[17:44] <nvdrivers> ive tried to purge and reinstall, but after reboot i get "NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with NVIDIA driver. Make sure that latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running."
[17:44] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, don't use the cuda package from nvidia, told you hours ago. upgrade to 16.10 for cuda 8
[17:44] <bekks> And is it installed and running?
[17:44] <bekks> Ah.
[17:45] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: yes, I have removed this package though, im trying to install the old drivers
[17:45] <nvdrivers> i will upgrade to 16.10
[17:45] <nvdrivers> but as it stands i fear that will bring more problems, and possibly not fix this issue
[17:45] <nvdrivers> i'd rather do a fresh install of 16.10
[17:46] <nvdrivers> right now i need cuda and the drivers working, as something needs delivered at work
[17:46] <nvdrivers> http://guanghan.info/blog/en/my-works/building-our-personal-deep-learning-rig-gtx-1080-ubuntu-16-04-cuda-8-0rc-cudnn-7-tensorflowmxnetcaffedarknet/
[17:47] <nvdrivers> i followed these steps for the original setup
[17:47] <nvdrivers> or these https://yangcha.github.io/GTX-1080/
[17:48] <nvdrivers> which used nvidia cuda_8.0.27_linux.run for cuda, but drivers were from ppa
[17:48] <nvdrivers> that worked fine
[17:48] <pavlos> nvdrivers, I was able to install cuda 8 on 16.04 (d/l the deb file from nvidia site, apt update, then apt install cuda, took long time but all went ok
[17:48] <nvdrivers> pavlos: that's what i did
[17:49] <nvdrivers> download deb, dpkg -i ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64.deb
[17:49] <nvdrivers> but then it wanted to update the driver
[17:49] <nvdrivers> after that ive been unable to load any nvidia driver
[17:50] <pavlos> nvdrivers, I dont have the gtx-1080, I have a 550Ti, I can look up which driver is using
[17:50] <nvdrivers> it doesn't have anything to do with the card
[17:51] <nvdrivers> it looks like the module isn't even being loaded
[17:51] <nvdrivers> or installed properly
[17:51] <OerHeks> so with 16.04 without kernel 4.8 and your cuda8 you will miss essential kernel hooks.
[17:52] <pavlos> nvdrivers, mine uses 375.26
[17:52] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: it worked fine before
[17:52] <nvdrivers> has cuda changed requiring hooks that are not available in 4.4
[17:52] <nvdrivers> since 8.0.27
[17:53] <nvdrivers> between there and the current 8.0.61
[17:53] <nvdrivers> which afaik isn't available from ppa, only 8.0.44
[17:54] <nvdrivers> in short, i want to try diagnose and fix the problem, deliver this stuff to boss... then re-provision the machine with 16.10
[17:54] <nvdrivers> all i can seem to load is "nvidiafb" there's no other loadable nvidia kernel module
[17:55] <nvdrivers> did that pastebin work?
[17:55] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, i guess you understand your support issue is invalid.
[17:56] <nvdrivers> find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name \*.ko | grep nvidia
[17:56] <nvdrivers> im just trying to track down what is blocking "apt install nvidia-367" from working
[17:56] <nvdrivers> those drivers were working fine
[17:56] <nvdrivers> and i cant seem to find anything in the logs, there are no errors or warnings
[17:57] <nvdrivers> http://pastebin.com/yb8B6DWw
[17:57] <nvdrivers> that's all I see
[18:01] <pavlos> nvdrivers, seems it did not build correctly. http://paste.ubuntu.com/24066392/
[18:01] <nvdrivers> thanks pavlos
[18:02] <nvdrivers> i dont see any error messages, could there be something in a log?
[18:02] <nvdrivers> maybe im missing headers or something like that?
[18:04] <nvdrivers> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hgEMZ7YJWHv
[18:10] <pavlos> nvdrivers, you should have the /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-64-generic/ tree
[18:11] <nvdrivers> i dont
[18:12] <nvdrivers> only /usr/src/linux-headers-4.4.0-62-generic/
[18:12] <nvdrivers> interesting
[18:15] <bonfire> Howdy (:
[18:16] <bonfire> Anyone available for some tips?
[18:17] <bonfire> I've got 16.04 on a laptop that keeps getting ridiculously hot.
[18:17] <nvdrivers> i have that same problem at home, it has killed my battery also
[18:18] <bonfire> It's a samsung with dual graphics (intel and ATI)
[18:18] <nvdrivers> got a new one, wasn't long before it has no capacity to hold charge
[18:18] <bonfire> The CPU sits at 92 Celsius idle after about 15 minutes.
[18:19] <bekks> Maybe clean the fans?
[18:19] <nvdrivers> pavlos: ok looks like installing headers fixed the issue
[18:20] <nvdrivers> it's a bit strange that there's no error about it!
[18:20] <bonfire> bekks, windows does not have the same issue.
[18:20] <nvdrivers> kind of useless
[18:21] <bonfire> nvdrivers, have you experience with bumblebee? I'm just not sure where to begin
[18:21] <conan> hello!!!
[18:22] <nvdrivers> bonfire: i use nvidia-prime
[18:22] <nvdrivers> but even then it's still hot
[18:22] <nvdrivers> fan runs louder
[18:22] <nvdrivers> it's really disappointing
[18:22] <bonfire> I read somewhere that it may be the GPU running at full bore, but the laptop is configured to use the onboard Intel chipset
[18:23] <nvdrivers> yeah even when it switch to intel, still hot
[18:23] <nvdrivers> there's stuff about clock stepping, etc.
[18:24] <nvdrivers> sadly running windows on the laptop kept the temps and battery drain at healthy levels
[18:26] <asdf_> hi guys I have a problem
[18:27] <MonkeyDust> asdf_  let's hear it, in one line
[18:28] <asdf_> Guys I accidentally deleted my /var/www/html can somebody give me theirs? or give a solution to backup or restore the file?
[18:28] <bekks> asdf_: Restore is possible only if you created a backup before.
[18:29] <bekks> asdf_: By default, that directory only contains a index.html - I doubts thats your actual issue.
[18:29] <asdf_> yes thats my issue
[18:29] <asdf_> but I do not know what is in that folder
[18:30] <tomreyn> asdf_: which webserver do you have installed?
[18:30] <k1l_> asdf_: its your web stuff. that dosnt work with files from someone else
[18:30] <asdf_> aww, is there a way to create new file
[18:30] <asdf_> RE: tomreyn I have apache2
[18:31] <tomreyn> if it's apache, the index.html file is robably part of the apache2-common package
[18:31] <k1l_> asdf_: just open a texteditor and put the stuff in you want and save the file there
[18:31] <k1l_> asdf_: that really depends what on what you want or had there
[18:31] <OerHeks> reinstall apache, done.
[18:32] <asdf_> What I really want to do is to search for localhost and use DVWA (damn vulnerable web application) and test sql injection but the web page says 404 not found and The requested URL / was not found on this server. Apache/2.4.25 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80
[18:32] <asdf_> But I guess that it does not work because I removed my /var/www/html
[18:33] <OerHeks> you .. hacked yourself?
[18:33] <asdf_> nope :p
[18:33] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: seems just installing the linux headers has resolved the problem completely, and that cuda package is playing fine
[18:34] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: but i will upgrade later
[18:34] <nvdrivers> strangely i only see one GPU, but that might be a power issue
[18:34] <pavlos> asdf_, my /var/www/html/index.html ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24066572/
[18:35] <pavlos> asdf_, size 11321 bytes
[18:36] <amazoniantoad> I suddenly cannot see 5ghz wireless networks but can still see 2.4ghz. Can someone help me figure out what happened and how to fix this?
[18:37] <asdf_> Ok thanks. That worked but now, however I want to access the DVWA by searching localhost but it does not show it
[18:37] <k1l_> asdf_: you need to reinstall that stuff
[18:37] <asdf_> What stuff?
[18:37] <k1l_> because you deleted all of it
[18:39] <k1l_> asdf_: you delete all your websites and stuff that is supposed to work with apache.
[18:40] <asdf_> k1l_: ok then. how can I reinstall them
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> asdf_  you don't install websites, you create them
[18:42] <asdf_> MonkeyDust: I want to use DVWA but it does not load
[18:42] <bekks> asdf_: What is "DVWA"?
[18:42] <asdf_> MonkeyDust: it is Damn Vulnerable Web Application used to test sql injections etc.
[18:42] <pavlos> asdf_, sudo apt install apache2, test with http://localhost/
[18:43] <bekks> asdf_: Yuou need to install and configure it as the docs of DVWA tell you.
[18:43] <k1l_> asdf_: asak them how to install and setup their software
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> ddg finds a few DVWA tutorials
[18:46] <bekks> Not even a need for asking, their README.md shipped in their download provides a link for an install video. You just need to read...
[18:52] <pavlos> amazoniantoad, is your network card dual band?
[18:56] <Jonii> Hello. I installed Ubuntu with more or less default settings, and unfortunately I ended up with Swap
[18:56] <Jonii> Now I need to figure out a way to disable it
[18:56] <k1l_> Jonii: comment it in the fstab
[18:57] <Jonii> Okay. Now, just to be safe, can I check what applications are being put into swap?
[18:57] <Jonii> Like, worst case scenario is that they'd crash if memory runs out, no?
[18:57] <tgm4883> Jonii: you'd have to reboot after doing the fstab change
[18:58] <k1l_> Jonii: that will take effect after reboot
[18:58] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_do_I_need_swap.3F
[18:58] <k1l_> but if you use swap now, that means it will kill programs next boot if you run out of memory
[18:59] <tgm4883> Jonii: how much ram do you have?
[18:59] <Jonii> 8gb
[19:00] <Jonii> Browsers and office programs for whatever reason keep taking about 5gb of it
[19:00] <k1l_> well, memory is there to be used.
[19:00] <Jonii> I wouldn't really mind browsers rather crashing on me than just there not being swap, but I'd want to make sure it's just browsers that crash
[19:01] <Jonii> The problem is, I do game every once in a while
[19:01] <tgm4883> Jonii: I wouldn't disable swap
[19:01] <Jonii> And unless I do with freshly rebooted machine, game ends up being slowed down by swap shenanigans
[19:01] <Jonii> And you can't seem to get rid of that problem without rebooting the entire machine
[19:02] <tgm4883> swapoff would
[19:09] <geogeogeo> hi
[19:10] <geogeogeo> i need some help
[19:10] <geogeogeo> i am living in china, i am new user on ubuntu only few hours and i love it
[19:10] <geogeogeo> but the big china is not letting people to get information for outside, and TOR is blocked as well
[19:11] <geogeogeo> i have a VPN what i buy and is working then , and pages like google and all what i want, but i wanna to use TAILS and that only use always TOR like a default and only browser
[19:11] <geogeogeo> so i need some bridges or i dont know ... how i can configurate good UBUNTU and be safe and can navigate free ?
