[09:43] <mpt> katie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings?action=diff&rev2=14&rev1=13
[17:11] <mpt> Just posted the winning layout for System Settings overview on phone. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings#phone
[17:12] <snwh> have some affirmation mpt: :D
[17:12] <mpt> ^_^


[11:49] <zequence> sakrecoer: Very nice. I like it.
[11:50] <sakrecoer> :) cool!
[11:50] <sakrecoer> then i'll  go ahead and render them in lossless
[14:30] <sakrecoer> this i pretty neat: http://www.thregr.org/~wavexx/software/fgallery/index.html
[14:30] <sakrecoer> next release maybe? :) it seems to be packaged in debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fgallery
[14:31] <sakrecoer> next as in 17.04, since feature freeze is way past...
[14:31] <sakrecoer> been in touch with darktable guys to improve the "export to webgallery" function anyways.
[14:49] <autumna> nice
[14:51] <autumna> sakrecoer: I'd say we have enough work to do for 16.10. is it too early to begin planning for 17.04 through? like can we begin listing package wishlist for 17.04 so that we don't forget as we find things?
[14:52] <autumna> re gallery thing: it looks nice. my only concern is if this thing works with search engines, since the whole navigation seems to rely on javascript
[14:56] <sakrecoer> autumna: no idea about the SEO of that script..
[14:56] <sakrecoer> check this one out tho: https://github.com/Jack000/Expose
[14:59] <sakrecoer> autumna: well... of course, you are welcome to keep wishlists, as long as it doesn't interfer with the current process i'd say.
[14:59]  * autumna bookmarks the gallery script for further investigation
[14:59] <sakrecoer> i mean, discussing things is a good thing always :) discussing things while other things should be discussed is less good maybe :D
[14:59] <autumna> sakrecoer: I highly doubt that keeping a wiki page somewhere would do any harm. ;)
[15:00] <autumna> so that people can braindump, that way when the time comes for discussion, we don't realize 2 days before the feature freeze: oh wait, we were also discussing doing x y and z last december.
[15:00] <autumna> which sort of what happened this time around :D
[15:01] <autumna> (not that it was a disaster, since it was before the deadline and not after)
[15:01] <autumna> its up to you *shrugs*
[15:02] <sakrecoer> not sure what you refering to autumna ?
[15:02] <sakrecoer> nor what is up to me, neither what happened this time around...
[15:05] <autumna> huh?
[15:05] <autumna> the request for writing meta?
[15:06] <autumna> plume creator etc
[15:07] <sakrecoer> autumna: still don't get it.
[15:07] <autumna> also the discussion about the adding of the audio setup to controls. - hmm
[15:08] <autumna> sakrecoer: what do you mean?
[15:08] <sakrecoer> i mean: what are you talking about?
[15:08] <sakrecoer> the writing meta request came in before deadline, right?
[15:09] <autumna> yes.
[15:09] <sakrecoer> so, what are you suggesting is up to me to do?
[15:09] <autumna> I am.. not suggestion something that is up to you to do.
[15:10] <sakrecoer> "17:01 < autumna> its up to you *shrugs*"
[15:10] <autumna> I am saying a page or a list somewhere to keep track of this ideas might be a good idea if we aren't doing it already, rather than relying to remember it when time comes to put up feature requests
[15:10] <autumna> oh I meant, the decision is yours
[15:10] <autumna> :D
[15:10] <sakrecoer> :D haha
[15:10] <autumna> what did YOU think I was saying? or shall I not ask
[15:10] <autumna> :P
[15:11] <sakrecoer> well, i had no idea :D
[15:11] <autumna> lol
[15:12] <sakrecoer> well, atm we should focus on what has to be done for this release, according to what was agreed in the feature definition process.
[15:12] <autumna> ok
[15:12] <autumna> by the way when you said we needed illustration for website pages
[15:12] <sakrecoer> but its a good question you ask autumna
[15:13] <autumna> what were you meaning?
[15:13] <sakrecoer> images for the feature tour
[15:13] <autumna> (heh, process review is always an ongoing thing)
[15:13] <autumna> OK
[15:13] <autumna> oh so background images, and icons etc?
[15:13] <sakrecoer> exactly :)
[15:13] <autumna> gotcha
[15:14] <autumna> geirdal was asking me what was needed, last night at which point I realized I had no idea if we had an immediate illustration request
[15:15] <sakrecoer> yeah, i saw that. i guess this discussion would be way better suited in an email thread...
[15:15] <autumna> good point
[15:15] <autumna> you want to start the thread or should I?
[15:16] <autumna> I know what I am doing, I am going to get the support page text done since that is one of the critical items. are we still drafting content in stage?
[15:17] <sakrecoer> yes, i think you can go ahead and do it in stage
[15:18] <sakrecoer> re: email, i can do it unless you realy want to :) but i'm kindof writing something else atm so it will come later tonight.
[15:20] <autumna> I think it might be better for you to do it when you get the chance.
[15:40] <sakrecoer> ok :)
[20:20] <geirdal> I dont need to do anything :) but if I can help I will!
[20:21] <geirdal> If there is nothing for me to do! THats also ok ;)
[20:39] <geirdal> but Im here to help :)
[20:55] <sakrecoer> geirdal: i guess i have to write it in a mail, i get the feeling i don't come through very clear about those graphics here in IRC.
