[07:06] <dpm> good morning all
[07:09] <nigelb> Morning dholbach, dpm :)
[07:09] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <nigelb> Release week \m/
[07:25] <AlanBell> party week \o/
[08:09] <czajkowski> it's release week alright just saw robbie and pete this morning on the way to work
[08:15] <jussi> czajkowski: what were they doing, sitting around sipping iced tea? :P
[08:16] <dholbach> hey jono, hey erward
[08:16] <erward> good morning dholbach
[08:18] <jono> hey dholbach
[08:18] <jono> erward, sorry, won't be long
[08:20] <czajkowski> walking
[08:21] <czajkowski> onew of the bus stops I stop at in the morning is close to Millbank
[09:06] <popey> Morning all
[09:07] <czajkowski> popey: Greetings
[09:33] <head_victim> popey: got a minute for a pm?
[09:34] <head_victim> RE: -users
[09:57] <popey> ya
[10:12] <nigelb> Morning popey!
[10:19] <akgraner> Hi all gotta kick recruitment for Open Week into hight gear  - Is there a particular session you all would like to see on the schedule or give?
[10:20] <akgraner> please add it or let me know who to go ask about a particular subject
[10:20] <czajkowski> akgraner: saw your hubby this mroning on the way to work
[10:20] <czajkowski> clearly tell it's release week
[10:20] <czajkowski> is it a bit late to be doing open week
[10:20] <czajkowski> so close to release and then UDS
[10:21] <akgraner> this is when we always do open week
[10:21] <akgraner> right after the release but right before UDS
[10:21] <akgraner> nothing new there...:-)
[10:21] <czajkowski> yeah but we seem to be organising it really late
[10:21] <akgraner> cool - yeah I haven't seen much of him these last 2 months
[10:22] <akgraner> we started 6 weeks ago
[10:22] <czajkowski> really not heard of it till today
[10:22] <Pendulum> I think jorge put a call out beginning of September
[10:22] <Pendulum> (for speakers)
[10:22] <akgraner> well then you haven't seen jcastro and I talking about it - or watched the mailing lists
[10:22] <Pendulum> I remember seeing something
[10:23] <akgraner> czajkowski, sorry this is the first you are hearing about it -
[10:23] <akgraner> but we've been discussing it :-)
[10:23] <czajkowski> akgraner: it's not personal
[10:23] <czajkowski> i just said I've not heard it
[10:23] <czajkowski> and september was a long time ago
[10:23] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[10:28] <akgraner> czajkowski, I didn't take it personally  - what gets me is I ask for help and get the "it's late to be scheduling"  - we know that  - all we need is a little help not stating the obvious that's all...:-)  Not mad just would like some suggestions or help...that's all...:-)
[10:49]  * popey hugs dholbach
[10:49]  * dholbach hugs popey back :)
[10:50]  * czajkowski spots the huggers
[10:50]  * czajkowski hugs joins in and hugs dholbach and popey
[10:50] <czajkowski> GROUP HUG
[10:53]  * dholbach_ hugs you all
[11:13] <czajkowski> dholbach: you in London ?
[11:59] <dholbach> czajkowski, nope
[11:59] <dholbach> Berlin :)
[12:00] <czajkowski> dholbach: boo you never come over :(
[12:01] <dholbach> same is true for all you guys... when did I last see you in Berlin? :)
[12:01] <popey> :D
[12:02] <popey> You tell 'em dholbach !
[12:02] <nigelb> dholbach: lol, good one :D
[12:05] <czajkowski> dholbach: it's on my to visit place! but all the other canoniocal folks come here was hoping you'd come here too
[12:05] <czajkowski> :/
[12:07] <dholbach> yeah, it's all the important folks who get to get there
[12:10] <czajkowski> dholbach: don't say such things, you're important
[12:10] <czajkowski> dholbach: say it with me, I dholbach am important to the Ubuntu community :)n I provide hugs
[12:10] <dholbach> haha
[12:10] <czajkowski> <--- lack of sleep and pain killers may be clear today :)
[13:05] <jono> dpm, hey
[13:05] <jono> will be two mins and then call?
[13:05] <dpm> hey jono, sure
[13:05] <jono> dpm, thanks
[13:09] <jono> dpm, lets do Skype
[13:09] <dpm> jono, ok, firing it up
[13:13] <dpm> jono, http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.10-translation-stats.html
[13:19] <jono> dholbach, you free now
[13:19] <jono> ?
[13:21]  * dpm goes for a break
[13:23] <jcastro> whoa dpm
[13:23] <jcastro> edit much? :)
[13:24] <dholbach> jono, yep
[13:27] <jcastro> I need people to sign up for openweek! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[13:27] <jcastro> next person who talks will get autoassigned
[13:27] <jcastro> :)
[13:28] <jcastro> akgraner: thanks for the 2nd call for help
[13:28]  * jcastro will catch us up today by being annoying on IRC
[13:28] <dholbach> I'm on there already, so I can go babble on and on
[13:28] <jcastro> heh
[13:28] <dholbach> jcastro, let me help you
[13:28] <dholbach> dpm, ping
[13:29] <akgraner> jcastro, emailing LoCo contacts now...
[13:29] <jcastro> I am working on DX, and will just go team to team
[13:29] <akgraner> and I'll blog about it in about an hour - then jump back over to UWN and once that's finished I'll poke some people's...
[13:30] <akgraner> jcastro, cool  - I asked ken but I think he is slammed so don't ask him again :-)
[13:32]  * popey cuddles jcastro
[13:32] <jcastro> nice, an action
[13:34] <jono> dholbach, lets do Skype
[13:35] <dholbach> ok
[13:46] <czajkowski> action item:DONE yay
[14:12] <pleia2> jcastro: is jane's talk from last week online anywhere? (doing an 11.10 talk tomorrow and seeing her demo of juju/orchestra/server stuff would be muy helpful to me actually describing it all
[14:12] <jcastro> no, but rackspace taped them all
[14:13] <jcastro> as soon as I get it I'll let you know
[14:13] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[14:13] <jcastro> I sent the organizer a mail but today is a holiday, I'll let you know as soon as I know
[14:14] <pleia2> rackspace gets off for columbus day? I need a job that gets off for columbus day :)
[14:14] <jcastro> we are off today
[14:14] <jcastro> but of course, I didn't know that
[14:14] <jcastro> so I'm sitting here, lol
[14:14] <pleia2> haha
[14:14] <jcastro> I guess I'll ask for Friday off instead
[14:14] <cjohnston> Columbus day is Wednesday!
[14:14] <pleia2> cjohnston: sorry, (observed) :)
[14:14] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:23] <dpm> dholbach, back
[14:23] <dpm> sorry, I was having a late lunch
[14:23] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, I added some application-development tags to questions I saw relevant
[14:24] <dholbach> dpm, I tried to trick you into giving a UOW session
[14:24] <dholbach> dpm, jcastro said "next person who speaks will be auto-volunteered"
[14:25] <jcastro> hahaha
[14:25] <jcastro> WHAT A TRAP.
[14:25] <dpm> dholbach, ah, no worries, I wanted to sign up for one anyway, I just got sidetracked last time I looked at the schedule
[14:25] <dholbach> jcastro, I said "let me help you"
[14:25] <jcastro> I think pleia and cjohnston fell into it too
[14:25] <jcastro> Labrea Speaker Tarpit
[14:25] <dholbach> (I was "safe" already.)
[14:25] <dpm> dholbach, btw, I'll use this fine technique of yours next time I organize an Ubuntu week...
[14:26] <jcastro> "I was voluntold to lead this session"
[14:27] <akgraner> that's my favorite jcastro quote ^^^
[14:28] <dpm> jcastro, dholbach, done - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable
[14:29] <cjohnston> if jcastro pays for my internet for the cruise I may think about giving a session
[14:29] <jcastro> forget about internet on a cruise
[14:29] <jcastro> it's expensive
[14:29] <jcastro> I didn't even bother
[14:30] <jcastro> also, you're on a cruise, who needs internets
[14:30] <cjohnston> lol
[14:30] <cjohnston> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin school :-/
[14:30] <cjohnston> uggh.
[14:30] <cjohnston> in school.
[14:30] <dpm> jcastro, do you think it might be worth doing a "Getting Started with App Development" or "Writing Your First Ubuntu App" as well? I could probably do one more, I'm just concerned that it doesn't get too technical
[14:31] <akgraner> dpm, thank you!
[14:34] <dpm> I'll just go for it, there you go, another session
[14:42] <jcastro> dpm: I think we should
[14:42] <jcastro> Like, we should go pedal to the metal on all app dev stuff
[14:42] <akgraner> I would love to learn more about that - how basic will it be :-)
[14:42] <jcastro> hey do we know how many apps have been approved yet?
[14:42] <akgraner> (I totally asking for selfish reasons now)
[14:43] <akgraner> jcastro, do we want/need a Basic skills for leading volunteer organizations session?
[14:43] <akgraner> not that it's about 11.10 but it does benefit the community?
[14:44] <jcastro> sure, why not
[14:44] <jcastro> hey dholbach I have a question
[14:44] <jcastro> when you mailed all the people for the survey
[14:44] <jcastro> how did you get the email addresses?
[14:45] <dpm> jcastro, I think the ISD myapps team is working on a way of automatically reporting how many apps are approved. I know wendar has been reviewing a lot of the libre+free ones, but I don't think any of them have been approved for oneiric yet
[14:45] <cjohnston> back to this?
[14:45] <jcastro> dpm: any for natty?
[14:46] <dholbach> jcastro, from LP
[14:49] <dpm> jcastro, all the ones submitted have been targeted for oneiric afaik. So we had 2 for maverick, 0 for natty (and will probably stay like this) and hopefully a few for oneiric (they are under review now, let me check how many)
[15:09] <jono> dholbach, sorry not had a chance to review the survey yet, been locked in this session
[15:10] <dholbach> jono, no worries
[15:11] <dpm> jcastro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board
[15:41] <jcastro> hey scott-work, plenty of room for a ubuntu studio session!
[15:41] <nigelb> I was thinking of a hacking on launchpad session
[15:41] <jcastro> yeah!
[15:43] <nigelb> DOes it seem too offtopic?
[15:43] <nigelb> I don't think I can cover it in one session either.
[15:45] <jcastro> I was thinking maybe somethign more end user related
[15:46] <jcastro> maybe like, reporting your first bug
[15:46] <jcastro> simple stuff
[15:46] <akgraner> oh I could use a session on bug reporting
[15:46] <akgraner> I don't know how to do it if the little box doesn't pop up to ask me to report a bug
[15:51] <dpm> jcastro, how can I mark questions as duplicates in askubuntu?
