[01:57] <kraut> evining
[02:46] <faulkes-> evening
[02:57] <pwnguin> so is there some magic i need to get myrinet working?
[03:12] <nijaba> hey faulkes- :)
[03:12] <nijaba> just replied to your email
[03:12] <nijaba> I have setup an lp project for the survey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-survey/
[03:29] <nijaba> faulkes-: some good info for you on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto
[04:46] <faulkes-> nijaba: thanks
[06:26] <peanutb> hello
[06:26] <peanutb> My apache2 install is dyeing every half hour for an unknown reason
[06:26] <peanutb> the error.log shows no reason it would crash
[06:27] <peanutb> what is the next step in trying to figure out the problem
[06:40] <faulkes-> peanutb: consider using strace
[06:41] <faulkes-> or check /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages
[06:41] <faulkes-> for any unusual messages
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> peanutb, turn up apaches loggin
[07:28] <achandrashekar> Hello, I have been on off and on, and am working in ubuntu 7.10 ltsp 5 (edubuntu). I have been fighting a ldap installation which uses libnss that causes a system lock up on boot when it hits the klog daemon.Has someone else run into this? And what can be done??
[07:28] <achandrashekar>  I tried to get on in the morning with no responses
[07:28] <achandrashekar>  thanks in advance.
[11:19] <nijaba> morning
[11:50] <faulkes-> morning
[15:54] <mookid> hello friends
[15:54] <mookid> :)
[16:06] <jjess1> hello9 mookid
[16:06] <mookid> if I
[16:06] <mookid> woops :]
[16:07] <mookid> if I
[16:07] <mookid> eeepc keyboard :D
[16:08] <mookid> if i'm trying to learn to use server properly - is it wise to avoid gnome/kde and stick to command line?
[16:08] <mookid> what are everyone's thoughts on that?
[16:08] <mookid> I
[16:09] <mookid> I'm learning it to go into web dev if that makes any difference
[16:15] <faulkes-> mookid: yes, learning how to do things via the cli will be immensely useful to you
[16:16] <faulkes-> I wouldn't say avoid gnome/kde, they do provide useful apps and such, but if you are planning to run a server (or many servers), understanding the command line is vital
[16:16] <mookid> ok I think i'll stick to the cli for now then - just wanted to check i wasnt cutting off my nose to spite my face =)
[16:17] <ScottK> Fundamentally while GUI apps can make things easier to do, they make it harder to understand your system.  If you want to administer servers, you really want to understand your system.
[16:17] <mookid> yeah that
[16:17] <mookid> that's one of the things i hate about MCSE
[16:19] <mookid> is there a way i can see which of the optional packages were added on the install?
[16:19] <mookid> i.e. DNS , LAMP stack etc..
[16:38] <AstralSin> anyone know if its possible to install ubuntu server over the network instead of via cd?
[16:38] <mookid> I would've thought so
[16:40] <AstralSin> hmmmm surely this server has a PXE nic
[16:41] <AstralSin> im having strange problems, i'm hoping a network install will fix it, i've tried burning 2 cds with 2 different isos where the md5sum checks out on everything, but i keep getting an error about corrupt packages
[16:41] <AstralSin> oh, found the network install instructions, btw
[16:44] <peanutb> it looks like from syslog that somoene is makeing an abnormally large number of connects to my ftp server
[16:45] <peanutb> oh doh thats my checkiing if online service
[16:48] <c1|freaky> is there a tool which reads a file and after it has read it deletes the content?
[16:48] <AstralSin> what do you mean? what type of file?
[16:49] <AstralSin> just a text file?
[16:49] <c1|freaky> yea.
[16:49] <AstralSin> cat file; rm file; touch file
[16:49] <c1|freaky> ok, thx
[16:49] <AstralSin> that'll read the file contents out to screen, remove it, create an empty file in its place
[16:49] <AstralSin> if you want the file gone completely, remove the touch file part
[16:51] <peanutb> im not finding anything in /var/log/messages
[16:51] <peanutb> and /var/log/syslog doest go back far enough
[16:51] <peanutb> gah... i posted that last night
[16:51] <peanutb> ok... Apahce is randomly crashing on me
[16:52] <peanutb> adn i cant find the cause
[16:52] <peanutb> as far as i know, nothing has changed
[16:52] <c1|freaky> ok
[16:52] <c1|freaky> what i want to do is monitor a directory recursively of file changes, creation etc. using inotify and post it to an IRC channel
[17:08] <faulkes-> peanutb: use strace
[17:08] <faulkes-> it will output a whole bunch of stuff you probably won't understand but when it dies, it'll pretty much give other people the information to tell you why
[17:09] <peanutb> ok
[17:09] <faulkes-> i.e. strace -f -o mystracelog.txt -p <primary id of apache>
[17:10] <faulkes-> primary pid that is
[17:10] <peanutb> k
[17:10] <faulkes-> if you do a "ps -ef
[17:10] <faulkes-> err, "ps -ef | grep apache" you will see all apache and all it's children
[17:10] <faulkes-> the primary pid will be the one who's owner is root
[17:10] <peanutb> i got it from a top
[17:11] <faulkes-> the others will be www-data
[17:11] <faulkes-> ok
[17:11] <peanutb> running it right now
[17:11]  * peanutb waits for the apache died email which will show up in an hour or so
[17:19] <mookid> #
[17:19] <mookid> ####################################
[17:19] <mookid> appologies
[17:28] <peanutb> ok it crashed
[17:28] <peanutb> lets look at this log
[17:29] <peanutb> http://pastebin.ca/915249
[17:30] <peanutb> faulkes-: if you are still around ^^
[17:33] <faulkes-> sec
[17:35] <faulkes-> err, I thought you said this was apache?
[17:35] <faulkes-> root@srv:/etc/lighttpd#
[17:35] <faulkes-> however, the last line of that file
[17:36] <peanutb> i ran it from /etc/lighttpd
[17:36] <peanutb> it is apache
[17:36] <peanutb> (I was going to get it up in the mean time but didnt get it working)
[17:36] <peanutb> yeah the last line is curious
[17:36] <faulkes-> 5679  +++ killed by SIGKILL +++
[17:36] <peanutb> could it be a cron job?
[17:36] <faulkes-> which makes me think something is automatically killing your httpd process
[17:37] <peanutb> because i know i didnt send it a kil signal
[17:37] <peanutb> yeah
[17:37] <peanutb> so what would do such?
[17:38]  * faulkes- shakes his magic 8 ball
[17:38] <peanutb> mmm
[17:38] <faulkes-> I would first start by checking /etc/cron.d/ and /etc/cron.hourly
[17:39] <faulkes-> as well doing a crontab -u root -l and a crontab -u www-data -l
[17:39] <faulkes-> that would be the first step in trying to eliminate if it is something the system is running
[17:41] <peanutb> i just deleted a few weird php ones in there
[17:41] <peanutb> just now
[17:41] <peanutb> though nothing had really changed
[17:42] <peanutb> we shall see if that had anything to do with it
[18:34] <AstralSin> i think the latest ubuntu server iso is borked, it kept telling me there were corrupt packages but i used an older iso for an install and it worked fine
[20:53] <z5000man> I'm having issues right now with Ubuntu Server 7.10
[20:53] <z5000man> I'm trying to installed ISPConfig, but I haven't even made it through the pre-requisites.
[20:53] <z5000man> Issues with bind, telnet, and I'm pretty sure it has something to do with /etc/network/interfaces
[20:53] <z5000man> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
[21:29] <faulkes-> could you perhaps better describe said "issues"
[22:07] <z5000man> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_server_ubuntu7.10p4 step 12, bind won't stop.  RDNC connect error.
[22:27] <faulkes-> that url gives a permission denied message
[22:30] <z5000man>  http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_server_ubuntu7.10_p4, sorry forgot the underscore
[22:31] <faulkes-> at what point in that tutorial, in the dns section, does your error message occur?
[22:37] <z5000man> right after I try to stop bind
[22:37] <z5000man> rdnc connect error
[22:38] <z5000man> I think my problems lie in my LocalHost and DNS, but i wouldn't know what to check for
[23:01] <faulkes-> iirc rndc is a control facility for named and options for it are setup in named.conf
[23:01] <c1|freaky> is there a tool which can tell me how a directory changed since the last execution of the program? inotify/iwatch etc. report in realtime or run as daemons
[23:01] <c1|freaky> i dont want that i need
[23:02] <faulkes-> z5000: man rndc & man rndc.conf
[23:02] <faulkes-> you might also want to check that iptables is allowing connections to port 53 to localhost
[23:03] <faulkes-> c1: I am not aware of any such tool unless you were to write one yourself
[23:40] <c1|freaky> how can i remove a mailman mailinglist?
[23:44] <faulkes-> sudo aptitude remove mailmain
[23:44] <faulkes-> err
[23:45] <faulkes-> sudo aptitude remove mailman
[23:52] <c1|freaky> heh, just a mailinglist not the package


[01:13] <bdx> hitting some really strange issues with CMR beta3
[01:13] <bdx> I'll bring them up monday


[00:02] <flourishing7> aveilleux: please look at the beginning of the next paste, it seems it is asking for some form of parameters: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548097/
[00:03] <aveilleux> flourishing7: it's --keyserver, not -keyserver
[00:03] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Actually, all of those commands should have -- in front, not -
[00:04] <aveilleux> (except the - at the end)
[00:04] <flourishing7> ok
[00:09] <flourishing7> aveilleux: I also tried to reload the synaptic ... the result is at the end of the next paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548099/
[00:11] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Don't bother with Synaptic. It's just an apt frontend; you'll get the same results as apt-get.
