting the partition i installed it on and it wont mount
[06:36] <abattoir> hawhatwhat:any specific errors?
[06:36] <hawhatwhat> ill reinstall it
[06:36] <hawhatwhat> and post error
[06:36] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: ok :)
[06:37] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: make sure you connect here when the installation is going on... we might need to see other files too...
[06:37] <hawhatwhat> this is what it says
[06:37] <hawhatwhat> when i fire it up
[06:37] <hawhatwhat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19663
[06:37] <hawhatwhat> thats same error as before there was no errors when it was installing
[06:37] <hawhatwhat> cant i just install grub manually now?
[06:38] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: yes, the installer has crashed.. grub may not be installed due to various reasons... hence we must see why... if you want you can try reinstalling grub...
[06:38] <abattoir> !grub
[06:38] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:38] <hawhatwhat> alright ill try that thanks
[06:39] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: wait, that doesnt have much info...
[06:41] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: hmm.. ok, can you try reinstallation :P ?
[06:41] <hawhatwhat> no
[06:41] <hawhatwhat> should i?
[06:41] <hawhatwhat> i have windows on this drive to on another partition
[06:42] <hawhatwhat> so i want to keep that intact and dual boot
[06:42] <hawhatwhat> reinstalling now
[06:42] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: i dont think that'd be touched unless you choose to format that partition
[06:42] <hawhatwhat> does ubuntu not give u a root?
[06:42] <abattoir> make sure you have that partition 'unchecked' when you come to the partitioning dialog...
[06:42] <hawhatwhat> root user?
[06:42] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: you can become root by 'sudo'
[06:43] <hawhatwhat> and roots passwd is?
[06:43] <abattoir> you havent installed it yet? then the default user should have root privs.
[06:43] <hawhatwhat> its reinstalling now
[06:44] <capricorn_tm> Hi there^_^
[06:45] <soulrider> hi capricorn_tm
[06:45] <capricorn_tm> I have a quick question, about the new KDE. what happens if I use the repository of Dapper for my breezy? It does not seem to be a Breezy package of 3.5.4 for breezy
[06:46] <Hobbsee> capricorn_tm: it'll die horribly.
[06:47] <gregory> Opening any video in Kaffeine gives me just audio. The screen is black. (totem-xine and mplayer both crash on startup.) My processor is AMD and video ard nVidia, if that helps.
[06:47] <capricorn_tm> That bad uh?
[06:47] <gregory> *card
[06:47] <gregory> Err, I also have every codec I can think of installed, and to do that I used automatix.
[06:48] <abattoir> gregory: amd64 ?
[06:48] <soulrider> a KDE splash screen is the thingy that appears when its loading right?
[06:48] <abattoir> soulrider: yup
[06:48] <soulrider> ok
[06:48] <soulrider> and  if i change it, will ti change the login screen too ?
[06:48] <gregory> The proc is amd64, but I'm using the 32-bit kubuntu build
[06:48] <abattoir> soulrider: nope it wont...
[06:49] <soulrider> ok, thanks!
[06:49] <abattoir> gregory: what type of files? also could you check /usr/lib/win32 to check if the codecs are already present?
[06:49] <abattoir> *actually present
[06:50] <Kr4t05> What's the compression rate for .tar.gz?
[06:50] <gregory> they appear to be present. I've tried mpgs, wmvs, and a DVD, all giving the same result.
[06:50] <abattoir> Kr4t05: i think that'd depend on the type of file...
[06:51] <abattoir> Kr4t05: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format) might shed some info :P
[06:51] <hawhatwhat> ok abattoir it says installion complete reboot it told me this before but when it booted it loaded windwos and not grub
[06:52] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: it gives no errors?
[06:52] <hawhatwhat> nope
[06:52] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: what about /var/log/installer/syslog?
[06:52] <wolfmanz> abattoir do you have any idea why when i load up XMMS there is two process's running and between them they eat up about 70 megs of ram?
[06:52] <hawhatwhat> 1 sec
[06:52] <abattoir> wolfmanz: no idea, i use amarok :)
[06:53] <abattoir> gregory: did you try mplayer?
[06:53] <gregory> mplayer crashes as soon at i try to open a video with it
[06:53] <gregory> As does totem
[06:54] <abattoir> gregory: something is wrong w/ the codecs then?
[06:54] <hawhatwhat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19665
[06:54] <gregory> If that were the case, would I even get audio?
[06:55] <farous> hawhatwhat: did you install grub to the master boot record or eslewhere
[06:55] <hawhatwhat> it didnt ask me
[06:55] <hawhatwhat> it did it all on its own
[06:55] <gregory> For what it's worth, MP3s play just fine in any player.
[06:55] <soulrider> !karamba
[06:55] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[06:55] <farous> hawhatwhat: ok
[06:55] <hawhatwhat> i wish i had more involvment in the install
[06:56] <farous> hawhatwhat: normally it install to the mbr which should not give you probs. unless you have some sort of protection for it in your bios
[06:56] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: installation is not being completed properly from what i see... are you trying to install on the same partition w/o formatting it?
[06:57] <hawhatwhat> no it did format it
[06:57] <hawhatwhat> it was checked
[06:57] <kakalto> is kde 3.5.4 fine under dapper?
[06:57] <gregory> Could it be related to the fact that I'm using nv as my display driver?
[06:58] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: the installer crashes many times in the beinning... for some reason...
[06:59] <hawhatwhat> do i have to set the ext3 to active?
[06:59] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: you mean flag it as bootable?
[06:59] <hawhatwhat> well it says set to active
[06:59] <hawhatwhat> i have my windows partition set to active and not the root
[06:59] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: you could try the alternate installer if the desktop installer causes problems consistently
[07:00] <gregory> installed nvidia-glx. BRB, testing.
[07:00] <hawhatwhat> will it normally give me grub options?
[07:00] <hawhatwhat> if i manualyl configure partitions do i have to manually format them to?
[07:01] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: you'd have to make sure the 'Format' option is checked in the last screen before installation
[07:01] <hawhatwhat> yea it aint working i dunno maybe i should go back to slackware i guess
[07:02] <hawhatwhat> kubuntu looks good but it leaves you out of alot of the nesc. options
[07:02] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: if you are comfortable w/ the command line, you can use the text-based alternate installer...
[07:02] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: should give you more 'control'
[07:02] <hawhatwhat> im using the gui installer
[07:02] <intelikey> the installer on the live cd is a bad joke.  and i haven't seen anyone laughing about it.
[07:03] <digibre4k> hi...i need u're help...give me an idea...what kind of title about linux 4 my script...
[07:03] <farous> intelikey: no one is laughing for it is just bad not a joke :)
[07:03] <intelikey> farous ah that explains it.   i though i missed the punch line....
