[01:03]  * Pici waits for the banlist to fill
[01:09] <elky> the notices with the iframe are the spammerific ones, or newer spammerific ones?
[01:12] <gord> its the new one where you click and it automatically sends even more spam i think, very annoying
[01:14] <ardchoille> Does the ban list have a limit?
[01:15] <ardchoille> I ask because I am seeing a lot of K-Lines and the floodbots are setting bans in the ip's. Doesn't the K-Line itself remove the requirement for a ban?
[01:16] <ardchoille> Someone may be doing a bunch of K-Lines for the sole purpose of filling up the ban list, then they can come back with a new IP and do what they want and not get banned
[01:21] <niko> you should +r/+R one of them for moment
[01:23] <niko> no ops around ?
[01:23] <ardchoille> No idea. I just noticed something suspicious so I'm reporting it
[01:24] <niko> !ops | niko place a +r in #ubuntu
[01:25] <ardchoille> niko: Thanks for looking into it :)
[01:26] <ardchoille> niko: floodbot 3 removed the +r/+R
[01:26] <niko> yes
[01:27] <niko> if kline stop, i will not put it again
[01:27] <ardchoille> There has been quite a number of k-lines lately
[01:28] <maco> ardchoille: k-lines wont fill the ban list
[01:28] <ardchoille> Someone may need to clean out the ban list soon
[01:28] <maco> at least, i dont think they will
[01:28] <ardchoille> maco: Oh, ok, disregard then
[01:28] <maco> i think the ban list is per channel
[01:28] <ardchoille> Well, the floodbots are banning the k-lined ip's
[01:28] <niko> there is probably a timer on these
[01:28] <maco> and i think the k-lines are because of the spam pm's with the link that opens a new connection that then spams out pm's
[01:29] <maco> yeah floodbots cant perma-ban
[01:29] <ardchoille> I haven't seen an unbans for them
[01:29] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[01:30] <ardchoille> Ok, well I've reported it and will let you good folks take it from here. Thanks for listening.
[01:36] <rejohn> Are there #KUbuntu ops here?
[01:36] <niko> how i can help you ? they seems away
[01:39] <rejohn> niko: it seems that #kubuntu is blocking irc traffic originating from the freenode system. Specifically, i'm logged in via webchat.freenode.net, & #KUbuntu won't let me log into htat channel. Who can correct that, by enabling freenode's own webchat into #kubuntu?
[01:40] <ardchoille> I just had a thought about the global message about the new sort of spam
[01:40] <maco> rejohn: its definitely not blocking all of freenode webchat
[01:40] <maco> rejohn: however, it could be that your ip is blocked in #kubuntu
[01:41] <ardchoille> With the high user number in #ubuntu, someone could technically come into #ubuntu and say something like "I need help with this error http://pastebin.blah/blah" and have that page also contain the spamming code.
[01:41] <niko> wait for an operator of #kubuntu
[01:41] <maco> rejohn: and using the webchat is not a way to ban-evade, believe it or not
[01:41] <rejohn> niko: is this place to wait faoo#K?
[01:41] <maco> i'm a #kubuntu op
[01:41] <ardchoille> maco: That is what I was going to pm you about
[01:41] <rejohn> niko: or is there a better channel?
[01:42] <niko> rejohn: discuss with maco, forget me :)
[01:42] <maco> however i dont recall how to get an ip address out of the hostname that the webchat gives
[01:42] <maco> to see if your ip is banned
[01:42] <maco> genii, jussi01: either of you aroun?
[01:42] <ardchoille> This makes me not want to click on any url's that people post in order to get help with something
[01:42] <maco> (i'm also about to try to eat dinner very quickly before a meeting)
[01:43] <rejohn> maco: thanks, I'm awaiting your suggestions.
[01:43] <maco> ardchoille: paste.ubuntu.com, pastebin.ca, and pastebin.com are ok :)
[01:43] <ardchoille> maco: Ah, good point
[01:43] <maco> rejohn: were you banned in there at any point in the past?
[01:44] <maco> oh hey its not an IP ban
[01:44] <maco> it's just plain "rejohn is banned"
[01:44] <maco> rejohn: talk to tsimpson, as he set your ban
[01:44] <rejohn> maco: i've been banned once at least, from #kubuntu, by an idiot sysop (true), that might be the cause.
[01:44] <maco> you are still banned
[01:45] <maco> you'll need to talk to tsimpson, the "idiot sysop" as you called him, to get it listed
[01:45] <maco> (i dont think calling him an idiot will earn you any points, however)
[01:45] <rejohn> maco: so, can someone unban me, because, truly, whoever banned me was acting like an idiot.
[01:45] <maco> er, unbanned, i mean
[01:45] <maco> rejohn: nope. whomever banned you is the one who has to unban you
[01:45] <maco> if you believe this op is out to get you, please see the appeals process
[01:45] <maco> !appeals
[01:46] <rejohn> maco: i don't care the least about "points", i care about progress & non idiotic behavior.
[01:46] <maco> rejohn: let me be clear: i refuse to remove your ban as i did not set your ban. period. if you want your ban to be removed, take it up with the op who banned you (tsimpson). if you believe he is being unreasonable, you may file an appeal.
[01:46] <rejohn> maco: then please now consider this my visit to #u-ops to get this corrected,
[01:47] <rejohn> maco: I was already here, & spoke with several people when that ban occurred, the end of the conversation was basically "we made a mistake". I'd like to get unbanned, please.
[01:47] <maco> please point to the logs on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com where a mistake was admitted
[01:48] <maco> and then i'm sure someone will be happy to remove your ban
[01:48] <maco> but right now, i have to get to a meeting
[01:49] <rejohn> maco: the mistake was admitted during private msg com with me & two or 3 ubuntu ops, so probably nothing is in the log for this channel, but i'll check,
[01:50] <rejohn> ANYONE (since maco has to leave) - Given that the !appeals says this is the place to, basically, get bans removed, is there someone here who can do that?
[01:51] <Pici> rejohn: one moment, let me take a look
[01:53] <rejohn> Pici: it was likely on 2009.12.20
[01:55] <Pici> rejohn: It was on the 18th.  Do you remember why?
[02:00] <rejohn> Pici: I'm back, any results?
[02:04] <niko> Pici: i believe you can remove +r now
[02:04] <rejohn> maco: Pici  - is there a date indicated for the ban?
[02:05] <Pici> rejohn: It was on the 18th.  Do you remember why?
[02:05] <Pici> niko: ty
[02:06] <rejohn> Pici: yes, i'll tell you momentarily, let me look up the 18th log
[02:14] <rejohn> Pici: Re ur question "why the ban": On that date, in #kubuntu, I made a relevant, on topic, helpful to the Kubuntu community post, & some person whose actions were at least ignorant, & perhaps idiotic, accused me of spamming. Spam it was definitely not.  I came to this channel to try to resolve it, Someone from here asked if they could PM me, I said sure, we discussed it there with one other person from U-Ops, & the result was
[02:15] <rejohn> Pici: niko maco tsimpson : Can anyone get that ban removed.?
[02:20] <rejohn> Pici: niko maco tsimpson : Can anyone get that ban removed.?
[02:20] <Pici> rejohn: You discussed it in here?
[02:21] <rejohn> Pici: to repeat what i just wrote, no, someone from here asked if they could pm me, we discussed it there with one other person.
[02:22] <rejohn> Pici: will you please get that ban removed?
[02:23] <Pici> rejohn: The appeals process doesn't mean "hey, come here and we'll remove your ban", it means that we'll review your ban and if we think that your behavior has changed then it will be removed.
[02:23] <Pici> And you cannot have a private message with 3 people, which is why I asked if you had discussed it in this channel.
[02:27] <rejohn> Pici: well, it's been a # of weeks, & my memory is that someone asked me if they could pm me, i said "sure", & we discussed things there.  There was also someone else involved in the discussion at some point, perhaps just not in the pm,
[02:27] <rejohn> Pici: do you have a log scan tool that can list all the dates since 2009.12.18 that i was in this channel?
[02:28] <rejohn> Pici: So, what can you, or anyone, do now to get that ban removed?
[02:29] <Pici> rejohn: I've already looked at my logs, you came here asking for the senior ubuntu irc person and was not satisfied with any of the answers that you got.
[02:30] <Pici> rejohn: I understand why you may have thought that your announcement to #kubuntu was on-topic, but #kubuntu is not a discussion channel, it is for support only.
[02:30] <rejohn> Pici: further, as my behavior was perfectly appropriate, & even moreso: was an assistance to the KUbuntu community, there is no valid reason that my behavior should have been different, nor should my behavior change.  As a community member, someone abused _me_ by banning me improperly.
[02:31] <Pici> rejohn: Then I'm afraid I cannot help you at this time.  If you wish to see this through further then you may send an email to the IRC Council, listed on the appeals page.
[02:31] <Pici> !appeals
[02:31] <rejohn> Pici: my announcemt was a form of support for KUbuntu community members, and thus pas 100% perfectly & properly on topic for that channel.  i was abused by being banned.
[02:35] <rejohn> Pici: Why do you state you cn't help me at this time? The channel topic says it is re operator abuse, which is my situation.  Is this a discussion only, no action channel?
[02:36] <Pici> rejohn: Because you are under the impression that there was no wrongdoing on your part and the operator in question is the one who made the mistake.
[02:37] <rejohn> Pici: who was "toiq" - tsimpson ?
[02:37] <Pici> rejohn: toiq?
[02:37] <rejohn> "the operator in question"
[02:37] <rejohn> Pici: who was "toiq" - tsimpson ?
[02:37] <Pici> rejohn: yes
[02:38] <rejohn> Pici: so, tsimpson is logged into this channel, afai can see, but doesn't respond.  Is there anyone else here who _can_ get this ban removed?
[02:38] <rejohn> tsimpson: are you online?
[02:39] <Pici> He has been idle for ~8 hours.
[02:39] <rejohn> Pici: so,   Is there anyone else here who _can_ get this ban removed?
[02:42] <Pici> rejohn: Unless tsimpson returns, your next step would be to email the IRCC
[02:42] <rejohn> Pici: thanks for your help.
[02:52] <cobra679> Can I please be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic
[02:57] <rejohn> Pici: do you have a log scan tool that can list all the dates since 2009.12.18 that i was in this channel?
[02:58] <rejohn> Is there a log scan tool that can list the dates someone was in a particular channel, such as #ubuntu, or #kubuntu?
[03:41] <cobra679> ubottu
[03:53] <elky> rejohn, #ubuntu and #kubuntu are both publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com. our log scan tool tends to be grep on our local systems of our local logs, but you could very easily replicate this with the contents of irclogs.ubuntu.com
[03:57] <elky> we do have the benefit of being able to customise what our local logs record, and so we have the ip/hostname as per raw irc specs
[04:05] <mneptok> rejohn: i show no instances of the nick "rejohn" in this cahnnel since the original date of the ban (when you kept asking who the "senior" person is) and today.
[04:06] <elky> ah, that's where i remember the nickname from
[04:07] <elky> also for the interest of those here but not -irc: <rejohn> Help please: it seems that #kubuntu is blocking irc traffic originating from the freenode system. Specifically, i'm logged in via webchat.freenode.net, & #KUbuntu won't let me log into htat channel. Who can correct that, by enabling freenode's own webchat into #kubuntu?
[04:21] <rejohn> elky: thanks for the info about the logs, & specifically of when i was in this channel.
[04:25] <mneptok> rejohn: FWIW, i find your conduct in #kubuntu to be disruptive and against the channel policy, as well. #kubuntu is a support channel. it is not there for people to make announcements.
[04:26] <mneptok> rejohn: and belittling an op using your <capslock> key is not going to get you anywhere when asked to stop.
[04:30] <cobra679> hi
[04:30] <cobra679> i need to speak to a OP
[04:32] <rejohn> mneptok: please provide me a url for the channel policy which your comment references, thank you.
[04:35] <mneptok> 21:34 -!- Topic for #kubuntu: Official Kubuntu support | Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala released! | Download Kubuntu 9.10: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu | KDE 4.3.4 in backports | KDE SC 4.4rc1 in the Kubuntu Beta PPA:
[04:35] <mneptok>  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-1 |FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IurcGuidelines
[04:35] <mneptok> !offtopic-kubuntu
[04:35] <mneptok> !offtopic
[04:35] <mneptok> rejohn: there you go
[04:35] <mneptok> @login
[04:37] <rejohn> mneptok: 1) thanks for that info.