[00:14] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Those are the only solutions I know. The update server you're operating on may not be functioning properly. try this:
[00:14] <aveilleux> flourishing7: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:14] <ibuclaw> http://extras.ubuntu.com <- what's that?
[00:15] <aveilleux> Find the line that's something like: deb http://us.extras.ubuntu.com/ etc ect and put a hash in front of it (#)
[00:16] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Then save and run sudo apt-get update once mor
[00:16] <aveilleux> e
[00:16] <flourishing7> ok
[00:18] <flourishing7> aveilleux: it is not us.extras just extras - it is: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick main
[00:18] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Whatever it is. Put a hash in front.
[00:21] <flourishing7> aveilleux: it responded: E: The update command takes no arguments
[00:21] <aveilleux> That's right, it doesn't
[00:21] <aveilleux> flourishing7: "once more" was a part of the sentence, not the command.
[00:22] <flourishing7> Aveilleux: sorry - now it says: The program 'udo' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[00:22] <flourishing7> sudo apt-get install udo
[00:22] <aveilleux> sudo
[00:22] <aveilleux> not udo
[00:24] <flourishing7> aveilleux: sorry, the result is at : http://paste.ubuntu.com/548101/
[00:25] <aveilleux> That makes no sense at all.
[00:25] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Paste the output of: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:27] <flourishing7> aveilleux: it is at : http://paste.ubuntu.com/548105/
[00:29] <aveilleux> flourishing7: Oh. Also comment out the deb-src line for extras.ubuntu.com (line 48)
[00:29] <aveilleux> flourishing7: By that I mean put a # in front
[00:32] <flourishing7> aveilleux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548107/
[00:33] <aveilleux> flourishing7: So we're good.
[00:33] <flourishing7> does this mean that we omitted part of the updates?
[00:34] <aveilleux> flourishing7: We removed the extras.ubuntu.com repository. But don't worry; there's nothing on that server right now. (That I could see)
[00:35] <flourishing7> ok  thank you - let me just see if I can send a picture of the keys that I now have because I was trying to fix this for hours via reading the forums and ran some commands
[00:41] <flourishing7> aveilleux: can you please look at this : http://imagebin.org/129832
[01:14] <flourishing7> :-)
[02:29] <mymrhelpdesk> ok i think i have an easy one not directly ubuntu but an application xchat is there anyway to save the channels you are logged into? and rejoin them when you login?
[02:32] <UndiFineD> mymrhelpdesk, rightclick a channel and add it to your favorites
[02:35] <nhandler> I have a 1tb external hard drive. For one reason or another, it got zeroed. I am now having a hard time getting it reformated either in windows or ubuntu. Both struggle to even detect it, and when they do, they fail to format
[02:36] <nhandler> Any suggestions?
[02:36] <holstein> hmmm
[02:36] <holstein> might want to hit it with a tool
[02:36] <nit-wit> nhandler, you might try the latest grub on a bootable cd
[02:36] <holstein> i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[02:36] <holstein> could be dead :/
[02:36] <nit-wit> nhandler, SORRY GPARTED
[02:37] <holstein> yeah, gparted is on the UBCD and my usual first tool
[02:37] <nit-wit> ultimate boot is good
[02:37] <nhandler> nit-wit: I tried using whatever gparted is in the maverick repositories. I also tried running it off of some live cd I had sitting around. I'll try UBCD later
[02:50] <roydaman2> ok need help dual booting xp and zorin on seperate HDD
[02:51] <roydaman2> need to know how i should edit the GRUB file
[02:51] <aveilleux> roydaman2: If you set up Windows first, then Zorin, the installation of GRUB should automatically pick up Windows on the second drive.
[02:52] <roydaman2> thats what everything i read on google said but it didnt
[02:52] <aveilleux> roydaman2: Then log into Zorin and run sudo update-grub from Terminal
[02:53] <roydaman2> ive had xp forever now and wanted to transition to ubuntu so i DL the iso burnt it and installed but i can only boot to xp unless i put in the live DVD
[02:53] <aveilleux> roydaman2: You have to set the Linux drive to boot first in BIOS.
[02:53] <roydaman2> ok im in Zorin now ill try it
[02:54] <roydaman2> ok its asking if i want to generate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:55] <roydaman2> i said yes
[02:56] <aveilleux> roydaman2: Did you catch what I just said? That's more important.
[02:56] <roydaman2> setting the linux drive to boot first
[02:57] <roydaman2> yes so restart enter BIOS setup change so IDE (linux) is booted before SATA (XP)
[02:59] <roydaman2> can do will try that now be back sdoon with answers
[02:59] <roydaman2> thanks ave
[03:05] <Roydaman2> ok aveilleux thatw as exactly what needed to be done
[03:05] <Roydaman2> thank you very much for your help i been reading and tryin all day to get that
[03:05] <Roydaman2> *done
[03:06] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: I had the very same setup at my old work, and that was the same problem
[03:06] <Roydaman2> 2 mins of talkin to some 1 that understands what i needed and BAM!! done
[03:06] <Roydaman2> well your help was greatly appreciated everything i read kept tellin me to edit the GRUB file
[03:07] <Roydaman2> nothing about changing the HDD boot order
[03:07] <Roydaman2> maybe we should post somethin out there for the next person
[03:07] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: the only problem is that everyone tries to troubleshoot Linux, as if it were the problem
[03:07] <aveilleux> which is not always the case.
[03:08] <Roydaman2> ok next question for you or n e 1 that may know it says i have 2 versions of linux installed
[03:08] <Roydaman2> this one im using and one on hda5
[03:08] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: What does it say for a name?
[03:09] <Roydaman2> umm i cant remember the whole thing but one was linux.......2.6.something and the other was the exact same just on hda5
[03:10] <Roydaman2> there was 2 entries for both like a regular and i think it was safeboot
[03:10] <Roydaman2> so there were 4 linux entries and 1 XP
[03:14] <aveilleux> Unusual.
[03:19] <Roydaman2> thats what i was thinking
[03:19] <shigins> Would dual booting 32bit ubuntu with 64 bit windows cause any problems?
[03:20] <Roydaman2> but hey it works htis way so what the hay ill just leave the other one alone and go on about life
[03:20] <Roydaman2> shigins i have 32 bit XP and 64 bit ubuntu working right now
[03:20] <aveilleux> shigins: No.
[03:21] <Roydaman2> so as long as your hardware can handle it i dont see why not
[03:21] <Roydaman2> or not
[03:21] <Roydaman2> avellieux knows more than me about this
[03:21] <shigins> cool beans
[03:21] <Roydaman2> just curious tho avellieux y not??
[03:22] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Why... wouldn't it cause any problems?
[03:22] <Roydaman2> the only one ive had so far is the booting issue but thats fixed
[03:22] <shigins> howd you fix it
[03:23] <Roydaman2> and i had  32 bit xp and 64 bit suse for a long time
[03:23] <aveilleux> shigins: I meant that it would cause no problems.
[03:23] <Roydaman2> changed the order my HDD's booted
[03:23] <aveilleux> shigins: Though there's no reason to not run 64-bit, since just about everything in Ubuntu is compiled for both arches
[03:24] <shigins> well I just happen to have a 32 bit ubuntu and 64 windows
[03:24] <shigins> so I am going to go with it
[03:24] <Roydaman2> well let me know how it works out either way
[03:24] <Roydaman2> please
[03:24] <Roydaman2> wonder if i can run 64 64??
[03:25] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: What?
[03:25] <shigins> if windows installs well
[03:25] <shigins> I already have ubuntu installed but not windows
[03:25] <Roydaman2> sorry was talkin to shigins
[03:26] <shigins> also I have an wifi card that I need to install drivers for can I do that for ubuntu using windows? Ubuntu wont read the CD and I cant hardwire my desktop to the internet
[03:27] <aveilleux> What architecture your OS is built for is not dependent on any other software running on your system.
[03:27] <aveilleux> shigins: Ubuntu and Windows don't use the same driver system.
[03:28] <aveilleux> shigins: Why can you not run a wire?
[03:28] <shigins> not in the same room
[03:28] <Roydaman2> aveilleux hes prolly borrowin the neighbors net
[03:28] <shigins> not really convient to
[03:28] <aveilleux> shigins: What wireless chipset/card is it?
[03:29] <shigins> well when I try to run the cds in ubuntu it just opens them up
[03:29] <shigins> netgear itsa usb
[03:29] <aveilleux> shigins: Windows driver installation will *not* work in Ubuntu.
[03:29] <aveilleux> shigins: What model number?
[03:29] <shigins> yeah
[03:29] <shigins> WNA3100
[03:29] <shigins> so its a catch 22 for getting myself set up
[03:30] <shigins> I need drivers I can only get from the internet
[03:30] <shigins> but I need the drivers to get on
[03:30] <Roydaman2> shigins is there another comp. in the room with the router??
[03:31] <shigins> yeah
[03:31] <shigins> tucked away in a corner of a cabinet
[03:31] <Roydaman2> u have a thumb drive??
[03:31] <shigins> several
[03:33] <aveilleux> shigins: Download this package and install it. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/broadcom-sta-common
[03:33] <shigins> If I used a gateway copy of xp you think that would be bad?
