[00:30] <yotux> I saw request for help with Nvidia Drivers I would like to help out
[00:32] <RAOF> Which request?  Nouveau or the binary nvidia drivers?
[00:33] <yotux> proprietary drivers, so I think binary
[00:34] <yotux> Sorry I failed to read who to email
[00:46] <bryceh> yotux, contact ara
[00:47] <yotux> am going to do so thank you
[03:54] <tjaalton> bryceh: merged mesa 7.7-4, though it pulled from the stable branch and probably would need some paperwork
[03:55] <tjaalton> didn't upload of course due to a3
[03:58] <bryceh> tjaalton, ok
[04:01] <tjaalton> do you think we need standing FFe's for mesa & xserver? there's 7.7.1 coming late March and 1.7.6 "some time"
[04:13] <bryceh> tjaalton, as long as we can justify them as bug-fix only releases, I think we're covered by the point release policy
[04:14] <bryceh> tjaalton, although it couldn't hurt to do an FFe anyway if you think it'd help to have added visibility on them
[04:16] <tjaalton> bryceh: alright, maybe when those point-releases happen then :)
[04:17] <bryceh> btw, I've started tagging bugs by the release they were reported against, so when looking at bugs we can query for has_tag==lucid
[04:18] <tjaalton> is there a tag for edgers=
[04:18] <tjaalton> ?
[04:18] <bryceh> no, but there probably should be
[04:18] <bryceh> do you like 'edgers'?  I can add that to the processor
[04:20] <tjaalton> it's alright I guess
[04:20] <bryceh> done
[04:21] <bryceh> the script runs once a week on saturday
[04:23] <tjaalton> ok
[04:36] <bryceh> 1.6.4 feels sooo old
[04:38] <tjaalton> ancient..
[18:07] <toabctl_> hi
[18:08] <toabctl> hi
[18:08] <toabctl> can anybody help with bug #527912 ?
[19:09] <tjaalton> toabctl: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4B3A8A6B.20205%40openwebboard.org&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss
[19:11] <toabctl> tjaalton, why do you know that the kernel component doesn't support the tablet?
[19:12] <tjaalton> toabctl: because the id isn't listed there
[19:12] <toabctl> ok
[19:16] <tjaalton> none of the new bamboo's are
[19:22] <toabctl> hm. shit
[19:34] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: i'm pretty sure mesa shouldn't require a FFe, i dont see any new features since our snapshot just bugfixes? xserver probably would though since it reenables the record extension though then again thats just fixing something that was broken.. :D kklimonda: got a dmesg from it failing with the newer nouveau? I added the no firmware required patch to that one
[19:36] <tseliot> Sarvatt: what change in mesa?
[19:36] <Sarvatt> 7.7-4 from 7.7-3
[19:37] <tseliot> ok
[19:39] <Sarvatt> maybe we should drop mach64 since its not in the kernel and would save ~1MB of cd space
[19:40] <Sarvatt> if squashfs compresses similar to gzip -9 that is
[19:40] <Sarvatt> makes almost no difference in the deb size since its lzma but its about 930k at gzip -9
[19:41] <Sarvatt> it required building the drm kernel modules from libdrm 2.4.15 or older and all that was dropped from libdrm
[19:41] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: ok
[19:42] <tjaalton> is the cd-size an issue still?
[19:43] <Sarvatt> i see them talking about dropping language packs all the time in -devel and not being able to fit french or german right now
[19:43] <jcristau> Sarvatt: seems sane to me..
[19:43] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[19:46] <Sarvatt> i810 and sis i'm unsure about too, i never was able to get sis to work at all but I havent found any more info on it
[19:57] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: I got nothing in dmesg but there was a "CtxProg is still running" message printed on vt along with some other message - I didn't have a camera to make screenshot and couldn't get it to display again later so I guess it doesn't help :)
[19:58] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: no - wait, I have it
[19:59] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/u3yLdEvW - SAK is from me trying to get some response from system :)
[20:14] <bryceh> Sarvatt, -sis we should keep; I periodically get bug reports on it so someone must use it
[20:14] <bryceh> i810 can go, that's long obsolete
[20:15] <bryceh> I think with disk space, the dropping of Gimp bought a bit of breathing room, but we're adding nouveau bits now so if there's stuff we can excise from the cd it'd be a nice thing to do
[20:15] <bryceh> and of course debdiffs welcome :-)
[20:24] <toabctl> tjaalton, in xf86-input-wacom-0.10.4/src/wcmUSB.c are some lines like:{ 0xD3, 2540, 2540, &usbBamboo     }, /* CTL-660 */
[20:24] <toabctl> but there is no line for the cth-661
[20:25] <toabctl> i would like to add a line but i don't know what the 3 parameters stand for.
[20:28] <tjaalton> toabctl: so the cth-661 and ctl-660 share the same id
[20:28] <tjaalton> no need to change anything
[20:29] <tjaalton> linuxwacom has the needed kernel bits
[20:29] <tjaalton> too bad that the git repo doesn't
[20:30] <toabctl> tjaalton, linuxwacom==linuxwacom-0.8.4 ? and git==xf86-input-wacom? right?
[20:30] <jcristau> for the kernel, git == linux-2.6.git, i guess
[20:31] <toabctl> tjaalton, i don't know where to find the kernel module for wacom
[20:31] <tjaalton> wacom-kernel git actually
[20:34] <tjaalton> toabctl: get the linuxwacom tarball
[20:34] <tjaalton> 0.8.5-10
[20:35] <toabctl> tjaalton, and there's the code for the kernel module? (the code organisation looks very confusing for me)
[20:35] <tjaalton> yes (and it is)
[20:38] <toabctl> tjaalton, and where can i find the kernel driver in the ubuntu repository?
[20:39] <jcristau> comes with your kernel.  /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/input/tablet/wacom.ko
[20:41] <tjaalton> right
[20:41] <toabctl> jcristau, and how to find out from which source this module was build? from 0.8.4? or <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:41] <tjaalton> toabctl: what came with the kernel
[20:42] <tjaalton> linuxwacom used to ship the code as well
[20:42] <tjaalton> see what version it declares
[20:42] <tjaalton> in the linuxwacom kernel source
[20:42] <toabctl> tjaalton, so the module is shiped by the mainline kernel? it's not a ubuntu patch?
[20:42] <tjaalton> right
[20:42] <toabctl> ah. ok.
[20:45] <tjaalton> the kernel code was split into wacom-kernel git, but seems like it's not being updated
[20:52] <toabctl> tjaalton, and how do i know which kernel version i need for linuxwacom-0.8.5-10? this version doesn't compile for me..
[20:53] <tjaalton> toabctl: you don't want or need to compile the whole of linuxwacom
[20:53] <tjaalton> diff the kernel code and patch the kernel sources, or just copy the files and then build the kernel
[21:25] <toabctl> tjaalton, thanks for the help. but i think it's to complex for me to fix it.
[21:25] <tjaalton> toabctl: :)
[21:26] <toabctl> tjaalton, do you think it's a big thing or will tha tablet be supported in some weeks? or no idea?
[21:27] <tjaalton> toabctl: I'm not sure it'll be supported in lucid at all, tbh
[21:27] <tjaalton> judging by what was said on #ubuntu-kernel earlier
[21:27] <toabctl> tjaalton, ok. thanks a lot for the help and information!
[21:31] <superm1> tseliot, is it intended that users are switched from nvidia->nouveau on karmic->lucid upgrade?
[21:32] <superm1> i just upgraded one of my installs two days ago and this happened to me
[21:32] <tseliot> superm1: I don't think so
[21:32] <superm1> would it be expected if I had nvidia-glx-195 installed (rather than -190) though?
[21:33] <superm1> er -190 rather than -185 that is
[21:34] <bjsnider> also, what happens to the nvidia-xxx-libvdpau package in such a situation?
[21:35] <superm1> i can file a bug with whatever logs came up for this to help diagnose
[21:35] <superm1> but i suspect it's the same thing that will happen to anyone using that ppa of yours bjsnider
[21:35] <superm1> would the appropriate thing be 'ubuntu-bug update-manager' to grab all such logs?
[21:36] <bjsnider> superm1, you were using the 190 driver out of my ppa?
[21:36] <superm1> bjsnider, i'm not sure if it was your PPA or the ~mythbuntu PPA.  it's basically the same packaging either way though
[21:37] <tseliot> superm1: we have 195 in Lucid now and, unless your package was epoched it should have gone well
[21:37] <superm1> certainly wasn't
[21:38] <bjsnider> tseliot, why not add a conflicts: nvidia-xxx-libvdpau to nvidia-current?
[21:38] <superm1> but nvidia-glx-185 might not have been installed
[21:38] <superm1> because of it being named differently in the ppa's
[21:38] <superm1> so the upgrade process might not have known what to do about it
[21:38] <tseliot> superm1: I guess my packages only replace nvidia-glx-185
[21:39] <superm1> well i'll file the bug when i get home and we can all look and see what's possible for a solution
[21:39] <superm1> i'm certain there's lots of users using these PPAs for newer drivers, so it would be best to try to cover as many of them as possible
[21:39] <superm1> even if the solution is pushing something new to those PPAs for people to upgrade to before the upgrade
[21:40] <bjsnider> i could do that
[21:40] <superm1> it was certainly a poor experience when i tried to go play a recording and the machine just hung there because it couldn't find a suitable vdpau backend anymore :)
[21:41] <bjsnider> superm1, you mean it went to nouveau without you realizing it at the time?
[21:41] <superm1> bjsnider, yup
[21:41] <superm1> i mean there wasn't any tell-tale signs since i didn't use 3d, and i still had 1080p being output
[21:42] <superm1> i only used the video playback acceleration of vdpau
[21:42] <bjsnider> nouveau must work pretty well on your hardware
[21:42] <bjsnider> you wouldn've had kms too
[21:43] <superm1> i didn't pay attention to the bootup - the tv was off, so i have no idea if KMS was working
[21:43] <superm1> i did notice the redraws were a little slow in the menus though
[21:44] <bjsnider> superm1, what is the difference between mythbuntu and mythtv?
[21:44] <superm1> bjsnider, mythbuntu is a preconfigured installation with lots of things to better integrate with the OS setup for you
[21:45] <superm1> and extra tools for configuration of other pieces that aren't part of mythtv either
[21:45] <superm1> you can certainly add any of them to an ubuntu install though
[21:45] <bjsnider> such as what extra things?
[21:45] <superm1> mythbuntu-control-center is the biggest
[21:45] <superm1> it's kinda a one-stop shop for configuration of anything HTPC related on the box
[21:45] <bjsnider> so it's supposed to integrate with ubuntu better than mythtv by itself would?
[21:46] <superm1> well all the stuff is in the ubuntu archive, so you can achieve the same results yourself by installing all the pieces if you want
[21:46] <superm1> the stuff on the PPA's is just daily builds of mythtv
[21:48] <bjsnider> i see
[21:48] <superm1> some of the goals of the ubuntu desktop clash with what you would normally use an HTPC for too, so this only gives you the components you're gonna need for HTPC usage
[21:48] <bjsnider> is it built for multiple distros?
[21:49] <superm1> No, it's ubuntu only
[21:49] <tseliot> superm1: what's the PPA?
[21:49] <superm1> our cdimages are produced on cdimages.ubuntu.com etc
[21:49] <superm1> tseliot, the ~mythbuntu PPA?
[21:49] <tseliot> superm1: the one with the nvidia packages
[21:49] <bjsnider> superm1, i mean different ubuntu distros, like jaunty, intrepid etc.
[21:49] <superm1> tseliot, it was either this https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/trunk-0.22 or the vdpau ppa
[21:49] <tseliot> BTW I made 195 available in my proprietary drivers PPA
[21:49] <superm1> bjsnider, oh yeah it's been since 7.10
[21:50] <bjsnider> cool
[21:50] <superm1> project is a few years old now
[21:50] <bjsnider> nvidia-current is the 195 at this point isn't it?
[21:50] <superm1> i'm pretty sure our nvidia-graphics-drivesr-190 on that PPA came from the vdpau PPA
[21:50] <tseliot> bjsnider: yep
[21:51] <superm1> it was just put here because mythtv had to be built against libvdpau for it to work
[21:51] <bjsnider> superm1, i just updated it last week or something. i hope you're staying current with it
[21:51] <tseliot> superm1: maybe it was some libvdpau that caused the problem? I'm too tired to tell ;)
[21:52] <superm1> tseliot, i haven't even reviewed the logs yet.  i was still sorting out other upgrade problems
[21:52] <bjsnider> against ibvdpau?