[04:38] <rejohn> mneptok: 2) Are you a volunteer for ubuntu, or are do you work for any Ubuntu or Cannonical related company?
[04:38] <mneptok> i am curently a volunteer, and am an alumnus of Canonical. why?
[04:38] <mneptok> cobra679: what do you require?
[04:39] <rejohn> mneptok: just a moment, & i'll get you an answer.
[04:41] <rejohn> mneptok: 3) Since _you_ brought the topic up (ie, this is not something _I'm_ bringing up, I'm responding to _your_ comment.  Just to say that if you think this is offtopic, it is a response to _your_ comment.),
[04:43] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) Time doesn't permit me to provide much comment on the way that what ""you" find" relates to the actual, in place, information for operation of the KUbuntu channel,
[04:44] <elky> rejohn, the purpose of #kubuntu is that of technical support. if you were using it for content of another nature then you were outside the scope and hence, offtopic
[04:44] <mneptok> #kubuntu is a support channel. as stated in its /topic and as you were told by tsimpso n. it is for support issues only, and not for announcements.
[04:44] <mneptok> there's no ambiguity there.
[04:44] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) So first I will comment that we should all be aware, here, of evolution, & how things, like software, sw communities, & sw cmts communication methodologies work,
[04:44] <elky> and this is not "because mneptok wants". it's because that's what it was made for, years ago.
[04:45] <cobra679> mneptok can you unban from ubuntu offtopic
[04:45] <mneptok> cobra679: no.
[04:45] <elky> it has not evolved *from* a support channel, but rather evolved *away* from a support+development channel. it is now *only* support.
[04:46] <cobra679> y
[04:46] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) So, since I can't actually currently see for myself what the KUbuntu topic is (Because I'm being blocked currently from seeing it), I will presume that what you wrote above is the actual channel message currently for @kubuntu,
[04:46] <mneptok> cobra679: rather, i could. but i will not. your behavior was puerile and well within the limits of a bannable offense.
[04:46] <maco> the channel list should show you the topics for all channels
[04:49] <mneptok>  /topic #kubuntu
[04:50] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) So, the key thing to note, relevenat to the current discussion topic, about that channel message, is that it totally fails to do the #2 important thing that such a message should do (for the a channel named "#kubuntu" for a major (GNU)Linux distro) (# 1 being saying the channel topic): provide a url to a _fuller description about what the channel is about_,
[04:51] <mneptok> rejohn: the first three words in the /topic are "Official Kubuntu Support"
[04:52] <mneptok> rejohn: you sent multiple lines of input that were not support related, and when asked to stop, and when told it was a support channel, you became argumentative, condescending, and defensive.
[04:52] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) Look at the url there provided: it is _not_ about the channel, it is merely about the sw.  Now, given that I expect many people involved in #Kubuntu & Ubuntu are volunteers, I am not "nit picking",ie not trying to  find minor problems & blow them up out of proportion,
[04:53] <mneptok> rejohn: if it is such a major issue, why are you the first person in many, many months to not understand the idea of "it's a support channel?"
[04:54] <mneptok> rejohn: IOW, the problem exists for you, not for the community as a whole. this means you need to modulate your behavior, and not that the community needs to take action.
[04:57] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) But, if someone here (you) desires _to raise as an issue that is _relevant__, the issue of how participants in the channel should behave with respect to the channel, then it is _truly important_ for such persons (you) to learn key things about the endeavor in which they are involving themselves, ie, in this case, proper communication of accepted behavior wrt communication in the #kubuntu channel, instead of doin
[04:57] <rejohn> mneptok: 3ctd) [ctd] "operating by the assumption that people some mind reading skills" that humans _don't_ have.
[04:58] <mneptok> rejohn: this is becoming a lecture. i don;t like lectures. when you are ready to have a conversation where you listen to what the other party says and react to it, rather than just bombard with your own opinion, feel free to get my attention.
[04:58]  * mneptok walks away
[05:00] <rejohn> mneptok: Point: It is idiotic (or perhaps idiotic & uninformed/uneducated) to expect any casual user of some specific irc channel to know things about such channel when the channel ops have failed to communicate that info in the #1 manner they should do (ie, by putting a url for _the channel communication policies (not _only_ a url for the sw) _in the channel message_.,
[05:01] <rejohn> mneptok: 3end) I wish I had more time to try to uplift your consciousness on that, but life is short.
[05:03] <Flannel> rejohn: When you join the channel, you are presented with both the scope of the channel, and the URL for more information regarding the expected behavior of the channel.
[05:07] <elky> ugh
[05:08] <cobra679> ok
[05:09] <cobra679> thanks for your help mneptok
[05:09] <cobra679> when can i come back ?
[05:09] <cobra679> and ask again
[05:11] <mneptok> 24-27 hours
[05:12] <mneptok> cobra679: until then, please read ...
[05:12] <mneptok> !guidelines
[05:12] <mneptok> !CoC
[05:12] <mneptok> cobra679: and that should be 24-72h
[05:13] <rejohn> mneptok: So, before my connection dropped, I saw that your comment saying you wished to be output only on the conversationtopic you started with me.  Fine enough.  Your loss.
[05:14] <mneptok> rejohn: your ban is not being lifted at this time. you have been informed of the appeals process, and you can /whois tsimpso n to determine when the op who set the ban is active, and re-/join this channel then. until then, please abide by our no-idling policy stated in this channel's /topic. thanks.
[05:17] <rejohn> mneptok: actually, the freenode webchat service doesn't provide that info in the /whois response, as far as I can tell. I've already tried that, only says "is signed on", as closest thing to "active".
[05:17] <rejohn> Anyone know when tsimpson might likely be back here?
[05:18] <Flannel> rejohn: I'll hazard a guess that you could really speak to *any* operator.  Not just tsimpson.  But you'll actually have to have a conversation about the ban and your behavior.
[05:24] <rejohn> Flannel: I was told by Pici that Pici couldn't help me, that I'd need to speak to tsimpson, but I'm fine with speaking to anyone who can get the improper ban removed.
[05:26] <Flannel> rejohn: There is no improper ban to be removed.  You were acting inappropriately, and you almost certainly won't be let back in until you agree to not act in the same way in the future.
[05:29] <rejohn> Flannel: I believe you are wrong.  And further,I believe that _if_ you _are_ correct,  you are only so by incorrect/improper process.
[05:32] <Flannel> rejohn: We have a responsibility to our users.  That responsibility is, in this case, to keep the support channels available for support.  Advertising things, even when they're ubuntu related, isn't support, and as such, isn't allowed.
[05:35] <rejohn> Flannel: But, really, likely on or about that day, someone(s) from here _did_ have a discussion with me, & the bottom line is I was told something like "perhaps mistakes were made (in banning you) [becasue every issue they inquired about, was not applicable].  Bottom line: I'd really like to find out who from ub-ops had that conversation with me, so the entire line of ubuntu-ops faulty reasoning doesn't have to be re-destructe
[05:35] <rejohn> Flannel:  & get the ban removed from operational activity.
[05:36] <rejohn> Flannel: are you an employee of Cannonical/ubuntu etc, or are you in the community only as a volunteer?
[05:38] <Flannel> rejohn: That day you came here, and wanted to speak to a "senior" operator, and then after you were given the answer ('no') you didn't pursue your question further.
[05:39] <Flannel> rejohn: If you have no further questions or comments regarding your ban, please don't idle here.  Feel free to come back in the future when you feel like you'll be able to move this issue forward.  Thanks
[05:39] <rejohn> Flannel: When is _now_, as I've already stated,
[05:40] <Flannel> rejohn: You may claim that, but your actions haven't been supporting that idea.
[05:41] <rejohn> Flannel: Are u able 2 determine who had the discussion w/me that day (referred 2 earlr in todays covmstn here)?
[05:41] <Flannel> rejohn: I have the discussion from that day, yes.  No one had a discussion that resembled your description.
[05:42] <rejohn> Flannel: So, tell me who here is in a position 2 reolve the issue & remove the (iirc improper) ban.
[05:43] <Flannel> rejohn: I am in a position to potentially resolve the issue.  I've said this already.
[05:43] <rejohn> Flannel: do you have the capability to grep the #ubuntu & #kubuntu logs for my nic & tell me what days I was in those channels, since Nov 2009?
[05:44] <Flannel> rejohn: I do.  Is it relevant?
[05:45] <rejohn> Flannel: it is relevant: I'd like to use that as starting data to see if I can locate some info that indicates who (from ub-ops) I had the conversation with that I referenced earlier.
[05:45] <rejohn> Flannel: would you mind finding that out?
[05:46] <Flannel> rejohn: You're looking for this log: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/18/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[05:51] <rejohn> Flannel: thanks, no, i'd already located that on my own, & read it, & it is not what I'm asking about.  I asked if someone could grep the #ubuntu #kubuntu logs for my nic for Nov 2009 to today, & tell me what dates my nic is there.
[05:54] <rejohn> Flannel: can you locate that?
[05:56] <Flannel> rejohn: Whether or not someone told you that you were banned mistakenly is irrelevant.      I've already stated this.
[06:04] <rejohn> Flannel: You state "disruption" as the sole justifying reason.  Please stick to the discussing specifics, with url reference to the specific, relevant policy violated.  Because I did nothing justifying a ban then, nor now, when I'm still banned improperly.
[06:05] <Flannel> rejohn: You were being offtopic, that's not allowed.
[06:06] <rejohn> Flannel: please quote anythng I said that you think wasn't allowed, & also a url to a relevant rule that stated (at that time) that such a statement was unallowed.
[06:06] <Flannel> rejohn: "Don't be annoying" would be another, "Subject" part of 'language and subject', or we can go to the code of conduct: "Be considerate" "Be Respectful"
[06:07] <Flannel> rejohn: Please come back in at least 48 hours.  Read over the code of conduct, and the IRC guidelines in that time.  Thanks.
[06:07] <rejohn> Flannel: please stick to specifics, please.
[06:07] <Flannel> rejohn: Have a nice evening.
[06:09] <rejohn> Flannel: Check this out: 1) you said you could resolve the issue. 2) You fail to provide specifics. 3) You are unspecific, & don't do what you say you will do, you are unreliable, & your unreliablity & false statement is all publically logged for everyone to see, by the ubuntu.com
[06:10] <Flannel> rejohn: I said I was able to resolve the issue.  That doesn't mean it would be resolved.  It's resolution depends solely on you.
[06:11] <Flannel> rejohn: I'm not sure how much more specific you need, I gave you a laundry list.
[06:12] <Flannel> rejohn: But like I said, I'll be happy to discuss it again after 48 hours.   Please take the time to become familiar with and internalize the channel guidelines so you'll understand why you were banned.
[06:13] <rejohn> Flannel: so, if you wish to be a person of your word, then, no, the resolution depends at least half on (a reliable, truthful, honest) person representing the ubuntu-ops.  If you wish that to be _your_ reputation, then don't say one thing (I could work to resolve it with you) then fail to provide any specifics, then further indicate you won't fulfill your word, & you, after I follow your sggestion to resolve it now, back out o
[06:14] <rejohn> Flannel: So, if you wish to follow on your word/suggestion: retrace your abusive comment of "come back later" when you'd indicated  I should take my time to try to resolve this with you now.
[06:14] <Flannel> rejohn: Resolution generally requires conversation about the ban.  When all you're going to do is deny the fact that your previous behavior is bannable, we are at an impasse.
[06:16] <rejohn> Flannel: you have made a bald faced false statement about me, & your false statement is publically logged by ubuntu.com on the internet.,
[06:16] <rejohn> Flannel: your false statement is evident by reading merely todays log here.
[06:19] <rejohn> Flannel: If you want to mend your reputation which you just publically damaged yourself, then let's proceed on getting this issue resolved. IIRC, You've made a (factually false) accusation to me (let me reread the log to get the correct quote), so start by doing job 1, the basics: quote anything I wrote that you think justifes a ban, & quote a url that indicates clearly that what I was was prohibited.
[06:23] <Myrtti> I see the spambots have changed their tactics
[06:23] <Myrtti> DCC... a bit more difficult to counter
[06:26] <Flannel> Myrtti: They DCC a URL which causes you to become a DCC spambot
[06:26] <rejohn> I have located part of the conversation to which I earlier referred:
[06:26] <rejohn> [19:45] <Dominian> rejohn: My original position based ont he reports I recevied and witnessed is that you violated freenode policy, that was my mistake
[06:27] <Myrtti> Flannel: I know, I fought the attack earlier when they spammed the channel instead of users
[06:27] <rejohn> Dominian: Are you here?
