[11:17] <joseamunoz> Test
[11:40] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia: Hi
[11:40] <amachu> lifeless: Hi
[11:40] <elkbuntu> hi
[11:40] <elkbuntu> 20 mins yet!
[11:40] <amachu> elkbuntu: Just checking availabilities
[11:41] <elkbuntu> i know :)
[11:41]  * persia is present
[11:41]  * elkbuntu has pinged themuso
[11:41] <joseamunoz> Hi
[11:43] <lifeless> hi
[11:43] <joseamunoz> I hope this is the right place for Membership Candidates Meeting
[11:44] <persia> joseamunoz: It is.
[11:44] <elkbuntu> yes, but you've 17 minutes left :)
[11:44] <joseamunoz> thanks :)
[11:48] <elkbuntu> tuxmaniac, here?
[11:55] <elkbuntu> we has quorum
[11:56]  * tuxmaniac reports
[11:56] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: yep.
[11:57] <elkbuntu> excellent
[11:58] <amachu> hi
[11:58] <tuxmaniac> amachu: hi
[11:59] <amachu> Hello every one!
[11:59] <persia> Do we also have lousygarua?
[11:59] <joseamunoz> amachu: Hi
[11:59] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia: lifeless: Hi
[11:59] <amachu> TheMuso: Hi
[11:59] <TheMuso> hi amachu
[12:00] <amachu> belutz and zakame?
[12:01] <amachu> aanjan?
[12:01] <tuxmaniac> yes
[12:01] <amachu> hi
[12:01] <tuxmaniac> hi
[12:02] <lifeless> hi amachu
[12:02] <amachu> amireldor?
[12:02] <amachu> joseamunoz: Hi
[12:02] <amachu> Fine then..
[12:02] <joseamunoz> amachu: Hi
[12:02] <amachu> We shall start...
[12:02] <amachu> we have quorum today :-)
[12:02] <persia> \o/
[12:03] <amachu> tuxmaniac: Please go ahead introducing yourself and your contributions to the Board
[12:03] <tuxmaniac> amachu: thank you.
[12:03]  * tuxmaniac starts
[12:03] <tuxmaniac> Hello Everybody. This is Aanjhan Ranganathan (pronounced as Anjan) currently residing in Chennai, India.
[12:04] <tuxmaniac> I have updated my wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Aanjhan ) with most of the information about my relationship with Free Software and more specifically Ubuntu. Having given an opportunity now to say a few words, I would like to highlight a few contributions.
[12:04] <tuxmaniac> Major contributions have been towards the Ubuntu India loCO team and the MOTU Science team.
[12:05] <tuxmaniac> Been with the LoCo team ever since it was formed. Major work includes adminstering the Server (movement from old canonical server to our own new server was one major task recently accomplished), recently conducted a couple of Bug Jam preparatory sessions along with good friends techno_freak and slytherin on IRC.
[12:05] <tuxmaniac> and the Global bug Jam also was well received among the local community. We stood 5th in thenumber of bugs triaged.. Yay! :-)
[12:06] <tuxmaniac> As with the MOTU Science team, I have been actively involved in constantly monitoring the Debian packages and trying to maintain sync between Debian and Ubuntu wrt these packages.
[12:06] <tuxmaniac> these == science packages.
[12:07] <tuxmaniac> Also have packaged a few software like Alliance, Magic, IRSIM, gResistor which are all lying in REVU and Debian Mentors due to license issues (expecting an update from upstream). Helped triaging bugs related to Science packages especially Electronics related.
[12:07] <tuxmaniac> I have also submitted a few debdiffs, .diff.gz for sponsorship into the Universe repos
[12:08] <tuxmaniac> the most recent being for bug 260158 today morning :-)
[12:08] <tuxmaniac> I also have been blogging for nearly two years now and have done several posts under the Category "Ubuntu" which gets fed to Ubuntu Webblogs. One can find my blog at http://blog.tuxmaniac.com Apart from this I go to Universities in India and evangelise Ubuntu and Free Software (more specifically Electronic CAD tools)
[12:09] <tuxmaniac> My road ahead with Ubuntu: I find very few people who are looking into core Science packages and often these are the ones I beleive are left not updated. Hence, my focus will be on Maintaning the sync with Debian and upstream and also package new science tools that would make Ubuntu, a better distro for Engineers and Scientists as well. eventually I am targetting in becoming a MOTU and continuously support the Ubuntu India LoCo in all it
[12:09] <elkbuntu> cropped
[12:09] <elkbuntu> "India LoCo in all i"
[12:10] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: where? I am seeing it on the screen
[12:10] <elkbuntu> tuxlinux, the last line you said. you will see it all because you wrote it. it's other people's clients that crop it
[12:10] <tuxmaniac> aah ok :-)
[12:11] <elkbuntu> errr, tuxmaniac ^^
[12:11] <elkbuntu> but, you've said alot already
[12:11] <elkbuntu> +1 from me on motu and bug work, as well as rallying others to do the same
[12:11] <tuxmaniac> can I mention a few words about acouple of people who helped me get this far?
[12:11] <TheMuso> Straight +1 from me also. I thought you were already a member I've seen your nick around a fair bit in the last year or so. Great work, and keep it up!
[12:11] <elkbuntu> we seem to have lost amachu
[12:12] <tuxmaniac> TheMuso: thanks
[12:12] <persia> +1 from me based on work done (bugs, patches), active involvement with LoCo team including presentations and appearances, and excelent testimonials on the wiki page (plus leftover bias from my +1 opinion a fortnight ago)
[12:13] <elkbuntu> amachu, do you need scrollback or do you know this clown well enough? ;)
[12:13]  * tuxmaniac wants to mention and thanks Laserjock and bddebian for their continuous support extended
[12:13] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: hehe
[12:13] <lifeless> tuxmaniac: I get a theme of strong coding work
[12:13] <amachu> I am also in Chennai, and I know his contributions
[12:13]  * elkbuntu suspected as much
[12:13] <lifeless> I;m interested in your community contributions more, for this council
[12:13] <amachu> we belong to same LUG
[12:13]  * techno_freak cheers tuxmaniac :)
[12:14] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: as in to the Ubuntu India loco?
[12:14] <lifeless> for instance
[12:14] <elkbuntu> lifeless, i believe he has done this. his visits to the unis and organising the bug jam things are community
[12:14] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: well in general if you consider Free software community, I have been presenting a lot on Free Software Science tools to a lot of Universities.
[12:15] <lifeless> elkbuntu: bug jam is kinda blurry; but don't get me started
[12:15] <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, D/U Project Day ;)
[12:15] <elkbuntu> lifeless, that shouldnt make the intent any less
[12:15] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: http://tuxmaniac.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=26 <-- has the presentations made
[12:15] <tuxmaniac> those dont have the duplicate presentations made at other places
[12:16] <lifeless> elkbuntu: I think we all need to apply our own judgement here, I'm not criticising your opinions; allow me the latitude to ask the questions to form mine, please.
[12:16] <tuxmaniac> and as techno_freak mentioned, we organised Debian Ubuntu Project day at FOSS.in last year. where we got several people from both debian and ubuntu communities to talk and share ideas. We had a Ubuntu Stall and distributed stickers etc
[12:16] <elkbuntu> point taken
[12:16] <amachu> elkbuntu: only smart diff is that I am more into language mode..
[12:17] <lifeless> ok, I'm +1
[12:18] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: thank you.
[12:18] <amachu> +1 from me too.
[12:19] <tuxmaniac> thanks amachu
[12:19] <lifeless> The thing that makes me plus one is the organising of things
[12:19] <lifeless> rather than doing individual talks (many active coders talk about their interests :)).
[12:19] <amachu> lifeless: organising of things?
[12:20] <lifeless> e.g. debian/ubuntu project day at FOSS.in
[12:20] <lifeless> amachu: ^
[12:20] <tuxmaniac> lifeless: techno_freak and slytherin have been very helpful in that. So we could do a lot of things
[12:20] <elkbuntu> we still have two more people to do, lets not make them wait
[12:21] <amachu> TheMuso: ?
[12:21] <TheMuso> amachu: I've given my vote, +1.
[12:22] <amachu> fine then, tuxmaniac - Welcome!
[12:22]  * tuxmaniac jumps in joy!
[12:22] <tuxmaniac> thanks everybody
[12:22] <amachu> let me call, amireldor
[12:22] <techno_freak> congrats tuxmaniac :)
[12:23] <tuxmaniac> thanks techno_freak
[12:23] <amachu> amireldor doesn't seem to be here
[12:23] <amachu> joseamunoz: are you there?
[12:23] <joseamunoz> amachu: yes
[12:23] <amachu> please go ahead presenting yourself and your contributions to Ubuntu
[12:24] <joseamunoz> Hi All, first of all I would like to sorry for my English. (I'm not native)
[12:24] <joseamunoz> I am 35 and I live in Madrid
[12:25] <joseamunoz> I started with computing engineering 15 years ago and I knew Linux 7-8 years ago.
[12:26] <joseamunoz> After playing with several distros, Debian was taught by a colleague of mine 4 years ago
[12:26] <joseamunoz> and also he show me Ubuntu
[12:26] <joseamunoz> I started to play with Ubuntu one year ago and, after two months of enjoying it :)
[12:26] <joseamunoz> I started to write in a very famous Spanish Managazine
[12:27] <joseamunoz> Linux +
[12:27] <joseamunoz> I'm good in systems and networking, although my knowledge in program is very poor
[12:28] <joseamunoz> So, my way to contribute is to show the spanish people how good is Ubuntu distro in different scenarios
[12:28] <joseamunoz> I confirm you I wrote 9 articles and now I'm doing the 10th
[12:28] <lifeless> each article is in a separate edition of the magazine?
[12:29] <joseamunoz> It depends. Last month I wrote 2 articles
[12:29] <joseamunoz> And the one I'm writting now is going to be divided in two parts
[12:29] <joseamunoz> In the professional environment
[12:30] <lifeless> If I may ask, what do you do for employment?
[12:30] <joseamunoz> Do you mean in my job?
[12:31] <lifeless> yes'
[12:31] <joseamunoz> Right now I'm IT Manager in the Air Liquide Group Company in Spain
[12:31] <lifeless> so these articles are from your own time, not from your job?
[12:32] <joseamunoz> Yes
[12:32] <lifeless> very cool
[12:32] <lifeless> anyone else have questions?
[12:32] <joseamunoz> I would like to add one thing
[12:32] <joseamunoz> :)
[12:32] <lifeless> sure
[12:33] <joseamunoz> I have a friend working in a very important company in Spain (This is reflected in one of the articles)
[12:33] <joseamunoz> This company has implemented Ubuntu
[12:33] <joseamunoz> with Zabbix
[12:33] <joseamunoz> after reading the article and testing the power of Ubuntu
[12:33] <amachu> lifeless: I would like to hear about your involvement with Sapnizh LoCo community
[12:33] <lifeless> amachu: perhaps you mean joseamunoz ?
[12:33] <amachu> lifeless: yes
[12:34] <amachu> :-)
[12:34] <joseamunoz> :)
[12:34] <joseamunoz> Really, I'm very new in the Loco community (Last week), so I don't have to many to offer. I'm talking with the responsibles
[12:34] <joseamunoz> to do asap documentation
[12:34] <joseamunoz> and to be involved in their projects
[12:35] <joseamunoz> I really like the CUPIE one
[12:35] <joseamunoz> One I like is to teach and offer people my knowledge
[12:35] <joseamunoz> and I think CUPIE will make me happy
[12:35] <elkbuntu> joseamunoz, your wikipage kind of mentions bug reporting and QA. how many bugs have you reported?
[12:35] <joseamunoz> I hope to be involved ASAP
[12:36] <joseamunoz> From the time I'm using ubuntu about 10-15 (not too much)
[12:36] <joseamunoz> I always try to fix or to find a workaround and
[12:36] <joseamunoz> share it asap
[12:37] <joseamunoz> As I told you, I'm not good in code or programming
[12:37] <joseamunoz> only system problems of functionality are the ones I usually report
[12:37] <joseamunoz> About QA, I have 4 years of experience, so
[12:38] <joseamunoz> although it is not my passion, I will be happy to help doing some test
[12:38] <joseamunoz> This is me :)
[12:39] <joseamunoz> I think thats all. If you have any question...
[12:39] <lifeless> any other questions?
[12:40] <amachu> elkbuntu: persia: TheMuso: ?
[12:40] <TheMuso> No questions from me.
[12:41] <persia> No, I don't have any questions.
[12:41] <amachu> joseamunoz: and I cannot get the info on CUPIE, its in spanish. whats its about briefly?
