 so what is happening with the KC elections? valorie's email said nominations closed on August 3rd
[19:23] <valorie> not sure what happened to @Sick_Rimmit
[19:23] <valorie> maybe ping him directly in tg?
[19:23] <valorie> i'm in the middle of a meeting.....
 @Sick_Rimmit ^^
[19:25] <valorie> basically have to close nominations and set up an election
[19:25] <valorie> maybe on lp since there is only one nom per position
[19:26] <valorie> that
[19:26] <valorie> s super easy


[01:06] <drab> that issue of boot being stuck on /dev/sda1 is an annoying one that bit me in the past
[01:06] <drab> and it's not KVM specific
[01:07] <drab> it happens on baremetal too for me
[01:07] <drab> and indeed it's just a vt problem, hit alt-f1 and you have the login prompt, so nothing is actually stuck
[01:07] <drab> can't figure out even what promt that is, becaue I can't back to it with any of the F keys
[01:12] <dpb1> drab: do you have a picture/video of the issue?
[09:38] <rbasak> xnox: why sftp?
[09:39] <xnox> rbasak, because it is encrypted, unlike annonymous ftp. And people should not be uploading security/embargoed/nda packages over unencrypted (default) channels.
[09:45] <rbasak> Is that the only encrypted channel available? Is HTTPS available, for example?
[09:53] <rbasak> nacc: I think that's in our roadmap?
[09:53] <rbasak> (yes)
[12:21] <friendlyguy> hi there! i am wondering which is the right config file for mariadb on 16.04.3
[12:22] <friendlyguy> there is conf.d as well as mariadb.conf.d
[12:23] <friendlyguy> is it mariadb.conf.d/50-server.cnf ?
[12:39] <rbasak> Frickelpit: mariadb.conf.d for MariaDB-specific configuration. In case you have a MySQL client installed as well, for example.
[12:40] <rbasak> Though that combination will likely break things, separating the configuration allows you to switch more easily.
[12:44] <Frickelpit> rbasak: no, i use postgresql but thanks for the hint ;)
[12:46] <rbasak> Oh I'm sorry.
[12:47] <rbasak> That was for friendlyguy, who has left. Autocomplete failure.
[12:47] <Frickelpit> np :)
[12:48] <tomreyn> of course he left -you didnt repsond within 60s!
[12:48] <tomreyn> ok 120
[12:54] <rbasak> Never mind. I'm only the Debian MySQL maintainer who wrote the MySQL/MariaDB configuration file management mechanism for Debian and Ubuntu :)
[13:11] <adac> Guys, how do I completely clean iptables (iptables-persistent)?
[13:19] <sdeziel> adac: if you want to stop applying any firewall rules, purging the iptables-persistent package and rebooting should do what you want
[13:19] <adac> sdeziel, ok Trying to purge it then, thanks
[13:20] <sdeziel> adac: hmm, there is an easier way: service netfilter-persistent stop
[13:21] <sdeziel> (or iptables-persistent)
[13:21] <adac> sdeziel, what happesn when I restart service iptables-persistent start again?
[13:22] <sdeziel> adac: it will bring the old rules back
[13:22] <sdeziel> adac: stopping the service purges the currently loaded rules and ACCEPT everything
[13:22] <adac> sdeziel, hmm I see. Yeah I woulld like to have a command where I can erase these old rules from iptables-persstent
[13:23] <sdeziel> adac: like erase and start fresh or erase and get rid of iptables?
[13:24] <adac> sdeziel, like completey wipe out all rules
[13:24] <sdeziel> adac: OK then stop the service and purge the package
[13:25] <adac> sdeziel, kk Will do that. thank you!
[13:25] <sdeziel> np
[14:45] <nacc> rbasak: i meant it is in 'future', which to me is still nebulous :)
[14:48] <rbasak> nacc: we could move it to 1.0 I suppose. I think we should do it soon, but whether it should be 1.0 or a 1.1 is debatable I think.
[14:48] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, it feels like the importer is the only 1.0 goal -- everythig else (cli changes, etc, which are independent of the hashes) are now get done whenever, but not blocking 1.0
[14:49] <nacc> rbasak: or were we talking about different "it"s?
[14:50] <rbasak> nacc: I agree
[15:31] <rbasak> nacc: https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+ref/commit-graph-v2
[15:31] <rbasak> nacc: you want a resubmit MP for that?
[15:32] <nacc> rbasak: i think that would be good, as it will trigger a jenkins ru
[15:33] <rbasak> OK I'll do it now.
[15:33] <nacc> rbasak: you may eed to rebase onto latest master?
[15:33] <nacc> *rebase
[15:34] <nacc> that doesn't affect the jenkins run, but will affect the meaing of the result and the actual merge :)
[15:34] <rbasak> Oh
[15:35] <rbasak> I did the MP already.
[15:35] <nacc> rbasak: it's ok
[15:35] <rbasak> I can rebase and force push. Will that work?
[15:35] <rbasak> https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/332925
[15:35] <nacc> rbasak: yep
[15:35] <nacc> rbasak: it might lead to two jenkins jobs, but that's ok
[15:41] <rbasak> OK rebased and pushed. I had a few merge conflicts but I think I resolved them correctly.
[15:42] <nacc> rbasak: thanks
[16:13] <andreas> is it common to have fakeroot in the build-depends bit of d/control?
[16:13] <andreas> I have debhelper already, and everything else I need, but dpkg-buildpackage is complaining that fakeroot isn't installed
[16:13] <andreas> I thougnt it would be installed indirectly, but maybe I have been installing devscripts too often
[16:13] <andreas> this is on zesty
[16:15] <nacc> andreas: dpkg-dev recommends fakeroot
[16:15] <andreas> I have it, but didn't have fakeroot
[16:16] <andreas> debhelper pulled in dpkg-dev
[16:16] <nacc> andreas: i believe you can pass -r to tell it to use something other than fakeroot
[16:16] <nacc> which is why it's a recommends and not a depends
[16:16] <andreas> so every source package out there that does not have fakeroot in the build-depends list can only be built with a -r parameter?
[16:17] <andreas> or maybe our builders install recommends by default?
[16:17] <nacc> andreas: dunno
[20:18] <hallyn> rharper: around?
[20:18] <hallyn> is 'qemu-nbd -c' supposed to be reliable, i.e. not return until /dev/nbd0 is really available?
[20:19] <rharper> hallyn:
[20:19] <rharper> it's not
[20:19] <rharper> we had a bug in mount-image-callback related to that
[20:19] <rharper> some race between the kernel and the dm layer IIRC
[20:22] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1628336
[20:22] <rharper> some folks use udevadm settle inbetween qemu-nbd -c and whatever else they want to run
[20:22] <rharper> hallyn:
[20:28] <hallyn> rharper: is udevadm settle reliable for that?
[20:28] <hallyn> if so, excellent
[20:28] <rharper> I think the blkdev reread in the bug is better
[20:28] <hallyn> looking,
[20:29] <rharper> udevadm settle just pokes to see if any events need processing, where as the reread is more likely what's needed
[20:29] <hallyn> rharper: so with that you think it woudl be reliable?  Debating whether to spend the time doing loopback with offset mounts...
[20:29] <hallyn> if nbd will ever fail then it's worth it, ...
[20:29] <rharper> why not kpartx ?
[20:30] <hallyn> well i dunno,
[20:30] <rharper> you need nbd to do format to block device, then you need the kernel to probe for partitiions etc, and the kpartx will map the partitions to md (doing the offsets for you)
[20:30] <rharper> s/do format/translate format
[20:30] <rharper> have you looked at mount-image-callback ?
[20:30] <rharper> in cloud-image-utils
[20:31] <hallyn> hm.
[20:31] <rharper> it's most certainly going to be what you want
[20:31] <rharper> lets you mount up images, and chroot to run stuff in them, it supporst bind mounting system mount points inside and copying in/setup/cleanup resolv.conf so you can apt-update, etc
[20:31] <hallyn> i have LVM lvs on partition 2...
[20:32] <hallyn> if blockdev --rereadpt /dev/nbd0 is going to work...
[20:32] <rharper> should be fine, kpartx will do the right thing;  do your qemu-nbd, then kpartx -l /dev/nbd0; it'll show you the mounts it'll make
[20:33] <rharper> pretty sure m-i-c handles lvm inside as well
[20:34] <rharper> well, maybe just the kpartx; I can't say I've tried m-i-c with lvms inside; but kpartx will work for you (instead of your doing the offset mount yourself)
[20:34] <hallyn> a veritable menu of options :)
[20:35] <hallyn> so kpartx should end up faster than using nbd i assume
[20:35] <sdeziel> hallyn: "kpartx -s" will wait for the partitions to be created before returning
[20:35] <rharper> well, you need qemu-nbd if you have non-raw
[20:35] <rharper> if you have a raw then just kpartx
[20:36] <rharper> if you have qcow2 or vmdk or someother non-raw format that needs translated then you need qemu-nbd
[20:37] <hallyn> just raw
[20:37] <hallyn> thanks rharper and sdeziel !
[20:38] <sdeziel> np
[20:39] <hallyn> (actually i'll probably switch to qcow2 anyway to not have to worry about maintaining sparse file)
[20:40] <rharper> no!!!
[20:40] <hallyn> i half expected that reaction
[20:40] <rharper> do you want your data or not?
[20:40] <hallyn> well , you know ,
[20:40] <hallyn> kinda
[20:40] <rharper> =)
[20:41] <sdeziel> qcow2 eats data?
[20:41] <rharper> it's complicated but qcow2 is not a simple format;  years ago we pushed on a simpler format that just did cow and a few other things
[20:42] <sdeziel> qed?
[20:42] <rharper> the metadata modification was large overhead to the format for high performance io; subsequently upstream qcow2 maintainers did a ton of work to clean up and improve performance which has made a huge diff
[20:42] <rharper> yea, qed
[20:42] <rharper> that pushed the buttons to get qcow2 into shape
[20:42] <hallyn> but did qed ever get var enough to be usable?
[20:43] <rharper> absolutely
[20:43] <rharper> it was raw + cow
[20:43] <hallyn> right i thought qed pushed qcow2 to be usable, and now qcow2 was acceptable
[20:43] <rharper> the format is still complicated
[20:43] <hallyn> ok
[20:43] <sdeziel> thx for the info. Personally I only use zvols or LVs
[20:44] <hallyn> well raw makes it easier to twiddle teh data later so i'll heed yoru warning and stick with that anyway
[20:44] <rharper> you can look at the internal coroutines needed to handle metadata writes;  I'm an always raw person
[20:44] <hallyn> just trying to decide whether to try figuring out how to use kpartx for this
[20:44] <rharper> kpartx -va /path/to/raw; mount /dev/mapper/loopNp3 /foo
[20:44] <hallyn> or just use blockdev which is working .
[20:44] <rharper> umount /dev/mapper/loopNp3 ; kpartx -vd /path/to/raw
[20:45] <hallyn> that sounds ideal
[20:45] <rharper> I think for lvms you get different names under mapper
[20:45] <rharper> but you'll see it
[20:45] <rharper> kpartx -l /path/to/raw will show you what it'll add without doing it
[20:45] <hallyn> ideally i'd have an easily parsable output line to tell me which loop device to use;
[20:45] <hallyn> but i'll play with it.
[20:45] <hallyn> thanks again!
[20:47] <rharper> it does
[20:48] <hallyn> it looks like it gives a lot of output, but i shoudl be able to do | grep loop | head -1 | awk ...
[20:50] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25832415/
[20:51] <rharper> that's some bash I had when parsing the output for picking out partitions
[20:52] <hallyn> fmt is new to me
[20:52] <hallyn> nice
[20:55] <hallyn> rharper: but you're doing udevadm settle there?
[20:56] <sdeziel> hallyn: I'm pretty sure you can skip that by using kpartx -vas
[20:59] <hallyn> yeah the manpage sure suggests so :)  thx
[21:00] <rharper> yeah, old code; could/should have used -s
[21:38] <DaddyEric> hey got a quick question, i installed ubuntu server minimum server for vmware
[21:38] <DaddyEric> i cannot seem to get a #!/bin/bash script working
[21:39] <DaddyEric> and yes in the bash script it has sudo before the commands
[21:39] <DaddyEric> has anyone had this problem before, and yes i did search
[21:40] <sarnold> what errors are you getting?
