[13:27] <taeaad> Ardour can play back MIDI though, right?
[15:38] <OvenWerks> taeaad: it depends on what you mean by "play back". If a suitable plugin is put in a midi track That midi will be played back as audio (drums, piano, synth, whatever). Otherwise it can be fed as midi to an external midi synth via ALSA or JACK.


[04:59] <lotuspsychje> fix commited on bug #1965659
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> yaru theme updates incoming, lets c if bug #1965659 solved
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> yep, solved nicely
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> PaulW2U: that cheese video bug looks also resolved to me
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> bug #1949183
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> im on 41.1-1build1 now
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> the white screen on shots, still visible though
[13:44] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: for me still white screen and error re playing video from the webcam
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> wayland and same version right?
[13:45] <PaulW2U> yes
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> weird
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> (cheese:178325): Gdk-WARNING **: 15:46:20.004: ../../../../../gdk/x11/gdkwindow-x11.c:5653 drawable is not a native X11 window
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> (cheese:178325): Clutter-CRITICAL **: 15:46:26.274: Unable to create dummy onscreen: No foreign surface, and wl_shell unsupported by the compositor
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> still getting these
[13:50] <PaulW2U> I just enabled -proposed. 496 updates pending. Hopefully quite a few bugs will get fixed when they get released.
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> oof
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> had 266 this morning
[13:51] <PaulW2U> I can believe it. I saw over 750 pending yesterday...
[20:37] <en11gma> i looked up some of the features of 22.04 and didnt notice alot of difference from 20.04 but i thought i heard it was better with the tpm/secure boot and something to do with gpu's but i cant find anything on either
[20:37] <en11gma> is there a difference involving either of those from 20.04 compared to 22.04?
[20:54] <rdr> en11gma: the graphics stack is updated, so you'll get better performance out of AMD/Intel GPUs
[20:55] <rdr> nvidia gpus (gross) depend mostly on the proprietary driver version
[23:18] <tmus> 22.04 beta looks solid, except for the firefox snap which still has serious unresolved issues dating all the way back to 21.10 release. What are the chances that the snap decision for Firefox will be reverted for final release, allowing an alternative "traditional" deb version, just like 21.10?
[23:19] <tmus> I can't see how these issues could be fixed before release, unfortunately. Drag/Drop, Access rights, stability issues etc.
[23:40] <Tim_Blokdijk> I'm running 22.04 daily. I get a double login, different types. One I can disable by using the "auto login" in the gnome user config. Is this a known bug?


[15:14] <Milos_SD> hi
[15:15] <Milos_SD> what is happening with firefox nightly ubuntu global menu support?
[15:15] <Milos_SD> it isn't working for about a week now...
[16:20] <micahg_mobile> Milos_as:I think Chris is trying to push the support upstream for it
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> Milos_SD, yeah, i'm no longer doing any work on our menubar addon, and it broke due to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836050
[21:17] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 836050 in DOM "Make Element::GetAttr/HasAttr/AttrValueIs non-virtual" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> which is why it no longer exists in our nightly builds
[22:06] <Milos_SD> chrisccoulson, so there will be no more menubar support in firefox nightly?


[06:46] <micahg> [reed]: so, is there going to be a 3.0.19?
[06:46] <[reed]> most likely
[06:46] <[reed]> I don't think it's been completely decided
[06:46] <[reed]> but there's a good chance
[06:46] <micahg> wow, ok
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> asac: going crazy here! i can not get any dhcp working!
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> two days without proper networking in my lappy
[09:35] <vish> anyone know how to copy history from one firefox profile to another? or atleast where the history is stored?
[09:36] <BUGabundo_work> vish: its an mislq db file
[09:36] <BUGabundo_work> history.db maybe
[09:36] <vish> hmm..
[09:36] <BUGabundo_work> BUT PLEASE
[09:36] <BUGabundo_work> do it with FF close!
[09:36] <vish> yeah :)
[09:37]  * vish needs history for awesome bar to work properly ;)  else seems like he has memory loss
[09:38] <BUGabundo_work> try places.sqlite
[09:38] <BUGabundo_work> vish: i know the felling
[09:38] <BUGabundo_work> using 3 diff PCs and 5 diff browsers
[09:38] <BUGabundo_work> is making me CRAZY
[09:38] <BUGabundo_work> vish: and urlclassifier3.sqlite
[09:39] <vish> hehe , this was the main reason , i was only upgrading ff for a long time ;)
[09:39]  * vish tries replacing files
[09:39] <BUGabundo_work> make backups of those profile
[09:40] <BUGabundo_work> use weave to keep them in sync
[09:43] <vish> \o/
[09:44] <vish> BUGabundo_work: its places.sqlite ...  thanks :)
[09:57] <vish> hmm , that changes the bookmarks too :(
[09:57] <BUGabundo_work> its all into one
[09:58] <vish>  FF allows backup and restore of bookmarks alone , but not for history :s
[09:58] <vish> there was a bug in the bookmarks which was the main reason i moved to a new profile :(
[09:59] <vish> well , i'll be like the guy from Memento ;)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: can you please pastebin the full iso script?
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> not on my pc
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> nor  can i access it due to DHClient bug :(
[11:08] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: ok
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: but its so darn easy
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> just $ zsync URL
[11:08] <BUGabundo_work> :D
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> all i did was crawl all isos zsync urls as echo to that file
[11:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: im more concered of the first part. i will post in a sec
[11:10] <BUGabundo_work> what 1st part?
[11:10] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: this whole part in this section "ionice" also the "do"
[11:10] <asac> BUGabundo_work: downgrade to archive version
[11:11] <asac> the ppa needs a newer dhcp client
[11:14] <BUGabundo_work> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:14] <BUGabundo_work> now u tell me :(
[11:15] <BUGabundo_work> two days with so much to do, lost :(
[11:15] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: oh i think you are thinking of an entirely diff script
[11:15] <BUGabundo_work> that one was cwillu that made for me, one year ago
[11:16] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: here is the one i have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/384307/
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> when he looked at my previous script and though he must fix it
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: right
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> thats version 2
[11:16] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> i'm now on a semi-work-in-progress version 3
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> i no longer use rsync
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> but zsync instead
[11:17] <BUGabundo_work> no longer requires manual md5
[11:17] <BUGabundo_work> yeah, i may need to pick back on that one and hack it a bit to use zsync links
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> right now its more of a manual thingy, aka copy paste
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> works fine, since its all in 4 diff dirs
[11:18] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: ok
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> the only thing i need to automate is ionice those process, cause zsync is WAY TOO MUCH heavy in IO
[11:19] <gnomefreak> not even sure why "do_download" was used
[11:19] <BUGabundo_work> bug 521782
[11:19] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: well, cwillu made it a cycle to go around the list of isos
[11:19] <BUGabundo_work> but u have ALL comented
[11:20] <BUGabundo_work> ehe
[11:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: all but alternative line. im not sure if i uncomment both live and alternate if it will grab both in one run
[11:22] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: if all u want is ONE iso, or even two, do it like this:
[11:23] <BUGabundo_work> $ sudo ionice -c 3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/lucid-alternate-i386.iso.zsync -O /home/gnomefreak/downloads/iso_downloads/lucid-alternate-i386.iso
[11:24] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: than i can drop "do_download" and use zsync in its place?
