[00:00] <antiphysicist> I have had some eclipse problems, so I am trying to apt-get purge it and reinstall, but I am getting "package eclipse is not installed so cannot be removed", eclipse IS installed it runs under applications or by typing "eclipse" into command line
[00:00] <holstein> antiphysicist: i thought you compiled it?
[00:01] <holstein> maybe im remember it wrong
[00:01] <antiphysicist> holstein: if compiled means downloaded the source and then did something that way, no, I used the built in "ubuntu software centre"
[00:01] <holstein> antiphysicist: try synaptic
[00:01] <antiphysicist> holstein: you were probably confused by my continual disconnection
[00:01] <holstein> see if you see it
[00:01] <holstein> if not, that is odd
[00:05] <antiphysicist> holstein: sorry, I'm really very new at this, I found "synaptic package manager" and used the search function and found "eclipse", that signifies that it recognises it on my pc or that it's available to download?
[00:05] <holstein> antiphysicist: well, both really
[00:06] <holstein> it should say what it available to install
[00:06] <holstein> and what is already installed
[00:06] <holstein> and should have marks to indicate
[00:08] <antiphysicist> I think I see, in the box on the right "eclipse" has no mark but many other do, eg. "ecj" has orange ubuntu symbol and eclipse-platform has green filled square, besides many others
[00:09] <antiphysicist> holstein: forgot to tag my previous message
[00:13] <holstein> the green filled square means its installed
[00:13] <holstein> pretty sure antiphysicist
[00:14] <holstein> you should be able to mark it for reinstallation right there
[00:14] <holstein> just find the package
[00:14] <holstein> and if its installed
[00:14] <holstein> it'll let you mark it for reinstallation
[00:16] <antiphysicist> holstein: it's stupid but I didn't know this "synaptic" existed, I thought you had to use ubuntu software centre or apt-get, thanks i will be better at solving my problems now
[00:16] <holstein> yeah, its gui, but not too gui :)
[00:17] <holstein> i try and do everything with apt
[00:17] <holstein> but when i get stuck, i fire up synaptic
[00:18] <holstein> synaptic used to be the default gui tool in buntu
[00:18] <holstein> til quite recently actually
[00:19] <antiphysicist> it's confusing, no google search on my problem mentioned it, all I get is command-line stuff or software manager, at first glance synaptic seems more powerful than manager and easier than terminal
[00:56] <yax51> I just upgraded to 11.04, but now none of my windows have borders and I can't close them, any ideas how to fix this?
[00:56] <holstein> yax51: ?
[00:57] <holstein> are you in unity?
[00:57] <yax51> yes, I believe so
[00:57] <holstein> well, im allergic to speculation
[00:57] <holstein> SO
[00:57] <holstein> do you have a dock-like thing on the left side?
[00:57] <holstein> one panel?
[00:57] <holstein> 2 panels?
[00:57] <yax51> yes
[00:58] <holstein> so, one panel
[00:58] <holstein> at the top
[00:58] <holstein> and a dock like thing
[00:58] <holstein> yax51: try logging out
[00:58] <holstein> and log in with classic mode
[00:58] <coalwater> sounds like a dead window decorator
[00:58] <yax51> correct, also I would like to try to move the panel to the bottom
[00:58] <holstein> see if the windows have decorations
[00:58] <yax51> ok, stand by
[00:58] <holstein> yax51: if you want to customize that UI at all
[00:59] <yax51> yes?
[00:59] <holstein> boot back in in classic mode
[00:59] <holstein> AFAIK
[00:59] <holstein> you cant move things about in unity
[00:59] <coalwater> they'll come out with a hack soon enough lol
[00:59] <holstein> :)
[01:00] <coalwater> hey holstein , have any dev interest?
[01:01] <yax51> ok, classic mode is engaged...
[01:02] <yax51> is there a way to boot into classic mode?
[01:02] <coz_> yax51,  if you are in it now it will always boot to that session option
[01:02] <coalwater> doesnt it ask u on login
[01:03] <coz_> yax51,   unless you change it of course
[01:03] <holstein> yax51: you have window decorations?
[01:03] <yax51> coalwater: no it doesn't
[01:03] <yax51> coz: cool thanks
[01:03] <yax51> holstien: yup :)
[01:05] <holstein> sweet !
[01:05]  * holstein high-fives yax51
[01:05] <yax51> hehehe
[01:07] <coalwater> yax51: when u login, down at the bottom, it lets u pick what u want to log in with
[01:07] <yax51> is the dock available in classic mode?
[01:07] <coz_> yax51,  well not  really
[01:07] <yax51> coalwater: I think I disabled that and had it log in automatically
[01:07] <coz_> yax51,  cairo dock is better anyway
[01:07] <yax51> coz: hmmm might have to check that out
[01:08] <coz_> yax51,  I replaced ...sort of ,, the Unity launcher with cairo dock  let me show pic
[01:08] <coz_> yax51,     http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-I6w8QYT8.1304122124.png
[01:10] <coalwater> thats a nice big screen lol
[01:10] <coz_> coalwater,  dual monitor
[01:10] <coalwater> is it 2 screens?
[01:10] <coalwater> yea
[01:10] <coz_> not the best thing for   unity but
[01:10] <coalwater> felt so
[01:10] <coalwater> lol
[01:10] <yax51> nice!
[01:10] <coalwater> 2 session applets
[01:10] <coz_> coalwater,  yeah I think I complained enough that global menu is a waste of time on dual monitors  so now I have two  lol
[01:11] <coz_> one for each monitor ,, wouldnt have been my solution but there it is :)
[01:24] <yax51> ok, when I plug in an external device, it mounts automatically, which is fine, but I don't want the icons on my desktop, is there a way to change that?
[01:25] <holstein> yax51: sure
[01:25] <holstein> thats in gconf-editor somewheres
[01:25] <holstein> alt-f2
[01:25] <holstein> gconf-editor
[01:26] <holstein> hmmm
[01:26] <coalwater> i think it has an option on nautilus
[01:26] <holstein> ...
[01:26] <holstein> hey, that would be easier ^
[01:27] <yax51> ok, so how do I get to nautilus?
[01:27] <coalwater> when u open ur home folder, that is nautilus
[01:27] <coalwater> the folders explorer thing
[01:28] <coalwater> give me a sec to check
[01:29] <yax51> yeah that makes sense, but how do I configure my external HDD not to put an icon on the desktop when mounted?
[01:29] <holstein> go to apps > nautilus > desktop and unclick volumes_visible
[01:29] <holstein> ^ from gconf-editor*
[01:31] <yax51> SWEET!!
[01:39] <yax51> I like this dock thing, never really played around with one before
[01:41] <antiphysicist> i had a dock on windows, they're kinda cool
[03:10] <Laggg1> hello?
[03:10] <Laggg1> Can someone help me? I just upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10
[03:11] <Laggg1> and it ate my grub
[03:15] <easwar> Laggg1, it probably has only hidden the menu
[03:22] <holstein> !grub
[03:22] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[03:22] <holstein> check that out ^ Laggg1
[03:23] <holstein> maybe you just use a live CD to recover grub and all is good :)
[04:31] <yax51> I lost the window borders in 11.04 classic and can't figure out how to get them back..
[04:32] <holstein> lol
[04:32] <holstein> yax51: you again ;)
[04:32] <yax51> I know right
[04:32] <holstein> yax51: try making a different user account
[04:32] <holstein> and logging in as that user
[04:33] <holstein> im going to be busy for a bit...
[04:33] <holstein> bbl
[04:33] <yax51> maybe I should not play with compiz anymore.....
[04:37] <holstein> yax51: ?
[04:38] <yax51> when I started playing with compiz, specifically the cube desktop, (which is really cool btw) it took away my window borders....
[04:40] <holstein> sounds like a crash to me
[04:40] <holstein> yax51: what driver?
[04:41] <holstein> maybe you should try the proprietary drivers if you are not
[04:42] <yax51> it says the proprietary driver is activated but not in use?
[04:45] <holstein> bb..
[04:57] <xAndromeda> hey do you guys know how to resize the app launcher in unity?
[04:58] <xAndromeda> it takes up the entire screen every time
[04:58] <holstein> better question is can you?
[04:58] <holstein> and AFAIK
[04:58] <holstein> you cant
[04:58] <holstein> but, im not sure
[05:00] <duanedesign> xAndromeda: yes
[05:00] <duanedesign> xAndromeda: do you have CompizConfigSettingsmanager installed?
[05:01] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:03] <duanedesign> once installed. Open the Dash and type compiz. Click to launch. Type Unity in the 'Filter' box in the top left. You will see Ubuntu Unity Plugin. Click the Experimental tab. Launcher Icon Size is the setting, it has s lsider to change the size
[05:08] <yax51> VICTORY!!!!
[05:09] <xAndromeda> um not the launcer icon size
[05:09] <xAndromeda> but the window thing
[05:09] <yax51> correct
[05:09] <xAndromeda> that pops up with the search
[05:09] <yax51> just check the window decoration in CCSM.......
[05:11] <xAndromeda> what i see on other sites
[05:11] <xAndromeda> is when you press the application icon on the unity launcher
[05:11] <xAndromeda> a black window thing pops up with a search bar and icons below it
[05:12] <xAndromeda> where you search/launch your app
[05:12] <xAndromeda> i dont seem to be getting the button on the lower right hand corner of that window
[05:12] <xAndromeda> that supposedly lets you resize it/make it fullscreen
[05:16] <coz_> xAndromeda,  yes I have that here
[05:20] <xAndromeda> coz_,  could you rephrase that? didnt quite understand
[05:20] <coz_> xAndromeda,  pj O was responding to your   not having that button to max the serach window
[05:21] <xAndromeda> you have the button?
[05:21] <coz_> yes
[05:21] <coz_> I can screenshot if you like
[05:22] <xAndromeda> no i know how it looks like
[05:23] <xAndromeda> i remember seeing it in beta 1
[05:23] <coz_> xAndromeda,  has it been this way from the initial install
[05:23] <xAndromeda> yeah
[05:23] <coz_> xAndromeda,  oo ,, how did you install it,,, upgrade or clean,, cd or minimal ??
[05:23] <xAndromeda> i should mention that i ran the beta on a vm
[05:23] <coz_> ah
[05:23] <xAndromeda> i did clean install
[05:24] <coz_> smart
[05:24] <xAndromeda> i tried installing the beta
[05:24] <coz_> xAndromeda,  the release ?  or did you upgrade the betas
[05:24] <xAndromeda> aswell
[05:24] <xAndromeda> on its own partition
[05:24] <xAndromeda> and it dosnt have the resize icon too
[05:25] <xAndromeda> im running the x64 desktop version straight off the site atm
[05:25] <coz_> xAndromeda,  mm,,   I dont recall the icon on beta  as much,, in fact it was a bit of a surprise after release
[05:25] <coz_> xAndromeda,  ok
[05:25] <xAndromeda> 2600x1200 screen so i dont think its my screen resolutin being too small
[05:25] <coz_> no
[05:26] <coz_> xAndromeda,  there is an other option which is the  minimal install cd... it isnt on the site yet but I have a copy
[05:26] <coz_> xAndromeda, this installs all packages from the net,,, so it is fully updated on first boot
[05:26] <coz_> NOT a live cd however
[05:26] <coz_> and only 19 megs
[05:28] <xAndromeda> how did you install yours?
