[04:15] <vychune> o/
[04:23] <chibihogoshino> what are you doing up this late vychune ?
[04:23] <chibihogoshino> isnt it past your bed time ?
[04:23] <vychune> SHUT UP! lol
[04:23] <chibihogoshino> heh
[04:23] <vychune> facebooking
[04:23] <chibihogoshino> evil booking
[04:24] <vychune> tf?
[04:24] <chibihogoshino> huh
[04:24] <vychune> the f**k? short for wtf?
[04:25] <chibihogoshino> oh
[04:25] <chibihogoshino> facebook is evil
[04:26] <chibihogoshino> its been shit even since they opened it up to more than students
[04:26] <vychune> movie proved that lol
[04:26] <chibihogoshino> didnt see it
[04:26] <vychune> me eiether
[04:27] <chibihogoshino> im going to sleep..
[04:27] <chibihogoshino> peace
[04:27] <vychune> gn
[18:23] <vychune> o/
[18:32] <wrst> hello vychune
[18:33] <vychune> how you doing
[18:33] <wrst> pretty good you?
[18:34] <vychune> good
[18:36] <wrst> its very silent in here today isn't it?
[18:36] <vychune> yep
[18:36] <vychune> my house too
[18:36] <vychune> need a job man
[18:37] <wrst> oh i was speaking in the channel here :) what are you looking for?
[18:38] <vychune> anything that earns me money for right now
[18:51] <vychune> reboot by accident
[18:51] <wrst> but you survived
[18:53] <vychune> LOL
[19:39] <pace_t_zulu> where is vychune, memphis?
[19:43] <orias> yeah
[22:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst ping
[22:13] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[22:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: do you recall me talking about DNS issues at vandy?
[22:14] <wrst> yes i do vaguely pace_t_zulu
[22:17] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i produced a movie with a guy i work with to document it... tell me what you think...
[22:17] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/staff/haitas/dns/
[22:19] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[22:20] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: on way home will catch later
[22:20] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no worries... just thought i'd get your feedback on it....
[22:27] <wrst> will do pace_t_zulu!
[22:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ty :)
[22:33] <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu
[22:33] <cyberanger> what's up?
[22:36] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you recall me talking about a vanderbilt dns issue?
[22:36] <cyberanger> to an extent
[22:36] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i produced a little movie to document it with the help of a friend
[22:37] <cyberanger> cool
[22:37] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/staff/haitas/dns/
[22:37] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: do you mind giving me feedback... i reckon it is pretty clear
[22:39] <cyberanger> I don't mind at all, howeverif I may wait for an even better moment, might be better
[22:39] <cyberanger> multitasking as it is
[22:40] <pace_t_zulu> the video is < 1 min ... if that makes a difference
[22:44] <cyberanger> it does, in your favor
[22:44] <cyberanger> ;-)
[22:44] <cyberanger> rsync will burn that much time
[22:45] <cyberanger> ok, pulling it up here
[22:47] <cyberanger> hang on, might help to start xorg, whoops ;-)
[22:48] <cyberanger> here we go
[22:48] <cyberanger> loading it
[22:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: cool
[22:53] <cyberanger> might help if I could play it, tells me I need a plugin, doesn't say what plugin
[22:54] <pace_t_zulu> xine
[22:54] <pace_t_zulu> i hear
[22:54] <cyberanger> xine?
[22:55] <pace_t_zulu> xine plugin is what my buddy running kubuntu used
[22:56] <cyberanger> ah, is it just an MP4?
[22:56] <cyberanger> or avi
[22:56] <cyberanger> the file on the backend?
[23:01] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ?
