[18:56] <smallfoot-> endlessOS, Fedora, SUSE, etc all support Flatpak
[18:56] <smallfoot-> but Ubuntu 19.04 does not support Flatpak out of the box :(
[18:57] <smallfoot-> https://flatpak.org/setup/
[18:57] <OerHeks> and do 'they' support snap OOTB?
[18:57] <smallfoot-> I don't know
[18:57] <smallfoot-> but it seems Ubuntu support snap, and everyone else supports Flatpak
[18:58] <smallfoot-> but I wish Ubuntu had out-of-the-box support for both Snap and Flatpak
[18:58] <OerHeks> the flatpak app is in the repos, but support for that is in #flatpack
[18:58] <smallfoot-> yeah but you need to install the flatpak thing
[18:59] <smallfoot-> on other distributions its already supported OOTB
[18:59] <OerHeks> yeah, but understand the demand for support, while we have no influence on flatpak repos
[19:00] <OerHeks> if this feature will be implented, it will be together with appimage i guess
[19:04] <smallfoot-> its bad if users cant install the apps they want
[19:04] <smallfoot-> but its good that spotify is as snap on ubuntu store
[19:20] <smallfoot-> will Ubuntu+1 get the new Git 2.21 released yesterday?
[19:22] <OerHeks> i guess not. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git
[19:23] <OerHeks> such changes need to be tested, before release to main
[19:23] <smallfoot-> oh noes :(
[19:24] <tomreyn> !sru
[19:25] <tomreyn> you could request this if there's a reason to.
[20:17] <hggdh> I personally think that git2.1 may not arrive on Disco; *if* the changes (which I have not yet looked at) break back-compatibility, then perhaps they will be back-ported to LTS


[04:35] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:05] <LaserAway> hi sbalneav
[05:07] <sbalneav> Hey LaserAway
[05:19] <moquist> sbalneav: hiya
[05:20] <moquist> sbalneav: I'm trying to think of an even-trade sort of thing I can do to get you to shave off your mustache next time I see you. ;)
[05:21] <sbalneav> lol
[05:21] <moquist> sbalneav: for example, I could *wear* a mustache...not sure if that would pursuade you.
[05:22] <moquist> It might pursuade you that I should either shave or have a beard, but nothing in between, anyway. ;)
[05:22] <sbalneav> Hmmm beard.
[05:22] <sbalneav> greybeard
[05:22] <sbalneav> greybeard0
[05:23] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!!
[05:23] <moquist> Sorry, we don't have that beard here. We checked on the shelves and under the counter, and it simply isn't to be found.
[05:23] <sbalneav> LaserAway: Did you know who YOU missed out on seeing?
[05:23] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!!
[05:23] <moquist> LaserAway: I'll give you a hint...don't read the previous post from sbalneav...
[05:23] <moquist> heh; that timing works either way, I guess. :)
[05:25] <moquist> Ken seems like a really nice guy who would probably prefer to be mostly left alone, but who is so good-natured that he puts up with all the attention anyway.
[05:27] <sbalneav> That's why I mostly kept quiet,until the end when we got onto chess.
[05:27] <LaserJock> RichEd already spilled the beans to me
[05:28] <sbalneav> Wonder what it's like to be the ....errr.... Keith Richards of the computer world.
[05:28] <sbalneav> No
[05:28] <sbalneav> Umm
[05:28] <sbalneav> Little Richard
[05:28] <sbalneav> Ohh
[05:28] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:28] <sbalneav> Bill Haley
[05:29] <LaserJock> alas my boss was already mad enough at me for skipping 1 day
[05:30] <moquist> Jimmy Page and Paul McCartney come to mind; Elvis seems more appropriate and inappropriate at the same time.
[05:31] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:31] <sbalneav> Therefore, Elvis is perfect.
[05:31] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!! == Elvis
[05:31] <LaserJock> I hadn't even heard of him until RichEd mentioned him
[05:31] <LaserJock> quite cool to be that kind of guy
[05:32] <LaserJock> well, I've had a chance to play around with alacarte and edubuntu menus
[05:32] <sbalneav> KEN THOMPSON!!! sat down with DENNIS RICHIE!!! one day, and said, "Hmmm, what do I want my operating system to look like?..."
[05:33] <sbalneav> And because of their decisions, I DON'T have to administer Windows for a living :)
[05:33] <sbalneav> \o/
[05:34] <Amaranth> LaserJock: heh, even _I_ was there for dinner with KEN THOMPSON!!!1
[05:34] <Amaranth> :)
[05:35] <LaserJock> :(
[05:35] <LaserJock> well, you probably have more in common with him
[05:36] <LaserJock> I'm just a chemist with an Ubuntu addiction
[05:36] <Amaranth> I'm just a fanboy with commit access. ;)
[05:37] <moquist> Amaranth: ya where? who are you? (/who was not sufficiently informative)
[05:37] <sbalneav> In this channel, by popular assent, KEN THOMPSON!!!  I remember you now.