[05:28] <coz_> xAndromeda,  minimal install cd
[05:29] <coz_> xAndromeda,  this options allows installation during any point in its release life  since it only installs current packages
[05:29] <coz_> this option rather,,, darn s :)
[05:29] <xAndromeda> gaa
[05:30] <xAndromeda> k il ltry it
[05:30] <antiphysicist> hi: when I launch an application eg. firefox from the terminal, the terminal won't let me enter any other commands until i close the application, when I close the application it reads through anything I've written and tries to execute that, I have been messing around trying to learn bash scripts and have broken something
[05:30] <coz_> xAndromeda,  ok cool..give me 2 minutes to reboot into maverick since my dropbox account is on there not here on natty
[05:34] <coz_> xAndromeda,   ok here is the link    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/mini.iso
[05:35] <coz_> xAndromeda,  now just a bit of explanation,, this is a test install,,not difficult..however, once the base system is installed you will be presented with a list of applications  and DE's to choose from,, I suggest only ubuntu-desktop... however on that list you must use   the up and down arrow to scroll and the Space bar to select,, not ENTER
[05:35] <coz_> once seleted then hit enter
[05:36] <coz_> o0
[05:37] <coz_> ok I guess he already downloade it
[05:43] <antiphysicist> hi: when I launch an application eg. firefox from the terminal, the terminal won't let me enter any other commands until i close the application, when I close the application it reads through anything I've written and tries to execute that, I have been messing around trying to learn bash scripts and have broken something
[06:34] <andro_> why is the ui from the x86 version different from the i64 version?
[06:34] <holstein> andro_: im going to guess its graphics driver related
[06:34] <holstein> and one is supporting 3d out of the box
[06:45] <nzashadow> should I upgrade to ubuntu 11.04
[06:45] <nzashadow> ?
[06:45] <truepurple> nzashadow: I don't know much, I haven't even gotten it to fully load
[06:45] <holstein> lol
[06:45] <truepurple> nzashadow: But I can tell you a little bit
[06:45] <holstein> nzashadow: do you want it?
[06:45] <holstein> have you checked it out live?
[06:46] <nzashadow> not sure, and no haven't checked it out
[06:46] <holstein> thats what i suggest the live CD's for
[06:46] <truepurple> nzashadow: Most of the change is in the desktop, and some graphics cards/hardwares might not be able to handle it
[06:46] <truepurple> besides using the live CD to judge it, it also alerts you of trouble with it before hand
[06:47] <nzashadow> mm, well I just got ubuntu 10.10 a couple days ago, my first time to try linux out
[06:47] <holstein> maybe you should live in that for a while then
[06:48] <nzashadow> so I'm not sure if it would be beginner friendly, or if it'll mess with the settings I have already or whatnot
[06:48] <truepurple>  I failed to install a ATI driver from additional drivers, http://pastebin.com/9iC0sCwL Can someone please help make this work?
[06:48] <nzashadow> alright, sounds like a plan
[06:49] <holstein> truepurple: are you upgraded?
[06:49] <holstein> fully up to date?
[06:49] <truepurple> Sort of, it says I am, but I have to go to "old linux" to get to desktop
[06:49] <truepurple> It might be that my current soft drivers are insufficient for unity
[06:49] <truepurple> Which brings us to this
[06:50] <holstein> right
[06:50] <holstein> well, open a terminal
[06:50] <holstein> and run
[06:50] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[06:50] <holstein> then
[06:50] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:50] <holstein> then, when that is done
[06:50] <truepurple> Your talking about geting a open driver?
[06:50] <holstein> try the driver install again
[06:50] <truepurple> I did the updates
[06:50] <holstein> and if it fails come back :)
[06:50] <truepurple> All it did was update firefox
[06:50] <holstein> truepurple: so, you are up to date?
[06:51] <truepurple> yeah
[06:51] <truepurple> except video card driver
[06:51] <holstein> well, its current
[06:51] <holstein> your just not getting the proper driver
[06:51] <holstein> the one you want*
[06:51] <truepurple> I wouldn't put it in those terms
[06:51] <holstein> yeah?
[06:52] <truepurple> But whatever, did you check out the link?
[06:52] <holstein> you think you have the proprietary driver installed then?
[06:52] <holstein> and it needs to be upgraded?
[06:52] <truepurple> no
[06:52] <holstein> thats an interesting perspective
[06:52] <holstein> anyhow
[06:52] <holstein> check out
[06:52] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:52] <holstein> and yes
[06:52] <holstein> i looked at the link
[06:53] <truepurple> Those instructions lay outside of this problem
[06:53] <holstein> yeah?
[06:53] <holstein> in what way?
[06:53] <truepurple> And yes I already looked at them
[06:53] <holstein> OK
[06:53] <Sirkill> nzashadow i updated to 11.04 i'm not really liking it
[06:53] <holstein> so you can check and see if fglrx is installed
[06:54] <truepurple> "his is found under System->Administration->Additional Drivers.
[06:54] <truepurple> After the fglrx driver is installed, reboot your system and login. To check whether the fglrx driver is working, open a Terminal " nothing in there covers "and if it refuses to install resulting in X error"
[06:55] <truepurple> Well the error suggests it did not install
[06:55] <holstein> truepurple: right
[06:55] <truepurple> Suggests, hell it says it flat out
[06:55] <holstein> so you tried getting a driver from http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx ?
[06:55] <holstein> yeah, the driver is not getting installed
[06:55] <nzashadow> sirkill: what don't you like about it?
[06:55] <holstein> thats why i was suggesting that link
[06:56] <holstein> so you could maybe get some different packages
[06:56] <Sirkill> it changed most of my setting
[06:56] <holstein> from ati
[06:56] <holstein> instead of just using the automatic one from buntu
[06:56] <holstein> which is failing for you for some reason
[06:56] <truepurple> That is one option I've considered, though I don't know how to install it, but I was told that, that option is also more difficult to remove, and also does not autoupdate
[06:56] <Sirkill> for example i had teh connections btoon seperate from the other stuff up top and on the bottom
[06:56] <Sirkill> and it moved it back to the top without asking me
[06:56] <holstein> truepurple: well, you got options
[06:56] <holstein> 2d
[06:56] <Sirkill> also
[06:56] <truepurple> Additionally, something is wrong that I get this error, and I want to know why
[06:56] <Sirkill> installed firefox 4
[06:57] <holstein> gnome or unity-2d
[06:57] <Sirkill> which i was avoidinginstalling
[06:57] <holstein> truepurple: or, trying a different driver
[06:57] <Sirkill> and now my vmware tools somehow got uninstalled
[06:57] <Sirkill> which is a real pain
[06:57] <truepurple> Are you able to help me install this one?
[06:57] <Sirkill> becuase its a massive annoyance to me to reinstall them
[06:57] <holstein> truepurple: there are pretty good instructions at that wiki
[06:57] <Sirkill> becuase i am not sure how i did it the first time
[06:57] <holstein> if you get stuck somewhere
[06:57] <holstein> im sure someone could help :)
[06:58] <Sirkill> speaking of which how would i go about installing the vmware tools
[06:58] <truepurple> holstein: I just told you that the problem lies outside of those instructions, and explicitely showed you how they do
[06:59] <holstein> truepurple: i realize you did
[06:59] <holstein> but
[06:59] <holstein> i dont think you are willing to try the ati drivers
[06:59] <holstein> from
[06:59] <holstein> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[06:59] <holstein> which is also suggested at that link
[06:59] <holstein> and thats fine if you dont want to try it
[06:59] <holstein> its just really the only other option though
[06:59] <truepurple> holstein: I gave you 3 reasons why I didn't want to do that
[07:00] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Install the fglrx Driver from AMD/ATI Catalyst 11.2 For Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick
[07:00] <holstein> truepurple: right
[07:00] <holstein> and valid ones
[07:00] <holstein> BUT
[07:00] <holstein> that doesnt change the facts
[07:00] <holstein> you can file a bug
[07:00] <holstein> and follow up
[07:00] <truepurple> holstein: There is another option, finding someone knowledgable enough to be able to tell me what is going wrong here, and how to fix it, you are not such a person?
[07:00] <holstein> and see
[07:00] <holstein> truepurple: whats wrong is
[07:00] <holstein> the driver in the repos
[07:00] <holstein> is not working with your hardware
[07:00] <nzashadow> ah, thanks sirkill, those are the kind of problems I want to avoid
[07:01] <holstein> i am not the one to fix it
[07:01] <holstein> and its challenging to do so
[07:01] <truepurple> holstein: how did you come to that conclusion?
[07:01] <holstein> since these are not open source
[07:01] <holstein> truepurple: well, you try it
[07:01] <holstein> and it doesnt work
[07:01] <truepurple> try what?
[07:01] <holstein> installing
[07:01] <holstein> the drivers
[07:01] <Sirkill> nzashadow i wish i had avoided them now =(
[07:01] <holstein> from the default repo
[07:01] <holstein> and it fails
[07:01] <Sirkill> i spent about an hour seting things back to normal
[07:01] <Sirkill> and things still arent completely normal
[07:02] <truepurple> There is more then one possible cause for the driver to fail to work like that
[07:02] <holstein> sure
[07:02] <holstein> other packages
[07:02] <holstein> which you said you are up to date
[07:02] <nzashadow> so, what are some advantages to ubuntu 11.04?
[07:02] <holstein> kernel*
[07:02] <holstein> who knows what other packages
[07:02] <holstein> truepurple: have you found a bug?
[07:02] <truepurple> I mean more then just that, or how do you know those are the only two possible causes?
[07:02] <holstein> relating to your hardware?
[07:03] <holstein> a bug report*
[07:03] <Sirkill> nzashadow ah it has a cool scrill bar
[07:03] <Sirkill> scroll
[07:03] <holstein> truepurple: i dont
[07:03] <truepurple> Well, you seem to assume it is a bug related to my hardware
[07:03] <holstein> i assume its a bug relating to the driver in the repos
[07:03] <holstein> working with your hardware
[07:03] <holstein> yes
[07:03] <holstein> maybe noe
[07:03] <holstein> not*
[07:03] <holstein> but
[07:03] <holstein> it aint workin
[07:04] <holstein> and you havent tried the other driver
[07:04] <holstein> which would be an easy way to confirm that*
[07:04] <holstein> but, do what you feel comfortable with
[07:04] <nzashadow> that's not too exciting, lol
[07:04] <truepurple> That wouldn't confirm anything
[07:04] <holstein> i would look around for a bug report
[07:04] <holstein> truepurple: ??
[07:04] <holstein> that would confirm that your hardware works
[07:04] <holstein> and the ati driver from the ati site works
[07:05] <holstein> and the driver from buntu doesnt
[07:05] <holstein> rigth?
[07:05] <holstein> mabye we're not on the same page
[07:05] <holstein> ...
[07:05] <truepurple> Since its possibly a different driver, plus the ati driver specifies its for 6xxx series. Also I have talked to other people who have used that driver
[07:06] <holstein> well, just for the future
[07:06] <holstein> when someone suggests trying a different driver
[07:06] <holstein> you might want to consider being open to it
[07:06] <holstein> its challening to troubleshoot some of these issues
[07:06] <holstein> relating to non-open hardware
[07:06] <Sirkill> also
[07:06] <holstein> any hardware really*
[07:06] <truepurple> I was open to it, when i first considered that driver, but the clincher is that its difficult to remove
[07:06] <Sirkill> i cant right click in  program in wine
[07:07] <Sirkill> is this normal?
[07:07] <truepurple> So I can't just test it then try something else
[07:07] <holstein> truepurple: did you find a bug report?
[07:07] <truepurple> a bug report where and how?
[07:07] <holstein> launchpad
[07:07] <truepurple> Do I SE that term? I might come up with rockets etc links
[07:07] <holstein> truepurple: you can search in google 'ubuntu ati 6570' or whatever
[07:08] <holstein> maybe 'ubuntu bugs'
[07:08] <holstein> or 'ubuntu lauchpad'
[07:08] <holstein> if you dont see anything
[07:08] <holstein> then you might consider creating a launchpad account
[07:08] <holstein> and start a bug report
[07:08] <truepurple> holstein: Link?
[07:09] <holstein> if you are having trouble
[07:09] <holstein> someone else is too
[07:09] <holstein> truepurple: link to?
[07:09] <truepurple> this launchpad
[07:09] <truepurple> I'd SE it, but its too common a term
[07:09] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[07:09] <holstein> se?
[07:10] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[07:10] <truepurple> Search engine
[07:11] <nzashadow> has anyone tried config fusion?
