[22:32] <ar_help1> Does anyone know what happens to /var (on a different partition) when I do a clean install on ubuntu?
[22:32] <nabukadnezar43> hi, i did a minimal xfce install but i can't reboot as a user, what am i missing? i tried gpasswd -a username power but it complained that power group doesn't exist
[22:32] <willdabeast> wilee-nilee, gotcha I'll give it a shot
[22:32] <nabukadnezar43> xfce asks for a password when i hit restart button
[22:33] <tom> i know this is an idiot's question. please just redirect me.
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> willdabeast, Probably easier ways, I just have never been in that situation as I remember anyway, and I only know the commands I use regularly, and google for any not known. ;)
[22:33] <dr_willis> tom:  you downloaded the skype .deb package?
[22:34] <dr_willis> !skype
[22:34] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | wilee-nilee
[22:34] <Jordan_U> wilee-nilee: Sorry, that was for willdabeast.
[22:34] <tom> thank you ubottu. i haven't downloaded the package yet because of that issue.
[22:34] <dr_willis> tom:  theres a skype repository thats reccomended.
[22:35] <RedPenguin> hello all
[22:35] <tom> right in that link that ubottu sent to me?
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> Jordan_U, Thanks I know the bootscript, the user just does not know the partitions and the OS's and wants to remove one, I didn't want to go through the joy of getting them to run that, some users have a bit of a problem there. I also don't remember the pastebin command to just kick it from the repos bootscript, I forgot it, DOH
[22:36] <tom> that is, dr_willis: right in that link that ubottu sent to me?
[22:36] <xibalba> k
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> Jordan_U, Ah and I was typing and not reading the posts.
[22:36] <dr_willis> tom:  2 lines of code to cut/paste and its installed...
[22:37] <RedPenguin> I am trying to set a static IP in 12.04 server and followed the guide from ubuntu.com ifconfig, /etc/resolv.conf, netstat -nr all look good but can't ping even local lan pcs  yet can ssh in yet dhcp ip works fine
[22:37] <tom> ok
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> willdabeast, Follow Jordan_U that be some fine help. ;)
[22:38] <willdabeast> k thanks so what was the command again Jordan_U?
[22:39] <tom> got it, thanks dr willis and ubottu
[22:39] <willdabeast> Jordan_U what was the command? !bootinfo?
[22:40] <willdabeast> Jordan_U !!!111
[22:42] <willdabeast> oh well haha, time to /roll
[22:42] <erle-> what does %u from "firefox %u" mean?
[22:42] <erle-> it makes firefox unable to start
[22:43] <tom> me again. i'm getting Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[22:43] <tom>  'Ubuntu-Studio 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - Release amd64 (20111011)'
[22:43] <tom> in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
[22:43] <RedPenguin> according to MozillaSupport if it's %U ut means URL
[22:43] <willdabeast> wilee-nilee, is a swap partition necessary for just 1 OS per HD?
[22:43] <tom> need a workaround
[22:44] <yakeb> nobody?
[22:44] <alone> for ?
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> willdabeast, swap has two basic uses, first if you are running the ram to the limit and second if you want to hibernate, personally I use a swap that builds itself as needed in the OS, I never hibernate.
[22:45] <RedPenguin> supposed to be if you drag a url on to it's shortcut it opens it
[22:46] <Jayflux> is there a way to retain my mount --bind's when i restart the system?
[22:46] <tom> it gives me a variety of web addresses. should i check them all, or what?
[22:47] <nikhil_> has anyone used partition magic to resize a win7 partition and then install *nix this guide (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-gparted-to-resize-your-windows-vista-partition/) says I need a Vista CD on hand to repair the Win7 installation. Is there another way to do it, if, for example, I install Ubuntu onto the newly created partition?
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> willdabeast, I use swapspace it just makes a swap when needed in the OS, I rarely need use of a swap so it works fine for me.
[22:47] <yeehi> I am doing some searches on my file system for a folder - it takes a v long time. Can we index the drive or something like that to speed up searches? It is possible in windows - something like that...
[22:47] <willdabeast> wilee-nilee so you think 2 gb is a solid size? Even though I guess it's based on ram
[22:47] <Mailman> 2GB is solid
[22:48] <willdabeast> k cool
[22:48] <wilee-nilee> willdabeast, That would be correct I only have 2 gigs ram, and the only time it is really used is with virtualbox running.
[22:48] <Mailman> I would get an upgrade on that RAM when you get a chance though.
[22:48] <ar_help1> Can you please help me with a (possible) data recovery issue?
[22:48] <wols_> yeehi: yes. install mlocate
[22:49] <yeehi> thanks wols!
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> willdabeast, generally a swap equal to ram is suggested, unless you have a astronomical amount of ram.
[22:49] <willdabeast> sounds good, yea I definitely don't haha, this thing might as well be a typewriter
[22:49] <Mailman> Well, I have 4gb of RAM and I can already tell that 8gb will be the norm within the next 5 years
[22:50] <MonkeyDust> Mailman  i thought you would say: 6 months
[22:50] <Mailman> Thats probably an accurate time too ^
[22:50] <extropy> why does my USB midi keyboard no longer work in (wine-dependent) LMMS?
[22:50] <extropy> all it'll give me is "Dummy MIDI"
[22:51] <Mailman> Considering "Source Engine SDK" alone wants a minimum of 4gb
[22:51] <arronhunt> how come when I ssh into a server and press the up key, it prints out ^[[A?
[22:51] <yeehi> wols - i installed mlocate - how do I launch it? does it have a gui?
[22:54] <Fishscene> arronhunt: Are you running a command when you press the up arrow key?
[22:55] <arronhunt> Fishscene no.
[22:55] <arronhunt> down prints out ^[[B
[22:56] <arronhunt> Fishscene only on a particular user though. root works fine
[22:57] <Fishscene> arronhunt: So when you have the prompt: "(yourname)@(computer): ~$" And you press the up arrow, you get that?
[22:57] <arronhunt> it just says $ Fishscene
[22:57] <RedPenguin> I made some progress in my static IP issue, turns out I can ping another LAN PC but not the actual gateway/router
[22:58] <Mailman> RedPenguin: run a batch?
[22:58] <Fishscene> Sounds like a custom bash configuration. I just read about this yesterday in a book, so I'm no expert, but you might consider resetting the bash configuration for that user. I have no idea how to do this, so this is just an idea.
[22:58] <arronhunt> Fishscene thats exactly what I thought the problem was. I'm not sure either.
[22:58] <arronhunt> I'll research it
[22:59] <RedPenguin> Mailman: well not running a batch just trying to get Ubuntu Server to work correctly iwth a static IP vs DHCP
[23:01] <zl2tod> arronhunt, what shell are you sshing into ? is it actually bash ?
[23:01] <sihroje> hi
[23:01] <arronhunt> iTerm2
[23:01] <sihroje> selam
[23:01] <sihroje> kimse var mı
[23:02] <sihroje> #istanbul
[23:02] <Mailman> RedPenguin: Ahh, what are you setting up exactly?
[23:02] <ThePub> This should be simple :)  I've installed Ubuntu and added myself to the "optical" group (which owns /dev/sr0) but whenever I insert a DVD it asks me to authenticate.  How do I just let it do its thing and not bother me?
[23:02] <sihroje> türkiye
[23:02] <sihroje> #türkiye
[23:03] <Mailman> #american
[23:03] <Mailman> ;O
[23:03] <sihroje> :=)
[23:03] <sihroje> kürdish
[23:04] <Fishscene> arronhunt: Does "~/.bash_profile" exist?
[23:04] <Fishscene> For that user?
[23:04] <RedPenguin> Mailman: well trying in Server 12.04 to set a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces following the guide at ubuntu.com, and all debug commands look good but can't ping gateway or any WAN stuff, only can ping other internal PCs
[23:04] <wols_> yeehi: no gui. it runs once per day as a cron script (updatedb). then you can use "locate" to look for files
[23:06] <wols_> ThePub: getent group optical
[23:06] <Fishscene> RedPenguin: Are you using VLAN's?
[23:06] <yeehi> ah, thank you, wols - so i imagine it is updating the db now, i will give it some time, then, when it is ready, at the command line do I just type: locate filename.txt or whatever I am looking for?
[23:06] <Mailman> RedPenguin: Well check to make sure you can ping an outside device, and I think 12.10 might help, if 12.04 is breaking on you.
[23:06] <takyon29> hiya]
[23:06] <wols_> RedPenguin: pastebin your interfaces file
[23:06] <wols_> yeehi: run "updatedb" as root
[23:06] <wols_> yeehi: yes. locate <part of a filename>
[23:07] <RedPenguin> wols_: k one sec
[23:07] <RedPenguin> Fishscene: no VLAns
[23:07] <takyon29> so is any body liking the ubuntu 12.10 yet?
[23:07] <Steve27> Hello
[23:07] <Steve27> Does anyone know how can I add a line at every line I have in a text file? Every line starts with localhost .... and I'd like to add UNREAD (on a new line)after every line which contains localhost. Thank you in advance.
[23:07] <yeehi> ok - sudo updatedb went smoothly - nothing seemed to happen...
[23:08] <yeehi> wols - could I do: locate foldername/filename.txt ?
[23:08] <wols_> yeehi: the disk should have been audible. it reads in all filenames
[23:08] <wols_> yeehi: yes
[23:08] <yeehi> you are great wols - i bet this mlocate has been useful for you...
[23:08] <yeehi> my hdd is quite quiet
[23:09] <Mailman> RedPenguin: interfaces file link.
[23:09] <RedPenguin> http://pastebin.com/h9mtNM4r
[23:10] <RedPenguin> that';s the link I just gave
[23:10] <GeorgeTorwell> What is the difference between a ubuntu LTS and non-LTS release? Is it worth upgrading from 12.04 (LTS) to 12.10?
[23:11] <RedPenguin> LTS means more years of support
[23:11] <yeehi> This is my problem: I would like to find the plugins folder for keepass2 that has been installed - i have searched and explored the hits, but there seems to be no plugins folder in any of the keepass folders... where is KeePass installed?
[23:11] <RedPenguin> Long Term Support
[23:11] <GeorgeTorwell> So does that mean 12.10 wont be supported long term?
