[12:55] <\sh> hmmm...actually it's 6pm in montreal..but this is  launchpad-dependencies (0.1breezy1) breezy-updates; urgency=low really hard
[01:42] <\sh> starting the merge run
[01:59] <LaserJock> ok, so what can a non-MOTU do to help with merges?
[02:02] <LaserJock> BTW, Kyral did you get that email I sent?
[02:02] <Kyral> yah
[02:02] <crimsun> minghua: the standard zai jian?
[02:02] <\sh> ok
[02:02] <\sh> what i do is the following
[02:02] <crimsun> (my client munges utf-8)
[02:02] <\sh> u see the topic, the last entry
[02:03] <LaserJock> \sh: yep
[02:03] <\sh> ok...go to the first list (without the
[02:03] <\sh> b
[02:03] <LaserJock> k
[02:03] <\sh> now...
[02:04] <\sh> u see the mom processes running
[02:04] <\sh> first one (3ddesktop)
[02:04] <\sh> is a 404
[02:04] <\sh> second one is main
[02:04] <\sh>  * Processing aalib
[02:04] <\sh>    - unstable: 1.4p5-29
[02:04] <\sh>    - main: 1.4p5-28ubuntu3
[02:04] <\sh> third one is 404
[02:04] <\sh> abiword is main
[02:05] <\sh> now
[02:05] <Kyral> Ace right?
[02:05] <\sh> * Processing ace
[02:05] <\sh>    - unstable: 5.4.7-5
[02:05] <\sh>    - universe: 5.4.7-3ubuntu1
[02:05] <\sh> ok...
[02:05] <\sh> are u all subscribed to universe-bugs?
[02:05] <LaserJock> yep
[02:05] <Kyral> I am
[02:05] <\sh> ok...
[02:05] <\sh> then u should see two bugs from me
[02:05] <\sh> the latest ones
[02:06] <Kyral> yup
[02:06] <\sh> Subject: 	[Bug 4012]  ace: merge new debian version
[02:06] <\sh> Date: 	Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:47:04 -0000  (01:47 CET)
[02:06] <\sh> and allegro4.1
[02:06] <\sh> right now I'm working on alleyoop
[02:06] <\sh> ok...what i'm doing
[02:06] <\sh> I file a bug in malone
[02:06] <\sh> assign the bug to universe-bugs (search for it)
[02:06] <\sh> and write a comment on the same page where the assignee is
[02:07] <\sh> Assignee: <nick>
[02:07] <\sh> if tested the stuff in my pbuilder and checked again, if the merge is necessary, or better a sync is requested
[02:07] <\sh> I'll put this as well in this comment
[02:07] <\sh> so if the merge is nescessary
[02:08] <Kyral> So how do we tell if a merge is needed?
[02:08] <Kyral> if it builds right?
[02:08] <\sh> then provide us motus (with upload rights) with a list of bugs of you in malone
[02:08] <\sh> please add to every bug the link to scotts html directory
[02:09] <\sh> which has the form: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/<source-packagename>
[02:09] <\sh> Kyral: ok...go to the directory
[02:09] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/alleyoop/
[02:10] <Kyral> yup
[02:10] <\sh> read the REPORT
[02:11] <Kyral> hmm...I can understand some of it
[02:11] <\sh> that is quite good for the beginning
[02:11] <\sh> the most important part is this
[02:11] <\sh> Check the following patch:
[02:11] <\sh> 	alleyoop_merged.patch  -- new changes in Ubuntu (0.9.0-3 -> 0.9.0-3ubuntu1)
[02:12] <\sh> ok...
[02:12] <\sh> if u see, that we changed in earlier ubuntu versions only some build-deps or deps
[02:12] <Kyral> Oh, so view the patch itself
[02:12] <\sh> check the debian patches first if they applied them already in the new version
[02:13] <\sh> sure
[02:13] <\sh> if they applied them (as I described it) then u can check the plain debian version from sid (unstable) get the package and compile the debian package
[02:14] <\sh> if there are more changes or separated patches applied (like in ace) u have to merge everything..check the changelog entries...ubuntu and debian changelogs MUST be in the right timeframe
[02:14] <\sh> if u check the ace directory and see the patches u will see, that MoM made a mistake and ruled out one debian version
[02:14] <\sh> THEN u have to manually change the changes between old ubuntu version and NEW debian version
[02:15] <\sh> which is hard
[02:15] <\sh> and U should work on the low hanging frute
[02:15] <\sh> fruit
[02:15] <Kyral> so basically run through, see if the Debian and Ubuntu patches agree, and file the bug?
[02:17] <\sh> yes..and file the bug before u do something
[02:17] <Kyral> so...see to see if it builds
[02:17] <\sh> check the merge directory of scott...provide this as describtion in the bug
[02:18] <minghua> crimsun: you mean Keybuk's quit message?
[02:18] <\sh> check in your local dapper pbuilder
[02:18] <Kyral> from Sid or from Dapper Source?
[02:18] <\sh> Kyral: if you have to merge changes...then use the version in scotts directory
[02:18] <Kyral> I mean I check what? Sid Source?
[02:19] <\sh> if the changes are trivial and are already applied in the new debian version..then take SIDs version and compile in dapper pbuilder
[02:19] <\sh> Kyral: in scotts directory are .dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz
[02:19] <Kyral> yup yup
[02:20] <Kyral> I'm looking at alsoplayer now
[02:20] <Kyral> alsaplayer even
[02:20] <\sh> Kyral: if you see trivial changes which are now applied in the debian version, and u think we can sync...then SIDs version of the package...if not, use the source version from scott
[02:20] <\sh> Kyral: and only check Universe packages
[02:20] <\sh> NO MAIN PACKAGES
[02:20] <crimsun> minghua: yes
[02:20] <Kyral> I know
[02:21] <Kyral> alsaplayer is in Universe :D
[02:21] <minghua> crimsun: no, a very strange phrase, see my comments in #ubuntu-devel
[02:22] <Kyral> Yah I don't think the changes in Alsaplayer are trivial....
[02:22] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[02:22] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[02:22] <crimsun> minghua: my irc client munges the glyphs, so it's nonsensical to me
[02:23] <Kyral> so grab Scotts version, try building it, then file the bug?
[02:23] <crimsun> Kyral/ LaserJock: fwiw, I'm working from the bottom up, beginning with zsi.
[02:23] <\sh> first file the bug
[02:23] <\sh> so we can see who is working on what
[02:24] <\sh> and provide the url to scotts directory
[02:25] <crimsun> \sh: are we using a specific title convention?
[02:25] <crimsun> like [Dapper MOM] : zsi needs sync from Debian Sid (1.7-1)
[02:25] <Kyral> the search in Launchpad for "universe-bugs" turned up MOTU Team
[02:25] <bmonty> can someone help clarify the policy for staying synced with debian?  Do we want to try to not make -ubuntuX versions of packages and push our patches to debian to sync, or should I just make patches for ubuntu?
[02:26] <\sh> crimsun: <source-packagename>: merge new debian version
[02:26] <bmonty> Kyral: that is correct
[02:26] <crimsun> \sh: gotcha
[02:26] <\sh> bmonty: if possible push all changes to debian...
[02:27] <\sh> bmonty: but if debian is not fast enough do it as normal...apply the patch and create an ubuntu package
[02:27] <bmonty> \sh: do we want to wait for the debian maintainer to accept the patch and upload, or just push the patch to them?
[02:27] <bmonty> how long would be considered a reasonable time to wait?
[02:27] <\sh> bmonty: push them to the maintainer via bts
[02:27] <\sh> bmonty: max. 2 days ,)
[02:27] <bmonty> like right now in the beginning of the dev cycle I think we can wait longer than towards the end
[02:28] <\sh> which is in ubuntu time a year :)
[02:28] <\sh> bmonty: we only have 6 weeks for open development
[02:28] <\sh> bmonty: which is packed with merges, new stuff etc.
[02:28] <bmonty> \sh: I've been opening debian bugs and then attaching them to malone bugs (kinda inefficient)
[02:28] <Kyral> So file the bug as "alsaplayer: merge new debian version"
[02:29] <bmonty> \sh: so basically we are still making an ubuntu version no matter what...but making an extra effort to push the patches to debian
[02:29] <\sh> bmonty: what do u want? if u need to patch a package then push the bug to debian...merging .. file a bug to malone now...do the merge.
[02:29] <Kyral> and in Description: put the link to Scotts directory
[02:30] <\sh> bmonty: what patch are u talking about? most trivial ones, like changed build-deps or cxx stuff is already in debian
[02:30] <Kyral> then assign it to MOTU and explaination "Assignee: Kyral"
[02:30] <Kyral> right?
[02:30] <\sh> bmonty: other patches are already catched by utnubu
[02:30] <bmonty> \sh: more should I wait to ask one of you guys to upload a patch until after I have a response from the debian maintainer, or just work like I did for breezy
[02:30] <\sh> bmonty: only new patches we should push towards debian right now
[02:30] <crimsun> Kyral: yes, but make sure you ask for a merge for at least -7
[02:30] <crimsun> Kyral: (should be implicit by requesting a sync)
[02:30] <Kyral> It looks like it needs a merge
[02:31] <Kyral> I just need to build it to make sure it builds ;D
[02:31] <\sh> bmonty: provide a list with your malone bugs filed ... during the week I'll take all the bugs and check them all (which means u, bmonty, i will upload unchecked :))
[02:31] <Kyral> gotta file the bug first right? :D
[02:31] <bmonty> \sh: example...I made a patch for wesnoth that fixes the test scenario, I have an ubuntu version of the package, but since I think it is a packaging omission on the part of the debian maintainer I filed a bug in BTS
[02:32] <Kyral> so sync if the changes are trivial
[02:32] <\sh> bmonty: ok...this is something...well...if the debian maintainer is fast enough...we can wait for him to sync
[02:32] <Kyral> merge if they aren't trivial
[02:32] <\sh> bmonty: if he's not responding in 2 days...then prepare a package and give us a debdiiff from last version to your version...
