[12:27] <defendguinJR> ok i stopped lircd and ran cat and nothing is doing
[12:27] <superm1> well press butotns
[12:27] <superm1> on the remote
[12:27] <superm1> and see if its detecting anything
[12:27] <superm1> on the console
[12:27] <williammanda_> hey guys!
[12:27] <defendguinJR> nothing
[12:27] <superm1> hi williammanda_
[12:28] <williammanda_> i loaded all my computers with feisty....
[12:28] <williammanda_> everything went great....
[12:28] <superm1> defendguinJR, u sure the card's receiver is good ?
[12:28] <superm1> williammanda_, :)
[12:29] <williammanda_> but I can't get phpadmin to work
[12:29] <defendguinJR> superm1: i can be sure of anything
[12:29] <defendguinJR> it was brand new when i got it
[12:29] <superm1> can't? or can
[12:29] <defendguinJR> i can't be sure of anything
[12:29] <williammanda_> i use to login with root and no pasword
[12:29] <williammanda_> but that doesn't work now
[12:30] <superm1> do u have a root mysql password now?
[12:30] <williammanda_> no...didn't change it the root password
[12:30] <superm1> well try loggin in from cmd nline
[12:31] <superm1> and see how that goes
[12:31] <williammanda_> not sure how to do that
[12:31] <williammanda_> that is the reason for using php
[12:31] <williammanda_> i didn't know command line for mysql
[12:31] <superm1> i think just
[12:31] <superm1> mysql -uroot -p
[12:31] <superm1> would login
[12:33] <williammanda_> should I unistall php and re-install/
[12:33] <williammanda_> ?
[12:33] <superm1> that shoudnt make a dfifference
[12:34] <defendguinJR> i don't know any way to test to see if the IR receiver is any good
[12:34] <defendguinJR> would they sell one at radio shack that i could plugin to my pvr150?
[12:37] <superm1> dont think so
[12:37] <defendguinJR> and i can't test it with a different remote to see if it is the remote that is bad
[12:38] <superm1> u can get a digi camera
[12:38] <superm1> and see if ir comes out of hte remote
[12:38] <defendguinJR> hmmm
[12:38] <defendguinJR> ok
[12:39] <defendguinJR> yup that works ")
[12:39] <defendguinJR> :)
[12:42] <defendguinJR> hahaha
[12:43] <defendguinJR> i un-plugged and replugged the ir sensor and now it reads stuff
[12:43] <superm1> lol
[12:43] <superm1> there you go
[12:43] <defendguinJR> now all i should have to do is start lircd and see if it works in irw
[12:44] <defendguinJR> awesome that works
[12:46] <defendguin> this is gonna be great if it works now :-D
[12:46] <defendguin> i've had this thing for months without it working
[12:47] <defendguin> i wonder if un plugging the usb keyboard had anything to do with it
[12:48] <rogue780_> howdiddly do
[12:49] <rogue780_> superm1, did the artwork get approved?
[12:49] <superm1> no, still need one more motu to ack it
[12:57] <cabajgtr> does anyone know how to keep my svideo from going to black after non-use?  I'm runnning a dedicated front-end on feisty w/o gnome
[01:00] <rogue780_> umm
[01:00] <rogue780_> yes maybe
[01:00] <rogue780_> hold on
[01:01] <cabajgtr> thanks
[01:04] <rogue780_> cabajgtr,
[01:04] <rogue780_> May 03 10:57:49 <tgm4883_>      http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html
[01:04] <rogue780_> May 03 10:57:57 <tgm4883_>      scroll to
[01:04] <rogue780_> May 03 10:58:01 <tgm4883_>      Screen goes blank but returns when mouse is moved or keyboard is used
[01:05] <williammanda_> when I open vlc to play video...a window opens...not the full screen...
[01:05] <williammanda_> how can i get rid of the window?
[01:05] <cabajgtr> excellent, thanks rogue
[01:05] <rogue780_> cabajgtr, no problem
[01:06] <cabajgtr> william, did you use the suggested command line from the howto?
[01:06] <williammanda_> ?
[01:07] <williammanda_> what command?
[01:07] <cabajgtr> what is your command for vlc?
[01:07] <williammanda_> what how to?
[01:07] <williammanda_> vlc is run from the gui
[01:07] <rogue780_> williammanda_, are you just running vlc not through mythtv?
[01:07] <williammanda_> yes..not mythtv
[01:08] <rogue780_> press f
[01:08] <cabajgtr> oh, sorry, i assumed
[01:08] <rogue780_> or F-11 one of those should put you in fullscreen
[01:09] <williammanda_> well i can i get the window to just not to appear?
[01:09] <williammanda_> it would be nice not to correct it each time
[01:10] <williammanda_> i want to use the remote
[01:10] <rogue780_> I dunno. you should be able to add a command line option to vlc when it starts
[01:10] <rogue780_> I don't have VLC installed so I can't test it
[01:10] <rogue780_> run vlc --help
[01:11] <williammanda_> i have mythtv setup to run in a window too
[01:11] <williammanda_> i didn't have situation with kde
[01:11] <williammanda_> it was full screen when maximized
[01:13] <rogue780_> I dunno. I haven't used KDE since the 90's
[08:19] <superm1> Daviey, got isthmus blue straightened out
[08:20] <Daviey> you have, or your asking me?
[08:21] <superm1> i did
[08:21] <superm1> i got ahold of the chap
[08:21] <superm1> and he left a note on his site now
[08:21] <superm1> just need mepo straightened out yet
[08:21] <Daviey> i emailed the mepo guy
[08:22] <superm1> ah k good
[08:22] <Daviey> 'Glenn' is his name
[08:23] <superm1> he works with media portal right?
[08:23] <Daviey> yeah
[08:23] <Daviey> i created the character for them
[08:23] <Daviey> i = he
[08:23] <superm1> i'm wondering if it might just be GPL artwork then
[08:23] <superm1> because media portal is gpl it self
[08:24] <Daviey> GPL would be easyier
[08:24] <Daviey> then don't need to worry about dual licencing with CC
[08:24] <Daviey> but i asked him to consider a 'free licence' - so it's upto him
[08:25] <superm1> well  the other themes that are being included
[08:25] <superm1> are either GPL, GPLv2 or LGPL
[08:25] <superm1> so far
[08:25] <Daviey> haha
[08:25] <Daviey> nice 'n easy
[08:25] <superm1> so I have a short section describing each in debian/copyright
[08:25] <Daviey> :)
[08:27] <superm1> thus far: http://pastebin.ca/474247
[08:28] <Daviey> looks good
[08:31] <rogue780|mythser> howdy all
[10:07] <defendguin_> i'm having a problem with using mythtv on ubuntu feisty i can't run mythtv setup again because every time mythtv logs in it is starting mythtv frontend and when i close the front end it just logs out of X completely
[11:03] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, u there?
[11:04] <superm1> or Daviey u too?
[11:13] <Daviey> wassup?
[11:14] <defendguin_> hey superm1
[11:15] <superm1> Daviey, you licensed the artwork under creative commons before.
[11:15] <superm1> was there a reason u did that and not GPL/
[11:15] <superm1> hey defendguin_
[11:15] <Daviey> keescook said it should probably be - that's all
[11:16] <superm1> ah okay
[11:16] <superm1> well if its okay with rogue780|mythsvr it'd be a lot easier to make it GPL
[11:17] <superm1> i just had minghua look it over
[11:17] <superm1> and the mix of licensing they might not be compatible together
[11:17] <defendguin_> i think i have everything just about perfect with my mythtv setup  only a few things i want to change on my remote.  the volume keys on the remote don't do anything useful for me and i would like them to adjust the volume just like pressing the volume up or down key on the keyboard would do
[11:18] <tgm4883_laptop> what remote
[11:18] <defendguin_> hauppague pvr150
[11:19] <tgm4883_laptop> the new one or old one?
[11:19] <defendguin_> the lircrc file on the mythtv wiki is not quite ideal
[11:19] <defendguin_> i'm using the i2c driver if that makes any difference
[11:20] <tgm4883_laptop> im guessing you have the new remote
[11:20] <defendguin_> can't tell you if it considered new or old
[11:20] <tgm4883_laptop> are the colored button in a line or square?
[11:20] <defendguin_> line
[11:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[11:20] <tgm4883_laptop> thats the new one
[11:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i forget which file you have to change it in, but its either vol+ to volumeup or the other way around.  It should be in the lirc wiki
[11:21] <defendguin_> the lircrc file on the wiki had the Menu button = Menu when it should have been Menu/i
[11:21] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 may know more
[11:22] <defendguin_> let me check
[11:23] <superm1> afaik, the state of the pvr150/250/350 lircrc and lircd.conf is kinda messy
[11:23] <superm1> that some stuff doesn't match up verbosely
[11:23] <superm1> but no one has really gone through to update them all
[11:24] <defendguin_> i was reading about the plans for this to work out of the box for feisty +1 for the media center edition of ubuntu
[11:24] <superm1> well for all ubuntu editions
[11:24] <tgm4883_laptop> i never really liked my pvr150 remote setup (it was the default) some buttons were assigned the same key and some key assignments didn't make sense
[11:25] <superm1> there was a patch that was ready for feisty but that didnt make it in last minute - but there is a whole other team working on that now
[11:25] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, defendguin_ indeed i'm much more partial to the mceusb/mceusb2 remotes
[11:25] <superm1> personally
[11:25] <tgm4883_laptop> oh yea, mine rocks
[11:26] <tgm4883_laptop> good recommendation
[11:26] <defendguin_> superm1: well this one works fine
[11:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i ended up having to take my pvr150 out :( no room
[11:26] <defendguin_> on occasion it doesn't pick up a button press
[11:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i do find my mceusb2 much more responsive
[11:27] <defendguin_> the pvr150 doesnt work well if i want to have a slim box
[11:27] <defendguin_> its pretty wide
[11:27] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[11:28] <tgm4883_laptop> i only have 2 pci slots on my motherboard
[11:28] <tgm4883_laptop> when i upgraded to firewire i had to take the card out
[11:28] <defendguin_> superm1: well if i want to set that volume up button on the remote to move the actually move the volume what do i need to do?
