[12:00] <crypticreign> hawke_: well the changing permission on .ICEauthority didnt work. gonna try to remove vbesave now
[12:00] <hawke_> crypticreign: I can almost guarantee that will be it.
[12:00] <crypticreign> hawke_: can i stop vbesave with chkconfig?
[12:01] <hawke_> crypticreign: I ... don't know.  what's chkconfig do?
[12:01] <crypticreign> a great debian tool.. i had it on my last ubuntu install.. apt-get cant seem to find it now tho
[12:03] <hawke_> crypticreign: I seem to recall it being redhat-based, but...shrug
[12:04] <topyli> isn't chkconfig like update-rc.d?
[12:05] <crypticreign> dunno
[12:05] <ompaul> crypticreign, it is a rpm distro tool -  apt-get install rcconf might be a little tool
[12:05] <crypticreign> whats the curses based services tool?
[12:05] <crypticreign> ah
[12:05] <ompaul> crypticreign, of use in this case
[12:05] <hawke_> topyli: I think so.  But I think chkconfig is much simpler
[12:06] <mz2> hmm, am wondering if the fancy new incarnation of enlightenment is worth trying
[12:06] <topyli> crypticreign: i like sysv-rc-conf. it's a ncurses gui
[12:06] <crypticreign> boooh, it doesnt have vbesave listed
[12:06] <ompaul> hawke, have a look at rcconf and tell me it is hard :)
[12:06] <ompaul> hmm
[12:06] <hawke_> ompaul: I was comparing to update-rc.d
[12:06] <ompaul> yeah different levels
[12:07] <aremedis> howdy, I'm trying to install VPN 3000 and my instructions have me input "Directory containing linux kernel source code " can someone help me find this directory?
[12:07] <hawke_> crypticreign: Is there an /etc/rc3.d/S05vbesave
[12:07] <hawke_> ?
[12:07] <crypticreign> yes
[12:07] <crypticreign> rm it?
[12:07] <ompaul> aremedis, where did you find VPN 3000 ? the only one I have used on linux freebsd windows is OpenVPN
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: yup
[12:08] <aremedis> ompaul: from the university i work for
[12:08] <crypticreign> hawke_: yessir, rebnooting now
[12:08] <ompaul> ahh
[12:08] <topyli> crypticreign: apt tells me rcconf is just about the same thing as sysv-rc-conf, but the command itself is user-friendlier :)
[12:08] <crypticreign> rebooting
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: and rc2.d/S05
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: rc2.d is the important one
[12:08] <crypticreign> oh
[12:08] <hawke_> crypticreign: That's the default runlevel..
[12:10] <bborkk> Is anyone successfully using wxPython 2.5.3 on Ubuntu?
[12:11] <hawke_> bborkk: I am, sort of
[12:11] <hawke_> bborkk: with the musicbrainz 'picard' tagger
[12:11] <bborkk> hawke_: So, I was too until I upgraded to Hoary.
[12:12] <bborkk> hawke_: You're not at ML are you?
[12:12] <hawke_> bborkk: ML?
[12:12] <crypticreign> hawke_: you are my new best friend
[12:12] <hawke_> crypticreign: lol, I take it it worked?
[12:12] <bborkk> hawke_: Guess not.  :)
[12:12] <aremedis> howdy, I'm trying to install VPN 3000 and my instructions have me input "Directory containing linux kernel source code " can someone help me find this directory?
[12:12] <crypticreign> hawke_: yes
[12:13] <hawke_> crypticreign: I had the exact same problem...what model is your laptop / what video chipset does it take?
[12:13] <hawke_> take -> have
[12:13] <bborkk> hawke_: Anyway, I'm using Python 2.4 and it has access to wxPython <IP_ADDRESS>, but not to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[12:14] <hawke_> bborkk: You mean, the package doesn't install, or .. ?
[12:14] <crypticreign> hawke_: dell inspiron 5000, its an ati rage pro
[12:14] <crypticreign> hawke_: hehe, gnome freezes after it laods the background and doesnt show any panel icons or anything
[12:14] <crypticreign> ugh
[12:14] <hawke_> crypticreign: Is that the one that's the same as the Compal N30W?
[12:15] <crypticreign> um, dont know
[12:15] <bborkk> hawke_: I have wxpython2.5.3, libwxgtk2.5.3, and libwxgtk2.5.3-python installed.  No problems there.
[12:15] <viper12> cryptic....did you just upgrade hoary before these freezes?
[12:15] <crypticreign> viper12: yes
[12:16] <crypticreign> first time in gnome after upgrading to hoary
[12:16] <viper12> The problem is the new 10-4 kernel and the gam-server.  either use the 10-3 kernel OR add the "noinotify" option in the grub menu.
[12:16] <crypticreign> ok
[12:16] <viper12> the kernel is panicking.
[12:16] <hawke_> crypticreign: Are the keyboard LEDs blinking?
[12:16] <bborkk> aremedis: You might want to check in /boot somewhere.
[12:17] <crypticreign> hawke_: no
[12:17] <viper12> bugzilla is well aware of the issue, and there should be  a fix fairly shortly, but for now, the 'noinotify' option in the boot line in grub fixes it. (got my system running again.)
[12:17] <hawke_> crypticreign: Mouse still move?
[12:17] <AndyR> nn all
[12:17] <crypticreign> hawke_: hehe no
[12:17] <crypticreign> viper12: ok ill try that.. it also looks like my resolution is set lower than it was
[12:17] <hawke_> crypticreign: Your laptop is the same model as mine
[12:17] <hawke_> crypticreign: Mine's the OEM version, yours is the rebranded/re-firmware'd version.
[12:17] <aremedis> bborkk: what would the file im looking for look like?
[12:18] <viper12> hawke, trust me, its a kernel panic.  the easiest way to check is to switch ctrl/alt/f1 right after you log in but before gnome gets loading....lyou'll get to watch the kernel barf.
[12:18] <hawke_> viper12: I believe you
[12:18] <dstevens> Hi all have been having problems installing libssl-dev, dependence problems on a laptop upgraded from hoary to warty, unpacked a fresh mini-itx installed ubuntu warty with cd from post box, everything run fine so i can only presume that its is a problem with Hoary to Warty upgrade, does this sound plausable.
[12:18] <hawke_> viper12: I just thought the keyboard LEDs always flashed if the kernel panicked.
[12:18] <bborkk> aremedis: Well, /boot is where all the kernels are kept, but I'm not sure about the sources.
[12:19] <viper12> the kernel panic's....then the machine will completely lock up. (reset required.)
[12:19] <hawke_> What exactly is the point of the vbesave init script?
[12:21] <hawke_> bborkk: so, what problems are you running into w/ wxpython?
[12:21] <crypticreign> viper12: yes that worked
[12:21] <viper12> :)
[12:21] <crypticreign> hmm, my resolution is set at 1024x768 it seems
[12:21] <crypticreign> was at 1400x1050 before
[12:21] <viper12> not sure there..........but at least the system will 'load'.
[12:21] <dstevens> Mini-itx has finished compiling, make install; Must be a problem with Hoary to Warty on my laptop, mmm should i consider a reinstall with Hoary.
[12:21] <crypticreign> hmm, thats not even listed
[12:22] <viper12> you mean warty to hoary, right dstevens?
[12:22] <bborkk> hawke_:  wx.VERSION returns (2,4,2,4) instead of (2,5,3,1)... Python doesn't seem to know about wxPython2.5.3
[12:23] <hawke_> crypticreign: You might have to add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:23] <mz2> fatal error: could not find default font 'fixed'
[12:24] <mz2> what to do? which package should give this_
[12:24] <mz2> ?
[12:24] <hawke_> crypticreign: http://kropf.net/i5000/  may be generally useful if you've not found it already.
[12:24] <dstevens> viper12, Warty is now, Hoary was yup.
[12:24] <aremedis> the install for VPN 3000 needs to build a module, what path do I use to direct it?
[12:25] <andrewski> only today, i can't access my sound for use in mpd.  can anyone help?
[12:25] <bborkk> andrewski: what is mpd?
[12:25] <andrewski> bborkk: music player daemon, a really good program.
[12:25] <andrewski> bborkk: but why can't it be run?
[12:26] <hawke_> bborkk: wx.VERSION gives 2,5,3,2,'pre' for me
[12:26] <crypticreign> hawke_: yeah adding it worked
[12:26] <xvers> hey.. i have warty, 64-bit, i constantly have problems installing packages because apt-get cant find amd64 packages.. is there any way i can make apt-get install 32 bit packages also, since the processor is supposed to run in both modes ??
[12:26] <hawke_> crypticreign: Wish I had that nice screen you do...mine only does 1024x768..
[12:26] <bborkk> hawke_: Which repository did you get it from?  Do you have wxpython 2.4 installed as well?
[12:26] <crypticreign> hawke_: ouch
[12:26] <crypticreign> hawke_: anything less than 1400 x 1050 drives me nuts
[12:27] <tjs> anyone here using the synaptic modules for dell touchpads?
[12:27] <dstevens> Should i consider reinstalling a fresh with Warty, would that be best and remove that 30gig hogging xp install in the process ??
[12:28] <dstevens> I know it sounds extreme, to reinstall for the sake of a dependency problem.
[12:28] <mz2> is there some configuration script i should run to fix the font issue?
[12:29] <mseney> dstevens, i like hearing the words "remove xp" :)
[12:29] <andrewski> have the udev permissions changed in hoary today?
[12:30] <hawke_> bborkk: universe...
[12:30] <crypticreign> haha yay, a bunch of gnome icons are missing.. and i have a red x instead of a trashbin
[12:31] <crypticreign> hmm, no Industrial theme
[12:31] <hawke_> bborkk: I do not have wxpython2.4 installed as well (and don't see the option to do so)
[12:31] <beaz> hey all, i work in a recording studio, we recently went 100% linux. We were using fedora core 3 but it wasnt stable enough and decided to try out a few other distros, Ubuntu was one of them. We need a low latency patch but are having problems getting this to work, can anyone help?
[12:31] <viper12> dstevens, I missed part of the dependency issue....what is borking things up?
[12:31] <andrewski> how do i check which my package install history?
[12:32] <dstevens> viper12, libssl-dev is the problem libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7d-3) but 0.9.7d-3ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[12:33] <crypticreign> haha why does "evolution2-2" start up evolution 2.1.5?
[12:33] <beaz> can ubuntu run with a 2.4 kernel?
[12:33] <dstevens> Proved it tobe a local issue on this laptop, but im not sure howto resolve issue
[12:33] <hawke_> crypticreign: I think 2.1.5 is the devel version that will become 2.2
[12:33] <viper12> the libssl-dev controls 'what' on that laptop?
[12:34] <crypticreign> hawke_: ah
[12:34] <dstevens> trying to compile asterisk linux-pbx
[12:34] <bborkk> hawke_: Are you using Python 2.4?
[12:34] <viper12> nods.  well first off, you had hoary on it, then you "downgraded" to warty, and you're having issues, am i correct on this one?
[12:34] <hawke_> bborkk: Yup
[12:35] <nutshell42> hi, I use the ubuntu 4.10 live cd but suddenly I can no longer start any programs, all I get are "connection refused by server" "no protocol specified" errors
[12:35] <DAC1138> hey hey hey, im back
[12:36] <DAC1138> does anyone here play ut2004?
[12:36] <nutshell42> (no new windows->no browser (well, lynx but that's too much trouble =), therefore I'm asking here)
[12:36] <hawke_> DAC1138: I do
[12:36] <DAC1138> hawke what video card do you have?
[12:36] <DAC1138> hawke i can play it unless its in software mode :-(
[12:36] <hawke_> DAC1138: Geforce FX5700Ultra
[12:36] <DAC1138> hawke and software mode is ugly and painfull, but it works
[12:37] <beaz> does ubuntu work with a 2.4 kernel? i ask because mine is having issues
[12:37] <dstevens> Im using Warty cd from post i think i confused myself with the Warty, Hoary thing, think i still am.  Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog" is the newest ??
[12:37] <nutshell42> dstevens: according to the homepage, yes
[12:37] <hawke_> dstevens: The newest stable version.
[12:37] <viper12> 4.10 is the supported release.  "hoary hedgehog" is the beta release.  So you're on warty now, and having a dependency issue.
[12:37] <hawke_> dstevens: hoary is the devel/testing version
[12:38] <Kokey> Hoary is testing version, tell it to me... I have problems with the new kernel upgrade
[12:38] <dstevens> cool not confused anymore.
[12:38] <viper12> What I would do would be to use synaptics to "smart-upgrade" everything in warty first...then see what's what.
[12:38] <dstevens> hoary=unstable
[12:38] <viper12> exactly dstevens.
[12:38] <hybrid_> veery unstable on ppc
[12:38] <viper12> and after today's kernel panic wonder-fun, unstable be the operative word. lol
[12:38] <hawke_> hybrid_: Not in my experience
[12:39] <hawke_> viper12: what's the kernel to avoid?
[12:39] <nutshell42> if noone can help me with the first problem, I have two other questions; I'm thinking about installing ubuntu for a computer illiterate and I need (a) non-case sensitive file sorting
[12:39] <viper12> 2.6.10-4-686 or 386
[12:39] <beaz> under the 2.4.26 kernel what is the equivilant to udev?
[12:39] <hybrid_> hawke_ well my hoary ibook the screen goes all wild and distorted so i  have  to restart
[12:39] <dstevens> viper12, will try the smart-upgrade back soon.
[12:40] <viper12> although hawke....if you put a "noinotify" in the grub boot command for that kernel................it will bypass the gam_server kernel panic, and all will live okay for now. :)
[12:40] <nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6, checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:40] <beaz> under the 2.4.26 kernel what is the equivilant to udev?
[12:40] <viper12> nods to dstevens.
[12:40] <hawke_> viper12: thanks
[12:40] <viper12> np
[12:40] <andrewski> how do i check my package install history?
[12:41] <nutshell42> no ethernet devices, if I configure one it's listed as "nil" and it doesn't work, I had to do all the stuff manually (difficult, it's been a long time since I've used route as most distributions automatically set routes if you change something with ifconfig) and that's simply not an option
[12:41] <viper12> afk a few...
[12:42] <usual> can openoffice work with ms access files
[12:42] <Nermal> no
[12:42] <Nermal> not even ms access can half the time
[12:42] <hawke_> usual: Yes, via ODBC
[12:42] <Nermal> ah.. I suppose
[12:42] <usual> hawke, do I need the dbase OOo app?
[12:42] <hawke_> usual: But it's a pain, and not pretty at all
[12:43] <beaz> under the 2.4.26 kernel what is the equivilant to udev?
[12:43] <dstevens> viper12, smart-upgrade shows there is nothing to mark, run apt-get dist-upgrade everything look fine.
[12:43] <nutshell42> could anyone at least acknowledge that I exist, please? I'm actually wondering whether I can post in this channel
[12:43] <hawke_> beaz: devfs(d) possibly?
[12:43] <beaz> thanks!!
[12:43] <hawke_> nutshell42: You're welcome to post here.
[12:44] <dstevens> nutsheel42, Hi there
[12:44] <nutshell42> good I thought perhaps it's +m =)
[12:44] <nutshell42> oh, stupid, irssi shows the modes in the tab bar
[12:44] <minimec> nutshell42: can you start firefox with 'sudo firefox'?
[12:44] <dstevens> Na head down typing like a madman on acid.
[12:44] <nutshell42> thought it was after the topic
[12:45] <minimec> nutshell42: can you start firefox with 'sudo firefox'?
[12:45] <beaz> thanks alot hawke, im gonna go test that now
[12:45] <nutshell42> minimec: nope
[12:45] <minimec> nutshell42: do you have an USB-Stick installed?
[12:46] <nutshell42> no
[12:46] <pussfeller> i wish someone would develop an FPS file manager
[12:46] <usual> is there an openoffice dbase package for ubuntu anywhere
[12:46] <hawke_> pussfeller: Do you remember the doom ps program?
[12:46] <minimec> nutshell42: sorry. I have no idea. Let me think a little while....
[12:46] <viper12> back.
[12:46] <pussfeller> when id open sources guake 3 it would be a good base
[12:47] <pussfeller> hawke, no
[12:47] <nutshell42> minimec: that X problem isn't all that important though, I assume it's somehow connected to the live-cd and would vanish (or at least be solvable) if I'd install ubuntu
[12:47] <e1ven> I have a x.org config question, under hoary.. When I start up without a monitor (logging in to X via VNC), I can only get 640x480. I think I need to define a default Screen/monitor section in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure how to make it default, rather than just another monitor.. Can anyone advise where to look, or suggest a solution?
