[01:57] <Floorduck> Hi, I'm a new-to-linux user who has just installed Lubuntu on his laptop. Everything seems to be working, but am I missing something? Is configuration required for my specfic hardware?
[01:57] <Cheapshot> Floorduck Not if everything seems to be working
[01:58] <Fersure> ^
[02:02] <Floorduck> Okay, so there isn't any routine configuration process that I have to go through; good.
[02:02] <Floorduck> I've noticed that the internet is a bit slow, though :l
[02:03] <Cheapshot> have you installed all the updates?
[02:03] <Floorduck> I frequently get 137 errors on chromium.
[02:04] <Floorduck> I completed the updates when prompted.
[02:04] <Floorduck> I have no clue what I'm doing, though, so maybe you're referring to something else. Sorry...
[02:06] <Cheapshot> what kind of computer are you running?
[02:08] <Floorduck> An msi laptop. I'll find the specs in a moment; one sec.
[02:11] <Floorduck> This is the laptop: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152354CVF
[02:14] <Cheapshot> does the wifi connection keep disconnecting?
[02:17] <Floorduck> I'm not sure. The connection has been at 70% every time I've checked. Even when I get that error I think it's still connected...
[02:18] <Floorduck> It also gets really slow without giving me the error...
[02:18] <Cheapshot> just the browsing or is everything else slow?
[02:19] <Floorduck> Just the browsing.
[02:20] <Cheapshot> www.speedtest.net
[02:21] <Floorduck> Haha... I don't think I have flash of javascript :(
[02:21] <Floorduck> or*
[02:21] <Cheapshot> ah
[02:22]  * Fersure always tends to install the lubuntu-restricted-extras package after a fresh install.
[02:22]  * Floorduck is 12 and what is this
[02:23] <Floorduck> I don't have a clue what I'm doing :p
[02:23] <Fersure> Floorduck: Open up a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:23] <Fersure> that will install flash, some fonts and such
[02:24] <Cheapshot> to open terminal press ctrl + alt + t
[02:24] <Fersure> ^also this
[02:25] <Floorduck> it says unable to locate package
[02:25] <Fersure> try doing: sudo apt-get update
[02:25] <Cheapshot> type sudo apt-get update
[02:25] <Floorduck> typo... sorry -_-
[02:26] <Fersure> snap.
[02:26] <Floorduck> Okay now it's doing things.
[02:27] <Cheapshot> when people help here almost everything is trough terminal so get used to it :D
[02:28] <Cheapshot> you can also use GUI to do most of the things but its just simpler to advice trough terminal and commands
[02:28] <Floorduck> I'd rather get used to the terminal anyway
[02:29] <Floorduck> I don't want to be entirely computer illiterate forever xD
[02:30] <Cheapshot> you can use tab to fill rest of the commands on terminal
[02:30] <Cheapshot> just as tip
[02:30] <Floorduck> Okay... I can type commands again... does that mean it's done?
[02:30] <Cheapshot> yes its done
[02:30] <Cheapshot> also do sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:30] <Floorduck> just as I said that it notified me that the flash plugin was installed >.>
[02:30] <Floorduck> what's that do?
[02:31] <Cheapshot> that will install all the latest updates
[02:31] <Cheapshot> if there is any
[02:31] <Floorduck> okay
[02:31] <Floorduck> its apparently still doing stuff
[02:32] <Floorduck> Let me configure pidgin on the laptop so I can paste output...
[02:33] <Cheapshot> !paste
[02:33] <Cheapshot> easier and doesnt flood the channel
[02:36] <Floorduck> of course
[02:37] <Floorduck> Do I need to disconnect on this client to access the server on the other?
[02:37] <Cheapshot> what client are you using?
[02:38] <Floorduck> pidgin
[02:38] <Cheapshot> No you can connect with another client also, just the name cannot be same :)
[02:48] <Floorduck> its irc.freenode.net, right?
[02:48] <Floorduck> it says error resolving irc.freenode.net
[02:50] <Cheapshot> yes
[02:50] <Cheapshot> does it say anything else?
[02:50] <Floorduck> temporary failure in name resolution
[02:58] <Cheapshot> maybe try one of these http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[03:06] <Floorduck2> okay it worked :)
[03:08] <Floorduck> It says "idconfig deferred processing now taking place"
[03:09] <Floorduck> but I cant tell if its doing anything
[03:11] <Floorduck> It's telling me that it failed to download extra files. "ttf-mscore-fonts-installer" is the package name.
[03:11] <Cheapshot> ah
[03:11] <Floorduck> it gave me that before and I chose "try again"
[03:11] <Floorduck> and I got the same message
[03:16] <Cheapshot> that comes when you do the restricted-extras?
[03:18] <Cheapshot> check that you dont have update manager running
[03:18] <Cheapshot> or synaptic package manager
[03:25] <Floorduck> its just one package
[03:26] <Floorduck> ttf-mscorefonts-installer "requested additional data downloads after package installation but the data could not be downloaded or processed
[03:31] <Floorduck> Is there any way to check the degree of completion
[03:31] <Floorduck> of that installer package?
[03:31] <Floorduck> I think it finished and I closed it, but now im worried that other things were left unfinished as well.
[03:32] <Cheapshot> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[03:33] <Cheapshot> and you can always just sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras  again, it will install whats missing, if any
[03:34] <Floorduck> is it intelligent enough to know what I've already installer?
[03:34] <Floorduck> installed*
[03:35] <Cheapshot> yes
[03:35] <Cheapshot> you cant install the same thing twice
[03:43] <Floorduck> okay so it says its all done
[03:43] <Floorduck> my internet is still inconsistent at best
[03:44] <Floorduck> I even tried the speed test and I got a latency error from it
[03:44] <Floorduck> and then a 137 error from chromium
[03:44] <Floorduck> I checked the wireless icon in the toolbar and the wireless was still working, apparently ;l
[03:45] <Cheapshot> is it possible to try it with a wired connection if its still slow
[03:45] <Cheapshot> and you could try installing a different browser and test it with it
[03:45] <Floorduck> flash is working now, though
[03:45] <Floorduck> thanks for that
[03:46] <Floorduck> I think tested a wired conenction makes the most sense from a diagnostic perspective
[03:46] <Floorduck> but its not the most convenient option :P
[03:46] <Cheapshot> sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:47] <Floorduck> do programs leave config/system files when they're uninstalled like some windows programs do?
[03:47] <Cheapshot> usually they shouldnt
[03:48] <Floorduck> I've noticed my windows machines get slower over time
[03:48] <Cheapshot> you can uninstall a program or a packet by sudo apt-get remove "packetname"
[03:48] <Floorduck> I often do a fresh install to combat that :l
[03:48] <Cheapshot> try the firefox though
[03:48] <Floorduck> it's installing
[03:54] <Cheapshot> type iwconfig on terminal and check what it says on bit rate=
[04:12] <Floorduck> 1Mb/s
[04:13] <Cheapshot> well there is your problem
[04:13] <Cheapshot> gues its somekind of driver issue for the wireless
[04:14] <Cheapshot> type  lspci -nn | grep 0280
[04:27] <Floorduck> is that an l
[04:28] <Floorduck> or a | ?
[04:28] <Floorduck> or an I?
[04:28] <Cheapshot> |
[04:28] <Floorduck> i L or |?
[04:28] <Floorduck> sorry :P
[04:28] <Cheapshot> not i not L
[04:28] <Cheapshot> just a line
[04:30] <TheMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar
[04:45] <Floorduck> it said symtax error newar unexpected token: "|"
[04:46] <Floorduck> I was writing the first l as |, my mistake.
[04:47] <Floorduck> It says: "03:00.0 Newtork controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [8086:008a] (rev 34)"
[04:58] <Cheapshot> try this         cat /etc/modprobe.d/iwlagn.conf options iwlagn 11n_disable50=1 11n_disable=1
[05:03] <Floorduck> no such file or directory
[05:05] <Cheapshot> try if this helps sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
[05:06] <Floorduck> I can see the PCB under my keyboard... I wonder if thats bad... anyway
[05:06] <Floorduck> I did that, ill try the internet now
[05:07] <Cheapshot> yeah it should take off the powersave from the wifi
[05:08] <Floorduck> surely having powersave mode on
[05:08] <Floorduck> should not be so detrimental to the internet performance
[05:08] <Floorduck> that I can't even access websites
[05:08] <Floorduck> I don't understand :l
[05:08] <Cheapshot> its a bug on some wifi cards
[05:08] <Cheapshot> that it keeps turning it off time to time
[05:09] <Floorduck> Well it's lagging :(
[05:09] <Floorduck> It worked perfectly and youtube loaded in a second...
[05:09] <Floorduck> and then when i typed in search terms and pressed enter it got stuck...
[05:12] <Floorduck> should I reenable it?
[05:12] <Cheapshot> yeah you can
[05:14] <Floorduck> how do I do that?
[05:14] <Floorduck> same command but with 1s?
[05:14] <Cheapshot> same command but "power on"
[05:15] <Floorduck> disable50=1 and disable=1 instead?
[05:15] <Floorduck> oh
[05:15] <Floorduck> Whoops, reading from the wrong thing.
[05:15] <Floorduck> I'm tired.. aha :l
[05:23] <Floorduck> any other ideas at this point in time? before testing wired?
[05:25] <Cheapshot> well im pretty sure its the wifi drivers wich are causing it to have a problem but dont know howto fix it. Maybe you should ask in #ubuntu if anyone there knew
[05:26] <Cheapshot> just remember to give the model of the laptop and the model of the wifi = Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030
[05:27] <Floorduck> is it okay to give them the newegg link?
[05:27] <Floorduck> or will they frown and shake their heads in disapproval
[05:27] <Floorduck> virtually speaking
[05:27] <Cheapshot> MSI X Series X460DX-423US for model is enough
[05:28] <Floorduck> alright thanks a lot
[08:54] <joosep10> .
[15:16] <Ascavasaion> I am running an old AMD 2500+ XP, 384Mb RAM, with 20Gb, 60Gb and 20Gb HDDs.  What is the best Filesystem to format to... ext 3 or 4?
[15:19] <bioterror> depends
[15:19] <bioterror> EXT4 is the golden path
[15:19] <bioterror> if you want different kind of performance for different kind of stuff, then it depends if you want XFS/JFS or ReiserFS
[15:20] <bioterror> XFS is my favourite for huge files ;)
[15:21] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Thank you, ext4 it is :)
[17:10] <Ascavasaion> HOw do I get Chromium to open Transmission torrent programme when I open a link.  It is popping up a window warning me that it may be an attack.  It asks me to continue or not and when I say yes it opens another Chromium instance and goes to my default homepage.  And not Transmission.
[17:42] <Ascavasaion> Cheapshot: Having fun? :)
[17:42] <Cheapshot> ?
[17:43] <Ascavasaion> Just pulling you leg about your joins and quits.  No hard feelings. :)
[17:43] <Cheapshot> yeah configuring hexchat :), but I think i finally got it to work
[17:44] <Unit193> Is that in quantal repos yet?
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> !info hexchat quantal
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> !info xchat quantal
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> ... lol?
[17:47] <Cheapshot> Sometimes I venture to windows ^^
[17:48] <zleap> same here
[17:49] <Unit193> Understandable, it does build in linux too though, that's why I asked.  May want to set your server pass as nick:pass though. ;)
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> afaict its still xchat, Unit193, in linux
[17:49] <Unit193> TheLordOfTime: Hexchat isn't xchat, it is a renamed xchat-wdk.
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> Unit193, indeed :p
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> Unit193, same difference? :P
[17:49] <Unit193> Anywho, bit offtopic...
[17:49]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[17:52] <Cheapshot> Unit193,  servers pass?
[17:53] <Unit193> hexchat has a server password field in the network list, this should make it so you are identified faster and even if using an alternick (in case this is already in use)
[17:55] <Cheapshot> Unit193, how does that differ from the nickserv pass?
[17:56] <Unit193> Should send it before you join channels as it sends it when connecting to the server rather than after.
[17:57] <Cheapshot> k, gotta do it
[17:57] <Ascavasaion> HOw do I get Chromium to open Transmission torrent programme when I open a link.  It is popping up a window warning me that it may be an attack.  It asks me to continue or not and when I say yes it opens another Chromium instance and goes to my default homepage.  And not Transmission.
[18:01] <Unit193> Ascavasaion: Tried something like http://askubuntu.com/questions/44849/how-to-configure-chrome-to-open-magnet-urls-with-deluge ?
[18:09] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Trying it right now.
[18:10] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Well, if that works then I do not know how to do it hehe  Still nothing.
[18:10] <Unit193> Ascavasaion: Changed from deluge to transmission and from magnet to torrent?
[18:14] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Which solution there?  Seems like there are many different options.
[18:16] <Unit193> Normally you'd go for the top one, but as I nither use Chromium or transmission, harder to check what the .desktop files with them have already...
[18:19] <Ascavasaion> I am not using Deluge though.
[18:19] <Ascavasaion> What torrent softare would you say has the most features and nicest to use then?
[18:19] <Ascavasaion> Obviously a Lubuntu one :)
[18:23] <TheLordOfTime> "most features"?
[18:23] <TheLordOfTime> "nicest to use"?
[18:23] <TheLordOfTime> the second part is subjective
[18:23] <TheLordOfTime> as for "most features", not sure why you'd want tons of features for torrents :/
[18:24] <bioterror> rtorrent
[18:25] <bioterror> but honestly transmission-gtk is my weapon of choice, becouse it has a working web-ui
[18:25] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Point taken :)
[18:26] <bioterror> I might be at work, at my parents, at in-law's and I can put tv show for download ;)
[18:26] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Yes, but I cannot get Chromium magnet links to open in Transmission
[18:26] <bioterror> or ubuntu release
[18:27] <bioterror> that's a xdg problem
[18:31] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, /usr/share/applications/transmission-gtk.desktop
[18:31] <bioterror> check that one
[18:31] <bioterror> if you have following line
[18:31] <bioterror> MimeType=application/x-bittorrent;x-scheme-handler/magnet;
[18:33] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: That line is already there.
[18:34] <bioterror> also: Exec=transmission-gtk %U
[18:34] <bioterror> with the %U?
[18:35] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: yes
[18:35] <bioterror> good
[18:35] <bioterror> http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2012/01/24/open-magnet-urls-with-xdg-open/
[18:45] <Ascavasaion> Okay done... let's see... opening Chromium.
[18:45]  * bioterror holds his breath and crosses fingers
[18:53] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Naaah, never worked.
[18:55] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: I changed both the home/joel/bin copy AND the /usr/bin one.  Neither one worked.  I restarted Chromium each time.
[19:12] <Ascavasaion> Hell but this is frustrating
[19:12] <Ascavasaion> Yes!!!  Got it!!!
[19:17] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: If you want to know what eventually worked... this http://www.foresightlinux.se/make-chromium-or-chrome-to-open-magnet-links-in-lxde/
[19:39] <Ascavasaion> HOw would one add shortcuts like Documents, Downloads, etc. to the bottom of PCManFM's side pane?  Like Nautilus has.
[19:41] <bioterror> you can add bookmarks :-)
[19:42] <Ascavasaion> WOW, so simple?  Awesome!  Thank you.  I am falling in love with this Lubuntu woman :)
[19:43] <bioterror> it's more like tom of finland kind of guy! ;)
[19:44] <Ascavasaion> huh?
[19:46] <Ascavasaion> You lost me with that one.
[20:18] <battle> where should I install matlab to?
[21:17] <mrojas6996> hello I need your help
[21:17] <bioterror> mrojas6996, tell us more
[21:17] <bioterror> then we might help you
[21:18] <mrojas6996> very well, I have a EPSON LX-810L Dot Matrix Printer, and i'm experimented problems with the print
[21:18] <mrojas6996> for example, the Ubuntu's print test page, is printed with draft, NQL and good quality
[21:19] <mrojas6996> but documents made in LibreOffice Writer, is printed without draft, and NQL and very horrible
[21:19] <mrojas6996> the print with libreoffice is a disaster
[21:20] <mrojas6996> What can it be?
[21:21] <mrojas6996> my english is experimental, jeje, sorry!
[21:21] <bioterror> your english is good, but I have no idea what could be wrong with the prints
[21:21] <mrojas6996> the printer is connected with a Centronics-to-USB adapter cable
[21:22] <bioterror> but I have to flee to bed, it's 00:22 and I have to get up in about 5 hours ;)
[21:22] <bioterror> maybe someone with printer can test your document, for example?
[21:22] <bioterror> my printer is atm. at my parents. I'll get it back soon
[21:25] <mrojas6996> Ok, thanks anyway
[21:27] <kanliot> what's best way to determine if a user has pulseaudio running?  pgrep -l pulse, or run pavucontrol to see if installed?
[21:28] <Sentynel> kanliot: pavucontrol doesn't have to be installed for pulseaudio to work. checking for the pulse process is probably the best bet
[21:29] <kanliot> so the pgrep -l pulse is good?
[21:29] <Sentynel> yeah
[21:30] <kanliot> thx :)
[21:30] <kanliot> gonna add it to the wiki now
[23:29] <battlehands> what directory should I install matlab to?


