[12:43] <nixternal> damn
[12:43] <Jucato> hm.... waking up to seeing the word "damn"... not a good start to the day...
[12:44] <nixternal> I know how to fix gustavonarea's L35 issue, I just did it on Sunday for a guy who has been batteling with Canonical for a month to fix it, and in 15 minutes with mj59, we fixed it
[12:44] <Jucato> he
[12:44] <Jucato> heh
[12:47] <nixternal> cool, he was in ubuntu-devel so I got to link him to bug #144297
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144297 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[Gutsy]  ATI (Radeon) and Linux 2.6.22 will not start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144297
[12:47] <nixternal> which is the same issue
[12:47] <nixternal> OK, I am going for Sushi, back in a bit :)
[12:48] <Jucato> yum!
[12:54] <Riddell> nixternal: presumably you're not able to do more on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu ?
[02:39] <Tm_T> whats current method to upgrade to Gutsy from our point of view
[02:40] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: are you in #ubuntu-devel?
[02:41] <Tm_T> not currently, that's the channel I forgot, thanks for the tip =)
[02:41] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: that is where they are talking about your question
[02:41] <gnomefreak> before you asked it atleasr
[02:41] <gnomefreak> atleast*
[02:42] <Tm_T> hum, and resolution was...
[02:42] <Tm_T> I mean, do we have some upgrade tool to test or should I just go the way I like
[02:42] <gnomefreak> nothing
[02:42] <Tm_T> heh
[02:43] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: for kde im not sure but for gnome the latest version of update-manager is in feisty-updates and the beta wiki tells you to make sur eyou have that
[02:43] <gnomefreak> version
[02:44] <Jucato> adept_manager --version-update ??
[02:44] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[02:44] <gnomefreak> Jucato: not sure if its been updated yet
[02:44] <gnomefreak> yep thats what this says but does it work? eh dont have a clue
[02:45] <Jucato> er.. --version-upgrade
[02:45] <Jucato> someone reported it as now working
[02:45] <gnomefreak> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[02:45] <Jucato> or rather crashing.
[02:45] <gnomefreak> it most likely is if it cant handle unofficial packages
[02:45] <Jucato> but it was marked as a bug for update-manager and she's was worried that it wouldn't be tested, known, and fixed for Kubuntu
[02:46] <Jucato> bug 144188
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144188 in update-manager "version-upgrade crashes during Preparing for upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144188
[02:46] <Jucato> she provided an strace, but I asked her if she could get a backtrace...
[02:46] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta is the way i saw during meeting but update-manager-kde might be differnet
[02:49] <gnomefreak> we be better to have /var/log/dist-upgrade/all 3 files in there
[02:49] <gnomefreak> s/we/would but i dont know that kde saves there or not
[02:50] <gnomefreak> Jucato: most helpful line afaict is 17796 write(2, "dist-upgrade.py: cannot connect to X server :0\n", 47) = 47 and that isnt very helpful other than adept maybe not being able to keep X connection
[02:51] <Jucato> so it may indeed be an Adept bug?
[02:51] <gnomefreak> everything else looks fairly sane from what i see
[02:52] <coreymon77> oh, hey Jucato
[02:52] <Jucato> hi coreymon77
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Jucato: it looks as if it is but im no expert, when i was triaging update-manager bugs the helpful files were in /var/log/dist-upgrade see if she has those file there than we can tell if a package caused it or if GUI caused it
[02:52] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I'll ask her later to try again, seems like mvo said it was fixed
[02:53] <gnomefreak> Jucato: adept uses apt/dpkg so he might have tweaked something
[02:53] <gnomefreak> i have to ping him in morning about upgrade and envy crap so i might ask him about this that is if i dont miss him like today
[02:53] <Jucato> but according to Riddel, the upgrade tool of adept is from the same source package, so I'm assuming he meant update-manager-core.
[02:54] <gnomefreak> very possible but i thought there was an upda-manager-kde or something like that
[02:54] <gnomefreak> update-manager-kde
[02:54] <Jucato> nah
[02:54] <gnomefreak> unless its combined into adept?
[02:54] <Jucato> yep
[02:55] <Jucato> hence the --version-upgrade
[02:55] <gnomefreak> look lik eit was
[02:56] <bddebian> Is there such a thing? :-)
[02:56] <Jucato> heh I wish
[02:56] <Jucato> at least on Kubuntu that's still a dream
[02:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: I'm just testing it =)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> 17796 read(4, "No protocol specified\n\277\277", 24) = 24
[02:56] <gnomefreak> 17796 write(2, "Xlib: connection to \":0.0\" refused by server\r\nXlib: ", 52) = 52
[02:56] <gnomefreak> 17796 write(2, "No protocol specified\n", 22) = 22
[02:56] <gnomefreak> that might be it
[02:57] <gnomefreak> update-manager may have also suffered from this but looks like just an GUI issue to my limited knowledge of straces
[02:58] <Jucato> ditto
[02:58] <Tm_T> piu
[02:58] <gnomefreak> hence why mvo gets great pay and i work free
[02:58] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:58] <Tm_T> piu piu
[02:58] <Jucato> hahah
[02:58] <Tm_T> piu piu piu
[02:58] <gnomefreak> night i have to get to sleep
[02:58] <Jucato> so early? :)
[02:59] <Jucato> g' night! :)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> its 9pm
[02:59] <gnomefreak> i have to get up at 4
[03:02] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[03:03] <Jucato> hm???
[03:03] <Tm_T> actually, if I dont have and dont intend to have kubuntu-desktop metapackage installed, could --version-upgrade cause some pain?
[03:03] <Jucato> afaik it reinstalls it
[03:03] <Tm_T> ok, so not that then
[03:17] <Jucato> Tm_T, stdin: please keep an eye on Hacker_. looks oddly familiar
[03:19] <stdin> so I won't do !away > Jucato  then :)
[03:39] <nixternal> OK everyone...getting ready to work on some release notes...anything off the top of your head, please let me know
[03:40] <Jucato> "Dolphin not the default anymore"?
[03:40] <Jucato> j/k
[03:41] <nixternal> heh
[03:42] <nixternal> is there a way to change that? I haven't looked into it yet?
[03:42] <Jucato> File Associations -> inode/directory
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Riddel is enjoying is vacation?
[03:42] <nixternal> there are times when I wish Dolphin wouldn't open, and if I can not have it open at all would be bliss
[03:42] <Jucato> and inode/system_directory
[03:42] <nixternal> k
[03:42] <nixternal> is strigi still loading by default?
[03:42] <nixternal> OK, stupid question....
[03:42] <Jucato> :)
[03:43] <Jucato> still crashing by default here :P
[03:43] <nixternal> lol
[03:46] <nixternal> god, I love how slow KMail deletes a lot of email at once
[03:46] <nixternal> actually, 30 seconds this time wasn't as bad..it is getting quicker :p
[03:46] <Jucato> I bet strigi would be spectacular if I could only get it to work...
[03:48] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: you can ban his real name Nathaniel Theis the syntax is a bit hard to remember i think nomral ban chars with ? between Nathaniel and Theis like *@* or whatever the first part should look like Nathaniel?Theis
[03:48] <Tm_T> I see
[03:48] <Tm_T> I try
[03:49] <Tm_T> stdin: I was about to set similar ban =)
[03:50] <stdin> Tm_T<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was the one I set earlier, but that didn't catch him for some reason
[03:50] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: give one more minute, then we should remove him (abusive, no need to hold him around)
[03:50] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: agreed sorry i didnt want to talk about this in front of him
[03:51] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I understand it well
[03:52] <Jucato> what's +d again?
[03:53] <stdin> +d is realname ban
[03:53] <Jucato> on the channel?
[03:53] <stdin> yeah
[03:53] <Jucato> the channel mode I mean
[04:01] <Riddell> nixternal: the current flash fix didn't come from mandriva, the one we're using now is a fix in gnome
[04:02] <nixternal> roger that
[04:02] <jjesse> evening
[04:02] <Jucato> morning :)
[04:02] <jjesse> smart ass
[04:03] <Jucato> yep. I'm smart :D
[04:03] <nixternal> Riddell: you are up a little late aren't ya? anyways, add stuff to the list before you pass out if you would like
[04:03] <Tm_T> early morning
[04:04] <nixternal> I pulled the stuff that is currently there from the proposed tribe 6 page as well as the commit logs
[04:04] <Jucato> *very* early
[04:04] <Riddell> nixternal: these DVDs don't test themselves
[04:04] <Tm_T> 0504 here
[04:04] <Tm_T> riddells its 03 (?)
[04:04] <Tm_T> -t
[04:04] <Jucato> 2:04 AM I think
[04:04] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't think much has happened since tribe 6, so just add some of the greatest hits from before then and it should be sorted
[04:04] <nixternal> roger
[04:04] <Riddell> 03:04 it is for me
[04:04] <Tm_T> Jucato: AM ?
[04:05] <Jucato> oh missed by 1 hour :)
[04:05] <Jucato> sorry. AM = am :)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> Jucato: Tm_T stdin damn all 3 of you here, can we get this hacker thing over with soon
[04:05] <Tm_T> am?
[04:05] <Jucato> ante meridian
[04:05] <Jucato> gnomefreak: what else needs to be done?
[04:05] <gnomefreak> am=a monster in this house
[04:05] <Tm_T> Jucato: ah, you mean "american thingie"
[04:05] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes?
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> am = american morning
[04:05] <stdin> gnomefreak: I think my latest ban stops him from joining<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:05] <Jucato> the 12-hour clock thingy
[04:06] <Jucato> gnomefreak: he's banned from #kubuntu. period :)
[04:06] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i would start with explaining why he was banned and continue with how long it will be for and warn him about the ctcp thing
[04:06] <Riddell> nixternal: while probably good enough for the intended audience, the patch required was to gtk not nspluginviewier :)
[04:06] <gnomefreak> stdin: hes in -ops
[04:06] <Jucato> I already explained why
[04:06] <stdin> gnomefreak: yeah, I meant on #k
[04:06] <nixternal> Riddell: gotcha
[04:06] <Jucato> and I was about to remove the ban earlier this morning until I saw him come back
[04:07] <Riddell> nixternal: link to the appropriate part of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[04:07] <nixternal> OK
[04:07] <Riddell> nixternal: and highlight that you need to have feisty-proposed ("pre-released updates") enabled
[04:07] <stdin> gnomefreak: he was banned for doing "init ctcp ping 0x00" multiple time, botabuse and random offtopic chatter
[04:07] <nixternal> thanks Riddell, and g'nite
[04:07] <gnomefreak> Riddell: so the --version-upgrade works for feisty>gutsy?
[04:07] <stdin> gnomefreak: despite being warned
[04:08] <gnomefreak> stdin: i know why he was :)
[04:08] <Riddell> gnomefreak: mostly, yes
[04:08] <gnomefreak> Riddell: ok
[04:08] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:43] <Jucato> this is going to be a stupid question... what version of GNOME will Gutsy be using?
[06:54] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu
[06:54] <nixternal> ^^ Ladies and Gentlemen, Children of all ages....check it out :)
[06:54] <Jucato> heh I thought you were answering my question :P
[06:55] <Jucato> you're amazing at how you were able to produce such a long document :)
[06:55] <Jucato> ah wait nixternal! you might want to include strigi-applet in there
[06:56] <nixternal> do it for me :)
[06:56] <nixternal> my fingers are bleeding
[06:56] <Jucato> bwahaha Riddell has a screenshot in his blog :P
[06:56] <nixternal> oh, that applet
[06:56] <nixternal> the kicker applet that is
[06:56] <nixternal> I will do that now
[06:56] <Jucato> yep that one
[06:57] <Jucato> what were you thinking?
[06:57] <Jucato> er. "thinking of"
[06:57] <nixternal> I have no idea..and that was the main thing I wanted to get a pic of at that
[06:57] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:58] <nixternal> well, I know it is long overdue, but MS Paint can save .png files now :p
[06:58] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahhaha
[06:58] <Jucato> hahahah
[06:58] <ScottK> nixternal: The GPG and S/MIME stuff we've had in the previous release notes could/should go in the KDEPIM section.