[20:55] <geirdal> ok
[20:56] <sakrecoer> i mean, i am putting in it in a mail.. :)
[20:56] <geirdal> :)


[14:10] <goshawk> hi
[14:10] <goshawk> ogra: ping
[14:10] <goshawk> after the change we did yesterday
[14:10] <goshawk> i don't see anything more than * Starting kernel log daemon...                                         [ OK ]
[14:11] <goshawk>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd                             [ OK ]
[18:06] <DGMurdockIII> hi dose ubuntu support arm laptops/ netbooks
[18:07] <goshawk> DGMurdockIII: yes
[18:08] <DGMurdockIII> in ubuntu netbook remix
[18:08] <goshawk> dunno
[18:08] <goshawk> but i think yes
[18:08] <goshawk> you just
[18:08] <goshawk> install ubuntu in that arm
[18:08] <goshawk> and install the same packages of ubuntu netbook remix
[18:09] <goshawk> dunno if there are ready images for ubuntu netbook remix (arm version)
[18:11] <goshawk> DGMurdockIII: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[19:01] <DGMurdockIII> hey so if i am working on a custom distro that based on ubuntu netbook remix distro is there a way i can add arm support easly


[10:51] <sylvainc__> Hello, I have errors booting BTRFS rootfs on Ubunut 16.04 LTS system since linux-image-4.4.0-127-generic update linux-image-4.4.0-124-generic boot without problems, the BTRFS rootfs partition is clean (checked with a livecd), the problem appear mainly on sevral laptop computers, I want to know if you have some pointer about this kind of problem befor I fill a bug report.
[10:51] <sylvainc__> For details I get a kernel panic with error "not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" when hidden grub boot occurs, but if I enter grub then boot no error occurs.
[10:58] <sylvainc__> I'have done many test with grub reinstall, but linux-image-4.4.0-124-generic boot well in all cases, but linux-image-4.4.0-127-generic doesn't, Thanks for your pointer or help.
[12:15] <apw> sylvainc__, it is not at all clear how the kernel would even know if you hit return or grub did it for you
[12:16] <apw> sylvainc__, i think we need a bug filed, and could you get a 'dpkg -l | grep linux-' output attached to the bug
[12:24] <sylvainc__> apw, thanks for your answer, I agree, it's pretty disturbing, I will try to do some tests before report the bug (if necessary)
[12:25] <apw> sylvainc__, the message implies the kernel is not finding the initramfs which would be grub's fault often
[12:25] <apw> but quite how it does that different for an auto select of 127 as against it picking 127 by default
[12:26] <apw> it beyond me at the moment
[12:32] <sylvainc__> apw, thanks no wories, I will try to find more elements by doing more tests about this issue
[13:22] <cascardo> adding your grub cnfig files to the bug could help
[14:11] <sylvainc__> cascardo, ok thanks i will add it
[14:11] <apw> sylvainc__, and let us know the bug number here in case
[14:35] <sylvainc__> apw, ok, I will continue to work on this issue because I need to understand it, but i must leave now, thanks for your help again
[14:37] <apw> sylvainc__, np
[23:01] <jeremy31> Ubuntu 18.04 killed my bluetooth and it seems that the upstream fix from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/drivers/bluetooth?id=803cdb8ce584198cd45825822910cac7de6378cb works for everyone
[23:02] <jeremy31> Ubuntu bug link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1764645


[00:02] <JackFrost> dzho: https://paste.unit193.net/?bd0c03f17738523f#pC3WegXkRE/XcCsx8V4xy5eYXXj1CrxzwJXLOLHgXF8= seems to be the gist of it.


[00:17] <cjwatson> mwhudson: afraid not - it would probably be a good thing to have, though I'd suggest ubuntu-dev-tools rather than ubuntu-archive-tools
[11:15] <Odd_Bloke> wgrant: cjwatson: Could someone bump the priority of https://launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/+livefs/ubuntu/xenial/cpc/+build/48541 for me?
[11:15] <Odd_Bloke> (And could you remind me who can do that, so I can ping the right people in future?)
[11:17] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, well, looking at https://launchpad.net/builders and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&arch_tag=s390x
[11:17] <xnox> it's simply a bunch of haskell stuff building.
[11:18] <xnox> and should be done quickly-ish. About 4 or 5 builds per builder left. Is not much.
[11:20] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Every refresh of the build page has increased the 'Start in' time, so I suspected that something was queueing new builds which were all taking priority.  But if that's not the case, then I don't mind waiting.
[11:20] <wgrant> Odd_Bloke: Done.
[11:20] <Odd_Bloke> wgrant: Danke.
[11:21] <wgrant> Odd_Bloke: It's best to poke me or Colin, or WebOps if neither of us are around and it's critical.
[11:21] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, that "something" probably was archive auto sync =) and you can blame debian people for uploading haskell =)
[11:22] <Odd_Bloke> I would send a strongly worded complaint if I could work out how to use the IO monad to send email. ;)
[11:30] <xnox> Odd_Bloke<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;-)
[11:41] <Odd_Bloke> ^_^
[12:37] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, it's done \o/
[12:38] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, but there is no -lxd.tar.gz ?!
[12:38]  * xnox is downloading the lot at the moment.
[12:40] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Ah, no, -lxd.tar.gz is produced in our build system (because it requires us to include information that is difficult to pass through to the buildds).
[12:41] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, ah, ok. So i guess copy this over to private file share, or i can do that. Whichever.
[12:41] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, but could you run the by-products through to make -lxd.tar.gz?
[12:41] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, sigh, can't download from LP directly from private-fileshare.
