[11:46] <miken> Where is the "juju environment key" created? I'm trying to help someone who can't 'juju ssh' into any units (Permission denied (public key)), and it turns out they don't have a juju environment key either locally in their ~/.ssh or listed in the units authorized_keys?
[11:48] <miken> Ah - it uses your existing key (just reading https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started - been a while since I've setup a new dev machine)
[12:34] <jose> marcoceppi: ping
[12:48] <jamespage> marcoceppi, hey - can we add vivid and wily series to the charms distro? I'd like to publish some charms under non-trusty namespaces for some bundles we're putting together for lxd
[12:51] <rick_h_> jamespage: urulama can look if you need that in the store ^
[12:51] <jamespage> rick_h_, ta
[12:51] <jamespage> rick_h_, specifically wily and vivid :-)
[12:54] <urulama> jamespage: vivid is ok, we'll need to update CS for wily
[12:58] <pitti> hello
[12:58] <pitti> I ran "juju destroy-service debci-web-swift", but it stays around as "life: dying", so that I can't re-deploy it
[12:59] <pitti> (juju 1.22.6 on trusty)
[12:59] <pitti> what can I do to really kill this service?
[13:01] <pitti> (the underlying machine is already gone)
[13:02] <lazypower> pitti, is there a relationship trapped in error on a remote unit?
[13:02] <lazypower> that would cause the principal service to remain in the topology as life:dying
[13:02] <pitti> lazypower:
[13:02] <pitti>     relations:
[13:02] <pitti>       juju-info:
[13:02] <pitti>       - ksplice
[13:02] <pitti>       - landscape-client
[13:02] <pitti> lazypower: I tried to "remove-relation" both after destroy-service, but that didn't help
[13:02] <pitti> i. e. "juju remove-relation debci-web-swift landscape-client" (and same for ksplice)
[13:03] <lazypower> hmm. I've run into some edge cases where that happens when i destroy the machine out from under the service, and relations were still present
[13:03] <lazypower> but that was on 1.22.x i haven't seen that behavior in 1.24+
[13:03] <pitti> http://askubuntu.com/questions/365724/juju-remove-units-stuck-in-dying-state-so-i-can-start-over  has no answer
[13:03] <pitti> lazypower: I am on 1.22
[13:03] <lazypower> ah
[13:03] <lazypower> welp
[13:03] <lazypower> The only way i was able to reconcile was by tearing the env down and standing it back up :|
[13:04] <pitti> oh! https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/charms-destroy#state-of-
[13:04] <pitti> lazypower: yeah, I don't really want to do that if I can avoid it
[13:04] <lazypower> yeah, i hope that works
[13:04] <lazypower> you'll need to resolve every unit it was related to to make sure you grab the hook in error
[13:04] <pitti> $ juju resolved debci-web-swift/0
[13:04] <pitti> ERROR unit "debci-web-swift/0" not found
[13:04] <pitti> hm, that doesn't work
[13:05] <pitti> (nor without /0)
[13:05] <lazypower> try ksplice and landscape-client
[13:05] <pitti> $ juju resolved ksplice
[13:05] <pitti> error: invalid unit name "ksplice"
[13:05] <pitti> $ juju resolved ksplice/0
[13:05] <pitti> ERROR unit "ksplice/0" is not in an error state
[13:07] <pitti> hm, so why does it already remove the machine and unit when it complains afterwards that it still haves relations?
[13:07] <pitti> "has" (urgh)
[13:07] <lazypower> when you pass a --force, its going to assume you know what you're doing and force it.
[13:08] <lazypower> there's an inconsistency in the env now w/ those relations and no machine/service under it, and i believe this is due to some oddity of how it was done. I in 1.24+ this has been resolved
[13:08] <pitti> (I didn't pass --force)
[13:08] <pitti> lazypower: ah, good to know it's resolved in later versions
[13:09] <pitti> I "resolved" every other instance of ksplice and landscape-client now, and yay, it's gone
[13:09] <lazypower> thats good news :)
[13:09] <lazypower> one of those relations were in error state, keeping the service definition around in the environment
[13:10] <pitti> lazypower: indeed the ksplice subordinate on a completely different unit was in "agent-state-info: 'hook failed: "config-changed"'
[13:11] <pitti> lazypower: thank you!
[13:12] <lazypower> any time :)
[13:17] <marcoceppi> jamespage: ack, will updat shortly
[13:17] <jamespage> marcoceppi, ta
[13:19] <marcoceppi> jamespage: vivid and wily added
[13:19] <jamespage> marcoceppi, awesome-o!
[13:20] <jamespage> urulama, how long with the charm-store bits take for wily?
[13:20] <jamespage> urulama, (no sudden rush but would like to get something up this week)
[13:24] <urulama> jamespage: we're in the middle of deployment of all jujucharms.com services ... but that update should be small enough. i'll try to squeeze it in this week
[13:24] <jamespage> urulama, ta
[13:24] <urulama> jamespage: but before that, you're free to use vivid charms
[13:24] <jamespage> urulama, ack - thanks
[13:30] <urulama> jamespage: fyi, the output of new bundle deployment (openstack-base) with bundles supported in core: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12513350/
[13:31] <jamespage> urulama, all good then?
[13:32] <urulama> jamespage: yes, just showing how new juju deploy "bundle" will look like
[13:32] <jamespage> \o/
[13:34] <marcoceppi> urulama: that output looks SO AMAZING
[13:35] <marcoceppi> any idea when that will be available?
[13:35] <urulama> 1.26
[13:35] <urulama> marcoceppi: ^
[13:35] <lazypower> whoa, that *does* look nice
[13:35] <urulama> frankban: ^
[13:36] <lazypower> urulama, looking at this, its also idempotent? so i can deploy 2 bundles with the same service, and it just reconciles between whats deployed + whats declared?
[13:36] <frankban> cool
[13:36] <urulama> lazypower: yes
[13:36] <lazypower> hot diggity dog thats awesome
[13:36] <frankban> lazypower: it does its best
[13:36] <urulama> lazypower: look at the second call ... "reusing ..."
[13:36] <urulama> lazypower: from line 132
[13:36]  * lazypower dances a happy dance
[13:36] <lazypower> i see it
[13:37] <ddellav> thats very very nice. I can't wait to use that
[17:49] <mbruzek> cory_fu: If I wanted to build an interface for the reactive framework, where would I start?
[17:52] <cory_fu> mbruzek: The docs (http://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/#relation-stubs) are pretty complete, but you likely want to start from one of the examples on http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[17:53] <cory_fu> mbruzek: The pgsql is the most complete example, I think
[17:54] <cory_fu> mbruzek: Though the provides.py in mysql might be slightly easier to follow
[17:56] <mbruzek> cory_fu: These are all new to me and hard to follow, @not_unless ?
[17:56] <cory_fu> From the docs: "Assert that the decorated function can only be called if the desired_states are active."
[17:57] <cory_fu> That one is actually entirely optional and is more intended to make the code easier to read and inspect.
[17:57] <cory_fu> mbruzek: http://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/charms.reactive.decorators.html will of course be very helpful
[17:58] <mbruzek> how is not_unless different than when?
[17:58] <cory_fu> And then the other docs page you'll care about for creating a relation stub is http://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/charms.reactive.relations.html
[17:59] <cory_fu> mbruzek: not_unless does not trigger the handler.  It is nothing more than an assertion
[17:59] <cory_fu> http://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/charms.reactive.decorators.html#charms.reactive.decorators.not_unless
[17:59] <cory_fu> Again, for getting started, you can probably just ignore not_unless
[18:00] <mbruzek> Ok
[18:01] <cory_fu> mbruzek: I'm happy to answer questions and help you get started, but I am still sick and sort-of swapping today, so I might be a bit slow at times to reply
[18:02] <mbruzek> cory_fu: I didn't know you were out today, I saw you responding in other channels so I figured you were working
[18:02] <cory_fu> But feel free to ping me if you have questions
[18:02] <mbruzek> Let me RTFM and get back with questions
[18:02] <cory_fu> Yeah, like I said, "sort-of swapping."  :p
[18:05] <lazypower> cory_fu, looks like it got the majority of us
[18:06] <cory_fu> Damn
[18:07] <lazypower> yeah, half of eco is down with this gnarly bug
[18:07] <lazypower> *over half
[20:00] <g3naro> quit
[20:00] <g3naro> exit
[22:01] <Slugs_> i was logged into a juju machine runnning one of the ceph services and it issued the shutdown command
[22:01] <Slugs_> is there a way to start it back up?
[23:31] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: shutdown on the machinme?
[23:32] <apuimedo> lazypower: how was the Charm summit?
[23:34] <Slugs_> marcoceppi: yes
[23:34] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: is it a cloud instance?
[23:34] <Slugs_> openstack private cloud single install
[23:35] <Slugs_> sorry for the lack of informaiion
[23:35] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: I don't understand, so what was the machine? A KVM? An openstack instance? a machine in MAAS?