[06:58] <nixternal> I was talking to a guy at Best Buy tonight and he said that was a nice addition
[06:58] <nixternal> ScottK: isn't it in there?
[06:58] <nixternal> argh, I must have copied over it when I pasted from kwrite
[06:58] <nixternal> sorry, I will add that back in
[06:58] <ScottK> If it is, I missed it.  I'll look again.
[06:59] <nixternal> no, it isn't in there...I either copied over it, or when deleting my img links I may have grabbed a little to much
[07:00] <Jucato> hm.. perhaps I should do a test upgrade now...
[07:00] <nixternal> haha, a comcast employee commented on my blog
[07:01] <ScottK> nixternal: Around here when I bitch to the Comcast techs about Comcast, they agree as long as it's not on a recorded line.
[07:01] <nixternal> hrmm, strigi doesn't remember what it indexed previously ey?
[07:02] <nixternal> a comcast line tech came over to my house after my repeated threats and cancellation of digital phone service today...and he walked the hood trying to find the problem...he not only located it, he fixed it, and then came back to my house with an update...he went way out of his way, which I cannot say I have ever seen with Comcast in the past
[07:02] <nixternal> actually, he didn't come to my house, but the box is in my backyard for our side of the street
[07:03] <ScottK> So let me know when you think you've put the encryption stuff back in to I can kvetch if you didn't do it right.
[07:04] <nixternal> I am going to just copy and paste what you wrote 12 years ago :p
[07:04] <ScottK> OK.  As long as you copy/paste better than you did last time, that should be fine.
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Jucato: ping
[07:05] <Jucato> pong
[07:06] <ScottK> nixternal, need any screenshots?
[07:06] <nixternal> I think I am covered for screenies
[07:07] <Jucato> nixternal: your screenies are great. do you put the shadows there yourself?
[07:07] <nixternal> yes
[07:07] <Jucato> koolness
[07:07] <Jucato> using? MS Paint?
[07:08] <ScottK> Vista delux edition.
[07:08] <Jucato> hehe anyway, I just saw the http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu page for the first time, and thought we could use one of yours for updated screenies on that page
[07:08] <nixternal> gimp
[07:08] <nixternal> the only editor I somewhat know how to use
[07:08] <Jucato> hahah
[07:08] <Jucato> no Krita eh? :)
[07:09] <nixternal> nope
[07:09] <DaSkreech> how comes the libsoprano is out of date in gutsy?
[07:09] <Jucato> DaSkreech: is that what you ping'ed me for?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Jucato: no it was along the same lines but I just figured I'd skip the other stuff
[07:10] <Jucato> hah
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah but nepomuk depends on it and I'm thinking that since KDe4 is coming out for gutsy and work will start on pushing towards 4.1 we should have the libs there for people who want to help out
[07:12] <Jucato> oh you mean KDE 4 packages... they will always be out of date... since we can't always keep up with SVN right? :)
[07:12] <Jucato> waiting for beta 3 for the next set of packages
[07:13] <DaSkreech> no
[07:13] <DaSkreech> It's a package that's outside of KDE
[07:13] <DaSkreech> for RDF
[07:13] <Jucato> ah I see
[07:14] <DaSkreech> the version in the reposis 0.9 the version on the site is 1.9 I think
[07:14] <DaSkreech> nepomuk needs the new one.
[07:14] <DaSkreech> how likely is it that it can be updated if a package is built
[07:14] <DaSkreech>  I'm still not sure how packages in universe go with respects to version freezes
[07:15] <Jucato> not sure... we're in beta freeze now right? and feature freeze too I think
[07:16] <DaSkreech> right and Universe packages have to respect that as well
[07:16] <Jucato> if ever, we could probably just include it in the same repos (kubuntu.org?) for kde4
[07:16] <Jucato> nixternal would most probably know bitter
[07:16] <nixternal> done and done
[07:16] <DaSkreech> wow
[07:16] <DaSkreech> that was quick :)
[07:16] <nixternal> libsoprano is in the kde support stuff now right?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> nixternal is the man ;-)
[07:16] <Jucato> I doubt he was referring to sopranos
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I know it was still funny
[07:17] <Jucato> yep it was
[07:17] <DaSkreech> nixternal: yeah
[07:17] <Jucato> for about 0.2 secs
[07:17] <nixternal> no, the strigi applet screenshot and the gpg info
[07:17] <Jucato> we know :)
[07:17] <nixternal> the version we have now is for the KDE 4 Beta 2 release
[07:17] <Jucato> yep
[07:18] <nixternal> if they have updated it since, then it won't get updated until Beta 3 unfortunately, since no other application needs it
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[07:18] <Jucato> um.. DaSkreech
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Si?
[07:18] <Jucato> where did you see that it's current is 1.9?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/soprano/soprano-1.90.0-beta1.tar.bz2?modtime=1190048817&big_mirror=0
[07:19] <nixternal> Riddell: when you wake up, there is a nice little release notes page awaiting you :)
[07:19] <nixternal> I like this set of release notes the best honestly
[07:19] <Jucato> ah in trunk
[07:19] <DaSkreech> And I jumped into #kde4-devel to ask about the URL for KDE4 showstoppers and somehow got peppered for it
[07:19] <nixternal> this set will make it easier come time for the website release notes
[07:20] <Jucato> yay :)
[07:20] <DaSkreech> \o/
[07:20] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ok saw it. was looking at the old SF site
[07:20] <Jucato> and yeah, trunk/kdesupport/soprano/README says 1.9 too
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Apparently nepmuk won't build
[07:21] <DaSkreech> the two things I want really badly in KDe4
[07:21] <Jucato> I was sort of looking forward to them... being able to tag files and search by tags
[07:21] <DaSkreech>  then sonnet :(
[07:21] <Jucato> it's the only sensible use I have of any desktop search
[07:21] <Jucato> otherwise, find + grep = power!!
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Man I should stop lusting after things in KDe4 seems to make them wither
[07:22] <Jucato> kfind would have actually = power too if it didn't do reg exp by default...
[07:22] <DaSkreech> Jucato: nepomuk is better :)
[07:22] <Jucato> well yeah, but only if you got it to work
[07:22] <Jucato> otherwise, my guns are on find, grep, and locate
[07:23] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, that speedy gonzales is Freddy?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Yeah I guess having up todate dependencies in a KDE4 repo makes sense
[07:24] <nixternal> Jucato: yes
[07:24] <Jucato> hehe I knew it! :)
[07:24] <nixternal> I got some really great pictures of him this weekend at the LUG from one of our other guys
[07:24] <nixternal> that one, and a few more that probably were not good for the planet
[07:24] <Jucato> lol
[07:24] <Jucato> ariba ariba!
[07:24] <nixternal> hehe
[07:25] <nixternal> he will be home in a couple of weeks, and I am going over to his parents for authentic mexican food...man I cannot wait
[07:25] <Jucato> burritos and tacos!!
[07:25] <nixternal> heh, neither of which are authentic
[07:25] <Jucato> lol
[07:25] <nixternal> haha
[07:26] <nixternal> oh man, there is this TV show on satellite where this guy travels the world and eats all kinds of exotic foods
[07:26] <nixternal> and the nastiest yet, was in Riddell's neighborhood
[07:26] <Jucato> The Nixternal Show!
[07:26] <Jucato> oh really? what was it?
[07:26] <nixternal> Haggis? I think that is what it is called....I couldn't stomach it
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Which reminds me I need to write up a review of Vista
[07:26] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I will help you. IT SUCKS!
[07:26] <nixternal> there you go, done
[07:27] <DaSkreech> yeah
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Stinks too
[07:27] <nixternal> Vista kind of reminds me of this present I got for Christmas many years ago
[07:27] <Jucato> oh no nixternal... I don't think that's the nastiest yet
[07:27] <nixternal> the wrapping paper was really pretty, and it looked great, but low and behold, it contained the ugliest sweater I have ever seen in my life
[07:28] <nixternal> Vista is kind of like that....nice wrapping with really crappy innards
[07:28] <Jucato> nixternal: has that guy ever gone to our place yet?
[07:28] <nixternal> Jucato: I have eaten some weird stuff, especially in Milaysia...but Haggis is something I will not even attempt to touch
[07:28] <nixternal> Jucato: as a matter of fact, he has
[07:28] <Jucato> nixternal: this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut
[07:29] <nixternal> he ate that in Viet Nam I believe
[07:29] <nixternal> he ate some nasty stuff in Viet Nam
[07:29] <nixternal> worms was the big one he ate that made me almost gag
[07:29] <Jucato> hehe
[07:29] <nixternal> something else, but I can't remember what it was
[07:30] <Jucato> fertilized duck eggs :)
[07:30] <nixternal> ahh, ya that was another one
[07:30] <nixternal> but they didn't call it a duck, they called it something else and I can't remember now
[07:30] <DaSkreech> did he ferti... never mind
[07:30] <Jucato> lol
[07:30] <Jucato> just look at the images :)
[07:30] <nixternal> http://travel.discovery.com/tv/bizarre-foods/bizarre-foods.html
[07:31] <nixternal> there is his website
[07:31] <Jucato> I eat only a part of that.. the part that becomes the egg, not the duck
[07:31] <DaSkreech> what?
[07:31] <DaSkreech> the egg becomes the duck
[07:32] <Jucato> part of the egg is still unformed... the yolk part I guess, coz it's yellow :)
[07:32] <Jucato> that one I eat. I don't eat the baby duck
[07:32] <nixternal> go figure, haggis is listed in his top 10 most bizarre foods he has ever eaten
[07:33] <nixternal> one of my favorite foods is filipino...ponset is how it is pronounced
[07:33] <Jucato> "So off I go to Pateros, just outside Manila, for my Balut fest. If you havent eaten fertilized duck embryos, then you havent lived.
[07:33] <Jucato> pansit?
[07:34] <nixternal> ya
[07:34] <nixternal> mmmmmmmm mmmmm goood!
[07:34] <Jucato> hehe
[07:34] <Jucato> there are about half a dozen kinds of pansit here...
[07:35] <Jucato> yum yum :)
[07:35] <nixternal> we had a lot of people from the Phillipines living on our base in Maryland at one point, and a couple worked for the Greeks diner, and they would make it special for the family, and I tell you what, it was the most delicious thing I have tasted
[07:36] <Jucato> they say filipinos have a passion for good food :)
[07:36] <Jucato> I can't really say, but I have a passion for eating good food :D
[07:37] <nixternal> ca say is that duck he ate
[07:37] <nixternal> he did not like that
[07:37] <nixternal> ship worms was the other thing he ate
[07:37] <Jucato> "You know you've been spending too much time in #kubuntu... when you start saying !es when someone speaks in Spanish"
[07:37] <nixternal> heh
[07:38] <nixternal> oh well, I think it is time I get some sleep...see ya'll on the flipside of Beta! :)
[07:38] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:38] <Jucato> hehe g'night!
[07:38] <Jucato> er.. k'night!
[07:38] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[07:38] <nixternal> nice
[07:38] <nixternal> I am going to do that from now on
[07:38] <Jucato> hahah
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: !!!
[07:44] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech!
[07:44] <Jucato> Hobbseeeeeeee!!!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[09:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poke
[09:08] <DaSkreech> Sleeping
[09:08] <Jucato> zzzzZZzz
[09:09] <DaSkreech> fg %jucato
[11:04] <Lure> new kdepim enterprise snapshot in my ppa - testers appreciated
[11:05] <Lure> there is new attachement list in header (like MS outlook) - but may still change
[11:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: is it kmail that needs testing?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the iso's work fine both cd and dvd. The only thing is usplash doesn't work all the time on amd64 (dont know exactly why).
[11:25] <Lure> _StefanS_: kmail and korganizer were changed primarily (other changes are small/bug fixes)
[11:32] <Jucato> (yay korganizer :P)
[12:02] <Tonio_> ryanakca: hey :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> ryanakca: is that you who told me about a new kdm-theme problem ?
[12:02] <Tonio_> hi everyone :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddellkds uploaded with a second kdm theme as promissed
[12:04] <Jucato> Tonio_: maybe I did?