[12:41] <xnox> and then create simple stream, and have that all on the private file share?
[12:41] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Creating simple streams is far from simple.
[12:42] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, >_<
[12:42] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: And private-fileshare uses OpenID, so it's pretty much impossible to use with a script.
[12:42] <xnox> horum.
[12:42] <xnox> in that case private-fileshare is no good.
[12:42] <Odd_Bloke> Well, it's fine for me pointing people at files for testing purposes.
[12:43] <Odd_Bloke> But it's no good for delivery, certainly.
[12:43] <xnox> is it really openid?! even when connected to vpn?
[12:43]  * xnox goes to try to find private file share docs
[12:43] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, hm, I'm not connected to the VPN so I don't know.
[12:44] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Yeah, I'm connected to the VPN and attempting to access from a private session redirects to login.ubuntu.com.
[12:45] <xnox> =(
[12:47] <mgz> use lillypilly?
[12:48] <xnox> mgz, no..... we want something behind the vpn, without oauth.
[12:48] <xnox> people.canonical.com is public.
[12:51] <mgz> hm, but need better than no one is looking for the url auth?
[15:45] <DrunkenDwarf> Hi all. Hoping someone can help, im trying to clean up my packaging and distrobution so my first time working with PPAs, ive built a source package and dput it to my ppa, but in the launchpad page it still says my ppa does not contain any packages. there were no errors in pushing, the output is here: http://pastebin.com/EA92dUrP ... not quite sure why its not showing up
[15:49] <cjwatson> DrunkenDwarf: Our system sent you an automatic rejection email; can you please check for it?
[15:50] <cjwatson> (check spam folders, etc.)
[15:50] <DrunkenDwarf> ahhhh. that literally just pinged through to my phone. thanks ... hmmm
[15:52] <cjwatson> we need to know what release of Ubuntu to build this package for; current supported releases are precise, trusty, vivid, wily, and xenial.  no such release as "STABLE"
[15:53] <DrunkenDwarf> ahhhh. thats for the Ubuntu release. .. i see. thought it was the package release as many tutorials showed "UNSTABLE" being an option.... thankyou, ill fix that
[15:53] <cjwatson> It would be lower-case "unstable"; but that refers to Debian unstable
[15:54] <DrunkenDwarf> i see. that makes sense
[15:54] <cjwatson> which is the sort-of-a-release where new packages are uploaded
[17:04] <dobey> hmm, seems a lot of the x86 builders are offline. something with prodstack?
[17:06] <cjwatson> We've had a lot of reliability problems lately; poked as a temporary measure
[17:06] <cjwatson> (I should finish this enormous branch rather than digging into it)
[17:07] <dobey> ah ok
[17:07] <cjwatson> (Probably not prodstack; builders are in scalingstack, which is several separate clouds.  They do have a bit of exposure to prodstack problems but this is probably not that.)
[17:08] <dobey> oh right
[18:58] <wxl> am i reading correctly that github is not supported as a remote tracker? https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/RemoteTrackerCoverage
[19:00] <dobey> did github even have issues yet, 7 years ago?
[19:00] <dobey> (because that's when that wiki page was last updated) :)
[19:00] <cjwatson> wxl: Afraid so.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/848666
[19:01] <cjwatson> It needs explicit modelling of the remote issue tracker and how to slurp information from it; not ridiculously hard but a little too big a task to be just slotted in round the edges
[19:01] <dobey> cjwatson: could we get someone to update that wiki page a bit (i would but i don't know the actual statuses), as Google Code is at least no more afaik
[19:02] <wxl> right right. well i'll subscribe to the bug and see what happens in the future. i will admit that most of lxde's development has moved to github, so for lubuntu, especially with lxqt on the horizon, i'd say that's an important addition, but not like we can't work around it.
[19:03] <cjwatson> dobey: Wouldn't be a bad idea, but I really don't know the external bug tracker stuff very well myself.  wgrant might.
[19:04] <dobey> yeah, github issues will probably be even more useful when all the other git work gets finished up
[19:04] <dobey> cjwatson: sure. :)
[19:06] <cjwatson> I think it may just be a matter of removing google code; it's a while since there was much other development on external trackers ...
[19:06] <cjwatson> at least at that sort of basic level
[19:07] <cjwatson> github issues would be useful in combination with git imports, indeed
[19:07] <dobey> cjwatson: maybe add a column for github as well, with a link to the bug report?
[19:07] <cjwatson> good idea, let me do that much at least
[19:08] <dobey> cjwatson: cool, thanks. that should at least make it easier for people to see the status when they are curious and end up on that page
[19:10] <cjwatson> r8330 is a good example of how to do simple linking support, though
[19:10] <cjwatson> posting here mostly for reference in case somebody fancies trying github issue linking based on that
[19:10] <cjwatson> (there are several levels of possible support here)
[19:14] <cjwatson> added a column to the wiki
[19:17] <dobey> cool


[01:08] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys have a quick question, i have an external hard drive after im done copying over files i try to unmount it, and it keeps saying its in use
[01:09] <Psil0Cybin> and never lets me unmount and eject what can i do
[01:13] <FoxBJK> what OS?
[03:13] <Deepfriedice> Psil0Cybin, What windows do you have open at the time?
[03:17] <Psil0Cybin> i had thundar open
[03:17] <Psil0Cybin> in order to unmount and eject via gui
[03:18] <newboy> Help! :)
[03:19] <newboy> Trying to install onto netbook from usb flash drive, download gives me option of 32 bit desktop or 32 bit alternate torrent any tips on which one I need?