[07:04] <hawhatwhat> is ther ealot of problems when u try to isntall on a sata drive or what?
[07:04] <intelikey> :)
[07:04] <farous> :)
[07:04] <Kr4t05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_hell <-- That should be in ubotu. :P
[07:05] <intelikey> i wonder why xorg can't access my mouse when i boot the 2.4 kernel ?    very sterange...
[07:06] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/ you can try the alternate installer if you want
[07:06] <hawhatwhat> well if its not working here i dont really wanna mess arou nd with it anymore i guess i wanted to just check it out since everyones talking about it
[07:06] <hawhatwhat> i dunno a distro that does everything for you doesnt make alot of sense to me i guess
[07:06] <intelikey> yeah root is only for the very brave or the very stupid     no ?
[07:07] <dek> Linux doesn't recognize one of my NTFS paritions (I can see it from Windows). Any ideas?
[07:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[07:08] <hawhatwhat> dek is it mounted
[07:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Is it safe to upgrade KDE to .4 now?
[07:08] <dek> that's what I want to know
[07:08] <dek> it should be, all others are
[07:08] <intelikey> hawhatwhat ubuntu is just another linux distro.  if you like linux you'll find things you like about *buntu  if you don't like linux then   well  you wont.
[07:08] <hawhatwhat> uhh? check it
[07:08] <dek> how?
[07:09] <hawhatwhat> intelikey it has nothing to do with liking linux
[07:09] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey ratched jawed geek!
[07:09] <hawhatwhat> if i wanted a fully automated install i would use windows
[07:09] <hawhatwhat> this is giving me zero options to configure anything
[07:10] <dek> how do I check if my partition that doesn't appear is mounted?
[07:10] <hawhatwhat> dek what drive is it?
[07:10] <hawhatwhat> mount it manually
[07:10] <dek> drive E: in windows
[07:10] <intelikey> hawhatwhat sure it does.     i hate the installer on the live cd   with a purple pasion.   but when you get past the 'automation' and boot the thing and start configuring it to your liking     it's just linux.
[07:10] <hawhatwhat> mount /dev/hd?? /mnt/putithere
[07:10] <dek> ok let me try
[07:11] <hawhatwhat> see people like dek make it kinda lame
[07:11] <hawhatwhat> he obviously knows nothing about linux
[07:11] <hawhatwhat> and this automated version gives no options for grub is it supposed to?
[07:11] <farous> dek: mount is for root easier way try pmount as regular user
[07:11] <dek> of course, I installed linux today for first time xD
[07:11] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hi :)
[07:11] <intelikey> that can be said for 85% of the people that use *buntu hawhatwhat
[07:11] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: come on, i gave you the link for the alternate installer, if you are comfortable w/ that please use it :)
[07:12] <hawhatwhat> intelikey well thats pretty lame you learn nothing from a point and click install
[07:12] <hawhatwhat> abattoir: im just interested in knowing why your not given grub options to setup dual booting during the gui install
[07:12] <hawhatwhat> and if grub doesnt install wtf good is the gui installer?
[07:12] <Pablo> what does it mean when I am trying to compile madwifi and I get enable wireless extensitions
[07:12] <intelikey> farous prolly a low estimate.  but i was trying to be nice.
[07:13] <abattoir> hawhatwhat: the live cd installer is under constant development, and in a way is target at people who are new to linux, dont know what GRUB is...
[07:13] <hawhatwhat> ubuntu is looking more an more like an AOL of linux distros to me
[07:13] <moparisthebest> does anyone know what this error means: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[07:13] <hawhatwhat> its pretty horrible to say the least
[07:14] <moparisthebest> hawhatwhat, then fix it or use another one ;)
[07:14] <hawhatwhat> well its been great my 1st and only experience with ubuntu i know now not to bother with it again
[07:14] <intelikey> hawhatwhat while i agree with your opinion of the distro.  this is not the place for it.   stop trolling.
[07:14] <hawhatwhat> ya
[07:14] <hawhatwhat> take it easy everyohne
[07:15] <intelikey> moparisthebest nvidia ?
[07:15] <moparisthebest> yes intelikey
[07:16] <intelikey> means you don't have glx   i'd guess.
[07:16] <moparisthebest> I already installed the driver and ran the command to enable it, and restarted
[07:16] <intelikey> did you follow the wiki on nvidia ?
[07:16] <moparisthebest> ill look
[07:16] <moparisthebest> no, ill look at that too
[07:16] <intelikey> !nvidia
[07:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:16] <moparisthebest> strange thing is it worked before :/
[07:17] <intelikey> yeah.   ;/
[07:17] <MilhousePunkRock> moparisthebest: You need to change your part message, this is a family friendly channel...
[07:18] <moparisthebest> MilhousePunkRock, i didnt even know I had one, ill look at it :/
[07:18] <Chani> nvidia + xorg7.1 = pain, i thought...
[07:18] <kakalto> uhm
[07:19] <kakalto> xorg7.1 broke compatibility with the binary drivers.
[07:19] <moparisthebest> oops, i did, done ;)
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> moparisthebest: No big deal, I noticed it a few times when you left, obviously there is no chance of telling you when you are not there anymore...
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Hey!
[07:20] <moparisthebest> yea MilhousePunkRock , thats hard to do :P
[07:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Is someone else having problems to add Riddell's key for KDE 3.5.4?
[07:21] <Chani> now I can't eember why I'm here
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Can you help with with adding the gpg-key for 3.5.4?
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Nevermind, was a typo... :-o
[07:25] <gregory> I think i was half-right. It was apparently a driver issue, but installing nvidia-glx didn't help. It took some tinkering I don't entirely understand, but I have video! :)
[07:25] <soulrider> does anyone knwo of a good app to synch a USB drive witha  folder?
[07:25] <soulrider> or just synch 2 folders
[07:29] <intelikey> i wonder why xorg can't access my mouse when i boot the 2.4 kernel ?    xorg works with the 2.6  and gpm works with both.    xorg is pointed at /dev/psaux just like gpm is... and both are set to ps/2        any thoughts ?
[07:30] <kakalto> intelikey: you think that issue has something to do with udev?
[07:31] <intelikey> no chance kakalto
[07:31] <kakalto> no?
[07:31] <intelikey> i don['t use udev.
[07:31] <kakalto> eh? it's default in all kernels since.... 2.6.13 or something?
[07:31] <Hawkwind> udev is not default in the kernel
[07:31] <kakalto> no?
[07:31] <kakalto> hmm
[07:32] <rr72> anyone like in flames?
[07:33] <ndazza> rr72 they're not bad
[07:33] <rr72> ndazza~ some due i know just sent me a few songs, i don't do too much metal but its good
[07:34] <CVirus> isnt Kplayer in the repos. ?!!
