[03:47] <squidly> I upgraded to 11.04 and I cant seem to get my RM200 Remote to work any more. When ever I start lirc I see this in dmesg "imon 3-6:1.0: Looks like you're trying to use an IR protocol this device does not support", and irw does not show any keypresses or anything.
[03:48] <squidly> any idea where to look to fix this?
[03:50] <squidly> My case is a Antec Fustion Black with the LCD screen
[16:23] <qwebirc8636> superm1: After having to manually install equivs and quilt and then a whole bunch of dev packages manually I'm stuck again with the following errors
[16:23] <qwebirc8636> http://pastebin.com/fXR9YJPi
[16:23] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XS - Pastebin.com
[16:24] <superm1> qwebirc8636: that sounds like a side effect of using that alternate tool
[16:24] <superm1> delete that file that was created
[16:25] <qwebirc8636> delete and then run the script again?
[16:27] <superm1> yeah
[16:27] <superm1> hopefully that should take care of it
[16:36] <qwebirc8636> superm1: same error...I tried removing the mythtv_0.24.0+fixes file and the mythtv-build-deps file
[16:37] <superm1> it's probably getting generated again from the mk-build-deps call
[16:37] <superm1> since you have all build deps now, try commenting it out
[16:37] <qwebirc8636> ok
[16:38] <qwebirc8636> so which file am I removing?
[16:39] <superm1> any that it complains about
[16:45] <qwebirc8636> I removed the mythtv-build-deps one and it seems to be compiling now
[16:49] <qwebirc8636> with the line commented out of the build-debs.sh script
[20:37] <qwebirc8636> superm1: Finally got debs to build with --enable-crystalhd in the rules file and got them installed.  When I run mythfrontend --version I don't see crystalhd in the "Options compiled in" section.
[20:37] <qwebirc8636> I did see the option go by during the compile though
[20:38] <superm1> qwebirc8636: hmm that's weird then
[20:38] <superm1> maybe is it one of those situations it's only going to show the support if you have the crystal HD DKMS modules loaded up too?
[20:39] <qwebirc8636> I was expecting to see using_crystalhd....I'm not exactly sure how setup is supposed to work in the frontend but under playback profiles I don't see anything new
[20:39] <qwebirc8636> lsmod shows me that crystalhd is loaded
[20:41] <superm1> looks like not too much documentation on the wiki yet either http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Broadcom_Crystal_HD
[20:41] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Broadcom Crystal HD - MythTV Official Wiki
[20:42] <superm1> http://www.mythtvtalk.com/broadcom-crystal-hd-14732/ says "When you go to your mythtv-frontend setup go to settings -> tv settings -> playback and set the decoder to be the crystalhd. play and watch full 1080p HD with only 9% CPU resources!"
[20:42] <Zinn> [www.mythtvtalk.com] N/A
[20:43] <qwebirc8636> I don't have that option under the decoder....I know the card is working though because it works fine in xbmc
[20:44] <qwebirc8636> Under decoder I have libmpeg2, Standard and NVidia VDPAU acceleration...I was hoping to see crystalhd there :)
[20:45] <superm1> hmm well color me perplexed, not sure what to make of it then
[20:45] <superm1> you sure you got all the right debs installed and it's not using any from the repos still?
[20:47] <qwebirc8636> I'll check....they show up as dirty I think
[20:49] <qwebirc8636> Version shows as 0.24.0+fixes.20111201.c4ee599-0ubuntu2 on them all when I do a dpkg -s
[20:49] <superm1> yeah so then definitely the same one you just built
[20:51] <qwebirc8636> If I had missed the bzm commit -m line it would have reverted the rules file when I ran the build-deps.sh script right?
[21:11] <superm1> qwebirc8636: yes that's correct
[21:12] <superm1> you can go into the work directory and see what it looks like to determine definitively
[21:12] <qwebirc8636> superm1: I think I found my problem...the mythtv/configure file checks to see if the libraries are installed and if not disables crystalhd support....I compiled on a box that doesn't have the card in it because it's much faster...looks like I just need to install the crystalhd libs
[21:13] <superm1> oh i see
[21:13] <superm1> you probably need the -dev package really
[21:14] <qwebirc8636> I think it's compiled from source if I remember correctly
[21:15] <superm1> well you can try fetching the precise packages
[21:15] <superm1> they might run
[21:15] <superm1> those are what i'm going to try to backport when i get around to it
[21:16] <qwebirc8636> I think that was the problem...I couldn't find them
[21:19] <superm1> qwebirc8636: i think here http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crystalhd
[21:19] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] âcrystalhdâ package : Ubuntu
[21:21] <qwebirc8636> Is that only for precise?...I used this on my test box http://git.wilsonet.com/crystalhd.git/
[21:21] <Zinn> [git.wilsonet.com] git.wilsonet.com - crystalhd.git/summary
[21:23] <superm1> i'm not sure the binaries will run on earlier versions
[21:23] <superm1> it's possible they will, but it might need a recompile (hence the need for a backport)
[21:24] <superm1> i'll try with just s/unstable/$RELEASE/ when i upload them to the PPA.  if that works, then it will be a really easy backport
[21:25] <qwebirc8636> cool....I just compiled and installed the libs from that git link....I'll see if the build changes


[11:05] <HeXiOn> I have frecuently freezes on dapper... it's because the SATA module (crashes when using archives on SATA drive). What can I do? How can I compile more up-to-dated SATA modules to probe it???? I use sata_uli module. PLEASE HELP! :(
[11:05] <sethk> aalex, can't see how the gentoo image will help you.
[11:05] <Mr_Awesome> fyrestrtr: thank you
[11:06] <sethk> HeXiOn, you can download the latest kernel from kernel.org.  Odds of it fixing the problem are low, but not zero.
[11:06] <nownott> fyrestrtr: is there a way to have different resolution on different workspaces
[11:06] <fyrestrtr> nownott: no.
[11:06] <HeXiOn> sethk, I have compiled 2.17 many times but I have no wireless and no sata
[11:06] <fyrestrtr> HeXiOn: must not be compiling it with the right modules. Are you following the wiki when compiling?
[11:06] <sethk> HeXiOn, I'm not sure what you mean.  you mean you didn't turn them on in the kernel configuration?
[11:07] <nownott> fyrestrtr: 1024x768 works perfect 1280x1024 gives me problems but both work in windows
[11:07] <sethk> nownott, likely the vertical frequency is off.  if it's an lcd set the vertical to 60hz for the 1280x1024
[11:07] <rev11> ugh
[11:07] <fyrestrtr> nownott: hrmm ... I don't know what to tell you, could just be incomplete driver support for your chipset, or that your monitor isn't configured correctly.
[11:07] <rev11> where can i get the olod versions
[11:07] <HeXiOn> sethk: I mean I don't know how to get work my wireless and my SATA when compiling myself the kernel.. I just did it 2 times following a how-to
[11:08] <rev11> ill try that breezy for the time being
[11:08] <sethk> HeXiOn, are you starting with   make xconfig
[11:08] <fyrestrtr> rev11: that won't help.
[11:08] <HeXiOn> fyrestrtr: I follow how-to's in ubuntuforums
[11:08] <rev11> why not
[11:08] <HeXiOn> sethk: yes, I do
[11:08] <rev11> apparantly this xorg is a problem
[11:08] <HeXiOn> sethk: but don't know many options
[11:08] <fyrestrtr> because your problem is not with xorg, its with your configuration of it.
[11:08] <sethk> HeXiOn, do you know what your SATA chipset is?