[12:47] <nutshell42> I'm more interested in the case-sensitive sorting and the network config
[12:47] <hawke_> pussfeller: It would have all processes as monsters, init as the final boss ...killing monsters would kill the process.
[12:47] <hawke_> pussfeller: kinda insane.
[12:47] <nutshell42> thx nevertheless
[12:47] <hawke_> nutshell42: there's a gui network config applet
[12:47] <viper12> dsteven: okay, so if all that looks good, but you still get a dependency error, best bet would be to report it to the dev team via bugzilla or the forums. (my opinion anyway.)
[12:48] <hawke_> nutshell42: but that might be in hoary only.
[12:48] <minimec> nutshell42: That's true.
[12:48] <attila[ReDegliUn> Hello. How do I set a view-only password with vncpasswd ????
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <lexhider> elven: I have a similar issue, check out bug #5917: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5917
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <pussfeller> im thinkig you could run thru a room, the folders would be doors, and inside the room are avatars representing files and you could shot em with diff weapns to do different actions
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <nutshell42>  nutshell42> and (b) a working graphical network configuration. Here it seems to start both ethernet devices as ipv6,
[12:48] <nutshell42>                     checks for a dhcp server (I don't have one) and then the config dialog shows...nothing
[12:48] <hawke_> pussfeller: Not a bad idea.
[12:48] <nutshell42> aaargh
[12:48] <nutshell42> sry
[12:48] <viper12> lol
[12:50] <hawke_> pussfeller: would the files fight back, though?
[12:50] <minimec> nutshell42: Do you have a firewall running?
[12:50] <attila[ReDegliUn> Hello. How do I set a view-only password with vncpasswd ????
[12:50] <pussfeller> if you had improper permissions maybe
[12:51] <nutshell42> minimec: the network configuration dialog was the first thing I tried after starting ubuntu, so probably no
[12:51] <hawke_> pussfeller: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
[12:51] <minimec> nutshell42: ok
[12:52] <nutshell42> oh and it's not completely broken, I could set the nameserver
[12:52] <nutshell42> only the device configuration seems to be affected
[12:52] <bumperland> does anyone know how to get nvu to run ?
[12:53] <minimec> nutshell42: on the live-cd you should get 'root access' with 'su'. Try that.
[12:53] <no0tic> bumperland: there's a how-to
[12:53] <bumperland> where?
[12:53] <no0tic> bumperland: on ubuntu site
[12:53] <nutshell42> minimec: the only program running when suddenly I couldn't start any new ones was a root terminal; I used it to ssh to my router for irssi =)
[12:54] <bumperland> i'll take a look
[12:54] <no0tic> bumperland: in synthesis you have to install libstc++
[12:54] <minimec> nutshell42: so ssh is denying access...
[12:55] <hawke_> crypticreign: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5576
[12:55] <no0tic> bumperland: get tar.gz nvu pack and try launching it, it tells you what it's missing
[12:55] <nutshell42> minimec: ?
[12:55] <bumperland> it's installed
[12:56] <no0tic> bumperland: libtsdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[12:56] <no0tic> bumperland: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[12:58] <crypticreign> hawke_: haha :)
[12:58] <crypticreign> hawke_: thats my exact system,
[12:59] <hawke_> crypticreign: yes, mine too (effectively)
[01:00] <beaz> is there a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:00] <andrewski> anyone use mpd?
[01:01] <nayfnu> Hi guys - question about GDM's graphical greeter if anyone has the time
[01:01] <hawke_> nayfnu: ask away
[01:01] <dud> http://alpha.curbsqueal.com/ comments on my design kthnxbye? :/
[01:01] <FR500> hello
[01:02] <nayfnu> Just noticed that it's started displaying the greeter in a virtual resolution of 1600x1200, meaning bits scroll off the edge of the screen - it didn't used to, just started when I switched to the *cuogh* controversial circle of humans one
[01:02] <nayfnu> And now won't go back
[01:02] <nayfnu> I've hacked XF86Config-4 to allow that size of resolution
[01:03] <nayfnu> So that works, but at a very low refresh rate, and it's not ideal
[01:03] <beaz> Hey guys, does anyone know if there is a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:03] <hawke_> nayfnu: Remove the higher resolution from the config...
[01:03] <nayfnu> Can you force it to be a certain resolution?
[01:03] <hawke_> nayfnu: The largest one becomes the virtual resolution, the first one is the resolution it defaults to.
[01:04] <nayfnu> hawke_ - thanks, but previously the first one was 1024x768, also the largest
[01:04] <nayfnu> I'll change it back, see if it makes a difference
[01:04] <hawke_> nayfnu: Other than that, I don't know.
[01:04] <nayfnu> hawke_: no probs, it's a very minor thing anyway - thanks :)
[01:05] <beaz> Hey guys, does anyone know if there is a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:05] <nutshell42> seems like I'll have to use knoppix after all; that's unfortunate because there are KDE ppl and GNOME ppl and the person for whom I'm gonna install it is definitly of the second kind =/
[01:05] <FR500> where can i edit the file associations?
[01:05] <nayfnu> hawke_: Well, it works now :)
[01:06] <PacoBCN> anyone tried graveman 0.3.8?
[01:06] <nayfnu> A rogue 1200x1024 had snuck into my list, the little scallywag
[01:06] <PacoBCN> there's a debian package already
[01:06] <hawke_> nayfnu: lol
[01:06] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, have you tried gnomebaker ?
[01:06] <crypticreign> graveman is awesome
[01:06] <nayfnu> Much obliged, sir.  Or, potentially, ma'am
[01:06] <crypticreign> 3.8 is even better
[01:06] <crypticreign> dont have it on my ubuntu system tho
[01:06] <PacoBCN> wanted to see the change log
[01:06] <PacoBCN> but the site is broken
[01:07] <aardvark> has anyone heard of Zabbix ?
[01:07] <piratePenguin> what program should I use to get online through 56k dialup? I used to use KPPP...
[01:07] <PacoBCN> wait, I installed the 0.3.8 version and it has mp3 support!
[01:07] <PacoBCN> great!
[01:08] <beaz> does anyone know if there is a low latency patch for the 2.6 kernel?
[01:08] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, gnomeppp
[01:08] <aardvark> \leave #ubuntu
[01:08] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, sorry gnome-ppp
[01:09] <FR500> where can i edit the file associations?
[01:09] <SiRrUs> good evening boys
[01:09] <aardvark> evening
[01:10] <LinuxJones> FR500, right click the file then open with other app
[01:11] <FR500> LinuxJones no other way? i'd like to see the whole list
[01:11] <tritium> There needs to be a warning in the topic about hard-freezes with the new 2.6.10-4 kernel
[01:11] <LinuxJones> FR500, not that i know of
[01:11] <FR500> ok
[01:11] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: thanks
[01:12] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, :)
[01:12] <viper12> tritium.......two fixes for the kernel panic with 10-4..........add 'noinotify' to grub 10-4 boot command, or boot with 10-3
[01:12] <FR500> i want to make a script to install beep skins with a double click, any ideas
[01:12] <FR500> i was gonna use sh
[01:12] <viper12> and yer right about that.....there's a mention of it in the hoary forums, but it should be stickied and or fixed like asap.
[01:12] <tritium> viper12, yeah.  I did the latter.  Thanks for the other fix.
[01:12] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, you might be in a catch 22 situation, it doesn't seem to be installed by default for some odd reason.
[01:13] <viper12> :)
[01:13] <FR500> but i dont know how to get the selected file filename
[01:13] <kingsley_> Can scp read stdin?
[01:13] <tritium> doesn't gamin need inotify?
[01:13] <viper12> apparently.........not. lol
[01:13] <tritium> heh
[01:13] <viper12> it DEFINITELY don't need it in the 10-4 kernel, thats for sure. :D
[01:14] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, network-admin has some stuff for modems as well
[01:14] <tritium> So you're using the first fix ;)
[01:14] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: I've downloaded the source and will try compiling it
[01:14] <viper12> from what I've been reading, the 'bugzilla guys are goin' nuts over this one atm.  and yeah, i added the noinotify because I picked today to upgrade a warty box to hoary......and didn't HAVE the 10-3 kernell.
[01:15] <viper12> and with nvidia, and such already in place, didn't want to recompile by hand.
[01:15] <tritium> Yeah.
[01:15] <viper12> and the noi bit works just fine.
[01:15] <tritium> good deal
[01:15] <viper12> yeah, but seems to me to be a temp fix...they need to get the issue resolved.
[01:15] <tritium> of course
[01:16] <viper12> of course, if we were talking 'debian' and not ubuntu.......it'd be time to switch distros cause the fix would happen in oh, about a year.  snicker.
[01:18] <tritium> Well, thanks viper12.  I'm going to get back to work.
[01:24] <Snipper_> hey, anyone know how to do a remote connect?
[01:25] <PacoBCN> what do you mean?
[01:25] <dud> Snipper_, ssh, vnc, xsession, ftp, http, smb?
[01:25] <PacoBCN> via ssh?
[01:25] <Snipper_> i want to connect to his desktop so i can help him set up linux
[01:26] <Snipper_> erm well he has kde and i have gnome
[01:26] <PacoBCN> you want to "see" his desktop?
[01:26] <dstevens> Hi all im a newbie to Asterisk, problem is, asterisk -vvvc returns Illegal instruction, but there is a pid file in /var/run/
[01:26] <PacoBCN> or through his console?
[01:27] <PacoBCN> ?
[01:28] <Snipper_> erm yes PacoBCN
[01:28] <Snipper_> like on windows
[01:28] <Snipper_> he is in gnome now also
[01:28] <PacoBCN> then you need vnc
[01:29] <dstevens> Opps sorry wrong tab.
[01:29] <Snipper_> PacoBCN ok, i should download vnc
[01:29] <PacoBCN> wait, you're in windows?
[01:29] <PacoBCN> and he's in Ubuntu?
[01:30] <Snipper_> no sorru
[01:30] <Snipper_> sorry, im in gnome, and he is in gnome
[01:30] <PacoBCN> well, VNC is suitable anyway :D
[01:31] <Snipper_> ah
[01:31] <Snipper_> so i download vnc
[01:31] <PacoBCN> you should already be able to connect
[01:32] <PacoBCN> Applications -> Internet -> Server Terminal Client
[01:32] <PacoBCN> Or something like this
[01:32] <PacoBCN> at least in hoary ;)
[01:32] <Snipper_> i dont see that
[01:32] <Snipper_> is there a command i can run or package i can download
[01:32] <goldfish_> IT is in warty
[01:32] <goldfish_> aswell
[01:32] <Snipper_> im on fc3
[01:33] <Underlord> whats a command line tool that i can use to play an ogg vorbis file or wav file through alsa that wont try to make a gui?
[01:34] <andrewski> Underlord: mpg321, ogg123
[01:34] <PacoBCN> Sniper, I was pretty sure there was a viewer for vnc even in warty
[01:34] <Underlord> ahh
[01:37] <Snipper_> PacoBCN i run Fedora Core 3 sorry
[01:37] <goldfish_> lol
[01:42] <Underlord> andrewski: ogg123 is complaining that i dont have libFLAC.so.4 and refusing to play (regardless of me never having used a flac in my life and not trying to now), and if i try to install it in synaptic it says that it needs to remove a heap of other stuff, some compleetly unrelated, which i cant remove
[01:43] <andrewski> does hoary tarball /dev at shutdown/reboot?
[01:43] <andrewski> Underlord: so don't use it. :)
[01:43] <dud> hoary uses a dynamic dev structure...
[01:43] <Underlord> so what do i use to play my oggs?
[01:43] <andrewski> Underlord: i have no experience with oggs or flacs, so i can't help you; sorry.
[01:44] <dud> Underlord, xmms has support for both
[01:44] <Underlord> you should, ogg vorbis is a great format
[01:44] <Underlord> xmms isnt command line
[01:44] <Jet2k5> Hello all
[01:44] <dud> true...
[01:44] <Jet2k5> did anyone here use that one link to install java?
[01:44] <hawke> Underlord: You'll probably have to solve your libflac problem
[01:44] <Jet2k5> err this guy had some server
[01:44] <andrewski> Underlord: probably, but i'd rather not convert my music collection from mp3s....
[01:44] <Jet2k5> all you did was apt-get java
[01:44] <hawke> Underlord: I fixed it here, but I can't remember what I did.
[01:44] <Nermal> Underlord, ogg123 ?
[01:45] <Underlord> andrewski, ofcource not, that would be stupid, but try and obtain new music in vorbis and check it out
[01:45] <Underlord> i just tried ogg123, it doesnt work because it depends on libflac.so.4, which i cant install because dependencies with an incompatable version
[01:45] <andrewski> Underlord: well, as it is now, i don't have to have two different libraries/players floating around... :)
[01:45] <Nermal> Underlord, ah
[01:47] <Elsidox> can anyone help me im trying to play a wmv file
[01:47] <Underlord> Elsidox, microsoft could
[01:48] <Elsidox> Underlord, if you know someone in here who works for them tell me
[01:48] <Underlord> i dont
[01:48] <Elsidox> exactly
[01:48] <Elsidox> anyways
[01:48] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[01:49] <andrewski> Elsidox: which programs have you already tried?
[01:49] <Underlord> all you need to do (afaik) is get the windows wmv drivers and put them in your w32 codec directory, then use a media application that supports windows codecs
[01:50] <Underlord> or you could use something like mplayer which i think has built in support for wmv, but its very buggy
[01:50] <hawke> The package 'w32codecs' from marillat will do the job as well
[01:50] <hawke> I believe
[01:50] <Elsidox> andrewski, totem and mplayer. Mplayer freezes and totem gives me a no plugin error.
[01:50] <andrewski> Elsidox: xine?
[01:50] <Elsidox> andrewski, huh
[01:50] <andrewski> Elsidox: xine is a program.
[01:51] <zenrox_> gxine
[01:51] <Elsidox> andrewski, hmmm ill give it a shot. Thanks
[01:51] <Elsidox> andrewski, i installed totem xine. and it works great
[01:52] <Elsidox> andrewski, thx!
[01:52] <andrewski> Elsidox: great!
[01:53] <Elsidox> andrewski, one more thing if you have time?
[01:53] <andrewski> Elsidox: ask everyone; i'll help if i can. :P
[01:54] <Elsidox> k =)
[01:54] <Elsidox> im having werid issuses with mp3s. Beep media player plays them fien but it freezes than plays the mp3s after a little while. Rhythmbox wont even play mp3s
[01:55] <andrewski> Elsidox: to play them in rhythmbox, you need gstreamer-mad, IIRC.  i'd recommend mpd just hands-down.
[01:55] <lunitik> Elsidox: for Rhythmbox... you need to 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' after activating Universe
[01:55] <andrewski> Elsidox: and, for the record, i got away from xmms/bmp just as quickly as i could; i've not had good experiences from either.
[01:55] <linuxn00b> where is /etc/sysconfig/network/ I don't seem to have one :-/
[01:56] <Elsidox> gstreamer0.8-mad is already installed
[01:56] <Elsidox> andrewski, mpd?
[01:56] <andrewski> Elsidox: music player daemon, www.musicpd.org, available in universe. :D
[01:56] <andrewski> Elsidox: specifically, if you use gnome, you'll want to check out gmpc as a frontend... if you get that far. :)
[01:57] <arzajac> linuxn00b:  /etc/network/interfaces
[01:57] <lunitik> andrewski: why recommend against gstreamer? gstreamer is the future of mutlimedia on Linux right now, but to advance, it needs use
[01:57] <Elsidox> andrewski, ill check it out
[01:57] <Jet2k5> hello, lol I'm back again, can someone please tell me an easier way to install java?
[01:57] <Jet2k5> http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[01:58] <Jet2k5> that's all I've been able to find, but there is a lot of stuff that you have to leave out
[01:58] <zenrox> Jet2k5, www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:58] <zenrox> look thare
[01:58] <linuxn00b> arzajac, cd: /etc/network/interfaces: Not a directory :(
[01:58] <Jet2k5> ty
[01:58] <andrewski> lunitik: because i prefer mpd.
[01:58] <lunitik> linuxboy: umm... cuz its a file
[01:58] <zenrox> Jet2k5, its much easer just copy and paste
[01:58] <arzajac> /etc/network and interfaces is the config file.  This is debian.
[01:59] <lunitik> andrewski: any technical reasoning?
[01:59] <Jet2k5> zenrox: thank you, it has LimeWire which is what I want to install
[01:59] <Jet2k5> man Ubuntu is really great, it's the first linux distro to make my ipod work :)
[01:59] <andrewski> lunitik: it's nice to have my music playing as a daemon.
[01:59] <Elsidox> anyone know a good p2p app fot linux?
