[14:16] <jrwren> cmaloney: you might like this: https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/8088-mph-the-final-version/
[16:28] <SneakyPhil> hello
[16:30] <brousch> yo
[16:34] <SneakyPhil> does everyone here run ubuntu in prod or is this just an ubuntu fan channel?
[16:46] <jrwren> SneakyPhil: by in prod, you mean server or cloudimg, right?
[16:46] <jrwren> SneakyPhil: yes. for at least 3yrs that has been my thing.
[17:00] <_stink_> hi SneakyPhil
[17:18] <brousch> jrwren: You scared him away by being to awesome
[17:18] <brousch> too
[17:18] <jrwren> *shrug*
[20:45] <SneakyPhil> cool, thanks jrwren
[20:46] <SneakyPhil> we run Centos 6/7, Debian 7/8, and one Ubuntu server that needs to be migrated out
[20:46] <SneakyPhil> for personal/work laptop use ubuntu is the way to go
[20:47] <jrwren> SneakyPhil: for server, ubuntu cloudimg is the way to go :)
[20:47] <SneakyPhil> cent 7 for our hosts and then ubuntu for the docker containers
[20:49] <jrwren> darned shame if ya ask me. :)
[20:49] <SneakyPhil> :P
[20:50] <jrwren> hey, its better than no ubuntu.
[20:50] <jrwren> I think I'd go back to windows if I had to use rhel or centos exclusively
[20:50]  * SneakyPhil pats jrwren on the back
[20:50] <SneakyPhil> it's not THAT bad
[20:51] <SneakyPhil> this laptop runs 14.04
[20:52] <SneakyPhil> dual monitors, audio, steam games, netflix
[20:52] <SneakyPhil> mostly like apple, it just works
[20:53] <jrwren> centos... its pretty bad.
[20:53] <jrwren> curl linked to gnutls so cert auth doesn't work with common cert formats, wtf?!?
[20:53] <jrwren> its the little things
[20:53] <jrwren> and they add up
[20:53] <jrwren> and I've no tollerance for it.
[20:53] <spaceburrito> SneakyPhil: "mostly like apple" just without all of the nasty proprietary culture :)
[20:54] <SneakyPhil> spaceburrito: :)
[20:55] <SneakyPhil> haven't run into an issue with curl and gnutls yet
[20:56] <jrwren> most folks don't use cert auth
[20:56] <jrwren> it sok.
[20:56] <jrwren> i know I'm insane.
[23:35] <cscheib> http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/08/police_chase_ends_in_grosse_po.html
[23:35] <cscheib> that's certainly the most exciting thing to happen in my neighborhood since Bashara
[23:36] <spaceburrito> nothing exciting ever happens over here. Except that earthquake a while back


[00:00] <acron17> e.g. synclient -h gives me "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
[00:20] <DanaG> argh, damned xorg is ignoring lots of my fdi file options.
[00:21] <DanaG> Emulate3Buttons is set to false........ and yet pressing left + right gives middle.
[00:21] <DanaG> EmulateWheel is set to true, and to middle button... and yet, middle button does not make it scroll.
[00:23] <DanaG> Oh, and ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work.  Lovely.
[00:23] <DanaG> er... wait, I was hitting backSLASH.
[00:25] <DanaG> I should  never, ever be able to see this in XEV:
[00:26] <DanaG> What I was going to say:
[00:26] <DanaG> XEV should never see the terminate_server key.
[00:29] <crimsun> ah
[00:29] <crimsun> well, debugging those bits can be like alice down the rabbit hole
[00:30] <crimsun> first, an embarrassingly high number of symptoms can be worked around simply by rebooting
[00:30] <crimsun> second, if you have resumed, be aware that linux+hal quirks often are ignored (!)
[00:30] <DanaG> Even if I restart the hal daemon?
[00:31] <DanaG> And unload and reload psmouse, too.
[00:31] <crimsun> yes, that's how i discovered that the synaptics driver does the wrong thing post-resume _or_ post-hal-restart
[00:31] <DanaG> ah.
[00:32] <DanaG> Also, my "TouchStyk" (as Synaptics calls it) shows up as PS/2 Generic Mouse, so I can't do anything with it.
[00:32] <DanaG> I wish it would fall under the Synaptics device, instead.
[00:32] <crimsun> yes, i just went through that whole debugging shebang last week
[00:32] <DanaG> ah.
[00:32] <crimsun> try rebooting and seeing if that resolves the issue _or_ suspend-to-disk then resuming (after a fresh reboot, of course)
[00:32] <DanaG> If I reboot, will the disabling middle emulation and enabling emulate-wheel work?
[00:33] <crimsun> probably, i don't know your specific linux (:hw) quirks
[00:34] <crimsun> i'm slowly working through a bunch of acpi (linux, mostly) and suspend-to-ram bugs
[00:34] <DanaG> Off to try rebooting.  Oh yeah, and radeon_drv has missing symbols, so I'm using radeonhd.
[00:43] <DanaG> Odd... for some reason, I'm seeing lots of traffic between PulseAudio and my router.
[00:46] <DanaG> Another oddity: the buttons on the pointstick are attached logically to the touchpad device, not to the pointstick device.
[00:54] <DanaG> I can't figure out why PulseAudio is flooding my network despite me not playing any audio.
[00:55] <DanaG> .. or why netstat shows the traffic as going to my router itself, and not to the other computer.
[01:18] <DanaG> Okay, that's even weirder: by loading psmouse with proto=exps, I got the two devices to combine into one... which actually reported itself as PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad.......
[01:18] <DanaG> ...... and yet, HAL did not assign the 'touchpad' capability to it.
[01:20] <DanaG> ... and the Xorg synaptics driver says: (EE) PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[01:20] <DanaG> ... even though cat /proc/bus/input/devices SHOWS the touchpad name!
[01:24] <crimsun> hopefully you don't have what i have, meaning that /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX1_port_logicaldev_input_0 gets info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.mouse', 'input.touchpad', 'access_control'}
[01:24] <crimsun> it makes for very, very (un)amusing loss of functionality upon hal restart
[01:25] <DanaG> For default settings, or for exps parameter?
[01:25] <crimsun> default settings
[01:26] <DanaG>  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_i8042_i8042_AUX3_port_logicaldev_input gets { 'input',  'input.touchpad' }
[01:26] <DanaG> The pointstick (which is, rather stupidly, no longer part of the logical touchpad device!) gets name PS/2 Generic Mouse, and capabilities input, input.mouse, and access_control.
[01:27] <DanaG> Passing exps makes the stick fall under the the touchpad (as I think it damn well should be!)... but then the touchpad does not get the input.touchpad capability.
[01:28] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/7/6/7
[01:29] <DanaG> Is it really supposed to be _useful_ to have an unconfigurable stick device?
[01:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and when I still had the match by input.touchpad.... it used evdev.... and the middle-emulation-disable and scroll-emulation-enable both worked.
[01:30] <DanaG> In Windows... it shows up as one device in device manager.
[01:33] <crimsun> oh, i presumed you were using input-hotplug
[01:33] <crimsun> is that not the case?
[01:33] <DanaG> I am, actually.  Custom fdi files.
[01:34] <DanaG> Do you happen to know how the synaptics xorg module actually decides whether something is a touchpad?
[01:34] <DanaG> Apparently, it's not by name.
[01:36] <IdleOne> since we are on the touchpad subject is it possible to get touchpad to activate itself when unplugging usb mouse and then deactivate when pluggin back in?
[01:38] <IdleOne> or better yet. can I possibly use one mouse on two monitors using separate system?
[01:39] <crimsun> DanaG: it's actually in xfree86-driver-synaptics-0.15.2/src/synaptics.c::QueryHardware()
[01:40] <crimsun> the actual structure is synhw
[01:41] <crimsun> this is invoked from xf86OpenSerial()
[01:41] <crimsun> see also SynapticsPreInit()
[01:43] <crimsun> the identification of models is in src/ps2comm.c::ps2_synaptics_identify()
[01:45] <crimsun> IdleOne: to the former question, yes
[01:46] <IdleOne> crimsun, is the a link I can follow for directions on how?
[01:47] <crimsun> IdleOne: no idea, i haven't searched the 'net
[01:47] <IdleOne> ok but it is doable
[01:47] <crimsun> quite
[01:47] <IdleOne> well then
[01:47]  * IdleOne goes searching
[01:50] <IdleOne> http://maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-hardy-disable-synaptics-touchpad-when-typing/2008/06/24   not exactly what I want but could be useful
[01:57] <IdleOne> well hot tamales....I have a button to turn on and off the touchpad
[01:57] <IdleOne> would still be nice if this issue could be done automagically with Synaptics
[02:02] <DanaG> hmm, I'll have to muck around in the source a bit, after dinner.  (was helping set the table.)
[02:02] <DanaG> It looks like the synaptics xorg driver assumes it will get the guest device's input directly... but then the kernel portion goes behind its back and breaks the guest device out as a secondary psmouse device.
[02:04] <DanaG> I'm going to try i8042.nomux, randomly, next time I boot.
[02:38] <naught101> has anyone else noticed that mp3s sound horrible in amarok on jaunty?
[03:03] <x1250> does anybody has a working gnome-settings-daemon (2.25.2-0ubuntu3)?
[03:06] <RAOF> x1250: Yup, works here.
[03:08] <x1250> RAOF, doesn't here, bug 309602
[03:13] <RAOF> I'd _guess_ that deleting ~/.config/monitors.xml.desired (or, better, moving it somewhere else) would fix that for you.
[03:16] <x1250> uhm, I'll test that, thanks
[03:27] <crimsun> x1250: just commented on that bug
[03:27] <x1250> RAOF, that fixed it :), I'll comment
[03:29] <RAOF> x1250: So, presumably that file was corrupt.  Someone should post their copy of it.
[03:29] <x1250> crimsun, then I have the dbg package. I have: gnome-settings-daemon-dbgsym installed
[03:29] <x1250> RAOF, post the corrupted file?
[03:30] <x1250> I still have it, I'll post it.
[03:30] <crimsun> x1250: yes, thanks
[03:37] <x1250> crimsun, RAOF, I posted the file. Anyway, after restarting X, the file was not regenerated, it doesn't exist now.
[04:09] <DanaG> argh, yeah.. radeon driver is broken.
[04:10] <DanaG> Undefined symbol.
[04:14] <DanaG> That pass-through thing really is lame, as long as there's no driver for the stick directly.
[04:18] <DanaG> ... and why the heck is pulseaudio flooding the network even though I have no audio playing in any apps whatsoever on any computer?
[04:32] <x1250> because pulseaudio sucks? :)
[04:33] <burner> constructive
[04:33] <x1250> joke :P
[04:33] <RAOF> DanaG: Because you've got a RTP broadcast sink set up?
[04:33] <DanaG> Nope.
[04:33] <DanaG> I'm not even playing any audio.
[04:34] <DanaG> And in netstat... it shows as going to my router, of all things.
[05:03] <DanaG> Argh... that's so stupid: the passthrough port renders the guest mouse useless.
[05:04] <DanaG> Instead of having it show up as a guest mouse to synclient and to the Synaptics xorg driver........ it instead shows up as a frickin' generic, untweakable mouse.  Stupid.
[06:39] <DanaG> damned fglrx... anything newer than 8.543 gives a kernel panic.
[07:39] <naught101> anyone here able to test something in inkscape for me?
[07:55] <Arodon> since moving to Jaunty (w/ intel 945) my TTYs are useless - all I get is some random lines which look like they're probably leftover from usplash. Is anyone else getting this?
[08:04] <Arodon> nvm looks like Bug #301737
[11:55] <laotseu> hi
[11:55] <laotseu> I've an issue with my nvidia driver under jaunty (i know it's not stable, but just want to know if somebody knows a workaroud). everything worked well until my last dist-upgrade. Now, i've to use the "nv" driver, if i try to install "nvidia-glx-177" apt wants to remove xorg & co ... does somebody know when it'll be ok ?
[11:56] <laotseu> it is not very important, but i'm just looking for information :)
[12:03] <RAOF> laotseu: The nvidia driver needs to be updated for the new Xserver ABI (again).  It won't be installable until then.
