[17:08] <lesshaste> Pici: I am reading it now.. was just generally amazed by the other completely incorrect advice :)
[17:08] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: Any luck on this laptops gfx card? :-/
[17:08] <Halitech> lesshaste, if you want to be advantureous you could simply edit your sources.list to point to hardy then apt-get update apt-get upgrade but I wouldn't suggest it
[17:08] <sonism> batisdrazor: i use amarok 1.5 in my other box (hardy) & i can play mp3. but, at this box, it's jaunty with amarok 2, problems happen.....
[17:08] <Pici> Halitech: Please do NOT suggest that.
[17:08] <bomb> and it won't be possible to install frefox 3.5 in jaunty?
[17:08] <bullgard4> The local echo command '~$ arecord -D plughw:0,0 -c 1 -r 8000 -f S16_LE - | aplay -D plughw:0,0 -c 1 -r 8000 -f S16_LE -' produces on my computer an echo delay of perhaps 0.2 s. What does cause this delay? Is it the voice coder and voice decoder?
[17:09] <coler> so should i just forget about compiz, Unistall it?
[17:09] <lesshaste> Halitech: that's wrong too!
[17:09] <Gaming4JC> ...
[17:09] <Halitech> Pici, lesshaste thats why I said I wouldn't suggest it
[17:09] <Pici> !wfm | Halitech
[17:09] <xtoskox> someone?
[17:09] <Pici> Halitech: Why did you say it then?!
[17:09] <Jutman> coler: thats correct. You can install ubuntu, which supports it
[17:09] <lesshaste> Halitech: you must have meant point to jaunty
[17:09] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, the answer: the driver is correct, but dont support 3d things (if i am right), so your system use software rendering, and that is slow
[17:09] <xtoskox> !ask
[17:09] <Jutman> coler: or more importantly, gnome
[17:09] <coler> how do i install awn, or is there another dock that may work
[17:10] <lesshaste> Pici: so seriously.. I have to go via intrepid which is already unsupported?
[17:10] <xtoskox> !ask i need instal cabal online i my ubuntu , but.. I say that will not start because of the gameguard ... is there any way to get playing?
[17:10] <Pici> lesshaste: Intrepid is still supported
[17:10] <coler> unstall gnome?
[17:10] <lesshaste> coler: there is a repo for it
[17:10] <lesshaste> Pici: oh ok
[17:10] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: Ok, and it also doesn't support any Compiz?
[17:10] <Halitech> Pici, because techincally it would update the system but hard to say what it might do to the stability
[17:10] <Jutman> coler: install gnome
[17:10] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, yes
[17:10] <Halitech> lesshaste, no, meant jaunty
[17:10] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, or it is a driver bug
[17:10] <ManDay> Hello, can someone tell me how to "link" PON to the gnome network manager? I use PON to establish a PPP connection but the network manager doesn't recognize it as such and thus firefox goes into "Offline" mode - etc. Is there a way  to make the network manager properly detect my RFCOMM channel and use it for PPP or at least make it recognize my own PPP ?
[17:11] <defrysk> coler, sudo apt-get install it an make sure compositing in some form is enabled
[17:11] <coler> install gnome on xubuntu
[17:11] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, but dont think so
[17:11] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: I mean even the simplest 2D things are lagging, it also doesn't say I'm using 3rd party drivers. I wonder if there are any?
[17:11] <lesshaste> Halitech: that's a yes then :)
[17:11] <orgy`> hi, what's the easiest way to deactivate notifications in ubuntu 9.04 temporarily, so that i can easily reactivate them?
[17:11] <BobTheBruin> We have recently had to expand out subnet and I had to change my Jaunty desktop from a 10.1.1.x, <IP_ADDRESS> address to a 10.1.2.x, <IP_ADDRESS> address.  My problem is that I can only see about 1/2 the computers on the that still have the 10.1.1.x, <IP_ADDRESS> configuration.  Does the subnet matter on the other computers?
[17:11] <lesshaste> Pici: in any case, I really have to do a full upgrade to intrepid first?
[17:11] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, maybe your card also dont have 2d acceleration
[17:11] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, too old
[17:11] <Pici> lesshaste: yes
[17:11] <Halitech> lesshaste, dang codenames get me everytime XD
[17:11] <grawity> BobTheBruin: I think it does.
[17:11] <mdm> BobTheBruin, yes
[17:11] <lesshaste> Pici: oh dear
[17:11] <lesshaste> here goes
[17:12] <BobTheBruin> why can i see 1/2 the computers then?
[17:12] <dAnon> hi
[17:12] <coyo> oh, hi! This channel is active o.o;
[17:12] <Jutman> coler: you have xubuntu, which is using the more lightweight xfce desktop manager, instead of the gnome desktop manager, which supports compositing
[17:12] <nsahoo> aren't there ubuntu repository mirrors everywhere? does synaptic choose the nearest automatically?
[17:12] <Jutman> BobTheBruin, yes, it does
[17:12] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: ouch. :(   I would assume it was a driver bug though. Because games on Windows ME seemed to work fine, that was the OS before ubuntu...
[17:12] <TD-Linux> gaaaah, I'm angry now, don't fix stuff that isn't broke: thought I'd install flash 10 so I removed flashplugin-nonfree and installed adobe-flashplugin from their site, but now firefox doesn't detect it and it displays a white screen in konqueror 3.5.10
[17:12] <Pici> nsahoo: Check System>administration>software sources for picking a better mirror
[17:13] <BobTheBruin> We will not be able to change all of the subnets right away, is there any way around it?
[17:13] <coler> so can i install gnome on top of xubuntu, will compiz work, or should i forget about it
[17:13] <mdm> BobTheBruin, it may be becase of your switch and it may be misbehaving drivers.  But EVERYTHING you want to communcate must be ont eh same subnet otherwise its looking for the bordcasts int he wrong place(technically what your are doing is called suprtnetting)
[17:13] <lesshaste> Pici: they really should find a better way to upgrade
[17:13] <nsahoo> Pici: is there a way to check there speed?
[17:13] <lesshaste> Pici: although debian based distros are the best of a bad lot in my experience
[17:13] <TD-Linux> in addition, flash 10 does not appear as a plugin at all in firefox
[17:13] <Jutman> coler: yes, you can. Also, can you prefix your messages with "Jutman" so they're easier to pick out?
[17:13] <its_me> Can I schedule "nm-applet" to connect to Internet at a particular time?
[17:13] <TD-Linux> no matter what I do, I can't get firefox to detect the plugin
[17:13] <Pici> nsahoo: It can do a ping test to determine what mirror is the closest and choose that one.
[17:14] <xhunter> I installed ubuntu, but I can't use it, the displayign bug is KILLING me
[17:14] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, thats a problem of linux, the drivers have to be open source, but they dont wont them to be opensource, so they dont release them
[17:14] <BobTheBruin> mdm, wow so it could be with the switch?
[17:14] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: hmm... check it's in the right directory for firefox
[17:14] <TD-Linux> is there something I can do to see if there is an error log or something?
[17:14] <Jutman> its_me, yes.
[17:14] <nsahoo> Pici: thankx
[17:14] <xhunter> It's the bug when we first install ubuntu I know
[17:14] <cirvis> where can I see when I restart pc ,when shows where can i chouse from linux to windows and back?
[17:14] <xhunter> How can I fix it ?
[17:14] <mdm> BobTheBruin, do you have a layer 2 switch?
[17:14] <coler> jutman/ ok
[17:14] <TD-Linux> I made symbolic links from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to the flash plugin
[17:14] <TD-Linux> same for /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[17:14] <BobTheBruin> mdm, yeah
[17:14] <rotflfail> hi
[17:14] <coler> jutman/ like that
[17:14] <xhunter> I updated but nothing changed
[17:14] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: Bummer. Perhaps I can email triedent on the issue.
[17:14] <TD-Linux> by the way I'm on 8.04 LTS btw
[17:14] <its_me> Jutman: I am familiar with "crontab", can you help me scheduling it?
[17:14] <rotflfail> well, the LCD setting failed
[17:14] <Jutman> coler: yes, it just changes the text color on my end so I can find your messages easier
[17:15] <mdm> BobTheBruin, then it may be "helping" you find the arp's of those boxes.  Really thoguh go fix your network
[17:15] <rotflfail> will Ubuntu one day support LCD monitors fully?
[17:15] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, not really
[17:15] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, they know it
[17:15] <Jutman> its_me, can you just do it with iptables rules, or no?
[17:15] <BobTheBruin> mdm, and that is why some are working and some not?
[17:15] <takeitbythehand> anyone have a solution for finding DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS from a shell outside of the current session?
[17:15] <mdm> BobTheBruin, posibly
[17:15] <rotflfail> I spent like 2 hours so far and still LCD support in ubuntu fails
[17:15] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: I had a similar problem that was fixed by fixing the directory problem
[17:15] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: Is it possible to emulate the Windows driver on Ubuntu, as NDISWrapper does for Wifi cards? :)
[17:15] <BobTheBruin> mdm and others, thanks for the help
[17:15] <Jutman> its_me, that is, does it have to be nm-applet?
[17:15] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, no, isnt
[17:15] <mdm> BobTheBruin, it also may just be the local arp cache of the systems
[17:16] <BobTheBruin> mdm, i could see that
[17:16] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, you could buy a newer graphic card
[17:16] <Jutman> coler, why did you install xubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[17:16] <BobTheBruin> mdm, no way around it then?
[17:16] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: :-/ ... The Windows drivers are here btw: http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=55770
[17:16] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: I don't guess it matters tho :(
[17:16] <its_me> Jutman: not necessarily I just need my computer to send my Internet Password and Username to my ISP inorder to get connected.
[17:16] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, yeah, but they wont help you
[17:16] <BobTheBruin> mdm, i would have to route the traffic
[17:16] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, or u use windows or mac ;-)
[17:16] <BobTheBruin> and have two different <IP_ADDRESS> networks right
[17:16] <popey> Halitech: you dont need separate /home to reinstall over the top
[17:17] <TD-Linux> lesshaste, can you elaborate?
[17:17] <mdm> BobTheBruin, sure, go set the netmask of all the boxes on it correctly and do not mix two networks on the same wire
[17:17] <rotflfail> how to make LCD work in ubuntu without blinking?  I tried modelines,  I tried no manual settings,  I tried   cvt  + xorg.conf,  I tried xrandr --add-mode,  all failed
[17:17] <its_me> Jutman: "nm-applet" and "pppoeconf" are the only two programs that do this job, as for as I know?
[17:17] <popey> Halitech: you can reinstall with a recent ubuntu live cd and choose to _not_ format and it will preserve /home even if it's on the same partition as /
[17:17] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: It put the files in the wrong place. I think I just copied them over to where the plugins that firefox did recognise where
[17:17] <BobTheBruin> mdm, we have a 20 year old Vax that no one knows how to change
[17:17] <Jutman> its_me, I just sent you a PM
[17:17] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: so do about:plugins, see what it does find
[17:17] <Incarus> rotflfail	, upgrade to jaunty and it will work
[17:17] <ManDay> Hello, can someone tell me how to "link" PON to the gnome network manager? I use PON to establish a PPP connection but the network manager doesn't recognize it as such and thus firefox goes into "Offline" mode - etc. Is there a way  to make the network manager properly detect my RFCOMM channel and use it for PPP or at least make it recognize my own PPP ?
[17:17] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: and out the flash 10 stuff in there with it
[17:17] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: I'm not one to give up easily, time to google it. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=iCz&q=CyberBlade+i1+linux+driver&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g3 ;)
[17:18] <rotflfail> Incarus: can I do it "in place"?  without reinstall etc?  how much more hdd space is needed
[17:18] <TD-Linux> lesshaste, didn't find anything in about:plugins
[17:18] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: nothing at all??
[17:18] <mdm> BobTheBruin, I would go find someone who does know, that or put a router in front of it and keep its network seperate
[17:18] <Halitech> popey, hmmmmm not sure on that, if /home is mounted inside / and you don't format you are going to end up with a lot of needless junk that could cause interference with the new install
[17:18] <BobTheBruin> mdm, again thanks for the help
[17:18] <popey> Halitech: no, it deletes everything except /home
[17:18] <Incarus> rotflfail, 1. yes, "update-manager" 2. dont know, but not much more
[17:19] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: you are putting this in the url box in firefox right?
[17:19] <Halitech> popey, how would it do that?
[17:19] <`Scott> jutman: what irc client are you using with ubuntu?
[17:19] <mdm> BobTheBruin, for that matter if you have a vax I would assume you have real rotuers, setup two more more vlans and put the vax on one and the rest on the other then route the two togehter
[17:19] <popey> Halitech: ubuquity has had support for this for a couple of releases, you just _dont_ tick 'format'
[17:19] <TD-Linux> lesshaste, yes
[17:19] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, driver should work i think, but it could be a bug
[17:19] <Jutman> `Scott, xchat. I use bitchx occasionally, why?
[17:19] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, which ubuntu do you use?
[17:19] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: and it sees zero plugins?
[17:19] <TD-Linux> oh sorry no
[17:19] <TD-Linux> it sees default plugin, Demo Print, and GCJ
[17:19] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: As mentioned Jaunty Jackelope 9.04, latest version.
[17:19] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: fine.. so work out where those are
[17:20] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: GCJ in particular
[17:20] <BobTheBruin> mdm, that is a possibility
[17:20] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, yeah, sry XD
[17:20] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: I've not tried Karmic beta ... lol
[17:20] <Halitech> popey, well I've not tested it and don't have a system to try it on so I'll take  your word but I'll stick to my seperate /home partition anyway :)
[17:20] <`Scott> jutman: was just wondering because you said the txt changed colors and I can see that now.  I just couldn't find where to change that.  Thanks.
[17:20] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, dont try it ;-)
[17:20] <rotflfail> Incarus: well ok. but if it will still not work, I will come back here to whack you with a cluebat :P
[17:20] <bobo> Hey guys i have an issue with my file system.You see for some reason my Public folder has made like 10 copies of itself, resulting in 70Gb of fluff. Is it safe to delete all but one of the public folders?
[17:20] <popey> Halitech: you don't have to take my word for it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[17:20] <Jutman> `Scott, :) glad I could help
[17:21] <popey> Halitech: "Ubuntu now supports installations that preserve the /home directory when it already exists. To do this, manual partitioning must be used, and the partition on which data is to be preserved must not be marked for formatting."
[17:21] <TD-Linux> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/gcjwebplugin.so
[17:21] <TD-Linux> that doesn't make sense, firefoxdoesn't look there
[17:21] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, i dont really know if 3d is working in linux with the graphic card
[17:21] <Halitech> popey, I can see alot of people not selecting manual partitioning though
[17:21] <jim__> I can install 8.04, 8.10 ubuntu on y vaio rs620G with 1 gig of memory but 9.04 or 9.10 hangs on install. Any suggestions?
[17:21] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, what is the name of the manufacture?
[17:21] <popey> Halitech: sure, it's a specific use case
[17:21] <ksc654> Hello, I volunteer as a sysadmin for a small private school. I'm looking for a way to setup remote access for teachers and students. Any suggestions?
[17:21] <TD-Linux> OH xulrunner-addons, makes sense
[17:22] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: Trident Micro systems, and 2D acceleration would be an improvemnt.
[17:22] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: it'll also be in a plugins directory..just find all the directories called plugins
[17:22] <Halitech> popey, very and most people would end up wiping things out :(
[17:22] <bobo> ksc: look in the Ubuntu official documentation online
[17:22] <mdm> BobTheBruin, really though I would find someone who knows OPenVMS and can set it.  Changing its IP is not that hard.
[17:22] <popey> Halitech: not if people in here educated them :)
[17:22] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: the card is CyberBale i1 as you probably recall
[17:22] <Halitech> popey, thats assuming they come here and ask first :)
[17:22] <ksc654> bobo: I have.
[17:22] <lesshaste> has anyone compiled a new kernel on hardy?