[19:12] <amazoniantoad> pavlos, yes
[19:12] <amazoniantoad> pavlos, it worked a week or so ago and now it doesn't
[19:13] <geogeogeo> if somebody know the steps about how i can make a SAFE Ubuntu who can hide my IP and can navigate free out of china ,please make me know at my email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, thank you so much big UbuntuMate community
[19:14] <tehmal> Guys... its possible to check what program uses my internet and how much?
[19:14] <roshan> HI Guys
[19:14] <tehmal> somethinks uses my net in background... and i dont know what! :>
[19:14] <geogeogeo> hi people, somebody who can help me in China ?
[19:14] <roshan> Is it possible to add wifi driver for ubuntu 64bit
[19:15] <roshan> geogeogeo: Yes please
[19:15] <geogeogeo> thx roshan
[19:16] <roshan> geogeogeo: please ask.
[19:16] <geogeogeo> my problem is I am in China , and no way to can navigate out of Chinese pages, even google is censored, facebook, youtube and all this but that is not what is very important for me, what i need to know if is enought safe to can use UbuntuMate for use TOR in china ?
[19:16] <geogeogeo> because is not working and i buy a PureVPN what yes is working on windows and i can use firefox but same never really hide my IP and that bring me problems even if i enter on google and i start navigate ...
[19:17] <pavlos> amazoniantoad, this may help ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/183525/how-to-set-wifi-driver-settings-to-prefer-5-ghz-channel-above-2-4-ghz
[19:17] <geogeogeo> Same i can not use TAILS because is censored and is using TOR like default browser witch is not working without bridges , what same is impossible to found to can jump and navigate out of china
[19:17] <roshan> geogeogeo: I am not getting your point please elborate it more "TOR"
[19:18] <roshan> hi eternal-pain
[19:18] <geogeogeo> TOR is the Free doom Browser in the world and who can hide your IP then i can navigate like i am in another country and not in china
[19:19] <geogeogeo> is same like Firefox but who the same, without the right bridges, is not working
[19:19] <roshan> geogeogeo: you can use proxyies for this
[19:19] <roshan> geogeogeo: you can use proxies for this
[19:19] <geogeogeo> is impossible to can found or download that in china, somebody can give me thats proxys or send me at email and use them ?
[19:19] <roshan> geogeogeo: like i am using chrome extension from india
[19:19] <geogeogeo> because in china all is censored
[19:20] <geogeogeo> chrome is not working in china
[19:20] <eternal-pain> hi
[19:20] <geogeogeo> do you have some proxys bro ?
[19:20] <roshan> eternal-pain: could you please help me to install ubuntu 64 bit wifi driver ?
[19:22] <geogeogeo> no more battery on laptop shit ... please send me some proxys at my email bro, at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:22] <eternal-pain> roshan, which wifi card/adapter do you use?
[19:22] <geogeogeo> thank you
[19:22] <roshan> qualcomm autherous
[19:22] <roshan> eternal-pain: qualcomm autherous
[19:24] <eternal-pain> roshan, depending on the chipset you need a specific driver for that. what is the output of "lspci | grep -i network" ?
[19:25] <roshan> eternal-pain: give me 2 minutes. I'll back eith output
[19:27] <roshan> eternal-pain: The output is: 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30)
[19:30] <roshan> eternal-pain:  any solution ?
[19:31] <eternal-pain> roshan, i just had to search for the package, as i never had an atheros card. seems to work if you just install the driver automatically with jockey
[19:31] <roshan> NatureShade: can you please help me to find wifi driver for Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042
[19:31] <OerHeks> roshan, we need the 8 digit hec  ID code
[19:31] <giuseppe_> hi everyone I have a problem with snd-hda-intel driver audio, can someone help me?
[19:31] <eternal-pain> roshan, do you use a desktop environment? then jockey should be installed by default
[19:32] <roshan> eternal-pain:  I have my new lenovo ideapad
[19:32] <roshan> OerHeks: how can i get this 8 digit code
[19:33] <OerHeks> lspci -nn | grep Atheros
[19:34] <OerHeks> i guess it is [168c:0042] >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/780608/network-controller-0280-qualcomm-atheros-device-168c0042-rev-30-wifi-not with driver solution
[19:34] <eternal-pain> roshan, what is the output of "ubuntu-drivers devices"?
[19:35] <OerHeks> eternal-pain +1 ---> second last post: driver is included by default in 16.04
[19:36] <roshan> eternal-pain: I am getting vendor, modalias, driver and driver inthe list
[19:36] <roshan> eternal-pain: and vendor is NVIDIA Corporation
[19:37] <eternal-pain> roshan, if it shows you the wifi card, you need the additional driver. you can install it either directly by the package name with "apt install <package>" or automatically with jockey by typing "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[19:38] <eternal-pain> the nvidia hardware is most likely your graphics card
[19:38] <roshan> eternal-pain: nope its showing only NVIDIA card
[19:38] <eternal-pain> then the driver should already be installed
[19:38] <eternal-pain> what does "iwconfig" say?
[19:47] <lord-ragnarock> How do I simply download a kernel with apt-get? I did 'sudo apt-get install linux-powerpc-smp' and the new kernel is nowhere to be found in my /boot folder
[19:47] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: powerpc doesnt use /boot IIRC.
[19:47] <lord-ragnarock> Ohhhh
[19:48] <lord-ragnarock> I'm asking cause I use an app called BootX from Mac OS, which requires I copy a kernel and initrd over from the Linux drive
[19:48] <lord-ragnarock> I currently use 3.2 and would like to experiment with... I think it's 3.16 now?
[19:48] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: So take a look at the package content, and you will see where the files are being placed.
[19:49] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Current kernel is 4.8 :)
[19:49] <Jonii> Can you add widgets or the like to unity desktop?
[19:49] <lord-ragnarock> Can you actually compile that for ppc? :)
[19:49] <k1l_> Jonii: you can add indicators
[19:49] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Personally, I never tried, due to lacking PPC hw :)
[19:50] <lord-ragnarock> Hahaha I see
[19:50] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: But it works for ARM, which I've tried :)
[19:50] <k1l_> Jonii: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[19:51] <lord-ragnarock> If it gives you any ideas, I'm trying to get my graphics card working properly again after an upgrade :p
[19:51] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Actually, no :D
[19:51] <lord-ragnarock> Found out from others last night that fglrx got removed when I updated from 12.04 to 14.04 :(
[19:51] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Oh, yeah, ages ago it got removed.
[19:52] <lord-ragnarock> That sucks :/ I have no clue what to do. It allowed me to use 1920x1080
[19:52] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: Just use the opensource replacement?
[19:52] <lord-ragnarock> That's part of the xserver-xorg-video-ati package I think?
[19:53] <mcphail> !info fglrx trusty
[19:53] <lord-ragnarock> I've heard and read about it, but can't figure out whether or not my system's even using it :/
[19:53] <mcphail> It is in 14.04
[19:53] <lord-ragnarock> Ohhhh, that explains everything...
[19:54] <lord-ragnarock> It's not available for PPC
[19:54] <mcphail> Aah. OK
[19:54] <lord-ragnarock> !info fglrx precise
[19:54] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#What_yaboot_parameters_should_I_use_for_graphics_problems.3F
[19:55] <lord-ragnarock> That's even weirder :P
[19:55] <lord-ragnarock> Oh hi again OerHeks :D
[19:55] <OerHeks> hi lord-ragnarock
[19:55] <mcphail> Was PPC an official port at the time of precise? If not, ubottu won't know about it
[19:55] <lord-ragnarock> Good question. No clue
[19:56] <A_Legit_Cookie> this si the support server, right?
[19:56] <k1l_> A_Legit_Cookie: this is the ubuntu technical support channel.
[19:56] <OerHeks> also handy to check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCKnownIssues
[19:57] <A_Legit_Cookie> Because for some reason my config file is empty and i wanna know if this is a problem or not
[19:57] <k1l_> A_Legit_Cookie: what config file?
[19:57] <lord-ragnarock> I'm not very familiar with kernel bootargs. What exactly would 'radeon.modeset' do?
[19:57] <A_Legit_Cookie> the Ubuntu MATE config
[19:58] <OerHeks> lord-ragnarock, those options disable DKMS
[19:58] <A_Legit_Cookie> is it bad that my Ubuntu MATE config is empty
[19:58] <bekks> lord-ragnarock: that would set the modeset parameter for the radeon module.
[19:59] <A_Legit_Cookie> k1l: is it bad that my Ubuntu MATE config is empty?
[19:59] <OerHeks> long time i smelled PowerPC
[19:59] <k1l_> A_Legit_Cookie: i dont know about mate and its configs. was it empty before? what did you do?
[20:00] <A_Legit_Cookie> i didnt do anything, k1l, this is a fresh install on a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B. i have a 128 GB sd card and i shrank the file system
[20:00] <A_Legit_Cookie> maybe shrinking the file system has something to do with it?
[20:01] <bekks> A_Legit_Cookie: How did you shrink the fs?
[20:01] <A_Legit_Cookie> through the welcome window
[20:01] <A_Legit_Cookie> that appears when you boot up ubuntu
[20:02] <bekks> huh?
[20:03] <A_Legit_Cookie> k1l: do you think shrinking the file system effected it?
[20:04] <lord-ragnarock> OerHeks, Oh. Hm.
[20:04] <lord-ragnarock> Not sure what modules are DKMS'd in Ubuntu. I'll give that a shot :)
[20:05] <OerHeks> A_Legit_Cookie, time to reinstall, use the same partitions
[20:06] <A_Legit_Cookie> cool, thanks
[20:06] <A_Legit_Cookie> for the help
[20:12] <aldam> hi
[20:14] <nvdrivers> i seem to be having issues getting xorg / lightdm working without the monitor plugged in
[20:15] <nvdrivers> anyone had experience with this before/
[20:16] <cfoch-al1> hi
[20:16] <cfoch-al1> is there an alternative to "localectrl set-locale LANG=C" by just editing a file?
[20:18] <lkira2437> Hi.
[20:18] <lkira2437> Hello!!!
[20:19] <k1l_> hi
[20:19] <lkira2437> You can see me?
[20:21] <lkira2437> because I've a problem with my public IP
[20:22] <chandlerbing> I have a rutorrent client setup with a nginx reverse proxy on a subdomain. I have setup a password verification with nginx but if you to my server and the url with the port number you dont need to put in a password. How can i block that people can go to my domain with port?
[20:22] <elias_a> lkira2437: I see your writing. :)
[20:23] <nvdrivers> plaes haelp: kernel: [  672.598432] unity-greeter[5124]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0bb70469bf sp 00007fff922cad98 error 4 in libc-2.23.so[7f0bb6fb1000+1bf000]
[20:24] <lkira2437> That's ok...