[23:11] <wols_> yeehi: dpkg -L <packagename>
[23:11] <RedPenguin> but the odd thing is ifconfig, netstat -nr, and resolv.conf file all look the same as when I have DHCP on
[23:11] <GeorgeTorwell> yeehi: usually /usr/bin/keepass
[23:11] <RedPenguin> yet with DHCP it works
[23:11] <Name141> can someone help me remember the ISO -> USB2 stick for windows program ?
[23:11] <compdoc> GeorgeTorwell, if you want to use the same OS without having to upgrade as often, go LTS. If you want the newest software, go 12.10
[23:11] <wols_> RedPenguin: traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:12] <GeorgeTorwell> But 12.10 will recieve updates and such, right?
[23:12] <RedPenguin> wols_: just dies giving * * * for every hop
[23:12] <wols_> RedPenguin: could be your router doesn't route packages since it not assigned via dhcp
[23:12] <Steve27> Name141: try unetbootin
[23:12] <pepee> GeorgeTorwell, yes. for a couple years
[23:12] <wols_> maybe tell the router to exclude .100 and above from dhcp
[23:12] <Leestons> Name141: A quick google search threw up iso to usb 1.0 ?
[23:12] <Name141> Steve27: there she blows
[23:13] <wols_> Name141: use yumi
[23:13] <Name141> 'yumi' ?
[23:13] <Fishscene> RedPenguin: Why are network and broadcast commented out?
[23:13] <RedPenguin> Fishscene: I did have them not-commented out but figured what if I had them wrong but I didn't think so i tried that also
[23:13] <MrBushido> is there any obvious reason why my mouse moves more slowly over things like browser windows playing a flash video/game, or vlc/game in windowed mode?
[23:14] <RedPenguin> wols_: it should not be blocking cause I had static IP set Windows PCs and Linux PCs already it hgad no issues iwth
[23:14] <MrBushido> im not quite sure if its just lag on the input or if its actually slower movement
[23:14] <Fishscene> RedPenguin: Gotchya. Did you restart your networking? sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:15] <Steve27> Sorry, I'm not familiar with mirc. Why I cannot write in other channels? "cannot send to channel" ..
[23:16] <blackness> wow, on 12.10 im having tons of issues.
[23:16] <Fishscene> Steve27: You may have better luck asking in #irc
[23:16] <yeehi> Thank you wols - that dpkg command is great! Thanks GeorgeTorwell -
[23:16] <Steve27> ok, thank you Fishscene
[23:16] <Fishscene> However, if you can't get there, are you sure you have joined the channels you are trying to talk to?
[23:16] <Fishscene> Steve27: I'm assuming it worked?
[23:16] <yeehi> I could see those files, but there seems to be no plugins folder that has been generated, for some reason
[23:16] <blackness> Anyone have issues with audacious on 12.10? it segfaults as soon as it loads.
[23:17] <Steve27> We'll see, I just asked.
[23:18] <Steve27> Oh, I need to register
[23:18] <Fishscene> Steve27, Yes I saw. :)
[23:18] <RedPenguin> Fishscene: I tried that and even rebooting the PC
[23:18] <Fishscene> RedPenguin: The only thing I can think of is in this tutorial: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/ (Which suggests removing the DHCP package which may be interfering with static IP addresses.
[23:19] <RedPenguin> thanks Fishscene
[23:19] <Fishscene> Read it all the way through, then take action :)
[23:19] <RedPenguin> yea I just thought it was so bizzare cause I have set many Debian and Ubuntu PCs static the same way as this and never had any issue
[23:20] <RedPenguin> only diff was the older versions didn't seem to use "dns name-servers" and you set it manually in resolv.conf
[23:21] <Fishscene> RedPenguin: It's a tricky matter. Most of the time it works, but when it doesn't, it *really* doesn't. I've had the same experience too. lol. Although for me, I was able to tell my DHCP server to always assign a particular IP to that server. So I lucked out.
[23:22] <codezombie> question, how does one upgrade revisions? for example... 10.04.2 to 10.04.4
[23:22] <Steve27> Does anyone know how can I add a line at every line I have in a text file? Every line starts with localhost .... and I'd like to add UNREAD (on a new line)after every line which contains localhost. Thank you in advance. - sorry for repeating myself
[23:22] <codezombie> I've found plenty on how to upgrade releases, but not revisions
[23:23] <XMLnewbi> Im haveing issues with phpmyadmin    I have reinstalled a few times but i keep getting Cannot start session without errors, please check errors given in your PHP and/or webserver log file and configure your PHP installation properly.
[23:24] <pepee> everyone, have you ever receiver a job offer in this or other linux-related channels?
[23:24] <RedPenguin> Fishscene: yea, but my problem is eventually this server will be my DHCP
[23:24] <RedPenguin> lol
[23:24] <Fishscene> Steve27: Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but take a look at this: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html
[23:25] <Fishscene> RedPenguin: ROFL! Yea, I'd just double/triple check your name resolution settings. Maybe cut things down to one DNS server for testing, then adding more later (who knows, maybe multiple on one line is causing the problem?)
[23:26] <Steve27> Um...that's how to add a blank line. I would love not a blank one but the word "UNREAD" on that line
[23:26] <Steve27> Thank you anyway
[23:26] <dawne_p> I've got an acer laptop that reboots instead of shutting down.  I installed laptop-mode-tools and it's running, but was I supposed to change a setting somewhere to fix the problem?
[23:27] <RedPenguin> lol trying to remove dhcp-client "virtual packages" can't be removed
[23:28] <Fishscene> loverly
[23:32] <RedPenguin> anybody know what ubuntu-minimal is? (uninstalling isc-dhcp-client wants to uninstall it also)
[23:32] <josy1982_> sound don't works good on my ubuntu 12.10 everytime when i start ubuntu sound is deactivated i have to turn on manually and i have noises what can i do?
[23:32] <jrib> !info ubuntu-minimal | RedPenguin
[23:33] <dawne_p> Or maybe laptop-mode-tools is not the answer.  Why would shutdown (I've done it in the menu and with init 0 form a command line) reboot (init 6) instead?
[23:33] <RedPenguin> oh doesn't sound like a good idea to uninstall then definitely
[23:33] <RedPenguin> but cool bot (never seen one that piped)
[23:34] <soupeee> can't connect to free wifi at McDonalds but CAN connect to secure wifi at home. debug ON, complete wicd session at McDonalds here: http://bpaste.net/show/53392/
[23:35] <dawne_p> soupeee, I've had trouble going from one network to another without a reboot.  Sometimes I'm able disconnect in the new place from the old network, then connect to the new network in the new place.
[23:35] <RedPenguin> soupeee: did you see the login page?
[23:35] <RedPenguin> or accept page I guess
[23:35] <RedPenguin> I know your Internet is "disabled" until you hit accept
[23:36] <synthmesc> is there a way to load a debug kernel that saves logs when problems occur?
[23:37] <synthmesc> example: OS hangs after kernel loads, not sure why, some other process is messed up
[23:39] <iceroot> synthmesc: http://linux.die.net/man/8/netdump  for example
[23:40] <aluno> asfd
[23:40] <aluno> asfkljsa
[23:40] <aluno_> asdasd
[23:40] <aluno> ei doido
[23:40] <aluno> soooooooo
[23:40] <aluno_> disz malucco
[23:41] <aluno> mais oia
[23:41] <synthmesc> iceroot: the kernel loads fine, its some other process that is hanging it up, occurs randomly
[23:41] <aluno_> mar hoia
[23:41] <iceroot> synthmesc: ah ok, thought the kernel itself is the problem
[23:41] <synthmesc> nah
[23:41] <synthmesc> I believe it could be some disk utility or something, but I have no idea really, just a blinking underscore
[23:42] <synthmesc> I'd like to blame X11, but it isn't that
[23:42] <iceroot> synthmesc: sure it isnt x?
[23:42] <iceroot> synthmesc: can you switch to tty1?
[23:42] <synthmesc> and I can't ssh in, because nothing is running
[23:42] <synthmesc> nope
[23:42] <iceroot> synthmesc: hm
[23:42] <synthmesc> can't switch
[23:42] <synthmesc> the keyboard is dead, capslock doesnt turn on the lights, etc.
[23:43] <synthmesc> I could root cause it if I knew how to log all events somehow
[23:43] <aluno> alguem do brasil?
[23:43] <dem0n> hello everyone, i am running ubuntu as my guest os using vmware player and i wanted to setup a vnc server on ubuntu, so i installed tightvnc. Okay so i set a pass and ran the server which is running on port 5901. So i loaded my mini pc my mk802 which is on the same wifi network as my ubuntu box, and i pointed the android vnc server at my private ip address <IP_ADDRESS> at port 5901 and android vnc just gets stuck at the vnc handshake, does anyone have any ide
[23:43] <soupeee> RedPenguin: what is login page? I guess not.
[23:44] <synthmesc> dem0n: thats a lot to read
[23:44] <ahmad_> hi everyone
[23:44] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: try to using realVNC view
[23:44] <Fishscene> dem0n: Is that the IP address of your ubuntu VM, or the physical computer?
[23:46] <dem0n> Fishscene: that is the ip address of my ubuntu virtual machine, shoudl i being using the ip address of the physical computer?
[23:47] <josy1982_> nice irc no help nothing thank you very much
[23:47] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: make sure your able to communicate with the vm, maybe double check or bridge the connection. Then use realVNC viewer connect (ip:port)
[23:47] <dem0n> for my machine i am using windows 7 as my host operating system and ubuntu and my guest os
[23:47] <BusyBoxes> dem0n: ping <IP_ADDRESS> in command.com please
[23:48] <Fishscene> dem0n: As BusyBoxes said, make sure your VM network connection is set to bridged mode and not "shared" or "NAT".
[23:49] <dem0n> let me check to make sure i am in bridged mode
[23:50] <compdoc> dem0n, just need to know the ip address of the vm
[23:50] <RedPenguin> soupeee: every time I go to McDonalds it has a page load that is like "Do you accept terms":
[23:50] <RedPenguin> but it turns out my static IP was not Ubuntu's fault
[23:51] <RedPenguin> the Linksys Router appearntly because an old PC used to be static assigned the IP and is no longer on, you had to remove the static assigment for the router to allow this PC to use the same iP
[23:51] <rhagu> hi, how can I check if ubuntu has appropriate driver for a specific device?
[23:51] <BusyBoxes> RedPenguin: hurrr. you sure there's not a lease duration?