[17:22] <mbeierl1> ksc654: vinagre / vino-server - these are VNC-based "remote desktop sharing" software for Linux/Ubuntu
[17:22] <Thingymebob> Halitech: Popey/Halitech, I've done this a couple of times. just had to recreate a couple of users and pair them back up with their home dirs. Its a very simple process.
[17:23] <TD-Linux> BANG there we go :D
[17:23] <lesshaste> Pici: not enough sapce to upgrade :(
[17:23] <lesshaste> TD-Linux: :)
[17:23] <popey> :) Thingymebob
[17:23] <bobo>  i have an issue with my file system.You see for some reason my Public folder has made like 10 copies of itself, resulting in 70Gb of fluff. Is it safe to delete all but one of the public folders?
[17:23] <Halitech> Thingymebob, glad to hear it works easily
[17:23] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, i dont know
[17:23] <TD-Linux> neato it works in firefox :D
[17:23] <TD-Linux> still nothing in konqueror :(
[17:23] <mbeierl1> ksc654: either that or you can use XDCMP, but that requires you to then use an X server on the client and if the client is Windows, that's not super easy - although can be done free of cost
[17:23] <Thingymebob> Popey: absolute breeze:-D
[17:24] <TD-Linux> it seems that flash player 10 has bugs though :(
[17:24] <mbeierl1> ksc654: (can you tell I volunteer as computer admin for a small private school?)
[17:24] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, ubuntu got the driver from xorg, but maybe 3d could work with it, but i dont know
[17:24] <TD-Linux> or youtube is broken
[17:24] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, search in google or something
[17:24] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, but i have to go
[17:24] <lesshaste>  dpkg-query --show|grep ghc lists ghc6 but apt-get remove ghc6 says it isn't installed. What is going on?
[17:24] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: I have been searching google... aok np thanks for the help
[17:24] <Gaming4JC> Incarus: cya. ;)
[17:25] <zax1> i am logged on to a live CD running on a server that has ubuntu on it. i dont know any user name, nad do not know my root password. how do i create a new user on the underlying system ?
[17:25] <Incarus> Gaming4JC, maybe karmic driver is working, it is newer http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xserver-xorg-video-trident
[17:25] <Incarus> bye
[17:25] <zax1> i asked before and could not follow, its now back in my office so i can do with it as i wish
[17:25] <ksc654> mbeierl1: I
[17:26] <grawity> zax1: run "mkpasswd -H md5 MyRootPassword", note the output, mount the drive, edit /etc/shadow and change the password hash to whatever mkpasswd gave you.
[17:27] <ksc654> mbeierl1: I've only recently setup a linux server for the computer lab. Its running LTSP and the workstations are using pxe. I set it up over the weekend.
[17:27] <petllama> its that easy to gain complete control over an ubuntu box if you have physical access?
[17:27] <zax1> grawity: do that from the live cd ? right ? which shadow file do i edit ?
[17:27] <grawity> zax1: /etc/shadow in the hard disk.
[17:28] <mbeierl1> ksc654: edubuntu?
[17:28] <zax1> i am completely new to the ubuntu world, and am a bit lost with out 'my computer' and stuff
[17:28] <sipior> petllama: yes. physical access makes effective security almost impossible, independent of operating system.
[17:28] <zax1> how do i get to the root of the drive ?
[17:28] <johnrdavisjr> does anyone have any good recommendations for podcasting books or any information?
[17:28] <ksc654> Ubuntu alternate install
[17:28] <grawity> zax1: where did you mount the drive?
[17:28] <petllama> i knew it was that easy with any MS OS, was not aware of that with *nix tho... wow
[17:28] <zax1> i didnt mount it, its showing on my desktop
[17:29] <grawity> sipior, petllama: Full disk encryption :D
[17:29] <ray_> my server dont support linux for sending email. what other options are available?
[17:29] <mininat> hi! is there anybody who know where to find good documentaiton on wiki progr'amming ?
[17:29] <mbeierl1> ksc654: join #edubuntu or #ltsp as well if you've got questions around those... might get more specific answers than here which is general desktop support
[17:29] <sipior> grawity: hah hah, not if i put a keyboard sniffer in place ;-)
[17:29] <grawity> zax1: It was mounted automatically, then ... go to Terminal, do "sudo -s" to get root on the LiveCD, and take a look in /media
[17:30] <petllama> grawity: does full disk encryption take up "lots" of sytem resources?
[17:30] <grawity> sipior: But if the user has physical access too?
[17:30] <zax1> grawity: sorry told you a lie... how DO I mount it
[17:30] <zax1> ?
[17:30] <grawity> sipior: Second, do keyloggers for laptops actually exist?
[17:30] <grawity> sipior: third, Windows' BitLocker supports storing the key on an USB pendrive.
[17:30] <Jutman> iptables question: I have the iptables forward chain set up eth0->eth1 and eth1->eth0, and I have rules in input and output for those two interfaces, will the forwarded traffic hit the INPUT and OUTPUT rules? I looks like it does, but is that the correct method?
[17:31] <wildc4rd> afternoon all
[17:31] <ksc654> mbeierl1: What I'm really looking for is vpn access for teachers and home directory access for students.
[17:33] <mbeierl1> ksc654: Ah!  Different beast altogether :) If you are running from a mixed (linux/windows) set of clients, PPTP is probably the easiest and best vpn for you to set up.  Check out  pptpd (PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server)
[17:33] <astin_villa> hello i'm using proxy server for internet  and my chatzilla and Xchat are not working....please help
[17:34] <ksc654> mbeierl1: Thanks for the info.
[17:34] <mbeierl1> ksc654: I actually use my school's Win2k3 server to act as radius server and run VPN from that, but can be done many different ways, including as I just suggested having the VPN server be linux running PPTP server software
[17:35] <mbeierl1> ksc654: are you supporting a heterogeneous school network or are all the computers using Linux?
[17:35] <Darael> astin_villa: where have you set the proxy?  In Firefox or system->preferences->network proxy?
[17:35] <Jutman> mbeierl1, why pptp and not ltsp over ipsec?
[17:35] <ray_> anyone know a decent mail program that will run on server not supporting linux
[17:35] <sipior> grawity: unless you're in the habit of shutting down the laptop, the key can generally be read out of memory. interesting research being done there. pendrives can be stolen, users can be tricked &cet. encryption is not a magic barrier.
[17:36] <grawity> sipior: When I had Windows on this laptop, it booted faster than it would resume from sleep.
[17:36] <Gaming4JC> Is it possible to compile the x-server-xorg-videop-trident 1:1.3.1-1 in jaunty? The current version for jaunty is outdated.  :P
[17:36] <sipior> ray_: well, what kind of server, exactly? sendmail is pretty standard.
[17:36] <sipior> grawity: that's nice.
[17:36] <grawity> sipior: And, how exactly are you planning to steal something from my pocket?
[17:36] <mbeierl1> Jutman: I don't know his user base.  If teachers are coming in from home using MS Windows, I find PPTP just easier to manage for them, besides, don't know how they can use LTSP from windows clients.
[17:36] <ksc654> mbeierl1: Its mixed right now. The computer lab was the first of many steps to migrate away from Windows.
[17:36] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:36] <Gaming4JC> It's currently in karmic rather than jaunty :-/
[17:36] <grawity> (Tbh, Ubuntu does not resume from sleep at all.)
[17:36] <sebsebseb> !karmic |  Gaming4JC
[17:36] <mbeierl1> ksc654: do you have a domain controller?
[17:37] <astin_villa> grawity : please. help. i'm currently viewing this chat from http://webchat.freenode.net   i want Xchat and chatzilla . i'm behind a proxy server..
[17:37] <Jutman> mbeierl1, oh, wasn't aware ltsp didn't work for windows. I have that set up on my school's vpn
[17:37] <sipior> grawity: this is drifting off-topic. google around a bit, you'll see plenty of solutions to the problems you pose.
[17:37] <musicpenguin> whats the recommended handheld digital recorder for linux?
[17:37] <Gaming4JC> ...
[17:37] <Jutman> mbeierl1, but we require the students to use linux to log into it (as they're all CS students)
[17:37] <grawity> Jutman: wait, you _require_ using a particular OS?
[17:38] <ksc654> mbeierl1: Yes. W2k3. Its overburdened. Its the PDC, http, dns, gateway and file server right now.
[17:38] <mbeierl1> ksc654: as part of a "gentle" migration away from Windows, I'd suggest looking at Likewise Open version 5 (aptitude search likewise-open) to allow the linux machines to authenticate against the Windows Domain
[17:38] <MrEgg964> What's a good way to achieve chrooted ssh?
[17:38] <gladiator> hi .. my system is getting overheated .. and the temperature monitor is no longer giving any reading for the graphics card .. and the system shuts down abruptly ..
[17:38] <ksc654> mbeierl1: I had stumbled across that over the weekend.
[17:38] <Jutman> grawity, not *require* persay, just we only support linux based clients for it. the entire point of the VPN is for access to our linux projects the students can run
[17:39] <mbeierl1> Jutman: I don't know if ltsp won't work - I just have never tried it - it would require PXE boot which cannot be done over VPN (chicken-egg) or an X server (which requires software to be installed on Windows box)
[17:39] <gladiator> i guess this is not really an ubuntu problem .. but i thought i'd ask here anyways .. what could be the solution ?
[17:39] <Jutman> mbeierl1, thats a good point, I was just curious because there are some known security issues with pptp
[17:39] <mbeierl1> ksc654: it works well, and I've got it working for me (at work I am part of the domain with my linux laptop)
[17:39] <ray_> thanks, will try sendmail, dont know exactly what kind of server, but will ask
[17:40] <ray_> thanks
[17:40] <mbeierl1> Jutman: the issues are with MS implementation of the Lanman password hash, but do not affect PPTP as a general concept
[17:40] <musicpenguin> anyone :)
[17:41] <mbeierl1> ksc654: I'd recommend replacing the PDC with a linux firewall as a first step to overall network changes.  Have it connect to the internet, and allow the PDC to do everything else it currently does
[17:41] <musicpenguin> whats the recommended handheld digital recorder for linux?
[17:41] <Jutman> mbeierl1, I'm a n00b to be honest as far as the implementation, I know I was told to run l2tp over ipsec because pptp had issues, thats all
[17:41] <bomb> can i already use ext4?
[17:41] <Halitech> musicpenguin, I don't think there are any recommended recorders
[17:41] <Jutman> bomb, yes. :P
[17:41] <greenkhakis> hey guys, anyone run ubuntu on hp mini? any good news?
[17:42] <musicpenguin> Halitech, i want to know if i can upload it to linux
[17:42] <mbeierl1> ksc654: if the PDC HTTP server is external as well as internal, you then need some firewall rules to do port forwarding, but that is easy.
[17:42] <Jutman> mbeierl1, maybe you can help me
[17:42] <musicpenguin> greenkhakis, youtube has a few hp mini with linux
[17:42] <bomb> so ext4 is stable now?
[17:42] <mbeierl1> Jutman: the security concerns for PPTP are real enough, but it really depends on what version, etc
[17:42] <Halitech> musicpenguin, you mean record something and copy the file to your computer?
[17:42] <mbeierl1> Jutman: maybe so, ask away :)
[17:42] <Jutman> mbeierl1: I have the iptables forward chain set up eth0->eth1 and eth1->eth0, and I have rules in input and output for those two interfaces, will the forwarded traffic hit the INPUT and OUTPUT rules? I looks like it does, but is that the correct method?
[17:42] <musicpenguin> Halitech, yes..handheld recorder
[17:43] <mbeierl1> Jutman: right.  I saw that post and did not understand what you're trying to do.  I'm not so hot at iptables, but let's break it down bit by bit and see if I can understand
[17:43] <mbeierl1> Jutman: eth0 - is that the one that is connected to the internet?
[17:43] <Jutman> mbeierl1, thats correct, and eth1 is the local network
[17:44] <Jutman> the INPUT chains allow <IP_ADDRESS> (we'll call that the internal ip's and <IP_ADDRESS> will be external)
[17:44] <Halitech> musicpenguin, my boss had a sony that worked fine with linux, can't think or the model off the top of my head though, wasn't a real expensive model though
[17:44] <Jutman> mbeierl1, we also have <IP_ADDRESS> which is the VPN traffic
[17:45] <musicpenguin> Halitech, ok thanks :) ill have to google it
[17:45] <Jutman> so <IP_ADDRESS> needs access to the internet on certain ports
[17:45] <mbeierl1> Jutman: that would be pppX as needed or... tunX... what does your vpn use?
[17:45] <musicpenguin> Halitech, wait...define wasnt expensive?
[17:45] <Halitech> musicpenguin, stay away from RCA units though, they are a pain
[17:45] <mbeierl1> Jutman: l2tp?
[17:45] <Halitech> musicpenguin, I think around 100.00
[17:46] <Jutman> mbeierl1, I don't know why I mentioned the VPN, its irrelevant.
[17:46] <musicpenguin> Halitech, ok.thanks..
[17:46] <greenkhakis> musicpenguin, ubuntu okay with hp mini? any major prob?
[17:46] <musicpenguin> greenkhakis, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hp+mini+ubuntu&search_type=&aq=f
[17:46] <mbeierl1> Jutman: ok... so <IP_ADDRESS> needs to be allowed to access the internet.  What you are looking for is called "masquerading", not port forwarding
[17:47] <Jutman> mbeierl1, right, I have that set up
[17:47] <Jutman> is forwarding required at all?
[17:47] <Halitech> musicpenguin, here's some info on units that work http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-370512.html
[17:47] <musicpenguin> greenkhakis, since most netbooks have the same atom chip i dont thin they would have an issue with linux...look at the eeepc..they run great with linux
[17:48] <Jutman> mbeierl1, Ideally, I want the traffic to hit the internet, but also pass through both chains as it goes out and comes back in
[17:48] <mbeierl1> Jutman: no.  only if you have, say, linux gateway on the internet on port 80 and any request coming in to it are to be forwarded to an internal web server's port 80
[17:48] <musicpenguin> Halitech, thanks ;)  im already on that site
[17:48] <Halitech> musicpenguin, cool :)
[17:48] <Jutman> mbeierl1, alright I'll have to try that.
[17:48] <musicpenguin> Halitech, great minds think a like ;)
[17:48] <mbeierl1> Jutman: the input and output chains are not really used for masq in that way.  Are you using UFW?
[17:48] <Halitech> musicpenguin, and fools seldom differ ;)
[17:49] <Jutman> mbeierl1, just straight iptables
[17:49] <lonewolf> Linux rules!
[17:49] <musicpenguin> Halitech, O_o
[17:49] <mbeierl1> Jutman: the only thing that is used for masq is the single "-A POSTROUTING -s 10..0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE "
[17:50] <mbeierl1> Jutman: the return traffic is not "input", it follows the same connection back in to the source
[17:50] <Kristof_D> lonewolf: everyone here already knows that, go convince people in #windows ;)
[17:50] <lonewolf> LOL
[17:50] <Jutman> mbeierl1, is there any way of firewalling that traffic?
[17:50] <hemanth> Unable to active compiz on 9.04 with  nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
[17:51] <Gaming4JC> Thanks all for your help, g2g.
[17:51] <mbeierl1> Jutman: think of it like a telephone switchboard.  the call is going "out" by the client calling someone else.  The other party speaking comes back over the came phone call, they don't call back to give the answer
[17:51] <lonewolf> I don't want to waste time with Winzozz users :-D
[17:51] <mbeierl1> Jutman: are you thinking like web filtering?
[17:51] <felipe__> Hola estimados, tengo un problemita, tengo dos computadores con ubuntu 9.04 en una red ambos se pueden hacer ping el uno al otro con respuesta inmediata y ambos tienes carpetas compartidas, pero cuando voy a redes los equipos no se ven y si trato de ingresar a la carpeta compartida con samba ej: smb://192.168.2.x tampoco funciona, alguien me puede dar una mano?
[17:52] <lonewolf> Bye all... and up with Ubuntu!
[17:52] <DVA59121> Whats a good ide for C++ programing?
[17:52] <bastidrazor> windows users even know what irc is?