[13:09] <prahal_> hi I compiled at-spi without xevie support as otherwise its registry fails to start under xorg 1.6 (which does not have xevie anymore). Now rhythmbox mmkeys plugin (mulimedia keys) fails to work (more important it nearly freezes rhythmbox). Killing at-spi fixes this though I wondered if somebody versed into key managment could enlighten me about what could be wrong when at-spi is on
[13:10] <prahal_> so I could attempt to fix it . Or confirm that at-spi-registryd and rhythmbox plays well together when xevie support is available ( <= intrepid)
[13:11] <ikonia> not sure what your asking
[13:12] <hischild> prahal_, intrepid is in #ubuntu
[13:13] <prahal_> if rhythmbox does not stall for minutes when pressing a multimedia key on intrepid in short :) or if anyone using a non modified at-spi have at-spi-registryd running at the same time as rhythmbox on jaunty and pressing a multimedia key does not crawl his box
[13:14] <prahal_> thanks I ll ask the pre jaunty part in #ubuntu. I am still interested in experience about the jaunty part :)
[13:53] <ikonia> !a test
[13:54] <ikonia> mega
[14:18] <hischild> !test ?
[14:19] <hischild> !test
[14:19] <hischild> see :p it works! :D
[16:26] <nblracer> need some quick help if posiable; I just installed a radid card with a hard drives from an existing raid
[16:27] <nblracer> how would i go about mount the raid
[16:27] <ikonia> nblracer: what os was the raid system running on
[16:27] <nblracer> ubuntu is on another drive not in the raid
[16:27] <ikonia> nblracer: 1.) what os are you currently runing 2.) what OS was the raid disks running on before you move them
[16:27] <nblracer> on the raid it was originally win xp,
[16:28] <ikonia> nblracer: what os are you currently running
[16:28] <nblracer> i just want to see the data and copy over some critical files,
[16:28] <ikonia> nblracer: was it hardware raid or software raid
[16:28] <nblracer> ubuntu.8.1
[16:28] <ikonia> nblracer: then you are in the wrong channel, this is for 9.04 discussion
[16:29] <ikonia> nblracer: you need #ubuntu for support
[16:29] <nblracer> hardweare promise fastrack tx2000
[16:29] <nblracer> the raid bios found the drives and recognize the raid
[16:29] <ikonia> nblracer: you need #ubuntu for support
[16:30] <nblracer> bah i new you would say that, but my question gets lost in the thousands of people in that channel
[16:30] <ikonia> nblracer: you need #ubuntu for support
[16:30] <Pici> nblracer: And yet you are offtopic for this channel.
[16:30] <nblracer> i know
[16:30] <Pici> nblracer: Keep the question to one line and ask in #ubuntu
[16:33] <pbor> no idea if my question is offtopic too... I just installed jaunty alpha2 x86_64, did anybody manage to get skype working?
[17:04] <hischild> updated from intrepid to jaunty in vbox (normal install just hangs) but the modules are out of date. >.>\
[17:08] <CarlFK> mount -t nfs is timing out.  dmesg shows: [41490.228101] rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out; [41490.228184] RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5).
[17:08] <CarlFK> I installed the same packages on ibex, and I get what is needed.
[17:09] <CarlFK> is this something to report, or does something else now need to be installed?
[17:49] <bobesponja> hey
[17:49] <bobesponja> is there anything broken in today's jaunty?
[17:55] <CarlFK> bobesponja: plugging in a usb drive doesn't get a /dev node
[17:56] <CarlFK> does that qualify as broken?
[17:56] <bobesponja> CarlFK: yes, but I don't use usb drives that much
[17:58] <pbor> mmm, some of the symlinks in /usr/lib32 are broken
[17:58] <pbor> they point to outdated versions
[18:00] <bobesponja> pbor: is it useable?
[18:00] <pbor> seem usable so far
[18:16] <ikonia> bobesponja: it's a development version there are lots of breakages
[18:20] <bobesponja> ikonia: yes I know, I've run on ubuntu+1 many times but I usually wait for beta1 :)
[18:33] <ikonia> so why are you asking if anything is broke it doesn't matter if it's broke now, it will break
[18:38] <bobesponja> I'm just asking if there is anything that is really badly broken, people ask this all the time in this channel
[18:39] <nhandler> bobesponja: xserver
[18:41] <ikonia> a fair few things,
[18:42] <bobesponja> I guess so, but nothing that will stop my system from booting, sometime libc is broken and it won't even boot
[18:44] <ikonia> try it ?
[18:44] <ikonia> thats the whole point
[18:45] <ikonia> whats stable for one guy maybe a failure for the next
[18:47] <bobesponja> no shit man, I'm downloading right now, just asking in the main time ok? that's what this chan is for
[18:48] <CarlFK> i don't think that's what this channel is for
[18:49] <CarlFK> unless you mean "what can I help fix"
[18:58] <CarlFK> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1  how do I search for "usb" in jaunty?
[19:01] <BUGabundo1> CarlFK: that would be a REALLY long list....
[19:01] <BUGabundo1> better use Google and be more specific!
[19:01] <CarlFK> BUGabundo1: well, by checking a crap load of check boxes, I got 28 bugs
[19:01] <CarlFK> im not sure what you think I am searching for
[19:02] <BUGabundo1> I don't
[19:02] <BUGabundo1> just caught the tail of your message
[19:03] <CarlFK> plugging in a usb drive doesn't get a /dev node
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> humm
[19:03] <CarlFK> trying to see if that has been reported
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> change port!
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> better yet, change usb chipset port
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> it happens to me a lot!
[19:03] <BUGabundo1> don't know why, but some ports, some times, miss the juice to work
[19:03] <CarlFK> [169924.564516] usb 5-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
[19:03] <CarlFK> [169924.701121] usb 5-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[19:04] <CarlFK> I get that.. lsusb shows it
[19:04] <BUGabundo1> maybe the disk is dead?
[19:04] <CarlFK> and I did even change from onboard to a pci card
[19:04] <BUGabundo1> it happens
[19:04] <CarlFK> nope, moved the disk back to a ibex box, works fine
[19:05] <CarlFK> plugged in a thumb drive, works fine
[19:05] <BUGabundo1> humm what can I tell you... the world is strange!
[19:05] <CarlFK> " No results for search          usb"
[19:05] <CarlFK> thats the problem I am looking for help with :)
[19:06] <BUGabundo1> the other day I couldn't connect an usb pen on either port... but it worked on XP
[19:06] <BUGabundo1> humm stupid idea CarlFK: have you rebooted with it plug in?
[19:06] <BUGabundo1> or even tried the recovery console kernel ?
[19:07] <BUGabundo1> some times it helps... its no fix, but a quick remedy
[19:07] <CarlFK> that will not help me see if anyone has reported it...
[19:07] <BUGabundo1> hehe
[19:07]  * BUGabundo1 asks: email me your disk and I'll test it! ROFL
[19:08] <BUGabundo1> CarlFK: http://www.google.pt/search?q=bugs+launchpad+connecting+usb+will+not+mount+it&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:08] <BUGabundo1> make the query BIGGER
[19:08] <CarlFK> let me know when you are done looking at all those
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> ROFL
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> I won't!
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> you will if you wanna find a dupe
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> LP search sucks!
[19:09] <BUGabundo1> but then again
[19:09] <CarlFK> then that needs to be fixed too
[19:10] <BUGabundo1> Kernel team usually want linux bugs to be filed separatelly
[19:10] <BUGabundo1> just $ ubuntu-bugs -p linux and add your syslog
[19:11] <BUGabundo1> or nag the guys and galls at #ubuntu-kernel for required debug data
[20:12] <mahfiaz> hi, anybody else encountering gnome-thumbnail-font using all cpu until killing? I wonder if it is worth reporting or is one of not easy to miss bugs
[20:40] <bobesponja> is ubuntu switching to lilo
[20:50] <TheInfinity> bobesponja: why?
[20:51] <bobesponja> TheInfinity: I'm upgrading and it is asking me to run liloconfig even though I didn't have it installed
[20:51] <TheInfinity> hmm. perhaps a bug / double installed package / whatever? my jaunty has no lilo atm ;)
[20:56] <CarlFK> any idea what I need to install to get mount -t nfs working?
[20:57] <CarlFK> i think this is relevant: "rpcbind: server localhost not responding,"
[21:16] <TheInfinity> CarlFK: portmap installed? nfs common installed?
[21:17] <CarlFK> portmap is already the newest version. ;nfs-common is already the newest version.


[00:07] <diddledan> thanks to popey my amazon now has a related items list of entirely car stereos
[00:07] <daftykins> XD
[00:07] <diddledan> hint. I have no car
[00:07] <daftykins> you can go in and remove a viewed item to stop it spoiling your recommendations
[00:09] <diddledan> also thanks to popey further down the page is a load of hand-held barcode scanners
[00:12] <daftykins> XD
[01:41] <map> so
[01:41] <map> watched apprentice
[01:41] <map> watvched my other show
[01:42] <map> just gotham to watch now
[01:42] <daftykins> :)
[01:42] <daftykins> i tried to buy a new phablet for the boss but it declined at card auth twice =|
[01:45] <map> what one u want
[01:46] <diddledan> grr
[01:46] <map> ;]
[01:48] <map> what to do
[01:48] <map> hm
[01:50] <daftykins> map: i've decided to pick the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 for the boss
[01:50] <daftykins> i know the Note 4 is out, but the price, lul
[02:00] <ali1234> yeah but Note 4 can go in the gear vr
[02:00] <ali1234> it's really good
[02:01] <daftykins> lol
[02:01] <daftykins> his uses are international business travel, i think going that high-res is a waste of time and will just impact battery
[02:01] <daftykins> he's on a Note 1 right now
[02:01] <daftykins> and Vodafone has been getting him down
[02:01] <ali1234> so he wants to play VR games on the plane then -> Note 4 + Gear VR
[02:03] <daftykins> sigh.
[02:04] <ali1234> it's a no-brainer seriously
[02:04] <daftykins> yes, that VR toys aren't for businessman in their 60s :P
[02:05] <daftykins> *men
[02:10] <diddledan> lol
[02:10] <diddledan> everything leads to a note 4 + gear vr, ali1234 ?
[02:10] <ali1234> yes
[02:11] <daftykins> you're welcome to enjoy the early adoption antics ;)
[02:17] <diddledan> oh dear: http://www.cnet.com/news/makers-of-internet-infrastructure-warn-against-more-regulation/
[02:19] <daftykins> that pic makes me cry
[02:24] <diddledan> sir tim berners lee has warned about skynet
[02:24] <diddledan> http://www.cnet.com/news/web-founder-europes-right-to-be-forgotten-rule-is-dangerous/
[02:25] <diddledan> specificslly: ""The robots are already here, and they're called corporations. Be very very scared," Berners-Lee said. "Don't ask when it will happen. It's already happened."
 It's arriving one bit at a time -- a language translator here, some computer vision there. Eventually those pieces will be put together under a controlling system that we can call consciousness, he said.
[02:25] <diddledan> "People imagine that a stream of consciousness is going to to be a hard thing to do," something as complex as our notion of the soul, Berners-Lee said. "I have a horrible feeling a stream of consciousness is going to be a few lines of code on top of the other stuff.""
[02:25]  * m0nkey_ pokes diddledan
[02:25]  * diddledan giggles
[02:27] <daftykins> if a utility classification doesn't suit funding to ISPs, perhaps some unique classification that maintains neutrality should be imposed
[02:28] <daftykins> s/imposed/created/
[02:29] <zmoylan-pi> but some isps that are also cable companies and who may want to make their offerings more netflixy would fight that tooth and nail
[02:31] <daftykins> make them more netflixy?
[02:32] <zmoylan-pi> they'd want to be able to give priority to their video on demand service over the likes of netflix.  sorry for bad wording. brain is a few sleeps short of fully awake
[02:34] <daftykins> that's alright :) ah yes indeed, to prioritise
[02:35] <daftykins> that is definitely a problem with cable providers
[02:35] <diddledan> pretty much all the major ISPs have some form of TV associated in the UK these days
[02:36] <zmoylan-pi> and then you have mobile providers who are even more twitchy over who gets priority on their limited bandwidth
[02:37] <diddledan> I tend to think the opposite to the letter mentioned in that report - without net neutrality what incentive do the isps have in increasing capacity?