[03:35] <HomerJSimpson> HI ^_^ LETS CHAT WITHOUT BANNING ME
[03:35] <HomerJSimpson> !OPS
[03:35] <HomerJSimpson> HI ^_^ LETS CHAT WITHOUT BANNING ME
[03:36] <HomerJSimpson> HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
[03:36] <elky> mutes are not bans per se...
[03:39] <elky> the individual agrees that their irc client can join other networks.
[03:40] <elky> so some poor random network is going to inherit that drunken user, but i don't care much since it's not my problem there :D
[20:47] <IdleOne> gustav_ doesn't seem to want any supportm more interested in arguing with the people who are trying to help.
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Indeed.
[21:02]  * Pici wonders where this is going
[21:03] <IdleOne> I don't know but it promises to be interesting
[23:48] <HomerJSimpson> did hitler save the jews from the holocaust?
[23:49] <HomerJSimpson> !ops
[23:49] <Myrtti> aren't you a bit predictable?
[23:50] <topyli> thanks Pici
[23:50] <iampredictable> yes I am predictable
[23:50] <iampredictable> now ban me
[23:50] <iampredictable> I will stay here all night until tomorrow until I am banned
[23:51] <topyli> that's ok
[23:51] <iampredictable> a ban coming?
[23:51] <iampredictable> ^_^
[23:51] <topyli> @login
[23:51] <iampredictable> yay
[23:51] <iampredictable> @login
[23:51] <iampredictable> ban me
[23:52] <topyli> go away
[23:52] <iampredictable> but I am staying here all night until 1159PM EST until I am banned
[23:52] <topyli> i see
[23:52] <iampredictable> i know it annoys you guys haha
[23:52]  * Myrtti lights the camp fire
[23:53] <Myrtti> topyli: want some marshmellows?
[23:53] <topyli> thanks :)
[23:53] <Myrtti> I've got sausages too
[23:53] <Myrtti> kumbaya...
[23:53]  * topyli takes out the guitar
[23:54] <topyli> for the record, i have them in pm, ignored of course


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[05:04] <hblount> hi. how do i change the time format so the seconds arent displayed?
[07:56] <bioterror> stalane: create yourself a user
[07:56] <stalane> bioterror, how do i do that?
[07:57] <bioterror> I dunno, but you're ircing as a root
[07:57] <stalane> bioterror, i am root
[07:57] <stalane> bioterror, running lupu510
[07:58] <bioterror> I cant understand why this network allows people to connect with root username
[07:58] <stalane> bioterror, does this channel get busy?
[07:58] <bioterror> 09:57 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.elisa.fi established
[07:58] <bioterror> 09:57 -!- Please wait while we process your connection.
[07:58] <bioterror> 09:58 -!- You (~root@*) are banned from this server: You may not enter as root on this server
[07:58] <bioterror> 09:58 -!- ERROR Closing Link<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(K-lined: You may not enter as root on this server)
[08:02] <bioterror> that's how it should be done
[08:17] <johnnyw> quit
[10:01] <jussi> PUKEMON: ++
[10:01] <PUKEMON> ;D
[10:01] <PUKEMON> jussi, you mean that freenode should have *!*root@* k-lined?-)
[10:01] <jussi> yup...
[10:01] <PUKEMON> abso ... lutely
[10:02] <jussi> but its way too much work for staff thouhg...
[12:22] <leszek> hi
[16:23] <hblount> hi. how do i make a shortcut/link?
[16:23] <Yorvyk> hblount,  hi
[16:24] <Yorvyk> hblount, what exactly are you try to do?
[16:25] <hblount> i want to make a shortcut for a game i got
[16:25] <hblount> put in taskbar or desktop
[16:26] <Yorvyk> hblount, you have to make a .desktop file in the desktop folder
[16:29] <hblount> ok. then what?
[16:33] <Yorvyk> hblount, It needs to look something like http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/k6wL45id
[18:06] <bittin> computer porn: http://shuffling.se/forum/index.php?topic=497.msg24190#msg24190
[18:29] <haddiman> How can I search a directory? I need to find files that have a certain phrase anywhere in there name. PCmanFM doesn't seem to have built in search functions.  I'm a newb.
[18:39] <phillw> haddiman: I use the terminal to do that sort of thing.
[18:39] <haddiman> ahh
[18:40] <haddiman> I just downloaded a program called searchmonkey which did the job. I should probably buff up my command line skills and learn how to properly use "find" and all that.
[18:40] <phillw> if you start lxterminal and cd to the directory then issue 'grep word *' (without the ''s)
[18:41] <phillw> where word is what you want
[18:41] <haddiman> Thanks


