[15:02] <boredandblogging> anyone around?
[15:03] <boredandblogging> can someone publish dholbach's packaging session: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1293
[15:42] <beuno> boredandblogging, published
[15:50] <boredandblogging> beuno: thanks
[15:55] <beuno> :D


[03:01] <Nafallo> note to self: try out para-XEN on silverfairy
[04:40] <mjg59> kylem: Rock, ipw3945 d80211 is now functional
[04:40] <mjg59> I'll work on that tomorrow (in my wireless blitz)
[11:19] <KenSentMe> I think there is a problem with the new 2.6.17-11 kernel along with nvidia kernel module. X won't start anymore and there are more people with this problem
[03:11] <kylem> mjg59, you are so full of the awesome. thanks!
[03:11] <kylem> mjg59, dscape ipw3945 is the one not-requiring the binary daemon, correct?
[03:12] <mjg59> kylem: Correct
[04:18] <kylem> BenC, did you manage to get acx going on ia64?
[04:18] <kylem> BenC, (sorry, i didn't test build on the non-release arches... :(
[04:22] <kylem> BenC, also, i'm thinking of switching feisty from doing MMCONFIG with fallbacks to whitelist MMCONFIG on some chipsets, but use DIRECT pci access by default, with fallback to BIOS. i've noticed quite a few bugs where turning on pci=nommconf fixes bugs. :(
[04:25] <kylem> fabbione, aside from the delay, how was your trip home?
[04:26] <fabbione> kylem: ok i would say...
[04:26] <fabbione> managed to sleep almost all the flight
[04:26] <fabbione> but i did miss a penguin to cuttle...
[04:27] <kylem> yeah yeah, i'll ship it this week, relax a bit. ;P
[04:27] <fabbione> hahaha
[04:27] <fabbione> might as well wait May at UDS
[04:27] <fabbione> reall
[04:27] <fabbione> it's not worth shipping
[04:28] <kylem> well, netwinder with it.
[04:28] <mjg59> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/networking.mspx
[04:28] <fabbione> up to you really..
[04:28] <mjg59> Find the "network mapping" section
[04:28] <mjg59> Wonder how it does that
[04:29] <kylem> haze of bong smoke, etc.
[04:30] <kylem> UPNP probably
[04:31] <fabbione> nmap ?
[04:32] <fabbione> there are small and simple tools to do stuff like that
[04:32] <fabbione> even one for linux
[04:32] <mjg59> Including working out whether something's the other side of a bridge or not?
[04:32] <fabbione> mjg59: last i used it it was about 4 years ago..
[04:33] <fabbione> no idea what it can do now
[04:33] <fabbione> but it's nothing different than HP OpenView discovery mechanism
[04:34] <kylem> do the little linksys doohickeys to snmp?
[04:34] <mjg59> Doubt it
[04:34] <kylem> thought not.
[04:34] <mjg59> I guess it's either upnp or (possibly) spanning tree?
[04:35] <kylem> i wonder if i can use dmi to nix mmconfig... hmm.
[04:36] <mjg59> kylem: I'm sure you can, but I'm fairly sure you don't want to
[04:36] <kylem> right, i'd rather whitelist using it. heh.
[04:36] <mjg59> Windows still doesn't use mmconfig
[04:36] <mjg59> So I certainly wouldn't be unhappy disabling it by default
[04:36] <kylem> agreed
[04:36] <kylem> right now we do ANY, which does mmconfig -> direct -> bios fallbacks.
[04:37] <kylem> the problem is we don't do a good job detecting broken mmconfig and so shit breaks in nasty ways. :(
[04:39] <mjg59> kylem: Bad news is that I'm going to have to feed you some slightly updated d80211 code
[04:39] <fabbione> mjg59: spanning tree won't help much alone..
[04:40] <kylem> mjg59, what's the good news?
[04:40] <fabbione> anyway
[04:40] <mjg59> kylem: Give me a sec and I'll let you know how good bcm4311 support is now
[04:40] <fabbione> i am off to turn off N+1 too many candles on my bday cake and play with my son a bit
[04:40] <fabbione> cya on monday
[04:40] <mjg59> Just need to grab the firmware and swap the cards
[04:41] <kylem> mjg59, *hugs*
[04:42] <mjg59> Once that's done, I'll give the new ipw3945 code a test
[04:42] <kylem> thanks!
[04:43] <mjg59> Just need to find some screwdrivers...
[04:44] <mjg59> Jesus. Sony really don't make it easy to get at the mini-PCIe socket.
[04:53] <mjg59> Gah. I've odne this before, but can't remember how.
