[01:36] <fishcooker> how to set un-decorate windows on every lubuntu app?
[14:18] <swift110> I am  trying to start firefox but it wont work. What is going on?
[16:29] <aguditos> hi there, does vivaldi browser run on lubuntu_
[16:29] <aguditos> 1.6 GHz RAM 480MB
[16:29] <aguditos> help


[07:18] <oz_> hey guys does anyone know on maas 1.9.3 can i tag multiple vlans on nodes added in maas itself? i was not able to change the part in the networking config on nodes.
[07:57] <mup> Bug #1604702 opened: Unable to add a 16384-bit ssh key to my account from web UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604702>
[08:00] <mup> Bug #1604702 changed: Unable to add a 16384-bit ssh key to my account from web UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604702>
[08:06] <mup> Bug #1604702 opened: Unable to add a 16384-bit ssh key to my account from web UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604702>
[09:25] <siva> Hi. I have taken 3 physical servers. On one server I installed ubuntu 15.10(Wily). And then installed MAAS. Configured the MAAS Cluster. Now I am trying to register my hardware with MAAS. MAAS done with PXE boot of its nodes and assigned IPs . When i was trying to ssh into the MAAS nodes, it was giving Permission denied (public key issue). In MAAS UI I added public key of MAAS installed server. And finally it was showing commission statu
[09:26] <siva> Cloud-init v.0.7.5 started running and finished . I am using MAAS Version 1.9.3+bzr4577-0ubuntu1 (wily1).   Finally , the MAAS nodes have stuck with the info -> Cloud-init v.0.7.5 finished at wed, 20 jul 2016 13:01:51  +0000 Datasource  DataSource ConfigDriveNet [net, ver=2] [Source=/dev/sdb1]. UP 43.10sec.
[09:27] <siva> I observed the Maas log files under /var/log/maas. I didn’t get any error messages. But I didn’t understand why commission is failing.
[09:27] <siva> MAAS log info : http://paste.openstack.org/show/537405/
[09:28] <siva> Could you please provide me the solution why MAAS commission failed.
[10:06] <mup> Bug #1604738 opened: Dynamic subnet range disappears after edit and is replaced with "No IP ranges have been reserved for this subnet." <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604738>
[12:57] <acovrig> what debugging steps can I take, deployments are failing and I’m not sure why
[13:15] <kiko> acovrig, you'll need to tell us more about the failure first :)
[13:16] <kiko> siva, hey there
[13:17] <acovrig> kiko: that’s what I’m asking, all I can tell is it says “Failed deployment”, how can I learn more about the failure to troubleshoot
[13:18] <kiko> acovrig, what are you deploying?
[13:23] <acovrig> ubuntu 16.04
[13:23] <roaksoax> acovrig: are you using MAAS 2.0 ?
[13:23] <roaksoax> acovrig: get the installation log from the WebUI (at the bottom of the page)
[13:24] <roaksoax> acovrig: and if you are using 2.0, look in: /var/log/maas/rsyslog/<machine-name>/../messages
[13:25] <acovrig> roaksoax: the last thing I get is Node installation - ‘cloudinit’ running modules for final then Node changed status - From ‘Deploying’ to ‘Failed deployment’
[13:27] <acovrig> I see a few “timed out waiting for reply from <ip> (ntp)” which would explain it trying to hit a status point of 2012…
[13:28] <roaksoax> acovrig: my guess is that it deployed successfully, but on the reboot, it either didn't boot from the disk, or it failed to reach maas after the the first reboot
[13:28] <roaksoax> acovrig: can you pastebin the cloud-init outout + the install log from the wbeui ?
[13:32] <acovrig> roaksoax: install log from the webui, where would the cloud-init output be? https://gist.github.com/acovrig/446fc9b616f72979c7995a5132fb607f
[13:39] <roaksoax> acovrig: yeah, if it is not there, then that means cloud-init/curtin didn't send it back
[13:39] <roaksoax> acovrig: also, can you pb the rsyslog ?
[13:40] <acovrig> roaksoax: sure, currenlty I have the BIOS set to PXE boot first, should I not (I.E. have it boot from the HDD after deployment)?
[13:41] <roaksoax> acovrig: no you don't, giving it a second look it seems something failed before the machine was actually rebooted
[13:41] <roaksoax> Node changed status - From 'Deploying' to 'Failed deployment'	Tue, 19 Jul. 2016 15:16:52
[13:41] <roaksoax> Node installation - 'cloudinit' running modules for final	Tue, 19 Jul. 2016 15:16:52
[13:41] <roaksoax> acovrig: look at the timestamp
[13:41] <roaksoax> acovrig: so the rsyslog should show why was that ?
[13:42] <acovrig> roaksoax: OK, gist updated (https://gist.github.com/acovrig/446fc9b616f72979c7995a5132fb607f#file-rsyslog)
[13:43] <acovrig> roaksoax: interesting: the rsyslog only goes to 13:53, not to 15:16 (time)
[13:45] <acovrig> roaksoax: sudo grep 15:16 /var/log/maas/rsyslog/HOST-DELL-*/*/messages shows nothing O.o
 I see a few “timed out waiting for reply from <ip> (ntp)” which would explain it trying to hit a status point of 2012…
[13:47] <kiko> roaksoax, acovrig: ^^^ is this not relevant?
[13:47] <kiko> could the times be skewed and failing for that reason?
[13:47] <acovrig> yea, I watched the physical console a few times and saw it getting a 401 from my MAAS server because of it; what would cause it to not be able to reach ntp?
[13:48] <kiko> acovrig, IIRC the node is trying to reach ntp.ubuntu.com
[13:48] <kiko> is that reachable?
[13:50] <acovrig> kiko: odd, I’m deploying to 2 nodes now to see if it was just a timing issue; I SSH’d into one of them and it can ping the MAAS server (router for the nodes) but not ping google (<IP_ADDRESS>), but it can DNS dig google.com...
[13:51] <kiko> acovrig, well, typically dig will work, as MAAS is the DNS server
[13:51] <kiko> acovrig, it looks like routing (or NAT) is broken?
[13:52] <acovrig> kiko: I have 3 FW rules on MAAS: -A FORWARD -i eno1.8 -o eno1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[13:52] <roaksoax> kiko: the NTP shouldn't be an issue release
[13:52] <acovrig> -A FORWARD -i eno1 -o eno1.8 -j ACCEPT
[13:52] <roaksoax> acovrig: what do you have under /var/log/maas/rsyslog/ ?
[13:52] <acovrig> and -A POSTROUTING -o eno1.8 -j MASQUERADE
[13:52] <roaksoax> acovrig: is it just completely empty ?
[13:53] <kiko> acovrig, the MASQUERADE entry looks wrong
[13:53] <kiko> acovrig, shouldn't that be -o eno1?
[13:53] <kiko> oh hmm
[13:53] <acovrig> roaksoax: no, I have my 2 hosts/date/messages and maas-enlisting-node/date/{messages,ip}
[13:54] <kiko> roaksoax, right, but if there is no upstream connectivity, could things be failing?
[13:54] <acovrig> kiko: the MAAS server is on VLAN 8 (tagged) to get to the nodes (untagged)
[13:54] <roaksoax> kiko: yeah it could, but NTP shouldn't be a cause of failure
[13:55] <acovrig> don’t the nodes use a date to connect back to the MAAS server?
[13:55] <kiko> acovrig, eno1.8 is external, I understand now
[13:55] <kiko> acovrig, do the packets appear correctly masqueraded?
[13:55] <kiko> acovrig, if you plug a laptop into the untagged vlan, can it get out?
[13:56] <acovrig> kiko: good question, pending test
[13:57] <kiko> roaksoax, sure, but NTP failing could be an indication that networking in general is failing :)
[14:01] <acovrig> kiko, roaksoax: a windows 7 client can’t access icanhazip.com from chrome, so routing must be broken
[14:02] <kiko> acovrig, right. fix the networking first and then come back to me. :)
[14:02] <acovrig> I updated the gist (https://gist.github.com/acovrig/446fc9b616f72979c7995a5132fb607f) with my iptables and ifconfig; not sure what’s wrong...
[14:03] <acovrig> sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward is on...
[14:03] <kiko> acovrig, check the input and output chains too, otherwise add logging and use tcpdump/wireshark to see what's happening
[14:11] <acovrig> kiko: OK, not sure what was wrong, but fixed iptables and networking works, just started a deployment, we’ll see what happens.
[14:12] <kiko> acovrig, list out the rules you have now (iptables -L FORWARD -n, perhaps INPUT and OUTPUT too) and put it in a paste?
[14:12] <acovrig> roaksoax: FYI: I couldn’t get maas to accept an SSH key yesterday and was able to install 2.0.0~beta3+bzr4941-0ubuntu1 and now it accepts my key(s).
[14:12] <kiko> acovrig, cool
[14:15] <acovrig> kiko: looking at diff, I got my ifs flipped; I guess the guide I looked at used eth1 as internet and eth0 as lan and I didn’t notice :/
[14:15] <kiko> aha
[14:15] <kiko> thanks
[14:20]  * acovrig emits a squeel of excitement: “Deployed” :D
[14:22] <acovrig> now to get juju and openstack to work :)
[14:42] <kiko> acovrig, it worked? w00t!
[14:44] <acovrig> kiko: yup, now I just need to find a good guide to get juju+openstack to work as a failover cluster for VMs
[14:44] <roaksoax> acovrig: this should do : https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/
[14:45] <acovrig> roaksoax: ooh, thanks
[17:11] <mup> Bug #1604901 opened: No way to retrieve complete event log through the cli <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604901>
[17:17] <kiko> acovrig, all a-ok?
[17:18] <acovrig> kiko: with MAAS, yes, I’m still working though juju/openstack ‘solutions’
[17:18] <kiko> okay
[17:35] <G_Dog1985> do i need two server to run maas and openstack or can it be don by on mass
[17:35] <G_Dog1985> done*
[19:59] <mup> Bug #1604938 opened: node failed deployment "Exception: I/O operation on closed file." <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604938>
[21:12] <mup> Bug #1604962 opened: node set to "failed deployment" for no visible reason <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604962>
[22:06] <mup> Bug #1604987 opened: Event log should always include a reason why a node was marked Failed Deployment <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.0:Triaged> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604987>
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1546760 changed: Re-attempt power on for initial PXE failure during node deployment to alleviate PXE failures <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546760>
[22:54] <mup> Bug #1605008 opened: juju2beta12 and maas2rc2:  juju status shows 'failed deployment' for node that was 'deployed' in maas <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605008>
[23:00] <mup> Bug #1605008 changed: juju2beta12 and maas2rc2:  juju status shows 'failed deployment' for node that was 'deployed' in maas <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605008>
[23:00] <mup> Bug #1546760 opened: Re-attempt power on for initial PXE failure during node deployment to alleviate PXE failures <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546760>
[23:06] <mup> Bug #1546760 changed: Re-attempt power on for initial PXE failure during node deployment to alleviate PXE failures <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546760>
[23:18] <mup> Bug #1605008 opened: juju2beta12 and maas2rc2:  juju status shows 'failed deployment' for node that was 'deployed' in maas <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605008>
[23:24] <mup> Bug #1605008 changed: juju2beta12 and maas2rc2:  juju status shows 'failed deployment' for node that was 'deployed' in maas <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605008>


[04:01] <Azeban> Hello hello hello. and good evening
[17:07] <Azeban> Hello hello hello.
[17:08] <Azeban> good afternoon


[03:28] <robert_ancell> What is the review process for mir? If one person and jenkins have OK'd code does the reviewer set the MP to approved or do you leave that for the proposer?
[03:33] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ^?
[03:41] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I believe the reviewer can set that, but I don't know if it's documented
[03:41] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what have people been doing?