[21:52] <superm1> i'll get the bug filed tonight with all the pieces
[21:52] <bjsnider> my driver doesn't install it, i use the external package
[21:52] <superm1> bjsnider, no it hasn't been updated.  is it something important?
[21:53] <bjsnider> which 190 is it? is it .42?
[21:53] <superm1> 190.53
[21:53] <bjsnider> that driver does not come with libvdpau anymore
[21:54] <bjsnider> only the nvidia vdpau driver is packaged in that one
[21:54] <superm1> yeah, hence we have the external libvdpau on that PPA too
[21:54] <superm1> and that's what mythtv had to build against
[21:54] <bjsnider> oh, ok
[21:54] <superm1> particularly libvdpau-dev
[21:55] <bjsnider> wel, hte most recent update added execstack in karmic, updated prerm/postrm scripts, basically in line with the standard karmic package
[21:55] <superm1> okay so for the users, if they're up and working probably not critical stuff
[21:56] <bjsnider> no
[21:56] <bjsnider> but whatever, a lot of them probably use the vdpau ppa
[21:56] <tjaalton> bryceh: hey, shouldn't the apport hook links be named according to the source package?
[21:56] <bjsnider> we don't have any stats or numbers of any kind do we?
[21:58] <superm1> i dont think so, but that would be awfully nice
[21:58] <superm1> it would help  to know which PPAs to give priority to keeping more stable
[21:58] <bjsnider> i know ppa usage stats were proposed at one point
[21:58] <bjsnider> i'd like to know how many people are using old distros, because i think it's a lot
[21:58] <bryceh> tjaalton, for manual reporting, yes
[21:58] <bjsnider> i get emails from jaunty and even intrepid people all the time
[21:59] <bryceh> tjaalton, for crash detection it needs to be against the binary package
[21:59] <bryceh> tjaalton, did you spot an inconsistency?
[22:00] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah, there's no xf86-input-evtouch, -wacom..
[22:00] <tjaalton> probably others too
[22:01] <bryceh> tjaalton, heh, I just happened to fix a whole bunch just yesterday
[22:02] <bryceh> tjaalton, unreleased but check the xorg git tree
[22:02] <tjaalton> you removed xf86-input-evtouch and wacom-tools?
[22:02] <bryceh> tjaalton, a second set of eyes to doublecheck that everything's correct would help
[22:02] <tjaalton> er, evtouch was renamed
[22:03] <bryceh> well, replaced it with source_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.py
[22:03] <tjaalton> but the source package is xf86-input-wacom :)
[22:03] <tjaalton> so maybe they both need to be there, for crashers and manual stuff
[22:04] <tjaalton> wacom-tools is good to go, since lucid doesn't have it anymore
[22:04] <bryceh> $ apt-cache search wacom
[22:04] <bryceh> xserver-xorg-input-wacom - X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver
[22:04] <bryceh> weird.
[22:05] <bryceh> anyway yeah feel free to add whatever to the x11-common.links file
[22:05] <tjaalton> that's the binary package
[22:05] <bryceh> I don't look at updating it as often as I probably should
[22:05] <tjaalton> apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-wacom |grep Source
[22:06] <tjaalton> yeah I'll add those
[22:21] <BUGabundo> boas noutes
[22:27] <tjaalton> toabctl: usb.ids is missing a bunch of wacoms, like all the intuos4's
[22:28] <tjaalton> but it has nothing to do with the funcionality of the driver
[22:28] <tjaalton> +t
[22:28] <toabctl> tjaalton, but it's a first step, isn't it?
[22:28] <tjaalton> toabctl: no, it's a "good to have for a nicer lsusb output", but that's it
[22:29] <tjaalton> my intuos4 works just fine without that
[22:29] <toabctl> tjaalton, ah.ok
[22:29] <toabctl> tjaalton, your intuos4 works with lucid?
[22:29] <tjaalton> yes
[22:29] <toabctl> then i know what to buy next :)
[22:31] <toabctl> tjaalton, the newest kernel driver for wacom is available in the wacom-kernel git in drivers/input/tablet, right?
[22:31] <tjaalton> toabctl: no, it's not updated yet. it's in the latest linuxwacom tarball
[22:32] <toabctl> tjaalton, in which directory? the names ended with 2.6.27
[22:32] <tjaalton> there
[22:33] <tjaalton> diff it against the ones in 2.6.33 and you see what has changed
[22:34] <tjaalton> hmm, there's thel linuxwacom cvs too
[22:34] <tjaalton> -l
[22:34] <toabctl> lol
[22:35] <tjaalton> http://linuxwacom.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/linuxwacom/linuxwacom-dev/
[22:38] <tjaalton> the commits are really messy.. "Updated new Bamboo support and fix a tablet rotation issue
[22:38] <tjaalton> "
[22:38] <toabctl> tjaalton, i installe the latest xorg driver now (xf86-input-wacom-0.10.4) and the kernel module from linuxwacom-0.8.5-10 and when i insert the tablet now, i got in /var/log/message:
[22:38] <toabctl> Feb 25 23:37:19 zitrone kernel: [ 8308.664191] usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3
[22:38] <toabctl> Feb 25 23:37:25 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.380103] usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[22:38] <toabctl> Feb 25 23:37:25 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.546334] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[22:38] <toabctl> Feb 25 23:37:26 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.553354] input: Wacom BambooFun 2FG 6x8 Pen2 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0/input/input18
[22:38] <toabctl> Feb 25 23:37:26 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.568645] input: Wacom BambooFun 2FG 6x83 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.1/input/input19
[22:38] <tjaalton> that also includes support for intuos4 OLEDS
[22:39] <tjaalton> ok, that's better
[22:39] <toabctl> and something happen when i move my finger over the tablet and when i press anywhere. but it's not usable..
[22:39] <tjaalton> what does udevadm info --export-db show now?
[22:39] <tjaalton> or the Xorg.0.log?
[22:40] <tjaalton> does the pen work?
[22:40] <bryceh> tjaalton, btw do you know why it is that debian renames xf86 -> xserver-xorg ?
[22:41] <tjaalton> bryceh: no..
[22:41] <tjaalton> takes longer to type?-)
[22:41] <bryceh> seems to me that for consistency sake, -evtouch and -wacom ought to be renamed to match
[22:41] <toabctl> the pen works more or less (maybe it's me who don't know how to use)
[22:41] <tjaalton> yes, but they are not maintained by xsf
[22:41] <bryceh> otherwise I wonder why not just go with xf86- and become consistent with upstream
[22:42] <bryceh> tjaalton, are they ubuntu-only packages?
[22:42] <tjaalton> they are going to be merged to the server anyway, so
[22:42] <tjaalton> bryceh: no, -evtouch is maintained by malattia, -wacom by ron
[22:42] <tjaalton> toabctl: ok, that's great then
[22:43] <toabctl> tjaalton, here's the output of udevadm info
[22:43] <tjaalton> toabctl: do you have the module somewhere? if it's i386 and built for the -14-generic kernel I might try it on mine
[22:43] <toabctl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384000/
[22:44] <toabctl> tjaalton, yes arch=i386 and the newest kernel from repository
[22:44] <toabctl> and i updated the package of xf86-input-wacom with uupdate
[22:45] <toabctl> i'll write it down in the bug report how to fix it.
[22:45] <tjaalton> toabctl: hmm it loads synaptics and evdev too
[22:45] <toabctl> do you want to have the kernel module?
[22:45] <tjaalton> so maybe the udev rules need an update
[22:45] <tjaalton> yes please
[22:45] <tjaalton> one more test before I pass out :)
[22:49] <tjaalton> toabctl: well?
[22:49] <toabctl> tjaalton, https://code.launchpad.net/~toabctl/+junk/bamboo
[22:49] <toabctl> tjaalton, can i finetune the response of the tablet anyway?
[22:49] <tjaalton> toabctl: it loads the wrong driver for it
[22:50] <tjaalton> the touch function that is. I see synaptics being loaded
[22:50] <tjaalton> could be that wacom doesn't support that yet
[22:50] <toabctl> tjaalton, ah. so new udev rules should fix this?
[22:50] <tjaalton> I don't know, check the wacom lists
[22:51] <toabctl> tjaalton, the pen only work if i don't touch the tablet. i have to "fly" over the tablet with the pen
[22:51] <tjaalton> that's probably evdev then
[22:51] <tjaalton> yes you could try to fix the udev rules
[22:53] <toabctl> tjaalton, should i report a bug against the actual kernel? is it possible that the new driver from linuxwacom will be merged into the ubuntu lucid kernel?
[22:53] <tjaalton> I get an error "invalid module format"
[22:53] <toabctl> tjaalton, i build with generic-pae kernel
[22:53] <tjaalton> toabctl: I added the linux task already
[22:53] <tjaalton> ok, I don't have pae here
[22:53] <tjaalton> anyway, that's ok
[22:54] <toabctl> tjaalton, i filled already a bugreport to debian that they should update xf86-input-wacom to 0.10.4
[22:54] <tjaalton> and I'm not sure if this will be added to lucid
[22:54] <tjaalton> heh, good luck
[22:54] <toabctl> tjaalton, why? because ron don't answer?
[22:55] <tjaalton> toabctl: if he thought 0.10.4 was worth it, it would've been packaged already I think
[22:55] <tjaalton> but he's right most of the time too
[22:56] <toabctl> ok
[22:56] <tjaalton> the current one is patched, since vanilla 0.10.3 didn't work properly
[22:59] <toabctl> tjaalton, to get the pen working correct, what i have to do?
[22:59] <tjaalton> not load evdev for it
[22:59] <toabctl> tjaalton, and how to do that?
[22:59] <tjaalton> ie. make it match in the wacom udev rules
[22:59] <toabctl> with udev?
[22:59] <toabctl> ok
[23:00] <tjaalton> so it doesn't fall through the cracks so that the evdev rules catch it
[23:00] <tjaalton> anyway, been up 20h already and can't sit straight anymore. night!
[23:01] <toabctl> tjaalton, bye and thanks a lot!!!
[23:01] <toabctl> tjaalton, you are my hero!:-)
[23:05] <Sarvatt> bryceh: I was talking about the mesa dri drivers, sorry


[00:08] <Aquina> Has anyone experience with programs like XawTV or TVtime? Can someone suggest me an app for usage with my old analog Pinnacle PC TV Sterio card?
[00:44] <genelyk> plop
[00:47] <zonkers> hello
[00:48] <genelyk> Hi
[00:49] <zonkers> i have a beef with the xubuntu wireless gui
[00:49] <zonkers> i was finally able to get wireless working with CLI but not with the gui. who would need to know this information?
[01:03] <homebrewcider> read somewhere to get my walkman mounted to use pmount, worked okay but every time i attached it, it got mounted in another directory in /media. Now i have numerous folders there, sdc1 through to sdj1, all with a created by pmount document in it
[01:07] <zoredache> I don't know anything about pmount, but the obvious question is.  Are you unmounting things correctly?
[01:09] <homebrewcider> thought I did, this happened yesterday, but doing the umount command says nothing is mounted
[01:14] <homebrewcider> ok, I just did it again, it seems to have started from sdc1 again, instead of tacking it on the end
[01:14] <homebrewcider> and making it sdk1
[01:14] <homebrewcider> it seems i wasn't unmounting it
[01:15] <homebrewcider> because i unmounted it then, reattached and it was sdc1 again
[01:15] <homebrewcider> ok, so my bad BUT
[01:15] <homebrewcider> how do I get rid of these redundant entries?
[01:21] <homebrewcider> and how can I get this to automount? In Xubuntu 7.10 it used to mount automatically, however, in Xubuntu 8.04 it doesn't
[01:24] <cody-somerville> Hello Folks :)
[02:05] <homebrewcider> how do I get rid of these redundant entries? rmdir does nothing
[02:19] <charlie-tca_> homebrewcider: I don't use pmount, it is not on my system, but can you use rm -R or sudo rm -R to remove those?
[02:20] <homebrewcider> rm -R  ???
[02:21] <charlie-tca_> man rm; removes directories and files under that directory
[02:23] <homebrewcider> sounds dangerous
[02:23] <hads> It can be.
[02:23] <charlie-tca_> It can be. Should be able to use the same syntax as rmdir, though.
[02:24] <hads> You can `rm -ri` which will prompt you on every file.
[02:25] <hads> If you are using globing (e.g. rm -r foo*) then trying with ls -l foo* first is good assurance that you're getting the right target.
