[09:30] <ace28> Hi there, has anyone else experienced problems with libre office since its last update?
[11:25] <anna`> Hi folks, is ubuntu-mate still being actively developed? Seems like an odd question but not used it in a while :)
[11:32] <Astro7467> @anna`: yes, very much still in active development
[11:33] <anna`> Thanks
[11:33] <anna`> Keep up the good work folks <3
[16:05] <jman> how do i bitcoin mine on ubuntu mate
[16:05] <jman> ???
[16:05] <DarkPsydeLord> good question
[16:05] <jman> thanks
[16:06] <jman> any suggestions
[16:06] <DarkPsydeLord> i used cpuminer in the past
[16:06] <DarkPsydeLord> but depending on how you are planning to mine i suppose theres different programs
[16:07] <Jack_Sparrow> info wine
[16:07] <jman> i want a gui based program
[16:07] <DarkPsydeLord> but tbh specialized hardware will crush the generation
[16:07] <Jack_Sparrow> !info wine
[16:07] <jman> any gui based suggestions
[16:08] <jman> uhhh....
[16:08] <DarkPsydeLord> jman, unfortunately im not well informed about this kind of programs you should try in the bitcoin community
[16:09] <jman> ok thank you anyway i will just do some googling i guess
[16:10] <DarkPsydeLord> i know theres a bunch of ppas around who add some apps
[16:11] <DarkPsydeLord> but well 3rd party ppa's are discouraged
[16:11] <jman> apps are useful
[16:11] <DarkPsydeLord> are you planning to mine using gpu or cpu?
[16:12] <jman> cpu would be better but i could probably get away with gpu
[16:12] <DarkPsydeLord> i thought gpus were faster
[16:12] <jman> im not trying to make much its more for fun
[16:13] <jman> i just dont have a very good gpu
[16:13] <DarkPsydeLord> will take forever to get enough results to make your first bitcoin
[16:13] <jman> oh suppose i could give gpu a shot
[16:16] <jman> well bitcoin mining probably wont work for me then
[16:16] <jman> so... do you guys have any random programs you would suggest
[16:18] <jman> thanks for the help anyway
[16:18] <jman> bye
[16:18] <DarkPsydeLord> uhm random as in?
[16:19] <jman> oh um anything you like to use or is useful for the system
[16:20] <DarkPsydeLord> de3pending on how you use it
[16:20] <jman>  use what?
[16:20] <Jack_Sparrow> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/Home
[16:20] <DarkPsydeLord> your system?
[16:21] <jman> oh i just you it as my personal computer for watching videos, and playing games
[16:21] <DarkPsydeLord> then steam
[16:21] <DarkPsydeLord> xD
[16:22] <jman>  lol had that one for a while
[16:22] <DarkPsydeLord> then znes
[16:22] <DarkPsydeLord> zsnes sorry
[16:22] <DarkPsydeLord> play some super mario rpg
[16:22] <DarkPsydeLord> i love it
[16:23] <jman>  is that a snes emulator
[16:23] <DarkPsydeLord> yes sir
[16:23] <jman> is it in the "app store" or do i  a need to go to a website
[16:23] <DarkPsydeLord> na just sudo apt install zsnes
[16:23] <jman> ok
[16:24] <DarkPsydeLord> or n64 emulator
[16:24] <DarkPsydeLord> whatever you like the most
[16:24] <jman> whats the command for n64
[16:25] <DarkPsydeLord> mupen64
[16:25] <jman> sudo apt install mupen64 ?
[16:25] <DarkPsydeLord> not sure if mupen64plus just tab to complete
[16:26] <jman> ok thanks
[16:26] <DarkPsydeLord> :)
[16:26] <jman> :)
[16:28] <jman> ＼(￣▽￣)/ it worked for once
[16:29] <DarkPsydeLord> xD
[16:29] <jman> where would you suggest i get the "legal" game files
[16:29] <DarkPsydeLord> i encourage legal everything
[16:29] <jman> ok
[16:30] <jman> so then how do i get the game files
[16:31] <DarkPsydeLord>  well afaik if you do own a snes or n64 cartridge you can download the rom for it
[16:32] <jman> well im in luck because i own a lot of snes games
[16:32] <DarkPsydeLord> then download a lot of snes roms XD
[16:32] <jman> where do i download them
[16:32] <DarkPsydeLord> quick google search?
[16:33] <jman> ok thanks for the help
[16:33] <DarkPsydeLord> yw
[16:33] <jman> if I have other questions I will ask you :)
[16:34] <DarkPsydeLord> will be better to just write any question on the channel and if somebody is around will answer it
[16:34] <DarkPsydeLord> im usually busy :(
[16:38] <DarkPsydeLord> but if i have some time i will gladly answer if its in my hands ofc
[16:47] <Jack_Sparrow> ked the room about how to get rid of spiders.  All agreed noric acid.  But what is the best way.  Liquid and use in sprayer or dry sprinkled aeound he perimeter
[17:01] <DarkPsydeLord> best way to keep spiders away in introducing its natural predators
[17:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Ive got hundreds of baby lizards that just hatched  about 1" long.. so cute
[17:05] <andrew> Hi people! Got a problem. If I plug the power in the laptop, it makes a plug in sound but do not recharge battery
[17:07] <andrew> Also, If I turn the laptop on with the power pugged, then I see the battery icon recharging
[17:07] <andrew> In windows everything works fine. so not a hardware issue.
[22:26] <ludovico> hi
[22:28] <vlt> Ciao!


[03:10] <kellnola> having a bizarre problem here ... I have a server I can ssh into, guest virtual machines running on it work fine, but the server can't initiate any sort of network traffic or even open a socket, not even ping anything. There aren't any firewall rules at all and apparmor is off ...
[03:11] <kellnola> a ping just recieves
[03:11] <kellnola> "EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[03:12] <njbair> since my upgrade to natty, my development server no longer displays PHP error messages.
[04:24] <toddnine> Hi guys.  is there a command to list all currently installed ppa sources?
[04:25] <toddnine> I need to see if one is present via grep in an automated script
[04:54] <lifesf> Hi, my ubuntu natty server works then cannot access, then can access then cannot.......................
[04:55] <arleslie> speratic network card?
[04:55] <lifesf> using a wireless dlink
[04:55] <lifesf> it does not require much traffis
[04:56] <lifesf> traffic*
[04:56] <arleslie> signal?
[04:56] <lifesf> yup
[04:56] <arleslie> how good?
[04:56] <lifesf> it connects fine
[04:56] <arleslie> just because it connects doesn't mean it has good enough signal
[04:56] <lifesf> umm.. is there a way to view the signal strenght on the server through terminal?
[04:56] <arleslie> iwconfig might show it
[04:56] <lifesf> well.. all my pcs from where i am have a rather good signal
[04:56] <arleslie> I would recommend just running a line to the server
[04:57] <arleslie> either way I g2g, good luck
[04:57] <lifesf> impossible at the moment
[04:57] <lifesf> oh ok but thanx
[04:57] <lifesf> does anyone else know how to fix this issue? sometimes can connect sometimes cannot,... and from memory,.. when it was still hooked up right after install,... it still did taht
[04:58] <lifesf> i thought it was because it would go in sleep mode which is completely absurd
[05:05] <lifesf> and it always states being connected
[05:05] <lifesf> in all times
[05:14] <Juv1228> toddnine, you could just read out /etc/apt/sources.list and parse for it there
[05:15] <toddnine> Thanks JUv1228.  I was able to check for the existence of the file in /etc/apt/sources.d
[08:33] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx,
[08:33] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead11: yes?
[08:34] <koolhead11> were you supposed to put cobbler community documentation ?
[08:34] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead11: help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler
[08:34] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx, kool :)
[08:39] <w00> That doc works wonders, god it working from first try pretty quick
[08:39] <w00> *got
[08:39] <w00> Never touched cobbler before :)
[08:54] <twb> Is cobbler one of those puppet clones?
[08:54] <twb> Ah, not quite.
[08:54] <twb> More like di-netboot-assistant or FAI
[08:54] <twb> (only shit)
[09:02] <twb> Why is plymouth still loading when "splash" is not in grub's cmdline on my lucid VM?
[09:03] <twb> Also, what is the option to blacklist vga16fb?
[09:03]  * twb tries nomodeset
[09:04] <twb> Nope, that's not it.
[09:06] <shirgall> twb I just put it in the /etc/modprobe.d
[09:07] <shirgall> twb: in fact, blacklist-framebuffer.conf in there should already have it
[09:07] <twb> shirgall: what, "blacklist vga16fb" or "install vga16fb /bin/false" ?
[09:07] <twb> shirgall: no, vga16fb is the one ubuntu *wants* me to load; they leave it in by default because they hate me
[09:07] <twb> shirgall: they only default to blacklisting stuff that breaks non-free nvidia and ati drivers
[09:07] <shirgall> twb: ah, I generally force vesafb instead
[09:08] <twb> shirgall: see, I don't want *any* framebuffer
[09:08] <twb> It breaks kvm -curses
[09:08] <shirgall> understood, you can certain uncomment vesafb in that file too
[09:08] <twb> Ugh: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/blacklist
[09:10] <twb> OK, "blacklist vga16fb" appeared to work.
[09:26] <twb> WTF is ntfs-3g doing in the ubuntu ramdisk?
[09:27] <twb> Like, just because ubuntu-standard recommends people have NTFS support, they need it *to boot*?
[09:51] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx, shall i add 2 things in case we are using a dhcp sever on same system on which cobbler is running?  in the configuration section?
[09:53] <koolhead11> also the 3ed error can be escaped :P
[09:55] <koolhead11> jdstrand, hello
[10:38] <Tensibai> Can someone help me with preseed file ? (mainly for the proxy in mirror selection)
[11:19] <TampiKo> help
[11:19] <TampiKo> /etc/init.d/postgresql restart
[11:19] <TampiKo> command?
[11:19] <TampiKo> restart
[11:20] <Guest72460> hi - i need some help please, i need to forward ip protocol 47 to the a masqueraded op address on my lan
[11:20] <Guest72460> *masqueraded ip address
[11:35] <koolhead11> TampiKo, >
[11:35] <koolhead11> ?
[11:36] <TampiKo> I reset the postgresql-8.1.4 as I do?
[11:40] <TampiKo> ?
[11:46] <Guest72460> *masqueraded ip address
[11:47] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead11: yeah just follow what is says after sudo cobbler check
[11:49] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx, i meant adding the modification bit if am running DHCP server on the same cobbler server apart from the 3ed error we get at time of sync. Also adding content inside the custom cobbler dhcp template file which over writes default dhcp config :)
[11:49] <koolhead11> TampiKo, i thought your asking something :)
[11:50] <TampiKo> ?
 help
 /etc/init.d/postgresql restart
[11:50] <TampiKo> gnuworld@srcarloncasmi:~$ /etc/init.d$ sudo ./postgresql restart
[11:50] <TampiKo> -su: /etc/init.d$: No such file or directory
[11:50] <TampiKo> gnuworld@srcarloncasmi:~$ /etc/init.d/postgresql restart
[11:50] <TampiKo> -su: /etc/init.d/postgresql: No such file or directory
[11:51] <koolhead11> TampiKo, have you compiled postgres from source?
[11:51] <TampiKo> gnuworld
[11:51] <TampiKo> o user postgres ?
[11:53] <koolhead11> jdstrand, the dhcp apparmor issue/bug i reported it is not a bug i suppose because am using the configuration file of dhcp via dhcp.template file of cobbler which overwrites dhcpd.conf
[12:06] <novitololo> I've a file inside /etc/apache2/sites-available that has the following line: ServerName www.mytest.com.  DocumentRoot /path_to_index.php  -- I also have /etc/hosts defined a line with <IP_ADDRESS> www.mytest.com.  My question is: Why do I have to have that line in /etc/hosts, if I'm already declaring what's the servername for that VHost?
[12:08] <shauno> the line in /etc/hosts isn't for the apache configuration.  it overrides the name resolution so when you stick www.mytest.com in your browser, it doesn't ask your isp's nameserver what the IP for mytest.com is.  it uses the one from /etc/hosts in preference
[12:10] <shauno> without it, apache knows that you want to answer requests for mytest.com, but nothing else on the machine does
[12:10] <novitololo> this explanation is awesome
[12:10] <novitololo> thanks a lot.
[12:11] <Guest72460> hi - i need some help please, i need to forward ip protocol 47 to the a masqueraded op address on my lan
[12:11] <Guest72460> *masqueraded ip address
[13:00] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead11: sorry, can't look at it at the momento
[13:00] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead11: but ping me next week
[13:00] <RoAkSoAx> as I'm in a business trip
[13:06] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx, will do. thanks
[13:25] <twister004> hi guys...... can my NIS client settings vanish after a reboot on a linux client?... there is no dir under /var/yp/binding.... it was present before the reboot.. how is this possible?... please advise!