[23:01] <pace_t_zulu> mp4
[23:01] <pace_t_zulu> called by a mov wrapper
[23:01] <pace_t_zulu> h.264 encoded i believe... i'll double check
[23:02] <cyberanger> do you have a direct link, I can just pull it up in Vlc if you do
[23:02] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea... h.264 encoded
[23:02] <pace_t_zulu> sure
[23:03] <cyberanger> I don't have many plugins installed, grabbed vlc's (I install Adobe Flash, but only when in duress ;-))
[23:04] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/staff/haitas/dns/dns-demo.mov
[23:07] <cyberanger> /usr/lib/firefox-4.0.1/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libvlcplugin.so: undefined symbol: NPP_Initialize
[23:07] <cyberanger> followed by a crash :-/
[23:08] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i can't watch the vidoe, firefox tells me plugin missing
[23:08]  * wrst tries on chromium
[23:08] <wrst> hmm
[23:08] <wrst> no dice
[23:09] <wrst> what format is that pace_t_zulu?
[23:09] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/staff/haitas/dns/dns-demo%20-%20Computer.m4v
[23:09] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://www.psy.vanderbilt.edu/staff/haitas/dns/dns-demo%20-%20Computer.m4v
[23:09] <pace_t_zulu> h.264
[23:09] <pace_t_zulu> that .mov link is just a wrapper
[23:10] <wrst> holy smokin' internet connections batman!
[23:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: say what?
[23:12] <wrst> looking at your download speeds pace_t_zulu :)
[23:12] <wrst> huge difference with that dns change
[23:12]  * wrst hopes he didn't miss the point
[23:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: that is the point
[23:13] <wrst> ok i thought it was rather obvious but i have missed the obvious before :)
[23:13] <pace_t_zulu> OpenDNS is resolving us to a west coast server... by reverting back to the old config (pre-OpenDNS) we resolve to the east coast
[23:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: exactly... the video is meant to hit you over the head
[23:14] <wrst> it did!
[23:14] <wrst> opendns here actually speeds me up but i have crappy internet :)
[23:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: good... exactly what we were going for
[23:15] <wrst> and they advertise that you guys use them they need to get it fixed!
[23:15]  * wrst heads out
[23:15] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its only a problem for regionally distributed domains
[23:15]  * pace_t_zulu does the same
[23:21] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: sorry, working on networking too, whoops :-)
[23:27] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: it doesn't want to play
[23:37] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ping


[08:07] <webstones_> hello
[10:17] <dad> anyone else have a problem with KDECONNECT stalling when sending files?
[10:17] <dad> if i send 20 files or so it stalls out
[10:18] <dad> just reboot the phone, send again
[10:18] <dad> stalls at 7 files
[10:20] <dad> https://imgur.com/a/jqmtZxQ
[10:25] <dad> i just rebooted the computer and now it stalls at 3 files !
[10:25] <dad> HALP!
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[21:07] <jairo_> Hello There! I need some help with network connections instability. Anyone can help me?
[21:07] <tomreyn> maybe someone can after you provided some details
[21:08] <tomreyn> !details
[21:15] <jairo_> Operating System: Kubuntu 20.04
[21:15] <jairo_> KDE Plasma Version: 5.18.5
[21:15] <jairo_> Kernel Version: 5.4.0-42-generic
[21:15] <jairo_> OS Type: 64-bit
[21:15] <jairo_> Processors: 2 × Intel® Celeron® CPU N2830 @ 2.16GHz
[21:15] <jairo_> Memory: 3,7 GiB of RAM
[21:15] <jairo_> My internet keeps dropping and to come back,I enable and disable airplane mode.
[21:18] <jairo_> Is it enough information?
[21:33] <tomreyn> jairo_: that's a good start. please use a pastebin for pasting multi-line text here in the future.
[21:34] <tomreyn> jairo_: can you show    lspci -knnv | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:34] <tomreyn> jairo_: this will require an active network connection to work out
[21:34] <tomreyn> *internet
[21:35] <jairo_> @tomreyn, ok Im a newbie at IRC Sorry!
[21:35] <tomreyn> jairo_: no worries ;)
[21:42] <jairo_> Paste from Jairo_ at Sat, 29 Aug 2020 21:41:57 +0000
[21:42] <jairo_> @tomreyn
[21:42] <tomreyn> whats the url, jairo_ ?