[02:33] <bmonty> \sh: k that makes sense
[02:33] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsaplayer/+bug/4018 <--Like that?
[02:33] <bmonty> here is another one...I packaged the newest version of gphpedit (#3099) and put it on REVU
[02:34] <bmonty> I also emailed the debian maintainer and he said that he has also packaged the newest version, but the DD he works with is too busy to upload the new package
[02:34] <bmonty> gphpedit is completely useless without the upgrade
[02:34] <\sh> Kyral: yes...assign it now to universe-bugs
[02:35] <\sh> and write status notes
[02:35] <bmonty> and set the status to accepted
[02:35] <Kyral> with Explination: Assignee Kyral in status
[02:35] <Kyral> right?
[02:35] <bmonty> or a comment that says you are working on it
[02:35] <\sh> status notes is better
[02:35] <\sh> that we can see in the bug report by mail
[02:36] <Kyral> Done
[02:36] <bmonty> status notes are ok, but IMHO are less intuitive than a comment on the main page
[02:36] <\sh> for a comment i get two mails.
[02:36] <\sh> for a status note I get only one mail :)
[02:37] <bmonty> \sh: true, malone does like to generate a lot of email!
[02:37] <Kyral> Now to download from scott's dir and build this thing
[02:37] <Kyral> if it builds tell you guys?
[02:38] <LaserJock> I have a package that says it needs GTK+ 2.4 so does libgtk2.0-dev (=> 2.4.0) work?
[02:38] <Kyral> I'll work from the top down BTW
[02:38] <minghua> bmonty: maybe you can offer to collaborate with the Debian maintainer of gphpedit
[02:38] <\sh> bmonty: well..it can do more
[02:38] <crimsun> LaserJock: yes
[02:38] <bmonty> minghua: I did, just no response :)
[02:39] <crimsun> LaserJock: except you'd use >=
[02:39] <Kyral> what do I do if it builds/fails?
[02:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: thanks
[02:39] <crimsun> Kyral: you ask. I'll look at alsaplayer if it fails; I was planning to ask for a sync this week
[02:39] <bmonty> minghua: same issue with uim....
[02:39] <minghua> bmonty: okay.
[02:39] <Kyral> and if it passes?
[02:40] <minghua> bmonty: I know the uim maintainer is busy
[02:40] <crimsun> if it passes, update the bug report and let one of us with upload privs know
[02:40] <bmonty> minghua: no doubt, I'm just trying to figure out how long to wait
[02:40] <bmonty> uim is kind of a moot point since it was uploaded to dapper today by Martin Pitt
[02:40] <minghua> bmonty: so the gphpedit maintainer just replied one mail to you and didn't reply further requests?
[02:41] <bmonty> minghua: correct
[02:41] <LaserJock> what is the difference between mom.20051107.log and mom.20051107b.log ?
[02:41] <Kyral> I'll build it as soon as my PBuilders finish updating
[02:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: ask again, he flooded off
[02:44] <Kyral> Here goes nothing
[02:45] <Kyral> So while I wait for this to compile, who has tried E17?
[02:45] <\sh> ok
[02:45] <\sh> when your package is uploaded (please make sure your all whitelisted for breezy changes)
[02:45] <\sh> aeh dapper changes
[02:45] <\sh> u are as well reponsible to check the buildd logs
[02:45] <\sh> which can be found here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs
[02:45] <Kyral> whitelisted?
[02:45] <LaserJock> what is the difference between mom.20051107.log and mom.20051107b.log ?
[02:45] <\sh> but better to look here: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[02:45] <Kyral> Already have it bookmarked ;P
[02:46] <\sh> the b.log file is for all packages which had 404 in the file without the b
[02:46] <Kyral> I'm not even a MOTU, how do I get whitelisted
[02:46] <Kyral> \sh you showed farrium and I that site at Ubuntu Love I think ;P
[02:47] <Kyral> How do I get whitelisted?
[02:48] <Kyral> Got it! Alsaplayer builds in my Dapper PBuilder
[02:48] <LaserJock> Kyral: well, I asked elmo for breezy but he said that it was irrelivent because of launchpad
[02:48] <\sh> Kyral: with elmo...
[02:48] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[02:48] <\sh> oh
[02:48] <\sh> LaserJock: are u member?
[02:48] <\sh> then it's irrelevant
[02:48] <LaserJock> \sh: of what
[02:48] <\sh> LaserJock: ubuntu
[02:49] <Kyral> Neither of us are Ubuntu Members
[02:49] <LaserJock> \sh: nope
[02:49] <\sh> ok...lets try it later
[02:49] <Kyral> We are the two super trainees of the MOTU gang ;P
[02:49] <LaserJock> but I was whitelisted for breezy anyway
[02:49] <crimsun> Kyral: the only merge that should have been necessary is the glu one
[02:49] <LaserJock> Kyral: well, I don't know about "super" ;-)
[02:49] <bmonty> LaserJock: you are whitelisted then
[02:50] <Kyral> crimsun, the debian patch file looked a lot different than the Ubuntu one ;P
[02:50] <crimsun> Kyral: the debian patch has significant advantages
[02:50] <Kyral> ah
[02:50] <crimsun> Kyral: in fact, you would be best working from -7 and working in the ubuntu diff
[02:50] <Kyral> so I should only pay attention to the merge.patch
[02:51] <Kyral> -7?
[02:51] <crimsun> (just as an ALSA-centric person)
[02:51] <crimsun> -7 in sid
[02:51] <Kyral> so look in ubuntu.debdiff?
[02:52] <\sh> Kyral: check the merged one
[02:52] <Kyral> okay
[02:52] <Kyral> so if I only see changelog entry differences, then its a SYNC
[02:52] <\sh> Kyral: merges are the highest discipline
[02:52] <Kyral> if anything else its a MERGE
[02:52] <Kyral> correct?
[02:53] <Kyral> (trying to fit this into a quick sort type thing for my mind)
[02:53] <\sh> Kyral: no...u have to check as well the debian/control in the debdiff..
[02:53] <crimsun> Kyral: just skip alsaplayer, I'll merge it
[02:53] <\sh> Kyral: think about the gl/glu transition in ubuntu which hasn't happend in debian yet
[02:53] <Kyral> okay
[02:53] <\sh> crimsun: hehe...old pro
[02:54] <Kyral> so...
[02:54] <Kyral> if only Control and Changelog are changed its a sync?
[02:54] <\sh> amile
[02:54] <\sh> amule
[02:54] <\sh> Kyral: no
[02:55] <\sh> Kyral: if the changes in control are the same in debian and in the ubuntu diff...then i could be a sync..u have to check :)
[02:55] <LaserJock> Kyral: my understanding is, if the reason there was a ubuntuX is fixed by syncing then that is what needs to be done
[02:56] <LaserJock> otherwise, fix the sid package to fix what was fixed by Ubuntu before
[02:56] <\sh> hehehe
[02:57] <Kyral> Someone just set down really easy rules I can follow
[02:57] <Kyral> if ( this ) else if (this) else (this)
[02:59] <\sh> Kyral: believe me when I say...i had the headache just after the cxx transition
[02:59] <\sh> in breezy
[02:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: I see it as "minimize the number of ubuntuX versions" or the Debian/Ubuntu delta
[02:59] <Kyral> Oh I can believe it
[02:59] <Kyral> so..I'm looking at ardour
[03:00] <LaserJock> man, who is going to have fun with zope? *g*
[03:01] <Kyral> In the merge.debdiff I only see the control and changelog entries
[03:02] <Kyral> and the debian.debdiff is 19 megabytes....
[03:02] <crimsun> leave ardour. In fact, leave anything that build-depends on libjack*-dev
[03:02] <\sh> hehehe
[03:02] <\sh> yeah
[03:02] <crimsun> we need to transition to libjack0.100.0-dev first
[03:02] <Kyral> Yah I battled with libjack
[03:03] <Kyral> when I tried to do Mixxx
[03:03] <Kyral> umm, okay
[03:03] <Kyral> whats up with axiom
[03:03] <Kyral> there is no REPORT, no merge.debdiff
[03:04] <Kyral> what is this? A Sync?
[03:06] <Kyral> I think I should sit this one out
[03:07] <\sh> Kyral: is it 404 ?
[03:07] <Kyral> no
[03:07] <Kyral> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/axiom/
[03:08] <Kyral> the log SAYS it generated a merge.debdiff
[03:09] <\sh> Kyral: don't touch it...there is nothing inside...ask keybuk tomorrow montreal time :)
[03:09] <Kyral> \sh, you forget
[03:09] <Kyral> Montreal Time is also my time :P
[03:09] <crimsun> yeah, MOM sometimes takes a vacation to $random
[03:09] <Kyral> Seems more like /dev/null this time
[03:09] <magnon> hey \sh
[03:10] <\sh> Kyral: ok..keybuk should be at lunch
[03:10] <crimsun> certainly a valid value for $random
[03:10] <\sh> aeh dinner
[03:10] <\sh> hey magnon
[03:10] <magnon> I can't sleep :( jetlag
[03:10] <Kyral> So can I put the alsa thing on my Wikipage?
[03:10] <\sh> magnon: ah come on..