[12:04] <Jucato> if you meant the kdmtheme control module
[12:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: ho that was you
[12:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah I haved seen the problem and I hate the solution, but maybe not the time to do it myself...
[12:05] <Tonio_> I HAVE the solution
[12:05] <Jucato> oooh what is it?
[12:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: you have to write the selected theme in a /etc/default/kdm.d/30-kdm-theme file for example
[12:06] <Tonio_> instead of hacking kdmrc
[12:06] <Tonio_> shouldn't be that hard to do in the code
[12:06] <Jucato> looked at the code, it's kinda hardcoded to use kdmrc... but that's just from a noob's point of view
[12:06] <Tonio_> then to check which one is in use, you have to parse all the /etc/default/kdm.d/ files and get the highest value
[12:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;) weren't you searching for some code to perform ? ;)
[12:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: this one is interesting :)
[12:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure?!
[12:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: package hint : kdm-theme
[12:07] <_StefanS_> A bug I reckon ;)
[12:07] <_StefanS_> ah.. remove the userlist? :)
[12:07] <Jucato> Tonio_: um.. another problem is that the file in /etc/default/kdm.d/ changes a lot
[12:07] <Jucato> _StefanS_: nope
[12:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: done :)
[12:08] <Jucato> right now it's 20_kubuntu_default_setting...
[12:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kdm theme writes the new theme in kdmrc, that doesn't work in kubuntu since we use /etc/Default/kdm.d to set kdm settings
[12:08] <Jucato> who knows what number or name we'll reach :)
[12:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the value is currently in 20-kubuntu-default-settings
[12:08] <Tonio_> can be overwritten via a 30-xxxxxxxxx file in that folder
[12:09] <Jucato> _StefanS_: kdmtheme is a kcontrol module to graphically manage KDM themes. but is hardcoded to use the kdmrc and its values
[12:10] <Jucato> so while Tonio_ was able to fix a "No Administrator Mode" bug (yay!!!) this new bug makes it practically useless :(
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: correction. I fixed that one ;)
[12:10] <Jucato> _StefanS_: oh you did?! kooool!
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so kdmtheme should just look into the kubuntu-fied kdmrc then.
[12:10] <Jucato> one day, when I know about KControl modules, I'll ask you what happened
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll fix that, no problem.
[12:12] <Jucato> Tonio_: could I ask what was the reason behind the change from /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to /etc/default/kdm.d/ ?
[12:14] <_StefanS_> thats ok
[12:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: dynamic configuration
[12:21] <Jucato> hm.. ok :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: sure, the point is that putting specific kubuntu settings meant to hack the kdmrc file via a postinst script, which is kinda ugly
[12:37] <Jucato> ah I see
[12:37] <Jucato> ok got it :)
[12:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: now you can simply create a file and the different files are parsed for the settings
[12:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: same reason httpd.conf has been split in debian I'd say ;)
[12:38] <Tonio_> Jucato: don't mind for _StefanS_he wants to contribute like all of us ;)
[12:38] <Jucato> hehe :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> Jucato: btw he asked me what to do yesterday :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't it ? :)
[12:38] <Jucato> he's like a hungry hippo... asking for more code to chew on
[12:38] <Jucato> :P
[12:38] <_StefanS_> right :)
[12:38] <Jucato> ok. it just creates one tiny problem for that small kdmtheme. I guess now we would have to maintain that fork on our own.
[12:39] <Jucato> er.. s/we/_StefanS_/
[12:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: yep, and since he does it 100 times better than I would do it myself, I prefer to delegate :)
[12:39] <Jucato> s/our/his/
[12:39] <Jucato> heheeh wise choice :)
[12:39] <Jucato> er.. smart move
[12:39] <Jucato> straight&
[12:39] <Jucato> bah!
[12:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fyi I already tested locally the solution of creating a kdm.d file supperior to 20-xxxx, containing THEME="/path/to/the/theme"
[12:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it works like a charm
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: dont worry, I'm having a bad keyboard day myself :)
[12:40] <Jucato> well I guess  it's better to make typos in here than in code...
[12:41] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I'd love to see your solution afterwards. kdmtheme is quite small that I can probably grasp the changes
[12:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_, Jucato: just use a french keyboard, on a mac, and that's it :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> no more keyboard issue
[12:41] <Tonio_> except some specific chars are a bit nasty to type :)
[12:41] <Jucato> hehehe
[12:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: should we implement it like one to many like you just suggested with kdm.d ?
[12:42] <Jucato> does this new implementation of kdm.d honor filenames with higher numbers? like 30-foo will be read before 20-foo?
[12:43] <Jucato> or does it only take one file?
[12:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just make kdmtheme create one file and set it's config in it
[12:43] <ryanakca> Tonio_: nope... not a new one...
[12:43] <Tonio_> why having many files ?
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right.
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: your kdm.d thingy confused me :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> ryanakca: why not a new one ?
[12:44] <ryanakca> Tonio_:  I do think I told you about one quite a while back though.... something about a vertical line in the theme
[12:44] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that's way better having several files on that point
[12:44] <Jucato> Tonio_: but will that file name remain constant through any update/release?
[12:44] <_StefanS_> ah.. PAE = 4gb memory available
[12:44] <_StefanS_> at last.
[12:44] <ryanakca> Tonio_: well.... I haven't told you about one recently :)
[12:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes since the kubuntu-default-settings file will always be the 20-xxx one
[12:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: therefore it cannot overwrite the value set in a 30-xxx file :)
[12:45] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eean/747241740/in/set-72157600747318486/  has kubuntu
[12:45] <Tonio_> ryanakca: is that really confusing ?
[12:45] <Riddell> http://meni.livne.org/gallery/strathclyde/IMG_0008  too, neither great
[12:45] <Tonio_> ryanakca: this looks like very comfortable to me....
[12:45] <ryanakca> Tonio_: *scratches his head and looks for the confusing part
[12:46] <Jucato> O.o
[12:46] <Jucato> christmas balls?
[12:46] <_StefanS_> always different.
[12:46] <_StefanS_> yes.
[12:46] <Jucato> :D
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddelldo you know a way to make a kdm screen snapshot except via a VM ?
[12:47] <Jucato> hm.. so let me get this straight, if there were 2 files in kdm.d/, the one with a higher filename will be the one that gets read right?
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell that's for the preview.png file of the new kdm theme..... don't know how to proceed
[12:47] <ryanakca> Tonio_: you could try imagemagic from TTY1... export DISPLAY=:0 type thing...
[12:47] <Tonio_> ryanakca: right
[12:47] <Riddell> never managed it myself
[12:47] <ryanakca> Tonio_: sleep 10 && import -window root -display :0 screenshot.png
[12:48] <Jucato> _StefanS_: hm.. so let me get this straight, if there were 2 files in kdm.d/, the one with a higher filename will be the one that gets read right? (sorry forgot to direct the question)
[12:48] <ryanakca> (all from TTY)
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes, my understanding as well.
[12:49] <Jucato> hm.. so your code needs to have a sorting thingy? coz the previous implementation only read one file: kdmrc
[12:49] <Jucato> heh sorry, I'll let you go and code it.. then I'll just look at it :)
[12:50] <Jucato> thought it was a very low hanging bug that I could work on.. :P
[12:52] <Lure> _StefanS_, Jucato: can you hack kdm theme to show ~/.face.icon (if exists) instead of black head ?
[12:52] <_StefanS_> Lure: probably yes
[12:53] <Lure> _StefanS_: that would be cool - then you can change face in System Settings -> About Me
[12:53] <Jucato> hm... actually it's just a setting in kdm
[12:53] <Lure> Jucato: really? So why are we not using it?
[12:53] <ryanakca> Tonio_: export DISPLAY=:0 && sleep 10 && import -window root -display :0 screenshot.png           from TTY[1-6] ...
[12:54] <Jucato> Lure: in Login Manager -> Users tab, the User Image Source is set to Admin by default. it should be User, admin
[12:54] <Jucato> which will let the Users icon be used if there is one, and an admin default if there isn't
[12:55] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^ please change that default in k-d-s
[12:55] <Jucato> FaceSource=PreferUser
[12:55] <Jucato> in kdmrc
[12:55] <Jucato> it's disabled so the default AdminOnly is used
[12:56] <Riddell> hmm, shame he's not a bit more happy http://gallery.cryos.net/aKademy2007/DSC_0738.JPG.html
[12:56] <Lure> Jucato: great - I really do not see much point in having face icons that all look the same...
[12:56] <Jucato> hahah :)
[01:05] <Lure> Riddell: better? http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/Tonio1.jpg
[01:06] <Lure> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/Tonio2.jpg
[01:06] <_StefanS_> forbidden..
[01:07] <_StefanS_> ah there it is
[01:07] <Lure> _StefanS_: ups, should work now
[01:07] <Lure> Riddell: that is from Ubuntu-HR event where Tonio_ was speaker
[01:09] <_StefanS_> has Tonio never showered ? :)
[01:09] <_StefanS_> oh.. I read it wrong.
[01:10] <_StefanS_> just kidding :D
[01:13] <Riddell> Lure: I went with aseigo http://kubuntu.org/index2.php
[01:13] <Riddell> Lure: I'll keep the tonio ones for release candidate
[01:41] <Jucato> lol
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ping
[02:31] <Jucato> hi Hobbseeeeee!!!! :)
[02:31] <jjesse> mroning :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse!
[02:31] <Jucato> moin jjesse
[02:31] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[02:31] <jjesse> isn't it afternoon for you jucato?
[02:31] <Jucato> buzz
[02:31] <Jucato> evening :)
[02:32] <Jucato> and it's almost, if not already, midnight for Hobbsee
[02:32] <Hobbsee> 10.30pm
[02:32] <Hobbsee> must be time to start cooking dinner.
[02:32] <Jucato> oh lol too advanced :)
[02:32] <Jucato> bah! I was thinking of NZ
[02:45] <Goliath23> hi, is anyone experiencing the problem in gutsy where "eject" ejects the cdrom but immediately closes the tray again? I already disabled hal and dbus, but the problem persists. I wonder who is responsible for closing the tray...
[02:45] <Goliath23> doplhin maybe?
[02:45] <Goliath23> or a kde service gone mad?
[02:46] <_StefanS_> goblins?
[02:47] <Goliath23> :) who knows. I'd like to find the error, but I don't know where to look.
[02:47] <Goliath23> is there any chance to find out who is closing the tray right away? its pretty annoying :)
[02:47] <_StefanS_> hmm maybe watch a top -s 1 ?
[02:48] <_StefanS_> is it the console command 'eject' that you're using?
[02:48] <Goliath23> I must say that I have an edgy->feisty->gutsy system... incremental dist-upgrades. so maybe that's the cause I experience it and others don't
[02:48] <Goliath23> _StefanS_: yes
[02:48] <_StefanS_> uhm well it could be
[02:48] <_StefanS_> i had some of those aswell
[02:48] <_StefanS_> but...
[02:48] <_StefanS_> did a top reveal anything?
[02:49] <Goliath23> oh, udevd uses 97% right now!
[02:49] <_StefanS_> reinsdtall udev then
[02:49] <_StefanS_> remember to apt-get --purge remove udev
[02:50] <Goliath23> hm
[02:50] <Goliath23> i'd like to find out why the update breaks.
[02:50] <Goliath23> to prevent other users from experiencing this.
[02:51] <_StefanS_> yes, but then backup the udev rules, and reinstall, diff them afterwards. I know there were alot of udev rules updated lately
[02:51] <Goliath23> okay
[02:53] <Riddell> it's not used any more
[02:53] <Riddell> libxine1-ffmpeg is current one
[02:54] <Jucato> ok. gonna be a support nightmare for the first few weeks :)
[02:54] <Goliath23> funny, if I start udevd the cpu usage increases slowly but steadily from 9% to 97% over a couple of minutes..
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: uh, removed?
[02:56] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yep. no libxine-extracodecs package anymore
[02:56] <Jucato> not even a virtual or meta
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: uh, that's bad.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: who filed the removal request?