[06:27] <Myrtti> rejohn: freenode != Ubuntu, Ubuntu != freenode
[06:28] <Myrtti> ubuntu irc channels can have and do have rules that are tighter than freenode policy
[06:28] <rejohn> Myrtti: please tell me something i don't know already.
[06:28] <Myrtti> so the statement that you have not violated freenode policy isn't up to discussion here
[06:29] <Myrtti> it's the violation of Ubuntu IRC guidelines
[06:30] <Myrtti> having said that, I need to shower, have doctors appointment in 90min
[06:31] <rejohn> Myrtti: I'd love to continue this conversation with you at this time, (if you were able to get this ban removed), but I am past due to be asleep, & must leave in too short a time to conclude this conversation now.  Thanks for your effort, I will have to try later to resolve this matter.
[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[06:38] <mneptok> rejohn: please respect our no-idling policy (clearly stated in the channel /topic)
[06:38] <mneptok> rejohn: failure to remove yourself may result in us removing you
[06:41] <rejohn> mneptok: Do you know when tsimpson or Dominian will be around?
[06:42] <tsimpson> rejohn: I just woke up, but after reading some of the backlog here I am unwilling to remove the ban affecting you
[06:42] <rejohn> tsimpson: have we spoken before?
[06:42] <tsimpson> rejohn: when you joined here last time, yes
[06:43] <rejohn> tsimpson: please tell me a date & time, so I can look up our previous discussion.
[06:44] <tsimpson> rejohn: we talked in #kubuntu before you joined here
[06:46] <tsimpson> this was around Dec 18 02:34:53 UTC
[06:47] <tsimpson> but looking at my logs, you did a similar thing on Apr 19 23:42:44 UTC, about the so called "GLOBAL KUBUNTU MEETING"
[06:50] <rejohn> tsimpson: what is your position in the ubottuops group?
[06:51] <tsimpson> I am a recent member of the IRC Council, but I can abstain from this issue if you'd rather
[06:52] <rejohn> tsimpson: I am told that it was you that banned my nic from #kubuntu. Is that true?
[06:52] <tsimpson> it is
[06:53] <rejohn> tsimpson: why?
[06:53] <tsimpson> because you posted offtopic comments
[06:54] <tsimpson> also because you refused to see it as off topic
[06:56] <tsimpson> rejohn: is there anything else I can help you with?
[06:58] <rejohn> tsimpson: Would you mind showing me a url that indicates banable comments for the #ubuntu channel?
[06:58] <rejohn> tsimpson: or, that says anyting about posting offtopic comments in the #ubuntu channel?
[06:58] <tsimpson> rejohn: you have been given that information already, the IRC Guidelines and Code of Conduct
[06:59] <rejohn> tsimpson: I'm asking _you_ if you'd mind telling me that, because _you_ have told me it was _you_ that banned me [quite & totally without proper justification, i believe].
[07:00] <rejohn> tsimpson: Would you mind showing me a url that indicates banable comments for the #ubuntu channel?
[07:00] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:01] <tsimpson> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[07:02] <rejohn> tsimpson: thank you.  those two documents have many items in them.  Will you please quote here the component therin for which you choose to ban my nic.
[07:03] <tsimpson> read the "Language and Subject" and "Don't be annoying" parts
[07:03] <tsimpson> also the "Be respectful" and "When we disagree, we consult others" parts of the code of conduct
[07:06] <rejohn> tsimpson: I believe I was improperly & wrongly banned by (you indicate it was you, tsimpson).  Will you please quote anything I did that you think justified a ban?
[07:07] <tsimpson> rejohn: if you believe that you were wrongly banned then you should follow the next step of the appeal process
[07:07] <tsimpson> !appeals
[07:08] <rejohn> tsimpson: I've been informed the _first_ step is to talk with _you_ (the person who self admits banning my nic), _here_.
[07:08] <rejohn> tsimpson: so, I'm following the procedure as it has been explained to me so far,
[07:09] <rejohn> tsimpson: since you banned me, I think you owe me a explanation: Moreover, not some kind of hand-wavy, generalization on, rules qouting only, but something that has these two exact pieces:
[07:09] <tsimpson> rejohn: you have completed the first step with no resolution
[07:10] <tsimpson> rejohn: I have explained it to you, and so have others
[07:10] <tsimpson> you disagree with our explanations, so you should continue with the next step
[07:11] <rejohn> tsimpson: 1) a quote from me, & 2) a link from the urls that indicates that kind of statement is a bannable statement [I don't think it is possible to accomplish that, because I believe everything I wrote was unprohibited, & _furthermore_ was a _benefit_ to the KUbuntu community, who you, through your ban action, have robbed.]
[07:13] <tsimpson> rejohn: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/18/%23kubuntu.html#t02:34
[07:14] <rejohn> tsimpson: I believe you have failed to fulfill your responsibility to 1) me, & 2) the KUbuntu community, because you have _not_ provided a valid "explanation" -(which furthermore is irrelevant - it is not a hand wavey "explanation" that you owe me & the KUbuntu community, but 1) a quote from me, & 2) a url & qoute of some rules therein which, presumably, my quote violated).,
[07:15] <Myrtti> since we are going around in circles, I suggest you elevate the issue to IRC Council.
[07:15] <tsimpson> you have all of those, a quote from you (in the logs), the rules (IRC Guidelines and CoC) and the explanation (from here)
[07:15] <Myrtti> this discussion is clearly going nowhere
[07:15] <tsimpson> next step: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess
[07:16] <rejohn> tsimpson: so, I am here trying to accomplish step _1_, find out from _you_ (who did the banning) exactly _why_ you think there was _any_ _proper_ _valid_ justification for doing so.,
[07:16] <tsimpson> you have been told
[07:16] <rejohn> tsimpson: until you do so, you are violating both me, _&_ the KUbuntu community.,
[07:16] <tsimpson> so please continue with the next step in the appeals process
[07:17] <tsimpson> I am now refusing to continue with this, as I feel we are going nowhere
[07:17] <rejohn> tsimpson: but, I am more than willing to cut you some slack, even though you've hurt me & the KUbuntu community both, if you are not a cannonical/ubuntu employee.,
[07:17] <rejohn> tsimpson: Do you work for Ubuntu or Cannonical, etc?
[07:18] <topyli> sorry for interrupting rejohn, but i don't think the discussion can progress any further here, as all measures possible here have already been taken. please move on as tsimpson suggest. thanks
[07:20] <rejohn> topyli: are you a supervisor of tsimpson ?
[07:20] <topyli> the operators are colleagues here, no more nor less
[07:23] <topyli> rejohn, oh i am a member of the irc council. however, the council is not in session here
[07:29] <mneptok> my brain hurts
[07:32] <mneptok> rejohn: please respect our no-idling policy (clearly stated in the channel /topic)
[07:32] <mneptok> rejohn: failure to remove yourself may result in us removing you
[07:33] <rejohn> back
[07:33] <rejohn> tsimpson: You might find that 1) it saves time for those higher up (in the appeals process), & 2) is the proper thing to do to respect the KUbuntu community, if you would, please, provide just two specific items here: 1) a _specific_ quote from me, & 2) a _specific_ banning-applicable rule that my quote violates.  That really isn't much for me to ask.  & if you _don't_ provide such, it looks as if you didn't _have_ any justifi
[07:33] <mneptok> 00:17 <+tsimpson> I am now refusing to continue with this, as I feel we are going nowhere
[07:33] <mneptok> the discussion is over in this channel at this time.
[07:36] <Flannel> rejohn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/356432/ is that specific enough?
[07:38] <rejohn> Flannel: thank you. You have done what tsimpson , sadly, failed to do.,
[07:38] <Flannel> rejohn: Except he didn't, since he gave you the same thing.  Now please, you're done here.
[07:41] <rejohn> Flannel: and, going by topyli 's comment, _You_ now have the opportunity to respect the community, where tsimpson  wouldn't, by either providing a relevant url indicating what I wrote was prohibited (which Can't be done, I believe, because my comment _was_ _on topic_ & _relevant_ & _not prohibited_ for the #kubuntu channel),
[07:42] <Flannel> thankee mneptok
[07:42] <mneptok> np. i don;t mind being the "bad guy" in this case.
[07:45] <rejohn> so, the Ubuntu-ops doubly disrespect the kubuntu community, & myself, by killing my #ubuntu-ops connection when I'm trying to get abuse resolved?
[07:46] <rejohn> Shame on you.
[07:50] <tsimpson> mneptok: you're missing the ?=
[07:50] <tsimpson> oh, you fixed it :)
[07:52] <nalioth> tsimpson: that won't work  :(
[07:52] <nalioth> er, never mind
[07:53] <tsimpson> I just took off the session part from the other ban
[07:53] <tsimpson> thanks :)
[07:54] <nalioth> i'm not sure why we don't ban _all_ proxies that use the hex/IP format ( your ban only stops "blessed" sources )
[08:33] <Tm_T> that was pure sillyness, where these lecturers come?
[08:52] <jussi01> !ff35
[08:54] <jussi01> !no, ff35 is <reply> Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the packages firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | FF3.5 is called Shiretoko in your UI: http://is.gd/1reB3
[08:54] <jussi01> !ff35 > rww
[10:12] <jussi01> Just a quick curiousity question, who, in the last month or so has looked at/read the IRC guidelines/operator guidelines? and who has subscribed to the pages for changes?
[10:13] <jpds> jussi01: Not likely one of us.
[10:13] <jussi01> jpds: why not?
[10:14] <jpds> jussi01: You can see who's subscribed on the page's Info page.
[10:17] <jpds> ie. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines?action=info&general=1
[10:19] <kinja-sheep> IRSeekBot (in #ubuntu) is a bot. I'm guessing.
[10:20] <kinja-sheep> 3_3
[10:20] <ikonia> yes
[10:20] <jussi01> kinja-sheep: yes, it is, and its allowed to be there.
[10:20] <kinja-sheep> jussi01: Oh okay. I'm just wondering since I know there are two bots, but IRSeekBot is a new nickname to me.
[10:21] <kinja-sheep> Later. ;o
[10:21] <jussi01> kinja-sheep: yeah, its basically just a logbot same as ubuntulog, but to a different page
[10:21] <kinja-sheep> Somebody's personal bot?
[10:22] <kinja-sheep> Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know.
[10:41] <Mamarok> jussi01: I am already subscribed to it
[10:41] <Mamarok> and yes, I read it recently :)
[10:45]  * jussi01 would like to encourage people to review on a semi regular basis, and subscripe to the page for changes. it is important that we keep them in mind when we are dealing with people who break them.
[10:56] <elky> review what?
[10:56] <elky> either i've lost some lines of backlog (bip gave me one) or you've missed adding context it in your enthusiasm
[11:02] <jussi01> elky: the ops and user irc guidelines
[11:39] <Myrtti> this is getting tiresomme
[11:49] <bazhang> banlist is filling up fast majority seem to be klined
[11:49] <Myrtti> hold on...
[11:49] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f665d18c0
[11:51] <Myrtti> crap
[11:51]  * Myrtti facepalms
[11:51] <Myrtti> now I can't grep k-lines from the channel :-(
[11:52] <Myrtti> /lastlog -file klines.log -QUITS "K-lined"
[11:54] <elky> the top one of mine is phix. remove at your peril
[11:55] <elky> second one iirc needs a good stern talking to still
[11:55]  * elky bt's the last
[11:56] <bazhang> 137 by the floodbots
[11:56] <Myrtti> elky: what I'm worried is the floodbot ones that have actually been k-lined
[11:56] <Myrtti> they're on the list redundantly
[11:57] <elky> the floodbot stuff shouldn't last past a week
[11:57] <elky> at least, that's how i thought the code worked
[11:57] <Myrtti> if we wait for a week, the banlist might fill up several times over
[11:58] <Myrtti> with the current recurrance of the attacks
[12:00] <elky> wait, these are all that recent?
[12:00] <Myrtti> some are. I'm checking them over
[12:01] <gnomefreak> whhat channel is best for questions about Ubuntu (not just support)?
[12:01] <elky> remove anything older than a week. the majority are probably to do with the ctcp flooding that was happening
[12:01] <jussi01> gnomefreak: what kind of questions?
