[02:43] <grantbow> It was good to see folks at berkeleylug.com today - any thoughts on our blog entry? http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1180
[02:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [Berkeley Linux Users Group » Blog Archive » Choices]
[02:47] <grantbow> "The notions of "freedom" and choice are not as binary as they used to be when time sharing a machine in the 1960s and writing all your own software."


[11:41] <mup> Bug #2018476 opened: Postgres deprecation notice does not give upgrade instructions <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2018476>


[09:12] <rabidsnail> In the installer, how do I drop to a shell?
[09:19] <raky> i'm new to amd.  what are the diff versions of "installer-amd64" in the ubuntu archives?  is amd a work-in-progress?
[09:20] <raky> oh, i see i386 hs the same, n/m
[09:24] <soren> raky: Press Alt-F2 :)
[09:25] <soren> raky: Sorry, not for you :)
[09:25] <soren> rabidsnail: Press Alt-F2 :)
[09:25] <rabidsnail> thanks
[01:38] <m11> hi all
[01:39] <kgoetz> hi
[01:39] <m11> hi kgoetz
[01:40] <m11> i am having little problem in setting up ssl with apache in ubuntu
[01:41] <kgoetz> hm. not able to help ou myself
[01:41] <m11> ok , tnx :)
[02:08] <spiekey> hi
[02:11] <spiekey> how can i get rid of this?: slapd[4498] : OTP unavailable because can't read/write key database /etc/opiekeys: No such file or directory
[02:11] <spiekey> i dont have or want one time passwords
[02:45] <pmj0383> i have some general questions regarding the best way to setup a user for ftp, editing the website, etc
[02:45] <pmj0383> anyone good with that stuff?
[02:47] <pmj0383> :/
[02:47] <kgoetz> pmj0383: ask your question, if someone can help they willl reply
[02:47] <kgoetz> and you might have to wait a while
[02:48] <pmj0383> its a few questions really, ill just say what I want: I create my website on one machine, I want a user account with no priviledges to anything else besides ftp'ing and transferring the website over
[02:49] <pmj0383> so should I give this account ownership of apache's DocumentRoot?
[02:49] <pmj0383> and is there any way to not let the account see anything else besides that
[03:47] <m12> hi all
[03:48] <kgoetz> wb
[03:48] <m12> hey :)
[03:48] <kgoetz> make sure yo dont clone to much. freenode will ban you if you connect 3 or 4 times from one address
[03:48] <m12> i c
[03:48] <m12> tnx for tip
[03:49] <m12> kgoetz , can u help with network interfaces ?
[03:50] <m12> i have some strange behaviour, i can ping my router but i cant get out
[03:50] <m12> hi ivoks
[03:50] <kgoetz> m12: i can try
[03:50] <ivoks> hi all
[03:50] <kgoetz> ivoks: hey mate
[03:51] <m12> when i ping router on 1.1 it reply , but when i ping google.com it says: unkown host
[03:51] <m12> i have same setup on his laptop as on server and it works ok
[03:51] <kgoetz> m12: if you run `host google.com` do you get a reply?
[03:51] <kgoetz> if not look at /etc/resolv.conf
[03:52] <m12> says connection timed out
[03:52] <m12> ok i check
[03:52] <ivoks> anyone has any experience with ldirectord?
[03:53] <m12> /etc/resolv.conf is empty
[03:53] <kgoetz> ivoks: sorry, not me
[03:53] <kgoetz> m12: thats your problem
[03:53] <kgoetz> you cant do dns lookups
[03:53] <kgoetz> ivoks: whats your router (1.1)?
[03:54] <ivoks> router?
[03:54] <kgoetz> er, sorry ivoks , that was to m12
[03:54] <ivoks> :)
[03:54] <kgoetz> :$
[03:55] <m12> 1.1
[03:56] <m12> ok i edited resolv.conf and is working now
[03:56] <m12> tnx kgoetz
[03:56] <m12> was thinking somthing went wrong with wlan card
[03:57] <kgoetz> m12: np
[03:57] <kgoetz> m12: if your using dhcp, thats a bad thing (empty resolv.conf) if you did it static, its probably to be exptected
[03:58] <m12> kgoetz , on install i had only wlan card in so it didnt setup network on install
[03:58] <kgoetz> m12: oh right.
[04:00] <m12> one more question, when i do update n upgrade, why it leaves new kernel out of it and i have to install it manually  ?
[04:00] <ivoks> dist-upgrade it
[04:00] <ivoks> upgrade never installs new packages
[04:00] <kgoetz> m12: dist-upgrade, upgrade is... crud
[04:00] <ivoks> dist-upgrade installs new packages, if needed
[04:00] <kgoetz> ^^^
[04:00] <m12> i c, tnx guys :)
[04:01] <kgoetz> btw, apt-get is officaly depreciated as package mangement... your *meant* to use aptitiude
[04:01] <kgoetz> fwiw, i never do (hate the tool)
[04:09] <m12> ivoks , we talked other night for croatian language and keyboard on server, do you know workaround for that problem ?
[04:10] <ivoks> m12: use english layout :)
[04:10] <m12> damn :/
[04:11] <m12> i cant even do lsmod |
[04:12] <m12> there goes my wlan
[04:12] <m12> never buy dlink usb wlan adapter
[04:13] <kgoetz> never buy anyting usb if you can help it
[04:14] <m12> :)
[04:14] <kgoetz> :)
[04:55] <spiekey> how can i get rid of this?: slapd[4498] : OTP unavailable because can't read/write key database /etc/opiekeys: No such file or directory
[04:55] <spiekey> i dont have or want one time passwords
[05:45] <nealmcb> ajmitch: where is fds on alioth?
[05:47] <nealmcb> Is it "Linux Active Directory Replacement"?  http://alioth.debian.org/projects/ladr/  "This project's administrator will have to grant you permission to view this page."
[05:48] <nealmcb> Re: Status: New => Fix Released  for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315297
[05:48] <ubotu> Debian bug 315297 in wnpp "ITP: fedora-directory-server -- An LDAP server designed to manage large directories of users and resources" [Wishlist,Open]
[06:13] <Yahooadam> im having problems with the ubuntu fiesty server install CD
[06:13] <Yahooadam> warning:
[06:13] <Yahooadam> file:///cdrom/pool/main/l/langpack-locales/locales_2.3.23_all.deb was corrupt
[06:13] <Yahooadam> ive re-downloaded the image and reburnt it, with the same problem
[06:14] <kgoetz> check the CD image
[06:16] <Yahooadam> the ./pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-15-server-bigron_2.6.20-15.27_i386.deb file failed the md5 checksum verification
[06:17] <Yahooadam> download it again ?
[06:17] <Yahooadam> (the cd that is)
[06:19] <kgoetz> Yahooadam: boot the cdrom, and use theverify cdrom
[06:19] <kgoetz> or similar name
[06:19] <kgoetz> see if it fails
[06:19] <Yahooadam> i did, i got that error
[06:19] <Yahooadam> hmm
[06:21] <Yahooadam> wheres the MD5 checksum for the iso image ?
[06:21] <kgoetz> on the cd is a file with teh md5sums of all othe rfiles
[06:22] <Yahooadam> so theres no way to check the md5 of the iso image before i burn it ?
