[02:40] <daftykins> still loads of issues with AMD Ryzen kit under Linuxso i hear
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <daftykins> heya :)
[09:02] <brobostigon> hi daftykins :)
[09:02] <daftykins> how's the morning looking?
[09:07] <brobostigon> cloudy.
[09:10] <daftykins> :D
[09:12] <brobostigon> :)
[09:13] <foobarry> RHEL updated their kernel. waiting for centos still :(
[09:14] <daftykins> there are no full fixes for both, so there won't be any feeling of comfort :)
[09:16] <foobarry> one is trivial to exploit with javascript
[09:17] <daftykins> https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/3/797
[09:25] <BobMottram[m]> Epic Linus
[09:26] <daftykins> goodness me, i'm trying out BBC Planet Earth II in 4K and HDR on my TV
[09:26] <daftykins> this really has to be seen to be believed
[09:32] <ali1234> i must say, the way that exploit works is really clever
[09:33] <ali1234> a timing attack on the cache
[10:15] <daftykins> funky
[10:37] <MooDoo> howdy all
[10:37] <daftykins> \o
[11:05] <diddledan> https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/27/lisa-source-code-free-release-2018/
[11:08] <zleap> i read about that
[11:11] <daftykins> oh dear lord these fools talking the CPU issue news and talking about how their games might slow down...
[11:12] <daftykins> oops s/talking/taking/
[11:12] <diddledan> haha
[11:12] <diddledan> gotta keep the fps up
[11:13] <daftykins> let's make that faceslaps per second for this one :>
[11:13] <diddledan> because more fps == more accurate shooting. who cares that the frames are displayed on a static 60Hz display (ignoring freesync because that's voodoo)
[11:14] <diddledan> with freesync, if you're maxxing your gfx at 15fps does that mean you get flicker that wouldn't be visible on a nonfreesync screen because the nonfreesync would still display 60Hz?
[11:16] <daftykins> freesync and g-sync techs are variable refresh, so it's only gonna draw when it's getting updates, i'm not sure what the minimum bound is though
[11:17] <diddledan> yeah so if it doesn't get an update then surely it'll go blank?
[11:17] <daftykins> might just repeat the prior
[11:17] <diddledan> voodoo
[11:18] <daftykins> you wouldn't be letting it go that low anyway though xD that'd be a lot of money to blow and be daft enough to run the settings so high it's at slideshow
[11:18] <diddledan> morons be morons
[11:18] <diddledan> new gpu and monitor == turn the settings to 11
[11:20] <daftykins> it is a shame you have to pick a card and go with that tech though, if Vesa had moved faster there would be a standard against DisplayPort that everyone could be benefitting from
[11:20] <diddledan> yeah, and freesync is incompatible with gsync and vicky verky
[11:21] <diddledan> afaict that is
[11:21] <diddledan> I assume the cable for a gsync monitor is called the g-string?
[11:22]  * daftykins groans
[11:23] <diddledan> it wasn't that good
[11:24] <daftykins> i haven't seen one of these fancy displays in action yet, tbh
[11:24] <diddledan> oh you weren't groaning from ecstasy?
[11:24] <daftykins> well, i was at a mates who had one and played a bit of Doom but wasn't convinced it was working
[11:25] <diddledan> doom .. on gsync .. 5000fps?!
[11:25] <diddledan> seriously overpowered
[11:25] <daftykins> i actually can't get it to run now i've got my PC on the new OLED TV, just insta-crashes
[11:25] <daftykins> haven't been bothered to put more time into resolving it
[11:26] <diddledan> weird
[11:39] <daftykins> think it could be a result of installing the game and its' deps prior to a new windows build going on, which could've ruined something in the order
[12:33] <foobarry> got the new centos kernel, just released
[12:38] <daftykins> hot off the press!
[14:49] <foobarry> ubuntu have really dropped a gonad on this one
[15:28] <m0nkey_> diddledan: I need your regex skillz
[15:41] <m0nkey_> Or any JS experts :)
[15:51] <diddledan> m0nkey_: huhu
[15:51] <m0nkey_> It's okay, got it figured out now.
[15:51] <diddledan> bah, I suck
[15:51] <m0nkey_> Too slow :)
[15:52] <diddledan> I was out
[15:54] <diddledan> preliminary cpu issue patch benchmarks vs pre-patch: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-415-x86pti&num=2
[15:56] <m0nkey_> ugh, I/O is going to suck


[00:23] <valorie> packaging experts - we are getting lots of requests for backporting Amarok 2.4 to Lucid
[00:23] <valorie> any possibility of that happening?
[00:23] <valorie> one of our guys tried to do it in a PPA, but wasn't successful
[00:31] <claydoh> valorie: I get the same requests
[00:32] <claydoh> Riddell: working on it, what part of the new language seletion stuff is new, need a graphic
[00:34] <claydoh> valorie: it shouldn't be hard, unless there is some library that can't be upgraded in lucid
[00:34] <valorie> that would be lovely
[00:34]  * claydoh was going to look at it, but is a poor packager
[00:35] <valorie> to whom should I send cookies?
[00:35] <claydoh> all of them :)
[00:36] <valorie> haha, that will have to wait until UDS
[00:41] <valorie> is there somewhere to add that request on the wiki, or something?
[00:42] <claydoh> idunno
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: now it's in System Settings: http://i.imgur.com/sOGdU.png
[00:42] <claydoh> there may be a reason for not having one,
[00:43] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: you da man thankyothankyouthankyou
[00:43] <claydoh> never had to change languages before
[00:43] <valorie> I'll write to the kub-dev list and ask there
[00:49] <claydoh> valorie: that sounds best, actually
[01:10] <valorie> email sent; off to dinner
[01:23] <nixternal> why are people still using lucid?
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> There's that whole LTS thing
[01:24] <nixternal> ahh, forgot about that
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[01:25] <nixternal> !info amarok lucid
[01:25] <ScottK> That an Intel sucks on Maverick.
[01:25] <ScottK> an/and
[01:25] <nixternal> no comments on that
[01:25] <nixternal> intel only sucks on *buntu, which i don't even care to dig into anymore
[01:26] <nixternal> actually, i think it is sucking on my debian box too
[02:04] <claydoh> my intel doesn't seem to suck, but I have not run anything but Natty on my new-used dell
[02:04] <claydoh> other than vista that is
[02:05] <claydoh> and that was only for a day or 2
[02:08] <claydoh> ScottK: is bug 634664 still valid for alpha3? and are there any other significant ones to mention?
[02:16] <ScottK> claydoh: Dunno.  It's been awhile since I did an install.
[02:30] <nixternal> claydoh: i just installed yesterday or the day before, and the updates installed. that was using a live cd latest release, and it grabbed like 13 updates iirc
[02:37] <claydoh> nixternal: well then i'll leave the known issues blank for now
[05:14] <nigelb> apachelogger / shadeslayer: ping
[05:15] <nigelb> if I were to start qt development on ubuntu, what pakcages do I need to install?
[05:52] <yofel> qt4-dev-tools and qtcreator would be a good start
[05:54] <nigelb> I just did an install of qtcreator
[05:54] <nigelb> I figure it will pull all the right deps
[05:55] <yofel> the dependency list looks fine, so that should give you everything yes
[05:55] <nigelb> w00t, thanks :)
[05:55] <nigelb> and here I am gettign converted to qt and kde step by step
[06:04] <nigelb> phew
[06:04] <nigelb> success
[08:36] <bambee> morning
[08:36] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[08:40] <bambee> :)
[08:42] <bambee> I guess that the following patch can be accepted but UNRELEASED ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/574871/
[08:43] <bambee> I mean it can be accepted as a simple bugfixes ? I don't think so.. but I prefer ask
[08:47] <c2tarun> bambee: I think dep3 tags with patches would be a good option :)
[08:48] <bambee> dep3 ?
[08:48] <c2tarun> !dep3
[08:49] <nigelb> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[08:49] <c2tarun> bambee: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[08:50] <bambee> thanks
[09:54] <Riddell> bambee: dep 3 doesn't apply there, that's for patches which live in the packaging
[09:54] <Riddell> bambee: what does this patch do?
[09:55] <bambee> basically: apply is clickable only when a "component" is clicked and not on item changed (it was confusing)
[09:56] <bambee> components are clickable ONLY when they are available and not installed yet
[09:56] <bambee> if the component is installable it's checked but disabled (in grey)
[09:56] <bambee> s/installable/installed/ (sorry)
[09:56] <kubotu> bambee meant: "if the component is installed it's checked but disabled (in grey)"
[09:58] <bambee> I also add tooltips on checkboxes  :  for disabled checkboxes there is a "not available component", for checked checkboxes there is a "already installed component" and for not checked checkbox there is a "not installed component"
[09:58] <bambee> that all
[09:58] <bambee> so basically: it's less confusing :)
[09:59] <bambee> Riddell: just try it, you will find a difference :)
[10:00] <bambee> (ps: all these details are summarised in the changelog)
[10:05] <bambee> also try the following thing:  click a language, then check a checkbox... then uncheck it... apply is reverted :)
[10:05] <Riddell> sorry busy with alpha 3 now
[10:05] <Riddell> will get to it sometime today
[10:06] <bambee> I understand
[11:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yo, what it your conf.kde.in tutorial going to cover?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the 45 minute talk? or the workshop?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> because there is a bit of a issue wrt the workshop
[11:07] <shadeslayer> they only have fedora systems there :(
[11:07] <nigelb> Riddell: when are you landing here again?
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: both
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can I recommend ec2? :)
[11:08] <Riddell> nigelb: monday night
[11:08] <nigelb> woot
[11:08] <Riddell> but I've no idea what happens then
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i could make them ssh into my machine, much faster that way
[11:08] <nigelb> ok, I should plan to get back to bangalore soonish then
[11:09] <shadeslayer> everything is already set up here
[11:09] <nigelb> shadeslayer: are we all meeting for dinner some day?
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why not just set up an ec2 machine for each person?
[11:09] <shadeslayer> nigelb: sure
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: works for me
[11:09] <shadeslayer> also
[11:09] <shadeslayer> this gives me a idea
[11:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: let's write neonbuild
[11:10] <nigelb> use screen and let everyone see what you're doing? ;)
[11:10] <shadeslayer> nigelb: what's the fun in that :P
[11:10] <nigelb> haha
[11:10] <shadeslayer> people don't learn if they don't make mistakes
[11:11] <nigelb> I may attend only the workshops
[11:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we can work out a script to set up machines given people's launchpad id
[11:11] <Riddell> nigelb: what should I do a workshop on?
