[08:08] <tarzeau> it'd be easy to upgrade qtractor to 0.9.0 (from 0.8.5)
[08:08] <tarzeau> (even with the official packages)
[15:31] <OvenWerks> tarzeau: step one, get qtractor upgraded in debian. Step two ask for a sync in ubuntu.
[15:31] <OvenWerks> tarzeau: so check if there is already a bug report asking for update and create one if not.
[15:33] <SlidingHorn> What are people's thoughts on adding Cadence & Carla?
[15:38] <OvenWerks> Carla yes. cadence not as sure... the next ubuntustudio-controls pretty much replaces it
[15:39] <OvenWerks> (and adds to it)
[15:40] <SlidingHorn> I didn't even know USC was a thing...lol
[15:41] <OvenWerks> SlidingHorn: I have been waiting to see one or the other make it into debian. So far no one has touched it... due to licencing?
[15:42] <OvenWerks> -controls next starts jack at session start allowing using more than one audio device and allows seeting which ports pulse gets connected to.
[15:42] <OvenWerks> -controls next will auto connect a USB device to jack as well
[15:42] <OvenWerks> this will allow using the USB mic
[15:43] <OvenWerks> (lets not call it a pro-mic :P
[17:08] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Cadence is GPL, there's no reason why it can't be added.
[17:08] <ErichEickmeyer> https://github.com/falkTX/Cadence/blob/master/COPYING
[17:09] <ErichEickmeyer> That said, with -controls being so good, it might just be something to add to the repos, but we'd have to work with upstream.
[17:28] <OvenWerks> SlidingHorn: take a look at yesterdays log of #ubuntustudio for some of the problems Cadence gives for trouble shooting.Cadence is, Carla can be if some things are left out (like linux sampler) Carla would be a much better addition as there is nothing else that does what it does any more.
[17:28] <OvenWerks> Opps the last part of that was in responce to ErichEickmeyer comment
[17:31] <OvenWerks> Cadence makes system changes that are hard to revert temporarily without removing cadence.
[17:32] <OvenWerks> I am not sure if that is good or bad :)
[17:33] <OvenWerks> -controls makes any changes to pulse on the fly. Cadence does not deal with USB mics.
[17:34] <OvenWerks> Adding cadence to the repos if -controls is default would result in conflict. Both can not be installed at the same time.
[17:34] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, that's true. I think that is something that needs to be left to the user to decide, tbh. My biggest issue (and advantage for Cadence) is that, when using a dummy card, I can specify how many ports it has in & out, whereas with qjackctl I cannot. Is that something we can put in -controls?
[17:34] <SlidingHorn> I didn't know about -controls to begin with, so I'll be playing with that to see how it works
[17:35] <OvenWerks> Once I have -controls working as it should, it should be possible to allow both to co-exist.
[17:36] <OvenWerks> I could certainly add dummy as an option and allow for number of ports in and out
[17:36] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, here's my idea: I'll work on packaging both Cadence and Carla (and Calf 0.90.0) and have them in my PPA and, when -controls can do it, we'll try to push Cadence upstream. Carla and Calf can be more immediate.
[17:36] <OvenWerks> I am finding I will have to rework the GUI yet again anyway :)
[17:36] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Oh man, sorry. :/
[17:37] <ErichEickmeyer> Is the goal for -controls to be able to replace much of qjackctl's funtionality?
[17:38] <OvenWerks> Well, in playing with USB stuff I am realizing that if the user has more than 1 USB device, things get wierd. I need to allow the user to tell which usb device to use as master if they want that.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> qjckctl will be changing for sure Rui has announced that we should all watch his LAC presentation this year :)
[17:39] <ErichEickmeyer> OH good. For all of its functionality, it definitely needs a revamp.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> -controls is not set up to make connections or to show them.
[17:40] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, that's where something like Carla could come in, and of course Ardour can manage connections.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> -controls will start jack and add extra clients from hw changes.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> patchage can work too.
[17:40] <ErichEickmeyer> Unfortunately, patchage is unmaintained. :/
[17:40] <OvenWerks> true
[17:41] <OvenWerks> The author has gotten a real job... (with Ableton?)
[17:41] <ErichEickmeyer> If we can get Carla in the repos, then I'd honestly recommend dropping patchage from our metapackages.
[17:42] <OvenWerks> maybe look at Catia as a patch bay
[17:42] <ErichEickmeyer> Catia is part of Cadence.
[17:43] <ErichEickmeyer> Can't be separated.
[17:46] <OvenWerks> the kxstudio repos show it as separate
[17:47] <ErichEickmeyer> Strange. Any time I compile Cadence from source it installs /everything/.
[17:47] <ErichEickmeyer> Or if I install cadence from the KXStudio repos.
[17:48] <ErichEickmeyer> They're not separate in github.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> Ya, I see that, I downloaded Catia from kxstudio and Cadence is in there too.
[17:49] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep.
[17:49] <ErichEickmeyer> Carla, however, is separate.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> Yes. I have built it here a few times... will have to again for 18.04
[17:50] <OvenWerks>  I will see if I can build Catia separately
[17:50] <ErichEickmeyer> Is it a build option?
[17:51] <OvenWerks> looks like.
[17:51] <OvenWerks> make catia should work
[17:52] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh cool! If that works and can be packaged, there's our solution. That said, having Carla couldn't hurt, it's a good (potential) competitor to Waves Central.
[17:52] <OvenWerks> I haven't played with cadence at all
[17:53] <ErichEickmeyer> Try it out. Maybe we can take ideas and integrate them into -controls.
[17:53] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: the hard thing about Carla packaging is that it does not use any auto build
[17:54] <OvenWerks> When it builds it just seems to build with whatever resources it can find.
[17:54] <ErichEickmeyer> Hmmm... I'll play around with it and see what I can come up with. Probably just needs some build dependencies defined.
[17:54] <OvenWerks> I could not figure out how to set up a src package when I tried.
[17:55] <OvenWerks> It needs a build script
[17:55] <ErichEickmeyer> Might even be a matter of working with upstream (FalkTX). He seems like a reasonable guy.
[17:55] <OvenWerks> (a custom build script)
[17:56] <OvenWerks> falktx (now that he is no longer doing MOD) may be packaging for debian himself.
[17:56] <ErichEickmeyer> I thnk he is, but he's still using his PPA as his repo.
[17:57] <ErichEickmeyer> Perhaps, if that's the case, then it's just a sync request?
[17:57] <OvenWerks> Yes, but it is easy to create a binary package... but debian/ubuntu require a buildable src package first
[17:58] <OvenWerks> So the KXstudio stuff is binary, but there are no src packages I know of
[17:58] <ErichEickmeyer> There's got to be a way.
[17:58] <OvenWerks> That is why controls is in python rather than c++ in case you were wondering  ;)
[17:59] <ErichEickmeyer> Easier to code, I get it. :)
[17:59] <OvenWerks> I am sure there is a way... I just don't have the time and patience to learn it at this time
[17:59] <ErichEickmeyer> No worries.  It's good stuff. :)
[17:59] <OvenWerks> I really do want to get -controls our in the next 3 months
[18:00] <OvenWerks>  And I have a half done bit in Ardour I want to get done before Paul adds his huge chunck of code.
[18:01] <ErichEickmeyer> I'll see what I can do about Carla. I'm no coder (haven't coded since MS BASIC 2.0 on a C64) but I've been learning packaging.
[18:01] <OvenWerks> It would be no problem to have catia run from with in -controls.
[18:02] <OvenWerks> Carla is very easy to build (from my POV)
[18:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Would you just call Catia from a button?
[18:02] <ErichEickmeyer> Or make it a tab?
[18:02] <OvenWerks> I think getting the depnds right is the hardest part.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> from a button. Unless it is written in python.
[18:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Pretty sure all of Cadence (incl. Catia, et al) is written in Python.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> If it is written in python it would not be so hard to swallow it
[18:04] <OvenWerks> Catia is a binary
[18:05] <ErichEickmeyer> https://github.com/falkTX/Cadence/blob/master/src/catia.py
[18:06] <OvenWerks> The Catia I downloaded from KXStudio is a binary file
[18:07] <ErichEickmeyer> Which makes sense since he's probably compiling it before uploading it.
[18:08] <OvenWerks> So maybe it is written in python but compiled to a binary for dist.
[18:08] <ErichEickmeyer> That's what I'm gathering.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> It is qt4
[18:10] <ErichEickmeyer> The binary, yes. The code on github is ported to Qt5.