[03:34] <aveilleux> shigins: Those don't generally work on the hardware they didn't come with...
[03:34] <shigins> right then
[03:35] <Roydaman2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549190 i found that thread about it and they seem have to gotten it resolved so if aveilleux's solution doesnt work maybe try that
[03:36] <shigins> now where do I stick these package files? Sorry for being completely new
[03:37] <aveilleux> Roydaman2, shigins: I saw that, but since it's a Broadcom chipset that's supported using the STA driver, you'll be fine.
[03:37] <shigins> Ive looked up that thread too
[03:37] <aveilleux> shigins: Just double-click on it. GDebi will open up and install it for you.
[03:37] <shigins> so with this I wont need to install any drivers?
[03:37] <aveilleux> shigins: These ARE the drivers.
[03:38] <shigins> AHA
[03:38] <shigins> well then lets give it a whirl
[03:38] <aveilleux> shigins: In Linux, "drivers" are designed as add-ons to the kernel -- kernel modules
[03:41] <shigins> nope I got nothing
[03:41] <aveilleux> shigins: You may need a reboot.
[03:42] <aveilleux> shigins: Also, what network manager are you using?
[03:42] <shigins> my router?
[03:42] <aveilleux> shigins: No, the network management software. Right-click on it and hit "About"
[03:43] <aveilleux> shigins: Also, did the package install successfully?
[03:44] <shigins> well I checked the closed when installed
[03:44] <shigins> and what exactly am I right clicking? Sorry.
[03:44] <aveilleux> shigins: How do you know you have no wireless network options?
[03:45] <shigins> when I click the connection icon all it displays is disconnected wired networks
[03:45] <aveilleux> shigins: Yes, right-click on that.
[03:45] <aveilleux> shigins: That's not just a status icon. That's the actual network management software.
[03:46] <shigins> Then it appears I am using NetworkManager Applet 0.8
[03:48] <shigins> if that helps
[03:48] <aveilleux> shigins: Open Terminal for me and Pastebin ( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com ) the output of the command: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[03:53] <shigins> un momento
[03:55] <shigins> No such file or directory
[03:56] <aveilleux> shigins: That directory must exist. Did you type it properly?
[03:56] <shigins> cat /ect/network/interfaces
[03:56] <shigins> whoops
[03:56] <aveilleux> etc
[03:56] <aveilleux> not ect
[03:57] <shigins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548131/
[03:58] <aveilleux> shigins: Is that it?
[03:58] <shigins> yesir
[03:59] <aveilleux> Oh, whoops
[03:59] <aveilleux> wrong file
[03:59] <shigins> at least Im not the only one messin up
[03:59] <aveilleux> shigins: cat /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf  #Linux is case-sensitive, you MUST type the caps exactly as shown
[04:04] <shigins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548133/
[04:05] <aveilleux> shigins: See how "managed" under [ifupdown] is "false"?
[04:06] <aveilleux> shigins: Run: gksudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[04:06] <aveilleux> shigins: Change "false" to "true" (no quotes)
[04:06] <aveilleux> shigins: Reboot and let me know the results.
[04:09] <shigins> Do I type "Run:" in the terminal?
[04:09] <aveilleux> shigins: No.
[04:09] <aveilleux> shigins: I meant "run that command"
[04:12] <shigins> what result am I looking for? If its an awareness of the hardware then I dont tihnk I got iy
[04:12] <shigins> it*
[04:13] <aveilleux> shigins: Normally if Network Manager doesn't manage ifupdown (the connection) then wireless networks won't appear. Hm... Open up System > Administration > Additional Drivers and see what's listed there
[04:15] <shigins> I have a Hardware Drivers option which promts me with "Downloading package indexes failed, please check your network status. Most drivers will not be available." I also tried running the cat command again and its coming up with no file exists
[04:16] <shigins> ignore that last part
[04:16] <aveilleux> It can't run without Internet access? That's interesting.
[04:16] <shigins> quite interesting
[04:17] <shigins> so Im shit out of luck?
[04:17] <aveilleux> !language | shigins
[04:17] <ubot2> shigins: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[04:17] <aveilleux> shigins: You can say SOL, but not what it means ;-)
[04:17] <shigins> pardon
[04:17] <aveilleux> shigins: I don't think so, I think I'm overlooking something.
[04:18] <aveilleux> shigins: Pastebin the output of "lsusb" for me, please
[04:20] <shigins> well its recognizing the Netgear
[04:20] <shigins> one se
[04:20] <shigins> c
[04:23] <shigins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548135/
[04:29] <aveilleux> Hm.
[04:29] <shigins> hmm
[04:32] <shigins> nothin?
[04:33] <aveilleux> I'm stumped. I really am.
[04:34] <shigins> butternuts
[04:34] <aveilleux> The driver module (broadcom-sta) is installed, and the adapter you're using is a Broadcom chipset.
[04:35] <shigins> idk if the CD is its drivers or not
[04:36] <shigins> the instructions say to install the cd
[04:36] <shigins> then plug in the adapter and a screen will prompt me to install the drivers
[04:36] <aveilleux> That system doesn't work on Linux, because it's a Windows program.
[04:36] <aveilleux> Windows applications and programs *do not* run on Linux.
[04:37] <shigins> right but does the information on the CD hold something that is missing to get this running?
[04:39] <aveilleux> There's a system called ndiswrapper that can use the Windows driver files, but only the *.inf and *.sys files, not any executable that the driver CD may have. You can see if they're on there (look for the Win2k or XP ones)
[04:40] <shigins> on my computer?
[04:40] <aveilleux> you'll need to install these three packages (in order) to use ndiswrapper:
[04:40] <aveilleux> 1. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ndiswrapper-common
[04:40] <shigins> IVe tried putting in Wine but that has me stumped
[04:40] <aveilleux> 2. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[04:40] <aveilleux> 3. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ndisgtk
[04:40] <aveilleux> no, you can't use WINE to install drivers. That's not how it works.
[04:40] <shigins> ah
[04:40] <aveilleux> WINE is for programs, nothing else.
[04:41] <shigins> .exe's I thought though
[04:41] <shigins> nvm
[04:41] <aveilleux> Yes, programs.
[04:41] <aveilleux> Drivers aren't programs.
[04:44] <shigins> installed and rebooted
[04:45] <aveilleux> shigins: run gksudo ndisgtk # in Terminal
[04:46] <shigins> ok
[04:46] <shigins> shows no current installed drivers
[04:47] <aveilleux> Yes. Put in the CD and see if you can find the drivers on the disc. There should be a *.inf file in a directory that's labeled Windows 2000 or Windows XP
[04:48] <aveilleux> Oh, while I'm at it, you'll also need to uninstall the Broadcom drivers. sudo apt-get purge broadcom-sta-common
[04:48] <shigins> only .inf is autorun
[04:49] <shigins> in bin > driver folder is Setup.exe and TRANS.TBL
[04:49] <aveilleux> Ah.
[04:49] <aveilleux> shigins: You ran the installer in WINE?
[04:49] <shigins> no
[04:49] <shigins> I have no idea how to get wine working
[04:50] <aveilleux> You'll have to install the package, which has quite a few dependencies.
[04:50] <aveilleux> hmm...
[04:50] <aveilleux> You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to find the drivers for you. What model is the adapter again?
[04:50] <shigins> WNA3100
[04:51] <shigins> Ive poked around for linux drivers for it but didnt come up with anyithng
[04:51] <aveilleux> You mean WNDA3100?
[04:51] <shigins> Wireless-N 300 USB Adapter WNA3100
[04:51] <shigins> no D to be found
[04:51] <aveilleux> Ah
[04:52] <aveilleux> Weird, Google failed me the first time around
[04:58] <aveilleux> shigins: http://sublevel21.com/archives/targz/wna3100_drivers.tar.gz
[04:58] <aveilleux> whoops
[04:58] <aveilleux> shigins: http://sublevel21.com/archives/targz/wna3100_driver.tar.gz
[04:59] <shigins> now what do I do with this info
[05:00] <shigins> Wireless-N 300 USB Adapter WNA3100
[05:00] <aveilleux> ?
[05:01] <shigins> what do I do with what I just downloaded
[05:03] <aveilleux> Extract it (open it and drag the files out into another folder), then load the inf file into ndisgtk
[05:03] <shigins> all the files or just the inf
[05:03] <shigins> because I did just the inf and it said bad driver
[05:03] <shigins> invaild driver*
[05:03] <aveilleux> Try one of the sys files
[05:04] <shigins> not a valid .inf file
[05:04] <aveilleux> Are you running 64-bit Ubuntu?
[05:04] <shigins> 32
[05:05] <aveilleux> Try bcmwlhigh5.sys
[05:05] <shigins> thats the one I just did
[05:05] <aveilleux> bcmwlhigh5.inf didn't work?
[05:06] <shigins> says "Not a valid driver .inf file"
[05:06] <aveilleux> That makes no sense...
[05:07] <shigins> aye
[05:07] <shigins> oh wait
[05:07] <shigins> a second try with the .inf
[05:07] <shigins> and it seems to say "Hardware Present: Yes"
[05:08] <shigins> time to reboot?
[05:08] <aveilleux> Is ndis-gtk telling you to?
