[00:00] <kklimonda> hmm.. Ademan: you could ask doko (Matthias Klose) about status of Eclipse in Debian/Ubuntu. I can see that he has done some work 2 weeks ago in package's repository
[00:01] <billybigrigger_> if the package is in debian unstable you can file a merge request
[00:01] <kklimonda> it isn't
[00:28] <Protector1981> anyone has this problem? http://protector.pastebin.com/m746e0093
[02:26] <veck> any wat to configure ubuntu specificly for my machinr?
[02:27] <veck> cannot remeber what its called but it is done through terminal?
[04:15] <syn-ack> Good evening
[04:17] <syn-ack> question... which kernel version has been decided upon for the freeze?
[04:19] <RAOF> We currently have 2.6.31.  I believe that is the version we plan to ship.
[04:19] <rww> Yeah, I've heard 2.6.31 too.
[04:20] <RAOF> There's a page on the Ubuntu wiki about it if you want something official.
[04:20] <syn-ack> ah, ok, the last I had heard they wernt sure if it was going to .31 or .32 so I figured I would ask
[04:26]  * DanaG wonders when 2.3.31-rc3 will be.
[04:27] <DanaG> http://osdir.com/ml/linux-kernel/2009-07/msg02581.html
[04:27] <DanaG> I need this fixed.  =þ
[04:27] <syn-ack> Dana, I rather prefer and miss the Old Kernel Release Schedule
[04:29] <DanaG> What's that?
[04:29] <syn-ack> Odds and evens.
[04:30] <DanaG> er
[04:30] <DanaG> s/3/6/
[04:30] <syn-ack> Two seperate branches, not developing off the current stable branch, you know smart shit like that
[04:30] <DanaG> Can't say I'd noticed much of a change.
[04:31] <syn-ack> DanaG: heh
[04:31] <syn-ack> I havce
[04:31] <syn-ack> have, too
[04:31] <syn-ack> 2.6.6 is one prime example
[04:31] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659
[04:32] <syn-ack> DanaG: Of course, thats just my two cents
[04:48] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18047
[04:48] <DanaG> hah, gotta' love the ignorant bashing of PulseAudio... which happens to be one way to fix exactly the problem the person gripes about.
[04:54] <syn-ack> DanaG: I personally dont see the need for Pulse
[04:54] <DanaG> It's awesome for multi-audio-device stuff.
[04:54] <syn-ack> ah
[04:54] <DanaG> And for remixing M streams to N speakers.
[04:54] <syn-ack> yeah, I dont do any of that, so yeah...
[04:54] <RAOF> Or for streaming across the network.
[04:54] <DanaG> Where M != N.
[04:56] <syn-ack> Someone wanna tell me if I'm blind or if there really is no config menu entry for gdm in Karmic...
[04:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I tried the AirPort Express support, and it had rather horrid (1.5 second!) lag.
[04:57] <syn-ack> DanaG: on a brighter note, the ath5k driver is sooooo much nicer than in mainline. :P
[04:59]  * DanaG has an Intel 5300.
[05:02] <syn-ack> So, am I just blind or can one not configure the GDM login screen or even customise it...
[05:02] <DanaG> You can, but it's not obvious how.
[05:03] <syn-ack> So how would I go about it?
[05:03] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202843&page=42
[05:07] <syn-ack> Hrm
[05:07] <syn-ack> I dont seem to have the extension installed for gnome control center
[05:08] <DanaG> Try xterm instead of gnome-control-center
[05:08] <DanaG> then you can run gnome-appearance-preferences or gconf-editor from there.
[05:12] <syn-ack> Dana I did fire up from commandline as per that wiki entry
[05:12] <syn-ack> this is the error I got: http://meskes.pastebin.com/d53365b38
[05:14] <DanaG> Is your desktop AT the login screen?
[05:14] <DanaG> It has to actually be sitting at the login screen for it to work.
[05:15] <syn-ack> ugh, ok
[05:15] <syn-ack> standby
[05:15] <syn-ack> yeah, no dice...
[05:16] <syn-ack> All Im trying to do is reset my autologin
[05:17] <DanaG> Oh, that's a bit different.
[05:17] <DanaG> That needs the gdm custom.conf file.
[05:17] <DanaG> http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/812/
[05:18] <syn-ack> aha, great. Thanks.
[05:25] <syn-ack> Not quite as gracefull as I was hoping
[05:34]  * DanaG likes his funky compiz profile.
[05:35] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Dana_Compiz.profile
[05:35] <DanaG> Actually, quick way to get a sense of how it's set: open it as a text file.
[05:40] <syn-ack> hrm
[05:40] <syn-ack> this kinda irritating, actually
[05:42] <DanaG> what?
[05:42] <DanaG> oh, and it's a good idea to export your own profile for safekeeping, just for the heck of it.
[05:43] <syn-ack> Just trying to get gdm to work like it did before I upgraded
[05:43] <DanaG> Or for in case you ever accidentally choose one of the options in Appearance Properties window.
[05:43] <syn-ack> DanaG: I do that on all my systems at first install
[05:43] <DanaG> Ah.  Yeah, GDM has changed a lot.
[05:43] <DanaG> I find my profile has a nifty mix of "shinyness" and not-insanity.
[05:44] <syn-ack> I get an error regarding simple-window something or another as well, and I'm trying to figure that one out
[05:44] <syn-ack> and its a gdm error too... quite irritating
[05:44] <DanaG> yeah, that one is from metacity.
[05:44] <syn-ack> Im not even using metacity though
[05:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gdm/+bug/395324
[05:45] <syn-ack> Im using compiz/fusion
[05:45] <DanaG> GDM is, though.
[05:45] <syn-ack> I had it set up to use compiz
[05:45] <syn-ack> so, either way it was doing it
[05:45] <DanaG> Checkbox for gdm using compiz... didn't actually work.
[05:46] <syn-ack> No wonder I couldnt find that metacity error looking at this...
[05:47] <syn-ack> /usr/share/blah/blah/mile_long$PATH
[05:51] <syn-ack> wow, ok, cool. Fixed enough for gov't work
[05:51] <syn-ack> Thanks for the help DanaG
[05:52] <DanaG> Or alternately:
[05:52] <DanaG> symlink that metacity.desktop to the compiz.desktop
[05:52] <DanaG> wherever that may be.
[05:52] <syn-ack> nah, this works well enough
[05:55] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png
[05:57] <syn-ack> That right there, is more or less the EXACT same way I have mine set up
[06:01] <DanaG> oh yeah, the globe thingy with question-mark is service-discovery-applet.
[06:01] <DanaG> oh, and for some reason, the full battery is showing the "empty" icon.
[06:04] <syn-ack> hrm
[06:17] <DanaG> I like having a non-glossy theme.  Much easier on the eyes.
[06:17] <DanaG> Oh, and high-dpi display for-the-win.
[06:18] <DanaG> Desktop font is set to 9 pt, 147 DPI.  Real display is... 147 DPI.
[06:18] <DanaG> Just as it should be.
[06:38] <andresmh> I had set up synchronization on Tomboy using a local folder. I reinstalled Ubuntu and I pointed Tomboy to the same folder and it fails synching. Error message is empty. ANy ideas?
[08:12] <Ademan> kklimonda: hrm yeah, I don't actually even use eclipse, i was just going to play around with pydev for fun, but day to day i use vim... it seems like *someone* has got to need eclipse though, I can't believe no one's stepped up...
[08:14] <kklimonda> Ademan: afair it's a hard package to build from source and maintain
[08:14] <kklimonda> Ademan: it's easier to unpack it to ~/eclipse/
[08:17] <LLStarks> this bug needs to die: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7607475
[08:20] <RAOF> Also, eclipse _also_ builds libswt-gtk, so it needs special care in order to not break lots of other software.
[08:51] <Alocado> hello
[08:52] <Alocado> i'm using karmic and have a problem booting the 2.6.31-* kernels, i get an error message like "ata1: illegal qc_active transition".. anybody who knows about this error?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> Alocado: ask in ubuntu-kernel
[09:07] <Alocado> k
[09:08] <Alocado> third try ;)
[11:29] <Lademord> woohoo, I'
[11:29] <Lademord> ve just had system sound for the first time in THREE YEARS!
[11:31] <Lademord> Also, every time I boot up karmic I get some kind of warning about gdm-simple-greeter not supporting session-something and having to be restarted..
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> thats normal Lademord
[11:32] <Lademord> Ah okay
[11:32] <Lademord> I assume it'll be fixed before rc though :)
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> yep
[11:33] <|ns|nR8> windows 7 and 9.10 will be official within a week of each other
[11:33] <|ns|nR8> sounds like a good time to reformat the drive and start again
[11:34] <|ns|nR8> 3 months away
[11:39] <eagles0513875> hehe
[11:40] <Lademord> I'm running beta of both here :)
[11:42] <eagles0513875> nice i cant wait till win 7 comes out so i can get off vista and use my ram more efficiently
[11:42] <eagles0513875> i have 8gb in this desktop lol running vista 64bit atm
[11:43] <eagles0513875> guys has anyone tested out lmms on karmic yet
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> i got 4 gig ram..im still runnin 32 bit os's
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> ill make the switch in october
[11:46] <Lademord> I don't find Win7 as fantastic as everybody claims.. I've got several issues with stuff from XP which doesn't work anymore (or perhaps that's because I'm running 64bit now...)
[11:47] <|ns|nR8> 7 has better battery life on laptop...and loads faster, looks nicer
[11:47] <|ns|nR8> thats enough to convince me
[11:48] <|ns|nR8> more than 4 gig ram would be overkill for everyday use ?
[11:49] <|ns|nR8> only so much windows will cache in ram
[11:49] <Lademord> You can never have too much RAM
[11:49] <Lademord> :)
[11:49] <|ns|nR8> haha
[11:55] <eagles0513875> Lademord: you run with compatibility enabled
[11:55] <eagles0513875> Lademord: when using vista it uses 2gb outa the box
[11:55] <eagles0513875> for me at least
[11:55] <eagles0513875> then i have a tendency to multitask and i end up using 70% of the 8gb
[11:55] <Lademord> Okay that's just plain stupid.. An OS shouldn't use that much RAM on its own!