[11:12] <nigelb> Riddell: ooh.  Getting started with QT? Or something to do with packaging?
[11:12] <Riddell> I'm down to do a getting started with PyKDE one, but there are two other PyQt workshops
[11:12] <Riddell> but I think packaging is being covered by shadeslayer no?
[11:12] <nigelb> how about a c++ one?
[11:12] <nigelb> qt with c++ that is
[11:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: packaging nightly builds yes
[11:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how much does that cover normal packaging?
[11:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no script is required, just install the PPA
[11:13] <nigelb> a debian packaging session for your app would go a long way
[11:14] <Riddell> so I could cover writing a simple pyKDE app and getting it packaged and into kubuntu?
[11:14] <nigelb> \o/ WIN
[11:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: or does that overlap with you too much?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well ..... it covers some debian files, the most important ones, you could do something like a advanced packaging session
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nah ... should be fine
[11:16] <shadeslayer> i'd attend it ... i've never handled a python package
[11:16] <nigelb> hehe
[11:16] <nigelb> shadeslayer: you still don't know where your staying right?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah :(
[11:16] <shadeslayer> pradeepto sent me a survey thingy
[11:17] <shadeslayer> but no news on accomodation yet
[11:17] <Riddell> he told me something
[11:17] <Riddell> hmm, lost it now
[11:17] <Riddell> some hotel a bus ride away from the place
[11:18] <Riddell> I hope pradeepto gets back to me today, I'm going to England tomorrow and may not have internet access until I arrive in India
[11:18] <nigelb> I have quite a ride to the place :|
[11:19] <shadeslayer> ouch
[11:19] <nigelb> Probably an hour to get there.  At least.
[11:19] <nigelb> and don't even talk to me about getting back, that'd be far worse
[11:20] <Riddell> ug commuting, I'm so glad I don't live in a big city
[11:20] <shadeslayer> hhaha
[11:20] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah i think me and sidharth will book a taxi when we go back
[11:22] <nigelb> shadeslayer: please do, its worth it
[11:22] <nigelb> Also of note: autos are not allowed inside the airport.
[11:24] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[11:24] <Riddell> "autos"?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you should totaly ride one
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 3 wheeler vehicles
[11:24] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google indian autos
[11:24] <kubotu> Results for indian autos: 1. Auto rickshaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_rickshaw | 2. Indian Autos Blog | Indian Automobile Blog | Auto News India | Car ...: http://indianautosblog.com/ | 3. Another Tata Nano bursts into flames! | Indian Autos blog: http://indianautosblog.com/2010/03/another-tata-nano-bursts-into-flames
[11:25] <Riddell> I used to be a rickshaw driver before my Kubuntu days, back then we had to paddle of course, none of this motor stuff
[11:25] <Riddell> peddle
[11:25] <shadeslayer> O_O
[11:26] <shadeslayer> well .. there are tonga's for that
[11:26] <shadeslayer> more popular in bengal tho
[11:26] <nigelb> yeah, none of that in Bangalore
[11:26]  * shadeslayer checks the weather in bengaluru
[11:27] <nigelb> its hot :|
[11:27] <shadeslayer> 31 oC
[11:27] <shadeslayer> :O
[11:27] <shadeslayer> it's 11 oC here
[11:27] <shadeslayer> nigelb: humid?
[11:27] <shadeslayer> .. thank god it's not humid
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Humidity: 7%
[11:28] <nigelb> shadeslayer: for me its dry, coming from north ymmy
[11:28] <nigelb> Right now, I'm in Kerala, 100% humidiy :|
[11:28] <nigelb> s/humidiy/humidity
[11:28] <shadeslayer> whoa
[11:28] <shadeslayer> nigelb: it's 88 % here
[11:28] <nigelb> but its cold
[11:28] <shadeslayer> eyah
[11:28] <nigelb> its hot and humid for me
[11:28] <Riddell> I should pack light clothes and sun cream I think
[11:28] <shadeslayer> *yeah
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[11:29] <nigelb> err, night times can be colder in Bangalore btw
[11:29] <shadeslayer> i see ... 16oC as a low
[11:29] <nigelb> lows are 14 to 18
[11:29] <Riddell> BBC says night is 16°C  that's still t-shirt and shorts weather
[11:30] <tazz> hmm
[11:30] <nigelb> oh, well
[11:30] <shadeslayer> and right now i'm in jeans and a shirt in 11 oC
[11:32] <tazz> Riddell, pack light.
[11:32] <tazz> Riddell, first visit to india ?
[11:32] <Riddell> tazz: yes
[11:33] <tazz> Riddell, stock up on some russel peters videos for the plain ride... Seriously. You'll thank me when you land in India.
[11:33] <Riddell> who?
[11:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: around?
[11:34] <tazz> russell peters*sorry...
[11:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:34] <Riddell> tazz: who?
[11:34] <tazz> Riddell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI this guy.
[11:34] <shadeslayer> tazz++
[11:34] <nigelb> haha
[11:35] <shadeslayer> just for suggesting Russell peters
[11:35] <tazz> thats very much what india is like really...
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:36] <tazz> nigelb, erm... wrong channel ? Some places its actually considered spamming :p
[11:36] <Riddell> American standup?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and prepare to be fleeced :P
[11:36] <shadeslayer> and prepare to bargain like hell
[11:36] <nigelb> tazz: nah, right channel ;)
[11:37] <tazz> Riddell, canadian Standup to be knitpicking :p
[11:37] <tazz> s/knitpicking/nitpicking/
[11:37] <kubotu> tazz meant: "Riddell, canadian Standup to be nitpicking :p"
[11:38] <Riddell> I'm going to Birmingham tomorrow, so I'll be able to compare who does a better Chicken Tikka Masala, English or Indians :)
[11:38] <jussi> Hrm, is it still a bug that Im getting no redrawing sometimes on intel (screen artifacts)
[11:38] <jussi> ?
[11:39] <shadeslayer> jussi: try raster
[11:39] <shadeslayer> maybe that helps
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ( altho it probably won't )
[11:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we would want amarok 2.4 to go into kubuntu updates right?
[11:39] <shadeslayer> since everyone is using a LTS release
[11:39] <shadeslayer> valorie: ^^
[11:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, backports
[11:40] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[11:41] <Riddell> lucid-backports if possible
[11:41] <c2tarun> While installing build-dependencies for kdenetwork on maverick I got E: Broked packages. Why so?
[11:41] <shadeslayer> well .... i'll try for lucid backports first then
[11:41] <shadeslayer> backporting from natty
[11:42] <c2tarun> here is the complete log while installing the build-dep for kdenetwork http://paste.kde.org/6283/
[11:43] <Riddell> c2tarun: check if  sudo apt-get -f install   is happy
[11:44] <c2tarun> nope
[11:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: not working :(
[11:45] <Riddell> c2tarun: what's it saying?
[11:45] <c2tarun> Riddell: same error check this error log http://paste.kde.org/6283/
[11:46] <Riddell> that's not   sudo apt-get -f install
[11:46] <c2tarun> Riddell: error was same so I refered to that log, http://paste.kde.org/6284/ here is the log for -f
[11:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: how exactly do I "try raster"?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: one sec :)
[11:48] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, run just "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KCM+Qt+Graphics+System?content=129817
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger made a nice app
[11:49] <c2tarun> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/6285/
[11:50] <Riddell> c2tarun: apt-cache policy libkio5
[11:50] <shadeslayer> O_O http://paste.kde.org/6286
[11:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/6287/
[11:53] <shadeslayer> ah better now
[11:53]  * shadeslayer removed the PPA
[11:53] <jussi> shadeslayer: do you know if he debianised it at all?
[11:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: nope .. you'll have to compile it
[11:53] <jussi> :(
[11:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: "500 https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages"  notice anything wrong there?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> there are instructions in there :D
[11:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: it's fairly simple to compile it
[11:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: Id rather not be compiling stuff on the work lappy, thats all
[11:54] <c2tarun> Riddell: ahh... that username and password is missing :( sorry
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ah ..
[11:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: ok lemme see if i can make a deb
[11:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: more that you're installing natty packages on maverick
[11:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: 64 bit please :)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> oh goody
[11:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: and thank you :)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: this just became easier :D
[11:56] <shadeslayer> sure no problem
[11:56] <shadeslayer> jussi: is it a particular app or the whole desktop btw?
[11:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: whole desktop
[11:57] <shadeslayer> because you can launch plasma with : plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster ....
[11:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: ^^ try : kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster
[11:57] <shadeslayer> oh lookie
[11:57] <shadeslayer> amarok is compiling
[11:58] <c2tarun> Riddell: fixed it :) and very sorry for such silly mistake :(
[11:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: it seemed to restart plasma but gave http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574936/
[11:59] <jussi> mind, everything seems much faster now
[11:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: did plasma startup?
[11:59] <jussi> and desktop effects appear to actually work
[11:59] <jussi> yes
[11:59] <shadeslayer> that's all we want :P
[11:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: artifacts?
[12:00] <jussi> I havent seen any artifacts since the plasma restart and speed is better
[12:00] <shadeslayer> yeah raster has that effect :P
[12:00] <shadeslayer> jussi: now imagine this one *every* kde app
[12:00] <shadeslayer> this is just plasma ... you can use it with every app :)
[12:01] <jussi> shadeslayer: heh
[12:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: do you have lucid?
[12:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: no
[12:02] <shadeslayer> mav?
[12:02] <jussi> yes
[12:02] <shadeslayer> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kcm-qt-graphicssystem/ <<
[12:02] <shadeslayer> i see some binaries there
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/725959 blasts every Qt app on my natty netbook sky high
[12:03] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[12:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem
[12:03] <shadeslayer> seem's it's debianized
[12:04] <shadeslayer> so anyone have some experience with qt qml designer
[12:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: the n900 FTBFS is from our uploads actually
[12:04] <apachelogger> or at least mine ^^
[12:04]  * apachelogger thought we had ABI checks turned out, turns out we did not
[12:05] <ScottK> Please be fixing then.
[12:05] <apachelogger> I do not have my keys on this machine...
[12:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you have time, you just need to copy the abi stuff in debian.n900 for .2 and .3
[12:05] <apachelogger> as we did not change the ABI anyway
[12:06] <ScottK> OK.
