 doing an action from a command...that action being reboot regardless of the command 😆
 at least that's what happened when i tried it before
 @Javacookies [doing an action from a command...that action being reboot regardless of the comm …], ah yeah, the old 'hey mycroft reboot my phone' works everytime ;)
 yeah, very helpful when you're having troubles and need to reboot 😆
 lol
 i heard there is some interesting developments in the mycroft world
 like: https://aiix.tk/dev/introducing-libqmycroft/ :3
 ...... i just realized my .cache folder is around 2 gigs
 now i wonder, i should just do a `rm -r .cache` lol
 oh wait i have dekko hmmmm
 [Edit] ...... i just realized my .cache folder is  2+ gigs
 libertine?
 i don't think have libertine in there 🤔
 hmm folder is there but it is empty 🤔
 whoops, didn't mean to click that
 (Photo, 946x660) https://irc.ubports.com/s00q22Rh.png
 maybe,this is the best choice?
[05:37] <ubptgbot> inkedbooking was added by: inkedbooking
 Hello guys
 can I install ubuntu touch in samsung galaxy tab a sm-t385m ?
 check the compatibility list on the site
 @ItoRimai [<reply to media>], I have one, It is a good choice, i really like it with UT, just i don't know why the video playback is slow on UT and fluid in SailfishOS. i don't use NFC and Hotspot can be used by turning on and off wifi twice. Also, UT is officially maintained while SailfishOS is not and it cant be updated anymore.
 I use the OPO as my daily driver
 @LGeek [I have one, It is a good choice, i really like it with UT, just i don't know why …], No hardware acceleration in morph. This might be different in Sailfish?
 @Danfro [No hardware acceleration in morph. This might be different in Sailfish?], Yes, no hardware acceleration in Morph nor Anbox, but i don't use Android Apps. Sailfish browser does have hardware acceleration (and can remember passwords), but in comparison Morph is a much better browser, at least, the pages i regularly use works well on
[06:36] <ubptgbot> Morph and tends to break in Sailfish browser.
 @Danfro [No hardware acceleration in morph. This might be different in Sailfish?], [Edit] Yes, no hardware acceleration in Morph nor Anbox, but i don't use Android Apps. Sailfish browser does have hardware acceleration (and it can remember passwords), but in comparison Morph is a much better browser, at least, the pages i regularly use work
[06:36] <ubptgbot> s well on Morph and tends to break in Sailfish browser.
 Also, i like the Webber app functionality.
 @LGeek [I use the OPO as my daily driver], Me too. It does all that I need. And the camera app received improvements recently. It's a very complete device now.
 Without the requirement of android environment.using C + +, end up JVM is the biggest optimization.
 @klaartje_b [Me too. It does all that I need. And the camera app received improvements recent …], Yes, camera has improved a lot, and now it work on tagger
 This is one of the reasons why I gave up Sailfish. There is no essential optimization
 Can't get rid of the Android ecosystem, it's just Android++
 @ItoRimai [Can't get rid of the Android ecosystem, it's just Android++], Actin' like UBPorts doesn't use Android parts
 Android book for custom ROM building ??
 @Whitekingz [Android book for custom ROM building ??], If that's a question, it would probably be better to ask it in a different group. There is surely one about custom ROM building.
 Ok bro
 You're welcome, sis.
 😄😄
 Iam boy
 Yes I am pretty sure that is her point given you called her bro :P
 👍🏻
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 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/O9AbU70d.webp
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 Hello everybody is ubuntu touch compatible with Moto g5s plus (sanders)?  … many thanks for your help
 @loriizh [Hello everybody is ubuntu touch compatible with Moto g5s plus (sanders)?  … many …], Hello! You can check that here:  … Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @klaartje_b [Hello! You can check that here:  … Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch …], Thank you very much
 I cant access to SSH, alres¡ady follow the guide, it was working last week, but now its not
<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Permission denied (publickey,password).
 [Edit] I cant access to SSH, already follow the guide, it was working last week, but now its not
 [Edit] I cant access to SSH, I already follow the guide, it was working last week, but now its not
 [Edit] I cant access through SSH to my phone, I already follow the guide, it was working last week, but now its not
 are you using the same PC and OS?
 @Javacookies [are you using the same PC and OS?], Same PC, same OS
 same user?
 @Javacookies [same user?], Yes
 are you sure the IP of your phones is correct?
 @Javacookies [are you sure the IP of your phones is correct?], Yes, it is an reserved ip for the phone, also i double check with ip addr
 @Javacookies [are you sure the IP of your phones is correct?], [Edit] Yes, it is an reserved ip for the phone, also i double check with "ip addr"
 hmm, that's weird then … if it worked before, it should work now
 @Javacookies [hmm, that's weird then … if it worked before, it should work now], Будешь дохуя пиздеть я тебя отпетушу
 😅
 @ItoRimai [😅], Он будет лететь членом в низ а твоя мать широко откроет рот чтобы он не промахнулся
 @Javacookies [hmm, that's weird then … if it worked before, it should work now], weird error, i'll try to configure again with ssh-keygen
 ban
 @LGeek [weird error, i'll try to configure again with ssh-keygen], Ты брызжешь спермой из своего ротика
 @LGeek [Yes, it is an reserved ip for the phone, also i double check with "ip addr"], which phone? maybe you need to start ssh manualky … `sudo start ssh`
 @Javacookies [which phone? maybe you need to start ssh manualky … sudo start ssh], Тоесть ты берешь хуй мужа в рот и на следующий день целуетесь с ним?
 @Javacookies [which phone? maybe you need to start ssh manualky … sudo start ssh], OnePlus One
 @LGeek [OnePlus One], Я твоего кнура на колени ставил и обоссывал
 @Javacookies [which phone? maybe you need to start ssh manualky … sudo start ssh], Already done
 @LGeek [Already done], Мои друзья бате твоему анус порвали
[08:34] <ubptgbot> mrbri8side was added by: mrbri8side
 @rachk000 [Тоесть ты берешь хуй мужа в рот и на следующий день целуетесь с ним?], @UniversalSuperBox ban please
 are you a bot?
 GUYS WHO ARE USING MI A3??
 @mrbri8side [GUYS WHO ARE USING MI A3??], No need for caps
 Sheesh
 @mrbri8side [GUYS WHO ARE USING MI A3??], I have one, but i have Android installed on it
 @TheVancedGamer [No need for caps], maybe a COBOL programmer 😆
 @Javacookies [maybe a COBOL programmer 😆], lol
 Or FORTRAN
 @rachk000 [Мои друзья бате твоему анус порвали], This group is in English only. And could you please pick (or amend) your profile image? It does show prohibitet symbols (Hakenkreuz). Thanks.
 @rachk000 [Тоесть ты берешь хуй мужа в рот и на следующий день целуетесь с ним?], Bro u more bad than people who share btc ads
 just ignore or report spammers please, it will be taken care of
 @LGeek [I have one, but i have Android installed on it], have you ever tried to dual boot??
 @Javacookies [which phone? maybe you need to start ssh manualky … sudo start ssh], Solved, i had to delete .ssh folder in my phone and follow guide again, not sure why it stops working
 @mrbri8side [have you ever tried to dual boot??], nope
 ?
 @Danfro [This group is in English only. And could you please pick (or amend) your profile …], this is an outright ban situation.
 wait
 i just want to boot ub touch & miui  side by side on a10 seems least possible
 @LGeek [Solved, i had to delete .ssh folder in my phone and follow guide again, not sure …], you deleted client .ssh folder?
 Did you authenticate with your password?
[08:47] <ubptgbot> yeah_what was added by: yeah_what
 @mrbri8side [have you ever tried to dual boot??], But maybe it is a bit easy to dual-boot since it has two slots, only problem is the shared and encrypted data partition, i assume the phone only can boot one OS and the other will bootloop because of the encryption
 @ItoRimai [Did you authenticate with your password?], No password, yes i delete the
 @ItoRimai [Did you authenticate with your password?], [Edit] No password, yes i delete the ~/.ssh
 @ItoRimai [Did you authenticate with your password?], [Edit] No password, yes i delete the ~/.ssh folder
 okay,I didn't read all messages. now It's okay.
 @ItoRimai [okay,I didn't read all messages. now It's okay.], It's working now :)
 @mrbri8side [i just want to boot ub touch & miui  side by side on a10 seems least possible], Probably not possible (because of data encryption), I never attempted to do so.
 I just translated the man who sent the Russian texts，All he said was dirty language.
 There are more and more strange creatures on the internet.😅
[09:04] <ubptgbot> pekkari was added by: pekkari
 @ItoRimai [There are more and more strange creatures on the internet.😅], Or more sophisticated bots. They seem to learn too and do not just post one message, but 'seem' to answer to others.
 @ItoRimai [I just translated the man who sent the Russian texts，All he said was dirty langu …], Thanks for checking. Good to make sure.
 soon spam bots will learn to report spammers to gain our trust...or maybe I am a spam bot all along 😂
 why UT can't add more vpn protocol?such as PPTP,L2TP
 has to be programmed by someone
 @ItoRimai [why UT can't add more vpn protocol?such as PPTP,L2TP], This is a community effort. If someone in the community (including you) thinks it is important and does the work it can happen.
