[02:07] <Simira> daf, carlos: Rosetta breaks my Opera :-/ are there any known problems today?
[02:21] <daf> Simira: no...
[02:21] <daf> Simira: how does it break it?
[02:23] <Simira> daf: seemed to be our router, possibly. But I still have problems. Checking the faq now... but, for xchat2, the translation information shows 0%, and I can't see more than 10 lines, all translated. Although I it says 0 items, and I just appearantly uploaded a new and mostly translated po-file
[02:24] <daf> URL?
[02:24] <Simira> I get no error message on "Save and Continue", but it doesn't continue either...
[02:24] <Simira> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/xchat2/unknown/+pots/xchat/nb/+translate
[02:24] <Simira> might be todays bad aura for me... seems like nothing works for me today...
[02:28] <Simira> the FAQ doesn't cover usual problems, eh
[02:28] <daf> what exactly happens when you hit the button?
[02:29] <Simira> the page reloads, and the corrected strings is just like I wrote them (they stay corrected)..
[02:30] <daf> hmm, ok
[02:30] <daf> maybe there is only 10 messages in that file, for some weird reason
[02:31] <Simira> well, in the Skolelinux translation project,the statistics says 410 out of 1171 strings translated...
[02:32] <daf> yeah, I'm sure there's supposed to be more than that
[02:33] <Simira> oh, I'll just go to bed for a while, cry a bit and wait for the world to get settled a bit. bbl.


[00:15] <kichigai> Hello all. I'm trying to upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04, but the network upgrade method leaves me in like a mid-version limbo because of some weird issues involving third party packages (I haven't added any repos, but I did enable the non-free stuff, like MP3).
[00:15] <kichigai> Is it possible to leapfrog from 12.04 to 14.04 using the install DVD?
[01:43] <tgm4883> kichigai: I usually recommend a backup/restore over an upgrade
[01:50] <kichigai> tgm4883, how do I do that? I read up on how to backup my databases, but does that preserve my recording schedules, recoding data, etc?
[01:51] <kichigai> My recording drives are external, so I'm not worried about that, but all the info about my recorded shows, etc.
[01:55] <tgm4883> kichigai: Should just need to: Backup the DB, install fresh, restore DB, and as long as the storage is mounted in the same location it should pick all that back up
[01:56] <tgm4883> kichigai: also backup any custom files you have (eg. lirc, etc)
[01:56] <kichigai> tgm4883, well, fortunately the only ones of thsoe I've messed with was my Samba config, so I think that ought to be pretty easy to recreate.
[01:57] <tgm4883> should be pretty easy then
[01:57] <tgm4883> kichigai: oh, and when you reinstall, make the hostname and IP address the same
[01:57] <tgm4883> save yourself some hastle there :)
[01:58] <kichigai> I've got an assigned address for this sucker on DHCP, so that ought to be hard to screw up ;)
[02:02] <kichigai> tgm4883, thanks for the help. That's exactly what I needed to know.
[13:11] <hR13> Hi all, I have just installed 14.04 on a new disk inorder to upgrade my old 10.04.3 system, but my novo t-500 cards dont load, and i cant find any modules for it to load... have I missed something ?
[13:24] <hR13> I had accidently got the card tinted, now its firmly attatched to the mobo and its visable :-)
[15:37] <gedakc> psusi:  Hi Phillip :)


[13:28] <mup> Bug #2008800 changed: Upgrade maas 3.0 to 3.2.6 latest <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008800>
[13:31] <mup> Bug #2008800 opened: Upgrade maas 3.0 to 3.2.6 latest <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008800>
[13:37] <mup> Bug #2008800 changed: Upgrade maas 3.0 to 3.2.6 latest <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008800>
[14:04] <mup> Bug #1825438 changed: TestBootResourceTransactional test fails erroneously in CI <papercut> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825438>
[14:34] <mup> Bug #1708679 changed: Region Controller import progress not available in 1 API request <api> <cdo-qa> <internal> <track> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708679>
[14:34] <mup> Bug #1721360 changed: After upgrade from 2.x, machine wants to deploy with hwe-x instead of hwe-16.04 because minimum kernel was set <cdo-qa> <internal> <seg> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721360>
[14:58] <mup> Bug #1748712 changed: 2.4.0a1 upgrade failed with old node event data <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748712>
[14:58] <mup> Bug #1754822 changed: MAAS should use python-amt instead of shelling out to wsmancli <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754822>
[14:58] <mup> Bug #2009045 opened: WebSocket API to report reasons for failure for machine bulk actions  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2009045>
[15:07] <mup> Bug #1785690 changed: API succeeds if invalid parameter is passed <cli> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785690>
[15:10] <mup> Bug #1785690 opened: API succeeds if invalid parameter is passed <cli> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785690>
[15:16] <mup> Bug #1785690 changed: API succeeds if invalid parameter is passed <cli> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785690>
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1724973 changed: package-repositories should be searchable by name <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724973>
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1793112 changed: KVM pod attachments should fall back to macvlan by default if no network or bridge is found <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1793112>
[15:37] <mup> Bug #1797489 changed: Using the install_kvm API option during deployment does not make bionic the default <track> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1797489>
[18:23] <Peter> Why in MAAS 3.2 are DNS records paginated, but there is no way to show all and no way to search ..


[12:02] <cmaloney> morning
[12:02] <cmaloney> how goes the battle?
[12:42] <Scary_Guy> They're winning
[12:42] <cmaloney> Oof
[12:43] <cmaloney> That good eh?
[15:14] <Scary_Guy> https://www.amazon.com/SVPRO-OV2710-Surveillance-Camera-Infrared/dp/B07C1JHB6K/ Think I might try this as a webcam because I keep my room real dark.
[15:36] <cmaloney> Predator-style web conferencing
[15:42] <greg-g> just cover yourself in mud so your boss can't see you
[15:42] <greg-g> also, happy shitty-saturday, cmaloney :)
[16:29] <cmaloney> Thank you. :)


[11:37] <pursuivant> system/kubuntu-notification-helper (master) e159e07 * Harald Sitter: src/daemon (13 files in 7 dirs)
[11:37] <pursuivant> don't put event names in the module
[11:37] <pursuivant> instead init it in the actual event class. that takes useless responsibility away
[11:37] <pursuivant> from the module
[11:37] <pursuivant> https://invent.kde.org/system/kubuntu-notification-helper/commit/e159e072d09f35112c2a7fee12b5e1cea3a350d8
[11:37] <pursuivant> system/kubuntu-notification-helper (master) d3d7cdb * Harald Sitter: src (7 files in 2 dirs)
[11:37] <pursuivant> port to kconfigwatcher
[11:37] <pursuivant> replaces bespoke watcher tech
[11:37] <pursuivant> https://invent.kde.org/system/kubuntu-notification-helper/commit/d3d7cdb2da6ad9dee9c99e98a1f3abcac7b3535d
[11:37] <pursuivant> system/kubuntu-notification-helper (master) fbf67c3 * Harald Sitter: src/daemon (9 files in 7 dirs)
[11:37] <pursuivant> refactor event init and management
[11:37] <pursuivant> this moves all event setup and handling logic into the events themselves
[11:37] <pursuivant> making the module itself entirely unconcerned with the specifics of the
[11:37] <pursuivant> events.
[11:37] <pursuivant> https://invent.kde.org/system/kubuntu-notification-helper/commit/fbf67c3dbb521a89c91324af78ff5c52f19dedaf
[11:41] <sitter> RikMills: I'm not convinced this is a force for good in the world. l10n support is entirely bust. reboot notification is likely clashing with discover. codec notification I'm also sure is some degree of broken. driver notification I suppose is worthwhile but the way this is implemented is daft plus I'm not sure why that isn't in the driver kcm repo
[11:41] <sitter> the only things that look semi sane are apport and hooks support *shrug*
[11:46] <RikMills> sitter: *shrug* has been my response each time I pondered it. I certainly can't fix it
[11:52] <sitter> sudo rm -rf /*
[13:01] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks


[00:01] <bryce> \sh_away: inkscape 0.46 is already in hardy
[00:19] <dbmood1> oi we have bug with ubuntu gutsy and local time in australia in in nsw
[00:19] <dbmood1> we need the time to move forwards one hour -- ntp is not providing the proper time
[00:20] <dbmood1> this is a major problem for security etc. and needs to be worked on as soon as possible
[00:20] <ScottK> StevenK: ^^^ How's your time now?
[00:20] <dbmood1> 11:20 instead of 10:20
[00:21] <dbmood1> i will to go tzdata now and see if i can fix it
[00:21] <dbmood1> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=240
[00:21] <Fujitsu> dbmood1: Timezones won't change for another week.
[00:21] <Fujitsu> It changed this year. It's the first week in April.
[00:21] <dbmood1> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/30/2202804.htm
[00:22] <dbmood1> it needs to be moved -- forwards and then back
[00:22] <dbmood1> Fujitsu: yes you are normal correct it was changed
[00:22] <Fujitsu> We should still be +11.
[00:22] <Fujitsu> Is it not 0021 UTC at the moment?
[00:23] <sistpoty> well, UTC doesn't change, does it?
[00:23] <dbmood1> let me try apply utc
[00:23] <Fujitsu> It doesn't, but my system says it's 1123 local time.
[00:23] <dbmood1> its 00:23:31 according to my altered clock
[00:23] <dbmood1> as in put back for daylight savings
[00:24] <Fujitsu> All of my systems are correctly still +11.
[00:24] <Fujitsu> THey weren't meant to switch back, and didn't.
[00:24] <Fujitsu> I checked this some weeks ago.
[00:24] <dbmood1> what ?
[00:24] <sistpoty> dbmood1: I saw a new tzdata coming in recently (maybe today, not too sure). do you have that installed already?
[00:24] <sistpoty> (for gutsy)
[00:24] <dbmood1> i'm using ntpd to update too...
[00:25] <dbmood1> is that a problem ?
[00:25] <Fujitsu> We're not meant to switch from +11 to +10 for another week. My Dapper, Gutsy, Hardy systems haven't switched yet.
[00:25] <dbmood1> well i have just switched
[00:25] <Fujitsu> dbmood1: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[00:25] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: lucky you... I'm loosing an hour tonight already :(
[00:25] <dbmood1> 7.10 here i can check hardy
[00:25] <Fujitsu> dpkg -l tzdata
[00:26] <dbmood1> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[00:26] <dbmood1> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[00:26] <dbmood1> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[00:26] <dbmood1> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[00:26] <dbmood1> +++-[00:26] <dbmood1> ii  tzdata         2007f-3ubuntu1 time zone and daylight-saving time data
[00:26] <dbmood1> i might have my updates screwy ?
[00:27] <Fujitsu> Ooh, damn.
[00:27] <Fujitsu> You're right.
[00:28] <dbmood1> is it just me ?
[00:28] <dbmood1> or ...
[00:28] <Fujitsu> 2007f-3ubuntu1 is too old, I think.
[00:28]  * Fujitsu looks harder.
