[02:56] <jea> Afternoon skellat
[02:56] <skellat> Good afternoon
[02:56] <skellat> I think I'm in the wrong channel
[02:56] <jea> haha, that is alright
[10:08] <jea> Hi everyone
[10:09] <jea> Ready for the meeting?
[10:11] <jea_> Hi all
[10:12] <jea_> I will start the meeting if others are around for it
[10:13] <jea> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/574/detail/
[10:15] <jea> Hi ScottHarrison
[10:15] <ScottHarrison> hi Jea.
[10:15] <jea> Here for the meeting?
[10:15] <ScottHarrison> I knew it was on, more just dropping in to observe than anything else.
[10:15] <jea> Ok
[10:16] <jea> Well I haven't started it yet, because nobody else has indicated they are around
[10:16] <ScottHarrison> ok
[10:16] <jea> jared is away tonight, but I thought there would be some others
[10:17] <ScottHarrison> I'll probably be heading to bed shortly, I've got a cold but have to make it to work tomorrow.
[10:18] <jea> Ok. Well, while you are here, what are your thoughts on the re-approval of Ubuntu Australia?
[10:18] <ScottHarrison> I think it would be a positive move but to be quite frank, if this is the turnout for a meeting, do we have any hope?
[10:19] <jea> At this stage no
[10:19] <jea> We are actually doing less now than the last reapproval time, which was rejected for other reasons
[10:20] <ScottHarrison> I think we're lacking a core group of "activists" for want of a better word.
[10:20] <jea> I suspect we would have more chance in a year or so, once a few more of us have more time available
[10:21] <ScottHarrison> and by that I don't mean lacking interested people, I mean lacking interested people able to devote a substantial amount of time to activity.
[10:21] <jea> Yes, that is the problem at the moment
[10:22] <jea> The few of us who have been organising things in the past have been a lot busier outside over the past few months, so not much has got off the ground
[10:23] <ScottHarrison> I understand that, I'm working full time and about to start studying part time as well.
[10:23] <jea> The other issue we struggle with is the physical size of Australia
[10:24] <jea> it is much harder to get events running all around the country
[10:24] <jea> ScottHarrison: which state are you in?
[10:24] <ScottHarrison> Vic.
[10:25] <ScottHarrison> I'm an hour from Melbourne though, so since a lot of Linux related events are in Melbourne and Mon-Fri, attending events is complicated.
[10:25] <jea> Right. We have a few members from each state, but no 'leaders' as such for most
[10:25] <jea> That would make it harder for you
[10:27] <jea> What type of events would you be interested in participating in?
[10:28] <ScottHarrison> I would be interested in public facing events, helping people install/use Ubuntu, I'm a support technician, so helping end users is my bread and butter.
[10:29] <ScottHarrison> but also intermediate/advanced tutorials for more season users would be nice too, maybe some python workshops etc.
[10:29] <ScottHarrison> I could help a fair bit with the former but my skills aren't quite up for teaching more than the basics of Ubuntu.
[10:30] <jea> Last year jared ran a Ubuntu open day sort of thing in Brisbane. It worked fairly well, and might be something you could look at
[10:30] <jea> Would you be able to run an online session within the Ubuntu jams?
[10:31] <jea> (just thinking of different things that we could do)
[10:31] <ScottHarrison> what would that entail?
[10:32] <jea> Basically using IRC or something like a Gogle+ hangout to teach a topic to people who come along
[10:32] <jea> We have done them in the past for Translations, and a couple of other areas
[10:32] <ScottHarrison> yeah, it's something I would consider
[10:33] <jea> Great :)
[10:35] <ScottHarrison> If you like, drop me an email with an overview of whatever plan you have to get us reapproved, along with some particular jobs that need to be completed. I will take a look at it and see what I can fit in to whatever spare time I have.
[10:35] <ScottHarrison> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:36] <jea> Ok, sure. Are you on the mailing list at the moment?
[10:40] <ScottHarrison> yeah, I am.
[10:40] <ScottHarrison> Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you, I'm off to bed. Goodnight.


[03:16] <ignignok> hello
[03:17] <ignignok> anyone here help with partitioning disk for a dual install?
[03:18] <alkisg> Hi, what help?
[03:20] <ignignok> i've never done it and only know a little about partitioning tbh
[03:21] <ignignok> i was expecting a guided install like other distros but this doesn't seem to have one
[03:23] <alkisg> Kubuntu does have a guided install. What options do you get?
[03:24] <ignignok> hold on
[03:25] <ignignok> is use entire disk and setup lvm what i want?
[03:26] <ignignok> i have solus installed and did lvm and full disk install and i want kubuntu with it
[03:26] <alkisg> Ah ok that's the problem then
[03:27] <ignignok> what is?
[03:27] <alkisg> You didn't leave space for other installations
[03:28] <ignignok> so i reinstall solus and partition there?
[03:29] <ignignok> or i guess do it now with kubuntu, i don't mind wiping the disk
[03:29] <alkisg> If you don't have much experience with partitioning etc, I would suggest a simpler setup
[03:29] <alkisg> I.e. without LVM
[03:30] <alkisg> Then the "other installer" will be able to resize the partition and make space for dual installations much more easily
[03:30] <ignignok> ok, i just read the instructions on the solus install said lvm made it easier
[03:30] <ignignok> cool, thank you
[03:31] <alkisg> LVM supports live resizing and some other cool stuff, but you need to know terminal commands to do that, for example https://www.rootusers.com/lvm-resize-how-to-decrease-an-lvm-partition/
[03:31] <alkisg> Unfortunately the installers aren't yet smart enough to cooperate on lvm with other installations, afaik
[03:32] <ignignok> nothing is smart anymore
[03:32] <ignignok> any difference if i install kubuntu or solus first that you know of?