[02:33] <sean_> I'm having trouble with spellchecking with both openoffice and kwrite. I just need to write an essay but both don't seem to have english spellchecking functionality
[02:34] <sean_> i have even downloaded aspell, but i can't integrate it into either program
[02:39] <homebrewcider> so what would be the command to remove /media/sdc1 ?
[02:41] <homebrewcider> never mind
[02:43] <homebrewcider> cheers
[02:43] <homebrewcider> how can I get this mp3 player to automount? In Xubuntu 7.10 it used to mount automatically, however, in Xubuntu 8.04 it doesn't
[02:58] <homebrewcider> hey there, got cut off before, Xubuntu 7.10 used to auto mount my sony walkman mp3 player, 8.04 does not, and i have no idea what to do, please help.
[03:20] <giacomo_> hey folks, quick linux newbie question: from Terminal, how do I edit xorg.conf with admin priveleges?
[03:20] <cody-somerville> giacomo_, append sudo to your command
[03:20] <cody-somerville> so: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:21] <cody-somerville> running the following will auto-generate it for you: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[03:21] <giacomo_> thanks, I didn't know what the default editor was for xubuntu!
[03:21] <giacomo_> (nano)
[03:21] <giacomo_> Cheers!
[03:22] <zoredache> vi is available too if you like that better
[03:23] <giacomo_> I'll try both, thanks
[03:23] <zoredache> if you have never used either before use nano...  Vi has an insanely steep learning curve
[03:25] <giacomo_> how do I save changes in vi?
[03:26] <zoredache> get into command mode then send a ':w'
[03:27] <giacomo_> k, I'm going to use nano afterall. how are changes saved with nano? in 'command' mode?
[03:28] <gaurdro> for nano save is ctr-x
[03:28] <gaurdro> and there's no command modee
[03:28] <giacomo_> great thanks a ton guys
[04:06] <Aquina> Does someone know where logs on shutdown are saved (messages, dmesg doesn't seem to contain them)?
[04:08] <charlie-tca_> I think they are in /var/log/syslog.0
[05:53] <Guest78138> hello. is anyone here?
[05:56] <hads> !ask
[06:56] <pronto> hey hey anyone here?
[07:46] <davis_> hey, I'm having a bit of trouble cleaning up my applications menus, can anyone help?
[08:15] <microwaver> anyone got a decent fix on the fn keys on dell laptops (vostro 1000) ? (iam talking brightness, shutting down, starting wireless)
[08:23] <fretlessdavis> hey, Im having some trouble getting old icons out of the menus... can anyone help?
[08:38] <fortyforty> hello, i just had a quick question, i just installed compiz through the add/remove in the newest xubuntu but i dont know how to get it to use it
[08:40] <fortyforty> ?
[09:00] <holyguyver> Hello I have for some reason never been able to get Audacity nor any recording software to work on my computer in Ubuntu, so it must be a driver problem, yet my soundcard works in Ubuntu as I am able to listen to music. So is there some form of salution?
[09:04] <ablomen> holyguyver, you have to set the drivers in audacity by hand, or at least it used to be that way
[09:05] <ablomen> so you have to just do some trail and error with the configuration
[09:05] <holyguyver> I have tried that, it hasn't seemed to change anything, but I am not talking about audacity
[09:06] <ablomen> oh srry just your sound input device
[09:06] <ablomen> cant help you with that
[09:08] <holyguyver> Thanks anyway :)
[09:13] <microwaver> anyone got a decent fix on the fn keys on dell laptops (vostro 1000) ? (iam talking brightness, shutting down, starting wireless)
[12:56] <rockyrock> hi guys
[12:56] <rockyrock> i have a problem with my xubuntu
[12:57] <rockyrock> when i started up my laptop today i found that the Panels are disappeared!!!!
[12:58] <rockyrock> the main panel ( that have the Applications and Places ) and also the one in the bottom
[12:59] <rockyrock> but i remembered that yesterday i was missing with the keyboards, so is there any key(s) that makes the panels disappear????
[13:00] <rockyrock> and how can i retrieve the panels?
[13:04] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: try renaming the ~/.config folder and then logging out and back in...
[13:04] <rockyrock> sorry but how can i do that?? i'm new to ubuntu!
[13:08] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: well, there are several ways...
[13:09] <rockyrock> oki...
[13:09] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: one way would be to open your file-manager (thunar) and then go to View --> show hidden files (or press ctrl+h) then select the .config folder and rename it.
[13:09] <Odd-rationale> or you can execute "mv -r ~/.config ~/.config.bak"
[13:10] <rockyrock> where can i find the config folder???
[13:10] <rockyrock> in wich directory?
[13:11] <Odd-rationale> in your home dir
[13:11] <Odd-rationale> ~ or /home/<your_username>
[13:11] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: also, note the "."
 :P
[13:13] <rockyrock> this is great to hear that!
[13:13] <Odd-rationale> only need to reboot when you do a kernel update or something...
[13:13] <rockyrock> thnx for the tip!
[13:14] <rockyrock> the computer has loged in but nothing changes, only the background!
[13:14] <rockyrock> no panels!
[13:14] <Odd-rationale> hmm.
[13:15] <rockyrock> now i have two .config folders
[13:16] <Odd-rationale> try removing both...
[13:16] <rockyrock> and then log out?
[13:16] <Odd-rationale> yeah
[13:16] <rockyrock> ok
[13:17] <rockyrock> nothing!
[13:17] <rockyrock> now i have only one
[13:18] <rockyrock> should i remove the xubuntu and reinstall it again?
[13:18] <Odd-rationale> no...
[13:18] <Odd-rationale> can you right click the desktop and get a menu?
[13:18] <rockyrock> yes
[13:20] <rockyrock> but i can't make a SELECTION using the left click!
[13:20] <rockyrock> i mean on the desktop
[13:20] <rockyrock> only on the desktop
[13:21] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: ok. so when you right-click the desktop, go to settings --> panel
[13:22] <rockyrock> there is no "Settings"! there is only Desktop settings
[13:23] <rockyrock> and in the Desktop settings there is no Panel
[13:23] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: is that computer connected to the net?
[13:24] <rockyrock> no
[13:24] <rockyrock> i installed xubuntu two days ago
[13:25] <rockyrock> and i haven't connected to the net since then
[13:26] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: ok. well let's try removing some more config files... try this command in terminal "rm -rf ~/.config ~/.gconf ~/.gconfd ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome2_private/ ~/.local"
[13:29] <rockyrock> i did that and i logged out and logged in again, but nothing happend!
[13:30] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: that is strange... try "sudo apt-get reinstall xubuntu-desktop"
[13:31] <Odd-rationale> rockyrock: wait. you have to internet...
[13:31] <rockyrock> no i don't have
[13:32] <Odd-rationale> yeah, so that wouldn't work...
[13:32] <Odd-rationale> i am very surprised that doesn't work...
[13:34] <Odd-rationale> well, i have to head off to work pretty soon... sorry i couldn't help more...
[13:34] <rockyrock> look i might knew the problem. Yesterday i connected the laptop into a 19inch LCD monitor and the desktop appear too short on the LCD cuz my Video card is too old 32MB INTEL. So i think the laptop got confuzed!
[13:34] <rockyrock> thnx for everything man
[13:35] <rockyrock> can anybody tell me how can i change the resoluation of the screen cuz that might work
[15:17] <rockyrock> guys i have a problem that the main panels disappeared
[15:17] <rockyrock> what should i do to retrieve them?
[15:19] <TheSheep> press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[15:28] <rockyrock> TheSheep, thanks man it works great
[15:28] <rockyrock> TheSheep, do u know why they disappeared??
[15:29] <rockyrock> TheSheep, anything wrong with my computer or a bug or something???
[15:46] <TheSheep> rockyrock: there are some bugs in the panel that make it crash sometimes
[15:47] <rockyrock> TheSheep, how about fixing them???
[15:47] <TheSheep> rockyrock: excellent idea, we didnt think about it, thanks, that surely helps!
[15:47] <rockyrock> TheSheep, is it going to crash a lot?
[15:48] <rockyrock> :)))
[15:48] <TheSheep> rockyrock: onlyif you were naughty
[15:48] <rockyrock> WOW!
[15:49] <rockyrock> guys plzz i searched the internet for a PCI dialup modem that works on Ubuntu or xubuntu but i didn't find. Can anybody give me some
[19:22] <Blackfield> Can someone help me?
[19:32] <cody-somerville> not anymore :S
[19:36] <stephane> I've install compiz but I've no border !!!
[19:36] <xubuntu-user-hel> hi. i've got a problem: i need to change the color depth in order that the graphics card of this computer is able to set a higher screen resolution. how do I do that?
[19:37] <xubuntu-user-hel> may any1 help me on that? in some windows i can't even see the okay button :-(
[20:00] <xubuntu-user-hel> hm i gotta go
[20:00] <xubuntu-user-hel> cu guys
[21:58] <kiadriver> Anyone know how to determine the video driver that xorg is using?
[21:59] <kiadriver> Seems that xorg.conf is now generated on the fly and doesn't list the driver
[22:04] <zoredache> hrm... that is an interesting question.  But I don't know the answer.  You might see if glxinfo tells you anything
[22:46] <arf`> kiadriver, zoredache : take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log


[00:09] <snap-l> Hmm... natty runs like crap in a Virtualbox vm
[00:14] <snap-l> I'd love to know why gnome settings is completely hung as well
[00:28] <snap-l> Ugh, the compiz settings don't work with UNity 2D
[00:29] <snap-l> I guess that shouldn't come as a surprise, but it is disappointing
[01:05] <jjesse> snap-l i've seen a couple of posts on planet.ubuntu.com on using vbox and unity
[03:24] <snap-l> Yeah, i saw one that brousch shared, but nothing seems to work very well for me.
[03:37] <jjesse> president speaking tonight on national security, rumors are we killed osma bin laden
[03:51] <Blazeix> msnbc is confirming the rumor
[03:51] <jjesse> pretty crazy on twitter right now
[03:56] <_stink_> crap, really?
[03:56] <jjesse> yup
[03:56] <jjesse> confirmed by a ton of different sources
[03:56] <jjesse> and we have the body
[03:57] <jjesse> his wikipedia page has been updated all ready w/ death
[03:58] <_stink_> wow
[04:00] <Blazeix> it also appears it was US ground forces responsible for it.
[04:01] <jjesse> suprised twitter hasn't blown up yet
[04:01] <jjesse> pretty impressive
[04:09] <ebarch> snap-l: i was just trying to get ubuntu classic 11.04 to run decently in virtualbox...doesn't even want to use the ambiance theme properly...
[04:35] <Blazeix> ah, http://www.whitehouse.gov/live is staring
[04:35] <Blazeix> s/staring/starting/
[04:49] <snap-l> Well, that's a bombshell
[13:12] <wolfger> morning
[13:13] <rick_h__> party
[13:13] <wolfger> still? You didn't get enough at Penguicon?
[13:13] <rick_h__> heh, didn't stay at PC long enough I guess to get it out of me
[13:14] <brousch> you went to pcon?
[13:14] <rick_h__> I was there for the release party
[13:15] <brousch> see any furries
[13:15] <brousch> other than snap-l?
[13:15] <rick_h__> one 'cat', but sure if it was furries or not
[13:23] <wolfger> I, surprisingly, saw no furries at all
[13:24] <wolfger> of course, I was not there during masquerade, and did not really do any partying
[13:24] <wolfger> I'm getting old, and was unable to stay up partying all night :-p
[13:27] <brousch> sad
[13:49] <tameek_> Morning all.  Just wanted to quickly introduce myself.  My name is Tameek.  I moved to Michigan about a year ago. Comptia Linux+ certified, work as a support analyst. Love wine, and recycling. I've been using Linux for about 4 years off and on. I run Ubuntu in a vm.
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> I'm ColonelPanic001. I sit and BS on IRC.
[13:50] <brousch> hi, I'm Ben. I sit on IRC and make fun of ColonelPanic001 for BSing
[13:50] <tameek_> lol
[13:51] <wolfger> Hi. I'm wolfger. I kvetch and troll and generally try to be funny (and sometimes even succeed)
[13:52] <wolfger> now do you love "wine" or "WINE". Significant difference there.... ;-)
[13:52] <ColonelPanic001> I like whine.
