[05:26] <djk_> kkathman: sure uncle doodlegoogle finds both terms..but the results arent that qualitative enough to determine whether or not they are correct
[05:26] <kkathman> ahh well...hehe
[05:27] <djk_> kkathman: it's not that i haven't read that before, but on one site it says this, and on the next that..and meh
[05:28] <kkathman> djk_:  yah
[05:28] <BigKahuna> What is the preferred tv application for KDE? TvTime is not compatible with my tuner card so Im looking for an alternative
[05:33] <djk_> BigKahuna: there's mythtv afaik
[05:33] <djk_> not sure if it does what you want and if its a kde application, don't have a tv-card
[05:35] <MenZa`> does anyone know any cool ftp programs - preferably in the official breezy repos?
[05:36] <MenZa`> oh yeah, konq
[05:36] <MenZa`> silly me
[05:36] <Delvien> anyone here use VMware?
[05:37] <MenZa`> !skype
[05:37] <ubotu> [skype]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:37] <vincentmx> hi
[05:37] <vincentmx> how do i remove usplash?
[05:38] <MenZa`> hey vincent :)
[05:38] <vincentmx> yo MenZa'
[05:39] <MenZa`> I'm just the funny greet-monkey, don't ask me :P
[05:40] <djk_> vincentmx: you'll have to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:41] <vincentmx> ok
[05:42] <djk_> vincentmx:so, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line #nonaltoptions=quiet splash
[05:42] <djk_> vincentmx: change that to #nonaltoptions=quiet
[05:43] <vincentmx> can't find it
[05:44] <vincentmx> do you mean the kernel line? it also has "quiet splash"
[05:45] <vincentmx> i have removed splash on that line now djk_, what do i do next?
[05:45] <djk_> vincentmx: save it +exit
[05:45] <vincentmx> ok
[05:46] <vincentmx> and reboot?
[05:46] <djk_> then sudo update-grub, next time you reboot there should be no splash
[05:46] <vincentmx> ok
[05:47] <vincentmx> ok brb
[05:47] <vincentmx> reboot
[05:47] <MenZa`> I made a shortcut to my windows mounted folder on my desktop, and I want to change the icon on the shortcut, but it says I don't have permission to do so. Is it possible to do it?
[05:48] <djk_> vincentmx: and no, i meant the line i said...
[05:48] <djk_> meh, he's gone.
[05:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:49] <MenZa`> hi
[05:49] <MenZa`> lol djk_
[05:52] <elgordo12345> This has probably been covered 1000 times in here already, if so I appologize.   How is everyones experience with new kde 3.5 packages?  I heard it isn't too good?
[05:52] <djk_> considering the time he's gone rebooting, vincent must have a girls computer..
[05:53] <kkathman> lol
[05:54] <MenZa`> elgordo12345: very bad indeed, I had to reinstall kde 3.4 :o
[05:54] <MenZa`> [17:17]  <MenZa`> roar
[05:54] <MenZa`> [17:21]  <Lard_Man> grrr
[05:54] <MenZa`> [17:22]  <Rasputin> moo
[05:54] <MenZa`> [17:22]  <Hexalius> rr!
[05:54] <MenZa`> [17:25]  <Rasputin> nice zoo we have here
[05:54] <MenZa`> I know I asked, but here I go again: oops
[05:54] <MenZa`> :o
[05:54] <MenZa`> God, that came out badly
[05:54] <djk_> okay..
[05:55] <djk_> yes?
[05:55] <MenZa`> Tried to copy my old question, but didnt do it properly it seems
[05:55] <djk_> obviously?
[05:55] <MenZa`> lol
[05:55] <elgordo12345> That is what I heard.   Thanks.  I'll hold off on upgrading my kde to 3.5 for awhile then.!
[05:55] <MenZa`> Anyway, I made a shortcut to my windows mounted folder on my desktop, and I want to change the icon on the shortcut, but it says I don't have permission to do so. Is it possible to do it?
[05:55] <djk_> heh, i guess the others who told you that weren't good enough elgordo12345 ?
[05:56] <MenZa`> djk_: a second opinion's always nice ;)
[05:56] <MenZa`> You wouldn't happen to know anything about that right, djk_ ?
[05:56] <MenZa`> About my icon, that is
[05:56] <elgordo12345> We'll it was on a different forum, the linux link tech show forum.  I wanted to find out from the kubuntu fans in the irc
[05:57] <MenZa`> heh
[05:57] <MenZa`> I don't think I'm going to even upgrade to KDE 3.5
[05:57] <vincentmx> i'm back
[05:57] <MenZa`> not until dapper's released.
[05:57] <djk_> i dont use fancy icons.. actually, i never really _see_ my desktop, which sucks cause i spent time looking for a nice wallpaper..but, either way, i'd say change the permission?
[05:57] <MenZa`> djk_: well, where :\?
[05:57] <djk_> vincentmx: and no, i meant the line i said...
[05:57] <vincentmx> Hmm, i coulnd't find that line
[05:58] <elgordo12345> I learned from the Window$ days that if general population dont like it, the die-hard windows fans will still think it is the best thing since sliced bread
[05:58] <djk_> MenZa`: i dont know :/
[05:58] <MenZa`> djk_: I think I have it
[05:58] <djk_> vincentmx: it's just a little higher than the kernel lines
[05:58] <elgordo12345> even though it truly bites.  So if the die-hards dont approve, then you know somethings wrong!  :)
[05:59] <vincentmx> ah i found it
[05:59] <vincentmx> thnx
[05:59] <vincentmx> :D
[05:59] <djk_> i'm not a diehard fan, i just use it.. it's there, it's free, and it got pretty colours on the box :)
[05:59] <MenZa`> hmm, I just nedd to know how to login as root in KDE, djk_
[05:59] <MenZa`> :o
[05:59] <djk_> !root
[05:59] <ubotu> hmm... root is rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:00] <MenZa`> well
[06:00] <MenZa`> can I get in gui with that?
[06:00] <wabble> a simple qusetion for the regular Konversation user, how do i make my client log in to the/a nameserver (on undernet)?
[06:01] <djk_> MenZa`: i would assume so
[06:01] <kkathman> wabble: when you start up Konversation you can choose what server you log into
[06:02] <djk_> MenZa`: albeit i havent had a real su on (k)ubuntu
[06:02] <kkathman> I personally dont use Konversation, tho I used to
[06:02] <MenZa`> odd djk_
[06:02] <MenZa`> I did enter konq with root
[06:02] <kkathman> MenZa`: root is disabled in ubuntu
[06:02] <wabble> kkathman:  yes, i have tried filling in a command on the "commands" option, but this does not work
[06:02] <kkathman> it should not be enabled actually
[06:02] <MenZa`> (meaning I did sudo konqueror)
[06:03] <kkathman> MenZa`: you shouldnt so sudo konq
[06:03] <MenZa`> well
[06:03] <MenZa`> I needed root access
[06:03] <kkathman> MenZa`: do kdesu konqeror
[06:03] <MenZa`> ah
[06:03] <MenZa`> okay
[06:03] <wabble> kkathman: what do you use? irssi?
[06:03] <kkathman> wabble: no, kvirc
[06:03] <wabble> kkathman: should i try it? :p
[06:03] <kkathman> wabble: Konversation is fine
[06:04] <kkathman> just I wanted something that i could see multiple channels at the same time rather than tabbed
[06:04] <wabble> kkathman: i think so too, but i hate logging in my self, to lazy
[06:04] <djk_> MenZa`: what did you need root access for in konqui?
[06:04] <wabble> kkathman: ok
[06:04] <MenZa`> I need to give account "menza" ownership of /media/windows/
[06:04] <MenZa`> but it seems I cant
[06:04] <MenZa`> tells me I have insufficient access
[06:04] <kkathman> MenZa`: no you cant
[06:04] <MenZa`> well, why :P+
[06:05] <MenZa`> ?*
[06:05] <djk_> MenZa`: that would be something you do in fstab wouldn't it
[06:05] <kkathman> MenZa`: you have to set up samba authentication
[06:05] <kkathman> and your winbox has to know about it
[06:05] <djk_> ah, shared thing..
[06:05] <MenZa`> well, I don't have the guts to even try touching that
[06:05] <MenZa`> yep, it's my windows mount
[06:05] <kkathman> MenZa`: its a rather long procedure
[06:05] <MenZa`> (the only thing I really want is to change the icon on my shortcut9
[06:06] <MenZa`> 9 = )
[06:06] <kkathman> MenZa`:  you have to create a samba password, establish a credentials file, setup the smbusers, and make changes to the smb.conf file
[06:07] <MenZa`> Nevermind..
[06:07] <MenZa`> :o
[06:07] <djk_> MenZa`: you won't learn much with that attitude ;)
[06:07] <kkathman> its somewhere in the wiki I think
[06:07] <wabble> sudo smbpasswd
[06:07] <MenZa`> djk_: bit tired atm
[06:07] <kkathman> I just did it once a while back
[06:07] <MenZa`> kkathman: the wiki  is allknowing :D
[06:07] <djk_> i had to reinstall linux 6 hours after i installed it for the first time :p
[06:08] <wabble> sudo smbpasswd idontwanttodothis <-- username
[06:08] <kkathman> but its nice once you set it up
[06:08] <djk_> but i learnt what not to do :)
[06:08] <kkathman> but even then, you cant "push" a file from windows to linux...only the other way
[06:08] <kkathman> at least as far as Ive experienced
[06:08] <MenZa`> I hear it's bad to mess around with grub :o
[06:09] <kkathman> yah it is
[06:09] <kkathman> you can lose an entire system quickly
[06:09] <vincentmx> hmm
[06:09] <vincentmx> it's still there
[06:09] <kkathman> the usplash?
[06:09] <MenZa`> is ubuntu a good beginners linux distro?
[06:09] <djk_> kkathman: how for example
[06:09] <kkathman> MenZa`: yes a very good one
[06:09] <djk_> MenZa`: any distro is good
[06:10] <MenZa`> djk_: meh, some are easier to understand than others.
[06:10] <djk_> MenZa`: depends on the beginner and what he wants ;)
[06:10] <kkathman> djk_: well, I dont think I'd tell a newbie to use gentoo or slack
[06:10] <MenZa`> I heard Mandriva (Mandrake at the time) was good once, so I tried installing it into a Virtual HD
[06:10] <djk_> kkathman: i wouldn't tell a pro to use slack ;)
[06:10] <MenZa`> PC*
[06:10] <MenZa`> didn't work
[06:10] <kkathman> hehe
[06:10] <wabble> djk_: no, people give up easy when it does not work out of the box like some other os's do
[06:10] <MenZa`> but now I'm on ubuntu, and quite pleased :)
[06:10] <kkathman> wabble: yep
[06:11] <djk_> wabble: like i said, it depends on the beginner and what he wants
[06:11] <kkathman> windows only wishes it was as easy to setup as Ubuntu
[06:11] <vincentmx> nevermind anyways, BootSplash.org says i have to compile a new kernel
[06:11] <vincentmx> i rather use BootSplash
[06:11] <vincentmx> has more colors and bling
[06:11] <wabble> djk_: i want my operating system to treat me like i have intelligence on a level a bit higher than a sock (pardon my superduper english)
[06:12] <vincentmx> brb
[06:12] <vincentmx> eating
[06:12] <MenZa`> I wish I was
[06:12] <wabble> has anyone seen a howto to get a real resolution on boot up that works fine with suspend2?
[06:13] <MenZa`> anyone ever tried cedega?
[06:13] <MenZa`> !emulators
[06:13] <ubotu> MenZa`: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:13] <MenZa`> !cedega
[06:13] <ubotu> hmm... cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page, or #cedega http://www.franskcorner.org/
[06:13] <djk_> wabble: To the dungeons! i shall not accept your abuse of the English language :p
[06:13] <MenZa`> djk_: Your "i" lacks capitalization.
[06:13] <MenZa`> ;)
[06:13] <djk_> crap
[06:14] <wabble> djk_: i said im sorry :p
[06:14] <MenZa`> anyone ever tried Cedega then?
