[22:06] <kcj[work]> Morning.
[22:07] <olly> morning
[22:47] <ajmitch_> morning
[23:09] <fmarier> ajmitch_: you need a new GPG key :)
[23:13]  * olly noticed that too
[23:36] <ajmitch_> fmarier: I have a new key, the trick is getting signatures
[23:37] <fmarier> ajmitch_: are you coming to LCA?
[23:37] <ajmitch_> considering it, but the debian deadline is before then
[23:38] <ajmitch_> I know of at least 1 person who can sign my key in Dunedin
[23:49] <olly> i don't think I'll be down that way before the end of the year
[23:50] <olly> and I don't seem to have signed your current key either


[01:54] <makushimu>  /msg nickserv register t4m4d4<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:54] <gua> uhoh
[01:55] <makushimu> Hah
[01:55] <makushimu> Yeah
[01:55] <makushimu> :(
[01:55] <makushimu> Embarrassing :)
[01:56] <makushimu> I was trying to use irc from colloqui (sp?) seems it's not as flexible as, say, xchat
[01:56] <bkerensa> ;p
[01:57] <makushimu> Was a throwaway password though, so I don't mind.
[01:59] <makushimu> Live and learn :)
[02:00] <pleia2> meeting time, we'll give folks a few minutes to show up :)
[02:01] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting?
[02:03] <philipballew> 0/
[02:03]  * MarkDude likes how the wording was used on agenda items within 24 hours was used. Very common sense.
[02:03] <MarkDude> Good stuff :)
[02:03] <pleia2> yeah, sorry for not adding things in time this week
[02:04] <philipballew> I dont check it till i get the email anyway myself
[02:04] <pleia2> it's all known upcoming stuff though, so I didn't think it would be a big deal
[02:04] <MarkDude> Well the wording is perfect. last minute items with no debate, no issue,
[02:04] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:04] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11September25
[02:05] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Oneiric Release plans: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/OneiricRelease
[02:05] <MarkDude> Use of word collaborate makes it clear WHY. Better than any suggestion I could have made
[02:05] <pleia2> so far there aren't any plans for the Oneiric release
[02:05] <philipballew> sd might have a party
[02:05] <pleia2> I'm going to be out of town for the actual week of the release
[02:06] <philipballew> so so cal should have something
[02:06] <pleia2> (actually giving a presentation about it in Philly, and probably going to their release party ;))
[02:06] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck: ping
[02:06] <pleia2> philipballew: cool :)
[02:07] <pleia2> I'll drop a mail to the list reminding people it's coming up soon
[02:07] <philipballew> pleia2, about how long after do cd's come?
[02:07] <pleia2> philipballew: usually about 2 weeks
[02:07] <philipballew> right.
[02:08] <pleia2> then I ship them everywhere, which takes a day or two
[02:08] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, should have them and I can meet him at the uh or whatever
[02:08] <pleia2> so I'll send a bunch down to you or DarkwingDuck probably the day after the shipment gets in
[02:08] <pleia2> sounds good :)
[02:08] <philipballew> he's gonna go to uds. will they show up before that?
[02:09] <pleia2> yeah, I think so
[02:09] <pleia2> we'll see how timing works out and go from there
[02:09] <pleia2> any other comments about the release for now?
[02:10] <DarkwingDuck> Hi, I'm here.
[02:10] <pleia2> our next meeting is on the 9th,the release is on the 13th
[02:10] <DarkwingDuck> Got caught up in my Colts game.
[02:10] <pleia2> welcome DarkwingDuck
[02:10] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Team Leadership Elections
[02:11] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: were you going to handle this?
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, I have zero notes. I'm on mobile right now.
[02:11] <bkerensa> pleia2: :) CA could always come visit their Northern Neighbor... We should have a keg, soft drinks and gourmet pizza again (fingers crossed)
[02:11] <bkerensa> :D
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> However, I get my working laptop tomorrow so, I will be sending an email about it very very very soon.
[02:11] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: can you put out a call for nominees this week?
[02:11] <pleia2> ok, great
[02:11] <pleia2> we need to get this rolling ASAP
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> aye, It will happen BEFORE wednesday
[02:12] <pleia2> as a review, we have a team leadership document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership
[02:12]  * MarkDude nominates nhaines
[02:12] <jdeslip> Yep. It has been a fun year for me. But, I'm not going to run for reelection :)
[02:12] <pleia2> elections are yearly, and we elect three people from around the state to co-lead
[02:12] <pleia2> it's that time of year :)
[02:12] <rww> o/
[02:13] <pleia2> MarkDude: nominating people is fine, but please confirm they are willing to stand for leadership before formally submitting their name
[02:13] <MarkDude> fair enough, makes sense
[02:13] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be sending an email laying out the procedure.
[02:13] <rww> (as in hi, not as in volunteering)
[02:13] <pleia2> rww: haha
[02:13] <DarkwingDuck> rww: Almost got ya
[02:13] <jdeslip> rww: too bad
[02:13] <MarkDude> He would make a great leader, I hope others encourage him also
[02:13] <philipballew> pleia2, the job pays lots right?
[02:13] <philipballew> haha
[02:15] <pleia2> philipballew: hah
[02:16] <pleia2> thanks for working on this DarkwingDuck :)
[02:16] <pleia2> that's all we have for the agenda
[02:16] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements, etc
[02:16] <MarkDude> it pays with a warm fuzzy from the feeling of helping ;)
[02:16] <rww> That's what that is? I thought it was indigestion.
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> Libertopia is getting rough... I'm having a hard time witht he funds... Being unemployed sux
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> But, I've been talking to a couple places for sponsorship.
[02:17] <philipballew> would canonical help?
[02:18] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: maybe another note to the list asking for help?
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: I was going to.
[02:18] <pleia2> philipballew: they sent a conference pack, they don't give financial funding for booths beyond that
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: I'm not sure... I can ask.
[02:18] <pleia2> philipballew: care to share your blog post about the last SD ubuntu hour?
[02:18] <philipballew> i sent in a request to omgubuntu 4 times to give us an article but no word yet
[02:19] <philipballew> yeah. let me post it right here
[02:19] <philipballew> 1 min
[02:19] <pleia2> they did an article
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew: They did do it.
[02:19] <philipballew> hum. you got a link?
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> Its in a ping back on my blog.
[02:19] <philipballew> https://philipballew.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/ubuntu-hour-success-can-we-do-it-again/
[02:20] <pleia2> hooray san diego
[02:20] <DarkwingDuck> It was awesome. 2 brand new people off the street!
[02:20] <pleia2> :)
[02:20] <philipballew> and that guy matt signed up on the email list
[02:21] <pleia2> ok, I think we pretty much covered everything
[02:21] <pleia2> anything else before we wrap up?
[02:22] <pleia2> ok, I'll email the list reminding about the release, DarkwingDuck will email about leadership and Libertopia help
[02:22] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[02:22] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> Thank yee kindly
[02:23]  * pleia2 > dinner
[02:23] <philipballew> sees the article now, i remember seeing it
[02:26] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, what does the 400 cover?
[02:27] <philipballew> the owner of the cafe is having us pay that?
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> Booth and mass printing.
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> I think 300 was the cost of the libertopia booth.
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to call Jesse (Owner of the cafe) and see if they want to sponsor us.
[02:28] <philipballew> he's the guy putting it on right?
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> No.
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> He is just involved.
[02:29] <philipballew> hum, I made him really like me last time I was there when I told him i was a libertarian.
[02:29] <philipballew> there are companies around who use linux in sd
[02:30] <philipballew> Quallcomm is one
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yeah!
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> I'll call Kevin tomorrow
[02:31] <philipballew> kevin said they run Ubuntu at their place in their open sorurce division
[02:31] <philipballew> I need to call them. i was gonna see if i can interview a manager there who does tech stuff
[02:32] <DarkwingDuck> sweet. If kevin could full that off...
[02:32] <philipballew> i think kevin got a new number
[02:33] <philipballew> well he texted me last week from one that i didnt have
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> brb
[02:33] <philipballew> ight
[02:37]  * MarkDude is happy anytime a football game gets to 4th quarter and there is less than 7 points apart in socre
[02:37] <MarkDude> score. rww, I am talking about handegg, just to avoid confusion ;)
[02:37] <rww> people watch that?
[02:43] <gua> handegg besportevarr
[02:44] <gua> oh dang i just missed the meeting
[02:44] <gua> also dang how time flies. it's like we just did the last one
[02:45] <rww> 'sokay, we didn't talk about much
[03:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: There is no ability to add images on Ubuntu US blog?
[04:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: not at the moment, just email an image to me and I'll upload it somewhere on the server
[04:16]  * pleia2 sees note in post :)
[04:19] <pleia2> the v6 internet is broken, I can't ping your server from the ubuntu-us.org server (I can ping you from elsewhere, and I can ping other places fine)
[04:20] <rww> which server?
[04:20] <rww> ps, why doesn't ubuntu-us.org have AAAA records? it's a linode isn't it :(
[04:20] <pleia2> the quad a from benjaminkerensa.com
[04:21] <pleia2> because canonical is difficult
[04:21] <pleia2> I should nudge them again about quad as
[04:21] <rww> I think that cloudflare thing he's using is just breaking it
[04:22] <pleia2> probably
[04:22] <pleia2> I can ping it fine from my personal linode, just not the ubuntu-us linode
[04:22] <rww> i get one ping6 through and then it dies on my persona linode (which is IPv6ing)
[04:23] <pleia2> --- 2400:cb00:2048:1::adf5:3c76 ping statistics ---
[04:23] <pleia2> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9001ms
[04:23] <pleia2> ^^ from my linode
[04:23]  * pleia2 shrugs
[04:23] <pleia2> no big, I just wgetted the file I needed via v4 ;)
[04:29]  * crashsystems hugs proxmox
[04:37] <gua> if had some texmex i would so hug it
[05:06] <rww> pleia2: might have a SF person dropping by asking for an Ubuntu CD shortly, from #ubuntu
[05:06] <rww> or anyone else, I forget who's in SF here
[05:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: My ipv6 is down?
[05:07] <pleia2> rww: we're out of pressed CDs (end of cycle and all)
[05:07] <bkerensa> rww: Mmm I cant talk about Cloudflare or IPv6
[05:07] <bkerensa> ;)
[05:07] <rww> pleia2: burned should be fine
[05:07] <bkerensa> for certain reasons
[05:07] <bkerensa> :P
[05:08] <bkerensa> Call it a unwritten NDA ;)
[05:08] <pleia2> there should be some CDs at noisebridge
[05:08] <pleia2> I'm not having an SF ubuntu hour in october (I'll be traveling too much)
[05:08] <rww> they're being distracted in #ubuntu anyway by the look of it. oh well.
[05:09] <pleia2> :
[05:09] <pleia2> :)
[05:10] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://ipv6-test.com/validate.php <--- says my site is accepting ipv6 traffic across the board
[05:10] <bkerensa> :D
[05:12] <grendal-prime> oi
[05:12] <grendal-prime> rww sent me
[05:12] <jroysdon> grendal-prime, what do you need?
[05:13] <grendal-prime> i have a brother...(not figuriative..actual genetic brother....)  I need to get him a ubuntu disk
[05:13] <grendal-prime> he is in san francisco
[05:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: see above, it's accepting from some locations and not others, very odd behavior
[05:13] <jroysdon> Got a postal address?  I can drop one in the mail to him tomorrow.  He'll get it by Wednesday (I'm 90 minutes east of SF)
[05:13] <pleia2> ubuntu-us.org couldn't get to it
[05:13] <jroysdon> Although I think there is a local place in SF he could easy get it from
[05:14] <grendal-prime> wow
[05:14] <grendal-prime> this is amazing..
[05:14] <grendal-prime> ok..ummm i have his address...hold on ill call him
[05:14] <pleia2> if you're not comfortable giving out a postal address, I live in SF and could probably meet up somewhere to give him one
[05:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah.... I cannot say why (even though I know why) due to a promise not to talk about something :P
[05:14] <pleia2> ah, there you go
[05:14] <jroysdon> Yeah, pleia2 can prawlly get it there faster than me, but I'm fine as a backup
[05:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: doesn't bother me, I was just letting you know :)
[05:15] <grendal-prime> pleia2,  the only thing that would be more amazing was if you were a smoking hot female.
[05:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: Which Linode DC is US in?