 I'll Keep an opinion here,Maybe the next version will be added :)
 not if someone doesn't make it :)
 is there a bug filed for those?
 you can file proposals for enhancements
 but should come with some research
 @LGeek [But maybe it is a bit easy to dual-boot since it has two slots, only problem is …], of course we need two unencrypted roms,
 @ItoRimai [I'll Keep an opinion here,Maybe the next version will be added :)], basically if is important - let us know :) but maybe more explanation than just the name of a protocol :) https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 @mrbri8side [of course we need two unencrypted roms,], but majorly we need A kernel supporting both
[11:14] <ubptgbot> AbdoTawfik was added by: AbdoTawfik
 Galaxy A21s
 @AbdoTawfik [Galaxy A21s], Supported?
 @AbdoTawfik [Supported?], Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @K31j0 [Actin' like UBPorts doesn't use Android parts], the only "android" part ubuntu touch uses is the drivers lol, there are mainline ports as well :P
 @Fuseteam [the only "android" part ubuntu touch uses is the drivers lol, there are mainline …], AFAIK if you got no aliendalvik it’s true for sailfish as well since they use the same library for the same purpouse
 IIRC they created libhybris anyway
 @K31j0 [AFAIK if you got no aliendalvik it’s true for sailfish as well since they use th …], not exactly the same library but yeah they created libhybris :3
 Isn’t it the basis for halium?
 runs a container to access the system stuff
 [Edit] runs a container within the system to access the system stuff
 [Edit] runs a container within the linux system to access the system stuff
 @K31j0 [Isn’t it the basis for halium?], i'm a bit sparse on details on that to comment on that :3
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cneqFQHk.mp4
 This is so hard to put together in your head and keep it organized xD
 kinda is yeah 😂
 TIL the entirety of `/home` is a writable path
 yep, bind-mounted to /userdata/user-data
 i thought it was specific to /home/phablet but it appears it's just there 😆this kinda makes my other idea easier to do xD
 not quite relevant perhaps, but I decided to go back to android. thought it'd be as easy as fastboot flash recovery twrp & install lineageos. Kept getting hit with FAILED errors
 the cable was at fault. the cable FML
 (Photo, 587x117) https://irc.ubports.com/6LAKlFu8.png muahahahaha
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], ye installin' binaries without libertine?
 @K31j0 [ye installin' binaries without libertine?], yup just installed cargo :P
 I'd uhhh
 *slaps nix on top*
 no linker tho so it doesn't work yet 😂
 patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld
 (Photo, 949x76) https://irc.ubports.com/uwrH3LYH.png something say nix?
 (Photo, 949x76) https://irc.ubports.com/wMD0UkDc.png somebody say nix?
 well hello there
 patchelf 🤔
 the issue with nix for me is no working binary cache
 Also it'd be nice to have all dependencies with said ld :P
 Id?
 so the arm platforms don't have their packages built? what a bummer
 same issue with 686
 arm64 does i hear
 but armhf does not
 @Fuseteam [Id?], linker, if there's no deps then linker won't spawn them outta nowhere
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9wyaSCN6.webp
 been trying to set one up for armhf but i can't seem to hit my own cache xD
 @K31j0 [linker, if there's no deps then linker won't spawn them outta nowhere], oh interesting
 btw to setup nix in a way it survives you just need to make it path writable
 there's many interesting things man can do with binaries, but most are pain™
 [Edit] btw to setup nix in a way it survives you just need to make its path writable
 I use NixOS on my laptop and the way spotify is packaged is comical, the flow is like: download spotify snap, extract binary, hack it with patchelf and install to nix store
 kinda want to make it writable by default for nix but with no working armhf binary cache it's not that feasible lol
 it works well tho, in fact that distro is the most trouble-free I've ever had on a PC
 @K31j0 [I use NixOS on my laptop and the way spotify is packaged is comical, the flow is …], lmao
[13:15] <ubptgbot> wiliyablochko was added by: wiliyablochko
 How can I make Ubuntu Touch install on multirom for Nexus 5? Official multirom app seems outdated and it tries to retrieve content from dead servers.. … Anybody succeeded installing via multirom on Nexus 5 hammerhead?
 @R4N4C0D3R [How can I make Ubuntu Touch install on multirom for Nexus 5? Official multirom a …], multirom is not currently supported
 @R4N4C0D3R [How can I make Ubuntu Touch install on multirom for Nexus 5? Official multirom a …], get a second phone for Android, it'll be less pain
 @R4N4C0D3R [How can I make Ubuntu Touch install on multirom for Nexus 5? Official multirom a …], [Edit] get a second phone for Android, it'll be less painful
 does redmi note 7 ubport have volte?
 none of the supported device support volte yet
 @R4N4C0D3R [How can I make Ubuntu Touch install on multirom for Nexus 5? Official multirom a …], modify the apk to use ubports servers instead
 there was some kind of kernel hack needed for using multirom i believe
 kexecboot or something
 might do with security
 was easier before canonical flipped the images i thinK?
[14:36] <ubptgbot> Ilja Zero was added by: Ilja Zero
[14:38] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> So, I am thinking of flashing ubuntu touch to my phone. it is Xiaomi A2 Lite (Installer identifies it as: daisy_sprout), at the same time it says that there is no installer for my device. is that  a2 image inside installer for a A2 original and not lite and would it still work on A2 lite or displays are too different?
 completely different processor and graphics, different camera, different bluetooth
[14:50] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> interesting question, what does the: … Offline/Online charging means? is it wireless charging or..
 @Ilja Zero [interesting question, what does the: … Offline/Online charging means? is it wirele …], No, it means is the OS running or, it just stops right after initial boot, and you only see the chjarging animationb
 Like you power down your device, it reboots but stops then to fully boot.
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> OOH, thanks
[15:22] <ubptgbot> pedro_escobar was added by: pedro_escobar
 you'll need Internet for online charging otherwise, it won't work … that's what came to mind when I first heard those terms 😂
 lol
 @Javacookies [you'll need Internet for online charging otherwise, it won't work … that's what c …], lol lets finda  better name!
 @Javacookies [you'll need Internet for online charging otherwise, it won't work … that's what c …], I thought the same, though I supposed that "online" meant that the device was on and UT was already booted into.
 🤔
 Active / passive?
 [Edit] Active / inactive?
 Or maybe active / suspended?
 "inactive charging"
 "suspended charging"
 i dunno man 🤔
 The first idea doesn't have to the the best one... maybe this idea is no good but it has brothers and sisters? 🙂
 maybe "charging mode"? tho that can be confused with usb charging mode on android
 @klaartje_b [The first idea doesn't have to the the best one... maybe this idea is no good bu …], true 🙂
 or maybe flat out "charging animation" XD
 (Video, 6s) https://irc.ubports.com/QIFb2cu6.mp4
 Anyone familiar with this MX4 issue? First seen on devel, still present after a switch to stable. You can't really open the top menus for more than a second, and the settings app closes rapidly too.
 Also, persisted between several new devel images.
 wait is the launcher being triggered on its own?
 considering you switched channels it sounds like you'd rebooted as well
 Yep it is.
 And it did reboot.
 how did you switch channels?
 From settings, before it started to close on open.
 do you have ssh access?
 you might be able to take a look at unity8.log
 I can get `adb shell` going anyway, in a bit.
 alrighty
[18:01] <ubptgbot> KELs7 was added by: KELs7
 looks like freenode irc got into a legal scuffle: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/
 I just upgrade my MX4 to OTA17 earlier, haven't noticed that issue … I'll check
 I like to keep mine on devel for Anbox, if possible.
 ota 17 has all the changes for anbox atm
 Ah ok.
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> For those who are interested, Rudi and me just published the latest weekly news of the new Anbox (Halium) campaign and developments: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5907/open-ubuntu-touch-to-all-android-applications/33 … https://gofund.me/acb31504
 Where shall I find the unity8.log?
 lemme check where it is
 ah `.cache/upstart/unity8.log`
 welp why my dekko folder in `.cache` over a gig big 🙈
 [Edit] welp why my dekko folder in `.cache` over a gigabyte big 🙈
 it caches all emails? 😄
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MeawIcOT.null
 this might be relevant: `[2021-05-19:10:00:37.381] file:///usr/share/unity8//Stage/Stage.qml:150: TypeError: Type error`
 or not i'll have to defer to the more experienced
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0wXOvLsC.webp
 I'm using Alcatel 3L (5029D) and I didn't find a device I don't know which device is similar to it😕
 @Fuseteam [looks like freenode irc got into a legal scuffle: https://gist.github.com/joepie …], Oh jeesss not good
 @KELs7 [I'm using Alcatel 3L (5029D) and I didn't find a device I don't know which devic …], no devices are similar to it, you'll need to make a image specific for your device
 @Flohack [Oh jeesss not good], might be worth considering what to do with the ubports freenode irc channels, might also be worth to know that andrew lee is from pia according to a quick search
 @Flohack [Oh jeesss not good], [Edit] might be worth considering what to do with the ubports freenode irc channels, might also be worth to know that andrew lee is from private internet access, at least according to a quick search
 I knew irc was a hot mess, but reading up on it, there's just no bottom to this can of worms is there? I doubt a name change and moving servers is really going to solve anything in the long run. Different wrapper, same can of worms
 lol.  i'm always surprised that IRC is a thing.  Does it do anything useful or is it just for old schoolers who love old school stuff?
 whoops. this will go OT very qiuck.. sorry
 its real time messaging
 if your not online you don't get messages
 and honestly i kind of get the appeal
[20:32] <ubptgbot> sayanthtezro was added by: sayanthtezro
 I love ubuntu, and i love the idea about ubuntu touch
 How can i be a part of this?
