[02:45] <Czar> hi
[03:20] <Azelphur> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404520,00.asp lmfao at this
[03:31] <hbt272> hi
[06:09] <kaushal> Hi
[06:11] <kaushal> I have this pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/991883/
[06:11] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes, let people pay MORE to remove crapware
[06:12] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: indeed :P
[06:12] <kaushal> is there a way i prepend absolute path to all the filename using gedit or notepad ++ or geany ?
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: not easily
[06:12] <kaushal> For example /home/testuser/ffdaa/contact_us.tpl
[06:13] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: there's "chroot", but that only works as root, and you'll need to install all binaries inside the chroot :|
[06:13] <kaushal> so finally it would look like cp /home/testuser/ffdaa/contact_us.tpl /home/testprod/ffdaa/contact_us.tpl
[06:13] <MartijnVdS> ah
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> you could put it in a variable and use that..
[06:14] <kaushal> using gedit or notepad ++ or geany ?
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> TEST_PATH=/home/testuser/ffdaa
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> and use
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> $TEST_PATH/filename
[06:14] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: there are around 50 lines
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> you could 'cd' to it
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> and use ./
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> (or nothing)
[06:15] <kaushal> I think geany or some apps
[06:15] <kaushal> but not sure how to do it
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> I think you're trying to solve the wrong problem
[06:15] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[06:16] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: sure
[06:19] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: any equivalent software of notepad ++ available in Ubuntu ?
[06:21] <MartijnVdS> Lots of text editors are
[06:21] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: any specific one ?
[07:19] <DJones> Morning all
[07:36] <christel> morning lovelies
[07:41] <DJones> morning christel
[07:43] <christel> hellooo :D
[07:44] <DJones> Damm, just tried to change tabs in Chrome using Alt 1, Alt 2 etc thinking I was in irssi
[07:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:53] <daubers> Is it me or is OSX Lions recovery stuff really pants?
[07:54] <daubers> Failed to download overnight, now got half way through "downloading additional components" and is failing again
[08:03]  * MartijnVdS gives daubers an Ubuntu CD to recover with
[08:09] <daubers> We started with "about 3 minutes remaining" and are now at "about 9 minutes remaining"
[08:09] <daubers> Too much of this http://xkcd.com/612/
[08:13] <popey> morning all
[08:14] <oimon> mornin
[08:16] <AlanBell> morning
[08:16] <MooDoo> morning popey oimon AlanBell
[08:18] <oimon> sorry for offtopic but do any android users know a quicker way to force close an app? always have to FC facebook and restart, and settings-apps-manage-facebook-FC is rather long winded for a process i have to do most of the time
[08:19] <AlanBell> oimon: I have a program monitor widget that shows running programs and lets me exit them
[08:20] <davmor2> morning all you funky morning types
[08:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah! meh!
[08:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: what?
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: tired and forgot my wallet
[08:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ouch that's not a good start
[08:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: no seeing as i need to buy something doh!
[08:25] <arsen> wow, ive been inadvertently forced into SLED 11
[08:25] <arsen> and its an awful place to be.
[08:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:30] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski
[08:42] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning peeps :)
[08:43] <dwatkins> hiya bigcalm_laptop
[08:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[08:48] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: want me to be a proxy for podding davmor2?
[08:48] <czajkowski> ah yes
[08:48] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: i think czajkowski is mean enough to take care of herself :)
[08:49] <bigcalm_laptop> MooDoo: I don't think czajkowski arms are that long
[08:49] <bigcalm_laptop> MooDoo: today I am sitting next to davmor2
[08:49] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: ah poor davmor2  ;)
[08:49] <bigcalm_laptop> Like that is it then?
[08:49] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: ;)
[08:50] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: you going to oggcamp?
[08:50] <davmor2> meh need to restart sudo issue
[08:50] <oimon> AlanBell, thanks, i'll look into that
[08:50] <oimon> a bit like advanced task killer?
[09:11] <bigcalm_laptop> MooDoo: I am indeed
[09:11] <bigcalm_laptop> MooDoo: you?
[09:12] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: i am, guess i better buy you a beer for insulting you earlier :) lol
[09:12] <bigcalm_laptop> \o/
[09:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:21] <mattt> brobostigon: WOOTMORNING
[09:21] <brobostigon> morning mattt
[09:22] <bigcalm_laptop> mattt: bit happy for a Thursday?
[09:24] <mattt> haha
[09:24]  * mattt tones it down
[09:24] <MooDoo> mattt: put the pills away
[09:25] <Linuxsapien> what file manager can anyone suggest I could try.. im using gnome comm', but it sometimes doesnt behave.
[09:25] <popey> comm?
[09:26] <Linuxsapien> comm'
[09:27] <popey> i have no idea what "comm'" is
[09:28] <christel> bigcalm_laptop: buy me beer.
[09:28] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: it will be my pleasure :)
[09:30]  * DJones guesses that gnome comm is "Gnome commander"
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> mc, or learn how to use the shell ;)
[09:31] <DJones> Linuxsapien: Assuming it is, I've never needed anything beyond Nautilus as a file manager
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> if you ask me
[09:31] <christel> bigcalm_laptop: excellent! not too long until RAT :D
[09:31] <bigcalm_laptop> Woop woop
[09:32] <bigcalm_laptop> Really looking forward to it
[09:32] <DJones> bigcalm_laptop: Should that not be "Toot, Toot" as its a train
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> beep beep
[09:33] <DJones> Thats a road runner
[09:33] <bigcalm_laptop> Swig, parp
[09:33] <brobostigon> meep meep. is road runner.
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: http://ftw.popey.com/ ?
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: (related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARP_inhibitor)
[09:34] <popey> also, why does Linuxsapien look like he's logged in as 'root'
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> Being logged in as r00t is l33t!
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> also, a very bad idea
[09:34] <popey> oh, okay ☺
[09:34] <DJones> Does the live cd do that? irc as root etc
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> DJones: only if you start the irc client as root
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm - how do I remove a directory from my personal folders in Ubuntu One?
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> Live CD is usually user "ubuntu" I think
[09:35] <Linuxsapien> i know, because it seems to "irritate" people, its not actually real root, but its amazing how annoyed some people get because I am "logged" in as root lol
[09:35] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Ta, couldn't remember if that was the case
[09:37] <MooDoo> christel: have a beer on me too!
[09:37] <christel> woop
[09:38] <popey> Linuxsapien: how is it not real root?
[09:38] <bigcalm_laptop> MooDoo: messy
[09:39] <Linuxsapien> popey try not to think about it too much lol
[09:39] <SuperMatt> is it just a user with the name root?
[09:40] <popey> Linuxsapien: just asking. no need to patronise me
[09:40] <Linuxsapien> obviously, i wouldnt be daft to really be root
[09:40] <Linuxsapien> as I said, it just gets people irritated or amused when they spot it
[09:40] <Linuxsapien> i aint patronising you popey
[09:41] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[09:42] <directhex> popey, it's just the ident sent by the irc client
[09:42] <popey> sure
[09:42] <directhex> which defaults to the local username, but doesn't need to be
[09:42] <iclebyte> is there some global DNS issue going on?
[09:42] <brobostigon> iclebyte: what are you experiencing?
[09:42] <directhex> some channels prevent anyone with an ident of root from speaking. i think #debian does that
[09:42] <popey> now getting pm from linuxsapien telling me to chill out
[09:43] <popey> hey ho
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> how do I remove a directory from "My Personal Folders" in Ubuntu One? The FAQ says set it to stop syncing on the web page which I have done.
[09:43] <SuperMatt> lol
[09:43] <directhex> popey, sounds like hye's very convinced by how smart he is
[09:43] <iclebyte> brobostigon, lots of the issues with customers not sending mail messagelabs initally, now we're getting more DNS related queries, but i'm doing the lookups on the domains from dnsstuff.com and many are failing
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> And 2ndly - why is U1 so slow compared to dropbox?
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: blame aquarius
[09:44] <iclebyte> seems to pertain to MX records
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - OK the directory has just disappeared from the U1 app on my desktop. (see I said it was slow).
[09:44] <brobostigon> iclebyte: interesting good question, i havent noticed anything here.
[09:45] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Perhaps thats secret, U1 is a virtual cloud storage, but all it does it backs up to dropbox via a U1 cloak :)
[09:45] <popey> s/dropbox/s3/
[09:46] <popey> mind you, so does dropbox iirc
[09:47] <DJones> I don't why, I've hardly ever used U1, possibly because I'd got in the habit of using dropbox on ubuntu & windows, I should really give it a go
[09:47] <directhex> i use u1ms. that's my only u1 usage
[09:47] <directhex> pain in the bum to load up rhythmbox just to buy music though
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've been trying it but it doesn't seem as seemless as dbox and certainly feels much less responsive...
[09:48] <popey> i use u1 instead of dropbox these days
[09:48]  * DJones downloads the windows client
[09:48] <directhex> skydrive!