[13:33] <twb> twister004: ubuntu sucks at nis IME
[13:33] <twb> First of all, make sure network manager isn't installed or running
[13:34] <twister004> twb.. can a directory just disappear like that?
[13:34] <twb> Dunno
[13:34] <twb> If you had an outage, fsck could've removed it due to brkage
[14:04] <TeTeT> SpamapS: Hi Clint, is there any chance to get bug 561750 fixed in Lucid soonish? LVM (customer) is requesting this
[14:12] <jdstrand> koolhead11: interesting. if this is a standard cobbler configuration, please note it in the bug-- it would be good to support that out of the box
[14:19] <morbidwar> hello, i have a little problem, i
[14:19] <morbidwar> hello, i have a little problem, i'm trying to run a custom script from crontab and it's not executed
[14:20] <morbidwar> and in the syslog everything's look fine
[14:20] <morbidwar> can somebody help me
[14:27] <elb0w> why cant I find sudo apt-get install courier-pop
[14:27] <elb0w> sudo apt-get install courier-imap on ubuntu 10.10
[14:56] <morbidwar> hello, i have a little problem with crontab and a script i made, if i run the script from the console with sh script.sh it runs but the crontab doesn't read it. the script is set to be executed (0755) and in the crontab i tryied to change the way the script was executed 0 * * * * ./location/script.sh and /bin/bash /location/script.sh and sh /location/script.sh but with no luck
[14:57] <koolhead11> elb0w, apt-cache search courier*
[14:59] <elb0w> I had to enable universe
[15:11] <sky1> ine frage, wenn ich vom system her ubuntu sagen soll, dass er bei einer anfrage zertifikate mit gibt, wie mach ich das? reicht es die zertifikate in /etc/ssl zu kopieren ? ...  ich weiß das sind wenig infos.. aber ich muss erstmal grundlegend wissen, wei in linux die zertifikate aktiviert werden ...
[15:26] <johnny2k> hello. any one have console localization experience? i see nice squares instead of words on last ubuntu serv
[15:27] <johnny2k> i try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and see letters as me need, but after reboot they disappear
[15:27] <johnny2k> plz help me
[15:33] <johnny2k> any docs?
[15:45] <pr3nt1c3> if I have kvm2... is virtualBox redundant?
[15:52] <soren> kvm2? What the heck is kvm2?
[15:53] <soren> pr3nt1c3: ^
[15:54] <pr3nt1c3> I meant LVM2
[15:54] <pr3nt1c3> typo
[15:54] <pr3nt1c3> logical volume mgmt
[15:55] <pr3nt1c3> I have 2x1.5TB drives, and I want the system to recognise an unbroken 3TB drive... then after this is done... I want to make sure that users can log into vBox VM's and have their session forwarded via network
[16:01] <pr3nt1c3> ok... the VG is 2.73TB in size... but only 1.3 is initialized... but the 'uninitialized' portion is my main filesys... where did I go wrong? I can't initialize the device as a) it's mounted... and b) hosts my server filesys and my user directories
[16:01] <pr3nt1c3> ideas?
[16:19] <hallyn_> pr3nt1c3: I think you need to give us some more info on what you had before, what you just changed, and what your problem now is.  Near as I can decipher you had an LVM on one drive, now you added another drive to the pv and want to extend the lv to include the new drive.  <shrug>
[16:19] <pr3nt1c3> which I've now done
[16:20] <pr3nt1c3> it just looks weird
[17:09] <bencc> whe editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config, can I just add my lines at the end of the file? will it overwrite previous lines?
[17:10] <bencc> or do I have to edit each line in the body of the file
[17:13] <netrat> bencc, i don't understand your question... are you talking about commenting lines out? why would it overwrite previous lines?
[17:14] <bencc> netrat: instead of commenting lines I just want to paste new lines
[17:14] <bencc> if my lines at the end of the file will take effect it's easier to maintain
[17:15] <bencc> for example, the line "Port 22"
[17:15] <bencc> I want to put a line "Port 22345" at the end of the file but without changing the previous line so it's faster to add and remove my changes
[17:20] <Err404NotFound> I have added something to cron with &>> /tmp/log but even though /var/log/cron says that cron was executed and i can otherwise verify that the script executed fine, i can't see anything in the /tmp/log
[17:21] <pmatulis> bencc: why don't you just try it?
[17:22] <bencc> pmatulis: because it might work by accident and be insecure and unreliable
[17:22] <RoyK> bencc: removing the # in front of a line doesn't take very long :P
[17:45] <Doonz> Hey guys, Im having trouble tracking down a straightfoward howto. What i did was expand an hardware array from 5tb to 10tb. now im trying to resize /dev/sdc1 to use the newly created free space any guides would be appreciated
[17:47] <RoyK> Doonz: did you replace smaller drives with bigger ones?
[17:47] <Doonz> RoyK: its a 16port raid controller just added more drives to the array
[17:48] <RoyK> so why do you try to resize sdc1?
[17:48] <Doonz> because drive /dev/sdc1 is only 5tb
[17:48] <RoyK> oh - hardware raid?
[17:49] <Doonz> yes
[17:49] <Doonz> sudo fdisk -l
[17:49] <Doonz> crap
[17:49] <Doonz> Disk /dev/sdc: 9999.9 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>640 bytes
[17:49] <RoyK> gparted is rather nice
[17:49] <Doonz> /dev/sdc1             5.4T  4.1T  1.1T  79%
[17:49] <Doonz> im running a headless server so cli only for me
[17:50] <RoyK> remote X should work, though
[17:50] <Doonz> wich would mean i would have to install it ....
[17:50] <RoyK> why not?
[17:50] <Doonz> not sure how to /me hangs head in shame
[17:50] <RoyK> fiddling with parted can be rather dangerous if you don't know how to
[17:50] <RoyK> apt-get install gparted
[17:51] <RoyK> if your workstation runs windoze, you'll need something like xming
[17:51] <RoyK> if not, it should be a trivial logout/login
[17:53] <Doonz> ok ima gonna
[17:53] <Doonz> try that
[17:55] <RoyK> Doonz: what OS on the workstation?
[17:55] <Doonz> win xp
[17:55] <RoyK> ok, then download xming, start it, configure putty to do X11 forwarding and you should be game
[17:56] <Doonz> ok
[17:56] <Doonz> lets see if i can do this
[17:56] <RoyK> :)
[17:59] <battle_warrior> hi, im trying to host a dedicated server of garys mod or css from steam off my linux pc which is linux mint 10 kde ive downloaded all the files  needed.. ive ported http://oi52.tinypic.com/14e00ee.jpg  can anyone explain on what to do next?
[18:00] <pr3nt1c3> if anyone is using transmission 2.13 and you know how to set-up the proxy so it's encrypted... let me know... it's no longer obvious in the pref's
[18:02] <Doonz> HOLY SHOOOT i did it
[18:02] <RoyK> :)
[18:02] <RoyK> wasn't that hard, was it? ;)
[18:03] <Doonz> ive tried a bunch of times
[18:03] <Doonz> and never go it to work
[18:03] <RoyK> xming?
[18:03] <Doonz> and x11 forwarding
[18:03] <RoyK> and now it took 5 minutes?
[18:04] <Doonz> yeah
[18:04] <Doonz> awesome!
[18:04] <RoyK> did you get gparted up?
[18:04] <Doonz> yeah i need to unmount the drive tho
[18:04] <RoyK> obviously, yes :P
[18:05] <pr3nt1c3> alternatively: ssh -X user@host works also
[18:05] <Doonz> yeah but im on windows
[18:07]  * RoyK stopped using windoze some 12 years ago and only uses it at gunpoint
[18:07] <Doonz> ive got proprietary apps that do not run virtualized so im stuck
[18:07] <RoyK> don't run virtualized?
[18:07] <RoyK> what sort of apps would that be?
[18:08] <Doonz> Control system apps
[18:08]  * RoyK uses a few very propritary apps in his Windoze VM
[18:08] <RoyK> proprietary, even
[18:09] <Doonz> yeah ive tried but it wont
[18:09] <RoyK> shouldn't be much difference for an app to run on a VM as compared to running on a dedicated machine
[18:10] <RoyK> that is - unless they do some nasty hardware or BIOS calls
[18:10] <RoyK> but I thought that was out of line a long time ago
[18:10] <Doonz> has to do with the security protocol they use for locking down the files
[18:11] <Doonz> the controlers to the pc communication will not work
[18:11] <RoyK> bad coding, then :P
[18:11] <RoyK> did you get the partition resized?
[18:12] <Doonz> just getting to it now
[18:12] <Doonz> resizing wont dstroy the data tho right
[18:12] <RoyK> hopefully not
[18:12] <Doonz> its not supposed to tho
[18:13] <Doonz> unless it buggers up right
[18:13]  * RoyK advices Doonz to keep a backup
[18:13] <RoyK> Doonz: btw, zfs is brilliant for such setups ;)
[18:13] <Doonz> yeah i have all the important stuff  mirrored both on another local server and an offsite server as well as stored in the cloud
[18:14] <RoyK> ok
[18:14] <Doonz> see i came from the windows world.... so back ups are a must
[18:14] <Doonz> lol
[18:15] <RoyK> backups are needed even in the unix world, beleve me ;)
[18:15] <Doonz> yeah but unix doesnt decide that you dont need your data
[18:15] <Doonz> windows likes to help clean up the drives
[18:15] <RoyK> that's rather nasty
[18:15] <Doonz> yea ut at least windwos is trying to be helpful
[18:15] <Doonz> lol
[18:16] <RoyK> an operating system shouldn't be helpful in that sort of terms
[18:16] <Doonz> it was just making sure i optimize my storage structure
[18:16] <RoyK> Doonz: I just got a message about a crash on one of the backup storage servers - server reported a 100TB zpool was inaccessible - that hurts
[18:17] <RoyK> a cold restart fixed it, though
[18:17] <Doonz> Heh
[18:17] <Doonz> we had a helpful electrician unplug our fiber link between sites one day
[18:17] <Doonz> lol
[18:17] <RoyK> heh - no harm done, I guess?
[18:18] <Doonz> kinda
[18:18] <RoyK> some hours of downtime is mostly acceptable
[18:18] <Doonz> that link was the connection to a datacenter wich host our simulation server
[18:18] <RoyK> hehe
[18:18] <Doonz> we were in the middle of showing the customer their new 5billion dollar plant
[18:18] <Doonz> :/
[18:18] <RoyK> :D
[18:18] <RoyK> how many compute nodes do you have there?
[18:19] <Doonz> its an interesting setup
[18:19] <RoyK> and what sort of parallelisation tech?
[18:20] <Doonz> Its a cluster of 15 heads units with 1857 gpus
[18:20] <Doonz> 1847*
[18:20] <RoyK> nice
[18:20] <RoyK> for what use?
[18:21] <Doonz> process simulation
[18:21] <Doonz> pretty sweet
[18:21] <RoyK> Doonz: I work for nilu.no - we still haven't had the FLEXPART model rewritten so it can support GPUs
[18:21] <Doonz> this is running idea's
[18:22] <RoyK> and currently, we only have about 120 CPUs running it
[18:22] <Doonz> wich has native gpu support and sacles liniar
[18:22] <Doonz> we only have 30 cpus in the node obviously
[18:22] <RoyK> idea?
[18:22] <Doonz> process simulation package
[18:22] <Doonz> brb ssboilers down
[18:32] <Doonz> well that was fun
[18:34] <Doonz> wow this x11 forwarding is pretty cool
[18:36] <lifesf> my server has an intermitent response problem... i can't figure out why; sometimes i can access it from local and external, and sometimes not at all yet it is still connected and everything up and running; and like right now, i cannot access it from external but i can from local
[18:36] <lifesf> and sometimes everything works perfect
[18:36] <lifesf> especially after a restart,... and then 10minutes later,... problem start appearing again
[18:43] <Doonz> i wonder how long it takes to do a filesystem check on 5tb
[18:51] <RoyK> Doonz: the filesystem won't grow automatically
[18:51] <Doonz> eh?
