[01:36] <user_anonym> The Holy Spirit IS a Spiritual Flame
[01:36] <user_anonym>  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[01:36] <user_anonym>  —Romans 7:19
[01:36] <user_anonym> The Holy Spirit is also a spiritual flame. He alone can raise our worship to true spiritual levels. For we might as well know once for all that morality and ethics, however lofty, are still not Christianity.
[01:36] <user_anonym> The faith of Christ undertakes to raise the soul to actual communion with God, to introduce into our religious experiences a supra-rational element as far above mere goodness as the heavens are above the earth.…
[01:36] <user_anonym> The joy of the first Christians was not the joy of logic working on facts. They did not reason, “Christ is risen from the dead; therefore we ought to be glad.” Their gladness was as great a miracle as the resurrection itself; indeed these were and are organically related. The moral happiness of the Creator had taken residence in the breasts of redeemed creatures and they could not but be glad. POM103–104
[04:41] <Metamorphosis> noob question: how can one understand if their laptop has two graphic cards (one Intel and one AMD Radeon), when it is not advertised on laptop box etc
 Sduo lshw -C display to get what the computer is recognizing, and search the model number online to get what it actually has
 'sudo lshw -C display' to get what the computer is recognizing, and search the model number online to get what it actually has
[07:04] <alkisg> paculino, did you manage to modify grub.cfg and boot it?
 I managed to corrupt the shared partition, but I did get grub.cfg edited and it did not help
[07:15] <alkisg> The one under <efi partition>/BOOT/popos/grub.cfg ?
 Not that one; I will try that now
 The errors seem to go back to kernelstub.Drive Could not find a block device for the a partition and no such file or directory (failed to flushbinfmt_misc rules) and llvm13/14 failed to add binary (no such file or directory)
[07:18] <alkisg> The main problem is that you're booting a 5.19 kernel that you deleted from /lib/modules, so it cannot access anything, not even the efi partition
[07:19] <alkisg> By modifying the efi>grub.cfg to point to the sda4>grub.cfg you should boot with the 5.15 kernel
 There is no /boot/efi/popos/grub.cfg
[07:19] <alkisg> Are you on windows now, and have you mounted the efi partition?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5692660d/file_61419.jpg
 Mount as mnt or root?
[07:20] <alkisg> You cannot access the efi partition because your 5.19 kernel doesn't have the modules
[07:21] <alkisg> You can only access it from the windows operating system
[07:21] <alkisg> I guess you didn't understand what I suggested yesterday :)
 I misunderstood
[07:22] <alkisg> IrcsomeBot: what's the output of this? ls /boot
[07:22] <alkisg> (before you reboot to windows...)
[07:23] <alkisg> paculino, ^
 How do I go to B:\ from windows?
 ls boot is in that screenshot
[07:25] <alkisg> OK so popos has put the kernel elsewhere, maybe in efi
[07:25] <alkisg> Did you run mountvol first?
[07:25] <alkisg> Do you want to anydesk so that we do this quicker?
 In windows CMD, I did mountvol b: s
[07:26] <alkisg> Did it mention an error?
[07:26] <alkisg> Because this is the wrong command, you didn't put /s
 Autocorrect changed it; I did in terminal. It left a blank line and then went to system32
 Is anydesk just a remote desktop connection?
[07:28] <alkisg> Yes
[07:28] <alkisg> To go to B:, type: B:
[07:28] <alkisg> It should change the drive
[07:28] <alkisg> Then: cd \
[07:28] <alkisg> Then: dir /s
[07:29] <alkisg> It should show all files and folders; copy them to a file and pastebin it
 https://pastebin.com/qtAXqaLh
[07:32] <alkisg> Ouch no that's the wrong EFI partitions. You have two, one in your internal disk and one in your external disk, we want the one from your external disk
[07:32] <alkisg> Check if you can see it in your file manager, as drive E: or F: or whatever
 It is drive B and not formatted for windows
 D
 "The volume does not contain a recognized file system"
[07:35] <alkisg> Do not format anything
 May I change letter?
[07:35] <alkisg> B: is the efi partition of your internal drive
[07:35] <alkisg> We want the efi partition of your external drive
 *: is the efi for ext according to partition tool
[07:35] <alkisg> Run `diskmgmt.msc`, maximize it, and upload a photo
 May I assign it a letter, or will that cause issue?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/60fd5736/file_61420.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/e255ab7b/file_61421.jpg
 It is quite late here; I will go to bed once this step is done if that is alright
[07:44] <alkisg> paculino, you mounted the 100 mb partition, while you should mount the 15 gb partition of the second disk
[07:44] <alkisg> That's where you grub.cfg is, in the 15 gb partition
 Will it hurt to assign it a letter so I can do that?
[07:45] <alkisg> No, it won't hurt
[07:46] <alkisg> The weird thing is that I do not see your ext4 partition
 The directory is not empty
[07:47] <alkisg> Which directory?
 K
 The efi one
[07:47] <alkisg> Yes, it should have files there
[07:47] <alkisg> In the cmd prompt, type:
[07:47] <alkisg> K:
[07:47] <alkisg> cd \
[07:47] <alkisg> dir /s > \list.txt
[07:48] <alkisg> It will create a file K:\list.txt
[07:48] <alkisg> Upload it to pastebin
 https://pastebin.com/tRJcRBT7
[07:50] <alkisg> So popos is using systemd-boot instead of grub
[07:50] <alkisg> That's why you couldn't see the grub menu
[07:51] <alkisg> Make a copy of Pop_OS-current.conf to keep its contents
 From windows?
[07:51] <alkisg> Then upload Pop_OS-current.conf and Ubuntu-current.conf to pastebin
[07:51] <alkisg> Yes, in the same folder, ctrl+c and ctrl+v
 https://pastebin.com/2giREU6V
 Okay, when I edited grub.cfg I just used the UUID, but it appears the UUID is the same for each
[07:56] <alkisg> paculino did you install kernel 5.19 in ubuntu, or was it only in popos?
[07:57] <alkisg> popos has kernel 5.19, ubuntu has 5.15
[07:57] <alkisg> If you installed kernel 5.19 in ubuntu then you'll need to use the shared partition to get the 5.15 one
 I'm not sure
[07:59] <alkisg> OK then do this. In both of these files, replace the word "quiet" with "break=bottom"
[07:59] <alkisg> And save them
[07:59] <alkisg> When you reboot, you'll get a different shell than usual, the "initramfs" shell
[08:00] <alkisg> There you should be able to load the nls module to access the efi partition from linux, to copy the 5.15 kernel etc
 Okay, is that all to do before rebooting?