[05:09] <shigins> no I just hit install and its displaying the picture of two computers with that text under it
[05:10] <aveilleux> Oh
[05:10] <shigins> I do have a strange terminal here though
[05:10] <aveilleux> do this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:11] <aveilleux> see if your network manager can pick up the connections now
[05:11] <shigins> it asks me for my password
[05:11] <shigins> but wont let me type it
[05:11] <aveilleux> Yes
[05:11] <aveilleux> sudo doesn't echo the password to the screen as asterisks
[05:12] <aveilleux> hit Ctrl+C, then try again. Just make sure to be accurate with your keystrokes.
[05:12] <aveilleux> Or, I suppose you could use gksudo /etc/init.d/networking restart #if you're more comfortable with the asterisks
[05:12] <shigins> WARNING: ifup -a is disabled in favour of NetowrkManager.
[05:13] <aveilleux> Yes, that's fine
[05:13] <shigins>      Set ifdown:managed=false in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[05:13] <shigins> ok
[05:13] <shigins> Im going to reboot for good measure I guess
[05:13] <aveilleux> May as well
[05:15] <shigins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548141/
[05:15] <shigins> that was in a terminal
[05:15] <shigins> duno if its of value
[05:16] <aveilleux> That's fine.
[05:16] <aveilleux> Quit out of ndisgtk, then reboot
[05:17] <shigins> nothing seems to be going on
[05:17] <aveilleux> By the way, the hashes (#) are only there when I need to type after a command, to explain it. It's the "comment" syntax of Terminal (ie. anything after a # in Terminal won't even be looked at)
[05:17] <aveilleux> You don't need to put the hashes in
[05:18] <aveilleux> You shouldn't still have that log in the Terminal if you've rebooted... ndisgtk is only for installation and uninstallation of wireless drivers.
[05:18] <aveilleux> Use the connection manager next to the clock and see if it's picking up the wireless networks.
[05:18] <shigins> nope
[05:18] <shigins> same two wried networks
[05:19] <aveilleux> Do this: echo -e "blacklist bcm43xx\nblacklist b43\nblacklist b43legacy\nblacklist ssb" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:19] <aveilleux> It's a lot to type, but make sure it's correct
[05:19] <aveilleux> er
[05:19] <aveilleux> echo -e "blacklist bcm43xx\nblacklist b43\nblacklist b43legacy\nblacklist ssb" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[05:21] <shigins> done
[05:22] <aveilleux> Now reboot, since these are only blacklisted at boot time
[05:23] <shigins> nada
[05:23] <shigins> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9855512&postcount=12
[05:23] <shigins> does this have any use?
[05:24] <aveilleux> Hm.
[05:24] <aveilleux> Run ndiswrapper -l for me in Terminal
[05:25] <shigins> ndiswrapper -l
[05:25] <shigins> oops wrong keyboard
[05:25] <shigins> its getting late
[05:25] <shigins> driver installed
[05:25] <shigins> device present
[05:26] <shigins> do I need to edit the wireles connection?
[05:27] <aveilleux> Since network-manager-gnome is handling it, it should show up there... hm
[05:27] <aveilleux> See, I don't use network-manager-gnome anymore, I use wicd, so I can't really try anything myself
[05:28] <shigins> darn
[05:28] <shigins> this laptop is about to kill over soon anyway
[05:28] <aveilleux> :(
[05:28] <shigins> can I manually put in the router information?
[05:28] <shigins> if it says the driver and device are there shouldnt it work
[05:29] <shigins> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9837221&postcount=10
[05:29] <aveilleux> Interesting.
[05:30] <shigins> oh did I still need to uninstall the broadcom?
[05:30] <shigins> because Im not sure if it did
[05:32] <aveilleux> shigins: Did you run gksudo apt-get remove broadcom-sta-common #?
[05:32] <shigins> I did but it yielded no response
[05:32] <shigins> nvm
[05:33] <shigins> last time it was purge not remove
[05:33] <shigins> one more restart and I am shooting upstairs to get some router info I hope
[05:33] <aveilleux> Well,
[05:34] <aveilleux> I just modified the source code, so you can do what the forum post says now
[05:34] <shigins> I have no idea what it is aasking me to do
[05:34] <aveilleux> I can walk you through it
[05:35] <aveilleux> download http://sublevel21.com/archives/targz/ndiswrapper-1.56.tar.gz and extract it to a folder, let's say "ndis", in your Home folder.
[05:35] <aveilleux> er, scratch that
[05:36] <aveilleux> just extract it to your home directory
[05:36] <aveilleux> there's already a folder inside that
[05:36] <aveilleux> ....shoot, you need gcc installed, don't you
[05:37] <shigins> dont I?
[05:37] <aveilleux> I don't think it comes by default
[05:37] <aveilleux> You can try it though
[05:39] <shigins> whats next
[05:41] <aveilleux> You've downloaded it and extracted it?
[05:42] <shigins> yeah
[05:42] <shigins> to the home folder
[05:42] <aveilleux> In Terminal type cd ~/ndiswrapper-1.56
[05:42] <aveilleux> then make
[05:44] <shigins> youve got me in suspense
[05:45] <aveilleux> is it running?
[05:45] <aveilleux> No no, the command is "make"
[05:47] <shigins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548146/
[05:49] <aveilleux> Okay
[05:49] <aveilleux> now gksudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-common
[05:49] <aveilleux> Paste the output of that as well
[05:50] <shigins> on a side note I am accessing my router on ie and under wireless settings there is a wireless card access list. in order to add a card it asks for the device name and mac address. is this relevent?
[05:51] <aveilleux> ....it... what?
[05:51] <shigins> I guess not haha
[05:52] <aveilleux> Does the router not allow connections without being configured?
[05:52] <shigins> not to my knowledge
[05:52] <aveilleux> Unusual.
[05:52] <shigins> it never as before but I might be able to manually enter it
[05:56] <shigins> I punched it in
[05:56] <shigins> and it asked me if I wanted to continue [Y/n]? and I typed Y after but nothing happened
[05:59] <aveilleux> Hit enter
[06:00] <shigins> well yes
[06:00] <shigins> that was a given
[06:08] <shigins> this is a real headbanger
[06:08] <shigins> probably best to quit for the night
[06:08] <aveilleux> Yeah, I don't know
[06:08] <aveilleux> hit ctrl+c
[06:09] <shigins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548146/
[06:09] <aveilleux> did the apt-get remove command work?
[06:10] <shigins> I dont think so
[06:10] <aveilleux> Open Synaptic (System > Administration > Synaptic...)
[06:10] <shigins> I entered it serveral times and nothing happened after answering the continue prompt
[06:11] <shigins> yes
[06:12] <aveilleux> enter "ndiswrapper" into the quick search bar
[06:13] <shigins> mark for complete removal?
[06:15] <aveilleux> the package ndiswrapper-common, its box is filled in?
[06:15] <shigins> the only package that showed up was ndisgtk
[06:18] <shigins> and the box is filled in for it
[06:19] <aveilleux> that's... very unusual
[06:19] <aveilleux> you know what, I'm not going to worry about it.
[06:19] <shigins> I think its just me
[06:19] <aveilleux> go back to Terminal.
[06:19] <shigins> yea
[06:19] <aveilleux> You know what it is! Doy.
[06:20] <shigins> I surely wish I did
[06:20] <aveilleux> You don't have an Internet connection; the uninstall went properly so there's no reference left on the system.
[06:20] <aveilleux> I meant like... "Huh, you know what it is? It's..."
[06:20] <aveilleux> ANYWAY.
[06:20] <aveilleux> Back to Terminal.
[06:20] <shigins> ok
[06:21] <aveilleux> you're still in the directory, correct?
[06:21] <shigins> yeah
[06:21] <aveilleux> Now run sudo make install
[06:22] <aveilleux> when it asks for your password, remember that it's not echoed back as asterisks
[06:22] <bioterror> aveilleux, you should courage people to use checkinstall ;)
[06:22] <bioterror> encourage
[06:22] <aveilleux> to use whatnow
[06:22] <shigins> done
[06:22] <aveilleux> Oh.
[06:22] <aveilleux> Right.
[06:22] <aveilleux> run sudo checkinstall
[06:23] <aveilleux> It won't conflict with the make command before.
[06:24] <shigins> command not found
[06:24] <shigins> double cheked spelling
[06:24] <aveilleux> checkinstall doesn't come in Ubuntu by default? Interesting.
[06:24] <aveilleux> Oh well. Not important now.
[06:25] <aveilleux> Reboot and see what happens.
[06:26] <shigins> so all i had to do was type sudo make install ?
[06:26] <aveilleux> make then sudo make install
[06:26] <aveilleux> sometimes programs will need a ./configure as well, but ndiswrapper doesn't
[06:28] <shigins> when I do the first make it says no target specified
[06:29] <aveilleux> You shouldn't need to do it again.
[06:29] <aveilleux> You already did it once.
[06:29] <shigins> but i did it once and entered the pw
[06:29] <shigins> ok rebooted then
[06:30] <shigins> nothing new
[06:31] <aveilleux> In Terminal type cd ~/ndiswrapper-1.56  #again
[06:31] <shigins> ok
[06:31] <shigins> then what
[06:31] <aveilleux> run sudo make uninstall
[06:32] <shigins> done
[06:33] <aveilleux> now make clean
[06:33] <shigins> donw
[06:33] <shigins> done
[06:34] <aveilleux> We're basically trying again, since I'm not sure it worked the first time
[06:34] <aveilleux> run make
[06:34] <shigins> nhn
[06:34] <shigins> mhm
[06:36] <shigins> now what
[06:38] <aveilleux> now try sudo make install
[06:38] <shigins> done
[06:40] <aveilleux> type gksudo ndisgtk
[06:41] <shigins> yup still says hardware is present
[06:41] <shigins> bcmwihigh5
[06:41] <aveilleux> Hm.