[03:42] <robert_ancell> also, is one human review sufficient (as long as they are confident in it)
[03:42] <RAOF> Again, I think so.
[03:43] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, reviewers have been setting it to approved.
[03:43] <robert_ancell> ok, I'll do that then
[15:44] <Leyland> Are there example or demo clients that show the use of input?
[15:54] <Leyland> I am able to build and run the demo_client_accelerated on X, using my wrapper libraries that map mir and EGL calls to X and glx, but I don't have anything to see how input works.
[16:20] <alan_g> Leyland: not yet. input is a work-in-progress
[16:21] <Leyland> Thanks! :)
[16:42] <Ranomier_> Hey there i used ubuntu for a long time because i was new in linux now im using gentoo/archlinux, because i want go deeper. Anyway, is there a differenz between mir and wayland?
[16:43] <Ranomier_> *difference xD
[16:43] <FunnyLookinHat> Ranomier_, yes.  :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[16:44] <FunnyLookinHat> (It's in the topic)
[16:44] <FunnyLookinHat> An even breakdown by RAOF of the design differences specific to Wayland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113883146362955330174/posts/PXc93m8nKwk
[16:44] <FunnyLookinHat> *even better breakdown
[16:46] <Ranomier_> mmmh and why it where developed bihind closed doors?
[16:47] <Ranomier_> why u guys said 5 or 6 months ago hey that thing in wayland is not good for us, we thinking about mir ...
[16:47] <Leyland> Too many chefs spoil the broth?
[16:49] <Ranomier_> No thats not the point, im not talking about that the source code was behind close doors, im talking about the idea and the problems u have with wayland ...
[16:50] <Leyland> I'm just asking if that was the reason, I don't know myself
[16:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Ranomier_, there's plenty of public discussion on that in the various social networks ( primarily in the comments of the post I linked ) - afaik this is a place for technical discussion, not philosophic arguments :)
[16:51] <Ranomier_> im not at g+ and fb ... and now?
[16:52] <Ranomier_> Sry but for this single point a want a answer, why u not just saying something?
[16:53] <Ranomier_> why u develop 6 months and no one knows it ... everyone thought u using wayland. My company too.
[16:54] <arti> so, G+ post say basicaly two things that wayland lacked 6 month ago: 1) no input stack (then write one,  less work then dooing everyhing from start) 2) server-side buffers (pach it and send upstream, less work then dooing everything from start)
[16:54] <arti> gui toolkit's would be needed to rewrite anyway but just not qt and gtk have to support 3 backends(x11, wayland, mir) instead of two (x11, wayland) whitch means more work
[16:56] <Ranomier_> yeah thats technical reasons and good reasons, but how about saying something 6 months ago?
[16:57] <arti> yes, not talking with developers is the worst part
[16:57] <Ranomier_> sry for my bad english, my pasive vocabulary is good, but active ...
[16:58] <arti> mine isn't better either but everything sould be readable
[16:59] <Ranomier_> ubuntu is for people ... i missunderstand this sentence ... it is not for all people - it is for the users majority. And u think they dump. U dont care about the developers that are users too
[17:01] <Ranomier_> our company thinked and tested code with wayland and ubuntu, but now ...
[17:01] <Ranomier_> next time just say something!
[17:02] <Leyland> Ranomier, out of curiousity what project are you working on that uses Wayland?
[17:02] <Ranomier_> iptv´s for hospitals
[17:03] <Ranomier_> they are touchsreen
[17:04] <Ranomier_> just say something, NOW! Sry but im a little angry
[17:06] <Leyland> I'm not sure Wayland is dead from Mir, especially if they both can leverage the same universal EGL backend.
[17:09] <Ranomier_> http://xkcd.com/927/ !
[17:11] <arti> i hope that it doesn't get that bad but i gues it already is that bad
[17:11] <arti> x11, wayland, mir, directfb
[17:13] <Leyland> Ha, I don't think it's that bad, I created a thin wrapper of some EGL functions over GLX and I was surprised by the symmetry. In fact the last project I worked own was in essense faking OpenGL on 2d blitting hardware
[17:16] <Ranomier_> "this is a place for technical discussion, not philosophic arguments" it is not philosophic it is a company decision!!!
[17:17] <Leyland> I think we got the wrong impression with what you initially said.
[17:20] <Ranomier_> yeah and now please tell me why u not said something in the past, said that aspects of the wayland project is not what u need....
[17:21] <vibhav> ...
[17:21] <vibhav> This channel is for technical discussion regarding Mir
[17:22] <FunnyLookinHat> vibhav, +1  :)
[17:22] <Ranomier_> ok then i join #ubuntu-mir-company-decisions and then im alone ... why u cant tell me in short words here why not.
[17:23] <vibhav> Sure
[17:23] <FunnyLookinHat> vibhav, Are you https://plus.google.com/u/0/107393039276001104013/posts ?  If so I'm https://plus.google.com/u/0/107253373337628904473/posts - nice to meet you  in IRC  :)
[17:24]  * vibhav hugs FunnyLookinHat
[17:24] <vibhav> \o/
[17:24] <FunnyLookinHat> 0/
[17:28] <Ranomier_> ok where i can post or write something, to get the imformation about ur silence 6 months ago.
[17:28] <Ranomier_> ?
[17:29] <Ranomier_> have i to register at g+ to get an answer?
[17:33] <vibhav> Ran
[17:33] <vibhav> Ranomier_: sorry, but can you rephrase what you said?
[17:36] <Ranomier_> ok, i want to now why canonical said they are using wayland then develop mir behind closed doors wothout saying something? And other comanys think they can develop and test code for wayland with ubuntu.
[17:36] <arti> he want's to know why didn't canonical contact wayland devolopers about their shortcoming before starting Mir
[17:36] <Ranomier_> no not only the wayland developer
[17:36] <arti> well everyone
[17:38] <arti> why didn't they tell everyone about mir from the start
[17:47] <Ranomier_> now i and we rephrase our answer ... and now?
[17:51] <Ranomier_> Ihr seid beton köpfe, genau wie siemens enterprise. U are concrete heads, just like siemens enterprise.
[17:54] <Ranomier_> ok i have no time for that my girlfriend is waiting for me at home, i have to go bye for now but i coming again, day for day^^
[17:56] <Ranomier_> im reading the news im waiting for ur answer. bye
[20:23] <racarr> Hmm. Today does not seem to be the day where I have a mystical epiphany on the mysterious prepare-for-inprocess-egl jenkins failure
[20:23] <racarr> :(
[20:39] <thechef> Is Mir a fake-project designed to emulate competition to wayland developers so the finally implement binary driver support?
[20:40] <R__> my understanding is that binary drivers that work for Mir will also work for Wayland
[20:40] <R__> or at least that's what we're being fed right now ;p


[11:21] <chalcedony> COMMAND     PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[11:21] <chalcedony> mixer_app  4445 llhull   17u   CHR  116,6      7298 /dev/snd/controlC0
[11:21] <chalcedony> alsamixer 23662 llhull    3u   CHR  116,6      7298 /dev/snd/controlC0
[11:21] <chalcedony> ~$ lsof /dev/dsp
[11:21] <chalcedony> COMMAND     PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[11:21] <chalcedony> firefox-b 22547 llhull   88u   CHR   14,3      7286 /dev/dsp
[11:21] <FluxAR> jrib, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35976/
[11:21] <nothlit> !pastebin | chalcedony
[11:21] <ubotu> chalcedony: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:21] <chalcedony> ~$
[11:22] <FluxAR> orion2012, let's see that hacky solution.
[11:22] <chalcedony> evad: none of those should block Audacity should the?
[11:22] <Kootaphor> Is it a problem if you can ping your local machines via IP number and not via hostname? How would one fix that?
[11:22] <rizo_> /dev/hdb3 /media/hdb3 reiserfs users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0
[11:22] <evad> chalcedony: firefox is using /dev/dsp
[11:22] <rizo_> what the problem with taht
[11:22] <dogmeat> my /etc/apt/sources.list lists hosts that fail to allow package fetches. is there an package that will select a good server?
[11:22] <chalcedony> ahh!
[11:22] <chalcedony> ok ty evad :)
[11:22] <jrib> orion2012: thanks, FluxAR did you look over that thread, would save some time :)
[11:22] <nothlit> rizo_, just use defaults 0 2
[11:22] <evad> chalcedony: close firefox, or the tab/window which is doing sound
[11:22] <FluxAR> jrib, I'm looking at it now... let's see
[11:23] <rizo_> okay i will try
[11:23] <evad> Sadly, on most linux/ubuntu installs, it's not easy for the users to do multiple applications using the sound card at once
[11:23] <B_H> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/source/mc
[11:23] <rizo_> is there of remounting from fstab without restarting the kernel
[11:23] <B_H> mc but didnt work :(
[11:23] <pi1l> !ipod
[11:23] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[11:23] <ubun> my only complaint about ubuntu so far is cut/paste not working consistently
[11:23] <kitche> rizo
[11:23] <rizo_> is there of way of remounting from fstab without restarting the kernel
[11:23] <NineTeen67Comet> Does anyone have a default /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf handy? I accidentally tossed mine... and now all but one site point to the first virtual host ..
[11:23] <rizo_> yes?
[11:23] <kitche> rizo_: with fstab you just enter the infromation in then do mount <device>
[11:24] <nothlit> rizo_, sudo mount -a
[11:24] <davascript_work> it might not be in apt
[11:24] <rizo_> thanks
[11:24] <linux_kid> where do you set the document root in apache2?
[11:24] <yohan> i'm looking for linux games warez, does anyone know where i can find it?
[11:24] <nothlit> rizo_, or you could use sudo umount -a; sudo mount -a
[11:24] <pi1l> !ipodlinux
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipodlinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <FirstStrike> ....
[11:24] <sports_fan> aptitude gave me a undefined error symbol error
[11:24] <davascript_work> B_H: its mc on gentoo and i cant find it on these debian boxes
[11:24] <FirstStrike> yohan: You won't find warez here.
[11:24] <nothlit> yohan, we don't support illegal material here
[11:24] <mc44> pi1l: rockbox
[11:24] <davascript_work> just install by source
[11:24] <rizo_> i got an error
[11:24] <rizo_> wrong fs type
[11:24] <yohan> yeah im sorry
[11:24] <B_H> aha ok
[11:25] <w3ccv> rizo_, some *nix have a 'mountall' command that mounts everything from fstab that isn't mounted
[11:25] <rizo_> bad superblock on /dev/hdb3,
[11:25] <pi1l> !rockbox
[11:25] <yohan> but id just like a channel name or a link
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rockbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> !ipod | pi1l
[11:25] <ubotu> pi1l: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[11:25] <nothlit> rizo_, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[11:25] <Lam_> yohan: and i'd like a unicorn.
[11:25] <FirstStrike> yohan: Once again, you're on your own.
[11:25] <rizo_> i did mount -a
[11:25] <pi1l> thanx
[11:25] <mc44> pi1l: http://www.rockbox.org/
[11:25] <rizo_> got the the error bad superblock on /dev/hdb3,
[11:25] <davascript_work> mount -a
[11:25] <davascript_work> that will mount everything in fstab
[11:25] <yohan> what? im sorry
[11:26] <LjL> yohan: no. warez.
[11:26] <yohan> ok im sorry
[11:26] <nothlit> yohan the entire freenode network does not support illegal material
[11:26] <kitche> nothlit: kinda late there :)
[11:26] <jrib> FluxAR: my suggestion was going to be to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and fix the error
[11:27] <linux_kid> where is the part of the .conf file in apache2 where you set the document root
[11:27] <FluxAR> jrib, but I can't see which is the error
[11:27] <nothlit> kitche, oh rofl... i have enter/exit message blindness
[11:27] <jrib> FluxAR: someone wrote Python-versions and it should be Python-version without the 's'
[11:27] <d1gital> allright i just upgraded to edgy...... time to reboot
[11:27] <dogmeat> how can i set up my /etc/apt/sources.list with good package host servers?