[03:10] <\sh> I slept 16 hours from day before yesterday to yesterday
[03:10] <magnon> so did I
[03:11] <magnon> but I wasn't up before 2pm
[03:11] <bmonty> magnon: a dose of Nyquil and a couple of beers is a great way to cure jetlag
[03:12] <magnon> I would never take a dose of anything, and \sh bought be enough beer already
[03:12] <Kyral> Okay...if a patch dropped its a bad thing right...
[03:12] <\sh> magnon: what? beer and pizzy at hubs place?
[03:12] <magnon> no
[03:12] <magnon> the large one at the airport
[03:12] <\sh> magnon: ah...come on..nothing that is
[03:13] <\sh> magnon: I just drank beer today
[03:13] <magnon> plus three gt's and two beer more paid by mez and jblack :P
[03:13] <LaserJock> I can't seem to upload the same version of package to REVU dput goes OK but I don't see it
[03:13] <Kyral> dput -f
[03:14] <\sh> rm *.upload
[03:14] <\sh> ok...ace is done
[03:14] <\sh> amule still building
[03:14] <magnon> \sh: you can't sleep either it seems
[03:14] <\sh> so one last cigarette for today
[03:14] <magnon> oh, that sounds nice
[03:14] <\sh> magnon: oh well...I just got up at 6
[03:15] <magnon> haha
[03:15] <magnon> ok
[03:15] <\sh> reclaimed my luggage, went to the county court, and tried to get rid of my inheritage claim of more depts I could pay...I payed now 100 eur to not take the inheritage
[03:16] <\sh> just because I was too late, but could show them, that I wasn't in germany
[03:16] <bmonty> \sh: at least reason prevaled :)
[03:16] <\sh> but after amule I go to bed
[03:16] <magnon> reason always costs about 100 eur
[03:17] <Kyral> or drunk, could be
[03:17] <Kyral> s/drunk/tired
[03:18] <ajmitch> hi
[03:18] <magnon> ajmitch!
[03:18] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:18] <magnon> you suddenly disappeared :/
[03:19] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[03:19] <ajmitch> yes, I got a plane, I said I was leaving about 12
[03:19] <\sh> back in NZ?
[03:19] <ajmitch> nope
[03:19] <ajmitch> US
[03:19] <\sh> oh
[03:19] <\sh> visiting bddebian?
[03:19] <\sh> where is he btw
[03:19] <ajmitch> he's in pennsylvania
[03:20] <tseng> you are with bdebian?
[03:20] <ajmitch> no, I'm not
[03:20] <tseng> for how long?
[03:20] <ajmitch> I'm in NY
[03:20] <tseng> oh.
[03:20] <tseng> bddebian is very close to me
[03:20] <ajmitch> yes, where?
[03:20] <tseng> central pennsylvania
[03:20] <tseng> West Chester
[03:21] <tseng> next to philadelphia
[03:21] <tseng> he is in valley forge
[03:21] <ajmitch> ok, about 4 & 1/2 hours from here, apparantly
[03:21] <tseng> ya =/
[03:21] <magnon> corey :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> brb, just installed breezy here, going to check if XP still operates
[03:23] <magnon> haha, this is so cute
[03:23] <magnon> http://www.nsa.gov/kids/home_html.cfm
[03:27] <Kyral> okay...why did when I try to install cvs, it wants to remove x11-proto?
[03:27] <\sh> ok....done for now/
[03:27] <\sh> sleeping time....
[03:27] <\sh> cu later
[03:28] <Kyral> seriously
[03:28] <Kyral> why does installing cvs remove x11proto-gl-dev?
[03:28] <Kyral> psh its aptitude being an idiot
[03:32] <Kyral> I guess I need root to compile E17
[03:34] <minghua> what if the changes in hoary can be dropped?
[03:34] <minghua> I am looking at the packages I worked on C++ transtition
[03:34] <minghua> one of them is libmath++, and the debian version finished the transition as well
[03:35] <crimsun> we always prefer the Debian version
[03:35] <minghua> I think we can just use the new debian version
[03:35] <crimsun> if it tests ok to you, then we can just sync it
[03:36] <Kyral> crimsun
[03:36] <Kyral> is that my stupid easy rule?
[03:37] <Kyral> :P
[03:37] <Kyral> if the Sid builds in Dapper PBuilder sync it?
[03:37] <minghua> crimsun: ok, I'll test it and report back later (no access to ubuntu machine now)
[03:37] <minghua> Kyral: I suppose you need to make sure that no changes in the ubuntu patch is worth keeping?
[03:38] <Kyral> I dunno, I'm new at this whole thing
[03:38] <Kyral> and I doubt I will be doing anymore compiling tonight
[03:39] <Kyral> seeing as I'm compiling E17 from CVS right now ;P
[04:22] <Kyral> I just want to stabbity them
[04:22] <dredg> what's checkinstall?
[04:23] <Kyral> a shitass method for making Debian Packages
[04:23] <Kyral> you should be shot if you use it
[04:24] <dredg> a quick google has left me scared
[04:24] <dredg> people use that?
[04:25] <Kyral> Oh what does Google say?
[04:25] <LaserJock> ok, I can't for the life of me get REVU to show a new upload of the same version
[04:25] <dredg> http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[04:26] <Yagisan> IIRC it used to be promoted as a quick and easy way to make debs on the forums
[04:26] <Kyral> Yah it was
[04:26] <Kyral> and people still use it
[04:26] <Kyral> and guess where the offender came from this time?
[04:26] <Yagisan> forums ?
[04:27] <Kyral> Bingo
[04:27] <Kyral> dredg, I cannot hit that link
[04:27] <Yagisan> Kyral: I could, but it will horrify you
[04:27] <Yagisan> Kyral: what did they "package"
[04:27] <Kyral> eh?
[04:28] <Kyral> GAIM 2.0 CVS
[04:28] <crimsun> ;(
[04:29] <crimsun> well, we do give you enough rope to hang yourself...
[04:29] <LaserJock> could I get a MOTU to review a package (plotdrop) on REVU for me?
[04:30] <Kyral> I mean, if you are using it just so you can uninstall something easy, thats fine
[04:30] <crimsun> doing merge work atm; I'll try to look at REVU later
[04:30] <Kyral> but if you plan to share the package you should be shot
[04:31] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, the package I am packaging now (plotdrop) has a checkinstall .deb posted at the homepage
[04:31] <Kyral> How can you tell if a Deb is Checkinstalled?
[04:32] <minghua> no /usr/share/doc/<package_name>/copyright, I suppose?
[04:32] <crimsun> yeah, general sloppiness
[04:32] <LaserJock> Kyral: well, I can't remember now, but I am sure there was something about it
[04:34] <LaserJock> oh, now I remember. Under Section it will have checkinstall
[04:34] <Kyral> lol
[04:35] <crimsun> we could "adjust" dpkg to refuse to install packages with such a Section
[04:37] <bmonty> if a user wants to install a checkinstall package, they should be free to do it
[04:37] <minghua> maybe have dpkg to give a big fat warning for Section:checkinstall is not a bad idea after all, but don't refuse to install it
[04:38] <bmonty> i like that idea
[04:42] <LaserJock> I use it for local packages that I install. It is handy for that. But I would never distribute something I made using it
[04:42] <Kyral> Yah...
[04:43] <Kyral> if someone handed me a CheckInstall Package, I'd hit'em with a copy of the New Maintainers Guide
[04:43] <LaserJock> lol, I can imagine that
[04:43] <Kyral> It would be like
[04:44] <Kyral> "You insult the Debian Gods! I smacketh thou down!"
[04:47] <LaserJock> I sure wish I could get REVU down. It is kinda frustrating. I feel really dumb
[04:50] <bmonty> I'm doing a merge of bzflag
[04:50] <Kyral> I'm reading CTRL+ALT+DEL
[05:12] <crimsun> bmonty: / minghua: That was more tongue-in-cheek than serious
[05:13] <bmonty> :)
[05:14] <minghua> I'm half-serious :-)
[05:18] <bmonty> how can I sign a changes file made from a pbuilder?
[05:19] <Kyral> It should sign automatically
[05:19] <Mithrandir> or just use debsign.
[05:19] <crimsun> use debsign -k<keyid>
[05:19] <bmonty> debisgn worked, thanks
[05:27] <bmonty> I uploaded a merged bzflag to REVU if anyone wants to take a look
[05:53] <Kyral> I gotta stop reading BOFH
[05:53] <Kyral> Its making me think DarkSide Hacker thoughts
[06:03] <LaserJock> dang, I wish you could find the Malone bugs you have commented on or at least subscribed to
[06:03] <Kyral> Yah
[06:03] <Kyral> I suggested that at Ubuntu Love
[06:03] <Kyral> SHOWER TIME!
[06:12] <LaserJock> could somebody look at bug #3252 ?
[06:16] <minghua> If I want to confirm a merge from debian (dropping all previous ubuntu changes), should I file a launchpad bug first as well?
[06:19] <Lathiat> no, only if its already got a bug
[06:21] <minghua> Lathiat: cool, thanks
[06:25] <Kyral> Hmm
[06:25] <Kyral> I am feeling BOFHish
[06:29] <Kyral> But...I cannot indulge my darkside
[06:31] <minghua> Okay, I've tested the build.
[06:31] <minghua> how should I request a sync for libmath++ 0.0.4-2 from debian?  all previous ubuntu changes should be dropped
[06:32] <crimsun> minghua: ask elmo in -devel and say as much or send him an e-mail
[06:34] <minghua> crimsun: thanks.  I've asked on #ubuntu-devel, will send email if I don't get reply
[06:54] <zakame> afternoon all :D
[06:55] <Yagisan> G'day zakame
[06:57] <zakame> what's up?