[06:23] <kgoetz> run md5sum <isoname.is.o>
[06:23] <kgoetz> and compare it to the md5sum file in the website you got the iso from
[06:25] <Yahooadam> kk got it :)
[06:27] <kgoetz> :)
[06:31] <Yahooadam> well my iso MD5's ok
[06:31] <Yahooadam> so guess its my burner
[06:32] <kgoetz> Yahooadam: put the cdrom in the drive, then md5sum the crom devicd
[06:38] <Yahooadam> cant do that on winblows :p
[06:38] <Yahooadam> and my other linux machine is currently missing its screen and keyboard for my server :p
[06:39] <kgoetz> :(
[06:45] <Yahooadam> reburnt on my other cd burner and it passed the cd's check .....
[06:45] <kgoetz> :D
[07:19] <Yahooadam> install linux, install ssh
[07:19] <Yahooadam> :p
[08:22] <Yahooadam> sigh
[08:22] <Yahooadam> why when i do sudo shutdown now on ubuntu server does it go
[08:22] <Yahooadam> will now switch to single-users mode
[08:22] <Yahooadam> root@myserver:~#
[08:25] <asisak> Yahooadam: does it display some error messages?
[08:27] <Yahooadam> i dont think so, gimmie 5 while i start it up again :p
[08:27] <Yahooadam> doing sudo shutdown -r now works fine
[08:47] <Yahooadam> no errors atall
[08:47] <Yahooadam> a load of lines saying what its closing, followed by [Ok]
[08:47] <Yahooadam> then it says "will now switch to single-user mode"
[08:47] <Yahooadam> and then i get a terminal prompt
[10:27] <osmosis> hi
[10:27] <osmosis> im playing with xen today
[10:48] <nealmcb> Yahooadam: to halt, you probably want "shutdown -h now"  Consider "reboot" also.
[10:55] <Yahooadam> ah maybe thats my problem :p


[03:43] <csquid> Just updated to 17.10 and I'm having a lot of wayland issues that I don't have time to sort out.  Does anyone know where to permanently change back to xord?
[03:43] <csquid> xorg*
[04:08] <Astro7467> @csquid: a quick google search should reveal. I understand this is a general Ubuntu issue and not Ubuntu MATE specific
[04:09] <Astro7467> @csquid try this ; https://itsfoss.com/switch-xorg-wayland/
[04:10] <Lengsdorfer> csquid, https://itsfoss.com/switch-xorg-wayland/
[04:14] <csquid> thanks, i'll check it out
[11:03] <moataz> hi all
[11:03] <moataz> guys i need help !
[11:05] <moataz> hello
[11:05] <Astro7467> !ask
[11:05] <moataz> does any1 already here ?
[11:05] <moataz> guys i just installed the mate but my main partition doesn't showed
[11:06] <moataz> thanks ubottu
[11:07] <Astro7467> moataz: you need to be more specific - install where and how (dual boot, VM, etc) , and what 'main partition.
[11:07] <Astro7467> More info, the better someone can advise
[11:33] <moataz> i made my swap and my / for the mate and for the rest size of the disk as /home but i cant find it and its totally hidden
[11:39] <moataz> so how to show the /home partition if its not showen
[11:47] <Astro7467> It shld to be auto mounted at /home
[11:47] <Astro7467> Use 'df' (disk free) for a list of partitions and mount points
[12:06] <luckynkc> hello all and thanks for letting me in im very new to linux znd ubuntu
[12:56] <moataz> omg sorry so /home its looking as folder its the partition :D
[12:57] <moataz> Astro thanks alot mate
[12:57] <moataz> guys how can i change my username please!
[13:12] <Astro7467> If system is new, easier to create a new user in system control panel
[13:13] <Astro7467> Be sure to tick that they are admin/sudo user
[13:23] <moataz> so can i do it with commands lines?
[13:25] <Astro7467> To change, and keep everything neat requires a few commands/changes - not easy eg change user name user1 to user2, their home folder will still be /home/user1
[13:26] <Astro7467> To create new user look at the adduser cmd
[16:48] <LyzardKing> Hi! I'm the current maintaner for ubuntu-make. The ppa listed in the software boutique is not active any more, but there's a new (daily build) one. Where should I make the change?
[16:49] <nemo> LyzardKing: I don't *think* any mate devs hang out here...
[16:49] <LyzardKing> nemo: the name tricked me I guess...
[16:50] <nemo> LyzardKing: well. this is more about ubuntu specific issues ☺
[16:50] <nemo> LyzardKing: #mate-dev is probably what you want according to ALIS
[16:50] <LyzardKing> nemo: I thought that the mate welcome and boutique were ubuntu-mate only...
[16:51] <nemo> LyzardKing: hm.  the channel topic sure seems to suggest this is entirely about ubuntu-mate.org
[16:51] <nemo> but dunno. I've been hanging out here for weeks. can't even remember what I initially came to ask about
[16:51] <nemo> and the only activity I've seen is people looking for support
[16:51] <nemo> often generic ubuntu support or generic mate
[16:51] <nemo> which is why I stayed ☺
[16:51] <nemo> LyzardKing: so. you might be here a while 😉
[16:52] <nemo> I actually only came by 'cause someone in the #mate support channel thought this place might be more active (it wasn't)
[16:52] <LyzardKing> the welcome program says that the ubuntu-mate team is on this channel...oh well...
[16:52] <DarkPsydeLord> and they are :D
[16:52] <nemo> omg
[16:53] <nemo> waddaya know
[16:53] <nemo> man wish I could remember what my question was
[16:53] <DarkPsydeLord> hahah it is active but everyone have several duties to achieve
[16:53] <DarkPsydeLord> and most people is impatient
[16:53] <DarkPsydeLord> lawl
[16:54] <LyzardKing> DarkPsydeLord: That's what I imagined ;)
[16:54] <nemo> eh I've seen questions sit here for hours before people quit 😝
[16:54] <LyzardKing> I'll stick around then...no rush! :)
[16:55] <nemo> oh. I know one question I had that was ubuntu specific
[16:55] <nemo> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_an_Ubuntu_Xenial_installation  ←  how hard is it to do this for MATE instead of XFCE
[16:57] <DarkPsydeLord> well will be easier if you use arch for instance and build your own from scratch
[16:57] <DarkPsydeLord> i kind of hate systemd also
[16:58] <DarkPsydeLord> so openrc + arch is a good combo
[16:58] <nemo> DarkPsydeLord: well. I have a ton of gentoo systems
[16:58] <nemo> DarkPsydeLord: my transition plan for the debian ones is devuan
[16:58] <nemo> DarkPsydeLord: but... ubuntu has some rather slick user interfaces
[16:58] <nemo> the PPAs are nice...
[16:59] <nemo> and advantage of debian in general is a ton of users which means bugs in specific builds get caught early
[16:59] <nemo> never got into arch personally *shrug*
[17:01] <DarkPsydeLord> LyzardKing, did you tried the g+ group of fb for fast response? also tried to contact any of the team using the links on the webpage?
[17:01] <LyzardKing> I just opened a pull request, but I think I need to change two repos, since the new version of the boutique is not active yet (I believe)
[17:02] <DarkPsydeLord> also whatever happened to "matey" i miss the bot
[17:03] <nemo> hm. my domain would be perfect for that ☺
[17:03] <nemo> (I registered m8y.org like... 2 decades ago)
[17:04] <DarkPsydeLord> is it working still?}
[17:04] <nemo> sure
[17:04] <nemo> http://☠.m8y.org
[17:04] <nemo> (silliness)
[17:05] <DarkPsydeLord> Nice FSM is proud of ya!