[09:48] <popey> all my music and photos in it
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I asked it to add a new directory several minutes ago. It still isn't being listed anywhere.
[09:48] <popey> to the cloud!
[09:49] <directhex> i'd use skydrive for everything if it worked usefully in linux. i've got 25G free on there, which is lots
[09:51] <SuperMatt> I'm waiting on google drive
[09:52] <SuperMatt> cos I have 200gig worth of space with pacasa, and it can be used by drive too
[09:52] <ahayzen> U1 is AWSOME ... see wht i did there ;)
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't find something that takes more than 10 minutes to show me it is even thinking about adding a directory to my U1 should be called that. (and yes I do know why you said AWESOME)
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ AWS-ome
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - Am now officially bored of waiting for *anything* to happen.
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time for a #2 :-D
[09:58] <SuperMatt> LOVELY
[10:00] <AlanBell> there is a lack of a "what are you doing???" area in U1
[10:00] <AlanBell> I want to see it telling me what file it is syncing and how fast it is going etc
[10:00] <AlanBell> or to be able to find that if I want to care about it
[10:03] <AlanBell> in a prettier way than tail -f ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: watch -n1 u1sdtool --current-transfers
[10:04] <popey> there's a couple of ways to do that
[10:04] <popey> https://launchpad.net/indicator-ubuntuone
[10:04] <popey> !info magicicada
[10:07] <AlanBell> interesting
[10:08] <AlanBell> I still don't know what it is doing though
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> nothing in my case apparently.
[10:08] <AlanBell> magicicada shows me a big list of stuff in the folder I just added that it is supposed to upload
[10:08] <AlanBell> watch -n1 u1sdtool --current-transfers shows nothing uploading or downloading
[10:08] <AlanBell> tail of the log shows nothing much happening now
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and u1sdtool --waiting ?
[10:09] <popey> what do you think should be happening?
[10:09] <popey> open the u1 client, does it say its doing anything?
[10:09] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: shows 200 lines of stuff waiting
[10:10] <AlanBell> file sync in progress according to the U1 client
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> I (have twice) added a directory to "My Personal Folders" as I want to sync it. But it still doesn't show up anywhere in any U1 information
[10:11] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: how did you do that?
[10:11] <AlanBell> I just added a folder, in order to tell TheOpenSourcerer how wrong he is, and how wonderful U1 is, but it is not nice
[10:11] <AlanBell> I added the Documents folder using the U1 client
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> I clicked the bitton that says "Add a folder from this computer".
[10:11] <AlanBell> thats what I did too
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> twice in the last 1/2 hr or so...
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> nothing. nilch, nadda
[10:12] <AlanBell> mine contains 944M of assorted stuff
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mine has much less than that
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> ~100Mb
[10:12] <popey> what if you stop/start transferrs?
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> tried that
[10:12] <popey> and what does magicicada say?
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> closed the U1 client
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I haven't installed that. hang on.
[10:13] <popey> closing the client wont stop the connection
[10:13] <popey> there's a button in the top right
[10:13] <popey> "disconnect"
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes.
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have tried that too.
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> u1sdtool -d
[10:13] <popey> so hit that, wait a few seconds, hit connect
[10:13] <AlanBell> looking at the web client mine did upload a bunch of stuff 12 minutes ago, but now I am not sure if it is doing one big file, or has given up
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> or -q for quit
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> then restart with u1sdtool -s
[10:14] <popey> why would you assume its given up?
[10:14] <popey> indeed why do you even care? just leave it running and the stuff will upload ☺
[10:14] <directhex> maybe. ish
[10:14] <directhex> (note: often doesn't)
[10:14] <DJones> I've just added a folder using the the windows client and thats syncing away very quickly I can see the files via the web interface with no problem
[10:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> magiciada also doesn't show me the directory I tried to add
[10:15] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: do you see the folder in the web UI?
[10:15] <popey> one.ubuntu.com/files
[10:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> no
[10:15] <AlanBell> well it would be nice if there was a "200 files left to sync, now processing foo.tar.gz" or something in the client
[10:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am havign a go with the magiciada thing
[10:16] <popey> AlanBell: why?
[10:16] <AlanBell> rather than the uninformative "file sync in progress"
[10:16] <popey> why do you care?
[10:16] <popey> fact is it's doing stuff, when it's finished, it will be finished ☺
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> if it worked popey I probably wouldn't/
[10:17] <popey> i have yet to hear evidence that it's not working
[10:17] <popey> just lots of woe is me and wailing
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - I tried to add the dir I wanted to. Now the Folders dialogue box in magiciada is greyed out and not showing me the new dir.
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am not seeing any files from my folder being added to U1. Isn't that *not* working popey?
[10:18] <popey> are you seeing them in one.ubuntu.com/files ?
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> for the 2nd time. no
[10:19] <SuperMatt> I must confess that I've had issues with ubuntu one where I've tried to sync too much in one go
[10:20] <popey> maybe have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs#Files_not_syncing
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> alord@lobsang:~/Development/Workspaces$ du -sh talend-5.1/
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> 145M	talend-5.1/
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not very bnig really.
[10:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> *big
[10:22] <popey> just checked my machine at home
[10:22] <AlanBell> mine seems to have stalled when the sync got to a folder with spaces in the folder name
[10:22] <AlanBell> dunno if that is significant
[10:22] <popey> its currently not transferring but has some waiting
[10:23] <popey> so maybe there's a system wide issue?
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> where are the syncdaemon logs?
[10:23] <popey> ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[10:24] <AlanBell> ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[10:24] <daubers> Wonder if I should raise a bug about that. Should really be in /var/log
[10:24] <AlanBell> no, they shouldn't
[10:24] <popey> nope
[10:24] <popey> its user specific
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh: 2012-05-17 11:16:23,515 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.VM - WARNING - Duplicated create_udf request for path (ingoring it!): '/home/alord/Development/Workspaces/talend-5.1'
[10:25] <popey> heh
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> so it new I tried to sync it twice.
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> knew
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> last entry:
[10:25] <AlanBell> daubers: you wouldn't want all your filenames in /var/log
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2012-05-17 11:23:45,566 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'QUEUE_MANAGER'  (queues WORKING  connection 'With User With Network')>; queue: 201; offloaded: 31002; hash: 0) ----
[10:25] <popey> I would recommend joining #ubuntuone
[10:25] <popey> rye is there and ready to help
[10:27] <s-fox> o/
[10:28] <popey> moo
[10:28] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2 appears to want to have a staring contest. That or he's lost in my beauty
[10:28]  * davmor2 thumps bigcalm_laptop repeatedly
[10:28] <iclebyte> it was an issue with MessageLabs Amsterdam cluster if anyone else is seeing problems.
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod fix ldtp so it works for me will you please
[10:32] <czajkowski> there is stuff hapenign should be ok in half hr
[10:32] <czajkowski> ish
[10:48] <DJones> I must try & get U1 set up on a server
[10:55] <SuperMatt> DJones: I don't believe that u1 works in command line, so it might not be worth it
[10:58] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Headless
[10:58] <popey> it does SuperMatt / DJones
[11:00] <DJones> popey: Thanks for the link
[11:00] <SuperMatt> oh, I didn't know that
[11:01] <SuperMatt> not quite so easy though ;)
[11:14] <bigcalm_laptop> Good soup here
[11:14] <DJones> I'll have to have a look at that later, give me an error trying to start it
[11:15] <DJones> http://pastebin.com/rXawzU1a
[11:16] <daubers> popey / AlanBell : Ah, I take your point on log file locations
[11:20] <daubers> Wonder if I can get my house renumbered to ::1
[11:20] <popey> thats an error wanting x
[11:22] <gord> wonder if i can get my house renamed to "'); DROP TABLE SpamTargets;"
[11:22] <DJones> Yes, but its on a server install
[11:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer (after patching his ubuntuone client) recalls popey's comment from earlier...
[11:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: i have yet to hear evidence that it's not working
[11:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: just lots of woe is me and wailing
[11:23] <daubers> gord: That's a better idea!
[11:26] <popey> haha
[11:26] <popey> pfffft, its working now isnt it? ☺
[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> it is - thanks for introducing rye.
[11:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> the patch is amazing... + "="
[11:29] <popey> heh
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> right then what's for lunch?
[11:32]  * TheOpenSourcerer is looking forward to this evening. Beer and and all-u-can-eat Chinese with colleagues.
[11:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better not have too big a lunch then.
[11:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> oxtail soup?
[11:54] <czajkowski> First LOPUG Meetup on Thursday 17th May, 6:45 onwards http://www.meetup.com/London-PaaS-User-Group-LOPUG/events/62834262/
[12:15] <AlanBell> what are we calling PaaS this week?
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> Ponies!
[12:16] <popey> Ponies As A Service
[12:17] <directhex> pandas > ponies
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> pangolins?