[23:35] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: basically, you just need to "power" that machine back on
[23:35] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: juju should resume from there
[23:36] <Slugs_> ah ok, so juju has no control to power it on
[23:36] <Slugs_> i need to do that from somewhere else
[23:37] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: yes, juju is just a series of agents running in a machine, it does things like starting and stopping instances but only as a part of asking the substrate (aws, openstack, maas, etc) for a machine and stopping machines as a part of removing it
[23:38] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: having a juju machine on/off command isn't a terrible idea, we've just not had anyone ask for it yet ;)
[23:38] <Slugs_> i see to ask out of the box questions, however this is from lack of knowledge
[23:39] <Slugs_> s/see/seem
[23:41] <marcoceppi> Slugs_: yeah, so juju talks to providers (aws, maas, etc) to get machines, then it does everything it needs to on top of them but doesn't really interact with the providers much out side of "gimme machine" and "get rid of machine"
[23:41] <Slugs_> yes this makes sense


[07:37] <zequence> cub: screen resolution depends on if you installed the guest utils or not
[07:37] <zequence> cub: usually, resizing the window will change the resolution automatically, if you have guest utilities
[07:37] <cub> I did. Before that it was only 1024x768
[07:38] <cub> according to the manual you can lock the screen size to a specific size, but when I do it locks to another size.
[07:38] <cub> I made a thread on ubuntuforums
[07:38] <zequence> haven't messed with that myself
[10:28] <zequence> cub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhFcErztgeA&feature=youtu.be
[10:28] <zequence> a bit advanced though
[10:29] <cub> 18 minutes..:D
[10:29] <zequence> made me realize we should have more than one page for the intro
[10:29] <zequence> one for the brand, and another for the tutorial name
[10:30] <cub> let me grab my lunch and watch it.
[10:34] <zequence> There's no point in us spending too much time with this right now
[10:34] <zequence> but, for 14.04, it might be nice to do something a bit nicer
[10:34] <zequence> like animated branding, and so forth
[10:34] <zequence> we need a new standard for our branding first
[10:35] <zequence> madeinkobaia is working on something for this right now, so he should have something ready soon
[10:36] <cub> ok
[10:42] <cub> yeah, would be cool. Seems like a bit of work to get there though.
[12:10] <cub> after watching a couple of gnome3design videos I'm even more reluctant to background music in tutorials.
[13:45] <zequence> contract signed. I'm tutoring Linux for two weeks (26,27)
[13:45] <cub> sweet
[13:45] <cub> where?
[13:45] <zequence> coincidentally, I'm currently reading for the Linux+ certificate, so I might actually know what I'm talking about
[13:46] <zequence> It's an unemployment thing
[13:46] <cub> aha
[13:46] <zequence> it-lyftet
[13:46] <zequence> I do one week full time x two places
[13:47] <cub> who is the audience? Beginners?
[13:47] <zequence> it's a little mixed
[13:47] <zequence> not many who have formal education
[13:47] <zequence> not in IT anyhow
[13:48] <zequence> a lot of interest though, so that's good
[13:48] <zequence> they had to increase with two places in the course room
[13:48] <zequence> at site nr.1
[13:48] <cub> might look into the links for Inkscape tutorials later. I need to learn how to do icons. I want to create a Solarized theme for xfce with flat icons
[13:49] <cub> @it-lyftet.se that is
[13:49] <zequence> http://itlyftet.se/
[13:50] <zequence> I have a subdomain, which is rubbish right now, but will be used for the course http://linux.itlyftet.se/
[13:51] <zequence> I'd love to learn how to do that stuff too
[13:52] <zequence> I've done a few tutorials for different graphics applications
[13:52] <zequence> no time..
[13:52] <zequence> I think in july I might have more time for Ubuntu Studio. I'm not really doing much concretely right now myself
[13:54] <cub> time is always hard.
[13:55] <zequence> the good thing about having 5 days alone with a room full of people is that you get a long time to convince them why they should use Linux
[13:55] <cub> hehe
[13:56] <cub> is it mandatory or have they chosen to attend themselves?
[13:56] <zequence> it's voluntary
[13:56] <zequence> there are different courses there. usually they have one class a week
[13:57] <zequence> no one else will be working there when I'm there
[13:58] <cub> lazy bastards ;)
[13:58] <zequence> I'll be doing classes from 9.30-12.00, and then walking around helping people the rest of the time
[13:58] <zequence> they are required to do work in between classes of course
[13:59] <zequence> but, sure. they aren't getting any diplomas or certificates, so there's really not a huge motivator for working hard
[14:00] <cub> I'm not so sure. they have chosen themselves to be there so learning is probably key
[14:01] <zequence> they are required to go there, even though they are able to choose where they go
[14:01] <cub> I went to folkhögskola where you don't get any grades or diploma, learnt more than in any other school since we were all very motivated just to learn the stuff we had chosen ourselves
[14:01] <zequence> if you've been unemployed for a certain amount of time, you have to do some sort of activity
[14:01] <cub> righ
[14:01] <cub> t
[14:02] <zequence> most people don't have that inner drive. they need a carrot
[14:03] <zequence> being lazy is actually a pretty good thing from certain aspects
[14:03] <cub> Bill Gates thought so
[14:03] <zequence> get as much done using the least amount of energy
[14:04] <cub> something along the line of "lazy programmers are great because they will always find the easiest way to do things"
[14:04] <cub> exactly
[14:05] <cub> time to go to dog school.
[14:07] <zequence> you dog you..
[20:52] <cub> Ok, seems I "solved" my trouble with recordmydesktop and Virtualbox. I had issues that the windows in the Vbox didn't show properly
[20:53] <cub> So instead doing the vbox full screen and capture from within the vbox, if I instead connect my external monitor and manually set the vbox to be 1280x720
[20:53] <cub> and the start recordmydesktop on the host and point it to record only the part of the screen where the vbox is. Voila. Seems to work.
[20:54] <cub> Could be that my issues before was only a temporary glitch but this seems to work so.


[16:58] <compengi> Hello.. we had ubot3 bot on #ubuntu-lb channel. but it dropped. is there any replacement for it?
[17:08] <jdavies> nalioth, jussi01 ^
[17:20] <stdin> compengi_: should be there now
[17:20] <compengi_> stdin, yeah. thank you a lot
[18:05]  * jdavies adds stdin to mental list of people for the bot


[05:23] <Hobbsee> debian #390544
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 390544 in libdvdread3 "libdvdread3: temp file vulnerability in install-css.sh" [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/390544
[05:23] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[10:35] <palski> Bugs/HowtoFix link is broken in HelpingWithBugs page
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hey all, can someone duplicate this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/71584
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71584 in amarok "on screen display lags text typing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:02] <pygi> Admiral_Chicago, it's a duplicate of what?
[12:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i mean can someone reproduce
[12:06] <pygi> Admiral_Chicago, then it needs confirming, not duplicating
[12:07] <pygi> Admiral_Chicago, and I dont see no one saying he/she has same problem
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i reported it today, i was wondering if any saw the same bug
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry i'm new to the bug thing, i've reported a few just not up on the terminology
[12:09] <pygi> Admiral_Chicago, don't worry ^_^
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i know imbrandon was going to look at it
[12:12] <pygi> oki, then he is ^_^
[12:14] <Admiral_Chicago> bed time
[12:14] <Admiral_Chicago> for real this time
[12:16] <pygi> ^_^
[05:39] <bddebian> Boo
[06:19] <init_0> I've found a bug on an application distributed with Ubuntu. Do I've to communicate it here or to the bugtracker of the developers of the application itself?
[06:24] <geser> init_0: file it at bugs.ubuntu.com
[07:48] <jonh_wendell> where are the bugs? Is Ubugtu dead?
[07:50] <Burgwork> jonh_wendell: it could be that nobody is filing bugs
[07:50] <jonh_wendell> serious?
[07:50] <Burgwork> not really
[07:50] <zul> lol
[07:50] <jonh_wendell> :)
[07:51] <zul> ubuntu is perfect it doesnt have any bugs
[07:52] <Burgwork> zul: and xen is so perfect it fixes bugs in other parts of Ubuntu, like the kernel?
[07:52] <zul> hell no :)
[09:35] <joe3k> anybody has an idea what could be the cause of bug 67863 (package, ...)?
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67863 in Ubuntu "Automounted optical drive contents do not show until reload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67863


[10:03] <timplaz> Why cam I install any distro (ubuntu, Arch,Kali...ect) and use any DE (XFCE,MATE,Budgie...ect) and be able to change resolution but when I try KDE I am stuck with 800x600 only?
[10:18] <Unit193> timplaz: Perhaps you should ask #kde or #kubuntu, not a channel for Xfce...?
[12:31] <Kumool> your machine probably can't handle the bloatness of KDE, and thus chooses to not increase its resolution, else the CPU sets itself on fire
[14:52] <thlive> anyone knows how i can (if possible) install good dark themes ( beside the stock ones ) in xubuntu ?
[15:01] <Spass[m]> thlive: which version of Xubuntu? there are some good themes in the official repos


[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3099 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
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[09:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3100 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
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[00:20] <stas> anyway i updated to 1.4, likely the last for today
[09:50] <AlanBell> upgraded to 1.4, but still can't submit comments
[09:50] <AlanBell> it is the client side validation failing


[01:54] <rick_h_> how's MUG?