[11:29] <defendguin_> the lircrc file is pretty simple i just dont know what to set button = to
[11:29] <defendguin_> sorry
[11:29] <superm1> well make sure that the setting in the lircd.conf and lircrc both match up
[11:29] <defendguin_> i can figure that out
[11:29] <defendguin_> using irw i can tell when it see the button press to me
[11:29] <defendguin_> ug
[11:30] <defendguin_> i can tell what it thinks the button press is
[11:30] <superm1> then in your ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[11:30] <tgm4883_laptop> i think the default one doesn't work because it was originally setup for the old remote, and they made a few changes
[11:30] <superm1> you want to set up this sectoin
[11:30] <superm1> #begin
[11:30] <superm1> #    prog = mythtv
[11:30] <superm1> #    button = vol+
[11:30] <superm1> #    repeat = 3
[11:30] <superm1> #    config = ]
[11:30] <superm1> #end
[11:31] <defendguin_> ] ?
[11:32] <superm1> that key does vol+ in myth :)_
[11:32] <defendguin_> ok dokie
[11:37] <defendguin_> whats the key to go back to the previous channel?
[11:38] <superm1> hm u
[11:38] <superm1> not sure
[11:39] <superm1> if you install mythcontrols you can find out pretty easily
[11:40] <tgm4883_laptop> mythcontrols rocks
[11:41] <defendguin_> H 	Channel history. Each repeat steps back through the previous channels.
[11:45] <Daviey> superm1, ping
[11:47] <superm1> hey
[11:47] <superm1> Daviey,
[11:47] <Daviey> i asked Seveas about the theme.c file -> he didn't care about the copyright
[11:48] <defendguin_> hmmm  this hauppage lircrc really needs to be updated on the wiki
[11:48] <superm1> well it still needs to be quoted as to where its based from
[11:48] <Daviey> so presumably his copyright can just be changed to ours
[11:48] <superm1> really?
[11:48] <Daviey> he said that he really doesn't care
[11:48] <Daviey> but motu might?
[11:49] <superm1> yes
[11:49] <superm1> motu has pretty script rules aobut this kind of stuff
[11:49] <superm1> or strict even
[11:49] <Daviey> sounds fair 'nuff
[11:50] <defendguin_> kind of off topic but i was trying to connect to the mythtv box using ssh and i get this error
[11:50] <superm1> defendguin_, fix up the lircrc and we can update the wiki :)
[11:51] <defendguin_> RSA host key for <IP_ADDRESS> has changed and you have requested strict checking.
[11:51] <defendguin_> Host key verification failed.
[11:51] <defendguin_> superm1: i can email you the one i just finished working on
[11:51] <tgm4883_laptop> did you reinstall the OS on your mythtv box
[11:51] <superm1> k cool
[11:51] <defendguin_> yeah
[11:51] <defendguin_> i did
[11:52] <tgm4883_laptop> that would do it
[11:52] <Daviey> defendguin_, quick fix        echo "" > ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:52] <defendguin_> i guess i could delete .ssh
[11:53] <defendguin_> greta
[11:53] <defendguin_> great
[11:53] <defendguin_> superm1: would you like the updated lircrc?
[11:55] <defendguin_> it would fix a few things for users out of the box
[11:56] <superm1> yes
[11:56] <superm1> indeed
[11:56] <superm1><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:58] <defendguin_> http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt   the one this guy posted is stupid which is the one we are linking to   notice for channel up and down look at the different button presses for the different programs  in mythtv it is looking for channel-up and channel-down  but in myplayer and xine it is looking for the correct ch+ and ch-
[11:58] <defendguin_> same thing for volume
[11:59] <defendguin_> also its supposed to be prev.ch  not previous-channel and he has that set to W which it says here W 	cycle through 4:3 aspect ratio, 16:9, 4:3 Zoom (like Pan and Scan), 16:9 Zoom, and 16:9 Stretch (eliminates black sidebars in TV signal)
[12:00] <defendguin_> go figure
[12:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> superm1, I'm here
[12:02] <superm1> hey rogue780|mythsvr.  i was wondering if its okay to make your artwork GPL?
[12:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> superm1, Daviey I have no preference how you license the artwork
[12:02] <superm1> okay for simplicities sake, i'll make it all GPL then
[12:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> sweet
[12:03] <defendguin_> superm1: sent
[12:03] <superm1> thanks defendguin_
[12:03] <superm1> i'll take a look in a few min
[12:04] <defendguin_> i added one key that is not mentioned in the original  the asterisk  i'm using it as the x key for when you are in the program guide and you want to switch to that channel and not leave the guide
[12:06] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsvr, what do you think - http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7295/usplasheditel3.jpg
[12:06] <defendguin_> hmmm mythbuntu
[12:07] <defendguin_> that would have saved some time
[12:09] <rogue780|mythsvr> Daviey, I like it. it goes more with the logo on mythbuntu.whateveritis
[12:10] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsvr, i did the 'whateveritis' first ;)
[12:10] <defendguin_> is it possible to power off the TV from mythtv?
[12:10] <Daviey> defendguin_, yes
[12:11] <Daviey> defendguin_, does your tv have a serial port :)
[12:11] <defendguin_> lol
[12:11] <Daviey> you laugh.. but superm1's and mine does
[12:12] <defendguin_> i have an s-video connection between my box and tv
[12:12] <superm1> well in a sense mine does.  its not a standard db9 on mine
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i have a service port on mine
[12:13] <tgm4883_laptop> dont know if its the same thing
[12:13] <defendguin_> is this a HDTV?
[12:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[12:14] <defendguin_> mine is a normal tv
[12:15] <defendguin_> the cable box doen't use a serial port to connect to the tv but they can still turn them off
[12:15] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to setup an ir transmitter
[12:15] <defendguin_> ahhhh
[12:15] <defendguin_> i have one
[12:16] <Daviey> defendguin_, you *can* turn many tv's on/off using a scart cable & serial port
[12:16] <rogue780|mythsvr> Daviey, can you make the mythbuntu text with the same effect as the circle?
[12:16] <Daviey> i don't follow
[12:16] <Daviey> it is the same font
[12:16] <Daviey> offical ubuntu font
[12:17] <rogue780|mythsvr> Daviey, you know how the circle is more shiny?
[12:17] <Daviey> ahh
[12:17] <rogue780|mythsvr> little more glass looking
[12:17] <Daviey> i didn't draw the circle
[12:17] <rogue780|mythsvr> oh
[12:17] <defendguin_> its missing bling
[12:17] <Daviey> i just changed the official logo to be blue only
[12:17] <rogue780|mythsvr> do you have the xcf file of what you got there?
[12:18] <Daviey> yep
[12:18] <rogue780|mythsvr> can you send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:18] <rogue780|mythsvr> I've gotta get a better e-mail address
[12:19] <Daviey> ygm
[12:19] <rogue780|mythsvr> rg
[12:20] <Daviey> i also changed the mythtv logo
[12:20] <Daviey> (from your orig. one)
[12:26] <defendguin_> what does repeat 3 mean in the lircrc?   does that mean you have to hold it down long enough for it to register 3 times before the action is taken?


[21:41] <Shiggs|MB> hello
[21:41] <Shiggs|MB> anyone here run their frontend on OS X and notice some playback slowdown when connecting to a normal Linux backend?
[22:05] <Bonj> Howdy Ya'lls... from the docs, it appears that mythfrontend is supposed to send hints to xscreensaver to prevent it from blanking the screen during video playback... that is not working for me. Can someone give me some hints as to where I'm supposed to look for a solution? I am running Mythbuntu 12.04 with 0.26-fixes.


[00:14] <jbicha> I'm hoping it will land this week
[00:15] <darkxst> ok, g-s-d is basically blocked on lid close power actions
[00:15] <darkxst> (and possible wacom panel issues, which I can't test)
[00:18] <jbicha> I was thinking we should have ibus & indicator-keyboard land first and then start testing g-s-d 3.8
[00:45] <alexandros_c> hello, I just changed the gpu in my laptop from ati x1400 tp nvidia go 7900, do I have to reinstall the os?