[12:20] <directhex> also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_QPz0ZX1Y0
[12:20] <AlanBell> well it appears to be platform as a service, which is totally different to software as a service or infrastructure as a service, and anyone confusing them is just exposing their lack of hipness
[12:23] <AlanBell> oh my percentage of U1 storage used has gone up, it must be doing something now :)
[12:23] <popey> Popeys As A Service, it scales up well, but not down.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: "*sigh* You need _another_ member of my family?"
[12:24] <popey> NEED MOAR POPEY
[12:26] <directhex> i wonder if minecraft multiplayer works now i have 75mbit dsl
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> unlikely
[12:27] <AlanBell> juju add-unit popey
[12:27] <popey> hah
[12:27] <popey> juju expose popey
[12:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Eww
[12:27] <popey> avert your gaze!
[12:27] <AlanBell> eww
[12:28] <davmor2> EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!
[12:28]  * MartijnVdS puts the videos on youtube
[12:28]  * DJones issues a takedown notice on youtube for inappropriate classification as a "U" and not "R" rated
[12:29]  * drussell also ensures that the soundtrack "the full monty" is muted on the video track
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: I uploaded these earlier (no popey though, he was on the other side of the planet when this was recorded ;)
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCtBsx5qO0&list=PL65507731C2EBA66A&feature=plpp_play_all
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> The one week everyone was out of town for a UDS, I came to London 8-)
[12:32] <popey> safe
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: safe?
[12:33] <DJones> Arghhhhh... Will somebody give the greeks €xB so that the exchange markets will get some confidence back & the rates will stop going up & down like a rollercoaster
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Only if they start paying their taxes now
[12:34] <DJones> The Greeks always pay for their taxi's, teh driver doesn't let them out otherwise
[12:34] <DJones> :)
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ DJones
[13:01] <gfdd> hello world
[13:03] <MooDoo> hello
[13:03] <s-fox> hello MooDoo
[13:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Hello Moto
[13:09] <MooDoo> s-fox: hello :D
[13:10] <s-fox> how are you doing MooDoo  ?
[13:11] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm doing ok thanks :D
[13:11] <s-fox> good
[13:11] <MooDoo> s-fox: you?
[13:11] <s-fox> MooDoo,  so so, managed to fix my blog
[13:12] <MooDoo> s-fox: yes i saw your tweet
[13:15] <bigcalm_laptop> Anybody here done any work with ISO 8583 type messages?
[13:23] <daubers> Woot! Raspberry pi now ordered :D Should be here in 3 weeks
[13:35] <DJones> Quote of the day "Mr Cowdrey added that even rabbit food was VAT exempt "as they are classed as a food source, even though most rabbits are kept as pets"." Who keeps rabbits to provide food for their family?
[13:35] <AlanBell> they are allowed on allotments for that purpose
[13:36] <AlanBell> depending on local rules
[13:37] <DJones> Its not something I've ever seen, was just reading about dog food for working dogs being at a low vat rate, while normal food used by guide dogs was at full rate, guide dogs for the blind were asking why they were penalised and that quote about rabbits was at the end
[13:39]  * AlanBell wonders what VAT rate chicken feed is at. I will check the receipt next time I get some.
[13:41] <DJones> should be 0 rated
[13:41] <DJones> All food for poultry and game birds is zero-rated.
[13:42] <AlanBell> I might have to go home via pets at home to find out
[13:42]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just wandered upstairs to say hi to our Accountants.
[13:42] <DJones> http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000124&propertyType=document#P208_11044 Section 8.3
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the Accountants wandered downstairs to see where we are ;-)
[13:43] <DJones> That'll only be so they know where to send the bill for your visit to them
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> they knew that anyway :-)
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have both recently moved offices - into the same building.
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> They have rather more Sq feet than we do...
[13:45] <DJones> Yes, but you went to visit them, so they'll have to raise a bill now, no doubt round it up the nearest full day, so a 10 minute visit will cost you a days time for them
[13:45] <DJones> Thats why they can afford more Sq feet then you
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Actually, and amazingly, they aren't that bad.
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> But your point is noted
[13:46]  * TheOpenSourcerer sends a wol packet to his desktop in the "other" office
[13:47] <DJones> Where I used to work, if you looked at anything for a client, you had to charge a minimum of 15 minutes to the client, even if it only took a minute, some staff could charge an 8 hour day by the late morning tea break
[13:59] <Myrtti> ah yes, remember the background image I did some time ago, the one I wondered about the 0 or O as round as possible?
[14:01] <Myrtti> if anyone is interested what was the actual inspiration for that, then https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/Ta5ttm27oqd - finally done and in my finger
[14:03] <Myrtti> if animated gifs aren't your thing, I'm sorry
[14:20] <SuperMatt> pretty damn sweet!
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Arghhhhhhh! The VPN connection dialogue has now disappeared from the network indicator menu jobby wotsit.
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it has?
[15:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - my defined connection setting are still there when you go into "Edit Connections..." But there is Connect to VPN item.
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> This bloody upgrade is the worst EVAH.
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> Anything in the log (/var/log/syslog)?
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> It's still there for me...
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> maybe you don't have the relevant network-manager plugin installed (anymore)?
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> it was there yesterday evening.
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd start with checking syslog
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> what for?
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> for something concerning VPNs
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> (3G sometimes drops from my menu as well)
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> The menu item when you click on the network indicator is missing.
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not that the VPN doesn't work. I can't start it.
[15:57] <popey> the packages are still installed?
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Yeah that happens for my 3G modem as well sometimes
[15:57] <popey> network-manager-openvpn etc?
[15:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> I didn't uninstall them
[15:57] <popey> i didnt ask that ☺
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it just disappears from the menu for a few minutes sometimes, and then the log is being spammed
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: killing/restarting nm-applet might help too
[15:57] <mattt> TheOpenSourcerer: time to switch to mac os x
[15:58] <bigcalm_laptop> Is it home time?
[15:58]  * mattt jokes
[15:58] <mattt> bigcalm_laptop: yea, packing up now
[15:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: They are still installed according to apt.
[15:58] <popey> is there a network manager log?
[15:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> how do I kill restart the indicator?
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: yes, in /var/log
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> it uses syslog
[15:59] <popey> ah
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: kill "nm-applet"
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it might auto-restart, if it doesn't just restart manually
[15:59]  * bigcalm_laptop slithers away homewards
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Restarting the applet has returned my missing menu items - thank you.
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> now. What was I about to do before I was hindered by incredibly buggy software.
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: filing bugs? :P
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh no that was it. Connecting to a customer's VPN.
[16:02] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: did you by any chance change your network config?
[16:02] <popey> set a static ip for example?
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> nope.
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> I turn my PC off at night.
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> That is all.
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> It gets woken up by WOL for backups and then shutdown again during the night.
[16:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> I haven't reconfigured networking on this machine at all. It's just plain old dhcp over eth0
[16:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Now I am going to turn it off again and go and drink lots of beer. :-)
[16:11] <mattt> someone say beer?
[16:11] <mattt> and on that note, heading home
[16:11]  * mattt is afk
[16:27] <Darael> Got an interesting problem here - not Ubuntu-specific, but maybe someone can point me at a better channel to ask in?  The network connection I'm on is reasonably fast - for the first couple of seconds of any connection, after which it drops to about 2kbps.  Cancelling downloads and resuming gets another chunk at high speed, but it's a right pain for dist-upgrades.
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> Darael: http://www.bufferbloat.net/ ?
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Darael: Or maybe the PC and switch/router disagree on duplex mode
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Darael: (full/half duplex)
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> maybe path mtu discovery doesn't work because of blocked ICMP?
[16:30] <Darael> It's not a duplex-mode disagreement, I'm sure of that.  Buffer bloat sounds plausible.  How might I test for blocked ICMP?
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> Darael: did you set a local firewall?
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> (iptables)
[16:32] <Darael> I haven't, as I recall, but it's been eight months or so since I've seen this network.
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Darael: setting local mtu lower would probably work
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Darael: ip link set eth0 mtu 1000
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Darael: iptables-save shows all current iptables rules
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> Darael: (default mtu for ethernet is 1500)
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> (in case you want to reset it :))
[16:46] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Sorry about that; I'm flip-flopping between a 3G dongle and the wired connection in order to have a functioning connection when not testing something, and it plays merry hell with my SSH session (running irssi in screen elsewhere) even though I don't disconnect the dongle.  Sodding network-manager.
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> Darael: ip route -- switching the default route should be enough :)
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> Darael: did you get my list of commands to try?
[16:48] <Darael> When I reconnected my screen session, yes.  Thanks.
[16:52] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts
[16:52]  * popey chuckles at Ctrl + Alt + Delete
[16:52] <popey> "Restart the computer immediately, without saving open files "
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> it saves open files otherwise/
[16:56] <Darael> Well, it gives programs a chance to block the restart and ask you to save files, IIRC.
[16:57] <popey> (It doesn't actually work thankfully)
[16:57] <Darael> Not if you do it from the command-line, naturally, but if you use the "shutdown" menu item, as most users will.