[01:59] <Jet2k5> congrats to the developers
[01:59] <linuxn00b> arzajac, this is what i'm suppose to be looking for ifcfg-br0
[01:59] <linuxn00b> i'm following this guide http://www.shorewall.net/bridge.html
[01:59] <zenrox> Jet2k5,  n/p any time
[01:59] <Elsidox> or is there anything like soulseek for linux?
[02:00] <lunitik> andrewski: umm... ever heard of flumotion?
[02:00] <andrewski> lunitik: no... what's it?
[02:00] <lunitik> andrewski: gstreamer based media streamer... basically just what you said
[02:00] <andrewski> lunitik: hmm...
[02:00] <andrewski> i'll have to check it out.
[02:01] <lunitik> andrewski: http://www.flumotion.net/
[02:01] <moyogo> Elsidox: bittorrent or mldonkey
[02:02] <Elsidox> moyogo, i alread use bittorrent and ill check out mldonkey. Thx
[02:02] <lunitik> andrewski: any more technical reasons?
[02:03] <arzajac> linuxn00b:  Just configure your device for dhcp.  apt-get install etherconf (or dpkg-reconfigure etherconf)
[02:04] <andrewski> lunitik: well, it's nice not to need gstreamer, but i have it at present anyway.  (i didn't when i used gentoo.)
[02:04] <lunitik> andrewski: gstreamer is the future, get used to it
[02:05] <andrewski> lunitik: uh, right.  maybe you could sound less argumentative?
[02:05] <lunitik> andrewski: I'm not arguing, I'm stating facts...
[02:05] <andrewski> lunitik: oh, ok.
[02:05] <Nermal> lunitik, an IMHO would go a long way ;)
[02:05] <Feiten> Does anyone know about any god dj programs, for streaming to a shoutcast server. The xmms plugin, does not work for me :s
[02:05] <Nermal> icecast ?
[02:06] <lunitik> Nermal: eh... its not my opinion though, its freedesktop.org's opinion...
[02:06] <Nermal> lunitik, must be true then
[02:06] <lunitik> Nermal: I'd say so...
[02:06] <Nermal> flying cars are also the future btw
[02:06] <Feiten> Nermal, is that a dj program?
[02:06] <Nermal> define "dj program"
[02:06] <goldfish_> lol
[02:06] <Feiten> A program i can use to stream music to a shoutcast server Nermal
[02:06] <Nermal> oh
[02:06] <delltony> hi anyone here use i8kutilies for a dell lappy?
[02:07] <Nermal> _to_ a shoutcast server.. hmm
[02:07] <linuxn00b> arzajac, I already have internet, but I can't find ifcfg-br0 which is what I need.
[02:07] <lunitik> Feiten: icecast or flumotion are nice
[02:07] <Feiten> lunitik, ok thanks
[02:07] <lunitik> Feiten: icecast = shoutcast server...
[02:07] <lunitik> Feiten: you can find it on www.xiph.org
[02:08] <Ainvar> if I wanted to delete the current data from the respositories where would I look
[02:08] <lunitik> Ainvar: /var/cache/apt
[02:08] <andrewski> lunitik: how can i start using flumotion?  is there a frontend or something?
[02:09] <lunitik> Ainvar: you probably just want 'apt-get clean' though
[02:09] <Ainvar> thanks lunitik
[02:09] <lunitik> andrewski: yes, there is... no idea what its called though  :/
[02:09] <lunitik> andrewski: hold on
[02:09] <andrewski> lunitik: ok, i'm taking your word for it that this is worth my time. ;)
[02:10] <Ainvar> ok now I am even more lost
[02:11] <Ainvar> I looked in there and there is a lot of stuff. My issue I am having is when I try and update with apt-get I get some errors updating from a few of the repos.   I was just wondering if someone can tell me how I can find out what version of Alsa I am running
[02:17] <andrewski> lunitik: does flumotion only work on streams?
[02:17] <lunitik> bob2: thought so... why isn't he gone yet? he's not going to say anything useful.... at least +q so he can't have any fun...
[02:17] <aoede> I'm using Hoary, 2.6.10 kernel...
[02:17] <bob2> httpdss: that came up on the list in the past week or so
[02:17] <lunitik> andrewski: yes... its a Streaming Server... Rhythmbox and Totem would be the clients...
[02:18] <Xenguy> lunitik: just use /ignore -replies
[02:18] <pvh> I just installed a DVD burner in my computer and it didn't show up in the "Computer" menu.
[02:18] <pvh> How can I get Ubuntu to detect it?
[02:18] <andrewski> lunitik: so how would i use flumotion to play mp3s?
[02:18] <lunitik> andrewski: why would you use a server to play mp3's?
[02:19] <andrewski> lunitik: ah, lol.  i wondered.  mpd does that, so that if i exit X/switch users/etc., my music still plays. :D
[02:19] <noone> <lunitik Fine advocate of Freedom of speech you are, your from one of those socialized Eurotrash nations no?
[02:19] <httpdss> bob2: this problem occured for the first time today when y did a dist-upgrade ... yesterday i did one too, and nothing happened
[02:19] <TongMaster> Anyone know if the hoary team are aware of brokeness in the latest K7 kernel and in firefox?
[02:19] <bob2> noone: enough
[02:19] <noone> sorry
[02:19] <noone> just saying
[02:19] <jba> httpdss, noinotify to kernel will work around it
[02:20] <httpdss> jba: ok, thx
[02:20] <Ainvar> bob2, I pasted in #flood like you asked
[02:20] <noone> #flood
[02:20] <Nermal> noone, and you'd be from where ? america?
[02:20] <bob2> Ainvar: wow
[02:20] <Ainvar> if I do an apt-get update again I dont get that error, but I am not sure what is causing it
[02:20] <bob2> Nermal: noone is trolling, please ignore it
[02:20] <Nermal> ah :)
[02:20] <bob2> Ainvar: that's quite an amazing error
[02:21] <lunitik> noone: I do not have the freedom of speech to state my argument?
[02:21] <bob2> lunitik: please?
[02:21] <noone> you do, but your arguement is to limit spech
[02:21] <noone> speech
[02:21] <bob2> noone: stop.
[02:21] <bob2> no more warnings.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> /ignore noone
[02:21] <Nermal> hmm. .don't think I will upgrade my kernel just yet then :)
[02:21] <Nermal> seeing as people are reporting breakage
[02:22] <Nermal> I wonder why beagle isn't in hoary yet
[02:22] <bob2> heh, just don't reboot ;)
[02:22] <shock> hello
[02:22] <Chipzz> a bit off-topic, but does anyone know of a firefox plugin or extension that can log HTTPS connections?
[02:22] <httpdss> its the 10-4
[02:22] <Nermal> all the deps are, apart from the latest dbus stuff :(
[02:22] <aoede> :( no replies to my question...well how about if anyone knows where i can get sound to work on Ubuntu?  I'm using onboard C-Media 9880....
[02:22] <Nermal> is it just the K7 kernel ?
[02:22] <bob2> Chipzz: tcpdump
[02:22] <Chipzz> aoede: modprobe snd_cmipci?
[02:23] <aoede> i'll try it. thank you!
[02:23] <Nermal> or is it snd-cmipci?
[02:23] <Chipzz> bob2: I want the actual http data; tcpdata only gives you the encrypted data
[02:23] <Chipzz> I tried ethereal
[02:23] <noone> I am writing a great paper of Freedom of speech bob2, you are helping me, by banning me I win, I am making the arguement, that the So called freesoftware movement, is actaully more like National socialism than a holistic movement for social good, and your blatant censorship proves it, youll just be another notch my statistics
[02:23] <noone> so do it
[02:23] <httpdss> nermal: im using 686 2.6.10-4 and have probs ...
[02:23] <noone> prove me right
[02:23] <noone> LOL
[02:23] <andrewski> lunitik: well, i guess flumotion is not for me; i don't use any streams.
[02:23] <Nermal> noone, oh do be quiet
[02:23] <goldfish_> hehe
[02:23] <pvh> Hurray!
[02:23] <aoede> I got a whole bunch of errors --> error inserting ...
[02:23] <thoreauputic> bravo
[02:24] <Ainvar> bob2, so was the jesus christ to what I pasted
[02:24] <Ainvar> or was it that it was a lot of pasting?
[02:24] <bob2> httpdss: adding the kernel paramter "noinotify" should work around it for now
[02:24] <bob2> Ainvar: oh, the error is bizarre
[02:24] <Ainvar> ahh ok
[02:24] <Nermal> httpdss, :(
[02:24] <bob2> Ainvar: I couldn't even imagine how it could happen
[02:24] <noone> that was effective
[02:24] <Ainvar> hehe
[02:24] <Ainvar> I did do a dist-upgrade from warty to hoary
[02:24] <andrewski> bob2: let the folks know in #freenode
[02:24] <pvh> Yeah, I don't even have a "/dev/dvd"...  :D
[02:31] <aoede> I don't believe so.  How can I make sure Nermal
[02:31] <Pluk> i want to make a clean comparison
[02:31] <bob2> andrewski: e.g.?
[02:31] <Ainvar> I remember gentoo
[02:31] <Ainvar> I love the update system and global flags
[02:31] <Ainvar> but the compiling
[02:31] <andrewski> bob2: ncmpc, i just looked for it today.
[02:31] <Ainvar> sheesh
[02:31] <bob2> andrewski: url?
[02:31] <lunitik> Ainvar: it was the last great hype
[02:31] <stephenb> Hi Guys, i have a fresh ubintu install, and i must say its really nice :) but i have a problem ... i want to start Synaptic to see what tools are installed, can be updatet.. so i start the tool. but after the password entry synatpic dosnt start :(  ? someone have a reason ?
[02:32] <andrewski> bob2: and don't get me wrong, i still have gentoo on my system, but haven't gone back since switching to ubuntu. :)
[02:32] <lunitik> stephenb: you typed your password?
[02:32] <httpdss> stephanb: wrong pass ..
[02:32] <Ainvar> lunitik, haha yeah it was
[02:32] <macewan> hrm, gnome is more responsive
[02:32] <andrewski> bob2: http://www.musicpd.org/ncmpc.shtml
[02:32] <Nermal> aoede, what are your "bunch of errors" ?
[02:32] <Ainvar> the compiling for days on end even on a highh end system kinda killed it for me and for me *I* did not see a diffrence in speed
[02:33] <stephenb> lunitik: yes the password for my user ... ubuntu dosent have a root ... form start ... must i set a root pw ?
[02:33] <andrewski> bob2: do you know how to make packages for ubuntu?
[02:33] <Pluk> even on ubuntu i started compiling more and more apps
[02:33] <aoede> Error inserting soundcore (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/kernel/sound/soundcore.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:33] <aoede> that would be one of them =p
[02:33] <Pluk> so now gonna check gentoo  :)
[02:33] <bob2> andrewski: yeah
[02:33] <Nermal> aoede, you need to sudo it
[02:33] <lunitik> stephenb: wouldn't do much good if you did... Synaptic starts via 'gksudo synaptic'  ;)
[02:33] <aoede> okay, lemme try that.  Thanks Nermal
[02:33] <andrewski> bob2: is there a good howto?
[02:33] <Pluk> i started learning linux with gen too though dual p2-400 ... 48 hours to have kde
[02:34] <Nermal> Pluk, aye... all that pain to end up with something like kde :(
[02:34] <andrewski> Pluk: why did you compile on ubuntu?
[02:34] <Ainvar> Pluk,  hehe
[02:34] <bob2> andrewski: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[02:34] <andrewski> bob2: ok, thanks.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> andrewski: quick and dirty way is to install checkinstall (but that is only to make packages locally that dpkg can uninstall, I guess)
[02:34] <Ainvar> was cool the first few times learning gentoo watching it compile everything with no errors but when that system was not usable for almost 2 weeks getting everything setup on it when I got home from work kinda killed it for me
[02:34] <andrewski> bob2: so, in raw numbers, ubuntu has more packages than gentoo?
[02:35] <Pluk> ubuntu doesnt have everything in its repos and some apps are broken
[02:35] <Pluk> and i like a patched kernel
[02:35] <Pluk> with hibernate
[02:35] <Ainvar> I wish the repos I got from the forums would have the latest gaim
[02:35] <stephenb> lunitik: when i try to start it per sudo this come up in the consol : steve-u is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:36] <error_29> has anyone used Libranet?  The free, older version?
[02:36] <Pluk> hehe what did i knew these days... havent seen gnome ever before
[02:36] <bob2> andrewski: yes
[02:36] <lunitik> stephenb: ahh... you are using the user you created at install time? cuz if so, thats bad
[02:36] <Pluk> so kde was kinda the normal thing
[02:36] <aoede> Nermal, I sudoed it, and I got no errors.  However, when I run xmms and alsamixer I still get error messages saying that I don't have a soundcard or
[02:36] <aoede> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[02:36] <Pluk> eyeopener the 1st time i dated gnome
[02:36] <bob2> Pluk: the kernel in ubuntu includes a lot of patches
[02:36] <lunitik> stephenb: easily fixed though... boot into rescue mode, and add yourself to /etc/sudoers
[02:36] <thoreauputic> stephenb: this is the first (default) user?
[02:36] <Pluk> bob2, software suspend 2
[02:36] <bob2> Pluk: what does swsusp 2 offer over swsusp 1?
[02:36] <andrewski> ok, i should be going now.  good night all!
[02:37] <bob2> andrewski: 'night.
[02:37] <Ainvar> night andrewski
[02:37] <Pluk> decent hibernation on my laptop :)
[02:37] <bob2> Pluk: if the hoary kernel doesn't support your system, please file a bug
[02:37] <stephenb> lunitik: oh i think a have a reason :D i added a new user why the install user / steve /  link at the homedir form my debian install  /home/steve   and ubuntu take the desktops settings form the .. thats why a made i new user calls > steve-u
[02:37] <bob2> Pluk: it should do swsusp on all hardware now
[02:38] <thoreauputic> stephenb: visudo to add the user
[02:38] <Nermal> aoede, :(
[02:38] <aoede> it's okay Nermal.  Thanks for trying to help me.  It's refreshing after working on finding a solution for 3 days.
[02:38] <Pluk> hmm then ill start bugfiling then :)
[02:39] <aoede> I'm suspecting that the kernel, or alsa has not come out with a driver to support the sound thing that's on my motherboard yet, so I'll have to wait.
[02:39] <thoreauputic> stephenb: also the second user is probably not in a lot of needed groups (audio etc)
[02:39] <bob2> Pluk: assuming you mean swsusp, not acpi suspend-to-disk
[02:39] <Pluk> suspend to disk yes
[02:39] <stephenb> kann i change the login  user at the console ? when i try exit to login at a new user the window close .
[02:39] <stephenb> kann = can :)
[02:40] <Nermal> aoede, tried booting with pci=noacpi ?
[02:40] <lunitik> stephenb: yes
[02:40] <aoede> Nermal: no I haven't.  Can you tell me how to do that?
[02:40] <Pluk> i always thought swsusp1 couldnt do sspend to disk
[02:40] <lunitik> stephenb: but you will still need to log out and back in for changes to take effect in GUI
[02:41] <stephenb> lunitik: the way is ?  logout not take an effect
[02:41] <lunitik> stephenb: ctrl+alt+f1...
[02:41] <Nermal> aoede, hit escape and then "e" at the grub boot screen
[02:41] <Nermal> go down to the kernel line and hit e again
[02:41] <Nermal> and then add pci=noacpi to the end
[02:42] <Nermal> hit enter and then b to boot it
[02:42] <Nermal> right.. bedtime
[02:42] <Nermal> nn
[02:42] <stephenb> lunitik: "autch" i forgot! i try it  at the desktop console ....  thx
[02:42] <bob2> Pluk: that's all it does
[02:44] <Pluk> ah ur right
[02:46] <JimBunder> What is a FTP client I can use with ubuntu, please note I'm a linux newbie
[02:46] <stephenb> lunitik: i go to tty1 and log in at the install user (steve), but when i try visudo, i get an visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied too!
[02:46] <stephenb>
[02:46] <bob2> JimBunder: nautilus (the file manager) can
[02:47] <JimBunder> bob2, where do i use that
[02:47] <bob2> alt-f2 then type ftp://whatever/
[02:48] <JimBunder> thanks
[02:49] <thoreauputic> JimBunder: you can also install gftp with the package manager synaptic
[02:49] <darmou> does anyone know the zope port for ubuntu?
[02:49] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, I have a question about latency and filesystems.........