[15:52] <jcastro> I don't think you have the rep yet
[15:52] <jcastro> you can either flag it
[15:52] <jcastro> or just paste them in here and I can do it
[15:52] <jcastro> if you flag it just say "this is a duplicate of this question" and then it will go in the review queue
[15:56] <akgraner> jcastro, charlie-tca will be doing an Xubuntu session - just added it
[15:56] <jcastro> \o/
[15:56] <jcastro> man, you're beating me
[15:56] <akgraner> Waiting on RIck to let me know where to put him in on the schedule
[15:56] <akgraner> and I'll add the leadership one in just a few
[15:56] <jcastro> dang
[15:56] <jcastro> I am behind!
[15:56] <akgraner> getting my machine un borked
[16:00] <dpm> jcastro, these are the ones, I saw them while tagging application-development ones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7391/is-there-a-dreamweaver-html-editor-replacement and http://askubuntu.com/questions/38343/dreamweaver-alternative-in-ubuntu
[16:01] <dpm> oh, and http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver
[16:04]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:08] <jcastro> wow nice
[16:08] <jcastro> three!
[16:10] <jcastro> dpm: hey if the question is good don't forget to vote on it
[16:10] <jcastro> also, the answers, heh
[16:11] <dpm> jcastro, ok, just tagging everything I find relevant for now, I'll go through the questions and answers afterwards, I'm still new to askubuntu
[16:11]  * jcastro nods
[16:11] <jcastro> this is awesome, you totally filled up my queue when I work up, AWWWW YEAH.
[16:18] <czajkowski> ah scott kitterman has woken up, my inbox just got attacked
[16:19] <czajkowski> whoo my oneiric t-shirt has been shipped, wonder how bad it's gonna look on a woman wiht them paw prints
[16:19] <czajkowski> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=891 paws are kinda in the wrong place
[16:21] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/10/10/encouraging-membership/ decided to actually poke people re membership as there are people on irc who do a fantastic job and dont even know they can go for membership and also Marianna and Maria I've both mailed to go for it also
[16:22] <czajkowski> as dear gods the work they've done and do re UDS and shippit
[16:22] <czajkowski> worth it alone, they really do go above and beyond interaction with the community
[16:22] <akgraner> czajkowski, glad you mentioned it to them - I told them the same thing UDS before last :-)
[16:23] <czajkowski> oh I didnt know who their managers were I do now so mailed mark and tol him to go poke people
[16:24] <czajkowski> they've both mailed since and said they will
[16:24] <czajkowski> so will help them
[16:24] <pleia2> yay :)
[16:24] <czajkowski> I don't do subtle
[16:35] <nigelb> akgraner: hggdh can be convinced to do a how to file a bug session ;)
[16:42] <akgraner> hggdh, nigelb just threw you under the bus :-)
[16:43] <nigelb> lol
[16:48] <akgraner> jcastro, victorp is checking with roadmr for an Ubuntu Friendly session... but victorp said if not roadmr then he or ara will give the session
[16:53] <dpm> jcastro, what's the convention for tags in askubuntu? I'd like to add one for the ARB, and I'm wondering whether it should be 'arb' or 'app-review-board' or 'application-review-board'
[17:11] <akgraner> jcastro,  forgot about this - only in a perfect world - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Organization
[17:16] <akgraner> jcastro  - just added Contributing to Ubuntu at a Local level: A Roadmap - Randall Ross (rrnwexec)  woot woot :-)
[17:18] <sense> akgraner: I wouldn't mind leading a session, but I wouldn't know what to talk about. ;)
[17:18] <akgraner> sense, I forgot to email you  - during user days someone asked about that jobs board, ubuntu classified thing you were doing
[17:19] <akgraner> idea thing you had - are you still working on that
[17:19] <sense> akgraner: Ah, Ubuntu Wanted! I am not working on that anymore. It sort of died out.
[17:19] <akgraner> I have the guy's email who wanted to do something like that
[17:19] <akgraner> I thought maybe you all should talk since I knew you had tried it
[17:19] <akgraner> can I do an email introduction to you?
[17:20] <akgraner> You can fill him in on what you tried etc
[17:20] <sense> akgraner: That'd be fine. I'm happy to share what I can.
[17:20] <akgraner> maybe some new even more awesome idea(s) will come from the conversation or something
[17:21] <akgraner> Just wanted you to know I thought about you and your idea when he mentioned it...
[17:22] <sense> ok, thanks for telling!
[17:25] <nigelb> akgraner: I thought of reviving it with the job board I showed at my lightning talk.
[17:25] <nigelb> Sadly, I didn't have enough time.
[17:27] <akgraner> ahhh - yeah time is a hot ticket item for everyone these days :-)
[18:08] <akgraner> jcastro, only 7 sessions left to fill :-)
[18:08] <akgraner> ok 6 really
[18:09] <akgraner> once I find out what time to put Rick's session and the Ubuntu Friendly Session that will only leave 6 slots left...
[18:10] <akgraner> and if hggdh will do the bug filing session that will only leave 5...so woot woot!
[20:29] <czajkowski> been running oneiric for weeks now
[20:29] <czajkowski> but todays errors are annoying
[21:14] <akgraner> jcastro, Brainstorm session added for Open week - 4 slots now
[21:59] <pleia2> kim0 on holiday, boo :(
[21:59] <pleia2> I need to pick someone's brain about cloud offerings, I am clearly not getting this on my own
[22:06] <nigelb> pleia2: Daviey!
[22:07] <pleia2> hah, was hoping for someone around nowish :)
[22:07] <nigelb> pleia2: *maybe* I could help :)
[22:08] <pleia2> nigelb: ok, here goes...
[22:10] <pleia2> so ubuntu has two offerings, a private cloud infrastructure that uses openstack and called "Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure" (formally "Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud")
[22:10] <pleia2> and ec2 images for Amazon
[22:10] <pleia2> which I think are "Ubuntu Cloud Guest" and they can actually run on Amazon or a private cloud
[22:11] <pleia2> so the infrastructure is the thing you need if you're not using amazon
[22:13] <nigelb> pleia2: wait, so what's the question? :)
[22:15] <pleia2> nigelb: haha, the question is "what do I have wrong about all this"
[22:15] <nigelb> aha
[22:15] <pleia2> Now juju is a thing you run (from where?) to use charms which allow you to deploy simple ubuntu images that do specific tasks (mysql server, wordpress server) across your private cloud or amazon instances
[22:16] <pleia2> I am clueless about Orchestra, everything I find about it is buzzwordy and I don't understand how it fits in with all this
[22:16] <nigelb> pleia2: Ok, you were right so far (fairly sure)
[22:16] <nigelb> and Orchestra is part of juju
[22:16] <nigelb> Its one of the components
[22:16] <nigelb> pleia2: aaah
[22:16] <nigelb> the best person to talk to might be kirkland
[22:17] <nigelb> he should be arround as wwell
[22:17]  * pleia2 messages
[22:17] <nigelb> pleia2: https://launchpad.net/orchestra
[22:17] <pleia2> nigelb: saw that, buzzwordy and useless
[22:18]  * nigelb looks for README
[22:18] <pleia2> it would be neat if the interesting links on this page weren't broken http://www.ubuntu.com/business/cloud/technical-resources
[22:18] <pleia2> or outdated (lots of references to eucalyptus still)
[22:19] <nigelb> This virtual package installs the dependencies necessary to provision, manage, and monitor an Ubuntu-based data center.
[22:19] <nigelb> orchestra
[22:19] <nigelb> pleia2: so, like the puppet stuff, juju will haev a master server I think which controls the other machines.
[22:19] <pleia2> yeah, I think my confusion comes in because I don't know the difference between that and juju
[22:19] <nigelb> argh
[22:19] <nigelb> right
[22:19] <nigelb> neither do I.
[22:19] <nigelb> jcastro: PING.
[22:21] <pleia2> and would juju and orchestra both work on ec2 or private cloud? where do they run from, some master control server?
[22:21] <nigelb> pleia2: asking someone on server team :)
[22:22] <pleia2> kirkland suggested I just ask in #ubuntu-cloud ;)
[22:22] <nigelb> aha
[22:23] <pleia2> nigelb: mind if I paste this conversation in pastebin to share?
[22:23] <nigelb> pleia2: np :)
[22:25] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oneiric/EnsembleOrchestra
[22:26] <AlanBell> Orchestra helps users deploy Ubuntu
[22:26] <AlanBell> Ensemble helps users deploy applications on Ubuntu
[22:26] <AlanBell> s/ensemble/juju/
[22:26] <pleia2> AlanBell: thanks, that helps :)
[22:27] <pleia2> hmm
[22:27] <pleia2> so a charm doesn't deploy a server with ubuntu, it deploys a configuration and makes orchestra set up the ubuntu install itself?
[22:28] <nigelb> pleia2: just /join #ubuntu-server and talk to lynxman? :)
[22:28] <pleia2> nigelb: bah, why isn't he in -cloud? :)
[22:28] <nigelb> heh


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[18:20]  * kc2bez smacks self
[18:20] <kc2bez> gah! I forgot a "#" in my changelog.
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[18:27] <tsimonq2> I don't exactly recall what that regex is. It still might work.
[18:29] <kc2bez> I can always manually change the bug I guess.
[18:31] <tsimonq2> True.
[18:32] <tsimonq2> There really should be a way to assign that.
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[23:24] <kc2bez> wxl: would you change the side menu in phab so that 20.10 is no longer the testing and 21.04 is?
[23:25] <wxl> oh derp yes
[23:25] <kc2bez> I don't have access to change it.
[23:25] <kc2bez> Thanks
[23:27] <wxl> i guess i could have left 20.10 up there for an SRU but nah
[23:27] <kc2bez> Probably not at this point unless something weird happens
[23:30] <wxl> seems like compton-conf is now dead. https://github.com/lxqt/compton-conf#warning we should probably get rid of it
[23:31] <kc2bez> It did get updated in November
[23:32] <kc2bez> Which is really just changelog stuff but
[23:37] <kc2bez> Maybe we should keep it until we stop shipping it?


[01:21] <xnox> jbicha, i even have commit access to debian's git and we do co-ordinate on common things.
[01:25] <xnox> mbiebl, there are multiple issues with fallback handling if resolved is used by default (true for Ubuntu, not true for Debian). What I guess jbicha doesn't realise is that we are doing extensive code review and DNS resolution and networking configuration improvements. Hence e.g. already two CVEs identified and disclosed by Canonical security team in resolved. (One had other reporters as well) and the privacy settings we are adjusting. Indeed, changing
[01:25] <xnox> fallback defaults is a privacy issue for Ubuntu, but not for Debian.
