[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[00:33] <akk> It's the famous California hissing duck! Call the Audubon Society!
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> asxxxxxxccvvvbbmm,.'
[00:33] <DarkwingDuck> kubuntuguide.infodghkkkl;'
[00:35] <philipballew> ^ NICE!
[00:48] <DarkwingDuck> Dang it.
[00:48] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry, I should collect this and write a short book "When kids attack keyboards in chatrooms"
[00:51] <MarkDude> lol
[00:57] <akk> Or a twitter feed, @shitmykidstypeinirc
[01:04] <MarkDude> rofl
[01:04] <MarkDude> +1
[01:16]  * MarkDude really likes how even the kid must type Kubuntu- give em a chance to - and we will get a KDE guide
[01:16] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, will you punish your kid for using Gnome?
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> Nope
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> My wife used gnome till recently
[01:17] <MarkDude> :)
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> Now if they start using opensuse... :P:P (Kidding)
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> Although, If I get this Canonical job...
[01:30] <grantbow> gl with that
[01:33] <MarkDude> Is there a meeting tonight?
[01:39] <grantbow> yes
[02:04] <MarkDude> ty
[02:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11May22 edited
[02:25] <grantbow> scott-ian: just my opinion, but "What People Think About Unity" is a little bit too broad of a topic for the -us-ca meeting. We also have had problems in the past with last minute agenda edits so I ask that at least 24 hours warning is given so people can prepare for a useful, informed and fruitful discussion.
[02:28] <akk> I agree -- sounds like a fine discussion but why make it part of a meeting?
[02:28] <akk> Since it's not anything the team needs to (or could) act upon as a team.
[02:33] <grantbow> logs can be dug up if necessary but it seems fairly logical to me that last minute agenda edits are less than fair though I recognize there was an invitation to do so via email for this meeting
[02:34] <MarkDude> Yay Cali Team the wiki edit battleground
[02:34]  * MarkDude kids
[02:38] <grantbow> scott-ian: are you around?
[02:38] <scott-ian> Where would one discuse such a topic?
[02:39] <grantbow> how about right here right now outside the meting?
[02:39] <grantbow> short meetings are not a crime IMHO
[02:40] <grantbow> it's alwmost summer and people get busy
[02:40] <scott-ian> Ok, what do you think of Unity?  I soon decieded to use the Gnome Shell.
[02:40] <grantbow> or #ubuntu :-)
[02:40] <grantbow> I think it's a bold departure.
[02:41] <grantbow> as I haven't been able to run gnome shell yet I can't contrast them much yet
[02:41] <akk> I don't use unity -- seems super limited compared to what I want to do -- but then I don't use gnome either.
[02:42] <grantbow> so to use gnome shell you have to disable unity and vica versa I heard
[02:43] <akk> No, just log in differently. My husband switches back and forth.
[02:43] <grantbow> the problems I heard about were fixed? cool
[02:45] <scott-ian> I found that the Gnome Shell is good.  The only advantage I can think of for unity is that it uses compiz, which is considered a bad thing to some.  Any Other advantages?
[02:46] <akk> unity is a bit more flexible than gnome3, easier to customize and easier to do things like shut down. But they're really very similar. (So I'm told.)
[02:47] <scott-ian> I found Unity and the Gnome Shell are very diferent.  Unity is not very customizable, but Gnome Shell extentions provide great customizability.
[02:48] <akk> gnome2, or 3?
[02:48] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11May22 edited
[02:48] <scott-ian> Gnome 3.  Gnome 2 is great, but it has reached its end.
[02:49] <akk> okay, maybe the husband hasn't discovered these extensions you mention.
[02:50] <akk> It took him weeks even to figure out how to shut the machine down from gnome3 (turns out you have to hold the alt key while you mouse over the logout menu).
[02:51] <scott-ian> A Gnome Shell extention changes that. See http://blog.fpmurphy.com/ for details on that.
[02:51] <grantbow> uh, Unity is gnome 2.32 and gnome-shell runs on gnome 3? http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2011/03/03/gnome3-on-ubuntu/
[02:52]  * akk will stick with openbox
[02:53] <grantbow> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-common-gnome-3-issues-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty.html
[02:53] <grantbow> says "Note:- This will remove unity"
[02:54] <grantbow> I found these with a simple google for "natty gnome 3"
[02:55] <grantbow> there were also several relevant UDS sessions a few weeks back that are worthwhile if you are interested in these things. I can dig up URLs after the meeting if you like
[02:55] <akk> Turns out I was confused -- d has been doing his gnome3 testing on arch, says it works much better there than on natty.
[02:56] <akk> He did install the natty version briefly, but couldn't get it to do much and gave up on it.
[02:56] <akk> So maybe they don't coexist.
[02:56] <grantbow> 5 minute warning
[02:57] <scott-ian> I'm running it on Ubuntu.  It will work with Unity in 6 months though!
[02:57] <jdeslip> Hello All :)
[02:57] <icarus81> Hello
[02:58] <jdeslip> Should be a short meeting tonight :)
[03:00] <aaditya> Evenin', California.
[03:00] <aaditya> How's everyone doing tonight?
[03:00] <jdeslip> Pretty good
[03:01] <icarus81> alright slow weekend
[03:01] <jdeslip> OK, let's get started on the meeting
[03:01] <jdeslip> ------------------ Meeting Start --------------------
[03:01] <jdeslip> Raise your hand if you around for the meeting.
[03:01] <jdeslip> Currently we have no agenda items
[03:01] <aaditya> o/
[03:01] <grantbow> o/
[03:02] <akk> o/
[03:02] <icarus81> o/
[03:02] <jdeslip> OK - lets start with announcements.  Anyone have any?
[03:03] <jdeslip> We (pliea2) got a shipment of Natty CDs and they being spread throughout the state.  If you haven't heard about that that, please check out the email list.
[03:03] <jdeslip> You can request some for a good cause of your choice.
[03:04] <jdeslip> Any other announcements from anyone?
[03:05] <MarkDude> \o
[03:05] <grantbow> http://uds.ubuntu.com/ was fun
[03:05] <MarkDude> Maker Faire effin rocked
[03:06] <jdeslip> In case anyone is new or lurking, I want to remind them of the ongoing Ubuntu-hour events around the state: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[03:06] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Glad to hear it.
[03:06] <aaditya> Maker Faire +1
[03:06]  * jdeslip wanted to see the Android ADK stuff
[03:07] <aaditya> That would have been nice. I wonder why Google didn't have much of it at Maker Faire.
[03:07] <jdeslip> OK, so if there are no more announcements.  Does anyone want to bring anything else up?
[03:07] <jdeslip> aaditya: I thought Google had a whole booth of it there?
[03:08] <jdeslip> at least I saw lots of picks
[03:08] <grantbow> Google I/O was interesting too from the videos I had time to watch
[03:08] <MarkDude> Jono has a loud music show upcoming next month with the new drummer
[03:08] <aaditya> They did, but didn't have much to show off there, as compared to what they had at Google I/O - e.g. a 20'x16' labyrinth powered by ADK.
[03:09] <jdeslip> OK. If there are no other agenda items etc... let's call this to a close.  (Record?)
[03:09] <MarkDude> June 17th https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=188586747853015
[03:09] <grantbow> sounds like no more pressing or relevant team business
[03:09]  * MarkDude has nuthin'
[03:10] <jdeslip> Summer is pretty quiet - we will have some more stuff to plan shortly.
[03:10] <jdeslip> ------------------------------  Meeting Ends -----------------------
[03:10] <jdeslip> Thanks for coming by all.
[03:10] <aaditya> Awesome.
[03:10] <akk> I was surprised (though shouldn't have been) that Maker Faire wasn't a great place to learn tech details of anything.
[03:10] <MarkDude> The Google setup was rather meager jdeslip
[03:10] <grantbow> Thanks jdeslip
[03:10] <aaditya> akk: my thoughts exactly!
[03:11] <akk> More stand around going "whoa, that's ... big" at things from a distance.
[03:11] <jdeslip> MarkDude: ah, that is too bad.  I am going to get set on the ADK soon..
[03:11] <akk> Whenever I tried to get close to anything and find out more about it, I gave up, too much noise and crowding.
[03:11] <aaditya> Maybe I was overexpecting, however.
[03:11]  * MarkDude saw much of it as - make mental not to check these people out online
[03:11] <MarkDude> note
[03:11] <jdeslip> Were than any Linux/Ubuntu related booths there?
[03:11] <akk> yeah, to find out anything you really have to check online later
[03:11] <aaditya> My hopes were high at the battleship arena.
[03:12]  * MarkDude got covered in mentos/diet coke- that made it worth it
[03:12] <akk> I wanted to see that, but it was a 2-hr wait 'til the next show.
[03:12] <akk> I was surprised how many empty stages there were with nothing going on for hours.
[03:12] <akk> (same with the mentos one)
[03:12] <MarkDude> The battleship thing was dead- I think they were broken during the day
[03:12] <aaditya> It ended with no explosions, and the game was a draw after random shipping nailing each other and then resurfacing.
[03:12] <grantbow> mentos guys were there again? nice!
[03:12] <MarkDude> You could not tell which ships were on which side
[03:13] <MarkDude> like lack of flags was not helpful
[03:13] <MarkDude> They needed flamethrowers
[03:13] <aaditya> ...yes, and couldn't even spot the neutral target ship most of the time.
[03:13] <jyo> So they had a battleship thing this year instead of battlebots?
[03:13] <MarkDude> It should have had a flag
[03:14] <MarkDude> they should have had a balsa wood ship at the end- that would have made it worth it
[03:14] <aaditya> MarkDude: they could have painted the ships red/blue.
[03:14] <MarkDude> It WAS more exciting for a bit - when a kid above us got nailed in the head with a 1/4 steel ball
[03:15] <jdeslip> hopefully not in the eye
[03:15] <akk> Shot by one of the ships?
[03:15] <grantbow> drama near MarkDude? never
[03:15] <aaditya> I also didn't understand why most of the ships were floating on the corner opposite to where the target was located.
[03:15] <aaditya> jdeslip: we all had protective glasses, so eyes were safe.
[03:15] <MarkDude> grantbow, lol
[03:16] <eps> So, it was all fun and games, then?
[03:16]  * MarkDude was hella tempted to get in the water- and be Godzilla - and attack the city
[03:16] <akk> haha
[03:16] <MarkDude> rawr
[03:16] <aaditya> MarkDude: should have done that with the penguin suit on.
[03:16] <akk> That would've rocked.
[03:17] <akk> TUXZILLA!
[03:17] <grantbow> like he needs encouragement
[03:17] <MarkDude> No doubt- Noelle had her flip- and my Tux WAS actually in the jeep
[03:17] <akk> I was impressed how many people were in renfaire-type costume. Didn't expect that.
[03:18] <akk> "It's like ren faire ... with flamethrowers!"
[03:18] <MarkDude> lol
[03:18] <aaditya> They could have installed the plasma welding gun on a ship...
[03:19] <MarkDude> and quite a bit of bustier and other steampunk gear- and roughly 1/2 the people had goggles of some sort
[03:19] <MarkDude> The plasma welder was cool
[03:19] <akk> I wish they'd had a section kinda like the "dot org pavilion" at oscon for random little electronics/computer/arduino projects.
[03:20] <aaditya> yeah, electronics was what I was hoping to see there the most.
[03:20] <aaditya> TechShop was bleh.
[03:20] <akk> There were some of those projects, but mostly in the kiddie hall where it was hard to find them.
[03:20] <akk> and impossible to get close to anything
[03:20] <MarkDude> We can get some of them for East Bay Maker Faire
[03:21] <akk> I couldn't even get in to TechShop -- stood at the door for a while and couldn't get past the crowds.
[03:21]  * MarkDude will let people know when it will be
[03:21] <MarkDude> techshop was ok
[03:21] <MarkDude> they had 3d printers
[03:21] <aaditya> They've been showing off 3D printers for years now.