[18:11] <OvenWerks> I was reading INSTAL.md
[18:11] <OvenWerks> I guess it is out of date
[18:11] <ErichEickmeyer> He just recently finished the port and hasn't updated his docs yet.
[18:12] <OvenWerks> ya it says he finished the qt5 port 2 months ago.
[18:13] <ErichEickmeyer> Yep. I'm subscribed to the watch ML for the project.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> if you play with it his INSTAL file suggests libjack-dev don't install that!
[18:20] <OvenWerks> you have to install the jackd2 version :)
[18:22] <OvenWerks> Oh and they are all QT4 of course.
[18:26] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, looks like he needs a branch to fix the Install file and a pull request to follow.
[18:38] <OvenWerks> Catia when run is still looking for qt4
[18:39] <OvenWerks> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'PyQt4'
[19:05] <ErichEickmeyer> Sounds like a bug report needed.
[19:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Or a dependency issue: python3-pyqt4
[21:51] <OvenWerks> In any case, Carla just builds. Just make and it builds. Running make features tells what it wil (or has already) include. If there is something not included... look for the missing dep.
[23:05] <SlidingHorn> so is the -controls application supposed to have a GUI?  It asks me for my admin password and then nothing (when selecting from menu)
[23:07] <OvenWerks> SlidingHorn: that would be the old one
[23:07] <OvenWerks> It should show the GUI with no password.
[23:08] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild
[23:09] <OvenWerks> I normally down load the file and install it
[23:09] <SlidingHorn> just add that ppa & install the new version
[23:10] <OvenWerks> I dl just the file so I don't get all the stuff in there :)
[23:10] <OvenWerks> But I think controls is the only active one right now.
[23:11] <SlidingHorn> should I just grab the deb, or do I need the whole source package?
[23:11] <OvenWerks> deb is fine.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> once installed it will not do much till you have logged out and back in.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> I see something else I could change/improve
[23:19] <OvenWerks> (added to NOTES)
[23:20] <OvenWerks> SlidingHorn: I use this on my daily machine. I have used something similar (not as refined) for over 3 years now.
[23:21] <SlidingHorn> required cpufrequtils & libcpufreq0 - got everything installed
[23:21] <SlidingHorn> will check it out in a min
[23:22] <SlidingHorn> watching youtube vids and don't feel like logging yet lol
[23:23] <OvenWerks> I should make it so it doesn't need cpufrequtils as that package doesn't really work right


[00:08] <Joe______> Hi all, i really hate to ask for help, but i've been configuring my VPS to run as a nameserver, so i can run a small host for friends, i'm totally stuck, and i could use some help.
[01:47] <shauno> got a box where klogd doesn't start.  it hangs at "Starting kernel log daemon...", showing klogd as a defunct process.  any clues where to start looking?
[01:49] <gravity1187> hell anyone have any experience install kolab on ubuntu server 10.04
[03:06] <t73net> Hey all. I'm looking for someone to help me troubleshoot some domain name issues using Webmin/Bind Dns Module. PM me for info please
[03:12] <t73net> Anyone here? Or just all ghosting ?
[03:12] <shauno> here, but haven't used webmin in 5+ years, so no use to you :)
[03:14] <t73net> heh thanks for the reply at least
[03:24] <jmarsden> !webmin
[03:35] <notquitehappy> Can anyone assist me with setting up a server using vmware? I've been following a guide, but for some reason I haven't achieved the guide's results.
[03:38] <notquitehappy> Why are there so many people, yet no one is willing to assist me?
[05:10] <vice_virtue> Is there a way to get vmbuilder to output to a specific .qcow2 file?
[05:35] <pickett>  hi, when i copy over the network I only get 600k/s with wireless n, if I change the connection to wireless g i get 2.4mb/s, anyone know why this would be?
[05:36] <pickett> also when i copy from a windows comp over the network with wireless n i get 4.5-5.5mb/s
[05:36] <pickett> and it doesn't matter if i'm using samba or sshfs to share files
[06:31] <zkirill> Why is it good security practice to disable ssh login to root account?
[06:33] <shauno> zkirill: watch your logs.  you'll see random attacks trying to guess passwords all day long.  It's really not worth letting them stumble on root's password.
[06:33] <jmarsden> zkirill: That sounds like a security class homework question!  root is a fixed known username on every unix-like machine in the world, so dictionary attacks can use it and just try passwords.  If you disable it for ssh, then dictionary attackers have to guess both username and password to succeed.
[06:34] <zkirill> Yeah, but I don't see the point if the root account is a gigantic alphanumeric + symbols password.
[06:35] <zkirill> Although I do see the point in doing the standard hardening procedure thing.
[06:37] <zkirill> shauno, jmarsden: thanks for the help
[06:37] <shauno> if you're going to allow root, I (personally) think it's better to disallow passwords all-together, and stick to keys.  difficult passwords lower the chance, but don't eliminate the chances
[06:38] <zkirill> shauno: well I don't think I am, I was just curious why it was 'de facto'. I'm guessing too many stupid sys admins set the root password to an English word and had it brute forced.
[06:38] <zkirill> It just seems a little far fetched that someone can brute force a generated password.
[06:40] <toddc> anyone able to guide me in 10.04.1 raid 1 insta
[06:40] <toddc> intstall with grub workaround?
[06:40] <shauno> zkirill: I think I stick to my initial observation; watch your logs.  the sheer number of attacks will make you paranoid :)
[06:41] <zkirill> shauno: haha i will and thanks for the tip man :)
[08:02] <versificator> morning, anyone here use ubuntu server with whole disk encryption?
[08:11] <lenios> versificator, any question?
[08:22] <ePierre> hi everybody
[13:41] <kklimonda> hey, I'm working on a libevent2 transition - so far, I'm at the point when I'm trying to asses if it's even something that still can be done for natty. As 3 of 4 packages in main that depend on libevent are server ones I'd like to know if you know of reasons not to do that update. All packages from main did build, but I haven't yet tested them - if anyone knows of bugs, it would save me some
[13:41] <kklimonda> time. :)
[13:41] <kklimonda> the update bug is bug 701471, there is also a list of packages that depend on libevent, and a link to the ppa where I try to rebuild all packages with it.
[16:55] <lmarino> Hi all, its my first time in irc
[16:55] <gagarine> lmarino welcome
[16:55] <lmarino> thanks
[16:56] <lmarino> I am starting at Amazon EC2.
[16:56] <lmarino> I've installed an email, lamp and dns server.
[16:57] <lmarino> Know i am trying to install wordpress. Anybody knows how to do that. if i enter in localhost/wordpress it works fine.
[16:57] <lmarino> but when i enter in the ip of the computer dont work
[16:57] <nt93> hi, can you tell me why ubuntu server doesn't get a new ip, even the interfaces are auto
[17:00] <Boring10> is your router setup to assign the same IP to the same computer?
[17:00] <nt93> sorry i forgot to mention - i plug it into another network and it still has the old ip
[17:00] <Boring10> Your router can be set to dhcp and still assign the same IP address.
[17:03] <lmarino> The apache2 its working fine. i have received the msg its works
[17:14] <geekbri> lmarino: are you trying to access it with your EC2 publicly accesible DNS name?
[17:15] <nt93> does nobody have an idea?
[17:15] <geekbri> nt93: why not just renew the ip?
[17:16] <Boring10> @nt93 you never changed the network config file from dchp to static correct?
[17:16] <nt93> geekbri: i want to use it without a screen, just with ssh
[17:17] <nt93> Boring10: yes
[17:20] <Boring10> nt93: try sudo dhclient- r then sudo dhclient
[17:22] <nt93> yeah it gets a new ip but if i change the network again it still has the old ip
[17:23] <nt93> i would do that over ssh but i dont think thats possible if that thing doesn't have the right ip
[17:24] <Boring10> sounds to me like the router is setup to give the computer the same IP address.  You have any way to access the router?
[17:25] <ChrisBuchholz> Hello, i have a user on my 10.04.1 server which when you ssh in to in verbose mode, outputs: "Read from remote host 12...30: Connection reset by peer \ Connection to 12...30 closed. \ \ \ debug1: Exit status -1". What can be the cause of that? I was messing with some permissions and ownership on the accounts home dir when afterwards it got messed up, though the permissions and ownership should be right - like i use on the other users a
[17:25] <nt93> i have 2 different networks -> 2 different routers ;)
[17:26] <Boring10> nt93: oh sorry misunderstood, I can't think of a reason why that would happen unless the network config file was changed.
