[12:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what the heck was going on in the background when you called me?
[12:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I had the radio on :)
[12:15] <Riddell> actually internet streaming so it would probably have been directly into skype
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...couldnt hear much of you - in fact, if i hadnt recognised your voice, wouldnt have known it was you.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:20] <toma> Riddell: when is a new meeting?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> toma: next wednesday, 2100ut
[12:21] <Hobbsee> c
[12:21] <toma> in 8 days, right?
[12:21] <Riddell> yes
[12:21] <Riddell> we need to tell fridge
[12:21] <toma> oki
[12:24] <toma> because it is turning?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> spinning, i mean
[12:26] <kwwii_> Riddell: I will be going on vacation until the developer sprint so I might not make it to the meeting
[12:27] <Riddell> kwwii_: ok
[12:27] <Riddell> kwwii_: do we have a timescale for getting artwork into edgy?
[12:27] <kwwii_> Riddell: I told Jane and Matt about it as well
[12:28] <kwwii_> Riddell: well, pretty much the same stuff that is on the wiki (the spec)
[12:28] <kwwii_> I guess that most stuff we finally be included at the sprint
[12:28] <kwwii_> Riddell: of course, we could put stuff in now, to test, etc....I have a lot of stuff done
[12:29] <kwwii_> to be honest, I have been scared to install edgy on my laptop :-)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: now come on, it's not that broken.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: :P
[12:29] <Hobbsee> besides, breakage is fun.
[12:30] <kwwii_> that is the thing, I do not know how broken it is, but I have heard things, and when I hear things and think of ppc, I "just say no" :p
[12:30] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: ooh, ppc.  lovely.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: i hear things are really broken there
[12:31] <kwwii_> lol
[12:31] <omeow> =/
[12:32] <omeow> renderaccel off is so slow
[12:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: fix it?
[12:33] <omeow> I can see the sentences in konversation being rendered.
[12:33] <omeow> How do you expect me to fix it? I don't work at nvidia, I don't have the nvidia driver source and I can't code. :)
[12:33] <omeow> I'm just mentioning a problem.
[12:34] <omeow> problem appears to be that the nvidia driver doesn't support the latest abr or whatever the module/extension thing was.
[12:35] <Riddell> kwwii_: you don't need to update to edgy to upload artwork
[12:36] <kwwii_> Riddell: so how are we going to do this, this time?
[12:36] <kwwii_> :-)
[12:36] <Riddell> send me new kubuntu-default-settings packages preferably
[12:37] <Riddell> but otherwise just a URL to the artwork would work
[12:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: I will set up pbuild on my laptop, and with, once again, a bit of help I can make a package. Please understand that because I only build packages 2 or 3 times a year that I might need a nudge here and there :-)
[12:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: I don't think it even needs a pbuilder, just wget the source from archive.ubuntu.com, dpkg-source -x *dsc to extract, modify, dch -i to add a changelog and debuild to build
[12:44] <kwwii_> Riddell: cool, I will put something together soon (once I am somewhat happy with it)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> toma: did you win?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> toma: i guess if you did, if you said played, not fought with
[12:45] <toma> in the end yes
[12:45] <kwwii_> everyone should check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas and tell me which wallpaper they like best
[12:45] <kwwii_> Riddell: so, how does the development process of edgy work? when are the next official builds?
[12:45] <toma> Hobbsee: i've got to pbuilders for edgy and dapper with an autosync of the results to http://kubuntu.omat.nl
[12:45] <toma> s/to/two/
[12:46] <toma> and learned a lot ;-)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: i like the flower pic, actually.
[12:46] <Riddell> kwwii_: we have daily CD builds, Knot testing CDs are every two to three weeks
[12:46] <kwwii_> in some ways, I am learning that there is a different way of making linux than the way suse does/did it
[12:46] <Hobbsee> if not, the newtest stuff also looks nice
[12:47] <Riddell> kwwii_: but people like Hobbsee do daily dist-upgrades and get the latest stuff each day
[12:47] <Hobbsee> toma: nice
[12:48] <kwwii_> hehe, so she only uses xterm and command line based utilities on a daily basis?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: i've yet to lose X, although i think i dist-upgraded and waited till the right time.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: lost ethernet for a day or so though
[12:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: that was interesting
[12:48] <kwwii_> the X part, and the networking part, is what always fscks up on ppc
[12:49] <kwwii_> and the mouse as well
[12:49] <kwwii_> x works but the mouse and/or keyboard does not work
[12:49] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:49] <Hobbsee> bye all
[12:50] <kwwii_> I'll post larger versions of those pics somewhere (can't really put them on the wiki)
[12:50] <kwwii_> I am using newtest5.png, and it is pretty nice...better than you would think, looking at it at small sizes
[12:59] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/edgyWallpaper.tar.gz
[01:00] <kwwii_> has all the new color variants of the wave form wallpaper
[01:01] <RadiantFire> i like newtest5b.png the best
[01:02] <Riddell> RadiantFire: bah, blue
[01:02] <RadiantFire> i like blue!
[01:02] <RadiantFire> blue is my favorite color
[01:03] <RadiantFire> blame it on my parents for painting my ceiling blue when I was a child
[01:03] <Riddell> I'm still not convinced by newtest5.png, 5c remains my favourite
[01:06] <RadiantFire> for some reason the color gradiation seems more jarring in the light purple
[01:21] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:22] <kwwii_> I could make the outer color in the gradient a bit closer to the inner one
[01:22] <kwwii_> remeber that those are just ideas, not final works
[01:22] <kwwii_> s/remeber/remember
[01:22] <kwwii_> blue is boring
[01:23] <kwwii_> :p
[01:27] <kwwii_> ok, about time for bed here
[01:27] <kwwii_> night
[02:44] <bddebian> Hello
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hi again all, hi Riddell
[03:42] <RadiantFire> Hobbsee: u still there?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> RadiantFire: yes
[10:13] <hunger> Any news on the edgy/arts crashes with the new kde?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> hunger: i saw updates, apparently Riddell fixed it.  i'm still getting sigseiv's though
[10:14] <omeow> Haven't had any crashes yet. What do you have problems with?
[10:14] <hunger> Riddell said he had uploaded a new kdemultimedia to fix that problem, but I have not seen the updates yet.
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hunger: i downloaded them off the gb mirrors a few hours ago
[10:15] <hunger> omeow: kde354's artsd crashes all the timep
[10:15] <omeow> Oh, I guess I don't get crashes because I don't use arts.
[10:15] <hunger> Hobbsee: They are on kubuntu.rog, aren't they?
[10:16] <Hobbsee> hunger: dunno.  oh, actually...yeah...
[10:16] <Hobbsee> hunger: i thought they'd been downloaded from main
[10:17] <hunger> Hobbsee: I do not understand why that stuff is not in main either:-(
[10:17] <Hobbsee> hunger: it can take a while to get thru
[10:17] <Hobbsee> hunger: oo.o got upgraded again - that keeps the buildds busy
[10:19] <omeow> I think I just found a bug in openoffice.
[10:19] <Hobbsee> omeow: i'm sure there are many :P
[10:20] <omeow> If you have a table at the start of your document, and you want to select all text (pressing ctrl+a), only the first cell of the table is selected, if you press it again, all the text from the table is selected, but it never selects any text outside the table.
[10:22] <omeow> Shouldn't select all, select all text in your document, not just the table? :)
[10:23] <omeow> she's a girl
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hunger: it's not fixed.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hunger: i'm still getting the crashes
[10:23] <Hobbsee> omeow: yeah, that too.
[10:23] <omeow> :)
[10:23] <hunger> Hobbsee: Oh, then I might have those fixes, too;-)
[10:24] <danimo> moin!
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hi danimo!
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe
[10:24] <hunger> omeow: So what? Being a girl helps in online games, but it shouldn't matter with apt:-)
[10:24] <danimo> hi Hobbsee :)
[10:25] <hunger> hi danimo.
[10:25] <omeow> You'd be supprised. ;)
[10:25] <Hobbsee> 66720340ce6c832e674f72fb59a91205
[10:25] <Hobbsee> 66720340ce6c832e674f72fb59a91205
[10:25] <omeow> Thanks for your serial number!
[10:25] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[10:25] <Hobbsee> omeow: heh.
[10:25] <Hobbsee> omeow: it's not a serial number
[10:25] <omeow> I know.
[10:25] <omeow> Just joking.
[10:25] <Hobbsee> hunger: it does help for a few other things :P
[10:26] <Hobbsee> omeow: md5sums of debian and ubuntu kiwi .orig.tar.gz's
[10:32] <hunger> Hobbsee: I sure hope so... There must be some advantage to counter the higher live expectancy:-)
[10:33] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe
[10:35] <hunger> Hmmm... somebody seems to be creaping through LP, closing my bugreports.
[10:36] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: hm, why kiwi?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's listed as a manual merge.  yeah, it just got synced
[10:37] <ajmitch> I saw it in my daily bug mail
[10:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, you who's subscribed to evertying
[10:39] <ajmitch> yep
[10:39] <ajmitch> or just the ubuntu-bugs mailing list
[10:39] <Hobbsee> or that
[10:39] <Hobbsee> mailing lists are evil.
[10:39] <ajmitch> there's only ~80K emails in that folder
[11:37] <Tm_T> 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted' and ' ... universe' is all I need with adgy?
[11:37] <Tm_T> edgy even
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[11:40] <Tm_T> ugh, upgrade ->
[11:42] <pygi> raphink, poke :)
[11:43] <raphink> pong pygi
[11:43] <pygi> raphink, this bug has debdiff, lsb-base is in main, and the debdiff seems sane,so why not commit?
[11:43] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/14918
[11:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14918 in kdebase "kdm is missing dependency on lsb-base" [High,Confirmed]
[11:44] <raphink> pygi: hmm ok
[11:44] <raphink> I have to add that to my TODO list
[11:44] <pygi> raphink, thanks :)
[11:45] <pygi> raphink, I suggest you test this prior to doing any action
[11:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[11:47] <pygi> raphink, the bug is from dapper beta, perhaps this is fixed in edgy
[11:47] <raphink> ok
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you getting a new version of kde-systemsettings in anytime soon?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> darn, the call to dinner.  better not make the parents more angry today than they already are
[11:51] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/45130
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45130 in kde-systemsettings "[Esc]  "kills" the modules" [Medium,Fix committed]
[11:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, Sime's done a bunch of changes that I need to look at when I get a second
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, cool.  i wont commit this patch then.
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you could just put it in without checking the changes or something :P
[11:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we should poke Sime to get it in "upstream"
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that too.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> but not while watching tv.
[12:03] <viviersf> Riddell, do you know konqueror has no location bar anymore ?
[12:04] <omeow> Are you sure you didn't accidently switched it off?
[12:04] <omeow> I have one.
[12:06] <Riddell> viviersf: using 3.5.4?
[12:06] <viviersf> dapper Riddell
[12:06] <viviersf> since an update 2 days ago
[12:06] <viviersf> it all went weird
[12:07] <Riddell> viviersf: and you're not using 3.5.4?
[12:07] <viviersf> erm hold
[12:07] <viviersf> lemme see
[12:07] <viviersf> 3.5.2
[12:07] <Riddell> do you have kubuntu-default-settings installed?
[12:08] <viviersf> lol no
[12:08] <viviersf> i have impi-default-settings
[12:08] <viviersf> but
[12:09] <viviersf> its like
[12:09] <viviersf> what would that have to do with the menus and location bar going nuts
[12:10] <Riddell> well kubuntu-default-settings has the konqueror layout in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror
[12:10] <Riddell> and /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc which is a modified /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc
[12:10] <Riddell> but I've no idea what could have changed for you to suddenly mess it up
[12:11] <viviersf> lol
[12:11] <viviersf> the other pc has kubuntu-default-settings installed
[12:11] <viviersf> and its konqueror is like that also
[12:11] <viviersf> the menus at top also moved
[12:11] <viviersf> :/
[12:12] <viviersf> ah hold on
[12:12] <viviersf> i have an idea
[12:15] <viviersf> bleh
[12:15] <viviersf> i dunno
[12:17] <Riddell> is anything else in impi-default-settings taking effect?