[06:59] <Yagisan> zakame: not much it seems.
[07:06] <seth_k> siretart, when you come back: I have uploaded a package signed with my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>key ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=884 ) but when I try to recover password<EMAIL_ADDRESS>) then it's blank. Any idea?
[08:19] <pef> hello
[08:20] <zakame> hi pef :D
[08:20] <pef> zakame: hi, you never sleep ? :]
[08:21] <zakame> pef: hehe no, I still do, 'tis too hard not to :D
[08:34] <siretart> morning
[08:34] <siretart> uuuh, so many hilights
[08:35] <pef> siretart: one more
[08:35] <pef> :)
[08:35] <siretart> hi pef :)
[08:35] <pef> siretart: hello :)
[08:36] <zakame> hi siretart , wb pef
[08:38] <zakame> wb siretart
[08:38] <siretart> hi zakame
[08:39] <pef> zakame: are you a bot ? :]
[08:39] <zakame> pef: buwhahaha
[08:39] <pef> :D
[08:44] <Nafallo> lol
[08:52] <siretart> woah, we are db2 certified. w00t!
[08:52] <zakame> yeah, 'tis was in -devel earlier :D
[08:55] <zakame> it is also now on the main site, with the DB2 logo now on it :)
[08:55] <siretart> :)
[08:56] <zakame> wb dholbach
[08:56] <siretart> ... "ubuntu is an acient African word, meaning 'I'm sick of compiling gentoo'.. " *g*
[08:56] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[08:56] <zakame> siretart: hahaha
[08:56] <dholbach> hellas zakame
[08:56] <dholbach> hi siretart
[08:56] <dholbach> hey everybody else
[08:56] <siretart> :)
[08:58] <hunger> siretart: Well, if you are not you can always become a maintainer:-)
[08:58] <zakame> ei hunger
[08:58] <siretart> hunger: I'll think about it
[08:59] <zakame> hmmm, where do I propose membership for motu?
[09:00] <zakame> I read in MaintainerCandidates that LP's ubuntu-dev team's the way to go, but I also see a motu team as well...
[09:01] <siretart> do some works, get your packages uploaded, propose yourself to the CC, do some more work, propose yourself to the TB, and you'll get added to ubuntu-dev team
[09:01] <Nafallo> zakame: member != motu :-)
[09:01] <Nafallo> ehm, ignore me :-P
[09:01] <zakame> ah, ok :)
[09:01] <Nafallo> motu is for bugs, ubuntu-dev is for rights :-)
[09:01] <siretart> I didn't exactly get where ubuntu-dev != MOTU, dholbach do you have a short rationale?
[09:02] <dholbach> siretart: Nafallo said it
[09:02] <siretart> s/where/why/
[09:02] <siretart> okay
[09:02] <siretart> dholbach: so we can add anyone interested in MOTU?
[09:03] <dholbach> with motu subteams, i think that's already the case
[09:03] <siretart> I think I get the problem..
[09:03] <dholbach> we should think about this properly
[09:03] <Nafallo> hunger: wow. and you did actually survive?
[09:03] <hunger> I wanted to continue with my debs yesterday night... just to discover that I need to download a tiny little snipplet of code from the net.
[09:04] <zakame> hunger: awww
[09:04] <hunger> Nafallo: I do have internet in the company... enough to chat, but that's it.
[09:04] <Nafallo> wow
[09:04] <Nafallo> suicide is always an option, I think? ;-)
[09:04] <hunger> Downloading, chatting, etc. not allowed.
[09:05] <Nafallo> like "gimme internet or I'll be gone!"
[09:06] <hunger> At least I can do some limited downloads that way, too... if I don't overdo it and get the network admins on my track.
[09:16] <zakame> thanks folks, bbl
[09:20] <hunger> Downloading a kernel image with 460byte/s is no fun!
[09:21] <Nafallo> no shit :-P
[10:10] <siretart> \sh_away: around?
[10:10] <Nafallo> siretart: he's clearly away ;-)
[10:11] <siretart> Nafallo: obviously
[10:11] <Nafallo> since that nick gets set when he's disconnected from the dircproxy ;-)
[10:45] <poningru> hey who here is looking into testing stuff
[10:45] <poningru> as in creation of standardized testing or something
[10:45] <poningru> I was reading through couple of emails on the list and I saw someone talking about it
[10:45] <poningru> wondering if we are still interested in this
[11:24] <zyga> hello
[11:29] <zakame> hi zyga
[11:37] <\sh> moins
[11:38] <zakame> eves
[11:39] <siretart> hey \sh
[11:47] <dholbach> who of you avahi people will package http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-user-share/0.6/gnome-user-share-0.6.tar.gz ? :)
[11:48] <dholbach> or shall i do it?
[11:48] <Lathiat> dholbach: hah
[11:48] <Lathiat> dholbach: a release with my patch?
[11:48] <Lathiat> dholbach: i can do that
[11:49] <dholbach> Lathiat: rock'n'roll
[11:49] <Lathiat> i have a real job atm :( haha
[11:49] <dholbach> Lathiat: i will REVU it as soon as it's uploaded
[11:49] <Lathiat> its a whole new concept ;)
[11:49] <dholbach> Lathiat: it's horrible, isn't it? :)
[11:50] <dholbach> Lathiat: just ping me, when you uploaded it
[11:50] <Lathiat> sure
[11:55] <slomo> i could do it too if you don't have enough time for it atm
[11:56] <dholbach> slomo, Lathiat: maybe you can base the package on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/gnome/gnome-user-share
[11:56] <Lathiat> yeh we already ahve one
[11:56] <Lathiat> its not much different
[11:57] <Lathiat> should just be able to dump the new tarball in
[11:57] <Lathiat> modify the build-deps
[11:57] <Lathiat> and off you go
[11:57] <dholbach> (and change the FSF adress) :-p
[11:57] <dholbach> debian seems to care much about that change
[11:57] <zakame> dholbach: of course they do :D
[11:57] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, then you do it =) shouldn't need that much time
[11:58] <dholbach> if you don't change much to the packaging, just upload it
[11:58] <hunger> HI selinium
[11:58] <dholbach> it's not really new
[11:59] <slomo> *shrug*
[11:59] <selinium> hi hunger
[11:59] <selinium> :)
[11:59] <dholbach> slomo: ?
[11:59] <slomo> Lathiat: i'll do it now if you don't mind... i have nothing to do in the next hour
[12:00] <Lathiat> slomo: go ahead
[12:00] <Lathiat> i have plenty to do ;)
[12:01] <slomo> hmm... i'll give it to ajmitch afterwards ;) maybe we can get this into debian too
[12:09] <slomo> hmm, shall i keep jdub as maintainer?
[12:10] <slomo> dholbach?
[12:10] <dholbach> slomo: ask him
[12:10] <dholbach> if you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to be the maintainer, ask him and go for it
[12:11] <slomo> i don't want it ;) but i don't know if he still wants to be the maintainer...
[12:11] <slomo> so let's keep him until he complains? ;)
[12:13] <dholbach> you might have to ask elmo to remove it from random-blacklist
[12:13] <dholbach> slomo: ask him
[12:13] <slomo> ok
[12:13] <slomo> hm, he isn't in -devel :(
[12:13] <slomo> let's write a mail...
[12:17] <slomo> dholbach: ok, package ready to be uploaded... i'll wait for his answer and upload it then
[12:18] <dholbach> slomo: cool
[12:18] <slomo> hmm, does malone already have a search function which searches for a string somewhere in the bugreport?
[12:24] <dholbach> slomo: i suppose it searches in short and long description
[12:25] <slomo> hm ok
[12:25] <sivang> siretart: how do I know if a package on he MOM list has already been fixed, touched?
[12:26] <Lathiat> you could see what version it was trying to merge
[12:26] <Lathiat> and confirm..
[12:26] <dholbach> sivang: the bug should be closed and you should see via apt-cache show ... | grep Version
[12:26] <slomo> sivang: look at the corresponding bugreport in bugzilla
[12:26] <Lathiat> that ours is the same or new
[12:26] <Lathiat> slomo: bug reports were slackly udpated
[12:26] <siretart> sivang: check the ubuntu-bugs mailing list
[12:29] <\sh> slomo: for universe there ARE NO BUGS FOR UNIVERSE
[12:30] <sivang> dholbach: what would I see there on the version?
[12:30] <\sh> again....MoM filed no  Universe Merges into bugzilla
[12:30] <\sh> only for main there are bugs in bugzilla
[12:30] <dholbach> sivang: the version that is in the archive
[12:30] <dholbach> sivang: last version that was touched (if you're on dapper)
[12:31] <Nafallo> \sh: you should have that in topic :-P
[12:31] <\sh> Nafallo: I'm just working on a wiki page
[12:31] <Nafallo> ah, nice :-
[12:31] <Nafallo> with the output of the grep? :-)
[12:32] <tseng> grep --color :)
[12:39] <\sh> Nafallo: no
[12:39] <\sh> Nafallo: there is just more to do as just an grep
[12:39] <\sh> s/an/a/
[12:41] <Nafallo> k
[12:43] <\sh> phew
[12:43] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge
[12:54] <dholbach> slomo: new upstream release: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-user-share/0.7/gnome-user-share-0.7.tar.gz
[01:26] <janimo> dholbach, evince FTBFS ;)
[01:41] <\sh> laters
[01:53] <dholbach> janimo: nice
[01:56] <Kyral> Mornin'
[01:56] <Kyral> mmm....new Cedega....
[01:57] <Nafallo> Linux.Ubuntu.5.10.Breezy.Badger.MULTILANG.2005.Install-LiNiSO
[01:57] <Nafallo> WTF!?