[12:06] <ScottK> You need to fix pkg-kde-tools anyway.
[12:07] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:07] <apachelogger> probably depending on gcc-4.4 and conflicting gcc-4.5 should do the trick there
[12:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: we have a request for backporting amarok 2.4 to lucid
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i'm working on it, but i'd like to hear your thought's on it
[12:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too.
[12:09] <apachelogger> ah
[12:09] <shadeslayer> you mean backport to maverick backports first?
[12:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It can be done at the same time.
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ( amarok 2.4 is already in the ppa )
[12:10] <shadeslayer> for maverick i mean ^^
[12:10] <ScottK> OK.
[12:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: seems the clue with kernel packages is to only n.m increment the revision when doing non-abi changes
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ok i'll opena bug for that
[12:10] <apachelogger> from looking at linux that I gather
[12:10] <ScottK> I see.
[12:10] <steveire> Is something wrong here: http://dpaste.com/468584/
[12:13] <ScottK> steveire: You should install updates first.  You're missing the libc6 from lucid-updates.  It's not broken as is, your just missing the latest update.
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm packaging the new Qt now wi
[12:17] <Riddell> th the fix for that
[12:17] <jussi> mrgh
[12:18] <steveire> ScottK: Thanks.
[12:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: I think we broked it :D http://imgur.com/qvAEP
[12:18] <ScottK> steveire: You're welcome.
[12:19] <shadeslayer> lolz
[12:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah that can happen
[12:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: probably because not everything is using raster
[12:19] <c2tarun> Riddell: hey I saw on ppa page a report that kdeutils failed to build due to unmet dependencies, I build that package yesterday on maverick machine. (there I may have got dependencies by that private ppa) If I was able to build succesfully due to this fact than why are these pacakges from ppa are not in archive?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> or is this after installing KCM?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> s/KCM/the KCM Module
[12:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: you use chromium ... i'm disappointed :(
[12:21] <nigelb> darn, you shoulda used lynx ;)
[12:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: find me a browser that does what I want it to do, as quick and cleanly as chromium and Ill switch
[12:21] <shadeslayer> module "QtQuick" is not installed
[12:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: rekonq? :P
[12:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: this is after installing the deb you linked to.
[12:21] <shadeslayer> or firefox
[12:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: uninstall that deb
[12:21] <shadeslayer> and install the one from the archives
[12:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: err? archives? which is (packagename?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem
[12:25] <jussi> thanks
[12:26] <shadeslayer> !find googlemaps.qml
[12:26] <shadeslayer> aw
[12:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: i think that's because kdebase-workspace was not up to date in the archive
[12:29] <Riddell> it can probably be retried now
[12:30] <shadeslayer> btw who made that rtorrent UI at UDS?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> i don't remember
[12:33] <steveire> I started downloading the natty alpha from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-2/ and it's coming in at 49kbps. Am I just on a slow mirror?
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ryan from ars technica
[12:45] <shadeslayer> alrighty :)
[12:45] <Riddell> steveire: i think we're all busy rsyncing alpha 3 candidates which might be slowing the server
[12:46] <steveire> Ah
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea's what his irc nick is?
[12:46] <shadeslayer> dude use zsync
[12:46] <shadeslayer> zsync++
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no.  markey knows
[12:47] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the difference?
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: zsync downloads only the diff
[12:47] <shadeslayer> instead of the whole file
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ( dunno how rsync does it )
[12:47] <al> and what's the difference to rsync?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> al: rsync also downloads the diff?
[12:48] <al> yes, but with less overhead
[12:48] <shadeslayer> oh .. i thought zsync used lesser overhead
[12:49] <al> well, i'm not entirely sure
[12:50] <al> but since the web site states "zsync provides transfers that are nearly as efficient as rsync -z", i guess it's correct
[12:50] <c2tarun> Riddell: is this version name correct for kdenetwork 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> well i just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[12:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[12:52] <Guest39611> shadeslayer: I broke it (tried opengl), now cant log in - is there some way to revert it from the cli?
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Guest39611: jussi ?
[12:52] <Guest39611> shadeslayer: oh. yes
[12:52] <Guest39611> sorry
[12:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:53] <shadeslayer> looking
[12:53] <jussi01> Ive tried the failsafe login
[12:53] <Guest24446> I guess its somewhere in a rc file?
[12:53] <Guest24446> bah
[12:55] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:55] <shadeslayer> it's probably in a file
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !find qt-graphicssystem.sh
[12:56] <shadeslayer> :/
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:00] <shadeslayer> jussi01: echo export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native% &> .kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh
[13:00] <shadeslayer> or change raster to native in that file
[13:03] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: I win :)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do i put amarok for lucid in the ninja's ppa or the staging ppa?
[13:04] <jussi> It was letting me login, but noth showing anything but window fromes
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:04] <shadeslayer> LD
[13:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:04] <jussi> so I "guessed" where things were
[13:04] <shadeslayer> jussi01: that can happen sometimes
[13:04] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:04] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah so raster isn't still finished
[13:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: staging, nothing secret there
[13:04] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:04] <Riddell> make sure staging is empty first
[13:05] <shadeslayer> yeah doing that
[13:06] <Riddell> ** new alpha 3 candidate live CDs for testing
[13:07] <shadeslayer> amarok uploaded to staging
[13:08] <shadeslayer> time to tell people
[13:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: neonbuild?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: neon + pdebuild
[13:20] <shadeslayer> sets up a pbuilder for building packages for neon
[13:21] <yofel> hm - that's probably doable
[13:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:21] <yofel> I'll put looking at that on my todo list
[13:21] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[13:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 728447
[13:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: were people not wanting lucid?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs to be backported to maverick first
 shadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too.
[13:57] <c2tarun> Riddell: can you please take a look at this debdiff http://paste.kde.org/6296/
[14:00] <Riddell> c2tarun: looks fine
[14:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, then I'll upload it, and one more question, on ppa page I saw a message that kdeutils failed to build on maverick, its the same which I build yesterday. why so?
[14:01] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574970/  <--- someone has the same crash ? on logout sometimes it crashes randomly
[14:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: it says due to unmet dependencies.
[14:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's waiting on kdebase-workspace, is kdebase-workspace compiled for maverick?
[14:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: older version is in maverick, may be kdeutils require a later version
[14:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: I think shadeslayer compiled it for mav
[14:06] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> what happened?
[14:06] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages  says kdebase-workspace is in maverick
[14:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: so go to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2296247 and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2296248 and click retry
[14:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: you do realize you can just add a lucid-backports task to that backport request? (IIRC it's fine to backport it to both)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> i can? O_O
[14:11]  * shadeslayer does
[14:11] <yofel> also affects project -> lucid-backports
[14:11] <shadeslayer> kewl
[14:23] <bambee> 1 871 kB/s :D
[14:24]  * bambee loves university network
[14:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Don't need to do Maverick first.  Can be done together.
[14:24] <ScottK> (and as yofel says)
[14:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yep marked as such :)
[14:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: See the bug.
[14:28] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:28] <debfx> ScottK: we don't need -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb anymore, right?
[14:28] <ScottK> debfx: Shouldn't.
[14:29] <Riddell> bambee: CD testing?
[14:29] <ScottK> Although with the current state of using gcc4.4 on Qt I'm not 100% sure.
[14:29] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^
[14:29] <bambee> Riddell: sure :)
[14:30] <debfx> I don't think it matters how qt is built
[14:31]  * debfx drops all the crazy hacks from the akonadi package
[14:31] <Riddell> I'm away tomorrow, who wants to handle the 4.6.1 release?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: done
[14:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So you need to backport libindicate-qt also?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> no .. builds fine without the version
[14:36] <shadeslayer> i mean .. lucid and maverick have that version :)
[14:37] <ScottK> libindicate-qt-dev (>= <IP_ADDRESS>)
[14:37] <ScottK> libindicate-qt-dev | 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 |      maverick | amd64, i386
[14:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ Nope.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> huh .. weird
[14:37] <shadeslayer> how did it build then
[14:37] <ScottK> You've got the newer one in the PPA, right?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:38] <shadeslayer> uh
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i'm wondering how it built for lucid
[14:38] <Riddell> c2tarun: will you retry those builds?
[14:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I don't think libindicate-qt0 and libindicate-qt1 are co-installable.
[14:39] <c2tarun> Riddell: i retried them, let me check the status
[14:40] <yofel> ScottK: libindicate-qt-dev is 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 for lucid and maverick here
[14:40] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:40] <yofel> rmadison says the same
[14:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer made his patch backwards.
[14:40] <c2tarun> Riddell: what is actinium virtual?
[14:41] <yofel> c2tarun: a build machine on launchpad (running as a virtual machine)
[14:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Dropping the version requirement is fine.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ok ... looks like the version was required just for a rebuild
[14:42] <yofel> c2tarun: see https://launchpad.net/builders/
[14:42] <shadeslayer> i do so hate debdiff
[14:43] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: why?
[14:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: a later version of libkonq5-dev is required, maverick has older version
[14:45] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: try debdiff'ing a package with a new release and you'll know why :P
[14:47] <yofel> c2tarun: you need to backport kdebase first
[14:47] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: which package? (I mean) binary or source?
[14:47] <c2tarun> yofel: kdebase?
[14:47] <yofel> source kdebase
[14:47] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: source
[14:48] <c2tarun> yofel: but the error is for libkonq5-dev
[14:48] <yofel> c2tarun: libkonq5-dev is binary for source kdebase
[14:48] <yofel> c2tarun: see https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1532744/+listing-archive-extra
[14:49] <c2tarun> yofel: kdebase and kdebase-workspace are different?
[14:49] <yofel> c2tarun: yes
[14:49] <yofel> the naming is a bit confusing, but it's the apps directory from kdebase, workspace and runtime other other 2
[14:50] <yofel> s/other/are the/
[14:50] <kubotu> yofel meant: "the naming is a bit confusing, but it's the apps directory from kdebase, workspace and runtime are the other 2"
[14:50] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm... how to backport?
[14:51] <yofel> same as for the others, I can take a look at it
[14:51] <c2tarun> yofel: sure :)
[14:52] <c2tarun> yofel: I am just confirming, backporting means I have to build the natty one on maverick machine and upload it to ppa?
[14:52] <yofel> yep
[14:52] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, so are you taking kdebase?