[06:14] <wabble> or pardon was the word
[06:14] <djk_> so, these dungeons, how about them heh
[06:14] <MenZa`> I thought about trying it, it looks incredible :O
[06:15] <wabble> djk_: they sure beat a night out
[06:17] <djk_> wabble: yea, they're all jealous of us being the only ones here :)
[06:18] <wabble> sure
[06:18] <wabble> sure they are
[06:19] <wabble> so has anyone been thinking of helping me with my to lazy to log in to the name server manually problem yet?
[06:20] <MenZa`> how do I install new themes for kdm? I've downloaded a few from kde-look.org
[06:20] <wabble> MenZa`: start kcontrol
[06:21] <MenZa`> yep
[06:21] <wabble> did you find it?
[06:21] <MenZa`> "Appearance"?
[06:22] <wabble> oh, sorry. I was thinking themes
[06:22] <wabble> :p
[06:22] <MenZa`> heh
[06:22] <MenZa`> KDM themes ;)
[06:22] <MenZa`> http://kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=40 <- that's the little guide they have, but I have no kdmrc in the folder they're specifying
[06:22] <wabble> ah, it was there too, i think i had some troubble adding themes some time back, needed to get in to some folders
[06:23] <deluxe> mhh
[06:23] <wabble> have you looked over at the ubuntu and kubuntu forums?
[06:24] <MenZa`> nope
[06:24] <MenZa`> I'll try doing it though
[06:25] <wabble> i found something there some time back, after i did a theme for the kdm, i could not log back in to my computer if i logged out of it and kept it on. Had to restart it
[06:25] <MenZa`> wabble: found it ;)
[06:26] <MenZa`> Oooo, awesome
[06:26] <wabble> good ;)
[06:26] <MenZa`> Can anyone guide me through compiling this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22120 ?
[06:26] <MenZa`> no wait
[06:26] <MenZa`> silly me
[06:26] <MenZa`> not reading the instructions
[06:27] <wabble> i don't/can't give advice on that, i seem to be good at fucking things up rather than fixing them
[06:27] <MenZa`> haha
[06:28] <djk_> where's your dungeon self-esteem wabble?
[06:28] <wabble> djk_: i downstairs when getting a beer :p
[06:29] <wabble> *i left it
[06:29] <djk_> see what happens when you drink :( it's not good for your health :p
[06:30] <wabble> but hey, i am using kubuntu when i had no troubble using ubuntu and gnome and had lots and still do with kde, so there still is some dungeon self-esteem left i guess :p
[06:30] <wabble> djk_: sure is :D
[06:33] <kkathman> anyone here any good at configuring sound on a machine?
[06:33] <wabble> parpils was bad
[06:33] <wabble> kkathman: sorry
[06:33] <kkathman> I just tried, for the 1st time, hooking a speaker up..am getting no sound...but they are enabled
[06:34] <wabble> kkathman: have you tried the volume knob?
[06:34] <wabble> ok, sorry
[06:35] <wabble> it's so nice with some output after a hard week of work
[06:35] <puckman> Man KDE 3.5 is sweet
[06:35] <djk_> checked whether you're using digital or analog output jack?
[06:35] <puckman> Finding new tweeks all the time
[06:36] <wabble> puckman: i found no visual difference from  3.4.3, the only thing i noticed is that static ip networking has gone from beeing absolutely insanely hard to hard
[06:36] <MenZa`> I have both GDM and KDM installed - how do I set kdm as standard?
[06:37] <puckman> I had 3.2 before
[06:37] <wabble> puckman: ok :)
[06:37] <MenZa`> wabble: you know that :\?
[06:38] <djk_> isn't that done during the login?
[06:39] <MenZa`> well
[06:39] <MenZa`> you're thinking of gnome and kde
[06:39] <wabble> MenZa`: if you remove kdm completely and then reinstall it you should get a question of what to use, there is also a note of this at the forums i think (where it is said what to do not needing to reinstall it) ;)
[06:39] <MenZa`> kdm and gdm are login managers :P
[06:39] <djk_> i don't have gdm or the other gnome stuff
[06:39] <djk_> MenZa`: i know what gdm/kdm is
[06:39] <MenZa`> djk_: I don't doubt it, but you might just read wrong - wabble did it a bit ago :o
[06:40] <MenZa`> (I just installed ubuntu, but thought I wanted to try kubuntu - so I installed kde alongside gnome)
[06:40] <wabble> MenZa`: so what do you think about gnome compared to kde?
[06:41] <MenZa`> well, it's difficult
[06:41] <MenZa`> there are a few things that kde lacks that gnome has, but the kde interface is much prettier and easier to use
[06:41] <djk_> MenZa`: what does kde lack
[06:42] <wabble> MenZa`: try to press "alt" button and then press "space" and type in the name of your favourite app
[06:42] <MenZa`> Katapult?
[06:42] <MenZa`> huh
[06:42] <MenZa`> O_O
[06:42] <MenZa`> SWEET
[06:42] <wabble> MenZa`: nice?
[06:42] <MenZa`> Very
[06:42] <MenZa`> Sorta reminds me of OSX's Dashboard
[06:43] <MenZa`> Awesome, I'm gonna use that a lot
[06:43] <wabble> i think kde is more advanced in many ways but there are silly bugs in kubuntu, i want to use kate for text editing insted of vim but it gives errors on sudo
[06:43] <kkathman> katapult is not much more than alt-f2
[06:44] <wabble> kkathman: it's nicer and easyer
[06:44] <djk_> MenZa`: open a terminal, type sudo nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[06:44] <kkathman> wabble: dont use sudo with kde apps
[06:44] <kkathman> use kdesu
[06:44] <wabble> kkathman: i have to use kdesu?
[06:44] <wabble> ok
[06:44] <kkathman> if that doesnt work, chances are you need to fix your sudoers file
[06:45] <djk_> MenZa`: it should have /usr/bin/gdm in it.... change that to /usr/bin/kdm if you want kdm to be default
[06:45] <wabble> kkathman: and then i should get no errors when editing files like xorg.conf?
[06:46] <kkathman> yes
[06:46] <kkathman> i do that all the time
[06:46] <kkathman> you should only use sudo from the CLI
[06:46] <wabble> ok
[06:47] <djk_> you should only use cli :p
[06:47] <kkathman> if you alt-f2 and type kdesu kate that should allow you to open and write a system file at the root level
[06:47] <wabble> but i want to use sudo
[06:47] <kkathman> djk_:  hehe
[06:47] <kkathman> djk_:  I just tried hooking my sound up...getting nothing... any ideas at the cli I can do?
[06:47] <wabble> kkathman: if i am in a terminal and do kdesu then it's bad?
[06:48] <kkathman> wabble: hmm...prolly not as long as you are executing a kde app
[06:48] <kkathman> but it wont work to do like kdesu apt-get  etc
[06:48] <wabble> kkathman: you should read the ubuntuforums, lots of stuff on the forums on soundcards, but if you are trying to listen to mp3's or something like that you have to download the gstreamer mad package
[06:48] <kkathman> just remember to use kdesu while in kde
[06:48] <djk_> kkathman: not really, i'm not very familiar with sound problems :( did you check whether it's using digital or analog output?
[06:48] <Delvien> i now realize why i hate XP so much
[06:48] <djk_> Delvien: the idiotic error messages?
[06:49] <Delvien> Cant even activate the LICENSED COPY I OWN !! fucking microsoft, !!!
[06:49] <wabble> kkathman: they should standardise sudo and not to things on their own
[06:49] <djk_> lol
[06:49] <kkathman> wabble:  I dont read the ubuntuforums, because they are not official...nobody from the official ubuntu organization supports that forum
[06:49] <Delvien> and god for bid they have a human to speak to.
[06:49] <wabble> kkathman: there still is a lot of good info there
[06:50] <kkathman> wabble: perhaps...but they are highly edited and censored
[06:50] <kkathman> and much information there is very detrimental to your system
[06:50] <Delvien> djk_ just tried to get rid of winXP by installing VMware. but no go. netowork doesnt work well. and cant activate ( not that network works that well in rootXP anyway.. Its ridiculous)
[06:50] <vincentmx> i'm back
[06:50] <kkathman> wabble: if you hang here..you'll get official answers  and better support I think :)
[06:51] <wabble> kkathman: does not hurt to try, your soundcard cant work less if it does not work :p
[06:51] <kkathman> wabble: I tried it yes
[06:51] <wabble> ok ok ;)
[06:51] <arrr-> where can i select the keyboard language?
[06:51] <kkathman> and configured through kde...just no sound :)
[06:51] <wabble> arrr-: check out the system settings regional and ..
[06:51] <kkathman> arrr-: system settings  - keyboard
[06:52] <kkathman> regional blah blah keyboard :)
[06:52] <arrr-> thank you
[06:52] <wabble> do keyboard layout
[06:52] <djk_> Delvien: tell me about it.. i bought 2 usb gamepads off of ebay, in XP i get a wonderful error message saying "usb not recognized, usb malfunctioned for more info click here" which opens a window with the exact same content and the error being at "usb root hub 2, usb device unknown"..
[06:52] <kkathman> system settings is your friend
[06:52] <djk_> Delvien: the pads work in linux though.. what's xp good for if i can't even play with it :(
[06:52] <Delvien> djk_ nostromo pads?
[06:53] <djk_> Delvien: no idea, noname pads for 7 euro :)
[06:53] <wabble> i play on my xbox
[06:53] <Delvien> djk_ ah , have the drivers in windows? or the software it includes?
[06:53] <djk_> Delvien: well yes, but USB doesn't need drivers in XP
[06:53] <arrr-> kkathman: yeah, i tried to look it there but didnt notice Regional & Accessibility
[06:54] <wabble> djk_: want to bet? bluetooth
[06:54] <Delvien> djk_ no names do most times.
[06:54] <wabble> "the driver is not signed" oh nooooooooo
[06:54] <djk_> wabble: bluetooth is recognized though
[06:54] <Delvien> djk_ microsoft doesnt code for no names (well they dont code most other things well)
[06:54] <wabble> djk_: not always
[06:55] <djk_> Delvien: yes but the thing about USB is that it does recognize the hardware. at least that. whether or not you can use it doesn't matter
[06:55] <djk_> the functionality then depends on the driver
[06:55] <Delvien> djk_ right , but it might be the pads problem (the manufacturor might of not cached the right "drivers" on the device.
[06:55] <wabble> djk_: there is no function without the drivers
[06:56] <wabble> was not at least
[06:56] <Delvien> wabble there are drivers for all USB devices, but they are all cached on the USB device
[06:56] <djk_> Delvien: i guess i should also mention that the pads ARE recognized on a laptop with the exact same install of xp, exact same copy of xp.
[06:56] <Delvien> wabble in some cases they arent
[06:56] <Delvien> djk_ dont know what to tell you..   Throw them in the dungeon
[07:00] <wabble> Del'
[07:01] <Delvien> wabble i have uninstalled samba for now, but its frustrating. Its a XP pro problem, i know it. Her PC has always had trouble connecting to networked computers,... Stupd XP pro + Norton
[07:01] <djk_> wabble: naa, i'm hoping they'll work on win95 :) when i get an old p2-400 for old games
[07:01] <wabble> Delvien: you have edited the smb.conf and set up smbpasswd?
[07:01] <Delvien> wabble aye
[07:01] <Delvien> wabble followed all the guides.
[07:01] <Delvien> wabble XP pro = horrible for networking
[07:01] <djk_> Delvien: what's she using norton for anyway? norton isn't that..uh..good?
[07:01] <Delvien> djk_ i keep telling her Norton is a POS
[07:02] <Delvien> djk_ but she doesnt listen
[07:02] <djk_> Delvien: if she wants to pay for an antivirus, she shall choose Sophos AV...