[17:27] <nt93> it's a fresh installation of ubuntu server
[17:29]  * patdk-lap needs to learn how to read
[17:29] <patdk-lap> 'it's a french install....'
[17:29] <nt93> lol
[17:29] <ChrisBuchholz> okay, i got it fixed now. It was just set the ownership back to what it was before
[17:35] <nt93> any other ideas why this doesn't happen automatically?
[17:46] <nt93> ok i just reboot it and it gets the right ip - it's a server it doesn't neet to change the ip 'on the fly'
[17:46] <Boring10> I trying to look it up but I can't figure out why something like that would be happening 2 different networks.
[17:46] <nt93> thanks for your help guys ;)
[17:48] <nt93> yeah i don't get it too but it doesn't matter
[17:50] <nt93> my idea of plug it into another network while that thing is running is also really pointless ;)
[18:28] <yellabs-r2> hello there
[18:28] <yellabs-r2> i am going to install ubuntu server , what is the best option, to use phpmyadmin or webmin ?
[18:29] <patdk-lap> neither?
[18:30] <yellabs-r2> hmm really ?
[18:30] <patdk-lap> well, we can talk all day about stuff, but till we know the *goal*
[18:31] <yellabs-r2> ah i see..
[18:31] <yellabs-r2> i would like at first to try to install ubuntu server and then wordpress
[18:32] <patdk-lap> I would stay away from webmin
[18:33] <patdk-lap> could use phpmyadmin if you really want to, but make sure you secure it good
[18:33] <yellabs-r2> what would be the recommended web interface for ubuntu server ?
[18:33] <yellabs-r2> if needed
[18:34] <patdk-lap> none
[18:34] <yellabs-r2> okey , cool
[18:34] <patdk-lap> webinterfaces will always get you into issues
[18:34] <yellabs-r2> as you can tell i am new to all of this
[18:34] <patdk-lap> and you will not have any clue what to do when that happens, other than reinstall
[18:35] <patdk-lap> where if you start by editing configs yourself, you will know how to fix issues
[18:35] <yellabs-r2> did do some reading,..
[18:37] <yellabs-r2> i have tried two installs sofar
[18:39] <yellabs-r2> third try right now
[18:42] <qman__> AFAIK the preferred method of installing wordpress is `sudo apt-get install wordpress`
[18:42] <yellabs-r2> i just did that
[18:42] <yellabs-r2> now the trouble is, i cant acces wordpress admin..
[18:43] <yellabs-r2> i see apache is running ( see the up page )
[18:43] <yellabs-r2> so.. stuck there
[18:43] <qman__> it should have asked you for any passwords during install
[18:43] <qman__> mysql root password, etc
[18:43] <qman__> I don't use wordpress myself, so I don't know the quirks of that particular application
[18:43] <yellabs-r2> yes yes, thats setup
[18:44] <yellabs-r2> true
[18:45] <qman__> where is the admin page normally located?
[18:46] <yellabs-r2> wp-admin
[18:48] <qman__> apparently php5-gd is also recommended
[18:48] <qman__> but that would only affect graphs and such being generated
[18:51] <yellabs-r2> trying to find an how to...
[18:51] <qman__> yeah, I don't see any
[18:51] <qman__> I guess it's supposed to just work
[18:51] <qman__> I found one for 6.06 but that's way old
[18:51] <yellabs-r2> something is wrong in this ubunt server and wordpress
[18:52] <yellabs-r2> reading this how to, see if it enlightens me..
[18:52] <yellabs-r2> http://www.packtpub.com/article/ubuntu-server-and-wordpress-15-minutes-flat
[18:54] <qman__> that will work, but that's a manual way of installing it
[18:54] <qman__> you will have to update wordpress yourself
[18:56] <yellabs-r2> hmm..
[19:00] <yellabs-r2> strange
[19:01] <yellabs-r2> i am in the phpmyadmin right now, so that works okey, i installed it to see whats wrong, or what could be wrong
[19:01] <qman__> just FYI, phpmyadmin isn't really secure, and expects you to handle security some other way
[19:02] <qman__> so I suggest you disable or restrict it once in production
[19:02] <yellabs-r2> i will kick it out ( uninstall ) when i dont need it any more, just to see whats up..
[19:03] <yellabs-r2> This MySQL server has been running for 0 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes and 54 seconds. It started up on Feb 13, 2011 at 07:37 PM.
[19:04] <yellabs-r2> seems to be okey
[19:04] <yellabs-r2> so thats not the issue
[19:04] <RoyK> mysql sucks
[19:05] <yellabs-r2> hehe
[19:05] <yellabs-r2> i think my problem has to do with this http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/2816/wordpress-package-configuration-in-ubuntu-server
[19:07] <RoyK> lucid?
[19:08] <yellabs-r2> maverick
[19:11] <yellabs-r2> hmm, well..
[19:11] <yellabs-r2> i am stuck there
[19:11] <yellabs-r2> never mind i will try to sort it out later..
[19:12] <yellabs-r2> or if all else fails, go for turnkey again , like the other servers we run, to bad though , i would have liked it to work out of the box..
[19:12] <yellabs-r2> thanks for you time, might be back later with some better news ! :)
[19:13] <yellabs-r2> take care and , again thanks for the help sofar  :)
[19:13] <yellabs-r2> bye
[19:38] <intel352> anyone here familiar with using Jailkit for chroot jails? I'd like to allow my users to change their own passwords while in their jail, but I'm not sure that would be possible...
[21:21] <lirakis> hmmm
[21:21] <lirakis> no matter what i do .. i cant get dhcp3-server to start on boot
[21:21] <lirakis> it starts fine when i run /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[21:21] <lirakis> and i checked /etc/rc2.d/ and it is listed in there at S40....
[21:22] <lirakis> but when i reboot the box ... it doesnt start up
[21:22] <lirakis> any hints or help on this is appreciated
[21:22] <lirakis> this is my first non chkconfig like environment
[21:36] <nkv> Hi all.  I am testing a new cluster of VMWare servers that are SAN attached.  I've already run tiobench, bonnie++ and iozone.  Does anyone have any recommendations on a good burn-in benchmark suite to run?
[22:30] <nimrod10> lirakis, look in /etc/default for additional settings for dhcp
[22:31] <lirakis> nimrod10, already have my listen device set there
[22:31] <lirakis> i figured out the problem
[22:31] <lirakis> network manager starts after all other servis
[22:31] <lirakis> and dhcp3-server requires an ip on the interface
[22:31] <lirakis> so ... it breaks
[22:32] <lirakis> i added the service up to my /etc/networking/interfaces script
[22:32] <nimrod10> ah . you're running X , cool , at least you've figured the problem
[22:32] <lirakis> so that it starts after the bridge gets setup
[22:32] <lirakis> it works now
[22:32] <lirakis> nimrod10, no .. not running X
[22:33] <lirakis> its console only
[22:33] <lirakis> the network manager ... whatever it is ... brings up the interfaces later on in the init process ... its not a function of the rc.d numbering either
[22:33] <lirakis> im not sure how the underlyin networking stuff works with ubuntu
[22:34] <nimrod10> cool . I thought you're on abou the gnome network-manager
[22:42] <hggdh> JamesPage: I rebooted the hudson server (just in case) -- Hudson seems to have been hit by a OOM error
[23:12] <smokesmoko> greetings
[23:12] <smokesmoko> greetings to all in the name of the creator
[23:14] <smokesmoko> just need a little help with ddns, I have setup bind9 on webmin and its working great, I can't seem to get clear instructions on ddns, i yelp help!
[23:29] <smokesmoko> I'm new to DDNS, can someone help me?
[23:42] <airtonix> lirakis: my server uses network manager, bind and dhcp3-server and doesn't experience any problems
[23:43] <awanti> Hi, I used ubuntu landscape, its very cool but when i saw the price ($150/node) its very hot. I thought its very of cost.
[23:44] <awanti> So any body can tell me. How do i implement this without spending so much of money.
[23:44] <airtonix> spending alot of time
[23:44] <twb> You can't.  The landscape server side is proprietary software.
[23:45] <Hellz_Bellz> Hello, I've just installed 8.04 on an old p3 and im trying to get an rtl8187 usb device and a pcm100 pcmcia working and so far its been a nogo even after modprobe -l -t /lib/modules
[23:46] <twb> Hmm, isn't hardy EOLd in about six months?
[23:46] <Pici> No.
[23:47] <awanti> some where i read! if we are installed landscape server on our own place, then no need to pay yearly subscription chargers. Is this right?
[23:47] <Hellz_Bellz> what is landscape?