[02:37] <daftykins> it's backwards here XD my ISP chose to start doing an IPTV service
[02:38] <diddledan> I don't get why ISPs feel the need to get into video streaming
[02:38] <diddledan> e.g. BT vision
[02:39] <diddledan> and talktalks wtfevar it is
[02:39] <zmoylan-pi> everyone else is doing it is enough reasons for managers to make sure they have their version
[02:39] <daftykins> too true
[02:40] <diddledan> I read a report about VOD services - about 70% of the available titles in the UK are on VOD but to be able to get your own personal capability to watch that 70% you need to sign up to over 25 different services
[02:41] <zmoylan-pi> kinda like the early days of tv where there were a bunch of different incompatible services
[02:41] <daftykins> diddledan: huh? like, film or sport channels via providers etc?
[02:42] <diddledan> which bit are you huh?ing?
[02:43] <daftykins> 'you need to sign up to over 25 different services'
[02:44] <diddledan> yeah. netflix. amazon prime. etc.
[02:45] <daftykins> oooh now i get you, in order to see all that content
[02:45] <zmoylan-pi> and soon amc will have their own vod so may be tempted to pull it off other vod services
[02:46] <diddledan> yeah, the 70% is aggregated across almost 30 different providers so you need to sign up to them all
[02:46] <diddledan> amc?
[02:46] <daftykins> as long as they finally release The Sopranos every season in HD :P
[02:46] <zmoylan-pi> each with a 'small' monthly charge
[02:46] <zmoylan-pi> makers of mad men, halt and catch fire
[02:47] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sopranos-Complete-Collection-Blu-ray-Region/dp/B00K0OZ3Y4/
[02:47] <daftykins> omg it exists at last!
[02:48] <zmoylan-pi> well you wait till everyone has the dvd boxset before you release the blu ray :-)
[02:49] <diddledan> http://gizmodo.com/which-countries-last-the-longest-watching-porn-damn-c-1669139181
[02:49] <diddledan> SFW
[02:49] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: heh, it stopped airing years ago
[02:51] <zmoylan-pi> that doesn't affect the math, wait till dvd sales of series slump before releasing blu ray so you can double charge passionate customers who will buy it again in higher res
[02:52] <zmoylan-pi> would explain why really popular shows like sopranos take so long to make it to bluray, yes?
[02:53] <daftykins> yeah i understand that
[02:53] <diddledan> oh, amazon, you know me so well. Their email tonight extolls about 70% off party dresses, an electric toothbrush and a job-lot of amazon NiMH rechargeable flatteries
[02:54] <daftykins> i just feel like they would've hitten saturation point forever ago
[02:54] <daftykins> i only kind-of own a bluray player now since i have an Xbox One
[02:54] <diddledan> ex bone
[02:54] <diddledan> that's something norty with your previous bf/gf?
[02:55] <daftykins> you're a bad, bad man
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> or has the most battery life in an electric toothbrush this side the practical fusion reactor :-)
[03:17] <diddledan> toaster science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN_PK5pXmIY
[04:23] <map> whos still up then
[04:29] <daftykins> i'm in bed as we speak!
[04:29] <zmoylan-pi> in bed but awake
[04:29] <zmoylan-pi> watching mash
[06:00] <map> hm
[06:00] <map> started watvching z nation
[06:00] <map> anyone seen it
[06:00] <map> zmoylan-pi,  i need to write it down..whats that show again :( il save it as a note this time
[06:49] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Pressure_%28radio_series%29
[07:56] <MooDoo> map: it's good isnt' it
[09:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all, and happy birthday UNICEF! :-D
[09:24] <bashrc> morning
[09:27] <foobarry> what happens when you try to apply a patch file and the line number don't match up?
[09:35] <diplo> Anyone in here tried the Odroid C1 ( Raspberry PI type board )
[09:36] <foobarry> "the `-F lines' or `--fuzz=lines' option sets the maximum fuzz factor to lines. " answered my own qu
[10:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:07] <bashrc> morning
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> morning carbon based lifeforms
[10:11] <isleofmandan> Moghrey mie ;)
[10:13] <popey> morning
[10:13] <MooDoo> morning
[10:16] <dutchie> lo
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning
[10:25] <diddledan> yawn
[11:53] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:58] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[11:58] <bigcalm> Goodness, it actually is
[11:58] <bigcalm> How strange
[11:59] <diddledan> thankfully only for another minute
[11:59] <diddledan> :-p
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> good nooniness
[12:00] <diddledan> hmm, my phone just beeped in a manner it's never beeped before
[12:00]  * diddledan wanders off to investigate
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> it's calling out to it's phone bretheren to start the revolution against the humans
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> ^puny humans
[12:12] <diddledan> you tube is broken
[12:12] <diddledan> can't watch any video
[12:13] <bigcalm> My tube is fine
[12:13] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ <-- 502s here
[12:13] <diddledan> it's relevant to zmoylan-pi
[12:13] <bigcalm> Works for me
[12:13] <diddledan> grr
[12:14] <diddledan> google Y U DO DIS?
[12:14] <bigcalm> That's in chromium without flash
[12:14] <bigcalm> 502 is a gateway issue
[12:14] <diddledan> yeah I don't even get that far
[12:14] <diddledan> I get google's standard error screen
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi>  worked here, firefox
[12:14] <foobarry> can anyone assist with a little javascript query please? i have a dropdown menu that changes the image based on the month chosen
[12:15] <foobarry> http://pastie.org/private/fkyg5wplcfjtbi36uz4aq
[12:15] <bigcalm> Works in firefox with flash as well
[12:15] <foobarry> however would like this script to be re-usable
[12:15] <diddledan> https://mrkr.io/IQUh6nssIa
[12:15] <foobarry> so when #mainimage = 1.png then a prefix is added, rather than complete substition of text
[12:16] <foobarry> at the moment the pastie link has substition
[12:16] <foobarry> i can't find a good description of the options of the last line
[12:18] <diddledan> eh?
[12:19] <foobarry> what does $('#mainimage').attr('src',dynamic_src);
[12:19] <foobarry> do?
[12:19] <foobarry> replace src with dynamic src
[12:19] <diddledan> changes the attribute "src" on the element with id "mainimage" to whatever is in dynamic_src variable
[12:20] <foobarry> yep
[12:20] <foobarry> how can i do src, prefix+src instead?
[12:20] <diddledan> so  becomes <img src="wtf was in dynamic_src?"
[12:20] <foobarry> is it as simple as doing
[12:20] <foobarry> $('#mainimage').attr('src',dynamic_src);
[12:20] <foobarry> woops
[12:21] <foobarry> $('#mainimage').attr('src',dynamic_src+src)
[12:21] <diddledan> no
[12:21] <diddledan> src isn't a variable
[12:21] <diddledan> unless you've set it elsewhere?
[12:21] <foobarry> no
[12:22] <foobarry> i can't see where src comes from
[12:23] <diddledan> var el = $('#mainimage'); el.attr('src', dynamic_src + el.attr('src'));
[12:24] <diddledan> note however, if you change it several times each subsequent assignment will add the prefix onto the already prefixed with a different prefix value
[12:24] <foobarry> let me test, thanks
[12:25] <diddledan> so in the case of those months and dates: 1st run will make src="2014/01/image.png" and second run will make src="2014/01/2014/0/image.png"
[12:26] <diddledan> so you probably don't want to "just prepend a prefix"
[12:38] <foobarry> yeah
[12:38] <foobarry> :(
[12:38] <foobarry> the only way i can do it atm is a different .js for each png
[12:38] <foobarry> which seems non optimal
[12:40] <foobarry> can i do the reverse way and append instead?
[12:44] <diddledan> try something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/9475418/
[12:44] <diddledan> the first and last lines aren't strictly necessary
[12:46] <diddledan> (I love javascript for it's nesting capability)
[12:46] <diddledan> a value in a function() {} can be accessed by any function defined within the same outer function
[12:48] <diddledan> so function() { var foo="bar"; var bar = function() { alert(foo); } bar(); } will pop up a box saying "bar" when you run the outer function even though the inner function doesn't define the foo variable, because it's scoped from the outer funciton
[12:49] <foobarry> thanks a lot. i'll get some lunch and see if i can get my brain around it :)
[12:57] <intrbiz> diddledan: most languages have closures
[13:00] <diddledan> intrbiz, php. justsayin
[13:01] <diddledan> php has a hard boundary at the function wall - you can't access variables defined outside the function
[13:01] <diddledan> unless they're explicitly defined as "global"
[13:01] <diddledan> but you need to define them as global first and then redefine them as global in the function to pull in their value
[13:02] <intrbiz> judging by google PHP 5.3 has closures
[13:03] <diddledan> what's your definition of a closure?
[13:03] <diddledan> and what's googles?
[13:03] <intrbiz> a function with referenced environment
[13:04] <intrbiz> so in your JS example bar is a closure, which has a reference to foo
[13:06] <diddledan> a closure looks to be more complex than just "a function within a function": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_%28computer_programming%29
[13:07] <diddledan> specifically a closure is a returned function from a function rather than just a function which happens to exist within a function
[13:11] <diddledan> maybe I'm wrong in that
[13:11] <intrbiz> at a minium it is closure-like
[13:11] <diddledan> "A closure—unlike a plain function pointer—enables a function to access those non-local variables even when invoked outside its immediate lexical scope."
[13:12] <intrbiz> i fear the semantics could be argued over by accademics till the end of time, but implementation wise, most languages have a form of a function with referenced state
[13:12] <diddledan> my contrived example in of foo=bar alert foo wasn't a closure but the example in the pastebin was at the event handler
[13:13] <intrbiz> well, bar is the function pointer, the function itself has a reference to a non-local variable: foo
[13:14] <intrbiz> the fact, at implementation it happens by prototyped scopes, is an implementation detail, abstractly it still seems like a closure to me
[13:18] <diddledan> meh, I never actually studied the science of computer-theory - I just like the pattern
[13:19] <intrbiz> I never did CS either
[13:19] <diddledan> heh :-)
[13:19] <intrbiz> which is why the pure semantics don't really interest me
[13:20] <intrbiz> but most languages have the same functionality: lambda's, anon classes, anon functions, anon subs, blocks, etc
[13:20] <diddledan> theory is all fine for theorists, but engineers need to actually do things
[13:20] <intrbiz> indeed
[13:21] <intrbiz> and don't ask is a closure == a object, that seems contentious
[13:21] <diddledan> at times I can imagine a CS guy would get bogged down in the "correct" CS way to do something rather than the most sensible
[13:22] <intrbiz> :)
[13:22] <foobarry> ok..
[13:22] <diddledan> give them credit for being clever but can another dude actually understand the code that the cs guy wrote?
[13:22] <foobarry> i am passing the png name as part of the function
[13:24] <foobarry> although badly..
[13:25] <diddledan> the pastebin is close to what you need I "think"
[13:25] <foobarry> YAY
[13:26] <foobarry> diddledan: i implemented differently but same idea, so thank u :D
[13:27] <diddledan> \o/
[13:30] <foobarry> i would show the results but they are behind fw and authentication :(
[13:33] <foobarry> http://pastie.org/private/yilcfoqhv21e0wywegtbq
[14:03] <foobarry> can patch files contain wildcards?
[14:03] <foobarry> for matching the line to remove
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> you can increase the maximum offset
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: man patch -- it's called "fuzz factor"
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> no wait.. that's for non-matching context
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: what do you want to achieve?
[14:11] <foobarry> remove a bunch of lines, but one of the lines might have a varying word
[14:12] <diddledan> copy+paste coded?
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you can use sed for that :)
[14:13] <diddledan> this is why encapsulation into reusable components is a good idea :-p
[14:13] <foobarry> yes, i've been using sed
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> :D diddledan
[14:17] <d3ngar> Hello! I have recently got a new laptop and installed Ubuntu 14.04. I got this error that sometimes, after stand-by, the keyboard layout changes to US. I do not even have the US keywboard installed! I have seen that there are other people that have had the same issue in previous versions. There is a bug open for 13.10, but I cannot find one for 14.04.
[14:17] <d3ngar> Should I open a new bug?
[14:19] <foobarry> i have new respect for people that do websites from scratch
[14:19] <foobarry> and javascript :S
[14:19] <foobarry> d3ngar: isn't there an "also affects" category on the bug?