[05:39] <Amaranth> i don't remember you ;)
[05:40] <moquist> I'm currently the 6th and 8th hits when you search images.google.com for 'moquist'
[05:40] <Amaranth> oh, right
[05:40] <Amaranth> i just found a picture :P
[05:40] <Amaranth> didn't you talk about software freedom day on wednesday?
[05:41] <moquist> Oh, and #12.
[05:41] <moquist> Yep, I talk about SFD quite a bit. ;)
[05:41] <LaserJock> is it a specific day?
[05:42] <moquist> SFD will always be on the third Saturday in September.
[05:42] <moquist> softwarefreedomday.org
[05:44] <LaserJock> oh cool
[05:44] <moquist> LaserJock: sign up for the team-contacts email list and we'll let you know when things get rolling for'07
[05:44] <moquist> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/team-contacts
[05:44] <LaserJock> is there a reason for it being on the third Saturday in September? or should I just keep reading
[05:45] <moquist> not a bad idea to keep reading, but the basic idea is that we're coordinating a global effort to celebrate FOSS on (and/or near) one particular day to maximize general synergy, cooperation, impact, attention, press, general warm-fuzzies, etc.
[05:50] <LaserJock> it's kinda easy to remember as Chemistry Day is on October 23rd I think
[05:52] <Amaranth> LaserJock: mole day?
[05:52] <LaserJock> wahooo
[05:53] <LaserJock> we but on some activities here
[05:53] <LaserJock> s/but/put/
[05:53] <LaserJock> that week is National Chemistry week
[05:53] <LaserJock> we did some chemistry demonstrations at a high school and middle school
[07:42] <jbrefort> LaserJock, ping?
[07:50] <LaserJock> jbrefort: pong
[07:51] <jbrefort> I have hopefully fixed the toolbar visibility issue
[07:51] <LaserJock> awesome
[07:52] <jbrefort> next development series release within two weeks
[07:52] <LaserJock> ok, I'll have some color schemes by then
[07:53] <LaserJock> I just want to add some sort of labeling
[07:53] <LaserJock> via glade file
[07:54] <jbrefort> great
[07:56] <LaserJock> jbrefort: how will 0.8 come about?
[07:56] <LaserJock> is it when 0.7 is looking stable?
[07:56] <LaserJock> or is separate
[07:56] <jbrefort> don't know yet, I would like april or may 2007, but we need goffice-0.4.0
[07:57] <jbrefort> of course, 0.7 must be stable before and docs updated (or written)
[07:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm trying to figure out what version we can put in Ubuntu Feisty
[07:58] <LaserJock> we have goffice-0.3.0
[07:58] <jbrefort> yes, but that one is quite unstable
[07:59] <jbrefort> and I don't want to have a stable release depend on an unstable version of any library
[07:59] <jbrefort> it would be a problem for most distribs (except ubuntu, apparently)
[08:00] <jbrefort> note that this will also block abiword-2.6 release
[08:01] <LaserJock> jbrefort: yeah, unfortunately I'm not sure what to do with the situation
[08:02] <LaserJock> I had thought about creating a seperate goffice-0.2 package
[08:02] <jbrefort> branch for 0.8 before Feisty and publish a beta or rc release, somethingg as 0.7.9x
[08:02] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:02] <jbrefort> if it is beta, it can depend on 0.3.x imho
[08:04] <jbrefort> the plan might be 0.7.4 in november, 0.7.5 in february and the freeze and branch
[08:04] <jbrefort> so that 0.7.90 might be available in march
[08:05] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:05] <LaserJock> well, we'll try to get things as updated as we can in Debian
[08:05] <LaserJock> and then I'll try to work out the situation in Ubuntu
[08:06] <jbrefort> that's wise
[08:06] <LaserJock> Daniel emailed today about it and bodr
[08:06] <LaserJock> so I think we'll get some somewhere :-)
[08:09] <jbrefort> ok, we might also discuss on #gchemutils at irc.gimp.net (not a permanent channel, no bot)
[10:23] <stgraber> good morning
[10:46] <juliux> morging all
[02:33] <SimonAnibal> Anyone here know anything about upstart? When I install Edgy on one of my Dells here, it doesn't show the new upstart screen during boot. Is that normal?
[03:37] <cbx33> hi all
[03:37] <cbx33> howz it going in edubuntu and
[03:37] <stgraber> hi
[03:37] <cbx33> land
[03:39] <cbx33> ping ogra
[03:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:53] <SimonAnibal> howdy
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:47] <pygi> hey bddebian
[05:56] <cbx33> hey guys
[05:56] <pygi> hello cbx33
[05:56] <cbx33> hey pygi
[05:59] <cbx33> I've been ill and I'm a little out of the loop
[05:59] <cbx33> how are things in edubuntu land
[05:59] <cbx33> hey rodarvus
[06:00] <pygi> cbx33, good are things , my exams arent tho :P
[06:00] <rodarvus> hi there
[06:00] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[06:00] <cbx33> oh why what's up?