[11:12] <nmorse> where it is now, I have no idea
[11:12] <nmorse> and I hate apt-pinning
[11:12] <Seveas> omv0, journalling and searching are not related
[11:13] <transgress> i'm so loving this rio karma
[11:13] <omv0> oh.. for some reason i thought journaling meant storing in DB
[11:13] <eyequeue> omv0:  if you were going to install a web server, i'd probably recommend reiserfs, due to the many mall files in a directory concept
[11:13] <eyequeue> s/mall/small/
[11:14] <omv0> thanks eyequeue!
[11:14] <Seveas> omv0, journaling means storing filesystem operations
[11:14] <Seveas> logging*
[11:14] <omv0> ohh
[11:14] <eyequeue> MasterYoda:  i'm connected with ipw2200 now, and only using stock kernels, so i presume so ;)
[11:14] <nmorse> what's the breezy repo?
[11:15] <omv0> i saw my friend with ext3 and when he searched for a file it took less than a second.. how did that happen? is it related to the fs?
[11:15] <transgress> nmorse: i'd guess you just change the word hoary to breezy in your source.list
[11:15] <eyequeue> omv0:  really, i think the answer boils down to personal preference, everyone seems to have one, but my experience has shown each is a solid reliable fs
[11:15] <CrippsFX> does anyone here have realplayer installed? I installed it by using alien to convert the rpm, but now I can't find the realplayer binary.
[11:15] <Seveas> omv0, he must have used slacate
[11:15] <Seveas> slocate
[11:15] <MasterYoda> eyequeue: yeah, I greped it, it is there
[11:15] <Funraiser> with google desktop search it's very quick too, and it's NTFS so it's not related
[11:15] <nmorse> didn't work last time I tried it, transgress
[11:15] <MasterYoda> it has been decided that ubuntu rocks
[11:15] <nmorse> But time to do it again, I guess
[11:15] <Seveas> that one uses a database which is updated daily from a cronjob
[11:16] <transgress> nmorse: well it seems i guessed wrong :/
[11:16] <MasterYoda> I am so glad I installed / and /home in different partitions
[11:16] <MasterYoda> it made the switch so simple
[11:16] <MasterYoda> this is freaking awesome
[11:16] <omv0> oh cool, thanks seveas!
[11:16] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  alien produces a deb, then you dpkg -i that deb
[11:16] <MasterYoda> and I thought debian was good...
[11:16] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, yes, I installed the deb with dpkg -i, but I can't find the executable (binary) file to actually run realplayer.
[11:17] <omv0> as soon as i finish backing up everything FINALLY no more window crap!! damn i hate windows
[11:18] <eyequeue> MasterYoda:  the only disadvantage i've seen with a separate /home (and i always use one btw, heh) ... if one os has a different version of a app, and it requires changes to per-user config files (~/.*rc)
[11:18] <eyequeue> MasterYoda:  that bit me when i had nfs-mounted home dirs, but it would be true on local-mounted multi-boot machines too, i'm sure
[11:19] <nmorse> darn it, breezy doesn't seem to have the package in it either
[11:19] <transgress> heh... i never use a separate home... just never got around to doing it... about all i make separate is /boot so i can lvm safely
[11:19] <therning> nmorse: what package?
[11:19] <nmorse> beagle
[11:19] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  perhaps this? /opt/RealPlayer/realplay.bin
[11:19] <nmorse> It was in backports, it's not now
[11:19] <nmorse> It's not in breezy yet
[11:20] <Seveas> beagle IS in breezy
[11:20] <nmorse> I can't find it in there
[11:20] <Seveas> but mono in breezy is highly in flux right now
[11:20] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, nothing in /opt
[11:21] <eyequeue> transgress:  separate home also rocks when you have to reinstall, or, like i just had to do, when you have to ship your laptop back to the factory and want to purge all personal data from it first
[11:21] <colera> can you use "& command" and "command &" interchangably?
[11:21] <Seveas> colera, no
[11:21] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  i ended up with that by following the realplayer instructions on ubuntuguide.org, perhaps that site may be worth looking into for you?
[11:22] <transgress> eyequeue: yeah i understand that... usually i risk it on upgrades, of course i usually backup my hard drive to disk or my external hd before i upgrade... and i'd rather /dev/random my drive to purge personal data heh
[11:22] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, I'll take a look there.
[11:22] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, thanks :)
[11:22] <eyequeue> transgress:  i dd'd /dev/random to /home, yeah :)
[11:22] <goldfish> lol
[11:22] <eyequeue> "dd'd"?  cute term
[11:23] <transgress> eh dd'ing around 15 gigs that i normally use on the entire computer neglecting the mp3's and pr0n... doesn't take too long...
[11:24] <Xik0> i dont know how i configure my apache2, anyone have a tutorial where can explain me how to configure?
[11:24] <therning> transgress, eyequeu: ever considered wipe?
[11:24] <eyequeue> i had to get rid of the pron^Wnucyulerlaunchcodes^Wfinancialdata^WSSNs^W er, identity theft and privacy, donchaknow? ;)
[11:25] <transgress> therning: wipe?
[11:26] <eyequeue> therning:  yes. b ut modern fs's basically invalidate the efectiveness now
[11:26] <therning> transgress, yes, apt-cache show wipe
[11:26] <Chamlap`> hi guys, quick question.  When trying to update I get these various errors;
[11:26] <Chamlap`> whaq: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/maindeb Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_maindeb_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:26] <transgress> anyone know of a howto to running an entire encrypted partition?
[11:26] <eyequeue> therning:  the multiple-overwrites are tyically *cached* and therefore don't happen
[11:26] <Chamlap`> anyone know what I need to do to get rid of them?
[11:27] <eyequeue> transgress:  used to be one on kerneli.org, but if not, i can look one up (kernel eye)
[11:27] <therning> eyequeue, I thought wipe did it's best to do it anyway, and mounting the partition sync would help, I think
[11:27] <transgress> no site at kerneli.org
[11:27] <eyequeue> therning:  ^^ not transgress
[11:27] <transgress> oh
[11:28] <transgress> i think it'd be spiffy to run my external drive as an encrypted partition... especially for my work shit that i really probably should hide better
[11:28] <therning> eyequeue: sorry, my fingers don't seem to be well-connected to my brain tonight
[11:28] <eyequeue> therning:  a good starting point is probably /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Encrypted-Root-Filesystem-HOWTO/index.html
[11:28] <npiv> is there a way to set up xmms to mimize into the top right, like gaim does  ?
[11:29] <eyequeue> or transgress ?  whoever, heh
[11:29] <Chamlap`> can anyone help me out?
[11:29] <lotusleaf> KDE has digikam, what is a comparable camera app for Gnome?
[11:29] <nmorse> I still can't find beagle anywhere
[11:29] <Raskall> anyone know of a good postfix admin interface? preferably something with php.
[11:29] <Raskall> (not webmin. dont like the webmin postfix module)
[11:29] <lamont> Raskall: vi?
[11:30] <transgress> eyequeue: heh nice
[11:30] <Raskall> lamont: for me thats ok, but I am going to let my wife administer a virtual domain and that is way to complicated for her.
[11:30] <lamont> ah, makes sense
[11:31] <Raskall> lamont: :)
[11:31] <eyequeue> therning:  actually, my gripe with wipe probably wouldn't apply to someone like you, but to someone less-fluent.  i'd fear the newbie might consider it will "just work" without extra precations taken, but i don't see a good solution to that
[11:31] <MasterYoda> does ubuntu's default config scale my pentium m cpu based on load?
[11:31] <rupertsw> Really embarrassing newbieish question: I want to upgrade my kernel sources to <IP_ADDRESS> and have <IP_ADDRESS> source tree already. Which patch do I need from kernel.org? I can't find the info anywhere
[11:31] <MasterYoda> cause if it does this is f-ing awesome
[11:31] <eyequeue> transgress:  that's in doc-linux-html package btw
[11:32] <Seveas> MasterYoda, for me it does :)
[11:32] <therning> eyequeue: yes, as with almost all security-related issues, you need to know what you're doing
[11:32] <npiv> whats the eclipse package called ? so I can apt-get it ?
[11:32] <nmorse> Eclipse runs in Java, right?
[11:32] <Seveas> npiv, there is no eclipse package in ubuntu afaik
[11:32] <transgress> eyequeue: cool thanks
[11:32] <nmorse> And Java's not included in ubuntu, right?
[11:33] <Seveas> nmorse, well, gcj is
[11:33] <transgress> nmorse: nope... but it's easy as hell to get on ubuntu
[11:33] <mirak> what can shutdown my monitor ? I killed xscreensaver daemon but it still shut down after some time
[11:33] <npiv> Seveas - allright thanks
[11:33] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  does .11 work on ubuntu?  it didn't at one point i know ... apt-cache search 2.6.11 will probably list what you need
[11:33] <nmorse> I highly doubt that there's an Ubuntu eclipse package
[11:33] <eyequeue> transgress:  np
[11:33] <npiv> Whats a good Direct Connect client for linux (ubuntu)
[11:33] <transgress> nmorse: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java pow!
[11:33] <nmorse> There really is a wiki for everything
[11:33] <transgress> nmorse: if there isn't and you know how to do it, you can help make it that way
[11:34] <tritium> Method 3:  install java-package, and use make-jpkg to build your own .deb
[11:34] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  hint, kernel-* packages are from debian, linux-* packages are from ubuntu btw
[11:34] <rupertsw> eyequeue, No - I was hoping just to patch my existing source tree (capped broadband :( ), so I just need to know what the patch marked 'V' in kernel.org is against!
[11:34] <CrippsFX> eyequeue, I installed real player the way the ubuntu guide prescribed, but I can't open realplayer ... it just won't load.
[11:35] <darkaudit> now registered linux user 390214 :)
[11:35] <goldfish> lol
[11:35] <concept10> dont get registered, they will come to your house
[11:36] <transgress> MS will that is
[11:36] <omv0> haha
[11:36] <darkaudit> let 'em come! :-D
[11:36] <npiv> Whats the best font for the console ?
[11:36] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  "apt-cache search 2.6.11 | grep ^linux" then "apt-cache show foo" for whichever one you want more info on.  iirc, one of them had a good description of "add this to make the ubuntu tree" or such
[11:36] <tritium> rupertsw, 2.6.11 is unsupported
[11:37] <rupertsw> eyequeue, Sorry, I don't think that's what I want to do, as that would require downloading the entire package. As I already have the 2.6.8 sources, I just want the differences.
[11:37] <eyequeue> CrippsFX:  ls -l tells me here: /usr/bin/realplay -> ../lib/realplay-10.0.4/realplay
[11:37] <lotusleaf> KDE has digikam, what is a comparable camera app for Gnome?
[11:37] <rupertsw> tritium, Well if it breaks,  I'll go back...
[11:37] <eyequeue> rupertsw:  ahh, i'm not sure then
[11:37] <Predius_> rsync?
[11:37] <tritium> rupertsw, for example, there are no linux-restricted-modules
[11:38] <k31th> wats the point in rsync
[11:38] <rupertsw> eyequeue, Don't worry then. Thanks anyway.
[11:38] <PrediusV2> Just download the changes.
[11:38] <k31th> i want one of those cell chips
[11:38] <rupertsw> PrediusV2, Yes, but which bleeding changes!!!?
[11:38] <lotusleaf> I want a cell phone in my brain
[11:38] <PrediusV2> Check the changelog?
[11:39] <PrediusV2> www.kernel.org
[11:39] <PrediusV2> k31th, what would you run over the cell chips?
[11:39] <eyequeue> /me subscribes lotusleaf's brain to some telemarketing lists
[11:39] <PrediusV2> there's no linux, bsd on the,.
[11:39] <therning> lotusleaf: gphoto
[11:39] <PrediusV2> *them
[11:39] <lotusleaf> lol
[11:39] <k31th> PrediusV2: thats the problem
[11:39] <lotusleaf> therning, thx ;)
[11:39] <k31th> soon as there is
[11:39] <k31th> those chips are Ubber fast
[11:39] <Chamlap`> hey guys, when trying to play a divx file in totem I get this error: Totem could not startup. Resource busy or not available.  Any ideas?
[11:40] <lotusleaf> if I install kde via synaptic from within ubuntu/gnome will it bork anything?
[11:40] <eyequeue> lotusleaf:  no
[11:40] <TestDummy> lotusleaf: Why don't you just use Kubuntu then? :P
[11:40] <nmorse> not at all, lotusleaf
[11:40] <nmorse> It's what I di
[11:40] <TestDummy> Er..
[11:40] <nmorse> did*
[11:40] <k31th> PrediusV2: some one port it lol
[11:41] <k31th>  would be wicked difficult id imagen
[11:41] <lotusleaf> TestDummy, I have 56k and I can't endure many more long downloads :) that's why. I felt like clawing my eyes out when I waited through the ubuntu iso download
[11:41] <TestDummy> Oh..
[11:41] <lotusleaf> nmorse & eyequeue thx :)
[11:41] <lotusleaf> TestDummy, appreciate the suggestion though ;-)
[11:41] <TestDummy> Hm, I've been trying to get Ubuntu to work right on my laptop, but it only wants to run in 640x480, still. I've tried editing xorg.conf, to add in 1024x768, but it's already there. I can't choose it though, all I get is the option for 640x480.
[11:42] <xml-blog> hi all. I just read the ubuntu guide section on mounting filesytems and a forum thread on accessing digital cams via usb, but need a little help. looking at the output from lsusb, how can I figure out the necessary incantation to mount (especially the /dev/???? parameter)?
[11:42] <TestDummy> (Yes, the hardware does support 1024x768 fine. It's supposed to be the native res, and it worked before with Warty.)
[11:43] <xml-blog> in other worse, I get a line of output like this from lsusb: Bus 002 Device 004: IS 0784:1689 Vivitar, Inc.
[11:43] <concept10> xml-blog: by looking at tail -f /var/log/messages
[11:46] <synd> how do i hide xmms
[11:46] <xml-blog> concept10, thanks. I see something in there usb-storage. based on that, does this seem ok? sudo mount -t vfat /dev/usb-storage /media/camera ?
[11:47] <Chamlap`> how can i tell totem to use xv for video?
[11:47] <mrgibson> Hello, i compiled a new kernel using the wiki kernelhowto but now, my grub seem to be fucked up, when I boot I got a pivot_root: file not found error (I am using hoary)
[11:47] <concept10> xml-blog: looks good if its fat32
[11:48] <synd> how do i hide xmms
[11:48] <unix4love> hi folks i need libgtkmm-2.0.so.1.deb file can someone help me to find this ?
[11:48] <cusco> unix4love: doesn't apt have it?
[11:48] <xml-blog> concept10, actually it didn't work and neither did scsi4. and the messages files says scsi4 - scsi emulation for usb mass storage
[11:49] <cusco> unix4love: apt-cache search libgtkmm
[11:49] <eyequeue> Chamlap`:  system > multimedia systems selector > video > default sink > output
[11:49] <xml-blog> maybe usbfs
[11:49] <concept10> xml-blog: i would unplug it, wait couple of secs, plug it back in and watch everything that is written to /var/log/messages
[11:49] <xml-blog> ok
[11:49] <xml-blog> thx
[11:49] <npiv> What is running on port 661 ? I just installed kubuntu fresh out of the box
[11:49] <npiv> ubuntu I mean not kubuntu sorry
[11:49] <willis> is there anyway to change the language of gnome in a session, or is it just setting locales which will do it
[11:50] <pvh> I have a USB GPS device, and I'm trying to see whether it's working. Where is it likely to be in /dev/ and how can I watch a /dev file? Can I just 'cat' it?
[11:50] <eyequeue> unix4love:  sudo apt-get install libgtkmm2.0-1c102
[11:50] <willis> pvh, less -f /dev/----
[11:50] <pvh> willis: thanks -- any idea what name it would be found under in /dev/?
[11:50] <pvh> willis: i know the conventions vary between kernels and distros...
[11:50] <xml-blog> concept10, ok it said bew full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 scsi5: SCSI emulation for USB mass storage etc
[11:51] <willis> pvh, and check dmesg and /var/log/syslog for any hint as what it could be called
[11:51] <concept10> xml-blog: paste it here so i can look http://www.rafb.net/paste/index.html
[11:51] <willis> pvh, also if you're using udev /dev should be pretty sparse so you could just look around
[11:51] <synd> how do i hide xmms
[11:51] <goldfish> hide?
[11:51] <goldfish> transset 1 and click on xmms :)
[11:52] <xml-blog> concept10, thx. pasted
[11:52] <TestDummy> Blah, stupid laptop... nobody has any idea why I can't choose 1024x768 even though it's listed in xorg.conf?
[11:53] <Musagetes> Speaking of xmms ... Anybody had any experience with xmms freezing? I can't get it to play anything, it just freezes. Same happens with aplay, but rhythmbox works fine. :(
[11:53] <concept10> xml-blog: do you have anymore scsi or usb devices connected?
[11:53] <xml-blog> a usb mouse
[11:53] <MasterYoda> Musagetes: apt-get install beep-media-player
[11:53] <concept10> try /dev/sda1
[11:53] <xml-blog> ok
[11:53] <transgress> TestDummy: did you try changing the horizontal and vertical syncs?
[11:53] <eyequeue> synd:  startt it on workspace 4, minimize it, and change back to workspace 1? :)
[11:53] <TestDummy> Somebody said to do something to it but was pretty unsure
[11:53] <TestDummy> I forget who
[11:54] <Musagetes> MasterYoda: I'll check it out, thanks. :)
[11:54] <TestDummy> And I don't know what to do to it anyway
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:54] <xml-blog> Special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[11:54] <Chamlap`> eyequeue: thanks!  Went there and did a test for XWindows (X11/XShm/Xv) and I get an error, any ideas?  I have the ati driver installed and working
[11:54] <synd> eyequeue, thats what i ended up doing
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> anyone on ppc here?
[11:54] <synd> eyequeue, i keep forgetting this is not Mac OS and things cant be hidden :x
[11:54] <eyequeue> Chamlap`:  no, i'm not an expert on this at all, just recalled seeing it there on this machine recently
[11:54] <Chamlap`> ok thanks anyway :)
[11:55] <TestDummy> Eck, root.
[11:55] <Musagetes> MasterYoda: Beep crashes, exactly the same way xmms does. :(
[11:55] <xml-blog> hmm and now that it is scsi 5 lsusb shows device 005. I will try ls /dev and see what ends with "5"
[11:55] <eyequeue> synd:  actually, they can, somehow, though i don't know the details.  gkrellm is running and is *not* visible on the taskbar at the bottom of my desktop
[11:55] <TestDummy> Musagetes: Change the sound output perhaps?
[11:56] <Musagetes> TestDummy: How? :(
[11:56] <TestDummy> Hm, isn't there the option "Output" somewhere in preferences??
[11:56] <synd> eyequeue, exactly. i have gkrellm running with the xmms plugin. seems redundant to have both xmms and gkrellm's xmms plugin running
[11:56] <eyequeue> synd:  if you figure out how, tell me, so i cann add xmms controls to gkrellm and not see either, heh
[11:56] <synd> eyequeue, and yes, gkrellm is not in my taskbar
[11:56] <hans_> is there prog which can play *.dat video files or vcds?
[11:57] <eyequeue> synd:  is there a way to get xmms or gkrellm visible on *all* desktops btw?
[11:57] <transgress> hans_: vlc can play vcd's
[11:57] <TestDummy> hans_: MPlayer?
[11:57] <synd> my gkrellm is visible on all..
[11:57] <admx> Hello Everyone
[11:57] <synd> eyequeue,
[11:57] <concept10> xml-blog: this is how my usb device shows up http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FmRRWu80.html
[11:57] <goldfish> eyequeue: IF you right click, i think you can choose "Send to all workgroups"
[11:58] <goldfish> for xmms anyway
[11:58] <omv0> when is breezy done?
[11:58] <goldfish> gkrellm goes to them all i thknk
[11:58] <admx> What Webcam for laptops works well with Ubuntu 5.04
[11:58] <synd> omv0, october
[11:58] <eyequeue> goldfish:  hmm, not in my version i guess :(
[11:58] <omv0> thanks synd
[11:59] <synd> eyequeue, i have it set in the Config. for gkrellm to "Set window type to act as a dock or panel"
[11:59] <hans_> thx its working now
[11:59] <synd> eyequeue, Configuration > General > Properties tab
[11:59] <xml-blog> concept10, wow way different
[11:59] <xml-blog> yours has much more data after
[11:59] <xml-blog> I just pasted again