[12:18] <viviersf> no
[12:18] <viviersf> all is fine
[12:18] <viviersf> just konqueror
[12:18] <viviersf> it worked on friday
[12:18] <viviersf> and monday i updated it
[12:18] <viviersf> and it happed
[12:18] <viviersf> *happened
[12:20] <Riddell> any idea what was in the update?
[12:21] <viviersf> im gonna look hold on
[12:21] <Riddell> could also try  rm ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/ ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc -r
[12:23] <viviersf> that doesnt work
[12:25] <viviersf> well nothing that should affect konqueror changed the weekend
[12:26] <imbrandon> hrm that is strange
[12:27] <imbrandon> i just booted my dapper
[12:27] <imbrandon> still with 352 on it
[12:27] <imbrandon> and noting weird
[12:27] <imbrandon> nothing*
[12:27] <imbrandon> given it is ppc, but it should be the same
[12:27] <imbrandon> its a normal kubuntu install with no kubuntu.org packages
[12:28] <viviersf> is it updated ?
[12:28] <imbrandon> yup upto the minute
[12:28] <imbrandon> just made sure
[12:28] <viviersf> :/
[12:28] <viviersf> im gonna check the kubuntu meta package
[12:29] <viviersf> maby something i removed caused this
[12:29] <imbrandon> whats impi-d-s ?
[12:31] <viviersf> its kubuntu-desktop-settings
[12:31] <viviersf> with modified images
[12:31] <viviersf> etc
[12:32] <viviersf> nothing major
[12:33] <imbrandon> hum i'm out of ideas then ;(
[12:33] <viviersf> yawell
[12:33] <viviersf> :(
[12:33] <viviersf> konqueror is usable
[12:33] <viviersf> just not very nice
[12:35] <Riddell> only KDE related change in the updates is kdenetwork
[12:37] <Hobbsee> does someone want to send me some warmth?
[12:37] <Riddell> it's all cold here now too
[12:37] <Riddell> you've already missed the Scottish summer
[12:38] <viviersf> lol
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:38] <imbrandon> heh its ummm 29 here atm
[12:38] <imbrandon> dead of winter
[12:38] <imbrandon> heh
[12:39] <imbrandon> lol
[12:39] <viviersf> why ?
[12:39] <viviersf> cos you wanna stay at home ?
[12:39] <imbrandon> becouse i live there silly ;)
[12:39] <viviersf> lazy american :P
[12:39] <viviersf> *runs*
[12:39] <imbrandon> i havent been to any yet and that would be the easiest to get to ;)
[12:39] <imbrandon> heh
[12:40] <viviersf> it must just be here in south africa man
[12:40] <imbrandon> heh
[12:40] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: OP ABUSE!
[12:40] <Hobbsee> :D
[12:40] <imbrandon> shush ;)
[12:40] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:41] <imbrandon> anyhow /me gets back to ummm well not back to anything, workin on something , was watchin dr who
[12:41] <imbrandon> told off for doing what ?
[12:41] <viviersf> look here @ Riddell :
[12:41] <viviersf> kaffeine/fileopen.svg:   sodipodi:docbase="/home/jr/kubuntu"
[12:42] <viviersf> .... lol
[12:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: random removing.  some goose thinks it's a kick, and therefore gets offended about it.
[12:42] <imbrandon> ahh i wasent gonna remove anyone, i was just teasin a bit ;)
[12:42] <Riddell> viviersf: inkscape is spying on me
[12:42] <viviersf> lol
[12:42] <imbrandon> LOL @ Riddell
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:42] <viviersf> just now its gonna send us your passwords
[12:43] <viviersf> :P
[12:43] <imbrandon> rootkit
[12:43] <imbrandon> in an svg lol
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ah yep, this one...
[12:43] <imbrandon> i bet its rj
[12:43] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:43] <imbrandon> haha
[12:44] <imbrandon> i did a long time ago in IRC ( few months ) had to change it very quickly, good thing i only use that passs for irc ;)
[12:45] <imbrandon> it was in #gentoo or #suse , dont rember wich one but it was a busy chan i i typed quote nickserv <pass> without a slash
[12:45] <imbrandon> heh
[12:45] <Hobbsee> i've pastebinned my IRC password before by accident
[12:45] <imbrandon> hahha
[12:46] <Hobbsee> passphrase is rather more important
[12:46] <viviersf> lol !
[12:46] <imbrandon> classic
[12:46] <viviersf> thats funny
[12:46] <Hobbsee> i'd pasted a log - and had gotten booted, so had to ghost my client in the middle
[12:46] <Hobbsee> had to change a whole lot of passwords very quickly :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> *:(
[12:46] <imbrandon> heh
[12:46] <ajmitch> chmj!
[12:46] <chmj> hey andrew
[12:47] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[12:47] <chmj> so so ..
[12:47] <chmj> your side ?
[12:47] <ajmitch> alright
[12:47] <ajmitch> what's new?
[12:48] <chmj> nothing much
[12:48] <chmj> same old hacking
[12:48] <ajmitch> fun
[12:48] <chmj> yup!
[12:49] <chmj> sweet
[12:53] <cain__> bleh
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:55] <Hobbsee> all right there, viviersf?
[12:55] <viviersf> yeh
[12:55] <viviersf> cheap network cards just irritate me
[12:56] <viviersf> cos they make my pc freeze
[12:59] <viviersf> k
[12:59] <viviersf> i fixed the location bar thing
[12:59] <viviersf> im an idiot
[12:59] <viviersf> :/
[01:00] <imbrandon> ?
[01:00] <imbrandon> what was it ?
[01:04] <Tm_T> hmmh
[01:04] <viviersf> erm
[01:04] <Tm_T> I don't seem to find any Kubuntu guide related to printers
[01:04] <viviersf> i renamed a file
[01:04] <viviersf> and didnt change it to the new name in the one config :/
[01:09] <mhb> good afternoon
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hi mhb
[01:10] <mhb> I've seen the "MP3 support not installed" feature in Edgy for the first time ... a great thing indeed!
[01:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: yeah, it is nice :)  i even fixed it so it was actually usable :)
[01:11] <imbrandon> thank Riddell for that one ;) ( and a few bug fixes from Hobbsee to make it work hehe )
[01:11] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:12] <mhb> Hobbsee: (well, it didn't work here, probably because I pressed it too many times)
[01:12] <mhb> Hobbsee: (somehow one apt-get instance got stuck and I had to kill it)
[01:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: that could have been adept silently dieing ?
[01:13] <mhb> I think it calls apt-get directly ... at least kdesu says that
[01:13] <Hobbsee> mhb: err....
[01:14] <imbrandon> kdesu calling apt-get ? why not sudo ? heh
[01:14] <Riddell> it calls adept-batch if it's there, else synaptic, else apt-get
[01:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's ment to be GUI
[01:14] <imbrandon> ahh right
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: technically, it still is.  you never see a konsole window :P
[01:16] <imbrandon> eek umm Riddell did you say the kderc thing was supose to be fixed for dapper ?
[01:17] <imbrandon> i just dist upgraded and got a normal kde desktop not a kubuntu one ( dapper clean install to kde 354 )
[01:17] <imbrandon> heh goog thing there is no kde bug 354 becosue ubugu just went nuts
[01:17] <imbrandon> heh
[01:19] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, I said it's broken and I have no idea why
[01:19] <Riddell> but maybe you misheard me :)
[01:19] <imbrandon> ahh yea probbly hear / read wrong , okies
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe.  but cant you fix anything?
[01:29] <Riddell> 5555sdd
[01:30] <Riddell> tsk
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: try using your fingers on the keyboard, not your toes.
[01:32] <abattoir> Riddell, imbrandon, Hobbsee: hi :)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir!
[01:32] <abattoir> Riddell: sorry, was asleep.... yesterday :P
[01:32] <Hobbsee> yay, one more merge done.
[01:33] <abattoir> Riddell: i'd stay i've almost caught up w/ Kamion(and he said he still had a couple of updates)...
[01:33] <abattoir> *I'd say
[01:33] <imbrandon> heya abattoir
[01:34] <abattoir> Riddell: i just have to figure something out... otherwise i think it is functional....
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would a package go into dapper-updates, if the only update was including the .po files?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> well, the patch for .pot files?
[01:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the package?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ksensors
[01:41] <Riddell> that's not in main so there's not much point
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right. there's a bug report for it.
[01:41] <Riddell> since rosetta doesn't do universe translations at the moment
[01:41] <Riddell> but yeah, do it in edgy
[01:42] <Tm_T> hmm, what is /usr/share/applnk/.hidden
[01:42] <Tm_T> I mean, many .desktop files of kcontrol package goes there
[01:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: holy sugar that mirror is fast!
[01:54] <jjesse> join #ubuntu-bugs
[01:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: lol yea thats what i was tellling you ;)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :)  and the machine isnt throwing gcc errors either.  i've been utilising it a lot tonight :)
[02:00] <imbrandon> me too
[02:00] <imbrandon> lol
[02:00] <jjesse> today is a hug day, help squash kubuntu bugs :)
[02:01] <imbrandon> jjesse: been working all night ( well some of it ) at it ;)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'm doing it.  and merging, which squashes bugs as well.  and creates more bugs.
[02:01] <jjesse> YAY!!!!
[02:01] <Hobbsee> and i dont have to upload imbrandon's stuff anymore.  yay!  :)
[02:01] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:01] <Hobbsee> jjesse: currently i'm fixing bug 54919
[02:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54919 in ksensors "ksensors has no template in Rosetta for Dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54919
[02:01] <imbrandon> yey i get to upload my own ;)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you know how to?
[02:01] <imbrandon> dput
[02:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> and it ftbfs.  great.
[02:02] <jjesse> Hobbsee: did you get main rights at the meeting yesterday?
[02:02] <imbrandon> lol
[02:02] <imbrandon> jjesse: not yet, but she will someday soon ;)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nope
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why am i getting this?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/G7RKyB43.html  I'm followign the packaging guide
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the admin directory is too old
[02:09] <Riddell> tell upstream to use a newer one
[02:09] <Riddell> and don't bother with .pot for the time being
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do i tell them that?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> "hi upstream, please use a newer admin/, as .pot files fail otherwise
[02:10] <Hobbsee> "
[02:10] <Riddell> yep
[02:11] <Riddell> and autoconf 1.6 will fail
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: last updated in 2004.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i patched that before
[02:11] <Hobbsee> as in, last upload i did of it
[02:11] <Riddell> mm, so probably not an active upstream then
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: although, technically, they're due for an update.  their last update before that was 2002.
[02:12] <Riddell> :)
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so what do i do?  ignore it?
[02:14] <Riddell> yep
[02:15] <Riddell> anything else it too much hassle
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  guess the bug reporter wont be too happy.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: Fetched 13.8MB in 1s (7421kB/s)  :P
[02:25] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:25] <imbrandon> dont ya love voyager ;)
[02:25] <Riddell> what's voyager?
[02:26] <imbrandon> my build computer
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: imbrandon's building machine, which he and i use.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seeing as i have slow ftp
[02:27] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:27] <imbrandon> my lappy is too slow to build on
[02:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: what for?
[02:27] <imbrandon> fixin ppc FTBS ( when i can )
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so he can build ppc stuff.
[02:27] <imbrandon> there seem to be alot
[02:28] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: duh lol
[02:28] <imbrandon> i always run accross stuff that wont install on my lappy that ftbs , but my lappy is too slow to build on
[02:28] <imbrandon> lappy == ppc
[02:29] <danimo> KDE 3.5.4 is offically out, yay! :)
[02:29] <Riddell> http://dot.kde.org/1154521282/ 3.5.4
[02:29] <danimo> really :)
[02:29] <Riddell> unfortunately the dapper packages are still broken
[02:30] <danimo> Riddell: let's say it's a draw :)
[02:30] <imbrandon> woot ok, did my first upload, now thats thats out of the way time for some more merges/transitions
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why do you want unbroken packages?