[11:08] <HeXiOn> sethk: sata_uli
[11:08] <fyrestrtr> rev11: just answer a question, what irc client are you using? irssi?
[11:08] <rev11> mirc
[11:08] <chaosphilipp> has anyone got a little bit of time for me, might be helpful to deal it in a private chat
[11:09] <sethk> HeXiOn, that's a kernel module name, not a chipset
[11:09] <rev11> and like i said its not this comp
[11:09] <fyrestrtr> you are on Windows?
[11:09] <nownott> i have the option in xorg.conf horizsync and vertrefresh
[11:09] <shut-> i need a 32bit java where can i get this?
[11:09] <HeXiOn> sethk: sorry.. 1 moment and I tell you
[11:09] <sethk> HeXiOn, use lspci, find the SATA chipset
[11:09] <rev11> yes, im installing ubuntu on onther comp
[11:09] <fyrestrtr> rev11: how are you running commands on the other machine? Via a shell?
[11:09] <fyrestrtr> rev11: is the network working on that machine?
[11:09] <HeXiOn> sethk: ULI M1689
[11:09] <rev11> yea
[11:09] <JJzD> chaosphilipp: don't know if i can help but i can try.....
[11:09] <chuckyp> One more question for you all.  Wondering how to change the number of shells started on boot?
[11:09] <rev11> works fine
[11:09] <rev11> like i can apt get and stuff apparantloy
[11:09] <rev11> so
[11:09] <HeXiOn> sethk: mobo is an ASROCK 939A8X-M
[11:10] <rev11> if there is a way to upload
[11:10] <nownott> sethk: i have the option in xorg.conf horizsync and vertrefresh
[11:10] <sethk> nownott, use the middle difficulty option where you specify something X something @ something (say 1280x1024@60hz), _not_ the option where you enter frequencies
[11:10] <rev11> im all for it
[11:10] <fyrestrtr> rev11: install openssh-server -- then install putty on your Windows box, then login via putty, and then copy and paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log to the pastebin site.
[11:10] <fyrestrtr> rev11: in putty, to copy something you just highlight it with your mouse.
[11:10] <HeXiOn> sethk: lsmod | grep ata
[11:10] <HeXiOn> sata_uli                7940  7
[11:10] <HeXiOn> libata                 84176  1 sata_uli
[11:10] <HeXiOn> scsi_mod              145736  3 sg,sd_mod,libata
[11:10] <sethk> HeXiOn, ok.  did you find that chipset referenced in the sata driver in the kernel config?
[11:10] <Naik0> Please, how do i get my icons back on desktop?
[11:10] <rev11> ok, sounds like a plan
[11:10] <rev11> ill do that now
[11:10] <sethk> HeXiOn, you are just telling us the modules that don't work.
[11:10] <Naik0> Home and trash for example
[11:10] <HeXiOn> no, I didn't.. I'm newbie in compiling kernel
[11:11] <sethk> HeXiOn, that doesn't help. step one is to make sure that this driver is correct for this chipset
[11:11] <fyrestrtr> !kernel
[11:11] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:11] <sethk> HeXiOn, probaby it is, but step one is still to check
[11:11] <HeXiOn> sethk: I think it is... I am having kernel freezes many times a day... and always when using SATA
[11:11] <sethk> HeXiOn, what kernel version are you building?
[11:11] <rev11> im sorry, how would i do the ssh serv,
[11:11] <sethk> HeXiOn, the freezing kernel would suggest that it's wrong, not that it's right.
[11:11] <sethk> HeXiOn, what kernel version are you building?
[11:11] <fyrestrtr> rev11: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[11:12] <HeXiOn> sethk: I tried <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:12] <HeXiOn> sethk: now I have 2.6.15-26-k7
[11:12] <rahsputin> hi
[11:12] <fyrestrtr> rev11: it starts up by itself, then from your Windows box, when you get putty -- give it the IP address of your linux box as the server address.
[11:12] <sethk> HeXiOn, not going to find a newer one than that.  Are there any messages in the log files after you experience the freeze?
[11:12] <rev11> k
[11:12] <rahsputin> does anybody know a way to convert .swf to .avi
[11:12] <Ayabara> I have an external western digital drive that has a 'smart power' feature. it shuts down when I shut down the computer or ejects it in windows. In ubuntu I can eject the disk, but it doesn't turn off when I do
[11:12] <matthewf> ok so i still cant get X working right
[11:12] <HeXiOn> sethk: I tried to find messages but no luck...
[11:12] <shut-> where can i get a 32bit java install?
[11:13] <HeXiOn> sethk: supposely it's in /var/logs/kernel, isn't it?
[11:13] <sethk> HeXiOn, I have seen this problem, although with a different chipset
[11:13] <sethk> HeXiOn, no
[11:13] <fyrestrtr> shut-: read the wiki?
[11:13] <chaosphilipp> JJzD: did you get my messages?
[11:13] <sethk> HeXiOn, /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog are the two most likely
[11:13] <djm62> could anyone help me with troubleshooting cd burning on my new acer laptop?  I want to waste as few CDs as possible
[11:13] <matthewf> and i am realy close to throwing in the towel as far as Ubtunu is concerned
[11:13] <rev11> ok now, is there a command to get the ip
[11:13] <HeXiOn> sethk: I'm seeing it... I have to read last lines, don't I?
[11:13] <rev11> local
[11:13] <sethk> HeXiOn, do    ls -ltr /var/log      which will print the names of files in /var/log in reverse time order.  the newest file is the one that may have messages)
[11:13] <fyrestrtr> rev11: ifconfig -a
[11:13] <sethk> HeXiOn, yes
[11:14] <tave11> how can I prevent pan newsreader from hanging after downloading a lot of headers?
[11:14] <lotusleaf> tave11: you sure it isn't sorting them?
[11:14] <sethk> HeXiOn, it's a hard freeze, you can't use the keyboard, the caps light doesn't turn on and off, and you can't ssh into the machine from your network?
[11:14] <HeXiOn> sethk: syslog, messages, or kern.log?
[11:14] <fyrestrtr> tave11: [a]  reduce the number of headers downloaded at once [b]  check disk space [c]  check ram [d]  disable sorting
[11:14] <djm62> matthewf: have you tried putting a question up on the forums?  the odds are better of it being seen by someone who knows what to do for your particular problem
[11:14] <HeXiOn> sethk: that's exactly... I can't even manage keyboard leds
[11:15] <rev11> ok it says login as
[11:15] <tave11> wow your quick I'll check on sorting brb
[11:15] <sethk> HeXiOn, whichever one most recently changed.  When the system freezes, the only place where you may get lucky and find a message is in the most recently changed log file
[11:15] <fyrestrtr> rev11: type your username
[11:15] <rev11> well
[11:15] <rev11> i dont have one yet
[11:15] <sethk> HeXiOn, and you can't ping it from your network?  that is, you have a set up where you can try that?
[11:15] <matthewf> djm62: yes i have, and ive seen a fair few other people haveing the same problem, but nonone has any answers
[11:15] <Flannel> rev11: youdon't have a useaccount on the box yet?
[11:15] <fyrestrtr> what do you mean? What login name do you use at the ubuntu box?
[11:15] <rev11> its a fresh install.
[11:15] <HeXiOn> seth: I can't use the system in any way.. just reboot manually
[11:15] <HeXiOn> sethK: I can't use the system in any way.. just reboot manually
[11:16] <Flannel> rev11: didn't you make a user during the install process?
[11:16] <sethk> djm62, try the cdwrite mailing list archives
[11:16] <fyrestrtr> rev11: you must have a login name, you can't use the system without one, and you can't finish the install without one.