[21:41] <nacc> DaddyEric: your statements don't seem to go together (logically, to me)
[21:41] <DaddyEric> sudo: unable to execute ./multicraft-setup.sh: No such file or directory
[21:41] <DaddyEric> Hangup
[21:41] <nacc> DaddyEric: care to pastebin the script?
[21:41] <nacc> DaddyEric: and presuambly the directory you are running it in's `ls -ahl`, if you are using relative executionn in your script
[21:41] <DaddyEric> https://hastebin.com/gutecaheza.txt
[21:41] <DaddyEric> yes it in fact is
[21:42] <nacc> DaddyEric: is this ... a hack to not use ansible or any number of other system management tools?
[21:42] <nacc> DaddyEric: 1) you are using /bin/sh, not /bin/bash
[21:42] <DaddyEric> yes i changed that
[21:42] <DaddyEric> and it still does not work
[21:43] <nacc> DaddyEric: 2) i see no mention of multicraft-setup.sh
[21:43] <sarnold> not you're not using /bin/sh but bin/sh
[21:43] <nacc> sarnold: ha! :)
[21:43] <DaddyEric> i know that i tried both
[21:43] <sarnold> try changing #!bin/sh to #!/bin/sh
[21:43] <rsx> DaddyEric: dos it have execution flag? i.e. chmod +x
[21:43] <DaddyEric> i would not be here if it didnt
[21:44] <nacc> DaddyEric: ok, no need to be short, you came here for help :)
[21:44] <sarnold> DaddyEric: line 78 looks suspect
[21:44] <nacc> DaddyEric: can you pastebin the exact command you ran and the exact output
[21:44] <sarnold> DaddyEric: change the 'sudo cd' to 'cd
[21:44] <nacc> DaddyEric: also line 73
[21:44] <sarnold> DaddyEric: line 73 too
[21:44] <nacc> I feel like this script seems pretty .. bad
[21:44]  * sarnold ^5s nacc
[21:44] <nacc> way too much sudo
[21:44] <sarnold> aye
[21:45] <DaddyEric> i do that in case the user perms does not have permission for that directory
[21:45] <sarnold> it's better to just make the user run sudo ./script
[21:45] <DaddyEric> yes and i have tried all of that
[21:45] <nacc> DaddyEric: still no invocation or exact output
[21:45] <DaddyEric> i would not be here asking for help if i did not know how to do that
[21:46] <DaddyEric> i try sudo ./multicraft-setup.sh
[21:46] <nacc> DaddyEric: also, consider using #!/bin/bash -x (or calling it with /bin/bash -x /path/to/script) so we can see what lie it's failig at
[21:46] <DaddyEric> and i get the bad filename
[21:46] <sarnold> nacc: good idea
[21:46] <nacc> DaddyEric: `ls -ahl .`
[21:47] <nacc> DaddyEric: it does't say 'bad filename', it was tryign to run bin/sh before, probably
[21:47] <nacc> DaddyEric: show us the *current* script and the exact execution output
[21:47] <DaddyEric>  it does not do the apt commands before it
[21:47] <nacc> DaddyEric: what?
[21:48] <nacc> DaddyEric: give the output requested.
[21:48] <DaddyEric> https://hastebin.com/wavebahuxo.txt
[21:48] <sarnold> $'update\r'
[21:48] <nacc> DaddyEric: and the exact script /home/dtsmc/multicraft-setup.sh
[21:48] <DaddyEric> why is it doing that?
[21:49] <DaddyEric> i already pasted that
[21:49] <nacc> DaddyEric: no, you did not
[21:49] <nacc> uless you left it at bin/sh
[21:49] <DaddyEric> https://hastebin.com/icupabakoh.txt
[21:49] <sarnold> you didn't happen to write this thing on a windows machine did you?
[21:49] <nacc> DaddyEric: seriously.
[21:49] <nacc> DaddyEric: ow it says #!bin/bash
[21:49] <nacc> DaddyEric: which is wrog
[21:49] <nacc> *wrong
[21:49] <DaddyEric> it is copied exactly from a working script
[21:49] <nacc> DaddyEric: that script was wrong too
[21:49] <DaddyEric> and yes i used notepad++ to write it
[21:50] <nacc> DaddyEric: i don't really care if it worked
[21:50] <nacc> DaddyEric: well don't do that
[21:50] <nacc> DaddyEric: `file /home/dtsmc/multicraft-setup.sh`
[21:50] <nacc> DaddyEric: it's probably got embedded windows line endings
[21:51] <DaddyEric> multicraft-setup.sh: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
[21:51] <DaddyEric> how do i remove them?
[21:52] <DaddyEric> convert to asni right?
[21:52] <nacc> dos2unix, iirc
[21:53] <nacc> DaddyEric: and fix the shebang to be the correct path
[21:55] <DaddyEric> multicraft-setup.sh: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable
[21:55] <DaddyEric> thats the output from file
[21:55] <nacc> DaddyEric: oh, now provide the output from -x again
[21:55] <DaddyEric> there we go simple fix
[21:55] <DaddyEric> its working now
[21:56] <nacc> DaddyEric: ok
[21:56] <DaddyEric> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="consoleblank=0"
[21:56] <DaddyEric> is that correct for disabling the console blanking


[00:14] <walt> I am a 6 year Kubuntu User.  How do I begin to contribute here?
[00:14] <walt> Do I just stay on and try to answer questions?
[00:16] <patarok_> trying to run some bash scriptery at the end of /etc/bash.bashrc... it runs in a loop . why?
[00:18] <patarok_> walt: ping
[00:18] <walt> Without seeing your script I can't do much.
[00:19] <walt> I have done some bash scripting.  Mainly for backups
[03:23] <BionicMac> This may be a question better suited for #kde, but it has been a void in #kde. Has anyone experieced "auto-hide" for the panel just stop working?
[03:24] <BionicMac> I mean it is selected, when I reboot it works, for a while, then stops hiding.
[04:39] <newi3> New to IRC
[04:39] <newi3> I see on the #kubuntu channel many people signed in.
[05:52] <SzykCech> Is this posible to configure my Kubuntu to automount all shared drives from all hosts in my local area network?!?
[05:53] <walt> without first knowing what shares are available.  You mean search for broadcasts and connect to all?
[05:53] <walt> Without an fstab entry?
[05:54] <ricktimmis[m]> Good morning, yes that is possible, but must be done in /etc/fstab
[05:54] <walt> I thought so
[05:54] <ricktimmis[m]> Using auto directive
[05:54] <ricktimmis[m]> See man fstab from command line
[05:55] <walt> But you need to list each one.  fstab won't go looking and find ones that are not listed.
[05:56] <genii> Additionally, automounting network shares in fstab is not such a great idea if one or more are not always available
[05:57] <walt> yes.  can lockup your file manager everytime one disconnects
[05:58] <SzykCech> Yes. Not all machines are available all the time. But I want fully automated search and mounting with out manualy tuned /etc/fstab
[05:59] <walt> which kubuntu are you on
[05:59] <walt> There are other ways to automount network drives
[05:59] <SzykCech> 18.04
[06:00] <SzykCech> I must notice, that all hosts in local area network have IPs from DHCP so they IP can vary from one day to another...
[06:00] <ricktimmis[m]> How about scripting using mount, test the networks, then mount them, you could even use a systems wrapper
[06:00] <ricktimmis[m]> Bit more complex but doable
[06:01] <ricktimmis[m]> Forget it, on DHCP
[06:01] <walt> Definitely doable with a simple script.  Easier if you assign ips to all machines serving shares.
 there is great tool named autofs
 I would advise to llok into it
[06:02] <walt> If you know list of all IPs in DHCP you could have a script try to mount all of them with a short timeout.  It could then constantly cycle through them
[06:02] <genii> Conceivably some script can be made by parsing the output of nbtscan <IP_ADDRESS>/24 ( or whatever your LAN range is) into the mount command
[06:02] <SzykCech> I think auto mount every shared disk is very common taks, so mabye is it covered by some article on the Internet?
[06:03] <walt> probably
[06:03] <walt> How many computers roughly
 I'm using it to mount my NAS share that is not always available
[06:03] <SzykCech> 2 besides mine...
[06:04] <walt> That ought to be straighforward.  Plus one to autofs
 In my Antergos installtion there is even script for this … /etc/autofs/auto.net
 And in Kubuntu it is /etc/auto.net
[06:07] <SzykCech> I don't konw DHCP as is Wi-Fi net governed by router. So probably I am forced to scan all 255 adreses from <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[06:08] <SzykCech> I don't konw DHCP adresses as is Wi-Fi net governed by router. So probably I am forced to scan all 255 adreses from <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[06:09] <genii> Are these other machines running Windows, or Linux?
[06:09] <walt> If you have access to the two pcs besides your own can you sent their ips to static.  I do that all the time.  I set a static on the high end of DHCP.  Router knows nothing and gives it that address every time.
[06:09] <SzykCech> One runs Windows 10, other Kubuntu 17.10.
[06:10] <walt> Pretty sure both can be configured for static ip addresses even within the range of DHCP
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:10]  * genii slides lordievader a fresh coffee
[06:11] <SzykCech> I want avoid static IPs, because there can appear some other PCs like my brother laptop, or mobile phones.
[06:12] <lordievader> Thanks genii
[06:12] <genii> The better way is to use your dhcp server to always give a specific machine's MAC a specific IP
[06:12] <user|91649> is it cheaper
[06:13] <genii> Then you don't have to care what other things connect to it
[06:13] <lordievader> genii: +1 for the better way.
[06:13] <lordievader> Have a pool for known macs and another for unkown macs.
[06:15] <walt> I think he doesn't have access to the router giving out addresses.  If he does its super easy
[06:16] <user|91649> its hard for me
[06:16] <SzykCech> I don't think my router shares any data in some reasonable way...
[06:17] <user|91649> on my Dolphin how do I remove the 'Recently Saved' on the left side?
[06:17] <user|91649> I don't want my latest saved porn to show up there
[06:22] <walt> I think you can hide it in the right click menu.  But not permanently remove it.
[06:23] <walt> In the config file for dolphin you may be able to permanently remove it.
[06:36] <nlsthzn> funky thing happening, installed pulseaudio:i386 for a wine-wrapped game, but it then uninstalled pulseaudio (64-bit) and when re-installing pulseaudio it removes pulseaudio:i386... ?
[06:42] <walt> What version of kubuntu are you on
[06:42] <walt> Do you have multiarch installed.  I suppose you do if you have wine installed.
[06:42] <nlsthzn> 18.04
[06:43] <nlsthzn> just run sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 to ensure and still the same issue
[06:44] <nlsthzn> but if memory serves the same thing happened in ubuntu 18.04 beta
[06:44] <walt> OK.  I don't have my kubuntu machines on 18.04 yet.  Must be a dependency.  I am sure that you can run most everything with the i386 version.
[06:46] <nlsthzn> nope no sound in kubuntu if I reboot after installing the 32-bit version... have to re-install 64-bit and reboot
[06:46] <nlsthzn> or re-start sound sub system which I don't know how to :p
[06:47] <walt> Well done trying
[06:48] <walt> I thought you could have both installed.
[06:48] <nlsthzn> me too : / it was possible
[06:53] <walt> What about installing another sound server for the game.  Install only the 32bit version of that one.
[06:53] <walt> Just a guess
[07:00] <lordievader> nlsthzn: Restarting pulseaudio is as simple as issueing `pulseaudio -k`, per default it respawns.
[07:02] <nlsthzn> lordievader: ah ok... will save me to reboot after having installed the 32-but version to play and having to reboot again
[07:03] <nlsthzn> still not solving the actual issue
[07:04] <lordievader> What is the actual issue? No sound?
[07:07] <nlsthzn> with 64 bit pulse installed I have audio in kubuntu. when I want sound in wine-wrapped game I first have to install pulseaudio:i386. then it works but it un-instals 64-bit version of pulseaudio. sound works fine until a reboot then kde has no sound.