[21:43] <jairo_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9MTmsCjBvR/
[21:44] <tomreyn> so the wireless chipset seems to be a    Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:3290]    driven by the    rt2800pci    kernel module
[21:45] <tomreyn> jairo_: did the wireless drop at least once since you last booted?
[21:46] <jairo_> @tomreyn Yes it did
[21:47] <tomreyn> point taken
[21:47] <tomreyn> jairo_:    dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:50] <jairo_>  @tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G6yz3cMVsG/
[21:51] <jairo_> I notice that I actually, don't need to enable the air plane mode. it just gets VERY slow.
[21:53] <tomreyn> "deauthenticating from ... by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)"
[21:53] <tomreyn> this looks like a driver or firmware problem
[21:53] <jairo_> @tomreyn How to fix it please
[21:54] <tomreyn> jairo_: i don't really know. :-/ are you dual-booting with windows or another OS by chance?
[21:55] <jairo_> @tomreyn: Nop This is a fresh Kubuntu Install
[21:56] <jairo_> I just install few programs; Gimp, ICQ, chrome, etc...
[21:58] <tomreyn> i read that sometimes adding the    nohwcrypt=1    kernel module option can help. but this may be outdated info
[21:59] <tomreyn> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/690368
[22:01] <jairo_> I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230525/ubuntu-20-04-network-performance-extremely-slow
[22:02] <tomreyn> thats different hardware, though
[22:02] <tomreyn> see the link i posted, give the suggested workaround a try
[22:07] <jairo_> tomreyn: thats the command I have to put on Terminal?
[22:07] <jairo_> sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf > /dev/null
[22:07] <jairo_> echo "options rt2800pci nohwcrypt=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf > /dev/null
[22:07] <jairo_> Or this?
[22:08] <tomreyn> jairo_: the latter looks fine
[22:10] <jairo_> tomreyn: Sorry, I didn't get it. What do you mean by the latter looks fine?
[22:10] <jairo_> which command shoud I use?
[22:11] <tomreyn> jairo_:   echo 'options rt2800pci nohwcrypt=1' | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf > /dev/null
[22:12] <jairo_> I Think it did nothing
[22:12] <jairo_> Should I restart?
[22:13] <tomreyn> this just writes the line 'options rt2800pci nohwcrypt=1' to the (newly created) file /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf. and by doing so, instructs the kernel to load the "rt2800pci" kernel module (driver) with the additional option of "nohwcrypt=1" next time it will load it.
[22:14] <tomreyn> $ modinfo -p rt2800pci
[22:14] <tomreyn> nohwcrypt:Disable hardware encryption. (bool)
[22:15] <tomreyn> in other words, this option makes the module not use hardware encryption but fall back to software encrpytion. which can mean that your cpu needs to work a tiny bit more, but it may solve the wireless problems.
[22:15] <tomreyn> jairo_: he easiest option is to reboot now, yes
[22:15] <tomreyn> jairo_: hte easiest option is to reboot now, yes
[22:15] <tomreyn> *the ;)
[22:16] <jairo_> alright
[22:16] <jairo_> ill be back in 5
[22:16] <tomreyn> if this doesn't seem to help you can    sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf     afterwards
[22:30] <jairo_> tomreyn: by the way, the internet never connect automatically when I start the computer
[22:45] <tomreyn> jairo_: hmm, did this change seem to help, though?
[22:47] <jairo_> tomreyn: Nope, i did not. The internet just droped.
[22:47] <jairo_> I dont think I did it wright
[23:08] <jairo_> tomreyn: Im back buddy!
[23:09] <tomreyn> jairo_: temporarily, or generally?
[23:10] <tomreyn> can you      cat /etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf
[23:13] <jairo_> options rt2800pci nohwcrypt=1
[23:13] <jairo_> thats the outcome
[23:14] <tomreyn> jairo_: so this change succeeded. and does it seem to have helped?