[23:52] <soupeee> RedPenguin: my netbook immediately connects, then disconnects. The gui sez: no wireless networks found, but you can see from the log it finds them.
[23:52] <BusyBoxes> Soupeee: Deauthentication broadcasts?
[23:53] <h6w> Hi.  How do I report an ubuntu bug now?   Clicking on "report a bug" on launchpad keeps sending me to a "Bug reporting etiquette" page on ubuntu.com
[23:55] <PatrickDickey> h6w is this the page you get sent to? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs If so, the steps are near the bottom.
[23:55] <trism> h6w: ubuntu-bug package_name; or read the bug reporting page to see other options
[23:56] <h6w> trism: Yeah.  This is an upgrading bug, tho.  So what package would that be?
[23:57] <PatrickDickey> h6w, if it has a window that you can open, use ubuntu-bug -w and pick that window.
[23:58] <PatrickDickey> Also, h6w, do you mean that it's a bug that happens while you're in the upgrade?
[23:58] <reuf> how can i list all of my global vars in bash?
[23:59] <jrib> reuf: maybe you are looking for « env »?
[23:59] <PatrickDickey> reuf printenv


[05:01] <MTecknology> What is a sprint?
[05:04] <nhandler> MTecknology: The only place I've really seen sprints used on LP is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sprints, where they are used primarily for UDS (and a few other Ubuntu conferences)
[05:06] <MTecknology> nhandler: oh, thanks
[05:46] <MTecknology> Isn't it possible to link a blueprint to a blueprint in another project?
[05:46] <MTecknology> I have one project that depends on another..
[05:47] <MTecknology> found a bug for it
[08:18] <jtv>  https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: jtv | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Open Sourcing: https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing
[08:19] <LCID_Fire> Morning
[08:20] <jtv> LCID_Fire: morning
[08:20] <LCID_Fire> How does one remove all the source packages uploaded to a certain ppa?
[08:20] <LCID_Fire> I found I can only remove the latest one
[08:22] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: isn't that because the others have been superseded?
[08:22] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: sure - but if I delete the latest one - the one before should become the latest
[08:24] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: ah I see... Although it *should*, I don't think it does become 'unsuperseded', but I'm not certain.
[08:24] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: That's exactly my problem
[08:25] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: the way it currently "works" you cannot get rid of all the versions
[08:25] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: I don't understand why you need to get rid of them - if they are superseded they should not be installable via your PPA right?
[08:26] <noodles775> (sorry if I'm missing something obvious!)
[08:26] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: I was testing some setup stuff and I have now the definite package - the others are more or less garbage
[08:28] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: Sure, but hopefully it's just garbage that has all been superseded by your new version - the definite package - that you upload?
[08:28] <noodles775> Or were you wanting to re-use the same version number...
[08:28] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: yeah - but it needs space - and I like my stuff tidy :)
[08:32] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: Ah ok. Hmm...
[08:35] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: What do you mean "it needs space"?
[08:35] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: OK, as far as I can see, when visiting the delete packages page, and filtering by status=Superseded, the superseded packages are not displayed...
[08:36] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: It increases the disk usage of my ppa
[08:36] <noodles775> Not sure if that's a UI bug (that superseded is an option) or a functionality bug (that they're not displayed)
[08:36] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: No, it doesn't.
[08:36] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Superseded packages will be removed from your PPA after 24 hours, at which point they will no longer count toward your quota.
[08:36] <wgrant> You can get rid of them within an hour by deleting them explicitly.
[08:37] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: I can't - that's my problem
[08:37] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Why not?
[08:37] <wgrant> And why not just wait?
[08:37] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: are you sure about the 24 hourse?
[08:37] <LCID_Fire> -e
[08:38] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: It's something around that figure.
[08:38] <jml> james_w, ping
[08:38] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: ok, I'll then try waiting - but it would be better if ordinary deleting the package would work
[08:39] <jtv> LCID_Fire, wgrant: I'm asking someone to check.
[08:40] <LCID_Fire> jtv: great :)
[08:40] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: You can do an explicit delete, can't you?
[08:40] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: only the latest - then no more
[08:41] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Checked the filter?
[08:41] <LCID_Fire> yep
[08:41] <wgrant> I know it used to work. Let me try again now.
[08:42] <cprov1> LCID_Fire: give some directions, what you are trying to do ?
[08:42] <cprov1> and why ?
[08:42] <wgrant> Huh.
[08:42] <wgrant> The deleted packages page doesn't show Superseded sources.
[08:42] <wgrant> But it does show Deleted.
[08:43] <LCID_Fire> cprov1: I'm trying to delete some test source packages in my ppa - to start with the definite package
[08:43] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: it's somewhat strange, yes :)
[08:43] <cprov1> wgrant: +delete-packages only shows publishing records which still having files on disk.
[08:43] <wgrant> cprov1: I know.
[08:44] <wgrant> cprov1: But these do.
[08:44] <wgrant> But they're not shown.
[08:44] <cprov1> wgrant: otherwise no point in "deleting"
[08:44] <wgrant> They've had removal requested, but they haven't actually been killed yet.
[08:45] <cprov> wgrant: what source/ppa ? let me check.
[08:45] <wgrant> cprov: wgrant/ppa, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[08:46] <wgrant> I uploaded a new one about an hour ago.
[08:48] <cprov> wgrant: right, the 2 latest superseded version have their removal scheduled, however they should be also presented in +deleted-packages (which I can't see)
[08:48] <cprov> wgrant: but you say they are not, right ?
[08:49] <wgrant> cprov: Correct.
[08:50] <wgrant> I can see Hardy's Deleted libhdf4 - 4.2r3-3~wgrant1~8.04 there, but it is published in other series, so won't have a requested removal date.
[08:56] <cprov> wgrant: there is probably an inconsistent clause on the 'deletable-packages' lookup
[08:56] <wgrant> cprov: I would check myself, if it were a month from today, but...
[08:57] <cprov> wgrant: it use to be 'Pending/Publishing sources or sources with PublishedBinaries'
[08:57] <cprov> wgrant: then the extra source publishing status filter was added on top of that.
[08:58] <noodles775> cprov: you can verify it on the soyuz team ppa... (filter by superseded on the main ppa page and you'll see them, but not on the delete-packages page)
[08:58] <cprov> noodles775: I can also read the code :)
[08:59] <noodles775> cprov: actually, not true... I forgot that those superseded packages have been deleted :)
[08:59] <noodles775> yes, that too.
[08:59] <cprov> noodles775: take a look, please, maybe I'm imagining things.
[09:00] <cprov> wgrant, LCID_Fire: please file a bug about it, once the release time is gone I will be more than happy to tackle it.
[09:00] <jml> james_w, actually, I think I'm going to sign off. I commented on the setBranch() bug 387554, and changed the state of one of the package branches. Please double check that I didn't do anything stupid.
[09:04] <MTecknology> I requested feedback from somebody on a blueprint and they sent me feedback but now their feedback request is gone and I see nothing about what they wrote..
[09:10] <jtv> MTecknology: looking for someone who can answer that.
[09:12] <MTecknology> jtv: thanks
[09:12] <jtv> MTecknology: hmm... looks like all good candidates are in American timezones.  Would it be convenient for you to wait until they wake up?
[09:13] <MTecknology> lol... I'm in -6 :P
[09:13] <MTecknology> those crazy people that sleep
[09:13] <jtv> MTecknology: greetings from +7 :)
[09:13] <MTecknology> ya, I can ask again when I wake up :)
[09:14] <jtv> MTecknology: thanks.
[09:14] <MTecknology> :)
[09:14] <MTecknology> I'm sure it's supposed to happen, just curious why :P
[09:14] <MTecknology> found an LP but too
[09:16] <MTecknology> that's two lp bugs found. Hurray for my ability to spot the near meaningless
[10:44] <ogra> is there an easy way to rename a project noawadays ? i cant find a button or anything to do that ...
[10:44] <ogra> (or do i have to file a ticket/question/bug or something)
[10:45] <jtv> ogra: you file a question.
[10:46] <jtv> ogra: I think... lemme check.
[10:46] <jtv> (This is not something I do regularly :)
[10:46] <jtv> ogra: you don't mean any of the stuff you can change under "Change details" on the project's front page?
[10:47] <ogra> jtv, no, i mean the project url
[10:48] <ogra> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder/+question/74975
[10:49] <jtv> ogra: I'll move that question over to launchpad itself, hang on.
[10:49] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[10:50] <jtv> ogra: no worries, I'll ask someone to do it.
[10:50] <ogra> thanks a lot ... again :)
[10:50] <jtv> np
[15:12] <bac> hi jtv.  are you CHR today?
[15:12] <jtv> bac: just closed shop.
[15:12] <bac> or have you already done it?
[15:12] <bac> ah, cool
[15:12] <jtv> bac: anything urgent?
[15:12]  * bac never can figure out your hours...
[15:12] <bac> jtv:  nope
[15:12] <jtv> bac: always nice to hear that.  :-)  Just composing handover email.
[15:35] <kgoetz> hi all. How do I unmark a bug as a duplicate?
[15:35] <beuno> kgoetz, just remove the number from the form and save
[15:36] <kgoetz> "the form"?
[15:36] <beuno> kgoetz, "mark bug as duplicate"
[15:37] <kgoetz> oooh, the yellow thing
[15:38] <kgoetz> didnt know that opened a form.
[15:38] <kgoetz> beuno, thanks!
[15:43] <kgoetz> probably a silly question, but: can I download a list of bugs (including comments) for a particular package?
[15:44] <kgoetz> (ala 'mbox folder' in the debian bts)
[15:47] <beuno> kgoetz, not currently, no
[15:47] <beuno> but there has been discussions on being able to do that with bzr at some point
[15:47] <kgoetz> ok. gess i'll have to make a list manually
[15:47] <kgoetz> thanks again
[15:48] <beuno> kgoetz, you could use the API to get them
[15:48] <beuno> iterate over the list and save into whatever format you'd like
[15:48] <kgoetz> beuno, unfortunately I'm not a useful coder - its still very much a todo item.
[15:48] <beuno> kgoetz, ah, I see
[15:49] <beuno> well, hopefully someone will write something like that soon, and it'll just be a script
[15:50] <kgoetz> beuno, indeed. i assume theres a page on LP with the API documented?
[15:51] <beuno> kgoetz, yeap: https://help.launchpad.net/API/
[15:52] <kgoetz> beuno, thanks. I'll see if I can con someone into it ;)
[15:52] <beuno> kgoetz, good luck!