[02:30] <imbrandon> hehe nice
[02:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[02:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: blasphemy, blasphemy! :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you can do an apt-cache rdepends libgamin0 to see the list of packages to go, if you want.  however, there's a lot of gnome universe stuff that dholbach needs done, if you want to tackle it
[02:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: :P
[02:32] <imbrandon> ahh cool i tried apt-cache show * | grep libgamin0 but bash dident like that
[02:32] <imbrandon> lol
[02:32] <imbrandon> gnome libgamin0 ? or other ? lemme finish these few gamin ones i got started then i'll look at something else
[02:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i had it working that way too.   actually, i think i used apt-cache search * | grep libgamin0
[02:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: but rdepends is nicer :)
[02:34] <imbrandon> yea easier to read ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is gnome also removing gamin?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no idea
[02:35] <imbrandon> gnome packages are listed that way too
[02:35] <Riddell> wouldn't think so
[02:36] <imbrandon> i just use the wiki now and check it before i start if it needs it still and/or if its on the merges list
[02:36] <Hobbsee> sigh.  yay for crackful packages that ftbfs.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> http://rafb.net/paste/results/actqvt11.html
[02:37] <imbrandon> hehe Hobbsee yea , kvirc is messing with my brain atm , some cruft in rules i dont know exactly how to fix
[02:37] <Riddell> I guess it's missing linux/compiler.h
[02:37] <Hobbsee>  /usr/share/openh323/include/ixjlid.h:277:28: error: linux/compiler.h: No such file or directory
[02:37] <Hobbsee> which file is it whinging about not having?
[02:42] <imbrandon> heh dosent safari use KHTML too, its funny how apple released an update the same time kde 3.5.4 is announced
[02:43] <omeow> Can't open .odt from a samba share?
[02:43] <imbrandon> omeow: if its mounted with smbfs it shoudlent care
[02:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: Fetched 78.6MB in 8s (9350kB/s) <-- beat your 32mb ;)
[02:44] <omeow> The address is smb://
[02:44] <imbrandon> omeow: yea thats smbclient kio slave, not an smbfs mount
[02:44] <omeow> Hm ok.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah
[02:47] <imbrandon> hrm is there a reason this isnt working : mv $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/$(DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX)/share/kvirc/3.2/license/{COPYING,EULA}
[02:47] <imbrandon> thats the only thing thats not working and looks ok to me
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: a bashism
[02:47] <imbrandon> ( from debian/rules )  , kinda crakfull but thats upstream code
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: split that into two install bits.
[02:48] <imbrandon> ahh right , no bash
[02:48] <imbrandon> duh okie
[02:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i got that earlier - see what ogra said in -bugs
[02:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:48] <Riddell> it has an EULA?
[02:49] <imbrandon> upstrream said in the changelofg it was changing the location so lithian wouldent complain
[02:49] <imbrandon> so i guess so
[02:50] <imbrandon>         mv $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/$(DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX)/share/kvirc/3.2/license/COPYING \
[02:50] <imbrandon>            $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/$(DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX)/share/kvirc/3.2/license/EULA
[02:50] <imbrandon> gah
[02:50] <imbrandon> whoops
[02:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:55] <imbrandon> i swear kvirc takes longer to build than kde itself
[02:55] <imbrandon> lol
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: try building koffice one day to test :P
[02:59] <imbrandon> heh
[03:00] <imbrandon> nope *office* dont get built by me unless i have 1) a good reason 2) distcc working with pbuilder ;)
[03:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:00] <mornfall> i even had ccache working with pbuilder... distcc is easier
[03:00] <imbrandon> i made that mistake to emerge openoffice.org on gentoo long ago, instead of using a grp package
[03:01] <mornfall> (but ccache is quite useful with that, considering you often need to rebuild just changing something in debian/)
[03:01] <imbrandon> mornfall: yea i have ccache working with it, distcc is havent managed to setup yet
[03:02] <imbrandon> btw gmoring mornfall ;)
[03:02] <mornfall> gafternoon ;p
[03:02] <imbrandon> err yea afternoon for you ;)
[03:10] <rouzic> Riddell: Hi, already this solved the bug of kubuntu-default-settings?
[03:11] <imbrandon> rouzic: for kde 3.5.4 in dapper ?
[03:11] <imbrandon> if yes, the anwser is not yet ...
[03:14] <rouzic> yes, kde 3.5.4 in dapper :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> rouzic: i havent heard him yelling in delight saying that he'd fixed it
[03:16] <rouzic> Good :D
[03:18] <rouzic> This way that I can update without any problem?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> rouzic: i said i hadnt heard him say he'd fixed it, not the other way around :P
[03:21] <rouzic> ahms
[03:21] <rouzic> oks
[03:37] <imbrandon> omg finaly done and no FTBS this time , yay \0/
[03:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: that's the nice thing about community work, you can't help it
[03:38] <danimo> :)
[03:38] <imbrandon> that knocks 2 birds off, a merge and a libgamin0
[03:39] <Hobbsee> danimo: do an apt-cache show yada, and you'll see why i'm just slightly annoyed.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> danimo: that build helper goes against every other builder ever made!
[03:40] <danimo> Hobbsee :)
[03:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: everyone loves yada!
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why oh why isnt it documented somewhere?
[03:42] <ajmitch> loves it to little bits
[03:42] <ajmitch> & then takes it out the back & burns the corpse
[03:42] <ajmitch> *that* is how much I love yada
[03:42] <imbrandon> lol
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: haha
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: might be useful to get it put in the packaging guide, too.
[03:44] <ajmitch> we don't want to encourage people
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: or just remove it from the archives, and tell the upstreams that use it to use a decent build system.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:45] <ajmitch> why are you so happy?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it builds.
[03:45] <ajmitch> that is expected, no?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and installs the way i want it to
[03:46] <ajmitch> always a bonus
[03:47] <imbrandon> now if it works as expected too , you got a nice trifecta ;)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dunno.  didnt try that
[04:07] <bddebian> Morning
[04:08] <imbrandon> moin bddebian
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Morning
[04:08] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon, DaSkreech
[04:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: BOO!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech.  you bugfixing?
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Sort of but not Kubuntu right now Some stuff at work
[04:09] <imbrandon> whoa fink and fedora are on LP now /me makes a note to file some fink bugs
[04:09] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: bah.  work.  evil thing
[04:10] <DaSkreech> I like it :)
[04:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I hope you will update kopete packages soon ;)
[04:10] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to get on the lappy a while then to bed, see yall
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: from what to what?
[04:10] <imbrandon> Tm_T: they are
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: wasnt aware that there were more.
[04:11] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: well, there was just a commit that will help a lot with icq client version problems if it works as promised
[04:11] <Tm_T> 17:09 < CIA-11> rjarosz * r568881 /branches/kopete/0.12/kopete/protocols/oscar/ (14 files in 4 dirs):
[04:11] <Tm_T> 17:09 < CIA-11> add version info updater
[04:11] <Tm_T> 17:09 < CIA-11> - version info for icq/aim is stored in kopeterc config
[04:11] <Tm_T> 17:09 < CIA-11> - kopete automatically downloads new version from kopete.kde.org if login fails with "client too old" :)
[04:11] <Tm_T> 17:09 < CIA-11> CCBUG: 130630
[04:11] <Tm_T> 17:09 < CIA-11> CCBUG: 131598
[04:11] <Tm_T> I presume that will be backported toKDE 3.5 branch aswell
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: nice!
[04:12] <Tm_T> indeed
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: we're taking from the kopete 0.12 branch
[04:12] <Tm_T> ah, good ;)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: and the kopete source is now split from kde packages, in kubuntu
[04:12] <Tm_T> so am I, with trunk ofcourse ;)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yeah, of course.  were they planning to fully release that?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: or just leave it in svn for a while?
[04:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no idea, have to ask around
[04:13] <Tm_T> just noticed that and thought you like to know
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: indeed, thankyou :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i refuse to touch anything in main today :)
[04:14] <Tm_T> hehe, that's not todays issue imo anyway
[04:14] <Tm_T> 17:14 < kedge> Tm_T: there will be 0.12.2
[04:14] <Tm_T> 17:14 < Tm_T> how soon?
[04:14] <Tm_T> 17:14 < kedge> soon
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hehe, nice.
[04:14] <Tm_T> weird, usually I am the one who knows those
[04:15] <Hobbsee> so another UVF exception request.
[04:15] <Tm_T> :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey cool!  my karma went up again!
[04:15] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Do you have some insane number too?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> bddebian: only 13000
[04:16] <bddebian> Oh, mine is freakin' ~425,000
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: but you are a deity, what do you expect?
[04:16] <Tm_T> hmm, I have something, dunno, don't care :p
[04:16] <bddebian> pfft, I'm just a scrub
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hmmm?
[04:17] <Tm_T> karma I mean
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Strange thing is upgraded to 0.12 then downgraded to 0.11 and it fixed both the 0.12 ICQ login problems and the 0.11 crash problems
[04:17] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: =)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> what did i do tuesday
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ?
[04:18] <Tm_T> when was tuesday?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: my tuesday.  close enough to your tuesday.
[04:20] <DaSkreech> My Tuesday was a Holiday :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> wow.  walls and doors really make a difference for wifi.
[04:26] <DaSkreech> But...
[04:27] <DaSkreech> in a world without walls and fences why do we need Windows or gates?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> nixternal_:  Hi
[04:27] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: to keep the parents interrupting me every 10 seconds :P
[04:28] <Hobbsee> pity i cant move the router.
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Do what My brother did
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Give them the Wifi wholesale and then wire his room so they only bother you when they can't get the net
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you fixed the sound
[04:30] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i've got wired here, that's hwat i've been using for the past few weeks
[04:31] <Hobbsee> gah.
[04:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: huh?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: the kmenus dont update anymore.  you can add and remove stuff, hit save, and it does nothing.
[04:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: you mean along with the system settings?
[04:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: eek
[04:32] <Hobbsee> very eek
[04:33] <Hobbsee> anyway, night all
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Guess we really should have a canon help page
[05:12] <Tm_T> whoo, something new
[05:12] <Tm_T> Reading package status... Done
[05:12] <Tm_T> version a has bad syntax: version string has embedded spaces
[05:12] <Tm_T> Retrieving bug reports... Done
[05:14] <Lure> Riddell: I have followed 3.5.4 announcement on KDE Dot News, but upgrade on Dapper (from 3.5.3) did not get through smoothly
[05:14] <Riddell> Lure: I know
[05:14] <Riddell> default settings presumably?
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: maybe you should fix the announcement page and put a BOLD statement on top that it is not worth to upgrade yet...
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: I did not restart KDE yet, just strange messages and fixes with apt-get install -f required...
[05:16] <Riddell> what messages?  what fixes needed?
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: trying to put it on pastbin...
[05:17] <Lure> pastebin is just hanging... I will send you in e-mail...
[05:22] <rouzic> Will not it be possible update KDE 3.5.4 in Dapper?
[05:23] <Riddell> rouzic: it's possible, it'll just break
[05:26] <rouzic> Riddell: But cannot failure be solved?
[05:26] <Lure> Riddell: sent over e-mail (with some annotations)
[05:27] <Riddell> rouzic: I have no ideas and no time for it
[05:27] <Lure> Riddell: will reboot and report results from home (30 minutes or so)
[05:30] <Tm_T> hmm, interesting problems while upgrading to edgy
[05:40] <rouzic> Is it normal that on having updated from Dapper to Edgy there are problems with the packages?
[05:41] <Tm_T> I think yes at this point
[05:43] <Tm_T> I really need to find a way to skip bug and changelog things with dist-upgrade
[05:43] <Tm_T> it takes too much time
[05:44] <Tm_T> already spent almost 30 minutes just watching those again and again
[05:45] <hunger> Riddell: THANKS! artsd works again.
[05:46] <Tm_T> :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> arts is evil ;)
[05:47] <rouzic> xD
[05:55] <Riddell> Lure: kdelibs-bin is not ment to be there, merged into kdelibs4c2a
[05:55] <Lure> Riddell: ok, but why wlassistant needs it?
[05:56] <Riddell> kdebase-bin overwriting kcontrol, sigh, spose I could fix it
[05:56] <Lure> (I understand that rsibreak needs to be rebuild)
[05:56] <Riddell> wlassistant needs it only because it had an unnecessary Depends: on it
[05:57] <Riddell> however the Provides: from kdelibs4c2a /should/ mean it's not a problem
[05:58] <Lure> Riddell: true, so this is just warning and not error then, right?
[06:00] <Riddell> Lure: if it's just a warning that's cool :)
[06:04] <omeow> pixel needs more coverage.
[06:06] <omeow> http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 I think it's definitely a tool people would like to use as a photoshop replacement.