[23:14] <jairo_> it did not help
[23:14] <tomreyn> you seem to have been connected for 10 minutes now, which is more than you could remain connected before.
[23:16] <jairo_> let me try to play aroud.
[23:17] <tomreyn> i suggest also looking for a bios update
[23:17] <tomreyn> you have version F.08, which sounds very early. similar models to yours are at version F.30 and similar
[23:18] <tomreyn> i don't know your exact model number, though
[23:18] <tomreyn> HP Pavilion 11 x360 PC/2209 is not the naming scheme HP uses on their website
[23:18] <jairo_> It seems to be working fine know
[23:18] <jairo_> How can i upadate my bios?
[23:19] <tomreyn> find the model number first, it's usually printed on the bottom of the computer, and may also be displayed right after powering it on
[23:20] <jairo_> Product: J2M52LA#AC4
[23:21] <jairo_> is it?
[23:21] <tomreyn> hmm i assume that's the battery rather
[23:21] <tomreyn> the model number would be "11-n010dx" in this example:   HP Pavilion 11-n010dx x360 PC
[23:22] <tomreyn> oh actually J2M52LA#AC4 seem to work
[23:22] <tomreyn> if you type it here:
[23:22] <tomreyn> https://support.hp.com/us-en
[23:23] <tomreyn> in the "Identify your product for manuals and specific product information" box
[23:23] <tomreyn> are you in brazil?
[23:24] <tomreyn> yes, looks like you are, so it seems to be https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-11-n000-x360-pc-series/6796818/model/7484019
[23:24] <tomreyn> direct link to bios https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-pavilion-11-n000-x360-pc-series/6796818/model/7484019/swItemId/ob-207446-2
[23:24] <tomreyn> see "installation instructions" below
[23:25] <tomreyn> but i guess we worked around the network problem, too
[23:25] <jairo> Ops It just Dropped again
[23:26] <tomreyn> jairo_: ah crap, what'S the last thing you read?
[23:26] <jairo_> tomreyn: you see. it is jus a matter of time to the connection to drop
[23:26] <jairo_> in the "Identify your product for manuals and specific product information" box
[23:27] <tomreyn> okay, did you look it up?
[23:27] <tomreyn> direct link to bios https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-pavilion-11-n000-x360-pc-series/6796818/model/7484019/swItemId/ob-207446-2
[23:27] <jairo_> HP Pavilion 11-n026 brx360 pc BRZL
[23:27] <tomreyn> latest is indeed F.30 Rev A, you're on F.08, stone age
[23:28] <tomreyn> BIOS F.08 05/09/2014 is what you have now
[23:28] <jairo_> how do I update it?
[23:28] <tomreyn> see "installation instructions" on the bottom of the page
[23:29] <tomreyn> hmm i guess those are for windows
[23:29] <tomreyn> thats an insyde bios
[23:30] <tomreyn> the only update mechanism HP supports for it will be on windows, i think
[23:30] <jairo_> sp86809.exe this is a .exe file
[23:32] <tomreyn> that's right. it's a self-extracting zip archive. you can open it with an archive file viewer
[23:32] <jairo_> This culd fix de problem?
[23:32] <jairo__> What about this command:   $ sudo rm etc/modprobe.d/rt2800pcifix.conf
[23:33] <tomreyn> the bios update might fix the problem, not sure
[23:33] <tomreyn> it's not very likely, but possible. it may fix other problems, though, or improve performance
[23:34] <tomreyn> the rm command just undoes what we did earlier
[23:34] <tomreyn> if you like, post this oneline, so i can take anothe rlooka t your logs:   journalctl -b > /tmp/log; cat /tmp/log | nc termbin.com 9999
 the bios update might fix the problem, not sure
 it's not very likely, but possible. it may fix other problems, though, or improve performance
 the rm command just undoes what we did earlier
 if you like, post this oneline, so i can take anothe rlooka t your logs:   journalctl -b > /tmp/log; cat /tmp/log | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:42] <tomreyn> you may be able to do the bios update by extracting the archive to a usb attached storage, on a fat32 formatted file system on the first mbr partition
[23:43] <jairo__> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YDP3mP5QHJ/
[23:43] <tomreyn> then reboot, enter bios, and select this bios update from there
[23:44] <tomreyn> hmm, this log is cut off again
[23:45] <jairo__> Duuude, thats a lot information to me! lol
[23:45] <jairo__> tomreyn: so I extract from a windows?