[01:54] <rick_h_> guess it's almost done...too late
[03:44] <Blazeix> rick_h_: MUG was good. No internet connection though :(
[04:01] <snap-l> howdy.
[13:06] <brousch> this sucks for half of the people using a 5 year old computer https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/741930/comments/5
[13:10] <brousch> same bug for nvidia-173 legacy drivers
[13:14] <tjagoda> You could be like the current state of my intel
[13:14] <tjagoda> and just crash every 2 hours
[13:14] <tjagoda> would that be better?
[13:14] <tjagoda> =P
[13:15] <brousch> at least you get to use unity for 2 hours at a stretch ...
[13:16] <tjagoda> I like how we break, fix, break, break, fix in our release cycles
[13:17] <tjagoda> My formerly rock-solid Ubuntu is now unreliabel and flakey at best =(
[13:17] <tjagoda> reliable*
[13:17] <brousch> beta
[13:17] <tjagoda> This close to launch I am not inclined to accept that as excuse
[13:17] <brousch> if you want solid, don't upgrade until 3 months after release
[13:18] <tjagoda> There is an inherent problem in that statement
[13:18] <tjagoda> in that it says its okay to release things lacking in quality
[13:18] <tjagoda> =P
[13:19] <brousch> everybody does it
[13:19] <brousch> microsoft started it
[13:19] <tjagoda> ....!!!!!
[13:19]  * tjagoda explodes
[13:19] <brousch> everyone knows you don't install MS until SP1 is out
[13:20] <brousch> if MS does it, that makes it OK for everyone else
[13:20] <tjagoda> This reasoning is flawed
[13:20] <tjagoda> If MS makes shit, it should not mean that everybody else should therefore make shit
[13:20] <tjagoda> it means they make shit and I don't want to use it
[13:20] <tjagoda> non-shit should be the goal!
[13:20] <tjagoda> =P
[13:21] <brousch> obviously that is impossible
[13:21] <tjagoda> 7.04 happened
[13:21] <brousch> you end up with red hat, who releases software that's 2 year out of date so it's stable
[13:22] <tjagoda> it is not impossible
[13:22] <tjagoda> 7.04 was the last ubuntu that delivered new features while still remaning solid for me =(
[13:34] <rick_h_> sometimes I just love being able to view the code to figure out how the heck to do something, or how to call methods, etc
[13:34] <rick_h_> but dammit, when the code makes no sense, it's worse than the lack of docs ugh
[13:35] <tjagoda> tomorrow is kernel and release freeze day
[13:36] <tjagoda> They then have 7 days until they build the release image
[13:36] <snap-l> tjagoda: Which means you'll have a more stable system soon if you file bugs. ;)
[13:36] <snap-l> otherwise quitcherbitchin'
[13:36] <tjagoda> I have been, thank you =(
[13:36] <snap-l> On the plus side, I have the Ubuntu One Music store again
[13:37] <tjagoda> Even a minor unity one where libreoffice close/min/max buttons do not appear when you launch from files versus launching from the launcher
[13:37] <snap-l> (under Rhythmbox. Did an uninstall of the old plugin, and an install of the new plugin)
[13:38] <snap-l> was version 0.1.8, now version 0.0.9
[13:38] <snap-l> Thank you, screwy numbering conventions.
[13:38] <tjagoda> Wait
[13:38] <snap-l> tjagoda: Are you sure the problem isn't with your video drivers?
[13:38] <snap-l> That's sounding an awful lot like video problems.
[13:39] <tjagoda> I am absolutely certain that my video drivers do not make only three buttons appear or disappear based on how I launch the program
[13:39] <tjagoda> It's inside libreoffice
[13:39] <tjagoda> happens nowhere else
[13:42] <tjagoda> Are there any changes in libreoffice apart from the name, btw?
[13:43] <tjagoda> I didn't notice much different, but I didn't look very hard
[13:45] <snap-l> tjagoda: You should notice more as more release  come forth
[13:45] <snap-l> mostly it's the ability to accept patches
[13:48] <tjagoda> Mostly just organizational changes then?
[13:55] <snap-l> tjagoda: Well, there's also a few patches that didn't get accepted into Open Office for one reason or another
[13:55] <snap-l> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/
[13:56] <snap-l> Stuff like "Import of Microsoft Works documents"
[13:57] <snap-l> Many Wordperfect import improvements*
[14:00] <tjagoda> WORD PRO IMPORT FILTER!
[14:00] <tjagoda> WWOOOOOHOOOO!
[14:00] <tjagoda> LOTUS BABY!
[14:00] <brousch> lotus 123?
[14:00] <tjagoda> We still use Lotus Approach in some DB's here
[14:00] <tjagoda> I have like 40 licenses of the Lotus Smart Suite
[14:00] <brousch> if it can open lotus 123 spreadsheets i will kiss somebody
[14:02] <tjagoda> They do not explicity mention it
[14:07] <brousch> damnit. our lotus is too old
[14:07] <snap-l> ugh
[14:07] <rick_h_> heh "dammit, we have lotus"
[14:07] <rick_h_> had to correct that for you :)
[14:09] <brousch> i'm way beyond that
[14:10] <brousch> lotus 123 R 4. comes on 4 floppies
[14:10] <brousch> damn thing still runs in win7
[14:11] <brousch> sorry, 1-2-3 Release 5 for Windows
[14:11] <brousch> copyright 1991, 1994
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> how does the Nook compare to the Kindle? Thoughts?
[14:13] <brousch> nook color can easily become a real android tablet
[14:14] <brousch> that's +++ in my book
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.woot.com/
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> is why I ask
[14:14] <brousch> ah
[14:14] <rick_h_> I say crap, but I know a couple of people that like their nooks
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> why's that
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> ?
[14:14] <rick_h_> I've not been able to check with them on if they've used a kindle
[14:15] <rick_h_> when I tried one in the store the software was horrible, bad usability, hung up on me, had to reset it
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> ah
[14:15] <rick_h_> the dual screen thing I found distracting
[14:15] <rick_h_> now, they've made some software updates over time
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> I'm still leaning towards waiting on ereaders anyway, for the moment
[14:15] <rick_h_> so maybe it's better
[14:15] <brousch> i have friends who like their nook
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> though, they're getting cheap enough for me to probably do it soon
[14:15] <rick_h_> but I find the kindle better hardware, battery life, and I already buy most of my bookis via amazon
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> how's the DRMness?
[14:16] <rick_h_> brousch: but any that can compare nook v kindle? That's what I'm looking for
[14:16] <rick_h_> of the nook? it's drm-y, but it does to epub I think so that's a win if you get your books from other sources
[14:16] <rick_h_> and kindle doesn't :(
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> of either, I suppose. I just like the idea of getting the books with as little DRM as possible, rather than "rent them until they take them back", etc
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> especially since ebooks are often not that much cheaper anyway, seems
[14:17] <snap-l> Any eBook reader is DRMy.
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> equally, though?
[14:18] <brousch> i think the drm depends more on where you buy it than on what you run it
[14:18] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[14:18] <brousch> where you buy the book
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> ah. noted'
[14:18] <brousch> or "acquire" the book
[14:18] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: If you want the DRM books, buy a device that handles wirless and shopping on the device
[14:19] <snap-l> The Kobo that I bought handles it that way, and I would be hard-pressed to notice the DRM
[14:19] <snap-l> That said, I have two books that I bought that way.
[14:19] <snap-l> If you use the PC client, it's a miserable experience.
[14:19] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: Nice... so Natty is shipping with a busticated pyopenssh?
[14:41] <snap-l> I love too that the folks that we're working with to solve the Java "Null Pointer Exception" issue are blaming my script for sending something malformed
[14:42] <snap-l> Which might be true, but it's also true of someone elses' Perl program
[14:42] <snap-l> Which leads me to believe that it might not just be our code that's faulty.
[14:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: wheeeee
[14:47] <snap-l> Yeah, isn't that the first step in debugging: blame the OS
[14:48] <brousch> i thought that was only if you're running windows
[14:48] <snap-l> (literally had a VB coder tell me that the OS was faulty because his code was crashing
[15:51] <wolfger> snap-l: http://www.teefury.com/
[15:51] <wolfger> also, any other old school gamers ^^
[15:52] <snap-l> heh
[16:39] <brousch> i am demoing natty next thursday at wmlug. should i use the tablet with broken nvidia drivers, the netbook with broken wifi drivers, or a virtual machine running on my mac?
[16:40] <snap-l> brousch: Tough call. :)
[16:41] <brousch> we'll see how the virtualbox vm works. if it fails unity i'll try to scrounge up a laptop with working drivers
[16:46] <greg-g> so sad
[16:47] <brousch> yeah, the worst part is i like it and am excitd about it
[16:49] <brousch> i might have a usb wifi dongle i could use on the netbook
[16:53] <wolfger> netbook with a wire?