[12:01] <Myrtti> I've started checking from Floodbot1. If someone else wants to do Floodbot2 etc. go ahead. I'm adding a comment of the ones that are not this "http standard iframe" autobans
[12:01] <elky> gnomefreak, that really depends on what kid of "not just support"
[12:01] <gnomefreak> jussi01: about what is Ubuntu/Linux
[12:02]  * gnomefreak working on getting Ubuntu into news paper
[12:02] <jussi01> hrm
[12:03] <elky> gnomefreak, they can contact canonical, or the marketing email list
[12:03]  * gnomefreak would like to give a few links on it and would love to get people here for more info on it
[12:04] <gnomefreak> elky: i thought canonical would be to high up in ranks to send them there
[12:04] <elky> oh, i thought you meant reporters
[12:04] <elky> beginners, maybe?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> elky: no that part is easy. yes beginners
[12:04] <elky> the forums too for that kind of talk
[12:05] <gnomefreak> thats a good idea thanks.
[12:06] <jussi01> yeah, id recommend the forums
[12:08] <gnomefreak> ok thanks i will start with the mailing lists and let them know to contact canonical, but i will be giving them links to home page in Wiki and a few other links :) i just hope it gets thought of/ posted in paper
[12:09] <Myrtti> meh
[12:09] <Myrtti> I need to do a @mark and the bot refuses.
[12:09] <Myrtti> [12:13] <gnomefreak> anyone else get the bunch of DCC's?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> sorry i guess that is what Myrtti is talking about
[12:13] <jussi01> gnomefreak: everyone...
[12:13] <jussi01> ;)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> kline would be nice :)
[12:14] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: preventive is not possible
[12:14] <Myrtti> if you click the link, you become a spammer
[12:14] <gnomefreak> oh great. that is going to be alot of trouble if anyone does :(
[12:20] <Myrtti> if someone could please grep lastlog for past 24-hours for all K-lined users and pastebin/email/send it to me?
[12:20] <Myrtti> from #ubuntu
[12:21] <Myrtti> there's couple of entries in the banlist that the bantracker doesn't have log if they were k-lined or not. And I don't have backlog
[12:40] <Myrtti> *bwuh*
[12:42] <Myrtti> I made it to line 63
[12:42] <Myrtti> I need to go do some laundry
[12:43]  * ikonia takes over
[12:43] <Myrtti> niko: thank you ♥ *huggles*
[12:44] <niko> you're welcome
[12:44] <ikonia> Myrtti: have you got the list your working from
[12:45] <Myrtti> ikonia: see up, the pastebin link
[12:45] <Myrtti> :49 of the past hour
[12:46] <Myrtti> I unbanned everything over two weeks old and k-lined that I could see
[12:46] <ikonia> lets see if I can pick up
[12:49] <elky> Myrtti, <3
[13:03] <jussi01> !broadcom
[13:04] <jussi01> nope, no need for the change imho
[13:17] <Dominian> Is there some reason rejohn hilighted me in here...?
[13:17] <Myrtti> Dominian: he said he had discussed with you
[13:19] <Dominian> eh
[13:19]  * jussi01 hugs Dominian
[13:20] <Dominian> discussed what with me where? lol
[13:20] <Dominian> sup jussi01 :)
[13:20]  * jussi01 hands Dominian the backlog :D
[13:20] <Myrtti> Dominian: in a pm, around 18th Dec, about his behaviour in #kubuntu
[13:20] <niko> i think he tried to be unbanned from #kubuntu
[13:20] <Dominian> ahhhh
[13:20] <Dominian> no
[13:21] <Dominian> I didn't discuss anything with him in regards to Ubuntu channels.
[13:21] <Dominian> He was spamming some sort of link across the network to some "Ubuntu" conference
[13:21] <Myrtti> X-D
[13:21] <Dominian> 12/18/09:  02:34 < rejohn>      GLOBAL UBUNTU MEETING VIA VOIP:   SUNDAY DECEMBER 20 8P-11P UTC.   At the BerkelyTIP Global All Free SW HW & Culture meeting.  Watch any of 8 talk videos: http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos .  Join the mailing list & say 'hi', & what talks you're interested in:
[13:22] <Dominian> That's what I talked to him about
[13:22] <bazhang> got that in mailing list
[13:22] <Myrtti> he said that you said that he hasn't done anything against freenode policy
[13:22] <Dominian> doesn't surprise me
[13:22] <Dominian> Myrtti: uhhhh
[13:22] <Dominian> I made it clear to him that he did violate freenode policy by spamming something across the network.. aka unsolicited advertising.
[13:23] <Dominian> Not only did I see it, but I had received complaints from other channels about that link spammage.
[13:23] <Myrtti> that's how he interpreted it
[13:23] <elky> a PITA user who lies about conversations? unfathomable.
[13:23] <Myrtti> [08:26] < rejohn> [19:45] <Dominian> rejohn: My original position based ont  he reports I recevied and witnessed is that you violated  freenode policy, that was my mistake
[13:23] <Dominian> elky: haha
[13:23] <Dominian> hrm
[13:23] <Myrtti> "that was my mistake"
[13:23] <Dominian> let me go back through my logs
[13:26] <Pici> we're still talking about this guy?!
[13:26] <Myrtti> Pici: not still, but again
[13:26] <Dominian> aha
[13:26] <Dominian> He cut off half that line
[13:27] <Dominian><PHONE_NUMBER> 03:56< Dominian> rejohn: My original position based ont he reports I recevied and witnessed is that you violated freenode policy, that was my mistake, however, you di
[13:27] <Dominian> d violate the #ubuntu channel guidelines as nalioth stated
[13:27] <Dominian> Myrtti: basically, the reports I originally received about him was multiple channels, then nalioth informed me it was just in #ubuntu-related channels.
[13:27] <Dominian> that was the "mistake" I mentioned :)
[13:27] <Myrtti> :->
[13:28] <Dominian> Yeah, I'll stop talking about him... I had totally forgotten how much of an uphill battle it was speaking to that user
[13:28] <elky> uphill? looked more like an inverse cliff to me
[13:28] <Dominian> Yeah, true true
[13:29] <Dominian> but anyway, didn't mean to bring him back up.. was more curious why he wanted me here lol
[13:30] <Myrtti> *meh*
[14:03] <Pici> jussi01: poke
[14:03] <jussi01> Pici: prod
[14:03] <Pici> jussi01: ubottu.com looks to be down
[14:03]  * jussi01 calls provider
[14:05] <gnomefreak> ok sorry for the nick changes i was trying to register a nick and was having issues
[14:12] <jussi01> Pici: looks like there was some issue (attack?) on the provider server
[14:12] <jussi01> (its a vps)
[14:12] <jpds> Awesome.
[14:12] <jussi01> hopefully back up soon
[14:19] <jussi01> hi erUSUL
[14:19] <erUSUL> aware of the dcc floods in #ubuntu ?
[14:19] <jussi01> yes
[14:19] <Pici> freenode is aware as well.
[14:19] <erUSUL> ok; probably nothing can be done but anyway
[14:19] <erUSUL> JFYI
[14:19] <erUSUL> ;). Ciao
[14:20] <Myrtti> would anyone object changing the onjoin notice to inform about the attacks and tell people to not click the link?
[14:20] <Myrtti> (not that I could change it...=
[14:20] <Myrtti> just an idea
[14:28] <tsimpson> someone should be watching the banlist, it's bound to get full
[14:29] <Pici> I'll take a look
[14:29] <Myrtti> tsimpson: I have been doing some cleaning up today
[14:29] <Myrtti> I made it to row 63 on the pastebin link I posted earlier, don't know if ikonia continued or not
[14:29] <Myrtti> do you want me to? I've got time now
[14:30] <Pici> Myrtti: If you get me the list of bans I'll unban them
[14:30] <niko> -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/356532/
[14:30] <Myrtti> of course if the bantracker is down, it's a bit difficult
[14:30] <niko> not updated with lastest K-Lined
[14:30] <Myrtti> Pici: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f665d18c0 from line 63 down
[14:31] <Pici> Myrtti: ty
[14:32] <Myrtti> http://pastebin.com/f6d8ae3f9 latest k-lined
[14:33] <Myrtti> I'd continue if the bantracker were up
[14:35] <Myrtti> and latest banned, all k-lined, I believe
[14:35] <Myrtti> http://pastebin.com/f163fa3f9
[15:11] <jpds> Can we please set +Rr in #ubuntu until this madness stops?
[15:11] <Myrtti> jpds: how would it help?
[15:11] <jpds> Myrtti: It will keep the bots out.
[15:12] <Myrtti> isn't atleast other of the modes you suggested meant to block messages sent by unregistered users to the channel?
[15:12] <Myrtti> since we had almost an hour of +R yesterday, the attack was redone to send CTCP's to individuals instead of sending direct messages to channel
[15:13] <jpds> Well +r blocks people from the channel.
[15:14] <jpds> Well, something just broke.
[15:14] <Pici> That was an odd netsplit
[15:29] <genii_> Is nickserv offline?
[15:30] <MenZa> Not on here
[15:30] <genii_> OK
[15:31]  * MenZa needs coffee.
[15:34] <genii> Ah. If you are in some channel you are not voiced in, /nick newnick fails ... shows in status buffer but no nickserv activity
[16:12] <Pici> Can we get a bot in #ubuntu please?
[16:25] <tsimpson> starting ubottu on another server
[16:28] <Myrtti> :-<
[16:28]  * tsimpson blames #ubuntu
[16:35] <tsimpson> !test
[16:37] <Pici> tsimpson: ty
[16:38] <Myrtti> fail
[16:38] <Myrtti> my brain is falling asleep
[16:49]  * MenZa slides Myrtti coffee
[17:46] <Mamarok> wow, we have two coffee providers now?
[17:48] <genii> Mamarok: MenZa is my protege ;)
[17:48] <MenZa> I am but a padawan ;)
[17:57] <Mamarok> nice to hear :)
[18:01] <genii> Theyre back
[18:01] <Myrtti> noted
[18:02] <Myrtti> I might die soon of kebab overdose
[18:02] <Pici> they?
[18:02] <Myrtti> roight
[18:02] <Myrtti> party on, party people
[18:04] <TuxOtaku> well, I'm here anyway if you feel like chewing me out. lol
[18:05] <Myrtti> would you *please* agree not to send commands like that in the future
[18:05] <TuxOtaku> sure, whatever.
[18:06] <Myrtti> they're not helpful in any way and someone might actually follow your "advice"
[18:06] <MenZa> "sure, whatever." doesn't give me the impression that you understand the rationale, or agree to it.
[18:07] <TuxOtaku> MenZa, yes, I understand the rationale. You have a channel overrun by people who have no bloody clue what they're doing, and barely even know what linux is
[18:08] <TuxOtaku> so you end up with a sort of "blind leading the blind" situation
[18:08] <Myrtti> TuxOtaku: ubuntu is aimed for everyone, and one of the methods of support is irc. that leads to that people that don't know what linux is, or don't have a clue what they are doing, are in the channel
[18:08] <MenZa> TuxOtaku: Some people call what you're doing sabotage.
[18:08] <Myrtti> it's your responsibility as one of the people with ability to "see" to guide them, not make them bump their head on 2x4
[18:09] <TuxOtaku> MenZa, that's a bit dramatic, innit?
[18:09] <MenZa> TuxOtaku: Not at all.   Especially the ones who use that command
[18:12] <Myrtti> Look, we all know it's a channel of mostly amateurs helping each other out, or atleast professionals on their coffee break or lunch hour, or free time.
[18:13] <TuxOtaku> yeah, agreed. and despite my actions, I've no ill will towards linux novices
[18:13] <Myrtti> But since Ubuntu aims to be a nice distro, with respectability, we need to aim to some quality, and perhaps a hint of professionalism. And trolling really isn't professionalism
[18:13] <Myrtti> anyway. I'm glad we agree on this. I just wanted to have a chat with you about it, and to  make sure that you know that jokes like that aren't welcome on the channel
[18:13] <TuxOtaku> but with a distribution as popular as ubuntu is, and as it HAS attracted people both familiar AND unfamiliar with Linux, would I be out of place as to making a small suggestion?
[18:14] <Myrtti> sure, go ahead. We might or might not use it :-)
[18:15] <TuxOtaku> I think it may be prudent, in the near future, to possibly fork #ubuntu into another set of two rooms, one for novices, and one for those of us that maybe have a bit more experience
[18:15] <TuxOtaku> like maybe #ubuntu for the novices
[18:15] <TuxOtaku> and #ubuntu-advanced
[18:15] <TuxOtaku> for the more experienced
[18:16] <TuxOtaku> just because there IS a veritable torrent of information being flung across the channel at any given time
[18:16] <Myrtti> TuxOtaku: unsurprisingly, your suggestion is quite old and has been presented several times over. There are bugs, blueprints and questions about it in Launchpad
[18:16] <TuxOtaku> so I take it then that an official "advanced" channel is not in the offing?