[03:28] <newboy> Got it :)
[07:18] <xubuntu915> can you plz tell me password management policy
[07:18] <bazhang> !find keepassx
[07:18] <bazhang> !info keepassx
[07:20] <xubuntu915> thank you..
[07:20] <bazhang> np
[08:58] <xubuntu615> Hi Everyone, There is a customized LiveCD which has my wanted screen resolution. Which folder sholud I copy to my system to has those settings. Please don't tell me the only way is xorg.conf.d and xorg.conf creation because they are not working. The live system also works without them as well.
[08:59] <TheSheep> no
[09:45] <Svetlana> what xfce theme is sufficiently Mac-like? trying to translate documentation somewhere, it asks for mac screenshots so I'd be happy to fake that a bit
[09:46] <bekks> Svetlana: the menu structure, etc. is totally different. Just adjusting borders and button layout wont help you much.
[09:46] <Svetlana> redmondXP theme is ok for win screenshots but I can't find anything mac-like in the default set; tried using http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=149800 but I don't see it in the list
[09:46] <Svetlana> no, not OS screenshots, screenshots of an appication which actually is same on all platforms
[09:46] <TheSheep> Svetlana: they want mac screenshots because the font rendering is completely different
[09:46] <TheSheep> Svetlana: and that cannot be faked because of patent
[09:46] <TheSheep> s
[09:47] <Svetlana> I have been using wine for faking wine screenshots, it does have different looking fonts indeed
[09:47] <Svetlana> what to use for mac-like?
[09:47] <TheSheep> edit it in gimp ;)
[09:48] <Svetlana> those blue scrollbars aren't very easy
[09:48] <bekks> copy&paste :)
[09:48] <Svetlana> mmm looking at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590076
[10:09] <xubuntuNewbie007> Hey, I have a question about installing xbuntu via unetbootin and the hard disk option rather than Live USB:
[10:10] <xubuntuNewbie007> When I get to the part that partitians the table it errors out if I try to format it. So I just ran the install over mint 15 without formatting.
[10:10] <xubuntuNewbie007> 1.) is that going to hurt me?
[10:10] <xubuntuNewbie007> 2.) is it because I'm using the hard disk option with unetbootin?
[10:12] <xubuntuNewbie007> hey mongy - are you an expert, here to solve my woes?
[13:57] <xubuntu217> Goodday to all, from me, with a litte question.
[13:58] <xubuntu217> how do I get the right version Skype?
[14:01] <xubuntu217>  silence is golden .....
[15:03] <gdos> i was using dwww to browse through man pages and it worked for a while but not anymore. now my webserver settings seemed to have been hosed. even when i type http://localhost i get a page not found error. how can i fix this?
[15:10] <pinqvin_> hello
[15:10] <pinqvin_> Is it possible to get my sd drive work in my toshiba? Device is Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller (rev 03)
[15:24] <gdos> how do i get file:///var/www/index.html to display on http://localhost or http://192.168.*.* or http://hostname(systemname) - when i open these pages i get an ERROR 404
[18:51] <dingus_khan> hi, I was on here recently and someone pointed me to a link on how exactly to repair a botched GRUB installation via the LiveCD session; anyone know what I'm talking about?
[18:52] <Sysi> !grub
[18:53] <dingus_khan> most helpful bot I've ever seen
[19:56] <Thisegzz> hey, can anyone tell me when xubuntu 13.10 is planned to be released?
[19:57] <Myrtti> thursday
[19:57] <Thisegzz> awesome, thanks
[19:57] <Thisegzz> will it be downloadable on xubuntu.org by then?
[19:58] <Myrtti> probably yes
[19:58] <Thisegzz> ok, thanks :)
[22:06] <gdos> just installed freevo. its nice but how do i keep it from starting up automagically (i.e. before the lightdm panel)?
[23:13] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys gotta  small issue
[23:13] <PhoenixSTF> seems like xfdesktop-settings went all nuts after a failed suspend
[23:14] <PhoenixSTF> cannot change desktop anymore


[04:38] <mup> Bug #1687092 changed: Unable to deploy a node in MAAS 2.1.3 in Ubuntu 16.04 <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1687092>
[07:47] <mup> Bug #1700494 changed: Import SSH keys [] (lp:user-id or gh:user-id): <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700494>
[08:02] <mup> Bug #1700494 opened: Import SSH keys [] (lp:user-id or gh:user-id): <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700494>
[08:05] <mup> Bug #1700494 changed: Import SSH keys [] (lp:user-id or gh:user-id): <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700494>
[18:00] <gimmic> is 2.0x worth the upgrade from 1.9?
[18:00] <gimmic> Wondering if some of the oddness I'm seeing in deployment is better
[18:06] <roaksoax_> gimmic: yeah, definitely
[18:06] <roaksoax_> gimmic: 2.x has been quite an improvement
[18:06] <gimmic> im cringing at trying to do a live upgrade of my existing system
[18:07] <gimmic> wondering if I should give it a shot or just build a new box
[18:10] <gimmic> "Static IP ranges have been deprecated"
[18:10] <roaksoax_> gimmic: upgrade should work just fine, although there may be corner cases we have not tested which is always a reason to back things up
[18:10] <roaksoax_> gimmic: but you can give it a try first to see the differences
[18:10] <gimmic> that kind of bothers me, as part of our ipam strategy for a cluster is static allocation/pairing of drac and networking ips
[18:12] <roaksoax_> gimmic: 2.x has improved networking significantly
[18:12] <roaksoax_> gimmic: say you had <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[18:12] <roaksoax_> .10 - .100 was static range
[18:12] <roaksoax_> 101 - 200 dynamic range
[18:12] <gimmic> But we can't tie a node to an IP set with either a static or 'sticky' dhcp lease?