[23:46] <jairo__> What is a cot off log?
[23:46] <tomreyn> jairo__: first of all, reboot, enter bios, see if you have an option there to install a bios update from a usb attached / "local" storage
[23:46] <tomreyn> jairo__: actually, before you do this, check whether you have an external usb storage which you can delete for this purpose
[23:47] <tomreyn> when those preconsidtions are met i can guide you through the rest
[23:47] <tomreyn> * preconditions
[23:49] <jairo__> if I have a option to install a bios from a USB,  (I do have a external USB) if I have this option will appear a /"USB Name" storage to update de bios
[23:50] <tomreyn> is this a stement? is it a question?
[23:50] <tomreyn> is this a statement? is it a question?
[23:51] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what you're asking, or whether your recapping.


[02:40] <pleia2> d'oh, I didn't know there was a San Diego one either!
[02:41] <pleia2> would have social mediaed it on the california account :\
[02:42] <pleia2> I'll add it to the jam wiki for historical tracking
[02:42] <nhaines> pleia2: nobody knew about it!
[02:42] <pleia2> I just checked the mailing list, thinking I'd missed the announcement
[02:42] <nhaines> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/ET7WDW1.png
[02:42] <darthrobot> Content type: [image/png] Size: [3432]
[02:43] <pleia2> hehe
[02:43] <pleia2> I guess it was on loco.ubuntu.com, but I guess I don't navigate directly to the california team page very often :)
[02:43] <ianorlin> I do sometimes
[02:43] <ianorlin> but check email more often
[02:43] <nhaines> I avoid the loco directory as a rule but I've had to put events up there anyway.
[02:44] <ianorlin> pleia2, find anything intersting in the jam?
[02:44] <pleia2> ianorlin: the san francisco one is tomorrow :)
[02:44] <ianorlin> ah
[02:44] <DonkeyHotei> so is berkeleylug
[02:45] <DonkeyHotei> at the same time, even
[02:45] <pleia2> yeah, berkeleylug is noon-3, jam is noon-5, so I invited them over post-jam :)
[02:45] <pleia2> err post, berkeleylug
[02:45] <DonkeyHotei> loco page says 1-5
[02:45] <DonkeyHotei> it's 12-5?
[02:45] <pleia2> where does it say 1-5?
[02:46] <pleia2> the loco.ubuntu.com has noon, the wiki doesn't have a time at all (oops)
[02:46]  * pleia2 fixes wiki
[02:46] <DonkeyHotei> ah, i didn't refresh the page, says 12-5 now
[02:47] <DonkeyHotei> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2984-ubuntu-california-san-francisco-qa-jam/
[02:47] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California San Francisco QA Jam | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:47] <DonkeyHotei> that page
[02:47] <pleia2> weird
[02:47] <pleia2> but it definitely is noon-5
[02:49] <DonkeyHotei> now it does
[02:49] <DonkeyHotei> after i refreshed
[02:49] <DonkeyHotei> said 1-3 before
[02:49] <DonkeyHotei> oops, i mean 1-5
[02:50] <pleia2> not sure what to tell you, unless someone else edited it at some point, it was always noon - 5
[02:50]  * nhaines edits the wiki again.
[02:50] <nhaines> Or *was* it?