[00:57] <darkxst> jbicha, ok I need to sort the lid close stuff anyway
[00:57] <darkxst> alexandros_c, no but you may need to make sure you have the correct X drivers installed
[00:58] <darkxst> it should boot up in fallback X
[00:59] <darkxst> then you can install nouvaeu or proprietry nvidia driver
[01:06] <alexandros_c> darkxst: do you know where to location the information to do it? Thanks for your response
[01:07] <darkxst> alexandros_c, see software & update and then additional drivers tab
[01:08] <alexandros_c> darkxst: thanks once again
[01:10] <alexandros_c> darkxst: it says that I am currently using a Gallium 0.4 on NV49
[01:13] <darkxst> its quite possible that nouveau is already installed, but its also likely that 3D is broken
[01:13] <alexandros_c> so reinstall the os?
[01:13] <darkxst> alexandros_c, run `glxinfo | grep -i opengl`
[01:13] <darkxst> alexandros_c, no
[01:14] <darkxst> check that command, if it says LLVM, then you just need to reinstall the driver
[01:16] <alexandros_c> darkxst: ok thanks, I have to install mesa-utils but I have to wait until the current update is finished
[01:16] <darkxst> settings->details might also tell you
[01:18] <alexandros_c> ok under driver it says Gallium 0.4 on NV49 and experience is standard
[01:44] <darkxst> ok not sure about that then, just get the glxinfo output
[02:14] <bjsnider> alexandros_c, how did you change the gpu in a laptop?
[02:21] <alexandros_c> bjsnider: because the ati x1400 was dying on me and causing the cpu using to always be high making the laptop unusable
[02:21] <bjsnider> no, i didn't ask why
[02:21] <bjsnider> i asked how
[02:21] <alexandros_c> lol
[02:22] <bjsnider> you'd have to change the whole board
[02:22] <bjsnider> the gpu is part of the chipset
[02:22] <alexandros_c> no
[02:22] <alexandros_c> with the dell inspiron 9400 the gpu can be changed
[02:23] <bjsnider> how?
[02:23] <alexandros_c> all I had to do was open up the laptop and unscrew the old gpu and screw in the new
[02:24] <bjsnider> ok, so it's an expansion card
[02:24] <alexandros_c> no it has a gpu port on the mobo
[02:24] <bjsnider> does it also have built-in intel graphics?
[02:24] <alexandros_c> no
[02:25] <alexandros_c> well actually it depends on what model you brought
[02:25] <bjsnider> were you not able to get a newer nvidia card than that?
[02:26] <alexandros_c> no only certain cards will fit the slot without moding the mobo
[02:27] <bjsnider> the newer blobs dropped support for hardware prior to the geforce 8
[02:27] <bjsnider> so the 304 series is the latest you can use
[02:28] <bjsnider> or you can use nouveau, whichever works better
[02:28] <alexandros_c> ok thanks, what about 3D acceleration?
[02:30] <bjsnider> both would provide it, certainly the blob would be superior
[02:31] <bjsnider> if that's your biggest concern, go with the blob
[02:31] <alexandros_c> what concerns are there?
[02:32] <alexandros_c> will it provide a performance boost?
[02:32] <bjsnider> nouveau would provide kms and plymouth
[02:32] <bjsnider> the lbob wouldn't
[02:32] <bjsnider> nouveau might be faster in 2d situations
[02:33] <bjsnider> then there's the ethical side if your interested in normative concerns. nouveau is foss
[02:38] <alexandros_c> what about nouveau 3d rendering?
[02:38] <darkxst> alexandros_c, like I said you will probably need to re-install the driver to get 3D rendering working
[02:39] <darkxst> X can only have a single GL driver installed at once
[02:39] <bjsnider> that is supported but there are a lot of edge cases where it doesn't work well. and in any case it will not be as fast as the blob
[02:39] <alexandros_c> so just use sudo apt-get install nouveau?
[02:40] <darkxst> alexandros_c, you could try 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nouveau'
[02:40] <bjsnider> if he was using radeon before he doesn't have to change anything
[02:41] <alexandros_c> so 3d should be working then?
[02:41] <bjsnider> you would have to reboot of course
[02:42] <darkxst> alexandros_c, glxinfo will tell you if 3D is working
[02:43] <alexandros_c> one more question, I according to systems detail I am using Gallium 0.4 on NV49, why is it saying that if I am using nouveau?
[02:43] <bjsnider> nouveau uses gallium
[02:43] <alexandros_c> ok
[02:46] <bjsnider> it uses gallium to provide opengl
[02:47] <alexandros_c> hey I got for vendor noveau, renderer Gallium 0.4 on NV49 version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.3 shading language version 1.20 and nothing for extension
[02:48] <bjsnider> nothing?
[02:48] <alexandros_c> nothing
[02:48] <alexandros_c> is that bad?
[02:48] <bjsnider> can you run glxgears?
[02:48] <darkxst> thats just from the grep
[02:48] <alexandros_c> it is running
[02:49] <darkxst> alexandros_c, it is fine
[02:49] <bjsnider> and you're getting 60fps
[02:49] <bjsnider> it's syncing to vblank
[02:49] <alexandros_c> 114.198 fps
[02:49] <bjsnider> ok, you maybe don't have vblank
[02:49] <alexandros_c> is that good?
[02:50] <bjsnider> you're running gnome-shell?
[02:50] <alexandros_c> yes
[02:50] <bjsnider> can you drag a window back and forth across the screen to see if you've got tearing?
[02:51] <alexandros_c> with a bunch of extensions installed
[02:51] <alexandros_c> yes I did and there was no tearing
[02:51] <bjsnider> hm, whatever. anyway, opengl is working
[02:51] <alexandros_c> kool
[02:52] <alexandros_c> are you running ubuntu-gnome?
[02:53] <bjsnider> darkxst, you only have to worry about drivers if you're using a blob. all of the xorg drivers are preinstalled, and they all talk to the system mesa libgl. libgl is redirected through alternatives to the blob's libgl if that is used.
[02:53] <bjsnider> so you can switch graphics cards without making any changes other than rebooting
[02:54] <alexandros_c> yip
[02:55] <bjsnider> unlike windows, where it's a bigger meal than most users can handle
[02:55] <darkxst> bjsnider, right, guess I got momentarily confused, isnt something I do very often (switch cards)
[02:55] <bjsnider> yeah, mostly people switching cards are amd users who are sick of all the b.s.
[02:55] <bjsnider> in true howard beale fashion
[02:56] <darkxst> my amd card is permently disabled ;)
[02:56] <alexandros_c> so you are using intel?
[02:56] <bjsnider> sounds like a good bumper sticker to me
[02:56] <bjsnider> i'm using intel ivb and got no complaints
[02:57] <darkxst> yeh
[02:57] <alexandros_c> bjsnider and darkxst are you'll running ubuntu-gnome
[02:57] <alexandros_c> ?
[02:57] <darkxst> alexandros_c, yes
[02:57] <bjsnider> yeah
[02:58] <alexandros_c> I can't choose between unity and gnome-shell as Like both
[03:03] <alexandros_c> :)
[03:07] <alexandros_c> darkxst and bjsnider thanks for all your help
[20:45] <jessejazza> Is there a mailing list for ubuntu-gnome? If not at present is that intended?


 I need help please! i some time ago rent a server(vps) and i try ti understand what in chennel in my server - hosting company tell - 100Mb/sec - i need to check it! I don't have another server for check it :( Please help - i shared one file ("World of Tanks" distrib. - http://worldoftanks.com/) - and please - if you can - start download this file just for 5-10 min - and
[14:33] <JustVPSTest> i can see in what channel i have in server! This is link to file: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/WoT_0.7.3_us_setup.rar (distr. in rar arch.)  Tnx for every one who help me!!!!!
[15:55] <patdk-wk> did someone just ask us to ddos someones server?
[17:32] <balloons> patdk-wk, lol.. I think so
[20:13] <phillw> balloons: ping
[20:27] <balloons> phillw, pong
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: could you ask around for a decent torrent server programme?
[20:33] <phillw> I know that Ubuntu uses one & am looking to install one on our server in time for 12.10
[20:34] <balloons> hmm
[20:34] <balloons> i can find out what is used by ubuntu, I believe :-)
[20:37] <phillw> thanks, I need to be able to throttle it so I do not exceed my data allowance, nor let it swamp my bandwidth. All I can find is clients, which are not what I need :)


[00:20] <bdx0> Hey what's up everyone? I'm trying to configure ha for some services by putting them behind haproxy
[00:21] <bdx0> First I set a vip for the service, then make the relation to the hacluster charm
[00:22] <bdx0> After the status settles and becomes idol I add more service units
[00:24] <bdx0> This seems to be a pretty straight forward process .....but I am bleeding caveats, bugs and errors around every corner.....is clustering services behind haproxy known to be problematic to some extent?
[00:33] <bdx> core, dev, charmers, openstack-charmers: charm store is down!
[00:33] <blahdeblah> bdx: Known issue - working on it
[00:34] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12871528/
[08:35] <gnuoy`> jamespage, could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charm-helpers/max_map_count/+merge/274979 if you get a mo?
[08:35] <jamespage> gnuoy`, +1
[08:35] <gnuoy`> thanks
[10:41] <admcleod-> is there a way to flush the action queue for an agent?
[10:44] <admcleod->  i moved /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-plugin-0/state/uniter but i suspect thats not the best way since now its runningthe install hook again
[12:03] <Icey> any idea why https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/charms/trusty/telegraf/trunk (last pushed to LP 17 hours ago) isn't yet available in the charm store at cs:~chris.macnaughton/trusty/telegraf ?
[12:15] <rick_h_> Icey: does charm proof pass on it?
