[00:09] <filo1234> oh is gone :( pm-powersave maybe was his goal
[00:32] <Squidy> hello.. I'm trying to install ubuntu server 10.04 using preseed methods.. however, when the installer is installing the base system.. it stops with an error message about kernel override 'linux-server' not present...  Do you know how to fix that?
[04:47] <scubes13> I inherited an ubuntu fiesty server…. I am trying to download the linux-headers for 2.6.22-16-server but us.archive.ubuntu.com fiesty seems to be no more… is there somewhere else I may get those updates?
[04:49] <dork> scubes13: that's some old shit
[04:49]  * scubes13 nods :(
[04:54] <qman__> very, very old
[04:54] <qman__> you're honestly better off installing a new one and migrating the services
[04:54] <qman__> that's like, three distribution upgrades from lucid, and six from oneric
[04:55] <qman__> and no, you won't find feisty or gutsy repos online
[04:55] <scubes13> they're running a much older civicrm install on the same box with custom db.. guess I will just have to dupe the server and see if I can migrate
[04:56] <qman__> only way to upgrade it at this point is to find the alternate CDs and upgrade from them
[04:56] <scubes13> ok, thanks dork  ad qman__
[04:57] <qman__> those versions are nearly 3 years past EOL at this point
[04:58] <qman__> which is why you should always use LTS for this sort of thing
[04:58] <qman__> hardy's still in support for a little while, and the upgrade path should be available for a while longer
[04:59] <scubes13> yah, will be attempting to move the civicrm install and db to a 10.04 box
[04:59] <scubes13> and will then have to deal with upgrading those apps
[04:59]  * scubes13 sigh
[09:28] <Kartagis> hi
[09:28] <Kartagis> I am trying to start dovecot, no ssl is mentioned in the conf file, and yet the startup error says I do. what to do?
[09:45] <Kartagis> I am trying to start dovecot, no ssl is mentioned in the conf file, and yet the startup error says I do. what to do?
[10:02] <Randolph> hi all
[12:05] <linocisco> hi  we have TP-link wifi CPE and we are offering internet through WiFi . Some paid users are illegally sharing wifi link with home routers. We can't see that sharing from wifi console if they are sharing again with WiFi router in the each home.
[12:06] <RoyK> linocisco: no, you can't
[12:06] <RoyK> linocisco: because it's NATed
[12:07] <RoyK> some ISPs here (in Norway) used to have that sort of rubbish policy 'only one user per internet connection', but they have eventually given up
[12:08] <RoyK> now they're trying to move people over to 'wireless broadband' as in 3G or 4G where they charge per download amount
[12:09]  * RoyK has a 60Gbps fiber link at home and shares it with some neighbors without anyone complaining
[12:10] <RoyK> :)
[12:25] <air_> RoyK: yay
[12:35]  * RoyK corrects that to a 60Mbps link :P
[13:31] <mah454> How can understand what user's is online in LDAP ?
[13:57] <^^robertj> howdy all, is there a way to see what options were compiled into the packaged kernel I'm running?
[13:59] <RoyK> ^^robertj: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[14:01] <^^robertj> RoyK, bah, I forgot I'm _not_ running a packaged kernel :( this is a xen vm instance on linode
[14:01] <RoyK> ^^robertj: check if there's a /proc/config.gz
[14:01]  * RoyK slaps uvirtbot
[14:02] <^^robertj> RoyK, that works great ,thx
[14:02] <robertj> there
[14:02] <RoyK> not your fault - it's just that stupid bot thinks ^ is a command key, which it shouldn't be so long as nicks can start with that character
[14:02] <nouitfvf> ^^help
[14:03] <RoyK> ^guide
[14:03] <RoyK> !guide
[14:03] <nouitfvf> ^help
[15:52] <jehoshua02> I'm using a variable in a grep statement that contains asterisks. These asterisks expand to the names of files in the current directory, hindering the grep statement from working like I want. Any ideas?
[15:52] <RoyK> \*
[15:52] <RoyK> or '*'
[15:53] <RoyK> jehoshua02: it's the shell doing the expansion, not grep
[15:53] <jehoshua02> RoyK: I know.
[15:53] <RoyK> so escape the *
[15:54] <RoyK> either \* or perhaps double - \\* if single doesn't work
[15:54] <RoyK> or triple - \\\\*
[15:54] <RoyK> :P
[15:54] <jehoshua02> RoyK: That would be fine, but the content I'm grepping is automatically generated. I'm not editing it by hand.
[15:55] <RoyK> jehoshua02: then use sed or awk or something :)
[15:55] <RoyK> jehoshua02: it'd be easier to help you if you could pastebin the code you're having problems with
[15:55] <RoyK> !pastebin
[16:02] <jehoshua02> RoyK: here ya go: https://gist.github.com/1360729
[16:03] <jehoshua02> To make things more complicated, I put a variable in the SEARCH... let me update it for that too.
[16:07] <jehoshua02> Any ideas? https://gist.github.com/1360729
[16:25] <RoyK> jehoshua02: erm - I don't quite get it
[16:25] <Randolph> is there a command line to see only a zombie process ?
[16:26] <RoyK> Randolph: ps axf|grep Z is a nice start :)
[16:27] <RoyK> and some awk magick to search only column $3 should do it
[16:27] <lenios> ps -el | grep 'Z'
[16:28] <Randolph> RoyK, thank it is OK, I am stupid, it was so simple ...
[16:31] <RoyK> jehoshua02: as for that script, I think I would have chosen to write it in something else - shell scripting is very basic...
[16:31] <Randolph> so the process was zmlogger on my ubuntu server 10.04
[16:32] <RoyK> Randolph: imho zimbra should always run on a dedicated server or vm
[16:32] <Randolph> RoyK, that's the case
[16:32] <RoyK> that's the official zimbra recommendation as well...
[16:32] <RoyK> ah - ok
[16:32] <Randolph> I know it
[16:33] <RoyK> which zimbra version?
[16:33] <jehoshua02> RoyK: hmm... the eventual goal is to pipe the filtered output to another cli utility.
[16:33] <Randolph> RoyK, <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:33] <Randolph> RoyK, sorry 7.0.3
[16:33]  * RoyK is still on zimbra 6 on hardy...
[16:33] <RoyK> jehoshua02: use perl :)
[16:33] <Randolph> RoyK, sorry
[16:34] <RoyK> or python or php or - whatever :)
[16:34] <Randolph> RoyK, i made à mistake with my keyboard, it is 7.1.3
[16:34] <RoyK> np
[16:34] <jehoshua02> RoyK: python and php are installed. I know PHP well enough I should be able to come up with something, although I've never used it for anything other than web development.
[16:35] <jehoshua02> I give it a whirl.
[16:35] <Randolph> RoyK, I have made some updates and I have done a reboot my server (my own server not a production server, I am not crazy ;)  )
[16:36] <Randolph> RoyK, after reboot the zmlogger was in a zombie state
[16:38] <RoyK> jehoshua02: oh
[16:38] <RoyK> Randolph: sure it wasn't initialising something?
[16:39] <Randolph> RoyK, I do not think so because it was late after restarting
[16:39] <jehoshua02> RoyK: I was also trying to avoid strange workarounds in this bash script that I'm putting together for use on various machines.
[16:43] <RoyK> jehoshua02: do you have test file for me - lines.txt?
[16:43] <Randolph> RoyK, look at this , just before zmloggerctl restart : 1986 ?        Z      0:00  \_ [zmlogger] <defunct>
[16:43] <jehoshua02> well, strange as in requiring too many utilities outside of bash.
[16:43] <RoyK> Randolph: dunno - ask on #zimbra - it may even be ok
[16:43] <jehoshua02> Yeah, both files should be there: https://gist.github.com/1360729
[16:44] <RoyK> ah
[16:44] <Randolph> RoyK, OK sorry, but it was not really a question
[16:45] <RoyK> jehoshua02: cat $FILE | grep -i -v "$SEARCH" - or grep -iv "$SEARCH" $FILE
[16:45] <RoyK> remember those double quotes
[16:46] <jehoshua02> RoyK: I've been playing around with the quotes...
[16:46] <RoyK> jehoshua02: also, if you want a direct grep without wildchars, try fgrep
[16:46] <RoyK> fastgrep - doesn't allow wildchars
[16:47] <RoyK> well, doesn't use them anyway
[16:47] <jehoshua02> good to know.
[16:47] <RoyK> grep won't expand *, it'll treat it as part of a grep regexp
[16:47] <RoyK> fgrep won't
[16:50] <jehoshua02> just reallized my test file should have said line to match the SEARCH.
[16:50] <jehoshua02> I fixed it.
[16:50] <jehoshua02> Trying it again.
[16:55] <jehoshua02> Nice. fgrep seemed to do the trick.
[17:06] <RoyK> hm... I'm on a rather BAD link now, and so far I've only used virt-manager to manage my VMs - how can manage these from the console?
[17:16] <JanC> RoyK: there is virsh
[17:17] <RoyK> JanC: thanks
[17:17] <JanC> it's sort of a shell for libvirt management
[17:17] <RoyK> yeah, can see that :)
[17:18] <JanC> there are also some virt-* tools for image management etc.