[16:58] <Darael> /Actually/ restating without saving is just a sudo shutdown -r now away.  Or a sudo reboot.  Or, in emergencies, REISUB.
[17:00] <Darael> Although I have had lockups that didn't respond to 'magic sysrq keys' before.  Generally graphics-related.
[17:07] <Darael> MartijnVdS: After mucking with my routing table a bit to ensure this link stays up when I set the default to the ethernet... that certainly seems to have made a difference.  Thanks.
[17:08] <Darael> Hmm, or not.
[17:08] <Darael> This is very odd.  Maybe it's just HTTP connections, which, considering I know there's no proxies involved, is very odd.
[17:59] <zleap> where does ubuntu cache .deb files ?
[18:01] <directhex> /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:01] <zleap> thabks
[18:01] <zleap> do i use that for things like aptoncd
[18:02] <zleap> I want to create a custom install cd
[18:03] <zleap> ok aptoncd seems to list what is in there anyway
[18:19] <AlanBell> wow, just logged on to a new server and run top, pressed 1 to get per-core breakdown of activity and got the message that the terminal wasn't big enough to display it :)
[18:19] <AlanBell> 24 cores
[18:19] <AlanBell> or 12 hyperthreaded
[18:41] <zleap> nice,
[18:41] <majster-pl> Hello! Any one tried to get free stickers from System76 through Ubuntu UK Team ??
[18:42] <zleap> no sorry
[18:42]  * zleap is making a custom cd
[18:45] <majster-pl> I send it few days ago and yesterday I get my envelop back from Royal Mail saying the addressee unknown... ?
[18:45] <zleap> hmm
[18:46] <zleap> are these raspberry pI stickers
[18:46] <DJones> majster-pl: Which address did you send the request to
[18:47] <majster-pl> DJones, The Linux Emporium, Bridge House, 17a Maybrook Road, Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham, B76 1AL UK
[18:48] <DJones> Try this address http://shop.linuxemporium.co.uk/merchandise/ubuntu.html?SID=b29cafeaefb9bc1d1e61c27cc091f6fc
[18:48] <DJones> They may have moved premises, that link has got an address direct from the linux emporium's own website
[18:50] <majster-pl> DJones, thanks, I will try this address then...
[18:50] <DJones> good luck
[18:50] <majster-pl> :D
[18:52] <zleap> is the idea behind aptoncd thast I point a package installer at the cd iso or cdrom with the contents on so it installs from cd
[19:50] <jacobw> chow
[19:57] <ali1234> 18 months and unity still can't keep track of which display a window is on
[21:00] <AlanBell> wayland will fix it
[21:19] <ali1234> does wayland even have a window manager yet??
[21:19] <ali1234> i saw that wayland on raspi demo the other day. no window manager yet
[21:20] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItv4HX5r3k
[21:20] <ali1234> that's state of the art for wayland apparently
[21:23] <directhex> from the FAQ:
[21:24] <directhex> How can I replace Wayland's Window Manager?
[21:24] <directhex> The Wayland architecture integrates the display server, window manager and compositor into one process. You can think of Wayland as a toolkit for creating clients and compositors. It is not a specific single compositor or window manager. If you want a different window manager, you can write a new one.
[21:24] <ali1234> exactly
[21:24] <ali1234> "you can write a new one"
[21:24] <ali1234> and nobody has even written an old one yet
[21:25] <directhex> the video you posted isn't the state of the art for wayland, it's current progress on porting wayland to the rpi's broadcom graphics chip
[21:26] <ali1234> what is state of the art then?
[21:27] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdKwSrwxIYA
[21:27] <ali1234> that appears to have some rudimentary window management
[21:28] <ali1234> though for some reason every window looks different and some have no decoration at all
[21:31] <directhex> the state of the art is running a port of xeyes! http://willthompson.co.uk/misc/wayland-eyes/weston-eyes.webm
[21:33] <ali1234> also i love the next paragraph of the FAQ
[21:33] <directhex> very short version: window decoration on x is handled by the window manager; on wayland it's provided by the app itself. every window looks different to test different ways of doing things with different toolkits. it's all semi-proof-of-concept right now.
[21:34] <ali1234> great, so i have to look forward to the bad old days of X11 where every app looks completely different?
[21:34] <directhex> sure, if you assume what you see now has any bearing on the end result
[21:35] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install weston
[21:35] <ali1234> how long before it actually graduates beyond proof of concept?
[21:35] <AlanBell> and you can run some rather poor terminals in a window
[21:35] <AlanBell> ali1234: 12.10 funnily enough in a strange way
[21:35] <ali1234> oh?
[21:36] <AlanBell> there will probably be a system compositor, so wayland from start to finish
[21:36] <AlanBell> very very cut down wayland/weston
[21:36] <AlanBell> running full screen X
[21:36] <ali1234> and how long before it can completely replace X11?
[21:36] <AlanBell> bit longer
[21:37] <ali1234> just for local usage i mean
[21:37] <AlanBell> but it does run now, in a window or from a terminal it runs as a full thingie
[21:37] <ali1234> i gather X11 wil always be required as a network protol at least
[21:37] <AlanBell> not neccessarily
[21:37] <AlanBell> gtk applications run in weston already if you turn off the canonical kookieness
[21:38] <ali1234> not over the network
[21:38] <AlanBell> liboverlayscrollbar and global menus
[21:38] <AlanBell> X11 might not be the best over the network protocol in the world evar
[21:38] <ali1234> it probably is though
[21:38] <ali1234> i don't know any other one that works with *everything*
[21:38] <AlanBell> it isn't going away soon
[21:39] <ali1234> vnc certainly isn't an adequate replacement
[21:39] <AlanBell> no, it isn't
[21:39] <AlanBell> but something gtk level might be
[21:40] <AlanBell> something that would allow you to move a running application from one place to another
[21:40] <AlanBell> like screen for GUI applications (yes, I know of the things that kinda do that)
[21:41] <ali1234> yeah, but what about Qt?
[21:41] <ali1234> what about things that don't use either?
[21:44] <AlanBell> no idea
[21:45] <directhex> eventually? i anticipate X compatibility layer foo
[21:45] <ali1234> yes, me too
[21:45] <ali1234> ie just the protocol
[21:46] <AlanBell> I expect things to use toolkits that support it
[21:46] <AlanBell> and I expect the X compatibility stuff will exist
[21:47] <AlanBell> but right now I can't have an application running on a server but presenting on my laptop disconnect itself and turn up on my phone without stopping
[21:47] <ali1234> so you basically expect everyone to rewrite all legacy software using a modern toolkit?
[21:47] <AlanBell> eventually, yes
[21:48] <AlanBell> but that might be a 20 year timeframe
[21:48] <AlanBell> I will have my flying car by then
[21:48] <christel> !
[21:48] <ali1234> in 20 years wayland will be deprecated in favour of something else
[21:49] <ali1234> if people were prepared to learn how to use well-engineered software properly wayland wouldn't even be necessary
[21:49] <bigcalm> Will you care in 20 years? ;)
[21:49] <ali1234> probably, i know i sound like a grumpy old man but i'm only 31
[21:52] <ali1234> tbh i'll still probably be using X11 in 20 years
[21:53] <directhex> the core X engineers i know think wayland is the future and X is a pile of poopy. i have reason to trust their opinion
[21:54] <ali1234> i don't disagree
[21:54] <ali1234> i just don't have any confidence in wayland actually delivering something usable before i die
[21:59]  * AlanBell readys the cryochamber for ali1234
[22:00] <ali1234> on a completely different subject, when mdtool says "Build complete -- 1 error, 0 warnings" how do i find out what the error was?


[00:00] <samuel_> oi
[00:00] <samuel_> e ai
[00:00] <samuel_> galera do ubuntu
[00:00] <samuel_> tem uma sala de conversa aqui
[00:01] <samuel_> e a lib papis seus lixo to sendo perseguido opr isso
[00:01] <ravage> !pt | samuel_
[00:03] <samuel_> ok sorry
[01:13] <webchat27> Hello, I saw that Ubuntu 23.10 has been released, yet none of the download links work (tried both torrent and local mirror)
[01:13] <oerheks> webchat27, known issue; iso's are regenerated;
[01:14] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/announcement-ubuntu-desktop-23-10-release-image-is-being-updated-to-resolve-a-malicious-translation-incident/39365
[01:14] <webchat27> Thanks, bummer
[01:15] <oerheks> just one language, stay tuned
[02:25] <rabbitnightmare> hey the download links are broken
[02:26] <oerheks>  known issue; iso's are regenerated;
[02:26] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/announcement-ubuntu-desktop-23-10-release-image-is-being-updated-to-resolve-a-malicious-translation-incident/39365
[02:26] <oerheks> just one language, stay tuned
[02:26] <rabbitnightmare> all good it happens
[02:27] <rabbitnightmare> grabbing kubuntu for now, gunna make youtube videos singing its praises
[02:28] <oerheks> do it!