[07:34] <ndazza> if my pci cards don't show up in lspci, what's the problem? tried with several cards in both pci slots
[07:34] <CVirus> ndazza: try lshw
[07:34] <CVirus> ndazza: sudo lshw
[07:35] <CVirus> ndazza: maybe sudo lspci
[07:35] <SpAwN> rr72, there decent
[07:35] <ndazza> CVirus: ok ta
[07:35] <CVirus> np
[07:40] <kakalto> "udev is included in almost every 2.6 kernel based Linux distribution that is shipping" - is kubuntu not included? udev is on my system
[07:40] <kakalto> hmm
[07:40] <Hawkwind> Included and default are two totally different things though
[07:41] <kakalto> true
[07:41] <kakalto> I was probably just thinking along the lines of it being default in gentoo >.>
[07:42] <moparisthebest> that makes no sense
[07:42] <rr72> anyone ever try LFS?
[07:42] <kakalto> yeh.
[07:42] <moparisthebest> I couldnt get my nvidia driver to work, it froze up when I tried to start the x server
[07:42] <kakalto> heheh. ditto
[07:42] <moparisthebest> then I booted an older kernel and it worked perfectly ;)
[07:42] <kakalto> wha?
[07:42] <moparisthebest> but now my sound doesnt work :P
[07:42] <kakalto> lol
[07:43] <kakalto> rr72: I tried lfs once... kinda interesting learning and stuff...
[07:43] <kakalto> but I must say I love the integration that comes from other distros.
[07:44] <rr72> i  like debian SuSE and kubuntu
[07:44] <rr72> top of my list
[07:45] <kakalto> hmm, I disliked SuSE
[07:46] <soulrider> hey rr72
[07:46] <kakalto> haven't tried any official debian distros
[07:46] <rr72> sup soulrider
[07:46] <rr72> kakalto~ why?
[07:46] <kakalto> derivatives work
[07:46] <kakalto> kubuntu is fine
[07:46] <soulrider> hey, you guys know anty program to synch folderS?
[07:46] <soulrider> im gonna need one
[07:46] <kakalto> and I don't run a server or anything that I'd want to mess with debian stable for
[07:46] <rr72> synch?
[07:47] <soulrider> yea
[07:47] <rr72> why not just link em
[07:47] <soulrider> synchronize
[07:47] <soulrider> link them ?
[07:47] <rr72> why?
[07:47] <kakalto> symbolic link
[07:47] <rr72> what are you doing?
[07:47] <soulrider> wtf is that
[07:47] <soulrider> i want to ahve a folde rin my pen drive
[07:47] <rr72> like a shortcut sort of
[07:47] <soulrider> and in my hard drive
[07:47] <rr72> ah
[07:47] <soulrider> that ahve exactly the same contents
[07:47] <soulrider> and say i modify th eone in my pendrive when im nto home
[07:47] <kakalto> so a link wouldn't work.
[07:47] <soulrider> when i connect it to my comp
[07:47] <rr72> and u want it to update when u plug it in?
[07:47] <soulrider> i would like htem to get the same contents
[07:48] <soulrider> exactly
[07:48] <rr72> im sure python would like this but i can't think in pythin
[07:48] <Milhouse> !ghost > Milhouse
[07:48] <rr72> havent dealt with python for ever
[07:48] <kakalto> I dunno if it's just for palmpilots, but I recall a synch package called 'kitchensync' or something
[07:48] <kakalto> kde app
[07:49] <rr72> lol
[07:49] <kakalto> it's a memorable name
[07:49] <kakalto> =)
[07:49] <rr72> love the name
[07:49] <rr72> ;)
[07:49] <soulrider> lol yea
[07:49] <rr72> !ghost
[07:49] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[07:49] <rr72> lol
[07:49] <rr72> i knew that
[07:49] <MilhousePunkRock> re everyone
[07:50] <digibre4k> haloouw.....
[07:50] <rr72> re?
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> As in "Hi again" rr72
[07:50] <digibre4k> i have something question???
[07:50] <rr72> oh
[07:50] <rr72> lol im pressing enter before i type cause i play a game and u talk like that
[07:51] <kakalto> digibre4k: we can't help if you don't ask :)
[07:53] <intelikey> anyone on the xorg mouse problem 2.4 kernel ?
[07:53] <kakalto> why are ya using 2.4 anyway?
[07:54] <intelikey> so i can boot from a dos disk
[07:54] <kakalto> ohkay
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Why is adept wanting to uninstall kdelibs-bin?
[07:55] <intelikey> something conflicts with it ?
[07:56] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: Doesn't look like it... Is there no 3.5.4 candidate version for it maybe?
[07:57] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock idk   apt-cache search    is your friend
[07:57] <intelikey> !info kdelibs-bin
[07:57] <ubotu> kdelibs-bin: core binaries for all KDE applications. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 795 kB, installed size 2488 kB
[07:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Someone needs to update ubotu...
[07:57] <intelikey> the bot has only 3.5.2
[07:57] <kakalto> well
[07:58] <kakalto> 3.5.2 is dapper release candidate
[07:58] <noaXess_kubuntu> !easysource
[07:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:58] <kakalto> it's what's in the default repos, isn't it
[07:58] <kakalto> to get any newer, you have to add certain repos - which ubotu doesn't seem to cover
[07:59] <MilhousePunkRock> I wonder why apt-get upgrade tells me 80 packets are held back anyway...
[07:59] <intelikey> dist-upgrade
[07:59] <intelikey> if you don't add dist- you don't upgrade the system.
[07:59] <kakalto> I'm out
[07:59] <kakalto> bye
[08:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, that works, thx intelikey aka ratched jawed geek
[08:00] <intelikey> np yw
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> !info kpilot
[08:02] <ubotu> kpilot: KDE Palm Pilot hot-sync tool. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1855 kB, installed size 4308 kB
[08:16] <kameron_> i'm having an error with make
[08:16] <kameron_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d19667
[08:18] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, it looks like I am on KDE 3.5.4 now...
[08:18] <grothesk_> MilhousePunkRock: Does it 'punkrock'?
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> grothesk: I hope so... I guess I'll have to restart KDE to find it out... The speed increase on 3.5.3 was really noticeable...
[08:20] <grothesk_> Everytime there is a speedup.
[08:20] <patrootredhat> bonjour alll
[08:20] <patrootredhat> my french
[08:20] <patrootredhat> hello
[08:20] <grothesk_> kde will start before X somewhen.... *g*
[08:20] <grothesk_> Bonjour patrootredhat
[08:21] <patrootredhat> salut
[08:21] <nalpha> how to share data??