[17:52] <lonewolf> ROOOOFL
[17:52] <felipe__> soryy I though this was the ubuntu-es
[17:52] <felipe__> nevermind
[17:52] <Jutman> mbeierl1, I've actually got to head out, but thanks for the help. I'll read a little more on the subject
[17:52] <mbeierl1> Jutman: see, if the other party tries to call back, they HAVE to call the linux gateway, as that is the only address they know, and the gateway is already hiding the original clients from the internet at large, so they are by default firewalled.
[17:52] <lonewolf> bye
[17:52] <mbeierl1> Jutman: ok, best of luck :)
[17:52] <hemanth> Unable to active compiz on 9.04 with  nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
[17:52] <Jutman> mbeierl1, thanks. appreciate it
[17:53] <mbeierl1> Jutman: that's why we're all here :)
[17:53] <DVA59121> Anyone have any preference on C++ editors
[17:53] <DVA59121> Perferably an IDE
[17:53] <hemanth> DVA59121: code blocks
[17:53] <hemanth> DVA59121: geany
[17:53] <Titan8990> DVA59121, eclipse or emacs
[17:53] <hemanth> DVA59121: Eclipse
[17:53] <DVA59121> hemanth: is codeblocks part of the repositories? I cant find it
[17:54] <DVA59121> geany im not fond of
[17:54] <musicpenguin> Halitech, found 2...but one website wants about 100 and frys wants $20
[17:54] <hemanth> DVA59121: no its not a part of the repo
[17:54] <Halitech> musicpenguin, frys would be a no-brainer then if there is a store close to you
[17:55] <musicpenguin> Halitech, its close but i wonder why one wants $119 but frys is selling it for  $19.99
[17:55] <reenignEesreveR> im having a strange behaviour. On a folder, I've got read access for group enabled and i am member of the group which the folder belongs to. but still when i try directory listing it gives me access denied error
[17:55] <Halitech> musicpenguin, same model? maybe its an older model and frys is just trying to clear out stock
[17:55] <musicpenguin> Halitech, Panasonic RR-US490
[17:56] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: try enabling the execute bit as well.
[17:56] <short__error> so what is the topic of the day
[17:56] <musicpenguin> thats just so odd
[17:56] <musicpenguin> short__error, mullets...in or out
[17:57] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, it worked by setting x bit ... why did this happen?
[17:58] <Halitech> musicpenguin, I would say older stock, panasonic doesn't even list a price for it
[17:58] <aXeus>  Gparted the tool typically used to expand home partitions on Ubuntu?
[17:58] <short__error> musicpenguin: if i am not correct mullets are out....
[17:58] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: the execute bit allows directory search.
[17:58] <aXeus> I just did an apt-get install gparted and it's showing my hard disk as unallocated space. -.-
[17:58] <musicpenguin> Halitech, ok..ill go to frys later today or tomorrow
[17:58] <Halitech> musicpenguin, let us know how it works out
[17:58] <musicpenguin> short__error, mullets are making a come back
[17:58] <musicpenguin> Halitech, wil do :)
[17:59]  * musicpenguin sports his finely combed mullet
[17:59] <short__error> musicpenguin: this is true i have seen a few out there....
[17:59] <resno> what is the off topic address?
[17:59] <musicpenguin> TuxPurple, nice name
[17:59] <sipior> resno: #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:59] <grawity> resno: If you mean the channel, there are #ubuntu-offtopic and #defocus.
[17:59] <musicpenguin> resno, ubuntu...
[18:00] <TuxPurple> ty musicpenguin :)
[18:00] <resno> thanks sipior grawity musicpenguin
[18:00] <musicpenguin> resno, that will be $2 please
[18:00] <resno> musicpenguin: sure, where should i send it?
[18:01] <musicpenguin> resno, i take cash, money orders, or chocolate
[18:01] <musicpenguin> sysdoc, hiya :)
[18:02] <short__error> do any of you know anything as far as programing.....
[18:02] <petllama> echo "hello world"
[18:02] <petllama> thats about it
[18:02] <bruenig> !ot | short__error
[18:02] <musicpenguin> short__error, i can program my dvd player
[18:02] <diddy> hello folks
[18:03] <sysdoc> musicpenguin, hey dewd wassup?
[18:03] <musicpenguin> diddy, hello
[18:03] <diddy> I have a question regarding hibernation.
[18:03] <musicpenguin> sysdoc, chillin like a penguin
[18:03] <diddy> or suspension.
[18:03] <diddy> My Ubuntu 9.04 is fully encrypted. Can I still use hibernation safely?
[18:03] <sysdoc> musicpenguin, hey ya mind if I pm ya for a sec?
[18:03] <hemanth> Is there a VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]   (rev b2)  in ubuntu 9.04??
[18:04] <Goutam> pls can sumone help me playing .wpl filetype in ubuntu?
[18:04] <musicpenguin> sysdoc, yes
[18:04] <musicpenguin> i found a problem with ubuntu install
[18:04] <grawity> Goutam: .wpl files are simple playlists, AFAIK... just opem them in a text editor and you should see the actual URL.
[18:04] <musicpenguin> i have windows and ubuntu installed
[18:04] <musicpenguin> lets say i want to reinstsall ubuntu
[18:04] <diddy> Anybody knows?
[18:05] <musicpenguin> i cant..cuz it wont see windows anymore
[18:05] <musicpenguin> weird
[18:05] <reenignEesreveR> is it possible to make a directory inherit the security settings everytime a new subfolder iis created in it?
[18:05] <musicpenguin> it goes for both 8 and 9
[18:05] <Goutam> grawity: ya they are windows media player playlist
[18:05] <musicpenguin> sysdoc, spit it out!
[18:05] <hemanth> Goutam: are you playing it from an url ?
[18:05] <sysdoc> musicpenguin, ya said yes, as in you do mind if I'd pm ya
[18:05] <Goutam> grawity: after opening them in text editor cn i sav them in any playlist format i want?
[18:05] <musicpenguin> sysdoc, i dont mind
[18:06] <musicpenguin> sysdoc, you may proceed
[18:06] <ehazlett> anyone up for some beta testing?  (web based app) -- i need around 5
[18:06] <Dunge> How long does it usually takes before an email sent to a mailing-list appear? Or any reason why it don't? (I'm subscribed)
[18:07] <Halitech> ehazlett, testing what?
[18:07] <qense> Does anyone here knows something about problems with the 'Unlock' button in GNOME/Hardy? Someone with a Dell asked me for help with this. Do they use different versions?
[18:07] <Halitech> Dunge, depends on the mailing list and how they have it set up
[18:07] <ehazlett> Halitech: have you heard of reconstructor?
[18:07] <Dunge> Halitech : yeah I guess..
[18:07] <ubuntistas> how can i play a m4v file? any clue?
[18:08] <Halitech> ehazlett, not off the top of my head but I don't remember what I had for breakfast :O
[18:08] <lompfong> ubuntistas: with a media player
[18:08] <grawity> ubuntistas: .m4v's are MPEG-4 movies, so try either Totem or VLC.
[18:08] <Dunge> too bad nobody alive in the irc channel and the mailing list don't respond
[18:08] <grawity> ubuntistas: I think Ubuntu comes with Totem preinstalled.
[18:08] <JediMaster> hey guys, does anyone know of any sort of virtualisation software or clustering that would allow a website to share load and files over multiple servers (preferablly running ubuntu)
[18:08] <Halitech> Dunge, I'm on some that go right through, others are approved by a live person
[18:08] <ubuntistas> grawity doesn't play
[18:08] <th0r> ubuntistas: if it isn't an itunes video you can play it with vlc...if it is from itunes you are out of luck
[18:08] <grawity> Dunge: What IRC channel would that be?
[18:08] <Dunge> #directfb
[18:08] <ehazlett> Halitech: yeah, me neither :P  here's the site...  details for testing are on the front page...  http://www.reconstructor.org  here's a tech preview of the new version: http://reconstructor.org/pub/rv3_preview/
[18:09] <hemanth> Goutam: cat yourfile.wpl to a variable and loop each to vlc
[18:09] <ubuntistas> it's an itunes video any clue?
[18:09] <th0r> ubuntistas: you could play it in your ipod
[18:09] <Halitech> ehazlett, will take a loot
[18:09] <ehazlett> Halitech: awesome, thanks!
[18:09] <ubuntistas> how can i play a m4v file? it's an itunes video
[18:10] <mdm> JediMaster, what you are asking for is a filesystem that can share files across multiple server.  With NFS you can do this easily.  And if you wanted to stadardize your web farm make them all pxeboot and put no harddrives in them
[18:10] <ubuntistas> thor i screen very small
[18:10] <MrKeuner> recently, gnome applets started crashing after the system is restarted. They seem to run fine otherwise. What may be the problem?
[18:10] <sipior> ubuntistas: play it in itunes, i'm afraid. you can try installing it under wine, i imagine.
[18:10] <Goutam> hemanth: pls can u mak the thing a bit simpler
[18:10] <Goutam> hemanth: i cant get it
[18:10] <Halitech> ehazlett, not crazy on the swf file on the preview page
[18:10] <Dunge> ubuntistas : try VLC it read any kind of video
[18:10] <ThJ> Why is it that if I add a custom input device to xorg.conf, all hotplugging functionality goes out the window? I'm trying to add a touchscreen section, and it's killing both my mouse and my keyboard.
[18:11] <ehazlett> Halitech:  there's an mp4 at the bottom
[18:11] <ubuntistas> doesn't play dunge
[18:11] <Halitech> ehazlett, I shouldn't have to download a 33 meg file to see whats already online though
[18:11] <JediMaster> mdm: I'm not asking for sharing, I need replication like a cluster, so if a machine physically blows up, there's a tiny amount of lag for a split second then the rest of the cluster takes over
[18:11] <hemanth> Goutam: cat the wpl file and grep for media src= so that you will get the source of the file { the link }, pass that link to vlc , it will play the songs , just use a loop in a bash script
[18:12] <mdm> JediMaster, you dont have to make it that complex, simple round robin dns can do that
[18:12] <ivanatwork> I'm using Ubuntu in live mode (CD only). Is there a way to store, say, all my installed applications and my settings to an external hard disk ?
[18:12] <JediMaster> mdm: and sharing cpu load between teh machines
[18:12] <ehazlett> Halitech: yeah, but do to the way it's setup, signup is not public yet -- still testing...
[18:12] <Goutam> hemanth: thnx
[18:12] <sipior> ubuntistas: the video is in all likelihood encrypted, and won't play outside of iTunes and the remainder of the Apple demesne. Sorry.
[18:12] <hemanth> Goutam: np
[18:12] <JediMaster> mdm: how does roundrobin dns help if the nfs server dies?
[18:12] <mdm> JediMaster, cluster the nfs server
[18:13] <mdm> JediMaster, how many 9's would you like to pay for?
[18:13] <ubuntistas> thx sipior
[18:13] <Joeseph> Is there a way I can make Rhythmbox use the system-wide notifications to tell me what song it is playing when it switches songs?
[18:13] <JediMaster> mdm: as little as possible =)
[18:13] <shorterror> ok i could not find the off topic server D=
[18:14] <ivanatwork> I'm using Ubuntu in live mode (CD only). Is there a way to store, all my installed applications and my settings to an external hard disk ?
[18:14] <grawity> shorterror: There is no "off topic server", there is just a channel. (Two channels, actually)
[18:14] <Halitech> ehazlett, so basically reinventing backup systems like remastersys
[18:14] <hemanth> #compiz
[18:14] <mdm> JediMaster, thats what I thought.  If the content is not great you can rdist the web server directory and use round robin dns to serve from them
[18:14] <thiebaude> shorterror: #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:14] <grawity> ivanatwork: Probably not. (It _might_ be possible, but it would be a lot harder than just installing Ubuntu to the same disk.)
[18:15] <shorterror> ok that could explain my problem one to many dash's :|
[18:15] <JediMaster> mdm: unfortunately that's far from bullet proof, if a server goes down the round robin dns still points to it
[18:15] <ehazlett> Halitech: well, to be fair, reconstructor was first... ;)  and remastersys is a totally different project -- you have to have a complete, running system, configured just the way you like and then backup
[18:15] <mdm> JediMaster, bullet proof means $$$
[18:15] <ubuntistas> how can i play a m4v file? it's an itunes video any clue?
[18:15] <ehazlett> Halitech: reconstructor allows anyone -- mac, windows, linux to rebuild the ubuntu live disc with any customizations they want -- wallpaper, themes, applications, etc.
[18:15] <JediMaster> mdm: for software or hardware? we're looking at getting 2-3 fairly beefy servers and adding to them later
[18:16] <ivanatwork> grawity, the external USB HD is slow ... thank you, btw ;)
[18:16] <sipior> ubuntistas: seriously, i wasn't lying to you.
[18:16] <JediMaster> mdm: would like to do the software for as little as possible so we can spend more on the hardware
[18:16] <mdm> JediMaster, you could put in two boxes and cluser them
[18:16] <mdm> and JediMaster it sort of depends on if you want fail over or clink over
[18:16] <ubuntistas> lol ok sipior i know i just want if is any other way to play it
[18:17] <Halitech> ehazlett, not sure which was around first but remastersys has its name out and around :)  might work but hard to say ... what kind of testing are you looking for?
[18:17] <JediMaster> mdm: how does the clustering work, can you cluster a virtual machine and run ubuntu? or would you have to have an OS that supports it directly?
[18:17] <sipior> ubuntistas: yes. install iTunes via wine. that may work.
[18:17] <JediMaster> mdm: ideally failover
[18:18] <mdm> JediMaster, clustering works by sharing resources (mainly filesystems and ips) they have a sepeate system for checking if the other is up (disk or network) and when one dies the other takes over
[18:18] <JediMaster> mdm: how do these big companies do these scaling clustered servers? Is it something like one of the enterpirse vmware solutions?
[18:18] <ehazlett> Halitech:  basic usage of the app -- create a project, let the build server build it, then download it...  i just want some more eyes on it than mine :)
[18:18] <Halitech> ehazlett, so its all done online?
[18:18] <mdm> JediMaster, with something called a F5 load balancer and multiple web servers
[18:18] <shorterror> is there a way i can play Counter Strike Source on Ubuntu  =/
[18:19] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, could you please tell me how to set execute bit automatically everytime a subdirectory is created?
[18:19] <ehazlett> Halitech: yep, completely online.  you can even build a project from an iphone
[18:19] <mdm> JediMaster, F5 is one of many people who make load balancers
[18:19] <JediMaster> like the cisco load balancing boxes?
[18:19] <JediMaster> installed one many moons ago
[18:19] <Halitech> ehazlett, well I don't have an iphone but sure, I'll give it a shot
[18:19] <mdm> JediMaster, yes
[18:19] <MK13> ivanatwork, you could try making a live usb drive that is persistent, plenty of tutorials on that
[18:19] <ehazlett> Halitech: yeah, neither do i, but i was just saying
[18:20] <JediMaster> so one external ip, goes into the box and splits between the servers and then share the FS and database between the two (or more) servers
[18:20] <ehazlett> halitech: email the address on the front page of the website -- i will get you an account
[18:20] <Thingymebob> ehazlett: I'm in the middle of building my own live image to carry around on a pendrive with me, I'll give it a shot.
[18:20] <mdm> JediMaster, yes
[18:20] <Halitech> ehazlett, be a cool feature for someone who's computer is down and needs an OS as long as they can download it from another system
[18:20] <JediMaster> I'm still liking the idea of clustered virtual machines
[18:20] <mdm> JediMaster, because buying 1U rack servers is cheper then buying 10U high end servers
[18:20] <JediMaster> indeed
[18:20] <ehazlett> Thingymebob: cool -- check http://www.reconstructor.org (front page) -- email the address for an account
[18:20] <mdm> JediMaster, what do you do if the vm machine goes down?
[18:20] <ehazlett> Halitech:  thx
[18:21] <jon_high9000> anybody here know anything about postfix?
[18:21] <Thingymebob> ehazlett: will do
[18:21] <JediMaster> load balance two vms? ;-D
[18:21] <ehazlett> Thingymebob: thanks :)
[18:21] <Halitech> ehazlett, what subject line?