[02:57] <Jucato> dunno
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[02:57] <Goliath23> _StefanS_: purging udev would remove the whole system :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, we need to find out who removed that
[02:58] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: ah yep because of dependencies.. try just reinstall it then
[02:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok. I thought it was a well known fact amongst you dev folks :)
[02:58] <Goliath23> _StefanS_: and removing /etc/udev beforehand?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope.  and that definetly should nto have been removed - that transitional package needs to stay, and the remover needs LARTing
[02:59] <Jucato> hahah
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: just move it yes
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: I wont be responsible for your system however ;)
[02:59] <Goliath23> not?! :)
[02:59] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah. I mean we could probably update all our docs to say "libxine1-ffmpeg"... but I doubt everyone would know that for the first weeks/months
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's not that - it's that it'll break the upgrade path, for both dapper and gutsy
[03:00] <Hobbsee> er, dapper and feisty
[03:00] <Jucato> oh that too?
[03:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you therE?
[03:00] <Jucato> (maybE?)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: likely - unless all of the deps have been changed to require the new package
[03:01] <Jucato> gonna compare deps
[03:01] <Jucato> ok how the hell am I going to do that? hahah! nvm
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh, c&r should be OK
[03:02] <Jucato> Hobbsee: at least on feisty, it seems that libxine-extracodecs just installs libxine1-ffmpeg too
[03:02] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libxine-extracodecs
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: looks like there are c&r's there - i thought we had to keep the metapackages, for some reason
[03:02] <Jucato> um. c&r's? conflicts & recommends?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> replaces
[03:03] <Jucato> heh dang these terminologies watchamacalit
[03:03] <Jucato> so all's well (except for the support end)?
[03:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ping #2
[03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the problem is that when kdmtheme writes the changes back, it doesn't use the /etc/default/kdm.d/, right?
[03:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yo !
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: we need to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/99535 - filterset G is now EB&W, and is also completely undistributable.
[03:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99535 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Suggestion] Change the list of Adblock filters" [High,Confirmed]
[03:05] <Hobbsee> and i dont know how they're diong the filter number stuff, and if it's required.
[03:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it reads/writes the theme value in kdmrc, while it should write that in /etc/default/kdm.d/3_xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[03:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's it
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got it.
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just wanted to confirm it.
[03:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: also note that if the file still doesn't exist (first use) it should read the file from 20-xxxxxxx
[03:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm there !!!
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: are you?
[03:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so 20 is default, and 30 is customizeD?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> where's there?
[03:07] <_StefanS_> Not here
[03:07] <_StefanS_> or there
[03:08] <_StefanS_> :D
[03:08] <Jucato> where?
[03:08] <Jucato> ugh!
[03:08] <_StefanS_> what?
[03:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok
[03:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm fine, despite lot of work........ I'm on my contrib day tomorrow, I can wait to be on friday :)
[03:08] <Jucato> Tonio_: can the /kdm.d/ also include Lure's request? or is that better done in kdmrc directly?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, cool :)
[03:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: what's his request ?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: commit it to bzr - we're grabbing a variety of bugfixes
[03:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: as long as it is something people might want to tweak, it should be in kdm.d
[03:09] <Jucato> Tonio_: <Lure> _StefanS_, Jucato: can you hack kdm theme to show ~/.face.icon (if exists) instead of black head ?
[03:09] <Jucato> it's most probably a one-time deal
[03:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: impossible.......
[03:09] <Jucato> huh?
[03:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: ~ is undefined while at kdm :)
[03:10] <Jucato> er..
[03:10] <Jucato> hold on a sec
[03:10] <Jucato> let me paste
[03:10] <Tonio_> hum wait, that might work indeed
[03:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes paste please :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what to commit to bzr ?
[03:10] <ScottK> Riddell: If there's an error in the Beta release notes, is it to late to change them?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the fix for that bug
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kds is already commited, nothing is waiting for commit here.....
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: kubuntu ones?  no, dont think so
[03:10] <Jucato> Tonio_: <Jucato> Lure: in Login Manager -> Users tab, the User Image Source is set to Admin by default. it should be User, admin
[03:10] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Yes.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh, that's right, it's not in kdebase.
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh filterset :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes :)
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay I'll fix that toonight
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we should use a public licence list then
[03:11] <ScottK> In the KDEPIM section the bit about GPG config issues applies to upgrades from 7.04 too.  Not sure how the upgrading from 6.10 bit got in there.
[03:11] <ScottK> Hobbsee: ^^
[03:11] <Jucato> Tonio_: <Jucato> FaceSource=PreferUser in kdmrc
[03:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: added to my todo
[03:11] <Jucato> :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: easylist works well - unsure if it's GPL. should check that
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: added to my tomorrow's todo
[03:11] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'll just fix it then.
[03:12] <Jucato> heheh :)
[03:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I think it is
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ScottK: right.  please fix ASAP - no one double checked those notes
[03:12] <Hobbsee> or, pitti or someone may have, actually
[03:12] <Riddell> ScottK: no, it's a wiki
[03:13] <ScottK> It's fixed.
[03:13] <Riddell> thanks
[03:13] <ScottK> At least as soon as it gets done saving ....
[03:13] <Jucato> Tonio_: a growing todo list :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> Jucato: well I'm paid to contribute on friday so I have to do it well :)
[03:14] <Jucato> hahah :)
[03:14] <Jucato> nice :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> Jucato: which doesn't prevent me from contributing the rest of the week but that's different :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> but as for now I am paid to work................. seya all :)
[03:15] <Jucato> hehe see ya!
[03:15] <Jucato> and thanks
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ping me for any bug I may be able to close according to you :)
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: email also is nice :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, true, i hadnt gotten to that yet.  it's listed on the rc list, so...
[03:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you looked at dholbach's patch page?
[03:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/  there's three kubuntu related bugs there with patches
[03:46] <Goliath23> could soneone with a "fresh" gutsy installation please tar /etc/udev and put it on a webspace?
[03:47] <Goliath23> my rules seem to be fscked up and the reinstall-method didn't work...  Dolphin!!! :)
[04:36] <nixternal> I just realized something...
[04:37] <nixternal> I didn't disconnect last night at all
[04:37] <jjesse> yay maybe your blog post wokred
[04:38] <nixternal> heh
[04:38] <Jucato> nixternal: congrats!
[04:38] <nixternal> why thanks :)
[04:38] <Jucato> you weren't dancing so I didn't notice it too :)
[04:53] <nixternal> hrmm, anyone seen the new Lotus Notes Symphony from IBM?
[04:54] <jjesse> is that the open office spin off?
[04:55] <nixternal> ya
[04:55] <nixternal> it is pretty nice
[04:56] <nixternal> as it stands, much nicer than OOo
[04:56] <jjesse> better the OOo or worse?  i heard it was eclispe based?
[04:56] <nixternal> ya, everything IBM does has some sort of Eclipse use nowadays I think
[05:19] <Goliath23> Jucato: I thnk any gutsy installation not updated from edgy and feisty would do...
[05:20] <nixternal> :)
[05:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh aye, kubuntu meeting sometime next week?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: mmm....i planned for this week, but i suck.
[05:20] <jcastro> hi guys, I'm trying to schedule the sessions for ubuntu open week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[05:20] <nixternal> there you go jcastro, Riddell poked his head in right as you joined, as did Hobbsee :)
[05:20] <jcastro> I have 2 slots for kubuntu, if someone wants to run the sessions
[05:21] <jcastro> nixternal: thanks!
[05:21] <Hobbsee> jcastro: what was yoru old nick?  you sound familar, but not by that nick.
[05:21] <nixternal> whiprush Hobbsee
[05:21] <Hobbsee> ah!
[05:21] <nixternal> hehe, HE IS BACK!
[05:21] <Jucato> huh what?!?!?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> that's what was coming to mind
[05:21] <jcastro> Hobbsee: hi btw!
[05:21] <Hobbsee> welcome back, whiprush!
[05:21] <jcastro> thanks!
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[05:23] <nixternal> so who wants to do the openweek talks? I say Jucato rocks at least one of them! :)
[05:23] <nixternal> quit trying to snake your way out
[05:24] <nixternal> :p
[05:24] <Jucato> no seriously.. I was too busy trying to make sense of the CC meeting :)
[05:24] <nixternal> hahaha, me too
[05:28] <n8k99> is there something i can help out with?
[05:28] <n8k99> you know fetch coffee, sweep up the floors, put away chairs
[05:28] <n8k99> ?
[05:28] <Jucato> tea would be fine
[05:29] <Jucato> nixternal: was that pre-typed and copy-pasted? :D
[05:29] <n8k99> um, i'm an american, we don't do tea, sorry
[05:29] <nixternal> I just typed that up
[05:29] <Jucato> lol nice
[05:29] <nixternal> n8k99: speak for yourself :)
[05:29] <Jucato> :)
[05:29] <nixternal> I am addicted to tea, green tea
[05:29] <Jucato> I'm Asian, I do everything
[05:29] <nixternal> and now, my sister has turned me on to black tea
[05:30] <Riddell> I'm sure Tonio_ could do an openweek talk (probably on the friday), he can talk for France
[05:30] <allee> nixternal: your sister has good taste
[05:30] <nixternal> allee: that is really good stuff
[05:31] <sebas> Jucato: Make sure no one quotes you :-)
 I'm Asian, I do everything
[05:31] <Jucato> lol
[05:31] <nixternal> haha, that guy said that the florida loco was a micky mouse organisation that is a little goofy...that was good
[05:31] <Jucato> ok ok.. I take it back :)
[05:31] <sebas> Out of context, that offers lots of fun
[05:32] <nixternal> Jucato: hahahaha, I didn't even see that
[05:32] <Jucato> n8k99: er.. tea.. :)
[05:32] <n8k99> oops
[05:32] <manchicken> Did we have to patch kdelibs to get it to compile under GCC 4.1?
[05:32] <Riddell> manchicken: probably
[05:33] <manchicken> Okay, I have a buddy who's a gentoo user who's complaining about kdelibs not compiling under fcc4.1
[05:33] <manchicken> gcc*
[05:33] <nixternal> oh man....I bet 4.1 is the whole reason I am having an issue with this package
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, no problem on friday :)
[05:34] <Riddell> jcastro: a volunteer there
[05:35] <manchicken> Tonio_: What's happenin'?
[05:35] <nixternal> wasabi Tonio_!
[05:35] <Riddell> manchicken: we're looking for people to do talks at openweek
[05:35] <Tonio_> hey guys :)
[05:35] <manchicken> Riddell: About what?
[05:35] <Riddell> kubuntu
[05:35] <jcastro> Tonio_: sweet, what time slot?
[05:35] <Riddell> manchicken: know any loud people into kubuntu?
[05:35] <Tonio_> I'm at work, no time to really speak with you :) let's rediscuss this tomorrow please :)
[05:35] <manchicken> Well, yeah, but any particular people?
[05:35] <manchicken> Riddell: There's a crazy scotsman that I'm aware of :)
[05:35] <Tonio_> jcastro: can we make a point tomorrow ? I can prepare something, of course, preferably for friday
[05:36] <manchicken> Where is openweek?
[05:36] <Riddell> on IRC
[05:36] <Tonio_> jcastro: no matter when just tomorrow is okay, I'll be there all day long
[05:36] <manchicken> Tonio_: Need a perler?
[05:36] <jcastro> Tonio_: yeah feel free to ping me whenever.
[05:36] <manchicken> Riddell: Ah.  When?
[05:36] <Tonio_> jcastro:
[05:36] <Tonio_> jcastro: sure
[05:36] <Riddell> manchicken: a months time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[05:36] <Riddell> manchicken: fancy doing a talk?
[05:37] <manchicken> Riddell: I suppose I could look into it.  Are we looking for highly technical talks, endorsements, user walk-throughs, other?
[05:37] <Riddell> manchicken: jcastro knows all
[05:38] <manchicken> jcastro: Same question
[05:38] <jcastro> manchicken: can you give me 10 minutes or so? phone call.
[05:38] <jcastro> but basically, it can be whatever you guys want it to be
[05:38] <manchicken> jcastro: Oh, I guess so.