[08:00] <alkisg> Yes
[08:00] <alkisg> These are 2 different boot managers
[08:00] <alkisg> The problem happened because popos was using systemd-boot and ubuntu was using grub, and things got messy
 Okay, it says it is in busybox 1.35.0
[08:02] <alkisg> OK, type: ls /lib/modules; ls /root
[08:02] <alkisg> And upload a photo
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3fc67944/file_61422.jpg
[08:04] <alkisg> now type: cp -a /lib/modules/5* /root/lib/modules/
[08:04] <alkisg> Did it succeed?
 Is there a space before the five?
[08:04] <alkisg> With this, you copied some of the 5.19 modules that are available in the initramfs, to the real file system.
[08:04] <alkisg> With this, you should be now able to mount the efi partition later on
[08:05] <alkisg> No space
[08:05] <alkisg> cp    -a     /lib/modules/5*    /root/lib/modules/
[08:05] <alkisg> I added more spaces so that it's more visible ^
 It is read only and did not work.
[08:05] <alkisg> mount -o remount,rw /root
[08:05] <alkisg> Then again the cp command
 It works now
[08:06] <alkisg> OK now type: exit 0
[08:06] <alkisg> This will continue to the old shell prompt you had previously
 Do I reboot?
[08:07] <alkisg> No
[08:07] <alkisg> Did you get the normal shell prompt that you had yesterday?
 I have the normal login menu
[08:08] <alkisg> Text or graphics?
 Gui
[08:08] <alkisg> OK, login there and open a GUI terminal
[08:09] <alkisg> Do you have internet there now?
 It takes a bit to load
 It does not, but since it is really late here and it is mostly fixed, I will go to bed now. Thank you so much for patiently helping me; I never would have gotten it fixed.
[08:14] <alkisg> Cheers; remember that now you need to type "exit 0" to continue booting
[08:14] <alkisg> We can fix that tomorrow, good night
[08:15] <alkisg> So the things left to do are to remove systemd-boot and remove grub and delete all boot entries and reinstall grub
 I assume getting more packages will require downloading them into a spare partition like before (unless networking can be repaired without that)?
[08:16] <alkisg> networking can be repaired
[08:16] <alkisg> By booting with the 5.15 kernel
[08:16] <alkisg> More on that tomorrow, go to bed
 Alright, thank you so much!
[08:18] <alkisg> 👍
[11:15] <Guest4435> give me a hiya
[11:16] <tobyp__> hi
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:13] <lsd|2> BluesKaj: actually IRC its not used for badoo or datezone
[14:14] <BluesKaj> lsd|2, ?
[16:38] <Luziffer> Ist deutsch schreiben okay? falls deutsche hier sind.
[16:39] <alkisg> !de
[16:41] <Luziffer> Okay. da weiß ich bescheid. danke!
 alkisg, sorry to continue bothering you, but is it safe to purge systemd-boot and then reboot, or do I need to copy a kernel or mount anything first?
[17:53] <alkisg> paculino, first we need to get you network; I'll be online in 10 minutes, wait
 Okay, thank you
[17:59] <alkisg> paculino, upload a screenshot of `sudo lsblk --fs` please
 Sorry, I wasted time trying to use kdeconnect : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/53420e0c/file_61431.jpg
[18:06] <alkisg> OK, now: find /boot/efi -name 'vmlinuz' -ls
[18:06] <alkisg> (and screenshot)
 It output nothing
[18:08] <alkisg> Hmm I think matrix trimmed my asterisks, retrying...
[18:08] <alkisg> find /boot/efi -name '*vmlinuz*' -ls
 Asterisks vanishing are annoying. My normal client shows them faintly : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/fa6264af/file_61432.jpg
[18:11] <alkisg> paculino, also this: ls -l /boot
[18:11] <alkisg> Then backup your efi dir: sudo cp -a /boot/efi /boot/efi.bak
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a713f771/file_61433.jpg
[18:14] <alkisg> Now we want to copy your 5.15 kernel and initrd over the other 3 ones that are in the efi partition
[18:15] <alkisg> That way after rebooting you'll get the 5.15 kernel which will have the wifi module and you'll have networking
 43.46 or 52.52?
[18:16] <alkisg> sudo cp -a /boot/vmlinuz-5.15-0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Ubuntu-*/vmlinuz.efi
[18:16] <alkisg> It's better to use tab for autocomplete instead of my asterisk there
[18:17] <alkisg> To copy the initrd, first run: find /boot/efi -name '*initrd*'
 Cannot stat, no such file or directory. Should I remount?
[18:17] <alkisg> To copy the initrd, first run: find /boot/efi -name '*initrd*' -ls
[18:17] <alkisg> No, do not remount anything, you probably gave a wrong filename
[18:18] <alkisg> Run the find initrd command above, then screenshot
[18:18] <alkisg> It'll also show the error
 15.0 not 15-0, but now it has the same error for the second directory
[18:19] <alkisg> Screenshot
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/552039d9/file_61434.jpg
[18:21] <alkisg> Run sudo -i
[18:21] <alkisg> This way you'll be root and you won't need sudo anymore and you'll be able to use tab
[18:22] <alkisg> Then type: cp -a /boot/vmlinuz-5.15-0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Ubuntu
[18:22] <alkisg> And at that point press <tab> on the keyboard to autocomplete the filename. Do not use asterisks at all
[18:22] <alkisg> So the final command should be: cp -a /boot/vmlinuz-5.15-0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Ubuntu-the-long-number-here/vmlinuz.efi
 Okay
[18:23] <alkisg> And: cp -a /boot/vmlinuz-5.15-0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Pop_OS-the-long-number-here/vmlinuz.efi
[18:23] <alkisg> And: cp -a /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Ubuntu-the-long-number-here/initrd.img
[18:24] <alkisg> And: cp -a /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Pop_OS-the-long-number-here/initrd.img
 Okay
[18:24] <alkisg> When you've done all four of them without errors, upload a screenshot for me to verify it, and then we'd be able to reboot
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5d699735/file_61435.jpg
 I did 15.0 instead of 15-0 since the latter had errors
[18:25] <alkisg> No
[18:26] <alkisg> The last two are wrong
[18:26] <alkisg> You copied vmlinuz instead of initrd.img
 Remove and redo?
