[06:02] <mikey> now that I know a small bit about linux, I think I'll figure out my partitions and set things up proper on all ide's
[06:02] <Bloodytux> bfreexxx: you could try uninstalling vlc and install something else
[06:02] <Bloodytux> mikey: good luck
[06:02] <BluesKaj> soulrider, I'm on feisty and the new kernel and all seems well so far ...(knocks on wood)
[06:02] <sebbar> do you think feisty+1 will have kde4.0?
[06:02] <mikey> ty
[06:03] <sivaji> if i upgrade from dapper to edgy packages will be replaced or added
[06:03] <soulrider> bfreexxx: i think that you may be able to reconfigure konqueror or something, hold on
[06:03] <bfreexxx> mikey: reinstall grub:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[06:03] <bfreexxx> just make sure harddrive is mounted
[06:03] <soulrider> lol BluesKaj
[06:03] <Skrotffs> sebbar: I think feisty+1 is a LTS-version, so I doubt it, as KDE 4 will be bleeding edge at that time
[06:03] <mikey> bfreexxx: thanks
[06:03] <Bloodytux> sebbar: maybe if it comes out in time.
[06:03] <Skrotffs> sebbar: But you'll probably be able to install it via apt when its out
[06:04] <sebbar> ok cool tnx
[06:04] <BluesKaj> aren't the KDE4 devs looking for ginea pigs to run it ?
[06:04] <Skrotffs> Not quite yet
[06:04] <Bloodytux> yea
[06:04] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: not really yet
[06:04] <Bloodytux> i thought they were
[06:04] <Skrotffs> Wait for june-august
[06:04] <Bloodytux> i'm thinking of 3.8 sorry
[06:05] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: if you don't know how to test libs, then no ;)
[06:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <Skrotffs> Sure, they want developers to test it, but its not ready for end users yet
[06:05] <bfreexxx> i solved my problem i believe
[06:05] <Tm_T> test libs as using them in your apps
[06:05] <jpierre> bonjour
[06:05] <soulrider> bfreexxx: i dont know if this is a good idea, but it might fix your problem, i would use it as a last resort... but it might be possible to purge konqueror and reinstall it
[06:05] <Tm_T> !fi | OlliK
[06:05] <ubotu> OlliK: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[06:06] <Bloodytux> has anyone tried kde 3.8 with kubuntu yet?
[06:06] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: sure, and newer stuff
[06:06] <felzix> bloodytux: if it comes with feisty, I'm currently using it
[06:06] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: I have been fooling around with KDE4 over a year now I think :p
[06:06] <Bloodytux> so is 3.8 stable enough for a complete install?
[06:07] <Bloodytux> over 3.5
[06:07] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: no for users
[06:07] <Tm_T> Bloodytux: and won't be until release
[06:07] <Cosmo_> so what are the big differences in KDE4?
[06:07] <Bloodytux> ****
[06:07] <soulrider> bfreexxx: try this: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure konqueror'
[06:07] <Tm_T> Cosmo_: new crashes atleast ;)
[06:07] <Tm_T> !kde4 | Cosmo_
[06:07] <ubotu> Cosmo_: For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[06:07] <bfreexxx> yes i did... i right clicked on a folder in konqueror, clicked 'open with', selected konqueror, and had to edit the command to use the filemanager profile isntead of webbrowser profile
[06:07] <soulrider> im runniong kde 3.5.6
[06:08] <sivaji> soulrider: what that command will do
[06:08] <julianito> ubuntu_fr please
[06:08] <Skrotffs> Cosmo_: Mostly new cool libs and a newer, much improved version of Qt.
[06:08] <Ace2016> hi all
[06:08] <soulrider> i think i heard something about it being released on octiber this year or somehting
[06:08] <Bloodytux> !kde 3.8
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde 3.8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <Tm_T> soulrider: yes
[06:08] <Ace2016> anyone been to digg today? ;D
[06:08] <Ace2016> http://digg.com/microsoft/Need_a_Windows_XP_key_Google_can_help
[06:08] <julianito> how to go to ubuntu.fr
[06:08] <compilerwriter> !fr | julianito
[06:08] <ubotu> julianito: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:08] <julianito> thanks
[06:09] <soulrider> sivaji: reconfigure konqueror, but its for bfreexxx not for you
[06:09] <Tm_T> julianito: /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:09] <Tm_T> :)
[06:09] <Tm_T> Ace2016: I wonder how that has to do with channel topic
[06:09] <Bloodytux> !mepis
[06:09] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[06:10] <sivaji> what is bfreexxx
[06:10] <sivaji> ! bfreexxx
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bfreexxx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <Bloodytux> thats a guy on this irc channel....
[06:11] <bfreexxx> lol
[06:11] <Bloodytux> !Windows
[06:11] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:11] <Bloodytux> hahahaha i love that
[06:12] <Ace2016> Tm_T: want to try linux? don't have an xp cd to go back with? get the disk off a torrent, say what? u have no key? well gogle can help :D thus its very well suited to the topic
[06:12] <Schuenemann> !doesn't work
[06:12] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:12] <Schuenemann> this one is better
[06:12] <Tm_T> Ace2016: it's not
[06:12] <BluesKaj> KDE 4 Release schedule : http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule#KDE_4.0
[06:12] <syke> hi
[06:12] <bfreexxx> !tremulous
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tremulous - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <Ace2016> well at least i now have a working key i can use
[06:13] <Bloodytux> dude that's illegal
[06:13] <Bloodytux> !ubotu
[06:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:13] <Bloodytux> !illegal
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about illegal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <sivaji> is there any command to halt system after sometimes
[06:13] <syke> has anyone else using wifi with WPA noticed that while it mostly works, iwconfig reports Tx invalid crypt packets?
[06:13] <Ace2016> lol
[06:13] <Tm_T> sivaji: shutdown
[06:13] <Schuenemann> my university gives me windows for free
[06:13] <felzix> is it illegal to get a keygen and use it if windows decides to lock you out of your system because you switched harddrives between two computers?
[06:13] <bfreexxx> !stallman
[06:13] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[06:14] <Schuenemann> academic license
[06:14] <Ace2016> Bloodytux: just saying, i don't even have windows installed
[06:14] <felzix> (yeah, I know that it probably is)
[06:14] <Schuenemann> msdnAA = MS developer network academic alliance
[06:14] <Bloodytux> Ace2016: good
[06:14] <Bloodytux> !Windows | Ace2016
[06:14] <ubotu> Ace2016: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:14] <bfreexxx> even maids have their pride
[06:14] <soulrider> ohmy, wat happened to freenode ?
[06:14] <Tm_T> hey, kids, cut that windows talk and get back to business, ok?
[06:14] <soulrider> i couldnt connect at all
[06:14] <Tm_T> sivaji: nothing
[06:14] <Tm_T> soulrider:
[06:14] <vinces1979> ALL:Why is windows being discussed ( YUK)
[06:14] <Schuenemann> so I have windows 2000, xp, vista, sql server, visual studio and other crappy microsoft stuff
[06:14] <Ace2016> Bloodytux: good idea, they'd want some keys
[06:15] <soulrider> who cares about crappy windows, we got linux
[06:15] <vinces1979> excatly
[06:15] <Schuenemann> yeah
[06:15] <Schuenemann> hehe
[06:15] <sivaji> what nothing
[06:15] <Bloodytux> felzix: keygens are illegal. if you lost your key you have to buy another key or it is considered illegal
[06:15] <Bloodytux> just saying
[06:15] <sivaji> TM_T:what nothing
[06:15] <Tm_T> krhm
[06:15] <Schuenemann> but some people say linux is good only because it's free (in money)
[06:15] <Tm_T> sivaji: sorry, my bad ;(
[06:15] <Schuenemann> I have windows for free and I don't use it
[06:15] <felzix> Ah.  Probably best that they were all viruses, then.
[06:15] <soulrider> Schuenemann: no way
[06:16] <soulrider> Schuenemann: i never payed for windows and what do you see me using?
[06:16] <Bloodytux> felzix: you need to know where to look for them
[06:16] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[06:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:16] <Bloodytux> :)
[06:16] <felzix> lol
[06:16] <Ace2016> i thinks windows needs a better user base, some people don't understand the concept of a cd key
[06:16] <Schuenemann> soulrider, I know... that's what I say: the university gives it for free (not pirate) and still I don't want it
[06:16] <Tm_T> Ace2016: warn you, continue offtopic here and you'll be out
[06:17] <vinces1979> please
[06:17] <Bloodytux> vista got smart because now they actually register the keys so you can't use them twice!!!!