[23:47] <Pici> Hardy is supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on servers.
[23:47] <Hellz_Bellz> !landscape
[23:48] <twb> I'm thinking of dapper I think
[23:48] <Hellz_Bellz> you can effectivley replace landscape with a competent admin
[23:48] <Pici> twb: likely :)
[23:48] <twb> Hellz_Bellz: that and a change management infrastructure, like puppet, cfengine, etc.
[23:50] <Hellz_Bellz> !cfengine
[23:54] <smokesmoko> Anyone knows how to setup DDNS?
[23:54] <smokesmoko> DDNS server on webmin?
[23:55] <qman__> !webmin | smokesmoko
[23:55] <nertil> grrr
[23:55] <nertil> ebox is like webmin
[23:55] <nertil> but ebox is pain to configure it
[23:56] <nertil> causes problems with apache
[23:56] <smokesmoko> ubottu: I'm using debian lenny, so its still working with no problem
[23:57] <qman__> it may work for you, but the point is, webmin is not supported here
[23:58] <smokesmoko> qman__: any pointers where I can get more info?
[23:59] <nertil> if u use ubuntu nope
[23:59] <nertil> if u use gentoo or debian
[23:59] <nertil> try their pages and channels


[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[10:53] <vibhav> The Indian LoCo admin has not responded to any of my emails for 1 month, can aynthing be done now?
[10:53] <czajkowski> vibhav: nigelb is on the list what mails are you sending and where
[10:56] <vibhav> czajkowski: I sent mails to the Indian LoCo admins about the statis of the website (Which has been down for 6 months) , I have not got any reply for him
[10:56] <vibhav> OR any of the other admins
[10:56] <vibhav> https://launchpad.net/~b.ghose
[10:57] <vibhav> He is the current owner of the team
[10:57] <czajkowski> they seem to have a lot of admins
[10:57] <czajkowski> I do know for a fact the mailing list is active as nigelb is on there
[10:57] <vibhav> But the team has only one owner
[10:57] <czajkowski> team owner and team contact are two different things unfortunately
[10:58] <czajkowski> vibhav: what is the website link ?
[10:58] <nigelb> did you email the mailing list?
[10:58] <nigelb> why are you only contacting the admin?
[10:58] <vibhav> nigelb: I emailed the admins
[10:58] <nigelb> Again, why the admins only?
[10:58] <nigelb> There's a whole crowd of us in the mailing list
[10:59] <vibhav> They were the one who could get the webiste back
[10:59] <nigelb> And if you bothered to ask, you'd know there's a redesign in progress.
[10:59] <nigelb> Not necessarily.
[10:59] <nigelb> I was to be hosting the website.
[10:59] <nigelb> Which I turned down because I don't have bandwidth to handle that as well.
[10:59] <nigelb> Now, instead of trying to take over the team, why don't you work with the team.
[10:59] <nigelb> Please.
[11:00] <vibhav> take over?
[11:01] <nigelb> You keep coming in here asking something to done, when you've not worked with the team.
[11:01] <elky> vibhav, what are you expecting to be done?
[11:02] <vibhav> Get the webiste back
[11:02] <vibhav> I emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:02] <vibhav> They said they have cc'ed the mails to the LoCo admins
[11:02] <czajkowski> vibhav: get the website back and do what
[11:02] <nigelb> The website is a wiki, in case you didn't notice.
[11:02] <czajkowski> vibhav: the team are working on re doing the website
[11:02] <nigelb> If you want to update, you can update.
[11:02] <nigelb> If you want to help residgn, email the list.
[11:04] <elky> vibhav, what's your definition of "get the website back"?
[11:05] <vibhav> elky: Get the LoCo website functioning just like any other LoCo website
[11:05] <elky> vibhav, can you show me what's wrong with it right now?
[11:06] <vibhav> elky: Its down
[11:06] <vibhav> ubuntu-in.org
[11:06] <vibhav> But since now Canonical Hosts these websites
[11:06] <elky> vibhav, that looks like someone else owns the domain
[11:06] <vibhav> I know
[11:07] <czajkowski> vibhav: the website is not hosted by canonical
[11:07] <vibhav> elky: That domain was once owned by the LoCo
[11:07] <elky> vibhav, it's not anymore. there's not anything that anyone at canonical can do to change that.
[11:07] <czajkowski> vibhav: yes but you do relaise coming in here on a weekly basis is not the best way to fix this
[11:07] <elky> not the team admins, not canonical, not even Mark can change that now.
[11:08] <czajkowski> I've told you before talk on the mailing list and talk to nigelb
[11:08] <nigelb> If you'd mentioned this on the mailing list, someone would have caught it sooner.
[11:08] <elky> nigelb, what's the actual url?
[11:08] <vibhav> The website doesn't exist anymore
[11:09]  * czajkowski bangs her head on the table
[11:09] <czajkowski> vibhav: we're going round in circles here
[11:09] <vibhav> czajkowski: I replied to elky's question
[11:09] <nigelb> elky: It's ubuntu-in.org or ubuntu-in.info
[11:09] <czajkowski> nigelb: my suggestion would be A) move back to cnaonical hosted wiki at least then people wont have to worry about bandiwdth
[11:10] <czajkowski> and from there go about sorting the website out
[11:10] <czajkowski> tbh you dont actually need a website
[11:10] <vibhav> why?
[11:10] <czajkowski> most of the work can and is done via a wiki page and the LTP
[11:10] <nigelb> LTP serves most of the purposes.
[11:10] <czajkowski> exactly
[11:10] <nigelb> and ubuntu wiki can fill in the gaps.
[11:10] <czajkowski> bingo
[11:10] <czajkowski> nigelb: can you talk to the sys admins about my suggestion
[11:10] <nigelb> czajkowski: I will, ASAP.
[11:10] <czajkowski> that may help get it back up and running and alive again please
[11:10] <head_victim> The only thing it's missing is a bit of a team blog.
[11:11] <czajkowski> nigelb: can you cc me/LC on it
[11:11] <nigelb> czajkowski: I'm pinging him on gtalk. he's a friend.
[11:11] <czajkowski> head_victim: each team can add url to there
[11:11] <czajkowski> nigelb: thanks
[11:11] <czajkowski> as I'm honeslty getting fed up of weekly pings about this and nothing being resolved one way or another
[11:12] <head_victim> Works well for event and meeting planning, photo sharing and listing other places for the team.
[11:18] <elky> wait, urlichs.de... that's just bad apache config. the domain is just still pointed at there but there's no config for it
[11:18] <elky> it's smurf's server
[11:18] <elky> nigelb, ^
[11:22] <nigelb> elky: oh cool. I'll get fixed tonight then.
[11:22] <elky> yay for communication!
[11:27] <elky> vibhav, perhaps you'd like to email the indian mailing list with a summary of this discussion?
[11:27] <elky> so people know what's up
[11:30] <vibhav> sure
[11:38] <elky> the ubuntu-in.INFO domain seems to have lapsed and been snapped up, the .ORG one is using canonical's dns, just needs to be redirected to the right place.
[11:59] <vibhav> nigelb: So what will be the final url of the website?
[12:01] <elky> ubuntu-in.org
[12:01] <vibhav> thanks
[12:14] <vibhav> Also, what does it take for a LoCo team to be approved?
[12:16] <head_victim> vibhav: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines is a good start
[12:17] <vibhav> thanks head_victim
[20:04] <greg-g> LoCo Council meeting happening in #ubuntu-meeting


[00:20] <asac> hmm ... new linux-headers
[00:20] <asac> does that mean there will be a new linux soon ;)?
[00:34] <fta> asac, http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/01/09/dell.notebooks.ces.2009/
[00:52] <asac> nice
[00:54] <asac> fta: i see that xul is building. thanks
[00:54] <asac> maybe i can even test it before ending day ;)
[03:53] <LaserJock> was FF 2 removed in Intrepid?
[03:58] <[reed]> I hope so.
[04:00] <LaserJock> [reed]: I was actually hoping it wasn't
[04:01] <LaserJock> I wanted to test FF 2 to see if it had less CPU usage
[04:01] <[reed]> why not? Firefox 2 is being deprecated :)
[04:02] <LaserJock> well, my wife's laptop gets thrashed by FF 3
[04:02] <[reed]> because of what exactly?