[18:13] <roaksoax_> .201 - .254 free
[18:14] <roaksoax_> in 2.x, that would be-> .10 - .100 "free-> MAAS would use it as it uses the static range", .101 -.200 will remain as "dynamic", "201 -.254" -> will become "reserved, so that maas does't hand out IP's on that" # this is for upgrades though
[18:14] <roaksoax_> gimmic: you can
[18:14] <roaksoax_> gimmic: you can let maas auto-assign
[18:14] <roaksoax_> or you can request specific ip for a machine
[18:15] <roaksoax_> gimmic: i'd recommend you try maas 2.2 (this is the latest)
[18:15] <roaksoax_> gimmic: because it is quite different from what 1.x was
[19:03] <mup> Bug # opened: 1701052, 1701054, 1701055, 1701056, 1701057
[21:38] <Nog__> nogggggggggggggggggggg
[21:38] <Nog__> oops  i just sharted


[11:44] <cukkimo> Hello!
[11:45] <cukkimo> I've ran into some problems with my pandaboard when running ubuntu-arm 12.04. Random green pixel "noise" in the screen as well with vertical lines and monitor going out of range when under graphical load
[11:47] <cukkimo> Jockey cant install proprietary drivers
[11:48] <cukkimo> I've done dist-upgrade with tiomap/release repo and ubuntu arm repos, yet still the problem persists
[12:11] <cukkimo_> Anyone?
[12:13] <Tassadar> nah, just 150 people idling)
[12:21] <cukkimo_> As I did kinda suspect that...  :D
[12:21] <cukkimo_> WARNING: /sys/module/omapdrm_pvr/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind omapdrm_pvr driver
[12:22] <cukkimo_> Might this be the problem, it's from the jockey.log
[13:56] <cukkimo> What version of ubuntu is more likely to run perfectly on pandaboard? Im thinkin of installin ubuntu-core 12.10 as it could be more advanced for ARM devices since the new launch. Am I even remotely on the right path?
[19:37] <mjrosenb> well, this is strange.  I'm looking at the directions for building a raspberry pi cross compiler
[19:37] <mjrosenb> and I don't see it doing anything different from a normal cross compiler build.
[19:38] <SmallFry> why is tha strage?
[19:38] <SmallFry> it's just a cross compiler
[19:39] <mjrosenb> because the standard cross compiler doesn't work.
[19:39] <SmallFry> oh
[19:39] <SmallFry> herm
[19:39] <SmallFry> idk then, sorry
[19:39] <mjrosenb> namely, it seems to insert snippets of thumb2 code
[19:39] <mjrosenb> when in fact that doesn't exist
[19:40] <armin76> mjrosenb: on ubuntu the default configuration options for gcc enable thumb2 code, iirc
[19:41] <mjrosenb> armin76: iirc, I built with -march=armv6
[19:41] <mjrosenb> I don't think I added -marm
[19:44] <suihkulokki> mjrosenb: the compiler will include bits from libgcc et all, which have thumb2/armv7 cide
[19:44] <suihkulokki> cide..code
[20:00] <mjrosenb> suihkulokki: right, so how does building an arm compiler with crosstool-ng and not putting anything armv6 specific in it prevent this from happening?
[20:00] <mjrosenb> oh, or does it default to something ancient like armv4t


[06:00] <rozzin> Has Launchpad always required creation of an account before reporting bugs?
[06:02] <hyperair> yes.
[06:03] <rozzin> Hm.
[06:04] <rozzin> I could have sworn that I'd reported an Ubuntu bug without explicitly creating an account beforehand, back in 2008.
[06:04] <rozzin> Though, it wouldn't be the first time I'd just forgotten something.
[06:04] <hyperair> i created my launchpad account in 2006 when i first reported a bug iirc
[06:05] <hyperair> or maybe it was 2007
[06:05] <hyperair> 2007 it was.
[06:05] <rozzin> I do have some trouble convincing myself that I would have chosen the username I ended up with :)
[06:06] <hyperair> heh
[06:07] <wgrant> rozzin: Default usernames are generated from the email address you registered with.
[06:07] <wgrant> You can change your username later.
[06:07] <rozzin> Oh, but I guess you don't actually choose those, do you.
[06:07] <rozzin> I see.
[06:08] <rozzin> well, I guess it all fits together into a convincing story, then :)
[06:09] <rozzin> Thanks.
[06:57] <d1b> hi ah how much memory does one need 2 actually do a bzr branch of the stable launchpad repo?
[07:08] <lifeless> d1b: I'm not sure of the peak rss, but I'd say you want 500MB or maybe alittle more (especially if you are on 64bit)
[07:08] <d1b> lifeless: seems like a lot
[07:09] <lifeless> jam is working on reducing it
[07:09] <d1b> i couldn't find a git mirror :/
[07:09] <lifeless> but the repo has copies of debs and all sorts of stuff in its history
[07:10] <lifeless> and I dunno, 250K commits or something ?
[07:10] <d1b> ok doing a --lightweight this is silly
[07:12] <d1b> there isn't some tar ball / http download ...