[12:42] <persia> I'm very pleased with the articles, but without history of involvement in the LoCo, history of work with the Documentation, Translation, or QA teams, or much else beyond the articles, I'm feeling there isn't quite enough to vote +1.
[12:43] <joseamunoz> C.U.P.I.E. is a Spanish project to extend the Ubuntu knowledge as much as possible
[12:43] <amachu> joseamunoz: ok. Thank You.
[12:43] <joseamunoz> https://launchpad.net/~cupie
[12:43] <elkbuntu> sorry, my bip proxy disconnected me again. did my vote get through?
[12:43] <elkbuntu> persia has worded my vote much better than I did, so i'm just going to point to what he said and say 'me too'
[12:43] <lifeless> I think the consistent effort over time of the articles is enough for a +1 - consistent over time is one of the most important things
[12:44] <joseamunoz> Thanks
[12:44] <lifeless> so my vote is +1
[12:44] <persia> Indeed.  The articles are excellent, and it's very nice to seem them continuing.
[12:45] <amachu> I would like to see joseamunoz's involvement with community more..
[12:45] <elkbuntu> i agree the articles are good, but i havent read them.
[12:45] <joseamunoz> anachu: I will do
[12:45] <amachu> independently its great to have contributed through articles on Ubuntu
[12:46] <elkbuntu> by good i mean, a good contribution.
[12:46] <amachu> joseamunoz: are there people here to back you?
[12:47] <joseamunoz> amachu: no
[12:47] <elkbuntu> however, i dont know if they're quality or not. i can point to many ubuntu articles that are less than ideal.
[12:47] <amachu> would have also been great had the wiki been provided with few Testimonials
[12:47] <joseamunoz> I can confirm you all the articles are deeply reviewed
[12:47] <joseamunoz> before being published
[12:48] <joseamunoz> but, it is difficult to show here
[12:48] <elkbuntu> amachu, the wikipage i think is sadly taking up a url that could be better used too :(
[12:49] <joseamunoz> If you go to the <here> link, you will see the last two months
[12:49] <joseamunoz> with my publications
[12:49] <joseamunoz> http://www.lpmagazine.org/prt/view/pag-prin.html
[12:49] <amachu> joseamunoz: the contributions are continuos and independent. Its great. Had there been one or two here to back your efforts, would have
[12:50] <amachu> it would have been great, and would have added value in giving +1
[12:51] <joseamunoz> thanks
[12:51] <amachu> TheMuso: ?
[12:51] <TheMuso> I think +0 as well. I haven't read articles so I am unsure of their quality, but some testimonials would have been nice. Please keep up your efforts however, and return to us when you think you have more to present to us.
[12:52] <joseamunoz> ok. thanks for your time
[12:52] <joseamunoz> I will do
[12:52] <lifeless> uhm
[12:52] <amachu> joseamunoz: thanks for turning up today. would like to see you back with a strong back up
[12:52] <lifeless> protocol question
[12:52] <elkbuntu> joseamunoz, you have good potential
[12:52] <lifeless> what do we need for approval, as a total ?
[12:53] <lifeless> consensus, >0 ? > 2 ? no negatives ?
[12:53] <joseamunoz> thanks
[12:54] <amachu> lifeless: we are seven in board, four in favour should do good, if all seven present
[12:54] <amachu> nod from four is the protocol
[12:56] <persia> I think +4 is good.
[12:56] <joseamunoz> I let you now. Thanks again for your time and see you next time. I will prepare myself with a strong background for the next months
[12:56] <amachu> tuxmaniac: Welcoming you again
[12:56] <persia> I certainly thing joseamunoz is doing excellent work, but just needs a bit more of the newer involvement.
[12:56] <joseamunoz> I hope you will be really happy next time
[12:56] <lifeless> I think > 1/2 of attending members actually, so that if we only have 4, we don't have to be unanimous
[12:56] <amachu> joseamunoz: Best wishes for you. Hoping to see your contributions more and be back :-)
[12:56] <persia> joseamunoz: Looking forward to seeing you again.
[12:57] <joseamunoz> bye :)
[12:57] <amachu> amireldor: there?
[12:57] <persia> lifeless: I'm good 1/2+1 of attending members, so for +3 for 4-5 members and +4 for 6-7 members.
[12:58] <persia> Would that meet your goals?
[12:58] <lifeless> persia: yes, that fits what I was thinking :)
[12:58] <amachu> elkbuntu: what do you feel?
[12:59] <persia> OK.  I just wanted to avoid +2 with 4 or +3 with six, which to me would indicate indecision: perhaps not the best support behind a new member.
[12:59] <elkbuntu> there needs to be a buffer, but i agree .5 is too large a buffer
[13:00] <amachu> TheMuso: ?
[13:00] <TheMuso> makes sense to me
[13:00] <lifeless> persia: > != >= :)
[13:00] <amachu> :-)
[13:01] <amachu> it takes two third of majority on crucial decisions :-)
[13:02] <elkbuntu> i wouldnt call memberships 'crucial'
[13:03] <amachu> I think, minimum quorum need to be met (4 of us present), and 1/2+1 in favour should do good
[13:03] <elkbuntu> how do the other councils manage such situations?
[13:04] <elkbuntu> s/council/board/
[13:04] <amachu> we shall discuss more, may be involving other's opinion also and decide at mailing list
[13:04] <lifeless> did we have a 3rd applicant?
[13:05] <amachu> lifeless: Amir Eldor isn't present
[13:05] <persia> lousygarua signed up, but isn't here.
[13:06] <amachu> persia: fine then. is that all for the day? anything else?
[13:06] <persia> Is everyone OK with the idea that we just always reach quorum?  Does anyone need to miss some meetings?
[13:07] <Seveas> elkbuntu, EMEA wants half+1 of attending, and at least 4 attending members
[13:07] <Seveas> (maybe even at least 5, not sure)
[13:07] <lifeless> same as we're proposing here
[13:07] <elkbuntu> Seveas, thanks. always worth having a standard that we all adhere to
[13:09] <amachu> Seveas: yes. we will confirm with the team too
[13:10] <amachu> We will confirm with other team too...
[13:10] <amachu> is there anything else?
[13:12] <amachu> fine then, it appear all are in deep thinking. let me call off today's meeting
[13:12] <elkbuntu> s/thinking/snoozing/
[13:12] <Seveas> @now sydney
[13:12] <amachu> our next meeting will take place on Sep 02, Tuesday 11.00 UTC
[13:13] <elkbuntu> yes, not quite stupid-o-clock
[13:13] <amachu> thank you everyone for turning out today :-)
[13:14] <tuxmaniac> thank you all for approving my membership.
[13:14] <elkbuntu> tuxmaniac, you deserved it!
[13:15] <TheMuso> thanks
[13:15] <tuxmaniac> elkbuntu: thanks. and just as a sidenote, did you receive my forward reading FOSS.in announcement?
[13:15] <tuxmaniac> regarding*
[13:19] <Igorot> heh, dinner. day-off ako ngayon
[13:20] <Igorot> er.. sorry guys. wrong channel
[13:20] <lifeless> well gnight the
[15:02] <mdz> #startmeeting
[15:02]  * ogra woders which one ... nothing on the fridge
[15:03] <mdz> tech board, which has been in this time slot every 2 weeks for ages
[15:03] <mdz> I don't know why the fridge doesn't know about it or how to fix that; if you do, please help
[15:03] <ogra> but nobody bothered to update the frdge ... community meetings somewhat relyon the fridge schedule for this room
[15:04] <ogra> hmm, there was a mail addy to poke ...
[15:04]  * ogra digs
[15:05] <mdz> agenda items: 1. status of cdrtools discussion, 2. gobby co-maintenance with Debian, 3. revisiting limited upload privileges for kernel and printing packages
[15:06] <ogra> oh, nobody has put 2.6.27 up ?
[15:06] <sabdfl> hello all
[15:06] <mdz> I asked pgraner about 2.6.27 this morning and he said that we should discuss after he discusses with the team
[15:06] <ogra> ah
[15:07] <mdz> there is still active discussion on the mailing list and I think it would be premature to take it to the tech board to resolve
[15:07] <jjesse> @schedule Detroit
[15:07] <mdz> agenda items: 1. status of cdrtools discussion, 2. gobby co-maintenance with Debian, 3. revisiting limited upload privileges for kernel and printing packages, 4. board membership/nominations
[15:08] <mdz> despite the fridge not knowing about it, this is the regularly scheduled meeting of the Ubuntu Technical Board
[15:08] <jjesse> sorry to interupt
[15:08] <ogra> just mailing fridge-devel
[15:08] <mdz> jjesse: no problem, I'll see about getting that fixed after the meeting
[15:08] <mdz> oh, thanks ogra
[15:08] <james_w> ogra, mdz: news-team now
[15:08] <james_w> fridge-devel is dead
[15:08] <mdz> MootBot seems to be unresponsive at the moment
[15:09] <mdz> [TOPIC] status of cdrtools discussion
[15:09] <ogra> james_w, oh, the fridge still links it automatically for adding events ... thanks
[15:09] <sabdfl> afaik joerg hasn't responded to my suggestion that we both agree to respect an SFLC finding
[15:09] <mdz> sabdfl proposed getting an opinion from the SFLC, but has asked Joerg to agree to make it binding before going to that trouble and expense
[15:10] <mdz> after a week or so, he asked what was happening, and this was restated
[15:10] <mdz> I haven't seen a response to that yet
[15:11] <mdz> anything else on this topic?
[15:11] <sabdfl> we could see if the Sun folks are interested in that analysis too, which would make it binding on joerg in all the places where it is shipped or under consideration
[15:12] <mdz> I don't have any contacts there, and as I recall, Joerg didn't seem to either
[15:12] <sabdfl> i'll mail sun
[15:12] <sabdfl> nothing else form me on that front
[15:12] <mdz> [ACTION] sabdfl to contact Sun regarding cdrtools
[15:12] <mdz> [TOPIC] gobby co-maintenance with Debian
[15:13] <mdz> Philipp Kern, maintainer of gobby in Debian, is interested in helping to maintain gobby in Ubuntu main
[15:13] <mdz> he's a MOTU since October 2007
[15:14] <ogra> (and was very helpful in edubuntu in the past)
[15:14] <mdz> he hasn't contacted us directly, but spoke to sabdfl at DebConf
[15:15] <mdz> I'm happy for us to consider granting special upload privileges
[15:15] <ogra> i asked to sponsor him for an UDS ... we somehow missed out on that (and i forgot it for prague, sorry)
[15:15] <sabdfl> we've had positive reports of the "limited upload rights" capability from Mario
[15:16] <sabdfl> i explained to pkern that our main concern was folks thinking they had a monopoly on a package
[15:16] <sabdfl> he seemed very aware of the potential issues and sensitive to the ubuntu style
[15:16] <ogra> well, he surely knows the code best as upstream would be my counter argument
[15:16] <sabdfl> his point, that he could maintain it while it was in universe as a MOTU but no longer can help since it moved to main, is very valid
[15:17] <sabdfl> ogra: i don't follow?
[15:17] <sabdfl> is pkern also an upstream for gobby?
[15:17] <ogra> sabdfl, pkern wrote gobby
[15:17] <ogra> right
[15:17] <sabdfl> aha
[15:17] <ogra> and he is been a very active and helpful motu in the past as well, he surely knows the ubuntu way
[15:18] <sabdfl> anyhow, i'm +1 in this case, and generally positive this sort of approach where we believe someone understands ubuntu and is sensitive to the idea that they don't have a monopoly
[15:18] <ogra> (i'm not as active in motu myself to judge his recent participation though)
[15:18] <mdz> as Debian maintainer and upstream he surely knows the package well enough, and MOTU is sufficient to me to affirm that he knows the basics of how things work in Ubuntu
[15:18] <mdz> I think it's fine, +1
[15:18] <mdz> [ACTION] mdz to arrange upload rights for gobby for pkern
[15:19] <mdz> [TOPIC] revisiting limited upload privileges for kernel and printing packages
[15:19] <mdz> on a similar note, we've granted core-dev privileges to a couple of MOTUs interested in working with specific packages in main
[15:20] <mdz> with the proviso that they were to follow standard sponsorship processes for other packages
[15:20] <sabdfl> till, tim gardner,... ?
[15:20] <mdz> now that Launchpad has the capability to implement this directly, I think we should revisit this and just grant those specific upload rights
[15:20] <mdz> sabdfl: yes
[15:21] <mdz> thoughts?
[15:21] <sabdfl> +1 from me, are there any other?
[15:21] <mdz> I believe that's all
[15:21] <persia> Those are the only two people I know of that have had restrictions requested at the time of approval.