[07:02] <wabble> Delvien: how about her firewall? Is it on and blocking it? I have seen people with bs firewallconfigs
[07:02] <Delvien> djk_ i us Mcafee on Winxp Home, no problems what so ever. ( Cracked that fooker,, Im not paying for something i should get for free)
[07:02] <Delvien> wabble i shut off norton everytime i try and network
[07:03] <djk_> Delvien: and if she wants to pay for a software firewall, agnitum outpost
[07:03] <Delvien> djk_ she payed for it 3 years ago , before we met
[07:03] <djk_> Delvien: rather use clamav ;)
[07:03] <wabble> Delvien: norton internet security?
[07:03] <Delvien> wabble aye
[07:03] <Delvien> wabble it sux0rs
[07:04] <Delvien> i want to get rid of XP so bad, but i play games..
[07:04] <djk_> there's some commercial software I'd pay for..
[07:05] <wabble> Delvien: uninstall the shit, use windows firewall. And if she complaints about no av install avg antivirus from grisoft.com (free edition)
[07:05] <Delvien>  cedega? have it, doesnt run everything
[07:05] <wabble> Delvien: do other computers connect without troubble?
[07:05] <Delvien> wabble she told me im not allowed to remove anything hehe :P
[07:05] <Delvien> wabble no
[07:05] <djk_> Delvien: neither does win :p civ4 is a catastrophy..albeit that's firaxis fault
[07:05] <wabble> Delvien: tell her i said norton is shit
[07:05] <Delvien> wabble i have to use the network wizard 2-3 times to get her XP pro to connect to my XP home
[07:05] <djk_> Delvien: be a man, slap her on the toosh :p
[07:06] <Delvien> lol i do , but thats a different situation
[07:06] <djk_> hehe
[07:06] <wabble> Delvien: i think the problem is her computer.   I get a little more than a 1/4 the time on battery power
[07:10] <wabble> Delvien: have you enabled the laptop tools?
[07:10] <Delvien> XPhome i get 4:20 on a 6cell battery ( the cheapest one 53wah) on windows, and 1:30 on linux
[07:10] <_tux> i did chmod -R 600 <myhomefolder> and now i cant log in! plz help!
[07:10] <djk_> Delvien: i don't watch embedded media, but there's gxine, you can (not recommended) get mplayer to play it, and i think plugger
[07:10] <Delvien> wabble  Umm i have ACPI and stuff on. Havent gotten to into messing with it. What is it
[07:10] <wabble> Delvien: i get the same as on windows
[07:11] <wabble> Delvien: go in the system settings and configure your machine for speedstep
[07:11] <Delvien> wabble well how do i check this out
[07:11] <Delvien> wabble aye ive speedsteped it
[07:11] <wabble> system settings - laptops an batteries
[07:11] <Delvien> Laptops & Power
[07:11] <djk_> Delvien: http://www.opera.com/docs/plugins/
[07:11] <wabble> enable default power profiles
[07:12] <wabble> set it to save battery or what it says
[07:12] <wabble> when on battery
[07:12] <Delvien> wabble we talking about the same thing?
[07:12] <wabble> jupp
[07:12] <Delvien> wabble i have a Laptops & Power, not a Laptops on batteries
[07:12] <wabble> me to :p
[07:13] <gibarian> hello everyone...anyone know why Skype keeps giving segfaults when invoked via artsdsp? (full duplex is checked)
[07:13] <wabble> have you enabled power throttling?
[07:13] <wabble> under acpi config
[07:13] <Delvien> wabble aye
[07:13] <wabble> and then on to default power profiles
[07:13] <Delvien> "Not powered" "System perfom Powersave " CPU throtteling 00%
[07:13] <PokerFacePenguin>  #ubuntu
[07:14] <PokerFacePenguin> oops
[07:14] <PokerFacePenguin> missed that /join altogether now didnt I :)
[07:14] <Delvien> aye we got that hehe :)
[07:14] <wabble> set your computer to powersave <- on batteries
[07:15] <wabble> i have to go meet my girlfriend, have a good one all of you :)
[07:15] <Delvien> i did
[07:15] <wabble> ok
[07:15] <wabble> then i dont know, sorry
[07:15] <Delvien> it was on that before, :_)
[07:15] <Delvien> thanks anyway.
[07:15] <djk_> wabble: have fun, dungeon buddy ;)
[07:15] <wabble> sure
[07:16] <wabble> byby ;)
[07:29] <_ubuntu> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 03f0:2b17 Hewlett-Packard is that /dev/usb/lp3?
[07:37] <reagleBRKLN> I now have 4 windows, and two icons, opening when i plug in my external harddrive, two for /dev/sda (which won't work) and two for /dev/sda1 (which will). Also, the /dev/sda icon doesn't do anything of course. (It's a single external ext3 formatted drive with one master partition)
[07:37] <reagleBRKLN> syslog from plugin is here http://rafb.net/paste/results/kLg2ZA22.html
[07:38] <reagleBRKLN> how do I at least tell it not to worry about /dev/sda ?
[07:40] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN:  i think there was a link posted earlier
[07:40] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN: go to the wiki and search on ivman
[07:41] <bluszcz>  uch
[07:41] <bluszcz> why i didn't see inserted dvd on my desktop?
[07:43] <reagleBRKLN> kkathman: don't think it's here ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuComments
[07:43] <reagleBRKLN> could you scroll up and find url?
[07:44] <djk_> reagleBRKLN:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml
[07:45] <MenZa`> ungh
[07:45] <MenZa`> why can't I remove kubuntu-desktop completely?
[07:45] <MenZa`> oh yeah, kdmgreet just crashed D:
[07:46] <Delvien> what kind of crap is this.. I try to install Hal-device manager and it removes kubuntu-Desktop... Stupid ass adept .
[07:48] <raphink> Delvien: it's not adept's fault
[07:48] <djk_> kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package
[07:48] <raphink> that's called dependencies conflicts
[07:48] <Delvien> should never happen is my point
[07:48] <raphink> and trust me you're thankful they exist
[07:48] <Delvien> i shouldnt have to use konsole for everything
[07:48] <raphink> then report it Delvien
[07:49] <raphink> using konsole won't prevent it from happening
[07:49] <raphink> if there's a dependency conflict
[07:49] <raphink> using the console won't chang eit
[07:49] <Delvien> when i install something it will tell me what its removing
[07:49] <raphink> if you want more features in adept, get to work on it Delvien
[07:49] <Delvien> lol im not that advanced :P
[07:49] <raphink> and please remember there is no "should" or "shoudln't" that is not due to your own lack of contribution
[07:49] <MenZa`> meh
[07:50] <raphink> this is a free and open-source system, might I remind you
[07:50] <MenZa`> I can't remove kubuntu-desktop - not with adept, nor with apt-get
[07:50] <MenZa`> :\
[07:50] <djk_> ubotu, ivman is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml
[07:50] <ubotu> okay, djk_
[07:50] <Delvien> you sudo it :P?
[07:50] <MenZa`> of course, Delvien
[07:50] <Delvien> menza i can .. hm
[07:50] <MenZa`> It told me it was removed, but it wasn't
[07:50] <MenZa`> :\
[07:50] <Delvien> o
[07:50] <Delvien> idk
[07:50] <MenZa`> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[07:51] <raphink> I cna't install kubuntu-desktop on dapper
[07:51] <raphink> so I don't worry about removing it
[07:51] <MenZa`> heh
[07:51] <raphink> lol
[07:52] <MenZa`> I'm not using no beta (alpha?) of dapper :o
[07:52] <Delvien> omg omg, i just crashed for the first time
[07:52] <Delvien> lol
[07:53] <MenZa`> lol
[07:53] <Delvien> thats 3 months... pretty good
[07:53] <reagleBRKLN> do i need to restart KDE?
[07:54] <Delvien> and crashed my amaroK, eek
[07:54] <djk_> reagleBRKLN: i forgot, so not sure, try it.
[07:54] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm... think i do, thanks for the pointer (goes to relogin)
[07:54] <raphink> oh just amarok Delvien ?
[07:54] <raphink> amarok crashes a lot
[07:54] <Delvien> raphink no no, X crashed,
[07:54] <raphink> oh ok
[07:55] <kkathman> howdy raphink :)
[07:55] <Delvien> raphink and when it came back up amarok died a pittifull death
[07:55] <raphink> hi kkathman :)
< :)
[07:55] <Delvien> hey kkath
[07:55] <kkathman> howdy Delvien :)
[07:55] <Delvien> kkathman long time no see :P
[07:56] <kkathman> for some reason Im getting no sound on my system :(
[07:56] <raphink> kkathman: dapper?
[07:56] <kkathman> Ive never configured it actually
[07:56] <Delvien> kkathman that sux
[07:56] <kkathman> no breezy
[07:56] <kkathman> I just thought about hooking up a small speaker today
[07:56] <raphink> did you try with kmix kkathman ?
[07:56] <kkathman> but I dont get anything
[07:56] <kkathman> raphink: nope...can you walk me through that?
[07:57] <raphink> you should have kmix in the applet sin the bar
[07:57] <raphink> the small speaker icon
[07:57] <raphink> open it
[07:57] <raphink> or else just launch kmix
[07:57] <kkathman> yah ok
[07:57] <kkathman> need to test with something
[07:57] <kkathman> one sec
[07:58] <VincentMX> hi
[07:58] <raphink> hi VincentMX
[07:58] <Delvien> anyone remember win95, onhow you check the processors speed? got an old winbookXL from my folks and want to know the speed of theCPU
[07:58] <kkathman> hmm
[07:58] <kkathman> I went to system settings and tried the sound test
[07:59] <kkathman> no go
[07:59] <djk_> Delvien: directx diagnosis or so i think
[07:59] <Delvien> kkathman that doesnt work for me either, but my sound works
[07:59] <Delvien> djk_ win95 doesnt have DirectX
[07:59] <raphink> kkathman: check if the PCM is activated in kmix
[08:00] <bl3ssing> is anybody from Springfield, N.J.?
[08:00] <djk_> Delvien: heh, checked it last time a few months ago on win98.. thought there wouldn't be much difference..
[08:00] <raphink> hi bl3ssing :) <>< :)
[08:00] <raphink> huh :(
[08:01] <VincentMX> how do i install the kernel source?
[08:01] <raphink> that's explained on the wiki VincentMX
[08:01] <reagleBRKLN> editing /etc/ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml saves me from *two* popups and such, (now just one konq opened) but doesn't save me from hal or dbus or whatever also trying to recognized a /dev/sda, which is not valid
[08:01] <Delvien> this old winbook XL with win95 boots in 5 seconds... OMG
[08:01] <VincentMX> ok
[08:01] <reagleBRKLN> only /dev/sda1
[08:01] <raphink> !wiki kernel source
[08:01] <raphink> no bot here ?
[08:01] <bl3ssing> anybody from Springfield, N.J.?
[08:02] <_cb> I  just install kubuntu
[08:02] <MenZa`> !kernelsource
[08:02] <ubotu> I don't know, MenZa`
[08:02] <MenZa`> :P
[08:02] <MenZa`> hmm
[08:02] <_cb> I  just install kubuntu
[08:02] <MenZa`> !kernel
[08:02] <MenZa`> yes, _cb ?
[08:02] <_cb> and I cannot intall kubuntu
[08:02] <VincentMX> a bit slow the bot here is
[08:02] <_cb> no skype
[08:02] <l3m> ubotu: kernelsource is "apt-get install linux-source-'uname -R'"
[08:02] <ubotu> l3m: okay
[08:02] <MenZa`> !skype
[08:02] <ubotu> skype is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:02] <l3m> !kernelsource
[08:02] <ubotu> somebody said kernelsource was "apt-get install linux-source-'uname -R'"
[08:03] <l3m> ubotu: kernelsource is apt-get install linux-source-'uname -R'
[08:03] <ubotu> ...but kernelsource is already something else...