[04:02] <LaserJock> and I was reading that it was more IO bound because of sqlite
[04:02] <[reed]> yeah, probably
[04:02] <[reed]> if the kernel team would ever fix their fsync() bug
[04:02] <LaserJock> it uses 100% CPU all the time
[04:02] <LaserJock> I added 1GB of RAM thinking it was that but it's not
[04:03] <[reed]> you might try downloading Firefox 3.1 and testing it
[04:03] <LaserJock> it's an older laptop but it really didn't seem like it used to be *this* bad
[08:37] <asac> [reed]: its unlikely that fsync bug will ever get fixed for ext3 (though i dont even know a bug id to be honest)
[08:38] <asac> imo you should ask users to test a different file-system ... maybe ext4 is better? ;)
[09:01]  * asac still awake -> miracle ;)
[09:01]  * asac gets coffee
[09:16] <asac> fta: 316452
[09:16] <asac> bug 316452
[09:16] <asac> ;)
[09:16] <asac> there it is
[09:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: one question: what do you mean by "orthographic corrector"?
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> well the spell checker!
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> I guess I used to much Portuguese on it
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[09:45] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ok ;)
[10:53] <BUGabundo_work> but do you now know what I meant, asac?
[10:53] <BUGabundo_work> was it your doing or was it in the spellchecker?
[10:58] <asac> BUGabundo_work: no ;) ... i guess its probably spellcheker that got fixed/updated
[11:01] <BUGabundo_work> but FF was the only app that it didn't work with keyboard shortcut
[11:01] <BUGabundo_work> gwibber, kmail, OOo, etc all worked great!
[11:05] <asac> FF is still no real gnome app
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> yeah
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> nor is Kmail
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:23] <asac> fta: wtf ... someone edited whiteboard from ~mozillateam branch even though he is not a member of team?
[11:23] <asac> fta: ~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head
[11:23] <asac> not that i dont appreciate the content added there ... just feels like its a permission thing
[11:23] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i have no idea which keyboard shortcuts you are referring to ... are those standard bindings?
[11:24]  * asac reveals that he doesnt use spellchecker intensively
[11:44] <BUGabundo_work> asac: the key between altgr and ctrl... the one that emulates mouse right click
[13:13] <armin76> asac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Qwerty.svg <- the "application key"
[13:26] <BUGabundo_work> yeah that's it, armin76
[13:40] <fta2> Jan 13 12:23:57 <asac>  fta: wtf ... someone edited whiteboard from ~mozillateam branch even though he is not a member of team?
[13:40] <fta2> asac, yep, i wondered too. it's not me for sure
[13:41] <fta2> i don't see what has been changed.
[13:41] <fta2> asac, who is that guy btw?
[13:41] <asac> no clue (TM)
[13:41] <asac> dont know him
[13:41] <asac> "someone" ;)
[13:43] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~medigeek
[13:44] <fta2> bugsquad? could they update our branches?
[13:46] <fta2> i don"t see a diff in the email i got. the text looks like mine, maybe just the last line
[13:50] <asac> hmm
[13:50] <asac> NO CLUE (TM)
[13:52] <fta2> ok, i'll ask on #lp
[13:57] <asac> thanks
[14:00] <fta2> asac, read the answer :(
[14:04] <fta2> asac, it's not possible to run epiphany over ssh ?
[14:04] <fta2> damn
[14:04] <fta2> dbus
[14:05] <asac> fta2: evo is worse
[14:05] <asac> fta2: epiphany at least runs in a chroot for me
[14:05] <asac> while evo just crashes
[14:05] <asac> fta2: cant you do a proper forward?
[14:06] <fta2> i have a proper port forwarding
[14:07] <asac> for dbus?
[14:07] <fta2> well, no, X11
[14:09] <asac> not sure if one can forward unix sockets
[14:09] <asac> if so it should be doable
[14:09] <asac> otherwise wait for tcp dbus
[14:10] <asac> fta2: actually ... why wouldnt that work?
[14:11] <asac> i mean you run ephy on remote host ... on remote host there is dbus .. that should work
[14:11] <asac> it doesnt need to be forwarded to your system i guess
[14:11] <asac> maybe remote host doesnt have dbus running?
[14:17] <fta2> ** (epiphany-browser:21819): WARNING **: Unable to connect to session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-LzZUiyhzkn: Connection refused
[14:34] <fta2> asac, ^^ both sides have a desktop running so they both have dbus, it's a permission issue apparently
[14:44] <asac> fta2: i think its an env issue yeah
[14:45] <asac> fta2: ssh sets the dbus env ... to the file you have on your local system
[14:45] <asac> that file doesnt exist obviously
[14:45] <asac> what you probably need to do is to create a dbus session on the remote session after logging in and setting the env to the path created b taht
[17:38] <asac_> another sad reconnect here
[17:40] <vadi2> Hi. Does anyone have experience with the firefox code that interacts with networkmanager to see network status?
[17:44] <asac_> vadi2: yes
[17:44] <asac_> vadi2: whats your idea (i am almost out for a while though)
[17:44] <asac_> ?
[17:45] <vadi2> I need to ask network manager if the network is offline or no
[17:45] <vadi2> But unable to find any good tutorials on this so far.
[17:45] <vadi2> do you know anything that can help me started?
[17:46] <asac_> vadi2: is that a general question or in firefox?
[17:46] <asac_> in general its easy: just send a dbus message and you get the answer back
[17:46] <vadi2> no, I just know that firefox does this.
[17:46] <vadi2> well, tried - got access denied..
[17:47] <asac_> vadi2: did you try command line?
[17:47] <asac> e.g. dbus-send?
[17:47] <asac> vadi2: anyway ... have to run now. either wait a few hours; at best we can continue that in #nm channel (where others can help out too)
[17:47] <vadi2> not yet
[17:48] <vadi2> I will wait there
[17:48] <asac> good
[17:48] <asac> vadi2: please ping me in 3 hours or so ;)
[17:48] <asac> otherwise i might forget
[17:48] <vadi2> OK
[17:48] <asac> cu
[17:48] <vadi2> see you
[20:55] <fta> seems this guy likes backporting stuff. https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive
[21:07] <fta> jcastro, gwibber has really troubles with "+". I had one in my password, nada. Alsa, when I paste a link with a "+", the shorted url resolves without the "+".
[21:10] <fta> jcastro, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fennec/1.0~a2-0ubuntu1 gives me http://is.gd/fL38 which is "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/ source/fennec/1.0~a2-0ubuntu1" (note the space instead of the plus)
[21:11] <fta> bad encoding
[21:13] <fta> s/really/real/; i should reread myself, especially when i type while talking one the phone
[21:15] <jcastro> fta: yeah it's a known bug
[21:15] <fta> jcastro, problems with backslash too. impossible to type \o/
[21:16] <jcastro> yeah
[21:16] <fta> it shows o/
[21:16] <jcastro> he just added moved his branch from personal to a small team
[21:16] <jcastro> so fixes should start going in much faster
[21:16] <fta> nice
[21:16] <jcastro> there are a bunch of fixes sitting around
[22:20] <Jazzva> does anyone here know how to contact aza raskin? I want to ask him about packaging ubiquity extension...
[22:20] <Jazzva> (well, it's packaged actually, I just need to finish copyright file)
[23:12] <asac> Jazzva: i already asked them i think
[23:13] <asac> Jazzva: at best file a bug if ubiquity has a bugzilla component
[23:13] <asac> refer to the fennec bug ... which is in progress
[23:13] <asac> Jazzva: mozilla bug 471474
[23:21] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fennec/1.0~a2-0ubuntu1
[23:22] <asac> fta: luck ;)
[23:24] <fta> hm, my ppa is full, once again
[23:27] <asac> let me check whether we have new nss/nspr transition bugs
[23:27] <Jazzva> asac: it's stated that it's under trilicense, I just need contact information for the copyright file, and to ask upstream if they're happy with us packaging their extension :)
[23:28] <Jazzva> off for a while...
[23:28] <fta> asac, hurry, alpha3 is frozen ;)
[23:31] <asac> fta: what is left to do for us?
[23:31] <asac> fta: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21134289/var-log-apt-term.log
[23:32] <asac> somehow libnss was upgraded before libnspr?
[23:32] <asac> how can that be?
[23:32] <asac> did i mess up the build depends lower bounds or what?
[23:33] <asac> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libnspr4-0d (>= 4.7.3-0ubuntu1~), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9)
[23:33] <asac> thats ok
[23:33] <asac> (libnss3-1d)
[23:33] <fta> it looks like it's the postinst step
[23:34] <asac> fta: Log started : markers are for independent apt-get update runs
[23:34] <asac> look at the very bottom
[23:34] <asac> or isnt that true?