[15:21] <sabdfl> at the moment, our options for permissions are: component ("main") and package ("linux-2.4.27")
[15:22] <sabdfl> how valuable would it be to be able to have groups of packages handled in this way?
[15:22]  * ogra would propose stgraber for italc uploads but i guess he needs to ask himself first
[15:22] <sabdfl> like: "java-core" or "gnome-desktop", where those package sets can be defined and refined on an ongoing basis?
[15:22] <mdz> with the ArchiveReorganisation plan, upload rights would map to seeds, which provide a nice way to group packages
[15:22] <mdz> I think that would be sufficient for this use case as well
[15:23] <persia> That helps for gnome-desktop, but not for e.g. java-core or mozilla
[15:23] <mdz> they've thought through the questions about how changes in dependencies, etc. would be dealt with
[15:23] <mdz> persia: I see no reason it couldn't be applied that way
[15:23] <persia> mdz: OK.  That works.
[15:23] <mdz> splitting java packages out of a more general seed for access control seems reasonable
[15:24] <mdz> I expect that we would do this on logical groups of packages, rather than random collections of them, anyway
[15:24] <persia> Certainly, and likely only for groups of packages with existing maintainer groups.
[15:24] <sabdfl> i would expect package sets could be aggregations of other package sets
[15:24] <mdz> like the java and mozilla examples
[15:24] <sabdfl> "server includes java core"
[15:24] <mdz> sabdfl: seeds are hierarchical as well
[15:24] <sabdfl> cool
[15:25] <sabdfl> ok, that's useful info, i'll try and get to Colin w.r.t. ArchiveReorganisation
[15:25] <persia> Some Java-core is desktop only, but that's mostly irrelevant to this discussion.
[15:25] <mdz> desktop includes standard includes minimal etc.
[15:25] <sabdfl> thanks
[15:25] <mdz> ok, I'll follow up with Tim and Till
[15:26] <mdz> [ACTION] mdz to follow up regarding upload access control for Tim (kernel) and Till (printing)
[15:26] <mdz> [TOPIC] board membership/nominations
[15:26] <mdz> sabdfl asked for nominations from the community, and received a fair number of responses
[15:27] <sabdfl> i haven't approached any of the nominees to establish their willingness to serve
[15:27] <mdz> is that the next step?
[15:28] <sabdfl> i would only approach some of them, need to take a view on the ones we think would make great candidates
[15:29] <mdz> I've weighed in on all of them
[15:31] <mdz> [ACTION] sabdfl to contact the candidates and confirm their interest
[15:31] <sabdfl> ok, i will contact the ones we think would be good, and see if they are willing to stand in a vote
[15:31] <mdz> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:31] <mdz> anything else?
[15:32] <mdz> ok, thanks all
[15:32] <mdz> #endmeeting
[15:36] <sabdfl> thanks mdz
[15:36] <ogra> thanks
[15:48] <nijaba> @now
[15:52] <jjesse> finlly a server team mtg i remember
[15:58] <mathiaz> hello !
[15:58] <nijaba> o/
[15:59] <zul> hi
[16:02] <mathiaz> anyone around for the meeting ? (except zul nijaba and jjesse) ?
[16:03] <jjesse> nope :)
[16:03] <nijaba> we feel lonely today
[16:03] <dendrobates> o/
[16:03] <jjesse> i saw dendrobates join the channel
[16:03] <mathiaz> well - let's get started
[16:03] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:03] <soren> o/
[16:04] <soren> -ENOMOOTBOT
[16:04] <mathiaz> hm - MootBot doesn't seem to be around :/
[16:04] <nijaba> not even a bot for the meeting
[16:04] <dendrobates> hello mootbot!
[16:04] <soren> That's the worst turnout evar.
[16:04] <Koon> o/
[16:04] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:05] <mathiaz> I wasn't there last week - and haven't seen any minutes
[16:05] <mathiaz> is there anything left from last meeting ?
[16:05] <Hobbsee> mathiaz: it's responding in PM, so...
[16:05] <Hobbsee> #start meeting
[16:05] <Hobbsee> hmm
[16:05] <jjesse> mootbot didn't work in the tech board mtg held previously
[16:06] <mathiaz> so nothing from last week meeting
[16:06] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:06] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap
[16:07] <mathiaz> As you may know, Thursday is FeatureFreeze for Intrepid
[16:07] <mathiaz> The current roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[16:08] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu VM builder
[16:08] <mathiaz> soren: ?
[16:08] <soren> I'm going to upload something tonight.
[16:09] <mathiaz> soren: do you plan to blog about it ? or write up some documentation ?
[16:09] <soren> I'm trying hard to squeeze in all the features I've been thinking of, and then expect to polish them after Thursday.
[16:09] <soren> mathiaz: I'm adding a lot of API documentation inline.
[16:09] <soren> I'm trying to get pydoc to generate some external API docs for me.
[16:10]  * nijaba hugs soren
[16:10] <mathiaz> soren: great !
[16:10] <soren> but that's new territory to me, so I need to wrap my head around that first.
[16:10] <soren> It doesn't seem very complicated, though.
[16:10]  * nijaba feels bad to have not made more time for uvb
[16:10] <mathiaz> soren: writing documentation ?
[16:10] <zul> writing documentation sucks
[16:10] <sommer> :(
[16:11] <nijaba> zul: do you mean to say something to sommer?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: are you planning to update your tutorial about uvb ?
[16:11]  * Koon hugs sommer and shields him from zul's mentos throwing
[16:11] <nijaba> mathiaz: which one?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: once soren uploaded his work ?
[16:11] <soren> mathiaz: Well, getting on top of the documentation system.
[16:11] <nijaba> mathiaz: I'll gladly make one
[16:11] <mathiaz> nijaba: you wrote a tutorial about uvb for hardy (the one published in the linux jounral IIRC)
[16:12] <nijaba> mathiaz: no uvb in that one
[16:12] <nijaba> mathiaz: but I could definitely update it to include uvb
[16:12] <mathiaz> nijaba: ah right - it was about jeos
[16:13] <mathiaz> sommer: which section should be updated in the server guide to cover the new uvb stuff from soren ?
[16:13] <nijaba> mathiaz: the virtualization section
[16:13] <sommer> yep the virt section
[16:14] <sommer> it's on my list to update... I was thinking next week?
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: seems like a good plan
[16:14] <sommer> o//
[16:14] <mathiaz> the next step is for soren to upload his new stuff
[16:14] <mathiaz> then sommer and nijaba can start to have a look at it and update the documentation
[16:15]  * nijaba agrees
[16:15] <soren> Right on.
[16:15] <dendrobates> sommer: did you get  a chance to add the bit about support at the end?
[16:15] <dendrobates> sommer: or was I suposed to write it?
[16:16] <sommer> dendrobates: no haven't had a chance yet, it's still on the list though
[16:16] <nealmcb> OOPS - I forgot the minutes.  Here are two actions.   [ACTION] ScottK will post a blog request for help with the ClamavSpamassasssin MIRs
[16:16] <nealmcb> [ACTION] tarvid to summarize drupal issues and propose something to the mailing list
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: great - thanks for running last week meeting
[16:18] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I haven't seen any drupal email
[16:19] <nealmcb> I'll get the transcript on the web at least - harder without mootbot.  but I didn't even follow up on why mootbot wasn't working last week.  too much going on.....
[16:19]  * nealmcb sighs
[16:19] <mathiaz> nealmcb: ok - you can get the logs from irclogs.ubuntu.com
[16:19] <mathiaz> nealmcb: that's were I grab them usually
[16:19]  * nealmcb nods
[16:20] <mathiaz> so any action on uvb ?
[16:20] <mathiaz> nijaba: to write a tutorial ?
[16:20] <mathiaz> sommer: to update the virtualization section ?
[16:20] <nijaba> yep
[16:20] <nealmcb> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/19/%23ubuntu-meeting.html - to be sliced up later....
[16:20] <sommer> sure
[16:21] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to write a tutorial about the uvb
[16:21] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to update the virtualization section of the server guide with references to uvb
[16:21] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I usually use the .txt version
[16:21] <mathiaz> nealmcb: rather than the .html
[16:22] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:22] <mathiaz> sommer: how is it going on this front ?
[16:23] <sommer> mathiaz: good almost have the cn=config stuff updated in the openldap section
[16:23] <sommer> basically only need adding new schemas, and to update the samba and ldap section
[16:24] <jjesse> sommer: let me know if there are section i can help w/
[16:24] <mathiaz> sommer: sections that need review are marked in the IntrepidServerGuide wiki page
[16:24] <sommer> jjesse: actually the apache section could use a little love :)
[16:24] <mathiaz> sommer:  is doc.ubuntu.com up-to-date ?
[16:25] <jjesse> sommer: let me look at it
[16:25] <sommer> mathiaz: nope it's quite a few revisions old at this point
[16:25] <nijaba> jjesse: that would be great :)
[16:25] <mathiaz> [ACTION] jjesse to update the apache section of the server guide
[16:26] <mathiaz> sommer: so where is the best place to start reviewing the server guide ?
[16:26] <jjesse> bzr :)
[16:26] <sommer> mathiaz: this is newer than doc.u.c: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/test/serverguide/C/
[16:26] <sommer> but the bzr branch is newer still
[16:27] <sommer> mathiaz: basically at this point there isn't a good online review location
[16:27] <mathiaz> sommer: ok - so check out the bzr branch
[16:27] <mathiaz> sommer: and send reviews to the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[16:28] <sommer> another thing that would be very helpfull is to read through all the sections and upate any path names, package names, etc that may have changed with intrepid
[16:28] <sommer> mathiaz: yeppers
[16:28] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else on the documentation front ?
[16:29] <sommer> mathiaz: I think that's it... getting closer, heh
[16:29] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome - thanks and keep up the good work !
[16:29] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Tomcat6 server stack support
[16:29] <mathiaz> Koon: ^ ?
[16:30] <Koon> Tomcat 6.0.18 was uploaded to fix a few security issues that were disclosed a few weeks ago
[16:30] <Koon> I've filed the required MIRs since it is a main target
[16:31] <Koon> next step after MIR is seed inclusion, then tasksel. Those will probably appear after FF
[16:31] <Koon> no feedback so far. I guess we should blog about it at one point
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: right - would you write a blog post for the ubuntuserver blog ?
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: I can create an account for you and publish it once it's ready
[16:32] <Koon> mathiaz: sure, as soon as I'm done with wbem, which probably means after FF
[16:32] <mathiaz> Koon: ok
[16:33] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Koon to write a post about tomcat6 for ubuntuserver blog
[16:33] <mathiaz> Koon: you mentionned that tomcat6 pulls in a lot of dependencies
[16:34] <mathiaz> Koon: if we want to put on the -server isos, do we have enough space on it ?
[16:34] <Koon> mathiaz: the unecessary stuff is pulled in through Recommends
[16:35] <Koon> but there are a few that should be fixed before seed includion
[16:35] <Koon> the lib*-java -> java2-runtime Depends in particular
[16:35] <cjwatson> recommends is pulled onto CDs just as much as depends at the moment
[16:35] <mathiaz> cjwatson: is this going to change ?
[16:36] <Koon> cjwatson, mathiaz: I've filed bugs to fix those dependency issues, it's more a matter of sponsoring / doko approval
[16:36] <dendrobates> Koon: adding it to the seed will force us to fix it.  So do it asap.
[16:37] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - so work is under way. Can this wait after FF ?
[16:37] <Koon> mathiaz: I don't expect the MIRs to be processed by then, and seed work comes after that ?
[16:37] <cjwatson> mathiaz: we may add some kind of exception mechanism, but not in general
[16:38] <mathiaz> Koon: right - I was refering to the Recommends -> Suggests patches
[16:38] <cjwatson> Koon: doko's on holiday - best to find somebody else
[16:38] <Koon> mathiaz: those are bugs, so I guess they can wait for after FF. I want to fix them for alpha-5 though
[16:39] <Koon> cjwatson: noted.
[16:39] <nijaba> cjwatson: is our traditional maintainer for Java, so I would guess he'd like to have a word about his types of changes, no?