[08:03] <l3m> ubotu: no, kernelsource is apt-get install linux-source-'uname -R'
[08:03] <ubotu> l3m: okay
[08:03] <l3m> !kernelsource
[08:03] <l3m> ;)
[08:03] <_cb> is it possible to install skype on ubuntu
[08:03] <IULIUS23ro> hello
[08:03] <MenZa`> _cb: check the links I got ubotu  to type out
[08:03] <MenZa`> !skype
[08:03] <ubotu> somebody said skype was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:03] <IULIUS23ro> !xorg
[08:04] <ubotu> xorg is, like, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:04] <l3m> ubotu: no, kernelsource is apt-get install linux-source-<your kernel version>
[08:04] <ubotu> okay, l3m
[08:04] <MenZa`> <3 Terminal
[08:04] <_cb> I dont know the last ubuntu 5:10
[08:04] <djk_> Delvien: http://kb.iu.edu/data/aiiu.html
[08:04] <MenZa`> _cb: what version are you running?
[08:05] <Delvien> djk_ cool thanks, i know the CPU is a MMX , but other than that idk
[08:05] <djk_> you're welcome
[08:06] <_cb> cb@ubuntu:~/deb$ sudo dpkg -i getskype-linux-deb
[08:06] <djk_> but couldn't you just take a look at the bios?
[08:06] <_cb> dpkg: retirer libqt3-mt en faveur de libqt3c102-mt ...
[08:06] <_cb> dpkg: non, impossible de retirer libqt3-mt (voir --auto-deconfigure):
[08:06] <_cb>  kdebluetooth dpend de libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4)
[08:06] <_cb>   libqt3-mt doit tre supprim.
[08:06] <MenZa`> _cb: don't paste in here please.
[08:06] <_cb> dpkg: concernant getskype-linux-deb contenant libqt3c102-mt:
[08:06] <l3m> !fr
[08:06] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[08:06] <_cb>  libqt3c102-mt entre en conflit avec libqt3-mt
[08:06] <_cb>   libqt3-mt (version 3:3.3.4-8ubuntu5) est install.
[08:06] <_cb> dpkg: erreur de traitement de getskype-linux-deb (--install):
[08:06] <_cb>  paquets en conflit - libqt3c102-mt non install
[08:06] <_cb> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[08:06] <_cb>  getskype-linux-deb
[08:06] <l3m> !fr
[08:06] <MenZa`> !dk
[08:06] <ubotu> MenZa`: I give up, what is it?
[08:07] <MenZa`> !def
[08:07] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, MenZa`
[08:07] <MenZa`> hm
[08:07] <l3m> hrhr
[08:07] <_cb> the last one I just download it 2 weeks ago and install it today
[08:07] <l3m> no danish kubu channel
[08:07] <l3m> hrhr
[08:07] <MenZa`> l3m: I know, but there's an ubuntu one ;)
[08:08] <MenZa`> #ubuntu-dk tbmc
[08:08] <djk_> what the hell
[08:08] <djk_> there is a #ubuntu-women
[08:08] <djk_> ffs
[08:08] <MenZa`> lmao
[08:09] <MenZa`> "So, Eva; look at this cute sweater! I rarely work on it though, I'm usually coding unix stuff..."
[08:09] <_cb> I have kubuntu 5.10 version
[08:09] <l3m> ubotu: chde is Es git momentan no kei schwiizerdtsche Hilfskanal! Probier #kubutu-de fr hochdtschi Hilf!
[08:09] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, l3m
[08:09] <l3m> boeh
[08:09] <l3m> ubotu: chde is Es git momentan no kei schwiizerdueche Hilfskanal! Probier #kubutu-de fr hochduechi Hilf!
[08:09] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, l3m
[08:10] <l3m> ubotu: chde is Es git momentan no kei schwiizerduetsche Hilfskanal.  Probier kubutu-de fr hochduetschi Hilf.
[08:10] <ubotu> l3m: i'm not going to learn illegal characters
[08:10] <_cb> dpkg: retirer libqt3-mt en faveur de libqt3c102-mt ...
[08:10] <_cb> dpkg: non, impossible de retirer libqt3-mt (voir --auto-deconfigure):
[08:10] <kkathman> raphink: that certainly was the issue...
[08:10] <l3m> bastard ;(
[08:10] <_cb>  kdebluetooth dpend de libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4)
[08:10] <MenZa`> ubotu: dk is Ubuntu diskussion paa dansk kan foeres i #ubuntu-dk
[08:10] <ubotu> okay, MenZa`
[08:10] <_cb>   libqt3-mt doit tre supprim.
[08:10] <MenZa`> !dk
[08:10] <ubotu> well, dk is Ubuntu diskussion paa dansk kan foeres i #ubuntu-dk
[08:10] <_cb> dpkg: concernant getskype-linux-deb contenant libqt3c102-mt:
[08:11] <MenZa`> :D
[08:11] <_cb>  libqt3c102-mt entre en conflit avec libqt3-mt
[08:11] <raphink> it works now kkathman ?
[08:11] <_cb>   libqt3-mt (version 3:3.3.4-8ubuntu5) est install.
[08:11] <_cb> dpkg: erreur de traitement de getskype-linux-deb (--install):
[08:11] <_cb>  paquets en conflit - libqt3c102-mt non install
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu tell _cb about fr
[08:11] <_cb> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[08:11] <_cb>  getskype-linux-deb
[08:11] <_cb>  libqt3c102-mt entre en conflit avec libqt3-mt
[08:11] <_cb>
[08:11] <kkathman> raphink: yes
[08:11] <_cb> I understand I have a conflic  libqt3c102-mt entre en conflit avec libqt3-mt
[08:11] <raphink> good :)
[08:11] <l3m> _cb stop spamming
[08:11] <djk_> there's no libqt3c102-mt for ubuntu, only for debian, which will conflict with libqt3-mt.
[08:12] <djk_> l3m: heh, you just spammed as well ;)
[08:12] <MenZa`> ubotu: dk is not Ubuntu diskussion paa dansk kan foeres i #ubuntu-dk
[08:12] <ubotu> ...but dk is already something else...
[08:12] <MenZa`> hmm
[08:12] <_cb> OK what shall I do ?
[08:13] <djk_> what a read: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/UbuntuWomenFAQs
[08:14] <l3m> _cb: explain your problem in english or use the french channel for french help
[08:14] <_cb> My problem is today I install Kubuntu and want to install skype, I download the deb but It does not work !
[08:15] <_cb> Question for all of you using kubuntu : nobody have skype ?
[08:16] <Delvien> djk_ lol its a 233.86,  and it boots in 5 seconds...
[08:17] <djk_> hehe nice
[08:17] <l3m> _cb: i have skype
[08:17] <Delvien> djk_ shuts down and off in 1 second:) lol nice little Old ass notebook
[08:17] <l3m> _cb: the problem is (probably) that you downloaded skype from the skype we website
[08:17] <djk_> sweet :)
[08:17] <l3m> right?
[08:17] <Delvien> djk_ hmm maybe i can get ubuntu on there.....
[08:18] <djk_> ubotu tell _cb about skype
[08:18] <djk_> Delvien: i have kubuntu on a p3-500, KDE and xfce installed
[08:18] <djk_> KDE runs better and faster than xfce for some odd reason
[08:18] <djk_> laptop^^
[08:19] <Delvien> djk_ this thing has a crappy graphics card, all the text in win95 is all blocky
[08:20] <djk_> Delvien: isn't that Win95?
[08:20] <Delvien> djk_ i dont know i was like 10 when i was last on 95
[08:20] <djk_> the women don't answer me.
[08:20] <Delvien> djk_ anyway to fix that?
[08:20] <djk_> now they even ignore me on irc :(
[08:20] <Delvien> ouchie
[08:21] <djk_> i still have my teddybear :)
[08:21] <Delvien> ..
[08:21] <djk_> anyway, no idea, i haven't used win95 since 96 ;)
[08:21] <Delvien> i was 10 and went to the 95 bill gates convention, shook his hand. He was just about as tall as me :P
[08:22] <djk_> hehe
[08:22] <djk_> did you throw a cake in his face? ;)
[08:22] <Delvien> no i liked windows back then
[08:22] <Delvien> and win95 was innovative for the time
[08:23] <djk_> considering that they stole the windowing system from apple 10 years earlier..eh, yea..
[08:23] <Delvien> <debating puting ubuntu on the winbook XL .. ( its supposed to go to my Girlfriends granpa whos in teh hospital, so he can play solitare and stuff
[08:23] <|mp|> anyone using usb sticks with any luck?
[08:23] <_cb> Thank you for the page relating to skype but my probleme is that I cannot find libqt3c102-mt
[08:24] <l3m> _cb: did you download skype from the skype website?
[08:24] <l3m> !skype
[08:24] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:24] <djk_> |mp|: does a usb-mp3-player qualify as usb-stick?
[08:24] <Delvien> djk_ aye microsuck stole windowing from apple, and from then on apple stole everything from any idea anyone ever had :P
[08:24] <|mp|> djk - that is what i mean, - bought one today, but it keep getting: kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on XX
[08:24] <l3m> _cb ???
[08:24] <_cb> I did both I download from skype and add the repository
[08:25] <djk_> Delvien: not really.. besides, the only reason apple belongs to ms now is that they lost the legal battle over the windowing system.
[08:25] <|mp|> djk_ - that is what i mean, - bought one today, but it keep getting: kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on XX
[08:25] <djk_> |mp|: i have had no problem
[08:25] <Delvien> djk_ well im not an appple fan at all
[08:25] <l3m> _cb: do not bother with the skype.deb from the website. you probably added the wrong repository
[08:25] <|mp|> djk_ lucky you! :) many reports, across distros - kernel bug in usb controller
[08:26] <l3m> _cb: you have to choose the correct one, either breezy or hoary, depending on your version
[08:26] <l3m> of kubuntu
[08:26] <djk_> |mp|: yay, got lucky :)
[08:26] <Delvien> djk_ if i hear one more fucking thing about the Ipod im going to take an axe to whoever said it. then spread their pieces across the country
[08:26] <djk_> Delvien: ever used a g4 or g5 with OS X?
[08:26] <|mp|> djk_ worked fine until 2.6.x arrived - and hasnt worked since
[08:26] <Delvien> djk_ yes
[08:26] <Delvien> djk_ i dont like apples,
[08:27] <Delvien> djk_ over priced
[08:27] <Delvien> djk_ for what they do
[08:27] <djk_> Delvien: yea, that ipod crap is annoying, although playing doom2 on an ipod is a rather nice thing
[08:27] <Delvien> djk_ if you like straining your eyes.. :P
[08:27] <_cb> OK : I am reading the documentation : 5:10 is hoary right ?
[08:27] <Delvien> djk_ i say "Get a real MP3 player"
[08:28] <djk_> Delvien: expensive, but extremely good :) a friend of mine wants to go for a powermac quad 2.5 with 16gb ram :)
[08:28] <Delvien> djk_ i just get tired of all the commercials, of rich people and their apples
[08:29] <djk_> _cb: no, 5.10 is Breezy
[08:29] <djk_> _cb: 5.04 would be hoary
[08:29] <Delvien> djk_ not anymore good than another computer..
[08:29] <Delvien> djk_ and they are making intel apples now, so they must not be doing something right.
[08:29] <djk_> _cb: 4.10==warty, 6.04 ==dapper (not released yet, of course)
[08:30] <djk_> Delvien: ipods are as annoying as cell phones.. i don't have either and i'm not planning on buying either
[08:31] <Delvien> djk_ you cant really compare the performance of a PPC vs a PC anyway. They run on Difference processing units,
[08:31] <Delvien> djjk_ aye, im getting a GoGear, from phillips , that thing is tight,
[08:31] <Delvien> djk_ http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7342789&type=product&id=1122651984408
[08:32] <lunitik> How likely is it that a dapper daily will install successfully right now?
[08:32] <djk_> Delvien: 30GB mp3 player? okay?
[08:32] <lunitik> The report.php or whatever file pretty much says Kubuntu is fucked atm  :(
[08:33] <Delvien> djk_ i do alot of transfering to friends computers, so the extra space is mostly for that.