[11:28] <d1gital> if i dont come back... it's because dsomething wen terribly wrong...
[11:28] <FluxAR> jrib, Ok .... I'll try.
[11:28] <LinAsH> linux_kid, you mean in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default ?
[11:28] <boink> edgy appears to be working after that first reboot
[11:28] <jrib> FluxAR: make a backup before editing that file
[11:28] <linux_kid> LinAsh thanks
[11:28] <cntb> why left alt turned to be ISO_next_group ?what is that ISO_next _group in keyboard definitions ?
[11:30] <anto9us> anyone up for a quiz in about an hour? In #ubuntu-trivia if you're up for a bit of fun/showing off/frustration
[11:31] <ubun> kool
[11:31] <sports_fan> ok it's not booting ssh
[11:31] <sports_fan> i need remote access to this box
[11:31] <sports_fan> we had it working last night
[11:32] <vonderer> hi there!
[11:32] <kitche> sports_fan: go to /etc/init.d/ and see if you have the sshd script in there and if it's executable
[11:32] <ubun> ubuntu needs a better default irc client than xchat
[11:32] <vonderer> where can i find packages, downloaded with apt-get?
[11:32] <jrib> vonderer: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:32] <vonderer> thx
[11:32] <orion2012> ubun: there's xchat-gnome, which is the edgy default, which is pretty much the same thing :)
[11:33] <kitche> ubun: well considering xchat is one of the more popular irc clients but there is others
[11:33] <sports_fan> i only have a ssh
[11:33] <ubun> is there a gui front end to irssi?
[11:33] <Spee_Der> ubun: I'm using the irc built into Opera.
[11:33] <orion2012> ubun: or irssi, my personal favorite
[11:33] <sports_fan> no sshd
[11:33] <FluxAR> jrib, orion2012 : thanks for your helping today! I solved my problem!
[11:33] <orion2012> ubun: no
[11:33] <ubun> irssi is nice even in console
[11:33] <jrib> FluxAR: great, how did you end up doing it?
[11:34] <kitche> sports_fan: do you have anything ssh in there?
[11:34] <DARKGuy> ubun: it is :)
[11:34] <Spee_Der> Good evening DARK
[11:34] <boink> for gui, use xchat
[11:34] <sports_fan> all i have is one file called ssh
[11:34] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: Evenin' :) how it's goin' ^^
[11:34] <kitche> sports_fan: that might be the script
[11:34] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Brrrrrrr for the moment anyway, you ?
[11:34] <sports_fan> when i execute it tells me can't load some key file
[11:34] <ziox> hi
[11:34] <ziox> is there anyone in here?
[11:35] <Hexo[AG] > Ok so I formatted this hdd with ext3, but I can't write to it because I'm not owner? O.o
[11:35] <Spee_Der> I am very much enjoying this dual monitor thingy DARK, thanks for the help !
[11:35] <FluxAR> jrib, editing /var/lib/dpkg/status :-)
[11:35] <kitche> sports_fan: are you sudoing /etc/init.d/ssh start
[11:35] <ziox> hi
[11:35] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: heh, same @_@ and changing iDesk for Rox :) it's way better ^^
[11:35] <sports_fan> yes
[11:35] <belfegorash> does ubuntu 5.04 suports skype?
[11:35] <ziox> im a noob here...?
[11:35] <sports_fan> i'm actually IN the folder
[11:35] <alek66> how so I set a keycode so when pressed it opens a program'
[11:35] <sports_fan> do i not need to be ?
[11:35] <DARKGuy> !anyone | ziox
[11:35] <ubotu> ziox: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:35] <j0rd> belfegorash: it's more like does skype support ubuntu
[11:35] <DARKGuy> lol
[11:36] <j0rd> belfegorash: but the answer is yes, download the debian package from their website
[11:36] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Really, I'll have a look tomorrow when I return from Boston area and have time to do so.
[11:36] <ubun> how can i get gnome terminal to not conflict with irssi as far as switching hidden windows with ALT+n ?
[11:36] <josh_> how do i add wmv/avi support to kaffine?
[11:36] <belfegorash> yes i download
[11:36] <belfegorash> and is deb file
[11:36] <jrib> ubun: I disabled the shortcuts in gnome-terminal's prefs
[11:36] <belfegorash> how to install?
[11:36] <boink> josh: you need to adjust your sources.list
[11:36] <boink> then install w32codecs
[11:36] <j0rd> belfegorash: dpkg -i *.deb
[11:36] <ziox> Depeche mode rules!
[11:36] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: It really is :) though, icons are way larger (like, 64x64 and I dunno where to change the size >.<) but it's alright nonetheless, even prettier too and easier to set up :D
[11:36] <sports_fan> i need ssh_nost_rsa_key
[11:36] <josh_> i have the codecs installed
[11:36] <Hexo[AG] > So when I format a drive using GParted and mount it there, I can't write to it from user account?
[11:36] <Hexo[AG] > This is all so confusing
[11:36] <belfegorash> ok i will try
[11:37] <j0rd> belfegorash: as root bttw
[11:37] <Hexo[AG] > I tried changing permissions, but it doesn't allow me, presumably because I'm not root :/
[11:37] <josh_> next?
[11:37] <kitche> sports_fan: it doen't matter but you don't have the ssh keys that should be made when sshd is started
[11:37] <jrib> Hexo[AG] : how did you try?
[11:37] <worldjam> hello is there an easy way to go from 64bit ubuntu to 32bit or just need to download the 32bit and delete the 64bit?
[11:37] <jrib> worldjam: reinstall
[11:37] <Hexo[AG] > right click in the file browser and properties? :S
[11:37] <j0rd> Hexo[AG] : you have to be root to change that permission
[11:37] <Hexo[AG] > I can't make out how to use chmod :(
[11:37] <jrib> Hexo[AG] : join me in #ubuntu-classroom please   /join #ubuntu-classroom
[11:38] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Thanks for the heads-up on that, I have made note and will scope it out as well . . . . For the moment, I'm just chillin' with a few cold ones after a long work day. . . .  Hope all is well with you too..
[11:38] <j0rd> Hexo[AG] : chmod ugo+rwx $FILE
[11:38] <josh_> chmod {attrib} {file}
[11:38] <j0rd> u = user, g = group, o = other, r = read, w = write, x = execute
[11:38] <j0rd> Hexo[AG] : ^
[11:38] <kitche> j0rd: won't work for a volume
[11:38] <josh_> man chmod
[11:38] <j0rd> kitche: chmod?
[11:38] <ubun> jrib: i disabled them but they're still working, even after i restarted gnome-terminal :/
[11:38] <worldjam> so there is no way to just install a 32bit over the top of a 64bit you just have to format?
[11:39] <jrib> ubun: weird
[11:39] <kitche> j0rd: he wants permissions to write to a volume or disk as user
[11:39] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: Hehe, that's really nice :) - it is thanks ^^ learnin' some Mono and such =)
[11:39] <Spee_Der> Hmmmmm
[11:39] <freesun> hello, if there is a driver for a piece of hardware that is written for RedHat, but sourcecode is included, would it, recompiled work under ubuntu?
[11:39] <DARKGuy> Hm, chown?
[11:39] <j0rd> kitche: Hexo[AG]  login as root then and do it
[11:39] <belfegorash> when i login as root ...i write sudo...and?
[11:39] <j0rd> belfegorash: sudo su -
[11:39] <lubix> you dont long in as root
[11:39] <j0rd> belfegorash: will get you into root
[11:39] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Where to locate ROX ? I did apt-cache search rox and WOW, what a list it provided. . . .
[11:39] <kitche> j0rd: well considering ubuntu doesn't use root by default but you can do the same thing with umask when you mount it
[11:40] <belfegorash> ok
[11:40] <sports_fan> ok, so it's not starting
[11:40] <j0rd> belfegorash: or `sudo $cmdToRunAsRoot
[11:40] <j0rd> belfegorash: or `sudo $cmdToRunAsRoot`
[11:40] <sports_fan> whats a workaround?
[11:40] <orion2012> sports_fan: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server"
[11:40] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: Lol! it is big xD (tip: when doing apt-cache search and know a part of the package you want, you can type the first letters and tab completion will come! :D), rox-filer is what you want ^^
[11:40] <j0rd> kitche: that's what i would have suggested, but i dont want to explain that to him
[11:40] <sports_fan> ok
[11:40] <ubun> jrib: actually i did it wrong nm, it works
[11:41] <j0rd> kitche: i'd run the GUI thinger he's using with `sudo gparted` and do what ever he needs like that
[11:41] <ubuntu> does ATI drivers support radeon 9200?
[11:41] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Aha ! Thanks. I was looking at that too, will scope it out and see what kind of havock I can reek into this computer. . . . .
[11:41] <sports_fan> nope\
[11:41] <sports_fan> nothing
[11:41] <sports_fan> same error
[11:42] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: Haha xD you're welcome, good luck setting it up :) if you use fluxbox o blackbox or anything related, you can follow a HowTo I found to set it up here too ^^
[11:42] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Danke' shein. . .
[11:42] <belfegorash> i canot login
[11:42] <ValMarko> Hello :) I need plugins for watching Tv on firefox browser. Anybody help me?
[11:42] <DARKGuy> ^^
[11:42] <ValMarko> plugins equivalent to w media player
[11:43] <belfegorash> where i put password?
[11:43] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: It's installing now. . . .
[11:43] <gilt> hello everybody
[11:43] <DARKGuy> ValMarko: mplayer is the WMP for Firefox under Linux
[11:43] <cntb> pls any expert in international keyboard tuning
[11:43] <gilt> can anybody tell me what version of video4linux does ubuntu has in kernel
[11:43] <ValMarko> where can I get it?
[11:43] <DARKGuy> ValMarko: I installed it using Automatix2, I dunno how would it be if you want to install it manually
[11:43] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: Nice :)
[11:44] <apokryphos> !automatix
[11:44] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:44] <DARKGuy> Actually..
[11:44] <sports_fan> ok , i was wrong, it works now, i had a typo .. THANKS for you help !!
[11:44] <ValMarko> automatix2? tanks
[11:44] <kitche> sports_fan you have to generate the keys manually most likely
[11:44] <DARKGuy> ValMarko: check what ubotu says :P
[11:44] <ubun> now i'm scared to use automatix :(
[11:44] <DARKGuy> =S
[11:44] <ValMarko> Worksforme? where can I get it?
[11:44] <DARKGuy> !WorksForMe
[11:44] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:44] <freesun> If I have driver source code, does it matter for which distribution of linux it was written or it will instatnly run on ubuntu? it's usb->serial convertor driver
[11:44] <sebastian_> I've had huge problems with automatix. I can't recommend it.
[11:45] <belfegorash> dpkg -i skype_debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb...and it doesnt working
[11:45] <ubun> i could apt-get everything i need anyway
[11:45] <DARKGuy> every machine is different :P
[11:45] <ubun> dont see the point of using a script
[11:45] <Kootaphor> orion2012 - re: the avahi stuff - I have no /etc/defaults/avahi-daemon file - but I do have an /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf file--same thing?
[11:45] <LjL> belfegorash: sudo dpkg
[11:45] <LjL> !doesn't work
[11:45] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[11:45] <kitche> freesun: doesn't matter since a driver will hook into the kernel anyways
[11:45] <orion2012> Kootaphor: no
[11:45] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Nice ! 8-)
[11:45] <freesun> thanks kitche
[11:45] <j1p> Is there a command I can use to figure out what my video card is? I know its integrated but I'm not sure what exactly it is
[11:46] <belfegorash> i am logged as root
[11:46] <agent> how do i check what device was mounted at a certain mount point if it is not listed in fstab?