[18:26] <alkisg> No, just redo
[18:26] <alkisg> It'll overwrite the bad one
[18:26] <alkisg> cp -a /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Ubuntu-the-long-number-here/initrd.img
[18:26] <alkisg> cp -a /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-52-generic /boot/efi/EFI/Pop_OS-the-long-number-here/initrd.img
[18:27] <alkisg> Then run this to verify: ls -l /boot/efi/EFI/*/*initrd.img* /boot/efi/EFI/*/*vmlinuz*
[18:27] <alkisg> Then screenshot
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f81b827e/file_61436.jpg
[18:28] <alkisg> It looks good, but let's verify it with the last ls command above ^, and screenshot. Then we'll be able to reboot
 Sorry, I was uploading that before you told the last one : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c2ca0cef/file_61437.jpg
[18:30] <alkisg> You put an extra / before the initrd.img, but anyway it should be fine
[18:30] <alkisg> Go ahead and reboot, remember to type exit 0 when needed
 Okay, it is loading
[18:32] <alkisg> Check if you have WiFi now
 I will once it finishes in about five minutes
[18:33] <alkisg> Haha, it takes a lot of time!
[18:33] <alkisg> I guess you have something in /etc/fstab that's missing
 Probably, I've had issues with fstab before
 The first few times I booted this it took way longer, and each time it got better, then it went back to five minutes after a few boots taking three.
 HDD problems
 I can do the systemd and grub parts myself; I've done that before
 (Assuming networking is fixed)
 Networking works; thank you for all the help. It is better than all prior tech support I've had combined.
[18:38] <alkisg> A UTP cable would be so much easier :D
[18:38] <alkisg> Now the idea is to remove the systemd-boot bits and grub-efi and reinstall grub-efi and run grub-update and grub-install
[18:38] <alkisg> You're sure you know how to do all this?
 I've done it before
[18:39] <alkisg> OK, good luck then!
 Purge systemd, search for remnants and RM rf them if they exist, then use apt on grub, install/update grub
 Right?
[18:41] <alkisg> Hopefully not `apt purge systemd` as that will remove most of ubuntu
[18:42] <alkisg> Just remove the efi bits that the popos systemd-boot created, like the directories, entries, grub.cfg etc
[18:42] <alkisg> And use efibootmgr to adjust the nvram entries
 Alright
[18:42] <alkisg> What's the output of this? sudo ls -l /boot/efi |  nc termbin.com 9999
[18:44] <alkisg> Sorry, this one: sudo ls -lR /boot/efi |  nc termbin.com 9999
[18:44] <alkisg> R=Recursive..
 https://termbin.com/0eflb first and https://termbin.com/n0qj
[18:45] <alkisg> Great, so, if you're sure you can properly reinstall grub, just remove everything under efi
[18:45] <alkisg> sudo find /boot/efi/ -delete
[18:46] <alkisg> But before rebooting, make sure everything is back in place, that grub-install did put a grub.cfg there
 Device or resource busy
[18:46] <alkisg> I guess it tried to remove the mount point, ok my bad but you can ignore that
[18:46] <alkisg> Now ls -l /boot/efi ==> is empty?
[18:47] <alkisg> sudo ls -l /boot/efi
[18:47] <alkisg> (just run a sudo -i so that we don't need to type sudo all the time)
 It is, and now I will reinstall grub, install grub, update grub, and check grub.cfg
[18:47] <alkisg> What's the output of this: dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:47] <alkisg> And this: dpkg -l | grep shim | nc termbin.com 9999
 https://termbin.com/oc7nu and https://termbin.com/eudo
 What did you use to learn all of this so well?
[18:50] <alkisg> 14 years of post high school studies :D
[18:50] <alkisg> And 30 years of practise :D
[18:50] <alkisg> OK remove all these packages but make sure nothing more is removed. Then reinstall shim-signed, it will automatically reinstall grub-efi
 Alright, I don't need any more help now
[18:53] <alkisg> 👍
[18:53] <alkisg> Ping me before rebooting
[18:54] <alkisg> (to check the output of efibootmgr)
 That may not be for several hours; I have to take a relative somewhere in half an hour, and then have to finish harvesting sweet potatoes before the frost/storm tomorrow
 I'm sorry
[18:58] <alkisg> No need to be sorry, my own PC is fine! :)
[18:58] <alkisg> Just make sure you don't reboot before fixing all the efi stuff otherwise it won't boot anymore...


[00:00] <jelmer> Verterok: But you wouldn't necessarily want to display all revision properties
[00:01] <Verterok> jelmer: right, because of that show_properties isn't implemented in the core, bzr-svn should provide it's own LogFormatter implementation to handle it's own properties ;)
[00:01] <jelmer> Verterok, Right, but I would want to hook into the default LogFormatters
[00:04] <Verterok> jelmer: ok, so this isn't going to work for you
[00:04] <Verterok> thanks, I'll keep thinking how this could be done
[00:05] <jelmer> Verterok: Thanks
[00:06] <Verterok> jelmer: np :-)
[00:19] <jml> wow. I just typed bzr st on a svn branch by accident
[00:19] <jml> now it appears to be recalculating something expensive
[00:25] <Verterok> jelmer: maybe my proposed solution can be used after all. I just found that registered LogFormatter can be removed from the registry
[00:25] <Verterok> so, bzr-svn can override the default formatter if it provides a show_properties or similar hook
[00:25] <jelmer> jml: Ah, yep, it would be caching some revision metadata
[00:28] <Verterok> jelmer: but I'm not 100% sure of what I'm saying...I'm going to try to implement it and see if it works :P
[00:28] <jelmer> Verterok, that would block others from registering custom handlers though no?
[00:31] <Verterok> jelmer: it depends on how and  when bzr-svn take control.
[00:31]  * Verterok getting bzr-svn to look how it works
[00:33] <bitmonk> jelmer: i'm having a hell of a time getting python svn support to work on osx leopard, know of any handy guides?
[00:33] <bitmonk> have spent some time in #svn
[00:34] <jelmer> bitmonk: you may want to talk to mwh, he has compiled svn on MacOSX afaik
[00:34]  * bitmonk nods
[00:34] <bitmonk> i have as well, just not in a while.
[00:34] <jelmer> I don't have a Mac myself so I don't have any experience with it
[00:40] <Verterok> jelmer: y're right, it will block all others :-(
[00:42] <aadis> does bzr-svn work with 1.0?
[00:42] <jelmer> aadis: yes
[00:44] <Verterok> jelmer: another (and last for today) approach: plugins can register it's own show_properties(dict) and it's stored at class level in the LogFormatter. This way a LogFormatter can have n show_properties
[00:45] <jelmer> Verterok: Yes, I think something like that would work
[00:48] <Verterok> jelmer: ok, I'll make a proof of concept
[00:49] <jelmer> cool
[00:53] <aadis> anyone had any success with bzr 1.0, rich-root, trac+bzr ?