[11:56] <Lademord> I love Ubuntu for being relatively low on the requirements
[11:58] <amortvigil> does 9.10 may break my system of certanly break it?
[11:58] <amortvigil> certainly
[11:58] <|ns|nR8> vista will easy use 2 gig for pre caching data...when its only really needs 400MB
[11:58] <Lademord> amortvigil, It may break it. Alpha2 is still unstable as hell.
[11:58] <|ns|nR8> the alpha is certainly messed up
[11:59] <amortvigil> to bad
[11:59] <Lademord> ..but I upgraded anyway because after three years of waiting ALSA now finally supports my sound card!
[11:59] <amortvigil> because 9.04 is still unusable to me
[11:59] <amortvigil> some network errors
[11:59] <|ns|nR8> latest kernel version supports some features in my hardware for the first time aswell
[11:59] <amortvigil> wich cause my system to break
[11:59] <yofel> amortvigil: you should try it out in a virtual machine first to check if you can use it
[12:00] <yofel> then you might want to think about upgrading
[12:00] <amortvigil> yofel: smart idea
[12:00] <yofel> My Thinkpad can finally suspend without errors after 2 years of using ubuntu
[12:01] <amortvigil> is there a new artwork?
[12:01] <yofel> it got better with jaunty, but karmic really fixed it.
[12:01] <amortvigil> what kind of errors are the worst at the moment?
[12:01] <yofel> amortvigil: not that much, the only big change is that GDM can't be configured by GUI
[12:02] <amortvigil> lol
[12:02] <amortvigil> and does the new boot method work?
[12:02] <eagles0513875> there is also the big annoyance at least on kde the plasma-widget-network-manager wont connecto to wpa encrypted wifi connections
[12:03] <yofel> hm, then there's the transition from hal to devicekit that's messing with drive mounting...
[12:04] <yofel> ok, g-p-m seems to be finally fixed here with todays update and doesn't crash anymore
[12:04] <|ns|nR8> prolly be a hug mess till beta
[12:04] <|ns|nR8> again
[12:05] <yofel> true
[12:07] <Lademord> When's the beta planned for?
[12:07] <|ns|nR8> start of oct
[12:11] <Lademord> damn
[12:11] <Lademord> that's a very long time
[12:12] <yofel> Lademord: see the karmic release schedule in the topic
[12:29] <eagles0513875> anyone else trying out the google chrome daily builds
[12:30] <yofel> eagles0513875: the chromium ones yes
[12:30] <eagles0513875> yofel: is the reaload button working and other stuff like that for ya
[12:30] <eagles0513875> cuz for me they arent working for some reason
[12:32] <yofel> eagles0513875: the build from yesterday works fine here
[12:32] <eagles0513875> strange the one in the ppa then is broken
[12:32] <eagles0513875> or incomplete cuz refresh isnt working for me either that or the ia32libs are bugged
[12:46] <Q-FUNK> apw: please let me know if you need any more info to solve bug #396286 :)
[12:48] <eagles0513875> hey yofel you running 32bit or 64bit
[12:51] <yofel> eagles0513875: 64
[12:52] <eagles0513875> strange
[12:52] <eagles0513875> cuz im having issues and i am on 20090712r20470-0ubuntu1-ucd1 version of it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Q-FUNK: the kernenl guys will let you know on the bug report what info is needed
[12:54] <Q-FUNK> gnomefreak: yes and that would be apw, who has responded to both of my kernel bug reports.
[12:55] <eagles0513875> yofel: when you installed karmic was it an upgrade from jaunty or clean install
[13:16] <yofel> eagles0513875: I first upgraded to karmic from jaunty short after alpha1, then did a clean install of alpha2 a few days ago because some things were broken beyond repair.
[13:16] <eagles0513875> ya seems like chomium is broken cuz i upgraded from jaunty to karmic
[13:16] <eagles0513875> does this warrent a bug report
[13:55] <Lademord> yofel I'm considering doing a clean install of alpha2 as well in order to get rid of any redundant code (including OSS) that has been left behind from jaunty
[13:56] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[13:56] <eagles0513875> last i heard though the cd wasnt working for alpha 2
[13:56]  * maxb notes that it's less than 2 weeks until alpha 3
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hi eagles
[14:02] <yofel> the cd for alpha 2 works fine (at least from usb, thats all i tested). The dialy images are broken all the time
[14:02] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hmm, I just upgrade everyday , every thing seems ok , except plasma still crashes , but recovers on it own
[14:14] <cbr> hello
[14:15] <yofel> hi cbr
[14:15] <cbr> the "Starting kernel event manager" stage of the boot returns [fail] 70% of times
[14:15] <cbr> which makes stuff not work obviously
[14:15] <cbr> what could be the problem?
[14:24] <cbr> also, logrotate doesn't work
[14:24] <cbr> my logs are 200MB+ in size
[14:34] <eagles0513875> what version of qt is in karmic
[14:34] <eagles0513875> !qt
[14:35] <eagles0513875> !info qt
[14:35] <maxb> eagles0513875: Use packages.ubuntu.com or rmadison
[14:35] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:37] <eagles0513875> maxb: i know bout those sites but there are quite a few qt packages available in regards to qt4
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hey oldude67 , welcome !
[15:07] <oldude67> hello
[15:08] <BluesKaj> nice to see other older ppl with an interest in Linux
[15:15] <eagles0513875> heheh BluesKaj :)
[15:15] <eagles0513875> what ya working on today BluesKaj
[15:17] <BluesKaj> actually I'm waiting for the rain to stop , so I can go out to fix some window trim that's come loose :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> other than that I'm enjoying some coffee
[15:24] <eagles0513875> coffee is always good
[15:24] <eagles0513875> have you given chromium-browsers a spin yet
[15:25] <JonDoe297> eagles0513875: I heard that it has a flash support now
[15:25] <eagles0513875> ya but im having some issues with it im starting to think its related to the upgrade from jaunty to karmic i did
[15:26] <eagles0513875> here is the link to the ppa for it https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[15:26] <JonDoe297> I know about it, but thanks :)
[15:26] <eagles0513875> no prob
[15:26] <JonDoe297> I tried Chrome a few days ago, but dropped it
[15:26] <eagles0513875> are you on a clean install of karmic or upgraded version
[15:26] <JonDoe297> upgraded from jaunty
[15:27] <eagles0513875> did you have issues with  some of the buttons cuz i am havin gsome issues with the refresh button not working
[15:27] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj welcome back
[15:27] <JonDoe297> nope
[15:28] <eagles0513875> interesting
[15:28] <JonDoe297> I have some strange issues with my keyboard and mouse, but it's not Ubuntu-related methink :)
[15:28] <eagles0513875> hehe
[15:28] <maxb> clean installs are massively overrated
[15:28] <JonDoe297> so, about Chromium
[15:28] <JonDoe297> I dropped it because of horrible font rendering :(
[15:28] <eagles0513875> strange
[15:29] <maxb> Except for one point where I *had* to reinstall to switch from i386 to amd64, I've gone step-by-step all the way from dapper->karmic
[15:29] <eagles0513875> nice but you try out chromium-browser
[15:29] <JonDoe297> I think that I will try it tommorow
[15:30] <eagles0513875> how can i run chromium-browser through gdb it was saying something about not being an executable
[15:32] <JonDoe297> maxb: and how are you with amd64? :)
[15:32] <maxb> ?
[15:32] <yofel> eagles0513875: you could try to attach gdb to the process after starting chromium
[15:32] <JonDoe297> I mean, overall experience :) Faster than i386, etc?
[15:33] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:33] <eagles0513875> i was trying to do gdb chromium-browser and then use r to run it
[15:33] <eagles0513875> JonDoe297: 64bit = nice but there some things still missing which are now getting fixed like flash being one
[15:33] <JonDoe297> oh, flash
[15:33] <eagles0513875> they now have 64bit for it though
[15:36] <eagles0513875> ok thats messed up now it seems to work
[15:36] <eagles0513875> so no issue here then
[15:37] <JonDoe297> eagles0513875: have you tried Namoroka?
[15:37] <JonDoe297> I'm using it now :)
[15:38] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:38] <eagles0513875> wtf is that
[15:38] <JonDoe297> "Firefox 3.6"
[15:38] <JonDoe297> but for now, it's branded as Minefield :)
[15:39] <arand_> I'm getting some errors updating update-motd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216980/
[15:39] <eagles0513875> im on 3.5 i believe
[15:40] <JonDoe297> I still have old Firefox (3.0.11) for backup :)
[15:41] <eagles0513875> hehe
[15:44] <Lademord> I still have old firefox for backup because I don't dare delete it out of fear that my computer explodes or something
[15:52] <eagles0513875> heheh Lademord chromium is working now refresh wise
[16:07] <Lademord> I know it has probably been discussed a thousand times before, but why is there both Chromium and Chrome? Which is best?
[16:08] <JMFTheVCI> Just updated with the latest set of fixes. When I perform an administrative task (eg synaptic) via the menus I am prompted for my password which it then says is incorrect. Yet if I do the same with sudo synaptic in a terminal it accepts my password. Anyone seen this?
[16:09] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: karmic? what does the terminal print if you run "gksu id" ?
[16:09] <JonDoe297> Lademord: Chromium is for "daily testing", Chrome is more "stable"
[16:09] <JonDoe297> or I'm wrong?
[16:11] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: If I start a new terminal it prompts me for my password which it believes is wrong. If I do sudo gksu id then it works (but obviously responds uid=0)
[16:11] <JMFTheVCI> The sudo accepts my password.
[16:12] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: no output from gksu id when the password is (said to be) wrong?
[16:12] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: what version libgksu2-0 do you use?
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> mvs: libgksu2-0-1ubuntu
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> (karmic alpha 2 + fixes to date)
[16:14] <arand_> JMFTheVCI: I'm having the exact same issue here
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> Aha! not alone!
[16:16] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: the last two attempts at gksu id with a clean (closed & re-opened) terminal have been returning uid=0
[16:18] <JMFTheVCI> also I am getting a crash report about something but I cannot report it because my password is not being accepted!