[11:46] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: =) it is, way better than iDesk in some aspects :P (and it doesn't conflicts with the composite manager!)
[11:46] <ValMarko> So you recomend Worksforme?
[11:46] <belfegorash> error processing skype_debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb (--install):
[11:46] <belfegorash>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[11:46] <agent> j1p: lspci
[11:46] <orion2012> Kootaphor: If you don't have the /etc/defaults file, then something is _wrong_. Like I said earlier, you either accidentally removed it or don't have the package installed. Try reinstalling it.
[11:46] <ubun> easyubuntu might be safer than automatix
[11:46] <kitche> j1p: you can do glxinfo|grep driver and find out what driver it is using
[11:46] <agent> j1p: lspci -v or even lspci -vv for a but load of info
[11:46] <j1p> thanks agent and kitche
[11:46] <orion2012> Kootaphor: when I say package, I mean avahi-daemon
[11:46] <agent> j1p: also, try lshw
[11:47] <LjL> belfegorash: it would help if you "cd"d to the right directory first... possibly "cd ~/Desktop" if it was downloaded to the desktop
[11:47] <LjL> Ubotu, tell belfegorash about cli | belfegorash, see the private message from Ubotu
[11:47] <lubix> ! ubotu
[11:47] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:47] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Almost too easy really. It does look nice though. I will leave it open for now as we are preparing for dinner and family movie. Will check into it deeper this weekend some time. Thanks for the heads-up again !  ;)
[11:47] <DARKGuy> I wonder... does anybody know why in ktorrent, the speed goes up for a bit, then goes to zero, increases and decreases again... that never happened to me in Windows, is it normal? oO
[11:47] <belfegorash> yes is in the desktop
[11:48] <kitche> DARKGuy: that is normal it is bittorrent after all
[11:48] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: Hehe okay, you're welcome :D - ah, have fun and enjoy ^^
[11:48] <agent> DARKGuy: it did that in windows too... windows just lies and tells you that it is constant
[11:48] <DARKGuy> kitche: weird, uTorrent/Azureus in Win don't do that here =/ or maybe they do and don't show it? oO
[11:48] <Spee_Der> DARKGuy: Ciao amigo & gracias ! ! !
[11:48] <DARKGuy> agent: Lol I see
[11:48] <Kootaphor> orion2012: hmm..I just did a "ls | grep defaults" and I got nothing.  I did just remove and reinstall avahi-daemon. I'm stuck.
[11:48] <DARKGuy> Spee_Der: ^^ Ciao :D
[11:48] <gilt> can anybody tell me what version of video4linux does ubuntu has in kernel
[11:48] <agent> DARKGuy: don't trust windows for anything :)
[11:48] <kitche> DARKGuy: it depends on who your connected to and such also
[11:49] <DARKGuy> agent: since I entered the Linux world, not anymore :P
[11:49] <DARKGuy> kitche: I see o.o;
[11:49] <MagicFab> anyone from WV, USA ? Looking for any loco teams in or around WV
[11:49] <max_> where do you turn on the menu and kmenu transparency?
[11:50] <agent> DARKGuy: well, assuming that you have the same internet connection and are connected to the same node... the thing is, you may be using some far away unstable note - in truth, it could also be the bt client you are using - it may be buggy but the chances are very slim on that one
[11:50] <cntb> can left alt be both for alt-tab "walk through windows " and ISO_next_group as keyboard language changer ?
[11:50] <cntb> pls
[11:51] <gilt> hello guys..anybody tell me what version of video4linux does ubuntu has in kernel
[11:51] <zeR> Hi
[11:51] <ashley_> sup
[11:51] <orion2012> Kootaphor: "dpkg --list avahi*", does avahi-daemon turn up in the output?
[11:51] <ashley_> I love autmatix in ubuntu p
[11:51] <agent> DARKGuy: note = node... you are using the internet and are sharing files - there are a lot of things that happen but don't worry, it is very normal for your connection to go up and down especially when there are not many people sharing that file
[11:52] <ValMarko> where can I get WorksForMe?
[11:52] <ashley_> plus beryl I don't use windows anymore
[11:52] <agent> gilt: the version that came with the kernel :)
[11:52] <zeR> Ich wrde gerne auf meinen Webserver ein Skript stellen, dass nur die Eingabe eines youTube-Links bentigt und daraus ein MPG-File zum Download anbietet. Wei jemand vielleicht, ob es sowas schon gibt oder ob etwas berhaupt realisierbar ist?
[11:52] <DARKGuy> agent: I think you may be right - then again, Azureus just doesn't work if I kill the X because of (I assume) corrupt downloaded bits, and bittornado doesn't resume the torrents so :P
[11:52] <DARKGuy> !de
[11:52] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
 nice one..was a great help:)
[11:52] <DARKGuy> agent: I see o.o;
[11:53] <cntb> can left alt be both for alt-tab "walk through windows " and ISO_next_group as keyboard language changer ?
[11:53] <agent> gilt: i know... i soooooooooo tried hard on that one :P
[11:53] <DARKGuy> Ktorrent is the best one I've found xD;
[11:53] <tonyyarusso> ValMarko: We have no idea what you're talking about.
[11:53] <asgilder> Can you restore grub if you just have the Shipit! cd?
[11:53] <gilt> <you bet u were waiiting for this one
[11:53] <ashley_> I heard you can use utorrent with wine
[11:53] <kitche> ValMarko: WorksForMe is a saying
[11:54] <LjL> !WorksForMe | ValMarko
[11:54] <ubotu> ValMarko: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:54] <max_> asgilder: yes
[11:54] <ubun> heh ubuntu says 'there is one update waiting' not used to linux doing that
[11:54] <agent> DARKGuy: well, that azureus thing is probably a bug in azureus - the question remains whether that means its a "real" bug or the bug that azureus uses java :)
[11:54] <kitche> ashley_: yes you can but it's not really called utorrent anymore anyways
[11:54] <max_> !grub | asgilder
[11:54] <ubotu> asgilder: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:54] <DARKGuy> agent: Maybe both ;) xD
[11:54] <ubun> bt clients should be made in python imo
[11:54] <asgilder> I went through all that, and just lost Windows, too.
[11:54] <ashley_> it's not kitche whats it called?
[11:54] <max_> no
[11:54] <agent> DARKGuy: probably....
[11:55] <agent> ubun: try deluge
[11:55] <max_> asgilder: you didnt lose it
[11:55] <max_> asgilder: you have to make a menu entry
[11:55] <kitche> ashley_: well considering that BitTorrent owns utorrent now
[11:55] <asgilder> Ah.
[11:55] <max_> asgilder: hold for link
[11:55] <ashley_> really:O thats news to me kitche haha
[11:55] <max_> asgilder: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_Windows_entry_into_GRUB_menu
[11:55] <amonkey> i'm looking for some software that can take podcasts(rss feeds) and burn them on a audio cd-rw automagically. anyone heard of something like it?
[11:56] <agent> DARKGuy: you are on kde, right? ive never had a problem with the default bt client in gnome, except that it is not possible to download multiple files at the same time (but thats not a bug) - you can try deluge its developed by ubuntu enthusiasts... it has its own forum on ubuntuforums
[11:56] <ashley_> anyone try the torrent downloader in opera?
[11:56] <kitche> amonkey: I only know of a script but not a program
[11:56] <B_H> i have mc now :P
[11:57] <ubun> mc?
[11:57] <amonkey> kitche, any pointer is good
[11:57] <ubun> ashley_ i have, it's good
[11:57] <DARKGuy> agent: actually, I'm in Fluxbox installed in a Xubuntu distro :P, and I can't recall the name of the default bt client in gnome.. what was it?
[11:57] <ashley_> kewl brb
[11:57] <amaia_> i keep receiving this error in the logs: Dec  8 22:53:35 sun postfix/qmgr[21485] : warning: connect to transport smtp-amavis: Connection refused but i have no call to amavis in the postfix files (i already made a grep amavis * in the /etc/postfix dir). how is this possible?
[11:58] <agent> gilt: i tried and i have no idea how to find the version of v4l (without digging through kernel sources)
[11:58] <agent> DARKGuy:  gnome-btdownload
[11:59] <ValMarko> I just installed MpLayer but nothing happens when I try to watch tv on firefox
[11:59] <Kootaphor> Having given up on avahi-- how do people listen to music over a Wireless Lan in their house (specifically, on different floors?  I have samba shares (ie just mount and pretend its a local hard drive) , but there's sometimes skipping. How have folks solved this problem? Maybe with a program that knows how to buffer?
[11:59] <jrib> ValMarko: did you install the plugin for firefox?  What package did you install?
[12:00] <ValMarko> ummm... just mplayer. from synaptic
[12:00] <ashley_> ValMarko, autmatix install all the plugins for firefox
[12:00] <pozdiy> what are the libs for OpenGL support under Edgy?
[12:00] <kitche> Kootaphor: well for stuff to be buffered you need to install a server like icecast or shoutcast
[12:00] <jrib> ValMarko: install mozilla-mplayer
[12:00] <lubix> ! automatix
[12:00] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:00] <DavidRiep> hi everyone
[12:00] <ValMarko> thanks
[12:00] <DavidRiep> I was wondering if I could ask for some help? :)
[12:00] <lubix> automatix is a bad idea
[12:00] <kitche> !ask|DavidRiep
[12:00] <ubotu> DavidRiep: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:00] <Marsmensch> !pastebin
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[12:01] <ashley_> I used to use easy ubuntu but its not supported in edgy


[08:15]  * ochosi notest that even weeks after the release, there has been no single complaint about the removal of ibus...
[08:18]  * elfy compares that to the likely result of leaving it in - so that's a win :p
[08:19] <Unit193> Seems like it messes with chromium, from what I ehar.
[08:19] <elfy> then people can reinstall ibus if they need it - but chromium isn't anything I would worry about
[08:20] <Unit193> No, I mean that ibus messes with chromium if you have both, and ditto on the second bit. :P
[08:20] <ochosi> looking at errors.ubuntu.com, chromium is a bit messed up currently
[08:30] <ochosi> knome: how long until we can publish the article on locking? (just asking cause right now there's someone again in #x asking for answers that are given in it)
[08:43] <jhenke> hi folks
[08:46] <ochosi> hey jhenke
[08:46] <ochosi> btw, didn't you want some stuff to work on? :)
[08:49] <ochosi> there are still some 14.04 issues that need addressing
[09:10] <jhenke> sadly I already have too much other stuff to do right now, thats also why I have been here not so regulary the last week
[09:15] <jhenke> I try to be of some help later when I have some more room again
[09:23] <knome> ochosi, hrhr
[09:23] <knome> ochosi, don't expect anything from me now, i'm not xpl :P
[09:24] <knome> ochosi, i'll have to talk with pleia2, then do the changes (won't take much time as soon as i get to it) and then get them ready for the IS.
[09:25] <knome> ochosi, re: question on #xubuntu right now, can light-locker get "just" the wallpaper color if there is no wallpaper?
[09:27] <knome> ochosi, also, ping me when you get vback
[09:27] <knome> -v
[09:27] <knome> i'm around for probably an hour or so, then back late today
[09:51] <knome> ok, i'm off
[09:51] <knome> ochosi, ping me later anyway :)
[09:55] <ochosi> knome: ping
[09:55] <ochosi> jhenke: okeydokey, feel free to get in touch anytime
[10:03] <ochosi> knome: just read up on the question on #x, that's lightdm-gtk-greeter, not the locker. and it just takes what accountsservice gives you, which is always a wallpaper and never a color.
[10:03] <ochosi> and the fallback is the system default, which is the xubuntu wallpaper
[10:04] <ochosi> unless you change it in the config file to a color
[10:10] <ochosi> ali1234: quick question, you mentioned a fix/workaround for xfsettingd always miscalculating the monitor count by 1 (seems to be happening with nvidia propr drivers at least), do you still have that anywhere?