[06:00] <cbx33> howz it going rodarvus
[06:00] <cbx33> ping ogra
[06:01] <pygi> cbx33, I failed every single exam so far because I have to work on libburn, etc,, etc?:)
[06:02] <cbx33> whaaaa?
[06:02] <cbx33> dude that's crazy
[06:02] <cbx33> I know libburn is important to you but exams are way more important
[06:02] <pygi> cbx33, ah, well :P
[06:03] <pygi> cbx33, but libburn got multi session implementation :P
[07:05] <stgraber> hi
[07:05] <Daynah> hello!
[07:08] <Daynah> So uh I'm a college student and the tech students and I (a biology major who just likes linux) are going to try to refurbish some computers and distribute them to some poor schools and daycare centers with edubuntu, and the local homeless shelter with ubuntu
[07:08] <Daynah> ...it's icy slow in here
[07:08] <Daynah> has anyone tried such an endeavour? there are many charity places online, but they all look a bit shady.
[07:09] <LaserJock> hmmm
[07:09] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ^^
[07:10] <Burgwork> just a sec, phone
[07:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, hey dude
[07:57] <LaserJock> hi RichEd cbx33 etc.
[09:05] <nixternal> oy!
[09:06] <LaserJock> what?
[09:09] <nixternal> nothing
[09:09] <nixternal> jeesh, you can't even oy no more
[09:09] <nixternal> see what happens when dems get elected
[09:10] <nixternal> there goes the free speach
[09:10] <nixternal> speech too
[09:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: haha
[09:13] <nixternal> ;p
[09:13] <Burgwork> right
[09:13] <nixternal> shush
[09:13] <nixternal> we are learning
[09:13] <nixternal> nice DW post btw Burgwork
[09:14] <Burgwork> apparently I am famous
[09:14] <LaserJock> DW?
[09:14] <Burgwork> wonder if Ladislav realizes that the Corey Burger who wrote that is the same Corey Burger who just purchased advertising for Userful on DW
[09:14] <Burgwork> Distrowatch
[09:15] <nixternal> lol
[09:15] <LaserJock> haha
[09:15] <Burgwork> "Ubuntu's Corey Burger has also voiced his concerns."
[09:15] <Burgwork> linking to my "freedom vs. spiny cube" blog post
[09:24] <LaserJock> hmm, this Novell things seems to be getting most of the comments
[09:25] <LaserJock> it'd be much easier to write them off if they didn't contribute cool things to the Linux community
[09:25] <Burgwork> http://www.nuxified.org/blog/ubuntu_down_the_drain
[09:25] <Burgwork> We are getting pounded in the press
[09:25] <nixternal> Burgwork: and it is only starting
[09:26] <Burgwork> yep
[09:26] <Burgwork> the really sad part is that every other spec is really cool
[09:26] <Burgwork> it is a more a matter of communication and marketing
[09:26] <nixternal> but i will laugh at all of them though when by the grace of god we just happen to cause nvidia and ati to work on providing open source or free solutions though
[09:27] <Burgwork> you have read my blog entry. Shipping binary drivers is not going to help that goal
[09:27] <nixternal> it doesn't matte which linux distro i use, im always going binary with nvidia and ati
[09:27] <nixternal> otherwise tuxracer is horrid
[09:27] <Burgwork> and tuxracer is the most important decision in choosing a distro
[09:27] <Burgwork> :)
[09:27] <nixternal> hehe
[09:28] <nixternal> ya, it isn't in ubuntu
[09:28] <Burgwork> yes it is
[09:28] <Burgwork> ppcracer
[09:28] <Burgwork> ppracer, rather
[09:28] <nixternal> planetpenguin-racer
[09:30] <stgraber> but for my current use, it's not possible to decently use my desktop without it
[09:30] <stgraber> (even watching a video is horrible with the free driver on my laptop :) (ati x300 and 1280x800))
[09:31] <Burgwork> interesting
[09:31] <Burgwork> that should work
[09:32] <cbx33> yeh dragging a window was horrible on mine
[09:33] <Burgwork> hmm, that nuxified article links to my blog as well
[09:36] <nixternal> lol
[09:40] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you da man ;-)
[09:40] <LaserJock> tbh, I'm fairly conflicted over it
[09:40] <LaserJock> If they are going to do it I think they should at least give a choice
[09:41] <LaserJock> sometimes the binary drivers are not the best
[09:41] <Burgwork> binary drivers are bad, period
[09:41] <Burgwork> the correct place to offer this choice is under the display properties dialog
[09:41] <Burgwork> tell the user: 3D Rendering Enabled|Disabled
[09:42] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:42] <LaserJock> for sure it removes a whole lot of bargaining power
[09:43] <LaserJock> but if you've given up on opensource ATI or Nvidia drivers then it doesn't seem so bad
[09:43] <Burgwork> but ATI is literally about to open source some of their stuff
[09:43] <Burgwork> and nouveau is coming along
[09:44] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:44] <LaserJock> I am surprised by it
[09:44] <LaserJock> considering the people who were discussing it
[09:45] <Burgwork> everybody was against binary drivers except mark and the beryl people, apparently
[09:45] <Burgwork> including mdz and mjg59
[09:45] <LaserJock> :(
[09:45] <LaserJock> I had other sessions to go to so I wasn't in on it


[00:30] <madjo> Bonsoir à tous !