[03:21] <MarkDude> and wooden ties
[03:21] <MarkDude> :P
[03:21] <akk> I expected to see a lot more 3d printer type stuff.
[03:21]  * MarkDude did want more robots
[03:21] <eps> Wooden ties? Like on railroad tracks?
[03:22] <grantbow> akk: there are three at noisebridge.net in operation if you want to use one
[03:22] <MarkDude> eps, like wearable
[03:22] <MarkDude> as in suit and tie
[03:22] <eps> I bet someone's making ties out of bamboo these days.
[03:23] <akk> I have a bamboo towel (xmas present, and it's really nice)
[03:23] <akk> It's very soft, oddly enough.
[03:23] <akk> And super dense.
[03:23] <eps> Technically it's a grass.
[03:24] <MarkDude> bamboo towel?
[03:24] <MarkDude> cool
[03:25] <akk> I think it's from here: http://www.bamboomoon.net/
[03:28] <akk> I was also hoping I'd find out about lots of amazing maker groups in the south bay that I could join
[03:28] <akk> but even the groups who were recruiting ("come take our classes!") never said where they were, so you just have to take a flyer and google later
[03:30] <akk> grantbow: d is currently installing gnome3 on his natty machine, will report soon whether unity gets removed.
[03:30] <akk> but it didn't *say* it was going to remove it
[03:42] <akk> grantbow: Looks like you're right -- after installing and rebooting, the login fails and dumps into a terminal (because autologin to unity failed).
[03:53] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=328804572620
[03:54] <MarkDude> Pi day awesomeness in 2015
[21:03] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  http://ubuntuone.com/p/v8S/
[21:04] <pleia2> nhaines: yay! :)
[21:04] <nhaines> Count looks good too.
[21:55] <MarkDude> Is Apple a religion? Maybe >>>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/religion/faith-and-values/sfl-fv-blog-apple,0,5968854.story
[21:56] <MarkDude> Mri scans of Mac folks- this makes me think I need to continue with my Linux *is* a cult talks
[23:48]  * DarkwingDuck waves


[15:27] <moha> Hi
[15:29] <moha> I have installed microstack within a VM (=<IP_ADDRESS>) and I can access the Horizon console on this IP from outside of the VM; When I create a machine in this Microstack, it generates an IP in the range of 10.20.x.x for the machine. How can I access to this machine (ex: <IP_ADDRESS>) over the VM IP? I mean opening that <IP_ADDRESS> outside of the VM; I was thinking of having a router within the VM alongside the microstack, right?
[15:40] <RoyK> moha: both 172.16.* and 10.* are addresses specified in rfc1918 - they are non-routable on the internet and typically have a nat router in front where you setup which ports should be forwarded to them
[15:40] <RoyK> moha: alongside 192.168.*
[15:41] <moha> I the 172 NATing is handled by the hypervisor. but I whant somehow route that <IP_ADDRESS> throught 172.x on a specific port
[15:42] <moha> want*
[15:42] <RoyK> dunno - this isn't really standard ubuntu as far as I know, though
[15:43] <moha> Ubuntu is installed within the VM; Microstack's installed on Ubuntu.
[15:43] <moha> Should I search for "How to configure Ubuntu as a router"?
[15:51] <RoyK> I guess you'll figure that out in Microstack
[15:53] <RoyK> I don't use that - I use kvm/libvirt - with that I use a bridge on my server (debian, not ubuntu, but generally the same thing), so that the VMs can connect to the network like anything else behind the router. It also allows for direct non-nat access for IPv6, which is nice
[15:53] <RoyK> !bridge
[15:54] <RoyK> https://www.tecmint.com/create-network-bridge-in-ubuntu/ might do
[16:52] <znf> what's that new annoying thing in 22.04 that asks you about services to be restarted every damn time you use apt?
[16:56] <znf> answer: 'needrestart' package
[16:57] <frickler> znf: if you find a way to disable that, I'd be interested to hear about it, too
[16:57] <znf> just remove the needrestart package
[16:57] <znf> I don't need that sort of negativity in my life
[17:00] <frickler> oh, easy, thx
[17:04] <RoyK> Your mouse moved! Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect.
[19:04] <ahasenack> does anybody know if I should get (slightly) better performance when using Soft-RoCE instead of the normal network stack? For example, for an NFS server?
[19:05] <ahasenack> in a couple of test vms, I got actually 3x better performance without RoCE, but I'm unsure how much the fact these are VMs is interfering
[19:05] <ahasenack> (and they used virtio networking)
[19:05] <patdk-lap> well, vm changes everything so
[19:06] <sarnold> i've never heard of soft-roce but i'm not too surprised to hear virtio networking is pretty good already
[19:07] <patdk-lap> the advantages of rdma just go downhill quick when using jumbo frames and expecially using tso, rso, gro, ...
[19:07] <patdk-lap> lro I mean
[19:07] <patdk-lap> it's more the large packet rollups that make it all feel good
[19:07] <patdk-lap> offloading all those packet stuff to hardware
[19:08] <patdk-lap> I found using infiniband with max mtu size, 64k I think, was near as fast as rdma
[19:08] <patdk-lap> and that is what offloading gets you without having to use extra large mtu sizes
[19:16] <ahasenack> I'll try on real hardware next (but still not specialized hardware, just off-the-shelf nics)
[19:16] <patdk-lap> what nic? most nics will support it
[19:16] <ahasenack> whatever is in my laptops :)
[19:17] <patdk-lap> oh, not good nics at all
[19:17] <ahasenack> some generic intel gigabit I think
[19:17] <patdk-lap> but should still support offloading
[19:17] <ahasenack> I mean, it's *soft* RoCE
[19:17] <ahasenack> I'm not expecting a leap
[19:17] <ahasenack> but was wondering if it would be better, since it would bypass the network stack, IIRC
[19:18] <ahasenack> or at least similar
[19:18] <patdk-lap> well, it's just rdma hasn't been a huge push, since all the large packet offload and scatter/gather offload features got added to nics
[19:18] <patdk-lap> the improvement of using rdma was very complex and minimal when compared
[19:18] <ahasenack> I see
[19:18] <patdk-lap> the network stack in linux is so ideally tuned (for tcp atleast)
[19:18] <patdk-lap> it's kindof hard to do better :)
[19:19] <patdk-lap> anything is possible, and everything is highly different outcomes depending on exact usecase so :)
[19:20] <patdk-lap> when I did my big testing in 2011, jumboframes and rdma was ideal
[19:20] <patdk-lap> but then a few years later, neither made sense, cause of large offloads, I even debated moving all my jumboframes back to 1500 mtu
[19:20] <patdk-lap> but overall lazeness said, keep it the same, conversion takes time and energy :)
[19:33] <ahasenack> well, this started with me trying to make sure rdma was being used, and the performance difference confirmed it, I just didn't expect it to be 3x slower ;)
[19:33] <ahasenack> but I'll try outside of a vm next, to be more fair
[22:45] <blackboxsw> Hey folks, I just responded to a bug about lintian warnings we are receiving in cloud-init packaging because of the ~XX.YY.1 diminshed package version syntax "W: cloud-init source: binary-nmu-debian-revision-in-source 22.2-0ubuntu1~18.04.2"   If anyone gets a chance to look my response over tomorrow for corrections/omissions  that'd be great
[22:45] <blackboxsw>  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1014584#18
[22:46] <blackboxsw> it seems something changes in lintian within the last 6 months/year related to nmu version handling that is generating these lintian warnings as I don't recall seeing them during package builds even last year and cloud-init packaging has used the ~XX.YY.Z syntax for quite some time.


[03:15] <paultag_> maco, http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/4983006679_443b5b8cc3.jpg
[05:53] <duanedesign> paultag: still around?
[07:56] <ara> good morning all!
[07:58] <kim0_3G> ara: morning :)
[07:58]  * kim0_3G waves hi to everyone
[07:58] <ara> morning kim0_3G
[08:00]  * nigelb waves too
[08:00] <nigelb> kim0_3G: on phone? ;)
[08:00] <kim0_3G> nah laptop over 3G stick
[08:01] <nigelb> ah
[08:02] <czajkowski> morning
[08:02] <kim0_3G> czajkowski: morning :)
[08:04] <nigelb> morning czajkowski :)
[08:06] <czajkowski> good weekend folks?
[08:07] <kim0_3G> yep for me :)
[08:07] <kim0_3G> czajkowski: how about yourself
[08:07] <nigelb> oh, YES!
[08:07]  * nigelb traveled close to 1000 km, fun
[08:07] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:08] <czajkowski> rugby and catching up on movies and with my sister
[08:08] <czajkowski> all good
[08:09] <duanedesign> ,5
[08:10] <nigelb> duanedesign: #fail? ;)
[08:10] <nigelb> morning AlanBell :)
[08:10] <duanedesign> lol, trying to type in the dark
[08:10] <nigelb> that's a subtle hint to go to bed :p
[08:11] <duanedesign> , isnt even that close to /  big fail :)
[08:11] <czajkowski> I got my cousins holloween costume http://twitpic.com/2n2o1x  more cute than scarey
[08:12] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/2nruzm  mothership and caoimhe
[08:12] <AlanBell> czajkowski: this would be good: http://www.hookandneedles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/nibbler1.jpg
[08:13] <duanedesign> nigelb: think your right. cya friends in a few hours o/
[08:13] <nigelb> duanedesign: good night :)
[08:14] <czajkowski> right need to drop princess to work
[08:14] <czajkowski> bbiab
[08:15] <nigelb> how sweet :D
[08:15] <nigelb> (she is going to stab me, I know)
[08:47] <czajkowski> heh
[08:47] <czajkowski> well just saves her the walk and it looks lie it's going to rain
[08:47] <czajkowski> plus she's in great form as she got her apprenticeship sorted finally
[08:48] <nigelb> :)
[08:54]  * jussi is getting excited/scared
[08:55]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[08:55] <nigelb> I hope your feet are toasty warm
[08:55] <jussi> hehe
[08:55] <jussi> not yet
[08:56] <nigelb> jussi: 2 weeks to go?
[08:56] <jussi> 12 days
[08:56] <jussi> :D
[08:56] <nigelb> He has it counted down to he minute...... :p
[08:56] <nigelb> *the minute
[08:57] <dpm> morning all
[08:59] <ara> buenas dpm
[09:00] <dpm> hey ara, buenas
[09:02] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[09:02] <dpm> morning nigelb :)
[09:45] <nigelb> popey: greetings alien :p
[09:45] <popey> :)
[09:46]  * nigelb tries to find the Debian folks for that
[09:48] <nigelb> popey: lool, or siretart would be good people to talk to about it.
[09:48] <nigelb> they both have upload rights in debian for that package
[10:23] <dpm> hey kim0_3G, with your fancy nick I hadn't noticed you were around :)
[10:23] <dpm> how's the 3G connection doing?
[10:55] <kim0_3G> dpm: hehe, it's a bit spotty
[10:55] <kim0_3G> dpm: how are you today
[10:56] <dpm> kim0_3G, fine, a quiet Monday so far. How are things in Cairo? Or are you on the road somewhere?
[10:58] <kim0_3G> dpm: I'm actually spending the week in a coastal city
[10:59] <dpm> kim0_3G, nice!
[11:00] <dpm> so you're with your laptop on the beach, cocktail next to it... and all that business? :)
[11:00] <kim0_3G> yeah :)
[11:00] <kim0_3G> hehe .. not that fancy but still nice
[11:00] <dpm> cool ;)
[11:28] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:28] <kim0_3G> hola duanedesign
[11:28] <dpm> hey duanedesign
[11:29] <duanedesign> 'lo communitinians
[11:30] <duanedesign> or communinites :)
[13:39] <scott-work> doctormo:  are you around?  I'd like to talk to you about your wizardpen support :)
[13:51]  * dpm lunch
[14:36] <doctormo> scott-work: Yes I am around
[15:02] <scott-work> doctormo:  persia told me some about you maintaining the upstream tablet support (wizardpen)
[15:02] <scott-work> doctormo: your effort it certainly appreciated and i would like Ubuntu Studio to support his
[15:02] <scott-work> s/his/this
[15:02] <doctormo> scott-work: Organising the upstream yes, not so much on the programming side, but sorting out the patches, people and downstream.