[07:07] <nlsthzn> then I re-install 64-bit version and reboot and have sound
[07:07] <nlsthzn> but re-installing 64bit version uninstalls 32-bit version again
[07:07] <nlsthzn> can't have both installed at same time
[07:07] <nlsthzn> which is odd
[07:15] <lordievader> Their libraries probably conflict with eachother. The rest of the system is probably build against the 64bit version, which would explain why it works until a reboot.
[07:15] <lordievader> You can't let wine do ALSA instead?
[07:15] <walt> or Jack?
[07:16] <nlsthzn> lordievader: above my pay grade... I just know that if pulseI386  is installed I can play and hear sound :p (this is a custom wine-wrapper,  I don't have wine from repo's installed
[07:18] <lordievader> Hmm, how do you install it?
[07:18] <walt> It could be that winehq-stable from the repo can use the 64bit version in 32bit games?
[07:18] <walt> From the wine official ppa that is.
[07:31] <nlsthzn> well in various distro's there was no issue... so far only in ()ubuntu 18.04. arch bases distro's no issues.
[07:31] <nlsthzn> oh well
[07:32] <nlsthzn> minor inconvenience
[07:32] <nlsthzn> just have to write a scipt to install 32-bit launch game and then on exit install 64 bit
[07:33] <nlsthzn> unlimted cap at the moment so not an issue
[08:02] <nlsthzn> >.< stupid question. installed gimp and saw it is 2.8.22. used flatpack to install gimp 2.10. so I can launch gimp 2.8.22 but not sure where and how to run gimp 2.10
[08:03] <diogenes_> nlsthzn, afaik flatpaks store their stuff in /var/lib/flatpak******
[08:03] <diogenes_> so look there
[08:06] <nlsthzn> found the files diogenes_ thanks
[08:06] <diogenes_> yw
[08:06] <nlsthzn> can't seem to do much with them .... trying to run the file gives me bash: ./gimp-2.10: No such file or directory
[08:07] <nlsthzn> I have no experience with flatpaks... only messes with snaps a bit before
[08:07] <diogenes_> nope nope tthey have a different way to launch their applications
[08:07]  * nlsthzn does le google
[08:09] <nlsthzn> for great success \ o/
[08:09] <diogenes_> nlsthzn, try this: flatpak run org.gimp.GIMP
[08:09] <nlsthzn> thanks diogenes_that is what I did ^_^
[08:09] <diogenes_> good :)
[08:10] <nlsthzn> and off course the icons are huge... none of these container type things seem to have figures out how to get the interfaces to allign with the underlaying systems
[08:10] <diogenes_> try to close and re-open
[08:12] <nlsthzn> same...
[08:12] <nlsthzn> then again I have had issues with dpi etc. on my set-up for years
[08:12] <nlsthzn> gnome seems to work better than KDE...
[08:13] <nlsthzn> but mostly sorted out now. except for this
[08:25] <nlsthzn> well that is odd... now sound works without pusle i386 installed >.<
[08:25] <nlsthzn> oh well ... lets go!
[11:23] <otomo> I finally solved my problem with Nvidia, thanks to devtalk nvidia forum member Generix: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1033140/linux/kubuntu-18-04-gives-black-screen-when-sddm-starts-no-login-/?offset=12#5256783
[11:24] <otomo> thanks to all the people here that tried to help too
[11:26] <otomo> hope that info is usefull to anyone that have the same problem (18.04 upgraded with nvidia in a optimus laptop)
[11:27]  * lordievader bookmarks link
[13:08] <astrodn> Sometimes my track pad scrolling stops working. Does anyone else experience this or know how to fix it?
[13:47] <hateball> astrodn: and you're not typing?
[13:47] <hateball> as touchpad should stop responding while you type
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:23] <astrodn> hateball: No, I am not typing when it happens. The trackpad seems to randomly stop reading only the scroll function.
[16:35] <kenneth> need help
[16:37] <kenneth> is there no one out there
[16:47] <nlsthzn-also> I guess the legendary 3 minute turnaround time on IRC was a lie :'(
[16:50] <BluesKaj> the instant gratification generation
[16:58] <nlsthzn-also> Oh I am very guilty of it myself (but I am not of this generation :p) - It seems to have happened due to this generation perhaps. But it is bad.
[17:06] <nilos> Hi, pkease help
[17:08] <nilos> I installed Kubuntu 18.04 and work with it all Last nigth
[17:08] <nilos> This morning turno on my computar and no start
[17:09] <nilos> It freeze in starting Load/Save Screen backlight
[17:10] <nilos> What is te problem?
[18:35] <jbracker> Hi, I have problem with my microphone in kubuntu. 1. On boot it is not detected. I have to replug it once done with booting. 2. Most of the time (not every time) when I try to use it it just record garbage that sounds as if it is recording to fast.
[18:35] <jbracker> Can anybody help me with this?
[18:36] <jbracker> I tried 2.5.1 to 2.5.5 of this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Static_noise_in_microphone_recording ; but that did not change anything
[18:39] <jbracker> I can't find any help on this online
[18:49] <jbracker> Help, please?
[19:19] <GaiusArelius> Hello, I am new to Kubuntu and KDE plasma.  I am having an issue on two different installs where my window decorations dissapear, I can't switch applications or open new ones, and switching virtual destops doesn't work.  Going through journald doesn't show any errors.  If I use the hamburger in the top right, I can logout and log back in and everything is working again.  Any ideas where to look for what is the cause or what the issue
[19:19] <GaiusArelius> might be?
[19:20] <genii> GaiusArelius: Sometimes this happens if the machine is rebooted instead of powered off/on again
[19:21] <genii> I'm not sure if there's some permanent fix, but this also happens to me on occasion. I usually just restart the windows manager and it works the second time
[19:23] <GaiusArelius> gengii: Thanks. How are you restarting the window manager?  Logging out and back in fixes it, but it usually happens again within an hour.
[19:25] <genii> GaiusArelius: In my case I use ctrl-alt-F1 and log in to command line and then issue: sudo service lightdm restart     ... but you are likely using sddm instead of lightdm
[19:29] <GaiusArelius> gengii:  Thanks.  I will try that.  I hope it helps.  This is happeing at least once every couple hours.
[19:30] <GaiusArelius> I am really liking KDE, but restarting my sessions every hour or so is not fun.
[19:35] <ktecho> Hey there. Does anyone knows of a way to update to latest kde released software in kubuntu 18.04? I mean Kde Apps 18.04 and others. Is there a ppa or something?
[19:36] <ktecho> Somebody asked me why I wanted to update to that. The reason is because they're fixing bugs and adding new functionality and it would be nice to have it
[20:44] <nlsthzn-also> ktecho well there will be some more up to date software later in the backports
[20:44] <nlsthzn-also> you could also look for
[20:44] <nlsthzn-also> PPA's for your fave applications and add them to get them up to date
[20:44] <nlsthzn-also> but please note if you break your install you get to keep both pieces
[21:33] <ktecho> nlsthzn-also: yeah, I don't care if something breaks. But would be nice to have that backports. Last time I looked for kubuntu backports it was only for 17.10
[21:37] <genii> There can only be a backports when there is a release above the one you're currently using, and Cosmic isn't at the point where backports are being done from it yet to previous versions
[21:53] <ktecho> genii: yeah, it makes sense. But then how is new kde software released for a current release of kubuntu?
[21:53] <ktecho> maybe it won't happen?
[22:01] <genii> ktecho: KDE release schedule and Kubuntu release schedules do not coincide. So usually the KDE version which comes with a Kubuntu release is whichever one was last released before final freeze of the *buntu release schedule. Other updates and versions are provided after initial release, first in the  official Kubuntu PPAs and then migrated to the main Ubuntu repositories
[22:02] <nlsthzn-also> ktecho Cosmic Cuttlefish is under development and it will have the latest (or close) to of all software, but it will break hard and often as it is being worked on. LTS releases don't want this. You could try KDE Neon but that too comes with caveates
[22:02] <nlsthzn-also> ninja'd by genii :p
[22:03]  * genii slides nlsthzn-also a fresh mug of tasty Arabica!
[22:04] <keithzg> Hmmm I wonder why every Yakuake theme in GNHS gives me a "The following skin is missing required files." error
[22:05] <nlsthzn-also> *stares* at tea ... *stares* at IRC coffee. Choices-choices
[22:06] <ktecho> genii: official kubuntu ppas
[22:06] <ktecho> that is what i was looking for
[22:06] <ktecho> thanks!
[22:06] <genii> ktecho: From this page, the safe PPAs to add to your system are Backports and Updates https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa  The developers occasionally make a call for testing things in the other more volatile ones there like Experimental
[22:07] <genii> ( or Backports Landing, etc )
[22:07] <ktecho> genii: thanks!
[22:08] <genii> ktecho: Glad to assist
[22:14] <ktecho> :)
[22:36] <MorganQuaiche> hey guys its me
[22:37] <MorganQuaiche> on Dolphin, is it possible to move the "Find" thingy on toolbar to the right
[22:37] <MorganQuaiche> for some reason i can't put anything to the right side of "Control" button (on the toolbar)
[22:48] <MorganQuaiche> hay
[23:11] <schnoodles> Since moving to 18.04 my touchpad tap does not work as a client function and I cant seem to find any option in settings to re-enable it. Has anyone run into this problem ?


[01:59]  * emgent heya
[02:35] <boredandblogging> please digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_68
[02:43] <K_Dallas> Good evening guys! As I have been asking you in the past few days, I am working on a marketing presentation and chosen to discuss Ubuntu, mainly because IMO it has been the logical next step to Linux which nobody else cared to take.
[02:44] <K_Dallas> Since Ubuntu is now, not sure for how long, targeting Servers besides the general public PC and laptops, my question is how would you apply the success recipe for Ubuntu-PC to Ubuntu-Server?
[02:44] <K_Dallas> These two markets are really different and most probably many of apealing features for public might not be apealing to server people at all
[03:23] <Burgundavia> K_Dallas: server is very much the same development focus: making it easy to use while staying secure
[03:25] <K_Dallas> Good evening Burgundavia
[03:26] <K_Dallas> I agree but the problem is that those who are in the business of setting servers and maintaining it are more sophisticated than general public users
[03:27] <K_Dallas> they have their own set of standards and tools and preferences and my understanding is that they are more serious about it so ease-of-use might not be that essential for them AND there is alway the question what is easy and what is not
[03:28] <K_Dallas> but these are all my speculations and I am not an expert in this field so just presenting my questions
[03:28] <K_Dallas> Burgundavia, do you mind if I quote you in the presentation (and in the report) ?
[03:34] <Burgundavia> K_Dallas: go nuts
[03:34] <K_Dallas> lol ;)
[03:34] <Burgundavia> and yes, you can assume certain knowlefdge, but the end result is still the same
[03:34] <Burgundavia> making it easy for an end user, no matter their skill level is the key
[03:35] <K_Dallas> well, i have to change my conclusion and recommendation then ;)
[03:35] <Burgundavia> for a desktop that might be assuming that a user can plugin a usb key, for the server it assumes a small amount of commandline knowledge and some domain specific knowledge that is general to the type of server you are setting up, if not to the specific program you are using
[03:42] <K_Dallas> Since server is not what I do, not even for fun, I never noticed that Ubuntu was active there.  How long have you been targeting servers and how successful it has been with the users?
[03:42] <Burgundavia> the first server edition was for Hoary, 5.04
[03:43] <Burgundavia> the server team, as a Canonical entity, did not exist until earlier this year
[03:43] <Burgundavia> the challenge is that of Ubuntu being pigeon-holed into a "desktop distro", rather than a good distro for both
[03:43]  * emgent heya
[03:49] <K_Dallas> Burgundavia, I think I am lost here.  Do you mean you want Ubuntu to be perceived as a desktop distro which is capable of setting servers as easily as it could be used to set up a personal desktop computer? or that I am totally wrong
[03:50] <Burgundavia> no, I am saying we are perceived as a desktop distro
[03:50] <Burgundavia> our goal is to be as easy to use on the server as the desktop
[03:52] <K_Dallas> i see
[03:53] <K_Dallas> so you are basically using the market segmentation and targeting a whole new segment which is exciting.