[11:24] <BUGabundo_work> typo
[11:24] <BUGabundo_work> $ sudo ionice -c 3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/lucid-alternate-i386.iso.zsync -o /home/gnomefreak/downloads/iso_downloads/lucid-alternate-i386.iso
[11:24] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: u can use ONLY this line
[11:25] <BUGabundo_work> simple hey ?
[11:25] <BUGabundo_work> even stupidier bashism
[11:26] <gnomefreak> so MD5SUMS was dropped?
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> $ cd /home/gnomefreak/downloads/iso_downloads/; sudo ionice -c 3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/lucid-alternate-i386.iso.zsync ; sudo chown gnomefreak.gnomefreak -R .
[11:26] <BUGabundo_work> nope, still there
[11:27] <BUGabundo_work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/MD5SUMS
[11:28] <BUGabundo_work> $ cd /home/gnomefreak/downloads/iso_downloads/; sudo ionice -c 3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync ; sudo chown gnomefreak.gnomefreak -R .
[11:28] <BUGabundo_work> for Live gnomefreak
[11:31] <gnomefreak> hmmmm looks like you dropped a few lines in the above and changed just about everthing
[11:32] <BUGabundo_work> yea
[11:32] <BUGabundo_work> i told it was a new script in the works
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> so just change the download line to use zsync instead of rsync
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> and upgrade the URLs to point to zsync link
[11:33] <BUGabundo_work> remove the md5sum
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ok thanks ill work on it a bit later i hope.
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> keep me posted on the improves
[12:01] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: ok. when you are able please send me the new script so i can upgrade mine incase the changes dont work
[12:02]  * gnomefreak never gonna have coffee this morning :(
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: not so soon. no free time
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> as i said, i've just been using copy paste of zsync urls
[12:03] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: that is fine
[12:03] <BUGabundo_work> i wrote more in our little chat about this, then i did at home
[12:03] <BUGabundo_work> :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_lunch: when you get a minute can you let me know if this is correct? http://paste.ubuntu.com/384341/
[13:04] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: no its not!
[13:04] <BUGabundo_work> oh wait... u comment out some stuff
[13:04] <BUGabundo_work> let me read it all
[13:07] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: this one is what u problaly want
[13:07] <BUGabundo_work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384367/
[13:07] <BUGabundo_work> but it wont be click and forget
[13:07] <BUGabundo_work> since you are required to enter SUDO pass
[13:14] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: thanks i will try
[13:17] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: ionice: execvp failed: No such file or directory
[13:17] <gnomefreak> ionice: execvp failed: No such file or directory
[13:17] <gnomefreak> lucid-alternate_zsync.isoupdate.sh: 13: do_download: not found
[13:18] <gnomefreak> that is when i try to run it
[13:19] <BUGabundo_work> thats NOT my script!
[13:19] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: just renamed
[13:19] <BUGabundo_work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384367/
[13:20] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: same as http://paste.ubuntu.com/384367/
[13:20] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[13:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: this is what i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/384373/
[13:22] <gnomefreak> on and the rest do_download that i have commented out
[13:23] <gnomefreak> i shoudl drop the do_* and use zsync only?
[13:23] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: just replace with mine!
[13:23] <BUGabundo_work> its all u need!
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> its the FULL script for both alternate and live isos
[13:24] <gnomefreak> oh
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> for *daily* ubuntu images
[13:27] <gnomefreak> here is the script and the output when i ran it http://paste.ubuntu.com/384377/
[13:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: ^^
[13:28] <gnomefreak> opps :( hold on
[13:28] <gnomefreak> i guess it helps to have zsync installed :(
[13:29] <BUGabundo_work> WTH
[13:29] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[13:29] <gnomefreak> ok lets see what happens now
[13:29] <gnomefreak> much better :)
[13:31] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: thanks i will run them fully today/night
[13:31] <gnomefreak> or when i get a minute
[13:35] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: remember: its not unamanged! needs user input for sudo. or u remove the sudo from the bash, and sudo it when running
[13:36] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: sudo is fine with me
[14:25] <gnomefreak> ok i think i found out that im not getting mozilla bugs from LP just not sure why
[14:28] <gnomefreak> is anyone else not getting mozilla bug mail?
[14:45] <asac> bdrung: hey ... yofrankie ;) ... it doesnt play
[14:45] <asac> bdrung: it ends with "no joystick" ... and also i see on the console that its looking for CDROM
[14:45] <bdrung> asac: it doesn't?
[14:45] <asac> any idea?
[14:45] <bdrung> no
[14:45] <asac> all data files should be there?
[14:46] <asac> yofrankie-bge i am starting
[14:46] <asac> any info you need?
[14:46] <bdrung> i have to test it myself and for that i have to start lucid (karmic has no 3D)
[14:46] <bdrung> asac: i will test it myself and then i may need more infos
[14:46] <gnomefreak> how do i find the upstream bugs i commented on or even reported. only 2 show up in reported
[14:46] <asac> oh
[14:47] <asac> bdrung: i disabled shaders and that starts now
[14:47] <asac> bdrung: good. can i display fps somehow?
[14:48] <bdrung> dunno
[14:48] <gnomefreak> glxgears?
[14:48] <gnomefreak> or not
[14:48] <bdrung> asac: btw, i haven't played it yet :) the testing was done by others.
[14:48] <gnomefreak> lol little box with spinning gears shows up
[14:49] <gnomefreak> glxgears |grep fps opens that box
[15:10] <directhex> how close is xulrunner-dev 1.9.2?
[15:11] <asac> directhex: have to talk to micah today to see where we stand
[15:11] <directhex> k
[15:12] <asac> next week we get more power ;)
[15:16] <gnomefreak> more power?
[15:31] <asac> another great guy working on mozilla ;)
[15:31] <asac> THE HOPE
[15:37] <gnomefreak> ah
[15:39] <mconnor> asac: does that mean stuff will get upstreamed sanely? like the KDE support? :)D
[15:41] <asac> mconnor: the kde support looked quite well here. i can ensure that its getting split up in a few patches for bugs and gets up
[15:41] <mconnor> good good
[15:41] <mconnor> there's a dep chain of bugs on file already
[15:41] <asac> suse doesnt do that?