[13:54] <brousch> you obviously don't have a kid
[13:54] <tameek_> wine
[13:57] <wolfger> of course... I'm slow in processing this morning. Would be kind of silly to use WINE when running Ubuntu in a vm
[13:58] <brousch> unless that VM is running on osx
[13:58] <wolfger> true
[13:58] <wolfger> I make an assumption that the primary system is Windows. i could be wrong
[13:59] <snap-l> Hello, I'm snap-l. I sit on IRC and make random and sarcastic comments about just about anything. Oh, and I work with computers. :)
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> nerd
[13:59] <wolfger> geek
[13:59] <snap-l> (wrote that one time for my high school alumni questionaire: "works with computers"
[14:00] <snap-l> It was pretty funny sandwiched between the other ones that were waxing eloquent on their jobs and families.
[14:00] <tameek_> :-)
[14:00] <snap-l> But, yes... welcome to #ubuntu-us-mi
[14:01] <snap-l> Make yourself at home. There's chips and dip on the table.
[14:01] <wolfger> I liked the 3-bullet resume for the "writing bad code" panel on Sunday... can't remember exactly how it went, but it was like, "1) I write code, 2) I've worked for some companies, 3) I've written some software"
[14:01] <tameek_> Thanks!  Yes, primary system is Windows 7
[14:01] <tameek_> dual monitor with Ubuntu/VM
[14:01] <snap-l> wolfger: I so didn't want to miss that panel. :)
[14:02] <snap-l> rick_h__: You weren't trying hard enough to see furries at Penguicon
[14:02] <rick_h__> snap-l: no, that was intentinoal
[14:02] <snap-l> There was at least two that I saw
[14:02] <snap-l> Not sure about the cat ears / tail thing, though
[14:02] <rick_h__> I had my back to most of the hotel during the event
[14:03] <snap-l> if that's a "furry", then I saw a myriad more
[14:03] <rick_h__> yea, that cat ears/tail seems a bit light for full furri-level
[14:03] <rick_h__> might just be "i'm cute pay attention to me"
[14:03] <snap-l> rick_h__: Aw, that's the fun of it. seeing things that you can't un-see.
[14:03] <snap-l> The whole "are you going to see Rocky Horror picture show, or the drag show, or ... ?"
[14:04] <rick_h__> so I sent an angry email with a lot of links to my benefits company that sent me my password in email
[14:04] <rick_h__> that was fun
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> half the reason I like pcon is the general weird stuff I can't see normally. Doesn't matter if I'm "into it" or not.
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h__: good
[14:05] <wolfger> 3 people came to "bad code" on Sunday who evidently participated in the drag show. Or should have....
[14:05] <wolfger> actually, I can only say for sure two of them were.... the third was either legitimately female, or did a really damn good job.
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> it happens.
[14:06] <rick_h__> grumble, and about to send a nasty one to att
[14:06] <snap-l> wolfger: There were a few folks that were doing some good Genesis P-orridge transformations
[14:07] <rick_h__> snap-l: you need to tell jody to be careful
[14:07] <rick_h__> if I wasn't tired, I could have had a lot of fun with her steamroller tweet
[14:07] <snap-l> Heh
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> o.o
[14:07] <snap-l> She knows onl a handful of people read her twitter stream
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> no such thing
[14:07] <snap-l> and do you really want JoDee on your bad side? :)
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> it's twitter
[14:07] <rick_h__> "I got steamrolled at pcon and all I got was this t-shirt" lets the imagination run a bit wild
[14:08] <snap-l> She will find you.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:08] <rick_h__> lol
[14:08] <wolfger> steamroller?
[14:08] <snap-l> wolfger: Yeah, she said that she felt like she was hit by a steamroller at pcon
[14:08]  * wolfger goes in search of JoDee's twitter account.
[14:09] <snap-l> http://twitter.com/#!/saganfan1/status/64700129206206465
[14:10] <snap-l> http://twitter.com/#!/saganfan1/status/64171083884007425 <- I like this one
[14:10] <rick_h__> I didn't get that one
[14:10] <rick_h__> is it against the rules to talk about your research?
[14:11] <snap-l> Nah, you can talk about it all you want
[14:11] <snap-l> just funny that folks would talk about their research while drunk
[14:11] <snap-l> it's like talking about the deeper parts of your work while drunk
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> not if they find it interesting.
[14:12] <snap-l> True
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> btw, anyone else?:   https://twitter.com/#!/0x241/status/64342179551776769
[14:13] <snap-l> A little. Looks more like Sauron's ballroom to me
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> hah, also can see that
[14:13] <rick_h__> damn, where's tjagoda when you need him
[14:13] <rick_h__> or however his nick is spelled, I need my tab completion
[14:14] <rick_h__> darn-non-idlers
[14:14] <snap-l> rick_h__: What did RIM do now?
[14:14] <rick_h__> http://www.androidcentral.com/rim-provide-enterprise-tool-secure-mangement-android-devices
[14:15] <rick_h__> they're completing the prophecy, turning into a software/services company
[14:21] <snap-l> rick_h__: So they're going the way of Palm, then.
[14:22] <snap-l> That doesn't surprise me, honestly. ;)
[14:29] <wolfger> speaking of t-shirts, what did anybody think of this year's shirts?
[14:30] <_stink_> oops, late to the party
[14:30] <_stink_> hi tameek_, i'm _stink_.  i work with ColonelPanic001 and we mostly sit and BS.
[14:30] <snap-l> wolfger: I think they were a bundle of awesome. Had to buy one.
[14:32] <wolfger> snap-l: sweet. Happy to hear it. (the artist is a good friend of mine)
[14:34] <wolfger> the printing on the cycle's screen was my idea
[14:36] <snap-l> Yeah, it was pretty sweet.
[14:41] <tameek_> hey _stink_
[14:41] <tameek_> sounds like fun
[14:42] <_stink_> it is
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> he's lying.
[14:43] <_stink_> down for a nap
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> for one, I work here.
[14:45] <_stink_> buh dum chh
[14:55] <greg-g> g'morning tameek_ ! Welcome to the channel. I'm Greg. I live in Ann Arbor and work at the University of Michigan Library.
[14:55] <_stink_> greg-g is our fearless leader.
[14:57] <ColonelPanic001> s/fear/beard/;
[14:57] <_stink_> *gasp
[14:57] <greg-g> not to worry, the bear is still attached
[15:01] <greg-g> but I will probably be trimming it tonight, just to forewarn you, _stink_. It is pretty long (ie: I can comb it, a bit), so it is about time. :)
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> no
[15:02] <ColonelPanic001> NO
[15:02] <_stink_> well, i'll withhold judgement
[15:02] <_stink_> i am shaven myself, though.
[15:03] <ColonelPanic001> I'll probably trim mine soon a little
[15:11] <snap-l> Listening to the OMC that I recorded at Penguicon.
[15:11] <snap-l> Should be up tomorrow
[15:11] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[15:33] <wolfger> snap-l: What's the weirdest thing you ever saw at CTC?
[15:34] <wolfger> Because I just saw a hooker carrying two golf clubs walking down the hall.
[15:34] <snap-l> you win
[15:34] <wolfger> and I think that's got to be near the top of the list
[15:34] <snap-l> Seriously? A hooker?
[15:34] <rick_h__> that likes golf?
[15:34] <rick_h__> no way
[15:35] <snap-l> Sounds like a Mindless Self INdulgence song
[15:35] <wolfger> well... she was headed towards the exit, and wearing a long heavy coat, but.....
[15:35] <snap-l> "One hooker and two golf clubs"
[15:35] <wolfger> stilleto heels, skin tight faux leather pants, and big hair
[15:35] <snap-l> wolfger: Wow
[15:35] <wolfger> a purse in one hand, two golf clubs in the other
[15:35] <snap-l> Maybe it's someone's wife?
[15:35] <rick_h__> little driving range practice
[15:35] <rick_h__> heels/leather is how I do my practice
[15:36] <snap-l> She was going to surprise her hubby with a round of golf.
[15:36] <_stink_> pics
[15:36] <wolfger> _stink_: no camera policy at work :-p
[15:36] <_stink_> of rick_h__ at the driving range :P
[15:36] <wolfger> LOL
[15:37] <wolfger> I'm not sure who worries me more... _stink_  or rick_h__
[15:37]  * rick_h__ breaks out the 7-iron
[15:37] <wolfger> and they were irons, not drivers....
[15:38] <_stink_> 70% of golf shots are inside 100 yards
[15:38] <_stink_> smart woman
[15:38] <snap-l> No putter though, means she wasn't working on her short game
[15:38] <snap-l> She was going for distance.
[15:38] <rick_h__> pitching
[15:38] <rick_h__> must be pitching day in class
[15:39] <rick_h__> 9 and a SW probably
[15:39] <rick_h__> :P
[15:39] <snap-l> Either that or someone got called in to pick up some golf clubs
[15:39] <rick_h__> ooh, security?
[15:39] <_stink_> maybe she's the nanny and models herself after Fran Drescher
[15:39] <snap-l> In any event, that's definitely pretty high on the weirdness magnet scale
[15:39] <rick_h__> "unauthorized devices of fun located in 3E"
[15:40] <snap-l> Worst I've ever seen are people's desks at CTC
[15:40] <rick_h__> I'm going to have to stop listening to TWiT network stuff, going to give me high blood pressure
[15:40] <snap-l> the ones that look like arboretum
[15:40] <snap-l> rick_h__: What now?
[15:40] <wolfger> rick_h__: LOL
[15:40] <rick_h__> more of the same "what? People are suprised at the tracking on their phones? What did you expect, it's a spy device"
[15:41] <wolfger> snap-l: Yeah, the flora is odd, but understandable. It's hard to live in a cube farm.
[15:41] <wolfger> I haven't listened to TWiT in forever
[15:41] <wolfger> don't remember why I stopped
[15:42] <rick_h__> for more time to listen to lococast and OMC?
[15:43] <wolfger> heh
[15:43] <wolfger> I've got a little catching up to do on Lococast, for sure
[15:44] <wolfger> waiting for another scream-free edition of OMC
[15:44] <wolfger> love metal instrumentals, but loathe so much of the metal that has lyrics
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> most death metal growling is terrible.
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> but the good stuff is very good
[15:46] <snap-l> Yeah, it's something you get used to, rather than enjoy
[15:46] <snap-l> Though some of them really turn it up a notch and make it enjoyable
[15:46] <snap-l> There's a new Club Metal episode that I released just before Pengiucon
[15:48] <wolfger> Yeah, you mentioned. I still haven't gotten around to listening to it
[15:48] <wolfger> Sorry. When I think of "metal", I think of Led Zepplin.
[15:48] <wolfger> If it's not as good as them, it sucks. :-D
[15:50] <snap-l> wolfger: We've had over 30 years to screw with that definition. ;)
[15:52] <rick_h__> http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4956385434/the-first-zombie-proof-house
[16:03] <snap-l> That is awesome.
[16:08] <jrwren> WTF?  http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ubuntu-Enterprise-Cloud-Natty-Narwhal-62885.shtml
[16:13] <rick_h__> jrwren: ?
[16:27]  * snap-l is uploading his Penguicon pictures
[16:39] <jrwren> why is there a separate UEC download?
[16:39] <rick_h__> jrwren: because they have to provide it for dell to put on those cloud servers they're selling
[16:40] <rick_h__> http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/by-need-it-productivity-data-center-change-response-ubuntu-cloud.aspx
[16:40] <jrwren> oh, interesting.
[16:40] <jrwren> but how is it different than just ubuntu server?
[16:40] <rick_h__> preconfigured basically
[16:41] <rick_h__> it's like how you can choose on install time you want a lamp server
[16:41] <jrwren> i see.
[16:41] <rick_h__> so it does the installs/setup for you vs you getting into the fresh system and doing the apt-get install XXX
[16:51] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#
[16:51]  * rick_h__ is afraid to click
[16:52] <rick_h__> snap-l: oh, loved jcastro's blog post with the pic lol
[16:53] <ColonelPanic001> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602144130086252498
[16:53] <ColonelPanic001> I am a growth on snap-l's head
[16:55] <_stink_> haha
[16:55] <_stink_> yes
[16:55] <rick_h__> http://www.mister-wong.com/payments/upgrade/ hah
[16:56] <rick_h__> so who's leaving bookie to pay $2/mo for your 10 bookmarks
[16:56] <ColonelPanic001> ...10? wtf would you bother?
[16:56] <ColonelPanic001> I had something 300 on delicious
[16:56] <ColonelPanic001> which admittedly needs some pruning, but stull
[16:57] <rick_h__> 300? wow that's light
[16:57] <ColonelPanic001> oh, nm. 496
[16:57] <rick_h__> lol, I'm testing bookie with 16,000
[16:57] <rick_h__> and my site is 1,600
[16:57] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't been using it as much in the last year or two, that's part of it
[16:57] <rick_h__> you try out the FF extension yet?