[08:21] <patrootredhat> grothesk_
[08:21] <patrootredhat> je suis ou l
[08:21] <MilhousePunkRock> !fr
[08:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:22] <kameron_> lol, i was about to suggest that, MilhousePunkRock
[08:22] <patrootredhat> merci
[08:22] <patrootredhat> tank
[08:22] <kameron_> lol
[08:22] <bimberi> kameron_: install libx11-dev
[08:22] <kameron_> thank you, bimberi
[08:23] <MilhousePunkRock> I had to guess once for some eastern european language though...
[08:23] <bimberi> kameron_: not too fast, try it first ;)
[08:23] <grothesk_> It was just a greeting in french.
[08:23] <kameron_> ok
[08:24] <kameron_> grothesk_, then xe said, "je suis ou l"
[08:25] <juhakki> are you all kubuntu users?
[08:25] <grothesk_> I guess so in #kubuntu
[08:26] <juhakki> i have tried it a little but that seems to be too heavy compared to gnome
[08:26] <kameron_> i installed kubuntu, but i'm in XFCE now. :-)
[08:26] <grothesk_> I like kde better, if there is recent hardware involved.
[08:27] <grothesk_> On older hardware I go for XFCE.
[08:27] <grothesk_> <--- Does not like gnome.
[08:28] <juhakki> I have fujitsu-siemens crap..:S
[08:28] <kameron_> XFCE is just effin fast
[08:28] <juhakki> integrated intel graphics etc..
[08:29] <kameron_> thank you, bimberi, that worked, it's compiled and installed!
[08:29] <kameron_> and it works, on top of that!
[08:29] <grothesk_> I do have a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo L7300. Runs very good with kubuntu.
[08:29] <bimberi> kameron_: yay! :)
[08:30] <kameron_> it's x2vnc, which is great because i didn't feel like fooling with synergy
[08:30] <grothesk_> Christmas? In august?
[08:38] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:38] <rr72> tink i should eat a 10 oz box of nerdz before bed?
[08:39] <rr72> Fri Aug  4 01:39:33 CDT 2006
[08:43] <farid02> Hallo Friends
[08:44] <farid02> any one know how to install KDE 2.5.4 ?
[08:44] <farid02> 3.5.4
[08:44] <crimsun> that would be noted on kubuntu.org.
[08:45] <farid02> cant fint it there
[08:45] <crimsun> you can't possibly have tried at that hard.
[08:46] <crimsun> it's the top news item on http://kubuntu.org/
[08:46] <crimsun> click the link
[08:46] <farid02> you may be right..will try harder
[08:46] <crimsun> which takes you to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[08:46] <farid02> thank you crimsun
[08:46] <crimsun> np
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> I had to set my KDM theme again, besides that, everything seems to be fine with KDE 3.5.4
[08:48] <farid02> one more question..does Adept Updater not upgrade the KDE like it does all other software like Firefos and Thunderbird etc
[08:48] <MilhousePunkRock> farid02: It does, if you have the right repos in your sources.list
[08:49] <farid02> what are repos ? please advise
[08:49] <MilhousePunkRock> !repos
[08:49] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:49] <serge> I must be dreaming
[08:49] <grothesk_> farid02: Please have a look at www.kubuntu.org
[08:49] <XVampireX> ouch
[08:49] <XVampireX> Ok
[08:49] <rr72> whats wrong?
[08:49] <farid02> ok ok I am going there now
[08:50] <XVampireX> I don't know what happened but I'm using kubuntu now, and it's FAST
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> farid02: The announcement for 3.5.4 tells you the right sources to add...
[08:50] <unix_infidel> XVampireX: wait till you use a more minimalist WM
[08:50] <MilhousePunkRock> unix_infidel: That brings me back to: Does anyone use e17 with Kubuntu?
[08:51] <XVampireX> unix_infidel: It's not my first time on linux, I just installed kubuntu back (I used to use kubuntu, but went to gnome)
[08:51] <MilhousePunkRock> XVampireX: What version of KDE do you have? If you had 3.5.2 before and are on .3 now, there is a noticeable difference in speed
[08:52] <MilhousePunkRock> 3.5.4 is out for Kubuntu now, by the way, XVampireX
[08:52] <rr72> i use 341 :(
[08:52] <MilhousePunkRock> wb unix_infidel
[08:52] <XVampireX> MilhousePunkRock: I think I used to use .3
[08:52] <XVampireX> Not sure though
[08:52] <intelikey> 342 is current in the repos  i think
[08:53] <MilhousePunkRock> 3.5.2, intelikey
[08:53] <intelikey> !info kde
[08:53] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In repository universe, is optional. Version 5:45ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[08:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Morning emonkey-p
[08:54] <emonkey-p> MilhousePunkRock, moin
[08:54] <intelikey> hmm ?    oh yeah 352  what did i say ?
[08:55] <intelikey> heh typo
[08:55] <MilhousePunkRock> I am expecting the arrival of my additional RAM today, I guess I will have to resize my swap partition?
[08:55] <pwnny> http://z6.invisionfree.com/Best_Damn_Sports/index.php?act=idx
[08:55] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock why ?     to you susspend to disk ?
[08:57] <intelikey> the installer on the live cd  demanded that i make a swap partition.   so i did.   then as soon as the install was over i converted it to $HOME
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: I would if it worked, but with my video chip, the .15 kernel and Xorg, it's a no-go
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> So is swap a big marketing lie? ;-)
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> I remember using WinXP without a pagefile, it was awfully slow, even with 1 GB of physical RAM...
[08:58] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock i have ran ubuntu hoary on 64m ram and no swap    used gnome   and kde in that env   you tell me...
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> I don
[08:58] <MilhousePunkRock> lol...
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Stupid enter key
[08:59] <intelikey> yeah it's to close to  '
[08:59] <waggle7622frack> Sorry to butt in, how do you resize swap when running from live Kubuntu with qtparted? Its using the swap partition.
[08:59] <MilhousePunkRock> I don't care much about that 768 MB (or 1 GB if I resize it) of HDD space missing if I use swap
[09:00] <intelikey> waggle7622frack you   sudo swapoff -a    then do the work.
[09:00] <waggle7622frack> thank you!
[09:00] <MilhousePunkRock> waggle7622frack: AFAIK not if you don't explicitely tell Kubuntu to use it, or not?
[09:01] <waggle7622frack> It found it on its own and added it to fstab
[09:01] <intelikey> yeah it's screwy that way.
[09:01] <intelikey> the coders thought that was a good idea.
[09:02] <juhakki> why it took so long kubuntu to find cd-rom..
[09:02] <waggle7622frack> It's not a bad idea at all for most users that don't even know what swap is.
[09:03] <intelikey> cause it checked for granet tablets, tape drives, mfm hard drives, and anything else you could think of.
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> waggle7622frack: I guess people who don't know what swap is won't have a swap partition when they run the live CD, don't you think?
[09:04] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock if then have used the livecd to install *buntu they will cause the installer will have created a huge swap partition and they don't even know it.