[16:18] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: libgksu2-0-1ubuntu <- which ubuntu revision is that, its most likely got cut off from dpkg, dpkg -l libgksu2-0 |more should display all of it
[16:18] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: do you get the prompt back when you run "sudo -k" ?
[16:18] <arand_> mvo: JMFTheVCI: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/217001/ << output from gksu -d id
[16:19] <JMFTheVCI> mvo 2.0.12-1ubuntu2
[16:20] <mvo> arand_: thanks - hm, so this is what it prints and it does display a dialog?
[16:21] <JMFTheVCI_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/217007/
[16:21] <mvo> JMFTheVCI: thanks - this problem smelled a lot like a bug that got fixed in the -1ubuntu2 version. but it appears that this is no tthe case (at least for you)
[16:21] <mvo> anything uncommon in your sudo config?
[16:21] <JMFTheVCI> not changed from default installation
[16:21] <arand_> arand_: That is the output of one failed attmept and then cancel... but I actually think that that is the standard output from it...
[16:22]  * arand_ wonders why he is speaking to himself
[16:23] <eagles0513875> hahah arand
[16:24] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: when I enter "sudo -k" I am returned to my standard "$" prompt.
[16:24] <eagles0513875> JMFTheVCI: same issue with sudo -i
[16:24] <arand_> mvo: http://pastebin.com/f55bf56b8
[16:25] <JMFTheVCI> eagles...: "sudo -i" prompts for password, and accepts it, then tells me about ubuntu software being free.
[16:25] <eagles0513875> but are you in root JMFTheVCI
[16:25] <arand_> mvo: nothing strange as far as I can tell...
[16:25] <eagles0513875> and i can confirum that sudo -k takes ya back ot the standard prompt
[16:26] <mvo> arand_, JMFTheVCI: I do a fresh test install (automatic, will take ~30min or so) and check out if I can reproduce it, thanks
[16:27] <JMFTheVCI> eagles: no I am just me (uid=500)
[16:27] <JMFTheVCI> sorry uid=1000
[16:28] <eagles0513875> strange
[16:28] <eagles0513875> anyway i have to go for now :( but ill bbl
[16:28] <arand_> already three bugs on lp about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/398849 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/398800
[16:30] <JMFTheVCI> arand_: tried a search but not with the right words. Those are most certainly matching.
[16:31] <JMFTheVCI> "gksudo gedit" fails. "sudo gedit" works.
[16:32] <JMFTheVCI> mvo: when running "gksudo gedit" in terminal, "GNOME_SUDO_PASS" is seen followed by "sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts"
[16:33] <arand_> gonna mark as confirmed for now.
[16:34] <yofel> cool, my wifi firmware locked up o.O  1690 root      15  -5     0    0    0 R  100  0.0  16:33.92 iwlagn
[16:34] <Supersaiyan_IV> yofel, that happens quite a lot with iwlagn
[16:34] <yofel> Supersaiyan_IV: first time for me that it gets 100%
[16:35] <yofel> or maybe I just got lucky till now ^^
[16:35] <Supersaiyan_IV> yofel, look at bug #275359
[16:35] <yofel> Supersaiyan_IV: thx
[16:43] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI: gksu gedit works
[16:44] <charlie-tca> robin0800: with today's updates?
[16:45]  * arand_ marks another dupe
[16:45] <charlie-tca> broken here, bug 398849
[16:46] <JMFTheVCI> robin0800: gksu gedit does not work. sodo gedit does work
[16:46] <JMFTheVCI> The problem appears to be in gksu as bug 398849 indicates.
[16:48] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI: I updated this morning but just checked now and there is a lot more will update and try again
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I just ran those updates here. gksu stays broken, can't use Synaptic Package Manager either
[16:51] <robin0800> I have to reboot
[16:52] <Sarvatt> hmm shutdown and restart are broken here too
[16:52] <Sarvatt> (via gnome menus)
[16:53] <JonDoe297> Sarvatt: yeah, I've just tried to restart a few minutes ago, and no luck :)
[17:25] <michaelfavia> update-manager and synaptic keep attempting ot perform upgrades to the koala alpha im runing that remve system meta packages like "system-services", etc. i realize this might be a sideeffect of not having the deps inline yet. whould i allow it to happen or wait till it isnt required anymore?
[17:26] <michaelfavia> just wanted to know what the normal workflow was.
[17:31] <charlie-tca> michaelfavia: I run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade once or twice a day, and just let karmic update what it wants to
[17:32] <charlie-tca> As packages are changed, some of those will not be used anymore
[17:32] <michaelfavia> charlie-tca, understood. just wanted to make sure that certain deps werent temporarily ditched by the reconciliation tools.
[17:32] <michaelfavia> will do then
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Can't be sure of anything in alpha
[17:33] <michaelfavia> of course. but i wanted to knwo how everyone else tracked it
[17:33] <michaelfavia> meaning what the most desirable/supported fashion was
[17:33] <Sarvatt> karmic-changes mailing list is how i check if its intended or not
[17:34] <michaelfavia> Sarvatt, should subscribe then... good call
[17:34] <michaelfavia> thx
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Changes come is so fast at times, you just update and hope it works. Todays updates broke gksu
[17:34] <Sarvatt> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives//karmic-changes/2009-July/date.html
[17:42] <michaelfavia> brb restart now :)
[18:22] <rski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250
[18:22] <rski> reported this way back
[18:27] <charlie-tca> rski: Maybe you could expain more in the report what the actual problem is. All I see is a couple of questions
[18:29] <rski> i can't use svgalib-apps
[18:34] <kholerabbi1> rski: you could include simple steps to reproduce the issue
[18:38] <Zorael^2> Should all packages that are supposed to be present in Karmic have hit the repos already? I.e, is a package present in Jaunty and mising in Karmic just saying that "it's not done yet", or is it worthy of a bug/wishlist report?
[18:38] <Zorael^2> (xshodo)
[18:50] <arand_> I'm failing to  update update-motd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/216980/
[19:04] <Zorael^2> arand: 'sudo service update-motd stop', then 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[19:11] <Regel> So, how stable is 9.10 atm? Im considering installing it as a primary system on my laptop
[19:11] <rski> expect it to brake
[19:11] <Regel> i still got my desktop, though, so no worries
[19:12] <yofel> Regel: I use it as my primary desktop, but stable: no
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> its pretty stable for an alpha imo
[19:12] <Regel> more stable than 9.04 at the same point?
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> i haven't had any showstopper problems here........yet
[19:12] <billybigrigger_> :P
[19:12] <yofel> billybigrigger_: well, if you don't count gdm and devkit - yes :P
[19:13] <SeveredCross> GDM is pretty unstable.
[19:13] <billybigrigger_> how so? no problems here with it
[19:13] <billybigrigger_> except for the gdm-greeter bug
[19:14] <SeveredCross> Actually, it might be X.
[19:14] <SeveredCross> But I often get dropped back to GDM randomly.
[19:14] <billybigrigger_> intel/ati/nvidia?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> gtk is breaking a lot of things, too
[19:14] <yofel> charlie-tca: wasn't most of that fixed already?
[19:14] <SeveredCross> ATI.
[19:14] <protector1981> gdm doesnt work on my laptop :(
[19:14] <protector1981> intel graphics
[19:14] <Regel> :(
[19:15] <protector1981> but have karmic notebook not here ;)
[19:15] <billybigrigger_> SeveredCross, is that an ati only thing? nvidia here, and i have once been dropped back to gdm
[19:15] <charlie-tca> blank cd's don't get recognized, I think the fix for gksu is out now
[19:15] <SeveredCross> billybigrigger_: Might be.
[19:15] <yofel> well, on my eeePC, intel graphics got much better with karmic
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Also, gnumeric is broken because of gtk
[19:15] <yofel> UXA is much more stable and works fine together with KMS here
[19:15] <billybigrigger_> SeveredCross, i read that again, i meant, i have yet once been dropped back, meaning never
[19:16] <billybigrigger_> SeveredCross, too early :P
[19:17] <billybigrigger_> gdm updates are coming
[19:17] <Sarvatt> theres some major backend changes being done (devicekit transition, moving things from hal to udev, policykit-1), i'd say its a little less unstable than jaunty at the same time personally but there arent any really major things that make it unusable on any of my systems
[19:17] <billybigrigger_> seems quite a few bug fixes
[19:18] <Sarvatt> oh yeah and gdm getting upgraded from the 1.5 year old version in jaunty of course :)
[19:19] <Sarvatt> less less stable, sorry
[19:20] <Lademord> Is there any guarantee that alpha3 is more stable than alpha2? (i.e. if I wait until alpha3 to do a clean install, will I risk breaking something that worked with alpha2?)
[19:21] <billybigrigger_> should technically have less problems
[19:21] <Lademord> cool
[19:21] <billybigrigger_> but...who knows
[19:21] <hggdh> but nothing is guaranteed
[19:21] <billybigrigger_> exactly
[19:21] <Sarvatt> no real reason to wait, its just a snapshot in time that you could have by upgrading along the way :D
[19:21] <Lademord> Nah, I know. It is, after all, just alpha
[19:22] <charlie-tca> but the risk is always there if running alpha. If it worked yesterday, it might break today
[19:22] <Lademord> Sarvatt, I want to do a clean install to get rid of redundant code (and OSS) from jaunty
[19:22] <billybigrigger_> Lademord, what Sarvatt said, a clean install of an A2 disk upgraded will be the EXACT same system as a clean install of A3
[19:22] <Sarvatt> you could download a daily livecd and install from there
[19:23] <charlie-tca> The new libgksu update is out. It fixes the gksu issue
[19:23] <Sarvatt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:24] <Sarvatt> i would wait until tomorrows image though
[19:24] <Lademord> Cool. I'll try that
[19:24] <Lademord> Sarvatt, why is that?
[19:24] <Sarvatt> unless you want to upgrade right after installing :D
[19:24] <billybigrigger_> Sarvatt, hey, how often is linus's tree updated? http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/35294/ has a patch for my camera module and some more gspca stuff....but i haven't seen it anywhere else, i guess i could patch the files myself and recompile yes?