[18:21] <ehazlett> Halitech: Reconstructor Beta will be fine
[18:22] <mdm> JediMaster, it will work, its overkill, but it will work.  How much will you spend on two mid range servers rather then 4 1U servers and a load balancer?
[18:22] <Threetimes> hi, i'm trying to do this: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=73599 but i can only set the opacity between 0 and 100
[18:22] <Halitech> ehazlett, email sent
[18:22] <jerbear> Are there going to be any packages for Python 3.1?
[18:22] <ehazlett> Halitech:  cool -- expect a return shortly :)
[18:22] <mdm> JediMaster, keep in mind web servers use relativly little CPU, some memory and mostly network
[18:23] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: you can set the mask to 027: "umask 027". new directories should have permissions "rwxr-x---"
[18:23] <mdm> JediMaster, clustering is for CPU and memory intensive apps, like a database.  web servers dont even come close tho needing that kind of resouces
[18:24] <dio_> hello people
[18:24] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: might be easier just to change them all after the fact: "chmod -R g=rx <parent dir>"
[18:25] <Thingymebob> ehazlett: email sent
[18:25] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, is it possible to do it without changing the umask?
[18:25] <ehazlett> Thingymebob: cool
[18:25] <rubydiamond> guys .. I have setup a cronjob http://pastie.org/528211
[18:25] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, actually i wanna do it for a particular directory only
[18:25] <rubydiamond> but  utils:populate_feeds never gets run
[18:25] <rubydiamond> can somebody help ..
[18:25] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: then "chmod g=rx <directory>"
[18:26] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, i'll have to do a chmod everytime a new subdir is created?
[18:26] <jerbear> Are there going to be any packages for Python 3.1?
[18:26] <MK13> Threetimes, if you want a good window manager, try emerald
[18:26] <Threetimes> the transparency isn't the problem, it is the blur
[18:27] <Threetimes> brb
[18:27] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, does sticky bit help?
[18:27] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: yes. consider writing a small script to do this if you find it tedious. or, as i mentioned earlier, you can use the recursive (-R) switch for chmod.
[18:27] <MK13> Threetimes, emerald does that very well
[18:28] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, for certain reasons that isn't feasible for me
[18:28] <reenignEesreveR> isn't there any way of inheriting parent directory's security attributres?
[18:28] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: the sticky bit on a directory means that only owners of a file can delete that file, irrespective of the permission set on the parent directory.
[18:28] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: write a script, then.
[18:29] <rubydiamond> guys .. I have setup a crontab http://pastie.org/528211 .. but second crontab  never run
[18:30] <glavanway> Hello all, first time connecting to irc
[18:30] <Bodsda> Is it possible to run two xsessions at once? I want to run fluxbox primarily but be able to switch to gnome without logging out
[18:30] <sebsebseb> !welcome |  glavanway
[18:30] <tonii> hello glavanway
[18:30] <albech> i am getting some mis rendered fonts in Qt applications like Skype, VLC etc. Anyone else experience this?
[18:31] <x3rm> hi to all
[18:31] <glavanway> So this is a 'chat room' based on support for ubuntu??
[18:31] <Threetimes2> hi, the blur in http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=73599 doesn't work
[18:31] <sebsebseb> glavanway: yes
[18:31] <glavanway> Awesome!
[18:31] <tonii> glavanway: that would be an accurate description :P
[18:31] <x3rm> i've a Windows installed on HD 1, and Ubuntu on HD2, i install first windows XP, and later ubuntu. But when i reboot my grub not load only load windows boot
[18:31] <Bodsda> glavanway: correct'ish -- not a chat room, a support channel :)
[18:31] <MrKeuner> rubydiamond, try #bash
[18:31] <grawity> Bodsda: Same thing.
[18:32] <Threetimes2> join #compiz
[18:32] <Bodsda> grawity: not really, chat room insinuates a non-formal topic, whereas support channel insinuates a formal topic
[18:32] <glavanway> I have been using ubuntu for years.  Before ubuntu I used RedHat and Fedora.  I just recently ditched windows completely and now I am hving issues.
[18:32] <bucky> chat rooms have doors
[18:32] <Threetimes2> sorry, forgot the slash
[18:32] <IndyGunFreak> glavanway: thats how it always goes... ;0
[18:32] <sebsebseb> !details |  glavanway
[18:32] <mdm> Bodsda, irc implies channels, it does not have rooms
[18:33] <sebsebseb> x3rm: ok pastebin your Grub menu.list and i'll have a look
[18:33] <beratalp> are there any turks here?
[18:33] <x3rm> sebsebseb, i think i need to reinstall grub
[18:33] <x3rm> with livecd but i don't know what issue with my localdisk when i disable the first disk
[18:33] <x3rm> why fail
[18:33] <sebsebseb> !tr |  beratalp
[18:33] <x3rm> and show Grub error 2
[18:33] <Bodsda> mdm: hmm, not sure why you sent that to me. I'm quite happy with the statement "It does not have rooms" -- and how does the words 'Internet' 'Relay' 'Chat' imply channels?
[18:34] <bucky> irc doesn't have any rooms like linux doesn't have any folders
[18:34] <glavanway> I am running ubuntu 9.04 (2.6.30 kernel) on a Dell Latitude X300.  The issue is not matter what I do I cannot set the resolution higher than 1024x786.
[18:34] <MrKeuner> beratalp, No, they went to istanbulive
[18:34] <tonii> splitting hair is fun
[18:34] <tonii> channel - room, folder - directory...
[18:35] <Bodsda> its a channel, and they are direcotries. I dont see the confusion
[18:35] <glavanway> tomato - tomato, oh that doesn't work so well in chat
[18:35] <tonii> hehe
[18:35] <Bodsda> anyway, back to my original question
[18:35] <grawity> Bodsda: When IRC was initially created, "channels/rooms" were numbered - 1, 4, 7, 123 ... like TV channels or something.
[18:35] <Bodsda> Is it possible to run two xsessions at once? I want to run fluxbox primarily but be able to switch to gnome without logging out
[18:36] <mdm> Bodsda, RFC1459
[18:36] <Halitech> ehazlett, playing around with it now, I assume all necessary packages are installed by default?
[18:36] <dbu> Hi, I was wondering if anyone who has a working xorg.conf with DualHead (for fglrx) on jaunty would be willing to share it?
[18:36] <glavanway> Bodsda that would sort of negate the purpose of running fluxbox.  Sorry never heard of running 2 at once.
[18:36] <ehazlett> Halitech: yeah, the base ubuntu build --
[18:36] <Halitech> ehazlett, ok
[18:36] <Bodsda> mdm: a request for comments does not explain implication of three seperate words
[18:37] <DVA59121> What is the average battery run time for a dell latitud
[18:37] <glavanway> To fill in xorg.conf dbu run "sudo dexconf -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[18:37] <mdm> Bodsda, go read it
[18:37] <bucky> Bodsda: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=two x sessions at a time
[18:38] <sipior> Bodsda: sure, you can have two X Window sessions running. have a look at "Xnest" (there might even be a menu entry for this by default)
[18:38] <Thingymebob> ehazlett: Cheers, do you have a dedicated channel or are you always in here?
[18:38] <glavanway> I have a Dell Latitude X300 with 2 batteries and I get about an hour on one.
[18:38] <Flannel> bucky: Please remain helpful.  That sort of response is not welcome here.
[18:38] <ehazlett> Thingymebob: yeah -- ##reconstructor
[18:38] <bucky> it was the first result
[18:38] <Thingymebob> ehazlett:8-)
[18:39] <Bodsda> bucky: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why do I post slightly rude links to make a point when I myself have not validated the results, because if I had I would have realised that they no longer work
[18:39] <grawity> Bodsda: You forgot to replace spaces with +'s.
[18:39] <glavanway> I am running ubuntu 9.04 (2.6.30 kernel) on a Dell Latitude X300.  The issue is not matter what I do I cannot set the resolution higher than 1024x786.
[18:39] <bucky> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Why am i so damn lazy
[18:39] <Bodsda> I do apologise
[18:40] <Flannel> bucky: Your point?  It's rude.  If the first result is relevant, give them the first result, after verifying that its contents are accurate.
[18:40] <Bodsda> bucky: why are you so rude?
[18:40] <sipior> all right, kids, let's move on.
[18:40] <glavanway> Sorry, to post and run guys, but lunch is over.
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> hey all, with firefox 3.5 out tomorrow, will all addons glide painlessly to the next version?
[18:41] <everton137> Hi, can someone help me to configure a adsl router together with a wifi router? I can access wifi router (netgear wg614) from my laptop using wifi, accessing IP <IP_ADDRESS> (default was <IP_ADDRESS>, but it's the same as adsl's). But I cannot wifi access adsl router, neither wifi router, from my PC. Can someone help me, please?
[18:41] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: didn't know that it's out tommorow,  cool
[18:41] <Flannel> ActionParsnip: You'll probably want to ask the firefox people that.  I'm not sure if there's a channel on freenode, but #firefox on irc.mozilla.org should be able to answer that
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=open_source&articleId=9134936&taxonomyId=88&intsrc=kc_top
[18:41] <glavanway> BTW yakuake is a pretty cool terminal app.  check it out.
[18:41] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: I guess it won't just be in the Ubuntu repo for 9.04 though :(  since security updates only
[18:42] <Mark21> .win 20
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> Flannel: good point lad, thanks
[18:42] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: and usually it takes a while for all or most add ons to work with a later major version of Firefox
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> everton137: connect to the AP and wait for dhcp, then run: route | grep default
[18:43] <msalil87> how much download is it to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04?
[18:43] <Bodsda> Is it possible to run two xsessions at once? I want to run fluxbox primarily but be able to switch to gnome without logging out
[18:43] <lenswipe> hey people
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: its one reason i dont use it
[18:44] <lenswipe> does anyone in here play Open Arena under ubuntu?
[18:44] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: you know the Open Arena game for ubuntu?
[18:44] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: try starting x in two different tty's
[18:44] <bucky> Bodsda: yes it is possible
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> everton137: you can then type that ip into your browser
[18:44] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: do you know where i can get the source code so i can compile it for centos?
[18:44] <Bodsda> Kristof_D: yeah, I get an error stating that the xserver is already running
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: not familiar, sorry
[18:44] <Halitech> ehazlett, if I add a package, will it automatically include all dependencies as well?
[18:44] <Bodsda> bucky: wow, thats almost as useless as your previous posts
[18:44] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: All the same, you dont happen to know where i can lay hands on the source code do you?
[18:45] <ehazlett> Halitech: yes, all dependencies will be resolved and installed
[18:45] <sebsebseb> !ot |  lenswipe
[18:45] <sipior> Bodsda: you need to specify display :1.0 with the -display switch, most likely.
[18:45] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: right, I forgot that by default it always starts in tty7, but maybe there's some kind of command line option?
[18:45] <Halitech> ehazlett, ok, this is sounding pretty cool
[18:45] <lenswipe> !botabuse | sebsebseb
[18:45] <sebsebseb> lenswipe: CentOS stuff is off topic here!
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/openarena
[18:45] <everton137> ActionParsnip, what is AP?
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> everton137: access point
[18:46] <lenswipe> sebsebseb: Im asking where to get the source code for an ubuntu game :) that is not offtopic
[18:46] <msalil87> hello! how much download to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04?
[18:46] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: Thank you :)
[18:46] <Titan8990> lenswipe, if its in the apt:   sudo apt-get source PACKAGE
[18:46] <msalil87> or any other statistics?
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: open arena is not an "ubuntu game" its a game that just happens to run n "ubuntu"
[18:46] <msalil87> is it worth?
[18:46] <Bodsda> sipior: i ran   startx --display :1.0   from tty6 and got the same xserver error
[18:46] <topramen> can anyone tell me what are the known problems as to why k3b, and Brasero want burn or copy properly<<<
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: you can run it on any distribution
[18:47] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: Yeah, i know sorry, i was trying to make it clear to sebsebseb that it was not offtopic
[18:47] <sebsebseb> lenswipe: indeed at what he said
[18:47] <sipior> Bodsda: "man startx"
[18:47] <reenignEesreveR> how to set sticky bit? chmod +t or +s ?
[18:47] <Yashy> $ ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
[18:47] <Yashy> Error loading the runtime (/tmp/air.CAIeIp/build/opt/Adobe AIR/Versions/1.0/Resources/libicudata.so.36: file too short)
[18:47] <KrispyKreme> My fast-user-switch-applet was deleted from the taskbar by mistake and was wondering how I make it appear like the default again. I tried sudo apt-get install fast-user-switch-applet, and everything was downloaded. What's next?
[18:47] <CaptainMorgan> !LTS
[18:47] <Yashy> Anyone seen this error?
[18:47] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: +t
[18:47] <reenignEesreveR> sipior, chmod g+t doesn't have any affect. any idea?
[18:47] <lenswipe> ActionParsnip: you can indeed run it on any distro, whats quite annoying is that CentOS dont provide it in their repos, hence my need to get the source code from here :
[18:47] <lenswipe> L:)
[18:47] <ActionParsnip> lenswipe: well it kinda is if its not for ubuntu
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> Yashy: try redownloading the file, sounds corrupted
[18:48] <msalil87> could somebody reply please? :)
[18:48] <sipior> reenignEesreveR: just "+t"
[18:48] <sebsebseb> lenswipe: maybe you should try the general Linux channel ##linux
[18:48] <Bodsda> sipior: I cant find anything relevant in there
[18:48] <Spike1506> ehm
[18:48] <mbeierl> !ask | msalil87
[18:48] <sipior> Bodsda: have a look in "man xinit", should cover the options there.
[18:48] <Spike1506> whenever i type a url in firefox its reversed?
[18:49] <ibuclaw> Spike1506, how so?
[18:49] <sipior> Bodsda: or try installing xnest
[18:49] <ibuclaw> could you give an example?
[18:49] <linxeh> msalil87: it is worth upgrading because if you dont you'll end up not getting security updates in the near future
[18:49] <Bodsda> sipior: same error with xinit, looking at xnest now
[18:49] <msalil87> ubottu: I did ask.. seems easy for you people.. how much download to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04.. but no one answers..
[18:49] <Spike1506> ibuclaw, whenever i type something its going from right to left instead of left to right;; so right because thgir
[18:49] <linxeh> msalil87: this is a busy channel, people dont always see - you might need to repeat your question after a few minutes if nobody answers
[18:49] <msalil87> linxeh: thankyou
[18:50] <Yashy> ActionParsnip: $ md5sum AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
[18:50] <Yashy> 11dad520f88373590aeefebc831d8c1e  AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
[18:50] <sipior> Bodsda: what precise command line did you use for startx/xinit?
[18:50] <linxeh> msalil87: fwiw, if you aren't using the LTS release (8.04) you should upgrade as often as you can - in my opinion anyway
[18:50] <Bodsda> sipior: xnest opens in a window on the current xserver
[18:50] <Yashy> It's the official .bin
[18:50] <sipior> Bodsda: sure does.
[18:50] <Bodsda> sipior: xinit -display :1   and :1.0
[18:50] <linxeh> msalil87: how big the update will be depends on what you have got installed. you dont need to download the CD though
[18:50] <mbeierl> msalil87: it depends on what packages you have installed
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: you can test if you'd like, start the upgrade but go up to the very last point but don't tell the system to kick off the upgrade, it will tell you
[18:51] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux-help/52259-startx-multiple-ttys.html
[18:51] <everton137> ActionParsnip, sorry for my simple question, but what's my AP? I have a ethernet on my PC connected to the wifi router, but I cannot access the both routers from the PC...
[18:51] <sipior> Bodsda: there are examples given in the two man pages. have you tried them?
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: the amunt will depend on the packages that make up your system.