[06:43] <aveilleux> This should be working, so i really don't know
[06:44] <shigins> its ok
[06:44] <shigins> I think Ill just give it another shot in the morning
[06:44] <shigins> you have been extremely helpful I am greatful
[06:44] <aveilleux> I need sleep as well
[06:44] <aveilleux> I'm sorry I couldn't solve your problem
[06:45] <shigins> no worries
[06:45] <shigins> goodnight
[07:07] <jon8> Anyone know of some documenatation on getting my SD Card Reader to be mounted --- in Terminal. I do not use the GUI.
[07:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> Joeb454, you have the Card mounted?
[07:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> aww jon8*
[07:48] <yofel> jon8: usually: plug it in, check in the output of 'dmesg' what device name it got, then 'sudo mount <device name> <mount point>' where device name is /dev/sdb1 and mount point /mnt for example
[07:49] <yofel> and don't forget to umount it later (not a typo)
[09:27] <ubuntu_newbie> hi
[09:27] <ubuntu_newbie> hi
[09:27] <head_victim> Gday ubuntu_newbie how are you
[09:28] <ubuntu_newbie> any one can tell me how to install .exe files on ubuntu
[09:28] <head_victim> !wine
[09:28] <ubot2> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu
[09:29] <head_victim> ubuntu_newbie: you can't install .exe files directly but WINE can help you get a lot of programs running.
[09:29] <ubuntu_newbie> thanx
[09:30] <head_victim> You're welcome
[09:39] <ubuntu_newbie> i have donwloaded an .exe file and it is in /home/lm but when i try to do cd /home/lm i am not able to get into the folder
[09:57] <head_victim> Sorry I haven't used wine in years, if you hang around someone else might come along. If you want to try #ubuntu or #winehq they might be able to help
[09:58] <head_victim> 3 seconds too late.
[12:14] <bilegt> hello
[12:15] <Puck`> hi bilegt
[12:16] <bilegt> is it ok for asking questions?
[12:16] <Puck`> of course bilegt (:
[12:16] <bilegt> is there anybody using older versions of ubuntu such as 8.10 ?
[12:19] <Puck`> 10.10 here
[12:19] <Puck`> (:
[12:20] <bilegt> So can I install latest version of apache on ubuntu 8.10 :) Cuz new versions of ubuntu are running quite slow on my old aged pc
[12:20] <bioterror> bilegt, try lubuntu
[12:20] <bioterror> bilegt, http://www.lubuntu.net/
[12:22] <Puck`> you would get the same version of apache i believe, there hasn't any new version come out yet
[12:22] <bilegt> thank dude, but i've already tries lxde, it's running as fast as xfce. Xfce is running quite slow when i installed apache
[16:04] <ggeorgy> is possible to connet my phone to internet via usb cable?
[16:05] <ggeorgy>  :)
[16:06] <ggeorgy> ??????????????????????????????????????????
[16:07] <nUboon2Age> oh, i think you mean to 'tether' a mobile phone via USB cable ggeorgy
[16:08] <ggeorgy> to acces internet on phone via usb
[16:09] <nUboon2Age> on some mobile phones it can be done.  Also some can work via bluetooth connection. and some can actually transmit their own mobile 'hotspot' (such as the Google NexusOne can).
[16:09] <ggeorgy> no, i have a simple phone
[16:10] <nUboon2Age> what kind ggeorgy?
[16:10] <ggeorgy> samsung s5230
[16:12] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: here's the wikipedia article i'm looking at about the Samsun s5230
[16:15] <nUboon2Age> okay that seems odd to me.  it says it has a WAP browser, but no 3G and no Wifi.  How is one supposed to use the web browsing capabilities??? ggeorgy
[16:16] <ggeorgy> so ,is not possible ?
[16:18] <ggeorgy> because has not a browser?
[16:18] <aveilleux> No
[16:18] <aveilleux> There's a network called EV-DO
[16:21] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: it DOES have a WAP browser.  i'm just trying to understand how they expect you to connect to web, but aveilleux says there's a special network called EV-DO for internet connection.
[16:22] <nUboon2Age> maybe its considered non 3G compatible, but still internet connectable
[16:23] <ggeorgy> i want to connect pc network to phone but via usb not 3g
[16:23] <aveilleux> ggeorgy: What you're saying, I don't think can be done
[16:24] <aveilleux> I've never heard of connecting to the Internet, with a phone, through a computer
[16:24] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: i see there is a set of Samsung utilities that seem to include a "USB Port Driver"
[16:26] <ggeorgy> i have seen on web it work on nokia with pc suite
[16:26] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: it would be worthwhile to check out those utilities and find out what they do.  maybe its possible.
[16:27] <aveilleux> ggeorgy: I think you're thinking of "tethering", which is using the phone as a modem for the computer.
[16:27] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: i have to correct myself.  earlier i said 'tethering', but that is kind of the opposite of what you're talking about.
[16:27] <ggeorgy> what utilites?
[16:28] <ggeorgy> i cant see the link -im using opera
[16:28] <ggeorgy> can you paste the link please?
[16:29] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: i just followed the link and apparently it is not what i thought it was, so scratch that.
[16:30] <ggeorgy> ok
[16:30] <nUboon2Age> How about does Samsung have a support forum? ggeorgy
[16:30] <ggeorgy> no
[16:30] <nUboon2Age> because really this question centers on the capabilities of the Samsung phone, not the computer. ggeorgy
[16:31] <ggeorgy> i know ,
[16:31] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: also which carrier is it?
[16:32] <ggeorgy> i have a pc suite for this phone but for windows
[16:33] <ggeorgy> gprs/edge
[16:33] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: which phone carrier is the phone running on?
[16:33] <ggeorgy> os?
[16:34] <aveilleux> ggeorgy: Carrier, like Verizon, ATT, Nextel
[16:34] <ggeorgy> oeange
[16:34] <ggeorgy> orange
[16:36] <nUboon2Age> oh, i have a limitation based on the fact i'm accessing the web from the U.S. -- it keeps pushing me to the Samsung U.S. web site, so i can't see if there is Samsung support for Orange phones, but i think the answer is yes there is. ggeorgy
[16:36] <nUboon2Age> yes to support forums and such ggeorgy
[16:37] <nUboon2Age> also you could try the orange web site and see if they have support
[16:38] <nUboon2Age> ha, i managed to get to the Samsung UK site.  are you in the U.K. ggeorgy?
[16:39] <ggeorgy> noooo
[16:40] <nUboon2Age> where are you ggeorgy?
[16:40] <nUboon2Age> i know Orange is U.K. based
[16:41] <nUboon2Age> or am i mistaken?
[16:41] <nUboon2Age> maybe its based in Holland?
[16:42] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: here's the URL for the S5230 manual: http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=23010300&prd_mdl_cd=GT-S5230BDAXEN&prd_mdl_name=GT-S5230
[16:43] <ggeorgy> pk thanks
[16:43] <Yorvyk> nUboon2Age, France
[16:46] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy: on page 33 the manual mentions printing by USB or by Bluetooth.
[16:47] <nUboon2Age> looks like we lost ggeorgy
[16:48] <nUboon2Age> that was an interesting question.  seems to me it should theoretically be possible, but i'd never heard of it before.
[16:48] <nUboon2Age> ty Yorvyk
[16:52] <nUboon2Age> the manual doesn't go into much depth on internet connections, just mentions web browsing on page 33.
[16:52] <Yorvyk> nUboon2Age, OK. I had an old Siemens phone that could 'connect to the internet'.  It was a bit like the original AOL, in that you could only see the providers part of the net.
[16:53] <nUboon2Age> yeah, i had a metro pcs and a Tmobile phone like that.
[16:54] <Yorvyk> It was a pain to use.
[16:56] <nUboon2Age> ggeorgy mentioned having a PC suite for Window$ for the phone, but not whether that could do what he was talking about.  if so then definitely (at least theoretically but might require software being developed) it should be possible.
[16:56] <nUboon2Age> Yorvyk: yes that was my experience too.  and very slow.
[16:57] <nUboon2Age> this Samsung phone that ggeorgy had is actually semi-impressive.  it is MidP Java enabled!!!
[16:57] <nUboon2Age> if it just had 3G
[16:58] <nUboon2Age> i want an Android phone with Java MidP
[16:58] <nUboon2Age> for all i know all the Android phones are Java MidP enabled.
[16:59] <nUboon2Age> i know Android makes use of Java
[17:00] <Yorvyk> Interesting, it can't be used for Podcasting?
[17:02] <nUboon2Age> Yorvyk: sorry i don't understand your question
[17:02] <nUboon2Age> i used to work at Sun on MIDP
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> i gave up on the US carriers ever getting around to supporting MIDP.  i guess probably some do now, but this is like 10 years later!!!
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> literally 10 years later
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> the U.S. is so backwards.
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> it frustrates me to no end
[17:04] <aveilleux> Doesn't Verizon support it on its Android phones?
[17:04] <nUboon2Age> also Europe adopted JavaTV (which i also worked on) long ago and still M.I.A. in U.S.
[17:04] <nUboon2Age> aveilleux: maybe, i'll have to check.  thanks for the tip.