[11:16] <fyrestrtr> rev11: type 'whoami' and find out what you username is.
[11:16] <djm62> sethk: is that an ubuntu one?
[11:16] <rev11> its just ubuntu
[11:16] <sethk> HeXiOn, yes, I understand.  I'm asking whether there is a network, and you try to ping it, and the ping fails, or, you don't have another machine on the same network and so you don't know what would happen if you were to ping it.
[11:16] <rev11> as the nam
[11:16] <rev11> let me try that
[11:16] <HeXiOn> sethk: how can I search interesting lines in /var/log/syslog ?
[11:17] <sethk> djm62, linux in general, in fact, unix in general, but there is nothing ubuntu specific about cd burning
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> are ... you ... on ... the ... live ... cd?!
[11:17] <rev11> !! i said that bfore im installing a fresh copy from the cd!
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i said that bfore im installing a fresh copy from the cd! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <sethk> HeXiOn, bring up the file in a text editor, go to the end, and look at the most recent messages
[11:17] <HeXiOn> sethk: I don't have any other machines.. can't ping when this is freezed
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> rev11: you haven't finished installing yet?
[11:17] <matthewf> X is seriously broken for me under ubuntu and as it stands there is no soloution to the problem
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> matthewf: file a bug.
[11:17] <sethk> HeXiOn, ok.  that would be a good data point, but if we don't know, then we don't know.
[11:17] <ckrueger> anyone here using edgy?
[11:18] <tave11> alright here comes the dumb question.... is there an actually check box to disable sorting?
[11:18] <ckrueger> because out-of-the-box, gnome-terminal is totally borked
[11:18] <Flannel> ckrueger: #ubuntu+1 has people using edgy
[11:18] <fyrestrtr> ckrueger: no, but plenty of folks in #ubuntu+1 do.
[11:18] <ckrueger> sounds good, thanks
[11:18] <rev11> noooo, thats the problem when it finishes mounting and all the auto stuff, it gives me the xserver xorg error
[11:18] <HeXiOn> sethk: I only see lines of current boot... such as fglrx initialization and so
[11:18] <djm62> sethk: I know that CD burning isn't distro specific, OTOH I'd like a fix that works on ubuntu and is preserved through updates etc, and preferably one which works ootb for someone installing the next release on ubuntu on this laptop
[11:18] <sethk> HeXiOn, try going into your BIOS (when you boot the machine).   Are you saying that the problem is during installation?
[11:18] <tizwonder> ahhh ubuntu has become easier to install than windows, what has happened to *nix!!!
[11:18] <sethk> HeXiOn, that will change the order in which IRQs are assigned, which sometimes helps this sort of situation.
[11:18] <rev11> yessss
[11:18] <rev11> :(
[11:19] <fyrestrtr> oh my .........
[11:19] <rev11> theres so much goin on in this chat
[11:19] <rev11> hah
[11:19] <rev11> its real confsing
[11:19] <sethk> HeXiOn, unfortunately we don't have a lot of data so the best we can do is try things and hope we change the behavior and get a clue.
[11:19] <matthewf> JoseStefan: ive tryed rinstalling the whole distro.. amongst other things
[11:19] <HeXiOn> sethk: the fact is I only have this problem since dapper... I don't think it's bios setting.. but I can try
[11:19] <aburton> so I'm trying to get audio for my msi k8n neo4 platinum working
[11:19] <fyrestrtr> okay -- that's it, I gotta to go to bed ... waaayyy past my bed time.
[11:19] <aburton> it's onboard 7.1 audio
[11:19] <rev11> hah
[11:19] <sethk> HeXiOn, I'm not saying the bios setting is wrong
[11:19] <npster> Hello!
[11:19] <rev11> thanks for the help anyway
[11:19] <fyrestrtr> @time Asia/Kuwait
[11:19] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Kuwait: September 03 2006, 00:19:47
[11:19] <aburton> check this out- it's my loaded modules
[11:19] <aburton> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22361
[11:19] <fyrestrtr> yeah, waaay past my bedtime.
[11:19] <rev11> so thers nothing i can do?
[11:19] <sethk> HeXiOn, neither setting is wrong.  It changes the order in which IRQs are assigned, which may change the behavior and give us a clue.
[11:20] <tave11> alright here comes the dumb question.... is there an actually check box to disable sorting in pan?
[11:20] <fyrestrtr> rev11: yes, there is plenty more you can do. I thought you had an installed system.
[11:20] <sethk> HeXiOn, however, the answer is obvious.  Do what I am doing, run breezy
[11:20] <rev11> shucks.
[11:20] <HeXiOn> sethk: I think a good idea is trying to compile a new kernel with SATA support, but I don't know how to
[11:20] <ACU> greetings and questions! What other applications for Net (Web) meeting are out there for linux except Gnome Meeting?
[11:20] <fyrestrtr> rev11: someone else will help you out. Make you you tell them the problem is during installation.
[11:20] <npster> Is there something as a Voice Reconditioning in Ubuntu ?
[11:20] <factotum> im still trying to figure out why pan need mozilla to be installed as a dep
[11:20] <rev11> ok thanks for the help bro.
[11:20] <chuckyp> Anyone know how to change the number of text terminals started on boot?
[11:20] <sethk> HeXiOn, you don't know where the SATA drivers are selected in   make xconfig    you mean?
[11:20] <HeXiOn> sethk: yes
[11:20] <djm62> npster: what is a Voice Reconditioning?
[11:20] <sethk> HeXiOn, I'll look
[11:21] <sethk> djm62, that's what Michael Jackson does to try and sound human
[11:21] <nownott> sethk: ive been looking on how to do that but im confused w/ the 1280x1024@60, dont know how to put that in xorg.conf
[11:21] <npster> djm62: It is a way when you speak to the system and it recognises your voice and responds to it
[11:21] <boricua> !skype
[11:21] <HeXiOn> sethk: first of all... thanks a lot for your support :) I'm having this problem many weeks and nobody helped me till now :)
[11:21] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:22] <aburton> !alsa
[11:22] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:22] <sethk> nownott, run dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg.  don't try to edit xorg.conf
[11:22] <JJzD> chaosphilipp: sorry, i missed your message because privates are blocked here
[11:22] <axisys> !gizmoproject
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gizmoproject - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <sethk> HeXiOn, It's in SCSI device support/SCSI low-level drivers
[11:22] <kyle_> nick iiii_
[11:22] <rev11> alright. can anyone help me. im trying to install a fresh copy of ubuntu 6.06 off the CD, and after it loads and such i get the xorg xserver error that is on the site. please help me
[11:23] <sethk> rev11, on what site?  you pasted it?
[11:23] <axisys> rev11: try to run dpkg-reconfigure xerserver-xorg
[11:23] <djm62> npster: looks not hopeful
[11:23] <rev11> no, that errior thats on the main ubuntu site. its not even installed yet
[11:23] <HeXiOn> sethk: and to make my wireless work without ndiswrapper? I think I have to patch kernel or so... do you know how?
[11:23] <rev11> tried that already
[11:23] <rev11> doesnt work
[11:23] <ryanakca> does anyone have a link to a page with linux wireless drivers? (no, I'm not looking to install threw apt)
[11:23] <sethk> HeXiOn, no, I don't have much experience with ndiswrapper.  I do with sata, but not with ndis, sorry
[11:23] <djm62> npster: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/voice-recognition
[11:24] <npster> djm62: I found one on source fordge
[11:24] <sethk> rev11, "doesn't work" isn't helpful.  what happens
[11:24] <chaosphilipp> JJzD: have you got ICQ?