[15:52] <kgoetz> ta :)
[16:19] <kgoetz> sigh. launchpad really is a product of the 'net. even the [api]docos all html :(
[16:20] <\sh> leonardr: re: bug #387297 if you find a sane solution, just ping me or thekorn so we don't reinvent the wheel again ;)
[16:21] <leonardr> \sh: i'm working on it today
[16:21] <\sh> leonardr: rocking :) thx :)
[16:21] <leonardr> there is no sane solution but hopefully we can give you some code to use
[16:22] <\sh> leonardr: that would be great :) my python snippet is just meant to be a workaround for ui clients ...
[19:59] <MTecknology> I requested feedback from somebody on a blueprint and they sent me feedback but now their feedback request is gone and I see nothing about what they wrote..
[20:25] <eagle00789> it has been more then 72 hours but my .pot file for translation still hasn't been approved. when can i expect to get it approved...
[20:44] <eagle00789> in about an hour it has been 96 hours that i'm waiting for my translation template to get approved....
[20:45] <beuno> eagle00789, I'm sorry about that
[20:45] <beuno> it's release week, so it's kind of hectic
[20:46] <beuno> did you request that on Friday?
[20:46] <eagle00789> thursday
[20:46] <MTecknology> beuno: you have any idea what's up w/ the blueprints?
[20:46] <eagle00789> nope
[20:47] <eagle00789> sorry, wrong channel for the last coment
[20:47] <beuno> MTecknology, about what exactly?
[20:47] <MTecknology> I requested feedback from somebody on a blueprint and they sent me feedback but now their feedback request is gone and I see nothing about what they wrote..
[20:48] <beuno> MTecknology, that is not expected at all
[20:49] <eagle00789> beuno: i requested that on Thursday the 18th
[20:49] <beuno> eagle00789, I'll try and get someone to look at it tomorrow
[20:50] <eagle00789> darned...
[20:50] <beuno> eagle00789, they've all left by now
[20:51] <beuno> they're all in European time zones
[20:51] <eagle00789> double darned... another day my project has to ait
[20:51] <eagle00789> ait=wait
[20:51] <beuno> kfogel, are you around?
[20:52] <beuno> can we do something about translations being so clogged?
[20:52] <LaPingvino> it's just getting night here in europe...
[20:53] <beuno> LaPingvino, right, developers do work hours
[20:53] <beuno> so they left about 3-4 hours ago
[20:53] <LaPingvino> ah like that
[20:53] <LaPingvino> :(
[20:53] <kfogel> beuno: yes
[20:54] <LaPingvino> well I'm not one of them
[20:54] <kfogel> beuno: translations clogged?
[20:54] <LaPingvino> I'm an ICT-student
[20:54] <LaPingvino> and polyglot
[20:54] <LaPingvino> from the netherlands
[20:54] <eagle00789> polyglot?? what is that if i may ask??
[20:55] <eagle00789> (p.s. i'm also from the netherlands :D )
[20:55] <beuno> kfogel, yes, it's very frequent for translations to be stuck for approval 3-4 days
[20:55] <beuno> or more
[20:55] <LaPingvino> a polyglot is someone speaking more languages... most people use it on the scale bilingual-trilingual-polygloy
[20:55] <LaPingvino> polyglot
[20:56] <LaPingvino> any notable polyglot goes over 5 languages...
[20:56] <LaPingvino> I'm at 9
[20:56] <eagle00789> LOL. WOW
[20:56] <eagle00789> i'll take my hat off for that LaPingvino
[20:57] <kfogel> beuno: are we solely responsible for approving those, or is it "the community"?
[20:57] <LaPingvino> it's not that hard
[20:57] <beuno> kfogel, AFAIK, us
[20:59] <kfogel> beuno: oh.  That's kind of surprising.  So "us" is who specifically?  (That is, where do the translation approval requests go?  Apparently not to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:59] <beuno> kfogel, it's translation people, maybe we all have permissions, but no real idea what the criteria to approve is
[21:00] <MTecknology> beuno: there's also no email being generated from blueprints.. I remember when I was working with them last that every little thing was a new email message
[21:00] <eagle00789> LaPingvino: if you say it's not hard, i believe you. i'm only tri-lingual.
[21:00] <LaPingvino> hehe :)
[21:00] <LaPingvino> NL, EN, DE?
[21:00] <kfogel> beuno: yeah, this doesn't seem scalable at first glance... Okay.  How did you see the queue?  I'd like to look at it before raising a thread.
[21:00] <eagle00789> yep
[21:00] <eagle00789> but that also has to do because i live near the tri-border :D
[21:01] <beuno> kfogel, we get people complaining here about it several times a week
[21:01] <eagle00789> i also know a little bit of french
[21:01] <eagle00789> but not enough to get people to understand what i say :P
[21:01] <LaPingvino> hehe :)
[21:02] <LaPingvino> je le parle un peu plus que un nivel de seul comprehension...
[21:02] <LaPingvino> mais aussi pire que je voulais...
[21:02] <kfogel> beuno: IOW, there's no visible queue, but we know from complaints what the lag is?
[21:03] <eagle00789> alors que c'est drôle
[21:03] <eagle00789> but lets keep it to english shall we :D
[21:03] <LaPingvino> sure :)
[21:04] <LaPingvino> last gains are spanish and portuguese, guess you can't make a lot out of them....
[21:04] <eagle00789> indeed not
[21:04] <beuno> kfogel, I know that it's normal for people to wait 3-4 working days
[21:04] <LaPingvino> and verbs are even harder than in french
[21:05] <LaPingvino> in french, 25 forms estimately...
[21:05] <LaPingvino> in spanish 50
[21:05] <eagle00789> LOL. way to much
[21:05] <LaPingvino> in portuguese 64
[21:05] <beuno> LaPingvino, eagle00789, could we reduce the off topic?
[21:05] <LaPingvino> sorry :(
[21:05] <beuno> it's hard to get things fixed  :)
[21:05] <eagle00789> sorry
[21:05] <beuno> no worries
[21:05] <kfogel> beuno: I understand.  The issue isn't believing you -- I definitely believe you.  I just want to know what automated sources of information are available.  If it's all anecdotal, that's fine too; just want to have as much info in hand before posting as I can.
[21:05] <beuno> kfogel, I don't know if we store that information
[21:06] <beuno> danilo should
[21:06] <beuno> (my guess is we don't)
[21:06] <LaPingvino> well it's about translation that problem? I'm administrating a translation team
[21:06] <LaPingvino> I don't get it completely...
[21:06] <beuno> LaPingvino, it's a techinical issue, really
[21:07] <eagle00789> just so i know, why aren't the translations approved automaticly
[21:08] <beuno> eagle00789, there's a reason, which I can never retain
[21:08] <eagle00789> lol
[21:08] <beuno> something about bad things happening in chain
[21:08] <beuno> in certain circumstances
[21:08] <eagle00789> ok
[21:23] <kfogel> beuno: okay, thanks.  Will raise this; hopefully we can get a scaleable solution.
[21:23] <beuno> kfogel, you rock
[21:23] <beuno> thanks
[22:07] <Ampelbein> hi there. just encountered an OOPS (OOPS-1269EB1194), trying to access https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+related-software
[22:09] <beuno> Ampelbein, looking into it
[22:10] <beuno> Ampelbein, it's a timeout
[22:10] <beuno> would you like to file a bug with that OOPS id?
[22:11] <Ampelbein> beuno: i can do that. should it go directly to /launchpad? or another component?
[22:11] <Ampelbein> beuno: fwiw: it works now, after retrying.
[22:12] <beuno> Ampelbein, if it works, then don't bother, we record these timeouts
[22:12] <Ampelbein> beuno: ok, thanks for your help.
[22:52] <nunod> hi everyone
[22:53] <nunod> i've been trying to add an email address to my account since morning, but i never receive the confirmation email which i'm supposed to
[22:54] <MTecknology> nunod: I've been noticing a lack of email too. My case is on blueprints. You on edge?
[22:54] <nunod> yep
[22:57] <eagle00789> when i go to https://edge.launchpad.net/~info-decomputeur and edit my location, it ALWAYS jumps back to the same location... somewhere in russia (atleast as far as i can see)
[22:57] <beuno> sinzui, ^
[22:57] <MTecknology> beuno: any idea what's up w/ email?
[22:58] <nunod> eagle00789: same happening with me
[22:58] <eagle00789> then it's a bug
[22:58] <beuno> MTecknology, no, please file a bug with specifics
[22:58] <sinzui> MTecknology: There are are tremendous number of bugs regarding notifications and blueprints. The summary of it all is that blueprints was not initially designed to send notification, and it will not until the community can work on it
[22:59] <nunod> so I can't change my email? :/
[23:00] <MTecknology> sinzui: good enough answer for me.  Yahoo seems to be adept at losing email
[23:05] <nunod> no
[23:05] <nunod> i just got the confirmation now, without edge
[23:05] <sinzui> interesting
[23:05] <oojah> Oooh, lots of new lp shininess.
[23:06] <eagle00789> i reported a Affects me 2 for my bug:D
[23:07] <MTecknology> sinzui: I've never used the feedback in blueprints before. If they have feedback requested, shouldn't they be able to add their feedback and have it displayed? Or is it something that's meant to be done viw personal messages and request just removed?
[23:08] <sinzui> eagle00789: can you note your real location, and browser version too.
[23:08] <MTecknology> sinzui: the latter seems to be the case..
[23:08] <eagle00789> browser version already noted....
[23:08] <MTecknology> nunod: you might want to file a bug for it
[23:08] <eagle00789> was looking into this issue using IE instead of FF
[23:08] <MTecknology> eagle00789: well, then of course. Use a broken browser and every site is broken :P
[23:09] <sinzui> MTecknology: it is meant that you walk over to the guy at the sprint you are attending and tell him It's now his problem. I would use Contact this user to tell the person, or ping him on IRC
[23:09] <eagle00789> i reported this issue when i used ff. i was looking if the bug was the same using IE
[23:09] <sinzui> MTecknology: blueprints are based on a the behaviour at sprints, it has not been adapted yet to virtual life.