[10:24] <elfy> ibus is being installed in default xubuntu again
[10:24] <elfy> ibus is also being forced into an existing utopic install after an update/grade
[10:26] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140511/utopic-desktop-i386.manifest
[10:33] <ochosi> aha, dependency chain or what being the reason for that?
[10:34] <elfy> no idea - I've just stopped spitting feathers :(
[10:34] <elfy> no real idea even how to know tbh
[10:35] <elfy> I don't see why dependency though - I purged it and it just removed itself
[10:40] <ochosi> yeah, but it can still be recommended by something we install
[10:40] <ochosi> and hence get pulled but be removeable
[10:40] <ochosi> Unit193: care to take a look why that ^ happens?
[10:40] <elfy> I thought we dealt with that
[10:42] <ochosi> it can always happen that recommends of packages change and then pull in unexpected stuff
[10:43] <elfy> yea
[10:43] <elfy> probably what happened the first time around
[10:43] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/rLzAr2ZV
[10:43] <ochosi> yup, can't hurt to investigate soon enough
[10:44] <elfy> that's the log with the offending (and it does offend me ;) ) install of it
[10:44] <elfy> wouldn't be so much of a pita if the thing actually worked with keyboard layouts :)
[10:44] <ochosi> wait, gnome-settings-daemon? :(
[10:51] <elfy> well that certainly recommends ibus
[10:51] <ochosi> yeah, and it's certainly something we don't want
[10:52] <ochosi> so i guess we gotta follow the breadcrumbs from there onwards
[10:53] <elfy> I don't know where to look - I know there is somewhere - but didn't keep a link to it :p
[10:58] <elfy> ochosi: do you want me to do a bug for this so we can keep tabs on it
[10:59] <ochosi> yeah, we should probably set up a utopic-xubuntu-bugs blueprint and then link that bugreport there too
[10:59] <ochosi> would be great if you could do that
[10:59] <ochosi> currently trying to look into our suspend/lid-close/lock bug again...
[10:59] <elfy> funnily you should mention the blueprint - I did one :p
[11:00] <elfy> ochosi: what to report it against though - not sure - I assume not ibus, but one of our's
[11:00] <ochosi> yeah, good question...
[11:03] <ochosi> elfy: for the time being, xubuntu-meta i guess
[11:04] <elfy> ok - I'll do that - we can deal with it later, but at least it will be on the list
[11:07] <ochosi> exactly, thanks
[11:07] <elfy> ochosi: ok - all done
[11:07] <elfy> bug 1318319
[11:08] <ochosi> and that blueprint also exists already you said?
[11:13] <elfy> I guess you should know now :p
[11:14] <elfy> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-bugs and  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-u-qa
[11:19] <elfy> I thought it would help whoever ended up being xpl not having to do all the blueprints :p
[11:24] <ochosi> thanks :)
[11:24] <ochosi> yes, it does
[11:25] <ochosi> we should list them all on some wiki page so ppl can find them more easily
[11:25] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap something perhaps
[11:26] <elfy> in the utopic header - link the main blueprint when we have it - the others will link from that?
[11:43] <bluesabre> morning everyone
[11:43] <elfy> morning bluesabre
[11:43] <bluesabre> hows it going?
[11:44] <elfy> going well thanks :)
[11:47] <lderan> elfy, ping
[11:48] <elfy> bluesabre: http://pastebin.com/P7WDAzNd - was looking at things to playt music with - noticed that parole was almost constantly wanting ~15% CPU
[11:48] <elfy> lderan: pong
[11:49] <elfy> lderan: so currently on the qa blueprint I've got 'Target specific apps for autopilot during this cycle'
[11:49] <lderan> okay
[11:50] <elfy> what would be good I think is for us to actually go for gtk3 apps - they appear to be more likely to get somewhere - is that right?
[11:50] <lderan> yeah
[11:50] <lderan> theres not much we can do with the others
[11:51] <elfy> ok
[11:51] <elfy> so if the list is right - there are 6 gtk3 apps without a test - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Autopilot
[11:52] <elfy> as it appears that however often we ask if anyone is interested the answer is tumbleweed ...
[11:52] <elfy> are you going to have time to get any of those done?
[11:53] <elfy> because no-one's coming forward to join in
[11:53] <elfy> I'd help if I could
[11:53] <bluesabre> elfy, I can confirm that the cpu usage does seem high
[11:53] <lderan> i will do them next week, i have gotten my afternoons back from work for the next 2 weeks \o/
[11:53] <bluesabre> want to report a bug to the bugzilla?
[11:53] <lderan> then im on holiday for a week after that
[11:54] <elfy> lderan: there's no rush - I'd rather know that we can get 1 done definitely - if you see where I'm going
[11:54] <lderan> yeah i do, i would like to get them done while i know i have the time to do them :)
[11:55] <elfy> lderan: change that blueprint line to reflect that you're doing it - maybe add a line for which you intend to do
[11:55] <elfy> please :)
[11:55] <lderan> sure thing :)
[11:55] <elfy> awesome
[11:55]  * elfy aims to get QA blueprint all DONE by end of May :p
[11:56] <lderan> \o/
[11:56] <elfy> bluesabre: ok
[11:56] <bluesabre> thanks
[11:57] <bluesabre> we'll tackle the resource usage this cycle since we're pretty happy with the rest of the app
[11:57] <elfy> bluesabre: do we need a LP one as well - we can track it on blueprint then ?
[11:57] <bluesabre> sure, and then we can link the lp one to the xfce one
[11:57] <elfy> yep - I'll go do that then
[11:58] <bluesabre> excellent, thanks elfy
[11:58] <elfy> lderan: ok - so anything else that you can think of we need to worry about blueprint wise?
[11:59] <lderan> can't think of anything but will let you know if i do
[11:59] <elfy> and please keep trello current - easier to put detail there imo
[12:00] <elfy> ok - thanks - I'll leave you to have a good day then :)
[12:00] <lderan> will do
[12:00] <lderan> thanks :)
[12:08] <elfy> bluesabre: bug 1318326
[12:08] <bluesabre> thanks elfy :)
[12:08] <elfy> and it's on the u bug blueprint as well
[12:09] <elfy> 2 bugs today \o/
[12:09] <bluesabre> I'm wrapping up the main menulibre bugs and preparing for a new release today (that should hit T and U)
[12:09] <bluesabre> wewp
[12:09] <elfy> woohoo
[12:12] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[12:12] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[12:13] <ochosi> btw, i looked into xdg-screensaver a bit today
[12:13] <ochosi> it's very odd, it *should* actually work and inhibit the screensaver even with the X11 extension
[12:13] <ochosi> you can look into /usr/bin/xdg-screensaver
[12:13] <bluesabre> I find a lot of *shoulds* when working with xdg-*
[12:14] <ochosi> it's a fairly simplistic script that checks for what screensavers are installed
[12:14] <ochosi> a bit like xflock in fact
[12:18] <bluesabre> hm
[12:19] <ochosi> lots of ifs and stuff
[12:19]  * elfy sits down to watch people running in circles
[12:19] <elfy> wish I could help ;)
[12:19] <bluesabre> seems like you might want to start by expanding detectDE
[12:19] <ochosi> elfy: you already did the blueprint, that's great stuff tbh
[12:20] <ochosi> elfy: you can also set up the other bps and email the team leads about filling them ;)
[12:21] <bluesabre> yeah, seems like we just need to add light-locker support in there
[12:21] <elfy> ochosi: I can if you want - sitting here thinking about making the rest of the day as lazy as the morning was :)
[12:21] <ochosi> yup, but honestly as it doesn't detect it, it *should* do the right thing (i.e. modify the xset props)
[12:21] <bluesabre> towards the bottom:
[12:21] <bluesabre> detectDE
[12:21] <bluesabre> # Consider "xscreensaver" a separate DE
[12:21] <bluesabre> xscreensaver-command -version 2> /dev/null | grep XScreenSaver > /dev/null && DE="xscreensaver"
[12:21] <bluesabre> # Consider "gnome-screensaver" a separate DE
[12:21] <ochosi> elfy: hehe, thanks, that'd be great!
[12:21] <bluesabre> gnome-screensaver-command -q > /dev/null 2>&1 && DE="gnome_screensaver"
[12:21] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:22] <bluesabre> but there seems to be a difference between controlling just the xscreensaver
[12:23] <bluesabre> I'd add some output to the if/else chain and figure out where its landing
[12:26] <elfy> bluesabre: obviously a reason for it - but cpu usage in parole when watching a video is nowhere near the usage with audio - added it to the bug report
[12:26] <bluesabre> cool, that will help figure out whats going in
[12:27] <bluesabre> and thinking about it now, I think I might know where all the cpu cycles come from
[12:27] <elfy> mmm - added it to both bugzilla and LP - but doesn't LP grab comments from the outside source? probably a waste of time lol
[12:27] <ochosi> thanks bluesabre
[12:29] <bluesabre> yeah, LP will automatically display external comments after a while
[12:29] <ochosi> i mean adding a special case for light-locker should also work...
[12:29] <ochosi> and i hope this would not only fix parole, but all other players too
[12:29] <bluesabre> yeah, hopefully :)
[12:30] <ochosi> well i don't think xscreensaver does anything else about it, tbh
[12:30] <ochosi> btw, reviewed and merged that greeter MR today
[12:31] <bluesabre> it does a bit... screensaver_xscreensaver()
[12:31] <bluesabre> thanks for that ochosi
[12:31] <ochosi> yeah, i meant: xscreensaver itself doesn't do anything in terms of listening to player-signals itself
[12:31] <ochosi> whoops, that was a bit too much itself )
[12:31] <ochosi> :)
[12:32] <ochosi> so i guess other players also at least try xdg-screensaver
[12:32] <elfy> in itself that's not too much too worry about :p
[12:32] <ochosi> hehe, thanks elfy :)
[12:33] <bluesabre> :)
[12:36] <elfy> ochosi: so - I need to put someone in the Approver box for these things - that is you ;)
[12:36] <ochosi> what approver box?
[12:36] <elfy> in the blueprint
[12:36] <elfy> it was knome - but he's escaped now ;)
[12:37] <elfy> at the moment it's not really any issue as they're not approved/registered by -release
[12:38] <elfy> or I can put my name in and then when you approve them you can change it - maybe that way would be better, so you know what you have approved
[12:38] <ochosi> sounds good to me!
[12:38] <elfy> ok
[12:46] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, how are you debugging that at the moment?
[12:46] <bluesabre> debugging...?
[12:46] <elfy> ochosi: do you want me to do roadmap and new features blueprint as well ?
[12:46] <bluesabre> throwing lots of code at menulibre
[12:46] <bluesabre> seeing what sticks
[12:46] <bluesabre> like spaghetti noodles
[12:46] <ochosi> oh, i thought you were looking at xdg-screensaver :)
[12:47] <bluesabre> oh, I just glanced at it
[12:47] <bluesabre> :)
[12:47] <bluesabre> you're the light-locker dev ;)
[12:47] <ochosi> elfy: yup, please
[12:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: awwwwh :) this isn't light-locker related though
[12:47] <ochosi> the same should happen to anyone who doesn't use xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver
[12:47] <bluesabre> it kind of is ;)
[12:48] <ochosi> i'm currently looking into the lid-close problem
[12:48] <bluesabre> how does unity handle it?
[12:48] <ochosi> lid-close?
[12:48] <bluesabre> not locking
[12:49] <ochosi> not locking?