[00:31] <madjo> j'ai un gros soucis, qui devrait pouvoir être résolu facilement je penses
[00:31] <Unit193> !fr
[00:32] <madjo> sorry
[00:32] <fantasai_> Hi! I just installed xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso, and it seems to have booted me into Ubuntu. How do I boot into XFCE? Or use .xsession?
[00:32] <bekks> fantasai_: Did you install Ubuntu before?
[00:32] <fantasai_> yes
[00:32] <fantasai_> this should have been a clean install on a blank partition
[00:33]  * fantasai_ formatted the partition
[00:33] <bekks> Then you dont need to install Xubuntu, all you'd need is installing the package xubuntu-desktop
[00:33] <Unit193> Installing the task is better than package, so apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^
[00:33] <fantasai_> bekks: will that change the login manager so I can get to non-Ubuntu desktops?
[00:34]  * fantasai_ doesn't actually use XFCE, but uses most of its utilities
[00:34] <Unit193> fantasai_: Both use lightdm, one uses lightdm-gtk-greeter but both work.  The important part is selecting the Xubuntu session.
[00:34] <bekks> fantasai_: It will not change the login manager but provide you the ability to choose which desktop environment you want to use.
[00:34] <fantasai_> okay, that's fine, as long as I can choose XFCE or .xsession :)
[00:35]  * fantasai_ punches in the install instruction
[00:35] <fantasai_> Seems a bit confusing that the Xubuntu download comes without Xubuntu, no?
[00:35] <fantasai_> There wasn't even a warning "Type this thing after you're done installing!!!!"
[00:35] <bekks> Which warning?
[00:36] <fantasai_> well, if I was downloading "xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso", I'd expect it to install Xubuntu, right?
[00:36] <bekks> You booted into you Ubuntu ;)
[00:36] <fantasai_> no, none of the packages were installed... it's got 300+MB to download
[00:37] <fantasai_> so it had no choice but to boot into Ubuntu! That was the only option installed.
[00:37] <bekks> Which proves that you booted into your Ubuntu, not into your Xubuntu.
[00:37] <Unit193> xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso has Xubuntu, Xfce, and not Unity nor GNOME...
[00:37] <bekks> And the grub menu is hidden by default.
[00:37] <Unit193> Right.
[00:37] <fantasai_> Then I have no idea what happened.
[00:37] <bekks> fantasai_: You booted into øur Ubuntu. :)
[00:37] <xubuntu09w> I just bought a Dell Poweredge 1950 running Xubuntu and I can only access the guest account.  Is there any way that I can reset the server to wipe out the user passwords
[00:37] <fantasai_> bekks: but where did I get Ubuntu?
[00:37] <fantasai_> bekks: I installed off of xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:38] <Unit193> xubuntu09w: I'd recommend a reinstall, but...
[00:38] <bekks> fantasai_: You said you installed Ubuntu before.
[00:38] <Unit193> !pwreset
[00:38] <xubuntu09w> I dont have the reinstall discs
[00:38] <fantasai_> bekks: Yes. Before. And then I told the installer to format the partition and install Xubuntu.
[00:38] <bekks> xubuntu09w: you need a live cd.
[00:39] <xubuntu09w> I dont even know exactly what version I am running
[00:39] <fantasai_> bekks: or whatever was on the LiveCD. It was an Ubuntu liveCD, afaict while running it
[00:39] <fantasai_> bekks: but I downloaded it off Xubuntu's website...
[00:39] <bekks> fantasai_: If it was an Ubuntu livecd, it will not install Xubuntu.
[00:39] <fantasai_> bekks: Okay, then where am I supposed to get the Xubuntu liveCD?
[00:40] <madjo> hey guys, i will try to explain my problem in my best english, i had selected the 'save session when logout' with the command : xfce4-settings-manager i did that because i was trying to launch compiz automaticly on startup witout doing compiz --replace, but now, i have NOTHING ! just my wallpaper, no right click menu, no icons, no desk bar nothing... i came here with irssi in the console, i need the terminal command to dis
[00:40] <bekks> fantasai_: All you need to do is installing the xubuntu-desktop package which you already did.
[00:40] <fantasai_> Yeah, yeah. My problem is fixed. What about other people who try to download the Xubuntu LTS?
[00:40] <bekks> fantasai_: Xubuntu isnt LTS, technically.
[00:41] <fantasai_> Not all of them know that it's really an Ubuntu LTS image
[00:41] <bekks> fantasai_: Only the core packages are.
[00:41] <fantasai_> and that you have to find a terminal to apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on startup
[00:41] <bekks> fantasai_: And The Ubuntu ISO isnt the Xubuntu ISO.