[01:57] <Kyral> ??
[01:57] <dholbach> janimo: broken archive / broken buildd
[01:57] <janimo> broken archive?
[01:58] <Nafallo> some group released 5.10 as a scene release :-P
[01:58] <janimo> hmm maybe the cause of BADSIG warnings since 2 days ago?
[01:58] <highvoltage> scene release?
[01:58] <janimo> and no new packages even if ther are uploads?
[01:59] <Nafallo> yepp, scene release.
[01:59] <Kyral> wazzat
[01:59] <Nafallo> they usally doesn't do free stuff ;-)
[02:00] <Kyral> Whats a scene releases?
[02:01] <Nafallo> a group of guys ripping non-free stuff like movies, music, programs and games over ftp-servers.
[02:01] <Nafallo> s/over/and uploading to warez /
[02:03] <Nafallo> welcometothescene might give some insight ;-)
[02:03] <Nafallo> .com that is
[02:04] <Kyral> And they released a debpack?
[02:04] <Nafallo> nope, a scene-release of our free iso.
[02:05] <Kyral> And is this a good or bad thing?
[02:05] <Nafallo> nope, more like a stupid thing :-)
[02:05] <Lathiat> Nafallo: hahahaha
[02:06] <Kyral> A group of people who release normally legally questionable stuff released an Ubuntu ISO
[02:06] <Nafallo> yepp :-P
[02:06] <Kyral> more like defeating the purpose of the scene
[02:06] <Lathiat> Nafallo: welcometothescene.com is boring
[02:06] <Lathiat> welcometotehscene.com <-- interesting :
[02:06] <Lathiat> :) rather
[02:06] <Nafallo> tsss ;-)
[02:06] <Kyral> Man I hope my Shipit CDs come soon
[02:06] <Nafallo> I tried to watch the first they of tehscene :-P
[02:07] <Nafallo> s/they/videos/ (what was I REALLY going to write there?)
[02:07] <Nafallo> Kyral: if soon == 6.04, sure ;-)
[02:08] <Kyral> Clarkson has an Open House this weekend
[02:08] <Kyral> How awesome would it be to pass out Ubuntu CDs to the parents ;P
[02:08] <Nafallo> is that a school?
[02:08] <Kyral> Yah my university
[02:09] <Kyral> I mean the parents of the Computer Science hopefuls
[02:09] <Nafallo> make the principle pay for x number of empty cds and start burning then :-)
[02:09] <Kyral> Its a college :P
[02:09] <Kyral> www.clarkson.edu
[02:09] <Nafallo> so? ;-)
[02:09] <Kyral> Its a farkin' Open House
[02:10] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[02:10] <Kyral> You give out burned CDs at InstallFests
[02:10] <Tonio_> does anyone now about freenx ?
[02:10] <Kyral> not at Open Houses
[02:10] <Kyral> Tonio_, I do
[02:10] <Tonio_> okay
[02:10] <Tonio_> is there a reason that no package exists at the moment ?
[02:10] <Tonio_> that sounds very astonishing to me....
[02:11] <Kyral> I dunno
[02:11] <Kyral> and I have to get going
[02:11] <Kyral> I have class in an hour
[02:11] <Tonio_> ok
[02:11] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[02:11] <Kyral> I'd suspect its a licensing issue thou
[02:12] <Tonio_> hum, I'll have a look ;)
[02:12] <Tonio_> Kyral: it is hosted on berlios and GPL
[02:12] <Tonio_> there shouldn't be any issue packaging it
[02:13] <Kyral> Then ask Seveas to merge his package into Dapper
[02:13] <Tonio_> http://freenx.berlios.de/download.php
[02:13] <Tonio_> yep, packages do exist.... they just have to be merged...
[02:14] <Kyral> Yah, I don't mean to sound tart. but I ain't a MOTU yet, and I'm hungry, and if I don't get food before class, I'm worthless :P
[02:14] <Kyral> cya :P
[02:15] <Tonio_> see ya
[02:19] <shawarma> I keep forgetting: Should new packages without a counterpart in Debian have ubuntu-something in its revision?
[02:21] <Nafallo> shawarma: 0ubuntuX
[02:22] <shawarma> Nafallo: Roger.
[02:22] <shawarma> Nafallo: Thanks.
[02:22] <Nafallo> np :-)
[02:52] <siretart> anyone working on merging right now?
[02:53] <siretart> I have written a small python script to faciliate reporting of bugs, I intend to use that for my own
[02:53] <siretart> if you are interested, please check this out: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools/
[02:53] <siretart> (yes, this is an bzr branch)
[02:53] <siretart> \sh_away: please proofread http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools/newmerge.py
[03:01] <siretart> dholbach: just a proof check: are bugs filed like this correct? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mail-notification/+bug/4036
[03:02] <dholbach> siretart: you want elmo to read those bugs?
[03:03] <siretart> dholbach: \sh told me that he (or someone else) searches once a day for these sync bugs and hands them over to elmo
[03:04] <siretart> dholbach: I could also have elmo CC'ed in my script, I really don't mind
[03:04] <dholbach> hm
[03:04] <siretart> script is here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools/newmerge.py
[03:04] <dholbach> i think he likes mail/irc-notifications better
[03:04] <siretart> I know
[03:04] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[03:05] <siretart> the question was rather if he want all syncs seperate or in one mail
[03:05] <Nafallo> lol last-uploader :-)
[03:06] <dholbach> siretart: ask him :)
[03:07] <siretart> :/
[03:07] <Nafallo> is he dangerous? :-P
[03:08] <Nafallo> either ask him or implement cc to him and face the consequenses ;-)
[03:09] <siretart> I'd rather don't learn what consequences this could have
[03:10] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:31] <siretart> hey Fuddl, hi magnon!
[03:31] <magnon> morning!
[03:31] <siretart> Fuddl: did you read my email concerning the quake3 debian package?
[03:33] <Fuddl> siretart: not yet, but i forced sylpheed to fetch mail a second ago ;)
[03:35] <Fuddl> siretart: i don't get the point. is he searching for a sponsor or would he like to sponsor the package?
[03:35] <siretart> Fuddl: afaiu he is searching for a sponsor
[03:35] <siretart> and has packages prepared
[03:36] <Fuddl> ah... this turns out in the second paragraph.
[03:38] <pef> I'm working on my first merge http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10185, and using dpkg-source dsc file I got a debian/changelog file where the sync seems to be done, does this request merge should be closed ?
[03:39] <siretart> pef: do you have a debdiff? then attach it to that bug and poke Riddel to upload it for you
[03:40] <pef> siretart: I just don't really understand why I got this entry on the changelog
[03:41] <siretart> pef: I dont get you
[03:42] <pef> siretart: if a new ubuntu version of konversation is uploaded, does this new archive put in the report ?
[03:42] <pef> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/konversation/
[03:42] <pef> here I mean
[03:44] <siretart> pef: ah, so you noticed a newer version is already in ubuntu
[03:44] <siretart> pef: in that case, close the bug, riddel can reopen it if necessary
[03:45] <pef> siretart: this bug is a request for a merge, and on the orig.tar.gz file, debian/changelog last entry is about this merge
[03:47] <siretart> pef: this bug is created automatically by MoM
[04:31] <janimo> anybody using dapper pbuilder?
[04:31] <janimo> pbuilder create fails here with lots of missing deps
[04:36] <siretart> janimo: install breezy and upgrade to dapper
[04:36] <siretart> janimo: dapper is uninstallable atm
[04:37] <janimo> siretart, so pbuilder create breez and than update tha?
[04:37] <janimo> thanks
[04:40] <dholbach> see you guys... i'm off to berlin
[04:41] <siretart> cu dholbach!
[04:41] <hub> c-ya
[05:27] <LS|-away-> hello everybody
[05:27] <LS|-away-> is there a possibility to submit "pakage-ideas" for drapper drake?
[05:27] <siretart> hi LS|-away- (not really away, are you? ;))
[05:28] <LordSavage> better ;)
[05:28] <LordSavage> ?
[05:28] <siretart> LS|-away-: if you want to submit new packages, upload them to http://revu.tauware.de
[05:28] <LordSavage> thats not exactly what i want
[05:28] <LordSavage> 1. sorry for my poor english
[05:29] <LordSavage> 2. there is a gimp hack called "gimpshop". but there are no .deb pakages for ubuntu or even .deb pakages at all
[05:30] <siretart> so try to package it or find someone to package it for you ;)
[05:30] <LordSavage> i think it would be nice to have this pakage in the ubuntu sources
[05:30] <LordSavage> i got it running
[05:30] <LordSavage> by compiling from source
[05:30] <LordSavage> but it was a lot of work
[05:31] <LordSavage> and i am not able to create a .deb pakage :/
[05:33] <LordSavage> no chance to get a pakage in hm?
[05:34] <siretart> list it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates and hope somebody finds it there and has interest in packaging it
[05:34] <LordSavage> thx
[05:36] <LordSavage> uh, looks complicated ;D
[05:37] <LordSavage> could you log in and list it please. i have no account
[05:38] <LordSavage> i give you the information and you just have to c&p
[05:38] <LordSavage> hm? :)
[05:38] <siretart> you don't need an account to look at our wiki
[05:39] <LordSavage> but i need one to add a pakage idea
[05:39] <LordSavage> right?
[05:40] <elektranox> is sb. knowing gdesklets and a plugin for a terminal?
[05:42] <siretart> https://launchpad.net/+register
[05:43] <hunger> AAARRRGGG!!! This build system SUX!
[05:43] <hunger> The distclean target depends on clean.
