[03:06] <grahamperrin[m]> Back to basics for a moment. With FreeBSD, I know that hibernate e.g. suspend to disk is not possible. With Kubuntu, I'm surprised to find a notebook with a flat battery after a period of sleep.
[03:07] <grahamperrin[m]> Must I set a preference, for Kubuntu to automatically hibernate when the battery drops below some level?
[03:14] <DarinMiller> grahamperrin[m]: System settings -> Power Mang.  -> Energy Savings -> On low battery (tab)
[03:14] <DarinMiller> although, i am not sure it will wake from suspend to hibernate....
[03:15] <DarinMiller> hibernation has never been a strong point for Linux, so don't be surprised if you encounter issues. i.e. Ensure to save any work before testings.
[03:35] <grahamperrin[m]> DarinMiller: thanks
[03:37] <grahamperrin[m]> Digging deeper, in retrospect maybe it was not a flat battery. I charged it for a while, still no boot; removed the battery and it would not boot with the power adapter alone; reinserted the batter, removed the adapter, still no boot. Eventually rekindled by pressing and holding the power button probably whilst without the battery or power adapter.
[03:37] <grahamperrin[m]> (I had previously pressed and held the power button, without effect.)
[03:38] <grahamperrin[m]> Just one of those things. I had similar misbehaviour with the hardware (Ergo Vista 621) a handful of times in the past.
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:09] <freakyy> hi ;D
[06:09] <freakyy> what do u guys think, should i try out kde? ... i currently only have ubuntu gnome installed and i wonder how kde looks like now with 17.10 ;D
[06:10] <freakyy> if i install kubuntu-desktop, will it also install plymouth theme or just install but not switch default?
[06:10] <hateball> Yep!
[06:10] <freakyy> ok so then - i need to install kubuntu-desktop right?
[06:11] <freakyy> hateball:
[06:12] <hateball> freakyy: Yeah, to get all associated applications etc
[06:12] <freakyy> ok installing. download at 1,5MB/s means, around 4 mins 30 secs to download everything ;D
[06:12] <hateball> :)
[06:13] <freakyy> i wonder, is the default theme good or should i try something like
[06:13] <freakyy> adapta
[06:13] <hateball> freakyy: Personally I use look&feel to pick breeze-dark
[06:13] <lordievader> What you could also do, if you don't want to mess with your current install, is download a live image.
[06:14] <hateball> freakyy: installing kubuntu-desktop will also change your login manager to sddm instead of.. whatever vanilla ubuntu uses now
[06:14] <freakyy> nah, i can easily switch back plymouth and i guess, what does gdm use as login manager?
[06:14] <hateball> well, you'll get asked which you want to use
[06:14] <freakyy> i mean, gnome
[06:14] <freakyy> gdm right? and not kdm?
[06:14] <freakyy> hateball: ok ;D
[06:15] <hateball> it used to be lightdm, but I am not sure if they switched back to gdm
[06:15] <freakyy> i think they switched back to gdm
[06:15] <freakyy> as gdm is installed
[06:16] <freakyy> lightdm isnt
[06:18] <freakyy> how do i switch display manager lager on?
[06:18] <freakyy> if i wanna try sddm but wanna switch back to gdm too?
[06:18] <freakyy> its installin now
[06:19] <freakyy> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:19] <freakyy> found out ;D
[06:19] <freakyy> thx
[06:19] <freakyy> it will take another 5 minutes i guess to install
[06:27] <freakyy> hateball:  hm ok (about breeze-dark)
[06:29] <freakyy> 1/3 left
[06:29] <freakyy> im installing on my laptop so everythins a bit slow
[06:29] <freakyy> but i might like kde but still, gnome is good
[06:29] <freakyy> does kde have something like these windows 10 features, where, only the icon is in the bottom bar and u can "stick" it to the panel?
[06:31] <lordievader> KDE goes very far in customizing it how you like it. I think that what you describe is possible.
[06:33] <freakyy> ok thanks
[06:33] <freakyy> the install is soon finished
[06:33] <freakyy> ill then - switch desktops
[06:33] <freakyy> wahts the default console für kde? still konsole?
[06:33] <freakyy> it finished installing
[06:33] <freakyy> switching, brb
[06:34] <hateball> freakyy: you can rightclick running apps and "pin a launcher when not running" or some such
[06:34]  * hateball only uses hotkeys or krunner to launch things, has no icons
[06:35]  * lordievader same here
[06:58] <freakyy> yay
[06:58] <freakyy> i like kde
[06:58] <freakyy> it looks good
[06:58] <freakyy> the dark theme
[06:59] <freakyy> etc.
[06:59] <freakyy> though i dont like konsole better than gnome terminal
[07:01] <freakyy> hm kubuntu has many features
[07:01] <freakyy> i must say
[07:01] <freakyy> it looks nice
[07:01] <freakyy> is it possible that its slower than gnome? oO
[07:02] <freakyy> i mean takes longer to bood
[07:03] <hateball> what do you mean by boot?