[19:24] <Lademord> ah, in that way
[19:24] <Sarvatt> that gksu problem people were talking about
[19:25] <Sarvatt> there were a _ton_ of upgrades today since that image
[19:25] <billybigrigger_> 60+mb for me
[19:26] <hggdh> billybigrigger_: it depends on the kernel maintainers; here we will usually wait for a RC; if a kernel fix is critical enough, it may be cherry picked, thou
[19:26] <billybigrigger_> meh, ill wait for rc3
[19:27] <Lademord> Sarvatt, when is the image updated?
[19:28] <Sarvatt> every morning
[19:28] <Sarvatt> same time thats listed there
[19:29] <yofel> hm, any reason why the mainline builds of 2.6.31-rc1/2 are amd64 only?
[19:29] <Sarvatt> because i915 wasnt building against the gcc version they used to build them, its fixed now
[19:29] <yofel> ah ok :)
[19:29] <Sarvatt> theres a rc1-fixed on there
[19:30] <Sarvatt> you're in a karmic channel though, why are you using those on karmic? :D
[19:32] <yofel> Sarvatt: was just curious why there's no x86 build, I use them on my jaunty machine which is amd64 thankfully ;)
[19:32] <Sarvatt> they're made for jaunty and use the old jaunty configs
[19:32] <Sarvatt> ah, yeah you can get the mainline daily kernels for i386 if you need, rc3 will work when its released too
[19:33] <arand> Zorael^2: Cheers I'll try that (update-motd) when I get the can online again.
[19:38] <SwedeMike> anyone know anything about if karmic will include support for dhcpv6 so one can get dns-server etc using ipv6 only?
[19:38] <SwedeMike> 9.04 isn't really that good when it comes to v6 support
[19:45] <BUGabundo> bom fim de tarde :)
[19:46] <BUGabundo> sou gksu bitten us in the behind :(
[19:46] <BUGabundo> is it fixed yet?
[19:47] <Zorael^2> Is the OpenJDK 64-bit IcedTea java browser plugin working for anyone?
[19:49] <SeveredCross> Bleh. Anyone else experiencing issues with that ear candy applet?
[19:50] <SeveredCross> It really messes with my volume.
[19:53] <arand> BUGabundo: dunno if it's hit mirrors yet.
[19:53] <BUGabundo> I use main
[19:53] <BUGabundo> but thanks arand
[19:53] <BUGabundo> haven't seen you around much
[19:53] <BUGabundo> yofel: eheh I got 200 load avg yesterday
[19:54] <BUGabundo> something is REALLY BAD
[19:54] <yofel> BUGabundo: hehe, I left my notebook running and the load went down to ~1800...
[19:55] <yofel> have to restart now though, my wifi firmware got stuck *-.-
[19:55] <yofel> i suspect the 'linux-firmware' update today at fault for that...
[19:56] <BUGabundo> I'm suspectign NM
[19:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: using 0.7, 0.7.1 or 0.8?
[19:57] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo, do you have metacity listed in ps aux | grep metacity ?
[19:58] <BUGabundo> CPU | sys     65% | user     94% | irq       1% | idle     40% | wait      0% |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> cpu | sys     33% | user     48% | irq       0% | idle     18% | cpu000 w  0% |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> cpu | sys     33% | user     46% | irq       0% | idle     21% | cpu001 w  0% |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> CPL | avg1   0.69 | avg5    1.01 | avg15   0.97 | csw   132828 | intr   20320 |
[19:58] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: let me check
[19:58] <yofel> BUGabundo: 0.7.1
[19:58] <Sarvatt> its running and causing 100% cpu usage (split between core)
[19:58] <Sarvatt> when you have compiz enabled
[19:58] <Sarvatt> sudo killall -9 metacity should fix it if so
[19:58] <BUGabundo> $ top | grep metaci
[19:58] <BUGabundo>  5363 bugabund 6448 4952 150m  20   0 R  1.9  0.2   0:00.02 metacity
[19:58] <Sarvatt> yep
[19:58] <BUGabundo> I noticed on my bootcharts I have both metacity and compiz
[19:58] <BUGabundo> no idea why
[19:58] <Sarvatt> kill it, watch the cpu usage drop dramatically :)
[19:58] <Sarvatt> its a metacity bug
[19:58] <BUGabundo> DOWN
[19:58] <BUGabundo> WOW
[19:59] <Sarvatt> only happens when metacity is the default WM and you start compiz after
[19:59] <Sarvatt> theres a fix but it hasnt hit karmic yet
[19:59] <BUGabundo> be like this for 2 weeks :(((
[19:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I've been using compiz as default since JJ
[19:59] <Sarvatt> its how you're starting it thats causing problems
[20:00] <Sarvatt> if you just have it set in appearance preferences it works fine
[20:00] <Sarvatt> but if you use fusion icon or anything that calls compiz --replace it hits the bug
[20:00] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/398945
[20:00] <BUGabundo> anyone with gufw broken too?
[20:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: seems you were right, /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart got iwlagn working again :)
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: prob fusionicon
[20:00] <syn-ack> hrm
[20:00] <syn-ack> Seems to be a lot of updates today
[20:00] <syn-ack> mass push, eh?
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: bug id ?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: let me change on Appearences
[20:01] <arand> seems like the gksu update is downloadable now.
[20:01] <BUGabundo> OOPPSSS
[20:01] <BUGabundo> accidentily clicked on a theme on Apparence
[20:01] <BUGabundo> anyway to get my old theme?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> killing theme or something ?
[20:02] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/389686
[20:02] <arand> BUGabundo: custom, unsaved theme?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> arand: errr yeah
[20:03] <arand> BUGabundo: in that case luck might be tough, as far as I know :(
[20:03] <BUGabundo> doh
[20:03] <BUGabundo> well then I guess its time I make a new one LOL
[20:04] <arand> BUGabundo: try clicking it back to "Ccustom" if it's still saved there...
[20:04] <BUGabundo> naa nothing there
[20:04] <BUGabundo> damn this is too bright
[20:05] <BUGabundo> and dark room is to dark
[20:05] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:05] <maxb> Hmm
[20:06] <maxb> I have an entry in my System Tools menu labelled HPLJ10xx Replaced Paper
[20:06] <maxb> that's not even grammatically correct
[20:07] <arand> maxb: me too, I just assumed it was something that'd got there when I was fiddling with print-drivers (which is a canon no less...)
[20:10] <Zorael^2> ick, daily live doesn't boot
[20:11] <Zorael^2> oh, there we go.
[20:13] <BUGabundo> can some one confirm or deny https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/398945 ?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That HPLJ10xx Replaced Paper comes in by default now. It is in /usr/share/applications as a .desktop file
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I did file a bug to get rid of it
[20:15] <charlie-tca> It only applies if you have a HP LaserJet 1020 printer
[20:16] <maxb> oh, I just filed bug 398958 too
[20:16] <maxb> I don't see your bug open against foo2zjs
[20:18] <maxb> I don't think it being filed against ubuntu-meta makes much sense
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I didn't open it against foo, I opened it as bug 396271 against ubuntu-meta
[20:19] <charlie-tca> I think ubuntu-meta generates the .desktop files
[20:19] <maxb> no, it does not
[20:20] <charlie-tca> I think it is definitely more than just a poor name, anyway.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> What should it be under, then. It generates the menu item for all dirivatives
[20:22] <BUGabundo> anyone using kmail ? my won't open if foreground. it gets kicked to background process!
[20:23] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: you using kubuntu now?
[20:23] <billybigrigger_> hahaha rolf
[20:23] <billybigrigger_> sucker
[20:24] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: gnome with KDE apps
[20:24] <natewiebe13> with karmic's new gdm.. how do you change the background?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Weeee! more fun than just one DE...
[20:24] <charlie-tca> natewiebe13: Don't believe you can yet
[20:25] <natewiebe13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SM7jYphZ7U
[20:25] <arand> a HP LaserJet 1020 printer
[20:25] <natewiebe13> charlie-tca: that guy did
[20:25] <charlie-tca> That was back in alpha2, it has changed since then
[20:26] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: I just hate to have another background image durign login !!!
[20:26] <BUGabundo> and I can't use autologin
[20:26] <BUGabundo> where the heck is the equivelent to the old gdm setup ???
[20:26] <yofel> natewiebe13: I found something for that in an freebsd thread, let me search for it
[20:26] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: they havent made one
[20:26] <BUGabundo> :((((((((((((((
[20:26] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[20:27] <Pici> bug 395299
[20:27] <Pici> BUGabundo: Please calm down.
[20:27] <BUGabundo> Pici: sorry.... my heart is beating fast
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I'm all over the place tonigh.... ill take a breath.....
[20:28] <BUGabundo> oohh bug id... thanks Pici
[20:28] <natewiebe13> charlie-tca: it was after updating from alpha 2.. but it is the exact same gdm as current
[20:30] <yofel> natewiebe13: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3814 -- open termina, login as root with 'sudo -i' and then do what it says in post #5 but exchange chpass with passwd
[20:31] <yofel> and replace the last line with 'passwd -d gdm'
[20:32] <BUGabundo> humm gconf key for GDM autologin. must find it
[20:33] <natewiebe13> yofel: thanks
[20:36] <BUGabundo> brb dinner
[20:37] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: send some my way
[20:42] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: here is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7605209 i think you could just do the opposite of his solution
[20:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[20:51] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt: after a git pull do i have to make-kpkg clean?
[20:52] <billybigrigger> or does that clean up whatever i just pulled?
[20:54] <reto`> use Mr. Clean? ;)
[20:55] <Sarvatt> just after you run make of any kind (make oldconfig or whatever)
[20:55] <BUGabundo> back
[20:59] <Sarvatt> you need to make oldconfig again after the pulls and make-kpkg clean before you build again
[21:00] <billybigrigger> ok
[21:03] <DanaG> I wish somebody would fix my mute LED issues.  =þ
[21:29] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: here is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7605209 i think you could just do the opposite of his solution
[21:29] <BUGabundo> natewiebe13: ok
[21:29] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo: just an idea
[21:34] <erisa__> I installed karmic daily build on my asus 1005ha to get networking working.  Can I use synaptic update to stay current or will that mess up my system.  Most things work fine now.
[21:35] <charlie-tca> erisa__: hard to say. Since it is still alpha, it changes pretty quickly.