[05:15] <bkerensa> WOW
[05:15] <grendal-prime> but im not going to go there
[05:15] <bkerensa> =o
[05:15]  * pleia2 sighs
[05:15] <pleia2> not smoking hot, sorry
[05:15] <grendal-prime> hmmm...are you sure?
[05:15] <grendal-prime> are you just being modest?
[05:16] <jroysdon> hah, if you are female, you are hot to 99% of the guys here ;-p
[05:16] <pleia2> please don't go further down this path
[05:16] <rww> moving on...
[05:16] <jroysdon> Ok, moving on
[05:16] <grendal-prime> ok folkes...thank you for dealing with my banter
[05:16] <jroysdon> So, library or some public place for him to meet up could probably get him a CD in a day or two from pleia2, or if you want to get me a postal address I'll send it from work tomorrow AM and it'll be there by Wed.
[05:17] <grendal-prime> seriously though he has been deling with a virus for over a week..can kill it..i told him.."look just install this..i will fix it all from remote...just do it" ...but the install he gets (through public wifi) is questionable and does not work.
[05:18] <grendal-prime> so if i can get  a verified disk to him at least i know that part is sain
[05:19] <grendal-prime> and i got to tell you ...if someone can physically drop him off a disk...and say..."this is with love from your brother" dude...hhaahah that would be great..
[05:19] <grendal-prime> and a major score for our cause.
[05:20] <grendal-prime> and ...i would say... i would return the favor to anyone who helps out for my region.
[05:21] <grendal-prime> hello?
[05:21] <pleia2> grendal-prime: you're welcome to put me in touch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I live in the financial district
[05:21] <jroysdon> Just snagging some dinner
[05:22] <jroysdon> I can't drive there, work and all, but gladly postal mail it.  Here's my postal info just to prove I'm not a freak or anything: http://roysdon.net/
[05:22] <grendal-prime> pleia2,  right on man ill get his address... brb
[05:22] <pleia2> still not a man :)
[05:23] <gua> right on unit of humankind*
[05:23] <pleia2> hehe
[05:23] <grendal-prime> ok...thats ok...and..brobably a plus...i may have wine ..waiting for you
[05:23] <gua> it is *so* cookies and milk time
[05:23] <gua> brb
[05:23] <jroysdon> lol, no junk food for me. Bad influence
[05:27] <gua> welll. they're 'digestives'. some britishy thing my mom saw at a store and wanted me to try. so they're at least marketed to be healthier than cookies.
[05:27] <gua> anyway they taste good :D
[05:28] <jroysdon> haha, yeah, uh huh.  Chocolate is good for my digestion too ;-)
[05:28] <gua> yess :)
[05:28] <rww> digestives <3
[05:28] <pleia2> gua: I had those for the first time when I was staying in dublin, they're yummy :)
[05:29] <pleia2> found them here in SF at a british grocery
[05:29] <rww> they make them with chocolate on one side, it is amazing
[05:29] <rww> i could eat them forever
[05:29] <pleia2> hehe
[05:29] <gua> yeah i'm having ones like that
[05:30] <rww> (I'm English, I could probably continue on this topic for a good hour)
[05:31] <bkerensa> Have any of you ever had Oregon Chai?
[05:31]  * bkerensa is addicted to the stuff
[05:32] <jroysdon> Unless you are going to drive some of those cookies to each of us right now and share, it's not very nice ;-p
[05:32]  * philipballew is hungry now...
[05:32] <philipballew> bkerensa, you like dutch bros?
[05:33] <bkerensa> Mmm yes
[05:33] <bkerensa> not for coffee
[05:33] <bkerensa> I like their smoothies :D
[05:33]  * bkerensa rarely drinks coffee
[05:33] <philipballew> I like them to. theu have them in nor cal where I am from
[05:34] <philipballew> bkerensa, its  more a dessert place imo
[05:34] <bkerensa> Nor Cal?
[05:34] <bkerensa> :D
[05:35]  * bkerensa is from Nor Cal :P
[05:35] <bkerensa> Born in Sac... Went to HS in Del Norte County... Lived in SF, Mendo all over really :)
[05:35] <philipballew> ever herd of Auburn?
[05:35] <philipballew> haha
[05:36] <philipballew> its by roseville
[05:36] <bkerensa> Yeah
[05:37]  * philipballew actually has something slightly in common with someone here!
[05:37]  * bkerensa has been to nearly every area in California except San Diego
[05:37] <bkerensa> :P
[05:37] <philipballew> There is a cloor waiting for you if your ever here
[05:37] <bkerensa> Roseville Toyota commercials still plague my mind :P
[05:37] <philipballew> *floor
[05:37] <philipballew> yeah, my friend works there...
[05:38] <philipballew> the roseville auto mall
[05:38] <jroysdon> heh, glad to not watch regular TV and have to deal with commercials anymore, but I remember the Sacramento car commercials
[05:38] <bkerensa> Next time I go to CA I will likely hit up SF.... They have amazing Mexican food and Vietnamese Sandwiches
[05:38] <bkerensa> :P
[05:38] <bkerensa> Maybe also spend a week on the river near Redwoods National Park :D
[05:39] <philipballew> I only watch hulu lately
[05:40] <philipballew> it seems noce
[05:40] <philipballew> *nice
[05:42] <philipballew> bkerensa, If I go to OR. where's good places to go
[05:42] <bkerensa> Hmm depends what you like?
[05:43] <bkerensa> If you like nature then I suggest checking out the Oregon Caves or Multnomah Falls
[05:43] <philipballew> im more into people of stuff the nature
[05:43] <bkerensa> Also Crater Lake
[05:43] <bkerensa> Well Euegene has a pretty hipster scene and so does Portland although I rarely go out unless I have to :P
[05:43] <philipballew> I went to a giant waterfall ontsede portland once
[05:44] <philipballew> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg
[05:45] <philipballew> not sure what its called, but it was nice
[05:47] <philipballew> someone called me a hipster last week
[05:51] <bkerensa> lol
[05:51] <bkerensa> Portlandia
[05:52] <bkerensa> :P that show gives Portland a bad name kinda idk
[05:52] <bkerensa> "{
[05:52] <bkerensa> Portland is like a Mash of SF/Berkeley and a dash of LA
[05:52] <bkerensa> with bad politics to bootj
[05:52] <bkerensa> :P
[05:53] <philipballew> its a pretty liberal area
[05:53] <philipballew> in comparison with the country
[05:54] <bkerensa> Well as someone who lived in SF and other liberal places I think Portland often is confused as to what it is
[05:54] <bkerensa> On some issues they are super liberal and others not so much
[05:54] <bkerensa> :P
[05:55] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nMnr8ZirI <--- This is why I dont like going downtown much... Bike riders can be like that
[05:55] <philipballew> Im doing critical mass this friday
[05:56] <bkerensa> :D
[05:56] <bkerensa> imho Bicyclists get special privileges
[05:57] <bkerensa> in Portland atleast
[05:57] <philipballew> because they want more people to ride them?
[05:57] <jroysdon> lol at the vid
[05:57] <philipballew> i own a road bike
[05:57] <philipballew> i rode fixed sometimes, but there hard
[05:57] <bkerensa> there was a guy a month or two back who got hit on the sidwalk by a guy on a bike and injured bad and he called the police and they only sent paramedics because the city has a policy of not sending police if it doesnt involve a car
[05:57] <jroysdon> I bike/bus every day
[05:58]  * bkerensa rides bus
[05:58] <philipballew> jroysdon, what kinda bike you ride
[05:58] <jroysdon> But I'm polite, but don't generally trust any stinking cars
[05:58] <bkerensa> nothing against clean or effiecient transportation... Just think the bicyclists up here have become elitist and the city puts them before everything else
[05:58] <jroysdon> Gary Fisher that a friend gave me when he upgraded
[05:59] <jroysdon> I think bicyclists who don't follow the rules of the road should get ticketed just like autos
[05:59] <bkerensa> ie: City of Portland is spending a few hundred million on buying bikes to lend to the public instead of building sidewalks that it has promised for over a decade
[05:59] <bkerensa> :P
[05:59] <philipballew> nice! what kinda bike
[05:59]  * philipballew I try to be nice when I ride
[05:59] <bkerensa> Portland has more miles of unpaved roads and roads without sidewalks or crosswalks then like any other city in the U.S.
[05:59] <bkerensa> its insane
[05:59] <bkerensa> :D
[05:59] <jroysdon> philipballew, hah, shows what I know, I don't even know the model off the top of my head, I just ride it ;-)
[06:00] <philipballew> haha, I just fixed mine.
[06:00] <bkerensa> there are streets that neighbors close off entirely to traffic because the potholes are the size of ponds and literally turn into ponds in the winter
[06:00] <jroysdon> I have a nice bike trail too if I want to skip the bus: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=215306314177140659342.0004a45fe48b07ced16c2
[06:00] <philipballew> re aligned the de-railer
[06:01] <bkerensa> This is what Portland roads are like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7cV76gMvY
[06:02] <bkerensa> You know things have gone bad when a entire street is renamed Lake Carlton because the pothole turned into a lake :P
[06:02] <jroysdon> man, that's worse than most alleys here
[06:03] <jroysdon> why don't you make your elected officials deal with it?
[06:03] <bkerensa> they wont
[06:04] <bkerensa> they wanna build special bridges for bikes only that play music! <-- no joke and spend hundreds of millions on bike projects
[06:04] <jroysdon> well, we do both
[06:04] <jroysdon> $5M to put in a special bike bridge here.  I'm not happy about the cost, but glad to have the bridge
[06:05] <bkerensa> Yeah well Metro/Portland is building a bridge literally to nowhere and they are spending a extra couple million just to make it so the bridge plays Simon and Garfunkel music when bikes go across it
[06:05] <jroysdon> hah
[06:05] <jroysdon> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Friends-of-the-Virginia-Corridor-Trailway/189870664359349#!/photo.php?fbid=244437085569373&set=pu.189870664359349&type=1&theater
[06:11] <jroysdon> wow - http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/member/2011,2491/Ruari-Hallam-Wharncliffe,26714/dphilpott,8551?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=addthis#.ToAViDdA8HI.facebook
[06:11] <gua> btw topic still has old meeting info
[06:15] <MarkDude> Portland is like the show Portlandia
[06:18]  * MarkDude has mustache classified as partially ironic at least- it is a bit disconcerting to hear the word hipster applied to oneself
[06:23] <bkerensa> :P
[06:23]  * bkerensa is anti-hipster
[06:25] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I found out how much a open bar tech party costs
[06:26] <bkerensa> The open bar alone costs roughly $10k
[06:26] <MarkDude> 2000+?
[06:26] <bkerensa> thats apparently how much it cost for the PuppetConf Ground Kontrol Open Bar and they were only serving beer
[06:26] <bkerensa> :P
[06:26] <MarkDude> Well it can if they dont have topshelf stuff
[06:26] <MarkDude> Geeks drink a bit
[06:26] <bkerensa> indeed
[06:27] <bkerensa> I also found out Ground Kontrol donates spaces to good causes ;)
[06:27] <bkerensa> hint = ubuntu loco's
[06:27]  * MarkDude was more anti hipster- until he realized the label applies to me- at least in a few minds. Not enough reason to shave the stache tho
[06:28] <MarkDude> Ground kontrol is great
[06:28] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I thought of you as Regal
[06:28] <bkerensa> :D
[06:28] <MarkDude> lol
[06:28] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Indeed nothing better than getting tipsy and playing Pac Man
[06:28] <bkerensa> :D
[06:28] <MarkDude> Or maybe the dude with the funny stache in Village people?
[06:28] <bkerensa> lol
[06:29] <MarkDude> How about getting hammered and pinball?
[06:29] <bkerensa> Oh MarkDude epic addition to the GK party... So me and a Ubuntu Oregon guy were arriving and there was some huge fight on the next street over lots of cops and as we walked to Ground Kontrol this guy decided he wanted to undress and walk up to the police
[06:29] <bkerensa> :P
[06:29]  * bkerensa muttered about how bad the economy is :P
[06:30] <bkerensa> I assume he needed a bed and some food
[06:30] <MarkDude> Well did the cops beat him?