[03:54] <K_Dallas> (BTW, I noticed that you are from Canada.  I live near Montreal :)
[03:57] <Burgundavia> ah, right near Canonical's main support HQ
[04:00] <desertc> K_Dallas: You realize that even Windows uses the same code base for servers and desktops, right?
[04:00] <K_Dallas> desertc, yes, my view is from a marketing stand
[04:00] <desertc> You seemed surprised that the Ubuntu desktop code could be used for servers.
[04:00] <K_Dallas> you could sell the _same_ product to different segments with diff price tag and ...
[04:01] <K_Dallas> desertc, lol not really but my surprise was from the fact that i always saw ubuntu as a desktop and with an edge of being easy for everybody, even grammas
[04:02] <K_Dallas> targeting servers, is as i wrote earlier, going towards a totally new part of the market
[04:02] <K_Dallas> and requires different marketing strategy, or seems so
[04:03] <K_Dallas> Burgundavia, where exactly is the support HQ in montreal, do you have a building there?
[04:09] <desertc> You've been to ubuntu.com right?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> I am not with Canonical and I have no idea
[04:10] <Burgundavia> desertc: and as for "code sharing", windows is a lot less modular than any Unix system
[04:11] <desertc> Right on their front page there is an explanation of their desktop and server offerings.  On the support link, there is an explanation of their server support.
[04:11] <K_Dallas> desertc, i know that canonical is london based and ... but I saw an old job opening in montreal and i thought there was a support team in montreal as well.
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> K_Dallas: The call center is in Montreal.  MagicFab and mneptok both work there.
[05:13] <K_Dallas> thank you tonyyarusso
[05:14] <K_Dallas> we are expecting a snow storm early tomorrow and that is Montreal ;)
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> K_Dallas: Yeah, you'll be getting some snow all right
[05:16]  * tonyyarusso already had that system pass over - about 6 or 7 inches here (~16cm)
[05:16] <Madpilot> there's snow here in Victoria! It's not supposed to happen here!
[05:16] <K_Dallas> i know, that is global cooling ;)
[05:17] <Madpilot> there's a whole inch of the evil white stuff out at the airport (unless the rain has melted it all already) </outraged Victorian>
[05:27] <K_Dallas> Red Hat Plans to "Own" 50% of Server Market by 2015! That is interesting!
[15:28]  * emgent hi


[04:05] <akiva-thinkpad> hi all
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <dholbach> dpm, thanks for following up on the help-app bug
[08:05] <dholbach> I passed it on to IS
[08:05] <dholbach> and thanks for escalating the issue
[08:06] <dpm> dholbach, no worries :)
[08:06] <dpm> thanks for following it through to publication!
[08:06] <dholbach> :)
[08:45] <dpm> dholbach, davidcalle, while reviewing, I did some minor changes on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/webdm/ too
[08:45] <dpm> I've been moving the important notes I've seen in places, so that they are in visible boxes
[08:46] <dpm> I'll stop reviewing now, will talk to you in a few mins in the call
[08:46] <dholbach> thanks a lot dpm
[08:46] <dholbach> webdm might not be part of the release on thursday
[08:46] <dholbach> so we could probably deemphasise it somewhat
[08:47] <dholbach> or maybe let's move to #snappy
[08:47] <dpm> ah, good point
[08:47] <dpm> davidcalle, can you join us on #snappy too?
[08:55] <uglyandstupid> hey hey
[08:56] <uglyandstupid> Anyone know if it's already planned to handle dynamic language change for the translated text please ?
[09:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if google is our default search engine, shouldn't we ship at least an opensearch xml file for it ?
[09:48] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, we should, although atm custom search engine definitions are searched only in ~/.local/share/webbrowser-app/searchengines/, and we can’t install files there
[09:49] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, we’ll need a way to install definitions system-wide, and have the code that handles that search for definitions in both places
[09:49] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, in the meantime, default values for google are hardcoded in config.h.in
[09:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: apps usually provide their default files in /usr/share/ and then allow overriding or adding more via .local/share or something like that
[09:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: we should probably do that for the opensearch files
[09:50] <oSoMoN> yeah, that’s what we should be doing (and what we will be doing, when we get to it)
[09:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: so not part of what i should be doing now ?
[09:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I don’t think so, that’s out of scope
[09:50] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[10:53] <kalikiana> t1mp: review? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/textDocument/+merge/252798
[11:22] <mhall119> kalikiana: please register for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/ so I can promote you to a track lead
[11:40] <kalikiana> aha so now registration is open
[11:40] <kalikiana> will do
[11:41] <kalikiana> mhall119: done
[11:45] <mhall119> thanks kalikiana
[13:13] <SPEck> Hy all
[13:13] <SPEck> CAn combody help me to fix my computer to write app for Ubuntu Touch
[13:33] <Mirv> dpm: is there a sort of guide of what you were doing with dekko? ie entering click chroot, building something into .click in there? I'd be interested.
[13:34] <Mirv> basically lower level usage of SDK but for apps that are not strictly created with the SDK
[13:35] <dpm> Mirv, it should use the standard SDK procedures, at least that's what I did. So here's how it worked (links to documentation to follow)
[13:35] <dpm> 1. Had the SDK already set up with a 15.04 armhf click chroot
[13:36] <dpm> 2. Checked out dekko -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10861446/
[13:36] <Mirv> 1. check, done via SDK :)
[13:36] <dpm> 3. Opened its top CMakeLists.txt file
[13:36] <dpm> 4. When prompted for a kit on Qt Creator, I chose the one I've got assigned to that click chroot in 1. (I've called my kit "Phone")
[13:37] <dpm> 5. Ensure your click chroot has got this dependencies installed:
[13:37] <dpm> - libqt5webkit5
[13:37] <dpm> - qttools5-dev-tools (that's the one we needed to have installed in the host arch )
[13:38] <Mirv> oh, 3. I didn't realize, too obvious
[13:39] <dpm> 6. Then under the Project tab, set this as the build options:  -DUBUNTU_CLICK_MODE=on -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/
[13:40] <dpm> Mirv, actually, I've told you the wrong order, 5. (install chroot deps) should go before 3.
[13:40] <dpm> as otherwise cmake configuration will fail
[13:41] <Mirv> dpm: for my test I seemingly don't need it, but yes I found "Maintain" now. is it that if you install deps there they "stay" in that kit?
[13:41] <dpm> Mirv, exactly
[13:42] <DanChapman> dpm, i've made it alot simpler now http://paste.ubuntu.com/10861469/ :-D
[13:42] <Mirv> dpm: this is so cool. even though this would fail miserably at the end, I had QtC do something with the project I'm testing on.
[13:43] <dpm> Mirv, also if your project's cmake config fails, you don't need to reload the project every time. On the project explorer, you can right-click on the top item in the tree (generally the project name) and choose the option "Run cmake". That'll re-run cmake, as the name says ;)
[13:43] <Mirv> dpm: that 6. sounds like magical ingredient that would be valuable to be somewhere visible, and it probably is too already somwhere?
[13:43] <dpm> Mirv, unfortunately, that's the only place you can do that, I agree that it's a bit hidden
[13:44] <dpm> DanChapman, wohoo! :-)
[13:44] <Mirv> dpm: I mean somewhere in docs, but I agree it'd be cool to have "clickify cmake" button or such
[13:45] <dpm> Mirv, ah, it's in the docs: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/building-cross-architecture-click-applications/
[13:47] <Mirv> dpm: I don't see UBUNTU_CLICK_MODE or CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX guided in there? or is either of them dekko specific?
[13:48] <dpm> Mirv, yes, it's dekko-specific, but DanChapman was talking about adding this to the cmake file, so that you don't have to specify it every time you check dekko out
[13:50] <Mirv> dpm: ah, ok. but you'd probably need the install prefix anyway if you had some other non-Ubuntuphone CMake project you'd want to try to "port"?
[13:51] <DanChapman> Mirv, one thing i will note. And i've never seen documentatin for is the magin UBUNTU_PROJECT_TYPE and UBUNTU_MANIFEST_PATH cmake variables. You can't build clicks or run on device without them
[13:51] <dpm> Mirv, the idea is that you put it on the cmake file so that it's predefined, but you can always override it if you specify it as -D on the build
[13:51] <DanChapman> s/magin/magic
[13:54] <Mirv> DanChapman: I see, thanks a lot! dekko seems to be a good source of info :)
[13:55] <dpm> Mirv, other apps that you can try for your tests are lp:reminders-app and lp:ubuntu-clock-app, they've also got good cmake setups that can be used as examples
[13:55] <Mirv> I started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Apps/Porting for my notes
[13:58] <Mirv> I would have started looking at this earlier but click chroots are simply not working on my vivid machine, so I'm now using 14.04 virtual machine
[15:43] <_honning_> Hi all, i am developing an app for Ubuntu Phone. But I am having trouble preventing the screen from dimming/locking while doing a simple animation on html5.
[15:44] <_honning_> i was wondering if anybody has been able to turn off  the screen dimming/lock on a html5 app or in a qml app?
[15:44] <nik90> _honning_: curious but how long does the animation run for? since the screen starts dimming only after a minute I guess
[15:44] <nik90> _honning_: apps (qml and html5) dont have permission to prevent screen dimming (yet) unless they are playing a video
[15:45] <ogra_> and there is no way to stop the dimming from an app
[15:45] <_honning_> yes, it runs for 8 minutes
[15:45] <_honning_> so the screen lock turns on after 1 minute if i dont touch the screen
[15:45] <_honning_> nike98: ok, thanks for the information
[15:46] <_honning_> i was hoping something like in android: getWindow().addFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_KEEP_SCREEN_ON);
[15:46] <_honning_> existed but i havent found it....
[15:46] <ogra_> no, it doesnt
[15:46] <_honning_> could i run a video with just the background color as a hack?
[15:47] <nik90> _honning_: right now the ubuntu touch platform rules are more strict than android and as such doesn't allow apps to keep screen on or keep polling in the background
[15:47] <ogra_> you would have to embed it and hook it up to the media-hub ...
[15:47]  * ogra_ has never used HTML5 for apps ... not sure the integration goes that deep actually
[15:49] <_honning_> nik90 and ogra: ok, thanks very much for the information, i will try to see what i can get working
[15:49] <nik90> _honning_: yw
[15:49] <mcphail> nik90: just looking at your post about UCS. I like the idea. Have you made progress? Could this be managed as a simple git repo?
[15:52] <nik90> mcphail: hi..we (myself and stuart) are intending ucs to be more like npm, pip etc where installing something is as easy "ucs install component-name"
[15:52] <nik90> mcphail: just a few days back, stuart added the community channel where *anyone* can upload their component to the store without any sort of review process and maintain it themselves.
[15:55] <mcphail> nik90: you have a working prototype?
[15:55] <nik90> mcphail: yeah for quite a while now. You can find the necessary information at http://ubuntu-component-store.readthedocs.org/
[15:56] <mcphail> nik90: excellent. I'll check it out
[15:56] <nik90> mcphail: you will need to first install ucs in your system and then you can help test uploading a component to the store
[15:56] <nik90> mcphail: let us know how it goes and if anything seems confusing, we can improve those parts.
[15:58] <mcphail> nik90: will do. Thanks!
[16:06]  * nik90 watches the community q&a
[16:21] <mcphail> nik90: do you have coding style guidelines for the UCS (tabs v spaces, camelCase or underscores etc)?
[16:22] <nik90> mcphail: for curated components or community components?
[16:23] <mcphail> nik90: either. Presumably community components should aspire to curated status?
[16:23] <nik90> mcphail: curated components should preferably stick to a common coding style guidelines but I haven't come to decide on that yet. We were first concentrating on getting the infrastructure up and ready.
[16:23] <mcphail> nik90: so the "reformat qml" option in the SDK would be acceptable?
[16:24] <nik90> mcphail: yes that is fine
[16:24]  * mcphail hates camelCase
[16:26] <nik90> mcphail: basically components in the curated store are intended to be candidates for inclusion in the ubuntu-sdk itself..that's our goal..and the ucs curated store sort of is a temporary holding place to show the SDK devs that this is a good component which is liked by the community.
[16:27] <nik90> mcphail: so some components that are just meant to make life easier like a blurred background header which doesnt make sense to be in the SDK is better of in the community store imo.