[08:33] <djk_> Delvien: i don't share :p they shall ruin their own bandwidth. I'm not waiting hours staring at the processbar for nothing
[08:34] <lunitik> Is that a pretty accurate description of its current state?
[08:34] <Delvien> djk_ hehe , i run all that stuff while im at work , or sleeping
[08:34] <djk_> lunitik: i'd assume that the site is accurate
[08:34] <Delvien> djk_ i run only on laptops, so the mobility is great
[08:35] <MenZa`> wheres the file to specify which login manager you prefer located?
[08:35] <djk_> MenZa`: i told you earlier
[08:35] <lunitik> djk_: some things are not 100% sure in those lists, just things they've encountered, and don't want you bitching about  ;)
[08:35] <MenZa`> djk_: I lost my logs :
[08:35] <MenZa`> or well
[08:35] <djk_> MenZa`: open a terminal, type sudo nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:35] <MenZa`> I cant find them ;D
[08:35] <bl3ssing> how can install thunderbird on my computer?
[08:35] <MenZa`> thanks
[08:35] <MenZa`> that's the one
[08:35] <bl3ssing> firefox ... :-)
[08:35] <djk_> MenZa`: you're welcome
[08:36] <bl3ssing> I've downloaded it from their website, but I have the file here and I don't know what to do with it
[08:36] <djk_> MenZa`: there you'll find /usr/bin/gdm or /usr/bin/kdm ..change it accordingly to your wishes..
[08:36] <bl3ssing> :-(
[08:36] <MenZa`> it's as it should be
[08:36] <MenZa`> good.
[08:36] <lunitik> Riddell: you around, maybe you can give me a better answer... whats the most recent I can go for an installer that is likely to go through without error?
[08:37] <djk_> lunitik: mmh, well, i haven't tried dapper myself yet.
[08:37] <Delvien> djk_ what is dapper
[08:37] <djk_> bl3ssing: read the INSTALL or README
[08:37] <djk_> Delvien: next version of ubuntu
[08:38] <Delvien> djk_ o ?? what are the improvments??
[08:38] <djk_> Delvien: to be released in 6.04....
[08:38] <djk_> Delvien: work has just begun, so i'm sure there'll be lots of improvements besides the newer packages.
[08:39] <Delvien>  is there a way to dist-upgrade it? once its released?
[08:39] <lunitik> djk_: there's really not much going on in the kde world that isn't targetting 4.0...
[08:39] <Delvien> hell ubuntu 5.10 was just released....
[08:39] <lunitik> djk_: so I don't know about that..
[08:39] <djk_> Delvien: yes
[08:39] <djk_> lunitik: don't know about what?
[08:40] <lunitik> djk_: I just want to get a feel for 3.5
[08:40] <lunitik> djk_: see if its much better than beta2
[08:41] <Delvien> i want it to be released before i go upgrading to it :P
[08:41] <Delvien> ubuntuforums.org down?
[08:41] <djk_> lunitik: earlier someone said that 3.5 isnt that great for ubuntu yet..
[08:42] <hussam> Can somebody check for me if ubuntuforums.org is opening?
[08:42] <lunitik> djk_: It seems to be very broken... but yeah  :/
[08:42] <Delvien> hussam its down for me
[08:42] <bl3ssing> when I change my desktop appearance, its seems that there's some bad bugs ... like ... after changing my desktop appearence, and if I'm opening a folder from Desktop, I can't see the text of the folders (I can still see my icons, but not the text)
[08:42] <hussam> Delvien: ok thanks
[08:42] <bl3ssing> was so hard for the programmers to watch over ... this things? :-)
[08:51] <_cb> I could manage the installation of skype but I cannot log in !
[08:58] <Bushito> is there a way to download a minimal install cd of kubuntu??
[09:02] <bl3ssing> how can I install the epic5.-~tar.bz? :-(
[09:03] <kkathman> untar it first I suppose
[09:13] <apachelogger> bl3ssing: untaring .. entering the directy ... ./configure ... make ... sudo make install (or checkinstall if you want a deb for your system)
[09:13] <apachelogger> s/directy/directory
[09:19] <selutha> I am about to install kubuntu and i remeber reading somewhere that there is a popular install script that people use once they get kubuntu intalled to add a bunch of apps like mplay and such can any one help me with the name of it or where it is located
[09:23] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1
[09:23] <raphink> :)
[09:23] <raphink> never saw that before
[09:25] <kkathman> raphink:  thats kinda funny :)
[09:26] <raphink> :)
[09:26] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
[09:26] <bl3ssing> apachelogger,  how can I untar ...? just type untar file.tar.gz?
[09:26] <raphink> Why do I do Ubuntu?
[09:26] <raphink> To fix bug [WWW]  #1 of course.
[09:26] <raphink> :)
[09:26] <kkathman> bl3ssing: whats the suffix?
[09:26] <raphink> to untar tar.gz files, you need to use tar -xvf
[09:27] <raphink> tar -xvf file.tar.gz
[09:27] <kkathman> right
[09:27] <bl3ssing> I've tried tar -xvfz file.rar.gz
[09:27] <bl3ssing> is this ok?
[09:27] <kkathman> thats why I was asking the suffix raphink
[09:27] <kkathman> to give him the correct form
[09:27] <kkathman> not both
[09:27] <raphink> yes indeed kkathman
[09:27] <raphink> bl3ssing: I really doubt it's rar.gz
[09:27] <kkathman> I'll butt out
[09:28] <bl3ssing> I've tried tar -xvfz file.tar.gz
[09:28] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:28] <raphink> mixing rar and gz is bad taste
[09:28] <raphink> oh sorry kkathman :(
[09:28] <Tm_T> heh
[09:28] <kkathman> no thats fine
[09:29] <kkathman> it just seems in here its like there is a competition sometimes
[09:29] <kkathman> im not that competitive
[09:29] <bl3ssing> where did my files unarhived?
[09:30] <sampan> ;/
[09:30] <kkathman> lol
[09:30] <Tm_T> what?
[09:30] <Tm_T> it IS competition
[09:30] <bl3ssing> k ....
[09:30] <selutha> anyone heard of a install script that u run after the base install that install alot of extras? i think i saw it in the forums and it seemed popular.
[09:30] <bl3ssing> how to install my file now?
[09:30] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:32] <bl3ssing> I've tried to install my firefox program and ... this is the result .. http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/446507
[09:33] <bl3ssing> can anybody tell me what to do? :-) pls
[09:33] <bl3ssing> kkathman,   ... can you help me pls? :-)
[09:33] <raphink> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:33] <kkathman> use sudo with apt-get
[09:33] <kkathman> oops sorry
[09:34] <bl3ssing> the saem for sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:34] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:34] <selutha> kkathman, its logged in to root
[09:37] <selutha> bl3ssing, do you have apt-get already running in another window?
[09:37] <selutha> do you have aptitude running?
[09:37] <kkathman> oops
[09:37] <selutha> Oo
[09:37] <sampan> welcome back kkathman :)
[09:38] <paines> hi
[09:38] <kkathman> fat fingers
[09:42] <bl3ssing> how can I kill that apt-get ... from the other window?
[09:44] <raphink> kill apt-get ?
[09:44] <Delvien_AFK> lol
[09:44] <raphink> why?O
[09:44] <Delvien_AFK> hit the powerbutton !
[09:44] <raphink> Delvien_AFK: barbarian
[09:44] <Delvien_AFK> yeah its the way of the microsuck
[09:45] <raphink> it's not the linux way though ;)
[09:45] <Delvien_AFK> aye, but hey asked for a way to stop apt-get
[09:45] <Delvien_AFK> or from another window..but still
[09:45] <LjL> stopping apt-get's not wise ;)
[09:45] <raphink> yes
[09:45] <LjL> it's fine when it's just downloading, but...
[09:46] <Delvien_AFK> i know :P
[09:46] <raphink> and not useful most of the time
[09:46] <selutha> bl3ssing, sudo killall apt-get  but its not a good move
[09:46] <LjL> why does he need to kill it?
[09:46] <Delvien_AFK> well i found it useful once, when adept was uninstalling all of KDE, by accident, idk i was drunk..
[09:46] <raphink> that's what I asked LjL
[09:46] <raphink> but got no answer
[09:46] <selutha> he wants to install firefox but apt-get has locked it
[09:46] <LjL> i see raphink
[09:46] <LjL> locked it?
[09:47] <raphink> locked what?
[09:47] <LjL> Delvien_AFK: well usually apt will stop working anyway until you complete what you were doing when you interrupted it...
[09:47] <selutha> apt-get is currently running so when he tired to use apt-get for a second instance it has the admin-lock set
[09:47] <raphink> yes
[09:47] <LjL> Delvien_AFK: your case was probably quite lucky
[09:47] <bl3ssing> why isn't it a good move ...? selutha ? :-)
[09:48] <bl3ssing> cause I'll kill all my applications, right? :-)
[09:48] <LjL> selutha: ok, but why is it running?
[09:48] <VincentMX> i'm off to sleep, bye
[09:48] <raphink> no bl3ssing, because it destroys your apt-get base
[09:48] <LjL> bl3ssing: if apt-get is installing something, interrupting it may result in bad inconsistencies
[09:48] <selutha> LjL, well the easy answer is its probally installing something currently or maybe he is running a gui front end, i could go on with reasons but why?
[09:49] <selutha> bl3ssing, raphink LjL have stated why it could be bad
[09:49] <LjL> well, if he's installing something, then he'll most probably just want to *wait for it to finish*. if he's got a GUI front-end open, then close it... if, on the other hand, something has frozen, then i suppose killing it is the only option
[09:50] <LjL> bl3ssing: if you have apt-get, or Synaptic, or Adept, or whatever that is *installing things* (or removing things), just *do not* interrupt it and wait for it to finish
[09:50] <bl3ssing> thanks for advicing ... LjL
[09:50] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:51] <bl3ssing> selutha,  ... if you're here to be my EX- 8GRADE TEACHER, than, you're having the wrong pupil .. :-)
[09:52] <selutha> i will just pretend that i understand what that means.
[09:56] <bl3ssing> Glad ... Stele
[09:56] <bl3ssing> selutha,
[09:56] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:56] <bl3ssing> just kidding
[09:57] <bl3ssing> but ... anyway, I just want to tell you that I don't like when I'm asking something ... to receive a such of answer you gave it to me (t is sad); but ... yeah, I understand your idea and that's ok. :-)
[09:58] <Delvien> *Debates installing ubuntu on a WinbookXL 233 mhz CPU....*
[09:59] <selutha> bl3ssing, what answer didn't you like
[10:00] <selutha> Delvien, could be intresting but i would do some distro like dsm on that ;) but hey could do a server install of ubuntu and then run a lighter weight gui it could be cool
[10:01] <bl3ssing> how can I use the file.deb file? I want tot install it but before, I think ... the file must be unarchived
[10:01] <bl3ssing> for tar files ... I used tar -xvf file.tar.gz; what can I use for the file.deb file? :-)
[10:02] <bl3ssing> seaLne, it is ok. Just forget about it, ok? Smile ...
[10:02] <Delvien> selutha theres one problem.. It doesnt have a integrated Ethernet.. just a modem, and PCI is old version , i dont even think they sell those PCMCIA cards anymore
[10:02] <Delvien> selutha got a 3 gig HD on it hehe
[10:03] <JakubS> do kubuntu kernel (2.6.12) includes swsusp2 ?
[10:03] <bl3ssing> how can I use the file.deb file? I want tot install it but before, I think ... the file must be unarchived
[10:03] <bl3ssing> for tar files ... I used tar -xvf file.tar.gz; what can I use for the file.deb file? :-)
[10:03] <selutha> dell500, :) they still have nics for that now they are free
[10:03] <sampan> bl3ssing  .deb files can be installed using "sudo dpkg -i name.of.deb"
[10:03] <bl3ssing> thank you sampan
[10:03] <bl3ssing> God bless you.