[17:19] <JanC> RoyK: libvirt also has Python bindings, so you can script things yourself if needed
[17:20] <RoyK> seems python is about to take over whatever world perl used to dominate only a few years ago...
[17:24] <JanC> well, Python has been around for quite some time really  ;)
[17:25] <JanC> and there are also ocaml & rub bindings
[17:25] <JanC> ruby
[17:25] <RoyK> JanC: sure, but it hasn't really gained dominance before, say, the last 5 years or so?
[17:25] <RoyK> scipy+numpy is really neat, though
[17:26] <JanC> depends on your fields of interest, I guess
[17:26] <JanC> Python has always been huge in the graphics community
[17:27] <JanC> e.g. I think all the font editors (both commercial and open source) have supported Python scripting for years
[17:28] <RoyK> "Python 2.0 was released on 16 October 2000" <-- there wasn't much before that, was there?
[17:28] <JanC> (partially because Python's inventor's brother is a typographer and typography software developer :P )
[17:30] <RoyK> ah
[17:31] <JanC> RoyK: Just van Rossum is Guido van Rossum's brother... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_van_Rossum
[17:32] <RoyK> k
[17:35] <JanC> and they wrote some of the most popular add-ons for font design using python, and extensible with python (he probably used it because his brother designed it, but his use probably also influenced Guido for some language design decisions)
[17:35] <JanC> Python is also quite common in the 3D world
[17:36] <RoyK> some scientists at work have started to replace IDL and MATLAB with scipy - a bit more open and a wee bit cheaper :P
[17:36] <JanC> hehe
[17:36] <JanC> yeah, they have being around in that area for quite some time too
[17:36] <JanC> s/being/been/
[17:37] <JanC> although I think Perl was used in that area as well?
[17:37] <RoyK> yeah, but according to the people I've talked to at work, the progress is still high, in such that they can't use the lucid packages
[17:37] <RoyK> maybe - but perl deserves the name "pathologically eclectic rubbish lister" (although I have to confess I like it a bit)
[17:38] <JanC> there is actually a company building IDEs & libraries for scientists based on SciPy
[17:38] <JanC> and most of that is open source and in ubuntu
[17:38] <RoyK> erm - what's the name of that IDE again?
[17:38] <JanC> but as you say, they might be lacking the latest versiosn in the oficial repositories
[17:39] <JanC> the company is named Enthought
[17:40] <JanC> http://www.enthought.com/
[17:40] <RoyK> spyder is the one I'm thinking of
[17:41] <RoyK> JanC: strange - couldn't find it in the list here http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors
[17:42] <JanC> well, I'm not sure it's really a different editor
[17:43] <JanC> but they bundle up a lot of stuff + provide some of their own libraries
[18:05] <e-DIO-t> tira leva
[18:05] <e-DIO-t> wrong ch
[18:16] <jehoshua02> RoyK: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/878600/how-to-create-cronjob-using-bash/8106460#8106460
[22:03] <swharper> trying to configure a raid a fresh server install
[22:03] <swharper> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3136063/ubuntuinstall.jpg   <---current partition table
[22:03] <swharper> this hangs at boot though
[22:03] <swharper> i have 9 drives
[22:04] <swharper> 8 are for the raid, one for the OS
[22:05] <swharper> scsi23 is the usb disk with the server installer
[22:10] <twb> I bought a UPS and hooked it up to nut 2.4 (lucid); on Friday after I went home, it's status changed from OL to OL CAL.  What does the CAL mean?  Google is unhelpful.
[22:11] <twb> Secondly, it sat at 86±2% charge for a week, and when CAL came up, it dropped to 58%-ish -- if its on mains why isn't it charging to 100% ?
[22:12] <patdk-lap> bad batteries?
[22:12] <patdk-lap> cal probably means it's in calibration mode
[22:12] <twb> It's a new ups :-/
[22:12] <patdk-lap> but I could never find crap that nut supported so gave up on using nut
[22:13] <twb> Ah *calibration*
[22:13] <twb> patdk-lap: what do you use instead, wishful thinking? :P
[22:23] <swharper> anyhow know anything about raid configuration
[22:23] <swharper> ?
[22:24] <twb> swharper: mdadm?
[22:24] <matrix3000> yea
[22:24] <twb> !anyone
[22:24] <matrix3000> swharper, what are you trying to do with raid?
[22:24] <swharper> well im trying to set it up during the install
[22:25] <swharper> here is the current config (all drives below scsi9 are configured identically
[22:25] <swharper> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3136063/ubuntuinstall.jpg
[22:25] <swharper> im trying to partition these drives and still install the OS
[22:25] <swharper> but when I do, it hangs during boot
[22:26] <matrix3000> where does it hang at boot?
[22:27] <swharper> shit…VDI check i believe
[22:27] <swharper> if tahts the correct acronym
[22:28] <swharper> i want the OS installed on SCSI2
[22:28] <swharper> or 4, doesnt really matter
[22:29] <matrix3000> take that flash drive out
[22:29] <matrix3000> unplug it for the time being
[22:29] <matrix3000> what kind of raid are you trying to do?
[22:29] <matrix3000> RAID 1 with a RAID 5?
[22:31] <swharper> raid 6
[22:31] <swharper> its just a media share
[22:32] <swharper> the flash is the install .img
[22:32] <matrix3000> well SCSI2 and SCI4 are difference sizes than the others so im assuming that isn't raid
[22:33] <matrix3000> you want to use SCSI2 for your grub right
[22:33] <swharper> scsi 2 & 4 arent raid
[22:33] <matrix3000> you need to mark that as ext4 /
[22:33] <swharper> they're ext4
[22:33] <matrix3000> ok sweet
[22:33] <matrix3000> so SCSI2 needs ext 4 with a mount point /
[22:33] <swharper> scsi9,10…etc are raid
[22:33] <swharper> ok, yeah…it had a mount point before but when i installed it its now gone
[22:33] <swharper> ill try redoing it
[22:33] <matrix3000> and then mount point your RAID6 for /home or something
[22:34] <matrix3000> if you want the os on the SCSI2 your /boot needs to be on it i believe
[22:34] <matrix3000> that or /
[22:35] <swharper> i have it paritioned automatically now
[22:35] <swharper> which sets the mount point at /
[22:36] <swharper> what should the raid be set at
[22:36] <swharper> do not use?
[22:36] <swharper> swap?
[22:45] <patdk-lap> twb, normally I use two things, if apc, I just use the apc software
[22:45] <patdk-lap> if tripplite, I'll just use some scripts I wrote
[22:49] <matrix3000> swharper: i put swap on all the drives
[22:49] <swharper> k
[22:49] <swharper> its goin....
[22:50] <swharper> actually i bet it freezes at "starting up the partitioner"
[22:50] <swharper> right now sitting at 50%
[22:53] <erichammond> Opinions on the simplest/cleanest way to send an email message from the command line on a fresh Ubuntu server?  Installing postfix and feeding the message to /usr/sbin/sendmail seems heavy, though it does take only a couple lines which is important for this demo.
[22:54] <swharper> yeah i think its freezing at the partitioning
[22:54] <swharper> i dont get this
[23:01] <pmatulis> !ssmtp | erichammond
[23:01] <pmatulis> !find ssmtp
[23:01] <pmatulis> whatever, erichammond ⤴
[23:08] <patdk-lap> heh, any nullmailer would work
[23:08] <patdk-lap> they all have different features depending on if you need sasl auth, spooling, ...
[23:19] <erichammond> pmatulis: Thanks.  At first glance it looks like ssmtp requires a hardcoded upstream SMTP server.
[23:20] <erichammond> I'm hoping to be able to provide a generic example where somebody could run a script on a fresh Ubuntu instance on EC2 to send an email to themselves with the only parameter being their email address.
[23:23] <patdk-lap> erichammond, ya, they all will require a smtp relay host, unless you run a full blown email server
[23:26] <swharper> wait….actually it may be building the array
[23:26] <swharper> the lights are flickering
[23:26] <swharper> how long, roughly, would it take to create this partition?
[23:26] <swharper> 6tb raid 6
[23:26] <swharper> arry
[23:26] <swharper> array
[23:28] <erichammond> patdk-lap: Thanks.
[23:32] <patdk-lap> swharper, how large are the drives? how many drives?
[23:32] <patdk-lap> and what speed cpu?
[23:35] <swharper> 7 drives 1.5tb eacvh
[23:36] <swharper> er 6 drives rather
[23:40] <powell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:41] <powell> Amet etiam feugiat quis primis litora
[23:41] <powell> phreak
[23:41]  * powell ! unknown port
[23:41] <patdk-lap> powell, probably a good 12hours or more
[23:42] <powell> on linux ?
[23:42] <patdk-lap> on anything
[23:42] <powell> gnome
[23:42] <patdk-lap> you have to read and write out all 7*1.5tb of data
[23:43] <powell> yea
[23:48] <swharper> k
[23:48] <swharper> cool


[00:34] <terorie> Hey, I'd like to gvfs mount my disks on 18.10 over CLI. Just like mounting disks in Dolphin. However, gio mount aborts with "Not authorized to perform operation" :(
[00:34] <terorie> I did some research and it hinted me at PolicyKit, but I honestly have no idea what to do
[00:34] <terorie> Does anyone have an idea?