[07:11] <holstein> if you put 'ubuntu' with it
[07:11] <holstein> it'll come up
[07:11] <holstein> i put ubuntu la in google
[07:11] <holstein> and its auto-completing launchpad :)
[07:18] <truepurple> http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx but the link doesn't work
[07:21] <holstein> \http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU83ATICatalystLinuxHotfix.aspx
[07:21] <holstein> truepurple: its working for me
[07:21] <holstein> try loading again*
[07:22] <holstein> oh, i see
[07:22] <holstein> yeah the fix link is dead
[07:22] <holstein> let me look around in my se
[07:23] <truepurple> Not that I am sure if that fix is even related
[07:25] <holstein> yeah
[07:25] <holstein> im not sure what device you have
[07:25] <holstein> but, you could always request amd fix the link
[07:25] <holstein> im sure they just dont know its broken
[08:11] <truepurple>  I failed to install a ATI driver from additional drivers, http://pastebin.com/9iC0sCwL Can someone please help make this work?
[08:17] <Sirkill> ah
[08:18] <Sirkill> i used a windows driver installer thing
[08:18] <Sirkill> kinda like wine but for drviers
[08:18] <Sirkill> want me to show you the program?
[08:18] <Sirkill> or do you not have windows drivers?
[08:24] <truepurple> Sirkill: Hi what do you mean?
[08:25] <truepurple> Sirkill: Windows driver installer, for linux ubuntu?
[08:25] <Sirkill> mhmmm
[08:26] <Sirkill> truepurple
[08:26] <truepurple> Yeah?
[08:26] <Sirkill> yup
[08:26] <Sirkill> not sure if it'll work
[08:26] <Sirkill> or where i got it but i can probably find it
[08:26] <truepurple> Well I will look at it
[08:26] <Sirkill> its called windows wireless drivers
[08:27] <truepurple> Id need to establish trustworthness of source and reliability of software before I install it though
[08:27] <truepurple> wireless?
[08:27] <truepurple> This is sounding stranger and stranger
[08:27] <Sirkill> what is yours not wireless?
[08:27] <truepurple> My modem you mean?
[08:27] <Sirkill> ohooooh we're talking about modems
[08:27] <truepurple> No
[08:28] <Sirkill> I thought you meant your wireless card
[08:28] <truepurple> But that was the only thing I could think of where wireless would apply
[08:28] <Sirkill> for wireless interent
[08:28] <truepurple> No, I am talking about video card drivers
[08:28] <Sirkill> oh lol my mistake
[08:28] <Sirkill> =\
[08:28] <Sirkill> waht does google come up with?
[08:31] <truepurple> I got lots of links
[08:32] <truepurple> Someone gave me this one that looks promising as far as cause
[08:32] <truepurple> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/709505
[08:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709505 in fglrx-installer "[MASTER] fglrx failed to install/upgrade due to being incompatible with 2.6.38 kernel" [Critical,Fix released]
[08:32] <truepurple> how do you remove said driver though?
[08:32] <truepurple> That was weird, that link trigger that bot?
[08:33] <Sirkill> probably
[08:33] <Sirkill> is it not working
[08:34] <Sirkill> i dunno i'm a linux noob too
[08:36] <bioterror> truepurple, which radeon card you have?
[11:08] <rx007> hello
[11:34] <preyas> ANY1 HERE??
[11:34] <preyas> sir i want to install gnome3 shell in ubuntu 11.04
[11:34] <preyas> how can i do this
[12:30] <MrsHillBilly> Can anyone help me with installing via wine please
[12:53] <preyas__> i want to change the theme of gnome 3 can anybody help me
[13:00] <duanedesign> hello preyas__
[13:00] <preyas__> hi
[13:01] <duanedesign> preyas__: are you using Gnome Shell?
[13:01] <preyas__> yes sit
[13:01] <preyas__> yes sir
[13:01] <preyas__> i had installed it today
[13:02] <preyas__> but my themes adwaira
[13:02] <preyas__> adwaita
[13:02] <preyas__> i had installed gnome tweak pack also
[13:02] <preyas__> to change but there are no more good themes in it
[13:03] <preyas__> so i  want to install more themes
[13:03] <preyas__> how can i do this job
[13:03] <preyas__> plzz reply fast
[13:03] <duanedesign> I think the app you want is  gnome-tweak-tool
[13:04] <duanedesign> ohh you already installed
[13:04] <duanedesign> preyas__: do you have the package:   gnome-themes-standard
[13:07] <preyas2> yea i have
[13:07] <preyas2> i installed
[13:07] <preyas2> it
[13:08] <preyas2> first after installing gnome shell old theme was coming
[13:08] <preyas2> then i try theese two commands
[13:08] <preyas2> sudo apt-get purge gnome-accessibility-themes
[13:08] <preyas2> and
[13:08] <preyas2> sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-standard
[13:08] <preyas2> by these my theme got correct
[13:08] <preyas2> but now i want to change the theme
[13:09] <preyas2> duanedesign, u there
[13:10] <duanedesign> yes
[13:10] <preyas2> do u got the solution
[13:10] <preyas2> for me
[13:11] <duanedesign> i am not sure of any other meta packages with themes. You ccould look for themes on http://gnome-look.org
[13:14] <nlsthzn> guys, I am getting an error trying to make u1 my default address book in evolution, get the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/601301/
[13:15] <duanedesign> preyas__: their is a Gnome Shell group on deviant art. You can find some themes their http://gnome-shell.deviantart.com/
[13:15] <duanedesign> hello nlsthzn
[13:15]  * duanedesign looking
[13:16] <nlsthzn> duanedesign: thanks... saw your nick on the forum and new you where always busy here... reason I decided to ask when I saw you where already here :p
[13:16] <duanedesign> nlsthzn: can you hop over to #ubuntuone?
[13:16] <nlsthzn> sure
[14:37] <redunndancy> howdy everyone
[14:38] <redunndancy> I'm having some interface problems after upgrading to ubuntu 11.04, seems like compiz is totally junked at this point?
[14:43] <fatharrahman> hello
[14:45] <fatharrahman> I downloaded Natty alongside Maverick but I din't like Natty now how to remove  it and got back my resized partition without affect my data
[14:45] <fatharrahman> ?
[15:55] <Brightscripter> Hi. Yesterday I updated to 11.04. since the update, my network connection doesn't work any more. I've tried to install the BCM43** drivers (which I succesfully installed and used in the last version of ubuntu) but still neither lan nor wlan works. (also the driver doesn't show up in the additional drivers thingy.) currently I'm connected via my Phone.
[15:56] <holstein> Brightscripter: did you find a bug report?
[15:56] <holstein> if you link me the wifi device info from lspci
[15:56] <holstein> i'll look around :)
[15:57] <Brightscripter> I'm sorry but what is lspci?
[15:57] <Brightscripter> I'm really new to linux in general
[15:57] <holstein> if you open a terminal
[15:57] <holstein> you can run lspci
[15:57] <holstein> and you'll see a lot of output
[15:57] <Brightscripter> done
[15:57] <holstein> one of those lines will be the wifi card info
[15:58] <holstein> if you want to paste that line here
[15:58] <holstein> IF
[15:58] <holstein> you are not sure about what is what
[15:58] <holstein> you can use ubuntupaste
[15:58] <Brightscripter> ok
[15:58] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:58] <holstein> and paste the whole thing
[15:58] <holstein> and i'll look around for an existing bug
[15:58] <holstein> Brightscripter: ALSO
[15:58] <holstein> if you can hook the machine up
[15:59] <holstein> wired internet
[15:59] <holstein> and get that working*
[15:59] <holstein> you should update the machine
[15:59] <holstein> get all updates availalbe
[15:59] <holstein> since fixes can come in
[16:00] <Brightscripter> my machine is up to date (just checked
[16:00] <holstein> well, it'll say that
[16:00] <holstein> when it cant get online and check
[16:00] <holstein> Brightscripter: are you online with the machine now?
[16:00] <Brightscripter> yes
[16:00] <holstein> OK
[16:01] <Brightscripter> via my phone
[16:01] <holstein> open a terminal
[16:01] <holstein> use
[16:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[16:01] <holstein> and
[16:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:01] <holstein> *just to make sure
[16:01] <holstein> also, note how many packages, if any, are going to come in
[16:02] <holstein> since you are tethering
[16:02] <Brightscripter> no thethering. My phone is connectet to my Wlan and it forwards the wlan connection via usb to my pc
[16:02] <holstein> OK
[16:03] <holstein> so you're not using the cell network anyways then
[16:03] <holstein> cool
[16:03] <Brightscripter> right
[16:03] <Brightscripter> still no updates
[16:03] <holstein> thats fine then
[16:03] <holstein> i just like to make sure
[16:03] <Brightscripter> let me try the other command again
[16:04] <holstein> a kernel update can really change things
[16:04] <Brightscripter> 01:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[16:04] <Brightscripter> thats my network card
[16:05] <holstein> Brightscripter: have you read this?
[16:05] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:06] <holstein> ^ check that out while i search for a bug
[16:07] <holstein> Brightscripter: OK
[16:07] <holstein> check this
[16:07] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/763121
[16:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 763121 in ubuntu "Broadcom wireless BCM4318 PCMCIA card doesn't work (dup-of: 730290)" [Undecided,New]
[16:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730290 in jockey "b43 wireless driver does not appear in Jockey" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:07] <holstein> make sure thats you ^
[16:08] <holstein> try in a terminal
[16:08] <holstein> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[16:08] <holstein> while online*
[16:09] <Brightscripter> I had those STA drivers installed, but they didn't show up in the additional drivers thing
[16:09] <holstein> right
[16:09] <holstein> thats the bug
[16:10] <holstein> Brightscripter: if you dont mind
[16:10] <holstein> go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/761091
[16:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 761091 in jockey "Additional Drivers dont offer Broadcom driver on Natty 11.04 beta2 (dup-of: 730290)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730290 in jockey "b43 wireless driver does not appear in Jockey" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:10] <holstein> and add yourself
[16:10] <holstein> as affected
[16:11] <holstein> Brightscripter: i would go and uninstall the other driver
[16:11] <holstein> with the jockey
[16:11] <holstein> then install firmware-b43-installer
[16:11] <Brightscripter> drivers are already uninstalled
[16:12] <holstein> OK
[16:12] <holstein> so sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer should do you right then
[16:12] <Brightscripter> done
[16:12] <Brightscripter> should I restart?
[16:17] <holstein> Brightscripter: im not sure
[16:17] <holstein> maybe
[16:18] <holstein> i remember one of those drivers required a restart
[16:20] <Brightscripter> ok I'm just gonna restart
[16:24] <holstein> Brightscripter: ?
[16:24] <Brightscripter> I'm sorry it didn't work
[16:24] <holstein> :/
[16:25] <holstein> Brightscripter: does it say in the jockey that drivers are activated?
[16:25] <holstein> i would still try sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer since the restart
[16:25] <holstein> THEN, i think you're getting into using ndiswrapper
[16:26] <Brightscripter> the driver isn't activated
[16:26] <holstein> sudo apt-get ndisgtk
[16:26] <holstein> Brightscripter: can you activate it?
[16:26] <Brightscripter> it doesn't show up....
[16:26] <holstein> right
[16:26] <holstein> the b43 one shouldng
[16:26] <holstein> shouldnt*
[16:27] <holstein> since thats broken
[16:27] <holstein> but the other one should *not* be activated
[16:27] <holstein> anyways, try it again since the restart
[16:27] <Brightscripter> ok
[16:27] <holstein> and then move on to ndisgtk i say
[16:27] <holstein> you'll need a windows driver
[16:27] <holstein> a .inf file
[16:28] <Brightscripter> I already searched for something like that, but didn't find anything
[16:28] <Brightscripter> are you sure apt-get ndisgtk is corretly written?