 I mean, i wan to run this on my redmi note 7 pro ( violet ), and i need to gain official stable support yo it
 [Edit] I mean, i wan to run this on my redmi note 7 pro ( violet ), and i need to gain official stable support to it
 How can i contribute, what are the things i need to know first?
 Hi, perhaps you already checked out the ubports website? You can read up on what the project does, what UT looks like, what devices it supports,and how you can get involved. Just hanging around in the telegram groups or in the forums taught me a lot already
 Installing it on a device is a good way to get a good feel of what UT is like. You may find it feels and works differently from a desktop distro
 Theres quite a few ways to contribute. You can donate, develop or help improve apps, webapps, or even aspects of the OS itself. You could help test new features, translate, or you can learn how to port UT to even more devices. Even sharing experiences and passing on knowledge to newcomers, spreading the word to the world is a way
 @YougoChats [Installing it on a device is a good way to get a good feel of what UT is like. Y …], I know how ubuntu touch looks like, I've seen on many youtube videos.
 @YougoChats [Theres quite a few ways to contribute. You can donate, develop or help improve a …], Okay
 A year ago, i tried it with my device. Ubuntu touch gsi, by erfan. But that wasn't optimised for my device. Poor battery life, lack of functionalities like mobile data etc.
 But now i see some guy is working on it
 (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/z9FiP7qR.png
 (Photo, 590x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0np5Ar2w.png This guy is here?
 yes, @mardytardi
 Thanks TheKit ;-) im on teleports, cant search for tags right now
 @NotKit [yes, @mardytardi], Oh, cool
 @sayanthtezro [<reply to media>], keep going on @mardytardi
[22:00] <ubptgbot> crush_crush_crush was added by: crush_crush_crush
 Hi
 @crush_crush_crush [Hi], hi
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0nlkuRCD.webp


[08:58] <infinity> Daviey: So... You just subscribed the SRU team to a private bug that appears to have nothing to do with the changelog that linked it.
[08:58] <infinity> Daviey: Might be nice to look at the bugs in an SRU before accepting it. ;)
[08:59] <Daviey> infinity: Yes, that is something I am resolving.  I dropped the last digit, but did resolve it.
[08:59] <infinity> Daviey: Oh, the changelog was fine, it was you typoing it for sru-accept. :P
[09:00] <Daviey> Yes. :(
[09:00] <infinity> You can re-run sru-accept, at least.
[09:00] <Daviey> i did
[09:00] <infinity> And I cleaned up the private bug.
[09:01] <Daviey> ta
[09:22] <Daviey> infinity: Do you think this SRU candidate should be doing deluser on purge? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/134943143/qemu-kvm_1.2.0%2Bnoroms-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_1.2.0%2Bnoroms-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz
[09:22] <Daviey> infinity: http://wiki.debian.org/AccountHandlingInMaintainerScripts .. never got closed/agreed AIUI
[09:23] <infinity> Daviey: I'm firmly in the "don't delete on purge" camp.
[09:24] <infinity> Daviey: Especially since the adduser/group there is guarded with a getent, it's somewhat assuming you may have already had a local one and using that.
[09:24] <infinity> Daviey: So, deleting someone's local group is a bit rude. :P
[09:25] <Daviey> infinity: wfm
[13:59] <brendand> join #ubuntu-uds-foundations-1
[13:59] <brendand>  / ahem
[13:59] <ogra_> doit ... we know you can !
[15:04] <ogra_> infinity, awake ?
[15:04] <ogra_> or doko
[15:07] <doko> ogra_, ?
[15:08] <ogra_> doko, can you come to the android packagin session ?
[15:08] <ogra_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21807/foundations-1305-android-builds-revisited/
[17:06] <jdstrand> infinity: hey, so bug #1089488 completed verification today. it has another 12 hours to go before it has been in proposed for 7 days. I have security updates built on top of those proposed packages that I'd like to get out today (ie, not a friday update)
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1089488 in nova (Ubuntu Precise) "Meta bug for tracking Openstack Stable Updates" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089488
[17:07] <jdstrand> infinity: I'd like some advice. I'm fine with honoring the 12 hours, but I'm afraid I won't have someone from ubuntu-sru around to do the pocket copy when I need it done
[17:08] <jdstrand> (ie, 12 hours from now)
[17:08] <jdstrand> infinity: so, we could wait a few more hours and do it after UDS, or we could approve the pocket copy and I can do it myself
[17:08] <jdstrand> (later)
[17:11] <jdstrand> or someone can promise to be around in 12 hours
[17:23] <ScottK> jdstrand: Let's do it now.
[17:23] <ScottK> What needs releasing?
[17:24] <jdstrand> ScottK: cool, thanks
[17:24] <jdstrand> ScottK: glance, horizon, keystone and nova
[17:25] <jdstrand> for precise
[17:25] <ScottK> jdstrand: Just on precise?
[17:25] <ScottK> OK.
[17:25] <jdstrand> they are all green on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:29] <ScottK> jdstrand: Done.
[17:30] <jdstrand> \o/
[17:30] <jdstrand> ScottK: thanks :)
[17:30] <ScottK> You're welcom.
[17:59] <cjwatson> ftpmaster@debian did a NEW run, I see ...
[20:09] <cjwatson> wg 29
[20:09] <cjwatson> oops
[20:31] <Ursinha> infinity, are we meeting in 30 mins or would that be too cruel to wgrant and StevenK?
[20:32] <infinity> Ursinha: Pete cancelled the meeting this week.
[20:32] <infinity> Ursinha: And I have an action item to move the meeting time for next week.  Thanks for the reminder. :)
[20:32] <Ursinha> infinity, I wonder why it's still showing for me
[20:32] <Ursinha> hah, np :)
[20:33] <infinity> Ursinha: He cancelled it via email (which you weren't CCed on, apparently), but probably didn't bother on the calendar. :)
[20:33] <Ursinha> infinity, okay, thanks for letting me know :)


[12:08] <mdke> mm?
[12:10] <mdke> a link in the header to malone might work for what qgil was talking about
[12:10] <Burgwork> mdke, I was concerned about having doc.ubuntu.com being indexed and people linking to it
[12:12] <mdke> Burgwork, i dunno. having it indexed is an advantage from the point of view of people finding it and learning to contribute. it depends on whether there is sufficient clarity about what the site is
[12:13] <Burgwork> the name doesn't lend itself to that
[12:13] <mdke> no, the name doesn't
[12:13] <mdke> it would have to be done in the header
[12:14] <Burgwork> what about something like scratchpad.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <LaserJock> I wonder if something like a guestbook type wiki page on doc. for feedback would be good
[12:14] <LaserJock> where people can add notes
mediawiki has the ability for anon to add to talk pages, but not edit the main pages</dig>
[12:16] <LaserJock> yeah, that sure would be nice
[12:16] <LaserJock> that would be ideal for when move the wiki, I think
[12:16] <LaserJock> when we move, I mean
[12:17] <mdke> docteam.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Burgwork> sure, that works great
[12:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I like that
[12:17] <mdke> as for feedback, i don't think we should add anything to help.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <mdke> each doc should have a link to the bugtracker
[12:18] <mdke> but for doc.ubuntu.com, a link in the header bar would be nice
[12:18] <Burgwork> sure, that works
[12:18] <mdke> docs already have links to the bugtracker in the "feedback" section, tbh, i don't think we should go any further for help.u.c
[12:24] <LaserJock> trappist: ping?
[05:14] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[05:14] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia
[05:16] <Burgundavia> how much css do you know?
[05:22] <Kyral> CSS humwha?
[05:23] <robotgeek> hey all
[05:28] <robitaille> Burgundavia: have been known to do the odd web page using css.
[05:29] <Madpilot> hi all
[05:30] <Burgundavia> ah Madpilot, you are the person I am looking for
[05:30] <Burgundavia> I am beating my head against css in moin
[05:30] <Madpilot> am I?
[05:30] <Madpilot> sounds like fun
[05:30] <Madpilot> got a link?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Desktop
[05:30] <Burgundavia> can you make the text top justify in those tables?
[05:31] <Madpilot> let me look at it after I eat
[05:32] <Burgundavia> bah, eating :)
[05:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, javascript is simply not working in epiphany right now
[05:47] <Burgundavia> nor is search on the location bar. Wonder if they are related
[05:50] <robotgeek> i just caught the log of the meeting. looks like a fun meeting
[05:55] <LaserJock> robotgeek: it was
[05:55] <robotgeek> cool
[05:59] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco
[05:59] <jsgotangco> hey!