[06:17] <Ace2016> oh ok no more offtopic stuff
[06:17] <Bloodytux> k
[06:17] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[06:17] <bfreexxx> this is my friend's machine, he upped to vista a couple months ago, now i've made it dual-boot with kubuntu
[06:17] <soulrider> lets go to offtopic and bash there :P
[06:17] <bfreexxx> so he can compare
[06:17] <bfreexxx> and vista is definitely slow doing some things
[06:17] <Bloodytux> #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:18] <bfreexxx> so i get to do linux support for him so he doesn't go 'this sux, i'm deleting it.'
[06:18] <bfreexxx> but its better than doing windows support  XD
[06:19] <Bloodytux> my friend said it sucks and deleted ubuntu because he didn't know how to change his password....
[06:19] <Bloodytux> hes a noob
[06:19] <bfreexxx> my mom's smarter than yer friend
[06:19] <Bloodytux> lol
[06:19] <soulrider> LOL
[06:19] <Bloodytux> probably
[06:19] <bfreexxx> she can start linux and web-surf-- wowzor
[06:19] <soulrider> my mom actually looked for and opened Opera by herself on my linux machine, and my panel placement is not like default KDE
[06:20] <Bloodytux> my friend can delete it and go get a copy of XP pro for $100 oh beat dat
[06:20] <bfreexxx> so where do i go for good kde skinning ideas?
[06:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Bloodytux: that's a case of the typical windows user mentality - unwilling to learn something even remotely different
[06:20] <soulrider> $100 is a lot of beer and pizza
[06:20] <Tm_T> bfreexxx: kde-look.org
[06:20] <bfreexxx> ty
[06:20] <Schuenemann> Bloodytux, only $100 ?
[06:20] <Tm_T> you're still talking about xp, aren't you?
[06:20] <soulrider> Bloodytux: let me say your friend is a moron
[06:20] <Bloodytux> and a lot of kubuntu installations... oh wait you can have millions for free!!!!
[06:21] <soulrider> guys, lets talk in offtopic
[06:21] <Bloodytux> soulrider: i agree
[06:21] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:21] <jame> hey
[06:21] <soulrider> or ops are gonna go berserk :P
[06:21] <soulrider> hi jame
[06:21] <Tm_T> jame: hello
[06:21] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[06:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:21] <Bloodytux> #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:21] <Tm_T> problem is, all support talk disappear to this noise
[06:21] <jame> Im trying to setup Samba network with virtually ran XP
[06:22] <jame> what determines username and password to get access
[06:22] <Tm_T> !samba | jame
[06:22] <ubotu> jame: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:23] <jame> followed nice HOWTO on ubuntu forums
[06:23] <Tm_T> jame: look those, might give new hints
[06:28] <jame> thanks for links
[06:29] <Schuenemann> !pastebin
[06:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:30] <Tm_T> jame: works?
[06:32] <yonkeltron> where can i request packages?
[06:32] <LjL> !packaging
[06:32] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[06:32] <LjL> !backports
[06:32] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:35] <xanith> Is there a good walkthrough for making a Dual-Boot for Kubuntu and WinXP
[06:35] <Bloodytux> !dual
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <Tm_T> !grub
[06:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:36] <Skrotffs> xanith: 1) Install windows xp, 2) Install ubuntu which will autodetect windows and put in grub (the boot loader)
[06:36] <LjL> !dualboot
[06:36] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[06:36] <Tm_T> LjL: =)
[06:37] <xanith> Thanks everyone
[06:41] <jame> Tm_T
[06:41] <ScarFreewill> is there any rsync mirrors for apt?
[06:41] <jame> not yet - even if I set ( atleast I think I do) it to allow guests (w/o password)
[06:43] <Lynoure> ScarFreewill: you mean repositories you can rsync from?
[06:43] <ScarFreewill> Lynoure: ye
[06:45] <Lynoure> ScarFreewill: see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror
[06:45] <ScarFreewill> ta Lynoure
[06:46] <syke> has anyone else using wifi with WPA noticed that while it mostly works, iwconfig reports Tx invalid crypt packets?
[06:46] <christian_> hola
[06:46] <syke> when using skype, I get 'skipping' sometimes and I think it may be related
[06:47] <davids> Trying to get m
[06:47] <davids> eless networks (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 1 hours ago by  Rastloser in Source Package "knetworkmanager" in Ubuntu (Normal)
[06:47] <davids>
[06:47] <davids>   can totem load external subtitles ? (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 3 hours ago by  Mihai Niculescu in Source Package "totem" in Ubuntu (Normal)
[06:47] <soulrider> hola christian_
[06:47] <davids>
[06:47] <davids>   uderstanding unknown i.p.visitors (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 3 hours ago by  alan in AWStats (Normal)
[06:47] <davids>
[06:47] <Ace2016> hi all
[06:47] <davids>   Problem ubuntu spreading in the third world due to offline internet connection (Open)
[06:47] <davids>  posted 4 hours ago by  Support educational through ubuntu in Ubuntu (Normal)
[06:47] <davids> Latest questions solved
[06:47] <davids>
[06:47] <davids>   Creating bzr branch from scratch (Solved)
[06:48] <davids>  posted 6 hours ago by  LCID Fire, answered by  LCID Fire in Source Package "bazaar" in Ubuntu (N
[06:48] <Ace2016> how do you shutdown ubuntu from the command line?
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | davids
[06:48] <ubotu> davids: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:48] <Tm_T> davids: err
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: sudo shutdown
[06:48] <soulrider> Ace2016: shutdown :P
[06:48] <soulrider> davids: where was that 3rd world post at ?
[06:49] <davids> Just loaded the beta version and trying to get my broadcom wireless working. I currently have it enabled, but it is not connecting to the router? Any Ideas?
[06:49] <davids> sorry, hit wrong keys
[06:49] <Ace2016> shutdown never works
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: sudo shutdown no
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[06:49] <Ace2016> it says to try shutdown --help
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: sudo shutdown now
[06:49] <soulrider> davids: where was that 3rd world discussion posted at ?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> depends on what you mean by 'never works' also.
[06:50] <davids> Not sure, was all over the net trying to get my wireless working
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing it worked :\
[06:50] <Tm_T> !feisty | davids
[06:50] <ubotu> davids: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[06:50] <bobstro> Ace2016: I do "sudo shutdown -h now" but tell us what you see
[06:50] <davids> figure out how
[06:51] <davids> I am on beta now
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> davids,  me also. :)
[06:51] <davids> but cant get wireless working
[06:51] <schizm> im on 6.10 and when I try to use KDE as a session I get "Xsession: unsupported arguments passed" and it bails to Gnome.  Nothing really out there on google on it and I'm not familiar enough with ubuntu's setup to debug it nicely.  I'm upgrading to 7.04 beta right now so we'll see how that goes and if it still exists
[06:52] <bobstro> i guess shutdown worked. :)
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I dont mess with wireless any more. so cant help ya there.
[06:52] <davids> damn
[06:52] <davids> :D
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> schizm,  try just using the console and 'startx' and see if any error messages show up.
[06:52] <schizm> i did, nothing
[06:52] <schizm> its only from GDM that it happens
[06:52] <Tm_T> schizm: and how KDM reacts?
[06:53] <Ace2016> Thanks it worked
[06:53] <schizm> I poked around at /etc/X11/Xsession but didnt see anything out of the ordinary, this is a vanilla 6.10 install (or so i think)
[06:53] <Tm_T> Ace2016: =)
[06:53] <schizm> haven't tried KDM, good point
[06:53] <bobstro> Ace2016: you did seem to go away.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> i find that if using KDE - you are better off using KDM.
[06:53] <schizm> thanks
[06:53] <schizm> aye
[06:53] <bfreexxx> schizm, u tried to start kde with gdm?  lol
[06:54] <bfreexxx> gdm=GnomeDesktopManager
[06:54] <schizm> shouldnt matter
[06:54] <Tm_T> bfreexxx: why not, should work just fine
[06:54] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: Which works fine to start KDE.
[06:54] <bobstro> i launch kde all the time with gdm
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> ive never had any issues with using KDE from GDM, or gnome from KDM. the only thing ive noticed is that some of the extra 'login/logout/change user' features may not work properly if mixxing the 2
[06:54] <schizm> any init loader should be able to handle spawning any sort of desktop
[06:55] <schizm> im just using what Kubuntu installed by default, which seems to be GDM
[06:55] <bobstro> that is sort of the point of the feature, no?
[06:55] <Tm_T> schizm: nope, KDM is Kubuntu default
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> schizm,  Kubuntu did not install gdm. :)
[06:55] <bobstro> schizm: for wht it's worth, i do have both installed.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> if you installed ubuntu-desktop it may of set up to use gdm instead.
[06:55] <jhutchins> Yeah, it doesn't bother to duplicate the function.
[06:56] <schizm> default install of ubuntu, then upgraded to kubuntu, then 6.10 beta...and it seems to run GDM
[06:56] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: FYI there's also xdm, which is generic X.
[06:56] <Tm_T> jhutchins: yup, XDM is nice and light one :)
[06:56] <jhutchins> schizm: Right, it already has GDM from Gnome, and it doesn't bother to replace it.