[00:28] <dbmood1> rofl oh cool
[00:28] <Fujitsu> I'm thoroughly confused.
[00:28] <dbmood1> thank you
[00:28] <dbmood1> sorry
[00:28] <dbmood1> seems all is fine
[00:28] <dbmood1> but iinet my isp repos are slightly outdated
[00:28] <dbmood1> or something
[00:29] <dbmood1> oh wait .... was the tz.. thing a recommended update ? because i don't have those ticked
[00:29] <ion_> Let's just get rid of the stupid DST altogether. :-)
[00:29] <Fujitsu> Oh what.
[00:29] <Fujitsu> WHy the heck did this only go into -updates?
[00:29] <dbmood1> let me tick recommended and see what happens
[00:29] <Fujitsu> dbmood1: That's the problem.
[00:30] <dbmood1> its a security bug it should be in security too tho
[00:30] <Fujitsu> The update has been in *-updates since 2008/03/07.
[00:30] <dbmood1> i don't imagine many people to have recommended ticked
[00:30] <Fujitsu> But not in -security.
[00:30] <Fujitsu> Most people should.
[00:30] <Fujitsu> This sort of update should really go into -security, I think...
[00:30] <dbmood1> is it default ?
[00:30] <Fujitsu> As it's utterly critical.
[00:30] <Fujitsu> I believe it is on by default.
[00:30] <dbmood1> hopefully
[00:31] <dbmood1> -- what about for lts and the server releases -- yeah that fixed it
[00:35] <pwnguin> how is a tzdata bug a security bug?
[00:35] <dbmood1> well if you have encryption that is based on time etc. / you get time based attacks
[00:36] <pwnguin> because you're an hour off from everyone else?
[00:36] <dbmood1> ........a whole hour
[00:36] <dbmood1> yes
[00:40] <dbmood1> got an end user to confirm (hopefully didn't touch it) that she doesnt' have the correct time ....
[00:40] <dbmood1> no wait
[00:40] <dbmood1> she got the update
[00:40] <pwnguin> well, there's a hardy tz bug
[00:42] <dbmood1> well i will know the full answer when she returns...
[00:43] <keescook> doko: got any pointers for pycentral usage with a package that has SWIG python bindings?  I seem to be missing some critical step -- everything gets built and installed but python can't seem to find it...
[00:44] <dbmood1> but my debian box has the correct time it seems and this is an etch box... zdata         2007j-1etch1   Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time Data Australia/Sydney  Sat Apr  5 15:59:59 2008 UTC = Sun Apr  6 02:59:59 2008 EST isdst=1 gmtoff=39600
[00:44] <dbmood1> Australia/Sydney  Sat Apr  5 16:00:00 2008 UTC = Sun Apr  6 02:00:00 2008 EST isdst=0 gmtoff=36000
[00:44] <dbmood1> sorry to be so spamish i will be quiet except to tell you the out come of the lady's update
[00:46] <Fujitsu> The change was made in 2007g.
[00:46] <slangasek> pwnguin: hrm? what tz bugs are there in hardy?
[00:46] <slangasek> pwnguin: more precisely, why is there no bug report about this that's importance: high and milestoned for the release? :)
[00:46] <Fujitsu> So anybody who has updated from -updates since 2007/10/20 will have the changes.
[00:47] <Fujitsu> If tzdata updates are only pushed to -updates, it shouldn't be `Recommended updates', it should be `Critical (unless you don't care about even slight accuracy of time) updates'
[00:48] <pwnguin> slangasek: they're actually bugs in gnome-clock-applet
[00:48] <dbmood1> in this case it is an hour off and they - end users who might not have it ticked will have it off - some admins might not want to allow the recommended -- or know about the change yet -- they probably have them off
[00:49] <pwnguin> slangasek: apparently it doesn
[00:49] <slangasek> pwnguin: oh, I guess you mean the fact that gnome-panel guesses your timezone wrong
[00:50] <pwnguin> yes. just mentioning it in case the above "end user" was merely judging from hardy, etc
[00:53] <dbmoodb> apparently if you do not turn ntp on the time even with the correct tzdata will not fix the problem immediately (end user result) -- hope you guys can start looking into this --- seems easy to fix and blah (package seems to be fine -- waiting for sometime i guess)
[00:55] <mttr> i installed the beta,, everthing went well but grub doesn't like the partition
[00:55] <Fujitsu> mttr: #ubuntu+1.
[00:55] <mttr> np
[02:27] <_MMA_> gah.. After new updates GDM sound nor logout sounds work. :(
[02:28] <jdong> _MMA_: and you're sad?
[02:30] <_MMA_> Well a little more than sad because this has been something that has broke for one reason or another for 2 releases now.  I thought you mean dink.
[02:32] <_MMA_> If ya wanna be a smart-ass. ;)
[02:35] <_MMA_> Oh well. I'll work on it Monday.
[03:04] <lifeless> there will be a short outage to the wiki and bazaar.launchpad.net, to hoepfully address the bazaar.launchpad.net performance problems
[06:05] <Oasys> hey
[08:15] <warp10> good morning
[11:17] <Hobbsee> ah yes, australian time confusion
[11:18] <ompaul> we got 11 hours gap or 9 now?
[11:18] <ompaul> you fell back and we went fortward
[11:18] <Seveas> @now sydney
[11:18] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: March 30 2008, 20:18:58 - Next meeting: Server Team in 3 days
[11:18] <ompaul> so 9
[11:19] <ompaul> no
[11:19] <Seveas> 8 for me
[11:19] <Seveas> 9 for you
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Seveas: that's wrong.
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Seveas: it's currently 9.18pm
[11:19] <Seveas> ah
[11:19] <ompaul> Hobbsee, you don't change for two weeks iirc
[11:19] <Seveas> Hobbsee, hmm, odd
[11:19] <Hobbsee> ompaul: yeah.  something like that.  i only noticed when the pin clock for work was showing the wrong time.
[11:19] <ompaul> Seveas, they are auzzies  ;-)
[11:20]  * Hobbsee beats ompaul before he can run away
[11:20]  * ompaul buys Hobbsee a cup of tea and tells her to work on getting her country to change time in sync with the rest of the planet (or close enough that it don't matter)
[11:20] <Seveas> there's no python-tz update for dapper
[11:21] <Seveas> fun :/
[11:36] <slangasek> ompaul: so every time some government nutter up here decides to extend DST by another few weeks, Australia should get a few weeks less DST? :)
[11:38] <pwnguin> sounds great
[11:39]  * persia discourages synchronisation.  Conference calls are annoying when there is more than one time transition happening the same week
[11:40] <Hobbsee> persia: this is why we all deal in UTC.
[11:41] <Hobbsee> this must mean that the UK/AU time crossover gets significantly worse again, though
[11:41] <persia> Hobbsee: True, although I've recently discovered that some people confuse UTC and British Time
[11:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[11:43] <Fujitsu> I find it most unfortunate that those without -updates enabled are doomed to have incorrect times.
[11:43] <persia> I think anyone living in a country that changes the clocks is doomed to have incorrect times once in a while.
[11:44] <Fujitsu> If you have -updates, you're safe.
[11:47] <persia> (excepting at least Argentina)
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Well, if we're *really* quick...
[11:51] <persia> heh
[12:38] <ompaul> slangasek, na there is normally a two week lag between .eu and .au
[12:38] <ompaul> slangasek, after that you factor in the nutters ;-)
[12:38] <Seveas> ompaul, that's not just with DST
[12:40] <StevenK> Actually, NSW comes first. Except they've changed it so that all of .au changes DST (the states that use it) at the same time
[12:41] <persia> StevenK: Not only the same day, but the same time?
[12:43] <StevenK> persia: Well, I mean the same day. It used to be NSW dropped DST today, and the rest followed a week later. Now we all have to wait until next week
[12:43] <StevenK> (And well done Telstra for having your time sources on the phone network jump back an hour today)
[12:44] <Nafallo> lol
[12:44] <persia> Ah.  That makes more sense.  I thought it was something like 4am in the east, 3am in the middle, and 1am in the west
[12:45] <StevenK> Actually, 4am in the east, 3:30am in the middle and 1am in the west
[12:45] <persia> Err.  Never mind the bit about the west
[12:45] <persia> Huh?  I thought there was a timezone between Melbourne and Adelaide.  Time to study the time map again
[12:46] <StevenK> There is.
[12:46] <StevenK> Melbourne is +1100, and Adelaide is +1030
[12:46] <StevenK> Perth is +0800
[12:47] <StevenK> (After next week, it's +1000, +0930, +0800)
[12:48] <persia> Ah.  And Victoria and NSW are the same.  Right.  And summer time expires in West Australia in 2009.
[12:50] <StevenK> persia: Yes, Victoria and NSW are the same in terms of DST. Queensland is not.
[12:51] <persia> Ah.  That was the source of confusion.  Thank you.
[13:38] <emgent> hello
[13:55] <pitti> lamont: look at what?
[13:56] <pitti> lamont: sorry, tab error; unping
[14:58] <emgent> hi dendrobates :)
[16:51] <Riddell> calc: KDE 4 uses shared-mime-info, KDE 3 not
[18:24] <keescook> why does glib2.0 have such an odd version number?  it's less than the unstable version it's based off of
[18:24] <keescook> it really should be named 2ubuntu1 not ~hardy1
[18:27] <jdong> I was wondering about that too
[18:38] <calc> Riddell: is there a way for me to query what kde 3 uses for particular files to see what i need
[18:46] <keescook> jdong: 209308
[18:46] <jdong> bug 209308
[18:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209308 in glib2.0 "glib2.0 version is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209308
[18:47] <jdong> cool
[18:54] <calc> doko: how is the progress on the i18n stuff?
[18:54] <doko> looking ...
[18:55] <calc> doko: i'm testing my first full build right now, so it might be ready for upload tomorrow
[18:55] <doko> yes, second build finished, I'll let you know tonight
[18:55] <calc> doko: great :)
[19:11] <ffm> Does anyone here work on wubi?
[19:13] <calc> the cairo patch fixes OOo font display issues :)
[19:14] <protonchris> calc: which patch?
[19:14] <jdong> calc: so I have to scroll back 24hrs in my IRC logs to understand the context of that statement? :D
[19:15] <calc> jdong: no, if you notice OOo fonts have looked wrong for like forever, they will be fixed probably tomorrow (when i manage to upload)
[19:15] <calc> it was using cairo/libfreetype incorrectly :)
[19:15] <jdong> calc: awesome! and yes, I have noticed that
[19:16] <calc> i don't remember which bug report had the patch there were many related bug reports about OOo fonts looking bad
[19:18] <calc> it appears it doesn't do subpixel smoothing but works for the other settings
[19:21] <calc> jdong: yea i see you were one of the people commenting on the oldest of the fonts bugs
[19:22] <jdong> I vaguely recall filing a sarcastic bug or two on that when I felt in a particularly bad mood :D
[19:22] <calc> jdong: heh :)(
[19:22] <calc> er :)
[19:22]  * calc has fat fingers
[19:24] <tjaalton> calc: will impress support 3D effects too?