[05:59] <jsgotangco> long time no chat (i've been away)
[06:00] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: how is going?
[06:00] <robotgeek> last time i spoke to you, you asked me about a sanskrit name
[06:00] <jsgotangco> pretty good just catching up with work
[06:02] <jsgotangco> i've been catching up on emails but barely
[06:02] <jsgotangco> next week would be saner
[06:02] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: cool
[06:02] <jsgotangco> so are we extending?
[06:02] <robotgeek> LaserJock: was it dhelp you were talking about last week
[06:02] <robotgeek> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-03-17.html is meeting log
[06:03] <robotgeek> looks like we have +2 weeks
[06:03] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, you're one of our mailing list admins, right?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:03] <jsgotangco> something got stuck?
[06:03] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, just wanted to confirm that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact - the bit I added about non-subscribers sending to the list - was actually accurate
[06:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:04] <LaserJock> robotgeek: dhelp, although it doesn't work with the Ubuntu docs. only dwww and doc-central
[06:10] <jsgotangco> is anyone using ekiga here?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> nope, but I was forced to use skype this morning
[06:11] <robotgeek> work on ppc?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> their UI is total bong
[06:11] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: in the default install
[06:11] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: i'm kubuntu
[06:11] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:11] <Burgundavia> default ubuntu install, so yes
[06:11] <jsgotangco> i want to try my installation
[06:12] <jsgotangco> just in case<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:12] <robotgeek> lemme install :)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> bugger
[06:15] <Burgundavia> it gave me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:15] <jsgotangco> can i try it on you?
[06:15] <Burgundavia> sure, let me setup ekiga
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i registered pretty early so i got a neat name
[06:17] <Burgundavia> call me
[06:17] <Burgundavia> my sound is borked however
[06:18] <jsgotangco> it doesnt seem to connect
[06:19] <Burgundavia> says you are offline
[06:19] <jsgotangco> it says you're online
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hemmmmm
[06:20] <jsgotangco> wonder if i have to set anything to my router
[06:20] <Burgundavia> we are connected, did you just hear me?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> my sound card is borked right now
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i didnt hear anything
[06:21] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, this install is so borked. It is actually a flight3 install
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I was so busy with the book I didn't get a chance to ever test flight4
[06:21] <jsgotangco> i'll check my settings first
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hmm why does it say im offline
[06:23] <Burgundavia> I am still connected to you
[06:23] <Burgundavia> ok, ekiga's UI is still bong
[06:23] <Burgundavia> audio transmission status???
[06:23] <Burgundavia> how about "mute sound"
[06:23] <jsgotangco> i just turned it off
[06:24] <Burgundavia> and where is my hangup button?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> did you receive a message?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> ekk timeout
[06:24] <jsgotangco> wtf
[06:24] <jsgotangco> skype just works
[06:24] <Burgundavia> how does skype do it?
[06:25] <Burgundavia> I had to turn on upnp on my router
[06:25] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: ping
[06:25] <jsgotangco> i didnt do anything at all
[06:25] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: I am connected to you
[06:25] <Burgundavia> I really love the little lego brick button that changes the UI
[06:25] <Burgundavia> that is the best bong hit of this whole application
[06:25] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: can yo uhear me tho?
[06:26] <Madpilot> you figure the devs smoked up before working on this thing, Burgundavia? :P
[06:26] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: what's your ekiga account
[06:26] <robotgeek> jsgotangco<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:26] <robotgeek> it says yo uare offline
[06:27] <jsgotangco> this is bong
[06:27] <jsgotangco> i could log in but people dont see me
[06:27] <robotgeek> it did connecy
[06:28] <Burgundavia> I got through to jsgotangco and robotgeek
[06:28] <robotgeek> yeah, but i don't think i'm able to speak
[06:29] <Burgundavia> I have a nasty bug that prevents all sound from being played, so I could test that
[06:30] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: can you hear me?
[06:30] <jsgotangco> nope
[06:31] <jsgotangco> i always get a timeout
[06:31] <jsgotangco> crap
[06:31] <robotgeek> lemme test my sound, beb
[06:31] <robotgeek> brb
[06:33] <jsgotangco> how will i konw if i am online?
[06:36] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: it says you are offline, maybe problem is at my end
[06:37] <jsgotangco> on my part it says Registration failed: Timeout
[06:37] <robotgeek> ah, okay.
[06:38] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: how come you are able to call me, but i am not able to call you
[06:39] <jsgotangco> not sure if my router needs some configuring, im sure it should allow me
[06:40] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is sad. There has been no discussions of the user interface for several months
[06:40] <Burgundavia> guess they were working on the backend
[06:40] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: did you atleast get my text messages?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> it should say on status if im offline or not
[06:41] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: send another one, I am not certain
[06:41] <jsgotangco> loopback
[06:41] <jsgotangco> try calling to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:42] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: it connects
[06:43] <jsgotangco> that's the loopback
[06:44] <jsgotangco> i think i know my issue
[06:45] <jsgotangco> what a pain to make this work
[06:45] <jsgotangco> you should not have "symmetric NAT"
[06:45] <jsgotangco> instead, you should have cone or port restricted
[06:46] <robotgeek> same thing, i guess
[06:47] <jsgotangco> im just going to sleep first
[06:47] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:47] <robotgeek> later
[08:26] <Burgundavia> hmm, the moin install on the website supports html and the wiki doesn't
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: ping
[08:29] <Madpilot> hmmm?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> I am thinking about the main ubuntu page
[08:32] <Madpilot> and?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> it challenging to edit the main page with out knowing what it is going to look at
[08:36] <Madpilot> huh? was that English? :P
[08:38] <Burgundavia> I am watching Indiana Jones. One is not required to speak good english while watching an action flick
[08:40] <Madpilot> heh
[08:41] <robitaille> I watched the Truman Show tonight...my english doesn't seem to have improved or worsen because of it...
[08:43] <robotgeek> writing dtd also :)
[09:20] <mdke> morning
[09:20] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:20] <mdke> Burgundavia, you can create a page on the website to test.
[09:21] <mdke> start it with "#acl All:"
[09:21] <mdke> i think that should make it invisible to all but those on the master thing
[09:22] <Burgundavia> mdke: hmm, ok
[09:22] <Burgundavia> I will email henrik tomorrow and confirm that
[09:23] <mdke> or ask him to put the HTML parser on the normal wiki :)
[09:23] <Burgundavia> that too
[09:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, "our machine page" - you still watching bad movies while you type?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> huh? where did I post that?
[09:30] <Madpilot> your email just now about revamping the main website
[09:30] <Madpilot> I think you meant "main page", but I'm not at all sure :P
[09:31] <Burgundavia> probably
[09:31] <Madpilot> heh
[09:32] <Burgundavia> I pushed around words most of the day for our Enterprise Services presentation. I am not surprised I am making mistakes now
[09:37] <robotgeek> i'm trying to hack a status page with "support" for subsections and stuff
[09:38] <robotgeek> looks like i need to modify the xsl
[09:38] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: for the actual in-svn docs?
[09:39] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: the current xsl used to make the xml removes all support for distinguishing between chapters, sections and subsections
[09:41] <Burgundavia> hmm, sure that makes sense, but my brain doesn't want to compute ti right now
[09:41] <robotgeek> okay, i am going to bed.
[09:42] <robotgeek> i'll take a look at this, seems doable even to me
[09:54] <Burgundavia> hmm, interesting
[09:55] <Burgundavia> if you google for $distro + laptop, nobody but linspire has got a page about how great $distro is on a laptop
[09:55] <Madpilot> ???
[09:57] <Burgundavia> both fedora and ubuntu have their forums listed first
[10:09] <dsas> is the html for help.ubuntu.com stored in svn?
[10:13] <Madpilot> Oh, that's interesting - in our SVN - specifically teamstuff/artwork - the Ubuntu circle logo is quite different from the current one... odd
[10:13] <Burgundavia> how so?
[10:14] <Madpilot> compare teamstuff/artwork/ubuntu.svg to one of the current logos from the website - the outer circles are much smaller and the three-part main circle is much larger in proportion
[10:15] <Burgundavia> can you find a newer copy and nuke the copy in our repos?
[10:15] <Madpilot> sure
[10:17] <Madpilot> left-hand logo is from our SVN, right is from wiki artwork page: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/two-logos.png
[10:21] <Madpilot> does that artwork stuff actually get used at all?
[10:22] <Madpilot> the various docs have their own image directories
[10:27] <Madpilot> is there an SVN command to display when something was first added to the repo?
[10:29] <Madpilot> nevermind, 'svn log' works
[02:45] <ompaul> In  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto there is a suggestion of this at the top of the page sudo -s then the fakeroot stuff is explored any ideas on which way to run with this?
[07:10] <LaserJock> hi all
[07:10] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock
[07:12] <LaserJock> how's it going highvoltage ?
[07:31] <highvoltage> LaserJock: doin' ok
[07:31] <highvoltage> you?