[12:49] <ochosi> sorry, you lost me there
[12:49] <bluesabre> when playing a bideo
[12:49] <bluesabre> *video
[12:49] <ochosi> my guess is this:
[12:49] <bluesabre> not activating the screensaver that is
[12:49] <ochosi> players handle it by calling xdg-screensaver
[12:49] <ochosi> but i dunno
[12:50] <ochosi> currently #u-desktop is dead so i can't ask there
[12:50] <bluesabre> since they no longer use gnome-screensaver, I'd be interesting in looking at the unity-locker code
[12:50] <ochosi> maybe they also handle it by gnome/unity-settings-daemon
[12:50] <bluesabre> ah
[12:50] <bluesabre> true
[12:50] <bluesabre> cheaters
[12:50] <ochosi> as they do with most of their stuff
[12:50] <ochosi> it could be useful being able to "plug in" stuff into xfsettingsd
[12:51] <ochosi> anyway, that's a different story
[12:52] <ochosi> lemme know when you have time, then we can also look into the xdg-screensaver thing together
[12:52] <ochosi> i'll look at xfpm meanwhile
[12:54] <bluesabre> ok
[12:55] <bluesabre> hopefully I'll actually be around today
[12:55] <bluesabre> didn't get home til 3am last night, so my wife should be asleep until noon
[12:55] <bluesabre> :)
[12:57] <ochosi> huhu
[12:57] <ochosi> so no photo-shoot today i suppose :)
[13:12] <elfy> ochosi: you has mail
[13:12] <ochosi> yup, already acted on one of them
[13:12] <elfy> they are all built now
[13:12] <ochosi> thans
[13:12] <ochosi> ks
[13:12] <elfy> I meant from me :D
[13:13] <ochosi> oh :)
[13:13] <ochosi> hehe
[13:13] <ochosi> haven't received that one yet then
[13:13] <elfy> I really don't know what mail you have :p
[13:13] <elfy> I just sent it :)
[13:13] <ochosi> good good
[13:15] <elfy> no idea what to do with them afterwards - I know that -release do something eventually :)
[13:15] <elfy> and I would guess that the roadmap one has all the others as dependencies
[13:16] <ochosi> will talk to knome about it
[13:17] <elfy> yea
[13:17] <ochosi> luckily the next release will not bring so many drastic changes and not such a high amount of workitems as the last
[13:17] <elfy> indeed
[13:32] <ochosi> elfy: linked up the blueprints to the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-u-flavor-xubuntu now
[13:33] <elfy> thanks :)
[13:33] <ochosi> well, thank you ;)
[13:34] <elfy> they just need fleshing out now then :)
[13:34] <ochosi> indeed
[13:34] <elfy> except the bugs one - we don't want that one to be fleshed out :D
[13:35] <ochosi> huhu
[13:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: still around?
[13:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: yup
[13:59] <ochosi> sooo
[13:59] <ochosi> it looks like we have a real promising fix for the lid-close problem
[13:59] <ochosi> but i guess lls will need another update for that as well
[14:00] <ochosi> cause light-locker needs to handle lock-on-suspend again
[14:00] <bluesabre> yay!
[14:01] <ochosi> but now that might create another headache
[14:01] <ochosi> cause light-locker then somehow needs to "secretly" tell xfpm *not* to lock on suspend
[14:03] <bluesabre> yay
[14:03] <ochosi> :>
[14:03] <bluesabre> (without the !)
[14:04] <ochosi> actually eric just said that it worked for him
[14:04] <ochosi> so maybe it'll just be fine
[14:04] <ochosi> we need to just tell light-locker-settings to always add the "--lock-on-suspend" again when that option is set in lls
[14:04] <ochosi> that should suffice
[14:04]  * ochosi knocks on wood
[14:05] <elfy> ow :(
[14:05] <elfy> that's my head
[14:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: could i ask you to do a PPA upload of the fixed version? (will land in github)
[14:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: sure thing
[14:05] <ochosi> and ideally a light-locker-settings version with that tiny change included
[14:05] <ochosi> then we can really ask ppl to test it
[14:06] <bluesabre> commit that change to trunk :)
[14:06] <bluesabre> or I'll do it shortly
[14:06] <bluesabre> almost finished fixing menulibre
[14:06] <ochosi> yay!
[14:06] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, it's all a bit confusing and complicated, hopefully we can clean this up in the next releases
[14:07] <elfy> yep
[14:07] <elfy> but I was referring to you knocking on wood :p
[14:07] <ochosi> haha, ok
[14:07] <ochosi> didn't get that at first
[14:07]  * elfy thinks that this new team PPA thing will be really useful
[14:08] <ochosi> yup
[14:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, here goes the xfpm thingy we need: https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/commit/21b8e5abf4e5f93c28cb964b4618b9b509780951
[14:09] <bluesabre> did we ever finalize the team ppa idea?
[14:09] <ochosi> we planned to talk about it in a meeting
[14:09] <ochosi> but the discussion was heading the way of using the xubuntu-dev PPA
[14:09] <elfy> go carried over from last weeks meeting
[14:10] <ochosi> so packages would need approval from someone in xubuntu-dev
[14:10] <elfy> I thought we were looking at having 2 ?
[14:10] <ochosi> maybe, yeah
[14:10] <bluesabre> ok, I'll create the package in my own ppa for now until thats cleared up
[14:10] <elfy> one for testing things with
[14:10] <ochosi> one for bugfix, one for new apps
[14:10] <ochosi> that was the main idea
[14:10] <elfy> yea
[14:10] <elfy> that makes sense to me
[14:13] <ochosi> we could also do PPAs controlled by x-dev that carry the release number they're for in the name
[14:13] <ochosi> so ppl don't get confused easily
[14:13] <ochosi> e.g. xubuntu-staging-14-10
[14:16] <elfy> yep
[14:16] <ochosi> xubuntu-extras-14-10
[14:16] <ochosi> or something like that
[14:16] <ochosi> Unit193: thoughts ^ ?
[14:31] <bluesabre> >.<
[14:32] <bluesabre> wine apps make everything more difficult
[14:32] <bluesabre> their desktop files are installed with spaces
[14:32] <bluesabre> it seems xdg-menu-install doesn't properly parse spaces
[14:33] <ochosi> meh
[14:33] <bluesabre> er, xdg-desktop-menu install
[14:33] <ochosi> stupid xdg stuff
[14:33] <bluesabre> xdg-desktop-menu uninstall doesn't work at all, just freezes
[14:33] <bluesabre> need to report these bugs
[14:34] <bluesabre> and work around them in menulibre
[14:35] <ochosi> brainwash: wanna test a fix for the lock-suspend problem?
[14:36] <brainwash> ochosi: I cannot test it cause I'm not affected by the problem :/
[14:37] <bluesabre> bbiab
[14:37] <brainwash> well, I can test it, but I cannot confirm if it fixes the problem :)
[14:37] <ochosi> brainwash: you mean lid close +lock+suspend works fine for you? with the default 14.04 setup?
[14:38] <brainwash> still 13.10 here
[14:39] <brainwash> elfy will gladly test it
[14:40] <brainwash> in case the lid is still functional from all the previous testing :)
[14:40]  * elfy probably isn't sure what state the thing is in ...
[14:49] <brainwash> I will have to upgrade my test system to utopic, roughly 7500 packages
[14:49] <brainwash> this will take a while
[14:49] <brainwash> slow connection + very very slow hdd
[14:50] <brainwash> elfy: does parole also eat your cpu resources in 14.04?
[14:53] <OvenWerk1> brainwash: parole is using 7% on 14.04 with all my cpus sitting at 800Mhz (ondemand)
[14:54] <brainwash> appears to be quite high
[14:54] <brainwash> sound only, right?
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> Audio going the long way through pulse then jack.
[14:55] <brainwash> but those are separate processes
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> parole on its own is 4.3%
[14:56] <brainwash> ah
[14:56] <brainwash> that's a different story then
[14:56] <elfy> brainwash: no idea of the top of my head - I don't use it generally and I've not booted 14.04 to use for a while now
[14:57] <brainwash> elfy: ok, maybe we'll get more information later on
[14:57] <elfy> I only noticed it this morning
[14:58] <brainwash> I see
[14:58] <brainwash> and you've already assigned it to the 14.10 bugs blueprint
[15:00] <elfy> yes
[15:01] <elfy> why?
[15:04] <bluesabre> the resource usage is probably a draw function that's being rapidly fired
[15:05] <bluesabre> since its only with the audio portion
[15:07] <bluesabre> and we have custom drawing going on
[15:08] <bluesabre> that's what the issue was with the greeter earlier
[15:10] <elfy> ochosi: this laptop is now in a position where it is broken with suspend and lid-close again
[15:46] <ochosi> elfy: okeyokey, depending on how long it takes bluesabre to set the PPA up, we'll have something to test for you :)
[15:50] <elfy> ok noss
[15:50] <elfy> boss even
[15:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: maybe we can do this part of parole with gtkoverlay now?
[16:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: which part? we are using gtkoverlay
[16:09] <bluesabre> going to grab lunch, will take care of the ppa when I get back
[16:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: i meant the audio-info box, iirc that wasn't gtkoverlay
[16:46] <ochosi> bbl
[16:46] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, the normal X11 screensaver code in xdg-screensaver seems to be duplicated. no idea why. maybe that's why it doesn't work..
[19:47] <knome> ochosi, you around?


[05:48] <axw> jam: alexis says she's looking for someone to open the room, so will (may?) be late
[05:48] <jam> axw: thanks, I was looking around for someone to find out what was up
[05:48] <jam> late from now, so clearly will be late :)
[05:53] <axw> jam: I'm done drafting the resources spec (apart from addressing comments and so on). Will be meeting with Mark later today. If you have any time this morning, would be great to get your feedback
[05:53] <axw> no worries if you're busy
[05:53] <jam> axw: is that Draft or Draft deprecated or… which one ?
[05:55] <axw> jam: this one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-MCcHFQJ1lNc0vdkqcaPk6MYxiSKactYcmb-cC7oUPU/edit?disco=AAAAAJHXNzg
[06:30] <jw4> tasdomas: I must have had some weird env issue yesterday... the upgrade worked fine for me today...
[06:31] <tasdomas> jw4, that's good to hear
[06:50] <wallyworld> jam: ping
[06:51] <jam> wallyworld: pong
[06:51] <Makyo> thumper, https://gist.github.com/makyo/d74cce8ed85eba05b4cb Here's some dumps from juju-bundlelib in a few different formats.  LMK if they're what you're looking for, but now that I've found out how to dump in any format, it's easy to get whatever eg https://github.com/makyo/juju-bundlelib/blob/dsl-bundleformat/dump-plaintext.py
[06:51] <thumper> Makyo: thanks
[06:52] <wallyworld> jam: hey, i've added a thought bubble to the api errors doc as to how this work might be surfaced to the user, could you take a look? i've had little time to do it and have to rush off to a 1.23 meeting but can check back a little later
[06:53] <jam> k
[06:53] <wallyworld> ty
[06:53] <wallyworld> will check back when i can
[07:55] <perrito666> Hey I saw a couple of sticker pads around yesterday, anyone has a spare one for the meta button? I would like to make it more accurate since I dont windows :p
[08:01] <DaveJ__> Hi Guys, I was wondering if there was any update on CentOS support for JuJu ?
[08:01] <dimitern> jam, me and voidspace are here in the room
[08:01] <jam> dimitern: k
[08:01] <lazyPower> o/ core, has anyone tried dhx on 1.23-beta4?
[08:02] <lazyPower> i'm getting a weird coredump issue coming from subprocess
[08:02] <perrito666> DaveJ__: there is a proposed patch right now, actually
[08:02] <dimitern> jam, so i've updated the slide for 1.25 to mention accepting positive and negative spaces, as well as subnet tags in constraints
[08:02] <lazyPower> This appears to be introduced only in beta4, i can confirm this works on beta3, and 1.22 as expected.
[08:03] <DaveJ__> perrito666: Thanks - how close to being ready is it ?