[06:56] <bobstro> schizm: it'd probably be worth trying kdm to make sure that works, then debugging gdm issues you're having.
[06:57] <schizm> aye, ill do that after the upgrade.  im upgrading to 7.04 the manual command line way since I can't get into KDE, will I need to do anything special afterwards to ensure that it's 7.04 Kubuntu?  I assume so
[06:57] <Arwen> is there a tool I can use to record my screen?
[06:57] <Ace2016> Arwen: xvidcap
[06:58] <Arwen> Ace2016, where?
[06:58] <Ace2016> Arwen: or beryl-vidcap
[06:58] <Arwen> where?
[06:58] <Arwen> eh?
[06:58] <chijin> where what?
[06:58] <Arwen> if you're too lazy to provide a link to packages NOT IN THE REPOSITORY, don't bother answering..
[06:58] <Ace2016> Arwen: you can install it from the repos if its there or you can get it from their website, it has a deb
[06:59] <jhutchins> Arwen: Unable to reach google are you?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> aparently googling is too hard...
[06:59] <jhutchins> !find xvidcap
[06:59] <Arwen> jhutchins, I asked a question... if I wanted to find it myself, I wouldn't be here
[06:59] <ubotu> Package/file xvidcap does not exist in edgy
[06:59] <schizm> the other issue is that I can't go into the system->admin->login screen setup...just dies as gconf bails....
[06:59] <schizm> sigh
[06:59] <schizm> my installation is botched up somehow i think
[06:59] <jhutchins> !find beryl-vidcap
[06:59] <ubotu> Package/file beryl-vidcap does not exist in edgy
[07:00] <jhutchins> Be nice if the bot did google, but then that's how it would spend all it's time.
[07:00] <jhutchins> Arwen: Do you have the URL for every non-standard package you know of?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  who needs google when you got us chained to the desks..
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:00] <Arwen> jhutchins, no, but I'm decent enough of a person to link to them when people ask me about them...
[07:01] <Ace2016> Arwen: you can get it from Trevios Ubuntu Repository
[07:01] <jhutchins> I think the name of a package, even without it's URL, is a useful bit of info.  Sometimes just suggesting a different way to ask a question solves a problem.
[07:01] <jame>  already
[07:01] <jame> s*ck - I give up - Ill use DC to move stuff - atleast I can do that
[07:01] <Arwen> Ace2016, which doesn't have a feisty edition? and is svn no less?
[07:02] <Ace2016> Arwen: i run feisty too, i got the deb from xvidcap's sourceforge site and it worked
[07:02] <Arwen> and that site is where?
[07:02] <Arwen> sighs*
[07:03] <bfreexxx> transcode is moving towards using vnc protocol to capture desktop activity...  http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Desktop_video_capture
[07:04] <Ace2016> Arwen: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535&package_id=83441
[07:04] <bfreexxx> there was some stuff on transcode developer maillist about it recently
[07:04] <Arwen> Ace2016, much better... will it record uncompressed video?
[07:05] <Ace2016> Arwen: well you can pick the format, size and fps and stuff in the settings
[07:05] <Arwen> ok...
[07:06] <bobstro> i'm looking for a good cross-platform (winxp, linux) password manager. any recommendations?
[07:06] <Ace2016> Dr_Willis: why are you sighing?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> i got to go to work...
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> and its finially getting nice weather.
[07:06] <Arwen> Ace2016, um, how can I record my entire desktop?
[07:06] <Arwen> bobstro, keepassx
[07:07] <bobstro> Arwen: thanks
[07:08] <Ace2016> Arwen: select the entire desktop?
[07:08] <Arwen> Ace2016, um, when I try that, it just crashes?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Development Status : 4 - Beta
[07:09] <KingJere> How does KDE decide the placement of new windows? i.e. I use a dual head setup and would like new windows to avoid the center where the two screens meet
[07:09] <Ace2016> Arwen: run it in konsole, might be missing something
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  what video cards ya got?
[07:09] <Arwen> Ace2016, says something like "bad color, X Window Error"
[07:09] <KingJere> FX 5200 PCI
[07:09] <Ace2016> strange, never seen that
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  nvidia - you proberly want to enable twinview and xinerama - that should fix mist of the 'showing up in the center of the monitors/edges' issue
[07:10] <KingJere> isn't twin view and xinerama two different things
[07:10] <Ace2016> KingJere: #kde might know more
[07:11] <KingJere> I'm using twin view now. and good idea ace.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  nope. they sort of work togeher for the best effect. Twinview I think sort of can 'replace' xinerama. but i found they work best when used together.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> some programs are Still badly written and will still do that "on the edges" opening..
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> even with twinview/xinerama
[07:12] <Arwen> Ace2016, never mind, I just specified my geometry from the command line
[07:12] <Arwen> Ace2016, lol... 2 fps capture rate..
[07:12] <KingJere> Thanks, Ill  check out xorg.conf
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  theeres a lot of twinview docs out, and the nvidia official docs are worth reading also. thers a lot of good info and tweaks that can be done with it.
[07:13] <Ace2016> lol
[07:14] <KingJere> I've acutally read that. It was very thourough. There was a time when that was the only way to do twin view
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> i found some very good examples on the gentoo forums/wiki pages
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Nvidia/twinview/xinerama has matured greately in the last year or so,
[07:15] <KingJere> I also might just blame it on poorly written software because most windows open very intelligently.
[07:15] <KingJere> Its just a few dialogues and such
[07:16] <KingJere> Thanks again, bye.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  i know that vmware has an issue like that.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> KingJere,  and some java apps do also.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> but those are the only 2 programs that ive noticed the  problems with
[07:17] <stevethepirate> hello
[07:17] <Ace2016> hi
[07:17] <stevethepirate> how would i see an external harddrive?
[07:17] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[07:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:17] <Schuenemann> come on
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> Schuenemann, ?
[07:18] <stevethepirate> Schuenemann: rather just get the .run off nvidia.com
[07:18] <smile> hi .. when i open any application i get this message (can't find MIME type application/octet-stream )
[07:18] <Schuenemann> where's the bot?
[07:18] <smile> anyhelp plz ?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard of some issues with using the latest  nvidia drivers and their .run installer.
[07:18] <stevethepirate> someone1!!! external drive!! howto?
[07:18] <Schuenemann> there he is
[07:18] <stevethepirate> Dr_Willis: works for me..
[07:18] <Schuenemann> Dr_Willis, I used apt-get
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> stevethepirate,  look in media:/ ? or mount them manually. what kind of drive is it. what filesystem..
[07:19] <stevethepirate> Don't
[07:19] <Ace2016> smile: thats a kde problem, caused by messing with filetypes and icons, #kde might be able to help more
[07:19] <stevethepirate> Dr_Willis: its a ntfs
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> stevethepirate,  then you proberly want to check the !ntfs factoid/forum/wiki page/info and mount them manually
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs
[07:19] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. i gotta get my old url listings some time.. had a few nice links to that exact info at one time.
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> work time for me. bye
[07:21] <Schuenemann> stevethepirate, that .run is for new cards only?
[07:21] <bobstro> i'm after a good "virtual kvm" that will let me access my 2nd machine's console (GUI), keyboard and mouse (and maybe audio) remotely. rather than a "remote session" like vnc, i would like access to the actual console. any recommendations?
[07:22] <bobstro> (both machines a ubuntu/debian)
[07:22] <ranjan> bobstro: search for synergy
[07:23] <bobstro> ranjan: that's what got me started, thanks. but i understand it still requires two displays, only sharing kb & mouse, no?
[07:24] <ranjan> bobstro: yes
[07:24] <ranjan> bobstro: what about okvm?
[07:27] <bobstro> ranjan: hmm. looks like it requires a pci card. promising, but a bit more than i need right now. thanks though! i was thinking along the lines of some of the "dual head" solutions that use two systems, but i can't seem to find anything.
[07:28] <ScarFreewill> rsync://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/ does not work
[07:28] <ranjan> bobstro: thats still a limitation with software KVMs as far as i know
[07:28] <bobstro> ranjan: ok, thanks again. i'll play around more with a vnc-type solution.
[07:31] <stevethepirate> why in god's name would i be getting 1meg a second copying to external drive?
[07:31] <stevethepirate> Schuenemann: no..
[07:32] <Schuenemann> stevethepirate, I won't need it anymore
[07:33] <bfreexxx> stevethepirate, do an hdparm on the drive?
[07:35] <schizm> stefan__:  USB 1.0?
[07:38] <stevethepirate> bfreexxx: fixed it.
[07:38] <stevethepirate> had to use ntfs-3g
[07:38] <stevethepirate> um
[07:39] <Schuenemann> earlier version means newer or older?
[07:39] <Daisuke_Ido> older
[07:44] <stevethepirate> whats that good wireless cracking app?