[07:03] <hateball> from the time you enter password until desktop shows?
[07:03] <hateball> freakyy: also note that the first time you run, baloo will index your ~/ so that slows it down a bit
[07:04] <hateball> well, not only the first time, continously, but the first time will be noticeable..
[07:05] <freakyy> hateball: yes ... the desktop takes long to load. especially, firs tsteam is displayed, then discord ... and later first the desktop
[07:05] <freakyy> i like kde connect
[07:05] <hateball> :)
[07:05] <freakyy> but dont know where my music files are free-hand ;D
[07:06] <freakyy> how can i make the bottom bar default size
[07:06] <freakyy> i played with it now its too smal
[07:06] <freakyy> l
[07:07] <hateball> well... resize it?
[07:07] <hateball> the way you made it smaller, make it bigger :p
[07:07] <valorie> hit the "hamburger" menu and resize
[07:09] <freakyy> hateball: hm, id like to stick with the default
[07:09] <freakyy> a pitty u cant reset to default
[07:12] <freakyy> hm
[07:12] <freakyy> is there anything in kde i should check out? :D
[07:12] <freakyy> im already usin breeze dark
[07:12] <freakyy> ;D
[07:13] <freakyy> can i uninstall ubuntu desktop im wondering
[07:13] <freakyy> or should i do a fresh install
[07:13] <freakyy> but then id have to do it on 2 pcs
[07:13] <freakyy> and install lots of stuff again
[07:14] <hateball> freakyy: well... if you uninstall ubuntu-desktop I guess it might have common deps with kubuntu-desktop and that would cause unwanted breakage
[07:14] <freakyy> ok
[07:14] <freakyy> then il just keep ubuntu
[07:14] <hateball> so if you want "clean" then installing clean is the only way I'd say
[07:15] <hateball> least painful, at any rate
[07:15] <hateball> unless you're strapped for disk space there's not much point in removing the gnome stuff
[07:15] <freakyy> ok ;D
[07:15] <hateball> suppose it saves time during upgrades etc
[07:15] <freakyy> nah i have lots of disk space
[07:15] <freakyy> doesnt matter
[07:17] <freakyy> i used kde back before plasma
[07:17] <freakyy> ;D
[07:17] <freakyy> nice how it evolved ;D
[07:17] <freakyy> hope they continue adding cool features
[07:18] <hateball> I think that's the general idea :p
[07:18] <hateball> but yeah, a "restore fresh session" option might be something nice, but it does not exist for now
[07:18] <hateball> freakyy: you can however rightclick a "broken" panel and remove it, then rightclick the workspace and add a new default panel
[07:23] <freakyy> i have another question. google chrome doesnt have like, the normal close/minimzie etc. buttons but instead the default kde ones. usually chrome doesnt use system window decorations?
[07:24] <freakyy> oh wait
[07:24] <freakyy> now it doesnt but
[07:24] <freakyy> it doesnt display minimize/close etc at all now
[07:27] <freakyy> want a screenshot?
[07:27] <freakyy> if i maximize the window it wont work
[07:27] <freakyy> no more close/maximize/minimize
[07:28] <freakyy> how to make screenshots in kde?
[07:30] <freakyy> https://i.imgur.com/9G8QBPX.png
[07:35] <freakyy> also on the lower right u can see, 2 icons not visible - thats steam and owncloud
[07:35] <freakyy> how can i make them visible?
[07:35] <freakyy> i might need to change something dunno one moment relogging in
[07:35] <freakyy> ah nm not now
[07:35] <freakyy> later
[07:36] <oerheks> what is that 'Uwe' label ?
[07:36] <freakyy> thats my name
[07:36] <freakyy> its logged in into google chrome - and synchronization
[07:36] <oerheks> oke, so logged in on your google account, it displays over the min-max-close?
[07:37] <hateball> freakyy: you can rightclick chrome title bar and tell it to use system decorations or not
[07:38] <hateball> it's the same with chromium, and in for example incognito mode as well (not logged in)
[07:38] <hateball> it started a while back, I forgot about filing a bug for it
[07:38] <hateball> freakyy: you should see the window controls if Chrome isnt maximized tho
[07:39] <freakyy> yes but i dont want to use system-bar and if i dont use system bar, it shows like on the screenshot
[07:39] <freakyy> yes then i see them
[07:40] <hateball> freakyy: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=375650
[07:41] <freakyy> thats a real pitty
[07:41] <freakyy> that it doesnt work like this
[07:42] <freakyy> it should work ;(
[07:42] <freakyy> and that since 2013?