[18:51] <RoyK> Doonz: resize2fs is your friend
[18:51] <Doonz> yeah
[18:52] <koolhead17> hi all
[18:52] <RoyK> hi, koolhead17
[18:54] <koolhead17> hey RoyK
[18:57] <lifesf> can anyone help me out? :S
[19:04] <RoyK> lifesf: pastebin dmesg output
[19:04] <lifesf> ok
[19:07] <lifesf> i forget the site, my history isn't on this pc
[19:08] <RoyK> !pastebin
[19:09] <lifesf> http://paste.debian.net/116877/
[19:11] <lifesf> i'm connected via wireless at the moment but wether i was wireless or not it would still stop working local sometimes
[19:18] <lifesf> does it help?
[19:20] <wmp> hello
[19:21] <wmp> is possible to diplay what proces is in swap?
[19:23] <wmp> ok, i found: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/479953/how-to-find-out-which-processes-are-swapping-in-linux
[19:48] <lifesf> nobody know?
[19:48] <Doonz> so 5tb takes how long with e2fsck .........
[19:48] <Doonz> im thinking 18 hours
[19:48] <Doonz> any bets?
[19:48] <FK3> can someone recommend server software which can stream videos through web, not media tomb
[19:59] <Doonz> sorry FK3 i have now idea
[19:59] <FK3> no prob think ive found one
[20:10] <lifesf> sometimes can somtimes can't access server,...why? 11.04 install
[20:12] <Doonz> lifesf: sorry man i dont have an answer
[20:26] <jMyles> So, is there a way to deploy the OpenStack-powered UEC today?  Does it make sense to put new UEC deployments on hold for a bit?
[20:40] <pmatulis> jMyles: give it at least 6 months
[20:40] <jMyles> pmatulis: So what in the mean time?  Stick with Eucalyptus?
[20:51] <Doonz> ok i was way off on my guess only 2.5 hours for the filesystem check
[20:55] <CppIsWeird> does the latest version of ubuntu-server have a firewall installed by default? i did an do-release-upgrade and now openvpn wont work for anything. i've run over everything in openvpn about 10 times. im at a loss.
[20:58] <remix_tj> CppIsWeird: use tcpdump -p
[20:58] <remix_tj> to view if traffic is being dropped
[20:58] <remix_tj> CppIsWeird: or try with
[20:58] <remix_tj> iptables -L -n
[20:58] <remix_tj> and look if there is any rule
[20:59] <CppIsWeird> doesnt look like theres rules in any of the three sections
[21:07] <JanC> CppIsWeird: nothing in openvpn logs?
[21:11] <CppIsWeird> nothing that would indicate error. openvpn both in client and server thinks everything is okay. im suspicious of either something ran amock in windows networking or the server upgrade as it seemed to fail right around the upgrade.
[21:34] <matt_keys> I'm trying to move a web server over to ubuntu from centos. The previous admin used dbm=db:/path/to/rewrite.db in the rewrite configuration. I have enabled mod_rewrite, and moved the config over and enabled rewrite logging. When I rm the log and restart the server it gets created again, so I know it's reading the config but it doesn't appear to be pulling in the rewrites from those db files
[21:35] <RoyK> matt_keys: hi
[21:35] <matt_keys> RoyK: hello
[21:36] <matt_keys> Also, I've tried the AllowOverride all as suggested in the forums
[21:36] <matt_keys> I also have dbd, authz_dbm, and authn_dbd loaded
[21:37] <matt_keys> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be the problem?
[23:33] <Doonz> RoyK: you kicking around


[03:14] <kaeru> uname -a
[03:14] <kaeru> oops
[04:05] <brogan[m]> Is there a trick to having spotify exit to deskbar like it does on windows? i keep closing it 😖
[04:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> brogan: It's somewhere in the preferences for spotify (this is not an Ubuntu Studio-related question)
[04:20] <brogan[m]> ah yeah all good, sorry about that. prefs aren't the same on Linux i see.
[04:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> All good. On my way to bed, saw the question, knew the answer was somewhere in the prefs, but did need to let you know that the question was somewhat off-topic.
[07:46] <sakrecoer[m]> <OvenWerks "徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット🕸🏴: calf is "> all opinions are valid! i'm strugling to define or accept other peoples definitoon of  "substandard" when it comes to sound. All of ray charles recording on 8 track taperecorder can be considered substandard today. do they sound bad?
[07:53] <sakrecoer[m]> but i agree: reference is key to whatever "correct sound" means. basically the most subjective topic ever by definition. unless we talk about said sound being distorted/broken when played back on a different system then where it was mixed. which i've never experienced with calf. in fact i love them very much because they are the closest thing i've found to my beginings on cubaseSX
[08:01] <sakrecoer[m]> then again, i belong to those who consider debates arround for example "loudness war" to be the sound equivalent of a fashion-magazines debating baggy-pants. it's fun and engaging, but very few of those who adhere to baggy pants and those who like skinny jeans aren't going to change their style becaude of the debate.
[14:51] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: a plugin should not "zipper" when automated, The values on the knobs should related to the amount of actual adjustment. Calf fails both of these amung others. There is nothing wrong with using "bad" plugins as an effect or to create certain sounds as Unfa does (crank them up until they distort). As a general eq, as a transpartent compressor or limiter, better to use something else.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: oh, and I forgot to mention, a plugin should not crash it's host.
[15:19] <mjhouska[m]> got my blank dvd in the drive!
[15:20] <mjhouska[m]> 😀
[15:22] <Maik> usb stick is the way to go :P
[15:23] <Maik> unless you can't boot from usb of course
[15:23] <mjhouska[m]> oh yeah i should try that this time
[16:29] <sakrecoer[m]> valid points OvenWerks ! thanks for elaborating! none of them have applied to me, but that's just me. and i've never animated a compressor or a a reverb. (i should maybe try) but i have animated tje mono-synth and it does not seem have that problem on my machine
[16:30]  * sakrecoer[m] uploaded an image: 6a0120a85dcdae970b0128776ff992970c-pi.png (10KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/uKwWwAEdZlEXcjnTILLBTDpE/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128776ff992970c-pi.png >
[16:30] <sakrecoer[m]> i can give calf this certification 😅
[16:37] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: Calf next.0 shouldat least take care of the crashing the host problem. The GUI is getting a total renewal.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: someof the people who have been involved with Calf in the past have given up trying to fix it and started making their own plugins.
[16:39] <sakrecoer[m]> i see! thanks for the heads up OvenWerks i haven't checked in on the project in a while!
[16:46] <corrinado[m]> <OvenWerks "徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット🕸🏴: someof t"> Very interesting!
[17:52] <rgh> <OvenWerks "徒 𝖘𝖊𝖙𝖙𝖔 セット🕸🏴: someof t"> didn't know that o.O
[20:19] <zezalos> hi im fairly new to ubuntu studio and to linux.i have installed studio for music production. but im kinda overwhelmed by the things it has. as i saw it has many effects/instruments/qjack connector and so on
[20:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> zezalos: Do you have a specific question?
[20:19] <zezalos> so if i just want to work with all this things in lets say ardour or lmms how can i add all those to my daw?
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> zezalos: We can't do tutorials or walk you through how to do things in here. That would take too much precious volunteer time.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> zezalos: I recommend getting into a community and disucssing things there. This room is for troubleshooting issues.
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> zezalos: We have a general discussion room at #ubuntustudio-offtopic, and there are other discussion rooms at #opensourcemusicians and #lau (Linux Audio Users).
[20:21] <zezalos> oh ok. thanks
[20:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> zezalos: There's also tons of articles on the web if you look for them. Try to find some recent articles, they exist.
[20:23] <zezalos> Ok :)
[23:49] <linuxgecko> i've been using Carla for a while, and i love it. but now it's gone windowframeless, and during a monitor snafu, it's now stuck, frameless,maximized, on an inconvenient display. how do i get the frame back, or move when monitor it comandeers?


[17:56] <guiverc_t> uwn:  in comments i noted that one article read familiar (as if I'd written a summary for it before)... another in planet  I saw (not copied to uwn) & responded to [b.quigley] was it turns out written 2016-03-01 but was dated 2017-01-04 in planet feed ...  maybe same for one I commented about...
[17:59] <guiverc_t> there was an apology in planet.debian (I think) from someone (j.hess?) that a misconfig of http/https: caused his blog to be doubled in planet.feeds .. i see it semi-regularly  (fedora, opensuse - which I gather use same software to crawl blogs for planet.*)
[17:59] <pleia2> good catch, thanks chris :)
[18:00]  * pleia2 looks at comments in doc
[18:39] <pleia2> still need all the blogosphere summaries


[00:17] <Sarvatt> RAOF: also laptop only
[00:21] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Doesn't appear to be explicitly laptop-only?
[00:21] <RAOF> Or, rather, there doesn't seem to be any reason external displays couldn't implement the same thing.
[00:22] <Sarvatt> http://techreport.com/news/25878/nvidia-responds-to-amd-free-sync-demo
[00:22] <Sarvatt> it'd need a new scaler in the monitor which is what gsync is
[00:25]  * RAOF is not entirely sure why external displays have scalers in them anyway.
[00:26] <RAOF> So that could be pretty simply solved :P
[00:29] <RAOF> New question: why does Intel allocate the root window differently, in a way that fails, when I pass -rootless? To the gdbatron!
[01:47] <RAOF> Oh, right.
[01:47] <RAOF> Because it turns out that Intel doesn't allocate 0x0 pixmaps in VRAM.
[01:47] <RAOF> Who knew?!
[05:41] <RAOF> Dear X damage: WTF?
[05:45] <duflu> RAOF: Inaccurate damage reports?
[05:45] <duflu> Racey?
[05:45] <RAOF> Curiously offset.
[05:45] <duflu> Oh, fun
[05:45] <RAOF> Apparrently by screen_x, screen_y.
[05:46] <RAOF> So the damage region comes out as (-230, ...) → (214, ...)
[05:46] <duflu> RAOF: Cos Mir has your screens at different locations to where X thinks? :)
[05:49] <RAOF> No; apparently because COMPOSITE interacts strangely with damage.
[06:02] <duflu> I do recall thinking I had Compiz damage handling theoretically water tight, and then seeing bugs on random occasions
[06:05] <RAOF> Well, that would have been asynchronous.
[06:05] <RAOF> Making everything significantly more difficult.
[06:19] <duflu> Yes, being outside the server did pose the biggest hurdles
[06:20] <duflu> But my Ubuntu desktop doesn't look /too/ broken right now :)
[06:23] <RAOF> Hm. Am I using a version of Mir that's unable to service requests from two windows at the same time?
[06:29] <RAOF> Grr. Is it just me, or is the msg-processor-report roughly useless?
[06:35]  * duflu hasn't used it
[06:45] <RAOF> Bah! It *is* Mir failing to send me buffers again.
[06:48] <RAOF> I mean, I'm also doing things wrong, but Mir is definitely doing them wrong as well. Bah.
[06:53] <didrocks> RAOF: shared guilt? :)
[06:53] <didrocks> hey RAOF ;)
[06:53] <RAOF> didrocks: Yo!
[06:53] <RAOF> Well, I'm merely crashing the X server when I try and start xterm.  I know kgunn was checking our docs were current recently he may know more. (But is on Texas time)
[10:45] <janimo> alan_g, thanks. I am trying to learn more about mir/xmir/unity8 and try as much of it as possible out on a regular x86 desktop
[10:46] <janimo> the unity compositor/xmir part seems to be ok so far (as others have found) on integrated intel GPUs
[10:46] <alan_g> janimo: AFAIK unity8 uses unity-mir for Qt bindings
[10:46] <janimo> alan_g, seeing whether I can run unity8  was the next step :)
[10:47] <anpok> and qt itself uses platform api
[10:48] <anpok> qt-ubuntu that is
[10:49] <janimo> I just saw an old (May 2013) video with Unity8 running on a laptop, and was wondering whether that is still possible or it was mostly amockup that has been abandoned
[10:50] <alan_g> Right. I guess that platform api is preferred over qmir. I'll ask kgunn to confirm before changing the Wiki.
[10:52] <alan_g> janimo: you're probably better asking on #ubuntu-unity. But my understanding is that it should be possible to get it to work (but it won't, for example, adapt properly to the screen size.)
[10:53] <janimo> alan_g, just basic working UI without sensor support or other niceties would be enough for now, I'll ask there thanks
[11:36] <alf__> janimo: The high level picture is unity8 -> qt -> qt-ubuntu -> platform-api -> mir, and also unity8 -> unity-mir -> mir
[11:36] <alf__> greyback: ^^ please correct me if I am wrong
[11:37] <greyback> alf__: correct
[11:37] <janimo> alf__, the former for Android the latter for desktop?
[11:38] <alf__> janimo: no, both for both
[11:39] <janimo> alf__, which package provides qt_ubuntu ?
[11:39] <janimo> the latter sequence is not using qt at all? I am not sure what the two separate path are then (apps vs shell?)