[00:41] <fantasai_> I downloaded xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:41] <fantasai_> If that's not the Xubuntu ISO, what is?
[00:41] <bekks> fantasai_: It isnt an ISO error, you just installed Ubuntu, NOT Xubuntu.
[00:42] <Unit193> fantasai_: What link did you use?
[00:42] <bekks> You downloaded the xubuntu iso, but you used the Ubuntu Livecd for installing.
[00:42] <Unit193> bekks: And, Xubuntu has 3 year LTS, but still LTS.
[00:42] <brainwash> madjo: use "rm -r ~/.cache/sessions" to clear the current session cache
[00:42] <bekks> Unit193: Oh, does it? TIL.
[00:43]  * fantasai_ tries to dig that up
[00:43] <Unit193> `ubuntu-support-status` can be a helpful command.
[00:45] <madjo2> sorry, i accidently quit the terminal can you repeat the command to clear the session cache please ?
[00:45] <fantasai_> The file was called xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso, but I can't find the original URL in Transmission ...
[00:45]  * fantasai_ tries to dig it out of browser history
[00:46] <Unit193> !magnets
[00:46] <bekks> fantasai_: Which doesnt help you in choosing the right medium when booting ;)
[00:46] <fantasai_> ?
[00:47] <bekks> fantasai_: You downloaded the xubuntu iso, but you used the Ubuntu Livecd for installing.
[00:47] <fantasai_> How's that possible?
[00:47] <bekks> By inserting the wrong cd into the drive, for booting.
[00:47] <fantasai_> I don't have an Ubuntu CD
[00:47] <fantasai_> I have a USB stick I just bought
[00:47] <fantasai_> that was completely empty
[00:47] <fantasai_> that I installed the image onto
[00:47] <fantasai_> the last time I installed Ubuntu was several years ago
[00:47] <fantasai_> and I lost that USB
[00:47] <madjo2> can you repeat the command to clear the session cache please ?
[00:47] <bekks> How did you install the image onto it?
[00:48] <fantasai_> usb-creator-gtk
[00:48] <bekks> 0205 014239 < brainwash> madjo: use "rm -r ~/.cache/sessions" to clear the current session cache
[00:48] <madjo2> thanks you vm
[00:48] <Unit193> fantasai_: ...Did it take long enough for that to download an ISO?
[00:48] <fantasai_> yeah
[00:49] <bekks> fantasai_: Then you created an Ubuntu USB bootable. :)
[00:49] <Unit193> \o/
[00:49] <fantasai_> from a file called xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[00:49] <bekks> Hooray, correct download, wrong install medium.
[00:50]  * fantasai_ doesn't understand your logic here
[00:50] <knome> fantasai_, usb-creator-gtk downloaded an ISO for you
[00:50] <knome> fantasai_, you need to explicitly tell it to use the ISO you downloaded
[00:51] <fantasai_> I did that
[00:51] <fantasai_> at least, I thought I did
[00:52] <fantasai_> oh, you were asking me how long it took to make the uSB, not how long it took to download the file?
[00:52]  * fantasai_ doesn't remember, both things took awhile
[00:52] <knome> yes
[00:53] <madjo3> ok excuse-me again, i cant move nor quit a terminal, so i cant disconnect my self from irssi everytimes i open a new terminal, thats why im 3 times in the channel :S    i can't clear the cache, the terminal tell me there is no such file or directory, maybe is there a command to restart xfce4 ? like the compiz --replace but with xfce ?
[00:54] <knome> madjo3, you can run "xfwm4 --replace" to make sure the xfce desktop is running
[00:55] <madjo3> ok (if i do this i will have to reconnect again as madjo4) so please dont ban me :/   i will try and come back..
[00:57] <madjo2> okay now i can move the windows
[00:58] <madjo2> but i still have no desk bar...
[00:58] <madjo2> (xfwm4:4611): Gtk-WARNING **: Impossible de trouver le moteur de thème dans module_path : « hcengine »
[00:58] <madjo2> Waiting for current window manager (Compiz) on screen :0.0 to exit: Done
[00:58] <madjo2> (xfwm4:4611): xfwm4-WARNING **: Unmanaged net_wm_state (window 0x3601fd2, atom "_NET_WM_STATE_FOCUSED")
[00:59] <madjo2> (xfwm4:4611): xfwm4-WARNING **: Bottom strut value for application window 0xe00004 confined to 768
[00:59] <knome> !pastebin | madjo3
[00:59] <knome> madjo2, ^
[00:59] <madjo2> i have no interface, i cant send any screenshots unfortunatly...
[00:59] <knome> that was referring to multi-line text pastes
[01:00] <knome> maybe you want to run xfce4-panel
[01:00] <madjo2> now that i can move windows and copy/paste, maybe i will be able to do something like that yes..
[03:20] <xubuntu29w> hello? hola?