[07:42] <hateball> lol there's older chromium bugs than that xD
[07:43] <oerheks> or it is the " That button which appears next to the min/max/close button is called "Enable new profile management "
[07:44] <freakyy> i voted for the bug
[07:49] <freakyy> brb restart
[07:51] <hateball> freakyy: as you can see it is duplicate of https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=594490 tho, and that seems like it should be fixed in 63
[08:01] <freakyy> im using chrome beta but still the problem ;D
[08:02] <freakyy> btw, every time i try to shutdown or restart, the lower right thing says: "Shutdown canceled by """
[08:02] <freakyy> and if i do it again it works then
[08:04] <jonathan_x> Anyone have a clue how I can get LVM to ignore a physical volume that was previously activated?
[08:04] <jonathan_x> I mean how can I completely remove a physical volume from the memory of the system?
[08:05] <jonathan_x> Filtering doesn't work, it is still using the volume group and its volumes, even after I deactivated the vg.
[08:08] <jonathan_x> Oh apologies, I used "filter" instead of "global_filter"
[08:11] <freakyy> hateball? :)
[08:12] <hateball> freakyy: What?
[08:13] <freakyy> hateball: do u know about the problem that when u click shutdown, it stops with message: Shutdown canceled by "" ?
[08:13] <freakyy> because i have to click twice every time
[08:14] <hateball> probably caused by some app you've got running
[08:15] <freakyy> yea :(
[08:16] <hateball> trial and error is all I can suggest, not sure if there's a way to enable some verbose logging of plasmashell
[08:17] <freakyy> ok but i want to use all programs that i have running
[08:17] <freakyy> oh and i dont need ibus panel
[08:17] <freakyy> can i stop it from beeing displayed?
[08:20] <freakyy> hm, id like a better font for konsole let me check
[08:21] <hateball> freakyy: I mean that if you kill apps 1 by 1 before shutdown you'd find out which one prevents proper shutdown, and then you can troubleshoot that
[08:21] <freakyy> i know
[08:21] <freakyy> yea i will have to do that
[08:21] <freakyy> now i have a nice font
[08:22] <freakyy> i like ubuntu mono
[08:22] <freakyy> :)
[08:22] <freakyy> as console font
[08:22] <freakyy> :D
[08:22] <freakyy> better than "Hack" ;D
[08:22] <hateball> for instance Steam used to prevent proper shutdown, so it had to be closed first
[08:22] <freakyy> yes i have steam installed
[08:22] <freakyy> cant they do anything bout that
[08:22] <freakyy> with gnome it works
[08:28] <hateball> I said used to, it should be fixed
[08:28] <freakyy> does kde have a bluelight filter
[08:28] <hateball> It was just an example, I don't know what applications you run
[08:29] <freakyy> ok thanks :D
[08:29] <freakyy> do u know if kde has a bluelight filter?
[08:29] <valorie> freakyy: it's coming
[08:29] <freakyy> awkay ;D
[08:29] <valorie> if it's not already in plasma 5.11.1
[08:29] <freakyy> thx ^^
[08:29] <valorie> which is what I'm running
[08:29] <freakyy> valorie: r u on kubuntu 17.10?
[08:29] <freakyy> im on kubuntu 17.10
[08:29] <valorie> will soon be available in backports for Artful
[08:29] <freakyy> ok ;D
[08:30] <freakyy> how do i enable backports with kde?
[08:30] <valorie> oh yes, have been since the alpha
[08:30] <valorie> !backports
[08:30] <dax> there's a plasma widget for redshift, if plasma doesn't have it built in yet
[08:30] <valorie> yup
[08:30] <hateball> like valorie said, it will come with kwin in 5.11
[08:30] <dax> !info plasma-applet-redshift-control
[08:30] <valorie> redshift works pretty well these days
[08:30] <freakyy> oh i have to add an extra ppa?
[08:31] <valorie> backports is a PPA, yes
[08:31] <valorie> only tested stuff goes in there
[08:31] <valorie> I've always run backports and never had a problem
[08:31] <valorie> for like 7 years
[08:32] <freakyy> awkay thx ;D
[08:33] <valorie> we might wait until Plasma 5.11.2 because there is one bugfix we want to get in there
[08:33] <freakyy> ok :) adding backports on my laptop now too
[08:35] <freakyy> is there any integration with owncloud in kde?=
[08:37] <hateball> freakyy: you can install the owncloud client if you like
[08:38] <hateball> last time I did it wiped my kwallet without asking, but that was a while ago
[08:38] <hateball> I've only used it through a browser since
[08:38] <freakyy> ok then ill use the one from their website, thx ;D
[08:38] <valorie> nextcloud might be a better bet
[08:39] <valorie> the original maintainer went there
[08:39] <freakyy> nah i have an owncloud server
[08:42] <freakyy> no, it's steam :(
[08:50] <hateball> freakyy: hmmm, maybe only fixed in beta then
[08:51] <hateball> freakyy: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3301
[08:51] <hateball> iirc it was fixed at some point, maybe it's re-broken. whatever, I just kill it manually prior to shutdown :p
[09:00] <freakyy> ok thank you
[09:20] <Drinfeld> I have Kubuntu 17.04 AMD64 installed and I am using the nvidia driver. Can I upgrade to 17.10 without problems or do I have to disable the nvidia driver first?