[16:29] <holstein> apt-get install ndisgtk
[16:29] <Brightscripter> done
[16:30] <holstein> its in the menu somewhere
[16:30] <holstein> windows drivers
[16:30] <holstein> something like that
[16:30] <holstein> OR you can run sudo ndisgtk
[16:30] <holstein> from the terminal
[16:30] <holstein> *if you need to
[16:31] <Brightscripter> got it
[16:31] <holstein> firmware-b43-installer *should* work
[16:31] <Brightscripter> now i need the inf file
[16:42] <truepurple> bioterror:  radeon 6850
[16:51] <holstein> truepurple: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1709769
[16:51] <holstein> this seems like what you are looking for
[16:51] <holstein> The fglrx (ATI porprietary drivers) do not support new xserver 1.10
[16:54] <truepurple> So its not just the one I get from additional drivers, but any?
[16:57] <holstein> truepurple: where i read, there is no specification
[16:57] <holstein> if i were you
[16:57] <holstein> and wanted 3d
[16:57] <holstein> i would probably try the latest i could find
[16:58] <holstein> maybe that PPA
[16:58] <truepurple> like the one you download from ATI
[16:58] <truepurple> What is a xserver?
[16:58] <stlsaint> truepurple: your graphics config ;)
[16:58] <stlsaint> in simple terms
[16:58] <holstein> http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xserver.1.html
[16:59] <holstein> truepurple: you have 11.04?
[16:59] <holstein> you can always go back to ubuntu 10.04
[16:59] <truepurple> well, at least half of it
[16:59] <truepurple> How?
[16:59] <holstein> OR if your are just wanting unity
[16:59] <holstein> theres a unity-2d
[17:00] <holstein> sudo apt-get unity-2d
[17:00] <holstein> and select it at login
[17:00] <truepurple> No, I mean reverting, and it would be to 10.10
[17:00] <holstein> well, im suggesting 10.04
[17:00] <holstein> since its the LTS
[17:00] <stlsaint> there is not going backwards unless reinstalling
[17:00] <holstein> LTS= long term support
[17:00] <stlsaint> jfyi
[17:00] <holstein> and yeah
[17:00] <holstein> you'd install that
[17:01] <holstein> from scratch
[17:01] <holstein> im just laying out options though*
[17:02] <holstein> actually, its looking like 10.10 isnt able to support that card yet either
[17:02] <holstein> so probably moving forward is the only option
[17:04] <truepurple> The driver from ATIs website specifically states its for the 6xxx series, so its a question of this xserver update thing
[17:05] <truepurple> This xserver update, it is in 10.10?
[17:06] <holstein> id have to check
[17:06] <holstein> let me through a couple things at you
[17:06] <holstein> im running out the door
[17:06] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[17:06] <holstein> ^ that could be an option
[17:07] <holstein> i got that from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008190
[17:07] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675974 was relavant
[17:08] <holstein> i have several nvidia cards and an ATI card that do not have 3d
[17:09] <holstein> ATI and VIA actually
[17:10] <holstein> i have definetly beat my head against the wall before though
[17:10] <truepurple> oh boy, more headaches, so is it the installer that is the issue or an actual incompatibility? These links seem to be telling me opposing things
[17:10] <holstein> and at the end, if i get it working
[17:10] <holstein> its like 'now what'
[17:10] <holstein> i mean, if you're not going to play games on the machine
[17:10] <holstein> and you're OK without compiz
[17:10] <holstein> i say, let it go
[17:11] <holstein> truepurple: it wont be the installer*
[17:11] <holstein> thats easy to get around
[17:11] <holstein> its an incompatibilty
[17:11] <holstein> somewhere along the way
[17:11] <holstein> and its challening
[17:11] <truepurple> Well I might play games, though I do plan to dual boot with win7 eventually
[17:11] <holstein> since no one that manufactures that card really cares about your experience in linux
[17:12] <holstein> and no one envolved in linux *can* care
[17:12] <holstein> and do anything
[17:12] <holstein> you just gotta poke around for bug reports
[17:12] <holstein> and try and contribute infor
[17:12] <holstein> info*
[17:12] <holstein> and maybe have a test partition
[17:12] <holstein> so you can really try some different drivers
[17:13] <truepurple> Well http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675974 suggests its jockey,
[17:13] <holstein> and not be worried about blowing the whole thing out
[17:13] <holstein> truepurple: OK
[17:13] <holstein> so what if its the jockey?
[17:13] <holstein> whats that do for you?
[17:13] <truepurple> Also, ATIs website for its driver SPECIFICALLY mentions its compatible with 6xxx
[17:13] <holstein> you want to try searching in a package manager for fglrx ?
[17:13] <holstein> and manually installing the driver?
[17:14] <truepurple> Simple, I download the file (already have actually) from ATIs website, and manually install the driver
[17:14] <holstein> thats what i would try8
[17:14] <holstein> with the idea that
[17:14] <holstein> if it breaks something
[17:14] <holstein> i know how to go it and fix it
[17:14] <holstein> OR
[17:14] <truepurple> Though, there is the issue of, I don't know how to do that, or how to clear it out latter if I change my mind
[17:14] <holstein> i dont mind wiping the install
[17:14] <holstein> if i break something
[17:15] <truepurple> Instructions I found online for installing it, simply did not work
[17:15] <holstein> right
[17:15] <holstein> you'd have to keep track of the errors
[17:15] <truepurple> The commands give, did not function as specified
[17:15] <holstein> and hopefully
[17:16] <holstein> someone could help you troubleshoot them
[17:16] <holstein> as you go
[17:16] <truepurple> Ok, but how do I begin?
[17:16] <holstein> truepurple: i would look for a readme
[17:16] <holstein> in the downloaded driver
[17:16] <truepurple> It doesn't come with one
[17:16] <holstein> then, i would ask for one
[17:17] <holstein> because it should
[17:17] <truepurple> From ATI? They have stated a lack of support
[17:17] <holstein> no read me?
[17:17] <holstein> no instructions?
[17:17] <holstein> just a blob?
[17:17] <truepurple> unless the 70mb file I downloaded unpacks somehow
[17:17] <holstein> yeah, it should
[17:18] <holstein> anyways.. i gotta run
[17:18] <holstein> truepurple: good luck
[17:18] <holstein> i would do that
[17:18] <holstein> stay on that til you get it to install*
[17:18] <truepurple> well if it does, I dont know how
[17:18] <holstein> actually, i would just run 2d :)
[17:18] <holstein> truepurple: you can link here
[17:18] <holstein> the link
[17:18] <holstein> and 'i downloaded this and dont know what to do with it'
[17:18] <truepurple> here?
[17:18] <holstein> 'can anyone find a readme in it?'
[17:19] <holstein> sure
[17:19] <holstein> why not
[17:19] <truepurple> Because your the only one trying to help me at the moment
[17:19] <holstein> right
[17:19] <holstein> but others are around
[17:19] <holstein> just not so much on the weekends usually :/
[17:19] <truepurple> Everyone else has been silent for reasons of not being able to help or what ever
[17:20] <holstein> well, its a challenging issue
[17:20] <holstein> and you are probably the only one in here with that card
[17:20] <truepurple> Anyway, isn't a .run file, a windows executable?
[17:20] <holstein> hmmm
[17:20] <truepurple> Or can .run also mean packed?
[17:20] <truepurple> I meant to say linux executable
[17:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingRunPackage
[17:21] <holstein> anyways... good luck
[17:21] <holstein> BBL..
[17:21] <truepurple> Wait sorry one more moment
[17:21] <truepurple> Is it possible if I install this, that I could screw things up?
[17:22] <stlsaint> truepurple: anything can jack something up
[17:22] <stlsaint> what package are you installing?
[17:22] <stlsaint> video driver?
[17:22] <truepurple> Yes, from ATIs website
[17:22] <truepurple> I'd also like to know how to clean it out latter if I change my mind
[17:22] <truepurple> If it doesn't work well
[17:23] <th^^> ati drivers in 11.04 are the newest
[17:23] <stlsaint> truepurple: are you familiar with command line?
[17:23] <th^^> actually newer than newest :)
[17:23] <th^^> ati made special preview release of 11-5 drivers for 11.04
[17:23] <truepurple> th^^: Not new enough to actually run unity
[17:24] <th^^> runs fine for me
[17:24] <truepurple> stlsaint: What command line?
[17:24] <th^^> but latest 'official' drivers are anyway older than the one included
[17:24] <truepurple> th^^: What radeon card do you have?
[17:24] <th^^> hd6870
[17:24] <truepurple> th^^: Ah, then your the one to talk to, since i have a 6850
[17:25] <th^^> doesn't it start at all?
[17:25] <truepurple> Well, first it loaded to a blank screen with a couple lines of flashing dashes at the top
[17:25] <th^^> or are you running with open driver?
[17:26] <truepurple> Now it shows a list of stuff I don't understand, followed by nothinginess
[17:26] <th^^> open driver worked nicely for unity for me, but the performance is abysmal for games
[17:26] <th^^> for proprietary driver just click them on from 'additional drivers'
[17:26] <truepurple> th^^: Do you have the proprietary driver installed?
[17:26] <th^^> it works great for games, fine for unity, altho dragging windows around etc is slightly slower than with open drivers
[17:26] <th^^> yes
[17:27] <th^^> but i need my games :)
[17:27] <truepurple> Thats the thing, installing from additional drivers doesn't work for me
[17:27] <th^^> it doesn't install or it doesn't work?
[17:27] <truepurple> Doesn't install
[17:27] <truepurple>  http://pastebin.com/9iC0sCwL
[17:28] <truepurple> th^^: What ubuntu version are you using? 11.04?
[17:28] <th^^> yup
[17:29] <truepurple> Hmm, links I have say it doesn't work, but you say it does, I am getting so many different conflicting messages on this
[17:29] <th^^> hum
[17:29] <th^^> did you upgrade?
[17:29] <truepurple> Anyway, can you make heads or tails of that error then?
[17:29] <th^^> or clean install
[17:29] <truepurple> upgrade
[17:29] <th^^> this looks bizarre: Building for 2.6.35-28-generic and 2.6.38-8-generic
[17:29] <th^^> it looks like it's trying to build it for older kernel
[17:29] <th^^> sure you booted up to the natty kernel? :)
[17:30] <th^^> 2.6.38 is the natty one
[17:30] <truepurple> Well, since I can't load unity, I have to hold down shift at load and choose "use older linux"
[17:30] <th^^> you can choose classic gnome from GDM
[17:30] <truepurple> I have been thinking the reason it won't load is because of my video driver
[17:31] <truepurple> GDM?
[17:31] <th^^> you can get to the login screen right
[17:31] <th^^> login screen = gdm
[17:31] <th^^> gnome display manager :)
[17:31] <truepurple> If I hold down shift
[17:31] <truepurple> during load
[17:32] <truepurple> I can get to a selection screen
[17:32] <truepurple> I disabled login
[17:32] <th^^> hum. enable it again
[17:32] <th^^> then boot to the newer natty kernel, choose classic gnome for login, then install proprietary driver, boot
[17:33] <th^^> i have no experience with upgrades to natty, though, just guessing here
[17:33] <truepurple> Login is the screen where it asks for your password?
[17:33] <th^^> yes
[17:34] <th^^> select your username -> look for dropdown at bottom of the screen, there you can choose Ubuntu (this is unity), Ubuntu classic and Ubuntu classic (noeffects)
[17:34] <truepurple> Ok, *sigh* I got like a thousand bits of info and links to preserve if this doesn't work, then I will try that. Would you please stick around?
[17:34] <th^^> classic is old gnome2 desktop
[17:34] <th^^> more or less
[17:34] <th^^> need to go buy some food though :)
[17:35] <truepurple> Well come back please, your about the only one i have encountered with experience with 6xxx radeon and ubuntu
[17:36] <th^^> ^^
[17:36] <truepurple> With firefox, do you know a way to close redundant windows?