[07:32] <LaserJock> busy, but ok I think
[07:33] <highvoltage> heh, that sounds familiar. i don't have time to think about 'how i am' :)
[07:36] <LaserJock> lol, I know the feeling
[08:47] <LaserJock> hi mdke!
[09:45] <LaserJock> hi manicka
[09:48] <manicka> hi
[11:11] <LaserJock> hi trappist
[11:21] <trappist> heya LaserJock
[11:33] <LaserJock> trappist: did you see that the iptables bug was closed?
[11:34] <trappist> I didn't.  cool :)


[01:01] <JackYu> ypwong, happyaron: youker-assistant准备今天发布1.0.0了，你们也review一下代码？
[08:17] <JackYu> happyaron, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1282914
[08:18] <happyaron> JackYu: got it
[08:18] <JackYu> :)
[08:18] <happyaron> JackYu: where's the update for unity-china-photo-scope?
[08:19] <happyaron> I don't see 1.2 release tarball.
[08:22] <JackYu> happyaron, wait a moment.
[08:25] <JackYu> happyaron, unity-china-photo-scope和unity-china-music-scope这两个scope更新了，我让shijing_在上传新的tar ball。
[08:25] <happyaron> great
[08:26] <happyaron> JackYu: 各发一个bug吧，这样我做的时候比较容易track……
[08:26] <JackYu> ok
[08:26] <happyaron> thx
[08:32] <maclin> happyaron, Bug #937968用gsettings修改配置可以实现一个简单的indicator快捷方式支持,不过加入版本还需要后面有空再测试一下
[08:40] <happyaron> maclin: 如果可能的话还是用最正常的方法增加支持，gsettings这样的办法相当不靠谱。。。
[08:41] <JackYu> happyaron, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-china-photo-scope/+bug/1282931
[08:45] <maclin> 那估计得修改sound menu了：https://launchpad.net/indicator-sound
[08:45] <happyaron> 嗯。
[08:46] <JackYu> happyaron, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-china-music-scope/+bug/1282933
[16:49] <happyaron> unity-china-photo-scope/1.2-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[16:49] <happyaron> unity-china-music-scope/1.0.5-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[17:07] <happyaron> indicator-china-weather/1.1.0-0ubuntu1 uploaded


[00:39] <aguitel> xubuntu 12.04 are using lightdm ?
[00:45] <GridCube> yes
[01:39] <Optichip> did a package just get released that prompts for all apt-get packages if they are not signed?
[01:45] <wab> Hello!
[01:45] <aquafina> hello
[01:45] <wab> How's it going?
[01:45] <aquafina> am upgrading to 12.04
[01:46] <aquafina> so watching things download :)
[01:46] <wab> haha I kind of like watching things download
[01:46] <wab> I just installed 12.04 as well. At first I tried to migrate from Ubuntu 10.10 or something, but my system was a mess.
[01:48] <wab> Does anyone have a second to answer some questions about the GUI in Xubuntu? I'm still confused about what the desktop environment program is, window manager, file browser, etc.
[01:48] <bazhang> thunar
[01:48] <aquafina> thunar is the file manager
[01:48] <wab> thunar is the file browser, right?
[01:48] <bazhang> xfce4  4.8
[01:48] <bazhang> yep
[01:48] <wab> ok and xfce4 is the desktop environment
[01:48] <wab> file browser = file manager?
[01:49] <bazhang> 4.10 is released but not in 12.04
[01:49] <aquafina> i am not sure what you mean by "file browser"
[01:49] <bazhang> thunar
[01:49] <wab> I suppose I'm using the wrong word. It sounds like it's just called a file manager.
[01:49] <bazhang> yep thats right
[01:50] <bazhang> you browse through you r files with it
[01:50] <wab> OK cool. So you know the shortcut key that gets underlined when you hold ALT in most window menus? I've heard of that as being called mnemonics.
[01:51] <wab> My question is if I can have those shown all the time.
[01:51] <wab> (i.e. without pressing ALT)
[01:55] <bazhang> whats the end goal
[01:57] <wab> Always have menu shortcuts underlined
[01:57] <wab> It is an option in Windows
[01:57] <aquafina> -.-
[01:58] <wab> Also if it isn't a simple option to change somewhere, I thought it might be a good learning adventure to try and modify the program to be able to do this.
[01:58] <aquafina> why do you want them shown all the time? so you can see what shortcut to use to activate a menu item?
[01:59] <t0rx__> can anyone help me with changing my graphics card driver? I have a Intel GMA3600 and I'm trying to get Compiz working.
[01:59] <wab> Yes
[02:00] <wab> It's one of those "not that useful, but should be able to do it" sort of things.
[02:00] <aquafina> dont think that is available as an option
[02:00] <aquafina> to turn on in all apps
[02:00] <aquafina> anyway. need to go grab something for breakfast.
[02:00] <wab> Enjoy!
[02:00] <wab> And thanks for the help
[03:33] <babababasss> hi folks
[04:37] <bmk1189> Hi. I'm using xubuntu 12.04 and I would like to know if there is a way to see multiple files properties with thunar. The "Properties" option is disabled when two or more files are selected
[04:40] <Unit193> Not that I know of, but don't use it all *that* much.
[04:41] <bmk1189> Mmm... thanks.
[05:08] <cem____> help
[05:10] <cem____> anybody can help
[05:10] <Unit193> Nope, we can't read minds.
[05:10] <Unit193> !ask
[05:13] <cem____> chromium download page http://i46.tinypic.com/2cp9u28.png
[05:14] <cem____> xubuntu 12.04 new os new browser and new user
[06:45] <xubuntu540> hi, I'm experiencing strange issue with xubuntu: when I use thunar to browse files, free space and used space sums is bigger than the whole partition, by some dzen of GB. this caused me to run out of disc space. what's happening? the disc is on, partition check fine too, nautilus on maverick (I used that before) showe correct values.
[06:46] <xubuntu540> ca someone please help me?
[07:00] <mihu> Hi. I have two PCs side-by-side with their monitors. The monitors are identical and run with the same resolution. One  system runs Ubuntu 10.10, the other Xubuntu 12.04. In both terminal applications, I have selected "Monospace 10" as the font, but they are shown differently. The Xubuntu 12.04 display looks a little thin and vertically squashed. The anti-aliasing is ok and I different fonts look ok as well, it's just that it does not
[07:02] <mihu> Hm, now that I look closer, "Monspace 10" is totally not like "Monospace 10" on the other. Individual characters like the "small g" look totally different.
[07:03] <xubuntu540> have you tried to change the kind of antialiasing used on the xubuntu?
[07:06] <xubuntu540> like changing hinting and sub-pixel order
[07:06] <xubuntu540> also, check the dpi and resolutions, must be the same
[07:29] <mihu> I have accidently changed Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Appearance -> Fonts -> Default Font, but cannot remember the original font used. Can anybody please tell me the "Default Font" for Xubuntu?
[07:30] <mihu> Ok, forget it. It depends on the "Style", so I just changed the style to something other and then back to "Greybird"
[07:31] <Marzata> it is Droid Sans
[07:31] <mihu> Marzata: Yes, thanks.
[07:59] <Jonne_> is there a way of getting xfce 4.10 on 12.04 without compiling it yourself?
[08:02] <Jonne_> from what i can find online, a ppa should be available any minute now
[08:02] <Jonne_> guess i'll wait a couple of days and try the ppa
[08:03] <mips1911> Jonne_, mrpouit said yester day that he woulp have uploaded the stuff to the server and then it still had to build. Dunno if that happened.
[08:04] <Jonne_> cool
[08:04] <mips1911> Jonne_, also waiting for 4.10, I'm currently sitting with a minimal install + openbox so I can do a clean install of 4.10 without any 4.8 stuff on my system. Waiting is killing me.
[08:05] <Jonne_> i guess if it needs to build on launchpad it could take a while, i imagine everyone's building new packages right after a release
[08:06] <mips1911> Yeah, I have no idea how long the building process takes on launchpad servers
[08:06] <mips1911> Anybody out there know how long it takes to build packages on launchpad?
[08:07] <Jonne_> there's actually one annoying bug in 4.8 that i can't find out whether it's fixed or not
[08:07] <mips1911> which one?
[08:07] <Jonne_> in dual-screen mode it shows the wrong open windows in one of my window lists right after startup
[08:08] <Jonne_> both window lists show the windows that are on screen 2
[08:08] <mips1911> have not noticed that
[08:08] <mips1911> wait, I think i did see that in 11.10
[08:08] <Jonne_> if i rightclick the one that shows the wrong windows, and check 'show windows from all monitors' and uncheck it again, it works correctly
[08:09] <Jonne_> really small bug, but annoying to do this every morning ;-)
[08:09] <Jonne_> i found a bug report on this a while ago, and there was a patch, but i don't know if it actually made it in
[08:10] <mips1911> we'll find out soon enough :)
[09:21] <boraynimon> hello good afternoon
[09:25] <mips1911> hi
[10:43] <mihu> Hi. After installing Xubuntu 12.04 I need to manually do a "service tftpd-hpa start" after boot to get my tftp-server starting properly. What is the right way to make this happen automatically?