[00:35] <terorie> Also, it's SSH, with no X server running if that matters
[00:45] <terorie> Solution was to use udisksctl instead of gvfs! Works now, udisksctl mount -b /dev/sde1
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[05:56] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:22] <OficineRobotica> is there a way of making my laptop apply the same performance settings when operating on battery as when in charge? i mean that temporarly. there is a big performance diference when editing videos when plaiyng the kdenlive timeline
[08:39] <saam> x
[09:32] <mparillo> I assume you have tried System Settings > Power Management > Energy Saving > On Battery tab?
[09:33] <krytarik> They've timed out about 1.5 hours ago.
[17:19] <nsnzero> well wishes to everyone
[17:41] <azx> I want to add a repository to my list, i am going to modify /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:41] <azx> and add the repo at the bottom
[17:41] <azx> is this a good idea?
[17:42] <azx> i'm using kubuntu 18.04, how can i learn the codeword used for this release?
[17:42] <azx> 'artful', 'zesty', 'yakkety', 'xenial', 'trusty', 'stretch', 'jessie', or 'wheezy'
[17:43] <diogenes_> azx, i'd say a PPA would be more sefa.
[17:43] <azx> the reason i am adding a repository is so that i may sudo apt-get update and get new versions of this software, as opposed to downloading the .deb and manually upgrading it every time
[17:44] <azx> i'm trying to become proficient in linux for every day use, and am not sure if i'm doing things correctly
[17:45] <azx> PPA? from ubuntu
[17:45] <azx> i'm trying to get the latest virtualbox software and have it update
[17:45] <diogenes_> yes PPA.
[17:45] <azx> Thanks, will look into PPA
[17:45] <azx> :D
[17:45] <azx> if i can recall correctly, that is an official ubuntu repository ?
[17:46] <azx> please excuse my ignorance
[17:46] <diogenes_> there are a lot of PPAs
[17:58] <azx> So if i understand correctly, PPAs are repositories maintained by maintainers, through launchpad
[17:58] <azx> and i'm sure there is some level of validation that goes into a PPA, however a repository can be anything
[18:00] <azx> And kubuntu 18.04 would be 'bionic'
[18:32] <azx> I've found a 3rd party PPA for virtualbox https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/virtualbox.org_contrib?dist=bionic
[18:33] <diogenes_> very good.
[18:35] <azx> after setting up key and repo, sudo apt-get update gives me this error: N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'non-free/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[18:37] <azx> but i don't have 32bit os installed
[18:38] <azx> so why is it trying to grab that file?
[19:58] <valorie> azx: sounds like a poorly set-up PPA
[19:59] <valorie> one of the beauties of using PPAs is that you can purge them
[19:59] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[19:59] <valorie> with ppa-purge
[19:59] <valorie> !info virtualbox
[20:00] <valorie> so you need newer than Version 5.2.18? azx
[20:36] <azx> ubottu: how can i find out the exact name of the <repository-name>/<subdirectory>
[20:36] <azx> valorie:
[20:37] <azx> damn I pingd a bot
[20:38] <azx> i also have keys for the ppa how can i remove them
[20:38] <azx> do the keys just verify the authenticity of the package/
[20:40] <azx> sudo ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:40] <azx> thanks guys! i'm learning more and more about managing my kubuntu :)
[20:42] <azx> what's the difference between sudo rm -i /etc/apt/sources.list.d/PPA_Name.list and ppa-purge ppa: aside from a shorter command and remembering the path name?
[20:43] <azx> Ah, i see it removes the packages associated with the ppa as well
[20:43] <valorie> azx: yes, the keys just verify
[20:43] <valorie> no need to remove them
[20:43] <valorie> ubottu is a bot, but I'm a human woman
[20:43] <valorie> :-)
[20:43]  * valorie will not comment on that
[20:54] <azx> Thanks!
[20:54] <azx> still getting same issue as 3rd party ppa: N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'contrib/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian bionic InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[20:55] <azx> i wonder why it's trying to grab i386 :/
[20:55] <azx> and i don't think bionic is mentioned in it's supported dist
[20:56] <azx> oo apparently i can [arch=amd64]
[20:57] <azx> ROOT CAUSE : Google dropped support for 32-bit Chrome on Linux triggering an error when updating apt in 64-bit systems (with multi arch enabled) ... details here :
[20:57] <azx> dang
[20:58] <azx> chrome borked my system
[20:59] <azx> but i have nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[20:59] <azx> this is the solution i have found: https://askubuntu.com/questions/741410/skipping-acquire-of-configured-file-main-binary-i386-packages-as-repository-x
[21:01] <azx> the solution is to modify /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list but my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory is empty


[03:24] <letsrock> hi
[03:28] <letsrock> Hi....any ideas why dropbox shows just a crossed icon now on mate panel
[03:31] <letsrock> Hi....any ideas why dropbox shows just a crossed icon now on mate panel?
[03:48] <centricubane> is this channel live...can't see any post...sorry new here
[04:09] <centricubane> guys...is this channel alive
[04:09] <centricubane> having a dropbox issue
[04:10] <centricubane> =-O
[04:25] <letsrock_> Hi
[05:13] <letsrock> list
[05:22] <letsrock> INFO
[05:45] <centricubane> hi
[06:50] <Guest17639> i am in mate 16.04 & need to know how do i bring the command box up (right hand corner) ?
[09:44] <blackcarch> have someone here ?
[10:11] <alkisg> 84 persons in this room
[10:11] <alkisg> !ask
[10:24] <vintle> Hello all, anyone have any advice on the intel 8260 (rev 3a) ?? I bought a system76 rig and cant get the wifi to come up.loaded firmware version 22.361476.0 op_mode iwlmvm but NetworkManager still says device not ready.
[11:19] <ATT> hello
[11:21] <ATT> anybody knows how to install ubuntu mate 16.04 on a bananapi and then move it from sd card to sata harddisk? I tried to make partitions, format, mount, tar copy everything, change /tmp/boot/cmdline.txt into ..../dev/sda1 ... but it wont do it, it will boot from sd card
[11:27] <ATT> uenv.txt only contains eth adress of eth0
[12:58] <abdo> Does Ubuntu 16.1 mate support supermicro motherboards
[13:17] <sixwheeledbeast> i don't see why not
[15:50] <Luzbel112> alguien?
[15:50] <Luzbel112> someone speak spanish?
[15:51] <Luzbel112> i have a small problem
[15:57] <pavlushka> !ask Luzbel112
[15:57] <pavlushka> !ask | Luzbel112
[15:59] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: or
[16:00] <pavlushka> !spanish | Luzbel112
[16:11] <Luzbel112> doesn't matter, the problem is...
[16:13] <Luzbel112> the notebook he pc when entering and wake suspension passes from AC to battery and need reconnect the cable
[16:15] <Luzbel112> no is a big problem but is
[16:15] <Luzbel112> hateful
[16:18] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: I guess its the power adapter issue, I had it with my old ones, so replaced with a new power adapter.
[16:19] <Luzbel112> no es problem of power adapter
[16:20] <Luzbel112> only happens when hibernates and awakens
[16:20] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: but if it's possible for you to test the Adapter with some other device, that would help
[16:20] <Luzbel112> only happens when hibernates and awakens
[16:21] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: and your "lsb_release -rd" in paste.ubuntu.com please
[16:21] <Luzbel112> ok, let me see
[16:24] <Luzbel112> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476286/
[16:37] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: and the "uname -a" please on paste
[16:43] <Luzbel112> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476357/
[16:48] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: and you are facing this problem since install or last upgrade or when?
[16:54] <Luzbel112> mmm...the install
[17:05] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: can you give us a paste of "acpi -V" and "lspci -nnk"?
[17:08] <Luzbel112> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476480/
[17:10] <Luzbel112> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476484/
[17:55] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: and before this OS install, with other OS/distro, the issue was absent?
[17:57]  * pavlushka just double checking before suggesting Luzbel112 to file a bug under mate-power-manager.
[17:58] <Luzbel112> it worked perfectly
[18:07] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: and one more thing, can you paste the "systemctl status upower.service"?
[18:07] <Luzbel112> oki
[18:08] <Luzbel112> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476702/
[18:09] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: and you might take a look at here, http://www.gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-linux-society-1000004/samsung-rf510-dies-when-running-games-28520034/
[18:09] <Luzbel112> oki
[18:10] <Luzbel112> i dont play game in this notebook, only write and read papers
[18:11] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: look at the issues please
[18:12] <pavlushka> it says it has a POS EIAJ-4 jack issue
[18:13] <pavlushka> reported two people at least
[18:14] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: you can file a bug under mate-power-manager and lets see.
[18:15] <Luzbel112> oki, :).  thank you soo much for you time
[18:16] <Luzbel112> i love this distro y only is that small problem nothing more
[18:16] <pavlushka> Luzbel112: me too, <3 MATE
[18:16] <Luzbel112> :D
[18:39] <mati> Hi, I've question what should I put into sources.list when I want to use mate in virtualbox, any clue?
[19:32] <mate|69785> Hello there if anyone has used Private Internet Access VPN with Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 do you know if I can just download the ubuntu version from the main PIA website??
[20:48] <hrodrigues> hello you all, can someone explain me how do I acced the monitor settings on ubuntu mate ?  sorry I am newbiw in the "linux world".