[06:07] <Riddell> "Pixel is not free software"
[06:11] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:23] <Tm_T> what's Pixel?
[06:23] <Tm_T> anyway, gimp <3
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Krita?
[06:28] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: well, it doesn't have functionality I require yet
[06:28] <Tm_T> but it will, I hope
[06:29] <cmvo> b
[06:55] <Lure> Riddell: my desktop does not look nice after reboot...
[06:56] <Riddell> I guess that's the broken bit
[06:56] <Lure> Riddell: it has standard kde style, kgpg & amarok asked me for first-start settings and my kicker is empty (not even K-menu)
[06:56] <Riddell> yep, sounds like what I'm seeing too
[06:56] <Lure> luckly, katapult is started...
[06:56] <Riddell> Lure: this is the exact same package as in edgy, there's no reason why it should ignore kubuntu-default-settings but it does
[06:56] <sebas> Riddell: In 3.5.4 konqueror, middle click doesn't open tabs anymore, is that a known problem?
[06:56] <sebas> It's pretty annoying though.
[06:57] <Tm_T> sebas: Lure: dapper?
[06:57] <sebas> Dapper, yes.
[06:57] <Lure> Tm_T: dapper
[06:57] <Tm_T> yeah, its broken
[06:58] <Riddell> sebas: same problem everyone else has :(
[06:58] <Tm_T> I've been upgrading to edgy now 8 hours because of that
[06:58] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, good.
[06:58] <sebas> I was afraid it's a local problem.
[06:58] <Riddell> for some definition of good
[06:58] <sebas> Yeah, clear problems are better than unclear random-like ones.
[06:58] <sebas> brb.
[07:01] <Riddell> alas, this problem is very much unclear and random
[07:23] <jjesse_> Riddell: i had Colin Watson look at my releasenotes (as he was the orignial requestor), made the changes and have sent a patch to the doc list to get them uploaded
[07:23] <jjesse_> Riddell: so we can have a new kubuntu-docs package and close out that bug
[07:25] <Riddell> jjesse_: what does that leave me to do?
[07:32] <jjesse_> umm later today create a new kubuntu docs package and upload it to dapper updates?
[07:32] <jjesse_> Riddell: probablly actually tomorrow
[07:33] <Riddell> jjesse_: why tomorrow?
[07:34] <jjesse_> has to be committed in svn, i don't have my password here at work for svn and i just sent a diff to the mailing list that i haven't seen applied
[07:34] <Riddell> bah.  svn.
[07:34] <jjesse_> :)
[07:34] <Riddell> it really is time the docs team used bzr
[07:34] <jjesse_> we keep on discussing it and choosing not to
[07:34] <jjesse_> i don't remember why
[07:56] <Riddell> jjesse_: that patch fails to apply for some reason, could you just send me the new releasenotes.xml?
[08:00] <Tm_T> jeesp
[08:18] <Tm_T> this is slowly becoming pretty absurd, 9 hours already gone while upgrading to edgy
[08:19] <Tm_T> or maybe I just do something wrong :p
[08:50] <jjesse_> Riddell: the patch has been committed, please create a new kubuntu docs package and flag it for dapper uploads
[08:52] <Riddell> jjesse_: could you just send me the new releasenotes.xml
[08:59] <jjesse_> Riddell: sure can :)
[08:59] <jjesse_> on its way
[09:03] <Tm_T>  ok, now my whole KDE is messed up, including missing strings
[09:04] <Tm_T> err, I mean missing texts
[09:04] <Tm_T> looks like somethings broken related to fonts
[09:31] <Riddell> jjesse_: uploaded
[09:54] <jjesse_> Riddell: thanks
[09:54] <Riddell> thank you
[09:54] <jjesse_> now back to edgy release notes
[10:16] <toma> Riddell: whatsup with kde?
[10:17] <Riddell> toma: in which respect?
[10:17] <toma> Riddell: subject tells me it is broken
[10:18] <Riddell> and so it is
[10:18] <junx> experience tells me it's broken to
[10:18] <Riddell> in dapper anyway
[10:18] <Riddell> no idea why
[10:18] <Riddell> it's very sucky
[10:18] <sebas> Hm, windows aren't opened on the right screen anymore, previous KDE would open a window on the screen the mouse is on, 3.5.4 does not.
[10:18] <Riddell> toma: for unknown reasons kde 3.5.4 on dapper doesn't follow kubuntu-default-settings
[10:19] <Riddell> sebas: that's a result of the k-d-s problem
[10:19] <junx> roll back to 3.5.2 and upgrade to 3.5.3, that's what I'm doing
[10:19] <raphink> Hi Riddell: do you know of a problem with the kubuntu-default-settings patch in kde 3.5.4 with dapper?
[10:19] <Riddell> it's kdelibs at fault not k-d-s
[10:19] <toma> Riddell: hmm..
[10:19] <junx> oh, does anyone know why the appearance section in system settings crashes in 3.5.4?
[10:19] <Riddell> if someone wants to compile the edgy kdelibs on dapper and see if it's still broken of it I'm just going mad
[10:19] <Riddell> that would be nice
[10:19] <sebas> Riddell: Hm, any bad-ass hack?
[10:19] <fritsch> Riddell: not working
[10:20] <sebas> Or can I just revert to the old k-d-s?
[10:20] <fritsch> Riddell: tried yesterday, cdbs and debhelper not current enough
[10:20] <fritsch> Riddell: dpkg-buildpackage -d just stops somewhere
[10:20] <Riddell> sebas: cp /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/share/config/* /etc/kde3  probably fixes it
[10:20] <uniq> Riddell: did you try to set KDEDIRS to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile ?
[10:20] <Riddell> fritsch: just edit debian/control to bring those down, won't harm anything
[10:20] <sebas> Riddell: Trying, thx.
[10:20] <junx> Riddell: I thought you could just copy it to /usr/share since that's where all the stuff is
[10:21] <raphink> fritsch: do you have a trace ?
[10:21] <fritsch> raphink: look in the pastebin
[10:21] <Riddell> uniq: it's set in /etc/kderc same as it always has been
[10:21] <fritsch> raphink: just search for 354
[10:21] <raphink> fritsch: which pastebin do you use?
[10:21] <fritsch> raphink: ubuntu nl
[10:21] <fritsch> raphink: sorry, i help searching
[10:22] <fritsch> Riddell: did so, it won`t compile, says something about imake failed
[10:22] <Riddell> fritsch: kdelibs?
[10:23] <fritsch> Riddell: yes
[10:23] <raphink> can't find your pastebin fritsch
[10:23] <fritsch> Riddell: sorry, ksmserver - kdebase-data
[10:23] <raphink> kcmserver I guess
[10:23] <Riddell> it's kdelibs that needs checking
[10:23] <fritsch> Riddell: okay
[10:23] <raphink> I'll rebuild kdelibs on dapper
[10:24] <fritsch> raphink: ty
[10:24] <uniq> Riddell: is prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ the same as $KDEDIRS  ?
[10:24] <toma> Riddell: i'll check the svn log of kdelibs
[10:24] <raphink> that'll take some time though :s
[10:24] <Riddell> uniq: yes
[10:24] <toma> Riddell: any particular area?
[10:24] <Riddell> toma: it works fine in edgy
[10:24] <toma> o ok
[10:25] <raphink> I need to update my pbuilder sources thouugh
[10:25] <Riddell> toma: this is why I'm just giving up and curling into a ball in the corner, there's no reason for it not to work in dapper and yet it's randomly broken
[10:25] <junx> has the locale problem in edgy been fixed?
[10:25] <toma> Riddell: should i do a rebuild?
[10:25] <toma> does that help?
[10:25] <Riddell> toma: worth a shot
[10:26] <Riddell> toma: it'll let me know if I'm going mad or not
[10:26] <crimsun> junx: which specifically?
[10:26] <junx> a while back, all packages were spouting out locale errors during an upgrade
[10:27] <crimsun> not fixed afaik
[10:27] <junx> hmm
[10:27] <crimsun> locales aren't carried over on dist-upgrade in my experience three weeks ago and last night
[10:28] <Riddell> that's pretty hard to fix
[10:29] <fritsch> Riddell: is the kopete fix from yesterday edgy already in 3.5.4? or do i have to recompile this too, for a working icq?
[10:29] <Riddell> fritsch: it should be in, would be good to have confirmation of that working
[10:30] <fritsch> Riddel, okay, i do a dis-upgrade and uninstall my kopete version before
[10:31] <raphink> rebuilding kdelibs
[10:32] <toma> Riddell: cdbs version is not met for the build-dep
[10:32] <raphink> sure toma
[10:32] <toma> is there a newer version somewhere?
[10:32] <Riddell> toma: edit debian/control to lower it
[10:32] <raphink> you need to lower it
[10:32] <raphink> and debhelper, too
[10:32] <Riddell> toma: you don't need a newer version
[10:32] <toma> k
[10:32] <Riddell> same for debhelper and qt
[10:33] <raphink> hmm and qt
[10:33] <raphink> yes
[10:33] <fritsch> raphink: kdebase-bin says bei installation: try to overwrite /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
[10:33] <Riddell> fritsch: also known
[10:33] <fritsch> raphink: i look, if it has really overwritten
[10:35] <fritsch> Riddell: despite of the "don`t use kubuntu-settings" by default
[10:35] <fritsch> Riddell: you can preview the crystal style, but on apply it is not used
[10:35] <omeow> Any known problems in Edgy? I'm a bit reluctant to upgrade after the last time... things seem to work quite decently now.
[10:35] <fritsch> Riddell: same problem?
[10:38] <fritsch> raphink: dou you recompile kdelibs-data or kdelibs4c2a? whats the difference?
[10:38] <raphink> I recompile kdelibs for now
[10:38] <fritsch> raphink: which one? dont get it?
[10:38] <raphink> there's only one source package
[10:38] <raphink> that produces several binaries
[10:38] <raphink> so I rebuild the whole source package
[10:38] <fritsch> apt-get source kdelibs-data or apt-get source kdelibs4c2a?
[10:39] <raphink> it's the same
[10:39] <raphink> it will only download kdelibs
[10:39] <raphink> sources
[10:39] <fritsch> raphink: okay got it know and saw, thx
[10:39] <raphink> since these two binaries come from the same source
[10:40] <fritsch> raphink: okay, just rebuilding, too
[10:40] <raphink> ok
[10:40] <raphink> I think I'll be faster
[10:40] <raphink> hopefully since I've put a nice --20 on my pbuilder :)
[10:40] <fritsch> raphink: sure, whole cluster of uni-karlsruhe here
[10:41] <raphink> hmm ah ok
[10:41] <raphink> well not sure then ;)
[10:41] <fritsch> raphink: just kidding, only building a poor laptop
[10:41] <raphink> hehe
[10:41] <fritsch> raphink: :-)
[10:41] <raphink> haha
[10:41] <raphink> you are in the uni of karlsruhe?
[10:41] <fritsch> raphink: yes, i am studieng here
[10:41] <raphink> great :)
[10:42] <fritsch> raphink: mmh, don`t know
[10:42] <fritsch> raphink: could be easier
[10:42] <raphink> well for open-source :)
[10:42] <raphink> haha
[10:42] <raphink> what do you study there?
[10:42] <raphink> computer sciences I guess ;)
[10:42] <fritsch> raphink: informatic diplome
[10:42] <fritsch> raphink: yes
[10:43] <raphink> ok
[10:43] <fritsch> i saw while compiling: kde-config.cpp.in seems to ignorethe rootpath
[10:43] <raphink> 99.5 28.3   0:46.52 cc1plus
[10:43] <raphink> hehe
[10:43] <raphink> I love that :)
[10:44] <fritsch> raphink: distcc?
[10:44] <raphink> %cpu
[10:44] <raphink> in top :)
[10:44] <raphink> just put all the ressources of my server on building this package ;)
[10:44] <fritsch> raphink: how long does it need, you think?
[10:45] <raphink> between 45 minutes and an hour I think
[10:45] <raphink> maybe a bit less
[10:45] <raphink> no less than 30 minutes though
[10:45] <raphink> iirc
[10:45] <fritsch> raphink: how long does a Pentium M 1,4 need?