[01:29] <sarnold> I fear aiming a fuzzer at systemd-resolved
[01:30] <sarnold> I tried once but never figured out how to build another object file in the codebase
[01:30] <sarnold> chrisccoulson's approach of just aiming it at a malicious server is good fun
[01:32] <xnox> indeed.
[01:35] <sarnold> .. but I'd really love to see someone aim a fuzzer directly at the functions.
[01:58] <sarnold> juliank: "uint8_t hostname[namelength + 2];"  -- I thought C++ committee decided against VLAs?
[02:01] <sarnold> juliank: '%02X%02X' -- that backslash feels way out of place. what does it do?
[07:01] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Does the new screen in experimental fix the delta in Ubuntu?
[07:04] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, let me check
[07:04] <LocutusOfBorg> probably yes
[07:28] <juliank> sarnold: The C++ committee decided against it AFAIK, yes; but this is GNU C++ :) But should probably be allocated on the heap and have some length check or something. Not sure what you mean with a second part, where is a backslash in '%02X%02X'  (and which part of the code is that). That's both SOCKS support BTW which is in for quite some time already.
[08:09] <abeato> sil2100, hi, was wondering if ubuntu-image can build classic imagess?
[08:09] <sil2100> abeato: hey! Not yet, but it will
[08:10] <sil2100> abeato: it's on our roadmap
[08:11] <abeato> sil2100, ah, very nice... any rough idea on when that will happen?
[08:11] <sil2100> abeato: we're on the spec phase now, I'll know more once I have the plan finished
[08:13] <abeato> sil2100, great... meanwhile, which is the suggested way to create some sort of raw, customized, classic images? I'm playing with debootstrap + parted + kpartx at the moment
[08:13] <abeato> (which works, but maybe there is something more standardized)
[08:18] <juliank> abeato: Maybe you could use poettering's mkosi? (it's only in zesty and artful, though) There are probably a ton of other tools too
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, seems syncable, doing it now
[08:20] <abeato> juliank, did not know about that tool, interesting suggestion, thanks
[08:37] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Thanks.
[09:25] <juliank> Hmm, launchpad did not import apt from experimental yet, I'd have hoped 12 hours is enough for that
[09:36] <cjwatson> juliank: Importer setup bug - we'll be rolling out the fix today
[09:38] <juliank> cjwatson: ah, ok.
[09:50] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, hello, new binutils broke ghc build on arm64 :(
[09:50] <LocutusOfBorg>  /usr/bin/ld.gold: internal error in fix_errata, at ../../gold/aarch64.cc:1971
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> hello ScottK can you please check the new pyyaml logs? https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+packages
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> I did import a new patch from jrtc27 and this one seems way better
[11:26] <cjwatson> juliank: next importer run should work
[11:27] <juliank> cjwatson: thx
[12:20] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: does the BFD linker work?
[12:34] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I don't know how to test :/ let me try
[13:48] <seb128> slangasek, hey, do you know who could be pinged about nplan autopkgtests blocking the  n-m update in artful while cyphermox_ is on vac?
[13:48] <seb128> jbicha, ^
[14:25] <slangasek> seb128: well, first it's not a new blocker, and second last I knew the root of these failures was believed to be in NM, so... :) I will mark it badtest for p-m.
[14:27] <slangasek> seb128: ah, but that was ppc64el-specific; why is NM triggering autopkgtest failures on other archs?  I'm not badtesting those without someone investigating to show it's not genuinely an NM regression
[14:27] <seb128> slangasek, define "new"? it's new since the n-m update
[14:27] <seb128> some problem with mtu handling
[14:28] <seb128> it could be a n-m issue/regression, it's just that cyphermox_ understood the issue at least a bit when I talked with him
[14:29] <slangasek> seb128: ok, well I don't believe he handed off that context to anyone.  Did he say it was definitely a test bug?
[14:31] <seb128> slangasek, it was discussed on https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/06/22/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t13:49
[14:31] <seb128> he wrote "and indeed the mtu issue seems like a genuine regression"
[14:31] <slangasek> seb128: that implies a regression in NM, surely?
[14:32] <seb128> slangasek, or netplan doing something not documented/supported which happened to work but stopped doing so
[14:32] <slangasek> "seb128: MTU is special in that so far we've been relying on systemd to apply the change (via udev) rather than NM, so it might not write anything in this case"
[14:32] <slangasek> seb128: I'll look into it later this morning
[14:32] <seb128> thanks
[14:45] <chiluk_> tjaalton: ... hey man... so i've been hitting a few bugs related to slowdown in chromium and chrome on skylake *(slow page scrolling, flashing, etc... there are quite a few bugs out there on this)... At the moment I've moved to using the xserver-xorg-video-intel-hwe-16.04 driver.  Is there anything else I can do to help you out on this?  I'm no X stack expert, but I can be pretty persistent.
[15:47] <betanu701> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction on getting a tarball of ubunutu. I am trying to install a 64bit version in wsl but the only ones I can find are x86
[15:48] <betanu701> ubuntu* too many us!
[15:51] <nacc> betanu701: what is wsl?
[15:51] <nacc> betanu701: a 'tarball' of ubuntu doesn't make sense to me. ubuntu is a distribution
[15:51] <betanu701> windows subsystem linux
[15:51] <nacc> !ubuwin | betanu701
[15:52] <nacc> betanu701: that thing?
[15:52] <nacc> betanu701: or something else?
[15:52] <betanu701> yes that thing. I will check out that channel. Thanks!
[16:13] <nacc> bdmurray: re: LP: #1574670, it's not fix released, do you agree?
[16:16] <bdmurray> nacc: sure
[16:16] <nacc> bdmurray: thanks, updated the bug states
[16:25] <sarnold> juliank: interesting. I copy-and-pasted that \ right from the link https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/commit/?id=2851ec6cf037d552118b885be0dd7796d74730c6 here... but I don't see it now when I reload. Crazy.
[16:26] <jbicha> bdmurray: did you see that u-release-upgrader's artful autopkgtests are failing? new pep8 error 'E722 do not use bare except'
[16:26] <jbicha> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-release-upgrader/artful/amd64
[16:27] <bdmurray> jbicha: No, shouldn't I get emails about that?
[16:28] <jbicha> I don't believe autopkgtest sends automated emails at all
[16:30] <nacc> you'll get an e-mail eventually taht it's stuck in -proposed for X days
[16:30] <jbicha> this is how it was fixed in another pkg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/324926055/update-notifier_3.179_3.180.diff.gz
[16:31] <jbicha> webkit2gtk is stuck in proposed but no one in Ubuntu uploaded that
[20:13] <tjaalton> chiluk: try ppa:canonical-x/x-staging
[20:52] <chiluk> tjaalton: then what? would the plan then be to find fixes to cherry-pick?
[20:52] <chiluk> we have entire generations of Intel chips that are causing browser badness.
[20:52] <tjaalton> chiluk: this will hit xenial in 16.04.3
[20:52] <tjaalton> so you'd get upgraded to it anyway
[20:53] <chiluk> unless you aren't on the hwe stream.
[20:53] <chiluk> right?
[20:53] <tjaalton> right, those users are on -intel anywa
[20:53] <tjaalton> y
[20:54] <chiluk> how can you be so sure?  I'm sure there's lots of users out there who haven't figured out that they need to be on the -intel driver.
[20:54] <chiluk> are the fixes for all this slowdown known?
[20:54] <chiluk> basically can we backport the fixes into xenial-updates.
[20:54] <chiluk> rather backport the specific patches into xenial-updates.
[20:55] <tjaalton> I'm assuming you mean folks on -hwe-16.04 that are using the default driver, which is the modeset driver
[20:55] <tjaalton> stock xenial uses -intel, if it's installed
[20:56] <chiluk> actually I haven't checked is it possible to be on skylake or kaby-lake and not on the hwe stream?
[20:56] <tjaalton> yes it is
[20:56] <chiluk> and have a fully functional desktop?
[20:56] <tjaalton> because we enabled kbl on 16.04.1
[20:56] <tjaalton> I bet you
[20:56] <chiluk> yeah I bet you are correct.
[20:58] <chiluk> alright well I'lls tart with the x-staging + the default modeset, and see where that gets me.
[20:58] <chiluk> thanks tjaalton
[20:58] <tjaalton> the new xserver should fix at least some performance issues
[20:59] <tjaalton> which reminds me to update my skylake desktop on it..
[21:31] <mwhudson> Laney: you going to upload that session migration fix?


[00:00] <Cimi> simply playing with the color
[00:00] <bratsche> The thing I was wanting to look into symbolic colors for was for setting status-relevant colors to widgets like GtkEntry (so it could convey information like "warning" or whatever)
[00:01] <Cimi> bratsche: for gtkinfobar as well?
[00:02] <bratsche> Yeah, using the same colors that GtkInfoBar uses now.
[00:02] <bratsche> But I need to think about it some more still, because there are other widgets that could possibly take advantage of it.
[00:02] <bratsche> I wrote a very rough first patch to do it for GtkEntry.
[00:03] <bratsche> GtkLabel could possibly use it as well.
[00:03] <bratsche> I hadn't really thought of it before, but possibly individual rows in a treeview could do something like this.
[00:26] <Cimi> bratsche: how's the newtwitter
[00:26] <Cimi> ?
[00:26] <bratsche> It's pretty nice.
[00:26] <bratsche> They're doing this whole dynamic UI stuff, kind of like Facebook does.
[00:30] <bratsche> All the routing happens on the client side using the document location hash, instead of doing it in URLs and stuff.
[00:31] <bratsche> One of my friends fucking *hates* it when websites do that.  I'm not really sure why.
[00:33] <Cimi> me neither :)
[00:34] <bratsche> Actually, Google is doing that now with Google Instant.
[00:35] <bratsche> Okay, I think I found the solutions to both of these appmenu-gtk bugs.  One of them is working, the other I need to write the patch later tonight.
[00:35] <bratsche> But now I'm hungry. :)
[00:35] <bratsche> Cimi: ttyl dude!  Good luck on your interview!
[00:38] <Cimi> oh thank you again
[11:14] <ronoc> Cimi, ping
[11:14] <Cimi> hi ronoc
[11:15] <ronoc> hey I just noticed the box around the indicator on ambience
[11:15] <ronoc> something changed theme wise in the past 6 days
[11:16] <Cimi> box?
[11:18] <ronoc> yes the background around the control
[11:18] <ronoc> Cimi, ^
[11:19] <ronoc> just one sec, on a call
[11:21] <Cimi> yep, it changed
[11:21] <ronoc> why then is there such a distinct box around the control ?