[11:24] <axisys> rev11: what error message u get?
[11:24] <HeXiOn> sethk: I reffer on compiling kernel with wireless support
[11:24] <rev11> its loadin up now, 1 sec
[11:24] <sethk> HeXiOn, I can tell you where to turn on wireless ethernet, if that's what you mean?
[11:24] <HeXiOn> sethk: I don't know if this can't be done without restricted-drivers package
[11:24] <Byan> how do I change a folder, so everyone has full rights to it?
[11:24] <HeXiOn> sethk: yes :)
[11:24] <djm62> npster: if you need it to rely on, it looks not good.  If you want to mess about with speech recognition, there's plenty
[11:25] <sethk> HeXiOn, restricted drivers is irrelevant when using a kernel from kernel.org
[11:25] <chaosphilipp> NthDegree: are you still there?
[11:25] <boricua> is there a skype or ekiga tutorial in ubuntu?
[11:25] <NthDegree> yeah
[11:25] <HeXiOn> sethk: I think my module is acs
[11:25] <chaosphilipp> did YOU get my messages?
[11:25] <HeXiOn> sethk: acx I meant
[11:25] <NthDegree> sorry was looking the in another channel
[11:25] <NthDegree> no
[11:25] <sethk> HeXiOn, wireless ethernet is in:   Device Drivers/Network device support/Wireless LAN (non-hamradio)
[11:25] <NthDegree> for some reason i didn't
[11:26] <chaosphilipp> hmmmm....have you got icq or aim?
[11:26] <npster> I got perlbox-voice
[11:26] <tave11> alright here comes the dumb question.... is there an actually check box to disable sorting in pan?
[11:26] <sethk> npster, I hope it isn't contagious
[11:26] <rev11> Failed to start the X server, not set up blah blah. hit ok then says things and then command prompt
[11:26] <NthDegree> chaosphilipp, not yet but i can register for an account if you like :)
[11:26] <rev11> no screens found
[11:26] <rev11> apparantly
[11:26] <sethk> rev11, no, what is the error when you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:27] <chaosphilipp> that'd be great........pondering about another possibility
[11:27] <HeXiOn> sethk: Ok, and I think I have to go that menu with xconfig and find my "module" name... don't I? Or I have to enable all options? (I know this is a very newbie answer but I have many doubts :)  )
[11:27] <ryanakca> does anyone have a link to a page with linux wireless drivers? (no, I'm not looking to install threw apt)
[11:27] <sethk> HeXiOn, there is a default set of enabled options.  You go through the configuration and turn on those you need that aren't on by default
[11:28] <NthDegree> chaosphilipp, i'll grab an AIM account quickly
[11:28] <sethk> HeXiOn, if I understood your question correctly
[11:28] <rev11> xserver-xorg postinst warning:overwriting possibly custom config  file; backup in blah blah
[11:28] <rev11> then command line
[11:28] <chaosphilipp> OK
[11:28] <kaymann> I was not able to run the Live-CD for Ubuntu Edgy Eft Knot 2. I got an error pertaining to MM something BIOS. Is this known? I have a Toshiba U205 laptop.
[11:28] <sethk> rev11, that's not an error
[11:28] <rev11> alright then
[11:28] <rev11> now
[11:28] <rev11> where from here
[11:29] <HeXiOn> sethk: yes, I know... I compiled the kernel 2 times already.. what I mean is that, to enable my sata (in example), I have to go where you told me.. and then? search for my module name (in example, some text talking about uli), or what do I have to do?
[11:29] <sethk> rev11, you go completely through the entire procedure, it identifies your graphics card and monitor, and completes?
[11:29] <JoseStefan> kaymann, #ubuntu+1 is for edgy
[11:29] <kaymann> Oh I'm sorry.
[11:29] <rev11> it stops at the color selection when i hit ok on the option
[11:29] <kaymann> Is this for Dapper?
[11:29] <rev11> and then command line
[11:29] <HeXiOn> sethk: sorry if you can't understand me, my english isn't perfect at all :)
[11:29] <sethk> HeXiOn, you are thinking backwards.  You find your hardware and enable it.  The module name is usually in the help section, but it isn't what you should be looking at/for
[11:29] <JoseStefan> kaymann, #ubuntu is for stable releases
[11:29] <nownott> sethk: thanks the resolution i should of been using was found it was 1400x1050 or 1280.960
[11:30] <HeXiOn> sethk: that's what I want to know... what exactly do I have to look at... "ali" text? "sata" text?
[11:30] <bluefusionxl> Hi!  How do I start Ubuntu in command mode at boot?
[11:30] <kaymann> Ah, ok, thank you. Is it difficult to get Suspend to work on my laptop? I have Ubuntu 6.06, but I cannot revive from suspend. Only hibernate works.
[11:30] <ormandj> hi, i've got a linux software raid (raid 5 w/ xfs filesystem on 5 250gib drives) and my OS drive just died, i need to reinstall ubuntu. will i need to do anything special to preserve the raid or will it automatically be detected/setup?
[11:30] <bluefusionxl> I am turning that PC into a server so I do not want the display manager consuming my resources
[11:30] <HeXiOn> sethk: my chipset code?
[11:31] <rev11> i mean i dont know if its suppoosed to pass the color selection, or am i supposed to tyhpe something at the command line after it
[11:31] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, you should could edit your init scripts
[11:31] <bluefusionxl> which ones and what lines?
[11:31] <natrixgli> can someone take a look at this log? my server keeps dying... ;) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22300
[11:31] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, the display manager doesnt consume that much when not in use
[11:32] <bluefusionxl> i know but it is a risk of locking up
[11:32] <rev11> did ya give up n me seth
[11:32] <rev11> :P
[11:32] <rev11> hah
[11:32] <illusia-ru> how do i format unnalocated space into reiserfs and mount as SWAP?
[11:32] <bluefusionxl> is there not like a command call i can use to disable it?
[11:32] <NthDegree> chaosphilipp, almost registered
[11:33] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, you'll want to stop gdm from starting by editing your init scripts
[11:33] <axisys> rev11: u could just hit OK to take all default
[11:33] <bluefusionxl> where are the init scripts?
[11:33] <NthDegree> chaosphilipp, add NthDegreeM
[11:33] <chaosphilipp> kk
[11:33] <illusia-ru> how do i format unnalocated space into reiserfs and mount as SWAP????
[11:33] <jihi> hi
[11:33] <axisys> bluefusionxl: /etc/init.d
[11:34] <axisys> bluefusionxl: ls -al /etc/init.d
[11:34] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, you format as SWAP and mount as SWAP
[11:34] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, you'll want the symblic links in /etc/rc2.d/
[11:34] <jihi> i have installed xubuntu-desktop for testing, and now i want to uninstall all components, but how ?
[11:34] <tuxtux> notte
[11:34] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, mkswapfs /dev/foo  <----- example
[11:34] <illusia-ru> NthDegree how can i do it?Fdisk os you know some better command?
[11:35] <illusia-ru> NthDegree thx
[11:35] <rev11> so how do i start the ubuntu setup again from command after i ran the xserver-xorg config
[11:35] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, you have to rename the symbilic link for GDM, there is a "standard" for that
[11:36] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, man update-rc.d
[11:37] <brian98> Do you have the windows drivers for the wireless card?
[11:37] <brian98> I am very lagged :(
[11:37] <aburton> sound help? please? I'm so lost
[11:37] <shoeunited> Hi. :)
[11:37] <gubuntu> can someone hlep me? my ubuntu live cd installer wont resize my windows partition. :(
[11:38] <rev11> so how do i start the ubuntu setup again from command after i ran the xserver-xorg config, does anyone know?