[06:30] <bkerensa> no
[06:30] <MarkDude> or pretend they did not see him
[06:30] <bkerensa> he walked up and they kinda were like wth
[06:30] <grantbow> lol
[06:30] <bkerensa> and told him to lay on the ground
[06:30] <bkerensa> :P
[06:31] <bkerensa> they gloved up and cuffed him and wrapped him like a tortilla in a blanket and put him in the car
[06:31] <bkerensa> :D
[06:32] <bkerensa> Surprised they didnt tase him
[06:32] <jroysdon> heh, so long as he didn't resist, no need
[06:32] <bkerensa> He approached them from behind
[06:32] <bkerensa> :D
[06:33] <jroysdon> clearly he was on something though
[06:33] <bkerensa> kinda popped up on them when they were questioning some people from a fight
[06:33] <bkerensa> :D
[06:34] <bkerensa> jroysdon: Or he needed a bed and food? Oregon is not like California.... Not much care for homeless people
[06:34] <bkerensa> No City Funded Shelters like in San Francisco
[06:34] <jroysdon> perhaps California needs more of a hardline stance though
[06:34] <bkerensa> Maybe
[06:35] <jroysdon> give them a bed, make them work for an hour to get food, then work for 4 more hours for lunch, 4 more hours for dinner, etc.
[06:35] <bkerensa> Most of the homeless that used to hangout in SF migrated to Portland though
[06:35] <bkerensa> They come here because panhandling laws and other things are less restrictive
[06:35] <jroysdon> of course, you can't dare make someone work for food
[06:35] <jroysdon> ah
[06:36] <bkerensa> President Obama will be in Mountain View tomorrow apparently
[06:36] <MarkDude> Well Eugene does not let folks panhandle at all
[06:36] <MarkDude> like banned
[06:36] <MarkDude> Like free speech os asking for money
[06:38] <bkerensa> odd
[06:38] <jroysdon> it's not allowed here, but we don't have enough police to enforce it
[06:38] <bkerensa> Oregon is a weird mix of law and beliefs
[06:39] <bkerensa> apparently if you bite someones ear off that is not assault with a deadly weapon although in most states it is
[06:39] <bkerensa> You can also do the assist suicide thing up here
[06:55] <MarkDude> Rather popular. There are waaaaaay too many stripclubs up there- sorta gross
[06:58] <bkerensa> Portland has the most strip clubs per capita of any city in the U.S.
[06:58] <bkerensa> and yeah its bad
[06:59] <jroysdon> are the all over, or on the fringes?  We have one here, but it's like 5 miles out of town
[16:11] <MarkDude> nhaines: let me know if you dont want to run for Cali leadership. I plan on formally nominating you
[16:24] <bkerensa> :D
[16:25] <philipballew> happy monday everyone!
[16:29] <raevol> nrrrggggg
[16:34] <philipballew> 75 degrees today
[16:35] <philipballew> its nice here, but i prefer dynamic weather
[18:56] <bkerensa> Looks like the DOD wants to compete with Ubuntu :P
[18:56] <bkerensa> http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm
[18:56] <bkerensa> new linux distro
[19:03] <jyo> It's been out for a while now. DistroWatch review from July: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110704
[19:19] <Corey> Helo.
[19:19] <pleia2> hello
[19:19] <jyo> Hi
[19:20] <Corey> Don't mind me, I'm hunting rww down. :-)
[19:33]  * rww runs
[22:50] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I am on the edge of my seat for the OMG I GOT IT tweet :)
[22:52] <gua> pleia2: btw topic still has old meeting info
[22:52] <gua> i dunno if that's on purpose or not
[22:52] <pleia2> it's on the todo list for all post-meeting tasks, I haven't gotten around to post-meeting tasks yet, sorry
[22:53] <gua> ah, that's ok. j/w
[22:55] <rww> heh. first channel I've seen where UbuntuIRCCouncil is on the access list and staff isn't
[22:56] <pleia2> that's because there have been 40 revisions to "what channels are supposed to have" :)
[22:56] <pleia2> I never know!
[22:56] <rww> lol
[22:56] <pleia2> staff have super powers anyway
[22:57] <rww> only five actually, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels
[22:57] <pleia2> I have been known to exaggerate
[22:57] <bkerensa> Mysql.com got hacked
[22:58] <pleia2> yep
[22:59] <pleia2> oracle open world is next week, </3
[23:00] <gua> just yesterday i was trying to find out what the libreoffice was to mysql's openoffice, and i'm pretty sure mariadb but i really don't know how active it is compared to mysql
[23:03] <rww> gua: I think MariaDB too, but I think the situation's less clear-cut or something than it is for LibreOffice.
[23:04] <pleia2> yeah, since mariadb and mysql were always owned by a company
[23:04] <pleia2> not so simple
[23:05] <gua> yeah hm. with this opencore announcement stuff around mysql it got me to look into this.
[23:05] <pleia2> then again, there are paid versions of mysql
[23:05] <pleia2> the version everyone uses the the "community edition" and there have always been non-mariadb paid versions above that
[23:06] <gua> i guess i'll wait to see what newer basic/beginner guides for setting up a LAMP server say
[23:06] <rww> I'll just continue using whatever Ubuntu and Debian use. If it's in main, then shrug.
[23:06] <gua> i guess people could still use mysql for a while if the community version is usable enough or mariadb isn't nice enough to switch
[23:06] <pleia2> rww: same
[23:07] <gua> rww: i thought that too, but what if they have *both*
[23:07] <rww> gua: tasksel on Debian and Ubuntu has tasks for SQL database. Presumably they won't install two.
[23:08] <gua> ah, i didn't know there was a task like that. that's good to know.
[23:08] <gua> the tasksel displayed during the install sure leaves out a lot
[23:08] <rww> or maybe Ubuntu just has LAMP or something. I dunno.
[23:08] <rww> but the same applies
[23:09] <nhaines> The install has LAMP, but tasksel has a billion.


[00:13] <mterry> Saviq, merged from trunk, still looking at keyboard
[00:13] <Saviq> mterry, ok, kicking a rebuild
[00:16] <Saviq> mterry, looks like we can drop indicator-sound?
[00:16] <mterry> Saviq, yes, and indicator-datetime
[00:16] <Saviq> mterry, ugsb?
[00:16] <mterry> Saviq, need it
[00:16] <mterry> Saviq, at least, I don't think there was a release of that?
[00:16] <Saviq> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-greeter-session-broadcast/trunk.14.04
[00:17] <mterry> Saviq, oh awesome, drop it too
[00:24] <Saviq> mterry, ok, kicked a rebuild of unity8 and asked robru to clean it up
[00:24] <Saviq> /sleep
[00:25] <mterry> Saviq, night!
[00:25] <Saviq> let
[00:25] <Saviq> 's see what tomorrow brings
[00:25] <Saviq> o/
[07:10] <didrocks> Saviq: hey, seems that all unity8 tests are failing due to: StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name 'QQuickLoader' and properties {'scopeId': 'home.scope'}.
[07:10] <didrocks> which relates to the scope transition
[07:10] <didrocks> Mirv: ^
[07:12] <Mirv> didrocks: I believe it's what robru is explaining, that #258 needs to be built since he kicked #257 too early
[07:12] <didrocks> Saviq: cancel, seems that it's the message from robru
[07:12] <didrocks> Mirv: snap!
[07:12] <didrocks> :)
[07:12] <Mirv> :)
[07:12] <didrocks> Mirv: building
[07:13] <Mirv> good good
[07:13] <didrocks> not sure why 258 didn't build (I guess because 257 was still building)
[08:24] <mzanetti> Saviq: err..
[08:24] <Saviq> mzanetti, whatup?
[08:25] <mzanetti> Saviq: the scopes have landed?
[08:25] <mzanetti> I was still testing :D
[08:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, image 257 is broken
[08:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, oh
[08:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, you can continue testing on trunk, then, and file bugs ;)
[08:25] <mzanetti> Saviq: well, looks mostly good, but I had two questions
[08:26] <mzanetti> I flashed a clean image and installed the silo ppa. only apps scope appears
[08:26] <mzanetti> do we have all the required configs, daemons in the image?
[08:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's an ubuntu-touch update, what version do you have?
[08:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, apt-cache policy ubuntu-touch ?
[08:27] <mzanetti> let me check. flashed yesterday ~5pm
[08:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, but then from silo did you dist-upgrade?
[08:27] <mzanetti> iirc yes. or at least upgrade and verify nothing is being held back
[08:28] <mzanetti> ah ok... yep. ubuntu-touch has been kept back, as the only package
[08:28] <Saviq> yeah, dist-upgrade
[08:28] <mzanetti> ok. I guess that solves question nr 1
[08:29] <mzanetti> huh? server certificate verification failed
[08:29] <mzanetti> can't remember what the other thing was right now. It'll come back once I had my coffee
[08:30] <mzanetti> Saviq: why is the new image broken? because of new scopes have landed or something else?
[08:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, it got kicked before new unity8 got published
[08:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, 258 is building now
[08:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, so we lost the old scopes, but didn't get the new ones ;)
[08:31] <mzanetti> ah :)
[08:33] <mzanetti> Saviq: ah right. the perfomance issues are to be solved in a new MR, right?
[08:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah
[08:34] <mzanetti> ok. I think other than that, my testing didn't really reveal any new things, apart from the header breaking in many circumstances
[08:34] <mzanetti> which we discussed away in favor a new implementation coming up
[08:35] <Saviq> yup
[08:35] <mzanetti> sorry I wasn't faster yesterday
[08:35] <Saviq> no worries
[08:35] <Saviq> QA ACK'ed it, too
[08:35] <mzanetti> but AP kills hours and hours without you even realizing
[08:36] <Saviq> yeah it dows
[08:36] <Saviq> does
[08:46] <mzanetti> Saviq: so, if you've cleared the silo, can I haz one for right edge?
[08:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah, you could have had one regardless
[08:47] <mzanetti> reminds me. arent we in TRAINCON-0 atm?
[08:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, on the contrary
[08:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, we're blocking promotion on the "events queued when screen off" bug, but landings can flow freely
[08:50] <mzanetti> there is at least one in main mailbox stating we are. but I guess the amount of heat it caused got it revised
[08:51] <mzanetti> at least one mail in my mailbox...
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, read ubuntu-phone@
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, there was a discussion about it and then it got lifted
[08:51] <mzanetti> yeah, I followed the discussion, seem I missed the official "it got lifted" mail
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, also, you can always read the current status in https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFlCc1VzeVZzWmdBZS11WERjdVc3dmc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
[08:56] <Saviq> sil2100, could we have another can-be-flushed silo for row 43 now that we're done with scopes?
[08:57] <sil2100> Saviq: hi! Let me check the current status and get back to you in a moment
[08:57] <Saviq> sil2100, thanks
[08:59] <tsdgeos> new scopes yayyyyyyyy
[09:01] <didrocks> Saviq: should we retry a landing for the new icon theme?
[09:01] <didrocks> Saviq: so, basically a branch in the toolkit + your unity8 tweaks
[09:01] <didrocks> right?
[09:01] <Saviq> didrocks, I wanted that today, yeah, UITK is locked, though
[09:01] <Saviq> didrocks, in silo 009
[09:01] <didrocks> yeah, seeing that
[09:01] <Saviq> didrocks, they want to land it today
[09:01] <didrocks> thostr_: you are going to test that silo soon? ^
[09:02] <didrocks> then, once that's done, just one transition remains on my list before the end of cycle
[09:03] <Saviq> didrocks, you mean week?
[09:03] <Saviq> didrocks, we still have right edge and split greeter incoming ;)
[09:05] <mhr3> Saviq, can i remove support for Unity 0.1? pretty pls?
[09:06] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, we're not rolling back ;)
[09:06] <mhr3> \o/
[09:06]  * mhr3 loves removing code
[09:08] <mzanetti> Saviq: here's a tiny one we missed when moving qml files: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-commithook/+merge/212475
[09:08] <didrocks> Saviq: but it's only unity8?
[09:08] <Saviq> mzanetti, saw that
[09:08] <Saviq> didrocks, which one?
[09:08] <didrocks> like doesn't need coordination between 10 pieces?
[09:08] <didrocks> right edge + split greeter?
[09:08] <didrocks> oh no
[09:08] <didrocks> you need u-s-c
[09:08] <Saviq> didrocks, there's a few projects
[09:08] <Saviq> didrocks, not 10, but like 3 or 4
[09:09] <Saviq> didrocks, see the list in silo 004 and the new one in row 43
[09:09] <Saviq> didrocks, although most of that can land separately if needed
[09:09] <Saviq> or will, anyway
[09:09] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, I gave you 2 transitions then before the end of cycle
[09:09] <didrocks> not more! :p
[09:09] <Saviq> ;D
[09:10] <Saviq> didrocks, isn't every silo a transition? :P
[09:10] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah yeah yeah, in some way :)
[09:12] <mhr3> Saviq, do you need designers to see split greeter? can put it on one of their devices if needed
[09:12] <Saviq> mhr3, not sure it's ready for that, will ask mterry later today
[09:13] <mhr3> Saviq, k, limited time offer though only today :)
[09:13] <Saviq> :D
[09:17]  * didrocks will reuse the limitied time offer argument against mhr3 :)
[09:18] <mhr3> didrocks, why do you always have to see things you're not supposed to? :P
[09:18] <didrocks> mhr3: heh, because I have an hilight on your name to track you down!