[21:26] <robert__> hello
[21:32] <user_> hi! I go away.
[22:03] <mate|69785> Test sorry just making sure I'm connected


[00:21] <SpamapS> simensen: env statements are not expanded
[00:22] <SpamapS> simensen: so just be literal about the LOGFILE instead of using LOGDIR and it will work
[00:23] <SpamapS> simensen: very old bug btw, but #328366
[00:23] <SpamapS> bug #328366 rather
[00:23]  * SpamapS kicks the bot
[00:23] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/328366
[00:38] <xnox> some flamewars just simply.... do.... not.... die and keep on being resurrected
[00:46] <SpamapS> xnox: we just like to watch stuff burn
[00:47] <xnox> heh


[01:26] <EntropyWorks> trying to netboot 12.10  and its missing the mlx4_en module for networking
[01:27] <EntropyWorks> plus once I remade the initrd.gz it fails again, can't find my disks.
[09:27] <shadeslayer> hey, is there a documented way to generate .disk/info ?
[09:27] <shadeslayer> or is there documentation for how the string should look
[09:37] <shadeslayer> oh nvm, it's from lsb-release
[11:17] <soren> I have a preseed that includes "d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm boolean true", but I still get the "Unable to automatically remove LVM data" prompt.
[11:18] <soren> If I'm using an expert_recipe. Could that be the cause?
[11:18] <soren> s/^If //
[11:19] <xnox> soren: can you reproduce this with quantal CD or not?
[11:19] <xnox> soren: wait. Better - which cd are you using?
[11:20] <soren> Sorry, should have mentioned that. This is with Precise.
[11:21] <xnox> hmmm.... well I have fixed bug 154086 in partman-auto-lvm because I have assumed that it will be impossible to be triggered with pure partman-lvm.
[11:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 154086 in partman-auto-lvm (Debian) "Installing to HDD with previous ubuntu fails to create fresh LVM claiming group already in use" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154086
[11:23] <soren> xnox: I do have that version of partman-auto-lvm. :-/
[11:25] <xnox> I am reading the source code and trying to figure out the codepath you are hitting.
[11:29] <soren> xnox: Hm.
[11:29] <soren> It seems I can work around it by passing all disks in partman-auto/disk
[11:30] <xnox> soren: yes.
[11:30] <xnox> soren: see https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-lvm/ubuntu/view/head:/lib/lvm-remove.sh#L1
[11:30] <soren> xnox: Either that or have an early command that just goes ahead and nukes all the pvs and vgs and whatever.
[11:30] <soren> xnox: Yeah, that's what I'm looking at, too.
[11:31] <xnox> so it looks like it's a safety check: if VG is spanning more than the disks you asked to be partitioned, it bails out since changes affect more disks that you asked to touch.
[11:31] <soren> Right.
[11:31] <soren> But what I want is just to start from scratch. Nuke everything and reinstall.
[11:31] <soren> Even in that means just installing onto one disk even if it used to span two.
[11:31] <xnox> true.
[11:32] <soren> I think I'll do the early_command thing.
[11:33]  * soren wonders if lvm is available by then, but I guess it would have to be.
[11:35] <xnox> soren: there is partman/early_command I believe which is run after d-i initialisation but before partman. Let me double check the correct command name.
[11:36] <xnox> soren: yeah "d-i partman/early_command string $nuke_all" at that point you should have partman-lvm already.
[11:36] <xnox> you may need to modprobe device-mapper.
[11:46] <xnox> soren: can you still open a bug against partman-lvm e.g. "cannot destroy & reinstall however I like"
[11:53] <soren> xnox: Yeah, will do.
[11:53] <soren> xnox: Thanks.
[11:53] <soren> xnox: And yes, the partman/early_command was what I meant. I'll know in a few seconds if it worked.
[11:54] <xnox> soren: ack & cool =))))
[11:59] <soren> Yup, seems to have done the trick.
[12:00] <xnox> \o/
[12:06] <soren> xnox: bug 1087230
[12:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087230 in partman-lvm (Ubuntu) "Too hard to just reinstall and partition any way I please" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087230
[18:36] <EntropyWorks> curious why the netboot installer for 12.10 ended up putting 12.04.1 on the server I finally got to booting
[18:38] <cjwatson> Logs?
[18:38] <cjwatson> (/var/log/installer/syslog)
[18:44] <EntropyWorks> gathering logs now... will have a pastebin in a bit
[18:45] <cjwatson> We only need that one file
[18:48] <EntropyWorks> false alarm... looks like someone updated a file from an old preseed.cfg that still had "d-i mirror/udeb/suite string precise" and "d-i mirror/suite string precise" that would do it..
[18:48] <cjwatson> Right
[18:49] <EntropyWorks> I do have a question about the netboot installer linux and initrd.gz I need to add a bunch of kernel modules to get it to work.
[19:45] <EntropyWorks> btw this is my fixes for the quantal netboot initrd.gz http://goo.gl/PfOZd
[19:56] <infinity> EntropyWorks: Sounds like perhaps that driver might be missing from nic-modules.udeb
[19:56] <infinity> EntropyWorks: I'd recommend filing a kernel bug and following up with #ubuntu-kernel.
[20:03] <EntropyWorks> infinity: ok


[03:10] <RobbyF2> seems those links in the topic are really outdated.
[03:13] <RobbyF2> anyone happen to be maintining galaxy nexus build?
[03:13] <RobbyF2> been looking around and hav't seen so i thought i would check in here as a last resort
[03:14] <nhaines> The links in the topic are the information we have.
[03:14] <nhaines> Most community ports are not active--of course, if independant developers don't maintain their port listing...
[03:16] <RobbyF2> thanks nhaines
[03:16] <RobbyF2> I might just have to run an emulator
[03:16] <nhaines> On the bright side, with luck once the phone is "out" in February, that might trigger more interest in ports.  But Canonical hasn't come through with the promised updated porting guide either.
[03:17] <nhaines> (They're really busy getting things working for the bq phone, so hopefully post release they'll be able to finish that up--it's in progress, but just going very slowly.)
[03:17] <RobbyF2> yeah.
[03:17] <nhaines> An emulator works pretty well and runing apps on your Ubuntu system is actually very close to device use.
[03:17] <RobbyF2> tempted to buy one of those devices but I assume they will be $500+ usd
[03:18] <nhaines> One of which devices?
[03:18] <RobbyF2> mx4
[03:18] <RobbyF2> meizu or what ever it's called
[03:19] <nhaines> No idae about that.  the bq Aquaris is maybe going to be more like €200.
[03:19] <RobbyF2> i'll have to keep my eye on that
[03:19] <nhaines> The Meizu MX4 is $293.
[03:20] <RobbyF2> bbl
[03:20] <nhaines> Up to $390 for the 64GB model.
[03:20] <nhaines> Take care!
[03:20] <RobbyF2> laptop gonna die
[03:20] <RobbyF2> thanks for your help
[03:20] <RobbyF2> appreciate it!
[03:28] <bubbasaures> nhaines, Are the OEM's going to have the plugin ubuntu desktop?
[03:29] <bubbasaures> plugin as an axtion bad syntax sorry
[03:31] <nhaines> bubbasaures: maybe once it exists.  That's about two years away.
[03:31] <nhaines> Year and a half, maybe.  16.10.
[03:32] <bubbasaures> nhaines, Cool, thanks, it is nice to see it getting this far.
[04:11] <bzoltan_> aquarius: The SDK is using the key from ~/.config/ubuntu-sdk
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/aggregator-scopes-ubuntu-phone
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> new article
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[09:12] <sturmflut-work> good morning
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hugging Day! :-D
[12:14] <rickspencer3> aquarius, what a nice way to wake up today :)
[12:15] <rickspencer3> your videos are super slick
[12:16] <aquarius> rickspencer3, cheers
[12:25] <davmor2> aquarius: yes seconded, they are pretty concise, easy to follow and audio on them are great, obviously the video has your ugly mug on it so is marred by that ;) But on a serious note,  Well done that man keep up the good work :)
[12:35] <melvster> meizu with ubuntu touch expected to on sale in february in europe, is that right?
[12:36] <melvster> or am i thinking of the bq?
[12:40] <jgdx> melvster, seems bq comes first, ref http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february
[12:41] <melvster> jgdx: woot ... ill be ordering one when it comes out ... my nexus 4 seems a bit dated now
[12:42] <melvster> 1GB RAM
[12:42] <melvster> hmmm that's tight
[12:43] <melvster> wow price is low
[12:43] <melvster> expensive NOT to buy one!
[13:16]  * asac updtes to latest
[13:50] <mzanetti> sturmflut-work: hey, could you do me a favor and do a small writeup on how you got ubuntu installed on that tablet? in particular about the UEFI stuff etc
[13:53] <sanjeev> hi
[14:20] <mterry> bfiller, you were asking about bug 1413065.  I agree that unity8 is probably involved if it's a focus problem.  I am trying to track down what focus changes might have been made recently.  Is this a regression or is it something that might have been broken for a while?
[14:21] <bfiller> mterry: think it's been broken for a while and it's a timing thing
[14:21] <bfiller> mterry: might have to do with the live call indicator?