[09:03] <maxb> d1b: I think a --lightweight may be sillier in the long run if yoou want to work with the project at all
[09:03] <maxb> d1b: Also, are you using the http or bzr+ssh protocol?
[09:09] <d1b> maxb: i just did a branch --lightweight
[09:10] <d1b> i don't care about re-syncing atm
[09:10] <d1b> just wanted to have a look through and a grep
[11:34] <yofel> hi, quite a few recipe builds are failing here with
[11:34] <yofel> dpkg-deb: error: control directory has bad permissions 700 (must be >=0755 and <=0775)
[11:35] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2438371 for example
[11:35] <yofel> the debian folder is created by the nest command in the recipe, so that shouldn't be our fault, and it doesn't happen in all builds
[11:35] <maxb> lamont / wgrant : Is that that umask thing you referred to previously?
[11:44] <yofel> another error I'm getting is from https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2437677
[11:44] <yofel> bzr: ERROR: No previous changelog to take the package name from, and --package not specified: debian/changelog didn't contain any parseable stanzas.
[11:44] <yofel> the changelog seems completely fine to me though, and VIM doesn't show any syntax error either http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/kiten-ubuntu/view/head:/changelog
[11:44] <yofel> and kiten failed to build every time so far with the same error
[11:48] <wgrant> maxb: Yes, thanks for the poke.
[11:49] <wgrant> yofel: Do you have links to other builds failing with permission errors?
[11:50] <yofel> probably, let me check the mails I got
[11:50] <wgrant> As for the changelog thing, I don't think the changelog is formatted properly.
[11:51] <wgrant> Let me find
[11:51] <wgrant> it.
[11:51] <wgrant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/kiten-ubuntu/view/head:/changelog has only one space between the email address and date.
[11:51] <wgrant> That could possibly be it.
[11:52] <yofel> aaah, someone should fix vims syntax highlighting I guess...
[11:52] <yofel> thanks
[11:52] <yofel> found one https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2437179
[11:53] <wgrant> Maybe it's just that one builder.
[11:53] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2437619
[11:53] <yofel> seems so
[11:53] <wgrant> I've set it to manual.
[11:53] <wgrant> lamont: I think thallium's lp-buildd needs upgrading.
[11:53] <yofel> thallium again https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2437633
[11:54] <yofel> and 5 more failures, all on thallium
[11:54] <wgrant> If you see any non-thalliums, poke me and I'll kill them too.
[11:54] <yofel> sure
[13:28] <maxb> Gah
[13:29]  * maxb discovers yet another separate page on the lp wikis about reviewing code imports
[15:40] <rozzin> Hm.
[15:41] <rozzin> Isn't there some concern that requiring a launchpad account for bug-reporting actaully prevents some people from filing bugs?
[15:53]  * exarkun isn't concerned about that
[15:53] <exarkun> if you're concerned about it, then I guess there is some concern
[15:56] <rozzin> Well, yes--I'm concerned :)
[15:57] <ScottK> Personally, I'd rather make it harder.  We get more than enough useless bugs that don't help improve things.  They are a distraction from getting done what needs doing.
[15:57] <exarkun> I guess that's settled, then.
[16:02] <rozzin> ScottK: I don't have that problem, so far.
[16:03] <ScottK> Ubuntu certainly does as a whole.
[16:03] <rozzin> ScottK: If you do, congratulations may be in order :)
[16:03] <ScottK> Ubuntu is a very big project.
[16:03] <rozzin> ScottK: Yeah, I can see that for Ubuntu.
[16:04] <ScottK> I do maintain some small projects on LP and I seem to get bug reports OK.
[16:04] <exarkun> Indeed
[16:05] <exarkun> I don't have any projects on Launchpad which gets fewer bug reports than I am actually able to deal with
[16:05] <rozzin> A coworker of mine raised the issue to me in regards to SourceForge, after they had their compromise and reset all of the passwords;
[16:06] <rozzin> He said, "Well, I guess I'm done filing bug-reports for projects on SourceForge."
[16:08] <exarkun> You can't make everyone happy.
[16:08] <doctormo> I'm having trouble uploading to my ppa, it tells me that my changes file isn't signed. Even though using debuild -S I've never had a problem before.
[16:10] <ScottK> doctormo: Check and see if the package actually got uploaded or not.  IIRC someone else had that last night and it turned out the warning was in error and the package was accepted.
[16:11] <doctormo> It's a fresh ppa: https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/greeter
[16:11] <doctormo> I tried maybe an hour ago, so nothing so far.
[16:11] <rozzin> Then there's my user who decided that he'd rather just `file bugs' on IRC :\
[16:13] <doctormo> ScottK: Ah turns out I mistyped and did "ppa:~doctormo/greeter" with the extra ~, works now.
[16:13] <doctormo> Although the error was erroneous.
[16:17] <JanC> rozzin: I know projects that have a bug-reporting IRC bot...  ;)
[16:19] <JanC> IIRC that was a supybot plugin that inserted bugs into a trac bug tracker
[16:20] <JanC> (but it also required an authenticated user I suppose)
[16:22] <doctormo> JanC: You need my issue tracker, it's a mediated design between issues and bugs.
[17:16] <rozzin> If I wanted to `raise the bar and keep the stupids out' of my project, I'd be using git.
[17:21] <rozzin> Yow--yeah, this is basically the exact opposite of what I want: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bug-tracking.ditz.general/16
[17:24] <d1b> rozzin: wait what?