[11:21] <ronoc> its like the colour in the style fetched by the cairo code is wrong
[11:22] <Cimi> because the menu has a gradient
[11:22] <Cimi> while the box doesn't
[11:22] <ronoc> but now its even more distinct
[11:22] <Cimi> yep
[11:22] <Cimi> because i've changed the way it is rendered
[11:22] <Cimi> boh speed issues
[11:23] <Cimi> *for
[11:33] <ronoc> Cimi, okay shame because before what looked like a UI slight discrepancy now looks like an outright bug
[11:33] <ronoc> which I supposed it is
[11:33] <ronoc> -ed
[11:36] <Cimi> it is a bug in fact :(
[11:36] <Cimi> damn drawing areD
[11:37] <ronoc> a pretty ugly one, considering it our default theme
[11:37] <Cimi> I can't do anything
[11:38] <Cimi> if you set a custom widget name
[11:38] <ronoc> fair enough, yup
[11:38] <Cimi> maybe we could change bg[NORMAL] to reduce the "difference"
[11:38] <ronoc> okay will branch now and do that, one sec
[11:39] <Cimi> then add something like
[11:39] <Cimi> widget_class "*widgetblablabla*" style "ido-blabla"
[11:39] <Cimi> and before
[11:40] <Cimi> style "ido-blabla" { bg[NORMAL] = "#coloryouchose" }
[11:40] <Cimi> in the gtkrc
[11:44] <ronoc> Cimi, do you have time to look at this today
[11:44] <ronoc> Cimi, I need to look at some other stuff
[11:45] <Cimi> maybe I can
[11:45] <ronoc> Cimi, who is controlling your time at the moment ?
[11:46] <ronoc> Cimi, are you still working with us ?
[11:46] <Cimi> ronoc: when I start working, I use hamster applet to track my time
[11:46] <Cimi> chat it not counted (I am not working now i.e.)
[12:21] <hicham> is ayatana ubuntu specific ?
[12:22] <OwaisL> hicham: Yes, but it's open so anyone can borrow ideas and improve the.
[12:22] <OwaisL> them*
[15:31] <Cimi> davidbarth: do you know where ronoc is?
[15:48] <davidbarth> Cimi: he's there
[15:48] <Cimi> no
[15:48] <Cimi> :)
[15:49]  * bratsche summons him
[15:51] <Cimi> hi man
[15:51] <Cimi> _P
[15:51] <ronoc> Cimi, hey
[15:51] <Cimi> :P
[15:51] <ronoc> Cimi, I might have a fix for this
[15:51] <ronoc> one sec
[15:51] <Cimi> I was having a look at your branch
[15:51] <ronoc> yep
[15:51] <ronoc> which branch ?
[15:52] <ronoc> the new one ?
[15:52] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjcurran/indicator-sound/background-gradient-bug
[15:54] <ronoc> yep
[15:57] <ronoc> Cimi, yep and its doesn't work I think, the button looses its position when using the event box :(
[16:00] <Cimi> bratsche: help ronoc :P
[16:00] <bratsche> I can't right now.
[17:07] <Cimi> seb128: are you there dude?
[17:07] <seb128> Cimi, hey
[17:30] <Cimi> bratsche: summon ronoc pls
[17:37] <Cimi> ronoc: sorry :)
[17:37] <Cimi> ronoc: so, your gtkeventbox doesn't work or it does?
[17:37] <ronoc> no it doesn't
[17:37] <ronoc> well
[17:37] <Cimi> in case it doesn't, we should play with the custom widget name
[17:37] <ronoc> the problem is that the transport positioning gets screwed up
[17:38] <ronoc> it ends up at the top of the menu
[17:38] <ronoc> not at the bottom and only gets drawn sometimes as it fights with the slider widget for last one drawn
[17:39] <Cimi> mmm
[17:40] <Cimi> the transport positioning or just the drawing?
[17:40] <Cimi> maybe you need to use different x,y starting points
[17:40] <Cimi> using widget->allocation.x and widget->allocation.y
[17:40] <ronoc> Cimi, sure just playing with it now
[17:59] <Cimi> ronoc: is there a way to test the applet without installing it and killing the panel?
[18:01] <ronoc> Cimi, what applet the indicator-applet
[18:01] <Cimi> mmm
[18:01] <ronoc> Cimi, have you used libindicator-tools ?
[18:02] <Cimi> applet/indicator sound
[18:02] <ronoc> yeah install libindicator=tools
[18:02] <Cimi> ok
[18:02] <Cimi> done
[18:02] <ronoc> then compile the branch or what ever
[18:03] <ronoc> if its indicator only changes (UI changes)
[18:03] <ronoc> then run up the indicator-loader with
[18:04] <ronoc> /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader /libsoundmenu.so
[18:04] <ronoc> Cimi, the path is wrong there to the .so.
[18:04] <Cimi> ok
[18:04] <ronoc> so from the root of the branch just make sure your path is right
[18:04] <Cimi> thank you
[18:04] <ronoc> src/.libs/libsoundmenu.so
[18:04] <Cimi> yeah :D
[18:05] <Cimi> I know don't worry man
[18:09] <Cimi> ronoc: I don't remember the file I should edit
[18:09] <Cimi> :)
[18:10] <ronoc> play-button.c
[18:10] <ronoc> Cimi, are you working on my branch ?
[18:10] <Cimi> yep
[18:10] <ronoc> I can push now if you want
[18:10] <ronoc> so we are up to date one
[18:10] <ronoc> sec
[18:10] <Cimi> ops ok
[18:12] <ronoc> Cimi, what do you plan to do  ?
[18:12] <ronoc> I got the help of njpatel earlier and it is almost there
[18:13] <ronoc> got distracted with a conversation in dx
[18:13] <ronoc> so just coming back to it now
[18:13] <ronoc> basically the positioning is screwed so we need to set the allocation on the eventbox
[18:13] <Cimi> yeah
[18:13] <Cimi> I tould tou that before if you remmeber :)
[18:14] <ronoc> ok
[18:15] <ronoc> Cimi, thats pushed now
[18:20] <ronoc> Cimi, okay done with distractions, are you working on this or will I have a go
[18:20] <ronoc> don't mind
[18:20] <Cimi> #define Y 7.0f
[18:20] <Cimi> #define X37.0f
[18:20] <Cimi> these are broken
[18:20] <Cimi> ronoc: ^^
[18:20] <ronoc> Cimi, okay but don't you want it to be relative to top of the parent gtkmenuitem
[18:20] <ronoc> there maybe more than one player
[18:20] <Cimi> yeah
[18:21] <Cimi> it's easy I guess
[18:21] <Cimi> just define x as widget->allocation.x + X
[18:21] <Cimi> or whatever
[18:21] <Cimi> something like that, I hope you understood
[18:21] <ronoc> okay will try that now
[18:22] <ronoc> thx
[18:22] <Cimi> button->allocation.x iirc
[18:27] <Cimi> maybe it's not enogh or I did something wrong
[18:58] <ronoc> Cimi, offset the positioning in the draw method but still no joy, gotta go now, if you fancy taking a look please be my guest, I have pushed my adjustments
[18:59] <ronoc> bye
[19:06] <ken> meebey: playing with smuxi again :)
[20:18] <joajimenez> Hellos
[20:26] <joajimenez> MeMenu....Why it have to depend on gwibber-service?
[20:28] <sense> joajimenez: Because it is integrated with it, from the MeMenu side. Gwibber doesn't hook into the Me Menu, but the Me Menu into Gwibber.
[20:34] <joajimenez> sense: I know, but if I unistall Gwibber, gwibber-service stay there consuming memory. I dont think that much users keep Gwibber once they discover: Pino, Hotot, Facebook.com, etc... :)
[20:34] <sense> That a bit of your memory is used isn't very bad, it's not too scarce.
[20:35] <sense> When you don't use Gwibber it shouldn't be too much anyway, since there is nothing to do for the daemon.
[20:35] <sense> joajimenez: But if I'm correct the daemon shouldn't even launch on boot if you didn't enavle it.
[20:37] <joajimenez> sense: I got Gwibber unistalled, but I got three (3) gwibber-service instances running when I check system-monitor
[20:38] <kklimonda> it's most likely a bug, I don't have a single instance running
[20:39] <sense> joajimenez: You should check the settings of Gwibber.
[20:39] <joajimenez> GS1: 5.4MiB, GS2: 5.4MiB, GS3: 5.0MiB
[20:42] <joajimenez> Check this: http://ubuntuone.com/p/Huy/
[20:44] <sense> joajimenez: Have you used Gwibber previously?
[20:44] <joajimenez> Yep.
[20:45] <joajimenez> But I unistalled it, 'cause I don't like it. I prefer Pino or Hotot.
[20:45] <sense> joajimenez: It could be that you left some settings behind, which start the daemon by default.
[20:46] <sense> joajimenez: Check System->Settings->Start-up Applications and disable the service there.
[20:48] <joajimenez> I dont have ANYTHING named gwibber or gwibber related on my Start-up Apps
[20:48] <joajimenez> Thats very weird
[20:49] <sense> joajimenez: indeed
[20:57] <joajimenez> Let me report it as a bug.


[03:29] <dudz1> HI!, I'm trying to install Lubuntu 16.10 using full disk encryption, however my attempts at doing this through the installer have failed because of swap space detection which is picking up the swap created by the installer its self, not anything on my physical media devices.
[03:30] <lynorian> dudz1, are you using a desktop image?
[03:30] <dudz1> I have tried running in the live mode but this presents another problem, this time with LVM, lvm2 is not installed, so i apt install lvm2 but this doesn't help.
[03:30] <dudz1> i am yes.
[03:31] <lynorian> dudz1, have you tried unmounting the zram swap devices
[03:31] <dudz1> swapoff -a ?
[03:31] <dudz1> never heard of zram until you typed it just now
[03:31] <lynorian> dudz, it is a kernel module to help the live system work on lower end systems
[03:32] <dudz1> excellent
[03:32] <dudz1> no i have not touched that one, but when i use the installer i have no shell anyway
[03:33] <lynorian> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram
[03:33] <dudz1> yep i'm at that link now.
[03:33] <dudz1> but my problem i'm seeking advice with is howto unmount during the installer, not through the live cd instance.
[03:34] <dudz1> can we include this fix in the next revision of lubuntu
[03:34] <lynorian> ok this may sound strange but go with me open firefox from right clicking not on the installer
[03:35] <lynorian> then type file:///home and right click save link as on a file in there
[03:35] <dudz1> this is something to try from the installer or from the livecd?