[16:39] <nijaba> s/is our/Doko is our/
[16:40] <Koon> doko insisted in having lib*-java packages recomment lib*-java-gcj, which pulls in all non-headless gcj in server installs
[16:40] <cjwatson> nijaba: indeed, and it would be a bad idea to make changes we know he hates in his absence, but we don't need to have individuals have a lock on packages in Ubuntu
[16:40] <Koon> so there is some discussion to have with him I suppose
[16:40] <nijaba> cjwatson: point taken
[16:40] <cjwatson> Koon: IIRC from the bug there were some possible tweaks there without having to drop all the recommends
[16:40] <mathiaz> Koon: right - I guess that should be taken to the Ubuntu Jave team then
[16:40] <cjwatson> e.g. adjusting the -headless recommends target
[16:41] <Koon> anyway, I've filed bugs (1 pending), most of them are no-brainers that can have someone else sponsoring them
[16:42] <Koon> the remaining two might be conflictual
[16:42] <mathiaz> Koon: can you forward the list of bugs to me ? I'll have a look at sponsoring them
[16:42] <Koon> mathiaz: will do (and will file the last conflictual one)
[16:43] <mathiaz> Koon: great - if you could subscribe me to the bug in LP that would be helpful
[16:43] <mathiaz> Koon: anything else on tomcat6 ?
[16:44] <Koon> cjwatson: do you mind if I ping you sometime on the two conflictual issue so that you check if they should wait for doko's return or not ?
[16:44] <Koon> mathiaz: no.
[16:44] <cjwatson> Koon: sure, please e-mail
[16:44] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to sponsor Koon patches
[16:44] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:44] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UFW Package Integration
[16:44] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ^ ?
[16:45] <jdstrand> the ufw portion is basically done, with a few minor things I'd like to adjust. People can look at the Roadmap to see what packages need updating to integrate with ufw
[16:45] <nealmcb> see also the discussion on that last week
[16:45] <jdstrand> yes, I am assuming people have seen that ;)
[16:46] <nealmcb> The other big discussion from last week, which did make it on to the mailing list, was Rails Integration and Rubygems
[16:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: great - thanks
[16:47] <jdstrand> basically, see ServerTeam/Roadmap on what to update, and UbuntuFirewall for details on how to do it
[16:47] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Rails and Rubygems
[16:47] <mathiaz> macd: ^ ?
[16:47] <macd> Im here
[16:47] <macd> Looks like passenger needs a few changes as pointed out on REVU
[16:48] <macd> I sent NeilW an email (think he might be on vacation)
[16:48] <mathiaz> Right - the passenger package looks in good shape - NeilW updated the package
[16:48] <mathiaz> I haven't had time yet to review the package
[16:48] <macd> I saw your review from aug-22 and stevenk from aug 26
[16:48] <nealmcb> macd: good job on getting discussion going!
[16:48] <mathiaz> there was some discussion about rubygems and the solution to use update-alternated
[16:48] <nxvl> jdstrand: that integration must be done before FF?
[16:48] <macd> nealmcb, I had to hit the ML for some visibility
[16:49] <macd> mathiaz, yes I saw that, and that looks to be the middle ground we need
[16:49] <jdstrand> nxvl: yes
[16:49] <nxvl> ok
[16:49] <macd> so it looks that if the pass changes are made and the rubygems changes that were spoken of are made, we can get rails into intrepid in just enough time
[16:50] <macd> And we'll leave tasksel for the next release
[16:50] <macd> Just keep this focused on making sure everything works together when pulled in individually
[16:50] <mathiaz> macd: rails ?
[16:50] <macd> Intrepids rails play pretty nice
[16:50] <mathiaz> macd: my impression from NeilW was that the rails package was not working well
[16:51] <macd> That was due to gem conflicts I _think_
[16:52] <mathiaz> macd: may be - he mentionned that he was planning to get proper gem support in intrepid, but expect people to use gem to install rails
[16:52] <mathiaz> macd: rather then apt-get install rails
[16:52] <macd> mathiaz, well that certainly sounds better to me
[16:53] <macd> mathiaz, gems tend to get updated faster than the release cycle here, I've always thought the distro should have gems and let people manage their gems like perl people do cpan
[16:53] <mathiaz> macd: I'll have a look at the latest package NeilW uploaded to the ubuntu-ruby PPA
[16:53] <macd> mathiaz, great
[16:53] <mathiaz> macd: right - that's what NeilW is trying to accomplish
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:54] <mathiaz> anything else ?
[16:54] <sommer> I spoke too soon doc.u.c has been updated... yay!
[16:54] <sommer> just fyi
[16:56] <nijaba> fyi: bloggers wanted at http://www.workswithu.com/2008/08/22/ubuntu-linux-bloggers-wanted/
[16:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place ?
[16:57] <soren> Yay!
[16:57] <nijaba> +1
[16:58] <sommer> o//
[16:59] <nijaba> \\o
[16:59] <nealmcb> where does ClamavSpamassasssin stand?
[16:59] <mathiaz> great - see you all next week, same time, same place
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[17:00] <soren> Meeting ended at 15:59:58 UTC.
[17:00]  * nijaba hugs mathiaz
[17:00] <nealmcb> soren: :)
[17:00]  * soren has a part time job as MootBot.
[17:00]  * soren didn't know what to do with all his spare time, and there was an opening, so.. Yeah..
[17:00] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all
[17:01] <nealmcb> soren: when you get around to preparing the minutes for my meeting last week I'll really be impressed :)
[17:01] <macd> random question has anyone looked at the fail2ban bug in intrepid
[17:02] <macd> apt wont pull in the updated package from the repos, but manually downloading and installing it fixes
[17:02]  * macd moves to ubuntu-server with this
[17:03] <soren> nealmcb: I'm still proofreading all the stuff the old mootbot guy did. He's good, but I'm sure I'll find something.
[17:55] <nealmcb> #26726
[17:55] <nealmcb> bug 26726
[22:28] <jdong> hi everyone
[22:29] <jacob> hello, my first time making it to one of these in a good while
[22:29] <Technoviking> hi all
[22:30] <forumsmatthew> I made it, but I might have to leave at short notice
[22:30] <Technoviking> forumsmatthew: how was the trip
[22:30] <jdong> jacob: oh, likewise, it's hard to get schedules to match up
[22:31] <forumsmatthew> it's been crazy...I'm living in a hotel and trying to buy a house.
[22:31] <forumsmatthew> everyone is healthy and in good spirits, though
[22:31] <jdong> that's the most important thing :)
[22:31] <jdong> of course, having a house is nice and all.
[22:31] <Technoviking> coolness
[22:31] <jacob> jdong: you've got reasons, i've just been forgetting ;)
[22:32] <forumsmatthew> anyone seen u-g or kiwi?
[22:32] <Technoviking> not yet
[22:33] <Technoviking> lets give them a couple more minutes
[22:33] <jdong> ok
[22:33] <forumsmatthew> ok
[22:35]  * PriceChild waves
[22:35] <Technoviking> hey pricey
[22:35] <jdong> PriceChild: you're late. that's 5 demerits.
[22:36] <PriceChild> jdong: you're ignoring me. That's 10 demerits.
[22:36]  * forumsmatthew waves quickly to avoid demerits
[22:36] <jdong> PriceChild: well.. where's that iMac I wanted for my birthday?
[22:36] <jdong> PriceChild: I thought you cared about me!
[22:36] <jdong> PriceChild: after all that stuff I did for you at night
[22:36] <PriceChild> jdong: you never said!
[22:36] <jdong> like watching the IRC channels
[22:37] <PriceChild> You've been too busy doing stuff you're not allowed to tell us and not paying us any attention.
[22:39] <Technoviking> shall we start we have a quorum
[22:39] <forumsmatthew> I'm ready when you are
[22:40] <Technoviking> jdong?
[22:40] <jdong> good to go
[22:40] <Technoviking> [22:40] <Technoviking> ok the meeting agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[22:40] <Technoviking> is xhhux here?
[22:41] <Technoviking> Would like to put this to bed
[22:41] <Technoviking> Going 1.. 2.. 3..
[22:41] <jdong> did ubuntu-geek say if he's going to be here?
[22:42] <jdong> looking at the second item it seems like he'd be helpful on the technical side of the discussion
[22:42] <Technoviking> jdong: probably still on the way home
[22:43] <PriceChild> the ubuntuforums-staff launchpad group doesn't do anything though does it?
[22:43] <Technoviking> ok xhhux was banned from the forums for creating multiple accounts, the FC gave him a second chance which he wasted in about 30 minutes
[22:43] <PriceChild> eek sorry thought we'd moved on
[22:43] <jdong> did we ever manage to reach him at a valid e-mail address?
[22:43] <jdong> this game is really pushing my patience to its limits
[22:43] <Technoviking> We have invited him to two FC meeting to discuss this issues and he has chosen not to show up
[22:44] <Technoviking> jdong: The last e-mail I sent did not bounce
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> Three...
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> He has had his agenda item removed twice, if I remember correctly
[22:44] <jdong> Technoviking: ok, then let's asssume he has received the notices
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> and he put it back on each time
[22:44] <Technoviking> three meeting, I have lost count
[22:44] <jdong> at this point, I'm not interested in wasting my time playing this game every meeting
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> At this point, I think he is only interested to the extent that he does not have to be accountable for his actions
[22:45] <jdong> until further notice from the FC, xhhux is to stop making accounts at the forums.
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> he isn't interested in actually discussing the problem and seeking a real solution
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> jdong, +1
[22:46] <Technoviking> +1, I will send him e-mail from the best address I can find
[22:47] <jdong> alright, thanks
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> thank you
[22:48] <Technoviking> should we wait for ubuntu-geek or hear what ubuntu-geek has to say
[22:49] <Technoviking> should we wait for ubuntu-geek or hear what jacob has to say (whoops)
[22:49] <jacob> the Launchpad group for LoCo mods is trivial really, someone on the forums had wondered if loco mods were allowed on the staff group
[22:49] <jdong> I think we can start discussing it
[22:49] <jacob> and later it was suggested to just make a new group
[22:49] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to leave soon, so I would prefer to hear about it
[22:49] <jdong> the "whether it's technically feasible" part would need Ryan's advice though
[22:50] <jdong> but we can leave that for later
[22:50] <jacob> jdong: afaik, the current staff launchpad group isn't integrated into the forums either, so this wouldn't be too difficult to get going
[22:50] <Technoviking> this in Launchpad or a forums group?
[22:50] <forumsmatthew> My thought is that it is better to leave the current forums staff group on Launchpad exclusive to global mods and admins, but
[22:51] <jacob> Technoviking: Launchpad
[22:51] <forumsmatthew> we can add a new group for loco staff
[22:51] <jdong> jacob: ok, it's a LP group
[22:51] <jacob> Technoviking: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=899138 for reference
[22:52] <jacob> maybe just a simple ubuntufourms-loco-staff group, added as a subgroup of ubuntuforums-staff
[22:52] <forumsmatthew> for the record, I am okay with the idea....sorry, I have to leave now
[22:53] <forumsmatthew> hopefully I can get settled in before the next meeting. :)
[22:53] <jdong> how do subgroups work?
[22:53] <jacob> forumsmatthew: bye :)
[22:53] <jdong> I'm not sure if it's the right relationship
[22:53] <jacob> jdong: you can add a group as a member of another group
[22:53] <jdong> i.e. how is the Ubuntu MOTU Contributors vs Ubuntu MOTU team set up?
[22:53] <Technoviking> I would just suggest ubuntufourms-loco-staff that is owned by the FC group
[22:53] <jacob> and anyone who is a member of the subgroup is effectively members of both
[22:54] <jdong> I think it should be owned by the FC group
[22:54] <jdong> but I'm not sure if it should be a subgroup of the staff group
[22:54] <jacob> that's okay with me
[22:54] <Technoviking> The top subgroup is a member of its child group I believe
[22:54] <jdong> unless we have a "ubuntuforums-core-staff" group
[22:54] <jdong> I'm concerned it might get confusing who's staff and who's loco staff
[22:55] <jacob> jdong: sounds fine, having too many groups will get confusing
[22:55] <Technoviking> jdong: agreed
[22:55] <jdong> ok, then I think a separate loco-staff group owned by the FC is more appropriate
[22:57] <Technoviking> and maybe loco-forum-mods or loco-forum-volenteers is a better term, so not to be confused with forums staff
[22:57] <jdong> "ubuntuforums-loco-mods"?
[22:57] <jacob> sounds good
[22:58] <Technoviking> +1
[22:58] <Technoviking> lets mkae sure to have ubuntu-geek and kiwi read the log of the meeting and make sure there is no problem
[22:59] <jdong> ok
[23:00] <Technoviking> coolness
[23:00] <Technoviking> anything else?
[23:00] <jacob> i was about to ask "What about Jane Sample?" but then something sunk in...