[16:58] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't even set up a server end for it yet. Must do that
[16:58] <ColonelPanic001> was going to get started on this yesterday, instead was lazy and just "recovered"
[16:58] <rick_h__> yea, well warning working on releasing 0.2 on MUG
[16:58] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602144289748266514
[16:58] <rick_h__> so install will have an upgrade shortly
[16:58] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[16:59] <rick_h__> great, I sneak into you photos
[16:59] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/Penguicon2011#5602143548380050258 <- Anyone have a name for the lady on the left?
[16:59] <snap-l> I think it's Mary, but I'm not 100% sure
[16:59] <rick_h__> strange lady that comes to each release part
[16:59] <rick_h__> party?
[17:14] <jrwren> that penguicon restaurant looks swank.
[17:14] <snap-l> Yeah, it was an update from last year
[17:17] <jrwren> 64pople in the natty panel?  was it a positive crowd? or haters?
[17:19] <snap-l> Mostly positive
[17:20] <snap-l> though a lot of undecided
[17:20] <rick_h__> that's fair though
[17:20] <snap-l> It wasn't nearly as caustic as one might think
[17:20] <brousch> same experience i had
[17:23] <snap-l> yeah, welcoming change is not natural
[17:23] <snap-l> but I definitely want to check out lenses
[17:25] <snap-l> rick_h__: I think the point on TWiT is that you're carrying around a radio.
[17:26] <snap-l> rick_h__: And one patent application. ;)
[17:26] <rick_h__> so the #@$@%$ what if ATT does, I know that. I don't want it available to someone that grabs my wife's lost laptop
[17:27] <rick_h__> short sighted apologists imo
[17:29] <snap-l> Oh no doubt
[17:30] <jrwren> zomg... why did I stick with vmware server for so long? KVM via virt-install is soooo easy.
[17:30] <rick_h__> yea, kvm is supposed to be good stuff, but does it have the extras stuff for native-like graphics/etc?
[17:30] <rick_h__> I think that was the big hang up last time I was prepping to go the kvm route
[17:30] <jrwren> no, but neither does vmware server.
[17:31] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[17:31] <jrwren> i was not using vmware desktop or virtualbox.
[17:31] <rick_h__> gotcha
[17:31] <snap-l> kvm isn't too good re: video cards, though
[17:31] <snap-l> performance is not good (At least 6 mo ago)
[17:31] <rick_h__> snap-l: I think the thing that bugs me is that these guys have a huge stage and explain a lot of things to 'normal' people and when the blow it I get cranky
[17:31] <jrwren> perf in general, or do you mean video?
[17:31] <snap-l> perf
[17:31] <rick_h__> their coverage of the AWS stuff pissed me off because they didn't get the tech/etc right
[17:32] <rick_h__> jrwren: just video, supposedly good low level performance for a server or something
[17:32] <rick_h__> though at work we're going xen :(
[17:32] <rick_h__> stupid RH based systems
[17:32] <jrwren> "law enforcement knows where you are, they can request that easily"  is also false... any idiot who watches NCIS regularly, knows that when you are on the run, you turn off your cell phone.
[17:32] <rick_h__> easily == pen register
[17:32] <rick_h__> most carries have a website police can go enter their id and look your location up
[17:33] <rick_h__> /carries/carriers
[17:33] <jrwren> libvirt confuses me with how it mixes xen, kvm and qemu.
[17:33] <jrwren> right, but they can't see that if your phone is off.
[17:33] <rick_h__> I need more tunes to cheer me up, come on cloud player
[17:33] <wolfger> kvm.... if it starts with a K, it's got to be good!
[17:33] <jrwren> and I mean OFF, like pull the bat.
[17:33] <rick_h__> right, but the idea is they compare police access as easy, therefore it's not a big deal to have these location leaks
[17:33] <wolfger> Oh, wait, that was what I *used* to say before KDE turned to suck. Nevermind.
[17:33] <snap-l> sorry, but if you're on the run, do not touch a cell phone
[17:33] <rick_h__> poor wolfger, jumps ship from kde to gnome
[17:34] <rick_h__> and then gets reamed again via gnome3/unity
[17:34] <wolfger> LOL
[17:34] <wolfger> I'm just biding my time. E17 will hit 1.0 one of these days....
[17:35] <jrwren> e17 might as well be 1.0.
[17:35] <jrwren> it ships in production on some samsung phones.
[17:38] <jrwren> so far perf in kvm seems very good.
[17:38] <wolfger> Really? Which ones?
[17:39] <jrwren> I'm not sure, but the main e guy - is that rasterman - has been working for samsung for a whiel.
[17:39] <jrwren> http://www.rasterman.com/
[17:39] <jrwren> oh, my bad... maybe it is not out.
[18:02] <snap-l> Yay! Got my order from Robot shop in the mail.
[18:03] <snap-l> Beginners kit. Got a bunch more sensors, and a case to put them in
[18:03] <snap-l> as well as a LCD screen
[18:04] <rick_h__> yay, robot time
[18:05] <wolfger> woohoo
[18:05] <snap-l> Plus I have post-Penguicon energy.
[18:05] <snap-l> It's a win-win-win-win
[18:19] <rick_h__> Blazeix: ping, do you use dropbox on arch?
[18:31] <brousch> snap-l: interesting, the guy in black in the middle of this photo is from my side of the state. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HwfT7g4eo2U/Tb7SAbuFaqI/AAAAAAAABN0/SRtsYDQdn_A/s720/img_3187.jpg
[18:32] <snap-l> Heh
[18:54] <gamerchick02> cool, snap-l.
[18:58] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[19:02] <Blazeix> rick_h__: yeah, think I have the aur package installed
[19:03] <rick_h__> k, yea I got the userspace one going
[19:03] <rick_h__> I had issues with just the normal dropboxd
[19:03] <rick_h__> thanks
[19:10] <rick_h__> actually kind of cool: http://www.hilarymason.com/blog/how-to-get-a-random-line-from-a-file-in-bash/
[19:35] <snap-l> That's awesome
[19:35] <Blazeix> how about sed -n "$(($RANDOM % $(sed -n '$=' test.txt)))p" test.txt
[19:36] <Blazeix> that way you don't have to deal with awk, like FireFighter's solution does
[19:36] <Blazeix> nothing against awk, I just never managed to wrap my head around it
[19:36] <snap-l> Frankly, heading to awk is just a stone-s throw away from python / perl
[19:36] <rick_h__> I liked the dd answer
[19:36] <rick_h__> wouldn't have thought of that one
[19:37] <rick_h__> and works with any size file
[19:43] <wolfger> the best command available in bash is "perl -e"
[19:43] <rick_h__> ipython
[19:44] <snap-l> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=1910
[19:45] <snap-l> perl -e 'srand;rand($.) < 1 && ($it = $_) while <>;print $it' < testing
[19:47] <jrwren> <3 awk
[19:47] <jrwren> wait... dd?
[19:47] <jrwren> how did they set a RS ?
[19:48] <jrwren> or do you mean do ?
[19:48] <jrwren> *od
[19:48] <jrwren> I like the od solution.
[19:48] <jrwren> i'd have never thought of that too
[19:48] <rick_h__> http://tumblr.machinetext.com/post/4997828856/selecting-a-random-line-from-a-file
[19:48] <rick_h__> od was used in an example as well
[19:49] <wolfger> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=902311
[19:49] <snap-l> I love how people 'misuse' tools for a common good.
[19:49] <jrwren> ok, i grok the dd now. that is kinda cool.
[19:49] <snap-l> And I put that in air-quotes, because I love rube-goldberg solutions
[19:50] <jrwren> "hax"
[19:52] <snap-l> Oh geez
[19:52] <jrwren> lol
[19:52] <snap-l> craig@lister:~$ echo `cat /dev/urandom | od -N4 -An -i `' % '`wc -l < testing`
[19:52] <snap-l><PHONE_NUMBER> % 5
[19:53] <snap-l> Which then gets fed to bc
[19:53] <snap-l> craig@lister:~$ echo `cat /dev/urandom | od -N4 -An -i `' % '`wc -l < testing` | bc
[19:53] <snap-l> -4
[19:53] <snap-l> omg, that's a hack
[19:54] <jrwren> is it?
[19:54] <jrwren> I like it.
[19:54] <jrwren> although I think you can use base for the modulus
[19:55] <snap-l> jrwren: Hack as in something very clever
[19:56] <jrwren> ah.
[19:56] <jrwren> I was thinking Hack as in something doing something it was not meant to.
[19:56] <jrwren> i see each of those as doing exactly waht they are meant to.
[19:56] <jrwren> and composing these things is why i like unix.
[19:58] <snap-l> Yeah, same here
[19:59] <snap-l> UNIX is like a big box of productivity legos
[19:59] <rick_h__> but there's no gui for any of these
[19:59] <rick_h__> fail!
[20:00] <rick_h__> surely you can't do something that a gui can't
[20:00] <snap-l> rick_h__: I banish you
[20:00] <snap-l> BEGONE!
[20:00]  * rick_h__ hides in shame
[20:04] <jrwren> you are dead to me rick_h__ :)
[20:04] <rick_h__> oh geeze, I do a little channeling of jcastro and you guys get on me :P
[20:04]  * brousch welcomes rick_h__ with open arms
[20:04] <brousch> gimme a hug big guy
[20:04] <rick_h__> yea, how does that work on a mac is what I want to know lol
[20:04] <jcastro> haha
[20:05] <brousch> it seems to have dd available
[20:05] <rick_h__> I want a unity quick menu, thingy...right-click "random line from file"
[20:06] <wolfger> What button can I click to display a random line from a file? :-)
[20:07] <wolfger> what is this "dd" everybody keeps referring to? "dd" is the command to delete a line. :-p
[20:07] <Blazeix> rick_h__: someone should totally make a 'core-util' icon for the unity dock.
[20:08] <Blazeix> where you right-click and every core-util is an option
[20:08] <rick_h__> lol
[20:44] <snap-l> Quick poll: Has anyone found anything from an archive.org netlabel that isn't more painful than sticking your head in a dryer?
[20:45] <brousch> well the dryer turns off when you open the door to stick your head in it
[20:45] <snap-l> I mean if you took your head off to put it in the dryer.
[20:45] <ColonelPanic001> this is too complicated
[20:45] <brousch> which head?
[20:46] <snap-l> either one
[20:46] <brousch> no
[20:48] <snap-l> That's what I thought
[21:30] <gamerchick02> *blink blink* i walked in at the wrong time.
[21:30] <ColonelPanic001> no such thing.
[21:37] <gamerchick02> i saw something about putting your head in a dryer...
[21:37] <gamerchick02> hrm
[21:39] <ColonelPanic001> so?
[21:39] <ColonelPanic001> I don't comment on how you dry your hair, Ms. Judgemental.
[21:46] <gamerchick02> it air dries. ;)
[21:46] <ColonelPanic001> same thing in the dryer.
[21:46] <gamerchick02> it was the "which head" comment that threw me. ;)
[21:47] <ColonelPanic001> that needs drying, to
[21:47] <gamerchick02> oh well.
[21:47] <ColonelPanic001> too
[21:47] <gamerchick02> heh
[21:47] <brousch> well some of us have 2 heads, like zaphod beeblebrox
[21:48] <gamerchick02> Zaphod is awesome. :)
[21:59] <fdvalero> hello everyone, after pinguiton which is the next event in michigan?
[22:00] <ColonelPanic001> Well, I went to work today.
[22:20] <snap-l> fdvalero: I don't think there's anything really planned yet.
[22:20] <snap-l> The next big event that we're part of is Ohio Linuxfest
[22:20] <snap-l> some of us also go to PyOhio
[22:20] <snap-l> Pretty sure we'll also have a release party for 11.10
[22:21] <snap-l> That'll be in October.
[22:22] <greg-g> fdvalero: what snap-l said.