[19:25] <calc> tjaalton: not sure i haven't looked at that yet
[19:25] <calc> tjaalton: probably if it is listed as a 2.4 feature upstream
[19:26] <milli> calc: thank you!!  (font bugs with OO)
[19:26] <tjaalton> it's probably a config option or something, the current version in Hardy doesn't support it
[19:26]  * milli hates ugly fonts
[19:26] <calc> so far the font bugs look to be fixed EXCEPT for the subpixel stuff, but that is a lot better than it was
[19:26] <tjaalton> I mean build config option..
[19:26] <calc> tjaalton: hmm ok
[19:27] <calc> i'll need to dig to see if i can find a patch to fix the subpixel part also
[19:32] <calc> erm
[19:32] <calc> it looks like it is working now, wtf
[19:33] <calc> yea its definitely working, i thought it wasn't earlier, so now i am confuse
[19:33] <calc> confused
[19:34] <calc> ok yea its consistently working now, so i am not sure what happened earlier
[19:34] <calc> one minor issue is you have to restart OOo to get the font setting to change, you can't change it while running
[19:51] <tjaalton> calc: --enable-ogltrans
[19:51] <calc> tjaalton: ah
[19:51] <tjaalton> calc: don't know what it depends on
[19:51] <calc> let me see if it isn't getting enabled for some reason
[19:52] <tjaalton> calc: it was added after rc2 :)
[19:53] <calc> it appears to be attempted to be used via
[19:53] <calc> --enable-opengl
[19:53] <calc> so that might be a bug then
[19:53] <calc> ok
[19:54] <calc> well its still not there in the debian version as of 2.4 final
[19:54] <calc> i'll look into it and see if the arg needs to be changed or added in addition to the other one
[19:56] <tjaalton> cool, thanks
[20:02] <Riddell> calc: kde 3 uses /usr/share/mime
[20:03] <Riddell> calc: /usr/share/mimelnk/ rather
[20:18] <calc> Riddell: does it just do matches based off of file extension? or is there a way to determine what mimetype it would consider a particular given file to be?
[20:19] <calc> Riddell: i'm wanting to make sure that i list all the needed mimetypes for KDE in OOo to open the files correctly
[20:20] <calc> Riddell: i already have it for all the shared-mime-info using gvfs-info to verify
[20:20] <calc> Riddell: so i think that will probably already work correctly for KDE4 (haven't tested)
[20:20] <Riddell> calc: kde 3 also does some magic detection, using kdelibs-3.5.9/kio/magic
[20:21] <calc> Riddell: is there any kde util that i can use to have it spit out the mimetype?
[20:22] <emgent> calc :)
[20:25] <Riddell> calc: don't think so, probably not hard to write on in python
[20:38] <Riddell> calc: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mimetype2.py
[21:19] <calc> Riddell: thanks!
[21:58] <calc> Riddell: still here?
[21:58] <calc> Riddell: i tried running that script and its bombing out
[21:58] <calc> Riddell: tells me list index out of range
[22:00] <calc> Riddell: i can paste it to pastebin if you are around, not sure why it is saying that
[22:01] <calc> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6234/
[22:01] <calc> i ran it as ./mimetype2.py filename
[22:02] <calc> ah it worked when i ran it as python mimetype2.py filename
[22:02] <calc> i'm not quite sure why but it worked
[22:15] <calc> i am confused, this script is telling me kde thinks a excel file is type application/msword
[22:15] <calc> but in dolphin it says its an excel file
[22:16] <calc> is dolphin using shared-mime-info or kde's mime stuff
[22:18] <calc> if this is working right then kde's mime support is crummy
[22:18] <calc> it claims xml file is text/plain
[22:19] <lifeless> is there a bug open on the AEST/AEDT tzdata error ?
[22:19]  * calc thinks he'll let a kde person determine if the files are opening correctly, since it seems kde mime support is very weird
[22:20] <calc> borderline broken it would seem
[22:25] <Riddell> calc: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mimetype2.py updated
[22:27] <calc> Riddell: ok testing that
[22:29] <calc> Riddell: works much better! :)
[22:29] <calc> now it thinks excel files are... excel files ;-)
[22:30] <calc> yipee it looks like it is working much better all around :)
[22:30]  * calc can now make sure all these mimetypes are in the files as well
[22:31] <Fujitsu> lifeless: Which error? The updates have been in -updates since late October.
[22:31] <Fujitsu> But I'm not sure what you're expected to do if you only use -security.
[22:32] <lifeless> Fujitsu: I'm running hardy and its wrong
[22:32] <lifeless> Fujitsu: by which I mean, the NSW senate changed the daylight saving rules
[22:32] <Fujitsu> lifeless: Ermm.
[22:32] <Fujitsu> I'm in Vic, I know of the change.
[22:32] <Fujitsu> dpkg -l tzdata
[22:32] <calc> well its still a bit buggy but i wouldn't be surprised if it was actually real bugs at this point since most of the types are showing up right
[22:33] <lifeless> Fujitsu: 2008b-1ubuntu1 :P
[22:33] <Fujitsu> Ah, I'm only on 2008a...
[22:33] <Fujitsu> cat /etc/timezone
[22:33] <Fujitsu> I bet it's User defined.
[22:33] <lifeless> no such file
[22:34] <Fujitsu> Um.
[22:34] <Fujitsu> Anyway, I have to head off to uni now... but tzdata in all releases has been updated with the right dates.
[22:34] <lifeless> Another ubuntu user I know of has the same symptoms of an early change back
[22:35] <lifeless> bye
[22:35] <RAOF> lifeless: My (Hardy) clock is correctly showing DST.
[22:36] <lifeless> RAOF: thanks
[22:36] <jdong> my gutsy clock handles DST correctly too, although I use -proposed, -updates.
[22:37] <slangasek> lifeless: you're using the gnome clock applet?
[22:37] <lifeless> slangasek: well two things got it wrong: my server, and my gnome clock applet
[22:37] <lifeless> the server I can tell via irssi :>
[22:37] <slangasek> lifeless: click, Locations, Edit, verify that the timezone automatically populated for your city isn't wrong
[22:38] <lifeless> server is 7.04; probably just haven't updated in an age
[22:38] <jdong> I think this will be a great excuse for not turning in my paper on time tonight!
[22:38] <lifeless> slangasek: tiemzone "australia/sydney" with caps; looks right to me
[22:39] <lifeless> slangasek: and 'date' in a console has the same time
[22:39] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[22:39] <slangasek> so what time is it supposed to be there right now?
[22:39] <lifeless> did feisty get the tz updates?
[22:39] <lifeless> its supposed to be 0838
[22:40] <slangasek> lifeless: that's what I see on the console with current hardy when I type TZ=Australia/Sydney date
[22:40] <soren> Wow. A 1 minute offset?
[22:40] <soren> :p
[22:40] <lifeless> soren: race condition on the minute boundary :-}
[22:40] <slangasek> lifeless: so I don't think the problem lies with the tzdata package
[22:41] <lifeless> slangasek: well, thats quite bizaare then.
[22:41] <ion_> Since it was :39:58, the boundary was quite wide. :-)
[22:41] <lifeless> whats current utc ?
[22:41] <slangasek> lifeless: hwclock in UTC?  does it display the right time? :)
[22:41] <slangasek> 21:40
[22:41] <ion_> Sun Mar 30 21:41:59 UTC 2008
[22:42] <lifeless> TZ=utc hwclock --show --utc
[22:42] <lifeless> Sun 30 Mar 2008 21:43:07 UTC  -0.117192 seconds
[22:42] <lifeless> so, other than fucking around with kerberos, the hwclock seems ok.
[22:42]  * slangasek grumbles and adjusts his clock by hand, since repeatedly setting it via the clock panel causes it to drift backwards :P
[22:42] <slangasek> yet another bug I should file on that damn thing...
[22:43] <lifeless> TZ=Australia/Sydney date
[22:43] <lifeless> Mon Mar 31 08:43:39 EST 2008
[22:43] <lifeless> so my current time zone is apparently not Australia/Sydney
[22:44] <slangasek> score
[22:44] <slangasek> blame bug #185190
[22:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185190 in gnome-panel "Clock applet chooses wrong timezone for many cities (eg Pittsburgh, Beijing)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185190
[22:44] <slangasek> even if it's not the bug at issue ;)
[22:45] <lifeless> ~$ echo $TZ
[22:45] <lifeless>
[22:45] <slangasek> ls -l /etc/localtime?
[22:45] <slangasek> (well, "readlink /etc/localtime")
[22:45] <lifeless> not a symlink !
[22:45] <lifeless> and I'll bet that my friends bug is the same
[22:45] <slangasek> and you said you don't have an /etc/timezone, so you get to try to guess which file under /usr/share/zoneinfo it corresponds to, enjoy
[22:46] <slangasek> welcome the world of precision timekeeping
[22:46] <slangasek> s/the/to &/
[22:46] <lifeless> running tzselect doesn't make it a symlink eithe
[22:46] <lifeless> well, I bet I know what file it is
[22:46] <lifeless> its the *old* Australia/Sydney file.
[22:46] <slangasek> oh, heh
[22:47] <lifeless> in fact, wtf is tzselect meant to do these days
[22:47] <slangasek> well, the reason it's not a symlink is that it screws things up if /usr is on a separate partition at boot
[22:47] <lifeless> cause it sure as hell ain't writing to /etc/localtime
[22:47] <slangasek> but /etc/timezone is supposed to be used to track this
[22:47] <lifeless> nor to /etc/localtime
[22:48] <lifeless> sorry, not to /etc/timezone
[22:48] <slangasek> and obviously we need to be updating /etc/localtime when the package updates
[22:48] <slangasek> lifeless: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? :/
[22:48] <lifeless> yes just found via the tzselect man page
[22:48] <lifeless> :)
[22:49] <lifeless> and it too writes a static file
[22:49] <lifeless> yup
[22:49] <lifeless> you want to file the bug?
[22:52] <slangasek> no, I want you to file the bug and me to fix the bug ;)
[22:52] <lifeless> blah
[22:53] <lifeless> lp account name ?
[22:53] <slangasek> vorlon
[22:54] <lifeless> mailed
[22:54] <slangasek> we're going to have to get a gnome-panel task for this well, since the gnome panel is not interacting appropriately with the tzdata-controlled files
[22:54] <slangasek> thanks
[22:55] <lifeless> breakfast, then to see about unfucking the wiki & b.l.n
[22:57] <slangasek> lifeless: looking at the postinst, the failure here is because /etc/timezone didn't exist; I'm guessing you don't have any overt knowledge of removing this file yourself... :)
[22:57] <slangasek> (in which case I need to track down why it wasn't created on upgrade)
[22:58] <lifeless> I'm glad I poked around a bit first :)
[22:58] <lifeless> and no
[23:06] <Seveas> slangasek, which upgrade should have created it? I'm missing the file as well but my hardy is slightly outdated (a week or so). Might help tracking it down
[23:08] <slangasek> Seveas: an upgrade long ago, I think.  There's mention of a preinst having been added in Aug 2007, but that preinst doesn't exist now; I'm going to chase this with the Debian glibc maintainers
[23:17] <slangasek> lifeless: what was this machine originally installed as?