[15:03] <scott-work> doctormo: i would like to get it into the ubuntu studio seeds for natty so we can provide support out of the box
[15:03] <doctormo> scott-work: persia said you would like to support it, I've got a debian guy working on some packaging.
[15:03] <scott-work> doctormo: outstanding
[15:04] <doctormo> scott-work: So far we've had sucessful reports from Ubuntu and Mint users, failures for SuSE (not sure why, suspect Xorg version)
[15:04] <doctormo> so we need to be careful of xorg versions and where the tablet support drifts for natty, wacom support is the best and yet it's still needs patching for maverik.
[15:05] <scott-work> doctormo: i don't intend to impugn your  debian packer's abilities, but if you run into trouble please let me know, the ubuntu studio team is working with the debian multimedia team and they freaking rock!
[15:06] <doctormo> scott-work: Hold that thought, I jsut got a facinating email concerning wizardpen, can you give me your email address so I can CC you?
[15:19] <scott-work> doctormo: sure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:20] <doctormo> scott-work: OK just had to join about 10 dots in that email, it's very coincidental that we should be talking at the same time as receiving that. :-D
[15:22] <scott-work> doctormo: serendipitous indeed :-)
[15:24] <doctormo> scott-work: What kind of tablet do you have?
[15:29] <scott-work> doctormo: i do not own a tablet
[15:30] <doctormo> scott-work: More of a keyboard man?
[15:30] <scott-work> doctormo: but i see that the debian packager you are working with is the same one that i am familiar with :D
[15:31] <scott-work> doctormo: i'm not really a robust artistic type, if i am inspired i usually use pencil although i have been using inkscape more and more though
[15:35] <doctormo> scott-work: I do my abominably awful daily sketches in inkscape with the tablet http://doctormo.deviantart.com/gallery/#_browse/scraps
[15:45] <scott-work> doctormo:  so far i've really only used inkscape to work on logo and other ubuntu studio related items:  http://scottalavender.deviantart.com/gallery/
[15:46] <scott-work> doctormo: although i'm beginning to be intrigued by the potential of tablets
[15:46] <doctormo> scott-work: See if you can find a second hand wizardpen on cragies list, that'd sure help :-D
[15:53] <jono> hey all!
[15:55] <kim0_3G> jono: howdy :)
[15:55] <jono> hey kim0_3G
[15:55] <jono> kim0_3G, 3G? laptop down?
[15:55] <kim0_3G> jono: nah .. I'm just in another city
[15:55] <jono> ahhh
[15:56] <jono> kim0_3G, good to go in 5m?
[15:56] <kim0_3G> jono: yep
[15:56] <jono> :)
[15:59] <jcastro__> hi jono
[15:59] <doctormo> Morning all
[15:59] <jcastro__> we have alot to do today!
[16:01] <jono> kim0_3G, just logging in
[16:01] <kim0_3G> jono: mumble working for ya ?
[16:01] <doctormo> jcastro_: you're telling me, i got laundry, dishes, several piles of god knows what to find places for. I'll be lucky if I get to a terminal today.
[16:02] <jono> just testing kim0_3G
[16:02] <kim0_3G> jono: coz skype isn't for me :)
[16:02] <jono> kim0_3G, can you hear me?
[16:02] <jcastro__> kim0_3G: I need jono when you're done with him
[16:02] <kim0_3G> sure you can have him :)
[16:03] <jcastro> "I didn't want him anyway!"
[16:03] <jono> kim0_3G, can you hear me?
[16:04] <jono> kim0_3G, it keeps cutting out
[16:04] <jono> kim0_3G, msg me your number, I will phone you
[16:08] <cjohnston> jono and whichever jcastro happens to be the real jcastro_, big new release of LoCo Directory took place this morning!
[16:08] <jcastro> oh nice
[16:09] <jcastro> dude people loved the directory when I showed it to them at OLF
[16:09] <cjohnston> too bad you werent showing them today...
[16:09] <cjohnston> Names are now displayed instead of usernames
[16:10] <cjohnston> Pictures can be shown on pages now (from flickr and the like)
[16:18] <doctormo> cjohnston: Hmm, what is the new empty row "Loco Contacts(s)" for?
[16:19] <jcastro> akgraner`: about how many attendees on Friday do you think?
[16:19] <cjohnston> doctormo: for teams to assign contacts
[16:20] <cjohnston> Because an owner/admin doesn
[16:20] <cjohnston> 't mean they are a contact
[16:20] <doctormo> cjohnston: That's right, but why show an empty row?
[16:20] <cjohnston> Because noone has added the contacts?
[16:20] <cjohnston> I guess it could be changed to if no contacts dont show
[16:22] <cjohnston> I would think it would be more likely to be added if it was left visible though
[16:22] <cjohnston> people would ping the admins and tell them about it
[16:27] <doctormo> cjohnston: Although it breaks existing ui rules in that website for not showing rows that are not being used, or at the vest least filling out the blank area with (non set) and See contact here links for admins.
[16:29] <doctormo> very* set*
[16:32] <duanedesign> 2
[16:32] <cjohnston> 3
[16:48] <dpm> hey jono, welcome back
[16:49] <jono> hey dpm
[16:49] <jono> thanks!
[16:56] <duanedesign> cjohnston: you don't have far to go for UDS this year.
[16:56] <cjohnston> ;-)
[16:57] <jono> jcastro quick call?
[16:57] <jono> jcastro_, ^
[16:57] <jcastro> yes please
[16:57] <jcastro> mumble?
[16:57] <jono> n
[16:57] <cjohnston> lol.. which one is the real one? :-P
[16:58] <jono> p
[17:00]  * popey hugs jono and jcastro
[17:01]  * AlanBell thinks jono is np-complete
[17:01]  * popey misses dholbach
[17:02] <cjohnston> me too
[17:05] <paultag_> Where is dholbach ?
[17:05] <nigelb> jono: I had sent you a mail re:lernid, will you be able to get to it this week? pleaes please please :)
[17:05] <popey> holiday
[17:06] <nigelb> paultag_: iran
[17:06] <paultag_> Ah, good for him
[17:06] <paultag_> hope he's having fun
[17:06] <paultag_> he needs it
[17:06] <akgraner> jcastro, we handed out about 100 orange dots on Friday
[17:06] <paultag_> BRB
[17:06]  * paultag_ hugs akgraner
[17:06] <paultag_> BRB
[17:49] <technoviking> woot, got mobile working on my test forums with tapatalk, should be in the Ubuntu Forums when we upgrade.
[17:51] <jcastro> nice
[17:51] <jcastro> when's the new theme coming?
[17:53] <technoviking> after we upgrade to vB4
[17:53] <technoviking> You can see a preview at http://www.mikesplanet.net/forums
[17:54] <technoviking> would love some feedback from non-forum regulars
[17:56] <jcastro> the orange feels too bright
[17:56]  * jcastro uses this opportunity to ask for signatures to be shut off so conversations can be easier to follow
[17:56] <technoviking> got the hex code for the color from the design team
[17:56] <jcastro> weird
[17:58] <technoviking> jcastro: no againist removing signature. File a bug and I will confirm it.
[18:00] <jcastro> technoviking: what's the lp project for the forums?
[18:00] <technoviking> thought ubuntuforums
[18:00] <jcastro> ubuntuforums.org
[18:01] <technoviking> should switch that
[18:01] <dpm> ok, calling it a day. Have a nice rest of the day everyone!
[18:06] <jcastro> technoviking: filed, thanks
[18:06]  * jcastro hopes people agree
[18:07] <doctormo> paultag, akgraner: Congrats on OLF.
[18:07] <nigelb> jcastro: Are the colors a bit mismatching?
[18:07] <doctormo> I wish I could have gone, I would have brought my booth decorations and made some more purple.
[18:07] <akgraner> doctormo, thanks!  It was a great time - wish you could have been there
[18:08] <nigelb> I'm not great at UI, but those colors look too painful to look at.
[18:08] <jcastro> indeed
[18:08] <nigelb> oh, I should read!  If I did I would click on their profile
[18:08] <jcastro> "Running Lucid AMD64 on a Quad Core" etc.
[18:09] <nigelb> hahaha, forestpixie is having fun on new forums - "You might find it worthwhile to also kill the cat and buy a dog"
[18:10] <technoviking> jcastro: switch to ubuntu2 theme at the bottom, and see if that is better
[18:11] <jcastro> that feels more right
[18:11] <AlanBell> DD4814 is the right colour in the RGB space
[18:12] <AlanBell> should probably reference the ubuntubeta font (which should change names real soon now)
[18:12] <AlanBell> I hope it will be put up somewhere so it can be referenced with @font-face too
[18:13] <technoviking> AlanBell: people feel DD4814 is too bright, switch to the orange in the new theme
[18:14] <technoviking> need to talk to Iain about this
[18:14] <AlanBell> might want to throw in a little bit of dot pattern somewhere
[18:14] <technoviking> I will add the Ubuntu font
[18:14] <jcastro> too much purple
[18:16] <doctormo> jcastro: there can never be enough purple! We are as kings!
[18:16] <technoviking> doctormo: made a Dark Augine theme also:)
[18:17] <czajkowski> one cannot have enough orange
[18:17] <czajkowski> it makes people happy
[18:17] <AlanBell> the dark aubergine looks quite good
[18:19] <technoviking> AlanBell: needs a ton of tweaking, and the vB color scheme setup make KDE look simple
[18:20] <doctormo> cjohnston: Congratulations, according to wacky statistics you've done most of the work on the loco directory after dholbach himself since the project was started. :-)
[18:20] <technoviking> over 200 setting, before you even look at css or templates
[18:20] <cjohnston> wacky statistics?
[18:21] <doctormo> czajkowski: Isn't orange an emotive colour, depends on the shade. Best colours are green for relaxing and natural and blue for vibrant and awake.
[18:21] <doctormo> cjohnston: bugs and merge requests.
[18:22] <cjohnston> what is wacky statistics?
[18:23] <czajkowski> doctormo: have you seen my blog
[18:23] <czajkowski> I LOVE ORANGE
[18:23] <doctormo> czajkowski: My blog would say I love black, and penguin.
[18:24] <technoviking> later all, moving the main web server for our department from SOlaris with vingette to Ubuntu
[18:24] <czajkowski> and is your blog right
[18:24] <doctormo> czajkowski: Nope, I'm more of a purple, blue kinda person.
[18:24] <doctormo> And I prepare cephlapods.
[18:24] <doctormo> prefer*
[18:26] <vish> lol! prepare!
[18:39] <akgraner> jono, jcastro  - will you all be blogging about AppDevWeek this week - looks like there is only one open slot in the original time slots and 2 open in the extended area
[18:40] <jcastro> telepathy should be going in the original slot
[18:40] <jcastro> I will blog it tomorrow ish
[18:40] <jcastro> sorry I am slammed today
[18:40] <akgraner> jcastro, no worries
[18:40] <akgraner> I know the feeling I'm catching up from OLF - just wanted to get it on your radar :-)
[18:40] <jcastro> nod
[18:42] <akgraner> jcastro, I'm going back to "selling time-shares" now ;-P
[18:42] <jcastro> don't forget the upsell!
[18:42] <doctormo> Is that what we've come down to.
[18:42] <akgraner> doctormo, that's how jcastro said I sounded when I was talking about the benefits of being on a LoCo team
[18:42] <jcastro> heh
[19:00] <jono> brb
[19:00] <akgraner> jcastro, I put telepathy w/instructor TBD in the Friday Slot and added Sense's  - indicator stack in python to Tuesday - so that leaves one extra open slot
[19:01] <jcastro> cool, don't sweat the extra slots
[19:01] <jcastro> don't feel like you need to fill them
[19:01] <jono> jcastro just give me a few mins
[19:01] <jcastro> they are bonus
[19:01] <jcastro> jono: no worries
[19:02] <jono> thanks, pal
[19:16] <Pendulum> jono: welcome back!