[15:42] <asac> mconnor: right i found that
[15:42] <asac> not sure if those bugs will match all patches ... but we will try to reuse them as much as possible
[15:42] <mconnor> that was the plan, but needs someone with more time than wolfgang, I think
[15:42] <asac> yeah. but i thought the guy who did the patches (which wasnt wolfgang) would have been the best candidate ;)
[15:42] <asac> anyway, its fine for us to split it up
[15:46] <asac> bug 514254
[15:46] <asac> bug 514253
[15:46] <asac> bug 514257
[15:46] <gnomefreak> asac: suse did patch for QT IIRC
[15:47] <gnomefreak> i say we drop arm too many damn problems if you ask me
[15:48]  * gnomefreak adds person to my "watch list"
[15:49] <gnomefreak> oh i think i fixed my no LP mozilla bugs problem
[15:49] <asac> bug 507416
[15:49] <asac> bug 507503
[15:52] <asac> bug 499881
[15:54] <gnomefreak> ok either you are working very fast or you like the bot ;)
[16:04] <gnomefreak> ok good he left
[16:04] <gnomefreak> asac: you didnt have to stop
[16:07] <gnomefreak> asac: are we supporting addons from mozilla site?
[16:07] <gnomefreak> hi micahg
[16:08] <micahg> hi gnomefreak
[16:08] <micahg> I would say depends on the addon
[16:13] <asac> gnomefreak: no we dont support addons from mozilla site ;)
[16:13] <gnomefreak> i asked for a list im not sure what "several" means when he said it
[16:13] <asac> depens on its popularity a bit
[16:13] <asac> if it breaks us, but not upstream builds we care
[16:13] <asac> yes.
[16:14] <gnomefreak> he has some of ours and upstreams. greasemonkey is one he mentioned
[16:18] <micahg> asac: what about something like firebug that's tracked in bmo?
[16:19] <gnomefreak> i dont think picking a choosing is a great idea
[16:19] <gnomefreak> that can only come back and bite us
[16:20] <micahg> well, if it's tracked in bmo, it's more of a core mozilla addon
[16:34] <micahg> asac: what do you think of bug 469752
[16:34] <directhex> asac, pending xulrunner-dev 1.9.2, do you want to import my moonlight package from the ~moonlight-team ppa?
[16:35] <micahg> directhex: I can do that...
[16:37] <micahg> directhex: ah, you have a special PPA :)
[16:37] <directhex> micahg, yeah, i uploaded a LOT of garbage whilst testing
[16:38] <micahg> directhex: done
[16:38] <micahg> directhex: thanks
[16:38] <directhex> woo
[16:39] <directhex> micahg, i want to upload an ubuntu1 for monodevelop which enables support for moonlight development. it introduces a new binary package, monodevelop-moonlight, with a binary depends on one of the packages in moon 2.1.
[16:41] <micahg> directhex: I would suggest staging in your ppa
[19:06] <micahg> asac: after lunch, I'm going to try to port prism today
[19:06] <micahg> s/port/prepare
[19:52] <micahg> fta: prism has 1.0~b2 in the bzr changelog, but 1.0b3+svn in the daily changelog, if I continue with 1.0~b3 will it break the daily?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[22:32] <BUGabundo> network-manager-gnome will be downgraded
[22:32] <BUGabundo> libnm-util1 will be downgraded
[22:32] <BUGabundo> network-manager-pptp will be downgraded
[22:32] <BUGabundo> network-manager will be downgraded
[22:32] <BUGabundo> libnm-glib2 will be downgraded
[22:32] <BUGabundo> modemmanager will be downgraded
[22:32] <BUGabundo> asac: ^^^^
[22:32] <BUGabundo> hope that's fine
[22:39] <BUGabundo> micahg: your poor counter part is complaining he is getting replies meant to you :D
[22:42] <micahg> BUGabundo: ??
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:43] <BUGabundo> really
[22:43] <BUGabundo> gwibber:/read?msg=9693564502-4925aca919f7b516cf6a6658bdbf4f80-responses
[22:43] <BUGabundo> oops
[22:43] <BUGabundo> https://twitter.com/micahg/statuses/9693564502
[22:44] <micahg> heh
[22:44] <micahg> identi.ca FTW :)
[22:44] <BUGabundo> StatusNet
[22:45] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: is anything that can be done so copying gwibber reply links, uses the real LINK and not that strange thing above?
[22:45] <micahg> BUGabundo: k, StatusNet FTW!
[22:45] <BUGabundo> micahg: wanna reply to him?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:45] <BUGabundo> make him even more confused?
[22:45] <micahg> nah, how?
[22:46]  * micahg isn't on twitter
[22:46] <BUGabundo> oh right
[22:47] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/micahg
[22:47] <BUGabundo> eheh told him about 'that'
[22:47] <BUGabundo> micahg: NO AVATAR?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> how can you !!!!!
[22:47] <micahg> BUGabundo: I need a good picture :)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> pick one
[22:48] <BUGabundo> http://images.google.pt/images?q=micahg
[22:49] <micahg> how's that?
[22:51] <micahg> BUGabundo: ^^
[22:52] <BUGabundo> I guess you need to loose weight :D
[22:55] <BUGabundo> fta: you got the new bug for all the SNAPS?


 Congrats @JyotiGomes
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> The crap storm about thirty two bit continues https://mobile.twitter.co …], There where also some post from wine about it
 Silly question, the way windows 64bit can run 32bit application wine couldn't do that?
[00:35] <kc2bez> They need to change which libraries they are using. The 32 bit libraries are going away.
 @tsimonq2 [Congratulations to @JyotiGomes for becoming an official member of the Lubuntu pr …], 👌👌👌
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> They need to change which libraries they are using. The 32 bit librarie …], Ok, so the announcement was that this libraries won't be supported (not only that 32bit distros won't be made)
 ?
[01:02] <kc2bez> Yes
 I really like the artichoke picture @TheWendyPower has for the installer for lximage-qt but it lacks the new annotation feature should I have a bug report for this
 Not sure if this is a 19.10 problem yet
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Yes], Then, that could be an issue
 Thank you Simon Quigley, Dan Simmons, apt-ghetto, Hans Möller, Noumeno. Thank you so much! 😊
 @JyotiGomes [Thank you Simon Quigley, Dan Simmons, apt-ghetto, Hans Möller, Noumeno. Thank yo …], ;)
 @tsimonq2 @wxl @aptghetto is https and CI still not working?
 It looks like the last libfm-qt was good in unstable.


[12:00] <lau1> anyone can launch kde applications in Natty 5unity or gnome3 ?
[19:48] <airurando> evening all


[11:41] <zniavre_> hello
[11:42] <zniavre_> what is the command line to upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[11:42] <zniavre_> please*
[11:43] <arand_> you just sed sources.list for now. And yeah, count on it breaking..
[11:44] <zniavre_> ok thank you
[11:44] <zniavre_> tty are still available or everything is broken ?
[11:45] <arand_> Well, atm there's very few changes at all, but it is likely to mess up a couple of times in the wild early dev cycle, s'what I meant
[11:48] <zniavre_> ok
[12:55] <FernandoMiguel> good afternoon folks
[12:56] <AlexForce22> hi this is my first time using IRC
[12:57] <AlexForce22> hi drussell
[12:57] <AlexForce22> hi
[12:57] <AlexForce22> anyone here
[13:02] <drussell> AlexForce22: hiya
[13:02] <Pici> AlexForce22: This channel isn't really active as 12.04 development has barely started, #ubuntu-offtopic exists for offtopic chat.