[17:05] <nUboon2Age> Merry day 4 of Xmas everyone! ;-)
[17:13] <Yorvyk> nUboon2Age, Sorry the ? shouldn't have been there.  I was looking at the specs and under 'Fun & Entertainment' it says Podcasting - No
[17:15] <BR> hello all
[17:36] <nUboon2Age> Yorvyk: puzzling i wonder what that means.  maybe it doesn't record audio(?)
[17:38] <aveilleux> nUboon2Age: I think that means it can't stream audio.
[18:14] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[18:15] <UndiFineD> hey blue eye
[18:16] <aveilleux> "Blue eye"?
[18:17] <hobgoblin> forum avatar at times ...
[18:17] <aveilleux> ah.
[18:17] <Silver_Fox_> Eye see you...
[18:17] <Silver_Fox_> Current one isn't though UndiFineD
[18:17] <Silver_Fox_> >:)
[18:18] <hobgoblin> some old thing that needs changing
[18:18] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:18] <Silver_Fox_> Yar
[18:19] <UndiFineD> icq, fail!
[18:23] <UndiFineD> Are there some lesson plans for kids using edubuntu ? I would love to teach our kids about turtle, as that is how I started some 27 years ago, but I have no idea how it works anymore
[18:26] <aveilleux> UndiFineD: What is Turtle?
[18:27] <UndiFineD> it is a simple thing to explain programming concept, the turle can draw patterns based on your input functions
[18:29] <aveilleux> Interesting
[18:30] <UndiFineD> we have these little mah critters, turtle would be a playground for them
[18:30] <UndiFineD> s/mah/math/
[18:32] <UndiFineD> they are math gifted, and it is a challenge to keep their interest peeked
[18:33] <Roydaman2> ok i have a new problem
[18:34] <Roydaman2> all my audio/video files play in hyperspeed
[18:34] <Roydaman2> like theyre stuck in fast foreward
[18:34] <Roydaman2> any body have a clue as to whats goin on??
[18:34] <aveilleux> UndiFineD: s/peeked/piqued
[18:34] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: What player?
[18:35] <UndiFineD> aveilleux, I grew up with basic, used to peek and poke
[18:35] <UndiFineD> :P
[18:35] <Roydaman2> banshee, audacious, audacity, gnome
[18:36] <Roydaman2> o and rythmbox
[18:36] <aveilleux> Interesting.
[18:37] <Roydaman2> thats was i was thinking to and it doesnt matter if i go to you tube they play fast as well
[18:38] <Roydaman2> or break.com
[18:38] <Roydaman2> its like any file is sped up 5x faster than what it should be
[18:38] <reaper> when I login window pop up saying enter password for default keyring when I enter password says wrong password and the only password I have is the password to login
[18:39] <aveilleux> reaper: Have you ever changed your password?
[18:39] <reaper> no
[18:40] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: It appears to be a bug in the Gstreamer framework ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3193031&postcount=7 )
[18:41] <Roydaman2> ok guess ill try that
[18:42] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: You can try using Xine (sudo apt-get install xine) then tell Rhythmbox to use Xine instead of Gstreamer.
[18:42] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Totem has a Xine version as well (totem-xine)
[18:43] <reaper> is their a way I can check to see what the Default password is for that keyring
[18:44] <fatharrahman> hello
[18:44] <Roydaman2> ok thats installed lets give it a try
[18:47] <Roydaman2> nope still in fast forward
[18:47] <fatharrahman> I installed Ubuntu 10.10 alongside windows 7 in a 3Gib hp with bootable USB every thing was good but now I tried to enter windows restart to see a black screen with error :grub rescue> .      what should I do pleas
[18:48] <head_victim> !grub2 | fatharrahman
[18:48] <ubot2> fatharrahman: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:48] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Ubuntu is installed on the hard drive?
[18:48]  * stlsaint hates lxterminal
[18:48] <fatharrahman> yes
[18:49] <head_victim> fatharrahman: I have to head off but that should get you started. Or aveilleux appears to be able to help :)
[18:49] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Actually the guide I'm going to point you to is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[18:50] <fatharrahman> I can not enter to neither Ubuntu nor windows
[18:50] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: You are using GRUB2, not GRUB Legacy. That will clear up the first section.
[18:50] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: You still have the Live USB, yes?
[18:50] <fatharrahman> yes
[18:50] <fatharrahman> I still have live usb
[18:51] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Read the page I just linked. Use the Live USB to restore GRUB.
[18:51] <fatharrahman> ok
[18:51] <fatharrahman> but
[18:51] <fatharrahman> I want to mention that
[18:51] <Roydaman2> totem-xine
[18:51] <fatharrahman> I didn't make swap does that have an effect?
[18:52] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: A small one, but not in this case/
[18:52] <fatharrahman> ok
[18:52] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: It's unrelated to this problem right now.
[18:52] <fatharrahman> thank you I'll head the guideline and feed you bach :)
[18:52] <fatharrahman> back*
[18:53] <aveilleux> I'll take feedbach
[18:54] <fatharrahman> but which grub does I have aveilleux?
 fatharrahman: You are using GRUB2, not GRUB Legacy. That will clear up the first section
[18:55] <fatharrahman> ok
[19:01] <Roydaman2> ok so how do i get rhythmbox to use  xine instead of Gstreamer
[19:03] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Apparently it's not an option anymore... Darn... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7476024&postcount=2
[19:03] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: If you want to try something similar, you can use AmaroK (which is the KDE equivalent of Rhythmbox and uses Xine by default)
[19:05] <prat2602> hi, i wanted to have ubuntu startup from my flash drive but according to the website i need a startup disk creator, http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download. I do not seem to have this in administration and im using 8.04. Any ideas on what i can do?
[19:05] <Roydaman2> ok ill try that just "sudo apt-get install amarok" right??
[19:06] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Yes.
[19:06] <Roydaman2> ok i think im getting used to how this works way faster than XP also
[19:07] <aveilleux> prat2602: Do you mean make a LiveUSB (as in, the LiveCD on a USB stick) or actually install the full system to USB?
[19:08] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Yeah, repositories are pretty handy
[19:08] <prat2602> make a live usb
[19:09] <aveilleux> prat2602: You can just use dd and copy the ISO onto the drive
[19:10] <aveilleux> prat2602: By that I mean, don't just copy the ISO file onto the drive. You need to do a bit-by-bit copy, or use a program like UNetBootIn (which I've never really been fond of)
[19:11] <beachbuddah> gm room - greetings from snowy NYC
[19:12] <prat2602> thanks aveilleux, il look into it
[19:14] <Roydaman2> ok aveilleux hahaha amarok went crazy and crashed hahaha
[19:14] <aveilleux> Yikes
[19:14] <aveilleux> I'm sorry but I'll be back shortly
[19:27] <doez> How can I go back and forth with my mouse4 and mouse5 buttons in i.e the file manager?
[19:44] <stlsaint> doez: im not sure what you mean
[19:44] <doez> stlsaint: In windows I could go back and forth in folders with my 2 extra buttons on the mouse. Now I can't. Am I missing a driver or something?
[19:45] <stlsaint> doez: have you checked the mouse settings
[19:48] <doez> stlsaint: I have, they didn't offer me those settings.
[19:57] <aveilleux> doez: try installing gpointing-device-settings and running it from System > Preferences > Pointing Devices
[19:57] <aveilleux> doez: You'll get some more options based on your mouse hardware
[20:05] <doez> aveilleux: Thanks, ill give that a try,
[20:15] <doez> aveilleux: It did not work. It only modified the scrollbutton. I'm talking about those buttons on the side, the small ones.
[20:16] <aveilleux> doez: Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know if Nautilus (file manager) supports back and forward as mouse cues -- I know Epiphany (which uses the same settings as Nautilus) does not.
[20:16] <aveilleux> doez: Epiphany is a web browser, by the way. Just to clear that up.
[20:17] <doez> aveilleux: Yea, it's a Nautlius problem, scrolling between history in firefox is done without a problem.
[20:17] <aveilleux> doez: Sorry I can't be of more assistance.
[20:17] <doez> aveilleux: I thank you for your effort :)
[20:22] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, hey man
[20:24] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, I have to leave shortly I was helping a user notryan on #ubuntu they had a W7 missing the bcd boot, could you watch for them to come back on here is there bootscript.http://pastebin.com/ABFE4pku
[20:26] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: ping
[20:35] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[20:36] <kristian-aalborg> could having the same IRQ assigned to two devices be a problem?
[20:36] <bioterror> could
[20:36] <bioterror> are you having that kind of situation
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> hi bioterror
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> my spdif sound refuses to work
[20:38] <kristian-aalborg> I see that I have the same irq for my video card (with unused hdmi sound) and sound card
[20:38] <kristian-aalborg> you can have a look...
[20:38] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/mWriJigi
[20:39] <kristian-aalborg> I have tried a variety of distros and settings... it was working before
[20:39] <kristian-aalborg> I'm thinking the kernel may have been fixed to recognise a problem it was oblivious to before, perhaps
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> brb, I'l try to reboot w/ noapic
[20:53] <jdeslaur> how can i write a script that I can execute that will change the ip address and other details for eth0?
[20:55] <jdeslaur> like changing the ip from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> with the appropriate broadcasts and what not
[20:56] <bioterror> you can make alias
[20:56] <bioterror> nano .bashrc or what ever you're using
[20:57] <bioterror> alias something='ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>'
[21:03] <jdeslaur> thanks
[21:04] <bioterror> probably sudo is needed
[21:05] <bioterror> Tue23:05 <bioterror> one thing is make files to /usr/local/bin
[21:05] <bioterror> Tue23:05 <bioterror> +to
[21:38] <flam`> If I have a CSR already generated and running properly for SSL on one domain, and I want SSL on another domain, can I resuse the same CSR?