[03:21] <holstein> xubuntu29w: welcome
[03:22] <xubuntu29w> thanks! I need a littlehelp
[03:24] <holstein> xubuntu29w: sure.. just ask.. a volunteer may volunteer assistance
[03:27] <ObrienDave> xubuntu29w, we can't help you if you don't state what the issue is
[03:28]  * ObrienDave closes eyes and nods off to sleep
[03:31] <xubuntu29w> first sorry for my bad english
[03:31] <holstein> !es
[03:32] <xubuntu29w> I will send a link with a image
[03:32] <xubuntu29w> of my desktop
[03:32] <xubuntu29w> http://www.zimagez.com/full/6cf72e8c9378b261817defaa1cf6b754476ae49071862dae6924c0fb25bf0a9d3a3d9f5b422a14a717c7deffc1030d0eda55113fdd541408.php
[03:33] <xubuntu29w> lookto the icons of the right on top
[03:38] <ObrienDave> please use a different image service like imgur.com
[03:38] <holstein> well, i see the image
[03:38] <holstein> xubuntu29w: i see the image, and the icons.. whats up?
[03:38] <holstein> xubuntu29w: have you customized your icons? and dont like them?
[03:40] <xubuntu29w> icons now have a white square around
[03:40] <holstein> sure.. is that unwanted?
[03:40] <holstein> where did you get them?
[03:40] <knome> xubuntu29w, which GTK theme do you use?
[03:41] <knome> xubuntu29w, do you use a PPA or any version that is not in the repositories?
[03:41] <holstein> maybe one of the drop in .deb deals.. its not familiar, visually, to me
[03:41] <knome> xubuntu29w, and have you restarted after this happened?
[03:42] <xubuntu29w> faba mono iconset
[03:42] <xubuntu29w> yes
[03:43] <knome> so which gtk theme are you using, under appearance?
[03:43] <xubuntu29w> greybird
[03:43] <xubuntu29w> xD
[03:43] <knome> is it the one from the repository?
[03:43] <xubuntu29w> yes the default one
[03:44] <knome> and which xubuntu version do you use?
[03:46] <xubuntu29w> 14.04 lts
[03:49] <knome> xubuntu29w, theoretically i should have the same bug, but don't...
[03:49] <xubuntu29w> today it work fine
[03:50] <xubuntu29w> the I run the Apt-get update
[03:50] <xubuntu29w> and
[03:50] <xubuntu29w> apt-get upgrad
[03:50] <xubuntu29w> and this appeared
[03:51] <holstein> xubuntu29w: you have re-applied the theme?
[03:51] <xubuntu29w> yes
[03:51] <xubuntu29w> this bug
[03:51] <xubuntu29w> appears in every theme
[04:56] <xubuntu09w> Can anyone recommend the best way for me to learn how to use Ubuntu, I just got a server with Ubutu on it
[04:57] <cfhowlett> xubuntu09w, download issue #0 of www.fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads.    Read.  Get issue #01.  Read.  Repeat >>> issue #93
[05:04] <xubuntu09w> Thank you cfhowlett, this is like me trying to read Chinese Hahaha
[05:05] <Unit193> There's the Xubuntu docs, and should be a crash course somewhere.
[05:05] <xubuntu09w> how do I run exe files on Ubuntu, I am trying to install a virus protection
[05:06] <cfhowlett> xubuntu09w, there's a Server collection: http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issueSE01_en.pdf
[05:06] <cfhowlett> !virus | xubuntu09w
[05:06] <xubuntu09w> oh ok, I didnt know that
[05:06] <xubuntu09w> I have always been a windows person
[05:06] <cfhowlett> xubuntu09w, you're installing windows virus protection on ubuntu?  ummm, no, that ain't right...
[05:07] <xubuntu09w> no, it's the Linux/Umbutu version of NOD32 by Eset
[05:07] <cfhowlett> xubuntu09w, the LINUX version is NOT .exe ...
[05:09] <xubuntu09w> oh I see what it was trying to do, eset wanted to install THEIR downloader
[05:49] <vista-> hey, anyone here also encountered trouble with laptop lid behavior acting weird?
[05:51] <vista-> I already did the config change for systemd so that xfce's power manager handles lid behavior
[05:52] <vista-> but I am still having trouble with it
[05:52] <vista-> what I want it to do: lock the session and turn of screen if on AC and suspend & lock when on battery
[05:53] <vista-> the battery part works, the AC one gives me the headaches
[05:53] <vista-> if I set the power manager to lock, but not suspend, it suspends & locks
[05:54] <vista-> it also suspends if I manually lock the session and then close the lid
[08:18] <brainwash> vista-: you could try another screen locker and see if it helps
[12:28] <xubuntu68w> I am using Xubuntu 14.04 on a netbook with an external keyboard. After a session pause, login fails using the external keyboard, works using the built in one. Apparently the login module does not provide the right keyboard layout. Does someone have a clue?
[12:30] <xubuntu68w> P.S. that happens only on the login after a pause. The initial login works perfectly.
[12:41] <GeekDude> I've put Xubuntu onto a family computer.