[14:21] <mterry> bfiller, yeah you mention it doesn't always happen
[14:22] <bfiller> mterry: yeah
[14:22] <bfiller> mterry: or the fact the dialer is running fullscreen mode?
[14:22] <bfiller> or a combo
[14:23] <mterry> bfiller, I wouldn't *think* either of those components would be able to trigger an unfocus but maybe
[14:31] <bfiller> mterry: I remeber there was a bug where the live call indicator was quickly displayed and removed when placing a call, but that was fixed a while ago. wondering if that might be related somehow
[14:32] <bfiller> mterry: I'll try and find the bug as the MR might shed some hints
[14:34] <mterry> bfiller, interesting
[14:35] <mterry> bfiller, looking at code, I could believe we request focus for the dialer-app when a call starts
[14:36] <mterry> greyback_, ^ would it make sense that ApplicationManager.requestFocusApplication() would unfocus/re-focus if an app already had focus?
[14:39] <greyback_> mterry: requestFocusApplication just emits a focusRequested(appId) signal, which unity8 will act upon.
[14:39] <mterry> ah
[14:40] <greyback_> mterry: take care, surfaces get input focus, which is what Qt.application.active reflects
[14:40] <mterry> greyback_, ok so that just does ApplicationManager.focusApplication it seems in PhoneStage
[14:40] <greyback_> there's an annoying concept of application focus in qtmir, which is due to mir. That concept is used to manage app lifecycle, so is not the same
[14:41] <greyback_> mterry: I recommend you monitor MirSurfaceItem::focus, and only explore AppMan::focus* as last resort
[14:42] <mterry> greyback_, OK, I'm just tracing code while I wait for my phone to finish flashing and such
[14:42] <greyback_> mterry: sure. Feel free to ask anything
[14:42] <mterry> greyback_, does unity8 direct things from a surfaceItem perspective?  I thought u8 only cared about apps?
[14:44] <greyback_> mterry: yes it does care about surfaces. It composites them, and looks after sending input events to those surfaces
[14:45] <greyback_> mterry: Don't forget QML has a concept of (keyboard) focus. Only one QML item can get keyboard events - the one which has activeFocus=true. In unity8, an application surface is just another QML item (MirSurfaceItem)
[14:46] <greyback_> if an app's surface has activeFocus=true, then that app have Qt.application.active==true too
[14:46] <greyback_> the focus state of the surface in unity8, is passed to the application as "your surface is focused/not focused"
[14:48] <mterry> greyback_, where do we do that in u8?  In the stage all I see is app stuff
[14:49] <greyback_> mterry: see SurfaceContainer
[14:50] <mterry> greyback_, ok thanks, phone is flashed, I'll spend some time in a debugger and see if I can follow thread
[15:02] <sturmflut-work> mzanetti: I was already writing on it, but couldn't find the time to finish it. Basically I have to do a full re-install and confirm that all steps actually work, and there have been some changes in Vivid which should make things easier and which I have to test.
[15:02] <mzanetti> mhm. well, whenever you have time for it
[15:10] <mterry> bfiller, OK I see the unity8 call that starts the problem, have to figure out where in the chain the actual flaw lies, but it seems to involve trying to focus an already focused app
[15:11] <bfiller> mterry: nice
[15:15] <mardy> jdstrand: hi! My part of bug 1219644 has landed in Vivid
[15:16] <mardy> jdstrand: so, when you get some time, you can start working on the apparmor side
[15:24] <mterry> greyback_, so I put a breakpoint at MirSurfaceItem::updateMirSurfaceFocus(), but it doesn't seem to be hit during this bug
[15:24] <mterry> greyback_, if I comment out the top-level requestApplicationFocus in u8 that tries to focus the already-focused dialer-app, the bug goes away
[15:24] <greyback_> mterry: qtmir::MirSurfaceItem::updateMirSurfaceFocus
[15:25] <mterry> So somewhere in the focus-an-already-focused app, we do something wrong
[15:26] <greyback_> mterry: there's a fixme in mirsurfaceitem.cpp line 311 which might interest you
[15:27] <mterry> greyback_, that's unfocusing on startup?  This bug doesn't happen on startup though
[15:28] <greyback_> mterry: start of the application. Ok, was just a thought
[15:28] <mterry> greyback_, well updateMirSurfaceFocus only happens on activeFocusChanged.  What would you expect to happen / what is correct behavior if shell tries to re-focus an app?
[15:29] <pitti> uh, oh, things you don't want to see on a phone emulator (current devel-proposed): http://paste.ubuntu.com/9806535/
[15:29] <pitti> (and landing in busybox)
[15:30] <greyback_> mterry: frankly, "refocus" should never happen
[15:30] <greyback_> but it should be a noop if it does
[15:31] <jgdx> Cimi, that u-s-s ci failure is not introduced by your branch. I think it's ci infra issues, but I haven't investigated yet.
[15:31] <mterry> greyback_, yeah I figure as much.  But where in the stack do you prefer we check that and enforce a no-op?
[15:31] <greyback_> mterry: why do you think it is a refocus?
[15:31] <mterry> greyback_, I'm also curious why it's not a no-op
[15:32] <greyback_> could it instead be something stealing focus from the mir surface, and then the mir surface stealing it back again?
[15:32] <mterry> greyback_, because if I comment out a line in Shell.qml that does a requestApplicationFocus("dialer-app") that gets triggered when the user presses the call button in the emergency dialer, the bug goes away
[15:32] <mterry> greyback_, maybe u8's handling of that request is breaking it, and it's not a mir thing.  Haven't determined that yet
[15:33] <greyback_> mterry: qtmir & mir just pass the surface focus message from unity8 to the application
[15:33] <mterry> greyback_, but maybe they shouldn't if it's already focused?
[15:34] <ogra_> pitti, check your USB cable :P
[15:34] <mterry> greyback_, is it possible Qt is taking that message on the app side and acting like an unfocus/focus then?
[15:34] <ogra_> pitti, surely one of these virtual wires is loose
[15:35] <greyback_> mterry: highly unlikely
[15:35] <pitti> ogra_: I tried another one, and also wiggled it a lot already!
[15:35] <ogra_> :D
[15:37] <mterry> greyback_, well I can fix this bug by just guarding the Shell.qml call.  But that seems like we're leaving some focus issue in place to hit someone else later.  Any suggestions for another place to try a breakpoint?
[15:40] <pitti> sergiusens, ogra_: ok, seems to be a problem with finding the root partition; that still worked last week, are you aware of any changes there?
[15:40] <greyback_> mterry: sorry no. Honestly I don't think you've got to the core of the matter.
[15:40] <pitti> sergiusens, ogra_: I filed it as bug 1413271, this has a log
[15:41] <mterry> greyback_, I agree.  That's why I'm still investigating rather than just guarding the Shell.qml call
[15:41] <mterry> greyback_, or are you saying that I'm going up the entirely wrong tree?
[15:42] <sergiusens> pitti: so this is different than xnox's problem about not being able to create
[15:42] <pitti> yes
[15:42] <pitti> I was creating an emulator just last Friday, which worked fine
[15:42] <greyback_> mterry: no, you're in the rough area, QML's activeFocus is bouncing around for some reason
[15:43] <mterry> greyback_, but I'm reporting that it isn't -- updateMirSurfaceFocus, triggered off activeFocusChanged, isn't actually happening during the bug
[15:43] <mterry> Unless I screwed up that test.  Can do it again
[15:44] <greyback_> mterry: that method sends the IPC call to the dialer app to say is i or is not focused. There is no other way for that message to be sent
[15:44] <mterry> greyback_, OK, so if that method isn't hit, there's no way the app's Qt.application.active would change?
[15:45] <greyback_> mterry: correct
[15:45]  * mterry will run that test again, maybe I accidentally queued up a 'c' in gdb
[15:45] <greyback_> mterry: qtmir.surfaces: MirSurfaceItem::updateMirSurfaceFocus false - should see those in the unity8.log
[15:46] <mterry> greyback_, oh that's enabled by default?  swell
[15:48] <mterry> greyback_, this is what happens when Shell.qml requests focus for the already-focused dialer-app:
[15:48] <mterry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9806703/
[15:49] <mterry> which doesn't actually hit updateMirSurfaceFocus.  But does seem to be unfocusing it
[15:51] <greyback_> mterry: Application::setFocused - appId= "dialer-app" focused= false  <- that looks wrong, that is something telling qtmir that the dialer-app is not being used. You see it then going into the suspended state. Then reume is called on it
[15:51] <mterry> yeah
[15:51] <greyback_> so that's not surface focus, that's application "focus"
[15:51] <greyback_> sorry I know the terminology is a nightmare, I hope to clean it up soon
[15:51] <mterry> greyback_, line 412 of application_manager.cpp
[15:52] <mterry> greyback_, should probably check if it's the same app before unfocusing
[15:53] <greyback_> mterry: well is odd for unity8 to ask for an already focused app to be focused. But yes
[15:53] <greyback_> mterry: I'd prefer that check being done in unity8, not for qtmir.
[15:53] <mterry> greyback_, sure, like I said, I could guard in Shell.qml against this as well, but seems like it would just be lying in wait for someone else
[15:54] <mardy> mvo: hi! Can I expect the hook program to be run in an environment where the DBus session is set, or should I assume that there's no DBus?