[16:27] <nik90> mcphail: but yet components in both the curated and community store should strive to provide a good experience to app devs by providing api documentation, tests etc
[17:42] <om26er> t1mp, Hi!
[17:43] <om26er> t1mp, have the header changed recently ?
[18:01] <t1mp> om26er: yes
[18:01] <t1mp> om26er: a lot of changes. What are you interested in?
[18:02] <om26er> t1mp, ah, good. I love them :)
[18:02] <om26er> t1mp, I was a testing a silo, just wanted to make sure it was not regressing something
[18:02] <t1mp> om26er: ah, you are talking about the updated visuals? Yes those changes landed today.
[18:02] <t1mp> om26er: there will be more :)
[18:03] <om26er> t1mp, do you have designs for the improvements somewhere ? or is that tracked in bug reports ?
[18:05] <t1mp> om26er: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1wZ09SVZPwwJOccG4Rqu5JaHDuWw051oSKjf0uJHUyO8/edit#slide=id.g8d903971d_010
[18:50] <nik90> t1mp: are those new header visuals part of 1.2?
[18:50]  * nik90 hopes they are ... pls pls pls
[19:32] <SturmFlut> Does anybody use the SDK on an Ubuntu 15.04 desktop? It seems quite broken for me, from incorrect font sizes to crashing tools.
[19:44] <nik90> SturmFlut: I have a development 15.04 laptop that seems to be fine with the latest updates.
[19:44] <nik90> SturmFlut: when did these issues start for you?
[19:47] <SturmFlut> nik90: They started immediately after upgrading to 15.04 a couple of days ago. When starting the SDK I always immediately get a crash report from the click tool. The main UI is fine, but all the Qt file dialogs have way too large fonts. I just created a new "QML with C++ plugin" project and qmlpluginscan crashes on every run.
[19:48] <nik90> SturmFlut: I have noticed the crash report from the click tool, but tbh I occasionally do get that on my main 14.04 machine as well
[19:48] <SturmFlut> nik90: I already tried deleting all the configuration files, to no avail.
[19:48]  * nik90 checks the Qt file dialogs
[19:49] <nik90> hmm it looks normal to me
[19:50] <SturmFlut> nik90: http://i.imgur.com/OZdID0j.png
[19:51] <nik90> oh..that's bad
[19:55] <SturmFlut> nik90: Haha, it's not just the Qt file dialogs, but also some buttons and popups
[19:55] <SturmFlut> At one point a popup fills nearly all of my FullHD screen
[19:56] <nik90> SturmFlut: may be somehow during the upgrade the Qt theme display ratio broke?
[19:57] <SturmFlut> nik90: Yes, something like that. But it looks like all other Qt applications, e.g. qbittorrent, are not affected. Just Qt Creator.
[20:11] <SturmFlut> Argh, not again
[20:11] <SturmFlut> sturmflut@fire:~$ mount | grep schroot | wc -l
[20:11] <SturmFlut> 56
[20:19] <rickspencer3> does anyone else accidentally close the whole emulator sometimes when they are developing?
[20:20] <nik90> rickspencer3: yeah I have done that a couple of times...nowadays I develop using the phone instead
[20:20] <rickspencer3> I guess you never accidentally throw away your phone :)
[20:21] <nik90> hehe no..although I do get distracted and start playing with other apps during my testing :P
[20:37] <mcphail> I've created a type "AutoRangePicker.qml" as per http://paste.ubuntu.com/10863152/ . When I add it to a Row it clamps to the left rather than being laid out correctly. What am I doing wrong?
[20:39] <rickspencer3> does anyone have a good icon for "rename"?
[20:49] <nik90> mcphail: the picker clamps to the left? or the parent item?
[20:50] <mcphail> nik90: actually not sure, tbh. I have a row with Picker, Picker, Picker then AutoRangePicker and it overlays the first Picker...
[20:51] <nik90> mcphail: change item to rectangle with color "lightgreen" or something to see what's happening
[20:51] <nik90> and try anchoring the picker to the bounds of its parent..anchors.fill: parent
[20:57] <mcphail> nik90: context (for what it's worth: only experimenting) at http://paste.ubuntu.com/10863320/ . Adding anchors.fill: parent only breaks the row and gets the console grumbling...
[21:29] <mcphail> nik90: hmm - if I add "width: picker.width height: picker.height" it works. Oh well
[21:30] <nik90> mcphail: hmm yes..otherwise items has 0 width and height..which is why they were overlapping one other
[21:30] <nik90> mcphail: tht's why I usually test with rectangle first before switching to item
[21:31] <mcphail> nik90: yes, that helped. Thanks!
[21:32] <nik90> yw
[23:13] <aquarius> I'm trying to build an app (Beru, as it happens) for the emulator, in Ubuntu SDK. The build fails with error "error: poppler/qt5/poppler-qt5.h: No such file or directory". I assumed this meant that the appropriate library wasn't in the chroot that the build uses, but I've "Manage"d that chroot and apt-get install'ed the package and it still isn't working. What else might I need to do?
[23:15] <aquarius> In particular, /usr/include/poppler/qt5/poppler-qt5.h exists in the chroot.
[23:15] <aquarius> I think I'm changing the correct chroot, but how might I find out if I'm wrong?
[23:17] <aquarius> (note: in Ubuntu SDK, under Build Environment, PATH is set to /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-i386... and /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-i386/usr/include/poppler/qt5/poppler-qt5.h exists, so I'm pretty sure that's right.
[23:18] <nik90> aquarius: hey, do you want to host a session in UOS May 5th-7th about UCS with regards to the new curated and community channels?
[23:19] <aquarius> nik90, I should really, shouldn't I? Sure, why not, let me go and propose a session.
[23:19] <aquarius> however, in return you have to help me with my Dummies Guide To CMake question above :)
[23:20] <nik90> aquarius: lol
[23:22] <nik90> aquarius: considering that you have installed poppler-qt5 in the chroot, I am failing to see why it is failing to build.
[23:22] <aquarius> nik90, me too
[23:22] <aquarius> I mean, I'm not brilliant at this stuff, but that really feels like it ought to work :)
[23:23] <nik90> aquarius: I have a hunch..
[23:23] <popey> you building an armhf binary?
[23:23] <popey> in an armhf chroot? aquarius ^?
[23:23] <nik90> above the green play button, where you choose the kit stuff, see if there is another configuration you can run
[23:24] <nik90> also try what popey said..may be poppler-qt5 build error has to do with i386 and requires additional packages
[23:24] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10863817/
[23:24] <popey> thats what I have in my chroot
[23:25] <popey> note libpoppler-qt5-1:armhf
[23:25] <nik90> hmm true
[23:25] <nik90> aquarius: ^^
[23:25] <aquarius> popey, ah, this is an i386 chroot, or for the emulator
[23:26] <aquarius> nik90, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22439/ubuntu-component-store/ -- it hasn't shown up in the schedule yet, presumably because it needs to be approved
[23:26] <popey> you're building an i386 binary in an i386 chroot for the i386 emulator, right?
[23:26] <nik90> aquarius: yup, time to test if I am the UOS app lead
[23:26] <popey> aquarius: approved
[23:26] <popey> oops
[23:26] <aquarius> popey, I certainly *believe* that that's what I'm doing :)
[23:27] <popey> qtdeclarative5-poppler1.0:i386
[23:27] <popey> do you have that?
[23:27] <aquarius> ah, wait, hang on
[23:27] <aquarius> do I have to install :i386 versions of the packages?
[23:27] <popey> not if it's an i386 chroot
[23:27] <aquarius> I'm in an i386 chroot! does it not know that?
[23:27] <popey> it will do that by default
[23:27] <aquarius> oh, good, OK :)
[23:27] <popey> ignore that bit
[23:27] <popey> just install qtdeclarative5-poppler1.0
[23:28] <aquarius> I have
[23:28] <aquarius> but...
[23:28] <popey> (mine is a 14.10 chroot, you may have a newer poppler)
[23:28] <nik90> aquarius: I see your session. You got any date and time preference?
[23:29] <aquarius> nik90, not tuesday evening UK time
[23:29] <aquarius> other than that, rock and roll.
[23:29] <aquarius> popey, yep, got that
[23:29] <nik90> aquarius: at the moment no session has been scheduled..so all slots free :)
[23:29] <popey> aquarius: lemme try, what we building?
[23:29] <aquarius> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10863833/
[23:29] <aquarius> popey, beru
[23:30] <popey> link?
[23:30] <aquarius> popey, I checked it out of github (https://github.com/rschroll/beru), opened it in Ubuntu SDK (by choosing its cmakefile.txt), chose my emulator build target (which I know works), and... got this error.
[23:30] <popey> lemme try
[23:31] <popey> what version chroot?
[23:31] <aquarius> annoyingly I can't build it for the desktop because it now depends on a newer version of the SDK than 14.04 has :(
[23:31] <aquarius> otherwise I wouldn't bother with all this emulator fannying about :)
[23:31] <nik90> aquarius: I scheduled it for wednesday 18:00 UTC
[23:32] <aquarius> nice one nik90
[23:32] <aquarius> I have added the ical for UOS to my calendar, so I shouldn't miss anything
[23:32] <nik90> popey: btw I doubt we need a dedicated clock app session. No idea what to present/talk about there
[23:32] <aquarius> I assume google calendar re-polls it every now and again :)
[23:33] <nik90> aquarius: it should
[23:33] <popey> well, i added one for each core app
[23:33] <nik90> aquarius: either way when I host it, I will bug you to join it :P
[23:33]  * aquarius laughs
[23:34] <aquarius> nik90, feel free to edit the session description if you think it should be different
[23:36]  * nik90 is annoyed that people keep rating clock 1-2 star after complaining about missing timer/stopwatch
[23:36] <nik90> aquarius: sure..will go through it with a fresh mind tomorrow
[23:40] <popey> hmm
[23:41] <popey> aquarius: fails same way here
[23:43] <popey> ok, docviewer fails in the same way in the same chroot
[23:54] <popey> aquarius: ooh
[23:58] <popey> bah


[00:20]  * Psi-Jack glares at ijohnson
[00:21] <ijohnson> Psi-Jack: ?
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <cpaelzer_> good morning lordievader (and everyone else)
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey cpaelzer_
[07:13] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:14] <cpaelzer_> at this time, trying to get my day under control :-)
[07:33] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: is heather part of your team? I'm a bit confused and worried by the handling of https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1914100
[07:33] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1914100 in Ubuntu Cloud Archive stein "python3-heat-dashboard launch stack fails" [Medium, In Progress]
[11:49] <Hamidreza> Hi, I've changed home directory for my user before changing home directory my shell was colorfull but now when I'm connecting to server it has no color, What should I do for this problem?
[11:49] <Hamidreza> I do this by this command : sudo vipw
[11:58] <juliank> Hamidreza: well you need to copy/move the old dir over, or start from scratch by copying in /etc/skel and and chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[12:05] <Hamidreza> juliank, I didnt catch what you mean
[12:05] <juliank> Hamidreza: You had /home/foo changed location to /bar/foo so you gotta move what was /home/foo to /bar/foo
[12:06] <juliank> or if you want to start from scratch you gotta repopulate it with the home directory skeleton files which are stored in /etc/skel
[12:06] <juliank> these are on most systems
[12:06] <juliank> .bashrc
[12:06] <juliank> .profile
[12:06] <juliank> .bash_logout
[12:07] <juliank> and .bashrc is where colour is configured, if you run bash
[12:08] <Hamidreza> juliank, I must move .bashrc and others?
[12:08] <juliank> yes, you must either move the files from the old dir, or copy the standard ones in from /etc/skel and chown them
[12:09] <Hamidreza> juliank, I have no files in /home/$user
[12:26] <RoyK> Hamidreza: vipw (or vi /etc/passwd, which is what that does) only changes the userdir path, it doesn't move the actual data. to see those files, type 'ls -a'
[12:27] <RoyK> Hamidreza: files with . at the front are hidden
[18:22] <vmax> Is it possible and if so, howto to make a new Install from current ubuntu server  to new  separate hdd?
[18:38] <vegetux> Maybe do the 'classic' installation, but without grub, and make a detection later in the first os to add the second ?