[02:28] <rabbitnightmare> oh dude hate speech? wow how sad
[02:28] <rabbitnightmare> good looking out
[02:34] <akik> wow "hate speech from a malicious contributor"
[02:34] <akik> but then it says they used some translation tool
[02:34] <oerheks>  "Weblate is libre software web-based continuous localization system, used by over 2500 libre projects and companies in more than 165 countries."
[02:34] <oerheks> so maybe more projects are affected.
[02:43] <webchat27> rabbitnightmare does kubuntu have 23.10 already? can't see it on their site
[02:44] <rabbitnightmare> the iso is finished but not posted to the main site
[02:44] <guiverc> webchat27, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/23.10/release/ (ISOs using ubuntu-desktop-installer for 23.10 are not available only)
[02:44] <guiverc> kubuntu uses ubiquity at 23.10 thus available
[02:44] <rabbitnightmare> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:46] <webchat27> thanks
[02:48] <webchat27> is "ubuntu-desktop-installer" some new installer that is used for ubuntu 23.10?
[02:49] <rabbitnightmare> yes
[02:53] <guiverc> ubuntu-desktop-installer was used for Ubuntu 23.04 Desktop too (ubiquity was the legacy ISO installer)...   it was available as the canary installer before then but wasn't on a download button so few saw it
[02:53] <guiverc> webchat27, ^
[02:54] <webchat27> gotcha
[07:25] <n00b_> exit
[07:25] <n00b_> oops whats up guys
[07:25] <n00b_> clearr
[07:25] <n00b_> grrr...
[07:26] <LuckyMan> Yay 23.10 rules!
[07:27] <respawn> yeah for 9 months
[07:28] <LuckyMan> respawn, yeah but in 6 we upgrade to 24.04
[07:30] <n00b_> do many people use irc anymore ?
[07:31] <SwedeMike> n00b_: hundreds of thousands at least. 35k on this IRC network
[08:49] <jailbreak> Hello! Getting a really weird bug. Some apps (one's I know about so far) are taking multiple seconds to open. Where as other apps open instantly. Thunar, Lutris, Firefox are the one's I know about. I try and open them and they take so long to start. Ubuntu server 22.04.3...
[08:49] <jailbreak> How can I debug this?
[08:52] <yossarianuk> i - the zoom client deb package is not able to be installed on 23.10
[08:53] <yossarianuk> the following packages have unmet dependencies. - zoom : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not installable  -  Depends: libegl1-mesa but it is not installable
[08:53] <yossarianuk> which i imagine will break zoom client for anyone upgrading
[09:02] <JanC> yossarianuk: sounds like zoom have to update their package then; assuming they support non-LTS versions?
[09:05] <yossarianuk> they usually do (they say its for 16.04 + i think)
[09:05] <yossarianuk> the snap works in the meantime ..
[09:06] <JanC> maybe they don't test on pre-release versions of Ubuntu...
[09:16] <JanC> yossarianuk: seems like those packages were transitional dummy packages used for upgrading between Ubuntu releases; anything new should no longer depend on them
[09:17] <JanC> probably because the deb was made for 16.04 and never updated...
[09:20] <yossarianuk> JanC: it has been updated, had a similar issue when 22.10 came out - i imagine they will update package at somepoint
[10:09] <jailbreak> Hmm happening on a fresh install of Ubuntu Server 22.04.3...
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: are you using GUI on a server?
[10:15] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: yes.
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: can you please mention what you installed exactly, and what your purpose is, so the volunteers can advice you best?
[10:18] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: I already said what the problem is. What I installed is here: https://paste.debian.net/1294915/
[10:18] <jailbreak> Multiple apps are taking too long to open. They take multiple seconds whereas other apps are instant.
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: no what i mean is, the GUI part of using ontop ubuntu server
[10:19] <jailbreak> What?
[10:22] <jailbreak> I'm using the latest MESA drivers and i3-wm lotuspsychje...
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what i wanted to know
[10:23] <jailbreak> Still don't know what's causing it. So far I know about; pavucontrol, network manager, firefox and lutris. They *all* take multiple seconds to open.
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you know what could cause lags on i3^
[10:24] <jailbreak> It's not lag on i3. It's the apps.
[10:24] <jailbreak> Everything else is working fine.
[10:25] <djustice> htop and strace it.
[10:26] <jailbreak> And what it?
[10:27] <webchat63> Hello
[10:28] <webchat63> Is there any functional difference in using the "Download 23.10 (Legacy Desktop Installer)" option as the other one isn't available yet?
[10:30] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: same thing happes with XFCE4 too. *not* just i3...
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: can you dpaste your dmesg plz
[10:32] <jailbreak> djustice: opening htop then opening the apps, htop see's it instantly, it closes (can't see it) then multiple seconds later it opens.
[10:32] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: how? it's a very long file.
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[10:32] <jailbreak> Please don't.
[10:33] <jailbreak> How can I dmesg into a txt file?
[10:33] <Umeaboy> Hi! Who does one contact at the english speaking part of Ubuntu to start a open source convention in the north of Sweden?
[10:34] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: there's no dmesg. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/261503/how-to-dump-the-dmesg-aka-kernel-logs-to-a-single-txt-file-from-the-kernel-boot
[10:34] <jeremy31> jailbreak: use sudo on dmesg
[10:35] <jeremy31> sudo dmesg|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:35] <jailbreak> jeremy31: https://paste.debian.net/1294917/
[10:36] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: you too^
[10:42] <ice9> I set specific DNS servers in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf but it's not effective when checking in https://dnsleaktest.com
[10:45] <jailbreak> I don't even know *how* to Google this issue... :-D
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: i see a few amdgpu lines in your dmesg, i wonder if thats the culprit
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: just curious, what gives sudo lshw -C video, in a paste plz?
[10:49] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: https://paste.debian.net/1294919/
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> looks like recognized driver there jailbreak
[10:50] <jailbreak> Yes...
[10:51] <ice9> skype auto start up on system boot however it's no in Tweaks startup apps, any idea?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> ice9: try this; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShowHiddenStartupApplications
[10:53] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: so what should I do... :-)
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: not sure, maybe other volunteers have ideas for you
[10:55] <ice9> lotuspsychje, skype has no entry in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[10:57] <ice9> it's install via snap btw if that makes difference
[10:57] <Guest15> Hello, we are having problem with ubuntu 20.04 server displaying Chinese characters as "#" with 3-4 digits. The characters are visible in some client apps, but not on the server itself
[10:58] <Guest15> the locale was set to zh.UTF-8 and we changed it en.UTF-8, but the issue seems to be unrelated
[10:59] <Guest15> Could anyone give any hints?
[11:08] <ice9> where the ntp servers domains are stored for systemd-timesyncd ?
[11:08] <rabbitnightmare> god how long does it take to change some text and reupload a new iso
[11:08] <rabbitnightmare> jesus christ
[11:09] <rabbitnightmare> it definitely shouldnt take 24 fucking hours
[11:09] <rabbitnightmare> fucks sake people exist on schedules
[11:10] <ComputerTech> someone's in a hurry :D
[11:17] <ravage> also the legacy iso works just fine :)
[11:21] <webchat63> i asked above, but no one seemed to notice
[11:21] <webchat63> "Is there any functional difference in using the "Download 23.10 (Legacy Desktop Installer)" option as the other one isn't available yet?"
[11:22] <guiverc> webchat63, when the installer is running; yes there is.. if you use the same options for both; the end result (an installed system) will be identical though.
[11:22] <ravage> you end up with Ubuntu 23.10
[11:23] <webchat63> I mean, is there some feature in the other installer that isn't present in the legacy one?
[11:23] <webchat63> Or is it just a different UI to it, basically
[11:23] <ravage> it may have less features even :) but it looks pretty
[11:24] <ravage> i would stay it is totally safe to use the legacy iso. you wont miss anything but some shiny UI elements
[11:24] <guiverc> yes; the ubuntu-desktop-installer can be updated prior to install, is built on different toolkit/libraries & caters with some hardware a little better, most of its capabilities are not used yet though.
[11:24] <ravage> i may not be the refefrence here. i still want my debian text installer back :D
[11:24] <guiverc> I agree with ravage though webchat63;  currently I'm more comfortable with ubiquity as I know its quirks... but that will change I bet.
[11:25] <webchat63> ok then, i wasn't sure what the actual difference is
[11:25] <guiverc> the installer is actually rather different; the end install however is not being key.
[11:25] <webchat63> i need 23.10 to test an app
[11:26] <ravage> go with legacy then
[11:26] <parlos> Good Day! anyway to 'dump' the current storage config, into something that can be used directly in the 'user-data' for doing automatic installs?
[11:26] <webchat63> this translation snafu had me explain on a daily meeting what actually happened
[11:27] <parlos> I've done the install, I have the 'default' storage config, but after that, changes have been made, that I'd like to have replicated if I have to do a reinstall.