[17:05] <sixwheeledbeast> There is MATE in devuan repos with systemd removed so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for Ubuntu.
[17:05] <nemo> sixwheeledbeast: yeah, was just wondering how hard it was
[17:05] <nemo> sixwheeledbeast: whether I could just use one of their .debs
[17:06] <nemo> or if something special would be involved
[17:06] <sixwheeledbeast> No idea but it would be ideal for me too. I was going to try but never had the time.
[17:06] <nemo> DarkPsydeLord: 😃
[17:06] <nemo> sixwheeledbeast: well. most of my machines are still on 14.04
[17:07] <nemo> sixwheeledbeast: for my SO's it isn't just about systemd... she uses 7th String and just getting that to work on 14.04 was a pain
[17:08] <DarkPsydeLord> what 14.04? 17.10 is amazing
[17:08] <DarkPsydeLord> or thats what i've heard
[17:08] <DarkPsydeLord> i do not own a computer now xD
[17:08]  * nemo shrugs
[17:09] <nemo> 16.04 and later all corrupted my coworker's computer until he installed 14.04 - I mean. literally corrupted HD every time he closed the lid
[17:09] <nemo> PPAs get me stuff I actually care about
[17:09] <nemo> have no incentive to change just yet
[17:09] <nemo> but when I do it'll be devuan unless I can get systemd reliably removed + MATE
[17:10] <sixwheeledbeast> same
[17:20] <DarkPsydeLord> omg
[17:20] <DarkPsydeLord> got dced
[17:20] <DarkPsydeLord> actually connection flushed from the server
[21:52] <Burazen> I borked my ubuntu mate installation help
[21:53] <Burazen> I had trouble getting bumblebee working so i wanted to start from scratch
[21:53] <Burazen> did apt remove nvidia*
[21:53] <Burazen> restarted
[21:54] <Burazen> Everything worked fine
[21:54] <Burazen> Installed latest nvidia driver via GUI "Additional drivers"
[21:55] <Burazen> Now when i turn on my pc i get UMate logo with loading dots and after that the screen just goes black


[00:00] <robinabo> yay, so far so good for switching to lubuntu
[06:08] <frank_> Will there be any errors if I install LXDE on my Ubuntu Natty installation? My CPU was running too hot because of Unity and I want to try LXDE to see if that will make it run cooler. Any word on this?
[06:11] <maraz> well, if you're certain it was indeed Unity that was eating up your CPU, then yes, LXDE might be a solution. however, attempting to fix a hardware problem (insufficient CPU cooling) with a software change is kind of the Apple way of doing things.
[06:13] <frank_> as soon as I switched to classic GNOME my fan stopped spinning loudly
[06:13] <frank_> and the temp is now okay and I heard LXDE is much better
[06:15] <frank_> what about all those RAM eating deamons.... will they disappear if I switch to LXDE?
[06:17] <maraz> probably not
[06:17] <head_victim> Depends on what you're running, if you're still running all the same programs it might not change a lot other than the DE overhead
[06:18] <maraz> you should take a good look at your processes while running Unity and see if there are any single ones that use too much cpu
[06:19] <frank_> I wanted to install Lubuntu but it currently doesnt have an alternative install CD
[06:21] <maraz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[06:22] <frank_> now it does! ?
[06:22] <maraz> heh, maybe you just didn't look hard enough ;)
[06:23] <frank_> wait... can I do full disk encryption with it? That's the whole point
[06:32] <bioterror> how can CPU run too hot becouse of unity as it uses GPU ;)
[06:33] <maraz> frank_: did you actually check that it was the Unity binary using too much CPU and not something else?
[06:41] <bioterror> ubuntu does not support full system encryption
[06:41] <bioterror> only home folder encryption
[06:41] <bioterror> as far as I iknow
[06:43] <jmarsden> bioterror: Per filesystem  crypto has been around for a very long time in Ubuntu.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystems
[06:43] <jmarsden> The per home directory stuff is *newer* :)
[06:44] <bioterror> and smarter
[06:45] <jmarsden> bioterror: Not smarter if you are concerned about people reading data out of your swap partition, etc... :)  Each user makes their own decision on what level of security vs ease of use tradeoffs they want to make.
[06:45] <bioterror> dont make swap then!
[06:45] <jmarsden> Assuming that your own priorities and security needs are the same as every other Ubuntu user is probably a bad idea.
[06:47] <jmarsden> bioterror: If you are unaware of why someone might want full disk encryption, you should *definitely* not be telling people that Ubuntu can't do it...
[06:51] <bioterror> it's not by default
[06:51] <bioterror> the default way is home drive encryption
[06:51] <bioterror> and that's okay, as people seems to have difficulties even to chroot into system without encryption
[06:51] <bioterror> right?
[06:52] <jmarsden> Full disk encryption is not for the average end user.  But it does exist, and for some people it is important.  SO telling them it doesn't exist is a bad idea :)
[06:52] <bioterror> where did I say it does not exist?
 ubuntu does not support full system encryption
[06:52] <bioterror> I just said it does not support as in it's not there by default
[06:53] <bioterror> home folder encryption yes
[06:53] <jmarsden> Huh?  Home dir crypto is not enabled by default either.
[06:53] <bioterror> you have that option when you install?
[06:53] <jmarsden> That is not "by default", you have to take a specific step if you want it.
[06:53] <bioterror> http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous.com/temp-2010-07-05/vqJzzcFCDEokakgaHzohHACtAxazInAJsDHstzicmdGdJfGpsqpfifhbDoqE/Ubuntu_HomeFolderEncryption_Linux-Mag.com.jpg.scaled1000.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJFZAE65UYRT34AOQ&Expires=1307944727&Signature=dO4uNnbd4ETsYK%2FvP4LUuBPGaQc%3D
[06:54] <bioterror> http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/20ubuntu/passwordprotect108_sm.png better picture
[06:54] <jmarsden> You are telling me the checkbox is checked *by* *default* ???
[06:54] <jmarsden> I have never seen that.
[06:54] <bioterror> did I say that?
[06:55] <bioterror> are you now inserting words into my mouth?
[06:55] <jmarsden> You said "as it it's not there by default" followed by "home folder encryption yes".  I.E., you said home folder encryption is there by default.  It is not, you have to specifically enable it.
[06:56] <bioterror> you're such a waste of energy
[06:56] <jmarsden> I'm simply pointing out what you said.
[06:58] <frank_> Of course Whole Disk Encryption exists for Ubuntu through LUKS
[06:58] <frank_> I am using that right now
[06:58] <frank_> I used the alternative CD to achieve it
[06:58] <jmarsden> Exactly my point.
 ubuntu does not support full system encryption
[06:59] <frank_> that statement is wrong
[06:59] <jmarsden> Appears to be somewhat incorrect, in the light of that.  Anyway... now we are clear what Ubuntu can do, let's move on.
[06:59] <frank_> obviously
[07:01] <frank_> my question is can I achieve Whole Disk Encryption on Lubuntu with the alternative install CD?
[07:02] <frank_> This one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[07:03] <jmarsden> There is no Lubuntu Alternative CD, so yes, the Ubuntu one will do it, and as long as you install all the appropriate packages and then install lubuntu-desktop to get Lubuntu, it should do the right thing.
[07:03] <frank_> What about this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[07:03] <frank_> is that not an alternative CD?
[07:03] <jmarsden> Yes, but it is not an Lubuntu alternative CD :)
[07:03] <jmarsden> It is the normal Ubuntu one.