[14:19] <foobarry> particularly if it is the same one, and not resolved
[14:20] <diddledan> just add a tag for the release codename you're running - trusty
[14:21] <d3ngar> It says that the package is the Gnome-settings-daemon
[14:21] <d3ngar> How do I know this is actually correct>
[14:21] <d3ngar> ?
[14:21] <d3ngar> I'm not sure if it's 100% the same bug, because the other bug runs under the title 'Keyboard layout changing randomly'
[14:23] <daftykins> was it a clean 14.04.1 install? dist-upgrade'd ?
[14:24] <d3ngar> Clean
[14:36] <popey> BBC QT is going to be "fun" this evening.
[14:36] <diddledan> they got nick griffin?
[14:37] <diddledan> nigel farage?
[14:37] <diddledan> either/or
[14:37] <directhex> farage vs brand
[14:37] <diddledan> lol
[14:37] <directhex> in a cage fight
[14:37] <diddledan> that's a fireworks show right there
[14:37] <popey> gonna get some beers in i think
[14:37] <diddledan> brand will get farage tied up in verbal knots
[14:38] <diddledan> farage will just argue black is white and therefore he isn't racist
[14:38] <popey> farage will laugh manically
[14:38] <popey> with his big wide mouth
[14:39] <foobarry> twitter's 2 favourite people
[14:39] <foobarry> brand will do his bearded lady impression
[14:39] <foobarry> twitter will explode
[14:40] <popey> yeah
[14:40] <popey> i imagine it will
[14:40] <foobarry> farage will say "PARKLIFE" at the end of every brand sentence
[14:42] <directhex> farage is an idiot who does a great job of pretending to be a smart man pretending to be an idiot
[14:44] <foobarry> does he pretend to be smart?
[14:44] <foobarry> although the press are more dumb
[14:45] <foobarry> farage milked them over the breast thing, all he had to say was one comment and the press and twitter exploded in rage
[14:45] <foobarry> it was hilarious
[14:45] <diddledan> the problem is for some reason people still listen to him
[14:45] <diddledan> and worse some agree with him
[14:46] <directhex> "yeah, those gosh darned immigrants! broken britain! i'm moving to costa del sol..."
 And makes one wonder about the mental state of people you share the world with
[14:51] <Myrtti> both in the native country and here
[14:51] <foobarry> people on my facebook who support UKIP openly? all people who have moved to UK in last 10 yrs from abroad :|
[14:51] <Myrtti> damned if I get a job, damned if I don't
[14:52] <directhex> UKIP is here to help deport all those useless scrounging foreigners who keep stealing everyone's jobs
[14:52] <diddledan> Myrtti, "go back home ye foreign wench" (I mean your british home, obviously. there might be a parcel waiting :-p)
[14:52] <foobarry> and they are the ones supporting them
[14:54] <Myrtti> and the biggest surprise for me has been how much easier many things are in Finland. Many things are easier here than in Finland, of course, but by golly, some things seem like they've been purposefully made impossible
[14:55] <diddledan> the question is, how far back do I go in my family's history to determine where my origins are? - e.g. my surname llewellyn suggests I'm a valley lad from waleslandshire but my grandparents are from east london and my parents are hampshire born and bred
[14:55] <directhex> my mum's french. my dad's anglo-indian & born abroad
[14:56] <diddledan> directhex, I choose to focus on the french and call you a frog
[14:56] <davmor2> directhex: so how many languages do you speak?
[14:56] <directhex> davmor2: fluently? english & french
[14:56] <davmor2> diddledan: nice
[14:56] <directhex> i also did 4 more languages at school
[14:56] <diddledan> ok, in that case then I choose to focus on the indian, because you can't speak that
[14:57] <diddledan> go back to india, diddledan
[14:57] <diddledan> er
[14:57] <diddledan> that didn't work
[14:57] <davmor2> haha fail
[14:57] <diddledan> lol insultfail
[14:58] <Myrtti> is there some specific reason why there isn't a centralised govermental registry of UK citizens? like, when they were born to which parents, where, and of their current address, marital status etc? is it some kind of primordial mistrust of the government, or is is just the laziness of carrying old ways of doing things?
[14:58] <directhex> the thing about anglo-indians is they see themselves as 100% british, not in any way indian
[14:58] <Myrtti> or UK residents, even
[14:58] <foobarry> Myrtti: they tried an id card system
[14:58] <foobarry> it was too expensive
[14:58] <foobarry> they canned it after spending many 100s of £M
[14:59] <foobarry> we have census and electroal roll
[14:59] <diddledan> mind you my attempt at a welsh accent sounds decidedly like the stereotypical pakistani accent - it makes it sound like I'm trying to be racist against pakistanis. or welsh. or both.
[14:59] <shauno> neither of which work - I'm a british citizen, and appear on neither the census nor the electoral roll
[15:00] <Myrtti> foobarry: id cards don't necessarily come into the picture at all. I don't have a Finnish one.
[15:01] <Myrtti> it just that because there's one central place where all this information is held, it can be referred to and multipoint verified
[15:02] <diddledan> directhex, I'm in full support of people living in britain thinking of themselves as british. it pains me to see people attacked and insulted because they're perceived to be non-native - what exactly constitutes native anyway?
[15:02] <Myrtti> ie. I have an identity number, that works as my Finnish national insurance number, which is on my passport, bank account details and whatnot. I can use my passport, or if I had one, drivers licence or ID card as a proof of identity, and I can use my Internet banking account details as an electronic proof of identity, because I had to proof my identity in person at the bank when I signed up.
[15:03] <directhex> diddledan: bloody saxons coming over here from saxony
[15:03] <Myrtti> What have the Romans ever done to us!
[15:03] <Myrtti> or for us, even
[15:03] <foobarry> Myrtti: they don't even know how many people live in the uk
[15:03] <shauno> oh don't get me started on the romans.  the *original* housing bubble.
[15:03] <foobarry> estimates vary by a few M
[15:04] <diddledan> directhex, yeah. those saxons raped and pillaged and now I'm here as a bastard (proper meaning, not a swear) offspring of their loins
[15:04] <Myrtti> foobarry: I know, there isn't a hint of my existance in here at the moment, because i didn't have to sign up anywhere, and I at the moment even can't.
[15:04] <shauno> diddledan: trivia .. that's almost exactly what my surname means :)
[15:04] <Myrtti> which sucks when we now have to do the paperwork for the wedding, because I can't prove I'm here
[15:05] <diddledan> my parents are married but I'm sure a saxon raped someone and left an illigitimate child somewhere in my history
[15:05] <foobarry> hmm
[15:05] <shauno> we (ireland) seem to use electricity bills for this.  almost exclusively.  it's hilarious.
[15:05] <Myrtti> shauno: it sssuuuuuuccckkkksss
[15:05] <Myrtti> SSSSUUUCCCKKKSSSS
[15:05] <diddledan> Myrtti, you're a figment of our imaginations
[15:05] <popey> Myrtti is just an irc bot
[15:05] <shauno> oh it does.  especially since my house doesn't technically exist according to the post office.
[15:06] <popey> which talks about odd finnish food now and then to put us off talking about UKIP and tea
[15:06] <diddledan> popey, your antics on the uupc show how much you love your tea :-p
[15:06] <Myrtti> I don't have any utility bills for my name, because d pays them all and all my euro wages go into my Finnish account for the wedding expenses
[15:06] <Myrtti> so I can't wave around a utility bill to prove I'm here.
[15:06] <Myrtti> popey: ooh, tea.
[15:07] <popey> mmmm tea
[15:07] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[15:07] <diddledan> popey, cake, too
[15:07] <popey> had mince pies and brandy butter last night
[15:07] <popey> SO MUCH brandy butter
[15:07] <diddledan> ok, now I'm jelly
[15:07] <diddledan> that's just rubbing our noses in it
[15:07] <shauno> did popey just break() Myrtti's loop?  the Bot theory seems to hold some weight ..
[15:08] <popey> it was so yum
[15:08] <popey> not sure what we're going to do with uupc next year
[15:08] <popey> tony is leaving ☹
[15:08] <Myrtti> awww
[15:08] <Dave2> A great loss for the gaming community
[15:08] <diddledan> Laura does a good job with the audio levels - makes it exciting to see how it turns out each week ;-)
[15:09] <popey> ☻
[15:09] <popey> this week i had to waffle a couple of times as tony got up to fiddle with switches and cables on marks mic
[15:09] <foobarry>  popey> it was so yum
[15:09] <foobarry> it was so apt
[15:09] <popey> pac. man.
[15:10] <diddledan> nothing like twiddling with your knobs on a live broadcast
[15:10] <Dave2> you're really up2date with your package manager jokes
[15:10] <shauno> I think you should take Dan on as an apprentice.  he has degrees in waffling.
[15:10] <diddledan> lol
[15:10] <popey> these jokes are really clicking with me
[15:10] <diddledan> ooh, snappy
[15:11] <diddledan> \o/
[15:11] <popey> we should have had cheese and portage after our mince pies and brandy btrfs
[15:11] <foobarry> yast stop it now
[15:11] <foobarry> that joke is so yast year
[15:12] <diddledan> I'm coming over there to beat you senseless for these jokes.  8. governement
[19:37] <diddledan> I think they're at least running it on windows7 tho
[19:37] <daftykins> *shudder*
[19:37] <daftykins> that's alright at least, yeah
[19:37] <DJones> diddledan: Its the government, they'll be using XP
[19:37] <diddledan> DJones, good point
[19:38] <DJones> Why is it that nobody ever seems to be running Windows Vista, its either XP or Vista
[19:38] <DJones> Why is it that nobody ever seems to be running Windows Vista, its either XP or Windows 7
[19:38] <diddledan> aye
[19:39] <daftykins> Vista is way more painful on the same hardware as 7
[19:39] <daftykins> so anyone with any sense moved up
[19:39] <daftykins> most people i've had Vista systems from, abandoned them
[20:04] <diddledan> I like pointless commit messages
[20:04] <diddledan> "I've been a big boy and started playing with crayons. I didn't eat them too much."
[20:07] <daftykins> lol
[20:14] <map> yo
[20:25]  * DJones would yo but gibralter internet is worse than Liverpool
[20:27] <daftykins> XD
[20:28] <daftykins> my mates dad at the pub quiz the other night told an musing tale of being stick in Gib years ago when the borders still existed, they shut so they couldn't go back to Morocco
[22:11] <mapps> yo
[22:31] <mapps> noone awake..? its early1
[22:31] <mapps> too early for daftykins  maybe :)
[22:32] <daftykins> no sir
[22:32] <daftykins> just channel hopping
[22:37] <shauno> awake?  but it's still yesterday!


[01:18] <bluesabre> Unit193, re: exo, currently working on making all the scripts use exo-2 paths
[01:19] <bluesabre> since exo-2 should now be default
[02:30] <bluesabre> Unit193, I think this commit will do it, but will do some tests and whatnot to confirm, https://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/commit/?id=de2d50f242299b8d6ea9945b91eff23585e6f091
[04:32] <bluesabre> Unit193, did a lot of de-versioning in exo, https://git.xfce.org/xfce/exo/, and uploaded an exp package to https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental... going to test it out tomorrow in a vm and see if everything still works
[06:59] <oleks> flocculant: I did initramfs -k all -c after changing the text in the files I found, and everything went alright :-)
[07:01] <Unit193> Since you are editing a file in /usr/share, you should be aware that package upgrades will simply overwrite it.
[07:22] <oleks> Unit193: thanks for the heads up, but I hope that the actuall important setting was in /lib/cryptsetup/
[07:22] <Unit193> Same difference.
[07:23] <oleks> Unit193: fair enough, I guess I'd have to add internationalization settings to some package to make this permanent?
[07:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, and thanks for looking into it!
[08:37] <Spass[m]> I think that 24px panel is getting to small for modern resolutions, maybe you/we could think about changing it to something bigger? 26?
[08:39] <Spass[m]> 24 would be ok if it was used just as an information panel with notification icons, but since Xubuntu uses it for Window Buttons, something bigger would be slightly better imho
[08:44] <Spass[m]> *too small
[11:05] <bluesabre> Unit193, from some limited testing, looks like everything is good there. Do you have any concerns about those changes (moving pixmaps to common, moving helpers and such to exo-2, removing the version from the perl script)
[11:06] <bluesabre> oh boy, all my recent SRUs are starting to get accepted into proposed
[11:08] <knome> flocculant, i did somethikg :)
[11:33] <bluesabre> knome, that finnish word at the end looks awfully familiar
[11:40] <Unit193> It's Finnish for "TAKE A HIKE!!"