[11:38] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, ok i got it, you need to rename all gdm instances in /etc/rc?.d/ from S to K
[11:39] <axisys> rev11: /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:39] <ShoeUnited> When I try to run WoW, it restarts X I have an nVidia GeForce4 MX 4000
[11:39] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, removing them is a mistake as an update will just add them again, renaming also allows you to undo the chages
[11:39] <axisys> aburton: did u follow the alsa link?
[11:39] <ShoeUnited> I think I set something wrong in the video drivers.
[11:40] <rev11> hey look, it failed, what do you know
[11:40] <Jamminpotato> there is a program i have in ubuntu called volume control, but i can't figure out its package name to run it from the terminal, how can i find out waht it is
[11:40] <rev11> what the hell am i supposed to do about that
[11:40] <MAXDDARK> hello just - first time here
[11:40] <axisys> post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in pastebin
[11:41] <Ayabara> is there a desktop search tool available for linux? like google desktop search?
[11:41] <brian98> Ok, I am now a wireless networking in ubuntu expert ;)
[11:41] <rev11> im running the intall on a seperate computer.
[11:41] <brian98> hahaha
[11:41] <brian98> Now
[11:41] <axisys> Ayabara: u r using ubuntu?
[11:41] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, got all that?
[11:41] <brian98> I asked earlier
[11:41] <aburton> axisys: you mean !alsa?
[11:41] <Ayabara> axisys: yes
[11:41] <NthDegree> Ayabara, try using Places > Search For Files
[11:41] <aburton> !alsa
[11:41] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:41] <axisys> Ayabara: u should have a search applet on the top
[11:41] <rev11> does ubuntu always suck
[11:42] <ShoeUnited> !nvidia
[11:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:42] <tizwonder> lol
[11:42] <axisys> aburton: yes
[11:42] <gubuntu> What would be my next step to take if ubuntu wont resize my windows partition to install?
[11:42] <aburton> axisys: yes
[11:42] <NthDegree> gubuntu, use a partitioner like partition magic
[11:42] <axisys> aburton: u get no sound after u follow that?
[11:42] <gubuntu> nthdegree, under windows?
[11:42] <tizwonder> does anyone here know any good system monitors that will display on gnome gui in the background?
[11:42] <aburton> axisys: I'm not sure I follow it
[11:42] <NthDegree> NOTE: partition magic is sold for money it is NON FREE as in YOU PAY FOR IT :(
[11:42] <aburton> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106
[11:43] <aburton> I have soundcore installed
[11:43] <aburton> so I'm not sure which steps I can skip
[11:43] <NthDegree> gubuntu, it's a CD you can either boot it or install the software into windows yes
[11:43] <Ayabara> axisys: added it now. what I wondered about though, was an app that indexes web history, mail and files like googled desktop does. not sure I need it, but was just wondering :-)
[11:43] <axisys> aburton: do u have a volume icon on top left?
[11:43] <gubuntu> nthdegree, ty
[11:43] <kozmic> when you set a wallpaper in firefox, the image is saved to your home catalog. can this be awoided?
[11:43] <NthDegree> gubuntu, in your case you'd need to boot the partition magic CD
[11:43] <aburton> axisys: yes
[11:43] <axisys> Ayabara: u could install beagle
[11:43] <illusia-ru> fdisk don`t show unnalocated space in my HDD and i don`t know which /dev/hda* i need.How can i find it?
[11:44] <illusia-ru> NthDegree can you help me?
[11:44] <axisys> aburton: right click and go to pref
[11:44] <rev11> where can i get the older version of ubuntu
[11:44] <nickv111> Has anyone here gotten the ATi Radeon Xpress 1100 working with DRI?
[11:44] <aburton> I'm there
[11:44] <axisys> aburton: what device it shows?
[11:44] <Ayabara> axisys: thanks. it's a summer of code project I see :-)
[11:44] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, try installing gparted
[11:44] <minerale> where does GDM keep it's session info files?
[11:45] <NthDegree> that is graphical and should be more help
[11:45] <aburton> axisys: NVidia CK804
[11:45] <illusia-ru> NthDegree but how without gParted?
[11:45] <axisys> Ayabara: its pretty good.. ubuntu wiki has steps on how to install beagle
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> hmm
[11:45] <axisys> Ayabara: i think
[11:45] <psusi> fdisk shows how big the drive is, and what space is allocated, so you should be able to see how much is left... but yea, gparted is easier
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> I did the  /etc/init.d/gdm stop command
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> and when i restarted
[11:45] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, try running parted
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> it was there again
[11:45] <axisys> aburton: do u have anything else
[11:45] <aburton> axisys: but I was pretty sure the onboard sound was soundblaster live 7.1
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> and it never closed
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> when i did it from shell
[11:45] <NthDegree> that will give you an easier time seeing what one you want to format
[11:45] <bluefusionxl> on putty
[11:46] <sris> Hey again, i'm having almost the exact same problem described here, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/10661 , but i can still boot windows if i change that drive to the primary boot device in BIOS. anyone familiar with this problem?
[11:46] <sris> And, i've got windows and ubuntu on seperate drives
[11:46] <bluefusionxl> ok, how do I disable gnome from starting up on boot
[11:47] <bluefusionxl> i want to boot into bash shell
[11:47] <aburton> axisys: realtek 850 rev 0 OSS
[11:47] <axisys> aburton: pick n try
[11:47] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, you need to rename all gdm instances in /etc/rc?.d/ from S to K
[11:47] <kaymann> Is there any way I can get suspend to work on my Toshiba U205?
[11:47] <axisys> aburton: one of them will probably the right one.. the working one
[11:47] <NthDegree> bluefusionxl, try renaming /etc/init.d/gdm
[11:47] <illusia-ru> NthDegree parted show same as fdisk :(
[11:47] <aburton> axisys: I get sound
[11:48] <NthDegree> bluefusionxl, try mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gdm.disabled
[11:48] <aburton> axisys: but only from one port on my motherboard
[11:48] <NthDegree> then restart the PC and see
[11:48] <axisys> bluefusionxl: u can go to system -> administration -> services and disable there
[11:48] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, dont rename anything on /etc/init.d/ that can break updates
[11:48] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, install gparted and resize a partition if you have problems
[11:48] <yango> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/sda1/
[11:48] <yango> mount: only root can do that
[11:48] <yango> why?
[11:48] <bluefusionxl> Jose what do you suppose I do
[11:48] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, use the symbolic links in /etc/rc?d/ instead
[11:49] <illusia-ru> yango put sudo before
[11:49] <sethk> yango, that's the way all operating systems behave
[11:49] <psusi> yango, because only root can mount new filesystems
[11:49] <bluefusionxl> what do I need to type?
[11:49] <yango> and how do KDE/Gnome do it if they don't ask me for a passwd?
[11:49] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, you need to rename all "gdm" instances in /etc/rc?.d/ from S to K
[11:49] <aburton> axisys:  I have settings for Surround Jack Mode, IEC 958 and Mono Output Select
[11:49] <yango> psusi: then KDE/Gnome use setuid root programs to do it?
[11:49] <illusia-ru> NthDegree ok,but is not the right way :(
[11:49] <psusi> yango, yea
[11:49] <sethk> yango, the mounting program runs with root privileges
[11:49] <phiber_optic> was gtk-gnutella on dapper erased??