[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 hi
[15:43] <mparillo> Starting to clone wiki pages for KK Beta and Release Notes, and I noticed that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ was last updated 2022-08-29 Is that a known issue?
[15:52] <RikMills> mparillo: yes, kinetic dailies for ubuntu and flavours are broken at the moment. fix is obviously coming soon I hope
[15:55] <RikMills> bad systemd in the containers used for the builds apparently
[16:05] <mparillo> Thank you. I copied the ReleaseNotes and Beta pages and I am starting to edit the Beta notes. Are there any more version upgrades planned? I am showing Plasma 5.25, FW 5.97, Qt 5.15 and Gear 22.08?
[16:10] <RikMills> frameworks might be bumped to 5.98 if a FFE looks reasonably safe. Plasma will be updated to 5.25.5 on Tuesday. Qt has a bugfix 5.15.5 that might go in. KDE gear will get updated to 20.08.2 on Thursday
[16:11] <RikMills> s/20.08.2/22.08.1
[16:12] <RikMills> so only 'major' might be frameworks
[16:12] <mparillo> TY


 We had a few days of fake spring and winter will restart soon
[08:34] <laney> we're on winter mode already too
[08:41] <duflu> Then in the interest of balance you should get summer back in a couple of days
[08:48] <laney> conservation of energy, that totally makes sense
[11:45] <tjaalton> is there a theme for the "old" yaru, where the windor bar is dark but app window light?
[11:46] <tjaalton> this changed in impish, it's worse now imo
[11:50] <laney> no, you can have light or dark but that's it
[11:50] <tjaalton> meh
[11:54] <laney> there are some fairly extensive issues on the decision over at github iirc
[11:54] <tjaalton> do you remember which one?
[11:55] <tjaalton> ah, found the commit
[11:57] <ricotz> hey desktopers!
[11:57] <ricotz> is Sebastien off this week?
[11:58] <tjaalton> ok, dark it is then, and force tb/ffox to use light
[11:58] <ricotz> hey laney tjaalton
[11:58] <tjaalton> hi
[13:06] <ricotz> laney, do you have time to sponsor vala 0.52.5 to impish?
[13:07] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-sru/+sourcepub/12653822/+listing-archive-extra
[13:21] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz, Séb is off until tomorrow indeed
[13:27] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, I see, thanks
[13:27] <ricotz> oSoMoN, maybe you like to handle vala 0.52.5-1?
[14:29] <laney> ricotz: why no sync?
[14:31] <ricotz> laney, it needs to go through debian new which will take a while
[14:31] <laney> is it uploaded?
[14:32] <ricotz> no, I will ask Sebastien tomorrow
[14:32] <ricotz> or would you upload it to debian too?
[14:58] <laney> ricotz: I'm going to run out of road, I'll look tomorrow if necessary
[15:18] <ricotz> laney, alright, thanks