[17:37] <th^^> well this should do it: 1) disable automatic login 2) boot to the natty kernel 3) if it boots ok and you get to the login screen, 4) login using classic noeffects 5) install driver from additional drivers. 6) if it still gives the same error, remove old kernel
[17:38] <th^^> now bb 30mins or so, need kebaaab :) ->
[17:38] <truepurple> old kernal?
[17:39] <rokyronnie> big troubles with a hard disk ! some help ? :(
[17:40] <th^^> truepurple: the 2.6.35 one
[17:40] <th^^> truepurple: however it should work if you just boot to the new kernel
[17:40] <th^^> but now brb >
[17:48] <rokyronnie> cause I wanted to combine 2 partitions without losing data I resized a partition by adding to it the free space from that HDD, so that's what I did, but, after rebot my PC runns very ver HARD, I opened Gparted, and guess what? that free space is still there and now in Gparted --> Devices I can see my HDD /dev/sda (149.05Gb) and then it comes a list from /dev/sda100 (119 Gb) to /dev/sda225 (119Gb) so there are 125 "devices" what can I do to have
[17:58] <holstein> rokyronnie: hard?
[17:58] <rokyronnie> hard disk
[17:58] <holstein> after rebot my PC runns very ver HARD
[17:58] <holstein> ?
[17:59] <eiriksvin_> hello everyone
[17:59] <holstein> im just here for a second rokyronnie
[17:59] <rokyronnie> yeah, after the software did what it did, my PC had a reboot and after that I discovered that my PC started to work very very slow
[17:59] <holstein> but try and keep your posts short and to the point
[17:59] <holstein> its hard to visually wade through that statement
[18:00] <holstein> and tell what you are having issues with
[18:00] <holstein> like, 'my hard drive is like this, and i want it to be like that'
[18:00] <holstein> "help me help you" rokyronnie :)
[18:00] <rokyronnie> let me try to explain my problem again :D
[18:01] <rokyronnie> in a shorter way
[18:01] <rokyronnie> so
[18:01]  * holstein BBL
[18:01] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: continue
[18:02] <rokyronnie> ok
[18:02] <rokyronnie> so after I wanted to combine a partitions+a free space, this is the result
[18:02] <rokyronnie> let me do a screenshot, I think it's the best way
[18:03] <stlsaint> kk
[18:06] <bodhizazen> 'lo stlsaint
[18:06] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: go to this link and download the script, run it, it will present you with a RESULTS.txt file, paste that file into pastebin.org and paste the link in this channel
[18:06] <eiriksvin_> got a question, i downloaded the ubuntu-restricted stuff so i can use java and whatnot in Firefox, but everytime i play internet TV, or pandora.com everything freezes and i cant do anything, it still plays the music/TV but its froze
[18:06] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: get script here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[18:06] <stlsaint> whoa wered bodhi go??
[18:06] <stlsaint> eiriksvin_: flash issue?
[18:07] <eiriksvin> yeah i think so
[18:07] <eiriksvin> can i get something to clean it up
[18:07] <rokyronnie> it says command not found
[18:07] <stlsaint> huh?
[18:08] <rokyronnie> sudo: /home/ubuntu/Downloads/boot_info_script055.sh: command not found
[18:08] <eiriksvin> i think its that Ubuntu-restricted stuff that i installed
[18:08] <stlsaint> put bash infront of after sudo
[18:08] <stlsaint> sorry
[18:08] <eiriksvin> cus the flash is not acting right
[18:09] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: put bash after sudo
[18:09] <rokyronnie> yeah, now it works
[18:09] <eiriksvin> should i go ahaed and get that adobe flash package?
[18:10] <stlsaint> eiriksvin: sure
[18:10] <rokyronnie> but I think it will take a bit cause as I said, ... gparted it shows me from sda100 to sda225 devices
[18:11] <eiriksvin> it says i have it, but my flash is acting up on it
[18:11] <stlsaint> eiriksvin: are you using firefox4?
[18:11] <eiriksvin> 1 sec
[18:11] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: thats fine, the .txt file will tell me everything i need to know
[18:12] <eiriksvin> nope, its 3.6.16
[18:12] <rokyronnie> ok :), thanks a lot for helping me, I don't wanna lose 10Gb of photographies :(
[18:12] <stlsaint> maybe try upgrading to 4
[18:12] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: i will try my best to help ya ;)
[18:13] <eiriksvin> heh nevermind, doh... i just had to update!
[18:14] <eiriksvin> heh thanks for the help, it was right in front of me the whole time... just had to update
[18:14] <eiriksvin> geeeez
[18:15] <Oraiz> Hi all - I've recently upgraded (through the update manager) to 11.04, and now my PC (which is fairly old, mind you) now freezes after booting and popping up the notice it has connected to my wireless. The mouse still responds to movement, but nothing else works.
[18:16] <duanedesign> Oraiz: do you see the desktop?
[18:16] <Oraiz> Yep, as well as the new dock.
[18:16] <Oraiz> I think that's what it's called anyway - with the home icon, programs, mounted drives etc.
 restart, go to your login where you put in ur password and select Ubuntu Classic at the bottom for your session
[18:17] <Oraiz> I set my 10.10 to login automatically, that's the thing. :\
[18:17] <eiriksvin> fix what ever u need from there
[18:17] <eiriksvin> do it in recovery
[18:17] <stlsaint> eiriksvin: no prob
 try restarting into recovery mode
[18:19] <Oraiz1> Sorry eiriksvin - wireless kicked me.
[18:19] <eiriksvin> did that help?
[18:19] <eiriksvin> heh
[18:19] <Oraiz1> In recovery, sorry what do you mean by that? I'm on my laptop at the moment - Ubuntu is on my old desktop.
[18:19] <truepurple> Ok, I got couple weird issues
[18:19] <duanedesign> Oraiz: if your keyboard still works you can try and get to a console and run the updates
[18:20] <rokyronnie> still computing :D
[18:20] <Oraiz1> It's just the mouse, annoyingly.
[18:20] <truepurple> When I try to get on, it seems to default to not unity
[18:20] <truepurple> And I can't seem to choose unity
[18:21] <duanedesign> truepurple: your hardware might not be compatiable
[18:21] <truepurple> Also, I seem to have installed the proprietary drivers for my radeon card, but ATI control center isn't working
[18:21] <eiriksvin> truepurple> have u updated your graphics driver?
[18:21] <duanedesign> truepurple: their is a script you can run to check
[18:21] <truepurple> duanedesign: Check the driver?
[18:22] <eiriksvin> truepurple>  r u in classic, or did it bump u back a whole kernel?
[18:22] <duanedesign> truepurple: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[18:22] <truepurple> Well I choose regular mode, but it seems to do classic or something anyway
[18:23] <Oraiz1> eiriksvin - what did you mean by recovery. Is that done by creating a USB with Ubuntu on and booting from that?
[18:23] <duanedesign> truepurple: if you run that script it will check if your computer can run unity
[18:23] <truepurple> The weird thing is, when I enabled login, with the login screen, I see some new desktop background in the back, perhaps unity
[18:23] <truepurple> But when I log in with my only login option, I get this instead
 you got a startup disk made yet?
[18:23] <Oraiz1> It may just be because my hardware is so old on my desktop that things aren't compatible, but I assumed it would default to not use Unity if that were the case.
[18:24] <Oraiz1> I don't - I'll get one done. USB stick ok? I don't have any disks at the mo.
[18:24] <truepurple> duanedesign: put "/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test" as a terminal command?
 yeah, if u know how to do it
[18:25] <Oraiz1> Yeah I've done it before, but since wiped the drive.
[18:25] <duanedesign> truepurple: with the -p, so the Terminal command would be:     /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[18:25] <Oraiz1> I have pretty bad 'net here, so... back in a few. :p
[18:25] <truepurple> What does the -p switch do?
 can u just make another user?
[18:27] <truepurple> duanedesign: What does the -p switch do?
[18:27] <duanedesign> truepurple: it will not run without it
[18:27] <Oraiz1> I can't do anything eiriksven.
[18:27] <Oraiz1> I just boots then freezes.
 ah ok
[18:28] <truepurple> duanedesign: It said "Segmentation fault"
[18:28] <truepurple> And that is all it said, and it says it immediately
 yeah recovery is the best fix, u can change that auto login option, then change to classic at ur login when u restart
[18:29] <th^^> truepurple: any luck? :)
[18:29] <truepurple> th^^: Yes, and no,
[18:29] <Oraiz1> Ok great, I'll try that and return if I'm unsuccessful - thanks!
[18:30] <truepurple> th^^: It showed as installed, despite the failure message, but it didn't seem to work
[18:30] <minimalseeker> Hi
[18:30] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: still running?
[18:30] <rokyronnie> stlsaint: still computing.. is that rigt?
[18:30] <rokyronnie> yes :|
[18:30] <truepurple> th^^:  So I removed it, reinstalled it, it reinstalled the second time just fine, but catalyst won't run
[18:30] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: strange
[18:30] <rokyronnie> Identifying MBRs...
[18:30] <rokyronnie> Computing Partition Table of /dev/sda...
[18:30] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: lol, thats not a good sign for what i was hoping for
[18:31] <th^^> truepurple: but it "works" otherwise?
[18:31] <truepurple> th^^: Also, it sends me to a classic screen. BTW, enabling login, I did that, but it didn't give me a choice between versions, during that screen I see what I think is unity, but when i log in with my name, it goes to classic
[18:32] <truepurple> th^^: So no, it doesn't work otherwise
[18:32] <th^^> :/
[18:33] <truepurple> th^^: duanedesign  said to run /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p And all it said was "Segmentation fault"
[18:33] <duanedesign> truepurple: are you using NVIDIA?
[18:33] <truepurple> duanedesign: No, a radeon 6850
[18:33] <rokyronnie> thats what is says in gparted on that partition : http://pastebin.com/BgVLtVdK
[18:34] <rokyronnie> I mean, a part of it, if you want, I'll write all of it cause I can't just copy it
[18:34] <duanedesign> truepurple: if you have not since you installed I would run the updates
[18:34] <th^^> there are no updates aside of firefox for 11.04 =)
[18:34] <truepurple> duanedesign: I did, all it did was update firefox
[18:34] <rokyronnie> the thing is that I can't run chckdsk cause when I try to boot from my XP cd it "freeze" or taking to long on "Starting WIndows" step
[18:34] <th^^> truepurple: i think most of those probs are because of update, it just "just work" like on 6870
[18:35] <th^^> truepurple: if you happen to have /home on separate partition so it's easy to reinstall, that would take like 15mins :)
[18:35] <truepurple> th^^: When I reinstalled the drivers the second time, it reinstalled much quicker, how do I purge the files?
[18:35] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: have you tried fsck?
[18:36] <truepurple> th^^:  Because I think its just reinstalling the same driver in the same way, maybe i need a fresh install
[18:36] <th^^> truepurple: yes, i meant fresh install
[18:36] <truepurple> th^^: No, I mean of the driver
[18:36] <truepurple> th^^: I don't have a live CD btw
[18:36] <rokyronnie> that's in terminal?
[18:36] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: well dont try it just yet
[18:37] <truepurple> How do I purge the current video driver?
[18:37] <rokyronnie> it still calculating, but I don't know how much it will take
[18:37] <duanedesign> truepurple: looks like your card uses the open source driver and not the catalyst driver
[18:37] <th^^> truepurple: toes regular gnome with effects work?
[18:38] <truepurple> th^^: I don't know, I haven't tried/don't know any 3d games
[18:38] <truepurple> How do I purge the video driver?
[18:38] <truepurple> I mean, not for linux
[18:39] <stlsaint> truepurple: for windows?
[18:39] <truepurple> yeah
[18:39] <stlsaint> dont think that would be a good idea
[18:39] <th^^> truepurple: i mean, selecting 'ubuntu classic' from login screen, with compiz effects
[18:39] <truepurple> What wouldn't be a good idea?
[18:39] <th^^> do you see dropshadows and stuff then?