[16:54] <brousch> i haven't presented at this location. there will probably be ethernet, but i can't assume it right now
[16:55] <brousch> crap. the last presenter had trouble with the projector in linux
[16:55] <brousch> sounds like i need to make a trip out there beforehand
[17:11] <rick_h_> ugh, 2.5hrs down the drain debugging stupid IE css bugs with absolute positioned crap
[17:35] <windows_> if anyone is looking for a job Urban Science has openings. beware... it's 99% Microsoft
[17:35] <windows_> https://careers-urbanscience.icims.com/jobs/intro
[17:39] <snap-l> I wonder if the Circus is hiring, because right now I want to run away and join it
[17:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: ruh roh
[17:43] <snap-l> Java and I have irreconcilable differences
[17:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: time to lawyer up...who's going to get the laptop in the split?
[18:00] <_stink_> i think that pre-nup you agreed to by clicking 'Next' is gonna be a tough o ne
[18:00] <rick_h_> oooh, good cap
[18:00] <rick_h_> /cap/call
[18:11] <ColonelPanic001> I wish I could access my Safari account (via the ACM) through the Kindle for Android app
[18:11]  * ColonelPanic001 daydreams
[18:13] <ColonelPanic001> I guess I could do it via a browser, but online online as far as I know, etc. meh, good enough
[18:14] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: yea, if I could get safari access on the kindle I'd subscribe today
[18:15] <rick_h_> but then there's little desire to buy the books, just subscribe
[18:15] <ColonelPanic001> yeah.
[18:16] <jrwren> what did java do to you?
[18:17] <rick_h_> "bend over user..."
[18:17] <jrwren> user?
[18:17] <rick_h_> tron
[18:17] <jrwren> the virus that is the win32 installer?
[18:17] <rick_h_> sorry, have a strange thing going today, part monday's, part just out of it
[18:24] <snap-l> heh
[18:31] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/13/hacker-gains-access-to-wordpress-com-servers/
[18:31] <rick_h_> so who's getting hacked next
[18:34] <brousch> bmark.us
[18:34] <rick_h_> woo!
[18:38] <jrwren> lol
[18:59] <rick_h_> lol, jrwren what did you get called a fanboi for?
[19:03] <brousch> i declare ubuntu 10.04 the ubuntu developer edition. it's so easy to get it up and running and it's just like your deploy environment
[19:03] <jrwren> i'm watching the mix keynote.
[19:04] <rick_h_> brousch: so LTS == dev edition?
[19:05] <brousch> sounds good to me
[19:05] <brousch> i really miss apt-get when i work in osx
[19:06] <rick_h_> #1 reason to not use osx
[19:14] <brousch> oh awesome, pydev is now included with aptana 3
[19:14] <brousch> no need to install it seperately
[19:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: you guys going to Ignite tomorrow?
[19:34] <snap-l> I have tickets, but I'm thinking I'll pass
[19:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: You planning on going?
[19:35] <rick_h_> yea, we've got babysitter and all
[19:35] <rick_h_> so we're a bit more dedicated lol
[19:35] <snap-l> Ah, very cool
[19:35] <snap-l> Apparently. ;)
[19:36] <rick_h_> well, when we leave the house it takes us a bit more planning/commitment
[19:36] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool man, I bet jcastro will be there. carrie and i are about 50/50 at this point
[19:36] <rick_h_> cool
[19:40] <jcastro> there's going to be like 1000 people there this time
[19:40] <jcastro> we should go!
[19:47] <snap-l> I sent JoDee some of the particulars. She might be interested in going
[19:52] <jcastro> greg-g: you guys should come, haven't seen carrie since ... the wedding? that can't be right.
[19:54] <greg-g> geez, uh, maybe!
[19:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: any word yet from put west?
[19:55] <rick_h_> /put/out
[19:55] <_stink_> ..
[19:55] <rick_h_> ummm...yea
[19:55] <rick_h_> so about the news
[19:56] <_stink_> :P
[19:56] <jjesse> what news?
[19:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: news or no news...just curious
[19:56] <greg-g> news, complicated news
[19:57] <greg-g> uber short version: a no
[19:57] <jjesse> good complicated or bad complicated? or none of our business news
[19:57] <rick_h_> hmmm, well don't like the uber short version
[19:57] <greg-g> less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position?
[19:57] <rick_h_> did you get a name and address? Road trip!
[19:57] <_stink_> well, that's good.
[19:57] <greg-g> haha
[19:57] <_stink_> greg-g: do you like the other position?
[19:57] <greg-g> yeah, the best rejection I could have gotten really
[19:57] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, that's cool. Other position isn't janitor right?
[19:57] <greg-g> meh
[19:57] <_stink_> heh
[19:57] <greg-g> haha
[19:58] <rick_h_> well I mean it wasn't an insulting no
[19:58] <greg-g> so, the other position is more dev than I want, but the guy who I was referred to is also hiring for a position that I do like, so when I chat with him, I'll work my magic
[19:58] <rick_h_> "we really like you, how about you come make fries for a bit and we'll see where we can fit you in"
[19:58] <greg-g> :)
[19:58] <_stink_> that's the sort of thing where in like 3 years they surprise you with an offer that's really nice.
[19:58] <jjesse> mmmmmm fries
[19:58] <_stink_> or, based on that, << 3 years.
[19:58] <rick_h_> more dev than you like? How is that possible?
[19:59]  * rick_h_ doesn't compute that bit
[19:59] <rick_h_> :P
[19:59] <greg-g> haha, yeah
[19:59] <rick_h_> well ok, so that's still kind of cool, but not as cool
[19:59] <greg-g> but apparently, my skill level is higher than most of the people who have already applied for that position (my skill level being low)
[19:59] <greg-g> yeah
[19:59] <greg-g> still working my way in :)
[19:59] <greg-g> maybe
[19:59] <rick_h_> in the door is 90% right
[19:59] <snap-l> greg-g: That's awesome!
[20:00] <snap-l> At least it isn't a "no, go away, and lose this number"
[20:00] <greg-g> no kidding
[20:00] <snap-l> I hate those
[20:00] <greg-g> made me feel sad and nice at the same time
[20:00] <rick_h_> that's kind of funny that you've got more dev exp than the CA applying people
[20:01] <rick_h_> I thought great devs were falling out of trees if you're in CA
[20:01] <rick_h_> :P
[20:01] <brousch> wait, what did i miss?
 less short version: no, but we still want you here, so we're looking for a place for you, how do you like this other position?
[20:01] <rick_h_> brousch: the coolest best thing ever...but too late
[20:01] <brousch> i disconnected for like 13 seconds
[20:01] <rick_h_> yea, too bad
[20:01] <snap-l> It's gotta be hanging out with rick_h_
[20:02] <rick_h_> so I missed that reference
[20:02] <rick_h_> probably better that way
[20:02] <rick_h_> man I have the monday's today
[20:02] <snap-l> "We just thought you were a poor schlub, but you know the true power of VI. I must speak with the master at once!"
[20:03] <snap-l> "Master, it is THE ONE that was prophesised"
[20:03] <snap-l> "He comes to us seeking employment as a mere community manager, but he knows too much"
[20:04] <snap-l> "his eyes sparkle as one who knows the true path to enlightenment"
[20:05] <snap-l> "I have waited many years for this. It is truly a sign. We had a place for THE ONE, but it was shuffled away during the last reo-org. We shall indeed make a place for 'the one'"
[20:05] <brousch> "his beard bristles with boundless knowledge, each hair represents a hard-won fiber of The Truth"
[20:17] <snap-l> Why is it that book publishers that should know better don't have eBooks?
[20:22] <brousch> they want to die
[20:23] <brousch> interesting. vbox 4.0.5 guest additions pre-release for natty http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[20:23] <brousch> maybe this will fix unity in vbox
[20:26] <jjesse> yay
[20:47] <brousch> omg it worked
[20:48] <brousch> i have unity in a vbox vm
[20:50] <jjesse> yay
[20:50] <brousch> greg-g: how about github? http://jobs.github.com/positions/3dbea538-6575-11e0-8264-7c5c81f937a2
[20:50] <brousch> jjesse: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or foreal
[20:50] <jjesse> foreal
[20:50] <jjesse> i've been fighting vbox and natty for a long time
[20:51] <jjesse> makes hard to document when you keep having display problems
[20:51] <brousch> for some reason i had to mount that iso manually
[20:52] <jjesse> i'm thinking about spending the weekend reloading my laptop, might just go to natty
[20:52] <brousch> then ran 'sudo /media/cdrom1/aurorun.sh'
[20:52] <jjesse> aurorun?  is that some harry potter command?
[20:53] <brousch> indeed, it is magic
[20:53] <jjesse> summon the aurors from azkaban
[21:03] <rick_h_> brousch: damn, you beat me to it
[21:03] <rick_h_> just saw that on twitter
[21:05] <brousch> saw what?
[21:05] <brousch> oh, the github thing?
[21:05] <rick_h_> yea, the github community mananger opening
[21:05] <brousch> ur tubez r 2 slow
[21:05] <rick_h_> doh!
[21:06] <rick_h_> what I get for driving
[21:06] <rick_h_> I should keep myself parked in front of my laptop
[21:06] <brousch> hootsuite brings the tubes to me everywhre
[21:07] <rick_h_> yes, but I don't think it does the irc to greg-g
[21:07] <rick_h_> that took me stopping at the coffeeshop
[21:09] <snap-l> That would be the one "blah blah is a githubber" message that would be woth the subscription. :)
[21:10] <rick_h_> lol
[21:10] <rick_h_> so guess we need to check out greg-g's ruby is these days
[21:10] <snap-l> and natty is flakey
[21:11] <rick_h_> we're just now stating that?
