[12:21] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: HOw are u long time no chat
[12:21] <Guardiann> Hoary is in the middle of being developed
[12:21] <EvolutionR> u usually log on chat this time?
[12:21] <EvolutionR> oic
[12:21] <Guardiann> and good thanks
[12:21] <EvolutionR> but I've add repos to it
[12:22] <EvolutionR> maybe I shall apt-get libarts ...etc to meet the dependecies?
[12:22] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: I have successfully upgrade to Hoary after reinstall warthy
[12:22] <Guardiann> maybe but a work in progress is a work in progress :)
[12:22] <Guardiann> very good
[12:22] <EvolutionR> :) okie
[12:23] <Guardiann> how do you like hoary
[12:23] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: it help me to get my internet connected /surf net...but warthy not
[12:23] <EvolutionR> that's y thanks to Hoary
[12:24] <Guardiann> :)
[12:25] <EvolutionR> I gtg :) bye have dinner
[12:25] <Guardiann> see ya later
[12:25] <EvolutionR> cya
[12:26] <defile> hoary is already quite good
[12:26] <Guardiann> defile works great for me
[12:26] <defile> for "bleeding edge" it feels pretty solid
[12:29] <carthik> defile, wait till you run into a nasty upgrade :)
[12:30] <Guardiann> defile i installed on another machine yesterday that used to run slack its been up running a ircd server now since yesterday no hickups yet
[12:30] <Guardiann> :)
[12:30] <carthik> just kidding - but once my desktop was screwed up, that's cutting edge for one...
[12:34] <Guardiann> quiet in here
[12:35] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> I cant log inn... GDM error...
[12:36] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> GDM could not write the authorization file...
[12:37] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> "GDM could not write the authorization file... It is not possible to long in. Please contact your administratir"
[12:37] <Falco> can i have link of gemu ? lol
[12:38] <Guardiann> GDM-AUTHORIZATIO are you out of dik space?
[12:38] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> how can i chech that?
[12:38] <discord> thanks for the help everybody
[12:40] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Guardin... I think not... but YES the msg say so... I think it is something with the Net config...
[12:41] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Afther I set static ip... I did not come in...
[12:44] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> "GDM could not write the authorization file... This could mean that your  are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing. In any case, It is not possible to long in. Please contact your administrator"
[12:45] <Guardiann> well first ensure you have enough disk space
[12:45] <Guardiann> df should show you that
[12:45] <Nuak> hi all
[12:45] <Guardiann> hello
[12:45] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Good point... Usage 100 %
[12:45] <Nuak> i'm new to the ubuntu community
[12:45] <Guardiann> so your full :(
[12:45] <Nuak> coming from ArchLinux
[12:46] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> How to emty trash?
[12:46] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> I deleted many files...
[12:46] <Nuak> nautilus doesn't work after i few minutes running my computer
[12:46] <Nuak> anyone has this problem?
[12:48] <Guardiann> GDM-AUTHORIZATIO you may have to delete more files
[12:50] <Falco> do you know the link of gemu ?
[12:50] <Falco> lol
[12:50] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Oki, now I have much spase.. usage 68 % ... No error while trying to log in.. It just "freze"
[12:51] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Do I need to reboot?
[12:51] <Guardiann> possibly
[12:57] <isa> ?
[12:57] <Nuak> when i start nautilus from the console, it just do nothing
[12:57] <Nuak> the cursor stays blinking
[12:58] <Nuak> gedit doesn't start either
[12:58] <will> nuak: try starting it in the cli
[12:58] <Nuak> in the cli?
[12:58] <Nuak> i don't know what's the cli
[12:58] <will> in the command line interface
[12:58] <Nuak> ok
[12:58] <will> terminal
[12:58] <Guardiann> hello will
[12:59] <Nuak> i'm saying i'm trying to start it in a terminal
[12:59] <Nuak> ;-)
[12:59] <will> morning!
[12:59] <CreeVal> morning
[12:59] <kbrooks> I have a problem when I try and start kde on ubnuntu
[12:59] <kbrooks> ubuntu*
[12:59] <will> opp im of shopping ppl, see ya later
[01:00] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Cheers for Guardiann!! Thank you for your helping me! No my ubuntu pc works : )
[01:00] <Guardiann> lol your very welcome
[01:00] <kbrooks> GDM-AUTHORIZATIO: funny nickname. :)
[01:00] <defile> Nuak, is this running off of the live CD or an install?
[01:00] <kbrooks> I have a problem when I try and start kde on ubnuntu
[01:00] <kbrooks> help.
[01:01] <kbrooks> ubuntu*
[01:01] <kbrooks> can anyone please help me
[01:01] <Nuak> defile, it's an install of ubuntu warty
[01:01] <david> G'day. I have a problem identifying the tools for installing ISA Cards
[01:01] <defile> kbrooks, a problem?
[01:02] <Nuak> i have searched in the ubuntu bugzilla
[01:02] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Kbrooks out of disk space?
[01:02] <Nuak> i have found problems like mine
[01:02] <david> Well Yeah. I can't find them
[01:02] <Nuak> but no solution
[01:02] <ubernoob> i want to install a program, but the package manager only have an old version.... could i download a newer debian version and use dpkg? Will the result be the same? (easy to uninstall/update)
[01:03] <Peter> whats a good cd burning application?
[01:03] <kbrooks> defile: yeah. upon kde startup it says that there is no write access to .IceAUTHORITY
[01:03] <moyogo> Peter: nautilus, as far a data cd
[01:03] <Nuak> humm, i'm reading that someone fixed it by uninstalling bonobo
[01:03] <Peter> moyogo: nautilus isnt letting me write to CDRs :/
[01:03] <kbrooks> and anoter message pops up that says stuff about ksmserver
[01:04] <moyogo> Peter: warty or hoary?
[01:04] <Peter> hoary
[01:04] <kbrooks> but i have it installed
[01:04] <moyogo> Peter: yeah I have the same issue here
[01:04] <kbrooks> i even tried apt-getting it
[01:04] <moyogo> Peter: I don't know if there's a bug filed about it
[01:05] <Peter> then im screwed huh?
[01:05] <Guardiann> Peter have you tried k3b
[01:05] <Peter> k3b? no
[01:05] <Peter> what is it
[01:05] <Guardiann> it works well or has for me
[01:05] <kbrooks> Peter: its a kde burning application
[01:05] <Guardiann> its in synaptic
[01:06] <kbrooks> Peter: but don't worry it will work for u in gnome
[01:06] <Guardiann> works well with gnome as well
[01:06] <Peter> ok
[01:06] <CreeVal> *getting k3b right away*
[01:06] <Guardiann> :)
[01:06] <Nuak> please, no one has experimented nautilus problems?
[01:06] <Peter> define problem
[01:07] <moyogo> Nuak: what problems?
[01:07] <Guardiann> Nuak not me >>>> yet :)
[01:07] <moyogo> Nuak: sorry I just woke up
[01:07] <Peter> anyone have any experience with ubuntu (hoary) and the ati drivers
[01:07] <kbrooks> errr
[01:07] <llamakc> Peter: i do.
[01:08] <Nuak> nautilus doesn't start after a few minutes
[01:08] <SirFred> gamin conflicts fam in the last Hoary update.
[01:08] <Nuak> if i try to start it, it just do nothing
[01:08] <kbrooks> ummm
[01:08] <Peter> llamakc: would there be any reason why i am not getting 3d acceleration?
[01:08] <kbrooks> gnome doesnt start either
[01:08] <Nuak> nothing if i start from the terminal
[01:08] <kbrooks> no write access
[01:08] <Peter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13216 <- xorg config and xorg log
[01:08] <SirFred> What does it means? Is fam no longer neccesary?
[01:08] <kbrooks> ICEAUTHORITY is teh file
[01:08] <llamakc> Peter: tbhonest, i haven't tried yet myself, just got ubuntu up yesterday
[01:09] <Peter> what acard are you usinf?
[01:09] <Peter> *card using
[01:09] <llamakc> I think an older 9200
[01:09] <llamakc> yep
[01:09] <Peter> ohhh
[01:09] <llamakc> direct rendering: Yes
[01:09] <Peter> using a 9800 :(
[01:09] <llamakc> kewl
[01:09] <Peter> not really
[01:09] <llamakc> wifey has one for sims2. i'm not allowed to steal it
[01:10] <david> Anybody know what tools I should use to config a SB16 Sound Cards (Isa)
[01:10] <Peter> direct rendering: No
[01:10] <Peter> llamakc: how do you enable direct rendering?
[01:10] <llamakc> all i did was apt-get the xorg-driver-fglrx (sp?) package and change xorg.conf
[01:11] <Peter> what processor do you have?
[01:11] <llamakc> older amd, 1.3ghz
[01:12] <Nuak> ok, my problem with nautilus would dissapear if i upgrade to hoary?
[01:12] <Nuak> is hoary 'stable' by now?
[01:12] <llamakc> hoary is stable enough for me
[01:13] <Nuak> i come from a bleeding edge distribution
[01:13] <ubernoob> i want to install a program, but the package manager only have an old version.... could i download a newer debian version and use dpkg? Will the result be the same? (easy to uninstall/update)
[01:13] <Nuak> ubernoob maybe you would have dependecy problems
[01:14] <Nuak> and with dpkg it's easy to install and uninstall packages
[01:14] <srebbeg> this is a really stupid question, but when i mount a ntfs partition, when a user tries to view the files they get 'partition denied' - any suggestions? :)
[01:14] <Rytmis> meh... this is not one of the finest moments of Gentoo... compiling a Qt update :p
[01:14] <kbrooks> llamakc: me too
[01:14] <Peter> where do i get the cdrdao package?
[01:14] <Guardiann> from synaptic
[01:14] <Guardiann> just do a search for it
[01:15] <Peter> its called cdrdao?
[01:15] <kbrooks> pepsi: apt-get install cdrdao on the cli
[01:15] <kbrooks> Peter: *
[01:15] <kbrooks> god damn it
[01:15] <Peter> E: Package cdrdao has no installation candidate
[01:15] <Guardiann> yes peter
[01:15] <Guardiann> did you search in synaptic manager?
[01:16] <kbrooks> none? apt-cache search it
[01:16] <Peter> Guardiann: not listed
[01:16] <kbrooks> Guardiann: he doesnt have to be limited to the gui
[01:16] <Guardiann> yo may have to update your sources
[01:16] <Guardiann> kbrooks your so right
[01:16] <Guardiann> or terminal either
[01:16] <kbrooks> Guardiann: editing text files is extremely easy
[01:16] <Peter> nope, not listed when i search for it either.
[01:17] <kbrooks> Peter: ok. type this exactly:
[01:17] <Guardiann> peter update your sources
[01:17] <ubernoob> srebbeg: try to add "-o umask=000" at the end of the mount command.... it will give all users rwx permissions
[01:17] <Paul`> Hi, any ideas where I can get w32codecs from
[01:18] <Paul`> can't find the mirror with it to add it to deb sources
[01:18] <Peter> http://www.princessleia.com/tools/mplayer/win32codecs.tar.bz2
[01:18] <kbrooks> Peter: sudo sed -e 's/^#//' < /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:18] <Peter> ok
[01:19] <kbrooks> and copy and paste (using ctrl+shift+c) into the terminal
[01:19] <Rytmis> Does Ubuntu store information about installed devices somewhere? such as whether to use ifconfig or iwconfig for a given network device?
[01:19] <bnurmi> where do i put icons for gnome
[01:19] <kbrooks> Peter: btw, ^ means beginning of line
[01:19] <Rytmis> and $ means end of line
[01:19] <Peter> ok
[01:19] <Rytmis> regexes rule
[01:19] <kbrooks> ^# matches a # at the beginnig
[01:19] <Peter> ran that
[01:20] <kbrooks> do you see anything with # at the start of it?
[01:20] <Peter> no
[01:20] <kbrooks> good
[01:20] <Guardiann> hmmm
[01:21] <llamakc> bnurmi: ~/.icons
[01:22] <kbrooks> if it's not blank, copy and paste that (select the file, and ctrl+shift+c, then open up your fav text editor and point it to /etc/apt/sources.list and press ctrl+v)
[01:22] <kbrooks> or you can edit > copy etc
[01:23] <Guardiann> peter take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org  explains how to add more as well
[01:23] <Peter> ok
[01:23] <Peter> done that
[01:23] <kbrooks> Peter: and comment any line that contains 'deb cdrom'; you dont want those
[01:24] <Peter> yep
[01:26] <kbrooks> Peter: and don't add to the sources.list; rather clear it and paste (clear: edit > select all; and press delete)
[01:26] <llamakc> the installer should prompt whether or not the user is gonna use the deb cdrom
[01:26] <Peter> i edited the sources.list
[01:26] <kbrooks> Peter: and then save it. after you have saved it, do: apt-get update && apt-get install pkg
[01:27] <kbrooks> where pkg is the package you want to install.
[01:27] <Peter> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:27] <Peter> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[01:27] <Peter> oh
[01:28] <Guardiann> :)
[01:28] <Peter> same error even wiith sudo
[01:28] <llamakc> is synaptic running peter?
[01:28] <kbrooks> Peter: close it
[01:29] <Peter> it isnt
[01:29] <kbrooks> ps aux | grep (apt-get|dpkg)
[01:31] <socketbind> howdy, is there any way to make a warty ubuntu to not install grub into the mbr? instead to the root partition?
[01:31] <hOnki> schnen guten morgen..
[01:32] <hOnki> ich hab grad mal das forum durchsucht und nach einer lsung gesucht wie man ubuntu von der liveCD installiert
[01:32] <hOnki> kann mir da einer helfen? hab nichts gefunden...
[01:32] <hOnki> <- absoluter linux anfnger
[01:32] <socketbind> howdy, is there any way to make a warty ubuntu to not install grub into the mbr? instead to the root partition?
[01:32] <kbrooks_> ;)
[01:32] <housetier> hOnki, in #ubuntu-de gehts bestimmt besser :)
[01:32] <kbrooks_> :P
[01:33] <hOnki> mmpf ;)
[01:33] <socketbind> any idea?
[01:33] <kbrooks> Peter: are u there
[01:34] <kbrooks> ps aux | grep (apt-get|dpkg) <--- run that
[01:34] <ubernoob> socketbind: yes, you can choose that when you install
[01:34] <Lovechild> hOnki, please this is an english channel
[01:34] <socketbind> ubernoob: if I choose to partition by hand?
[01:35] <socketbind> it wouldn't be a problem for me but if I choose that would it ask it?
[01:35] <ubernoob> after you are done setting up the partitions (either manuel or auto) you are ask where to install grup
[01:35] <ubernoob> grub
[01:36] <socketbind> well I installed ubuntu in qemu, and I didn't had the time to finish it, but till it started to install the core system it didn't asked me to where to put it
[01:36] <socketbind> is it there, someway after that?
[01:37] <socketbind> i had read some reviews about ubuntu and it said that it doesn't asks to where install the bootloader, but if you say so I'll try it
[01:37] <marcin_ant> hello I have strange problem - I want to use MiscFixed font on gnome-terminal - but this font isn't available on list - what can I do to enable this?
[01:38] <socketbind> to restore the original lilo bootloader would take just 2 minutes so it can't make too many damage I guess :D
[01:39] <ubernoob> i was at least asked where to install grub
[01:39] <socketbind> I hope so I'll will be too :D
[01:39] <ubernoob> but read carefully.... if you just press enter, it will overwrite the mbr
[01:39] <socketbind> i have a mandrake by now and i want an ubuntu too
[01:40] <Hwolf> socketbind, get yourself a download. :-)
[01:40] <CreeVal> Anyone know when the pressed CD's will ship?
[01:40] <socketbind> what do you mean?:D i've downloaded warty-release-install-i386.iso :D
[01:41] <Guardiann> CreeVal apparently many have got them allready
[01:41] <CreeVal> wierd...
[01:41] <CreeVal> Well i am in Norway so it might take a while...
[01:43] <Guardiann> yeah i got mine off of a linux magazine
[01:44] <CreeVal> Hmm... I'll just have to wait and see... It dosent matter when i get it really, it's not like im depended on them to install Ubuntu, but it sure will look better than the CD-R i have with it now...
[01:45] <benjami> hi
[01:45] <CreeVal> god day
[01:45] <benjami> my gnome doesnt start (hoary)
[01:46] <benjami> i just see the golden screen
[01:46] <benjami> after the gdm login
[01:46] <CreeVal> Hmmm... Well im out... :S
[01:46] <benjami> youre out?
[01:47] <CreeVal> yeah, i dont know what the reason is...
[01:47] <CreeVal> a.k.a. im out...
[01:47] <benjami> ah ok
[01:48] <benjami> but you can stay
[01:48] <CreeVal> hehe...
[01:49] <benjami> and the other 327 ^^
[01:50] <llamakc> who woke me?
[01:50] <llamakc> what up benjami
[01:50] <benjami> it was Crane
[01:50] <benjami> ....my gnome doesnt start ^^
[01:51] <llamakc> ok. gdm works, right?