[10:51] <ochosi> mihu: have you tried adding it to the autostarted applications?
[10:51] <ochosi> settings-manager > sessions and startup > application autostart
[10:53] <mihu> ochosi: Thanks for your answer. No. I have not tried anything. Looking at "application autostart" it seems this is for things running on behalf of the user. In contrast, the tftp server is a daemon that should be started on system start, or?
[10:57] <mihu> ochosi: "sysv-rc-conf" seems to do the trick.
[10:57] <ochosi> righty
[10:57] <ochosi> well i have no clue what you want to use the tftp server for
[10:57] <ochosi> usually services with autostart go into /etc/init.d/
[10:57] <ochosi> but this is hardly something you should have to do by hand, most applications should handle that for you
[10:58] <mihu> ochosi: I have some embedded systems that I can connect to a second ethernet adapter which want to download their kernels, root filesystem etc. via tftp.
[10:59] <ochosi> mihu: right, that sounds like you should know what you're doing anyway ;)
[11:01] <mihu> ochosi: Yes, but every time I update my host system to something different (this time: xubuntu 12.04), the way how these system services are started changes. I understood now that (x)Ubuntu still uses upstart and that sysv-rc-conf does the right thing for me.
[11:02] <ochosi> mihu: yup, i see your point. this was one reason why not to switch to debian on my homeserver, just don't want to manage two different approaches...
[11:03] <mihu> ochosi: :-)
[11:18] <martin__> since yesterday i have a problem with xfce4-power-manager in precise. it runs but doesn't seem to answer to dbus messages. i can't change the power settings and the panel battery applet doesn't start
[11:20] <martin__> it runs twice atm, which is strange enough in itself
[11:23] <martin__> and i can only kill them with SIGKILL
[11:32] <go8765> hello. after upgrade my x-server dont work. can anybody help me please to fix this?
[12:12] <schreber> can someone tell me why the terminal window in a fresh install of 12.04 is basically gray-on-white as opposed to the normal black-on-white and why it doesn't seem to be changeable/configurable ?
[12:16] <tea> same here.
[12:17] <schreber> never mind. I just re-configured the theme. I can't understand why they would set the default theme/colors to gray-on-white when it's always been black-on-white (or whatever white-on-black)
[12:52] <Kucuq> Hi, after updating to the new LTS xubuntu I standby does no longer work for me
[12:53] <Kucuq> well, the standby does, but after wakeup is thisplay is under "mist"
[12:53] <Kucuq> i can use the UI, but it's very dark, i have to log off, and log in again
[12:54] <Kucuq> and if i have to restart all my applications i could have used "off" aswell
[12:54] <Kucuq> killall xscreensaver does not work
[12:57] <xubuntu816> how does one start the Xubuntu desktop ? when startx does not seem to work ?
[13:17] <Kucuq> starx startxfce4 ?
[13:17] <Kucuq> *startx
[13:17] <nachtwolf> Hello
[13:25] <nachtwolf> can somebody help me set up the wlan-card in mein laptop?
[13:27] <nachtwolf> äh in my laptop, sorry, my english is not the best
[14:16] <qwerkus> hi: is there any workaround for the startup freeze "waiting for network configuration" in latest xubuntu ? Takes foreeeeeever to boot; thanks for help
[14:20] <mips1911> qwerkus, use a static config
[14:27] <Tetracomm> Hello.
[14:29] <aquix> hi fellow awesome person using xubuntu.
[14:30] <baizon> :)
[14:33] <aquix> never ever going to be nice again
[14:36] <Pici> heh
[14:36] <momoboy> I am sure everyone here is getting questions about xfce 4.10 backported or ppa'd to the current LTE 12.04... any progress?
[14:37] <holstein> momoboy: you can always build it
[14:37] <holstein> or set up a PPA for others to use :)
[14:37] <momoboy> yea i read about that already... but its easier if a much more experienced user does it and does it properly and makes it available for us noobs
[14:38] <qwerkus> @mips1911: what do you mean by static config ? No dhcp ?
[14:39] <aquix> what window decorators are available for us compis users? I compiled emerald, but it's not a long lasting solution.
[14:39] <holstein> emerald is what i used til i ditched compiz in xubuntu
[14:39] <momoboy> on a side note, if i do build xfce 4.10 by myself will it replace the current 4.8 or will i have an option the LightDM to select between 4.8 and 4.10?
[14:41] <aquix> I'll ditch compiz too when I find something like it's scale plugin. It's to useful to be without.
[14:41] <baizon> momoboy: it will replace 4.8
[14:43] <momoboy> yea thats what i am kinda worried about, incase i mess up i still want 4.8 there to fall back to it and clean the 4.10 install and wait for a ppa, so is there a way to have it available as an option when i log in to pick between 4.8 and 4.10?
[14:45] <WrigleyPete> momoboy: you can install two xubuntus side by side and experiment in second one all you want... and if everything goes ok, you can build 4.10 in your primary system...
[14:45] <mips1911> qwerkus, yes
[14:45] <momoboy> oh so can't have two different versions available concurrently on the same system... interesting
[14:47] <mips1911> momoboy, just copy all the .deb packages from your cd/iso to /var/cache/apt/archives and reinstall 4.8 or backup your /var/cache/apt/archives befoe you install 4.10
[14:47] <momoboy> thanks mips1911
[14:49] <mips1911> momoboy, always handy to have a backup of your cache, I started keeping one since 11.10 and it save a lot of time/bandwidth if you have to reinstall stuff
[14:52] <qwerkus> @mips1911, I don't have dhcp; I use a VPN connection over WLAN
[14:54] <mips1911> qwerkus, then I don't know, sorry
[14:54] <baizon> or just install a virtual machine :D
[15:30] <nishttal2> i notice that each Xscreen has different settings for sound
[15:30] <nishttal2> is there a way to make them global
[15:30] <nishttal2> so if i set volume on one xscreen.. its set for others
[15:44] <alopez> Hi, good day... i need some help with this stuff....
[15:44] <mips1911> what stuff
[15:45] <alopez> hi @mipss1911
[15:46] <alopez> i have a p4 with 845g graphics, intel 845 board and 1 g of DDR1...
[15:46] <alopez> but the system go very slow
[15:47] <alopez> what can i do for performance?
[15:47] <alopez> i dont have opengl enabled...
[15:48] <mips1911> have you disabled compositing?
[15:48] <mips1911> You could also try the Intel drivers from the x-swat PPA if they are newer.
[15:48] <mips1911> Disable some services you don't need.
[15:49] <alopez> nope... is enabling right now, but if i disabled compositing dont changes anything...
[15:49] <mips1911> disabling compositing will give you a snappier desktop on a intel gpu
[15:49] <alopez> wait... what is x-swat??
[15:50] <mips1911> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[15:50] <mips1911> xserver-xorg-video-intel	 2:2.19.0-0ubuntu1~xup1
[15:50] <mips1911> what exactly is slow?
[15:52] <alopez> everithing goes slow :S
[15:52] <alopez> the web browser, the software updater... video crashes some times..
[15:53] <alopez> sorry, everything
[15:53] <mips1911> did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[15:53] <alopez> mi english need some practice :S
[15:53] <alopez> yes, is a fresh install
[15:54] <alopez> *my*
[15:54] <mips1911> hard for me to say sitting here and not being able to see for myself
[15:55] <alopez> can i send you some reports about lspci -vvnn... or something like that?
[15:55] <alopez> throug pastebin?
[15:55] <mips1911> Rather post that info in the ubuntu forums and ask for help
[15:56] <mips1911> someone might be able to help you out.
[15:56] <mips1911> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=333
[15:58] <alopez> ok mips, good idea, and i gonna check about x-swat too :)
[17:01] <martinphone> what do I use to make dvd copies? no ISO, mp4 or mkv output
[17:09] <recon_lap> martinphone: sort of depends what you tyring to do, many copies of one cd or one cope of many cd's
[17:10] <martinphone> recon_lap, one copy with embedded subtitles (on and off options) in either mp4 or mkv
[17:10] <martinphone> or
[17:10] <martinphone> the copy and the option of making a subtitles file
[17:12] <drc> martinphone: So what you really want is NOT a copy of the DVD, you want to rip the dvd (movie) to another format?
[17:12] <aquix> install mkvtoolnix-gui
[17:12] <recon_lap> martinphone: well I like Acidrip
[17:13] <martinphone> no, no ISO copy, I want to rip the movie to one of those outputs... unless you suggest any other output format
[17:14] <recon_lap> martinphone: acidRip rips movies to lots of formats not just ISO
[17:14] <mips1911> handbrake, not sure about subtitles though
[17:14] <martinphone> recon_lap, can I choose the output quality?
[17:14] <aquix> failure of communication I suspect
[17:14] <martinphone> when I was in ubuntu I used k9copy
[17:15] <recon_lap> martinphone: there are more options that I care to try
[17:15] <martinphone> restart required, brb
[17:15] <aquix> k9copy is a kde program ?
[17:16] <drc> martinphone: Just install k9copy from the Software center
[17:16] <recon_lap> aquix: is mkvtool good?