[18:39] <stlsaint> unless you install another driver first then use "Device Manager" to switch drivers
[18:40] <truepurple> th^^: How do I start this compiz?
[18:40] <th^^> truepurple: choose 'ubuntu classic' in login screen :)
[18:40] <duanedesign> truepurple: is your card an HD card? is this a desktop or laptop
[18:40] <truepurple> stlsaint: You mean purging the driver wouldn't be a good idea? Don't worry, some soft driver takes over or something
[18:41] <truepurple> duanedesign: desktop, a radeon HD 6850
[18:41] <rokyronnie> stlsaint: wanna see a fdisk -l result?
[18:41] <stlsaint> truepurple: you mean a generic driver? guess that will work
[18:41] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: lol, not if you have 225 devices listed
[18:41] <truepurple> stlsaint: Well, for the longest time I didn't have a listed driver, yet could load to classic desktop
[18:42] <duanedesign> truepurple: ok so it does look like their is a catalyst driver for it
[18:42] <rokyronnie> stlsaint: http://pastebin.com/JRmKRh8r
[18:43] <truepurple> duanedesign: From additional drivers everything looks like it is in working order, but catalyst won't run, and neither will unity
[18:44] <truepurple> duanedesign: So how do I purge the current driver in additional drivers?
[18:44] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: LOL, ok tell me again what you did to get this?
[18:44] <truepurple> There is a command for it, but I forget exactly how it goes
[18:44] <truepurple> th^^: Are you able to open your catalyst center?
[18:45] <th^^> yes
[18:45] <rokyronnie> so I had that disk with a partition ~119Gb and rest of it were another NTFS partition with XP on it, I deleted that one, so there were free space, and I wanted to combine those 2, I mean the 119Gb part + ~30Gb free space
[18:45] <truepurple> th^^: How do I purge the current driver so I can try to reinstall again?
[18:45] <rokyronnie> so I did it with a software ( in WIndows, sorry I can't remember the name now ) it did something, after that it reboot my PC
[18:45] <duanedesign> truepurple: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:%20%20Need%20to%20fully%20remove%20-fglrx%20and%20reinstall%20-ati%20from%20scratch
[18:45] <th^^> unclick it in additional drivers :)
[18:46] <truepurple> th^^: I told you, it doesn't work
[18:46] <truepurple> th^^: It removes it, but readding it is too quick
[18:46] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: you tried editing a linux partition with widows Disk Management application?
[18:46] <th^^> it's probably fast only since it doesn't need to redownload it
[18:46] <truepurple> th^^: Like its using cache or something to quickly add it back
[18:46] <truepurple> th^^: Well perhaps I should try to redownload it
[18:47] <th^^> sorry, i don't know better than that, i just clicked the driver on in additional drivers :)
[18:47] <truepurple> Here is a more aggressive recipe which removes both -fglrx and -ati, and reinstalls the latter:
[18:48] <truepurple> What does it mean, reinstalls the latter, you mean the ati part? I thought they were the same thing
[18:48] <duanedesign> truepurple: you do not want the latter
[18:48] <duanedesign> you want fglrx
[18:48] <truepurple> What id the difference between "fglrx" and "ati"?
[18:48] <rokyronnie> oh no
[18:48] <truepurple> *is
[18:49] <th^^> later is the open one i guess
[18:49] <rokyronnie> stlsaint: there were those ntfs partitions
[18:49] <th^^> fglrx is the proprietary driver
[18:49] <rokyronnie> stlsaint : were 2 partitions, one 119Gb and the other one with my XP ( ~30Gb )
[18:50] <duanedesign> truepurple: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[18:50] <truepurple> "sudo: /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh: command not found"
[18:50] <duanedesign> truepurple: ati is the open source driver. It is less capable then the proprietary fglrx driver
[18:50] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: so you tried merging two ntfs partitions and when you rebooted you came out with this setup??
[18:50] <rokyronnie> stlsaint:so I installed XP on another HDD, after that removed the 30gb partition, and after that I wanted to combine those, 119+30
[18:51] <rokyronnie> yes
[18:51] <rokyronnie> I mean, after
[18:51] <th^^> truepurple: i think the quickiest fix would be to download 11.04 iso, and just do fresh install
[18:51] <truepurple> duanedesign: I wish people would stop linking me to that page, it falls outside of what is working
[18:52] <truepurple> th^^: Is there a way to move /home to another partition?
[18:52] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: alright, is that script still runnign
[18:52] <rokyronnie> stlsaint:reboot it worked very very slow, but I discovered that I can't open that partition , I can't remember exactly the error messeage, so.. I searched on internet, someone said that a fixmbr should help, I did it from XP boot CD
[18:53] <th^^> hum, not really 'move' but.. you need to create new partition i think
[18:53] <rokyronnie> stlsaint:and then I discovered is the same, so... came here in Ubuntu and discovered that "I have 125 devices"
[18:53] <rokyronnie> yes, still computing
[18:53] <truepurple> th^^: I know that, but if I can't move it...
[18:54] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: that script should not still running, strange, alright let it continue
[18:54] <minimalseeker> Hi I am trying to do a minimal install of natty from the alternate cd and I have some questions. a) During minimal install my ethernet connection is not recognized. My laptop has a JMicron MC250 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) Its driver is here -> jme-<IP_ADDRESS>.tbz2 at ftp://driver.jmicron.com.tw/Ethernet/Linux/ But I guess this driver is not in the minimal install/alternate install CD.
[18:55] <rokyronnie> I don't think it's still workin' I mean.. I can't hear that HDD working anymore
[18:55] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: is there a file in your /home titled RESULTS.txt ?
[18:55] <Froq> so if I want to move my /var to a different partition, do I have to say it mounts @ "/var"?
[18:55] <stlsaint> Froq: you will have to edit fstab to show where the new location is
[18:55] <rokyronnie> no
[18:56] <minimalseeker> b) If I ignore the ethernet problem, the base install progresses and goes through a "select and install software" stage and completes install. If it is a base install/command line install, why is it installing any other software?
[18:56] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: alright we will give it another ten minutes i guess and then start manually digging into the system
[18:56] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: i dont think you fully completed the process of merging those partitions
[18:56] <truepurple> th^^: Are you there?
[18:56] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: what did you try doing in gparted?
[18:57] <rokyronnie> just see what's up there
[18:57] <Froq> stlsaint: I am doing a fresh server install though.
[18:57] <rokyronnie> I didn't did anything
[18:57] <truepurple> I did the purge command, does that mean I need to restart?
[18:57] <minimalseeker> c) if I let it complete the install, the system reboots but the scree does not even turn on. I googled to get this solution: http://byedesigns.com/2011/04/01/ubuntu-10-10-blank-screen-after-install-solved/
[18:57] <duanedesign> truepurple: if you have been installing the driver from 'Additional Drivers', maybe try the driver from the ATI website it is a little newer
[18:57] <minimalseeker> But I am stumped after that.
[18:58] <truepurple> duanedesign: If you run a purge command, does that require a restart to finalize?
[18:58] <rokyronnie> stlsaint: sorry if my english is not grammatical right :D
[18:58] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: so you are at cli now?
[18:58] <minimalseeker> because changing quietsplash to nomodeset single brings up a root command line
[18:58] <rokyronnie> stlsaint: it stoped working, but I can't see any file
[18:58] <duanedesign> truepurple: truepurple no
[18:58] <duanedesign> oops
[18:58] <minimalseeker> stlsaint, yes
[18:59] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: it is there, check the desktop and user /home
[18:59] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: you new to linux?
[18:59] <minimalseeker> Unfortunately, yes. I am trying to learn...
[18:59] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: aye, so you are logged into your system via the cli?
[19:00] <rokyronnie> I can't find it, how it must be called?
[19:00] <truepurple> duanedesign: Will that purge command work just fine with the version from the Ati website as well?
[19:00] <Froq> cli = command line interface!
[19:00] <Froq> giving my 2 cents!
[19:00] <minimalseeker> yes, but its a generic root. as in not in the format of myname@mycomputer name. Just root@mycomputername
[19:01] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: run these commands in this order: (minus the quotes): "cd" "ls"
[19:01] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: well hence a minimal install
[19:01] <rokyronnie> ok
[19:01] <rokyronnie> and now?
[19:01] <truepurple> duanedesign: th^^: Will that purge command work just fine with removing the ATI direct download version driver as well?
[19:01] <stlsaint> you will need to add users etc
[19:01] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: do you still not see the file?
[19:02] <rokyronnie> I see just desktop dcuments and other directories
[19:02] <rokyronnie> but no file
[19:03] <minimalseeker> But I did add users when I did the base system install. after editing the grub  with the nomodeset single command I opted to "fall to root command with network support"
[19:03] <stlsaint> oh, well thats why you are at cli than
[19:03] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: strange again
[19:03] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: wait are you in linux or windows?
[19:04] <rokyronnie> linux of course
[19:04] <minimalseeker> ah - so what do I do not to get network support?
[19:04] <stlsaint> haha had me scared for a moment
[19:04] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: you DONT want network support?
[19:04] <minimalseeker> sorry what do I do NOW to get network support
[19:04] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: you may need to use locate command to find the file
[19:05] <rokyronnie> probably it would be great to do what Gparted says but...... how? how can I give it a chdsk if I can't boot from my XP cd
[19:05] <rokyronnie> how it is called?
[19:05] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: what does gparted say to do?
[19:05] <minimalseeker> (because the ethernet was not recognized in the first place)
[19:05] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: so how do you have internet right now?
[19:05] <rokyronnie> stlsaint:Failed to mount /dev/sda5 Input/Output error
[19:05] <rokyronnie> NTFS is inconsistent.Run chckdsk /f on WIndows then reboot it twice
[19:05] <truepurple> duanedesign: th^^: Will that purge command work just fine with removing the ATI direct download version driver as well?
[19:06] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: well you wont be able to use live file system check unless you are running btrfs so you will need to boot to a live cd if you are trying to check the entire drive
[19:06] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: or do you just want to do the sda5 partition?
[19:07] <minimalseeker> Okay - I am on another laptop of mine with winxp on it. I have a linux laptop that is stuck at root command after the alternate install command line install that I then rescued with the quietsplash > nomodeset change
[19:07] <minimalseeker> that linux laptop is hardwired to the router
[19:07] <rokyronnie> now all I want is to recover those HDD, I don't wanna lose a bit of it
[19:07] <minimalseeker> but the ethernet was not recognized.
[19:07] <rokyronnie> and then.. make it a one single partition
[19:08] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: you have two drives yes?
[19:08] <rokyronnie> yes
[19:08] <minimalseeker> because I think the jmicron ethernet is not included in the modules.
[19:08] <minimalseeker> modules in the alternate cd
[19:08] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: probably not but you should have gotten a generic driver
[19:09] <minimalseeker> if I did, why is the ethernet not being recognized?
[19:09] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: well your option is to boot to a livecd and run fsck on those two drives (linux livecd)
[19:09] <minimalseeker> there are no flashing lights where the ethernet jack is connected to the laptop port.
[19:09] <rokyronnie> windows live CD?
[19:09] <minimalseeker> though the router says the line is connected
[19:10] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: i suggest using the linux cd/usb as windows cannot see linux partitions properly
[19:10] <rokyronnie> well, now I am running 11.04 live CD
[19:10] <rokyronnie> that's where I am
[19:10] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: can you ping google from that laptop or have you confirmed that networking is not functioning?
[19:10] <Froq> rokyronnie: are you in cli?
[19:10] <rokyronnie> what's cli
[19:10] <rokyronnie> ?
[19:10] <Froq> rokyronnie: nvm
[19:10] <truepurple> duanedesign: th^^: Will that purge command work just fine with removing the ATI direct download version driver as well?
[19:10] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: oh cool, let me get ya a fsck link
[19:11] <rokyronnie> oh well :) ok
[19:11] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: HA
[19:11] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: i forgot
[19:11] <Froq> rokyronnie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_interface
[19:11] <minimalseeker> yes, I have confirmed that networking is not functioning because when I tried to get something via the apt-get command then it says nothing is found.