[12:16] <rick_h_> Icey: w/o error?
[12:17] <Icey> eh, 3 W, 2 I; would be nice if passing charm proof was listed as a requirement on the actual documentation for submitting a charm to the charm store in a user namespace :)
[12:17] <Icey> will get it passing
[12:18] <rick_h_> Icey: just errors have to be clear. You're correct that it should be documented on that. It's step 4 on https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store
[12:19] <Icey> which is not in the section on "Name Space Charms" (https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store#name-space-charms)
[12:19] <Icey> :(
[12:19] <Icey> oh well :)
[12:19] <rick_h_> Icey: ok, will file a bug to get that updated. Thanks for pointing me where you were looking
[12:20] <Icey> blech: W: Maintainer format should be "Name <Email>", not "Chris MacNaughton<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:20] <Icey> parsing fail?
[12:21] <rick_h_> Icey: https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/708 filed if you'd like to track
[12:21] <Icey> heh cool
[12:21] <Icey> thanks :)
[12:21] <rick_h_> Icey: hmm, no errors though
[12:25] <Icey> apparently charms with warning aren't passed on to the charm store
[12:25] <Icey> which is kind of annoying because apparently it really doesn't like my email?
[12:26] <rick_h_> Icey: looking, I think this might be due to the legacy (older store) running an older proof. I'm installing the older version now to check if it throws errors
[12:26] <rick_h_> Icey: I know the store only skips charms for error conditions
[12:26] <rick_h_> Icey: if it's not that, then some other bug and we'll get the team to look into it
[12:26] <Icey> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/tools-charm-tools
[12:26] <Icey> warning level blocks charm store upload as well
[12:27] <Icey> "Any charm with a Warning or Error will not pass charm store review policy."
[12:27] <rick_h_> Icey: that's for promulgation
[12:27] <rick_h_> Icey: for being recommended, not personal namespace
[12:27] <Icey> that's in the proof docs
[12:27] <Icey> -_-
[12:27] <Icey> I'm cleaning up the proof issues anyways
[12:27] <rick_h_> if you want to be the official telegraf charm in the store and able to juju deploy telegraf it can't have warnings
[12:27] <Icey> but annoying that it doesn't like my name + email format -_-
[12:28] <Icey> that's the goal soon, but not just yet ;-)
[12:28] <rick_h_> Icey: one step at a time :)
[12:28] <Icey> yeah, first official charm is the goal with this, and it's an auxiliary charm for something we're working on :-P
[12:31] <rick_h_> Icey: filed https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/168 and ping'd the team to peek at it. We'll see what they find
[12:31] <Icey> apparently tags is bad?
[12:31] <Icey> well, we'll see :-P
[12:32] <rick_h_> no, I know other charms have tags
[12:32] <rick_h_> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/trusty/rabbitmq-server-38/archive/metadata.yaml for instance
[12:33] <rick_h_> so I think I'm pulling at straws
[12:33] <Icey> different format?
[12:33] <Icey> I'm using the yaml array format, rabbitmq is using [] ?
[12:33] <rick_h_> no, i tried to match taht format locally and it still errored
[12:33] <Icey> gah
[12:33] <Icey> well, I'm going to push a change that clears most of the rest
[12:33] <Icey> maintainer had a typo, missing the closing > -_-
[12:33] <rick_h_> Icey: cool thanks, the folks will investigate
[12:34] <Icey> and who knows, maybe it'll go now with less charm proof complaints ;-)
[12:34] <rick_h_> Icey: there's a chance
[13:04] <Icey> rick_h_ I bet if you tried `charm proof` on the version that threw that error before that it'd pass now :)
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> A review/merge of https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/nrpe-servicegroups/+merge/275009 would be much appreciated.
[13:53] <mbruzek> ping rick_h_
[14:06] <rick_h_> mbruzek: pong
[14:07] <mbruzek> I have found my answer in a bug you wrote against docs.  But who (besides you) knows about the ingest process/rules ?
[14:11] <rick_h_> mbruzek: urulama and bac in particular
[14:12] <mbruzek> rick_h_: Thank you.
[15:29] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: Thanks for the merge!
[17:59] <bdx> Whats up charmers, openstack-charmers, core, dev?
[18:01] <bdx> core, dev, charmers, openstack-charmers: I am expeimenting with deploying openstack stateless services behind hacluster, and am experiencing a plethora of issues....do you guys know that ha deploys are entirely borked???
[18:05] <bdx> core, dev, charmers, openstack-charmers: I can exploit and reproduce each problem, and create bugs for each, unless this is being delt with on a higher level somehow/someway.....
[18:06] <lp|lunch> bdx, o/
[18:07] <lp|lunch> bdx, thats interesting, I'm fairly certain we test the OpenStack bundles with an HA deployment
[18:07] <bdx> lazyPower: how sure?
[18:08] <lazyPower> lets take the pepsi challenge
[18:08] <lazyPower> beisner, o/
[18:08] <lazyPower> beisner, we test openstack with hacluster + test HA deployments in osci don't we?
[18:10] <beisner> o/ lazyPower
[18:10] <beisner> lazyPower, yep, uosci exercises HA deploys, but even better ... the whole test infra runs on a juju-deployed trusty-kilo HA openstack cloud ;-)
[18:11] <bdx> lazyPower, beisner: even though my juju env looks great: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878545/
[18:11] <bdx> the functionality of the openstack services is so broken
[18:12] <bdx> using percona, things are 10x more broken
[18:13] <bdx> hooks error for shared-db for glance, cinder, nova-cloud-controller, and neutron-api if percona-cluster is used
[18:15] <lazyPower> bdx, filing bugs for these issues that you're uncovering would be helpful. This may or may not be a gap in our testing coverage.
[18:15] <lazyPower> but having a bug to track them as they get investigated would be helpful so we have a reference to begin looking at the issue(s) afoot here and we can get this prioritized
[18:16] <bdx> lazyPower: entirely....I will set aside my upcoming weekend to do so
[18:17] <beisner> bdx, there are perhaps infinite topology and ha decisions to make.  here is what we exercise, with percona cluster, essentially 3 units of every service...
[18:18] <beisner> have been running something very similar to that in prod for 1.5+ yrs, and have taken that prod cloud from trusty-icehouse to trusty-juno to trusty-kilo
[18:18] <beisner> these links are dev/testing, but may provide more insight
[18:18] <beisner> but you'll have to self-parse branches into the bundle
[18:19] <beisner> "trusty-kilo-ha":  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ost-maintainers/openstack-mojo-specs/mojo-openstack-specs/view/head:/helper/bundles/ha.yaml
[18:19] <beisner> +
[18:19] <beisner> branches:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ost-maintainers/openstack-mojo-specs/mojo-openstack-specs/view/head:/helper/collect/collect-next-ha
[18:19] <beisner> ie.  juju-deployer -B -v -c ha.yaml -d trusty-kilo-ha
[18:20] <beisner> our automation parses the two and puts branches where they belong
[18:22] <beisner> bdx, bear in mind, that the 15.10 openstack charm release is upon us this week.  that means all of these "next" branches will become charm store charm versions very shortly.
[18:23] <bdx> beisner: what I'm getting from this is that alot of the problems I'm having have most likely been delt with in the 15.10 release
[18:24] <beisner> bdx, some bug fixes, sure.  but i'm sitting on a cloud that has existed for > 1.5 yrs, originally deployed with old charms, and upgraded along the way.
[18:25] <beisner> bdx, the big gain with 15.07 and 15.10 are improvements around service status (better feedback in juju stat) + leadership election (juju 1.24.x really helps facilitate clustering activities).
[18:34] <bdx> beisner: sweet. thanks!
[18:36] <beisner> bdx, youre sure welcome!   i'd say have a look at the topology, configurations and usage in that example link and ignore the fact that it references dev charms.
[18:38] <bdx> beisner: entirely....
[18:38] <beisner> bdx, lazyPower - perhaps one day we will have a proper example bundle in the charmstore for openstack HA.  i do think that is on our list-o-stuff to do.
[18:38] <beisner> it's difficult though, since there are so many variables with HA, and one has to pre-determine VIP addresses, etc etc
[18:38] <bdx> awesome....totally
[18:43] <beisner> bdx, oh so one thing to beware of - that example will use a zillion machines.  you would have to co-locate in a more sensible hardware allocation.  such as:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878773/
[19:30] <Icey> rick_h_ https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/charms/trusty/telegraf/trunk is still not in jujucharms.com -_-
[19:55] <lazyPower> Icey, does it pass proof?
[19:55] <lazyPower> nothing above an I: will get ingested
[19:55] <lazyPower> as the return code is 1, so it bails out
[19:56] <Icey> % charm proof
[19:56] <Icey> I: File config.yaml not found.
[19:56] <Icey> I is the only issue
[19:56] <lazyPower> can you open an issue here? https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues
[19:57] <lazyPower> link @ your lp branch, and ping in #juju-gui. this went through rick_h_ before but i'm pretty sure this now is under the maintenance of urulama
[19:57] <Icey> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/168
[19:57] <lazyPower> oh
[19:57] <lazyPower> well then
[19:57] <Icey> :)
[19:57] <lazyPower> i just pinged two ppl, lets hope they notice :D
[19:58] <lazyPower> interesting on that bug though
[19:58] <urulama> hey
[19:58] <Icey> yeah, I made some changes that clean up most of the other charm proof issues
[19:58] <lazyPower> mbruzek, did you see this?