[13:03] <AlexForce22> ok
[13:03] <AlexForce22> i do apologise
[13:03] <AlexForce22> am new to irc so am tryin to find list of channel but help command dont give me the list
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> there's #ubuntu
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> which will probably be for you
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> :)
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> unless you're already on 12.04
[13:05] <AlexForce22> no
[13:05] <AlexForce22> am on 10.10
[13:05] <Ian_Corne> then i'd advise you to seek help in #ubuntu
[13:05] <AlexForce22> 12.04 is the next LTS... cant wait to start learing ubuntu standard
[13:06] <AlexForce22> how do i quit.
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> type /join #ubuntu
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> actually it all depends on your client
[13:06] <Stanley00> AlexForce22: type /part to quit a channel
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> but that will probably work i guess
[13:06] <AlexForce22> thanks, is there a way to view all channels.
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> there is, but don't do that
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> there's way to many channels
[13:06] <Stanley00> AlexForce22: type /msg alis help to get a list
[13:06] <AlexForce22> ok
[13:07] <AlexForce22> later guys.. i am a C/C++ coder, slow but surely changin my friends to Ubuntu.. U guys rock.
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> :)
[13:07] <AlexForce22> later.. hope to be on ur team soon.
[13:37] <carli2> i can host a NAT connection with network-manager for 2 seconds
[13:37] <carli2> it works fine, but after 2 seconds, it disconnects
[13:37] <carli2> i reported this bug a month ago
[13:37] <carli2> but it was not fixed
[13:38] <carli2> is there anyone working on this problem?
[13:39] <carli2> or do you defend this as a "designed feature"?
[13:44] <FernandoMiguel> carli2: on Precise? or 11.10?
[13:50] <carli2> FernandoMiguel: 11.10. it works on all older ubuntu versions
[13:50] <carli2> and i hope, it will work in precise again
[13:53] <FernandoMiguel> carli2: for support on 11.10 you must try #ubuntu not +1
[13:53] <FernandoMiguel> you can try NM ppa and see if it is fixed there , on trunk
[13:55] <carli2> okay
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> updating my ati machine to 12.04
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> fglrx is broken under 11.10 anyways :p
[14:22] <FernandoMiguel> Ian_Corne: WOOT WOOT
[14:26] <bjsnider> fglrx isn't broken, it's functionally challenged
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> :D
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> I'm on a 6950
[14:28] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: how is vdpau support?
[14:29] <bjsnider> in what, fglrx?
[14:30] <FernandoMiguel> no
[14:30] <FernandoMiguel> nvidia
[14:31] <FernandoMiguel> or nouveua
[14:33] <bjsnider> you continued your unbroken streak of misspelling nouveau
[14:33] <bjsnider> vdpau in nvidia is great
[14:34] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: one day.... one day, ill get it
[14:34] <FernandoMiguel> is the boot times better with BLOB?
[14:34] <FernandoMiguel> it sucked last time
[14:34] <bjsnider> need to take a french class
[14:34] <FernandoMiguel> I love my 10 sec boot
[14:35] <FernandoMiguel> I did... for 5 years
[14:35] <bjsnider> not sure if boot times are affected
[14:35] <FernandoMiguel> it used to be at least 3x slower
[14:35] <FernandoMiguel> but ill try it
[14:35] <FernandoMiguel> need to quiet my GPU fans too
[14:35] <FernandoMiguel> they are always ON
[14:35] <bjsnider> well, adaptive power management works well
[14:36] <bjsnider> i bought a card without a fan to minimize noise
[14:36] <FernandoMiguel> ahah
[14:36] <FernandoMiguel> it's a laptop
[14:36] <FernandoMiguel> those aren't an option
[14:36] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: maybe I'm missing some app to manage power
[14:37] <FernandoMiguel> I've been cannibalizing my system, stripping everything to a minimal install.
[14:37] <FernandoMiguel> ubuntu-desktop bring too much stuff I don't care for
[14:37] <bjsnider> could be
[14:37] <FernandoMiguel> and I made it worse by having other -desktop meta installed ... like kde and lubuntu
[14:41] <akgraner> Reminder: Contributing to Ubuntu at a Local level: A Roadmap - Randall Ross (rrnwexec) starts at 1500 UTC
[15:01] <bjsnider> akgraner, starts where?
[15:02] <akgraner> #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:02] <akgraner> bjsnider, ^^^^
[15:51] <akgraner> Up Next  at 1600 UTC in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom chat for Ubuntu Open Week is Getting the most out of LoCo Teams Portal - mhall119
[15:52] <mhall119> and nigelb
[17:08] <sharpshooter> Hai all !! I changed my mouse icon theme , after that my new  theme only works with my web browser !
[20:08] <gnomefreak> there is no way to remove libqtcore4 and keep unity2d
[20:09] <gnomefreak> trying to rid system of kde apps
[20:14] <jtaylor> no
[20:14] <jtaylor> unity2d is based on qt
[20:14] <jtaylor> and qt != kde
[20:14] <jtaylor> kde is based on qt thats all
[20:15] <gnomefreak> yeah i know i just want kde off systeme well as much as possible. i guess synaptic or software center is best
[20:16] <jtaylor> removing kderuntime should mostly do the trick
[20:17] <jtaylor> or kde-runtime-data
[20:17] <bjsnider> the others should then be orphaned
[20:17] <jtaylor> => autoremove
[20:18] <gnomefreak> automoc removes alot of kde apps
[20:18] <bjsnider> that's the idea
[20:18] <gnomefreak> ok ill add that
[20:28] <gnomefreak> it seems kubuntu-desktop installs a crap load of apps and libs.
[20:29] <Ian_Corne> obviously..
[20:33] <gnomefreak> >450 but the looks of it that does not include important libqt* but it will clean it enough for my purpose
[20:33] <gnomefreak> ill be back need smoke
[20:47] <bjsnider> the raison d'etre of the -desktop metapackages is so you can install the whole gnome/kde/whatever environment, so naturally there are going to be a lot of packages attached to each one
[20:49] <FernandoMiguel> A LOT
[20:49] <gnomefreak> yeah but i didnt expect that many. like all the educational apps. i would have thought that would have been a different meta package
[20:51] <genii-around> gnomefreak: Maybe your APT::Install-Recommends or APT::Install-Suggests is set
[20:51] <gnomefreak> its possable but cant check atm too many things going at once  :(
[20:56] <gnomefreak> be back upgrade is on :)
[21:16] <gnomefreak> i cant find a way to format a mem stick, where did it go?
[21:17] <gnomefreak> used to right click and the choice was there. now right click offers open* eject safely remove
[21:17] <gnomefreak> and the menu isnt helpful either
[21:18] <gnomefreak> any ideas?