[05:38] <jcastro> so you can do like, a developer outreach, or tutorials
[05:38] <manchicken> jcastro: You don't want to tell me that.
[05:38] <Jucato> :D
[05:39] <nixternal> haha
[05:39] <manchicken> jcastro: I could give a 4-hour talk on why the US government should begin implementing Kubuntu immediately in order to protect national security.
[05:39] <manchicken> jcastro: And I really could, too.
[05:41] <manchicken> Oh crikey, Verizon just sent me a document titled "Customer Proprietary Network Information Notice"
[05:42] <Jucato> nixternal: what's the license for the Community Doc pages again?
[05:42] <nixternal> cc-by-sa garbage
[05:43] <Jucato> oh...
[05:43] <Jucato> ok :)
[05:43] <Jucato> no -nc?
[05:43] <nixternal> nope
[05:43] <Jucato> ah nvm.. I just realized they were 2 different docs :P
[05:43] <Jucato> *slightly*
[05:43] <Goliath23> could any1 with a running gutsy please tar his /etc/udev folder and put it on a webspace for me (or email it, msg for the address please)
[05:47] <Riddell> Goliath23: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/udev.tar.gz
[06:03] <jjesse> did anyone see the question on beta/kubuntu/feedback on whehter or not kubuntu is getting apparmor and compiz -fusion by default?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> for gutsy it wont
[06:05] <gnomefreak> kubuntu is waiting on kde4 to use its kwin effects last i heard
[06:05] <jjesse> maybe we should make sure the release notes explain that?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: does anyone *read* that?
[06:05] <gnomefreak> jjesse: i agree they should but they should also note it is installible
[06:05] <jjesse> release notes or the feedback page?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> feedback page
[06:05] <jjesse> i hope so :)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> or atleast on kubuntu beta release wiki
[06:46] <Goliath23> Riddell: tank you!
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: aware of any reason the konvi changes that were made in gutsy got reverted, at least on the beta live cd?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> there's no changelog entry for it
[06:48] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: there were changes made to konv?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: yes
[06:48] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: like what?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Tab position, nicklist theme, tray icon, etc.
[06:49] <coreymon77> oh, in other words, nothing that would affect me, since the tray icon doesnt work in the first place
[06:49] <Hobbsee> !doesnt work
[06:49] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[06:50] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: im on a mac
[06:50] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: using macports and x11.app
[06:50] <coreymon77> there are not tray icons as far as i know
[06:50] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: that explain it
[06:50] <coreymon77> ?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> running kubuntu?  got no idea, i'm not much of a fan of mac's
[06:51] <Jucato> nixternal: you there?
[06:52] <Jucato> nixternal: anyway, I was referring to this earlier when I mentioned strigi applet: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2973
[06:56] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: no, im running mac os x
[06:56] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: im just using konversation on it
[06:56] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: mac os is unix
[06:57] <Hobbsee> right
[06:57] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: so there is nothing stopping it from using a linux program
[06:57] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: all you need is an x11 compatability layer
[06:57] <coreymon77> which apple proides
[06:57] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: its not perfect in terms of integration, but it works
[06:58] <Hobbsee> right
[07:00] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: one of the integration problems being that i cant copy and paste from aqua apps (native mac os apps) to x11 apps
[07:01] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: meaning that if i want to copy a url form firefox into irc, i have to open a macos irc client, called colloquy, which is why i am often connected on two clients at once
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ouch. would be much easier to run straight kubuntu
[07:02] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: that is true, but then i would have to dual boot
[07:02] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: its no big deal, thats the only thing that doesnt work
[07:03] <coreymon77> if i click on a link it opens in firefox, i can copy from konversation to an aqua app
[07:03] <coreymon77> everything else is normal, just no tray icon
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you'd better reply to sho - it looks like you merged my changes in anwyay.
[07:04] <Hobbsee> and i'd prefer not to be the one who has to take the shit for every upstream, particularly for things i didnt put into the archive.
[07:04] <Jucato> :P
[07:04] <Hobbsee> gets a bit boring, after a while, tbh.
[07:04] <Jucato> yeah it does...
[07:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which changes ?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://rafb.net/p/nt3Vva97.html
[07:19] <jeroenvrp> I read in the beta discription that strigi is installed by default, not on my (upgraded) installation
[07:19] <jeroenvrp> kubuntu-desktop is installed
[07:20] <jeroenvrp> I only have libstrigihtmlgui0, libstreams0, libsearchclient and libcluceneindix0
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> no strigi-daemon or client is installed
[07:21] <jeroenvrp> do I miss a meta package?
[07:22] <Jucato> hm.. are we having problems with packages marked as recommends?
[07:22] <ScottK> jeroenvrp: I'm not certain, but I think that's correct since it's a recommends, not a depends.
[07:22] <ScottK> Recommends get installed when the package is installed, but not when it's upgraded.
[07:22] <ScottK> If it did, stuff people removed would always get reinstalled.
[07:22] <jeroenvrp> ScottK: but it says installed by default
[07:22] <jeroenvrp> so do I miss more than strigi
[07:22] <ScottK> jeroenvrp: And it is for new installations.
[07:23] <Jucato> ScottK: which would be a problem for upgraders... right?
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> yes, but how to get the added default software for upgraded
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: indeed
[07:23] <ScottK> jeroenvrp: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> use --install-recommends
[07:23] <ScottK> or what Hobbsee says.
[07:23] <ScottK> is even better.
[07:23] <Hobbsee> or whatever the syntax is
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> so apt-get install --install-recommends kubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> or apt-get install --reinstall --install-recommends kubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: did you upgrade manually or through adept?
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: manually
[07:24] <ScottK> jeroenvrp: You won't hurt anything if you get it wrong, so just give it a try.
[07:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sho_ again.......
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: well adept did not work when I tried it, but Riddell has solved that
[07:25] <coreymon77> guys
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> I will tey
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> try
[07:25] <coreymon77> what provides the kde systray
[07:25] <Hobbsee> kicker
[07:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll have a look tomorrow, but I'm starting to be veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery bored by this guy
[07:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I didn't revert anything
[07:25] <Jucato> coreymon77: kicker?
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> but still it will indeed a initial dissapointment for upgraders
[07:26] <coreymon77> okay
[07:26] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: do you have kdesudo installed?
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: yes
[07:27] <jeroenvrp> allthough does not work
[07:27] <jeroenvrp> as you proberly know
[07:27] <jeroenvrp> there are bugreports about that
[07:27] <Riddell> doesn't work?
[07:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like his only concern in life is that one distro over the world decided to change a _few_ settings by default........ I must say I don't understand
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh
[07:29] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: Bug #144722 and Bug #140793
[07:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144722 in kdesudo "kdesu leads to no permission for X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144722
[07:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140793 in ubuntu "Starting applications as a different non-root user (kdesu -u) does not work after upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140793
[07:30] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: second bug is a kdesudo bug, concerning the first I'd be interested to try to reproduce this, really
[07:30] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: I think they are the same
[07:31] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: seems sensible
[07:31] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I'll have a look tomorrow, can you ping me then please ?
[07:32] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: see #144722 for my comment
[07:32] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: I try to remenber
[07:32] <jeroenvrp> but I'm not the only one as you know
[07:33] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: btw: when starting adept or other root-needed-things from guidance, it works
[07:34] <jeroenvrp> but not from konsole and 'run command'
[07:34] <jeroenvrp> so the only way I can start e.g. konqueror as root, is to use sux
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: oh another thing; when I do 'sudo konqueror' it starts konqueror, but as myself, not as root (same as with kdesudo)
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> I will add this
[07:36] <stdin> jeroenvrp: "kdesudo konqueror" works here (starts konqueror as root), but I see the other bugs happening
[07:36] <jeroenvrp> stdin: are sure it starts at as root
[07:37] <stdin> yeah, I can enter lost+found in my filesystems
[07:37] <stdin> (a root only thing)
[07:37] <jeroenvrp> mmm
[07:38] <stdin> $HOME is still set to my home, but the UID is set to 0 (root)
[07:38] <jeroenvrp> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-jeroenzvlc9S" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[07:38] <jeroenvrp> that is what I get
[07:38] <stdin> yeah, I get those too. got them with kdesu back in feisty too
[07:38] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: no issue here with konsole using kdesudo + something
[07:38] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I suspect the -u option just doesn't work as excepted
[07:39] <stdin> kdesudo xterm      is a good test
[07:39] <jeroenvrp> stdin: that works
[07:39] <Jucato> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-jucato" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[07:39] <Jucato> kdesu konqueror
[07:39] <Tonio_> stdin: works for me
[07:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: you get that one also with sudo
[07:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: doesn't break sudo btw
[07:40] <Jucato> can't recall.. have never used sudo w/ GUI apps :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> % sudo konqueror                                                                                [1.52 0.70 - 38% 3%]
[07:40] <Tonio_> [sudo]  password for tonio:
[07:40] <Tonio_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-tonioIKxYsv" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[07:40] <Tonio_> Error: "/tmp/kde-tonio1ctaZO" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[07:40] <Tonio_> sorry for the paste ;)
[07:40] <Jucato> !flood
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:40] <jeroenvrp> kdesu gimp, also works
[07:40] <Tonio_> but yeah, everything seems to mean that the -u option is broken, I have to have a look tomorrow
[07:40] <Jucato> hehe sorry couldn't resist :)
[07:40] <jeroenvrp> seems only a problem with kde apps
[07:40] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: kdesudo -u user command
[07:40] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I'm pretty sure that doesn't work......
[07:41] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: correct, doesnt work
[07:42] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: okay I'll have a look tomorrow
[07:42] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: can be a sudo or a kdesudo bug, I don't know
[07:43] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: what about a sudo -u user command ????
[07:43] <Tonio_> does it work ?
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> sudo -u test kwrite
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:43] <jeroenvrp> same
[07:44] <jeroenvrp> so maybe indeed a sudo -u problem
[07:44] <stdin> sudo never worked like that
[07:45] <stdin> it doesn't do anything to allow connection to X from a different user
[07:48] <jeroenvrp> stdin: indeed
[07:48] <jeroenvrp> I can do non x-applications
[07:48] <jeroenvrp> with sudo -u
[07:49] <jeroenvrp> I have to go to dinner
[07:49] <jeroenvrp> bye
[07:49] <Jucato> with sudo -u you have to go to dinner? O.o
[07:50] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: yes Gutsy can also make my dinner :-)
[07:50] <Jucato> :)
[07:50] <jeroenvrp> but still it can't make coffee :-(
[07:50] <Jucato> but it has lots of Kaffeine! :)
[07:51] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: yes, allthough I prefer SM
[07:51] <jeroenvrp> smplayer that is :-)
[07:52] <Jucato> heheh
[07:53] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I suspect a sudo bug not a kdesudo one yes
[07:53] <jeroenvrp> ScottK: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install --install-recommends kubuntu-desktop, did the trick
[07:54] <ScottK> Someon (not me as I'm busy) ought to add the to the beta release notes wiki page.
[07:54] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: I don't know, but I'm not a developer :-(
[07:54] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: same for me :)
[07:54] <jeroenvrp> ScottK: it adds:
[07:54] <jeroenvrp>   pxljr rdesktop restricted-manager-core restricted-manager-kde splix strigi-applet strigi-daemon strigi-plugins
[07:54] <jeroenvrp>   ttf-unfonts-core xdg-utils xresprobe xsltproc
[07:55] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: ah
[07:56] <jeroenvrp> oh no dinner
[07:56] <jeroenvrp> grrr
[08:40] <manchicken> Anybody ever gotten a blackberry to work with kontact before/
[09:13] <Goliath23> Riddell: hi, have you tried the new patch for the icon spacing bug in ksplash?
[09:13] <coreymon77> hey guys
[09:13] <Goliath23> it works now *big promise* :)
[09:13] <coreymon77> my brother was telling me someting about being able to see and control my kubuntu box through x11 on my mac
[09:14] <coreymon77> what is that called?
[09:29] <Riddell> Goliath23: bug number?