[20:24] <lkira2437> @elias_a
[20:24] <lkira2437> elias_a
[20:25] <lkira2437> #elias_a
[20:25] <nvdrivers> ok, switching from vnc4server to tightvncserver has improved matters, but i just have a grey screen
[20:25] <Bashing-om> !tab | lkira2437
[20:27] <lkira2437> ls compdoc
[20:27] <lkira2437> ok
[20:32] <nvdrivers> anyone have experience with lightdm and vnc?
[20:32] <compdoc> on the unity desktop?
[20:32] <nvdrivers> yeah
[20:32] <nvdrivers> ideally
[20:32] <nvdrivers> i had issues with compiz segfaulting
[20:33] <nvdrivers> was hoping the latest drivers might fix that
[20:33] <compdoc> dont think its possible, unless something has changed recently
[20:33] <nvdrivers> ah
[20:33] <compdoc> you need a 2d desktop
[20:33] <nvdrivers> i just get a grey screen when i log in
[20:33] <compdoc> I use mate
[20:33] <nvdrivers> unity no good?
[20:33] <nvdrivers> i managed to get in with x11vnc or tigervnc
[20:34] <compdoc> its 3d only, and maybe theres a new way, but its never worked before
[20:34] <nvdrivers> ive reinstalled lightdm and tightvncserver
[20:34] <nvdrivers> oh i see
[20:34] <compdoc> doesnt bother me. Mate and x2go are the perfect combo
[20:34] <nvdrivers> the grey desktop is disconcerting
[20:35] <nvdrivers> i see people suggesting "user-session=unity-2d"
[20:35] <compdoc> vnc was great, but always had to make it work manually
[20:35] <compdoc> trial and error
[20:36] <nvdrivers> i dont get this grey screen, i have a .vnc/xsession
[20:36] <alkisg> unity-2d doesn't exist since ubuntu 12.10 or so
[20:36] <k1l_> there is a new one
[20:36] <nvdrivers> ah
[20:37] <alkisg> k1l_: a new unity-2d? some link please?
[20:37] <k1l_> its called low graphics mode
[20:37] <compdoc> that would be great
[20:37] <nvdrivers> i can run that over vnc?
[20:37] <nvdrivers> any tips
[20:37] <k1l_> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/19/low-graphics-mode-in-unity-7/
[20:37] <nvdrivers> this grey screen issue is a nightmare
[20:38] <alkisg> k1l_: are you talking about unity with less eye candy? That still requires compositing etc, so it's a no go...
[20:38] <alkisg> gl
[20:38] <nvdrivers> not sure how x11vnc worked, although it seemed to be just forwarding the lightdm framebuffer
[20:38] <nvdrivers> tigervnc also got me to the lightdm greeter
[20:38] <alkisg> It might be workable for VMs, but e.g. not over the network, so it's nothing like unity 2d
[20:38] <nvdrivers> had animations etc.
[20:39] <nvdrivers> at least when you switch users at the login screen
[20:39] <k1l_> i dont know about remote desktop since i dont use that but this linked article talks about it. so read it
[20:40] <nvdrivers> ok, so i get a nice login screen with tigervnc
[20:40] <nvdrivers> but when i log in, it's openbox
[20:40] <alkisg> Don't use vnc, use x2go for remote logins
[20:41] <alkisg> It needs special setup, and vnc viewers don't bother to properly setup the desktop
[20:41] <alkisg> *servers
[20:41] <nvdrivers> kernel: [ 1733.136740] lightdm[8894]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff039c2db96 sp 00007ffdfa4e9e28 error 4 in libc-2.23.so[7ff039ba3000+1bf000]
[20:41] <nvdrivers> that's what happens when i log in with unity/ubuntu desktop
[20:42] <onla> I'm trying to install https://github.com/allan-simon/linthesia but in the dependencies it mentions I need  librtmidi-dev, but when I execute apt-get install librtmidi-dev, it says that it needs 192MB and that it needs to remove lubuntu-desktop and wine for example. What?? I need both of them I think
[20:42] <onla> for other things
[20:43] <alkisg> onla, put the whole output to pastebin; it might e.g. be pulling jack and wanting to uninstall pulseaudio etc
[20:44] <Mr-Frog> I've been trying to use gnome-software without success. Entering a query in the seachbar or clicking on the "Installed" or "Updates" tab just leads to  an infinite loading symbol.
[20:44] <onla> http://sprunge.us/YBCH
[20:44] <onla> i'm using wine-staging, but that's pretty much the whole wine
[20:46] <alkisg> Yeah it conflicts with libjack-jackd2-0
[20:47] <OerHeks> Mr-Frog, just be patient? or install synaptic, more detailed softwarecenter
[20:47] <Mr-Frog> It has been loading for a good 15 minutes. I'll try synaptic
[20:48] <onla> alkisg: do you know if there is some workaround that I don't need to uninstall bunch of stuff (and preferably not download 194MB)
[20:48] <alkisg> Mr-Frog: I think you need to run apt-get update one time for it to work
[20:49] <anddam> what's this askubuntu answer doing with multi-user.target ?
[20:49] <anddam> http://askubuntu.com/a/79682
[20:49] <alkisg> onla: in my ubuntu-mate + stock wine,  libjack-jackd2-0 can be uninstalled by without anything else getting removed. Sorry I don't know about lubuntu/wine-staging
[20:51] <k1l_> anddam: mulltiusertarget is the extlogin
[20:51] <k1l_> *textlogin
[20:52] <Mr-Frog> synaptic seems to work much better, thank you.
[20:52] <OerHeks> Mr-Frog, have fun
[20:52] <Mr-Frog> :D
[20:52] <onla> alkisg: oh ok. Here apt-get remove libjack-jackd2-0 wants to remove 262MB of things.
[20:53] <thermos> Hi, I just made a bootable Ubuntu USB using Rufus, and it won't boot on either of my PCs.  Is there a common error here?  I followed the instructions carefully.
[20:54] <onla> oh lol, there is a linthesia package in repos
[20:54] <nvdrivers> so there's no way to use ubuntu-desktop over vnc, i see people doing it on EC2 instances
[20:54] <nvdrivers> this is very strange
[20:54] <nvdrivers> ?
[20:54] <Bashing-om> thermos: Did you verify the .iso integrity ( md5sum ) ?
[20:55] <thermos> no i did not
[20:55] <bekks> nvdrivers: there are ways, VNC is just horribly insecure.
[20:55] <thermos> i just d/l'd it from ubuntu site and ran Rufus
[20:55] <bekks> nvdrivers: Insecure. a mess when setting up, a mess when using it.
[20:55] <nvdrivers> what alternatives are there?
[20:56] <nvdrivers> this is on a private network so security is not a huge issue
[20:56] <bekks> nvdrivers: x2go, as you've already been told.
[20:56] <nvdrivers> i have been? sorry
[20:56] <nvdrivers> huge apologies, did not see that
[20:57] <nvdrivers> that can be used with ubuntu desktop?
[20:57] <pavlos> nvdrivers, I use nomachine for remote desktops
[20:57] <thermos> bashing-om:  how does one do that?
[20:57] <nvdrivers> pavlos okay, thanks
[20:58] <nvdrivers> x2go has a good windows client?
[20:59] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | thermos
[20:59] <thermos> thanks.  i will check that out.
[20:59] <anddam> k1l_: ah ok, from old sysvinit thought the multi user was runlevel 3 or the like
[20:59] <anddam> so "standard"
[21:00] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, it is all there , http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[21:01] <anddam> k1l_: so I was wrong disabling lightdm unit
[21:01] <nvdrivers> thanks, i was there but hit a page where it wasn't so clear re windows
[21:01] <anddam> why the --force when enabling multi-user.target?
[21:01] <k1l_> if you want only konsole login, yes
[21:01] <nvdrivers> let's give this a shot
[21:01] <k1l_> no need to.
[21:02] <anddam> not konsole, I'd like no Xorg at all
[21:02] <anddam> but you didn't mean KDE's konsole, did you?
[21:03] <k1l_> no, i didnt mean the kde program.
[21:03] <OerHeks> konsole/tty1/terminal
[21:03] <Bashing-om> anddam: Boot to terminal systemd ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' But then it is on you to enable any and all services that depend on the GUI that you need .
[21:04] <anddam> Bashing-om: sorry, I didn't quite understand what you just wrote
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Ya want to boot to terminal ( no GUI ) then ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' will do that . but many services will not be enabled .
[21:06] <masm> On Ubuntu 16.04, I can't play any .mp4 files or any video file in Firefox. Whenever I try to open one, I get this and nothing else happens: http://i.imgur.com/FvYex2Vl.jpg
[21:06] <masm> Can someone tell me on how to play a mp4 file in the browser?
[21:06] <anddam> Bashing-om: I don't get where shold I use ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target '
[21:06] <masm> I would appreciate it greatly
[21:06] <anddam> is that a kernel parameter?
[21:06] <anddam> should*
[21:06] <masm> ofcourse youtube and vimeo work fine
[21:06] <k1l_> anddam: yes. in the kernel line on grub
[21:06] <masm> but a direct video file link does not play
[21:07] <masm> k1l_, can you help? you must know something
[21:07] <OerHeks> masm, did you install restricted extras??
[21:07] <masm> OerHeks: ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[21:07] <anddam> k1l_: ah ok, is it any different than using set-default with systemctl?
[21:07] <masm> OerHeks: yes i have installed that and the ones for xubuntu as well. still no solution
[21:07] <anddam> Bashing-om: ^
[21:07] <k1l_> no
[21:07] <Bashing-om> anddam: Oh . sorry .. boot to grub menu , 'e' key and edit the linux line . This what you have in mind ?
[21:07] <anddam> Bashing-om: I want a permanent setup, set-default seems just fine
[21:08] <anddam> it's a headless home computer
[21:08] <alkisg> masm: what's the output of `file /path/to/mp4` ?
[21:08] <masm> alkisg, literally that command or do i need to annex a mp4 file?
[21:08] <alkisg> Put the mp4 you're trying to play, there
[21:08] <OerHeks> masm, then what is in that mp4? mp4 is just a container.
[21:09] <masm> alkisg: i don't have the mp4 on my system
[21:09] <nvdrivers> hmm x2go wants to use plasma
[21:09] <masm> alkisg: firefox can't play them in the browser
[21:09] <nvdrivers> i was hoping it would work with unity
[21:09] <masm> alkisg: all mp4s work in vlc
[21:09] <nvdrivers> plasma did complain about opengl 2.0
[21:09] <alkisg> masm: I just wanted to see if it's a supported codec; you could download it if it's not too big
[21:10] <masm> alkisg: the problem is that firefox can't play .mp4 files, vlc and everything play them finely
[21:10] <alkisg> They use different libgs
[21:10] <alkisg> *libs
[21:10] <alkisg> And my firefox can play my .mp4 files...
[21:10] <alkisg> So I wanted to see what codec is your mp4 using...