[19:18] <nigelb> Conspirary theorists might argue that the horsemen are planning their vacation on after another so at least one of them have to deal with the other's action items :p
[19:18] <nigelb> jcastro, jono ^^
[19:18] <nigelb> ;)
[19:18] <Pendulum> nigelb: haha. that's fabulous :P
[19:19] <nigelb> Pendulum: :)
[19:20] <vish> Pendulum: doesnt every organization work like that? ;)  or do we want all of them on vacation at the same time :p
[19:20] <vish> oops nigelb ^ ..
[19:21] <nigelb> vish: No, we want them not taking vacations :p
[19:21] <nigelb> heh
[19:21] <Pendulum> yeah, I was the only person who took their full holiday time at my last job
[19:21] <czajkowski> oh I did too
[19:21] <czajkowski> I took my 21 days plus a further 9
[19:22] <nigelb> Anyway, bedtime.  Later.
[19:22] <czajkowski> nigelb: nn
[19:22]  * AlanBell likes being the boss
[19:22] <AlanBell> vacation allowances are things that happen to other people
[19:22] <Pendulum> and there were only really 4 of us in the office that did the same job so things were quite spread out
[19:23] <Pendulum> AlanBell: thanks for rubbing that in :P
[19:57] <JanC> Pendulum: heh, in Belgium it's almost mandatory to take your full vacation time  ;)
[19:57] <Pendulum> JanC: paid or unpaid?
[19:58] <JanC> paid
[19:58] <Pendulum> in the US no one has to even offer paid vacation time
[19:58] <Pendulum> or paid sick time
[19:59] <JanC> if you work during your legally granted vacation time, they have to pay you a lot extra
[19:59] <Pendulum> (the no paid sick leave is becoming a bigger issue, though, because when everyone got scared about swine flu they started realising that people who don't get paid for sick time often can't afford to take time off even when they're really sick)
[19:59] <Pendulum> (I'm not sure why this was a new thought)
[20:01] <JanC> sick time is paid by your employer for the 1st week to month here, after that you get paid a minimum income by the mandatory social security
[20:01] <Pendulum> heh
[20:03] <JanC> basic social security insurance is mandatory here...
[20:04] <JanC> and regulated by the government
[20:07] <doctormo> AlanBell: pay at all is something that happens to other people, no?
[20:07] <AlanBell> doctormo: yeah, there is that!
[20:08] <AlanBell> although we have started paying a regular salary now
[20:08] <doctormo> AlanBell: To who? lol, not to me.
[20:09] <AlanBell> our payroll only goes to people called Alan
[20:10] <AlanBell> hardcoded firstname ftw
[20:11] <doctormo> AlanBell: Ah hell, does that mean you'll be hiring Alan Pope?
[20:12] <jussi> Did I ever mention I hate flies...
[20:15] <AlanBell> doctormo: there is no currently active recruitment process involving Alan Pope.
[20:16] <doctormo> jussi: What would you prefer?
[20:16] <jussi> doctormo: no flies...
[20:17]  * AlanBell passes jussi some big spiders
[20:17] <jussi> AlanBell: huntsmen? yes please
[20:17] <doctormo> jussi: Would you like jars and beans?
[20:28] <scott-work> doctormo: i found this ubuntu page for wizardpen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen
[20:29] <scott-work> doctormo: is there a better page to understand which tablet i should get if i wish to acquire a tablet ?
[20:29] <technoviking> jcastro: User CP -> Options -> visible Post Elements -> disable "show Signatures"
[20:29] <scott-work> open question for the channel follows:
[20:29] <jcastro> technoviking: I know how to turn it off for me
[20:29] <jcastro> I mean by default
[20:29] <scott-work> can anyone suggest how to acquire help for updating the Ubuntu Studio Drupal website ?
[20:30] <scott-work> i've tried ubuntu forums, the ubuntustudio-users mail list ...with extremely limited success
[20:31] <technoviking> scott-work: did anyone take over for Cory?
[20:31] <scott-work> technoviking: in which capacity?  as studio lead?
[20:32] <technoviking> scott-work: yeah
[20:33] <scott-work> technoviking: ah, yes, that would be me :)
[20:33] <technoviking> scott-work: doh, sorry
[20:33] <scott-work> technoviking: lol ;)
[20:34] <czajkowski> heh
[20:34] <czajkowski> it was handy when lusibg was over here we ju'd poke him with issues
[20:34] <scott-work> to be honest, i'm ready to go to the drupal forums and ask for some kindly, gentle soul to take pity on me
[20:35] <scott-work> i've had several offers of help to develop a website based on word press but i've been told through the grapevine that word press is verboten
[20:37] <czajkowski> scott-work: are you on twitter? if so ask @forbairt for some advice, he themes all my sites with WP and latest one is a wiki but all others are wp
[20:39] <scott-work> czajkowski:  thank you for the tip, however, ubuntustudio.org is hosted on Canonical servers and i've been told only drupal sites are allowed due to security concerns :(
[20:39] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[20:39] <czajkowski> scott-work: *hugs*
[20:41] <scott-work> czajkowski: thank you
[20:42] <scott-work> however, if i can't find someone willing to help out with update the drupal site I might resort to pay out of my own pocket to host the site elsewhere and use word press then :/
[20:42] <highvoltage> scott-work: hey
[20:42] <highvoltage> scott-work: what kind of hosting do you need?
[20:43] <highvoltage> (sorry I also have no context :) )
[20:43] <scott-work> highvoltage:  for this:  http://ubuntustudio.org/
[20:43] <scott-work> highvoltage:  currently using drupal as CMS but possibly moving to word press
[20:44] <highvoltage> scott-work: cool
[20:44] <highvoltage> scott-work: why would you need other hosting? doesn't canonical host that?
[20:45] <scott-work> highvoltage: it does, but we would really like to update the website, which is currently in drupal, and we are having trouble finding someone to effect it
[20:46] <scott-work> highvoltage: we have had offers to do a complete makeover using word press but apparently word press can not be used on canonical servers
[20:46] <highvoltage> scott-work: are the people who told you that aware that markshuttleworth.com runs on wordpress (hosted at canonical), as well as the Canonical blog itself? And also soon the Ubuntu Fridge?
[20:46] <technoviking> scott-work: WordPress rock
[20:47] <highvoltage> also, wordpress is easier to keep up to date. lots of drupal sites (ubuntu studio is an example) don't get updated and become horribly insecure anyway
[20:47] <scott-work> highvoltage: i would presume not (aware that *.com runs on wordpress)
[20:48] <highvoltage> ubuntu.com is on drupal
[20:48] <scott-work> i think a follow up series of emails is most likely in order then :)
[20:48] <czajkowski> I think a lot of people have tried to tackle this before
[20:49] <scott-work> highvoltage: i had noticed this http://uds.ubuntu.com/ several days ago as well (which is wordpress)
[20:49] <highvoltage> it shouldn't be that hard, I revampted the edubuntu site recently and getting the permissions I need wasn't hard
[20:49] <highvoltage> I just filed tickets on RT for everything I required
[20:49] <highvoltage> and then poked some people in #canonical-sysadmin now and again
[20:50] <scott-work> highvoltage:  i notice that the edubuntu website seems to pull data from wiki.ubuntu.com but reformats it (presumably with css), are you responsible for that?
[20:50] <highvoltage> scott-work: I can understand why some people don't like it, but to say that it's forbidden when some prominent sites run it, and even when new ones are being set up to do so sounds kind of like a double-standard
[20:51] <highvoltage> scott-work: that's not what it does, it's a drupal site :)
[20:51] <scott-work> highvoltage:  agreed (double standards)
[20:51] <scott-work> highvoltage: but it seems to mirror what is on wiki.ubuntu.com; it even has the ubuntu studio meeting notes
[20:52] <highvoltage> scott-work: you're probably on the wrong site then ;)
[20:52] <highvoltage> scott-work: http://edubuntu.org
[20:52] <scott-work> highvoltage: sorry, wrong site LOL
[20:52] <scott-work> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[20:52] <highvoltage> yep, that's the wiki
[20:53] <scott-work> my bad, but your website does look extremely nice :)
[20:53]  * scott-work desires one as nice ;)
[20:54] <scott-work> highvoltage: forgive my ignorance, but what is RT?
[20:54] <cjohnston> request ticket
[20:54] <AlanBell> scott-work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences there are a list of themes available, if you access the wiki via edubuntu.org it applies the edubuntu theme
[20:54] <AlanBell> same for kubuntu
[20:55] <czajkowski> scott-work: https://rt.ubuntu.com/
[20:55] <highvoltage> scott-work: I can recomment starting with a professional theme. I bought the mynxx theme from rockettheme (http://demo.rockettheme.com/drupal/?theme=mynxx) for the edubuntu site and just modified it for purpose
[20:55] <czajkowski> scott-work: login ubuntu pwd ubuntu and log tickets there
[20:55] <scott-work> wow!  thank you all for the responses :)
[20:55] <czajkowski> scott-work: tis a helpful channel alright :)
[20:56] <highvoltage> scott-work: I recommend that you actually email your ticket, it makes it clearer who logged the request<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:56] <AlanBell> scott-work: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website themes for drupal, wordpress, django
[20:58] <scott-work> AlanBell: you are part of the Ubuntu UK Podcast, no?
[20:58] <AlanBell> nope
[20:58] <popey> i am
[20:58] <AlanBell> ^^ he is
[20:58] <highvoltage> the pope of ubuntu
[20:58] <AlanBell> !popey
[20:58] <ubot2> Factoid 'popey' not found
[20:58] <AlanBell> whut!!
[20:59] <popey> only exists in -uk
[21:00] <scott-work> i knew that popey was, but he wasn't in the last episode that i listend to though
[21:00] <popey> i wasnt?
[21:00] <scott-work> i'm two episodes back
[21:01] <popey> ah
[21:02] <popey> i was in all of the last 8 or so
[21:02] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ all of the ones listed on that front page :)
[21:03] <czajkowski> http://www.flickr.com/photos/codedragon/sets/72157624005309900/ them lot are the podcasters
[21:03] <czajkowski> :)
[21:04] <popey> :)
[21:04] <scott-work> i just started S03E13 - Three Wise Fools and i thought you were missing from that one (it's late at night in the garden)
[21:05] <popey> heh, my garden :)
[21:06] <scott-work> LOL me=fail then
[21:06] <popey> in fact the opening line is me saying "welcome to my house" :D
[21:08] <scott-work> i thought it was proverbial, not literal :P
[21:10] <doctormo> scott-work: Get a wacom if you want it to work, get a wizardpen if you want to save yourself some money and declare holy war on wizardpen drivers as a missing feature.
[21:10] <doctormo> That wiki page needs updating, it's a bit old.
[21:10] <highvoltage> Hopefully I'll have more time for podcasts now that I'll be going to the gym again
[21:53] <akgraner> jcastro, ping
[21:55] <jcastro> don't ping, just ask
[21:56] <akgraner> I need the script for the stackexchange stats
[21:56] <akgraner> and the command to run it
[22:00] <jcastro> one sec
[22:00] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks!