[23:18] <lifeless> -EDUNNO
[23:19] <lifeless> feisty or gutsy 64 bit; then I copied various things from my 32-bit laptop (like exim config files)
[23:19] <lifeless> probably the fister
[23:21] <calc> great i found all the mimetypes i needed for kde :)
[23:22] <slangasek> lifeless: do you happen to remember if it was liveCD or alternate?  It's conceivable that this was a ubiquity bug
[23:26] <Seveas> slangasek, mine (2 of them) were desktop installs
[23:27] <slangasek> Seveas: installed from which release?
[23:28]  * slangasek needs to know which CD to start downloading :)
[23:28] <Seveas> that's what I'm trying to find out, edgy or later for sure
[23:28] <Seveas> one of them ubiquity 1.2.5
[23:29] <slangasek> that's edgy
[23:29] <Seveas> another 1.4.11
[23:29] <slangasek> feisty
[23:29] <slangasek> fun fun
[23:30] <emgent> uhm cacti FTBFS, and patch is ready. If someone can please see bug #194687
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194687 in cacti "cacti web frontend fails with 'Invalid PHP_SELF Path' after upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194687
[23:40] <emgent> ScottK: ping
[23:41] <ScottK> emgent: Pong
[23:42] <emgent> about bug #194190
[23:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194190 in cacti "Please sync cacti 0.8.7b-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194190
[23:43] <emgent> i saw now that debian version bump fix all.
[23:43] <emgent> i go to remove ubuntu patch and i will attach debdiff.
[23:43] <lifeless> slangasek: no idea
[23:43] <slangasek> okie-day


[14:32] <CarlFK> smb_tp:  noacpitimer no help. i posted dmesg to bug 254668 - anything else while I have some time right now?
[14:36] <smb_tp> CarlFK, unfortunately nothing that can be done just by options. What is really strange is: even with the udelay version. There is a relatively long period of time with exactly the same timestamp. Which is just not what should happen.
[14:38] <smb_tp> CarlFK, From the evidence it feels like the problem lies somewhere in timing: either that timer is broken in general or that maybe one core doesn't get updated. Just nothing I can simply point to. :(
[14:45] <CarlFK> oh well - once booted the box seems to be ok, so hard to call this critical
[14:45] <mjg59> CarlFK: You mean noapictimer, right?
[14:45] <mjg59> noacpitimer does nothing
[14:46] <mdz> BenC: thanks for the fix on 262539
[14:46] <mdz> BenC:  do you have any guess why it didn't happen for me until I upgraded?
[14:46] <CarlFK> mjg59: opps... let me try with that :)
[14:49] <BenC> mdz: no idea t all
[14:49] <smb_tp> mjg59, Hm, might be a copy-copy paste error. Got it from another thread that claimed it helped and spelled it like this. But I probably should have cross-checked with the code.
[14:50] <mjg59> Oh, if this started with .26, it's a known bug
[14:50] <mjg59> Some AMD systems stop the local apic timer in C1E
[14:50] <mjg59> So no timer interrupts = no progress in nohz
[14:51] <mjg59> There's a patch submitted to -stable to fix it, not sure if .27 is also hit
[14:51] <smb_tp> mjg59, It did. And the symptoms are exactly like that
[14:51] <mjg59> It appears when ACPI's enabled because up until that point you don't enter any C states
[14:53] <smb_tp> mjg59, And in this case it hangs in acpi scan because the poll uses a delay with 2.6.26++.
[14:53] <mjg59> It's a one-line or so fix
[14:53] <mjg59> Hang on, let me find it
[14:53] <smb_tp> mjg59, Thanks a lot for the hint
[14:53]  * mjg59 does a cvs up over GPRS...
[14:57] <mjg59> wErgh. Can't find it no.
[14:58] <smb_tp> mjg59, I try to look trough the 2.6.26.y tree. But it is good to have the hint to it
[14:59] <smb_tp> mjg59, I already suspected timers but did not find the known bug to it
[15:06] <CarlFK> smb_tp: noapictimer, still hangs, dmesg posted
[15:12] <smb_tp> CarlFK, There is also this line "AMD C1E detected late. 	Force timer broadcast." which is probably what mjg59 was referring to
[15:14] <mjg59> Mm. Yeah, if that's appearing then this probably isn't that issue
[15:16] <CarlFK> smb_tp: btw - I see I never posted the results of m .27 tests.  did you see my logs in bug 262437
[15:17] <CarlFK> I would like to say .27 doesn't have this problem, but it has so many other pauses it is hard to say this problem is really fixed right
[15:17] <smb_tp> mjg59, The delay loop still prints "calibrating delay using timer specific routine.." when using noapictimer. Not sure this is relevant, yet. But having exactly the same timestamp during several udelay calls is just too weird.
[15:18] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I did not look to deeply yet. But I remember there have been several hangs. Can you try noapictimer without too much effort on a 2.6.27?
[15:57] <CarlFK> where does "Running /scripts/init-bottom ... \nDone." get logged to?
[16:18] <CarlFK> smb_tp: so I was trying to note all the places .27 pauses, and i ran out of battery
[16:18] <CarlFK> plugged in, booted, and it seems like it is still pausing, but continuing on its own without me hitting any keys
[16:19] <smb_tp> CarlFK, was that with special options?
[16:19] <CarlFK> as the battery charges, does that generate some sort of event, similar to hitting the power button?
[16:19] <CarlFK> yes
[16:22] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I can't say for sure. I won't think so on charge. Which options did you use? noapictimer?
[16:22] <CarlFK> yes
[16:22] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Ok
[16:28] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Unfortunately the battery didn't last. I am not quite sure how well this can be matched to places where it hang to why it does. It still might be something timer related.
[19:48] <newz2000> hi, I have a prob with 2.6.27 and filed bug #264096. I just wondered if someone could let me know if further details are needed or if it looks good.
[19:59] <smb_tp> newz2000, so far it looks good
[20:00] <newz2000> ok, thanks a bunch. Ping me if you need more info.
[21:38] <doko> BenC, rtg: please could you have a look at bug #200589 ? both hardy and intrepid. or let me know, if I should test and upload myself
[21:43] <rtg> doko: huh, I just fixed a similar bug in the fritz pile.
[21:47] <doko> rtg: so this should be already fixed?
[21:48] <rtg> doko: nope, I'm just doing it. it'll be uploaded in a little bit.
[21:48] <doko> ahh, ok
[21:48] <doko> let me know, and I'll tst
[22:03] <rtg> doko: uploaded linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24_<IP_ADDRESS>-21.49
[22:05] <rtg> I guess Hardy is the end of the line for Fritz, huh?
[22:06] <rtg> I'm outta here.
[22:51] <nullack> Hi - is there an ETA for RC5 of .27 into Intrepid please?


[00:29] <xnox> https://launchpad.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html reading over there not sure how to run unittests =/
[00:30] <xnox> and precommit doesn't do it for me, and launchpad-ci doesn't appear to run unittests either
[00:30] <xnox> not sure how to run just the one new test case i wrote / subset of tests affected by my change.
[00:30] <xnox> i guess i'll do merge proposal and something else will run that for me


[03:39] <kbrooks> OUT AND ABOUT
[11:28] <[BlueT_at_Mars] > @schedule
[11:28] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[11:28] <[BlueT_at_Mars] > @schedule taipei
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Taipei: 16 May 20:00: Community Council | 17 May 20:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 20:00: Edubuntu
[11:51] <simira> @Schedule Oslo
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 16 May 14:00: Community Council | 17 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> fuck I'm in class during the next community council meeting.


[00:11] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Slick.
[02:19] <pmp6nl> Hey everyone, I recently moved to St. Paul and just wanted to give a shout out
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> Welcome pmp6nl.
[02:22] <tonyyarusso> Where'd you move from?
[02:23] <pmp6nl> Thanks tony.  I moved from Iowa
[02:24] <BushyToast> Hello there!  :-D
[02:24] <pmp6nl> Hi BushyToast
[02:25] <pmp6nl> It looks like you guys have a few people in irc, are you all pretty active?
[02:25] <BushyToast> I wish there was an active LUG in the area.  :-(  I haven't yet found any.
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> Iowa, eh?  Moving up in the world then.  ;)
[02:26] <BushyToast> Minnesota > Iowa
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> Well, "pretty active" is relative.  We do okay, but we're a far cry from where we should be still.
[02:27] <pmp6nl> Hehe.  I lived in ND for a while also.
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> Oh, so Iowa was exciting for you then.
[02:28] <pmp6nl> Are most of you in the metro or greater Minnesota?  (I am trying out the lingo I have been hearing)
[02:28] <pmp6nl> Fargo isnt bad
[02:28] <BushyToast> I refuse to believe that ND actually exists.  I think it's a story that parents tell their children, like Santa.
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> Metro here.
[02:28] <BushyToast> Metro.
[02:28] <pmp6nl> Well shoot, why dont we have an active LUG?
[02:29] <BushyToast> I wish we did.
[02:29] <pmp6nl> You would think there would be a significant number of Ubuntu users in the metro
[02:29] <BushyToast> I moved here from FL and we had a couple pretty active LUGs there.  There's a whole lot more tech here.  It confuses me.
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> h00k is our Wisconsin liason, near Rhinelander; ripps is Duluth; Takyoji is Faribault; sparklehistory is Metro; rlaager is Thief River Falls; not sure of the rest offhand.
[02:31] <pmp6nl> Oh ok. cool.  I noticed even the MN forums are pretty dead
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> There actually is a metro LUG group that we partner with.  The mailing list portion operates under the "TCLUG" name, and the in-person events portion operates under "Penguins Unbound".  The latter meets once a month on Saturday mornings in St. Paul, with a presentation on varying topics most months, and Ubuntu-focused (but not exclusive) installfests following Ubuntu releases in April and October.
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> The forum is probably our least-used resource.  More happens here and our mailing list.
[02:31] <BushyToast> Really?
[02:32] <pmp6nl> Sweet, thanks for the info on the metro Lug.  I will look for the mailing list
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> http://penguinsunbound.com/Meetings
[02:32] <BushyToast> Are the meetings well attended?
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> The topics didn't get filled in on there for most of them, but Brian always sends an announcement to the ML.
[02:33] <pmp6nl> Cool.  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TCLUG/
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> Probably two dozen normal months, more like four or five dozen for installfests.
[02:34] <BushyToast> It's been years since I've been to an installfest.  :-D
[02:34] <pmp6nl> Should be one coming up
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> Yep - the 29th.
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> All day affair, 9-5.
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> Kind of open-house-ish, come and go as you please.
[02:35] <pmp6nl> Shoot, thats a long time to wait
[02:35] <pmp6nl> (to install)
[02:36] <pmp6nl> Im ready to move beyond 10.04, I have been testing 11.10 and it works well on my laptop.  More than I can say for 10.10 and 11.04
[02:38] <BushyToast> I will certainly try to make it for the installfest.