[21:11] <masm> alkisg: this problem isn't just about mp4
[21:11] <masm> any video format does not play in firefox
[21:11] <masm> i have installed restricted-extras but still no solution, could quicktime fix it?
[21:12] <masm> please note that youtube and everything else works, its just that a direct link to some .mp4 or .avi does not work, firefox does not play it
[21:12] <A1Gard> Hi
[21:13] <alkisg> masm: so, `firefox /path/to/avi` doesn't work for you, right?
[21:13] <thermos> the MD5 sums are the same.
[21:13] <masm> alkisg, yes
[21:14] <alkisg> masm, do you have any videos shipped by ubuntu? locate ogv | grep ogv$ | grep /usr/share
[21:15] <masm> alkisg: actually there's something called browser-plugin-vlc, let me install it and see what happens
[21:15] <alkisg> The firefox support is embedded
[21:15] <alkisg> It doesn't need vlc or anything to play videos...
[21:17] <thermos> bashing-om:  the checksum is good.
[21:17] <tehmal> Guys! I've problem... my Ubunty have virus "VIsta"... help,. https://s17.postimg.org/3z1fv1bcv/Zrzut_ekranu_z_2017_02_25_22_15_55.png
[21:17] <alkisg> thermos: are you currently in ubuntu?
[21:18] <thermos> no, windows 7
[21:18] <thermos> i want to boot into ubuntu from a usb drive to fix a dead win7 installation and put an ubuntu partition on it.
[21:18] <OerHeks> tehmal, and where should we look for you vista virus?
[21:18] <alkisg> thermos: OK, just wanted to tell you to quickly test the usb stick in a virtual environment, e.g. with kvm
[21:19] <tehmal> OerHeks: 42gb/45gb of "/" -.-
[21:19] <masm> OK alkisg looks like you were wrong, a simple installation of browser-plugin-vlc now plays all video files in the browser
[21:19] <masm> i should have googled more
[21:19] <tehmal> i clear /var/logs and /temp but...not specialy help :>
[21:19] <thermos> does kvm work w/ windows?
[21:19] <OerHeks> tehmal, so you call it a vista virus, funny
[21:20] <A1Gard> hi every body i have question about publish software in ubuntu offical repom
[21:20] <alkisg> masm: nice, except that videos play fine here, and I don't have that plugin: $ dpkg -l browser-plugin-vlc  dpkg-query: no packages found matching browser-plugin-vlc
[21:20] <A1Gard> can anyone help me?
[21:20] <riadh> hell
[21:20] <tehmal> OerHeks: yes, when im going to school at PCs was intall "W Vista" and usualy at "C:/" be... 2~3% free space
[21:21] <tehmal> and size of C:/ was exacly 45gb
[21:21] <riadh> quit
[21:21] <riadh> exit
[21:23] <tehmal> OerHeks: i typed sudo rm /var/logs/* -R && sudo rm /tmp/* but not help... only lose around 2-3 gig =C
[21:23] <OerHeks> uh oh, don't empty the log folder like that ...
[21:24] <OerHeks> not all logs will be recreated.
[21:24] <tehmal> OerHeks: i do it wrong?
[21:24] <OerHeks> and removal of /tmp/,.. i have never done this in years. no need to.
[21:25] <OerHeks> sudo apt autoremove # this should clean up stuff, and check your /home/  folder for big logs
[21:25] <rond_> Hello! Why if I do "export M2_HOME=/home/kamil/maven/apache-maven-3.3.9" having opened terminal in some directory and then open second terminal in another directory, then "echo $M2" prints nothing?
[21:25] <tehmal> OerHeks: izi... 400gb free at /home/... idk where are logs at home
[21:26] <momken> rond_: echo $M2_HOME
[21:26] <rond_> momken: in another terminal then i've set it - prints nothing
[21:27] <tehmal> OerHeks: but why only 2gb is left ?!
[21:27] <tehmal> OerHeks: at Ubu partition?
[21:27] <momken> It won't in another terminal. Other terminal as another session
[21:27] <momken> rond_: Except you define that export in bashrc or something similar
[21:28] <transitbot> has anyone installed remix os alongside ubuntu?
[21:29] <thermos> ok, what would keep my bootable USB from being seen as bootable by 2 different computers?
[21:30] <OerHeks> tehmal, hit ctrl + h for hidden files. if there are no big logs, idk.
[21:31] <Xundres> hi
[21:31] <Xundres> How can I create a tray icon for an app?
[21:31] <Xundres> (the app is whatsappweb)
[21:33] <rond_> momken: so: export ... works only for current session (terminal), if I want to make it persistent then i should modify the  /usr/environment file?
[21:33] <alkisg> thermos: when you insert the usb stick to your windows, do you see files like vmlinuz, syslinux etc inside it?
[21:33] <alkisg> thermos: also, the computers you're using now, are they uefi or legacy bios?
[21:34] <momken> rond_: You can modify /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc or ~/.bashrc (if I remember correctly)
[21:34] <papito> hi, im new using ubuntu mate
[21:36] <papito> and my mouse in teeworlds dont work, the pointer gets stuck at the left upper corner
[21:36] <thermos> alkisg, they are bios.  yes, such files are there
[21:36] <momken_> hi
[21:37] <momken> hihi
[21:37] <momken> 1
[21:39] <alkisg> thermos: try using https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to directly burn the iso to the stick, without rufus
[21:39] <thermos> alkisg, ok, i will try that.  thanks.
[21:40] <alkisg> np
[21:42] <stratocastorNM> Hello everyone!!
[21:45] <stratocastorNM> Anyone here get folding at home working? 16.04?
[21:45] <sphrak> Hi im having issues with link speed on my nic. all of a sudden I get this in dmesg: https://dpaste.de/g5sE#L and I have changed cables 3 times but it still occurs. ubuntu 16.04 lts
[21:46] <sphrak> im on kernel 4.4.0-64-generic
[21:48] <stratocastorNM> So still occurs with all three other cables?
[21:48] <stratocastorNM> ifconfig show errors?
[21:49] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: yes, at first I get 1000mbit/s then after a while its downgraded to 100
[21:49] <stratocastorNM> made cables yourself?
[21:49] <sphrak> 1 of them it self made, but the other two are factory made and they do work with my other computers at 1000mbit no problem
[21:50] <alkisg> Does it happen with another kernel? E.g. an older one or a live cd?
[21:51] <sphrak> so I dont think its the cable tbh, because the only thing Ive changed lately is that I rebooted that computer yesterday to upgrade kernel. havent rebooted since 4th of feburary
[21:51] <sphrak> and then the issue came about
[21:51] <sphrak> alkisg: I havent tested that yet
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> could you show us results of lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> ifconfig -a
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> lsmod
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[21:52] <stratocastorNM> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[21:52] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: yes sir, gimmi a sec
[21:55] <stratocastorNM> too much to paste
[21:56] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: https://dpaste.de/sFxr#L1,6,33,36,164,182 there u go :)
[21:59] <keks> hey, i just installed 16.10 on a yoga 900. everything works great! can i enable two-finger scrolling on the touchscreen though? it already works on the touchpad
[22:00] <keks> unity's multitouch gestures work fine
[22:01] <stratocastorNM> well shprak, taking a look through, but dont see anything obvious.. Just coneccting straigh to a switch? Or yet, whats the setup?
[22:01] <stratocastorNM> Try different ports?
[22:02] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: yes its directly to a HP ProCurve switch, ive tested other ports aswell but it acts the same im afraid -perhaps its dying on me haha
[22:04] <stratocastorNM> I'd hope not! but possibly..
[22:05] <sphrak> well ill fiddle around some more, I have other NICs I can try with anyways so.. thanks for taking a look anyways :) if I find any thing significant ill report back
[22:05] <momken_> test1
[22:06] <momken_> test2
[22:06] <sphrak> momken_: test3
[22:08] <momken_> sphrak, :)) excuse me, I am just comparing Konversation with HexChat
[22:08] <stratocastorNM> could only find one kind of reference to that sphrak http://serverfault.com/questions/585442/eth0-nic-link-is-down-repeating-message-in-kernel-log
[22:08] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: hmm interesting im gonna read thru
[22:10] <stratocastorNM> some other stuff to try sphrak https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2177314
[22:10] <stratocastorNM> sorry, dont have a good answer!
[22:11] <sphrak> stratocastorNM: ah yes ive used ethtool to determine what link speed I get, I then disocvered dmesgs output hehe oh well
[22:12] <stratocastorNM> Oh, you're far ahead of me then!!
[22:17] <keks> hey, i just installed 16.10 on a yoga 900. everything works great! can i enable two-finger scrolling on the touchscreen though? it already works on the touchpad and unity's multitouch gestures work fine on the screen
[22:17] <keks> (i hope asking again is okay after some time?)
[22:18] <ikonia> I doubt it
[22:18] <ikonia> but I don't oknw
[22:18] <ikonia> don't know
[22:18] <keks> yeah i just realized that was only 15m
[22:18] <keks> i'll idle anyway, maybe ask again tomorrow
[22:19] <ikonia> thats fine
[22:19] <ikonia> 15m is fine
[22:19] <ikonia> but I mean I doubt you can do it on the touchscreen
[22:19] <keks> ohh is see :)
[22:19] <keks> hm, too bad
[22:19] <ikonia> you'll need to look at what xorg driver your touch screen can support
[22:19] <ikonia> probably none
[22:19] <ikonia> touch screen on linux is quite a narrow window of supported devices,
[22:19] <keks> oh the touch screen works
[22:19] <ikonia> but I don't know the full list
[22:19] <ikonia> keks: thats a good start then
[22:20] <ikonia> you just need to see if the driver it's using supports multi-touch,
[22:20] <keks> unity's multitouch gestures work fine
[22:20] <ikonia> there maybe overlay software if it doesn't (I'm guessing)
[22:20] <keks> but scrolling doesnt...
[22:20] <c|oneman> it's pretty amazing when I had a yoga, the touchscreen was great, and the trackpad was trash. HOw can they repeately put out lousy trackpads year after year, and then pull out a great touchscreen, relatively a new concept
[22:21] <keks> yeah the trackpad is annoying, feels like it sometimes randomly jumps
[22:34] <momken_> momken hi
[22:35] <momken_> momken, hi again
[22:36] <momken> momken_: hello
[22:36] <k1l_> momken:  momken_  there is #tests
[22:36] <momken_> k1l_, Ok. thanks
[22:45] <momken> Thanks, bye
[22:55] <kaosine> ha that was a good exit message XD
[22:59] <z3> useful defrag technique: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[22:59] <RedPenguin> Hey all
[23:00] <keks> z3: you can make that more efficient using larger block sizes
[23:00] <RedPenguin> I am trying to find out, for SSL Certificates are they shared via various programs? I added an SSL cert and Chrome is working but ffmpeg, VLC, and others aren't
[23:01] <keks> RedPenguin: try copying it to /etc/ssl/certs
[23:03] <RedPenguin> tried but so far everything but Chrome is saying SSL error
[23:04] <RedPenguin> I was given a p12 file which seems difficult to put on the Linux PC
[23:05] <RedPenguin> A Windows machine I tried the p12 file on took it immediately, it's just being more difficult on my Ubuntu
[23:05] <KenLL> Hello.