[11:40] <greyback> janimo: qtubuntu-android I think
[11:41] <janimo> greyback, does it need some more work for desktop or is it misnamed (android)
[11:41] <greyback> janimo: the second path exists because unity8 is a mir server. That code path starts up Mir, and exports mir info to unity8 (via unity-mir) allowing unity8 to read window lists and change window placement/management
[11:43] <greyback> janimo: but unity8 also wants to draw a shell, the dash, launcher, etc. So for that, unity8 also acts just like any other mir client - that's the 1st code path
[11:45] <greyback> janimo: largely misnamed. It works on desktop - only annoyance is it depends on libhybris which does misconfigure your desktop. I think a patch just landed to qtubuntu to fix that, so there will be a "qtubuntu-desktop" package soon
[11:45] <janimo> greyback, by mir at the end of both code paths do we mean the unity-system-compositor ?
[11:46] <janimo> unclear at first site which of those are libraires/daemons or even protocols :)
[11:47] <greyback> janimo: no, unity8 is an instance of a mir server. It is meant to run with user permissions, only when user logs into their account. U-S-C is another Mir instance, which runs asap at startup, as root user, and is resposible for the login greeter, startup animations and user switching
[11:47] <janimo> since I understood mir is two libraries (server and client) to build higher level components from, it confuses me when I see a role attributed to Mir
[11:48] <alf__> janimo: for these paths s/mir/libmirserver/
[11:48] <janimo> ack
[11:48] <greyback> mir supports nested servers, so unity8 mir server will be a client of the USC mir server
[11:49] <janimo> and xmir is only a transitional step, but otherwise it won't be needed on unity8 desktop?
[11:51] <greyback> yes  - though will be needed for compatibility for exotic toolkits which do not have native support for mir, only X
[11:59] <alf__> janimo: also note that xmir is moving towards rootless support (being able to run x apps as windows in unity8) instead of the current state which is running a whole X session under mir.
[12:00] <janimo> alf__, I noticed that. I first ran xmir today, and mostly read docs so far
[12:00] <janimo> I am more interested in running unity8/mir without the android bits and using mesa, rather than desktop use cases/convergence
[12:01] <janimo> so tablet like use case but on the free stack
[12:01] <janimo> this is a subset of the full converge work AFAIK
[12:02] <ogra_> note that the nested U-S.C and Mir stuff will land on the phone next week (or so... still waiting for a hybris patch to land it)
[12:03] <alf__> alan_g: anpok: Do you have any (links to) notes from our discussion about hardware layer and related APIs? I was looking at lp:~kdub/mir/db-optimize but I get the feeling that we discussed something slightly different in terms of API (execute-around-method?), but perhaps that was at a higher level?
[12:04] <alan_g> alf__: someone took photos but I've not got a link
[12:05] <alf__> alan_g: I think it was kdub :)
[12:26] <anpok> alf__: we discussed various variants
[12:26] <anpok> to which one did we settle?
[12:28] <alf__> anpok: that's what I don't remember :)
[12:28] <anpok> alf__: there was the topic of locking planes between the start of drawing and the final post
[12:28] <anpok> i.e. to cover things like, somebody plugs in a monitor and the scan out engine has not enough overlays/planes left ..
[12:32] <anpok> (provided thats possible at all)
[12:33] <anpok> i wonder if the interface shouldnt be just: draw(list<buffers_with_transformation>) .
[12:40] <alan_g> alf__: anpok we settled on Mir being told "draw these" - no holding locks across interactions
[12:41] <anpok> so it would fallback on its own when necessary
[12:43] <alan_g> "fallback" being gl compositing? Yes
[12:44] <alf__> alan_g: anpok: What triggered my concerns was that lp:~kdub/mir/db-optimize introduces the optimize() call which means that we may need to keep state between optimize() and post(). I think I remember some related discussion, but it could be that the discussions were for a higher level, or that my memory is failing me.
[12:44] <anpok> is display_buffer the interface level
[12:44] <anpok> yes
[12:45] <anpok> is that the interface level were that would happen or is there a more higher level interface the shell would ues..
[12:45] <anpok> it is now in display_buffer::optimize
[12:53] <alan_g> I don't believe we have a migration path thought out - this is still a couple of items down the backlog. But surely "optimize" and "post" are both part of the "draw these" processing.
[13:04] <anpok> looking at the interfaces there again, i think display_info should be the place to add draw_these
[13:41] <anpok> alf__: will make another MP - I would then also eradicate the k-constants. if there is no futher objection
[13:42] <alf__> anpok: sure
[13:42] <anpok> I was reluctant because I found two forms of constants.. with the normal variable nameing style, and ALL_CAPS
[14:09] <davmor2> just had my first lockup on maguro since the new mir landed so I don't know what it changed but it isn't dying anywhere near as often on maguro now well done team :)
[14:12] <dandrader> alf__, hey, got some spare time to help a mostly clueless guy with "OpenGL in Qt vs EGL in Mir" issues (on the "qml as mir compositor" task)?
[14:14] <dandrader> my qml compositor is notified about the creation of a client surface. so I create the corresponding qt scene graph and qml item for it, to that is gets displayed on the qml scene
[14:14] <alf__> dandrader: sure
[14:14] <alan_g> anpok: ALL_CAPS should be reserved for preprocessing macros
[14:14] <dandrader> but when I call bind_to_texture
[14:14] <anpok> alan_g: i agree
[14:14] <anpok> will include that way then ..
[14:14] <dandrader> the texture displaying the client surface is there being shown and updating nicely on the qml scene
[14:15] <dandrader> but all other gl textures used by Qt get borked
[14:15] <dandrader> the one used to hold fonts is blanked
[14:15] <dandrader> and the other used to hold an image starts showing the contents of that client mir surface as well
[14:16] <anpok> is that GL vs GLESv2?
[14:17] <dandrader> alf__, I could make a video if that would help understanding the situation
[14:18] <alf__> dandrader: no need, do you have some code I can read/try out?
[14:19] <dandrader> alf__, I do, but is not so convenient as you need to build and install a couple of repos (a qpa, a specific mir version, install qt 5.2..)
[14:19] <dandrader> ah, and a specific platform-api as well
[14:19] <dandrader> alf__, want to try it still? :)
[14:21] <alf__> dandrader: I would at least like to just quickly check what it is doing :)
[14:21] <alf__> dandrader: so perhaps not run it yet
[14:27] <dandrader> alf__, 1- so, install qt 5.2 from that "canonical edgers" qpa, 2- that mir lp:~unity-team/mir/mir-for-qpamirserver, 3- that platform-api lp:~dandrader/platform-api/set_window_dimensions and 4- that qpa lp:~unity-team/mir/mir-for-qpamirserver
[14:28] <dandrader> alf__, sorry, the qpa is this one: lp:~unity-team/+junk/qpa-mirserver
[14:29] <dandrader> alf__, then follow the instructions in the README in this qpa-mirserver on how to run the demo shell and client
[14:29] <alf__> dandrader: ok, I will start by just reading the code and see if I actually built this :)
[14:30] <dandrader> alf__, ah, and that's on a nexus 10
[14:31] <alf__> dandrader: btw, how does your work overlap with what greyback is doing?
[14:32] <dandrader> alf__, its the same code base
[14:32] <dandrader> alf__, I'm just trying to help him out while he's busy with other work (e.g. side stage, etc)
[14:36] <alf__> dandrader: ok, mir::graphics::Buffer::bind_to_texture() needs an existing texture to bind the contents of the buffer to, i.e. it doesn't create a texture itself.
[14:40] <alf__> dandrader: my guess is that in MirBufferSGTexture you need to create a texture (whose id you can then return in textureId()) and bind to that
[14:41] <alf__> dandrader: so, more or less: glGenTexture() once, and glBindTexture(), Buffer::bind_to_texture()] in MirBufferSGTexture::bind()
[14:42] <alf__> dandrader: (unless qt provides a better way to deal with raw gl objects)
[14:43] <alf__> dandrader: see src/server/compositor/gl_renderer.cpp:199
[14:45] <dandrader> alf__, excelent. makes sense. thanks, I will try it! For me the interaction between EGL and the current OpenGL context in Qt is a really gray area
[14:47] <dandrader> alf__, so glEGLImageTargetTexture2DOES(GL_TEXTURE_2D, image) acts on the GL_TEXTURE_2D of the currently active texture unit in the current Openg GL context. is that it?
[14:48] <greyback> alf__: aaahhh, dammit that makes sense
[14:48]  * greyback kicks himself hard
[14:50] <alf__> dandrader: yes, on the target the currently active texture unit (i.e. what was last bound with glBindTexture() on that unit)
[14:51] <alf__> dandrader: don't forget to set attributes of the texture as in gl_renderer.cpp
[14:51] <dandrader> alf__, ok, thanks!
[14:53] <alf__> dandrader: hmm, although I see some qt calls in MirBufferSGTexture::MirBufferSGTexture that indicate that perhaps qt can do that for you, provided it somehow gets the texture id from you?
[14:55] <dandrader> alf__, from my current understanding I think qt expects a QSGTexture (which MirBufferSGTexture extends) to do the texture creation itself. although it might have some kind convenience wrapper, which use should be optional
[15:05] <alf__> dandrader: I am wondering whether the setFiltering(...) ... updateBindOptions() etc calls in the constructor will have any effect, since the texture is not bound yet at that point...
[15:08] <dandrader> alf__, AFAIU, they just fill up the internal variables of QSGTexture
[15:08] <dandrader> like in a simple POD struct
[15:09] <dandrader> alf__, so that the scene graph might query them later one
[15:09] <dandrader> s/one/on
[15:10] <alf__> dandrader: right, but I guess that updateBindOptions() actually applies these values, which will need a bound texture?
[15:10]  * dandrader checks
[15:11] <dandrader> alf__, you're right
[15:11] <dandrader> alf__, thanks for pointing that out!
[15:12] <alf__> dandrader: np
[15:24] <ogra_> mterry, FYI, maguro tested and running fine with nested mode, now we just need to get ricmm_ to commit that hybris fix for grouper
[15:25] <mterry> ogra_, awesome.  I was able to revive my grouper device from what I thought was certain death, so I can test that when it's available
[15:25]  * mterry gets excited for nested mode to land
[15:26] <ogra_> good, i can test too ... we just need to clone ricmm_ somehow ... he is swamped i think
[15:26] <ogra_> or get asac to announce that we drop grouper :P
[15:28] <ogra_> mterry, bah, spoke to soon, seems i cant wake it up from suspend
[15:28] <mterry> ogra_, oh no
[15:29]  * ogra_ reboots
[15:31] <ogra_> hmm, now it wakes up but takes nearly 10sec to do so after pressing the button
[15:31] <dandrader> alf__, problem solved! thanks a lot!!!
[15:31] <dandrader> greyback, \o/
[15:31] <ogra_> ... and works immediately on all subsequent presses
[15:31] <ogra_> this is weird
[15:31] <greyback> dandrader: woo! thanks alf__ !!
[15:33] <alf__> dandrader: greyback: great!
[15:34] <alan_g> alf__: got time to comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/expose-rpc-infrastructure/+merge/200879?
[15:35] <alf__> alan_g: sure, will look in 5'
[15:39] <ogra_> mterry, hmm, looking with dbus-monitor it seems like the display stays off until there is dbus feedback from NM o_O ...
[15:40] <ogra_> i reliably see it turning on if the NM response to the resume shows up
[15:40] <mterry> ogra_, well this branch does move the dbus service that powerd talks to from unity8 to unity-system-compositor...
[15:40]  * ogra_ wonders how that can be connected
[15:42] <ogra_> mterry, well, it looks like the screen only turns on when indicator-network activation happens
[15:42] <ogra_> which is pretty strange
[15:43] <mterry> let me see if I see anything similar on manta
[15:43] <ogra_> might be a coincidence, but it is pretty reproducable
[15:43] <ogra_> (running dbus-monitor as the phablet user indeed)
[15:47] <mterry> ogra_, I don't see similar behavior on mako or manta
[15:47] <ogra_> this is good ...