[02:39] <pmp6nl> I think I will try also.  It would be cool to meet other linux people, beyond those I have converted
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'm using 10.04 on everything now, but plan to upgrade one or two to 11.10.
[02:42] <pmp6nl> How many computers do you run?
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Too many :P
[02:42] <BushyToast> My living room is filled with computers.  :-)  It's pretty sad.
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Mine are worse - they live in my bedroom.
[02:44] <BushyToast> I have two in there.
[02:44] <pmp6nl> hehe, nice.  people think I am crazy and I only have 3 operational computers
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> Two routers (with Linux firmware - DD-WRT and Linksys stock), one Linux minitablet (Maemo), two virtual private servers (Ubuntu), and thirteen local machines (Ubuntu).
[02:48] <BushyToast> I love DD-WRT.
[02:48] <BushyToast> I don't have 13 machines in my house.  :-)  Maybe OSs, but not physical computers.
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> Those are just mine...my other family members account for five more, and then there are two work laptops.
[02:51] <pmp6nl> Holy cow, 13+.  I have 3, an android phone, a boxee box, and i think that is all of my linux devices.  Unless something runs linux that I dont know
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous.
[02:51] <pmp6nl> I assume most are not used?
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> Well, they have varying degrees of use frequency.  Many are used for something semi-regularly.
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> Let's see....
[02:52] <pmp6nl> Tinkering with?  Servers? Distributed computing?
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> fort-frances is the primary router & access point - always on.  (DD-WRT)
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> thunder-bay is the secondary router & AP - currently on (and connected to it)  (Linksys)
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> moosonee is my personal VPS - always on, and what I'm running my IRC client from right now.
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> kashechewan is John Marty's campaign VPS - always on, running web sites and e-mail for him
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> geraldton is my old laptop - currently off needing a new hard drive, but what I have used to run development releases on recently
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> timmins is the new laptop - used daily, and what I'm no right now
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> nipigon is the Eee PC - used for class, meetings, travel, and other times when I need small form factor and long battery life
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> hearst is the Nokia minitablet - used occasionally when travelling sans-laptop, functioning largely as a PDA
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> thornloe is an ancient PII Compaq - usually off, used rarely only for networking experimentation
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> latchford is a second Compaq matching thornloe
[02:57] <tonyyarusso> killarney is a new 1U rackmount unit, currently in a long and slow process of being deployed for things like web & DNS caching, so will eventually be always-on but isn't yet
[02:58] <tonyyarusso> mattawa is an MSI nettop - always on, also serves as the audio switch for all of my devices (any of these computers can play through a set of speakers around my room)
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> dryden is normally an always-on system, but currently still in a bag from the last time I took it somewhere - it serves as my local APT repository cache, and often tags along to the installfests for that purpose as well.  I need to remember to plug it back in and get updated before the 29th.  ;)
[02:59] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Have enough computers there?  At this rate you're going to run out of Canadian towns . . . :P
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> atikokan is a file server, so always on and accessed all the time
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> powassan is another travelling system, so normally and currently off, although I'm thinking it will get deployed in a monitoring role at least partially as well.
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> kapuskasing is an old desktop that is currently for sale if you're interested - IBM NetVista M42
[03:01] <tonyyarusso> keewatin is another oldish desktop that doesn't have a well-defined purpose yet, but likely will soon when I get around to some reorganizing.
[03:01] <tonyyarusso> sudbury is my main desktop, so while not always on frequently so, and also runs virtual machines as necessary
[03:01] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: Nah, I have lots more names to use :P
[03:02] <Takyoji> egad, discussion.
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> I have names pre-provisioned to all of this for virtual machines, extra NICs, and likely future acquisitions as appropriate.
[03:02] <BushyToast> I'd hate to see your electric bill.
[03:03] <pmp6nl> Wow, thats crazy.  Thats why I was thinking Bushy
[03:03] <pmp6nl> I have yet to name my computers.
[03:03] <BushyToast> Used to have a huge Compaq server running Netware back in the day in a rack in the basement.  It was amazing the difference in the bill when it was turned off.
[03:03] <Takyoji> heh, the 29th is a bit late for an installfest. xP
[03:04] <pmp6nl> tonyyarusso, who is you ISP?  Takyoji: Thats what I was thinking
[03:04] <tonyyarusso> Reserved names currently are sault-sainte-marie, fort-severn, attawapiskat, peawanuck, greenstone, iroquois-falls, marathon, charlton, englehart, kirkland-lake, cobalt, temagami, temiskaming-shores, rankin, sioux-lookout, rainy-river, red-lake, sioux-narrows, nestor-falls, whitefish-bay, nipissing, cochrane, smooth-rock-falls, north-bay, espanola, markstay, thessalon, warren, elliot-lake, saint-charles, french-river, ...
[03:04] <Takyoji> Any IPv6? :P
[03:04] <tonyyarusso> ... sturgeon-falls, blind-river, algoma-mills, bruce-mines, and hilton-beach.
[03:04] <Takyoji> Also, registered on Linux Counter at all? :P
[03:05] <Takyoji> I'm contemplating on registering that whole school some time. :P
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> Additionally, I have 8 names provisioned for wireless SSIDs.  :P
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> pmp6nl: Qwest.
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Not at home, but both VPS systems have native IPv6.
[03:05] <Takyoji> and lemme guess, the new folks aren't anywhere south of the general metro area as usual? :P
[03:06] <Takyoji> Because you have Linode, yes. :P
[03:06] <Takyoji> As do I
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> I'll set up a tunnel for home soonish.
[03:06] <Takyoji> I've got a 6rd tunnel through Charter Communication
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> Some are on Linux counter, but my account is way out of date there.
[03:06] <pmp6nl> You got the 40/20meg they are offering now?  Nope, im Saint Paul
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> No - 7/.7
[03:07] <pmp6nl> Even for the servers hosting the websites?
[03:07] <Takyoji> but yea, as of the multi-purpose printer I mentioned earlier: HP PSC 2175 ( http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&product=90809 )
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> Those are Linodes, hosted in a real datacentre in Newark, New Jersey.
[03:07] <Takyoji> same datacenter as mine are. :P
[03:07] <Takyoji> With one exception of one in Atlanta
[03:08] <Takyoji> and we srsly need to start working on the group in general and all; or at least the website or similar. :P
[03:09] <pmp6nl> Ah gottcha, I thought you were running them from home.  Takyoji: I could provide limited help
[03:09] <Takyoji> I'm speaking from myself as being a web developer. :P
[03:10] <pmp6nl> ah ok
[03:10] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Yes, I know.  I believe I've even seen your spreadsheet of them all.  That doesn't make it less crazy ;)
[03:12] <Takyoji> We still have the traditional theme yet
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> yeah...
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> But I like that theme :P
[03:13] <Takyoji> but it's not about what you specifically like. :P
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> I suppose now that Unity is no longer terrible I could be talked into updating.
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> IT'S NOT?
[03:13] <Takyoji> The theme didn't really even have any relation to Unity in the first place. :P
[03:13] <Takyoji> There is no black or cold colors at all
[03:15] <Takyoji> and my god theming for Wordpress is so much more straightforward than theming for Drupal since each module in Drupal pretty much has it's own separate stylesheet (embedded /after/ the core theme's stylesheet, or at least in the implementation of the LoCo theme)
[03:16] <Takyoji> if not Wordpress, there's always the option of something Django based. :P
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, because we totally have time to write our own CMS software.
[03:19] <Takyoji> because it only takes a few lines of code to do it in Django? :P
[03:21] <Takyoji> or of using the several options available made with Django
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> What do you have against Drupal anyway?
[03:34] <Takyoji> the nature of the API, the internals such a the database structure, annoyance with theming and overriding module's themes and so on
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> What do you dislike about them though?  I actually think it's really nice...
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> Modules SHOULD be able to change things - that's sort of the point.
[03:36] <Takyoji> If you're a person that wants a CMS and wants to be able to add on additional functionality without any technical knowledge, Drupal is nice. But if you're moreso perfectionist and need specific tweaking, it doesn't feel comfortable.
[03:37] <Takyoji> and I don't see why a module should dictate images for each level of navigation, and color, and several other fine details
[03:37] <Takyoji> and that's the core navigation system
[03:38] <Takyoji> that's not semantic, that's visual; the theme is supposed to deal with visual details, the module should only deal with semantics.
[03:40] <Takyoji> I had to set '!important' to explicitly override any other rules dictating the bullet image for the navigation
[03:41] <Takyoji> which is a bad practice of having to resort to
[03:42] <Takyoji> ul.menu{list-style:none;border:none;text-align:left;}ul.menu li{margin:0 0 0 0.5em;}li.expanded{list-style-type:circle;list-style-image:url(/misc/menu-expanded.png);padding:0.2em 0.5em 0 0;margin:0;}li.collapsed{list-style-type:disc;list-style-image:url(/misc/menu-collapsed.png);padding:0.2em 0.5em 0 0;margin:0;}li.leaf{list-style-type:square;list-style-image:url(/misc/menu-leaf.png);padding:0.2em 0.5em 0 0;margin:0;}li a.active{
[03:42] <Takyoji> I believe this is actually pretty much all the module CSS: http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/sites/ubuntu-minnesota.org/files/css/css_5aa29846dc4f6ebca23b6439a131642e.css
[03:46] <Takyoji> and here's the theme itself: http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/sites/ubuntu-minnesota.org/themes/ubuntu-drupal-theme/css/dust.css
[05:59] <pmp6nl> See you all later


[18:33] <Saleesh> Is this chat active?
[18:46] <Saleesh> Dear Ubuntu team. I admire Ubuntu and am currently promoting the same among my friends and business associates. But I would like to do something more for ubuntu. I wish to help in the documentation of "Malayalam" an Indian Language. I am a native speaker of the language and have good command in both Malayalam and English. I have gone through the Malayalam version of Ubuntu and have seen that the translation made is not effective. If you give me a chan


[19:30] <tomreyn> ricotz: i assume you may be the only one able to answer this - if you have the time - but you weren't around when i posted this, so le me re-post: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/skkTkDfjTK/
[20:43] <tjaalton> tomreyn: tseliot maintains nvidia
[21:02] <ricotz> tomreyn, as t_jaalton said, but there is *no* open source driver, kernel module is kind of more open now while relying on a huge firmware blob
[22:18] <tomreyn> oh, i heard about the large firmware blob. so i guess this means it can become less annoying to maintain and use but not entirely.
[22:20] <tomreyn> thanks for your replies, i'll see if tseliot has any plans he can discuss, yet, regarding the open kernel module.


[00:00] <gl1d3r> Does anyone know how to get a server working over wifi on a password protected network?
[00:00] <jiboumans> spamaps: actually, it looks like the *last* thing cloud-init does is set the hostname.. so it'll override whatever i do in runcmd =/
[00:03] <SpamapS> jiboumans: guess you'll have to create an upstart task ;)
[00:04] <jiboumans> spamaps: don't be silly
[00:04] <SpamapS> task\nscript\necho bah > /etc/hostname && hostname bah\nend script
[00:04] <SpamapS> start on startup
[00:04] <SpamapS> actually
[00:04] <SpamapS> start on filesystem
[00:05] <jiboumans> and how would i pass that through userdata?