[10:45] <raphink> kdelibs is a big package
[10:45] <fritsch> raphink: till tomorrow morning
[10:46] <raphink> well the times I'm telling you is for an athlon XP 2400+
[10:46] <raphink> which is what I have
[10:46] <raphink> 2GHz
[10:46] <fritsch> raphink: then i am faster than you
[10:46] <raphink> maybe :)
[10:46] <fritsch> raphink: i tried compile kopete on my 2400+ and on my 1,4 gz pnetium M, the pentium was a lot faster
[10:46] <raphink> really?
[10:46] <raphink> that's interesting
[10:46] <fritsch> raphink: yes, even the XP has more memory
[10:47] <fritsch> raphink: we `ll see - remember you started 5 minutes before me
[10:47] <raphink> haha yes
[10:47] <raphink> are you building from a pbuilder?
[10:47] <fritsch> raphink: yes 3dmark for studys
[10:47] <fritsch> raphink: no, never used this, just do a dpkg-buildpackage
[10:48] <raphink> ah then I'm taking longer
[10:48] <raphink> to install the dependencies and so on ;)
[10:48] <fritsch> raphink: what does pbuilder do?
[10:48] <raphink> pbuilder is a minimal chrooted environment
[10:48] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[10:48] <raphink> it allows to build the package in a clean minimal system
[10:48] <raphink> pbuilder takes the dsc as argument
[10:49] <raphink> it extracts a minimal chroot, copies the sources into it
[10:49] <raphink> builds
[10:49] <raphink> and then copies the result package(s) into a result/ directory
[10:49] <fritsch> raphink: ah, i understand
[10:49] <raphink> so also you don't have to install the build-depends on your system
[10:49] <fritsch> raphink: it s for "really working" packages with no other dependencies than really installed with?
[10:50] <raphink> yes exactly
[10:50] <raphink> if a package builds in a pbuilder, you can be sure it builds anywhere
[10:50] <fritsch> raphink: cool, so even if am 10 times faster, the community has to wait for your packages
[10:50] <raphink> (well theorically that is, of course)
[10:50] <raphink> hehe indeed
[10:50] <raphink> unless you set a pbuilder
[10:50] <raphink> and actually
[10:50] <raphink> if the build doesn't fail
[10:50] <raphink> I'll have to build again
[10:50] <raphink> because I modified debian/ but forgot to change the version of the package to ~dapper2
[10:51] <raphink> but it's ok if it works I'll build it again while I'm sleeping and it'll be ready tomorrow morning
[10:52] <fritsch> raphink: perhaps the other ones, which want to overwrite sth. have to be fixed, too?
[10:52] <raphink> sure you're welcome to fix everything you can fix fritsch
[10:52] <raphink> fritsch: do you know about REVU?
[10:52] <fritsch> raphink: no, sorry
[10:53] <raphink> look there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:53] <raphink> :)
[10:53] <raphink> this is what we use to sponsor uploads
[10:53] <raphink> if you have patches you want to provide
[10:53] <raphink> you can upload the packages here and tell us, so we'll look at the packages
[10:53] <toma> my build would be faster if it used icecream
[10:54] <raphink> especially as it's so hot
[10:54] <fritsch> raphink: hot, mmmh i have to close the window, it `s getting cold
[10:54] <raphink> cold?
[10:54] <raphink> lucky you
[10:54] <fritsch> yes, windy
[10:54] <raphink> it's never cold here
[10:54] <fritsch> raphink: where is "here"?
[10:55] <raphink> Cannes, French Riviera
[10:55] <fritsch> raphink: I was there once
[10:55] <raphink> nice :)
[10:55] <fritsch> raphink: next to it, there were many ships, from the france army
[10:55] <raphink> I was in Germany a week and a half ago  and it was very hot too I hav eto say
[10:55] <fritsch> raphink: Toulouse? or other side?
[10:56] <fritsch> raphink: yes, it changed
[10:56] <raphink> Toulouse is not the French Riviera
[10:56] <fritsch> raphink: rained the last 2 days some time
[10:56] <raphink> the Riviera goes from Toulon to Menton
[10:56] <fritsch> raphink: ah mixed up with toulon?
[10:56] <raphink> well depends how people define it
[10:56] <raphink> but Toulouse is very far from it
[10:56] <raphink> :)
[10:56] <fritsch> raphink: toulon are there ships?
[10:56] <raphink> and Nice is quite in the middle of it
[10:56] <fritsch> raphink: army ships?
[10:56] <raphink> yes the ships are in Toulon
[10:57] <fritsch> raphink: yes i think there i was
[10:57] <fritsch> raphink: made camping
[10:57] <raphink> not in Toulouse, which is not a port ;)
[10:57] <raphink> ok
[10:57] <fritsch> raphink: :-)
[10:57] <raphink> build build build build build
[10:58] <fritsch> a progress bar would be cool
[10:58] <raphink> mhm
[10:58] <fritsch> but not learning sth. in study
[10:58] <raphink> it's building kabc now
[10:58] <fritsch> here i kdeprint, i think
[11:00] <fritsch> kd > ka or?
[11:00] <fritsch> i ask my haskell
[11:01] <raphink> khtml now
[11:01] <fritsch> hehe, says true raphink: i think i am winning
[11:01] <fritsch> ah now, kabc coming now
[11:01] <raphink> maybe
[11:01] <raphink> haha
[11:01] <fritsch> ah, no i mean
[11:01] <raphink> :p
[11:01] <fritsch> raphink: next red traffic i get yo
[11:02] <raphink> did you set a nice on it ?
[11:02] <fritsch> no
[11:02] <raphink> you won't get me then
[11:02] <raphink> 99.4 26.9   0:23.33 cc1plus
[11:02] <raphink> :)
[11:02] <raphink> 99.7 29.4   0:39.33 cc1plus
[11:02] <raphink> woot
[11:02] <raphink> :)
[11:03] <fritsch> mmmh, yes
[11:03] <fritsch> -10?
[11:03] <raphink> -20
[11:03] <raphink> I'm a barbarian
[11:03] <fritsch> hehe
[11:03] <raphink> not afraid of crashing my server for the price of this package ;)
[11:03] <fritsch> raphink: hehe
[11:03] <raphink> 99.9 20.5   0:16.12 cc1plus
[11:03] <raphink> :)
[11:04] <fritsch> raphink: mmmh, my zalman CU7000 could afford this, too - i think
[11:04] <raphink> mhm
[11:04] <fritsch> raphink: have to ask at our stud servers, big Xeons working there
[11:04] <raphink> building interfaces now
[11:04] <raphink> fritsch: I have nice machines at work, too
[11:04] <fritsch> i am in khtml
[11:04] <fritsch> raphink: me, too - but they run M$
[11:04] <raphink> and \sh showed us a very nice opteron from his work two weeks ago, too :)
[11:04] <raphink> very impressive machines, 8TB HD
[11:04] <raphink> arghhhhhhhh
[11:05] <raphink> all the prod machines at my work run linux :)
[11:05] <fritsch> raphink: the run access server and such shit
[11:05] <raphink> even if some run RH
[11:05] <raphink> even RH 5.0 with kernel 2.0 for some of them
[11:05] <raphink> lol
[11:05] <fritsch> raphink: i have to look for the debian backuppc server and the firewall
[11:05] <raphink> mhm
[11:05] <raphink> building kate now
[11:05] <toma> if you two are building, why am i doing it?
[11:05] <fritsch> raphink: kjava applet viewer
[11:05] <raphink> toma: because it's fun
[11:06] <toma> ow, i forgot that yes
[11:06] <fritsch> toma: yes 5 years ago it was 3dmark 2001
[11:06] <fritsch> toma: now it is rebuilding of kdebase-data
[11:06] <fritsch> h kdelibs
[11:07] <raphink> yep
[11:07] <raphink> you might get me on these last parts
[11:08] <fritsch> raphink: already last parts?
[11:08] <fritsch> kdewidgets i see here
[11:08] <raphink> I mean it's executing lots of sh scripts now
[11:08] <raphink> so you might get me there
[11:08] <fritsch> raphink: yes here too
[11:09] <fritsch> raphink: here kate is coming
[11:09] <raphink> dh now
[11:09] <fritsch> raphink: ah you finished
[11:09] <raphink> yep
[11:09] <raphink> building the debs
[11:09] <raphink> hehe
[11:09] <fritsch> *fritsch is coaching his notebook*
[11:09] <fritsch> shouting like a football fan
[11:10] <raphink> dpkg-deb: building package `kdelibs4c2a' in `../kdelibs4c2a_3.5.4-0ubuntu2_i386.deb'.
[11:10] <fritsch> done, here is done
[11:10] <raphink> dpkg-deb: building package `kdelibs-dbg' in `../kdelibs-dbg_3.5.4-0ubuntu2_i386.deb'.
[11:10] <fritsch> debin/rules/binary
[11:10] <raphink> done?
[11:10] <raphink> are you kidding?
[11:10] <fritsch> no, still shing a lot
[11:10] <fritsch> building packages
[11:10] <raphink> ah
[11:10] <raphink> pfiew
[11:10] <raphink>     -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/build//23103 and its subdirectories
[11:11] <raphink> hehe
[11:11] <raphink> done building :)
[11:11] <raphink> now anyone wants the packages for test?
[11:11] <fritsch> install them yourself for testing?
[11:11] <raphink> so I know if I can rebuild them with the right version number this time
[11:11] <fritsch> or, are you on edgy?
[11:11] <raphink> fritsch: my server runs edgy
[11:11] <raphink> and my laptop is a ppc
[11:11] <raphink> ;)
[11:11] <fritsch> raphink: okay, i install "my" version :-) and have a look
[11:11] <raphink> ok
[11:11] <fritsch> raphink: cool, i love the old G4s
[11:12] <fritsch> raphink: my girlfriend got a intel macbook
[11:12] <raphink> then you shouldn't have asked me to build :p
[11:12] <raphink> fritsch: i've got a powerbook G4
[11:12] <raphink> heater that is
[11:12] <raphink> it gets very very hot
[11:12] <fritsch> raphink: okay, where can i get your package?
[11:12] <raphink> hmm wait
[11:12] <fritsch> raphink: first i try mine ;-) just for fun
[11:13] <raphink> http://raphink.net/ubuntu/
[11:13] <raphink> fritsch: there
[11:13] <fritsch> thx, just a minute
[11:13] <fritsch> waiting for my poor pentium m
[11:13] <fritsch> would no be very kind to interrupt him now
[11:13] <raphink> sure
[11:14] <pygi> raphink, may I grab you for a sec?
[11:14] <raphink> you may
[11:14] <raphink> although I'd like to find some time to pack before going to bed
[11:14] <pygi> raphink, oki, nevermind then :)
[11:14] <raphink> what's the problem?
[11:14] <raphink> I'm sorry I didn't have the time to look at that bug you told me about
[11:14] <fritsch> raphink: installing kdelibs-data and kdelibs4c2a from your rep?
[11:15] <pygi> raphink, no, it's not about the bug this time :)
[11:15] <raphink> sure fritsch
[11:15] <raphink> what is it about pygi?
[11:15] <pygi> I have some upstream build-system problem, and it seems to work in ubuntu/debian, so I wanted to check:)
[11:15] <pygi> libburn builds only static libs, but it should build shared ones...in debian/ubuntu seems we have shared libs...can you confirm?
[11:16] <pygi> and difference beetween upstream -- ubuntu?
[11:16] <raphink> not sure what exactly you mean
[11:17] <pygi> libburn package :)
[11:17] <raphink> yep
[11:17] <pygi> the upstream -- build system generates statics libs, it should shared libs
[11:17] <pygi> ubuntu/debian -- build system seems to generate shared libs
[11:17] <raphink> sure
[11:17] <pygi> I need confirmation, and changes ubuntu/debian did
[11:17] <raphink> oh ok
[11:17] <raphink> why don't you look at the diff.gz ?
[11:18] <raphink> fritsch: does it work?