[01:51] <benjami> yap
[01:51] <llamakc> what'd you do last
[01:52] <marcin_ant> ok - again how to add misc-fixed font as pango font?
[01:52] <Peter> cant be bothered with ubuntu, the two things i need working doen :|
[01:52] <Peter> dont
[01:52] <Peter> erm, wrong #
[01:52] <benjami> i installed hoary array 3 ...gnome worked fine...
[01:52] <benjami> then i did an upgrade...
[01:53] <llamakc> try restarting gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:53] <socketbind> oh yes, does ubuntu install devel pacakges or they absolutely doesn't fit on 1CD?
[01:53] <socketbind> i would need glib, gtk and such
[01:53] <socketbind> sdl, etc..
[01:53] <benjami> llamakc, i restarted it hundred times
[01:53] <llamakc> k
[01:53] <benjami> icewm starts...
[01:53] <llamakc> how about going to a console and re-running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <llamakc> there was a fam/gamin conflict i believe
[01:54] <benjami> already done
[01:54] <llamakc> well damn
[01:54] <Slaven> Hm.
[01:54] <llamakc> did array 3 have xorg or xfree?
[01:54] <benjami> xorg
[01:55] <llamakc> do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:55] <Slaven> Is there some way installing fonts WITHOUT restarting X? ;)
[01:55] <llamakc> and try starting X from the cli
[01:55] <benjami> cli?
[01:55] <llamakc> command line
[01:55] <benjami> ah ok :)
[01:55] <llamakc> that way when it fails you should get some error
[01:55] <llamakc> also look in /var/log/gdm/ for an error
[01:55] <benjami> ok, cu
[01:56] <llamakc> me too. time for coffee & cake
[01:59] <Peter> could i burn ubuntu onto a dvd and use that rather than a cdr?
[01:59] <CreeVal> I guess... But wouldn't that be a bit pointless???
[02:00] <Peter> no
[02:00] <CreeVal> ...
[02:00] <Peter> what?
[02:01] <CreeVal> Nothing, its just that Ubuntu take about 1 CD-R and a DVD has about 4.7 GB space...
[02:01] <CreeVal> Alot of space wasted...
[02:01] <CreeVal> But hey its your DVD-R/+R
[02:01] <benjami> just something like that: Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[02:01] <jdub> Peter: there will be DVD images of hoary
[02:02] <Peter> on release?
[02:02] <jdub> there are weekly test DVDs now
[02:02] <jdub> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <Peter> ick
[02:02] <Peter> wish i'd seen that last night
[02:03] <Edipo> anybody speak spanish?
[02:03] <Peter> whats a decent dvd writing application?
[02:03] <jdub> nautilus will burn data on dvds
[02:03] <Peter> hmm
[02:03] <Peter> it seems natilus doesnt burn to any format
[02:03] <Peter> :/
[02:04] <CreeVal> k3b then
[02:04] <Guardiann> jdub Peter cant seem to find cdrdao in the sources why would that be ?
[02:04] <Rytmis> But that comes with half or more of KDE, right? :D
[02:04] <Peter> cant find the dvrdao package
[02:04] <Peter> lol.
[02:05] <CreeVal> I was told k3b works with gnome...
[02:05] <Guardiann> yep it does CreeVal
[02:05] <CreeVal> :)
[02:05] <Guardiann> but you need cdrdao
[02:05] <jdub> Peter: dvd+rw-tools
[02:06] <Peter> i have that
[02:06] <CreeVal> Guardiann: Done :)
[02:06] <Peter> how do you launch it?
[02:06] <Guardiann> CreeVal ?
[02:06] <CreeVal> Guardiann, no just installed the package you said...
[02:06] <CreeVal> nothing else... :)
[02:07] <Guardiann> ah ok good you found it
[02:07] <CreeVal> :D
[02:07] <CreeVal> brb
[02:07] <puzzledm> hi, new question, how do I speed up the time it takes my ubuntu to boot up
[02:07] <popey> hmmm, after upgrading to hoary, is it normal that my Applications menu has a debian menu, and all the entries have folder icons?
[02:07] <popey> puzzledm, dont run so many daemons
[02:08] <puzzledm> what?
[02:08] <Peter> how could i revert back to warty?
[02:08] <popey> puzzledm, you could choose not to run some stuff at startup, called daemons, like the time updater thing..
[02:08] <puzzledm> i just have a standard install
[02:08] <popey> Peter, I dont think you can
[02:08] <popey> puzzledm, not a huge amount you can remove I'd guess then
[02:08] <Peter> ok,
[02:08] <Peter> time to reinstall then.
[02:08] <Guardiann> popey yeash its a bit odd this upgrade doesnt,but on another upgrade i have the debian stuff as well
[02:09] <Peter> bbl
[02:09] <Guardiann> and both upgrades were done the same way
[02:09] <Guardiann> ok Peter
[02:09] <puzzledm> if you have a seperate hard drive install on to that then transfer your info over
[02:10] <puzzledm> my startup seems to stall on setting the clock to ntp.ubuntu something and network config
[02:10] <scizzo> popey: dpkg -l | grep menu
[02:10] <popey> puzzledm, does it have a net connection?
[02:10] <scizzo> popey: do you have a package called menu there?
[02:10] <cavediver> I need help encoding my dvd video_ts fils to xvid.
[02:10] <puzzledm> yes it does
[02:10] <popey> scizzo, yes, menu is installed
[02:11] <scizzo> popey: then that is what is creating the debian menu
[02:11] <popey> its not just the debian menu though, the rest of the gnome menu looks screwy
[02:12] <popey> like, under applications it has listed all the screensavers, individually!
[02:12] <Bandit> yep same as mine
[02:13] <popey> ok, so its not just me then :D
[02:14] <Guardiann> :) nope said that allready
[02:14] <popey> Guardiann, :) yeah but a stat of 3 people is more conclusive than 2 :P
[02:14] <popey> you could be the same kind of idiot as me :D
[02:15] <Guardiann> :)
[02:15] <Guardiann> probably am
[02:15] <popey> \o/
[02:15] <CreeVal> I cant seem to find k3b in applications...
[02:16] <CreeVal> Guess it's not supposed to be there since it's not a gnome prog...
[02:16] <Guardiann> CreeVal you need to run it from terminal
[02:16] <Guardiann> if you are using warty
[02:16] <CreeVal> ok... :)
[02:16] <Guardiann> also
[02:16] <Guardiann> it asks to be run under root
[02:17] <CreeVal> yeah i saw that... :)
[02:17] <Guardiann> in Hoary it shows up in spplications and doesnt need to be run in root
[02:17] <CreeVal> But hoary is not finished yet, right?
[02:17] <CreeVal> (just a beta?)
[02:18] <popey> right, i dont like this hoary experience, I'm going back to warty :D
[02:18] <CreeVal> I guess i'll switch to Hoary when it's done, but i dont think i'll do a switch now, at least not when i have my graphics working...
[02:19] <Guardiann> Hoary is working fine for me
[02:19] <CreeVal> Hmmm...
[02:19] <popey> oh it works fine, I just dont think its polished as warty yet..
[02:19] <popey> YMMV
[02:20] <Guardiann> and I was thinking it was even more polished :)
[02:21] <CreeVal> I will upgrade when the final release version becomes availible...
[02:21] <lemsx1> hopefully with usplash working ;-)
[02:21] <Guardiann> probably a smart thing if you have warty working well
[02:21] <CreeVal> :)
[02:21] <Guardiann> I am just not too smart
[02:22] <popey> :)
[02:22] <CreeVal> Lol... You have to be, i mean if you have hoary up and running... :P
[02:22] <Guardiann> yeah yeah thanks to jdub/daniels/hmmm and many many others
[02:23] <CreeVal> :)
[02:24] <CreeVal> I just stumbled uppon the solution for my graphics problem... Found this HowTo in the forums... Just pure luck i guess... :)
[02:24] <Guardiann> i installed it on another machine yesterday, which runs a small ircd server it has been rock solid now for hmmmm
[02:24] <lemsx1> this is how Ubuntu/Linux should try to be http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/jobs_NS30_demo_large.mov.torrent
[02:25] <Guardiann> Server Uptime 0 days, 20:30:39
[02:25] <CreeVal> :)
[02:25] <lemsx1> that's just for entertaintment ... that's a 14 year old video about NextSTEP
[02:25] <CreeVal> hehe
[02:26] <popey> lemsx1, yeah, its quite a nice vid
[02:26] <popey> lemsx1, have you seen the 1984mac one with jobs showing the mac for the first time?
[02:26] <_flosch> hi
[02:27] <Guardiann> hello
[02:28] <lemsx1> popey, i see the link in the same page... let me try to get it
[02:29] <lemsx1> popey, for those who want to do something with their bandwith http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/1984macintro.mov.torrent
[02:34] <cavediver> Isn't there a nice gnome program for ripping and encoding DVD's ?
[02:35] <dholbach> hai
[02:35] <EvolutionR> anyone knows how to convert VCD music to CD ? Any guide website?
[02:35] <EvolutionR> Hi
[02:35] <dholbach> does anyone know, who Jakob Schurdak is? or if he's on IRC?
[02:35] <EvolutionR> who's that?
[02:36] <geeky_bodhi> the hoary announcement says the latest live cd "features a completely redesigned system for creating Live CDs". Can anyone explain?
[02:36] <EvolutionR> where can I get help on VCD? which server/channel?
[02:36] <klaym> which distro does Linus Torvalds use?
[02:37] <geeky_bodhi> i tried looking on ubuntulinux.org but couldn't find anything that explains what's new in creating the Live CD. It still uses cloop :)
[02:38] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: the bootstrap is based on our installer, with an additional module
[02:39] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, you mean the Ubuntu installer right :) So the previous CD was based upon the Knoppix installer?
[02:39] <EvolutionR> anyone knows how to convert MTV VCD to CD....wanted to play the CD on car CD player?
[02:40] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: previous livecd was based on morphix
[02:40] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, yes yes ofcourse, my bad
[02:40] <Tomcat_> The new one rocks, exactly because it's not morphix :o
[02:41] <dholbach> EvolutionR: you think you'll get an answer if you ask every *count* 3 minutes?
[02:41] <EvolutionR> dholbach: wat u mean....I'm helping a fren!
[02:42] <EvolutionR> I try to search google ...nothing helps
[02:42] <dholbach> EvolutionR: try   apt-cache search vcd
[02:43] <EvolutionR> ok
[02:43] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so what advantage is in having a similiar bootstrap to the distro? is hardware detection better, or just for maintainence reasons?
[02:44] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: it means there's a heck of a lot of shared code from the kernel up
[02:45] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: we use the same kernel everywhere now, on livecd, in the installer, and when installed
[02:45] <jdub> plus, the installer itself is a tiny bootstrap system
[02:46] <jdub> extensible, relatively easily modified
[02:46] <jdub> why create a whole new tiny bootstrap? :)
[02:46] <Peter> back.
[02:46] <Rytmis> where in ubuntu can you choose if the interface is ipv4 or v6?
[02:46] <Guardiann> hello peter
[02:46] <Peter> hi
[02:47] <Peter> im back on warty.
[02:47] <Peter> so i should be able to install the i386 version of ubuntu.
[02:47] <Guardiann> :)
[02:47] <Peter> and then upgrade to hoary
[02:47] <Peter> and then install the ati drivers.
[02:47] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, yes this makes sense
[02:47] <Peter> then install cedega. and it *should* all work.
[02:47] <hoerl> hi guys - changed to ubuntu within the last two days -- RESPECT to your work
[02:48] <Guardiann> sounds like fun
[02:48] <hoerl> qualitiy has a new name *g
[02:48] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: also, it is extraordinarily clever. 8)
[02:48] <Peter> how is ubuntu different to fedora and the other distros?
[02:49] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, is it?
[02:49] <lemsx1> popey, got the video. 1984Mac... nice stuff!
[02:49] <dholbach> Peter: it is overall sexy :-)
[02:49] <Peter> heh
[02:49] <hoerl> jes *g
[02:49] <popey> you can hear the geeks cheering :D
[02:49] <hoerl> overal
[02:49] <hoerl> l
[02:50] <Peter> Guardiann: and if the drivers dont work... im selling my radeon :P
[02:50] <Guardiann> :)
[02:50] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, I guess no one actually cares about this because the Knoppix derived bootstrap *just* works
[02:50] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, if they do full-distros then it's a different story
[02:50] <lemsx1> popey, yep! it's amazing!
[02:50] <hoerl> afk
[02:51] <kbrooks_> ummm
[02:51] <ubernoob> is anyone using horay?
[02:51] <Guardiann> i am
[02:51] <kbrooks_> is there any kde pdf viewer
[02:51] <ubernoob> is it very unstable?
[02:51] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, does this Live CD has a number (!)
[02:52] <geeky_bodhi> technically this isn't it Hoary right?
[02:52] <Guardiann> its listed as unstable ubernoob but its working good for me
[02:52] <kbrooks_> is there any kde pdf viewer?
[02:52] <ubernoob> i'm about to upgrade, but i can see that synaptic is marked for removal... don't you have synaptic?
[02:53] <Guardiann> yes i have it
[02:53] <kbrooks_> ubernoob, i'll check.
[02:53] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: each is dated under daily-live
[02:54] <kbrooks_> ubernoob, it isnt marked for removal here
[02:54] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so the one on /. was just a daily-snapshot? there's no significance attached to it?
[02:55] <ubernoob> no... it is not removed... it is just switched for an xorg version instead the xfree
[02:55] <kbrooks_> they switched it yes
[02:55] <ubernoob> started to upgrade now... hope this will go fine :/
[02:56] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: it was the first major announcement of the livecd milestone
[02:56] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: we have a livecd for every arch we support now
[02:56] <kbrooks_> :O
[02:57] <kbrooks_> are you joking
[02:58] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, hmmm.... ok
[03:00] <claude> heyyaz...
[03:00] <claude> how do I get apt-get to update all my installed packages?
[03:00] <hoerl> apt-get update
[03:00] <hoerl> apt-get upgrade
[03:00] <hoerl> *g
[03:01] <xinit> how stable is hoary?
[03:01] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so any of the GNOME mods you do go upstream as well, I mean do they become part of the standard GNOME?
[03:01] <claude> hoerl: hmm... so when warty is in there, there isn't really anythign to upgrade?
[03:01] <hoerl> nope
[03:02] <bzbb> if I wanted to delete the ntfs partition on /dev/hdb1 and replace it with a ext3, what would I do?
[03:02] <bzbb> all the data is backed up
[03:02] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: lots of fixes and changes have gone upstream, yes
[03:02] <xinit> bzbb: cfdisk /dev/hdb
[03:02] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: see the new menu structure in 2.9
[03:02] <xinit> bzbb: delete the ntfs partition and make an ext3
[03:02] <hoerl> claude, you have to set the horay mirrors in your sources.list
[03:02] <xinit> bzbb: then mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[03:02] <bebek> hello: does anyone know what is causing this (when i execute "sudo apt-get update") The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:02] <hoerl> then all your packages are updated
[03:03] <claude> hoerl, what do I need to type into sources.list?
[03:03] <hoerl> don't know the adresses just right now
[03:03] <hoerl> but look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:04] <hoerl> must be very similar to the warty entries - just with horay
[03:04] <claude> hoerl, looking at it :)
[03:04] <bebek> hoary :)
[03:04] <hoerl> *g
[03:04] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, yes I saw the menu structure in 2.9 (on the Live CD) and have to admit it's a lot easier to navigate (i am a KDE guy)
[03:04] <bzbb> xinit, type 83 is ext3?
[03:05] <bebek> isn't that ext2 ?
[03:05] <xinit> ext2 == ext3
[03:05] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so that was Ubuntu's doing? hmm
[03:05] <bzbb> ok
[03:05] <xinit> from an fdisk point of view
[03:05] <xinit> ext3 == ext2 + jounal
[03:05] <Riddell> kbrooks_: kghostview is the current KDE pdf viewer, KDE 3.4 will come with an excellent version of kpdf which is lovely
[03:06] <xinit> bebek: 82 is linux swap
[03:06] <kbrooks_> Riddell, can  get kpdf
[03:06] <kbrooks_> can i get*
[03:06] <bebek> xinit: yup
[03:06] <Riddell> kbrooks_: kpdf for KDE 3.3 will be in hoary, it's not very good, kpdf 3.4 you can get from the KDE 3.4 beta which you would have to compile
[03:06] <Riddell> kbrooks_: you can get kghostview in hoary, it's perfectly good
[03:07] <hoerl> does anybody on here has a dell latitude with docking ?
[03:07] <hoerl> just a try *g
[03:08] <hoerl> have some troubles with the sound output over the docking
[03:09] <david__> Having trouble running alsaconf (for ISA) sound
[03:09] <hoerl> do you have a dell ?
[03:10] <david__> no a generic 200Mghz PC
[03:10] <hoerl> ok
[03:10] <david__> off to look for it again
[03:11] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, thanks for the tips
[03:11] <geeky_bodhi> and the bits
[03:12] <ubernoob> sound is always my problem
[03:12] <ubernoob> i cant hear sound from 2 sources at the same time
[03:12] <ubernoob> it seems like they are stacked
[03:14] <bzbb> what option do I want in the fstab so non-root can have full access to files in /mnt/media/?