[12:45] <knome> that always requires the root access, which the viruses will have hard time getting unless you use your computer in a non-safe way (eg. type the sudo password without thinking what the system needs it for)
[12:45] <knome> attacks via bugs in software are the worst threat, but an antivirus software isn't really useful for that
[12:46] <knome> keeping your software up-to-date is the best thing to do against that.
[12:46] <GeekDude> You don't have to be root to install spyware extensions on browsers
[12:46] <xubuntu68w> LINUX infections are a reality in the server world...
[12:47] <knome> GeekDude, no, but they need user approval; if the user behaves in a non-safe way, there's no way the system can fix that.
[12:47] <xubuntu68w> On the desktop one doesn't really need to be paranoid. Not YET.
[12:48] <knome> xubuntu68w, same thing with servers; if the software is up to date, you're safe
[12:49] <GeekDude> I don't pirate, but isn't "With pirated programs you can never be sure of what extra stuff has been added and may often end up getting malware or viruses." a bit misleading with the wonderful world of checksums?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> GeekDude,  or screwy sites ...
[12:50] <knome> GeekDude, that looks like bad editing, it's talking about the windows world in that paragraph
[12:50] <GeekDude> Well, the paragraph does start "With windows"
[12:51] <xubuntu68w> In fact, you're never completely safe. Especially when you don't understand the scripts you have been cutting and pasting into your terminal.
[12:51] <GeekDude> I'd say it would apply more to cracks than straight programs, and should be edited to something of that effect. "With pirated, and often cracked programs"
[12:52] <knome> GeekDude, it's a wiki, you can edit it
[12:52]  * GeekDude looks for the edit guide
[13:00] <xubuntu68w> May ask another question? In my XFCE panel the notifications diappeared and these notifications are greyed out in the panel processing dialog. Has someone got a clue?
[13:00] <GeekDude> I'm having a bit of trouble finding the edit feature now that I have an account
[13:00] <knome> GeekDude, make sure the page is hard-refreshed and look at the left top
[13:01] <GeekDude> http://i.imgur.com/4UexY5N.png
[13:01] <knome> right... did you hard-refresh the page?
[13:02] <GeekDude> ^F5, yes
[13:02] <knome> that's not hard refresh.. try ctrl+shift+R
[13:04] <GeekDude> http://stackoverflow.com/a/385491 says "CTRL-F5 is used to force an update, disregarding any cache." That being said, Ctrl-Shift-R didn't change the page any more than Ctrl-F5
[13:05] <knome> GeekDude, no need to get offended.. i didn't acknowledge you were using ^ to imply ctrl
[13:05] <knome> GeekDude, how did you log in?
[13:06] <GeekDude> I hit "Login to edit" and made a new account in the page it sent me to
[13:06] <GeekDude> then I opened the verification email
[13:06] <GeekDude> It said I was verified, so I browsed back to the antivirus page
[13:06] <knome> was that page on login.ubuntu.com or launchpad?
[13:07] <GeekDude> looks to be login.ubuntu.com looking at my history
[13:08] <knome> GeekDude, ok, login to launchpad with your newly created account to link a username toit
[13:08] <knome> then log in again to the ubuntu wiki
[13:11] <GeekDude> knome: It worked!
[13:14] <knome> GeekDude, unfortunately, the problem you described is a known, reported bug...
[13:14] <GeekDude> Huh
[19:03] <xubuntu514> hi people
[19:04] <xubuntu514> nice chanel!
[19:06] <elfy> xubuntu514: do you have an issue ?
[19:06] <xubuntu514> yes
[19:07] <elfy> !ask
[19:07] <xubuntu514> !patience
[19:08]  * xubuntu514 loves xubuntu
[19:10] <xubuntu514> have already fixed
[19:11] <xubuntu514> I have never installed xubuntu before. Desctope looks pretty good.
[19:11] <xubuntu514> many useful features
[19:12] <elfy> good - I'm sure the team will be pleased :)
[19:12] <xubuntu514> they did a good work
[19:12] <xubuntu514> no unity, it's fantastic
[19:13] <xubuntu514> I'm really enjoying
[19:14] <xubuntu514> I can use my pc with no pain
[19:14] <xubuntu514> verry happy
[19:15] <xubuntu514> I'm from Mapusa
[19:16] <xubuntu514> some people call it Mapuca
[19:17] <xubuntu514> good weather
[19:17] <xubuntu514> how are you doing today?
[19:21] <xubuntu514> I am going to reboot my pc, will be soon
[20:04] <guest2> anyone else having complete system slowdown after 5-10 minutes with 14.04 with (cpu and mem iddling at 5% and 20% respectively)
[20:09] <guest2> it started to happen after a recent update, does that mean you should never update your distro if you want to use it for more then a week?
[20:30] <xubuntu86w> After an update, my default keyboard disposition became English. How can I change it because actually everytime I must type "setxkbmap fr". I think it's because of an ibus update.