[05:23] <tjaalton> RAOF: yo, could you accept -wacom for precise-proposed, bug 1038615
[05:36] <RAOF> tjaalton: Most assuredly!
[05:37] <tjaalton> gracias!
[05:48] <RAOF> tjaalton: That's a really bad SRU request, you know ☺
[05:50] <tjaalton> is it?
[05:52] <tjaalton> maybe a bit terse
[05:52] <RAOF> Yeah - it doesn't have a clearly written test case, and there certainly isn't *no* regression potential.
[05:55] <tjaalton> oh test case
[05:55] <tjaalton> I can add those
[05:55] <tjaalton> also, seems that powering down my monitor crashed i915, nice
[05:57] <RAOF> Woot!
[05:58] <tjaalton> on precise though, so too old to care
[05:58] <RAOF> I've accepted xf86-input-wacom by the way.  I'm just commenting that the SRU bug is a little bite too far on the terse side :)
[05:58] <tjaalton> yeah
[05:58] <tjaalton> thanks
[06:01] <tjaalton> updated
[06:40] <jibel> anyone could look at bug 1066883 and bug 1066228 and give an opinion. They appeared recently and it's really worrying as the release is in 2 days
[06:41] <jibel> someone in the qa team has a mac mini with an intel card on which he can reproduce reliably, if you need more info
[06:53] <tjaalton> jibel: sounds like a race in plymouth vs. xserver
[06:56] <jibel> tjaalton, any idea to investigate it further ?
[07:04] <tjaalton> jibel: not sure, aiui it's been there for a long time
[07:11] <jibel> hm, the mac mini worked nicely until recent release candidates.
[07:12] <tjaalton> so you have one?
[07:12] <tjaalton> try an older quantal kernel
[07:13] <jibel> tjaalton, yes, someone in my team have one and can do some testing.
[07:13] <jibel> tjaalton, I'll ask him to find the last known good image and to diff the manifests
[07:13] <tjaalton> so there should be an older kernel still available, try to bisect if it was some change there
[07:14] <tjaalton> bisect as in testing the kernel packages
[07:14] <tjaalton> jibel: um, unless it has been reinstalled with the rc there's no need to do that
[07:14] <tjaalton> or just install a mainline 3.5.x
[07:15] <jibel> tjaalton, ok
[07:17] <tjaalton> the current one is based on 3.5.5
[07:18] <tjaalton> so maybe try a mainline 3.5.5 and if able to reproduce with it, go back with 3.5.4 etc
[11:29] <dholbach> heya
[11:29] <dholbach> did anyone see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-updates/+bug/1048142 and has an opinion about it?
[11:32] <tjaalton> tseliot: ^
[11:45] <tseliot> dholbach: yes, I think I've fixed that in quantal
[11:47] <dholbach> tseliot, ah, so it can be closed?
[11:47] <tjaalton> it was filed on precise though
[11:47] <tseliot> dholbach: we should add a task for precise
[11:48] <dholbach> aha
[11:48] <dholbach> tseliot, perfect - will you take care of it?
[11:48] <tseliot> dholbach: sure
[11:49] <dholbach> tseliot, grazie mille
[11:49] <tseliot> dholbach: di niente ;)
[12:17] <mlankhorst> RAOF: is it too early to SRU something for xxv nouveau yet on quantal?
[12:18] <tjaalton> nope
[12:18] <tjaalton> just target -proposed
[12:18] <tjaalton> zero-day updates is nothing unheard of
[12:18] <mlankhorst> I'm hoping for some other patch first so I can sru both
[12:23] <mlankhorst> "[Nouveau] [PATCH] dri2: Fix potential race and crash for swap at next vblank."
[14:07] <seb128> bryceh, mlankhorst, RAOF: hey, #ubuntu-release pinged us about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1066883
[14:07] <seb128> could one of you have a look and try to figure if that's an xorg or kernel issue?
[14:09] <tjaalton> jibel asked about it earlier
[14:11] <mlankhorst> definitely interesting what is going on there though..
[14:13] <seb128> tjaalton, and what was the outcome?
[14:14] <mlankhorst> race between plymouth and x server
[14:15] <psivaa> seb128: mlankhorst. the issue is not occurring when i tried with an older image 20120724.2  (alpha 3)
[14:16] <seb128> mlankhorst, hum, and any clue on how to address that race?
[14:16] <psivaa> the login screen comes up even when the latest kernel (<IP_ADDRESS> ) was installed on that old image
[14:19] <tjaalton> ss
[14:24] <tjaalton> psivaa: that's an ancient image, not really helpful to know it worked
[14:30] <psivaa> tjaalton: ok, bug 1066228 was reported on 20120905.2, so i tested with older than that.
[14:31] <psivaa> well this was the original image and the bug was reported on 13/10 after upgrade, i have 20121018.1 and ill try with that now
[14:31] <tjaalton> if 20120905 means the date, then there's more than a month between the image and the bug?
[14:32] <tjaalton> I'm confused, was 20120905 a working one or not?
[14:32] <psivaa> fresh install with 20120905 works
[14:32] <tjaalton> ok
[14:32] <tjaalton> no need to test older ones then
[14:34] <psivaa> im sorry it did *not* work with 20120905 according to bug 1066228
[14:34] <tjaalton> did you file that bug?
[14:34] <psivaa> no
[14:35] <tjaalton> ok so your bug was another one, got it
[14:35] <tjaalton> if you can narrow it down further then
[14:36] <tjaalton> would be cool
[14:36] <psivaa> im installing with 20121018.1 and let you know
[14:36] <tjaalton> ok
[15:29] <psivaa> tjaalton: it works ok with 20121001 but fails on 20121011
[15:30] <psivaa> i am getting 20121005 now to try, do you want me to try anyother image between 1001 and 1011?
[15:31] <tjaalton> psivaa: i guess that should be enough
[15:31] <tjaalton> or maybe just upgrade select packages from the working one to see where it breaks
[15:32] <psivaa> tjaalton: ok, ill do that thanks
[15:32] <tjaalton> -intel was uploaded on sep 29th
[15:34] <tjaalton> no big changes to the xserver either
[15:35] <tjaalton> try updating the kernel then
[15:35] <tjaalton> pretty sure the issue is there
[16:06] <psivaa> tjaalton: i have tried rebooting about 10 times after kernel upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS> to the working image (20121001) the issue is not reproduced
[16:07] <psivaa> tjaalton: if you want any other pkg to be upgraded, i could try that
[16:18] <Sarvatt> psivaa: it'd be worth trying to update xserver-xorg-core just in case
[16:18] <psivaa> Sarvatt: ok thanks, trying that
[16:29] <psivaa> Sarvatt: updating xserver-xorg-core does not break either
[16:29] <bryceh> morning
[16:29] <mlankhorst> morning
[16:52] <tjaalton> psivaa: try xserver-xorg-video-intel next
[16:57] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: is the backport stack installable again?
[16:57] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: not yet unless mvo fixed that bug yet
[16:57] <tjaalton> ok
[16:58] <mlankhorst> well it will install as long as you don't use multiarch
[16:58] <tjaalton> so I wonder if getting gpu hungs on precise twice today is due to some update or what
[16:59] <tjaalton> hungs?
[17:00] <bryceh> tjaalton, is it well hungs?
[17:00] <tjaalton> :)
[17:00] <tjaalton> i really hope this is just what other folks are seeing all the time, and not something new
[17:00] <tjaalton> precise has been quite stable for me for the past few months
[17:01] <tjaalton> on ivb
[17:07] <bjsnider> ricotz, was dropping the xvmc lib the only change to the newest blob?
[17:11] <psivaa> tjaalton: xserver-xorg-video-intel does not break either
[17:12] <ricotz> bjsnider, i hope so
[17:12] <tjaalton> psivaa: well that's weird then
[17:13] <tjaalton> hmm what about grub?
[17:15] <tjaalton> psivaa: also, verify that the kernel _image_ was upgraded, 'apt-cache policy linux-image-3.5.0-17-generic'
[17:17] <ricotz> bjsnider, this is nothing for x-updates though, since beta and dropped support for geforce 6
[17:18] <bjsnider> i don't put betas in there anyway
[17:18] <ricotz> ;)
[17:18] <psivaa> tjaalton: that returns, 'Installed: 3.5.0-17.28'
[17:18] <psivaa> tjaalton: just updated grub, trying reboot
[17:19] <tjaalton> psivaa: ok, so it's the latest
[17:19] <psivaa> tjaalton: yes
[17:20] <tjaalton> psivaa: once you're done with it, please run 'apt-get install pastebinit; apt-get -s dist-upgrade | pastebinit'
[17:20] <tjaalton> and give the url
[17:21] <psivaa> tjaalton: ok will do
[17:25] <psivaa> tjaalton: so i go on to update all the packages?
[17:26] <psivaa> tjaalton: no its just two of them for pastebin, my bad
[17:27] <tjaalton> yeah, install pastebinit and then simulate the dist-upgrade
[17:27] <tjaalton> and pipe it to pastebin
[17:27] <psivaa> tjaalton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283497/
[17:30] <tjaalton> psivaa: ok, try upstart next
[17:37] <psivaa> tjaalton: upstart does not seem to break either
[17:40] <Sarvatt> lightdm would be the next i'd try
[17:40] <tjaalton> oh yes
[17:41] <Sarvatt> if its not that i'm completely confused
[17:41] <tjaalton> yeah
[17:41] <tjaalton> "new upstream stable release", bumping the version 1.3.3->1.4.0
[17:41] <Sarvatt> yeah exactly what i just saw
[18:19] <psivaa> tjaalton: Sarvatt: lightdm 1.4.0 does not break either, 5 reboots without failure
[18:19] <tjaalton> meh
[18:40] <Hunan> itsswift@swift-UX31E:~$ chmod a+x enable-rightbutton.sh
[18:40] <Hunan> itsswift@swift-UX31E:~$ ./enable-rightbutton.sh 12
[18:40] <Hunan> property Synaptics Right Button Area doesn't exist, you need to specify its type and format
[18:41] <Hunan> Any help on that?]
[18:41] <Hunan> ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad  Is the touch pad type
[18:43] <tjaalton> it's most likely not using synaptics, but the evdev driver
[18:43] <Hunan> Alright. Any idea how I enable right click on the evdev driver ? Or how I switch to synaptics? Whichever is better
[18:44] <tjaalton> xinput list-props 12
[18:44] <tjaalton> "Evdev Third Button Emulation"
[18:44] <tjaalton> probably
[18:46] <Hunan> When I did ixinput list-props 12 pretty much everything is synaptics
[18:46] <Hunan> So I' guessing I'm not using evdev
[18:47] <tjaalton> then fix the script
[18:50] <Hunan> Novice struggles. I ouldn't know what I was doing hahah
[18:50] <Hunan> Back to windows
[18:54] <Sarvatt> Hunan: save this as /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283654/
[18:57] <Hunan> Ermmm I dont have permissions to save files in tht locations.. what' the best way to get around that. I'm not sure hwo to ake a file in terminal
[18:59] <Sarvatt> alt+F2, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:00] <Hunan> Perfect
[19:00] <Sarvatt> it should work when you reboot now
[19:00] <Hunan> Brbbrbrb
[19:00] <Hunan> Log out or full reboot?
[19:04] <Hunan_> It worked thanks a bundl
[19:06] <Sarvatt> Hunan_: no problem, where did you find that enable-rightbutton.sh btw? a wiki somewhere? that only worked on a very early version of the clickpad support, not what went into final 12.04
[19:06] <Hunan_> I found it through googling, but it pointed to a wiki page at some point
[19:06] <Hunan_> I can dig it up if you'd lik
[19:07] <Hunan_> Also any thoughts on getting three and four finger gestures to work?
[19:07] <Sarvatt> wow, it's on the debugging touchpad problems page
[19:09] <Hunan_> Yahhh
[19:09] <Hunan_> I was really confused about why it wouldn't work cause it came from official pages.. Also the AsusZenbook Community page states that my trackpad should work out of the box.. it clearly doesnt haah
[19:11] <Hunan_> Also while I've got someone who's nice and helpful is there a way to set my default brightness to the lowest setting ubuntu keeps bumping me back up to max..