[19:58]  * urulama reads back
[19:58] <lazyPower> mbruzek, issue #168
[19:58] <lazyPower> mbruzek, sorry link is here: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/168
[19:58] <mbruzek> looking
[20:01] <mbruzek> lazyPower: I talked with rick_h_ today about this.  Charms will still get ingested if they have proof warnings, but bundles will fail ingestion with proof problems.
[20:02] <Icey> there are no proof problems though...
[20:23] <urulama> Icey: we'll look into it. the charm seems ok. I'll dig into the logs.
[20:24] <Icey> thanks :)
[20:36] <urulama> Icey: your charm is ok and will get published in charm store
[20:36] <Icey> thanks :)
[20:36] <Icey> what was the issue?
[20:36] <urulama> Icey: there are some technical difficulties with it at the moment, thanks for your patience
[20:36] <urulama> Icey: no charm got published today


[17:15] <ErichEickmeyer> Wow, that was a long 24 hours. sakrecoer, I'll look into that bridge; it seems the Lubuntu and Kubuntu communities are especially on it.
[17:18] <ErichEickmeyer> Everyone: Perhaps this is just bandwagoning, but it seems as though several of the flavors are dropping 32-bit support. I can see the big advantage of not having to worry about packaging for 32-bit anymore, which would ease workload. Any thoughts?
[17:20] <OvenWerks> I am not sure we will have a choice
[17:20] <OvenWerks> we depend on the lowlatency kernel and the kernel people are wanting to drop 32bit as well. I am not sure if lubuntu are building their own or not
[17:22] <OvenWerks> I suspect ubuntu wants to get rid of all or at least much of the 32bit repo as well with respect to importing new versions etc.
[17:23] <OvenWerks> The idea was that 18.04 being an LTS would keep 32 bit stuff around for the length of the lts.
[17:25] <OvenWerks>  I do happen to have a number of 32 bit machines in the house from 1998 till about 2004 ish. The 1998 laptop is very slow and not really in use :) but my server is a P4 (running 14.04 I think)
[17:27] <OvenWerks> I also have a netbook from around 2010ish that is 32bit that runs fine (better than a P4). It seems that oolder computers were built better and are still running (PATA drives and all).
[17:28] <OvenWerks> However, there will still be other OSes around for the netbook if I want to upgrade and I do have a 64bit ready  the server.
[17:33] <OvenWerks> the 32bit deadline is 2038ish  ;) then the clocks roll over to 1970...
[17:40] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: to keep 32bit may mean supporting the packages on our own.
[17:44]  * OvenWerks is switching his desktop to 18.04... gotta look for all the dev packages :P
[17:59] <krytarik> Fwiw, nobody is talking about dropping 32-bit packages off the repo so far - just stopping to build 32-bit installation images.
[18:00] <OvenWerks> I guess the question becomes: can someone do useful artistic creation with a 32bit system?
[18:01] <OvenWerks> I know there are already some of our packages that are 64bit only
[18:02] <krytarik> Well, I would so we should drop once the majority of Ubuntu flavors did - and likely before the more lightweight ones too.
[18:02] <OvenWerks> On the other hand, there are (were?) a few packages that require 32bit operation
[18:04] <krytarik> Yes, and multiarch support is still there, of course - and I'd think the maintainer of said packages wouldn't give up 32-bit support on those.. :P
[21:40] <OvenWerks> hmm, ubuntustudio-controls ends up in the system submenu. Should it?
[21:40] <OvenWerks> I am thinking that maybe we should have that be in settings
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Next question: do all DEs have a settings sub menu? That is, how do they deal with settings utilities that are not a part of their own settings widget?


[18:22] <zaki> hello
[18:23] <zaki> from lubuntu :D
[18:23] <zaki> pavlushka,
[18:24] <pavlushka> zaki: yeah, that's me
[18:24] <pavlushka> zaki: and you are?
[18:24] <zaki> yeah me
[18:24] <zaki> installed Lubuntu 17.10
[18:25] <pavlushka> zaki: what brings you to Lubuntu?
[18:25] <zaki> is there any channel like #lubuntu-bd ? :D
[18:26] <zaki> performance and performance  :D
[18:26] <zaki> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: AMD E2-1800 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (1.36GHz) • Memory: Physical: 2.5 GiB Total (1.2 GiB Free) Swap: 5.9 GiB Total (5.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 9.2 GB / 86.7 GB (77.5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 7340] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 12h/14h Processor Function 5 • Uptime: 35m 9s
[18:27] <pavlushka> lol @ zaki> is there any channel like #lubuntu-bd ? :D
[18:28] <pavlushka> zaki: I tried pantheon desktop for a while
[18:28] <pavlushka> zaki: good for a beginner for graphics and animations
[18:29] <zaki> searching.....
[18:29] <zaki> ha ha
[18:29] <zaki> first I tried Debian 9
[18:29] <pavlushka> zaki: some one new moved into Ubuntu and he loved pantheon (which is an Elementary OS default DE)
[18:30] <pavlushka> zaki: oh, how was debian 9?
[18:31] <zaki> কিন্তু সি পি ইউ ইউসেজ এতো বেশি আসতেসিল , একটু পরেই আবার লুবুন্টু দিসি
[18:31] <pavlushka> zaki: and about the pantheon guy, he installed that on Ubuntu but was buggy (as it is not tuned for Ubuntu)
[18:31] <zaki> I tried Debian with LXDE
[18:32] <pavlushka> zaki: debian is for servers or admin guys, not for daily desktop use
[18:32] <zaki> hmm
[18:33] <zaki> so I moved to lubuntu :D
[18:33] <pavlushka> zaki: but if you have loads of CPU power and loads of RAM, then oyu can also try debian as a desktop
[18:34] <zaki> btw now they are creating Linux DE's look like Windows. and I hate it too much
[18:34] <pavlushka> zaki: LXDE is like walking on water but not drowning into CPU latency due to poor machine spechs
[18:35] <pavlushka> zaki: yeah, If I loved Windows that much, I would have switched to windows, not to a windows like DE :p
[18:36] <pavlushka> zaki: cinnamon has windows like looks, that's why I dont like that
[18:36] <zaki> yeah thats what I can't understand about them
[18:37] <pavlushka> zaki: on the contrary, for people who switched newly from windows for some reason, they seems to look for windows like appearence, good for them
[18:39] <pavlushka> zaki: think about the Governments and Farms who swiched to Linux, The Employess has no choice but to use Linux then, good for them if they got a Windows look a like DE, right?
[18:39] <pavlushka> zaki: mine and your cases are different, we swithced because we liked the system along with the DE, no one forced us :)
[18:41] <zaki> yes of course
[18:41] <zaki> totally got your point :)
[18:41] <zaki> so it has so much good point
[18:42] <zaki> those I haven't  think about. :D
[18:42] <pavlushka> zaki: yeah, it just depends on choice and taste
[18:46] <pavlushka> zaki: and one more thing, do you know that if you have multiple GNU/Linux (arch, ubuntu, debian. fedora, Suse) installed onto your system and only one linux bootable device
[18:48] <pavlushka> zaki: you can fix all of the GNU/Linux installation with that Linux bootable USB/CD by just using the chroot environment!
[18:49] <zaki> wow
[18:49] <pavlushka> zaki: I did it just now, from a Ubuntu bootable pendrive, I fixed my Parabola arch ^^
[18:50] <zaki> I know about chroot environment but not like this
[18:50] <zaki> now I know
[18:50] <zaki> I suggested about chroot to remonshai some days earlier
[18:51] <pavlushka> zaki: I had a facebook note on this if you have read that, I updated that note yesterday adding solution by chroot
[18:52] <pavlushka> zaki: reinstalling grub!
[18:54] <zaki> I haven't I will check it now
[18:54] <pavlushka> zaki: and also you can fix initramfs issues of different systems using chroot from another system
[18:55] <pavlushka> zaki: link is available on my ubuntu wiki
[18:56] <zaki> Reinstalling grub2 and recovering lost Ubuntu OS co-installed with Windows ?
[18:57] <pavlushka> yep
[18:58] <zaki> got this
[18:58] <zaki> https://www.facebook.com/notes/pavel-sayekat/reinstalling-grub2-and-recovering-lost-ubuntu-os-co-installed-with-windows/10208918838465787/
[18:58] <u-la-la> [ Reinstalling grub2 and recovering lost Ubuntu OS co-installed with Windows ] - https://www.facebook.com
[18:58] <pavlushka> zaki: in case the gurb-install returns error like not installing due to memory occupied by flexnet, you have to use "--force" switch
[19:09] <zaki> so many things to learn :)
[19:09] <zaki> thanks
[19:10] <zaki> and good night :)
[19:10] <pavlushka> zaki: good night :)


[02:14] <detectiveinspekt> hi
[02:15] <jrib> detectiveinspekt: hi
[02:15] <jrib> run this for kicks: find ~/.local ! -user $USER
[02:16] <detectiveinspekt> i could solve this problem by uninstalling totem this works but my brother needs it for mythtv
[02:16] <detectiveinspekt> k
[02:16] <detectiveinspekt> jrib: "permission denied"
[02:16] <jrib> nice
[02:16] <jrib> you're running this as your user not root right?