[07:04] <frank_> are you sure?
[07:04] <jmarsden> Or the normal Ubuntu minimal install one.
[07:04] <jmarsden> Yes.  I wrote the script that generates the Lubuntu ISOs.  It does not generate an alternate installer.
[07:05] <jmarsden> Well, there may be an older alternate Lubuntu CD... there is none for 11.04.
[07:05] <frank_> I see
[07:06] <frank_> so now that I got GNOME and full disk encryption can I install LXDE without getting errors?
[07:06] <jmarsden> The mini iso documented on that page is the standard Ubuntu one. m https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall links to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[07:07] <jmarsden> I don't see why not, the DE should not care about the underlying LUKS stuff as far as I know.  But I have not tried it :)
[07:07] <frank_> not LUKS errors.. but LXDE errors
[07:07] <frank_> and more bloat
[07:08] <jmarsden> What would make LXDE even know that LUKS exists?
[07:08] <jmarsden> If you were starting from scratch I'd suggest using the mini.iso and then installing lubuntu-desktop, to avoid having all the GNOEM stuff around that you don't need.
[07:09] <frank_> Can I follow this guide safely? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[07:09] <jmarsden> If linux can boot from a LUKS encrypted boot and root partition, then LXDE can run on top of that; at least, as far as I know.
[07:10] <frank_> Yeah, I understand that.
[07:10] <jmarsden> No idea on those removal commands, I'd have to look through them in detail to see what they remove.
[07:10] <jmarsden> as long as they don't kill anything LUKS/crypto related, you should be fine to use them.
[07:11] <frank_> I think they just remove GNOME stuff not kernel stuff
[07:11] <jmarsden> Looks like it, but very hard to read in a one line horizontally scrolling box :)
[07:13] <jmarsden> Oddly, those commands remove things like gcc and gcc-4.5 ... which I do not remember being installed by default in Ubuntu...
[07:13] <frank_> let me check
[07:13] <jmarsden> And which are clearly not GNOME-specific.
[07:13] <frank_> I have a fresh install
[07:15] <frank_> yes, they are installed
[07:15] <jmarsden> Hmmm, interesting, I wonder what led to that.  OK.
[07:16] <frank_> default ubuntu stuff i guess
[07:17] <frank_> so can I do it safely?
[07:18] <jmarsden> Looks like it to me; but you should have backups anyway... right?
[07:18] <frank_> yes
[07:18] <jmarsden> Then I'd say go for it.
[07:18] <frank_> alright... here it goes
[10:47] <leszek> hi
[11:09] <elros> hi
[17:02] <rashthedude> how can I start the GUI desktop?
[17:03] <rashthedude> tried, startx....not working
[17:03] <elros> startlxde?
[17:03] <rashthedude> ah, ok
[17:03] <elros> startlubuntu
[17:03] <bioterror> startlubuntu is correct
[17:03] <bioterror> as it performs some MAGIC ;)
[17:04] <phillw-virtual> drat, beeten to it :P
[17:04] <elros> \o/
[17:04] <rashthedude> so 'startlubuntu' is the correct command?
[17:04] <phillw-virtual> rashthedude: +1
[17:05] <rashthedude> phillw-virtual didnt quite get that
[17:06] <phillw> startlubuntu is the correct one (+1 means some agrees)
[17:06] <phillw> *someone*
[17:06] <rashthedude> lol, ok
[18:18] <rashthedude> so lubuntu has everything ubuntu comes with apart from the window manager?
[18:19] <bioterror> and different default applications
[18:19] <bioterror> the base is same, candy on the top is different
[18:19] <rashthedude> different default applications?
[18:19] <rashthedude> what is missing in particular?
[18:20] <bioterror> no openoffice/libreoffice
[18:20] <bioterror> no rhythmbox, and so on
[18:20] <rashthedude> ah ok
[18:20] <rashthedude> ubuntu one?
[18:21] <pcman> jmarsden: hi
[18:21] <pcman> gilir: hi
[18:22] <gilir> hi pcman
[18:43] <Ahmuck> 10.04 LTS for lubuntu is supported?
[19:03] <elros> lubuntu 10.04 is techinically not an LTS, but the devs have a PPA that includes important updates
[19:11] <elros> Ahmuck: you can expect that there are security updates to common desktop applications (firefox, thunderbird & other apps that come with ubuntu) for 36 months, kernel updates for 60 months
[19:12] <elros> the PPA includes updates to lxde / lubuntu applications, most notably pcmanfm, support is unofficial
[19:34] <bioterror> it's treated as LTS becouse of support for i586 platforms
[20:04] <bioterror> hmmmm
[20:05] <bioterror> titia@konna:~$ ls -la /usr/bin/gksudo
[20:05] <bioterror> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-11-06 13:21 /usr/bin/gksudo -> gksu
[20:05] <bioterror> :D
[20:05]  * bioterror TIL gksudo == gksu
[20:11] <elros> I just figured out a hundred nerd jokes regarding symlinks :)
[20:41] <uris> I just installed lubuntu on an HP nx7400 laptop. But the menu when I login only shows 'Run' and 'Logout'
[20:41] <uris> how can I fix this?


[11:13] <sakrecoer> catbadger: lmms is closer to fruity loops than hyrdogen
[11:13] <sakrecoer> catbadger: hydrogen is mainly a drum-machine realy...
[11:14] <sakrecoer> catbadger: but i guess you can load other samples than drum samples in it... though lmms will probably be better suited for manipulating samples chormaticaly..
[11:16] <sakrecoer> catbadger: another sequencer that is nice for midi is qmidiarp... for some reason, it doesn't show in the menu.. (Thought we had fixed that) but you can start it from a terminal by typing: qmidiarp
[11:16] <sakrecoer> catbadger: it's fairly different from lmms... but its a handy tool for simple midi loops if you use softsynths..
[11:17] <sakrecoer> it also acts as arpegiator and midi-LFO
[15:05] <catbadger> @sajrecier thank you
[15:06] <catbadger> @sakrecoer thank you
[15:06] <catbadger> cool
[15:06] <catbadger> cool
[15:07] <catbadger> yeah lmms is what i was looking for. does it work with any VST, or are they specific to LMMS?
[15:27]  * catbadger is at work so will be on and off today


[12:06] <dupondje> anyone around here ?
[12:06] <dupondje> :)
[12:06] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/3462415 daily built went stuck again
[14:46]  * dupondje waves
[14:46] <dupondje> nobody around ?
[16:19] <FernandoMiguel> If you look at a clock and the time is 3:15, what is the angle between the hour and the minute hands? (The answer to this is not zero!)


[00:38] <LukasB> Hello everybody! I am coming from WIndows and would like to update a particular application in ubuntu my first time. Can anybody guide me through please?
[00:39] <LukasB> It downloaded the source code as I was told already, but now i am not sure, what to do with it. Got some install instructions, but I dont know if it is the same for a simple update...
[00:40] <LukasB> application is filezilla <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:42] <seidos> did you install filezilla through synpatic?
[00:43] <LukasB> Filezilla was the first application I installed, so I just went to its website and downloaded the version for linux. After I realised, there was a Ubuntu Software Centre, I opened it and put filezilla in the search bar, where I found Filezilla and clicked install...
[00:44] <seidos> ah, so you want a different version than is currently available in the repositories?
[00:46] <LukasB> Its a bit funny, because it is only two days ago and it downloaded 3.3.3. Now I have trouble with filezilla and I checked if there was an update and I detected <IP_ADDRESS>. No idea why it didn't download it in the first place... but i hope it solves my problem...