[15:47] <ogra_> but on maguro it will bite us in the tests
[15:47] <mterry> yup
[15:47] <mterry> :(
[15:47] <ogra_> (since they fail if unlocking doesnt happen in time)
[15:48] <ogra_> we had such a thing before (i guess davmor2 remembers) ... but it was fixed inbetween
[15:48]  * ogra_ tries to find the old bug
[15:48] <mterry> kdub, are you still well versed in nesting mode concerns?  We're seeing a weird behavior on maguro where the screen doesn't wake up in a timely fashion  ^
[15:49] <ogra_> bug 1255045
[15:50] <davmor2> ogra_: if you drop grouper and maguro what the hell do I test on
[15:50] <ogra_> davmor2, the new flo and mako your manager has sent you before we dropped them ;)
[15:51] <davmor2> ogra_: but these are both mine that I bought to play with Ubuntu on :'(
[15:52] <ogra_> mterry, so it seems this patch from duflu fixed it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/unity-mir/trunk/revision/154 ... i wonder if u-s-c needs a similar patch if the screen is now handled through it
[15:52] <ogra_> davmor2, so you can still do community testing with them
[15:52] <davmor2> ogra_: When! :D
[15:54] <mterry> ogra_, yup.  That patch didn't make it to u-s-c
[15:54]  * mterry whips up a branch
[15:55] <ogra_> awesome !
[15:55] <ogra_> that was quick :)
[15:57] <davmor2> ogra_: what is usc to you? It is Ubuntu Software Center to me :)
[15:57] <ogra_> not in this channel ;)
[15:57] <ogra_> unity-system-compositor
[15:57] <davmor2> ah
[15:57] <ogra_> everywhere else it is ubuntu-software-center ;)
[15:58] <davmor2> you can understand my confusion now though right we really need to start thinking more about initials and if the already exist :D
[16:02] <mterry> ogra_, do you mind giving lp:~mterry/unity-system-compositor/dbus-screen-fix a test?  I'll test on my other devices to confirm no regressions
[16:05] <janimo> kgunn, hi, which are the new mir integration tests in trusty-proposed? What package?
[16:05] <ogra_> mterry, will do will take a bit (meeting run for the next 2h now and i have no active arm build env atm)
[16:05] <mterry> ogra_, OK, will mark it for merge review so jenkins makes a deb
[16:05] <ogra_> ++
[16:05] <kgunn> janimo: hey!...yeah...yesterday they were in the devel-proposed image
[16:05] <janimo> kgunn, I have 121 installe don the n4
[16:06] <kgunn> janimo: to double check apt-cache policy libmirserver* if you have libmirserver12 installed tests should be there
[16:06] <kgunn> janimo: well...actually
[16:06] <kgunn> janimo: you'll need to apt-get install mir-test-tools
[16:06] <janimo> mir-test-tools itself is not, indeed
[16:07] <janimo> kgunn, any chance of adding it by default in the image? The use case is network not being available while doing graphics bringup and testing is
[16:07] <mterry> ogra_, hopefully when you're ready, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/dbus-screen-fix/+merge/201211 will have debs
[16:08] <ogra_> perfect !
[16:08] <janimo> kgunn, not sure whose call is adding packages to the build. ogra?
[16:08] <ogra_> janimo, i just add them on request to the seeds (if they actually need seeding, ususally deps just pull things in)
[16:09] <janimo> ogra_, well I can request adding mir-test-tools but someone else needs to approve such requests I guess
[16:09] <janimo> and ask for a reasone (which I provided above for this particular request)
[16:09] <ogra_> kgunn, do they install any upstart job or anything that would make a binary start etc ?
[16:09] <ogra_> or would thesy just add some extra binaries that arent used by anything
[16:10] <janimo> ogra_, well they have 5 deps (lttng, libumockdev, liburcu1) so may not be very straighforward from seedin PoV
[16:11] <janimo> ogra_, but other than that they are a couple of binaries to test Mir client and server
[16:13] <janimo> ogra_, but it is those deps that make it desirable by default in the image, to avoid installing many debs by hand
[16:14] <ogra_> janimo, hmm, not sure what the mock pieces might do
[16:14] <janimo> especially when the image being tested is no longer the very latest and there are newer versions of libmirserver and libmirclient
[16:14] <ogra_> was long as system behavior doesnt change due to a seed change i'm all fine
[16:15] <ogra_> read: someone needs to a) run the whole testsuite with them installed and make sure nothing fails
[16:15] <janimo> ogra_, I'll do that and let you know
[16:15] <ogra_> b) give me an MP against the ubuntu-touch seed branch
[16:15] <ogra_> (and c) some manual smoketesting would be nice but not mandatory)
[16:16] <janimo> ogra_, well the mir tests set up fake DRM devices or various other udev driven environment bits
[16:16] <janimo> hence umockdev -
[16:16] <ogra_> right
[16:16]  * janimo has just grepped the sources
[16:16] <ogra_> as long as they only do that when invoked by a test and not in the general system thats fine
[16:17] <ogra_> if they modify (install udev rules) the system in a permanent way we cant just ship it
[16:17] <ogra_> janimo, given pitti is the umockdev upstream, he can probably shed some light on if it makes sense to ship that stuff by default
[16:18] <ogra_> he should know the impact
[16:20] <janimo> ogra_, it's only libumockdev that is depended upon , not the umockdev binary
[16:21]  * janimo wonders whether a custom build channel devel-devel would make sense
[16:21] <janimo> devel version of ubuntu with development/testing  related packages added in the image
[16:22] <janimo> targetting bringup and porting work mostly
[16:22] <janimo> or even automated hw test setups
[16:25] <ogra_> janimo, well, i would expect a bringup to be done on a rw image in any case
[16:26] <ogra_> so the channels wouldnt really help here
[16:26] <mterry> ogra_, hrm.  With my patch, u-s-c crashes with the "could not activate surface with eglMakeCurrent" error
[16:26] <ogra_> mterry, i guess we need duflu ... he wrote the original
[16:28] <mterry> kdub, you around?
[16:30] <kdub> mterry, otp
[16:31] <mterry> kdub, ok, no worries.  when you're done, I'd like some talk-through help
[16:35] <kgunn> janimo: sorry...i am otp to...lost context...you ok? or got other questions ?
[16:36] <kdub> mterry, ok, done with the call, whats up?
[16:36] <kgunn> mterry: that looks like the annoying "unity8 took long to shut down..and powerd switched blank on..now mir can't get screen"
[16:36] <kgunn> mterry: if you do "powerd-cli display on bright" from root on device
[16:36] <mterry> kdub, so.  For nested mode, I've moved the dbus interface that powerd talks to from unity-mir to unity-system-compositor
[16:36] <kgunn> it should hold the display on for testing...
[16:37] <kgunn> obviously....if its not just testing....then yeah, we have a problem
[16:37] <mterry> kgunn, yeah not just for testing  :(
[16:37] <mterry> kdub, but a fix went in in the meantime to fix a screen blanking issue on maguro.  I've ported that patch over to u-s-c too, but now I get an error "could not activate surface with eglMakeCurrent".  Here's my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/dbus-screen-fix/+merge/201211
[16:37] <janimo> kgunn, I am ok, just wanted to know what your team thinks of adding mir-test-tools to the default images
[16:37] <mterry> kdub, now...  can starting a compositor twice be bad?  Should I be guarding those calls to start/stop?
[16:38] <kgunn> janimo: i'm fine with that idea...kdub ? you ok if mir-test-tools shows up in images ?
[16:38] <kdub> kgunn, sure, works for me
[16:39] <kgunn> mterry: kdub ( ricmm_ & greyback to a degree)....i think we need to have a sequence diagram of screen blanking...
[16:39] <kdub> mterry, with the way mir code is now, start() shouldn't be called twice, i can patch that though
[16:39] <kdub> kgunn, i agree
[16:39] <kgunn> we keep suffering either bugs in the product...or annoyances in testing...
[16:40] <kgunn> kdub: i know you're busy on hwc stuff....
[16:40] <mterry> kdub, I'm not certain I'm calling it twice right now...  But it just seemed possible
[16:40] <mterry> kdub, there doesn't seem to be a call to see 'isStarted' or something to even guard the call
[16:40] <mterry> kdub, if I did call it twice, would that explain the crash I'm seeing?
[16:41] <kdub> i think it could, but i have to poke around to be sure
[16:41] <mterry> kdub, OK.  I will also test on my end with my own guard variable
[16:42] <kdub> i'll fix it in mir, shouldn't take too long
[16:43] <kdub> the call to blank/unblank though is guarded against double on's
[16:48] <mterry> Guh!  Now I can't reproduce
[16:49] <kdub> now that you added the guard?
[16:49] <mterry> ogra_, ^ can't reproduce anymore, so I'd still like to see your testing results when you can get to them.  No rush
[16:49] <mterry> kdub, no, just at all
[16:50] <mterry> I reproduced it several times in a row...  Now nothing
[16:50] <ogra_> it seems unreliable ... even on my maguro i have it sometimes react immediately (most of the time it takes >10sec to wake up though)
[16:51] <mterry> I meant the u-s-c crash, but yeah, these powerd interactions seem less than predictable
[16:51] <ogra_> oh, ok
[16:52] <mterry> I haven't been able to reproduce the screen wake up problem at all.  Might just be a maguro issue
[16:52] <ogra_> yeah, like the old one was
[16:53] <alan_g> kdub: do you still dislike "namespace google { namespace protobuf { class RpcChannel; } }"?
[16:53] <mterry> debs are in the merge for ya, btw
[16:54] <alan_g> alf__: anpok opinions on "namespace google { namespace protobuf { class RpcChannel; } }" as a single line?
[16:57] <kdub> i don't mind it in general, but the rest of the code puts something like that on 7 lines
[16:59] <alf__> alan_g: I am ok with one level of "namespace X { class Yy }", but with more I think the class name is somewhat lost in the text
[17:01] <alf__> alan_g: e.g., I would be more OK with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6727615/ if we want to keep it short
[17:08] <janimo> ogra_, better than I thought, all the deps of mir-test-tools are already in the image (they were not on my desktop only)
[17:09] <ogra_> janimo, ah, perfect ...
[17:11] <janimo> ogra_, where is the bzr branch you need a MR agains for adding mir-test-tools ?
[17:22] <alan_g> alf__: sorry, got distracted. I don't think we have a consensus format.
[17:25] <janimo> ogra_, https://code.launchpad.net/~jani/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty-mir-test-tools/+merge/201236
[17:26] <ogra_> janimo, perfect
[17:32] <kgunn> janimo: i saw your mail...about the failing tests....did you stop unity8 before running ?
[17:32] <kgunn> kdub: janimo should stop unity8 correct ?? ^
[17:33] <kdub> yes
[17:33] <kgunn> at least i did stop unity8....and integration, acceptance tests pass 100%
[17:33] <kdub> although segfaults shouldnt be happening
[17:33] <kgunn> unit-test fails...only 1 after many...its the
[17:34] <janimo> kgunn, I did not stop it :)
[17:34] <janimo> kgunn, well then the tests are great, since the majority passed even with unity8 running
[17:34] <kgunn> janimo: ok...hopefully you'll get even better results when you try with untiy8 stoped
[17:35] <janimo> kgunn, how is that doen again? kill the process or some upstart command?
[17:35] <janimo> I keep forgetting even though I had stopped unity8 in the past IIRC
[17:36] <alan_g> janimo: sudo -u phablet -i stop unity8
[17:37] <kdub> janimo, sent a mail, but last I remember, mir_stress should be run against a demo server
[17:38] <kgunn> janimo: right...running as "phablet" just "stop unity8"
[17:39] <kgunn> janimo: also...as kdub says....really for the case of this testing...it should be unit, integration & acceptance
[17:39] <janimo> I used su - phablet and that did not find stop. I need to remember to stick to sudo -i -H -u phablet
[17:45] <kgunn> janimo: i'm gonna update https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1oxXDxehRQ35rYRwkuBCy1ZNmB_IBpg5UhE3jvNHEk_0/edit#
[17:45] <kgunn> with the unity8 stop
[17:47] <janimo> kgunn, ok. I just sent a new email
[17:50] <kgunn> janimo: thanks..
[17:54] <ogra_> janimo, never use su :)
[17:54] <ogra_> (gets you a totally different env than sudo)
[17:55] <janimo> ogra_, yes  I remember the thread on the mailing list a few months ago, but it seemed to end inconclusively
[17:55] <janimo> I had used su - so far because it is shorter :)
[17:55] <ogra_> we use sudo -u phablet -i everywhere
[17:55] <janimo> ogra_, I will too from now on :)
[17:55] <ogra_> yeah :)
[17:55] <ogra_> janimo, meta uploaded btw
[17:57] <janimo> ogra_, thanks
[20:35] <mterry> Does mirserver initialize the display to on or off on startup?  (by itself, not worrying about powerd right now)
[20:35]  * mterry is trying to wade through the code to determine, but perhaps someone knows off the top of their head
[20:52] <anpok> mterry: i dont think so, it only interferes with hwc and framebuffer device
[20:52] <mterry> anpok, so it leaves it uninitialized until powerd asks the compositor to turn it on/off?