[23:34] <asac> e.g. one marker for each upgrade
[23:35] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/104596/
[23:36] <asac> fta: well grep can be tricky
[23:36] <asac> look at the bottom of the log
[23:36] <asac> there it is
[23:36] <asac> hmm
[23:36] <asac> i see what you mean ;)
[23:37] <asac> anyway ...
[23:37] <fta> lol, grep is grep, it's not tricky, it gives you what you asked for
[23:37] <asac> no ... i thought you didnt look in the log at all ;)
[23:37] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/104598/
[23:38] <fta> so he install --reinstall libnss3-1d
[23:39] <fta> and libnspr4-0d later on
[23:40] <asac> wh/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libplds4.so is not a symbolic link
[23:40] <asac> [1~[3~[3~
[23:40] <asac> what sswatwhats the problem there?
[23:41] <asac> urgh ;;)
[23:42] <fta> are you trying to do some form of utf8 art ?
[23:44] <fta> my PPA now has 7G
[23:44] <asac> thats good
[23:44] <asac> its supposed to grow forever
[23:44] <asac> as history is preserved ;)
[23:44] <asac> so mozilla-central is heavily on fire again
[23:46] <fta> asac, it seems wrong now, read the #lp discussion between wgrant and cprov for earlier today
[23:46] <fta> asac, around 21:20
[23:47] <asac> am i on #lp?
[23:47] <fta> #launchpad, yes
[23:47] <asac> nope ... seems i wasnt (left again)
[23:48] <asac> i wasnt in at that time ;)
[23:48] <fta> oh
[23:49] <fta> asac, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/13/%23launchpad.html  start at 20:20
[23:50] <asac> new brainstorm ;) ... http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[23:50] <fta> looks like old deb are gone after 30 days to me
[23:54] <asac> really?
[23:54] <asac> "only superseded packages for obsolete distros are marked as Obsolete. The latest versions still Published."
[23:54] <asac> not sure what that means for ppas
[23:54] <asac> probably doesnt apply there
[23:54] <asac> but if we need it we can ask ;)
[23:55] <asac> how long does moz keep ffox dailies?
[23:56] <asac> forever?
[23:56] <asac> seems like
[23:56] <asac> 2004 at least
[23:57] <asac> crazy ;)
[23:57] <asac> i doubt that you can do that with all revisions of a full ubuntu archive ;)
[23:57] <fta> isn't it what snapshot.d.o is doing?
[23:57] <asac> yeah ... just thinking about it
[23:57] <asac> but those are not dailies ;)
[23:58] <asac> like what we want to do in ppa
[23:58] <asac> even for each and every commit ;)
[23:58] <asac> commit packages for ever ;)
[23:58] <asac> wow
[23:58] <asac> think about it
[23:59] <fta> jcastro, do you plan to update the gwibber ppa soon or should I go on and make my own update?
[23:59] <asac> hehe
[23:59] <asac> feel the pressure of fta
[23:59] <asac> fta: how about shaping and uploading to archive ;)?


[00:50] <philipballew> cyphase, yeah!
[00:54] <philipballew> ive never really been, can anyone describe the maker fair to me?
[01:02] <cyphase> there are 3 things going on this weekend that i probably wont be able to make :(
[01:02] <cyphase> makerfaire, http://www.northbaywebconference.com/, and the eclipse
[01:07] <philipballew> what are you gonna be doing this weekend cyphase ?
[01:42] <MarkDude> How can you not make the eclipse?
[01:42] <MarkDude> Are you planning on being really drunk?
[01:42] <MarkDude> Or maybe closing your eyes?
[01:42] <MarkDude> :)
[01:42]  * MarkDude kids
[01:42] <MarkDude> because he is a kidder
[01:46] <philipballew> I might, if I owned a telescope
[01:49] <philipballew> MarkDude, so your still having the eclipse party tomorrow with the open bar and inviting everybody right?
[01:49] <philipballew> :)
[01:50] <MarkDude> Maybe
[01:51] <MarkDude> Danville is not too far for folks
[01:51] <MarkDude> We can do a bbq and stuff
[01:51] <MarkDude> Just let me know ahead of time
[01:51] <MarkDude> The gaurdshack wont let you in.... Unless your name is phoned in
[01:52]  * MarkDude ONLY uses fake names for guests
[01:52] <philipballew> LINUX party at MarkDude 's!!!!
[01:53] <MarkDude> grantbow, needed to pick sumthin up from my place. The gaurds loled when I told them Dangerous G was coming soon
[01:53]  * MarkDude did not make G disclose his middle name of MFing
[01:53] <MarkDude> ^^^ True story
[01:54] <philipballew> I need to good name when I do sometime then
[01:59] <philipballew> what does one have to do to get a mf middle name MarkDude ?
[01:59] <MarkDude> It takes a bit
[01:59] <MarkDude> others have to decide it to be proper
[01:59]  * MarkDude will PM you a link of notable MFers
[01:59] <philipballew> a MFing committee
[02:00] <MarkDude> sorta
[02:00]  * philipballew will receive the mf list
[02:00] <MarkDude> #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic
[03:06] <scientes> MarkDude, party really?
[03:07] <MarkDude> We can do a bbq
[03:07]  * MarkDude is always open for a bbq
[03:07] <scientes> where? can you send me an invite?
[03:07] <MarkDude> Well its not planned yet
[03:07] <MarkDude> if we can get at least 5 people interested
[03:08]  * MarkDude is in Danville
[03:08] <MarkDude> Meeting up in Walnut Creek works easier for some
[03:08] <MarkDude> right near bart, and we have heather farms and also civic park
[03:09] <scientes> well u got me signed up
[03:11] <scientes> thats really on the bart way out there
[03:11] <scientes> all pleasanton train
[03:12] <MarkDude> Well danivlle is at least an 45 minute busride from WC
[03:12] <MarkDude> 15 minute drive
[03:12] <scientes> oOo
[03:12] <scientes> when you said close i thought like UDS close
[03:12] <scientes> to the bart
[03:12] <MarkDude> Well WC is better option
[03:13] <MarkDude> Civic park is like a 10 minute walk
[03:13] <MarkDude> from bart
[03:14] <philipballew> MarkDude, whats the day?
[03:15]  * philipballew kinda feels bad that people now expect him to have a party
[03:15] <MarkDude> Sunday
[03:15] <MarkDude> we could meet Sunday afternoon
[03:15] <MarkDude> again this is all last moment- lets go have some fun
[03:15] <MarkDude> the next REAL one is most likely June 23rd
[03:16] <MarkDude> Sponsored party no less, in honor of Beefy Miracle
[03:16] <MarkDude> philipballew, dont feel bad
[03:16] <MarkDude> I love to party
[03:16] <philipballew> ain't no party like a MarkDude party
[03:17] <MarkDude> There ya go
[03:17] <MarkDude> Someone was asking for my help at tech stuff
[03:17]  * MarkDude said he is good at wearing a penguin suit, bbq, and talking
[03:17] <MarkDude> And sometimes wearing a apenguin suit WHILE talking
[03:18] <philipballew> There was a story yesterday about a biker on the tour de California being chased by a guy in a Penguin suit.
[03:18] <philipballew> We now know who stole your suit
[03:19] <akk> ha, that sounds like a story worth reading
[03:19] <akk> Was penguin suit guy also on a bike?
[03:21] <philipballew> Maybe. I saw it on ABC 7 yesterday
[03:23] <scientes> MarkDude, can you send me an invite on the Beefy Miricle
[03:23] <scientes> it got posponed a week, does that change the party date?
[03:27] <MarkDude> Wel the Miracle party will be promoted
[03:27] <MarkDude> And even tho its for another Distro
[03:27]  * MarkDude has set up making sure to have Ubuntu media there for it
[03:27] <MarkDude> as I did last event
[03:28]  * MarkDude met with pleia2 in SF to get that media
[03:28] <MarkDude> was with Nixie Pixel for a flashmob
[03:28] <philipballew> whats the date of the party MarkDude I need an excuse to wear my fedora sgirt
[03:28] <philipballew> *shirt
[03:28] <MarkDude> pleia2, walks up hands a bag over to me- says she has servers to watch
[03:29] <philipballew> servers can watch themselves
[03:29] <MarkDude> Nixie Princess. Princess meet Nixie
[03:29] <philipballew> never met her
[03:29] <MarkDude> Lyz walks off to leave Nixie saying that looked like some FOSS drug deal
[03:30] <MarkDude> Anyway, I digress.
[03:32] <philipballew> thats the youtube girl right?