[03:14] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[03:15] <TenPlus1> Has anyone ever installed DriverLoader on Ubuntu ???
[03:15] <claude> bzbb: probably the rw option?
[03:15] <popey> bzbb, her's my one /dev/sda1       /camera vfat    user                            0       0
[03:15] <bzbb> ok
[03:17] <xvers> hey... i mistakenly deleted hosts file.. can i recover it?
[03:17] <Guardiann> popey i dont even have the sda and my camera gets picked up
[03:17] <popey> to be honest, that was on a debian box
[03:17] <popey> and i mount it as a mass storage device
[03:17] <Guardiann> ah
[03:19] <xvers> how can i recover hosts file or is there somewhere i can get the default hosts file?
[03:19] <bzbb> thanks
[03:20] <TenPlus1> How good is Ubuntu's wi-fi support ???
[03:20] <giard> TenPlus1: pretty good
[03:20] <popey> TenPlus1, I just put my wireless card in and it "Just Worked (tm)"
[03:20] <SackeR> Tenplus1, What wireless card do you have?
[03:20] <TenPlus1> popey: which card do you have....  mines is an Asus wl-138g and it doesnt work
[03:21] <popey> mine is a pcmcia orinoco
[03:21] <claude> xvers: there are plenty of hosts examples on the net, google is your friend
[03:21] <TenPlus1> I'm trying to mess around with DriverLoader to see if I can get the windows driver to work under Ubuntu...
[03:21] <david__> does anybody know where alsaconfs functionality lives on Ubuntu
[03:21] <popey> TenPlus1, have you used ndiswrapper?
[03:21] <xvers> thanks claude.. ill search again
[03:21] <TenPlus1> what's ndiswrapper ?
[03:22] <claude> TenPlus1, it's a driver wrapper that'll load windows ndis drivers i bsd/linux
[03:22] <popey> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/&e=9901
[03:22] <xerxes1358> hello
[03:22] <popey> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[03:22] <TenPlus1> kewlness... thx for that... will give it a go :)
[03:24] <bzbb> ah, nothing like copying 29 gigabytes
[03:24] <claude> copying 30 gigabytes
[03:24] <bzbb> its slightly different
[03:24] <popey> there is.. copying 28.9 gigabytes, thats *very* like copying 29 gigabytes
[03:25] <bzbb> ext3 looks to be faster than ntfs
[03:25] <popey> at reads or writes?
[03:26] <puzzledm> you know you have a cd track that you rip and encode so you can listen to it on your computer whenever you want ....
[03:26] <SackeR> TenPlus1, In the Cards that work with Ndiswrapper the 138g is listed
[03:26] <claude> who cares, the two FS's aren't meant fot the same audience
[03:26] <puzzledm> ... can you do the same with dvds?
[03:26] <bzbb> well, when I copied 29 gigs from ntfs to ext3 it averaged about 5 MB/s
[03:26] <puzzledm> I have simpsons episodes on DVD that I want to have as a file on my computer to watch whenever I want what would you suggest
[03:26] <bzbb> going from ext3 to ext3, its averaging between 7 and 10
[03:27] <popey> bzbb, same/different disk? same/different controller? there's a few variables in there..
[03:28] <bzbb> the same 2 disks
[03:28] <puzzledm> anyone?
[03:28] <bzbb> the disk that was NTFS is now ext3
[03:30] <Rytmis> it could be the ntfs driver though
[03:32] <bzbb> it feels good to have all those files on a proper FS
[03:32] <bzbb> this completes my migration from windows
[03:32] <ndazza> hi! i've just installed warty on a dell laptop and am now trying to get an external cd burner working with it. I can play audio CDs on it but nothing else... would re-installing with the burner plugged in and switched on solve this problem? I have no problems doing this at this stage
[03:32] <claude> ntfs is a pretty good FS methinks. it's very rare to have FS fuckups these days.
[03:33] <xerxes1358> guys I read somethign about ubuntu last time: that it had a project which made stuff easy to recognize: like usb sticks etc.. I wonder where can I get more info on that ?
[03:35] <popey> ndazza, what do you mean by "nothing else"?
[03:35] <popey> ndazza, have you tried cdrecord or k3b?
[03:36] <ndazza> popey, nothing else: only audio cds are recognised and dealt with. data cds aren't mounted. is k3b on the installation cd? the laptop doesn't have internet access...
[03:36] <website> hi to all
[03:36] <scizzo> daniels: there?
[03:36] <popey> ndazza, no i dont think it is
[03:37] <website> can i say to myself that "ubuntu is debian for desktops?"
[03:37] <popey> ndazza, so if you put a data cd in and mount it what happens?
[03:37] <Boohbah> so why is ubuntu better than debian?
[03:38] <no0tic> brb
[03:39] <ndazza> popey, If i put a data cd in nothing happens. I can't mount it using the GUI as the drive is not visible in nautilus. I don't know what device the external drive is so i can't mount it from the command line... I would rather have everything integrated into the gui as this system is for a linux newbie. Do you think a reinstall (with device on) would provide this?
[03:39] <popey> no
[03:39] <popey> brb
[03:39] <Lupastro> hi!
[03:39] <ndazza> what device does an external cd drive appear as?
[03:40] <Lupastro> I need help! I have a toshiba m30 laptop with 15,4' screen. Windows Resolution is 1280x800, but in any linux I'va had the possibility to configure it that way. Can I make it with my brand new installed ubuntu??
[03:41] <website> hwo to help in ubuntu linux distribution?
[03:43] <Boohbah> website: what?
[03:43] <superted> website: check the page
[03:43] <website> superted, i'm looking it on google
[03:44] <website> going to install ubuntu, see you
[03:44] <spiritz> Does any here know if there's a command to show current disk reading/writting speed or something like that?
[03:44] <larson9999> good morning. how stable is hoary?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> spiritz, hdparm -tT /dev/hdx
[03:45] <spiritz> pretty stable
[03:45] <larson9999> spiritz is it a noticable improvement yet?
[03:46] <Boohbah> why is ubuntu better than debian?
[03:46] <ndazza> Boohbah, better installer for starters...
[03:46] <Cyberjames> because its latest have some development
[03:46] <larson9999> boohbah the best distro is the one you like best
[03:46] <spiritz> LinuxJones: No, I don't want to test the speed, I'm looking for a command to see how much it is currently being used. For instance, my HDD led keeps blinking, I'd like to know what's going on.
[03:46] <NanoTek> The question is : Why Debian is worse than Ubuntu ? :p
[03:46] <Boohbah> larson9999: i know, i'm just asking why you people like to use it
[03:47] <NanoTek> Boohbah, because we like it
[03:47] <LinuxJones> spiritz, you mena like swap space ?
[03:47] <NanoTek> just a question of fillinf
[03:47] <spiritz> larson9999: it's been a while since I'm using can't remember what was warty like... With hoary you get latest softwares updates
[03:47] <Cyberjames> question, why linux is the best than on unix? :P
[03:47] <Boohbah> NanoTek: i am wondering WHY you like it
[03:47] <spiritz> larson9999: there's only securty upgrade added to warty now i think
[03:48] <NanoTek> Boohbah, don't know i can easily use it and its utilisation is transparent
[03:48] <larson9999> boohbah for me, it detected my hw, and with debian i couldn't get several things install using debian...but i'm just a dumb windoze convert.
[03:48] <Boohbah> it uses apt like debian?
[03:48] <larson9999> yeah
[03:48] <spiritz> LinuxJones: No, not swap space neither :) For instance on Windows, there's a tool that shows how much a process has been reading/writting from the harddrive. Thus I can monitor thoses number and find out which process is using the harddrive for writting/reading data.
[03:48] <DAPDAPDAP> Hi there, I have a question about the live version for PPC
[03:48] <Boohbah> does it come on a livecd like knoppix?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> spiritz, oh you might want to check out the lsof man page
[03:49] <DAPDAPDAP> Anyone know how I can get my mac to boot from CD?
[03:49] <larson9999> spiritz i'll switch to hoary then
[03:49] <Guardiann> Boohbah for me it has been it seems the quickest distro i have used
[03:49] <ndazza> how can i tell if i'm using hoary or warty?
[03:49] <spiritz> larson9999: you should, moreover switching is pretty easy
[03:49] <spiritz> LinuxJones: ok, thanks for the tip
[03:50] <larson9999> boohbah, yeah, actually the livecd worked better for me than knoppix or mandrake's that's why i tried ubuntu on one of my boxes. so far it's ok but i'm only on the 2nd day
[03:50] <Boohbah> Guardiann: quickest to install?
[03:50] <Guardiann> quickets running, most responsive
[03:50] <Guardiann> quickest even
[03:51] <Boohbah> Guardiann: which kernel are you using? does ubuntu distribute kernel patches?
[03:51] <ecio> hi i've installed some codecs on my ubuntu hoary but i notice a strange behaviour: with totem it plays audio and video but video is not fluid, while with wxvlc the video is ok but there's no sound :/
[03:51] <Guardiann> 2.6.10
[03:51] <Boohbah> larson9999: now that is cool. i think knoppix is a pretty good livecd, so if ubuntu is better it would make a good livecd for me
[03:52] <Boohbah> Guardiann: vanilla?
[03:52] <larson9999> boohbah well it was better for me
[03:52] <Guardiann> it is installed with hoary
[03:53] <administrador> hey guys, just a stupid question... is hoary like debian/testing and wart like debian/stable? I am installing ubuntu for a friend and don't know which one to track...
[03:53] <Boohbah> DAPDAPDAP: i don't have a mac handy but i would imagine it has a CMOS setup program in the BIOS...
[03:53] <cardador> administrador: hoary - unstable
[03:54] <Boohbah> so is the hoary kernel vanilla 2.6.10 or using some patches?
[03:54] <ndazza> what command will tell me if i'm running hoary or warty? i've just installed and i'm running kernel 2.6.8, is that the default warty kernel?
[03:54] <DAPDAPDAP> Boohbah, have no idea how to get into the bios on Macs... Doesn't give you a key combination to press on startup like most PCs do!
[03:55] <LinuxJones> ndazza, if you jsut installed your runnign Warty
[03:55] <Boohbah> DAPDAPDAP: i don't really know how to access the BIOS on a mac either...
[03:55] <Boohbah> DAPDAPDAP: ask these guys: #gentoo-ppc
[03:55] <DAPDAPDAP> Ok, thanks anyway, I'll keep searching. I figure there is somewhere inside OSX itself that you can set it up. The answer will be out there somewhere...
[03:56] <bretzel> Guardian: Hi :-) ---> Can you tell how is it safe to upgrade from Warty to Hoary ? I know Randabis did install or upgrade ( can't remember )
[03:56] <DAPDAPDAP> Thanks Boohbah!
[03:56] <ubernoob> ndazza: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <giard> here's a crazy question: I know ndis-wrapper is evil and everything.  but has anyone tried to make the equivalent for doing video?
[03:56] <Guardiann> i did an upgrade from warty
[03:57] <bretzel> Guardian: I would like to upgrade me too... Need some advice on where we have to work...
[03:57] <ecio> i installed hoary because with warty i got errors on X installing it and gui was not working... hoary is ok
[03:57] <spiritz> Does any one know a way to use to screen tool DETACH then RESTORE (-r) mode for X windows?
[03:58] <bretzel> Is there a guide to the process of Warty to Hoary ?
[03:58] <Guardiann> bretzel change all the "warty's" in your sources to hoary
[03:58] <ecio> bretzel i suppose editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing warty to hoary
[03:58] <spiritz> yep
[03:58] <ecio> then do a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:58] <Guardiann> then apt-get update   and apt-get upgrade
[03:58] <spiritz> :)
[03:59] <Guardiann> yep dist-upgrade
[03:59] <jcoxon77> DAPDAPDAP: if you are still here, hold down "c" while you boot and it will boot off the cd
[03:59] <DAPDAPDAP> Brilliant!
[03:59] <DAPDAPDAP> Thanks, jcoxon77
[03:59] <bretzel> Guardian , ecio: Yes, thanks that's it :-) Pray for me ....
[03:59] <Guardiann> :)
[03:59] <xinit> how do I get to my mixer from oss apps
[03:59] <xinit> ?
[03:59] <ecio> any idea about my xvid decoding problem with totem?
[04:00] <ecio> i cant believe my 2.4ghz laptop is not powerful enough :F
[04:00] <Guardiann> pwerfull enough to ??
[04:00] <LinuxJones> ecio, fast enough for what ?
[04:00] <ecio> playing xvid without glitches
[04:00] <ecio> its not smooth with totem
[04:01] <ecio> but the video is ok when played with wxvlc
[04:01] <LinuxJones> ecio, hdparm /dev/hda
[04:01] <xskoulax> ram perhaps, hd speed?
[04:01] <ecio> but wxvlc doesnt reproduce auto
[04:01] <ecio> err s/auto/audio
[04:01] <LinuxJones> ecio, check to see if your drive has dma turned on
[04:01] <spiritz> you should maybe configure xvid to use another audio/video renderer
[04:01] <ndazza> LinuxJones, thanks
[04:01] <ecio> spiritz: i've navigated on the menu but havent found any options (like the one i have on ffshow on windows)
[04:01] <ndazza> ubernoob, ta that's what i was after
[04:02] <popey> ndazza, on my machine a scsi device /dev/sda1, which i mount as /camera or /mp3player or whatever
[04:02] <popey> ndazza, add an entry for it in /etc/fstab and you can get it to automount too if you want to make it really easy for the user
[04:02] <ecio> linuxjones what kind o params should i use with hdparm?
[04:03] <LinuxJones> ecio, dma support is probalby not turned on your system. Run that command to verify
[04:03] <bretzel> Gaurdiann, ecio: ...And once warty replaced by hoary, update apt-get and then in Synaptic do what exactly ?
[04:03] <spiritz> ecio: on mine it's this way : right bouton on video/settings/setup/video/:video driver to use.
[04:03] <ecio> spiritz: what sw are you talkin about? wxvlc? ot totem?
[04:04] <ubernoob> ndazza: np
[04:04] <ndazza> popey, yeah thanks i just figured it out. device i was looking for was /dev/sr0 (found using device manager). manually added /media/cdrw0 then a symlink cdrw -> cdrw0 then added fstab entry, worked perfectly for everything immediately
[04:04] <popey> :)
[04:04] <popey> good
[04:04] <ndazza> thanks for your help
[04:04] <spiritz> ecio: xine sorry
[04:04] <ecio> breztel: apt-get and synaptic do the same job, if you use apt-get commands you wont need to do anything else on synaptic (afaik)
[04:04] <ecio> spir ok :)
[04:04] <Guardiann> bretzel just apt-update  and apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:05] <Guardiann> damm i am slow
[04:05] <Guardiann> :)
[04:05] <larson9999> updating to hoary now
[04:05] <ecio> linuxjones: using_dma    =  1 (on)
[04:05] <ubernoob> How to upgrade from Warty Warthog to Hoary Hedgehog (Beta):  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[04:05] <Peter> is there a reomended speed for burning the ubuntu installation cd?
[04:05] <larson9999> hope it treats me better than mandrake cooker does.
[04:05] <superted> Peter: a speed your burner supports
[04:05] <spiritz> larson9999:  it will, dont worry
[04:05] <bretzel> Guardiann: Ah! thank you : dist-upgrade that is what I was asking :-) Ecio, Guardiann, thanx and whish me luck :-)
[04:06] <LinuxJones> ecio, how much ram do you have ?
[04:06] <larson9999> peter i burned mine at 48x and had no problems.
[04:06] <ecio> linux: 512 - videoram (16or32 dont remember)
[04:06] <ecio> so.. enough
[04:06] <ecio> but as i said before, wxvlc video playback is smooth
[04:06] <bretzel> ciao, cyou later if I survive :-)
[04:06] <LinuxJones> ecio, you outta be easily able to play video with that system :(
[04:06] <ecio> totem's playback not :)
[04:06] <spiritz> ecio: you should try another player, for instance mplayer
[04:07] <ecio> linux i do think there's something wrong in the codecs
[04:07] <ecio> spiritz: i tried it, it hangs loading the video file ;/
[04:07] <spiritz> ecio: what is the error?
[04:07] <Peter> wtf
[04:07] <Peter> it still wont let me burn it
[04:08] <ecio> spiritz: no error, just blocked
[04:08] <spiritz> ecio: in a console, type mplayer xxx.avi you'll see the error... it might help you find out what's wrong with ur computer
[04:09] <ecio> spir: ok... but i need to re-install it....
[04:09] <spiritz> ecio: install xine while you're at it
[04:10] <Boohbah> ecio: does you irc client have nick tab completion?
[04:10] <ecio> Boohbah, yes but i dont use it too much :)
[04:10] <Boohbah> hehe ;)
[04:10] <Guardiann> peter you still cant burn?
[04:10] <Peter> nope
[04:10] <Peter> :/
[04:11] <Guardiann> with k3b?
[04:11] <eddie303> I have my firewall configured with FireStarter, but it messes up all active terminals with logging, how can I solve this?