[03:33] <alkisg> I don't think so, both should be able to work fine with non-lvm setups
[03:33] <ignignok> ok, here we go again. thanks for your help
[03:34] <ignignok> go suns
[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning
 Hello, can anyone give some explanation over this if they can understand the code? The updated file seems to be the ubuntukloopnew.zip from it but I am unsure how to proceed with it.
 https://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=159&t=461537
 If possible I'd like to reproduce these steps for a different distro, idk where else to ask and am fairly new at Linux. Any help is appreciated
 How to switch from windows kubuntu without losing data
 Without losing data it's very important
 My  already have a flashed usb
 From windows to kubuntu only without losing data is not possible. Backup you important data from Windows onto a external hard drive first. (re @ADHIVP: How to switch from windows kubuntu without losing data)
 No other way
[13:15] <mparillo> How many physical drives do you have?
 C and E (re @IrcsomeBot: <mparillo> How many physical drives do you have?)
 why didn't you say so from the start....
 C that have windows installed
 E have 25 GB
 And C have  438 GB with data and windows installed
 Well you can move the data from E to C and then delete the E partition using Windows so that it would become unallocated.
 If there is any empty space on C, you could unallocate some of it because I've heard at least 40 GB is recommended for Linux, although it's your choice.
 Then install Kubuntu on the unallocated space. (re @ADHIVP: E have 25 GB)
 Oh kk
 Can you guide me setup process
 And then after the installation delete Windows, Program files, and other folders
 And I don't understand why you put your data in your OS drive
 Process of deleting drive E or
 Proccess of installing Kubuntu? (re @ADHIVP: Can you guide me setup process)
 No
 Linux swap efi like that
 It's for a friend not me (re @Flooding: And I don't understand why you put your data in your OS drive)
 I don't recall the exact steps, It would guide you at the installation, if necessary.
 You don't have to do anything in regards to SWAP, imo.
 I remember while installing, it asked me to create a FAT32 500 MB partition and label it as EFI, but your case might be different. (re @ADHIVP: Linux swap efi like that)
 Ok
 I will check in youtube
 Any way thanks
 +
 If you do the unallocatction process inside Windows before installing, the rest of installation will be easy and the chance of losing data will be minimum. (re @ADHIVP: I will check in youtube)
 Ok
 It was 12pm in my country😂😂 (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> Good morning)
[16:34] <user|75> Hi, can Kubuntu run from a usb stick and also persistent?
 you should be able to afaik
 they are already gone (re @ri5h46h: you should be able to afaik)
 exactly, i always forget to recognise that i replied to a message from irc. 😂😅
 When you use Kubuntu on live mode, if you do something like apt-get update/upgrade, will it be saved on the USB for future usages?
 I mean if you do a apt-get update/upgrade while in live mode, and then install Kubuntu, will that update/upgrade you did be applied?
[17:11] <genii> no
 So everything you do while in live mode, gets saved in RAM or in the USB (as temp files)?
[17:13] <genii> Any packages you install or updates you apply while running from the live version are in the ramdisk of the live running version
 Is there a way to make it permanent?
 So that you have a portable OS on your USB which is customized by your needs.
[17:15] <genii> When you run the installer it installs a fresh system onto whichever disk or other media you selected, it does not care what updates or packages were installed into the live one
[17:15] <genii> !persistent
[17:15] <genii> The bot's last link there is about how to make changes on a USB stay persistent
 Nice, it comes in handy. (re @IrcsomeBot: <ubottu> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent)
 How do I install Conky Manager on 20.04 LTS?
 Didn't find a working tutorial...
[17:49] <oerheks> really? 1st hit when i google ubuntu Conky Manager ...
[17:49] <oerheks> BTW  it takes a funny ppa, use at your own risk https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/07/install-conky-manager-ubuntu-20-04-lts/
[17:50] <oerheks> ..oh indeed,  that ppa is down
[17:53] <oerheks> ppa:teejee2008/ppa also skipped conky manager .. so, build it from git, 4 year old project https://github.com/teejee2008/conky-manager
[17:54] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~tomtomtom/+archive/ubuntu/conky-manager might be an answer, I hove no clue about this ppa
[17:54] <oerheks> good luck!
[17:57] <oerheks> i would write my own, 2348 pages with examples, longest tread on the forum https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2348
 As the group is full of programmers
 Can anyone tell me the best cloud storage for storing all our project
 file file_45767.MP4 too big to download (7388733 > allowed size: 1000000)
 Forwarded from unknown:
 @RikMills i don't think that video does belong here ^
[23:10] <wing> Hello


[15:11] <zkanda> Hello everyone, I'm very new to kernel debugging. I have a new laptop with skylake/nvidia drivers. I want to install the latest mainline kernel. But those won't boot, it would always says that disk not found. It works fine with 4.2/4.3 though. Any idea why?


[03:31] <justicefries> just as a wild-eyed thought
[03:33] <justicefries> i wish juju was structured a little bit more like Kubernetes where when I created a charm, I was just submitting a manifest rather than a charm with code, and my code was something more like third party resources.
[03:33] <justicefries> how this would work in practice, I couldn't tell you.