[20:53] <mterry> anpok, mirserver deals with screen when that happens via Display::configure()
[20:53] <mterry> I'd assumed it would do something on startup too
[20:55] <kdub> mterry, it does set the screen to unblanked on start
[20:55] <mterry> kdub, OK, cool.  Where?
[20:57] <anpok> HWCCommondevice::turn_screen_on ..
[20:57] <kdub> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/view/head:/src/platform/graphics/android/hwc_common_device.cpp#L58
[20:57] <anpok> but I thought that would not turn the display on/off
[20:58] <kdub> anpok, those hal functions should blank or unblank the fb device
[20:59] <kdub> mterry, is that what you meant, or did you mean something else?
[21:00] <mterry> kdub, I believe that's what I wanted, yeah
[21:01] <kdub> cool... that constructor should get hit when the_display() is called the first time (not for nested / offscreen of course)
[21:09] <mterry> kdub, hmm
[21:10] <mterry> kdub, testing restarting unity8 with the screen off doesn't turn screen on
[21:11] <kdub> restarting how
[21:11] <kdub> and in what powerd state?
[21:13] <mterry> kdub, um
[21:14] <mterry> kdub, I had pressed power button so screen was off
[21:14] <mterry> kdub, then I did a "sudo -u phablet -i restart unity8"
[21:15] <kdub> right, so the power button allows the system to enter 'powerd inactive'
[21:16] <kdub> my understanding is that everyone could assume that things were on to start with... although hopefully the discussion about those power interactions clarifies the situation
[21:16] <mterry> kdub, sure.  I'm just trying to document the current situation.  And if mirserver is turning display on on startup, I'd expect a unity8 restart to turn display on
[21:17] <kdub> right, it should
[21:18] <mterry> hmm


[09:22] <juan> my grub doesn't read my hdb where i have installed zenwalk, what do i have to do in order for grub to recognize zen?
[09:24] <coreymon77> BlueDevil: why not just install ubuntu-desktop, you can then use all of the gnome apps in kde
[09:25] <coreymon77> BlueDevil: and you will get the gnome configuration tools
[09:25] <juan> coreymon77, any ideas?
[09:25] <coreymon77> juan: no clue
[09:26] <gellioth> thanks to all the people that was helpping me in configuring my kubuntu (bed english)
[09:26] <gellioth> bad english
[09:26] <coreymon77> gellioth: no problem, tahts what we are here for
[09:26] <gellioth> :-)
[10:56] (gellioth/#kubuntu) trakinas: ?
[10:56] (intelikey/#kubuntu) it that all ?
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) well
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) there are many
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) like
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) this
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) ind: /var/tmp/kdecache-root: Permission denied
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) but are all
[10:56] (marko_/#kubuntu) permission denied
[10:57] (intelikey/#kubuntu) find /var -type f -iname *lock* 2>/dev/null | grep deb
[10:57] (trakinas/#kubuntu) gellioth: on the app?
[10:57] (intelikey/#kubuntu) any output ?
[10:57] (gellioth/#kubuntu) Ive killed the desktop... help?
[10:57] (trakinas/#kubuntu) just its command
[10:57] <marko_> intelikey,  nop
[10:57] <intelikey> marko sudo it
[10:57] <trakinas> gellioth: Im kind of busy and didnt understand what you meant with what you should put
[10:58] <marko_> intelikey,  nothing
[10:58] <marko_> either
[10:58] <intelikey> marko_ drop the | grep  and pastebin the output
[10:58] <gellioth> trakinas: last one Ive killed the desktop what can I do?
[10:59] <stdin> wouldn't "sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" do it?
[10:59] <marko_> intelikey, what ?
[10:59] <marko_> only
[10:59] <marko_> find /var -type f -iname *lock* 2>/dev/null
[10:59] <marko_> ?
[10:59] <intelikey> stdin you think config.dat it's self is locked without a lock file ?
[10:59] <gellioth> trakinas: anly that and I will not disturb you more?
[10:59] <intelikey> marko_ yes
[10:59] <marko_> i did
[10:59] <marko_> should i paste
[10:59] <marko_> it here ?
[10:59] <marko_> it's a lot
[10:59] <gellioth> sorry..only
[10:59] <stdin> intelikey: that's what the message suggests
[11:00] <intelikey> not in here.   pasetbin marko_
[11:00] <marko_> pasetbin ?
[11:00] <marko_> what's that
[11:00] <intelikey> stdin hmm we'll try it.
[11:00] <trakinas> gellioth: no problem
[11:00] <intelikey> marko_ try stdin's sujestion first.
[11:00] <intelikey> marko_ sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[11:01] <stdin> intelikey: a "sudo lsof|grep config.dat" is another way to see if something has it too
[11:01] <marko_> Kill process 9127 ? (y/N)
[11:01] <marko_> yes ?
[11:01] <intelikey> y
[11:01] <marko_> did it
[11:01] <marko_> what now
[11:01] <intelikey> sudo aptitude install -f
[11:02] <intelikey> stdin you nailed,   good call
[11:02] <marko_> intelikey,
[11:02] <marko_> no errors this time
[11:02] <marko_> what now
[11:02] <intelikey> you're fixed
[11:02] <marko_> should i
[11:02] <marko_> install
[11:02] <marko_> perl
[11:02] <marko_> back ?
[11:02] <marko_> right ?
[11:02] <intelikey> why ?
[11:02] <intelikey> you have perl.
[11:02] <stdin> enter
[11:02] <marko_> no
[11:02] <stdin> is
[11:02] <stdin> not
[11:03] <stdin> punctuation
[11:03] <marko_> you don't understand dude
[11:03] <marko_> i used the command
[11:03] <marko_> sudo apt-get remove perl in shell
[11:03] <marko_> then i saw it's removing everything
[11:03] <marko_> then i closed the shell
[11:03] <marko_> and now there is everything different
[11:03] <intelikey> marko_ you don't understand dude you have perl.    ls /usr/bin/prel*
[11:03] <marko_> well any whay
[11:03] <marko_> why
[11:03] <marko_> is there no
[11:03] <marko_> konqueror ?
[11:04] <stdin> prel?
[11:04] <marko_> many programs got deleted
[11:04] <stdin> you mean perl
[11:04] <marko_> and i don't know why
[11:04] <intelikey> cause the part to perlmodules you removed took kde with it...
[11:04] <intelikey> yeah perl*
[11:04] <marko_> in the
[11:04] <marko_> K menu
[11:04] <marko_> you know left botom
[11:04] <marko_> ther ius no
[11:04] <marko_> Add/Remove
[11:04] <marko_> and stuff
[11:05] <intelikey> marko_ kde got deleted.    if you want it back install it.
[11:05] <stdin> marko_: just do "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-base ubuntu-standard kubuntu-desktop"
[11:05] <intelikey> or kde
[11:05] <marko_> ok
[11:05] <marko_> i did like
[11:05] <marko_> stdin,  sayd
[11:06] <intelikey> not all he  sayd
[11:06] <stdin> the first two are the most important anyway
[11:06] <marko_> btw i have
[11:06] <intelikey> !enter | marko_
[11:06] <ubotu> marko_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:06] <marko_> kubuntu
[11:06] <marko_> ok sorry sorry
[11:07] <intelikey> stdin not got a good "tinyURL" script have you ?
[11:07] <stdin> intelikey: not anymore, no
[11:07] <intelikey> k
[11:07] <mravilet> hi
[11:07] <mravilet> i have a cuestion
[11:07] <trakinas> gellioth: find on google how to add new links on desktop on kde
[11:08] <mravilet> any can help me?
[11:08] <intelikey> trakinas & gellioth that would be ahhh   right click the desktop and create.....
[11:09] <trakinas> mravilet: dont ask to ask
[11:09] <trakinas> intelikey: saw the link?
[11:09] <mravilet> trakinas I don't install kubuntu in my laptop
[11:09] <mravilet> is a HP pavilon 6220la
[11:10] <eXistenz> my ntfs partitions have vanished out of the blue =x
[11:10] <trakinas> you mean it failed to install??
[11:10] <marko_> intelikey,  and stdin  thanks you two saved my life
[11:10] <intelikey> hardly.
[11:10] <marko_> :P
[11:10] <mravilet> kubuntu support laptop HP pavilon 6220la?
[11:11] <sercik>  Hi i have a problem with X.. when i boot my system X gives an error and doesn't start.. th eerror is that nvidia kernel module and X modulre are not the same version.
[11:12] <snowdonkey> sercik: Have you tried isntalling your Nvidia drivers using Engy?
[11:12] <snowdonkey> Envy
[11:12] <mravilet> anybody knows if is a possible install kubuntu in HP laptops?
[11:13] <mravilet> in special the model Pavilon dv 6220la
[11:13] <sercik> envy
[11:13] <sercik> ?
[11:13] <sercik> no
[11:13] <intelikey> stdin you are correct.  that particular error message does sujest that it was the .dat file,  i've taught others to read the error messages and failed to do so.... "...they that can, do; and, they that can't..."   ;/
[11:13] <sercik> i have installe nvidia-glx and all works... then i have installed nvidia-glx-new to have a newer verion of driver and noww  i have problems
[11:14] <sercik> the strange is that if i do a rmmod nvidia and then startx X starts
[11:14] <snowdonkey> sercik: It's a package that can automatically install Nvidia or ATI drivers for you.  I've gotten the same message you have a few times, & installing w/ envy fixed it.  :-/
[11:14] <mravilet> sercik install the official driver for nvidia, you can found this driver in www.nividia.com
[11:14] <snowdonkey> sercik: I haven't tried the repos-drivers myself.  Couldn't get them to work.  http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[11:14] <sercik> ok but don't like automated tasks
[11:14] <crdlb> snowdonkey, please don't recommend envy
[11:15] <crdlb> sercik, that can be fixed
[11:15] <sercik> Hi crdlb! i'm sure sure that can be fied
[11:15] <crdlb> sercik, open your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[11:15] <sercik> i have done a rmmond nvidia and then startx and x starts without problem
[11:15] <brokenthorn> Just testing to see what Konversation looks like ;)
[11:15] <brokenthorn> Anybody care to share their opinion?
[11:15] <ace> can somebody assist please? am stuck with installing ndiswrapper-driver on a fresh 7.10
[11:16] <brokenthorn> I myself prefer command line irc clients
[11:16] <sercik> ok crdlb now?
[11:16] <crdlb> sercik, set DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia_legacy nvidia"
[11:16] <crdlb> that will force it to use nvidia_new
[11:17] <intelikey> brokenthorn last time i looked it was black on white </gags>
[11:17] <ace> ~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[11:17] <ace> alias wlan0 ndiswrapper
[11:17] <sercik> ok i have donw it
[11:17] <sercik> thank you crdlb
[11:17] <crdlb> sercik, now reboot and hopefully it'll work
[11:17] <sercik> the strange think is that i can't find a module called nvidia under /lib/modules
[11:18] <crdlb> yes it's copied over at boot
[11:18] <sercik> but if i do lsmod i can see nvidia
[11:18] <sercik> ah
[11:18] <sercik> incredible
[11:18] <crdlb> it's kind of a weird system
[11:18] <intelikey> sercik hardly.   it's in the initramfs.img-`uname -r`
[11:18] <sercik> but if i understand i have two copies of nvidia driver on my system the old and the new...
[11:19] <sercik> is not possible to delete the old version of nvidia kernel?
[11:19] <crdlb> sercik, the linux-restricted-modules package includes all three versoins of the nvidia module
[11:19] <brokenthorn> intelikey: heh
[11:19] <sercik> uau
[11:19] <crdlb> legacy glx and new
[11:19] <sercik> now i know another thing
[11:19] <sercik> i have told with many people that have had the same problem
[11:19] <brokenthorn> sercik: I don't have any problems gettng my nvidia to work, never had :D
[11:19] <sercik> now i know hos to gelp him
[11:20] <intelikey> sercik you'll "probably" have to rebuild the initramfs.img to stop the old module from loading       or a kernel command line option....
[11:20] <sercik> i have installed two version of X drivers
[11:20] <sercik> i need to restart to test is the method works.. see you soon
[11:20] <intelikey> brokenthorn i have problems getting nvidia driver to work on this box.   the card is not supported or something
[11:20] <sercik> goodbye! see you soon
[11:21] <crdlb> intelikey, is it an 8800 or something?
[11:21] <intelikey> no   riva128
[11:21] <brokenthorn> intelikey: what chipset is the card using, and what's the motheboard's chipset?
[11:21] <crdlb> intelikey, oh wow
[11:21] <crdlb> indeed it isn't
[11:21] <crdlb> the tnt was the first supported nvidia card
[11:21] <brokenthorn> intelikey: riva128 should be easy, though I don't have one
[11:21] <mravilet> anybody help me?