[18:51] <msalil87> thank you all :)
[18:51] <Yashy> everton137: AP = access point = your wifi router
[18:51] <Bodsda> sweet, thanks a lot Kristof_D
[18:51] <bucky> msalil87:  a little over 200 M
[18:51] <Bodsda> sipior: all sorted, cheers dude
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> everton137: its the wireless centre point you are connecting to...the thing that you bought to give you a wireless connection. That is a wireless access point ....access point...AP
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> everton137: you dont connect to both, you connect to one or the other
[18:52] <KrispyKreme> My fast-user-switch-applet was deleted from the taskbar by mistake because it said it didn't start up properly and I accidently clicked the delete anyway button and was wondering how I make it appear like the default again. I tried sudo apt-get install fast-user-switch-applet, and everything was downloaded. What's next?
[18:52] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: yw
[18:53] <diffred> how can I get rid of the "Search for suitable plugin" that never finds anything window that keeps appearing in 9.04?
[18:53] <everton137> ActionParsnip, default         <IP_ADDRESS>        <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 wlan0
[18:53] <msalil87> another thing... i have always used ubuntu as root without any updates (security or other).. what kind of attacks are possible (if this is not offtopic..).. since i never got screwed up...
[18:53] <Bodsda> mm Kristof_D -- it displays fine, but if i switch to tty7 then back to tty6, there is no longer any graphical display, just the output from the xserver I assume
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> everton137: ok then your gateway IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:53] <whileimhere> hi. If I have a desktop already set up with ubuntu on it and then add a wireless PCI card to it will it auto find it or will I have to re-install to get it to notice it?
[18:54] <grout> i have my system with 2 hdds.  win7 is installed on 1, ubuntu is installed on the other but the ubuntu hdd will not boot get the missing os problem.  win7 was installed first.
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> everton137: type that into your favorite web browser's address bar
[18:54] <ehazlett> Halitech:  feel free to jump in ##reconstructor -- irc channel for the project...
[18:54] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: could it be that the xsession starts in tty8 or something? I think tty6 remains text-based
[18:54] <Halitech> ehazlett, will do, just submitted a build
[18:54] <KrispyKreme> so does anyone know how to reverse what I did and restore the default fast user switch applet?
[18:54] <everton137> ActionParsnip, OK, Im in wifi router (I'm accessing from my notebook connected via wi-fi)
[18:55] <ehazlett> Halitech: cool -- :)
[18:55] <Halitech> ##reconstructor
[18:55] <msalil87> grout: You may install grub loader using GRUB4DOS and then manually write a config file by locating the partition of ubuntu...
[18:55] <Yashy> $ ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
[18:55] <Bodsda> Kristof_D: tty9 -- cheers dude :)
[18:55] <Yashy> Error loading the runtime (/tmp/air.CAIeIp/build/opt/Adobe AIR/Versions/1.0/Resources/libicudata.so.36: file too short)
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: running web apps as root is ridiculously unsecure, especially irc clients which is a laughably stupid thing to do. Your system is also easier to hack as the root account is common to all *nix systems, with it activated half the job is already done for the attacker
[18:55] <Yashy> Can anyone help me resolve this?
[18:55] <carlitos__> hi  all   frineds
[18:55] <carlitos__> friends
[18:55] <_fynn> what happened to the umode command in jaunty? cannot find it via apt-cache and it's not already installed
[18:56] <lucia> chi conosce ABCDE?
[18:56] <Halitech> ehazlett, just got kicked from it
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> Yashy: its a proprietary binary so is impossible for us to fix, only adobe can. Log abug / search existing bugs
[18:56] <ehazlett> Halitech: from the channel?
[18:56] <Halitech> ehazlett, yeah
[18:56] <everton137> ActionParsnip, My doubt is: should I change configuration on my adsl router? And should I change configuration of the Internet connection of my PC?
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: also if you run a command accidentally, there is no way to prevent it from ruining your system if it is mistyped
[18:56] <carlitos__> is this  possible :  How to run Xserver through ssh
[18:57] <coler> when i just did a rebot my pannels have disappeared
[18:57] <ehazlett> Halitech: hmm, that's weird...  did you use ##reconstructor -- 2 '#' symbols? i didn't see you enter...
[18:57] <Yashy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1066987 someone else having this error...
[18:57] <Halitech> ehazlett, no, just one
[18:57] <sipior> carlitos__: sure, have a look at the "+X" switch.
[18:57] <msalil87> ActionParsnip: Hmm..  like root@localhost(/)>rm -rf *.*
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: also, web plugins and web content is running as root so java applications and flash which have access to your system are running as root, these can be malicious andrun riot through your systemm. if they are ran as a normal user this acess is significantly reduced
[18:58] <sipior> carlitos__: -X, apologies.
[18:58] <ehazlett> Halitech: yeah a guy registered that channel about 2 years ago and then disappeared -- i couldn't get it back so i had to use a 2 '#' channel
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: not just that, you can run several other higly destructive commands without knowing it, as your account has full access their is no protection
[18:58] <everton137> ActionParsnip, on my PC, the default route is <IP_ADDRESS>, but I cannot access it from the browserr
[18:58] <carlitos__> sipior:  how  could be that , can you  explain  a  little bit  more ?
[18:58] <Halitech> ehazlett, in there now
[18:58] <ibuclaw> Spike1506, still here?
[18:58] <sipior> carlitos__: not really, i need to be going. ask any of the folks here, i'm sure they'll help you out.
[18:59] <bizkit> hey how do i configure my monitor? so the nvidia driver knows it can support higher resolutions
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: basically you clearly have no idea about security but hey, "its easier" isnt it.
[18:59] <Spike1506> yes, restarting the browser fixed the issue
[18:59] <ibuclaw> Spike1506, click in the Address Bar. Press Ctrl+Shift+X
[18:59] <PhilPinch> philpinch
[18:59] <Spike1506> ibuclaw, ty will remember that one :D
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: thats why windows is so riddled with virus' as the default model is administrator and converts to linux don't like typing passwords for commands but they don't realise the huge benefits that this actually gives
[19:00] <msalil87> Thats interesting... I used to be of the opinion that if you know when what executes.. its safe.. but u still dont know whats happening.. im an osdevver btw.. :)
[19:00] <coler> can anyone tell me why my pannel has disappeared
[19:00] <Sarge_TJ> Hi! Can I make some applications that use GTK to use Qt instead? I'm merely thinking about OpenOffice, since GTK + OOo + my dark theme doesn't work well together at all...
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: no its really not. thats why many linux experts sat around and discussed this...you obviously know better
[19:01] <msalil87> ActionParsnip: No.. i m still a noob..
[19:01] <KrispyKreme> how can I restore my default GDM user-switcher applet? Thanks.
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: then quit using root, its disabled for those as well as a hundred more reasons, its not disabledto annoy or challenge yuo.
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: its disabled to protect your system from attack as well as human error
[19:02] <msalil87> hmm.. I have been using it in vmware.. But now i am thinking of making an hd install using wubi.. so...
[19:02] <crawl3r> I have two SATA hdd's
[19:02] <crawl3r> one has ubuntu
[19:04] <crawl3r> I have two SATA hdds and one has ubuntu and another one has windows and also ubuntu. I have a problem booting windows when both HDD's are connected to the motherboard
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> msalil87: i recommend you do not use root in future as you clearly misunderstand it implications
[19:04] <mbeierl> _fynn: do you mean umask?  I have not heard of umode, but that might just be me :)
[19:04] <rmrfslash> Is there a feature in Ubuntu to shut off visual effects (compositing) when on battery or when battery reaches a certain percentage?
[19:05] <rmrfslash> I know there is a feature in Kubuntu, but there are other reasons I'm considering ditching Kubuntu for Ubuntu
[19:05] <msalil87> crawl3r: What is the error?
[19:06] <ibuclaw> rmrfslash, not that I know of ...
[19:06] <_fynn> mbeierl: no, i really mean umode.. you could use it to determine the kernel version for example via umode -a
[19:06] <Jutman> mbeierl, I actually need the FORWARD to go eth1<->eth0 or it won't work
[19:06] <tipocomico> hi
[19:06] <crawl3r> msalil87: after choosing from GRUB menu, windows just hangs
[19:06] <msalil87> crawl3r: At what point?
[19:07] <sharddx> need help learning how to compile drivers pleas
[19:07] <acecase> anyone using ubuntu server as a gateway/firewall? I find a lot of guides for older versions but run into problems following them with the current version
[19:07] <mbeierl> Not uname?  uname -a: Linux mark-laptop 2.6.28-13-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 2 07:55:09 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:07] <Veratyr9> does 9.04 have 3d support for ati cards? i'm running 8.10 and it warned me not to upgrade to 9.04 because there isn't fglrx support in 9.04
[19:07] <crawl3r> msalil87: just after hitting return (or ENTER)
[19:07] <Halitech> Veratyr9, depends on your card
[19:07] <Veratyr9> ati 9800xt
[19:07] <ferric84> I did a "su -" to be root, and an "ls -al" of /home/vmail/mybox/info, and it shows no files and 3 folders, but says there are 20 items.  what do I have to do to see the files?
[19:07] <crawl3r> I suspect the boot.ini needs to be modified
[19:08] <crawl3r> windows sits on /dev/sdb2
[19:08] <msalil87> crawl3r: Try safe mode by hitting 'F8' immediately after u hit windows at the grub... then u will see the exact point of hang...
[19:08] <ibuclaw> Veratyr9, afaik, ATi drivers are rather broken in Ubuntu 9.04.
[19:08] <mbeierl> Jutman: lemme check again what I've got.  I'm using ufw (which helps keep things clean across reboots for me)...
[19:08] <xiong> i have trouble emptying trash in evolution; in a related issue, messages moved from one folder to another sometimes duplicate into the trash; can help?
[19:08] <Veratyr9> ibuclaw: so stick with 8.10?
[19:08] <sharddx>  need help learning how to compile drivers pleas
[19:08] <ibuclaw> Veratyr9, for now, yes. Intel should have fixed the issue in 9.10 though ;)
[19:08] <msalil87> I once tried to change the init to my program that prints helloworld.. by replacing /sbin/init.. But the ubuntu kernel returns it cannot execute... why?
[19:09] <crawl3r> msalil87: I think GRUB expects the boot.ini file to be in correct
[19:09] <Veratyr9> ibuclaw: alright, kinda figured that
[19:09] <ibuclaw> Veratyr9, although, that is months away yet ...
[19:09] <lstarnes> msalil87: what did you do to /sbin/init?
[19:09] <msalil87> crawl3r: Grub does not look for any file.. It goes to the boot sector..
[19:09] <ibuclaw> Veratyr9, the joys of depending on binary drivers ... New kernels break them.
[19:09] <mbeierl> Jutman: I have no forward rule.  I masq all local (<IP_ADDRESS>) traffic coming in on eth1 to eth0 and that's all I need for masqing to work.  what stops working when you remove your forward rule?  all masquerading?
[19:10] <msalil87> crawl3r: You should be able to see an error if boot.ini has problem
[19:10] <msalil87> lstarnes: I renamed it.. :) I dint destroy it :)
[19:10] <Jutman> mbeierl maybe its got something to do with l2tp, I'll have to play with it a bit more.
[19:10] <mbeierl> oh
[19:10] <crawl3r> msalil87: ok, let me reboot and try again. thx for advice
[19:10] <mbeierl> Jutman: where's the l2tp server?
[19:10] <Jutman> locally
[19:10] <mbeierl> Jutman: is it the same server as the firewall?
[19:11] <Jutman> mbeierl, yes
[19:11] <Jutman> mbeierl, its all on the gateway
[19:11] <mbeierl> Jutman: ok, then yes, it might be something like that - that the users using the vpn need somehow to get out?  but that should not affect the internal network
[19:11] <jiffe> is there a way to do a dryrun on a make install from source ?
[19:12] <monty_hall> I can no longer d/l and save files in firefox.
[19:12] <Jutman> mbeierl, thats what I think is happening
[19:12] <monty_hall> I can open with.
[19:12] <monty_hall> What happened?
[19:12] <Bodsda> How can I view pdf files with firefox instead of having to save them to disk?
[19:12] <msalil87> jiffe: Look for executables in the build dir?
[19:12] <mbeierl> Jutman: so it's only the VPN users that have the problem?  Not the machines on the local network?
[19:12] <Jutman> openvpn users can get onto it without that rule, but the l2tp users need that one
[19:12] <Jutman> mbeierl, thats correct.
[19:12] <ferric84> I did a "su -" to be root, and an "ls -al" of /home/vmail/mybox/info, and it shows no files and 3 folders, but says there are 20 items.  what do I have to do to see the files?
[19:12] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: edit->preferences->applications
[19:12] <msalil87> Bodsda: Get a pdf extension.. I think you might find it in the extensions at firefox webpage
[19:13] <mbeierl> Jutman: ah - I don't know enough about l2tp to be able to make a meaningful comment.  I was just thinking of the local network (the private one)
[19:13] <Jutman> mbeierl, however, thats alright. I'll just leave the forward rule in, it still manages to pass through the INPUT/OUTPUT chains
[19:13] <xiong> i have trouble emptying trash in evolution; in a related issue, messages moved from one folder to another sometimes duplicate into the trash; can help?
[19:13] <Bodsda> Kristof_D: there is no option to view with FF
[19:13] <Bodsda> msalil87: can you recommend one?
[19:13] <kello> =\
[19:14] <Jutman> thanks for all the help mbeierl
[19:14] <mbeierl> Jutman: ok.  there should be a way to have the l2tp users use the vpn for private resources only, but use their own internet connection for anything in the outside world (split tunnel)
[19:14] <msalil87> Bodsda: Can't.. this is ubuntu.. :) And i never installed one.. i use 7 mostly..
[19:14] <Kristof_D> Bodsda: true, you can only set to automatically open them
[19:14] <hubar> hi, does anyone know where I can get a resume template for openoffice 3.0?
[19:14] <kello> openoffice.com?
[19:14] <kello> 8-)
[19:14] <Jutman> mbeierl, yes. I'll have to look into that.
[19:14] <xiong> hubar, suggest you avoid resume templates entirely
[19:14] <mbeierl> Jutman: ok - it /might/ be a client-side thing though
[19:14] <xiong> a template is a confession of dullness
[19:14] <Jutman> mbeierl, I do know a thing or two about using the route command, just not forwarding with iptables
[19:14] <sharddx> can anyone help me in compiling drivers pleas?
[19:14] <jiffe> well I want to see what all files it is going to install and where
[19:15] <msalil87> sharddx: Modules?
[19:15] <msalil87> jiffe: Check install script in makefile or some other
[19:15] <hubar> xiong: i am dull. :)
[19:15] <mariet> sad
[19:15] <mariet> asd
[19:15] <mariet> a
[19:15] <mariet> dasd
[19:15] <mariet> adada
[19:15] <mariet> sd
[19:15] <FloodBot2> mariet: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:16] <york666> http://kgbarchiver.net/
[19:16] <msalil87> So how can i make the ubuntu kernel execute my "hello world" program directly? (instead of /sbin/init)
[19:16] <xiong> hubar, whether you are or are not dull is not for me to say; but i suggest that for any job other than as a government clerk, you do not wish to *appear* so -- compose your resume as an original work
[19:16] <jiffe> I can, but it would be a whole lot easier if there was a default way to do a dry run
[19:16] <mbeierl> Jutman: what I mean is that each client might need to set up their own split tunnel, depending on the software that's used to make the l2tp connection...
[19:16] <jiffe> I suppose that woudlnt' be very portable though
[19:16] <york666> THE BEST COMPRESSOR -> http://kgbarchiver.net/
[19:16] <york666> THE BEST COMPRESSOR -> http://kgbarchiver.net/
[19:16] <york666> THE BEST COMPRESSOR -> http://kgbarchiver.net/
[19:16] <FloodBot2> york666: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:17] <sharddx> its for a D-link card and im alredy into the src but just dont know how to compile for the 2.6.28 -11- generic kernel
[19:17] <rmrfslash> In Ubuntu, when you type a command and it says "Not installed. Try running apt-get install package-name" what is this feature called?
[19:17] <msalil87> jiffe: I guess you might just list all elf executables (not .o)
[19:18] <rmrfslash> Is this a package that's available on all linuxes or an Ubuntu exclusive?