[09:18] <didrocks> :)
[09:18] <mhr3> time for a nick change then :)
[09:19] <mhr4> hahaha
[09:19] <didrocks> ah, I'm totally lost now! :)
[09:19] <didrocks> mhr had an ABI break *again*!
[09:19] <mhr4> now you can't talk to me
[09:20] <didrocks> yeah, I need a rebuild :p
[09:20] <mhr4> i didn't think that through though as you're the one who actually does have all the repo access
[09:21] <didrocks> :)
[09:23] <mhr4> can apport retrace pkgs from proposed?
[09:24] <Saviq> mhr3+1, you can drop the packages from ddebs into the cache
[09:25] <mhr4> Saviq, looks familiar? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7150345/
[09:25] <mhr4> Saviq, how do i do that?
[09:26] <Saviq> mhr3+1, no, didn't see that before
[09:26] <Saviq> mhr3+1, you want to retrace on device or host?
[09:26] <mhr4> Saviq, device should be easier
[09:26] <didrocks> mhr4: install the qt5 dbgsym
[09:26] <Saviq> didrocks, no need for dbgsym
[09:26] <didrocks> it unblocks sometimes the stack trace corruption
[09:26] <Saviq> qtdeclarative5-dbg
[09:27] <didrocks> I saw that with Qt
[09:27] <didrocks> and don't ask me the rationale, I don't understand why it results in that and being unrolled once the debug symbols are there
[09:27] <Saviq> mhr3+1, on device just grab and install the corresponding package from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/
[09:28] <Saviq> mhr3+1, get qtdeclarative5-dbg from distro and use apport-retrace -g on the .crash file
[09:28] <tsdgeos> also if you get lots of ??? because of the JIT
[09:28] <tsdgeos> force the interpreter to run
[09:28] <tsdgeos> QV4_FORCE_INTERPRETER=1
[09:29]  * Saviq hates it that apport-cli overwrites the .crash and you can't make it process it again
[09:33] <mhr4> Saviq, you can, you just need to delete everything after the base64 encoded coredump
[09:33] <mhr4> Saviq, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7150382/
[09:33] <Saviq> mhr3+1, I just copy it before apport-cli...
[09:33] <mhr4> also a way :)
[09:34] <Saviq> mhr3+1, no, nothing, any steps?
[09:34] <mhr4> Saviq, just random crash while swiping around
[09:34] <Saviq> mhr3+1, mhm, sounds like delegate creation/destruction gone wrong
[09:35] <Saviq> on that note, I suspect we're keeping too many delegates around
[09:37] <thostr_> didrocks: Saviq: testing silo 9...
[09:39] <Saviq> sil2100, bump about prep silo for right edge, sorry for nagging :)
[09:41] <sil2100> Saviq: I think I already assigned it some minutes ago ;)
[09:41] <sil2100> Just in a meeting now still!
[09:41] <Saviq> sil2100, ah...
[09:42]  * Saviq should check the spreadsheet...
[09:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, right edge going into ppa:~ci-train-ppa-service/landing-015/
[09:43] <mzanetti> thanks Saviq & didrocks :)
[09:43] <Saviq> & sil2100!
[09:43] <mzanetti> ^
[09:43] <sil2100> yw ;p Sorry for not mentioning
[09:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, btw, looks like we need some more version bumps, though
[09:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, we need debian/changelog bump in https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity-api/new-screenshot-and-focusing-api/+merge/199810
[09:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, so that others can depend on the -dev package at the right version
[09:45] <Saviq> unity-mir in that case
[09:45] <mzanetti> Saviq: so which one do I need to bump?
[09:45] <mzanetti> ah. changelog
[09:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, in unity-api
[09:45] <mzanetti> I thought that happened automagically when landing
[09:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, and then >= that in unity-mir
[09:45] <mzanetti> yeah, sure
[09:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, it does
[09:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, but if you don't have that ↑↑ in unity-mir
[09:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, it will build against any unity-api there is
[09:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, if API changes, you need to manage the deps yourself
[09:46] <mzanetti> ah, sure, makes sense
[09:47] <Saviq> mzanetti, we will probably see it with unity-mir failing to build in the silo now
[09:47] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah, and yeah, right-edge conflicts with trunk...
[09:48] <mzanetti> no surprise there :D
[09:48] <mzanetti> ok, on that stuff to fix
[10:02] <Cimi> how can I debug a qml module not loading?
[10:02] <Cimi> or which are the requirements for it to load?
[10:05] <Saviq> Cimi, what do you mean "not loading"?
[10:05] <Cimi> Saviq, cannot find a module
[10:05] <Saviq> Cimi, means you don't have it on your QML2_IMPORT_PATH or its qmldir is missing
[10:06] <Saviq> Cimi, qmlplugindump is helpful in that
[10:39] <didrocks> JohnLea: hey, who should I asked to have a bug related to phone and new scopes for the wallpaper support in term of design strategy?
[10:39] <didrocks> JohnLea: so that we can point people to one
[10:39] <didrocks> JohnLea: I know you're not the one working on that, but you are my connection with the design team :)
[10:41] <seb128> mpt, ^ (seems like touch/unity8 dropped support to customizing the user session background)
[10:42] <seb128> which means at least the settings need to be updated
[10:44] <Saviq> lol
[10:44] <Saviq> /food
[10:44] <Saviq> mpt didn't like that
[10:48] <Cimi> dednick, I have this code http://paste.ubuntu.com/7150619/
[10:48] <Cimi> dednick, complains about
[10:48] <Cimi> Error: Cannot assign QObject* to UnityMenuModel*
[10:48] <Cimi> for menuStack.head = menuModel;
[10:48] <dednick> Cimi: dont think you need a stack
[10:48] <Cimi> dednick, I used the code from the system settings
[10:49] <dednick> Cimi: Stack is for when the model is a tree.
[10:49] <dednick> the settings menumodel is flat.
[10:51] <dednick> Cimi: but in this specific case, you're assigning the stacks head to a sort model, not the qmenumodel
[10:51] <dednick> Cimi: s/qmenumodel/unitymenumodel
[10:51] <Cimi> dednick, ok
[10:51] <Cimi> now the filter filters everything, though
[10:51] <dednick> if should be menuStack.head = unitymenumodel  (where the UnityMenuMode { id: unitymenumodel }
[10:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: one small issue in new scopes: in the scopes-scope, if there is no icon, the text lacks leftMargins
[10:57] <mzanetti> should I report a bug or is already some fix in progress?
[11:00] <Cimi> dednick, how do I use filterRole and FilterRegExp?
[11:00] <dednick> Cimi: hang on, i'm looking at it now
[11:01] <Cimi> dednick, this is my file http://paste.ubuntu.com/7150676/
[11:06] <dednick> Cimi: use  filterRole: 5
[11:07] <dednick> not 4
[11:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, indeed
[11:12] <Cimi> dednick, mmm
[11:12] <Cimi> menuitemfactory expects unitymenumodel, though
[11:14] <tsdgeos> sil2100: you should ping someone that knows about packaging for https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/dee-qt/add_cpp_symbols/+merge/202679 no? like didrocks maybe?
[11:16] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ah, this one
[11:17] <sil2100> tsdgeos: ok, will re-visit it, since I need to double check something there now, and will poke someone from the core-devs ;)
[11:17] <sil2100> tsdgeos: thanks for reminding me about that one
[11:18] <tsdgeos> yw
[11:19] <dednick> Cimi: hm. all of this code is pretty old compared to what's in unity8 not.
[11:20] <Cimi> dednick, shall I grab your code?
[11:20] <dednick> Cimi: but basically, you need to be setting the unitymenumodel on the factory rather than the filtered model, and then do index conversion between the filter model and the unity menu model
[11:20] <Cimi> yeah I thought about it
[11:20] <Cimi> havinmg two models
[11:21] <Cimi> basically
[11:21] <om26er> new crash https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1297223
[11:26] <dednick> Cimi: try http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7150757/
[11:28] <dednick> Cimi: but yeah, the MenuItemFactory code should probably be updated at some point.
[11:28] <Cimi> dednick, just menuitemfactory?
[11:28] <Cimi> dednick, I'm rewriting my own code here
[11:28] <Cimi> dednick, so I can copy that
[11:28] <Cimi> and update
[11:29] <dednick> Cimi: are you using the code in ubuntu-system-settings/wifi ?
[11:29] <dednick> or adding another copy?
[11:29] <dednick> ubuntu-system-settings/plugins/wifi
[11:30] <Cimi> dednick, adding another copy
[11:30] <Cimi> dednick, since i have different design
[11:30] <dednick> Cimi: PageComponent & MenuItemFactory should be the same though..
[11:30] <Cimi> dednick, I will have to intewgrate password entry in the list
[11:30] <dednick> i see
[11:31] <Cimi> dednick, no more snap decisions
[11:31] <dednick> Cimi: well that's the same for everywhere
[11:31] <dednick> MacSlow: ^ ?
[11:32] <MacSlow> ?
[11:32] <dednick> MacSlow: above discussion about password entry being part of the menu item. Is that still being done?
[11:32] <dednick> for wifi password
[11:32] <MacSlow> Cimi, could you elaborate on that?
[11:33] <Cimi> MacSlow, when you tap an access point, the password entry appears in the listview
[11:34] <dednick> MacSlow: you were doing something about changing the wifi password from being a snap desicion into being integrated in the indicator menu items
[11:34] <MacSlow> dednick, last status of that is... what cimi described is the utimate goal... but for that to work much infrastructure is needed on the ofono and/or telephony backend-side... so for the time being we keep the snap-decisions we have atm
[11:35] <MacSlow> dednick, initially that was the plan... but there's this blocking on infrastructure atm
[11:36] <Cimi> MacSlow, ouch, why is so difficult?
[11:37] <Saviq> om26er, make public?
[11:37] <dednick> Cimi: because the backend password entry is a request based mechanism rather that a "conncet with this password"
[11:37] <Cimi> ahhh
[11:37] <MacSlow> Cimi, ask Wellark
[11:37] <Cimi> I'll skip it for now then
[11:37] <MacSlow> Cimi, or dednick :)
[11:37] <Cimi> ciao dednick :P
[11:37] <Cimi> dednick, wanna come here thursday? :P
[11:38] <dednick> Cimi: I'm off to Scotland on Thursday i think.
[11:39] <dednick> Cimi: but anyway, I think it'll be the same design everywhere for the list. So i think all the menuItem stuff in the ubuntu-system-settings should be the same.
[11:40] <om26er> Saviq, was a crash, should I wait for retracer
[11:41] <om26er> Saviq, made it public now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1297223
[11:43] <Saviq> om26er, oh interesting, that we didn't see before, wonder what retracer will come up with
[11:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, ↑↑ crash in launcher
[11:43] <Saviq> ah it retraced already
[11:43] <mzanetti> hmm
[11:44] <mhr3> mzanetti, ah, yea i hit that yesterday
[11:44] <mhr3> but was running ppa, so no nice stacktrace
[11:44] <mzanetti> any steps to reproduce?
[11:44] <mhr3> anyway, you do have one now
[11:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: this one updated: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/make-xvfbtestSomething/+merge/211573
[11:51] <om26er> Saviq, bug 1297239
[11:51] <Saviq> om26er, will be fixed with right edge
[11:52] <om26er> great!
[11:52] <Saviq> om26er, it happened before, too, but probably because background was darker it wasn't as noticable
[11:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, assign yourself to ↑?
[11:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, and thanks
[11:53] <mzanetti> om26er: you don't happen to know how to reproduce that?
[11:54] <om26er> mzanetti, the crash? no it happened random
[11:56]  * mzanetti flashing latest proposed image and trying to reproduce the launcher crash while waiting for the right edge silo to be built
[11:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, did you update the branches already?