[22:00] <jcastro> http://meta.ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/290/can-someone-whip-up-a-quick-script-for-uwn
[22:00] <jcastro> grab the bottom one
[22:00] <jcastro> the "Edit 15" one
[22:00] <jcastro> put it in a file
[22:01] <jcastro> call it whatever.py
[22:01] <jcastro> then run "python whatever.py"
[22:01] <jcastro> then paste. :)
[22:01] <akgraner> roger that - thanks
[22:01]  * AlanBell watches akgraner turn into a python hacker
[22:01] <jcastro> akgraner: you can make it a panel applet
[22:01] <jcastro> for the win
[22:01] <akgraner> :-)
[22:02] <paultag_> Oh you two
[22:02] <akgraner> AlanBell, :-p
[22:15] <akgraner> jcastro, I got this error - Traceback (most recent call last):
[22:15] <akgraner>   File "./stackstats.py", line 24, in <module>
[22:15] <akgraner>     os.popen('xsel', 'wb').write(output)
[22:15] <akgraner> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe6' in position 1684: ordinal not in range(128)
[22:15] <akgraner> but the information before that seems correct
[22:16] <paultag_> akgraner, you're not using utf it looks like
[22:17] <paultag> akgraner, http://docs.python.org/howto/unicode.html
[22:17] <paultag> akgraner, I know you hate that stuff, but read slow and don't skip anything. It will all follow
[22:18] <akgraner> I created a new file and pasted that in and saved it as script in vim after I installed xsel and cleaned up the deprecated dependences
[22:19] <akgraner> paultag, I'll have to look into that later - right now I gotta get UWN out :-/
[22:20] <paultag> akgraner, sure, I'll see if I can't put together an example for ya
[22:23] <akgraner> Thank you!
[22:34] <paultag> akgraner, http://pastebin.com/f7fvHXJS
[22:34] <paultag> akgraner, that might help a bit. Try not to use popen, it's deprecated iirc
[22:34] <akgraner> paultag, ok will try that then
[22:35] <paultag> akgraner, after the news :)
[22:35] <akgraner> nods
[22:36] <akgraner> I also need to change how it outputs but will work on that later - thanks
[22:37] <paultag> np
[23:01] <jcastro> <- EOD
[23:01] <jcastro> woo, car shopping!
[23:02] <cjohnston> yay!
[23:02] <jcastro> akgraner: did you install the packages he says in the post?
[23:02] <jcastro> you need xsel and python-beautifulsoup
[23:04] <akgraner> yep - I already hat beautiful soup - so I installed xsel
[23:04] <akgraner> had even
[23:05] <akgraner> that's what we use for the other py scripts we use for format the plain text to the forums format
[23:06] <akgraner> jcastro, but all the information I need is there it just returns that error
[23:06] <akgraner> along with the information
[23:06] <jcastro> oh, after?
[23:06] <jcastro> ok so you got the info?
[23:06] <jcastro> it just tacks garbage on at the end?
[23:07] <akgraner> yep
[23:07] <jcastro> ok so it can wait. :)
[23:07] <jcastro> dinner, tty tomorrow
[23:18] <akgraner> laters


[06:27] <Mirv> why don't you, why don't you reconfigure
[06:28] <Mirv> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/5366/console sounds correct
[06:28] <Mirv> looks incorrect https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-003-1-build/231/console
[06:28] <Mirv> :(
[06:31] <Mirv> ooh, finally
[08:06] <morphis> sil2100: ping
[08:06] <sil2100> morphis: pong
[08:06] <morphis> sil2100: I have a upgrade for lxc-android-config to wily on my list
[08:06] <morphis> how can I get this the best way into a silo?
[08:07] <morphis> should I upload the changed package and you can push it to the silo?
[08:08] <sil2100> morphis: I suppose let's create a silo for it, give me a source package for it (or point me to a PPA where I can get it from) and I can upload for you
[08:08] <morphis> sil2100: ok!
[08:08] <morphis> sil2100: will ping you again later today then
[08:09] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[08:25] <sil2100> I hope the translations are better now
[08:25]  * ogra_ needs to skip the meeting today
[08:26] <jibel> sil2100, nope it is not
[08:26] <sil2100> jibel: ?
[08:26] <jibel> sil2100, there are still regression in translations
[08:27] <sil2100> jibel: oh no
[08:27] <sil2100> Where?
[08:27] <jibel> sil2100, like 'Install & Restart' when you apply an upgrade
[08:27] <jibel> it's untranslated
[08:28] <sil2100> hm, how come? I see it in the .po file...
[08:29] <sil2100> I see it in the es .po file
[08:29] <sil2100> msgid "Install & Restart"
[08:29] <sil2100> msgstr "Instalar y reiniciar"
[08:29] <davmor2> jibel: you sure the French didn't go on stike and not translate it ;)
[08:30] <sil2100> jibel: same for French, I see it translated in the .po file that landed in the package
[08:30] <Mirv> sil2100: hangggout
[08:30] <Mirv> no-one else here besides me though :)
[08:30] <Mirv> now there is
[08:30] <jibel> davmor2, sorry man, it is not the Paris underground that is on strike
[08:38] <seb128> jibel, how do you test the Install&Restart on the most recent image (need a newer one to upgrade to)
[08:41] <davmor2> seb128: -1 on the image number in channel.ini in /etc/system-image and then remove level.db from .local/share/ubuntu-push-client
[08:42] <davmor2> seb128: does that answer your question?
[08:43] <seb128> davmor2, if that's what jibel did yes, just trying to make sure he didn't see the translation issue on n-1
[08:44] <davmor2> seb128: it is I asked in the meeting
[08:46] <seb128> davmor2, did you ask in french?
[08:48] <jibel> seb128, the string is not even in LP
[08:49] <jibel> seb128, the string changed in ubuntu-system-settings (0.3+15.10.20150702.3-0ubuntu1)
[08:49] <seb128> jibel, lie!
[08:49] <jibel> seb128, ?
[08:49] <seb128> jibel, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+pots/ubuntu-system-settings/fr/347/+translate
[08:50] <jibel> seb128, "Install & Restart" != "Restart & Install"
 sil2100, like 'Install & Restart' when you apply an upgrade
[08:50] <seb128>  it's untranslated
[08:50] <seb128> jibel, that's the one you described earlier
[08:50] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, it's a new change
[08:51] <seb128> sil2100, that I got
[08:51] <seb128> it's a change from mpt
[08:51] <sil2100> We'll manually patch it up for this release
[08:51] <seb128> I know what change we are talking about
[08:51] <seb128> manually patch what?
[08:51] <seb128> u-s-s or langpacks?
[08:52] <sil2100> langpacks
[08:52] <sil2100> Since anything else would take ages
[09:01] <seb128> sil2100, that doesn't explain why the template is wrong though
[09:01] <davmor2> popey: you left so you missed my "Enjoy your emails on the day you return" ;)
[09:01] <popey> :)
[09:01] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, I'll talk with pitti about that, we had a meeting now so I couldn't earlier
[09:01] <popey> I _may_ have wifi where I am, and _may_ read the odd mail :)_
[09:01] <Mirv> sil2100: the new fi translation would be "Käynnistä uudelleen ja asenna"
[09:02] <jibel> sil2100, I sent you the string for French, German and Italian
[09:02] <sil2100> \o/
[09:02] <davmor2> Mirv: pfff like we care ;)
[09:02] <sil2100> Thanks
[09:03] <Mirv> davmor2: I do on my Bq! :D
[09:04] <sil2100> We care!
[09:05] <sil2100> I updated the Finnish version with translations ;)
[09:13] <Mirv> sil2100: so, should I publish 003 or just for wily to avoid confusion? it adds the [armhf i386 amd64] to depend on ubuntu-keyboard-autopilot from ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot, so we don't need it for vivid-overlay strictly as there's no proposed migration that would catch the fact that arm64 powerpc ppc64el can't install the uitk-autopilot package
[09:14] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks for the translation update! :)
[09:14] <Mirv> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-003-1-build/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_content.diff
[09:15] <Mirv> I guess it wouldn't hurt but as OTA5 is in the final stages I thought to ask whether to avoid touch overlay needlessly
[09:16] <morphis> sil2100: I am ready, so ping me when you have time and a free silo
[09:17] <Mirv> morphis: I can assign you a silo if that's all you need
[09:17] <morphis> Mirv: I need someone uploading a package for me too
[09:17] <Mirv> charles: no valid merge url on line 69
[09:18] <Mirv> morphis: oh right that's your nick, hi! :) so just ping 'trainguards' in general.
[09:18] <sil2100> Mirv: if that's the only change then yes :)
[09:19] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks
[09:19] <morphis> Mirv: ala "trainsguard: ping"?
[09:20] <Mirv> with "s" at the end. we've it all highlighted. so, trainguards: give me a silo, now!
[09:20] <morphis> Mirv: hey :)
[09:20] <morphis> Mirv: ah I see, good to know
[09:20] <morphis> Mirv: so can you also upload me a pacakge to the silo?
[09:20] <Mirv> morphis: yes, just give me the change
[09:21] <Mirv> too bad lxc-android-config is a manually uploaded package
[09:22] <morphis> Mirv: yeah
[09:24] <Mirv> morphis: ok it's there https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-002/+packages
[09:25] <morphis> Mirv: thanks!
[09:28] <morphis> Mirv: hm, interesting the build fails with "public key not found" .. can that be if my key is correctly synced on the key servers?
[09:28] <sil2100> jibel: hm, I was wondering
[09:29] <sil2100> jibel: what would you, from the quality perspective, think of doing such a thing for the other languages that I prepared that we don't have any native speakers around:
[09:29] <sil2100> jibel: simply leaving the existing translation but changing the template string to "Restart & Install"
[09:30] <sil2100> jibel: maybe having those in the old version but translated would be better than not having it translated at all
[09:30] <sil2100> rvr: piing
[09:30] <rvr> sil2100: pong
[09:37] <Mirv> morphis: hmm, no, that's something that seems to happen everywhere. it doesn't really fai at the end so that's not an error that's being caught (on purpose). see eg https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-043-1-build/8/console
[09:37] <morphis> Mirv: ok
[09:37] <morphis> was just wondering
[09:37] <Mirv> morphis: so, as it was manually uploaded, just running the build job once like you did is enough so that the train status is up-to-date
[09:38] <jibel> sil2100, I think it's better than no translation at all
[09:41] <morphis> Mirv: good
[10:09] <sil2100> Ok, I have the main translations ready
[10:09] <sil2100> Uploading
[10:12] <sil2100> jibel, rvr, davmor2, Mirv: will build a new image once those build
[10:14] <popey> anyone else get a ticking noise on their arale after a notification bing?
[10:14] <popey> happens for about 10s after
[10:18] <rvr> sbeattie: Ack
[10:18] <rvr> Err
[10:18] <rvr> sil2100: Ack
[10:18] <sil2100> Didn't notice
[11:44] <sil2100> jibel, rvr, Mirv: the image with translation fixes is building
[11:56] <Mirv> sil2100: great!
[12:30] <sil2100> Off to lunch o/
[12:30] <pmcgowan> sil2100, hey how we doing on the build
[12:30] <pmcgowan> jibel, ^^
[12:37] <jibel> pmcgowan, previous build was okay, testing done on krillin, no new critical issue. Still waiting on the last build sil2100 triggerd to fix the translation of 'restart and install'
[12:39] <pmcgowan> jibel, thanks
[13:12] <mardy> cihelp: does the CI train work with git projects?
[13:29] <psivaa> mardy: you'd need trainguards for this
[14:06] <charles> Mirv, trainguards, url in line 69 fixed
[14:07] <charles> not sure if Mirv's EODed
[14:09] <jibel> sil2100, translation is fine in French on latest image
[14:17] <faenil> hello people :) how can I trigger a build for an MR or watch its progress?
[14:18] <faenil> is there a monitor page with the builders status?
[14:25] <seb128> is there a bug report about the fact that often apps have a blury screenshot while loading (which sometime doesn't match the screen that's being loaded)?
[14:27] <jibel> seb128, no, I didn't find one.
[14:27] <seb128> jibel, do you think it's worth opening one?