[23:10] <eagle00789> on ie6 it is even worse. it doens't even show the google map :D
[23:10] <MTecknology> sinzui: ok, that clears things up a lot, thanks
[23:10] <MTecknology> my life is almost strictly virtual
[23:11] <beuno> sinzui, your changes to the series page turned out to be very useful: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic
[23:11] <sinzui> 80% of the users of sprints need a workflow suited to the virtual life. Most of the blueprints bugs deal with this theme
[23:12] <sinzui> beuno: My manifesto on on triage pointed out that trivial has such a high value that they must be treated high...My team have less than 5 trivial bugs left
[23:13] <sinzui> beuno: I think my argument would have been more successful If I thought of the paper ananology
[23:14] <sinzui> I have got to move that display onto the milestone and release page, and ad totals so I can keep score of how many are fixed
[23:14] <eagle00789> i added the correct location for me to the bugreport
[23:14] <sinzui> eagle00789: thank you very much
[23:14] <eagle00789> no problem....
[23:16] <eagle00789> i understand how important complete bug reports are since i'm a developer myself wich gets even more difficult problems like: Access violation at address 004B5987 in module 'tbu.exe'. Read of address 00000000
[23:16] <eagle00789> happy bughuntig for these errors :P
[23:18] <eagle00789> and the fun thing is, i recently released a new version of my program with a more friendlyer reporting of errors to me, but i haven't received anny bug-reports for that version yet.
[23:43] <wgrant> beuno: Do you still have outstanding sprite-fixing branches (including any not on edge)? There are still lots of issues that I wonder if I should file now, or wait until the edge rollout today.
[23:44] <ajmitch> wgrant: by sprite-fixing, you mean all the misaligned icons?
[23:44] <wgrant> ajmitch: Yes.
[23:45] <nhandler> Good. I've been holding off on those bugs as well
[23:45] <ajmitch> ok, glad it's not just me & greasemonkey
[23:45] <beuno> wgrant, there are *tons* of bugs I fixed that haven't landed
[23:45] <ajmitch> which is why I hadn't filed bugs, looks like at least one of us should have :)
[23:46] <wgrant> beuno: They won't land in the next few hours?
[23:47] <beuno> wgrant, they've had to revert edge
[23:47] <beuno> wgrant, most of them are on dogfood though
[23:48] <wgrant> Ahh.
[23:50] <wgrant> Unfortunately dogfood is uselessly slow, even moreso than usual.
[23:50] <beuno> argh
[23:50] <MTecknology> what % of lp bugs reported are edge specific?
[23:51] <beuno> arch, yeah
[23:51] <wgrant> Rollout is Wednesday, isn't it?
[23:53] <wgrant> Aha, I got a non-timeout!
[23:54] <wgrant> beuno: Your fixes for the project/team icons on Person:+index have clobbered custom project icons, and custom team icons are just not there.
[23:55] <beuno> wgrant, right. But it's fixes here  :)
[23:55] <wgrant> beuno: Ah, good.
[23:55] <wgrant> Answer contacts are still borked...
[23:56] <beuno> wgrant, link?
[23:56] <wgrant> beuno: https://answers.dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu, second portlet.
[23:58] <beuno> wgrant, thanks. Will fix


[01:17] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (255): STILL FAILING in 3 hr 36 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/255/
[02:53] <LPCIBot> Project devel build (342): STILL FAILING in 3 hr 13 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/342/
[02:53] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=jelmer][ui=none][no-qa] Move distributionmirror prober logic into
[02:53] <LPCIBot> the module
[02:53] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=leonardr][ui=none][bug=385711][bug=398896] Fix
[02:53] <LPCIBot> ProjectGroup.products sort order and remove Author: comments.
[06:03] <LPCIBot> Project devel build (343): STILL FAILING in 3 hr 10 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/343/
[06:03] <LPCIBot> Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [r=edwin-grubbs][ui=none][bug=681326][incr] New class
[06:03] <LPCIBot> BugSubscriptionInfo which begins to encapsulate all
[06:03] <LPCIBot> subscription information about a bug.
[10:45] <lifeless> wgrant: hi
[10:46] <wgrant> lifeless: Morning.
[10:46] <lifeless> ...?
[10:47] <wgrant> Or evening.
[10:47] <wgrant> One of those two.
[10:47] <lifeless> yeah'
[13:33] <stas> merry x-mas everybody
[13:33] <stas> I have a problem with launchpad when updating a bug status
[13:33] <stas> http://is.gd/jqFSy
[13:34] <stas> can you help?


[22:33] <derpadmin> is it considered bad to take the irc #ubuntu log history and post it on my site?
[22:34] <derpadmin> just trying to make a very "active" website to be ranked a bit higher is searches
[22:36] <derpadmin> they are public anyway https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ and it is just for the bots to pickup, the links are not visible with a browser
[22:38] <JackFrost> That would seem to be in poor form, yes.


[02:05] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [08:39] <sil2100> jibel, Mirv: hey! Were we able to promote last week?
[08:40] <sil2100> Ah, I see we weren't
[08:40] <jibel> sil2100, Good morning, an image has been promoted on Friday
[08:41] <sil2100> jibel: oh! So silo 000 landed and the image has been re-tested?
[08:41] <jibel> sil2100, yes, we retested the delta + the changes in gst and system-settings
[08:42] <sil2100> \o/
[08:42] <sil2100> jibel: which images got promoted in the end?
[08:42] <jibel> sil2100, krillin 177
[08:43] <jibel> sil2100, there is a 178, not sure what is in this image. Maybe a custom tarball triggered it
[08:46] <sil2100> Let me check the commitlogs - I suppose we didn't sign-off the custom tarballs yet?
[08:47] <sil2100> Ok, it seems it got indeed triggered by some custom/device tarball upload
[08:47] <sil2100> Since there was no change to the rootfs
[08:55] <Mirv> sil2100: o/
[08:56] <Mirv> indeed the delta got tested
[08:56] <sil2100> Mirv: o/ When do you start your holidays?
[08:57] <Mirv> sil2100: only after friday
[09:08] <sil2100> jibel: I see from the irclogs that the new image is due to an english tarball push
[09:14] <sil2100> davmor2 would know more
[09:17] <sil2100> hm, the situation doesn't look too good for this week though
[09:19] <jibel> sil2100, why do you say that?
[09:20] <sil2100> jibel: I just checked the list of critical bugs that Olli mentioned 'need to be fixed by this milestone', and not even one of them has a fix for RTM relesed yet
[09:21] <sil2100> http://tinyurl.com/m8u3mvz
[09:21] <jibel> sil2100, ah right, I raised this point 3 weeks ago, fixes are too slow to land in RTM
[09:21] <sil2100> I checked them all, and most of them are in vivid already
[09:21] <sil2100> But not in rtm yet
[09:25] <Mirv> sil2100: that url doesn't work, since it obviously shows only open ones
[09:26] <sil2100> Mirv: how does it not work?
[09:26] <sil2100> Mirv: it should show 9 bugs
[09:27] <Mirv> sil2100: oh, maybe I'm wrong then. I just thought that if one of those would be fixed, it'd show 8 bugs and so on. where was the link originally?
[09:27] <sil2100> Mirv: it was given out by Olli on one of the meetings - in any way, it shows the most important bugs that we need to have fixed still
[09:28] <sil2100> And the truth is that still all of them at least need rtm landings
[09:28] <sil2100> By tomorrow EOD :/
[09:28] <Mirv> sil2100: so it looks like it was 16 originally, and now at 9
[09:31] <bzoltan_> Mirv: do you know if there was an adb related change recently? The SDK does not recognize my #60 vivid device, but does recognize the older one
[09:33] <Mirv> bzoltan_: I don't know, which doesn't mean there wouldn't have been
[09:33] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  Ok, I need to debug a bit to figure out more ...
[09:36] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  phew ... it does recognize it, but something has changed, so it does not recognize it as the same device ...
[10:09] <satoris> Hi, could someone please check why line #22 has not been assigned a silo yet? It has been hanging for several weeks now.
[10:12] <Mirv> satoris: it does say "Ping trainguards in #ubuntu-ci-eng to get a silo!", so whenever in doubt just ping trainguards (by using "trainguards" keyword preferably to get highlights)
[10:12] <Mirv> satoris: I don't see any reason why it couldn't be assigned, so assigning
[10:12] <Mirv> satoris: in other words, the spreadsheet usability is low enough that you can't just wait and assume a silo gets assigned
[10:14] <Mirv> satoris: it looks like is still conflicting with vivid-000, but I assigned a silo anyway. just make sure to rebuild in right order when landing/merging previous ones.
[10:14] <satoris> Ok, thanks. It's just that all my previous mrs have been assigned automatically.
[10:15] <sil2100> satoris: sorry about that, not sure why we missed this request
[10:15] <Mirv> often they do. sometimes if there's a conflict and a line does not immediately get a silo, it gets forgotten when new lines come below it.
[10:15] <satoris> The order is indifferent, really. That silo just adds a cli tool that is all new code.
[10:15] <Mirv> satoris: yes, the only thing that matters that the previous landing is merged to trunk before building the next one.
[10:15] <satoris> sil2100: that's all right. You have been quite busy recently from what I can tell. :)
[10:16] <Mirv> I think I tried assigning that line before, but like today it was also conflicting with another silo back then
[10:21] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can silo 10 be published, please?
[10:22] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sure, publishing!
[10:22] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[10:23] <sil2100> oSoMoN: done :) yw!
[10:38] <sil2100> jibel: did we have anyone yet getting promoted/demoted in the landing classes?
[10:39] <jibel> sil2100, the landing of url-dispatcher failed last week.
[10:39] <jibel> sil2100, the lander was bfiller IIRC
[10:39] <jibel> sil2100, you remember it was the big silo we wanted to split
[11:00] <sil2100> jibel: just in case, let's use this bug for tracking promotion progress: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-lt/+bug/1402601
[11:00] <sil2100> Mirv: ^
[11:25] <Mirv> sil2100: ok
[11:42] <greyback_> trainguards: can I get vivid silo 7 reconfigured, added gles twin
[11:42] <sil2100> greyback_: sure thing
[11:43] <sil2100> greyback_: done
[11:43] <sil2100> o/
[11:43] <greyback_> sil2100: many thanks!
[11:45] <Mirv> sil2100 is one day off and he's faster than lightning!
[11:46] <Mirv> think about his speed after Christmas + New Year
[11:47] <sil2100> !