[11:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, it doesn't auto-build, I need to push a button
[12:02] <om26er> does the tiles in apps lens no longer have "pressed" state ? seems there is no difference
[12:04] <mzanetti> Saviq: I updated them an pushed the button already
[12:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah
[12:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, you have the button pushing powers, /me forgot :)
[12:09] <mzanetti> yeah, I use that power carefully only :D
[12:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, FYI, when bumping changelog, you don't need to add the +foo
[12:10] <mzanetti> I don't need or I must not?
[12:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, don't need to
[12:10] <greyback> mzanetti: glad QSignalSpy works. Have you new-scopes merged yet?
[12:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, best to put "7.80.6-0ubuntu1" or so
[12:10] <mzanetti> greyback: yeah, silo will be buit soon
[12:10] <greyback> mzanetti: nice
[12:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, so that we know what you added and what the system added
[12:11] <mzanetti> ah ok. Saviq, should I fix or its ok for this time?
[12:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, no no, it's fine
[12:11] <greyback> ..
[12:12] <greyback> wrong window, sry
[12:13] <Saviq> didrocks, (when) should we use ~ in Depends, i.e. (>= 1.2.3~)?
[12:16] <mhr3> Saviq, hm, interesting side-effect of https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity8/fix-1297246/+merge/212593 surfacing is now lazy, shell no longer fires up queries to all the scopes on startup
[12:24] <Saviq> mhr3, ha, interesting indeed :)
[12:25] <Saviq> mhr3, since we need to be able to supply them from the backend, we need the backend to kick the initial one, too, I'd say
[12:26] <mhr3> Saviq, aren't we all in for being more lazy?
[12:26] <mhr3> or perhaps i misunderstood
[12:27] <mhr3> you're saying you *do* want something to fire up the queries asap
[12:27] <mhr3> ?
[12:27] <Saviq> mhr3, that's what we were doing until now
[12:28] <Saviq> mhr3, would you delay that until it's shown or something?
[12:28] <mhr3> Saviq, yes, that is what happens with that branch ^
[12:28] <Saviq> mhr3, ah
[12:28] <Saviq> mhr3, I thought you meant they're not fired at all on startup
[12:29] <Saviq> i.e. you ended up with empty scope until you did something
[12:29] <mhr3> at startup they aren't, once you reveal the scope they are
[12:29] <Saviq> mhr3, that sounds fine I think
[12:29] <mhr3> agreed
[12:32] <Saviq> didrocks, btw, please please apport-cli the .crash files first, or whoopsie-upload-all, otherwise I have to do it locally (and actually fail to now)
[12:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... another issue in new scopes (invisible tho): I messed up when merging the right edge, accidentally dropped the paper background image
[12:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: turns out, there's still the normal background behind it
[12:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, prep an MP please, not a big issue
[13:02] <mhr3> Saviq, https://plus.google.com/101899139221851198594/posts/EQYGqtG6Cpo
[13:03] <Saviq> mhr3, I saw that in the tool, too, never on device
[13:04] <Saviq> mhr3, we'll have to check out what's happening
[13:04] <mhr3> Saviq, i do see it with ./run though
[13:05] <mhr3> which would mean it'll be most likely visible in the preview session
[13:05] <Saviq> mhr3, depends, it might be xcb-specific
[13:05] <Saviq> mhr3, but we still need to check it out for sure
[13:05] <mhr3> true
[13:06] <mhr3> Saviq, opening bug then
[13:06] <Saviq> mhr3, I've a feeling it's 5.2-related, might be caused by all the warnings we get in the console, which we need to shut up
[13:06] <mhr3> yea, didn't see it pre-5.2
[13:06] <mhr3> i think
[13:08] <mhr3> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1297270
[13:20] <dandrader> greyback, have you ever seen this kind of crash (first item in the "Issues" session)? https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1IiHBDIW_e0qnGt-po1D2z5HJKrNhBwh6pdILeEN2sgA/edit#
[13:21] <greyback> dandrader: QRasterPlatformPixmap <- looks wrong, we shouldn't be using htat
[13:21] <dandrader> I don't get how the QPA works fine in a device and crashes in another...
[13:21] <dandrader> greyback, yeah, I found it weird... is that software rendering?
[13:22] <greyback> dandrader: for some reason Qt/QPA is deciding not to use a texture for the image, which is wrong. Wonder why however
[13:23] <greyback> dandrader: this is nexus4 I assume
[13:23] <dandrader> greyback, yes, it's written in a line above the stack trace
[13:23] <greyback> ah sorry, missed that
[13:24] <greyback> dandrader: any output from the binary as it's running that might be handy?
[13:24] <didrocks> Saviq: it's if you have a version which isn't released, what's your case?
[13:24] <dandrader> greyback,  not really. but the qml-demo-shell works fine..
[13:25] <Saviq> didrocks, not applicable, then
[13:26] <greyback> dandrader: interesting, can you get more frames in that stacktrace? What's loading the pixmap?
[13:26] <dandrader> greyback, now flasing my Nexus 7 to try out the stuff there. I'm curious to know if it works there :)
[13:26] <didrocks> Saviq: I did that, right?
[13:26] <dandrader> greyback, no. below that the stack is garbage
[13:26] <didrocks> for the apport-cli
[13:26] <dandrader> or corrupted
[13:26] <Saviq> didrocks, no, the .crash I got was naked
[13:27] <didrocks> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1297240
[13:27] <greyback> dandrader: could you try installing the UITK debug packages, just in case that's the source?
[13:27] <didrocks> Saviq: seems the retrace worked?
[13:27] <greyback> might give us a few more frames
[13:27] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, but the one you attached was not processed AFAICT
[13:28] <Saviq> didrocks, I grabbed it from the email somewhere..
[13:28] <Saviq> didrocks, anyway, you know what to do, so let's not drag that any more :)
[13:28] <dandrader> greyback, hmm, that's an idea. also a virtually fully commented out unity8 works fine. so another approach is to slowly uncomment things until the crash pops up
[13:28] <didrocks> Saviq: what should I do? you have the bug report retraced?
[13:29] <Saviq> didrocks, nothing, the retrace is as good as it gets
[13:29] <didrocks> so everything's fine? (and I can close the other .crash)
[13:29] <didrocks> great :)
[13:29] <didrocks> Saviq: let me look if I can make this bug public
[13:29] <Saviq> didrocks, I already did, core is stripped already
[13:29] <Saviq> and nothing else sensitive I don't think
[13:29] <didrocks> yeah, just quickly checked, nothing sensitive
[13:30] <didrocks> Saviq: I'm duplicating the other bug
[13:30] <Saviq> didrocks, kies
[13:30] <dandrader> I can also build qt myself to get all the gory details and debug outputs imaginable. just hope I don't lose a week on that like that white flash bug. Mustering the courage to jump on it :)
[13:30] <dandrader> greyback, ah, btw, virtual keyboard is working!
[13:30] <dandrader> got it on Friday
[13:31] <greyback> dandrader: ah cool
[13:31] <greyback> dandrader: I'm working on mir+qpa stuff now, so please pull regularly
[13:31] <greyback> I just removed one hack from Mir, and fixed a hang at shutdown
[13:32] <dandrader> greyback, we will still have to keep the UbuntuKeyboardInfo hack (to tell us the vkb opaque rect) until the touch cancelling work lands (which is a big diff, better to land separately)
[13:32] <greyback> dandrader: perfect. Good to keep changes reasonably sized
[13:32] <dandrader> greyback, on the for-qpa-mir-server branch?
[13:32] <greyback> dandrader: mir-for-qpamirserver, and qpa-mirserver
[13:33] <greyback> dandrader: am trying to get it running on desktop again - I need to re-enable a PointerController
[13:33] <greyback> crashing for some reason, but almost there
[13:35] <dandrader> ok
[13:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so... of course I need to pull you... bug #1297240 - I wasn't able to repro and can't really discern anything from the (otherwise quite good) trace...
[13:42] <Saviq> mterry, hey, looks like lightdm got released, let's drop it from silo?
[13:42] <Saviq> mterry, also, think it's time to put the split greeter in design hands for testing?
[13:43] <mterry> Saviq, yes to first
[13:44] <mterry> Saviq, design has given video on what boot animation should look like.  The silo doesn't represent that yet, and that's really the only visual change (except for indicators having different menus I guess).  So I want to land the animation tweaks before asking design to feedback
[13:45] <Saviq> mterry, got it
[13:45] <mterry> Saviq, but I think I should send out a functionality call for testing.  Despite the keyboard Mir bug
[13:45] <Saviq> sil2100, can you please drop lightdm package from silo 004 ppa?
[13:46] <mterry> Saviq, can you see if kgunn made a silo for lp:~mterry/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/volume ?
[13:46] <Saviq> mterry, silo 01
[13:46] <Saviq> 016
[13:46] <mterry> Saviq, sweet.  So many silos!
[13:47] <Saviq> mterry, indeed :)
[13:48] <Saviq> mterry, dropped lightdm MP from silo 004, so we need the package removed before we can build anything else
[13:48] <sil2100> Saviq: just remove from the PPA, yes?
[13:48] <Saviq> sil2100, yes, please
[13:49] <sil2100> Saviq: removed, should be gone soon!
[13:49] <Saviq> sil2100, thanks
[13:50] <kgunn> mterry: that gsettings volume sync mp is built here ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-016
[13:50] <kgunn> mterry: what tests should i run ?
[13:51] <sil2100> Saviq: yw!
[13:51] <mterry> kgunn, so on desktop , you can test that volume / mute is synced between greeter and session.  And you can do the same on the phone if you install silo 004 first
[13:52] <kgunn> mterry: ack will do
[13:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: looking
[14:00] <didrocks> mterry: the indicator-sound change has been reverted FYI
[14:01] <didrocks> (if you needed that one)
[14:01] <didrocks> kgunn: ^
[14:01] <mterry> didrocks, gah!
[14:01] <mterry> didrocks, it caused regressions?
[14:01] <didrocks> mterry: it pulled click on desktop, release team tried to downgrade the recommends to suggests, but then, the tests were segfaulting
[14:01] <didrocks> so on release team request, I uploaded a revert
[14:02] <seb128> request backed up by desktop team, for the record
[14:02] <didrocks> seb128: come on, I just rolled out a French conspiracy and you put it back! :)
[14:02] <mzanetti> greyback: Saviq: silo 015 up'n running on my phone. 2 AP tests still failing which should start working when the silo is built the next time (build already running)
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, there was at least one new segfault according to e.u.c, segfault in tests, the click on desktop issue ... and we are in beta freeze, that's lot of churn to upload during a freeze
[14:02] <mterry> didrocks, Makes sense.  OK.  So not a code problem necessarily.  Which means it can come back once tests are fixed?
[14:02] <seb128> didrocks, lol
[14:03] <didrocks> mterry: I think so, I don't know the detail, but chat as well with seb128 :)
[14:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, cools
[14:03] <mterry> kgunn, that means we need to add back that indicator-sound branch to silo 004
[14:03] <didrocks> (as I wasn't involved, just used my revert script)
[14:03] <kgunn> mterry: ack...that was what ted landed right ?
[14:03] <seb128> mterry, I still dislike having so much code changes landing so late in the cycle (and the fact that we had to revert shows why)
[14:04] <mterry> kgunn, yes
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, I hear you
[14:04] <seb128> mterry, well, anyway, if the segfault and the tests are fixed, we can probably land again after thursday (doesn't seem likely to get a beta freeze exception)
[14:05] <kgunn> seb128: so you mean after thurs b/c desktop will be branched for freeze ? (so it won't hit desktop only mobile?)
[14:06] <seb128> kgunn, no, there is no branching, but we are frozen for beta until thursday, once beta is out we can get stuff in the archive again
[14:07] <seb128> well we can get things uploaded to trusty-proposed during the freeze, but they might block selected fixes targetted at beta if they stay blocked there
[14:07] <greyback> mzanetti: excellent
[14:08] <kgunn> seb128: i see, i'm guessing we might not be able to run that fast anyway
[14:09] <kgunn> mterry: guess you don't need the indicator-sound pkg deleted from the ppa anymore :)
[14:09] <mterry> kgunn, well it got deleted already
[14:09] <kgunn> <sad trombone>
[14:10] <mterry> kgunn, we can run that fast for indicator-sound, code is already there, it just got reverted due to a faulty test system.  tedg, you're working on that?  Do you think it can land after Beta?
[14:11] <mhr3> tsdgeos, you'll like this https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/remove-albumart-provider/+merge/212622
[14:11] <seb128> mterry, there was on real runtime segfault at least as well (from e.u.c), ted is having that one fixed soon, you might want to include that fix with it
[14:11] <mterry> seb128, ok
[14:12] <tedg> mterry, Yeah, I'm not sure what to do with the build test failure. No way to reproduce locally that I know of.