[02:50] <pleia2> that's what my announcement from the 13th says too (noon-5), which I forwarded everywhere
[02:52] <pleia2> anyway I guess I'm waiting until the morning to grab fresh isos, the xubuntu ones come down around 10:00 UTC, Lubuntu looking to be around 1700 or later, bah
[02:53] <ianorlin> yep Lubuntu is like that
[02:53] <ianorlin> the alternate comes donw first
[02:53] <pleia2> ah, good to know
[02:54] <pleia2> doing just PPC for Lubuntu, bringing along a CD-R or Alternate and DVD-R for currently oversized Desktop PPC
[02:55] <DonkeyHotei> will there be usb sticks for optical-less machines?
[02:55] <nhaines> Or optical drives?
[02:55] <pleia2> I'm only doing USB sticks for the Xubuntu stuff
[02:55] <pleia2> the discs are just for the PPC machine
[02:55] <DonkeyHotei> ah ok
[02:56] <pleia2> I'm not even sure it boots from USB, never tried :)
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> it can boot from firewire but not usb
[02:57] <pleia2> figures
[03:08] <ianorlin> might bring a disk of plop as well
[03:09] <pleia2> plop?
[03:09] <nhaines> I had that once.  Doctor gave me a cream and cleared it right up.
[03:09] <ianorlin> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html
[03:09] <darthrobot> Title: [Plop Boot Manager 5.0 - Table of Contents]
[03:12] <pleia2> we're doing iso testing, so if there are boot problems that's a failed test
[03:12] <pleia2> not overly concerned with bringing along tools to fix that (like we would for an installfest)
[03:15] <DonkeyHotei> i've seen machines with a bios that prohibited booting from cd but not from floppy
[03:17] <ianorlin> that is more for when motherboard won't boot off usb
[03:33] <pleia2> I'll keep it in mind :)
[06:43] <elky> ianorlin: rww suggests you were doing meeting stuff from last fortnight at some point?
[06:43] <ianorlin> I changed the topic
[06:43] <elky> that's all?
[06:43] <ianorlin> not any forum or minutes stuff sorry
[06:44] <elky> hoo boy.
[06:44] <elky> next meeting is tomorrow. could you do an email while i get the web stuff in order?
[06:44] <elky> unless nhaines did already?
[06:46] <ianorlin> ok yes I can send the email
[06:48] <elky> except i can't even load the wiki right now
[06:57] <elky> because rww is installing debian
[06:57] <rww> and we have slow internet because we have cheap comcast
[06:57] <DonkeyHotei> cheap comcast is faster than anything non-comcast
[06:57] <elky> we don't even have broadband if the fcc does the right thing
[06:58] <rww> DonkeyHotei: yeah, I concluded this too
[06:58] <rww> AT&T is the only other option I could find here, and it was less speed for more money
[06:58] <DonkeyHotei> aren't you in walnut creek?
[06:58] <rww> nope, north of the bridges
[06:58] <elky> and arguably more evil
[06:59] <DonkeyHotei> solano county?
[06:59] <rww> yep
[06:59] <DonkeyHotei> how far from the CO?
[06:59] <rww> the what
[07:00] <DonkeyHotei> https://www.sonic.com/availability
[07:00] <darthrobot> Title: [Check Availability | Internet, Phone + TV | SONIC]
[07:00] <rww> I already looked into them, answer was no.
[07:00] <rww> Along with every other ISP you can think of, I expect.
[07:00] <DonkeyHotei> look again
[07:02] <rww> "The Sonic address qualification tool is down for maintenance every night between the hours of 11PM and 2AM PST."
[07:02] <rww> god only knows why
[07:02] <nhaines> rww: so it can be cleaned and put back each night.
[07:03] <DonkeyHotei> would've been nice to check 3 minutes earlier
[07:03] <nhaines> Yeah.  that's really just poor planning on your part.
[07:04] <rww> I'll check it tomorrow, if I remember. Checked it not that long ago (month or two?) though, so...