[11:28] <guiverc> fyi webchat63, my current install (mantic) was installed with ubiquity... I trust it & thus used it.
[11:31] <webchat63> ok then, i guess i won't get to see the shiny new installer
[11:31] <webchat63> god damn that initial sound scared me
[11:31] <Guest15> does anyone know if our issue with filenames can be remedied in any wy?
[11:31] <ravage> you see it in 23.04 :)
[11:31] <Guest15> way*
[11:31] <webchat63> had the monitors on full
[11:32] <webchat63> i didn't get to install 23.04, ravage
[11:38] <webchat63> https://i.imgur.com/KcsTI0R.png
[11:39] <webchat63> is this how it should be or is something wrong on my end?
[11:40] <ravage> this is how the designer envisioned it
[11:40] <ravage> its not my favorite choice too
[11:41] <webchat63> those designer types
[11:49] <ice9> apparmor is preventing Polari from resolving DNS:
[11:49] <ice9> apparmor is preventing Polari from resolving DNS:
[11:49] <ice9> apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" class="file" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-*" name="run/systemd/resolve/io.systemd.Resolve" pid=18929 comm="pool-telepathy-" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=1000 ouid=996
[12:08] <stenno> good day, regarding the https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-4911 . I am not really sure how to read this table. Does that mean the vuln is _fixed_ for libc6 2.35.0ubuntu3.4 for jammy ?
[12:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu- A buffer overflow was discovered in the GNU C Library's dynamic loader ld.so while processing the GLIBC_TUNABLES environment variable. This issue could allow a local attacker to use maliciously crafted GLIBC_TUNABLES environment variables when launching binaries with SUID permission to execute code with elevated privileges. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-4911>
[12:09] <stenno> a german IT site linked to this page with the claim that 'a patch has been released'
[12:10] <stenno> i assume the 'Released' actually means 'this version is now _secure_'
[12:12] <stenno> So if my installed version is 2.35.0ubuntu3.4 , i am _save_ from the exploit as there is also no link provided to any patch? please confirm
[12:12] <stenno> safe*
[12:17] <Habbie> yes, the version behind Released is the fixed one
[12:20] <stenno> thanks!
[12:34] <realivanjx> anyone else thats using gsconnect on 23.10? i cant get it working from the nightly build and it says "waiting for service"
[12:41] <jailbreak> I gave up. Problem was doing my head in. Thanks anyway lotuspsychje.
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:22] <ComputerTech> Is it possible to set a specific app's scaling without changing the entire scaling of the OS? like maybe just make google chrome's scaling 125% but leave the rest at 100%?
[13:31] <ravage> No
[13:32] <JanC> I suppose in theory it's possible, but I don't think any DE implement that
[13:32] <ComputerTech> mmm ok
[13:33] <leftyfb> ComputerTech: in google chrome, type: CTRL +
[13:34] <ComputerTech> that just increases the page's zoom though, not the entire UI of the Browser :/
[13:34] <leftyfb> correct
[13:34] <leftyfb> that's about as close as you're going to get
[13:34] <ComputerTech> alright, worth a shot :)
[13:34] <JanC> Firefox has at least 2 sizes of icons you can choose, maybe Chrome has too?
[13:35] <ComputerTech> guess I'll need to get used to the 100% scaling instead of the 125% :P
[13:38] <JanC> also, you can change the UI font size, etc. with the Tweaks (gnome-tweaks) application
[13:38] <JanC> maybe that can help a bit too
[13:39] <ComputerTech> oh hm
[13:39] <ComputerTech> yeah, does that work with GTK apps too?
[13:39]  * ComputerTech tried
[13:39] <ComputerTech> tries*
[13:39] <JanC> it would work especially for anything Gtk I presume
[13:40] <JanC> it might or might not work for Qt or other toolkits...
[13:51] <JanC> ComputerTech: did it work for Chrome?
[13:59] <ice9> where the ntp servers domains are stored for systemd-timesyncd ?
[14:07] <leftyfb> ice9: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/use-timedatectl-and-timesyncd
[14:08] <ice9> leftyfb, NTP= in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf is empty
[14:08] <leftyfb> ice9: ok, so configure it to your liking
[14:09] <leftyfb> as for where it gets ntp.ubuntu.com, my guess is it's hardcoded in the package and can be overridden by configuring it as noted
[14:15] <ice9> I have netfilter-persistent but there is no /etc/iptables/rules.v4, where it should store the rules then?
[14:24] <gerard72>  5.4.0-42-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 10 00:24:02 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux, DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[14:24] <gerard72> DISTRIB_RELEASE=20.04
[14:24] <gerard72> DISTRIB_CODENAME=focal
[14:24] <gerard72> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu-Server 20.04.3 LTS amd64
[14:24] <gerard72> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rock-core/qt4
[14:24] <gerard72> used to work until this week
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> !paste | gerard72
[14:26] <gerard72> dpaste.com/ACVEHSXPN
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> gerard72: https://launchpad.net/~rock-core/+archive/ubuntu/qt4 looks like still active
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> gerard72: there was a launchpad down on 11 oct according to https://status.canonical.com/ but should be resolved now
[14:52] <Guest17> hi
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest17
[14:54] <Guest17> I think I will not be very welcomed when I am going to ask a thing
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> if its about ubuntu you can proceed Guest17
[14:58] <Guest17> do you have ubuntu for ppc64?
[15:02] <coconut> !ppc | Guest17
[15:02] <ravage> Guest17: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/jammy/release/
[15:02] <ravage> ppc64el is supported
[15:02] <coconut> oh
[15:03] <Guest17> well, I need ppc64 for an "OPAL" (POWER8) system
[15:03] <ravage> there is only a server image but i guess you could install desktop packages from there
[15:04] <ravage> it says power9 and power10
[15:04] <ravage> so i dont think there is an image for you
[15:04] <Guest17> unfortunately I need 64
[15:05] <Guest17> not el/le thing
[15:06] <gerard72> lotuspsychje still happening as of today. I can probably work around it by updating /etc/apt/sources.list.d manually and adding the key
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> gerard72: weird, maybe talk to the maintainer from the LP project?
[15:09] <gerard72> lotuspsychje thanks
[15:35] <TheWebFox> Guest17, IBM Power?
[15:36] <Guest17> yes
[15:36] <Guest17> TheWebFox
[15:36] <TheWebFox> Guest17, https://ubuntu.com/download/server/power
[15:36] <Guest17> not el
[15:36] <TheWebFox> these work on IBM ppc64el
[15:36] <Guest17> I know
[15:37] <Guest17> should check if the is a sort of emulation for BE executables
[15:37] <TheWebFox> Guest17, which power do you exactly have?
[15:37] <TheWebFox> Power 8/9 or 7 or older?
[15:37] <Guest17> P8
[15:38] <TheWebFox> then install the ppc64el version I linked above
[15:38] <TheWebFox> it supports power 8
[15:39] <ravage> Starting with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, POWER9 and POWER10 processors are supported.
[15:39] <ravage> The support for POWER8 ends with Ubuntu 21.10, respectively Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, which is still supported for several years.
[15:39] <TheWebFox> wait no 20.04 LTS supports it
[15:39] <ravage> to quote the website
[15:40] <ravage> debian still has active ports of it
[15:40] <Guest17> thanks
[15:40] <Guest17> it would be cool to have ppc64 BE ubuntu
[15:41] <TheWebFox> Guest17, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.6/release/
[15:41] <TheWebFox> ^ Here
[15:42] <TheWebFox> PowerPC64 Little-Endian server install image
[15:42] <TheWebFox> For POWER8 and POWER9 Little-Endian systems, especially the "LC" Linux-only servers.
[15:42] <ravage> he says he has a BE system
[15:43] <Guest17> Power8 can be BE and el too
[15:43] <Guest17> But "original" POWER is BE
[15:44] <Guest17> anyway, el is fine
[15:44] <Guest17> thanks
[15:44] <TheWebFox> Guest17, EL will install
[15:44] <TheWebFox> and Little Endian applications will work
[15:44] <TheWebFox> but applications compiled for BE (Big Endian) Power will not work
[15:45] <Guest17> I think there should be an "easy" fix for that
[15:45] <Guest17> but I am not sure
[15:45] <Guest17> TheWebFox does the server edition come with a DE?
[15:45] <TheWebFox> only if you want to
[15:45] <TheWebFox> it'll ask you
[15:45] <Guest17> ok
[15:45] <ravage> it does not come with any GUI preinstalled
[15:46] <TheWebFox> ravage, it asks during install if you want Ubuntu desktop and if you check it it installs it
[15:46] <TheWebFox> Guest17, but how did you get yours hands on a Power8 mainframe?