[19:18] <msalil87> rmrfslash: package manager
[19:18] <rmrfslash> available *to* all linuxes
[19:18] <DVA59121> Is there a way ot get a larger screen res? Its currently on 1024 by something and id like to get it up to 1200
[19:18] <rmrfslash> msalil87: is this exclusive to Ubuntu?
[19:19] <msalil87> rmrfslash: Ubuntu and its parents..like debian i think..
[19:19] <curtis> does anyone use devede?
[19:19] <Pici> rmrfslash: Its a feature of the command-not-found package.
[19:19] <Pici> !info command-not-found
[19:19] <Halitech> curtis, best video app I've ever used
[19:20] <msalil87> Pici: Nice! I thought you are kidding.. :)
[19:21] <msalil87> So so so.. how do i run my helloworld application instead of /sbin/init at bootup by the ubuntu kernel?
[19:22] <lstarnes> msalil87: why would you need to?
[19:22] <xiong> i have trouble emptying trash in evolution; in a related issue, messages moved from one folder to another sometimes duplicate into the trash; can help?
[19:22] <msalil87> lstarnes: I want to replace everything..Make a distro..
[19:24] <lstarnes> msalil87: you might want to use a virtual machine for that
[19:24] <widmoo> siema
[19:24] <lucax> is there any kernel repositories for ubuntu?
[19:24] <msalil87> lstarnes: Virtual machine? for what?
[19:24] <mbeierl> msalil87: I don't think this is going to be the right place to ask that question ... this is more for help with using Ubuntu, not customizing a distro....
[19:25] <msalil87> Ok ok.. Never mind..
[19:25] <Ayudaaaa> hola. instale el ubuntu 9.04 y solo escucho sonido si enchufo unos altavoces a mi portatil. Alguien me puede ayudar???
[19:25] <mbeierl> msalil87: I didn't say don't ask, I just think the users here might not know :)
[19:26] <lstarnes> msalil87: if you use a virtual machine instead of an actual physical machine for developing a new distro from scratch, messing up your existing physical installation  would be less likely
[19:26] <ortsvorsteher> !es | Ayudaaaa
[19:26] <msalil87> mbeierl: Yeah.. no problem :)
[19:26] <msalil87> lstarnes: Ah.. Yes i already use vmware for all other oses i install other than 7...
[19:26] <Hilikus> hey guys
[19:27] <phil__> hi
[19:27] <xeer> I compiled a recent version of glib and it broke a symbol in libgio-2.0.so.0 would I be able to replace this library with the original from my live cd?
[19:27] <mdm> mbeierl, init has nothing to do with the kernel and everything to do with initrd
[19:27] <mbeierl> mdm: it's msalil87... :)
[19:28] <mdm> sorry
[19:28] <Hilikus> i'm trying to create a gnome launcher (maybe through a bash script) that will open an ssh tunnel first and then launch a GUI program that uses that ssh tunnel. first question, can i do this without a shell script?
[19:28] <mbeierl> np
[19:28] <mbeierl> mdm: just wanted to make sure the right target got the msg...
[19:28] <msalil87> Hilikus: Wheres ubuntu?
[19:28] <Hilikus> msalil87: right here, where's yours?
[19:29] <ManDay> Can someone tell me how to add a specific rfcomm devive to the Gnome Network manager (the thing with the tray icon) So I can use it to connect via PPP instead of using "pon ...", which isn't properly integrated into the environemt?
[19:29] <sharddx> noob needs help pleas
[19:29] <Art4k> backtrack 4 login ?
[19:29] <mbeierl> Hilikus: technically, yes, if you use ssh keys and have ssh agent loaded with the keys as part of the desktop startup
[19:29] <The_Dude_2003> cyberghoser1: hi ;)
[19:29] <ortsvorsteher> just ask sharddx here in channel, give full details of what happens
[19:30] <mdm> msalil87, how ubuntu boots (well linux in general) is by the boot deivce loading a kernel and loading a ram disk (well one of many ways to do it),  It is that ramdisk that then loads the os (in the case of ubuntu passes it to init)
[19:30] <Hilikus> mbeierl: actually i was plannning on having the script prompt me for a password, but i don't know if there's any way in ubuntu to ask for a password thrgouh a GUI but from a shell script
[19:30] <doggyslobber> Any known issues that would cause a Windows network to not be available.  It has been able to mount for several months and then all of a sudden today,, Ubuntu 9.04 can't mount it...  nothing on the network has changed,, and I can connect to it fine from a mac..
[19:30] <Kristof_D> msalil87: there's a lot of info available on that, maybe this helps? http://axiom.anu.edu.au/~okeefe/p2b/power2bash/power2bash-6.html
[19:31] <mbeierl> Hilikus: ok, I understand now.  I thought you were looking for transparent, passwordless ssh
[19:31] <msalil87> mdm: Right. so the init is a user mode program.. meaning i can replace it by another.. thats what i tried.. but kernel says "Cannot execute"
[19:31] <Hilikus> mbeierl: oh no, sorry i didn't specify
[19:32] <ManDay> Can someone tell me how to add a specific rfcomm devive to the Gnome Network manager (the thing with the tray icon) So I can use it to connect via PPP instead of using "pon ...", which isn't properly integrated into the environemt?
[19:32] <mdm> msalil87, well it has to be executable, it dosnt have to be a binary
[19:32] <xiong> is evolution somehow on the #ubuntu junk list? please, a little help here would go a long way
[19:32] <ManDay> Or tell me how the network manager is configured?
[19:32] <mbeierl> Hilikus: I am not sure you can get that password to SSH though.  SSH only wants the password to come directly from standard input, not passed to it from a second program that prompts the user
[19:32] <doggyslobber> Does anyone know how to setup "profiles" based on what wifi network you connect too....?
[19:32] <mdm> msalil87, and it isnt the kernel that is doing it, its initrd
[19:32] <ManDay> The man-page for NetworkManager is totally useless again.--
[19:33] <Hilikus> mbeierl: mmm i guess that makes sense
[19:33] <masterkernel> does anyone know how to reply to a mailing list correctly?
[19:33] <masterkernel> or what program to use
[19:33] <msalil87> mdm: If you check the kernel source, at the end of main function in init/main.c it finds an init program to execute..
[19:33] <doggyslobber> fyi,,, figured out my issue... if you enable the firewall at home and then disable at the office, ,it works fine... freaking windows networks
[19:33] <shavinder> when i try this command- "sudo apt-get upgrade pidgin" the terminal shows me 234 mb of archive to be downloaded. cant i just upgrade my pidgin instead of the whole ubuntu?
[19:33] <mdm> msalil87, if you check the soruce and how it boots you will find it is passing control to init.  IN THE INITRD
[19:34] <masterkernel> shavinder: not if pidgin depnds on those packages
[19:34] <Shardded> sorry bad conectoin :(
[19:34] <shavinder> i tried upgrading pidgin through synaptic. Turns out it upgraded just to 2.5.1. i want the latest 2.5.7(with yahoo outage fix)
[19:34] <Pirate_Hunter> is there away to call forward gnome-do using the keyboard shortcuts when my vm (VirtuaBox) is in focus, it gets annoying that i have to minimise it first before i can use gnome-do?
[19:34] <msalil87> mdm: Oh ur saying the init is INSIDE the initrd.. cool.. So i guess i need to change the initrd itself using mkinitramfs probably...
[19:35] <mdm> msalil87, yes or gzip and cpio
[19:35] <xiong> i throw myself upon the community's mercy: what mail client *should* i be using?
[19:35] <BOSSARD> unbuntu.fr
[19:35] <sebsebseb> xiong: Thunderbird is good
[19:35] <Kristof_D> xiong: gmail :)
[19:35] <sebsebseb> !email |  xiong
[19:35] <Alphanaut> Thunderbird
[19:35] <Veratyr9> just changed graphics drivers.  to put them into effect without restarting, do I just do an alt+ctrl+backspace? logout?
[19:35] <msalil87> When does this ubottu respond exactly?
[19:35] <mdm> !help
[19:35] <masterkernel> shavinder: you might have to compile it from source. or go on getdeb to see if they have a package
[19:36] <Kristof_D> msalil87:  when someone says !something
[19:36] <BOSSARD> hi!
[19:36] <shavinder> the terminal is mentioning everything. i mean everything. I just cannot believe pidgin would need 280 MB of upgrade. shall i show you a dump of the terminal spout?
[19:36] <BOSSARD> salut
[19:36] <mdm> ubottu, or if you address it directly
[19:36] <xiong> sebsebseb, ty
[19:36] <Shardded> need help compiling drivers for a 2.6 kernel for a DFE-250TX D-link card pleas
[19:36] <Alphanaut> hey all, anyone very familiar with the ubuntu partition manager?  i resized a drive and have a problem
[19:36] <sebsebseb> xiong: np
[19:36] <msalil87> ubottu: I know dear. Nice talking to you.. Bye..
[19:36] <BOSSARD> hello
[19:37] <BOSSARD> haha
[19:37] <Alphanaut> hey all, anyone very familiar with the ubuntu partition manager?  i resized a drive and have a problem
[19:37] <melissa> ca av vous
[19:37] <elli222> What drive did you resize?
[19:37] <melissa> bon qelqun me repond
[19:38] <shavinder> please have a look at this paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/206459/
[19:38] <dAnon> damn it
[19:38] <hason> hi
[19:38] <Shardded> need help compiling drivers for a 2.6 kernel for a DFE-250TX D-link card pleas
[19:38] <dAnon> I am using ubuntu first day today
[19:38] <hason> how  do u do
[19:38] <elli222> congrats
[19:38] <duke_> i have problems with pidgin too... look my firewall config: http://pastebin.com/mb1b9b9b
[19:38] <Pirate_Hunter> is there away to call forward gnome-do using the keyboard shortcuts when my vm (VirtuaBox) is in focus, it gets annoying that i have to minimise it first before i can use gnome-do?
[19:38] <dAnon> and there are some things going wrong
[19:38] <hason> could any one help me
[19:38] <tipocomico> hi, having some trouble booting the Ubuntu-Rescue-Remix cd, can anyone help?
[19:38] <mdm> Alphanaut, there is no ubuntu parition manager, it uses a partition manager, but its not ubuntu.  In fact other then some specifc assembling of software there is noting you can point at that says this is ubuntu
[19:38] <Alphanaut> so i have an ntfs partition that has winblows on it, during ubuntu 9.04 installation i originally allocated 20gb for ubuntu, then later decided to resize the drive again.  problem is, the original 250gb drive now only shows as 230gb total, and doesn't show the 20gb free space that it should
[19:39] <hason> plz
[19:39] <dAnon> like screen resolution never saves for next restart
[19:39] <hason> i need u
[19:39] <Alphanaut> it appears in all partitioning software that the actual drive is now only 230gb instead of 230
[19:39] <Pici> !ask | hason
[19:39] <Alphanaut> er instead of 250
[19:39] <hason> ok
[19:39] <shavinder> hekllo ubottu
[19:39] <hason> i can't play compiz
[19:40] <hason> ubuntu 9.04
[19:40] <shavinder> hey Ubottu :-)
[19:40] <ChoboMog> Does anyone know what the process "tracker-indexer" in in the System Monitor?  Mine seems to be giving me issues on a daily basis.  It will suddenly start running, using no CPU but 19% Nice, which results in my computer lagging.  Closing the process fixes it and seems to not affect anything else
[19:40] <mdm> Alphanaut, all a partition manager does is read the geometery of the disk and make paritions in units that geometry tells it.
[19:40] <shavinder> why does he not respond this time?
[19:40] <dAnon> screen resolution never saves for next restart, mouse4 and mouse5 don't work in Opera :(
[19:40] <mdm> Alphanaut, barring something really screwed up the drive the partition manager only tells you what the drive told it
[19:40] <Pici> shavinder: Its a bot, and it has flood protection.
[19:40] <Alphanaut> i'm aware of that, that's what is so strange.  the drive is physically 250gb, however after the resize it appears in all software that it's only a 230gb drive
[19:41] <shavinder> :-) oui Ubottu
[19:41] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici,  is there anyway to allow shortcurts to be active in ubuntu while focus in on a VM or am i forced to minimise all the times, can you suggest anything (specially since i have to go back and forwards)?
[19:41] <Alphanaut> like 20gb just disappeared!
[19:41] <shavinder> lemme try this was
[19:41] <shavinder> way*
[19:41] <hason> where r u
[19:41] <doubleyou> reporting a spambot on ubuntu forums : http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=865261
[19:41] <shavinder> Ubottu: Hi! good bot
[19:41] <shavinder> ha ha
[19:41] <soulwarp> !backup | soulwarp
[19:41] <Pici> !msgthebot | shavinder
[19:42] <treyh> how do i apply a patch for a bug i have, am on bugs.launchpad.net?
[19:42] <mdm> Alphanaut, how much is a K? 1000? 1024? It sort of depends on if you make drives or use them.
[19:42] <hason> is there any one can help me
[19:42] <hason> ?
[19:42] <Pici> doubleyou: We don't actually handle the forums here, you may want to mention it in #ubuntuforums
[19:42] <doubleyou> k
[19:42] <snoopbear> hello
[19:42] <mdm> Alphanaut, also keep in mind filesystems have metadata (things that hold the information tags), and they are also written in spave
[19:42] <sharddx> need help compiling drivers for a 2.6 kernel for a DFE-250TX D-link card pleas
[19:42] <Alphanaut> mdm, you aren't getting me.  i'm not sqabbling about math.  i'm saying that prior to partitioning, the drive was 250gb total size, and after the partition manager worked on it, now it shows as only 230gb total, like 20gb just vanished.
[19:43] <Alphanaut> hmmm
[19:43] <mdm> Alphanaut, and ext specificially saves out space from the filesystem for overheaad
[19:43] <Alphanaut> i'm not saying that somehting is taking up 20 more gb, i'm saying that 20gb disappeared
[19:43] <shavinder> So gentlemen, is there no way to force sudo to upgrade 'just' pidgin and not the whole damn OS?
[19:43] <Alphanaut> windows manager shows that it's a 230gb drive now, gparted shows it's a 230gb drive
[19:43] <cabrey> Alphanaut, drive manufacturers use a different size measurement
[19:43] <Pici> shavinder: sudo apt-get install --reinstall pidgin   should grab the latest version
[19:43] <Alphanaut> hahah no no, it was a 250gb drive RIGHT BEFORE i used GPARTED
[19:44] <Pirate_Hunter> Alphanaut, if it was 250 and you partitioned it to 20 wouldnt it have 230 now or did i misunderstand?
[19:44] <mdm> Alphanaut, pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sdX where X is the drive letter
[19:44] <treyh> i found a patch on launchpad that i need to install, how do i apply it?
[19:44] <MK13> Alphanaut, partitioned hard drives never show the full sixe
[19:44] <MK13> size*
[19:44] <cabrey> Alphanaut, in that case, it is the Journaling that is taking up the extra space
[19:44] <shavinder> Pici: wow thanks. thats a great tip
[19:44] <Alphanaut> yes, i would have a 230gb partition and a 20gb partition, however that's now what shows up now.  now it shows as a 230gb drive, with no 20gb part.
[19:44] <Alphanaut> bizarro
[19:44] <Hilikus> does anyone know how to run a command from a shell script after an ssh connection has been established? if i put it in the next line it doesn't run until ssh is killed
[19:44] <Alphanaut> ok
[19:44] <Alphanaut> oh well
[19:44] <badr> hello all
[19:44] <Pici> Hilikus: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>yourcommandgoeshere
[19:45] <cabrey> Alphanaut, Journaling is an important part of the modern FS which helps prevent data loss
[19:45] <Pici> Hilikus: or do you mean on the local system?
[19:45] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici,  is there anyway to allow shortcurts to be active in ubuntu while focus in on a VM or am i forced to minimise all the times, can you suggest anything (specially since i have to go back and forwards)?