[19:12] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: where did you download that script to?? Check in there for the results file
[19:12] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: nothing is found?
[19:12] <rokyronnie> uh, I am there but is not there
[19:12] <stlsaint> minimalseeker: can you try the ping command for me just to verify
[19:12] <minimalseeker> this is what I am trying to do: http://minimal-desktop.blogspot.com/p/guide.html
[19:12] <minimalseeker> can you tell me the ping command?
[19:13] <Froq> minimalseeker: what does ifconfig tell you?
[19:13] <rokyronnie> stlsaint : can I run something like chkdsk from here?
[19:13] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: oh you checked in the downloads folder?
[19:13] <rokyronnie> yes
[19:13] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: one sec
[19:13] <duanedesign> truepurple: if the first command did not work just go to the next one
[19:14] <duanedesign> truepurple: actually if you look at the section above that one  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:%20Need%20to%20purge%20-fglrx
[19:16] <truepurple> What do you want me to look for?
[19:17] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: you able to boot to a windows cd?
[19:17] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: cause a chkdsk would be better than a fsck
[19:17] <truepurple> duanedesign: I don't see anything that refers to the type you download from ATI, and want to know I have a means to remove, before I install
[19:17] <bennipropper> someone help
[19:18] <stlsaint> bennipropper: ask a question
[19:18] <rokyronnie> no :(, I tried HirenCD, cause on that I have windowx xp live, but it won't work, it loads forever, and that happened to on xp boot cd
[19:18] <bennipropper> cool... ok... i installed the latest ubuntu, but there is no boot screen showing up when i start the pc... it goes strait to windows... Did I do something wrong???
[19:19] <Froq> bennipropper: you need to direct the computer to boot to the ubuntu GRUB
[19:19] <Froq> bennipropper: are they on the same partition
[19:19] <Froq> ?
[19:19] <stlsaint> Froq: wanna take this one :D
[19:19] <bennipropper> sounds simple, but I don't really kwno what that is
[19:19] <Froq> stlsaint:  I can try!!! :)
[19:19] <bennipropper> eh... no
[19:19] <bennipropper> i cleared another disk and installed it there
[19:19] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: that sucks
[19:20] <Froq> bennipropper: I mean same HDD
[19:20] <Froq>  sorry
[19:20] <rokyronnie> I know ;(
[19:20] <bennipropper> different hdd's
[19:20] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: well if you want you can run fsck but that would require ntfs.fsck which im sure is not installed, crap i needed that script
[19:21] <Froq> You can go into your BIOS and change the boot HDD to the one storing Ubuntu
[19:21] <rokyronnie> if I run that is says : fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[19:21] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: hey what is shown in the left pane where you see the directorys? How many drives are there
[19:21] <Froq> bennipropper: then also, the grub bootloader may be able to recognize the windows install natively, and if not we can work on that later.
[19:21] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: in the file browser i mean
[19:21] <bennipropper> wow that sounds simple...
[19:21] <Froq> bennipropper: so try that first
[19:21] <bennipropper> so just make the ubuntu disk primary
[19:21] <bennipropper> ?
[19:21] <rokyronnie> one about 5.0Gb and one 65 which is XP one
[19:21] <bennipropper> I'll try that
[19:22] <rokyronnie> the 5 is with 11.04
[19:22] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: so your other drive is not mounted or shown?
[19:22] <bennipropper> thanks... maybe I'll be back later when it fails :P
[19:22] <rokyronnie> nope
[19:22] <rokyronnie> just those 2
[19:22] <Froq> bennipropper: yeah
[19:23] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: at this stage i would suggest outside help, if i was in your situation i would take that drive and put it in a external case and take it to some professionals if you have data that you absolutely CANNOT lose
[19:24] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: we keep messing with the drive and its likely to ultimately crash on ya
[19:25] <rokyronnie> there are some apps in Hires CD, I'm gonna boot on it and see what I can do
[19:25] <rokyronnie> brb
[19:25] <stlsaint> rokyronnie: it is more than likely that recoverable but the cylinders are all scatterd and jacked right now
[19:25] <minimalseeker> sorry - I have to leave for an urgent call. thanks for trying to help out. I will be back and report on what ifconfig tells me. meanwhile, this is my post at ubuntuforums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1740834
[19:25] <minimalseeker> thanks
[19:30] <th^^> truepurple: semi-here :)
[19:30] <truepurple> th^^: Well, can you answer that question? i have been delaying reloading for that answer :p
[19:30] <th^^> what was the question? :P
[19:31] <th^^> too much text to scroll :P
[19:32] <th^^> no, you don't need to boot after purge
[19:33] <truepurple> Those purging instructions, will they work on the direct download from ATI website?
[19:33] <avinash> Hi guys , my wireless n/w is connected and it gets the IP .. but some how not able to browse sites .. it gets stuck in resolving proxy .. any help pls ..
[19:34] <th^^> i have no idea, sorry :)
[19:34] <th^^> never installed them 'by hand'
[19:35] <duanedesign> truepurple: the first command will
[19:36] <truepurple> For sure fully duanedesign?
[19:37] <duanedesign> yes
[19:37] <Froq> avinash: can you connect to your router @ the router IP?
[19:38] <duanedesign> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx <---you can get the most recent Catalyst/Fglrx here
[19:38] <duanedesign> truepurple: ^
[19:39] <truepurple> duanedesign: That is the file I am talking about, your sure those commands will fully purge that file, and not just the one from additional drivers?
[19:43] <duanedesign> truepurple: you should also be able to find instructions for removing it in the release notes
[19:43] <duanedesign> http://www2.ati.com/relnotes/Catalyst_11.3_Linux_Installer.pdf
[19:44] <avinash> Froq, yes .. my wireless router ip is <IP_ADDRESS> .. i can ping it and it responds ...
[19:44] <Froq> avinash: .... ok.  you running desktop or server?
[19:45] <avinash> i am on a laptop ..
[19:45] <avinash> its 10.04 ubuntu ..
[19:45] <avinash> sorry 10.10
[19:45] <Froq> what does ifconfig give you in the terminal?
[19:46] <avinash> Froq, it gives eth1(<IP_ADDRESS>) and lo (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[19:46] <Froq> you are connected via hardwire ethernet?
[19:46] <truepurple> duanedesign: but that might not result in a full removal
[19:46] <avinash> Froq, nope .. its via wireless WIFI ..
[19:47] <truepurple> sounds like you don't know anyway
[19:47] <Froq> o duh, you mentioned that... sorry
[19:48] <avinash> Froq, i tried with a wired n/w also .. but i saw same problem .. like i get ip for eth0 , but not able to connect to any site ..
[19:48] <Froq> kk
[19:48] <Froq> avinash: kk
[19:49] <Froq> avinash: you running firefox?
[19:49] <avinash> Froq, no i am running chrome ..
[19:49] <Froq> avinash: try firefox fast, and see what happens?  that is on there by default
[19:50] <avinash> Froq, tried  this ... tried google.com , gets stuck in *loading*
[19:51] <Froq> avinash: i got nothign for you bro.  sorry
[19:51] <avinash> Froq, hey no problem man .. thanks for spending time to check ...thanks buddy
[19:52] <Froq> avinash: sorry for being too newby still... hopefully in a short while after running all this I can get more advanced and give people the answer to yoru problem!
[19:53] <avinash> Froq, yeah sure .. ;-) ..
[19:53] <Froq> avinash: haha.  so you new to ubuntu?
[19:54] <avinash> Froq, not that much .. but this problem has been haunting me for a while ..
[19:54] <Froq> avinash: does your computer have N capabilities on the wirelss card?
[19:55] <avinash> Froq, N Capabilites .. how should i check ... any keyword in ifconfig ?
[19:57] <Froq> avinash: iw phy phy0 info
[19:59] <avinash> Froq, iwconfig phy tells me ( no such device ) and i don't have iw installed .. give me a min .. i ll install
[20:00] <Froq> kk
[20:33] <kristian_> hurm... should I get a NAS server or try to set up my old desktop as one? What will use less energy?
[20:42] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, got 2 cents on this?
[20:50] <Mjiig> 'lo everyone, anyone know how i can reorder items in the unity side bar. nothing i try does anything...
[22:19] <bennipropper> hi
[22:19] <bennipropper> does anyone know how to make my steelseries headset work on ubuntu 11.04???
[22:23] <coalwater> lol bet he was like screw this im leaving
[23:15] <UndiFineD> yes people are appearantly still playing counterstrike and hope steam is available with a new release


[03:06] <robru> oh lol
[03:06] <robru> that should have been in staging...
[09:21] <koza> sil2100, good morning
[09:22] <koza> sil2100, I need your [core dev] help in publishing https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1124
[09:22] <sil2100> koza: on it!
[09:22] <koza> sil2100, thank you!
[09:25] <sil2100> koza: approved, +1 for the patch description
[09:25] <sil2100> :)
[09:25] <jamesh> Is there any reason my mediascanner2 silo (ticket 1120) isn't moving to the "ready for testing" column?  I just noticed that the thumbnailer silo that was added yesterday got moved up ahead of it.
[09:26] <koza> sil2100, thanks
[10:05] <robru> jamesh: dunno about the trello board (ask jibel) but on the bileto side it's been marked ready for QA since the 17th.
[10:07] <jibel> jamesh, it is not targeted to OTA10. We are landing OTA10 bug fixes in priority
[10:07] <jibel> jamesh, please escalate the bug if it has to be fixed in this release
[10:10] <jamesh> jibel: I was just surprised, since I didn't think the thumbnailer silo had been explicitly targeted at OTA10 either
[10:12] <jamesh> If you targeted it to OTA10 because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/zhongshan/+bug/1554867, then it'd probably make sense to do the mediascanner silo too, since it is also mentioned there.
[10:13] <jibel> jamesh, silo 3? right, it's a critical issue for turbo
[10:16] <jibel> jamesh, all right, it is not obvious from the changelog or the bug attached. Please next time add a reference to the bug it fixes in the changelog.
[10:17] <jibel> or link the MP to the bug report
[10:20] <Saviq> robru, erm, sleep?
[11:24] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can someone help me understand why the automated signoff failed on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1122 ?
[11:25] <oSoMoN> according to https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-021/excuses.html there’s an issue with "old binaries", I’m guessing that’s because the silo originally contained a merge request that changed the packaging, but I removed it and rebuilt it since then
[11:25] <Mirv> oSoMoN: probably undeleted superseded sources in the PPA, looking
[11:25] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yep, that was it, changed packages between builds in which case that happens
[11:26] <Mirv> oSoMoN: fixed, now we just wait for the next update which maybe unfortunately only in 50mins or so
[11:30] <oSoMoN> Mirv, ok, thanks
[11:31] <oSoMoN> Mirv, so the automated signoff tests are going to be re-run, right? no need for me to change the lander signoff status again?
[11:31] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yes. switching the switch doesn't help anything.
[11:31] <Mirv> I think people tend to do that even though it actually changes nothing except possibly causes more delays.
[11:32] <Mirv> it doesn't restart them in any way
[11:47] <sil2100> abeato: hey! I just commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu/vivid/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/support-adb-lollipop/+merge/288917
[11:49] <abeato> sil2100, hi, actually I had some discussion with ogra_ and ondra about this, the conclusion was that we should actually remove that panic script from the ramdisk and create a special ramdisk for development purposes
[11:50] <abeato> sil2100, I just forgot about the MP, should have removed it :)
[11:50] <ogra_> abeato, well, actually i would turn the panic script into an "echo .... sleep ... reboot recovery" sequence
[11:51] <abeato> well, that
[11:51] <ogra_> i.e. ecvho the reason why we fail, show that for a few seconds and reboot into a safe state
[12:00] <sil2100> abeato: ;)
[12:15] <jgdx> jibel, silo 61 is in two columns on the board (ready and passed), and the ticket says "qa ready". I'm a bit confused—is there anything I need do?