[09:04] <intelikey> then/they/
[09:05] <intelikey> the n and the y are so close togather
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> What kind of keyboard do you use? n and y are either on the same row but not exactly close, or in different rows with one between them, intelikey
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Take off your boxing gloves when typing... :-P
[09:06] <intelikey> qwerty
[09:06] <intelikey> :)
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> So the n is 2 rows below the y isnt it?
[09:07] <intelikey> well yes.... but you use the same fingure to press them both...      like duh.
[09:07] <sotired> my resolution on my laptop is stuck at 640 by 480 on  a fresh install
[09:07] <sotired> i have an ati m4 agp
[09:07] <sotired> 32mb
[09:07] <intelikey> !ati
[09:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:08] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    <--- do that to reconfigure X
[09:09] <sotired> i tried that
[09:09] <intelikey> set the v-reftesh and h-sync correctly any you get more rez.
[09:09] <sotired> when it tries to detect the monitor my screen goes white
[09:09] <intelikey> so don't let it autodetect the monitor.
[09:09] <intelikey> there is an option.
[09:11] <Ace2007> hi
[09:11] <intelikey> wow  that line was bad.    'set the v-refresh and h-sync correctly and you get more rez.'    and if you don't typo like i do you don't have to redo as much.
[09:12] <Ace2007> can someone help me compile vlc swith qt, it can't find the headers which are in /usr/include/qt3/
[09:12] <sotired> shit
[09:12] <sotired> i dont know what to put for my monitor specs...its a laptop
[09:12] <MilhousePunkRock> !language
[09:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:12] <sotired> im sorry
[09:13] <intelikey> sotired http://monitorworld.com   and search.
[09:13] <sotired> thnx
[09:14] <intelikey> laptop...   not sure monitorworld does that... google or your hardware makers site....
[09:14] <sotired> it doesnt help because i dont know anything about the screen except that dell makes it
[09:14] <sotired> ive done that
[09:15] <sotired> dell doesnt acknowled the inspiron 8000 anymore
[09:15] <intelikey> sotired i don't know much about lappys.  maybe someone with a dell inspiron  could answer you.
[09:16] <intelikey> sotired you can ask in #ubuntu   xorg is not kubuntu specific,  and more users in there.
[09:17] <sotired> i fried my install :)
[09:17] <sotired> its ok...im going to sleep and ill worry about it tomorrow
[09:18] <sotired> thnx anyway
[09:18] <intelikey> yeah come back any time and i'll tell you the same thing     :)
[09:20] <waggle7622frack> What is the most space needed for a root partition?
[09:20] <intelikey> if you only have one partition it takes about 1.8g for the devault install
[09:20] <intelikey> default
[09:21] <intelikey> i assume you mean least size ?
[09:21] <waggle7622frack> no, most
[09:21] <intelikey> 5 billion tera
[09:22] <waggle7622frack> want enough for install and some apps
[09:22] <waggle7622frack> rest of space for home
[09:23] <intelikey> waggle7622frack how much room you got to play with?
[09:23] <waggle7622frack> and should home be primary or extended partition
[09:23] <intelikey> makes no diff
[09:23] <waggle7622frack> 20 gig 512 for swap
[09:24] <intelikey> 4g root  maybe a few g for /var if you like.  the rest /home
[09:24] <imbrandon> i would do about 7 / and the rest /home
[09:24] <intelikey> and you would never be over 50% full on /  either.
[09:25] <waggle7622frack> what is var for again? I havnt messed with it before.
[09:25] <imbrandon> intelikey: depends i have alot of stuff in / ;)
[09:25] <imbrandon> intelikey: sides some wiggle room is nice
[09:26] <intelikey> waggle7622frack the cache dirs    it houses data for apache   and the packages before unpacking are in /var
[09:26] <waggle7622frack> cool thanks, thats what I need.
[09:28] <intelikey> imbrandon sudo du -schx /*
[09:29] <imbrandon> intelikey: what for i know exactly what i have installed ;)
[09:29] <imbrandon> intelikey: alot of mine is diffrent chroots etc
[09:30] <imbrandon> intelikey: but then again i have a 100gb / 100gb /home and a few other parts like 50gb /var etc
[09:30] <imbrandon> intelikey: ;)
[09:30] <unix_infidel> what a waste of space.
[09:31] <intelikey> 100g /   and only 2or3 g used
[09:31] <intelikey> yeah unix_infidel that's what i'm saying.
[09:31] <imbrandon> intelikey: no actualy i just looked about 48 gig used
[09:31] <imbrandon> 48.7
[09:32] <rr73> peace out intelikey and god bless ;)
[09:32] <intelikey> rr73 right back at ya
[09:32] <rr73> intelikey~ ever hear from him lately?
[09:32] <intelikey> not lately.
[09:33] <intelikey> a few weeks
[09:49] <eeos> hi there. I cannot find the packae which contains slmodemd. Do you know where it is?
[09:50] <intelikey> sl-modem-daemon
[09:51] <eeos> intelikey: why I cannot find it through adept????
[09:51] <intelikey> apt-cache search is your friend.
[09:51] <intelikey> !info sl-modem-daemon
[09:51] <ubotu> sl-modem-daemon: SmartLink software modem daemon. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5build1 (dapper), package size 496 kB, installed size 1136 kB (Only available for i386)
[09:51] <intelikey> multiverse ^
[09:51] <intelikey> !repos
[09:51] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:51] <eeos> intelikey: yes I know! but why I cannot see it in multiverse????
[09:52] <eeos> intelikey: could it be that the package is not available for amd 64?
[09:52] <intelikey> beets me.  it's there.
[09:52] <intelikey> yep could be.
[09:53] <eeos> intelikey: I should be able to find and install the package, because I have the lib32 installed.
[09:54] <eeos> intelikey: do you know how to set up a chroot space?
[09:55] <intelikey> eeos i have done it.  but probably not correctly.
[09:55] <intelikey> there are wiki's on that.
[09:55] <intelikey> !chroot
[09:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about chroot - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:55] <eeos> intelikey: I saw it. frankly, I am scared.
[09:56] <intelikey> the bot may not know, but i have read about...
[09:56] <kraut> moin
[09:56] <eeos> intelikey: they always install debian in the chroot, I want to install 32 bit ubuntu
[09:56] <aliasfred> eeos you can install qemu and run inside it
[09:57] <aliasfred> full safe :)
[09:57] <aliasfred> !qemu
[09:57] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[09:57] <intelikey> what's the worst that can happen.  1 someone breaks out of your chrooted jail   2 process hanges in chroot space...    pfft
[09:57] <aliasfred> you can install any os in it
[09:58] <eeos> never heard of qemu
[09:58] <eeos> wait I read
[09:58] <sF|Xemanth> is there "quick launch" style box for kde? like small program launch buttons like in winblows
[09:58] <aliasfred> sF|Xemanth: alt-f2 or katapult via alt-space
[09:59] <eeos> aliasfred: have you ever used it?