[22:08] <bioterror> hi szczur
[22:08] <szczur> hi bioterror
[22:10] <fatharrahman> hello
[22:12] <fatharrahman> I am fixing grub2 with guide from documentation  but I can not mount ls /media/0d104aff-ec8c-44c8-b811-92b993823444/boot what should I do or how to unmount it and try another partition??
[22:15] <fatharrahman> grub-probe error
[22:15] <bioterror> it's /dev/something
[22:16] <fatharrahman> hi
[22:17] <fatharrahman> the /dev is not mounting
[22:18] <fatharrahman> according to the guide I should unmount this and try another partition but how?
[22:20] <fatharrahman> on sudo update-grub2 there is also the same error
[22:21] <bioterror> how did you mess your grub?
[22:21] <fatharrahman> can not find device for /
[22:21] <fatharrahman> oh OK
[22:21] <fatharrahman> I'll tell you
[22:23] <fatharrahman> I installed 10.10 alongside windows7 from live usb then after copleted everything I rebooted and went into windows wich opened a recovery but I escaped windows rcovery and there was grub error
[22:23] <fatharrahman> grub rescue
[22:24] <fatharrahman> am now opening it through live usb
[22:25] <fatharrahman> mount | tail -1, is good
[22:25] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html
[22:25] <fatharrahman> OK
[22:27] <fatharrahman> but the windows was already installed and I shrieked  a partition for Ubuntu should I read this blog then??
[22:51] <fatharrahman> bioterror: thank you, grub back :)
[22:52] <bioterror> np
[22:52] <bioterror> nice to have positive feedback ;)
[22:55] <fatharrahman> I found this windows with 3 partitions so I couldn't  create swap should I remove either recovery partition or system partition?
[22:55] <bioterror> how much ram you've got?
[22:56] <fatharrahman> 3 gb ram
[22:59] <Yorvyk> fatharrahman, Is a useful read on swap https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[22:59] <fatharrahman> OK
[23:00] <Yorvyk> fatharrahman, with 3 GiB you shouldn't  need swap but you can create a swap file instead of a partition
[23:01] <fatharrahman> aha
[23:03] <fatharrahman> Thank you Yorvyk
[23:07] <Yorvyk> fatharrahman, np.
[23:57] <Dexikcz> hello
[23:57] <Dexikcz> Please I need some little help :(
[23:58] <Dexikcz> I have installed Zorin OS4, after complete instalation I made update...
[23:58] <Dexikcz> Than rebooted and when in boot menu selected linux I ended up in console... DOnt know how to leave it/how to run regular OS :( Some1 know what can I do?
[23:58] <Dexikcz> (Im new to linux)


[00:01] <cjwatson> slangasek,sbeattie: BTW, I fixed bug 301430 just now in ubiquity, partly because otherwise d-i and ubiquity are out of sync, but I have a nagging worry that this may expose some late ipv6/localhost problems
[00:01] <cjwatson> if you spot anything that looks like it might be that, let me know ...
[00:01] <cjwatson> I'm also conscious that there may not be time to fix netbase for upgrades
[00:47] <kirkland> mvo: hiya, are you actually around?  :-)
[02:37] <ezyang> Hello all; I noticed that xvm-3.3 has three bugs complaining about missing docs. Anything I can do to help fix this?
[02:47] <maxb> Is it automatically a bug to clobber configuration files in /etc/, or are there any exceptions?
[02:49] <dtchen> TheMuso: / pgraner: what do you think of muting "PC Beep" unconditionally?
[02:59] <maxb> kees: That shadow upload.... the arguments to grep are the wrong way around in the the preinst :-)
[03:07] <ezyang> Where is the source code repository for xen-3.3?
[03:08] <dtchen> ezyang: meaning Ubuntu or upstream?
[03:09] <ezyang> Ubuntu.
[03:09] <ezyang> I'm on the launchpad page but there's no code tab.
[03:10] <maxb> Are there Vcs-* keys in the control file?
[03:10] <ezyang> No.
[03:10] <dtchen> ezyang: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/x/xen-3.3/jaunty/files
[03:11] <ezyang> Thanks! How would I find that page in the future?
[03:12] <dtchen> ezyang: it's organised alphabetically by source package
[03:13] <ezyang> Ok
[03:17] <ezyang> dtchen: Would you happen to know why xen-utils-3.3 doesn't have docs anymore?
[03:18] <dtchen> ezyang: have you installed xen-docs-3.3?
[03:18] <ezyang> xen-docs-3.3 is an empty package
[03:19] <ezyang> xen-utils-3.2 used to be the package with the docs
[03:25] <dtchen> ezyang: hmm, probably not being built at all. i don't see doxygen in the build-dependencies at least. you'll probably want to ask zul; he's likely far more familiar with the source package than i am.
[03:27] <ezyang> I suspect what happened is that the docs where removed from xen-utils-3.2 to be placed in xen-docs, but then that never happened.
[03:38] <ezyang> Why do the bzr branches seem not to be connected to each other?
[03:40] <ezyang> As in, I can't actually tell when the change was introduced without laboriously stepping through each branch
[03:45] <dtchen> ezyang: perhaps you'll find https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.3 more efficient
[03:55] <ezyang> arrgh
[03:55] <ezyang> I'm used to being able to point at a file, and see all of its history
[03:56] <ezyang> This is very different
[04:00] <ezyang> So, if I understand correctly, package-import doesn't actually have development done on it?
[04:24]  * calc is prepping new OOo upload and it appears the server hosting the upstream OOo translations is dead :\
[05:35] <slangasek> cjwatson: hmm. :/ ok, will keep a watch out
[05:46] <bryce_> wiki.ubuntu.com seems DOA
[06:38] <kees> maxb: yeah, fix building now.  that's what I get for a friday night upload.
[07:27] <Hobbsee> hrm.  usb sticks really don't mount in jaunty anymore.
[07:37] <sbeattie> Hobbsee: hrm, really? works here.
[07:39] <sbeattie> ... though my usb fs with a space in the label gets it mapped to _ on the mount; that might be new behavior.
[08:05] <slangasek> tjaalton: how did you reach the conclusion that bugs 351756 and 352581 are dupes of 354688?  The backtraces are entirely different.
[08:05] <slangasek> for that matter, 351756 and 352581 both refer to UXA, which I'm *not* using...
[08:05] <tjaalton> slangasek: same error message
[08:06] <tjaalton> well, they were duped together
[08:06] <slangasek> which error message is the same?
[08:07] <tjaalton> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/256410/IMG_0479.JPG
[08:07] <slangasek> but that's not the cause of the crash
[08:07] <slangasek> I only noticed DRI wasn't active after I started investigating the crash...
[08:08] <tjaalton> hrm ok
[08:08] <slangasek> shall I undupe?
[08:08] <tjaalton> sure
[09:15] <mdke> slangasek: got a sec?
[09:45] <mdke> slangasek: never mind, sorted I think
[12:13] <c0p3rn1c> who is responsible for packaging mplayer ?
[12:15] <c0p3rn1c> n/m
[12:26] <c0p3rn1c> Kmos: thx, yeah I figured that out by myself after asking the question :-)
[12:35] <mnemo> c0p3rn1c: ubuntu doesnt have specific persons responsible for each package... but there might be someone who usually ends up packing it.... see "aptitude changelog mplayer"
[12:38] <c0p3rn1c> mnemo: I've send the whole MOTU media team a message about it
[12:38] <mnemo> yeah that's probably the best way
[12:40] <c0p3rn1c> mnemo: thx anyways, maybe I'll use that command in the future, still kinda new to all of this(bin using ubuntu for about 6 months)
[12:43] <mnemo> :)
[12:44] <c0p3rn1c> I'm slowly trying to help ubuntu to improve more and more, currently I'm only reporting bugs and trying to get new technology to the main stream, btw where would best I start to learn programming in the linux environment, 10 years ago I have bin coding visual c++ but since then I only have bin programming java/perl/vb.net
[12:45] <mnemo> im sort of in the same position.. but I've been using ubuntu since 2007
[12:46] <mnemo> one thing I learned is that its good for focus on a few things and do them really well
[12:46] <mnemo> i filed a lot of random bugs in the beginning and didnt follow up much on them
[12:47] <mnemo> but its better to learn deeply and some programs so you can file really good bug reports for those packages
[12:47] <c0p3rn1c> yeah, I don't have that much time anyways, I would love to be an open source programmer though but I don't know if there are any well payed jobs for it
[12:48] <c0p3rn1c> in the US yes, but not in the EU
[12:49] <mnemo> well nokia does a lot of gnome stuff for maemo, qt software in oslo, fluendo in spain, and google will let you work on open source as a 20% project
[12:49] <mnemo> openisimus in germany, codethink and collabora in the UK
[12:49] <c0p3rn1c> mnemo: yeah but I'm scared to work for google lol
[12:50] <mnemo> heh yea
[12:51] <mnemo> or go work for canonical ofc ;) seems like a great company
[12:52] <c0p3rn1c> I'm even scared to ask for an internship, I'm petty gifted for programming but I've not exactly bin an A student
[12:52] <mnemo> yeah its probably harder right now with the bad economy etc
[12:53] <mnemo> but maybe start learning more deeply about linux
[12:53] <mnemo> try to come a MOTU etc
[12:54]  * c0p3rn1c is googling MOTU
[12:54] <c0p3rn1c> Masters Of The Universe lol
[12:54] <c0p3rn1c> nice :-)
[12:54] <mnemo> =) thats the team that brings you most of the software in ubuntu
[12:56] <c0p3rn1c> ic
[14:11] <YUNGMIZZ> HEY WATS GOOD
[14:21] <htrejh> hi
[14:22] <htrejh> did something change in jaunty, i am a gfire dev (pidgin plugin for xfire) and now it crashes, seems to ba MALLOC_CHECK or something like that
[14:22] <htrejh> did something change in the system vars or in gcc?