[11:47] <sil2100> ;)
[11:54] <Mirv> satoris: please always get top-approvals for your landing MP:s, otherwise we can't publish. if your team doesn't require them, you can just set them yourself but we don't have a list of team practices.
[11:55] <Mirv> satoris: sorry that it's only noted at this late point, it's a bug in the process that the check only happens when publish is about to happen.
[11:56]  * sil2100 thinks this should be documented somewhere
[11:58] <Mirv> sil2100: added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
[11:59] <sil2100> Mirv: \o/ Thanks, I see it
[12:02] <Mirv> dbarth: your silo 002's branches are also lacking top-approvals so we can't publish it
[12:11] <satoris> Mirv: top approved now. Sorry for the trouble.
[12:16] <Mirv> satoris: thanks!
[12:23] <dbarth> Mirv: yes, i know sorry; but will need to check with alex before we land like this
[12:34] <sil2100> Off to lunch o/
[13:19] <greyback> Mirv: thanks for the top approve
[13:19] <greyback> "is in no known spacetime" ?
[13:21] <Mirv> greyback: it's always in no known spacetime until LP registers the upload :) if it persists, then it's a real problem.
[13:22] <greyback> Mirv: multi-dimensional package management, nice
[13:51] <sil2100> pstolowski: o/
[13:52] <sil2100> Ok, I see Timo is already taking care of this landing
[13:52]  * sil2100 just hopes people are reading the silo comments
[13:53] <Mirv> yes so both ricmm/rsalveti's and pstolowski's landings conflict with existing silo 009. you can build for testing but should wait for 009 to land + m&c before doing a real build.
[13:54] <pstolowski> Mirv, sil2100 ack, thanks
[14:05] <om26er> rsalveti, Hi!
[14:05] <om26er> rsalveti, I tested silo12 it does not fix the issue
[14:05] <rsalveti> om26er: hey
[14:05] <rsalveti> om26er: which issue?
[14:05] <om26er> rsalveti, bug 1376500
[14:06] <om26er> it brings that bug back.
[14:06] <rsalveti> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-camera/+bug/1398861 is supposed to be fixed by this silo as well
[14:07] <rsalveti> om26er: it was validated by jhodapp, me and victor
[14:07] <om26er> rsalveti, I tested that and this bug is not fixed with that silo
[14:07] <om26er> both of them it seems.
[14:07] <rsalveti> did you install both qtubuntu-camera and libthumbnailer?
[14:08] <rsalveti> it should behave exactly as before (from the gallery perspective)
[14:08] <om26er> rsalveti, do I have to install qtubuntu-camera package? I thought it was in the custom image
[14:08] <rsalveti> om26er: you have to install both packages that are available in that silo
[14:08] <rsalveti> + device tarball
[14:08] <om26er> oh damn
[14:08]  * rsalveti lunch
[14:38] <jhodapp> om26er, yeah let me know if you have other issues
[14:56] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, brendand: hey, did anyone of you observe LP: #1402694 during testing?
[14:57] <om26er> jhodapp rsalveti Hi! I installed the custom image, then installed the silo. The first time I start camera-app I got this: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/7486c254-846a-11e4-81cc-fa163e339c81
[14:57] <brendand> sil2100, no
[14:57] <jibel> sil2100, I saw Sam's email but didn't notice it myself during testing
[14:59] <om26er> looks very related to the new change.
[15:00] <rsalveti> om26er: hm, that looks like it's missing the device tarball changes
[15:00] <rsalveti>  => 0x0:?Cannot access memory at address 0x0
[15:00] <sil2100> I wouldn't block promotion on this issue though, but it would be nice to see if that's reproducible and get it fixed in the nearest time though
[15:00] <rsalveti> om26er: did you flash with --device-tarball?
[15:01] <cwayne_> rvr, thanks for the bugs btw, so is testing completed? (i.e. can I start requesting to push the magic buttons) (sorry if im repeating this, my irc client's been a bit weird so not sure it ever sent)
[15:01] <om26er> rsalveti, Yes I did here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9529413/
[15:01] <rvr> davmor2: Did you check the location problem?
[15:02] <rsalveti> om26er: that's the wrong device tarball
[15:02] <rsalveti> To be flashed with device tarball http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20141209-0145438.tar.xz (ubuntu-device-flash --device-tarball=<tarball> --device=krillin)
[15:02] <rsalveti> om26er: from the spreadsheet
[15:02] <rvr> cwayne_: I will open a new bug for untranslated strings in the Scopes. Apart from the crashes, and the cosmetic issues, haven't seen anything critical so far.
[15:02] <davmor2> rvr: what location problem? It works here
[15:02] <rvr> davmor2: #1395767 'Today' crashes with no location <https://bugs.launchpad.net/hanloon/+bug/1395767>
[15:02] <rvr> Argh
[15:03] <davmor2> rvr: mine has location I guess I can disable it and see what happens but it works fine here
[15:03] <rvr> This is not the bug you are searching for
[15:03] <om26er> rsalveti, oh boy :O i think I lost the tarball somewhere. will download again.
[15:03] <davmor2> rvr: private bug
[15:03] <rvr> This is not the bug you are searching for
[15:03]  * rvr does it Jedi style
[15:04] <cwayne_> rvr, that bug should be fixed with this release btw
[15:07] <davmor2> cwayne_: rvr is testing on es though so it might be present there still
[15:12] <davmor2> cwayne_, rvr: I don't have that issue even with location turned off so I wonder if it is one of the Spanish only scopes crashing it?
[15:16] <rvr> davmor2: Go to System Settings > Security and Privacy > Location. Select "Not at all". Reboot the phone. Go to System Settings > Security and Privacy > Location, which option is active?
[15:23] <davmor2> rvr: using gps only okay that is wierd
[15:24] <rvr> lool: ping
[15:25] <cwayne_> davmor2, right, but it's still in this release
[15:25] <cwayne_> rvr, you're testing on 14.09.es-proposed-customized right?
[15:25] <rvr> cwayne_: Right
[15:25] <cwayne_> ok
[15:28] <lool> rvr: pong
[15:29] <rvr> lool: When Location is set to "Not at all" and the phone is rebooted, the selected option is "GPS only". Is that an expected behavior?
[15:29] <lool> rvr: I'm not sure we've landed the settings support for location yet
[15:29] <lool> rvr: mind pinging tvoss about that when he comes back up?
[15:30] <lool> he had some in progress branches a couple weeks ago, then I flew to cape town and didn't follow whether they had all landed
[15:30] <rvr> lool: ok
[15:36] <rvr> cwayne_: davmor2: Ok, so according to tvoss, location is not being disabled right now.
[15:37] <rvr> I tested, and got no crash in Today scope without network and wifi, though.
[15:52] <nerochiaro> plars: hi, me and om26er were wondering why https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/photo-editor/+merge/242696 is failing. seems like an infrastructure issue
[15:56] <plars> nerochiaro: are you talking about the one that's running right now on it?
[15:57] <nerochiaro> plars: i am talking about the one that failed before
[15:57] <nerochiaro> plars: but if you think the infrastructure has been fixed i'll wait for this one to complete
[16:00] <plars> nerochiaro: well, it's getting past  camera-app-vivid-amd64-ci
[16:00] <plars> camera-app-vivid-amd64-ci with success now, but it looks like there's a failure on the otto bits in the new one, so at the very least it appears to be failing for different reasons
[16:00] <plars> nerochiaro: it looks like it should be done soon I think though, so it may be worth taking a look when it completes
[16:00] <nerochiaro> plars: ok, thanks
[16:01] <plars> nerochiaro: but please do ping me with the details if you see some similarities
[16:01] <nerochiaro> plars: will do, and will keep this channel auto joined so i don't forget
[16:02] <pstolowski> sil2100, hey
[16:03] <pstolowski> sil2100, ive just realized i set wrong target for row #53, should be rtm. sorry about that
[16:03] <sil2100> pstolowski: ah, ok, let me free it up and reassign
[16:03] <sil2100> pstolowski: I actually wanted to poke you about 'hey, will some of those fixes land in rtm?' ;)
[16:04] <pstolowski> :)
[16:05] <pmcgowan> sil2100, what is in image 178? it doesnt seem to show a commitlog
[16:05] <sil2100> pstolowski: I'll assign the silo for you, but I see Saviq already has -api locked up in his silo 007 - in the comments he mentions to ignore conflicts with -shell, but no mention of -apii
[16:06] <sil2100> pmcgowan: yeah, this one has a new custom tarball only
[16:06] <sil2100> pmcgowan: no new rootfs, so no commitlog got generated
[16:06] <pmcgowan> sil2100, gotcha thanks
[16:06] <sil2100> pstolowski: anyway, I'll assign it to you and mention it to Saviq (and in the comments)
[16:06] <pstolowski> sil2100, right. ok, i'll wait with my silo
[16:07] <pstolowski> sil2100, silo 07 takes precedence
[16:07] <sil2100> pstolowski: make sure to coordinate, since probably Saviq's silo will wait longer or something
[16:07] <sil2100> Oh, ok
[16:07] <sil2100> Saviq: ^
[16:07] <sil2100> (I assigned it already, so you can build and test preliminary if anything)
[16:07] <sil2100> Or just wait for Saviq's silo to land
[16:07] <pstolowski> ok thanks
[16:11] <davmor2> sil2100: nope but it doesn't work for his sites I wonder if they have mobile layouts?
[16:20] <davmor2> cwayne_: rvr is happy with Spanish and I am happy with the english delta too I'm assuming it will be okay to hit the button but talk to sil2100 first
[16:25] <sil2100> davmor2: ok, let's get it in then, we're not waiting on anything specific right now
[16:25] <sil2100> davmor2: it can land as it is right? No silo requirements?
[16:25] <sil2100> cwayne_: ^ ?
[16:26] <davmor2> sil2100: no no silos required standard custom tarball rules
[16:26]  * cwayne just realized he'd left this channel by accident
[16:27] <sil2100> Saviq: do we have anything right now for bug LP: #1381292 for rtm?
[16:27] <sil2100> cwayne: oh ;)
[16:27] <sil2100> cwayne: anyway, since rvr and davmor2 gave a +1, you're free to publish both en an es tarballs
[16:27] <cwayne> \o/
[16:27] <cwayne> doing so now
[16:27] <sil2100> Thanks for submitting :)
[16:28] <cwayne> np, thanks for testing rvr davmor2 :D
[16:28] <davmor2> cwayne: D'oh
[16:28] <davmor2> cwayne: fancy leaving this channel you muppet
[16:28] <cwayne> davmor2: ?