[09:59] <sF|Xemanth> hoho... i found quick launch applet :D
[09:59] <ilia> hi. If I dist-upgrade to KDE 3.5.4 it wants to keep back almost all of my packages.
[09:59] <eeos> aliasfred: qemu?
[09:59] <aliasfred> eeos: yep, running wino xp under it
[09:59] <eeos> aliasfred: is it easy to setup?
[09:59] <intelikey> sF|Xemanth i like a command line in the task bar
[09:59] <imbrandon> !debootstrap
[09:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about debootstrap - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:00] <aliasfred> eeos: very. like 2 package to install and then install the os via usual cd
[10:00] <imbrandon> eeos: look on the wiki for debootstrap its EXACTLY what your wanting
[10:00] <sF|Xemanth> me too, but its nice to have box next to K button which has all my programs which i use mostly
[10:00] <eeos> debootstrap only installs debian
[10:00] <imbrandon> to run 32 bit ubnutu in 64 bit kernel
[10:00] <imbrandon> eeos: no
[10:00] <imbrandon> eeos: it will install dapper too ( and many others
[10:00] <imbrandon> )
[10:01] <eeos> ah! I read a bit about it but did not understand you could install ubuntu using it?
[10:01] <imbrandon> yes
[10:01] <eeos> can I install debootstrap without installing chroot / qemu or alternatives before?
[10:02] <intelikey> can install anything that will run on your hardware using qemu ?
[10:02] <imbrandon> debootstrap is a chroot helper, one sec lemme get the link for you
[10:02] <sF|Xemanth> now its  perfect <3
[10:02] <eeos> just installed qemu, now I need to read a bit a bout it.
[10:03] <aliasfred> intelikey: well the point of qemu is more to be independant of you hardware. but yes it run quite a lot of things
[10:03] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[10:03] <eeos> blimey, I read about deboot strap, but did NOT understand it was chroot helper.
[10:03] <imbrandon> eeos: ^^
[10:03] <aliasfred> eeos: btw here im just presenting the alternative, not saying it is the best solution for you. anyway i dont even know what are you trying to do :)
[10:04] <imbrandon> eeos: read that link it will tell you exactly how to run 32bit apps in a 32bit chroot on 64bit dapper
[10:04] <eeos> getting more and more stupid with the passing time
[10:04] <eeos> I am trying to run some drivers and packages that are not packaged for amd 64
[10:05] <imbrandon> eeos: thats what that was designed for then
[10:05] <aliasfred> eeos: and still keeping the rest as 64bit ?
[10:05] <w00t> hi
[10:05] <eeos> yes, still keeping the rest as 64 bit
[10:05] <aliasfred> eeos: if so, qemu wont help you much :)
[10:06] <imbrandon> eeos: read that link it will tell you exactly how to run 32bit apps in a 32bit chroot on 64bit dapper
[10:06] <eeos> I am doing some experiments with 64
[10:06] <aliasfred> but it is a very cool software, read about it anyway :)
[10:06] <aliasfred> you can even boot livecd from it without rebooting your box
[10:06] <eeos> wow
[10:06] <sF|Xemanth> hmm is there better systray applet? now applications take too much space in systray (one app vertically, I would like to have two)
[10:07] <imbrandon> aliasfred: mostly becosue qemu is slow ;)
[10:07] <eeos> anyway, I will read about debootstrap first
[10:07] <aliasfred> i would like to have some menu in konqueror for .iso which says 'boot with qemu'
[10:07] <intelikey> aliasfred a 64 to 32 bit app solution was the origenal quest.   a chrooted env or opening a second system to run 32bit apps,     which would you think better/easier/safer ?    (i don't have a k8 btw)
[10:07] <eeos> do you think using chrott + debootstrap will solve my problem
[10:07] <imbrandon> eeos: yes
[10:07] <intelikey> aliasfred script it.
[10:07] <aliasfred> imbrandon: clearly slower than native, but with kemu it is like only 50% slower. so perfectly usable and add many flexibility
[10:08] <imbrandon> aliasfred: vmware == native speeds
[10:08] <eeos> thanks! Talk to you later (need to experiment / read documentation)
[10:08] <aliasfred> vmware == non free and their web site is so full of buzzword that i never succeed to use it :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> aliasfred: in that sense kqemu isnt free either ( closed source )
[10:09] <imbrandon> vmware is free as in beer just as kqemu
[10:09] <aliasfred> imbrandon: indeed but i suceed to install it :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:09] <imbrandon> aliasfred: sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[10:09] <w00t> does any one know how to make my own spash screen?
[10:10] <imbrandon> w00t: kde-look.org
[10:10] <w00t> splash screen
[10:10] <intelikey> vmware is free ?    where?
[10:10] <imbrandon> intelikey: from vmware.com and in the repo, player and server are both free
[10:10] <imbrandon> as i said
[10:10] <imbrandon> aliasfred: sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[10:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:10] <sF|Xemanth> oh yeah 3.5.3 available for dapper <3 <3 problems are fixed now ?
[10:10] <aliasfred> what is the 'server' ?
[10:10] <sF|Xemanth> 3.5.4*
[10:11] <imbrandon> sF|Xemanth: yes
[10:11] <imbrandon> aliasfred: it lets you run more than one at a time and create vm's not just run them
[10:11] <imbrandon> and connect to console remotely etc
[10:12] <aliasfred> i must be dumb or something, but isnt that the point of vmware to run more than one at a time ?
[10:12] <imbrandon> hrm i have to run , but goto vmware.com click on free virtualazation to read more, but the software is in the repos
[10:12] <imbrandon> aliasfred: more than one from the same console
[10:12] <aliasfred> ok anyway, the vmware package got some gui i could understand ?
[10:12] <imbrandon> better memory mgmt
[10:12] <imbrandon> aliasfred: yes
[10:12] <imbrandon> aliasfred: very simple
[10:12] <aliasfred> imbrandon: i mean as i cant understand their website
[10:12] <aliasfred> ok nice :) i will retry then
[10:13] <imbrandon> bbiab
[10:14] <intelikey> !info vmware-player
[10:14] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.1-4 (dapper), package size 11563 kB, installed size 31248 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[10:14] <intelikey> only for i386 ?    does that exclude i686 ?
[10:15] <intelikey> or was that a generic i*86   but using the 3  ?