[09:30] <Goliath23> *fighting with launchpad*
[09:33] <Goliath23> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksplash-engine-moodin/+bug/41407
[09:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:34] <Goliath23> Riddell: last comment contains the patch. and don't forget do use the new Theme.rc from three comments above. it was probably overwritten by an update from yesterday..
[09:38] <coreymon77> my brother was telling me someting about being able to see and control my kubuntu box through x11 on my mac
[09:38] <coreymon77> what is that called?
[09:39] <coreymon77> i forget what he told me it was
[09:39] <Goliath23> krfb?
[09:39] <coreymon77> do you guys know
[09:39] <coreymon77> no, it was x something
[09:40] <Goliath23> krfb is a remote desktop server, you could try that. I think you can connect to it via some vnc client from a mac-box ... If you want to connect from a linux box you can use it's counterpart krdc
[09:40] <stdin> x11vnc ?
[09:42] <coreymon77> x something (second word i think starts with an f)
[09:42] <coreymon77> x forwarding!
[09:43] <coreymon77> thats it
[09:43] <Goliath23> coreymon77: what do you want to do with it?
[09:43] <coreymon77> use it to be able to see and control my kubuntu box from my macbook
[09:43] <coreymon77> useful for when im doing support stuff on the kubuntu channel
[09:44] <coreymon77> Goliath23: hwo do i do it
[09:44] <Goliath23> coreymon77: did you try krfb and <insertsomemac-vnc client>
[09:44] <Goliath23> ?
[09:44] <Goliath23> its probably more easy to setup and use
[09:44] <coreymon77> i was told its done by ssh
[09:44] <Goliath23> krfb should already be in your kubuntu start menu
[09:45] <coreymon77> i know that
[09:45] <coreymon77> but the people on the mac channel say to do it by ssh
[09:45] <Goliath23> coreymon77: if you rely on rounting the traffic through ssh and use port 20, then you probably want to use x-forwarding.. if not, you can easily use krfb
[09:46] <coreymon77> Goliath23: i just want to be able to see and control my kubuntu box from my macbook at normal speeds so i can see what other people are seeing when i help them without having to actually go to my desktop box
[09:47] <coreymon77> Goliath23: whats the best way to do that, x forwarding or kfrb
[09:47] <coreymon77> ?
[09:47] <Goliath23> thats exactly what krfb/krdc is for.. i use it to help my brother with his kubuntu issues remotely. and it works fine over a poor dsl line
[09:47] <coreymon77> okay
[09:48] <Goliath23> on the kubuntu box you have to start krfb and configure it to always accept connections with password or use one-time invitations
[09:48] <coreymon77> does it help that both computers are on the same network?
[09:49] <Goliath23> coreymon77: yes it helps, because most likely you won't have to configure the firewall to allow connections to port 5900 or so (which is used by krfb)
[09:49] <coreymon77> i use torrent a lot, so my macbook is on dmz for this netowrk
[09:49] <Goliath23> kk
[09:50] <coreymon77> would i still have to forward the port for my kubuntu box
[09:50] <coreymon77> or is dmz on the macbook enough?
[09:50] <Goliath23> the krfb kubuntu box must be able to receive connections on port 5900.
[09:50] <coreymon77> tcp or udp?
[09:51] <Goliath23> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/ <- this seems to be a vnc client which will probably be able to connect to a kubuntu box with krfb configured correctly.
[09:51] <Goliath23> tcp
[09:52] <Goliath23> this is probably not kubuntu-devel related... we can move it to a query. just msg me if you have more questions.
[10:08] <Goliath23> can someone explains to me what the program "kded" does?
[10:08] <Goliath23> I mean, what's its purpose?
[10:31] <stdin> kded  triggers Sycoca database updates when needed
[10:31] <Goliath23> stdin: I read that, but why does it open the ports for krfb?
[10:33] <stdin> I don't know, I'm not that familiar with krfb and kded.
[10:33] <stdin> asked in #kde ?
[10:43] <Goliath23> no, maybe I will :)


[02:17] <bazhang> whoops
[02:18] <bazhang> so busy configuring sasl, forgot to join here
[02:18] <IdleOne> Did you get it sorted out?
[02:19] <bazhang> not yet
[02:26] <bazhang> it has a higher number, must be better
[02:26] <Jordan_U> It is in fact a pretty great release, but most users shouldn't care.
[02:27] <bazhang> seriously doubt he needs it or knows why it's better
[02:27] <Jordan_U> That's pretty clear.
[02:28] <bazhang> kernel 3.5.something has tonnes of fixes, too
[02:30] <bazhang> at any rate grub2 is being shelved for future versions of Ubuntu, if sources are to be believed
[02:33] <Unit193> I thought it was only for hardware that needs EFI support.
[02:36] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Unit193: Only for hardware with UEFI secure boot enabled. And IMHO (IANAL) they are misunderstanding the requirements of the GPLv3.
[02:51] <Unit193> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyODc Just read that, funny timing. :P
[02:52] <bazhang> hehe
[04:02] <bazhang> the fbots are MIA
[04:08] <bazhang> and johnD is back to -ot
[04:49] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Guest45423 (johnD) flooding
[05:04] <bazhang> at least ryaxnb responds on occasion
 I now have Ubuntu and a new pc with high specs running flawlessly, can somebody suggest a good chair for sitting comfortably in?
[06:34] <bkerensa> >.<
[13:40] <Pici> !notunity =~ s/10 uses/10 and higher use/
[14:24] <LjL> is yandex381 generally a problem? i think i've seen him say irrelevant things a bunch of times
[14:27] <oCean> If he says anything, which is every now and then, it is offtopic mostly offtopic
[14:27] <oCean> little redundancy there
[14:28] <LjL> is the department of redundancy department
[15:13] <h00k> It'd be kinda funny to send jono to ##fix-your-connection
[15:18] <Myrtti> I can do it for offtopic if you do it for u ;-)
[15:18] <Myrtti> not yet tho
[15:21] <h00k> Myrtti: let me know if you decide to, it's not so bad yet.
[15:56] <bazhang> why is tables repeatedly asking the same thing
[16:05] <mneptok> usually if tables return duplicate output, blame the SELECT statement.
[16:06] <bazhang> hehe
[16:51] <bazhang> augh did sidewinder just do a !list for an italian user?
[16:51] <oCean> yes
[16:51] <oCean> no
[16:51] <oCean> well
[16:51] <bazhang> ah it was an .nl user
[16:52] <oCean> someone says ciao, ... indeed
[16:52] <bazhang> still, incredibly silly
[16:52] <oCean> He used to say "... here comes the !list, wait for it...."
[17:13] <Sidewinder> At your service. :)
[17:13] <IdleOne> Thanks for joining. I just wanted to bring something up real quick
[17:13] <IdleOne> Sidewinder: I noticed you did a !list to a user who said hello in Italian. I want to ask you not to do that again, stereotyping like that is just wrong and very rude.
[17:14] <IdleOne> That was all :)
[17:15] <Sidewinder> ocean brought that to my attention; here is/was my response to him:oCean, My humblest apologies if I 'jumped the gun'; it's just that I can't remember a greeting of ciao or ciao a tutti that wasn't immediately followed by the 'list' command. Your disapproval is noted and you may rest assured that that sort of response will not be repeated; at least from me. :)
 Sidewinder: thanks
[17:15] <IdleOne> I was not aware oCean had already brought it up.
[17:16] <IdleOne> Sorry for the doubling up of work :)
[17:16] <IdleOne> We appreciate your understanding.
[17:19] <Sidewinder> Again, humblest apologies; I am aware that many of you have tried to 'decipher' the mistaken assumption that the ubuntu channels can/may be used as warez. I guess it'll just remain a "mystery of our times". Sorry for sausing you 'double duty', and thanks to you and all of the other ops for your most valued services. I think you all should get a raise! ;-)
[17:19] <IdleOne> hah. lets start by getting paid frst
[17:20] <IdleOne> first*
[17:20] <Sidewinder> That's a good start. :) Have a good one..
[18:53] <LjL> the "PPAs unsupported" thing is open to so many bad interpretations
[18:54] <LjL> now when someone has ppa-purged stuff, and things are not proper, they get told "well PPAs are unsupported". i don't think that means you are precluded from getting help trying to restore your system to a working state.
[22:58]  * bkerensa waves to maco
[22:58] <maco> hi
[23:37] <pragmaticenigma> IdleOne are you in here
[23:37] <IdleOne> I am
[23:38] <IdleOne> pragmaticenigma: you can PM me the message if you prefer
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> The issue was that NoOova asked at large if anyone used a flashblocking program. When I replied, he wanted to me to go to a link
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> that link was setup as a snare with malware to see if his coding could circumvent my flashblocking programing
[23:41] <IdleOne> I see. if we get any further complaints we will take action. I'm sure you understand we can't just go on the word of one person but we do appreciate you looking out for the channel.
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> I would ask that you at the very least see if he asks again, or yourself respond to his inquiry... I'm not about to risk my system security and have not replied further to him
[23:42] <IdleOne> I will keep him on watch.
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> much appreciated!
[23:43] <IdleOne> sure thing.
[23:47] <IdleOne> pragmaticenigma: Could you please PM me what was sent to you
 hello. i debug some service... could you open page without enabled flash, or with flashblock? and say wrom what country you are
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't get the link, but if you want, I can see if he still responds
[23:49] <genii-around> pragmaticenigma: I've sent them a message not to use #ubuntu for this kind of testing, we will see if they respod
[23:49] <genii-around> *respond
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> I think he's gone... but I really do appreciate the help
[23:49] <IdleOne> That is what we are here for :)
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> genii-around, IdleOne, he did respond and this is the URL ru.twitch.tv/bankr
[23:55] <genii-around> pragmaticenigma: No, they did not reply. If we get similar reports from other users some action may be taken.
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> genii-around: I think you might have misread... He sent me the link...
[23:57] <genii-around> pragmaticenigma: Yes, he wanted you to test his coding to bypass your flash blocking, and sent you the link in pm
[23:57] <genii-around> ( is my understanding so far )
[23:57] <pragmaticenigma> yes.. and I have posted up the link here... because I believe you asked if I had it
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> genii-around: you are correct
[23:58] <genii-around> It is good for us to know what it is, in case others report the same link being sent to them privately. So far it seems to be an isolated incident.
[23:59] <pragmaticenigma> I suppose I'm quick to think things like that... I work within the banking industry, so I'm more vigilant against such attacks...


[01:27] <snadge> bjsnider: are you still here? :p
[01:28] <snadge> i can confirm what you've said about some cards working fine.. and others working less than fine
[01:28] <snadge> (with xvba-video) .. but i have to strongly disagree about much better off using a multicore cpu
[01:28] <snadge> it is far far better to use xvba-video on chipsets which support it properly
[01:29] <snadge> and many low power cpus like atom and bobcat, just dont have the grunt to do it in software
[01:29] <snadge> but work perfectly in windows for that purpose
[01:29] <snadge> catalyst 10.7 should be out soon.. and i strongly strongly recommend ubuntu include that
[01:30] <snadge> rather than whatever the default policy is, which im assuming is to use the 10.6 which is currently in it at the moment
[01:30] <snadge> ubuntu should distribute the latest versions of drivers, with no exception.. at the time of release
[01:30] <snadge> i dont know how many times i've gone to install the "latest" version of ubuntu.. and it doesn't support the graphics card i happen to be using
[01:32] <tsimpson> oneiric is not the "latest" version, it's the development version :)
[01:32] <snadge> .. if that is unacceptable for whatever reason, then at least provide installables for the newer version, which easily replace the defaulted one
[01:32] <snadge> i know.. but by the time oneiric is released.. im presuming it will be distributed with catalyst 10.6
[01:32] <snadge> even if 10.8 is out by then
[01:33] <snadge> sorry my bad.. 11.6 and 11.8
[01:34] <smallfoot-> in some days alpha2 gets released
[01:35] <smallfoot-> im looking forward to it
[01:35] <smallfoot-> i hope its better than alpha1
[01:35] <smallfoot-> cuz 11.10 is looking to be real shitty
[01:35] <smallfoot-> 11.04 was awesome with gnome 2
[01:35] <smallfoot-> but 11.10 has unity, it sucks, and it has unity2d which sucks even more, and it has gnome3 which sucks
[01:35] <bazhang> !enter | smallfoot-
[01:36] <bazhang> smallfoot-, it sucks is hardly a support or bug fixing issue
[01:36] <smallfoot-> i hope kde 4.7 will be better than kde 4.6, its very pretty, but confusing and slow to use
[01:36] <bazhang> smallfoot-, and no cursing here, you know that
[01:36] <smallfoot-> ya, but i didnt cuss
[01:37] <smallfoot-> and gnome3 cant switch themes, i use gnome2 with dust, i like it
[01:37] <bazhang> smallfoot-, this is not the complaints channel, you know that as well.