[16:28] <cwayne> ha
[16:28] <cwayne> ok tarballs pushed
[16:29] <rvr> cwayne: We need to work a little bit on scope translation in next releases. The number of untranslated strings are piling up.
[16:30] <rvr> cwayne: I will send you a translation "wishlist" :)
[16:31] <davmor2> rvr: send a cattle prod as well for motivation
[16:31] <cwayne> rvr: please do, we're going to send out another translation job soon as well
[16:37] <sil2100> pmcgowan: I'm a bit worried we won't be able to get all the critical top-blocking bugs fixed in time for this milestone
[16:37] <sil2100> Considering many people are on holidays this week already
[16:41] <pmcgowan> sil2100, let me get an explicit update on the open crits
[16:47] <sil2100> davmor2: will you be doing mostly silo testing for rtm this week?
[16:48] <davmor2> sil2100: no I will be filling in where needed, Just ran the delta test for the image and a vivid mako test
[16:48] <sil2100> davmor2: since there's an update on bug LP: #1398961
[16:48] <sil2100> davmor2: maybe then jhodapp would have more info for this bug (in case we want a vivid promotion next year)
[16:48] <davmor2> sil2100: yeap it's on my to do list so it's not forgotten
[16:49] <davmor2> I'll probably do it latter today or tomorrow morning
[16:50] <sil2100> Thanks
[16:51] <Mirv> hmm, the evening meeting is a good indicator I should be off
[16:51] <plars> sil2100: not sure why, but it looks like the sdk tests failed on vivid 55 on mako, retrying them now
[16:54] <davmor2> Mirv: no you are the new ogra_ as he is sciving off so you have to be online 24 and a half hours a day just in case did you not read the small print?
[16:54] <sil2100> Mirv: indeed ;) See you tomorrow!
[16:54] <Mirv> davmor2: oh, that small print! :)
[16:55]  * Mirv is hacking at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-005/+packages
[16:55] <Mirv> sil2100: yeah, see you tomorrow!
[16:55] <davmor2> Mirv: catch you tomorrow
[16:55]  * sil2100 doesn't like it red in the PPAs
[16:57] <davmor2> sil2100: if you close your eyes really tight then you can't see the red
[16:59] <bzoltan_> plars: I have experienced very ugly reboot cycles during my test plan execution recently ... the messaging app autopilot packages pull strange dependencies from the vivid archive
[17:01] <plars> bzoltan_: I don't have any control over what dependencies are brought in by messaging-app-autopilot, you'll want to take that up with the messaging-app devs
[17:10] <rvr> thostr_: Any update on silo 8? I read your comment that it needed input from design.
[17:11] <sil2100> robru: how's the charm going? ;)
[17:11] <sil2100> Do we have the ability to redeploy ci train with the magic of IS with a one-line-command?
[17:12] <robru> sil2100: not bad actually, I've got it to the point that I can deploy it locally in lxc and the prepare job works on the first try. currently the issue I'm working on is that the build job fails because cowbuilder creation fails due to some security restriction inside the lxc, so I'm looking how to work around that.
[17:12] <robru> sil2100: in terms of production deployment, I have an MP submitted to IS for review, they reviewed it, and now cprov disagrees with the review so there's some contention there...
[17:14] <robru> sil2100: it does technically work for production deployments as far as I can tell, we're just nitpicking basically.
[17:32] <plars> sil2100: maybe I'm just out of touch with what's going on, but is the sdk test really limited to just the one test now?
[17:32] <sil2100> plars: I think it was mostly that way, right?
[17:33] <plars> sil2100: *sigh* I think I'm just not awake yet and thinking of a different test... ignore me :)
[17:33] <sil2100> plars: since sdk is different fron ubuntuuitoolkit
[17:33] <sil2100> ;)
[17:33] <plars> yeah
[17:33]  * plars goes to get more coffee
[17:34] <sil2100> robru: ugh
[17:34] <robru> sil2100: what?
[17:34] <bzoltan_> sil2100: plars: that single sdk test is more like a legacy thing... not really relevant and hardly ever fails. It checks if the SDK has all the necessary libs on the device ... the whole platform would be in a deep problem if that test fails :)
[18:26] <rsalveti> om26er: something is wrong with that device tarball, it fails to boot for me, still need to investigate that
[18:26] <rsalveti> not sure when john updated it
[18:27] <om26er> rsalveti, it failed for me, thats why I was doing --bootstrap
[18:27] <rsalveti> not sure if bootstrap will flash properly with the device tarball
[18:27] <rsalveti> and that might explain the crashes you saw
[18:41] <thostr_> rvr: charles was in contact with design, but they have no resources to address in more holistic way. However, Charles added some minor changes to fix the issues pointed out by saviq. Charles will ping you later on.
[18:41] <rvr> thostr_: Ok
[18:42] <charles> right
[18:43] <charles> rvr, design is focused on the new notifications spec
[18:44] <charles> rvr, since saviq is out I'll pull someone else in (Wellark) to review the MP's tweak to fix bug #1401802
[18:48] <rvr> charles: Remember that in order to land the silo, all bugs must be approved. And right now that bug is not.
[18:50] <rvr> charles: After that, ping me and I'll retest the silo.
[19:17] <Saviq> charles, sorry, didn't get around to it, but from your description is fine
[19:21] <dobey> ToyKeeper: hi are you around? can i get you to test a new pay-ui click please, so we can get it released to store?
[19:21] <ToyKeeper> dobey: Hi, here but a little zombie-ish due to an early early meeting.
[19:22] <dobey> zombie meetings are the worst
[19:25] <ToyKeeper> Hmm...  perhaps after a nap.
[19:26] <dobey> ToyKeeper: enjoy it. :)
[19:26] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: that Early Call was surely like 10:00am?
[19:27] <ToyKeeper> davmor2: Which, for me, is like having a meeting at 10pm after going to bed around sunset.
[19:28] <dobey> davmor2: 10:00 UTC?
[19:28] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: you know the sun sets here around 15:00 that would be a 7 hour sleep :P
[19:28] <davmor2> dobey: no 10:00 am ToyKeeper's time
[19:28] <ToyKeeper> Wow, early sunset.  So yeah, later than that.
[19:29] <dobey> davmor2: so it was only 2 hours ago?
[19:29] <davmor2> dobey: infact scrap that 10:00 Fort Collins time that is not necessarily the same as ToyKeeper's time :)
[19:30]  * davmor2 is pretty sure ToyKeeper should live in Newzealand
[19:32] <bfiller> robru: row 40 is showing up as Landed incorrectly after I changed the testing status to tested
[19:32] <robru> bah
[19:35] <robru> bfiller: of course I would be able to fix that trivially if I could connect to the spreadsheet
[19:49]  * dobey wonders what other QA people are in the americas
[19:51] <robru> dobey: I usually lean on toykeeper but she's in NZ so she'll be around a bit later today I expect
[20:04] <robru> bfiller: you're missing the description
[20:05] <bfiller> robru: done
[20:06] <robru> bfiller: thanks. vivid 13
[20:06] <bfiller> robru: thanks
[20:06] <robru> bfiller: you're welcome!
[20:19] <dobey> hmm
[21:03] <bfiller> robru: row 23 also showing up incorrectly as landed
[21:05] <robru> bfiller: wow there's a lot of those
[21:05] <robru> bfiller: ok fixed, and added a check to hopefully prevent that from continuing...
[21:05] <dobey> bfiller: that silo is empty and it says packages built though
[21:06] <robru> dobey: rtm 6 has a gallery-app package in it... ?
[21:06] <dobey> oh, hit the wrong url in history
[21:07] <robru> dobey: no worries. if you do find any weird inconsistencies like that please report them to me
[21:14] <kenvandine> robru, i'm confused, on the dashboard for ubuntu silo 7 it only shows one branch in the landing
[21:14] <kenvandine> but there are 2
[21:14] <kenvandine> and i confirmed in the build logs that it pulled both branches
[21:14] <robru> kenvandine: uh
[21:14] <kenvandine> robru, could that be a bug in the UI?
[21:15] <robru> kenvandine: not a bug in the UI, raw json definitely only has one mp: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain/ubuntu/landing-007
[21:16] <kenvandine> weird
[21:16] <kenvandine> the build in the PPA has both
[21:16] <kenvandine> robru, so i did do a reconfigure while it was building
[21:16] <kenvandine> and built again
[21:18] <robru> kenvandine: so the dashboard will show whatever was most recently configured, regardless of what's in the PPA. is it possible you had two MPs, built, took one out, reconfigured, then put the second one back without reconfiguring?
[21:18] <kenvandine> no...
[21:18] <kenvandine> i only reconfigured once
[21:18] <kenvandine> it started out with 1 MP
[21:18] <kenvandine> and i added another
[21:18] <kenvandine> and did a reconfigure
[21:19] <kenvandine> robru, should i reconfigure again ?
[21:19] <kenvandine> oh... and when i clicked build, the dashboard showed both MPs
[21:19] <kenvandine> unless someone else did a reconfigure on it :)
[21:21] <robru> kenvandine: oohhhhhh ok I think I get it
[21:21] <robru> kenvandine: you said you reconfigured while the build job was still running?
[21:21] <kenvandine> yeah, is that a bad thing?
[21:22] <robru> kenvandine: yeah, each job keeps a copy of the config in memory, so when the build job completed and it saved the 'packages built' status it would have written that to disk, undoing the reconfig.
[21:22] <kenvandine> it looked fine after, and i watched the second build pull in both MPs
[21:22] <robru> kenvandine: so yeah, the dashboard should be considered authoritative, you need to reconfigure again
[21:22] <kenvandine> robru, maybe a reconfigure then a watch only build?
[21:22] <kenvandine> since i know the PPA is right?
[21:22] <robru> kenvandine: sounds reasonable
[21:23] <dobey> hmm
[21:52] <pmcgowan> om26er, silo2 retest?
[21:52] <om26er> pmcgowan, looking
[21:52] <om26er> pmcgowan, on it
[21:56] <dobey> what is the cutoff for getting a click in the store, to be in the promoted image for this week?
[21:56] <dobey> aka, the ota1 image
[22:09] <Saviq> trainguards, when's the latest I can grab any of you tonight?
[22:10] <robru> Saviq: I'm officially here for at least 4 more hours, but should unofficially be responsive to pings for probably 8 more hours.