[14:52] <yofel> yes
[14:53] <c2tarun> yofel: thanks :)
[15:18] <yofel> Riddell: are those files really not meant to be installed? http://paste.kde.org/6302 (kdebase) the libkdeinit and manpages are ok, but the rest?
[15:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Looks good.  I'll take care of it from here.
[15:19] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[15:19] <Riddell> yofel: they're all from konq-plugins which shouldn't be in kdebase
[15:19] <bambee> Riddell: done, works fine (still with a virtual machine)
[15:19] <yofel> ah ok
[15:20] <Riddell> yofel: new kdebase tar
[15:20] <Riddell> d032fb52e5fdf2eb0b3ab37a7a06eacf  kdebase-4.6.1.tar.bz2
[15:20] <Riddell> grab that from ktown, call it 4.6.1a
[15:20] <Riddell> upload to natty and maverick
[15:20] <Riddell> thanks bambee
[15:20] <bambee> you're welcome
[15:21] <yofel> Riddell: I'll to that then
[15:24] <yofel> Riddell: rebuild kdenetwork too?
[15:29] <Riddell> yofel: yes please
[15:29] <Riddell> kdeedu as well
[15:31] <yofel> what was wrong with edu? (or did I loose a mail?)
[15:31] <Riddell> yofel: kalgebra linking issue, we have a patch which can be removed
[15:32] <yofel> oh that one, ok
[15:32] <Riddell> indians: what sort of power sockets do you have?
[15:33] <nigelb> Riddell: round
[15:33] <nigelb> let me find a picture
[15:33] <nigelb> or take one
[15:33] <nigelb> Riddell: 220V vtw
[15:34] <nigelb> s/vtw/btw/
[15:34] <kubotu> nigelb meant: "Riddell: 220V btw"
[15:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer and valorie: amarok building now in lucid-backports.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> \o/
[15:36] <nigelb> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/power.jpg
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i have some converters lying around
[15:36] <shadeslayer> want me to bring them along?
[15:37] <yofel> ok, kdebase looks right now, uploading
[15:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: kk
[15:39]  * apachelogger got a new device to play with :D
[15:39] <apachelogger> earlier than expected even
[15:40] <nigelb> apachelogger: chrome notebook? :p
[15:40] <apachelogger> what would I want that for?
[15:40] <apachelogger> though I must say our netbook version needs some UX improvements and serious advertisment
[15:44] <apachelogger> nigelb: see facebook
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ooh
[15:45] <nigelb> apachelogger: ooh la la!
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks phat
[15:46] <apachelogger> well
[15:46] <apachelogger> it is for the movies
[15:46] <shadeslayer> can you make calls? :P)
[15:47] <apachelogger> no
[15:47] <apachelogger> though it has a mic
[15:47] <apachelogger> and it has speakers
[15:47] <apachelogger> ...
[15:47] <apachelogger> just needs a phone app ids say
[15:47] <yofel> why does a phone today need to make calls? you just get an internet flat and some VoIP service
[15:49] <apachelogger> fist things first, googlé apps
[15:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you already do the kernel?
[15:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not yet.
[15:49] <apachelogger> ok
[15:49]  * apachelogger is just having tea and will jump at it afterwards
[15:49] <ScottK> Was busy fixing backports since shadeslayer can't figure out debdiff.
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good job
[15:53] <c2tarun> how can I find packages in kubuntu-ninja ppa that failed to build?
[15:53] <yofel> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages
[15:54] <yofel> c2tarun: you can click on the architectures that failed
[15:57]  * c2tarun wow... seems that only packages uploaded by me fails ;)
[15:58] <yofel> c2tarun: only currently :P
[15:59] <c2tarun> yofel: yup :) could you please ping me when kdebase is included?
[15:59] <yofel> sure, probalby ~20mins
[16:00] <c2tarun> yofel: thanks :)
[16:00] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:00] <debfx> apachelogger: is there a particular reason why we have an apparmor profile for mysqld-akonadi?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> oh lp has a url shortning service O_O
[16:01] <apachelogger> debfx: sure, because it is a fully qualified mysql and thus could be use for all sorts of shit
[16:01] <shadeslayer> http://pad.lv/728447
[16:01] <c2tarun> yofel: on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging page its that kdebase is uploaded by some one onto ppa? how come its not there?
[16:02] <yofel> kdenetwork uploaded, kdeedu coming
[16:02] <debfx> apachelogger: we copy mysqld to mysqld-akonadi at build time so we don't get any mysql security updates
[16:02] <yofel> c2tarun: huh? it is there
[16:02] <apachelogger> debfx: that is what I said... a fully qualified mysql
[16:02] <yofel> c2tarun: I uploaded it after all, and it shows it as building here
[16:02] <yofel> c2tarun: but it's not built yet
[16:03] <c2tarun> yofel: nope, I am not saying about that, see on the page some guy PhilipMuskovac took it and uploaded it to pps
[16:03] <yofel> c2tarun: that's me :P
[16:03] <c2tarun> yofel: oh :)
[16:04] <c2tarun> yofel: yup, one more thing, how come some names are in hyperlink while some are not?
[16:05] <yofel> c2tarun: because I have a wiki page under my name, the wiki auto-links that
[16:06] <yofel> brb
[16:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: did we rebuild pyqt with new python?
[16:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Needs to be updated from Debian in any case.
[16:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: PyQt or Python?
[16:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: PyQt4.
[16:23] <debfx> apachelogger: copying a binary so it runs in an apparmor profile seems just wrong
[16:24] <yofel> c2tarun: kdebase published
[16:25] <debfx> apachelogger: maybe we could write a wrapper script that just calls mysqld and create a apparmor profile for that script
[16:25] <Riddell> nigelb: your socket has 5 holes!
[16:26] <apachelogger> debfx: that does not help, the mysql binary would then be locked by apparmor
[16:26] <apachelogger> meaning that its profile would need permissions to write to $HOMES
[16:26] <ScottK> debfx: jdstrand tells it may be possible to get away from this now, but it'd take some research.
[16:26] <apachelogger> which is even more wrong
[16:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should just ignore upstream advise and use sqlite :P
[16:27] <debfx> apachelogger: we'd write a subprofile in the wrapper script apparmor profile
[16:27] <apachelogger> I do not compute
[16:28] <apachelogger> a profile for what?
[16:28] <apachelogger> mysqld?
[16:29] <debfx> apachelogger: something like http://paste.kde.org/6305/
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you have adaptors from UK to India?
[16:30] <apachelogger> debfx: it scares the hell out of me, but if you wish to give it a try...
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably...
[16:30] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[16:32] <yofel> kdeedu uploaded
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/b9ztX.jpg
[16:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nifty.  yes that'll do
[16:35] <GrueMaster> So, does anyone in kubuntu have armel hardware to work with?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how many do you want?
[16:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just one
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ah ok... i'll get this one then
[16:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but i'd recommend bringing more, other people may not have adapters
[16:38] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:38] <shadeslayer> i think i have one more lying around that's free
[16:38] <Riddell> GrueMaster: ScottK has some machines, agateau has an arm netbook
[16:38] <nigelb> Riddell: the 5 is for different types of plugs ;)
[16:39] <Riddell> nigelb: different types of plugs....
[16:39] <Riddell> what sort of different types of plugs?
[16:39] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Just wanted someone to know that the Alpha 3 image failed to run.
[16:39] <Riddell> GrueMaster: thanks for testing
[16:39] <nigelb> Riddell: the 2 pins can be big or small, that's why the 4 sets of holes
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[16:40] <shadeslayer> but don't worry
[16:40] <shadeslayer> the one i showed you has only 2 pins at the front
[16:40] <shadeslayer> so it'll plug into post of the sockets
[16:41] <nigelb> yeah, plug in a convertor and you should be all good
[16:42] <bambee> GrueMaster: which image did you test ?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> nigelb: btw do you have a spare SD Card?
[16:42] <GrueMaster> Both the 301 and the 303 images on panda.
[16:43] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I can look around.  for camera?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: micro sd
[16:43] <bambee> GrueMaster: panda ?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i have something planned that invlolves Kubuntu and my Phone :P
[16:43] <nigelb> ouch, no micro sd
[16:43] <GrueMaster> omap4
[16:43] <bambee> ok
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah ...
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Nightrose needs one of your adaptors
[16:43] <GrueMaster> http://www.pandaboard.org
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no problemo
[16:44] <nigelb> just make sure you have at least 2
[16:44] <shadeslayer> i'll get as many as i can find ... will scavenge on the weekend
[16:44] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: what kinda magic to you have?
[16:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: http://i.imgur.com/b9ztX.jpg
[16:45] <Nightrose> thx
[16:45] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:45]  * Nightrose would  really love if we could all just use the same...
[16:46] <Riddell> yes, the world would be much better if everyone did the sensible thing and used British power sockets
[16:46] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:49] <tazz> Riddell, you might want to lurk in #kde-in for a week or so :p
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[16:50] <tazz> yes and we would all love if the entire world drove on the left hand side too...
[16:50] <tazz> :p
[16:53] <debfx> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/6308/ seems to work fine
[16:56] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:56] <shadeslayer> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#HTC_Desire
[16:56] <shadeslayer> i should try this out
[16:57] <shadeslayer> over the weekend
[16:59] <markey> Riddell: Ryan Paul == segphault
[16:59] <markey> on IRC
[16:59] <shadeslayer> thanks markey
[16:59] <markey> however, note that Ars has its own IRC server
[16:59] <markey> he is not often on Freenode
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:00] <markey> go to #linux on their server
[17:00] <shadeslayer> i'm on the ars irc server too ;]
[17:00] <markey> yeah
[17:00] <markey> DrPizza is there too (Peter Bright)
[17:00] <markey> he is fairly bright
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should rather port flipping kubuntu mobile to it
[17:18] <apachelogger> debfx: cool
[17:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i need a 4 GB micro sd card to do that
[17:24] <shadeslayer> i don't have one of those
[17:32] <shadeslayer> markey: there's talk of the N950
[17:35] <shadeslayer> sudo: aptitude: command not found : for a moment i went wtf
[17:36] <yofel> ^^
[17:40] <ScottK> GrueMaster: I don't have any machines that will (yet) work with a Natty image.