[03:32] <philipballew> I know no other way to ask
[03:39] <raevol> if anyone wants to take a look at a Unity Dash issue, curious why my fable icons aren't working in unity: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139204/how-can-i-get-the-desktop-name-and-icon-to-show-up-in-unity-for-fable-on-wine
[03:40] <MarkDude> Yes. She is the woman that has made a lving off of video games
[03:40] <MarkDude> Or she is ok with being called that geeky youtube chick
[03:41] <philipballew> Ive never met her, she seems nice though MarkDude
[03:41] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/markterranova if anyone wants to add me for the tomfoolery
[03:41] <MarkDude> actually she is one of the nicest folks you'll ever meet
[03:42] <philipballew> is she a linux user
[03:43] <MarkDude> Yes.
[03:43] <MarkDude> Linux Mint. Ubuntu. Fedora
[03:43] <MarkDude> thats her preference
[03:43] <MarkDude> in that order
[03:43] <philipballew> Feel free to follow me for the same reasons https://twitter.com/#!/philipballew
[03:44] <philipballew> MarkDude, I have had several people attack linux mint based on the creators, which is a off based stance, though it seems like a nice distro
[03:44]  * MarkDude thought he was already following you
[03:45] <MarkDude> corrected
[03:45] <philipballew> I now follow you as well
[03:45] <MarkDude> well, it gets into culty type stuff
[03:45] <MarkDude> Its like belief systems
[03:46] <philipballew> how so?
[03:46] <MarkDude> I mean I like how Fedora has the Freedom stance, and they take it soooooo far
[03:46] <philipballew> very far
[03:46] <MarkDude> But is comes down to hey- this crap WONT work on this machine
[03:46] <MarkDude> So you end up with driver issues
[03:47] <MarkDude> I think folks that are upset with Mint, have become more upset after Unity
[03:47] <philipballew> it just depends on the kernel shipped for drivers really though
[03:48]  * MarkDude had someone complaining in Fedora about drivers and how they - well lack in some cases
[03:48]  * MarkDude said - you are a vegan now
[03:48] <MarkDude> Ubuntu are vegetarians
[03:48] <MarkDude> they have more choices
[03:49] <philipballew> There upset people switch and find a reason such as the "stealing of money" or the "Antisemitism"
[03:49] <MarkDude> Well maybe vegetarians that also eat fish, but I digress
[03:49] <akk> Fun analogies.
[03:49]  * MarkDude was not up to date  on that, I should read up
[03:49] <MarkDude> lol - I think its accurate - to some extent tho :)
[03:50] <philipballew> all drivers should be opened
[03:50] <philipballew> I dont understand Antisemitism myself so it is hard to relate to being brought up that way
[03:50] <MarkDude> FSF exteme folks  are like raw food eaters. they cant eat it if its been cooked
[03:51]  * MarkDude knows not enough to comment on Mint - its been years since I used it
[03:51] <philipballew> http://thestallmandialogues.com/
[03:51] <philipballew> I dont know enough to make a stance either
[03:51] <MarkDude> Hmmmmm,
[03:52]  * MarkDude feels another talk coming on
[03:52] <MarkDude> I dont think my veggie> vegan, raw food talk would play outside of West Coast tho
[03:52] <MarkDude> :D
[03:52] <akk> All I know about Mint is that a lot of people are treating it as "Ubuntu without Unity, with old Gnome 2"
[03:52] <akk> and that it seems to have a lot of different versions/offshoots
[03:52] <MarkDude> akk correct again
[03:53] <MarkDude> Well all the names are of women also
[03:53] <akk> and it's green instead of aubergine or orange or brown :)
[03:54]  * MarkDude was ok wthh human color of Ubuntu
[03:54] <MarkDude> But doe snot miss the *what can brown do for you ?* jokes
[03:54] <philipballew> if you want gnome 2, why not just run debian squeeze?
[03:54] <akk> I was glad to see the brown go away. I wanted some color.
[03:55] <philipballew> I like purple myself
[03:55] <akk> Not that I actually use the default desktop anyway, it was just the principle.
[03:55] <akk> The purple is better.
[03:55] <philipballew> hipper as well
[03:55] <akk> Though needing to learn the word "aubergine" to refer to it probably doesn't help newbies.
[03:56] <philipballew> THe brown did set it apart
[03:57] <akk> Mint's green always makes me think of SuSE -- they were green first.
[03:58]  * MarkDude is most liekly going to be turned down for using Fedora Blue in a logo- by RH legal
[03:59] <MarkDude> Soooooo, he is calling their bluff, and saying he will use aubergine
[03:59] <MarkDude> :D
[04:00] <philipballew> SuSE is nice. Its like slackware, without the slackware
[04:00] <MarkDude> And without the Zonker anymore
[04:01] <MarkDude> Suse is dead to me after they got rid of Joe Brockmeir
[04:01] <philipballew> the suse guy at scale told me his take on osx
[04:01] <MarkDude> sp
[04:01] <philipballew> "Unix for Girls"
[04:01] <philipballew> was not sure what to say back
[04:01] <MarkDude> Sounds like sumthin that could be said
[04:02] <MarkDude> by that distro
[04:02] <philipballew> for sure.
[04:02] <MarkDude> actually more likely I would guess Gentoo :D
[04:02] <philipballew> i said, "Yeah! I know tons of women that use that system!"
[04:02] <philipballew> I hope he took it the way I intended
[04:03] <philipballew> I was still able to get a free shirt from them as well
[04:04] <philipballew> I always wonder about gentoo.
[04:04] <philipballew> Its a nice enough system though
[04:05] <MarkDude> nothing wrong with it technically
[04:05] <MarkDude> But its where many trolls go to complete their schooling
[04:05] <MarkDude> IMHO
[04:05] <akk> A lot of smart techies use gentoo.
[04:05] <philipballew> Schooling in what way?
[04:06] <akk> But you can waste a lot of time in the rathole of gentoo re-configuration.
[04:06] <akk> I waste enough time on ubuntu and debian configuration, I don't really need to find a distro that eats up even more of that. :)
[04:06] <philipballew> if you want to go that route, id say arch
[04:07] <akk> Agreed, arch has a lot of the benefits of gentoo (and many of the same problems as well) but is a lot less of a time sink.
[04:07] <akk> (for normal operations ... of course any distro becomes a time sink when something breaks)
[04:08] <philipballew> even in ubuntu.
[04:08] <akk> definitely including ubunt
[04:08] <akk> u
[04:08] <philipballew> I recall back in the brown days spending a solid 15 hours rebuilding my sound just to get it working
[04:09] <akk> but I had more, serious, bustages in arch and gentoo that became showstoppers, whereas with ubuntu I can usually find workarounds
[04:09] <bkerensa> akk: scripts are your friend for configuration :)
[04:09]  * MarkDude spent all sorts of time lurning how to work with debconf to help with video
[04:09]  * bkerensa has a script he runs after every fresh install that installs all the packages he uses and configures everything to the letter :)
[04:09] <MarkDude> Once I felt cool with it, that was removed from Ubuntu
[04:09] <akk> bkerensa: Depends on what's broken. Scripts don't help much if udev isn't creating your device, for example.
[04:10] <bkerensa> yeah true
[04:10] <akk> (a common problem I have with ubuntu)
[04:10] <philipballew> debconf is confusing
[04:10] <bkerensa> FYI... USB 3.0 is for the win!
[04:10] <bkerensa> especially for Ubuntu installs :)
[04:10]  * bkerensa needs to get a SSD soon
[04:10]  * akk wants an SSD too
[04:12]  * philipballew still runs pata
[04:12] <akk> It's sad how fast stores stopped selling pata stuff.
[04:15] <philipballew> i went to best buy on a papa clearence sale and got a 500 gb
[04:19]  * MarkDude got some usb drives for the party, they were about a dollar a gig
[04:20] <philipballew> i got a mysql flash drive at uds, and its bootstraped with mysql documents
[04:20] <philipballew> very unhappy about this
[04:20] <akk> You can't overwrite them?
[04:22]  * akk needs to find a cheap source for 10 4G usb drives, was surprised to find pangolin doesn't really fit in 2g
[04:22] <philipballew> nope. mkfs wont do anything. or gparted
[04:22] <akk> philipballew: Weird! Are they read-only or something? What's the error?
[04:23] <philipballew> akk, the flash drive boots up as sdb and sdc. sdb is a read only partition showing a bunch of mysql papers that cant be deleted. or mounted as read write.
[04:23] <MarkDude> Office Depot may still have some on sale


[13:31] <Dha> Hello, I am new to upstart and have some question to implement it on RHEL 6 ...