[23:05] <KenLL> It appears with the latest update that FULL RBG is enabled by default?
[23:05] <KenLL> Can anyone confirm?
[23:06] <KenLL> When I used to reboot I'd type: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:06] <KenLL> The screen would go black and then come back with better colors.
[23:06] <KenLL> Now that line does nothing.
[23:06] <KenLL> Any devs in here?
[23:08] <zerorax> hi
[23:08] <RedPenguin> unless I didn't make the crt file correctly
[23:09] <pierre_> hello everybody
[23:09] <RedPenguin> I am not really sure how to take a p12 that contains the Certs and Key together
[23:09] <zerorax> I'm interested in completely rewriting unity without compositor or fancy effects, but recreating the same APIs and app programming methods for interacting with it. Would anyone be interested in helping with the project? I think there's no reason unity needs to use more than 10-15mb of ram
[23:09] <KenLL> It appears with the latest update that FULL RBG is enabled by default?
[23:09] <KenLL> Can anyone confirm?
[23:09] <KenLL> When I used to reboot I'd type: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:09] <KenLL> Now that line does nothing.
[23:10] <keks> RedPenguin: hang on, gonna search for p12
[23:10] <tgm4883> !patience | KenLL
[23:11] <RedPenguin> keks: thanks, I did do a lot of Googling for myself but I think I have been doing it all wrong
[23:11] <KenLL> Is the Ubuntu Forum a better place to ask?
[23:11] <KenLL> I mean is the responsive better there?
[23:11] <KenLL> I thought the same devs would go there as here.
[23:12] <k1l_> KenLL: file a bug or ask an answer on launchpad.net
[23:12] <tgm4883> KenLL: you could wait longer than 3 minutes before asking again. You could also check what updates you did and then look at the changelog
[23:12] <KenLL> I had big 145 MB update
[23:12] <KenLL> that was the most recent one.
[23:12] <tatertots> KenLL: you're saying that with HDMI the ones and zeros coming from the video source were dull and that you had to issue the above mentioned line to get satisfactory color reproduction?.....seems odd
[23:13] <KenLL> tatertots, I'm saying that I used to type that line every time I booted. The screen would go blank, then come back with much better colors.
[23:13] <keks> RedPenguin: so I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/403174/convert-pfx-to-cer
[23:13] <KenLL> This line: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:13] <KenLL> Now when I type that nothing happens, so I wonder if it's being enabled by default since the latest update.
[23:13] <keks> do that and put the .cer/.crt file to /etc/ssl/certs
[23:14] <KenLL> How do I figure out which mode my xrandr is using?
[23:14] <tatertots> KenLL: you can try to post in the forums but don't be surprised if the post grows dust and mold
[23:15] <KenLL> tatertots, How come?
[23:15] <KenLL> tatertots, How come I use HDMI2 instead of HDMI1?
[23:15] <KenLL> My monitor has only 1 HDMI port.
[23:15] <KenLL> So why is it using HDMI2?
[23:16] <keks> KenLL: xrandr --prop
[23:16] <tgm4883> KenLL: do you have 2 HDMI ports on your video card?
[23:16] <KenLL> Ah, I'm using RBG Full.
[23:16] <KenLL> It appears the latest Ubuntu update or kernel update has made it so that RGB FULL is being activated by default.
[23:16] <KenLL> I used to have to do this manually.
[23:16] <KenLL> Now what about why my monitor is using HDMI2 instead of HDMI1?
[23:17] <KenLL> It has just the one HDMI port. My comp has only 1 HDMI port as well.
[23:17] <tgm4883> KenLL: maybe there is a second one that doesn't have a port on it?
[23:17] <KenLL> A second what?
[23:17] <KenLL> 1 HDMI port on the monitor, 1 on the comp.
[23:17] <prppedro> KenLL: may be there's an onboard and another offboard
[23:17] <tgm4883> KenLL: HDMI port
[23:18] <keks> maybe its only accessible through a docking station
[23:18] <keks> could be a lot of things
[23:18] <KenLL> It's pretty clear my comp has just 1 HDMI port, and the monitor has just one HDMI port.
[23:18] <tgm4883> KenLL: right, because video card manufactures have never just not added a second port in order to save money....
[23:19] <keks> KenLL: hang on, i'll check my crystal sphere
[23:19]  * tgm4883 isn't sure why it matters
[23:19] <KenLL> tgm4883, My comp is an MSI Cubi. It has 1 displayport, 1 HDMI port.
[23:19] <KenLL> That's all.
[23:19] <prppedro> KenLL: whatever your HDMI configuration is...
[23:19] <KenLL> It has built-in Intel graphics.
[23:19] <prppedro> probably there's nothing to do with your problem per se
[23:20] <KenLL> But I feel I should be using HDMI1, not HDMI2.
[23:20] <tgm4883> KenLL: does your mini display port show up as HDMI?
[23:20] <prppedro> Sometimes, my laptop onboard WLAN lists as wlan1 instead of wlan0
[23:20] <KenLL> You think that's mini display port is HDMI1?
[23:20] <KenLL> I'll try that display port. One moment.
[23:20]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[23:21] <tgm4883> I don't think it really matters
[23:21] <keks> yeah it doesn't matter at all
[23:21] <tatertots> KenLL: open terminal
[23:21] <KenLL> Any benefit to using mini display port to HDMI vs HDMI to HDMI?
[23:21] <prppedro> tgm4883: yep, chances are high it does not...
[23:21] <tgm4883> but you seem super interested in this, so I'm going to go back to knocking people out and hiding their bodies in dumpsters
[23:21] <tatertots> KenLL: in terminal>    cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep Out|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:22] <tatertots> KenLL: press enter share url/link here
[23:22] <KenLL> tgm4883, I'm trying to maximize the clarity and colors of my screen experience.
[23:22] <KenLL> http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:22] <KenLL> Here is what it says.
[23:23] <KenLL> Output HDMI2 using initial mode on pipe 0.
[23:23] <KenLL> Is that optimal?
[23:23] <keks> yes
[23:23] <keks> its perfect
[23:23] <KenLL> Like I say, I used to type RGB = FULL when I rebooted and it made a big difference. Since the latest update I don't notice any difference when I type that
[23:23] <KenLL> so I assume it's doing it automatically.
[23:24] <KenLL> keks, http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:24] <KenLL> There is the full result for your analysis.
[23:24] <FMan> off to bed - good night hacking away with your ubuntus!
[23:24] <tatertots> KenLL: in terminal>    xrandr|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:24] <tatertots> KenLL: press enter share url/link here
[23:25] <prppedro> My laptop says there's DP and HDMI despite there's none, really... So, may be your controller supports two HDMI ports, but there's only one wired to HDMI 2 slot
[23:25] <keks> KenLL: there is a way to run the HDMI protocol over displayport, maybe that is what HDMI1 is for
[23:25] <keks> but it doesn't matter
[23:26] <KenLL> keks, No idea.
[23:26] <KenLL> I just think it's strange that I have the only HDMI port on my computer hooked to the only HDMI on my monitor, and it shows as HDMI2.
[23:27] <KenLL> Why does it say: Output HDMI2 has no monitor section
[23:27] <KenLL> but then it says: Output HDMI2 using initial mode 1920x1080 on pipe 0
[23:27] <tatertots> KenLL: because it doesn't
[23:27] <KenLL> tatertots,  http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:27] <KenLL> see here.
[23:27] <KenLL> It says both those things.
[23:27] <keks> it sais HDMI1 has no monitor section because there is no monitor attached to HDMI1
[23:27] <tatertots> KenLL: and it really does not matter...these things to no work "linearly" like your thoughts
[23:27] <KenLL> But also says HDMI2 has no monitor selection
[23:28] <tatertots> KenLL: and it really does not matter...these things do not work "linearly" like your thoughts
[23:28] <KenLL> before it says the other line about pipe 0.
[23:28] <KenLL> tatertots, If you say so. So my setup is fairly common?
[23:28] <tatertots> KenLL: so don't think to hard about it....it's doing it's job...it's job is to produce a picture for your eyes...and its doing just that
[23:28] <keks> its a monitor attached to a computer
[23:28] <keks> yes its common
[23:28] <KenLL> I'm not doing anything strange yet it's using HDMI2. However notice this output:
[23:28] <KenLL>  http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:29] <prppedro> KenLL: What's the deal with your ~video experience~?
[23:29] <KenLL> 12.162] (II) intel(0): Output HDMI2 has no monitor section
[23:29] <KenLL> 12.162] (--) intel(0): Output HDMI2 using initial mode 1920x1080 on pipe 0
[23:29] <KenLL> How can it say both those things?
[23:29] <keks> you posted that link like ten thousand times now. we've all seen it. its fine
[23:29] <tatertots> KenLL: we've already seen http://termbin.com/h3l9
[23:29] <KenLL> They are mutually exclusive.
[23:29] <tatertots> KenLL: if you're going to post links try the new one you've yet to post
[23:29] <KenLL> tatertots, Which new one?
[23:30] <keks> qed
[23:30] <keks> KenLL: I guess it first checks for config files and then plug and play devices
[23:31] <tatertots> KenLL: in terminal>    xrandr|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:31] <keks> there are no config files ("no monitor section") and then it finds the monitor via pnp
[23:31] <KenLL> My monitor is straining my eyes and giving me a mild headache. It may be the monitor, but I want to be assured I have things functioning 100%. Like I say, when I used to type RBG = FULL it made a huge difference. Now that seems to be enabled by default.. so it looks like someone at Ubuntu listened to my feedback.
[23:31] <keks> take
[23:31] <keks> a
[23:31] <keks> walk
[23:32] <KenLL> Here you are, tatertots:
[23:32] <KenLL> http://termbin.com/6blj
[23:32] <KenLL> Anything interesting here?
[23:32] <keks> i can't take it anymore
[23:33] <prppedro> KenLL, perhaps you should be more specific... It could be the refresh rate, but I highly doubt it. My bet is that you spend too much time in front of that screen...
[23:33] <prppedro> The easiest thing to try is to swap your display, if possible.
[23:33] <prppedro> You know, just to test...
[23:34] <tatertots> KenLL: looks normal
[23:34] <prppedro> But it's for sure unrelated with the position of your HDMI port, it's number or the lunar phase...
[23:34] <KenLL> prppedro, True, but like I say I used to type RBG = FULL and it made a huge difference. Before I figured that out I was using RGB = Limited without even knowing it. If I hadn't looked into things in great detail I'd never have known any better.