[23:00] <Technoviking> :)
[23:01] <jdong> jacob: LOL likewise
[23:02] <Technoviking>  ok, thanks for coming everyone
[23:02] <jacob> quick meeting, good
[23:02] <Technoviking>


[10:05] <elacheche> So, I have a question, I think that I'll just drop my question here, maybe someone can answer me :)
[10:05] <elacheche> The question was sent to #Icinga
 Hey guys! So, am not using Icinga yet.. But I was thinking about it for a while.. I'm just looking for an exact feature that can make my days easier.. Is there a feature (built-in or plugin) that can draw the architecture of my servers, with informations about services in every server, location, is bare metal or a VPS, is it connected to other servers, etc..
 Even if I should write those informations myself it'll be OK, I need just something that can convert the information to a good looking and understandable architecture graph??
[10:22] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[10:26] <elacheche> Hey Kilos :)


[00:03] <dcushman> How can a *NIX n00b developer with 20+ years of professional software development get up to speed and make a useful contribution?
[00:03] <directhex> okay, moving here was step 1 ;)
[00:03] <dcushman> I follow direction well :)
[00:03] <directhex> there are a few options open to you, each has its own answers to your question
[00:04] <directhex> * developer, * packager, * translator, * bug maintenance & QA, * general advocacy stuff
[00:04] <directhex> where do you see yourself wanting to focus your skill set?
[00:06] <dcushman> Well, I am pretty sure I could help out with new development or maintenance. Also pretty good at writing/implementing test plans.
[00:07] <lajjr> dcushman: go for developer
[00:07] <dcushman> Happy to do packaging also. Pretty much have done everything since Assembly on 6501 :)
[00:08] <directhex> okay, it sounds like your first target should be to pick a Free Software app you like. which might sound obvious, but it's not needed for the advocacy role
[00:08] <dcushman> I just want to help where it's needed.
[00:08] <directhex> pick something you make use of, and you're in a position to say "X isn't quite right, it should be better"
[00:08] <lajjr> same here.
[00:09] <dcushman> So better to just focus on an app, than to contribute to the big picture? Just want to make for sure I understand your suggestion.
[00:09] <directhex> generally speaking, the quality of work on something you're passionate about is much higher than "general" stuff you might not have intimate knowledge of
[00:10] <dcushman> Very good point
[00:10] <directhex> the best generalist roles are packager-related, but it sounds like you're more of a developer, which means i'd recommend you pick an app to contribute towards
[00:10] <directhex> what's your current programming background?
[00:11] <dcushman> .NET Developer currently focusing (Employment) on WCF/WF. Moving to DSL Modeling with Oslo/Quadrant. Language skills C#/Python/Ruby/PHP/Light on Perl.
[00:12] <directhex> and are you running ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu...?
[00:12] <dcushman> Software Architect is my current role. Running Jaunty on 3 boxes. Small 5 node Hadoop cluster on Jaunty server.
[00:13] <directhex> okay. looking to work on desktop-related things? they're typically the most visible
[00:13] <dcushman> User of Ubuntu since 5.04/linux since early days
[00:14] <dcushman> Sure. But mostly just looking for something that matters to more than my companies bottom line
[00:14] <dcushman> :)
[00:15] <dcushman> I would say, I'm not that great at UI development.
[00:15] <directhex> okay. judging by your skill set, i'm going to suggest a few apps you could look at - and the ways to look at those apps would be things like checking the bug tracker (verifying whether a bug still exists in the upstream latest source, and fixing it if need be), or just getting stuck in with features
[00:16] <dcushman> Excellent. Point the way and I'll see what I can do.
the team i'm a member of would benefit directly or indirectly from part of your skillset - but so would other teams - so i'm going to be as even-handed as my knowledge set stretches</disclosure>
[00:16] <dcushman> Understood.
[00:18] <directhex> okay. on an ubuntu desktop, there is tomboy (note-taking app) and f-spot (photo manager app), both of which are c#. there's rhythmbox (music library app) which is c, and may be replaced by banshee (c#) depending on how the apps' features stack up. on that last point, there are some things banshee is missing which it needs in order to be considered "ready" for that takeover - equally rhythmbox could do with some love to make it more
[00:18] <directhex>  likely to stay entrenched
[00:19] <directhex> there's stuff like RSS aggregators which you might find useful (e.g. liferea), or twitter nonsense (e.g. gwibber), or IM clients (e.g. empathy, pidgin)
[00:20] <directhex> generally speaking, just use your desktop and say "man, this bit is a bit i could make my own". it's all Free, so it's all up for lovin'
[00:22] <dcushman> I use Tomboy and Banshee pretty much every day. Rhythmbox seems pretty solid too.
[00:23] <directhex> then i'd pick one of those. i'm not going to try and convince you which, except to say that the media players are more in need of competent workers than tomboy is, right now, but for differing reasons
[00:24] <dcushman> Just out of curiosity, which project are you associated with?
[00:24] <directhex> will it influence your decision?
[00:24] <dcushman> not at all
[00:24] <directhex> then i'm part of the debian mono group, so "anything in c#" is my remit
[00:25] <dcushman> ah, just a tiny project then :)
[00:25] <dcushman> I have great admiration for all the mono work done so far.
[00:26] <dcushman> I've been trying to convince my employers to take a look at moving some of our simpler back end processes off the license beasts, just to get a mono project started in house.
[00:28] <directhex> well, if it works for you, it's worth a shot!
[00:28] <Ng> is there anything missing from bug #300814 that a universe sync request should have?
[00:30] <ajmitch> Ng: ubuntu-universe-sponsors team should be subscribed, and it's not really a sync from reading the comments, is it?
[00:30] <directhex> Ng, it's not clear whether it should be a sync or a merge - does one of debian's recommends need to be removed or not?
[00:31] <ajmitch> I think the recommended package is one that's not in ubuntu
[00:32] <ajmitch> at least it's the debian maintainer requesting it
[00:32] <Ng> directhex: ajmitch: I'm not exactly sure :/
[00:33] <directhex> dcushman, anyway, i'd take a look at one of the media players, since you expressed an interest. rhythmbox is a very "mature" app, which unfortunately means it's starting to come across some fundamental design choices from when it was still young, and hit those issues hard. development pace has slowed - meaning people are starting to talk (prematurely) about the "death" of it. it could do with some fresh bloof to help keep it up-to-
[00:33] <directhex> date and relevant with more than dull backend API changes. banshee has a much more active, vibrant development community, but has its share of outstanding bugs and issues (largely as a result of being a much younger project). it could dow tih more manpower to help work through bugs, inject exciting new features, and help them achieve their goals within a sensible timeframe
[00:33] <Ng> Evgeni was just talking about it on ##ibmthinkpad ;)
[00:33] <directhex> Ng, when you're certain either way between sync/merge, update the bug title to reflect it, subscribe u-u-s, and ping again in here
[00:33] <directhex> if i'm still awake, you might get lucky
[00:34] <dcushman> Thanks for the info and insight.
[00:34]  * Laney wolf whistles
[00:36] <Ng> directhex: probably easiest if he was here... which he is... Zhenech :)
[00:36] <Zhenech> heya
[00:36] <Zhenech> Ng said you need more info on #300814 ?
[00:36] <directhex> Zhenech, not clear whether the bug is a merge or sync, as the "sync it" line also says something should be changed in debian/control
[00:37] <Laney> karmic and gwibber. An unhappy marriage?
[00:37] <Laney> (the message window is blankety blank)
[00:37] <Zhenech> directhex, well, maybe this is just my bad knowledge of your terms :)
[00:37] <Zhenech> directhex, a sync as in "1:1 copy of debians version" would do pretty well
[00:38] <Laney> that is what a sync is
[00:38] <ajmitch> Zhenech: sync means to "copy as is, overwrite any ubuntu changes"
[00:38] <Zhenech> aye
[00:38] <ajmitch> your last comment seemed to indicate that you'd change the Recommends:
[00:38] <directhex> Laney, python rubbish. try gtwitter
[00:38] <Laney> directhex: supports laconica?
[00:38] <Zhenech> but then there is #258342 which would be grave as per debians policy
[00:38] <Laney> isn't a dead project?
[00:38] <directhex> Laney, dunno. patch that mutha, it's in pkg-cli-apps!
[00:38] <Laney> haha
[00:39] <ajmitch> Laney: gwibber has been randomly giving me issues also
[00:39] <Laney> it's pretty heavily patched already iirc
[00:39] <Zhenech> so just killing the recommends line would make it a "merge" (right?) and the 100% perfect solution
[00:39] <ajmitch> Zhenech: yeah, pretty much
[00:39] <james_w> Laney: I saw the same
[00:39] <Laney> james_w: any fix?
[00:39] <james_w> Laney: I suspect webkit
[00:39] <ajmitch> since you said you'll drop the existing ubuntu changes related to udev?
[00:39] <Laney> I don't see a bug for it. YEah, me too
[00:39] <directhex> syncs i know how to take care of. merges i'd need to read the manual
[00:39] <james_w> Laney: I upgraded to the daily PPA, which pulled in a newer webkit as well
[00:39] <directhex> james_w, bugs? in MY webkit?
[00:40] <directhex> that's unpossible!
[00:40] <Laney> hm
[00:40] <Laney> maybe I'll just install the webkit and see what happens
[00:40] <Zhenech> ajmitch, right, these are not needed anymore, we dont ship the udev rule anymore, and postinst will remove the old cruft if any
[00:40] <Laney> now now though
[00:40] <ajmitch> Zhenech: great, I guess it'll only take a couple of minutes to get a new debdiff made & attached
[00:40] <Zhenech> sure
[00:41] <ajmitch> since directhex seems oh-so-eager to sponsor uploads today :)
[00:42] <Zhenech> Architecture: i386 amd64 powerpc <- does the powerpc hurt you in any way? or will it be just ignored?
[00:42] <directhex> it will be used for the totally not official powerpc buildd
[00:42] <directhex> for the ps3 port!
[00:42] <ajmitch> I guess it's not worth adding lpia in there anymore :)
[00:42] <Zhenech> which has no accelerometer I could read out, but ok
[00:43] <Zhenech> ajmitch, is lpia not for Intel Atoms?
[00:43] <Zhenech> or will it run on a regular pentium/core too?
[00:44] <ajmitch> it's i386 with not a lot changed in the way of compiler flags, I believe
[00:46] <Zhenech> I can add it if it makes sense (there are people running lpia on their thinkpads...)
[00:46] <Nrrd> stefanlsd: Thanks so much dude! New patches made, .deb built and installed :)
[00:47] <ajmitch> Zhenech: I'm not sure if the lpia arch will really be supported with karmic, but I suspect it can't hurt to add it
[00:47] <Zhenech> ok
[00:48] <Zhenech> lpia in, recommends out. posting debdiff
[00:49] <ajmitch> fetching the sid source now
[00:49] <ajmitch> not that it's particularly large
[00:51] <Zhenech> here you go
[00:51] <Zhenech> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27970141/hdapsd_20090401-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[00:52] <ajmitch> thanks
[00:55] <ajmitch> I don't think there's much point changing Maintainer to the MOTU list for this
[00:56] <Zhenech> I read and care for the bugs, so prolly not :)
[00:57] <ajmitch> I did add in bug #300814 to the changelog though
[00:58] <Zhenech> ew, yes, I forgot that
[00:58] <Zhenech> thanks
[00:59] <ajmitch> no problem, now to just wait for it to be built & published & all :)
[00:59] <Zhenech> great thanks
[00:59] <Zhenech> stuff that has no ubuntu modifications stil gets autosynced, right?
[01:00] <Zhenech> and stuff that isnt in ubuntu yet (because it hit debian just yesterday) has still a chace to get in too?
[01:01] <Zhenech> sorry for all the questions :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> yes & yes
[01:04] <Zhenech> great
[01:04] <ajmitch> until debian import freeze on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[01:04] <ajmitch> after that it's manual sync of new stuff
[01:13] <Zhenech> judging from my mails and LP the upload was successfull
[01:13] <Zhenech> thank you very much
[01:15] <ajmitch> no problem
[01:18] <Zhenech> then I finally can go to bed with a good feeling
[01:18] <Zhenech> n8
[01:18] <ajmitch> night
[01:42] <kklimonda> does every merge request have to mention all remaining changes?
[01:43] <kklimonda> Or is it sufficient to say that all changes remain in place?
[01:44] <RAOF> All the remaining changes, IIRC.  Because each one of those changes should be justifiable, and merge requests is a good time to periodically make that justification.
[01:45] <kklimonda> RAOF: even if merges are done close to each other? like a week apart or something
[01:45] <RAOF> Well, the debian package has changed.
[01:46] <RAOF> The MOTU wiki would be the canonical reference for this, though.
[01:54] <LargePrime> hello
[01:55] <LargePrime> I am looking for a piece of software that looks like one is running "green dam" spyware
[01:56] <LargePrime> anyone heard of such?