[00:05] <SpamapS> cloud-init has a mime type for upstart jobs
[00:06] <jiboumans> oh hells no
[00:06] <jiboumans> i have some shiny plain text yaml to pass
[00:06] <jiboumans> we're not butchering that for somethign silly like this :)
[00:07] <SpamapS> jiboumans: write-mime-multipart can take your yaml and marry it with an upstart job. :)
[00:07] <jiboumans> spamaps: surely in our time together you know that 'can' and 'should' aren't always the same thing :)
[00:08] <SpamapS> jiboumans: the mime type thing is a little bit obtuse, but what else can you do to insert unrelated data of unknown type in a single location?
[00:08] <SpamapS> actually
[00:08] <SpamapS> oo
[00:08] <jiboumans> things that look more obvious right now: 1) disable cloud metadata service
[00:08] <jiboumans> 2) run-cmd + fork
[00:08] <jiboumans> 3) crontab entry
[00:08] <SpamapS> you can just add it to the cloud-config
[00:08] <SpamapS> #upstart-job\n
[00:08] <SpamapS> followed by the upstart job
[00:09] <jiboumans> where're you reading this?
[00:09] <SpamapS> docs/examples
[00:09] <SpamapS> hmm not lucid seems
[00:09] <SpamapS> 2010-06-17 "fix cloud-config.conf upstart job"
[00:10] <jiboumans> yeah, has to be lucid
[00:10] <jiboumans> although i keep telling smoser to spin new isos with backporting cloud-init
[00:10] <jiboumans> it's probably the single most awesome app shipped by default on an ami imho :)
[00:11] <SpamapS> jiboumans: actually #upstart-job should work in 0.5.10
[00:12] <SpamapS> jiboumans: and agreed on that point. There's not much reason to spend time perfecting an AMI if you can write 4 lines of cloud-config and have your app deployed and configured
[00:12] <jiboumans> spamaps, using: /usr/share/doc/cloud-init/examples/upstart-cloud-config.txt ?
[00:13] <scubes13> what is best method of getting bind9 9.7.2 installed on 10.04 server?
[00:14] <SpamapS> scubes13: you can try just building from the natty source package. If that works, submit it for backports.
[00:14]  * SpamapS wishes the launchpad/ubuntu/+source/$package pages showed backports
[00:15] <scubes13> SpamapS: would I just grab it from here? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/i386/bind9/download
[00:15] <jiboumans> also: https://launchpad.net/~hauke/+archive/bind9/+build/1940598
[00:15] <jiboumans> scubes13: ^
[00:15] <SpamapS> scubes13: note that LaMont seems to be maintaining a backports PPA https://launchpad.net/~lamont/+archive/backports
[00:16] <lamont> SpamapS: maintain might be a bit overstretching it.
[00:16] <lamont> I tend to keep a current-ish bind9 package for hardy and lucid there
[00:16] <lamont> for really sloppy versions of "recent"
[00:16]  * lamont uploads his latest missives
[00:17]  * lamont tries to remember which of his packages he just broke for hardy
[00:18] <scubes13> jiboumans: maybe a stupid question, or obvious.. how do I proceed to install from the link you posted? ie, do I add this as a source (somehow) to sources.list?
[00:19] <jiboumans> scubes13: it links to: https://launchpad.net/~hauke/+archive/bind9
[00:19] <jiboumans> that explains how to add the ppa, basically:
[00:19] <jiboumans> add-apt-repository ppa:hauke/bind9
[00:19] <jiboumans> scubes13: no guarantee of the quality of course, but another ubuntu user has built it for lucid
[00:21] <scubes13> thanks - will give these a shot and see how far i get!
[00:21] <scubes13> really appreciate the help SpamapS jiboumans !
[00:21] <jiboumans> np scubes13, good luck
[00:28] <mathman54> need help locating resources
[00:31] <SpamapS> mathman54: you can find water with a divining rod
[00:35] <mathman54> hi pnunn
[00:36] <pnunn> hi mathman54
[00:36] <mathman54> what's up?
[00:36] <pnunn> not much... you?
[00:36] <mathman54> looking for info to set up postfix
[00:37] <pnunn> kkk.... what are you after?
[00:37] <mathman54> it is installed but I don't have any mailboxes setup and need to know how to do this
[00:38] <mathman54> i am hoping that there is a how=to someplace that I have not found yet
[00:41] <pnunn> OK... the default install is to have a mail box setup in each users home directory.  This can be configured though.
[00:41] <mathman54> how?
[00:41] <mathman54> where do I find my mailbox?
[00:42] <mathman54> there is no mailbox in my home directory
[00:43] <mathman54> hi cc
[00:47] <mathman54> hi
[00:47] <pnunn> Hmm... ok.. looks like the install maybe didn't go well... there are certainly howto's out there on postfix.
[00:48] <mathman54> do you know where?
[00:48] <pnunn> Sorry, not off the top of my head.. but look on the ubuntu forums.. there is lots of stuff there.
[00:48] <mathman54> hmmm
[00:48] <mathman54> ok i'll try that thanks
[00:49] <pnunn> Sorry I can't be more helpful... got to get a data centre sorted out for some visitors.
[01:23] <lamont> SpamapS: should the question come up, postfix is the one I broke wrt trivially backporting to hardy. debian bug 579668
[01:58] <mathman54> n
[01:59] <mathman54> quit
[02:08] <twb> Does kvm memory ballooning Just Work as at 10.04?
[03:48] <StrangeCharm> my freshly installed system isn't booting. my bios gets to 'verifying dmi pool', then nothing happens. things worked fine with this hardware configuration under the previous OS. there's no problem booting from removable media, just not when i try to boot from the hdd
[03:49] <twb> StrangeCharm: were you asking about this yesterday?
[03:51] <StrangeCharm> yep, twb. i ran file -s on sda, and it tells me that there's an x86 boot sector. looking at the alledged boot partition, there's a folder called grub. i'm not sure how to check that grub is installed right on that hdd, though.
[03:52] <twb> I still don't know :-(
[03:52] <twb> I think I'd be swapping hardware components in/out
[03:52] <demonspork> Chuck Norris keeps a photo of David Tennent under his pillow. Every night before bed, he strokes it, and sometimes, he cries.
[03:52] <twb> Also obviously you should unplug everything not needed to boot
[03:52] <demonspork> tennant*
[03:52] <StrangeCharm> it just doesn't make any sense to me. i'm going to keep asking periodically, until someone knows what broke.
[03:53] <twb> demonspork: you know what annoys me most?  He has a wicked Scottish accent, but didn't use it for Dr. Who
[03:53] <demonspork> lol
[03:53] <demonspork> yes
[03:53] <twb> StrangeCharm: most of us aren't mind readers and can't/won't break into your place to test your hardware
[03:54] <StrangeCharm> twb, i hope that someone will eventually go 'have you tried x' and be right
[03:54] <StrangeCharm> can i boot a hdd from the live cd?
[03:54] <twb> Theoretically, yes
[03:55] <twb> pass root=/dev/sda1 boot=local or so
[03:55] <twb> The kernel versions will need to match
[03:55] <StrangeCharm> which they should, if i'm using a live cd, after just trying to install
[03:56] <twb> Well TECHNICALLY it's a different build server vs. desktop, but probably not enough to piss it off
[03:56] <StrangeCharm> actually, i'm using the alt install disk and the desktop disk
[03:57] <StrangeCharm> root=/dev/sda1 boot=local doesn't seem to do anything
[03:58] <twb> StrangeCharm: you're passing those to the kernel at the boot: prompt?
[03:59] <StrangeCharm> twb, no, i was typing that into the kernet on the live disk
[04:00] <StrangeCharm> and when i say 'kernet', i mean command prompt
[04:00] <twb> StrangeCharm: that won't work
[04:00] <StrangeCharm> hmn, maybe i just need to mark the boot partition as bootable and try again ( the installer won't do that)
[04:00] <twb> StrangeCharm: no.
[04:01] <twb> Either you can do what I tell you, or you can ignore me and just keep guessing.
[04:01] <StrangeCharm> so i should reboot and tell it to boot from /dev/sda under the other boot option ?
[04:02] <twb> You asked if you could boot the HDD from the live CD.  You can, by telling the CD's bootloader to tell the CD's kernel and ramdisk "boot from an HDD" (boot=local) and which HDD to use (root=/dev/sda1).
[04:03] <twb> Where sda1 is the appropriate partition for your root filesystem
[04:03] <twb> Oh: it won't work if your root filesystem is under md RAID or LVM, because the live CD doesn't include support for those in its initrd.
[04:04] <StrangeCharm> twb, i don't have an unencrypted root, only an unencrypted boot, is that ok?
[04:04] <twb> StrangeCharm: no, that won't work
[04:05] <twb> You can pick "rescue" in the server (or alternate) CD, which will eventually allow you to mount your root filesystem on /target and chroot into it.  That will work with mdadm/lvm -- I THINK it'll also work with an encrypted rootfs.
[04:06] <StrangeCharm> twb, how does that help me?
[04:06] <twb> StrangeCharm: I don't know; presumably you can then do <whatever> to fix it.
[04:06] <StrangeCharm> sadly, i still don't know what whatever is
[04:07] <twb> Right.
[04:07] <StrangeCharm> could it hurt to set the boot partition as flagged bootable?
[04:07] <twb> grub will ignore the boot flag.
[04:07] <StrangeCharm> but i never get to grub
[04:09] <twb> StrangeCharm: unplug all unnecessary components from the system
[04:10] <StrangeCharm> that hasn't done anything. it just updates the dmi pool after the change, then verifies it as usual, in every case, not doing anything else afterwards
[04:11] <StrangeCharm> at minimum, i have the hdd, video card, cpu, ram, psu, and fans
[04:26] <Shidash> Hello
[06:56] <twb> cjwatson: it looks like insserv/startpar is disabled on lucid by default (/etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering).  Why?
[07:07] <twb> cjwatson: never mind, pere ("the insserv guy") confirmed it's because upstart and insserv aren't friends yet.
[08:38] <twb> I ran bonnie++ on a three-way RAID1 lucid box and on a three-way RAID5 hardy box.
[08:39] <twb> The lucid box was faster for most stuff, but per-chr is much lower.  Is that normal?
[08:50] <soren> twb: Are they otherwise identical?
[08:51] <twb> Unfortunately, no
[08:51] <twb> At a minimum, one's running a bunch of flipping vmware VMs and OpenVZ VEs, and the other is basically unused
[08:52] <twb> I just don't understand why the character rate specifically would be "backwards"
[08:52] <soren> That does seem odd.
[08:53] <soren> Are these RAID'ed at the disk level or partition level?
[08:53] <twb> partition
[08:53] <twb> And there's LVM on top
[08:53] <twb> (on both)
[08:54] <soren> I don't have a anything resembling a plausible explanation.