[00:56] <jelmer> aadis: what errors are you getting?
[00:56] <aadis> jelmer: one sec, i'll paste
[01:13] <aadis> jelmer: sorry, that took a while
[01:13] <aadis> i'm getting this: "TypeError: can't compare datetime.datetime to float"
[01:14] <aadis> under "Browse Source"
[01:15] <aadis> i'm assuming trac+bzr works for repos created with: --rich-root-pack --no-trees
[01:15] <jelmer> aadis, I think that's an old error
[01:15] <jelmer> and unrelated to rich-root-pack
[01:15] <jelmer> or rich-root
[01:17] <aadis> ah, mixing 0.10 and 0.11 plugins. i see.
[01:20] <aadis> but now this "ZipImportError: bad local file header in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/TracBzr-0.2-py2.5.egg"
[01:20] <aadis> i just built and installed the plugin, fresh checkout. weird.
[01:43] <Verterok> jelmer: I have a working implementation of the show_properties for 'log --long', I can upload it to a server if you want to take a look and see if it's the right approach
[01:52]  * Verterok dinner
[02:32] <jelmer> luks: ping
[02:44] <jelmer> Verterok_, ah cool
[02:44] <jelmer> Verterok_, yeah, that'd be nice
[03:01] <Verterok> jelmer: ok, it's a patch against the latest bzr.dev, get it from: http://freeshells.ch/~guillo/code/properties_log.patch
[03:27] <jelmer> Verterok, cool
[03:27] <jelmer> Verterok, I'll have a look tomorrow, thanks!
[03:27] <Verterok> jelmer: ok, tell me then what do you think about it.
[03:27] <Verterok> I'm leaving too
[03:28]  * Verterok heading to bed
[03:36] <Verterok> seeya
[04:27] <MattCampbell> Has anyone integrated bzr with the Roundup issue tracker?
[12:17] <``Cube> jelmer: ping
[12:19] <``Cube> jelmer: what's with the icons?
[13:46] <``Cube> jelmer: ???
[13:46] <``Cube> you there
[13:52] <Peng> He was there...ten hours ago.
[14:09] <``Cube> hehe ;=
[14:09] <``Cube> jelmer: you here now?
[14:10] <Peng> Ohhh. The `` in your nick kept making me think you were using /me.
[14:44] <``Cube> lol
[16:02] <``Cube> hello
[16:02] <``Cube> anybody there?
[16:04] <jelmer> ``Cube: Hi
[16:05] <``Cube> WOW
[16:05] <``Cube> hello jelmer!
[16:05] <``Cube> been seeking you for 5 hours now
[16:05] <``Cube> nevermind, what about the icons?
[16:07] <``Cube> jelmer: !!!!
[16:08] <jelmer> ``Cube: Sorry, no news on that yet
[16:08] <jelmer> ``Cube: I haven't even sent mail to the list yet
[16:08] <``Cube> hmm
[16:08] <``Cube> ...
[16:08] <``Cube> ok
[16:08] <``Cube> when will you do that?
[16:09] <``Cube> jelmer
[16:09] <jelmer> I'll send an email right now - should I cc you?
[16:14] <``Cube> yea, would be cool
[16:14] <``Cube> jelmer: ill give you the email in private chat
[16:14] <jelmer> ok
[16:24] <``Cube> jelmer: sent?
[19:08] <``Cube> jelmer: and?
[19:11] <``Cube> does anyone here know DANIEL SCHIERBECK?
[19:12] <``Cube> I think he works for bazaar
[19:16] <jelmer> ``Cube: Sorry, got distracted by some other things
[19:16] <jelmer> ``Cube: Will send the email within the next hour
[19:18] <``Cube> uh
[19:18] <``Cube> ok
[19:18] <``Cube> can you tell me one thing:
[19:18] <``Cube> can I start with tangofing the current high resolution bazaar icon?
[19:21] <jelmer> ``Cube: yes, I think that would be a good idea
[19:21] <jelmer> ``Cube: did you get bzr-gtk running?
[20:41] <``Cube> jelmer: I got the icons ready, I have a 192x192, 144x149, 48x48 and working on the 32x32, 22x22 and 16x16 will come
[20:41] <jelmer> Cool!
[20:41] <``Cube> yea
[20:41] <``Cube> do you want to see them?
[20:41] <``Cube> maybe they're totally crap
[20:41] <``Cube> sorry for that language
[20:41] <``Cube> would you like to check'em out?
[20:42] <``Cube> or not, jelmer
[20:42] <``Cube> and could you give me the IRC name or daniel schierbeck
[20:42] <jelmer> ``Cube: Please
[20:42] <``Cube> cool, ill upload them, one second
[20:42] <jelmer> his IRC nick is schierbeck usually
[20:42] <``Cube> oh ok, thanks!
[20:43] <jelmer> ``Cube: I've just sent that email. Sorry it took so long.
[20:44] <``Cube> eh, no problem
[20:44] <``Cube> hope ill be allowed to make them
[20:44] <``Cube> and I hope they'll be good enough
[20:44] <jelmer> ``Cube: Btw, I have another request, somewhat related.. any chance you could do an icon for bzr-svn?
[20:44] <``Cube> well, one thing to keep in mind: even if you think they're totally bad, don't just say no: I can change them completely
[20:45]  * jelmer looks forward to seeing them :-)
[20:45] <``Cube> eh, I think that belongs to the icons I should do? (= sure!)
[20:47] <``Cube> http://cubibubi.cu.funpic.de/tango/bazaar/
[20:47] <``Cube> AND KEEP IN MIND WHAT I JUST SAID PLEASE
[20:47] <``Cube> there can be changed so much...
[20:47] <``Cube> I'm really looking forward to your first impression...
[20:47] <``Cube> hope it's going to be positive
[20:48] <jelmer> w00t
[20:48] <jelmer> yep :-)
[20:48] <``Cube> heh
[20:48] <``Cube> really?
[20:48] <``Cube> you like them?
[20:49] <jelmer> Yeah, they look great :-)
[20:49] <``Cube> heh
[20:49] <``Cube> anything I could add/change, something that you don't like 100%?
[20:50] <jelmer> The logo is meant to look like a traffic sign
[20:50] <``Cube> ah
[20:50] <``Cube> so, more metallic look? not so much glow?
[20:50] <jelmer> could you remove the line between the head and the tail of the "road" on the sign?