[18:16] <Myrtti> so far we've considered the benefits of the current system surpassing the cons
[18:17] <Myrtti> there is a channel for questions that aren't being answered and might need a bit more throughout knowledge to solve, alas I might have forgotten the name of it... hold on
[18:18] <MenZa> -meta, Myrtti?
[18:18] <TuxOtaku> now that being said, there's surely nothing preventing someone such as myself from creating an "unofficial" channel then, I suppose
[18:18] <Myrtti> might be
[18:19] <MenZa> TuxOtaku: If you have two hashes, then no - #ubuntu* is covered by our namespace reservation, but ##somethingubuntuy is allowed, as per Freenode's guidelines.
[18:19] <TuxOtaku> understood.
[18:19] <Myrtti> if only jussi01 would be online, he'd remember this
[18:19]  * Myrtti has kebab carb high, dozes off
[18:23] <Myrtti> I'm amazed I could pull that discussion off with him
[18:24] <Myrtti> my head is full of fluff nao
[18:32] <Myrtti> is it up yet? is it up yet? is it up yet?
[18:32] <Myrtti> is it up yet?
[18:32] <genii> Heh
[18:33] <Myrtti> IS IT UP YET?!
[18:33] <Pici> wt
[18:33] <Pici> wut
[18:34] <Myrtti> ooh, atleast ubottu seems to give the bt address, but I guess it's not up yet :-(
[18:35] <Myrtti> is it up yet?
[18:35]  * Myrtti kicks the driver seat from behind
[18:35] <Myrtti> ARE WE THERE YET?!
[18:35] <MenZa> Pici: Alpha 2, I guess :p
[18:36] <Myrtti> bt down, Myrtti sad.
[18:36] <Myrtti> it's not up yet?
[18:36] <Pici> ubottu.com is down
[18:36] <Pici> ...
[18:36] <Myrtti> :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
[18:36] <Pici> ubottu: forget ubottu.com
[18:36]  * Myrtti gives Pici a wet kiss on the cheek
[18:37] <Myrtti> *SSSSLLLUUURRRRRMPS*
[18:37]  * Pici looks for his towel
[18:41] <nhandler> Myrtti: I think (like MenZa said) you are thinking of -meta
[18:41] <tsimpson> !.com
[18:41] <tsimpson> !forget .com
[18:41] <Pici> forget com
[18:41] <tsimpson> !forget com
[18:41] <Pici> ty
[18:41] <tsimpson> strange bot
[18:42]  * tsimpson takes no responsibility for it
[19:18] <Myrtti> what on earth is this
[19:20] <Myrtti> if this is some of those "my brother is in haiti and I need you to sms to this "pay 15€ per month for a stupid ringtone" services so I'd know if he's alive..."
[19:21] <Pici> I figured it was going to be "Google wants to confirm my reigstration for X, but I need a US cell number"
[19:21] <Myrtti> oh right, I guess it would be an option
[19:23] <jussi01> never fear jussi01 is here.
[19:23] <jussi01> :D
[19:23] <genii> Yay!
[19:25] <Myrtti> !shipit
[19:25] <genii> 9.04?
[19:25] <Myrtti> !shipit ~= /!Jaunty (9.04)/current LTS and stable release/
[19:25] <Myrtti> eat catfood
[19:26] <Myrtti> oh yeah, it's not the real bot either
[19:26] <Myrtti> meh
[19:26] <Myrtti> forgot that
[19:31] <jussi01> Myrtti: also, remember we have fancy lookup variables now that automatically pull the names - see the bot usage page for more
[19:32] <Myrtti> jussi01: I'm so bloody tired the sentence you just says sounds buzzing of flies in my ears
[19:32] <Myrtti> see, english fail too
[19:32] <jussi01> lol
[19:32] <jussi01> Myrtti: go look at bot usage page for fancy goodness
[19:32] <jussi01> hows that?
[19:33] <Myrtti> jussi01: if my little brain would understand the context of your words, then it might actually mean something
[19:34] <Myrtti> but now I don't know if that is a comment to my attempt to change the factoid, or #ubuntu-meta
[19:34] <Pici> Myrtti: The bot can use things like $currentrelease to automcatically fill out the current release and whatnot
[19:34] <Myrtti> and to be honest, I don't really care
[19:34] <Myrtti> oh ok.
[19:35] <Myrtti> I guess we just ahve to wait for The Real McC^H^H^Hubottu to resurrect and deliver us from evil and let us change the factoid.
[19:35] <Myrtti> or something
[19:35] <Pici> aye
[19:36] <Myrtti> that actually made sense? wow.
[19:36] <Pici> I'm not running on much sleep, so yes.
[19:36] <jussi01> nebula is being evil..
[19:37] <Myrtti> jussi01: do you want me to say rawr
[19:37] <Myrtti> not that it would have too much effect
[19:37] <Myrtti> but I could try
[19:37] <Myrtti> RAWR
[19:37] <Pici> eek
[19:38] <jussi01> :D
[19:38] <jussi01> Myrtti: is there a reason you are not in bed?
[19:38] <Myrtti> jussi01: need my videocall fix, or mr. Sandman will not visit
[19:39] <Myrtti> or that's my theory of why I got so little sleep last night
[19:39] <Myrtti> no videocall makes Myrtti a sad girl
[19:39] <Pici> jussi01: and yourself?
[19:39] <jussi01> Pici: Im a super hero and its only 9.39
[19:39] <jussi01> but Myrtti said she was very tired...
[19:39] <Pici> ah
[19:40] <Myrtti> ooh, pink :-D
[19:40] <Tm_T> HI ALL!
[19:40]  * Tm_T hides
[19:40] <Pici> For some reason that reminded me that I wanted to get some things from thinkgeek's sale
[19:41] <jussi01> oooh... think geek has a sale?
[19:41] <Pici> yessir
[19:41] <Myrtti> crikey, skype soundeffect almost blew my ears off
[19:42] <jussi01> lol
[19:43] <Myrtti> it's not as bad as the pc speaker kind of thing
[19:43] <Myrtti> that leaves me deaf for couple of seconds and cursing like a sailor
[19:43] <Myrtti> (if I've happened to be wearing a headset)
[19:44] <Myrtti> jussi01: neener neener
[19:44] <Tm_T> that's like stupid meme too loud in asm then?
[19:44] <Myrtti> I already turned the volume down, lalalalalala
[19:49] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/356721/ QED, Pici
[19:49] <Pici> Myrtti: I was just going to paste it to you ;)
[19:49] <Myrtti> even *I* have an account in that damned service, and I don't remember it needing any sms stuff
[19:50] <Pici> liar
[19:51] <Myrtti> ryanCH...
[19:52] <Pici> is that 'ranch' with a southern us accent?
[19:52] <Tm_T> ...nice quitmessage
[19:52] <Myrtti> no, it's a username with a quit message that might be... yeah.
[19:53] <Pici> its a line from the Die Hard movies.
[19:53] <Tm_T> Pici: doesn't make it any better
[19:53] <Myrtti> DINGDINGDING and we have a winner!
[19:53] <Myrtti> would you like a tootsie roll?
[19:53] <Pici> Myrtti: please
[19:54]  * Myrtti sends one on Ubuntu One
[20:26] <Pici> meh
[20:26] <ikonia> watching
[20:27]  * tsimpson mumbles something about javascript not being in any HTTP standard anyway
[20:33] <ikonia> speaking to sagar in pm
[20:48] <Myrtti> [22:47] ~~~h32Lg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["9 from 10  voices in my head are talking to me "you aren't shizophren". The  10th hums the melody of tetris."]
[20:48] <Myrtti> I lol'd
[20:48] <jussi01> heh
[20:49] <Myrtti> Duncan is now humming the tune :-(
[20:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: did you see dholbachs link on FB this morning?
[20:49] <Myrtti> jussi01: I probably don't have him on facebook
[20:51] <jussi01> oh, looks like topyli just posted it also :D http://www.firstpersontetris.com/
[20:51] <topyli> jussi01, it's very weird and lots of fun :)
[20:52] <jussi01> yes, I tried this morning
[20:58] <mneptok> it's on BB
[20:59] <mneptok> personally, i prefer Tuper Tario Tros.
[20:59] <mneptok> :)
[21:11] <topyli> tuper tario is also quite awesome :)
[21:13] <genii> Carnage\ names in #k keep ping-ponging off each other on nick-collision
[21:15] <Myrtti> is Rob215 pulling our leg?
[21:19]  * Myrtti finally goes to bed! -->
[21:32] <tsimpson> I knew that would happen
[21:37] <tsimpson> !test
[21:37] <ubott2> yes, I'm alive.
[22:25] <ikonia> floodbot's going nuts
[22:37] <Mamarok> oh my, rejohn is annoying the guys from Camp KDE now...
[22:37] <Mamarok> trying to get a talk in a schedule that is full since almost 2 months
[22:50] <LjL> by the way, i'm working on getting them to stop the ops calls and channel locking
[22:50] <LjL> be patient
[22:55]  * ikonia is patient
[23:35] <gord> was just about to bring that up myself


[01:11] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: I see your in #oscommerce, mind answering a couple of dumb getting started questions for me? XD
[02:26] <Azelphur> gah, does anyone else have a disappearing text cursor in gedit?
[02:26] <Azelphur> it's driving me insane, keeps happening, never been able to find a bug report on it or anything
[02:40] <Azelphur> and nautilus keeps refusing to take text entry too


[01:45] <OvenWerks> camotherapy123: Ya thats odd, it goes to a facebook page? private at that so I can't see it.
[01:49] <OvenWerks> should be mypaint.org
[05:04] <ErichEickmeyer> camotherapy123: Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed the URL and it points to the proper place now. Good catch!
[21:50] <studio-user126> hello


[02:12] <n8ofsp8ds> hey guys i need your help with hdmin for ubuntu
[02:12] <n8ofsp8ds> the resolution wont adjust right
[02:13] <n8ofsp8ds> and no sound
[02:15] <n8ofsp8ds> anybody
[02:31] <pseudosmart> does anyone know how to install a patch in 10.04? I keep getting hunks failed?
[02:32] <aveilleux> pseudosmart: Can you give some context?
[02:32] <pseudosmart> I'm trying to install a patch to make my internal microphone work. But I keep getting 44 of 44 hunks failes
[02:32] <pseudosmart> failed
[02:33] <aveilleux> pseudosmart: By "context" I meant what program is returning that error
[02:34] <pseudosmart> the terminal. Is that what you mean?
[02:34] <aveilleux> pseudosmart: No. What program are you running to initiate the patch that returns the "hunks failed" error
[03:42] <small> hello
[03:42] <small> i need some help on networking a shared file
[03:43] <stlsaint> small: i can try and help
[03:44] <stlsaint> you running samba?
[03:44] <small> i have ashared file and the program i am using needs the path to the shared file
[03:44] <small> i think so when i shared the file it says the shared file is smb:\ubuntulinux
[03:45] <small> ubuntulinux is the name of my computer
[03:46] <small> the name of the shared file is pos2 and is located on the ubuntu desktop
[03:47] <small> this program needs the path to the shared file
[03:49] <head_victim> small: should be //ip.address.of.host/sharename
[03:49] <stlsaint> small: what is the user name of the desktop where the file is
[03:49] <head_victim> Off the top of my head. If you have the dns set up right you could just use //hostname/sharename
[03:50] <small> the file is at /home/bradley/Desktop/pos2
[03:52] <small> when i go to network is says smb://ubuntulinux
[03:52] <stlsaint> small: well that is the entire path that you want to tell that program
[03:52] <small> when i put that path in it says path does not exist
[03:52] <stlsaint> append on the rest of that path to smb://ubuntulinux
[03:57] <small> maybe not work like that this is dos software running on dosemu
[03:58] <small> would it have to be networked through dosemu
[04:00] <Caelte> when I double click on a script it opens edit instead off giving me the option to run as a script. can anyone help me get that back?
[04:01] <Caelte> that should be opens gedit
[04:02] <head_victim> Caelte: a single script or all scripts?