[18:39] <vegetux> (suggestion)
[18:41] <vegetux> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/252936/grub2-boot-to-a-second-another-hard-disk
[18:55] <vmax> vegetux, thanks! Trying to make an install on current running server to separate hdd. Debootstrap and chroot could be the way?
[19:03] <vegetux> you mean debootstrap for install in a subdir, on same hdd, and move it after and chroot?
[19:06] <vegetux> I could be done probably, but you can wait for confirmation ^^'
[19:57] <vmax> vegetux, I'm still looking into it myself, not sure if it's the way to go.
[20:04] <vegetux> maybe do a test in a virtual machine to validate?
[20:04] <vegetux> it's pretty quick
[20:05] <vmax> vegetux, on a separate hdd
[20:06] <vegetux> you make a virtual machine in vmware, or vbox, with 2 virtual hdd
[20:06] <vegetux> you install the os on the first, and test your procedure
[20:11] <vmax> will test
[20:12] <vegetux> in 15mn you will be fixed ^^
[20:13] <vmax> have to leave it for later, but worth testing before any live attempts
[22:25] <xibalba> anyone using SSMTP and getting the email in output? I can't seem to get the subject/from/to portions correct. been trying to use \r\n or just \n in my echo to ssmtp
[22:26] <xibalba> something like this, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rSYsBvDzxh/
[22:28] <sarnold> xibalba: try 'echo -e', or better yet, switch to printf(1)
[22:28] <xibalba> printf on the cli? thought that was a clib call, i'll check it out
[22:29] <xibalba> echo -e ... i wont forget that. thank you!
[22:31] <sarnold> yeah, because echo isn't well-standardized, there's a better printf command that is much more consistent across platforms


[03:01] <lathiat_> Hi Folks.. I have a new installation of MAAS ( 1.8.0+bzr4001-0ubuntu2~trusty1) - when PXE booting to auto enlist it comes up, gets and ip and gets into cloud-init but seems to hang forever and doesn't enlist.  Any suggestions on how I can debug that, not sure how to SSH to the host or what logs to check etc.
[03:01] <lathiat_> previously these hosts were enlisting fine on a 1.7 installation
[03:52] <roaksoax_> lathiat_: 1.check that maas-proxy is running 2. did you set DNS forwarders in the MAAS settings page so they can access archives and so on?
[03:52] <roaksoax_> lathiat_: also, check clusterd.log to see if the machine pxe boots?
[03:52] <roaksoax_> lathiat_: can you show the console of the machine that PXE booted? (kernel paramters and so on)
[03:53] <roaksoax_> lathiat_: it seems that it is getting stuck when trying to access the repositories to download packages
[04:03] <lathiat_> ah ok
[04:03] <lathiat_> the machine definitely pxe boots, i confirmed that much
[04:05] <lathiat_> i can also resolve the archives with local requests to the maas dns server IP
[04:05] <lathiat_> i did however have a proxy that proabbly won't work set at one point, since removed, but i wonder if thats cached somewhere
[04:05] <lathiat_> is there some way to logon to the machine once its half-booted in enlist?
[04:06] <lathiat_> oh.. i also set a custom non official mirror.. i wonder if that is messing up the apt proxy
[04:06] <lathiat_> if its expecting archive.ubuntu or something
[09:15] <bitchecker> hi @ all
[09:15] <bitchecker> can MAAS install also other linux distributions?
[10:50] <secate> Hi there! I'm using MAAS 1.8 and am trying to figure out the best way to override the default settings for the networking preseed data that gets generated when deploying hosts
[10:51] <secate> by default the only interface that gets configured on a node is the one connected to the MAAS server, but I'd also like to get another interface configured by default when deployments happen
[10:53] <secate> I've managed to find the code that generates the curtin network preseed data, but before I started to look where it's getting the config from I figured I should try my luck here
[11:16] <secate> so as an example, eth0 on my nodes are connected to a DHCP network with Internet access that is not managed by MAAS, and I would like it to be enabled and active after deployment, and eth1 is managed by MAAS and is an isolated network with no Internet access
[11:16] <secate> at the moment only eth1 is brought up during deployment, eth0 is disabled
[11:17] <secate> so when using Juju to deploy services, the nodes don't have Internet access via eth0
[12:09] <secate> so after more googlefu apparently a feature like this is coming in 1.9
[12:10] <secate> im going to test a daily build of 1.9 now, but if it isnt functioning yet is there some kind of workaround i can use for now, like either hacking the auto_interfaces option in the preseed config?
[14:41] <mup> Bug #1470930 opened: Devices API: claim-sticky-ip-address appears not to work <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470930>
[14:41] <mup> Bug #1471249 opened: After MAAS server IP change, curtin still uses old IP <hs-arm64> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471249>


[03:58] <akgraner> hey facebook will be rednecking it up in my neck of the woods with a data center :-) -http://www.wral.com/business/story/8608615/
[04:11] <nigelb> oh, ugh, wiki theme change
[04:11] <nigelb> shock, fear, anger, disgust....
[04:11] <nigelb> (and exaggeration :p)
[04:15] <akgraner> hehe
[04:34] <doctormo> Wmhaha, I love hunting the old questions:http://askubuntu.com/questions/8301/how-to-send-all-notes-off-alsa-midi-event
[04:44] <nisshh> nigelb, im annoyed about that, there are still bugs in the new theme
[04:44] <nigelb> nisshh: I agree.  Me too.
[04:44] <nigelb> I ran the new theme for some time, got frustrated and went back to the old
[04:45] <nisshh> nigelb, yeah, one big one is that unordered lists dont get indented, even when it is specified in the syntax
[04:45] <nisshh> makes it very unreadable
[04:45] <doctormo> nigelb: What theme is this?
[04:45] <nisshh> doctormo, the new light theme for the ubuntu wiki
[04:46] <nisshh> doctormo, its now the default one
[04:46] <nigelb> nisshh: oh, yuck :/
[04:46] <doctormo> I thought the wiki was going to be shot out of a cannon, defiled and then used as the foundation for the most audacious tennis court?
[04:46] <nisshh> nigelb, yeah, i hope these bugs get fixed soon :|
[04:47] <nisshh> doctormo, your point being?
[04:47] <doctormo> The wiki looks exactly the same to me.
[04:48] <akgraner> hmm I am still seeing the old theme
[04:48] <nisshh> doctormo, it will look the same to you, your probably logged in and have the default old theme set in your prefs, whereas non-logged-in users would see it
[04:48] <nigelb> akgraner: logout :)
[04:48] <akgraner> DOH!
[04:48] <nisshh> haha
[04:49] <doctormo> Looks nice, a little bit too much top padding, but otherwise ok.
[04:49] <akgraner> newsletter is hard to read now :-(
[04:49] <nisshh> doctormo, look at a page with unordered lists on it, with indentations, looks terrible
[04:49] <doctormo> What is it with every website now having the (c) Canonical Ltd, it really bugs me that community work is being claimed by Canonical.
[04:50] <doctormo> Even the bloody spread ubuntu website which has nothing to do with Canonical has the same damn thing on it.
[04:50] <nisshh> doctormo, yeah, i think they are just saying "this is part of canonical"
[04:51] <doctormo> nisshh: That's not how you say it, and besides, most of the websites aren't. They're community websites hosted graciously by Canonical.
[04:51] <nisshh> doctormo, point to you :)
[04:52] <doctormo> If I thought for a second that Canonical managers considered the community to be a special needs group of Canonical ownership I'd ship out to Debian. I need to see Canonical acting responsibly with it's power.
[04:52] <nisshh> i see
[04:52] <doctormo> (the fact that I'm still here means I see this as a few oversights) ;-)
[04:52] <nisshh> yeah
[04:53] <akgraner> doctormo isn't it b/c the theme is owned  and developed by Canonical and community is granted a very liberal use license for use on their sites?  (could be wrong)
[04:54] <akgraner> this was there is some legal protection for the theme, the colors, etc
[04:54] <doctormo> akgraner: Could be, but check out http://ground-control.org where at the bottom we specify different copyright owners for parts.
[04:55]  * nisshh goes and watches some episodes of Supernatural
[04:55] <akgraner> is there anything stopping other Ubuntu sites from doing that?
[04:56] <akgraner> whoever admins those sites can add that easily enough right?
[04:56] <akgraner> you just add it to the footer and life is sunshine and roses :-)
[04:57] <doctormo> akgraner: Yep, just a case of adding the right stuff there and it's all golden.
[05:13] <doctormo> Hmm, I need the question http://askubuntu.com/questions/11815/how-to-install-wacom-bamboo-pen to be voted up since it's important information.
[05:50]  * doctormo wonders if jcastro does ask ubuntu in his sleep.
[05:51] <nisshh> doctormo, i suspect he might :)
[06:11] <nigelb> doctormo: He sleep answers
[06:16] <duanedesign> ha
[06:21] <nigelb> doctormo: Just like sleep walk :p
[06:25] <nisshh> nigelb, sleep-n-ask syndrome i believe its called :)
[06:26] <nigelb> lol
[06:50] <nigelb> where are the horsemen today :)
[07:23] <nigelb> Good morning ara :)
[07:23] <ara> morning nigelb, all
[08:11] <kim0> morning ubuntians
[08:11] <kim0> nigelb: hey :)
[08:13] <nigelb> hola kim0 :)
[08:14] <kim0> o/
[08:17] <AlanBell> anyone use the wiki here? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2010-November/005103.html
[08:28] <nigelb> AlanBell: we noticed...
[08:29] <nigelb> AlanBell: oh, nice diging \o/
[08:30] <nigelb> heh, 'so this is me starting to push for it'..... AlanBell you rock \o/
[08:35] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[08:36] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[08:37] <AlanBell> today should be compiz-unity in a ppa day \o/
[08:39] <nisshh> AlanBell, wooooo!
[08:40] <nisshh> :)
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:40] <nisshh> hey dholbach
[08:40] <dholbach> hi nisshh
[08:42] <nigelb> morning dholbach
[08:43] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:47] <kim0> dholbach: dpm morning fellas
[08:47] <kim0> o/
[08:47] <dpm> good morning kim0!, morgen dholbach!
[08:47] <dholbach> heya kim, hi dpm
[09:10] <popey> morning all!
[09:10] <dholbach> hola popey
[09:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:32] <nigelb> morning randa, czajkowski :)
[09:35] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[09:36] <randa> happy friday, nigelb dholbach czajkowski dpm ara popey
[09:36] <dholbach> hola randa
[09:37] <nigelb> Friday... 3.5 hours more :D
[09:38] <ara> happy Friday, randa!
[09:43] <dpm> hey randa, hey ara, hey czajkowski, popey and everyone else!
[09:43] <czajkowski> how are we all this friday morning
[09:44] <dpm> \o/
[09:44] <czajkowski> randa: *hugs* thanks package was received
[09:44] <randa> perfect czajkowski :)
[09:44] <randa> czajkowski: petra will be the contact for shipit soon
[09:44] <randa> but we will announce this
[09:45] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[09:45] <czajkowski> thanks
[09:50]  * popey hugs randa
[09:50] <popey> I don't have any packages, but you deserve a massive hug anyway
[10:01] <randa> ;)
[10:40] <nigelb> I agree
[10:40]  * nigelb hugs randa too :)
[10:40] <randa> thanks guys!
[10:41]  * randa feels loved today
[10:47] <nigelb> heh :)
[11:15] <nigelb> git status
[11:15] <nigelb> aaaargh!
[11:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: I need help :)
[11:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: Can I PM you?
[11:22] <czajkowski> sure
[11:24] <nigelb> \o/ My laptop is fixed! yay
[11:29] <czajkowski> yay
[11:41] <nigelb> nisshh: ping
[11:43] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ grep -ic hugs\ dholbach irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-community-team.log
[11:43] <popey> 138
[11:43] <popey> alan@bishop:~$ grep -ic dholbach\ hugs irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-community-team.log
[11:43] <popey> 427
[11:43]  * popey hugs dholbach
[11:43] <nigelb> lol
[11:43]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach
[11:43]  * nigelb hugs dholbach too!