[12:21] <jibel> jgdx, I'm confused too. Apparently the silo has been rebuilt before being published
[12:23] <jgdx> jibel, seems Saviq built it yesterday at 4, but it hasn't been built today according to https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-061-1-build/build
[12:24] <Saviq> jgdx, jibel, I'm afraid it was two concurrent landings of ubuntu-settings-components
[12:25] <Saviq> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1115 landed yesterday and we had to rebuild https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1143
[12:55] <jgdx> jibel, Saviq: should that impact its merge/publish though?
[12:55] <Saviq> jgdx, if another one landed before it - yes
[12:56] <jgdx> Saviq, just a rebuild or more things?
[12:56] <Saviq> jgdx, since that went onto trunk, so yours needed a rebuild, and that means QA needs to re-ack
[12:57] <jgdx> Saviq, but they acked today I thought
[12:57] <jgdx> post build
[12:57] <Saviq> jgdx, a rebuild + sanity check usually enough
[12:57] <Saviq> jgdx, no, look at audit logs
[12:57] <Saviq> 2016-03-21 17:46:31 +0100 (ci-train-bot) Needs rebuild due to new commits (ubuntu-settings-components/xenial).
[12:57] <Saviq> Successfully built (ubuntu-settings-components/vivid).
[12:57] <Saviq> 2016-03-21 17:45:42 +0100 (jibel) qa_signoff: Approved
[12:58] <Saviq> just a minute after it got QA Ack, it needed a rebuild
[12:58] <jgdx> Saviq, kay, that's unfortunate.
[13:00] <jgdx> jibel, so it needs a re-ack from QA. I wonder if you could sort out the cards, i.e. move [1] to "Needs qa signoff" or just delete it in favor of [2]? [1] https://trello.com/c/RZOqXJzt/2946-1143-ubuntu-landing-061-ubuntu-settings-components-jgdx-dednick [2] https://trello.com/c/ulzB1yx7/2954-1143-ubuntu-landing-061-ubuntu-settings-components-jgdx-dednick
[13:04] <jibel> jgdx, reapproved
[13:04] <jgdx> jibel, thx
[13:06] <Mirv> publishing, too
[14:36] <jgdx> Mirv, hey, did silo61 publishing fail or get stuck?
[14:37] <Mirv> jgdx: seems to have worked fine?
[14:38] <jgdx> Mirv, i thought it would automagically merge as well.
[14:41] <Mirv> jgdx: it never does before it migrates from proposed to release pocket in xenial
[14:42] <Mirv> jgdx: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-settings-components
[14:42] <jgdx> Mirv, okay, thanks.
[14:47] <sil2100> It should migrate soon, it's not seeded in any desktop images so it shouldn't be affected by the archive freeze
[14:58] <salem_> trainguards hi, can anyone trigger a rebuild of telepathy-ofono/xenial/arm64 on silo 42?
[14:59] <sil2100> salem_: on it
[14:59] <salem_> sil2100, thank you!
[15:34] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can someone help me understand https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-021/excuses.html ? those tests have been running for 3 hours just to end in a timeout (apparently), it’s getting incredibly complicated to just land a silo
[15:47] <sil2100> hmmm
[15:59] <oSoMoN> sil2100, seen my request for help earlier?
[15:59] <sil2100> Yeah, looking at it, can't see any reason for that
[16:00] <sil2100> Did you try running those locally somewhere against the new webbrowser-app?
[16:00] <sil2100> Not much I can do besides re-running sadly, don't have enough knowledge/permissions I suppose
[16:23] <oSoMoN> sil2100, ok, can only the failing architecture be re-run? I’ve tried to do that myself, but I get an error message: "You submitted an invalid request: Package unity8 does not have any test results"
[16:54] <salem_> fginther, hi, do you know how to add an external repository to sources.list on jenkins? Or do you know where to get this info? I tried to search for some sort of parameter to do that but no luck so far.
[17:33] <fginther> salem_, if you're using chroots or pbuilderjenkins, you can create a hook script to add the repository prior to the build stage
[17:34] <fginther> salem_, pbuildjenkins has some options for specifying a custom hook directory which can be used for one-offs
[17:42] <oSoMoN> trainguards: has the failing autopkgtests been re-triggered for silo 21? If not, can you please do that for me?
[17:43] <salem_> fginther, thank you!
[17:51] <robru> oSoMoN: I actually can't, sorry, you need somebody with upload rights on the package
[18:01] <john-mcaleely> jibel, so, i don't see how to mark this request 'ready for qa'
[18:01] <john-mcaleely> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1165
[18:01] <john-mcaleely> help welcome
[18:02] <john-mcaleely> robru, ^ it seems I'm expected to 'assign' this request to a silo next
[18:02] <jibel> john-mcaleely, done
[18:02] <john-mcaleely> jibel, robru thank you
[18:02] <jibel> john-mcaleely, no it's fine like this
[18:02] <john-mcaleely> cool
[18:04] <robru> john-mcaleely: assigning is for people who need a PPA to build debs in. I haven't had time to make a sensible workflow for you non-PPA weirdos.
[18:04] <john-mcaleely> robru, understood. long may I remain a weirdo :-)
[18:05] <robru> heh
[18:35] <oSoMoN> sil2100, can you help me re-trigger the tests for the regression at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-021/excuses.html ?
[18:53] <oSoMoN> nevermind, I reset the status of lander signoff, hopefully this will trigger a full autopkgtests run (and hopefully this one will pass)
[19:03] <oSoMoN> trainguards: I can’t figure out for the life of me how to get the automated signoff to re-run on silo 21, can you please help me? clicking the little re-run icon on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-021/excuses.html gets me an error message ("You submitted an invalid request: Package unity8 does not have any test results"), and resetting the lander signoff status in bileto doesn’t work either
[19:03] <oSoMoN> I’d really like to hand that silo off to QA
[19:20] <robru> oSoMoN: just ask jibel to add it to the queue I guess?
[19:21] <robru> oSoMoN: britney runs on average every hour. if you "reset the lander signoff" all you're doing is creating a race condition in which if britney runs at the exact second you disable your lander signoff, you delay the run by a further hour.
[19:22] <robru> oSoMoN: current britney run time is 45 minutes.
[19:42] <oSoMoN> jibel, can silo 21 be added to the "Need QA signoff queue" ? there’s one autopkgtest failure (see https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-021/excuses.html) but it seems unrelated, the tests timed out
[19:49] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yeah it's bug #1544917. I'd welcome a true "reset britney results" emergency button for that and other problem cases, forcing qa to manually override is not nice either.
[19:49] <Mirv> but asking qa nicely tends to work for ota critical silos.
[20:03] <Saviq> robru, hey, is there anything we can do about the train complaining about the shadow package being in xenial already https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1138 ?
[20:04] <robru> Saviq: what? "burned version number" means the version number in the silo already exists in xenial but the packages have different contents.
[20:05] <Saviq> robru, I'm afraid that's possible, mterry, I think, srccopied it instead of bincopy
[20:05] <Saviq> robru, anything can be done, other than going to a different silo and bincopying?
[20:05] <robru> Saviq: no, that test is explicitely a source check. they have different SOURCE contents.
[20:05] <Saviq> that'd be very weird...
[20:06] <robru> hmmm but the diff is empty
[20:07] <Saviq> robru, yeah, and it was copied from another silo is all
[20:07] <Saviq> except it's not there ¿?
[20:08] <robru> Saviq: not sure what to tell you: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/cupstream2distro/view/head:/cupstream2distro/archive.py#L217 either one of them is missing a .changes file or they have different changelog contents
[20:09] <Saviq> robru, and the PPA won't accept the same version with different contents, right?
[20:09] <Saviq> if you bincopied from archive
[20:09] <Saviq> and if you delete, train will complain ;P
[20:10] <robru> Saviq: why is it needed in the silo if it's already in xenial? just delete it?
[20:10] <Saviq> robru, it's not in vivid yet
[20:10] <Saviq> robru, the silo us dual, so I thought there had to be packages for both?
[20:10] <Saviq> robru, if it can be deleted and train will be happy, all the better
[20:11] <robru> Saviq: you're right that dual requires both. I guess I can copy the vivid one to vivid overlay ppa directly and then delete both
[20:12] <robru> Saviq: indeed the changes don't match: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/245141347/shadow_4.2-3.1ubuntu4_source.changes https://launchpadlibrarian.net/247561703/shadow_4.2-3.1ubuntu4_source.changes
[20:12] <Saviq> robru, ok, we'll do that when it's time for publishing, thanks
[20:12] <robru> I'm not sure why the diff is null
[20:13] <Saviq> robru, interesting, mterry must've rebuilt the source and uploaded to the silo
[20:13] <Saviq> it might just be that it compressed differently
[20:13] <robru> Saviq: I guess so, even the debian.tar has a different size
[20:13] <Saviq> yeah exactly
[20:14] <robru> Saviq: lol are you saying .xz is not a deterministic compression algorithm?
[20:14] <Saviq> robru, is any compression algorithm deterministic?
[20:14] <Saviq> I mean, on purpose?
[20:15] <robru> Saviq: I would hope that the lossless ones are!
[20:15] <Saviq> otoh it might just be as little as file props that results in the archive actually having different contents, but not when you compare the file contents
[20:15] <robru> Saviq: that sounds more realistic.
[20:15] <Saviq> robru, but why, you care about the uncompressed data to be the same, not about the compressed stream
[20:16] <Saviq> robru, I would be surprised if compressing the same file twice gives you the same compressed stream every time
[20:16] <Saviq> it's not a hashing algorithm :)
[20:16] <robru> Saviq: if you compress the same file twice and get two different results, how can you be sure they'll decompress into the same original? differences make sense in something lossy like a jpeg but not in something lossless like a tarball.
[20:17] <Saviq> robru, disagree, compression algos adapt to what they encounter, I don't think there's a guarantee they'll take the same path every time :)
[20:18] <Saviq> I mean, it might be the case by chance, but there's no point in guaranteeing that IMO
[20:18] <robru> Saviq: but if they produce different outputs based on identical inputs that means there's some sort of random nondeterministic element going on
[20:19] <Saviq> robru, and?
[20:19] <Saviq> as long as when you decompress again you get the same result, I see no problem
[20:19] <robru> Saviq: I just don't see how you can guarantee different compressed data sets decompressing to the same original. it's weird.
[20:20] <Saviq> robru, the compressed file has info on how it was compressed, so decomp follows that
[20:20] <robru> Saviq: I also don't understand why the algo wouldn't be deterministic. I mean, how did they write xz? "we'll compress at level 9 on tuesdays and level 8 on other days of the week"
[20:21] <robru> Saviq: I don't understand what factors other than the input data could impact the output
[20:21] <Saviq> robru, I don't know enough about those algos, but say it does things in parallel
[20:21] <Saviq> robru, it might depend on available resources
[20:22] <Saviq> I just mean I don't think they're designed to be deterministic "one way", because why
[20:22] <Saviq> easy to check ;)
[20:22] <dobey>  huh
[20:22] <robru> Saviq: ok anyway. we'll never know what mterry did there. it's a mystery for the ages... ;-)
[20:23] <Saviq> :)
[20:24] <robru> dobey: do you need help with a silo or are you just "huh"ing at this conversation?
[20:26] <robru> because I'm about to run for lunch...
[20:26] <dobey> robru: the conversation
[20:26] <robru> heh, ok
[20:26] <dobey> because we obviously need the hash to be equal every time, otherwise the build system will think the contents are different, and fail
[20:27] <robru> dobey: normally it is, but mterry did something funny when he copied it, so the hashes don't match despite the debdiff being empty.
[20:27] <dobey> weird
[20:27] <robru> dobey: like instead of using copy-package I guess he downloaded it and reuploaded it, recompressing in-between.
[20:28] <dobey> anyway, enjoy your lunch :)
[20:28] <robru> thanks, bbl