[17:29] <rozzin> d1b: "One of the big advantages of ditz is that it raises the bar for feature requests by requiring you to check out a repository and commit code."
[17:30] <d1b> rozzin: ok....
[17:31] <rozzin> "If you're not a developer comfortable with the VC system, I'm not interested in anything you have to say" is basically the opposite of what I want.
[17:32] <d1b> oh ok
[17:32] <rozzin> I'm going to tell myself that he's joking, so as to keep that from ruining my day.
[17:32] <rozzin> I'm not sure that he is, though.
[17:33] <d1b> why not let people email in patches
[17:33] <rozzin> er, "... is basically the opposite of what I want to tell my users."
[17:33] <d1b> if they dislike ur vc ssytem
[17:34] <rozzin> It's not a question of whether they dislike the VC system,
[17:36] <d1b> s/dislike/failsatvcs/
[17:36] <rozzin> because that's a second-tier barrier where an end user should never even have to deal with the first-tier one ;)
[17:37] <rozzin> Plenty of useful input comes with people who don't even have "preparing a patch" (or "writing code"!) as part of their skillset;
[17:38] <rozzin> e.g., because they spent their time working on a different skillset--like English grammer, or translation, or UI design, or whatever.
[17:39] <rozzin> Er, "English *grammar*"--see what I mean? :)
[17:39] <d1b> ha!
[17:39] <d1b> ./sleep &
[17:41] <rozzin> There was an interesting presentation I came across, actually,
[17:41] <rozzin> where the first 2 slides were something like:
[17:42] <rozzin> "Bazaar is version-control system for rocket scientists"
[17:42] <rozzin> "because rocket scientists have better things to think about than version control."
[17:46] <rozzin> JanC: Do people use bug-bots w/ Launchpad?
[17:48] <rozzin> JanC: It sounds like something that'd basically be circumventing site policy....
[17:59] <JanC> rozzin: I have seen no bots that can report bugs on LP
[21:22] <micahg> I seem to be having trouble uploading
[21:24] <micahg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/592321/
[21:29] <lifeless> micahg: what host
[21:29] <lifeless> micahg: actually, please file a bug
[21:30] <micahg> lifeless: ugh, it seems it was accepted already, but I'm getting this message, I think this is an old bug actually
[21:38] <syn-ack> Quick question.... you guys pushing an update or something to bugs.launchpad right now? I'm getting some weirdness here and I'd like to report it if you're not
[21:39] <lifeless> whats up
[21:39] <syn-ack> I'm getting all sorts of Time out errors
[21:39] <syn-ack> either trying to bring the homepage up or while searching for a project
[21:40] <syn-ack> heres the Error ID: OOPS-1926O1054
[21:43] <lifeless> homepage came up instantly for me
[21:43] <lifeless> whats the search url you had trouble on?
[21:43] <syn-ack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and searching for Ubuntu in general
[21:44] <lifeless> whats the *exact* url you had trouble on
[21:44] <syn-ack> I just told you the exact URL I had trouble on
[21:44] <syn-ack> seriously.
[21:45] <syn-ack> And now this one
[21:45] <syn-ack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=Ubuntu&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[21:45] <lifeless> thats better, let me have a look see
[21:45] <lifeless> I'm syncing the error reports to see whats up with the one you quoted
[21:45] <syn-ack> lifeless, I wasn't trying to be difficult here. Sorry if it came off like that
[21:45] <lifeless> that takes about 10 minutes
[21:46] <lifeless> no worries
[21:46] <lifeless> so, the main sql query is timing out
[21:48] <lifeless> its a 7 secound count, sadly
[21:48] <lifeless> we'll get a detailed report later
[21:49] <lifeless> for now, you're probably best of clicking 'one project' putting 'ubuntu' in there, and then clicking search
[21:49] <syn-ack> k
[21:49] <lifeless> that isn't quite the same thing
[21:49] <lifeless> what I describe is 'all ubuntu bugs'
[21:49] <lifeless> what you searched for was 'all bugs with the word ubuntu in them'
[21:50] <syn-ack> ah
[21:51] <syn-ack> Just got a time out there too
[21:51] <syn-ack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=project&field.scope.target=ubuntu
[21:51] <syn-ack> Error ID: OOPS-1926U1117
[21:52] <lifeless> we may have bloated indices again
[21:52] <lifeless> will get our dba to look at this when hes around later today
[21:53] <syn-ack> Good deal
[21:53] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[21:53] <lifeless> works for me
[21:53] <syn-ack> do you guys cluster your DBs and this particular one that I'm hitting is fouled or what?:
[21:54] <lifeless> we have 3 db servers running LP
[21:54] <syn-ack> ah, yeah
[21:54] <lifeless> but the bug query logic is only partly optimised
[21:54] <lifeless> we're working on it
[21:54] <lifeless> its down from 17-18 seconds per page
[21:54] <syn-ack> ah
[21:54] <lifeless> 6 months ago
[21:54] <lifeless> still got a ways to go
[21:55] <lifeless> its pretty complex
[21:55] <lifeless> and ubuntu has 100000 open bugs
[21:55] <lifeless> which makes many indices a bit useless
[21:57] <syn-ack> yeah
[21:58] <lifeless> we also do this thing where we count all results
[21:58] <lifeless> rather than saying 'lots'
[21:58] <lifeless> so the actual search you have can return a single page pretty quickly
[21:58] <lifeless> but we calculate every possible row so show the count in the UI
[21:58] <syn-ack> Right
[21:59] <syn-ack> So I can understand the timeout then
[21:59] <lifeless> thats also something we're going to change :)
[22:10] <luks_> hi -- https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes mentions that I can use "nest-part" in recipes, but when trying to do so I get this error "Error parsing recipe:3:1: Expecting 'merge', 'nest' or 'run', got 'nest-part'."