[06:24] <lazyPower> justicefries well we can skinny up that charm with layers
[06:25] <lazyPower> but that only goes so far. I guess in reality if you wanted to get *really* persnickety, you could use just a metadata that declared resources, and a single hook, but thats really not what we're here to do. Operational code is often large to handle the complexities of interactions and what that effected change means in a context to your workload.
[06:26] <lazyPower> also note: its midnight here so i hope i'm not babbling gibberish
[06:28] <junaidal1> tvansteenburgh: Any idea, when networks spaces feature is added to juju-deployer? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1642157
[06:28] <mup> Bug #1642157: deployer doesn't support juju 2.0 network-spaces feature <juju-deployer:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642157>
[07:36] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[08:17] <junaidali> Good morning kjackal
[09:48] <SimonKLB> just deployed openstack bundle with conjureup, instead of deploying them on lxd containers inside the machines it deployed all the charms on different machines
[09:48] <SimonKLB> what couldve happened to cause this?
[09:49] <SimonKLB> this is on maas btw
[09:51] <junaidali> can you share your bundle? is it openstack base bundle?
[09:51] <SimonKLB> junaidali: yes, "OpenStack base for MAAS"
[09:53] <junaidali> SimonKLB: this bundle https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/ right?
[09:53] <SimonKLB> junaidali: afaik
[09:53] <SimonKLB> junaidali: it's the pre-defined one in conjure-up, i've not added a custom bundle
[09:54] <junaidali> SimonKLB: is there a machine section in that bundle?
[09:55] <SimonKLB> junaidali: yes
[09:55] <SimonKLB> junaidali: but it might be due to the fact that it says "lxc:1" instead of "lxd:1" come to think of it
[09:55] <SimonKLB> junaidali: ive seen something similar in the past
[09:56] <SimonKLB> junaidali: never had any trouble deploying the bundle manually with juju deploy, but conjure-up seem to be tricked by it
[09:56] <stokachu> SimonKLB, whats juju status look like?
[09:57] <junaidali> SimonKLB: I've not used conjure up but manually deploying a bundle works even if there is lxc:<machine number>. Juju deploy command auto deploys to lxd
[09:57] <SimonKLB> junaidali: yes
[09:58] <SimonKLB> stokachu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23786000/
[09:58] <SimonKLB> 18 machines heh...
[09:59] <SimonKLB> i wouldnt be surprised if it was the lxc/lxd bug
[09:59] <stokachu> SimonKLB, yea gimme a few finishing something up and ill check it
[09:59] <SimonKLB> stokachu: cool, thanks
[09:59] <mskalka> SimonKLB mind showing the bundle.yaml?
[09:59] <SimonKLB> mskalka: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/openstack-base/archive/bundle.yaml
[10:00] <mskalka> ok so you're definitely on the base bundle.. that's quite odd
[10:01] <SimonKLB> mskalka: well, that's just my guess tbh, conjure-up have some bundles pre-defined
[10:01] <SimonKLB> mskalka: the one i deployed was named "OpenStack base for MAAS"
[10:01] <SimonKLB> mskalka: i assume that is the one i linked to
[10:01] <stokachu> SimonKLB, you're also on 2.1-rc1 it looks like
[10:01] <SimonKLB> stokachu: yea, thats right
[10:01] <mskalka> try pulling down the bundle from https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/ and deploying it from local
[10:01] <stokachu> ok just wanted to get the right juju version
[10:02] <SimonKLB> mskalka: will do
[10:03] <SimonKLB> anyone got a nice one-liner to empty a model of all it's applications?
[10:04] <mskalka> can't guarantee anything but it might rule out conjure-up shenanigans
[10:04] <SimonKLB> mskalka: yea
[10:04] <mskalka> other than killing the controller? Not really
[10:04] <stokachu> just destroy-model
[10:04] <stokachu> juju destroy-model
[10:05] <SimonKLB> stokachu: ah, conjure-up created a model of it's own
[10:05] <stokachu> SimonKLB, :)
[10:08] <SimonKLB> mskalka: stokachu how do i use conjure-up with a local bundle.yaml?
[10:15] <stokachu> SimonKLB, cp -a ~/.cache/conjure-up-spells/openstack-base ~/openstack-base
[10:16] <stokachu> then put your bundle in openstack-base
[10:16] <stokachu> and you can run conjure-up -d <path_to_spell>/openstack-base
[10:21] <SimonKLB> stokachu: ah, just deployed it through juju deploy now, works like it should - conjure-up will have to wait for another day
[10:21] <SimonKLB> there is an issue ticket with a similar experience that i had, i commented my problem as well https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/553
[10:50] <stokachu> SimonKLB, yea i've got someone on it
[10:50] <stokachu> hopefully will have it fixed today
[10:50] <SimonKLB> stokachu: great to hera!
[10:50] <SimonKLB> hear*
[13:28] <tvansteenburgh> junaidali: probably whenever someone submits a patch. i may get to it eventually but i doubt it'll be soon
[13:40] <pmatulis> hi, using ppa:juju/stable i install juju and juju-deployer but i get a juju 1.x type error. i notice that juju-deployer actually gets installed from universe. i think there is a packaging snafu. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/23786563/
[14:03] <tvansteenburgh> pmatulis: ftr, the most up-to-date juju-deployer is in ppa:tvansteenburgh/ppa
[14:04] <pmatulis> tvansteenburgh, oh
[14:57] <cory_fu> rick_h: https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/blob/e13c7c82396da82780c0b18c32f88c79647d09a6/examples/deploy.py (once https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/46 is merged)
[15:09] <tvansteenburgh> cory_fu: shouldn't it be loop.run(main())
[15:09] <tvansteenburgh> or loop.run_until_complete(step())
[15:10] <tvansteenburgh> i guess the former so that args can be passed
[16:46] <Catalys> Good afternoon, is manage.jujucharms.com down? (Reason my Openstack single node installation is failing)
[16:47] <magicaltrout> yup
[17:10] <smgoller> how can I force destroy a model? I've got a model that's stuck on "Waiting on model to  be removed, 8 machine(s)...