[04:11] <Peter> no, with natilus.
[04:11] <Boohbah> Peter: what distro are you using now?
[04:11] <Peter> im trying to burn it with 'cdrecord' too.
[04:11] <Peter> ubuntu warty
[04:11] <Guardiann> ah ok
[04:11] <ecio> spiritz, can i install gxine?
[04:11] <Boohbah> Peter: i was having problems with 2.6.10 and cdrecord, i use gentoo
[04:12] <Peter> whats the command to display your kernel version?
[04:12] <Boohbah> warty uses 2.6.8 kernel?
[04:12] <claude> uname -a
[04:12] <Boohbah> uname -a
[04:12] <Peter> hmm
[04:12] <Peter> Linux ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:12] <claude> should give you all info
[04:12] <Boohbah> uname -r
[04:13] <Boohbah> is just the version
[04:13] <ecio> i have 2.6.10-2-i386, is it worth a recompile in order to have a i686 kernel?
[04:13] <Peter> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic
[04:13] <Peter> time to upgrade i guess?
[04:13] <LinuxJones> ecio, there are pre-built i686 kernels available
[04:13] <Guardiann> :)
[04:13] <Boohbah> ecio: i would... that is pretty unoptimized, built with i386 flags
[04:14] <ecio> linux but recompiling i could choose only with i need
[04:14] <Boohbah> ecio: oh, i like to compile ;)
[04:14] <ecio> i.e. im running on a laptop, dont need raid or smp
[04:14] <Peter> has anyone used cdrecord?
[04:14] <LinuxJones> ecio, apt-get install linux-image-686, reboot
[04:14] <Boohbah> Peter: yes
[04:14] <ecio> Boohbah, so go for gentoo, you'll have enough fun for your days (and your nights :D)
[04:15] <Boohbah> ecio: i have been a gentoo user for three years ;)
[04:15] <Boohbah> and i still haven't found anything that i like more
[04:15] <Peter> Boohbah: how do you tell it which drive to use?
[04:16] <Boohbah> i used redhat and slack before that
[04:16] <no0tic> brb
[04:16] <Boohbah> Peter: first, you read the manual... 'man cdrecord'
[04:16] <Peter> hehe
[04:16] <ecio> Boohbah, i tried vidalinux and it looked quite minimalist but fast.... the fact is that it didnt detect my audioboard and my wifi so i tried ubuntu :)
[04:16] <llun_ved> Boohbah, I use both Slackware and Ubuntu
[04:17] <eddie303> I have my firewall configured with FireStarter, but it messes up all active terminals with logging, how can I get rid of log messages on the active console?
[04:17] <Boohbah> Peter: try 'cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus'
[04:17] <ecio> as soon as i saw the ubuntu installer finding and using my ornico i thought "ok, this distro would last  on my laptop for more than 1day" :D
[04:17] <shadow^NINCS> somebody knows how to boot ubuntu live cd from image file... how do i do that
[04:17] <shadow^NINCS> ??
[04:17] <Boohbah> shadow^m: mount it as an iso filesystem
[04:18] <ecio> Boohbah, but then you cant boot it
[04:18] <no0tic> where is email check applet in hoary? I can't find it...
[04:18] <ecio> you can boot it on vmware or similar sw
[04:18] <Boohbah> shadow^m: you want to run it in an emulator, like vmware?
[04:18] <Boohbah> ecio: so the hw detection is better than knoppix?
[04:18] <ecio> with vmware on windows, you dont need to mount the iso, just configure vmware in order to use it
[04:19] <ecio> Boohbah, where? shouldnt ubuntu use the same knoppix approach?
[04:19] <Boohbah> gentoo livecds have always been kinda flakey... but they're using a new livecd building tool called catalyst
[04:19] <shadow^m> i have a live cd but my cdrom is slow and i read that it can boot from an imagefile to...
[04:19] <shadow^m> so what do i have to do
[04:19] <shadow^m> ?
[04:20] <Peter> where is the config file which lists your drives?
[04:20] <giard> anyone know why ubuntu doesn't use gstereamer-ffmpeg?
[04:20] <defile>  /etc/fstab
[04:20] <Boohbah> shadow^m: well... where did you read that?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> yea - Ubuntu Install just may of killed my windows install. *sigh*
[04:20] <Peter> would fdisk -l show optical drives too?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> got windows on a SATA Raid. and Linux on a IDE drive. aparently grub is confused.
[04:21] <Boohbah> Dr_willis: did it overwrite the master bood record?
[04:21] <shadow^m> at boot
[04:21] <eddie303> shadow^m, priv pls.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Boohbah, its stoping at grub .
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[04:21] <ecio> spiritz, i tried with xine, video is ok (like in wxvlc) (using ffdshow) ma no sound as in wxvlc :(
[04:21] <Boohbah> Dr_willis: sounds like a grub.conf error
[04:21] <Dr_willis> not sure what to do with it now. Lol.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i want to be able to dual boot the thing. but its not even going to the full grub menu
[04:22] <Peter> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:22] <Dr_willis> Grub Loading Please wait... Press Esc to enter the Meny .. 2.
[04:22] <Peter> does that look about right for an ide cd writer?
[04:22] <ndazza> Peter, fine for a cd reader...
[04:22] <Dr_willis> esc - does nothing. :(
[04:23] <Peter> ndazza: would it need to be different for a writer?
[04:23] <claude> ro to rw
[04:23] <Peter> !!
[04:23] <Dr_willis> this is an amd64 system also.. but i dident use the amd64 ubuntu.
[04:23] <ndazza> Peter, optical drives under linux are generally treated as scsi drives
[04:23] <Dr_willis> if there is one. :P
[04:23] <Peter> ndazza: ahhh.
[04:24] <ndazza> Peter, try adding a parameter to the boot time parameters, something like hdd=ide-scsi
[04:24] <Peter> so just swap ro to rw, and it should be right?
[04:24] <ndazza> i don't know how to do that with grub tho, i'm a lilo user...
[04:24] <ndazza> any grub experts know how to do that?
[04:24] <darksatanic> Peter: Actaully, that's not entirely true. The IDE/SCSI layer for optical drives is deprecated with 2.6 kernels.
[04:24] <darksatanic> ndazza: It shouldn't be necessary with a 2.6 kernel.
[04:26] <darksatanic> Peter: The fstab line you pasted a couple of minutes ago is fine for a CD/DVD writer.
[04:26] <ndazza> darksatanic, so dev=/dev/hdd to cdrecord?
[04:26] <darksatanic> ndazza: Yes.
[04:26] <ndazza> ya learn something new every day...
[04:27] <darksatanic> cdrecord will complain about it being "unintentional", but it works perfectly (and is, indeed, the RIght Thing to do)
[04:27] <Peter> but natilus doesnt see the blank cds in the drive, and cdrecord doesnt recognize the drive :/
[04:27] <darksatanic> Hmm. OK. That's a problem. :(
[04:27] <darksatanic> What does cdrecord say?
[04:27] <ndazza> Peter, are you sure hdd is the opdical drive?
[04:27] <ndazza> -d+t
[04:27] <darksatanic> Good question. :)
[04:27] <Peter> not entirely.
[04:27] <ndazza> use the device manager to find out!
[04:28] <Peter> yeah
[04:28] <Peter> block.device = /dev/hdd
[04:28] <darksatanic> Or "cat /proc/ide/hdd/media" at a command prompt.
[04:28] <rjw> is beagle getting into hoary universe this weekend?
[04:30] <Peter> ndazza: yeah, it must be hdd.
[04:31] <ndazza> ok, back to darksatanic's question, what does cdrecord say? :D
[04:32] <ecio> how can i check if X is using an accelerated driver for my intel videocard?
[04:32] <Peter> scsidev: '1,5,0'
[04:32] <Peter> scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord:
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
[04:32] <marcin_ant> hello - any gnome-terminal user here?
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup
[04:32] <darksatanic> Are you using dev=/dev/hdd as a parameter to cdrecord?
[04:32] <ndazza> ... in future paste to # flood
[04:33] <Peter> sorry
[04:34] <Peter> darksatanic: ok, it seems to see it now. weird.
[04:34] <Peter> i'll burn a test file to see if it actually work.s
[04:34] <darksatanic> :)
[04:34] <Peter> can you simply select an iso file and it'll burn it automagiclly?
[04:35] <darksatanic> I understand Nautilus should be able to do that, but I'm not a Nautilus user, so I can't say more than that, I'm afraid
[04:35] <Peter> im not using nautlius? im using 'cdrecord'
[04:36] <darksatanic> Well, you'd select the image in Nautilus, surely?
[04:37] <darksatanic> cdrecord is just a command-line tool. Most things use cdrecord to write CDs and DVDs behind the scenes.
[04:38] <Timbo> is there a gnome cd burning package that is equivalent in functionality to k3b?
[04:38] <lupus_> nope
[04:38] <darksatanic> Doesn't gtoaster do that? It wasn't in Ubuntu last I checked, but...
[04:38] <pw> xcdroast is closest, but that's GTK1
[04:39] <rjw> Timbo, no. Coaster aims to be, but it is still pretty unstable.
[04:39] <defile> lupus_ is the closest to being correct on that ;-)
[04:39] <Timbo> :|
[04:40] <christian> has anybody figured out how to get vncserver working right under ubuntu?
[04:40] <lupus_> timbo warty?
[04:40] <lupus_> or hoary?
[04:40] <rjw> I'm surprised the gstreamer guys haven't tried to showcase it with some kind of audiocd/vcd/dvd authoring thing (automating conversions)...
[04:40] <Timbo> er, just upgrading to hoary on my laptop
[04:40] <Timbo> i'm a long time debian user and i figured i'd give it a whirl
[04:41] <lupus_> you can try coaster but then you have to compile it your serlf
[04:41] <Timbo> hmm, coaster isn't on freshmeat
[04:41] <lupus_> together with gtkmm 2.5.x and glibmm 2.5.x
[04:41] <lupus_> sourceforge
[04:41] <Timbo> ok
[04:41] <lupus_> sf.net :)
[04:42] <colom> one problem:I installed the w32codecs,but still couldn't play avi file using Totem.
[04:42] <lupus_> the rest of the building dependencies you can just apt-get
[04:42] <Peter> whoa.
[04:42] <lupus_> colom, use mplayer :)
[04:42] <Peter> it appears to be burning
[04:42] <ecio> colom apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[04:42] <Guardiann> colom the w32codecs are not for avis
[04:42] <colom> Ok,I will try
[04:42] <lupus_> avi is just a container?
[04:43] <lupus_> or am I mistaking :)
[04:43] <ecio> lupus yes it is
[04:43] <Timbo> lupus_: yup
[04:43] <lupus_> I see ffmpeg is working on wmp support
[04:44] <ecio> i still see totem not smooth on playback, wxvlc smooth but no audio, xine like wxvlc
[04:44] <lupus_> (Jan 24, 2005) Eagle-eyed observers may have noticed the recent CVS addition of a VC-9 decoding implementation. It is still highly experimental but should eventually serve as a basis for decoding Microsoft VC-1/VC-9/WMV3/WMV9 video data.
[04:44] <mon> hi, i just made a custom kernel, but now services appear not to be starting, i can't login through gdm anymore, only have 1 terminal and some more weird stuff happens... did i forget something?
[04:44] <ecio> mplayer i cant install it (and that's pretty strange i installed it some hours ago)
[04:44] <lupus_> nice :D
[04:44] <lupus_> again a lot of patent issues :p
[04:44] <_4strO> ecio> i installed it but never can play a movie
[04:45] <Dr_willis> argh! We dont need no Stinking Patents!
[04:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:45] <Dr_willis> is it ok to install it - btut never use it? :P
[04:45] <lupus_> bwa
[04:45] <ecio> _4strO, i have this avi that should be xvid on the video and mp3 on the audio, so quite common :/
[04:45] <lupus_> I find it normal that you have to pay for using mpeg4 etc
[04:45] <ecio> lupus ?
[04:46] <christian> can anybody help me getting vncserver running under warty?  I need more than remote desktop using vino
[04:46] <rubenv> lupus_: aw go away
[04:46] <lupus_> hehe :)
[04:46] <rubenv> look at ogg & theora
[04:46] <rubenv> free software & kick ass
[04:46] <rubenv> we don't need to license crap
[04:47] <occy> Is it possible to make backups of your DVD's under Linux?
[04:47] <darksatanic> Be interesting to see what happens to Dirac, too.
[04:47] <ecio> christian have u tried: desktop->preferences->remotedesktop
[04:47] <rubenv> btw: long time no see lupus_ :)
[04:47] <MyKq3> does any one here knows when the next version of FireFox will b reales?
[04:47] <christian> yes, but that only works for the current gui session
[04:47] <ecio> occy it should, but i've never tried, im new :)
[04:47] <lupus_> euhm it's not lupus of mono project :)
[04:47] <occy> ecio: heh
[04:47] <christian> with vnc I can start multiple gui sessions
[04:47] <christian> with vino i can only use the current session.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> i think part of the issue with dvd backup is the size of the dvd vs the size of burnable dvd disks
[04:47] <rubenv> lupusBE: there's a lupus in the mono project? :)
[04:47] <ecio> christian mmm what about searchin for "vnc" on synaptic?
[04:47] <lupusBE> yes :)
[04:48] <lupusBE> that's why I put the BE behind my nick :)
[04:48] <christian> i have installed vnc using synaptic, and when i start vncserver. the screen is grey.
[04:48] <ecio> uh
[04:48] <christian> it does not allow me to start a new gui session.
[04:48] <lupusBE> he's an Italian I think :)(
[04:48] <lupusBE> I'm BElgium :)
[04:48] <Dr_willis> christian,  may want to edit the vncserver script. or the vnc defaults to point to a default window manager..
[04:48] <ndazza> occy, home-made dvds? sure! just use k3b to create a copy
[04:48] <Dr_willis> actually it may be defaulting to 'twm'
[04:49] <occy> ndazza: You can use k3b to backup (make copies) of your existing store bought DVD's?
[04:49] <christian> i have tried multiple times...i've changed some of the vnc.conf in /etc, so that it will start the xstartup
[04:49] <xskoulax> MyKq3, http://www.betanews.com/article/Developer_Firefox_11_to_be_Delayed/1107012284
[04:49] <mon> christian: i know the problem from Sarge. i think this is worth a bugreport
[04:49] <ndazza> store-bought? no. css encryption defeats that...
[04:49] <kent> people, on the hardwaresupport section of the wiki, I added a page for webcameras. Can some one check it and tell me if i did the right thing? I think I did the right thing, but I can remove it if it was wrong of me.  :)
[04:49] <lupusBE> does anyone know if hald can detect if a empty cdr is 800mb or other?
[04:49] <ecio> christian: maybe it's pointing to a wrong session (:0 :1 etc..=)
[04:49] <MyKq3> thanks xskoulax :)))
[04:49] <lupusBE> nice kent  :)
[04:50] <LinuxJones> occy, can you use dd ?
[04:50] <ndazza> search sourceforge for a program called dvdbackup...
[04:50] <christian> it says it will start a session on :1, but gnome won't start.  i can get the xstartup file to run and run a terminal
[04:50] <xskoulax> bah 08:50 time for bed ;p
[04:50] <ndazza> you will need libdvdcss installed
[04:50] <occy> LinuxJones: dd if=foo of=foo ?
[04:50] <ndazza> *freshmeat, not sourceforge
[04:50] <christian> but i think it says that i don't have permission to start another gui session.  i guess its something with X
[04:50] <Dr_willis> ecio,  hes right. i just fired up tightvnc - its not running any window manager/session
[04:50] <christian> i've read something about creating cookies but i'm not sure
[04:51] <ndazza> occy, no, that would overwrite the input file... and it still won't defeat css encryption
[04:51] <ecio> Dr_willis, oook :)
[04:51] <scaroo> hi ppl ! does any of you succeeded using your ipod within rhythmbox under hoary ??
[04:51] <Dr_willis> looking at the vnc logs now
[04:51] <christian> you have to edit /etc/vnc.conf if you want it to run ~/.vnc/xstartup
[04:51] <christian> okay...i appreciate the help :)
[04:51] <occy> :/
[04:51] <ecio> scaroo: i've seen the new ipod icon but i have no ipod to test it with :/
[04:52] <ndazza> occy, if that were always true, nothing would ever become commonly known
[04:52] <scaroo> ecio, same here, got the icon, but the list remains empty when i plug the device
[04:52] <occy> ndazza: heh
[04:52] <scaroo> which is mounted by GVM
[04:52] <snarky> hey all
[04:52] <scaroo> (an icon appear on the desktop and i can use it with gtkpod)
[04:52] <occy> ndazza: let me restate that.... "If it's not commonly known, then it probably isn't easy to do under Linux"
[04:52] <Dr_willis> on reading of the vncserver script (yes its just a fancy script) its looking in 2 places forits config files.. i'd say copy the /etc/vnc.conf to ~/.vncrc
[04:53] <Dr_willis> and then start twiddling :P
[04:53] <snarky> how do i get _just_ xorg from hoary?