[02:50] <pauldaoust> darmou: oh boy, that's a good one. sorry, not me... I haven't got into Python yet
[02:50] <thoreauputic> JimBunder: gftp is in the universe repository, which can be enabled in synaptic
[02:50] <JimBunder> thanks thoreauputic
[02:51] <thoreauputic> np :)
[02:51] <pauldaoust> okay, here's my question: sometimes my load meter goes sky-high, and everything (even the mouse) freezes up like crazy. This happens most often when I'm running JACK proggies...
[02:51] <pauldaoust> I've heard some people say they have problems with JACK and ReiserFS causing latency problems... that sound familiar to anyone?
[02:52] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[02:53] <SiRrUs> anyone know if the 2.6.10-4-686 kernel works
[02:53] <Pluk> it works if you add noinotify to your kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:54] <SiRrUs> where do you add that
[02:55] <Pluk> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.10-AMD64 root=/dev/sda7 ro console=tty0 quiet splash noinotify
[02:55] <Pluk> there
[02:56] <SiRrUs> ok lets try :)
[02:56] <SiRrUs> brb
[02:57] <_jon_> so i just upgraded to hoary and the new kernel and xorg broke my nvidia drivers
[02:57] <_jon_> anybody familiar with this?
[02:58] <alka_trash> hey all
[02:58] <thoreauputic> _jon_: it wasn't xorg - you have a new kernel that needs new drivers to be compatible I think
[02:58] <alka_trash> is hoary crapping out today?
[02:58] <alka_trash> I mean our the the new updates breaking things
[02:58] <_jon_> well i didn't say xorg was the problem, just that it might be involved
[02:59] <SiRrUs> thankyou seems to work great
[02:59] <_jon_> thoreauputic: i tried re-running the nvidia installer, but all i got was an error asking for kernel sources
[02:59] <thoreauputic> _jon_: I would expect your drivers would still work if you boot into the "old" kernal
[02:59] <Jet2k5> any one here using an ipod?
[03:00] <httpdss> someone should add the "noinotify stuff" to the topic
[03:00] <_jon_> thoreauputic: i tried that too, no luck, in the apt-get dist-upgrade something screwy happened
[03:00] <SiRrUs> yep probably
[03:00] <thoreauputic> _jon_: hmm
[03:00] <stephenb> lunitik: i added the user steve-u now to all groups ( first )! > lugout - login as steve - change groups for steve-u - logout - login as steve - but still the same no sudo... must i reboot for a effect ?
[03:00] <SiRrUs> what does noinotify do
[03:01] <thoreauputic> stephenb: visudo to add user to sudoers file
[03:02] <stephenb> i cant start visudo why steve and steve-u arent in the group sudo :( steve was the user i add by the install
[03:03] <thoreauputic> stephenb: how did you alter the users? have you created  a root password?
[03:04] <stephenb> and the install there was no option to set a root pw thoreauputic
[03:04] <thoreauputic> else how could you add groups and users without sudo?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> stephenb: that's right
[03:04] <thoreauputic> re no root user by default
[03:05] <httpdss> stephenb: use your default user password on sudo and gksudo ...
[03:05] <uytyug> I am having trouble installing azureus, any help?
[03:05] <Quest-Master> uytyug: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:05] <thoreauputic> stephenb: ah I see - su steve first then use sudo
[03:06] <thoreauputic> su is "switch user"
[03:06] <uytyug> I already went to the guide, I am a complete newb, just instaled today
[03:06] <thoreauputic> it will ask for steve's pass
[03:06] <stephenb> after i install ubuntu and see that the desktop von steve take the settings from the debian user steve " same homedir" i go to the loginshell and make adduser ... or was it susdo add user *hmm*, but i login as steve and take a look von the user and group settings and steve dont are a user of the group sudo
[03:07] <thoreauputic> stephenb: BTW the user shouldn't be in the group sudo anyway
[03:07] <thoreauputic> stephenb: visudo doesn't add the user to the "sudo" group but to the "sudoers file"
[03:08] <_jon_> to add to the sudo group you need vigr
[03:08] <stephenb> thoreauputic: thx a lot :) su steve visudo was the right why :)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> stephenb: OK - good :)
[03:09] <uytyug> im trying to install azureus, I download the file from their website, then what, the guide just confuses me.
[03:10] <lotusleaf> Will Ubuntu work okay on a 133Mhz laptop with a minimalistic WM like Fluxbox?
[03:10] <stephenb> thoreauputic: im in visudo now but i cant edit the file ... forgot an option ? like visudo -e ?
[03:11] <uytyug> any help?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> stephenb: :(   back out with :q!  then try  sudo -s to get a root shell, then do visudo again
[03:11] <stephenb> hmm at the man page there is no extra edit opton
[03:11] <stephenb> thoreauputic: i will try
[03:13] <biquillo> lotusleaf, i think yes, but you couldnt get real desktop functionallity :P
[03:13] <apache119> help me install azureus!Please!
[03:14] <lotusleaf> biquillo: thx it would work ok though in flux or some other minimal wm though right? :>
[03:14] <stephenb> thoreauputic: when i try > su -s steve  and than visudo i have no access
[03:14] <apache119> I need to download some more Linux distros to try them out
[03:14] <thoreauputic> sudo -s
[03:14] <apache119> in azureus!
[03:14] <thoreauputic> by itself - then steve's password
[03:14] <thoreauputic> then visudo
[03:15] <biquillo> yep, i recomend you xfce is lighter and very powerfull
[03:15] <lotusleaf> biquillo: thx, I appreciate it. ;)
[03:15] <biquillo> :)
[03:15] <stephenb> ah thx, a see now im root :)  btw the debian why is a bit easyier ..... there i can login as a root  :)
[03:15] <lotusleaf> Was installing Debian stable for a friend.. it's a hassle. ;D
[03:16] <_jon_> stephenb: you can in ubuntu as well, if you enable the root account
[03:16] <thoreauputic> stephenb: yes, but as you see, sudo -s has the same effect
[03:16] <thoreauputic> stephenb: if you *must* have a root user, type sudo passwd root and set your root password
[03:16] <apache119> why is it so hard in Lunux to install things/
[03:17] <apache119> Linux*
[03:17] <Pluk> whats hard about sudo apt-get install *
[03:17] <stephenb> hmm i still cant edit the file ... somethink a make wrong :(
[03:17] <thoreauputic> apache119: only some things :)
[03:17] <apache119> im new, I need help installing azureus, what the heck is a package!
[03:17] <AlohaWolf> is there a howto on how to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:18] <apache119> do I unzip the file I downloaded. is that the package
[03:18] <sulkd> erhm.. is this known: I just upgraded Hoary and after rebooting into the new kernel (2.6.10-4) the whole system crashed sometime during the jingle playing at gnome start.. then I rebooted into the older kernel, everything works, but the bottom panel had made a trip up snug to the top panel..
[03:19] <stephenb> thoreauputic: ... have it :)
[03:19] <BrianAnthony> does anyone in here use Cedega to play on Steam?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> apache119: it depends entirely on what you have downloaded and what its format is (for instance, source or binary, tar.gz or .zip etc)
[03:20] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, O_o I'd rather eat razorblade spiced apples than use Steam, let alone on my beautiful Linux system..
[03:20] <BrianAnthony> sulkd: Steam is directly derived form hell, I know. but I love Counter-Strike
[03:21] <apache119> this is what happens when I try to install azureus
[03:21] <apache119> this is what happens when I try to install azureus
[03:21] <apache119> john@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install [john/desktop/azureus]
[03:21] <apache119> Password:
[03:21] <apache119> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:21] <apache119> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:21] <apache119> E: Regex compilation error - Invalid regular expression
[03:21] <BrianAnthony> whaaat is that
[03:21] <thoreauputic> apache119: umm - that's not how apt works
[03:21] <BrianAnthony> is that possible
[03:22] <BrianAnthony> dpkg?
[03:22] <Pluk> how about sudo apt-get install azureus
[03:22] <Pluk> or did you download azureus.deb or something?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> I doubt that azureus is in the repos
[03:22] <apache119> it says, couldnt find package azureus
[03:22] <BrianAnthony> apache119: no more drugs
[03:22] <apache119> funny
[03:22] <thoreauputic> azureus requires java, does it not?
[03:22] <mike_douglas> yup
[03:23] <cocol> apache119, http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:23] <apache119> I think
[03:23] <apache119> repos?
[03:23] <BrianAnthony> Do you have your universal sourcxes uncommented?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> apache119: go and read  ubuntuguide.org
[03:23] <SCottinOK> how can you install java?
[03:23] <apache119> it confuses me!
[03:23] <BrianAnthony> because you'll probably have to do that to get java2-common, I think
[03:23] <apache119> I dont know what the heck is the package in my azureus folder!
[03:23] <apache119> where is it
[03:23] <thoreauputic> apache119: of course, at the moment - it will become easier as you persevere
[03:24] <mike_douglas> I'm trying to setup a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit machine, but when I try to run a program with cedega I get a "can't exec" error
[03:24] <thoreauputic> apache119: for a start, you are missing vital components needed *before* you install it
[03:24] <apache119> I dont even know how to install anything
[03:24] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, tough luck :/ I remember original CS working nicely on Linux
[03:25] <apache119> I probably should go back to Mac OS X, but I want to learn Linux
[03:25] <thoreauputic> apache119: <cocol> apache119, http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:25] <BrianAnthony> Supposedly the newest version of Cedega handles it quite nicely
[03:25] <Pluk> mike_douglas, looks like IA32 emulation wasnt compiled in the kernel
[03:25] <thoreauputic> apache119: you need to read the link cocol and I suggested
[03:25] <BrianAnthony> but I have a mozilla plugin error
[03:25] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, if you get an account for cedega I'm sure they have tutorials
[03:25] <biquillo> anyone knows if nerim repositories works?
[03:25] <apache119> I already have but thanks
[03:26] <Pluk> mike_douglas, or ia32-libs isnt installed
[03:26] <sulkd> BrianAnthony, but, they said they supported doom3 nicely, but when I tried it last (december) it wasn't working
[03:26] <thoreauputic> apache119: also read the FAQ on ubuntulinux,org and any other info you can find there
[03:26] <Joan-Baez> hi!
[03:26] <Pluk> hi
[03:26] <pagefault> hehe use the doom3 binary for linux
[03:26] <Joan-Baez> i have installed ubuntu, but i dont have gcc and cant compile apps .. what can i do ? thanks
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: hi. Bring your guitar with you ? ;)
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:27] <Joan-Baez> thoreauputic why in ubuntu all must do with sudo ? ps: thanks a lot
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: no default root user: substitute sudo and your user password
[03:28] <mike_douglas> Pluk, ia32-libs is installed, and I can run other 32-bit programs. It's only the cd that is giving me trouble
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> understand
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> how can i say
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> to apt-get
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> to answer always yes ?
[03:28] <Joan-Baez> =)
[03:28] <Twiggy> Anybody else on hoary who's nautilus got royally borked with the latest update?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: not always a good move...
[03:30] <Joan-Baez> but
[03:30] <Joan-Baez> in this case
[03:30] <Joan-Baez> it is .. can you help me ? =)
[03:30] <bretzel> re-hi :-)
[03:31] <xyzzy_> Where do I read about making sound work? I have an SB Live.
[03:31] <bretzel> Twiggy: What happened to your Nautilus ???
[03:31] <sulkd> pagefault, they hadn't released that version back then :]
[03:31] <Twiggy> bretzel:  Locks up everything
[03:31] <pagefault> sulkd, ahh :)
[03:32] <Twiggy> bretzel:  Gnome freezes as nautilus loads, Xfce froze when I tried to start naut, so did fluxbox
[03:32] <Xenguy> Joan-Baez: man apt-get
[03:32] <Twiggy> bretzel:  So I'm pretty sure naut is the problem ;oD
[03:32] <Pluk> i think gam_server but thats a wild guess
[03:32] <thor|coffee> Joan-Baez: use the -y flag
[03:33] <stephenb> thor|coffee: how to i save the file in vi, i have no plan form vi :|
[03:33] <Xenguy> stephenb: :w
[03:33] <Xenguy> stephenb: to write and quit -> ZZ
[03:33] <bretzel> mmm.. I use Hoary array-5  installation and apart from some other fixes I asked for , nautilus seems working graet without no probs... ( I would want to know which version )
[03:33] <stephenb> thx Xenguy i try save-file :!q  ... but no effect :( try :w :D
[03:34] <Joan-Baez> but i have installed gcc but now he report me failure because many library arent in ubuntu.. how can i emerge a Heavyfuelessential apt package for working with fuel ubuntu capability ?
[03:34] <stephenb> thx Xenguy :)
[03:34] <Xenguy> stephenb: yw.  (If you do -> :q! <- it quits without saving your changes!)
[03:34] <findme> Have all gentoo users migrated to ubuntu yet?
[03:35] <Joan-Baez> y
[03:35] <sulkd> findme, eek I hope not.. let the trolls stay in trollville
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Joan-Baez: heh - I didn't understand most of that: enable universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list and use the build-dep option with apt-get
[03:35] <sulkd> hehe
[03:36] <Joan-Baez> thoreauputic thanks i will enable the all universe
[03:36] <AndyFitz> findme,   i dont think so .  I just want `those people' to cross the tracks :P
[03:37] <aghdf> quiestion for all you ex-dedian people: do you miss anything?
[03:37] <Pluk> installing gentoo now just got into xfce :D finally
[03:38] <aghdf> *question
[03:38] <ark3_> How do I tell whether the os is trying to use my SBLive or the motherboard audio?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ex-debian? I'm both Ubuntu and Debian here :)
[03:38] <Pluk> gentoo>debian>ubuntu is my path
[03:38] <Pluk> now looking at gentoo again :P
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Pluk: slackware next!  *grin*
[03:39] <sulkd> Pluk, now now :]
[03:39] <Pluk> lol
[03:39] <Pluk> dualbooting though cuz ubuntu works just fine
[03:39] <sulkd> Pluk, I'm sure you're not all bad.. you haven't talked about how more "intimate" gentoo users are with their software yet
[03:39] <StoffBox-Steve_C> at this time nothing aghdf.... but i love ubuntu why ! 1: the kernel 2.6* not crash my CPU like at debian 2: the x-server its from the begining top :D 1280x1024 at startup .. not 800x600 like debian :)=
[03:40] <Pluk> i think i will get kicked and banned if i tell how intimate i am with my software
[03:40] <Pluk> but being on ubuntu or gentoo makes no diff in that :)
[03:40] <DAC1138> wow, ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch
[03:40] <sulkd> Pluk, lol :]
[03:40] <DAC1138> up form #3 yesterday
[03:41] <sulkd> that's funny, cause last I checked Ubuntu didn't have its own distro category on counter.li.org
[03:41] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: this too will pass ;)
[03:42] <sulkd> DAC1138, hrm? it's #5 according to mine eyes
[03:42] <StoffBox-Steve_C> i try to install gentoo stage 1  O3 -- today but the console crash and 3hours of compile --- that was args craps .....  Pluk
[03:42] <Pluk> hehe stage 1 here
[03:42] <thoreauputic> sulkd: the monthly figures have us a t #1 :)
[03:42] <Pluk> and it didnt booted...
[03:42] <sulkd> ic
[03:43] <StoffBox-Steve_C> so out for a coffee ---
[03:43] <thoreauputic> sulkd: not that it matters
[03:43] <Pluk> i screwed up grub.conf thank god
[03:43] <ark3_> So, umm, anyone? How do I make sound "go" on my SB Live?
[03:43] <cocol> ubuntu is #5
[03:43] <cocol> at distrowatch
[03:43] <thoreauputic> ark3_: modprobe sb  ?
[03:43] <Pluk> its #1 on last month
[03:45] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Okay... sudo modprobe emu10k1 seems to work, as in there's no error. What next?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> put it in /etc/modules  (assuming you hear cacophony when you do `cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp`
[03:46] <ark3_> thoreauputic: /dev/dsp: No such device
[03:47] <thoreauputic> ark3_: hoary?
[03:47] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Nor does hitting play in the "Sound Preferences" seem to do anything.
[03:47] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Warty.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> hmm
[03:48] <thoreauputic> I'm on warty  and cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp makes the expected whit noise...
[03:48] <thoreauputic> *white
[03:48] <ark3_> thoreauputic: I trust you mean cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, right?
[03:49] <StoffBox-Steve>  :( no coffeemilk :(
[03:49] <thoreauputic> ark3_: either should work
[03:50] <ark3_> thoreauputic: If I don't put the redirect arrow in there, it just cats /dev/urandom to the screen, which is not fun...
[03:50] <AlohaWolf> thoreauputic, thats quite a soothing noise
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ark3_: maybe play with alsamixer and see if it's muted?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ark3_: Ctrl-C to stop it
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ctrl-L to clear the screen
[03:51] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Hmm... Alsamixer is showing me the capture card... How do I tell it what device to use?