[21:11] <snap-l> But that's while running compiz on the host machine
[21:11] <snap-l> I meant in a VM
[21:12] <rick_h_> ah
[21:12] <snap-l> Bah, and gnome-settings-daemon kees crashing
[21:15] <brousch> it's stable so far, but my host is my mbp
[21:17] <brousch> shadow under the top panel is acting funny
[21:18] <snap-l> Wordpress.com had a major security brea, btw
[21:19] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, pasted that earlier. Concensus is that bmark.us will be next high priority target
[21:19] <snap-l> ;)
[21:20] <rick_h_> bah, I shold have brought hedaphones
[21:20] <snap-l> caribou noisy?
[21:21] <rick_h_> yea, and getting busier
[21:21] <rick_h_> this is the one on 16mi though
[21:21] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[21:21] <snap-l> If you want to drop down, I can loan you some headphones
[21:21] <snap-l> though that'll likely defeat the purpose
[21:22] <rick_h_> heh, naw all good.
[21:22] <rick_h_> just whining as I'm apt to do
[21:23] <rick_h_> heh, let's see if I can get kicked off the network here by trying to readable my whole install now
[21:43] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/gp66n/nokia_laying_off_up_to_6000_staff_and_all_the/
[21:43] <snap-l> Ouch
[21:47] <snap-l> http://www.qconbeijing.com/download/Gavin%20keynote.pdf
[21:47] <snap-l> Apparently the new hotness is to put stuff on the JVM other than Java
[21:48] <rick_h_> man, always suprises me how many people have their ringtone the thme song from american beauty
[21:49] <ColonelPanic001> I don't think I've heard that
[21:52] <snap-l> I don't remember the theme
[21:53] <greg-g> brousch: huh, do you know when that was posted?
[21:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: just saw it shared on twitter today
[21:53] <rick_h_> and that was from the github twitter account
[21:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: cool
[21:55] <greg-g> tbh, this is what I'm hoping to weasel my way into: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Fellowship_Program
[21:56] <rick_h_> nice!
[22:12] <snap-l> Gah, afternoon confernce calls are the worst
[22:12] <ColonelPanic001> a car crash would be worse.
[22:13] <snap-l> I meant of the genus conferencus callus
[22:13] <ColonelPanic001> a conference call to discuss it later would be worse.
[22:13] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[22:13]  * ColonelPanic001 ducks
[22:13]  * waldo323_ most likely will miss CHC tonight due to name on plane flight needs to be fixed problem :(
[22:13] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: This WAS a conference call to continue a conference call on MOnday
[22:14] <waldo323_> ick
[22:14] <ColonelPanic001> lolz, that's pretty annoying, you're right there
[22:14] <snap-l> waldo323_: Ugh
[22:14] <jcastro> OMG
[22:14] <jcastro> $2 oberons at ignite tomorrow
[22:15] <snap-l> I feel sluggish today.
[22:15] <rick_h_> snap-l: +1
[22:16] <snap-l> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/e791/?cpg=157H&image


[00:27] <pangolin> pleia2: zkriesse had his cloak changed a few minutes ago
[00:29] <pleia2> there is still the question of ubuntu membership if he's going to behave poorly
[00:29] <pangolin> indeed
[00:41] <elky> pangolin, for added fun, he's also a lubuntu op, which means he's also being watched for suitability for being allowed to remain an op for there when the lubuntu channels become part of the core namespace. At this rate, I votes no.
[00:42] <LjL> assume his trolling has actually been ascertained?
[00:43] <elky> AFAIK this isn't the first time he's indicated unsuitability.
[00:43] <LjL> pleia2: even without an ubuntu cloak? i mean, you don't know i behave on irc.ljl.net's #trolls, why is it important how someone behaves when they're not representing Ubuntu?
[00:44] <pleia2> LjL: we had a whole session about this at UDS, the CC reviews cases like this one at a time based on how much they're representing Ubuntu in a community they're being disruptive in
[00:45] <pleia2> in this case a lubuntu op and ubuntu member causing problems in another official linux channel on freenode reflects poorly upon ubuntu, regardless of whether he's using a cloak or not
[00:46] <pleia2> I don't have details though, I have just asked him for his side of the story so far
[00:46] <pleia2> (it could still just be a misunderstanding, so I asked if he could explain what's going on)
[00:51] <LjL> that policy seems to me a bit like appointing oneself the police in another country than yours, but ok...
[00:52] <pleia2> you could argue the same *with* an ubuntu cloak too, I'm not saying the CC would take action but depending on the situation it may be worth a review
[00:53] <LjL> i think it's different with an ubuntu cloak, because there's a label that says "i'm affiliated with Ubuntu"
[00:53] <Flannel> LjL: I will (and have) ban people from -offtopic because they have trolled other channels and refuse to stop.  (this only ever seems to come up in -ot, thankfully, I don't want to have to be put in that situation in #u)
[00:53] <LjL> but without, you're acting as your own internet entity
[00:53] <LjL> Flannel: uh, in non-ubuntu channels?
[00:54] <Flannel> LjL: yes.  If someone is trolling, lets pick an example, say, ##windows, I will ban them (after going through talking with them, etc, etc) from -ot.
[00:54] <pleia2> LjL: it's really a matter of how far you want to take it, it's easy to see someone is affiliated with Ubuntu with a cloak, but it's also not terribly hard to see they're involved with a simple google search
[00:54] <LjL> ... thanks for letting me know, i think i'll bring that up at the next ircc meeting :|
[00:55] <LjL> pleia2: yeah called stalking
[00:55] <LjL> think i'll go to bed
[00:55] <Flannel> LjL: I don't sit in ##windows waiting for someone to troll, obviously.  But if it comes up in -ot, or if someone says something and it becomes an issue.
[00:55] <LjL> before i go and request a decloak *again* without thinking
[00:55] <pleia2> this is pretty much how that UDS session went btw ;)
[00:55] <Flannel> LjL: It's against the CoC.  The code of conduct doesn't say "While at Ubuntu functions..."
[00:56] <LjL> Flannel: let's get this straight, after there was LOADS of discussion whether namespace-wide bans or bans in ubuntu channels for stuff done in other ubuntu channels were reasonable
[00:56] <LjL> you come up and say you'll ban someone who misbehaved in ##windows?
[00:59] <Flannel> LjL: Again, I don't go off doing impromptu investigations of folks in -ot, but yes. I don't think there's many parallels to be drawn between the two.
[01:55] <pangolin> I think it's important to remember that the problem was brought up while they still wore the ubuntu cloak.
[02:12] <m4v> did #fedora ops really complain about zkriesse? I have been idling in #fedora for like a month, I see some off hand comments by him but nothing like trolling on my logs.
[08:02] <topyli> m4v: i've only been there of a couple of days, but i certainly haven't seen anything like that.
[08:05] <topyli> Flannel: there is policy about organizing and/or encouraging harrassment of any group of people, and we take this 'harassment' to include encouraging trolling in other channels, like "let's go troll ##windows". but i don't think that's what he's been up to
[08:05] <topyli> zkri
[08:05] <topyli> oops
[08:06] <Flannel> topyli: I wasn't speaking to this particular instance in the slightest, by the way.
[08:08] <topyli> right, you weren't. my brain is just powering up. but we don't have policy that says trolling in ##windows is cause for getting banned in ubuntu channels, unless they advertise it in ubuntu channels
[17:03] <truepurple>  what is this channel for?
[17:06] <popey> resolution of issues in non-core Ubuntu irc channels
[17:06] <popey> such as loco channels
[17:06] <popey> but not core channels like #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic and so on


[09:51] <kaushal> hi
[09:52] <kaushal> is there a tool to diagonize issues about Critical Load in Tomcat Application Server using JAVA
[09:52] <kaushal> is there a tool to diagonize issues about Critical Load in Tomcat Application Server using JAVA
[12:06] <kaushal> hi
[12:06] <kaushal> anybody awake here
[17:41] <Kaushal> hi
[18:12] <maxb> Hello


 Can share the bugs #? (re @ahoneybun: darn @RikMills looks like latest lunar build still has the memory issue at least for me.)
 Later will check either its affected me or not
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1842320
[02:02] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1842320 in OEM Priority Project "Can't boot: 'error: out of memory.' immediately after the grub menu" [Critical, Triaged]
 @myfenris ∆
[02:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, didn't realize that was an ongoing bug. I just filed a wishlist bug that has to do with it, I think I should probably mark it as a duplicate.
 Thanks ... so far I can boot
 I've experienced this bug only with live CD images so far
 I've upgraded from kinetic
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 So booting to the installer works? (re @X: I've experienced this bug only with live CD images so far)


 Back in business
[07:28] <duflu> Interesting the monitor reports Nvidia is 24-bit colour while Intel is 30-bit colour
[07:28] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut seb128
[07:29] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[07:30] <marcustomlinson> morning luna_ oSoMoN ricotz duflu, welcome back seb128 didrocks
[07:31] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson
[07:32] <didrocks> thx marcustomlinson :)
[08:04] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[08:05] <Laney> hey
[08:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:12] <Laney> wb didrocks!