[17:40] <apachelogger> aptitude shall go die
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get one then
[17:40] <apachelogger> I did not have one either ^^
[17:40]  * apachelogger wonders how to add a qml to an android apk
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the qt install app thing doesn't work
[17:41] <shadeslayer> not for me and Quintasan it doesn't
[17:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[17:41] <apachelogger> what qt install app?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try installing ministro
[17:41] <apachelogger> worked just fine here
[17:41] <shadeslayer> what
[17:41] <apachelogger> but my qml does not get installed, or at least it cannot find it at runtime
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you mean to say
[17:41] <shadeslayer> that the app runs, and downloads Qt libs?
[17:41] <apachelogger> aye
[17:41] <shadeslayer> O_O
[17:41] <apachelogger> my app runs actually
[17:41] <apachelogger> it just doesnt have much of a ui ^^
[17:41] <shadeslayer> for some reason, i can't get it to complete here
[17:41] <apachelogger> just as I suspected, the qml is not in the apk
[17:42] <apachelogger> cause you people have shitty devices, that is why :P
[17:42] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:42] <shadeslayer> it just quits when trying to search for the libs
[17:49] <jussi> shadeslayer: I found a fix - or most of one anyway
[17:49] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[17:49] <jussi> Need to update the intel driver
[17:50] <jussi> it appears much faster now - though cube fails big time.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:51] <jussi> oh, wait, it works! I just was pressing the erong thing'
[17:51] <jussi> wrong
[17:51] <jussi> :D
[17:52] <shadeslayer> haha
[17:52] <shadeslayer> jussi: tried from xorg edgers
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:52] <jussi> shadeslayer: no, I grabbed from ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:53] <jussi> hrm, how do I add more desktops ?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: xorg edgers is better
[17:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: see the desktop switching thingy below
[17:53] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, but they update that loads
[17:53] <shadeslayer> right click on that
[17:53] <jussi> oh lol, thats easy
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: use activities
[17:54] <jussi> ?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google kde activities
[17:54] <kubotu> Results for kde activities: 1. How to Use KDE Plasma Activities: http://maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/2010/09/01 | 2. What's KDE Activities? (Page 1) / Applications & Desktop ...: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72520 | 3. Plasma - KDE UserBase: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma
[18:00] <Riddell> yofel: how would you fancy handling the 4.6.1 release tomorrow?
[18:01] <yofel> what needs to be done?
[18:01] <Riddell> yofel: ensure it's been tested for natty and maverick
[18:01] <Riddell> copy maverick packages to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:01] <Riddell> test again
[18:01] <Riddell> announce on kubuntu.org
[18:02] <yofel> I can do the first parts - but I'm clueless about how to announce it
[18:02] <Riddell> ah, well you can practice with the alpha 3 announce if you want :)
[18:04] <bambee> polkit-kde-1 crash reported
[18:04] <bambee> (additionnal informations and backtrace in attachment)
[18:04] <Riddell> yofel: when you see the alpha 3 announce on ubuntu-devel-announce you can publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/natty-alpha-3
[18:05] <Riddell> Edit -> publishing options -> published and promoted to front page
[18:05] <yofel> ok, just managed to log in (I think..)
[18:06] <Riddell> for 4.6.1 Create Content -> News  copy and paste and update the 4.6.0 story
[18:07] <Riddell> yofel: then you need to find someone to upload the packages to natty
[18:07] <apachelogger> groovy
[18:07] <apachelogger> samegame is slightly b0rked ^^
[18:07] <Riddell> Kate Stewart    (  70) [ubuntu-release] Natty Alpha 3 Released!
[18:07] <Riddell> yofel: go go publishing!
[18:07] <shadeslayer> !find landscape-sysinfo
[18:08] <yofel> ok, let's see..
[18:09] <sheytan> Hey yo
[18:09] <yofel> Riddell: seems to have worked
[18:10] <Riddell> lovely
[18:10] <Riddell> yofel: so do you think you can handle 4.6.1 tomorrow?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> i can help with that tomorrow
[18:12] <Riddell> great
[18:14] <Riddell> bambee: language-selector uploaded thanks
[18:15] <yofel> I think I'll manage
[18:15] <bambee> Riddell: thanks :)
[18:15] <debfx> Riddell: could you have a look at bug #728584 and grant a FFe if required :)
[18:16] <sheytan> Will kubuntu natty installer support upgrading?
[18:16] <sheytan> like this https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1LZHwrTTPDA/TW_FFxglw0I/AAAAAAAAZDQ/BQRi3-8bII4/s1600/instaltor.png
[18:16]  * shadeslayer asked that about a day ago
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yet to recieve a answer :P
[18:17] <debfx> Riddell: jdstrand has reviewed the apparmor bits
[18:17] <Riddell> debfx: approved (in principle, I haven't tested it)
[18:18] <debfx> Riddell: do you want to test it before I upload the package?
[18:20] <bambee> apachelogger: around ? just for a technical advise
[18:21] <shadeslayer> he's probably playing with his new tablet
[18:21] <bambee> ohhh I did not know that, no problems :)
[18:23]  * yofel gets that akonadi patch into neon
[18:24] <shadeslayer> i hear akonadi, patch and neon
[18:24] <shadeslayer> impossible
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: how are we going to maintain a patch against trunk KDE O_O
[18:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: erm... we already mess with apparmor there - so can't get worse
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yikes
[18:25] <shadeslayer> true that
[18:25] <bambee> by the way I propose myself for kde 4.6.1 natty testing
[18:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: apparmor is the root of our akonadi issues, can't really do much about it
[18:25] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:26] <yofel> well, one of them
[18:27] <yofel> bambee: you'll need ninja permissions for that currently
[18:28] <Riddell> we can fix that
[18:28] <Riddell> bambee: what's your launchpad username?
[18:28] <bambee> aahhh... effectively...
[18:29] <bambee> Riddell: bambi (remember scrubs :P)
[18:29] <maco> does that show exist in his country?
[18:29] <Riddell> only if you own a telly
[18:29] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[18:29] <bambee> maco: sure, scrubs , "how I met your mother" and other great series :)
[18:29] <shadeslayer> bambee: even on lp?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> bambee: dude we should totally meet
[18:30] <maco> but..that's american tv
[18:30] <shadeslayer> maco: so?
[18:30] <Riddell> bambee: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa
[18:30] <shadeslayer> we have scrubs here too :P
[18:30] <bambee> shadeslayer: sure :)
[18:30] <bambee> shadeslayer: not this UDS... but the next one ?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> altho ... it lags a bit behind the american version
[18:31] <Riddell> maco: apparantly your country is good at exporting its culture
[18:31] <Riddell> now, who wants some Dr Who audio book CDs?
[18:31] <maco> Riddell: who would want to import it though?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> bambee: yeah .. i can't attend this one too .... but before UDS P i might go to the Desktop Summit :P
[18:31] <shadeslayer> aw just audio?
[18:31] <bambee> maco: "that's american tv"... you know you've just to translate it ;)
[18:31] <bambee> it's fun in french :p
[18:32] <bambee> (mostly when JD dreams lol)
[18:32] <maco> my sentiment was more "ewww, american tv. brits do it better"
[18:32]  * shadeslayer just watches it in English
[18:32] <bambee> Riddell: thanks
[18:32] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah ... :D
[18:32] <maco> Riddell: what was that about Doctor Who?
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw i won't be arriving before tuesday
[18:33] <shadeslayer> like tuesday noon
[18:33] <bambee> shadeslayer: my last serie these days is "chuck"
[18:33] <bambee> morgan is my hero :P
[18:33] <shadeslayer> bambee: i'm watching Scrubs/HIMYM/BBT
[18:33] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:33] <bambee> mouarf
[18:33] <bambee> :)
[18:33] <shadeslayer> nph is awesome
[18:38] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/samegame-on-android.mp4
[18:38] <shadeslayer> *click*
[18:39] <shadeslayer> needs time to stream :(
[18:39]  * shadeslayer downloads
[18:39] <bambee> shadeslayer: with luck... you will hear my frenchy accent :D
[18:40] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: btw remember when you used to do webcasts
[18:44] <shadeslayer> there was this site
[18:45] <apachelogger_> what are webcasts?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ah there we go
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ustream
[18:45]  * shadeslayer registers
[18:46] <apachelogger_> oh
[18:46] <apachelogger_> well
[18:46] <apachelogger_> utube ftw
[18:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: i can't stream stuff on youtube
[18:47] <apachelogger_> oh
[18:47] <apachelogger_> true
[18:47]  * bambee will get his ninja costume
[18:48]  * apachelogger_ tries to deploy the qt flying bus onto android
[18:50] <jonathan_> Can I ask a question about PyQt4? PyQt4 apps don't run on my system, they error out on an undefined symbol in QtWebkit.so
[18:50] <apachelogger_> the try thing is that you actually need to stuff everything in a qrc
[18:50] <apachelogger_> otherwise it wont get deployed to android ^^
[18:51] <apachelogger_> ScottK: I am just going to upload the kernel as persia is not around to confirm that this is the correct approach
[18:51] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Great.  If it builds, that's correct enough I think.
[18:52] <apachelogger_> well
[18:52] <apachelogger_> oh
[18:52] <apachelogger_> idea
[18:52]  * apachelogger_ will upload as 3.1
[18:53] <bambee> jonathan_: could you paste an example on http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:53] <apachelogger_> should it not conduct an ABI check on 3.1 then we know that only abi changes must increment the main revision number ^^
[18:53] <bambee> without output it won't help us ;)
[18:53] <apachelogger_> why do I have a suffix actually?
[18:54] <jonathan_> bambee: sorry, I wasn't sure whether this was the right place to even ask the question
[18:54] <jonathan_> bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575113/
[18:55] <apachelogger_> I am terrible at this game -.-
[18:55] <apachelogger_> ha!
[18:55] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: qtflyingbus on android :D
[18:56] <jonathan_> bambee: I've tried rebuilding the python-qt4 package from source on my system and it doesn't help
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/xQ6Fp.png <- I think the file isn't declaring its mimetype
[18:56] <shadeslayer> still downloading
[18:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: that's a bad bad file
[18:56] <shadeslayer> someone should spank it
[18:57] <shadeslayer> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Length: 18996632 (18M) [video/mp4]
[18:57] <shadeslayer> looks fine here
[18:57] <bambee> jonathan_: which release ? on natty ?
[18:57] <bambee> or maverick ?