[01:56] <directhex> i've heard of green dam..... but it's not clear what exactly you want to do
[01:57] <LargePrime> I desire to make it appear as if green dam is running, when it is nto
[01:57] <LargePrime> not
[01:57] <LargePrime> I have some friends who are at risk
[01:58] <LargePrime> they are installing ubuntu on flash drives, and making that install appear to be windows
[01:58] <LargePrime> they are required to have green dam installed.
[01:59] <LargePrime> they desire to make it appear as such
[01:59] <LargePrime> is that clear?
[02:00] <LargePrime> directhex:
[02:00] <directhex> i see
[02:01] <directhex> i don't know enough about how it's supposed to look
[02:01] <LargePrime> it can be downloaded.  i can get you a link
[02:01] <directhex> i've never heard of such a thing, but drawing a UI not hooked up tp anything shouldn't be too hard
[02:01] <LargePrime> one could even use the icon resource from the install
[02:02] <LargePrime> I can get bitmaps of some screens
[02:02] <LargePrime> directhex:
[02:04] <directhex> LargePrime, it's 2am, i'm not going to work on this for you
[02:05] <directhex> LargePrime, like i said, i don't know of anything existing, but i'm sure something could be done
[02:06] <LargePrime> sorry.  I did not mean to imply you would.  I appreciate your time.  project seems very resonable to me
[02:06] <LargePrime> wanted to check with another
[02:06] <LargePrime> ok see you.  if you desire you may contact me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:14] <nellery> any REVU admins around?
[02:15] <ajmitch> nellery: what's up?
[02:16] <nellery> ajmitch: Hi, can I be marked as a Reviewer on REVU?
[02:16] <ajmitch> pay the fee & I'll happily do so ;)
[02:17] <ajmitch> (done)
[02:17] <nellery> ajmitch: thanks :)
[02:28] <coppro> How do I request a backport?
[04:31] <kiwidrew> i've decided to fix a package that's been broken in jaunty for quite some time (LP #345208).  got the package source with 'apt-get source python-pythonmagick'.  running 'debuild -S' complains about missing GPG key (since i don't have fabrice's private key, i assume).  i'm a bit lost as to what to do next...
[04:36] <ajmitch> you can ignore the gpg problem, since you won't need to be signing an upload
[04:37] <ajmitch> the next step would be to make a debdiff with the fix & attach that patch to the bug in launchpad, then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[04:37] <kiwidrew> okay, but debuild bails out after the gpg error...  so i don't have a source .deb yet
[04:37] <ajmitch> debuild -S -us -uc
[04:38] <RAOF> There isn't a source deb.  Just the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, and .diff.gz
[04:40] <kiwidrew> hmm, well i'm really quite lost now.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing doesn't seem terribly helpful.  (i've made .deb packages for my own internal projects before, but for those i just packaged up pre-built binaries and so didn't touch source .debs and that stuff...)
[04:41] <kiwidrew> is there a better resource explaining what i need to do to go from what 'apt-get source python-pythonmagick' gives me to a python-pythonmagick.deb ?
[04:41] <RAOF> kiwidrew: debuild.  Just don't pass in "-S", which tells debuild to _only_ build the source package (.dsc, .tar.orig.gz, .diff.gz)
[04:43] <kiwidrew> ah, that's better.  now i'm actually getting somewhere.  thanks!
[05:54] <jsmidt> Is there a IRC channel that shows bugs in Ubuntu as they come in/are changed?
[05:54] <StevenK> #ubuntu-bugs for the former, I belive
[05:54] <StevenK> *believe
[05:55] <jsmidt> StevenK, thank you
[06:06] <ajmitch> StevenK: that still sucks from the firehose?
[06:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: I dunno :-P
[06:10] <stefanlsd> Nrrd: you around?
[06:14] <stefanlsd> What happens when a package gets 2 advocations on REVU? The 2nd advocate should upload it to the archive, or is there a process?
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning!
[06:51] <jsmidt> dholbach, would it be hard setting up harvest as either an RSS feed or something that can be broadcast of some IRC channel?
[06:52] <dholbach> jsmidt: I plan to put some work into harvest to make things like that a lot easier
[06:52] <dholbach> jsmidt: not in the next 2-3 weeks, but afterwards
[06:52] <jsmidt> dholbach, okay thanks.
[06:53] <dholbach> there's no point in working on the existing codebase as it's very web0.5 :)
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> Good morning.
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> Anyone with a PPC could have a look at Debian bug bug #528157 ?
[07:00] <fabrice_sp>  Debian bug #528157
[07:00] <fabrice_sp> NCommander perhaps?
[07:05] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[07:06] <dholbach> hiya ajmitch
[07:06] <dholbach> hi ara
[07:07] <ara> morning dholbach
[07:07] <fabrice_sp> hey dholbach !
[07:07] <ara> dholbach: do we have someone for the training session?
[07:07] <fabrice_sp> will try later
[07:08] <dholbach> ara: I don't - I sent a reminder to the whole team yesterday
[07:08] <ara> dholbach: yes, I saw that
[07:32] <didrocks> morning o/
[07:33] <didrocks> dholbach: I read a lot of "regenerate debian/control in such package, it's more for people who aren't used to such packages (with debian/control.in to tell them "hey, there is a control.in there... be careful)
[07:33] <dholbach> hm :)
[07:51] <xnox> what's control.in ?
[07:51] <xnox> never seen that before
[07:55] <RAOF> xnox: read debian/rules.  That's indicative that debian/control can be autogenerated (control.in -> sometool -> control)
[08:04] <didrocks> dholbach: just a tought, but if you really think this is not necessary, I can not put it, less paperwork :)
[08:04] <didrocks> xnox: control.in are generic control file used to generate debian/control
[08:06] <xnox> RAOF: didrocks: thanks. I'll look into it
[08:24] <mrooney> Is there an rdepends equivalent for recommends? I am trying to figure out which desktop applications use which spelling libraries such as aspell.
[08:32] <RAOF> mrooney: grep-aptavail should do something like that for you, I think.
[08:35] <mrooney> RAOF: thanks!
[09:28] <rancor][> Hi, I got a question about packaging non free, binary only software with no "generic" changelog that are distributed on the softwares web page only. Shall the changelog just contain changes to the Ubuntu deb packag?
[09:28] <azeem> rancor][: I think in that case, just ship a changelog.Debian.gz, no changelog.gz
[09:29] <rancor][> azeem, ah, thanks.
[09:31] <xnox> rancor][: lintian will complain about a lot things. Simply apply human common-sence
[09:41] <rancor][> If lintian detectes any warning, is the package "okey" anyway. For example that the package contains an extra "LICENSE"-file instead of copyright. Is this any problem or can lintian detect warnings without any conserns?
[09:42] <rancor][> xnox, ah, dident see your reply. Thanks
[09:51] <AnAnt_> Hello, sorry that I ask again, but when will Debian syncs stop ?
[09:51] <soren> AnAnt_: June 25th.
[09:51] <soren> AnAnt_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule (DebianImportFreeze)
[09:53] <AnAnt_> soren: so if a new package got added 2 days in Debian, most probably it will be synced ?
[09:53] <soren> AnAnt_: Certainly.
[09:54] <soren> AnAnt_: Assuming the usual criteria are met, of course.
[09:54] <soren> AnAnt_: E.g. that the package in Ubuntu doesn't have an "ubuntu?" version.
[09:55] <AnAnt_> ok
[09:55] <AnAnt_> thanks
[10:51] <bigon> does anyone has in plan to merges the network manager plugins for vpn from debian?
[10:59] <slytherin> bigon: which vpn?
[11:01] <bigon> slytherin: network-manager-{openvpn,pptp,vpnc}
[11:05] <slytherin> bigon: hmm. you should talk with asac as he manages most of the NM related packages.
[11:06] <asac> bigon: awe is on it
[11:08] <bigon> ok
[11:08] <bigon> thx
[11:14] <stefanlsd> james_w: whats the procedure with revu uploads? Does the 2nd advocate just upload? do you then archive the package?
[11:16] <james_w> stefanlsd: I'm just signing the package :-)
[11:16] <james_w> but yes, you are correct
[11:17] <stefanlsd> ok. thanks :)
[11:36] <kklimonda> tseliot: what is the status of bug 270846 for nvidia-glx-71 ? driver is still incompatible with intrepid?
[11:37] <tseliot> kklimonda: yes and (currently) Nvidia has no plans to add the support for new X.org releases to -71
[11:38] <tseliot> let me add a comment to that bug report
[11:40] <tseliot> done
[11:40] <kklimonda> thanks
[12:20] <robinp> is this package broken because of its dependencies: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/kformula
[12:21] <robinp> i.e. is it saying it needs koffice-libs (<< 1:1.6.4) AND koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.3) ?
[12:22] <joaopinto> koffice-libs version is 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu6
[12:22] <joaopinto> assuming you are refering to jaunty
[12:22] <joaopinto> it is installable
[12:23] <directhex> plenty of things match koffice-libs (<< 1:1.6.4) AND koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.3)
[12:23] <directhex> like 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu6
[12:23] <directhex> or 1:1.6.3-1panda2panda3panda4
[12:23] <directhex> or 1:1.6.4~nowimbeingfacetious
[12:27] <robinp> ok - i was just looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/383202
[12:28] <Laney> what's with the branch linking? Something to do with DistributedDevelopment?
[12:54] <Laney> motu-sru dudes: bug 387525
[13:01] <cody-somerville> Laney, acked
[13:01] <Laney> cody-somerville: thanks
[13:01] <Laney> oh yeah I should do a description, good catch
[13:40] <ivoks> huats: hi
[13:40] <ivoks> huats: in barcelona you said you'll send an email regarding motu mentoring process
[13:40] <huats> hey ivoks !
[13:40] <huats> yeah
[13:40] <huats> I know...
[13:40] <ivoks> :)
[13:41] <huats> I am a bit on a rush
[13:41] <huats> I'll send you that in the afternoon...
[13:41] <ivoks> ok
[13:41] <huats> I need to go I have an interview
[13:41] <ivoks> go, go!
[14:02] <dholbach> dyfet just asked me if somebody could have a look at the sipwitch package in revu
[14:36] <ruairidh> Hey
[14:39] <ruairidh> I'm wanting to join the MOTU team and have been checking out the dev documentation. Where do I go from here?
[14:40] <Laney> Find something to do* and do it
[14:41] <ruairidh> I take it that I find this on Launchpad?
[14:41] <Laney> * this is not necessariliy easy, but we have various ways, such as harvest
[14:41] <Laney> and the mentoring scheme
[14:41] <xnox> Laney: =) I like your answer a lot
[14:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO too
[14:41] <Laney> a good place to start might be "bitesize" bugs on launchpad
[14:42]  * Laney wonders what's on that list
[14:42] <ruairidh> Cool, I'll check that out then
[14:42] <Laney> oh, that's a nice link
[14:42] <dholbach> I'll start with the revampation-of-doom of harvest in 2-3 weeks I hope :)
[14:43]  * Laney cries at the list of haskell unmetdeps
[14:43] <dholbach> help appreciated :)
[14:43] <Laney> I feel bad not fixing them, but a new GHC release is coming very soon
[14:43] <Laney> awkward situation
[14:46] <gaspa> Laney: ah, really? have you idea, when?
[14:47] <Laney> gaspa: couple of weeks according to simon marlow
[14:48] <Laney> then $days for debian to package it
[14:49] <gaspa> Laney: ok, good
[14:55] <Laney> gaspa: will you be interested to help out with the rebuilds?
[14:55] <Laney> I'll try and get a tracking page going - the OCaml team has a nice one that we might be able to nick
[14:56] <gaspa> Laney: sure, I'm trying to learn a little of both caml and haskell,
[14:56] <gaspa> so i'll be happy of working with their packages
[14:56] <gaspa> ( with ocaml i've just started )
[15:02] <Nrrd> stef
[15:02] <Nrrd> (sorry, typo)
[15:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:04] <gaspa> Laney: let me know about that.
[15:05] <ruairidh> If I see something that needs packaging on Launchpad, I just assign it to myself right?
[15:09] <joaopinto> ruairidh, IMHO unless you have some experience with packaging, creating a new package as an introduction to MOTU participation could be a bit overkilling
[15:09] <ruairidh> Ah it's just I saw something on the "Needs-packaging" section on Launchpad and figured I'd do it
[16:53] <debfx> is a package in main/universe allowed to suggest/recommend a package in multiverse?