[08:12] <Laney> good holidays?
[08:12] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:13] <didrocks> Laney: holidays meaning "hard painting work" yeah :) at least, things moved, but there are still a lot to do, thanks!
[08:21] <Laney> sup duflu
[08:22] <Laney> didrocks: ah yeah, I remember this stage
[08:22] <Laney> send pix!
[08:28] <didrocks> Laney: will do! Didn’t take enough up to now :)
[08:31] <marcustomlinson> g'day Laney
[08:41] <Laney> ☮ marcustomlinson
[08:43] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:51] <Laney> moin seb128
[08:52] <Laney> not too bad, trying to fix a proposed-migration crash though /o\
[08:52] <Laney> you?
[08:52] <Laney> good long weekend?
[09:00] <Laney> ah, I see I think
[09:00] <seb128> Laney, thanks for fixing the by team report!
[09:01] <seb128> w.e was great indeed
[09:15] <Laney> no problemo
[10:16] <ijohnson> hi folks, anybody know if there an upstream issue for supporting wayland with gdm and proprietary nvidia graphics ? it seems that /lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules disables wayland wholesale if nvidia is used (and note that I _only_ have nvidia so I'm not suffering from the intel GPU + nvidia GPU bugs that already seem to be reported on LP at least)
[10:17] <seb128> ijohnson, hey, I don't know but duflu probably has the details
[10:19] <duflu> Yes, actually I proposed a fix to mutter a while back but upstream didn't like it. So we are stick with their .rules change instead
[10:19] <duflu> *stuck
[10:19] <ijohnson> duflu: is there an issue I could +1 or mark as affecting me to track progress on fixing it?
[10:22] <duflu> ijohnson, there's nothing happening in that area right now. Maybe log a bug stating that rules files are annoying. And an example of one possible solution is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/625
[10:22] <ijohnson> right I saw your MR there, thanks I'll file an upstream bug, is mutter the right gnome repo for that ?
[10:22] <duflu> Hmm
[10:22] <duflu> Good question.
[10:22] <duflu> It's a multi-project issue
[10:24] <duflu> ijohnson, to avoid conflict maybe log just a launchpad bug against both projects right now
[10:24] <duflu> And I can see if I can repropose a mutter change
[10:24] <duflu> No need to get stuck in an upstream argument while a solution doesn't exist and they also don't want one
[10:25] <ijohnson> duflu: ack, just to be clear which two projects? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3 ?
[10:26] <duflu> ijohnson, yes
[10:26] <ijohnson> ack
[10:29] <duflu> I documented the issue in the eoan release notes. Not focal though(?). Maybe it was one of my docs changes Laney thought was too verbose
[10:29] <duflu> Can't remember
[10:29] <duflu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes#Desktop
[10:29] <ijohnson> duflu: reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1887652
[10:33] <duflu> Thanks ijohnson. I will triage it more tomorrow
[10:33] <ijohnson> sounds good
[10:33] <duflu> ijohnson, though beware of the caveats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=nvidia-drm.modeset
[10:34] <ijohnson> yes I am aware of the issues, not (yet) trying to use it long term, just trying to test something out with wayland quickly
[13:23] <seb128> bah, I didn't even notice my IRC client was closed
[13:24] <seb128> was easier to notice when I was using only one messaging client :-)
[13:25] <marcustomlinson> ha yeah
[15:23] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, could you follow up again on bug #1884428 ? unsure what 'snap core has no content interface slots" means
[15:34] <marcustomlinson> seb128 kenvandine: I've got it ^
[15:34] <seb128> marcustomlinson, thanks
[15:34] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: thanks
[15:48] <seb128> the users shouldn't have to fix those content connections by hand though :/
[15:48] <seb128> also what's that error with core? is that because the command Ken suggested was missing an argument?
[15:49] <marcustomlinson> yes was missing an arg
[15:49] <marcustomlinson> I don't know why that snap isn't autoconnecting to gnome-3-34-1804
[15:50] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: did we perhaps update the calculator snap from 3-32 to 3-34 and forget to request autoconnect?
[15:58] <kenvandine> nope
[15:58] <kenvandine> anything will autoconnect to gnome-3-34-1804
[15:58] <marcustomlinson> default provider maybe wronf
[15:58] <marcustomlinson> wrong
[16:00] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: then it would effect everyone
[16:00] <kenvandine>     default-provider: gnome-3-34-1804
[16:01] <marcustomlinson> yeah it's weird
[16:01] <marcustomlinson> if I install gnome-calculator snap on my focal that connection is missing for me
[16:04] <kenvandine> oh that is very weird
[16:05] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: can you try evince?
[16:07] <kenvandine> gnome-calculator connects for me
[16:12] <kenvandine> tried in a fresh focal VM too, auto-connected just fine
[16:18] <ijohnson> I noticed a problem yesterday with gnome-calculator in that it didn't seem to auto-connect to gtk-common-themes unless I first uninstalled gtk-common-themes, then installed gnome-calculator and then the content snap connections to gtk-common-themes worked
[16:18] <ijohnson> I didn't debug it further though unfortunately
[16:25] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: evince does not connect for me
[16:26] <marcustomlinson> hmm I have some custom version of gnome-3-34-1804 installed
[16:27] <marcustomlinson> ah ok, if I install gnome-3-34-1804 from stable the autoconnections work fine
[16:28] <marcustomlinson> I must have been messing with that platform snap and had a local copy installed
[16:43] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: whew...
[22:34] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master a92dbe8 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ 0019-display-Support-UI-scaled-logical-monitor-mode.patch 0024-display-Allow-fractional-scaling-to-be-enabled.patch * display: Don't disable fractional scaling immediately on integer changes * https://deb.li/Qi4e
[22:34] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master cb48f84 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/0024-display-Allow-fractional-scaling-to-be-enabled.patch * display: Use renderer and layout to figure out fractional scaling state * https://deb.li/3HCz0
[22:34] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal 4bc6a70 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ 0019-display-Support-UI-scaled-logical-monitor-mode.patch 0024-display-Allow-fractional-scaling-to-be-enabled.patch * display: Don't disable fractional scaling immediately on integer changes * https://deb.li/V7DA
[22:57] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master f08c76e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/0008-Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * ubuntu: Don't try to fetch monitors if the config manager is not ready yet * https://deb.li/ik5jz
[22:58] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/focal 9df2f58 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/0008-Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * ubuntu: Don't try to fetch monitors if the config manager is not ready yet * https://deb.li/3mCfd


[00:14] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I just switched over to 12.04 , but your private ppa isn't allowing me access to \
[00:14] <BluesKaj> calligra
[00:16] <BluesKaj> it's probly much too lte there ,, so I''ll try again tomorrow
[00:36] <BluesKaj> ok , somebody added the new 2.5 calligra to the backports ..installing now
[06:29] <Tm_T> I thought people here might be interested, http://www.4-traders.com/news/Digia-to-Acquire-Qt-from-Nokia--14452993/
[06:30] <ScottK> Tm_T: Thanks.
[06:33] <ScottK> I'm guessing that almost anything is better than staying with the sinking ship that is Nokia.
[06:36] <Tm_T> ScottK: I don't have high confident with Digia either though
[06:37] <ScottK> Well, at least they are making money with it.
[06:37] <Tm_T> ScottK: true, and are hopefully willing to work on it, instead of leaving it to limbo
[06:38] <ScottK> Well, due to http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php they'll be highly motivated.  If Qt ever gets BSD'ed then their commercial revenue goes way south immediately.
[09:34] <debfx> ScottK: did you run kubuntu-ppa-build-status for KDE 4.8.5?
[09:56] <agateau> shadeslayer_: hey, you tried to ping me a few days ago, what's up
[10:09] <debfx> Riddell: ksplash still has horos as background
[10:10] <Riddell> oh foo
[10:10] <debfx> we should just patch ksplash/ksplashx/themes/CMakeLists.txt to remove horos
[10:12] <Riddell> debfx: agreed, do you want to do that or shall I?
[10:15]  * Riddell makes it so
[10:23] <Quintasan> debfx: weak-library-dev-dependency libmaliit1-dev on libmaliit1 (>= ${source:Version})
[10:23] <Quintasan> if I go binary:Version it complains about the same thing
[10:28] <Quintasan> hell
[10:28] <Quintasan> starting from scratch
[10:39] <Quintasan> !@$%!#$@!
[10:39] <shadeslayer> agateau: well ... KMessageWidget won't show up when you're doing a video call ( hidden by the video sink I believe ), but there's no way to reproduce that till someone writes a Test bot
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: <3
[10:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ${misc:Depends} how does this crap work?
[10:39] <Quintasan> can't find anything in manual
[10:39] <Quintasan> and debelper complains about lack of it in a dev package
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: "Some debhelper commands may cause the generated package to depend on some additional packages. All such commands generate a list of required packages for each binary package. This list is used for substituting ${misc:Depends}."
[10:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html
[10:40] <Quintasan> So it's basically wanted for every package
[10:41] <Quintasan> no idea why dh-make omits that for dev
[10:41] <agateau> shadeslayer_: iirc the way it is setup in the ui file is KMessageWidget is a child of the widget showing the video, right?