[11:43] <bluesabre> :D
[16:09] <knome> heh
[20:28] <ochosi> knome: i'm a little out of touch but is everything sorted artwork-wise for 19.04?
[20:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: I haven't specifically looked at the changes, but having the perl helper in exo-2 just delays the issue a bit, no?
[21:23] <bluesabre> Unit193, the perl helper is moved to common since it's not compiled
[21:24] <bluesabre> (and doesn't depend on either lib)
[21:52] <Unit193> I like how there's -common and -helpers.


[12:35] <Pygi> welcome chara
[01:18] <MarioMeyer> heya chara
[04:26] <spike> 'afternoon
[04:30] <tarvid> hello
[04:31] <tarvid> i have a few servers up on hoary and breezy
[04:31] <tarvid> planning on more
[04:31] <tarvid> this looks more like a career than a project
[04:32] <spike> tarvid: hi there
[04:32] <tarvid> i'd like to put one "sandbox" on the cutting edge.
[04:32] <tarvid> hi spike
[04:32] <tarvid> but serviceable
[04:32] <tarvid> where should i get my files?
[04:33] <spike> tarvid: I've no idea what u're talking about, sorry
[04:34] <tarvid> there was a breezy "server" release a couple of months ago, does dapper include those efforts?
[04:37] <Pygi> well, there will  be a dapper "server" release if that's what you mean
[04:38] <spike> tarvid: which efforts?
[04:38] <tarvid> Pygi, i found a dead link to nightly dapper server builds
[04:38] <tarvid> spike, LDAP among others
[04:38] <Pygi> tarvid: well, not sure that there is a current server build
[04:38] <spike> LDAP what? if it'll be included in dapper?
[04:39] <infinity> tarvid: The "server" CD is just a different package selection from the regular CD.
[04:39] <tarvid> there are more than enough packages, the issue is how much work is required to get them to work together
[04:39] <infinity> tarvid: All the packages come from the same archive.
[04:40] <Pygi> infinity: and the dapper server will have tweaked kernel, won't it?
[04:40] <spike> Pygi: it will
[04:40] <infinity> Pygi: The dapper server CD will have the "server" kernels on it, yes, but those are also in the main archive.
[04:40] <Pygi> infinity: yup, I know...
[04:40] <infinity> So, you can just as easily use a "normal" CD, then switch kernels, or do a netinstall, or, or..
[04:40] <tarvid> so if I download dapper and say "server" at the install I get the "server" release?
[04:40] <tarvid> there was a separate iso section on the mirrors called ubuntu-server
[04:41] <infinity> tarvid: Basically.  "server" at the install prompt just means "install a very minimal system, and let me tweak it after"
[04:41] <infinity> tarvid: "ubuntu-server" has a different set of packages on the CD (not installed by default, just shipped), and a different default kernel (but you can install that after the fact, if you use a regular CD...)
[04:42] <infinity> Just install "linux-server" after you install dapper, if you want to check out the server kernel.
[04:42] <tarvid> ah! perhaps exactly what I am looking for.
[04:43] <tarvid> i run three ubuntu web servers, one (not ubuntu at the moment) mail server, one backup server, a staff server, ...
[04:44] <tarvid> a few of the staff members have sandbox servers
[04:44] <tarvid> we like to stay on top of ubuntu servers in some rational manner
[04:45] <tarvid> it is beginning to look like a career
[04:46] <tarvid> what does spike want to do?
[04:53] <tarvid> one of the tasks i am facing is a new mail server
[04:54] <tarvid> i pulled user shell accounts ages ago and a virtual server makes sense
[04:54] <tarvid> the sql setup for courier and postfix is close but not congruent
[04:54] <tarvid> i have several people who maintain mail accounts
[04:55] <tarvid> i'd like to have a consistent tool for them to add, archive, delete mail accounts
[04:55] <tarvid> i haven't found one that rolls up everything into a package
[07:01] <Xoritor> wow
[07:37] <Xoritor> anyone here run ubuntu with xen
[07:37] <Xoritor> i see a few mentions on the forums
[07:38] <spike> Xoritor: I do, self compiled
[07:38] <Xoritor> do you have to self compile it?
[07:39] <ubijtsa2> yes
[07:39] <spike> Xoritor: integration is a bit problematic because of ubuntu release cycle/policies and xen ones. in short their kernel patch release cycle is too slow and wont apply to latest kernel provided by ubuntu.
[07:39] <Xoritor> oh
[07:39] <Xoritor> bummer
[07:39] <spike> Xoritor: if u want something stable of course. dev tree has patches that applies to current, tho
[07:40] <Xoritor> hmm
[07:40] <ivoks> xen should enter linus's kernel :/
[07:40] <ubijtsa2> it will, in time
[07:40] <Xoritor> ivoks, i have not used it enough to say if that would be good or bad
[07:40] <Xoritor> ;-)
[07:40] <Xoritor> heh
[07:41] <spike> Xoritor: "it's the best thing since sliced bread"
[07:41] <spike> ehehe
[07:41] <spike> always made me laugh
[07:41] <ivoks> Xoritor: if you take a look on linus's kernel, you would see Xen is much more stable then most of that kernel :)
[07:41] <ubijtsa2> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_3007wfp?c=us&l=en&s=gen  <- how's that for a monitor
[07:42] <ivoks> 30"?
[07:42] <spike> once they get guests running with no modifications on intel/amd hw virtualization, then things will get serious
[07:42] <ivoks> lol, that's a great TV for movies :)
[07:42] <ubijtsa2> 2560x1600 resolution...
[07:43] <spike> I tend to dislike 'em for quite a few reasons
[07:43] <ubijtsa2> some desktop that would be...
[07:43] <spike> 2-3x17-21 is a *much* better solution imho
[07:44] <ivoks> spike: i agree
[07:44] <maswan> ivoks: an lcd computer monitor is likely to suffer from the "no dark" problem
[07:44] <spike> it's easier to keep things organized with more screens running separated X, not xinerama
[07:44] <spike> it's easier to replace a faulty one and u wont kill urself if for some reason u break it by accident
[07:45] <ubijtsa2> if separate X displays, just run x2x
[07:45] <maswan> I prefer just one monitor really
[07:45] <maswan> And the higher the resolution the better
[07:45] <spike> ubijtsa: eh? why should I? and there's better than x2x, synergy
[07:45] <maswan> Of course, I don't want to spend that much money on a monitor. :)
[07:45] <spike> ubijtsa: works with windoze too
[07:45] <Xoritor> ivoks, i dont dispute that at all
[07:45] <ubijtsa2> I'd like two, in xinerama, with 1600x1200 on each
[07:46] <spike> anyway, x2x or whatever implies other boxes, here we were talking of monitors
[07:46] <spike> nvidia has got a relly well working mode for that, besides xinerama
[07:46] <ivoks> i would like one small 14 or 15"
[07:46] <ivoks> no wide screen
[07:47] <ivoks> my next laptop won't be widescreen :/
[07:47] <spike> 3 17 is my best setup
[07:47] <ivoks> and, it won't be dell :))
[07:47] <spike> god bless u man :)
[07:47] <spike> got an inspiron?
[07:47] <ivoks> yup 8600
[07:47] <spike> doh
[07:47] <spike> irc'ing from one of those crappy thingie
[07:47] <ivoks> there is more glue than plastic on this laptop :))
[07:48] <spike> anyway, back to work, talllk to u later
[07:48] <ivoks> bye


[00:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL57626971e16d: Spellcheck tips_and_tricks] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL57626971e16d
[03:07] <guiverc> how can I get libmfm-qt & libqtxdg versions (upstream bug report)
[03:08] <wxl> you're trying to get old versions of them?
[03:09] <wxl> combine with this and you'll probably figure it out XD https://anonops.com/xchat.html
[03:11] <wxl> i know
[03:11] <guiverc> pcmanfm-qt report requires me to specify versions.. (lub 20.10 & debian.testing)  packages not installed
[03:11] <wxl> oh jeez wrong channel again
[03:11] <wxl> this is what happens when people talk to me in real life argh
[03:11] <wxl> if i remember correctly guiverc it's package=version-string
[03:12] <guiverc> Thanks wxl, left those fields blank (as packages not installed on either box), they can yell it me if they do need it :)
[03:13] <wxl> they probably will XD
[03:13] <wxl> ping me if tsujan gives you any trouble
[05:46] <Eickmeyer> *cough* pull request incoming on calamares-settings-ubuntu *cough*
 @Eickmeyer [<Eickmeyer> *cough* pull request incoming on calamares-settings-ubuntu *cough*], \o/
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> I may have forgotten to mention the pull request is on Github and should explain everything.
[18:39] <wxl> @Eickmeyer: saw it and very excited but don't have a moment to look at it right now
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> wxl (@freenode_wxl:matrix.org): No worries.
[19:06] <apt-ghetto> Eickmeyer: The version is wrong (1:20.10.0ubuntu1 => 1:20.10.0 or .1)
[21:00] <Eickmeyer> apt-ghetto: I honestly expected that to be overwriten anyhow. Also, it was late and I was tired.
[21:02] <Eickmeyer> (it's not the meat-and-potatoes of the MR)
[21:03] <Eickmeyer> er, PR
[21:04] <Eickmeyer> Either way, fixed in the PR
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> wxl: Do you think it might be possible to get direct commit perms on that eventually? I'm going to have some refining to do before October.
 wxl: remember some complains about refreshing background in Openbox? I found the solution
[23:05] <wxl> Eickmeyer: i'm sure we can make that happen
[23:05] <wxl> @HMollerCl no i don't remember
[23:07] <wxl> it's to stop javascript which has the potential for leaking information and deanonymizing
[23:09] <wxl> tor is #tor on oftc


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[19:27] <vijay_negi> e can.
[22:12] <TheMuso> RAOF_: I don't know. Fixing volume range problems is not one I am 100 sure about.
[23:09] <RAOF> Are there really 799 pending SRU uploads for Natty?
[23:09] <RAOF> Ah.  Language packs.
[23:13] <RAOF> My we have a lot of them.


[00:00] <debfx> yofel: in beta 1 or current git?
[00:00] <yofel> this is beta1
[00:00] <yofel> fixed in git?
[00:00] <debfx> I think so, there was a thread on kde-core-devel about it
[00:00] <yofel> good
[00:02] <yofel> meh, I actually read the first part of the thread and then forgot about it -.-
[00:03]  * debfx uploads pkg-kde-tools and crosses fingers that it doesn't break anything
[00:04] <debfx> that package needs a more extensive test suite
[00:32] <debfx> ScottK: networkmanagement is NEW (source package rename)
[00:33] <yofel> did you intentionally deprecate knm-runtime btw.?
[00:37] <debfx> yofel: the monolithic variant is disabled/unmaintained upstream
[00:37] <yofel> ah, ok
[00:41]  * yofel goes cherry picking patches to disable kdeclarative
[00:46] <debfx> ScottK: could you please also look at virtualbox in NEW? thanks :)
[01:53] <yofel> what should one do again when symbols go missing? (or do we even care about that considering we build with dpkg-gensymbols -c0?)
[02:50]  * yofel uploads kde4libs to ninjas and goes to bed
[09:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: remind me not to do any packaging until I am sober, which is, like in 7 hours
[09:52] <debfx> yofel: you need to investigate if the missing symbols were part of the public API
[11:15] <bulldog98> Hi guys is someone doing kdepim 4.6? I’d like to do that
[11:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are worse than JontheEchidna
[11:30] <apachelogger> bulldog98: someone probably is, best check with yofel
[11:42] <bulldog98> yofel: are you packaging kdepim 4.6?
[12:12] <yofel> morning
[12:22] <yofel> bulldog98: nope, I was doing kdelibs, and if shadeslayer isn't doing it it would be great if you did it. Check with him when he's done with the debian merge
[12:23] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: are you packaging kdepim 4.6?
[12:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: in what way?
[12:23] <bulldog98> yofel: ok thanks for info
[12:24] <bulldog98> yofel: in fact I’m already building kdepim-runtime on my system
[12:25] <bulldog98> yofel: should I package it for oneiric and for natty?