[15:54] <greyback_> mterry: that qtmir code will go away
[15:54] <greyback_> mterry: hence my preference
[15:54] <mterry> greyback_, I'm happy to also guard Shell.qml.  If this qtmir code is short-lived fine.  But if it weren't, I would really expect that qtmir wouldn't unfocus in this situation
[15:55] <greyback_> mterry: sure. Only said it because it is code that has to die
[15:55] <mterry> ok
[15:55] <mterry> greyback_, thanks for your help!  I'll go off and do this in unity8
[15:55] <greyback_> np
[16:21] <mterry> bfiller, ok MP filed.  Works for me, but more testers is good too: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/dont-refocus-dialer/+merge/247165
[16:21] <bfiller> mterry: awesome, will try, boiko and salem_ please test as well ^^^
[16:22] <mterry> It's a simple one-line qml change, so you don't need to wait for the debs to be built if you're feeling adventurous
[16:22] <boiko> bfiller: mterry: nice! I will test it soon
[16:22] <salem_> mterry, cool, thanks
[16:24] <mvo> mardy: I assume you mean access to DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS via the env? I need to look at the details but I think you don't have this. https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/click/lp1232130-kill-on-remove-2/+merge/237601 has some code to get it but its not merged and there were some concerns over it
[16:24] <mardy> mvo: yes, that one; I'm afraid we'll need it, sooner or later
[16:25] <mardy> mvo: there's the case when you remove an account plugin: we also remove the corresponding account(s), and we should notify any running app using this account that it's gone
[16:26] <mvo> mardy: right, we could use the approach from the MP, but that assuem the address is availalbe on /run
[16:26] <mardy> mvo: if it's not there, it means that there really isn't any session running, right?
[16:30] <mvo> mardy: yeah, you can use it I think someone (ogra?) mentioned that it having the file on /run/user/$uid/dbus-address was not meant as a real interface that people should rely on, worth double checking I guess
[16:31] <ogra_> yeah, please get the DBUS_ADDRESS from the environment, that file isnt meant to stay
[16:59] <aquarius_> ChickenCutlass, ping
[16:59] <aquarius_> ChickenCutlass, about mp4 encoding in hardware on phones and whether it's doable :)
[17:00] <ChickenCutlass> aquarius_: ah encode.
[17:00] <ChickenCutlass> aquarius_: so the camera app does this on record
[17:01] <aquarius_> ChickenCutlass, yeah. I had this idea: I would like to have, basically, apple airplay on the phone. So something which pulls frames from /var/run/mir_socket and gives them to Some Chip In The Phone which gives back an mp4, and then I stream that mp4 over the network. Which, if it's possible, should involve almost no actual *CPU* time, so the phone won't bog down.
[17:01] <aquarius_> but I have no idea whether the mp4 chips in phones let you encode arbitrary incoming stuff :)
[17:01] <ChickenCutlass> aquarius_: it might, maybe jhodapp would know that
[17:01] <aquarius_> and I thought: Frey knows this stuff. ;)
[17:02] <aquarius_> aha, jhodapp, ping then :)
[17:02] <ChickenCutlass> lol
[17:02] <ChickenCutlass> aquarius_: so jhodapp is the one who hocks all the bits together for multimedia
[17:04] <bfiller> mterry: tested your MR - works great. fixes issues and no regressions that I can see during testing.
[17:04] <aquarius_> nvidia chips have the vdpau stuff which will encode arbitrary incoming things and give you an mp4 stream, but I don't know if the stuff you get in phones does. I shall ask jim :)
[17:04] <bfiller> mterry: thank you for the quick turnaround!
[17:04] <salem_> bfiller, mterry awesome.
[17:05] <MoPac> Hello - I'm a bit confused at the moment about (a) natively running touch apps on desktop vs (b) docking a phone to run a full desktop enviro vs (c) docking the phone to a *running* desktop session and controlling the phone from the desktop
[17:05] <ChickenCutlass> aquarius_: I think you can feed a surface to the record interface and basically turn that into an mp4
[17:05] <mterry> bfiller, sweet, maybe leave a comment in the MP so the unity8 folks know it's already gotten some testing and they can focus on code review side of things
[17:05] <MoPac> I've seen (a) and know that (b) has always been part of the project. But is (c) an initial capability?
[17:06] <bfiller> mterry: yup, did that
[17:06] <mterry> bfiller, awesome thanks!
[17:07] <aquarius_> ChickenCutlass, that'd be ideal, I think; that's what I was imagining, a little thing which connects together a mir surface, the record interface, and a network port to get a streaming mp4 of the phone screen with little or no cpu impact.
[17:07] <ChickenCutlass> aquarius_: right take a look at qtubuntu camera
[17:07] <jhodapp> aquarius_, pong
[17:07] <aquarius_> jhodapp, see the above conversation to get up to speed -- and then I have some questions for you :)
[17:08] <jhodapp> aquarius_, ok, give me 5 mins
[17:10] <aquarius_> cheers :)
[17:17] <jhodapp> aquarius_, ok, so in theory what you want to do should be possible
[17:18] <aquarius_> jhodapp, yay! although "in theory" worries me ;)
[17:18] <jhodapp> aquarius_, we don't have anything tied in platform-wise other than camera recording though, and that's highly specific. We are missing a gstreamer plugin that would abstract this in our pipeline that could talk to media-hub
[17:19] <jhodapp> aquarius_, so driver-level on down, this is possible...we are missing the integration bits that would make this easy for you to do
[17:20] <aquarius_> jhodapp, this would be equally specific, though -- get the screen from mir. I'm not bothered about some generic way to expose this encoding ability to everybody :)
[17:21] <jhodapp> aquarius_, of course :)
[17:21] <jhodapp> aquarius_, but it would be nice to have it all generic
[17:22] <nhaines> MoPac: when Ubuntu desktop ships with Unity 8, that's when you can expect (c).  It is not an initial capability.  Maybe 16.10.
[17:24] <aquarius_> jhodapp, oh, totally, but I suspect everyone capable of doing this is already really busy :)
[17:24] <jhodapp> aquarius_, I'll add a todo list item for myself to look into this a little more for you and point you to some Android-level code
[17:24] <jhodapp> aquarius_, I'll try and get back to you tomorrow some time
[17:25] <aquarius_> jhodapp, what would it need? the camera uses gstreamer to send incoming video to the mp4 encoder? or does it all happen in the kernel or something?
[17:27] <jhodapp> aquarius_, there's an Android-level driver that reads the bits from the device...each device has its own specific driver...then there's a C++ class that abstracts it into a standard camera interface, again at the Android level. Right now for the camera recording, the video frames never leave the Android level...they get read in, sent to the encoder and output frames are sent to the MPEG4Writer class
[17:29] <jhodapp> aquarius_, what I did was to re-work the control interface for recording to work with hybris and our camera-app
[17:31] <aquarius_> jhodapp, ah, so it does all need to get hooked up at a low level... got it.
[17:31] <jhodapp> aquarius_, so really the only thing you need now is to get your hands on the output of the encoder
[17:31] <jhodapp> aquarius_, and ideally this would be done by gstreamer
[17:32] <jhodapp> aquarius_, because then you could pipe it to one of the network sinks
[17:33] <jhodapp> aquarius_, that might be possible to send through a fifo up to a new gstreamer plugin
[17:37] <aquarius_> jhodapp, that'd be totally excellent
[17:37] <aquarius_> jhodapp, I create a gst pipeline which is, basically, mir-as-mp4 ! networksink host=whatever port=whatever, and that's *it*
[17:40] <jhodapp> aquarius_, that would be the idea yes, but most of the work is identifying the right place to attach a fifo on the android side and then creating a new Gst "encoder" plugin that receives the data and sends the data out its sink port to the right network sink element
[17:40] <jhodapp> aquarius_, would you want audio in there too?
[17:40] <aquarius_> jhodapp, yeah.
[17:41] <aquarius_> Audio... hm. Yes, ideally.
[17:41] <aquarius_> the goal for this is to make screencasting really, really easy, as it is with AirPlay mirroring on iOS.
[17:41] <aquarius_> except without all Apple's brain-dead drm stuff built in :)
[17:42] <jhodapp> aquarius_, well a little trickier then but should still be doable...you would need the same as I described above, but another element to read the audio data from pulse, then the gstreamer mp4 mux plugin, then the network sink
[17:42] <aquarius_> at the moment screencasting the ubuntu phone is hard, because you can't do it at full resolution and framerate because it all happens on the cpu and so the phone bogs down.
[17:42] <aquarius_> audio is a nice-to-have, not an ssential.
[17:42] <jhodapp> aquarius_, ok, a proof of concept would be to just do video first
[17:42] <nhaines> Audio's good for v1.1
[17:43] <aquarius_> the three primary use cases for this, in my mind, are: demoing the phone, live, to someone on a big screen; showing the phone's screen in a window on your desktop for hangouts, etc; streaming the video to somewhere that it can be recorded.
[17:43] <aquarius_> the *real* use case for this is "use your phone to drive your TV", which is a proper user use-case rather than a techie use case, but that needs audio
[17:43] <aquarius_> and a whole bunch of other standards stuff like miracast, etc.