[11:19] <raphink> pygi: you should see the debian/ubuntu changes from upstream in the diff.gz
[11:19] <fritsch> mom, my build just finished
[11:19] <raphink> well debian changes actually
[11:19] <fritsch> still donwloading from you
[11:19] <raphink> since there's no ubuntu version
[11:19] <raphink> fritsch: ok
[11:19] <pygi> raphink, I did, nothing useful it seems
[11:19] <raphink> it's directly on my server @ home so not very fast
[11:20] <pygi> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libb/libburn/libburn_0.2-2.diff.gz
[11:20] <raphink> I have it here pygi
[11:20] <fritsch> raphink: my rebuild ones are superseeded by the ones in riddels archive
[11:20] <fritsch> raphink: but i just rebuilt them
[11:20] <raphink> ok
[11:21] <fritsch> okay, installing yours
[11:21] <raphink> ok
[11:21] <pygi> raphink, anyway, nothing important, so go pack yourself :)
[11:22] <fritsch> raphink: okay kde restarting
[11:22] <raphink> ok
[11:22] <fritsch> raphink: and *trommelwirbel*
[11:22] <fritsch> YES!
[11:22] <fritsch> mmmh, just wait
[11:22] <fritsch> raphink: wait i remove my custom .kderc
[11:22] <raphink> ah ok
[11:23] <fritsch> raphink: WOOOOHOOO
[11:23] <fritsch> raphink: it is working
[11:23] <raphink> :)
[11:24] <fritsch> raphink: have the customazations from kubuntu again
[11:24] <fritsch> raphink: godlike
[11:24] <raphink> ok
[11:24] <raphink> I'll rebuild with the good version
[11:24] <fritsch> raphink: *singing* *dancing*
[11:24] <fritsch> raphink: autsch, mmmh don`t sing too loud if you live in sth. like this -> www.tennessee.uni-karlsruhe.de
[11:25] <fritsch> raphink: do you give the pacakges to riddell?
[11:26] <raphink> I will, when they're built
[11:26] <raphink> it'll take longer as I'm using the server for something else now
[11:27] <Riddell> raphink: you're a genius
[11:27] <Riddell> raphink: what did you do?
[11:27] <fritsch> raphink: cool, very cool i think many folks are wating
[11:27] <fritsch> Riddell: just rebuild
[11:27] <raphink> Riddell: I just rebuilt ...
[11:27] <raphink> no genius
[11:27] <Riddell> but.. but.. I've done that 50 times!
[11:27] <raphink> haha
[11:27] <raphink> from the latest edgy package
[11:27] <fritsch> Riddell: it`s working here ...
[11:28] <toma> my build is nearly uploaded
[11:28] <fritsch> Riddell: i can confirm
[11:28] <fritsch> toma: working, too?
[11:28] <Riddell> toma: have you installed it?
[11:28] <toma> not yet
[11:28] <fritsch> i have installed the "raphink ones" and they are working
[11:28] <fritsch> it did not disturb my custom settings, just working
[11:31] <fritsch> Riddell: kopete is working and able to connect (btw)
[11:31] <Riddell> fritsch: cool, thanks
[11:32] <Lure> fritsch: dapper kde 3.5.4? where can I get the packages to try to fix my desktop?
[11:33] <fritsch> Lure: wait till tomorrow morning?
[11:33] <fritsch> Lure: some fixed libs have to be uploaded
[11:34] <raphink> fritsch: it's building again
[11:34] <fritsch> raphink: hehe
[11:34] <fritsch> raphink: me grades up the athlon one
[11:35] <fritsch> raphink: newer, farer, faster ...
[11:35] <fritsch> raphink: oohh ist more fare
[11:35] <raphink> lol
[11:35] <fritsch> fritsch says hello to his englisch teacher
[11:38] <raphink> fritsch: -in ?
[11:38] <fritsch> raphink: mmh?
[11:38] <toma> Riddell: installed and booted, and i see no difference as a minute ago
[11:39] <raphink> Lehrer oder Lehererin?
[11:39] <raphink> Lehrerin
[11:39] <fritsch> raphink: rin
[11:39] <toma> Riddell: so i assume that means it works ;-)
[11:39] <fritsch> raphink: you speak german?
[11:39] <raphink> that's why you have to write it down
[11:39] <raphink> sure
[11:39] <fritsch> raphink: schin und prima
[11:39] <raphink> haha
[11:39] <Riddell> toma: thanks toma, you've just confirmed that I am going mad
[11:40] <toma> Riddell: sorry
[11:40] <Riddell> :)
[11:40] <raphink> take some vacation Riddell :)
[11:40] <raphink> hobseee can work alone now ;)
[11:40] <toma> Riddell: grep them from http://kubuntu.omat.nl if you want to
[11:40] <raphink> lol
[11:41] <fritsch> toma: did you change the version number?
[11:41] <fritsch> raphink: let`s see, if i can save your pole ... *g*
[11:41] <toma> fritsch: i did, but i doubt it is a good one ;-)
[11:41] <fritsch> toma: hehe
[11:42] <Riddell> don't suppose either or raphink or toma can make amd64 and/or powerpc packages?
[11:42] <toma> Riddell: no.
[11:42] <fritsch> okay, just did an dist-upgrade on an "fully normal" kde-353 pc, have to restart kdm to confirm
[11:45] <raphink> with a pbuilder on that machine I could build ppc
[11:45] <raphink> Riddell: but I can't build amd64
[11:46] <raphink> wb fritsch
[11:46] <Riddell> raphink: could you debuild -nc  your packages with a 3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper0.1 version number and upload the source
[11:46] <fritsch> okay, working with raphinks packages on the second computer
[11:46] <fritsch> no problems at all
[11:47] <raphink> Riddell: debuild -nc ?
[11:47] <fritsch> just everythin there where it was before
[11:47] <raphink> why not pbuild them with 3.5.4-0ubuntu2~dapper1 ?
[11:47] <Riddell> raphink: ok
[11:47] <Riddell> whatever is fastest
[11:47] <raphink> well I just need to set a pbuilder on my ppc
[11:47] <raphink> shouldn't be long
[11:49] <fritsch> raphink: Riddell: kwalletmanager does not appear, just for info
[11:50] <raphink> ah
[11:50] <fritsch> raphink: problem known in dapper?
[11:50] <fritsch> raphink: in edgy, sorry
[11:50] <fritsch> raphink: if you start kwalletmanager?
[11:51] <raphink> well haven't had the time to look at bugs lately :(
[11:51] <raphink> too much work
[11:51] <fritsch> sorry! just overlooked it, really sorry
[11:53] <raphink> no pb :)
[12:00] <toma> anyone some idea about resolution of pal/ntsc/svcd ?
[12:00] <raphink> no idea
[12:05] <Riddell> ntsc crap, pal better
[12:05] <Riddell> toma: wikipaedia knows all
[12:06] <toma> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131606
[12:06] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131606 in mpegencoder "images2mpg with SVCD changes the proportion of the pictures" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:06] <toma> Riddell: there is some doubt about that
[12:06] <allee> toma: s/doubt/horrible confusion/ :)
[12:06] <toma> allee: hehe


[12:48] <meecoder> I am trying to file a bug on launchpad but the page just stays the same when I try to submit it. It seems to reload though.
[12:52] <meecoder> fixed, sorry
[13:57] <shadeslayer> anyone mind looking at OOPS-02466d5a9d4f284cde7c706370504fe5 ?
[13:57] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7970635/
[13:58] <shadeslayer> script that causes it : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7970636/
[13:59] <wgrant> shadeslayer: It's built, so you can't retry it.
[13:59] <shadeslayer> so something in the API is borking it ?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> making it think that it's not actually built
[14:00] <wgrant> shadeslayer: your script is buggy.
[14:01] <shadeslayer> wgrant: oh?
[14:01] <wgrant>     for build in source.getBuilds():
[14:01] <wgrant>         if build.buildstate != "Failed to build":
[14:01] <wgrant>             if args.forcedepwait and build.buildstate != "Dependency wait":
[14:01] <wgrant>                 continue
[14:01] <wgrant> It'll only skip if it's not "Failed to build", and forcedepwait is set, and it's not "Dependency wait"
[14:02] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:02] <wgrant> I think you mean 'if build.buildstate != "Dependency wait" or args.forcedepwait:'
[14:02] <wgrant> Or something like that.
[14:02] <wgrant> Not quite.
[14:04] <shadeslayer> well, I think it needs a check to verify if the package has been built
[14:04] <shadeslayer> after the first if
[14:04] <cjwatson> There's also build.can_be_retried
[14:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:04] <shadeslayer> that looks perfect
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yep, thx
[18:33] <sithlord48> does anyone know the status of support for githubs submodules?
[20:19] <dobey> sithlord48: has nothing to do with github. submodules are not supported in bzr-git currently, no matter what git repository the import is from.
[20:21] <sithlord48> dobey: yes any idea when bzr-git will support them
[20:22] <dobey> no
[20:24] <sithlord48> ok thank you
[21:05] <shadeslayer> hah, never probably, I've been waiting for that for about 3 years now I think
[21:05] <shadeslayer> if your history ever had git submodules, you're screwed as well
[22:19] <dobey> would be better if git just dropped submodules support because it's a horrible thing to do anyway


[04:46]  * Guest42341 What a fine day for science!
[04:57] <nhaines> Science!  \o/
[06:23] <gurucubano> Hello, Good Morning
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> gurucubano: morning mate
[06:31] <mokmeister> gurucubano: good morning!
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[07:40] <svij> morning sturmflut2
[07:41] <sturmflut2> Has silo 22 already landed in rc-proposed?
[07:42] <jibel> sturmflut2, yes it landed last Friday and should be on today's rc-proposed build.
[07:43] <sturmflut2> Woohoo! Where is my SlimPort adapter ;)
[08:12] <marcus> hi all. i have read about unity 8 being ready for tests on 15.10 so I would like to ask how to install it.
[08:18] <JMD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop
[08:19] <JMD> to add it use this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[08:21] <marcus> hmm, i thought i could just run it directly
[08:21] <marcus> can't i install unity8-desktop-session-mir and access it from lightdm?
[08:25] <JMD> You can download a live image here but the recomended way is to update a system running Utopic to Wily
[08:26] <JMD> sorry not update but to add as an alternate session
[08:27] <arsson> Hello! i have this http://www.gsmarena.com/lenovo_tab_2_a10_70-7089.php and i'm wondering if it could swallow "ubuntu-touch" or "phablet" easyly included instructions?
[08:27] <JMD> live iso here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso
[08:36] <JMD> @arson. Don't think it's been ported to that device, but I could be wrong
[08:40] <arsson> JMD Well i was just kinda hoping but thanks and let me know if you are wrong :)
[08:56] <marcus> JMD, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/ does not seem to exist anymore
[08:57] <nhaines> They stopped building daily desktop-next images before 15.04 came out.
[09:05] <marcus> i have now tried to install unity8 and unity8-desktop-session-mir on 15.10 and at least a new session for unity 8 appeared in lightdm
[09:05] <nhaines> Ooh, a new daily update for Ubuntu on my Nexus 7!
[09:05]  * nhaines dances in his desk chair.
[09:05] <marcus> sadly i got logged out immediately
[09:06] <nhaines> marcus: what video drivers are you using?
[09:06] <marcus> testing on virtualbox
[09:06] <marcus> maybe i should install guest additions first
[09:06] <nhaines> You can try.  I'm not certain Mir works on VirtualBox at all.
[09:10] <marcus> ok. should it work on an intel gpu?
[09:11] <nhaines> Ought to.  Or even AMD or nvidia GPUs with open drivers, if I recall.  I haven't had a chance to work with it in a ong while.
[09:11] <nhaines> long while.
[09:17] <popey> mir does not work in vbox, only intel and nouveau I believe
[09:19] <duflu> popey: anpok_ got it working (in a limited sense) a while back... I think?
[09:19] <popey> cool!
[09:19] <duflu> Might be wrong. It's not generalised software rendering but limited to QXL
[09:19] <duflu> Something like that
[09:21] <duflu> Also, the Ubuntu emulator is Qemu-based(?). So there's that
[09:23] <oSoMoN> popey, does your youtube app use the keep-display-on policy?
[09:23] <popey> probably not, no
[09:23] <popey> I should do.
[09:24] <oSoMoN> it probably should, yes :)
[09:24] <marcus> at least it does not seem to work in virtualbox here ;)
[09:24] <marcus> going to try on real hardware next
[09:25] <popey> oSoMoN, got a suggestion of an app which does this already?