[11:49] <axisys> aburton: u can double left click the volume icon and then file -> change device
[11:50] <axisys> see which one gives u better sound
[11:50] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, gparted can do the same as fdisk but makes life easy
[11:50] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, example: /etc/rc2.d/S13gd --> /etc/rc2.d/K13gd
[11:50] <JoseStefan> gdm*
[11:50] <sethk> NthDegree, to me it makes life hard.  I guess it depends on what you are used to.
[11:50] <mary> I just installed ubuntu 6.06 and then used automatix to get dvd playback (explained on lifehacker hints) but when I tested it with shreck2 the playback is oversaturated (it is using totem)
[11:51] <phiber_optic> what other program to download stuff is good apart from frostwire
[11:51] <illusia-ru> NthDegree i know about gparted,but maybe i just can`t understand fdisk or parted :(
[11:51] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, basicly "cd" into each of the rc?.d directories, and "ls *gdm*", then rename the files so they start with a K instead of S
[11:51] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, the gdm files
[11:51] <bronze> towersoft: whats the issue?
[11:51] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, fdisk only allows you to add and delete partitions and things
[11:52] <bluefusionxl> ok
[11:52] <aburton> axisys: they give me identical sound
[11:52] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, parted can resize but is a lot harder to do that with
[11:52] <bluefusionxl> there is one file containing gdm
[11:52] <bluefusionxl> and its already k
[11:52] <NthDegree> illusia-ru, gparted is easy as anything to use
[11:52] <bluefusionxl> K01gdm
[11:52] <bluefusionxl> bfusionx@bfx11:/etc/rc0.d$
[11:52] <aburton> axisys: how do I know if I have the right driver installed?
[11:52] <sethk> bluefusionxl, what are you trying to do?
[11:52] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, check each ALL of the rc?.d directories
[11:52] <printk> woo hoo my free ubuntu dvds just came in
[11:53] <axisys> aburton: lspci | grep audio
[11:53] <bluefusionxl> i typed in /etc/rc?.d adn it took me to rc0.d
[11:53] <bluefusionxl> and i found that file
[11:53] <JoseStefan> bluefusionxl, in /etc do an "ls rc?.d"
[11:53] <psusi> bluefusionxl, the ? character is a wildcard... it means rc(anything goes here).d
[11:53] <aburton> axisys:  0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[11:53] <sethk> bluefusionxl, what are you trying to do?
[11:54] <bluefusionxl> do i need to go in /etc/ and type ls *rc*
[11:54] <bluefusionxl> disable gnome from starting up on boot
[11:54] <psusi> bluefusionxl, there are several directories with sequential numbers in place of the ?
[11:54] <bluefusionxl> i want shell to show up when i boot
[11:54] <sethk> bluefusionxl, that's not the right way to do it
[11:54] <marcus> hello?
[11:54] <bronze> bluefusionxl: set your init runlevel to 2 or 3
[11:54] <illusia-ru> NthDegree gparted can`t make partition.He says what can`t make more then 4 partitions :(
[11:54] <sethk> bluefusionxl, all you do is edit /etc/inittab, and change the default run level to 1
[11:54] <bronze> bluefusionxl: or do you mean single user?
[11:54] <axisys> aburton: so pick that
[11:54] <sethk> bronze, in ubuntu levels 2 and three both include X
[11:54] <psusi> bronze, it already is in ubuntu.. gdm starts up in all runlevels
[11:54] <sethk> bronze, level one is not single user in ubuntu
[11:55] <bluefusionxl> why 1?
[11:55] <codyzapp> hi, what does ubuntu use to install packages. i have a friend that doesnt know how to install java.
[11:55] <psusi> except single user mode of course
[11:55] <sethk> bluefusionxl, because level 1 is normal boot without X
[11:55] <sethk> bluefusionxl, and you want normal boot without x
[11:55] <illusia-ru> NthDegree maybe because of this fdisk and parted don`t show info about unnalocated space?
[11:55] <sethk> bluefusionxl, so you choose level 1
[11:55] <bluefusionxl> ok im gonna try that
[11:55] <axisys> codyzapp: direct him to wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:55] <JoseStefan> sethk, that is not correct
[11:55] <shut-> cody thats me
[11:55] <shut-> :P
[11:55] <axisys> codyzapp: and search for java
[11:55] <sethk> JoseStefan, yes, it is
[11:55] <bluefusionxl> so do i need to do pico /etc/inittab
[11:55] <axisys> !java
[11:55] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[11:55] <JoseStefan> sethk, some of his other services could require init 2
[11:55] <sethk> JoseStefan, the run levels for ubuntu are not the same as for the other distros
[11:56] <bronze> thats a bad move.
[11:56] <marcus> search for apt :)
[11:56] <sethk> JoseStefan, of course, it could.  Nevertheless, level 1 is intended for normal startup without X
[11:56] <codyzapp> shut, did u see what they said...
[11:56] <bronze> why adopt a non-standard behaivor?  (ubuntu isan't Microsoft after all)
[11:56] <sethk> JoseStefan, if you want to tweak the normal level without X configuraition, of course you can do so.
[11:56] <JoseStefan> sethk, example apache2 starts in init 2
[11:56] <sethk> JoseStefan, so?
[11:56] <bluefusionxl> I'm just running server apps
[11:56] <JoseStefan> sethk, what he just said
[11:57] <bluefusionxl> oh i need apache
[11:57] <sethk> JoseStefan, it surely better to tweak the proper level than to try to turn X off at a different level
[11:57] <JoseStefan> sethk, ^^^
[11:57] <bronze> bluefusionxl: edit inittab and remove X fromn run level 3.
[11:57] <sethk> bluefusionxl, so you add apache to the correct user level
[11:57] <psusi> ohh nice... they fixed it....
[11:57] <Raziekiel> Can anyone provide me with some assistance in installing my nvidia drivers? I followed the instructions on http://ubuntuguide.org, but I got an error
[11:57] <psusi> looks like gdm IS off in runlevel 1
[11:57] <sethk> bluefusionxl, you don't hack up the desktop user level
[11:57] <sethk> psusi, correct
[11:57] <sethk> psusi, that's exactly the point
[11:57] <psusi> didn't used to be that way ;)
[11:57] <axisys> ubotu: tell Raziekiel about nvidia
[11:58] <sethk> psusi, has been since breezy, at least
[11:58] <JoseStefan> sethk, in ubuntu setting appropiate new init levels is time consuming, he can just rename gdm from S to K like recommended by "man update-rc.d"
[11:58] <sethk> JoseStefan, that's incorrect, period
[11:58] <JoseStefan> sethk, thats how "man update-rc.d" says services should be disabled
[11:58] <sethk> JoseStefan, level 2 is intended for desktop with X.
[11:58] <sethk> JoseStefan, the man page tells you how to enable, or disable, any service at any level
[11:59] <sethk> JoseStefan, it does not say anything whatsoever about what should be run at any particular run level
[11:59] <Softimage> can anyone tell if bitchx has a gui type thingy? right now i'm running it from term
[11:59] <HeXiOn> sethk: sorry for answering again... ;)   I am in xconfig..SCSI device support, low-level, SATA support.. and it's all enabled by default, but I didn't get my SATA to work last time
[11:59] <Raziekiel> Thanks axisys
[11:59] <HeXiOn> sethk: am I missing any option?
[11:59] <illusia-ru> how i can know size of any /dev/hda* ?
[11:59] <sethk> HeXiOn, when you say "didn't work", what do you mean?