[04:53] <ecio> is there a good "commander" clone for gnome? (i use total commander on windows)
[04:53] <Dr_willis> ecio,  you mean a 2 pane file manager? :P thers 'mc' 'worker' and 'gentoo'
[04:54] <Dr_willis> I can rember 2 pane file managers befor 'nortons comander' even existed.
[04:54] <ecio> dr_willis yes 2 pane with compressed file support etc..
[04:54] <Dr_willis> ecio,  thats 'mc' :P
[04:54] <Dr_willis> mc is so handy. "midnight commander"
[04:54] <ecio> dr: ok but it's consol-ish :)
[04:54] <umarmung> ecio, have a look at gnome-commander
[04:54] <scaroo>  ecio : mc rules here, but it is libcurse only
[04:54] <Dr_willis> ecio,  thats a GOOD thing
[04:55] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:55] <ecio> Dr_willis, ehehe ok but i wanted something uhm .. integrated :)
[04:55] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: try 'krusader' if you can
[04:55] <ecio> ciao alessio :)
[04:56] <Alessio> ciao :D
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  yes i think i used tha talso.
[04:56] <marcin_ant> is beagle installable/buildable (from cvs) on hoary?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> I'm from the AMIGA branch of the computer world. :) I like DIrectoryOpus style clones. "worker" and "gentoo" fit that catagory
[04:56] <Xenguy> ecio: that was meant for you (what I sent to Dr_willis )
[04:56] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: meant for ecio I think
[04:56] <ecio> Xenguy, but isnt krusader kde.oriented?
[04:57] <scaroo> ecio : avoid bab word here ;)
[04:57] <occy> what's my current display...    (default display?)  need to export it.   export DISPLAY="0:1"  ???
[04:57] <Xenguy> ecio: yeah, but you don't have to install KDE to run it
[04:57] <scaroo> *bad
[04:57] <occy> I can never remember that.
[04:57] <ecio> scaroo,  he started :D
[04:57] <ecio> xen: but i need tons of its libs :)
[04:58] <Xenguy> ecio: Right now I'm on a debian box that runs neither GNOME or KDE, yet I run whatever apps I want -- why would I limit myself to not running certain apps just because of libraries?
[04:59] <Xenguy> ecio: OTOH, if you want something more light-weight, I still use and enjoy 'EmelFM'
[04:59] <scaroo> Xenguy, disk space, consistency, meory usage ...
[04:59] <Xenguy> scaroo: nod
[05:00] <scaroo> nod ? what s the meaning ?
[05:00] <ecio> Xenguy, ok i tried xfce and something else, but i think that tryin to use (if available) apps that are studied for your desktop is better
[05:00] <ecio> i dont want to install qt and so on, just to use xyz filemanager, when i have a slightly equivalent gnome solution
[05:01] <Xenguy> ecio: there is no need to limit yourself in that way IMO.  Run whatever app you want, regardless of your particular WM or DM
[05:01] <Xenguy> scaroo: nod (bob head up and down when saying "yes" for example)
[05:01] <spiritz> Does any one know a way to use to screen tool DETACH then RESTORE (-r) mode for X windows?
[05:01] <scaroo> and dont forget the gnomevfs part : it is cool to know taht whatever nautilus can access, all your beloved gnomes apps can too
[05:01] <stuNNed> hi, how goes it ubuntoolios?
[05:02] <Xenguy> spiritz: sounds like VNC ;-)
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  sounds exactly like vnc. :P
[05:03] <Dr_willis> vnc seems to need some tweaking under ubuntu
[05:03] <Dr_willis> well wait a sec..  i used the 'tightvnc' packages...
[05:03] <Dr_willis> hmm.. i was thinking i had vnc working fine the other day.
[05:04] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: It's been a long time since I vnc'd into a linux box -- I use 'screen' every day tho ;-)
[05:04] <robertj> NVRM: ACPI: device not initialized!, I suppose a lot of people have seen that one eh?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  heh - i tend to vnc to the pc's downstairs allthe time
[05:05] <Dr_willis> VNC i too handy to not use on a network  :P
[05:05] <Dr_willis> i can even spy on the kids
[05:05] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: hahah
[05:05] <ecio> Dr_willis, you're unfair :)
[05:05] <ecio> let the kids play :)
[05:05] <Dr_willis> much better then being Scrunched into their room trying to 'fix' their pc also...
[05:05] <ecio> (and firewall them badly :D)
[05:06] <Dr_willis> or squating next to the wifes pc as she smokes.. and wants to 'see' what i am doing to fix her pc..
[05:06] <Dr_willis> let her watch me over vnc..
[05:06] <netmonk> anyone using pptp with under ubuntu?
[05:06] <ecio> when i start my system i see a msg that sounds like  "MP Bios bug! contact your vendor.... disabling SMP"
[05:06] <ecio> any idea about it?
[05:06] <mon> i changed my kernel to a custom one, now i can't login using anymore...
[05:07] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: I've recently heard of this 'FreeNX' tool (a faster VNC I hear), but received errors trying to connect as a client from work unfortunately
[05:07] <ecio> mon havent you got the old kernel?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  where theers 'vnc' 'tightvnc' and 'ultravnc' out now also - Ultra is a server for windows however.
[05:07] <ecio> ultra is the best for windows
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Ultravnc is very handy
[05:07] <mon> ecio: ofcourse, but i want this one to work as well :)
[05:08] <robertj> would the patch posted here http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40107&page=4 make suspend work properly on nvidia cards?
[05:08] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: UV has an encryption plug-in I believe, which sounds useful
[05:08] <ecio> tight and ultra vnc use a special videodriver on the server that make everything faster
[05:08] <ecio> but ultra is a bit smoother than tight
[05:08] <occy>   dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.6) but it is not installable    Can someone tell me what this means please?  And how to fix it?
[05:08] <scaroo> euh why not using vino, the vnc server wich comes with gnome ? it uses Xdammage to reduce bandwidth use and worked all great for me until now
[05:08] <occy> I'm running Warty Ubuntu.
[05:08] <ecio> i suppose ultra supports windows logon too (never tried it)
[05:08] <ubernoob> I just upgraded to Horay, but now x-screen won't start! :(
[05:09] <ubernoob> anyone that have the same problem?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> hmm texting out x11vnc - its suppose to export the CURRENT X session to a vnc server.  but it dident say what vnc session it was useing..
[05:09] <Dr_willis> anyone messed wih x11vnc yet?
[05:09] <ecio> ubernoob, i upgraded to hoary because x wasnt working on woody :)
[05:09] <trey3> ubernoob: ensure 'xserver-xorg' is installed
[05:09] <mon> ubernoob: i had it too, and now with warty. don't have a clue why though
[05:10] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: never heard of it
[05:10] <trey3> ubernoob: also 'xorg-common'  (I think thats what its called)
[05:10] <ubernoob> xfree worked fine for me, but horay uses xorg... thats most likely the problem
[05:10] <Dr_willis> aha! it used 0
[05:10] <Watje> my X died, and when i'm trying to restart it it says 'GLcore module does not exsists' how can i install it?
[05:10] <ecio> how can i co
[05:10] <ecio> damn
[05:10] <trey3> ubernoob: 'dpkg -l' the packages I stated...
[05:10] <Dr_willis> hmm this is interesting.. makes it work about like the way the wiindoes vnc server woprks.. only MUCH MUCH slower.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> egads its laggy :P
[05:10] <ecio> how can i check if my videocard is accelerated in X ?
[05:11] <ubernoob> trey3: i have xserver-xorg, i'll reboot soon and check the other
[05:11] <trey3> ubernoob: uhh?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> ecio,  try 'glxgears'
[05:11] <ubernoob> i'm using windows now
[05:11] <trey3> ubernoob: bah
[05:11] <ubernoob> i know :(
[05:12] <ecio> Dr_willis, i got 120-150fps
[05:12] <trey3> ubernoob: most xfree > xorg problems are due to not dist-upgrade'ing though... (only upgrade'ing won't bring the packages you need for xorg)
[05:12] <mon> ubernoob: you tried the xorg-cfg thingie?
[05:13] <mon> ecio: that means no hardware acceleration
[05:13] <ecio> mon that's bad...
[05:13] <mon> ecio: nvidia and ati modules are provided
[05:13] <ubernoob> trey3: yeah... that might be it
[05:13] <ecio> i dont wanna play with linux, but im afraid that w/o acceleration also video playback and window painting would be slower
[05:14] <ecio> mon: i have an intel integrated, i855 (i suppose)
[05:14] <ecio> Dr_willis, mon told me that 120-150fps means no acceleration :/
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Hmm. that was odd.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> that x11vnc tool. just messewd up my keyboard - had to restart x
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ecio,  yep.
[05:14] <ecio> i have an integrated intel videocard
[05:14] <trey3> ubernoob: you attempted via synaptic? did you choose "smart upgrade"?  (smart upgrade = dist-upgrade)
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i get 4000+ on my stuff
[05:15] <Dr_willis> ecio,  ugh. :P intel 810 ?
[05:15] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: re: x11vnc: too bad; it sounded promising
[05:15] <ecio> willis it 855 or 810 im not sure
[05:15] <mon> ecio: hmm i don't know about that intel stuff... i assumed nv or ati
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  it was slow as heck also...
[05:15] <ecio> it's a laptop, im sure sound is using i8x0
[05:15] <ubernoob> trey3: i used synaptic, but i have saved my answer from before, so i'm not sure what i did
[05:15] <mon> ecio: that chipset probably won't give a big boost :)
[05:15] <ubernoob> i'll try with dist-upgrade
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  better to plan ahead and use the real vncserver - i dont see how x11vnc would let you log off box 1 and kep X going either.
[05:16] <trey3> ubernoob: alright  :)
[05:16] <ecio> mon: of course, but im afraid that being not accelerated is slowing me  also in virtual screen switching
[05:16] <bitfoo> whats up suckas :|
[05:16] <stuNNed> not much bifoolios
[05:16] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: tx for the tips; I think I'll keep experimenting with FreeNX in the short run, see if I can get it to work for me
[05:16] <bitfoo> :O
[05:16] <bitfoo> they have labs? with test monkeys?
[05:17] <stuNNed> heh
[05:17] <ecio> lol
[05:17] <stuNNed> monkeys monkeys monkeys!
[05:17] <trey3> bitfoo: see Jeff's last post on planet.gnome.org  ;)
[05:17] <bitfoo> o_O
[05:17] <bitfoo> who is jeff o_O
[05:18] <stuNNed> Jeff Wakenbocker
[05:18] <stuNNed> jk hehe
[05:18] <stuNNed> Jeff is ubuntu dev
[05:18] <trey3> bitfoo: Jeff Waugh... jdub here... GNOME release manager... Ubuntu release manager...
[05:18] <bitfoo> ohh alright
[05:19] <bitfoo> its wierd that transparency only shows the desktop background and notthe windows behindi t:/
[05:20] <trey3> bitfoo: pseudo transparancy? or via xorg?
[05:20] <bitfoo> pseudo
[05:20] <bitfoo> in the terminal
[05:20] <trey3> bitfoo: eh, yeah... XChat and g-t transparancy is weird like that  :/
[05:21] <bitfoo> yeah, its counterintuitive
[05:21] <bitfoo> at least it works though :P
[05:21] <robertj> the worst part about onboard paripherals is you cant' very easily kick them
[05:21] <trey3> So much faster to type  :)
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm FreeNX is only for machines running X :O
[05:21] <bitfoo> what is freenx :|
[05:22] <Dr_willis> bitfoo,  gotta love fake transparecies.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> a remote desktop type tool similer to vnc.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> only faster
[05:22] <bitfoo> check out my desktop its the new hotness: http://www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[05:22] <EvolutionR> just want to ask how to search for a frens hotmail address?
[05:22] <nightwolf> freenx: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
[05:23] <bitfoo> ohh i see
[05:23] <bitfoo> i dont think  i need remote desktop though :|
[05:25] <bitfoo> i do need a burrito though...brb :D
[05:26] <ecio> i quit, thanks all for the infos :)
[05:26] <ubernoob> trey3: it didn't help i had done dist-upgrade, and had the packages installed to
[05:26] <bretzel> Hi there still alive after hoary upgrade ... But nvidia-glx screwed - GLcore not present.... dunno how to fix it
[05:26] <trey3> ubernoob: what errors you get?
[05:27] <Timbo> what's the preferred way to get the nvidia module loaded?
[05:27] <jpshark> bretzel: have some problem as you with Hoary..
[05:27] <ubernoob> the screen just go black
[05:27] <Timbo> just dump it in /etc/modules?
[05:28] <trey3> ubernoob: umm... that means X is loading... you wait?
[05:28] <cardador> Timbo: yes
[05:28] <larsrohdin> Hi, how can i make a program start automaticcally when i boot gnome?
[05:28] <ubernoob> hmm... maybe i didnt wait long enough :P
[05:28] <trey3> larsrohdin: yes... Computer > Preferences > Session
[05:28] <bitfoo> timbo apt-get it :|
[05:29] <trey3> ubernoob: shouldn't take insanely long...
[05:29] <Timbo> cardador: thanks
[05:29] <ubernoob> i'll try again
[05:29] <ubernoob> and wait
[05:29] <bretzel> jpshark: yes... I said nvidia-glx is screwed: GLcore module isn't loaded at startup of xorg .... nosuch file it says...
[05:29] <Timbo> bitfoo: i have, but the module isn't loaded by default
[05:29] <ubernoob> then get the logs
[05:29] <bitfoo> ohh
[05:29] <ubernoob> which logfiles does have the info i want?
[05:29] <bitfoo> :X
[05:29] <trey3> ubernoob: at the very least, it should kill X if something is wrong...
[05:30] <titoo> Hello, has anybody experience on making the modem of a T41p to work?
[05:30] <larsrohdin> trey3, what number should i choose?
[05:30] <ubernoob> trey3: how can i kill it manually? i tried ctrl+alt+backspace whitout luck
[05:30] <trey3> ubernoob: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the log file  :)
[05:30] <ubernoob> larsrohdin: i think 50 is default
[05:30] <trey3> ubernoob: you can't... until you at least get a curser...
[05:30] <larsrohdin> ok
[05:30] <bretzel> I wonder what sources hoary needs to complete the upgrade -- regarding bootslplash in kernel, nvidia stuff etc ...
[05:31] <trey3> larsrohdin: umm, for what?
[05:31] <occy> ugh... I'm getting the following error when I try and log back in to GDM:   "Your session lasted less than 10 seconds... view your ~/.xsession-errors"   I looked at that file and it says:   ** (gnome-session:5018): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/october/.ICEauthority
[05:31] <trey3> larsrohdin: ahh... nm... doesn't really matter...
[05:31] <ubernoob> larsrohdin: you meant the for the program you wanted to start with gnome
[05:31] <trey3> occy: get rid of the file and try again...
[05:32] <LinuxJones> occy, delete .ICEAuthority file in your home dir
[05:32] <occy> I have no idea what that .ICEauthority is.  I was trying to use k3b was all I was doing.  (it didn't even do anything -- k3b that was, I apt-get installed it, k3b, and it didn't work)
[05:32] <occy> LinuxJones oki
[05:32] <occy> sec guys, bbiab
[05:32] <Scognito> hi all
[05:33] <occy> whew, I nearly had a heart attack.
[05:33] <occy> I've had that happen in the past, and never could figure out a fix for it.
[05:33] <occy> tx trey3 and LinuxJones
[05:33] <Scognito> i got this warning while i boot ubuntu: WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old /dev
[05:33] <Scognito> what is that?
[05:33] <bretzel> nobody can help me restoring nvidia-glx working ? :-(
[05:33] <trey3> occy: you're welcome  :)
[05:34] <Scognito> tried to remove that dir and reboot
[05:34] <Scognito> same error
[05:34] <larsrohdin> ubernoob, yes, i have a swedish edition so i don't really know what its called in english..
[05:34] <bretzel> ahhH! My wife needs me - AFK for 5 min ....
[05:37] <occy> :/  now xine isn't giving me any love on playing DVD.  It starts up, and I see the first "copyright message?"  But I see nothing else and then it gives this error:  >>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<   snd_pcm_open() failed: -16: Device or resource busy
[05:39] <flodin> occy: probably your desktop manager is hogging the soundcard
[05:39] <occy> flodin: I tried fuser -k /dev/dsp
[05:40] <flodin> and?
[05:40] <occy> :/  same thing
[05:40] <flodin> well what does -l say
[05:40] <flodin> err
[05:40] <bretzel> Sh***T where is synaptic ?????
[05:41] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok, ive done that... but ehwn i start gnome i see that the program (torsmo btw) starts, but then the backgroundimage comes and then the program is gone...
[05:41] <flodin> hm shouldn't fuser be able to list the processes
[05:41] <occy> flodin: thought so.
[05:41] <rtousey> i have set up a dialup connection with pppconfig, but gkdial stays in 'connecting to' mode, even though the interface is fully up and i can connect to places...how do i fix gkdial?
[05:41] <occy> it asks for udp/tcp names
[05:41] <occy> have no idea what those are.