[10:15] <imbrandon_> intelikey: 686 is a sub arch of i386 , its not really its own arch
[10:15] <imbrandon_> so in other words yes
[10:17] <imbrandon_> yea any and all 686 stuff works with 386
[10:17] <intelikey> this or that     answer    yes    hehhe
[10:17] <imbrandon_> and vice versa
[10:17] <imbrandon_> 686 and 386 etc are all x86 , just sub arches
[10:17] <imbrandon_> i386 is the common denominator and used
[10:17] <imbrandon_> more often
[10:18] <intelikey> so why doesn't smp work in 386 ?     (ignore that, i'm just pestering you now.)
[10:18] <imbrandon_> sure it does
[10:19] <w00t> ....
[10:20] <imbrandon_> intelikey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/base/linux-686-smp  <-- read that page , particularly the ARCH at the bottom
[10:21] <imbrandon_> you'll notice it says i386 ;)
[10:22] <ninHer> hi all
[10:23] <intelikey> hey .   if you've got answers, i have a real issue.    my mouse only works with either gpm or xorg  but not both    what might cause this ?
[10:23] <imbrandon_> gpm ?
[10:23] <imbrandon_> brb one sec
[10:24] <intelikey> gpm = general purpose mouse   mouse support for the consoel.
[10:26] <imbrandon_> ahh no idea, never had a need for the mouse on console, thus never used gpm
[10:26] <dek> how do I get my mouse's secondary buttons to work?
[10:26] <imbrandon_> but i would assume both want exclusive access to /dev/mouse or /dev/TTYS0
[10:26] <intelikey> or /dev/psaux
[10:27] <imbrandon_> dek: as in ? right button ?
[10:27] <imbrandon_> intelikey: right , same thing
[10:27] <dek> buttons at the left and right, I usually use them for "Back" and "Forward" in browser
[10:27] <dek> but here they don't seem to work
[10:27] <imbrandon_> dek: ahh you will need to confure the driver in xorg for that particular mouse IF there is linux support for it
[10:28] <imbrandon_> my sugestion is google to start off
[10:28] <dek> ok =)
[10:28] <imbrandon_> what mouse is it ? just curious ?
[10:28] <dek> 5 button mouse
[10:28] <dek> Omega
[10:28] <dek> optic :P
[10:29] <imbrandon_> i know that, brand, model ? like my 5 button mouse is a hp wireless spomethgin or another
[10:29] <dek> dont remember model, i have had it for quite many years now
[10:29] <imbrandon_> omega? heh yea you need to google
[10:29] <jordan_> I have KDE and XFCe can i install xgl only for XFCE ?
[10:29] <dek> xD
[10:29] <imbrandon_> jordan_: no xgl is an X server
[10:29] <imbrandon_> dosent matter what DE you use
[10:30] <imbrandon_> now you can just configure the composite manager for xfce, thats probbably what your wanting
[10:30] <imbrandon_> IE compiz
[10:30] <intelikey> !xgl
[10:30] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:32] <jordan_> imbrandon_ so what's deieference between xgl on XFCE or KDE
[10:33] <imbrandon_> nothing, XGL is the X server, the DE dosent care what X server you use
[10:33] <imbrandon_> you probably talking about the the "pretty" effects IE the composite manager compiz
[10:34] <imbrandon_> thats like asking what the diffrence between xorg and xfree86 ;)
[10:34] <intelikey> or sh and bash
[10:34] <imbrandon_> yea heh
[10:35] <intelikey> there is a differance in both of the examples tho
[10:35] <imbrandon_> intelikey: yea but not where KDE / XFCE is concerned
[10:35] <imbrandon_> ;)
[10:35] <jordan_> imbrandon_ so i can chose xgl, XFCe or KDE on start ?
[10:36] <intelikey> xorg is a fork of XF86   and while sh is a symlink to bash on many systems bash when invoked as sh acts differently.
[10:36] <imbrandon_> jordan_: no , ok let me explain it real simple , real quick
[10:36] <jordan_> imbrandon_ oki
[10:37] <imbrandon_> right at this moment you have xorg installed, called an X server ( this is going to be a 10 min crash corse , simplified so dont scrutnize me intelikey )
[10:37] <imbrandon_> ok then ....
[10:37] <imbrandon_> KDE and XFCE invoke this X server to display their windows
[10:37] <intelikey> that's what you think................
[10:37] <intelikey> >:]
[10:37] <imbrandon_> if you insalll xgl , KDE and XFCE will both still invoke the xserver
[10:37] <imbrandon_> just the same
[10:38] <imbrandon_> infact you will notice 0 diffrence most likely
[10:38] <imbrandon_> but
[10:38] <jordan_> but....
[10:38] <berkes> what is the most forcefull kill signal (or command)? I have these runaway priceses that won't kill with a normal kilall or kill $pid
[10:38] <imbrandon_> the good part comes when you install and configure
[10:38] <imbrandon_> compiz the compisate manager
[10:38] <jordan_> compiz it's nice
[10:38] <imbrandon_> now you can JUST install that for xfce and get the "pretty" effect for xfce and not KDE
[10:38] <intelikey> berkes kill -9 -1   or   killall5
[10:38] <imbrandon_> but xgl is just an X server like many others
[10:39] <berkes> thanks intelikey
[10:39] <intelikey> berkes expect to be looking at a console login
[10:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: ahah, you have even your kubuntu.org personal page :)
[10:39] <imbrandon_> it just happens that compiz only works with XGL x server
[10:39] <jordan_> imbrandon_ ok so if i want have compiz a I need install XGLand then compiz ?
[10:40] <imbrandon_> jordan_: correct
[10:40] <MilhousePunkRock> There is a composite manager for Xorg too though...
[10:40] <jordan_> and compiz been only on XFCE
[10:40] <imbrandon_> MilhousePunkRock: yea i'm doing the simplified version here
[10:40] <imbrandon_> so as not to confuse him
[10:41] <berkes> intelikey: weird, even kill -9 dues not stop the proc
[10:41] <imbrandon_> jordan_: there are compiz versions for xfce kde gnome etc but you can choose to install it only for some or all
[10:41] <MilhousePunkRock> wb abattoir
[10:41] <jordan_> imbrandon_ have you ever install compiz ?
[10:42] <intelikey> and in short (just to recap)  XGL and compiz  are windomanager/desktop environment intependant.   so they work with 'nome/kde/xfce/twm/fluxbox/...
[10:42] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: thank you :)
[10:42] <intelikey> berkes not kill -9     kill -9 -1
[10:42] <imbrandon_> jordan_: a few times yes testing packages
[10:42] <imbrandon_> i dont use it day to day
[10:43] <berkes> intelikey: sure, but that kills all stuff, like a reboot almost, not?
[10:43] <jordan_> imbrandon_ i can safty remove compiz and xgl ?
[10:43] <intelikey> yes   you ask for the most powerfull
[10:43] <imbrandon_> jordan_: sure as long as you replace it back with normal xorg ;)
[10:43] <berkes> intelikey: the most powerfull to kill *a process*
[10:44] <dek> !nvidia
[10:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:44] <berkes> intelikey: the Really Most Powerfull is UNPLUG
[10:44] <intelikey> if you didn't want the most powerful, then why did you specify that?