[08:54] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/100647/
[08:55] <twb> Maybe I'm just reading it wrong
[08:55] <soren> Oh, and different filesystems.
[08:56] <twb> Yeah, they're basically whatever the default is in d-i partman for that release (hardy / lucid)
[08:57] <twb> 3x1.5TB raid5/ext3/hardy and 3x2TB raid1/ext4/lucid
[08:58] <twb> ...which is interesting, because I just realized there's 500G unallocated on the RAID5 box at the partition level :-/
[08:58] <soren> I'm not sure what's going on there. I think you're reading it correctly, fwiw.
[08:58] <twb> Oh, because it's one 1.5TB and two 1TB
[09:52] <XeNoT> Anyone can help me with how to change the vlan on a VM? Currently the log gives me "...f9:57,vlan=0" as output when I start a machine, yet I want to use another vlan
[09:53] <twb> XeNoT: what virtualization technology?
[09:54] <XeNoT> KVM, machine build using vmbuilder
[09:59] <jfig> Server boot failure : i have a server (10.10) with softraid, wont boot, if I use rescue mode data on lvm appears ok in /target, booting from disk following messages appear "fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2" / "/dev/mapper/lvm1-lv1: clean, ......."
[10:05] <twb> jfig: AFAICT if you want a different VLAN tag, you just change vlan=0 to vlan=N
[10:05] <twb> Note that 0 and 1 are often "special" in 802.1q tagging
[10:08] <progre55> hi guys. I have set up exim4 on amazon, but because of the reverse DNS issue, the emails I send are getting flagged as spam. However, I have a hosting service, and I'd like to set up exim to send outgoing emails through that service. Is that possible?
[10:09] <jfig> twb: not a lan or vlan problem, server wont start boot
[10:10] <twb> Sorry, wrong person
[10:10] <twb> XeNoT: that was for you
[10:11] <XeNoT> I'll try it, thanks
[10:37] <jfig> how do i recover from a failed kernel upgrade ?
[10:38] <yann2> boot the previous kernel
[10:38] <jfig> no grub
[10:38] <soren> No grub?
[10:38] <soren> How do you boot?
[10:39] <twb> awful!
[10:39] <twb> Wait, wrong joke
[10:42] <icCode> who is the default owner of postfix's log files in /var/log (mail.info, mail.err, mail.warn)?
[10:42] <twb> probably postfix
[10:43] <twb> Nope, root:adm
[10:43] <twb> (as at 8.04)
[10:43] <icCode> thank you
[10:52] <jfig> how do i install grub from the rescue disk?
[14:12] <yann2> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/24/1346221/Ubuntu-May-Move-To-Rolling-Releases?from=rss while this is awesome for desktops it might be concerning for servers :)
[14:35] <smoser> SpamapS, upstart jobs should work in cloud-init
[14:35] <smoser> in lucid
[14:36] <smoser> i dont think you can add updstart jobs to cloud-config syntax anywhere.
[15:39] <HackeMate> hello
[15:40] <HackeMate> my /etc/sudoerrs is like this  www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
[15:40] <HackeMate> it's just perfect, but how can I let www-data to modify the dhcpd.conf?
[15:40] <HackeMate> only the dhcpd.conf
[15:44] <qman__> I hope this isn't internet-facing
[15:44] <qman__> just adjust the permissions on dhcpd.conf to grant www-data permission
[15:44] <qman__> I'd change the group-owner to www-data
[15:46] <Brumle> HackeMate: you can add the user www-data to the ACL of the file: setfacl -m u:www-data:rw file
[15:47] <qman__> that's assuming he has acls at all
[15:47] <qman__> which he probably doesn't
[15:48] <HackeMate> setfacl -m u:www-data:rw /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[15:48] <Brumle> HackeMate: you can then see the ACL by using "getfacl", and remember never to use cmod on that file.
[15:48] <HackeMate> setfacl: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf: Operation not supported
[15:48] <Brumle> ad "vi /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf" as a command in the sudoers-file
[15:49] <HackeMate> but is a cgifile who modifies that file
[15:49] <qman__> chgrp www-data /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[15:49] <HackeMate> if another user modifies the file via ssh will the group change?
[15:50] <qman__> only if he changes it
[15:50] <qman__> editing a file does not change the owner
[15:52] <qman__> or any permissions, for that matter
[16:30] <SpamapS> smoser: what jiboumans wanted was an upstart job and other cloud-config syntax in one file
[16:30] <SpamapS> smoser: I said the way I knew to do that was with the mime multipart
[17:00] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy!! You free to discuss PowerNap for a bit?
[17:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys im tyring to use apache benchmark
[17:21] <eagles0513875> whats the syntax to run 5000 page request to test how well apache handels all the requests
[17:23] <binBASH> ab -c 1 -n 5000 http://your-url.com/site.html
[17:24] <eagles0513875> whats the -c switch do
[17:25] <binBASH> concurrent clients
[17:25] <eagles0513875> and y 1
[17:25] <binBASH> because you asked for 5000 requests
[17:26] <binBASH> -c 10 = 10 x 5000 :)
[17:26] <eagles0513875> ahh
[17:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:28] <eagles0513875> binBASH: to improve performance im guess if it needs it i would need to go for a proxy server like squid?
[17:28] <binBASH> eagles0513875: you just have html sites there?
[17:29] <eagles0513875> binBASH: wordpress sites
[17:29] <binBASH> or some php/python dynamic stuff?
[17:29] <eagles0513875> so php html css javascript
[17:29] <binBASH> ok
[17:29] <eagles0513875> would you recommend a proxy server
[17:29] <eagles0513875> such as squid in this case for dynamic content
[17:29] <binBASH> for wordpress there should be some plugins already to speed up site performance
[17:29] <eagles0513875> i have heard really good things about squid
[17:29] <eagles0513875> would that be overkill
[17:30] <binBASH> eagles0513875: I dunno how much users your site has etc.
[17:30] <eagles0513875> funnily enough im not sure how many hits a day im getting either
[17:30] <binBASH> :D
[17:32] <eagles0513875> but currently my business is on the rise and the site im benchmarking atm gets quite alot of hits as alot of people already know about it according to my client
[17:33] <eagles0513875> binBASH: is there a way i can benchmark my databases
[17:35] <binBASH> eagles0513875: I think you're using mysql?
[17:35] <eagles0513875> si senor
[17:35] <eagles0513875> lol dont bust out the !es from the bot lol
[17:36] <binBASH> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysql-benchmarks.html
[17:36] <binBASH> for example;)
[17:37] <eagles0513875> binBASH: does the ubuntu mysql package come with them
[17:37] <binBASH> eagles0513875: http://www.tutorial9.net/web-tutorials/wordpress-caching-whats-the-best-caching-plugin/
[17:37] <binBASH> btw. :)
[17:38] <binBASH> I dunno that sorry
[17:39] <binBASH> if those plugins are not helping to improve site performance then you should consider using a proxy like varnish or squid
[17:39] <eagles0513875> im doign about 8.95 pages per sec :-/
[17:39] <eagles0513875> thsts not very good
[17:39] <binBASH> and how much with -k ?
[17:39] <binBASH> and from where did you bench? localhost? network? internet?
[17:40] <eagles0513875> lan
[17:40] <eagles0513875> from my laptop
[17:40] <eagles0513875> wired
[17:40] <eagles0513875> i think my bottleneck is my wifi router
[17:40] <eagles0513875> its linksys 100mbps
[17:40] <eagles0513875> new one is a small business gigabit router
[17:40] <eagles0513875> abgn cisco one
[17:41] <binBASH> what you get if you add -k to ab command?
[17:41] <PatrickDK> heh?
[17:41] <PatrickDK> if your going that slow, I wonder about you :)
[17:42] <PatrickDK> I can easily go 140 rps on a 1.4ghz p3 machine
[17:42] <eagles0513875> it coudl be the db needs some optomization
[17:42] <eagles0513875> im running 3 sites from the same wordpessdb
[17:43] <eagles0513875> binBASH: running the benchmark
[17:43] <eagles0513875> PatrickDK: also thinking my router is the bottleneck
[17:43] <PatrickDK> doubt it
[17:43] <eagles0513875> 100mbps router
[17:43] <eagles0513875> which is giving me random internet drop outs
[17:43] <PatrickDK> unless your wordpress, db, or testing machine is on wifi
[17:43] <eagles0513875> well
[17:43] <eagles0513875> its using ethernet over power
[17:44] <eagles0513875> and those run at 200mbps
[17:44] <PatrickDK> so?
[17:44] <eagles0513875> not sure if that could be a problem as well but im doubting it cuz performance is suprisingly stellar
[17:44] <eagles0513875> dunno i still think the router is the bottle neck
[17:45] <binBASH> eagles0513875: so what does ab show you? ;)
[17:45] <eagles0513875> still running
[17:45] <eagles0513875> hold on
[17:45] <binBASH> omg ;)
[17:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:46] <binBASH> how many requests did you send?
[17:46] <eagles0513875> 5000
[17:46] <eagles0513875> i should probably drop it down to bout 2000
[17:46] <binBASH> and what at -c ?
[17:47] <eagles0513875> 1
[17:47] <binBASH> really slow then ;)
[17:47] <eagles0513875> :-/
[17:48] <eagles0513875> well also i set a limit on the apache child processes
[17:48] <eagles0513875> forgot what its called
[17:48] <eagles0513875> max requests per child thread or something
[17:49] <eagles0513875> binBASH:  im not sure if the caching plugins would help
[17:49] <eagles0513875> if its this slow
[17:51] <eagles0513875> last 500 requests
[17:53] <eagles0513875> binBASH: thats the output http://pastebin.com/9XQ7HX26
[17:53] <binBASH> I'm pretty sure they'll help for most wordpress sites ;)
[17:53] <eagles0513875> wouldnt it be easier to setup squid then using a plugin for each individual site?
[17:54] <binBASH> so it looks like your keep-alive on the server is disabled ;)
[17:54] <eagles0513875> O_o
[17:54] <binBASH> eagles0513875: can you repeat tests with a static html file?
[17:54] <eagles0513875> what exactly does that do
[17:55] <eagles0513875> well i can repeate a test with my business site which isnt getting any traffic cept from me if ya like
[17:55] <binBASH> keep-alive doesn't close connections on every request
[17:55] <eagles0513875> should i enable it and run the benchmark again
[17:55] <binBASH> just test with a static html file now ;)
[17:56] <binBASH> then you can see what's the max speed of your server
[17:56] <eagles0513875> have a static php file if that counts for anything
[17:56] <binBASH> no
[17:56] <binBASH> html :D
[17:56] <eagles0513875> just a basic html file
[17:56] <binBASH> yup
[17:56] <eagles0513875> can it be a blank file with an html extension
[17:56] <binBASH> you can create a text file with Hello World in it :D
[17:56] <binBASH> same thing
[17:56] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:58] <binBASH> driving home will read your stuff in 30 mins or so
[17:58] <binBASH> cya
[17:58] <eagles0513875> binBASH: ok
[17:58] <eagles0513875> benchmarking now
[18:08] <eagles0513875> binBASH: apr_socket_recv: Connection timed out (110) Total of 30 requests completed
[18:12] <PrestonConnors> Hello, sometimes I see kernel log file messages with operation="profile_remove" in them. What does operation="profile_remove" mean? Where can I get more information on this topic?