[10:03] <selutha> dell500, mt
[10:03] <sampan> sure :)
[10:03] <Delvien> bl3ssing dpkg -i <filename.deb> without the <>
[10:03] <psycode> Is there a way to add a kde panel? (to have 2 panels, like in gnome)
[10:03] <LjL> psycode: of course
[10:04] <psycode> LjL, how?
[10:04] <LjL> psycode: right click on a panel, and add panel'
[10:04] <Delvien> right click , and add panel
[10:04] <psycode> oh found it, thanks! :)
[10:04] <selutha> Delvien, never know you might luckout at a old computer dealer in town but man talk about freaky.... i grew up around computers and it just feels weird to sit around a computer w/o a nic
[10:04] <bl3ssing> and how can I install the file than? just sudo apt-get install file?
[10:04] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:05] <Delvien> selutha yeah
[10:05] <Delvien> selutha this thing is like 2.2 inches thick hehe
[10:05] <selutha> dpkg -i is for install if i remember right you might wanna try man dpkg
[10:05] <sampan> bl3ssing  the dpkg -i does install the .deb file -- it's not extracting it, it's installing it
[10:05] <Delvien> selutha i run on laptops as it is, but compared to my 15.4 widescreen lappy, the winbookXL is a beast
[10:06] <bl3ssing> oh, I see. than my program is allready installed, right?
[10:06] <selutha> Delvien, forget the install put some mud on it and use it as a brick :/
[10:06] <psycode> I'm having a really weird problem with libpng. My system can't display some png images in applications, like the smilies in gaim for example.. or icons on the panel... any ideas how can i reinstall the whole graphic system to solve this?
[10:06] <Delvien> selutha lol , yeah really
[10:06] <sampan> bl3ssing  if you did the dpkg -i name.of.deb then it should be, yes
[10:07] <bl3ssing> where are the files installed?
[10:07] <selutha> Delvien, we have a few dell and toshiba wide screens... sooo pretty...
[10:07] <bl3ssing> I've done it sampan and everything's fine. But I want tos tart my program now. :-)
[10:07] <selutha> Delvien, soon very soon one of them will be running linux
[10:07] <sampan> check the kmenu or type the name of the program in terminal
[10:08] <bl3ssing> the file is pera_8.51-20051114.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb
[10:08] <bl3ssing> I've installed
[10:08] <bl3ssing> and ...
[10:08] <bl3ssing> opera_8.51-20051114.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb is the file name. :-)
[10:08] <bl3ssing> and ...
[10:08] <bl3ssing> I want to know where the files have been installed
[10:09] <djk_> bl3ssing: /usr/lib
[10:09] <bl3ssing> I've checked both sampan: the kmenu and the typing the name of the program, but nothing ...
[10:09] <selutha> bl3ssing, are not those programs in the tree to start with?
[10:09] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:09] <bl3ssing> I'll check it right now selutha
[10:10] <selutha> bl3ssing, tree as in the apt-get repostory
[10:10] <djk_> bl3ssing: if you're looking for a file, type this in a konsole: locate foo  where foo is the name of the file
[10:10] <selutha> djk_, if he just installed it he might need to run updatedb
[10:10] <djk_> selutha: i know.
[10:11] <djk_> selutha: i just stated a general case :)
[10:11] <selutha> djk_, np my mistake i should have directed the comment to him no you :)
[10:11] <bl3ssing> I don't know the name of the file ... cause it has been this archive: opera_8.51-20051114.6-shared-qt_en_etch_i386.deb; and now that I've installed, I can't find the installed destination
[10:11] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:12] <djk_> bl3ssing: run sudo updatedb and when it's done  locate opera
[10:13] <djk_> bl3ssing: you should get a listing of files in /usr/share and /usr/lib and /home/yourname and a few others for opera.
[10:14] <Delvien> selutha i have a dell i6000d, (what im running on rightnow ) its a great laptop
[10:15] <selutha> Delvien, IMHO dell has the better looking screens atm, as soon as toshiba offers their better screens in widescreen format that will be nice... nice laptop by the way
[10:15] <Delvien> selutha hehe all dell screens are made by LG and samsung ( i have a samsung )
[10:17] <djk_> Delvien: what does Dell actually *do*?
[10:17] <selutha> Delvien, it would be intresting to see what the diffrence between the lg and the samsung is. Most of the screens use hatachi parts and there is like 5 makers of the acual lcd film
[10:17] <psycode> I'm having a really weird problem with libpng. My system can't display some png images in applications, like the smilies in gaim for example.. or icons on the panel... any ideas how can i reinstall the whole graphic system to solve this?
[10:17] <Delvien> djk_ make the motherboards, (they also manufacture Intel chips, miniPCI cards,) etc
[10:17] <bl3ssing> djk ... can you check this link, pls? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/446578; Here you can see where my opera is ... but how can I start my opera internet browser
[10:17] <bl3ssing> ?
[10:18] <bl3ssing> thanks in advance ... :-)
[10:18] <Delvien> selutha aye
[10:18] <djk_> Delvien: Really. I thought they used something cheap like MSI, put a DELL sticker on it and call it Pro-Edition.
[10:18] <selutha> bl3ssing, if you just type ope and hit tab a few times does it auto complete it for you?
[10:19] <selutha> Delvien, djk_ did you know dell laptops are made by acer?
[10:19] <Delvien> djk_ nope its all made in malaysia :P
[10:19] <Delvien> selutha thats not true
[10:20] <djk_> bl3ssing: first of all, don't be root unless you know what you're doing.
[10:20] <selutha> Delvien, made by not a rebrand
[10:20] <bl3ssing> ok ... djk; next ...? :-)
[10:20] <djk_> bl3ssing: there should be a Opera entry in the KMenu, if there isn't one, we might as well create one, shall we?
[10:20] <Delvien> selutha Acer does not manufactur dell laptops
[10:20] <bl3ssing> sure djk_
[10:21] <bl3ssing> I'll be very happy. :-)
[10:21] <djk_> bl3ssing: for that, open the KMENU and then right click on Internet and choose Edit Menu
[10:21] <bl3ssing> done
[10:22] <djk_> now right click on Internet in the window that just opened and select New Item
[10:22] <djk_> name it Opera
[10:22] <bl3ssing> done
[10:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:22] <djk_> in the command field on the right enter opera
[10:23] <bl3ssing> done
[10:23] <selutha> Delvien, hmm  i have been told diffrently but oh well
[10:23] <djk_> left-click on the picture in the right top corner and search for the Opera symbol.. should be there somewhere
[10:23] <Delvien> djk_ they might use MSI for their desktops, but laptops are homebrewed ( except for screen , sound card, hard drive and optical drive, )
[10:24] <djk_> bl3ssing: when you're done with that, click on the little disk in the left top corner to save the changes.
[10:24] <djk_> bl3ssing: then exit that window
[10:24] <djk_> bl3ssing: now you have a Operalink in your Internet-Menu
[10:25] <djk_> bl3ssing: if you also want to add the opera link to your applet, just right click-add to panel-application-internet-opera
[10:26] <djk_> bl3ssing: if you want to run opera from the konsole, just type opera... keep in mind though, that if you do that, you'll have to keep the konsole open until you exit opera.
[10:26] <bl3ssing> my opera's not starting ... :-(
[10:27] <bl3ssing> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/446591
[10:27] <bl3ssing> the link's for djk_
[10:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:28] <djk_> bl3ssing: uhm, did you actually install opera?
[10:28] <bl3ssing> yeap
[10:28] <djk_> bl3ssing: did you run sudo dpkg -i opera*.deb?
[10:28] <bl3ssing> I got that file ... opera.deb ... and I've used this command: sudo dpkg -i opera.deb
[10:28] <bl3ssing> yeap ...
[10:29] <djk_> did it give you any errors? or did it say something like "configuring opera. done" ?
[10:30] <angasule> I'm having trouble accessing a few sites, and I think it's a dns problem, can anyone tell me dns server ips?
[10:32] <selutha> angasule, <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:32] <angasule> thank you
[10:32] <selutha> np
[10:32] <angasule> should I add that at the end or beginning of resolv.conf?
[10:33] <bl3ssing> djk_, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/446599
[10:33] <bl3ssing> everything's perfect. I think so ...
[10:33] <txwikinger> sorry the stupid question.. but can I upgrade to Ubuntu 5.10 without a total re-install ?
[10:33] <txwikinger> or rather Kubuntu
[10:34] <djk_> bl3ssing: looks okay, still doesn't work?
[10:34] <bl3ssing> no
[10:34] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:34] <sampan> ubotu tell txwikinger about upgrade
[10:34] <djk_> txwikinger: dist-upgrade
[10:34] <bl3ssing> has the opera any exe files like in win?
[10:35] <bl3ssing> where can I find this file than?
[10:35] <txwikinger> thanks djk
[10:35] <selutha> angasule, nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> at the begining
[10:35] <djk_> bl3ssing: there are no exe for any OS but windows
[10:35] <angasule> selutha, thanks
[10:35] <bl3ssing> oh, I see...bout the exe files ...
[10:36] <djk_> bl3ssing: it would be /usr/lib/opera
[10:37] <sampan> !info opera
[10:38] <bl3ssing> djk_,  ... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/446611
[10:38] <bl3ssing> my opera started, but ... its seems that some files are still missing ... some plugins. I'll find them. thanks for help.
[10:39] <hussam> I want do download the java runtime for firefox. does the jdk include the jre?
[10:39] <selutha> bl3ssing, did you install that manually or did you try to use apt-get to install it?
[10:40] <djk_> motif3wrapper?
[10:40] <djk_> selutha: opera isn't in any repos
[10:40] <selutha> djk_, cool just wondering... Really?
[10:40] <djk_> selutha: yes.
[10:41] <sampan> djk, i think it's in the plf or cipherphunk's -- when i apt-cache search i see it anyway
[10:41] <djk_> sampan: ah okay, but no "official" ones afaik.
[10:41] <sampan> yeah
[10:42] <bl3ssing> I've installed from the konsole
[10:42] <bl3ssing> selutha,
[10:42] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:43] <bl3ssing> I have firefox ... but I don't like the interface ...
[10:43] <djk_> bl3ssing: btw, the files "missing" from your last pastebin output are java-related files, so install the sun 1.5 sdk or jre
[10:43] <bl3ssing> I've been thikning about the virtual maching ... things (libvm ...)
[10:43] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:43] <djk_> bl3ssing: and if you're lucky you won't have motif3wrapper problems (occured in the 8.50 release cause some packager fooked it up)
[10:44] <djk_> bl3ssing: yes, the libjvm.so and libawt.so are javafiles
[10:45] <bl3ssing> thank you djk_  ...
[10:45] <djk_> bl3ssing: no problem
[10:46] <bl3ssing> motif3wrapper ... on opera 8.50? :)
[10:46] <bl3ssing> I hope it won't be in the last opera ... :_)
[10:47] <djk_> bl3ssing: if you don't get a message regarding that when starting Opera, then no.
[10:47] <selutha> bl3ssing, the reason i ask is i peronally use gentoo and i want to move the servers to a debian base and the flavor of choice around here is ubuntu so i am thinking about moving some servers to ubuntu server. its been a while since i have used apt-get (debian days) so i just thought that that pkg would be in the tree
[10:49] <selutha> has anyone used this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80295? automatrix?
[10:49] <nicolay> ciao
[10:50] <nicolay> hi all there's an italian??
[10:50] <djk_> !it
[10:50] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:50] <djk_> ciao ;)
[10:50] <nicolay> ciao
[10:52] <sampan> selutha  on my first install of breezy i tried the automatrix and it only messed things up for me.  lots of things were 'half' installed but didn't work ... i eventually ended out completely reinstalling (for other reasons), but manually doing all the things that automatrix was supposed to do for me has been much less hassle
[10:53] <djk_> selutha: why not just try it with one server to test a bit? haven't personally used automatix.
[10:53] <sampan> of course, that was a while back, so maybe the script author has made improvements
[10:53] <sampan> s/automatrix/automatix
[10:54] <selutha> hmmm i am not really one for gnome thats why i installed kubuntu, it seems ot have alot of stuff for gnome so oh well looked cool anyway
[10:54] <selutha> sampan, have you heard of one for kubuntu?