[07:44] <aegis> aircrack-ng
[07:44] <aegis> only works for WEP thoguh
[07:44] <stevethepirate> i'm looking for a WPA one...
[07:44] <aegis> well, I think it brute-forces WPA
[07:46] <stevethepirate> i'm hoping to a GUI one..
[07:46] <stevethepirate> a n00b has to use it..
[07:46] <squidy> hi guys.. i have a little question.. if a new feature is applied in ubuntu, like codec management in Feisty Fawn, this same feature is applied in kubuntu too? Is it always?
[07:48] <intelikey> initramfs relies too heavily on bios information.
[07:53] <Ayabara> anyone know of a good and simple app to write iptc captions to photos?
[07:54] <bfreexxx> anyone understand the kmenu hierarchy and .desktop files?
[07:54] <bfreexxx> i installed wine and it installed some .desktop files, but they dont show up in any menus
[07:54] <bfreexxx> bfreexxx@DaShiZniT:~$ locate wine | grep desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/wine.desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/wineconfig.desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/winefish.desktop
[07:54] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/applications/kde/wineconfig.desktop
[07:55] <bfreexxx> /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/System/wine.desktop
[07:57] <bfreexxx> i am trying kappfinder but it is not locating anything wine
[07:59] <jtt> k
[07:59] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: Why would desktop files show up in your menu?  They would show up on your desktop if anywhere.
[07:59] <intelikey> hmmm i figured that .desktop files were supposed to be,  ummm  desktop files !      not menu files
[08:00] <jhutchins> !paste | bfreexxx
[08:00] <ubotu> bfreexxx: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:00] <mikey> can't remember the name of the windows utility that you guys recommended to assign my linux share a drive letter in windows.  The utility suggested allowed read/write access too
[08:01] <intelikey> !smb
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <intelikey> !samba
[08:01] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:03] <bfreexxx> jhutchins, no, a file with .desktop extension is a meta-file for menu items
[08:03] <jhutchins> bfreexxx: According to what?
[08:03] <peepsalot> Anyone here using tomboy in KDE?
[08:03] <jhutchins> !info tomboy
[08:03] <ubotu> tomboy: desktop note taking program using Wiki style links. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 413 kB, installed size 2416 kB
[08:04] <mikey> not samba.  I've got two internal ide's in my pc.  When booted in windows, I launched a small utility that recognized my lunix partition and allowed me to assign a free drive letter to it.  Now, everytime I boot into windows, I see my linux partition
[08:04] <peepsalot> when i load tomboy, it makes a space in the system tray for it, but the icon is invisible.
[08:04] <peepsalot> it worked in Gnome
[08:04] <intelikey> e2fsexplorer.exe
[08:04] <mikey> works awesome, but I can'tremember the utility and I think I deleted it.
[08:04] <mikey> oh? maybe that's it.  Lemme have a look.  TY
[08:05] <bfreexxx> jhutchins, http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[08:05] <peepsalot> do others have this problem with tomboy, or is it just my messed up computer
[08:05] <intelikey> mikey there is another  explorer2fs.exe  or some such.   they are simular but different
[08:06] <mikey> ok. found one last night but it was not free...the one I used was :)
[08:06] <intelikey> mikey there is also a package to mount real file systems under windows,   but i've never used it.    i don't do windows any more.
[08:06] <peepsalot> so no one here uses tomboy?
[08:07] <mikey> ok ty
[08:07] <intelikey> peepsalot ! i
[08:08] <intelikey> imo grub is week and lame and not worth much.   why did they make it the default ?
[08:09] <bobstro> intelikey: what do you prefer?
[08:09] <intelikey> lilo
[08:09] <bobstro> intelikey: the prefer the interactive capabilities of grub.
[08:09] <bobstro> intelikey: er, *I* prefer
[08:10] <ranjan> peepsalot: basket over tonboy
[08:10] <intelikey> lilo is as interavtive if not more so
[08:10] <bobstro> intelikey: i got "locked out" of lilo a few too many times, and got tired of having to boot rescue cds.
[08:10] <mikey> hmm... Explore2fs is one but this one only allows read-only
[08:10] <bobstro> intelikey: maybe they've added to lilo.
[08:10] <bobstro> intelikey: don't you still have to make changes, then install the mbr with lilo?
[08:10] <jhutchins> Someone pointed out yesterday that with grub you can boot to kernels that aren't in the menu, and you can remove options from the kernel command line.
[08:11] <bobstro> jhutchins: yeah, i've used the interactive editing more than once recently.
[08:11] <jhutchins> lilo allows you to set the boot options for the next boot so you don't have to try to catch the boot menu, which I HATE havign to do.
[08:11] <peepsalot> !basket
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about basket - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:12] <bobstro> my recollection with lilo was that if i *forgot* something, recovery required a rescue cd.
[08:12] <intelikey> jhutchins well let me point out that moving you hd to a different cable will leave grub helpless because the initramfs depends on info passed to it  and doing the same with lilo has no affect you can still boot.
[08:12] <ranjan> !info basket
[08:12] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[08:13] <peepsalot> i don't get it
[08:13] <bobstro> intelikey: i guess i fat-finger config files more than i toss drives around.
[08:13] <ranjan> http://basket.kde.org/
[08:13] <intelikey> bobstro heh.
[08:14] <jhutchins> intelikey: Unless you move the boot drive...
[08:14] <unmanarc> i have some problems with my Intel 945GM....
[08:14] <bobstro> intelikey: i installed to a usb drive recently using grub, and have been able to move that around.
[08:14] <unmanarc> on Feisty kubuntu 7.04 live cd...
[08:14] <bobstro> intelikey: (can't say it's thoroughly tested though)
[08:14] <intelikey> jhutchins no.   it can still boot ok.
[08:15] <bobstro> intelikey: er, it can boot lilo menu, but won't pointers to root partition etc. still require edits?
[08:15] <unmanarc> i want to start with vesa drivers, but it doesnt work...
[08:15] <darktears> Hello!!!!I need a generous help ;) I have installed feisty (but the problem is the same in eidgy) and i have a little problem with my sound card HDA_intel i try lot of things : changing configuration file like modprobe ... and install last release candidate of ALSA... my sound card do'nt work i hear a big noise or no sound (it's random)
[08:15] <bobstro> intelikey: i suspect a lot depends on whether using ide, sata or usb drives.
[08:16] <bobstro> darktears: stupid question, but is your user a member of the audio group?
[08:16] <darktears> bobstro: how can i verify this (i'm a little bit noob :p)
[08:16] <bobstro> darktears: your default user should be, but i've wasted a lot of time "fixing" that problem withmor than one user.
[08:17] <bobstro> darktears: if you only have the user account you created at install, that should work.
[08:17] <darktears> bobstro: one user on computer (main user)
[08:17] <bobstro> darktears: ok, use regular troubleshooting then. others can probably help more than i with that sound setup.
[08:18] <mikey> bobstro: thanks from another nOOb...maybe that's why my recent debian install has no sound ;\
[08:18] <darktears> bobstro: i try to post on ubuntu forum but no response (i know that the problem is know but i try lot of things lot of things lol)
[08:18] <bobstro> mikey: heh. i finally tried my default user and was surprised when it worked.
[08:18] <josep> alguien de espaa
[08:19] <bobstro> darktears: and again, stupid things. mixer volume is turned up?
[08:19] <intelikey> bobstro well my bigest gripe is that grub is week.    in the first place it can only boot things that bios can read.   unlike lilo.    in the second place one kernel + initramfs.img pair  will boot this system from any disk if lilo does it but not if grub does it.      and last of all i haven't found a way to reorder the drives with grub.
[08:19] <josep> alguien habla en espaol
[08:19] <darktears> bobstro: yes ;) it was the first thing i look
[08:20] <darktears> bobstro: i hear a big noise :( (no noise if i mute the sound)
[08:20] <bobstro> intelikey: i suppose it depends on the problems you expect to encounter most. again, i'm not moving hardware around so much these days as trying to keep what i've got moving along smoothly after upgrades and such.
[08:20] <bobstro> darktears: does it work when you boot the livecd?
[08:22] <Daisuke_Ido> mmmkay, so i've got everything more or less running again
[08:22] <darktears> bobstro: no same noise
[08:22] <bobstro> darktears: what audio hardware do you have?
[08:24] <darktears> bobstro: when i use dapper same thing no sound i try to add modprobe snd_hda_intel model=stack3 and i works (execpt when the sound stop ramdomly) but in last versions i never hear good sound
[08:25] <intelikey> i guess i'm just too lazy to hand configure and hand build a new initramfs.img, specally for grub use, to find the root fs when grub kicks it off.  seeing that the pair has no problem finding the root fs when lilo kicks it off.
[08:25] <bobstro> darktears: ah, sorry i don't know enough about that hardware to help much. do you have that driver? is it possibly in restricted modules?