[12:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: drinking
[12:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: please note I am STILL drinking
[12:26] <yofel> bulldog98: for oneiric use the merged packaging from bzr, Jonathan merged -runtime already
[12:27] <yofel> actually since we'll only put the packages into backports you can backport that to natty then
[12:27] <bulldog98> yofel: ah ok
[12:28] <yofel> hm, wait, that's the packaging for 4.4, take the other one then rather
[12:28] <bulldog98> you mean the ubuntu-4.6 branch?
[12:29]  * bulldog98 can’t create a oneiric pbuilder (fail: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/298)
[12:30] <bulldog98> but running debootstrap manually works - strange
[12:31] <yofel> bulldog98: best would be if you could take the oneiric packaging and  use that, I'll be a bit of work though since that's for 4.4, I would prefer that though since it uses dhmk
[12:32] <bulldog98> yofel: ok I’ll look into that
[12:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what I said
[12:34] <Quintasan> Whatever.
[12:35] <Quintasan> skanlite, y u no pdf support?
[12:49]  * Quintasan weeps at plasma mediacenter
[13:28] <yofel> debfx: from what I see 2 public symbols from kjs are missing thanks to http://paste.kde.org/80725
[13:28] <yofel> the others were either private or optional
[13:31]  * yofel -> lunch
[13:35] <bambee> afternoon
[13:36] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/624304/  <---
[13:36] <bambee> wow
[13:37] <bambee> (the problem is probably due to a half-upgraded kde... I don't know)
[13:41] <bambee> mhhh... I will try an aptitude -f install and use its conflict resolver...
[13:49] <jussi> bambee: just force install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.6.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[13:50] <bambee> how ?
[13:50] <jussi> sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.6.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[13:50] <jussi> or so.
[13:50] <bambee> mhhh... good idea
[13:50] <jussi> Because its only a file overwrite, it should be fine
[13:50] <jussi> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.6.3-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[13:50] <jussi>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libpowerdevilcore.so.0.1.0', which is also in package libpowerdevilcore0 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[13:51] <jussi> the run your sudo apt-get install -f
[13:51] <jussi> then*
[13:54] <bambee> well conflict solved :)
[13:54] <bambee> thanks jussi ;)
[13:59]  * bambee reboots
[14:05] <debfx> yofel: those header files aren't installed so it should be ok
[14:06] <yofel> ah ok, forgot to check that...
[14:10] <bambee> jussi: you're my hero :D  (with harald of course :P)
[14:10] <bambee> ^^
[14:23] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: if you want to take it up after i'm done with KDE PIM merge, sure
[14:26] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: is kdepim-runtime save to do?
[14:26] <shadeslayer> i guess
[14:26] <yofel> -runtime was done by jte
[14:26] <bulldog98> I’ve finished that :) should I upload the changes to a new branch of mine?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> right now i can't figure out why our kdepim-dev package isn't built
[14:29] <bulldog98> the translations (should I package them into a seperate package?)
[14:32] <yofel> probably, they conflict with our kde-l10n packages
[14:39] <bulldog98> yofel: I’ll look into that, but for now https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.6.0
[14:59] <yofel> bulldog98: is there anything that needs the -dev stuff?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> do we need to pass any special flags to get kdepim-dev ?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> because none of the files in that package are getting built
[15:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am wondering if it did not make more sense to add left over work items to related specs of oneiric
[15:07] <apachelogger> and then have a collection spec for stuff that does not have a related spec in one-ear-rick
[15:09] <cjohnston> o/
[15:09] <apachelogger> cjohnston: welcome
[15:09] <apachelogger> proper is a matter of defintion :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> looking into the blueprints right now
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hi cjohnston
[15:10] <cjohnston> well.. proper for the app
[15:10] <cjohnston> hey shadeslayer
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw our discussion on the network manager yesterday, what should we do then?
[15:10] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto#Work items in the whiteboard <-- apachelogger
[15:10] <apachelogger> cjohnston: can they be prefixed with * or -?
[15:10] <apachelogger> guess not
[15:11] <bulldog98> yofel: no -> goes to not-installed
[15:11] <yofel> bulldog98: that I agree with, but you added a -dev package
[15:12] <cjohnston> apachelogger: if you assign https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-wiki to either a ~kubuntu-dev member, or ~kubuntu-dev it will show up on the team page as well
[15:13] <yofel> anyway, need to go, bbl
[15:13] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[15:13] <apachelogger> I wonder
[15:14] <apachelogger> cjohnston: why kubuntu-dev?
[15:14] <apachelogger> technically kubuntu-members is the driver of kubuntu
[15:14] <shadeslayer> fooey
[15:15] <cjohnston> because we use kubuntu-dev as the dev team?
[15:16] <cjohnston> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/kubuntu-dev.html apachelogger
[15:19]  * apachelogger is not sure he likes that from a governance pov
[15:20] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-community  when its a team, it needs to be the kubuntu-dev name, not Kubuntu Developers name.. and the blank [] should have kubuntu-dev in them, and then switch them to whomever does them when they do it, or take the work item
[15:20] <cjohnston> apachelogger: its just a team..
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[15:21] <cjohnston> kubuntu-dev is afaik how its always been
[15:21] <apachelogger> cjohnston: and yet it is a public page that paints the wrong picture
[15:23] <apachelogger> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-wiki of the seven subscribed people only two are kubuntu-devs
[15:23] <cjohnston> what is the council team name
[15:23] <apachelogger> cjohnston: kubuntu-council
[15:23] <cjohnston> do we want to compare to the ubuntu ones?
[15:23] <apachelogger> cjohnston: compare what?
[15:24] <bulldog98> yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.6.0-fixed
[15:24] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[15:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ping
[15:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: unping
[15:25] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-developer-ubuntu-dot-com-plans only has 2 community team members, but over 20 subscribers
[15:27] <apachelogger> also it is not assigned to a team
[15:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: unpong
[15:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could find me a kubuntu-member that is not dev if you have time
[15:27] <cjohnston> it shows up on http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html because it is assigned to David who is a member of the team
[15:27] <apachelogger> people are ever so unresponsive
[15:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: rbelem?
[15:29]  * Quintasan notes we just made him a member
[15:29] <apachelogger> cjohnston: right, so we do not have full-time contributors, thus assigning something to a person unless that person is absolutely motivated and aware of the importance would be poison, additionally since kubuntu is a community driven project the community ought to be the public driver of everything that is not moved forward by an invidual member of the community
[15:30] <apachelogger> now as for the assigning to kubuntu-dev
[15:30] <apachelogger> we have some 7 kubuntu devs
[15:30] <apachelogger> and ~50 official members
[15:30] <Quintasan> sheytan: ping
[15:30] <apachelogger> if something is publically bound to be driven by the 50 members
[15:30] <Quintasan> jussi: lol, Freescale is driving me mad
[15:30] <apachelogger> they are much more likely to feel responsible and get stuff done
[15:31] <Quintasan> mind if I go there with my portable rocket launcher?
[15:31] <apachelogger> if the 7 elitist kubuntu devs are responsible, then the members will go "uh, yeah, who cares, they'll do it"
[15:33] <apachelogger> cjohnston: on a not unrelated not, let's assume kubuntu-dev is assignee, would a kubuntu-member even be able to edit the whiteboard?
[15:33] <cjohnston> yup
[15:33] <cjohnston> I am editing the whiteboards
[15:33] <cjohnston> I have fixed 5 or 6 of the BPs
[15:33] <cjohnston> On the whiteboard, you can assign the work items to kubuntu-members.. thats fine
[15:34] <cjohnston> but to get it to show up on the "Team" page, and not just on the topic page, the entire blueprint (not the white board items) needs to be assigned to a member of kubuntu-dev or kubuntu-dev itself
[15:35] <apachelogger> cjohnston: sounds fair enough
[15:35] <apachelogger> (for now) :P
[15:35] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review  is assigned to David.. I don't know if he is a member of kubuntu-dev or not.. but anyone can have any of the work items
[15:35] <cjohnston> and anyone can edit them
[15:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger:  What packages will have Gluon rdepends?
[15:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:36] <apachelogger> why would I know?
[15:36]  * Quintasan investigates
[15:37]  * Quintasan goes apeshit over 500 errors on Wiki
[15:40]  * apachelogger goes apeshit over not booting quickstart board
[15:41]  * Quintasan goes apeshit over not having one
[15:41] <apachelogger> jussi: ping ping ping ping ping did you get yoru board to boot?
[15:42]  * apachelogger needs to order a rs-232 somewhere
[15:43] <cjohnston> i need to order my board
[15:43] <cjohnston> DarkwingDuck: ping
[15:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what board?
[15:44] <cjohnston> arm board I assumed is what he was referring to shadeslayer
[15:44] <shadeslayer> right, but which one? :D
[15:45] <apachelogger> freescale quickstart
[15:45] <shadeslayer> there are like a ton of them in the market
[15:45] <cjohnston> apachelogger: some of the blueprints are setup better.. now im getting emails with the errors on them instead of them just being ignored
[15:46] <shadeslayer> "The system is currently unavailable due to system upgrades. Access will be available on Saturday, June 11th, 2011 at 11:30 AM MST. "
[15:46] <shadeslayer> sigh
[16:00] <cjohnston> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624391/  is the current list of issues with the kubuntu blueprints formatting.. I only did about 5 blueprints though, so I'm sure there are more when someone cleans them up
[16:18] <ScottK> debfx: Will look at New.
[16:18] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[16:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: I thought the wiki was fine, so whatever you want on the work items.
[16:19] <ScottK> Maybe everyone should ping apachelogger at the same time.
[16:26] <ScottK> debfx: Why did you rename these sources?
[16:34] <debfx> ScottK: I've followed Debian
[16:35] <debfx> I'm not too happy with the name though, it couldn't be more generic
[16:37] <jussi> apachelogger: harald harald harald... I havent had  a moment spare to check. DOing first boot now :)
[16:38] <apachelogger> if it works plz dd your sd and upload/torrent to me
[16:40] <debfx> ScottK: that was about networkmanagement
[16:41] <apachelogger> jussi: it appears to properly init to the kbd, but that is about it, due to lack of rs 232 cable I also cannot say what the problem is
[16:41] <apachelogger> probably my linaro uboot is kaputt
[16:41] <ScottK> debfx: How about virtualbox then?
[16:41] <debfx> I've renamed virtualbox-ose to virtualbox because there is no OSE (Open Source Edition) anymore
[16:41] <ScottK> OK.
[16:43] <apachelogger> cjohnston: I'll have a look at them in a bit
[16:47] <cjohnston> ty
[16:53] <jussi> apachelogger: mine shows nothing on the screen :/
[16:53] <jussi> apachelogger: on monday Ill ask how its do be
[16:53] <jussi> done
[16:57] <ScottK> debfx: Do you have a fix for the armel/cmake issue?
[16:58] <apachelogger> jussi: did you use the microsd?
[16:58] <apachelogger> cause I figure it will only look on the microsd slot
[16:58] <jussi> apachelogger: yeah
[16:59] <apachelogger> jussi: keyboard plugged in?
[17:00] <apachelogger> cjohnston: desktop-o-kubuntu-accessibility in order and desktop-o-kubuntu-community too
[17:00] <cjohnston> sweet
[17:01] <cjohnston> so far up to 37 work items.. thats an improvement as its more than were there earlier
[17:02] <jussi> apachelogger: yup
[17:02] <apachelogger> ok, I had the same problem here
[17:03] <apachelogger> I'll get an rs 232 cable next week, otherwise this is pretty much undebugable
[17:03] <jussi> apachelogger: you know that you can get images from the freescale site? (see the "getting started" page of the instruction booklet)
[17:03] <cjohnston> apachelogger: i finished making them atleast all follow the right format (for any that i could tell had work items, some i wasnt sure if they did)... that just means ill get more error email until everything else gets fixed
[17:04] <apachelogger> cjohnston: is there a reason why community does not show up on the work items yet?
[17:04] <jussi> oh lol
[17:04] <jussi> freescale are doing system updates...