[20:51] <``Cube> oh, :P yes should be easy, I knew that wouldn't be correct
[20:51] <``Cube> ill remove it, gonna take up to 5 minutes for all sizes
[20:51] <``Cube> well, I intentionally created a 192x192 (for launchpad) and 144x149 for your size (bzr
[21:28] <batoms> can anyone do a bzr upgrade for me at bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebauble/bauble/trunk/
[21:28] <batoms> bazaar.launchpad.net/~bauble/bauble/trunk/
[21:30] <jelmer> batoms: better ask in #launchpad
[21:31] <batoms> jelmer: i did but no response
[21:37] <jelmer> batoms: I think they're all on their christmas break atm
[21:39] <batoms> jelmer: well maybe santa will bring me some patience for xmas
[22:05] <unenough> is it possible to merge two projects? e.g: use the theoretical r0 shared revision as a common ancestor
[22:05] <fullermd> Sure, I do it all the time.
[22:05] <unenough> really? How (and why? :-) ?
[22:05] <fullermd> All the files are different, of course.
[22:05] <unenough> Yeah, why do you happen to have to merge projects a lot?
[22:06] <fullermd> Because I keep some commonly-used code in its own branches, then I can merge it into projects that use it.
[22:06] <unenough> and how do you merge?
[22:06] <unenough> bzr merge refuses
[22:06] <fullermd> Try with "-r0..-1".
[22:07] <unenough> great, thanks. Why doesn't -r0 work?
[22:08] <unenough> what does 0..-1 mean?
[22:08] <fullermd> Well, '-r0' means "merge from the common ancestor up to rev 0", which is kinda a double-meaningless.
[22:08] <fullermd> 0..-1 means "from 0 through the head"
[22:09] <unenough> oh ok, thanks!
[22:10] <fullermd> No problem   :)
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #178353 in bzr "Memory error on branch from launchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178353
[22:27] <unenough> there doesn't seem to be a "blame" for directories?
[22:27] <unenough> I want to know which revisions touch some directory or anything in it...
[22:31] <LeoNerd> bzr log --line path/to/dir
[22:32] <fullermd> Er.  That doesn't do what you might hope it does...
[22:32] <LeoNerd> Hrm.. oh yes.. :/
[22:32] <LeoNerd> OK... what about  bzr log --line `find path/to/dir -type f`
[22:33] <fullermd> Nor does that.
[22:33] <LeoNerd> Hrm...
[22:33] <LeoNerd> (off top of my head) find path/to/dir -type f | xargs -n1 bzr log --line | sort -r | uniq
[22:33] <fullermd> log only takes one file.
[22:34] <fullermd> Uff.  Call me next week when THAT finishes running   :p
[22:34] <LeoNerd> Ah. That works for me :)
[22:34] <LeoNerd> But then I just tried a tiny tree of 6 files and 7 revisions
[22:35] <fullermd> Mmph.  Not so comfortable with a few hundred files and thousand revisions...
[22:35] <LeoNerd> Ya.. I imagine perhaps not so
[22:35] <unenough> thanks, I'll try that :)
[22:36] <fullermd> Or for those of us who don't like --line   ;)
[22:36] <unenough> it took about 2 seconds on my repo :-) Thanks!
[22:47] <unenough> hmm, I am trying to make a retroactive removal of files in my repo, by creating a new repo and merging selected revisions from the original one (ignoring the ones I don't want carefully)
[22:47] <unenough> And I caused bzr 0.90.0 to get an assertion error
[22:48] <unenough>     assert len(history) == revno, '%d != %d' % (len(history), revno)
[22:48] <unenough> AssertionError: 47 != 1
[22:48]  * fullermd blinks.
[22:49] <unenough> I basically used:    bzr merge ../old-branch -r0..46 ; bzr commit
[22:49] <fullermd> That's...   intersting.
[22:49] <unenough> (on a new branch)
[22:49] <fullermd> Oh.  Hm.
[22:49] <unenough> (because I want to kill revision 47)
[22:49] <fullermd> The surprising thing, I guess is that merge let you do it, not that commit failed.
[22:49] <fullermd> Try branching rev 46, then working from there.
[22:49] <unenough> I plan to later merge 48..X then X+2..Y and so on
[22:50] <unenough> if I branch from 46 I will still need to merge the revision ranges after, will those work?
[22:50] <fullermd> Well, those merges can't really be merges formally speaking, since you're missing a rev.
[22:51] <fullermd> What you really want to do is sorta re-make those commits on top of the tree.  There might be a plugin to help automate that...
[22:52] <unenough> hmm, can't I merge revision ranges from another branch to me, if those have a gap?
[22:52] <unenough> (a gap between my last and his first)
[22:52] <unenough> in other words, my technique for retro-active killing of revisions/files will not work?
[22:52] <fullermd> Well, merge will bring over the changes.  But it won't record it; sorta the equivalent of diff | patch (with some smarts on conflict avoidance)
[22:53] <unenough> won't it also record the diffs of the individual revisions in the range into my new history?
[22:53] <fullermd> Depends on the definition of 'work'.  But your new rev 47 (old 48) won't have any relation to your old 48.
[22:54] <fullermd> No, because the individual revisions won't be pulled in.
[22:54] <unenough> I see, indeed I lose the history.. so what are my best options to do retro-active removal of files?
[22:54] <fullermd> Well, what you want to do is replay each rev's changes on top of the tree, skipping certain revs/files.
[22:55] <fullermd> I think there was at least part of a plugin that could do it.  It's sorta the guts of rebase, with some filtering capabilities.
[22:55] <fullermd> But I don't know of any existing automated way.
[22:55] <unenough> maybe I'll create one then, thanks
[22:55] <fullermd> There used to be a 'graft' plugin, I think; that might be close.
[22:56] <fullermd> Try digging that up, or corner jelmer about what could be done with rebase.
[23:00] <unenough> what is rebase?
[23:01] <unenough> but if I use graft or any other commit-based method, won't I lose all the merging/branches information? All I get a serial linear list of commits
[23:02] <fullermd> Well, for any commits post the commit you're losing, that's kinda unavoidable (without a whole lot of smarts, anyway)
[23:03] <unenough> I could selectively delete revisions in the past....
[23:03] <fullermd> All the revs past that points are necessarily defunct, since they depend on something you're not gonna have.  So they all have to be remade.  It would be an interesting exercise to try and remake the full topology...
[23:05] <fullermd> I guess there's no theoretical reason it would be impossible (at least, in the general case).  Take a fair hunk of work, though.