[23:34] <KenLL> I'd still be using Limited right now.
[23:35] <KenLL> Now it seems RBG = FULL is enabled by default in the very latest Ubuntu update package.
[23:35] <tatertots> KenLL: you don't have to type that anymore...get over it
[23:35] <onys> KenLL, try redshift-gtk or redshift-gui to dim the blue channel a bit, it helps me a lot, also darker themes
[23:36] <tatertots> KenLL: i used to have to hand crank my ford model "T" just to start the engine...my new car...i don't have to do that anymore
[23:36] <KenLL> tatertots, Yes, but changed only in the past day.
[23:36] <KenLL> Right up until today I always had to type RGB = FULL when I booted up or I'd be using Limited.
[23:37] <tgm4883> KenLL: if you switch it to limited and then back to full, does anything change?
[23:37] <KenLL> tgm4883, I tried now this:
[23:37] <KenLL> --> /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Limited"
[23:37] <KenLL> But this gives error messages and does nothing.
[23:38] <KenLL> The magic line until today was this: /usr/bin/xrandr --output HDMI2 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
[23:38] <KenLL> That improved my colors about 3X.
[23:38] <tatertots> KenLL: post in the forums and wait on replies
[23:39] <tatertots> KenLL: you'd need expensive instruments to claim 3x...measuring and making a guess with human eye sight is far from scientific
[23:39] <KenLL> tatertots, It appears with the latest update not only is RGB = FULL enabed by default, but I can't make it "Limited" even if I tell it that in the command line.
[23:39] <tgm4883> KenLL: the error message would be helpful
[23:39] <KenLL> tgm4883, X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[23:39] <prppedro> KenLL: It's hard to tell, colour adjustment is something kinda personal... You should fiddle with the settings until you find a confortable point.
[23:40] <KenLL> tatertots, Just my guess to give you an idea of the magnitude of the improvement.
[23:41] <KenLL> I had literally been using my monitor for about 10 months on Limited mode because I didn't know any better.
[23:41] <tgm4883> KenLL: try "Limited 16:235"
[23:42] <KenLL> That did it. This is how I was using my monitor for 10 months before I stumbled into RGB = Full.
[23:42] <KenLL> It's much inferior.
[23:42] <KenLL> It appears one of the devs in here listened to my feedback and made RGB = FULL the default.
[23:42] <KenLL> Congratulations on that.
[23:42] <k1l_> KenLL: so what changed? sometimes when you change versions commands do change.
[23:42] <tgm4883> KenLL: ok, so now it's worse when you set it to limited?
[23:43] <KenLL> tgm4883, Absolutely. I believe RGB = FULL is now the default in the very latest Ubuntu update.
[23:43] <tgm4883> KenLL: ok, so now do the full command again
[23:43] <KenLL> I specifically made this request. I didn't know any devs were listening in here.
[23:43] <KenLL> tgm4883, Yes, I put it back to Full.
[23:43] <tgm4883> and it's back to how it was before, it's not better?
[23:43] <KenLL> Where is the Change Log for the Ubuntu updates?
[23:44] <tgm4883> honestly, it probably wasn't you asking in here about it. It was probably a bug fix in the automatic detection
[23:44] <k1l_> KenLL: there is no general changelog. they are noted for each package
[23:45] <KenLL> I am in Broadcast RGB Full mode. I believe Automatic used to be the default.
[23:45] <KenLL> Now with the latest update it actually goes beyond Automatic and sets Full.
[23:45] <KenLL> This is a big improvement because 80% of users have no idea they are using RGB = Limited.
[23:45] <tgm4883> KenLL: no, it's probably still automatic. Just that the automatic detection is working better on your hardware
[23:46] <k1l_> ok, so your issue is fixed. everything done
[23:46] <tatertots> please..make it stop
[23:46] <KenLL> k1l_, True, that part of the issue seems fixed though I'm still puzzled I'm using HDMI2 instead of HDMI1.
[23:46] <KenLL> But I'm told that makes no difference.
[23:47] <tgm4883> OMG
[23:47] <KenLL> I'm going to reboot my machine and see if I start once again using RGB = Full without having to explicate it via command line.
[23:48] <k1l_> KenLL: i guess you dont plan to dig into technical code or technical details on how to build a a video card hardwarewise, so stay with the easy answer and be happy.
[23:48] <KenLL> k1l_, Like I say, for 10 months I was using RGB = Limited without even knowing it.
[23:48] <KenLL> I'm lucky I realized that or I'd still to this day be using Limited.
[23:48] <k1l_> KenLL: all the channel knows your story
[23:49] <tgm4883> KenLL: have you tried adjusting your color profile yet?
[23:49] <KenLL> tgm4883, No. How do I do that?
[23:49] <tgm4883> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/color.html I guess
[23:50] <dejand> hello, i have a one question about Landscape (https://landscape.canonical.com) i cannot find information about licencing and pricing. my question is, is it free for on-prem installation and are they any limitations. Also I dont quite get what's the difference between landscape and ubutnu advantage
[23:52] <KenLL> tgm4883, It says I need to go to System Settings + Color.
[23:52] <KenLL> But I can't find that.
[23:52] <tgm4883> dejand: you have to call for pricing I believe. IIRC, up to 10 devices are free, but not on premise
[23:52] <OerHeks> dejand, scroll down.. 'get landscape .."
[23:52] <tgm4883> KenLL: you are using Unity?
[23:52] <KenLL> tgm4883, No, Mate.
[23:52] <tgm4883> FFS
[23:53] <dejand> those links just redirect to me Ubuntu Advantage
[23:53] <KenLL> I asked in #ubuntu-mate just now, but there's only 80 users in there and it probably won't get a response.
[23:54] <tgm4883> KenLL: http://askubuntu.com/questions/629832/how-to-calibrate-monitor-in-ubuntu-mate
[23:54] <KenLL> I've now upgraded my Intel Graphics Stack
[23:55] <KenLL> It's hard at work, so we'll see if this has anything to offer to me.
[23:55] <KenLL> Need to reboot.
[23:55] <KenLL> I'll be back later.
[23:55] <KenLL> Thanks for the expertise.
[23:56] <coffeeguy> hi am looking for a gmail webmail alternative with an ubuntu client?
[23:57] <OerHeks> coffeeguy, tons of free email services, not really an ubuntu support issue
[23:58] <coffeeguy> recommend any?
[23:59] <coffeeguy> true that it's not an ubuntu issue i'll ask in ##linux :)
[23:59] <OerHeks> How about the mail service your provider gives you?
[23:59] <dotscit> coffeeguy: find webclient that allows POP or IMAP. Whatever you prefer.
[23:59] <zerorax> is there any window managers that have a menu that isn't a bar, but rather a floating window?
[23:59] <zerorax> I know there WAS one 20 years ago


[03:10] <bzoltan> mhall119: no, in the Projects -> Desktop -> Run -> Add deploy step. But you d not need this if you use the latest SDK from 14.04
[03:13] <mhall119> bzoltan: I'm on the latest SDK from 14.04...
[03:14] <mhall119> that fixed it
[03:15] <mhall119> kind of
[03:15] <bzoltan> mhall119: Then I do not know... I just opened a new project from the templates (extension lib + Tabbed UI) with Desktop target as default and hit the green rectangle... the app builds and shows up
[03:15] <mhall119> setting the binary as a deploy step makes it run, but then after I close it it says the same error
[03:15] <mhall119> bzoltan: I'm trying it on Trojita, which is a C++ app with QML UI
[03:16] <mhall119> so I have a 'trojita-ubu' binary
[03:16] <bzoltan> mhall119:  I am trying the same
[03:16] <mhall119> which is listed and selected as a run configuration in Projects -> Desktop -> Run
[03:18] <bzoltan> mhall119: Let me try it
[03:19] <bzoltan> mhall119:  today is not the best day :) everybody is off in Europe
[03:20] <mhall119> bzoltan: IT'S 23:20 for me anyway
[03:21] <bzoltan> mhall119:  oh man, it is still yesterday for you...
[03:21] <bzoltan> mhall119:  this trojita builds slow... still 78%
[03:22] <mhall119> it's a bit slow when you build it all, yeah
[03:23] <mhall119> anyway, I'll talk to you in 8-9 hours
[03:27] <bzoltan> mhall119:  cheers, I will check it out and try to talk to zbenjamin too
[04:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> http://youtu.be/yQkI1a5tdgw?t=1m43s Party party party
[04:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> opps
[04:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> ignore that
[07:04] <justCarakas> Good morning
[07:08] <Anki> hello every one.
[07:09] <Anki> i am a php web developer.
[07:09] <Anki> now i want to get into the ubuntu phone htm5 app development
[07:13] <justCarakas> Anki: nice :) welcome
[07:14] <Anki> thanks!
[07:15] <Anki> i want some some help regarding installtion of ubuntu sdk
[07:16] <justCarakas> Anki: what help do you need
[07:17] <Anki> i am unable to install ubuntu sdk, an errror comes with you have broken pakages.
[07:18] <Anki> error displayed here it is
[07:18] <Anki> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[07:18] <Anki> Reading package lists... Done
[07:18] <Anki> Building dependency tree
[07:18] <Anki> Reading state information... Done
[07:18] <Anki> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:18] <Anki> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:18] <Anki> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:18] <Anki> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:18] <Anki> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:18] <Anki> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:18] <Anki>  ubuntu-sdk : Depends: ubuntu-html5-container but it is not going to be installed
[07:18] <Anki> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[07:18] <justCarakas> did you add the ppa
[07:18] <Anki> ppa no
[07:19] <justCarakas> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[07:19] <justCarakas> sudo apt-get update
[07:19] <justCarakas> this might do the trick
[07:20] <justCarakas> description can be found here
[07:20] <justCarakas> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/installing-the-sdk/
[07:21] <Anki> on update its showing this error
[07:21] <Anki> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com raring Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 16126D3A3E5C1192 Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <Anki> W: GPG error: http://in.archive.ubuntu.com raring Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:21] <Anki> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/Release
[07:21] <Anki> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:22] <justCarakas> hmm =s
[07:23] <Anki> how could i get out of this
[07:24] <justCarakas> does sudo apt-get update --fix-missing work ?
[07:25] <Anki> yes it did.
[07:25] <Anki> but in the end i showed the above displayed error message
[07:25] <justCarakas> hmm
[07:26] <justCarakas> Anki: sorry I dced
[07:27] <justCarakas> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[07:27] <justCarakas> and than try thr sudo apt-get update again
[07:28] <justCarakas> brb
[07:31] <Anki> its is still showing the same.
[07:32] <Anki> is it internal problem with my distribution ubuntu 13.04 raring desktop
[07:33] <justCarakas> I dont know
[07:33] <justCarakas> btw any reason you haven't upgraded to 13.10 or now 14.04 ?