[14:13] <mterry> tedg, can I help?  I assume then if I build locally I won't see a problem?
[14:13] <tedg> mterry, I assume that you won't, but if you did a quick build to see that'd be cool.
[14:13] <tsdgeos> mhr3: :)
[14:14] <tedg> mterry, Thinking about adding the debug messages flag to debian/rules and seeing what happens.
[14:14] <mterry> tedg, building trunk
[14:15]  * tedg hopes for a segfault :-)
[14:16] <tedg> Wonder if I could make a script that would continually upload to a PPA until something failed to build...
[14:16] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i've seen that crash but i thought we had had it fixed :/
[14:17] <tedg> Seems a bit wasteful, yet useful at the same time.
[14:17] <tedg> Nobody tell IS I had that thought.
[14:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, :|
[14:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i can have a look at reproducing&fixing
[14:18] <tsdgeos> at some point i was having it quite "easily"
[14:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, please do
[14:19] <tsdgeos> don't remember how though
[14:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I can't reproduce at all
[14:19] <didrocks> Saviq: FYI, I got it more on a fresh boot
[14:19] <didrocks> Saviq: connected to the network of course to get the click apps content
[14:20] <dpm> mhr3, I'm testing the new scopes template, but there is one thing I cannot quite grasp yet. In the context of scopes, what are annotations and what are they used for? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.04/cplusplus/unity-scopes/_annotation_8h_source.html
[14:23] <tedg> mterry, Any crash?
[14:23] <mterry> tedg, oh sorry.  No
[14:23] <mterry> tedg, which test fails?
[14:23] <tedg> mterry, Test #6: media-player-user-test-dataset
[14:24] <tedg> mterry, It actually just failed on Jenkins for me
[14:24] <mterry> oh good
[14:24] <mhr3> dpm, is a kind of special category with links, something in between results and filters
[14:24] <didrocks> tedg: I'm sure you are going to blame java soon :p
[14:24] <didrocks> or even worse, python… because jenkins is in java ;)
[14:24] <mhr3> dpm, not supported by the shell yet
[14:25] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i don't understand https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1297310, can you take a photo?
[14:25] <tedg> didrocks, Clearly a Python issue
[14:25] <didrocks> tedg: here we go! :)
[14:25] <dpm> mhr3, ok, thanks
[14:25] <tedg> I'll be curious to see what this one is when we find it. So weird how it shows up.
[14:25] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I just closed as invalid
[14:26] <tsdgeos> ¿?
[14:26] <tedg> Because I'd expect it to be on the slow builders or not, but it seems unrelated to that.
[14:32] <tsdgeos> didrocks: so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1297240 is happening to you only phone or pc too?
[14:32] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I didn't try on pc, so yeah, phone for sure
[14:32] <tsdgeos> mterry: gave you quick a bit of needs fixing/comments on the split branch
[14:32] <didrocks> davmor2 and popey experienced it as well
[14:32] <didrocks> (on phone)
[14:32] <mterry> tsdgeos, awesome, will look
[14:32] <tsdgeos> didrocks: i'm not saying it happens ;)
[14:32] <tsdgeos> it doesn't happen
[14:33] <tsdgeos> double negation is evil
[14:33] <didrocks> tsdgeos: ahah, yeah, got it, I can just tell you "happen on phone, not sure for desktop"
[14:34] <mterry> tsdgeos, comments!  Love it  :)  quick notes about testing: use ./run -fG to get fake phablet user.  And rather than building packages yourself, try using the ppa from silo 004
[14:34] <mterry> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-004
[14:34] <Cimi> dednick_, where does menuData comes from?
[14:35] <tsdgeos> mterry: what's the difference between building myself?
[14:35] <mterry> tsdgeos, theoretically nothing
[14:35] <tedg> didrocks, You'll love it, I think it's actually a Vala bug ;-)
[14:35] <mterry> tsdgeos, but if you want to debug your issue, give me logs from /var/log/lightdm
[14:35] <didrocks> tedg: ahah, you're not kidding, right? :)
[14:35] <Cimi> item.menuData = Qt.binding(function() { return model; }); ?
[14:36] <tsdgeos> mterry: i whiped the phone already ^_^
[14:36] <tsdgeos> mterry: fix the other stuff and i'll go back to it again one thay you're awake so we can debug it live
[14:36] <tedg> didrocks, Let me trace it down for sure, but I'm not :-)
[14:36] <mterry> tsdgeos, sure
[14:37] <didrocks> tedg: clearly inherently still related to python for you I guess though :p
[14:38] <Cimi> yep
[14:38] <popey> didrocks: i didnt experience it
[14:39] <didrocks> popey: oh, never during the hangout? that was yesterday you showed us a black screen on camera then?
[14:39] <davmor2> didrocks: I did :)  I'm just about to try and reproduce it now I'm back from lunch
[14:39]  * didrocks is probably lost in all the regression :)
[14:39] <didrocks> davmor2: sweet!
[14:40] <davmor2> didrocks: black screen you get exiting the mediaplayer
[14:40] <davmor2> hmm I can't remember if there was a bug for that
[14:46] <Saviq> mhr3, albumart gone!? like NOW?
[14:46] <Cimi> mterry, ping
[14:46] <mterry> Cimi, hello!
[14:46] <Cimi> ciao :)
[14:46] <Cimi> mterry, so I have the filter working, I can only show wifi access points
[14:47] <davmor2> didrocks: who do I blame for not being able to add a photo to a contact?
[14:47] <Cimi> mterry, I am wondering if you had the designs
[14:47] <Cimi> mterry, of that wifi page, I think I don't have them
[14:47] <didrocks> davmor2: is that a regression?
[14:47] <Saviq> davmor2, is it stuck in Loading...?
[14:48] <Saviq> davmor2, see #ubuntu-touch for a potential fix
[14:48]  * davmor2 thought he was on #u-t D'oh
[14:49] <anpok> mterry: i managed to get all the branches set up for the split greeter change.. at least I think I managed..
[14:50] <anpok> I see the greeter now and before that the spinner
[14:50] <mhall119> mhr3: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/api/scopes/ubuntu-14.04/ has the tutorial page listed now
[14:50] <anpok> but when I move the greeter away the spinner is back and stays there..
[14:50] <mhall119> mhr3: also monospaced font in code blocks
[14:50] <mterry> anpok, curious.  That means the user session didn't come up
[14:51] <anpok> i see the user session on the
[14:51] <Saviq> didrocks, shall we do suru switch then?
[14:51] <anpok> process tree
[14:51] <Saviq> hmm 20 remaining silos? interesting ;)
[14:52] <anpok> mterry: usc logs say:
[14:52] <anpok> set_next_session 'session-0'
[14:52] <anpok> set_next_session
[14:52] <anpok> update_session_focus locking
[14:52] <anpok> Setting next focus to spinner; active focus to spinner
[14:52] <anpok> scene unlocked
[14:52] <anpok> update_session_focus locking
[14:52] <anpok> Setting next focus to spinner; active focus to session greeter-0
[14:52] <anpok> scene unlocked
[14:52] <anpok> set_active_session 'session-0'
[14:52] <anpok> set_active_session
[14:52] <anpok> update_session_focus locking
[14:52] <anpok> Setting next focus to spinner; active focus to spinner
[14:52] <anpok> scene unlocked
[14:53] <anpok> note scene unlocked/ update_session_focus locking are messaged I added to update_session_focus
[14:53] <mterry> I wondered  :)
[14:54] <mterry> anpok, yeah looks like it never marks your session as ready to display
[14:55] <mhr3> mhall119, cool, perhaps play a bit with the css box for the code so it has scrollbars instead of overflowing
[14:55] <anpok> ok maybe it did not provide a surface yet..
[14:56] <anpok> mterry: my idea was to reorder the surface hide/show calls in a way that you never get an intermediate scene state to show up on screen.. my naive attempt to just lock the scene just seemed to cause dead lock..
[14:58] <mhall119> mhr3: I'll try, but doxygen produces weird markup there
[14:58] <mhall119> mhr3: bigger priority is figuring out where to put the non-member functions from the namespace...
[14:59] <paulliu> tsdgeos: hi.. https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/fix-lazyimage1/+merge/211728
[14:59] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: hud service still 100% :/
[15:00] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: can you get me a stacktrace again? I just don't understand where it could be
[15:00] <tsdgeos> sure let me see
[15:00] <tsdgeos> paulliu: ok
[15:01] <mterry> anpok, yeah I looked into scene:lock and that's what it does
[15:01] <mterry> locks a mutex
[15:01] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, I was poking with the logic to transition to an awesome feature :)
[15:01] <didrocks> Saviq: so yeah, we should
[15:02] <Saviq> didrocks, ok, me readies the silo
[15:02] <mterry> anpok, I saw your ideas in that MP, but didn't get around to testing them yet
[15:02] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7151579/
[15:02] <anpok> mterry: thought so, with the amount of branches you are playing atm
[15:03] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: let me see if i install debug symbols for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdbusmenu-qt5.so.2
[15:03] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: well that makes no sense to me at all! all the threads are on poll
[15:03] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: i guess the 1 is just looping like mad
[15:03] <tsdgeos> let me add a few breakpoints
[15:03] <Saviq> didrocks, think we should do some version bumping and >= depending there?
[15:04] <Saviq> didrocks, silo for row 45 please
[15:05] <didrocks> Saviq: we dep on the new suru-icon-theme package which is enough to express this incompatibility, but yeah, as the theme needs to be enabled by the toolkit now, we shold
[15:05] <didrocks> Saviq: so bumping unity8 and uitk
[15:05] <Saviq> didrocks, ok, let me push some bumps
[15:05] <didrocks> or only uitk rather
[15:05] <didrocks> and having unity8 dep on the new uitk
[15:05] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: it has to be some specific Qt application that you're running that causes this
[15:06] <pete-woods> it could even be that it's crashed / killed maybe?
[15:07] <tsdgeos> it could sure
[15:07] <tsdgeos> strace says it's polling like mad
[15:08] <pete-woods> hmm
[15:08] <tsdgeos> ok fd 10
[15:08]  * tsdgeos checks what's fd 10
[15:08] <pete-woods> :)
[15:08] <tsdgeos> lrwx------ 1 tsdgeos_work tsdgeos_work 64 mar 25 09:09 10 -> socket:[17191]
[15:08] <tsdgeos> not really helpful :D
[15:08] <pete-woods> ha!
[15:08] <pete-woods> is there not a way to see what has that socket opened?
[15:09] <tsdgeos> poll([{fd=10, events=POLLIN}], 1, 18793) = 1 ([{fd=10, revents=POLLIN}])
[15:09] <tsdgeos>  fwiw
[15:09] <tsdgeos> is what strace says
[15:10] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: not sure tbh
[15:10] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: can you try closing the apps you have open one by one?
[15:10] <pete-woods> while looking at top or something like that
[15:10] <tsdgeos> sure
[15:15] <Saviq> didrocks, done
[15:16]  * didrocks looks at row 45
[15:18] <didrocks> Saviq: the uitk team is fine with you MP?
[15:18] <didrocks> Saviq: I know they want it to be top approved
[15:18] <Saviq> didrocks, will be easier to get the top ack with a silo
[15:18] <didrocks> otherwise all changes looks good to me
[15:18] <didrocks> ok
[15:18] <Saviq> didrocks, just noticed urgency=medium
[15:18] <Saviq> didrocks, that matters?
[15:18] <Saviq> didrocks, not sure why dch decided to change that...
[15:19] <didrocks> Saviq: silo 008
[15:19] <didrocks> Saviq: the priority changed by default on trusty
[15:19] <Saviq> didrocks, oh ok
[15:19] <didrocks> basically, the few bonus points you get on launchpad for build priority is not important :)
[15:20] <Saviq> didrocks, btw, you're not in #sdk on irc.c.c, that's where we're talking with timp about that branch
[15:21] <didrocks> Saviq: coming and ping me if I'm needed
[15:22] <Saviq> k
[15:22] <didrocks> (even if the discussion should be there IMHO)
[15:28] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you have a phone with latest image running?