[08:26] <mikey> ok, found the utility.  Allows read/write of ext2 and ext3 shares in windows.  http://www.fs-driver.org/
[08:26] <darktears> bobstro:
[08:26] <darktears> carte  0: Intel [HDA Intel] , priphrique 0 : AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]
[08:26] <darktears>   Sous-priphriques: 1/1
[08:26] <darktears>   Sous-priphrique: #0: subdevice #0
[08:26] <darktears> sorry for the c/c
[08:27] <bobstro> darktears: you might just search for tips using that hardware with non-ubuntu distros. i often find hints on the other lists.
[08:27] <bobstro> intelikey: as i said, probably depends on what you do. i've never had to do such.
[08:27] <bobstro> (not manually)
[08:27] <darktears> bobstro: yes i'm little bit depserate i search i search bu no solution :(
[08:28] <Tonren> How can I get k3b to burn m4a files?
[08:30] <mikey> anybody have an opinion of koffice vs. openoffice?
[08:30] <soomon> hi i got some problem with my ubuntu egy (kernel <IP_ADDRESS>) .. i first installed the nvidia from automatix and now wanted to update to the latest version, but now my kernel sais: api mismatch, kernel module 1.0-7184 and X module 1.0-9755, how do i solve this?
[08:33] <soomon> anybody got an idea?
[08:34] <qsu> everybody is gone, soomon
[08:34] <soomon> :/
[08:34] <qsu> everybody is away from there computer, the went over to the darkside
[08:34] <qsu> wich is, eating pizza and drinking cola
[08:35] <bobstro> is automatix a good way to do such things if you're planning on upgrading?
[08:35] <bobstro> soomon: have you gone through the forums?
[08:35] <soomon> well i didn't plan to upgrade, but seems i have to :/
[08:35] <soomon> not yet
[08:35] <bobstro> soomon: i've read enough about automatix to make me hesitant to use it for exaclty that sort of reason.
[08:35] <bobstro> soomon: but there's plenty of nvidia info on the forums to be found.
[08:36] <bobstro> soomon: you have the restricted drivers installed?
[08:36] <soomon> well, the nvidia driver didn't want to install itself as he didn't find a matching kernel and also couldn't download one
[08:36] <soomon> so i took the one from automatix as i knew this one worked
[08:37] <renewip> Hi all!
[08:37] <renewip> I've installed my Feisty Fawn system
[08:38] <bobstro> soomon: FWIW - my nvidia is working on 2.6.17-11-generic with no problems.
[08:38] <renewip> And I can't understand why it found my IDE hard disk is /dev/sda
[08:38] <renewip> ???
[08:38] <renewip> any help?
[08:38] <bobstro> soomon: but i didn't use automatix, so not sure what it forces in.
[08:38] <intelikey> !automatix | soomon
[08:38] <ubotu> soomon: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:38] <renewip> it's normally /dev/hda (in Edgy)
[08:39] <intelikey> renewip they are using scsi emulation    every hd is now an scsi device
[08:40] <renewip> intelikey, and it is not wrong or error ?
[08:40] <renewip> and I still can use DMA?
[08:41] <intelikey> well it was intentional.    i think it's an error   but it was done on purpose
[08:41] <intelikey> renewip dma works yes
[08:42] <renewip> ok, thank you, intelikey
[08:42] <intelikey> that is to say.   i disagree with the logic behind the move.   ^
[08:46] <bobstro> intelikey: i know that was a thing years ago getting cd burners to work. i didn't realize it was coming back in vogue.
[08:47] <Creationist> Okay, I'm trying to get some cheap eGames working for my mother, but have failed so far.  I've tried using Cedega and Wine and apparently they don't support these games.
[08:47] <Creationist> I've tried installing Windows under VirtualBox (which works fine), but NO games will run in XP without a graphics accelerator, which the emulators don't support.
[08:47] <Creationist> Do I have any other options here?
[08:48] <bobstro> Creationist: and there aren't equivalent native linux games?
[08:48] <Creationist> bobstro: Nope.
[08:48] <bobstro> Creationist: which games?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> get an xbox
[08:48] <Creationist> BluesKaj: No Microsoft for me, thanks ;)
[08:48] <bobstro> BluesKaj: not exactly a *cheap* answer.
[08:49] <Creationist> bobstro: Doesn't necessarily even need to be cheap... but my mom bought herself 4 games last night and I really want her to be able to play them.
[08:49] <brianre001> Hello everyone
[08:49] <BluesKaj> gamrez...bah
[08:49] <bobstro> Creationist: we keep windows around here for the high-end games,b ut that's about it.
[08:49] <Creationist> I figured running Windows XP from within Linux would be doable, but nope... that's pointless.
[08:49] <brianre001> I need some help with something if someone has some time
[08:49] <bobstro> Creationist: ah. that may be an interesting support challenge.
[08:49] <bobstro> brianre001: just post away.
[08:50] <brianre001> For some reason my taskbar went away and I dont know how to get it back... help
[08:50] <bobstro> Creationist: looks like you'll be dealing with microsoft, like it or not!
[08:50] <bobstro> brianre001: the kde kicker?
[08:50] <brianre001> thats it....sorry for the misnaming
[08:51] <soulrider> is there a way to increase icon size in the desktop?
[08:51] <brianre001> use to win... well you know
[08:51] <soulrider> brianre001: press alt+f2 and type kicker
[08:51] <soulrider> see if somethign appears
[08:51] <pollyo> Anyone setup phpgedview from the repositories?
[08:51] <brianre001> Thank you I
[08:51] <brianre001> ll try it now
[08:52] <mikey> how can I get to the config file for virtual consoles?  I tried /etc/inittab with no luck
[08:53] <intelikey> mikey what are you trying to change ?
[08:53] <bobstro> soulrider: in systems settings->apprearance-> icons you can
[08:53] <brianre001> I justtried alt+f2 and nothing happened
[08:53] <mikey> was going to reduce the amount of consoles to free up some resources
[08:54] <intelikey> mikey upstart doesn't use an inittab file.
[08:54] <mikey> what is upstart?
[08:54] <peepsalot> init replacement
[08:54] <intelikey> mikey read up on upstart.     and 6 getty's  don't use much resources.
[08:54] <bobstro> brianre001: right-click on destkop and select "run" perhaps?
[08:55] <mikey> ok will do
[08:55] <intelikey> peepsalot SysVinit replacement.
[08:55] <intelikey> upstart is another init
[08:55] <brianre001> Nada bobstro
[08:56] <brianre001> how do you access the themes manager... that might be it
[08:56] <bobstro> brianre001: no run option when you right-click on desktop or nothing happened when you ran kicker?
[08:56] <brianre001> right
[08:56] <bobstro> ?
[08:56] <brianre001> i tried to run kicker and nothing
[08:57] <bobstro> brianre001: if you restart your session does it come back?
[08:57] <brianre001> Ill try an restart the session brb
[09:00] <brianre001> okay I just restarted my session... now heres the thing... when it starts its there but then it goes away
[09:00] <jhutchins> Of course, if you have an inittab, and you're using init, you still have to re-read the file to apply changes.
[09:01] <intelikey> init Q
[09:03] <brianre001> okay I just tried to run kicker in term but it says its already running
[09:04] <intelikey> hiding ?
[09:04] <intelikey> beryl ?
[09:04] <brianre001> maybe
[09:04] <intelikey> feisty ?
[09:04] <jtt> i have always had problems finding kde documentation. can anyone outline the steps to finding say information about kde autostart once the kde help menu is displayed
[09:04] <brianre001> beryl.... I think that may be the culprit... let me try something be right back
[09:05] <BluesKaj> brianre001, press alt and the left mouse button and move the cursor up , does the panel show ?
[09:06] <intelikey> assuming panel at bottom
[09:06] <BluesKaj> yup
[09:07] <BluesKaj> thinking his res is prolly 640x480 or some such
[09:07] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah.   i think beryl is the issue.
[09:09] <blackboe> Hey.
[09:09] <intelikey> well i fixed my grub issue.    i pitched grub out.
[09:09] <blackboe> I'm having some trouble with WINE
[09:09] <blackboe> Really? Grub worked fine for me
[09:10] <intelikey> yeah it does on most default setups
[09:10] <blackboe> Anyway, question. There's CD protection on this program I'm installing
[09:11] <blackboe> If it doesn't identify the CD as the original, it won't run
[09:12] <intelikey> blackboe is it the origenal ?
[09:16] <brianre001> okay Im back... to no avail was I able to get my kicker back...
[09:17] <BluesKaj> brianre001, press alt and the left mouse button and move the cursor up , does the panel show ?
[09:20] <brianre001> one moment
[09:21] <brianre001> Nothing
[09:22] <brianre001> It shows when I log on... but as soon as I do it goes away
[09:22] <intelikey> hmmmm at some point in the past i seem to have made some symlinks to /bin/true.   this is the list of them.  http://pastebin.ca/441568      i wonder if that will hurt anything ?