[07:34] <justCarakas> I ran out of idea's, maybe try to google it and see if you can find something there
[07:34] <justCarakas> Im also not on ubuntu atm so its hard to test things
[07:36] <Anki> actually on upgrade i have to re install, all my packages algain
[07:36] <Anki> n reconfigure them too
[07:37] <justCarakas> if I remembered correcty you can also upgrade and than reenable your ppa's afterwards
[07:38] <Anki> okay!
[07:38] <justCarakas> first to 13.10 i think and than to 14.04
[07:38] <Anki> so should i upgrade to 14.04
[07:38] <Anki> it is beta version
[07:38] <justCarakas> no it released yesterday :)
[07:39] <Anki> oh! thanks
[07:39] <justCarakas> I'm running it on my laptop
[07:39] <Anki> i should go with this first
[07:39] <Anki> well, temme one more thing.
[07:40] <justCarakas> maybe upgrading will solve the problem (not sure if the suport was only 9 months or not
[07:43] <Anki> i want my carrier with ubuntu web/app development, so what preparation or what thing i should do for the same.
[07:43] <Anki> it need a proper planning.
[07:44] <Anki> if you please give  me a way, or direction.
[07:44] <Anki> i am very desperate towards this.
[07:45] <justCarakas> Anki: I don't really get it
[07:48] <Anki> in simple words, i want to work for ubuntu app development, and then the concern thing is earning. how could i do this.
[07:50] <justCarakas> ow, well, at the moment you can only have free apps, I'm not sure but maybe you can try something like adds or in app purchaces, but you xwould have to check that
[07:53] <Anki> okay! thank you very much for your precious time.
[07:53] <Anki> nice to meet you.
[07:53] <justCarakas> Anki: no problemo :) nice to meet you 2
[07:54] <justCarakas> I hope you get your problem solved
[08:12] <DanChapman> good morning
[09:10] <Aki-Thinkpad> I got chat banned from a mod who didn't identify himself as an op in #ubuntu for suggesting that a fresh install of 14.04 is safer than doing an upgrade... That really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
[09:11] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: wow, thats stupid, without a warning ?
[09:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, he warned, but he didnt identify himself as an OP, so it just seemed like a person with a different opinion
[09:12] <justCarakas> :s
[09:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> Now, it may be true, and I am willing to correct myself that lts to lts upgrades are perfectly safe
[09:12] <justCarakas> kinda sad to get banned for forming an opinion
[09:12] <justCarakas> but I upgraded to 14.04 and it was actually really smooth
[09:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, I believe you
[09:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> and I believed him
[09:13] <justCarakas> dutchuss2016
[09:13] <justCarakas> 11:12:22
[09:13] <justCarakas> I just updated ubuntu and now it wont start :p
[09:13] <justCarakas> :p was mine
[09:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> but in pm'ing he basically accused me that the only reason why I had a bad opinion of upgrades was from other users, or from the old days in windows.
[09:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, o_O
[09:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> that doesn't sound smooth :P
[09:14] <justCarakas> altough that might also be about skype :p
[09:14] <justCarakas> yea skype, sorry wasn't clear at first :p
[09:15] <justCarakas> but I do wonder how smooth 12.04 to 14.04 is
 Alright, I am willing to listen, but it does not make sense; why would 13.10 not be good, but 12.04 be alright?
 it does not make sense to me*
 And when it comes to my experiences where I have suffered terrible instability issues from doing upgrades, destroying the UI and what not,
 you're repeating what you've heard others say then
[09:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> okay, end rant
[09:16] <justCarakas> wow, that didn't sound like ranting
[09:16] <justCarakas> maybe try to get hold of an other admin
 ... how long is my ban for?
 come to #ubuntu-ops in 24h
[09:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> they need to put a factoid in the ubottu
[09:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> because I know even canonical employees have said that upgrading is not perfect, and so I am astonished to hear that it is against the rules to suggest that an upgrade is not always perfectly fine from lts to lts.
[09:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> anyways, ot. Sorry folks. I just needed to vent >:/
[09:20] <justCarakas> no problem, the economy used to run on steam :p
[10:00] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, I just got that joke.
[10:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> I can't get < to display in richtext
[10:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> I tried doing \<, but it didnt work
[10:58] <Aki-Thinkpad> any ideas?
[11:01] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: whats up
[11:02] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: took you a long time :p
[11:02] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: \'3c
[11:02] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/microsoft-office/9781449302047/reference-tables/ascii-rtf_character_chart
[11:03] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, heh
[11:11] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: does it work ?
[11:15] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, nope
[11:15] <Aki-Thinkpad> it outputs '3c
[11:15] <justCarakas> hmm :s
[11:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> and \\< outputs \
[11:16] <justCarakas> what are you working on Aki-Thinkpad
[11:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, an apl calculator. The < sign is a primative
[11:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am using a rich text box to give an explanation
[11:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> here, screenshot...
[11:19] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: < already tried this one ?
[11:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> http://imagebin.org/306281
[11:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, nope, I'll give it a shot
[11:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> nope, just outputs as &lt
[11:21] <justCarakas> and \R/RTF'\f6\fs18\u8804\3'
[11:22] <justCarakas> or maybe just a part from that
[11:23] <justCarakas> if that doesn't work, im out of ideas
[11:25] <tech> hi, is there anyone italian?
[11:26] <zbenjamin> mhall119: here?
[11:27] <Aki-Thinkpad> !italian
[11:27] <ubot2> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[11:27] <Aki-Thinkpad> tech, ^
[11:27] <tech> ok, bye
[11:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> good luck tech :)
[11:28] <tech> .)
[11:28] <tech> :)
[11:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> lol
[11:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, o_O  file:///home/akiva/Programming/Logic Calculator/Logic-Calculator/Logic-Calculator.qml:794 Unexpected token `'
[11:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> file:///home/akiva/Programming/Logic Calculator/Logic-Calculator/Logic-Calculator.qml:794 Expected token `)'
[11:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> its not letting me run it :P
[11:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> what voodoo is this?
[11:43] <justCarakas> autch
[12:07] <bzoltan> zbenjamin: mhall119 had problem (and me too) to run the trojita app from the qtc
[12:08] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: yeah because QtC does not realize that trojita is a Click App
[12:08] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  I mean that it does not run on the desktop
[12:08] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  local build, local run
[12:08] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: oh, thats weird
[12:09] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: does it work if you disable the ubuntu plugin?
[12:09] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: disable ubuntu plugin, remove user file and reload the project
[12:09] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  it says "no executable specified"
[12:12] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  similar problem .. the "run configuration" is not trojita
[12:13] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  so it needs the run configuration to be set to trojita
[12:15] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: hmm yeah, there is no way to tell QtC to prefer a runconfig, all we could do is use a QTimer::singleShot() to set the runconfig when the control goes back to the eventloop
[12:15] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  strange that the runconfig with the same name as the project is not the default
[12:16] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: yeah it works like that: you can register RunConfiguration factories, QtC will iterate over them and asks each of them if it can provide a runconfig for the current project
[12:16] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: first come first serve
[12:17] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: i guess we can't go around providing our own project type as we discussed with the mime magic string
[12:17] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  I see
[12:17] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: its too much hacking
[12:17] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: hacking as in workarounds :/
[12:17] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  LOL
[12:19] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  this trojita is a good test app... the chroot build failed
[12:19] <bzoltan> :-1: error: No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[12:19] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: i would suggest to first create a custom project type for us, maybe we can require some module to be included, then we can query the project file for the magic string and handle everything ourselves
[12:19] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  I would suggest to see why trojita does not build :)
[12:20] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  ehhh... ignore me, my chroot ust miss tons of deps
[12:21] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: lol ;)
[12:21] <zbenjamin> just wanted to start up QtC
[12:21] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  Qt QTWEBKIT library not found. Qt QTGUI library not found. Qt QTTEST library not found. Qt QTSQL library not found. Qt QTNETWORK library not found. Qt QTCORE library not found.
[12:21] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: wtf, did you enable the ubuntu build?
[12:22] <zbenjamin> -DWITH_UBUNTU=on
[12:22] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: otherwise it tries to build some Qt4 app ;)
[12:23] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  good hint... I missed that.
[12:23] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  now it started to build... I am motivated :) I want an IMAP client on the device ....
[12:24] <justCarakas> do we get an IMAP client ? :D WHOOT WHOOT
[12:24] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: that would be awesome
[12:24] <DanChapman> bzoltan smtp support should be working by early next week
[12:24] <justCarakas> if you where on the trusty devel branch, will you still get updates ?
[12:24] <bzoltan> justCarakas: yes, that is what we are building right now ..
[12:25] <bzoltan> DanChapman:  cool... I need that one too :)
[12:25] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: i could use some hiking app, there is maep-qt for sailfish that can show tiled maps and load tracks. Would be interesting to port it, but not with my device ;)
[12:25]  * DanChapman is working as fast as he can
[12:25] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  for me the ad-hoc wlan access point is the show starter ...
[12:25] <zbenjamin> DanChapman: go go go :)
[12:26] <DanChapman> hah :-)
[12:26] <bzoltan> DanChapman:  push it, dude, push it :)
[12:26] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: we have ad hoc wlan?
[12:26] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  not as I know... but I need that
[12:26] <zbenjamin> bzoltan: yes, sailfish has it now too
[12:27] <bzoltan> zbenjamin: I know.. and it is even a real infrastructure wlan what creates
[12:27] <justCarakas> anybody else also having this problem ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1309042
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1309042 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Calendar sync only syncs the default calendar" [Undecided,New]
[12:35] <pmcgowan> justCarakas, pretty sure thats known and tbd
[12:44] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, is the ubuntu-sdk package in the release ppa?
[12:46] <Neo31> I still have another problem installing ubuntu-emulator pmcgowan
[12:46] <pmcgowan> Neo31, ok whats that
[12:46] <Neo31> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7275350/
[12:47] <pmcgowan> thats odd, one sec
[12:48] <pmcgowan> Neo31, what does apt-cache policy ubuntu-emulator-runtime say
[12:48] <Neo31> pmcgowan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7275357/
[12:49] <pmcgowan> offs
[12:49] <pmcgowan> its in multiverse
[12:49] <Neo31> ok gotcha
[12:49] <pmcgowan> man docs need updating
[12:49] <pmcgowan> mhall119, hey, we need to update the sdk install page, its busted
[12:51] <Neo31> still cannot install pmcgowan : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7275382/
[12:51] <pmcgowan> Neo31, did you rerun apt-get update?
[12:51] <pmcgowan> I see it there for sure
[12:51] <Neo31> ok let me clean the cache
[12:52] <pmcgowan> just sudo apt-get update should fix it
[12:52] <pmcgowan> if you entered the repo name correctly
[12:52] <Neo31> I have added this line : deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty multiverse
[12:52] <Neo31> apt-get clean then update then install
[12:54] <pmcgowan> ok
[12:54] <Neo31> ubuntu-emulator is available but a dependency is missing (ubuntu-emulator-runtime)
[12:54] <Neo31> brb
[12:56] <Neo31> pmcgowan: maybe the ubuntu-emulator-runtime is in a missing repository!?