[01:37] <smallfoot-> hmm
[01:37] <smallfoot-> but there is no complaints channel! :(
 cuz 11.10 is looking to be real shitty
[01:38] <smallfoot-> oh is that cursing
[01:38] <smallfoot-> hmm
[01:38] <bazhang> smallfoot-, correct. this is a bug fixing channel for those willing to run unstable development software
[01:38] <smallfoot-> well, i really love 11.04 with gnome2, its perfect except plymouth is broken
[01:38] <smallfoot-> but i dont like unity or gnome3 or kde, or windows or mac, so i dont know what to do
[01:38] <bazhang> smallfoot-, #ubuntu-offtopic is for chat. not here here nor #ubuntu is the place for this
[01:39] <smallfoot-> i tried fedora, but it uses gnome3 and is very bad,  i tried kubuntu, its pretty but not very friendly, its cluttered and bloated and confusing
[01:39] <bazhang> ...
[01:39] <smallfoot-> so im stuck with 11.04 forever
[01:40] <bazhang> smallfoot-, #ubuntu-offtopic Please
[01:40] <smallfoot-> ok
[01:41] <snadge> yeah less complaints .. more helpful suggestions
[01:41] <snadge> and no.. suggesting that it come with gnome2 instead, is probably going to fall on deaf ears
[01:42] <snadge> ubuntu likes to move forwards, even if that causes considerable pain and regressions.. because its the "right thing to do" .. all the developers have moved on, the users are supposed to too
[01:42] <Daekdroom> What about XFCE?
[01:42] <snadge> so rather than whinge that things dont work properly.. fix it.. or as suggested, take the convo to #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[01:44] <snadge> i must admit im eager to chat with bjsnider, about the negotiations with amd to distribute xvba-video
[01:44] <Daekdroom> If anything, I believe you can still install the classic gnome interface through apt-get, despite it no longer being shipped.
[01:45] <snadge> im also curious about compiz classic mode.. it doesn't appear to exist in 11.10
[01:45] <snadge> is that something thats installable as well?
[01:45] <Daekdroom> compiz classic gnome? Running gnome-panel and compiz?
[01:45] <snadge> i only have unity and unity2d options on my login
[01:45] <snadge> yeah
[01:46] <Daekdroom> Well, you can install the classic gnome session packages, but I'm not sure if it's compatible with compiz
[01:46] <snadge> it should be, thats how it worked with the older gnome
[01:46] <snadge> metacity for 2d, compiz for 3d
[01:47] <Daekdroom> gnome-session-fallback
[01:47] <snadge> dont tell me the new gnome comes with its own window manager?
[01:47] <snadge> *facepalm* :p
[01:48] <Daekdroom> Sort of.
[01:48] <Daekdroom> Well, actually, it does.
[01:49] <Daekdroom> It's called Mutter.
[01:49] <Daekdroom> but the fallback session uses metacity regardless
[01:49] <snadge> ok thats not so bad.. the question becomes whether mutter sucks, and if it does, can it be replaced with compiz
[01:50] <snadge> some people are resistant to change.. and may prefer having newer versions of system libraries, kernel etc.. but with the "classic" interface
[01:50] <Daekdroom> I don't think you can run GNOME Shell without Mutter, but Unity still runs Compiz .
[01:51] <snadge> ok so that basically means.. the classic interface is no longer supported, as of 11.10
[01:51] <Daekdroom> It is.
[01:51] <snadge> due to the move to gnome 3
[01:51] <Daekdroom> Metacity is still packaged.
[01:51] <charlie-tca> I would suggest trying Xubuntu! It uses Xfce instead of unity or Gnome or KDE
[01:51] <snadge> so unless gnome 3 has a "work like gnome 2" option.. you're either forced to use unity, or gnome 3.. or kde
[01:52] <charlie-tca> I would suggest trying Xubuntu! It uses Xfce instead of unity or Gnome or KDE
[01:52] <snadge> or no composited desktop.. metacity isn't classic desktop.. its retro classic desktop
[01:52] <snadge> or the dark ages
[01:52] <Daekdroom> as a matter of fact, unity-2d uses metacity.
[01:52] <Daekdroom> (or for some reason lists it as a dependency)
[01:52] <snadge> what i mean by classic is.. "gnome 2 + compiz"
[01:53] <Daekdroom> Oh. I could test that.
[01:53] <snadge> since thats been the way for the last.. 5 releases or so at least
[01:53] <snadge> and to suddenly not have that option.. is a bit of a shock to those who have been used to it for a few years
[01:53] <tsimpson> compiz only existed because matacity didn't "do" 3D
[01:54] <snadge> correct.. but thats straying from the point which is its what people are used to
[01:54] <snadge> if metacity did 3d.. and was used for the past few years.. then people would be used to that
[01:54] <Daekdroom> Be right back.
[01:54] <tsimpson> being used to something is not a valid reason to stick to it
[01:54] <snadge> i happen to like compiz personally.. and see no valid reason to change from it yet
[01:55] <snadge> unity doesn't do it for me in all situations.. and i personally havn't tried gnome 3.. but i might
[01:55] <snadge> being forced to change to something else.. isn't a valid reason to change either ;)
[01:55] <tsimpson> try it, then you can comment on how it's evil etc with some legitimacy ;)
[01:56] <snadge> you should present people with the option to change.. and if they change to it because its better.. then so mote it be
[01:56] <Daekdroom> It looks a bit ugly.
[01:56] <tsimpson> the developers no longer supporting gnome2 is a valid reason to 1) move to gnome3/other, or 2) fork it and maintain it yourself
[01:56] <Daekdroom> and doesn't support the indicators, I think
[01:57] <snadge> neither does unity
[01:57] <snadge> people who create regressions when making new versions of things.. should be stabbed repeatedly
[01:57] <tsimpson> yeah, because they do it intentionally...
[01:57] <snadge> new versions are supposed to be better and have improvements
[01:57] <Daekdroom> Gnome-panel is no longer customizable as well.
[01:58] <snadge> tsimpson: indicators not working.. is something thats obvious and must have been intentional
[01:58] <snadge> its not a bug.. the functionality just doesn't exist.. and yet, they release anyway
[01:58] <snadge> and expect people to upgrade to it.. its sad that free software works this way
[01:58] <Daekdroom> What do you mean?
[01:58] <snadge> microsoft or apple would never do that
[01:59] <tsimpson> yeah, apple wouldn't do something as silly as, um... I don't know... break the clock app...
[01:59] <snadge> cpu usage, network usage in the panel
[01:59] <Daekdroom> Oh. You're mixing up indicators with applets, I think.
[01:59] <snadge> im assuming thats whats meant by indicators.. the little panel apps
[01:59] <snadge> some of which are quite useful
[02:00] <Daekdroom> The new gnome panel doesn't support either, anyway. Indicators are slightly broken and applets are gone. It tries to mimetize the Gnome Shell topbar.
[02:00] <snadge> unity integrated some of that functionality into the unity panel.. but afaik, its not customisable
[02:00] <snadge> eg.. you cant add a cpu usage graph.. or frequency scaling app etc
[02:05] <snadge> so theres just going ot be no applets? eg.. cpu scaler etc
[02:06] <snadge> i only basically use weather, system monitor and frequency scaler
[02:07] <snadge> so if theres dock equivalents of those things.. i dont care
[09:16] <kjetilkWork> DebianImportFreeze is in effect now, right?
[09:26] <geser> yes
[09:50] <kjetilkWork> ok, good
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199800] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x50 SAct 0xf SErr 0x480900 action 0x6 frozen
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199809] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199816] ata1: SError: { UnrecovData HostInt 10B8B Handshk }
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199823] ata1.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199834] ata1.00: cmd 61/00:00:00:c4:00/04:00:2e:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 524288 out
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199837]          res 40/00:00:00:c4:00/00:00:2e:00:00/40 Emask 0x50 (ATA bus error)
[11:12] <dupondje> [12506.199843] ata1.00: status: { DRDY }
[11:12] <dupondje> µ
[11:12] <dupondje> this looks like a dying disk ? :) or
[11:13] <BigWhale> dupondje, I'd start making backups if I were you... :>
[11:13] <BigWhale> just in case
[11:15] <dupondje> true :D
[11:27] <dupondje> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[11:27] <dupondje> ah well
[11:28] <penguin42> i.e. 'don't panic - yet'
[11:29] <dupondje> its like a 2 month old laptop
[11:29] <dupondje> damn crap :)
[11:29] <penguin42> what symptoms made you run smart ?
[11:30] <dupondje> the message in dmesg :)
[11:30] <penguin42> sorry, I joined too late
[11:32] <dupondje> http://pastebin.com/qwYvDRyT
[11:32] <dupondje> something like this
[11:36] <penguin42> hmm that's not pretty
[11:36] <penguin42> I think that's saying it's the interface that's erroring not the drive
[11:37] <dupondje> yea seems so
[11:37] <penguin42> dupondje: In smartctl -a does anything show up in the SMART Error Log ?
[11:38] <dupondje> but the fact that somebody else has same pastebin makes me think its a driver issue :)
[11:38] <penguin42> hmm yes that's possible
[11:38] <penguin42> do you just get the one during startup or does it throw it randomly?
[11:38] <dupondje> No Errors Logged
[11:39] <dupondje> no errors :)
[11:39] <dupondje> randomly
[11:39]  * penguin42 would see if replacing the SATA cable helped
[11:41] <dupondje> not going to open my laptop :D
[11:41] <dupondje> or maby i'll do this afternoon :d
[11:42] <penguin42> ah yeh more of a pain on a laptop
[12:15] <ior3k> I find that I often "lose" either the keyboard or the mouse now
[12:15] <ior3k> the just stop working
[12:16] <ior3k> this happens mostly to the keyboard, but sometimes (like now) it happens to the mouse
[12:16] <ior3k> is anyone else experiencing this?
[12:17] <lucidfox> Why do Wine applications launched from Unity ignore winecfg settings?
[13:18] <astraljava> Hey guys, who would know about cdimages? Ubuntu Studio hasn't gotten new ones in two days.
[13:20] <yofel> astraljava: yesterdays builds failed http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/oneiric/daily-20110705.log
[13:21] <astraljava> yofel: Okay, thanks! That's too bad, because there were problems with libc6 on 20110704.
[14:47] <Daekdroom> Sad. My media keys on the keyboard aren't working anymore.
[14:49] <Daekdroom> If I had to guess, I'd say Clementine is no longer able to use gnome keybindings
[15:23] <CardinalFang> Nice!  Thunderbird used messaging menu now.  Just, I don't really want it to notice everything.  :(  ...  Hrm.
[16:25] <kim0|oneiric> Hi folks .. I just booted a live USB stick with oneiric. On my laptop, my USB keyboard + mouse are not working
[16:25] <penguin42> kim0|oneiric: Have you tried them in a different port? It's possible that it's not picking up something like one of the controllers
[16:25] <kim0|oneiric> one moment
[16:42] <kim0|oneiric> penguin42: I have 3 ports in that laptop .. one with the usb stick I'm booting from (this one works) the two others dont seem to work with the kb+mouse
[16:42] <penguin42> :-(
[16:42] <kim0|oneiric> that is scary :)
[16:42] <penguin42> kim0|oneiric: Given it's a laptop can you use the built in keyboard/mouse to see what's going on?