[19:45] <sharddx> need help compiling drivers for a 2.6 kernel for a DFE-250TX D-link card pleas
[19:45] <Hilikus> Pici: that runs it remotely, i mean to start something locally
[19:45] <Pirate_Hunter> Alphanaut, i very much doubt journaling would take an extra 20b
[19:46] <Alphanaut> i agree pirate
[19:46] <badr> +1
[19:46] <Pirate_Hunter> Alphanaut, i very much doubt journaling would take an extra 20gb you probably didnt activate the partition or it is running ubuntu*
[19:46] <snoopbear> bye
[19:46] <mdm> Alphanaut, what I suspect is your are looking at internal loss intrinsic to using a hard drive.  The whole thing is called a waterfall graph and shows where storage is used.  It is acutally part of storage resource management.  But like I said show us an output of the partition table as seen my fdisk and I will tell you where that 20G mystically vanished to.
[19:46] <n0gear> Hilikus: why not just start new session?
[19:46] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter, Alphanaut: I believe  on a standard Jaunty install ext3 will reserve 5% of the drive for journaling
[19:46] <Alphanaut> hmm
[19:46] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter: I'm not sure thats possible.
[19:46] <Hilikus> n0gear what do you mean??
[19:46] <cabrey> somebody do the math.
[19:46] <badr> i had some problems with ext4 lately when deleting a big bunch of files
[19:47] <cabrey> i dont feel like it :P
[19:47] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici, ahhh not what i want to here still thanks it is just bothersome and slow moving from vm to desktop
[19:47] <Pici> Hilikus: You could use nohup ssh user@host &; newcommand
[19:47] <badr> i heard it was a kernel issue
[19:47] <shinigami> hello
[19:47] <cabrey> badr, 2.6.30 clears up a lot of ext4 related issues
[19:47] <sharddx> im very new to ubuntu and i need to get my drivers compiled but dont have a clue how too do that
[19:48] <badr> i'm running latest 2.6.28-13 generic kernel
[19:48] <JohnTeddy> Is there a deb/sources.list repository for Jaunty to installed firefox 3.5rc?
[19:48] <shinigami> i need some help to use skype with ubuntu
[19:48] <jophish> What Distro would you recommend for an old laptop, PIII 800mhz
[19:48] <badr> ok i'll go get kernel 2.6.30
[19:48] <jophish> probably not much ram
[19:48] <shavinder> hey guys! turns out that after running first two commands from here http://www.ivankristianto.com/2009/06/solve-yahoo-messenger-problem-with-pidgin-2-5-7/     and on going back to Synaptic, the synaptic clearly shows that pidgin can BE upgraded to 2.5.7 ! Now could it be that I had to take two steps to upgrade, ie from too earlier version to 2.5.1 and then to 2.5.7 or did the two commands...
[19:48] <shavinder> ...from the url did the trick? I dont know
[19:48] <Pici> sharddx: Why do you think you need to compile the modules?
[19:48] <FloodBot2> shavinder: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:48] <badr> thx man, i was hesitating
[19:48] <cabrey> Johnny_5, sudo aptitude install firefox-3.5
[19:48] <cabrey> JohnTeddy, see above
[19:48] <JohnTeddy> thanks cabrey
[19:48] <MK13> jophish, i would check out puppy linux if i were u
[19:48] <Hilikus> Pici: would that let me interact with the ssh process?? thing is i need to enter a passowrd in the ssh process to connect and then once that connection is stablished i need to run a second command which uses the ssh tunnel
[19:49] <jophish> ok, thanks
[19:49] <JohnTeddy> cabrey: Will this install the latest rc build?
[19:49] <mdm> Alphanaut, also keep in mind 230G is what 250G would be if you counted a K as 1000 instead of 1024
[19:49] <Hilikus> Pici: but i want to automate it all, except entering the password of course
[19:49] <cabrey> JohnTeddy, I don't think it's the latest, you'll have to ask the maintainers to update the package
[19:49] <Alphanaut> hmm
[19:49] <shinigami> i've a skupe phone and i don't know how to use it in ubuntu
[19:49] <shavinder> well in any case my upgrade is running in synaptic. All is well with the world after all i think. I just hope Yahoo does not get IBS now
[19:49] <cabrey> JohnTeddy, You could just get the binary tarball from mozilla
[19:49] <skynet> how do I set the subnet and IP?
[19:50] <sharddx> becaus the driver instuctoins says "compile source driver and it will generate rhinefet.o"
[19:50] <badr> cabrey, i installed the kernel on my secondary pc, i gotta recompile lirc stuff, but deleting lotsa files seems ok, thx
[19:50] <jophish> MK13, how about debian based?
[19:51] <cabrey> jophish, you could try xubuntu
[19:52] <Guest73269> how do I set the subnet and IP?
[19:52] <cabrey> sharddx, where did you get those instructions? they sound very ancient
[19:52] <jophish> good idea cabrey
[19:52] <sharddx> the only thing is i dont know how to compile the src to give me a rinefet.0 output
[19:52] <Pici> Hilikus: Hm... I'm thinking.
[19:53] <jeeves> how can I fix choppy youtube play back?
[19:53] <sharddx> the D-link card i purchest today
[19:53] <cabrey> sharddx, run sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[19:54] <Pici> Hilikus: I *think* the -f argument will put the ssh process into the background after you enter your password.
[19:54] <cabrey> jeeves, version of ubuntu, flash player version, hardware info
[19:54] <Hilikus> Pici: thanks, let me try that
[19:55] <LordDragon> anyone know why ubuntu is locking up when i try to open the power management setting? im running it on a macmini
[19:55] <sharddx> sorry what? im realy a noob hear
[19:55] <jeeves> cabrey, the hardware is an Acer AspireOne D115 (dual 1.5ghz atom, 1Gb RAM, 160Gb HDD), 9.1 Jaunty, and I'm not sure what version of the flash player it is.  I installed it from the plugin menu
[19:56] <cabrey> sharddx, open a terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) then paste in sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[19:56] <cabrey> jeeves, you mean Ubuntu 9.04? well you're SOL, flash and the atom processor does not mix well :/
[19:57] <sharddx> cabrey , thank you
[19:57] <cabrey> jeeves, what browser are you using?
[19:58] <cabrey> jeeves, also if you are using 'Visual Effects' (aka Compiz) you might want to try turning them off and see if that helps
[19:58] <MK13> jeeves, are you running 64 bit?
[19:58] <cabrey> MK13, no he has an Atom
[19:59] <cabrey> s/Atom/Netbook
[19:59] <jeeves> cabrey, lol, thanks.  I figured as much.  I'll just keep tweaking it.  It's only the x86 version of the OS.  I think Compiz is running the system a little hard.  I'd like to get GL_Tail running @ some point
[19:59] <cabrey> jeeves, what browser are you using? firefox?
[20:00] <MK13> cabrey, ahhh...  never messed w/ an atom b4 or even checked it out
[20:00] <jeeves> cabrey, yes, FF
[20:00] <cabrey> jeeves, try a lighter browser such as epiphany or midori
[20:01] <charitwo> any reason why I would unknowingly change the ownership of a file on someone else's server when modifying files ?
[20:01] <jeeves> cabrey, FF runs great.  it's just the flash part.
[20:01] <ayudaaa> hola
[20:01] <treyh> can someone please help me learn to apply this patch
[20:01] <jeeves> cabrey, as I said, I'd like to get GL_Tail working on this little box
[20:01] <treyh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/+bug/175324
[20:01] <carlitos__> is this  possible :  How to run Xserver through ssh
[20:02] <cabrey> jeeves, Epiphany *seems* to have a better flash implementation
[20:02] <cabrey> carlitos__, use X forwarding
[20:02] <dAnon> you people need to give opera a try cuz I don't personaly see any reason to use firefox
[20:02] <seeds> when i use desktop-switcher in jaunty unr i get an empty desktop upon reboot
[20:02] <cabrey> dAnon, that is great...
[20:02] <Destroyertje> I need help with copying from a windows network share to an ubuntu 9.04. I want a script or a really simple thing to copy the modified or new files from the windows network share to the ubuntu 9.04 x64 homedirectory
[20:02] <seeds> i know how to get back my desktop but how do i prevent it?
[20:03] <dAnon> ff is really nothing special and never was
[20:03] <jeeves> cabrey, ok, thanks.  I'll have a look
[20:03] <cabrey> dAnon, go to #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[20:03] <jeeves> cabrey, any news on openGL support for this processor?
[20:03] <dAnon> got some problems as well
[20:03] <aacosta> haha final fantasy
[20:03] <dAnon> like resolution never saving
[20:03] <aacosta> i was wondering why i couldnt ssh or ping two computers
[20:03] <dAnon> getting back at 1024 after reboot
[20:03] <aacosta> running ubuntu
[20:04] <aacosta> one is on the wireless the other wired
[20:04] <aacosta> it wokrs wired fine
[20:04] <cabrey> !pm > carlitos__
[20:04] <cabrey> !es > carlitos__
[20:05] <carlitos__> :D
[20:05] <carlitos__> cabrey:  X  forwarding ?   how  is  this pls
[20:05] <dAnon> screen resolution is always getting back at 1024 after reboot, any ideas? I want it at 1280x1024
[20:06] <dAnon> screen resolution is always getting back at 1024 after reboot, any ideas? I want it at 1280x1024
[20:07] <cabrey> carlitos__, http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Displaying_Ubuntu_Linux_Applications_Remotely_(X11_Forwarding)
[20:07] <carlitos__> cabrey:  thanks :D
[20:08] <dAnon> screen resolution is always getting back at 1024 after reboot, any ideas? I want it at 1280x1024
[20:09] <amseidler> Flash is very slow on Ubuntu. It was never this slow when I used Windows. Is there a fix?
[20:10] <dAnon> screen resolution is always getting back at 1024 after reboot, any ideas? I want it at 1280x1024
[20:11] <cabrey> amseidler, no it is poor coding on adobe's part :(
[20:11] <amseidler> cabrey: I have a friend who uses Ubuntu as well, and flash is normal speed for him. How is that occuring?
[20:12] <DJones> dAnon: Doesn't look like there's anybody that knows the answer to that at the minute, I'd suggest asking again in about 15 minutes to give people in the channel chance to change
[20:12] <cabrey> amseidler, it depends on your hardware and have you compared his computer running ubuntu to his computer running windows?
[20:13] <amseidler> cabrey: He doesn't have a computer running on windows
[20:13] <Shardded>  ok back I asumb that comandlines for updating ubuntu but im not conected to the internet hence why i need to install the network card and that brings us back to sqeur one of how to compile drivers XD
[20:13] <aytekin__> t
[20:13] <cabrey> amseidler, so you can't compare. it affects OS X too... there's really nothing you can do, but turning compiz off does help
[20:14] <amseidler> cabrey: Are you serious?
[20:14] <dAnon> anyone using microsoft intellimouse under ubuntu? Mouse4 and 5 don't seem to work
[20:14] <amseidler> cabrey: How is compiz in the way?
[20:15] <FrEaKmAn_> can I specify port in hosts?
[20:15] <histo> anyway to know if a server system requires a restart due to updates?
[20:15] <cabrey> amseidler, it's a rather complex issue, but compiz somehow blocks hardware acceleration. there is a post on adobe's linux blog about it
[20:15] <amseidler> cabrey: How can I disable it? I type in killall compiz in terminal, and it still seems to be running
[20:16] <stealth-> how can i control the system bell noise? like, turn it on/off, etc
[20:16] <Hilikus> Pici: it worked! kinda, i had to add a couple of other switches but -f was the main one. thanks a lot
[20:16] <cabrey> amseidler, how did you turn it on?
[20:16] <Hilikus> Pici: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/11/24/auto-closing-ssh-tunnels/
[20:16] <amseidler> cabrey: I didn't. It's automatic when my computer turns on
[20:16] <cabrey> amseidler, System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects [tab]
[20:17] <histo> amseidler: you can hit alt+f2 and type metacity --replace in addition to the killall compiz
[20:17] <Shardded> new hear and need help compiling drivers for my D-link card to be able to get on the net on tht pc can anyone help pleas?
[20:17] <amseidler> cabrey: Ok, what do I select?
[20:17] <cabrey> amseidler, 'None'
[20:17] <amseidler> Ok
[20:18] <iPoRn> when i try to mount a cdrom, i get this error, and it doesn't mount: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount no
[20:18] <iPoRn> what could it be?
[20:18] <Hilikus> Pici: thanks a lot
[20:18] <xiong> back in the old mac os9 days, i used to compose html documents either with pagespinner or bbedit -- do equivalents exist for linux?
[20:19] <amseidler> cabrey: tried that, didn't really help out flash. still pretty slow
[20:21] <Shardded> help needed pleas
[20:22] <mbeierl> Shardded: do you have the source code for the d-link card drivers?
[20:22] <Jalovex> ciao
[20:22] <Jalovex> !list
[20:23] <tonii> lol
[20:23] <tonii> ^_^
[20:23] <Jalovex> !list
[20:23] <ozzloy> my usb drive is mounting read only.  i was reading and writing to it 10 minutes ago.  how do i make it read/write again?
[20:23] <Shardded> mbeierl:yes its all in the src file but i dont know what to do wight it
[20:24] <mbeierl> Shardded: is the file a ".tgz" or ".tar.gz" file?
[20:26] <Shardded> mbeierl: it was tgz til i ran tar xzvf rhinefet.tgz
[20:26] <mbeierl> Shardded: ok, so it unpacked the sources into a directory.  you need to "cd" into that directory.  tell me, is there a ".configure" file in the directory (ls -l .configure)
[20:27] <cabrey> mbeierl, if it is a driver all you usually need to do is run make
 1 sec
[20:27] <mbeierl> cabrey: thanks.  Shardded if there is not, as cabrey mentioned, we just go to the make command right away.
[20:28] <hanasaki> I have cups-pdf installed ... where are the files going and what are they named?
[20:29] <KevinJD> hey
[20:29] <Shardded> mbeierl : no no .configure
[20:29] <cabrey> Shardded, run make
[20:29] <mbeierl> Shardded: ^
[20:30] <mdm> hanasaki, it makes pdf files of what you print and its default is to put them in /var/spool/cups-pdf
[20:31] <hanasaki> mdm:  nope.. empty directories
[20:31] <jshsu> what're some steps to trouble shoot an empty aplay -l? and /proc/asound/cards doesn't show my card?
[20:32] <ferric84> I did a "su -" to be root, and an "ls -al" of /home/vmail/mybox/info, and it shows no files and 3 folders, but says there are 20 items.  what do I have to do to see the files?
[20:32] <hanasaki> mdm:  they are not going here either from /etc/cups/cups-pdf
[20:32] <hanasaki> Out ${HOME}/PDF
[20:32] <hanasaki> however.. if I set it to /tmp  they do go there
[20:33] <lex> hi ..anyone on ..plese. ..i need help with wine ..preaty pls ..
[20:33] <phil__> go on
[20:33] <guntbert> ferric84: why do you want to do that as root?
[20:34] <lex> gunbert
[20:34] <lex> can you help me please ....
[20:34] <meshuggah> http://megworld.kicks-ass.net:8000/listen.m3u
[20:34] <Shardded> mbeierl : if i run make it starts off fine and then starst giving me a hole load of errors
[20:34] <guntbert> !please | lex, sorry, I cannot help with wine
[20:36] <mbeierl> Shardded: it must be that the driver needs source code or other libraries that are not located on the same computer as the one trying to do the installation.  Do you have another computer with Ubuntu and network access?  or can you switch to a wired network temporarily?
[20:37] <Shardded> mbeierl : i have my ubuntu pc and then this vista pc  and i need to get the ethernet up and running on the ubuntu but its not working :)
[20:38] <dAnon> screen resolution is always getting back at 1024 after reboot, any ideas? I want it at 1280x1024
[20:38] <dAnon> also can't find a way to configure mouse side buttons
[20:38] <mbeierl> Shardded: it is the wireless network that is not working or the wired network?  I mistook your question for wireless as that is the most common problem
[20:38] <epaphus> Hello guys, ocassionally (3 times per day) PIdgin goes to a blank screen and freezes.. anybod can recommend me anything i can do about this?