[05:41] <larsrohdin> trey3, and the program is running when i run ps axl
[05:41] <occy> heh
[05:41] <flodin> well anyhow, check if you have esound or arts running
[05:42] <occy> flodin: thanks
[05:42] <trey3> larsrohdin: try just logging off with the app running, and choosing "save session"...
[05:42] <bretzel> synaptic disapeared in hoary upgrade .... can't find it anymore
[05:42] <larsrohdin> ive tried that... same thing
[05:42] <trey3> larsrohdin: hmm, thats weird... maybe it just doesn't like being started like that?
[05:42] <larsrohdin> what about .xsession? could that work?
[05:43] <trey3> larsrohdin: same thing... in fact I think thats what it edits when you do that...
[05:43] <LinuxJones> bretzel, apt-get install synaptic
[05:43] <bretzel> how can I obtain the glcore module ????
[05:43] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok... whats weird is that i see that the program is running, its just like behind my background=)
[05:44] <bretzel> LinuxJones: yes I did :-) but it wasn't there before
[05:44] <trey3> larsrohdin: haha... more likely it died... or is on another virtual desktop?
[05:44] <rtousey> i have set up a dialup connection with pppconfig, but gkdial stays in 'connecting to' mode, even though the interface is fully up and i can connect to places...how do i fix gkdial?
[05:44] <larsrohdin> no, if i run ps axl... the program is running
[05:44] <jiekson> anyone knows how to uninstall nvidia drivers ?
[05:45] <bretzel> Please: xorg with nvidia fails because glcore can't be loaded - no sich file.... How can I obtain  or configure glcore module ???
[05:45] <Watje> http://watje.pwnt.nl/x.error when i start x, does any1 knows how to fix that?
[05:45] <trey3> larsrohdin: that just means its still claiming a process ID  :/
[05:45] <Scognito> i got this warning while i boot ubuntu: WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old /dev, some hint?
[05:46] <LinuxJones> bretzel, have you installed the linux-restricted-modules ?
[05:46] <trey3> larsrohdin: makes no sense that it be "behind the background"...
[05:46] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok... but what about that number? doesn't that have something to do with in which order the programs start?
[05:47] <trey3> larsrohdin: yup... simular to init scripts...
[05:47] <larsrohdin> i have open box to... is that a problem
[05:47] <okox> i ve recently reinstalled ubuntu and it goes very slow, does anyone know why ?
[05:47] <trey3> larsrohdin: shouldn't matter?
[05:47] <trey3> larsrohdin: it supports Window Hints, so yeah, should play nice...
[05:48] <melazyboy2> Watje: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig xfonts-base xfonts-scalabe xfonts-75d[o xfonts-100dpi
[05:48] <Watje> k thnx
[05:48] <tritium> bretzel, you should have GLcore commented out or removed with nvidia anyway
[05:48] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok, do you know any alternatives to torsmo then?
[05:48] <trey3> melazyboy2: haha @ leaving out defoma
[05:48] <melazyboy2> lol
[05:49] <melazyboy2> yea or deforma =/
[05:49] <melazyboy2> just use deforma
[05:49] <bretzel> tritium ok but why does x cannot start then ? is glcore primitive part ? ok I am gonna comment the line in xorg.conf and see :-)
[05:50] <hitu> hey
[05:50] <hitu> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:50] <hitu> that shouldn happen right ?
[05:50] <Watje> melazyboy2: still got the same errors
[05:50] <melazyboy2> try dpkg-reconfigure defoma
[05:51] <Watje> k
[05:52] <trey3> gah... those don't even matter... its looking for an X Font Server... (just not saw the error)
[05:52] <Watje> ain't working either
[05:53] <trey3> Watje: X is up?
[05:53] <Watje> no it isn't
[05:53] <trey3> Watje: dpkg -l ttf*
[05:53] <jiekson> I have just installed ubuntu, and I managed to install nvidia drivers, even tough I have an ATI Radeon graphics card, and now X won't start... what should I do?
[05:53] <Watje> k
[05:54] <trey3> Watje: you see a bunch with 'ii' in front right?
[05:54] <melazyboy2> jiekson: edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4 and change the line that says nvidia to ati
[05:54] <Watje> trey3: http://watje.pwnt.nl/ttf.o
[05:54] <jiekson> ok, will try
[05:55] <tazle> hmm
[05:56] <trey3> Watje: yeah.. so the answer was "yes"... anyways... so yeah.. its not a font issue...
[05:56] <Watje> k
[05:56] <trey3> Watje: you have any other errors?
[05:56] <Watje> not any more
[05:56] <Watje> since i commented "Loadmodule "GLcore""
[05:57] <tazle> I wonder howI should proceed to install Ubunto on nfsroot
[05:57] <Watje> the font error is the only problem
[05:57] <Timbo> so um... i've installed ubuntu
[05:57] <Timbo> and then i installed k3b
[05:58] <Timbo> but it needs root to set permissions etc
[05:58] <Timbo> i've never set a root password
[05:58] <Timbo> does that mean one isn't set by default?
[05:58] <trey3> Timbo: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:58] <Timbo> guess i just need to 'sudo passwd'?
[05:59] <trey3> Watje: show me your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or Xfree86)
[05:59] <jiekson> melazyboy2: I cannot edit the file, at least when I am using vim...
[05:59] <Watje> k
[06:00] <Watje> http://watje.pwnt.nl/XFree86.0.log
[06:00] <hitu> where can i find a list of repositories for apt-get ?
[06:01] <Timbo> http://www.apt-get.org/
[06:02] <trey3> Watje: yeah... strange... you can remove the listing in XF86Config-4 about font server though... just so you don't go back to that...
[06:02] <trey3> The warnings are basically saying its already done that...
[06:02] <Watje> i can try
[06:02] <trey3> So there is nothing else...
[06:03] <trey3> Never seen a X log end with font stuff though  :/
[06:03] <Watje> the "Fontpath" line?
[06:03] <Watje> err.. with "unix/:7100"?
[06:04] <trey3> Watje: yeah  :)
[06:04] <trey3> deff not all though  :)
[06:04] <Watje> k
[06:04] <Watje> still get the same errors :x
[06:05] <trey3> The "Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0" aren't errors
[06:05] <trey3> Its just saying it skipped it cuz its already done... most see it... if they look  :/
[06:05] <Watje> warnings then
[06:05] <Peter> UGH!.
[06:05] <Peter> it didnt work. great.
[06:05] <Watje> but X doesn't start with that warnings..
[06:06] <hitu> whats the option to enable 3D Acceleration ?
[06:06] <Watje> i already have
[06:06] <Munnu> no voi xittu.
[06:06] <hitu> ( Multimedia ) Video Card: [ Screen Resolution: 1024x768 pixels / 24 Bits | 3D Acceleration: No ]  | | CD-Rom: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K | CD-RW: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[06:06] <Watje> ah
[06:06] <hitu> there :|
[06:06] <trey3> Watje: yes it does, mine IS!
[06:07] <Watje> hehe, but mine isn't!
[06:07] <trey3> Watje: yeah, but like I said... its not why...
[06:07] <Watje> but you don't know whats wrong?
[06:07] <trey3> Watje: from what you showed me... no
[06:07] <Watje> k
[06:08] <Peter> bye ubuntu :-*
[06:08] <tritium> Peter, what are you trying to do now?
[06:08] <trey3> Peter: great attitude... whats even wrong?
[06:08] <kbrooks_> Peter, tell me. pm me
[06:08] <tritium> are you still trying to use i386 kernel on amd64?
[06:08] <Peter> heh no.
[06:08] <kbrooks_> chat to me via pm
[06:09] <tritium> what's the problem, then?
[06:09] <zhukov_> hi
[06:09] <Peter> i think its more ati and it being sucky
[06:09] <kbrooks_> Peter, DESCRIBE YOUR DAMN PROBLEM
[06:09] <zhukov_> anyone here with the ip2100?
[06:10] <zhukov_> *ipw2100
[06:10] <Guardiann> good afternoon people
[06:10] <Peter> kbrooks_: the ati drivers wont enable hardware acceleration no matter what, we've tried everything.
[06:11] <tritium> Peter, I understand the frustration, but that's more of an ATI problem than an Ubuntu problem.
[06:12] <Peter> probably
[06:12] <spiritz> How can I see which program is using a lot of I/I from the HD?
[06:12] <llun_ved> hehe
[06:13] <jesse_132> [Kinda OT]  ---  I am trying to find a wifi pcmcia card that "just works" ...  everyone I see has issues .. I will pay extra to "just work" on linux ...  anyone have any advice?
[06:13] <njan> jesse_132, atheros card
[06:13] <njan> jesse_132, there's a 3com XJACK card which is a/b/g which is atheros
[06:13] <scaroo> zhukov_, ipw2100 here
[06:13] <njan> jesse_132, I've *never* had any problems with atheros.
[06:13] <tritium> My Linksys WPC-11 ver 3 just works
[06:13] <njan> tritium, you can't buy those any more :p
[06:14] <tritium> But I think newer models are different
[06:14] <jesse_132> njan, cool...  I am setting up a laptop for my sis-in-law (10years old)... with ubuntu ... she likes it!
[06:14] <tritium> njan, :(
[06:14] <njan> tritium, they're all v4s now, and they're a) cardbus, and b) realtek somethingorothers that don't have working linux drivers.
[06:14] <melazyboy2> spiritz: lsof?
[06:14] <tritium> njan, figures...
[06:14] <njan> tritium, the only thing you can do is send it back to linksys after completing the little 'I have windows NT and I can't use cardbus' form, and afaik they send you a v3, but Iwouldn't be sure.
[06:15] <will> anyone have a problem with their ac97 clock speed? mine is running too fast!
[06:15] <sls> bye
[06:15] <zhukov_> scaroo, does ubuntu works well with ipw2100 with wep? Im a suse 9.2 user, but i would like to try ubuntu (better gnome support :D ). I really dont have the time to "play around" with a distro right now...
[06:15] <darksatanic> will: Still?!
[06:15] <darksatanic> will: I thought we'd fixed it?
[06:15] <jesse_132> njan, hehe  that works?
[06:16] <scriptkittie> Got a problem. Since installing k3b I am getting message ** (gnome session: 5041): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE Authourity file /home/isa/.ICEauthourity
[06:16] <scriptkittie> What does this mean?
[06:16] <hitu> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[06:16] <hitu> what should i do ?
[06:17] <Parallax> a
[06:17] <scriptkittie> More important can I fix it:
[06:17] <scriptkittie> ?
[06:17] <scaroo> zhukov_, it works out-of-the-box, and if not, just install linux-restricted-modules corresponding to your kernel :)
[06:17] <kbrooks_> scriptkittie, sudo chmod 777 .ICEauthority
[06:17] <spiritz> melazyboy2: lsof? maybe, with what parameters?
[06:18] <kbrooks_> in /home/isa
[06:18] <scaroo> then you got net applet or NetworManager, both of wich make it really easy to set your network with wep
[06:18] <zhukov_> scaroo, thanks
[06:18] <kbrooks_> scriptkittie, i fixed that error by exactly doing just that
[06:18] <melazyboy2> spiritz: no parameters you said you wanted to see what programs had I/O on hard drive, run lsof, it lists all programs that are accessing hd and what files they are accessing
[06:19] <bzbb> hmph
[06:19] <will> darksatanic: its come back!
[06:19] <bzbb> aRts is hiccuping
[06:19] <will> darksatanic: i found this : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2003-March/000042.html
[06:19] <bzbb> the bigger the buffer, the worse the hiccup
[06:20] <scaroo> Peter, you wont be desapointed, got one, it is great and greatly supported under linux !
[06:20] <bzbb> using artswrapper makes the problem slightly less bad
[06:20] <hitu> hey umm  someone help me out ?
[06:20] <jesse_132> ugh... no XJACK wifi in this town for under $150.. I only paid $200 for the laptop ... I guess I'll try to find a usb dongle ...
[06:20] <hitu> i get this -> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[06:20] <Peter> scaroo: sure, and if it doesnt work
[06:21] <Peter> i'll blame you.
[06:21] <Peter> :)
[06:21] <spiritz> melazyboy2: Ok you're right.. but in fact I'm looking for a command to show which program is heavly using my Harddrive... Like top and CPU usage. Any idea?
[06:21] <ubernoob> i upgraded to horay, and now x-screen wont start :(  i just get a blank screen. anyone know what the problem might be?
[06:22] <LarstiQ> moin
[06:22] <kbrooks_> lol
[06:22] <melazyboy2> spiritz: Dont think its possible without running a daemon of sort, a logging/debugging module
[06:23] <jesse_132> here's hoping they haven't changed the chipset on the MA111
[06:23] <LarstiQ> melazyboy2: I just dropped in, what's the issue you are talking about?
[06:23] <spiritz> melazyboy2: ok too bad... I remember windows xp could easily does that; Thanks anyway :)
[06:24] <zhukov_> scaroo, just one more thing to change the networl profiles, is there any interface in ubuntu to do that, like Yast in Suse?
[06:24] <hOnki> can anybody tell me how to config my wlan0 connection=
[06:24] <hOnki> the connection is active
[06:24] <hOnki> No WEP used
[06:24] <hOnki> correct gateway etc.
[06:24] <hOnki> but No connection through firefox
[06:25] <hOnki> ifconfig wlan0 shows correct information
[06:25] <melazyboy2> spiritz: the problem is with ram to find out what program is using how much you simply take the mem_used_by_progx, and put that over the total_mem, with a hard drive, you want to know what is bogging it down youw ould have to first run a benchmark likd hdparm -tT on the harddrive when nothing was bogging it down to find your throughput to the hd, then find out what program is requesting files capable of saturating that throughput f
[06:25] <spiritz> hOnki: check if iwconfig tells you that your card is associated with a access point, then use dhclient wlan0 or iup eth0 to ask an ip from the remote server...
[06:25] <scriptkittie> kbrooks Thanks mate that fixed it!
[06:25] <spiritz> hOnki: that's all you have to do
[06:25] <bretzel>  why there isn't kdelibs4-dev anywhere in repos ???? it is a reuired pkg for kde devel and can't find this in all sources i've tried ...
[06:26] <Haukkari_> kdelibs4?
[06:26] <MMA[Cory] > Could someone help me with a dual monitor/X86 prob?
[06:26] <melazyboy2> spiritz: Additionally, you could make sure dma is enabled on your hd with the 'hdparm -d /dev/hdX'
[06:26] <LarstiQ> spiritz: and don't forget to check irq unmasking, hdparm -u
[06:27] <mindphasr> bretzel: It's in universe.
[06:27] <scaroo> zhukov_, yes, netapplet from ximian/novell is in the ports. It is a small applet located in the notification area with wich you can switch esaly to another ssid :)
[06:27] <MMA[Cory] > Im tryin to run the utility in /usr/bin/X11/xf86cfg buy I cant figure how to run something under root.
[06:27] <spiritz> melazyboy2: Yes I see, but I wonder how do big sys admin to know which program may be getting crazy and using huge I/O hdd ressources.
[06:27] <Riddell> bretzel:it should be in universe. what platform and ubuntu version are you using?
[06:27] <bretzel> Haukkari_: kdelibs4 ... ok see kdelibs4-dev : but wasn;t autoselected... hmmmm
[06:27] <hOnki> 1.) iwconfig shows correct connection
[06:28] <bretzel> Riddell: Hoary :-)
[06:28] <spiritz> LarstiQ: irq unmasking should be on of off?
[06:28] <melazyboy2> spiritz they build in verbose debugging modules and moniter logs when there is a problem
[06:28] <LarstiQ> spiritz: on
[06:28] <spiritz> ok thanks
[06:29] <LarstiQ> spiritz: but when in doubt, see how hdparm -tT changes with different settings
[06:29] <spiritz> hOnki: what exactly is wrong with your wifi? how far does it work?
[06:30] <bretzel> it seems ... And is it possible to have frembuffer bootsplash and console in Hoary ?
[06:30] <hOnki> i try'ed ping www.google.de
[06:30] <zhukov_> scaroo, once again thanks. Now its time to download, backup and install ubuntu :D Bye bye Suse...
[06:30] <hOnki> i think it isn't wrong configuration
[06:30] <hOnki> my wlan card is not Okay
[06:30] <spiritz> hOnki: are you able to ping your internet gateway?
[06:31] <hOnki> Yes but slooooooooooooooooooooooow
[06:31] <LarstiQ> hOnki: ah, so there is a connection with your AP then?
[06:31] <hOnki> jap
[06:31] <bretzel> While still testing things, hoary seems more powerful than Warty - more pkgs in sources ...
[06:31] <scaroo> zhukov_, you wont be desapointed, i guaranty that ! i would advice you to grap the last hoary snapshot, it is really better than hoary, and is near its final shape
[06:31] <spiritz> hOnki: what is slow for you? is there many dropped packets?
[06:31] <hOnki> response = ~ 15s
[06:31] <hOnki> (not ms! s!!!)
[06:31] <spiritz> :o
[06:32] <ranweb> anyone installed ubuntu on sun ulta 5
[06:32] <spiritz> how far are you from your access point?