[03:36] <lynorian> from the installer
[03:36] <lynorian> or you could install from live instance
[03:36] <dudz1> ok so i'm not in the installer right now as i have not got a 2nd computer to use at the moment
[03:36] <lynorian> from live cd just open a terminal
[03:37] <lynorian> and unmount the swap device after installing from there
[03:37] <dudz1> i can't install, before that step the installer exits with an error about swap
[03:38] <lynorian> or unmount swap then hit the install lubuntu part
[03:39] <dudz1> there are also very limited file system options available with the installer, i'm trying to match the requirements but so far for anyone who is installing lubuntu for the first time, and trying out encryption, they don't have this option.
[03:40] <dudz1> because the installer comes with a swap space, and the encryption has a built in check to detect unencrypted swap space and exit when exists
[03:40] <dudz1> the option is there as a checkbox tick box, but any user trying to use the tickbox aproach to installing will be unable to choose this option.
[03:41] <lynorian> dudz or you can try the alternate installer
[03:41] <dudz1> so as far as usabilty is concerned, that option is not there it is only visable on the screen for some reason other than to be used.
[03:41] <dudz1> yes i have not tried the alternative installer yet
[03:41] <lynorian> think full disk works there
[03:42] <dudz1> wonderful, thanks i'll try that one.
[03:42] <lynorian> or it comes with an unmount message
[03:43] <dudz1> downloading the alternative iso version now.
[03:46] <dudz1> i am trying to migrate from ubuntu 16.04 -> lubuntu 16.10 because i have been strugling to justify all the open background processess that come with ubuntu
[03:47] <dudz1> i can handle the extra use, my computer is a Intel NUC5i7RYH but i don't like my cpu fan spinning up each time an update comes out.
[03:48] <dudz1> this is not ubuntu's fault, i think this is more intels fault with putting a small fan on an i7 chip
[03:49] <dudz1> just got 40minutes to kill while i wait for the iso to download, the typical idea here is for me to go get a coffee right?
[03:49] <dudz1> but then once i get one, i need to t ype large volumes of text somewhere, hope its alright that i do that here.
[03:55] <dudz1> ok so i've got a coffee now lynorian
[03:57] <dudz1> so actually, say i wanted to skip the installer, can i install with a method like debootstrap ?
[03:59] <dudz1> the default /boot partition size is 500mb right?
[04:00] <dudz1> I had a small boot partition with my last ubuntu install, that was another contributing factor to make the move, but this is standard it seams
[04:02] <dudz1> I have 16GB ram though and this is a desktop machine that i don't use for gaming or databases, so i shouldn't really need swap at all imo
[04:03] <dudz1> having swap would create un-neccessary ssd i/o
[04:08] <lynorian> dudz1, I don't know about debootstrap so can't help you with that
[04:08] <lynorian> dudz yeah you will not swap much with 16 GB of ram
[04:08] <lynorian> unless you run like lubuntu in itself 4 or 5 times or an obscene number of browser tabs
[04:09] <dudz1> yep i might in the future like to run virtual machines,
[04:09] <dudz1> for now i have no need for it
[04:10] <lynorian> I honestly don't like seperate /boot as it can get full and leave maybe seperate / and maybe /home
[04:10] <dudz1> thats the issue i was having with ubuntu, i had a 500mb /boot and it got full after a few months of kernel updates
[04:10] <Jbmorris289> Hello.
[04:10] <dudz1> i think its needed to have a seperate /boot when your using full disk encryption.
[04:11] <Jbmorris289> I have a slight problem with power management... The screen isn't able to stay blank
[04:13] <dudz1> your monitor will turn its self off after a period of time it considers inactive ?
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> "xset dpms force off" Turns off the screen, but it turns right back on for some reason.
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> I'm not sure why this happens, but when it tuns on, the notification for the brightness level shows right after. I already have this problem posted on the launchpad.
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> dudz1: not sure
[04:14] <Jbmorris289> I think so?
[04:14] <dudz1> what are you trying to do Jbmorris289 ?,
[04:16] <Jbmorris289> dudz1: Well, recently I've noticed something. When my screen is turned off by the power manager (power saving settings), it turns on. I'm trying to find out what's causing this
[04:16] <Jbmorris289> tuns back on*
[04:17] <Jbmorris289> ... ^ Not correcting
[04:25] <dudz1> 2minutes for me then i try alternative isp
[04:25] <dudz1> *iso
[04:36] <dudz1> hi BWMerlin nice hostname
[04:36] <dudz1> <-- Australian
[04:36] <dudz1> English Australian, not indian Australian.
[04:37] <dudz1> we friends now BWMerlin ?
[04:38] <dudz1> ok i'll brb, going to try this alternative iso
[05:35] <Jbmorris289> Hm... Well I also have WinXP on this netbook(still), and it has a program which allows me to manually turn off the screen, and it works no problem, so it definitely isn't my Screen
[05:36] <dudz1> right!, Hello
[05:36] <dudz1> I would like to report my success using the Alternative ISO method of installing lubuntu 16.10 with full disk encryption.
[05:36] <dudz1> the filesystem manager provided with the alternative install contains much more options than the graphical installer
[05:37] <dudz1> also the ability to spawn a shell during the installer, rather than opening a terminal emulator from the live cd is much nicer.
[05:38] <dudz1> Thank you for all your help during my installation <person who i've forgotten your nickname>
[05:39] <dudz1> everything in the world is great, it's a nice place to live again, thanks lubuntu team!
[05:40] <dudz1> Next problem!: Somone else experiencing connection problems for the au.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[05:40] <dudz1> Err:77 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety-backports/main amd64 Packages   403  Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[05:42] <pleia2> has yakkety-backports been enabled yet? it just came out
[05:43] <dudz1> that was the last of several errors i was recieving, though that might explain why yakkety-backports is failing, i have connection problems with main and all the others from my source.list
[06:50] <dudz1> au.archive.ubuntu.com has returned
[09:18] <laumag> I NEED HELP
[09:19] <laumag> i have some problems installing lubuntu...
[15:13] <xsmltx> Hi, I use this command 'echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness' to set the lowest brightness, tell me please is there any way to force even more to go lower with the brightness please? Thank you.
[16:04] <xsmltx> http://askubuntu.com/questions/839931/gnome-terminal-doesnt-start-any-more-after-auto-login-to-x or http://askubuntu.com/questions/838781/right-click-for-synaptics-and-for-the-touch-screen-doesnt-work
[18:54] <Ahmuck> was the printer subsystem / dameon changed n 16.10 ?
[19:11] <xsmltx> Hi, anyone can help me with these two topics please? http://askubuntu.com/questions/839931/gnome-terminal-doesnt-start-any-more-after-auto-login-to-x or http://askubuntu.com/questions/838781/right-click-for-synaptics-and-for-the-touch-screen-doesnt-work Thank you.
[19:19] <Ahmuck> the printer is working via cups, hplip and hplip-gui.  however the printer configuration icon and systray in 16.04 seems to have disappeared in 16.10.
[19:20] <Ahmuck> i happened to be here today at my parent's home after the upgrade
[22:10] <Jbmorris289> I'm back
[22:10] <Jbmorris289> Still with that screen problem
[22:10] <Jbmorris289> Any solutions to attempt?


[15:57] <hallyn> .
[15:57] <hallyn> ls
[15:57] <lynxman> o/
[15:57] <smb> hallyn, . ..
[15:58] <lynxman> smb: isn't the filesystem a bit too high for kernel guys? ;)
[15:58] <smb> lynxman, We talk about anything we do or do not understand :)
[15:59] <zul> hi ho
[15:59] <hallyn> \o
[15:59] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[15:59] <lynxman> smb: lol
[15:59] <Daviey> o/
[16:00] <smb> \o
[16:00] <lynxman> \o/
[16:01] <Daviey> Ursinha: it's on you :)
[16:01] <Ursinha> meme
[16:01] <Ursinha> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <Ursinha> hello people, this is the first time I chair this meeting, so be nice to me :)
[16:01] <Ursinha> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <Ursinha> so, according to last week's logs there is none.
[16:02] <Ursinha> moving on
[16:02] <Ursinha> #topic Precise Development
[16:02] <zul> boo!
[16:02] <Ursinha> Daviey: and now....
[16:02] <Daviey> Hello!
[16:02] <Daviey> Alpha 1 is out this week, meaning we are in soft freeze
[16:03] <Daviey> So far we are looking pretty stable, infact, possibly the most stable Alpha1 we've had for some releases
[16:03] <Daviey> I'd like to go through our targetted bugs for this week:
[16:03] <Daviey> bug 883988
[16:03] <Daviey> zul: Is this impacting upgrades still?
[16:03] <zul> dont think so
[16:04] <zul> i havent been able to reproduce it
[16:04] <Daviey> zul: We probably need to test oneiric -> precise upgrades to see the situation.
[16:04] <Daviey> bug 893926
[16:04] <Daviey> Up for grabs, mostly bitesize - removing branding and image-store.. any takers?
[16:05] <Daviey> Grab it if you want it.
[16:05] <Daviey> bug 881903
[16:05] <Daviey> hallyn: awaiting new upstream version, do we have an idea when?
[16:06] <hallyn> nope
[16:06] <Daviey> bug 888124 , jamespage - is this on the soonly roadmap for you, or up for grabs?
[16:06] <hallyn> hm, i think new version was quietly tagged!
[16:06] <hallyn> will check it out this afternoon
[16:07] <Daviey> bug 607039 , Still up for grabs.. probably requires some time to reproduce.
[16:07] <Daviey> hallyn: dandy
[16:07] <hallyn> oh, nope
[16:07] <jamespage> Daviey: on my list
[16:07] <Daviey> jamespage: great
[16:07] <jamespage> but not mega urgent ATM
[16:07] <smb> Actually
[16:07] <Daviey> bug 894713 , most certainly bitesize.. open to offers, highest bidder?
[16:07] <smb> This is sort of user error but a long way
[16:07] <smb> Daviey, Sorry that was for the nfs4 bug
[16:08] <Daviey> smb: oh?
[16:08] <Daviey> alexbligh: does ^^ that one interest you? :)
[16:08] <alexbligh> Yep.
[16:08] <alexbligh> We've fixed that here.
[16:08] <alexbligh> Want a patch?