[23:05] <unenough> Well, i guess for now i'll just lose the history (i'll have it in the old repo, anyhow)


[06:49] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[08:45] <the_calhax> morning!
[09:25] <the_calhax> everyone is so quiet today
[16:45] <Kilos> guten abend
[17:11] <smile> hi again
[17:11] <smile> wie geht's dir, Kilos?
[19:02] <inetpro> guten morgen oom Kilos
[20:43] <Kilos> lol guten abend and sleep tight everyone
[21:59] <superfly> ai, I keep missing everyone
[22:04] <paddatrapper> Hi superfly
[22:04] <superfly> hello paddatrapper, how goes?
[22:06] <paddatrapper> superfly: alright thanks. You?
[22:06] <superfly> paddatrapper: I'm well thanks.
[22:06] <superfly> paddatrapper: Uni going ok?
[22:07] <paddatrapper> superfly: yeah. Dying under the work load, but such is the end of the semester :) I was accepted into Google Summer of Code working on the opsis boards that Debconf uses which I'm really enjoying
[22:08] <superfly> paddatrapper: I heard a rumour of GSoC, wel done!
[22:09] <paddatrapper> Thanks! Having to take a deep dive into low level programming in a way I've never done before
[22:13] <paddatrapper> superfly: settling into the new house and job well?
[22:13] <superfly> Yes. All going well.
[22:14] <superfly> I've started buying replacement PCs for myself and Hannah. Bought over $500 worth of stuff the other day because there was a sale on
[22:14] <superfly> (and that's without the RAM, processors and motherboards)
[22:15] <paddatrapper> Got to love them sales :)
[22:15] <paddatrapper> Ok wow!
[22:15] <paddatrapper> Alright I'm off. Need to not be a zombie tomorrow... Night/Morning!
[22:17] <superfly> night paddatrapper, love to the family


[01:21] <pieq> Morning desktoppers!
[01:21] <pieq> And thanks and congrats, duflu ! → https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/01/its-not-your-eyes-its-a-bug-why-hq-desktop-backgrounds-look-blurry-on-ubuntu
[01:23] <duflu> Morning pieq
[01:24] <duflu> Not sure any congrats are in order, but good morning
[01:26] <pieq> duflu, is this by any chance related to this other issue? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/704
[01:26] <gitbot> GNOME issue 704 in gnome-control-center "Background: Previews render blurry on scale_factor > 1" [1. Bug, 6. Component: Background, Opened]
[01:27] <pieq> duflu, also, how did you find out the method you implemented was also used by Youtube? :)
[01:27] <duflu> pieq, no I noticed the issue in gnome-control-center but it's completely different code
[01:27] <pieq> OK
[01:28] <duflu> pieq, just spent too much time staring at web images and wondering why they always looking higher res than ours
[01:28] <duflu> -looking +looked
[01:28] <duflu> Then checked the youtube page source and images to confirm
[01:29] <pieq> duflu, oh I just saw someone mentioned → https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/merge_requests/517
[01:29] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 517 in gnome-control-center "background: Scale background images to window scale" [6. Component: Background, Opened]
[01:41] <duflu> pieq, yeah duplicates exist but I don't have the authority to close them
[07:01] <didrocks> good morning
[07:03] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:03] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:04] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:19] <duflu> Morning didrocks and oSoMoN
[07:19] <duflu> and seb128
[07:19] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you today?
[07:20] <duflu> seb128, aching and tired. Feel like I'm getting a virus but still half OK. How are you now?
[07:20] <didrocks> hey duflu
[09:03] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[09:05] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[09:17] <seb128> xnox, Wimpress , the sound switcher has been requested upstream there https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/314 but didn't get much traction
[09:17] <gitbot> GNOME issue 314 in gnome-shell "Allow quickly switch between sound outputs from volume indicator" [Opened]
[09:42] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[10:08] <mwhudson> oSoMoN: rustc and cargo updated in focal now, will work on backports tomorrow
[10:09] <mwhudson> cargo will be a little bit annoying because of libgit2 but i'll figure it out
[10:41] <oSoMoN> mwhudson, thanks a lot!
[14:35] <Laney> seb128: do you have a commit for ubuntu-settings 19.10.4 to push?
[14:51] <Laney> ;_;
[14:53] <jibel> Laney, bug 1860565
[14:53] <Laney> cheers!!!!!
[14:58] <jibel> talking about 18.04.4 bug 1860559 is fairly important
[14:59] <jibel> looks like a gift of kernel 5.3 to bionic
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, not here, sorry, maybe/probably on my desktop...
[15:05] <Laney> nm
[15:05] <Laney> import-dsc for the win
[15:13] <seb128> right :)
[15:28] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[15:29] <marcustomlinson> morning hellsworth
[15:30] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson !
[15:30] <hellsworth> i'm ready to learn all the LO things today :D
[15:39] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth
[15:40] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN !
[15:43] <marcustomlinson> :)
[16:01] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, do you plan to update mesa to 19.3.2 to focal soon? I'm trying to figure out how we unblock that update/the openscad/s390x problem
[16:01] <seb128> tjaalton, before we spend time debugging getting the current version/a rebuild with the current toolchain would give us useful info on the status
[16:02] <tjaalton> seb128: there should be a new point-release rsn
[16:02] <seb128> waiting on that?
[16:02] <tjaalton> yes
[16:02] <seb128> k
[16:04] <tjaalton> though I guess it doesn't matter
[16:04] <tjaalton> I've used 19.3.2 myself for a week now
[16:05] <tjaalton> so might as well upload that to the archive
[16:10] <seb128> tjaalton, thx, it's likely to not leave proposed by itself anyway ... let's see how it goes
[16:11] <tjaalton> should be building now, or soon


[10:21] <guiverc> ubuntu 19.04 qa-test:  i'm usually stream utube vids on flavors, but can't on ubuntu (live daily).   no browser support for H264. but this works with xubuntu/lubuntu (last time tested) - is this an issue with ubuntu, or do i need to add something flavors by default have?
[10:21] <guiverc> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1juarTSumPFTUuQb0dAwb_GvQ3mqwGufR/view  for screenshot of issue
[10:24] <guiverc> same box was tested with lubuntu 19.04 daily no issues earlier today, xubuntu 19.04 daily using 14-feb's daily without this issue
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: did you enable restricted extras during setup?
[11:34] <guiverc> i'm using live, but yeah i added multiverse then added ubuntu-restricted-extras & it worked...
[11:34] <guiverc> thanks lotuspsychje :)
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> np :p
[11:35] <guiverc> i just didn't expect it (i'm so used to flavors I guess)
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> flavors got this by default guiverc ?