[21:36] <yofel> erisa__: better than synaptic you should use 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' in a terminal. That has the smallest risk of removing something important from your system.
[21:38] <erisa__> does safe upgrade do anything between alpha releases?
[21:38] <yofel> erisa__: in this case upgrade means installing updates ;)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> erisa__: yeah you can. but better use update-manager since synaptic may force some updates and break your system
[21:39] <BUGabundo> erisa__: we get updates hourly eheh
[21:39] <BUGabundo> yofel: better not scare a new devel user with CLI instrucions
[21:39] <BUGabundo> *even* if they are running a version that requires some knolage to get out of trouble
[21:41] <erisa__> I run gentoo on my desktop and don't have much experience with aptitude
[21:41] <natewiebe13> erisa__: this is an alpha version.. i think that is enough to mess up your system
[21:41] <yofel> well, if you say so. But aptitude is something every alpha user should at least know about ;)
[21:42] <natewiebe13> erisa__: as a precaution, i would have both jaunty and karmic installed so if karmic breaks, you have jaunty as backup
[21:42] <BUGabundo> or have a live cd ehehe
[21:42] <natewiebe13> true
[21:42] <yofel> for an eeePC more like an live usb drive :P
[21:43] <erisa__> so what do you guys do once you install a daily build?  Do you just reinstall periodically?
[21:43] <natewiebe13> update manager
[21:43] <natewiebe13> haha
[21:43] <natewiebe13> yofel: have a live harddisk
[21:44] <natewiebe13> haha
[21:44] <arand> erisa__: I normally install/upgrade once during devel cycle and then reinstall upon final release...
[21:44] <yofel> erisa__: just install updates with your preferred app every day
[21:45] <BUGabundo> my touchpad bug as been marked dupe of another from 2006 :(( https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/59867
[21:45] <yofel> won't fix?
[21:46] <yofel> ah, wrong package ^^
[21:46] <BUGabundo> see my prob?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> let me nag leann about it
[21:49] <yofel> BUGabundo: does it help to add psmouse to MODULES in /etc/default/acpi-support?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> no idea
[21:49] <BUGabundo> it does fix to unload and reload
[21:50] <BUGabundo> and Sarvatt said it would be fix on rc3
[21:50] <BUGabundo> so I can wait
[21:50] <BUGabundo> I just wish it also fixes my suspend crash
[21:50] <yofel> nvm then :P
[22:06] <billybigrigger> hello
[22:07] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:07] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[22:07] <billybigrigger> ping
[22:07] <yofel> billybigrigger: pong
[22:08] <ikonia> billybigrigger: many people
[22:08] <BUGabundo> pong
[22:08] <billybigrig> thanks
[22:08] <billybigrig> stupid chatzilla
[22:10] <billybigrig> Sarvatt: i didn't know x2's were phenom based
[22:10] <Sarvatt> they arent, but yours is
[22:11] <billybigrig> just the 7750's and 7780's?
[22:11] <billybigrig> err
[22:11] <billybigrig> 7850's
[22:11] <BUGabundo> some guys have such a nerd https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/398945
[22:11] <billybigrig> AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor
[22:11] <Sarvatt> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon-x2-7750.html
[22:12] <BUGabundo> look at that guys sugestion, for me to test an hidden download deb!
[22:13] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: a little fishy
[22:14] <billybigrig> might just be a tinyurl
[22:14] <billybigrig> who knows though
[22:15] <BUGabundo> billybigrig: I'll try it *if* I see the source :!
[22:23] <BUGabundo> did something change on gnome for karmic, not allowing apples to be dragged with mouse middle click?
[22:25] <arand> BUGabundo: Marcos is a gufw dev, but precaution are never wrong though..
[22:27] <BUGabundo> did something change on gnome for karmic, not allowing apples to be dragged with mouse middle click? (I hate repeating my self)
[22:29] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: do you have your karmic with you ?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> come one guys ! some one drag an applet and let me know if it works!
[22:29] <BUGabundo> remember to unlock first
[22:33] <arand> BUGabundo: icon dragging works for me, but then again I have not pushed in latest gnome-panel update...
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I can't do it for any applet for one week
[22:38] <charlie-tca> I have the latest updates in Xubuntu and can drag things
[22:39] <maxb> apples!?
[22:39] <maxb> oh, applets?
[22:39]  * charlie-tca is not sure what apples are
[22:39] <maxb> oh, neat, I didn't know you could drag applets with middlebutton
[22:39] <maxb> thanks BUGabundo! :-)
[22:40]  * maxb updates .....
[22:40] <BUGabundo> arand: I got this on identica: "jacob: @bugabundo Working only on icons and the notification area. Everything else is stuck, even though unlocked. "
[22:40] <BUGabundo> maxb: I only learned that like last year or so
[22:51] <arand> BUGabundo: hmm,can drg icons fish and clock, but not eyes, sysmon-applet...
[22:51] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:52] <BUGabundo> I'm filling a bug and uptreaming it
[22:52] <BUGabundo> $ apport-cli -fp gnome-panel
[22:57] <arand> Yay! categories in game menu.
[22:57] <BUGabundo> ah?
[22:58] <arand> at least a "logic" submenu, looks neat.
[22:59] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/399031
[23:09] <BUGabundo> arand: maxb ^^^^^
[23:10] <charlie-tca> maxb: Thanks for the help on the printer bug
[23:18] <arand> BUGabundo: huh more than 5h ago?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> arand: ??
[23:34] <BUGabundo> arand: what? I reboot just to ask you what you mean
[23:38]  * BUGabundo $ sleep; echo you don't have super sheep powers!
[23:53] <yofel> ok... now thats odd. Here I have an external 2.5" hdd from Transcend that won't mount in karmic with usb -71 errors, but mounts fine in jaunty. All other external drives I have mount fine in karmic. -> wtf?


[01:27] <Relondo> So, I installed the XFCE desktop on top of a standard Ubuntu installation. I uninstalled it, but when booting and shutting down, it still shows a splash screen with "Xubuntu".
[01:28] <Unit193> Remove plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text and -logo
[01:29] <Relondo> Thanks
[01:29] <Relondo> Wait, using -remove?
[01:30] <Unit193> sudo apt-get remove
[01:31] <Relondo> Ah, thanks.
[02:21] <greasegum> I want to do a fresh install of xubuntu, instead of my current install *over* ubuntu. can I install from the iso without burning to disc?
[02:47] <Space-Duck> Anyone know how to add a launcher to Docky for the Terminal and Thunar?
[02:47] <Space-Duck> If I manually create a launcher and place it into Docky, it doesn't fire.
[03:09] <xubuntu176> Hello...?
[03:10] <xubuntu176> Hello, is anyone about?
[03:11] <bazhang> !ask | xubuntu176
[03:12] <xubuntu176> Sorry. My question is, why is it that, when I'm watching videos on youtube, blue appears orange, and light skin appears blue?
[03:13] <drc> try http://askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue  for a start
[03:13] <xubuntu176> Could this have to do with my video/graphics card? I've NVIDIA. I downloaded and installed the driver software.
[03:14] <xubuntu176> OK--will check it out. Thank you.
[03:14] <bazhang> full screen the flash, then disable hardware acceleration
[03:14] <drc> and that is easier (and the way I did it :)
[08:04] <xubuntu431> hello
[08:04] <xubuntu431> i installed the xubuntu iso
[08:05] <xubuntu431> now i would like to install some software, but apt-get tells me that verious things are not found (emacs, dselect, etc)
[08:05] <xubuntu431> i seem to have very few things in "origin"
[08:05] <xubuntu431> previously when i installed ubuntu on another machine and then xubuntu on top of it i had a lot of things
[08:06] <xubuntu431> precise-updates/universe for example
[08:06] <xubuntu431> on the machine with the xubuntu iso, i have only all local and precise-security
[08:07] <xubuntu431> i didn't have the internet when i did the install
[08:10] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update , followed by sudo apt-get upgrade  and try again
[08:11] <Unit193> Could also check synaptic for enabled, but reloading the cache is more likely.
[08:12] <xubuntu431> the update upgrade thing seems to be working
[08:12] <xubuntu431> thanks!
[10:14] <xubuntu163> need help...
[10:15] <baizon> so i hope someone can help you :)
[10:15] <xubuntu163> hahaha
[10:15] <xubuntu163> tnx
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> you just state your issue in support channels
[10:15] <xubuntu163> you?
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> and if so,meone can help they will :)
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> s/,//
[10:16] <xubuntu163> xubuntu 1204,nvidia 8800,304.22 driver
[10:16] <xubuntu163> look fine
[10:16] <xubuntu163> and works welll...
[10:16] <xubuntu163> but...
[10:17] <xubuntu163> how to add mint menu or gnomenu on xfce panel?
[10:18] <xubuntu163> or cardapio...
[10:22] <knome> xubuntu163, please don't use enter as punctuation. thanks!
[10:25] <baizon> xubuntu163: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[10:25] <baizon> then you can add a gnome menu :)
[11:24] <CliffyT> Does anyone know how to install adobe flash on xubunto i have mini laptop which i have installed the xubunto the usb way :) i did all the apt get updates and even did all the install flash stuff and firefox still crashes when ever i go on page that uses flash keeps saying install adobe
[11:26] <CliffyT> what was trying to do was on site justin.tv that uses flash on broadcasting option thats when it crashes
[12:44] <xubuntu813> i have an hp mini... no cd drive... how do i install? i assume download... then do i do a usb back up? do i need to have usb inserted for each reboot? what happens to files?
[12:45] <stratoka> yeah, write the image to an usb
[12:46] <xubuntu813> so start by downloading that penguin path install to usb, and that's it? just keep it inserted?
[12:46] <xubuntu813> keep in mind i've never used ubuntu
[12:46] <stratoka> are you running windows now?
[12:46] <xubuntu813> yes
[12:47] <xubuntu813> i'm stoked to do it but i don't want to screw it up or have a poor experience due to inexperience
[12:47] <stratoka> www.pendrivelinux.com
[12:48] <stratoka> download universalusbinstaller
[12:48] <stratoka> are you trying to install Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[12:48] <xubuntu813> ha, didn't know of a difference
[12:49] <stratoka> I suggest to install Ubunt if you dont have linux experience
[12:49] <xubuntu813> will i miss out?