[22:42] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/lmorchard/statuses/65166820356792320


[20:57] <ihelpsu> "<treehau55> ihelpsu, ugh dual booting sucks, just do yourself a favor and migrate ubuntu over to its own installation and boot grub first, i originally installed ubuntu through windows 8 and im still getting headaches bc of it i think" -- not sure what a grub is, but the duel booting sounds easier
[20:57] <ihelpsu> and dont know what "its own installation" mean -- this usb way sounds better
[20:58] <treehau55> ihelpsu,  when you install ubuntu under windows, what windows will do is make a virtual drive that contains that installation. This gives you two problems right off the bat: no swap file (you cant hibernate) and you are stuck to that same harddrive, so if you ever want to say, for example, upgrade to an SSD, have fun
[20:58] <treehau55> then there is debugging issues, you'll have to do most of your system recovery through windows
[20:58] <blockworks> hi i tried setting a nonempty password for both my standard user accound and the root account on a 12.04 live cd doing this: sudo -s; passwd; exit; now when i try sudo -s again i i do get a password prompt BUT i can just press enter, it accepts the emtpy password still. i cant imagine what is causing this weird behavior, do you have a clue? i also looked into /etc/shadow and turns out the hash is
[20:59] <blockworks> properly set for the new password which i verified using mkpasswd. interestingly enough in /etc/shadow for my non-root user i dont get a full hash though, just some tiny hash or something without a $n$ inidicator
[21:00] <joeytwiddle_> veryhappy: how far did you get with the compiling?  (Personally i found compiz 0.8 under Debian worked better than the new one in Unity :P )
[21:00] <blockworks> actually this is a hard questoin
[21:01] <veryhappy> last time i tried i didn't get further than looking through the directory and the strange script that i should execute before the compiling...
[21:02] <joeytwiddle_> blockworks: trying to set you passwordon a LiveCD? O_o  Are you using it regularly with persistence?
[21:02] <joeytwiddle_> veryhappy: most C apps go: more ./README.txt ; ./configure && make && make install
[21:02] <Tex_Nick> I used "Gnome Classic" with 12.04 & 12.10, i loved the enviornment ... 13.04 no longer supports it so i'm using "gnome-fallback" now, it's working great for me with one exception ... occasionally when i maximize a window the title bar "close, minimize & maximize" buttons cease to function ... i have to right click on the application tab on the bottom panel and choose unmaximize ... any help there ?
[21:02] <treehau55> i dont have a sysrq key on my keyboard
[21:02] <treehau55> :x
[21:02] <ihelpsu> 1) "you cant hibernat" -- is ok, my compu always on. 2) "upgrade to an SSD" -- i always you install a new OS, when you change drives, 3) "debugging issues, you'll have to do most of your system recovery through windows" -- well i hepe nothing goes wrong cos i know nothing about this.....
[21:03] <anominoususer|2> I am going to attempt to install Ubuntu from my harddrive.  is http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html the easiest way?  I am on the last step, which is installing GRUB, but I am reading the file and it is telling me that it is very dangerous to my MS OS :-)
[21:03] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, do you have any idea to which group i would add the user minidlna so it would have read access to external usb hdd ntfs drives which are automounted from nautilus? i tried adding it to my users group with no effect...?
[21:03] <blockworks> yes exactly joeytwiddle_
[21:03] <treehau55> anominoususer|2, i dont think I would follow any guide from 2007
[21:03] <blockworks> joeytwiddle_: with a casper-rw
[21:03] <anominoususer|2> lol.  I got that from someone who posted it here about 20 min. ago
[21:03] <joeytwiddle_> ihelpsu: u won't be using that method with a USB stick anyway, don't worry
[21:04] <anominoususer|2> I dont have my USB stick
[21:04] <WeThePeople> hi
[21:04] <ihelpsu> "dont think I would follow any guide from 2007" -- the bot gave that guide, the bot is outdated -- i say we break it
[21:04] <joeytwiddle_> blockworks: sorry never used a LiveCD like that.  maybe you can't do it on a boot CD
[21:04] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, the drive is mounted with "type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)"
[21:05] <ihelpsu> install! | anominoususer|2
[21:05] <ihelpsu> !install | anominoususer|2
[21:06] <ihelpsu> !install | treehau55
[21:06] <treehau55> why are you doing that
[21:06] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: hm, it's possible that it *is* down to NTFS...
[21:06] <ihelpsu> break the bot, its the crap i couldnt tell from quality i was referring to earlier
[21:06] <joeytwiddle_> ihelpsu: try the homepageof the website.  just bacup your vital files and give it a go
[21:07] <ihelpsu> joeytwiddle_: usb sounds good, the bot is outdated though, someone should do something about it
[21:08] <BitterGeek> Is there any way to edit sudoers in the same way a crontab is edited by crontab -e?
[21:08] <Corey> BitterGeek: visudo
[21:08] <nimbiotics> I need help with the "dar command" I need to backup only a few directories that exist under my home directory (not all of them) in a single backup. I find the manuala bit hard to understand and is driving me nuts. Can someone please point me in the right direction? TIA!
[21:08] <pfhunk> I have some questions about the best way to go about installing ubuntu and windows 7 on a SSD (also have 1TB HDD)
[21:09] <blockworks> Corey: BitterGeek what would be the advantage of that instead of editing the files right away?
[21:09] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, just ask
[21:10] <Corey> blockworks: Syntax checking to make sure you don't leave yourself locked out of sudo.
[21:10] <joeytwiddle_> ihelpsu, anominoususer|2, fwiw i downloaded an Ubuntu iso, and burned it to my USB stick with unetbootin (which is out of date itself) but that worked fine
[21:10] <Corey> nimbiotics: Do you mean tar?
[21:10] <blockworks> i see
[21:11] <nimbiotics> no "dar" http://dar.linux.free.fr/doc/index.html
[21:11] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, hmm well i cant change that since the drive is rather full of data... i think its because the _new_ default ubuntu mount is /media/<username>/<medianame>  to restrict that read options somehow grml
[21:11] <pfhunk> Right, just the best way to do the partitions, in regards to speed and keeping the longevity of the SSD.. The Ubuntu partitioner actually killed my SSD last week, I don't want that to happen again.
[21:11] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: unmount it, and remount it wherever you like...
[21:11] <ihelpsu> joeytwiddle_: why is treehau55 trying to scare us about everything!!................................. its ok
[21:12] <nimbiotics> Corey: no, I meant "dar" http://dar.linux.free.fr/
[21:12] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, if you have doubts using your ssd use the hdd,
[21:12] <joeytwiddle_> he' just warning against what he did, installing on a virtual partition inside windows.  which does suck.  unless you end up deleting ubuntu, in which case it's ideal
[21:13] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, use gparted for the partitioner
[21:13] <pfhunk> well I have a new SSD now, and I want both ubuntu and windows partitions on it. I enjoy the speediness. Does it matter which I install first? Which would be easier?
[21:14] <ltxda> hi all.  Anyone know of a small utility that can be installed on a Ubuntu server to monitor HD space and send out an e-mail if free space = 10GB or if consumption is at 80%, etc?
[21:14] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, doesnt matter wich is installed first
[21:15] <tking_> TKing: hi
[21:15] <WeThePeople> idk how win 7 works but you might need boot repair
[21:15] <WeThePeople> pfhunk^^
[21:15] <Sirisian|Work> So on a scale of harmless to potential issue is it bad to set the root home directory to /var/www ?
[21:16] <joeytwiddle_> yeah i'd install windows first, let ubuntu build the bootloader.  pfhunk
[21:16] <ihelpsu> joeytwiddle_: that sounds like virtualbox, the unbuntu guide should mention these things said on here so it's not lost but last edited "2012-12-10"
[21:16] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, thats how i installed ubuntu with a win8 part.
[21:17] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, it should be configurable in the properties dialogue of that media from nautilus. though when i change it it immediately returns to previous settings  waaa
[21:17] <ihelpsu> and http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/ is not outdated, last updated 6/13
[21:17] <ihelpsu> 2013-06-06
[21:17] <pfhunk> Okay, I can try that, as far as partition sizes and things go, what should I be paying attention to?
[21:17] <gordonjcp> Sirisian|Work: why would you do that?
[21:18] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, look up on how to --bind sys, dev, proc, then chroot to reinstall, update grub
[21:18] <BitterGeek> I have a existing sudoers file in svn, I want to svn export it and overwrite the exiting sudoers. However my recipe script does something to sudoers that sudo doesn't like (syntax errors). What exactly does sudoers -f do? Can I use that to specify a sudoers file in /tmp and have it be saved in /etc/sudoers?
[21:18] <WeThePeople> chroot into ubuntu if you install windows 2nd
[21:19] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: <shrug> I have all my music and video on a SAN, and iSCSI across to another machine with the media server running in a VM
[21:19] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: this is clearly overkill
[21:19] <Sirisian|Work> gordonjcp, oh wait nvm. I don't need to. I didn't notice this software let you supply a directory.
[21:19] <gordonjcp> Sirisian|Work: what are you doing?
[21:20] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, sure that would be overkill i just want to prepare my external usb hdd for party tomorrow :)
[21:20] <pfhunk> WeThePeople I'm pretty new to linux, I'm trying to ease into it and go the simple route
[21:20] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: play.spotify.com ;-)
[21:20] <bertieb> Hello all, does anyone have experience of running mdadm (RAID) on top of lvm?
[21:21] <Sirisian|Work> Was messing around with dreamweaver. Didn't notice the directory option started from root. I thought it was asking for something else.
[21:21] <Sirisian|Work> (in their sftp connection stuff)
[21:21] <gordonjcp> Sirisian|Work: ugh, dreamweaver
[21:21] <Sirisian|Work> I know right.
[21:21] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, well yeah but my linux box is in another room and i want to play music over my smartphone on amp in party room
[21:22] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: Spotify for Android... ;-)
[21:22] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  on new linux system builds ... you might also want to create a separate partition for home
[21:22] <WeThePeople> pfhunk, install ubuntu 2nd then, you are still going to have to update grub
[21:22] <WeThePeople> iirc
[21:22] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, nooo i invested a lot of time in my collection
[21:22] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: oooh
[21:23] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: look into using kernel NTFS support (read-only) instead of FUSE
[21:23] <pfhunk> I thought I read that the ubuntu installer does that WeThePeople
[21:24] <WeThePeople> yeah it does
[21:24] <BluesKaj> syntroPi, get a raspberrypi for the party room
[21:24] <syntroPi> yeah its tomorrow
[21:24] <sere> syntroPi: I like minidlna for streaming.. its lightweight and works will on all platforms
[21:25] <gordonjcp> sere: yeah, but it's crashing loading "many thousands" of files off an NTFS external drive
[21:25] <pfhunk> Tex_Nick, what would a separate partition for home do? bear with me I'm pretty fresh to partitioning and linux in general
[21:26] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: aha, what happens if you add several audio source directories in the config, and split up the collection into groups?
[21:26] <thurstylark> Does anyone know anything about vinagre? I can't get it to accept my password to my server
[21:26] <bertieb> Anyone have experience of running mdadm (RAID) on top of lvm? It's not the usual way of doing things, but is there any reason to especially avoid it?
[21:26] <gordonjcp> bertieb: that seems an odd way round to do it
[21:26] <sere> gordonjcp: oh i see.. thats no good.. i have never tried streaming large amounts with it
[21:27] <taylorg> Sooo what kind of people are here, what do you guys  to do ?
[21:27] <soy_el_pulpo> bertieb: it is backwards....
[21:27] <gordonjcp> sere: I have, but only with ext4 partitions
[21:27] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, you mean like media_dir=A,/dir1   and new line media_dir=A,dir2    and so on?
[21:27] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: yeah
[21:27] <soy_el_pulpo> lvm on top of RAID
[21:28] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  it keeps your application data separate from the system files ... if you decide to upgrade to a new distro in the future, your user files don't have to be reinstalled
[21:28] <bertieb> soy_el_pulpo / gordonjcp: I do have LVM on top of RAID as well, but I would like to join 2TB+1TB into a pv that can be added to the 4x3TB drives already in the md array
[21:29] <bertieb> like I say, not entirely standard use-case :)
[21:30] <pfhunk> Tex_Nick : alright, and as I recall, you can designate differently-purposed partitions in the ubuntu installer. So it'll know where to put stuff
[21:30] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  see the following post ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[21:31] <soy_el_pulpo> bertieb: sure you can! but I will not recommend it... the last part of you lvm, formed by the 2+1 tb disks will have no redundancy...
[21:31] <ihelpsu> what is strange is that the linuxmint chan has less ppl when its top -- http://distrowatch.com/
[21:31] <Corey> z/j #ubuntu
[21:32] <soy_el_pulpo> bertieb: It will be easier to buy one 3tb drive more and extend your raid
[21:32] <soy_el_pulpo> or buy 4 4tb drives and grow it
[21:32] <bertieb> soy_el_pulpo: there is that, but if I do (2+1)pv -> mdadm (raid6) -> LVM it should have all the benefits of being in a RIAD array (albeit with double the probability of a single drive failure)
[21:33] <bertieb> soy_el_pulpo: alas, if money were no issue :P (I already have the dives and it seems a shame to 'waste' them)
[21:37] <soy_el_pulpo> bertieb: raid 6 uses more space for protection. Use them for offline backups or other things rather thatn making the system more complex
[21:37] <soy_el_pulpo> the issue with raid and dispair devices is that rotational speed, seek ms, etc makes a huge diference.