[03:51] <StoffBox-Steve> the Nvidia driver are @ Universe right ?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> ark3_: but I take your point ;)
[03:52] <thoreauputic> ark3_: hmmm - in debian I would run alsaconf - but it's deprecated in Ubuntu :(
[03:52] <ark3_> thoreauputic: What's the difference between emu10k1 (which I just modprobe'd) and snd_emu10k1 (which was already there)?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> ark3_: someone else might have some ideas
[03:53] <thoreauputic> ark3_: oss vs. alsa I think (but that's an educated guess, frankly - I don't know much about sound)
[03:54] <ark3_> Why is this so difficult? :(
[03:54] <thoreauputic> the alsa drivers all start with snd_ IIRC
[03:56] <hypa7ia> need some help with a hoary install... gnome is crashing on login. is this a known issue? if not, where in logs should i start looking?
[03:56] <ark3_> So a cat /dev/sndstat reveals that my SBLive is card 1... That gives me some clue.
[03:58] <BrianAnthony> does anyone know where the default firefox install directory is?
[03:58] <BrianAnthony> or where I would find the plugins
[03:58] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm need i Nvidia-glx ? or better what are there doing with Xfree ?
[03:59] <hypa7ia> BrianAnthony: if you install them as user, they are somewhere in /home/$you/.mozilla or .mozilla-firefox i think... where $you is your username
[03:59] <neonlightning> i know i should probly look on some of those links at the top but how do i go about installing jre there is a bin and rpm i've heard there were rpm to deb converters but haven't found one
[03:59] <hypa7ia> neonlightning: look in the guide, it's like 3 commands :-)
[03:59] <neonlightning> i figured i had to be that dence
[03:59] <hypa7ia> nah :-)
[04:00] <hypa7ia> there is an rpm->deb converter, it's called alien
[04:00] <hypa7ia> but you don't need it in this case
[04:00] <thoreauputic> BrianAnthony: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins I think
[04:00] <BrianAnthony> thoreauputic: that's what I'm looking for =)
[04:00] <BrianAnthony> thanks
[04:02] <hypa7ia> BrianAnthony: not if you installed them as a user tho
[04:02] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: re: gnome crash in hoary - it appears you are not alone
[04:02] <hypa7ia> tarnation
[04:02] <hypa7ia> s/cowboy/cowgirl
[04:03] <ark3_> So I turned up all the volume knobs on alsamixer; still no sound.
[04:03] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia:  sed awk groff  - as the console caveman says ;)
[04:04] <ark3_> Music Player freezes for a while, and then eventually says that it could not open resource for writing.
[04:04] <hypa7ia> lol thoreauputic
[04:04] <thoreauputic> ark3_: is your user in the audio group?
[04:05] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Hmm. groups?
[04:05] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Yup, it is.
[04:05] <thoreauputic> ark3_: type `id` or `groups`
[04:05] <thoreauputic> OK
[04:05] <mebaran151> hey
[04:06] <mebaran151> whenever I try to have totem play a file in /tmp
[04:06] <mebaran151> it complains it cant write to the resource
[04:06] <mebaran151> anyway to fix this problem
[04:06] <mebaran151> or is this one of those bugs I am going to have to code out
[04:06] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: any ideas on fixes, or where to look?
[04:06] <ark3_> What sort of files does totem play?
[04:06] <mebaran151> mp3
[04:06] <mebaran151> I dlled an mp3 of teddy roosevelt speaking
[04:06] <ark3_> Ah, thanks.
[04:07] <mebaran151> and it wont open it
[04:07] <neonlightning> ummmm hypa7ia, can i pm you something maby you can help me
[04:07] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: hmm - grep through the user mailoing list - it's been discussed if I remember correctly
[04:07] <StoffBox-Steve> Ctrl - alt - Backspace restart Xfree or only restart desktop ?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> *mailing
[04:08] <mebaran151> do I have to reboot to clear tmp
[04:08] <mebaran151> just curious
[04:08] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: both
[04:08] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: if you have gdm running that is
[04:08] <StoffBox-Steve> ok thx thoreauputic :) you are a great help :)
[04:09] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: will do so from work tomorrow.  thanks for the help :-)))
[04:10] <hypa7ia> actually one more q
[04:10] <StoffBox-Steve> ah thats totally fine :D nvidia works sound works :) 2.6* works ... now im happy :)
[04:10] <hypa7ia> is this an "every recent install is doing this" kinda thing, or a machine-specific one?
[04:10] <Chipzz> hmmm ok
[04:10] <Chipzz> I want to start a second X-server from X
[04:10] <ark3_> StoffBox-Steve: Did you happen to do anything specific to get sound to work?
[04:11] <Chipzz> when running X :1, it says: user not authorized
[04:11] <Chipzz> but when running the same command from the console, it does work
[04:11] <Chipzz> and no, I do NOT want to use Xnest
[04:11] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: there seem to be universal problems - I think some are related to the most recent kernel
[04:11] <hypa7ia> durn
[04:11] <Chipzz> I know what Xnest does and it is not what I want
[04:11] <thoreauputic> 2.6.10-4 ?
[04:12] <hypa7ia> perhaps i will wait before installing to my other box then :-/
[04:13] <StoffBox-Steve> no ark3_ i just restart my Xfree :) i never have a problem with my sound ( onboard AC97 Cmedia Virtual 6Channel ) :) on all system its works fine without doing somethink :)
[04:13] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: that's the one
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: you are up against the MIT magic cookie - have you tried the gdmflexiserver thing? Gives you a new login on a different tty
[04:13] <bob2> Chipzz: run it from a terminal
[04:14] <thoreauputic> if that's what you want
[04:14] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: I have unset XAUTHORITY
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: OK - you know about it :) Sorry
[04:14] <ark3_> StoffBox-Steve: Okay... Thanks anyway. I'd hoped for similar results with a normal card like an SBLive, but apparently something doesn't like me...
[04:14] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm how can i tell Nvidia that there is more than 1 CRT monitor  ? update the Xfree86Config or ?
[04:14] <Chipzz> bob2: not possible, it's started from within a script and that script runs from inside X
[04:14] <bob2> that script sounds broken
[04:14] <bob2> or you need to edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config or whatever it is
[04:15] <Chipzz> bob2: what I'm trying to do is start citrix ICA client on a second X-server when a user clicks on a shortcut
[04:15] <hypa7ia> which text-mode browser is it that has tabs and stuff?
[04:15] <hypa7ia> elinks?
[04:16] <ark3_> elinks does, as does links2
[04:16] <Chipzz> bob2: I have everything working except for the starting of the X-server
[04:16] <bob2> indeed
[04:17] <bob2> 13:14:55           bob2 | or you need to edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config or whatever it is
[04:17] <hypa7ia> links2! that was the one
[04:17] <Chipzz> currently it works, including switching to the other X-server
[04:17] <hypa7ia> thanks ark3_ :-)
[04:17] <Chipzz> only thing to get running is the starting of the 2nd X-server
[04:17] <ark3_> hypa7ia: Yup. :)
[04:18] <Chipzz> bob2: aha, exactly what I needed - thx :)
[04:19] <BTerer> how can i disable the automatic configuration of dns servers
[04:19] <BTerer> anyone?
[04:20] <ark3_> hypa7ia: Actually, judging by the screenshots, I think I'm wrong and it's just elinks.
[04:20] <bob2> wow
[04:20] <bob2> waiting a whole 2 minutes
[04:21] <awstott> how do you enable the root account?
[04:22] <ark3_> awstott: Give it a password: sudo passwd root
[04:22] <awstott> hmm
[04:23] <awstott> a friend is trying to install ubuntu and wants the root account.... he did a sudo something else and typed the wrong password... now it says access denied everytime he tries
[04:23] <bob2> that was silly, and a reason why having a root account is bad
[04:24] <ark3_> awstott: So you're saying that if he types "sudo ls" it asks for a password and always says access denied?
[04:25] <awstott> he's grouchy now.....
[04:25] <thoreauputic> awstott: heh - he can only blame himself, really
[04:25] <ark3_> So lsmod lists a bunch of modules; most of them are not in /etc/modules. How does the system decide what modules to load on boot?
[04:26] <awstott> I havn't had any probs with ubuntu
[04:26] <awstott> neither has one of my other classmates
[04:26] <andrewski> where can i get id3info?
[04:26] <awstott> only problem I have is installing it on my laptop :(
[04:26] <bob2> ark3_: hotplug does it
[04:26] <awstott> it hangs during install
[04:26] <mebaran151> ark3_, hotplug
[04:26] <mebaran151> also some of the initrd scipts load some modules
[04:26] <mebaran151> modules also are loaded by dependency
[04:27] <ark3_> Interesting. I recall that hotplug gets a few fatal errors modprobing stuff on startup. Is that normal?
[04:27] <mebaran151> ark3_, does your system work
[04:27] <neonlightning> what is the default root passwd or is that what awstott is asking about?
[04:27] <mebaran151> sometimes hotplug finds something you dont really have
[04:27] <mebaran151> it can get tricked
[04:27] <thoreauputic> neonlightning: there isn't one
[04:27] <mebaran151> not to hard to actually
[04:27] <ark3_> mebaran151: Well, it boots... But sound doesn't seem to work. SBLive on Warty.
[04:27] <mebaran151> ah
[04:27] <mebaran151> alot of people have that problem
[04:27] <mebaran151> I installed from array four
[04:28] <mebaran151> and had the same problem
[04:28] <mebaran151> it looks like a messed up library problem
[04:28] <mebaran151> what modules have you loaded
[04:28] <mebaran151> if worst comes to worst
[04:28] <mebaran151> and you have bandwidth to spare
[04:28] <ark3_> mebaran151: Well, a whole bunch...
[04:28] <mebaran151> dll a copy of like array 3 or 2
[04:28] <mebaran151> ark3_, tell me what has snd in fromt of it
[04:28] <mlambie> can anyone explain why I can't "sudo echo 600000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed" but I can if I "sudo su"?
[04:29] <mebaran151> like snd_emu10k1
[04:29] <ark3_> mebaran151: Something like lsmod | fgrep snd ?
[04:29] <andrewski> how do i tell which package provides a specific file?
[04:29] <ark3_> mebaran151: Where do I paste?
[04:29] <mebaran151> sure
[04:29] <mlambie> also, when i echo as root it changes the filesize to 0 from 4096
[04:29] <mebaran151> or just do a human search
[04:29] <mebaran151> heheh
[04:29] <mebaran151> I wonder if /join #flood works
[04:29] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:29] <thoreauputic> andrewski: install apt-file - or if the file is already installed, dpkg -S
[04:29] <mebaran151> paste it in #flood
[04:30] <mebaran151> ok
[04:30] <mebaran151> the modules load
[04:30] <mebaran151> like I said
[04:31] <mebaran151> I talked with a couple of the devs
[04:31] <mebaran151> had the same problem
[04:31] <mebaran151> they told me the easiest thing to do
[04:31] <andrewski> thoreauputic: thanks.
[04:31] <thoreauputic> andrewski: apt-cache show apt-file for a rundown on it
[04:31] <mebaran151> woudl be to backup whatever you have
[04:31] <mebaran151> wait
[04:31] <awstott> after my laptop scans for a cdrom it freeezes up
[04:31] <mebaran151> btw
[04:31] <mebaran151> what does your mixer show
[04:31] <ark3_> (which would be nothing, since I just installed...)
[04:31] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:31] <mebaran151> and just like usually an earlier install
[04:31] <ark3_> alsamixer -c 1 gives me the SBLive.
[04:31] <mebaran151> before you do as it is a pain in the ass
[04:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:32] <mebaran151> but like just check your levels
[04:32] <mebaran151> I had the same problem
[04:32] <mebaran151> I think it is a bug in how the initial folders are set up
[04:32] <mebaran151> or something like that
[04:32] <mebaran151> ALSA might get thrown wrong
[04:32] <ark3_> I turned all of them all the way up and made sure they're all not muted. Didn't seem to help.
[04:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:32] <mebaran151> you got the same problem
[04:33] <mebaran151> some device in the install gets messed up
[04:33] <mebaran151> they said
[04:33] <ark3_> Though I'm not sure why it's card 1... The tv tuner is card 0 for some reason.
[04:33] <mebaran151> oh
[04:33] <mebaran151> OH
[04:33] <mebaran151> I AM SUCH AN IDIOT
[04:33] <ark3_> (that's the bt_87x)
[04:33] <mebaran151> it must have been routing to my on board sound
[04:33] <mebaran151> do this
[04:33] <FAST> *** BMP >= 0.9.7rc2 not installed - please install first ***
[04:33] <FAST> where is this package?
[04:33] <mebaran151> can you temporarily like disable that
[04:33] <ark3_> Yeah, I've got onboard sound too...
[04:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:34] <mebaran151> I thought I turned it off
[04:34] <mebaran151> but it just might not be routing right
[04:34] <ark3_> Well cat /dev/sndstat doesn't list the onboard sound, so I prolly have that disabled correctly.
[04:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:34] <mebaran151> but I think it might just be doing some weird routing
[04:34] <mebaran151> jsut do a reinstall
[04:34] <mebaran151> from like Array 3
[04:35] <mebaran151> and then apt-get upgrade
[04:35] <ark3_> Okay. So what's array 3?
[04:35] <mebaran151> oh
[04:35] <mebaran151> what did you install from
[04:36] <mebaran151> Hoary?
[04:36] <ark3_> I downloaded the Warty install CD.
[04:36] <ark3_> All Warty here.
[04:36] <mebaran151> oh it is a Warty thing
[04:36] <mebaran151> hmm
[04:36] <mebaran151> you willing to live on the wild side
[04:36] <mebaran151> Warty never worked for me
[04:36] <mebaran151> I need Xorg for my vid card
[04:36] <ark3_> Heh. I thought the point of going from Sid to Warty was stability or something... Whatever, yeah, why not. Let's give Hoary a spin.
[04:37] <mebaran151> haha
[04:37] <awstott> hoary is the bomb
[04:37] <mebaran151> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:37] <mebaran151> I am running on AMD64
[04:37] <mebaran151> and my install is like ice
[04:37] <mebaran151> smooth and slick
[04:37] <ark3_> Okay, so releases, then hoary, then array 3?
[04:37] <mebaran151> try 5 first
[04:38] <mebaran151> I was assuming you were on 3
[04:38] <mebaran151> try five first
[04:38] <mebaran151> the latest
[04:38] <mebaran151> less hassle
[04:38] <ark3_> Ah... Someone was complaining about Gnome not working in 5?
[04:38] <mebaran151> you dont have to dll a couple hundred megs of updates
[04:38] <mebaran151> really
[04:38] <mebaran151> somebody made an error
[04:38] <mebaran151> try array three then
[04:38] <mebaran151> it worked for me
[04:38] <mebaran151> 4 was borked sound
[04:38] <ark3_> thoreauputic: Do you remember something about Gnome choking in array 5?
[04:38] <mebaran151> 3 was a nice little devil
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ark3_: something about kernel 2.6.10-4 and inotify IIRC
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ark3_: but that's just from reading the mailing list a few hours ago
[04:40] <ark3_> So what do you think? 3 or 5 for me?
[04:40] <bzbb> how hard is it going from a working warty install to a hoary install?
[04:40] <ark3_> mebaran151: Yeah, for that matter, do I really need to reinstall? Or is a dist-upgrade good enough?
[04:40] <bob2> bzbb: not very, but things may break
[04:41] <thoreauputic> bzbb: basically you just chage all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <bzbb> ah
[04:41] <bzbb> well, as long as I don't get filesystem corruption, I don't care too much
[04:42] <bzbb> and filesystem corruption is more annoying than crital
[04:42] <bzbb> critical
[04:42] <AlohaWolf> I upgraded.. it seems to be working great
[04:42] <bzbb> I'm guessing that a reboot is required?
[04:42] <bob2> bzbb: no
[04:42] <bzbb> really?
[04:42] <bob2> filesystem corruption won't happen, but things might not run, etc
[04:42] <bzbb> no new kernel version?
[04:43] <ark3_> It seems mebaran151 has disappeared...?
[04:43] <bob2> sure
[04:43] <bob2> but you don't *have* to reboot
[04:43] <bzbb> heh
[04:43] <bzbb> ok, I think I'm going to go for it
[04:44] <bzbb> warty is too boring
[04:46] <bzbb> how about my wart-backports repository?