[12:57] <pmcgowan> its only built for i386
[12:57] <pmcgowan> let me find some guys
[12:57] <pmcgowan> not right
[12:57] <Neo31> ok i will try to install i386 deps
[12:57] <pmcgowan> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/a/android/
[12:59] <Neo31> i see, so the solution is to work on a 32bit system or to find a workaround (maybe by installing some 32bit libs?)
[12:59] <pmcgowan> Neo31, but thats busted, I am trying to find the devs
[13:00] <pmcgowan> I know folks are running on 64bbit
[13:00] <pmcgowan> problem is everyone is on good friday holiday
[13:00] <Neo31> yep that's it. This is for an app dev workshop I am preparing for tomorrow.
[13:00] <pmcgowan> oh crap
[13:00] <Neo31> I see
[13:01] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, zbenjamin you guys still around?
[13:01] <Neo31> I tried few days ago, but since I was on an early daily build live DVD i thought things will be good today after the final release.
[13:02] <pmcgowan> it should have been fine all along
[13:02] <pmcgowan> I happen to have 32 bit here for no good reason ;(
[13:02] <Neo31> but the critical part is ubuntu-sdk and that is alreay solved :) thanks to you pmcgowan
[13:02] <pmcgowan> good
[13:03] <pmcgowan> Neo31, someone is sure to pop online, so maybe check back later
[13:03] <Neo31> i will pmcgowan :)
[13:04] <pmcgowan> day after release, no one around :)
[13:04] <Neo31> I might need to restart once or twice to boot my main os or another live cd
[13:05] <Neo31> just a little question pmcgowan
[13:06] <Neo31> I think the emulator is i386 anyway and there should be some ia32 thing for 32bit compatibility.
[13:06] <pmcgowan> right, I suspect the dependency is wrong maybe, and it should pull it in after install
[13:06] <Neo31> shouldn't the 64bit package dependency be changed to meet these needs instead of missing a non existing 64 bit package?
[13:06] <pmcgowan> right
[13:06] <pmcgowan> thats what I dont understand
[13:07] <Neo31> I will check that later on IRC and if this is what should happen I will fire a bug for the package maintainer
[13:07] <Neo31> thanks for helping pmcgowan
[13:07] <Neo31> have a good day :)
[13:08] <pmcgowan> ok ttyl
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, BTW, your solution did work, but I put it in wrong. I didnt realize that ; was needed
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> !cookie justCarakas
[13:37] <ubot2> Aki-Thinkpad: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> !cookie
[13:37] <ubot2> Wow!  I can't make the first column smaller with a line break, and so I get diverging formatting. http://imagebin.org/306303
[13:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> see how the right app, there is little space between the columns, where as on the left, there is quite a bit?
[13:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> I tried manually setting the column width with html table params, but that didnt work
[14:07] <Aki-Thinkpad> width="70%"  in the td cell :)
[14:14] <mhall119> pmcgowan: /Touch/Install?
[14:20] <pmcgowan> mhall119, hi, no the sdk install page
[14:20] <pmcgowan> mhall119, it doesn't work for trusty at all, since ubuntu-sdk is not from the PPA
[14:20] <popey> pmcgowan: whats wrong with the emulator?
[14:20] <pmcgowan> its from universe (today anyway)
[14:21] <pmcgowan> popey, I suspect nothing, he must have added the multiverse repo incorrectly
[14:21] <popey> multiverse is on by default, has been for ages
[14:21] <pmcgowan> dunno then
[14:21] <pmcgowan> he probably had a customer list
[14:21] <pmcgowan> mhall119, popey also, we should add instructions for emulator on the sdk install page?
[14:22] <popey> pmcgowan: not just emulator, click-reviewers-tools too
[14:22] <popey> IMO the emulator should come with the sdk, not be separate
[14:22] <pmcgowan> not sure
[14:22] <pmcgowan> its a monster
[14:22] <popey> is it?
[14:22] <popey> Size: 1659916
[14:22] <popey> Size: 8935370
[14:22] <popey> hm, okay
[14:23] <popey> Size: 40343310
[14:23] <pmcgowan> but should be easy to get from qtc
[14:23] <pmcgowan> not sure we did that yet
[14:23] <pmcgowan> anyway he tried to apt-get the sdk and it didnt work, I guess becuase he turned of universe and multiverse
[14:23] <pmcgowan> I thought one needed to enable those, no?
[14:23] <pmcgowan> been so long since I clean installed
[14:24] <popey> ubuntu-sdk is in universe
[14:24] <pmcgowan> yeah I know
[14:24] <pmcgowan> is it on in new installs?
[14:24] <popey> they're on by default in new installs yes
[14:24] <pmcgowan> popey, ok, I thought not
[14:24] <pmcgowan> so maybe docs are fine
[14:26] <mhall119> pmcgowan: bzoltan: should we tell Trusty users to use the archive version instead of the PPA version of the SDK?
[14:27] <popey> i thought we decided to use the ppa always, so we can deliver updates quickly
[14:27] <mhall119> that's what I thought too
[14:27] <pmcgowan> right we did
[14:27] <pmcgowan> but today at least the PPA has no trusty version of ubuntu-sdk
[14:28] <mhall119> bzoltan: ^^ why doesn't it?
[14:28] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I think everyone is holidaze today
[14:28] <pmcgowan> but I dont see one
[14:29] <zbenjamin> pmcgowan: now back
[14:30] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I assume all the other packages are in the ppa for trusty
[14:30] <pmcgowan> just the meta is not, but it should be now forward
[14:30] <pmcgowan> zbenjamin, was trying to help a dev earlier but he's gone now
[14:30] <pmcgowan> zbenjamin, just noticed the release ppa does not have a ubuntu-sdk package for trusty
[14:32] <popey> does it need it?
[14:32] <popey> i mean, whether you add the ppa or not, if you then "apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" you'll get the sdk..
[14:34] <zbenjamin> pmcgowan: zoltan is handling the ppa usually
[14:34] <pmcgowan> popey, right, it only needs it if the meta info changes
[14:35] <pmcgowan> popey, I was concerned we needed to tell folks to enable universe and multiverse but you clarified that for me
[15:32] <bzoltan> pmcgowan: because Trusty has the trusty version
[15:32] <bzoltan> mhall119: ^^
[15:32] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, right, so its ok today but at some point may be needed in the ppa
[15:33] <bzoltan> pmcgowan: when the U is open and when we start to push to U our changes I will backport to the T in the PPA
[15:33] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, instructions "imply" the sdk ppa is all thats required to install, the dev had removed universe from is sources list
[15:33] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, vg
[15:33] <bzoltan> pmcgowan:  I did not not backport to S beacuse the Qt5.2 packages are missing
[15:33] <pmcgowan> ok
[15:34] <pmcgowan> well, we should support S and T
[15:34] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, I think we agreed to target last release and last LTS
[15:51] <camron> If I wanted to use a c/c++ lib, I would have to create a qml wrapper?
[16:24] <bzoltan> pmcgowan:  Yes, the S backporting is going to happen when Mirv has time to backport the Qt5.2 dependencies
[19:06] <pmcgowan> mhall119, still about?
[19:06] <pmcgowan> do we have docs on how to make a webapps on d.u.c?
[19:06] <pmcgowan> nm
[19:07] <pmcgowan> ah we do but its outdated
[19:15] <mhall119> yeah, it hasn't been updated in a while
[19:15] <mhall119> and since Unity8 doesn't support it yet anyway, it hasn't been a big concern
[19:16] <pmcgowan> mhall119, but no way for folks to know how to make one for phone?
[19:16] <pmcgowan> how are they working it out?
[19:16] <pmcgowan> like how to use the container?
[19:42] <mhall119> pmcgowan: oh, you mean create a click package for a website?
[19:42] <pmcgowan> you're back
[19:42] <mhall119> I thought you meant the webapps integration, which is what is on developer.u.c right now
[19:42] <pmcgowan> yeah
[19:43] <pmcgowan> well both but right now for touch
[19:43] <mhall119> I don't think we have anything for that, since it's mostly creating a .desktop with the right webbrowser-app flags in the Exec= line
[19:43] <mhall119> alex_abreu: do you know if we have anymore info that that?
[19:44] <pmcgowan> mhall119, one of the devs converted a qml webview to webapp but he did it wrong, thats why I asked
[19:44] <pmcgowan> I am jutst trying to copy the others but having some issues
[19:47] <mhall119> right, we need to put something up, we just don't have it atm
[19:49] <pmcgowan> mhall119, ok, would take much
[19:49] <pmcgowan> er would not
[19:49] <pmcgowan> mhall119, so my webapp isnt running and I cant figure out why
[20:07] <mhall119> pmcgowan: pastebin your .desktop and manifest.json please
[20:07] <mhall119> apparmor .json too
[20:09] <pmcgowan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7278458/
[20:09] <pmcgowan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7278459/
[20:09] <pmcgowan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7278461/
[20:09] <pmcgowan> trying to help adrian with his app
[20:09] <pmcgowan> but I just get black screen
[20:10] <pmcgowan> well my url pattern is wrong but thats not it
[20:10] <Neo31> pmcgowan, i was able to install ubuntu-emulator trusty 64bit (this time from an installed system not a live system)
[20:11] <pmcgowan> Neo31, ok good, yeha it should have worked
[20:11] <mhall119> hmm, everything looks in order
[20:11] <pmcgowan> so it seems to me too
[20:11] <mhall119> jdstrand: is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7278461/ using the right apparmor template for a webapp?
[20:11] <pmcgowan> let me fix that url
[20:13] <pmcgowan> mhall119, is there a way to clear out all of the files for an installed app?
[20:15] <pmcgowan> uninstall seems to clean up
[20:35] <mhall119> click unregister
[20:35] <mhall119> should do it
[20:52] <pmcgowan> thanks mhall119


[00:47] <zlaty> Hello.
[15:40] <phoe6> Hello Folks, I setup Lubuntu 18.10 and I install chromium browser. I am unable to set that as a default application.  I am looking for bug reports. I notice suggestions, but not enough information on why I am unable to set Chromium as my default App.
[15:40] <phoe6> I even removed firefox, but still chromium wont handle the hyper link click from any application
[15:43] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4OFpN7uI/
[15:45] <phoe6> Okay, this was interesting.
[15:45] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/a8q30krt/
[15:53] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/QSBaWXLC/
[16:03] <phoe6> This is really a bug in Lubuntu.
[16:03] <phoe6> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1pQRLXfG/
[19:57] <OpenSorce> Lxle 16.04 live usb on a laptop/tablet. Has Android-x86 installed. Wifi works fine out of the box in Android-x86, lspci does not show any wifi device in Ubuntu. Any help?