[21:38] <soy_el_pulpo> bertieb: that explains the recommendation of having IDENTICAL disks
[21:38] <usr13> ihelpsu: Just because it gets more hits does not really mean it is really more popular, or used by more pople.
[21:38] <usr13> *people*
[21:39] <ihelpsu> usr13: yea its just hits, need better ranking system
[21:39] <ihelpsu> everyone add good solutions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com so nothing gets lost
[21:39] <ihelpsu> i dont like lost things
[21:39] <usr13> ihelpsu: And distor whatch obviously doesn't rank IRC channels.
[21:39] <ihelpsu> esp if they helpful
[21:39] <ihelpsu> and i don like redunancy
[21:39] <usr13> ihelpsu: It would be nice if everyone would use the linux counter.
[21:40] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  the link i provided above looks like it's more for moving home to a separate partion after linux has been installed ... the following link might be more helpful ... http://www.howtogeek.com/116742/how-to-create-a-separate-home-partition-after-installing-ubuntu/
[21:40] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, well adding several dirs does work but only if those are owned by minidlna user /stupid/
[21:40] <bertieb> soy_el_pulpo: the array is already built, and I wanted something I could not touch for years, so I went for RAID6 over (say) 5 or 10 - particularly if one of the drives does fail, given the size the long rebuild time and potential for UREs I was a bit hesitant to go for RAID5
[21:42] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  might also google for "ubuntu separate home partition" ... sorry, hope i'm not confusing you ;-)
[21:42] <bertieb> soy_el_pulpo: the 4 new drives in there are identical (same model, which is possibly a risk in and of itself), I'd just like to reuse drives I already have :)
[21:43] <pfhunk> Tex_Nick no worries I still need to find a blank DVD before I can get fully started so I'll be able to read up on a lot
[21:43] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  cool ... hey good luck man ;-)
[21:45] <Tex_Nick> pfhunk:  are you aware of "live usb" installs ? ... if you have a usb stick, that's the way to go
[21:46] <pfhunk> Tex_Nick I have ubuntu on a CD already, I need to burn my windows 7
[21:47] <volty> hi, sometimes updating firefox i lose the adobe flash player and (i presume) the flash-plugin-installer's "Firefox is now checking for available plugins ..." seems going forever.  How can I fix this?
[21:48] <Tex_Nick> ahhh ok ... i nolonger use windows ... however i think you can also use a usbstick to install win 7
[21:48] <usr13> volty: Re-install flashplayer.
[21:48] <usr13> volty: I just do it manually
[21:48] <gordonjcp> syntroPi: owned by or readable by?
[21:48] <Tex_Nick> i've gone that route with winXP
[21:48] <volty> usr13: ok, thx, i'll try with rpm one
[21:49] <usr13> volty: tgz one
[21:49] <pfhunk> I'll have to check it out
[21:49] <volty> usr13: ok :)
[21:50] <usr13> 11.2 is latest version
[21:50] <usr13> volty: Actually, you may already have it.
[21:51] <volty> usr13: so I have just to (re)copy it? from where to where?
[21:51] <usr13>  tar xvf flash-player-plugin.tar.gz ;
[21:52] <volty> yeah, i know what you mean: probably i have got it in the past // going to check, thanks a lot
[21:52] <nb-ben> gs123
[21:52] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, owned works ofc but also i added the user minidlna to my users group so when i give it g+rx it can read it even if my user owns it (insterad of minidlna)
[21:52] <ihelpsu> this nice -- > http://www.tutonics.com/p/ubuntu.html
[21:54] <tonyt> is there a way to make a usb flash drive bootable with a ubuntu iso image on it ?
[21:54] <syntroPi> gordonjcp, seems i just need to get nautllus to fuse mount it with g+rx and it should work. i know i can do mounts manually but i want to have it with nautilus gui for quick access with other drives
[21:54] <usr13> volty: Actually, it's  tar xvf install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz  #And then just move libflashplayer.so to the plugins directory
[21:55] <platzhirsch> If I have a directory /a/b/c, is there a way to change the permission of c with chmod, and at the same time recursively apply the same operation on a and b? Something like a recursive operation but working from inside to outside
[21:56] <usr13> volty: which sould be /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[21:58] <syntroPi> Does anybody know where i would set the default mount options for gnome automount (usb -> fuse -> ntfs)?
[22:01] <DemoOn>  sh /home/arnis/.bash_alias /home/arnis/.bash_alias: 1: /home/arnis/.bash_alias: Syntax error: "(" unexpected when i try to http://pastebin.com/rSksnh1h
[22:03] <DemoOn> helo
[22:06] <lsi32> Hello everyone how can I convert my usb drive from linux filesystem to fat32 file system?
[22:07] <xangua> lsi32: use the Disk utility, type it on the dash
[22:08]  * syntroPi hates gnome3 more and more
[22:10] <MonkeyDust> syntroPi  it's meant to be beginner-friendly, if you're a more advanced user, you may want t try something else
[22:10] <lsi32> I used mkdosfs
[22:12] <lsi32> How can I do it using mkdosfs?
[22:13] <Dr_willis> lsi32,  use gparted and repartionit to be a vfat partion, instead of ext2/3/4 then reformat it.
[22:13] <Dr_willis> us what  i would do.
[22:13] <syntroPi> MonkeyDust, i used to like its configurability on version 2 but now it always feels like a fight to the restrictions the devs think are so nice to force on their users. dconf and such may not even help on some issues
[22:14] <Dr_willis> if its a 'ext3' partition you need to change its partition type i belive first. or things may get confused
[22:15] <lsi32> Could you please tell me how to do it....I am totally new to this.
[22:15] <Dr_willis> lsi32,  use the tool 'gparted' it has a nice gui. delete the partion on the usb. and remake it tobe the FS you want to use
[22:16] <lsi32> Ok thank you
[22:18] <ihelpsu> tonyt: yea i just did that, that's why you put it on teh web instead of this freenode thing
[22:19] <dhci> are there any settings perhaps with xset so that when I'm typing (usb keyboard, xwindows) the commands always go to where the cursor is hovering over
[22:26] <elisa87> I was trying to install   sudo apt-get install linux-libc-dev but I received this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5762976/
[22:27] <uw> looks like a problem
[22:29] <irreverant> Anyone know of any Polycom and Ubuntu support channels?
[22:29] <brontosaurusrex> elisa87, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-install-kernel-headers-package/
[22:29] <irreverant> Or how about a network channel on freenode?
[22:32] <random_guy> unable to install gparted using apt-get install....what to do?
[22:33] <Tex_Nick> irreverant:  #ubuntu-server ?
[22:34] <elisa87> I tried to install linux header for my kernel version but faced this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5763002/
[22:34] <random_guy> unmet dependencies
[22:36] <sermatpy> hello, i'm having trouble with wi fi, it drops for no apparent reason, doesn't happen on windows
[22:36] <sermatpy> i'm using 12.04
[22:38] <Ari-Yang> sermatpy, are you using wifi proprietary driver? if you aren't, I recommend you switch to it
[22:38] <Ari-Yang> I remember using the open source wifi driver and I d/ced from wifi at least 1 a week
[22:38] <sermatpy> no, i´m using the stock driver from installation
[22:38] <Ari-Yang> switching to the proprietary one solved my problem.
[22:39] <meatmanek> I'm using the 10.04 PXE installer image to install onto servers here, and I need to include a newer version of the aacraid.ko kernel module. Is there a way to provide extra/newer drivers without rebuilding the initrd?
[22:39] <sermatpy> ok thanks i'll give it a try
[22:40] <meatmanek> like maybe a kernel command line option I could provide with a URL to a tarball/whatever of more drivers?
[22:40] <ivanelson> I have done a virtualbox with Ubuntu 8.10. There is still apt-get repositories for this version?
[22:40] <bekks> ivanelson: Most likely no.
[22:40] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | ivanelson
[22:41] <sermatpy> says there are no additional drivers for my wi fi driver
[22:41] <bazhang> ivanelson, since it's a vm though, just download the latest iso
[22:41] <sermatpy> *wi fi adapter
[22:42] <ivanelson> bazhang: I just want to download the postgres and tomcat via apt-get on ubuntu 8.10.
[22:42] <ivanelson> bekks: I just want to download the postgres and tomcat via apt-get on ubuntu 8.10.
[22:42] <bazhang> ivanelson, thats long long out of support
[22:43] <bekks> ivanelson: You're out of luck then.
[22:44] <ivanelson> bazhang: At these times we miss slackware! :)
[22:44] <bekks> ivanelson: We dont. :P
[22:45] <ivanelson> bekks: I also do not! :)
[22:46] <ivanelson> So, I run to find a tutorial. Install postgres8 and tomcat6 on hand.
[22:46] <DemoOn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi What does it mean if there Package not aviable at gdb?
[22:48] <pgp-> Hi, guys i need some help, for some reason ubuntu marked my whole system as read only
[22:48] <pgp-> i manage to reboot and it repaired lots of it
[22:48] <pgp-> but i have 2 drives which are on ntfs are still marked as read only
[22:48] <pgp-> system drive is ok
[22:49] <pgp-> them 2 drives i use mainly for data storage , i can see them on samba on other drives and access too
[22:49] <pgp-> just cannot write to them
[22:49] <pgp-> any ideas?
[22:49] <daftykins> pgp-: can you pastebin /etc/fstab ?
[22:49] <pgp-> sure
[22:49] <pgp-> one sec
[22:50] <rasmo> hello folks
[22:51] <daftykins> pgp-: are you dual-booting with Windows also, or just using NTFS disks?
[22:51] <usr13> pgp-: pastebinit /etc/fstab  #And send resulting URL
[22:51] <DemoOn> http://pastebin.com/giwDrxzD is it fixable?
[22:52] <pgp-> daftykins:  just using ntfs disks
[22:52] <pgp-> no dual boot
[22:52] <daftykins> cool
[22:53] <pgp--> http://pastebin.com/qAb88yLH
[22:54] <pgp--> sdb1 and sdc1 are my nfts drives
[22:54] <pgp--> all they have is data
[22:54] <daftykins> pgp--: yeah it's being mounted 'ro' for read only. you're gonna need to edit that file and change 'ro' for 'rw' on both lines
[22:55] <usr13> pgp--: When you see  ro   it means read only
[22:55] <daftykins> usr13: i've got this
[22:55] <pgp--> yeah got it
[22:55] <pgp--> so the file is editable?
[22:55] <pgp--> sudo gkedit will do the job?
[22:55] <WireDemon> hi, was wondering if anyone could help me, im trying to install SDL2 on Ubuntu 13.04
[22:55] <daftykins> is that a graphical editor?
[22:55] <Ari-Yang> just gksudo drag and drop it in terminal and hit enter
[22:55] <daftykins> you want to use gksudo with graphical editors really
[22:55] <Ari-Yang> * gksudo geidt pathnamehere
[22:56] <pgp--> alright thanks guys :)
[22:56] <pgp--> lemme try
[22:56] <daftykins> seriously people - appreciate the input but have you ever heard of too many cooks spoiling the broth? jeez
[22:56] <usr13> daftykins: no
[22:56] <rasmo> i recently installed ubuntu 13.04 (beginner) and want to turn off bluetooth permanently, how do i get this done?
[22:56] <daftykins> my toes may never recover from all this trampling
[22:56] <daftykins> :P
[22:57] <daftykins> pgp--: let us know how it goes. easiest option will be to restart after editing + saving to test
[22:57] <pgp--> alright buddy :)
[22:58] <pgp--> gonna reboot
[22:59] <moses> how do i uninstall a program in ubuntu?
[22:59] <rti^> sudo apt-get purge [package name] i believe moses
[23:00] <Ari-Yang> or sudo aptitude purge package name here
[23:00] <FreakingTea> can anyone help me switch to chinese input on ubuntu 12.04? i've installed everything and it works sometimes on accident, but when i click on the icon at the top to switch the input language, it doesn't do anything.
[23:00] <moses> what if it was manually installed rti^ ?
[23:01] <rti^> i'm pretty new to ubuntu and i'm still trying to learn, but i don't think there would be a difference.. you might want to wait for a more experienced person to reply moses
[23:01] <rti^> sorry :\
[23:02] <th0r> moses: what do you mean by manually installed?