[11:45]  * dholbach hugs you all back :-)
[11:45] <nigelb> I'm curious to see how many times I've hugged :p
[11:46] <popey> 90
[11:46] <nigelb> :D
[11:47] <nigelb> popey: do you have the video of that bot you ran on release day?
[11:47]  * nigelb forgets its name
[11:48] <popey> piespy
[11:49] <popey> yeah, turned out not to be particularly interesting to watch
[11:50] <popey> http://blip.tv/file/4285537
[12:06] <dholbach> duanedesign, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)
[12:06]  * dholbach hugs duanedesign
[12:07] <nigelb> oooh
[12:07] <nigelb> duanedesign:
[12:07] <nigelb>  _   _    _    ____  ______   __  ____ ___ ____ _____ _   _ ____    _ __   __
[12:07] <nigelb> | | | |  / \  |  _ \|  _ \ \ / / | __ )_ _|  _ \_   _| | | |  _ \  / \\ \ / /
[12:07] <nigelb> | |_| | / _ \ | |_) | |_) \ V /  |  _ \| || |_) || | | |_| | | | |/ _ \\ V /
[12:07] <nigelb> |  _  |/ ___ \|  __/|  __/ | |   | |_) | ||  _ < | | |  _  | |_| / ___ \| |
[12:08] <nigelb> |_| |_/_/   \_\_|   |_|    |_|   |____/___|_| \_\|_| |_| |_|____/_/   \_\_|
[12:08] <nigelb>
[12:08] <nigelb> \O/
[12:08] <nigelb> hrm, that was supposed to go into a PM :(
[12:11] <nigelb> paultag: around?
[12:11] <czajkowski> bit early for him
[12:11] <nigelb> czajkowski: he's ping me back when comes on :D
[12:11] <Pendulum> duanedesign: happy birthday :)
[12:11] <nigelb> *he'll
[12:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: :)
[12:24]  * nigelb hugs duanedesign
[12:24]  * duanedesign hugs nigelb
[12:25] <duanedesign> thank you dholbach Pendulum and everyone else for the happy birthday wishes
[12:25] <dholbach> :-)
[12:27] <nisshh> nigelb, sorry, i was eating dinner, whats up?
[12:28] <nigelb> nisshh: you wanted to have your loco do events in classroom rite?
[12:28] <nigelb> did you see the loco day announcement?
[12:28] <nisshh> nigelb, yep
[12:29] <nigelb> nisshh: want to sign up ? :)
[12:29] <nisshh> nigelb, no i didnt see the announcement
[12:29] <nisshh> i dunno
[12:29] <nisshh> my loco hasnt had a meeting since
[12:29] <nisshh> so i havent had a chance to discuss it
[12:29] <nisshh> nigelb, is there a deadline for signing up?
[12:30] <nisshh> nigelb, and where is the announcement
[12:30] <nigelb> nisshh: about 1 our before the session would a nice deadline :p
[12:30] <nigelb> s/our/hour
[12:30] <nigelb> nisshh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-classroom/2010-November/000243.html
[12:30] <nisshh> lol, ok
[12:31] <nisshh> nigelb, ah yeah, i saw that somewhere thismorning
[12:31]  * nigelb bops nisshh on the head ;)
[12:32] <nisshh> huh?
[12:32] <nigelb> s/bops/whacks (for clarity)
[12:33] <nisshh> no, why did you bop me on the head?....
[12:33] <nigelb> lol
[12:33] <nigelb> "I didn't see it" "wait, I saw that somewhere" :p
[12:33] <nigelb> Anyone in the community nifty with node.js? ;)
[12:34] <nigelb> I just saw some awesome stuff done with it :D
[12:34] <nisshh> nigelb, lol, no i thought you meant some sort of official announcement that i didnt see, i wasnt expecting an ML announcement
[12:34] <nigelb> http://transloadit.com/ => javascript in client and server side; how awesome!
[12:37] <nisshh> nigelb, my next loco meeting is on the 14th december, ill try and get it brought forward, i really want to do the loco day, unfortunately, our loco is very, very inactive
[12:38] <nigelb> nisshh: nice time to wake them up :)
[12:38] <nisshh> nigelb, hehe, for my loco its between 9pm and 12pm right now :)
[12:52] <nisshh> nigelb, what sort of topics are being covered at loco day?
[12:54] <nigelb> nisshh: something loco-ish is the plan
[12:54] <nigelb> Its left to the loco's themselves
[12:55] <nisshh> nigelb, something loco-ish?
[12:55] <czajkowski> so I dont know why they dont use their own loco channel..
[12:55] <nigelb> nisshh: well, something like "how to have successful meetups?"
[12:56] <nigelb> nisshh: but the thing is we'd be using the classroom team and more locos can share their ideas
[12:56] <nisshh> nigelb, oh ok, well our loco cant do that, we got unapproved for being inefficient :)
[12:56] <nigelb> nisshh: heh, just take a pick of topics :)
[12:56] <nisshh> yeah
[12:57] <nigelb> we'll help you out once we get past the "get more people to do sessions!!" stage
[12:57] <nisshh> ok
[12:57] <nisshh> lol
[12:57] <nisshh> nigelb, ill talk to others in the loco and ill let you know around the 15th of december or so (after our next loco meeting)
[12:57] <nigelb> \o/
[12:58] <nigelb> nisshh: um, that's kinda a few days before the planned date :(
[12:58] <czajkowski> nisshh: you know just doing things in your own channel, or not on irc like a going for a coffee is just as good if not better to get discussions going
[12:58] <nisshh> nigelb, yeah, i realise, im trying to move the meeting forward atleast a week, dunno if i can though :)
[12:59] <czajkowski> nisshh: getting some folks on irc is just not possible, either due to work or choice, and can cut people off from wanting to get involved so dont worry
[12:59] <nisshh> czajkowski, yeah, thats what im doing now
[12:59] <czajkowski> nisshh: good stuff and I think you'll find you'll get more response doing that kinda thing
[13:00] <nisshh> czajkowski, our loco has a problem with meetups, since we are so few and spread out a long way (australian loco)
[13:00] <nisshh> we very rarely meetup physically
[13:00] <czajkowski> nisshh: right but that can happen in any loco tnbh
[13:00] <czajkowski> not just larger counteries tbh
[13:00] <czajkowski> nisshh: or getting discussions on email is a good idea also
[13:01] <czajkowski> pick a random topic and say lets chat about this or somethng
[13:01] <nisshh> czajkowski, yeah, i just sent a mail to our loco's ML
[13:01] <czajkowski> great
[13:13] <nisshh> nigelb, czajkowski, i should have a definitive answer for you by the 10th of December
[13:14] <nigelb> nisshh: that works :)
[13:14] <czajkowski> nisshh: that event has nothing to do with me
[13:14] <nisshh> czajkowski, i realised right after i said that :)
[13:14] <nisshh> nigelb, cool
[13:44] <jcastro> hi!
[13:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: ello there
[13:47] <popey> MOO!
[13:48] <czajkowski> does anyone remember which sessions this was decided upon : he Leadership Code Of Conduct was agreed to play a formal role in leadership in Ubuntu, and the translations community will be porting it to DocBook so it can be translated by the community.
[13:48] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/Final
[13:50] <nisshh> nigelb, is there a list of sessions that are already planned? i need some inspiration :)
[13:56] <Pici> czajkowski: I thought that there were seperate named sessions for each.
[13:57] <czajkowski> I knoew it was to be translated
[13:57] <czajkowski> just didnt see the outcome of it
[13:57] <czajkowski> :)
[14:01] <dpm> czajkowski, all the notes are here (for the one on translations - I don't know about the other part): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-translations-translatable-coc - There are a few actions unassigned, and it would be awesome if someone would lead that effort, as I'm not sure I'll have time to drive that blueprint, that's why the assignee part is still open. btw, the docbook conversion was already done
[14:01] <dpm> , and dholbach also submitted the branch to the CC for review
[14:01] <dholbach> dpm, erm
[14:01] <dholbach> dpm, I did?
[14:01] <czajkowski> dpm: coolio
[14:01] <dholbach> dpm, for now I just wanted to merge my few changes into your branch :)
[14:02] <dholbach> I thought you'd take it from there :)
[14:02] <czajkowski> dpm: if you want you can assign it to me
[14:02] <czajkowski> as it kinda falls on my thingy of poking the lovely folks in LP about getting it signed
[14:02] <dpm> dholbach, ah, sorry, I saw a merge proposal for the cc, I must have read it wrongly
[14:02] <czajkowski> so I don't mind chasing up on thay
[14:02] <dpm> czajkowski, a-we-some. Thanks!
[14:03] <czajkowski> np just assign me and next week in my own place I'll get to tackle all the backlog of stuff
[14:03] <czajkowski> :)
[14:04] <dpm> czajkowski, done. We'll have to chase jono next week to approve the bp
[14:05] <czajkowski> grand
[14:05] <dpm> dholbach, that was not an attempt to load more work on you. If I had tried that, I would have been more subtle :P
[14:05] <czajkowski> sounds like a plan
[14:06] <dholbach> dpm, yeah, sure
[14:06] <dholbach> . o O { nice try :-P }
[14:06] <dpm> :-)
[14:07] <czajkowski> I say we just action item paultag to do all action items, he'll create seperate bugs and all for them and then get cracking like there is no tomorrow and have them all done
[14:12] <popey> +1
[14:14] <nisshh> *sigh* my loco is dying :(
[14:20] <czajkowski> nisshh: sup
[14:22] <nisshh> czajkowski, hey, dont mind me, im just sad that my loco is dying slowly, there was a giant split down the middle earlier this year that caused a lot of grief and led to the loco being un approved by the council :(
[14:22] <czajkowski> this oz ?
[14:22] <nisshh> czajkowski, yeah, australia
[14:23] <czajkowski> tell ya what pop into channel for a moment and we can talk
[14:23] <nisshh> czajkowski, oh wait, your on the council arent you?
[14:24] <czajkowski> nisshh: see pm :)
[14:24] <czajkowski> nisshh: bingo :)
[14:24] <nisshh> hehe, i remember now
[14:25] <czajkowski> nisshh: anyways see pm and join the channel
[14:25] <nisshh> czajkowski, i havent got a pm from you...
[14:25] <czajkowski> you do in a window have an invite into a channel
[14:25] <nisshh> ah, my status window :)
[14:53] <daker> nisshh, my loco too
[14:53] <czajkowski> :(
[14:53] <nisshh> that sucks
[14:53] <nisshh> daker, which loco are you in?
[14:53] <daker> ubuntu-ma
[14:54] <nisshh> ma?
[14:54] <daker> Morocoo
[14:54] <nisshh> ah
[14:54] <nisshh> daker, if it aint dead yet, theres still a chance :)
[14:55] <daker> nisshh, a very slow death
[14:56] <czajkowski> ah now
[14:56] <czajkowski> it can't be that bad
[14:56] <daker> it will die in 09/2011
[14:56] <cjohnston> revive it
[14:56] <nisshh> daker, yeah
[14:56] <daker> cjohnston, how ?
[14:56] <cjohnston> cpr
[14:56] <nisshh> lol
[14:57] <czajkowski> daker: ok what do you think is wrong with your loco at present ?
[14:57] <daker> i have done the impossible
[14:58] <daker> czajkowski, 1) they think the ML is GOOGLE
[14:58] <czajkowski> some teams do use Google for their ML
[14:58] <czajkowski> it's what ever folks get used to
[15:02] <daker> sometimes i feel that in a loop, each time we have to explain that the ML is for Ubuntu problems (installation, upgrade, events)
[15:05] <daker> czajkowski, the last problem is we have lost 350CD, the Customs think that we are going to sell them
[15:06] <daker> czajkowski, so canonical should pay a big amount if we want to recover the package
[15:07] <popey> daker: other Locos have had that issue, and canonical have paid the customs fees
[15:08] <daker> popey, how much ?
[15:08] <popey> does it matter?
[15:08]  * popey points daker at randa
[15:08] <randa> mmm?? hello
[15:08] <daker> popey, i know she knows that
[15:08] <randa> daker hello :)
[15:08] <daker> hi randa
[15:09] <czajkowski> daker: well it's not just for problems at all, can be social also, like arranging to meet up, or did you see this, what do you thijnk about this
[15:09] <nigelb> lol, Keybuk rocks haha
[15:09] <nigelb> london office has no windows...LOL
[15:09] <randa> daker, what's your Loco team?