[09:25] <oSoMoN> popey, IIRC some GPS navigation apps do, although I don’t have names
[09:25] <popey> ah okay, will look
[09:36] <sturmflut2> Hmmm, unity8-lxc-setup no longer worked for me a while ago (endless loop while building the container) and now it tries to download a control file that doesn't exist.
[09:36] <sturmflut2> Seems the whole http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/ directory structure is gone
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy OK Corral Day! 😃
[09:48] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: Good morning!
[09:50] <justCarakas> o/ JamesTait
[09:51] <JamesTait> sturmflut2, justCarakas: 👋
[09:58] <sturmflut2> Ha, finally got around to building glmark2 against OTA-7
[10:14] <sturmflut2> Does the Unity8 LXC container still work? Last time I tried a couple of weeks ago it was stuck in a loop unpacking the ISO image, and now it tries to download non-existing files. The whole http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/ directory seems to be gone.
[10:19] <Guest42341> sturmflut2, yeah it's like they intentionally make it harder for people to test unity8
[10:20] <popey> sturmflut2, probably ask in -mir when chris is about, he maintained it
[10:21] <sturmflut2> Guest42341: Nah, nothing intentional about it.   Users can log into a Unity8 session on the desktop, experience the new features, and cleanly revert to the default Unity7 experience. "
[11:08] <nhaines> marcus: sure, and it works perfectly on supported hardware.
[11:09] <nhaines> And on non-supported hardware, it causes no problems and can be cleanly uninstalled.
[11:10] <marcus> ah, okay
[11:28] <pitti> Saviq: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtmir is FTBFS in xenial (see failed i386 test result)
[11:29] <Saviq> pitti, oh :/ checking
[11:29] <pitti> Saviq: thanks!
[11:29] <Saviq> ugh
[11:33] <pitti> Saviq: looks hard/odd?
[11:33] <Saviq> pitti, ld assertion error indeed
[11:34] <pitti> urgh
[11:34] <Saviq> trying to repro locally
[11:35] <pitti> Saviq: new binutils and gcc-5 are already in xenial, so you should be able to repro in a xenial chroot without -proposed; if it works there, enable -proposed
[11:35] <Saviq> pitti, yup, doing
[11:35] <Saviq> pitti, seems it only got to -proposed because it was a bincopy from wily/overlay
[11:35] <Saviq> I mean that's why we didn't see it before
[11:35] <pitti> Saviq: yes, slangasek did a mass copy right after opening xenial
[11:35] <pitti> so the train couldn't have caught it
[11:36] <Saviq> yup
[11:36] <pitti> Saviq: i. e. this wasn't meant as "you broke it", but I think you are still the best person to have a look
[11:36] <Saviq> ack
[11:37] <pitti> Saviq: this might very well be a binutils regression and thus something for doko/upstream, but for that it would greatly help to find a smaller reproducer
[11:37]  * pitti goes back to fix more test regressions, so much fun at a new release :)
[11:37] <Saviq> :)
[11:38] <sturmflut2> pitti: Thanks for all the hard work you're doing, BTW.
[11:38] <pitti> sturmflut2: *blush*, thanks!
[11:38] <pitti> likewise!
[11:39] <pitti> it's a fun juggling between fighting broken clouds, breaking tests, and breaking packages :)
[12:18] <Saviq> pitti, so yeah, qtmir can't be rebuilt in xenial (no proposed involved)
[12:21] <Saviq> bug #1510067
[12:40] <jhodapp> rvr, hey just want to make sure you're clear...for testing silo 15 just check to make sure there are no regressions
[12:40] <rvr> jhodapp: Ack
[12:40] <jhodapp> rvr, until music-app is fully ready and using the bg playlist functionality, it doesn't make sense for you to try to use it to test anything as you'll most certainly find bugs
[12:57] <popey> sturmflut2, <ChrisTownsend> popey: Yes, I've been working on it since last week.  I have a new version in https://launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/+archive/ubuntu/unity8-preview-lxc/+packages and I'm working out details to get a release into xenial.
[13:21] <mcphail> nhaines: I tried the unity8 desktop a coulpe of weeks ago on Wily, and it broke my system
[13:21] <mcphail> nhaines: does it work properly now?
[13:22] <sturmflut2> popey: Ah, thanks!
[13:23] <seb128> mcphail, what sort of issue? that's not known, how did you install it?
[13:23] <mcphail> seb128: I think I installed via "ubuntu-desktop-next", or whatever the metapackage was called
[13:24] <seb128> mcphail, that's not unity8, that was the binary to create a snappy image and incompatible with debs, that binary was removed before wily
[13:24] <seb128> mcphail, you want unity8-desktop-session-mir
[13:25] <mcphail> seb128: Maybe that was the one. I'd asked on IRC what metapackage was current
[13:25] <seb128> mcphail, k, can't help you if you don't know what you installed
[13:25] <seb128> but it should work
[13:25] <seb128> if it didn't for you you should have opened a bug
[13:26] <mcphail> seb128: I might try again. It pulled in a bluetooth package which failed to be configured (I don't have bluetooth on the machine) with a trail of broken dependencies as a result. It messed up my grub.conf, leaving me with a text console
[13:27] <seb128> mcphail, that was likely ubuntu-desktop-next then
[13:27] <seb128> which was removed
[13:27] <mcphail> aah. My fault, then
[13:27] <seb128> you want unity8-desktop-session-mir
[13:27] <mcphail> Cheers!
[13:27] <seb128> also the bluetooth issue was resolved before wily release
[13:28] <mcphail> good to hear.
[13:28]  * mcphail will uninstall the nvidia drivers and try it out
[13:36] <doko> Saviq, pitti: known. https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19171
[13:38] <Saviq> doko, ack
[13:39] <Saviq> doko, shall I do anything with the LP bug or will you take care/dupe it?
[13:40] <doko> which one?
[13:41] <matv1> is anyone getting feedback from people that soundquality on the other end of the phone is very poor on Mako?
[13:44] <matv1> is that still some android driver that needs to be manually upgraded? I seem to recall something like that from way back when..
[14:00] <dobey> matv1: flashing the newer 4.4 radio firmware reportedly fixed it.
[14:11] <marcus> i have now installed it on real hardware with intel gpu and it works perfectly. thanks nhaines
[14:37] <matv1> dobey thanks I do remember that now. I shelved my Mako a long time ago and started using it again recently. I believe that I did do that 4.4 upgrade before I first flashed to UT.
[14:38] <matv1> Is there a way to check from ubuntu if that  firmware version is in place?
[14:44] <dobey> matv1: i think you have to reboot to fastboot and it tells you the radio fw version there
[14:48] <matv1> dobey ah cheers i will try that.
[14:50] <Saviq> doko, oh sorry, missed your question: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510067
[15:10] <matv1> dobey all I see is a baseband-version. No specific radio firmware version. Should I be able to deduce my radio firmware version from the baseband?
[15:11] <dobey> matv1: i think they are the same thing?
[15:13] <dobey> matv1: occam-ktu84p/radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1701.03.img
[15:17] <matv1> dobey yes mine says the same: m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1701.03
[15:18] <matv1> So I should be good on the firmware right?
[15:18] <qruology> hello, I saw a mailing list post from few months ago about testing the wifi tether feature; did it ever make it into any channels? Or am I missing something obvious? I'm on mako 272 and on rc-proposed channel and I don't see it in cellular settings.
[15:18] <dobey> matv1: that's the last version from the 4.4 series of android, yeah
[15:19] <dobey> qruology: wifi tether is blacklisted on mako because it doesn't work there
[15:19] <matv1> hmm which makes my poor sound on the other end what? an ofono bug?
[15:20] <dobey> no idea
[15:21] <qruology> dobey: thank you
[15:21] <dobey> matv1: is it better if you use a headset instead of the internal mic/speaker?
[15:22] <matv1> dobey are you thinking of a bad mic on my device?
[15:24] <dobey> matv1: no. could be many things. just asking for another point of data. a headset will tell you if it's more likely an echo issue as a result of feedback
[15:26] <matv1> dobey I see. I will investigate further. dont have a headset handy. never use one.
[15:26] <matv1> dobey thanks for thinking with me
[15:27] <dobey> matv1: if you have any headphones, just plug them in and try with that
[15:27] <dobey> matv1: i guess you might be able to leave yourself a voicemail to test :)
[15:28] <matv1> dobey that I could try. hang on :)
[15:43] <matv1> dobey hmm my voicemail sounds fine to me. with headphones connected.
[15:45] <dobey> matv1: if you leave a voicemail without, do you hear any issues?
[15:45] <matv1> already on it :)
[15:47] <matv1> dobey that does seem worse yes.
[15:48] <matv1> so its a feedback loop issue?
[15:48] <matv1> thats weird
[15:48] <dobey> matv1: ok. i'd suggest opening a bug and including that information in the bug description. maybe against ofono or pulseaudio
[15:51] <matv1> dobey I will do that. cheers
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> matv1: wich device on wich channel is this mate?
[15:55] <matv1> lotuspsychje on Mako stable channel latest updates(OTA7)
[15:56] <matv1> why?
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> matv1:  im just interested in different issues on different devices
[15:58] <matv1> ah I see :) So do you or dobey know if there were any significant changes to pulseaudio across OTA7?
[15:59] <matv1> off the top of your heads? I could dive into the changelogs myself
[15:59] <dobey> no
[15:59] <matv1> no as in no changes of no idea :) ?
[16:00] <dobey> i don't think there were any changes to pulseaudio, but i don't watch for changes to everything in the image either
[16:00] <dobey> but this is also a long standing issue, so i doubt that anything in ota7 itself is the problem
[16:01] <dobey> you can downgrade to the previous image and see if it has the same issues too, i guess
[16:02] <matv1> dobey true. I might have to do that.
[16:02] <matv1> actualy not that big a deal
[18:16] <slangasek> Saviq, pitti: fwiw there was a similar build failure of fwupdate in xenial, this is looking like a binutils regression on i386 to me
[18:18] <slangasek> Saviq, pitti: and I hear that a new binutils has been uploaded already that fixes this
[18:19] <slangasek> so we just need to retry the qtmir test
[18:19] <Saviq> slangasek, doko already pointed at https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19171
[18:19] <slangasek> ok grand :)
[18:19] <Saviq> and if the fix's already uploaded then indeed a retry should work
[18:20] <ahayzen> robru, Hey I was told you would be best to look at this. I was trying to install Jim's silo 015 to test earlier via the citrain, and it decided to remove unity8 along with other things! I have reported bug 1510204 detailing what happened, is this due to me having an old (vivid) phablet-tools or is this a bug in the citrain, as this happens alot on the silos we are working on
[18:20] <doko> Saviq, slangasek: still building
[18:20] <Saviq> ahayzen, what's your citrain version?
[18:20] <ahayzen> Saviq, 1.1+15.04.20150330-0ubuntu1
[18:21] <Saviq> ahayzen, yeah, that's old, there's a new version that fixes those issues
[18:21]  * ahayzen is likely to update to Wily over the next few days so it may be fixed there :-)
[18:21] <Saviq> ahayzen, available in vivid overlay, for example
[18:21] <ahayzen> Saviq, ah cool :-) no more manual apt pinning \o/
[18:43] <robru> ahayzen: even the version in wily is old and bad, you need either to update to xenial or get the latest phablet-tools-citrain from phablet-team/tools ppa or sdk ppa
[18:43] <ahayzen> robru, ah ok thanks :-)
[18:44] <robru> ahayzen: you're welcome
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: have you fixxed your one issue?
[19:16] <mterry> barry, you work on system-image, eh?  I'm looking at updating the animation used when flashing devices, and am trying to estimate how long a given update will take.  I assume it scales roughly linearly with image delta size?  Where is the image delta file on disk?  I see us running "/sbin/system-image-upgrader /cache/recovery/command" to do the actual work...  Where is that code?
[19:16] <kevie> hi folks :)
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> hi kevie
[19:18] <kevie> Just wondering if there is a way to sync the calendar on Ubuntu Touch with a client like Thunderbird?