[17:17] <aquix> recon_lap, it's good for merging whatever into a single mkv, like youtube flv's
[17:18] <recon_lap> aquix: I must be getting old, don't recognise the tla's :)
[17:19] <aquix> tla = the last airbender?
[17:19] <aquix> also the lose an*s
[17:20] <recon_lap> three letter abbreviation = tla
[17:21] <aquix> sorry, norwegian here, had to search abbreviation
[17:23] <recon_lap> ok, back to figuring out java paint events ;)
[17:23] <aquix> god luck with that :)
[17:23] <mips1911> aquix, where in Norge?
[17:23] <aquix> bergen
[17:23] <aquix> u+
[17:24] <mips1911> cool
[17:24] <martinphone> brasero and xfburn do the same thing, right? they copy dvds, they dont rip dvds...
[17:24] <aquix> ?
[17:24] <mips1911> South Africa, nice and warm :)
[17:24] <aquix> lucky you
[17:24] <mips1911> yeah, i say thanks every day
[17:24] <martinphone> lucky for being in a country with 30% rates of aids?
[17:25] <mips1911> martinphone, it's actually higher
[17:25] <aquix> screw the right people
[17:25] <mips1911> but lets not get into politics.
[17:25] <aquix> nope
[17:26] <aquix> martinphone, yeah, xfburn does the job
[17:26] <recon_lap> martinphone: acidRip not up to the task?
[17:27] <aquix> Again. xubuntu 12.04 is such a fine release. my laptop is more silent than a kitten. Awesome release.
[17:28] <ichat> just a small question,  is it really true that  xubuntu precise wil not be supported for the comming 5 years like cononical has prommised... and if so... why is that?
[17:28] <martinphone> help the noob: rip a dvd = extracting the movie from it to a non ISO format like mp4
[17:28] <martinphone> right?
[17:29] <drc> ichat: I <think> that the Xubuntu team decided to go with 3 years instead of 5 because that fits better into the xfce scheme of support.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
[17:30] <mips1911> martinphone, tried handbrake?
[17:30] <recon_lap> just clicked update on my media box :)
[17:30] <martinphone> ill test acidrip...
[17:30] <martinphone> why mips1911 ? is handbrake better=
[17:30] <martinphone> ?
[17:30] <recon_lap> martinphone: I'v used acid rip to copy dvd with subs to my hdd in some format or other, avi i think
[17:30] <drc> martinphone: If you are used to k9copy, why not just install that (it's in the Software Center) ?
[17:31] <mips1911> it's the only thing I use. but not sure about your subtitle requirements
[17:31] <recon_lap> bit shaky on the sub-titles, but remember seeing the options
[17:31] <ichat> drc :( - sounds sad... because all servers require   LTS releases  from policy...  and this would mean i cant install xubuntu desktop on my ltsp server?
[17:32] <martinphone> drc, cause I moved to xubuntu to try lightweight things
[17:33] <recon_lap> I moved to xubuntu because I can keep my screen layout.
[17:33] <Unit193> Xubuntu is midweight anyway.
[17:33] <drc> True dat :)
[17:33] <Unit193> Did he look at xfburn then?
[17:33] <drc> Unit193: He wants a ripper not a copier.
[17:34] <martinphone> can the output be mkv with handbrake mips1911 ?
[17:34] <ochosi> ichat: drc is right, it's "only" 3 years of support for xubuntu 12.04. but then again: this is the first real LTS for xubuntu
[17:35] <mips1911> yes, it only does mkv and mp4 or whatever it's called, has lots of settings for encoding etc.
[17:35] <ochosi> ichat: also: the ubuntu-components of xubuntu will have 5 years of support, just xfce will not be supported longer than 3. which makes total sense because a new xfce version will be included in 12.10
[17:36] <martinphone> who will use 12.04 in 3 years time?
[17:36] <ichat> martinphone - me  in an tlsp envirment (hopefully)
[17:36] <martinphone> mips1911, did you choose the ppa package? I run a 64 bit xubuntu
[17:37] <drc> martinphone: You'd be surprise how many people either have problems with the normal 6 month upgrades or want longer stability times and decide to stay with the LTS versions
[17:37] <mips1911> can't remember, think it was a PPA
[17:38] <mips1911> yes, I  used a PPA
[17:39] <mips1911> https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-releases  but I don't see a 12.-4 package yet
[17:40] <martinphone> me neither...
[17:41] <ichat> drc  we still run windows 2003 as a remote application desktop server,  and we indend to replace that with   ubuntu precise ltsp...    and hopefully i can use xfce for it, as it uses a lot less resources than   unity.. :)
[17:41] <recon_lap> I'm still on 10.04 on ubuntu :) some people like stability
[17:41] <ichat> anyway thnx for the info
[17:42] <ichat> recon_lap    10.04 xfce on my netbook  runs flawless
[17:42] <aquix> recon_lap, step into the future, xubuntu 12.04 is a great release
[17:44] <recon_lap> I will, normally wait a month or so before upgrading, gives everything a chance to settle down
[17:44] <drc> DL times are better also :)
[17:45] <ichat> drc  - use the torrents...
[17:45] <drc> ichat: I do, but it takes time to propagate the torrents
[17:45] <babble> I'm holding off as there's a gtk3.4 vs. Secondlife-everything bug, apparently.
[17:46] <ichat> i usually try to download it for a mirror just befor the lauch when its still syncing... so  i can seed it once the officiall torrent is release :P  and i have a  70mbit upload
[17:46] <mips1911> ichat, I hate you
[17:47] <ichat> mips1911 - sorry man
[17:47] <mips1911> :)
[17:47] <ichat> all my friends are like... ok so whats the download and i just give them the torrent
[17:50] <martinphone> I need help with this: https://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html#ubuntu
[17:50] <martinphone> I cannot add those 2 lines to my source.list file, I dont have permissions to edit it
[17:52] <martinphone> ok, what does conflict with vlc?
[17:52] <drc> martinphone: You mean you don't have sudo permission or you can't add those lines as a <user> ?
[17:53] <martinphone> I cannot add those lines as user
[17:53] <drc> can you say "sudo" ?  I thought you could
[17:57] <drc> martinphone: mkvtoolnix/gui is in synaptic
[17:58] <drc> you chouldn't need to add anything to your sources.list
[17:58] <martinphone> drc I dont know what I did: vlc was auto removed
[17:59] <martinphone> I dont know if it has something to do with mkvtool, but I prefer vlc to mkvtool...
[18:00] <drc> martinphone: If you have vlc installed you already have qt (as a dependency)...therefor you should be able to add k9copy without to much additional baggage.
[18:01] <martinphone> i see...
[18:02] <drc> I won't promise it, I have no idea what k9's dependencies are.  But it makes sense.
[18:03] <aquix> k9 pulls down a lot of kde crap
[18:04] <drc> aquix: yeah, but qt itself has to be a big part of that crap :)
[18:04] <aquix> sure, but no good for a xfce user :)
[18:06] <recon_lap> probably get the dvd riped quicker than installing the app to do it :)
[18:06] <drc> aquix: I agree, but if he 1) has vlc installed, he has qt already; 2) he's used to k9copy already, so if he has a big part of the dependencies already installed, it makes sense to me to go with what he already knows/is used to :)
[18:07] <recon_lap> martinphone: did you try acid rip?
[18:07] <drc> just sayin'
[18:07] <aquix> drc,  yeah. and that is the tradigy at hand.  :)
[18:08] <aquix> brb
[18:08] <drc> me too...tea time....
[18:11] <martinphone> how do I clean clean apt-cache ?
[18:12] <Unit193> sudo apt-get clean? I don't know what exactly you're trying to do.
[18:13] <martinphone> Unit193, restoring a workable vlc, join me in #videolan if you wish
[18:15] <martinphone> there is this vlc-data that is one day ahead than the other files of the ppa
[18:16] <recon_lap> lol, big opps for someone
[18:17] <martinphone> what do I do? wait one day to see if the vlc guys update it to the same version?
[18:19] <Unit193> Give us the link when you do    apt-cache policy vlc |pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com    and    apt-cache policy vlc-data |pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com
[18:22] <martinphone> http://pastebin.com/1AykWWiS and http://pasteb respectivelyn.com/qXaLEifw
[18:22] <martinphone> crap
[18:22] <martinphone> http://pastebin.com/1AykWWiS and http://pastebin.com/qXaLEifw
[18:25] <Unit193> And how long since you last did sudo apt-get update?
[18:27] <martinphone> sudo apt-get update = synaptic reload?
[18:27] <mips1911> yes
[18:28] <martinphone> 2 minutes ago
[18:28] <aquix> martinphone, in terminal read        man apt-get               you'll be better for it
[18:29] <Unit193> Since it's a daily ppa, that seems like your best action, or switch ppas.
[18:29] <Unit193> I personally use the n-muench/vlc one.
[18:30] <recon_lap> martinphone: you could try "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[18:30] <aquix> btw. man pages needs a redoning. I thing they are useful but terrible to read.