[00:47] <LukasB> So when I go to filezilla, I go to the menu bar and 'check for updates' and it tells me there is <IP_ADDRESS> and i should download the source code from their website... I did that and received a folder... I not to sure what to do with it...
[00:47] <seidos> you'll have to download the source and compile it
[00:48] <LukasB> compile?
[00:49] <LukasB> the words my dictionary puts out seem to be out of context... I dont know what that is ;)
[00:49] <seidos> yeah, if you downloaded the source
[00:49] <seidos> there should be a readme or something in the directory that has the source code
[00:50] <seidos> they only way i can think that would work is ./configure make and make install
[00:51] <LukasB> ah yeah it comes with an install file and has instructions in it...
[00:51] <seidos> oh, was i right then?
[00:51] <LukasB> yeah thank you :)
[00:51] <seidos> hopefully it fixes your problem.  otherwise you could try gftp :)
[00:52] <LukasB> so it says I have to execute ./autogen.sh first, if i dont have a source distribution... how do i know?
[00:53] <LukasB> maybe I just put it in and see what happens... it says it is not 'necessary' but it doesnt say i must not do it
[00:54] <seidos> never executed an autogen.sh
[00:54] <seidos> try it without it, see what happens i guess
[00:55] <seidos> compiling isn't easy though, dependencies can be a problem.
[00:55] <seidos> hmmm, this is more of a development question
[00:57] <seidos> filezilla has there own channel.  you can ask about compiling there.  are you already hooked up with your ubuntu user group?
[00:57] <seidos> that's probably also a good resource
[00:58] <LukasB> if I execute ./autogen.sh, do I have to write './autogen.sh' in the terminal or do I have to add a command like 'execute?
[00:59] <seidos> just ./autogen.sh should do it
[01:00] <LukasB> "No such file or directory"
[01:01] <seidos> screen shot :)
[01:01] <LukasB> for you?
[01:01] <seidos> no, for you
[01:02] <LukasB> okay what do I do with it? ;)
[01:02] <seidos> well, you may need to set the autogen.sh as executable
[01:02] <seidos> sudo chmod +x autoge<tab> should do it
[01:04] <LukasB> Okay... a bit further up it says, a few tools need to be installed if I want to compile filezilla 3... I skipped that before, because I was assuming I have them anyway, cause I have 3.3.3... Maybe I check those
[01:05] <seidos> you can do sudo apt-get build-dep filezilla
[01:05] <seidos> of course, those dependencies may not work
[01:05] <seidos> i don't know, what's going on?!
[01:05] <LukasB> sorry if I confuse you...
[01:05] <seidos> i was joking around :P
[01:06] <seidos> it's not your fault, computers are confusing ;)
[01:07] <LukasB> okay it says for filezilla 3 I need GCC, GNU make, GNU gettext. I thought I must have them already, because I have filezilla 3.3.3. But when I put those in the search bar of my software centre, they are not displayed... Not installed and not for install
[01:08] <seidos> we are beyond software centre dude
[01:08] <seidos> you are trying to compile something from source
[01:08] <seidos> you can run build-dep command that mentioned earlier
[01:09] <LukasB> okay I will do that ;) So what is the best way to find out if I have those tools?
[01:09] <seidos> best way?  i dunno
[01:09] <LukasB> put but instead of so
[01:09] <seidos> but or so, i still don't know
[01:10] <seidos> i guess try to compile
[01:10] <seidos> if it fails
[01:10] <seidos> search for the dependencies in synaptic
[01:10] <seidos> but, build-dep will do that anyway
[01:10] <LukasB> okay build-deptis doing something :)
[01:10] <seidos> perhaps you should just try gftp :)
[01:11] <seidos> was is the problem, anyway?
[01:12] <LukasB> I try to change files using filezilla... It says I dont have permisson and denies access... So I asked somebody far away for help, he accessed in filezilla into the same account and he says he can change everything, so I have no idea, what the problem could be...
[01:13] <seidos> maybe it's your account
[01:13] <LukasB> So this account always worked with filezilla...
[01:13] <seidos> change files "how"?
[01:13] <LukasB> but we used the same account and it worked for him
[01:14] <LukasB> just view, change them and overwrite... but I can't load up new files, too
[01:14] <seidos> try gftp
[01:14] <seidos> it's easier
[01:14] <seidos> sudo apt-get install gftp
[01:17] <LukasB> okay, but i quickly tell you what happened: Terminal started installation and put out heaps of information running over my screen so I was happy. No it stopped and it says: "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? E: Failed to process build dependencies"
[01:18] <LukasB> running your command now...
[01:18] <seidos> what version ubuntu?
[01:20] <LukasB> Ubuntu 10.10
[01:20] <LukasB> the Maverick Meerkat :):):):) :D
[01:21] <LukasB> :D just checked translation...
[01:22] <LukasB> so yeah I executed your command and it finished
[01:23] <LukasB> apt-get install gftp
[01:36] <LukasB> Does anybody know, where to find the package manager>
[01:37] <seidos> system > preferences > synaptic package manager maybe what you're looking for
[01:38] <LukasB> thank you i found it
[02:14] <LukasB> Thank you seidos...
[02:14] <LukasB> I checked Filezilla <IP_ADDRESS> in Windows, what I should have done earlier and this wont solve my problem...
[02:15] <LukasB> seidos: Okay Im off for now... THank you for your help!
[11:07]  * xAndromeda pokes head in
[11:07] <xAndromeda> anybody here?  I need to check if a specific bug has been fixed.
[13:25] <bioterror> there's two ways
[13:25] <bioterror> or actually three
[13:25] <bioterror> you can compile it yourself from kernel.org
[13:26] <bioterror> or you can add kernel team ppa to your ubuntu and install with apt-get, or you can grab just those two files needed from the site and use dpkg
[13:26] <bioterror> I dunno what you mean by the latest
[14:07] <raubvogel> If I have a bunch of ubuntu boxes, what is the easiest way to keep track of which packages/versions are in each machine and do centralized upgrading?
[14:08] <bioterror> keep them in same same version?
[14:09] <raubvogel> Well, not necessarily: servers are running LTS and desktops the latest version
[14:09] <raubvogel> But it would be nice to choose not to upgrade a given machine as needed
[15:27]  * xAndromeda pokes head in again
[15:27] <xAndromeda> the cpu applet on my pannel
[15:27] <xAndromeda> wont let me change my clock speed anymore
[15:27] <xAndromeda> already did the reconfigure thingy
[15:28] <xAndromeda> dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets
[16:01] <KinkyPinkie> as a preferable: do I download the deb specified for 64bit or do I download a tar.gz wich is marked as executable with no installation required ?
[16:02] <raju> .deb
[16:03] <KinkyPinkie> any reason why?
[16:03] <raju> for tar u need to configuration and  make process
[16:03] <raju> .deb is click-install process
[16:04] <raju> for tar u need to do configuration and  make process
[16:16] <KinkyPinkie> ok, thanks :)
[16:18] <raju> KinkyPinkie: welcome :s
[16:34] <duanedesign> xAndromeda: what do you get from the command: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[16:38] <duanedesign> xAndromeda: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[16:48] <xAndromeda> on demand atm
[16:48] <xAndromeda> urnning 10.10
[16:49] <xAndromeda> i could change the clocks manually before but now i can only change the modes
[16:49] <xAndromeda> and im pretty sure they dont do much
[16:49] <xAndromeda> my ocmp was idling on battery on power save moe
[16:49] <xAndromeda> and cpu useage under 5%
[16:50] <xAndromeda> and it still was using 1.6GHz instead of the1.2 setting. 2.1 is max
[16:52] <duanedesign> xAndromeda: ok that command should return all your options
[16:52] <duanedesign> so for example i get: conservative ondemand userspace powersave performance
[16:53] <xAndromeda> ?