[04:47] <kfish> external powerbook display works in hoary? super sexy
[04:47] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[04:47] <Chipzz> ok, so now I can start teh 2nd X-server, but now I don't have authority on it
[04:47] <Chipzz> *grmbl*
[04:47] <crypticreign> latest hoary updates, gnome feeezes on start
[04:47] <Chipzz> *kicks X*
[04:47] <FAST> where is the "bmp" package?  trying to install audioscrobbler stuff
[04:48] <FAST> configure: WARNING: *** BMP >= 0.9.7rc2 not installed - please install first ***
[04:49] <crypticreign> hm i think its 2.6.10-4
[04:49] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: it appears so, yes
[04:50] <ixus_123> Hi, just a quicky, how do I start ubuntu in text mode?
[04:50] <crypticreign> thoreauputic: :)
[04:50] <ixus_123> edit etc/initab?
[04:51] <qlo-xael> I'm having a problem with my PATH variable, i've edited it in /etc/profile and it works fine in console, but in X, it doesnt work
[04:51] <qlo-xael> anyone know if X uses a different profile type file ?
[04:51] <bzbb> whee!
[04:52] <bzbb> 694 megs of downloads
[04:52] <ark3_> FAST: You may find a file called config.log or something like that. That file should show you what test configure ran before choking on the BMP thing.
[04:52] <stuNNed> bzbb: of what?
[04:52] <bzbb> hoary
[04:52] <stuNNed> array 5?
[04:53] <gpled> anyone having trouble with cdrecord?
[04:53] <bzbb> what is array 5?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: try putting a line :  source /etc/profile in .bash_profile , or edit your pathe in there
[04:53] <stuNNed> bzbb: latest release of hoary unstable
[04:53] <ark3_> Oh well, I'm giving up for now. Later folks, and thanks much to everyone who tried to help.
[04:54] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic, putting the PATH= def wouldnt work in .bashrc because that only really applies to the terminal right?
[04:54] <Feiten> My clock is disapearing somethimes :s Whats wrong?
[04:54] <bzbb> I just changed all my sources from warty to hoary and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: the path seems to be defined in .bash_profile here - just looked
[04:55] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: but .bashrc gets included in that file anyway
[04:55] <thoreauputic> if it exists
[04:55] <qlo-xael> hmm, yeah i've got PATH=~/bin:"{$PATH}" in mine
[04:56] <qlo-xael> so that means the path set in profile should already be included right?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> yep
[04:56] <thoreauputic> which profile do you mean?
[04:56] <qlo-xael> /etc/profile
[04:56] <thoreauputic> I don't think so, unless you say `source /etc/profile`
[04:57] <gpled> having trouble with cdrecord. is their another application i can use from synaptic?
[04:57] <gpled> want to burn an iso
[04:57] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic, would the very first line be a good place for that?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> gpled: right click in nautilus on the iso, choose burn
[04:58] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: I doubt that it matters much - try it and see
[04:58] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: the last line would still get read I guess
[04:58] <lordan> hmm.. thoreauputic, doesn't nautilus-cd-burn use cdrecord?
[04:59] <lordan> or am I mistake?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> lordan: I guess so - but it appears to work
[04:59] <lordan> argh.. mistakeN!
[04:59] <thoreauputic> lordan: else install gnomebaker - that works too
[04:59] <lordan> ok, problem solved, then :-)
[05:00] <crypticreign> hmm i upgrade to haory, now the wonderful mouse curcurs are gone to plane old X ones
[05:00] <thoreauputic> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/  << for gnomebaker debs
[05:00] <gpled> thoreauputic: how do i get synaptic to stop asking for my cd?  dont have it with me.
[05:00] <crypticreign> *cursours
[05:01] <lordan> gpled, remove the cd from your sources.list
[05:01] <thoreauputic> gpled: comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list and  sudo apt-get update
[05:01] <lordan> you can comment it out
[05:01] <thoreauputic> lordan: great minds ? ;-)
[05:02] <lordan> lol
[05:02] <thoreauputic> or fools never differ *grin*
[05:02] <lordan> sounds more like it ;-)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> yeah ;)
[05:04] <gpled> thanks! got rid of the cd request :)
[05:06] <CarlK>  is there a log of what I have reciently apt-get installed?
[05:06] <qlo-xael> thoreauputic, after i made that change, it shoudnt take effect until i restart X i suppose?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: logout-login - but remember that non-login  shells look at .bashrc, not .bash_profile
[05:08] <gpled> thoreauputic: thanks for the nautilus tip. seems to be working
[05:08] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: so that source line might need to be in both - I haven't really looked in depth
[05:08] <qlo-xael> ok
[05:09] <thoreauputic> gpled: gnomebaker is nice too - you might want to look at the URL I posted above
[05:09] <Sandu> How to switch keyboard language on login screen? Can't login into new Ubuntu!
[05:10] <thoreauputic> boot to failsafe mode, and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales , I'd say
[05:11] <thoreauputic> gnomebaker debs: >>     http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[05:12] <thoreauputic> time to go - later all
[05:12] <Teal`c> is there a ubuntu livecd ?
[05:12] <SiRrUs> see you
[05:12] <Sandu> I tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" in recovery mode and selected russian and english (en-us utf-8) but after reboot i still can't change language.
[05:12] <bob2> of course
[05:12] <Teal`c> what version of gnome does it load ?
[05:13] <FR500> hello
[05:14] <FR500> i can't take screenshots. I mean, i press print Screen and nothing happens, no save file or clipboard content, is something wrong?
[05:14] <CarlK> "print" <> clipboard
[05:14] <lordan> fr500 a few days ago I had a *long* delay
[05:15] <mebaran151> how good is gnomebaker
[05:15] <FR500> it's great
[05:15] <lordan> like 5-10 minutes before the dialog appeared
[05:15] <FR500> oh ok
[05:15] <FR500> gnomebaker rules, except for vbr mp3s
[05:15] <lordan> but it seems ok now (lemme check again)
[05:15] <CarlK> is prtscrn sposed to grab the screen?
[05:16] <lordan> screen shot works well
[05:16] <FR500> hmmm
[05:16] <FR500> not for me
[05:16] <lordan> can you try to run it from a terminal
[05:17] <lordan> so that you can see if there are any messages?
[05:17] <Sandu> Which keys are to switch languages in fresh installed Ubuntu by default? How to switch keyboard language on login screen? Can't login into new Ubuntu! I tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" in recovery mode and selected russian and english (en-us utf-8) locales but after reboot i still can't change language.
[05:17] <lordan> the app is called gnome-screenshot
[05:17] <FR500> ok lemme try
[05:18] <KuroiShi> dear lord.  I just came off a gentoo binge.  good to be back to ubuntu
[05:18] <FR500> hmmm, command not found
[05:18] <lordan> kuroishi, how is gentoo these days
[05:18] <lordan> fr500, you must be missing some package..
[05:19] <FR500> yeah
[05:20] <KuroiShi> lordan, meh, same as always i guess.  But the number of clueless zealots is increasing exponentially.
[05:20] <dash> well yes
[05:20] <dash> because the population of the world is increasing exponentially
[05:20] <dash> stands to reason!
[05:20] <KuroiShi> haha
[05:20] <FR500> there is no gnome screenshot package or anything on synaptic
[05:20] <lordan> KuroiShi, tends to be a problem since Gentoo gave itself a reputation
[05:21] <dash> speaking of clueless zealots, is anyone having difficulty with today's kernel packages?
[05:21] <lordan> of being a distro for "hardcore" ppl
[05:21] <dash> hee hee gentoo
[05:21] <dash> in particular, 2.6.10-4-686, with fglrx
[05:21] <FR500> hmmmm gnome-panel-screenshot for me
[05:21] <FR500> and it works
[05:21] <lordan> dash, yepp
[05:21] <FR500> but how do i make the key to work
[05:21] <KuroiShi> anywho, i'm not accustomed to this whole not having a script to handle init scripts thing.  How to i do this?
[05:21] <dash> lordan: Okay, glad to know it isn't just me.
[05:22] <dash> lordan: has a bug been filed?
[05:22] <error_29> FR500, screenshot is available from the "Computer" menu, or you can add it to a panel
[05:22] <error_29> oops, sorry FR500
[05:22] <lordan> dash, been discussed in ubuntuforums
[05:22] <lordan> it's a kernel/gamin issue
[05:22] <dash> lordan: cool, i will read
[05:22] <KuroiShi> haha, better not reboot then cause i just installed that kernel and fglrx
[05:23] <dash> KuroiShi: well, that's why i didn't remove -3 :D
[05:23] <dash> because i was not sure yet
[05:23] <lordan> KuroiShi, I think you're looking for update-rc.d
[05:23] <lordan> man it
[05:23] <FR500> error_29: isn't there a way to map it to print screen?
[05:24] <lordan> ok, gotta head off.. need a few minutes of sleep b4 work
[05:24] <dash> aha! noinotify.
[05:24] <KuroiShi> thanks a lot lordan, pleasent dreams
[05:24] <dash> nice.
[05:24] <rocker> Hey IO need help is anyone out there?
[05:25] <dash> hi
[05:25] <sig> rocker: whats up?
[05:25] <error_29> I imagine so, FR500, but I don't know how.  Personally i prefer the kde screenshot app myself
[05:25] <FR500> ok
[05:25] <rocker> I'm a newbie to Ubunto and need help
[05:25] <delltony> anyone know if the bug in hoary on deleting recently used has been fixed yet?
[05:25] <sig> rocker: well ask dude
[05:26] <rocker> what can I do to get my nivdia card working on here?
[05:26] <sig> delltony: trying to get rid of your recently viewed porn movies???? lol
[05:26] <SiRrUs> FR500 did you get the key working
[05:26] <delltony> of course man
[05:26] <error_29> rocker, I'm a newbie to linux in any form.  I think they need a new distro just for us called Nubuntu
[05:26] <delltony> porns the way of the future
[05:26] <delltony> :p
[05:26] <FR500> no SiRrus
[05:26] <rocker> LOL
[05:26] <sig> rocker: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:27] <rocker> I'm used to mandrake
[05:27] <sig> rocker: this guide is your best buddy
[05:27] <error_29> Mandrake almost killed my self-esteem several years ago.
[05:27] <rocker> ok I hate this dang intel onboard card
[05:27] <SiRrUs> FR500 try system/preferences/keyboard shortcut
[05:27] <error_29> They said it was easy; I easily trashed a hard drive.  Hated their install
[05:28] <error_29> rocker, set X-chat to automatically log everything, you'll have an encyclopedia of info on this stuff in no time
[05:28] <FR500> there is the shortcut, and it's working but it doesnt launch the app
[05:28] <rocker> I only started with Mandrake 10.0 cause windows got boring
[05:29] <SiRrUs> FR500 strange it doesnt work for you mine is good
[05:29] <error_29> I tried Mandrake 7, I'm sure it's improved!
[05:30] <Sandu> What keyboard shortcut is to switch languages in login screen with fresh installed Ubuntu by default? Tried Ctrl+Shift, Alt+Shift, Shift+shift... but it does not works.     GET IT OFF!!!
[05:33] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:33] <error_29> The keys are way toooo dead.  Who needs an accent mark on an "s"?
[05:33] <stuNNed> error_29: what is IME?
[05:33] <error_29> "input method editor" stuNNed.
[05:33] <KuroiShi> regeya, your terrible pun has made my day
[05:33] <dash> regeya: gnustep needs major corporate backing /and/ some decent UI designers before it can take over the world
[05:34] <error_29> Hell, in windows 3.1 it was easier to type with accented characters than on this thing
[05:34] <dash> gnustep was awesome back in the day but i think gnome has all the good parts from it now
[05:34] <regeya> dash:  indeed, who cares if the API can wipe the floor with the mishmash known as GNOME, it needs to be prettier!
[05:34] <dash> regeya: meh
[05:35] <regeya> GNOME is pretty these days, which makes it superior.
[05:35] <dash> regeya: so what's gnustep got
[05:35] <regeya> meh.
[05:35] <error_29> It could be prettier, if it stopped lying to me about the icons!
[05:35] <regeya> so what's the good parts that gnome's got
[05:35] <error_29> I choose a pretty icon, and it gives me a crappy old icon
[05:35] <dash> regeya: 1) widespread acceptance 2) lots of apps and libraries
[05:35] <regeya> anything I mention, you'll just 'oh but gnome's sorta got that'
[05:36] <regeya> and then I'll be an idiot by default, in your eyes.
[05:36] <regeya> oh, well.
[05:36] <regeya> dash:  that makes windows better than all this.  let's run off to the store and get our copies of xp professional. ;-)
[05:36] <dash> regeya: erm
[05:36] <dash> what? no it doesn't
[05:36] <regeya> yeah!
[05:36] <regeya> the thing that's great about gnome is that it's got widespread acceptance, and lots of apps and libraries!
[05:36] <regeya> windows has gnome beat in that department, though.
[05:36] <dash> regeya: it is /a/ thing
[05:37] <dash> regeya: yes, it is an advantage windows has
[05:37] <error_29> Here's something, ironically, in Windows favor:  a lot of great open source stuff written for windows or ported to it that is simply easy for noobs like me to istall and use
[05:37] <dbjh> windows is an waful operating system
[05:37] <dash> regeya: so, we've talked about the advantages of gnome and the advantages of windows
[05:37] <dash> regeya: what are the advantages of gnustep?
[05:37] <regeya> dash:  I find objective-c to be easier to understand, and quite frankly, the RAD tools I've used beat anything I've seen in the world of free software and open source.
[05:37] <dash> regeya: easier to understand than what?
[05:38] <regeya> dash: unfortunately, the support for it just isn't there, an dthe organization isn't there
[05:38] <regeya> gnome wins because there's a group of whip-crackers willing to do what it takes to get stuff done.
[05:39] <dash> ...?
[05:39] <Chipzz> regeya: expect more gnome apps to come
[05:39] <error_29> regeya, tell the whip crackers to crack the whip on the desktop so it doesn't crash every time I change wallpaper
[05:39] <Chipzz> the next release of acrobat reader will be GTK+ based
[05:39] <regeya> error_29: heh
[05:40] <KuroiShi> god damnit, isn't there a gui tool to configure daemons? where the hell is it?
[05:40] <regeya> Chipzz: I happen to know there's a *step version of Acrobat Reader, just not gnustep.  I use Cocoa Acrobat all the time. :-/
[05:40] <regeya> or maybe it's carbon.
[05:40] <regeya> that'd change things.
[05:40] <awstott> KuroiShi try webmin?
[05:40] <error_29> or at least have gnome stop throwing TWO error messages at me every time it does that
[05:40] <Chipzz> and with the "migration" of traditional UNICes from CDE to GNOME, you can expect even more apps to migrate I think
[05:40] <Adrenal> just got new monitor
[05:40] <dash> regeya: btw: Turtledove fan? :)
[05:40] <Adrenal> how do i make ubuntu reconize this one?
[05:40] <KuroiShi> awstott, overkill for something i KNOW is in gnome
[05:40] <error_29> But man I love ubuntu and Gnome lets me just enjoy my computer again
[05:41] <regeya> dash:  indeed!
[05:41] <dash> regeya: so... objc is easier to understand than what?
[05:41] <Adrenal> like, the res and stuff is still off the old one?
[05:41] <regeya> I greet you superior sir
[05:41] <awstott> lol... just tossing suggestion out..... i'm fairly new to actually using linux..... I have had a box for a couple of years but pretty much just installed it and thats about it
[05:41] <regeya> dash: I guess I'm an idiot. :-}  beyond basics I find g++ to be ghastly and incomprehensible, though it's been a while since I've done any coding.  I've been doing some objc lately and love it...so far. ;-)
[05:41] <dash> regeya: i think objc is easier to understand than some things, but i didn't understand what you were comparing it to :)
[05:41] <Adrenal> anyone?
[05:42] <regeya> c++
[05:42] <regeya> rther
[05:42] <dash> regeya: oh, well, yeah, there's no reason to use C++, like, ever
[05:42] <error_29> folks, I need an opinion-- I want to try installing minix on a 486 laptop, 4 megs memory
[05:42] <Chipzz> regeya: the thing with g++ is learning to read (and understand) the error messages
[05:42] <dash> regeya: python's even easier than objc, even for cocoa apps :)
[05:42] <error_29> just to use to learn basics, and gmacs and stuff
[05:42] <KuroiShi> awstott, yeah, webmin is great, I use it on my server.  But kinda silly to put it on a desktop only to configure services.
[05:42] <regeya> Chipzz: I actually meant c++ :-}
[05:42] <awstott> yah
[05:42] <regeya> python is awesome
[05:42] <error_29> any one use minix?