[12:49] <Dice> I might recommend unetbootin over that pendrivelinux thingy
[12:50] <Dice> main ubuntu has more guides online and bigger support community, but if xubuntu feels better, welcome
[12:51] <xubuntu813> do i miss out on ubuntu? interesting
[12:51] <xubuntu813> vs. xub
[12:53] <Dice> interesting to set question that way around.. depends what you want and need
[12:54] <xubuntu813> i would need a flash with enough memory to keep OS and new files right?  what happens on old files with old OS windows? they just sit there with the old system, not useable with xu or ub?
[12:55] <xubuntu813> i was hoping to utilize the good free programs like for dvd burning, and just looking forward to no bs freezing, no updates on windows
[12:56] <xubuntu813> i have mac too but software expensive. i wanted to get linuxized but then wondered if the cost of that would equal a purchase of mac software and mac burner upgrade
[13:03] <xubuntu813> do i have to pick a package?
[13:40] <xubuntu098> I'm trying to work with a pendrive modem. I don't figure how to establish the conection. I think settings are ok but can't find the dialer.
[14:58] <knome> Xubuntu community meeting in a few minutes in #xubuntu-devel. Everybody is welcome!
[15:30] <unrar> rehi
[15:31] <knome> unrar, hmm; please don't use awaynicks. /away is enough
[15:31] <knome> (hi)
[15:36] <unrar> ok
[16:35] <PrivateReese> hey guys i got a broken installation and want to restore or reinstall all packets from the original xubuntu installation can somebody help me?
[16:36] <bazhang> broken how
[16:38] <PrivateReese> i am know working with an almost normal system but some packets after the base system where broken and not installed so i had to install xubuntu-desktop myself and now it doesnt really lock like the standard
[16:40] <bazhang> what are the exact error messages.  paste.ubuntu.com if more than a single line
[16:41] <PrivateReese> there are no errors i am just chatting with you on this system right now but i want the system to look like the standard installation one and also that it is installing standard packets which might have been lost during the installation
[16:42] <PrivateReese> packets like libc-dev make and xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop were missing so i expect the system to run but with a lot of standard and maybe also drivers missing
[16:43] <PrivateReese> and i am sorry but i cannot restore the error message during installation something like "critical error maybe the system has not been installed correctly"
[16:44] <PrivateReese> i know from other distribution or some other linux that you can overwrite some config files with the packet supporter ones
[16:45] <PrivateReese> if it is called like this in english in german its "Packetbetreuer"
[16:45] <bazhang> the package manager?
[16:45] <PrivateReese> yeah could be
[16:46] <bazhang> PrivateReese, were you installing things from 3rd party sources, such as PPA?
[16:46] <PrivateReese> only a graphics driver from nvidia
[16:46] <PrivateReese> via sgfxi script
[16:47] <bazhang> the script was in a PPA?
[16:47] <PrivateReese> other things were just installed with xfce4 and xubuntu-desktop  parameters in apt-get install
[16:49] <PrivateReese> isnt there some command like "install and compare packets from cdrom" ?
[16:51] <bazhang> well , you never answered if you used PPA
[16:51] <PrivateReese> or just are there some special repos for xubuntu i only got the ubuntu .com/12.4/
[16:51] <PrivateReese> you mean if i used external sources?
[16:51] <PrivateReese> or just the normal update process?
[16:52] <bazhang> and given you have no specific errors to share, it's 100% guesswork in troubleshooting
[16:52] <bazhang> problems with libc are not encouraging
[16:53] <PrivateReese> yeah how to say it was quite strange to me too
[16:53] <bazhang> sounds like you were editing system files, adding suspect packages and the like
[16:54] <bazhang> a single nvidia driver script would be hard put to explain the numerous errors you mention
[16:55] <PrivateReese> i didnt configure something just installed the missing GUi packets like xfce4 and xubuntu-desktop and i was also installing graphics driver via script.
[16:55] <PrivateReese> and i did not use any personal packet archives
[16:56] <PrivateReese> and as i know all my GUi problems would be solved if i can get config files for the default installation from the packet manager
[16:56] <PrivateReese> if i would knew if its possible
[16:58] <PrivateReese> so bazhang for instance i want my desktop look like this: http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/precise_01-600x450.png how do i do this?
[17:02] <PrivateReese> theres a package called xubuntu default settings
[17:02] <PrivateReese> maybe this will do it
[17:05] <PrivateReese> yust testing it ;-)
[17:10] <script__> היי שלום יש לי בעיה במערכת 10.04
[17:10] <script__> אפשר עזרה
[17:11] <bazhang> script__, english here only
[17:12] <script__> ok help ubuntu 10.04 Update Manager
[17:13] <bazhang> help with what
[17:13] <script__> Failed to download all repository indexes
[17:13] <bazhang> try changing servers
[17:14] <script__> Where I find it?
[17:15] <bazhang> which package manager are you using? synaptic?
[17:16] <bazhang> yuo would change software sources to try another mirror
[17:16] <script__> Yes
[17:16] <script__> synptic
[17:17] <bazhang> so go into synaptic and change software sources/mirror, reload and try again
[17:19] <script__> v
[17:19] <script__> OK, it tells me failure failure failure
[17:19] <script__> כשלון בהבאת http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/main/i18n/Translation-he.bz2  Bad header line [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:20] <script__> Perhaps the database is already available or can not be connect to it due to network problems. If there is an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the reservoir would not be usable. Check your network connection and verify that the correct preferences database.
[18:37] <craigbass1976> http://pastebin.com/0jtNsX29  This is my current setup.  If I'm on a windows box somewhere on the network, I'm fine.  If I'm on a linux box with something in /etc/fstab like this: //<IP_ADDRESS>/moulton-files   /home/craig/share  cifs umask=777,uid=1000,gid=1000   0 0  I create directories that are 775 (others can't write, user and group are good) and then I can not stick things in said directories.  If I create a new FILE, it's
[18:37] <craigbass1976>  777.
[18:39] <Unit193> could use file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 or something close to it, it has worked for me at least.
[18:51] <xubuntu062> hola
[18:51] <xubuntu062> help
[18:59] <craigbass1976> Unit193, in fstab or smb.conf
[19:18] <craigbass1976> Unit193, like this? //<IP_ADDRESS>/moulton-files   /home/craig/share  cifs file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,uid=1000,gid=1000   0 0
[20:03] <Unit193> Now I'm wondering if it worked.
[20:56] <sambagirl> good evening. i was just re-inforcing my understanding of something. i think that i may possibly successfully upgrade from 10.10 ubumntu 64 to xubuntu and have an interface that i can resolve. am i right?
[20:58] <Unit193> Well.... You'd have to go 10.10 > 11.04 > 11.10 > 12.04 to be current as 10.10 is EOL.
[20:58] <Unit193> !purexfce |Otherwise there is this
[21:18] <sambagirl> but see that is why i am getting away from ubuntu  because i like gnome and i am familiar with the layout and stuff. i can use gnome in xubuntu yes?
[21:21] <GridCube> no
[21:21] <GridCube> [X]ubuntu the X is for XFCE
[21:21] <GridCube> if you use another window manager then you are not using xfce
[21:22] <GridCube> then you are not using xubuntu, plain logics
[22:05] <tyche_> I recently created a LiveUSB key of Xubuntu 12.04 and tried it on my desktop (HP Pavilion HPE) and later on my Dell Inspiron 910 (Early netbook).  In both cases there was a crash report - something about colord, if I remember correctly.  I'd be interested in knowing what it was.
[22:06] <tyche_> PS:  I have since installed it on the Dell, and it doesn't happen from the installation.
[22:08] <Unit193> It's a daemon to  manage device colour profiles.
[22:09] <sambagirl> ok so if i recall elive used xfkc correct? sorry i was in another world listening to john luc ponte on headphones and forgot i was online doing this..
[22:09] <tyche_> Interesting.  Thanks.  And as I have no known color profiles (Disclaimer:  I'm a perpetual n00bie), it had no effect on the rest of the LiveUSB test.
[22:10] <sambagirl> i just want to have the menus at the top so i can navigate like i have forever. that's all i want.
[22:10] <pleia2> xubuntu has that
[22:10] <Unit193> By default at least.
[22:11] <sambagirl> i can not figure out ubuntu navigation anymore.
[22:11] <sambagirl> that is why i still use 10.10
[22:11] <tyche_> Morning pleia2.  I think there's a way through properties to add Applications, too.
[22:12] <pleia2> you can add application menus all over the place ;)
[22:13] <sambagirl> i personally think that microsoft or apple people have infiltrated the ubuntu dev group and are messing it up. well that is my thought. i saw this verhy thing with reactos. same behaviour.
[22:13] <tyche_> Otherwise, just click the XFCE icon in the left corner of the bar.
[22:13] <pleia2> sambagirl: you might want to try #xubuntu-offtopic ;)
[22:15] <sambagirl> i thinkj i will just try to go to sleep
[22:16] <Unit193> sambagirl: Maybe try a current liveCD of Xubuntu 12.04...
[22:34] <sambagirl> ok i will try it tomorrow i am to messed up fight now to try that. thanks.


[12:08] <lotuspsychje> GunnarHj: a little question, ive installed lubuntu 20.04 in dutch but i dont find the option to auto install the missing language packs like in ubuntu-desktop, so ive checked check-language-support -l nl and it gives me the pack names i can install manually
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> now i would like to file a bug against, wich packagename should i use?
[12:10] <luna_> Ubiquity maybe *guesses*
[12:15] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: Well, when Lubuntu replaced LXDE with LXQt, they dropped the language-selector-gnome package (which is Gtk based). That was most likely intentional. So I would suggest that you get in touch with the Lubuntu developers and ask for their thoughts on this topic.
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> aha thank you GunnarHj
[12:18] <luna_> ah think Lubuntu uses Calamares
[12:19] <luna_> http://calamares.io/about/


[09:58] <cjwatson> apw: do you by any chance have a real ZFS pool up somewhere (not the weird file-backed thing that I have)?  I'm looking into a bug
[09:58] <apw> cjwatson, i don't but i bet cking does ^^
[09:58] <cjwatson> cking: can you see whether   bash -c 'ulimit -f 1024; yes | head -n2097152' >/some/path/on/zfs   returns successfully or takes SIGXFSZ?