[16:42] <kim0|oneiric> yes I am using that now
[16:42] <kim0|oneiric> what commands do I run
[16:43] <penguin42> probably a dmesg would be worth it; you want to see if it actually sees the USB devices at all
[16:43] <kim0|oneiric> getting notifications as I plug in the devices
[16:43] <kim0|oneiric> in /var/log/syslog
[16:45] <penguin42> want to post the dmesg ?
[16:45] <kim0|oneiric> sure
[16:48] <kim0|oneiric> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/638959/
[16:48]  * kim0|oneiric afk for a few mins .. leave me msgs
[16:52] <penguin42> kim0|oneiric: Hmm dunno - it's good that it identifies it as a HID device
[16:56] <kim0|oneiric> penguin42: so where do I go from here ? file a bug or something ?
[16:56] <penguin42> kim0|oneiric: Yep file a bug
[16:57] <penguin42> kim0|oneiric: It might be worth seeing if the keyboard works in the text console from ctrl-alt-f1 (get back with ctrl-alt-f8 or f7)
[16:57] <penguin42> kim0|oneiric: If it doesn't work in either I'd file it against linux, if it only doesn't work in X I'd file it against xserver-xorg
[16:59] <kim0|oneiric> penguin42: nice it works in console
[16:59] <kim0|oneiric> xserver-xorg then
[21:00] <lookin4> i had windows xp on my one of my drives(another partition still ntfs) I installed ubuntu 10.10 on the windows xp partition by formatting it, still i get the grub with windows xp as one option.. how to fix this? ne1 help!!
[21:00] <Polarina> I just upgraded to 11.10 and when I rename a file in nautilus, and hit backspace, it crashes. Is this a known problem?
[21:01] <lookin4> @polarina.. wonder what these people r busy with??
[21:03] <BUGabundo> and here comes Firefox 8.0 :O
[21:03] <penguin42> Polarina: There was talk earlier of some nautilus known bugs being in the works; not sure of the detail
[21:04] <Polarina> Ok, nice. :)
[21:04] <trism> Polarina: I don't see any bugs for it on launchpad, may want to submit one, because I seem to be able to reproduce it here
[21:04] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:21] <trism> Polarina: actually sorry, just found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/805783
[21:27] <BUGabundo> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[21:27] <BUGabundo> more OOM :(
[21:51] <Daekdroom> Is Oneiric going to ship LibreOffice 3.4?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> !info libreoffice
[22:16]  * penguin42 looks at that list and wonders which was missing to make it an only-available-for
[22:21] <Daekdroom> penguin42, I didn't even know most of those existed in ubuntu
[22:22] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Even for debian what's missing?
[22:23] <Daekdroom> penguin42, some coding for ubottu to not display "only" every time, I suppose.
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> Hey, was wondering whether there was a known issue with gnome-shell on oneric atm.
[22:50] <trism> mrmcq2u: there is at least one if you installed recently, applications.menu was renamed to gnome-applications.menu in the gnome-menus package, so if you got to Activities then click Applications, gnome-shell will crash (lp: 801912)
[22:51] <trism> mrmcq2u: can work around it by: mkdir -p ~/.config/menus; cp /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menus
[23:00] <alex_mayorga> how borked is this? wondering if I should jump into oneiric today or wait fro alpha 2 tomorrow
[23:02] <alex_mayorga> anyone that has dist-upgraded today?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> me
[23:04] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: did it make you cry?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I have a bunch of packages on HOLD
[23:05] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:06] <charlie-tca> It would be best if no one upgrades Xubuntu. It seems pretty much broken.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> 28 packages upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:07] <alex_mayorga> I have plain vanilla ubuntu, but I've been jumping in from alpha to alpha for about 2 years or so
[23:07] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:07] <BUGabundo> and then 5 lines of apps
[23:07] <alex_mayorga> should I re-install stable and then go to alpha or should I be OK?
[23:08] <alex_mayorga> am I trying my luck too hard :)
[23:08] <BUGabundo> already reinstaled 11.10 twice
[23:08] <BUGabundo> don't recall doing that on any other cycle
[23:08] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: any particular reason?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> This should be a "really" good release then. It has plenty of breakage already!
[23:11] <alex_mayorga> 30 packages ditched and 6 no longer needed, seems reasonable
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> let's see how long does my "2MB/s" connection takes :)
[23:12]  * penguin42 would like his compiz to be unbroken - I guess I'm going to have to find that seg myself
[23:13] <alex_mayorga> 1389 files coming from the "interwebs
[23:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I have composite
[23:19] <BUGabundo> I'm amazed I have composite
[23:19] <BUGabundo> it was broken for months
[23:19] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: it was good meeting you. see you next cicle :)
[23:20] <penguin42> BUGabundo: unity-panel-services segs for me in datetime stuff
[23:20] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: I'll hang around until release ;)
[23:20] <alex_mayorga> got notified that newer kernel might solve my nvidia freezes with nouveau so I'm jumping in
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I can't even boot up without freezy
[23:21] <BUGabundo> at least now gets up to X
[23:21] <BUGabundo> but then its all black
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: not making me more confident :)
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: have you tried turning off all acceleration?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> its *broken* to me
[23:24] <BUGabundo> but no one else complaing that much
[23:24] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: no
[23:24] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: got nvidia card? 11.04 wouldn't work at all with any kind of acceleration
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I had to change from nouveau to nvidia
[23:26] <BUGabundo> nouveua wasn't recognising my card or my screen
[23:27] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: vendor system or your own rig?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> OEM
[23:33] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: model, make?
[23:35] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: better yet, the bug afflicting you?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> no  idea
[23:35] <BUGabundo> can't see much in the logs
[23:36] <BUGabundo> nothing to report
[23:36] <BUGabundo> except: won't boot properly
[23:36] <BUGabundo> hangs up after init screats
[23:37] <alex_mayorga> I'd say you should at least file a "doesn't boot" bug with your system details, just "for the record"
[23:37] <alex_mayorga> might save trouble to a fellow "ubuntero" with the same hardware at least ;)
[23:59] <alex_mayorga> gdm or lightgdm?


[03:36] <veebers> Anyone know what the equiv. link now is for this old one? https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick.qtquick-qmlscene/
[15:11] <jhodapp> balloons, just wanted to update you in case you're curious, figured out a way to conditionally run my integrations tests in the silo for qmake with: "system(uname -a | grep arm):SUBDIRS += integration"
[15:17] <balloons> jhodapp, ahh you put it in qmake!
[15:17] <jhodapp> yes :)
[15:18] <balloons> I'll have to file that away. That's one way to do it :-)
[15:18] <jhodapp> indeed, could have done a similar thing in the test .cpp file too
[16:42] <teward> anyone installing wily in a VM environment seeing weird interface names?
[16:45] <teward> (like, ens## instead of eth##)
[16:48] <teward> where do we report weirdless like that
[16:48] <teward> or did i miss a "This is intentional" notice
[19:00] <balloons> teward, weird interface names?
[19:00] <teward> balloons: see +1
[19:00] <teward> balloons: i figured out it's a systemd predictable interface thing
[19:00] <teward> but i discovered something even more evil
[19:00] <teward> o you aren't there
[19:01] <teward> balloons: anyways, installed system gets interface names by systemd, per http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ is my guess
[19:01] <teward> balloons: but the installer ISO uses kernel unpredictable, eth##
[19:01] <teward> so in my VM, it's ens## on the installed...
[19:01] <balloons> teward, ahh, gotcha
[19:01] <teward> but in the installer, it's eth##
[19:01] <balloons> I was going to suggest as much. Names can easily be changed when something decides to name them by default
[19:02] <teward> so the installed /etc/network/interfaces is wrong
[19:02] <teward> balloons: the bigger problem is the reboot with the discrepancy in the -server ISOs comes up with broken networking
[19:02] <teward> because eth0 != systemd naming
[19:02] <teward> TJ- was poking it in +1
[19:02] <balloons> teward, this has the workings of a nice bug report
[19:03] <teward> where/how shalt I report it?
[19:03] <teward> balloons: this is with the daily from the 9th
[19:03] <teward> i haven't used the 10ths daily yet
[19:03] <teward> my guess is same deal, but we could file bug and "Incomplete" in the interim
[19:03] <teward> i just don't know where to file it
[19:03] <balloons> teward, yea, I doubt today's iso is different
[19:03] <teward> balloons: where/what to file against?
[19:04] <balloons> seeing as the new systemd JUST landed
[19:04] <balloons> can you check your version
[19:04] <teward> one moment
[19:04] <balloons> do you have systemd (222-1ubuntu1)?
[19:04] <teward> i have to reboot the VM xD
[19:04] <balloons> :p
[19:05] <balloons> I would report against systemd I thin
[19:05] <teward> ack
[19:05] <teward> but i was dropped into a busybox shell so heh
[19:05] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+filebug
[19:05] <teward> 222-1ubuntu2, balloons
[19:05] <teward> does ubuntu-bug still work in wily?
[19:05] <balloons> should, give it a whirl
[19:06] <teward> oh wait
[19:06] <balloons> teward, than yes, you have the new version
[19:06] <teward> pfft it didn't update to it
[19:06] <teward> one moment
[19:06] <teward> let me reboot and test
[19:06] <teward> upgrade*
[19:08] <teward> balloons: i also assume that's a crit level bug?
[19:08] <teward> :P
[19:08] <teward> if it reproduces
[19:08] <teward> although i'm almost 100% certain this is still valid
[19:09] <teward> because busybox sysvinit/upstart vs. systemd
[19:09] <teward> balloons: what generates /etc/network/interfaces during install?
[19:10] <teward> balloons: also not sure if a security hole, but nonsuperuser can `shutdown -r now` without sudo
[19:10] <teward> DoS vector
[19:11] <teward> balloons: confirmed: installer from the 9th's image detects it as eth0, eth1, systemd detects as ens33, ens34
[19:12] <teward> and the installed /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work so networking doesn't autoconfigure
[19:12] <teward> (it installs with eth0, rather than ens33)
[19:12] <teward> so, less a systemd bug, more an installer failure bug
[19:13] <balloons> teward, using ubiquity or debian installer?
[19:13] <teward> balloons: whatever ships with the ISO, since I"m a VMware person
[19:13] <teward> so my guess is ubiquity
[19:13] <balloons> teward, yes ubiquity
[19:14] <balloons> so I perhaps have it affect both
[19:14] <balloons> systemd might be marked invalid or not
[19:14] <teward> ack i'll file against systemd and ubiquity
[19:22] <teward> balloons: my guess is a crit level bug though?
[19:23] <teward> given that it fails to install the correct settings for networking?
[19:25] <teward> I've set it to high for now
[19:25] <teward> but eh
[19:27] <balloons> yea, definitely high
[19:29] <teward> balloons: [2015-07-10 15:28:44] <cyphermox> teward: ubiquity when you install in graphical, netcfg otherwise.  <--
[19:29] <teward> perhaps it needs included against netcfg as well?
[19:29] <teward> I used the 'text graphical interface' but not sure if that counts as a gui
[19:29] <cyphermox> I'm not sure, it might just work magically well with netcfg
[19:29] <balloons> aghh.. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is down again
[19:29] <cyphermox> this is all pitti's fault :)
[19:30] <balloons> that was my thought :-)
[19:30] <cyphermox> that said
[19:31] <cyphermox> teward: why should there be an eth* or ens* if you're instlaling with ubiquity?
[19:31] <cyphermox> (the answer is, normally there shouldn't, as it should be managed by NM)
[19:31] <teward> cyphermox: confusion of ISO - ubuntu-server-iso
[19:31] <cyphermox> ah!
[19:31] <cyphermox> then netcfg it is :)
[19:32] <cyphermox> I'm somewhat surprised that it doesn't just work too
[19:32] <cyphermox> perhaps there is a file from systemd/udev or something in the installer environment
[19:33] <cyphermox> things should just be detecting the interface name and using ifconfig or getifbyname and whatnot
[19:35] <teward> IDK, i was going to test the 20150710 iso but eh
[19:35] <teward> probably still going to remain an issue
[19:52] <jhodapp> when building in a wily armhf silo, is /sbin/stop and /sbin/start present?