[20:30] <xubuntu86w> And also a keyboard icon apparead with only "English"
[20:33] <brainwosh> xubuntu86w, was ibus installed before the update?
[20:34] <brainwosh> if you don't actually need it, just remove it
[20:35] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: I don't know at all my friend but I know I see   Available input methods: ibus xim
[20:35] <brainwosh> ibus is not installed by default in xubuntu
[20:36] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: It can be a dependecy
[20:36] <xubuntu86w> Is there any command to determine which packet needs ibus?
[20:36] <xubuntu86w> Or I just remove it to see if there is any error
[20:36] <brainwosh> that would be the easiest way
[20:38] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: i'm purging it
[20:38] <elfy> if it is a dependency - it'll be a dependency of something you installed :)
[20:39] <xubuntu86w> Another question: when I pass from a video to an another on Youtube everytime I must reload the page to have to sound if not I have the image but not the sound
[20:39] <xubuntu86w> Is it a flash or a pilote problem ? any solution ?
[20:39] <xubuntu86w> elfy: yes you're right I'll see
[20:40] <brainwosh> could be the flash player or html5 player, maybe the web browser
[20:40] <brainwosh> youtube uses the html5 player by default now (in most cases)
[20:41] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: I don't use html5 on youtube and no youtube don't use html5 by default only if flash is not installed
[20:41] <xubuntu86w> and I use firefox with the last update I don't understand this problem
[20:44] <brainwosh> test with chrome or another browser
[20:44] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: what is interresting this problem comes on with youtube
[20:45] <brainwosh> no clue, it works fine here
[20:46] <brainwosh> you will have to test different options/browsers
[20:46] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: do you think it's an audio driver problem or a video driver problem ?
[20:46] <brainwosh> missing sound a video driver problem? nah
[20:47] <brainwosh> does the html5 player trigger this problem?
[20:48] <brainwosh> https://www.youtube.com/html5
[20:48] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: already tested the same problem
[20:50] <brainwosh> did you try anything else to solve it? I'd guess that you can find many possible answers on askubuntu, ubuntuforums,...
[20:51] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: I tried nothing
[20:52] <brainwosh> you should give chrome or chromium a try then
[20:53] <xubuntu86w> brainwosh: you're right
[20:53] <brainwosh> to see if it's a general issue
[22:46] <xubuntu10w> I have problems installing viber
[22:47] <xubuntu10w> The package is of bad quality
[22:47] <xubuntu10w> and then it crash at around 80-90%
[22:48] <xubuntu10w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10080789/
[22:48] <xubuntu10w> Can someone help me with this?
[22:49] <brainwash> xubuntu10w: you could contact the package creator
[22:50] <brainwash> did you re-download the package to make sure that it is not broken?
[22:50] <anonymous_mk> yes i've tried that
[22:50] <anonymous_mk> do you think it may be xubuntu specific issue?
[22:51] <anonymous_mk> because they would have noticed if it was corrupted package by now
[22:51] <brainwash> not xubuntu specific, it does not even look ubuntu specific
[22:51] <anonymous_mk> hmm, its strange for such a big company to have broken package
[22:52] <brainwash> unexpected end of file means in many cases that the downloaded file is somewhat corrupted
[22:53] <brainwash> maybe they've just uploaded a new package version
[22:53] <anonymous_mk> I've re-downloaded like 5 times and its always the same
[22:53] <brainwash> you could try to install it on another machine (hardware or virtual)
[22:55] <brainwash> http://askubuntu.com/questions/536234/while-installatiog-viber-deb-with-dpkg-stopped-with-error
[22:55] <anonymous_mk> its strange that this doesnt work also
[22:55] <anonymous_mk> http://askubuntu.com/a/340925
[22:56] <anonymous_mk> zip file
[22:58] <anonymous_mk> Finally the zip file worked!
[22:58] <brainwash> great :)
[22:59] <anonymous_mk> thanks for trying to help @brainwash


[11:27] <mkoniecz> How can I report bug in manpage? To be more specific - http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/en/man8/backup-manager.8.html is not mentioning that project is dead (inluding domain name),
[11:33] <qwebirc712788> mwhudson. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backup-manager/+filebug


[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:57] <RikMills> mparillo: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-testing-week/24362
[13:57] <RikMills> sigh....
[13:57] <RikMills> but also \o/
[16:36] <mparillo> Last time, Testing Week was before Beta, right?
[16:37] <RikMills> I have no idea
[16:40] <mparillo> curl https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-testing-week/24362 | grep -i kubuntu
[16:42] <mparillo> better yet, curl -s https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-testing-week/24362 | grep -i kubuntu
 /me tries to get that fixed


[17:32] <Mooncairn> I think something's wrong with my hardware. gnome-terminal crashed with a BUS error, then a few minutes later GNOME itself was throwing errors left and right.  Last time I ran tests, I left it overnight to run a few passes. No errors. I'll see what I get this time.
[19:17] <Mooncairn> Also, I have ECC memory, so I don't whether memtest86+ will actually find errors if they exist.