[20:38] <mbeierl> epaphus: do you have skype plugin or facebook plugin installed?  it could be a plugin problem
[20:39] <epaphus> mbeierl, none of those
[20:39] <Shardded> mbeierl: its a wired D-Link Ether net card DFE-520TX to be exsact
[20:39] <epaphus> how can I reisntall pidgin?
[20:40] <mbeierl> epaphus: sudo aptitude purge pidgin (to remove and purge all config files and binaries) and then sudo aptitude install pidgin
[20:41] <guntbert> Shardded: I saw only the last lines - you *shouldn't* need to compile a driver for an ethernet card
[20:42] <lex> i have a HDD with 2 partitin 1 is installed windows and second other stuff, i installed a second HDD with ubuntu and i installed wine and i want to install some programms on the second partition on the firtst HDD, can i make this ..?
[20:42] <epaphus> mbeierl, thanks
[20:42] <Shardded> mbeierl: and i followed the install instructoins to a t its just when i get to step 5 it just tells me compile the drivers and it will generate a rhinefet.o that it loosses me
[20:43] <mbeierl> epaphus: in my case, pidgin does exactly the same thing, but it's caused by skype integration, sorry I can't help more
[20:43] <Kristof_D> lex: if it's a fat32 partition, or something ubuntu can write: yes. If it's NTFS: no
[20:43] <lex> no ..is NTFS
[20:44] <Kristof_D> lex: then: I think not
[20:44] <lex> so then i must make it fat32 ?
[20:44] <mbeierl> Shardded: what instructions?  From where are you reading them>
[20:44] <mbeierl> ?
[20:44] <epaphus> mbeierl, no problem
[20:44] <ubuntu-user> hi everyone - i have a slight newbie question
[20:44] <tanveer> hello i ened some help joining some .001 files together i spent ages trying
[20:44] <Kristof_D> lex: fat32, or ext3, but fat32 is probably best, because both windows and ubuntu can read that without problems
[20:45] <Shardded> mbeierl:the linuxinstall.txt
[20:45] <guntbert> !ask | ubuntu-user
[20:45] <Kristof_D> lex: don't know if it's possible to change it to fat32 without having to remove the data
[20:45] <mbeierl> Shardded: from the CD?  or... a web site?
[20:45] <sudobash> hey if I have BCM4318 Air Force One wifi and the driver in Hardware Drivers is not working in Ubuntu 9.04 should I try to get the B43 drivers working or should I try to get ndiswrapper working?
[20:45] <ubuntu-user> can someone tell me where intenet explorer is on ubuntu?
[20:45] <tanveer> i dont have it
[20:45] <Shardded> mbeierl : driver cd
[20:45] <mbeierl> ubuntu-user: it is called "firefox"
[20:45] <frische> tanveer: run `file file.001 ` to see what kind of file it is. could be a splitted rar
[20:46] <tanveer> .rar.001
[20:46] <jshsu> what're some steps to troubleshoot an empty aplay -l? and /proc/asound/cards doesn't show my card?
[20:46] <joaopinto> ubuntu-user, there is no internet explorer on ubuntu, you have firefox which is a different browser
[20:46] <tanveer> frische:its a .rar.001
[20:46] <mbeierl> Shardded: ok, now I understand.  as someone earlier mentioned, you might be trying to do something that is not needed.  You have installed Ubuntu on the computer, right?
[20:47] <sudobash> B43 or ndiswrapper?
[20:47] <Shardded> mbeierl : yes
[20:47] <frische> then install unrar and open it with file-roller/$archive_program
[20:47] <jshsu> i love you
[20:47] <jshsu> im gay
[20:47] <tanveer> i dont get that drische
[20:47] <tanveer> frische
[20:47] <mbeierl> Shardded: you should be able to go to the main menu -> system -> preferences -> Network Connections
[20:47] <mbeierl> Shardded: does it show anything under the "Wired" tab?
[20:48] <Shardded> mbeierl : brb
[20:48] <frische> tanveer: there is a package unrar. you have to install it. then any archive program ( file-roller is the deafult ) should be able to open it
[20:48] <sudobash> how do i fix wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
[20:48] <sudobash> wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
[20:49] <kushite> Hello
[20:49] <kushite> somebody please help me
[20:49] <kushite> i am so lost in the world of ubuntu
[20:49] <mbeierl> all, I have to leave for the day, can anyone help Shardded set up the wired network connection under Network Connections for his dlink card?  He was attempting to follow the instructions on the CD, which do not work for Ubuntu :)
[20:49] <kushite> and my graphics driver wont work
[20:50] <kushite> i mean i don't know the protocolls here but i need help.
[20:50] <kushite> can anyone help me?
[20:50] <frische> kushite: could you be a little more specific
[20:50] <gangil> kushite : which graphic card do you have and what is your ubuntu version ?
[20:50] <kushite> ok sure
[20:50] <frische> just a little....
[20:50] <guntbert> sudobash: if there is no other error you need not fix it
[20:51] <kushite> i have Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
[20:51] <kushite> toshiba satellite computer
[20:51] <kane77> hi, can you recommend some amarok-like player? I used exaile and amarok, but I new amarok does not work and exaile is unresponsive at times.. I want something fast :/
[20:51] <aXeus> Ahh Gparted is showing my whole drive as Unallocated. Suggestions?
[20:51] <sudobash> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[20:51] <sudobash> i can set essid on wlan0
[20:51] <tanveer> frische:i dont no wer to get it from
[20:51] <sudobash> but I dont get anything even if I set ap
[20:52] <sudobash> iwlist scan wlan0 comes up with no scan results
[20:52] <sudobash> this is a friends laptop
[20:52] <andy> compatible messenger
[20:52] <guntbert> sudobash: wlan0 is the important one, wmaster0 is "below" and "we" need not worry about it
[20:52] <aXeus> I noticed the disk scan tool alerts me about an overlapping partition. Could that cause Gparted to not see my partition table properly?
[20:52] <frische> tanveer: assuming you use a default ubuntu desktop, look under system->admin.->synaptics pacakge manager
[20:53] <sudobash> right... but iwlist scan wlan0 has nothing sitting right next to wifi
[20:53] <tanveer> frische:im going onto windows to try hjsplit
[20:53] <frische> tanveer: you don' t need to. under windows you would use winrar
[20:53] <tanveer> i installed unrar now wat
[20:53] <sudobash> its using B43 drivers should I try ndiswrapper?
[20:54] <tanveer> frische:i installed unrar frmo sypthatthic now wat?,
[20:54] <jaapz> hella
[20:54] <jaapz> *hello
[20:54] <sudobash> i think the wifi antennae is down but I already did sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:55] <kushite> Ubuntu 9.04 - the Jaunty Jackalope i cannot enable the advanced visual settings because ubuntu cannot find any drivers for my  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
[20:55] <jaapz> i've got problems with the firefox 3.5 rc and thunderbird 3.0 beta
[20:55] <epaphus> mbeierl, I excuted the commands as root.. but that didnt delete the config file.. when i reinstalled pidgin the account was already configured
[20:55] <epaphus> how can I delete pidgin including all the config files??
[20:56] <papapep> epaphus: sudo aptitude purge pidgin
[20:56] <frische> tanveer: go to the folder with the split files (file.001,file.002, file.rar) and open the file.rar
[20:56] <frische> it should work like any other archive
[20:56] <epaphus> papapep, thats what i did.. and it didnt erase the configs when i installed it back.. i need to start from zero
[20:56] <tanveer> frische: its a   'Crash Team Racing.rar.001'
[20:57] <frische> epaphus: rm -rv ~/.purple
[20:57] <epaphus> frische, thanks
[20:57] <jaapz> is there somebody here who can help me with firefox 3.5?
[20:57] <jaapz> the fonts in all the menu's are all messed up
[20:57] <guntbert> sudobash: as for wmaster0: here is my syslog for wlan http://paste.ubuntu.com/206511/
[20:57] <sudobash> it says the wifi is down
[20:58] <Kai_> Oh no you won't, MBD123!
[20:58] <sudobash> but I already did sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:58] <MBD123> Kai: Huh, buh, duh, wha???
[20:58] <sharddx> ok im back after a disconect
[20:58] <tanveer> frische: i opened with unrar and nothing happened
[20:58] <guntbert> Shardded: shall we try once again?
[20:58] <sharddx> pleas
[20:59] <Kai_> MBD123: wow, wuh wuh wuh wuh wuh. *maraca*
[20:59] <tanveer> frische: its taking to long im going into windows, its hell of alot easier see ya!
[20:59] <sharddx> just bare wigh me plean guntbert as i have to go back and forght
[20:59] <frische> tanveer: unrar is a console application. it is called from within a graphical archive program like file-roller
[20:59] <Kai_> MBD123: OMG it's \/\/eegee!!!~!
[20:59] <Kai_> tanveer: bad!
[20:59] <tanveer> frische: that doesnt help tbh
[20:59] <frische> you should be able to double click the file
[20:59] <kushite> ok so i cannot even enable the normal desktop effects. its as if there is no driver installed for my Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950. how can i check or re-install the driver?
[21:00]  * Kai_ punches tanveer
[21:00] <tanveer> no thx but
[21:00] <tanveer> i would use hjslpit and join it in seconds
[21:00] <tanveer> way eaiser
[21:00] <Kai_> yeah, tanveer, that's correct. you ARE a butt.
[21:00] <guntbert> sharddx: you are Shardded too?
[21:00] <frische> go ahead
[21:00] <mtu> heyas. i downloaded the three files from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/wicd/1.6.1-3 - how do i compile them into a package i can use to upgrade?
[21:00] <tanveer> kai_: then do VNC or something with me!!!
[21:00] <tanveer> i dont understand
[21:01] <Kai_> wow, t-<tab> is gigantic.
[21:01] <kushite> ok so i cannot even enable the normal desktop effects. its as if there is no driver installed for my Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950. how can i check or re-install the driver?
[21:01] <Kai_> kushite: maybe you can go to #spam and SPAM THERE
[21:01] <tanveer> this is to time consuming, everything is eaiser in windows im going now ...any second....
[21:01] <kushite> hilarious
[21:01] <kushite> that is so funny
[21:01] <frische> tanveer: you are wasting my time
[21:01] <Kai_> repeating will not help
[21:01] <kushite> thank you for your incite into my problem
[21:01] <tanveer> frische: your not helping again
[21:01] <Kai_> tanveer: have fun failing
[21:01] <tanveer> seriously
[21:02] <kushite> you're an awesome person
[21:02] <ari5av> hi folks.  libxi6 just updated this weekend and my sound devices disappeared.  how can I revert to an earlier version?  can't apt-get remove because all of gnome depends on it
[21:02] <tanveer> i open hjsplit in windows and locate the .001 and then it wil merge it simple!!
[21:02] <tanveer> and then i use winrar to extract
[21:02] <tanveer> and boom!
[21:02] <g0thmog> hello guys ... im following a book, and im having trouble installing pcalc on ubuntu ..
[21:02] <g0thmog> can anyone help me?
[21:03] <gangil> kushite: I fear not , even I had the same problem...
[21:03] <tanveer> im quiting UBUNTU BECAUSE IT SUCKS!!!!!! WINDOWS XP RULES, YOU SHOULD MAKE TEH UBUNTU ENVIRONMENT BLA BLA BLA LIKE XP AND THE SHORTCUTS AND BLA BLA BLA LIKE XP BYE!!
[21:03] <ari5av> oh my
[21:03] <mtu> impressive
[21:03] <n1ght> lol
[21:03] <kushite> gangil: help me
[21:03] <g0thmog> hey, can anyone help to install pcalc?
[21:03] <Bennit> MaximusBrood: so A segfault should never occur, if the php interpreter I'm using would be bugfree?
[21:04] <Kristof_D> right, starting to miss him already...
[21:04] <mtu> i downloaded the three files from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/wicd/1.6.1-3 - how do i compile them into a package i can use to upgrade?
[21:04] <gangil> kushite: also check this site ubuntugeek.com , it can solve many of your ubuntu newbies problem
[21:04] <Mr-Woof> hi all
[21:04] <ari5av> g0thmog: what version of ubuntu are you running, do you know?
[21:04] <Mr-Woof> can i ask a quick question about ntfs drives?
[21:04] <g0thmog> ari5av, 8.10
[21:04] <gangil> kushite: I dont think you can enable even normal effects
[21:04] <joaopinto> !ask | Mr-Woof
[21:04] <gangil> as simple as that
[21:04] <commander_> anyone have the alpha 9.10?
[21:04] <Bennit> if so I'll try to figure out with gbd where it goes wrong :):
[21:04] <Mr-Woof> :)
[21:04] <Bennit> karmic?
[21:04] <ari5av> I don't see a pcalc package, you sure you're looking for the right package?
[21:05] <kushite> gangil: because of the weak graphics card? or because i dont have a graphics card installed
[21:05] <Mr-Woof> I've got my machine dual booted with XP, 3 drives in total. One is for ubuntu, number two is xp and a data partition and three is just one data partition
[21:05] <g0thmog> ari5av, just following a book, system is a Ubunti on x86 proc .. need to follow the exercises using pcalc ..
[21:05] <ari5av> Mr-Woof: you probably want ntfs-3g
[21:06] <Mr-Woof> When ubuntu starts, sometimes all three drives will appear on my desktop, then just one, but I can access them from the places menu and then they appear
[21:06] <gangil> kushite: you need something like ATI or nvidia for desktop effects , but I am not a pro like many out here , better crosscheck ...
[21:06] <Mr-Woof> got that installed arisav
[21:06] <sharddeddx> ok guntbert
[21:06] <Mr-Woof> just wondering why, sometimes 1, 2 etc will mount on the desktop
[21:06] <ari5av> g0thmog: that package doesn't exist, sorry.  what's the exercise you're following?
[21:06] <guntbert> sharddeddx: you put your NIC in you PC, right?
[21:06] <g0thmog> ari5av, just a book man ...
[21:07] <g0thmog> ari5av, what about compiling and installing?
[21:07] <ari5av> and it's teaching you to... what, install a new package?
[21:07] <g0thmog> ari5av, it is teaching me arithmetic operations on different bases
[21:07] <sharddeddx> NIC? sorry bear wight me im realy new to ubuntu but if its the card then yes its in the pc
[21:08] <ari5av> um
[21:08] <ari5av> try gcalctool
[21:08] <ari5av> :)
[21:08] <n0gear> ari5av: there is pcal ... could it be that one?
[21:08] <Mr-Woof> any ideas on the random ness of the drives mounting? :)
[21:08] <ari5av> no, that generates postscript calendars
[21:08] <ari5av> Mr-Woof: when you touch it, it mounts.  leave it alone for a while, it doesn't.
[21:09] <ari5av> reiterating my question:  libxi6 just updated this weekend and my sound devices disappeared.  how can I revert to an earlier version?  can't apt-get remove because all of gnome depends on it
[21:09] <Mr-Woof> when i boot up arisav, i'll click on it in the places menu and it'll mount. Sometimes it'll be mounted at the start, sometimes it wont
[21:09] <guntbert> sharddeddx: no problem, yes I meant the network card. I've never seen the necessity to compile a special driver for one. What is it?
[21:09] <Mr-Woof> I'm just wondering if this is a normal thing, not that fussed just interested :)
[21:10] <ari5av> Mr-Woof: add it to your fstab.  know how to do that?
[21:10] <Mr-Woof> nope :)
[21:10] <n0gear> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Date-Pcalc-Download-10990.html theres a tar.gz of pcalc
[21:10] <ari5av> Mr-Woof: man fstab  <--- read the manpage for starters, come back if it's confusing :)
[21:10] <Mr-Woof> I've just found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[21:10] <Mr-Woof> I'll have a read and report back :)
[21:11] <Rov> How do I add a user with an already existing /home to my machine, and why does the UI complain when I do it?
[21:11] <josilinux> Hi everyone,
[21:11] <ari5av> Mr-Woof: yeah that'll teach you pretty well
[21:11] <josilinux> I'm Brasilian
[21:12] <Mr-Woof> wow, that's a lot of work lol