[11:36] <guiverc> i can stream utube on xubuntu & lubuntu without issues (even recall kubuntu test a few weeks back)
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:37] <guiverc> i assume they have it; no idea & never looked - just know no h264 issues with live on flavors
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> just tested lubuntu bionic here
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> but i did enable the extras during setup
[11:37] <guiverc> :) @ thanks !
[11:38] <guiverc> & thanks I meant
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: did you try lubuntu 19.04?
[11:39] <guiverc> yeah ran a test earlier today; caused bug report that had me requested same test with ubuntu (causing the question on here...) - Yep.
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> did you get 2 network icons on lubuntu?
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> i still did on the default bionic iso
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> its a known bug guiverc just wanted to know if its fixxed on dingo
[11:40] <guiverc> i sure don't recall any, nor see any on this box (lxqt on 19.04)
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> might been solved then
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> after i updated, its also gone
[11:41] <guiverc> maybe not - lots of icons bottom right; and yeah two are network (different icons, but I'd easily miss them) so my not seeing them means little
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1761606
[11:43] <guiverc> my current two have different text, one is network, one is my 'wired' connection (which has fixed ip address)
[11:44] <guiverc> 24 folks - yeah that affects a few...  powering up a lubuntu 18.04 box now to look
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> i grabbed the bionic iso this morning
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> and still was affected
[11:53] <guiverc> my installed Lubuntu 18.04 LTS (reports 18.04.2 too) doesn't have two network; I have panel @ top & bottom so mine no doubt is modified  (only recently installed, but $HOME wasn't formatted)
[11:54] <guiverc> i had an issue trying to upload modified packages; so I switched from x86 to x86_64 (the recent re-install) -- but the old configs in $HOME would be why it isn't effecing me no doubt
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> aha
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> tnx 4 checking guiverc
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> i downloaded the amd64 lubuntu iso if that matters
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> from the lubuntu website
[11:57] <guiverc> lubuntu.me  (lubuntu.net is a fan site & unofficial!!!)
[11:57] <guiverc> the .net sure looks official, but it ain't!
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> ah
[11:58] <guiverc> fyi: i always send people to https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours for flavors
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> thats where it goes wrong then..
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> outdated iso's heh
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> first hit on google too when keyword lubuntu
[11:59] <guiverc> no idea what iso's are on lubuntu.net; i just know it's unofficial
[12:00] <guiverc> most of the info is valid, but it's not controlled by Lubuntu team (and thus yeah out-of-date)
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> ill keep that in mind guiverc


[16:12] <cjohnston> newz2000: pre-meeting meeting question.. you can answer during the meeting though.. are teams going to be required to stick to the template provided?
[16:23] <newz2000> I may be one or two min late, will be close though
[16:23] <cjohnston> ok.. my dad is over.. so ping me when your ready
[16:31] <newz2000> cjohnston: I'm here but I can delay for a bit if needed
[16:41] <cjohnston> newz2000: is 1200 est ok? sorry
[16:41] <cjohnston> if not, i can start now
[16:41] <newz2000> yep, that's fine
[16:41] <newz2000> so in about 20m?
[16:41] <cjohnston> ok.. yes
[16:41] <cjohnston> thanks
[16:45] <cjohnston> newz2000: he just left.. so im ready whenever
[16:45] <newz2000> ok, lets go
[16:46] <newz2000> To answer your question, I think that yes, they need to use it unless we give them permission to change that
[16:46] <cjohnston> ok
[16:46] <newz2000> and I can discuss this with the community council to make it a policy
[16:46] <cjohnston> ok
[16:46]  * newz2000 adds that to his todo list
[16:47]  * newz2000 will check to see if the community council even needs to be involved
[16:47] <cjohnston> ok..
[16:49] <cjohnston> So you were wanting to talk about the tecnical side of this?
[16:49] <newz2000> yes
[16:50] <newz2000> You'll have to forgive me, I'm a bit sick and my head is not working at normal speed
[16:50] <cjohnston> no problem..
[16:50] <newz2000> cjohnston: Do you know what I mean when I refer to the "critical path" in project management?
[16:50] <cjohnston> nope
[16:51] <newz2000> it is the parts of the project, and their order, that must be completed for the project to be a success
[16:51] <newz2000> (and cannot be cut out)
[16:51] <cjohnston> sounds logical enough
[16:51] <newz2000> So we need to define the critical parts and decide the order and dates that they will be done
[16:52] <cjohnston> ok...
[16:52] <newz2000> You start. :-)
[16:53] <cjohnston> so things like url structure, template, gather resources.. stuff like that?
[16:53] <cjohnston> and then obvoiusly code
[16:53] <newz2000> yeah
[16:54] <cjohnston> uggh.. wiki
[16:54] <newz2000> yeah, we're still getting slashdotted
[16:54] <cjohnston> Well.. URL structure needs to be near the top...
[16:54] <cjohnston> but that should be pretty easy
[16:55] <newz2000> I think that the URL structure can make the life of the js devs easier or harder depending on if it's well planned or not
[16:55] <cjohnston> there are two main parts of the project, that can be done at the same time or seperate are the coding and the gathering of resources/actual localizing..
[16:56] <cjohnston> since we determined last week that we dont really need the translations to code
[16:56] <cjohnston> I understand what your saying, but I don't know how... ;-)
[16:57] <newz2000> It may be appropriate to set up a meeting for people interested in the technical side.
[16:57] <cjohnston> Agreed...
[16:58] <newz2000> Some of the outcomes of that meeting should be:
[16:58] <newz2000>  a. Agree on a URL structure
[16:58] <newz2000>  b. Find out who will actually do the code
[16:58] <newz2000>  c. ???
[16:58] <newz2000>  d. Profit
[16:59] <newz2000> scratch that last one. ;-)
[16:59] <cjohnston> lol
[17:00] <cjohnston> by url structure, are you meaning something like w.u.c/Local/en_US?
[17:01] <newz2000> yeah
[17:01] <cjohnston> ok
[17:01] <newz2000> I think coming to that point implies some actual technical discussions about how the code will actually work
[17:02] <newz2000> So it might be good to start it on the mailing list
[17:02] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:03] <newz2000> the next part of the critical path will be...
[17:03] <cjohnston> So basically if the browser choice is es_MX then it would look for Local/es_MX, and if es_MX doesnt exist it would look for /Local/es?
[17:03] <newz2000> That seems to make sense to me
[17:03] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:04] <newz2000> Is the next step to create the Template to be localized?