[14:28] <jibel> seb128, yes, sometimes the effect is really weird
[14:28] <jibel> seb128, like it shows the gallery in the photo view, then display the event view  once it's loaded
[14:29] <seb128> jibel, yeah, I just had a case where in settings it was displaying another panel that the one loading
[14:29] <jibel> seb128, right, can you submit a bug, I'll confirm it and add it to the list of bugs found for ota5
[14:30] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[14:32] <seb128> hum
[14:32] <seb128> did we advertize that new string to translators
[14:32] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/unity-scopes-shell/trunk/+pots/unity-plugin-scopes/es/1/+translate
[14:33] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/unity-scopes-shell/trunk/+pots/unity-plugin-scopes/fr/1/+translate
[14:33] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/unity-scopes-shell/trunk/+pots/unity-plugin-scopes/de/1/+translate
[14:33] <pmcgowan> sil2100, meeting
[14:33] <seb128> it's translated in none of the main languages
[14:33] <seb128> pmcgowan, ^ unsure if that's an issue
[14:33] <seb128> (it's displayed in e.g the today's scope settings)
[14:42] <seb128> jibel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1473476
[14:43] <ogra_> sometimes ... heh
[14:43] <ogra_> it never matches content for my webapps
[14:43] <ogra_> (and that would be hard to achieve)
[14:44] <seb128> right, it does for some applications which have only 1 UI
[14:44] <seb128> e.g calculator
[14:45] <seb128> well, except calc doesn't have the screenshot :p
[14:49] <charles> jibel, can I get a silo for line 69
[14:51] <jibel> trainguards ^
[14:51] <jibel> charles, I cannot assign silos
[14:52] <jibel> seb128, thanks
[14:52] <charles> jibel, gah, sorry for the misping :P
[14:52] <sil2100> pmcgowan: sorry, we're having some problems here at home, had to skip todays meeting...
[14:52] <sil2100> charles: on it
[14:52] <pmcgowan> sil2100, no worries seems its all well in hand
[14:52] <sil2100> Yeah :)
[14:52]  * sil2100 afk again for a moment
[14:55] <faenil> is there a status webpage for builders?
[14:55] <faenil> how can I know when my branch will be built?
[14:57] <jibel> seb128, I added a test case
[14:57] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[15:09] <jibel> ogra_, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/20150710.changes is the right log for latest changes on rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en?
[15:14] <jibel> sil2100, what is the new version of ubuntu-ui-toolkit that landed in the overlay this morning?
[15:18] <ogra_> jibel, yes
[15:21] <seb128> jibel, seems it was https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211299088/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1.3.1549%2B15.04.20150706-0ubuntu1_1.3.1549%2B15.04.20150710.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:21] <seb128> bug #1473035
[15:22] <jibel> okay, so same than previous version but with an update of the dependencies
[15:22] <jibel> thanks
[15:23] <seb128> yw!
[15:41] <sil2100> jibel: it's only a dep-change
[15:42] <sil2100> jibel: Mirv asked for permission to dual land that, and since it was the only change I let it through to save him trouble
[15:54] <faenil> is there a status webpage for builders? attempt 3 :D
[15:57] <faenil> :(
[15:58] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, any feeling for if there will be an rc build soon?
[15:58] <john-mcaleely> (I need to plan some related work)
[15:58] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: you mean, a formal copy of the image to the rc channel?
[15:59] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: I was waiting for a formal report from jibel, not sure how far they are with all testing
[15:59] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, yeah, ok so lets see if jibel comments then
[15:59] <charles> woot
[16:06] <faenil> I wonder if I'm muted on this channel :|
[16:10] <ogra_> faenil, see the dashboard link from the channel topic
[16:12] <faenil> ogra_: oh crap...that's why I didn't find it...I forgot that I moved the topic bar...I was guessing you didn't reply because it had to be something as obvious as "stfu and read the topic at least" but then I didn't find anything where I thought the topic was...thanks
[16:15] <jibel> sil2100, I'm still on the report but as discussed during the rtm status meeting, nothing blocking. There is bug 1473476 though
[16:15] <jibel> sil2100, I don't know if the decision is to release with that, revert or fix later
[16:15] <faenil> ogra_: that page shows the silos, what about packages which are created due to MR being proposed?
[16:16] <ogra_> oh, no idea
[16:16] <faenil> oh :( ok, thanks anyway
[16:16] <ogra_> i guess there you need to know the jenkins job
[16:16] <ogra_> to fiddle out the right jenkins url for a build
[16:17] <faenil> I see...I just want to know why my MR hasn't been built yet :/
[16:33] <boiko> sil2100: hey, so I want to get telepathy-qt5 from wily into vivid, but it seems citrain doesn't like that it was not a train upload
[16:43] <cjwatson> cihelp: can somebody help faenil above?
[16:44] <josepht> faenil: what's the link for the MP?
[16:44] <faenil> josepht: https://code.launchpad.net/~faenil/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ContactsAdaptive_UIToolkit/+merge/264424
[16:44] <faenil> I was told it should start building automatically
[16:45] <faenil> cjwatson: thanks btw :)
[16:59] <sil2100> boiko: we'll have to help you and upload it normally
[16:59] <sil2100> boiko: syncs only work for CI Train packages since we need to change the version
[17:00] <sil2100> And you can't really guess the version format for non-train packages
[17:00] <boiko> sil2100: ah ok, do you need a source deb or can you grab that from wily directly?
[17:01] <sil2100> boiko: I'll grab it from wily, since I need to change the version :)
[17:01] <sil2100> Somehow smart
[17:01] <sil2100> On it now
[17:03] <boiko> sil2100: nice! thanks!
[17:04] <boiko> sil2100: can you just give me a heads up once it starts building on the ppa? I need to build all the other packages after it finishes building
[17:05] <sil2100> boiko: ok, it's uploading now
[17:05] <sil2100> boiko: remember not to try rebuilding telepathy-qt5 in the silo throuh the build job, as the train will fail then
[17:05] <sil2100> Just rebuild the rest or use watch_only
[17:06] <boiko> sil2100: nice! thanks!
[17:12] <josepht> faenil: we added you to the list of allowed users your MP should be picked up on the next run in about 15 minutes or so.
[17:12] <faenil> josepht: cool, thanks
[17:12] <faenil> josepht: so how does it work? is there a special list? for what?
[17:14] <josepht> faenil: there's a mapping of allowed users/groups in LP that can have their MPs run via the CI jobs
[17:15] <faenil> josepht: ok, thanks
[17:15] <josepht> faenil: np
[17:22] <bfiller_> robru: mind reconfiguring silo 34, added a new project (sync-monitor)
[17:27] <robru> bfiller_: you have the ability to reconfigure new projects now ;-)
[17:27] <bfiller_> robru: ok cool, let me try
[17:29] <robru> mardy: no there's no git support at all. only bzr branches on lp are supported.
[17:37] <bfiller_> robru: do I need to delete from the sheet and re-add in the new UI? not seeing it listed in new UI
[17:37] <robru> bfiller_: what? you need to use the spreadsheet.
[17:37] <robru> bfiller_: the spreadsheet replacement isn't live, it's only in staging. you can't do actual releases from there yet
[17:38] <bfiller_> robru: ok, sorry was confused
[17:38] <robru> bfiller_: sorry I didn't make that more clear.
[17:38] <robru> bfiller_: the change that allows you to add new projects on your own is already in production, but the spreadsheet replacement isn't. so just reconfigure the normal way and it should all work out.
[17:58] <fginther> AlbertA, Can you review the build results of http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mir-clang-ts-wily-amd64-build/2/ ?
[18:14] <boiko> robru: could  you please check what is going on with this build: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-020/+build/7639724
[18:16] <robru> boiko: you need an lp person to look at that, maybe cjwatson ^
[18:17] <boiko> robru: ok thanks
[18:17] <boiko> cjwatson: could you please check what is going on with this build: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-020/+build/7639724
[18:18] <robru> cjwatson: build log seems to indicate it's complete but the ppa (and lplib) report it's still building. something stuck...
[18:45] <AlbertA> fginther: thanks looks like we'll have to tweak some tests
[18:45] <AlbertA> fginther: but looks ok
[19:31] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: hey, since jibel said the krillins passed, should I copy the candidate image over to rc for BQ?
[19:36] <fginther> AlbertA2, Thanks for looking at that build, does that mean you are ready to add it to the mir builds (and fail the MP it fails) or do you want to work on tweaking the tests first?
[19:38] <AlbertA2> fginther: let me try tweaking the tests I should be able to trigger builds in that job right?
[19:38] <cjwatson> boiko,robru: lots of buildd breakage at the moment due to a partial database outage today, need to analyse the whole lot and repair
[19:38] <boiko> cjwatson: ok, thanks for the info
[19:39] <fginther> AlbertA2, correct, you should just need to specify your test branch as the landing_candidate
[19:40] <boiko> cjwatson: is this the same reason for packages not start building on armhf (being in the queue for half an hour or so)
[19:40] <boiko> ?
[19:42] <cjwatson> boiko: Probably related, I haven't had a chance to look
[19:42] <boiko> cjwatson: ok
[19:42] <cjwatson> The world was at least in part on fire earlier
[19:42] <cjwatson> I suspect a bunch of builds are stuck, which would lead to queue depth
[19:43] <boiko> cjwatson: ok
[19:44] <cjwatson> But at least some things are working now, so let's see what can be rescued ...
[19:53] <jhodapp> robru, maybe you know this one: when building in a wily armhf silo, is /sbin/stop and /sbin/start present?
[19:54] <robru> jhodapp: that sounds like a systemd question, I'm not really sure the answer.
[19:55] <jhodapp> robru, ok no worries, I'll keep asking around
[19:55] <robru> slangasek would probably know ^^^
[19:55] <jhodapp> ah true
[19:57] <slangasek> hum, why are you looking for /sbin/stop and /sbin/start?
[19:57] <slangasek> unless you're build-depending on upstart, no, they won't be present
[19:58] <slangasek> jhodapp, robru: ^^
[19:58] <jhodapp> slangasek, trying to run media-hub in the silo for an integration test
[19:58] <slangasek> um, so, a silo doesn't have a user session, and at the system level will be systemd
[19:59] <cjwatson> boiko,robru: should be clearing now
[19:59] <slangasek> and is in a chroot anyway so you can't run system services regardless
[19:59] <robru> cjwatson: thanks
[19:59] <boiko> cjwatson: thanks
[19:59] <jhodapp> slangasek, so how do we run integration level tests?
[20:00] <slangasek> jhodapp: not in the launchpad build, if they require integration with a user session.
[20:00] <slangasek> the silos aren't running on a phone, you don't have any of the necessary environment
[20:00] <jhodapp> slangasek, oh I thought they were still
[20:00] <slangasek> no, they never did
[20:01] <slangasek> silos build in launchpad; launchpad uses arm servers for the builds, not phones
[20:01] <cjwatson> and won't use phones
[20:01] <slangasek> I'm not sure what APIs there are for integration tests that require running on a phone
[20:01] <jhodapp> slangasek, so I guess what I want is then to have this run at the same time as the autopilot builds
[20:01] <slangasek> right, that's what I was about to say :)
[20:01] <jhodapp> *autopilot tests, err
[20:02] <jhodapp> hmm, might need to talk to the test automation guys then
[20:02] <jhodapp> slangasek, thanks for the info
[20:02] <slangasek> n/p
[20:11] <ogra_> cjwatson, looks like image builds got some weirdness too ... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/ rsalveti just started a build and amd64 seems gone
[20:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: I think lp is just not showing it
[20:11] <rsalveti> but it probably finished already
[20:11] <ogra_> hmm
[20:11] <rsalveti> because of the other canceled builds
[20:12] <cjwatson> ogra_,rsalveti: that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1424672
[20:13] <rsalveti> right
[20:13] <ogra_> ah, k
[20:13]  * ogra_ will leave his fingers off the cancel button in the future :P
[20:45] <boiko> robru: could you please trigger a arm64 build of history-service and telephony-service on silo 008?
[20:46] <robru> boiko: you mean a rebuild of the existing upload?
[20:47] <boiko> robru: yep, we have an intermitent failure on tests on those packages in arm64, we need to investigate it better, but for now it is enough to just rebuild them :)
[20:47] <robru> boiko: ok
[21:01] <kgunn> robru: you can delete those 2 entries on the beta "sheet" if you want
[21:01] <robru> kgunn: nah ;-)
[21:02] <robru> kgunn: don't worry, the production instance will start fresh. the staging one is explicitly for experimentation.