[09:58] <cking> i have, let me fire up a server
[09:59] <cjwatson> (it should take SIGXFSZ)
[09:59] <cjwatson> found in the Launchpad test suite
[10:00] <cjwatson> apparently this test case works correctly on Solaris 5.10 and FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT
[10:01] <cking> cjwatson, yep, looks like it fails on ZFS on Linux
[10:01] <cjwatson> shiny
[10:01] <cjwatson> will file a bug
[10:01] <cking> thanks, and once that's done I'll report that upstream
[10:01] <cking> nice catch!
[10:03] <cjwatson> the LP test suite kind of wants the whole planet to be in a correct state
[10:03] <cking> cjwatson, fair enough, file systems should handle SIGXFSZ for sure
[10:16] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1656259
[10:16] <cking> cjwatson, thanks
[22:32] <achiang> howdy, if I install linux-generic-hwe-16.04, does that also get me newer display drivers too somehow?
[22:32] <achiang> trying to opt-in to the rolling LTS enablement stack
[22:38] <rtg> achiang, if you are using an nVidia DKMS driver, then it likely won't change, though it has probably been tested with the HWE kernel.
[22:40] <achiang> hm, no, not nvidia. just a dell xps13 with intel gfx (broadwell)
[22:41] <rtg> achiang, then you'll get an updated i915 graphics driver from the new kernel.
[22:41] <achiang> oh perfect, thx


[15:56] <Arla> Hi. I want to test an alpha version of Inskape, because this bug (which affects me) seems to be fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/531678 How do I get the latest version?
[16:10] <phillw> Arla: 9.10 reached end of life in april 2011. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/05/26/ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-end-of-life-reached-on-april-30-2011/ Any updates that have been applied will be for newer versions?
[16:13] <Arla> phillw: I'm using saucy.
[16:14] <phillw> Arla: then, if you still see the issue, please raise a new bug. It may be more helpful to pop onto #ubuntu-bugs and ask on there.
[16:16] <phillw> Arla: that team are more 'up to speed' on handling bugs, whilst the joining of QA and bugs together is ongoing. When in doubt about a bug, ask those wonderful people :)
[16:20] <phillw> Arla: they can better advise on a particular bug. It may be that the bug is 'alive' under a current number. If you pop onto that channel I'm happy to assist you in asking questions.
[16:44] <Arla> phillw: Thank you. It's not clear to me how the bug can be specific to an Ubuntu version.
[16:44] <phillw> Arla: do you still see the bug in Saucy?
[16:45] <Arla> phillw: yes
[16:46] <phillw> okay, it is marked 'fix committed' which means they want to fix it. This is different to 'Fix Released'.
[16:48] <phillw> Arla: by rights, it should be marked invalid as it is for a release that is no longer supported. If you pop onto #ubuntu-bugs we can ask on there.
[16:49] <phillw> anyone else awake on here to offer advice?
[16:54] <phillw> Arla: I've asked... But IMHO without anyone saying otherwise, I'd suggest raising a new bug and refer to the old bug.
[19:09] <jibel> Arla, Saucy has inkscape 0.48 and inkscape dev says it is fixed in r12698 which is not in Ubuntu. However the dev team has a PPA for Saucy where you can test inkscape trunk
[19:09] <jibel> Arla, https://launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/+archive/trunk?field.series_filter=saucy
[19:10] <jibel> Arla, if you confirm it is fixed there, you can file a bug against Ubuntu and hope someone can cherry pick the upstream fix.
[19:11] <jibel> phillw, the version of Ubuntu is irrelevant here, because it is an upstream project that uses launchpad as bug tracker.
[19:11] <jibel> ie not a bug in a specific version of Ubuntu.
[19:16] <phillw> jibel: I am currently watching a discussion on email about where to report 'upstream' bugs versus ubuntu bugs as per Policy: filing bugs against Ubuntu packages instead of upstream projects
[19:18] <phillw> I await their decision, until then I asked the OP to seek advice from the bug team. If you have better knowledge, then please do share it with me and the OP :)
[19:20] <Arla> jibel: I added the PPA and do apt-get install inkscape-trunk, but it won't install without removing gnome :s
[19:24] <phillw> Arla: is that requiring that you delete all of gnome, or just the meta package?
[19:25] <Arla> phillw: only meta package. is that safe?
[19:27] <phillw> Arla: if it ends with -desktop, it is quite safe to remove. It can cause complications when up-grading to the next release; but by then you will have learned about making a seperate /home partition :D
[19:28] <Arla> The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome inkscape
[19:29] <phillw> Arla: as you wish to install the new one, that makes sense to me?
[19:30] <Arla> phillw: inkscape being removed, yes. But the package "gnome"?
[19:31] <phillw> Arla: I'm not a ubuntu user.... jibel is it safe for Arla to follow the remove?
[19:33] <phillw> Arla: I'm a lubuntu user and we do know of that warning, which can be safely ignored. But, I am asking any other ubuntu user to check that it is safe to remove in ubuntu.
[19:34] <phillw> I'm 99% sure it would be okay, as it will tell you what it wishes to remove. But there is that 1% doubt.
[19:36] <Arla> I'm thinking that the worst thing that can happen is that I have to install that package again? That wouldn't be very disastrous.
[19:39] <phillw> Arla: depending on what it says exactly, as long as you do not see a whole list of files (i.e. your entire system), then the removal of the meta link is not harmful.
[19:40] <phillw> Arla: as long as you see something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveLubuntuDesktop then you will be okay.
[19:41] <phillw> Arla: if ib any doubt, do ask on #ubuntu, this area is not a support area and the people on there are much more familiar with such things :)
[19:41] <phillw> s/ib/in/
[19:43] <Arla> phillw: It seems like the bug persists.
[19:44] <phillw> Arla: then raise a new bug, but do reference to the old bug number.
[19:48] <phillw> once you have the new bug raised, ask if someone can confirm it. As it seems to be upstream, then you need to go 'nag' them to get it fixed.... I'm banned from 'nagging', so do be careful how you phrase your 'nag'. :P
[19:53] <Arla> :)


[02:28] <ut_maito> #ubuntu
[02:29] <ut_maito> あれ？
[02:32] <holstein> !jp
[03:25] <jose> holstein: I think we don't have any bots around (apart from Unit193)
[03:25] <holstein> lol
[03:25] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[03:25] <holstein> jose: i just thought we had the same treatment
[03:25] <holstein> not that we need one
[03:25] <Unit193> I think ubot2 was here.
[03:25] <jose> :P
[03:26] <jose> yeah, he's down
[03:26] <Unit193> I know.
[21:34] <jose> email sent to summary writers


[05:02] <mwhudson> yay systemd migrated
[10:11] <xnox> fixing 6 digit bug report is nice
[10:11] <xnox> my irc is broken.
[10:11] <xnox> maybe not.
[10:11] <xnox> fixing 6 digit bug report is nice =) in my dput upload.
[10:22] <ginggs> xnox: good job!
[16:05] <TJ-> Is it known that phased updates and by-hash/...SHA256/$hash  can break fetching Package.{xz,gz} - are hashes really file-system symlinks?
[16:07] <cjwatson> They are not symlinks
[16:07] <cjwatson> Precisely because that would break
[16:11] <TJ-> cjwatson: got a user in #ubuntu curl-ing a focal-updates Package.xz by hash and it's not matching the hash he expects; difference is the Phasing percentage. I presume they are linked and the user has got hashes from a different phase?
[16:13] <cjwatson> TJ-: Can we get more exact details?
[16:13] <cjwatson> TJ-: Could be a busted mirror or overly-smart proxy or ...
[16:15] <TJ-> I'll copy the relevant comments:
[16:15] <TJ-> 16:50 <Rogach> curl -s --resolve archive.ubuntu.com:80:<IP_ADDRESS> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/binary-amd64/by-hash/SHA256/125d5d9e5514f816011b6ba86ea5574caa09f2587502618e763e3ffcfac77a9f | sha256sum
[16:15] <TJ-> 16:50 <Rogach> 79d6950134a801405612775563ad754367e4b94366d6f9de2e92d6bf2c6cef80  -
[16:15] <cjwatson> TJ-: sha256sum matches for me
[16:15] <TJ-> cjwatson: me too!
[16:15] <cjwatson> TJ-: so to me that implies a proxy in the way
[16:16] <cjwatson> TJ-: may be explicit (http_proxy) or "transparent"
[16:16] <TJ-> they report no problems on other hosts, we suggested a proxy - only difference is the Phasing value
[16:16] <cjwatson> TJ-: curl -v may give some clues
[16:16] <TJ-> cjwatson: I suspect the transparent but wanted to be sure I correctly understood the Phasing operations
[16:16] <cjwatson> TJ-: phasing is unlikely to be very directly relevant - that probably just means that a proxy has cached something recent, and the most recent change to that Packages file happened to involve phasing
[16:17] <cjwatson> TJ-: if adding -H 'Pragma: no-cache' fixes it, then it's a buggy proxy
[16:17] <TJ-> cjwatson: right... thanks for the confirmation :)
[16:18] <cjwatson> TJ-: by-hash uses different URLs for each hash partly to minimize the chance of caching problems, but if a proxy is egregiously violating the spec and caching results from some different URL, there's not much we can do
[16:19] <TJ-> cjwatson: thanks ... that must be it. It's affecting apt as well as curl. Role on HTTPS :)
[21:35] <jawn-smith> Is any core dev available to retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=ppc64el&package=cwltool&trigger=curl/7.74.0-1.2ubuntu4
[21:43] <bdmurray> oooh ooh me!
[21:58] <jawn-smith> thanks bdmurray! It's always you haha
[21:59] <bdmurray> maybe nobody else trusts you?
[22:09] <jawn-smith> well the test passed, so did I earn +1 trust unit?
[23:43] <mwhudson> hey can someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/406272 pls
[23:44] <mwhudson> (it's pretty simple)
[23:45] <sarnold> shell quoting .. simple .. dunno :)
[23:45] <sarnold> is that outer layer of quotes useful? helpful?