[09:23] <intelikey> brianre001 open a konsole and type   sudo killall kicker ;kicker
[09:23] <mmartin> Hi all. i run feisty beta on my laptop. if i leave it a few hours and walk back to see the screensaver it takes a long time to become responsive again and a "top" then reveals a process from haldaemon using 100% cpu. ideas?
[09:24] <intelikey> !feisty | mmartin
[09:24] <ubotu> mmartin: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:24] <mmartin> well i had the same problem on edgy
[09:24] <intelikey> yes but help and support for feisty is in #ubuntu+1
[09:25] <mmartin> ok ok even tho its bound to be the same problem ill hop over there
[09:26] <gansinho> please, how do I set adept to not look for upgrades in a particular package?
[09:26] <intelikey> mmartin my idea would be to "not use hal"
[09:26] <mmartin> what does hal actually do
[09:27] <mmartin> can i safely kill it
[09:27] <intelikey> !hal
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <intelikey> !info hal
[09:27] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[09:28] <intelikey> mmartin if you want to test you can    sudo /etc/init.d/hal* stop
[09:30] <intelikey> mmartin errr maybe not hal*   that would get halt too
[09:31] <intelikey> use the tab key.
[09:31] <mmartin> thankies
[09:31] <mmartin> i think its some hardware interaction thing
[09:31] <intelikey> Hardware Abstraction Layer < ^
[09:32] <intelikey> an Abstract of the hardware.
[09:32] <mmartin> halt is the only script in init.d
[09:32] <intelikey> hal has an init script.
[09:32] <mmartin> i might just disable the screensaver and tweak power options to alwyas on.
[09:34] <Cosmo_> I downloaded the .debs for my brother printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[09:35] <greg_g> does your brother know you are trying to use his printer?
[09:35] <greg_g> ;)
[09:35] <greg_g> but, to answer your question, sorry, I do not know
[09:36] <intelikey> Cosmo_ using a brother printer ?       i got this brother mfc-3360c to print but never did get it to scan or fax  ....
[09:36] <intelikey> and that was with the drivers from the site.
[09:37] <brianre001> okay... I am at my wits end here... I have no idea how to get kicker back
[09:37] <Cosmo_> intelikey: I have a brother fax-1840c I can't even get it to print
[09:38] <intelikey> Cosmo_ the driver from the site     the printer driver and the cups driver   you need both.
[09:38] <Cosmo_> intelikey: yeah I downloaded both
[09:38] <intelikey> the site has a how to
[09:39] <newtokubuntu> I have a question. I am running a nvidia 6600 with a dvi and analog out on it. My windows sees both monitors and works great but when I load into kubuntu it borks hardcore. Anyone know of a fix for this?
[09:39] <intelikey> it actually works for the printer  on the  3360  can't gurantee  any other.
[09:40] <intelikey> !nv | newtokubuntu
[09:40] <ubotu> newtokubuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:40] <intelikey> newtokubuntu that's supposed to work.  ^    failed for me.
[09:41] <intelikey> but then hey.   i'm not any good at following instructions.
[09:41] <peepsalot> #ubuntu+1
[09:41] <peepsalot> oops
[09:41] <intelikey> /join
[09:43] <intelikey> my idea of instructions is.     "do this this and this."   "no i don't want to do that, i'll do this and this."     "that wont wor*    how did you do that?"     " ok next "
[09:45] <intelikey> like i have a system that doesn't allow suid, on a disk that has no partitions.   which doesn't allow any logins.
[09:46] <intelikey> linux;    the non-confomist's * dream.
[09:47] <kalorin_> nah
[09:47] <kalorin_> that's mac
[09:47] <kalorin_> all those folks that want to dink thiffernt!
[09:48] <kalorin_> well
[09:48] <kalorin_> I think mac is for those that are all like those kids I see in highschool that want to all be nonconformists
[09:48] <kalorin_> and they do it all by looking and acting the same!
[09:48] <kalorin_> black hair, black fingernails
[09:49] <kalorin_> bunch of metal through their faces
[09:49] <kalorin_> pale and unhealthy lookin
[09:49] <intelikey> claydoh:   not the HS non-con.   the real world non-con.
[09:49] <intelikey> ! claydoh    stupid nick completion
[09:50] <intelikey> kalorin_ you mean those walking dead kids....   yeah not that.
[09:50] <kalorin_> yeah
[09:50] <kalorin_> they're like mac users
[09:50] <intelikey> lol
[09:51] <kalorin_> all so worried about not being main stream and different taht they're all the same
[09:51] <intelikey> yep
[09:51] <intelikey> generation  x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
[09:52] <intelikey> all alike.
[09:52] <kalorin_> nah, generation zzzzzzz
[09:52] <kalorin_> boring
[09:52] <intelikey> :)
[09:52] <intelikey> "same diff"   my daughter would say
[09:53] <intelikey> differance = same         odd statement imo
[09:53] <intelikey> Q what is the differance in a duck
[09:53] <intelikey> A one leg is both the same
[09:53] <korrx> nothing, except in the middle
[09:54] <intelikey> that's  ^   a good definition of "same diff"
[09:55] <intelikey> it's lion the richard harted     run for you lives
[09:56] <intelikey> ok boardumb has prevailed against me like giant.   i'll go break something now.
[09:59] <ergomez> hhola
[10:01] <ergomez> hola sabeis si hay algn messenger para linux
[10:01] <dawson> Hello, I have installed VMware and have successfully installed windows Vista upon a virtual computer, I am having an issue, every time i reboot i have to run the vmwares configuration file again, otherwise it won't start. Any suggestions ? Thanks.
[10:02] <Nicholas76> Hello
[10:04] <Zmax> Hi all
[10:04] <Zmax> I tried to install Kubuntu 6.10 but I got some problems:
[10:04] <Zmax> 1) After the blue progress bar my notebook monitor turns off
[10:05] <Zmax> 2) I tried using vesa driver
[10:05] <Zmax> but nothing
[10:05] <vinces1979> Zmax: what kind of laptop
[10:05] <Zmax> ASUS A7D
[10:06] <Zmax> with ATI Radeon X700
[10:06] <kalorin_> zmas
[10:06] <kalorin_> you have to install the xorg-drivers-ati package
[10:06] <Zmax> kalorin_, yes
[10:06] <vinces1979> Zmax: did you try booting recovery kernel?
[10:06] <kalorin_> I've got an x700 and had the same problem on my desktop
[10:06] <kalorin_> um...
[10:06] <kalorin_> heh
[10:06] <kalorin_> notebook still has the directions on it
[10:06] <kalorin_> nice
[10:07] <kalorin_> ok you want to edit the boot menu
[10:07] <kalorin_> adn remove the silent and splash options on the kernel, then boot it
[10:07] <kalorin_> (write this down)
[10:07] <kalorin_> then sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:07] <kalorin_> sudo aticonfig --initial
[10:08] <kalorin_> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[10:08] <kalorin_> then type startx
[10:08] <kalorin_> that'll get you to a graphical installer, then you'll need to do the exact same thing again after it installs
[10:08] <kalorin_> cause it'll boot off the live cd after you install all the drivers, but it wouldn't install those drivers when it does the install
[10:08] <kalorin_> k?
[10:08] <kalorin_> there was some webpage that I found that laid that all out
[10:09] <kalorin_> total PITA
[10:09] <Zmax> ok
[10:09] <Zmax> I'll try that, thank you
[10:09] <kalorin_> sure
[10:09] <kalorin_> had to look it up like 3 times
[10:10] <kalorin_> cause I did an xubutnu install
[10:10] <kalorin_> then eventually decided I wanted to run kubuntu
[10:10] <kalorin_> and then nuked the machine to redo the partitions at one point and had to use it again
[10:10] <kalorin_> but it'll boot, and run the ASCII xconfigurator
[10:10] <kalorin_> and complain it can't find a driver, just exit there and it'll drop you to a command line
[10:11] <kalorin_> then you can grab the right driver and startx when you've got it configured
[10:18] <voidmage> I'm working on migrating from firefox to konqueror
[10:18] <voidmage> How can I import cookies, passwords, bookmarks, and history?
[10:19] <kalorin_> why?
[10:19] <kalorin_> firefox >>>
[10:19] <voidmage> Because I want to try konqueror.
[10:19] <voidmage> Also, how can I make gmail use ssl in konqueror?
[10:19] <kalorin_> heh
[10:19] <kalorin_> I wasn't very impressed with it for the first couple of days so I just nixed it
[10:20] <kalorin_> I use it for local file system exploration and that's about it
[10:20] <voidmage> I'm getting fed up with firefox being a resource hog and crashing every so often
[10:20] <voidmage> Or worse, not crashing but failing to render pages unless I reload it several times
[10:20] <kalorin_> can't say that I've noticed htat but I've heard that from other folks
[10:22] <ewgeni90> hi
[10:23] <linux_kid> Can I install Kubuntu on top of GNOME without messing with gdm or the splash screen?