[13:32] <Dha> when we install upstart, do we have to convert services manually to upstart ? for example we have services under init.d like nfs, nis, kerberos., automount .. do i have to convert them all to manage by upstart ?
[13:33] <Dha> or are they available somewhere , already tested ?
[13:39] <Dha> Hello ? any help ?
[13:54] <Dha> guys, any help will really appriciate ..
[14:40] <rlaager> I have a daemon (libvirt-bin) that, in my deployment, requires NFS filesystems to be mounted. What sort of changes can I make to the "start on runlevel [2345]" line to delay starting it until after network filesystems are mounted?
[14:41] <rlaager> Do I want "start on runlevel [2345] and remote-filesystems", or just "start on remote-filesystems", or something else entirely?
[16:41] <Dha> Hello, anyone here to help me with upstart ?


[00:23] <mapwrk> Hi all
[00:23] <mapwrk> Androis irc app
[00:23] <mapwrk> Works qiire well :)
[00:23] <daftykins> i use andchat
[00:25] <mapwrk> Hm maybe il check it iut
[00:26] <daftykins> heh i've grabbed a second laptop to use in the lounge as mine is playing the baseball stream on the TV :D
[00:27] <mapwrk> You watch baseball's?
[00:27] <daftykins> well, baseball yep
[00:28] <mapwrk> Whixh game you on
[00:28] <mapwrk> You use mlbtv?
[00:29] <daftykins> yeah paid $19.99 for a month to try mlb.tv out
[00:29] <daftykins> watching Yankes vs. Royals
[00:29] <daftykins> :D
[00:29] <mapwrk> Ah
[00:30] <mapwrk> Gonna subscribe perm?
[00:30] <daftykins> so expensive really :( although it does have some cool features, like being able to have two streams open in the same window
[00:31] <daftykins> e.g. say someone hits a homerun, you hit a menu and can rewatch it at any time :D
[00:31] <daftykins> plays it in a little corner frame
[00:31] <mapwrk> Isnt it cheap for a seaaon sub
[00:31] <daftykins> $100+
[00:32] <daftykins> and that's only the PC version
[00:32] <daftykins> you have to pay more if you want the cross platform / mobile device version
[00:59] <mapwrk> Ah righr
[00:59] <mapwrk> We got it at work
[00:59] <mapwrk> Worka on cell tablet etc
[01:00] <daftykins> :D
[02:10] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-Weatherproof-Megapixels-Hi-Resolution-Vandalproof/dp/B00NZWIZYS
[02:10] <daftykins> this looks fun
[02:20] <daftykins> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.softwarebakery.drivedroid&hl=en_GB
[02:20] <daftykins> wow
[02:20] <daftykins> boot ISOs from your android :>
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> i'd rather boot other oses on my android device
[02:24] <zmoylan-pi> mostly as android sucks more and more as time goes by
[02:25] <daftykins> ok
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:32] <bashrc> morning
[12:32] <bashrc> attempting a Trisquel install on an old netbook
[12:38] <intrbiz> morning
[12:40] <bigcalm> Simplest way to share a VPN connection to a network?
[12:41] <bigcalm> Sadly the office router doesn't know how to connect to a IPSec VPN, so it'll have to be a done on a headless box
[12:42] <intrbiz> easiest way is to make your headless box the gateway / router for your office
[12:43] <intrbiz> bigcalm: is this the windows only VPN too?
[12:44] <bigcalm> intrbiz: The windows/mac only vpn client is how we individually use the VPN right now. But as the office has a static IP address, we will be able to get a site to site tunnel set-up
[12:44] <directhex> well, i do similar
[12:44] <directhex> i have a linux box connected to a remote endpoint via openvpn, serving up access ot that remote network to VMs and to eth2
[12:44] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ah, ok
[12:46] <bigcalm> Considering that we now have the managed switch, we'll be setting up some new networking fun in the office
[12:46] <bigcalm> Keeping company and rented space connections seperated
[12:47] <bigcalm> separated
[12:48] <intrbiz> bigcalm: sure, remember you still need something to handle routing + dhcp
[12:48] <bigcalm> There is a proliant micro server sitting in one of the networked cupboards that will become file storage (and a minecraft server) for the company
[12:48] <bigcalm> Indeed
[12:48] <bigcalm> Maybe we turn the microserver over to being a router for the office, I don't know
[12:49] <anglisc> anyone install and run ubuntu from sd card or usb>
[12:49] <bigcalm> What routing packages are there that have a good web UI and can do ipsec?
[12:50] <intrbiz> I've ran Linux from USB 2.0 sticks before, you'll need a good one, don't expect good perf
[12:50] <anglisc> cheers
[12:51] <anglisc> I think im going to give up on SD card and get usb 3 stick
[12:51] <intrbiz> bigcalm: I just use stock openSUSE and shorewall
[12:51] <intrbiz> bigcalm: if you wan pretty gui, then maybe smoothwall if that still exists
[12:51] <bigcalm> I'd prefer to use Ubuntu ;)
[12:51] <intrbiz> bigcalm: choice of distro is up to you
[12:52] <bigcalm> Functional and not a pain in the arse to use is what I call a good UI :)
[12:52]  * bigcalm goes to look at shorewall
[12:52] <intrbiz> bigcalm: your rule set will be tiny, so I'd not be concerned about a UI myself
[12:52] <bigcalm> Future proofing
[12:52] <bigcalm> To an extent
[12:54] <bigcalm> I'll play with my own proliant micro server at home
[12:55] <intrbiz> bigcalm: how many NICs does it have?
[12:55] <bigcalm> The micro servers have just 1 NIC. Do they need a 2nd?
[12:56] <intrbiz> with only one, you'd need to VLAN trunk from your switch
[12:56] <bigcalm> I think I'll be able to add a 2nd nic
[12:57] <intrbiz> USB adapter will do for testing / POC
[12:57] <intrbiz> temporary router I setup in last company, was a spare desktop with 6 USB ethernet adapters
[12:58] <bigcalm> Nice
[12:58] <intrbiz> quick and dirty, but it worked well, ended up being in use for a good few months
[13:01] <intrbiz> bigcalm: if the box has a spare pci-e slot, you can pickup dual port gige cards for about £20 on ebay
[13:01] <bigcalm> Gah. Too much for my non-network brain to cope with
[13:01] <bigcalm> As it is, I don't know how we are going to configure the managed switch
[13:02] <intrbiz> :)
[13:02] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have brought it home to play with
[13:02] <intrbiz> what make / model was it?
[13:02]  * bigcalm ponders a trip into Shrewsbury
[13:04] <bigcalm> http://www.buycom108.com/PDF/MSW-2402T_ds_english.pdf
[13:05] <bigcalm> Haven't let found a manual
[13:15] <intrbiz> time for a trip to the coffee shop me thinks
[14:00] <bigcalm> cr?
[14:07] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: chromebook
[14:08] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:10] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: did you go to shrewsbury?
[14:15] <bigcalm> intrbiz_cr: na, not yet. Been pottering around at home
[14:15] <bigcalm> Picked Hayley up from the airport at 4.30am this morning. Got home about 7am and went back to sleep
[14:15] <bigcalm> It's an odd day
[14:16] <bigcalm> We might go to a restaurant in Uffington this evening. If so, I'll pop into the office and pick up the switch then
[14:17] <bigcalm> intrbiz_cr: have you been to the Corbet Arms in Uffington?
[14:18] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: nope, not been there myself
[14:18] <bigcalm> We went there a couple of months ago. I had the most wonderful ribeye steak.
[14:19] <bigcalm> In fact, it's the only place I've had ribeye. And I want it again
[14:19] <bigcalm> They also had 3 Salopian brews on tap
[14:19] <bigcalm> Shropshire Gold, on of the Darwins and something else I forget
[14:20] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: Oracle perchance?
[14:20] <bigcalm> Quite possibly
[14:21] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: I was impressed by the ale on-tap at the pub SLUG meet up at
[14:21] <bigcalm> The Cock House Hotel?
[14:24] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: yeh
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> hellos
[17:37] <penguin42> his
[18:35] <brobostigon> evenings
[23:28] <diddledan> dyson handheld has a "v6 digital motor" <-- marketing people have lost the plot
[23:33] <daftykins> :D
[23:33] <daftykins> well sure, it's either off or on, right?
[23:38] <intrbiz> they're actually quite complex switched reluctance motors, which quite alot of digital control
[23:38] <intrbiz> s/which/with/