[22:11] <Saviq> robru, great, I will only be here for your official hours, so we should be good :)
[22:11] <robru> Saviq: sounds good!
[22:15] <bfiller> robru: can you publish ubuntu silo 17 please?
[22:16] <bfiller> robru: sorry, mean ubuntu 19
[22:16] <dobey> well, i need to go
[22:16] <dobey> i hope ToyKeeper can test the click for me
[22:16] <dobey> ToyKeeper: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-builder-vivid-armhf/75/artifact/output/com.canonical.payui_0.4.3_armhf.click is the click we need tested. thanks
[22:16] <dobey> later!
[22:17] <robru> bfiller: done
[22:17] <bfiller> robru: cheers
[22:17] <robru> bfiller: you're welcome
[22:23] <om26er> pmcgowan, approved.
[23:09] <ToyKeeper> dobey: If you're still around, is there a change list or something for this new pay-ui?
[23:46] <Saviq> robru, vivid silo 9 can be published please ↑


[08:36] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[08:54] <rye> joshuahoover: 2012-07-05 23:38:20,081 - twisted - ERROR - u'Host name does not match certificate. Expected fs-2.ubuntuone.com but got fs-2.one.ubuntu.com.'
[08:57] <rye> ping webops, what do we need to do for _https._tcp.ubuntuone.com to start returning fs-{1,2}.one.ubuntu.com instead of fs-{1,2}.ubuntuone.com
[08:57] <gnuoy> rye, let me take a look
[08:58] <rye> because we have certificates issued for fs-1.one.ubuntu.com and for at least one person that became an issue
[08:58] <rye> and I am not sure why it became an issue for only one person
[08:59] <rye> gnuoy: continuing in #u1-internal
[09:42] <mandel_> morning from florence :)
[12:28] <mandel_> ralsina, hello!
[12:29] <mandel_> ralsina, where is everyone!
[12:52] <mandel_> rye, where is everyone?
[12:54] <rye> mandel_: python conference I suppose
[12:54] <mandel_> rye, ah..
[13:06] <dobey> yeah
[13:06] <dobey> pycamp is this weekend
[13:06] <dobey> so all of .ar is there
[13:34] <mandel_> dobey, buh… I had no idea, now my code is blocked :(
[13:34] <dobey> what code?
[13:35] <mandel_> dobey, fsevents, not to worry, I wanted to bully gatox :)
[13:35]  * mandel_ restarts
[14:20] <dobey> hmm
[14:20] <dobey> mandel: are you working today?
[14:21] <dobey> no
[14:22] <dobey> i guess it's just thisfred, mmcc and me today
[14:22] <thisfred> sí
[14:24] <dobey> so let's not do the standup
[14:30] <dobey> brb
[14:34] <mmcc> sure, no problem here
[14:35] <mmcc> btw, no one gave me any reviews on Tuesday so if you have any today let me know, I'll make time today
[15:01] <thisfred> TODO: immanentize the eschaton
[15:45] <dobey> lunch time, bbiab
[16:53] <dobey> thisfred: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-infrastructure/u1db-nightlies/+merge/113757
[16:54] <thisfred> on it
[16:54] <thisfred> +1
[16:54] <dobey> thisfred, mmcc: can you also review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-installer/core-cache/+merge/113286 ?
[16:54] <mmcc> sure
[17:00] <mmcc> dobey, re: your question about the sso branch you just looked at - that branch is old, I should cancel the merge proposal or something. what's the right way to do it? I was going to ask after finishing the replacement- wasn't expecting anyone to look at it in the meantime, sorry
[17:00] <dobey> mmcc: ah ok, i'll reject it then
[17:00] <mmcc> ok
[17:01] <dobey> mmcc: what about https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-1018924-use-buildout-python/+merge/112813 ?
[17:02] <mmcc> also reject
[17:02] <dobey> done
[17:12] <mmcc> hm, looking at this windows installer xml file, most paths have the backslash, but the path to the uninstaller has a forward-slash. anyone know if that's a problem?
[17:13] <dobey> don't know
[17:13] <dobey> i guess the bitrock thing does the right thing regardless
[17:13] <dobey> as it does support osx, windows, and linux
[17:14] <mmcc> guess so. sometimes forward slashes work on windows too, but I don't understand when or why
[17:14] <dobey> i think they work more often since MS made explore.exe and iexplore.exe be the same thing
[17:15] <dobey> because the internet made people more used to typing / than \
[17:15] <mmcc> hooray internet
[17:17] <mmcc> Todays moment of zen: the title of the menu item I select to create a new console window with Console2 on windows is "Main console module"
[17:29] <mmcc> dobey, trying to run dirspec tests on windows, I don't have trial.py or pyflakes.py where it wants-- I guess run-tests.bat isn't expecting  a buildout-style python, huh.
[17:32] <mmcc> …and running trial.py from within the egg in the buildout just silently does nothing :(
[17:33] <dobey> mmcc: hrmm, i don't know. afaik the tests work. i guess we'll have to wait to ask alecu about that? :-/
[17:35] <mmcc> I guess so. care to review my exe_finding branch as code only? tests work on mac and linux
[17:37] <dobey> well, it /is/ my review day :)
[17:37] <mmcc> oh right. just a sec, new bug -> commit --fixes -> dance dance
[17:41] <mmcc> and if you're light on reviews to do, I still have no idea what I'm doing with bugs affecting projects/ distributions, etc. Be nice to stop offloading that onto you.
[17:45] <mmcc> dobey, ok - https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/dirspec/add-exefind/+merge/113782
[17:45] <dobey> oh jenkins, thou art a harsh mistress
[17:46]  * dobey bets precise is offline again
[17:46] <dobey> and it is
[17:46] <mmcc> that branch is definitely still open to suggestions as to API design or where it should go or whatever…
[17:48] <dobey> right. i haven't even had time to read through your e-mail yet either
[17:48] <dobey> wasn't expecting a branch already :)
[17:50] <mmcc> heh. well, I've had all that code arranged in different places a couple of times already so it was quick to put it together
[17:51] <mmcc> and wherever it ends up, it'll be most of that same code in one place so I figured it couldn't hurt to get a jump
[18:18] <dobey> mmcc: can you run the fsevents daemon tests?
[18:24] <mmcc> dobey, I should be able to now, yes
[18:24] <dobey> mmcc: maybe you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-fsevents-daemon/allow_user_readd/+merge/113749 also then?
[18:24] <mmcc> ok, sure.
[18:29] <mmcc> lunchtime...
[19:30] <dobey> hmm
[20:05] <dobey> brb
[20:11] <dobey> meh, having vaguely supported hardware is no fun :-/
[20:15] <mmcc> dobey, just saw your comments, thanks - do we ever run frozen on platforms other than mac & win?
[20:16] <dobey> i don't know what frozen means exactly there
[20:16] <mmcc> well, specifically it means sys.frozen is not None, but I also just need to know more about how we package things on linux
[20:16] <dobey> but even the "unfrozen" path there seems to be the wrong way to do things on Linux
[20:17] <dobey> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'frozen'
[20:17] <dobey> is what Linux does apparently :)
[20:18] <mmcc> ah, yes - that's true. that path is only correct for development, and since this code is really only for mac and win at first, I was using 'frozen' == packaged
[20:18] <mmcc> that's why it uses getattr , I guess
[20:23] <dobey> mmcc: also, what came of the discussion i see between you and alecu about the variable definitions for each project?
[20:23] <dobey> do you need to change the code as a result of that?
[20:24] <mmcc> no, this code incorporates that feedback.
[20:25] <dobey> ah ok
[20:26] <dobey> i think it does need to be a bit more generic as well
[20:26] <mmcc> I had originally made the "app_names" dict a parameter to the get_cmdline function, but since it'll be specific to each project (i.e., only u1client needs to know the sub-app-name for syncdaemon), it seemed ok to just get it from the module argument
[20:26] <dobey> but i'm not exactly sure where/what that means at the moment
[20:26] <mmcc> sorry, what needs to be more generic? the app names part of it or the whole thing
[20:26] <dobey> the whole thing
[20:27] <mmcc> definitely if we want it to be able to be used for installed linux , it needs a change… although we always use dbus for launching stuff there, afaict
[20:28] <dobey> i don't think we launch the sso gui with dbus. those have to be installed in the specific sso libexecdir
[20:28] <mmcc> hmm
[20:35] <mmcc> yes, that's right - that uses ubuntu_sso.utils.get_bin_dir, which looks in path-to-__file__/../../bin/ and falls back to using  ubuntu_sso.constants.BIN_DIR, which is generated at install time… so on linux we 'compile in' the right path
[20:36] <mmcc> that fall-back to a constants.py is one way to add packaged linux support to my get_cmdline branch, but it only works for sso. (although only sso would use it)
[20:39] <mmcc> that is, only sso would use get_cmdline on linux
[20:42] <dobey> right
[20:42] <dobey> well
[20:42] <dobey> maybe we could provide a primary_path kwarg or something, that if is not None, look there first
[20:42] <dobey> not sure exactly yet
[20:43] <dobey> need to think about it a bit
[20:43] <dobey> brb, need to reboot again
[20:47] <dobey> hmm, secondary still all red, and lightdm was behaving weird
[20:49] <dobey> and gl stuff is still crashy :-/
[20:49] <dobey> doh
[21:00] <mmcc> arg, mandel's integration tests aren't working for me...
[21:01] <mmcc> they have to be run as root and running with sudo changes your environment. the weird buildout $u1trial stuff is hitting us here
[21:02] <mmcc> and Xcode says "Unexpected internal inconcistency: No recorder for buildTask: "
[21:02] <mmcc> hey great speling, XCode
[21:03] <dobey> oh fun
[21:03] <dobey> heh
[21:03] <dobey> need to reboot again
[21:03] <dobey> whee
[21:09] <dobey> back
[21:11] <dobey> hmm
[21:13] <mmcc> I note that the OCMock license on the website still hasn't changed
[21:14] <dobey> :-/
[21:14] <dobey> should we ping about it?
[21:27] <mmcc> I guess so, I'll ping him now.
[21:27]  * mmcc pokes his head up out of trying to run mandel's Xcode tests
[21:30] <dobey> heh
[21:48] <dobey> ok, have a good weekend mmcc. i'm out of here :)
[21:49] <mmcc> alright, you too dobey.