[17:04] <cjohnston> it updates at 33 after the hour
[17:04] <apachelogger> ok, thanks
[17:05] <apachelogger> jussi: I always liked TI better :P :P :P
[17:05] <jussi> apachelogger: sssh. I like freescale :)
[17:05] <cjohnston> actually apachelogger... its a problem thats above us..  I'll get it taken care of
[17:06] <apachelogger> jussi: trying to blindly set uboot env now :P
[17:06] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/80815
[17:06] <apachelogger> this ought to be fun
[17:06] <Quintasan> anyone can enlighten me how to deal with this?
[17:06] <Quintasan> the lib gets installed but somehow is not discovered by shlibs :S
[17:07] <apachelogger> or perhaps not :O
[17:07] <apachelogger> for some reasn it does not like the new rootfs I made :(
[17:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it is because it is in the same source package
[17:08] <apachelogger> so if shlibs tries to resolve one before the other it cannot find teh symbols
[17:08] <cjohnston> apachelogger: fwiw, if two people have the same task, [user1/user2] doesnt work.. needs to be two seperate lines
[17:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: urgh, how I am supposed to deal with it then?
[17:09] <apachelogger> cjohnston: now that is jolly ugly
[17:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: see kdelibs or workspace or kdebase
[17:09] <apachelogger> one of them applies magic
[17:10] <apachelogger> jussi: do you have sufficient bandwith to dd and image of your sd and send it somewhere
[17:10] <apachelogger> I am not quite sure the replication I did is working as the keyboard does apparently not get powa
[17:10] <jussi> apachelogger: Not really, Im on a 2/2 connection. However, I can try a little later tonight. also, im headed out ow, will grab a rs232 rom work and debug when I get home
[17:11] <apachelogger> oh, cool, ok o/
[17:12] <Quintasan> libpkgs_gen_strict_local_shlibs = $(libpkgs_all_packages)  ?
[17:15] <bulldog98> has someone time to do a merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.6.0/+merge/64306
[17:17] <debfx> ScottK: changing the regex to not hardcode any parts should work as a temporary fix
[17:18] <ScottK> debfx: If you could make a debdiff, I'd be glad to sponsor it, but I'm a bit distracted by $WORK to try and figure it out.
[17:18] <ScottK> bulldog98: Did the 4.4.11 merge from Debian get done?
[17:18] <ScottK> Nevermind.  I see it did.
[17:19]  * ScottK goes back to trying to figure things out.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> uhm
[17:24] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: dude, you're supposed to resolve the conflicts
[17:25] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: for eg. line 5
[17:30] <Quintasan> FFFFFFUUUUUU-
[17:35] <apachelogger> skaet: desktop-o-kubuntu-filesharing is not a dependency of topic-oneiric-kubuntu
[17:35] <apachelogger> thought it should be :)
[17:39] <apachelogger> Internal Server Error
[17:39] <apachelogger> woohoo
[17:39] <apachelogger> moinmoin--
[17:40] <Quintasan> god damn it
[17:40] <cjohnston> new error list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624449/
[17:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: this is some seriously well hidden magic
[17:41] <cjohnston> apachelogger: the wiki internal service errors were killing the status.u.c script :-/
[17:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, yes, of sorts, modularization will take care of those issues ;)
[17:43] <apachelogger> cjohnston: they are killing me too :S
[17:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well hidden as in I still can't find it
[17:43] <apachelogger> lol
[17:45] <Quintasan> FFS
[17:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I supposed the merge for the wrong branch sorry
[17:45] <Quintasan> Freescale has really bad support
[17:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what be the problem?
[17:52] <Quintasan> With Freescale or my package?
[17:52] <apachelogger> both I suppose
[17:53] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/80815
[17:53] <Quintasan> and I'm waiting like a whole week for a freaking payment confirmation form Freescale
[17:53] <Quintasan> So I can finally get my arrrrm board
[17:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there should be one *inside* the package
[17:55] <Quintasan> package - refers to Gluon magic
[17:55] <apachelogger> yeah, the freescale package I mean
[17:58] <apachelogger> cjohnston:
[17:58] <apachelogger> [JontheEchidna] Investigate splitting kwin stuff out from kdebase-workspace-bin: TODO
[17:58] <apachelogger>      - Requires communication with Debian
[17:58] <apachelogger> [JontheEchidna] Talk with upstream about reducing KDE dependencies of KWin: TODO
[17:58] <apachelogger> is that valid?
[18:06] <apachelogger> cjohnston: kwin-opengles done, mobile done, lightdm done, filesharing done, installer done, defaults done, council done
[18:15] <cjohnston> sweet apachelogger.. I'll let you know if I get any more emails with issues :-) Thanks for your help!
[18:20] <apachelogger> sure
[18:21] <yofel> meh, smokegen come without any COPYING or like file :S
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sorta valid
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kde-window-manager ships with the oxygen kwin style, which depends on liboxygenstyle in kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> so it's not really a problem with upstream, other than the unknown nature of liboxygenstyle's stability
[18:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I meant from a markup perspective ^^
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> though we have the Debian ABI manager magic this is less of an issue packaging-wise
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> I guess. Is this something for the charts? You'd probably know more about markup in that regard
[18:28] <cjohnston> up to 59 work items as of the last update.. thats much better
[18:28] <cjohnston> A new one will run in about 5 minutes
[18:35] <yofel> Ninjas: don't feel shy to take a package for 4.7. If we only do a package a day we won't finish this month...
[18:40] <mgraesslin> may I ask what "KDE dependencies" of KWin you are talking about?
[18:40] <cjohnston> apachelogger: JontheEchidna http://paste.ubuntu.com/624491/
[18:40] <cjohnston> Those need to be converted to the LP account
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin:
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> [13:24:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kde-window-manager ships with the oxygen kwin style, which depends on liboxygenstyle in kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> [13:25:02] <JontheEchidna> so it's not really a problem with upstream, other than the unknown nature of liboxygenstyle's stability
[18:42] <mgraesslin> an option would also to split out the oxygen decoration and make kwin depend on it
[18:43] <mgraesslin> I cannot say anothing about the stability of liboxygenstyle except that I would be a rich man if I would get 1 cent for each time oxygen broke my kwin build
[18:49] <ScottK> mgraesslin: In answer to your wayland question the other day, I understand we aren't close to actually doing a lot with it, so no rush on patches.  I do appreciate you asking.
[18:50] <mgraesslin> well currently we cannot do much with it, but I expect that we will be able to do something with it before feature freeze
[18:51] <mgraesslin> and it could be nice to give users something to play with
[18:51] <ScottK> mgraesslin: This is 4.8 feature freeze?
[18:51] <mgraesslin> no I mean Kubuntu feature freeze
[18:52] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:52] <mgraesslin> 4.8 will ship Wayland support
[18:52] <ScottK> When we get close, I guess we should see if there will be Ubuntu Wayland stuff for people to play with in this cycle.
[18:52] <mgraesslin> yeah
[18:53] <mgraesslin> I expect there will be packages for Wayland server and Mesa 7.11 will be packed
[18:53] <mgraesslin> also maybe Qt 4.8 with Wayland?
[18:53] <ScottK> We'll have 4.8.
[18:54] <ScottK> Dunno what it would need to have it support Wayland?
[18:54] <mgraesslin> maybe just a build flag
[18:54] <mgraesslin> Qt has Wayland support through the lighthouse project
[18:54] <mgraesslin> but I don't know whether it's part of 4.8 or still standalone
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> !info wayland oneiric
[19:09] <mgraesslin> sounds old
[19:09] <mgraesslin> newest code requires Mesa 7.11, so might be blocked by it
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> looks like they upgraded to the latest version that wouldn't require new mesa intentionally for last cycle
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> and it hasn't been updated since
[19:11] <mgraesslin> yeah I remember that there was something like that
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> there might be a newer version in the xorg-edgers ppa
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:13] <mgraesslin> and Wayland is only universe, so that would be a problem, too I expect
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, if things had to link against libwayland-client it would
[19:18] <mgraesslin> no, KWin has to link against libwayland-server
[19:18] <mgraesslin> but the Qt lighthouse port has to link against libwayland-client
[19:21] <apachelogger> jussi: it appears my sd image was kaputt
[19:22] <apachelogger> I replicated a new from scratch and it works now
[19:24]  * mgraesslin hasn't known "kaputt" is valid English
[19:25] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I think it's reasonably well known.
[19:26] <apachelogger> thanks to yiddish I believe
[19:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: google kaput wiktionary
[19:26] <kubotu> Results for kaput wiktionary: 1. kaput - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kaput | 2. Talk:kaput - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:kaput | 3. kaputt - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kaputt
[19:27]  * apachelogger likes how he can play 1080p on the quickstart board but not his atom netbook :P
[19:27]  * markey wonders why he gets mails like these:
[19:27] <markey> "[Merge] lp:~rohangarg/kdeedu/ubuntu into lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdeedu/ubuntu"
[19:28] <markey> who's Rohang Arg and what does he want from me?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> markey: launchpad sent that. At the bottom of the email it should tell you why
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> bottomish, at least before it shows the pach
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> "Your team Kubuntu Members is subscribed to branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdeedu/ubuntu."
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> somebody should probably switch that to kubuntu-packagers
[19:30] <shadeslayer> markey: Rohan Garg would be me xD
[19:30] <apachelogger> spamer!
[19:30] <markey> that's one funny name :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:31] <shadeslayer> markey: its quite common here
[19:32] <markey> where would that be? Middle Earth? :)
[19:32] <shadeslayer> markey: India ;)
[19:32] <markey> ah
[19:32] <markey> still better than Harald Sitter :p
[19:32] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> sitter = somebody who sits on things
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> e.g.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3bZsg5W60U
[19:38] <apachelogger> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/WTJbh.jpg
[19:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oooh
[19:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but ... its ... running GNOME
[19:40] <apachelogger> why yes, it comes with youbuntoo
[19:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you have to fix that now :)
[19:42] <apachelogger> oh shoot, i might have broken my image again
[19:42]  * apachelogger waves fist at dd
[19:47] <shadeslayer> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/include/libkleopatraclient/core/command.h': No such file or directory
[19:47] <shadeslayer> fooey
[19:49] <shadeslayer> but that file exsists :/
[19:58] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: kdepim?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: yes
[19:59] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: version?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> we have a patch called kubuntu_install_headers that should make that file installable
[19:59] <shadeslayer> 4.4.11
[20:02] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: that file is gone in kdepim 4.6
[20:02] <shadeslayer> probably
[20:02] <shadeslayer> !find command.h natty
[20:03] <shadeslayer> @_@
[20:08] <cpatrick08> i was wondering what the status of kde 4.7 beta was
[20:12] <shadeslayer> cpatrick08: have a look at the topic ;)
[20:44] <cjohnston> cd /31
[20:44] <cjohnston> uggh
[21:50] <cjohnston> Hey guys.. The Documentation BP still needs work :-) thats the only one I am getting errors about
[21:58] <shadeslayer> anyone around to help figure out why libkleoclient/core isn't built in the new KDE PIM ?
[22:06] <sheytan> apachelogger ping
[22:06] <sheytan> Quintasan: pong
[22:06] <Riddell> curious e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/80935/
[22:06] <Riddell> warning, it's in French which is worse than mine
[22:06] <Quintasan> sheytan: business cards
[22:06] <Quintasan> :P
[22:06] <Riddell> he's also been texting me
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: google translate makes no sense of it
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how goes it @ bzr
[22:09] <sheytan> Quintasan: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5ftwo0
[22:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you have a look at kdepim if you're free?
[22:10] <Quintasan> I am not free
[22:10] <shadeslayer> ah well
[22:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they're all so elite!
[22:10] <bambee_>  "evening my name is GALVANY, I am living  at << kinshasa ville province de
[22:10] <bambee_> REPUBLIQUE DEMOCRATIQUE DU CONGO>>, I need your help to understand and to exploit your operating system..."
[22:10] <shadeslayer> lolwat
[22:10] <bambee_> I don't understand the other part o_O
[22:11] <shadeslayer> did he really say exploit? :D
[22:11] <bambee_> système d'exploitation = operating system in french
[22:11] <bambee_> :)
[22:12] <bambee_> exploiter = exploit
[22:12] <bambee_> découvrir = discover
[22:12] <bambee_> or understand in this sentence
[22:14] <bambee_> this email does not make sense o_O
[22:22] <sheytan> apachelogger i had another vision for lightdm, get ready
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: any specific errors? I cleaned up quite a few of the nicks earlier
[22:34]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[22:34] <Quintasan> good night
[22:35] <yofel> gn
[22:41] <valorie> sweet dreams Quintasan
[22:51] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/624666/ is the email i just got 10 minutes ago
[22:57] <bambee_> 'night
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: thanks, I think I got all of them
[23:02] <cjohnston> sweet.. I'll let you know in an hour or so
[23:02] <cjohnston> ty
[23:02] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: that one long url, could you use goo.gl and shorten it by chance?