[10:41] <agateau> shadeslayer_: you should try moving it to be a sibling of this widget instead of a child
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ah .. mm .. will try
[10:42] <shadeslayer> though it's really hard to actually test if it's working properly :P
[10:43] <shadeslayer> since just flipping the bits won't work in this case
[10:43] <agateau> heh
[10:43] <shadeslayer> you really do need to introduce a error while holding the call
[10:43] <shadeslayer> for which, we need to write a test bot
[10:43] <agateau> just add a QTimer::singleShot(500, errorWidget, SLOT(animatedShow());
[10:44] <shadeslayer> hmm .. that sounds doable
[10:47] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[10:47] <shadeslayer> Hi BluesKaj
[10:49] <BluesKaj> tried calligra 2.5 on 12.04 , mainly simple things like opening textfile ... no breakage or freezing
[10:49] <BluesKaj> textfiles
[10:49] <Riddell> BluesKaj: great, thanks
[10:51] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big office app user tho , so my testing is rather limited
[10:54] <debfx> Quintasan: it should be (= ${binary:Version})
[10:54] <Quintasan> debfx: Thanks, but I started from scratch, that PPA packaging is a PITA
[10:57] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Great, it uses qmake
[10:57] <Quintasan> xD
[10:57] <shadeslayer> what uses qmake?
[10:57] <shadeslayer> maliit?
[10:58] <Quintasan> Yeah
[10:59] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[10:59] <shadeslayer> and I'm going to upload the new virtuoso and fixed nepomuk in an another hour or so ...
[11:00] <shadeslayer> cmagina: have you seen any issues with the patched nepomuk?
[11:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I think I managed to condense http://paste.kde.org/531278 into http://paste.kde.org/531284
[11:02] <Quintasan> fml
[11:02] <shadeslayer> space := $(empty) $(empty)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> hah
[11:02] <Quintasan> I have no idea what's all this stuff
[11:02] <shadeslayer> me neither
[11:02] <Quintasan> WHY THE HELL DO I NEED GDB TO BUILD TESTS
[11:02] <Quintasan> THIS IS RIDICULOUS
[11:03] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[11:03] <Quintasan> Really
[11:03] <shadeslayer> fun :)
[11:03] <Quintasan> It complains about missing gdb during build process
[11:03] <Quintasan> + I get FTBFS on release tarball
[11:03] <Quintasan> mikhas has some splainin' to do here
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: pingly
[11:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:04] <Quintasan> OR I'm doing something wrong
[11:04] <Quintasan> Aw shit
[11:04] <Quintasan> Gotta go return the crappy cable
[11:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: do you have a idea what happens if one links a videoscale element to a xvimagesink? is gstreamer smart enough to use hardware to scale the video instead of software even though we have a videoscale element in the pipeline
[11:38] <Quintasan> asdasdasdasds
[11:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: copy paste your pbuilderrc
[11:38] <Quintasan> This retarded pbuilder still uses make -j1
[11:38] <Quintasan> whereas I could use -j5
[11:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/531314
[11:41] <Quintasan> HELL
[11:41] <Quintasan> IT WANTS AN X SESSSION TO RUN TESTS?
[11:41] <Quintasan> lawd
[11:42] <shadeslayer> that's .. common
[11:42] <Quintasan> How do I deal with it?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> iirc you can do that, I don't recall the name of the program though
[11:43] <shadeslayer> fakeX
[11:43] <shadeslayer> or something
[11:43] <Quintasan> Same hre
[11:43] <Quintasan> Can't remember the name
[11:43] <Quintasan> xD
[11:43] <shadeslayer> aha
[11:43] <shadeslayer> xvfb
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb
[11:44] <shadeslayer> !info xvfb
[11:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Eh, failed
[11:51] <Quintasan> Core dumped on one and more tests
[11:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: need more info than that
[11:51] <Quintasan> damnit
[11:51] <shadeslayer> fwiw I've only seen xvfb being used by one package to test stuff
[11:52] <shadeslayer> and now I can't recall which package it ws
[11:52] <shadeslayer> *was
[11:52] <Quintasan> well
[11:52] <Quintasan> I need a break
[11:52] <Quintasan> been fighting with it all morning
[11:52] <Quintasan> bbl
[11:52] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:03] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: terribly unlikely
[12:03] <shadeslayer> ouch
[12:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: so the issue is, ktp-call-ui uses xvimagesink to build a videosink to display the video
[12:04] <shadeslayer> but, when you don't have xvimagesink, ktp-call-ui won't work
[12:04] <shadeslayer> so I added a fallbackoption to ximagesink
[12:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fgarg%2Fktp-call-ui.git&a=commitdiff&h=2b7cf28ff54e35ea14b68e70176dc2d1e885e883&hp=6de1dd5ab5335ebadd0ce940173674074eb12b08
[12:12] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: and why do you care about people not having xvimagesink?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: because I don't have xvimagesink
[12:12] <shadeslayer> since my ATI card is too new
[12:12] <shadeslayer> and the driver doesn't do xvimagesink
[12:13]  * apachelogger_ finds that hard believe
[12:13] <shadeslayer> % xvinfo                                                                                shadeslayer@solembum
[12:13] <shadeslayer> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[12:13] <shadeslayer> screen #0
[12:13] <shadeslayer>  no adaptors present
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: ^
[12:16] <apachelogger_> that's not saying anything about the state of your system :P
[12:16] <apachelogger_> only that as a result of something you have no xv :P
[12:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: this is a brand new install :P
[12:17] <shadeslayer> with just some dev tools installed
[12:17] <apachelogger_> so?
[12:17] <apachelogger_> install of what?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> of the entire system?
[12:18] <apachelogger_> ....
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: I haven't installed the proprietary drivers
[12:18] <shadeslayer> I believe they have xv support, but not the opensource ones
[12:22] <shadeslayer> "[ 6385.464634] chromium-browse invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201da, order=0, oom_adj=1, oom_score_adj=100"
[12:23] <shadeslayer> yay
[12:24] <debfx> I didn't know NASA could build such hilarious robots: https://twitter.com/SarcasticRover
[12:30] <Riddell> debfx: :)
[12:32] <Riddell> ScottK: so did you do the calligra security update in 12.04 ?
[12:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  The security team has it and is working it.
[12:36] <Riddell> cool
[12:38] <shadeslayer> ubottu: ping
[13:18] <Riddell> oh cool we have both a telepathy-qt and telepathy-qt4 in the archive
[13:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is that bad?
[13:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: well yes they're the same source package and produce the same binaries, I've removed telepathy-qt4 now
[13:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: lal, regarding my network problems, I found a long eth cable in garage and bought the female connector you linked me to. The cable from my sis room to pc room seems to be broken because when I swapped it with the cable I found in the garage  and dragged it downstairs and plugged it in everything works with 100mbps
[13:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm still curious how this hub makes the whole thing work when it obviously shouldn't
[13:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: Oh, okay
[13:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: It'd be nice if you had me modify the seeds sometimes, never done that and would like to try it.
[13:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'll try and remember next time it needs it
[13:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks.
[13:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: If we were to put maliit in repos it would land in universe?
[13:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: yep
[13:32] <Riddell> assuming it's free software
[13:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can I skip packaging tests for it then? Those tests require gdb and (worse) running X session. Xvfb doesn't solve the problem because the tests SEGFAULT on me
[13:34] <Riddell> Quintasan: yeah I think that's understandable
[13:36]  * shadeslayer has been working with seeds for the past week
[13:36] <shadeslayer> actually, make that two weeks :P
[14:14] <cmagina> shadeslayer: i didn't have any issues with the updated nepomuk, so if you haven't uploaded it, go for it :)
[14:17] <Riddell> thanks for testing cmagina
[14:18] <cmagina> np, thanks for patching it shadeslayer, was a nasty bug
[14:30] <Riddell> I wonder if we should allow installing owncloud apps by default
[14:30] <Riddell> installs from http://apps.owncloud.com
[14:30] <Riddell> but disabled by debian
[14:30] <Riddell> Blizzz: is there any security on that site?
[14:33] <Blizzz> Riddell: we are discussing a review system for apps, but so far there is none
[14:37] <Riddell> yeah, that's debian's issue with it
[14:38] <Blizzz> if you want to be on the safe side turn it off
[14:39] <Blizzz> isn't there the same issue with  Mozillas Add Ons?
[14:40] <Riddell> I don't know, I don't have an opinion yet
[14:43] <Blizzz> Theoretically it's possible to write evil apps that only show a fluffy bunny but send things away. Afaik it did not happen yet, but that's why we will need some review system eventually
[14:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:44]  * shadeslayer hits upload
[14:46] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:46] <shadeslayer>  kde-workspace-bin : Depends: kde-workspace-data (= 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[14:47] <shadeslayer> maybe not published?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> nope, it's there
[14:48] <Riddell> archive scew
[14:48] <jtechidna> probably i386 hasn't built yet
[14:48] <shadeslayer> but I'm not using a mirror
[14:48] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: nope, it's there
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I'm using the main repo, archive.ubuntu.com ...
[14:49] <jtechidna> i386 packages not synced yet?