[09:23] <hateball> Drinfeld: You can upgrade just fine
[09:24] <hateball> Drinfeld: if you are using the nvidia ppa it will get disabled tho, so you'll need to fix that after upgrade
[09:25] <hateball> if you're just using default repos, nothing special will happen
[09:25] <Drinfeld> hateball: OK, thanks!
[09:28] <user|26263> hello
[09:29] <jonathan_x> What would be the best VM for running Linux from within Windows, and without considering VirtualBox?
[09:30] <jonathan_x> And I mean mostly: pleasant integration within Windows for full desktop switching.
[10:16] <hateball> jonathan_x: ask ##windows
[10:17] <jonathan_x> I'm asking here.
[10:18] <hateball> I can see that
[10:18] <hateball> And we don't support questions about what hypervisor to run on a Windows host
[10:29] <jonathan_x> I'm not asking you.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:57] <user|1682> Hello
[12:57] <user|1682> Anybody here?
[12:58] <user|1682> Who can help me with the hold mouse in Kubuntu 16.04? Also known as "Simulate secondary click"
[13:03] <hateball> hmm
[13:03] <hateball> I'm not familiar with that term I am afraid
[13:04] <hateball> user|1682: oh, like hold down the left mousebutton simulates clicking the right mousebutton?
[13:07] <hateball> I guess this is it https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-right-click.html ?
[13:07] <hateball> No idea how to achieve that using Plasmas accessibility things I'm afraid
[13:09] <user|72686> yeah it is  https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-right-click.html
[13:09] <user|72686> i need to disable that in kubuntu 16 04
[13:09] <user|72686> but i haven't found that in system settings
[13:09] <hateball> *disable* ? how is it enabled in the first place?
[13:12] <user|72686> When I installed my Kubuntu, i've found that when I click right button and hold its down, automaticly clicking the action
[13:13] <user|72686> I've searched that in Google
[13:13] <user|72686> And found which function in the system settings I need
[13:13] <user|72686> but i haven't found that function in the system settings of kubuntu
[13:16] <user|72686> So what can I do?
[13:16] <user|72686> with the problem
[13:21] <hateball> wait, now you're talking about holding down the right button?
[13:22] <user|72686> look at this function https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-right-click.html
[13:22] <user|72686> in the article talking about how to ENABLE that function
[13:23] <user|72686> but in Kubuntu 16.04 that HAS ALREADY ENABLED
[13:23] <user|72686> And I need to disable that
[13:49] <o_a> Hello, all. Is there something wrong with the Kubuntu servers? I'm running the update process and it's slow as hell
[13:50] <o_a> The download even stops at times
[13:50] <o_a> Is this happening only at my end or it's also happening for someone else?
[13:51] <hateball> o_a: Try switching mirrors
[13:51] <acheronuk> not heard anything specific today, but it's not unusual for the servers and mirrors to be under heavy load and have a bit of a go slow the few days after release.
[13:51] <D0U91E> I installed 17.10 installed some packages successfully edited my fstab and now my 17.10 boots to cli login where I need to maintenence somethning'
[13:52] <D0U91E> any advice?
[13:55] <D0U91E> Yes D0U91E remove you nfs mount in fstab...
[13:55] <D0U91E> How do you mount samba shares like in 17.04?
[14:33] <edward__> KUBUNTU 17.10 doesn't load pulseaudio.
[14:33] <edward__> any clues?
[14:34] <o_a> acheronuk: Thanks
[14:35] <acheronuk> edward__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#pulseaudio_-_devices_not_showing.2Fpulseaudio_crash
[14:35] <stanley> hi
[14:35] <o_a> How do I switch mirrors mid-update? I'm running the do-release-update graphical tool
[14:35] <stanley> i have a question about cantata.
[14:35] <o_a> I'm afraid to break something
[14:35] <stanley> does cantata can set a socks5 proxy?
[14:36] <stanley> #kubuntu-cn
[14:42] <dougiel> 17.10 does not mount my network shares anymore .04 works flawlessly
[14:44] <user|92456> hey all
[14:44] <user|92456> having a bit of an issue with kubuntu
[14:45] <user|92456> i have it installed in an external drive sled.  can't get my wireless card to be recognized
[15:54] <freakyy> hi. is it normal that the app-starter icon on the lower left is NOT animated? i mean it doesnt give any response wheni hover over it.
[15:55] <terrori> привет
[16:03] <freakyy> is kubuntu going to implement windows-10 like application-panel? where each application has just an icon and not font written?
[16:10] <EvilRoey> hi
[16:10] <EvilRoey> is kubuntu 17.10 with wayland by defualt or with x.org ?
[16:12] <vrmuppalla> xorg, not wayland AFAIK
[16:13] <EvilRoey> ok
[16:13] <EvilRoey> thanks!!