[17:44] <jhodapp> aquarius_, you know what would be ideal is to get AirTame ported to Ubuntu Touch
[17:44] <aquarius_> so being able to screencast by just streaming an mp4 stream to a network http server is enough to get this off the ground, and that's the bit which needs to be done inside the core OS. Everything else is niceness.
[17:44] <aquarius_> jhodapp, maaaaaaaaaaaybe. AirTame is proprietary :(
[17:44] <jhodapp> aquarius_, their driver, because they do this already for mobile devices and they developed the tech using primarily Ubuntu
[17:45] <aquarius_> because they wanna sell devices.
[17:45] <jhodapp> yes
[17:46] <aquarius_> Apple Airplay actually is nice and open, in theory -- run an http server and advertise it on zeroconf as _airplay._tcp and an iphone will detect it and try streaming to it. That would be how we'd do it.  I can promise you that just taking the rawvideo output from mirscreencast and shovelling it over the network makes the phone bog down too much. I was hoping that if this were all done at a low level then there'd be hardly any cpu involvement at all; it's all just the mp4 encoder on a chip (which wasn't doing anything at all before) and the network stack
[17:48] <jhodapp> aquarius_, yeah, I'm just worried about feeding to GStreamer, but it's tough to say
[17:48] <aquarius_> (this is why I halve the size of screencasts, and only do 6fps, which doesn't make the phone bog down but looks really not smooth in videos :( )
[17:49] <aquarius_> jhodapp, fair comment!
[17:49] <jhodapp> aquarius_, another option would be to modify the MPEG4Writer class to feed the output into a very tiny web server and keep it all at the Android level
[17:50] <aquarius_> that would mean that you don't stream *to* a remote device (your TV), but the TV streams *from* you?
[17:51] <jhodapp> aquarius_, yes, or you could do a simple http client as well
[17:51] <jhodapp> aquarius_, just depends on what's on the receiving side
[17:52] <aquarius_> ya. I'm inclined to suggest that the phone looks for zeroconf-advertised servers and streams to them, and then those servers can do what they like with the stream, but that's all handwave detail at the moment. The hard bit is getting an mp4 to stream at full resolution and framerate without the phone lagging to death :)
[17:52] <aquarius_> this was an encouraging discussion!
[17:53] <aquarius_> I need to work out how to have this be your priority task now ;-) Who's your boss? Do they like chocolates? :)
[17:53] <jhodapp> aquarius_, awesome, glad it was helpful
[17:53] <jhodapp> aquarius_, you were talking to him right before me :)
[17:53] <jhodapp> aquarius_, beer, lots of beer would be my suggestion ;)
[17:57] <aquarius_> not sure my liver is up to the challenge of bribing ChickenCutlass ;)
[18:21] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hey, soo just pushed some new changes to this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/libsdl/sdl2-needs-rebuild-mir
[18:21] <bschaefer> which should fix your issues, if you dont mind giving it a test!
[18:22] <bschaefer> also the fixes are aimed at vivid, not utopic sadly
[18:22] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: So my phone should be running Vivid?
[18:23] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, if possible yes
[18:23] <bschaefer> i just have it on vivid sooo its pretty hard to test out, i also usually use: https://hg.libsdl.org/SDL
[18:23] <bschaefer> haha, soo i need to test main out more
[18:23] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Oh, you fixed a lot of stuff in Revision 18.
[18:24] <bschaefer> yeah its stuff i've fixed upstream
[18:24] <bschaefer> but never ported back into main
[18:24] <bschaefer> i think the main things though are: 114	[18:24] <bschaefer> as with out that change, dlsym fails
[18:24] <bschaefer> soo the mir backend is skipe
[18:24] <bschaefer> skipped*
[18:27] <SturmFlut> General question to the channel: Which version will the commercially available devices (Bq Aquaris etc.) be on? All my current apps are targeting Utopic because the mako stable channel is Utopic, and I want all my apps to run on as many devices as possible
[18:31] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, well, ideally the version the phone is released on? Though targeting utopic isn't a bad idea, just Im not sure if i'll be able to get an SRU in to fix these issues in Utopic
[18:31] <bschaefer> i could always make a ppa...
[18:33] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: I'll give it a try later, thanks for your work and thanks for pinging me :)
[18:33] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, np, thanks for testing it out!
[18:50] <popey> SturmFlut: bq will ship with utopic and move to vivid via OTA sometime in March (probably)
[18:50] <popey> (maybe a bit later)
[18:52] <SturmFlut> popey: Ah, thanks. So I'll continue targeting Utopic
[18:53] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, if that branch works ill create a ppa to get it so you can work with utopic!
[18:53] <bschaefer> (it should work...)
[19:16] <SturmFlut> mzanetti, kgunn: I just published http://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/01/21/installing-ubuntu-15.04-on-baytrail-tablets/ , it is not complete but should contain enough information to to a full installation
[19:16] <mzanetti> SturmFlut: nice! thanks :)
[19:17] <SturmFlut> mzanetti, kgunn: If not people can file bug reports against my blog on github (which might be the nerdiest thing I've ever said)
[19:17] <mzanetti> no, there has been worse
[19:17] <mzanetti> :D
[19:18] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: I see you know me well...
[19:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, your wifi-fix-cancel-test branch includes my dialog cpo work around, which won't work in rtm yet... that's why you're seeing that problem
[19:32] <dobey> why would 'init' be using lots of cpu?
[19:33] <dobey> my phone was quite hot earlier and init was constantly jumping between ~4% and ~20% cpu usage. seems to not be doing so now, after i rebooted, though
[19:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, wifi-fix-cancel-test was for vivid..
[19:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, I fixed the test in rtm-forgetful
[19:38] <jgdx> *that test
[19:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh... that error about Dialog seemed to be from 14.09 though
[19:42] <jamie_> Does anyone know if hostapd is working, so I can use a Nexus 4 in AP mode?
[19:43] <kenvandine> jamie_, i've heard that can work, with some scripts
[19:43] <kenvandine> jamie_, but i don't know how, just heard people have done it
[19:44] <ahayzen> dobey, bug 1410506
[19:45] <jamie_> kenvandine - do you have any links that could help me?
[19:46] <kenvandine> jamie_, sorry, no... cyphermox ^^
[19:46] <dobey> ah
[19:47] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you review this backport for me?
[19:47] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-brightness_crash/+merge/244202
[19:53] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure
[19:54] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx!
[20:00] <SturmFlut> jamie_: I just logged into my Nexus 4 via adb shell, made the image writeable, "apt-get install hostapd", took the example configuration, "service network-manager stop" and ran hostapd. Seconds later the new SSID appeared on my other devices. So AP mode with hostapd seems to work on the Nexus 4.
[20:00] <jamie_> Brilliant - will try it. Which channel / version are you running?
[20:00] <popey> nice!
[20:01] <SturmFlut> jamie_: stable, 14.10 r14
[20:03] <jgdx> kenvandine, are you looking at rtm silo 4?
[20:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, not yet... i was looking at what i wanted to land after silo 4, since silo 4 will need a rebuild after silo 19 lands
[20:05] <kenvandine> but testing silo 4 wouldn't be a waste, since the 2 silos don't touch the same plugins
[20:06] <mzanetti> SturmFlut: btw, https://plus.google.com/105839534016416729197/posts/ePSLDescKL3
[20:06] <jgdx> kenvandine, nope. I am done testing, looks good. But would be nice to get another pair of eyes on it.
[20:07] <kgunn> SturmFlut: i must have posted at the exact same time as Michael :D
[20:07] <kgunn> https://plus.google.com/116997345010659023379/posts/RiuPtGyEY8Y
[20:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you add some more detail for testing on line 54?
[20:07] <kenvandine> don't want to run the entire plan there
[20:08] <awe_> Wellark, was there a chance recently to PIN prompting when coming out of flight-mode?   If I omit the "--enable-mir-shared" from the standard ./configure line I actually get a libSDL2.so which loads libmirclient.so.8 and libmircommon.so.2, but then produces a segmentation fault in libprotobuf.so.8
[21:49] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm i just tested that branch out on the phone... and it worked
[21:49] <bschaefer> the libprotobuf sounds like a mir issue...
[21:49] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: But you are on Vivid, right
[21:49] <bschaefer> yeah
[21:49] <bschaefer> let me re-flash my phone with utopic and see what happens
[21:50] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, what did you test?
[21:51] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template/blob/master/src/main.c
[21:51] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, im guessing it seg faults in the Init part right?
[21:51] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Jep, was about to type that
[21:52] <bschaefer> yeeeah, something in mir is wacky... what happens when you try to run a mir demo?
[21:52] <bschaefer> sudo apt-get install mir-demos
[21:52] <bschaefer> then try mir_demo_clients_eglplamsa
[21:52] <bschaefer> or something (in a desktop file)
[21:53] <bschaefer> im wondering if somethings being strange in mir... or if its sdl doing something weird
[21:58] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Got /usr/bin/mir_demo_client_eglplasma to work on the phone
[21:58] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: ...let me try some other things, I suspect that it is my fault...
[21:58] <bschaefer> shoots, thats strange, what version of libproto is it using?