[17:10] <magicaltrout> can you remove-machine?
[17:10] <smgoller> no
[17:10] <magicaltrout> unlucky
[17:10] <magicaltrout> dunno then
[17:12] <lazyPower> smgoller juju remove-machine # --force is your saving grace here as magicaltrout pointed out.
[17:13]  * magicaltrout gets lucky \o/
[17:13] <lazyPower> sometimes, i've seen slow cloud cause issues where models can take up to 20 minutes to be reaped, and force removing the machines seemed to have done the trick
[17:13] <smgoller> this is a maas cluster, and i've run that command and the machine is still not gone.
[17:14] <lazyPower> its the controller doing the right thing trying to execute all the extant removal hooks, (*-departed, *-broken, stop), and then issue a removal request via the cloud api.
[17:14] <smgoller> i released the machines on the maas side now so I'm just trying to figure out how to clean up without killing the controller
[17:14] <lazyPower> smgoller - is this 2.0.2?
[17:14] <smgoller> yes
[17:14] <lazyPower> smgoller - can you tail your controller logsync file and see if there's anything pertinent spamming in the controller logs so we can file a bug?
[17:15] <lazyPower> this smells of a regressionb ut we're going to need a root cause to be helpful
[17:15] <smgoller> where is that located?
[17:16] <lazyPower> you can juju switch controller && juju ssh 0 && tail -f /var/log/juju/*.log
[17:16] <lazyPower> er that last && wont work as a chain, you'll probably need to put that in the ssh session
[17:16] <smgoller> i know what's wrong
[17:16] <smgoller> it's not juju
[17:16] <magicaltrout> you coming to gent this year lazyPower ?
[17:16] <lazyPower> magicaltrout yessir
[17:16] <magicaltrout> excellent
[17:16] <lazyPower> smgoller oh ok! do tell if you get it resolved
[17:17] <smgoller> controller can't resolve the hostname of the maas server
[17:17] <smgoller> is the actual problem
[17:17] <lazyPower> magicaltrout i took a look at the mesos/k8s integration bits over holiday. we might actually get to that this year
[17:17] <smgoller> so i'm good. thanks!
[17:17] <lazyPower> smgoller oh awesome! thats good to hear (not that its a quibble, but that its  not a regression)
[17:17] <smgoller> yes :)
[17:17] <magicaltrout> nice one lazyPower I've got one of my guys working very slowly on LXC support for Mesos
[17:17] <lazyPower> oh snap
[17:18] <smgoller> i prefer problems to be mine instead of the software's i'm using
[17:18] <lazyPower> lex dee in mesos :D
[17:18] <magicaltrout> I need to sort out my Mesos charms and get them up to date as well
[17:18] <magicaltrout> then bring in flannel
[17:18] <magicaltrout> they have support in there somewhere
[17:18] <lazyPower> magicaltrout yep, lmk when you've got that in the pipeline and i can try to schedule out some time to collab so we can do an external scheduler relation
[17:20] <magicaltrout> yeah that would be good. I moved all my existing stuff to DC/OS as a test platform, but DC/OS is just Marathon with a fancy UI and some authentication, so I reckon we can do that nicely in Juju, but then it doesn't have the universe packager and stuff, but i reckon if LXC works as a cloud provider in Mesos, who cares! ;)
[17:21] <lazyPower> ^
[17:21] <lazyPower> that
[17:22] <lazyPower> we can do universe packager as a stretch goal whenever someone wants it eh?
[17:22] <magicaltrout> indeed its only marathon apps wrapped up in a git repo
[17:22] <magicaltrout> still need to write my cfgmgmtcamp talk =/
[17:22] <magicaltrout> when don't I need to write a talk?
[17:23] <magicaltrout> and sumbit some to apachecon
[17:23] <jrwren> only during the 1hr you are actualy giving a talk do you need to not write a talk. :)
[17:23] <magicaltrout> aye, even then though....
[17:25] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: got any cool K8S demo stuff? I have a conference I'm sponsoring full of developers in a few weeks, gonna take down a screen and stuff
[17:26] <lazyPower> yeah, i wrote up an ARK server workload
[17:26] <lazyPower> i hear games steal the show when you demo neat stuff with moving game servers
[17:26] <magicaltrout> there will certainly be game and app developers there
[17:26] <lazyPower> k let me get you my resource files
[17:26] <magicaltrout> banging
[17:26] <lazyPower> you'll need to drop the $20 on steam for the game tho
[17:26] <lazyPower> prepare your wallet
[17:26] <magicaltrout> i'm over it
[17:27] <lazyPower> that soon huh?