[11:21] <mravilet> please
[11:22] <mravilet> i need install kubuntu in my laptop
[11:22] <mravilet> HP pavilon dv 6220
[11:22] <mravilet> but not to work
[11:22] <intelikey> brokenthorn and apolo  on the mb
[11:22] <brokenthorn> intelikey: but I think there might be a problem iif you use the rivafb along with the X drivers
[11:22] <brokenthorn> intelikey: yeah, I sold my apolo long ago :P
[11:22] <intelikey> brokenthorn he  the fb will work the rest wont.  :)
[11:23] <trakinas> mravilet: what happens when you try to install?
[11:23] <intelikey> and yes i tried the other without the fb module loaded
[11:23] <brokenthorn> intelikey: just that, the X driver will not work if you use the fb driver. same goes with any ati
[11:23] <mravilet> finishied the proccess and start to boot
[11:23] <intelikey> as i said,  ^
[11:23] <mravilet> but, not display nothing
[11:24] <trakinas> mravilet: lspci
[11:24] <mravilet> uhmm si?
[11:24] <trakinas> mravilet: i mean, type lspci in the command line
[11:24] <trakinas> if it booted properly
[11:24] <mravilet> i dont, dont boot
[11:25] <mravilet> no booted properly
[11:25] <sercik> thank you crdlb it works
[11:25] <mravilet> ne becomes paralyzed in the beginning
[11:26] <mravilet> in the booted process
[11:26] <sercik> *** I want to thanks crdlb jucato Admiral_Chicago zipper (and sorry if i don't remember all names) that have changed my linux experience and have let me love linux ubuntu ***
[11:26] <trakinas> mravilet: no output error msg?
[11:26] <intelikey> brokenthorn so i asked for help one time and this fellow tried to get it going,,, came up with a page that explained that it wasn't supported...    that was the second 'go round' i had with trying to make propritary drivers work with this agp card...  it's a no show.
[11:27] <trakinas> can anyone help me to configure grub?
[11:27] <mravilet> trakinas not, why not diaplay nothing
[11:27] <sercik> trakinas: i can
[11:27] <sercik> tell me!
[11:27] <trakinas> sercik: http://pastebin.ca/567171 --> it does not show the last kernel on the list
[11:28] <sercik> trakinas: have you installed a new kernel version?
[11:29] <brokenthorn> intelikey: The riva needs proprietaru drivers?
[11:29] <sercik> in menu.lst appears 2.6.20-16 and 2.6.20-15 which is the problem?
[11:29] <mravilet> where see laptop support for linux?
[11:29] <mravilet> where can see this information?
[11:29] <mravilet> anybody knows?
[11:30] <intelikey> brokenthorn needs ?  no.   the console hardly ever needs vidio drivers  hehhe
[11:30] <trakinas> mravilet: i really cant help you right now! :/
[11:30] <trakinas> sercik: yep
[11:30] <trakinas> sercik: custom kernel. by hand
[11:30] <mravilet> trakinas the model is HP PAVILON DV 6220LA
[11:30] <sercik> which is the problem??
[11:30] <brokenthorn> intelikey: if you want the proprietary drivers, you need the legacy nvidia drivers
[11:30] <trakinas> mravilet: Im busy
[11:30] <mravilet> you know it?
[11:30] <mravilet> trakinas ?
[11:31] <brokenthorn> intelikey: if you want the free driver for X, use riva
[11:31] <intelikey> brokenthorn i just thought i'd see what i could get out of the card and see if i could learn a little about what people faced when trying to install Nvidia (R) drivers
[11:31] <brokenthorn> intelikey: It's been a breeze installing both Nvidia and Ati in my case
[11:31] <trakinas> i dunno
[11:31] <mravilet> trakinas o.k don't worry men
[11:31] <brokenthorn> intelikey: radeon 9200, and geforce4 mx440
[11:31] <intelikey> brokenthorn yeah like i said the driver installs fine,  just doesn't work.
[11:31] <sercik> trakinas: why do you ask for help?
[11:32] <sercik> i can't undersatand your problem
[11:32] <brokenthorn> intelikey: well, they always worked for me :P
[11:32] <intelikey> ;/
[11:32] <brokenthorn> intelikey: you're just like my friend :)
[11:32] <trakinas> sercik: ive added it to grub list
[11:32] <trakinas> but it is not being shown
[11:33] <mravilet> update-grub
[11:33] <sercik> do you mean is not shown at bootup?
[11:34] <trakinas> sercik: yes
[11:34] <sercik> i think that mravilet have told the silution
[11:34] <sercik> try to tun sudo update-grub
[11:34] <sercik> You have more than one distribution installed are you sure that you edited the correct manu.lst
[11:34] <sercik> ??
[11:35] <brokenthorn> intelikey: "At the time, ATI had their Rage series and nVidia had their Riva 128, but the Voodoo I blew them all away."
[11:35] <brokenthorn> intelikey: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Gamers-HOWTO/x608.html ;)
[11:35] <Contrast> Does anyone know if it's possible to get the status bar in Konqueror to not show up, especially in fullscreen mode?
[11:35] <sercik> because it is possible that grub is installed from sidux and that you have updated menu.lst in ubuntu
[11:35] <sercik> for example
[11:36] <sercik> trakinas ok now?
[11:36] <sercik> have you understood your problem?
[11:36] <sercik> my english is not good but intelikey have told my same thing in a better english
[11:36] <trakinas> sercik: one sec
[11:37] <mravilet> sercik you speake spanish?
[11:37] <sercik> no italian
[11:37] <mravilet> ahho.k
[11:37] <coreymon77> !es | mravilet
[11:37] <ubotu> mravilet: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:38] <sercik> i don't know why... but many people asks me if i speak spanish
[11:38] <sercik> my english seems a spanish that speaks in english?? :)
[11:38] <sercik> ubotu don't break my balls
[11:38] <trakinas> sercik: ive already
[11:38] <intelikey> brokenthorn and ?   </shrugs>
[11:39] <trakinas> sercik: it updates grub *removing* the added lines
[11:39] <trakinas> =P
[11:39] <ace> anybody fit with ndiswrapper?
[11:39] <brokenthorn> intelikey: It's just an interesting article. I thought you might like it.
[11:39] <sercik> do uoi mean that now menu.lst contains only 2.6.20-15?
[11:40] <intelikey> sercik yes it does seem "latino" in origen
[11:41] <sercik> intelikey: i think that construct italian and spahish are similar
[11:41] <trakinas> i have to go to college now. thanks anyway
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> sercik: yes, they are. almost identical really
[11:41] <trakinas> cheers all
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> see ya
[11:41] <sercik> trakinas: are you sure that the name of initrd or vmlinuz is correct in the lines you add?
[11:41] <intelikey> trakinas use ubuntu.pastebin.us and post the output of   cat /boot/grub/menu.lst ;ls /boot
[11:42] <intelikey> sercik indeed...
[11:42] <sercik> sorry trakinas: do you like sidus?
[11:43] <sercik> Sidux
[11:43] <intelikey> -:- SignOff trakinas: #kubuntu ("Konversation terminated!"
[11:45] <intelikey> hmmm i did startkde and my kde is blank...
[11:46] <intelikey> well, not blank,  it has a blue background...
[11:46] <intelikey> and a mouse cursor,   but; other than that, it's blank.
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> alt+f2 do anything?
[11:47] <intelikey> not a thing
[11:48] <xerosis_> intelikey: full disk?
[11:48] <intelikey> 64%
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: interesting
[11:48] <intelikey> indeed
[11:49] <intelikey> maybe running it inside twm is not so good ???
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> can't you start kdm?
[11:50] <intelikey> kdm is eval
[11:50] <intelikey> and i could but i wont
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> ho about startkde from the command lin?
[11:51] <intelikey> i did,   but in twm in an xterm  that might have tainted it i guess
[11:52] <intelikey> startkde does not "startx"
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> maybe...try doing it from a bare CLI.
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> then do startx!
[11:52] <intelikey> you have to do something like     X & sleep 7 ;startkde
[11:53] <intelikey> nosrednaekim heheh that's how i got to twm   "startx"  heh
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: no you don't....
[11:53] <nosrednaekim> you can set the default WM.
[11:53] <intelikey> yeah you can.
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> then set it to be kde
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> and then do startx
[11:54] <intelikey> what's the name ?     kwin ?
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I think so
[12:01] <intelikey> oh will it matter that     until never ;do rm -r /root ;done    is running in another shell ?
[12:04] <intelikey> i guess it does,  it's still blank,   the only differance is that it died.
[12:05] <michael__> um
[12:05] <michael__> is it normal for xorg to take 500mb ram
[12:06] <intelikey> it's normal for it to allocate about 70% of the free ram  and use about 1m
[12:06] <intelikey> !ram
[12:06] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[12:06] <michael__> is this bad?
[12:06] <intelikey> no
[12:07] <michael__> seems like it might be pushing things to use swap, since i only have 500mb physical ram
[12:07] <intelikey> michael__ free
[12:07] <michael__> that a command?
[12:07] <intelikey> yes
[12:07] <michael__> says is have 6766 free
[12:08] <intelikey> no
[12:08] <michael__> ?
[12:08] <intelikey> see the second line   the +/- buffer
[12:08] <michael__> yerh
[12:08] <intelikey> that's the actual used/free
[12:08] <michael__> free 109,000
[12:08] <intelikey> k
[12:09] <michael__> i havent played classical in along time
[12:09] <michael__> frick
[12:09] <michael__> wrong channel
[12:09] <michael__> :P
[12:10] <intelikey> michael__ also the swap is listed
[12:10] <michael__> yeh
[12:10] <intelikey> i don't use swap but it's still listed
[12:10] <intelikey> Swap: 0 0 0
[12:12] <intelikey> hehhe    free -g      :)
[12:12] <intelikey> now that's rounded  :)
[12:13] <intelikey> -g gig -m meg -b bytes  and defaults to -k kilobytes


[21:45] <jyo> Anyone have any domain registrar recommendations? Besides gandi and GKG.
[21:47] <greg-g> gandi :)
[21:47] <DonkeyHotei> nehru :P
[22:11] <bkerensa> jyo: namecheap
[22:11] <bkerensa> I have had hundreds of domains with them just in the last two years
[23:25] <erichammond> namecheap


[15:35] <walex_> looks like the ubuntu app store works again
[15:39] <CoderEurope> walex_:  Does it ?
[15:40] <walex_> well i just managed to install some apps inluding this one "chatter" right now
[15:41] <walex_> yesterday the app catalogue worked but not the app downloads
[15:48] <walex2> so i am sad that ubuntu.phone is eol, but ill continue to use it. just downloading apps on my m10, spare e4.5 and main e4.5
[15:49] <walex2> i know someone who is still using a palm pilot...
[15:52] <CoderEurope> we need a guide for this in the Ubuntu wiki - http://blog.bhdouglass.com/openstore/web/2017/05/02/the-openstore-upgrade.html
[15:54] <CoderEurope> Porting-able ? https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/5/5/15558122/amazon-echo-touchscreen-image-leak
[15:56] <walex2> very good news about openstore
[15:57] <CoderEurope> walex2: How do you make the switch thou ?
[15:57] <walex2> hope they have a donation page i like to fund things id like to continue to exist
[15:58] <walex2> ro make rhe switch i guess one uses uApp or loads a suitably crafted update
[15:59] <CoderEurope> walex2: Look under 'Donate' at the top: https://uappexplorer.com/faq
[15:59] <walex2> or maybe just open terminal and edit a config file with an url
[15:59] <CoderEurope> but I would use Bountysource.
[15:59] <CoderEurope> hangon.
[16:02] <CoderEurope> walex2:  https://www.bountysource.com/teams/ubuntuopenappstore/issues?tracker_ids=15833459
[16:03] <CoderEurope> about $100 for each should do it :D
[16:51] <CoderEurope> popey, Is the bhdouglass OpenStore going to integrate seemlessly - or do I need to opt-it-in ?
[17:11] <popey> CoderEurope: no idea, sorry.
[17:17] <CoderEurope> okay np


[01:36] <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping
[02:39] <holstein> rostam: what you are trying to do is something i personally havent done, but if you need more space, i would try and claim that space
[02:39] <holstein> should be able to mount a new partition on a hard drive to whatever directory you need
[02:40] <r4y> Unhandled error in Deferred:Traceback (most recent call last):Failure: twisted.internet.error.DNSLookupError: DNS lookup failed: address 'deluge-torrent.org' not found: [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname.
[02:41] <holstein> r4y: what are you trying to do?