[15:33] <Saviq> greyback, bug #1297350 if you could have a quick look, I think we saw it before, it happens consistently for me now when stopping unity8 - I think with a running app
[15:34] <greyback> Saviq: ok
[15:36] <mzanetti> josharenson: we're in Product Stragegy -> engineering -> standup
[15:36] <mzanetti> ah :)
[15:37] <mterry> kgunn, if you wouldn't mind kicking off a rebuild of unity8 in silo 004, that would be swell
[15:44] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: killed all apps and was still at 100% :-(
[15:45] <kgunn> mterry: ack...did you add the indicator-sound mp ?
[15:45] <kgunn> if not can you point it out to me ?
[15:45] <kgunn> greyback: can you join real quick
[15:45] <kgunn> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/a2V2aW4uZ3VubkBjYW5vbmljYWwuY29t.2k4udqa2ovs931siq3b5fprgkc
[15:45] <kgunn> greyback: ...new thots on qt5.2 issue
[15:45] <mterry> kgunn, no..  so that was ~mterry/indicator-sound/greeter-volume I believe
[15:45] <greyback> kgunn: okies
[15:49] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: Saviq: meh. right-edge-2 works on the phone too now (after fixing the inital mistake from the merge)
[15:49] <mzanetti> both still broken for me with fakeappman
[15:49] <mzanetti> greyback: jfi ^^ - Triggering a rebuild now
[15:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: easy one https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/make_Recent_translatable/+merge/212651
[15:54] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: dammit, I think I'm going to put in a safety valve in that openMenu function
[15:54] <pete-woods> so that it just won't loop more than say 500 times, something like that
[15:56] <tsdgeos> mterry: so Mir 0.1.18 is actually needed?
[15:57] <mterry> tsdgeos, yes and no.   It was needed for a bug fix that doesn't appear to actually work.  So it + more bug fixes will be needed.  But you can skip it now for testing
[15:57] <tsdgeos> hmmmmok
[15:57] <mterry> tsdgeos, without those fixes, screen will turn back on after you turn it off
[15:57] <tsdgeos> mterry: because you say "use the silo to get mir"
[15:57] <tsdgeos> but then you say i don't need it :D
[15:58] <mterry> tsdgeos, well, using the silo is easiest.  you get mir without the hassle.  But if you don't use silo, don't bother with mir
[15:59] <tsdgeos> mterry: well i think using the silo is correct, but then we should make sure the dependencies listed is what will happen when silo-ed and merged
[15:59] <tsdgeos> not sure if i'm being extra-pedantic :D
[16:00] <mterry> tsdgeos, that's fair
[16:07] <tsdgeos> mterry: you missed adding the signals for the setEdges thing
[16:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, it's updated...
[16:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, I mean emitted in Update() calls
[16:09] <tsdgeos> mterry: sure, but why not in the set?
[16:09] <tsdgeos> you're changing it
[16:09] <tsdgeos> you should emit the changed signal, no?
[16:10] <mterry> tsdgeos, hmm.   It seems like an intentional choice on my part but I'm not sure why right now.  Will test
[16:15] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:19] <Saviq> didrocks, kick unity8 armhf build please https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-008/+build/5848957 ?
[16:19] <Saviq> didrocks, uitk is built alreday
[16:19] <mterry> tsdgeos, ah!
[16:20] <mterry> tsdgeos, set() methods update AccountsService daemon and the update() call from hearing that change confirms that it succeeded before emitting
[16:21] <mterry> tsdgeos, nope that's not true either
[16:21] <tsdgeos> ok :D
[16:23] <kgunn> mterry: so i was about to reconfig the silo 4 for indicator-sound....is that the only package that needs updating ? (e.g. i can target build that...)
[16:23] <mterry> kgunn, unity8 could use a rebuild
[16:23] <mterry> kgunn, but indicator-sound is only new package
[16:26] <kgunn> ack
[16:26] <kgunn> will target those 2 mterry
[16:38] <mterry> MacSlow, can you come to the hangout?
[16:39] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/hud/dbusmenu-safety-valve/+merge/212668
[16:39] <pete-woods> do you mind using that as your main HUD install for a while to see if it helps?
[16:40] <MacSlow> mterry, ehm... hold on
[16:40] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: where will it write stuff, do you know?
[16:41] <MacSlow> mterry, which?
[16:41] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: in the upstart log (~/.cache/upstart/hud.log)
[16:41] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:41] <MacSlow> mterry, got it
[16:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can't get it to crash either :/
[16:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, craps
[16:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, how about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1262711 ?
[16:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not today
[16:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but just report on the bug that you couldn't reproduce it
[16:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the above one I got every 2-3 runs on desktop now
[16:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it probably makes sense to try with https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/remove-albumart-provider/+merge/212622
[16:48] <Saviq> as I expect this crash to happen in that provider
[16:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, let's try both with and without
[16:48] <tsdgeos> to see if it goes away
[16:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right, yeah
[16:51] <mhr3> Saviq, \o/ https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/no-more-unity-core/+merge/212674
[16:52] <Saviq> mhr3, nice changecount :D
[16:52] <Saviq> 7076 lines (+44/-6051) ;D
[16:52] <mhr3> heh
[16:55] <mhr3> Saviq, the albumart branch didn't land in uitk yet
[16:55] <mhr3> so.. :/
[16:57] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah yeah, I know
[17:04] <didrocks> Saviq: built btw
[17:04] <Saviq> didrocks, ok, let's land it tomorrow, we need design eyes on it, too
[17:06]  * Saviq eod
[17:06] <Saviq> p/
[17:06] <Saviq> ↑ /me has a problem with the right arm apparently..
[17:13] <didrocks> Saviq: sure
[17:30] <MacSlow> Saviq, i'm just testing the 015 and wonder where the "known OSK bugs" and "preview journey" are listed (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/Unity8)
[17:31] <MacSlow> didrocks, ^ or maybe you know
[17:31] <MacSlow> Saviq, eod then
[17:37] <didrocks> MacSlow: question for Saviq I guess, he wrote the testplan
[17:39] <MacSlow> didrocks, not needed atm... I ran into issues with the right-edge branch... :/
[17:39] <MacSlow> it looked so good... pushed it really hard
[17:44] <om26er> mzanetti, which ppa has the new right-edge switcher ? + latest unity release.
[17:44] <mzanetti> om26er: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-015/
[17:45] <om26er> great
[18:07] <dpm> hi all, could someone give us a hand with bug 1297397 ? We're trying to update the scopes tutorial on d.u.c and the scopes tool seems to be failing on a missing symbol
[18:07] <dpm> thostr_, would you have an idea what could be going on with that bug? ^
[18:48] <Cimi> @unity you know how to debug an app/instance?
[18:49] <Cimi> I want to debug the welcome wizard, which loads outside unity (before everything)
[18:49] <mzanetti> Cimi: depends...
[18:50] <mzanetti> Cimi: do you need to be started by upstart or can you just log in and launch it manually?
[18:50] <mterry> Cimi, can you set MIR_SOCKET=/tmp/mir_socket to connect to USC and debug via gdb ?
[18:50] <Cimi> I'll try
[18:52] <thostr_1> dpm: are you sure you're having the proper version of 0mq?
[18:52] <thostr_1> dpm: or having 0mq installed at all?
[18:53] <Cimi> mzanetti, I can try launching it manually
[18:54] <dpm> thostr_1, I cannot reproduce the issue, kyleN is the original reporter. What package provides 0mq. Is it http://paste.ubuntu.com/7152574/ ?
[18:54] <dpm> we both seem to have it installed
[18:57] <dpm> ah, I found it, it's libzmq3
[18:57] <dpm> libzmqpp3 are the C++ bindings only
[18:58] <dpm> kyleN, do you have libzmq3 installed?
[18:58] <kyleN> dpm: yes
[18:58] <kyleN> $ apt-cache policy libzmq3
[18:58] <kyleN> libzmq3:
[18:58] <kyleN>   Installed: 4.0.3+dfsg-1
[18:59] <dpm> same here
[19:05] <Cimi> mzanetti, mterry this is what I get when I ran it from adb shell http://paste.ubuntu.com/7152659/
[19:05] <mterry> Cimi, try launching it through the wrapper script ubuntu-touch-session to setup QT_QPA env and grid units and such
[19:06] <mterry> Cimi, launch in this order ideally: ubuntu-touch-session gdb wizard
[19:06] <mterry> (so gdb doesn't get confused by shell script)
[19:06] <Cimi> module "Unity.Application" is not installed
[19:07] <Cimi> ok
[19:07] <Cimi> let me try
[19:07] <Cimi> mterry, I think I need an include or so?
[19:08] <mterry> Cimi, on the device you're getting that?
[19:08] <mterry> Cimi, that's installed by unity-jmir
[19:08] <mterry> Cimi, maybe you need to set qt include env vars
[19:08] <mzanetti> Cimi: not sure what other stuff the script does and whether its required, but that particular one can be fixed also by exporting QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntumir
[19:09] <mzanetti> Cimi: do you need to run this as root?
[19:09] <Cimi> nope
[19:10] <mzanetti> then you might want to start things through ssh, as user. that should set up all the stuff for you
[19:18] <Cimi> mzanetti, ubuntumirclient or ubuntumirserver?
[19:20] <mzanetti> Cimi: hmm, good questions. again, depends. if this starts before unity8 it probably has its own mirserver, or is it connecting to usc?
[19:20] <Cimi> mmm weird
[19:20] <Cimi> if I run it as root
[19:22] <Cimi> it cannot find unity application
[19:22] <Cimi> as user it hangs
[19:22] <Cimi> mzanetti, ^
[19:24] <mzanetti> QML2_IMPORT_PATH to load unity.application
[19:24] <mzanetti> but I don't know what exactly you want to do...
[19:30] <Cimi> mzanetti, run system-settings-wizard :)
[19:31] <mzanetti> Cimi: yeah, but I don't know anything about it. Is it qml only, is it c++, do you want to debug a crash, or just some rendering issue
[19:31] <mzanetti> ...
[19:31] <Cimi> mzanetti, it has a main.cpp
[19:32] <Cimi> mzanetti, apart from that, rest of app is qml
[19:32] <mzanetti> and what do you want to debug? something wrong in that main.cpp?
[19:33] <mzanetti> otherwise, why don't you just fire up the qml file in a qmlscene?
[19:33] <mzanetti> but again, depends...
[19:33] <Cimi> mzanetti, it needs some other bits in main.cpp
[19:33] <Cimi> mzanetti, custom objects
[19:37] <Cimi> mzanetti, still doesn't work
[19:37] <Cimi> mzanetti, QML2_IMPORT_PATH=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/unity8/qml/ system-settings-wizard
[19:40] <mzanetti> Cimi: wrong module path
[19:40] <mzanetti>  /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/
[19:40] <mzanetti> I think
[19:41] <mzanetti> and /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/imports/Unity-Mir/
[19:41] <mzanetti> the latter one is the one containing the applicationmanager
[19:46] <Cimi> mzanetti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7152872/
[19:47] <tedg> mterry, I installed your silo, I can't seem to get music to play, either in the scope or in the music app.
[19:47] <mterry> curious
[19:47] <mterry> tedg, that was working relatively recently
[19:48] <tedg> Yeah, I tested audio a couple days ago on this device, so I'm reasonable sure it worked before your silo.
[19:49] <mterry> tedg, it worked with my silo too.  Let me see what's happening
[19:50] <tedg> mterry, Huh, I rebooted and it's happy now :-/
[19:51] <greyback> Cimi: you could try attaching to the existing process: "sudo gdb -p `pidof $app-executable`"
[19:51] <greyback> note the backticks
[19:53] <mterry> tedg, yeah works for me...
[19:54] <tedg> mterry, K, I figure out how to recreate I'll ping you. Seems I can't make it happen now.
[19:54] <mterry> tedg, I'm noticing that the indicator-sound's phone_greeter has a mute button but phone does not
[19:54] <tedg> mterry, Ah, K, that's a flag
[19:57] <mterry> fginther, heyo!  When you get a chance, I'd like an eyeball on https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/unlock-script/+merge/212170
[19:58] <mterry> anpok, so you tried messing around with the USC hide/show stuff from my branch?  And you said you had no luck?
[19:59] <anpok> no couldnt get as far untill now
[19:59] <anpok> kgunn gave me the details about the silo
[19:59] <anpok> now I am messing with it:)
[20:00] <fginther> mterry, will do.
[20:00] <anpok> but as far as i can tell my proposal does not improve it
[20:00] <tedg> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-sound/phone-greeter-mute/+merge/212721
[20:02] <mterry>  anpok, bummer
[20:03] <mterry> kgunn, did you ever re-kick unity8 in silo 004?  I want to toss it to the designers
[20:03] <kgunn> mterry: it had some trouble in reconfig...