[17:27] <magicaltrout> lol, if it gets me work :P
[17:27] <lazyPower> magicaltrout https://gist.github.com/99a68eb6602b2a9502f79315517969b2
[17:28] <lazyPower> you'll want to scrub that private registry image link, incoming second gist wit the docker bits to build the server image
[17:28] <lazyPower> https://gist.github.com/c3c3c5be88ec31b288a18b6577a8c832
[17:31] <magicaltrout> excellenet
[17:31] <magicaltrout> thanks lazyPower
[17:31] <lazyPower> np, lmk if you have any issues with that
[17:31] <lazyPower> its oddly specific to my homelab
[17:31] <lazyPower> so there's maybe dragons in there i'm not aware of
[17:33] <bugg> oops
[17:33] <bugg> don't kill tmux
[17:35] <magicaltrout> I'll spin it up in AWS next week lazyPower and let you know if anything starts crying
[17:36] <magicaltrout> looking forward to it, not sponsored an event before. Gonna take along a bunch of Juju stuff, K8S, build pipelines for auto build and deployment, data processing etc
[17:36] <magicaltrout> see if it gets any love
[17:37] <magicaltrout> sam is going to sort me out with some marketing stuff as well now I have the master services agreement signed
[17:39] <lazyPower> nice
[17:40] <lazyPower> you should get some love with that stack, being able to deploy it and demonstrate it at the drop of a hat is a nice feather to have on your tail
[19:21] <stokachu> aluria, can we get the review queue in the topic changed to review.jujucharms.com?
[19:22] <aluria> jam, jcastro: ^
[19:23] <aluria> stokachu: I'm not a jujudev -- but cheers :)
[19:24] <stokachu> ah just showed you the last person to update the topic
[19:43] <Teranet> ok who has Openstack on Juju experiance ? I do have an contrainer issue and don't know how to tackle it
[20:05] <stokachu> jcastro, thanks
[20:06] <pmatulis> Teranet, just ask a well-formulated question and see if someone can answer
[20:19] <admcleod_> Teranet: whats the issue?
[21:05] <Teranet> HI I do have a hook error which I don't know how to fix : hook failed: "cloud-compute-relation-changed" for nova-compute:cloud-compute
[21:06] <Teranet> THis is on Nova-Cloud-Controller
[21:06] <Teranet> and also neutron-gateway is blocked
[21:06] <Teranet> all other container look green and ok
[21:15] <kwmonroe> Teranet: does debug-log give you any more details? "juju debug-log --replay" will give you the whole log; if that's too much info, you can restrict it to unit with "juju debug-log -i unit-nova-compute -XX --replay", where 'XX' is the unit number of your failing unit.
[21:16] <kwmonroe> er, that should be "-i unit-nova-compute-XX" <-- no space between the unit and unit number
[21:36] <admcleod> Teranet: if you find anything with kwmonroe 's suggestion could you pastebin and give us the link?
[21:41] <Teranet> yes ofcourse sorry totally alseep today up since 4AM :-(
[21:42] <Teranet> Here is the pastbin result : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23788886/
[21:42] <Teranet> and it's now clear to me what the real issue is
[21:43] <Teranet> it's like persistant but not willingly to tell me what's wrong with it.
[21:44] <Teranet> new link : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23788899/
[21:44] <Teranet> I added a full status overview of the juju containers as well
[21:45] <Teranet> it's just I am pulling my hair out because I don't really see how to see the real error or how to fix it. :-(
[21:45] <Teranet> Which drives me crazy
[21:46] <admcleod> teranet: if you "juju ssh" to one rabbit node, can you ping the hostname of the other rabbit node?
[21:46] <Teranet> Yes don't worry about rabbitMQ for now
[21:47] <Teranet> that's a man mad issue :-)
[21:50] <admcleod> Teranet: well it looks like a problem with reverse dns on the nova cloud controller node, you might also want to ask the same question / paste the logs in openstack-charms
[21:52] <kwmonroe> yeah Teranet, #openstack-charms might be better a better place.. admcleod, just out of morbid curiosity, does nova-cloud-controller :: nova-compute have the same nonsensical rev dns requirement that namenode :: datanode has?  any way to be "ip-only" in an openstack env?
[21:53] <admcleod> kwmonroe: i think there is a requirement for forward and reverse to work and match up
[21:54] <admcleod> kwmonroe: so.. i assume, dont know for sure, even if you used IP's it would do both checks
[21:55] <elbalaa> hi all, is juju dead?
[21:57] <Teranet> what forward and revers ?? Juju don't control DNS nor does MAAS or OpenStack
[21:58] <kwmonroe> elbalaa: my juju lives.  strong like bull.
[21:58] <admcleod> Teranet: the hook is failing because of an NXDOMAIN error
[21:58] <kwmonroe> Teranet: line 220 of your first paste
[21:58] <Teranet> where do you see the NXDOMAIN ?? ok let me check
[21:59] <admcleod> Teranet: also i think MAAS should be handling the DNS
[21:59] <admcleod> Teranet: but i have very little maas knowledge
[21:59] <Teranet> Maas only does do DHCP but won't do DNS
[22:00] <Teranet> our Corp is to big and complex which does not allow dynamic DNS
[22:01] <admcleod> Teranet: are you following any particular set of instructions for this deployment?
[22:05] <admcleod> Teranet: https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/487
[22:05] <Teranet> Yes I do follow the last OpenStack/Ubuntu deployment setup which I rewrite right now for Cluster Enviroments like we use at Rackspace and IBM right now
[22:06] <admcleod> Teranet: i was wondering what that setup mentions about DNS. also see the link i just posted
[22:06] <admcleod> elbalaa: is that a philosophical question?