[14:49] <Riddell> golly a whole new digikam
[14:49] <jtechidna> hmm
[14:49] <jtechidna> nvm, you said you weren't using a mirror
[14:50] <Riddell> wait and it'll sort itself out
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[14:56] <shadeslayer> and wtf, why can't I upload nepomuk
[14:56] <shadeslayer> that's just mental
[14:56] <shadeslayer> and my X keeps taking up 60% of the memory
[14:58] <shadeslayer> is nepomuk not in the kubuntu packageset?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> or was I kicked out of kubuntu dev :P
[14:59] <shadeslayer> nope, still there
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ nepomuk needs fixing to be in the kubuntu packageset apparently
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fooey, do e-mail cjwatson about it
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: need me to upload?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> please do
[15:02] <shadeslayer> virtuoso as well
[15:03] <shadeslayer> they're here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[15:03] <shadeslayer> although
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please re check virtuoso
[15:03] <shadeslayer> because it's the first time I've looked into virtuoso so I wasn't very familiar with it
[15:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: apparently gst is smart enough to use hardware video decoding when using xvimagesink and videoscale in the same pipe
[15:05] <Riddell> virtuoso is sufficiently complex you need to be a vHanda to be familiar with it
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or a trueg :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> I just made sure that everything in README.source was followed ....
[15:10] <Riddell> Blizzz: hmm it downloads apps to /usr/share/owncloud when we would need it to write to /var/lib/owncloud, any idea what it would take to change that?
[15:12] <Blizzz> Riddell: i'd say /var/lib/owncloud should be written to the config file in the apps_path array (compare config/config.sample.php on the bottom)
[15:17] <debfx> are the apps authenticated somehow? like downloaded via https?
[15:19] <Riddell> debfx: since I think anyone can upload to that site there wouldn't be much advantage in that
[15:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploaded
[15:20] <Riddell> hey shadeslayer, would your shiny server be suitable for a kubuntu owncloud instance? :)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: depends, just for testing?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> and how much space do you need ?
[15:24] <Riddell> nah, I'm wondering where to store receipts for AWS, and wouldn't it be fun to have a kubuntu music server :)
[15:25] <debfx> Riddell: it would protect against MITM attacks
[15:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my server only has 15GB's of space, and I think the usage is currently about 75%
[15:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: keep a eye on http://doesbuyvmhavestock.com/
[15:27] <shadeslayer> they have really cheap VPS's
[15:49] <shadeslayer> sigh
[15:49] <shadeslayer> kwin is taking up 1.5G's of pix memory
[15:59] <ScottK> Quintasan: Do you remember me telling you "It's always the cable"?
[16:00] <ScottK> I'm guessing the hub works because then the speed negotiation between the arm box and the hub gets the 100Mbps rate that the arm box needs
[16:00] <ScottK> The bad cable isn't dead, just has a broken conductor with poor connectivity, so it'll work at the lower data rate.
[16:01] <ScottK> (similar to how 10 base T ethernet cable lengths are much longer than 100 base T which are longer than gigabit ethernet.
[16:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:19] <vHanda> shadeslayer: Riddell: Need any help?
[16:19] <shadeslayer> gah
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload virtuoso with ppa1? :P
[16:20] <vHanda> I'll take that as a no
[16:21] <shadeslayer> yeah, he already uploaded it :)
[16:37] <Riddell> hmm did I?
[16:37] <Riddell> oh, doh
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:05] <shadeslayer> yay, upgrade screwed up so many things
[19:05] <shadeslayer> lightdm now doesn't detect my stable KDE session
[19:05] <shadeslayer> backlight cannot be controlled on display
[19:07] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[19:07] <shadeslayer> didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed O_O
[20:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what sort of upgrade did you do?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[20:02] <Riddell> oh well, that's not supported :)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> wait what ? :P
[20:05] <Riddell> release upgrade tool is
[20:05] <Riddell> hmm, what happened this week to report to the release meeting?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> no, what I meant was, I was on quantal, and I ran : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:07]  * shadeslayer looks at apt.log
[20:07] <shadeslayer> yep, last dist-ugprade removed kubuntu-desktop
[20:08] <shadeslayer> for those interested : http://paste.kde.org/531620/
[20:08] <shadeslayer> line 12
[20:17] <Riddell> more archive skew?
[20:21] <micahg> shadeslayer: are you running -proposed?
[20:22] <shadeslayer> I think so, need to check
[20:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:22] <micahg> shadeslayer: don't run devel -proposed :)
[20:23] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[20:23] <shadeslayer> I wanted to test whether the new X stack fixed the mem leaks on my system :P
[20:23] <micahg> ah, ok
[20:23] <shadeslayer> which I think it does
[20:24] <shadeslayer> X is idling at 4.3 % of mem rather than shooting upto 60%
[20:25] <shadeslayer> so, I was wondering, the live cd uses syslinux to boot the live system right?
[20:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think so
[21:39] <pedahzur> So, I see https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs and https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs, but no obvious way to create bugs (at least there). What is the procedure now for opening bugs against Kubuntu packages? There is no Kubuntu project in Launchpad.
[21:41] <Riddell> pedahzur: kubuntu is part of ubuntu so it's the same as for any ubuntu package
[21:41] <Riddell> pedahzur: if it's an upstream KDE bug report to bugs.kde.org, else ubuntu-bug <packagename> should do it
[21:44] <pedahzur> Riddell: OK, so even though Canonical is no longer supporting Kubuntu, I report them under Ubuntu.  Actually for the bug I was going to report, there is already an upstream report, but I was going to create a launchpad bug that tracked that bug so I'd know if/when the fix made it in to Kubuntu packages.
[21:52] <pedahzur> Hmm...I thought there was an option on the bug report form to track it up stream.
[21:58] <micahg> pedahzur: there are 4 other non-Canonical directly supported derivatives in the Ubuntu archive besides Kubuntu
[21:59] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: there is ... there's something called  "Also affects"
[22:00] <micahg> pedahzur: Ubuntu is a community project of which Canonical is one corporate sponsor of resources (albeit a very large one)
[22:03] <pedahzur> micahg: I (somewhat) understand the structure, but wasn't there an announcement not too long ago, that Canonical was no longer going to support Kubuntu at all? (at least not by funding developers).
[22:04] <ScottK> pedahzur: But it's still part of Ubuntu the distro.
[22:04] <micahg> pedahzur: umm, that just means not funding the developer they used to or to press actual CDs
[22:05] <pedahzur> ScottK: OK, that makes sense.
[22:05] <pedahzur> micahg: Gotcha.
[22:08] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: OK, the also affects project doesn't give me an option for adding a URL. Also affects distribution gives me an error that I can't add bug watches for Ubuntu, since launchpad is its tracker. I could *swear* I had seen somebody link to bugs.kde.org at some point in the past (and not just in a comment). Ah well, I've added the URL in a comment.
[22:08] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: can you link me to the bug
[22:09] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1035105    on KDE: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304866
[22:10] <pedahzur> Sorry, didn't mean to be a pain...I thought it was a quick, simple answer.
[22:10] <shadeslayer> no problem ;)
[22:11] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: done ... I think
[22:12] <pedahzur> Ah, cool. OK...now how did you do that? :)
[22:12] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: "Also affects distribution"
[22:12] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's weird
[22:13] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: What did you select as the distro? What did you use as the source package name?  Anything different than I did?
[22:13] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: I added the bug link and selected the project as Akonadi
[22:14] <shadeslayer> accidentally set it as mandriva first ( too sleepy to notice that in the first go )
[22:14]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[22:14] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1035105/+distrotask But I don't see an Akonadi link... OK...g'nite! Sleep well. :)
[22:15] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: set source package name as akonadi
[22:15] <shadeslayer> and then add the url
[22:15] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[22:16] <pedahzur> Actually, isn't the source package kmail? :)
[22:16] <shadeslayer> sec
[22:17] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: upstream bug report says akonadi
[22:17] <pedahzur> Ah, you're right.  But it is in the kmail package, if I do a dpkg -S. But we'll go with their bug tracker.
[22:17] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: Thanks for all your help! Much appreciated!
[22:17] <shadeslayer> pedahzur: so I've removed the bug watch, now you can add it this way
[22:17] <shadeslayer> click on Also affects project
[22:18] <shadeslayer> then set the project as akonadi
[22:18] <shadeslayer> click continue
[22:18] <shadeslayer> enter the bug url
[22:18] <shadeslayer> then click on continue again
[22:19] <shadeslayer> profit
[22:19] <shadeslayer> ;)
[22:19] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: Sweet! I knew I'd seen it before...just the terminology was confusing me. Much thanks.
[22:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's a bit confusing
[22:19]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[22:19] <shadeslayer> night everyone
[22:20] <pedahzur> shadeslayer: night!


[06:59] <bazhang> !canibeanop
[06:59] <rww> I misread that as "canned bean op"
[06:59] <bazhang> hehe
[07:01] <jussi01> lol
[08:30] <DJones> Should the first line of that not ask, Have you seen a physciatrist?"
[10:15] <jussi01> DJones: likely :D
[10:16] <jussi01> DJones: Ive not seen your application yet... Im assuming you arent that crazy :D