[05:43] <hunger> clean removes a file.
[05:43] <hunger> distclean creates it again afterwards.
[05:44] <Nafallo> ROTFL
[05:44] <slomo_> hunger: better than one of the packages i've seen... distclean removes the whole generated autotools stuff ;)
[05:44] <hunger> And silly me is hacking on clean to get that damn file removed.
[05:44] <hunger> slomo_: That is how it should be IIRC:-)
[05:44] <LordSavage> [17:42]  <siretart> https://launchpad.net/+register    <- i am so happy that there is bugmenot.com ^^
[05:45] <slomo_> hunger: yes? imho not... distclean should reset the sourcetree in the same state like in the tarball... and in the tarball you have configure for example
[05:46] <hunger> slomo_: You are right. I was thinking about maintainer-clean.
[05:47] <slomo_> at least it was painfull to testbuild that package... configure was always gone after one build atemp ;)
[05:47] <slomo_> thanks Nafallo =)
[05:47] <slomo_> Nafallo: hmm... i had a question regarding swedish earlier today... hmm... i need to remember *grmpf*
[05:47] <hunger> make clean: file is gone. make distclean and back it is!
[05:47] <Nafallo> hihi
[05:47] <Nafallo> slomo_: I've been on jabber since 7-ish? ;-)
[05:48] <LordSavage> oh, gimpshop is alredy in the UniverseCandidates, i am sry
[05:48] <LordSavage> for bugging you
[05:48] <hub> LordSavage: I have it almost packaged here
[05:48] <slomo_> hunger: another question... why is distclean _creating_ files? that's really bogus ;)
[05:48] <LordSavage> oh, its you
[05:48] <LordSavage> thx :)
[05:48] <LordSavage> this is why i didn't find it before
[05:48] <hunger> slomo_: Because somebody needs to hit those guys with a cluestick wrt. make.
[05:49] <hunger> slomo_: I volunteered to convert the complete system to automake, but they said they don't want that... Too complicated.
[05:49] <hunger> Instead they prefer to maintain a bunch of independent make-only systems that are stitched together.
[05:50] <slomo_> hunger: hehe... it isn't easy when you've never worked with it... yes ;) but broken makefiles are harder...
[05:50] <hub> hunger: which package?
[05:50] <hunger> hub: Xen
[05:50] <hub> ho
[05:50] <hunger> hub: I tend to start with the easy stuff:-)
[05:50] <siretart> uhuh..
[05:51] <hub> hunger: then go with sysprof
[05:51] <siretart> arn't there there already xen packages available somewhere?
[05:51] <hub> hunger: it is a nice thingy that need to build a kernel module
[05:51] <slomo_> elektranox: ?
[05:51] <hunger> siretart: Yeap. I stole lots of stuff there.
[05:51] <hunger> siretart: They are terribly outdated.
[05:51] <elektranox> slomo: i prefere to speak german ^^
[05:52] <slomo_> elektranox: ok, but why do you create a DCC CHAT for that? ;) a simple query would be easier :P
[05:52] <elektranox> slomo: because my knowledge in IRC is not very big (4 time :p)
[05:53] <hunger> hub: Dunno... is building a module harder than trying to put a layer underneath the kernel?
[05:54] <hub> hunger: not sure.
[05:54] <hub> hunger: but it is not trivial
[05:55] <hunger> hub Guess so.
[05:55] <LordSavage> @hub: could you send me the gimpshop pakage, when it's ready, please?
[05:56] <LordSavage> i tried to msg you but...
[05:56] <LordSavage> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[05:57] <LordSavage> so, here is what i wrote
[05:57] <LordSavage> [17:51]  <LordSavage> maybe you should put the photoshop shortcuts in the package too
[05:57] <LordSavage> [17:51]  <LordSavage> http://epierce.freeshell.org/gimp/gimp_ps.php
[05:57] <LordSavage> [17:51]  <LordSavage> thank you so far
[05:57] <LordSavage> [17:52]  <LordSavage> they are linked on the gimpshop hp too
[05:58] <siretart> cool
[06:02] <\sh> siretart: ping
[06:02] <siretart> \sh: pong
[06:02] <\sh> siretart: apt-cache showsrc
[06:02] <\sh> first
[06:02] <\sh> and second...a default key must be set
[06:03] <\sh> filing bug on package ace
[06:03] <\sh> gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode
[06:03] <\sh> gpg: no default secret key: bad passphrase
[06:03] <\sh> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: bad passphrase
[06:03] <siretart> \sh: apt-cache showsrc does not exit with error if package nonexistent
[06:03] <siretart> \sh: and I assume an gpg agent has been setup correctly
[06:03] <\sh> siretart: ok...
[06:03] <\sh> siretart: shermann@r200-shermann:~/launchpad/motu-tools$ apt-cache show ace
[06:04] <\sh> shermann@r200-shermann:~/launchpad/motu-tools$ apt-cache show ace
[06:04] <\sh> W: Unable to locate package ace
[06:04] <\sh> E: No packages found
[06:04] <siretart> hm. I see
[06:04] <\sh> and a gpg agent is not setup by default
[06:04] <siretart> I knew about that problem, but I didn't expect it to happen THAT fast ;)
[06:04] <siretart> thats right..
[06:04] <\sh> siretart: u asked me for review :)
[06:05] <\sh> what about starting up a gpg agent by first run?
[06:06] <\sh> but anyways...
[06:06] <\sh> i need to hurry....have to go shipping...forgot something
[06:06] <\sh> brb
[06:07] <siretart> \sh: cu later
[06:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:08] <Nafallo> seahorse-agent should be default in a MOTUs session ;-)
[06:09] <ogra> Nafallo, real men use plain gpg ;)
[06:09] <LordSavage> hub?
[06:10] <Nafallo> ogra: I'm to lazy to type 30+ chars everytime I'll show my inbox in evo ;-)
[06:11] <ogra> you could save your passphrase ...
[06:12] <ogra> so you only have to type it once at startup....
[06:12] <Nafallo> ehm... that's what seahorse-agent does indeed :-)
[06:15] <LordSavage> hub?
[06:17] <ogra> Nafallo, thats what evo does by default ... no need for seahorse agent
[06:18] <hub> LordSavage: I should upload them to REVU
[06:18] <hub> LordSavage: but I currently have issues installing them
[06:18] <Nafallo> ogra: baah. I rather have seahorse-agent for evo, gajim and debsign :-).
[06:35] <LordSavage> hmm
[06:35] <LordSavage> ok
[06:35] <LordSavage> i wish you luck @hub
[06:35] <LordSavage> i'll go home now
[06:35] <LordSavage> work is finished
[06:35] <LordSavage> :D
[06:35] <LordSavage> cya
[06:36] <LordSavage> n germany we say "Feierabend"
[06:36] <LordSavage> ^^
[07:10] <\sh> re
[07:16] <siretart> \sh: I patched newmerge.py
[07:17] <siretart> \sh: changes pushed, please recheck
[07:17] <\sh> bzr archive?
[07:17] <siretart> yepp
[07:20] <slomo_> oh no
[07:20] <siretart> ?
[07:20] <slomo_> x86 really needs some more registers :(
[07:20] <siretart> hrhr
[07:20] <slomo_> "can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm'"
[07:20] <slomo_> grmpf
[07:20] <\sh> siretart: wuhuu
[07:21] <siretart> \sh: happy now? - or horribly broken?
[07:21] <\sh> siretart: i love u so much :)
[07:21] <siretart> :)
[07:21] <\sh> siretart: it works like a charme
[07:21] <siretart> hehe
[07:22] <siretart> \sh: please mention it on the wiki page if you are happy with the mails it spits out
[07:22] <\sh> siretart: i will
[07:23] <\sh> trying to finish my dinner
[07:23] <slomo_> siretart: hmm, i can workaround this problem when doing -fomit-frame-pointer... is this allowed to be added to CFLAGS for packages?
[07:24] <siretart> slomo_: this gains you an extra register, I don't see objections to add it if it makes a package build
[07:25] <slomo_> it makes debugging harder
[07:26] <LaserJock> is anybody working on the wxwidgets2.6 merge?
[07:28] <slomo_> jbailey: ping?
[07:30] <janimo> _slomo, what are you building?
[07:30] <slomo_> janimo: ffmpeg
[07:31] <LaserJock> I made a patch to wxwidgets2.6 for breezy (Bug #3252) should I go ahead and include that in the merge?
[07:31] <janimo> I saw similar errors with qemu, hence that b-depends on gcc 3.4
[07:31] <janimo> maybe the same is neede here?
[07:32] <slomo_> janimo: seems unlikely... as there's simply one register missing :(
[07:32] <janimo> gcc 4 has a bug regarding this, that's why qemu depends on it because of some magic asm it uses
[07:33] <janimo> depends on 3.4 I mean
[07:33] <janimo> google for qemu gcc 4 maybe it's relevant for ffmpeg too
[07:33] <slomo_> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21291
[07:33] <slomo_> i found this bug
[07:33] <slomo_> and it's fixed... hmm
[07:34] <janimo> or is it just buggy ffmpeg code?
[07:34] <janimo> how did get through debian then or upstream release?
[07:35] <slomo_> i fixed a bug... defining RUNTIME_CPUDETECT... otherwise it compiles in what is available on that build-machine
[07:35] <slomo_> and we get illegal instructions on other machines ;)
[07:35] <slomo_> and this define enables some new assembly code
[07:41] <\sh> siretart: how long does it take to see the bugs send by this script in malone?
[07:42] <siretart> \sh: I think there is a cronjob every 5 min on lp side
[07:42] <\sh> siretart: ok...