[16:53] <xAndromeda> oh k
[16:53] <xAndromeda> it changese when i change the setting on the appplet
[16:55] <duanedesign> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[16:55] <duanedesign> that should show the current mode^
[16:57] <xAndromeda> both show powersave atm
[16:57] <duanedesign> xAndromeda: have you added any boot options recently like  noapci or acpi=off
[16:58] <xAndromeda> no im pretty sure i did not
[16:58] <duanedesign> if it says powersave then it did change.
[16:58] <duanedesign> it was ondemand earlier
[16:58] <duanedesign> oh isee what you are saying
[16:59] <xAndromeda> how would i check?
[16:59] <duanedesign> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[16:59] <duanedesign> is the current mode
[16:59] <xAndromeda> yeah
[17:00] <xAndromeda> oh i did edit a file for my wifi though
[17:01] <xAndromeda> it was a boot up thingy
[17:03] <xAndromeda> brb reboot
[17:31] <duanedesign> if xAndromeda comes back could someone give him this link.  http://embraceubuntu.com/2005/11/04/enabling-cpu-frequency-scaling/
[17:31] <duanedesign> thank you
[17:51] <serfus> you guys might know how do i check my video card driver?  i mean, what is currently running
[17:51] <serfus> lspci gives me only the device, not it's driver
[20:14] <Martiini> how do I search specific repository ?? does this look right -  aptitude search '~S ~i (!~Alaunchpad  ~O"kernel")'
[20:14] <bioterror> what are you after
[20:15] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa ?
[20:15] <Martiini> latest kernel in deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[20:19] <bioterror> apt-cache show linux-image-generic
[20:19] <bioterror> should tell you a version
[20:19] <bioterror> Filename: pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.36_i386.deb
[20:19] <bioterror> says mine
[20:21] <Martiini> Im looking for command that gives specific packages in a repo
[20:21] <Martiini> apt-cache show linux-image-generic .. shows currently installed , yess
[20:22] <bioterror> if you have a kernel-ppa repo installed, you should see something else after update
[20:22] <bioterror> I think so
[20:25] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:25] <bioterror> linux-image-2.6.38-7-generic
[20:26] <bioterror> that's what I found now
[20:27] <bioterror> is that new enough?
[20:35] <Martiini> bioterror, aptitude search "?installed?not(?origin(ppa))" | grep linux  ... what I was looking for
[20:37] <Martiini> no .. this is still incorrect
[20:38] <bioterror> that's same command as: dpkg -l |grep linux-image


[02:02] <nexeh> Hey everyone. I'm a developer and ahve been reading through all the documentation (phew... theres some reading there!) I've been looking through some tickets to get familiar... I had a simple triaging question if someone is around?
[02:05] <nexeh> Anyone around?
[02:05] <yofel> nexeh: just ask you question, if anyone knows the answer they'll reply
[02:07] <nexeh> Ok, There is a note in the documentation that is a bug is not writen in English that we should ask them to translate it. My question is should anything else be updated on the ticket as the same time, ie status?
[02:07] <yofel> nexeh: also since there are times when nobody will be around, if you don't have time to wait you can send your question to the mailing list too
[02:07] <nexeh> yofel: thanks i will do that
[02:08] <nexeh> yofel: any suggestions on picking up a mentor?
[02:11] <yofel> as for the mentors you can request one as described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[02:25] <micahg> nexeh: you could also try google translate, if the request seems reasonably translated, you can run with it
[02:25] <nexeh> Ok this seems like a stupid question but the directions say "Set up your Ubuntu Wiki-page, and add the following information to it: " however i dont see anywhere that allows me to do then
[02:26] <nexeh> micahg: thank i was thinking that too but i didn't want anyone to complain about a bad translation? but seeing as you suggested it i will
[02:26] <micahg> nexeh: once you log into the wiki, you can add or edit any page
[02:27] <micahg> nexeh: you can also add a task for ubuntu-translations and they can translate
[02:28] <micahg> nexeh: do you have a link to the page that requests asking the user to translate, I thought we decided not to do that
[02:28] <nexeh> micahg: ive used wikis before and i can find the edit buttern but no where to add... ill keep looking tho... I'll get that link now
[02:29] <micahg> nexeh: just go to the page you want to add and there should be a button to edit
[02:42] <nexeh> OMG, that was not easy to find...
[02:42] <nexeh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[02:45] <micahg> nexeh: thanks, I'll discuss it w/the team
[02:45] <nexeh> Let me know what is decided
[04:25] <Omega> Where should a bug in the Ubuntu Installer go?
[04:26] <micahg> Omega: ubiquity?
[04:27] <Omega> Thank you.
[05:03] <stlsaint> vish: well since im no longer part of team i will just continue to triage bugs on my own then apply for membership afterwards
[05:08] <vish> stlsaint: hey, i sent you a mail and havent heard back... without knowing what the progress is, i couldnt suggest anything else..
[05:09] <vish> stlsaint: i have no clue if being part of that team was helping you or not
[05:10] <stlsaint> vish: meh, not really
[05:10] <stlsaint> i rarely saw my mentor in here which is where majority of my time is spent
[05:11] <vish> stlsaint: exactly! and you should have replied
[05:11] <stlsaint> vish: i will just continue on my bug traiging and let you know when i feel i am ready to apply for membership
[05:11] <stlsaint> vish: i did reply i said my mentor was drew212
[05:11] <stlsaint> vish: i replied either in here or on email...lemme check one sec
[05:12] <stlsaint> nope, guess it was in here
[05:12] <stlsaint> oh yea you asked about how much i had done
[05:13] <vish> stlsaint: no, i mailed again with a set of questions, and there was no reply back.. there is a different team where it is not one on one, but more of a team with a student..  if this did not work for you, you could have been moved to that team..
[05:13] <vish> oh well..
[05:13] <vish> stlsaint: triaging on your own is also fine..  which ever makes you comfortable.. :)
[05:13] <stlsaint> well i have done 3 solid bug triages so i am aiming to do more, most bugs i attempt either fail in one way or another
[05:14] <vish> there is no win with bugs!
[05:14] <stlsaint> lack of info, failure on poster to post more info, im unable to reproduce or any other various reason
[05:14] <vish> ;p
[05:14] <vish> stlsaint: those are not your failures :)
[05:15] <stlsaint> vish: aye, but it makes it much harder for me to triage bugs, especially with the rest of the entire community doing them also ;D
[05:15] <stlsaint> lol, i more or less get the ones that fall in between the cracks
[05:15] <vish> stlsaint: nah, there are so many bugs where we dont hear back from..