[18:12] <PrestonConnors> Thie affects me because when I try to start some kvm VMs via virsh start this log file message is generated and virsh start just hangs.
[18:14] <ssureshot> where would the sendmail site.config.m4 file be placed in ubuntu? /?/?/devtools/site
[18:15] <SpamapS> ivoks: bug 681071 .. you should probably click the 'This affects me too' button. ;)
[18:15] <ivoks> SpamapS: :) thanks
[18:19] <PrestonConnors> Is apparmor a Ubuntu-only thing? Does it come included with Debian?
[18:20] <SpamapS> ivoks: no problem.. allowed me to get intimate with upstart's ptrace stuff. :)
[18:21] <ivoks> SpamapS: that problem is my nightmare for some time :)
[18:22] <ivoks> SpamapS: i have an upstart job that sends term in pre-stop to corosync and then waits for some time before exiting :)
[18:22] <SpamapS> ivoks: yeah, thats not supposed to happen. ;)
[18:22] <SpamapS> ivoks: I'm working on a patch to upstart to solve that bug btw..
[18:23] <SpamapS> It may be 3 lines
[18:23] <SpamapS> or, I may be incredibly naive
[18:24] <ivoks> SpamapS: i've learned that being too optimistic always backfires
[18:24] <zul> heh
[18:24] <zul> ivoks: you have been an ubuntu dev too long :)
[18:24] <ivoks> oh, that reminds me
[18:24] <ivoks> i nee to apply for ubuntu-motu :)
[18:27] <PrestonConnors> Does anyone know how apparmor and libvirt communicate with each other? Specifically under what conditions does libvirt trigger operation="profile_remove"?
[18:29] <eagles0513875> PrestonConnors: apparmor fyi comes on most distros
[18:29] <PrestonConnors> I'm trying to work with apparmor but I'm unclear on what operation="profile_remove" is and what triggers it in relation to libvirt and virsh start.
[18:32] <zul> ScottK: how does the backport process work?
[18:33] <ScottK> !backports | zul
[18:33] <ScottK> I think that explains it.
[18:33] <ScottK> Let me know if not.
[18:33] <jiboumans> summon smoser!
[18:36] <Daviey> lo jiboumans o/
[18:37] <Daviey> ScottK: I was under the impression -backports was changing somewhat this cycle?
[18:37] <jiboumans> hi daviey
[18:37] <ScottK> Depends on if I get to it or not.
[18:37] <ScottK> That's the intent.
[18:38] <Daviey> ScottK: The wiki page is what you /want/, or what it is currently?
[18:38] <SpamapS> ScottK: is there a spec somewhere that maybe one of us could pick up if you don't get to it?
[18:38] <ScottK> Daviey: ~current.
[18:39] <Daviey> ScottK: If what you want is spec'd out, it could be split up - if you are concerned you don't have enough time.
[18:39] <ScottK> SpamapS: There is, but it won't help much.  The work item is something like "[kitterman] Write up a proposal for what we want to change for the Tech Board"
[18:39] <draven_sol> is encrypted raid possible using the server install 10.04 disk?
[18:40] <Daviey> ScottK: Ah, ok - that is kinda a blocker
[18:40] <draven_sol> i've managed to successfully install what appears to be  an encrypted raid system but if i power down and pull one drive i can't boot degraded like i can if i don't have the encryption on the raid
[18:48] <zul> smoser is on holiday apparently
[18:50] <jiboumans> d'oh
[18:50] <SpamapS> ScottK: but if we wrote a draft for you, you could just edit/stamp it and present it for the TB?
[18:50] <ScottK> Well it's the sort of thing that would take me about as long to explain as to write.
[18:50] <ScottK> I have this theory it will get done over Thanksgiving break.
[18:51] <SpamapS> jiboumans: its this crazy tradition we have where we eat an insane amount of food and fight with relatives.
[18:51] <jiboumans> spamaps: i'm keenly aware
[18:51] <jiboumans> i'm also aware that's tomorrow ;)
[18:51] <SpamapS> ScottK: alright, I'll cross my fingers
[18:51] <SpamapS> jiboumans: will you be partaking in the engorgement?
[18:52] <jiboumans> spamaps: we're having some family over and there'll be turkey
[18:52] <jiboumans> so in a traditional sense 'yes'
[18:52] <SpamapS> I will be the only person with "only" US citizenship at my thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. ;)
[18:53] <SpamapS> one czech, one italian, one spaniard, and one half czech/half american.
[18:53] <SpamapS> oh and two 1/3 italian, 1/3 spaniard, 1/3 americans. :)
[18:53] <ScottK> 1/3 is tough to get right.
[18:54] <SpamapS> agreed.. you have to cust just below the armpits and hips
[18:54] <SpamapS> s/cust/cut/
[19:12] <hallyn> SpamapS: ivoks: nice (681071)
[19:14] <SpamapS> hallyn: booting a vm right now to try out a patched upstart ;)
[20:28] <SpamapS> kirkland: was looking at your puppet change that just popped up on the blueprints. I've been using approx now for a few days, and I'm not sure its scalable enough for large scale deployments.
[20:29] <SpamapS> kirkland: execing curl works great for a couple of debootstraps on the local machine, but I think it might bog down and/or fail with say 100 machines all trying to fetch stuff at once.
[20:36] <binBASH> re
[20:36] <binBASH> eagles0513875?
[20:37] <_Techie_> what you want him for?
[20:38] <binBASH> he wanted to know about his webserver probs ;)
[20:38] <_Techie_> which were
[20:38] <_Techie_> im in need of some humour this morning
[20:39] <binBASH> Slow wordpress site;)
[20:40] <binBASH> _Techie_: why humour?  :D
[20:40] <_Techie_> im in another channel with him
[20:41] <_Techie_> anyway, im gonna have to get back to you, gotta install some graphics drivers
[20:46] <binBASH> wb _Techie_
[20:46] <_Techie_> ty
[20:46] <_Techie_> still not totaly done though
[20:47] <_Techie_> okay, restarting
[20:50] <_Techie_> omg, so much better now that i have all 3 creens running
[20:50] <_Techie_> screens*
[20:59] <SpamapS> Interesting...
[20:59] <SpamapS> Important Change: Replication: The LOAD DATA INFILE statement is now considered unsafe for statement-based replication. When using statement-based logging mode, the statement now produces a warning; when using mixed-format logging, the statement is made using the row-based format. (Bug#34283)
[20:59] <SpamapS> as of mysql 5.1.50
[21:21] <fuho> Hi everyone
[22:05] <clayd> i am running a small web server on 10.04 and noticing that the memory useage is almost completely masxed out.  any hints at what i could go look at to figure out what is causing this?
[22:15] <Datz> clayd: see what is using memory with program "top"
[22:16] <clayd> i ust found that.  apache is using quite a bit but i dont understand why.  will have to look more into that.  thank though
[22:17] <RoyK> clayd: set swappiness to 100
[22:17] <RoyK> it helps a bit
[22:17] <clayd> what is swappiness?  is that in the apache conf file?
[22:17] <RoyK> swapping out pages not used much
[22:18] <RoyK> clayd: sysctl vm.swappiness
[22:18] <RoyK> normally it's at 60, set it to 100 and linux will swap out earler
[22:19] <RoyK> meaning more memory will be used for usual stuff even if some process allocates a bunch
[22:20] <clayd> i am starting to think my biggest issue is running a wordpress site on a 512 cloud server :(
[22:20] <clayd> I figured it wouldn't be that big of an issue/.   I will try swappiness though.  anything can help from what i can see
[22:21] <RoyK> are you administrating the server yourself?
[22:21] <clayd> yes
[22:21] <RoyK> how many VMs? how much memory?
[22:22] <JanC> I think clayd means he has a virtual server
[22:22] <clayd> oh the server is on the Rackspace system.  I am not admin on that side of things.  I only have admin on the VM
[22:23] <_Techie_> if it is possible, convert the wordpress site to static pages nad host it that way rather than using a modular setup
[22:23] <_Techie_> that should make things run faster
[22:24] <JanC> it should run fine in a VM with 512 MiB, unless it has a huge number of visitors
[22:24] <RoyK> _Techie_: I think you should ask the #wordpress people about that, but afaik, no, I don't think that's possible
[22:24] <Pici> There are worpdress plugins that will do that.
[22:25] <clayd> actually you can.  there is a plug in for it that does it for you but i am not a huge fan of it for everything.  You can still set up completely static pages.
[22:26] <JanC> if the site doesn't have a lot of traffic it might help to limit the number of apache child processes, and/or recycle them more often
[22:26] <clayd> also a big factor to the load is the requirments and all the massive content (images and such)
[23:06] <IdleOne> _Techie_: not cool.
[23:21] <_Techie_> IdleOne, is there any particular reason i havent been banned from here, being that its the only channel where nobody has complained, ive had people complain over in #xubuntu where its far more dead tahn it is here
[23:21] <clayd> made off topic comments :)
[23:22] <_Techie_> clayd, the ban is about my away nick
[23:23] <_Techie_> which i use because not all clients show different colours on nicks in the userlist
[23:23] <_Techie_> the freenode qwebirc client being included in the group of clients that dont
[23:24] <_Techie_> and apparantly one line for when i leave and one line for when i join is considered a spammy away
[23:25] <_Techie_> wow, thats spam... that deserves a ban
[23:28] <_Techie_> IdleOne, dont ignore me, i know your there
[23:28] <IdleOne> _Techie_: channel ops here are free to ban you or not.
[23:29] <_Techie_> any channel ops preset?
[23:29] <IdleOne> it is up to them but normally the same rules apply to all Ubuntu channels
[23:29] <_Techie_> present*
[23:29] <IdleOne> Also, don't speak to me like I owe you anything.
[23:31] <IdleOne> I have been very polite and tried to help you out concerning the ban in #ubuntu, you chose to not resolve the ban and you chose to ban evade.
[23:31] <IdleOne> if you want to discuss it further you know where to join
[23:32] <_Techie_> i wish to speak with an op of #ubuntu-server to see whether they deem my away nicks to be of a neusance so i can decide if i wish to leav this channel as i did #xubuntu
[23:33] <clayd> is it common to have apache running 10 times on a server with no traffic?
[23:33] <_Techie_> yes
[23:33] <_Techie_> it can be very common
[23:33] <clayd> thanks
[23:55] <veovis1> In Ubuntu Server 10.04, I have a banner that tells me basic resource usage whenever I log in through SSH.  On one server, we requested an install of 10.04, but they installed 10.10 instead, and it doesn't have that.  What is that called so I can enable it again
[23:55] <veovis1> ?
[23:56] <_Techie_> its a MOTD, although its enabled somewhere els