[21:18] <jbicha> gnomefreak: you can format with Disk Utility
[21:19] <gnomefreak> looking. thanks
[21:21] <FernandoMiguel> gnomefreak: or gparted
[21:23] <gnomefreak> i got it thanks guys


[00:19] <sbeattie> Knyaz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[00:40] <mason> Knyaz: also https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[06:26] <ChewyNoob> I tell ya what. When every single forum I read said not to try and set up a mail server, I should have listened.
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:11] <hypermist> why is my ubuntu deny sshing connections the last thing i did was disable docker
[13:28] <gddai> hi
[13:28] <gddai> something is keep setting my locales to POSIX no matter what i do
[16:25] <Mead> anyone know how I could find out if a used PCI (not pci express) graphics card will be supported by ubuntu server before I purchase it?
[16:32] <ppetraki> Mead, if it's that old it probably works
[16:59] <Mead> ppetraki: I discovered something can be too old, with trying to use old vga cards
[17:01] <ppetraki> Mead, the easiest thing to do is "just try it". Unless you can figure the pci vendor and device ID in advance, that's the only way you can determine if an X driver will support it. Otherwise it'll try to use the plain vga driver, which should work. but may not have enought color support to drive unity for example
[17:50] <compdoc> anyone have problems with the last qemu update? guests not booting?
[18:13] <b-yeezi> hello all. Anyone here ever setup a django app inside an LXD container?
[18:16] <b-yeezi> I have two containers on a host, one for db one for django/nginx. I can get the db to talk to the app. I can forward the app's port 80 to the host, but I cannot get allowed_hosts to work.
[19:50] <c0mrade> I've just inserted an Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS DVD into my server and I have many installation options, one of them is Install Ubuntu Server with HWE kernel. What does that mean? How would it differ and why would it matter to me if I pick second option the one with "HWE Kernel"?
[19:53] <ikonia> c0mrade: do not cross post
[19:53] <ikonia> c0mrade: ask in #ubuntu OR here, not both
[19:54] <c0mrade> I asked in ubuntu and it didn't work. So I thought ubuntu-server would be great.
[19:54] <c0mrade> ikonia: Dude you're like my shadow :D
[19:55] <ikonia> c0mrade: no, you where discussing it in #ubuntu and people where responding, please use one channel
[19:55] <c0mrade> ikonia: Why is it that you're the only one concentrating and focusing on what am doing :P
[19:56] <ikonia> you're in channels I'm an operator for, we have a policy of not cross posting, I'm telling you not to do this, thats why
[19:56] <c0mrade> You're about to be promoted to like a freenode staff or aiming for a channel operator?
[19:56] <c0mrade> Oh you're an operator...
[19:56] <c0mrade> I get it.
[19:56] <c0mrade> You're an operator at #ubuntu then.
[19:56] <ikonia> you have a history of spamming your questions across multiple channels - you've continued to do this, hence why I'm telling you not to do this
[19:56] <ikonia> clear ?
[19:57] <c0mrade> I just asked in two channels. I used #ubuntu and apparently I remembered that my question is related to #ubuntu-server much more so I moved there.
[19:57] <ikonia> please don't lie
[19:57] <ikonia> you've just changed your story
[19:57] <ikonia> you said no-one was responding in #ubuntu a minute ago
[19:57] <c0mrade> What am I supposed to do in this situation. Join #ubuntu-server and tell them I apologize I just asked the same question in #ubuntu but I am not spamming it's just my question is more relevant here.
[19:58] <ikonia> please - pick a channel and use it
[19:58] <ikonia> no more discussion on it
[19:58] <c0mrade> What channels are you an operator in?
[19:59] <ikonia> you can search chanserv if you want
[19:59] <c0mrade> How many?
[19:59] <c0mrade> Like 5 channels?
[19:59] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[19:59] <c0mrade> It does...
[20:00] <c0mrade> You have the right to tell me what to do in a channel you are an operator in.
[20:00] <ikonia> right, and I've just told you not to cross post, so please don't, discussion completed
[20:00] <c0mrade> But otherwise it's just simply no unless I hear a comment from the operator of that channel itself.
[20:01] <ikonia> it's up to you how you behave
[20:01] <c0mrade> I will respect your complaint in a channel you are an operator in but in a channel that you are not, you just simply can not tell me that unless again an operator of that channel did.
[20:02] <ikonia> as I said, it's up to you how you behave
[20:03] <c0mrade> ikonia: It's not that. If you're an op, one day you may ban me and tell everyone how wrong were I. Well I told you, I agree with you that I won't be cross posting in channels that you operate but otherwise no.
[20:04] <ikonia> c0mrade: I don't care, you've just got banned from other channels for cross posting, if you ignore it in other channels you'll get banned, I don't care, but this is why I'm telling you clearly not to do it here
[20:04] <c0mrade> And the only reason I don't want to get banned is because I gain experience from these channels.
[20:04] <b-yeezi> Anyway, to answer your question, HWE  basically means an updated kernel version on the 16.04 stack
[20:04] <c0mrade> b-yeezi: That's not only it.
[20:04] <ikonia> b-yeezi: it was already answered in #ubuntu before he posted here
[20:05] <c0mrade> I mean a sane person would then think well why the hell would they offer two kernel versions one is a bit older and the newest one, I mean the newest is the greatest, but there's one thing to it which google helped me to understand.
[20:05] <c0mrade> ikonia: It wasn't answered clearly neither in #ubuntu nor here.
[20:06] <ikonia> I disagree, but you have the answer now, so thats good
[20:06] <c0mrade> ikonia: How would you compare their answer with one like this:
[20:06] <c0mrade> " Ubuntu will offer at least two kernels: the General Availability (GA) kernel, i.e. the most stable kernel, which does not get updated to point releases; and the Hardware Enablement (HWE) kernel, i.e. the most recent kernel released. "
[20:06] <ikonia> c0mrade: pretty much exactly what b-yeezi just told you
[20:07] <c0mrade> [23:04] <b-yeezi> Anyway, to answer your question, HWE  basically means an updated kernel version on the 16.04 stack
[20:07] <c0mrade> I don't know how 'exact' that was.
[20:07] <c0mrade> Brand new hardware devices are released to the public always more frequently. And we want such hardware to be always working on Ubuntu, even if it has been released after an Ubuntu release. Six months (the time it takes for a new Ubuntu release to be made) is a very long period in the IT field.
[20:08] <ikonia> no it's not
[20:08] <c0mrade> Now, how does Ubuntu want to reach the goal of Hardware Enablement? Using rolling releases for the kernel: as soon as a new kernel is released, it is packaged for Ubuntu, tested (via the proposed pocket and special Q/A methodologies), and made available to Ubuntu users.
[20:08] <ikonia> 6 months is very acceptable, and few people will use that for production use
[20:08] <c0mrade> This method has of course some disadvantages: releasing a new kernel too quickly may introduce some bugs and issues, and may not be suitable for the enterprise.