[05:15] <micahg> stlsaint: there are more than enough bugs to go around
[05:16] <stlsaint> micahg: yea plenty bugs true, but plenty of them properly ready to be traiged...not so much
[05:16] <stlsaint> micahg: especailly when it comes to the part of reproducing the bug
[05:16] <micahg> stlsaint: that's part of learning how to triage bugs :)
[05:16] <vish> stlsaint: everyone starts the same.. ;)
[05:17] <stlsaint> i have already installed random apps that i never use just to try and reproduce a bug, but i dont want a slew of apps installed that i dont even use
[05:17] <stlsaint> then i go through uninstalling and what not
[05:17] <stlsaint> and i use vbox as well
[05:17] <micahg> stlsaint: you could try a chroot as well
[05:18] <stlsaint> micahg: :|
[05:18] <vish> stlsaint: nah, triage the apps you have.. not necessary to install fresh apps and triage
[05:18] <stlsaint> crap
[05:18] <micahg> stlsaint: or focus on apps you have installed :)
[05:18] <stlsaint> micahg: dang i never thought of that, but most of them need DE's
[05:18] <micahg> stlsaint: a chroot can piggy back on your current DE
[05:19] <stlsaint> micahg: im sure some binding is possible but ive never really had the need to with any chroot i use so i am unaware of how to :(
[05:21] <micahg> stlsaint: xhost +localhost should work as long as no one else is on teh machine
[05:21] <stlsaint> nope just me
[05:23] <stlsaint> then i found out i was triaging bugs that really didnt count towards membership because they werent ubuntu specific :( bummer
[05:24] <stlsaint> vish: thanks
[05:24] <stlsaint> micahg: thanks
[05:25] <stlsaint> i guess i will just report progress on wiki and then apply in a few weeks/months
[05:25] <stlsaint> night folks
[05:25] <micahg> stlsaint: hmm, xhost +localhost doesn't work :-/
[05:25] <vish> yw
[05:25] <stlsaint> micahg: lol, alright
[05:25] <micahg> stlsaint: but someone in #ubuntu might know how to do it
[05:25] <stlsaint> micahg: but your saying that IT IS possible, just have to figure out how?
[05:26] <stlsaint> micahg: cool, i know some folks who will know how ;)
[05:26] <micahg> stlsaint: yes
[05:26] <stlsaint> thanks
[06:24] <micahg> c2tarun: so, I'm not convinced there's an actual issue
[06:24] <c2tarun> micahg: ya i also figured that out. the bug is only to change the name of the package i think???
[06:24] <micahg> c2tarun: but since the papercutters took it on, maybe vish can shed some light on it
[06:24] <micahg> c2tarun: no, it's to modify the description
[06:26] <c2tarun> micahg: vish is not here. who is actually going to fix the bug??
[06:26] <micahg> c2tarun: vish is here somewhere
[06:27] <c2tarun> micahg: ok i'll wait for him. can you please tell me by bug triaging we mean only to change its importance by comments???
[06:28] <micahg> c2tarun: triaging is making sure there's enough information for a developer to work on the bug which can include, steps to reproduce and getting the importance set
[06:29] <c2tarun> micahg: ok and for being a developer do we have some requirements of just anyone can fix the bug (as in this case change the description)??
[06:29] <vish> hey.. which bug?
[06:29] <c2tarun> bug: #602671
[06:30] <vish> bug #602671
[06:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602671 in p7zip (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Description: p7zip (affects: 5) (heat: 24)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602671
[06:30] <micahg> c2tarun: nope, no requirements on who, that's just a different hat to wear :)
[06:32] <c2tarun> micahg: ok ( i m a newbie and may b not the proper person to do this) if I want to change the description then what i have to do. download the tarball change the description and then what???
[06:32] <vish> hmm, ok.. not sure what the confusion is, but c2tarun, ssj6akshat is already working on that bug
[06:32] <micahg> vish: it's not assigned :)
[06:32] <vish> micahg: yea, ^ ssj6akshat pls assign yourself to the bug
[06:32] <c2tarun> i m not going for ssj*'s work. i just wanted to know something about bugging and packaging and all this
[06:33] <vish> ssj6akshat: just assign the bug to yourself and mark it as 'In-Progress'
[06:33] <c2tarun> its my first time i m even looking at a bug and i have absolutely no idea what to do now. so i was just asking...
[06:34] <micahg> c2tarun: so, basically, if you want to fix a bug, you can create a debdiff and then follow the sponsorship process
[06:34] <vish> c2tarun: have you read a little bit of the wiki pages? or are you just starting?
[06:34] <ssj6akshat> vish, wait, i thought it was assigned to Papercuts Ninja so I didn't assign myself
[06:34] <c2tarun> i read the recepies on the wiki page for packaging and creating debdiff. the thing is they just tell the steps never explain them and their technicality and internal functioning
[06:35] <micahg> ssj6akshat: yes, but there's the Ubuntu task as well
[06:35] <vish> ssj6akshat: nah, we are assigning all bugs to the ninja team now, the team gets notified and when someone in the team finds the bug interesting they 'claim' the bug, hence they assign it tot themselves
[06:35] <vish> s/tot/to
[06:37] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat: are you working on that bug???
[06:37] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, yes
[06:37] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat: may b its too much to ask, but can you please tell me little bit what you are doing in order to fix that???
[06:39] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, PM
[06:40] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat: PM??
[06:41] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, private message
[06:44] <vish> ssj6akshat: i thought you already have the patch..
[06:44] <vish>  or i am a bad teacher ;p
[08:53] <c2tarun> anyone looked on  # Bug #685415
[08:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 685415 in firefox (Ubuntu) "error writing about:mozilla (XML non-well formed) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685415
[08:53] <micahg> c2tarun: I saw it...
[08:54] <c2tarun> micahg: i ran about:mozilla on my system and found just a message with red background.
[08:54] <c2tarun> is it really a bug??
[08:55] <micahg> if there's an error, yes
[08:55]  * micahg tries in 3.6
[08:55] <c2tarun> no that was not an error i think. that was  a quote from book of mozilla, 11:9
[08:56] <micahg> as it should, let me try in another langauge
[08:56] <c2tarun> ok.
[08:57] <micahg> ah, indeed it's valid :)
[08:57] <c2tarun> are you getting an error??
[08:57] <micahg> c2tarun: in german
[08:57]  * micahg will mark triaged, thank
[08:57] <micahg> thanks
[08:58] <c2tarun> ok let me try in my language....
[09:01] <c2tarun> there was no error in hindi
[09:01] <c2tarun> :(
[09:02]  * micahg doesn't know if there's a hindi langpack
[09:02] <c2tarun> there is hindi langpack for indians .. dont know how to explaint
[09:02] <c2tarun> there is hindi langpack for indians .. dont know how to explain
[09:03] <c2tarun> but i installed it from language support into my system
[09:03] <micahg> c2tarun: right, but does firefox end up in hindi
[09:04] <c2tarun> ya firefox printed the quote in hindi. and it was correct translation for its english counterpart. but for that testing i logged out and logged in with hindi gnome. how did you  testd??
[09:04] <micahg> I set LC_ALL on teh cli
[09:05]  * micahg tries in Hebrew
[09:06] <micahg> fails in hebrew as well
[09:38] <ssj6akshat> help on bug #602462
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602462 in grsync (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Too geeky description of grsync in software center (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602462
[09:38] <ssj6akshat> What should I change the description to?
[09:39] <nisshh> ssj6akshat, that doesnt seem overly geeky to me
[09:40] <nisshh> maybe get rid of the GTK2 reference
[09:41] <nisshh> i agree with vish's comment on it tbh, ssj6akshat
[09:42] <c2tarun> getting rid of GTK2 may not be the solution because anyone using rsync must be familiar with gtk
[09:42] <c2tarun> nisshh
[09:43] <micahg> I don't think either buzzword needs to go, but rather a simple explanation of what it does as well
[09:43] <nisshh> c2tarun, but a new user might not even know what GTK means
[09:44] <nisshh> micahg, i agree, the actual explanation of its purpose is not there
[09:44] <vish> c2tarun: why does anyone using rsync need to be familiar with GTK?