[02:41] <r4y> deluge doesn't upload and alsomakes Firefox not work or not work well, either that or something else os the problem
[02:43] <r4y> I didn't look in the xsession-errors file when I was talking to geirha
[02:43] <holstein> r4y: i use transmission.. i would try and isolate what is going on
[02:43] <holstein> if you think deluge is causing an issue with ff, close deluge and test
[02:44] <holstein> when i ping deluge-torrent.org the results are not great
[02:45] <holstein> what would i do? test from a live CD to rule out the OS. test with a different user to rule out my config. test with different dns servers
[02:45] <r4y> OK, try transmission then
[02:48] <r4y> DeprecationWarning) /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/deluge/core/core.py:508: DeprecationWarning: Use get_session_status().   warnings.warn("Use get_session_status().",
[02:49] <r4y> I tried sudo apt-get build-dep for all the dependencies I have installed for all I have installed related to Deluge
[02:50] <r4y> unless I am missing a packge and their were other pakages Deluge related I don't have installed
[02:52] <holstein> !info deluge
[02:52] <holstein> r4y: i would just use the one in the repos
[02:53] <r4y> I am using 10.04 lucid lynx
[02:54] <holstein> i would upgrade to 12.04
[02:54] <holstein> you can always just try a 12.04 live CD, and see what works more easily
[02:55] <r4y> You know how I feel about, sorry no
[02:56] <holstein> actually, i dont
[02:56] <holstein> desktop support is about over
[03:00] <holstein> r4y: its just a live CD.. try the 12.04 xubuntu live CD, and see how similar it is to stock 10.04, and how much easier it is to get things working
[03:00] <r4y> That's true
[03:01] <holstein> you just going to use 10.04 for a few more weeks and move to some other distro?
[03:01] <r4y> Sorry, I just Ubuntu 12.04 the way it is mades me sort of sick to stomach
[03:02] <r4y> I really really like Ubuntu 10.04 with a passion, I don't see how I can move on
[03:02] <r4y> I don't see how others can move on so easy
[03:02] <holstein> r4y: you will when the support is up, in a few weeks
[03:02] <r4y> it was perfect imo
[03:02] <holstein> r4y: xubuntu is xfce
[03:02] <holstein> xfce is a lot like the old gnome2
[03:02] <r4y> I tried them
[03:02] <holstein> r4y: enjoy the next few weeks then
[03:03] <r4y> I didn't give them enough I guess though
[03:04] <r4y> I don't see how meaning even if I new how to file bug reports I wouldn't know what to file but at least there are options
[03:04] <r4y> in the given as well
[03:04] <r4y> More like hell inmy eyes
[03:04] <r4y> lol o well
[03:04] <holstein> well, "i dont like it" isnt a bug
[03:05] <r4y> no I am talking about the different problem I have been having
[03:06] <holstein> r4y: you are installing applications not made for 10.04 in 10.04, which is near EOL
[03:06] <r4y> lubuntufor instance has the gecko plugin working
[03:06] <r4y> how can that be ported over to ubuntu 10.04?
[03:06] <holstein> r4y: you can port what you like where you like.. its all open
[03:07] <r4y> and fixing deluge, but at least there is other options for torrenting clients
[03:07] <holstein> there is likely nothing wrong with deglue
[03:07] <r4y> I asked here many times but no one was here about how to get that gecko plugin to work for Firefox
[03:07] <holstein> deluge
[03:08] <holstein> r4y: for firefox in 10.04
[03:08] <holstein> thats what you are asking
[03:08] <r4y> Right I didn't say yet that geirha said it could be my router for instance
[03:08] <holstein> i would just use a PPA, if there is one, to add the current ff to 10.04
[03:08] <r4y> yes gecko in Firefox 20
[03:08] <r4y> actually for lubuntu firefox is version 11
[03:08] <r4y> on 12.04 of lubuntu
[03:09] <r4y> Hm, OK
[03:09] <r4y> ppa, I guessI didn't think of that
[03:09] <r4y> what is current?
[03:10] <holstein> r4y: i dont use ff
[03:10] <holstein> i would get a lubuntu or xubuntu live CD, and fire it up
[03:10] <holstein> sudo apt-get install deluge... use the current ff
[03:10] <holstein> get used to xfce or lxce
[03:10] <holstein> lxde*
[03:11] <holstein> i have ff 19.0.2 in 12.04
[03:11] <holstein> r4y: gnome2 is gone.. and ubuntu didnt do anything
[03:11] <holstein> r4y: ubuntu is providing the most current version of gnome in the repos just like it always has
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> holstein, FF 20 is in the repos now. ;)
[03:12] <holstein> wilee-nilee: i dont use ff
[03:12] <wilee-nilee> holstein, Ah,.
[03:12] <holstein> i have to say, i *loved* ubuntu 10.04.. i could set it up quickly.. and i liked the 3d stuff
[03:13] <holstein> i dont miss it for myself anymore though
[03:13] <r4y> I didn't use compiz fusion
[03:13] <holstein> but, when i set up boxes for others, thats when i miss it..
[03:13] <r4y> my brother set it up and was a resource hog
[03:13] <holstein> r4y: i cant imagine what about gnome2 i couldnt replace with xfce
[03:13] <holstein> r4y: if i didnt use compiz
[03:14] <holstein> r4y: some say, gnome2 is a resource hog compared to xfce
[03:14] <holstein> r4y: i feel like you are on a boat that is going down, and im trying to convince you.. and you arent listening
[03:15] <holstein> ..here are the facts
[03:15] <holstein> that desktop *is* EOL in a few weeks
[03:15] <holstein> xfce *is* very similar to gnome2 in look/feel/functionality ...only a bit lighter
[03:15] <holstein> there is a new version of ubnuntu freely available for you to try out via live CD
[03:16] <holstein> other than that, you are on your own
[03:16] <holstein> in a few weeks, you wont even be able to ask questions about 10.04 desktop in support channels. it will be OT
[03:16] <r4y> I am trying but it means change, I just don't know where to go and how which is also about opinion I don't just know about intil I know and I don't know so it's not your fault
[03:17] <holstein> r4y: it cant be my fault.. its also not *anyones* fault
[03:17] <holstein> its an upgrade, and you dont like it.. and thats fine
[03:17] <r4y> I know
[03:17] <holstein> but its happening.. gnome2 is EOL..
[03:17] <holstein> ubuntu didnt do it... canonnical didnt do it.. its just EOL.. from gnome
[03:17] <holstein> plus, i dont consider it much of a change from gnome2 to xfce
[03:18] <holstein> what are you missing? nautilus? run nautilus.. i do
[03:18] <holstein> i use nautilus in openbox cause i like the functionality
[03:32] <r4y> I bookmarked openbox,I'venever tried it. I am really sorry about all this. Things will be fine, I will have to find a direction, I need to go
[10:10] <flyinprogramer> soo i'm dual booting my desktop; how do I disable ubuntu from mounting my windows partitions; i was hoping it would mean commenting out a couple lines in my FSTAB; but it appears with 12.10 something else is in charge; because only my root partition is listed there :|
[12:57] <r4y> Are evilduanedesign and duanedesign the same person?
[15:38] <r4y> holstein apparently my router doesn't support upnp
[15:38] <r4y> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r26463769-General-Motorola-NVG510-Support-UPnP-
[15:39] <r4y> now deluge doesn't say no incomming connections
[15:40] <r4y> Also I gathered some links related to what I wasn't saying when you asked. I just didn't want to have to explain myself again, but I understand how that can be a bad thing so anyways, sorry for this but
[15:41] <r4y> irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/27/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:41] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/27/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:41] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/28/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:41] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/30/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:41] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/16/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:42] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/29/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:42] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/28/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:42] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/02/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:42] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/01/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:42] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/12/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[15:43] <r4y> OK, sorry but it took me a long time to gather those links
[15:43] <r4y> Take care peace out and sorry, bye
[15:51] <r4y> Also this: http://imagebin.org/253112
[15:51] <r4y> And as shown before in one of the logs: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linuxquestions-org-member-success-stories-23/getting-flash-plug-in-to-work-with-older-cpus-4175420481/
[15:55] <r4y> What I last typed was for duan not holstein
[16:19] <andre> anyone here to help me please?
[16:24] <wilee-nilee> andre, Statew your problem for help. ;)
[16:24] <wilee-nilee> state*
[16:27] <andre> ok wilee
[16:27] <andre> i have ubuntu 12.10  and my graphical card is Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset x86/MMX/SSE2
[16:28] <andre> but the colors  appears that way http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/capturadeecrade20130407.png/
[16:29] <andre> i find a webpage with drivers maybe for my videocard  https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/2013q1-intel-graphics-stack-release
[16:29] <andre> but i dont know how to install
[16:30] <andre> maybe you is my help
[16:30] <andre> :)


[10:38] <Domi> Hello, I search a programming language which runs on Ubuntu core, Raspbian and Windows IoT. Java is not possible because there is no JVM for Windows Iot but does C#(mono) work on Ubnutu Core?
[10:39] <oparoz> NodeJS? Python? PHP?
[10:40] <oparoz> Ah, no you mean core without any other snaps available...
[10:40] <Domi> Is ist possible to use the gpio with NodeJS or PHP? No I mean with snaps
[10:42] <oparoz> It's possible to make the calls, but I don't know if Snappy will block access to the hardware or not
[10:43] <oparoz> Note, I'm just an enthusiast
[10:43] <oparoz> Should be really quick to find out
[10:59] <Domi> I did not find a tutorial on how to use the gpio pins of the rasberry pi with ubuntu snappy
[11:02] <ogra_> for 15.04 images there is the piglow package in the store, you could take a look at that one
[11:03] <ogra_> 16.04 (even though it wil completely replace 15.04 soon) is still re-defining the security bits ... the first chunk landed on friday but there is still some fine tuning needed ... ou will definitely be able to fully use your gpios :)
[11:04] <ogra_> as for languages ... snap package require you to bundle your language bindings, whi9ch means you can use anything you want as long as you have/find working binaries
[11:05] <ogra_> there is no limit in languages, C# will definitely work if you bundle the right bits
[11:06] <ogra_> (there is no default plugin for snapcraft though ... will be a bit more fiddly than packaging a java or nodejs app)
[11:17] <Domi> ok what language would you recomment for easy use?
[11:21] <ogra_> the one you are most familiar with :) and the snapcraft autotools or make plugins
[11:21] <ogra_> thats surely the easiest ... or ... the copy plugin which only copies binaries in place ... and you produce the binaries as you like
[11:22] <ogra_> there are plenty of ways ;) pick your own poison
[11:23] <ogra_> there are some examples and a hacking guide at https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft
[11:30] <Domi> is there any example how to use the gpio pins of the rasbperry pi?
[11:35] <ogra_> http://blog.mattyw.net/blog/2015/10/09/simple-piglow-snap-for-raspberry-pi-2/
[11:35] <ogra_> but as I said, this is for 15.04 snappy... which will be EOL soon
[11:37] <ogra_> 16.04 does use snapcraft to biuld the snaps
[11:43] <Domi> ok thank you
[11:46] <Domi> is there a list which snaps i can use with snappy install
[12:23] <netphreak> Hi, guys!
[13:14] <popey> enabled snappy classic mode on my pi 3, and now get this when i sudo in classic... "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified"
[13:15] <popey> I even tried destroying my classic dimension and recreating it
[13:15] <popey> same
[13:18] <ogra_> yeah, known bug ....
[13:18] <ogra_> (there was a workaround ... )
[13:21] <ogra_> bug 1564369
[13:21] <oparoz> Type it from the non-classic shell
[13:53] <Domi> is there a tutorial on how to pack python code into a snap?
[14:23] <ogra_> Domi: yes, see the python examplers in the snapcraft source
[14:48] <popey> thanks ogra_
[14:59] <popey> ogra_: that workaround worked.. around. :)
[15:07] <ogra_> :)
[15:46] <baum_> Will there be openstack on ubuntu core arm?
[15:47] <ogra_> if someone packages it
[15:48] <baum_> And how do I use dnsmasq-arm on there
[15:50] <ogra_> no idea what dnsmasq-arm is ...
[15:50] <netphreak> Is it possible to set target architecture on the snappy maven plugin?
[15:50]  * ogra_ only knows dnsmasq ... and i guess you would have to bundle it in your owncloud snap  together with all other services
[15:54] <baum_> I is availabe on the snappy store by it self
[15:54] <baum_> It should be used as a dns-server
[15:57] <baum_> In didn't find really find any docs on the /apps/dnsmasq-arm.howy directory
[17:14] <netphreak> Does snappy maven plugin support armhf architecture?