[04:03] <Caelte> everything goes to gedit
[04:08] <head_victim> Caelte: ah odd, I was thinking you might have accidentally made one of them non executable which is what I've done in the past causing that exact symptom
[04:10] <Caelte> and how did you fix that?
[04:10] <head_victim> Right click the file, go to properties, then go to the permissions tab and tick the "allow executing file as a program"
[04:10] <stlsaint> Caelte: you need to chmod that file
[04:11] <head_victim> Or you can use cli to chmod it
[04:11] <stlsaint> Caelte: in terminal: sudo chmod u+x /name/of/file
[04:12] <Caelte> thank you - under properties it was not executable, now it is and now it runs
[04:17] <Caelte> thanks again guys, have a great night
[04:17] <stlsaint> l8er
[06:34] <Sqorck> Hello?
[06:36] <AndrewMC> Hello Sqorck
[06:36] <AndrewMC> !hi
[06:36] <ubot2> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-beginners! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[06:38] <Sqorck> I need some help, I just installed Ubuntu on a partition on my vista laptops HDD and for some reason grub wont boot in to windows vista
[06:39] <Sqorck> I think what happend in the install I set my windows partition to be the bootloader and now everytime I try to pick the vista option in grub it just restarts grub
[06:40] <Sqorck> here is the data from fdisk -l
[06:40] <Sqorck> Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>96 bytes
[06:40] <Sqorck> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
[06:40] <Sqorck> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:40] <Sqorck> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[06:40] <Sqorck> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[06:40] <Sqorck> Disk identifier: 0x98b977c6
[06:41] <Sqorck> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[06:41] <Sqorck> /dev/sda1 * 1 16579 133169676 7 HPFS/NTFS
[06:41] <Sqorck> /dev/sda2 16579 19458 23119873 5 Extended
[06:41] <Sqorck> /dev/sda5 16579 17066 3905536 82 Linux swap / Solaris
[06:41] <Sqorck> /dev/sda6 17066 18889 14647296 83 Linux
[06:41] <Sqorck> /dev/sda7 18889 19458 4564992 83 Linux
[06:43] <Sqorck> Anyone know what I can do? AndrewMC?
[06:44] <AndrewMC> Sorry idk much about grub
[06:44] <AndrewMC> !grub
[06:44] <ubot2> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[06:44] <gmail> hello
[06:44] <AndrewMC> Try that out
[06:44] <AndrewMC> !hi | gmail
[06:44] <ubot2> gmail: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-beginners! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[06:45] <gmail> can some help me, the flashplayer can't reads tips in youtube !!?
[06:45] <AndrewMC> Do the videos play
[06:45] <gmail> AndrewMC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPGWktguAtM
[06:46] <gmail> see the tips on video
[06:46] <gmail> I can't read it character
[06:46] <AndrewMC> Huh
[06:47] <gmail> also, wait any video fisinh and got the list of videos also I can't read it :/
[06:47] <gmail> just english I can , other english can't
[06:47] <AndrewMC> Is your zoom messed up
[06:49] <AndrewMC> !grub2 | Sqorck
[06:49] <ubot2> Sqorck: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[06:51] <hobgoblin> morning
[06:52] <AndrewMC> !hi | hobgoblin
[06:52] <ubot2> hobgoblin: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-beginners! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[06:52] <[sleepy]> its 10:52 here wtf
[06:52] <[sleepy]> lol
[06:52] <hobgoblin> AndrewMC: up till a few months ago I was voiced in here and a member of BT - I know the drill :)
[06:53] <AndrewMC> Oh sorry
[06:53] <[sleepy]> lol
[06:53] <hobgoblin> and it's probably best not to just whack a factoid at people ;)
[06:54] <gmail> AndrewMC: what's the meaning for massedup ?
[06:54] <AndrewMC> I know but iPhone you know much easier to go !hi then to type it all out
[06:54] <hobgoblin> pfft - phones are for talking on - and now I've given away my age :D
[06:54] <AndrewMC> gmail: Meant messed up sorry
[06:54] <AndrewMC> hobgoblin: Lol
[06:55] <hobgoblin> is there someone here with grub issues?
[06:55] <AndrewMC> hobgoblin: Yes
[06:55] <hobgoblin> did they get sorted?
[06:56] <AndrewMC> Sqorck is have issues and it's not my area of expertise so I hoped the factoid could help him but he is still here
[06:56] <gmail> AndrewMC: no
[06:56] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: ping
[06:56] <gmail> zoom default
[06:56] <Sqorck> umm
[06:57] <Sqorck> yeah I still need some help
[06:57] <hobgoblin> hi Sqorck - what's your problem then?
[06:57] <Sqorck> I have vista installed on my laptops HDD and I freed up some space to add Ubuntus partitions. I went through the install and at the last part where you set the bootloader to a partition it got set to my vista partition, so it put grub on my vista partition and now when I boot grub comes up and I can boot in to Ubuntu but when I try to boot in to windows it just restarts grub.
[06:58] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: ok - you know how to use paste.ubuntu.com?
[06:58] <Sqorck> no, im really new to linux and all this
[06:58] <hobgoblin> !paste | Sqorck
[06:58] <ubot2> Sqorck: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[06:59] <Sqorck> Ah ok
[06:59] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: I'm going to give you a command to run in the terminal - that is in apps - accessories, run that and then paste ALL of it to paste.ubuntu.com - put a name in the name box - hit paste and give us the new url
[07:00] <gmail> can I change the character for flashplayer !?!
[07:00] <Sqorck> ok
[07:01] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: sudo fdisk -l && cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:02] <Sqorck> Yeah I already have that in a text file hold on..
[07:02] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: then I want you to do this - sudo update-grub && cat /boot/grub/grub.dfg
[07:03] <Sqorck> Ok here is the first http://paste.ubuntu.com/488159/
[07:05] <Sqorck> here is what I got from putting in the other line http://paste.ubuntu.com/488161/
[07:06] <hobgoblin> typo on my part there - it is early ... should be grub.cfg
[07:07] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: but don't worry for the moment - run this one and it's only one line returns so just paste the result here please
[07:08] <hobgoblin> sudo blkid |grep /dev/sda1
[07:08] <Sqorck>  /dev/sda1: UUID="78BE6059BE601244" TYPE="ntfs"
[07:09] <hobgoblin> k - thanks Sqorck - give me a little while to look
[07:09] <Sqorck> okay
[07:14] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: ok - want to add a custom entry to try that - so open the file for editing gksudo gedit /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[07:14] <Sqorck> alright open.
[07:15] <hobgoblin> http://ubft.pastebin.com/NnS9EFdn
[07:16] <hobgoblin> paste that in to the file - I assume it is empty at the moment
[07:16] <Sqorck> yeah, it has instructions but thats it
[07:16] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: then save and close and run sudo update-grub
[07:17] <Sqorck> Okay saved it
[07:18] <Sqorck> ok its "done"
[07:18] <hobgoblin> whne you run update-grub it will not look any different as the custom entries don't echo afaik - do the cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg again - look right at the bottom and makes sure it is there
[07:18] <hobgoblin> when you've checked - reboot and see if it works
[07:18] <hobgoblin> I'll be about - ping me - though I might be making tea :)
[07:19] <Sqorck> hold on
[07:19] <Sqorck> that last part though me for a loop
[07:19] <Sqorck> I have no clue what echo afaik is
[07:21] <hobgoblin> :) afaik - as far as I know and by echo I mean that though update-grub will see it. it will not show on the screen
[07:21] <hobgoblin> and what do you mean by loop - you rebooted and it didn't work?
[07:22] <Sqorck> like when I picked the vista option it would just go black for a sec then load grub up again
[07:24] <Sqorck> ok now it looks like the windows vista (loader) (on /dev/sda1) is there
[07:24] <hobgoblin> the new option does the same as the old one?
[07:24] <Sqorck> im going to reboot
[07:24] <hobgoblin> ok
[07:24] <hobgoblin> the last option will be at the bottom
[07:29] <Sqorck> Okay yeah they both do the same
[07:30] <Sqorck> | hobgoblin
[07:31] <hobgoblin> mmm
[07:33] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: when you installed did you resize the vista partition with the vista disk manager or in the ubuntu livecd?
[07:34] <Sqorck> vista disk manager then set up all the ubuntu partitions manually.
[07:35] <hobgoblin> k
[07:37] <Sqorck> I was trying to do my best not to mess up anything on the vista side of things.
[07:37] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: can you go here and download the file - http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[07:37] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: yea - I understand that :)
[07:37] <Sqorck> Done
[07:38] <hobgoblin> assuming that the file downloads to the desktop, in a terminal chmod +x boot<tab>
[07:38] <hobgoblin> using the tab key willautocomplete the name
[07:38] <hobgoblin> then once that has done - sudo ./boot<tab>
[07:39] <hobgoblin> there will be a text doc on the desktop - copy all of that to paste.ubuntu.com
[07:40] <Sqorck> hmm tab didnt do anything
[07:41] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: where did the file download to?
[07:41] <hobgoblin> oh foo - my fault, if it is on the desktop then cd Desktop first
[07:41] <Sqorck> tmp but I save as it to the dt
[07:44] <Sqorck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488170/
[07:51] <Sqorck> hobgoblin: so, I probably should have put your name in the post with the link huh. I'm not used to irc chats :-[
[07:52] <hobgoblin> sorry - I was reading it :) but it is best to put people's name
[07:52] <Sqorck> Oh
[07:53] <Sqorck> Yeah I'll try to remember that for all the important stuff.
[08:01] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: well I can't see anything in any of the files that should stop it working
[08:03] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: this could go round in circles - do you have the vista dvd?
[08:04] <Sqorck> no I never got one with my laptop
[08:04] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: ok - I am going to suggest that you reinstall the vista bootloader, check that vista works and then reinstall the ubuntu bootloader
[08:05] <hobgoblin> though it is feasible to add ubuntu to the vista bootloader I think
[08:05] <Sqorck> hobgoblin: how do I reinstall the vista bootloader?
[08:05] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/
[08:06] <Sqorck> hobgoblin:  oh boy I did all that, ended in aggravation.
[08:07] <hobgoblin> it's the only way I know of to reinstall the bootloader without the install disc
[08:07] <Sqorck> I couldnt get the image file to burn to a dvd so I used a cd and then I got nothing but errors trying to load it.
[08:09] <hobgoblin> oic - that sort of aggro - try with supergrub - http://www.supergrubdisk.org/2010/08/20/sg2d-downloads-20100820/
[08:09] <hobgoblin> did you try downloading the neosmart thing again?
[08:10] <Sqorck> 3 times
[08:10] <hobgoblin> lol
[08:10] <Sqorck> I have been trying to fix this for the past 2 days
[08:11] <hobgoblin> try supergrub - if that doesn't burn - then I would wonder at hardware issues - where are you burning the iso? in ubuntu
[08:12] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: did you post a thread on the forum at all?
[08:14] <Sqorck> No I have a hard time explaining stuff. over forums it just takes forever for me to get what I am trying to say across.
[08:15] <hobgoblin> might have been worth it - you'd have had answers by now - and the forum is new people friendly
[08:15] <hobgoblin> anyway - try supergrub
[08:15] <Sqorck> Yeah I am
[08:16] <Sqorck> Rage I guess Ubuntu just doesn't like my dvds.
[08:16] <Sqorck> trying cds
[08:16] <hobgoblin> brasero?
[08:16] <Sqorck> yeah
[08:17] <hobgoblin> I'll not say it works fine for me ...
[08:18] <Sqorck> Yeah but little things like that I can fix later, or find workrounds.
[08:18] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:19] <Sqorck> Alright time to see if this CD works brb
[08:24] <Sqorck> hobgoblin: well I picked detect any OS and it list ubuntu, ubuntu safemode, and vista. I picked vista and it loaded grub 2 with all the old options.
[08:24] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: I think there should be an option to resintall the vista bootloader
[08:25] <Sqorck> hobgoblin: with supper grub?
[08:25] <hobgoblin> yea
[08:25] <Sqorck> Ok ill look for it and anything else that could be useful
[08:26] <hobgoblin> hang on
[08:26] <Sqorck> ok
[08:28] <hobgoblin> in supergrub - look for a windows section - then look in there
[08:29] <Sqorck> okay, anything else?
[08:29] <hobgoblin> after you've done that you can either reinstall grub or add the neosmart boot thingy to add ubuntu to the vista boot menu
[08:30] <hobgoblin> at the moment let's just try and get vista booting again
[08:30] <Sqorck> ok so just add the neosmart bootloader
[08:31] <Sqorck> ?