[15:47] <ravage> i never saw that option on a recent server iso. but i dont remember 20.04 that well
[15:47] <TheWebFox> it isn't exactly "consumer hardware"
[15:47] <ravage> the new installer does not i think
[15:47] <TheWebFox> ravage, 20.04 is supported until 2025, it's the only thing that will work with Power8
[15:47] <TheWebFox> since 22.04 it only supports Power9
[15:47] <ravage> yes we already established that
[15:48] <redon3_> i am having issue with joystick it is working and recognized but wont work in linux ubuntu studio any hint ?
[15:48] <TheWebFox> Guest17, if you were to install Debian you could install in Big Endian
[15:48] <TheWebFox> and you should install that if you need to run Big Endian apps on it
[15:49] <TheWebFox> if instead you can run Little Endian stuff, use ppc64le from Ubuntu 20.04, but do not upgrade to newer, it won't work with your processor
[15:49] <TheWebFox> 20.04.6 is the last that'll work
[15:50] <floch_forster> "normal" invocation of do-release-upgrade doesn't seem to work, do I have to use -p or even -d to upgrade now?
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> floch_forster: upgrades haven't been enabled yet without -d.
[15:51] <tomreyn> floch_forster: your question lacks relevant context: which ubuntu version do you want to upgrade from and to
[15:51] <Guest17> well Ubuntu is nicer. And I had no success with Debian. I already tried
[15:52] <floch_forster> Eickmeyer, thx
[15:52] <Guest17> thanks TheWebFox
[15:54] <saiful> ?
[15:54] <tomreyn> saiful: did you mean to ask a question?
[16:22] <TheWebFox> Guest17, no problem, I find PowerPC interesting as an architecture, I've heard AIX runs on it ... I had no idea Linux still supports it
[16:22] <TheWebFox> but yeah, they even have MIPS
[16:22] <ice9> why would firefox open /etc/fstab file? could this be a security problem on my system? "apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" name="/etc/fstab" pid=3712 comm="firefox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0"
[16:23] <davros1> Is powerpc still going, do IBM still brother?
[16:23] <davros1> Bother not brother lol
[16:23] <Allie> POWER is still a thing, aye
[16:24] <audio> can anyone help with my question? https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/1771wwi/is_there_such_thing_as_a_wireless_receiver_that/
[16:26] <mosfet> depends on a few things
[16:26] <mosfet> what caliber of transmitter is the signal originating from?
[16:26] <leftyfb> !ot | audio
[16:26] <mosfet> >_<
[16:27] <mosfet> long range point to point or multipoint (thought this was #networking)
[16:31] <floch_forster> Eickmeyer, You know when they will be?
[16:36] <TheWebFox> davros1, nah, PowerPC is basically dead, IBM keeps it going only cause some big corps can't replace their mainframes
[16:36] <TheWebFox> the real danger is ARM, by each platform having special requirements, it's gonna be like in the 70s ... when you couldn't take a binary from one mainframe and run it on another
[16:37] <TheWebFox> soon, 10 ARM builds at least
[16:37] <TheWebFox> of Ubuntu, all released at once ... and having to be maintained
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> floch_forster: It can be anywhere from a day after release to a week after release, depending on circumstances. Right now there were some issues with the .iso image that it had to be recalled.
[16:39] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, why not just disable the Ukrainian translation and release it without Ukrainian
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Easier to fix the Ukranian translation.
[16:41] <TheWebFox> right ... okay, but I mean, I installed the iso, one of my PC broke during install of do-release-upgrade and I had to get the iso from torrent
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: It was just a small subset of the installer.
[16:42] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I can't even find the SHA256sum of the affected iso, I frankly feel it was an overreaction, does it begin with 444?
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: I couldn't tell you.
[16:54] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I just need someone to confirm me the hash of the ubuntu-23.10-desktop-amd64.iso file is 444c8a7b993cb6f103d7df1144954064889cbf7491b2415518d5dd0875e3a96f
[16:55] <TheWebFox> I hope I didn't get malware :-(
[16:55] <leftyfb> TheWebFox: https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04.3/SHA256SUMS
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: He wants 23.10. 🤦
[16:56] <leftyfb> https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10/SHA256SUMS
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Not going to happen. If it's not on https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10/ and some random stranger gives it to you, that's not secure at all.
[16:56] <TheWebFox> the file I downloaded is the one you pulled
[16:57] <UnivrslSuprBox> TheWebFox: your assertions about ARM aren't entirely accurate. ARM has a stable ABI across processors, a binary built for the ABI should run on any processor. There are separate operating system distribution builds for each board because of different firmware requirements for each one. Different boards boot differently and have different ways of declaring the hardware contained in them. That's a problem solved by UEFI on x86
[16:58] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, i want to confirm with someone at Ubuntu that the hash of the recalled iso that they published on 12th of October ....
[16:58] <leftyfb> !ot | UnivrslSuprBox
[16:58] <TheWebFox> and then quickly pulled out before I had time to check the iso
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Get the legacy .iso from here, it has the older installer and doesn't have the bad Ukranian translation: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/23.10/release/
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Don't be so quick to pull the !ot trigger.
[16:59] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, it's too late, I already installed the official, I downloaded the torrent earlier, when it was released, torrented  it later and by the time I went to check the SHA256, it was gone from SHA256SUM (Cannonical, you could have at least left the hash for the people that got it)
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: No.
[17:00] <TheWebFox> ok, fine
[17:00] <TheWebFox> I don't see what so hard about providing a hash of a recalled file, it's not like I can build the file from the hash, I can just be sure I didn't install malware, but fine.
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Drop it. What you're asking for isn't possible and you're just being combative at this point. I gave you a solution and now you're just being argumentative and combative which is against !guidelines.
[17:01] <TheWebFox> okay, I drop it.
[17:16] <realivanjx> is it just me or some fonts arent rendered correctly? https://files.catbox.moe/cf3930.png
[17:24] <eelstrebor> should i use apt or synaptic or snap to install apps?
[17:26] <TheWebFox> eelstrebor, meh, I hate snaps, use flatpak :-)
[17:26] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: I would use apt over synaptic. snap is good for apps that you want kept up with the latest version (browsers, email client, etc)
[17:26] <leftyfb> TheWebFox: flatpak is not officially supported on ubuntu
[17:31] <jeenah> I'm trying to build something with travis ci using ubuntu xenial. the package i'm having issues with is libcurl4-gnutls-dev_7.47.0-1ubuntu2.19_i386.deb
[17:31] <jeenah> i'm getting the message: Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:31] <jeenah>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl4-gnutls-dev_7.47.0-1ubuntu2.19_i386.deb
[17:31] <ice9> "netfilter-persistent save"  doesn't save the current rules and the file /etc/iptables/rules.v4 are not created
[17:31] <leftyfb> !eol | jeenah
[17:32] <jeenah> xenial is end of life?
[17:32] <jailbreak> Yes.
[17:32] <leftyfb> jeenah: Ubuntu 16.04 went End Of Life 2 years ago
[17:32] <eelstrebor> thanks, i'll try to remember
[17:32] <jeenah> that's the last version which supports i386 though, correct?
[17:32] <leftyfb> 18.04
[17:33] <leftyfb> which is also end of life
[17:33] <eelstrebor> is it normal for plex-htpc to go full screen when launched?
[17:34] <jeenah> it should still build though, right?
[17:34] <jeenah> is that package wrong?
[17:35] <leftyfb> jeenah: the snap-htpc snap package is maintained and supported by plex.tv
[17:35] <leftyfb> looks like it's just a client though, not the full media server
[17:36] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: ^
[17:36] <lubuntu> hello
[17:36] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: you probably want plexmediaserver
[17:36] <leftyfb> jeenah: ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 are no longer supported
[17:37] <eelstrebor> not sure if i want to do the server
[17:37] <lubuntu> im trying to install lubuntu but, i have a error installing grub
[17:37] <jeenah> what's the oldest LTS still supported?
[17:37] <TheWebFox> jeenah, 20.04
[17:37] <jeenah> thank you
[17:38] <TheWebFox> till 2025
[17:38] <jeenah> sorry for all the questions
[17:38] <TheWebFox> no problem
[17:54] <MuckRaker> I plan on installing "KVM" but use "Protonvpn" what should i know and or change before installation. - thsnks.
[17:56] <de-facto> how can i stop pulse audio or pipewire from changing the output device during playback?
[17:56] <de-facto> i dont want it to change anything without asking me, it just does it wrong, sabotaging output
[17:57] <de-facto> it wildly changed between output devices, many times per second
[17:57] <de-facto> i want to disable that ability completely
[17:57] <MuckRaker> de-facto:  as far as i can tell - each device likes its own familirarity
[17:58] <de-facto> linux audio is a complete disaster, i only want steady playback with one device at a constant volume
[17:58] <de-facto> the most minimal scenario for audio
[18:00] <MuckRaker> de-facto:  the format your individual music/video - depends upon its own format - pipewire and or pulse can only read the permissions that said device gives it.
[18:02] <MuckRaker> From my experience - you need to convert your music/video - to your personal format and create your own bank and point it to that.