[19:18] <barry> mterry: let me describe si client 3.0.2 which should be what's in the next ota.  if you look in /etc/system-image/config.d you'll see a bunch of numbered .ini files.  they are read in numeric order ignoring the suffix, with later settings overriding earlier settings
[19:20] <barry> mterry: the data files are in [updater]cache_partition which is /android/cache/recovery by default.  the ubuntu_command file contains the commands that recovery will execute and they name the data files that will get unpacked
[19:21] <barry> mterry: the code is in https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image?h=master
[19:21] <WolfiWolfi> lotuspsychie: no, i'm sorry. i don't have an idea how i can solve this problem...
[19:21] <barry> the manpages have lots of details, and just ping me if you have questions about the tree
[19:22] <mterry> barry, ok... will check it all out and bother you again later  :)
[19:22] <barry> mterry: :)  no bother, of course!
[19:22] <mterry> barry, in an unrelated note, doko poked me about duplicity and python3.  Are we making another python3 push for 16.04?
[19:23] <barry> mterry: yes.  we all want python2 off the default installs
[19:23] <barry> and we're going to make a big push for this for xenial
[19:23] <mterry> barry, I wasn't planning to spend personal time on duplicity's port, but if we are serious about xenial, I can talk to my manager for work time
[19:24] <barry> mterry: yes, that would be excellent.  i'm happy to help as well, but i'm unfamiliar with the code
[19:24]  * dobey wonders what will happen with s-c in that respect
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> here's a question for you devs: me and WolfiWolfi had a weird ubuntu ONE account issue: installing something resulted in a ONE account loop saying there occured an error, resetting phone didnt help making new account neither, both happened on BQ 4.5 and meizu
[19:24] <mterry> barry, yeah I figure my familiarity with the code would make me almost as fast as you with your python-ninja skills  :)
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> my error is gone now, but i dont know what solved it
[19:25] <dobey> lotuspsychje: what is in ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log when it happens?
[19:25] <barry> dobey: it's been ages, but if s-c is going to be kept (there are perennial rumors to the contrary) then iirc mvo did a python3 port but it got stuck on xapian.  but i think xapian has also been ported to py3 so maybe that's not a blocker any more
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: can you check what dobey asks?
[19:25] <WolfiWolfi> ok, just a moment
[19:26] <barry> mterry: together we are invincible! :)
[19:26] <dobey> barry: ubuntu-sso-client isn't python3 either (as is not a lot of stuff it requires)
[19:26] <WolfiWolfi> no, xcuse me, but i don't have more the app to show this
[19:26] <barry> yep
[19:26] <dobey> barry: would be nice to just get rid of ubuntu-sso-client though
[19:26] <barry> yep
[19:28] <WolfiWolfi> lotuspsychje: how i can see what is in this folder?
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: its a logfile, from terminal i think
[19:29] <WolfiWolfi> i don't have the terminal, i need ubuntu one to download it
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> dobey: ok i have it from logviewer app, what am i looking for?
[19:31] <dobey> lotuspsychje: i need to see the logs
[19:31] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: you can use phablet-shell with developer mode enabled on the phone, to view the logs over ssh
[19:31] <doko> dobey, are you volunteering for a s-c port? ;)
[19:31] <dobey> lotuspsychje: but more importantly, if you can't recreate the issue, your logs aren't going to have useful info
[19:31] <dobey> doko: no
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12973069/
[19:32] <doko> barry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/823254 is up to date. all deps are at least available
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> dobey: this issue is solved on my bq, so only WolfiWolfi still has it
[19:33] <barry> doko: cool.
[19:33] <dobey> lotuspsychje: then WolfiWolfi needs to recreate the issue and send me the log correlated to the issue happening
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> dobey: ok
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: can you try what dobey asks?
[19:35] <WolfiWolfi> hm... i'm not an expert on ubuntu, sorry. how i can recreate the issue?
[19:35] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: trying to install apps from the store
[19:36] <mterry> barry, how can I get my phone in the state that on next reboot it would flash, but not to automatically reboot?  (i.e. I want to inspect the system with all the image update files in place)
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: he means make same error happen on your phone, so we can see the logs whats happening
[19:37] <barry> mterry: use system-image-cli -g
[19:37] <barry> (-g == --no-apply)
[19:37] <mterry> barry, ah great
[19:37] <mterry> barry, I should learn to try --help first  ;)
[19:37] <barry> mterry: and man :)
[19:38] <WolfiWolfi> dobey: i can't install apps from the store because i need the ubuntu one account. but something will not accept it
[19:39] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: i don't understand what you mean. it keeps asking you to log in, showing the "go to accounts" button, when you try to install apps, no?
[19:39] <WolfiWolfi> yes
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> popey: would this be usefull in topic? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[19:41] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: then, go to the store scope, try to install an app or two a few times, and then with developer mode enabled, plug your phone into your PC with USB, and "adb pull ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log" and pastebin it or something, making sure there's no private data being shown in it first, so i can see it
[19:43] <tathhu> doko, snapchat? :P
[19:49] <WolfiWolfi> dobey, i don't have ubuntu on my pc :-/
[19:50] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: do you have the android developer tools installed?
[19:50] <WolfiWolfi> on the smartphone?
[19:51] <dobey> no, on your PC
[19:51] <WolfiWolfi> no, what i have to install?
[19:51] <WolfiWolfi> what's the name of the tool?
[19:51] <pmcgowan> WolfiWolfi, just for grins, is the time on your phone set properly?
[19:51] <dobey> oh, i don't know for other platforms
[19:51] <WolfiWolfi> yes pcmgowan
[19:51] <pmcgowan> ok seem you went there already
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: would that influence ONE account?
[19:52] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: do you have virtualbox or something where you can run an ubuntu VM?
[19:52] <pmcgowan> yes, the server checks that the exchange is within a certain tie period
[19:52] <pmcgowan> time
[19:52] <dobey> lotuspsychje: possible, because oauth tokens are only valid for a short time period
[19:52] <pmcgowan> I think 15 mins
[19:52] <dobey> but unlikely
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> hmmm cant remember changing time before it got fixxed
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> just trying to think along
[19:53] <dobey> the phone has ntpd, so you'd basically have to not have network and actively have the time broken, and yet somehow still be able to connect to the server
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> it just dissapeared on me after few times trying to install apps
[19:53] <pmcgowan> or have it set to manual which was the case for someone last week
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: yes i set time manual
[19:54] <pmcgowan> lotuspsychje, if your time is more than 15 mins skewed from the server could cause problems
[19:57] <WolfiWolfi> pmcgowan: it was the solution! i changed the time-settings to "Automatisch" (automatically)
[19:57] <pmcgowan> aha
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: +11111
[19:57] <WolfiWolfi> lotuspsychje, no i can download apps!
[19:57] <dobey> huh
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> so i had time also to manual instead of automatic
[19:58] <dobey> i guess we'll have to do the crazy "get the time from the server" stuff on the phone too
[19:58] <pmcgowan> yeah
[19:58] <dobey> :(
[19:58] <pmcgowan> we talked about that last week
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> tnx for solving this guys
[19:58] <pmcgowan> great
[19:58] <pmcgowan> but why did this seem to happen to multiple phones
[19:58] <pmcgowan> all of a sudden
[19:58] <dobey> no idea
[19:58] <pmcgowan> something fishy
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> im on bq 4.5 and WolfiWolfi meizu
[20:00] <WolfiWolfi> thanks a lot from me too
[20:00] <pmcgowan> lotuspsychje, WolfiWolfi had you both set time to manual deliberately?
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan, dobey mine got solved without a reason also, time was still set to manual here
[20:02] <dobey> space goats
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> changing it right now doesnt influence anymore neither
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> i can download anything
[20:10] <pmcgowan> lotuspsychje, when did this first start?
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: hmm lemme think
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: cant really bind an event to this... suddenly i had the account loop
[20:10] <pmcgowan> if its not today then its not due to  the time change
[20:10] <pmcgowan> which I dont think it is
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: few weeks ago i had this issue
[20:11] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:11] <Drwd> Hello guys
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: reset to defaults and making new account didnt help
[20:12] <pmcgowan> thats odd
[20:12] <Drwd> Check out your time zone
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: so after the reset, time gets back to automatic right?
[20:12] <pmcgowan> I would expect
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: its weird that wolfi's issue got fixxed by that then
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: maybe its just a glitch in server sync as you say?
[20:13] <Drwd> Does someone can use the host-post?
[20:13] <pmcgowan> yeah deserves a bit more thought
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: i hope you guys find it
[20:18] <lotuspsychje_> pmcgowan: i cant recreate it anymore, tryed both manual/automatic time after a reboot
[20:19] <lotuspsychje_> if it would happen again ill let you guys know
[20:20] <lotuspsychje_> pmcgowan: if it can help im from belgium and wolfi from germany
[20:20] <lotuspsychje_> laterz
[20:22] <Drwd> Anyone on here?
[20:22] <dobey> Drwd: not sure what you're asking
[20:23] <tathhu>  #ubuntu-touch: Total: 292 users
[20:23] <Drwd> Im asking about wifi host-post
[20:23] <tathhu> maybe
[20:23] <dobey> Drwd: you mean hotspot?
[20:23] <dobey> it works on the bq devices, and i think on the meizu mx4, afaik
[20:24] <dobey> it's not usable on mako (neuxs4) though
[20:25] <Drwd> I turn on the hostpost and it does not work
[20:25] <dobey> Drwd: on what device?
[20:25] <Drwd> BQ E 4.5
[20:27] <dobey> ok, i don't have one myself, so i can't really help much.
[20:27] <dobey> have you tried rebooting?
[20:27] <Drwd> Yup
[20:28] <Drwd> I am connected on wifi ok, then I turn on the hostpost
[20:29] <Drwd> I tried on samsung to use the free hostpost, I said connected but dont allow internet
[20:29] <Drwd> *It said connected
[20:29] <dobey> Drwd: you do have a sim card in the bq right?
[20:29] <Drwd> Yes, It wont be able with out sim.
[20:30] <Drwd> I think the hostpost is made to use with internet mobile right?
[20:31] <dobey> ok. should work if cellular data is connected and the hotspot is enabled
[20:31] <dobey> if it's not, please file a bug
[20:31] <Drwd> I want to use with wifi and not mobile data
[20:32] <dobey> i don't think you can do that
[20:32] <Drwd> You mean hospost only work with mobile data ?
[20:33] <tathhu> why would one use hotspot on phone with wifi? I assume it's for those moments when there's noe wifi for eg laptop..
[20:33] <dobey> yes i don't think it's usable as a wifi repeater
[20:34] <tathhu> usb tethering would be cool ~
[20:34] <Drwd> Lol
[20:34] <dobey> tathhu: you can turn it on, but it disables adb i think
[20:35] <Drwd> Ok i got u, then I am not able to share internet with wifi, only sim mobile.
[20:36] <dobey> i think so, yes.
[20:37] <dobey> it works to share the sim data right?
[20:38] <Drwd> Maybe, but I dont want to spend mobile data smh
[20:39] <Drwd> I want to make an AP on device to share and sniffe the wifi, but if im not able then it is ok.
[20:40] <dobey> ok, afaik, sharing wifi over wifi is not supported
[20:41] <Drwd> The problem is hardware or software?
[20:41] <dobey> i don't know. i didn't work on that feature
[20:42] <Drwd> Oh dont worry bro, I can feel that feeling.
[21:12] <ahoneybun> someone should port Ubuntu touch to the new amazon tablet, 50 bucks!
[21:20] <dobey> ahoneybun: go for it
[21:21] <ahoneybun> XD
[21:21] <ahoneybun> I've no exp at that
[21:21] <drwd> Follow your heart
[21:22] <drwd> Did you unlock the bootloader?
[21:34] <SturmFlut> sverzegnassi: Ping
[21:41] <onla> hey. what is the name for the project or platform that was kind of like an OS for mobile and PC both
[21:42] <onla> there was a device coming with it this winter or smth maybe?
[21:43] <onla> or what is the word for the concept, that the OS is for mobile and touch and desktop
[21:44] <onla> ah.. http://liliputing.com/2015/05/ubuntu-phone-that-works-as-a-desktop-pc-coming-in-2015.html
[21:44] <onla> how is this going?
[21:44] <onla> ubuntu convergence
[21:45] <sverzegnassi> SturmFlut: o/
[21:53] <onla> is there a irc room for ubuntu convergence?
[22:11] <OerHeks> hmm http://liliputing.com/2015/10/xiaomi-redmi-2-pro-smartphones-hits-the-fcc.html