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> then it's chromium fail
[18:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: bad bad chromium
[18:57] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:58] <yofel> bambee: looks like maverick, but I find it odd that a  rebuild doesn't help
[18:58] <bambee> yofel: yup on natty it works fine here
[18:58] <jonathan_> bambee: yes, its maverick
[18:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: kool
[19:00] <jonathan_> bambee: sorry, I have to leave --- my mum got stuck in her car and needs help ;-)
[19:00] <yofel> jonathan_: pyqt4 version?
[19:00] <yofel> ah, sure ^^
[19:01] <bambee> jonathan_: sure ^^
[19:02]  * c2tarun taking sip4
[19:03] <yofel> c2tarun: we don't backport that
[19:03] <yofel> I'll mark it blocked again on the wiki, sry
[19:03] <c2tarun> yofel: why?
[19:03] <yofel> c2tarun: try to build it, have fun, you'll need to fix maverick python3 first
[19:04] <yofel> that's why we're stuck on kdebindings 4.6 RC1
[19:05] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm.... and natty even have only python 2.7.1 and no python 3. is python3 available soomewhere?
[19:06] <yofel> c2tarun: python3 is installable since quite a while ago, python 2.7.1 is just the default
[19:06] <c2tarun> yofel: no getting, what do you mean by installable? its out there in upstream but we don't have that in archives?
[19:07] <yofel> c2tarun: it's in the archive
[19:07] <yofel> !info python3
[19:08] <c2tarun> yofel: python and python are not related? ( I mean is python3 newer version of python?)
[19:08] <c2tarun> yofel: python and python3 are not related? ( I mean is python3 newer version of python?)
[19:09] <yofel> c2tarun: python3 is a major new release with quite a lot changes, we're sticking to python2 for now, and using 2.7.1 as default in natty, but you can install python3
[19:09] <yofel> c2tarun: also, you can have more than one python version installed at the same time, like 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.1 and 3.2
[19:10] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, and you are saying that for sip4 or kdebindings we need python3?
[19:10] <yofel> c2tarun: sip4 builds it's modules for both python 2 and python 3 - and the maverick python 3 debhelper scripts are broken
[19:11] <c2tarun> yofel: broken? means
[19:11] <apachelogger_> bambee: welcome to the ninjas :D
[19:11] <yofel> sip fails to build
[19:11] <yofel> it compiles fine, but the package isn't being created correctly
[19:12] <yofel> and without natty sip backported we can't backport newer kdebindings, so we're stuck there
[19:12] <Trouble> Is 4.6.1 for Maverick ready for testing in ninjas?
[19:12] <yofel> Trouble: it is
[19:12]  * yofel does an installation test
[19:13] <Trouble> Win! I'm gonna go get myself some of that action...
[19:13] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm... .so if you guys are stuck, there is no point tryin any hand on it :/ is there any other pacakge work pending?
[19:13] <yofel> c2tarun: not really, now we need to test if things work
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ok night guys
[19:13] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[19:13] <yofel> nini shadeslayer
[19:13] <c2tarun> gn shadeslayer :)
[19:14] <c2tarun> yofel: test what?
[19:15] <yofel> c2tarun: install 4.6.1 on our systems and see if anything went wrong during packaging - ok, we can't test everything, but at least look for obvious erros
[19:15] <yofel> *errors
[19:15] <bambee> apachelogger_: thanks :D
[19:16] <bambee> I did it! I'm a ninja :p
[19:16] <c2tarun> yofel: on my system or on chroot?
[19:16] <bambee> :)
[19:16] <yofel> oh yeah, welcome bambee ^^
[19:16] <c2tarun> congrats bambee
[19:16] <c2tarun> :)
[19:16] <yofel> c2tarun: chroot is ok to check if things install (I'm doing that currently) - but we'll need real installations to check if things work
[19:17] <yofel> c2tarun: and by now it shouldn't break your system, if it does we have a problem
[19:18] <c2tarun> yofel: I'll install a separate copy of kubuntu and test packages there as well but first I need to know how testing works :( how can I look for packages that needs testing?
[19:18] <yofel> c2tarun: erm, just add the ppa on your system and update?
[19:18] <c2tarun> yofel: which ppa?
[19:19] <yofel> as we need to check if updating from 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 will break anything - as that's what a lot of users will be doing tomorrow
[19:19] <yofel> ninjas
[19:19] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I have that sorry to ask this but what is 4.6.0 I mean name of the application?
[19:19] <yofel> c2tarun: that's assuming you have kubuntu-ppa/backports already added and use 4.6.0
[19:20] <yofel> c2tarun: kde 4.6.0 release, after all we packaged all of kde now - so you'll update the parts you have installed
[19:21] <c2tarun> yofel: by kde you mean just the desktop environment? so I need to install kde 4.6.0 on my chroot and than I have to update it?
[19:22] <yofel> c2tarun: I'm not sure if chroot is worth it - I'm doing chroot upgrade tests, and I'm fast doing that, real maverick tests would be more helpful (if you have a spare installation that's using kde 4.6)
[19:22] <bambee> Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa  o_O
[19:22]  * Trouble has *full* confidence in the Kubuntu devs and is updating his live installation!
[19:22] <bambee> (using add-apt-repository)
[19:22] <yofel> bambee: add-apt-repostory doesn't work with private ppas
[19:23] <bambee> ohh I did not know
[19:23] <bambee> good to know
[19:23] <c2tarun> bambee: add it directly to /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:23]  * yofel uses natty and can't test maverick ^^
[19:23] <bambee> ok
[19:23] <yofel> bambee: follow the instructions on the ppa page
[19:23] <Trouble> Hmm kernel updates too, brb - rebooting
[19:24] <c2tarun> yofel: I am using maverick right now but I'll also get a separate installation of kubuntu maverick. than what I have to do?
[19:24] <yofel> c2tarun: add kubuntu-ppa/backports to install 4.6.0, then add the ninjas ppa, install all updates and check if everything still works right
[19:25] <c2tarun> yofel: sure I'll do that :)
[19:25] <yofel> natty seems to work fine so far for me
[19:26] <c2tarun> yofel: all we need to test, no fixing or upgrade work left now?
[19:26] <yofel> c2tarun: for now we're done with packaging yep
[19:26] <yofel> c2tarun: oh right - are you on the kde-packagers mailing list yet?
[19:26] <c2tarun> yofel: nope
[19:27] <yofel> you'll have to file a sysadmin request for that, let me get the right place
[19:28] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od5iqxwvRJc
[19:28] <c2tarun> apachelogger_: shadeslayer slept I guess..
[19:29] <apachelogger_> he always sleeps
[19:29] <apachelogger_> he is weak
[19:29] <yofel> c2tarun: go to https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=sysadmin&format=guided choose 'mailinglists' as component, say that you're packaging for kubuntu and that they should please add you do the kde-packagers mailing list
[19:29] <yofel> needs to be done like that since the mailing list is as secret as our ninjas :P
[19:29]  * apachelogger_ needs to do somnething about his suffix
[19:29] <apachelogger_> apachelogger_: suffix go away!
[19:29] <yofel> but you'll get notified of new releases that need packaging there, and discussions about issues with the sources
[19:29] <apachelogger_> apachelogger_: hello?!?!?!!?
[19:29] <apachelogger_> meh
[19:30] <apachelogger_> do I have to do everything myself -.-
[19:30] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I need a new account for that or LP one will do?
[19:30] <yofel> c2tarun: no, you'll need a kde bugzilla account
[19:30] <c2tarun> yofel: ok
[19:30] <yofel> useful to have anyway if you plan on sticking around
[19:36] <c2tarun> yofel: ok I filed the bug for joining mailing list :)
[19:50] <bambee> kde 4.6.1 <3
[19:50] <bambee> :D
[19:51] <bambee> no just kde <3
[19:53]  * Trouble <3 apachelogger > KDE
[19:54] <bambee> apachelogger: you won a fan :P
[19:54] <bambee> ;)
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> lol: d->m_oauth->setConsumerSecret("hammertime");
[19:56] <Trouble> apachelogger has a whole bunch of fans... https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[19:57] <apachelogger> yay, more fans :)
[19:57]  * apachelogger hugs Trouble
[20:05] <apachelogger> meh
[20:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: kernel build starts in 5 hrs
[20:05] <ScottK> :-)
[20:05] <ScottK> If you'd got it done before Alpha 3 was out, we'd have been in business.
[20:06] <apachelogger> ah, now I am to blame :P
[20:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm sure somehow it's shadeslayer's fault for distracting you.
[20:08] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:08] <apachelogger> oh
[20:08] <apachelogger> groovy
[20:08] <apachelogger> pkg-kde-tools cannot depend on gcc-4.4 on arm only because it is arch:all
[20:08] <apachelogger> great
[20:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: suggestions?
[20:10] <ScottK> What'd we do for qt4-x11?
[20:10] <ScottK> Do that again.
[20:10] <ScottK> It can depend on it all arch, but only use it in debian/rules on armel.
[20:11] <ScottK> arch/archs
[20:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh
[20:11] <apachelogger> good point
[20:11] <apachelogger> lets do that
[20:12] <apachelogger> now I just need to find out which of the 300 mk files we have will be most useful to change :S
[20:25]  * apachelogger is next to clueless how to do this in darth dh7
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> Muon needs a nifty background image like the one USC has: http://i.imgur.com/BFCHu.png
[20:43] <apachelogger> very much so
[20:44] <apachelogger> in general it needs a more visual touch IMHO
[20:44] <apachelogger> the UI looks a bit mechanical :)
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> I think not using the regular grey background is a step in the right direction
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> Switching is also good since that means I can get rid of the horizontal separator below the breadcrumb, since if you have windeco separators enabled in Oxygen it looks weird
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> plus I can now use a grey font in the review widget: http://i.imgur.com/cf0ZB.png
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> and the screenshot fade-in is a bit more obvious now
[20:52] <jonathan_> yofel: mum saved, mission accomplished :-), can I return with my question about PyQt? Its python-qt4-4.8.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa2
[20:54]  * yofel takes a look at the crash again
[20:58] <bambee> yofel: python-qt4-4.8.3 is not backported for maverick ?
[20:59] <yofel> no, needs new sip which would need us to fix dh_python3 first
[20:59] <bambee> (maybe it was fixed in 4.8.2 or 4.8.3)
[20:59] <bambee> ok
[21:00] <yofel> I think at least
[21:02] <yofel> yep -  Depends: python-sip-dev (>= 4.12.1) but it is not going to be installed.
[21:02] <jjesse> with the release nof natty alpha 3 will it install now on my virtualbox amd64?