[13:13] <daftykins> goooood day gang
[13:14] <daftykins> today's comedy IT is brought to you by a client of mine's database provider, who has a new VPN system as of today!
[13:14] <zxmpi> grumble grumble sips tea
[13:14] <daftykins> sadly, they appear to have chosen the subnet 192.168.1.x for the resources we need to reach at the other end... not a problem for me, but i imagine that will clash with many a home worker
[13:15] <daftykins> nevermind that i can't in fact reach said sources yet despite this Fortinet client connecting ok :D
[13:15] <zxmpi> so close and yet so far
[13:19] <daftykins> lol just got a reply "we had to change subnet because it caused problems for some home workers" d'oy
[13:20] <zxmpi> think of all the fun they missed out on trying to create bands within 192.168.1.x for each user and the hardware on their networks :-D
[13:21] <penguin42> and that's why I don't use 192.168.1 at home
[13:23] <zxmpi> all my devices use <IP_ADDRESS>!
[13:23] <penguin42> home, home on the net...
[13:24] <zxmpi> where the dogs and the cat pics roam...
[13:34] <daftykins> :)
[13:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Do you do undercover IT work?
[13:37] <zxmpi> ::raises glasses:: it is i, le daftykins :-P
[13:39] <daftykins> penguin42: does working in bed from my laptop count? ;)
[13:40] <penguin42> daftykins: Not really, I need you to surreptitously fix all our local healthcare IT since they can't do it themselves
[13:40] <daftykins> lol
[13:42] <penguin42> daftykins: All the main hospitals are on critical incident due to broken IT
[13:42] <penguin42> daftykins: https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/news/nca-news/ongoing-it-issues-affecting-local-hospitals-oldham-bury-rochdale-and-nmgh
[13:43] <daftykins> yikes
[13:43] <penguin42> daftykins: And, separately, our GP are switching providers, and said they'd be completely out 18-26th
[13:44] <penguin42> daftykins: so can't reorder prescriptions form them directly or do anything really unless it's urgent/critical
[13:45] <penguin42> daftykins: and note that was supposedly fixed on 26th, but they've not updated their website since to say what to do
[13:46] <daftykins> :(
[13:48] <daftykins> i bet working in healthcare is an exercise in frustration, tied down by red tape for every action
[13:48] <penguin42> so, I'm happy to buy you the ballaclava
[13:48] <zxmpi> is it n95 compatible? :-P
[13:54] <penguin42> for healthcare use, of course
[20:51] <daftykins> ooh i hadn't watched RMC's Apple IIe videos yet, he did an interesting job
[20:51] <daftykins> the place he got the ComactFlash adapter card from wants $95 USD for it though, ouch!
[21:12] <zxmpi> not worth the price to add cheap easy way to transfer files to from?
[21:13] <daftykins> just can't see the desire to exchange being that frequent
[21:13] <daftykins> vs. £50 for that one-off ROM on ebay from Ireland i linked the other day
[21:13] <daftykins> tough call! no idea what shipping would have been on top
[21:56] <zxmpi> i remember a lot of roms of that era been shipped in a jiffy bag in normal post stuck on polystyrene strip no expsnse spared :-)
[21:57] <daftykins> their site doesn't even say whereabouts they are though
[21:58] <daftykins> huh might be New Jersey, here's the item anyway - https://www.reactivemicro.com/product/reactivemicro-driveturbo-for-iie-and-iigs/
[21:59] <zxmpi> i wonder if the compact flash drive would be faster than an original apple ii hard drive :-)
[22:00] <daftykins> they claim so!
[22:00] <zxmpi> i remember just how slow the hard drives were for amstrad pcs that came later. i think some of the super floppies i used were faster
[22:02] <zxmpi> i wonder if you can still get an ibm microdrive to put in the compact flash socket :-D
[22:03] <zxmpi> they were a chunky card. i seem to remember some who put them into psions saying it was a one off and unlikely to be able to be removed safely
[22:03] <daftykins> ooh-err
[22:04] <daftykins> RMC's video is motivating me to do a full PSU re-capping and also a full scrub up of the machine though, that'd be nice
[22:04] <daftykins> torn on further investment for the software side, rumour has it my mum threw out all the disks - certainly we can't find any
[22:04] <zxmpi> rebuilding an icon
[22:05] <zxmpi> likelyhood of disks from that era still readable after cooking and cooling in an attic for a few decades are slim?
[22:05] <daftykins> when i did the diagnostic, it did screech pretty concerningly from inside, made me wonder if the caps were straining xD
[22:05] <daftykins> well it was well insulated, the 2 in the drive were still reading
[22:06] <zxmpi> they really don't build them like they used too
[22:06] <daftykins> need to recap the drives as well really, plus lube up the motors like they did on RMC's videos
[22:07] <zxmpi> are the new capacitors better quality or are they going to need replacing in a few decades?
[22:07] <daftykins> just like all electrolytics, it depends how premium you go
[22:08] <daftykins> not sure how long those RIFAs i put in the PSU are meant to last
[22:08] <daftykins> might go back to the guy on ebay and ask if he knows
[22:08] <zxmpi> just i have heard of folk buying consumer routes and replacing cheap chinese caps with decent ones to give the hardware a longer lifespan
[22:08] <zxmpi> *routers
[22:09] <daftykins> ah right, well the originals i saw were fancy Nichicon ones
[22:09] <zxmpi> mind there are electronic monks who last i heard was rebuilding a commodore 64 they found that all the chips were rusted dead
[22:09] <daftykins> hah
[22:10] <zxmpi> and this is practice before they touch their amiga :-)
[22:10] <daftykins> yeah i don't much see a point to prolonging the life of consumer routers when the firmware is stale the day you buy it
[22:11] <zxmpi> i think it's a they hate throwing out hardware they know could still be used otherwise. mostly routers with alternate software running on it
[22:12] <daftykins> mmm, still junk at release :D
[22:13] <daftykins> well i best be off, late already... seems like all other peeps i'm working with are winding down so i won't have much to do for quite a while :O
[22:13] <zxmpi> o/
[22:13] <daftykins> had i prepared better i could have had the caps ready to go on the Apple IIe so i could work on it over the holiday :)
[22:13] <daftykins> g'night! ttfn \o
[23:07]  * penguin42 hates to think what state my pile of machines is in; but I do need to try recapping my alarm clock
[23:08] <penguin42> it has display corruption issues: https://mastodon.org.uk/system/media_attachments/files/108/300/738/145/198/181/original/c6cfec3b50e316d8.mp4
[23:27] <zxmpi> if you leave it as is it would make a great sci fi countdown timer for an alien race :-P
[23:32] <penguin42> hehe
[23:38] <zxmpi> or a way to persecute yourself waking up with a hangover and wondering if you're still too blotto to read numbers :-P


[18:41] <philipballew> bkerensa, sent you another pm
[19:13] <philipballew> bkerensa, again, I sent you a pm.
[21:04] <Brian_H> bkerensa: I did not send you a pm
[21:04] <bkerensa> Brian_H: hmm?
[21:04] <Brian_H> lol sorry, just being sarcastic
[21:04] <bkerensa> ah
[21:04] <bkerensa> ok
[21:04] <bkerensa> less PM's ftw
[21:05] <Brian_H> I figured you have pm notifications on, so I didn't see the point of the channel highlight :p
[21:05] <bkerensa> Brian_H: How goes Linbit? :)
[21:05] <bkerensa> Brian_H: I have all the things on pushover.net
[21:05] <bkerensa> Channel/PM and Keywords :)
[21:06] <Brian_H> linbit is going really well, we just expanded 4 more sales guys
[21:06] <Brian_H> and girls ;)
[21:09] <adam_g_> Brian_H, did you guys move? i was out that way and was gonna stop by but the old place was empty
[21:09] <Brian_H> oh yea :) we have a stand alone building now
[21:10] <Brian_H> movin on up like the jeffersons lol
[21:10] <adam_g_> ah, cool
[21:10] <Brian_H> you guys going to be at oscon this year?
[21:12] <bkerensa> ofc
[21:12] <bkerensa> :)
[21:12] <adam_g_> not sure yet, dunno if theres a spare ticket.
[21:12] <bkerensa> adam_g_: pfft tell them you want to help out with the charm school :)
[21:12] <bkerensa> adam_g_: you dont really want to do that though huh? :P
[21:13] <adam_g_> bkerensa, no, i'd like to go to attend the conference not work. :)
[21:13] <bkerensa> Brian_H: you need moar sysadmins and devs now ;)
[21:14] <Brian_H> well more techs and devs
[21:14] <bkerensa> adam_g_: luckily this year no booth running for me :) I get to just got enjoy the conf
[21:14] <Brian_H> I have the systems under control for the most part
[21:14] <bkerensa> where do you even find drbd techs? it seems like such a niche
[21:15] <Brian_H> we just get people with linux skills and hope for the best :)
[21:15] <Brian_H> so far we've done pretty well with 1 exception, but that was really short lived
[21:15] <bkerensa> hah
[21:15]  * adam_g_ hides
[21:16] <Brian_H> lol, adam_g was awesome :)
[21:16] <bkerensa> how could he not be :)
[21:17] <Brian_H> we've got some good talent now too, a good core team to build on
[21:17] <bkerensa> his work ethic is unmatchable :) the guy is hacking on stuff everywhere he goes :P
[21:17] <adam_g> hehe
[21:17] <adam_g> time to go eat japanese curry. cya
[21:17] <Brian_H> I made the mistake of buying a lenovo ideapad :(
[21:17] <Brian_H> later :)
[21:18] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Oh? I'm bouncing the idea around of getting a XPS 13 but also keen on waiting for Dell to rollout a nice haswell model
[21:18] <Brian_H> yea I really want to ditch it and get a dell, but finding someone to buy it isn't going to be that easy :p
[21:20] <bkerensa> Brian_H: are you into Greek btw? If so you should check out Mad Greek Deli :)
[21:22] <Brian_H> heck yea I am
[21:23] <bkerensa> its the best I have had in Portland
[21:23] <bkerensa> nosiy on timber game nights though
[21:24] <Brian_H> heck yea I'll add that to the places to visit list


[00:43] <mdeslaur> Any ETA on a Canada store?
[00:49] <mattgriffin> mdeslaur: no news. sorry
[00:52] <mdeslaur> mattgriffin: ok, thanks :)
[12:14] <duanedesign> good morning all
[12:15] <duanedesign> rye: ahh, you made a little progress on the segfault...
[12:16] <rye> duanedesign, well, not really, since segfault happening in python is pretty baaad thing
[12:18] <rye> duanedesign, http://paste.ubuntu.com/486708/ - full traceback
[12:21] <rye> duanedesign, http://code.google.com/p/libproxy/downloads/list - 0.4.5 is current, ubuntu has 0.3.1 :-/
[12:24] <duanedesign> :/
[12:25] <rye> duanedesign, trying to build package for one to see whether it runs now
[12:30] <duanedesign> their is a bug report discussing upgrading libproxy. In case you get positive reults it is bug 547106
[12:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 547106 in libproxy (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade libproxy to 0.4.0 in Lucid (affects: 3) (heat: 29)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/547106
[12:38] <rye> libproxy is now cmake-driven, need more knowledges to get package done...
[16:43] <frogdog> hello there, I cant get evolution to sync my contacs, in fact I've been unable too for a long time
[16:43] <frogdog> Im currently on maverick
[16:43] <beuno> frogdog, couchdb replication is currently disabled
[16:43] <beuno> so syncing from evolution will not work until we get it back up
[16:44] <beuno> we're hoping to do that this week
[16:44] <frogdog> ok thanks for that, I've staring to lose my mind over here ;)
[16:45] <frogdog> now I know it's not my box then :D
[16:45] <beuno> no, it's all our boxes  :)
[22:23] <jouyt_> hello i cant connect my computer to my uvuntu one account
[22:25] <jouyt_> i cant add the computer


[01:17] <R13ose> I get this error 'Configuration file "/home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc" not writable. Please contact your system administrator." and unsure why.  Any ideas?
[01:34] <valorie> hmmm, sounds like you have permissions problem
[01:34] <valorie> !permissions
[01:34] <R13ose> Yes but why?  I had this last time before I reformatted the computer
[01:35] <valorie> it's possible that some application or file was invoked with sudo that shouldn't have been
[01:35] <malaverdiere> Hi everybody. Things have been slower since I upgraded Kubuntu to 18.04. Even putting the proprietary NVdia plugins doesn't resolve the lag that kicks in from time to time
[01:35] <valorie> which made that file owned by root instead of by you the user
[01:35] <R13ose> valorie: How do I fix this?
[01:35] <valorie> r1
[01:35] <valorie> that link should explain
[01:36] <R13ose> Change ownership that is all?
[01:36] <valorie> right, chmod your #HOME is what you basically do
[01:36] <valorie> if it's just a file or two it will be super-quick
[01:37] <R13ose> valorie: when I try to open dolphin, I get this "Configuration file "/home/test/.config/dolphinrc" not writable. Please contact your system administrator." but after I click okay it opens and another error comes up.
[01:37] <valorie> ugh, is your home on another drive?
[01:38] <R13ose> Nope
[01:38] <valorie> because perhaps it's not cleanly mounted
[01:38] <valorie> ok
[01:38] <valorie> imo you should chmod home just to be safe
[01:39] <valorie> Warning with Recursive chmod
[01:39] <valorie> WARNING: Although it's been said, it's worth mentioning in context of a gotcha typo. Please note, Recursively deleting or chown-ing files are extremely dangerous. You will not be the first, nor the last, person to add one too many spaces into the command. This example will hose your system:
[01:39] <valorie> user@host:/home/user$ sudo chmod -R / home/john/Desktop/tempfiles
[01:40] <valorie> Note the space between the first / and home.
[01:40] <valorie> You have been warned.
[01:40] <valorie> from that link ubottu gave above
[01:40] <R13ose> I am confused
[01:45] <valorie> mmm, maybe I meant chown
[01:45] <valorie> !chown
[01:45] <valorie> ok, same link
[01:46] <R13ose> valorie: what should my command be?
[01:46] <valorie> hmmm
[01:50] <valorie> chown -R youruser /home/youruser
[01:53] <valorie> if your user in this system is test, then `chown -R test /home/test`
[01:56] <R13ose> still coming up after using that
[01:58] <R13ose> valorie: ^
[01:59] <valorie> did chown give you any output?
[02:00] <R13ose> said a lot of these "chown: changing ownership of '/home/test/.face': Read-only file system"
[02:00] <valorie> do the files still show as read-only?
[02:01] <valorie> in dolphin or the cli
[02:01] <R13ose> -rw-r--r--  1 test test    14965 May 22 10:06  .face
[02:01] <R13ose> this is in cli
[02:02] <valorie> I'm afraid I'm beyond my knowledge
[02:02] <valorie> when I've chowned home that always fixed issues
[02:02] <R13ose> Thanks for trying
[02:02] <valorie> you might try in #ubuntu
[02:02] <R13ose> I will try that
[02:02] <valorie> best of luck!
[02:05] <R13ose> :)
[02:58] <qwebirc9273> hey I'm trying to install Kubuntu but the install keeps hanging when going from the "Software" section to the "Disk Setup" section ... has anyone seen this?  What do I do?
[03:05] <valorie> qwebirc9273: are you doing a whole-disk install, or what?
[03:05] <valorie> what version?
[03:06] <qwebirc9273> 18.04
[03:06] <qwebirc9273> I got an ssd for it last night so I'm fine with whole disk
[03:07] <qwebirc9273> I would like to setup a duel boot, its been a while since I've done it but I remember it being pretty automated
[03:07] <valorie> 18.04.1?
[03:07] <valorie> or just 18.04
[03:08] <qwebirc9273> hmm I'm running Kubuntu from the thumb drive is there a version I can check in Konsole?
[03:08] <valorie> well, from where did you download the ISO?
[03:08] <qwebirc9273> the ubuntu page
[03:08] <valorie> if you did it from our website, it's the correct version
[03:08] <valorie> like the ubuntu flavors page?
[03:09] <qwebirc9273> I found a bug about this earlier I think my issue is similar
[03:09] <qwebirc9273> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1766978
[03:09] <qwebirc9273> I went here https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[03:10] <valorie> right, that's our website
[03:10] <valorie> interesting, I've not seen this bug report before, and it seems it is for all the flavors
[03:11] <valorie> and odd that it has not been fixed
[03:11] <qwebirc9273> I think I could just unplug my windows drive and try again?
[03:11] <qwebirc9273> only concern I have is how hard it would be to install lilo or grub
[03:11] <valorie> oh gosh lilo
[03:11] <qwebirc9273> I could do that from the thumb drive right?
[03:11] <valorie> grub2 is what is used now
[03:11] <qwebirc9273> oh wow ok
[03:12] <valorie> unsure that lilo is used anywhere now
[03:12] <qwebirc9273> ahh yea sorry it has been a while
[03:12] <valorie> so, what I would do is use kde partitionmanager or whatever you like, and partition your new SSD before you start
[03:13] <qwebirc9273> ok alright, I'll do that
[03:13] <valorie> have fun!
[03:13] <qwebirc9273> thanks :) glad to be trying out linux again
[03:13] <valorie> cool
[09:01] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm using autofs to mount  some samba shares...thing is, they don't only show up in dolphin after I access them the first time....how to make the visible on mount?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[16:06] <Mylon> Help, I broke software updater.  I added a custom repository and the software updater says  that repository is missing something (a manifest?  Message disappears), and updating refuses to progress and I can't close it via the gui, I gotta kill it.
[16:06] <Mylon> How do I revert it back to default repositories?
[16:13] <Mylon> Nevermind, I found the setting.
[18:18] <CrazyTux> which other DEs are compatible with Kubuntu?