[10:23] <ewgeni90> why linux dont use the exe files?
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ewgeni90: because it isn't windows
[10:24] <kalorin_> ewgeni90: because it's not windows?
[10:24] <kalorin_> heh
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> linux_kid: yes
[10:24] <kalorin_> *high five*
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ^5
[10:24] <voidmage> linux_kid: Yes, just apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[10:24] <voidmage> linux_kid: Yes, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa, deja vu
[10:25] <ewgeni90> and how i did install programs with .exe?
[10:25] <kalorin_> like which program with .exe?
[10:25] <ewgeni90> the google sketchup
[10:25] <kalorin_> sounds like you want to install windows software on linux
[10:26] <kalorin_> you'll either need to use an emulator like WINE
[10:26] <word> google usually has linux versions...
[10:26] <ewgeni90> http://sketchup.google.com/
[10:26] <ewgeni90> this
[10:26] <kalorin_> or a virutal machinee like vmware
[10:26] <kalorin_> sorry no linux version
[10:26] <word> only windows and mac versions...you'll have to use wine
[10:26] <linux_kid> Daisuke_Ido, voidmage, thank you
[10:27] <kalorin_> looks neat though
[10:27] <ewgeni90> :( i dont like windows
[10:27] <kalorin_> picassa does linux with wine
[10:27] <ewgeni90> i like only linux!
[10:27] <kalorin_> it might work
[10:27] <_chocobo> anybody know a repository that i can get freenx from?
[10:27] <_chocobo> I have tried almost everythign
[10:27] <Daisuke_Ido> !info freenx
[10:28] <ubotu> Package freenx does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:28] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[10:28] <kalorin_> what is it?
[10:28] <_chocobo> i heard u could use the one fro LTS for edgy
[10:29] <ewgeni90> in new version of ubuntu linux ,the programs install automatically?
[10:29] <word> o.O
[10:29] <kalorin_> yes, ewgeni90, you just think about them and they automagically install
[10:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ewgeni90: as in all versions, you install programs from the repositories
[10:29] <kalorin_> and even configure correctly for you
[10:30] <Daisuke_Ido> !software
[10:30] <s0nix> Hi, is there a way to synchronize ALL Kontact information (including all plugins, note, read mail, todo list, contacts) ? cause i want to use this wonderful software on my home pc AND on my laptop. thx for ur answer
[10:30] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[10:30] <word> kalorin_: shush
[10:30] <kalorin_> (my answer was more fun)
[10:30] <dodol> test
[10:30] <dodol> ehm .. its working :D
[10:30] <dodol> my first kubuntu box :D
[10:30] <ewgeni90> ah, i understand
[10:30] <dodol> sorry :D
[10:30] <ewgeni90> so i wait the new version of ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:31] <Daisuke_Ido> dodol: welcome to the cult :D
[10:31] <Daisuke_Ido> ewgeni90: the new version is coming out in a few days
[10:31] <ewgeni90> okay
[10:32] <ewgeni90> the kubuntu version have a new version but is it BETA version, i dont like BETA versions
[10:34] <word> ewgeni90: depends on what you use it for, i've been using feisty since alpha, it's had it's share of problems.
[10:34] <dodol> hi all... i can't hear anything from my kubuntu (KDE), what should I do? any links? (help me pleas :| )
[10:34] <Arwen> can anyone here me?
[10:34] <word> yes..
[10:35] <Arwen> ok, good, net send flood is over,,,
[10:35] <x2Fusion> Download today, http://beam.to/picy
[10:35] <word> spam...
[10:36] <kalorin_> do you think it'll run under WINE?
[10:37] <Daisuke_Ido> think what will run under wine
[10:37] <kalorin_> [16:37]  <x2Fusion> Download today, http://beam.to/picy
[10:37] <kalorin_> why, untitled.exe of course!
[10:38] <Daisuke_Ido> dunno what it is, i don't click unsolicited links, especially not beam.to, sling.to shoot.to, whatever's new this week
[10:39] <word> My x server randomly restarts....the problem usually happens while running a graphics intensive program like a game..but it's also happened without it...this is the last section of my xorg.log - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/ any ideas?
[10:39] <kalorin_> tu.to?
[10:39] <kalorin_> :)
[10:39] <Daisuke_Ido> pink.tu.to
[10:39] <ewgeni90> :)
[10:39] <ewgeni90> :P
[10:40] <ewgeni90> my english its dont corect :(
[10:40] <kalorin_> signal 11 is an overflow isn't it?
[10:40] <Daisuke_Ido> well, it's something about the keyboard it doesn't like
[10:40] <kalorin_> do you hae the correct keyboard set up in the xconfig?
[10:40] <kalorin_> er xorg.conf
[10:41] <kalorin_> you didn't select some wacko specialized keyboard that sort of matched what you have did you?
[10:41] <sgomes> hello everyone! I'm getting random X crashes, any way I can diagnose this? /var/log/Xorg.log seems useless
[10:42] <word> kalorin_: um..i don't 'think' so...i have a qwerty us keyboard :-/ let me look in my xorg.conf..
[10:43] <word> kalorin_: adding section for the keyboard config in the xorg.conf to pastebin..refresh in a few seconds...
[10:43] <kalorin_> driver kbd for the generic keyboard
[10:44] <kalorin_> word, I don't see any update
[10:44] <kalorin_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15747/
[10:44] <shawn34> just installed kubuntu/Edgy, have nvidia geforce 440 go 64m, how do i install the nvidia drivers?
[10:45] <kalorin_> !nvidia
[10:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:45] <word> kalorin_: yah...for some reason the pastebin thinks i'm a spammer...i'm gonna have to use a different one
[10:45] <Cosmo_> I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[10:46] <kalorin_> I had that deal at some point as well
[10:46] <word> kalorin_: http://pastebin.us/24458
[10:46] <kalorin_> it'd be nice to just have the ability to just make a channel here nad chat or dcc chat
[10:46] <dsmith_> kalorin_: you can make your own roooms
[10:46] <kalorin_> um... try this
[10:48] <kalorin_> ok refresh it
[10:48] <word> This is gonna be crazy to figure out if any fix is working...because sometimes it takes 4 hours of a graphics heavy game for it to crash >< others..2 minutes..
[10:48] <kalorin_> guess your'e going to have to spend some time killin' things
[10:48] <kalorin_> :)
[10:48] <kalorin_> so I changd your model to a 105key deal
[10:49] <kalorin_> and I'm not sure what the option XkbOptions is for but it does something with that 105th key I'd guess
[10:49] <_chocobo> Hey anybody use FreeNX before?
[10:49] <kalorin_> Id' just comment what you've got and put in those 3 lines I changed
[10:49] <kalorin_> that's what I've got in my config
[10:49] <kalorin_> heh
[10:50] <kalorin_> I've got 2x windows keys + 1x menu key on the right side between the space and CTRL
[10:50] <kalorin_> thus 105
[10:50] <kalorin_> wondering if you're hitting that key and it doesn't know what to do with the input and blows up
[10:50] <word> i counted 104 :-/
[10:52] <word> ...and i just counted 105...lol..
[10:52] <shawn34> i have a amd, should i install the k7 kernal or the 386 kernal? the generic kernal is installed currently
[10:52] <kalorin_> uncross your eyes :)
[10:52] <word> ><
[10:52] <kalorin_> shawn34: I've got an athlon64 3200+ and it runs great iwth the generic stuf
[10:55] <rjb> how's wifi support coming along in feisty?
[10:55] <word> kalorin_: 90% sure it's 104
[10:55] <rjb> should i expect upgrade trouble with my broadcom 43xx?
[10:56] <word> kalorin_: >.> i suck at counting..
[10:58] <word> kalorin_: so..if you're right..then i could press all the buttons and theoratically crash right?
[10:59] <sgomes> I'll guess I'll try asking again... I'm getting random X crashes in feisty, any way I can diagnose this?
[10:59] <jhutchins> shawn34: They've incorporated support for pretty much any chip in the generic kernel.  It auto-selects the best options for your chip.
[10:59] <jhutchins> sgomes: You'd probably have better luck in the feisty channel, #ubuntu+1
[10:59] <sgomes> jhutchins: thanks
[11:00] <jhutchins> sgomes: Make sure you tell 'em what chipset you've got and what drivers you're running.
[11:00] <kalorin_> word, well it could be a combination of buttons or something
[11:00] <kalorin_> like you said it's random
[11:00] <sgomes> jhutchins: will do :)
[11:00] <kalorin_> but I would think it's possible yes
[11:01] <word> i've been sitting back watching it and it's happened :-/
[11:02] <word> but i suppose it could take a few seconds for it to explode :-/
[11:03] <kalorin_> I hate to say good luck with blowing up your system
[11:04] <kalorin_> but um... good luck :)
[11:06] <voidmage> Is there a way to set up konqueror to have ctrl+enter add .com to a url?