[23:02] <WireDemon> moses, if you used a make file, you might be able to do: make uninstall
[23:05] <moses> ok question
[23:06] <daftykins> moses: go for it
[23:06] <Kevin`> how can I tell grub2 that /boot is always on hd0?
[23:06] <moses> i messed up :/
[23:06] <moses> where does ubuntu keep all the programs
[23:06] <moses> ?
[23:07] <Kevin`> you want to add/remove programs as packages, not touch the files directly, unless you did something really strange
[23:07] <daftykins> moses: all over the place really. it's all about learning package management commands / programs to manage them
[23:07] <Snake2k> moses, usually /usr/bin (executable)
[23:07] <Snake2k> or /usr/local/bin
[23:08] <moses> usr/share/
[23:08] <moses> is where it put it
[23:08] <Snake2k> moses,  its files
[23:08] <moses> ?
[23:09] <th0r> moses: it would help if you just quit walzing around. Tell us where you downloaded the file from and what you did to install it.
[23:10] <moses> actually i just did sudo apt-get install openbabel
[23:11] <th0r> moses: did you try sudo apt-get remove openbabel?
[23:24] <pgp-> hi guys whenever i try to run a terminal i get error
[23:25] <daftykins> pgp-: back so soon! please describe
[23:25] <pgp-> lol indeed daftykins
[23:26] <pgp-> one sec i think i might have fixed it
[23:26] <pgp-> yup fixed!
[23:26] <daftykins> pgp-: what was it out of interest?
[23:27] <pgp-> i was fiddling with .bashrc
[23:27] <pgp-> which broke it
[23:27] <pgp-> now i got new query for ya :P
[23:28] <daftykins> ah ok :) sure what's up?
[23:28] <pgp-> i got this script
[23:28] <pgp-> http://pastebin.com/s1uE51X7
[23:29] <pgp-> in a /etc/init/xbmc.conf  themcontents.
[23:29] <pgp-> but i need to run this script automatically on boot up
[23:29] <pgp-> do i need to make it executable?
[23:30] <daftykins> pgp-: hrmm, not sure i'm afraid. XBMC wiki or the channels on freenode might help. yep it'd need to be executable i'd think
[23:30] <pgp-> ok let me try
[23:30] <pgp-> i thought so
[23:30] <pgp-> doesnt say about making it executable on wiki
[23:31] <WireDemon> Is it possible to install libsdl2 on ubuntu 13.04?
[23:31] <teslan> hi
[23:31] <teslan> someone now joomla_
[23:31] <teslan> ?
[23:31] <daftykins> teslan: ubuntu support only in here i'm afraid
[23:32] <teslan> someone know joomla?
[23:32] <teslan> someone know the channel for joomla?
[23:32] <eshietweb> hello
[23:32] <k1l> !alis | teslan
[23:33] <eshietweb> how can i delete a previous installation of ubuntu?
[23:34] <k1l> eshietweb: erase the partitions and choose another bootloader (if there is another OS on the disk)
[23:35] <veryhappy> someone here who can tell me how to compile or get a newer stable version of compiz to run in ubuntu 12.04.2 x84_64? thank you
[23:37] <Tex_Nick> eshietweb: you can't revert to a previous install (distro) ... however, to just remove the current version you would delete the partition
[23:38] <ryan-c> How the heck do I change apparmor configuration for a libvirt qemu/kvm guest? It says not to edit the file directly
[23:38] <eshietweb> k1l : i installed ubuntu 10.04 in my pc and after the release of 12.04 i installed it too. now i see 3 OS which is ubuntu 10.04, 12.04 and windows. and my hard disk is almost full. and i dont know why its dat ful.
[23:39] <k1l> eshietweb: so you can erase the partitions from 10.04 and give the space to the other partitions if you bootup a live cd (and have backups)
[23:40] <eshietweb> tex_nick  how can i do that?
[23:42] <Tex_Nick> eshietweb:  i didn't notice that kll had posted to you before i did ... i'm going to defer to kll ... kll is MUCH better than i am ;-)
[23:42] <eshietweb> okay ex thanks
[23:42] <k1l> Tex_Nick: ;p
[23:43] <Pricey> tsagu: success!
[23:43] <tsagu> Can anyone assist me? having problems removing Grub and Unbuntu. I deleted the partitions, but it gave me the Grub Rescue screen.
[23:43]  * Tex_Nick salutes kll ^5 man
[23:44] <k1l> tsagu: what other OS are on the system installed?
[23:44] <tsagu> Windows 8.
[23:44] <k1l> tsagu: so you need to reinstall the windows bootloader. grab a win cd and fixmbr
[23:44] <GeorgeTorwell> where can I get Ubuntu ISO hashes?
[23:44] <dragan_r> my software centre keeps crashing after 2 or 3 seckonds i tryed many options even reinstalled it but nothng
[23:44] <teslan7777> ji
[23:45] <xevil> Can anyone tell me why I can't get a Ubuntu 13.04 live DVD to boot on my desktop with Intel processor and Nvidia video card?  In fact I can't get a live CD or DVD past 11.10 to boot... what has changed between 11.10 and 12.04?  I've tried the special options of nomodeset to no avail...
[23:45] <k1l> tsagu: if you need help with that ask the ##windows guys in their channel
[23:45] <tsagu> I don't have a windows 8 disk. Was installed via microsofts site. I have a recovery file, but I can't find the burner for ubuntu to burn it onto disk
[23:46] <k1l> tsagu: i dont know if there is a standalone bootloader recovery from windows. just ask the ##windows guys
[23:46] <tsagu> ok so "/Join #Windows"?
[23:47] <k1l> "/join ##windows"
[23:47] <eshietweb> kil how cani join d windows
[23:48] <k1l> eshietweb: ?
[23:48] <GeorgeTorwell> where can I get Ubuntu ISO hashes?
[23:49] <k1l> GeorgeTorwell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[23:49] <GeorgeTorwell> thanks
[23:49] <Tex_Nick> eshietweb:  google "remove ubuntu" you'll find a lot of links for various situations ... is your box a dual boot with windows installed  ?
[23:50] <k1l> eshietweb: if you mean which program you need: gparted. that can erase and shove the partitions
[23:51] <eshietweb> tec nick yes
[23:51] <MrDyne> I just upgraded my Xubuntu rig from 3.5 to 3.8 and now it wont boot unless I use the 3.5 option in grub. How to I fix it so the upgrade works? When I boot 3.8 the top of screen becomes covered in random colored pixel static.
[23:53] <eshietweb> k1l how can i free up my hard disk?
[23:53] <eshietweb> in ubuntu
[23:53] <Tex_Nick> eshietweb:  ok then you could just remove the partition in windows using the drive administration tool ... or use an ubuntu live cd with gparted as kll sugested
[23:55] <k1l> eshietweb: i answered that already how you can erase the old ubuntu install
[23:56] <eshietweb> yes k1l
[23:57] <Tex_Nick> eshietweb:  see if this helps ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/133533/how-to-remove-ubuntu-and-put-windows-back-on
[23:58] <eshietweb> k1l i am having lots of files so i dont know how to remove some hidden files if there is
[23:58] <k1l> eshietweb: you told us you want to remove the complete 10.04
[23:59] <k1l> eshietweb: show a "df -h" in a pastebin please
[23:59] <eshietweb> yeah k1l


[11:41] <belkinsa> slickymaster, are you able to go the next Doc Team's meeting? http://doodle.com/8ag48wpq3xrs3bi9
[16:57] <pleia2> doing the Ubuntu Open Week session on docs in 3 minutes over in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat if anyone wants to come along :)
[16:58]  * knome joins
[16:59] <pleia2> thanks knome
[17:55] <pleia2> that went well :)
[17:56] <knome> yep
[18:01] <captine> Thanks a mil.  I am so glad I saw these events taking place.  Reading the information on the website is good, but getting it in this fashion is even better for the lazy like me
[22:20] <belkinsa> Question: It safe to edit this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda for the next meeting?
[22:21] <knome> belkinsa, yes
[22:21] <belkinsa> Thanks, knome.  I'm getting everything ready for the next one.
[22:21] <knome> did you decide on the day already?
[22:22] <belkinsa> I have.
[22:22] <belkinsa> I will announce it when I get the agenda ready.
[22:22] <knome> sure
[22:22] <belkinsa> But if you want to know early, it's May 7 @ whatever 2 PM EST is in UTC is.
[22:22] <knome> my back feels like there is an old hard disk drive reading stuff there
[22:24] <belkinsa> 7 PM London time, so 8 UTC?
[22:25] <belkinsa> 6 PM* UTC
[22:25] <knome> 18utc.
[22:25] <belkinsa> Thank you.
[22:25] <knome> wait...
[22:25] <knome> EST or EDT now?
[22:25] <belkinsa> Are you having a hard time logging back into SSO for Ubuntu?
[22:26] <belkinsa> EDT
[22:26] <knome> oh wait, that site calculates that to me
[22:26] <belkinsa> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20140507T14&p1=2509&p2=0
[22:26] <knome> it's sometimes slow
[22:26] <knome> but i haven't used any services for hours now
[22:29] <knome> my back still vibrates in a HDD crunchy way.
[22:35] <belkinsa> Does anyone know if petermatulis comes around here?
[22:59] <belkinsa> knome, e-mail set.
[22:59] <belkinsa> sent*
[22:59] <knome> noticed ;)
[22:59] <knome> i have 11 emails in all folders combined.
[23:00] <knome> that means more than 10% of the mail i have is from you
[23:00] <belkinsa> I think I have 11 too all from Ubuntu related projects
[23:00] <knome> i mean 11 *emails*, not email addresses ;)
[23:00] <belkinsa> I do too
[23:00] <knome> right
[23:00] <belkinsa> And I did know what you mean
[23:00] <knome> i usually get more than that daily...
[23:00] <belkinsa> Okay, I have 12.
[23:01] <knome> but i just did some cleanup
[23:19] <knome> belkinsa, fixed the page a bit (lists mostly)
[23:19] <knome> and "sever" -> "server"
[23:19] <knome> "oops" ;)
[23:23] <belkinsa> Yeah, I corrected that but it seems that it didn't save
[23:26] <belkinsa> You think this system will work?
[23:28] <pleia2> knome is an email deleter
[23:29] <knome> yes... even more so when i don't have to be responsible of stuff now ;)
[23:29]  * pleia2 frets
[23:29] <knome> s/when/as/
[23:29] <knome> my wife probably wouldn't be surprised
[23:30] <knome> she says i'm the mr. "throw it away if you don't need it"
[23:30] <pleia2> I have the opposite husband
[23:30] <knome> awwh
[23:30] <belkinsa> Packrat = know?
[23:30] <belkinsa> knome*
[23:30] <pleia2> his favorite phrase is "it could be useful" - so much now that every time he says it now we laugh
[23:31] <pleia2> knome: is anti-packrat
[23:31] <belkinsa> Oh, right, sorry.
[23:31]  * belkinsa is the same
[23:32] <knome> hehe, yeah...
[23:32] <knome> i don't want to live ascetic... but i do think modern age people have too many things they don't need.
[23:32] <pleia2> I lived a pretty gypsy experience in my 20s, so I got good at letting go, but I still like stuff
[23:32] <belkinsa> oh, is there any important things that I missed from the Ubuntu Doc Classroom session?
[23:32] <knome> like, what do we do with all of these 20 knives
[23:33] <pleia2> belkinsa: someone came up with your same idea for a week long wiki jam, so I think we should do it this cycle :)
[23:33] <knome> and do you *really* need the 15th set of pillow covers
[23:33] <belkinsa> Sure, I heard my name called but I didn't read who asked that.
[23:33] <knome> like, not the pillows you sleep with... the decoration ones!
[23:33] <pleia2> my husband's new strategy is "ok fine, we'll donate it to charity, but I need to do it so I can get a receipt" "why haven't you taken it in?" "we already hit our charitable donations quota for the year"
[23:34] <knome> lol
[23:34] <knome> in april...
[23:34] <knome> my parent-in-laws are working as volunteers on a flea market... guess if they get a lot of stuff from us
[23:35] <pleia2> it's my fault, not from giving away stuff, I give away money to any cute animal who shows me those cute eyes
[23:35]  * knome twirls to the floor, oinks and flaps eyes
[23:35] <pleia2> lol
[23:35] <belkinsa> lol
[23:37] <knome> anyway, back to the original discussion...
[23:37] <knome> i like proper, quality furniture though