[21:04] <bambee> jjesse: normally it should (it worked just fine on virtualbox this morning)
[21:04] <bambee> and it was tested
[21:05] <bambee> (by many people)
[21:06] <yofel> jonathan_: I won't have time to look at this in-depth today (esp. since I don't have a maverick system to test this on here) - if bambee doesn't have any ideas you should file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ so it's not forgotten
[21:06] <jjesse> will it would be the first time in a long long time that i've gotten an amd64 build to run
[21:06] <jonathan_> sure, thanks for the effort anyway :-)
[21:12] <bambee> yofel: wait
[21:13] <bambee> _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb => it looks to QGraphicsWebview which is a valid class right ?
[21:13] <bambee>  QGraphicsWebview.setResizesToContents()
[21:14] <bambee> I find it in qt 4.7 but not in qt 4.6
[21:15] <yofel> 4.6? he's using maverick, not lucid, maverick has 4.7
[21:15] <bambee> I can confirm, it's not in qt 4.6
[21:15] <bambee> so wtf ?
[21:15] <yofel> er, also webkit is a bit complicated
[21:15] <yofel> !info libqtwebkit4
[21:17] <bambee> jonathan_: paste readelf -d /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyQt4/QtWebKit.so | grep NEEDED
[21:17] <bambee> please
[21:23] <bambee> jonathan_: still here ?
[21:24] <bambee> does the following command returns something : objdump -T /usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so | grep _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb ?
[21:28] <ulysses> where can be the new language selector kcm translated?
[21:29] <jonathan_> bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575197/
[21:30] <jonathan_> bambee: the objdump command prints "00a58740 g    DF .text  00000032  Base        _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb"
[21:32] <bambee> apachelogger: an idea ?
[21:36] <apachelogger> I shall have context plz
[21:37] <yofel> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575113/
[21:38] <apachelogger> well
[21:38] <apachelogger> symbol mismatch
[21:38] <apachelogger> obviously :)
[21:39] <apachelogger> pyqt was built against a different version of the qtwebkit ABI
[21:39] <bambee> so it's an ABI imcompatibility ?
[21:39] <bambee> incompatibility *
[21:39] <apachelogger> most likely
[21:39] <apachelogger> pyqt likes to have those
[21:39] <bambee> aarrff
[21:40] <apachelogger> Dependency is not satisfiable: python-scour
[21:40] <apachelogger> gaw
[21:40] <apachelogger> d
[21:40] <apachelogger> I hate it so much
[21:40] <apachelogger> ....
[21:44] <apachelogger> !find libvlc4 lucid
[21:44] <apachelogger> !info libvlc4 lucid
[21:44] <apachelogger> silly me
[21:44] <apachelogger> omg
[21:44] <apachelogger> !info vlc lucid
[21:44] <apachelogger> lololo
[21:45] <apachelogger> valorie: unless there is vlc 1.1.1 in the backporties there aint is gonna be no phonon vlc backport not
[21:48] <bambee> ulysses: we should ask to translate teams, I guess
[21:49] <bambee> there is a way to make a global request to each translate team ?
[21:49] <apachelogger>   Could not find compiler set in environment variable CC:
[21:49] <apachelogger>   yourmotha.
[21:49] <apachelogger> I like it when a plan comes together
[21:49] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:49] <bambee> \o/
[21:51] <valorie> OMG y'all have mad skillz!
[21:51] <jonathan_> bambee: I have filed it as a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/728701, is that o.k.?
[21:51] <jonathan_> bambee: is there anything else I can do (I am fine with just giving up :-) )
[21:52] <valorie> cookies for everybody (shadeslayer*) who put Amarok 2.4 in lucid backports!
[21:52] <valorie> can vlc 1.1.1 be put into backports?
[21:52] <bambee> jonathan_: 4.10.5 ?
[21:52] <valorie> I see it isn't, but can it be?
[21:53]  * valorie ups the offer to cookies AND MILK
[21:53] <valorie> so our LTS users can haz backends too
[21:55] <apachelogger> that is for the backports team to decide
[21:56] <apachelogger> generally it can, whether that is a good idea or not is another question
[21:57] <valorie> ok
[21:57] <jonathan_> bambee: 4.10.5 what?
[21:57] <valorie> breakages and such are bad
[21:57] <apachelogger> ScottK:   Uploading pkg-kde-tools_0.9.3ubuntu7_source.changes: done.
[21:57] <apachelogger> that should force gcc 4.4
[21:57] <apachelogger> or so I hope
[21:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cool.
[21:58] <apachelogger> at least it breaks your CC var ^^
[21:58]  * apachelogger moves on to breaking his tablet
[22:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: How about CXX?
[22:03] <apachelogger> that too
[22:03]  * apachelogger is very successfull today
[22:03] <apachelogger> tablet does not boot no moar
[22:03] <ScottK> OK.  Just checking.
[22:04] <ScottK> A large hammer could either fix it or at least have your frustrations vented about it.
[22:08] <apachelogger> I do not own such a device :(
[22:09] <ScottK> Generally there are field expedient substitutes around.
[22:11] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:11]  * apachelogger tries a different rootf
[22:11] <apachelogger> s
[22:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: since you are custom rom master ... is there a way to debug booting?
[22:13]  * apachelogger finds his bootloader here rather unverbose
[22:13]  * debfx is going to break akonadi now
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> it was broken anyways :P
[22:16] <apachelogger> ..by design...
[22:52] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes, logcat
[22:53] <nixternal> if the phone is rooted of course, you can boot into recovery, connect via adb, logcat, then start it up. umm, best to use eclipse to be honest for debugging
[23:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: thx will try


[00:53] <Fudge> is it the beta or the daily
[14:30]  * AlanBell checks the daily
[14:30] <AlanBell> the beta 2 was certainly broken, but that has been fixed now
[14:40] <AlanBell> yeah, this is broken again, but differently
[14:41] <AlanBell> bug 1063043 is valid
[14:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1063043 in ubiquity "Inaccessible Installer for 12.10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1063043
[14:41] <AlanBell> now sound works by default which is great, and orca doesn't crash after the first page, but it doesn't read it either


[10:14] <phaidros> hi, how to go from stock 12.4.3 to edubuntu? I believe it is just sources.list .. or is it just installing the edubuntu metapackages?
[11:14] <highvoltage> phaidros: you can keep your sources.list as is, look for the edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-edu meta-packages in software center
[11:16] <phaidros> highvoltage: thanks!
[11:17] <phaidros> highvoltage: how much "better" ist 13.10 compared to LTS? (in stable envs I usually go for LTS or Debian stable, on my own Desktop I alwas use bleding edge, so what is good for a kids' desktop then .. ?! :)
[11:18] <highvoltage> phaidros: I'd recommend Ubuntu/Edubuntu LTS or Debian Stable as well for sure
[11:19] <highvoltage> phaidros: the newer versions don't really bring enough new features to make it worth while. most of the important software (web browser, libreoffice, etc) are available in updates anyway
[11:25] <phaidros> highvoltage: ic. is there a security concept yet, as whilelisting websites / apps, a granular permission system?
[11:25] <phaidros> .. speaking of a standalone system so far ..
[11:30] <highvoltage> phaidros: it's one of the top requests on edubuntu, but not implemented yet
[11:30] <highvoltage> phaidros: stgraber is working on a great AD-like solution on Edubuntu using Samba. the long-term plans is to have some kind of policy editor where those settings could be stored and propagated using that system
[11:51] <phaidros> highvoltage: sounds difficult, I'd go for a mixture of apparmor, plus a mandatory webproxy for certain user accounts
[11:51] <phaidros> for that proxy one can easily build whitelists with $webgui
[11:52] <phaidros> even export and share those lists ..
[11:52] <phaidros> this gets me thinking :)


[00:52] <guiverc> we're going to be too big Bashing-om .... or you already know we're too big?
[00:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: See that you like: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835-1/44180 :D
[00:56] <guiverc> i do like all updates together in the .1.. "In this .1 Issue" I'm not sure about...   to me it needs to be 'continued from'   so maybe "In this 835.1 Issue"   and maybe a brief sentence as to why  (which can be added to skeleton in comments for re-use when required in future).
[00:57] <guiverc> I'm aware the 835 issue hasn't had supports removed; or mention there is a .1 part yet.
[00:57] <guiverc> In this 835.1 Appendix  (appendix instead of issue ???)
[01:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Was but a draft - make the edits as you prefer - I be happy with it :D
[01:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Blanket, the Ambient Sounds App for Linux, Gets Visual Revamp @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/blanket-ambient-noise-app-update-new-ui
[01:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Shower time for me - back in a bit :)
[01:20] <guiverc> How about "In this ... (coughing fit... and i lost train of thought..)
[01:21] <guiverc> last time we used 824.2 (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-824-2/41989) so we should be consistent
[01:23] <guiverc> how about we just do what we did there.. though our first part in 824 didn't mention the 2nd part..  I think we should do that... I'll amend part 1 (current) as example (when I have idea, and aren't fighting coughing fits)
[01:23]  * guiverc 'playing' in uwn 835 (first part)
[01:28]  * guiverc renamed 835-1 to 835-2  (no change yet in content of file though)
[01:28]  * guiverc out of uwn 835  (first part)
[01:29]  * guiverc editing uwn835-2
[01:31]  * guiverc out of uwn835-2  & switching to skeleton  (adding comments only)
[01:39] <guiverc> skeleton adjusted (in comment) as per my changes to 835... Please feel free to amend/change (even ignore) as required   https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/uwn-skeleton-template/39501
[01:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Eyes back on - ^ looking.
[02:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Me like - agreed we should be consistent. In just looking I have encountered "Draft is being edited in another window. Please reload this page." is it now safe to "reload" ?
[02:05] <guiverc> I'd reload... which page shows in-use... (I've edited 3 recently 835/835.2/skeleton..)
[02:06] <guiverc> I had them all on windows, as well as 824 & 824.1  & possible I missed closing some but edit only on current (others just view raw)
[02:07]  * guiverc would just abandon edit if not recent & thus was forgotten/incomplete.... I think it less risky to start again than potentially screw something up
[02:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: As you now have a -2 copy of my -1 .. and we are going with -2; I propose editing 835 to direct to the -2// can we then delete the -1 ?