[02:17] <detectiveinspekt> yep
[02:17] <jrib> ls -ld ~/.local
[02:17] <jrib> output here
[02:17] <detectiveinspekt> drwx------ 3 root root 4096 2007-02-27 18:25 /home/jonathan/.local
[02:17] <jrib> alright, somehow root owns ~/.local.  This usually happens when you sudo gui apps
[02:18] <jrib> to fix:  sudo chown -R $USER: ~/.local
[02:18] <detectiveinspekt> shouldn't i own this?
[02:18] <detectiveinspekt> yk
[02:18] <detectiveinspekt> ok
[02:19] <detectiveinspekt> oh yes it works now thanks
[02:19] <jrib> np
[02:19] <detectiveinspekt> i do find it difficult to know where everything is
[02:19] <jrib> you may want to do: find ~ ! -user $USER
[02:19] <detectiveinspekt> like conf files etc
[02:20] <jrib> that will list everything in your HOME that isn't owned by you
[02:20] <jrib> or just chown your whole HOME back to yourself if you are sure you don't want other ownership for anything in there
[02:21] <detectiveinspekt> ok great it worked thanks


[02:28] <meoblast001> we should make a commercial =D
[02:28] <meoblast001> and air it nationwide
[02:28] <meoblast001> lets call it.... The Big Ubuntu Commercial Project
[02:43] <BHSPitMonkey> go for it
[02:44] <BHSPitMonkey> (I'm not sure what a commercial does for something that isn't commercial)
[02:51] <meoblast001> draws attention
[02:51] <meoblast001> makes ppl stop saying "Linwhat?"
[03:17] <rjian> good morning everyone
[10:43] <myckeul> mouhahah
[10:43] <myckeul> :)
[10:43] <myckeul> hello everybody !
[10:44] <quesh-m> http://www.ndeschildre.net/2008/12/09/on-a-new-ubuntu-news-website/
[10:45] <quesh-m> it's a very good idea


[09:16] <Skia> strange to see the boot log in the nova console output though. Maybe some network issue in the VM?
[14:46] <andersson1234> bluca: I'm workin on ur bug
[14:46] <andersson1234> fix seems simple enough :)
[14:51] <bluca> ah nice, thank you!
[15:08] <andersson1234> I eat my words. not that simple. Don't expect a fix within the next couple hours :D
[15:15] <bluca> no problem at all, thanks for looking into it
[16:00] <andersson1234> bluca: if you were to re-trigger manually, the GITHUB_STATUSES_URL wouldn't change, right?
[16:01] <andersson1234> same for UPSTREAM_PULL_REQUEST?
[16:34] <andersson1234> i eat my words again, I've cowboyed a potential fix in prod just now
[16:34] <andersson1234> bluca: you wanna test see if it fixes the issue?
[17:05] <bluca> yeah the status/pr vars would be the same
[17:05] <bluca> let me check
[17:06] <bluca> retried the noble-arm64 job for https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/31623 which was failed
[17:07] <bluca> UPSTREAM_PULL_REQUEST=31623 GITHUB_STATUSES_URL=https://api.github.com/repos/systemd/systemd/statuses/d34c3e37807a3212bb0be66b13871945fdf62fd8


[00:22] <popey> bzoltan_: i have reproduced that issue on askubuntu with a clean 14.04 install, added the ppa, dist-upgraded then tried to install ubuntu-sdk and got this:- http://imgur.com/bdsVPFH
[00:23] <popey> bzoltan_: trying to install ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev depends libqt5webkit5-dev but won't be installed
[00:23] <popey> bzoltan_: if I manually install libqt5webkit5-dev it pulls in the universe
[00:23] <popey> bzoltan_: and it wants to remove a load too - including all the xorg utopic HWE stack
[00:25] <popey> bzoltan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10559268/
[00:32] <Guest53016> hello... this is forum for Qt Creator --> Ubuntu?
[04:34] <bzoltan_> popey:  we need to know where these packages come from. apt-cache policy ubuntu-sdk ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev libqt5webkit5-dev
[04:41] <bzoltan_> popey: I clearly do remember that the ubuntu-sdk meta package comes from the SDK PPA, but it seems to be gone from there. Somebody just removed it and I am afraid that now  it comes from the rchive... what is not necessray the right one.
[04:46] <bzoltan_> popey: I have not touched the LTS sdk packages for ages ... all I kept updateing was the click*, phablet-tools and qtc packages
[04:58] <bzoltan_> popey:  I suspect the webapp team. Let's check with dbarth and  alexabraeu
[10:35] <popey> bzoltan_: yes, confimed http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561384
[10:36] <popey> bzoltan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10561392 is a better paste
[10:51] <bzoltan_> popey:  so all we need to figure out is who, when and why  changed what in Trusty.
[10:51] <popey> bzoltan_: in the ppa you mean?
[10:52] <bzoltan_> popey:  Yes, that too.. but as you see, this ubuntu-sdk comes from the LTS archive.
[10:52] <popey> right
[10:52] <bzoltan_> popey: who and when released this 1.126.1 ubuntu-sdk in Trusty?
[10:53] <popey> bzoltan_: i see nothing recently at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/trusty-changes/
[10:54] <popey> i.e. nothing this year
[10:54] <bzoltan_> popey: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-sdk here it is 1.126 and not 1.126.1 ... does it matter?
[10:55] <popey> where are you seeing 1.126.1?
[10:55] <popey> oh, trusty-updates
[10:56] <bzoltan_> popey:  in your pastebin
[10:56] <popey> ya
[10:56] <popey> i see now.
[10:56] <bzoltan_>   Candidate: 1.126.1
[10:56] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/devel/ubuntu-sdk
[10:56] <popey> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/u/ubuntu-touch-meta/ubuntu-touch-meta_1.126.1/changelog
[10:56] <popey> loic :)
[10:56] <popey> but that was nearly a year ago
[10:57] <popey> i dont think that's the issue.
[10:57] <popey> (I need to go afk)
[10:57] <popey> (sorry)
[10:57] <bzoltan_> popey:  May 2014 by lool .. I do not think it is relevant
[11:41] <the0man> hello
[19:43] <ogra_> geez ...
[19:43] <ogra_> how do others handle the fact that all timers get stopped if your app is backgrounded ?
[19:43] <popey> they don't
[19:44] <ogra_> well, i'm surethe "time elapsed" counting in the music app is correct
[19:44] <ogra_> so they must handle that somehow
[19:44] <ahayzen_> ogra_, that time elapsed is directly from the MediaPlayer.position
[19:44] <ogra_> ah
[19:44] <ogra_> crapp
[19:44] <ahayzen_> ogra_, and we have a lifecycle exception at the moment ;)
[19:44] <ogra_> cant get that for my app
[19:45] <ahayzen_> ogra_, can you not just take like the time() and compare?
[19:45] <ogra_> yeah, i will have to
[19:46] <ogra_> i' workign on a native internet radio app ... cnstant stream from the station ... so media-hub wont get me a proper duration/elapsed time
[19:46] <ahayzen_> ugh :/
[19:46] <ahayzen_> do you not get any timestamp/position at all ?
[19:46] <ogra_> they give me json with a timestamp when the song started so i can compute the offset when entering the strem
[19:47] <ogra_> (assuming my clock matches the servers :P )
[19:47] <ahayzen_> haha
[19:48] <ahayzen_> you should probably talk to jhodapp when he is about
[19:48] <ogra_> well, i doubt he can help me there
[19:48] <ogra_> the actual mp3 streaam has no meta data i think
[19:48] <ahayzen_> unless there is some position he can expose in media-hub for you
[19:49] <ogra_> well, i'll just sotore timestamps and compare them i guess
[19:49] <ogra_> *store
[19:50] <ahayzen_> yeah probably best for now :)
[19:50]  * ogra_ has heard unbelivable amounts of music today fiddlin gwith that app ... unbelivable what old stuff you run into that you havent heard in 20 years
[19:51] <ogra_> me wonders if anyone remembers "Stephen "tin tin" Duffy" - "Kiss Me" thats just playing here :P
[19:51] <ogra_> i guess davmor2 has a weird enough music taste to remember it :)
[19:54] <popey> i do
[19:54] <ogra_> haha, old farts united
[19:55] <popey> yesterday I heard Blockbuster by Sweet and Parts of the union by Strawbs, which is now stuck in my head
[19:55] <popey> yes
[19:57] <ahayzen_> blockbuster \o/
[19:58] <popey> :)
[19:58] <popey> you're _way_ too young to remember that!
[19:58] <ogra_> :)
[19:58]  * popey looks around and suspects ahayzen_ is the youngest here.
[19:58] <ahayzen_> gotta love the 70s
[19:59] <ahayzen_> not that i was around for another 20yrs....
[19:59] <popey> :)
[19:59]  * ogra_ listens too "strech - Why did you do it" ... the maxi version atm
[20:06] <popey> I would quite like a TuneIn radio style app
[20:06] <ahayzen_> that'd be cool
[20:06] <popey> but I'm content with it having just one button "Make Radio 4 Come out of my speakers"
[20:06]  * ogra_ doesnt know tune-in
[20:07] <popey> very popular app on android and ios
[20:07] <ahayzen_> heh Radio 4
[20:07] <popey> yeah, shut your face, you'll be old one day :)
[20:07] <ogra_> hmm ...