[06:32] <kbrooks_> not me.
[06:32] <bretzel> And I like the new gnome menus but there is a debian menu with redundant stuff ...
[06:32] <trey3> ranweb: isn't that SPARC? not a supported Arch...
[06:33] <ranweb> yes sun ultra 5 sparc
[06:33] <trey3> ranweb: maybe try Fedora? its quite nice also...
[06:33] <trey3> Its only real downfall = RPM/YUM
[06:33] <ranweb> debian supports sparc why not ubuntu
[06:33] <bretzel> bootsplash not in hoary ?
[06:33] <zhukov_> scaroo, where can I get that cd? I cant find it in the ubuntu site...
[06:34] <Haukkari_> ranweb: supposedly the ubuntu devs don't have suns
[06:34] <trey3> ranweb: no idea...
[06:34] <tritium> bretzel, it's a kernel patch.  Instead, they're working on usplash (userspace splash)
[06:34] <melazyboy2> ranweb: because debian takes 2years to make a release because all offical deb software has to run on sparc
[06:34] <trey3> melazyboy2: actually... most of Debian's issues seem to be due to Alpha or whatever...
[06:34] <trey3> and MIPS
[06:34] <ranweb> really like the plug and play aspects of ubuntu
[06:34] <melazyboy2> ranweb: and their kernel lacks optimizations and is cluttered with legacy options for archaic crap
[06:35] <kbrooks_> debian should banish alpha
[06:35] <trey3> SPARC is fairly well supported throughout Linux...
[06:35] <kbrooks_> too old
[06:35] <bretzel> ok tritium: searched in description and name in vanilla sources.list: no uplash
[06:35] <tritium> bretzel, it's still in development
[06:35] <trey3> kbrooks: tell the maintainers of that arch that...
[06:35] <kent> Im testing graveman (the cd-rw application) for the first time now. It actually burns my audio cd, it seems. Very nice program indeed! (though making it detect my cd was a bit hard, but after that, its great)
[06:35] <tritium> they're targetting Hoary, but it may not even make it into Hoary
[06:35] <ubernoob> trey3: i tried to wait, but it didnt help. and there isn't any xorg.log file. only xfree
[06:35] <bretzel> tritium: But hoary LiveCD has it tho
[06:35] <tritium> bretzel, usplash?
[06:35] <melazyboy2> trey3: point being the reason why ubuntu doesn't support sparc/alpha/hpx etc etc
[06:36] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: /var/log/xorg.0.log?
[06:36] <bretzel> no -no I meant LiveCD boot in fb with splash screen
[06:36] <tritium> Xorg.0.log
[06:36] <Guardiann> bretzel only the upgrades last couple of days have the debian stuff in the application area
[06:36] <LarstiQ> well, that worked wonderfully bad
[06:36] <trey3> melazyboy2: I told him Xorg.0.log.. which is correct... recent dist-upgrade to hoary...
[06:36] <ubernoob> melazyboy2: not that either... xorg havent made a log
[06:37] <LarstiQ> oh, more people with xorg problems? :)
[06:37] <bretzel> Guardiann: That is cool to have Debian named stuff ( such as a menu entry :-) )
[06:37] <ubernoob> yupp
[06:37] <Guardiann> yep
[06:37] <trey3> LarstiQ: people seem to overlook the daily images...
[06:37] <LarstiQ> trey3: hmm?
[06:37] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: anytime xorg/xfree runs there is a log created even if it crashes right after you type startx or gdm, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or /var/logXFree86.0.log
[06:38] <bretzel> ok I give up for now we got out
[06:38] <trey3> Went without issue for me.
[06:39] <LarstiQ> trey3: do they double as livecds?
[06:40] <ubernoob> i can't see anything wrong in the logfile
[06:40] <trey3> LarstiQ: nah... those are here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[06:40] <ASDF> Can someone help me?
[06:40] <trey3> LarstiQ: although there is a corresponding build  :)
[06:40] <LarstiQ> trey3: and even a powerpc live one, sweet :)
[06:41] <ubernoob> ASDF: sure
[06:41] <trey3> LarstiQ: yup... all arch's are supported with the LiveCD now  :)
[06:41] <LarstiQ> trey3: great news, that is
[06:41] <LarstiQ> trey3: I'll see if the live cd works then, I had everything working nicely yesterday, but today I was so smart to remove some 'obsolete' packages
[06:42] <trey3> LarstiQ: haha... gj   ;)
[06:42] <LarstiQ> which promptly results in glxgears hardlocking my machine ;)
[06:42] <ubernoob> i don't want to reinstall and do all the configuration again
[06:42] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: type this, 'find /var/log/ -name 'Xorg*' | xargs grep EE
[06:42] <LarstiQ> trey3: I was removing manually, since it was a custom rolled dri-trunk package
[06:43] <melazyboy2> err
[06:43] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: type this, 'find /var/log/ -name 'Xorg*' | xargs grep EE'
[06:43] <LarstiQ> trey3: which I thought wasn't being used anymore
[06:43] <ubernoob> melazyboy2: i'm using windows now :( but i have access to the linux disk
[06:43] <ASDF> "Grub loading: Error 21" <-- That came on boot, whats wrong`
[06:44] <melazyboy2> ASDF: We all memmorize Grub error codes on a spare time
[06:44] <melazyboy2> ASDF: You came to the right place
[06:44] <trey3> ASDF: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/271505
[06:44] <ubernoob> ASDF: first hit on google "grub error 21"
[06:44] <trey3> Its even related to Warty LiveCD... but yeah... first reply tells what the error means
[06:44] <jeavis> hello
[06:45] <jeavis> i need help
[06:45] <jeavis> who can help me
[06:45] <trey3> jeavis: many people can... if you tell us whats wrong...
[06:45] <ubernoob> ASDF: your menu file is pointing to a hard drive NUMBER that does not exist
[06:45] <jeavis> ok
[06:45] <ASDF> What oi should do then?
[06:45] <ubernoob> can't you boot?
[06:45] <jeavis> i used Mandrake and i can acces to windows flies, now i can acces with Ubuntu
[06:45] <trey3> ASDF: read the link I told you!
[06:46] <ASDF> post your /etc/fstab & /boot/grub/menu.lst and describe your hardware like below if you still have probs
[06:46] <jeavis> I cant acces with ubuntu
[06:46] <ASDF> That like is in there TreadingSoftly
[06:46] <ASDF> trey3
[06:46] <trey3> ASDF: if you're using the LiveCD... you're fucked...
[06:46] <ASDF> No
[06:46] <trey3> ASDF: else... get a LiveCD... and do what it says...
[06:47] <ASDF> I have ubuntu install CD, and when I install and boot it says like that
[06:47] <ubernoob> :)
[06:47] <kbrooks_> ASDF, BOOT THE DAMN UBUNTU LIVE CD
[06:47] <ASDF> I dont have
[06:47] <kbrooks_> are you sure
[06:47] <trey3> ASDF: I understand that... but GRUB is pointing to the wrong place (as was already said) ... so you need to correct your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[06:48] <kbrooks_> did you order a cd from shipit
[06:48] <ASDF> How I should do that?
[06:48] <ASDF> Yes
[06:48] <kbrooks_> where is the ubuntu live cd
[06:48] <kbrooks_> where did it go.........
[06:48] <ASDF> To my friend :)
[06:48] <ubernoob> ASDF: haha
[06:48] <Rasta> hi
[06:48] <kbrooks_> ...why? :P
[06:48] <kbrooks_> :O*
[06:48] <trey3> ASDF: boot into rescue mode... tell me if it lets you.
[06:49] <Rasta> what comand can i use to see all the partitions that i have on my system?
[06:49] <trey3> ASDF: umm, thats the thing it tells you to hit ESC for... then choose listing that states "Rescue"...
[06:49] <kbrooks_> Rasta, mounted?
[06:49] <ubernoob> Rasta: df or du
[06:49] <ASDF> How i can boot to rescue mode?
[06:49] <jeavis> Hi. I need help. When I used Mandrake I can access to Windows with this path /mnt/windows
[06:49] <kbrooks_> Rasta, df or du
[06:49] <jeavis> How I can access Windows from Ubuntu
[06:49] <kbrooks_> ubernoob, disk usage
[06:49] <kbrooks_> damn it
[06:50] <trey3> jeavis: you need to add an entry to your /etc/fstab file...
[06:50] <ubernoob> Rasta: if you want all (mounted and not) use fdisk
[06:50] <trey3> jeavis: how much do you know about doing that?
[06:50] <jeavis> my english isnt very good
[06:50] <jeavis> wht do you say
[06:51] <ubernoob> kbrooks: sorry, couldn't remember, and im using windows now...
[06:51] <ASDF> So, I have installed Ubuntu from install CD, and when I boot, its says error. What I should do?
[06:51] <LarstiQ> ASDF: listen to trey3 and try to boot into rescue mode
[06:52] <ASDF> How I should boot to Rescue mode
[06:52] <ubernoob> ASDF: can you choose in the grub boot loader?
[06:52] <trey3> jeavis: sudo vi /etc/fstab and add '/dev/hda1        /mnt/windows  ntfs    defaults,user,noauto  0       0' to it
[06:52] <ubernoob> ASDF: or does it hang before that?
[06:52] <Scooter> WEll, I got my other system up and running with Ubuntu Warty 64bit 8)
[06:52] <jeavis> trey: I am in fstad
[06:53] <jeavis> now what I do
[06:53] <ASDF> Well, when I boot computer, there is that "press del to get bios" thing, and then comes error
[06:53] <jeavis> trey3: ok
[06:53] <Scooter> i was just about to network it and realized that samba is not going to work anymore, what do we use for Linux to linux networking? TIA :)
[06:53] <jeavis> trey3: My filesystem in Windows is fat32
[06:54] <jeavis> I put fat32
[06:54] <ubernoob> ASDF: so you are using another computer now?
[06:54] <snowblink> Scooter: scp
[06:54] <trey3> jeavis: that assumes certain things though... that assumes Windows was first installed on primary disk (hence hda1) , and that /mnt/windows is an empty dir...
[06:54] <LarstiQ> Scooter: samba, nfs, scp, afs, sfs, http, whatever you prefer
[06:54] <ASDF> I have about 10-years-old computer and i'm trying to install to that ubuntu
[06:54] <trey3> jeavis: ok... then change 'ntfs' to 'vfat'
[06:54] <Scooter> Ok, thanks for the direction, I will go and google it :)
[06:54] <chippa> hi everybody. i installed warty last night, and things seem to be going slow? like window minimising is jumpy, and kernel compiles take forever. any ideas whats wrong?
[06:55] <LarstiQ> Scooter: if you need to transfer just one file, and it's not to big, use scp
[06:55] <trey3> ASDF: doesn't matter... reboot... when it asks, hit ESC ... choose rescue mode...
[06:55] <jeavis> trey3:ok
[06:55] <ASDF> What is asks?
[06:55] <ASDF> It doesn ask anytinh
[06:55] <ASDF> Anything
[06:55] <LarstiQ> trey3: booting from install cd that is?
[06:55] <trey3> ASDF: then change /boot/grub/menu.lst to state correct correct value for hd(X,X)
 i will be transfering models and textures back and fourth thousands of times a day... when the system was Windows SAMBA worked great 8)
[06:55] <ASDF> How i can change it, i cant do anything
[06:55] <snowblink> ASDF: do you ever see a grub menu?
[06:56] <trey3> jeavis: during boot... gives like 3 seconds...
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: in that case, rather not us
[06:56] <Mystilleef> I'd like to know if the new Ubuntu liveCD has reiser4 compiled into its kernel.
[06:56] <ASDF> No ;-)
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: e scp :)
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: also look at rsync
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: oh, and you might still want to use samba, especially if you have a mixed environment
[06:56] <chippa> hi everybody. i installed warty last night, and things seem to be going slow? like window minimising is jumpy, and kernel compiles take forever. any ideas whats wrong?
 Thankyou for your help, this is very nice of you :)
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: no problem :)
[06:56] <trey3> jeavis: the error means that you can get to grub, just it doesn't specify where vmlinuz is...
[06:57] <LeeColleton> When I fullscreen firefox in Ubuntu, I still see the panel at the top.  how do I really fullscreen it?
[06:57] <trey3> vmlinuz = kernel ...
[06:57] <LarstiQ> Scooter: (rsync is especially nice if you need to sync in two directions, check it out)
[06:57] <Scooter> i will be useing windows from time to time, i have a software package called Zbrush i use... hope they do a linux port soon
[06:57] <Scooter> Ok :)
[06:58] <LarstiQ> ZBrush is sweet, but I doubt there will be a linux port soon
 the files I transfer act as a backup, this Rsync sounds like the thing I need
[06:58] <trey3> snowblink: to answer your question... no he wouldn't, because by design, in Ubuntu, it is hidden...
[06:58] <tritium> LeeColleton, View->Toolbars->Navigation Toolbar (uncheck it)
[06:58] <LarstiQ> Scooter: ok, have fun :)
[06:58] <jeavis> trey3: I cant change fstab
[06:58] <trey3> snowblink: hence trying to get him to hit ESC ... I think that was a bad idea for Ubuntu though...
[06:59] <trey3> jeavis: why not?
[06:59] <LeeColleton> tritium: no, not the firefox toolbar, the gnome-panel
[06:59] <snowblink> trey3: funny - I always seem to see it
[06:59] <tritium> LeeColleton, by panel, you mean the navigation toolbar?
[06:59] <jeavis> trey3: sounds beep
 A friend of mine (Uber GURU) has Zbrush working under VMware... cant save the work tho.. crashes when loading and saveing things
[06:59] <trey3> snowblink: you don't see the grub menu... you see a prompt telling you you've got to hit ESC within 3 secs (by default) to get to it...
[06:59] <Scooter> hope he finds a workaround soon
[06:59] <trey3> snowblink: maybe you turned off "silent" there?
[07:00] <trey3> jeavis: you did 'sudo vi /etc/fstab'?
[07:00] <snowblink> trey3: nope. I see a grub menu (warty & hoary). Out of the box
[07:00] <trey3> snowblink: then you're the only one  :/
[07:00] <shushi2005> Can someone help me? I can't get my wireless card installed properly. It is an SS1021 pcmcia wireless card.
[07:00] <trey3> snowblink: good job.
[07:00] <snowblink> trey3: maybe because I have dual boot
[07:01] <trey3> snowblink: hmm, perhaps
[07:01] <shushi2005> The orinoco_cs driver does not start at startup, but when I do modprobe orinoco_cs it doesn't help.
[07:01] <shushi2005> Any ideas?
[07:01] <trey3> still should have silent though... and should pick default enless you hit esc...
[07:01] <jeavis> trey3: Yes I do
[07:02] <trey3> jeavis: you hit the letter i  ?
[07:02] <snowblink> trey3: just checked menu.lst - hiddenmenu is commented out (not by me)
[07:02] <jeavis> trey3: No
[07:02] <trey3> Or the insert key... either or...
[07:02] <jeavis> trey3: I need to hit i
[07:03] <jeavis> trey3: I can change with Emacs
[07:03] <trey3> jeavis: yes... when you're done with the file, you'll need to type ':wq' also
[07:04] <trey3> jeavis: should be installed though  :/
[07:04] <trey3> jeavis: just use any editor AS ROOT and edit it though...
[07:05] <jeavis> I do the change
[07:05] <jeavis> trey3: I put /dev/hda1   /mnt/windows  fat32
[07:05] <shushi2005> Does anyone know how to install a pcmcia wireless adapter? I need help.
[07:05] <trey3> jeavis: thats not all I told you to put.
[07:06] <jeavis> trey3: What I put
[07:06] <snowblink> trey3: I thought adding windows mounts was in the ubuntuguide...
[07:06] <xinit> how often do new versions of packages get added to ubuntu?
[07:06] <randabis> adding windows mounts IS in the ubuntuguide
[07:07] <xinit> e.g. I see an older blender package.. debian has newer ones
[07:07] <trey3> jeavis: /dev/hda1        /mnt/windows  vfat    defaults,user  0       0
[07:07] <jeavis> ok
[07:07] <trey3> snowblink: no idea... never looked at it...
[07:07] <randabis> xinit daily in the development branch
[07:07] <randabis> warty receives only security updates
[07:08] <trey3> snowblink: I've looked through wiki, thats about it though... seems redundent to have another place for that stuff...
 just download newest blender and unzip it in your home folder, then copy the .blend folder to your /home/user folder... that is all you have to do to get bleeding edge blender working
[07:08] <jeavis> trey3: OK I change that
[07:08] <trey3> snowblink: the person could have just edited the wiki  :/
[07:08] <ranweb> what is that wifet that displays the calender and stuff on the desktop called
[07:09] <trey3> jeavis: good job... /mnt/windows exists?
[07:09] <snowblink> trey3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:09] <jeavis> trey3: I will check that
[07:09] <PenguinX> hi
[07:10] <ranweb> what is that wiget that displays the calender and stuff on the desktop called
[07:10] <jeavis> trey3: No
[07:10] <snowblink> jeavis, trey3: You might want to use /media/windows. That way it will show up on your desktop
[07:10] <randabis> you might be talking about gdesklets ranweb, not sure
[07:10] <PenguinX> i'm using knoppix 3.7 and i want install another distro. Ubuntu is like knoppix ?