[09:44] <c2tarun> nisshh: its not that difficult, just by googling and reading few lines one can get GTK. its not something geeky.
[09:45] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, see MPT's comment
[09:45] <nisshh> c2tarun, echoing vish why does someone need to be familiar with GTK to use grsync?
[09:45] <vish> c2tarun: an user must not have to google an explanation, for an explanation to the package he is trying to understand. :)
[09:46] <c2tarun> :)
[09:46] <nisshh> exactly
[09:46] <c2tarun> may b vish :0
[09:46] <c2tarun> :)
[09:47] <c2tarun> but these are very general terms gtk, gnu. etc. one cant explain everything in the package.
[09:47] <vish> c2tarun: yes, not needed to even exist.. ;)
[09:48] <nisshh> c2tarun, its best not to assume a new user might know those terms, in most cases they probably dont
[09:48] <micahg> yeah, I think the buzzwords are fine as long as there's some explanation of funciton
[09:48] <vish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter/PackageDescriptions
[09:49] <vish> hmm, where is the user-testing data..
[09:49]  * vish reverts wiki
[09:54] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat: are you working on this rsync bug??
[09:55] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, i want to work on them all
[09:55] <ssj6akshat> :P
[09:56] <c2tarun> what changes are you planning to make in descriptions??
[10:00] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat: PM
[10:51] <ssj6akshat> vish, so i just remove the GTK2 reference?
[11:11] <njin> Hello, who is responsible to unmount storage media during shutdown ? Thanks
[11:13] <njin> *USB storage media, sorry
[11:15] <njin> bdmurray. can i disturb ?
[11:15] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me where can i find the source code manual for empathy??
[11:16] <ssj6akshat> nisshh, what do you think about it?
[11:20] <nisshh> ssj6akshat, i agree with vish's comments on the bug
[11:21] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, man empathy ?
[11:21] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, do you mean source code?
[11:22] <c2tarun> yup
[11:23] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, bzr branch lp:empathy
[11:24] <njin> charlie-tca: can i disturb?
[11:25] <yofel> njin: I *think* the kernel, since all drives are unmounted directly before poweroff, but I'm not sure
[11:28] <njin> yofel: i'm thinking too, thanks
[11:39] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat bzr branch just created the branch and gave me the source code. but there is no manual on the source code. are you aware of source code manual???
[11:42] <ssj6akshat> c2tarun, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/doc/book/ <-- maybe this?
[11:43] <c2tarun> ssj6akshat: this may help. thanks :)
[11:48] <ssj6akshat> vish, what does potpourri mean?
[13:56] <BUGabundo> boas
[14:19] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how to look at the bug list in launchpad. all i see there is recently reported bugs
[14:20] <vish> c2tarun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME
[14:21] <vish> c2tarun: usually when you are viewing a bug, you can just click on the "BUGS" header on the top
[14:22] <c2tarun> vish: clicking on bugs on top is directing me to the same page of recently reported bugs
[14:24] <vish> c2tarun: no it does not, for example if you are viewing a TB bug, clicking on the "BUGS" header gives you » https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird
[14:24] <vish> c2tarun: do you see on *top* : Overview , Code , Bugs , .... ,
[14:24] <c2tarun> vish: got it thanks :)
[14:24] <vish> :)
[14:34] <c2tarun> what is difference between a triaged bug and confirmed bug??
[14:39] <charlie-tca> c2tarun, confirmed means someone else could have it too. Triaged means the bug is ready for a developer to work on it
[14:39] <charlie-tca> Confirmed does not mean there is enough information there to actually fix the bug
[15:14] <c2tarun> i m not getting the triaged option after clicking on the pencil adjacent to status..???
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Changing status to triaged requires being in bug-control. Normally, when just learning, you set it to confirmed and then ask here to have to changed to triaged.
[15:17] <charlie-tca> That allows for a good verification that there is enough information
[15:18] <c2tarun> what if someone reported an error but i didnot find it valid on my system.
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Did you try in the same version as the report?
[15:19] <c2tarun> nope, it was reported for maverick, mine is lucid
[15:19] <charlie-tca> You can not verify an issue using an earlier release.
[15:19] <c2tarun> ok
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Maverick is later than lucid, so to verify the issue, you have to use maverick or natty
[15:20] <c2tarun> ok
[15:36] <c2tarun> i was going through a tutorial on this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0809/FixingBugs2 and stuck into an error. can anyone please help
[17:02] <njin> hello, have you already see something similar ? Nov 21 20:28:34 andrex-notebook gdm-simple-slave[1181]: WARNING: Unable to load file '/etc/gdm/custom.conf': ÐÐµÑ‚ Ñ‚Ð°ÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñ„Ð°Ð¹Ð»Ð° Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ ÐºÐ°Ñ‚Ð°Ð»Ð¾Ð³Ð°
[17:03] <njin> is this line hacked ?
[17:08] <penguin42>  'hacked'
[17:09] <penguin42> it's a bit odd, probably just a bug somewhere
[17:22] <njin> penguin42: thanks
[17:23] <htorque> bug 647979 - this bug is back again: reopen, open a new one?
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 647979 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Nautilus' "File Operation" dialog gets stuck and prevents opening new Nautilus windows (affects: 3) (heat: 57)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647979
[17:31] <vish> htorque: yes
[17:47] <micahg> njin: please don't upstream gnome-shell bugs unless it's an upstream issue
[17:48] <micahg> njin: please close gnome 636446 as we shouldn't be using mutter 2.91.x with gnome-shell 2.31.x
[17:48] <ubot2> Gnome bug 636446 in general "(mutter:7484): mutter-WARNING **: Could not load library [/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so (/usr/lib/mutter/plugins/libgnome-shell.so: undefined symbol: mutter_plugin_get_type)]" [Blocker,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636446
[17:50] <njin> micahg: done
[17:51] <micahg> njin: also WRT AC_INIT, were you building against the gnome3 libs?
[17:53] <njin> micahg: i've fixed it installing dconf, i'm building vala just now .
[17:53] <penguin42> gnome-shell won't install for me on natty, broken gjs package/dependency
[17:54] <micahg> penguin42: yes, I'm upgrading gnome-shell
[17:54] <penguin42> good, I'd like to try it again - I tried it a long time ago when it was new and didn't like it
[17:54] <penguin42> it seems right to try these things every so often
[17:55] <micahg> penguin42: just not sure if I'll finish today, but should be some time this week
[17:55] <penguin42> cool
[17:55] <njin> micahg:thanks
[17:56] <micahg> njin: np
[17:58] <njin> micahg: sorry, i've dont fix it with dconf, it exit just now with ****[dconf-1.o0.gir] Error1
[17:58] <micahg> njin: ok, I'll see what happens when I upgrade the build-dependencies
[17:58] <njin> *dconf-1.0.gir
[18:47] <htorque> vish, yes what? reopen or better open a new one? :-)
[18:48] <vish> htorque: oops, yea, open a new bug :)
[18:48] <htorque> vish, ok, thanks!
[18:48] <vish> np..
[19:26] <njin> micahg: it works without gnome power manager too !.
[20:45] <daker> hello
[23:13] <layn> Hi