[16:08] <Daviey> smb: right, sorry for moving a bit quick.. trying to get through them.. i don't mind interupting
[16:08] <smb> Daviey, basically trying to use fstype nfs4 uses mount.nfs4 whch tries to use modprobe nfs4
[16:08] <smb> which does not exist
[16:08] <alexbligh> Daviey, oh, I already sent a patch :-)
[16:08] <smb> but basically using fstype nfs also gives you an nfs4 mount
[16:09] <Daviey> alexbligh: certainly, if you want to provide a debian/changelog entry aswell and a debdiff, we'll get it sponsored quickly :)
[16:09] <smb> and according to upstream users should be encouraged to use nfs as fstype
[16:09] <smb> just not that this is told anywhere
[16:09] <smb> rather the opposite
[16:09] <Daviey> alexbligh: if not, we'll JFDI based on your patch
[16:09] <alexbligh> JFDI would be easier as I'll have to master debdiff etc. first :-)
[16:09] <Daviey> smb: Oh great! I didn't know that :)
[16:10] <smb> Daviey, Just got that answer today
[16:10] <Daviey> smb: could i ask that you throw that as a comment on the bug report, and consider marking it invalid?
[16:10] <Daviey> alexbligh: sounds good, thanks
[16:10] <Daviey> smb: Great!
[16:10] <Daviey> bug 833499 , new one to me
[16:10] <smb> Daviey, Yes
[16:11] <Daviey> smoser: something needs fixing in nova?
[16:11] <smoser> reading up
[16:12] <smoser> generally i think its broken behavior in openstack. but cloud-init un-does their insertion of keys for newer images.
[16:12] <smoser> why did this make your list ?
[16:12] <Daviey> bug 889644 , being worked on in Debian.. Wait out on that
[16:12] <Daviey> bug 887186
[16:12] <Daviey> adam_g / RoAkSoAx: is that somethuing you were looking ay?
[16:12] <Daviey> at?
[16:13] <adam_g> Daviey: thats new to me
[16:13] <Daviey> smoser reported it, guess he is chasing it
[16:13] <smoser> i'm not chasing.
[16:13] <smoser> the bug report should be fairly straight forward.
[16:13] <Daviey> adam_g: okay, we'll dig into that after the meeting
[16:13] <smoser> basically our squid proxy is not working as designed.
[16:14] <Daviey> bug 893134 , zul - fixed in Precise, right?
[16:14] <zul> yeah uploaded yesterday still waiting for archive admin review
[16:14] <Daviey> .. a few cobbler-enlist bugs, blocked on further direction. ..
[16:14] <Daviey> zul: bug 871278 ?
[16:14] <zul> gah..
[16:15] <zul> will get to it this week
[16:15] <Daviey> bug 875262 , I think needs a new assignee.. open to offers.
[16:15] <Daviey> bug 875262 , awaiting clariffication from reporter
[16:16] <Daviey> an no, been more update.. Clint isn't here.. I'm sure he'll look at it today
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 890362 , zul - next upload?
[16:16] <zul> yep
[16:16] <Daviey> utlemming: been able to look at bug 891433 ?
[16:17] <utlemming> Daviey: yup, its done, just need to test it
[16:17] <Daviey> utlemming: rocking
[16:17] <Daviey> bug 894754
[16:17] <Daviey> open to offers
[16:17] <Daviey> hallyn: any news on bug 876768 ?
[16:18] <zul> ill take the openvswitch
[16:18] <Daviey> bug 891977, assigned to me - packages in PPA.. needs some polish and policy (debian/copyright , debian/control) etc.
[16:19] <Daviey> Any other bugs not being tracked, which should be?
[16:20] <Daviey> jdstrand: any news on bug 881464 ?
[16:20] <hallyn> Daviey: fwiw i'd never heard of that bug.
[16:20] <Daviey> hallyn: which one?
[16:21] <hallyn> openvswitch
[16:21] <Daviey> zul: keystone MIR, doko has found more goodies which need love, did you spot that?
[16:21] <smoser> bug 855030 should be added to your list (i just added it)
[16:21] <Ursinha> where do you look for bugs to fix?
[16:21] <Daviey> Ursinha: we can probably move on, and carry this on at the end if required.
[16:21] <hallyn> oh, you were asking about netcf.  no, no news.  AFAIK i'm done with it
[16:21] <zul> Daviey: i saw im not the one doing the MIR
[16:21] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:21] <Daviey> hallyn: great
[16:22] <Ursinha> Daviey: I ask because sometimes people don't know about the bugs you point them
[16:22] <hallyn> Daviey: i think we may have to sneak it into ubuntu without waiting for debian.
[16:22] <Daviey> Ursinha: right
[16:22] <Daviey> (smoser, thanks for adding that one)
[16:22] <Daviey> hallyn: yep, lets discuss it after the meeting
[16:22] <Ursinha> ok, so we can move on
[16:22] <Daviey> Ursinha: shall we move on?
[16:22] <Daviey> +1
[16:23] <Ursinha> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:23] <Ursinha> anything happening in December?
[16:23] <Ursinha> besides Christmas
[16:23] <zul> new years?
[16:23] <Daviey> Thankfully, no :)
[16:23] <Ursinha> :P
[16:23] <Ursinha> moving on then
[16:23] <lynxman> robbiew is attending LISA, doing a BoF session on juju
[16:23] <Ursinha> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:23] <robbiew> indeed I am
[16:24] <Ursinha> oh, right
[16:24] <Ursinha> anyone else?
[16:24] <Ursinha> hggdh is not around, it seems
[16:24] <Daviey> hggdh isn't around, is there anyone else from the QA team who can stand in?
[16:24] <Ursinha> shall we move one?
[16:24] <Ursinha> *on
[16:24] <Daviey> Ursinha: please
[16:24] <Ursinha> right sir
[16:25] <Ursinha> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:25] <smb> I only had nfs4 and there is  bug 886521 from alexbligh
[16:25] <Daviey> smb meet alexbligh, alexbligh meet smb
[16:25] <smb> I think we agree on trying to get those build-in
[16:25] <alexbligh> we think that is Oneiric and Natty
[16:25] <alexbligh> dcrisan has tested
[16:26] <smb> right
[16:26] <Ursinha> anything else?
[16:26] <alexbligh> smb, have put a patch in
[16:26] <smb> So we will go forward and propose SRU for O and N
[16:26] <alexbligh> thnkx
[16:27] <Ursinha> ..?
[16:27]  * smb is done
[16:27] <smb> .,.
[16:27] <smb> ..
[16:27] <Daviey> utlemming / smoser: As bug 881076 now has a work around, is it now a Low priority bug?
[16:27] <smb> But reminds me to see what happened upstream
[16:28] <smoser> if low priority means not going to be fixed, no.
[16:28] <smoser> it needs to be fixed correctly.
[16:28] <smb> smoser, thats not true
[16:28] <Daviey> I meam of lesser importance compared to other priorities :)
[16:29] <smoser> images boot on all types, so thats good.
[16:29] <smoser> but we i dont want that work around.
[16:29] <smb> smoser, The problem is that upstream is not sure what proper means
[16:29] <smoser> smb, yeah, and thats fine.
[16:29] <smoser> but we can't ship 12.04 with that work around.
[16:29] <smoser> so as long as that is understood, i dont care what its priority is.
[16:29] <smb> Yes, I'll need to poke upsrteam again (and about another patch too)
[16:30] <smb> regardless of prio
[16:30] <utlemming> smb, smoser: I think medium is a good prio if we are going to debate it.
[16:30]  * smb agrees
[16:30] <smoser> i think it should be named flowerpuff.
[16:30] <smoser> lets move on.
[16:30] <utlemming> In looking at it, I think that RH had a similar issue too
[16:31] <utlemming> smb: I'll look it up and ping you if its a match
[16:31] <Daviey> smoser: what is the badness attached to that workaround?
[16:31] <smb> utlemming, sounds good and likely they do as the acpi rework causes mwait to be used on some machines
[16:31] <smoser> Daviey, the badness is we have to boot on ec2 with some specific kernel command line.
[16:32] <smoser> which is silly, and also gives hiccups on grub upgrade.
[16:32] <utlemming> the upgrade is where I have heartburn
[16:33] <Daviey> ok
[16:33] <Daviey> anything else for kernel?
[16:33] <Daviey> alexbligh: Have you concerns addressed?
[16:33] <alexbligh> Daviey, yes, save that building in those modules will make an upgrade from lucid to natty-backports tricky
[16:33] <alexbligh> but I don't see anyway around that
[16:34] <Daviey> :(
[16:34] <Daviey> hmm
[16:34] <Daviey> Upgrading from lucid to natty-backports wouldn't happen in one effort.
[16:34] <alexbligh> Precise is PV device only, Lucid is non-PV device only, so it will happen at some point whatever.
[16:34] <Daviey> ahh
[16:34] <Daviey> I see.
[16:35] <smoser> lucid kernel upgrades are going ot be fun all around.
[16:35] <alexbligh> (and the current upgrade to backports gives an unbootable system)
[16:35] <Daviey> okay.. we'll try to think of a way of making it painless as possible
[16:35] <alexbligh> (so it's better than that)
[16:35] <Daviey> but some pain expected, we think.
[16:35] <alexbligh> aha
[16:35] <alexbligh> ty all for your efforts with this Xen4 stuff
[16:35] <Daviey> okay, Thanks smb !
[16:36] <Daviey> smb: Alpha 1 kernel is looking dandy from my PoV :)
[16:36] <Daviey> Ursinha: shall we?
[16:36] <smb> Daviey, cool
[16:36] <Ursinha> yes sir
[16:36] <Ursinha> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)
[16:36] <Ursinha> NCommander: hello
[16:37] <NCommander> Hola
[16:37] <Daviey> NCommander: How is ARM server looking?
[16:37] <NCommander> sorry, internet just blinked for a moment
[16:37] <NCommander> We've got armhf bootstrapped and initial builds are running through now
[16:38] <NCommander> There will a  *ton* of FTBFS's on armhf, so I encourage everyone to take a look at and see what failures you may encounter
[16:38] <NCommander> feel free to ping me, ogra_, or any member of the Ubuntu ARM team in #ubuntu-arm
[16:39] <Ursinha> ..?
[16:39] <ogra_> qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html
[16:39] <Daviey> NCommander: How are all the spec's and blueprints looking?
[16:39] <ogra_> Daviey, i think 99% of them wait for hardware
[16:39] <ogra_> which we dont have
[16:39] <Daviey> wow ogra_, that url is bad news :)
[16:39] <ogra_> bad news ?
[16:39] <ogra_> why ?
[16:40] <NCommander> what ogra said
[16:40] <ogra_> we only started building today
[16:40] <Daviey> ogra_: yeah, thought as much :(
[16:40] <Daviey> ogra_: lots of FTBFS's
[16:40] <rsalveti> Daviey: still in the bootstrap phase
[16:40] <ogra_> five or so yet
[16:40] <Daviey> golly. :)
[16:40] <ogra_> Daviey, yellow isnt failing
[16:40] <Daviey> rsalveti: Ah, so things might improve?