[18:03] <de-facto> its changing the output device on its own, it has nothing to do with playback format of media
[18:03] <MuckRaker> of course
[18:04] <MuckRaker> create your own bank.
[18:05] <MuckRaker> ubuntu is great - you cand do that.
[18:05] <de-facto> linux audio never had a stable output device logic, they try to make it automatic, but that results in the audio server rapidly changing the output device during playback by itself, if it does that many times a second it results in stuttering because playback is scrambled between output devices
[18:05] <leftyfb> de-facto: are you saying if you play audio through any application, the audio keeps switching the output device?
[18:05] <de-facto> it happens in both pulseaudio and pipewire
[18:06] <de-facto> yes, for example youtube on firefox
[18:06] <leftyfb> sounds like a hardware/driver issue to me
[18:06] <de-facto> yes
[18:06] <de-facto> it switches between hdmi audio and realtek analog audio
[18:06] <leftyfb> de-facto: what release of ubuntu?
[18:06] <de-facto> latest lts
[18:07] <de-facto> but that is not the issue, it always was like this, with every version of ubunut
[18:07] <leftyfb> de-facto: (cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; lspci ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:07] <de-facto> i think its not ubuntu, its the sound server itself that is buggy
[18:08] <de-facto> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/b7zp
[18:09] <leftyfb> de-facto: have you tried disabling the onboard audio in your BIOS?
[18:09] <de-facto> no because that is my main audio
[18:09] <de-facto> i dont want that HDMI audio
[18:11] <MuckRaker> pardon me: do you have a hdmi monitor hooked up ?
[18:11] <de-facto> yes a TV is my monitor
[18:11] <leftyfb> de-facto: have you tried running pavucontrol and disabling the HDMI output device?
[18:11] <MuckRaker> use the non hdmi monitor as a escape when you point to it
[18:12] <de-facto> which non hdmi monitor?
[18:12] <de-facto> I only have this one
[18:12] <leftyfb> MuckRaker: that will not disable HDMI as an audio device
[18:12] <de-facto> yes leftyfb it resulted in the analog audio switching to digital output, so it broke it completely
[18:12] <de-facto> its completely buggy in every way
[18:12] <MuckRaker> It will only pick the graphics as the audio output - you are confusing it.
[18:13] <de-facto> disabling one output device re-configures another unrelated device and breaks it
[18:13] <de-facto> the horrir
[18:13] <leftyfb> de-facto: ok, hold on, can you screenshot how you disabled the HDMI output devices?
[18:13] <de-facto> with pavcontrol, clicking on the speaker
[18:14] <de-facto> then i restarted pipewire because it was completely broken
[18:14] <leftyfb> de-facto: clicking on the speaker only mutes the device
[18:14] <de-facto> i changed to pipewire and disabled the hdmi module, it did not solve it though
[18:15] <de-facto> if i could i would want to delete the kernel modules so they cant be loaded for hdmi audio
[18:15] <leftyfb> de-facto: open pavucontrol
[18:18] <de-facto> yes =
[18:18] <leftyfb> de-facto: go to the configuration tab
[18:18] <de-facto> ok disabled it there
[18:18] <leftyfb> de-facto: screenshot please
[18:20] <de-facto> leftyfb, https://i.imgur.com/sRKe4vX.png
[18:21] <leftyfb> de-facto: ok, now reboot, go back in and verify the setting is still the same and then check sound
[18:23] <MuckRaker> wont it stil try to point to garphics audio ?
[18:23] <MuckRaker> being the monitor is hdmi
[18:24] <MuckRaker> if its a laptop i bet it does
[18:27] <de-facto> leftyfb, yes it remembers that after reboot and audio still works... so far without stuttering, i will leave it like this and see if that appears again
[18:32] <MuckRaker> alsamixer
[18:33] <leftyfb> MuckRaker: the problem is already solved
[18:33] <MuckRaker> good job lefty - sorry to interupt
[18:34] <MuckRaker> lefty - cant we just restart alsa ? and not reboot ??
[18:35] <MuckRaker> I run many monitors as well - both formats - what i found was a simple log-out.
[18:36] <stefan_> msg NickServ IDENTIFY Stefan80 Beerschot1977@
[18:36] <MuckRaker> but then again , maybe i  just running goofey hw
[18:36] <MuckRaker> doh
[18:37] <MuckRaker> stefan_:  change your passwrd
[18:37] <stefan_> Ok
[18:38] <MuckRaker> today
[18:38] <MuckRaker> log out and back in and change it
[18:38] <p3lim> I've got 4 menuentries in grub, I've run `grub-reboot 0` and `grub-set-default 3`, after the 1st reboot it boots the first entry, but it doesn't change to the 4th afterwards, what gives? I've tried setting GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT to false and GRUB_DEFAULT to "saved", and verified that `grub-editenv list` shows "saved_entry=3"
[18:42] <LuckyMan> hi. How long will it take until Ubuntu update shows "there is a new version of Ubuntu do you want to update" ?
[18:44] <LuckyMan> how long does that usually takes after a new version is released?
[18:45] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: "ISO / installer availability for a new Ubuntu release does not necessarily, and not usually, coincide with the availability of an upgrade path tho this very release. For non-LTS releases such as 23.10, it usually takes "not too long" until upgrades become available, though."
[18:46] <LuckyMan> what is "not too long"? 3 days? a week? two weeks?
[18:46] <leftyfb> I don't think we have that answer
[18:47] <LuckyMan> :'-(
[18:47] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: mind you, the 23.10 desktop iso's have since been pulled as they need to fix a translation issue with them. So that will more than likely set them back even further
[18:48] <MuckRaker> Have a good day folks.
[18:48] <LuckyMan> what happens to those who already installed it?
[18:49] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: you wait until the translations are fixed and will get an update as usual
[18:49] <LuckyMan> ok
[19:02] <akira> hallo
[19:31] <nikitosiusis> what happened with https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ? 404 for me
[19:36] <tomreyn> nikitosiusis: try #ubuntu-kernel (and bring much patience)
[19:41] <durt> I have a 4 HD raid5 but my mdadm.conf is empty, is the config somewhere else?
[19:42] <tomreyn> nikitosiusis: or post at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/kernel/108
[19:43] <tomreyn> durt: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf would be the right place, if it's an md raid.
[19:44] <tomreyn> there are also dmraid and lvmraid
[20:09] <durt> tomreyn: Ya, it's mounted as md0p1, I'm going to assume its dealt with automatically on boot. I need to re-install the OS as I've experimented with it too much and created a monster. A little mdadm magic should get it configured right I hope.
[20:09] <funhouse> trying to flush cache in ubuntu --> sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[20:10] <funhouse> getting sudo: systemd-resolve: command not found
[20:10] <funhouse> ubuntu 22*
[20:11] <ravage> resolvectl flush-caches
[20:23] <funhouse> ravage, thank you
[20:33] <KXA> Good Day!  Does anyone know what happened to the Ubuntu Mainline Kernel PPA ( https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ) ...?  I am suddenly receiving an HTTP 404/Not Found error.
[20:38] <leftyfb> KXA: "try #ubuntu-kernel (and bring much patience)"
[20:40] <KXA> leftyfb:  Thank you, doing so.
[20:58] <ice9> `netfilter-persistent save` is not saving the rules, any idea?
[21:09] <DurdenSVS> hello world
[21:10] <grim210> hello
[21:10] <DurdenSVS> hi grim210
[21:11] <DurdenSVS> ircnet
[21:11] <DurdenSVS> (sorry)
[23:10] <rabbitnightmare> so is there no longer a way to install nvidia 395 drivers?!?
[23:10] <rabbitnightmare> like seriously????
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> why does sudo apt install nvidia-drivers no longer fucking work?
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> can I please get some help
[23:12] <jeremy31> !language |rabbitnightmare
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> yeah that makes the issue go away
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[23:13] <oerheks> what does drivers list give? sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> why do you continue to release this distro in such a broken state
[23:14] <Habbie> rabbitnightmare, 'we' did not do this. this is not the complaints department.
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> 470
[23:14] <oerheks> i guess it is 390 or 470
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> does 470 support the gtx 680?
[23:14] <oerheks> use that one then?
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> ok how
[23:14] <oerheks> ubuntu-drvers autoinstall
[23:15] <oerheks> it takes the best driver fro your card
[23:15] <rabbitnightmare> I have never had anything past 395 work with this card
[23:15] <rabbitnightmare> so fingers crossed
[23:16] <oerheks> alternative is the driver ppa, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:16] <oerheks> but use that on your own risk
[23:16] <rabbitnightmare> right
[23:16] <rabbitnightmare> got it
[23:17] <rabbitnightmare> gunna let this finish and if it doesnt work, then I am going back to LTS for now
[23:17] <rabbitnightmare> gunna switch all my PCs to amd gpus
[23:21] <rabbitnightmare> thank you oerheks that worked
[23:21] <rabbitnightmare> I appreciate your help
[23:21] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:22] <rabbitnightmare> sorry for my demeanor