[22:07] <Teranet> ... one sec let me check
[22:09] <Teranet> I don't see where to repoint DNS to MAAS I do see certain records in MAAS DNS but that's it
[22:12] <elbalaa> admcleod: wow juju does windows
[22:12] <admcleod> Teranet: just before you said 'maas only does do DHCP but won't do DNS' - has it been disabled? you may also want to ask about this in #maas.


[00:08] <maix> just wanted to inform you that http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown the image of the right counter is missing
[00:08] <maix> http://www.ubuntu.com/files/countdown/910/countdown-9.10-2/00.png
[00:09] <newz2000> thanks maix, will check it
[00:09] <maix> ok fine
[00:09] <maix> good night
[00:37] <Turl> newz2000: ubuntu didn't have an animated counter this time :/
[00:39] <newz2000> Turl, yeah, there was a valiant attempt but it just didn't quite happen in time
[00:40] <Turl> guess we can reuse the animation for Lucid, as nobody saw it hehe :P
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> newz2000: Quick Q: Do you know whether someone is planning to / lined up to announce in #ubuntu-release-party in addition to the usual e-mail once things are all set?  We'd like to know whether someone from #ubuntu-ops needs to be watching for the note or if someone will come do it when the time comes.
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> Also, I'm told to tell you that keeping us informed will annoy mneptok greatly.....
[09:51] <newz2000> hah
[09:51] <newz2000> it is customary for someone to announce in #u-r-c
[09:56] <thorwil> got 112 views from http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown yesterday. already 94 today
[09:58] <newz2000> hola alejandraobregon
[13:34]  * jpds pokes newz2000
[13:34] <newz2000> hey, stop poking. :-)
[13:34] <jpds> newz2000: Can you include a link to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror
[13:35] <jpds> newz2000: People on slashdot might want to find release mirrors.
[13:35] <newz2000> let me ponder it
[14:06] <jpds> 14:05:28 < Rawh> funny link on their post pointing towards hotwo setup a mirror
[14:06] <jpds> 14:05:36 < Rawh> instead of really putting a download location there <.<
[14:06] <jpds> newz2000: ^-- :)
[14:09] <newz2000> jpds: what is this?
[14:09] <jpds> newz2000: Oh, the release story on slashdot.org.
[14:10] <jpds> They link to 14:05:28 < Rawh> funny link on their post pointing towards hotwo setup a mirror
[14:10] <newz2000> bah
[14:10] <jpds> Fail.
[14:10] <jpds> link to 14:05:28 < Rawh> funny link on their post pointing towards hotwo setup a mirror
[14:10] <jpds> ARG!
[14:10] <jpds> newz2000: They link to the mirror page, hence why I suggested adding the +cdmirrors bit.
[15:12] <MTecknology> You guys screwed up on the torrent downloads - the headings are for yesterday
[15:12] <MTecknology> just fyi
[16:32] <MadsRH>  newz2000 -> you're probably buried in work today, but I just wanted to ask you if you already know about the frontpage bug, before I file a bug? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/175241/Sk%C3%A6rmbillede.png
[16:33] <newz2000> MadsRH: no, didn't know, go ahead and file it
[20:23] <SiDi> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/xubuntu definately needs an upgrade :|


[00:37] <mapps> yo
[00:37] <mapps> what to do
[02:45] <mapp> well
[02:45] <mapp> bad neighbours wasnt bad..better than i expected
[02:45] <mapp> :)
[02:52] <mapp> noone else around?
[07:34] <DJones> Morning all
[07:34] <popey> yo
[07:35] <DJones> no-ip appears to be back to normal
[07:45] <SuperMatt> huzzah
[07:46] <SuperMatt> my date/time indicator is missing from gnome-flashback. Anyone know how to get it back without logging out and back in again
[07:46] <SuperMatt> gnome-panel --replace didn't work
[07:58] <SuperMatt> oooh, in searching for how to fix that, I finally found out how to add panels to my second screen
[08:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:09] <bashrc> morning
[08:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:39] <dwatkins> no-ip is great, but all my routers only have an option for dyndns
[08:39] <dwatkins> also, good morning
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[08:43] <DJones> dwatkins: Same here, router only has dyndns, I just use ddclient to update no-ip
[08:45] <foobarry> anyone on ipv6?
[08:45] <foobarry> is www6.bbc.co.uk a real site?
[08:47] <bigcalm> dwatkins: run openwrt and then have ddclient run from it. Or run ddclient on an always on server in your home
[08:48] <bigcalm> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/ddns.client
[09:17]  * bashrc uses freeDNS
[09:25] <bigcalm> Once I move from VirginMedia to PlusNet, the need for ddns will diminish slightly :)
[09:25] <popey> ooh, plusnet
[09:25] <bigcalm> Going to pay a fiver for a static IP address
[09:26] <popey> lolnet
[09:26] <popey> http://www.plus.net/support/acslaw.shtml
[09:27] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[09:27] <bigcalm> I want FTTC, unlimited usage and a fair price
[09:27] <bigcalm> PlusNet seems to fit the bill
[09:28] <foobarry> "Plusnet takes the security of our customers' data very seriously indeed, and we are very concerned that information we were legally obliged to share in confidence with a third party has been made public on the Internet."
[09:28] <Myrtti> zen internet ♥
[09:28] <Myrtti> we've got their FTTC with unlimited usage (I think)
[09:39] <awilkins> Anyone use arbtt ?
[09:39] <awilkins> (Automatic Rule Based Time Tracker) ..