[08:03] <DaveJ__> perrito666: Is it something I could take an try out ?
[08:04] <perrito666> DaveJ__: can you repeat the question to aznashwan
[08:04] <perrito666> ?
[08:06] <DaveJ__> perrito666: Sure
[08:06] <DaveJ__> aznashwan:  Hi aznashwan, do you have details of the patch to support CentOS based charms on JuJu ?
[08:06] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1444861
[08:06] <mup> Bug #1444861: Juju 1.23-beta4 introduces ssh key bug when used w/ DHX <dhx> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444861>
[08:07] <aznashwan> DaveJ__: currently, we are finalizing the review process and (I sincerely hope), we will get it merged into the current tip of master
[08:08] <DaveJ__> aznashwan: Thanks.  I'd be keen to try it out as soon as I can get my hands on it
[08:08] <aznashwan> DaveJ__: we've done the support for bootstrapping and charm deployment on CentOS (we don't actually have a CentOS charm yet, we just use trusty's mysql one for testing)
[08:09] <aznashwan> DaveJ__: the hooks run, so once an actual CentOS charm is written I see no reason why it should not work
[08:16] <DaveJ__> aznashwan:  That sounds promising.    Will it be possible to deploy the patch to an existing environment?  I'm just wondering if I can go ahead and start some prep, so I can try this out as soon as it;'s ready
[08:25] <Makyo> thumper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10825990/
[08:26] <thumper> Makyo: thanks again
[08:28] <mgz> gsamfira: I also deleted a whole bunch of tmpfiles and did this: <http://paste.ubuntu.com/10831779/>
[08:30] <mup> Bug #1444861 was opened: Juju 1.23-beta4 introduces ssh key bug when used w/ DHX <dhx> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444861>
[08:57] <perrito666> gsamfira: Is it possible that, besides fixing charm to close the charm before deleting it you forgot to update dependencies.tsv_
[08:57] <perrito666> ?
[09:25] <gsamfira> perrito666: I will be proposing a new branch that fixes tests again and updates dependencies.tsv in one go
[09:27] <mattyw> cherylj, ping?
[09:28] <cherylj> mattyw: what up?
[10:06] <mup> Bug #1444912 was opened: /var/lib/juju gone after 1.18->1.20 upgrade and manual edit of agent.conf <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444912>
[10:09] <mup> Bug #1444912 changed: /var/lib/juju gone after 1.18->1.20 upgrade and manual edit of agent.conf <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444912>
[10:18] <mup> Bug #1444912 was opened: /var/lib/juju gone after 1.18->1.20 upgrade and manual edit of agent.conf <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444912>
[10:36] <mup> Bug #1333682 was opened: upgrading 1.18 to 1.19 breaks agent.conf <panic> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Confirmed for wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333682>
[12:45] <mup> Bug #1333682 changed: upgrading 1.18 to 1.19 breaks agent.conf <panic> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333682>
[14:52] <mup> Bug #1445053 was opened: Failed to bootstrap local provider after interrupting <local-provider> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445053>
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1445063 was opened: addressable containers cannot resolve non-FQDN in maas <addressability> <kvm> <lxc> <maas-provider> <network> <oil> <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445063>
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1445066 was opened: 'juju action do' should have a --wait option <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445066>
[15:25] <jw4> thumper: leave me alone!
[15:32] <thumper> jw4: simple, stop getting alerts on action
[15:32] <thumper> any action line?
[15:33] <thumper> how's this action?
[15:34] <jw4> thumper: :-p
[15:36] <thumper> jw4: another action bug coming for you...
[15:36]  * thumper waits action
[15:36] <jw4> thumper: yay
[15:36] <jw4> thumper: I love bugs
[15:36] <jw4> thumper: thanks for caring
[15:36] <jw4> thumper: please keep them coming
[15:36] <thumper> jw4: in that case, I have about 900 open juju bugs for you
[15:37] <jw4> thumper: you need to look harder
[15:39] <dimitern> a quick review for bug 1445063 anyone? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2090
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1445063: addressable containers cannot resolve non-FQDN in maas <addressability> <kvm> <lxc> <maas-provider> <network> <oil> <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445063>
[15:39] <dimitern> that is - fix for that bug
[15:41] <dimitern> voidspace, ^^
[15:42] <thumper> dimitern: done
[15:42] <thumper> dimitern: rb didn't pick it up
[15:42] <thumper> dimitern: so did it on github
[15:43] <dimitern> thumper, sweet thanks!
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1445078 was opened: 'juju action fetch' should allow output of a single result <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445078>
[16:16] <mup> Bug #1445093 was opened: local provider breaks when scaling up units <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445093>
[18:04] <mup> Bug #1445146 was opened: juju run fails after upgrade to 1.23-beta4.1 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445146>
[18:10] <mup> Bug #1445146 changed: juju run fails after upgrade to 1.23-beta4.1 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445146>
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1445146 was opened: juju run fails after upgrade to 1.23-beta4.1 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445146>
[19:34] <mup> Bug #1445174 was opened: bootstrap suprious log: WARNING no architecture was specified, acquiring an arbitrary node <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445174>
[19:58] <mup> Bug #1445186 was opened: 1.23, search domain missing from lxc resolv.conf <cloud-installer> <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445186>
[21:38] <mup> Bug #1445186 changed: 1.23, search domain missing from lxc resolv.conf <cloud-installer> <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445186>


[21:19] <mthx> tonyyarusso: Ahh, I see. I haven't actually worked with Drupal at all, but if you need some help with it I can do some quick study and help where possible.


[00:48] <PCLine_> Evening everyone.
[00:55] <skellat> I forgot to update the channel topic :-\
[00:57] <PCLine_> Thats how much I dont read the Topic!
[00:58] <skellat> The election yesterday went well and I even got my analytical report done before going to bed.  Even posted it here: https://identi.ca/alpacaherder/note/IjI5LPZfQcCZCo2CBEL6oQ
[00:58] <jenni> [ Why I was sorry worried about absentee votes and other funny stuff elections-wise... - Identi.ca ] - https://j.mp/1s6LsJm
[01:01] <skellat> PCLine_, how was your day today?
[01:02] <PCLine_> It was great until I started to come home and its already pitch dark out side.  How about you?
[01:03] <skellat> Tried to diagnose a Win7 box and realized why I don't like using Windows anymore
[01:04] <PCLine_> It could be worse....You could be troubleshooting Win8!
[01:05] <skellat> True
[01:07] <PCLine_> Every time I work on this computer I Dislike Win8 more and more!  And everyday I say it can not get any worse And everyday I find it does.
[01:07] <PCLine_> Whats wrong with your Win7 system?
[01:11] <skellat> It wasn't mine, praise be
[01:11] <skellat> User Profile Loader died
[01:12] <skellat> The machine had spent two weeks in Hibernate and didn't come back in a coherent fashion
[01:12] <skellat> Since the owner had one user account and it had all the admin permissions...no access...
[01:14] <skellat> The machine booted my Xubuntu 14.04 LiveCD
[01:14] <skellat> And the NTFS drive was something it would NOT touch
[01:18] <PCLine_> that is funny.  MS removed Recovery Console from windows so you have to fix it with Linux!
[01:30] <Unit193> NTFS support still isn't the best, it's been marked dirty and next Windows boot it'll chkntfs it.
[01:33] <PCLine_> I have a program that will activate the Admin Users and change the password on it.
[01:34] <PCLine_> Another nice feature of Windows....I have been up and running for an hour I need to reboot!
[01:36] <Unit193> kon-boot will fix that password problem. :P
[01:43] <Unit193> [20:36:34] < Unit193> kon-boot will fix that password problem. :P
[01:45] <Unit193> Dowh, he quit again.


[11:52] <jrib> hmm listen to LjL or go to gym...
[11:55] <LjL> i doubt i'm going to say anything much that you don't know jrib...
[11:59] <jrib> LjL: k, i'll read scrollback later then.  Have fun!
[12:01] <tomtiger11> Is it time?... :)
[12:02] <tomtiger11> nm
[12:06] <LjL> tomtiger11: in an hour i believe
[12:17] <tomtiger11> LjL: yea, I remembered the UK is in BST ;)
[13:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/02/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[13:02] <LjL> Hello. In this session I'll give an introduction to the bots I'm familiar with, and the channels they use.
[13:03] <LjL> The three bots I'll cover are the FloodBots, MetaBot and BestBot.
[13:03] <LjL> FloodBots
[13:03] <LjL> ---------
[13:03] <LjL> First (and most involved), the FloodBots. They're multiple bots running the same code that you'll find in #ubuntu and #kubuntu, that serve multiple purposes; most importantly, like they name implies, they flood. No, I mean, they try to *prevent* floods and spam.
[13:03] <LjL> There are two things you probably have already noticed the FloodBots doing: setting a channel mode "+j" and "-q", and muting/unmuting people who post too many messages in a row.
[13:04] <LjL> The bots can be in one of two modes: "hooked", or normal mode, and "unhooked", or emergency mode. Of course these are just names I made up. When the bots are hooked, it means they think everything is alright with the freenode network and themselves, so they'll set "+j", mute flooders, and do other things.
[13:04] <LjL> If the bots think something is wrong, they'll "unhook", set "-j" and stop their normal operation. For you, that means basically the automatic handling of flood will not happen.
[13:04] <LjL> But what is "+j"? It's a channel mode that avoids situations where many people join the channel all at once. Why is that a problem? Because spambots are known to do that: they make very many clones join, and spam.
[13:05] <LjL> Where do people (or bots) who are stopped from joining end up? They end up in #ubuntu-unregged, the "overflow" channel. You can join it now if you want. The FloodBots will ask people who land there a very simple question (or give them a "captcha"), and if they reply correctly, they will be able to join #ubuntu or #kubuntu.
[13:06] <LjL> I'll stop for a moment to let you join #ubuntu-unregged if you want to peek in, and ask any questions if you have them (I believe you're supposed to use #ubuntu-classroom-chat to ask questions).
[13:07] <LjL> [15:07:11] <AlanBell> QUESTION: so people just need to be registered with nickserv to not end up in -unregged?
[13:08] <LjL> In general, people *don't* need to be registered to join #ubuntu. But if there's a "mass join", or (as I'll mention later) the channel is set "+r", then yes, they'll need to be registered with NickServ...
[13:08] <LjL> ... *or*, they can just answer the "captcha" question the FloodBots pose them.
[13:09] <LjL> In fact, #ubuntu-unregged also has another purpose, which is where its name come from: when the main channel is set +r (meaning that only registered users can join it), unregistered joiners end up in #ubuntu-unregged - and again, they get asked a question by the bots, so they can eventually join even if they choose not to register.
[13:10] <LjL> [15:10:03] <tomtiger11> QUESTION: What sort of system is in place to stop people spamming ubottu?
[13:11] <LjL> ubottu is a bit outside the scope of what I'm particularly familiar with (as in: I didn't write it), but as far as I know, ubottu ignores repeated requests. It can also be set to ignore certain users. I don't think there is very much beyond that.
[13:12] <LjL> Ok, I'll proceed with the FloodBots stuff...
[13:12] <LjL> When is the main channel set +r? During spambot attacks. This can happen automatically: the FloodBots try to detect when an attack is in progress, and they'll set "+r" for a little while.
[13:13] <LjL> Or an operator can do it manually: even then, I recommend telling the FloodBots to do it for you, and later I'll explain how you can do that.
[13:13] <LjL> As I said, the other thing you'll often see the FloodBots do is mute people who "flood". This may seem relatively trivial, but I want to answer some questions about it that I think might come natural:
[13:13] <LjL> * How do the bots know when the user is finished flooding? When they mute them, they also set channel mode "+z". That will let opped users (such as the FloodBots themselves) see what the muted user is saying. When the bots see silence from them, they'll remove the mute. This way, a user only stays muted for the necessary time.