[16:24] <freakyy> EvilRoey: it has Wayland default, but if u have some properity driver installed like nvidia, it will automatically stick to xorg - it did that for me ;D
[16:26] <EvilRoey> freakyy: SEEE that's what I was wondering
[16:26] <EvilRoey> so thanks :)
[16:26] <EvilRoey> because I also have an NVidia card
[16:26] <freakyy> EvilRoey: yea np ;D
[16:27] <freakyy> EvilRoey: wait im talkin about ubuntu
[16:27] <freakyy> i dont know how it is with kubuntu (plasma)
[16:27] <freakyy> wait lemme check if i have any options
[16:30] <freakyy> strangely it has Ubuntu (Wayland) Ubuntu (Xorg) and Plasma but no Plasma (wayland) or Plasma (Xorg) ...
[16:30] <freakyy> its a good question EvilRoey
[16:30] <freakyy> can anyone help us here?
[16:30] <freakyy> :D
[16:32] <freakyy> ok vrmuppalla says kubuntu uses xorg ... that might be the reason why theres only 1 menu entry ... and its not using wayland at all ;D
[16:37] <EvilRoey> ok
[16:37] <EvilRoey> well then! problem solved
[16:37] <EvilRoey> vrmuppalla, freakyy: thanks for your assistance!
[16:37] <freakyy> np EvilRoey
[16:38] <freakyy> but it should work ... the upgrade even with nvidia drivers
[16:38] <EvilRoey> ok
[16:38] <EvilRoey> you mean, in Waylnd?
[16:38] <freakyy> else u dont have nvidia drivers running
[16:38] <freakyy> no, in wayland nvidia drivers dont work
[16:38] <EvilRoey> ok
[16:38] <freakyy> i think
[16:38] <freakyy> (yet)
[16:38] <freakyy> im not sure about it, for me the perfect set up is working ;D
[16:38] <EvilRoey> :)
 Good day everyone!
 can anyone recommend me a good pfd editor for kubuntu?
 apart from libreoffice off course
[20:32] <valorie> okular
[20:32] <valorie> da best!
 @valorie, Hi valorie! i use okular for viewing but i have never been able to edit with it, i want to delete some text in a pdf specifically
[20:35] <valorie> the underlying permissions have to be there to allow that
[20:35] <valorie> but I suppose there are ways to crack in *some* of them
[20:36] <valorie> there is #okular for more in-depth info
 @valorie, will ask there, thank you
[20:37] <valorie> best of luck!
 @DGUERRERO, https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/
 not open source, but free version always worked ok for me
 okular can only annotate, not edit as far as I know
 @acheronuk, I'll check it out, thank you
 ram
[20:55] <vrmuppalla> masterpdf https://code-industry.net/masterpdfeditor/  has free and paid ($50) versions.
[20:58] <viewer|57484> hello all.  really digging kubuntu but am having a hard time adjust to the theme engine.  please no flaming but how can i make it more user friendly and dare i say a little more like windows?
[20:58] <viewer|57484> or at least change the taskbar at the bottom
[21:00] <valorie> dunno what windows is like but everything is configurable
[21:00] <valorie> and look at store.kde.org for some theming choices
 @viewer|57484, kubuntu by default is very much windows-alike in apperance, which feature are you looking for?
[21:14] <viewer|57484> DGUERRERO
[21:14] <viewer|57484> thanks for your response.  i just want themes really
[21:15] <viewer|57484> valorie pointed me to the store which i installed but i believe Kubuntu uses kde3 themes?
[21:16] <valorie> !
[21:16] <valorie> no
[21:16] <valorie> we're very up-to-date
[21:16] <sparker781> well i am new to Kubuntu
[21:16] <valorie> and what we release is stock plasma
[21:17] <valorie> no special theming
[21:17] <sparker781> you need to not be so harsh
[21:17] <valorie> !
[21:17] <sparker781> I have no idea what i am doing
[21:17] <valorie> I'm trying to give you information
[21:17] <valorie> welcome to Kubuntu, always lovely to have a new user
[21:17] <sparker781> thank you
 @viewer|57484, i think it's the opposite, in the kde store you will find quite a lot old themes, maybe not compatible anymore
[21:18] <sparker781> im trying its for my work
[21:18] <valorie> @DGUERRERO is right, you need to be choosy
[21:18] <sparker781> that might be an issue.  I clicked on find new themes in the desktop theme in settings and downloaded it but it's not showing up to choose it
[21:18] <valorie> I wish they would figure out a way to shunt the old stuff to the bottom of the lists or something
[21:19] <valorie> tag them by what versions they work with, or something
[21:21] <sparker781> why am i not seeing the theme i downloaded
[21:21] <sparker781> this is so frustrating
 how are you dowloading them? from the web page or directly from the theme settings?