[16:40] <ogra_> red is
[16:40] <rsalveti> Daviey: quite a lot, once the basic set of packages are in place
[16:40] <Daviey> (on there own?)
[16:40] <Daviey> Ahh
[16:41] <ogra_> yellow means "Package is waiting on another package"
[16:41] <Daviey> I see, dep waiting
[16:41] <Daviey> Goody!
[16:41] <ogra_> but yeah, we will have lots of failures
[16:41] <Daviey> right
[16:41] <ogra_> and many package sets that require give-back in the right order etc
[16:41] <rsalveti> maybe good for alpha 2 :-)
[16:41] <Daviey> Anything else for arm server?
[16:41] <Daviey> Anything arm server wants to raise?
[16:42] <ogra_> apart from the fact that we are largely blocked ?
[16:42] <Ursinha> if so, please sign you're done with ..
[16:42] <ogra_> nothing :)
[16:42] <ogra_> ..
[16:42] <NCommander> done
[16:42] <NCommander> :-)
[16:42] <Ursinha> awesome
[16:42] <Ursinha> moving on Daviey?
[16:42] <Daviey> ogra_: thanks
[16:42] <Daviey> Ursinha: your the boss :)
[16:42] <Ursinha> moving on
[16:42] <Ursinha> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:43] <lynxman> We have a new mcollective on precise, this package is a merge from the debian package, incorporating again mcollective-middleware, this will be ported upstream to debian soon
[16:43] <Ursinha> anyone wants to share?
[16:43] <lynxman> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mcollective/1.2.1+dfsg-2ubuntu1
[16:43] <lynxman> Also there's an mcollective SRU for Oneiric that has been reviewed by jamespage, just waiting for upload
[16:43] <lynxman> bug 884908
[16:43] <Daviey> lynxman: nice work!
[16:44] <lynxman> Daviey: thank you kindly sir
[16:44] <Ursinha> ..?
[16:44] <Ursinha> anyone else?
[16:44] <Ursinha> all right :)
[16:44] <Ursinha> #topic Open Discussion
[16:45] <zul> im hungry
[16:45] <rsalveti> 2
[16:45] <Ursinha> me too
[16:45] <Ursinha> we can discuss later
[16:45]  * lynxman prepares a burrito stand
[16:45] <Ursinha> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:45] <Ursinha> so, same time, December 6th
[16:46] <Ursinha> who's volunteering for chair?
[16:46] <Ursinha> Daviey, smoser, jamespage, others?
[16:46] <hallyn> the order is in the meeting page, actually.
[16:46] <smoser> i didn't realize there was a volunteer opportunity.
[16:47] <Ursinha> lol
[16:47] <lynxman> smoser: your time to shine!
[16:47] <smoser> i will volunteer lynxman
[16:47] <hallyn> :)
[16:47] <Ursinha> smoser: cool
[16:47] <Daviey> thanks Ursinha !
[16:47] <Ursinha> #endmeeting
[16:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 16:47:40 2011 UTC.
[16:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-29-16.01.moin.txt
[16:47] <Ursinha> food awaits
[16:47] <Ursinha> somewhere
[16:47] <lynxman> anyone fancies a burrito?
[16:48]  * lynxman trying to start his business
[16:48] <Daviey> no, thanks :)
[16:49]  * RoAkSoAx just got hungry lol
[16:49] <zul> taco taco burito
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00]  * ogasawara waves
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <herton> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 29 17:00:39 2011 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> I don't see ppisati online
[17:01] <bjf> i think he was having internet issues
[17:01] <ogasawara> I think he sent email that he'd be offline for a bit
[17:02] <smb> jsalisbury, cut off
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Ok, anyone else that can cover, if not we can move on
[17:02] <smb> ogasawara, right moving flats
[17:02] <apw> i don't think we have an update from him ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Last Updated: 2011-11-15 00:11:56.171410
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [17:03] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 32 linux kernel bugs (up 12)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (up 1)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 0 precise linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 10 oneiric linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 10 natty linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 3 maverick linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 7 lucid linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 0 hardy linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 8 precise bugs (no change 0)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 635 oneiric bugs (down 5)
[17:03] <jsalisbury>  * 1677 natty bugs (down 3)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 1099 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 979 lucid bugs (down 4)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 43 hardy bugs (down 3)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [17:04] <jsalisbury> [17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 0 precise bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 7 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 19 natty bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 40 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 76 lucid bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 1 precise bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 61 oneiric bugs (up 6)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 434 natty bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 236 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 208 lucid bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 0 precise bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 1 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 4 natty bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 0 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 2 lucid bugs (no change 0)
[17:04] <jsalisbury>  * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:05] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: hrm, the "Last Updated" timestamp looks old.  I'll investigate.
[17:05] <ogasawara> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, thanks
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:06] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-team-precise-alpha-1.html
[17:06] <ogasawara> || apw       || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 3 work items ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> ||           || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> ||           || foundations-p-ipv6                    || 1 work item  ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> || cking     || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || hardware-p-kernel-version-and-flavors || 1 work item  ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> || tgardner  || hardware-p-kernel-version-and-flavors || 1 work item  ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> ||           || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 1 work item  ||
[17:06] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Alpha-1 work items and either get them closed or push them out to the next milestone.  Remember, Alpha-1 is Thurs Dec 1.
[17:06] <ogasawara> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)
[17:06] <cking> Power Management:
[17:06] <cking> * i386 vs i386-pae vs amd64 power measurements; various user space scenarios
[17:06] <cking> * instrument ACPI battery information against different scenarios
[17:06] <cking> * use ACPI battery analysis to improve powerstat, push out V0.00.04
[17:06] <cking> * instrument unity 2D vs 3D in a limited set of tests
[17:06] <cking> * started instrumenting powertop tunables on sandybridge H/W, compare to Win7
[17:06] <cking> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:07] <ogasawara> We have uploaded the 3.2.0-2.5 Ubuntu kernel which was based on the latest upstream v3.2-rc3 kernel.  Please install and test on any kit you have.  Feedback is appreciated.  We are in a soft freeze for Alpha-1, we do not intend any uploads until after the milestone.
[17:07] <ogasawara> Important Upcoming Dates:
[17:07] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Dec 1 - Alpha 1 (2 days)
[17:07] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Feb 2 - Alpha 2 (~ 9 weeks)
[17:07] <ogasawara> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:08] <apw> [17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> || Package                                  || Open      ||
[17:08] <apw> ||                                          ||           ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux Hardy                              ||   11 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux Lucid                              ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux Maverick                           ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux Natty                              ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux Oneiric                            ||    5 (+1) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux Precise                            ||    5 (+1) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||    8 (+2) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    5 (+1) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Precise                   ||    5 (+1) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||    8 (+3) ||
[17:08] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-oneiric Lucid         ||    5 (+1) ||
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> We gained yet another 5 CVEs this week.  We closed out a couple.  Two of
[17:09] <apw> the new CVEs await upstream fixes.
[17:09] <apw>
[17:09] <apw> ..
[17:09] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:09] <bjf> Last week saw the verification and testing of the current -proposed
[17:09] <bjf> updates. Here is the status for the main kernels, until yesterday (28/11):
[17:09] <bjf>  * Hardy - 2.6.24-30.97
[17:09] <bjf>   * prep'd and uploaded
[17:09] <bjf>  * Lucid - 2.6.32-36.79
[17:09] <bjf>   * waiting on the completion of certification
[17:09] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-31.63
[17:09] <bjf>   * prep'd and uploaded
[17:09] <bjf>  * Natty - 2.6.38-13.53
[17:09] <bjf>   * prep'd and uploaded
[17:09] <bjf>  * Oneiric - 3.0.0-14.23
[17:09] <bjf>   * In verification phase, 4 bugs needing verification.
[17:09] <bjf> For more details, current opened tracking bugs can be seen at
[17:10] <bjf> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:10] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:10] <bjf> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:10] <bjf> ..
[17:10] <jsalisbury> Anything to add, herton?
[17:10] <herton> nope, go on
[17:10] <herton> ..
[17:10] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:11] <tgardner> o/
[17:11] <jsalisbury> tgardner, go
[17:11] <tgardner> ogasawara, I think you should upload again to frop non-pae and fix Apple MAC installs.
[17:11] <tgardner> drop*
[17:12] <tgardner> as well as the crda stuff
[17:12] <apw> is the installer ready for us to lose generic ?
[17:12] <tgardner> he's got 2 days
[17:12] <apw> ..
[17:12] <tgardner> perhaps make it conditional on whether he can get it done by then.
[17:13] <ogasawara> I'd be hesitant to yank non-pae so close to the milestone without giving more of a heads up.
[17:13] <tgardner> well then, here is the heads up. lets git 'er done before A2
[17:13] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack
[17:14] <tgardner> ..
[17:14] <bjf> is there a work item for the installer work ?
[17:14] <bjf> ..
[17:14] <ogasawara> bjf: I suspect not yet as dropping the non-pae flavor was still in discussion until yesterday
[17:14] <tgardner> I've got a bug, I'll make sure the installer is listed
[17:15] <jsalisbury> anything else from anyone?
[17:15] <ogasawara> tgardner: how critical is the crda bits for alpha1? I could see an upload for the apple mac installs, or just release noting it for now.
[17:16] <tgardner> ogasawara, not that important. I've converted wireless-crda to a meta package and uploaded
[17:16] <tgardner> apple stuff can be release noted I guess.
[17:16] <ogasawara> ack
[17:16] <ogasawara> ..
[17:17] <jsalisbury> any other open topic discussions?
[17:17] <jsalisbury> Ok, thanks everyone.
[17:17] <bjf> nice job joe
[17:17] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 17:17:44 2011 UTC.
[17:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-29-17.00.moin.txt
[17:17] <apw> ta jsalisbury
[17:17] <ogasawara> thanks jsalisbury
[17:17] <jsalisbury> bjf, thanks
[17:17] <cking> thanks jsalisbury


[04:39] <cpaelzer> good morning
[12:15] <xnox> cpaelzer, -drive file=generic-2.qcow2,if=none,id=D21 -device nvme,drive=D21,serial=1233 -global nvme.physical_block_size=4096 -global pci.logical_block_size=4096
[12:15] <xnox> cpaelzer, gives me nvme drives, but still with 512 physical and logical sectors =(
[12:15] <xnox> cpaelzer, how can I have 4k? =)
[12:21] <xnox> cpaelzer, =) i think i'm just gonna patch qemu to bump 9 to 12, and recompile to get 4k by default =)
[12:22] <cpaelzer> hehe
[12:22] <cpaelzer> I haven't used 4k there yet, I would need to check docs and experiment as well
[12:29] <cpaelzer> xnox: not sure if that helps, but passing through full devices works with different blpock sizes
[12:30] <cpaelzer> but I assume you want 4K on the qcow that is as file on a 4K device?