[13:14] <LjL> * How many lines is considered "flooding"? I can't give this a definite answer, because the bots use various methods to determine that. Anyway, the bots warn users after a few lines, *before* the mute takes place, so if they're flooding, they have a chance of stopping.
[13:14] <LjL> * How do users know they've been muted? First, the bot warns them in the channel to stop flooding; then after the mute takes place, they warn them in private; when the mute is removed, they tell them in private that they can speak again.
[13:15] <LjL> Any questions about the muting? It's handled transparently, but it's possibly the main or most visible feature of the bots, so maybe there are more doubts about it.
[13:16] <LjL> Meanwhile, how can you interact with the floodbots? The general idea is that you shouldn't have to, and they'll work transparently, but there are always exceptions.
[13:16] <LjL> The channel to control them is #ubuntu-ops-monitor - it's a private channel, and you'll need an invite to join. If you are an operator in #ubuntu and you aren't there yet, feel free to ask me for an invite now or later.
[13:17] <LjL> The commands you can use in #ubuntu-ops-monitor are described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Floodbots - I just want to mention "protect", which sets "+r" for a while. You can use it if #ubuntu is being attacked by spammers, as I mentioned earlier.
[13:17] <LjL> The way to use it is to type, for example, "protect 15", which will set "+r" for 15 minutes. If you want to remove the "+r" before time, use "protect 0".
[13:18] <LjL> Another channel the FloodBots use is #ubuntu-read-topic, but that's honestly not very important :)
[13:19] <LjL> Another "exception" I'd like to mention concerns users who connect from the freenode webchat. Without going into the details too much, these users are "filtered" by the FloodBots, so that they can be banned like other users if needed, which wouldn't happen otherwise.
[13:19] <LjL> What does this mean for you? Simply put, if you "remove" (kick) a webchat user, they will automatically be banned by the FloodBots. If a ban wasn't really warranted. you will need to remove it yourself.
[13:20] <LjL> I'm done with the FloodBots (finally). Any questions about them, if not I'll proceed with a couple other much less "troublesome" bots to talk about.
[13:21] <LjL> [15:20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> QUESTION: Can you explain a little bit more about their functions in #u-unregged?
[13:21] <LjL> They mainly do two annoying things in #ubuntu-unregged:
[13:22] <LjL> They keep saying "Please register to join #ubuntu, because you've landed in the channel for unregistered users" or something like that (when +r is set, or for ~10 minutes after it was set)
[13:22] <LjL> And they ask individual users simple "captcha"-style questions like "what is 2+2?"
[13:22] <LjL> If the users answer these questions correctly, they get /INVITEd into #ubuntu.
[13:22] <LjL> Does this answer it?
[13:23] <LjL> I'll proceed with the other two bots I wanted to mention.
[13:23] <LjL> MetaBot
[13:23] <LjL> -------
[13:23] <LjL> MetaBot sits in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1 etc and monitors questions and answers. It uses mainly a Bayesian filter to attempt to determine what is a support question, and what is not.
[13:24] <LjL> Its purpose is to identify support questions that go unanswered. If you want to help answer them, join #ubuntu-meta and watch for them.
[13:24] <LjL> If you join #ubuntu-meta right now, chances are you'll see questions "piped" there within a couple of minutes.
[13:24] <LjL> In the topic of #ubuntu-meta you will find how to have MetaBot alert you of questions that concern specific topics. Just remember that MetaBot does what it can, but it's just a machine, and it's bound to mix up topics (or even think something is a question when it's not).
[13:25] <LjL> Do you want to help make it recognize questions better? Then join #metabot and help "train" the bot. This is recommended only if you're very bored!
[13:26] <LjL> ... and I'm done with MetaBot (told you it wasn't as involved as the FloodBots). But it's still a bit more complicated than this, so if you're curious, ask away.
[13:27] <LjL> [15:27:10] <tomtiger11> QUESTION: How is metabot trained? How is the training used by the bot?
[13:27] <LjL> If you join #metabot, you will see it basically pipes there every single thing that is said in #ubuntu and friends.
[13:28] <LjL> For each of those messages that get piped, you can give MetaBot commands that tell it "this message is a valid question and belongs to the category 'APT'" (for example)
[13:28] <LjL> Or "this message is nonsense, it's not a valid question and you should ignore it"
[13:30] <LjL> The syntax is explained if you type "help" in #metabot, but basically, "cat <category> <nickname>" to say something is a valid question of the given category, and "null <nickname>" and "spam <nickname>" to say it's not-a-question or nonsense.
[13:30] <LjL> By the way, this is virtually the same mechanism that your email client probably uses to filter out spam.
[13:31] <LjL> You "train" it to recognize spam from non-spam, and MetaBot is "trained" to recognize questions from non-questions (and additionally categorize them, which is not much different).
[13:31] <LjL> Ok, next bot:
[13:31] <LjL> BestBot
[13:31] <LjL> -------
[13:32] <LjL> BestBot sits in #ubuntu-bots. Its purpose is to answer a common kind of question that occurs in support channels, but that isn't really a valid support question: "What is the best program to do X?".
[13:32] <LjL> It's meant to be "fun", because people can vote - tell the bot what they think is the "best" program - and see how many people voted for various pieces of software.
[13:32] <LjL> #ubuntu-bots can also be used to play with some other bots (ubottu for starters), and there is also #ubuntu-bots-team as the backstage for various bots.
[13:33] <LjL> You can also ask BestBot to give you a *list* of all the programs in a given category: I think this is the particularly useful part, because a valid support question is "what can I use to do X?".
[13:33] <LjL> Try asking the bot (publicly in #ubuntu-bots, it doesn't work in private) to "list every IRC client" for example. You'll see it can, sort of, tell you about GNOME and KDE clients separately, or console clients, etc.
[13:33] <LjL> You can teach the bot new things, by voting or by simply saying (for example) "xchat is an IRC client". Its database is already relatively extensive (and unfortunately also a bit messed up, I should clean it up some time), but the repositories contain about 40000 packages, and there's certainly more to add!
[13:34] <LjL> Questions about BestBot? Don't expect it to understand commands, by the way, it's supposed to be "fun" so I made it to pretend to recognize natural language. Which is a mixed blessing, I suppose.
[13:36] <LjL> I've mentioned a few channels while talking about the bots. I'm sure you already know about #ubuntu-ops (if you're a core op you're there already, if not, you aren't supposed to idle in there, but you can always join for operator questions or issues), but remember there is also #ubuntu-irc, where everyone *can* idle, with a broader scope.
[13:36] <LjL> [15:35:36] <tomtiger11> QUESTION: Is BestBot's source available?
[13:37] <LjL> At the moment it's not available (it might be... somewhere, but it's almost certainly not the latest version). It's a very hacky bot, but if there's interest, I can just put the source somewhere.
[13:38] <LjL> Ok, I'll try to not be lazy, polish its source code a little, and upload it somewhere accessible :)
[13:38] <LjL> This question reminds me of something else though:
[13:40] <LjL> The FloodBots source code is NOT available, and there is some concern about making it available. BUT if you want to help reduce that concern (by reviewing the code), access to the source code is available to Ubuntu core ops who request it.
[13:40] <LjL> [15:38:43] <tomtiger11> QUESTION: Do you know what language it is coded in?
[13:40] <LjL> All the bots I described are based on the same original source code; they're *very hacky* bots, and that's partly why the source code is not available, but they do their job etc. I hate to admit it, but they're written in PHP :-P
[13:43] <LjL> Well, I guess we're done. I'm sorry I haven't introduced you to our actual main bot, ubottu, but I only know as much as the next guy about it myself. Ubottu is *not* written in PHP, it's written in Python and based on Supybot, that much I know - I believe its home is in #ubuntu-bots-team, where people have more knowledge about it.
[13:44] <LjL> Thank you for attending and sorry if this has been a bit messy, my excuse is that I'm not feeling too well and I haven't been able to prepare very attentively ;(
[13:44] <LjL> [15:43:55] <JoseeAntonioR> QUESTION: Is there any bot that helps in opping ops in case ChanServ is not available for a netsplit/services update/etc?
[13:45] <LjL> No. The FloodBots could theoretically do this, and I've sometimes thought about it, but it seemed a bit of a security issue, so I decided to avoid it.
[13:46] <LjL> I mean, ChanServ is actually built by people who know what you're doing, the FloodBots are written by me and I wouldn't want to have random people opped by mistake :-P
[13:47] <LjL> [15:46:52] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe a +o to ubottu when it detects a chanserv quit may work
[13:47] <LjL> I can think about that a little more. I'm not ruling it out, it just makes me a little uneasy.
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[13:51] <LjL> ClassBot: Here in Italy when there are only 10 minutes left, the class is dismissed. =)
[13:55] <AlanBell> thanks very much LjL :)
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[07:40] <Xat`> hi guys
[07:43] <Xat`> anyone knows why I'm getting "Commissionning to failed commissionning", and in maas.log I have "Marking node failed: Node operation 'Commissioning' tmed out after 0:20:00"
[07:44] <Xat`> I tried to debug this during about 5 hours, unsuccessfully
[08:19] <Xat`> I have maas 1
[08:19] <Xat`> I have maas 1.7
[10:07] <mup> Bug #1519726 opened: Status ready but no RAM,  Asus node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519726>
[10:40] <mup> Bug #1519744 opened: code is showing in disk size field <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519744>
[12:34] <mup> Bug #1519804 opened: get_by_pxealias() is not stable <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519804>
[13:05] <mup> Bug #1519810 opened: cluser controller failing to detect interfaces on bootstrap <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519810>
[13:14] <mup> Bug #1519810 changed: cluser controller failing to detect interfaces on bootstrap <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519810>
[13:17] <mup> Bug #1519810 opened: cluser controller failing to detect interfaces on bootstrap <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519810>
[13:41] <mup> Bug #1519828 opened: [1.9] Support for static routes <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519828>
[14:02] <mup> Bug #1519832 opened: Proxing Region controller functions on Cluster controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519832>
[14:05] <Xat`> is maas designed to deplay VM/OS ?
[14:05] <Xat`> deploy*
[16:13] <Xat`> guys how to use maas with vmware vm ?
[16:40] <LoRez> Xat`: Seems like you could script up a way to get vmware to create VMs that would network boot
[18:06] <Xat`> LoRez: can I use virsh with libvirt esx support ?
[18:38] <mup> Bug #1519744 changed: code is showing in disk size field <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519744>
[18:48] <LoRez> Xat`: no clue.
[19:11] <mup> Bug #1519918 opened: "failed to detect a valid IP address" when trying to view node details <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 1.9:New> <MAAS trunk:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519918>
[19:11] <mup> Bug #1519919 opened: MAAS Look for NIC with kernel module loaded and fall back doesn't check presistent device names <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519919>
[20:12] <mup> Bug #1519936 opened: re-commissioning just to reset partition scheme is overkill <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519936>
[20:27] <mup> Bug #1519936 changed: re-commissioning just to reset partition scheme is overkill <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519936>
[20:30] <mup> Bug #1519936 opened: re-commissioning just to reset partition scheme is overkill <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519936>
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1519936 changed: re-commissioning just to reset partition scheme is overkill <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519936>
[20:51] <mup> Bug #1519943 opened: Upgrade from 1.8 left stale devices in the UI? <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519943>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1519943 changed: Upgrade from 1.8 left stale devices in the UI? <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519943>
[20:57] <mup> Bug #1519943 opened: Upgrade from 1.8 left stale devices in the UI? <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519943>
[22:03] <mup> Bug #1519527 opened: 1.25.1 proposed:  lxc units all have the same IP address <openstack> <sts> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <MAAS 1.9:Triaged by mpontillo> <MAAS trunk:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519527>