[20:07] <ogra_> i wonder what to do with my lautfm webapp
[20:08] <ogra_> i guess i have to remove it when i upload the native one
[20:08]  * popey notes that someone put a YouPorn webapp in the store
[20:08] <ogra_> lol
[20:08] <popey> wondered how long before someone would do that
[20:08] <popey> ogra_: why not just upload the native one over the top of the old one?
[20:08] <popey> so people get an "upgrade"
[20:08] <ogra_> popey, namespace changed
[20:08] <ogra_> i doubt it would just replace the old one
[20:09] <popey> if it doesn't, its a bug
[20:09] <ogra_> new is: lautfm.ogra
[20:09] <ogra_> old is com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.lautfm
[20:09] <ahayzen_> we should have a way of like aliasing an old namespace to a new one  ... or is it supposed to ?
[20:09] <ogra_> it is on the server ... but i doubt click on the device handles it
[21:10] <nik90> popey: hey, btw it would be best if tomorrow I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1429273 merged before you ask QA to review clock for store upload.
[21:10] <nik90> popey: it fixes a critical crash in vivid
[21:10] <popey> erk
[21:11] <nik90> popey: ?
[21:11] <popey> yes. it would be prudent, as they'll reject it otherwise.
[21:12] <popey> focus is heavily on vivid now
[21:12] <nik90> popey: well the crasher started appearing only after the UITK upload on friday
[21:12] <popey> bah
[21:12] <nik90> popey: so I dint see this coming when I asked for the store upload
[21:13] <popey> sorry about that. Yes, lets get that merged asap and we can ask QA soon after.
[21:13] <popey> how are translations looking?
[21:14] <nik90> around 13 languages 100 % complete
[21:14] <nik90> I think French will be imported tomorrow morning since it was done 20 mins back
[21:16] <nik90> popey: Yeah I will get the help of zsombor to approve and merge the MP tomorrow morning as well
[21:17]  * ahayzen_ notes he should probably move to vivid on his desktop and phone
[21:19] <popey> system-D-Day!
[21:19] <popey> nik90: ok.
[21:20] <ahayzen_> \o/ social troll day :/
[21:20] <popey> hah
[21:22] <nik90> hehe
[21:23] <ahayzen_> popey, did you sort that issue with the weather-app reboot building for amd64 instead of arm in the end?
[21:25] <popey> no, nik90 said he would take a look :)
[21:26] <popey> or did I?
[21:26] <nik90> popey: u did..I cross-checked and it seems clock does the same as well
[21:26] <nik90> which is where we took the cmake file from
[21:26] <popey> oh, so mess on my end
[21:26] <popey> oh
[21:27] <ahayzen_> magic
[21:27] <nik90> popey: my guess is that the CMakeList detects the arch it is built on ... and you built it on your amd64 laptop
[21:27] <popey> probably yeah
[21:27] <nik90> while QtC creates the armhf click package using the necessary chroots
[21:29] <nik90> popey, ahayzen_: Yup that has to be it .. looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/CMakeLists.txt#L76
[21:29] <nik90> it looks at the host arch
[21:29] <popey> makes no sense for a pure qml app
[21:29] <ahayzen_> nik90, yeah that looks like it
[21:29] <nik90> well both weather and clock aren't pure qml apps
[21:30] <nik90> I presume weather will soon get a C++ backend to get the timezone info the same way clock is doing that now
[21:30] <ahayzen_> yup i would assume that as well
[21:31] <popey> oh of course
[21:31] <popey> i forgot about that
[21:31] <popey> so ignore me
[21:32] <nik90> The clock CMakelists was reviewed by 2-3 people, so I would stick to it. Hopefully when we get fat package support from the SDK we can revisit this again
[21:33] <popey> +1
[21:36] <mzanetti> popey, hey, can you test this please? see the description on instructions: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/improve-error-handling/+merge/252227
[21:37] <mzanetti> rpadovani, ^
[21:42] <popey> woah, nice update
[21:42] <popey> will have to test in the morning, my device is dead
[23:30] <DS-McGuire> mhall119, Are you awake?


[00:18] <ubptgbot> amavis442 was added by: amavis442
 Welcome @amavis442 !  This is a link most newcomers appreciate so I hope this helps you too … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[01:11] <ubptgbot> Pietia was added by: Pietia
 @Pietia, Welcome, Pietia! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in the Welcome & Install room! 🙂
 Thanks guys! :) Hi, I check it out while looking for an alternative to test in my old Samsung Galaxy Ace 2, but I think it wouldn't work out, right? ;)
 @Pietia, Unfortunately not. You could attempt to port UT to it if you have the time an an extra phone, however! 🙂
[02:55] <ubptgbot> jeabalos was added by: jeabalos
[03:34] <ubptgbot> <Finn Riordan> Question: I have an old LG K7. Would I be able to install Ubuntu touch?
 @Finn Riordan, I don't believe so. Check the supported devices on the site. You could start porting it yourself if you desired.
 Is there any official porting links or videos available? For snapdragon chips
[06:08] <ubptgbot> Cédric was added by: Cédric
 hello dudes, … i plan to buy a used phone and install ubport. do you recommend one of the supported devices most? how about battery life in general? will the experience be as smooth as using android or will it be a pain in the a**?
 @Cédric, Probably nexus 5 is your best choice if you want everything it can offer
 @samzn, is the hardware still powerfull enough? i dont need to play games and stuff, just call people and use the browser...
 Ya, I use it daily
 The sd800’s still a beast
 @SRIDHARDV, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @Cédric, This is the list of supported devices http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices Depending on your budget and which one it's easier to buy for you, the answer may be different
 My daily driver is a Nexus 5, stable channel
 @samzn, i will buy it too
 thx dudes
[07:39] <ubptgbot> Sandeepa Dilshan was added by: Sandeepa Dilshan
[07:41] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> Can you make Ubuntu touch os for huawei media pad t1 8.0(S8-701u)?
[07:41] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> I love ubuntu
 @Sandeepa Dilshan, Hi Sandeepa, welcome. See http://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @Sandeepa Dilshan, This is the list of supported devices http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices
[07:42] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> Plz make that touch Ubuntu os
 It's not a question of willingness, porting is a complex task as you can see here https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html Ubports is a volunteer based project, not a company
[07:44] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> Ooo thanx
[07:44] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> To what company , would I say it?
 There's no such company for now
 Canonical was "the" company, they abandoned the project, and now "we" are trying to keep the torch lit
[07:47] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> Good
 @advocatux, And doing an excellent job keeping lit by the way! Thanks guys and gals?
[07:48] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> Are you in other groups?
 Are you asking Ismail or me?
[07:49] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> You
 Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking exactly
[07:50] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> I mean what are the groups which I can learn linux
 This is OT in this group but... do you want to learn how to user Linux as a user, as an administrator, as an developer... ?
 [Edit] This is OT in this group but... do you want to learn how to user Linux as a user, as an administrator, as a developer... ?
 [Edit] This is OT in this group but... do you want to learn how to use Linux as a user, as an administrator, as a developer... ?
[07:53] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> As an administrator
 There are thousands of recourses in Internet for that. Look for "Linux System Administrator" using your favorite search engine ;)
 v.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemAdministration
[07:59] <ubptgbot> <Sandeepa Dilshan> Thanx
 You're welcome
 @advocatux, Thank you
 👍
[08:10] <ubptgbot> xandrosdarkstorm was added by: xandrosdarkstorm
[08:15] <ubptgbot> ankaos was added by: ankaos
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 Hi, welcome @xandrosdarkstorm & @ankaos. See http://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 is there any community build UT port for Xiomi Note 3 ?
 @Jishnurajm, Hi Jishnu, what's the codename for that device? hennessy? I don't think there's any community port for that yet
 @advocatux, hennessy or kenzo I,m not sure
 I've searched it for you. Note 3 is hennessy, and Note 3 Pro is kenzo :)
 It's actually "jason"
 here's the reference http://en.miui.com/thread-252582-1-1.html
 Seems that Cancro is the only one receiving attention
 @advocatux, mm
 @jeabalos, lol I always consult that list but this time I looked the info here http://en.miui.com/thread-225849-1-1.html My bad. Sorry!
 Anyway, no community port for any of them
 oh my bad
 ow, that's sad. My test device is also Xiaomi (Mi 5).
 There's people working in porting to Halium these https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+xiaomi
 here most of them are using MI, but no ports are available
 @advocatux, Halium? Is it not Helium?
 Nope
 @advocatux, ok
 Anyway, I'm seeing the source of confussion in your list. There are Mi devices and Redmi devices
 hennessy                             | Redmi Note 3 (MTK)
 | jason                                    |Mi Note 3
 Maybe we just need to buy the supported devices haha.
 Halium is a word play with HAL
 I'm sorry I can't do that...
 @advocatux, Redmi is different from Mi. Redmi are cheaper versions of xiaomi devices.
 @JasonMD, 😂
 Everyone knows why he was called right?
 HAL
 @jeabalos, but @Jishnurajm asked for "Xiomi Note 3". Is that a Mi or a Redmi phone?