[11:59] <JoseStefan> sethk, ideally he should move gdm to a higher level, example 3, but that can be more complicated. He simply doesnt want X
[11:59] <sethk> illusia-ru, fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:59] <axisys> linlin: fdisk -l
[11:59] <axisys> linlin: sorry
[11:59] <sethk> JoseStefan, level 1 is intended for running without X
[12:00] <illusia-ru> sethk doesn`t help
[12:00] <sethk> JoseStefan, if he wants apache, simply add apache to level 1
[12:00] <axisys> illusia-ru: run fdisk -l as root
[12:00] <sethk> JoseStefan, it's the minimal change
[12:00] <HeXiOn> sethk: I mean that after restarting and using that kernel, I cant mount my SATA's partitions
[12:00] <bluefusionxl> can't i just somehow
[12:00] <sethk> illusia-ru, doesn't help in what way?
[12:00] <bluefusionxl> remove gdm from level 2?
[12:00] <sethk> illusia-ru, it tells you the size of each partition.
[12:00] <sris> I'm unable to boot my windows installation after picking it in the grub menu. I get an error "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7". Windows is installed on a seperate sata drive and ubuntu on an ide drive. I've tried to use the map directive in grub, and i've tried some stuff i got of google to. but nothing works. any ideas?
[12:00] <illusia-ru> axisys, doesn`t help don`t show unnalocated space
[12:00] <illusia-ru> sethk doesn`t help don`t show unnalocated space
[12:00] <sethk> bluefusionxl, sure, if you want to, but it's not the way the configuration is intended to be used
[12:00] <phiber_optic> how can I change how a file opens, all my mp3 are opening with xine
[12:01] <psusi> illusia-ru, it tells you the total space... and the used space.... can you subtract?


[00:18] <davechen1y> bdx: no
[00:18] <davechen1y> bdx: why do you ask ?
[00:21] <mwhudson> davechen1y: rebuild testing suggests that making 'real go' the default  on ppc64 would lead to unhappiness
[00:21] <mwhudson> mostly because of the limited cgo
[01:23] <moqq> alexisb: FYI after wrestling around with a failed upgrade-juju its working and the cpu is behaving. will hit up that bug report if anything goes sideways again
[01:31] <davechen1y> mwhudson: why do we need cgo ?
[01:31] <mwhudson> davechen1y: "we" as in juju don'
[01:31] <mwhudson> t but lots of things in the archive do
[01:32] <davechen1y> when you say lots
[01:32] <davechen1y> can you quantify ?
[01:32] <davechen1y> 10,000 packages ?
[01:32] <davechen1y> 10 packages ?
[01:32] <davechen1y> i find it hard to believe that gccgo's cgo support is better ?
[01:32] <mwhudson> in between those
[01:32] <mwhudson> cgo on ppc64el is internal linking only
[01:33] <mwhudson> so it's pretty easy to step outside the bounds of what that can handle
[01:33] <mwhudson> i'll be able to quantify better tomorrow, still lots of builds going
[01:33] <mwhudson> some of these indeed don't build on ppc64el with gccgo either
[01:33] <davechen1y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11997181/
[01:34] <davechen1y> oh come on
[01:34] <davechen1y> mwhudson: i'm annoyed by this
[01:34] <davechen1y> this is a problem canonical has done to itself
[01:34] <mwhudson> davechen1y: i am also annoyed
[01:34] <davechen1y> and if that means we don't get go 1.5 everywhere
[01:34] <davechen1y> i will be more than just annoyed
[01:35] <mwhudson> a recent go 1.5 change breaks docker and my go tools packages are insane for reasons i don't understand
[01:35] <davechen1y> mwhudson: more practically
[01:35] <davechen1y> is now the time to suggest taht go versions be versioned in ubuntu in the same way gcc is ?
[01:36] <davechen1y> ie, go-1.4, go 1.5
[01:36] <davechen1y> like we have gcc-4.8
[01:36] <mwhudson> i think there is certainly merit in that idea
[01:36] <davechen1y> how do we make that a reality ?
[01:36] <davechen1y> it needs to happen immediately
[01:36] <davechen1y> ie, before the 20th
[01:37] <davechen1y> hmm that means they also need to be co installable
[01:37] <mwhudson> yeah
[01:37] <davechen1y> and it's going to widen the set of alternatives for who owns /usr/bin/go
[01:37] <mwhudson> it wouldn't be trivial
[01:37] <davechen1y> co installable is doable
[01:38] <davechen1y> who owns /usr/bin/go will be more complicated
[01:38] <mwhudson> yeah not super hard, just a bunch of pain
[01:38] <mwhudson> well that's managed by alternatives now
[01:38] <mwhudson> (which is not how gcc does /usr/bin/gcc)
[01:38] <davechen1y> yeah
[01:39] <mwhudson> mm
[01:39] <mwhudson> maybe i should retract my opening statement
[01:39] <mwhudson> so long as go 1.5 builds juju and lxd on ppc64el
[01:40] <mwhudson> i don't know how much of this other stuff we care about
[01:45] <mwhudson> oh
[01:45] <mwhudson> lxd fails to build :(
[01:45] <mwhudson> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213514232/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-ppc64el.lxd_0.14-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[01:45] <mwhudson> still if it's just that, we can build it with gccgo
[01:45] <mwhudson> (which does work)
[01:47] <davechen1y> it doesn't build because go-sqlite3 does not support ppc
[01:47] <davechen1y> oh
[01:47] <davechen1y> crap
[01:47] <davechen1y> fucking cgo
[01:47] <davechen1y> why does that encode a database ?
[01:47] <davechen1y> why does every fucking project have to have a database
[01:48] <davechen1y> how is that helping us, as a species ?
[01:56] <davechen1y> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1481133
[01:56] <mup> Bug #1481133: version: tests fail on arm64 14.04 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481133>
[01:57] <davechen1y> if this is a test isolation problem I'm going to throw a shoe
[01:58] <mwhudson> davechen1y: i guess there was never a precise for arm64?
[01:59] <mwhudson> if that is the cause, i think shoe-throwing would still be appropriate
[01:59] <davechen1y> i'm going to throw both
[02:02] <davechen1y> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1481133/comments/1
[02:02] <davechen1y> FML
[02:02] <mup> Bug #1481133: version: tests fail on arm64 14.04 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481133>
[02:10] <mup> Bug #1481133 opened: version: tests fail on arm64 14.04 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481133>
[02:13] <mup> Bug #1481133 changed: version: tests fail on arm64 14.04 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481133>
[02:21] <mwhudson> davechen1y: is the proto-plan to try juju on ppc64 next?
[02:21] <davechen1y> mwhudson: i guess
[02:22] <davechen1y> actually, yes
[02:22] <davechen1y> now I have the script
[02:25] <mup> Bug #1481133 opened: version: tests fail on arm64 14.04 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481133>
[06:41] <axw> wallyworld: I'm wanting to add status to volumes and filesystems. what's the appropriate way to marshal that over the API? existing stuff is using api.AgentStatus, which doesn't seem quite right for a non-agent entity... but it is being used for workload and service status too
[06:44] <wallyworld> axw: from memory, that struct grew to accomodate the extra workload status info, somewhat avoiding api churn. it's messy because there's stuff from 1.18, different stuff added in 1.19 which is supposed to be removed, the legacy info for backwards compat, and the new stuff
[06:44] <wallyworld> maybe it's time to bite the bullet and add a new api
[06:44] <axw> wallyworld: okey dokey. I'll look into that, thanks
[06:45] <axw> kinda what I figured, was hoping I'd overlooked something
[06:45] <wallyworld> nah :-(
[06:45] <wallyworld> all a bit messy
[07:05] <dimitern> we're using ErrorResults.Combine() now instead of OneError() ?!