[10:54] <selutha> sampan, ah never mind i see my answer in the forums
[10:55] <bl3ssing> it's ok ... selutha ; I haven't been using the automaticall installing, but from the konsole.
[10:55] <bl3ssing> I've taken the file from www.opera.com ...
[10:55] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:55] <bl3ssing> and than .. istnallet.
[10:55] <bl3ssing> installed.
[10:55] <JakubS_> do kernel 2.6.12 from kubuntu has SATA power management patch?
[10:56] <sampan> selutha, yeah i haven't kept up to know if there's a kubuntu one ... i was lured into trying it because of the "community cd" with it's script for hoary (which worked perfect for me on two diff computers -- never had a problem with either on hoary)
[10:57] <djk_> selutha: since you're a gentooer, some guy in here made a script he called "demerge"...can't find it right now, but the guy was french (forgot his name :()
[11:00] <bl3ssing> how can I install my java*.bin file
[11:01] <djk_> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu breezy java
[11:01] <djk_> add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list bl3ssing
[11:01] <djk_> sudo apt-get update
[11:02] <djk_> and then search for sun
[11:02] <djk_> easier than doing it with the java.bin..
[11:06] <Jxpx> _sebastian,
[11:07] <chaoticgeek> is there a way for me to install kubutnu to a computer from another computer?
[11:08] <Jxpx> _sebastian,
[11:08] <chaoticgeek> I want to get a second computer, but have it just pluged into the network and power. No keyboard/mouse/monitor. Just so I can ssh to it and have fun tinkering around with it and maybe use it as a networked storage server
[11:11] <bl3ssing> I'm still doing it ... djk_
[11:12] <chaoticgeek> I'll take that as no one here knows that answer
[11:15] <djk_> bl3ssing: doing what?
[11:17] <bl3ssing> done ...
[11:17] <bl3ssing> adding that line to the sources.list ... and updating
[11:17] <djk_> ah
[11:17] <bl3ssing> now I'm installing the java file ... 134 mb
[11:17] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:17] <bl3ssing> thanks my friend.
[11:17] <bl3ssing> God bless you.
[11:17] <djk_> sure
[11:17] <djk_> no problem
[11:17] <bl3ssing> I want to learn how to use bin files?
[11:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where X preferences on browers and "system programs" for specific type of files are setted?
[11:18] <bl3ssing> I mean ... if I'll have a bin file how can I install it?
[11:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ./nameOfBin
[11:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> make sure that it is executable
[11:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or change permission with chmod +x fileName
[11:21] <djk_> bl3ssing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca  this would be a step-by-step instruction for the java.bin->java-deb->install
[11:22] <djk_> bl3ssing: for now, just learn how to use linux without fux0ring it up ;)
[11:22] <bl3ssing> fux0ring?
[11:22] <conn> hi, does anyone here use freenx? How can I made the server change the fonts to 96x96dpi (it's set to 75 by default)?
[11:25] <djk_> bl3ssing: screwing your system up..
[11:27] <bl3ssing> hheeheh
[11:27] <bl3ssing> ok boss
[11:27] <bl3ssing> I got it.
[11:28] <bl3ssing> Now I'll get to sleep cause I'm very tired (to much brain working ... and I don't know where this burn smell's comming from. ;))...)
[11:28] <bl3ssing> God bless all of you.
[11:35] <chaoticgeek> anyone here that can help me with making a symbolic link?
[11:35] <chaoticgeek> for somereason when I try "sudo ln -s firefox /usr/bin/firefox" it will not work
[11:46] <LeeJunFan> chaoticgeek: your args are backwards for ln
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> ln -s [source]  [symbolic link you want to create]
[11:48] <GilgameshIT> vive kubuntu
[11:48] <GilgameshIT> :)
[11:50] <slow-motion> n8
[11:52] <wiiik> ou ou


[07:51] <pitti> Good morning
[07:52] <pitti> rbasak: cheers! removed/promoted
[08:12] <cpaelzer> good but somehow weird morning
[08:12] <cpaelzer> I'm slowly getting to the point that I just miss something.
[08:12] <cpaelzer> Could one of you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/23474596/ and tell me why it ends up with modifications to upstream files?
[08:13]  * cpaelzer is waiting for a shameful "there it is" pointer to come in :-/
[08:18] <sladen> cpaelzer: these all look like auto-generated files.
[08:19] <cpaelzer> yes
[08:19] <cpaelzer> but on all the packages I modified so far that never happened - so I wondered
[08:19] <sladen> cpaelzer: eg. suse.in (from ./configure), .pc/* (from quilt), .git-commit-message (artifact of an in-progress commit).  The rest is cut off
[08:20] <cpaelzer> what I wonder is if I'm supposed to undo those changes before an upload
[08:21] <cpaelzer> I was able to make a clean debdiff by dropping .pc
[08:21] <cpaelzer> but lintian still is mad at me on dput as the diff.gz contains changes outside of debian/
[08:21] <cpaelzer> e.g. all the .po changes
[08:23] <sladen> echo -e 'unapply-patches\nabort-on-upstream-changes\n' >> debian/source/local-options
[08:23] <sladen> should help with automatically unapplying the quilt patches
[08:23] <sladen> but I would check it out, manually change the debian/changelog.  Check it builds, and be done with it
[08:24] <sladen> I can't see the diff, but I expect most of it will be timetstamps
[09:25] <seb128> SRU team, could you review https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=snapd ? snapd updates made gnome-software not able to install snaps anymore and that new package is needed to fix it (it has already been SRUed to yakkety but the xenial uploads is sitting in the queue for a while)
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: okay-ish, but it has a higher versino number than yakkety, so it should be reuploaded as ubuntu1.1~xenial
[09:37] <pitti> (rejected with that reason)
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, oh, doh, indeed, thanks for spotting that (and for the review)
[09:37] <pitti> please poke me after reuploading
[09:37] <seb128> k
[09:38] <seb128> thanks!
[12:06] <LocutusOfBorg> kees, hi, you around?
[12:07] <LocutusOfBorg> jdstrand, also ^^ I have an apparmor specific question
[12:08] <LocutusOfBorg> can I enforce some sort of global policy, where I forbid access to a specific file, no matter the process/application/user trying to open it?
[12:08] <pitti> not with AppArmor, as a process must be in a profile for that
[12:08] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like to secure my GPG private key with apparmor configuration
[12:08] <pitti> this is what DAC is for -- restrict user/group to root:root and set appropriate permissions
[12:09] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm ok, so there is no way to forbid root by looking at it
[12:10] <pitti> not towards root, no -- root can also just pry it out of the raw block device, unless you use encryption
[12:10] <pitti> but then it can ptrace a process that is allowed to access it
[12:10] <pitti> I'm afraid you can't lock root out of files
[12:11] <LocutusOfBorg> unless I patch the kernel, to forbid read syscall when the file matches a pattern, but I agree, for raw block device... there is no way
[12:12] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: it's a more useful exercise to block access to the key from other user processes, IMHO
[12:12] <pitti> as these are the real danger
[12:12] <pitti> e. g. firefox
[12:54] <sladen> rbasak: Git double ++
[12:57] <rbasak> Thanks :)
[13:37] <juliank> Bah, the fixes I picked for fixing the locale stuff apt 1.2.16 should be correct, but they don't compile on travis because it's libstdc++6 is too old to have std::put_time (newer builds pull in a newer one by accident...). :(
[13:46] <juliank> bdmurray: pitti: What remains to be done about the apt/1.2.15 xenial SRU? The autopkgtest of sbuild and autopkgtest fail, but that's not apt's fault - the failures also happen for other packages. It's been about 2 (silent) weeks since the upload, and I've been running this for about 1.5 months now without any issues on my server.
[13:59] <juliank> ^ infinity (show a bit enthusiasm, you wanted the autoremove fix that's in there :D)
[14:01] <juliank> Meanwhile I got the 1.2.16 patch queue to compile, but it fails the test suite on travis' franken-trusty-wily-stein :/
[14:03] <pitti> juliank: right, sbuild fails due to removing procenv
[14:03] <pitti> actually no, it's there
[14:04] <pitti> and 100 is an apt error code
[14:04] <pitti> so that should at least be investigated
[14:05] <juliank> pitti: That also occurs with 1.2.10ubuntu1 in -updates as can be seen in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:05] <juliank> (which was triggered by dpkg/1.18.4ubuntu1.1
[14:06] <juliank> With yakkety instead of zesty, of course
[14:06] <juliank> (that was back in may)
[14:08] <pitti> ah, ok; releasing then
[14:09] <juliank> Alright, thx
[14:17] <jdstrand> LocutusOfBorg: you theoretically can replace the unconfined template, but it gets crazy difficult to lock things down cause you'll define a profile that can access it, but unconfined can change_profile into that one, and then things spin out into full system policy, which is a lot of work
[14:17] <jdstrand> s/template/profile/
[14:19] <jdstrand> you can create a root strong policy fwiw, but your system also needs to run and access stuff and do things so there will be a process somewhere that has enough to access it. it is more fun to think about than to implement for a general purpose system
[14:21] <jdstrand> there are also hardware devices that can be used to aid in this sort of thing. eg, https://www.yubico.com/support/knowledge-base/categories/articles/use-yubikey-openpgp/
[15:29] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks jdstrand!
[16:16] <cpaelzer> having an issue with a build on LP infrastructure I wonder what else I could do to become more similar - it fails on LP, but works on autopkgtest
[16:16] <cpaelzer> whicih should both be cloudimg based right?
[16:17] <cpaelzer> with LP having a modified one (I wonder how slightly or extensive that is)
[16:17] <cpaelzer> I created a zesty instance on serverstack to be even closer, but there as well the issue doesn't trigger
[16:17] <cpaelzer> if there are common "make it more similar to LP for debuggung" hints that you have please feel free to share
[16:21] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: The usual thing is to take away network access other than to essential facilities like the archive.
[16:22] <doko> zul: rejected python-vmware-nsxlib , again missing information in debian/copyright
[16:22] <zul> doko: shoot thanks
[16:23] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: The base image is basically only modified to install launchpad-buildd and friends.
[16:24] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: You can look at lp:launchpad-buildd (especially sbuild-package and sbuildrc) to see how sbuild is run.
[16:25] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: And you can get the chroot that the build is executed in by starting from https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/zesty/amd64 etc.
[16:25] <cjwatson> (or manage-chroot from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools)
[18:51] <smoser> slangasek, how did you make the ascii art showing cloud-init services ?
[18:51] <slangasek> smoser: by hand hnnngh :)
[18:51] <smoser> bah
[18:52] <smoser> well then, makes it harder for me to jsut change things and see how it changes therendering :)
[18:53] <sarnold> did you use something like http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=40 or the similar emacs thingy? or by-hand by hand? :)
[18:56] <smoser> sarnold, that looks neat
[18:58] <sarnold> smoser: the docs are thick enough that I've never actually -used- it -- I thankfully don't have to draw diagrams often :)
[19:06] <slangasek> sarnold: genuinely by hand ;)
[19:06] <slangasek> smoser: there are tools for graphing systemd unit deps, but nothing text-y AFAIK and I'm not proficient
[20:04] <slangasek> smoser: discussion with pitti suggests 'systemd-analyze dot "cloud*"' or 'systemd-analyze dot --order "cloud*"' might be the thing
[20:04] <pitti> smoser: dot --order "cloud*" → http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/cloud-all.svg
[20:05] <smoser> slangaseks' was prettier :)
[20:05] <pitti> slangasek also draws graphs with 50% more love than graphviz :)
[20:05] <slangasek> and I truncated the graph for legibility
[20:06] <nacc> smoser: what do you think about the importer doing no-clean on error?
[20:06] <nacc> smoser: i feel like that is a sane default, as i generally don't need to keep the repo around if it successfully imports, but if it fails, i need to debug :)
[20:07] <smoser> nacc, that seems reasonable.  you dont have to give a dir, though right ?