[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning
 Hello. Just curious if the bugfixes address Bluetooth issues
 I know Bluetooth works in Ubuntu Budgie, but not sure why Kubuntu refuses to allow for my Wireless earbuds
[07:38] <MrSassyPants> Latest kernel/general update seemingly removed the ability to access my samsung phone's files, any info on this?
[07:52] <valorie> @JJ_4884 please file a bug about this issue -- I've not heard of it before
[07:52] <valorie> the easy way is in the commandline: ubuntu-bug bluetooth
[07:52] <valorie> or so
[07:53] <valorie> whatever the bluetooth packagename is
[07:53] <valorie> MrSassyPants: in kde-connect, or what?
[07:54] <MrSassyPants> valorie, in the dolphin, idk what subsystems that uses precisely
[07:54] <valorie> last I checked, I could easily read/transfer files both ways using kde-connect
[07:54] <valorie> ah, mtp always fails for me for years
[07:54] <valorie> I have a samsung phone too
[07:54] <MrSassyPants> it was working fine for me until today
[07:54] <valorie> !info kdeconnect
[07:55] <valorie> if you don't have kdeconnect, check it out
[07:55] <MrSassyPants> I think I played around with kdeconnect years ago
[07:55] <MrSassyPants> no use for me
[07:55] <valorie> the only time I ever have an issue is if the phone version and laptop version get out of sync
[07:56] <valorie> years ago it could do much less
[07:56] <MrSassyPants> if I can use it as a glorified memory stick I'm fine
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:09] <Alabalistic> HI
[16:30] <tombusby> hi all, when I log in, I see this: https://imgur.com/a/lnPwKr4
[16:30] <tombusby> I have to select it each time. I'm not sure what software is causing this, but it'd be nice to set it and it remmber the choice
[16:30] <tombusby> if anyone can point me in the right direction, that'd be really appreciated
[16:34] <tombusby> nevermind someone in #kde helped me identify it as KScreen
[16:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, I saw that :-)
[16:46] <Scottbert> Has anyone gotten samba sharing working? I can access windows shares just fine, but I need to share folders from my linux machine.
[16:47] <Scottbert> And as far as I can tell Kubuntu is unable to do this out of the box.
[16:47] <Scottbert> Whenever I try to set a folder shared in dolphin it just throws out whatever settings I give it,.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> Scottbert, try using Dolphin>Network>add folder to create a share link to the MS pc dir you want
[17:09] <Scottbert> BluesKaj: Accessing samba shares on other computers works fine, I want to share folders FROM this computer
[17:10] <Scottbert> And I can't believe this isn't basic out of the box ubuntu functionality
[17:10] <Scottbert> I know linuxes used to be able to do this 6 years ago no problem
[17:15] <BluesKaj> that share link should give 2 way access between your linux pc and the windows pc folders
[17:17] <BluesKaj> youshould be able to copy a fplder from linux to Windows as well
[17:17] <BluesKaj> 'scuse my spelling
[17:23] <Scottbert> That's for adding a remote windows folder, I want to share a folder from the linux computer
[17:42] <Scottbert> How is kubuntu completely unable to do this
[18:40] <FelixErnst-M> Scottbert: I know that Nate Graham has been working on making this work by default. I don't know if he fully completed that task yet but maybe he has and it just isn't in Kubuntu yet.
[18:42] <FelixErnst-M> see here: https://phabricator.kde.org/T8663
[18:46] <FelixErnst-M> also here: https://phabricator.kde.org/T6831
[19:14] <Scottbert> oh if ONLY it were as simple as installing the samba-common package
[19:15] <Scottbert> I like how he says "Samba usability is critical for professional and enterprise usage." and then Ubuntu just releases with it broken anyway
[19:17] <Scottbert> I wonder what the Ubuntu release process is that a build without this working gets okayed for release... although more immediately important to ME is getting it working. I managed to get a horrible kludge working with that gtk-samba config tool
[19:18] <Scottbert> And yet there's NO help on the internet for this... Has noone needed to share a folder FROM a linux computer in the past 8 years?
[19:19] <FelixErnst-M> well at least you see that people are working on it :P
[19:20] <FelixErnst-M> but ye it really should be working out of the box no question
[19:21] <FelixErnst-M> I have personally never used it so I can't help you there
[19:48] <Scottbert> NM, the kludge APPEARS to work when I browse to localhost but I can't actually browse folders from other computers
[19:49] <Scottbert> So there are just no instructions? No ubuntu user anywhere needs to share files?
[21:25] <Neeknaim> Hello
[21:25] <Neeknaim> How stable is kubuntu 18.04 with backports PPA?
[21:27] <Neeknaim> Can this be a stable workstation for a simple user? or are there occasional crashes and/or bugs to solve?
[21:32] <valorie> Neeknaim: I've never had a crash
[21:33] <valorie> that said, I only run an LTS for 6 months then upgrade
[21:33] <valorie> now running 19.04
[21:33] <valorie> and I always run backports
[21:33] <valorie> never once had a problem with backports
[21:33] <Neeknaim> you run the LTS for 6 months with backports PPA enabled?
[21:34] <Neeknaim> oh
[21:34] <Neeknaim> I see. cool
[21:34] <valorie> plus you can always do ppa-purge if you *do* have a problem
[21:34] <valorie> yes
[21:34] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[21:34] <Neeknaim> How many plasma updates did you have during the 6 months period of 18.04?
[21:34] <valorie> huh
[21:35] <valorie> I would have to go back to KDE.org announcements and see how many there were
[21:36] <valorie> https://kde.org/announcements/
[21:36] <Neeknaim> an approximation would be enough. Was it around 2-3 or more like 10?
[21:38] <Neeknaim> you upgraded from 18.04 to 18.04 or straight to 19.04?
[21:38] <Neeknaim> sorry
[21:38] <Neeknaim> you upgraded from 18.04 to 18.10 or straight to 19.04?
[21:38] <Neeknaim> hmmm I guess the 6 months would hint that it was 18.10
[21:40] <valorie> yes, in fact I usually upgrade to the beta
[21:41] <valorie> but I'm part of the team and am one of the testers
[21:41] <valorie> for the average user I see the value of LTS
[21:41] <valorie> I like having fresh applications though
[21:44] <Neeknaim> Yeah. I want to recommend kubuntu to a friend that uses xubuntu (which was very stable). But on the one hand, I want him to experience stability and no annoyances, and on the other, I like all the fresh stuff that plasma is showing :S
[22:15] <Neeknaim> one more question, is there a way to stop the automatic background updates in kubuntu? and only do them when I choose to?
 @mia, I believe "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop"


[00:07] <zeta-> Hi everyone,  Is this the place to ask about an upgrade (10.10 -> 11.04 ) problem affecting X, or is this X developement?
[00:19] <jcristau> probably the wrong time as most people who would be able to help you are on their way to uds i guess
[00:20] <zeta-> jcristau: Ah ok, :-(  I'll try more general channel -- thanks.
[11:52] <Sarvatt> ScottK: that was me waving to you on the plane :)
[19:35] <Viper550> Hello?
[21:25] <albert23> so,  the x crash in RecordAReply (774978) is triggered by xxi-synaptics. This uses record which results in the RecordAReply calls.
[21:25] <albert23> Without synaptics there are no RecordAReply calls and no crash :-)
[21:27]  * albert23 wonders if recording of a request which schedules an event can even work. X doesn't seem to preserve the requestbuffer which RecordAReply wants to access when the event happens


[02:17] <vadi2> I'm missing something obvious here or I'm searching for the wrong thing. But I'd like to get a domain name for my instance now... how would I associate it with the IP? (never done this before manually.)
[02:17] <flaccid> vadi2: which cloud?
[02:18] <vadi2> EC2
[02:18] <flaccid> register domain, get elastic IP, associate elastic IP to instance, ensure this IP is in the domain dns forward zone
[02:19] <vadi2> Aha. Thanks.
[02:19] <flaccid> np
[02:48] <vadi2> Grand success. Thanks!
[02:49] <flaccid> coolio


[04:12] <ball> hello lborda
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:11] <bregma> hey folks, it's muggy and warm today, not too hot yet, and the bugs don't seem as bad
[13:18] <bregma> oneiric ocelot alpha 3 should be released today
[13:29] <BluesKaj> bregma, yeah...I'm not going to take the plunge again tho ...this one is frought with graphics driver and xorg probs , so far in my experience
[13:29] <bregma> I'm hoping that is fixed in the alpha 3
[13:29] <bregma> expecially the kernel bug that caused me to lose important data
[13:30] <bregma> I'm going to try it on my spare machine, 'cos that's why I have a spare machine
[13:32] <BluesKaj> right , I have an older linux box as well that I might  try it on
[14:32]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[14:55]  * bregma is drinking hot honey-and-lemon to soothe a tickle
[14:57] <genii-around> There seems to be a lot of people who are getting this nagging summer cough thing.
[14:58] <bregma> yeah, it's been running through my family
[14:58] <bregma> I think even the dog had it
[15:04] <genii-around> It's been pretty long without rain here in Toronto, I think that and the pollution probably are contributing. My house-mate's kids all were coughing for weeks until it rained
[18:17] <genii-around> Woo, boss gave me two good tickets to tonight's Argos-Alouettes game
[18:28] <bregma> my older daughter's boyfriend is coming over to make her watch a Star Trek marathon...  coming along nicely
[18:29] <genii-around> Maybe she'll start learning Klingon and going to conventions!
[18:32] <bregma> I was trying to convince her to join Ubuntu Women and go to UDS with me
[18:33] <bregma> maybe he'll have more luck
[18:33] <bregma> he's already shown her Ubuntu is good for more than facebooking
[18:33] <genii-around> Cool.
[18:36] <bregma> I'll see if I can convince this young man, Wossname, to get involved in the Ubuntu project and not just be a happy user
[18:36] <bregma> although if he messes with my daughter, I'll still sick the dog on him