[20:03] <kgunn> been trying a while...
[20:03] <kgunn> i think its fixed, building now
[20:04] <kgunn> its just indicator-sound and unity8...so shouldn't be long (fingers crossed)
[20:04] <anpok> seems like something else is happening that makes it attempt to show session-0
[20:04] <anpok> will spend some more minutes on it
[20:09] <anpok> mterry: what is the different between next and active session?
[20:09] <anpok> *difference
[20:10] <mterry> anpok, active is what should be on top of z order.   next is what should be right underneath
[20:11] <mterry> anpok, consider Touch case, where the greeter wants to sit on top of session (so it can show it underneath when you drag greeter aside)
[20:11] <anpok> oh then it happens because of the order of calls.. we first get next_session(session-0) -> which disables spinner and raises unity8 then we get set_active_session(greeter-x) and that one gets the focus..
[20:12] <anpok> so we raise the session-0 over the spinner / hide the spinner and then greeter comes in in the next frame
[20:13] <anpok> ah ok I think.. we could keep spinner on
[20:15] <mterry> kgunn, is there a way to find out what bzr version a package in a silo corresponds to?
[20:16] <mterry> anpok, well lightdm generally gives us the next and active session names before they are actually ready to be displayed.  And we queue them up until they have  frames to render
[20:22] <kgunn> mterry: what do you mean exactly? ....there is a build log as part of the packages ?
[20:24] <mterry> kgunn, well I was curious what revision of my unity8 split branch the PPA is at
[20:25] <mterry> kgunn, I don't see that in the log?
[20:25] <mterry> And I'd be surprised if it were, since this question is a pre-build one
[20:26] <kgunn> mterry:  do you actually mean the version of bzr itself ?
[20:27] <mterry> kgunn, naw.  Like, I was making some changes in my split branch in response to Albert's review comments.  And I was just curious if those made it into the PPA when you re-spun it
[20:28] <kgunn> ...oh, itd strictly be time
[20:28] <mterry> kgunn, doesn't seem like I can find that out from the PPA package versions
[20:28] <kgunn> timestamps right
[20:28] <kgunn> mterry: well the build logs do have that at the top....
[20:28] <kgunn> 2014-03-25 20:00:16,995 INFO Adding indicator-sound MP(s) to prepare
[20:28] <kgunn> 2014-03-25 20:00:17,603 INFO Adding unity8 MP(s) to prepare
[20:29] <kgunn> you could look at that against your last push timestamp
[20:30] <mterry> kgunn, interesting...  maybe we're looking at different build logs.  I was looking at (say) i386 build log for unity8 in PPA
[20:30] <mterry> kgunn, sounds like you're looking at a silo log?
[20:30] <kgunn> yes
[20:30] <kgunn> which all logs remain there...until you clean the silo
[20:30] <kgunn> (like land it, merge it, clean it)
[20:31] <mterry> kgunn, can you link me the silo status page?  I don't know the dashboard url for 'em
[20:37]  * mterry reboots to test unity8 on desktop session post split
[20:40] <kgunn> mterry: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-004-1-build/
[20:55] <kgunn> mterry: new packages are there for indicator-sound and unity8
[20:56] <mterry> kgunn, swell!  Thanks


[03:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: How New Mexico State University accelerates compliant federal research with Ubuntu @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/how-new-mexico-state-university-accelerates-compliant-federal-research-with-ubuntu
[03:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: Why use Microsoft Edge on Linux @ https://popey.com/blog/2023/08/why-use-microsoft-edge-on-linux/
[03:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Closing the Gap: Ubuntu Pro in the AWS Shared Responsibility Model @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-pro-in-the-aws-shared-responsibility-model
[11:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Regolith Desktop 3.0 Released with Initial Wayland Support @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/08/regolith-desktop-3-0-released-with-initial-wayland-support


[08:09] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[08:32] <popey> Good morning!
[08:40] <dholbach> hey dpm, ara, popey, salut davidcalle
[08:40] <dholbach> hey ahayzen
[08:41] <ahayzen> dholbach, o/
[08:41] <dpm> happy Friday everyone :)
[08:41] <dholbach> and the same to you :)
[08:41] <ahayzen> \o/
[08:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, you're probably still heads down in scopes - do you know our plans for landing https://code.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/show-gadgetsnap-images/+merge/277089?
[08:41] <ara> hey dholbach!
[08:42] <dholbach> or do we need a review from mhall119 for that MP?
[09:14] <popey> dholbach, when you get a chance, I have pushed new terminal and file manager to the click store which need review. Thanks!
[09:17]  * popey updates the community team (bi)-weekly update doc nice and early for once :)
[09:20] <dholbach> sure, taking a look now
[09:25] <dholbach> done
[09:34] <popey> dholbach, thank you!
[09:38] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'll file a new RT to land it today, looks good to go
[09:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:02] <davidcalle> Hey czajkowski
[10:03]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[10:03] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[10:12] <czajkowski> HAPPY FRIDAY!
[10:33] <nigelb> Oh no.
[10:33] <nigelb> It's a Friday already?!
[10:50] <popey> \o/
[13:45] <balloons_> Morning
[13:50] <popey> hello!
[13:50] <popey> you have a tail!
[13:52] <Pici> its a string
[13:58] <popey> balloons_, when you wake, could you please take a look at shorts jenkins? https://code.launchpad.net/~mrqtros/ubuntu-rssreader-app/uitk13-few-fixes/+merge/275625
[14:01] <balloons_> popey, pre req has to land
[14:01] <balloons_> https://code.launchpad.net/~qqworini/ubuntu-rssreader-app/uitk-1_3/+merge/275620
[14:11] <popey> balloons_, can that re-run on new jenkins? (the second one)
[14:12] <dholbach> dpm, weekly summary updated
[14:12] <dpm> awesome, thanks!
[14:16] <balloons_> Yep it's running
[14:20] <balloons> popey, jenkins passed it
[14:21] <popey> yay
[14:21] <popey> thanks
[14:22] <czajkowski> always nice when jenkins is nice and does that for you :)
[14:44] <mhall119> pleia2: is http://mhall119.com/2015/11/your-donations-at-work/ worth reposting on the fridge, or in UWN?
[15:15] <pleia2> mhall119: yeah to both, if no one else gets to it, i will put on fridge when i'm back to my computer
[15:16] <mhall119> pleia2: no rush, wake up and get your coffee first :)
[15:16] <mhall119> oh wait, are you still on US/Eastern time?
[15:17] <mhall119> though I don't suppose it matters, I'm still waking up and getting my coffee :/
[15:21] <dholbach> all right then... I call it a day a bit earlier today - have a great weekend and see you on Monday!
[15:21]  * dholbach hugs you all
[15:53] <dpm> mhall119, http://imgur.com/zvOA6mp
[15:54] <dpm> I now just need to figure out how to dump the database to make it more juju-able for a new deployment
[15:55] <dpm> jcastro, that was with the python-django plugin and the help from the #juju folks last night ^
[15:55] <mhall119> dpm: looks nice
[15:56] <mhall119> dpm: "fixtures" are the Django was of shipping initialization data
[15:56] <jcastro> \o/
[15:58] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, I know about the concept, but I've never tried it. I'll give it a go in a few minutes.
[17:09] <davidcalle> @all, have a nice weekend o/
[17:09] <meetingology> davidcalle: Error: "all," is not a valid command.
[17:09] <nigelb> haha
[17:10] <popey> o/
[17:10] <popey> what's that bot doing in here!?
[17:10] <popey> we never have meetings here
[17:10] <davidcalle> meetingology, I hate you too
[17:10] <meetingology> davidcalle: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
[17:11] <davidcalle> Oh well...
[17:38] <dpm> mhall119, what do I need to get the raw HTML plugin working for ubucon? I think when I started this I picked the code from an old version of d.u.c, so I'm not sure I've got the right files
[17:42] <popey> balloons, T-139 minutes!
[17:42] <balloons> popey, I know.. I keep checking my mail, lol
[17:42] <popey> :)
[17:43] <mhall119> dpm: developer_portal/cms_plugins.py is what you need
[17:43] <mhall119> and the raw.html template file it references also
[17:47] <dpm> mhall119, ah, great, I can see it. I think  developer_portal/views.py is also probably needed, right?
[17:47] <mhall119> not for the plugin, I don't think
[17:47] <dpm> err, models.py, I meant
[17:48] <dpm> it's got a RawHtml class
[17:58] <mhall119> ah,yes, that you'll need
[18:00] <mhall119> dpm: the sponsor brochure is done with the exception of pricing from Richard and anything that legal wants to add (I expect at least a terms & conditions page from them)
[18:01] <mhall119> I've added a form and contact details for Abi
[18:02] <mhall119> oh, also the party & social event descriptions once we know them
[18:49] <dpm> excellent, thanks mhall119
[18:50] <dpm> balloons, I've noticed the video on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/quality does not play anymore (shows "YouTube Error (2)"). Has the original video been taken down?
[18:52] <balloons> dpm, let me look
[19:03] <balloons> so no, the link is broken somehow
[19:03] <balloons> the video is there, I'll fix it
[19:08] <balloons> it won't let me save :-(
[19:08] <balloons> the link should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En1MaDDp9_8
[19:09] <popey> just replace the embed code
[19:09] <popey> it's using the old flash embed, use the new html5 one
[19:09] <popey> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/En1MaDDp9_8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
[19:10] <popey> oh, djangocms embed :S
[19:15] <mhall119> popey: is the cms being "helpful" agian?
[19:15] <popey> :)
[19:15] <mhall119> will rawhtml plugin do the trick?
[19:15] <popey> I opened the edit page, saw a line at the top with a django cms and closed the tab
[19:15] <popey> could do.
[19:20] <balloons> any luck?
[19:28] <balloons> argggh, why won't it let me save anything
[19:39] <balloons> wait, it's showing up for me now
[19:39] <balloons> weird
[19:41] <balloons> I think it's ok now
[19:42] <balloons> and yes, mhall119, we still need html5 video
[19:42] <balloons> mhall119, have you tried using the rawhtml plugin?
[19:57] <dpm> balloons, it's showing for me too now
[20:00] <popey> balloons, refresh the code in page
[20:01] <popey> We're in!
[20:01] <dpm> ahahah, nice one! \o/
[20:04] <popey> That's a spectacularly great end to the week!
[20:05] <popey> jose, check your email ;)
[20:07] <popey> balloons, jose we should catch up on monday and start planning out how we're going to manage this. :)
[20:12] <jose> woooooo we're in!
[20:12] <jose> \o/
[20:13] <popey> Upboat! https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3sp96q/google_codein_organisations_announced_including/ :)
[20:13]  * popey deliberately spelled organisations correctly ;)
[20:13] <popey> Thanks for your efforts to get us bootstrapped jose, you should reply to the thread on the mailing list to let everyone know we're in!
[20:14] <jose> will do!
[20:14] <czajkowski> well done folks
[20:15] <popey> This is _so_ exciting!
[20:18] <jose> actually made my day
[20:19] <dpm> ok, have an extra fantastic weekend, see you next week! :-)
[20:29] <popey> jose, yeah, same here!


[13:57] <dstarh> anyone know to what location upstart will log errors when it fails to start the application it's attempting to start?
[13:58] <dstarh> taking a script from https://gist.github.com/dstarh/62e9b5f7fb10e821ae72  to https://gist.github.com/dstarh/a76eba3a3673d9c49b4e so I can redirect where stderr goes and it won't start with the second script
[19:11] <gansbrest> hi. is there a way to delay start event in upstart. If my process needs more time to bootstrap, pull some things ( docker example, when it runs - it needs to pull image from the registry and only then start it ). All other dependent services needs to be notified only after serivce was fully started, not only the process
[19:50] <JanC> you can emit a custom event
[19:51] <JanC> or do all the preparing in a pre-start
[20:53] <joshumax> Hi. I had a question regarding the future of upstart and upstart maintenance/security patches... Now that systemd is replacing upstart on Ubuntu, will the Upstart team still maintain Upstart for the foreseeable future?
[22:04] <JanC> joshumax: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with upstart has 5 years of support, so the foreseeable future is at least until April 2019
[22:57] <gansbrest> is there a way to start a service on multiple events
[22:57] <gansbrest> like if I emit custom events from my services A B C
[22:57] <gansbrest> and I want service D to depend on A B C custom events
[23:37] <joshumax> JanC: Thanks, that gives me plenty of time to switch over