 Mi
 Ok, thank you
 XIOMI REDMI NOTE 3
 @Jishnurajm, example from samsung:  … 👍
 😁
 example from samsung to xaiomi:  … Galaxy devices = Xiaomi, and Galaxy Duos = Xiaomi Redmi
 So it's a Redmi not a Mi phone? lol I need a break
 They are just different versions of device from Xiaomi haha
 As Je said, Mi = Premium Redmi = Cheaper
 @JasonMD, indeed!
 The Redmi's are very competitively priced
 @JasonMD, Fine but what is that device codename then?
 @advocatux, for Mi Note 3? its jason.
 yeah and for Redmi Note 3 is hennessy
 (Photo, 349x30) https://irc.ubports.com/8C47vGGW.png
 Are you sure? Both a Mi and a Redmi version exist...
 @advocatux, correct!
 yes
 @JasonMD, yes
 ok there we go, confusing naming huh?
 hahaha
 Fwd from Jishnurajm: XIOMI REDMI NOTE 3
 and they really churn them out too...
 I understand now why nobody is working on those devices 😂
 They are constantly releasing new models
 Mind you Song ans Samsung seem to do quite similar
 Sony
 @advocatux, 😅
 very confusing haha
[09:18] <ulrichard> This was asked probably before. Can I adjust the repository address somewhere from canonical to ubports. That way I hope to upgrade without reflashing my device and loose all my settings.
 @ulrichard, You can reflash without wiping the device and your data should be preserved, but you should back up just in case something goes awry
 No, you have to reflash. But you don't need to lose your settings. Backup is a good precaution (but I didn't use mine).
[09:24] <ulrichard> Ok, thanks. I will try it then...
 Has anyone tried UBports on any Huawei device?
 [Edit] Has anyone tried UBports on any Huawei device? … I want to try it on a Huawei P9
 @Ismail_ibn_Thomas_Al_Amreeki, It would have to be ported. Best to start by reading about the Halium project
 @Stereofont, Thanks @Stereofont
 @Stereofont, [Edit] Thanks
 This? https://halium.org/
 Yes, that
 Also, can I install and run Python 2/3 and Java on UBports phone?
 Mostly yes. (It isn't a desktop, so there are limitations you'll need to work within/around.)
[10:23] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> I have a channel about Nokia)
[10:23] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> (Photo, 600x559) https://irc.ubports.com/vY0LXHwM.png Это Nokia X (2018) … This is Nokia X (2018) … #Nokianews
 does it run ubuntu?
[10:24] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @rogieroudshoorn, Unfortennely, no
 @Павел Алексеев, You should stop promoting your channels. You've been banned in Sailfish group already
 So no lesson learned
 Also stop lying with your "Unofficial, but the most active channel on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch. …  News, facts, guide on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch"
[10:46] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @advocatux, what is the lie?
[10:47] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Unofficial channel, but the most active
 Yeah, most active in your town
 Anyway, no more OT here
 This is the most active channel. Period.
[10:49] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @advocatux, what active channels Pro Ubuntu still there is?
 I repeat, no more OT here, please
[10:49] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @advocatux, This is chat, not channel
 Can someone just ban this guy?
 +1
[10:51] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @alan_griffiths, Why? I have Ubuntu device, i love Ubuntu
 For spamming
[10:52] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @advocatux, Why you are evil?!
[10:53] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Ok, i deleted item about Nokia channel
 Good first step
 Second one can be to retire your insult
 and to apologize
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zyg9yqfP.webp
[10:56] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @advocatux, what insult did you see in my post?
 OK, no more OT, please
 or you'll be banned
[10:57] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> @advocatux, for what?
 @Павел Алексеев, Can you imagine what this channel would be like if 10% subscribers behaved in the unsocial way you do?
 @Павел Алексеев, [Edit] Can you imagine what this channel would be like if 10% of subscribers behaved in the unsocial way you do?
 New update for Signal is out! Thank you, Aaron Kimmig !
[12:02] <ubptgbot> vanyasem was added by: vanyasem
 Welcome @vanyasem! You can check out... Oh wait
 @IvanSemkin[m], i was there this whole time, just from Matrix
 oh and i lied about that "permanently" thing
 @amolith, what's the package name for the `pipes` thingie?
 @vanyasem, It's should be pipes. Let me check
 maybe bash-pipes
 @amolith, this, thanks
 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/bash-pipes/
 works in ZSH. misleading name
 I know. I use zsh
 Did anyone notice that we just passed 1500 people?
 I did
 well then.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yYptS0Rd.mp4
 Let me try this... HAPPY... no.  CONGRATU... no.  hmm.
 FIFTEEN HUNDRED!!! YIPPEEEE!  WHOOPEE!  SHIVER ME TIMBERS!  WE DID IT!  WE ARE HERE! WOWOWOWOWOW!  CAN IT BE?  WHAAAA??  MY MY MY!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/O4M02Co7.mp4
 well whatever. i tried.
 yay.!
 @UniversalSuperBox, That was decent man. Decent.
 Nice
 Vera vera nice
[14:02] <ubptgbot> Nathan Evans was added by: Nathan Evans
[14:03] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Evans> So, the supported device list shows the Nexus 5 being supported, would that mean the Nexus 5x is compatible?
 @Nathan Evans, Hi Nathan, don't forget to read http://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @Nathan Evans, Nope, different devices
 @Nathan Evans, No, the 5x is a different device. It is not ported
[14:05] <ubptgbot> <Nathan Evans> Bummer, understood.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/qUEkaxHf.webp
 Is http://push.ubuntu.com/ used in any way currently or is everything handle by https://push.ubports.com/ now?
 I'm asking because of this https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1176/push-notifications-with-my-appserver
 The Ubuntu push server was shut down
 I thought so but then it seems the examples here are wrong https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-push
 @advocatux, The code/docs haven't been updated. Only the config was changed to point to the new URL, afaik.
 Ah, thank you
 PRs welcome :)
 For improving docs
 👍
 Done the PR
[15:25] <ubptgbot> Kim_LTK was added by: Kim_LTK
[15:29] <ubptgbot> Hitch Oh was added by: Hitch Oh
[15:29] <ubptgbot> <Hitch Oh> Hey Guys!
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Hitch Oh> Having a minor issue using ubports on Mac OSx
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Hitch Oh> Trying to flash an old Oneplus One
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Hitch Oh> Phone is detected and put into bootloader, then it hangs on this..
 Hi @Kim_LTK & Hitch You can check out http://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <Hitch Oh> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/kAWnHiSi.png
 Thanks
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <Hitch Oh> Thanks @advocatux
 @Hitch Oh, Come to https://t.me/WelcomePlus to get help
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/IfhiFVTj.png
 Interesting... 🤔
 so you installed neofetch in rootfs i guess?
 In 45 minutes we will have a talk on ubuntu touch in german in Vienna, maybe with a livestream
 @nanu_c, link please
 https://metalab.at/wiki/Metaday_83
 Livestream confirmed
 But it will be in German xD I assume.
 Or the audience demands English
 well, "in german in Vienna" presumably means the language, since Vienna is still in Austria AFAIK :)
 Hi, is there a alternative to "LiveStream" that we can use on ubuntu touch, for example, the next month of events will take place in paris.
 Next cloud spreed??
 Or you mean something similar to twitch?
 The UBports QA is made using google 😹
 you mean the recording end being a phone with UT?
 Can be used on ubuntu touch
 Yes
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7e5uXko6s
 ??
 i don't think there is anything suitable on UT for that
 Yes I see, but that kind of service would be really useful to broadcast events. Can beings tell Framasoft...
 well, phones are not a good way to broadcast events like that, i think
 Ok, wait for a improvement in the software can beings ?
 Hey how to watch this talk?..
 Ah ok I have it sry
 @Sconio, it's not a software problem, really. just that phones aren't good devices for this
 Can these guys switch to English? Xdd
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 @wayneoutthere, Thx!
 @Flohack, deutsch ist doch prima nur hab ich das meiste leider verpasst...
 @Cédric, I miss all but I'm enjoying the slides :)
 @Pietia, nein :)
 i want a librem 5 phone with ubuntu touch
 I want a librem 5 with gentoo
 That'd be a memephone
 just install debian/hurd on it
 @dohbee, Is that hurd port still around?
 how would i know
 Wondering if it works outside a VM, never seen that
 How old is UT's glibc?
 @K31j0, pessimist
 ask how new it is
 @K31j0, while you wait for Librem, check Gentoo/bionic :)
 @NotKit, You mean gentoo prefixes for android?
 @vanyasem, Then how new it is
 Sailfish has veeery old glibc
 probably not to break compatibility with hybris
 my ut phone is uncharged, can't really help you
 kay
 @K31j0, nah, updaing glibc doesn't break hybris much (it works on Arch/Debian testing)
 @K31j0 https://elinux.org/images/2/25/2013_elc_gentoo_bionic.pdf
 @NotKit, Kay, then jolla is just lazy
 it will break support for devices with older kernel though, such as Droid 4
 So anything that is built with google's gcc older than 4.9 is a no-go, I guess
 anything with kernel older than 3.2 actually
 Our EOL kernels aren't the best thing in the world too :P
 the glibc in UT is not updated from whatever is in the same upstream ubuntu version
 so whatever was in 15.04 is what's in the stable image, and whatever's in 16.04 is in xenial, and so on
 @LennyPenny, nah
 wtf, was that like a month ago?
 @dohbee, October, 10th, 2017
 wow
 @samzn, Please don't do that again. Thank you
 Cross posted from ubports_surreal