[20:08] <ikonia> which is why people pick longer term distros which have mapped release cycles
[20:08] <ikonia> so I suggest you look at how people operate, and try to plan using their methods
[20:08] <c0mrade> The solution? Offering different kernels for different users.
[20:09] <ikonia> no
[20:09] <c0mrade> ikonia: I was expecting something like that.
[20:09] <c0mrade> Not a one-liner.
[20:09] <b-yeezi> For me, I use the rule of  "if I don't need HWE, I stick with the default kernel"
[20:09] <ikonia> b-yeezi: that seems wise
[20:09] <c0mrade> I disagree...
[20:10] <ikonia> then don't do it
[20:10] <ikonia> grab whatever kernel meets your needs
[20:10] <c0mrade> If I see an option that I don't understand, I investigate it, search about it.
[20:10] <c0mrade> I saw this option and I instantly stopped what am doing. I needed to know what is this option all about.
[20:10] <ikonia> great
[20:11] <ikonia> now you know
[20:11] <c0mrade> Yeah, but am just telling you that I didn't get clear answers, answers that I would perfectly understand what it is.
[20:12] <b-yeezi> I have a cheap asus laptop with 16.04. I enables HWE, it wouldn't boot. There is a bug in kernel 4.8 for the atom processor in it. Ever since then, I instituted the rule
[20:12] <c0mrade> Anyway. I'll say thanks to everyone who answered my question.
[20:12] <c0mrade> b-yeezi: Thanks for that tip!
[20:12] <c0mrade> ikonia: ^
[21:42] <l33n> "pm2 list" does nothing
[21:42] <l33n> it prints a new command line
[21:43] <l33n> same thing with "node server.js"
[21:46] <Guma> I was wondering if someone could help me out with figuring out or pointing me to source of problem I have. I just installed 16.04 with RAID 1+0. Installation and setup did go well. I also running KVM on it. My problem is that when I reboot machine RAId goes to rebuild.
[21:46] <Guma> Looking at /proc/mdstat after reboot I see % rebuild.
[21:47] <Guma> That takes about 40 min or so. I have 4 HDD in it and I see [UUUU] indicating it is ok
[21:47] <Guma> Before I reboot host I do shutdown manually guest.
[21:48] <Guma> Not sure where to start about this problem. I am using Intel RAID build to Asus motherboard


[08:29] <dupondje> someone around ? :)
[08:31] <dupondje> gdm seems to be marked as autoremovable
[08:31] <dupondje> even if gnome-shell is installed
[08:31] <dupondje> which shouldn't be the case :)
[10:38] <naushad567> hi
[10:38] <naushad567> anyone here for help
[10:39] <naushad567> ?
[13:38] <asac> everything in good shape for a precise/quantal upgrade?
[13:42] <asac> hmm. update-manager -d doesnt offer me upgrade
[13:43] <asac> anyone knows?
[13:44] <mitya57> works for me
[13:44] <asac> mitya57: precise?
[13:44] <mitya57> asac: yes, right now I'm on precise :)
[13:44] <mitya57> did you do an apt-get update?
[13:45] <asac> yeah
[13:45] <asac> did that
[13:45] <asac> i am all up to date on precise
[13:45] <asac> but update-manager -d doesnt offer me the button that i used to know
[13:45] <asac> intersting
[13:45] <mitya57> does "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" work?
[13:46] <asac> i found it
[13:46] <asac> so in settings there are options "inform me of all new releases", "inform me of LTS releases" "never inform me"
[13:46] <asac> i had LTS selected as i installed this machine with precise in first place
[13:46] <asac> (i changed nothing)
[13:46] <asac> changing it to "inform me of all releases" made the -d flag work :_)
[13:47] <mitya57> ah, that's in "inform me of LTS releases" by default for those who install LTS :)
[13:47] <asac> pitti: ^^ ... not sure who is the update-manager gurut nowadays... maybe show him the above 10 lines
[13:47] <asac> right. but i wouldn't expect it to disable the -d
[13:47] <asac> anyway
[13:47] <asac> found and will give it a try :)
[13:48] <asac> wish me luck
[13:48] <asac> byebye
[13:48] <mitya57> good luck :)
[13:53] <jbicha> asac: that's mentioned at the top of the quantal release notes
[13:55] <jbicha> -d will still work to get you the next LTS before LTS.1 when the next LTS is advertised to everyone running the previous LTS
[14:17] <cyphermox> howdy
[14:51] <dupondje> somebody could check the missing depend on gdm in gnome-shell ? :)
[14:53] <jbicha> dupondje: I uploaded a fix within about an hour of the bug getting filed yesterday, but we're in beta freeze so it needs to be manually accepted
[14:54] <dupondje> allright :)
[15:02] <asac> jbicha: gotcha
[15:02] <asac> so now i have a problem with compiz looping on CPU
[15:14] <MohamedAlaa98> Hello Guys :)
[15:14] <MohamedAlaa98> I want to join GNOME3 Team in launchpad
[15:16] <MohamedAlaa98> anyone?
[15:20] <jbicha> MohamedAlaa98: which team in particular do you want to join and why?
[15:22] <MohamedAlaa98> Gnome3 team
[15:23] <MohamedAlaa98> who packages gnome3 extra apps for ubuntu
[15:24] <MohamedAlaa98> jibcha: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team
[15:24] <MohamedAlaa98> jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team
[15:26] <jbicha> ok, that team is basically for the GNOME3 PPA but you don't have to be a member of that team to contribute
[15:27] <jbicha> just submit merge proposals to the gnome3 or ubuntu-desktop branches
[15:27] <jbicha> do good work like that for a while and then you can apply to join that team
[15:28] <MohamedAlaa98> I want to contribute in packaging
[15:31] <MohamedAlaa98> I don't want to contibute in that way
[15:33] <jbicha> I don't understand what you mean; we need to see good work from you (merge proposals or patches) before we can give you commit access
[15:34] <MohamedAlaa98> ok, got it
[15:34] <MohamedAlaa98> jbicha: thank you :)
[17:13] <mterry> jbicha, yo, just saw your webapps bug
[17:14] <mterry> jbicha, I'm updating my PPA right now with the latest things I pushed to -proposed
[17:14] <mterry> jbicha, I forgot to sync the PPA yesterday
[17:19] <jbicha> mterry: ah, thanks
[17:19] <mterry> jbicha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps/+bug/1054658/comments/2
[17:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054658 in libunity-webapps "Failed to open webapp application path dir /usr/share/ubuntu/unity-webapps/userscripts:" [Undecided,New]
[17:21] <jbicha> I rebuilt libunity-webapps from proposed & was about to post an update about the disappearing amazon launcher
[17:21] <mterry> jbicha, any bugs that I didn't mention I think are unknown
[17:21] <jbicha> it looks like the disappearaing amazon launcher is intentional if you run
[17:22] <jbicha> gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites
[17:22] <mterry> you mean it gets dropped from gsettings?