[09:47] <awilkins> Oh wow, this may be exactly what I wanted
[09:47] <awilkins> Fulfils stages 1 and 2 of the Fully Automated Record Time system
[09:47] <awilkins> (yes, I am a bad man who thinks up things with naughty acronyms)
[09:57] <foobarry> .win 9
[10:59] <dwatkins> Windows 9... *shudder*
[11:03] <foobarry> my DE blocks alt-9 for irssi
[11:03] <foobarry> have to type /win 9
[11:06] <popey> my terminal used to block alt+t
[11:22] <awilkins> Is there a way to name workspaces out of the box with Unity?
[11:22] <awilkins> Interested from the POV of being able to name a workspace and dedicate it to a particular project
[11:22] <awilkins> (and use that name to feed a helper for my time logging)
[11:23] <jpds> In your mind, yes.
[11:23] <awilkins> So more of a "change the names on the fly" thing than "fix the names"
[11:23] <awilkins> I know you can change workspace names, just don't see a way to do it included with Unity
[11:31] <popey> dont think so
[12:08] <ali1234> what is oneconf and why does it crash so much?
[12:11] <ali1234> why is it even running if it is only used by the software centre?
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> isn't oneconf related to Ubuntu One?
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> which was shut down a few days ago.. or supposed to anyway
[12:52] <ali1234> i dunno. it is only used by the software center so i just uninstalled it
[13:37] <diddledan> morning
[13:50] <foobarry> xfce has a gnome shell type activity dash
[13:50] <foobarry> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_LAuVgVzClA/U7VAD6U_UfI/AAAAAAAATas/HMj_UL3PJ0w/s1600/xfdashboard_1.png
[13:52] <nigelb> why are more things that way o_O
[13:52]  * nigelb hugs awesome
[13:54] <SuperMatt> nigelb: actually I like things like taht
[13:55] <nigelb> SuperMatt: dash type things?
[13:55] <SuperMatt> yeah
[13:55] <nigelb> I must just be weird :)
[13:56] <SuperMatt> I like to be able to see everything that's running all at once
[13:56] <nigelb> I found most of them have more mouse interaction than keyboard.
[13:56] <nigelb> (that's my one big gripe with unity)
[13:58] <foobarry> been so happy with elementary since the demise of gnome2+docky
[13:58] <foobarry> mixture of bling and functional
[13:58] <foobarry> some people say the same of unity of course
[14:11]  * popey looks forward to Ubuntu MATE Remix arriving
[14:14] <davmor2> popey: see I said you liked stuff from the 80's, next you'll be saying vim or emacs instead of gedit ;)
[14:17] <popey> hehe
[14:23] <diddledan> if you like stuff from the 80s, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVfIFrpslI
[14:23] <diddledan> I think that's awesome video
[14:24] <diddledan> love the remixed music
[14:25] <davmor2> diddledan: some people have too much time on their hands
[14:25] <diddledan> hehe
[14:36] <brobostigon> is there a way to push log file changes to my droid?
[14:38] <davmor2> I think I might be watching the epic film with the line "It's 106 Miles to Chicago, got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing Sunglasses" tonight talking about 80's stuff :)
[14:40] <diddledan> blues brothers?
[14:40] <davmor2> diddledan: Indeed
[14:40] <diddledan> \o/
[14:42] <davmor2> diddledan: that or the one with the Yello song throughout
[14:50] <Laney> bah
[14:50] <Laney> spotify have broken their apt repo
[14:50] <brobostigon> wooops
[14:50] <Laney> wtf
[14:51] <Laney> it's downloading some facebook html
[14:51] <nigelb> lol
[14:53] <mapps> wokeup at like 9am to my old dell making a horrendous noise again:D
[14:54] <bashrc> fan trouble?
[14:55] <mapps> no idea
[14:56] <mapps> fans all going fine
[14:56] <mapps> not sure what the hell it is
[14:56] <mapps> is http://frogs.zapto.org working? and also https://frogs.zapto.org
[14:56] <mapps> strange IP i've got..starting with 2
[14:56] <mapps> :D
[14:56] <mapps> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <diddledan> mapps: apparently the internet is full
[15:01] <mapps> yes
[15:01] <mapps> :D
[15:01] <mapps> thanks
[15:01] <diddledan> consider me well and truly fscked off
[15:01] <mapps> like my photography
[15:02] <mapps> my cats on the sofa
[15:02] <mapps> ;]
[15:02] <diddledan> I'm not sure, but has that been photoshopped at all?
[15:02] <mapps> heh
[15:02] <mapps> clearly :P
[15:02] <diddledan> I thought so, I could tell from the pixels
[15:02] <mapps> obv you knew heh , its off @lsdcats on twitter
[15:02] <mapps> lol
[15:04] <diddledan> the https version seems to be timing out
[15:04] <mapps> oh no
[15:05] <mapps> gah
[15:05] <mapps> if anyone has a spare few mins can they have a look at : https://forums.openvpn.net/topic16251.html - basically had this issue for ages..asked on the forum before..in #openvpn and #openvpn-as seached google and got nowhere
[15:06] <mapps> cant see what i'm doing wrong..and if nothing..how noone else has had this issue..or not mentioned it=[
[15:12] <diddledan> no idea
[15:12] <mapps> argh!
[15:12] <mapps> its kinda annoying as you can imagine if you read the post:)
[15:27] <diddledan> it seems journos are now trying to make a story out of rolf harris just because he's convicted of crimes: there's absolutely nothing of report in this article other than the complete lack of report: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2014/jul/02/i-saw-rolf-harris-dark-side-portrait-queen-art
[15:27] <ujjain> Is there a site where you could place an ad if you would want somebody to place curtains in your place? I already bought the curtains, etc.