[22:10] <luks_> is there a way to use the "nest-part" command?
[22:13] <lifeless> sounds like we have an old bzr-builder library
[22:13] <lifeless> file a bug ?
[22:20] <luks_> ok, I wasn't sure if I'm just not missing something, thanks
[23:49] <poolie> maxb, i like your api breaks wiki page
[23:50] <poolie> though it's a shame it has to exist, of course


[00:24] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[00:25] <Crisco> yo
[00:27] <Muscovy> I think the tour ought to have the title of "Page Name - Ubuntu Tour" instead of Chapter Name.
[00:27] <Omega> Hey Muscovy
[00:27] <Muscovy> Hey Omega. :D
[00:28] <Omega> I'm sick ):
[00:28] <Muscovy> I just got over a cough myself. :|
[06:33] <Silasle>  /msg NickServ identify xw9md99
[12:04] <webrsk> Hi ... Where can i check out the work-in-progress list of chapters and pages for Ubuntu-tour?
[12:06] <webrsk> Like to contribute in ubuntu-tour. So the todo list or the Quick start of existing work will be helpful..
[12:14] <webrsk> Found it . Thanks :)
[14:34] <webrsk> Hi All..  To edit the content of any specific chapter , do we need to manually modify it ?
[19:01] <dtigue> i just noticed a typo in the wireless tour
[19:01] <dtigue> If you network you are trying to connect to is not in this list there are 3 possibilities:
[19:01] <dtigue> should be
[19:01] <dtigue> If your network you are trying to connect to is not in this list there are 3 possibilities:
[19:06] <Omega> dtigue: push a patch :)
[19:51] <dtigue> Omega, heh this is my first time helping with a project....not exactly sure how to 'push a patch'
[19:52] <Omega> do you have bzr?
[19:53] <Omega> http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/
[19:53] <Omega> it's easy!
[19:54] <dtigue> yea i got bzr setup and running....and technically i know you to push it.....what i dont know is how to patch it
[19:55] <Omega> edit the file
[19:55] <Omega> then run
[19:56] <Omega> "bzr add"
[19:56] <Omega> then
[19:56] <Omega> 'bzr commit -m "fixed a type in blabla"'
[19:56] <Omega> then
[19:56] <Omega> "bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour"
[19:56] <Omega> done!
[19:57] <Omega> rememebr to "bzr
[19:57] <Omega> rememebr to "bzr pull" before
[19:58] <dtigue> bzr pull before what?
[19:59] <Omega> before you commit
[19:59] <Omega> so you use updated files
[20:00] <dtigue> ahh
[20:00] <dtigue> ok so i just looked into it more and i see that the individual files are actually html files....that will be pretty easy for me then
[20:05] <dtigue> ok Omega i pushed it......how can i check to see if it worked>
[20:05] <dtigue> ?
[20:06] <Omega> It worked
[20:06] <dtigue> yea sweet....i can just pull and get the new revision right?>
[20:09] <Omega> yeah, but you already have the latest revision
[20:13] <dtigue> Omega, yea what im talking about is after i push a fix then i can pull the new revision and see if my fix went through
[20:16] <Omega> it is already on your computer, so it will not appear as a new revision
[20:21] <dtigue> oh yea i guess so...
[20:26] <dtigue> Omega, so can i make any changes i want and then push it....someone will review it and decide whether to keep it for not?
[20:29] <Omega> It is included automatically
[20:29] <Omega> if we don't like it we'll roll it back
[20:34] <dtigue> ok nice....i added the instructions to connect on login to a wireless network
[23:37] <Muscovy> 100+ edits to lp:ubuntu-tour. :D


[00:48] <bkerensa> slangasek: ok
[00:48] <bkerensa> slangasek: also I don't see it uploaded yet oddly
[00:48] <slangasek> bkerensa: ubuntu-docs |      13.10 |         saucy | source, all
[00:49] <bkerensa> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/ubuntu-docs/saucy
[00:49] <bkerensa> does not show the translations updates for some reason
[00:49] <bkerensa> =/
[00:50] <bkerensa> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/saucy
[00:50] <bkerensa> 275 was the final revision
[00:50] <bkerensa> which included the updated translations
[00:50] <slangasek> bkerensa: that revision was not uploadable, as I mentioned above
[00:50] <bkerensa> oh
[00:50] <bkerensa> fuck
[00:50] <bkerensa> ok
[00:50] <slangasek> care to fix up debian/changelog to something sane, and I'll reupload? :)
[00:50] <bkerensa> yeah
[00:51] <bkerensa> slangasek: sorry I have been neck deep in mozilla land here in California
[00:55] <bkerensa> slangasek: ok fixed in 277
[00:55] <bkerensa> pushed
[00:56] <bkerensa> at some point I need to learn how to revert a push with bzr instead of making the revision history look nuts
[01:29] <slangasek> bkerensa: ok, uploading


[15:30] <thanantonop> Hi 👋
[15:30] <thanantonop> Very nice work for the Lubuntu!!!
[15:31] <thanantonop> I would like to ask about the LTS support
[15:31] <thanantonop> How may years are?? If I use also the new backports PPA for the latest LXQT?