[06:29] <_roanth_> why are the NUMA config settings enabled by default on my amd x86_64 dual core machine  (ubuntu 7.10) ??
[06:56] <benh> BenC: ping
[07:03] <duncanm> hello amitk
[07:07] <duncanm> i'm having trouble with suspend on my eee because my /home is mounted on an SDHC card, and it seems like USB persist is not working
[07:32] <amitk> duncanm: sorry... got distracted
[07:33] <duncanm> no problem
[07:33] <amitk> duncanm: hardy does have USB persist enabled, but apparently we need another patch on top to get it to work correctly. I have that patch applied and working with Classmate.
[07:34] <duncanm> ah
[07:34] <duncanm> amitk: do you have packages available?
[07:34] <duncanm> a ppa or something like that?
[07:36] <amitk> unfortunately, due to a conflict with another patch, this patch couldn't make it to Hardy before it was released. I am working to make it available through a ppa - https://edge.launchpad.net/~cmpc-developers/+archive
[07:37] <duncanm> hmm, but eventually, this patch will be merged into the mainline kernel, right?
[07:37] <duncanm> hmm
[07:38] <amitk> duncanm: that is the idea
[07:38] <duncanm> i'm not so keen on building a kernel on an eee pc, i wish my desktop didn't died earlier this week ;-(
[07:38] <duncanm> amitk: oh, also, it'll be great if you could update that bug report with a note about this
[07:38] <duncanm> i think as more eee pc users upgrade to hardy, more people will run into this problem
[07:39] <amitk> duncanm: what is the bug id, if you have it handy?
[07:40] <duncanm> i think it's 197166
[07:40] <duncanm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/197166
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197166 in linux "[hardy] kernel should have usb persist mode built in" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[07:40] <duncanm> i can post on the eeeuser forum too
[07:41] <amitk> duncanm: there are two things - enabling CONFIG_MMC_RESUME_UNSAFE and the USB persist patch
[07:41] <duncanm> ah
[07:43] <amitk> duncanm: I don't have access to an eeePC, so I am not 100% positive, but the CONFIG option should be required for a mounted fs to be restored on resume
[07:46] <duncanm> amitk: do you have a pre-built package? i could test it out for you right now
[07:47] <duncanm> amitk: could you check on my message before i post it to the eeeuser forum?
[07:49] <duncanm> amitk: i PM'ed you my message, i'll post it once you tell me it's good to go
[07:50] <amitk> duncanm: I should have one early next week. Just add the above PPA to your /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade next week.
[07:51] <duncanm> hmm, okay
[07:51] <duncanm> amitk: can you check on my PM?
[07:52] <duncanm> oh, i changed the wording a bit so people won't think there's a pre-built kernel
[07:56] <duncanm> amitk: yeah?
[07:58] <amitk> duncanm: I'll comment in detail on the bug, than you can reword your message. There is a bug there :)
[08:02] <duncanm> oh
[08:02] <duncanm> okay
[08:09] <duncanm> amitk: i shorted my message and posted it, http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=232684#p232684
[08:17] <amitk> duncanm: check bug
[08:26] <duncanm> asac: hey, i found out about this mozilla bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424915)
[08:26] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 424915 in Layout: View Rendering "Scrolling on FF3/gmail/linux much slower than on FF2" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[08:26] <duncanm> which is probably related to the slowdown that people have been seeing in beta5
[08:27] <duncanm> the package on my SuSE box was rebuilt with that patch, and performance is a lot better
[08:46] <duncanm> amitk: thanks for updating the bug
[08:46] <duncanm> amitk: good night
[09:18] <james_w> Hi all. What's the easiest way to find out what version of something is in l-u-m?
[09:18] <james_w> I wan't to know whether it's worth fixing the ov511 package.
[09:27] <james_w> #define DRIVER_VERSION "v1.64 for Linux 2.5" <- Is that likely to be correct?
[09:57] <amitk> james_w: "grep VERSION" in the ov511 directory will show the version of the decompressor modules too. But the version above looks right.
[10:04] <james_w> amitk: ok, thanks, it's probably worth fixing the ov511 package then as that is 2.32.
[10:05] <james_w> How do you feel generally about -source packages that are for modules present in l-u-m etc?
[10:09] <amitk> james_w: didn't quite understand that
[10:11] <james_w> so there is at least one (ov511) module that is in l-u-m, but also has (from Debian) a -source package for use with module-assistant to let people compile it for themselves
[10:11] <james_w> maintaining two is a bit of overhead, but allowing people to compile if they want could be a good thing.
[10:11] <james_w> in this case they would get a newer version of the module, so it could be really useful, but other times it might be the same version.
[10:13] <amitk> james_w: the Ubuntu kernel is completely independent of Debian. We have our own build system and compiling using Debian tools isn't really supported.
[10:13] <mjg59> james_w: if ov511-source is still in Ubuntu, then it should be removed
[10:13] <mjg59> It's an oversight
[10:14] <james_w> mjg59: even though it's a newer version?
[10:15] <mjg59> Then it's also a bug that the newer version isn't in l-u-m
[10:16] <mjg59> But yes, supplying two versions of the same code in different versions is obviously wrong
[10:16] <james_w> ok, thanks. I'll file that bug if it's not there, and then see about removing the -source packages that we ship.
[10:17] <james_w> just to confirm, we would want to remove all of the ones in -ubuntu-, -backports- and -restricted- (if any?)
[10:19] <cjwatson> we can't (well, I suppose won't) remove packages from hardy's release pocket now, though
[10:20] <amitk> james_w: yes, anything we carry in LUM, LBM and LRM shouldn't be available as separate source packages. And all other sources (if any) should be moved to one of these three. But this will happen only for Intrepid now, AFAICT.
[10:21] <james_w> cjwatson: *nod*, this will just be going forward
[10:22] <james_w> amitk: ah, ok, so you want to pull in the other -source packages as well? I couldn't find ov51x-jpeg anywhere, that would be a candidate, and the package that started me down this whole road in the first place.
[10:22] <james_w> I'll file bugs for those as well then.
[10:22] <james_w> what's the deciding factor between LRM and LBM?
[10:23] <mjg59> l-b-m is for backported stuff from newer kernels
[10:24] <mjg59> l-r-m is for non-free drivers
[10:24] <mjg59> l-u-m is for everything else
[10:24] <amitk> james_w: R=restricted (binary blobs, firmware that are redistributable)
[10:24] <james_w> cool, thanks.  How is it that I'm actually getting that error message?
[16:46] <soren> I mean... if it's in some sort of locked up state, how does it find the time to step out of the lock, tell me it's locked, and then wander back into the locked state?
[16:47] <rtg> it sounds like soft lockup threads get queued. I'd have to look for sure.
[16:49] <soren> There's just something about the state that I don't entirely understand.
[16:50] <soren> For some reason the CPU stops rescheduling? Is that it? So something disabled interrupts and never reenabled them?
[16:53] <rtg> kernel/softlockup.c: this code detects soft lockups: incidents in where on a CPU the kernel does not reschedule for 10 seconds or more.
[16:54] <soren> ...so if it doesn't reschedule..
[16:54] <soren> No, still not getting it.
[16:55] <soren> If it doesn't reschedule, how does the thing that echoes the error get scheduled?
[16:55] <soren> (if all CPU's are in this state)
[16:56] <rtg> soren: I imagine the BUG warning is running off the timer interrupt.
[16:58] <soren> I suppose I'll understand when I grow up.
[22:20] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[22:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[22:20] <|DuReX|> any id when this will get fixxed ?
[22:20] <|DuReX|> the patch is there, and its working perfect
[22:20] <|DuReX|> would be nice if it was included into ubuntu :)


[18:44] <larsks> smoser harlowja : when you're around, do you have an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1461201 ? This attempts to make the check for systemd less dependent on distro naming...
[18:47] <smoser> larsks, seems reasonable.
[18:48] <larsks> Thanks for taking a look.  I want to carry this (or something similar) in our RHEL packages for 0.7.6 to ensure that they work on derivatives.
[18:49] <harlowja> seems fair to me, want to make a branch and put that one up?
[18:50] <larsks> harlowja: well, it's here: https://github.com/larsks/cloud-init/tree/bug/detect-systemd
[18:50] <harlowja> ah, ok
[18:50] <larsks> Can you use that?
[18:50] <harlowja> wrong system :-P
[18:50] <larsks> I'll see if I can figureo out bzr this evening.
[18:50] <harlowja> orrr http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20273368/launchpad-pull-request ;)
[18:51] <harlowja> * http://stackoverflow.com/a/20273376
[18:51] <harlowja> yes i know, bzr is super-awesome
[18:51] <harlowja> and we could really now go through the stackforge repo
[18:51] <larsks> The neat things is that I am using git locally with bzr:: remotes, so I can't tell :)
[18:51] <harlowja> ah
[18:51] <harlowja> maybe its easy then, never tried doing that
[18:52] <larsks> But in any case I will submit that as an actual PR later today.
[19:09] <harlowja> cools


[02:55] <wenshan> hi guys, I have a local clone of a launchpad repository (not mine) and I have committed a few changes (so the revno has been increased), now if I want to pull in the changes from launchpad, what should I do to keep the history log clean? (something `git pull --rebase' equivalent)
[02:58] <thumper> my question is why you want the history log clean?
[02:58] <thumper> I'd go "bzr merge :parent"
[02:59] <thumper> someone did write a bzr rebase
[02:59] <thumper> but as a whole, most bzr users don't rebase
[02:59] <thumper> but merge instead
[03:03] <wenshan> because git uses hash string whereas bzr uses cumulative numbers, and it would be confusing (at least for me) to have different revision numbers for the same commits between my clone and the upstream.
[03:04] <wenshan> but anyway, I'd like to follow the bzr convention, will give 'bzr merge :parent' a go, thanks
[03:37] <wenshan> thumper: I did `bzr uncommit' to roll back to an older revision, and committed a few changes, then I did `bzr merge :parent', however, it returned "Nothing to do". What does `bzr merge :parent' do?
[03:39] <thumper> it depends where :parent is set
[03:39] <thumper> it defaults to the branch you branched from
[03:39] <thumper> bzr info shows at the end what the parent is
[03:39] <thumper> bzr merge <other branch> works too
[03:40] <thumper> if you have uncommitted going back to the last revision of the parent branch
[03:40] <thumper> you can just go "bzr pull"
[03:40] <thumper> instead of merge
[03:40]  * thumper hopes jam explains some here
[03:47] <wenshan> thumper: thanks
[14:19] <mgz> jam, jelmer: did either of you have a bash thingy for displaying the name of the current native colo branch in the prompt?
[14:22] <jelmer> mgz: I think somebody did, can't remember who though
[14:22] <mgz> what's the file you'd poke to get the current active branch name?
[14:23] <mgz> just .bzr/branch/location plus some processing I guess
[14:23] <jelmer> parse .bzr/branch/location IIRC
[14:23] <mgz> ace, thanks jelmer!
[14:24] <jelmer> mgz: y/w :-)
[17:20] <frusen> hi, my friend uses bzr on windows but gets this error: File "paramiko\transport.pyo", line 1633, in _check_banner SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner
[17:20] <frusen> 2.5.1 standalone version
[17:21] <frusen> we are working on the same bzr repository and everything works for me (on gnu/linux) so i figure it's not the servers fault
[17:21] <frusen> anyone have any experience with this error?
[17:30] <frusen> version 2.4.2 fixed it