[18:31] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apt-get
[18:31] <Unit193> That any better? :P
[18:32] <aquix> no
[18:32] <recon_lap> vlc player install fine for me, nothing wrong with repo
[18:32] <aquix> in terminal I mean.
[18:32] <aquix> good
[18:33]  * drc wonders how the hundreds/thousands of manpage maintainers are going to be coordinated to fix them ?
[18:33] <recon_lap> thats on my ubuntu box
[18:34] <drc> Actually, one of the other xfce distros (I <think> its salix) has a gui for reading man pages.  It doesn't change them in any way, but it makes them easier to read.
[18:35] <recon_lap> I'm off, good luck martinphone doing whatever it is your trying to do
[18:36] <martinphone>  Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:37] <starn> hello, i'm looking for web dev tool for xubuntu that functions kinda like dreamweaver.. honestly i just want the built in FTP access like dreamweaver has. any suggestions?
[18:38] <aquix> martinphone, in terminal try this:    sudo apt-get -f install
[18:39] <Unit193> I don't recommend those, but kompozer and bluebird are some.
[18:40] <starn> Unit193: thanks. trying to avoid kompozer. but i'll look into bluebird.
[18:41] <starn> Unit193: did you mean bluefish?
[18:42] <Unit193> BlueGriffon
[18:42] <aquix> don't do kompozer. it will bring down the whole kde dependencies. screw that.
[18:43] <Unit193> (note, none of these are the best, and I'm not recommending one or the other, just options)
[18:44] <mneptok> starn: Bluefish is not an HTML-mode editor. like others, it can do previews, but it's a text editor.
[18:44] <starn> Unit193: alright well thanks. i'm gonna pass on bluegriffon it's to heavily intergrated for firefox. haha i think i found something of use. syntax ftp support and previewer which i don't care for the previewer function just syntax and ftp.
[18:45] <mneptok> starn: take a long look at jEdit.
[18:45] <mneptok> starn: you can use it anywhere Java runs. so Linux, Windows, OSX etc etc.
[18:45] <mneptok> !info jedit
[18:46] <starn> mneptok: does it support ftp?
[18:46] <mneptok> starn: via a plugin, yes. and SFTP and SCP etc etc.
[18:46] <mneptok> starn: install from packages, the app has a plugin manager in the menu system.
[18:48] <mneptok> starn: repeat the same procedure on other OSes. only 1 interface to learn.
[18:48] <starn> alright mneptok i'll look into it when i get home for now i gtg. not gonna bother logging outa irc. haha
[18:55] <beyler> chromium http://i46.tinypic.com/2cp9u28.png  What is the reason it 12.04
[18:57] <beyler> anyone help me?
[18:57] <drc> can't open the url
[18:58] <drc> ah...there it goes
[18:59] <beyler> No problem in downloading
[18:59] <beyler> photo here seems broken
[18:59] <aquix> jesus tittiefucking christ....
[19:00] <Unit193> !language | aquix
[19:03] <beyler> i m from trömsö
[19:05] <aquix> sorry. I was wrong.
[19:26] <xubuntu222> hello
[19:28] <xubuntu222> i was wondering if i can upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 to xubuntu 12.04....from inside of ubuntu?
[19:32] <hocineadjou> hello
[19:33] <Unit193> xubuntu222: Note quite, have to install xubuntu-desktop either before or after upgrade.
[19:33] <Unit193> !purexfce
[19:35] <xubuntu222> ok thanks
[20:29] <syddraf> When attempting to shutdown Xubuntu, it freezes on the shutdown screen. Is there a way to find out what is actually happening and how to stop this from occurring?
[20:46] <manitou> hi need help with script im trying to make script to set brightness when is on AC and to change when is on BATTery ! here is http://paste.ubuntu.com/965534/ if some can check , im not good at it , its my first script ! :)
[20:46] <manitou> intel_backlight command work .
[21:10] <xubuntu089> can anyone tell me how to enable num lock in xubuntu please as the num lock button doesn't work?
[21:17] <bramwelt> Who should I contact about hosting a mirror for xubuntu?
[21:18] <pleia2> bramwelt: I'm not sure, but you can sign up for the xubuntu-devel mailing list and ask there
[21:19] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[21:19] <pleia2> (don't worry, it's not very busy :))
[21:20] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors is probably applicable
[21:21] <aquix> not busy at at all a couple of daysa FTER A RELEASE ;)
[21:22] <aquix> sorry about the caps
[21:22] <bramwelt> pleia2: The OSL already hosts an ubuntu mirror for ISOs and Packages. :) The process for xubuntu is the same? Make an account on launchpad and list our mirror on xubuntu?
[21:23] <pleia2> bramwelt: I really don't know, I'd suggest asing on xubuntu-devel
[21:23] <pleia2> asking too
[21:23] <aquix> asing away
[21:24] <bramwelt> pleia2: Okey dokey! Thanks for the help! :)
[21:24] <aquix> but I helped too :)
[21:25] <bramwelt> aquix: Haha, thanks to you too! :P
[21:25] <aquix> lol :)
[21:34] <irro94> ciao gente
[21:45] <babble> does anyone know what changed from gtk3.2 and 3.4 to cause secondlife clients to crash xorg?
[21:47] <beyler> hi folks
[22:02] <tehmole> hi...
[22:02] <tehmole> have a quick question
[22:02] <babble> tehmole: go ahead and ask -- somebody will likely have an answer.
[22:03] <tehmole> i'm trying to install office 2010 from wine / playonlinux
[22:03] <tehmole> and i'm getting wine install errors
[22:03] <tehmole> i read through a bunch of threads and forums
[22:03] <tehmole> still can't solve it
[22:03] <Unit193> Do you have the error?
[22:04] <babble> looks like WineHQ only reports "Gold" for Debian Wheezy: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=17336
[22:04] <ignacio> hola
[22:04] <tehmole> it's the generic - invalid parameter received
[22:04] <ignacio> ya tengo xubuntu 12.04 , se me fue casi odos los bug que tenia en 11.10
[22:04] <drc> tehmole: You also might want to ask on #winehq
[22:05] <tehmole> oh .. i forgot they had a chan
[22:05] <tehmole> nice
[22:05] <tehmole> thank you
[22:06] <drc> tehmole: np...I didn't mean not to ask here, but that you'd probably get any answer quicker there.
[22:07] <tehmole> yeah ... just posted on their chan...hopefully it will be answered
[22:07] <tehmole> thanks drc
[22:41] <ichat> on a freshly installed xubuntu 12.04 ... how do i swap nuveau for  nvidia non free...  my screen just blanks and it doesn't really seem to want to go into console mode :S
[22:42] <xubuntu327> have you tried instalilng via additional drivers option?
[22:42] <ochosi> ichat: you can either use jockey to install the restricted drivers or use synaptic or ubuntu software center
[22:42] <drc> try additional drivers
[22:43] <xubuntu327> additional drivers makes it painless
[22:43] <ichat> the problem is... i cant login because of this
[22:43] <xubuntu327> so fresh install and you can't even login using the generic video driver?
[22:43] <ochosi> in that case you have to "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current"
[22:44] <ochosi> that would install the driver
[22:44] <xubuntu327> that should work
[22:44] <ichat> its ctrl+alt+f6 right?
[22:44] <ochosi> ichat: for what?
[22:44] <xubuntu327> to get to command line i believe f2
[22:44] <ochosi> ichat: usually 1-6 are tty, 7 is X11
[22:44] <xubuntu327> different tty though so shouldn't matter
[22:45] <xubuntu327> one of those should get you there
[22:47] <ichat> no idea why but it wont let me..
[22:47] <ichat> i will just ignore key press and go into xfce
[22:47] <ichat> (it)
[22:53] <ichat> ah i got a root shell via the safemode
[22:54] <ichat> where what file can i change x to use  vga safe
[23:02] <ichat> euh... where is the xorg.conf ?
[23:03] <ochosi> ichat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:05] <ichat> i dont believe this
[23:05] <ichat> its not there
[23:06] <ochosi> it's not really used much anymore
[23:07] <ichat> so how to i set xorg to vga  for the root terminal than
[23:08] <ochosi> best to google for it, pasting stuff into here doesn't make much sense (too many lines)
[23:14] <ichat> hmmm  at least  appending  vga=771 to my grub isn't working... this really becomes anoying  and only just because it ship with disfunct drivers...
[23:17] <user__> Gimp 2.8 is official, but apt only shows 2.6. Will this change? Or should I ask in #ubuntu?
[23:20] <babble>  there are instructions for adding the Gimp 2.8 stable PPA on WebUpd8:
[23:20] <babble> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/gimp-28-stable-finally-available-for.html
[23:20] <user__> thanks!
[23:23] <Unit193> Remember that PPAs aren't officially supported.
[23:24] <user__> that's OK. this is a fresh xubuntu install. if i screw things up, i'll just reinstall.
[23:32] <user__> gimp 2.8 install was successful. thanks.


[09:31] <spippi> hi at all
[09:31] <spippi> i have 2 question
[09:32] <spippi> first i have download and installed last version of edubuntu, but know ask me update at 18.08 LTS, i must do or not?
[09:34] <spippi> can you help me?