[05:06] <navber> guys
[05:06] <navber> what was the xen issue y'day
[05:06] <navber> from xensource
[05:07] <navber> BenC: ping
[05:09] <mjg59> Ok, so hal believes that I have no PCI devices
[05:09] <mjg59> Other than that, things look good
[05:10] <navber> dammit i want that link
[05:10] <navber> :D
[05:10] <navber> anyone recalls that ridiculous post on xensource?
[05:11] <navber> or was it devxnews
[05:13] <mjg59> Hm. Except I don't seem to be getting any incoming packets.
[05:13] <navber> ok got it http://www.devxnews.com/article.php/3658001
[05:13] <navber> what was the issue again ?
[05:13] <navber> something about virtualization
[05:14] <mjg59> navber: I have no idea what you're talking about
[05:14] <mjg59> Oh. Now it's started working.
[05:14] <navber> BenC and a few others were discussing it y'day
[05:17] <mjg59> kylem: So I'm getting ~340K/sec with bcm4311 now
[05:18] <mjg59> Which is much better than it used to be
[05:20] <navber> you know during cross compilations the difficult bit is  building the cross compiler isnt it? ... but once its built then its a breeze
[05:27] <mjg59> kylem: Ok, this is definitely better than what we've currently got. Just want to test on bcm4318 as well first.
[06:15] <mjg59> kylem: Hm. Yeah, there's definitely some sort of issue where the card doesn't seem properly associated to begin with
[06:48] <kylem> mjg59, with bcm4318 you mean?
[06:53] <mjg59> No, bcm4311
[06:53] <mjg59> Moving onto bcm4318 next
[06:54] <mjg59> Just need to wait for the machine to finish updating before I swap the cards
[06:57] <kylem> ah
[07:55] <mjg59> kylem: Score. iwlwifi seems to work well.
[08:02] <mjg59> kylem: bcm4318 still isn't great, though. I'm only getting about 50K/sec
[08:57] <BenC> kylem: yeah, ia64+acx is building now
[08:57] <BenC> and I saw the mmconfig thing too..your fix sounds reasonable
[09:06] <mjg59> BenC: Did the new LRM get into the security upload?
[09:06] <mjg59> I've seen a couple of bugs that could be explained by it being missing
[09:07] <BenC> I'd have to ask pitti about that one
[09:11] <mjg59> BenC: Also, current git seems to break hal
[09:11] <mjg59> Updating hal to newer upstream code rectifies this
[09:11] <BenC> How does the kernel break hal?
[09:12] <BenC> lrm has trunk code of madwifi
[09:12] <BenC> or do you mean the new-hal branch?
[09:12] <mjg59> Not madwifi hal
[09:12] <mjg59> hald
[09:12] <mjg59> The userspace app
[09:18] <BenC> ah
[09:18] <BenC> too man hal's
[11:38] <markedwards> Has the sky2 ethernet driver hang issue been fully fixed in the recent <IP_ADDRESS> kernel update?
[11:40] <mjg59> !
[11:40] <mjg59> With openhal


[04:58] <george_e> I've got a rather strange issue here - it seems like Juju is completely ignoring the default values I have set in config.yaml.
[04:58] <george_e> If I interactively debug the config-changed hook and try to retrieve a config value, it doesn't return the default - it's empty.
[05:01] <george_e> Any ideas?
[05:53] <SpamapS> george_e: what version of juju?
[05:54] <SpamapS> george_e: a few bugs around that have been fixed in the last 2 months.
[05:55] <george_e> SpamapS: Apparently 0.5+bzr467.
[06:15] <SpamapS> george_e: ok well then that is odd.
[06:16] <SpamapS> george_e: unfortunately you've caught me just before passing out from exhaustion.. but please do come back and ask again. :)
[06:16] <george_e> I've just upgraded to the latest version and I've started the environment from scratch.
[06:16] <george_e> SpamapS: Yeah, I'll be here tomorrow.
[06:16] <SpamapS> george_e: also it might work to ask on askubuntu.com and tag with 'juju' .. we read those periodically and they tend to produce nice long-lived answers.
[06:16]  * SpamapS passes out
[06:16] <george_e> SpamapS: I can definitely do that.
[06:17] <george_e> I use Ask Ubuntu all the time :P
[14:44] <shafiqissani> If I want to deploy a single charm ... why is the bootstrapped node necessary ? the extra node is a huge waste of resources... Is there any possibility to deploy a charm without it ?
[22:08] <george_e> Juju seems to be broken - all of the charms I deploy get stuck at the 'pending' stage.