[15:26] <dreamcoder> is anyone else having issues with greatly reduced download speeds in jaunty? via wireless
[15:27] <dreamcoder> i am downloading at less than 700 when it should be 2400
[15:32] <sits> is the first user not being added to the audio group etc. a known and fixed bug?
[16:08] <the_dark_warrio> When watching a movie in fullscreen, the new message system makes the screen blink. Is this a known bug?
[16:17] <directhex> oh, the notification thing causes that?
[16:18] <jpds> Yeah, I have that too.
[16:21] <hyperair> blink?
[16:21] <hyperair> i don't have that
[16:21] <hyperair> in the first place, the notification shouldn't happen when watching a movie in fullscreen
[16:22] <hyperair> unless you're watching videos from veoh, which has the stupidest web player you can ever find.
[16:22] <james_w> it won't if the movie player inhibits the screensaver
[16:32] <the_dark_warrio> well
[16:32] <the_dark_warrio> its vlc
[16:33] <hyperair> ah vlc
[16:33] <hyperair> what gpu?
[16:33] <the_dark_warrio> I'm using nvidea
[16:34] <hyperair> ah nvidia
[16:34] <hyperair> but that's strange, i thought nvidia was better than intel in this aspect =\
[16:35] <hyperair> i'm using intel, but if there's one thing that really works well, it's compositing on top of videos
[16:45] <cjwatson> htrejh: many things have changed, including new upstream versions of the toolchain - but chances are it's a bug in your program that this just happened to expose. Try using valgrind
[16:47] <htrejh> ok thanks
[18:05] <Afifi> hi
[18:05] <Afifi> how to change the default user settings ?
[18:11] <ScottK> Afifi: Ask in #ubuntu (or #ubuntu+1 if you are running Jaunty)
[18:12] <Afifi> ok thank you
[23:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #327819 seems to indicate the kerneloops MIR is deferred until karmic; should I unseed this from desktop?
[23:57] <slangasek> cjwatson: or is there something I'm overlooking in that bug, that's a reason to keep it in the seed?


[01:23] <ChinnoDog> sup lamalex
[09:06] <JonathanD> Good morning PA.
[10:41] <InHisName> 'Nother good one, JonathanD
[11:02] <JonathanD> Morning
[11:25] <rmg51> 0/
[13:00] <teddy-dbear> o/
[13:10] <jedijf> ssweeny: 28 congrats! keep going.
[14:17] <ssweeny> jedijf, that's the plan
[14:53] <tychoish> anduril!
[15:02] <anduril> tychoish!
[15:09] <tychoish> awat.
[15:09] <anduril> dont interrupt my star trek viewing
[15:09] <anduril> n00b
[15:11] <InHisName> interrupt interrupt
[15:55] <andrew> Anyone have any suggestions to help fix a problem a user is having: copy/pasting of text takes a long time (user has timed it to be 37 seconds to paste) [winxp]?
[15:55] <andrew> JonathanD: ^
[15:56] <JonathanD> no idea
[15:57] <anduril> in specific apps or all apps?
[15:57] <andrew> I know it happens when pasting from word to outlook
[15:57] <JonathanD> ooh
[15:57] <JonathanD> office-office pasting is "Special"
[15:57] <anduril> both have support for pretty large clipboards its possible they're full
[15:57] <anduril> or too large
[15:58] <JonathanD> They also have multi-stage clipboards that hold more than one thing.
[15:59] <andrew> even on older versions of office? (word = 97; outlook = 2003)
[15:59] <anduril> pretty sure 2003 does not sure about 97
[16:00] <anduril> doesnt outlook default to using word as its email composing engine? Check your settings and if so try disabling that
[16:03] <andrew> that isn't set (probably because it requires a newer version of word)
[16:04] <anduril> fdisk. its your only hope
[16:04] <andrew> hmm...
[16:04] <andrew> as in fix, or format
[16:05] <anduril> as a joke :) I have no idea honestly and havent used word 97 since...well...early 2000s
[16:05] <andrew> yeah, I'll have to check to see if it's limited to just that combination, or system wide
[16:08] <anduril> all updates/service packs for the various office software installed?
[16:08] <waltman> andrew: My only guess is that they're out of memory and paging like crazy.
[16:10] <waltman> I suppose a typical windows user response would be to defrag the hd, but I can't see how that would help much.
[16:11] <anduril> I'd say run ccleaner or the like and wipe out temp folders and and its clipboard cache
[16:12] <waltman> clipboard cache?!
[16:12] <waltman> so it's not a single thing?
[16:12] <waltman> wacky windows.
[16:13] <anduril> office has its own clipboard which holds multiple "copies." by default the OS itself only has the most recent but Im sure there's probably a history or a cache of it
[16:14] <waltman> madness
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> You people are confused. lol
[16:15] <andrew> I'll check the page file, good idea
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> Most of the time the clipboard doesn't hold anything but a reference to the pasting program. The office clipboard is a mess though. Is it installed and active?
[16:16] <andrew> granted, the solution to this problem would be to get $user to use Outlook's signature feature instead of copy pasting it in each time...
[16:16] <waltman> I just did a short talk on the X11 clipboard for PLUG Central.  It's weird and nonintuitive, too.
[16:17] <andrew> don't get me started on that clipboard
[16:17] <waltman> For starters, X doesn't really *have* a clipboard :)
[16:17] <andrew> don't get me started on that copy/paste mess
[16:17] <waltman> It's actually kind of clever once you understand what's going on.
[16:17] <andrew> why can't I: 1)copy, 2) lock the screen; 3) unlock the screen; 4) paste ?
[16:18] <waltman> lock with xscreensaver?
[16:18] <waltman> that's an excellent question
[16:19] <waltman> probably whatever's locking the screen is stealing the clipboard selection
[16:21] <waltman> But I don't recall ever wanting to paste after unlocking my screen.  Usually I'm pasting right after copying and the screen hasn't had time to lock.  And if it has locked, I've forgotten what I'd copied.
[16:23]  * tychoish comes back from the abyss
[16:25] <andrew> waltman: I think I've read that it's cleared when the screen is locked to prevent it from getting pasted when the screen is locked
[16:27] <waltman> The only thing you could paste it into would be the password field of the unlock dialog box, no?
[16:29] <waltman> If so, it seems like it might be easier to just have that not respond to pastes.
[16:29] <andrew> agreed (don't forget the 'leave message' option)
[16:30] <waltman> been a while since I've run xscreensaver...
[16:30] <waltman> I wonder if I could expand my clipboard talk to 40-60 minutes...
[16:35] <tychoish> registers in emacs = hours
[16:36] <waltman> huh?
[21:33] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[21:51]  * erstazi likes LXC (:
[22:03] <MutantTurkey> Gobble Gobble
[22:04] <MutantTurkey> gnome 3.0 released?
[22:10] <ssweeny> it is indeed
[22:11] <MutantTurkey> I'm not sold yet, stuck on xfce 4.8
[22:12]  * ssweeny likes it for the most part
[22:13] <ssweeny> using the ppa for it on natty is a bit frustrating, but i'll reserve final judgment until the final bits are in
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> bloat or not?
[22:16] <ssweeny> not really bloat
[22:16] <ssweeny> more like they haven't worked out all the kinks
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> define _not really_
[22:17] <ssweeny> and the interaction with my graphics driver seems to be problematic
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> D:
[22:17] <ssweeny> like when i open a picture in eye of gnome my whole screen goes black
[22:17] <ssweeny> i'm fairly certain that's not by design
[22:18] <ssweeny> otherwise it's pretty fast
[22:18] <ssweeny> and i love the dynamic workspaces
[22:19] <MutantTurkey> good
[22:19] <MutantTurkey> tempted to try it out
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> wonder if Arch has it in [gnome-unstable] yet...
[22:24] <ssweeny> it should be hitting debian sometime soon
[22:24] <ssweeny> looking forward to that
[23:10] <waltman> I'm not even sold on xfce :)
[23:18] <jedijf> waltman: how long have you xfce'd?
[23:18] <waltman> Just a few days, then I went back to windowmaker :)
[23:19] <jedijf> lol.....6 weeks at least
[23:19] <jedijf> be fair
[23:20] <waltman> I'm addicted to dockapps :)
[23:20] <waltman> and while I found a sort-of solution, it wasn't the same.
[23:21] <waltman> It just didn't seem like it was buying me much
[23:21] <waltman> anyhow, I'm running out to plug central.  I'll be back later.


[22:23] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[22:23] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue173


[02:26] <Ju> Hi all !
[06:09] <cyphase> why can't libdvdcss be put into restricted or multiverse?
[06:09] <cyphase> like the gstreamer mp3 plugin