[21:59] <bschaefer> i remember libproto being weird at some point as well...but i dont remember the cause
[21:59] <SturmFlut>   libprotobuf.so.8 => /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libprotobuf.so.8 (0xb6ce5000)
[21:59] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, you can always try out a test in SDL/tests/
[22:00] <bschaefer> theres quite a few tests in there
[22:00] <bschaefer> but hmm
[22:00] <bschaefer> im not sure why it wants to only fail through SDL
[22:46]  * Jon9012 is back (gone 02:10:18)
[22:55]  * Jon9012 is away: I'm busy
[22:56] <popey> Jon9012: you might want to disable that
[23:29] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: At least on my device it goes like this: MIR_Available() calls SDL_MIR_LoadSymbols(), which calls SDL_LoadObject(libmirclient.so.8) and SDL_LoadObject(libxkbcommon.so.0). Both libraries get loaded and then the functions are resolved. Everything goes well, so MIR_Available() calls SDL_MIR_UnloadSymbols() to unload the libraries again.
[23:29] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: In the next step MIR_CreateDevice() is called, calls SDL_MIR_LoadSymbols() again, and this time the segfault occurs *inside* SDL_LoadObject(libmirclient.so.8)
[23:30] <bschaefer> Hmm i wonder if its not correctly releasing them?
[23:30] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, what you could try, is to use --disable-mir-shared
[23:30] <bschaefer> in the debain/rules
[23:30] <bschaefer> instead of --enable-mir-shared, as if its disable it will just return 1;
[23:31] <bschaefer> and will not load anything
[23:34] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Rebuilding...
[23:35] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, sorry for all of these weird issues...some times the dynamic way of loading is very fickle
[23:37] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: I wonder why the second call to SDL_LoadObject() fails
[23:37] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, yeah ... its a bit strange but the reason we load then unload is we just need to double check we should even use that backend
[23:37] <bschaefer> if we end up using a different backend, it would leak
[23:37] <bschaefer> sooo .. hmm thats really strange Ill have to re-flash my phone to check that out my self
[23:42] <jrg> so is there any word on a US release date for an ubuntu phone from BQ yet?
[23:42] <jrg> doesn't seem like those Meizu phones will be out any time soon
[23:43] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: rebuilt it with --disable-mir-shared, still segfaults. Let me throw in another round of debugging...
[23:43] <jrg> latest rumor was BQ was releasing to the EU in the first week of feb 2015
[23:45] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, geez.. hmm I think theres something wrong with the libs for some reason... Ill need to also take a look... Dont want you to spend to much time on that!
[23:45] <sergiusens> join #ubuntu-release
[23:47] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: All my other app ideas are on hold because of issues I can't do much about. This SDL issue at least is something I can work on.
[23:48] <bschaefer> RAOF, hey, do you remember any strange issues from a crash in protobuf?
[23:48] <bschaefer> RAOF, on utopic?
[23:48] <RAOF> bschaefer: Protobuf is stupid about being loaded twice?
[23:48] <bschaefer> RAOF, it would seem that way... though when disabled it still seems to crash
[23:49] <RAOF> ie: if you load it twice into a process at the same time, it aborts.
[23:49] <bschaefer> RAOF, ill need to re-produce the issue... normal mir stuff works
[23:49] <bschaefer> RAOF, right. Though he disable shared sooo it shouldn't be loaded twice anymore
[23:49] <bschaefer> and it still seg faults
[23:49] <bschaefer> RAOF, was just curious if you've hit something like that before, i need to dig into it more
[23:50] <RAOF> Hm, no, that's not familiar.
[23:50] <bschaefer> RAOF, dang, nm then! Thanks
[23:53] <SturmFlut> I am quite surprised how fast the Nexus 4 is at compiling code. No match for the machines I usually work with, but for a consumer phone the performance is pretty solid.
[23:57] <nik90> charles: hey, just wanted to let you know that the one-time alarm status shown in the clock app now updates correctly when i-dt disables after it has gone off :) .. You can now correct your manual test about that refresh ui bug.
[23:58] <nik90> charles: oh and also I have a branch ready to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1372545
[23:58] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: I was wrong, after rebuilding with --disable-mir-shared the backtrace looks different
[23:58] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9811754/
[23:58] <nik90> charles: so the alarm days-of-week picker should now respect your locale..the alarm time-picker doesn't yet, but that's due to the sdk


[02:34] <lamont> why is it that the natty install cd believes that RAID is non-existant and resists my efforts to install on swraid1?
[03:57] <superm1> lamont, i'm assuming you're meaning the graphical installer?
[03:57] <lamont> yeah, I finally bludgeoned it into submission
[03:57] <superm1> the partitioning code isn't specific to mythbuntu, so if there is a problem with it, it's more than likely a generic ubiquity or partman issue
[03:58] <superm1> if you've still got some logs handy i'm sure cjwatson and ev would like to help debug them at some point
[03:58] <lamont> I'll chat at him
[03:58] <lamont> it presumes things about sda vs sdb vs md0
[03:58] <lamont> but yeah, no logs
[03:59] <lamont> and it was me going behind its back to create md0, so it's not exactly fair to blame it for not liking what I ddi
[03:59] <lamont> did
[03:59] <superm1> dang :( well presumably it shouldn't be too hard to reproduce then at least if you can get a set of steps in a bug for them
[04:00] <lamont> the current answer, i expect, is "ubiquity does not support raid installs"
[04:01] <superm1> it doesn't support creating raid setups, but it's not supposed to hate you if you make the raid array ahead of time i had thought
[04:08] <lamont> well....
[04:08] <lamont> the standard for disks is that you create a partition table.  the standard for raid is that you install on the unpartitioned drive
[04:08] <lamont> that makes for in consistent requirements
[04:08] <lamont> since the former seems to be a hard assumption that gets included regularly
[04:09] <superm1> ah
[04:09] <lamont> I suspect it would have worked just fine if I partitioned /dev/md0
[04:09] <lamont> I don't even want to think about if I'd done lvm on raid
[04:09] <superm1> haha
[04:09] <lamont> though that might actually have worked
[04:09] <lamont> and with that, I shall now sleep


[00:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T54: Properly implement different wallpapers for different monitors] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T54#2717
 The version of quassel we ship by default is messed up.
 Can't connect to quassel-core
 Can only directly connect to irc network. There's no option of connecting to a core.
 We get a welcome dialogue box which takes details and connects to irc networks only.
 But I actually ran it from a persistent usb. The usb is a bit slow. That dialogue box opened a bit late than quassel opened. Now, before opening of that dialogue box, there was an option to connect to a quassel-core. It disappeared the moment the welcome screen appeared.
 Someone verify.
 If we are shipping an irc client, I suggest hexchat. Quassel which cannot connect to a core is just useless. The user will have to install quassel-client separately. Seems redundant.
 @kc2bez uses quassel. Can confirm imo.
 Just Installed hexchat to compare usage. Hexchat is clearly lighter than quassel.
 Connected yo same network, same user same channel #lubuntu
 Minimised.
 Hexchat 9MB
 Quassel 23MB
 Telling from qps.
 @tsimonq2 wxl: what say?
 hexchat is not Qt driven
 Quassel is last i checked
 and that's heavier.
 🤷🏻♂
 Even tho hexchat isn't qt driven. It's lighter. Also, the quassel core issue I pointed.
 And don't know why, in the quassel we ship, the default network, named "Lubuntu IRC" tries to connect to ubuntu servers buy on port 8001.
 It should be 6697/6667 na?
[02:07] <guiverc> I've tested the default many times (ISO QA-testing) & connected fine to #lubuntu; usually pm myself on this box; so it works (I have no idea about port)
 Didn't connect on 8001 on my system coz sophos I assume but default is 6667 only right?
 Idea: to make it super lite, we give an executable which points to kiwirc in browser. It's not fully capable as compared to a client but does the job and uses already installed good ol Firefox. What say?
 It's bit of a strech but hey! Less resources used.
[13:21] <kc2bez> The_LoudSpeaker: I use quassel. I uninstall the monolithic application and install quassel-client. I have a separate Ubuntu server that just runs quassel-core. Here is the quassel wiki page to get you started: https://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> The_LoudSpeaker: I use quassel. I uninstall the monolithic application …], I also use quassel only. Can't connect to my quassel core using the default client that we ship. Wanted you to confirm if you can.
[17:21] <kc2bez> No, you can't connect to a core with the client we ship, quassel client is  a separate package.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> No, you can't connect to a core with the client we ship, quassel client …], We should ship the combined core-client that quassel provides or not ship it at all imo.
 Honestly hexchat is better than what we ship currently and it's light also.
[17:47] <kc2bez> The client we ship works without the core, it is all together as one.
 Hexchat is lighter.
[17:49] <kc2bez> ok
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> The client we ship works without the core, it is all together as one.], Even if its all together one, it's tweaked to not connect to other core. We should remove that tweak atleast.
[18:13] <kc2bez> It isn't tweaked, they are 2 separate applications for 2 different purposes. It is all explained on the quassel wiki page.
[18:14] <kc2bez> As far as an alternative IRC client that is lighter it would be best if it was a qt application.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It isn't tweaked, they are 2 separate applications for 2 different purp …], I see. I will have to take a look.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> As far as an alternative IRC client that is lighter it would be best if …], H
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> As far as an alternative IRC client that is lighter it would be best if …], Hexchat can be ported?
 https://github.com/kvirc/KVIrc