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: done
[23:04] <afiestas> Question to kde-hardware-mailist: Can we say that we support NM0.9?
[23:04] <afiestas> answer: > 	Yes, nm09 branch supports everything that the master branch does now.
[23:04] <afiestas> ping me when I can test it with ubuntu packages
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: btw, is there a way we can nudge the burndown line up a bit, since the first few days have inaccurate counts?
[23:05] <yofel> debfx uploaded a snapshot of the nm0.9 branch to oneiric (and experimental PPA)
[23:06] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: you mean the trend line?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: yeah
[23:07] <cjohnston> tell me where you want it set to and I'll make it happen
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> cjohnston: It looks like if the highest point was 49 it would be a more accurate representation of what needs to be done
[23:09] <cjohnston> JontheEchidna: lets wait until after the next run (it starts at 33 after) and see where it goes prior to updating it?
[23:09] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:56] <sheytan> apachelogger ping ping ping
[23:56] <sheytan> fire ping
[23:56] <sheytan> call 911
[23:57] <valorie> isn't that 000 in Europe?
[23:57] <valorie> I thought we were the only ones with the inane 911
[23:57] <valorie> "hello operator, can you tell me the number for 911?"
[23:57] <valorie> - Homer Simpson
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> 112, iirc
[23:58] <valorie> seems like apachelogger would be in bed, or out partying
[23:58] <valorie> if my time-sense has returned
[23:59] <yofel> about right
[23:59] <yofel> it is 112 here in germany, not sure about austria
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> 112 is the whole EU
[23:59] <yofel> good :D


[18:45] <zaki> pavlushka, successfully recovered all partition with all data
[18:53] <pavlushka> zaki: yay


[03:10] <barry-away> dang.  sorry folks
[03:10] <jml> hi
[03:11] <barry> hi.  got caught up putting max to bed
[03:11] <mwhudson> oh, hi
[03:11] <barry> #startmeeting
[03:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:11. The chair is barry.
[03:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[03:11] <thumper> barry: I know what it's like
[03:11] <barry> thumper: yeah ;)
[03:12] <barry> so... welcome to this week's asiapac reviewer's meeting.  who's here today?
[03:12]  * mwhudson is here
[03:12] <jml> hi
[03:12] <thumper> me
[03:12] <thumper> jamesh: ?
[03:13] <barry> spiv:
[03:13] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[03:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[03:14] <barry> * Roll call
[03:14] <barry>  * Next meeting
[03:14] <barry>  * Action items
[03:14] <barry>  * Queue status
[03:14] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[03:14] <barry>  * Review process
[03:14] <barry> [TOPIC] next meeting
[03:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[03:14] <barry> same time and place?
[03:14] <jml> syes.
[03:14] <thumper> yes
[03:15]  * barry will be sure to get his son to be earlier ;)
[03:15] <mwhudson> fine with me
[03:15] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Action items
[03:15] <thumper> barry: you can't promise that...
[03:15] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Action items
[03:15] <barry> thumper: yeah.  you never know what's gonna come up
[03:15] <barry>  * (continued) thumper to report on pending-reviews killer in LP
[03:15] <thumper> still continued
[03:16] <barry> okie dokie
[03:16] <jamesh> hi
[03:16] <barry> jamesh: hi
[03:16] <barry> [TOPIC] queue status
[03:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  queue status
[03:17] <spiv> I'm here
[03:17] <barry> i had to assign 12 branches after my shift
[03:17] <barry> spiv: hi
[03:17] <mwhudson> ow, that's pretty heavy
[03:17] <barry> we have three mentorees so i gave each of them 4 branches :)
[03:17] <barry> but it did seem like a pretty busy monday
[03:18] <thumper> barry: that was nice of you
[03:18]  * barry is a nice guy
[03:18] <barry> thumper: i'm sure you saw the email, at least i gave them an out
[03:19] <barry> looking at pending-reviews, stub has many pink branches.  i guess the db opens soon, right?
[03:19] <thumper> barry: it should have been open on last friday
[03:19] <thumper> but didn't happen
[03:20] <thumper> Rinchen is chasing
[03:20] <barry> because of the cherry picks?
[03:20] <thumper> no idea why
[03:20] <barry> i'm betting that's it
[03:20] <barry> 1.2.3  the release that would not die
[03:20] <barry> though it nearly killed us
[03:21] <thumper> well, nearly killed you
[03:21] <thumper> I was fine
[03:21] <barry> yeah.  i need a vacation now :)
[03:21] <jml> oh that reminds me.
[03:21] <barry> jamesh: you still have stub's long lived testsuite2 branch, right?
[03:21] <jml> I won't be at the next reviewer meeting :)
[03:22] <jamesh> barry: yep.  I'll finish it off today
[03:22] <barry> jml: be sure to add your apologies to the page
[03:22] <barry> jamesh: rock on!
[03:22] <jml> barry: will do.
[03:22] <barry> jml: thanks
[03:22] <barry> anything else on the queue?
[03:23] <thumper> not from me
[03:23] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[03:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentoring update
[03:23] <barry> nothing here i'm sure...
[03:23] <mwhudson> n/a
[03:24] <barry> [TOPIC] review process
[03:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  review process
[03:24] <barry> the only thing i wanted to mention here was the new rejection policy.  did everybody see that?
[03:24] <thumper> nope
[03:25]  * thumper doesn't scan the reviewer email list as completely as he probably should
[03:25] <barry> thumper: so we got rid of the rejection queue on PR.  now, you can still reject a branch (e.g. becuase you don't have time), but we're now saying you should just put the branch back on the general queue, at the top, with a reason note
[03:25] <jml> oh yeah. that's a good idea.
[03:25] <thumper> ok
[03:25] <barry> and it will just get reassigned in the normal process
[03:26] <barry> that's really all i've got.  anything from y'all?
[03:26] <jml> barry: also, I saw that there was a discussion about formatting multi-line sequences.
[03:26] <jml> barry: what was the resolution
[03:26] <barry> jml: yes.  i haven't caught up on that thread, but i know what /i/ would favor!
[03:26] <barry> jml: we'll try to make a decision in the next day or two
[03:26] <thumper> barry: FWIW I like yours best
[03:26] <jml> barry: I'm ignoring the thread, because I personally advocate darkslategray.bikeshed.org
[03:26] <barry> thumper: thanks
[03:27] <jml> barry: but I'd appreciate it if you'd let us know when it is resolved :)
[03:28] <barry> jml: make that mediumorchid.bikeshed.org
[03:28] <barry> jml: will do!
[03:28] <barry> okay, floor is open.  do you have anything for me, or for ameu?
[03:28] <thumper> nothing from me
[03:29] <jml> nothing from me
[03:29] <spiv> Not from me.
[03:29] <jml> (unless you think we should start a discussion to give methods and functions the same naming convention ;))
[03:30] <barry> jml: well, you already know my stance on that!  <cough>pep 8</cough>
[03:30] <barry> but one painted bikeshed per week please :)
[03:30] <jml> sure.
[03:30] <jamesh> I got caught out last time they had the method naming convention discussion
[03:30] <spiv> (co-incidentally, http://pep8.bikeshed.org/ gives you a random colour...)
[03:30] <thumper> spiv: lol
[03:30] <jamesh> first people decided to go with pep 8 so I update my code, next day they switch back to camel case
[03:31] <barry> zope don't need to stinkin' peps
[03:31] <jml> jamesh: that would have been some time ago
[03:31] <jamesh> barry: perhaps you could update PEP 8 to say something like "when in doubt consult barry" to the end
[03:31] <jamesh> jml: yes.  It might have been pre-bzr
[03:32] <barry> jamesh: you know there's only one true style guide:  * (continued) thumper to report on pending-reviews killer in LP
[03:32] <barry> urg!  fscking hardy broken control key!
[03:32] <barry> http://barry.warsaw.us/software/STYLEGUIDE.txt
[03:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://barry.warsaw.us/software/STYLEGUIDE.txt
[03:32] <thumper> hah
[03:32] <barry> (although it needs a update)
[03:33] <barry> anyway...
[03:33] <barry> #endmeeting
[03:33] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 04:33.
[03:33] <barry> thanks everyone!
[03:33] <thumper> thanks barry


[15:11] <brousch> Error 503 Backend is unhealthy https://www.python.org/
[15:11] <brousch> Is Python died?!
[15:26] <cmaloney> Yep, no more python
[15:27] <mthx|laptop_> brousch: Works for me.
[15:27] <brousch> ah, it's back
[18:03] <cmaloney> I love my customers... I love my customers...
[18:03] <cmaloney> Attachment: View Month Screenshot.docx (123 KB)
[18:04] <brousch> What? they didn't zip it for you?!
[18:04] <cmaloney> It's a screenshot. In a .docx file
[18:05] <brousch> I was trying to go one level of stupid farther
[18:06] <cmaloney> It doesn't need any help, tx. :)
[18:06] <cmaloney> Though I can completely understand why they do it
[18:06] <cmaloney> print screen : creates screen in copy / paste buffer
[18:06] <cmaloney> Word: nice and easy copy / paste recipient
[18:07] <cmaloney> Paint: An ugly relic that nobody uses
[18:08] <cmaloney> If Paint were something that didn't look like a dog's breakfast and didn't require thought on saving images it might be used more for screenshots
[18:08] <cmaloney> Oh God, I opened paint under Windows 7
[18:08] <cmaloney> They have succeeded in making Paint worse.
[18:09] <brousch> Paint is not as ugly in win7
[18:09] <brousch> It has a ribbon!
[18:09] <cmaloney> I fucking hate ribbon interfaces
[18:13] <brousch> Hm, they have a tool in Windows now: snipping
[18:13] <brousch> Not bad, except you have to search for it
[19:34] <cmaloney> http://www.theonion.com/articles/health-experts-recommend-standing-up-at-desk-leavi,37957/
[19:54] <mthx|laptop> cmaloney: Thats priceless.
[19:54] <mthx|laptop> Think I might have to send that to my Fiancee', who happens to work at Mayo Clinic in Rochester :)
[21:26] <jrwren> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/the-first-ubuntu-phone-will-finally-go-on-sale-next-week/
[21:27] <cmaloney> WE KNOW. :)
[21:31] <brousch> The Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition has a 4.5-inch 960x540 display
[21:31] <brousch> weak
[21:33] <brousch> jrwren: Will Shuttleworth make you all switch?
[21:42] <jrwren> brousch: surely not.
[21:42] <jrwren> brousch: although, I would if I could.
[21:42] <brousch> Surely you have connections who could get one for you
[21:43] <jrwren> /I/ don't.
[21:43] <jrwren> i don't know anyone.
[21:44] <brousch> Email popey
[21:44] <jrwren> who?
[21:45] <cmaloney> Alan Pope
[21:45] <brousch> https://twitter.com/popey
[21:46] <brousch> It's interesting how large and sprawling Canonical has become
[21:47] <brousch> It's almost a mini-google now
[22:00] <jrwren> I don't know him.
[22:00] <jrwren> google is what? 80,000 people?   canonical is 600.
[22:01] <brousch> See, mini
[22:02] <cmaloney> That's an order of magnitude mini
[22:14] <jrwren> its a real bummer development on stuff like this stopped: http://www.virtualgl.org/About/TigerVNC
[22:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, unfortunately I think RDP kicked VNC's ass
[22:16] <jrwren> nevermind... i see in teh SVN, its actively developed.
[22:16] <jrwren> cmaloney: yet the linux story tehre is pretty poor, for no good reason, IMO
[22:16] <jrwren> or maybe the reason is that there is no money in it.
[22:16] <cmaloney> yeah, sadly I'm pretty entrenched in RDP
[22:16] <cmaloney> VirtualBox
[22:23] <akelling> wish spice could be more like RDP
[22:28] <jrwren> is spice used outside of server config and openstack?