[08:31] <hobgoblin> have a go now - if you have no irc client in vista - http://webchat.freenode.net/
[08:31] <Sqorck> I have one.
[08:31] <Sqorck> brb
[08:31] <hobgoblin> I think so - http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/EasyBCD+Documentation+Home
[08:33] <hobgoblin> I really hate grub2 when it goes wrong :(
[08:35] <seidos> i haven't really had grub2 go wrong, other stuff has, but not grub2
[08:42] <hobgoblin> seidos: me neither - bit others have and grub legacy was easier to work with :)  did you look at any of the pastes at all?
[08:42] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: well?
[08:43] <seidos> pastes?  no, i'm reading literature
[08:43] <hobgoblin> I wish I was :)
[08:43] <Sqorck> hobgoblin: well that was unproductive, I tried all the options there non did anything and didnt say anything about windows or neosmart
[08:43] <seidos> i'm just peaking in here from time to time, to see if there is anything i can do to help
[08:44] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: ok - well I have only 2 things left to try then I will have to give up
[08:44] <Sqorck> okay
[08:44] <hobgoblin> gksudo gedit /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[08:44] <Sqorck> sry this is so problematic.
[08:45] <hobgoblin> find the line search --no-floppy --fs-uuid  and delete it - then save and run sudo update-grub again
[08:45] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: not your fault :)
[08:45] <hobgoblin> then try a reboot
[08:46] <Sqorck> the full line?
[08:46] <Sqorck> --set 78be6059be601244 is there too
[08:46] <hobgoblin> yep - whole line
[08:46] <Sqorck> ok
[08:47] <seidos> hobgoblin, should he make a backup of the file before making the change?
[08:47] <hobgoblin> seidos: it's the same as the -30 file with another line added
[08:47] <seidos> i should probably poke around in /etc/grub.d before opening my mouth
[08:48] <Sqorck> ok restarting
[08:48] <hobgoblin> seidos: and it's only the custom file anyway - and neither work lol
[08:48] <seidos> hobgoblin, i'm still used to menu.lst.  grub2 is yet another mystery to unravel
[08:49] <hobgoblin> yea - I loved grub - so easy to work with :)
[08:49] <hobgoblin> drs305 is on holiday - I'm sure he'd know what it is :D
[08:49] <seidos> maybe it's true what they say, the sequel is never as good as the original
[08:50] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha
[08:50] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: a no I assume
[08:50] <seidos> hmmm, looks like a bunch of bash in grub.d
[08:50] <Sqorck> :-(
[08:50] <hobgoblin> seidos: it is all like that :(
[08:52] <Sqorck> Is seidos trying to help or just laughing at how hard my computer fails?
[08:52] <seidos> Sqorck, i am trying to learn it, so that maybe i can help another person
[08:52] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: the only other thing I would suggest is booting the livecd and then reinstalling grub - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202  use method3
[08:52] <seidos> Sqorck, trust me, i am not laughing at computer problems.  i like when they work :)
[08:53] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: grub2 is fairly new and it is not as easy to work with as grub was :(
[08:53] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: I keep waiting to use one of the 'advanced features' in grub2 in order to feel better about justifying its increased complexity
[08:54] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: I have managed to get an iso on the menu and it boots - partedmagic - that was useful
[08:54] <hobgoblin> you can in fact add the buntu iso = boot's quicker than with a cd
[08:55] <duanedesign> huh
[08:55] <duanedesign> net
[08:55] <duanedesign> err, neat
[08:57] <Sqorck> Okay Im going to go try
[08:58] <hobgoblin> I am more or less positive that there is nothing wrong with the grub files
[08:59] <duanedesign> their is starting to be a few more resources out their, but drs305's guide on grub2 was a godsend for awhile
[09:03] <hobgoblin> yea - absolutely
[09:03] <seidos> maybe i should read it
[09:05] <hobgoblin> seidos: probably worth it :)
[09:05] <hobgoblin> I find in this channel that people turn off as soon as grub is mentioned :D
[09:05] <seidos> well, i don't know.  i spent quite a bit of time studying python, and today i had an idea for a very simple program, and i couldn't remember any syntax
[09:05] <seidos> so i'll probably read it and forget it
[09:05] <seidos> heh
[09:06] <hobgoblin> it's all voodoo to me anyway - all of it - and bash is something I do with a hammer
[09:06] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 i think this is the one that has been kept up with. Their is also one on wiki.ubuntu.com as well as the Forums
[09:07] <seidos> hobgoblin, yeah, no kidding.  a sledgehammer.
[09:07] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: lol
[09:07] <seidos> duanedesign, yeah, that's the one i found in the forums. thanks
[09:08] <seidos> huh, i have ver 1.97beta4 i guess i don't have grub 2 X_x
[09:08] <hobgoblin> could always get squork to revert to legacy- but I don't really think that will deal with the issue - just paper over the cracks
[09:09] <seidos> i scrolled up quite a bit, am i right that the problem is he can't boot into windows?
[09:09] <hobgoblin> seidos: yep - I think that grub2 will be beta for as long as grub was
[09:09] <hobgoblin> yep
[09:10] <seidos> hmmm, booting up windows from the cd should fix that.  but he has no cd, huh?
[09:10] <seidos> isn't the command fixmbr supposed to fix that?  that's what all the windows tests i've taken said.  heh
[09:10] <hobgoblin> indeed - and trying to burn the vista recovery disc was a problem it seems
[09:10] <hobgoblin> and supergrub didn't do the job either
[09:11] <seidos> i haven't heard of neosmart before
[09:11] <seidos> looks like they have a tool too
[09:11] <hobgoblin> I really have no idea why people do not burn the recovery disc when they first get it
[09:11] <seidos> they're cheap
[09:11] <hobgoblin> seidos: he tried that - that was the burn issue he had
[09:12] <seidos> for awhile i didn't have my own ubuntu live cd burned
[09:12] <seidos> i only had moon os
[09:12] <seidos> though, it was a learning experience trying to mess around with moon os and make it look like ubuntu
[09:12] <hobgoblin> seidos: I have so many iso's kicking about that it is ridiculous :)
[09:13] <seidos> hobgoblin, i need to get my usb flash drive back.  i'll just keep an iso of choice on there.  probably karmic.  i've had bad luck with lucid
[09:13] <seidos> maybe it's my karma :)
[09:13] <hobgoblin> heh
[09:13] <hobgoblin> I have lucid on 3 boxes here, not a problem with any of them
[09:13] <seidos> well this is a cool feature "boot livecd iso images directly from hard drive" X_x
[09:14] <seidos> any laptops?
[09:14] <hobgoblin> it works too
[09:14] <seidos> what brand?
[09:14] <hobgoblin> no - all desktop's
[09:14] <seidos> oh
[09:14] <hobgoblin> I make my own from stuff I get given or rescue - I am tight :)
[09:14] <seidos> the lucid live cd i burned wouldn't even boot
[09:15] <seidos> i am much thriftier now than i used to be.  i should still be using my old desktop, actually.  but, i don't know...maybe the choices i've made haven't been all bad
[09:26] <Sqorck> That was fun...
[09:27] <Sqorck> hobgoblin: So that was the last thing you knew to try?
[09:27] <hobgoblin> yep
[09:27] <hobgoblin> I guess you got nowhere then
[09:28] <Sqorck> Not really
[09:29] <hobgoblin> I'm not going to be anymore help here - I think you should try a forum post.
[09:30] <Sqorck> Is there anyway to fully uninstall grub from my windows partition?
[09:30] <Sqorck> other than the windows disk
[09:31] <hobgoblin> the neosmart recovery disc is the only other way I know of - I was sure that supergrub had the option, but obviously it doesn't any longer
[09:33] <Sqorck> I guess I'll try more stuff.
[09:33] <hobgoblin> when you tried the neosmart recovery disc and you got loads of text - what sort of thing was it saying?
[09:33] <Sqorck> it just gave me errors
[09:33] <hobgoblin> maybe boot with it if you have a camera, take a pic and post it
[09:34] <Sqorck> ok I'll try that
[09:34] <hobgoblin> very hard to diagnose an issue with something you;ve never seen with no concrete info :)
[09:34] <hobgoblin> I hate not helping :(
[09:40] <seidos> hobgoblin, i know the feeling, but i also hate not sleeping.  good luck in your efforts.
[09:40] <hobgoblin> good night seidos :)
[09:48] <Sqorck> hobgoblin see if you can see this http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs303.ash2/58335_423510543340_699513340_4994654_3017103_n.jpg
[09:48] <Sqorck> if not ill upload em some where else
[09:49] <hobgoblin> no - I can see that - so is that the neosmart vista recovery thing?
[09:49] <Sqorck> no this is grub ah' la super
[09:50] <Sqorck> but I do have images of the neodumb
[09:50] <hobgoblin> oh - why don't ou paste all the image links to a paste.ubuntu and I will have a look
[09:51] <Sqorck> there arnt too many
[09:51] <Sqorck> this is what I first get http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs412.snc4/47485_423516338340_699513340_4994821_3484689_n.jpg
[09:52] <hobgoblin> with the neosmart disc?
[09:52] <Sqorck> yes
[09:52] <Sqorck> then I hit enter and get this http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs311.ash2/59137_423516463340_699513340_4994822_1082024_n.jpg
[09:53] <hobgoblin> k - post stuff and I will look
[09:53] <Sqorck> if I hit enter after that it restarts
[09:54] <Sqorck> if I hit tab and enter it gives me an error, I'll post an image when it uploads
[09:56] <Sqorck> Oh never mind it just gives me the same error/puts me back to the start.
[09:56] <hobgoblin> ok - when you've done that I'd be interested to see what is going on with supergrub
[09:57] <hobgoblin> hi ikt
[09:58] <ikt> heya hobgoblin  :D
[09:58] <ikt> how are you?
[09:58] <hobgoblin> fed up with grub2 ;)
[09:59] <Sqorck> I would bet not happy with my pos pc
[09:59] <hobgoblin> other than that all is well
[09:59] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: ha ha ha
[10:02] <Sqorck> Would "Reverting to GRUB Legacy" do any good?
[10:02] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: do you have anymore supergrub images
[10:02] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: it might
[10:04] <Sqorck> No, anytime I selected anything it just brought me back the the supergrub menu or gave an error quick like or took me to grub 2
[10:04] <hobgoblin> fresh out of ideas then
[10:06] <hobgoblin> sorry Sqorck - but unless anyone else has any ideas I would suggest a post on the forum
[10:06] <Sqorck> ima' try reverting to grub legacy
[10:07] <hobgoblin> k
[10:14] <Sqorck> Man thats so strange
[10:16] <Sqorck> I start it up and grub 1 is there with one option "Vista" so I pick it and it loads grub 2 up... I just deleted grub 2.
[10:59] <hobgoblin> Sqorck: then I would think that grub did not install completely
[12:21] <hobgoblin> hi there meindian523
[12:25] <meindian523> hi hobgoblin
[12:25] <meindian523> wassup?
[12:27] <hobgoblin> not too much  - saturday lunch time - resting just in case I get busy later :)
[12:27] <meindian523> nice
[12:27]  * meindian523 is pretty paranoid right now
[12:28] <hobgoblin> how are you - not seen you about much
[12:28] <hobgoblin> oh dear
[12:28] <meindian523> hobgoblin, yeah, been in and out, but not too much on IRC nowadays
[12:28] <meindian523> hi mistrynitesh
[12:29]  * meindian523 checked Google's dashboard about information Google has about him
[12:29] <hobgoblin> meindian523: it's not the same around these parts any longer
[12:29] <mistrynitesh_> meindian523: hi
[12:29] <meindian523> found quite a bit, and wondering how to delete the stuff
[12:29] <meindian523> hobgoblin, hmm, how so?
[12:29] <hobgoblin> don't worry about what google know - it's what the gov'ts know that counts
[12:29] <meindian523> mistrynitesh, no publick key on your website man
[12:30] <meindian523> hobgoblin, well, don't want a patriot something to get what Google know into government's hands yeah?
[12:30] <mistrynitesh_> meindian523: public key?
[12:30] <meindian523> mistrynitesh, yep, your public key
[12:31] <mistrynitesh_> you mean gpg public key in contact info?
[12:31] <meindian523> evolution keeps complaining that a key was found but can't verify because the public key isn't available
[12:31] <meindian523> mistrynitesh, yeah
[12:31] <mistrynitesh_> meindian523: will put it today
[12:31] <meindian523> hobgoblin, I think you know I'm in the US now?