[21:25] <sparker781> i figured it out.  sometimes i dont have patience
[21:25] <sparker781> LOL
[21:31] <sparker781> how can i space out the task bar to look like windows.  sorry but the options i have kind of suck.  LOL
 @sparker781, what do you mean by space? do yow want the icons-only appareance of win7?
[21:54] <sparker781> @IrcsomeBot
[21:54] <sparker781> yes similar to how windows does it if possible
[21:54] <sparker781> the rest im cool with as far as how it operates and what not.  just the look is just meh
[22:04] <valorie> right-click in an empty area and change to icons-only
[22:04] <valorie> you always have choices if you can find the place to make 'em
[22:06] <valorie> if you google for "how to make plasma 5 look like windows" I'm sure you will get lots of hits
[22:25] <marting> Hi. So, I installed kubuntu 17.10 today, and noticed that with netextender (VPN solution of SonicWall), I have a major memory leak (java). How do I debug this? Any suggestions?
[22:26] <marting> Are there any alternatives to netExtender for sonicwall vpn?
[22:27] <marting> it is eating about 8 MB per second
[22:31] <marting> Funny thing: On another machine, running Fedora, and the exact same version of java (openjdk 1.8.0._144, build 18.0_144_b01), and the exact same version of netextender (8.6.801), there is no memory leak. It is stable at ~130MB
[22:32] <clivejo> marting: probably best to ask in Ubuntu channel
[22:32] <marting> clivejo: ok, will go there


[00:26] <Azelphur> Can anyone figure out what's wrong with the SSL on https://gitlab.home.azelphur.com/ ? I'm using CloudFlare and LetsEncrypt
[00:31] <diddledan> Azelphur: try without cloudflare
[00:31] <Azelphur> diddledan: it works without cloudflare, should have mentioned
[00:32] <diddledan> do requests show in your logs?
[00:32] <Azelphur> no
[00:32] <diddledan> hmm
[00:34] <Azelphur> diddledan: actually, they do show up, sorry seems like f5 in the browser doesn't trigger a view but re-opening the tab does
[00:35] <Azelphur> which is weird, so seems like cloudflare is passing it to my site, but then being unhappy with my cert for some reason
[00:35] <diddledan> can you share your config?
[00:36] <Azelphur> my nginx config?
[00:36] <diddledan> yup, if that's doing the ssl
[00:37] <Azelphur> diddledan: http://pastebin.com/D8Mq1juM
[00:38] <diddledan> was that a paste fail or have you really got the same config 8 times?
[00:38] <diddledan> oh sorry I see the names are different
[00:38] <diddledan> ignore that
[00:40] <diddledan> cloudflare works with owncloud
[00:40] <Azelphur> diddledan: indeed it does
[00:40] <diddledan> owncloud.azelphur I mean
[00:41] <diddledan> I think it might be cloudflare - have you toggled the orange cloud off, waited a minute or so and then back on again?
[00:41] <diddledan> just thinking that might reset things
[00:42] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, I've turned it off and on a couple times before while trying to debug this
[00:42] <diddledan> your emby server works too, which suggests that cloudflare is fine with multiple.level.domain.names
[00:43] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:43] <diddledan> oh that's not going via cloudflare
[00:43] <Azelphur> ah, yea it's not, that streams video so no cloudflare there
[00:46] <diddledan> might be worth trying a hostname one-level instead of two.levels
[00:46] <diddledan> leave the two.level and check it tomorrow (sometimes cloudflare takes a while to update it's ssl certs for new hostnames IIRC)
[00:49] <Azelphur> yea, maybe leaving it till tomorrow will make it come to life
[00:50] <diddledan> although IMO if cloudflare hasn't set-up a certificate for a particular domain yet it should bypass it's own servers and point directly to yours
[00:50] <diddledan> rather that than just failing
[00:50] <diddledan> yeah, this is how I feel: https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/695408895011885061
[06:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:13] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:22] <mapps> hi all
[06:43] <MooDoo> :)
[06:57] <MooDoo> oooo my phone contract runs out in July, hmmm ubuntu phone next?
[06:58]  * zmoylan-pi uses jedi mind trick... ::waves hand:: you want a good solid dumbphone...
[07:01] <knightwise> hey peeps
[07:02] <MooDoo> zmoylan-pi: to be honest, you're right, i only need one that'll make phone calls and text lol
[07:03] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> and you get to win phone conkers every time :-P
[07:03] <MooDoo> lol
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> and no longer need to know were the nearest usb port charger is
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> or carry cable for charging
[07:05] <PokeAcer> I'd prefer an Android over an Ubuntu phone
[07:06] <MooDoo> well it's either ubuntu or a nexus :D
[07:07] <PokeAcer> I got the stickers from Peter today
[07:07]  * zmoylan-pi knocks MooDoo out with sharp tap from nokia and super glues a dumbphone in their hand...