[23:46] <mwhudson> yeah i guess the results of command substitution don't get split do they?
[23:46] <sarnold> I don't *think* so but .. shell :)
[23:46] <mwhudson> If the substitution appears within double quotes, word splitting and pathname expansion are not performed on the results.
[23:46] <mwhudson> from man bash
[23:46] <mwhudson> so maybe they do?
[23:48] <mwhudson> please doctor it hurts https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ypJDvh58jF/
[23:49] <mwhudson> oh ok so the rhs of an assignment is not split
[23:50] <mwhudson> (obviously it can only contain spaces to split on after some kind of expansion)
[23:52] <mwhudson> so the outer quotes are not needed but i'm inclined to leave them in anyway
[23:52] <sarnold> alright, cool, thanks for indulging my curiosity/concern :)
[23:53] <cjwatson> They're not needed, but they're harmless and IMO often best left in for pedagogical purposes (i.e. to reinforce the notion that you should have one layer of "" per variable expansion unless you have a damn good reason not to)
[23:53] <cjwatson> LGTM for whatever my out-of-date livecd-rootfs brain is worth
[23:53] <mwhudson> cjwatson: thanks
[23:54] <sarnold> cjwatson: ah that's a solid reason :) thanks


[13:51] <adnan> ola
[15:42] <Tetra> Hey, could someone help me really quickly please?
[16:51] <adnan> depends


[14:14] <Kilos> see if you can read the log for the 23rd
[14:15] <Kilos> zaki here
[14:32] <zaki> hmm
[14:35] <zaki> he just replyed.
[14:35] <zaki> Fouad Bajwa the only admin of Ubuntu Pakistan FB Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntu.pakistan.team
[14:35] <Kilos> try and get them to come here zaki
[14:36] <zaki> yess, just said it to come here.
[14:37] <Kilos> tell them all that are having problems to hang out here
[14:39] <zaki> query mustu
[14:39] <Kilos> elacheche when you going to show alive here
[14:40] <zaki> he just gave me his nick may be.
[14:41] <Kilos> no thats a board member friend of mine
[14:41] <Kilos> he will help sort these problems out hopefullt
[14:42] <Kilos> hopefully
[14:45] <mustu> zaki:
[14:45] <zaki> thenks man.
[14:45] <Kilos> hi mustu
[14:45] <mustu> hi Kilos
[14:46] <mustu> So, what's the agenda ?
[14:46] <Kilos> i hear you are having problems joining ubuntu-pk
[14:47] <mustu> nope
[14:47] <Kilos> i will try get it sorted out but i work only from irc not fb
[14:47] <Kilos> explain?
[14:48] <mustu> can you explain why you believe i've problems join the IRC channel?
[14:48] <mustu> zaki:  why I'm here?
[14:48] <Kilos> no problems with joining the official ubuntu loco there
[14:49] <mustu> Kilos: zaki  guys can you please get straight and ask why you've asked me here...
[14:49] <Kilos> i wanted your feedback on if there are problems joining the pk loco and what they are
[14:50] <zaki> oky i'm trying to find why is ubuntu pakistan community is inactive in irc or there facebook group or page.
[14:50] <mustu> lack of volunteers.. people don't give a damn
[14:50] <mustu> volunteering and community are the words that doesn't get much attention in public...
[14:51] <Kilos> even new users of ubuntu
[14:51] <Kilos> i am trying to grow and spread ubuntu
[14:51] <mustu> there are thousands of Ubuntu users.. but they aren't using Ubuntu because they like it .. somehow they got into using ubuntu and they aren't passionate about either Ubuntu or OpenSource..
[14:51] <zaki> mustu, you tell me that some old admin is controlling this platform and not letting you people help others.
[14:51] <Kilos> the whole community council is
[14:51] <mustu> so why would they waste their time
[14:52] <mustu> Kilos: well that's old news... I haven't tried to get into the ^Official^ stuff since then.. I just did my volunteer work as much I could in past and now I let anyone who's interested take the control and lead the community but there aren't many
[14:53] <mustu> Fouad Bajwa is the guy who first got into LoCo Councils and had control over the mailing list  and other official stuff... but for him it was a badge he won't let any other wear
[14:54] <Kilos> if you check there are many locos worldwide that are collapsing
[14:54] <Kilos> we are trying to revive them
[14:54] <mustu> we approached him but he discarded us and forced to work "under" him .. typical indopak shit mentality
[14:55] <mustu> when we started the community fan page for Ubuntu Pakistan he even threatened us that he will take legal action against us like Ubuntu Pakistan was his trademark..
[14:55] <Kilos> thats a shame
[14:55] <Kilos> ubuntu is for everyone
[14:55] <Kilos> no politics must be allowed to interfere
[14:56] <mustu> So we didn't bothered with him and kept our volunteer efforts.. did arranged few meetups.. distributed CDs from our pocket expense.. offered food at our expense.. but public response wasn't encouraging ..
[14:57] <mustu> We were active in three major cities in PK at that time.. you can check the event pictures.. but ofcourse one can only volunteer for a limited  time.. community need to take over every volunteer and give a fresh wave
[14:57] <Kilos> yes of course
[14:58] <mustu> I believe it doesn't matter if we use the ^official IRC channel, mailing list or not.. what only matters is the community efforts
[14:58] <mustu> People should gather and share their knowledge and interest... at any place anywhere
[14:58] <Kilos> the official irc channel and mailing lists should be open to everyone
[14:59] <mustu> well I talked to LoCo council and they asked me to open a case and then they will review and see if ownership of lists should be moved..
[14:59] <mustu> I'm really not after that ownership stuff so I didn't worked on tht
[15:00] <Kilos> aha who did you talk to and when, ill revive the case
[15:00] <mustu> well I don't remember I talked in the LoCo channel here at freenode
[15:00] <Kilos> locoteams?
[15:00] <mustu> well you can revive and if you've a fresh lot of volunteers you should participate
[15:01] <mustu> I'm out of that thread now
[15:01] <mustu> You can open to that community page we've been running
[15:01] <mustu> I can make you admin
[15:01] <mustu> do whatever you can for the community
[15:01] <Kilos> thats fine , will you be here if anyone needs any information please
[15:01] <mustu> I'm no ^owner^ of any community stuff.. neither shoud anyone be
[15:02] <Kilos> i am from south africa
[15:02] <mustu> well... I lost my IRC app after changing the app store..
[15:02] <zaki> i am from bangladesh.
[15:02] <mustu> shitty Apple is asking me to buy the app again.. so I'm not frequent on IRC these days
[15:02] <Kilos> i revived many locos in africa and so now took on reviving the rest of the world
[15:03] <mustu> Kilos:  are you part of the loco council?
[15:03] <Kilos> i am on the membership board , but helping the council with revivals because everyone is very busy most of the time
[15:08] <mustu> alright...
[15:08] <mustu> Kilos: I don't want to get into any discussion with Fouad Bajwa. I'm sure he will get upset you will take the ownership from him.
[15:08] <Kilos> i will do my best to try get things running smoothly there
[15:09] <Kilos> thats his problem
[15:09] <mustu> Meanwhile let me find the right guy to handover the ownership of official communication platform.
[15:09] <mustu> I'm quite occupied and won't be able to do justice
[15:09] <Kilos> if he wants to run ubuntu there he must follow the ubuntu code of conduct
[15:10] <mustu> second I recommend you to not let anyone ^Own^ the list and official team membership..  I wasn't accepted into to loco team at Ubuntu website. That was rude and against community ethics
[15:11] <mustu> Make sure people are only "Moderator" not the "Owners"
[15:11] <Kilos> the loco team is a closed group
[15:12] <Kilos> but i know some of them so will discuss the problem with them
[15:12] <mustu> alright
[15:29] <zaki> Kilos, what are you thinking?
[15:29] <Kilos> im thinking how best to handle these situations
[15:30] <Kilos> we dont have them in ZA, we are all friends and all welcome newcomers
[15:30] <zaki> oky. is there anything i can help you?
[15:30] <Kilos> only spammers and trolls get put into place
[15:33] <Kilos> ty for finding where the problem is and keep in touch with those guys in case when i get a council member to get involved he can get info
[15:33] <Kilos> ok?
[15:34] <zaki> oky.
[15:34] <Kilos> and feel free to chat to me anytime
[15:34] <zaki> i will try..
[15:34] <Kilos> just be patient if i take long to answer
[15:35] <Kilos> i could be working outside
[15:37] <zaki> oky. understood :)
[16:07] <elacheche> Kilos: I'm technically still in my wedding holiday :p
[16:07] <elacheche> Hey all :)
[16:07] <Kilos> lol sorry
[16:08] <Kilos> can you read scroll back and save it please
[16:08] <Kilos> we have work
[16:10] <elacheche> I'm saving it to read it later :D :)
[16:11] <elacheche> Kilos: We have too much work to do :)
[16:11] <elacheche> I know that.. I have something to suggst as well..
[16:11] <Kilos> yes
[16:12] <elacheche> Why you don't apply for a position in the LoCo Council?


[11:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:08] <qengho> I dig your nick, BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> hey qengho
[11:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, used this nick for 15 yrs on irc :)
[11:14] <qengho> I've had four nicks in that time. My first, a Monty Python reference seemed dated when I left my teens.
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Monty Python is producing a reunion of sorts I think
[11:23] <BluesKaj> qengho, maybe your old nick won't seem so dated after all :)


[05:41] <nellery> Any core-doc members around?
[07:10] <mdke> nellery: hi
[08:34] <mdke> nellery: leaving now though
[14:25] <j-noise> hi
[14:25] <j-noise> i had sent an mail to list to join
[14:25] <j-noise> there was no response
[14:27] <j-noise> please guide me
[19:05] <salty-horse> hi. how do I open an html file with yelp? "yelp <filename>" doesn't work. do I need to specify a protocol before the filename?
[23:48] <nellery> salty-horse, if your still around, its "yelp ~/../../..
[23:48] <nellery> you need to specify the whole thing
[23:48] <salty-horse> nellery, thanks. then I found a bug in yelp
[23:58] <nellery> any core-doc member's around?
[23:58] <nellery> my membership in the students team is about to expire