[17:22] <jbicha> it still seems crazy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1220930/
[17:23] <jbicha> oh maybe that's not intentional, but a side effect
[17:23] <mterry> looks normal?
[17:24] <mterry> I have to jet, but will check back this evening
[17:24] <jbicha> is UbuntuOneMusiconeubuntucom.desktop supposed to be different than ubuntu-amazon-default.desktop
[17:24] <jbicha> it uses xdg-open instead of unity-webapps-runner
[17:24] <mterry> jbicha, you mean different naming scheme?
[17:24] <mterry> oh yeah
[17:25] <mterry> I asked about that too
[17:25] <mterry> yes
[17:25] <mterry> Because amazon looks up local url to us
[17:25] <mterry> e
[17:25] <mterry> so it needs special logic
[17:25] <mterry> whereas the store is just a url
[17:25] <jbicha> this entire feature seems crazy to me
[17:25] <mterry> jbicha, agreed
[17:25] <mterry> jbicha, half part crack, half part magic
[17:25] <Laney> probably ought to do its searches over https at least
[17:25] <mterry> got to go


[15:02] <Brun0L3z> Hello
[15:02] <Brun0L3z>  Hello People, I wrote a java program some years back and exported it as .class now I can't open the .class files to edit the code nor do I have a backup copy. I am using ubuntu and I am having some problems adding the java decompiler to eclipse, any advice?


[17:47] <jforman> hi all. i'm using ubuntu minimal cloud images on libvirt to run kubernetes. i'd like to use kube-router for routing information but it requires ipset in the kernel (at least as a module). by default it's not provided. is there a guide for having a custom kernel in the ubuntu minimal cloud images, or another way to satisfy this requirement? thanks
[19:56] <rfm> jforman,  https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official has instructions for building a custom kernel and turning it into a .deb to install in ubuntu.
[19:58] <rfm> jforman, there's also module-assistant which I used once long ago to build and package just a module;  I don't know if these instructions still work: https://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant
[22:00] <trippeh_> err what: systemd-networkd[7596]: Could not load configuration files: File exists
[22:01] <trippeh_> oh. duplicate vlan name.
[22:02] <trippeh_> error reporting could be improved :P
[22:11] <mason> trippeh_: Come on now. They're focussing on making the network work first. Defining networking from the ground up is serious business.


[04:40] <valorie> KDE isn't getting wire.kubuntu.org anymore
[04:40] <valorie> did we turn that off?
[04:41] <valorie> or did Riddell turn it off?
[05:32] <valorie> by the way, Riddell says "that was starbuck who set it up"
[05:32] <valorie> starbuck11: any input?
[06:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:06] <starbuck11> valorie: yeah, it was a small server with wordpress that was requested quite some time ago and blue systems did sponsor
[07:06] <starbuck11> though i am not aware we removed it on purpose, so i can look why its seems offline and reboot in case it simply hung up
[07:06] <valorie> thanks!
[07:06] <valorie> not sure who runs it on this end
[07:09] <starbuck11> valorie: wouldnt it make sense to transfer the blog content to the new shinier kubuntu website?
[07:10] <valorie> I'm not sure how it is plugged into the website
[07:10] <starbuck11> as i remember kubuntu didnt have such a nice website at that time, so kubuntu wire was some temporary improvement
[07:10] <valorie> but hopefully the website folks -- ahoneybun? will see and investigate
[07:11] <valorie> yeah, it used to suck
[07:11] <valorie> tbh
[07:11] <valorie> now it is great!
[07:11] <valorie> but I don't know about the wire
[07:11] <starbuck11> i agree :)
[07:11] <starbuck11> the wire was making it easy for blogposting news
[07:11] <starbuck11> but you have that now here: http://kubuntu.org/news/
[07:12] <starbuck11> i assume kubuntus new website is also wordpress
[07:12] <starbuck11> so it really doesnt make sense imo to keep both
[07:13] <valorie> I'm not sure -- just the messenger from the sysadmins who wondered why it disappeared
[07:13] <starbuck11> unless there is an "official guideline" what can be posted on news and what could only go to wire
[07:14] <starbuck11> but othrerwise, i suggest that someone might transfer posts from wire to kubuntu and spare the redundancy?
[07:17] <valorie> If nobody responds here, I'll summarize the conversation here and send to the list
[07:18] <valorie> it's after midnight here and I'm winding down
[07:53] <starbuck11> valorie: http://wire.kubuntu.org/
[07:54] <starbuck11> as you can see, news stopped in January, then were picked up again for May...
[07:54] <starbuck11> i guess transfering the posts to kubuntu main wordpress would be logical and somehow doable.
[08:13] <jimarvan> good morning
[08:34] <lordievader> o/
[09:39] <mparillo> What you do not want is identical posts on wire.kubuntu.org and the kubuntu.org/news/ Because then many people get four e-mail alerts (two from http://planet.ubuntu.com/ and two from https://planetkde.org/) and they complain about spam.
[10:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:24] <jimarvan> hey :D
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[10:39] <BluesKaj> ok perhaps you could report the flooding as well :-)
 what flooding?
[10:41] <BluesKaj> kook up
[10:41] <BluesKaj> look even
 What flooding are you talking about?
 these setup commands I just used?
[10:44] <BluesKaj> yes
 those are the commands and replies to set this thing up
[10:45] <BluesKaj> but do they have to be posted here?
 how else am I supposed to set it to work in this channel?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> set what?
 the bot
[10:53] <BluesKaj> oh the bot,,ok now I got it ...
[10:53] <BluesKaj> nevermind :-)
[10:54] <BluesKaj> my apologies ovidiuflorin
[12:34] <acheronuk> Interesting. potential LTS for plasma https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/distributions/2016-June/000115.html
[14:11] <soee> FFmpeg 3.1 Is Primed With New Features: Includes H.264/HEVC VA-API Encoding
[14:14] <mamarley> That sounds like a Phoronix headline.
[14:14] <soee> indeed ;D
[14:53] <clivejo> would someone look into if this patch is still needed - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kde-dev-scripts/tree/debian/patches/append_kde.diff?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[14:55] <ahoneybun> mm?
[14:59] <clivejo> what you mean mm?
[14:59] <ahoneybun> sorry
[14:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: mm what?
[14:59] <ahoneybun> just woke up
[15:00]  * clivejo throws stuff at LP
[15:45] <clivejo> yofel: a few of these failure in manual/ are actually LP errors
[15:46] <clivejo> when the script checked the archive changelog it must have thrown an error
[16:09] <ahoneybun> ovidiuflorin: https://vector.im/
[16:09] <ahoneybun> you can run your own server if you want to'
 ok
 I'll take a more in depth look at it later
[16:10] <ahoneybun> alright
 /me is at work
[18:22] <acheronuk> tidy-html5 copied into yakkety from debian a short while back is causing kde-baseapps to fail to build, as buffio.h is now tidybuffio.h
[18:38] <mamarley> acheronuk: Try yanking in the tidy-html5 package from ppa:mamarley/updates, I already added a fix so I could compile PHP.