[17:04] <cjohnston> Prior to that there needs to be a template..
[17:04] <cjohnston> But the template shouldnt be required prior to code.. nor code prior to template
[17:04] <newz2000> right
[17:06] <cjohnston> Since I cant work on the wiki.. http://etherpad.com/SoCfQHOdCn
[17:06] <cjohnston> my notes
[17:07] <cjohnston> Is it possible to have two critical path's.. one translation side and one code side?
[17:08] <cjohnston> possible is probably the wrong word.. valid I guess may be a better one
[17:08] <newz2000> we can do it however we want
[17:08] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:10] <cjohnston> On the technical side, I will definatly need help.. I'm sure that more needs to be added than just write code, test, implement
[17:10] <newz2000> well, what is needed from you is leadership
[17:10] <newz2000> so set dates, write emails, do follow up
[17:10] <cjohnston> right...
[17:12] <newz2000> I am at your disposal, so think of me as a resource
[17:13] <cjohnston> Should I leave the technical path until the meeting with the people interested and let them help determine what it should be?
[17:14] <newz2000> I would start like this...
[17:14] <newz2000> let's focus on the technical path first, getting it started
[17:14] <newz2000> then once it's rolling start the template and then the localization
[17:14] <cjohnston> Ok..
[17:14] <newz2000> we'll need cooperation between teams for that
[17:15] <newz2000> A good way to start would be to have a kick-off email to start discussions
[17:15] <newz2000> give an overview of the project, ask for specific help, and then start the planning for a meeting
[17:18] <cjohnston> is there a preferred language for this? js... anything else?
[17:18] <newz2000> js, definitely
[17:19] <cjohnston> completely in js?
[17:20] <newz2000> probably
[17:20] <cjohnston> ok..
[17:20] <cjohnston> I'll start writing the email now.. but not going to send out until I get back from vacation.
[17:20] <newz2000> ok
[17:21] <cjohnston> were you going to still send an email announcing the project and me as the leader? i think you had mentioned that at one point
[17:23] <newz2000> oh yeah, I can do that
[17:24] <newz2000> I will do that
[17:24] <newz2000> when do you come back from vacation?
[17:24] <cjohnston> Next Saturday.. the 13th is when I actually come back
[17:25]  * newz2000 checks his cal
[17:26] <newz2000> I will probably announce a week from tomorrow then
[17:26] <cjohnston> okie
[17:26] <cjohnston> and I'll shoot for the day after I get abck for my email
[17:26] <newz2000> ok
[17:27] <newz2000> Should we adjourn our meeting?
[17:27] <cjohnston> sure. :-)
[17:27] <newz2000> ok
[17:31]  * newz2000 goes to take a nap
[17:32] <cjohnston> ooo
[17:32] <cjohnston> that sounds fun
[17:32] <cjohnston> enjoy
[18:29] <cjohnston> the wiki is driving me nut
[18:29] <cjohnston> nuts
[19:13] <jamalta> hi there!
[19:14] <cjohnston> hey jamalta
[19:14] <cjohnston> newz2000: i forwarded you an email from jamalta... :-)
[19:15] <jamalta> just to confirm, ubuntu.com is on drupal, right?


[01:49] <sbalneav> Evening all
[14:16] <scart>
[14:16] <scart> hello, I have a serious problem I have Edubuntu working with a client server on the client came ltsp normal but a few days ago, when the customer goes up making the login screen and I write the user and passwd stays there.
[14:28] <scart> hello
[14:29] <scart> hello, I have a serious problem I have Edubuntu working with a client server on the client came ltsp normal but a few days ago, when the customer goes up making the login screen and I write the user and passwd stays there
[14:49] <sbalneav> Morning all


[02:34] <sakhm> hi, could someone help me with a build score? (my company paid for a priority one, but I'm not entirely sure if that expired)
[02:36] <wgrant> sakhm: Hi
[03:02] <thewrath> wgrant: when i use bzr and i add a bug resolved option the bug was not set to Fix Available. What am i doing right? Should the bug be in a particular state before I dot hat?
[03:03] <wgrant> thewrath: There's no "Fix Available" status. There's "Fix Committed", which most projects use to mean that the fix is in the trunk branch, but that's not automatically set by Launchpad.
[03:03] <thewrath> so  in bzr i say --fix lp:<bugID> really does nothing then?
[03:03] <thewrath> **bzr commit --fixes lp:1234 -m "..."
[03:09] <wgrant> thewrath: It links the branch to the bug, and many projects' tools use that metadata to eg. close bugs.
[03:09] <wgrant> When the code is released.
[03:09] <wgrant> But Launchpad doesn't do that itself.
[03:11] <thewrath> ok
[03:11] <thewrath> i was following this: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/tutorials/using_bazaar_with_launchpad.html#associating-a-branch-with-a-bug
[03:12] <jose> as the title says, associating a branch, not closing a bug with a branch :)
[03:12] <wgrant> Oh wow
[03:12] <wgrant> That's outdated
[03:12] <wgrant> By like 5 years
[03:12] <thewrath> jose: i see that but it sounds from what is on the page it will change the status of the bug
[03:12] <thewrath> ok
[03:13] <thewrath> thanks wgrant
[03:13] <wgrant> The link between a bug and a branch used to have a state of its own
[03:13] <wgrant> But that was removed long, long ago.
[03:13] <thewrath> k
[03:13] <jose> wgrant: is that a wiki or branched somewhere? or not maintained anymore?
[03:13] <thewrath> is the new one? http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.6/en/
[03:15] <wgrant> I believe those docs are generated from lp:bzr
[03:16] <jose> ok, thanks!
[03:16] <thewrath> so yea now it just does this: This records metadata in Bazaar linking the commit with bug 12345 in Launchpad.
[04:03] <lazyPower> hah, cool. bug 12345
[14:41] <fooctrl> is there any way to change launchpad username?
[14:52] <wgrant> fooctrl: https://launchpad.net/~/+edit
[14:53] <fooctrl> wgrant, this allows me to change my display name, is there any way to change the nickname/"Name"
[14:54] <wgrant> fooctrl: That's the name field.
[14:54] <wgrant> On that page.
[14:54] <wgrant> You can edit it unless you have PPAs. If you have PPAs, you must delete them first.
[14:55] <fooctrl> wgrant, yea I have PPA's, so once I remove them all I'll be able to edit the "Name" field as well?
[14:55] <wgrant> Yes.
[14:55] <fooctrl> awesome, tnx!
[17:50] <dobey> i really wish i could disable known broken recipes owned by other people