[07:04] <rww> on the other hand, if they did suddenly get service here, I'm not in-contract with Comcast so yay
[07:05] <DonkeyHotei> it tells you your distance from the CO
[07:05] <elky> ianorlin: are you doing the meeting wiki stuff? thiings keep changing and i keep getting lockouts because you're editing
[07:05] <rww> is this one of those side questions that determines why I don't have ISP coverage when what I actually care about is that I don't have ISP coverage
[07:06] <ianorlin> Yes I am doing meeting wiki stuff
[07:06] <elky> ok i'll leave you to it, thanks :)
[17:28]  * nhaines considers canceling tonight's meeting because Better Call Saul is debuting coterminously.
[17:28] <nhaines> Maybe not. :)
[17:43]  * pleia2 yawns
[17:43] <pleia2> pulling down 2/8 isos and putting on usb sticks
[17:43] <pleia2> this is probably the most difficult part of jams, all the needs-to-be-done-last-minute stuff due to the daily iso testing release cycle
[17:43] <pleia2> doing things last minute gives me hives :)
[17:46] <nhaines> haha
[17:46] <nhaines> Just think of the excitement!
[17:47] <pleia2> mostly I'm fretting about usb-creator-gtk taking like a 100 years per usb stick, I have 8 to do!
[17:47]  * pleia2 fires up some additional machines to speed production
[17:48] <akk> Could you use dd after the first one?
[17:48] <pleia2> unfortunately not, dd is murder on cheap usb sticks
[17:49] <akk> slow also? or is it bad for them somehow?
[17:49] <pleia2> really slow and since dd is block by block it does more writing than these things are typically prepared to handle
[18:48] <MichaelPaoli> Ubuntu California San Francisco QA Jam http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2984-ubuntu-california-san-francisco-qa-jam/ preceded by Ubuntu Hour Berkeley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2987-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/
[18:48] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California San Francisco QA Jam | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[18:48] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[21:04] <rww> hello from QA Jam!
[21:10] <ianorlin> hi
[21:31] <nhaines> rww: how's it going?
[21:32] <rww> nhaines: done testing on one computer, installing on another now
[21:33] <rww> me, elky, jyo, pleia2, and einfeldt are here right now
[22:13] <rww> DonkeyHotei and a few others just showed up :)
[22:23] <MichaelPaoli> Howdy, ... fair number still at BerkeleyLUG ... and I'm sure some of us will be joining Global Jam a little later (and some may have already headed there or already be there).
[22:25] <pleia2> thanks for the heads up :)
[22:31] <nhaines> pleia2: translation: need more salad.
[22:32] <elky> i think they just came from a pizza place, if they need more then they should take a doggy bag
[22:46] <MichaelPaoli> Salad sounds good.  :-) ... I was even thinking that earlier ... already did pizza here. ... of course cookies and/or refreshments work great too.  :-)
[22:49] <DonkeyHotei> hi folks, connecting with pidgin in the xubuntu live session here at global jam, and already reported a bug!
[22:58] <MichaelPaoli> Several headed towards Global Jam - I'll be en route too quite shortly.
[22:58] <danielg4> apparently xubuntu has a second irc client as well, Thunderbird
[22:58] <rww> You want the building that looks like https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/16264158220/in/photostream/
[22:58] <darthrobot> Title: [121 2nd Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[22:59] <danielg4> rww is next to me
[22:59] <DonkeyHotei> and me!
[23:55] <elky> i just added "bug jam reports" as an agenda item
[23:56] <elky> hopefully phillip and/or co. will appear and tell us something about the San Diego one since we know nothing of it
[23:57] <nhaines> Perhaps it was all a dream.
[23:58] <rww> careful elky, insisting on event organization and reporting got people ousted by LC in the past :P
[23:58] <nhaines> Even when they weren't in charge!


[01:36]  * tsimonq2 scratches head at Launchpad timeouts but doesn't expect anyone to come to his rescue given the day of year
[01:36] <tsimonq2> (meh, it was me)


[11:38] <mthaddon> LeoNerd: thx!