[18:39] <mamarley> It is the same fix that the Debian maintainer is going to use; he just hasn't added it yet.
[18:43] <clivejo> acheronuk: is that whats causing kde-baseapps to fail here - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_16.04.2_yakkety.html
[18:43] <acheronuk> yes
[18:45] <mamarley> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827891
[18:46] <mamarley> I applied that fix for version 1:5.2.0-1+ppa0~yakkety0 in ppa:mamarley/updates.  It fixed the PHP compilation and it would probably fix the kde-baseapps compilation too, if you are just compiling in a PPA and can copy that package in.
[18:47] <acheronuk> that package with the bug got copied into yakkety on the 20th I think https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tidy-html5
[18:48] <clivejo> !info kde-specticle
[18:49] <clivejo> !info kde-spectacle
[18:49] <clivejo> mmmm who uploaded that
[18:49] <clivejo> ah phil
[18:53] <clivejo> WWYD
[18:53] <acheronuk> lol
[18:53] <clivejo> that is the question!!
 ahoneybun ping
[18:54] <clivejo> acheronuk: fancy patching kde-base thing-ma-giggy
[18:54] <acheronuk> neon testbuilt Qtbase 5.7 earlier
[18:55] <clivejo> how did it go?
[18:55] <acheronuk> http://archive.neon.kde.org/testing/pool/main/q/qtbase-opensource-src/
[18:56] <acheronuk> They have the rest of QT to do...
[19:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: patch kde-baseapps how? change 'tidy_validator.cpp:#include <buffio.h>' to the new filename?
[19:00] <clivejo> yes
[19:00] <clivejo> via a patch
[19:01] <clivejo> an if statement would be better, but not sure how that would work
[19:01] <acheronuk> did consider that, if you want it working NOW rather than waiting on a fixed tidy
[19:11] <yofel> clivejo: what's wrong with spectacle?
[19:12] <clivejo> nothing, just wondered why the script failed it and LP was rejecting my upload
[19:12] <yofel> o.O
[19:12] <clivejo> turns out its already in the archive
[19:12] <clivejo> magic
[19:13] <ahoneybun> mm I love timezones
[19:13] <ahoneybun> said no one ever
[19:17] <valorie> ahoneybun: did you read up to the discussion about wire.kubuntu.org?
[19:18] <ahoneybun> kinda I felt like I was missing a bit from it though
[19:20] <valorie> it had disappeared, which is why the KDE sysadmins were asking
[19:20] <valorie> I thought Riddell was in charge but he said it was starbuck
[19:21] <valorie> starbuck restarted the machine but asked if it can't just be moved into the website proper
[19:21] <valorie> rather than being on it's own server
[19:23] <ahoneybun> w.k.org?
[19:23] <valorie> yes
[19:23] <valorie> I wasn't aware that it was hosted elsewhere
[19:25] <ahoneybun> me neither
[19:25] <ahoneybun> not sure it is needed anymore like you say, since the site has gotten much prettier
[19:28] <ahoneybun> yofel: want admin access to the Steam group?
[19:28] <yofel> nah, I'm not familiar with group administration so I'll just hang around for now
[19:28] <acheronuk> clivejo: sorry. got sidetracked. Yes, I'll patch that if you want.
[19:29] <ahoneybun> neither am I
[19:29] <ahoneybun> but ack
[19:39] <ahoneybun> yofel has a Windows machine
[19:39] <ahoneybun> !
[19:40] <yofel> yup :P
[19:42] <acheronuk> I have a HD with windows 8.1 on it. somewhere
[20:02]  * clivejo gasps
[20:03] <acheronuk> scandalous
[20:05]  * valorie thinks there is Win10 on this laptop
[20:05] <valorie> dunno, never booted into it
[20:06] <clivejo> format it
[20:06] <clivejo> get rid
[20:06] <clivejo> do it valorie, you know you want to
[20:06]  * clivejo waves arms about like Spectic Peg
[20:06] <valorie> I have plenty of room
[20:07] <valorie> and it's possible I'll be able to test KDE stuff in windows in the future
[20:07] <acheronuk> tempted on the win 8.1 disk
[20:07] <acheronuk> or I could upgrade it to win10
[20:08] <valorie> the kde-win team is re-energized, which is good for all KDE lovers who have to use Win at work or so
[20:17] <aektzim> hmm this is wierd, I thought i switched off my laptop at the office (jimarvan here)
[20:17] <aektzim> oh well, good evening! :D
[20:18] <acheronuk> evening :)
[20:18] <aektzim> still 1-2?
[20:19] <acheronuk> football? don't know. don't care.
[20:19] <aektzim> hahaha :D
[20:26] <yofel> me neither, that's why I'm playing rocket leage :P
[20:27] <aektzim> oh come on it is a nice sport :P
[20:27] <aektzim> but not when england plays like that... xD
[20:28] <aektzim> buuuut they win on bets lol
[20:48] <clivejo> hummm where is libgrantlee hiding
[20:51] <clivejo> here grantlee grantlee
[20:53] <genii> !info libgrantlee
[20:53] <genii> Hm
[20:54] <acheronuk> !info grantlee
[20:55] <acheronuk> Hm * 2
[20:59] <yofel> that was a thing..
[21:00] <yofel> !info libgrantlee5-dev
[21:00] <yofel> the libs have long names
[21:20] <clivejo> 5.0.0?
[21:21] <clivejo> oh its libkf5grantleetheme I cant find
[21:38] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkf5grantleetheme
[21:41] <clivejo> already done too
[22:31] <clivejo> anyone see what causing this to fail to build from source - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/268224600/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kdesdk-kioslaves_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:32] <clivejo> and this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/268225083/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kdewebdev_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:45] <yofel> clivejo: /«PKGBUILDDIR»/svn/svn.cpp:112:49: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘const svn_sort__item_t {aka const struct svn_sort__item_t}’ and others
[22:45] <yofel> latter is /«PKGBUILDDIR»/klinkstatus/src/tidy/tidyx.h:52:20: fatal error: buffio.h: No such file or directory
[22:45] <clivejo> ah
[22:46] <clivejo> acheronuk's friend
[22:46] <yofel> protip: search for "error:" (with the colon)
[22:48] <clivejo> good tip, thanks!
[22:50] <clivejo> yofel: what about this one? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/268238272/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kdeedu-data_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:00] <clivejo> ah qt base
[23:00] <clivejo> too tired for this, heading to bed
[23:01] <clivejo> acheronuk: if you get a chance to patch those two packages ( kdesdk-kioslaves and kdewebdev ) I think apps would be almost ready to go
[23:08] <aektzim> gn! :)
[23:28] <acheronuk> clivejo: I'll have a look in the morning