[15:10] <daker> randa, ubuntu-ma (Morocco)
[15:10] <randa> argghh I know, Customs wanted o charge EUR 1,400 unfortunately that is not reasonable for Canonical
[15:11] <daker> popey, see
[15:11] <czajkowski> daker: ok, well that is unfortunate
[15:11] <randa> we sent letters, one of your guys even went to talk to a politician I think to ask for help
[15:12] <randa> but nothing worked
[15:12] <AlanBell> can you get them pressed locally?
[15:12] <randa> Im happy to send small amounts to different people...
[15:13] <daker> czajkowski, yeah we have organized a Global Jam we have got ~10 personnes
[15:14] <daker> randa, do you mean small packages?
[15:14] <czajkowski> daker: that's still a good turn out
[15:15] <randa> daker: I could send 20 Cds to 10 different people....
[15:15] <randa> or something like that
[15:15] <randa> I cant think of any other soluction
[15:15] <randa> *solution
[15:19] <daker> randa, even with 20 CDs we will have problems :)
[15:19] <randa> oh really
[15:19] <randa> wow
[15:20] <randa> daker, we dont have any problem anywhere else :( why do you have this problem in your country, do you know?
[15:20] <randa> the highest we pay is 200 USD
[15:21] <randa> but canonical is happy to pay that... unfortunately 1400 EUR is a lot of money
[15:21] <czajkowski> aye it is
[15:21] <daker> randa, we have a solution
[15:24] <daker> randa, we have to contact Universities so they will send letters to explain that the CDs are not for sales
[15:24] <randa> ok daker, i did send lettersto the custom office explaining that they were promotional only and not for sale
[15:25] <randa> but they still refused it but maybe the university is more lucky
[15:26] <daker> we will see
[15:27] <randa> keep me posted daker if there is anything we can do, I will be happy to help
[15:27] <daker> randa, if nothing happens the package will be destroyed ?
[15:28] <randa> yes daker, but we need to try, we have lot f Cds anyway... it is a shame I know but we should give it a go
[15:28] <daker> randa, sure
[15:42] <dholbach> dpm, dinda: I just had a look at the newest version of sphinx (http://sphinx.pocoo.org) and it seems to support making html, singlehtml, epub, pdf, latex and gettext translations
[15:43] <dholbach> I'll try packaging the hg snapshot of it in a ppa
[15:43] <dinda> dholbach: nice
[15:47] <nigelb> why is sphinx familiar....
[15:47] <nigelb> ah, yes, python documentation,
[15:58] <nisshh> czajkowski, we can forget that idea with coming to an agreement with the other group in the au loco
[15:59] <czajkowski> why
[15:59] <nisshh> czajkowski, hmm, maybe not here, can you invite me to the council channel again please
[15:59] <czajkowski> sure
[16:00] <nisshh> thanks
[16:00] <czajkowski> done
[16:21] <daker> kim0, did you send the email to the IS (Cloud portal) ?
[16:22] <kim0> daker: indeed, they are being too busy as usual
[16:22] <kim0> daker: jono is going to have a call with them then to push harder
[16:23] <daker> kim0, ok
[16:23] <Technoviking> morning all
[16:23] <kim0> Technoviking: morning
[16:24] <jcastro> jono: are you planning on blogging/tweeting when the PPA lands?
[16:28] <daker> kim0, btw when you have time can you write a what we need
[16:29] <kim0> daker: can you explain a bit
[16:30] <Technoviking> Is it ok to have your personal blog use the Ubuntu font?
[16:32] <daker> kim0, found it http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CloudPortalSpecs
[16:33] <doctormo> Technoviking: sure
[16:35] <nisshh> dholbach, Harvest rocks!
[16:36] <Pici> Technoviking: Per the design team style guidelines, if you're going to specify the Ubuntu font in CSS, you should use the following so that it gracefully falls back to something nice: font-family: 'Ubuntubeta','Ubuntu','Bitstream Vera Sans','DejaVu Sans', Tahoma, sans-serif;
[16:36] <dholbach> nisshh, thanks - it wasn't just my doing, but yeah - I think it'll be useful :)
[16:37] <nisshh> dholbach, yeah, your just the only person i know who had anything to do with it :)
[16:41] <dholbach> :)
[16:42] <Technoviking> jcastro: Are there plans to be able to shrink the unity sidebar, or should I file a wishlist bug
[16:43] <jcastro> not sure about shrink
[16:43] <jcastro> file a wishlist pls
[16:44] <Technoviking> jcastro: will do after I install from ppa:)
[16:46] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:46] <dholbach> have a great weekend
[16:46] <Technoviking> dholbach: you too
[16:46] <nigelb> dholbach: nigt :)
[16:47] <dholbach> take care :)
[16:48] <jcastro> Technoviking: are you on natty?
[16:49] <Technoviking> jcastro: not yet
[16:52] <Technoviking> jcastro: have a spare box I can upgrade
[16:56] <Technoviking> do they make natty dailies CD yet, or should I just upgrade from maverick
[17:02] <jcastro> they do
[17:03] <jcastro> the link is in the natty forum someplace
[17:06] <paultag> czajkowski, hey now :P
[17:07] <czajkowski> paultag: ello
[17:08] <daker> kim0, videos will be hosted in a hosting site ? like youtube
[17:08] <paultag> ello :)
[17:16]  * czajkowski offers jono a #locoteams tag
[17:27] <jono> czajkowski, what for?
[17:27] <jono> Severed Fifth tweets?
[17:27] <jono> :)
[17:27] <czajkowski> no for ubuntu cloud stuff
[17:27] <jono> czajkowski, erm, what has that got to do with locoteams?
[17:27] <czajkowski> they might like to know about it. just a thought
[17:33] <popey> I'd be willing to bet nobody looks at the #locoteams hashtag
[17:33] <sense> popey: czajkowski does
[17:35] <czajkowski> popey: lotta non english ones do
[17:36] <czajkowski> some funky stuff tweeted
[17:46] <popey> Technoviking: you might want to hide yourplace/forums as it just got mentioned in #ubuntu
[17:46] <popey> its appearing on google search index and people are getting confused
[17:46] <sense> The LoCo Directory also uses the hashtag for its frontpage.
[17:47] <czajkowski> it does
[17:47] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23locoteams
[17:57] <daker> have a nice week-end
[17:59] <Technoviking> ok, running natty on baremetal
[18:01] <Technoviking> popey: bullocks, that explain why my web host is dragging
[18:08] <Technoviking> I wish IS would get me a test box for the forums
[18:13] <popey> I'd stick an .htaccess on it
[18:19] <doctormo> hey paultag, are you still hiding in the south?
[18:20] <paultag> doctormo, south?
[18:20] <paultag> doctormo, Ohio? Ohio is north
[18:20] <doctormo> ohio is south right?
[18:20] <paultag> doctormo, it touches Canada
[18:20] <paultag> d'oh
[18:20] <doctormo> hence south ;-)
[18:20] <paultag> Well south of something I guess :)
[18:20]  * doctormo continues to digg merrily.
[18:20] <paultag> doctormo, I'll be heading to Boston soonish
[18:23] <doctormo> great
[18:33] <jcastro> Technoviking: see my twitters
[18:33] <jcastro> PPA is ready
[18:45] <Technoviking> jcastro: got it installed, just got a big white screen
[18:46] <jcastro> Technoviking: see didrocks in -desktop please
[18:47] <jcastro> Technoviking: bah
[18:47] <jcastro> you just missed him
[18:47] <Technoviking> let me switch to Ubuntu desktop and see if I can get into ccsm
[18:48] <jcastro> yeah there should be a thing at the bottom
[18:48] <jcastro> like in the screenshot in the directions
[18:50] <Technoviking> still white screen with unity plugin enable
[19:07] <nigelb> hrm, I guess 1 am is early enough to sleep
[19:07] <nigelb> g'nite folks
[19:07] <Technoviking> nigelb: night
[19:08] <nigelb> night Technoviking
[19:09] <Technoviking> jcastro: got rid of the white screen, but the all the screen resources (Trash, show desktop, etc...) crash and want to reload
[19:12] <Technoviking> aaaahhhhh... you not longer use Ubuntu Netbook, just Ubuntu desktop, I'm very stupid
[19:13] <jcastro> oh?
[19:13] <jcastro> I should add that to the notes at least
[19:13] <jcastro> good point
[19:13] <jcastro> Technoviking: ok so does it work now?
[19:15] <Technoviking> jcastro: kinda, have issues in screen position
[19:17] <jcastro> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=122985
[19:17] <jcastro> is it like that?
[19:18] <Technoviking> jcastro: yup
[21:09] <duanedesign> kim0: i was looking to get some books to learn more about cloud computing. I realize this is a pretty wide open question, but are their any books you might recommend?
[21:17] <jcastro> ugh, I always forget the IS team freenode channel? help?
[21:25] <sense> jcastro: #canonical-sys-admin or something similar?? Maybe?
[21:26] <jcastro> nope
[21:26] <Pendulum> maybe #ubuntu-sysadmin ?
[21:30] <daker> jcastro, #canonical-sysadmin
[21:32] <jcastro> ta
[21:34] <sense> I'm going offline, see you guys!
[21:34] <duanedesign> o/
[21:34] <sense> \o
[21:39] <duanedesign> jcastro: i was trying to plan for getting my work items done and i noticed one of the blueprints I have items on is not showing up in the burndown chart
[21:39] <jcastro> which one?
[21:39] <duanedesign> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-irc-workshops
[21:40] <jcastro> ah
[21:40] <jcastro> jono needs to set the series goal
[21:40] <jcastro> ping him over mail though, he's off today
[21:40] <duanedesign> ok :) thank you
[22:47] <doctormo> ScottL: ping
[22:49] <doctormo> jcastro: What do you think of my diagram? http://doctormo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gnome-ubuntu-relates1.png
[22:53] <jcastro> doctormo: I dunno
[22:55] <doctormo> curious subject
[22:57] <Technoviking> jcastro: Can anyone edit the Unity ppa docs? njpatel just tweeted any helpful hint
[22:57] <jcastro> Technoviking: go nuts
[22:59] <Technoviking> jcastro: thanks
[23:01] <ScottL> doctormo, pong
[23:09] <Technoviking> jcastro: what is the sidebar dock offically called in unity?
[23:17] <jcastro> Technoviking: launcher
[23:19] <doctormo> ScottL: I was wondering if you'd be up for helping me with wacom support, walking me through a few things either tomorrow or next week.
[23:24] <ScottL> doctormo, i would be happy to help, although i am unsure how much help i will be, but either way it will probably need to be next week (we have visiting family this weekend)
[23:32] <ScottL> hi paultag :)


[09:56] <yossarianuk> hi - I have made an upstart script to start a meteor app  - in /etc/init/meteor.conf -> it works fine using 'service meteor start/stop'
[09:56] <yossarianuk> but it doesn't start on boot
[09:56] <yossarianuk> how can I troubleshoot why this is
[11:39] <afournier> yossarianuk: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#command-line-options
[11:41] <afournier> yossarianuk: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#add-verbose-or-debug-to-the-kernel-command-line
[11:53] <yossarianuk> afournier: thank you
[11:53] <yossarianuk> afournier: I have seemed to sort it my removing all start deps except runlevel 2 -5
[11:53] <yossarianuk> works now.
[11:54] <yossarianuk> really liking the respawn function !
[11:54] <yossarianuk> its a shame systemd won....
[12:14] <afournier> i never used systemd, and i will never go, i hope :p
[12:14] <afournier> s/go/do/
[14:22] <yossarianuk> afournier: if you want to run ubuntu 15.04+ you will have to use it.
[14:23] <afournier> yossarianuk: i only use gentoo with OpenRC, and OpenEmbedded with upstart
[14:24] <yossarianuk> afournier: of course I forgot other distros use upstart also.
[14:24] <afournier> indeed OpenEmbedded does not natively but i wrote a layer to add upstart to it
[14:25] <afournier> anyway i think i will have to use systemd one day...
[14:26] <afournier> meanwhile if i can avoid it...