[11:38] <LeoNerd> .. for?
[11:38] <LeoNerd> Ohright.. the diff thing? That was aaages ago
[11:38] <mthaddon> the hint about "bzr di --old=path/to/branch --new=path/to/branch"
[11:39] <LeoNerd> Ahyes
[11:39] <mthaddon> yeah, just saw it in backscroll
[15:25] <LeoNerd> I'm going to use bzr in a directory that is dual-shared with another revision control system, purely so I can have a 'shelve' functionallity ((because the other RCS doesn't have one))
[15:25] <LeoNerd> Any particular gotchas I should be aware of? As long as I'm careful to bzr ci after $other commit, or updates, it should be OK..? I'm only going to 'add' a fwe specific files also, so I'm planning to  bzr ignore *
[16:11] <qengho> $ bzr log -m demo
[16:11] <qengho> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.TypeError: expected string or buffer
[16:11] <qengho> Weird.
[16:14] <mgz> qengho: pastebin `bzr -Derror log -m demo`?
[16:15] <mgz> LeoNerd: provided it's not one bzr has a plugin to recognise, you're probably fine
[16:16] <LeoNerd> mgz: yeah; it's perforce.. should be fine :)
[16:16] <qengho> mgz: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1495715/
[16:22] <mgz> qengho: that is fun. maybe pass -Ddebug and `p strings` `p res`?
[16:22] <mgz> looks like generator confusion rather than an error from re.search though
[16:23] <qengho> Er, what's the env var to break into pdb?
[16:23] <mgz> hm, I guess strings could contain None which would do it
[16:23] <mgz> qengho: sorry, `BZR_PDB=1 bzr log -m demo`
[16:24] <qengho> lazy_regex.LazrRegex has no useful __str__ or __repr__.
[16:25] <mgz> I can't find a bug for this though, so would be great if you could report one, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug
[16:25] <qengho> Okay.
[16:25] <mgz> you should be able to thunk them, but I suspect 'strings' is the cause
[16:26] <qengho> (Pdb) map(type, strings)
[16:26] <qengho> [<type 'unicode'>, <type 'unicode'>, <type 'tuple'>, <type 'unicode'>](Pdb) map(type, strings)
[16:27] <mgz> `fake._real_re_compile()` will give you something inspectable
[16:27] <mgz> heh, tuple 'd do it. guess that's from the colo changes?
[16:28] <qengho> No idea.  It's  (u'https://launchpad.net/bugs/992352', u'fixed') .
[16:29] <mgz> o_O
[16:29] <mgz> what's one of the normal ones?
[16:30] <qengho> Here's the branch, if you want to reproduce. Wife is dragging me away to lunch. ...
[16:30] <mgz> sure :)
[16:31] <qengho> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/chromium-browser/ppa-chromium-browser.lucid.stable
[16:31] <qengho> lp:// should work too.
[16:32] <mgz> ta.
[16:35] <mgz> yeah, fails done remotely in the same way
[16:35] <qengho> mgz: LP: #1096121
[16:36] <mgz> looks like a misparsed debian changelog...
[16:37] <mgz> but what is it actually doing there... >_<
[16:37] <qengho> In case it matters, the only debian-specific ext plugin I have is  builddeb 2.7.0dev
[16:37] <qengho> Lunch.  afk.
[16:40] <mgz> okay, just seems to be a bug in the fancy log matching not realising that rev.iter_bugs() returns a tuple
[16:40] <mgz> should be pretty simple to test and fix
[16:42] <mgz> workaround: using --match-message or other more specific match for now
[16:50] <LarstiQ> LeoNerd: iirc there is a perforce plugin though ;)
[16:51] <LeoNerd> Well.... OK. :) But I happen not to have it installed
[20:24] <dobey> anyone familiar enough with bzr-builder to figure out what's wrong from a traceback?
[20:35] <dobey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/127602321/buildlog.txt.gz is consistently happening with this one recipe, but i have no idea what's actually going wrong here