[05:43] <Chipzz> regeya: yeah I agree - C++ syntax is one big mess
[05:43] <Chipzz> one big powerfull mess, but a big mess nevertheless
[05:43] <regeya> I work with zope on an in-house project; I realize it's not the most pythonic thing out there, but I like it.
[05:43] <dash> regeya: zope is pretty handy when it's used for what it's designed for :)
[05:43] <error_29> Python and Ruby both look appealing to me, if I ever get the discipline to try to learn some programming
[05:43] <Chipzz> and python rules big time :)
[05:43] <hypa7ia> error_29: i do
[05:44] <dash> yeah
[05:44] <hypa7ia> once in a while
[05:44] <Chipzz> error_29: python is almost as easy as VB ;)
[05:44] <hypa7ia> on my powebook 170 :-)
[05:44] <error_29> hypa7ia, use minix?
[05:44] <hypa7ia> indeedly
[05:44] <dash> python and ruby are a lot alike, but python has more useful libraries IME
[05:44] <hypa7ia> i learned C on it
[05:44] <hypa7ia> 2 years ago
[05:44] <error_29> Cool
[05:44] <hypa7ia> but now python is more my thing
[05:45] <KuroiShi> hypa7ia, do you have a howto or something?  i have some old powerbooks that i want to nixify
[05:45] <bur[n] er> hypa7ia: know how to use pygtk stuff?
[05:45] <Chipzz> hypa7ia: I agree python is a very nice language, for applications
[05:45] <KuroiShi> but i don't have time to hack it out myself
[05:45] <Chipzz> but for libraries you still want c
[05:45] <error_29> I would love to get my old toshiba laptop with 4 megs ram running with something
[05:45] <regeya> dash:  really, I'm impressed that GNUstep has achieved a number of their goals.  It's nice to see a group of APIs that are fairly consistent.  Also I'm biased 'coz I work with Macs all the time so I definitely had an interest in cocoa development. :-}  I have trouble grokking gnome development, even rad
[05:46] <regeya> dont get me wrong!  gnome has become amazingly usable and consistent!
[05:46] <dash> regeya: i'm presenting something of a strawman argument myself, i never write gui apps ;)
[05:46] <StoffBox-Stev1> @all have someone a reason why the Nvidia driver only find one monitor ?
[05:46] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: it's mad easy.... minix runs as a program on os 7
[05:46] <regeya> dash:  I've only done so just toying around ;-)
[05:46] <error_29> I'm jonesing for a mac mini.  Not sure why
[05:46] <dash> regeya: but looking at the state of things now, i'm not sure the advantages gnustep has anymore
[05:46] <dash> error_29: it is TINY and CUTE
[05:46] <hypa7ia> error_29: you want FreeDos for that toshiba
[05:47] <hypa7ia> bur[n] er: not yet, sorry :-/
[05:47] <error_29> Yes, hypa7ia, I think you're right!
[05:47] <hypa7ia> freedos rocks :-)_
[05:47] <error_29> and oops
[05:47] <hypa7ia> so good for old games
[05:47] <error_29> how did that happen??
[05:47] <delltony> cool fixed recent-documents just killed gnome-panel and it cleared it and set a chmod +600 to ~/.recent-used and it disables the menu :)
[05:48] <error_29> sorry, I hit the tab key too hard or something
[05:48] <KuroiShi> hypa7ia, badass.  I'll have to actually find one of those lappys now
[05:49] <KuroiShi> i just realized though, i don't have anyway of getting the binary TO the laptop =/
[05:49] <hypa7ia> lol KuroiShi... i believe you want to be googling macminix... i'd send you a link but i'm stuck being a console cowgirl tonight
[05:49] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: floppy disks
[05:49] <hypa7ia> minix is like 600K
[05:49] <KuroiShi> i don't own a floppy drive
[05:49] <hypa7ia> DL it at school / work / library :-)
[05:49] <hypa7ia> pssh excuses :-p
[05:50] <error_29> I think I could run minix over dos...
[05:50] <hypa7ia> error_29: i think that;s correct
[05:50] <hypa7ia> it's so nice on oldschool macs tho
[05:51] <error_29> hmmm, doorstop no longer!
[05:51] <error_29> I loved that laptop
[05:51] <KuroiShi> don't those floppys have some weird FS?
[05:52] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: most macs can read FAT
[05:52] <hypa7ia> error_29: isn't that a great feeling :-)
[05:52] <KuroiShi> oh, cool.
[05:52] <KuroiShi> time to go hunt down a powerbook
[05:52] <Dr_willis> CP/M  :)
[05:52] <KuroiShi> i think i have a 140 and 2 160s
[05:52] <regeya> indeed macos of the last few years can read fat
[05:52] <error_29> hypa7ia, it sure is!
[05:52] <hypa7ia> even if they can't, you can load HFS software onto anything else
[05:53] <regeya> don't know about 7, but definitely 8+
[05:53] <KuroiShi> okay, they are HFS.
[05:53] <KuroiShi> I wasn't sure if the older stuff used something other than hfs
[05:53] <hypa7ia> error_29: my friend just fix0red my sweet little powerbook 2400c... i am just overjoyed
[05:53] <KuroiShi> i'm not a mac guy
[05:53] <KuroiShi> yet
[05:53] <hypa7ia> what a beeeoootiful little machine
[05:53] <KuroiShi> as soon as tiger comes out i'm snatching a minimac =D
[05:53] <hypa7ia> regeya: there's an extension for 7
[05:53] <error_29> I've always had mac envy
[05:53] <regeya> welcome to a constant state of madness, KuroiShi
[05:54] <hypa7ia> i was on OS X for >2 years
[05:54] <regeya> remember, Macs are easy to deal with.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> ive looked hard at the macs.. and even have an imacdv.. and soorry.. just not that impressed. :(
[05:54] <regeya> keep reminding yourself of that fact
[05:54] <hypa7ia> i shit you not, i switched fulltime to linux (pc laptop) because of ubu
[05:54] <hypa7ia> but macs are sweet
[05:54] <Dr_willis> regeya,  im sure some would beg to differ on the easy part. :P
[05:54] <error_29> Does anyone know if the Mac WiFi works with linux?
[05:55] <qlo-xael> I'm having a problem with my PATH definitions, I entered the pathnames in /etc/profile and in ~/.bashrc, and it works in console and gnome-terminal, but it doesnt work in straight X, anybody have any idea what to do?
[05:55] <hypa7ia> i am gonna try and convince my family to get one... would make them bug me less :-)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> The easier they make stuff.. the harder it seems to be to FIX things when they do break.
[05:55] <hypa7ia> error_29: the extreme does not
[05:55] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: not on OS X... xertainly not.
[05:55] <regeya> forget that open firmware is based on forth.  forget that the complexity of os x makes linux look like a playskool toy.  just remember that os x has a lickable interface.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> hypa7ia,  some how the step kids managed to mess up the imac.. actually i THINK it was the cable-company software...
[05:55] <regeya> Dr_willis: sarcasm
[05:55] <qlo-xael> Does X use a different PATH definition?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> this was on OS-X even. :P
[05:56] <Dr_willis> the imacdv is now running Ubuntu :P
[05:56] <hypa7ia> Dr_willis: which version of x? <10.3 kinda blew
[05:56] <Dr_willis> I think this was 10.3 - just bouight it like 6 mo ago.
[05:56] <error_29> Friends I have who are complete non-techies achieve a kind of bliss of actually feeling in some kind of creative control of their macs
[05:56] <regeya> 10.2 wasn't bad.  at least finder looked like it was an aqua app
[05:56] <Dr_willis> sort of a waste to put in an old imac like that.. but its just the kids web-surfing box.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> I never really felt in controll of the OS-X :P seemed i was always fighting it to work how i wanted it to.. but you get that mentality from useing linux  and 100 different window managers.
[05:58] <KuroiShi> anyone know if the ubuntu livecd kernel has hfs support?
[05:58] <error_29> exactly, Dr_willis
[05:58] <Dr_willis> and jumping from 3 or 4 different OS's in a single day gets you confused at times.
[05:58] <helio7> does anyone know a small app to resize a batch of jpeg files to a smaller size (for uploading to a gallery)?
[05:58] <error_29> my tab key is completely fucked! anyone else seeing my output?  my keybindings are messed up or something
[05:58] <hypa7ia> KuroiShi: it should
[05:58] <hypa7ia> error_29: looks normal here
[05:58] <Amaranth> error_29: Nope, can't see you at all.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> helio7,  Hmm.. i knwo  KDE has a "make image galley" feature that ive used a great deal.
[05:59] <qlo-xael> I'm having a problem with my PATH definitions, I entered the pathnames in /etc/profile and in ~/.bashrc, and it works in console and gnome-terminal, but it doesnt work in straight X, anybody have any idea what to do?
[05:59] <qlo-xael> anybody?
[05:59] <Dr_willis> 'straight X' ?
[05:59] <KuroiShi> then it's off to the basement and then to my parents PC, provided i can find a floppy...
[06:00] <Syslock> can any 1 help me!
[06:00] <qlo-xael> Dr_willis, as in non-terminal, run application type execution
[06:00] <KuroiShi> Syslock, most likely
[06:00] <KuroiShi> what's the problem?
[06:01] <Syslock> hi any way am from cgile
[06:01] <Syslock> CHILE
[06:01] <Syslock> am trying to instaall ubuntu on a machine and i got an error  tahat
[06:01] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  hmm.. could be that the run application is not loading the .bashrc or .bash_profile (or perhaops its running one but not the other)
[06:02] <qlo-xael> in my .bash_profile, nothing is uncommented
[06:02] <qlo-xael> there is no path setting
[06:03] <Syslock> said the md5sum has faildes
[06:03] <Syslock> faild
[06:03] <Syslock> on ./dists/warty...../Packages
[06:04] <Dr_willis> # If not running interactively, don't do anything
[06:04] <Dr_willis> [ -z "$PS1" ]  && return
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Hmmmm.....
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Looke like that tells it to STOP there. :P
[06:04] <Dr_willis> which May be the case when useing that run app menu item.. But you want the path for the 'run application' to be set.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> so this may not be the issue
[06:05] <hypa7ia> i'm off to bed.  good luck with the minix adventures, error_29 :-)
[06:06] <Syslock> no one
[06:06] <qlo-xael> hmmm
[06:06] <qlo-xael> i have an idea
[06:06] <qlo-xael> a link
[06:06] <Syslock> alguien ESPAOL
[06:06] <qlo-xael> in a path thats already listed
[06:07] <qlo-xael> that seems to make sense
[06:07] <jevidl> quick question, if I drag and drop wav files into the built in gnome cd burning with nautilus, will automatically make an audio cd?
[06:08] <Amaranth> nope
[06:08] <Amaranth> nautilus only does data cds
[06:08] <jevidl> how do I do it then?
[06:08] <Amaranth> the best linux app for burning cds right now is k3b
[06:08] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  not sure. :P .bashrc is ran at different times then say .bash_profile also.
[06:08] <SiRrUs> jevidl graveman works very good also
[06:08] <dbjh> where do you get k3b
[06:08] <Dr_willis> for example 'xterm -l' runs .bashrc xterm -ls runs .bash_profile
[06:08] <jevidl> SiRrUs: hmm, ok. I will just copy them over to my other machine quick
[06:08] <Amaranth> dbjh: sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:09] <Amaranth> If you're using warty read the howto in the wiki or you might have some issues.
[06:09] <qlo-xael> Dr_willis, thanks anyway friend
[06:09] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  i got no idea how gnome sets ITs path. its possible its useing some setting thasts in the 'Gconf' stuff
[06:10] <Syslock> exit
[06:11] <jevidl> Amaranth: thanks
[06:11] <regeya> they've cut the hardline.  you'll have to find another exit.
[06:11] <jevidl> SiRrUs: you too, thanks
[06:11] <regeya> yikes, my irc client froze.
[06:12] <qlo-xael> hmm i'll look there, Dr_willis
[06:12] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  but i dident see it just now when i looked :P
[06:12] <dbjh> thank you Amaranth
[06:12] <Dr_willis> trying to make the 'run application' menu item run a shell that does "echo $PATH" :P
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i forget the command that pauses a shell till you hit Enter.
[06:13] <qlo-xael> i think if i just put a link in /usr/local to the java command and place the java directory in /usr/local i've seen it work that way before
[06:13] <qlo-xael> i think
[06:14] <Dr_willis> qlo-xael,  or make a batch file/script :p
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm gnome help docs are less then helpfull in this area. searched for 'run' and it mentions the Runing of Scripts.. but it dosent have that item uin the menus like it said it should..
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Outdated docs? I rember a 'run script' item on older versions of gnome
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> HEL!PP! update-manager cant download any files from archive.ubuntu.com
[06:18] <Dr_willis> server may be down
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Dr_willis: no ... look at the error
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main python-gtk2 2.5.4-0ubuntu2
[06:19] <da_bon_bon>   Bad header line
[06:19] <Dr_willis> could be the webserver part is down. I just pinged it. so its up. Hmm
[06:20] <hypa7ia> just wanted to let ppl know about the solution to the weird gnome-freezing issue for the moment:
[06:21] <Yomega_Killer> How does it freezes ?
[06:21] <hypa7ia> adding noinotify to the kernel line in grub fixores et
[06:21] <hypa7ia> err it
[06:21] <Yomega_Killer> ? strange ?
[06:22] <hypa7ia> Yomega_Killer: it just freezes dead on install / update to 2.6.10-4
[06:22] <hypa7ia> indeed
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> whats inotify, bte ?
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> btyw ?
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: i am experiencing it too.
[06:22] <Yomega_Killer> I use this opt and it doesn't freeze
[06:22] <hypa7ia> Yomega_Killer: what are you running?
[06:23] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: add noinotify (we're replacing inotify with dnotify apparently) to the kernel line in grub
[06:23] <Yomega_Killer> Warty 4.10
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: added.
[06:23] <ironwolf> 2.6.10-4 on hoary kills me too.
[06:24] <hypa7ia> ironwolf: give the fix a try
[06:24] <hypa7ia> i just logged into gnome on my fresh ubu install <3 <3
[06:24] <TetrisMaster> Ubuntu couldnt locate my wireless card...it only located my (unused) eth0 LAN 10/100 card....how can i fix this?
[06:24] <hypa7ia> after a month away, i missed it
[06:24] <hypa7ia> TetrisMaster: what kind of card?
[06:24] <ironwolf> hypa7ia: what fix?
[06:24] <TetrisMaster> DLink B
[06:25] <hypa7ia> ironwolf: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16681&page=3&pp=10
[06:25] <hypa7ia> add noinotify to your kernel line in grub
[06:25] <TetrisMaster> a D-link wireless DWL-520
[06:26] <TetrisMaster> 802.11b
[06:26] <Dr_willis> ive had such issues with wireless under Linux and windows.. i just ran the *$*$(@ wires! and was done with it.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:26] <TetrisMaster> lol
[06:26] <Se7h> wow
[06:27] <Se7h> i cant ear sound from movies
[06:27] <Se7h> o.0
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: fucking kernel crashed again, but not before i could add "noinotify"
[06:27] <Dr_willis> i even got network cables going behind the couch in the living room. :P
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> so now, lets see
[06:27] <hypa7ia> good luck da_bon_bon
[06:27] <TetrisMaster> i really ned the wireless though...its an old 18oo's home...cannot mess with wall, and only where internet is located...totally away from me :)
[06:27] <hypa7ia> TetrisMaster: know what chipset by any chance? lsusb might reveal it
[06:27] <bborkk> hawke: Hi again.  I figured out part of the problem thanks to something you mentioned.
[06:27] <cg0def> this is probably an easy question but how do you add 32bit repos to hoary 64?
[06:27] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon should work now
[06:27] <Dr_willis> TetrisMaster,  i ran the cat-5 in the heater ducts. :P
[06:28] <SiRrUs> ?
[06:28] <hypa7ia> brilliant Dr_willis
[06:28] <TetrisMaster> hmm i dunno
[06:28] <Se7h> can anyone help me here?
[06:28] <TetrisMaster> its just a PCI
[06:29] <StoffBox-Stev1> can someone tell me a unpack tool for -.rar .zip that can handle multi-archives and rar 3 ?
[06:29] <bborkk> Se7h: Yes, but you've just used up one question.
[06:29] <Se7h> uh?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i think that unrar can handle multi-rars
[06:29] <Dr_willis> not sure about rar3
[06:29] <Se7h> yea
[06:29] <Se7h> it can
[06:30] <TetrisMaster> Dr willis: where could i find the chipset?
[06:30] <StoffBox-Stev1> i download it form the website but dont know how to install :S cant find it in the readmes
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs, hypa7ia: whats the problem with the new kernel ?