[15:27] <diddledan> "you knew then, but did nothing" to quote independence day
[15:28] <diddledan> i.e. if this journo thought something was up why didn't he speak out?!
[15:28] <diddledan> as to the portrait of the queen it's actually quite good
[15:29] <diddledan> ujjain: craigslist?
[15:29] <diddledan> ujjain: you could offer some sexual favours to ensure it gets accepted
[15:30] <diddledan> (is craigslist still the bottomhole of society's escorts?)
[15:50] <bashrc> the rofl harris thing is just sad
[15:52] <foobarry> newspapers are sad too
[15:52] <foobarry> s/sad/evil
[15:53] <bashrc> yet another celebrity child abuser.  I'm beginning to see a pattern emerging
[15:55] <diddledan> pretty much anyone who was anyone from the 80s is indicted it seems
[15:56] <diddledan> except the hoff
[15:56] <Myrtti> the best place to hide is in plain sight
[15:56] <diddledan> because he's the hoff
[16:37] <mapps> bashrc yep
[16:37] <mapps> thing is, these celebs are untouchable at first. it seems treated liker royalty
[16:38] <mapps> young girls throw themselves at them and these vile animals abuse that
[16:38] <bashrc> I think the take home message is that celebrity is a sort of power, and people with power often abuse it in a variety of ways
[16:39] <mapps> diddledan craigslis and gumtree are fraudster central arent they? prob people selling blocked phones and ythe like
[16:39] <mapps> people asking for western union payments etc lol
[16:39] <mapps> whatever it is, disgusting pathetic men
[16:40] <mapps> sad specimens, not an ounce of decency , they don't even admit it when they're banged to rights and instead waste the court and everyone elses time
[16:47] <bashrc> I think the solution is really a change of attitude towards celebrity.  It seems that many of those cases were reported at the time but disbelieved by managers
[16:48] <bashrc> it's possible that if there hadn't been quite such a deferent attitude then some of those folks would not have had multi-decade careers
[16:51] <popey> http://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-remix-alpha1/
[16:51] <popey> :D
[16:52] <mapps> yea bashrc celebs can do no wrong kinda thing
[16:53] <mapps> going to Riga in 7 weeks :)
[16:54] <diddledan> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/your-android-device-telling-world-where-youve-been
[16:55] <mapps> 2 euros a pint i can afford that!
[16:56] <diddledan> I'd prefer the reverse: two pints a euro
[16:56] <diddledan> :-p
[16:56] <mapps> heh
[16:56] <mapps> still its like 1.59
[16:56] <mapps> makes it ok when they expect a tip!!
[16:57] <mapps> £44 flight there
[16:57] <mapps> so cheap
[16:57] <mapps> but 115 return some reason
[17:04] <Azelphur> I wonder if google play uses a shipping method that does saturday shipping
[17:07] <mapps> travelling with just hand luggage is so easy..can fit my nexus7/netbook and enough clothes for a week dunno why people take a suitcase for 7 days
[17:07] <mapps> isnt it parcel force
[17:07] <mapps> what you ordering Azelphur
[17:07] <Azelphur> the G Watch :)
[17:08] <diddledan> Azelphur: <3
[17:08] <diddledan> Azelphur: I want one, too
[17:08] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:09] <diddledan> Azelphur: they ship tomorrow, right?
[17:09] <Azelphur> diddledan: indeed
[17:09] <diddledan> aah, they've changed it now to "in 1-2 days"
[17:10] <Azelphur> nah, it's a wrangling of wording, they say "ships in 1-2 days"
[17:10] <diddledan> yesterday it was saying the 4th
[17:10] <Azelphur> mines for shipment on the 4th
[17:10] <Azelphur> mine still says Status: To be dispatched from warehouse on 04/07/2014
[17:10] <mapps> how much are they
[17:11] <diddledan> mapps: 159: https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=lg_g_watch_black
[17:11] <mapps> ah not too much
[17:11] <mapps> no good for me tho
[17:12] <mapps> iphone 5s;p
[17:14] <diddledan> stuff magazine is going to drop scantily-clad women from their cover
[17:58] <diddledan> sophie e b does dolly parton's jolene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E6MdiDvLeSw
[17:59] <daftykins> i need to stand next to her so i look tanned
[17:59] <diddledan> heh
[18:00] <popey> i quite liked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw
[18:01] <diddledan> popey: I'm assuming that's before miley went nuts?
[18:01] <popey> ya
[18:02] <diddledan> she's much better when she's not being outrageous
[18:05] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6H4r1kWqSM
[18:06] <davmor2> popey: amazing how similarly their voices pitch
[18:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: you need an excuse to be a lazy developer? Just Don't work all day that should make you a lazy dev ;)
[20:35] <diddledan> how weird is this: I've got synergy set up with one guest connected to the server. My keyboard and mouse are stuck on the guest and can't be transferred to the server
[20:35] <diddledan> I could understand it if things were the other way about with the server retaining the keyboard/mouse and not transferring to the guest but this seems backasswards
[20:36] <ali1234> it means your config is messed up
[20:37] <diddledan> it was working fine until just now tho
[20:37] <diddledan> I've not changed anything
[20:37] <ali1234> there is a hotkey to lock to one display
[20:37] <ali1234> but i thought it was disabled by default
[20:37] <ali1234> but like i said... synergy is really buggy
[22:45] <diddledan> yikes, I've not blogged in ages
[22:45] <diddledan> my last entry is from december