[11:09] <jhutchins> voidmage: Interesting thought.  Might ask in #kde, or submit it as a feature request.  Maybe you could cycle through .org and .net by repeating.
[11:09] <jhutchins> voidmage: (Submit to kde, not kubuntu.)
[11:12] <jack_> hi, using cups how can i use economic printing settings?
[11:14] <jack_> it offers me in the properties sth but the pahes still come out with full ink
[11:15] <jhutchins> jack_: Have you used the settings with something other than cups where it came out differently?
[11:17] <Cosmo_>  I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[11:18] <slow-motion> n8
[11:18] <word> kalorin_: well restarting x and gonna...play a game for awhile lol i'll let you know how it goes
[11:19] <jack_> like generic unix lpd printings system, no, but i will..where would i find the option print economically ? in the properties tab, directly before i print?
[11:20] <jack_> jhutchins:  like generic unix lpd printings system, no, but i will..where would i find the option print economically ? in the properties tab, directly before i print?
[11:20] <kalorin_> k
[11:22] <jack_> jhutchins: it only offers in the graphics resolution dialog 360 x 120 dpi economic, would that be the right thing to choose cos i see nothing else related
[11:23] <ma_[R] _co> hey
[11:23] <ma_[R] _co> una mano su un hard disck fat32
[11:24] <jhutchins> jack_: With a lot of printers there doesn't seem to be any difference.
[11:25] <jhutchins> ma_[R] _co: Sorry, english?
[11:25] <jhutchins> !es | ma_[R] _co
[11:25] <ubotu> ma_[R] _co: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:26] <jack_> jhutchins: how would you force your printer to print economically cos its the epson dx5050 i'm glad that it even prints atall cos its pretty new
[11:27] <jhutchins> jack_: Like I said, on a lot of printers it doesn't make any difference.
[11:28] <jack_> ok, so it just would work?do you know how to add a blan out x for deleting the interent address bar like in the konqueror to the firefox?
[11:28] <jack_> blank out sorry
[11:29] <ergomez> eoeoe
[11:29] <ergomez> espaol?
[11:29] <Stardog> uhm... howto do a screenshot in terminal with delay?
[11:30] <philphoto> evening folks.  I'm trying to set up my epson scanner & would like to know what this means: "You also need to set up the environment variable SANEI_EPKOWA_FIRMWAREFILE to point to the firmware file esfw54.bin."
[11:31] <ergomez> espaol?
[11:31] <soulrider> !es
[11:31] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:32] <ergomez> gracias
[11:32] <Stardog> !screenshot
[11:32] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[11:34] <chijin> or by running ksnapshot
[11:35] <philphoto> anyone here use vuescan?
[11:38] <dsmith_> question: How can I stop a runaway process?
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> dsmith_, kill <PID>
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> dsmith_, or killall <process name>
[11:42] <Kubuntero> :O
[11:43] <dsmith_> thx willy
[11:43] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: I'm trying to find out what this means: You also need to set up the environment variable SANEI_EPKOWA_FIRMWAREFILE to point to the firmware file esfw54.bin.
[11:43] <dsmith_> superkaramba is freaking out on me
[11:44] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, do you know what an environment variable is?
[11:44] <philphoto> I just don't get the "setup environment profile to point to" part.
[11:44] <philphoto> NOPE
[11:45] <philphoto> still learning this OS.  I'm trying to get my scanner set up
[11:45] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, all it is is a varible that the system shell sets
[11:45] <kofler> How would I prevent a program from starting up at boot?
[11:45] <kofler> Like lighttpd starts up at boot and I don't want it to start until certain drives are mounted.
[11:46] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you can set them manually yourself like ENVIRONMENT_VARIBLE="/usr/local/" or something else to that effect
[11:47] <kofler> Anyone?
[11:47] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: this is why I have this question.  in vuescan:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15868/
[11:47] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, what you need to do is find where the file its looking for is and set the required env var to that path
[11:47] <philphoto> yowza.
[11:48] <caffeinism> Sooo... I got the newest live CD from kubuntu... My computer freezes up when the little bouncy loading bar comes up.
[11:49] <caffeinism> I googled it and searched the forums.
[11:49] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, its actually pretty easy, what i would do is write a quick shell script to do it then launch the program with that
[11:49] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you could also set it up on boot, but im not sure how ubuntu does that
[11:49] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: so would that look like "sudo SANEI_EPKOWA_FIRMWAREFILE=esfw54.bin"  ??
[11:50] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, that should work
[11:50] <philphoto> I can't write scripts.  I just started this arcania a few weeks ago
[11:50] <kofler> How would I prevent a program from starting up at boot?
[11:50] <kofler> Like lighttpd starts up at boot and I don't want it to start until certain drives are mounted.
[11:51] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, scripts are easy, its just a series of commands for the os to run with #!/bin/sh at the top
[11:51] <philphoto> do I have to put in a file path for the env var to properly see where the file is lcated?
[11:51] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yeah, it'll need the full path
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, actually, the package might set that up for you when you install it, maybe...
[11:52] <philphoto> no, it didn't set that up
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> oh, ok
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> hard way then
[11:53] <philphoto> I'm a little confused about the last part of that pastebin entry I sent.
[11:53] <philphoto> "For newer versions of iscan, set up ISCAN_FW_DIR instead."
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, newer versions of the program will read that environment variable instead
[11:53] <philphoto> is that the name of the env var instead of the longer one in this case?
[11:54] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, probably
[11:55] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: ok, so first, i find esfw54.bin, then remember the full path to the file, then setup the env var
[11:55] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yup
[11:55] <philphoto> hitmanwilly: like this  "sudo ISCAN_FW_DIR=/filepath.../.../esfw54.bin"
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you don't need sudo for that
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, also, put the path in quotes
[11:56] <philphoto> ok, but for the most part that command looks viable?
[11:56] <philphoto> quotes, huh?
[11:56] <hitmanWilly> should work, yeah
[11:57] <philphoto> excellent.  thanks
[11:57] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, also, look into shell scripting, it makes things SO much easier
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> just a suggestion
[11:58] <philphoto> hitmanWilly:  ok,  now those quotes are like these:  "..."  ?
[11:58] <hitmanWilly> yes
[11:58] <philphoto> thanks
[11:59] <hitmanWilly> the path is a string, which needs the quotes
[11:59] <hitmanWilly> iirc
[12:00] <philphoto> well, I ran it in shell & then it just went to the next command line.
[12:00] <philphoto> I was expecting something to happen.  is it that simple?
[12:00] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try typing this echo $<name of env var>
[12:01] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, it should show what you just put into it
[12:01] <philphoto> I got command not found.
[12:01] <hitmanWilly> echo??? not found????
[12:01] <bill_k> anyone have experience with grub conf?  (installed vista over xp+kubuntu), now i only see vista bootloader which gives me option of xp or vista
[12:01] <philphoto> ok, perhaps I'll use the longer version previously mentioned in setup util text
[12:02] <hitmanWilly> how is echo not found?
[12:02] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, type echo in konsole right quick
[12:02] <bill_k> booted to kubuntu with live-cd now, tried "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" and got "cannot find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device"
[12:03] <philphoto> nothing happens
[12:04] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try "echo $ISCAN_FW_DIR"
[12:04] <hitmanWilly> with the $
[12:04] <philphoto> sweet
[12:05] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: I got "/usr/share/iscan/esfw54.bin"
[12:05] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, you scared me for a minute there, echo is pretty important
[12:05] <philphoto> I have no idea, so thanks
[12:05] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, i thought you might not have it on the system
[12:06] <hitmanWilly> that's BAD
[12:06] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, did you literally type in <nameof env var>?
[12:07] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, generally speaking, whenever someone puts something in <> it means "don't literally type this"
[12:08] <philphoto> no
[12:08] <philphoto> I didn't just copy/past the whole thing
[12:08] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, ok, nevermind then
[12:08] <philphoto> I typed in the env variable that I thought I'd changed
[12:08] <philphoto> right, right.
[12:09] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, probably a typo someplace
[12:09] <philphoto> ok so I'm still getting the error that I do not have the proper driver installed, though I do.
[12:09] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, try the other env variable then
[12:10] <philphoto> I think the problem lies in this: "make sure you have /usr/lib/libesint54.so from..."
[12:10] <pieman> is there anyway i can run a php script from the commnad like i can with perl/java ?
[12:11] <philphoto> I have that file, but it is not in exactly that location.
[12:11] <shawn34> sry
[12:11] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, do you know how to make a symbolic link?
[12:11] <philphoto> it's in the /usr/lib directory, but it has it's own folder.
[12:11] <philphoto> nope