[16:55] <Laney> suggest yes, recommend no (I think)
[17:01] <directhex> Laney, yup
[17:02] <binarymutant> if anyone has the time to advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pidgin-mbpurple I would be very appreciative =)
[17:03] <debfx> ok, thanks
[17:14] <pochu> stgraber, james_w: congrats!
[18:56] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Anybody with ppc skills can have a look at Debian bug #528157? It's to know if we can safely sync librep or not. thanks!
[19:18] <AnAnt> will tomboy & fspot still be installed in Ubuntu desktop by default ?
[19:18] <Laney> yes, why?
[19:22] <ximion> hi!
[19:22] <ximion> Can someone please review my GeoGebra-package on REVU? I think I've fixed all locense issues now: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/geogebra
[19:26] <AnAnt> got disconnected
[19:26] <AnAnt> will tomboy & fspot still be installed in Ubuntu desktop by default ? or will they be replaced with non-Mono alternatives ?
[19:28] <AnAnt> sorry, asked in wrong place (I think)
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> ximion, as it seems no tarball is provided upstream, you should add a get-orig-source target in your rules file to rebuild the tarball
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> so your watch file is not of any use
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> (as the dirs file)
[19:30] <binarymutant> if anyone has the time to advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pidgin-mbpurple I would be very appreciative =)
[19:31] <ximion> @fabrice_sp: The problem with GeoGebra is, that there are no usable sources distributed on the webpage... I'll fix this now. Thanks for looking at the package!
[19:39] <fabrice_sp> ximion, how do you get the source? It seems upstream is not willing to give access to the source...
[19:39] <fabrice_sp> http://www.geogebra.org/download/install.htm has a kind of installer
[19:40] <dtchen> geser: for bug 384683, i can reproduce this FTBFS on every amd64 karmic install i've tried
[19:41] <ximion> @fabrice_sp: I extracted all necessary files from the installer. We had a discussion about the GeoGebra sourcecode at Launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/108654
[19:42] <ximion> We had also license issues, because GeoGebra is licensed under GPLv2, but the documentation is not...
[19:42] <ximion> (Because that it's important that the package is clean...)
[19:44] <ximion> I can't write a get-orig-source rule to extract the *.jar file automatically, because the filenames and paths are changing with every new release in the InstallAnywhere file.
[19:47] <fabrice_sp> ximion, I think you need to give a way to generate the tarball (but I'm not a MOTU)
[19:47] <hyperair> hmm how does one get the output of g_message?
[19:48] <hyperair> as in, get those messages dumped onto a terminal
[19:48] <hyperair> is there some option i can set?
[19:48] <hyperair> or some environment variable?
[19:48] <fabrice_sp> ximion, you can't use the watch file to get the install file, and unzip it in the get-orig-source target?
[19:49] <ximion> The installer archive contains a huge amout of mess that is only used for the installer itself. Also all files have different names in the installer .jar archive...
[19:50] <ximion> Open http://www.geogebra.org/download/GeoGebra_3_2_0_1.jar in an archive manager to see... Oh, I see GeoGebra 3.2 is released.. Maybe the situation is now better?
[19:51] <fabrice_sp> ximion, it's worth having a look, because at the actual state, it's difficult
[19:52] <ximion> Another question: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/icontool is advocated, but there's no watch file present... So, is a debian/watch file really essential?
[19:53] <fabrice_sp> let me check
[19:54] <fabrice_sp> don't know: should ask to james_w
[19:54] <fabrice_sp> anyway, the second motu that review that package could request to have a watch file
[19:55] <fabrice_sp> a question to MOTUs: as per Bug #345208, the pythonmagick package is broken in Jaunty, so it's worth a SRU. I've checked and Debian has a newer version that we can sync for karmic (it builds, and run file in Karmic). How does the SRU fit with a different version in Karmic than the one we have to fix in Jaunty?
[19:56] <fabrice_sp> (by the way, I think I know how to fix the package in Jaunty)
[19:56] <dtchen> hyperair: G_DEBU
[19:56] <dtchen> G_DEBUG, rather
[19:56] <hyperair> dtchen: thanks, i'm looking at that, but what should i set it to exactly?
[19:58] <POX> fabrice_sp: (pythonmagick) version in Debian also doesn't have this really nasty workaround
[19:58] <hyperair> dtchen: i can't find anything (beyond overriding g_log in some .so in LD_PRELOAD) that'll help me do this without recompiling
[19:58] <fabrice_sp> POX, that's because the package detects correctly the libs linked to python2.6
[19:58] <ximion> @fabrice_sp: [geogebra] I think I can create a proper get-orig-source rule for geogebra... But I have to completely restructure the package. I'll do this, hopefully the result will have good quality.
[19:59] <fabrice_sp> in the Jaunty's version, it's not the case, so we have to 'force' the libs
[19:59] <fabrice_sp> POX,  ^, and we miss -lboost_python
[19:59] <Laney> fabrice_sp: If it's fixed in Karmic, you can fix it in Jaunty in a different way if necessary afaik
[19:59] <fabrice_sp> (I think)
[20:00] <dtchen> hyperair: see "all" or "help"
[20:00] <fabrice_sp> Laney, ok. I'll request the sync for Karmic, and fix the package in Jaunty in a different way then.
[20:00] <fabrice_sp> thanks
[20:01] <hyperair> dtchen: nothing for log level message
[20:01] <hyperair> dtchen: only for warning and critical
[20:02] <POX> fabrice_sp: version in ubuntu had CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/include/python2.5" in debian/rules (for *all* Python versions, sic!)
[20:02] <POX> I know because someone tried to copy it in Debian
[20:02] <fabrice_sp> POX, I've fixed it in Jaunty to put python2.6
[20:02] <dtchen> hyperair: have you checked how GSt handles logging and debugging?
[20:02] <hyperair> dtchen: no i haven't.
[20:03] <fabrice_sp> Pici, Debian package works fine in Karmic :-)
[20:03] <hyperair> dtchen: i'm poking around nautilus by the way
[20:03] <fabrice_sp> Pici, not for you. Sorry
[20:03] <fabrice_sp> POX,  ^
[20:06] <POX> fabrice_sp: if you really need such nasty workarounds (instead of real fixes), at lest use `pyversions -d` output in the future ;-P
[20:07] <fabrice_sp> POX, that's what I did after :-) I was quite 'young' in python packaging when I did that, and inherited the CPPFLAGS. So just changes python2.5 with python2.6 :-)
[20:07] <fabrice_sp> Ive submitted some Debian bug using pyversions -d
[20:07] <fabrice_sp> :-D
[20:09] <POX> so I have time till Thurday to sync my packages... ScottK will not be happy ;)
[20:17] <POX> fabrice_sp: the real fix is in debian/patches/01_autofoo_fixes.dpatch in case you want to backport it for Jaunty
[20:18] <fabrice_sp> POX, cool. I was trying to apply a minimum (hack) fix, but I'll try first with the patch. thanks!
[20:24] <fabrice_sp> POX, the patch is a LOT cleaner. I'll port the patch to Jaunty, to fix the package. Thanks again for the pointer ;-)
[20:31] <huats_> Tonio_: around ?
[20:31] <Tonio_> huats_: hey !!
[20:54] <geser> dtchen: re bug 384683: I still can't reproduce it, not even through an upload to PPA (build successfully)
[20:55] <dtchen> geser: ok, there's definitely a bug, then, because we're hitting some sort of nondeterminism
[20:56] <dtchen> geser: if you want to push a no-change rebuild for haskell-x11-xft to help with the ghc6 migration, it would be greatly appreciated
[20:58] <Laney> don't do too much for ghc6
[20:58] <Laney> 6.10.4 coming soon
[20:59] <dtchen> right
[20:59] <dtchen> on the other hand, a whole mess of stuff is unmet, so i'm a bit up a creek as far as the window manager i use is concerned
[21:00] <Laney> Oh, yes, feel free to fix things to get your stuff working
[21:00] <Laney> just be aware that it will all break soon
[21:00] <dtchen> shrug, not too different from any other software
[21:00] <Laney> but after that I'll be fixing at warp speed
[21:02] <geser> dtchen: no-change rebuild uploaded
[21:02] <dtchen> geser: many thanks
[21:42] <ebroder> Any sru folks who could look at bug #338464 now that the fix is in Karmic?
[23:44] <picklesworth> Hello! :) Quick packaging question: Does it matter what kind of values I throw into the XS-VCs-Bzr field in debian/control ? For example, could I put lp:my-branch-alias, or a path to the project's code section?


[00:11] <Guest26> ...
[00:12] <pikaro> If I enable secure boot, it still doesn't work. Same result if I replace the BOOTX64.EFI with the ubuntu\shimx64.efi. BUT I can manually start the ubuntu\shimx64.efi and boot Ubuntu, and it briefly flashes somethign about signing. No idea how that works, though...
[00:15] <EriC^^> pikaro: didnt read it all, but did you run grub-install after moving the efi partition
[00:15] <jeremy31> pikaro: You may have to disable Secure Boot, boot into Ubuntu, do all updates, then you might be able to use Secure Boot again
[00:16] <EriC^^> cause you have to run that to update the uefi entries in the motherboard to point to the new partition
[00:16] <ramblebamble> pikaro, not a heavy Ubuntuuser, but your last statement just reminded me, it can be that you need to reconfigure the protocol in the bios settings. e..g I was able to run a live-ubuntu CD on a new laptop but was not able to run the installation. changing the protocol used to talk to the disks eliminated that problem(required a reinstall though)
[00:17] <pikaro> EriC^^: yes, grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --removable --bootloader-id=GRUB
[00:17] <EriC^^> pikaro: nope
[00:18] <EriC^^> pikaro: --removable i think would just copy the bootx64.efi but not modify the entries cause it's a removable media
[00:19] <pikaro> ramblebamble: You mean switching to MBR boot? That's not really an option, requires way too much doing, and you could never just screw around with it like I did with the EFI
[00:20] <pikaro> EriC^^: Hm... could be that there's an old entry from previous install attempts in the UEFI that I have to remove. It _is_ a removable install medium, after all - I just want to boot it as "generic USB harddisk". Thanks for the pointer!
[00:20] <pikaro> *removable boot medium
[00:20] <ramblebamble> pikaro, no not talking about MBR-boot, I am talking about the the protocol the bios uses to talk to the disks. That machine also had UEFI.
[00:20] <EriC^^> pikaro: what's your 'sudo efibootmgr -v' output look like right now along with 'sudo blkid'
[00:22] <pikaro> EriC^^: There are atually _two_ entries related to ubuntu in there, one from the HDD and one from the stick... they do look like they point to the correct partition, though
[00:22] <EriC^^> can you share please?
[00:22] <EriC^^> "(sudo blkid; sudo efibootmgr -v) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[00:24] <Guest26> }}
[00:26] <pikaro> http://termbin.com/a6g6 yeah UUID is correct
[00:26] <EriC^^> the entries use the partuuid
[00:27] <EriC^^> which one is the usb? sda?
[00:27] <pikaro> sdb
[00:28] <EriC^^> hmm, did it used to boot before fine when the efi partition wasnt on the usb?
[00:29] <pikaro> Only booted it once like that, but yes
[00:30] <EriC^^> i wonder if it's some implementation thing, what's curious to me is that there's no old ubuntu entry in the order, the one before 0002 is windows
[00:31] <pikaro> That might be automatic - when I did the update LTS -> normal, it prompted me that Grub was installed on a different disk previously. So it may have removed that automatically and replaced it with these, assuming that it's not a removable media.
[00:35] <EriC^^> when you say you had to replace boot/bootx64.efi with grubx64.efi to get it to boot, you mean on the usb?
[00:35] <EriC^^> (just read the rest of your initial post)
[00:35] <pikaro> Yes
[00:36] <pikaro> The EFI on the Windows disk works as normal when chainloaded from Grub
[00:36] <Guest26> }}}
[00:36] <EriC^^> i see
[00:39] <EriC^^> which server model is it pikaro ? maybe the message about signing can help get it to boot from the entry using secureboot+shim
[00:39] <Guest26> =$
[00:39] <EriC^^> might find a screenshot somewhere
[00:39] <tomreyn> Guest26: please don't post random characters here,. if you have an ubuntu question, you are welcome to ask it. (see https://ubottu.com/y/gl for more info)
[00:42] <pikaro> EriC^^: You mean hardware? It's not a server, standard consumer custom build. Just using Ubuntu server minimal to hand-pick packages and get some more pro tools
[00:44] <pikaro> But honestly, it's working for now and since there doesn't seem to be a simple solution this is better suited for a forum. Thanks a lot for looking into it in any case!!
[00:47] <EriC^^> no problem pikaro
[03:52] <jasper_mcvain> Hello Everyone. If I may ask; does this channel support Ubuntu Servers as well?