[10:44] <berkes> as in: pull the power plug :)
[10:44] <jordan_> xorg are beter then xgl ?
[10:44] <intelikey> from a software standpoint  it's kill -9 -1
[10:45] <jordan_> !xgl
[10:45] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:45] <aliasfred> berkes: kill -9 is the most powerfull at this, if the process doesnt die, it is blocked in a IO/waiting for another process aka it is not using any cpu
[10:46] <berkes> aliasfred: okay. i'll try to find aht is blocking it, then
[10:46] <aliasfred> berkes: pstree can help you at that
[10:46] <aliasfred> berkes: if it is waiting on another process, it is on a child process
[10:46] <berkes> aliasfred: ye but it tells me nnothing usefull. I am investigating lsof now
[10:47] <aliasfred> berkes: if it is the case im talking about the waiting process is in 'defunct' state
[10:47] <eeos> imbrandon: I am back! I have set up chroot as you suggested
[10:47] <aliasfred> it should appears in ps/top/etc...
[10:47] <imbrandon_> eeos: gj
[10:47] <eeos> imbrandon: one strange thing is that if I chroot in /var/chroot, and then I issue the command uname -ra
[10:48] <berkes> aliasfred: it is indeed in defunc state
[10:48] <eeos>  imbrandon: it still tells me the kernel is amd 64. is that right?
[10:48] <imbrandon_> eeos: thats the running kern, dosent matter to the choot
[10:48] <imbrandon_> yup thats right, no biggie
[10:48] <imbrandon_> still 32bit userland
[10:48] <aliasfred> berkes so there is a child process which is not yet dead
[10:48] <aliasfred> berkes: look at the PPID = parent processus id
[10:48] <berkes> aliasfred: four in fact
[10:49] <imbrandon_> eeos: did you see the examples how to run software from it and all? good job
[10:49] <eeos> imbrandon: ok. the other strange thing, when I start the chroot, then I get 2 errors: cnannot find name for group 1000 (admin), cannot find name for gourp 101 (eeos)
[10:49] <eeos> imbrandon: is that normal?
[10:49] <intelikey> killall5
[10:49] <intelikey> kill
[10:49] <intelikey> kill kill kill
[10:49] <intelikey> oh sorry.
[10:50] <imbrandon_> eeos: not really but also not a biggie, re go through the tut and make sure you dident skip something
[10:50] <intelikey> berkes what is it that's defunct ?
[10:50] <berkes> intelikey: yea, but I'd like my apt-get update to finish first :p
[10:50] <berkes> intelikey: amarok. I'm in #amarok too btw
[10:50] <intelikey> ah it resumes.
[10:51] <intelikey> k i was just wondering.
[10:51] <eeos> ibrandon: yes, I have already done it, I do not understand what is happening, it is like the new system is missing these 2 users
[10:51] <eeos> imbrandon: :-(
[10:51] <intelikey> but apt will resume.    you issue the same command and it will pick up where it left off
[10:51] <imbrandon_> and it probbly is, there is a section on how to create thsoe in the tut
[10:51] <intelikey> i do like that about apt.
[10:51] <imbrandon_> thats why i said go bac
[10:53] <intelikey> typos.... is the crash course over,  can i play now ?
[10:53] <intelikey> >:]
[10:53] <imbrandon_> lol
[10:55] <pkrumins> Strange, I received free kubuntu CDs but the computer won't boot them. Boots other CDs but not kubuntu cds
[10:55] <burepe> What is the command that will tell me my computer specs?
[10:56] <imbrandon_> cat /proc/cpuinfo , depends there are diffrent ones
[10:56] <imbrandon_> thats for cpu obvious
[10:56] <imbrandon_> ly
[10:57] <intelikey> i had an issue with some of the deb packages using #!/bin/bash  rather than #!/bin/sh  in their pre/post* scripts   beleive it or not that can break things.   the env for sh is posix but the env for bash is user land joy  and can pull in unexpected command transiants
[10:57] <imbrandon_> pkrumins: try to pass the "other option" ( f6 key on boot kubuntu screen ) acpi=off
[10:57] <imbrandon_> intelikey: file bugs
[10:58] <intelikey> i'd have to register with *buntu for that....
[10:58] <pkrumins> imbrandon, it doesnt boot at all
[10:58] <intelikey> it's bad enough that i use it.  don't ask me to register also.
[10:59] <pkrumins> says no bootable device found
[10:59] <pkrumins> one of my pcs crashed so i decided to take look at both kubuntu and at the hdd which failed
[10:59] <pkrumins> but kubuntu just didnt boot
[10:59] <pkrumins> so i booted simply ubuntu
[10:59] <pkrumins> which did boot
[11:00] <imbrandon_> pkrumins: bad cd then as they both use the EXACT same boot loader
[11:00] <Kabal> Riddell: Is it safe to upgrade to 3.5.4 now?
[11:00] <pkrumins> i received 5 kubuntu cds and 3 of them didnt boot
[11:00] <imbrandon_> Kabal: yes
[11:00] <Kabal> thanx imbrandon :)
[11:00] <pkrumins> didnt try the other 2 since they probably wouldnt boot either
[11:01] <pkrumins> maybe i got an older drive or smth and you are using some features which the drive doesnt understand or smth
[11:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody can tell me how to activate the oxygen layout?
[11:01] <pkrumins> i have no idea
[11:01] <pkrumins> just wanted to let you know
[11:01] <imbrandon_> pkrumins: not likely if the ubuntu cd's booted as i said they boot loader is EXACTLY the same down to the vyte
[11:01] <pkrumins> if it doesnt work for me, might not work for someone else
[11:01] <imbrandon_> byte*
[11:01] <pkrumins> hmm.
[11:01] <pkrumins> then there is something wrong with the cds i guess
[11:02] <intelikey> pkrumins are you saying dapper cd's for kubuntu wont boot but dapper cd's of ubuntu will, on the same box?
[11:02] <imbrandon_> intelikey: yes
[11:03] <pkrumins> let's see
[11:03] <pkrumins> i have kubuntu Version 6.06 LTS which doesnt boot
[11:03] <pkrumins> and ubuntu version 5.04 which does boot
[11:03] <jordan_> !xfce
[11:03] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:04] <pkrumins> i am not expert in various ubuntus since i use slackware so i dont know about drapper version
[11:04] <imbrandon_> pkrumins: thats two diffrent versions
[11:04] <XVampireX> hi
[11:04] <intelikey> pkrumins yeah.   ok  that's what i was asking.    the hoary cd's were better imo.
[11:04] <XVampireX> I got kubuntu through ubuntu