[20:08] <nacc> right, it just won't rm -rf the tmp dir
[20:08] <nacc> smoser: --^
[20:09] <smoser> so in that event if i run that 100 times in a loop (which i'm apt to do with the up arrow) i end up with a ton of wasted disk space.
[20:09] <teward> what bug type is for when someone files a bug with `ubuntu-bug`?
[20:09] <smoser> obviously solvable by passing --directory
[20:10] <smoser> but it seems that you end up with lots of space taken if you're not aware
[20:10] <nacc> smoser: it says pretty explicitly (when no-clean is used) that it's leaving a directory around
[20:10] <nacc> smoser: and the path to the same
[20:10] <nacc> smoser: again, the odds of anyone running the importer locally is very low :)
[20:11] <smoser> nacc, to my knowledge 100% of users of it have used it locally
[20:11] <nacc> smoser: yes, that's a limitation of the current deployment
[20:11] <smoser> so... while you might have one plan, that isnt' reality at the moment at least
[20:11] <nacc> smoser: yes, and almost *all* users run w/o --no-clean
[20:11] <nacc> smoser: and don't hit errors
[20:11] <nacc> smoser: and can't debug
[20:11] <nacc> smoser: fine, i'll add another flag
[20:12] <smoser> nacc, i dont really care. i dont think its bad.
[22:15]  * tsimonq2 hunts for patch pilot
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Seems Laney and henrix were scheduled for today? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[22:18] <tsimonq2> bug 1641315
[22:19] <tsimonq2> bug 1636655
[22:21] <tsimonq2> If a MOTU is willing to help me out, that would be awesome.
[22:22] <tsimonq2> The first one is a simple Debian sync, should be flawless.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> The second one fixes RAR support and needs to get in Zesty before we make an SRU, I assume.
[22:24] <tsimonq2> We got a prod from upstream, and it's just that. An upstream commit. acheronuk tested it on Zesty and Yakkety from my test uploads to a PPA.
[22:24] <tsimonq2> So I see no reason why that shouldn't be uploaded.
[22:24] <tsimonq2> Any takers? ;)
[22:33] <juliank> tsimonq2: That purpose thing seems a bit dubious. It mentions transitional packages for libkf5purposewidgets5, but there are none.
[22:34] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[22:34] <juliank> All I see is libkf5purpose5 conflicting and replacing that
[22:36] <juliank> Hmm, seems like it was dropped in packaging git recently, but apparently the history in that git repo (https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git) does not quite match the uploads
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Kubuntu's packaging BTW, juliank: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/purpose
[22:41] <tsimonq2> juliank: So is the problem in our package or Debian's?
[22:42] <juliank> tsimonq2: I was just wondering where the package is in 1.1-2, but if nothing rdepends on it, that seems fine
[22:42] <tsimonq2> On purpose or libkf5purposewidgets5?
[22:42] <juliank> (Because it was there in the old package, so syncing it would remove it, so better nothing depends on it)
[22:42] <juliank> The latter
[22:43] <tsimonq2> Correct, it seems it's fine.
[22:46] <juliank> tsimonq2: ack
[22:48] <tsimonq2> juliank: Thanks for taking a look at this. ;)
[22:49] <juliank> Bah, syncpackage "signed" that with my gmail
[22:49] <juliank> Ah, probably because I changed the lp email
[22:51] <juliank> tsimonq2: Seems like the sync is now dep-waiting on libkf5kio-dev, because it's actually called kio-dev here. Who could have expected this?
[22:51] <tsimonq2> Aha, yes, that's known.
[22:52] <tsimonq2> This will be fixed when we upload KDE Frameworks 5.27 soon. Debian transitioned to that package name but uUbuntu didn't yet.
[22:53] <juliank> Alright
[22:54] <tsimonq2> juliank: Could that be fixed by setting something like "libkf5kio-dev | kio-dev"? We could remove it when that package exists, but it will still allow for the dependency to be set.
[22:54] <tsimonq2> It will become a transitional package either way.
[22:54] <juliank> For example.
[22:55] <tsimonq2> (kio-dev will)
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Hm?
[22:55] <juliank> Another hack might be to just add a "transitional" libkf5kio-dev package to kio for the meantime, so new rdeps of kio can be synced.
[22:55] <juliank> And then that could become the real one fairly painlessly once 5.27 enters
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Oh sure.
[22:56] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[22:56] <juliank> But I don't have any insight into which solution is the better way, that depends on how the rdeps of kio look like
[22:57] <tsimonq2> The thing is, the Kubuntu team's only person with upload access recently left, so we'll have to fall back to the old members who still have access but don't participate any more.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> So for these things we're going through the sponsorship process.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> So I think either one should work, but I don't have the access to Just Do It. :)
[22:58] <tsimonq2> Personally I'd rather just add the delta to purpose.
[23:00] <tsimonq2> I want to do that because kio-dev becomes a transitional package either way when we upload kio with the next FW.
[23:01] <tsimonq2> juliank: So would you like me to file a bug against purpose to go through the sponsorship process on that too, or would you be able to just do it? :)
[23:02] <juliank> tsimonq2: I can do that
[23:02] <tsimonq2> Thank you. :)
[23:03] <juliank> tsimonq2: I just can't built binaries right now, so we either get lucky or not. If not, we have to deal with this tomorrow (CET)
[23:04] <tsimonq2> Fair enough.
[23:04] <tsimonq2> juliank: You got a diff I can look at first?
[23:04] <tsimonq2> More pairs of eyes if we're relying on luck. ;)
[23:05] <tsimonq2> (If not, it should be fine, but still. More is always better. ;) :P)
[23:05] <juliank> Well, that part is not the problem. Just if some other part of the build fails somehow :)
[23:05] <tsimonq2> Oh ok
[23:05] <tsimonq2> Fair enough.
[23:10] <juliank> tsimonq2: That should be it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23477837/ - there already is an equivalent dep on kio-dev further up the build-depends
[23:13] <juliank> Build Dependencies seem to be installing
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Why would Debian depend on kio-dev as well? O__o
[23:14] <tsimonq2> I'll poke the relevant person.
[23:14] <juliank> Accident probably
[23:15]  * tsimonq2 watches https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/purpose/1.1-2ubuntu1/+build/11200190
[23:15] <juliank> tsimonq2: ppc64el is uploading
[23:15] <tsimonq2> \o/
[23:16] <tsimonq2> juliank: Thanks. :D
[23:16] <tsimonq2> Oh, seems kio is Plasma? We'll upload that soon anyways.
[23:18] <tsimonq2> juliank: Any chance you could look at ark as well?
[23:18]  * juliank does not know what KDE calls what these days ...
[23:19] <tsimonq2> juliank: Plasma is the desktop, Frameworks is the base APIs, and Applications is, well, the Applications.
[23:19] <tsimonq2> That's the short version. :)
[23:20] <juliank> tsimonq2: OK. Let me have a quick look at the ark thing
[23:22] <juliank> tsimonq2: Looks sane to me, uploaded it. If there's some issue, let me know when I'm awake again :D
[23:22] <tsimonq2> juliank: Ok, thank you. :)
[23:23] <Unit193> juliank: ...Do I get to bother you about command-not-found this month? :)
[23:23] <juliank> Unit193: aaah
[23:23] <juliank> Unit193: I want to go to sleep now ...
[23:24] <Unit193> juliank: Hah, lovely timing then!  Also perhaps wrong channel..
[23:24] <juliank> Yea, remind me in 21 hours
[23:25]  * juliank is doing university + apt stuff by day, and misc stuff before going to sleep...
[23:32] <juliank> This reminds me: If someone can test the apt 1.2.16~rc1 in the xenial PPA linked in bug 1592817 and 1611010 and verify that it fixes these bugs, that would be nice. I'm reasonably (like 95%) sure it does, but I can't really be bothered to do this
[23:33] <juliank> Anyway, I'm off now, will be back in about 8 hours


[02:29] <Junowat> hi all
[02:29] <Junowat> is there a moderator for this channel?
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> Junowat, what you need to talk to mdke
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> is something wrong?
[02:31] <Junowat> well I had a question
[02:32] <Junowat> I had a problem with one of the ubuntu wiki pages (something was unclear)
[02:32] <Rocket2DMn> which page?
[02:32] <Junowat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:33] <Junowat> so I went to the page to create a new revision
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> ok, wiki.ubuntu.com isn't really our domain but we can help you with editing
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> (we primary do official docs and community docs on help.ubuntu.com)
[02:34] <Rocket2DMn> so you went to edit, then what?
[02:34] <Junowat> well do you know who that domain belongs to?
[02:34] <Junowat> yes so I edited the page the way I liked
[02:34] <Junowat> then I hit preview to see what my edits looked like
[02:34] <Junowat> then I hit submit/change (I forget the name of the button)
[02:35] <Junowat> but instead of going through some approval process, the page changed automatically
[02:35] <Junowat> which surprised me because I didn't know I had full access to do that.
[02:35] <Junowat> I just want to make sure I didn't do anything wrong
[02:35] <Junowat> in the worst case scenario, the admin can simply revert the page to the previous version
[02:36] <Rocket2DMn> when you Preview it doesnt update the page yet, but after you click submit it does
[02:36] <Rocket2DMn> there is no approval process
[02:36] <Junowat> oh I see.
[02:36] <Rocket2DMn> if somebody were to royally mess up a page, it can be rolled back to an older revision
[02:36] <Junowat> oh okay
[02:36] <Junowat> so then "anyone" can edit the wiki.ubuntu.com pages?
[02:36] <Junowat> I was looking to join that particular team.
[02:36] <Rocket2DMn> the same is true on the (more official) community docs at help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:37] <Junowat> speaking of which, how do I join the docs team?
[02:37] <Junowat> I do a lot of documentation in my career
[02:37] <Rocket2DMn> the actual official system docs are at help.ubuntu.com , and to edit those you need to commit changes to the ubuntu-docs bzr branch.  for that you need training and to have permissions
[02:37] <Junowat> oh I see
[02:37] <Junowat> okay
[02:37] <Junowat> fair enough
[02:38] <Junowat> well then I have no problems
[02:38] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/WikiTeam
[02:38] <Rocket2DMn> that is the team for working on the community docs, you dont have to be on it, but if you do like to contribute, its nice to be there.
[02:39] <Rocket2DMn> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki
[02:39] <Rocket2DMn> its a subteam of ubuntu-doc
[02:39] <Rocket2DMn> if you want to be on the doc-team, then you apply for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc-students
[02:39] <Junowat> I see that now.
[02:40] <Junowat> well that's great
[02:41] <Junowat> is there any rule of thumb for what I need to do to join this team?
[02:41] <Rocket2DMn> you should have a smal portfolio of pages that youve worked on that you can show the team admins
[02:41] <Rocket2DMn> there is a section on the WikiTeam wiki page
[02:42] <Rocket2DMn> Applying to the WikiTeam
[02:42] <Rocket2DMn> you should also get on the mailing list
[02:42] <Rocket2DMn> there is a pretty in depth set of pages on the team wiki for the doc-team and its subteams - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[02:43] <Junowat> I got it all now
[02:44] <Junowat> thanks for your help
[02:44] <Junowat> there is so much info there
[02:44] <Junowat> It is sometimes hard to find it all
[02:44] <Junowat> <tree search>
[02:44] <Rocket2DMn> no problem, i understand
[02:44] <Junowat> thanks a bunch Rocket2DMn
[02:45] <Junowat> Is that a "honeymooners" reference?
[02:45] <Rocket2DMn> no
[02:46] <Rocket2DMn> its not a reference to anything, its just an old name that stuck
[02:46] <Junowat> ha okay (gave it a shot)
[02:46] <Junowat> thanks again
[02:46] <Rocket2DMn> no problem man
[21:21] <icheyne> hi all
[21:21] <icheyne> I tried to add some tags to the wiki, but they won't load when I refresh the wiki page
[21:21] <icheyne> have they been disabled or something?