[12:31] <meindian523> mistrynitesh, :)
[12:31] <hobgoblin> meindian523: no I didn't know that
[12:32] <meindian523> hobgoblin, am, for graduate school
[12:32] <mistrynitesh_> meindian523: thanks for reminding! :)
[12:32] <meindian523> in UK English, I should say postgraduate maybe
[12:32] <meindian523> mistrynitesh, no problem
[12:33] <meindian523> Masters level programs are called postgraduate everywhere except the US, correct?
[12:35] <vu1kan> <<sudo ntfsundelete /dev/sdb1 -umf *.avi -d /dev/sda1/DrWho/>> is there anything wrong with my syntax?
[12:39] <meindian523> vu1kan, nothing obvious, as far as I can see
[12:40] <vu1kan> meindian523: thanx much
[12:43] <rocka> Hi, can anyone tell me how to run a command at a set time every day for 7 days?
[12:43] <meindian523> rocka, cron
[12:43] <rocka> for example, streamripper [url, etc]
[12:44] <rocka> thanks meindian, going to go google cron now... :)
[12:49] <DOM__> Hello World?
[12:49] <DOM__> i'm new
[12:50] <DOM__> how do I copy files in the terminal?
[12:51] <vu1kan> cp [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY
[12:52] <DOM__> what is the [option]?
[12:52] <vu1kan> it's indicating where you'd specify any options you want to pass to the command
[12:53] <DOM__> ok, kinda makes sense
[12:53] <vu1kan> open a terminal and type <info cp> for more details.  press <q> to exit that
[12:54] <DOM__> is there a page where i can have a table with meanings for commands vs command names that is beginner friendly?
[12:56] <vu1kan> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ < this might be a good place to start
[12:57] <zeroseven0183> DOM__ If a Terminal is already open on your desktop, you can type "man cp"
[12:57] <zeroseven0183> That will show brief description for each
[12:58] <zeroseven0183> arguments in the command line for cp
[12:58] <zeroseven0183> *each argument
[12:58] <DOM__> seems like it does show me info about the copy command
[12:58] <zeroseven0183> Still, the best place to start is the Ubuntu Manual
[12:58] <DOM__> but not all commands
[12:59] <zeroseven0183> the "man cp" is only a manual page for the Copy command
[13:00] <DOM__> how do i get to the ubuntu manual?
[13:00] <zeroseven0183> Meaning, to get the descriptions for other commands, for example, "ifconfig" (the Unix equivalent command of ipconfig in Windows") -- you type man ifconfig
[13:00] <zeroseven0183> Go to the link vu1kan posted, you can download a copy for free
[13:01] <DOM__> oh, i overlooked, sorry
[13:03] <zeroseven0183> ;-)
[13:03] <DOM__> Thank you guys!
[13:03] <DOM__> =]
[13:03] <zeroseven0183> Sure. Enjoy!
[13:04] <DOM__> on a other note: how good is wine instead of native windows for games
[13:05] <zeroseven0183> Hmmm... I really don't do much gaming Ubuntu (and Windows). But the new version of Wine is pretty stable
[13:05] <pabstsmear> I have an intel GMA 4500 graphics card and I have been reading they are kind of troublesome.  Mine keeps glitching out.  shooting some weird static across the screen.  Would anybody recommend something like this: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-latest-intel-driver-2.12-on-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx  ...  I really don't want to have to migrate back to a windows based operating system.
[13:06] <meindian523> DOM__, really depends n which games you want
[13:07] <DOM__> i have a lot of steam games
[13:07] <pabstsmear> also its interesting to note that I can do some modelling in blender without too much trouble, though nothing super high-poly.
[13:07] <meindian523> hmm
[13:07] <DOM__> modern warfare 2 would be an example
[13:07] <geirha> DOM__: http://appdb.winehq.org/  Search for your games there
[13:07]  * meindian523 googles Wine's compatibility database
[13:08] <meindian523> ah,thanks geirha
[13:08] <geirha> If they get gold or platinum rating, it means they work well with wine
[13:09] <DOM__> thank you, that website is exactly what i wanted.
[13:10] <zeroseven0183> Modern Warfare 2 is here http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=18348
[13:10] <zeroseven0183> And it's Gold in rating :-)
[13:11] <DOM__> good
[13:12] <DOM__> what would be a good video converter that supports multi-core/-thread and has a GUI?
[13:15] <zeroseven0183> DOM__ you can try WinFF
[13:15] <zeroseven0183> It's in the Ubuntu Software Center
[13:16] <geirha> DOM__: Applications -> Ubuntu software center -> Search for «video converter». I haven't tried any of them, but you can just install them, try, then uninstall if they don't do the job.
[13:16] <DOM__> that's one thing i REALLY apprechiate:
[13:17] <DOM__> uninstalling is easy, and you don't have to bother with"your trial has expired"
[13:17] <zeroseven0183> Right
[13:31] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[13:32] <zeroseven0183> Good evening, duanedesign
[13:33] <hobgoblin> hello again duanedesign
[13:37] <DOM__> I just tested Winff and it does not use multiple cores (wich is what i want). any suggestions?
[15:56] <sebsebseb> Hi
[16:10] <duanedesign> hey there sebsebseb
[16:11] <sebsebseb> duanedesign: hey
[19:04] <harrisonk> Hello
[19:05] <harrisonk> What should I do when it looks as though the X server is crashing the system?
[19:13] <bobo123> does it crash directly when you start ubuntu, or when you are using a certain program?
[19:47] <iceflatline> Any twitter client recommendations?  I've had it with Gwibber.
[19:51] <harrisonk> bobo123 still there?
[19:52] <harrisonk> It happens when using programs not when loging in.
[20:07] <bobo123> harrisonk: oups... well still at the computer, but my mind is elsewhere :-)
[20:08] <bobo123> have you asked at the normal #ubuntu channel allso, or country specific one, btw?
[20:09] <bobo123> wich program makes X crash for you, or any of them??
[20:34] <harrisonk> bobo123: its a friend of mind that has the problem, I tried spining the cube and it crashed, I tried adjusting the WM preferences and it crashed (I was visting her house that is why I said "I did")
[20:34] <harrisonk> off somewhere I will be back.
[21:36] <IdleOne> alkisg: Welcome! feel free to idle and help out when you can :)
[21:36] <alkisg> Thanks for the tip :)
[21:36] <IdleOne> sure thing
[21:39] <zkriesse> IdleOne: ah hi?
[21:40] <zkriesse> alkisg: Hello...
[21:40] <IdleOne> hello zkriesse
[21:40] <alkisg> Hi
[21:41] <IdleOne> zkriesse: alkisg was looking for a channel #edubuntu can refer new users to irc and ubuntu. I suggested this channel
[21:41] <zkriesse> IdleOne: Ah.....
[21:41] <zkriesse> alkisg: Well welcome!
[21:41] <zkriesse> IdleOne: Thanks dude..good recommendation
[21:41] <alkisg> Thanks, good to find you
[21:41] <zkriesse> alkisg: ha....
[21:42] <IdleOne> zkriesse: figured this channel is a good place to get people used to irc and also ask for some help with ubuntu :)
[21:42] <alkisg> I've been hearing lots of people having problems getting used to all the traffic in ubuntu, this seems much less overwhelming for a new user :)
[21:42] <zkriesse> alkisg: it is indeed
[21:43] <zkriesse> alkisg: #ubuntu is quite the overwhelming channel...ESPECIALLY if you're just starting out with ubuntu and IRC
[21:44] <zkriesse> alkisg: Just so ya know this is the Beginners Team help channel. If you wanna just chat/get to know the team /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[21:44] <zkriesse> That's where all the "fun" is :)
[21:45] <alkisg> Heh
[21:45] <alkisg> Nice, thank you
[21:45] <zkriesse> alkisg: Yup
[21:45] <zkriesse> alkisg: So do you run any teams or such?
[21:45] <alkisg> I'm in a government team trying to put (ed)ubuntu in greek schools...
[21:46] <zkriesse> Ah
[21:46] <zkriesse> Very nice
[21:46] <alkisg> We're doing fine so far, I hope we can do a lot more in a few years
[21:46] <zkriesse> Is there a channel for it on freenode?
[21:46] <alkisg> #linux.sch.gr
[21:46] <alkisg> Unofficial
[21:46] <zkriesse> alkisg: Ah if it's an unofficial channel then you need to use ## not #
[21:47] <zkriesse> otherwise freenode will require you to file a GRF (Group Registration Form)
[21:47] <alkisg> Another person applied for the channel, I don't know the details, I'll tell him to take care of that.
[21:47] <zkriesse> alkisg: Ok just thought I'd let ya know
[21:48] <alkisg> I was wondering why sed is ##sed... thank you for mentioning it :)
[21:48] <zkriesse> :)
[22:09] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: i heard seidos mention that you'd recommended a separate /boot partition and i wanted to ask what the reasons for doing that are.
[22:11]  * meindian523 recommends it too but forgot the document which persuaded him to go for separate /boot s
[22:20] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: sup
[22:20] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: its more for a better setup for reinstallation
[22:21] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: if you have boot problems you can easily reinstall your boot files without touching your personal data partition
[22:21] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: then if you need to fresh install you just reinstall the /boot and / and you never touch data
[22:22] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: primarily is to keep your /home partition away from all the reinstall/troubleshooting procedures...at least it is for me
[22:23] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: was it you that i was talking to about with usign the multiboot thing over vbox?
[23:22] <stlsaint> pleia2: poke
[23:22] <pleia2> stlsaint: hey
[23:22] <stlsaint> Joeb454: poke
[23:22] <stlsaint> fail
[23:23] <stlsaint> pleia2: hey is there some type of spam attack going on with freenode?
[23:23] <pleia2> I haven't heard of anything, but I'm travelling so I haven't paid much attention
[23:24] <stlsaint> pleia2: someone by the nick of Brandie has joined the whube channel and another channel i am in and posted a message
[23:24] <stlsaint> pleia2: 22:15 -!- Brandie<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #whube
[23:24] <stlsaint> 22:15 < Brandie> Spamming is fun!  Brought to you by FreeNode. /join #freenode
[23:24] <pleia2> :\
[23:24] <pleia2> maybe report it in #freenode?
[23:25] <stlsaint> pleia2: i ask because this nick...Brandie is one of many that is being used in the latest bot that is attacking ssh servers across the net
[23:25] <stlsaint> the nick brandie that is
[23:26] <stlsaint> also another nick sebbie did the exact same thing
[23:26] <pleia2> probably unrelated, ssh attacks and spammers use similar dictionary name lists but they tend to be very different attacks
[23:26] <stlsaint> pleia2: im scared to join freenode :P scared ill be a target next or something
[23:26] <pleia2> ah, fair enough
[23:27] <stlsaint> pleia2: yea thats why i ask maybe you ubuntu leads have heard something
[23:27] <pleia2> nope, 'fraid not
[23:28] <pleia2> I think I've recovered from my redeye flight though!
[23:28] <pleia2> couldn't sleep on the plane last night, but we were able to check into the hotel early and snag a few hours of sleep :)
[23:29] <stlsaint> pleia2: you are a professional traveler!! Every month your traveling somewhere :P
[23:29] <pleia2> lol
[23:29] <pleia2> I didn't go anywhere in august!
[23:29] <stlsaint> pfft...sure you didnt
[23:30] <Joeb454> stlsaint: you poked?
[23:30] <meindian523> Brandie is also spamming in #defocus
[23:31] <stlsaint> Joeb454: hrm, i was wondering if you had came across and spam attack news today with freenod
[23:31] <meindian523> apparently related to some software called idoru which may or may not be in OSS
[23:31] <meindian523> *may or may not be OSS
[23:32] <Joeb454> stlsaint: not heard of it
[23:32] <Joeb454> I couldn't get onto freenode earlier though
[23:34] <stlsaint> yea im too much a wimp to try and join freenode right now
[23:42] <zkriesse> stlsaint: I'm in freenode
[23:42] <stlsaint> zkriesse: anything there?
[23:42] <zkriesse> eh some people refusing to go to ##comment-on-spam
[23:43] <zkriesse> People complaining about trolls
[23:43] <zkriesse> Not much just the usual bull
[23:43] <stlsaint> hrm, kk thanks zkriesse
[23:43] <zkriesse> sure..
[23:43] <zkriesse> thanks for?
[23:43] <stlsaint> the update