[12:30] <xnox> hmmm... i was hoping to fake 4k inside qemu
[12:31] <cpaelzer> oh just faking
[12:31] <cpaelzer> not insisting on what really happens then?
[12:31] <xnox> i have a bug report that grub-installer fails on 4k intel matrix raid and nvme
[12:31] <xnox> in uefi mode
[12:32] <xnox> i got uefi, i got nvme drives, i even have intel matrix raid inside the kvm, it's just the 4k is what is missing atm
[12:35] <cpaelzer> xnox: try a raw file instead of qcow and all tunables bumped up to 4k
[12:35] <cpaelzer> xnox: -device nvme,drive=drv0,serial=foo,opt_io_size=4096,min_io_size=4096,logical_block_size=4096,physical_block_size=4096
[12:39] <cpaelzer> xnox: is that looking better from your installers POV then?
[12:42] <xnox> cpaelzer, nope, i still get 512 in /sys/devices/*/queue/physical_block_size
[12:42] <xnox> i fear it's not supported option for nvme =/
[12:43] <cpaelzer> it is listed in qemu-system-x86_64 -device nvme,help
[12:45] <cpaelzer> xnox: yeah my test system also only gets 512 on that :-/
[12:49] <cpaelzer> xnox: does it (for the bug) have to be nvme to the guest?
[12:53] <cpaelzer> xnox: yeah with virtio-blk I got 4k immediately
[12:53] <cpaelzer> must be with the device being set up as nvme
[12:53] <cpaelzer> but since the arguments of nvme suggest they would work there this is odd
[12:53] <cpaelzer> maybe on nvme there are mor constraints (e.g. can not fake it)
[12:59] <xnox> cpaelzer, looking at the code, i do not see it set that stuff up.
[13:00] <cpaelzer> so it might be really not avail for nvme yet
[13:00] <xnox> cpaelzer, well. we don't know for sure. Let me try with virtio-blk i guess
[13:52] <jamespage> coreycb: ok so I'm in dep hell
[13:53] <jamespage>  python3-networking-bgpvpn : Depends: python3-django-horizon but it is not installable
[13:53] <coreycb> jamespage: ah.. yeah i think horizon is not fully py3 yet
[13:56] <coreycb> dosaboy: sorry i missed the meeting
[14:00] <coreycb> jamespage: i'll take a look at horizon now if you didn't start on it
[14:00] <jamespage> coreycb: its blocking me so let me take it
[14:00] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[16:14] <Ussat> so I am having a HELL of a time with this: I run logcheck thus: su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck
[16:14] <Ussat> and this is the output:  sort: cannot read: '/tmp/logcheck.luiR3D/logoutput/*': No such file or directory
[16:15] <Ussat> any idea why that error is being thrown ?
[16:15] <Ussat> I know the file does not exist, but I am wondering what is telling it to look there ?
[16:35] <avgtechie> probably something in the script /usr/sbin/logcheck
[17:10] <Ussat> Yea I found it......was going from a very old version to a new server new version...
[17:10] <Ussat> flags etc changed, but got it
[19:58] <runelind_q> will 16.04 ever get 4.15 kernel or will I have to upgrade to 18.04 for that?
[19:59] <sarnold> runelind_q: looks likeone is sitting in -proposed at the moment https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe
[20:00] <sarnold> my guess is when the next 16.04.x point release is shipped
[20:00] <nacc> i believe aug
[20:00] <nacc> per the lts page
[20:00] <nacc> !hwe
[20:03] <runelind_q> cool, don't see much of a reason to upgrade to 18.04 on my lxd box then.
[20:03] <sarnold> definitely wait on 18.04.1 if you're thinking of it
[20:03] <runelind_q> well you have to wait for 18.04.1 anyways to upgrade-in-place, right?
[20:04] <nacc> you can force it
[20:04] <nacc> iirc
[20:05] <runelind_q> meh, I'm not too worried about it.
[20:05] <runelind_q> this box just does lxd and I'm more worried about stability
[20:06] <nacc> runelind_q: yes, i wouldn't bother upgrading then
[20:08] <runelind_q> especialy if 16.04 will eventually get 4.15
[20:09] <runelind_q> 4.4->4.15 seems like a big jump though.
[20:09] <nacc> runelind_q: well, if you're on hwe, you will already be at 4.13
[20:09] <nacc> if you're not on hwe, you will stay on 4.4
[20:10] <runelind_q> hwe?
[20:11] <runelind_q> reading about it now
[20:12] <runelind_q> is hwe recommended?
[20:18]  * runelind_q #yolo
[20:25] <runelind_q> catch you on the flip side, I hope :)
[20:47] <runelind_q> nacc: 4.13.0-45-generic seems to work fine so far.
[21:35] <nacc> runelind_q: "recommended" is hard to say
[21:35] <nacc> runelind_q: if your hardware works great in 4.4, there's no particular reason to use HWE
[21:36] <runelind_q> now you tell me ;p
[21:36] <nacc> runelind_q: HWE = HardWare Enablement stack
[21:37] <runelind_q> makes sense I guess.
[21:42] <JanC> I guess the newer kernel might also be useful for other things, but you always risk that something breaks or gets worse too  :)
[21:42] <runelind_q> like SSH going non-responsive :D
[21:43] <nacc> JanC: yeah, in principle it does enable other "features", but the primary use-case is the hardware stack
[21:43] <nacc> most users are not aware of kernel features outside of the hardware support, tbh
[21:44] <sarnold> /dev/urandom is a thousand times faster
[21:45] <nacc> heh
[21:46] <sarnold> 13.4 MB/s on my xeon running 4.4 and 203 MB/s on my i7 laptop running 4.15
[21:52] <runelind_q> heh, interesting, SSH locks up to the LXD box itself, but not containers running on that box O.o
[22:52] <keithzg> Hrmmm, weird, trying to set up Samba shares on a machine and I'm getting NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER for a user that's most definitely a user account local to the samba server machine.
[22:52] <keithzg> It's been so long since I've had any problems setting up samba!
[22:58] <genii> Samba usernames are not neccessarily the same as local account usernames
[23:00] <nacc> keithzg: yeah, I think that is not finding your username in the AD?
[23:01] <keithzg> Hrmm. Well if I'm *running* AD it sure isn't intentionally, heh
[23:01] <nacc> keithzg: samba can also act as the AD
[23:03] <keithzg> nacc: Sure; thing is, I'm at a loss for what the difference is, I just compared the smb.conf file from an entirely working server here at the office and it's likewise unchanged other than adding shares. So I would have assumed things to Just Work in the same way.
[23:03] <nacc> keithzg: ack, i honestly don't use samba at all, just spitballing :)
[23:04] <keithzg> nacc: Alas, I work in an office where 90% of people are running Windows, so it's a necessary evil . . .
[23:05] <keithzg> This right now is part of my plan of slowly trying to change things over from "all computers have network shares that allow any guest users full control", heh
[23:06] <sarnold> keithzg: take a look at smbpasswd, hopefully that'll get you in the right direction for a username/password combo that works
[23:08] <keithzg> sarnold: Err but the problem is that I need to do more than just creating some new credentials that work, I need this to automatically work for all users that'd be valid on the machine itself :(
[23:08] <keithzg> It's hard enough getting users to create one password and actually remember it!
[23:09] <keithzg> Anyways even trying to set it via smbpasswd I get NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[23:09] <Gobo708> Hi All, simple but frustrating one... does anyone know how to change the hostname? I have tried setting local loopback in /etc/hosts first, to ensure this is not interfering. I have tried hostnamectl set-hostname newhostname, I have tried editing /etc/hostname
[23:10] <Gobo708> This is a  VM btw
[23:10] <nacc> dpb1: --^ did the default setting change for cloud-config? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2389098&page=2&s=d1d6765c0fda139a3be80b3f6fcdcfa7
[23:10] <Gobo708> There is mention that you need to edit /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and set preserve_hostname to true, but cloud.cfg states that this will prevent set hostname from working.... so *shrug*
[23:11] <sarnold> Gobo708: I haven't tried changing a hostname but fixing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname then rebooting feels like it ought to have done the trick
[23:11] <nacc> dpb1: s/config/init/ -- not great when a forum post suggests removal of cloud-init as the workaround
[23:11] <keithzg> Yeah anytime I've needed to change a hostname, nothing more than /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname has been required.
[23:11] <nacc> Gobo708: do you actually have a cloud.cfg currently?
[23:11] <sarnold> keithzg: hrm in ten seconds of searching I didn't spot any docs online about using pam_unix in samba.. but instructions for the other way around, using pam_winbind for other services ..
[23:12] <Gobo708> from cloud.cfg #This will cause the set+update hostname module not to operate if (true)
[23:12] <Gobo708> I will try rebooting again, in case it may have worked
[23:14] <Gobo708> nacc, I think setting local loopback may have been interfering
[23:14] <Gobo708> nacc, with /etc/hosts set correcty, after reboot it stuck
[23:16] <keithzg> sarnold: Yeah, and the perplexing thing is I swear I didn't really do much at all to get this working on other servers before; I really thought it Just Worked by default, but it sure isn't on this one server! Admittedly the problem one is running 18.04---hopefully this isn't something I have to look forwards to when I finally upgrade the others!
[23:18] <nacc> Gobo708: ok
[23:19] <Gobo708> nacc, thanks for your time ;)
[23:46] <keithzg> I'm finding it increasingly perplexing that the use-case of using standard PAM authentications for Samba seems so poorly documented . . .
[23:51] <nacc> keithzg: in his tz, ahasenack may be able to help
[23:53] <sarnold> given the ntlm2 wireformat for authentication it may not really be feasible to use pam_unix
[23:53] <keithzg> sarnold: Tjat
[23:53] <sarnold> you might be stuck having to manage an AD thing
[23:54] <keithzg> err, that's fair enough, but theoretically the samba password database should be able to sync with PAM.
[23:54] <keithzg> That seems to be the modern solution to that. But I've yet to find any documentation of that officially, and all the unofficial documentation seems to be woefully out of date or incomplete itself.
[23:56] <keithzg> Ex. apparently in 14.04 there was a package libpam-smbpass, but it sure doesn't seem to exist before *or* after trusty . . .
[23:59] <sarnold> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=799840