[07:07] <PokeAcer> Now my laptop has an ubuntu key, and ubuntu stickers
[07:08] <PokeAcer> Windows desktop however
[07:08] <PokeAcer> Because I use my laptop for when not at home
[07:59] <DJones> Morning
[08:02] <DJones> Sheesh, that'd be a powerful laptiop/hoverboard/electric hob http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/05/eurcom_sky_x9w/
[08:05] <DJones> Maxing out the spec to top of the range everything without an o/s/case etc, comes to over £6K
[08:20] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah just watched a video on that, RAID 10 SSD :)
[08:22] <DJones> The amount of heat that must generate would make certain you wouldn't set it on your lap
[08:27] <MooDoo> it is marketed as a workstation not a laptop
[08:29] <DJones> Thats true, although still in a laptop case, weighing 10lbs would certainly make you want to use it on a desk
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> i make a lapdesk by using 2 sheets of plywood same size as laptop.  joined by shoelaces they hinge around laptop in bag to protect it and provide a nice comfy platform for laptop to fit on lap
[08:31] <DJones> I've still got my old Dell Inspiron 8100, that wasn't comfortable to have on my lap and that was 8lbs in weight
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> also works when using laptop on soft furnishings like bed not to have it rest on cloth blocking airvents
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> also with netbooks that aren't wide enough to work on lap the placement on lapdesk means it fits more comfortably
[08:33] <knightwise> Not a bad idea
[08:34] <knightwise> could use it for my Surface pro 4
[08:34] <DJones> My wife could do with something like that, she always complains that her laptop shuts down, I keep telling her not to block the vents with a pillow or quilt and it won't overheat
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> and plywood is less slippy on lap than smooth bottom of laptop so less likely to slip off and break
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> i think i have pics somewhere... ::goes to check::
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> pics found from 2009 when i made first one, uploading...
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> lapdesk from plywood that folds and protects laptop in transit http://imgur.com/a/lMA4T
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: looks pretty cool. Love the laces
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> i drilled far too many holes on first one.  works well.  the weight of netbook in middle makes it cantilever on lap nicely.  can also use extra space for mini mouse if required
[09:12] <knightwise> That is cool + i love the extra protection it gives you
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> i hate trackpads :-)
[09:12] <knightwise> Love using a mouse too
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> simple ideas are usually best and the plywood cost me <€5
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> the one i currently use fits inside netbook softpouch with netbook
[09:15] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka 'ow am ya on this happy happy friday
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> just i have lost 1 laptop on dublin bus when on stairs and emergency braking threw me down stairs and i clipped my backpack with handrail on corner of laptop
[09:24] <knightwise> yep , extra protection never hurts
[09:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: crackin mate, just waiting for my friday bacon sarnie, then off home at 11:45 :D
[09:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: I don't know these part timers
[09:28] <knightwise> Gonna see if I can throw Crouton on my old chromebook and dual boot it into Ubuntu with LXDE
[09:28] <knightwise> that way i'll always have a cheap linux laptop lying around in the car.
[09:28] <knightwise> without being overly worried of it getting stolen or something
[09:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: When I were a lad, You got up 3 hours before you went to bed, You licked the broken glass from the street, Worked down t'mine for 16 hours, then came home to a belt lashin' from your dad, before you started your second job
[09:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: luxury :)
[09:31] <knightwise> For now I just SSH into my pi at home from my Surface pro 4 at work.
[09:32] <knightwise> gives me a geeky sandbox in a dready corporate environment :)
[09:33] <MooDoo> knightwise: ooo I was thinking of a pi for ssh'ing into and having irssi/screen running on it, might be a bit cheaper power wise than the desktop unit I have running currently
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Doodle Day! 😃
[09:35] <knightwise> MooDoo: that is what I do
[09:35] <knightwise> my pi runs irssi, youtube-dl, rtv and all of my "online presence" apps.
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> there's always the new googleless chromebook os... http://www.nexedi.com/blog/NXD-Document.Blog.Nayu.Os.Introduction/
[09:36] <knightwise> its the only machine in the house that is not powered down between 11pm and 6 am
[09:36] <MooDoo> knightwise: pi2?
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> my pi runs 24x7 on phone charger in kitchen... great little machine...
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> wow apple seem to be trying to kill the 3rd party repair market... http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/feb/05/error-53-apple-iphone-software-update-handset-worthless-third-party-repair
[09:52] <knightwise> MooDoo: yep
[09:52] <knightwise> pretty snappy
[09:54] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: mine too :) plugged into the back of my ISP's router
[09:54] <knightwise> via a usb connector there :)
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: gatcha covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjUfu9-W-w
[11:20] <ujjain> can a landlord alraedy have viewings in my apartment 7 weeks in advance?