[21:02] <kgunn> i got your other mail too late....about not using for stuff you really want to land :)
[21:02] <robru> kgunn: thanks for testing it! ;-)
[21:04] <kgunn> you bet
[21:14] <robru> kgunn: oh yeah you have the power to assign your own silos now too. give that a try
[21:14] <robru> from the spreadsheet
[21:21] <boiko> robru: hey, so, on silo 8, sil2100 had to manually upload a telepathy-qt5 because on wily it was not landed through the citrain
[21:21] <boiko> robru: and thus the changelog has a different versioning schema
[21:22] <robru> uh huh
[21:22] <boiko> robru: that's why your watch_only build failed, is there a way to watch only a subset of the packages in the job?
[21:22] <robru> boiko: no
[21:22] <robru> boiko: I'll poke the silo to expect the existing version
[21:23] <boiko> robru: great! thanks!
[21:27] <robru> boiko: hm, this might be harder than I thought. since lukasz' version is manually uploaded that means it differs from what the MPs generated, so I have to reconfigure the silo to take the telepathy-qt5 MPs out. you'll have to merge them yourself.
[21:27] <robru> oh it's not MPs wtf
[21:27] <boiko> robru: well, it is not a MP, it is sync from wily to vivid
[21:27] <boiko> robru: trying to finally sort the telepathy-qt5 mess out :)
[21:28] <robru> boiko: not sure what to say. the thing I intended to poke is missing and I don't understand what this silo is doing.
[21:28] <robru> boiko: how confident are you that the PPA contains correct contents?
[21:29] <robru> boiko: have you tested it yet?
[21:29] <boiko> robru: so, telepathy-qt5 was uploaded manually by lukasz, the rest is a sync from wily
[21:29] <boiko> robru: if telepathy-qt5 was not correct there, the build would fail
[21:30] <boiko> robru: I still need to test this silo, was first sorting out all the builds
[21:30] <robru> boiko: ok, so please test the silo to your satisfaction, and when you're ready I'll manually change the silo status to 'ready for qa' and then qa can start looking at it.
[21:30] <robru> boiko: I don't want to change the silo status now because if you end up needing a rebuild of something, the status will break again later during the rebuild.
[21:32] <boiko> robru: ok, the testing will certainly not end today, so I can ping you or lukasz about it on monday
[21:32] <boiko> robru: thanks for the help
[21:32] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[21:33] <boiko> robru: out of curiosity: what if I land a no-change telepathy-qt5 on wily via the train
[21:33] <boiko> robru: this way I could get it to sync correct on silo 8
[21:33] <robru> boiko: I suppose you could do that, just make sure whatever non-train upload to wily got synced back to the trunk.
[21:34] <boiko> robru: telepathy-qt5 is not a package we are upstream for, so no trunk, only ubuntu/ branches
[21:35] <robru> boiko: well then you can't do a train release for it.
[21:35] <boiko> robru: not even as a source upload? I think we did that in the past
[21:36] <robru> boiko: but what difference would that make? the reason the sync doesn't work is because it's expecting train-generated version numbers, if you do a source upload you're not getting the train-generated version numbers anyway.
[21:36] <boiko> robru: ah ok, I thought the train would tweak the version numbers in that case
[21:36] <boiko> robru: yeah, if it keeps the version numbers, then it won't help indeed
[21:36] <robru> boiko: no, only for MP builds. source uploads in the train are a gross hack anyway, it's a merge-building engine.
[21:37] <boiko> yep
[21:37] <boiko> robru: ok, so let's keep the silo as-is then, thanks
[21:37] <robru> boiko: no worries, happy testing!
[21:37] <boiko> thanks :)
[22:08] <robru> bfiller_: looks like you reconfigured while the build job was still running. you'll want to reconfigure again because the build job clobbered your reconfigure when it set that status.


[14:14] <hjd> Hi, could someone please trigger a rebuild of jackson-dataformat-xml in zesty? It built succesfully for me locally. It originally failed when it was synced, but several jackson-packages were synced at the same time, so I suppose it might have built against older packages and that might have caused the failure.
[19:00] <ginggs> hjd: somebody just beat me to it
[19:26] <hjd> ginggs: thanks :) (also thanks to the other helpful person)
[20:32] <Logan> are conflicts/replaces for library transitions truly necessary? I notice a lot of Debian maintainers skip them, and shouldn't apt handle them automatically?
[20:43] <jbicha> I think breaks/replaces are probably adequate
[20:43] <jbicha> usually, they shouldn't be needed
[20:43] <jbicha> I know we use the replaces for gjs though
[20:45] <jbicha> gnome-shell is built with gjs so maybe there's bad things that happen there without the breaks/replaces


[03:13] <karl370> I'm hoping someone could help me with my mythbuntu setup.  I'm using mythbuntu 11.04 and an HDPVR.  If I set the Input Connections | External channel change command parameter to /bin/true, the HDPVR lights up blue and I get video.  If I set it to /usr/local/bin/directv.pl, the HDPVR doesn't light up and no video displays. Does anybody have an idea why this is happening & how I can fix it?
[17:55] <qwebirc22807> Question....I upgraded my frontend to Mythbuntu 11.04 with Myth 0.24 fixes and now get a whole bunch of QPainter messages in mythfrontend.log....I'm using the MythCenter-wide theme....any ideas?
[17:55] <superm1> do they cause problems?
[17:55] <superm1> if so, i'd pick a different theme
[17:56] <superm1> it's possible that some things haven't been fixed in the theme
[17:56] <qwebirc22807> I have another box with the same that's fine
[17:57] <qwebirc22807> Is there a way to compare frontend settings on two boxes or could the problem be in the database?
[17:58] <qwebirc22807> sorry....another box with the same 'theme'
[18:04] <superm1> that's a bit weird then
[18:04] <superm1> you could clear the cache in ~/.mythtv/
[18:04] <superm1> that might help out


[01:25] <IdleOne> denied
[15:36]  * Pici sighs
[15:38] <IdleOne> seems like a wish list item. should have been referred to LP to report a bug/wish
[15:42] <IdleOne> now will see what happens
[15:44] <IdleOne> now he is banned every where
[15:54] <Pici> uh?
[15:56] <IdleOne> he went to k-ot and called us a bunch of twits.
[20:27] <AlanBell> ooh look http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_0e98d92be61c7e44
[20:32]  * hggdh is surprised...
[20:33] <pleia2> congrats hggdh :)
[20:33] <hggdh> pleia2: thank you. And to think I entered it because AlanBell was looking for more candidates :-)
[20:33] <pleia2> hehe
[21:56] <knome> hggdh, your nick isn't too familiar to me, and i only say that because i think it's positive that we have new nicks (to me) in the council. congrats!
[21:58] <Pricey> Indeed, congratulations hggdh! (and the remaining four average successfuls..)
[21:58] <hggdh> knome: thank you... it just happened we did not cross paths
[21:58] <hggdh> Pricey: thank you sir :-)
[21:59] <Pricey> hggdh: I hope you call everyone sir.
[21:59] <IdleOne> honestly, I am very surprised also.
[21:59] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[21:59] <hggdh> Pricey: well, I do try to respect gender; apart from that, it is sir indeed for all
[22:00] <hggdh> IdleOne: and congrats to you as well
[22:00] <IdleOne> Same to you :)
[22:30] <IdleOne> about freaking time you get voice
[22:30] <IdleOne> you have no idea how many times i almost kicked you for idling in here :)
[23:12] <topyli> congratulations hggdh, IdleOne
[23:12] <IdleOne> thank you :)
[23:33] <hggdh> IdleOne: I wondered about it as well -- and this is why I kept silent
[23:33] <hggdh> topyli: thank you


[00:42] <diddledan> that's a seriously untidy layout: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/orange-pi-pc-2
[00:42] <diddledan> look at the angles of those chips
[00:45] <zmoylan-pi> i saw someone talking about it mentioning it was done to make it fit in smaller space...
[00:47] <diddledan> yeah I suspected as much. still fugly tho :-p
[00:47] <zmoylan-pi> look at it this way, it's the perfect gift for an ocd friend :-D
[00:49] <diddledan> haha
[00:49] <zmoylan-pi> it's either that or... https://www.etsy.com/ie/listing/238173010/dalek-r2d2-tshirt-premium-cotton-star
[00:49]  * diddledan twitches
[00:50] <zmoylan-pi> it's beautiful, isn't it? :-)
[01:27] <diddledan> http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
[02:28] <diddledan> there's a 50% chance that Clinton is gonna win
[02:28] <diddledan> in other words, does anyone have a coin we can toss?
[05:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone about?
[05:09]  * acheronuk is watching the news with growing horror
[05:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> acheronuk, yeah indeed, I just woke up again
[05:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> looks like Donald Trump is becoming president
[05:11] <acheronuk> car crash moment, brexit moment - not quite sure there are words for it!
[05:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I just heard on TV
[05:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that the dollear may go down quite soon though
[05:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since traders won't be happy or hwatever, ok that sounds good if pound will be worth more again
[05:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or for a bit :d
[05:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I want to buy some things that base the currenty on dollar or are in
[05:50] <mapps> im getting one on one spanish lessons yay#
[05:50] <mapps> :D
[07:38] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:40] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:41] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[07:41] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[07:47] <daftykins> good morning all \o
[07:50] <knightwise> hey daftykins
[07:50] <daftykins> well it was nice knowing 'murica, but that's all done now :P
[07:52] <knightwise> when you check the internet, everybody speaks out against trump
[07:52] <brobostigon> i feel very sorry for the us right now.
[07:52] <knightwise> while half a continent voted for him
[07:53] <knightwise> either this have does not have internet access , or is to ashamed to speak out in public about their preference
[07:53] <brobostigon> knightwise: well, some people werent happy with either parties choice of candidate either.
[07:54] <daftykins> nah it seemed wiser to look at the VPs really :)
[07:55] <daftykins> i can't say i've been following it much, but it seems like the second voting event after the UK's referendum that's possibly been swung a lot by immigration issues
[08:07] <brmbrmcar> That is statism
[08:12] <knightwise> angry old scared babyboomers get what they want
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy World Freedom Day! 😃
[09:04] <foobarry> you're joking right?
[09:04] <JamesTait> Having seen this morning's news, I'd quite like to be free of the world now, thanks.
[09:05] <foobarry> freedom to elect a fascist i guess
[09:06] <JamesTait> It's also Chaos Never Dies Day.
[09:11] <foobarry> "brexit with guns"
[09:21] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> Best news I've seen in a long, long time. It's great to have a breath of fresh air and throw out the entrenched & corrupt families
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> Trump will not only make America Great Again, he will be there to save us from the Europeans.
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> Nope...sorry...I can't keep that up or make it extreme enough to be even vaguely funny
[09:29]  * TwistedLucidity starts to sob
[09:29] <SuperMatt> I don't understand this dynesty argument. She was starting her political career before she even knew Bill Clinton. A lot of what she has achieved have been on her own merits
[09:29] <Nafallo> JamesTait: well yes. this is the last day the world is free? ;-)
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> The only good thing I can say is; I don't think Trump is stupid - far from it - and I hope that a lot of what he said was just playing-up for the camera.
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> His acceptance speech was (surprisingly) presedential
[09:31] <foobarry> i'm not even switching on the news for another month
[09:31] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: he stole Hillaries
[09:31] <foobarry> his face is more unbearable than clinton and blair
[09:31] <SuperMatt> He probably had someone write it for him
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Doesn't mean he has to read it.
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Please surprise me, Mr. Trump. Prove us all wrong.
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Also...IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SANDERS!
[09:33] <SuperMatt> He's got advisors pulling his strings right now
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> sudo apt purge trump
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> No such package. Dangit.
[09:33] <davmor2> sudo kill -9 trump
[09:33] <davmor2> No such process
[09:34] <foobarry> despatching nuclear warheads
[11:22] <foobarry> if i pay for humble bundle with amazon pay, can it use my gift certs?