[22:44]  * george_e downgrades to 0.5+bzr467.
[22:44] <george_e> It's still not working :(
[22:44] <george_e> Time for a serious downgrade to the version packaged in the Oneiric archives.
[22:45] <george_e> ...followed by a prompt reboot.


[01:50] <wrst> nice for me at least
[02:29] <Juzzy> righto
[02:39] <cyberanger> Juzzy: yeah, I survived, actually not bad
[02:40] <cyberanger> hectic, but not bad
[02:40] <cyberanger> one of the best nights there
[02:59] <wrst> cyberanger: you had the bad part putting up woth the crazy people like my wife
[03:00] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, the craziest people were the ones that waited 4 hours at least for a 198 dollar 40 inch tv
[03:00] <cyberanger> some was claiming 7 hours, I can vouch for 4 of that
[03:01] <wrst> how much does that tv normally cost?
[03:01] <cyberanger> but no murder, little mayhem
[03:02] <cyberanger> that exact tv I think isn't normally carried in our store, emerson
[03:02] <cyberanger> but on avg it was 40% discount
[03:02] <cyberanger> that's what I could gather at least
[03:02] <wrst> ha thats good :)
[03:03] <cyberanger> online seemed to be 40-50%, avg. 47% (makes sense, that extra 7% is easy, everyone online buys before the staff demand to ship items, wal-mart has that extra step
[03:05] <cyberanger> so, 7% is the lack of wages for salesfloor concerns, cart pushers, and riot control (keep in mind, IT costs at wal-mart were there, online maps for computers, smartphones, and walmart.com cyber monday, wal-mart didn't save any there)
[03:08]  * cyberanger feels even more tired now than when he fell asleep :-/
[03:08] <cyberanger> time for another night shift, catch you all later
[03:11] <wrst> later
[13:18]  * cyberanger yawns
[13:18] <cyberanger> morning everyone
[15:31] <pace_t_zulu> morning cyberanger
[16:17] <pace_t_zulu> quiet in here
[16:18] <pace_t_zulu> some new handles ... ComputerChic lengau - nice to see y'all
[21:05] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you doing alright (sorry for the long reply, fell asleep
[21:22] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: doing well - thanks
[21:23] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: how are things round here?
[21:24] <cyberanger> with 3 jobs right now, I'm barely here, but from what I gather from the backlogs, things are going well
[21:54] <wrst> howdy pace_t_zulu
[22:47]  * wrst watches as firefox compiles
[23:01] <chris4585> wrst, from aur?
[23:02] <wrst> chris4585: yes the opensuse kde version
[23:02] <wrst> been working for... oh an hour now
[23:02] <wrst> how you doing chris4585?
[23:06] <chris4585> wrst, cool, I've been helping a funtoo project
[23:06] <chris4585> all it is, is compiling and making binaries
[23:06] <chris4585> lol
[23:10] <wrst> oh goodness that may take days?
[23:53] <chris4585> weeks
[23:54] <chris4585> hes trying to make a distro based off of funtoo but with binaries instead of compiling
[23:54] <chris4585> so to get the binaries in a repo we have to compile everything


[13:14] <WGRM> Hi There. I want to change the attribute "enable-tree-lines" from "caja" permanently, but can not find any clue. It is not possible via css nor via gtk3 options. Can anybody help?
[13:56] <cpaelzer> jamespage: while I have some hope that it will soon be fixed in the kernel, thanks for the bump to the badtest of openvswitch for now
[13:57] <cpaelzer> and I see an GRE MTU fix in there
[13:58] <cpaelzer> btw is there a new ETA on 2.9 ?
[14:13] <WGRM> Well, that's sad. But i knew IRC is useless. C ya or better said, won't.
[21:24] <xnox> slangasek, do we care about memkind? there are afew new upstream releases out... maybe they build?
[21:47] <slangasek> xnox: I would like memkind to not be on the nag list, but the last time I looked into it I ran into problems building even with the newer jemalloc from Debian experimental.
[21:49] <slangasek> xnox: are you pulling the trigger on libssl-dev?  that would clean up a lot of p-m staleness
[21:50] <xnox> slangasek, yes, but not right now =) train-lagged, and I have peach beer from Brussels FOSDEM =)
[21:50] <slangasek> ok :)
[21:50] <xnox> slangasek, why not build memkind... you know like upstream.... with vendorised jemalloc
[21:50]  * xnox hides
[22:02]  * xnox loves cc1plus: error: -Wformat-security ignored without -Wformat [-Werror=format-security]