[11:31] <Laney> I don't think they can require them at any time really
[11:31] <Laney> unless your agreement says something about it
[12:13] <davmor2> ujjain: yes, if you have given notice they will want new tenants in the day after you leave basically so they will most likely show it while you are still there as it saves them staging it as long as you aren't too messy :)
[12:16] <Laney> doesn't really matter what they want
[12:17] <Laney> it's about what they have the right to, which is probably not to have viewings unless you agreed different in the contract
[13:36] <ujjain> haha it's very messy
[13:36] <ujjain> i dont have anything about viewings in my contract
[13:36] <ujjain> but i'm sure there is something in the law
[13:53] <Laney> don't think so
[13:53] <Laney> let me know if you find it
[13:56] <arsenip> arent landlords allowed access ot the property? but usually they must provide notice
[13:57] <foobarry> yes
[13:58] <Laney> not for any reason
[13:59] <foobarry> caught short and need a dump
[13:59] <foobarry> and to read the meter
[13:59] <foobarry>  /replace the fridge
[14:00] <Laney> 24 hours notice
[14:00] <Laney> even then can be refused
[14:03] <foobarry> i wonder if assange has long hair and big beard by now
[14:03] <foobarry> or tunnelled out
[14:05] <awilkins> I wonder what amenities Equador provide for him
[14:05] <awilkins> I'd assume that the Embassy has a pretty good chef
[14:05] <foobarry> has it cost the UK anything?
[14:05] <foobarry> did they put coppers outside?
[14:05] <foobarry> he probably saw just as much daylight as when a basement dweller
[14:05] <awilkins> The UK spent, what, £13M on the police operations?
[14:05] <foobarry> thats what papers say
[14:05] <foobarry> but really?
[14:06] <awilkins> Multiple coppers with overtime?
[14:06] <awilkins> Probably paid some lawyers some money too
[14:06] <awilkins> I'd imagine those aren't insane numbers
[14:47] <diddledan> https://threatpost.com/google-safe-browsing-extends-to-deceptive-embedded-content/116135/
[14:48] <awilkins> I like that
[14:48] <awilkins> There will be people that go "bah! you content fascist pigs, warning people about visiting torrent sites!"
[14:48] <awilkins> Because that's where I see those ads the most
[14:49] <awilkins> Although also on Sourceforge and the like
[14:49] <awilkins> Yet more confirmation that SF are scum now is that they allow ads like that to run on their site
[14:52] <foobarry> sf got sold
[14:56] <bashrc_> I don't think SourceForge will be able to recover whatever reputation they had
[14:56] <diddledan> it's annoying that some projects still insist on being hosted there
[14:57] <diddledan> e.g. filezilla
[14:57] <diddledan> (not that I use filezilla, but it's a popular project nontheless)
[14:59] <foobarry> better than google code
[19:27] <ali1234> oh look, firefox is using 11TB of memory again
[19:27] <diddledan> o_O
[19:27] <diddledan> that's.. a lot
[19:27] <diddledan> I haven't even got that much fixed storage
[19:28] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/elS4VXX.png
[19:29] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/EFJ9f94.png
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> time to strap on the sincalir ram pack...
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> and hope there's no wobble...
[19:30] <diddledan> that looks fairly normal to me
[19:30] <diddledan> (not the 11TB, donno where that is coming from, but the actual usage)
[19:31] <ali1234> sadly it looks fairly normal to me too
[21:31]  * foobarry looks around
[21:33]  * m0nkey_ hides
[21:33]  * foobarry waves
[21:41] <daftykins> :D
[21:41] <daftykins> hey folks, hope you're all well
[22:15] <Azelphur> <blatant advertising> me and my friends club together and rent a dedi with 7x1.5TB HDDs and use it as offsite backup space, if anyone is interested we have 1TB available for €5.47/mo (Would be a VPS with 1GB RAM), could also potentially get more space if someone wants more
[22:35] <Seeker`> my, wife uses, too many commas, in the wrong, places and writes, very long sentences, and it's really hard to get her, to not write them, and I've told her to actually try reading, what she writes out loud, so she will see how stupid it is, but everything I proof read for her, mainly job applications, still have, the same thing
[22:36] <daftykins> :D
[22:36] <daftykins> that was painful ;)
[22:36] <Seeker`> thought it might be :P
[22:36] <Seeker`> It's hard to ignore excess commas
[22:37] <daftykins> i hope the "their/they're/there" are correct
[22:37] <daftykins> that one always trips something in my head ;)
[22:38] <daftykins> i can only suggest avoiding trying to mark teenagers writing to avoid greater crimes :)
[23:29] <Azelphur> Does anyone here use borgbackup? I've been trying to migrate from Attic but it has caused me nothing but problems
[23:29] <daftykins> sounds like they ought to step up their assimilation
[23:30] <Azelphur> Indeed :P


[03:25] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[06:47] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: thank you for the wishlist convert!
[10:19] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: check this tool out, was seen in main few weeks ago; https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
[12:46] <mgedmin> ooh, interesting
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> bit more up to date then all other multi Os creator tools
[20:37] <Bashing-om> UWN653 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue653 :D