[06:30] <Se7h> oh no
[06:30] <Se7h> it cant
[06:30] <Se7h> sorry
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e6dA0D46.html - someone pelase help - its urgent...
[06:30] <Dr_willis> i just used 'apt-get install unrar' :P i think
[06:30] <dbjh> can anyone tell me how to install real one player in ubuntu
[06:31] <hypa7ia> StoffBox-Stev1: you want to look here: http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:31] <Dr_willis> dbjh,  i think thats in the "guide"
[06:31] <Se7h> StoffBox-Stev1 unrar-nonfree
[06:31] <dbjh> ok
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Dr_willis: apt-get install rar it is
[06:31] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: tried apt-get update?
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: yes.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> i think thers rar. and unrar.. :P time to an 'apt-cache search rar'
[06:31] <hypa7ia> shiz
[06:32] <bob2> you may need unrar-nonfree
[06:32] <pussfeller> what plays m4a's
[06:32] <bob2> but in the long-term it's better to find warez kiddies who have clue about compression and use rzip or such
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: xine, mplayer
[06:32] <hypa7ia> StoffBox-Stev1: for installing stuff, you might also like Synaptic, it's in one of the menus at the top left
[06:32] <Se7h> dam i cant figure why my movies dont make a sound
[06:32] <Dr_willis> bob2,  not sure there are many that have a clue about it. :P
[06:32] <StoffBox-Stev1> but ... why i try > sudo apt-get install rar ... it cant find a package that calls rar
[06:32] <pussfeller> what are they, da_bon_bon? windows. apple?
[06:32] <StoffBox-Stev1> why = when
[06:33] <bob2> StoffBox-Stev1: yes, the package is not called 'rar'
[06:33] <bob2> StoffBox-Stev1: it's called 'unrar'
[06:33] <bborkk> Is there an updated version of the wxpython2.4 package that has been modified for multi-version installations of wxPython?
[06:33] <StoffBox-Stev1> http://ubuntuguide.org <<< there it called rar
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: what are what ?
[06:33] <StoffBox-Stev1> unrar the same ...
[06:33] <hypa7ia> StoffBox-Stev1: you probably just need that
[06:34] <StoffBox-Stev1> nothing to find
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: xine and mplayer play everything
[06:34] <bob2> StoffBox-Stev1: you need to read that page again and enable universe.
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> wheres the overall xine config kept ?
[06:34] <StoffBox-Stev1> i know i need it .. wenn i try to unpack the files .. the error come up > unpack command not found
[06:34] <pussfeller> da_bon_bon, what are m4a's, i mean where do they come from and why are people using them
[06:35] <StoffBox-Stev1> universe is enable :(
[06:35] <SiRrUs> M4A is a file extension used to represent the popular new international audio standard called MPEG 4 Audio. M4A is the new replacement for the older MP3 audio
[06:35] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:35] <SiRrUs> amazing what google will do for you
[06:36] <da_bon_bon> pussfeller: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=M4A
[06:38] <bzbb> hmm
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e6dA0D46.html - someone pelase help - its urgent...
[06:39] <da_bon_bon>  also, everytime i try to dist-upgrade, it says some packages cudnt be authenticated, do u wanna continue ?
[06:39] <bzbb> lets say I wanted to download automaticaly a range of files from a website, where the url is  $string(sequence number).jpg?
[06:40] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon i just say yeppers
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: then it gives me the errors i pasted in the rafb link
[06:41] <SiRrUs> thats strange i dont get the errors
[06:41] <AcidWolf> anyone know how to change the domain name in Ubuntu
[06:41] <AcidWolf> root@acidwolf: <------- the acidwolf bit
[06:42] <stuNNed> AcidWolf: `echo whatever > /etc/hostname`
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> AcidWolf: echo WHATUWANT > /etc/hostname
[06:43] <AcidWolf> ty very much
[06:43] <AcidWolf> :)
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> ah, so no one has any idea about the fucking apt errors ?
[06:46] <AcidWolf> it didnt work
[06:46] <AcidWolf> :(
[06:47] <stuNNed> AcidWolf: how'd you test?
[06:47] <AcidWolf> i did the command
[06:47] <AcidWolf> then killed the terminal
[06:47] <AcidWolf> then opened it again
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> AcidWolf: u need to restart once
[06:47] <AcidWolf> oh
[06:48] <AcidWolf> *giggle*
[06:48] <AcidWolf> ty
[06:50] <bborkk> I think I found an intermittent bug with Firefox that causes a system freeze.
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> am i alive ? someone please reply..
[06:50] <bborkk> da_bon_bon: yes.
[06:51] <bborkk> The bug occurs when saving a webpage immediately after searching for and finding text.
[06:54] <AcidWolf> true or false , Yaboot puts Grub to shame
[06:54] <AcidWolf> and lilo for that matter
[06:55] <monkey89> I installed qc-usb-source and unpacked the tarball it gave me in /usr/src... is there a special debian way of compiling it?
[06:55] <monkey89> there's a subdir debian
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> ok
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> ok
[06:55] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: You use Ubuntu?
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: yeah =D you're the one who told me about it
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> it's sexi
[06:56] <Amaranth> oh yeah...
[06:56] <Amaranth> :D
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> I got cedega
[06:56] <BrianAnthony> and CS is installing
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> BrianAnthony: bittorrent ? :P
[06:57] <BrianAnthony> da_bon_bon: it was worth 15$ and not dealing with the bs =P
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> BrianAnthony: ah, ok..
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> win runs CS fine too
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> *wine
[07:00] <subterrific> polypaudio is so cool
[07:01] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: Using hoary?
[07:01] <ms988> Hello, everybody. Not very familiar with Linux, and having trouble setting up a printer. Is there anyone that can help?
[07:01] <subterrific> i've got it broadcasting sound to 3 different machines, all the audio is perfectly in sync
[07:01] <itga> Amaranth: Im trying
[07:02] <ms988> Heh, no one, really?
[07:03] <Amaranth> ms988: I don't have a printer, sorry.
[07:03] <ms988> Thanks anyway :)
[07:04] <mpq> I need help with my laptop
[07:04] <mpq> the touchpad doesn't work right
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> Amaranth: nah, I messed up and got warty instead =/
[07:05] <Amaranth> BrianAnthony: You have broadband, right?
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> Is it easy to upgrade without having to lose what I have set up already
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> yeah
[07:05] <Amaranth> Simple fix then.
[07:05] <BrianAnthony> 4.3mb
[07:05] <Amaranth> edit your /etc/apt/source.list file and replace warty with hoary
[07:05] <Amaranth> oh, and enable universe while you're in there
[07:06] <BrianAnthony> it already is enabled =)
[07:06] <Amaranth> then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, just like debian
[07:06] <BrianAnthony> I'm not gonna loase cedega er anything, am I?
[07:07] <Amaranth> i don't see why you would
[07:07] <zombics> what the name of the module of nvidia CK85 sound card?
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> where does xine store its global config file ?
[07:08] <Amaranth> da_bon_bon: I'd guess somewhere in /usr/etc/
[07:08] <Amaranth> Is there a xine dir in there?
[07:08] <mpq> my mouse doesn't work right
[07:08] <mpq> I need help with it
[07:08] <woodywarty> Hi Amaranth how are you ?
[07:08] <Amaranth> mpq: Sorry, I dunno.
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: no /usr/etc
[07:08] <Amaranth> mpq: Did you try googling for the solution?
[07:08] <mpq> I don't know the problem
[07:09] <mpq> I have no idea why it isn't working right
[07:09] <mpq> I wouldn't know what to search for
[07:09] <Amaranth> I'm going from memory here.
[07:09] <Amaranth> mpq: What kind of mouse is it?
[07:09] <mpq> a laptop touchpad
[07:09] <Amaranth> what kind of laptop?
[07:09] <woodywarty> Can somebody help me figure out why my Ubuntu PC is running so slow
[07:10] <mpq> it has an on/off button that turns off the touchpad for when you're typing or using an external mouse
[07:10] <mpq> but it doesn't turn off in linux
[07:10] <Amaranth> you want it to turn off?
[07:10] <mpq> yes
[07:10] <mpq> the button doesn't turn it off
[07:10] <Amaranth> err, does the external one work when you hook it up?
[07:10] <mpq> yes
[07:11] <mpq> the indicator light on the touchpad goes on and off when I press the button but nothing happens
[07:11] <Amaranth> I dunno, your laptop sounds dodgy.
[07:11] <Amaranth> most turn off the pad when you hook up a mouse automatically
[07:11] <Amaranth> what kind of laptop?
[07:11] <mpq> it's an HP
[07:11] <Amaranth> woodywarty: How fast is your computer?
[07:11] <Amaranth> mpq: What model?
[07:12] <mpq> pavilion ze4900
[07:12] <woodywarty> It's 450 MHz only
[07:12] <Amaranth> woodywarty: It's going to be slow then. If you really need speed use XFCE or something instead of GNOME.
[07:14] <Amaranth> mpq: I can't find anything on Google, sorry.
[07:16] <rubixXx> what up
[07:29] <AcidWolf> ok tht worked
[07:29] <AcidWolf> i changed the host name
[07:29] <AcidWolf> but now when i log in i get an error
[07:29] <AcidWolf> something to do with /etc/hosts
[07:29] <AcidWolf> so i guess something is looking for the old hostname
[07:29] <woodywarty> What's the difference between Linux and FreeBSD
[07:29] <Amaranth> everything
[07:30] <Amaranth> lmao, trolling
[07:30] <AcidWolf> :p
[07:30] <OrangeSlice> bsd is, uh, unix o_O
[07:30] <_jon_> hey can anybody help with installing nvidia drivers, i'm running hoary
[07:30] <Amaranth> +nvidia
[07:30] <UbuntuBot> nvidia is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:31] <AcidWolf> changed the hostname with echo sweatshop >/etc/hostname
[07:31] <_jon_> Amaranth: thanks, i'll take a look
[07:31] <AcidWolf> now when i log in a little screen jumps up and tells me that there is something wrong in /etc/hosts
[07:31] <AcidWolf> :(
[07:33] <woodywarty> Does somebody know the channel for FreeBSD ?
[07:33] <AcidWolf> your seriously asking that question
[07:33] <OrangeSlice> lol
[07:34] <_jon_> woodywarty: #freebsd, then try #noob as well
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> woodywarty: #freebsd
[07:34] <AcidWolf> yeah good idea
[07:34] <woodywarty> #freebsd does not work
[07:34] <AcidWolf> ok
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> woodywarty: will u change ur nick to woodyhoary when its released ?
[07:35] <_jon_> Amaranth: i read the page, but can't find the linux-restricted modules for the current kernel in hoart
[07:35] <woodywarty> Well I will
[07:35] <_jon_> s/hoart/hoary
[07:35] <OrangeSlice> you forgot singlequotes and -e >;0
[07:36] <bj_> hello
[07:36] <AcidWolf> can anyone help me with my hostname issue
[07:36] <bj_> gam_server
[07:36] <bj_> ?
[07:37] <AcidWolf> O_o
[07:37] <bj_> I'll ask when  veryone is awake
[07:38] <_jon_> bj_: it helps to actually as a question
[07:38] <_jon_> s/as/$1+k
[07:39] <BiteMeBill> woodywarty: http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/02.06.shtml
[07:42] <woodywarty> Thanks BiteMeBill
[07:42] <BiteMeBill> woodywarty: your welcome
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> is kde 3.4 in the repos ?
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> hoary
[07:45] <OrangeSlice> "apt-cache search kde"
[07:45] <KuroiShi> hypa7ia, still around?
[07:45] <bzbb> where is the best place to ask a stupidly simple c programming question
[07:45] <Teal`c> #c
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: no! openoffice.org and openoffice.org2 were two diff. packages. so i am assuming that kde3.4 have some other name
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> bzbb: /join #bzbb-c
[07:46] <OrangeSlice> hence the search
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: search ownt show package version. and search gives /hundreds/ of results
[07:47] <OrangeSlice> pipe it through grep ^^
[07:47] <bzbb> da_bon_bon, done
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> bzbb: well, u created the channel. so just wish to yourself that someone who has time to waste joins it and u ask him.. :D ;)
[07:47] <bzbb> hah hah hah
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: grep what ?
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> apt-cache search kde | grep "K Desktop Environment"
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> 6 results
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> that should do it
[07:49] <OrangeSlice> you can apt-cache info <package> to view specific information, including what version(s) are in the repository
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> er, not info... hell, what was it
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> show
[07:50] <OrangeSlice> apt-cache show <package>
[07:50] <BiteMeBill> apt-get -q <package>   ?
[07:52] <BiteMeBill> guess -q is for a different distro.
[07:53] <OrangeSlice> whoa, unicode
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> I haven't gotten that working in xchat yet :(
[07:54] <cafuego> typical
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> heh
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> guess I fixed his problem :p
[07:55] <bzbb> I just tried to build a 5 line c program and I get http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kq10JP21.html
[07:55] <bzbb> in hoary
[07:56] <bzbb> nm
[07:56] <Amaranth> Teal`c: ...
[07:56] <bzbb> I suck
[07:56] <KuroiShi> pass it over here Teal`c
[07:59] <ells> I have a question concerning Gtk
[07:59] <ells> anyone home
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> some of us were around a few minutes ago
[08:00] <KuroiShi> maybe
[08:00] <ells> I have a question concerning Gtk
[08:00] <OrangeSlice> You said that already
[08:00] <KuroiShi> ask your question and then we'll decide if we're around or not.  We're Schrodingers support channel.
[08:00] <Amaranth> Ooh, I know what the question is!
[08:00] <ells> well, do you thing you can help
[08:00] <ells> thanks
[08:01] <ells> this is what comes up
[08:01] <Amaranth> ells: Not unless you ask.
[08:01] <ells> Amaranth, hi how r u doing
[08:01] <zenrox> hello ells
[08:01] <ells> zenrox, what is up
[08:01] <zenrox> not much
[08:01] <ells> I am getting an error when I try to install dvdrip from source
[08:01] <zenrox> hahahaha
[08:01] <zenrox> ells why not get off the repos
[08:02] <ells> i tried, but it wont let me
[08:02] <_jon_> Amaranth: wht u mean? IRC != AIM
[08:02] <_jon_> hah
[08:02] <zenrox> lets diganose that errors its easer to fix
[08:02] <zenrox> ells
[08:02] <ells> zenrox, yes
[08:03] <ells> zenrox, do you want to see them
[08:03] <zenrox>  dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.14) but it is not going to be installed
[08:03] <zenrox>  <--it does this right
[08:03] <ells> yeap, that is what i get
[08:04] <OrangeSlice> I thought it was a Gtk question
[08:04] <_jon_> you need to add the marillat mirror
[08:04] <ells> can you give it to me, thought i already had it
[08:05] <zenrox> ells you can get it off of thw wiki
[08:05] <zenrox> thw-thw
[08:05] <zenrox> thw-the
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> nice
[08:05] <ells> zenrox, here is what i have for marillat, deb ftp://FTP.Nerim.Net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> ohh capitals
[08:05] <zenrox> ells ya thats it
[08:06] <zenrox>  you need all of them
[08:06] <ells> it wont let me get dvdrip with this
[08:06] <ells> okay
[08:06] <ells> how many marillat sources are there
[08:06] <zenrox> unstable stable and testing
[08:06] <zenrox> all same url and deb
[08:06] <GammaRay> in a makefile.. how do you tell it to not show a command, only the output?
[08:06] <ells> okay
[08:07] <ells> zenrox, do you have the exact url so I can get the sources
[08:07] <zenrox> ells that wont help any way
[08:07] <zenrox> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:07] <ells> zenrox, thanks
[08:07] <zenrox> just casue i get that error and i have thoes allready
[08:08] <Teal`c> anybody know how i stop nautilus from respawning in gnome ?
[08:08] <Amaranth> So it's "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"?
[08:08] <Teal`c> i just want the thing to die but it keeps loading back up.. i looked around gconf-editor but couldnt find much
[08:09] <zenrox> yes Amaranth
[08:09] <Amaranth> Teal`c: Um, nautilus handles drawing the desktop.
[08:09] <Teal`c> ya.. i'm fine with it not drawing it
[08:09] <OrangeSlice> lol
[08:10] <dbjh> how can see a file from windows media player in ubuntu?
[08:10] <Amaranth> +learn marillat is Put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" (without quotes) in your sources.list.
[08:10] <Teal`c> <-k6-3 400, 384 megs ram...  just not enough horseys to keep extra stuff like nautilus going
[08:11] <Amaranth> Teal`c: Use Xfce then.
[08:11] <OrangeSlice> or fluxbox
[08:11] <Teal`c> No.