[03:52] <rbox> ubuntu is ubuntu
[03:52] <jasper_mcvain> Understood clearly, rbox. Thank you.
[04:08] <AzBukiVedi> hi all!
[04:09] <mybalzitch> jasper_mcvain: there's #ubuntu-server if you didn't find it yet
[04:09] <jasper_mcvain> I did not realize, thanks for the information, MB.
[04:18] <AzBukiVedi> help me pls make program https://pastebin.com/hvZ9h44k need luajit
[04:19] <rbox> AzBukiVedi: you can use apt search to search for packages
[04:21] <AzBukiVedi> done thx
[04:22] <AzBukiVedi> apt install *luajit*
[04:44] <Guddu> If i have a Windows PC then can i install Linux as well so that it gets a Dual Boot option at Startup without affecting the current Windows Installation?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: yes, but there need to be taken smart measures
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: like making a free space on your HD for ubuntu's install
[04:46] <Guddu> lotuspsychje, Thanks for your response. I even have 2 SSDs on this server.
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: a backup is a good idea too, then follow uefi and grub howto
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Guddu
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Guddu
[04:48] <Guddu> lotuspsychje, While there are some benefits to dual-booting (e.g. better performance for a native install), it is not recommended.
[04:48] <Guddu> Why is it not recommended?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: thats kind of opinion/the users choice
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: an ideal situation would be using the whole HD/SSD for an Os some would say
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> dualboot is kind of tweaking around to have both worlds
[04:50] <Guddu> lotuspsychje, I have an idea. May be i can install on a separate disk altogether and change boot order in BIOS whenever I want to switch OS?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: thats up to yourself, whats the best way you want to work
[04:51] <Guddu> lotuspsychje, Do you find it better than Dual boot option?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: many would avice to test ubuntu first on a liveusb, then if like use the whole drive for ubuntu
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> dualboot is faster in switching Oses
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: another idea would be running ubuntu in a windows Virtual machine to test
[04:53] <Guddu> lotuspsychje, I have tested it and i like it already.
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: ok great, then the only question remains, what will you be using windows still for?
[04:54] <Guddu> If i have a Ubuntu machine as Virtual Box Guest then will it have an access to USB devices for huge data transfer between devices?
[04:54] <Guddu> lotuspsychje, I use programs that are not available for Linux at this stage. Hence Windows continue to remain part of my workflow.
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Guddu: transfer to a VM are possible yes, but the real physical install would be the best choice for you i think
[04:55] <Guddu> Yeah. But i feel that vm reduces transfer rate
[04:55] <Guddu> Hence I prefer to not use VM
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:59] <Ademan_> I just wrote ubuntu server 22.04 to a thumb drive with exactly this command: `sudo dd if=ubuntu-22.04.3-live-server-amd64.iso bs=4M of=/dev/sda` after syncing, ejecting, and re-inserting the thumb drive, I see the following errors in dmesg: https://dpaste.com/ESHS463WH is this just because it's a 128GB thumb drive but the image is only 2GB? I'd be less concerned if it looked like it was referring to the
[04:59] <Ademan_> end of the whole usb drive, but that's more like<PHONE_NUMBER>72 bytes. It *did* boot just fine, but there were some similar (didn't save them) error messages on boot. I'm a bit skiddish to use this as an installer, but nothing is obviously wrong... anyone seen this before and have a good explanation?
[05:01] <AzBukiVedi> I was build program in Debian, how make .deb? http://explorer.net.ru:8080/temp/rubirc.deb.png meson bulid system
[05:02] <rbox> Ademan_: theres nothign wrong
[05:03] <ravage> AzBukiVedi: this is the Ubuntu support channel. Debian has it's own
[05:04] <AzBukiVedi> Ubnutu Sever build
[05:04] <AzBukiVedi> me need .deb to meson
[05:05] <Ademan_> rbox: I agree it looks ok but I want to understand what's going on better
[05:06] <rbox> [3226496.385412] GPT:Primary header thinks Alt. header is not at the end of the disk.
[05:06] <rbox> if you copied an image that was smaller than the size of the disk
[05:06] <rbox> the header is most defintely not going to be at th ened
[06:33] <prova> Hi everybody! Happy New Year! :)
[06:33] <prova> Is somebody here?
[06:33] <p0indexter> hello
[06:35] <prova> Hello p0indexter! How are you? :) May I ask something about ubuntu 20.04 and netplan?
[06:36] <prova> Tomb silence!
[06:37] <ravage> !ask | prova
[06:38] <prova> Sorry, i'm almost new on this chat and chat in general!
[06:41] <prova> I'm trying to connect some Virtual Machines via "Virtual Machine Manager" and I have troubles to connect them! Can Anybody help me?
[06:42] <ravage> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1412503/setting-up-a-bridge-for-host-and-vm
[06:54] <prova> A more specific question: I have two desktop PC: A and B. On any PC A and B I have a Virtual Machine: VMA and VMB. I want that all the Machines A, B, VMA, VMB communicate them between. All the Machines use ubuntu 20.04! I'm using qemu/KVM with Virtual Machine Manager!
[06:55] <ravage> that works with the bridge described on the article
[07:00] <prova> OK ravage! I will study the article! Thank you! :)
[07:01] <ravage> yw. basically create a bridge. put your main network interface in it. tell virt-manager to use that bridge
[07:14] <prova> In order to use the bridge, can I use the GUI of "Virtual Machine Manager" or have I to write the files in the article?
[09:09] <dell> hi
[13:58] <deckone> exit
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:21] <Yakov> I can call my app with /home/j/Downloads/qtcreator_build/bin/qtcreator, I've set desktop file which can be open with Command "type qt", I can add to favorites tab as well, but If I open my cpp or h files I can not select qt in Select Application list
[18:16] <cart> Hey everyone. When I go to software and updates application / Additional drivers tab. I try and get the latest NVIDIA drivers for 2060. But I get this error pk-client-error-quark: E: http://bw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu kinetic/main amd64 libglibmm-2.4-1v5 amd64 2.66.5-1 is not (yet) available (404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80])
[18:16] <cart> What does this mean>?
[18:16] <cart> Not yet available but why is it on the lsit?
[18:16] <cart> list`
[18:17] <rbox> could be mirrors are in the middle of syncing
[18:17] <rbox> and the file isn't there yet
[18:17] <rbox> wait an hour and try again
[18:19] <cart> rbox: Ahh ok ok
[18:23] <cart> rbox: I tried running sudo apt update and every attempt and fetching a file failed. Could this really be a mirror sync issue?  How do I upgrade that then?
[18:24] <cart> Or what do I  do?
[18:25] <ioria> follow the white rabbit
[18:25] <sw3333t> ^
[18:25] <cart> ioria: Ohhh gawd nooo
[18:25] <ioria> come on, not tragic ^_^
[18:25] <cart> ioria: Fine where do I start
[18:26] <ioria> check !eol or clean install
[18:26] <rbox> !upgrades
[18:26] <rbox> !eol
[18:27] <sw3333t> "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[18:27] <cart> Ok wait but... it seems like EOF is 6 months from now for the latest release? Is that right?
[18:28] <rbox> support ended on July 20, 2023
[18:28] <cart> Mantic Minotaur ... June -.-
[18:28] <sw3333t> Unless your way far back... than just install fresh
[18:28] <ioria> first, check if available , a simple 'do-release-upgrade -c' will do
[18:29] <fdan> hey guys
[18:29] <cart> sw3333t:  -> Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore.
[18:29] <fdan> im trying to write log file to a different location
[18:30] <fdan> i introduced these 2 lines, the files got created but it was not adding any contents. how can i ensure or test if this is working
[18:30] <fdan> StandardOutput=append:/var/log/test/access.log
[18:30] <fdan> StandardError=append:/var/log/test/error.log
[18:31] <sw3333t> If you dont have anything super important on there, I would just reinstall and I usually stick to LTS releases cause I got tired of just that.
[18:36] <cart> sw3333t: Yea ok
[18:36] <cart> thanks
[20:30] <TechPup> Hello
[20:32] <jailbreak> TechPup: hi..... How can we help?
[20:33] <TechPup> I just wanted to chat, if that is against the rules than I shall remove myself from this channel.
[20:33] <jailbreak> !offtopic| TechPup
[20:34] <TechPup> alright
[22:12] <Guddu> Could someone help me with this error?
[22:12] <Guddu> https://dpaste.org/ezMv4
[22:13] <tomreyn> Guddu: did you run   sudo apt update   beforehand?
[22:16] <tomreyn> Guddu: if you did, there's still another issue: your ubuntu release has reached its end of life
[22:20] <Guddu> tomreyn, https://dpaste.org/COUEX Sudo update gives this error. This is running on a raspberry pi
[22:20] <tomreyn> Guddu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades explains how to upgrade such releases. I do not know whether tor not this works for Ubuntu *ports*.
[22:21] <tomreyn> Guddu: these error messages (on your pastes) are a result of your ubuntu release having reached end-of-life.
[22:22] <Guddu> tomreyn, I will update my ubuntu version then altogether. What say? Need to find if there is one for raspberry still.
[22:23] <Guddu> I currently have Ubuntu 22.10
[22:23] <Guddu> Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[22:23] <Guddu> The latest Long Term Supported release of Ubuntu with five years of security patching and maintenance until April 2027
[22:23] <Guddu> So my version is still no EOL i thought
[22:23] <rbox> 22.10 isn't LTS
[22:23] <tomreyn> i just checked: the EOLUpgrades guide should also be possible for ports. However, I'm not sure whether release upgrades are supported for ports at all. You may want to try a fresh install indeed (after backing up your data and important configurations).
[22:24] <tomreyn> you're on 22.10, not 22.04 LTS
[22:24] <Guddu> tomreyn, You mean I should probbaly do install of 22.04 LTS?
[22:25] <tomreyn> i mean you should probably do a fresh installation of a supported Ubuntu release. Either 22.04 LTS or 22.10 (non-LTS)
[22:25] <Guddu> The one i have is corrupt you mean for some reason?
[22:26] <tomreyn> not currupt, but no longer supported, and no longer reciving critical security updates
[22:26] <tomreyn> !eol
[22:27] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[22:30] <tomreyn> Guddu: does this answer your question?
[22:31] <Guddu> tomreyn, Thanks. I am now using Balena Etcher to copy the 22.04.3 LTS image on my 64GB Mem Card used by my Raspberry
[22:33] <tomreyn> Guddu: nice. are you installing desktop, server or core? and on which pi?
[22:33] <Guddu> tomreyn, Raspberry PI 4
[22:33] <Guddu> But honestly I don't need Desktop
[22:34] <Guddu> I think core would be the best?
[22:34] <tomreyn> so what are you downloading?
[22:34] <Guddu> I use this only for connecting via remote and doing wol on other servers on my lan
[22:34] <Guddu> I downloaded Desktop but I was not thinking well until you asked that question.
[22:34] <tomreyn> core is probably not what you think it is. "core" uses snap packaging only, is a different system than classic ubuntu.
[22:35] <Guddu> Ubuntu Server 22.04.3 LTS would be best then.
[22:35] <tomreyn> right, this should work on pi4
[22:36] <Guddu> tomreyn, Is it a good idea to schedule a daily cron to do apt update?
[22:37] <tomreyn> that's something you need to decide on, installing apt updates automatically can have positive and negative effects, so you should consider these.
[22:38] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi is your installation guide
[22:38] <JanC> better use 'unattended-upgrades' for that also
[22:38] <JanC> not try to create your own cron thing
[22:38] <tomreyn> unattended-upgrades let you check for and install some or all available apt updates automatically, and optionally do a reboot, too
[22:38] <Guddu> Flash fails with Balena. Checking another.
[22:39] <tomreyn> it's not an iso image, but a raw (but compressed) disk image.
[22:40] <ravage> https://snapcraft.io/rpi-imager
[22:40] <tomreyn> see the guide i linked for how to get raspberry pie imager for other operating systems
[22:40] <tomreyn> oops 'pi'
[22:41] <tomreyn> that's what the holidays did to me!
[22:41] <ravage> you fine piece of.. pie :P
[22:41] <tomreyn> :-P
[23:00] <oerheks> HNY !
[23:02] <jailbreak> Awkward....
[23:50] <Guddu> I have a ip of <IP_ADDRESS> on my raspberry. How can i prevent it from changing? How do i set it to static?
[23:53] <PeGaSuS> you can probably assign a static ip via your router web interface?
[23:54] <sem> i recommend configuring your router as well
[23:54] <sem> look for dhcp reservation if you don't see it
[23:54] <sem> or 'lease type' static