[02:12] <guiverc> is there a reason 835.2 has azure & gcp (can't recall what they're called; tags in wp)
[02:13] <guiverc> I didn't attempt to create 835.2,, but rename 835.1 to 835.2
[02:13] <guiverc> if you had 835.1 open in a browser tab on your machine ; that may not have reflected the changes I made on server (ie. rename)
[02:14] <guiverc> i see no 835.1 at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/uwn/124
[02:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: No idea of what the azure & gcp tags are :(
[02:14] <guiverc> we can just remove azure/gcp...
[02:15] <guiverc> we've been missing 'news' tags I note for last couple issues, amending 833, 834  anyway
[02:16] <guiverc> yep they're tags (azure, whatever other was ^)
[02:17] <guiverc> are you in edit, or have worked out the -1/-2 issue (that I suspect is on your browser, as I don't see it.. unless I'm missing something which could be!)
[02:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Now confused / currently I show "Due to excessive content these are abridged; The complete list is here: <https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter - issue-835-1/44180>" should that not direct to issue-835-2 ?
[02:22] <guiverc> On my screen it shows as "Updates and Security can be found in [Addendum for Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 835](https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835-2/44180)."   and shows the 835-2 page as created by you (ie. i just renamed -1 to -2 and didn't create it)..   What URL are you looking at or pasted ^ from?
[02:23]  * guiverc wonders if your browser is 'behind the 8-ball' because I renamed pages you were looking at earlier (ie. I created your issue..)
[02:23] <guiverc> Maybe i need to ask you to close tab/windows prior to a rename in future??
[02:24] <guiverc> fyi.. my paste ^ was from https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835/44021
[02:25] <Bashing-om> presently: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835/44021 . // How about I back all the way out. close out my Discourse page - then reopen Discoure to the Newsletter - see then what I have ?
[02:25] <guiverc> yep.. sounds good to me...
[02:25] <Bashing-om> doing a re-do :P
[02:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :( "Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 835" remains with unchanged. Still reflects "Due to excessive content these are abridged". If just my cache we can live with it - so long as your edits stuck.
[02:33] <guiverc> have you viewed private (incognito etc)?  and same?   I'll do some checks of pages here (my usual firefox in private; chromium & maybe opera too)
[02:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: viewed private (incognito etc): never been there before - no idea of what/how to do so :(
[02:35] <guiverc> right click three-bar top right & select 'new private window'...   you won't be logged into site there (ie. hopefully see what others see)
[02:36] <Bashing-om> ack
[02:36] <guiverc> ^ is for firefox, chromium just uses incognito instead of word private but essentially identical
[02:38] <guiverc> I'm getting same here on firefox/chromium/opena on main AND private/incognito (didn't use alternate view-mode on opera)..
[02:38] <guiverc> did not have "Due to excessive content these are abridged" appear on any here
[02:39] <guiverc> I'll have to be careful (not just quickly rename) with page open on your system in future... Sorry for issue here
[02:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do not have those private/incognito options in the menu drop down - yukkie !
[02:40] <guiverc> what browser?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> slimjet - a chromium spin.
[02:42] <guiverc> okay... not a user of it so I cannot help... I'm booting up a recent lubuntu beta install on box ... it's browser won't have been used so checking there..
[02:44]  * guiverc nope... it was a minimal install.. no browser, not even snapd infrastructure... will use another box
[02:45]  * guiverc changes mind... maybe worthwile for purposes of QA on noble.. persisting on that thingy
[03:01]  * guiverc now wonders if battery will be enough for firefox snap install....
[03:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Oh what a can of worms I have opened :P
[03:07] <guiverc> I'd have blamed my renaming 835.1 to 835.2
[03:09] <guiverc> firefox snap installed (finally) & I'm seeing same on that device as I see on primary machine in firefox/chromium/opera..   though all will be using my IP address..   I believe we're fine & can use what we have..
[03:11]  * guiverc starting my read thru of 835..
[03:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Sounds wonderful :D
[03:13] <guiverc> s/. links are/. Links are/  (24.04 released)
[03:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: fixing.
[03:16] <guiverc> there maybe others... i'm currently just listing what i see (as I scan... I'll pause & go make drink in a few secs anyway)
[03:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have it open for edits -- and will edit as we go. Links done.
[03:21] <guiverc> first on the hub needs some TLC... "can be improved t so advise"
[03:22] <Bashing-om> k
[03:23] <guiverc> 24.04 beta testing... "we can test, many screenshots"  reads awkwardly... I think we need an "and" before the 'main screenshots'.  agree? or okay?
[03:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: looking.
[03:28] <guiverc> first in blogo... I suggest we change 'warehouse' to be 'Warehouse'...  it'll then match usage of Flatseal... OP in article uses both lower & upper case (upper case mostly in sub-headings) so I think change is okay; you agree? or don't matter (it is petty)
[03:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "with many screenshots" >> "or if we need to learn more" // done.
[03:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: proper name should be capital.
[03:29]  * guiverc doesn't use flatpaks, thus isn't aware if case is significant  (lower case being the more accurate to OP I believe due to upper being headings mostly)
[03:30] <guiverc> on that flatpak one.. I think the "its not" should be "it's not"   - you agree?
[03:32] <Bashing-om> agreed "it's".
[03:32] <guiverc> the second link under nouveau.gsp doesn't have a -listing- type format.. unlike say ubuntu.maker a few below it.. URL stands out as looking inconsistent
[03:34] <guiverc> linux 6.5,  suggest s/another post from Michael Larabel he here/another post from Michael Larabel, he here/   ie. suggesting pause via comma...   (or is that just me/my-writing?)
[03:39] <guiverc> aaahh... I finally see the "Due to excessive content these are abridged; The complete list is here:" I didn't see before... !!!!!!!!
[03:39] <guiverc> (me is sure I did searches for text here... in each browser too.. but never mind).
[03:40] <guiverc> on prior issue.. we just removed all reference to UPDATES in first.. I suggest we do same here... and my changes assumed Security was also moved to .2 also; so we maybe should move that OR we may need to tweak my wording (I suspsect will have to look)
[03:42] <guiverc> does ^ make sense... or should I reword.. ie. remove all the 'Ubuntu 20.04 Updates" ref in  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835/44021  so "Due to excessive content these are abridged; The" will be gone..
[03:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Agreed - in this case best to move the security updates also ( space permitting - we may then run into the same issue in the addendum).
[03:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: we should also note in "in this issue" table of contents that these are now in the addendum. I think.
[03:46] <guiverc> I thought about that, but the "Updates and Security can be found in" is just after end of list, a couple of lines away which is why I didn't do it.
[03:47] <Bashing-om> good deal - will move security and see what happens. //
[03:50]  * guiverc away from keyboard ~5 mins
[03:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: will save 835 - edit -2 // then reopen 835 and do the removals so I have only one instance open at a time !
[03:51] <guiverc> I don't see any issue with having both open  (may improve workflow..)
[03:52] <guiverc> the https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835-1/44180 link went to -2 page due to 44180 page.detail on URL.. it viewed page 44180
[04:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All done - rather now to feel safe as to worry/feel sorry that I was not safe.
[04:02] <guiverc> sorry about my delay in finding "Due to excessive content these are abridged"  ... I may have made a typo as didn't copy/paste that.. and then copy/pasted my typo into each browser & thus didn't find it (until post-full-read-thru)
[04:09] <guiverc> looks good, thanks Bashing-om
[04:09]  * guiverc adding 'news' tag  (removing azure.. too on .2)
[04:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - I too will try and remember to add news' tag at publishing.
[04:14] <guiverc> we both missed the last two issues... i didn't notice either (except for today)
[04:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have it in my check list - just a failure on my part to read :P
[19:50] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling WIP/Comments/WIKI and adding the News tag - log checked and no further edits are known.
[20:30] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - Doing at the Forums posting next.
[20:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums posting completed - making up a Mastodon blog next.
[21:29] <Bashing-om> Mastodon blogged - setting up issue836 next.
[21:41] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue836 off and running.
[22:13] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/04/15/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-835/
[22:27] <guiverc> Bashing-om, Question on dealing with comment (feedback on noble)...   I'd like to re-post it somewhere, but unsure where (I don't think I can approve it on fridge..)..   Post follows
[22:27] <guiverc> I am going to test out the ubuntu mate beta, however testing of the daily image from monday tells me that accessibility support is lacking, the buttons appear to be unlabled in the installer and there’s no audible way of seeing how well the installation is progressing, also, you used to be able to have orca save its settings for you and copy them to the installed system. only option for me going forward is to install ubuntu 24.04 as a
[22:27] <guiverc> n upgrade from 22.04 if I want to do a clean install, this isn’t ideal and it looks like the ubuntu team could do with a few more accessibility testers, such as myself
[22:27] <guiverc> in your opinion, is it feedback on Ubuntu Desktop, or Ubuntu-MATE Desktop??   and do you think I should re-post somewhere so it's read (if so where??)
[22:28] <guiverc> actually I'll post to https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-04-lts-beta-testing/44040  (seems appropriate there)
[22:28] <guiverc> any thoughts welcome of course
[22:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: re-reading for possible penetration :D
[22:34] <guiverc> copy/pasted here - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-04-lts-beta-testing/44040/29
[22:35] <guiverc> (originally had it pasted into ubuntu-mate discourse.. but community hub will get more users regardless .. and covers if it was Ubuntu Desktop that was being reviewed)
[22:39] <guiverc> posted uwn 835 to twitter, telegram, (mewe)
[22:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Will get the visibility on Discourse - How about on the /Testing/QATracker ?
[22:41] <guiverc> ~impossible (meaingfully anyway) there as needs to be filed against an ISO, that daily will be archived now & I couldn't be sure what ISO it was with what was given anyway
[22:41] <guiverc> iso report without a bug being filed won't gain attention anyway.. it's the bug report linked that gets printed on report(s)
[22:42] <guiverc> when I first asked ^   I hadn't recalled there was a beta tested post on discourse..   remembered it AFTER I asked you... thus that 'jump'
[22:43] <Bashing-om> :D
[22:45] <guiverc> & a nice-user posted a solution to [my] torbrowser-(apparmor)-issue so I don't have to wait till using a debian box to paste to fb... so logging in currently
[22:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: A silver linning :P
[22:48] <guiverc> just saves me turning my secondary box on twice... first time to use it normally; then after I turn it off and suddenly remember I forgot to paste UWN.. having to turn it on again....   yeah :)
[22:52] <guiverc> & pasted to fb...  (~12 hours earlier than last number of weeks)
[22:54] <Bashing-om> \o/ !