[11:22] <SuperMatt> I should think so
[11:24] <foobarry> it didn't :(
[11:27] <foobarry> https://www.humblebundle.com/mobile/board-games-mobile-bundle
[11:27] <foobarry> might interest some ppl
[11:29] <popey> foobarry: watch the trailer for Scotland Yard. It's funny.
[11:30] <popey> 1) American accent, 2) The way he pronounces 'retina'
[11:30] <foobarry> i have that game irl but haven't played
[11:30] <foobarry> wife wants to play on saturday
[11:30] <foobarry> some of the ads made my stomach churn. seem like 80s kids ads
[12:32] <diddledan> https://ifttt.com/blog/2016/11/the-new-ifttt-is-here
[12:33] <diddledan> ^^^ does that mean we can't make an "if this then that" with any arbitrary input and output anymore but can only use pre-packaged solutions?
[12:34] <diddledan> applets suggest that the action and cause are all predefined meaning we can't make it do what we really want
[12:36] <davmor2> popey: that's not an american accent it's the nottingham twang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXaH9dZcR2c
[12:54] <popey> hah
[13:04] <diddledan> Katie Hopkins endorses Trump. That's about as much evidence we need to indicate that we're *****
[13:11] <DJones> Anybody want to start a business building nuclear fallout shelters, the way votes and poll's are going I'm half expecting nuclear war within the next couple of years
[13:16] <diddledan> who remembers this PoS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterActual_Player
[13:23] <diddledan> lol: https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/796321018180681729
[13:24] <DJones> diddledan: http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2756614.1471542397!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/statue.jpg (Dpn't look if you want to keep your breakfast and lunch down)
[14:13] <diddledan> oh gawd, now we really are ****** https://twitter.com/Tony_Robinson/status/796312162453032960
[16:44] <diddledan> wow, I think I've found a DVD that makemkv can't rip
[16:48]  * davmor2 diddledan stop with the lies already ;)
[16:48] <diddledan> o_O
[16:51] <davmor2> diddledan: is it by chance a disney one?
[16:51] <diddledan> nope, it's Spawn Director's Cut
[16:52] <diddledan> packaged by "Entertainment in Video" by the looks of the copyright
[17:00] <diddledan> interesting. vlc plays it ok but the title is listed as being 13 hours long, where playing back seems to be at faster than real-time on the timeer output. a few seconds into playback and the counter already reports I'm at 10 minutes
[17:02] <diddledan> looks to be roughly reporting 10:1 seconds
[18:29] <blackcrocodile_> !temerut Gene Wolfe - [Book of the New Sun 01-02] - Shadow and Claw (mobi).rar
[18:53] <diddledan> Using a business line for piracy, eh
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> i have been tempted to pirate recently... couldn't order in an audio book version as none is available anymore of a favourite book of mine...
[20:11] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: yarr
[20:11] <diddledan> We shall henceforth call you captain jack sparrow
[20:12] <diddledan> Reminds me.


[06:25] <nk121> Hi #cloud-init. Question about upstart jobs -- is it safe to assume that after all of cloud init stuff is done, it starts the service?
[10:53] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: "The service"?
[10:53] <nk121> i mean the upstart job
[10:54] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: Which job are you referring to?
[10:54] <nk121> an upstart job included in the cloud-init configuration
[10:55] <nk121> does it get started at the end of everything being run?
[10:55] <nk121> it seems to, but i'm not sure when in the lifecycle its started (like is it the last thing that happens when cloud init is run?)
[10:56] <nk121> (so should runcmd and user data scripts assume that the upstart job is not running)
[10:58] <nk121> Odd_Bloke: ^
[10:58] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: I'm not sure how the ordering is determined, I'm afraid.
[10:59] <nk121> Odd_Bloke: That's ok, of course. :)
[10:59] <Odd_Bloke> smoser might be able to help out, but he's on EST so won't be around for a few hours.
[11:00] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: Examining the code, it looks like there isn't a defined ordering; so things will be executed in the order Python's dict implementation spits them out.
[11:00] <Odd_Bloke> But it just takes me missing one line for that to be completely wrong. :)
[11:00] <nk121> Yeah
[11:02] <nk121> hmm, so then its probably not safe to have a dependency on write_files and runcmd (i have a script that is written out in write_files and then executed as a specific user in runcmd)
[11:02] <nk121> so far, it seems to run my runcmd block after the file is created
[11:25] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: Aha, OK, I think the ordering is defined by cloud.cfg.
[11:26] <nk121> is that a section?
[11:26] <nk121> or you mean, a file in the source
[11:26] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: That'll (probably) live in /etc/cloud; it should be installed by your cloud-init package.
[11:28] <nk121> hmm
[11:28] <nk121> cloud_config_modules:
[11:28] <nk121> # Emit the cloud config ready event
[11:28] <nk121> # this can be used by upstart jobs for 'start on cloud-config'.
[11:28] <nk121>  - emit_upstart
[11:29] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: So I think the upstart job is written out before any of these things run.
[11:30] <nk121> okay i'll have to continue this in the morning, its way past my bed time (i'm in PST). thanks for your help tonight
[11:31] <Odd_Bloke> nk121: Sleep well! :)
[11:48] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Daily reminder for https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/fix-smartos/+merge/252874 :)
[12:59] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, is that python2 safe ?
[12:59] <smoser> does ser.readline() return something that can be .decode()ed in python2 ?
[13:00] <smoser> nk121, the job will be written pretty early in boot.
[13:00] <smoser> so unless you're upstart job is set to run really early, it will be started by upstart.
[13:01] <smoser> but cloud-init lets upstart take care of that.
[13:01] <smoser> the 'emit upstart' isn't waht does it.
[13:09] <smoser> merged
[13:11] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: You can decode() anything in Python 2.
[13:11] <Odd_Bloke> >>> "".decode().decode().decode()
[13:11] <Odd_Bloke> u''
[13:11] <smoser> yeah, just tested that locally.
[16:51] <suro-patz> logger url
[16:57] <suro-patz> logger: url
[17:08] <harlowja> suro-patz there is no logger in most public channels; thats typically a y! concept ;)
[17:09] <suro-patz> is there a archive for cloud-init, I do not see that in pipermail
[17:10] <Odd_Bloke> suro-patz: It is logged to irclogs.ubuntu.com (e.g. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/17/%23cloud-init.html)
[17:10] <Odd_Bloke> I _think_ that is updated hourly.
[17:10] <suro-patz> cool! thanks Odd_Bloke
[19:08] <nk121> smoser: thanks. Could you clarify/confirm: 1) Is it a safe assumption to be run a file written in a write_files section in a runcmd or user data script? 2) If an upstart job is added via cloud-init, can you assume that its been installed into /etc/init and started before code in runcmd/user_data_script is run?
[19:09] <smoser> nk121, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/config/cloud.cfg
[19:10] <smoser> write-files writes the files.
[19:11] <smoser> scripts-user in cloud_final_modules is what runs your 'runcmd' provided stuff.
[19:11] <smoser> so yes. 1 is safe and guaranteed.
[19:11] <nk121> ok, so for 1) write_files is in init, and runcmd is in config and user-data is in final, so that seems correct
[19:12] <smoser> 2 is guaranteed except for if init system is not upstart (which... in vivid it is not and wont be in 16.04)
[19:12] <nk121> oh not, not run-cmd itself?
[19:12] <smoser> run-cmd itself actually just writes the command to a script that will later get run. interestingly :)
[19:12] <nk121> sorry i mean run-cmd doesn't run run-cmd
[19:12] <nk121> ah
[19:13] <nk121> ok, so you are saying though i should not assume in the long run that my upstart job will be running when my runcmd/user-data script is run as that will change in a future ubuntu
[19:13] <nk121> within a stage, is that the order htey are run in?
[19:14] <nk121> err, you are implying ubuntu is moving away from upstart?
[19:15] <smoser> yes. within a stage they're run in that order.
[19:15] <nk121> oh, systemd replacement
[19:15] <smoser> yes, 15.04 will use systemd by default.
[19:15] <smoser> and thus 16.04.
[19:16] <nk121> okay, got it. thank you.
[19:16] <smoser> i'm not planningon making cloud-init in any version magically convert upstart to systemd jobs
[19:17] <smoser> but there will likelyi be in a future cloud-init a way to write systemd jobs like you can write the upstart jobs now.
[22:35] <suro-patz> smoser: there?
[23:32] <smoser> suro-patz, here for 3 minutes maybe
[23:43] <harlowja_> hmmm, i think he just wanted your feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~suro-patz/cloud-init/vm-clone-ip-reusage-issue
[23:44] <harlowja_> if u get some time; u seem to have thoughts on that idea; so i'm gonna let u decide if thats ok to let in, lol
[23:45] <suro-patz> thanks harlowja_ !
[23:46] <harlowja_> np
[23:46] <harlowja_> although i think i missed him to, lol
[23:46] <harlowja_> was 10 minutes to late
[23:48] <smoser> ...
[23:48] <smoser> oh man.
[23:48] <smoser> that is just a mess.
[23:48] <smoser> (not your code, but the whole non-deterministic network state behavior of cloud-init)
[23:48] <smoser> magic fixes in 2.0
[23:49] <smoser> i have to read/think more than i hve time for now. will try to look tomorrow
[23:49] <suro-patz> sure smoser
[23:50] <smoser> later.
[23:50] <smoser> and happy st. patricks day :)


[06:53] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: hey, did you get to do the blog post?
[06:55] <smartboyhw> pleia2, JoseeAntonioR heyas
[06:56] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, smartboyhw
[06:57] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: nope
[06:57] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: it's been a rough week, had to put a lot of things on hold
[06:57] <JoseeAntonioR> no worries, take your time
[06:57] <pleia2> hi there smartboyhw
[06:58] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, pleia2 what blog post?
[06:58] <smartboyhw> pleia2, BTW will Xubuntu be in Beta 1?
[06:58] <pleia2> smartboyhw: asking for more summary writers
[06:58] <pleia2> smartboyhw: and I think so re: xubuntu
[06:58] <smartboyhw> pleia2, ah LOL
[06:58]  * smartboyhw shouldn't have used lol
[06:58] <smartboyhw> Stupid me
[06:58] <smartboyhw> Anyway I will write some later...
[06:59] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:13] <pleia2> Silverlion: what's up?
[22:14] <Silverlion> pleia2: thx for getting back to me ... duanedesign and I are doing the clean-up for the BT Pages u asked for and thought you might want to join
[22:14] <pleia2> Silverlion:I would love to, but get back to me in June :) I'm super busy with new job + wedding planning right now
[22:15] <Silverlion> pleia2: no rush ^^ we're just doing some editing. feel free to have a look when there is time for :D
[22:15] <pleia2> will do, I've been seeing the mails on list and I'm happy to see it
[22:16] <Silverlion> pleia2: may I ask for a favor of yours?
[22:17] <Silverlion> I am running for membership at ubuntu community and seeing that you have mentioned the council in your wiki page makes me wish to get a testimonial of yours if possible
[22:18] <pleia2> Silverlion: I don't do testimonials these days (I feel I have a bit too much weight as a CC member)
[22:18] <Silverlion> :(
[22:18] <Silverlion> but totally understandable ^^ but you "know" me since the beginning of my "career" at this community that is why i was asking
[22:19]  * pleia2 nods
[22:19] <pleia2> it got to the point where there was a bit of "pleia2 supports, they must be great!" and I didn't really feel comfortable with that
[22:23] <pleia2> time to put away the IRC and enjoy the sunshine, later :)
[22:28] <Silverlion> totally understandable. enjoy the sun!


[14:55] <jrwren> TIL: systemd-inhibit --list
[14:55] <jrwren> https://trstringer.com/systemd-inhibitor-locks/
[15:59] <cmaloney> I wish there was a way to have systemd not wait 1:30 for a process to end
[15:59] <cmaloney> when trying to shut down the system
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> Just hold in the power button, it'll be fine :P