[07:42] <\sh> i send two now...lets see what comes back
[07:43] <siretart> you'll get an email back from lp
[07:46] <LaserJock> if I make changes to the MOM created source package, do I need to bump the ubuntuX number?
[07:48] <\sh> siretart: and we need a local sendmail right?
[07:48] <\sh> LaserJock: no
[07:48] <\sh> LaserJock: incoporate your changes
[07:48] <\sh> and do a dch -a
[07:49] <LaserJock> \sh: k
[07:49] <\sh> LaserJock: and attach a debdiff from the old ubuntu version to the new merge version
[07:49] <\sh> LaserJock: to the bug
[07:50] <LaserJock> \sh: old ubuntu version as in the one that is in dapper right now?
[07:50] <\sh> LaserJock: yes
[07:51] <slomo_> \sh: bad idea... when it's new upstream you will get all upstream changes too
[07:51] <LaserJock> \sh: ahh, ok
[07:51] <\sh> slomo_: oh shit...yes
[07:51] <\sh> LaserJock: forget it
[07:51] <LaserJock> \sh: so what should I debdiff to?
[07:52] <\sh> LaserJock: attach the diff.gz only
[07:52] <LaserJock> \sh: ok
[07:52] <\sh> LaserJock: after u did your changes and do a debuild
[07:53] <azeem> or do interdiff -z <old>.diff.gz <new>.diff.gz
[07:53] <azeem> possibly adding a -p1 if there are bogus differences
[07:54] <siretart> \sh: newmerge.py expects that /usr/bin/mail works, yes
[07:54] <LaserJock> azeem: great, now I'm going to confuse myself ;-)
[07:55] <siretart> this means a working postfix/exim4/ssmtp/nullmailer/whateversetup should be fine
[07:55] <slomo_> LaserJock: or do a diff -Naur old-debian-directory new-debian-directory
[07:55] <slomo_> ;)
[07:55] <LaserJock> wonderful
[07:57] <LaserJock> now, what is the dropped.patch telling me?
[07:57] <\sh> siretart: i have to mention it...when I get the mails back
[07:57] <slomo_> the parts which couldn't be applied automatically
[07:57] <Nafallo> what is dropped :-)
[07:57] <LaserJock> from the new Debian version, correct?
[07:58] <slomo_> no
[07:58] <slomo_> from the ubuntu changes
[07:58] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[07:59] <Nafallo> LaserJock: a tip, read the file RESULT. what every file is is explained in there :-).
[08:00] <slomo_> or merge the debian and ubuntu versions by hand... is easier sometimes ;)
[08:02] <\sh> siretart: i don't get any mail back :(
[08:02] <LaserJock> could somebody briefly look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/wxwidgets2.6/wxwidgets2.6_debian-dropped.patch from me?
[08:05] <siretart> \sh: check your MTA's logfile.
[08:05] <siretart> \sh: was that mail really delivered?
[08:05] <siretart> \sh: what happens if you do a `echo foo | mail -s test<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:08] <\sh> siretart: it works
[08:08] <\sh> Nov  9 19:45:04 localhost postfix/smtp[11463] : 8C3163496119<EMAIL_ADDRESS>relay=mail.kde-coder.de[<IP_ADDRESS>] , delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 18D3318C1C5)
[08:09] <siretart> check if the From: line is really correct
[08:10] <\sh> from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is wrong
[08:10] <\sh> shit
[08:13] <\sh> is mail honouring export EMAIL
[08:15] <jinty> hoi ajmitch, just bugging you again about that schooltool-live package
[08:15] <siretart> not sure, I configured exim to do rewriting
[08:16] <siretart> in /etc/email-addresses
[08:17] <slomo_> i hate malone... i added a bug and tried to search for it... nothing found
[08:18] <\sh> siretart: well..this works...it's my username
[08:19] <siretart> rewriting rewrites the From: address, you know
[08:23] <slomo_> siretart: what is to be done when a "merge" can be synced? telling elmo? or are we collection syncs and send him a big mail weekly or something?
[08:24] <\sh> grmpf
[08:24] <\sh> now it works
[08:24] <\sh> shitty wiki howto :)
[08:26] <siretart> slomo_: \sh volunteered to scan his inbox for open malone 'to be synced' bugs
[08:27] <jbailey> slomo_: Back from lunch, now hackig, 'sup?
[08:28] <slomo_> \sh: what's your search string? ;)
[08:29] <slomo_> jbailey: is compiling with -fomit-frame-pointer on x86 a solution when it fixes a FTBFS because of too few GP registers?
[08:29] <slomo_> jbailey: it fixes the compilation... but does it have side effects?
[08:29] <\sh> grep -H "merge new debian version" /var/spool/imap/users/s/src_0001/Disitribution/Ubuntu/malone-bugs/*
[08:30] <slomo_> \sh: so nothing sync specific?
[08:30] <\sh> slomo_: after that...checking for Status: to be synced
[08:31] <slomo_> \sh: ok, i've done it wrong then... ;) *fix*
[08:31] <\sh> siretart: jetzt laeuft das scfript
[08:31] <\sh> oops
[08:31] <\sh> siretart: now the script works perfectly
[08:31] <\sh> :)
[08:32] <\sh> siretart: but we have to change again something....first...we have to check if the merge stuff from MoM works...and if we need them
[08:32] <\sh> siretart: so...sometimes it's good to update the bug afterwards
[08:32] <\sh> let me check if I can do something for updating bugs :)
[08:33] <\sh> bradb_: welcome :)
[08:33] <\sh> bradb_: can u provide a mailinterface to malone for searching bugs with special status and stringsearch in the description?
[08:34] <\sh> bradb_: and yes I know, i'm insane
[08:35] <siretart> \sh: sure, just fix it in your branch and I'll merge from you
[08:35] <\sh> siretart: public_html on tiber?
[08:35] <jbailey> slomo_: It could make debugging *really* suck.
[08:35] <bradb_> \sh: I dunno. It's unlikely that kind of thing would be on the radar in the next six months though, tbh.
[08:35] <siretart> \sh: I don't mind, anything http accessible is okay for bzr
[08:36] <\sh> siretart: i mean did u enable public_html in homedirs?
[08:37] <\sh> bradb_: but the email interface is very nice..thx for the work on it
[08:37] <lfittl> How do I use pbuilder with a package that build-depends on a package that is not yet in the repositories (and therefore not available to pbuilder..)?
[08:37] <bradb_> \sh: I'll forward your praise onto the relevant people (BjornT and the sab :)
[08:37] <siretart> \sh: sure, you just used it to branch it ;)
[08:37] <bradb_> It's good to hear that you like it.
[08:38] <\sh> lfittl: add a local apt get repository to your local pbuilder
[08:38] <slomo_> jbailey: ok, the gcc manual isn't that explicit about it ;) but i'll do it for now until it's fixed upstream... i don't want to mess with their assembler code, i don't even understand the C version of it ;)
[08:38] <lfittl> \sh: is there any documentation about local apt get repositories?
[08:38] <\sh> lfittl: yes
[08:39] <\sh> lfittl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalAptGetRepositories
[08:39] <lfittl> thanks :)
[08:39] <\sh> lfittl: if it's to complicate...please blame me
[08:39] <Nafallo> \sh: no. let's blame slomo :-).
[08:40] <\sh> Nafallo: na.I wrote it the first time...i think
[08:40] <\sh> incoming = /home/shermann/archive/mini-dinstall/incoming
[08:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:40] <\sh> yeah thats me
[08:40] <slomo_> i never touched it :P
[08:40] <\sh> hehe
[08:40] <Nafallo> slomo_: so? ;-)
[08:40] <\sh> confusion
[08:41] <Nafallo> no confusion here, just trying to find something to blame slomo for :-P
[08:41] <\sh> hahaha
[08:42] <slomo_> Nafallo: blame me for thinking the merge procedure is too complicated currently ;) it takes more time to get everything right than to test and/or merge the package :P
[08:43] <Nafallo> slomo_: I agree :-). I want MOM to file bugs ;-).
[08:50] <\sh> slomo_: wait an hour...and we have a nice tool to work with :)
[08:50] <slomo_> \sh: perfect :) i'll do some other stuff until then ;)
[08:51] <\sh> siretart: did again an awesome job for a nice python tool
[08:51] <slomo_> hehe
[09:03] <LaserJock> if a package no longer needs any patches should I remove the directory and the include from debian/rules or should I just remove the patch from debian/patches?
[09:04] <slomo_> LaserJock: make the delta between debian and ubuntu as small as possible
[09:13] <lfittl> \sh: Local repository creation worked without any problem, thanks again :)
[09:16] <\sh> lfittl: you're welcome
[09:17] <\sh> siretart: ug...NamedTemporaryFile and os.unlink...i got some good errors
[09:19] <slomo_> siretart: i'm merging mplayer atm... do we still want the mplayer-amd64 metapackage?
[09:19] <slomo_> siretart: i guess yes?
[09:24] <\sh> siretart: unping..my bug
[09:31] <siretart> slomo_: for backporting reason I'd say yes
[09:31] <\sh> siretart: bzr merge http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[09:31] <slomo_> siretart: ok
[09:31] <siretart> slomo_: that way, it would be easier for people adding breezy-backports in a few months
[09:32] <\sh> siretart: i added an update command with -u/--update and a -b/--bug <bugno>
[09:32] <\sh> siretart: so now we can update bugs as wlel
[09:32] <siretart> err, I merged, but there wasn't any changes?