[07:10] <piratePenguin> ranweb: umm.. clock
[07:10] <snowblink> also it leaves /mnt free
[07:10] <trey3> randabis: install gdesklets
[07:10] <randabis> I already did :)
[07:10] <randabis> weeks ago
[07:10] <ranweb> thanks
[07:10] <trey3> snowblink: shouldn't matter... but he stated he wanted it at /mnt/windows  :/
[07:10] <piratePenguin> ranweb: sorry, I taut you meant the applet
[07:10] <randabis> blasted tabs :p
[07:11] <trey3> randabis: and gdesklets-data? cuz its one of them...
[07:11] <randabis> yes
[07:11] <trey3> randabis: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org if you can't find it there...
[07:11] <randabis> trey, fix your tabs lol
[07:12] <jeavis> trey3: No apears media/windows
[07:12] <trey3> randabis: gah... my bad
[07:12] <randabis> haha
[07:12] <trey3> randabis: damnit @ you following along  >:|
[07:12] <snowblink> jeavis: You may want to bookmark this for future reference http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:12] <randabis> ] :p
[07:12] <trey3> jeavis: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[07:12] <trey3> jeavis: fstab controls mounts at root
[07:13] <trey3> boot even
[07:13] <randabis> sudo mount -a will mount all entries in FSTAB also
[07:13] <trey3> uhh... sudo mount...
[07:13] <trey3> jeavis: do what randabis said  :)
[07:13] <Scooter> LOL! nautalis sees my other ubuntu system as a windows network :/ cant nautalis log into a linux network?
[07:14] <snowblink> Scooter: samba?
[07:14] <jeavis> I dont undestrand
[07:14] <trey3> Scooter: it sees the other instance of Samba... technically it is a linux network though in that instance...
[07:14] <trey3> jeavis: type 'sudo mount -a'
[07:14] <randabis> Should be able to...although it's probably just easier to set up some exports on your other machine with NFS and directly mount the folders on your other machine
[07:15] <Scooter> but when i click on the windows network there is nothing there
[07:15] <Scooter> 0o
[07:15] <randabis> use NFS, not samba for sharing between linux machines
[07:15] <Scooter> is that commandline?
[07:15] <trey3> Scooter: you need to share things to see things  ;)
[07:15] <snowblink> randabis: heterogeneous network?
[07:16] <randabis> Scooter a very small portion of it is
[07:16] <randabis> snowblink, in that case I'd use a combination of samba and nfs
[07:16] <trey3> randabis: bah... ftp > cifs > nfs  where '>' == faster
[07:17] <trey3> randabis: at least in all tests I have done...
[07:17] <randabis> perhaps, nfs gets the job done for me though...just sharing a few folders between 3 machines
[07:18] <Scooter> this is getting too complicated, I will just re-install windows on other system and use samba.. I thought haveing another linux system would be easy to network..
[07:18] <randabis> how is it complicated?
[07:18] <trey3> Scooter: bah... nfs is simple... as is ftp...
[07:18] <randabis> all you have to do is install a couple of packages, then edit a text file
[07:18] <randabis> boohoo
[07:18] <trey3> Scooter: already installed
[07:19] <trey3> Scooter: its an in kernel thing...
[07:19] <randabis> nfs-kernel-server is NOT installed by default actually...I had to install it yesterday on my laptop
[07:19] <randabis> you need nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common
[07:19] <jeavis> trey3: The terminal says me that mnt/windows not exist
[07:19] <randabis> jeavis
[07:19] <jeavis> trey3: I need to mkdir windows in mnt
[07:19] <randabis> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:19] <trey3> jeavis: gah... sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:19] <shushi2005> Why would a wireless interface deactivate immediately after it was activated?
[07:19] <randabis> then
[07:19] <randabis> sudo mount -a
[07:20] <randabis> shushi2005, probably not set up right
[07:20] <shushi2005> randabis, makes sense
[07:20] <shushi2005> randabis, too bad
[07:20] <trey3> randabis: you rule... didn't even know there were packages for NFS  :o
[07:20] <abusado> hey y is it that Ubuntu ddnt had an GCC compiler? need help
[07:20] <randabis> heh I had to find that out the hard way :)
[07:20] <hOnki> where can i change the MTU value for my wlan0 connection?
[07:21] <randabis> abusado sudo apt-get build-essential
[07:21] <trey3> abusado: apt-get install build-essential
[07:21] <pchansan> how to i make vino (gnome-vncserver thingy) automatically start with the computer, and do so that i can log into gdm and everything with it?
[07:21] <randabis> hah
[07:21] <Ctugha> Hi
[07:21] <Ctugha> how can I find a list of webcams compatible with linux ?
[07:21] <randabis> nah you can have at it I'm just kinda poking in for now
[07:22] <trey3> Ctugha: its faster just to plug it in, and see...
[07:22] <trey3> Ctugha: assuming its USB of course  :)
[07:22] <randabis> pchansan good question...I don't know :/
[07:22] <abusado> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[07:23] <Ctugha> trey3: I guess it is
[07:23] <jeavis> trey3: Ok the terminal open me a windows and in the windows apears all my windows directories but I cant enter
[07:23] <Ctugha> I was just thinking about buying a webcam for my laptop with ubuntu
[07:23] <randabis> more than likely it is...I've NEVER seen a usb camera that wasn't usb or firewire
[07:23] <Ctugha> and do some wireless gnomemeeting :D
[07:23] <trey3> Ctugha: can't really go wrong... haven't had issues with any... not even had to load modules etc... hotplug handles it for me  :)
[07:23] <randabis> err usb camera = webcan
[07:23] <Ctugha> (tech begins to look like scifi nowadays)
[07:23] <randabis> webcam even
[07:24] <randabis> yeah gnome-vfs is a wonderful thing
[07:24] <trey3> jeavis: what you mean you can't enter?
[07:24] <jeavis> ranabis: Ok the terminal open me a windows and in the windows apears all my windows directorias but I cant enter
[07:24] <Ctugha> ok, great
[07:24] <Ctugha> :o
[07:24] <snowblink> pchansan: thing is vino is for a particular user's desktop
[07:24] <trey3> randabis: I haven't either... but just making sure  :)
[07:24] <jeavis> trey3: All icons have the gnome icon, I do doble click and I cant enter
[07:25] <randabis> perhaps the permissions are incorrectly set
[07:25] <trey3> pchansan: checking the "Allow others to access VNC" or whatever option doesn't work?
[07:25] <trey3> jeavis: what does it say?
[07:25] <xinit> randabis: I installed hoary
[07:25] <xinit> randabis: is that devel. branch?
[07:26] <randabis> xinit yes
[07:26] <xinit> ah ok
[07:26] <snowblink> trey3: I think he wants it on boot
[07:26] <jeavis> trey3. I cant enter to the dirctories
[07:26] <xinit> randabis: and it get's packages from slink?
[07:26] <xinit> amh
[07:26] <xinit> sarge
[07:26] <jeavis> trey
[07:26] <pchansan> trey3, i have, but i still need it to start automatically.  Where would i tell it to do that?
[07:26] <jeavis> trey3: I cant enter to My Documents in windows
[07:26] <randabis> xinit no...it started as a sid snapshot, but is way newer now
[07:26] <trey3> pchansan: ahh... then you need a *real* VNC server  :)
[07:26] <snowblink> pchansan: vino is per user
[07:27] <snowblink> pchansan: you need to login first
[07:27] <snowblink> pchansan: if you want your GNOME desktop
[07:27] <pchansan> Ok, thanks.
[07:27] <xinit> randabis: saw that blender is still 2.34, but debian has 2.35 in their unstable/testing
[07:27] <pchansan> Then, if i use "real vnc server", where would i add it?
[07:28] <trey3> randabis: I told jeavis to mount a vfat partition with defaults,user  ... apparently he can't access files now? what could be wrong? (direct answer etc to him please  :)
[07:28] <benkong2> hello all
[07:28] <randabis> xinit then the package maintainer for that package hasn't updated it yet
[07:28] <snowblink> pchansan: /etc/init.d /etc/rc2.d
[07:28] <xinit> randabis: ah ok
[07:28] <randabis> trey you have to set the umask
[07:28] <randabis> should probably be umask=0000 I "think"
[07:28] <jeavis> trey3: Sorry I can enter to windows from terminal
[07:28] <benkong2> how doI get rights to publish my web files directly to /var/www/html directory? I already added myself to the apache2 group.
[07:28] <randabis> so it'd look something like
[07:28] <pchansan> snowblink, What should i have install.  I have vnc-common installed?
[07:28] <jeavis> trey3: Now I can enter to windows from terminal
[07:29] <randabis> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat umask=0000 0 0
[07:29] <snowblink> pchansan: do you have vncserver installed?
[07:29] <jeavis> trey3: Thank you very much
[07:29] <trey3> jeavis: after 'defaults,user' add 'umask=0000'
[07:29] <zazeem> hi
[07:29] <trey3> jeavis: ignore that then if its working  :)
[07:30] <jeavis> trey3: Now I write all instructions for mi documentation
[07:30] <zazeem> does anyone know any other easier versions of linux/unix like ubuntu?
[07:30] <trey3> jeavis: heh  :)
[07:30] <abusado> im stupid and i need help ... how can i install WINE on Ubuntu?
[07:30] <trey3> zazeem: there are like 20  :/
[07:30] <jeavis> randabis: thank you very much
[07:30] <randabis> trey actually I think "defaults,user" should be replaced with umask=0000
[07:30] <zazeem> treyw can u pm me like the best ones plz!! :)
[07:30] <pchansan> snowblink, I installed vnc-common and vino.  Nothing else.
[07:31] <snowblink> pchansan: get vncserver. ;)
[07:31] <Scooter> to share a folder, do we just rightclick on it and change permissions, or is there a special application to define shared folders and files? TIA :)
[07:31] <trey3> randabis: user would allow him to access... I think umask=0000 should be part of defaults?
[07:31] <randabis> zazeem I personally think ubuntu is one of the easiest, but you might wanna give Mandrake, SUSE, and Fedora a try
[07:31] <trey3> randabis: its working, so idk  :/
[07:31] <zazeem> trey3, is there a site where i can find these versions?
[07:31] <abusado> im stupid and i need help ... how can i install WINE on Ubuntu? please
[07:31] <jon1012> hello everybody :)
[07:31] <randabis> zazeem http://www.distrowatch.com
[07:31] <trey3> zazeem: many of the top distro's at distrowatch.org  :/
[07:32] <zazeem> k
[07:32] <trey3> uhh... yeah... .com
[07:32] <zazeem> ima nub
[07:32] <zazeem> :)
 sudo synaptic, then update , and then search for wine
[07:32] <trey3> zazeem: never would have guessed  ;)
[07:32] <zazeem> lol
[07:32] <trey3> Scooter: should really direct him through menu's...
[07:32] <zazeem> there was one version poof tole me of started with an m p or w
[07:32] <randabis> abusado, you need to enable universe/multiverse, then sudo apt-get install wine
[07:33] <jazzka> hi!
[07:33] <abusado> thanx scoot er
[07:33] <trey3> zazeem: Mepis ... no p... no w that I can think of?
[07:33] <jazzka> in livecd, is it possible to apt-get install packages?
[07:33] <trey3> Mepis is very easy though, although rather bloated...
[07:33] <zazeem> yess!!! thats it omfg thanks man <3
[07:33] <zazeem> !!!
[07:33] <raydogg> has anyone been able to correctly install their ati 9700 video card ?
[07:33] <zazeem> wow
[07:33] <zazeem> ownage
[07:33] <trey3> jazzka: would be kinda wasteful... but yeah, I think so..
[07:33] <snowblink> zazeem: have you looked at kubuntu. ;)
[07:33] <randabis> Mepis is debian-based like ubuntu....
[07:33] <jazzka> anybody that know this for sure?
[07:33] <jeavis> trey3: Whats mean sudo
[07:34] <zazeem> kubuntu?
[07:34] <randabis> but uses KDE instead GNOME
[07:34] <jeavis> trey3: I never listen that instrution
[07:34] <zazeem> is kde better than knome?
[07:34] <trey3> jeavis: you need to read documentation... I am not here to tell you everything you might need to know...
[07:34] <trey3> I am here to help with issues once you look these things up...
[07:34] <snowblink> zazeem: kubuntu = ubuntu project trying to prepare a KDE based released
[07:34] <zazeem> o i c
[07:34] <pchansan> snowblink, How?  apt-get install vncserver does not work
[07:34] <jon1012> gnome is hig-compliant which makes it one of the best desktop out there :)
[07:34] <zazeem> kde is better than?
[07:34] <zazeem> o
[07:35] <trey3> jeavis: start with www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo though
[07:35] <zazeem> kde has a cooler desktop
[07:35] <flodin> gnome doesn't have "cancel" buttons :(
[07:35] <zazeem> lol
[07:35] <snowblink> pchansan: you're using sudo? You have your repositories set?
[07:35] <flodin> i don't know who decided that was good hci
[07:35] <zazeem> and doesnt upport soiund in games...
[07:35] <zazeem> sound*
[07:35] <flodin> but it can't have been one of his best moments
[07:35] <randabis> ...
[07:35] <randabis> n00bs these days...
[07:36] <zazeem> lol <--
[07:36] <trey3> zazeem: flodin: arguing KDE vs GNOME is over done in general... please don't.
[07:36] <pchansan> snowblink, Yes, im sudoing.  Im using default repos.
[07:36] <zazeem> im not arguing im too nooby
[07:36] <jeavis> trey3: Thank you
[07:36] <snowblink> pchansan: I'm on warty, and have universe and multiverse set. I'm not sure what repo vncserver is in.
[07:36] <flodin> trey3: as far as i'm concerned, i'm only arguing shortcomings of gnome, not how it performs in relation to anything else
[07:37] <jeavis> trey3: Have nice day from Mexico :) Bye!
[07:37] <trey3> jeavis: you too  :)
[07:37] <trey3> jeavis: later
[07:37] <pchansan> ok.
[07:38] <abusado> abusado> sudo synaptic, then update , and then search for wine <--- Still wont work i still dont have WINE :(
[07:38] <KING^^^> hello all
[07:39] <Parallax> is there a MSN client with webcam support ????????
[07:39] <KING^^^> how can i remove k3b totaly ?
[07:39] <trey3> Parallax: gaim-vv
[07:39] <Dr_willis> i see wine in my synaptic listing.
[07:39] <Parallax> trey3: Is that gaim-vv on the apt-get ???
[07:40] <trey3> Parallax: nope
[07:40] <Parallax> damn
[07:40] <Scooter> heh, is there a command line to find the IP address on current machieen?
[07:40] <Dr_willis> Scooter,  ifconfig  is one way
[07:40] <trey3> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[07:40] <abusado> i see it on my listing but... i cant use it... in the properties it is supposed to be 59MB but it says only 36 Mb Downloaded
[07:40] <Scooter> Thanks :)
[07:40] <Parallax> what about a good password manager ?????
[07:41] <Dr_willis> Parallax,  what about them ??????
[07:41] <pchansan> Also, One more question.  How do i configure my nameserver?  resolv.conf keeps on changing back to an incorrect one.
[07:41] <trey3> Parallax: gnome-keyring and gnome-keyring-manager are supposed to do that...
[07:41] <snowblink> pchansan: are you using DHCP?
[07:41] <Parallax> ok, ill try them
[07:41] <trey3> pchansan: /etc/issue.net I think... one of the issue files...
[07:41] <KING^^^> so ... someone ?
[07:42] <pchansan> snowblink, , yes.
[07:42] <mike_> does ubuntu work on powerpcs
[07:42] <trey3> mike_: yea
[07:42] <Dr_willis> KING^^^,  fire up synaptic and uncheck it...
[07:42] <mike_> which down do you use?
[07:42] <pchansan> trey3, That just shows what version of ubuntu im using
[07:43] <KING^^^> yes ... but when i install it back ... is the same
[07:43] <KING^^^> i wanna remove it totaly
[07:43] <KING^^^> Dr_
[07:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm... install it back?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> whats the same? you expect what to be different?
[07:43] <mike_> how do i install on ppc?
[07:43] <KING^^^> i have made some changes
[07:43] <KING^^^> and i want it back like new
[07:43] <Dr_willis> KING^^^,  i would guess the user has some config files.
[07:43] <jac208> mike_: what's your hardware?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> that you want to remove then
[07:44] <Dr_willis> nothing to do with Uninstalling k3b at all.
[07:44] <trey3> pchansan: bah... thats what your computer is reported as online... but yeah... /etc/hostname
[07:44] <Parallax> HOw do i use that gnome-keyring
[07:44] <snowblink> pchansan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1230
[07:44] <Parallax> ??
[07:44] <trey3> Parallax: install gnome-keyring-manager
[07:44] <mike_> how do I install on power pc??
[07:44] <trey3> Parallax: never really tried though  :/
[07:45] <jac208> mike_: what's your hardware?