[09:32] <\sh> gr
[09:33] <\sh> didn't commit moment
[09:33] <siretart> :)
[09:33] <\sh> now
[09:34] <\sh> and please don't look on my commit statements in the merge...a lot of grr and grmpf
[09:34] <\sh> it's apple style commit comments
[09:35] <siretart> ;)
[09:35] <\sh> but it works
[09:35] <Amaranth> apple style?
[09:35] <siretart> I'd perhaps split new and update code in 2 seperate functions, but its a small tool, it's okay
[09:35] <\sh> Amaranth: did u ever see the khtml update comments?
[09:36] <\sh> siretart: it's quick and dirty
[09:36] <\sh> siretart: lets make an gui tool out of it :)
[09:36] <\sh> s/an/a
[09:36] <Amaranth> \sh: ok, but everyone does that :P
[09:36] <siretart> hrhr
[09:36] <Amaranth> I think it was tberman who does the best ones, a GNOME guy. :)
[09:36] <siretart> \sh: it is CLI by purpose
[09:36] <siretart> pushing your changes
[09:36] <\sh> Amaranth: but apple has more fcks in it
[09:36] <siretart> good night everyone
[09:37] <slomo_> gn8 siretart
[09:37] <\sh> good night siretart
[09:37] <\sh> siretart: great work btw
[09:37] <Amaranth> \sh: Do they have any bits of code with comments like "UGLY BUT IT WORKS SO DON'T FUCKING TOUCH IT!!!"? :)
[09:38] <\sh> Amaranth: yes...and they have "SHIT CODE"
[09:38] <Amaranth> heh
[09:38] <Amaranth> and that crap actually makes it into khtml upstream?
[09:38] <Amaranth> usually comments like that are a good sign of a logic error
[09:39] <\sh> ok
[09:39] <\sh> siretart: I
[09:39] <\sh> i'm publishing your work :)
[09:40] <\sh> if anybody wants to deal with beta software :)
[09:40] <\sh> for the merges and syncs
[09:40] <\sh> please do the following :)
[09:40] <\sh> 1. vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <\sh> 2. add deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./
[09:40] <\sh>
[09:40] <\sh> 3. apt-get update
[09:41] <\sh> 4. apt-get install bzr bzrtools bzrk
[09:41] <\sh> 5. mkdir ~/launchpad/
[09:41] <\sh> cd ~/launchpad
[09:41] <\sh> bzr branch http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools
[09:41] <\sh> inside motu-tools there is a small tiny but good tool
[09:41] <\sh> it's called newmerge.py
[09:42] <\sh> to generate a new merge bug use this:
[09:42] <\sh> ./newmerge.py -n <sourcepackage>
[09:42] <\sh> u will be asked to export LPID which means LPID == Launchpad ID
[09:43] <\sh> u need to update your local mail transport agent to work properly to send out mails
[09:43] <\sh> if u have postfix, ask me
[09:43] <\sh> if u test a source package which and it needs a sync, and u already filed a bug towards malone
[09:43] <slomo_> \sh: does it only allow local MTA?
[09:44] <\sh> slomo_: yes
[09:44] <\sh> slomo_: for a work of 20 minutes...it's good
[09:44] <slomo_> \sh: oh no :( hmm, maybe i'll try to patch it to get remote smtp/smtps working ;)
[09:44] <\sh> slomo_: why? configure your local mta to do this for y
[09:44] <\sh> ou
[09:45] <\sh> ok..where was I
[09:45] <\sh> ah yes
[09:45] <\sh> if u test a source package which and it needs a sync, and u already filed a bug towards malone
[09:45] <\sh> then call this tool with
[09:45] <\sh> ./newmerge -u -b <bugno> -s
[09:46] <\sh> which means: -u == update bug , -b <bugno> == bugnumber of malone to update, -s == insert sync text
[09:46] <\sh> you will get a small help with ./newmerge.py --help
[09:46] <\sh> THIS IS EXPERIMENTAL SOFTWARE
[09:53] <\sh> siretart: do u need still aptitude running?
[09:55] <slomo_> damn... mplayer is evil ;)
[09:59] <highvoltage> how evil?
[10:00] <slomo_> it's hard to maintain the package ;)
[10:03] <ogra> slomo_, regarding all the other packages you play with, youre the master of evil ;)
[10:04] <ogra> (so it should be no prob for to maintain that little mplayer thingie ;) )
[10:05] <slomo_> ogra: :P what packages do you mean for example? :)
[10:05] <ogra> faad etc :)
[10:05] <ogra> ffmpeg :)
[10:06] <slomo_> oh, they're much easier to maintain ;) except transcode maybe
[10:06] <crimsun> (transcode should be fixed in Dapper...)
[10:06] <ogra> you touch all the evil stuff i wouldnt want get my hands contamined with, kudos :)
[10:07] <slomo_> crimsun: yes, i'm searching for a solution currently... is it possible to simply create a shared library out of a static one?
[10:10] <slomo_> ogra: thanks ;) but someone has to do it
[10:12] <ivoks> hi
[10:12] <ivoks> want to see something really funny?
[10:12] <ivoks> http://mirrors.playboy.com/
[10:12] <ivoks> trust me, you want to see this :)
[10:13] <janimo> blah, no pr0n just FOSS :(
[10:13] <slomo_> lol
[10:14] <\sh> why we don't want to have Seveas bug bot for universe bugs in ubuntu-motu?
[10:15] <Seveas> ivoks, roflol
[10:15] <Seveas> free porn - euh..
[10:21] <LaserJock> can someone look at my bug on  MOTUToMerge for me (Jordan Mantha)?
[10:27] <Pygi> Hello
[10:27] <Pygi> can anyway point me what should I do to become a MOTU? Thank you :)
[10:29] <Seveas> Pygi, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:29] <Seveas> read, follow links, find some place to fit in and contribute :)
[10:30] <Pygi> gah, I am currently an administrator in UbuntuInstantServer Development team
[10:30] <Pygi> and that's why I need to become MOTU, so I could upload packages :)
[10:32] <\sh> LaserJock: work further on...the MOTUs will have a look on the MOTU Hopeful bugs later along this week..don't worry...we will come back to u :)
[10:33] <LaserJock> \sh: just didn't want it to get overlooked, that's all ;-)
[10:33] <Pygi> ok, thanks anyway Seveas, I see you'r busy :)
[10:38] <\sh> LaserJock: u won't :)
[10:39] <\sh> Pygi: to become a motu u have to do a couple of things ... fixing bugs, doing merges etc. and first of all, become an ubuntu member
[10:39] <\sh> Pygi: the best thing is, to work with us on our transitions and doing some bugfixing works
[10:39] <Pygi> ah,ok, thanks :)
[10:39] <Pygi> so gimme some task I should do :)
[10:40] <\sh> Pygi: check the topic :)
[10:41] <\sh> hmmm...implemented another function for newmerge.py
[10:43] <Pygi> \sh: Maybe I could make a logo for Motu :)
[10:43] <\sh> Pygi: we have one
[10:43] <Pygi> gah, ok :P
[10:43] <\sh> Pygi: it's castle greyscull with He-Man in front of it
[10:44] <Pygi> \sh: Gah
[10:44] <Pygi> \sh: no comment
[10:44] <LaserJock> \sh: why isn't it on MOTULogo ?
[10:44] <\sh> LaserJock: hehe...just joking :)
[10:45] <LaserJock> \sh: seriously, we should have something
[10:45] <ajmitch> "we don't have a drinking problem" ;)
[10:45] <LaserJock> \sh: a buddy of my keeps laughing at me everytime I say masters of the universe
[10:45] <\sh> ajmitch: *g(
[10:46] <LaserJock> he says he gets the He-Man theme song stuck in his head ;-)
[10:46] <\sh> argl
[10:46] <\sh> damn xchat
[10:49] <Pygi> gah :P
[10:58] <lfittl> Is it ok to ignore this lintian error? "E: cafix_0.2.0-0ubuntu1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file dapper"
[11:02] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:02] <Pygi> hi
[11:07] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[11:08] <\sh> siretart: u can merge my motu-tools branch into yours...I added a close bug function
[11:12] <sistpoty> ' \sh: motu-tools?
[11:13] <\sh> sistpoty: quick dirty python hack from siretart to file bugs against malone via mail interface
[11:13] <sistpoty> useful for merging?
[11:14] <\sh> sistpoty:
[11:14] <\sh> hyes
[11:14] <\sh> right now it's only written for merging bugs in malone
[11:14] <sistpoty> cool... may i get these? (where?)
[11:14] <\sh> latest version bzr branch http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools
[11:14] <sistpoty> thx... I'll take a look
[11:15] <\sh> latest development version: bzr branch http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools
[11:16] <\sh> shermann branch commited now
[11:17] <minghua> hi LaserJock
[11:18] <sistpoty> ' \sh: how can i checkout this bzr repo? i just tried "bzr pull http://...." but that bailed out :(
[11:18] <Seveas> about the motu logo, how about something like http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/i4268 :)
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: bzr branch
[11:19] <sistpoty> ah, thx
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: use the daily bzr snapshot from jeff baily
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: do u need the repos url?
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: bzr rocks...and was quite interessting to talk to some bzr devs...
[11:20] <sistpoty> yes it rocks :)
[11:20] <sistpoty> will get the newest version asap ;)
[11:38] <\sh> oh wow..this the best way to work
[11:38] <\sh> laying in bed, ssh to my nc6000 and compile there the packages
[11:39] <sivang> \sh: heh
[11:39] <sivang> rehi all
[11:45] <Seveas> \sh, nc6000 is a nice laptop
[11:45] <Seveas> I have one too :)
[11:46] <\sh> Seveas: yeah...is quite fast...better to compile stuff
[11:46] <\sh> Seveas: but working from the portege r200