[07:06] <dimitern> ok, only in a few cases it seems, otherwise it would've been *insane*
[07:13] <dimitern> fwereade just texted me they have a power cut and he'll come online when he can
[07:20] <voidspace> dimitern: is it correct that in EC2 you can have multiple NICs, but only one subnet per machine (even if you have multiple NICs)?
[07:23] <dimitern> voidspace, subnets in ec2 map 1:1 with AZs, so you definitely *can't* run an instance with multiple NICs attached to subnets in different AZs
[07:23] <dimitern> voidspace, it's unclear though if you can run an instance with multiple NICs bound to separate subnets in the same VPC and AZ
[07:24] <dimitern> voidspace, probably not, but it can be verified easily
[07:27] <voidspace> dimitern: ok - the network model document states that machines and subnets map 1:1 and you *can't* have multiple NICs bound to different subnets
[07:31] <dimitern> voidspace, we don't intend to allow this initially, yes
[07:31] <dimitern> voidspace, to simplify the implementation, but effectively a machine can end up in multiple spaces and subnets
[07:32] <dimitern> voidspace, so which subnet a machine is in is not the right question to ask, as NICs are bound to subnets, not machines directly
[07:32] <jam> dimitern: there was a recent bug that made me think https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1478660
[07:32] <mup> Bug #1478660: juju uses proxy to access bootstrap node <juju-core:Fix Committed by cherylj> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478660>
[07:32] <jam> we should probably be adding the space to the no-proxy list
[07:32] <jam> dimitern: ^ what do you think?
[07:33] <voidspace> dimitern: right, it's fine to say we don't support it - the doc implies it's an EC2 restriction and that machines map to subnets 1:1
[07:33] <voidspace> dimitern: I'll add a comment
[07:33] <dimitern> jam, is that what we want to do always?
[07:34] <dimitern> voidspace, cheers
[07:34] <jam> dimitern: I don't think you want to proxy for things that you consider on your local LAN do you ?
[07:34] <dimitern> jam, is this for MAAS or in general?
[07:34] <jam> dimitern: in general I'm thinking
[07:34] <dimitern> jam, trying to think of scenarios - AWS is different from MAAS for example
[07:34] <jam> dimitern: they mentioned working around wget, but ISTM that just fixing our wget is shortsighted
[07:35] <jam> dimitern: still, if you're in a space, it seems to define that you have direct access to other things in that space
[07:35] <jam> voidspace: I think the idea right now is that service endpoints map 1:1 to a space, not machines
[07:35] <dimitern> jam, that's right, yes it seems we should do what you suggest
[07:35] <dimitern> jam, I got confused by client-side proxies for a moment
[07:36] <jam> dimitern: so in general, I think we should avoid proxies for things that want to talk to the state server (consider debug-log, or any future file downloads, etc). It may be that we explicitly ignore proxy settings in our code
[07:36] <dimitern> jam, and that relates to voidspace's comment yesterday - *thou shalt always be able to connect to any state servers*
[07:36] <voidspace> jam: the network model docs state that for EC2 machines map to subnets 1:1 - so a service can only be on one space
[07:36] <voidspace> *in one space
[07:37] <voidspace> jam: as a machine can only be on one subnet (even with multiple NICs)
[07:38] <jam> voidspace: I do see that text, I haven't expiremented personally to know if it is true, though it might complicate (or maybe simplify) things.
[07:39] <dimitern> voidspace, you mean a machine, not service, right?
[07:39] <dimitern> voidspace, a service spans multiple units (machines in different subnets of the space)
[07:39] <voidspace> dimitern: well, you deploy services not machines (well you do both)
[07:40] <voidspace> dimitern: so the deploy command can only take one positive space for EC2
[07:40] <jam> dimitern: page 9 of Network Model Phase 1.1 says machines map to subnets 1:1 verbatim
[07:40] <voidspace> dimitern: a service can only be in one space *because* machines can only be on one subnet (i.e. one space)
[07:41] <jam> voidspace: dimitern: it should probably take as long as this discussion to bring up a machine, create 2 subnets in the same AZ, and see if you can attach 2 network interfaces from each subnet to it
[07:41] <voidspace> :-)
[07:41] <voidspace> probably longer for me, but it would be time well spent I think
[07:41]  * dimitern gets increasingly confused
[07:41] <jam> voidspace: I do think that if that constraint is true, we need to think carefully about the ramifications to the network model
[07:41] <dimitern> we need to chat about this at standup
[07:42] <dimitern> I'm trying to review a bunch of things and am distracted right now
[07:42] <jam> specifically, if you ever want to separate the ADMIN endpoint for MYSQL onto a separate space from the DB endpoint, then we need to know if that is actually possible.
[07:42] <voidspace> jam: the space model seems to only be *really* useful when you can have some of your services on multiple spaces
[07:42] <voidspace> jam: and you have firewalling between the spaces
[07:43] <jam> voidspace: well, it can be useful between services (postgres is only in the DB space, and WebApp is in a different space) with custom routing/firewalling
[07:43] <voidspace> right
[07:43] <voidspace> we need to do the custom routing
[07:43] <voidspace> fair enough
[07:43] <voidspace> and we also need to do custom routing for the state server
[07:44] <jam> so I thought for P1 we still had the flat space for Juju traffic.
[07:44] <voidspace> jam: you mean no firewalling?
[07:44] <jam> voidspace: we aren't directly controlling the firewall yet (relations != connections in all cases)
[07:45] <jam> voidspace: but I mean that being in *a* space means you are actually in 2 (the Juju meta space and the explicit one for the service)
[07:46] <voidspace> jam: "the Juju meta space" isn't something mentioned in the network doc
[07:46] <voidspace> jam: can all machines in every space route to each other through the meta space?
[07:47] <voidspace> as spaces are described as being "a security subdivision of a network" it seems that they only have any reason to exist if traffic between them is restricted / controlled (or am I wrong)?
[07:48] <voidspace> is the "meta space" just a consequence of having no routing restrictions - or is it (or will it be) something else (a specific set of routing rules)?
[07:50] <jam> voidspace: so I think it was a pragmatic decision in first phase to make sure everything can talk to the state server without requiring the server to have an address in every space.
[07:50] <jam> but it may have been in conversations and not captured in the doc
[07:50] <voidspace> right
[07:51] <jam> it certainly does get us away from strong security if we don't have binding
[07:51] <jam> (if your service always binds to all available interfaces, then having an interface on a globally routable space means you lost the security aspect)
[07:52] <voidspace> which is the raison d'etre for spaces to exist at all :-)
[07:55] <voidspace> jam: when I login to the AWS console and then navigate to EC2 I get a "Your service sign-up is almost complete!" message
[07:55] <voidspace> I've tried us-east-1 and us-west-2
[07:55] <voidspace> jam: could you verify it works for you? (sorry to be a pain)
[07:56] <voidspace> I can try from go-amz instead
[07:56] <jam> voidspace: trying to go in
[07:57] <voidspace> seems like I get the same response from all the AZs
[07:57] <jam> voidspace: I see a juju-env machine running in us-east-1
[07:57] <jam> m1.small
[07:57] <voidspace> ok, must be a problem with my account
[07:57] <jam> though that is via the master account, if you are using an IAM role
[07:57] <jam> voidspace: is it a personal account?
[07:57] <jam> or shared?
[07:57] <voidspace> I logged in with the wrong account first (and then signed out) - it maybe a cookie issue
[07:58] <voidspace> jam: it's my canonical account
[07:58] <jam> voidspace: interesting, your mfoord user in the shared account has password last used of 2014-11
[08:00] <voidspace> jam: odd, I get the same result from another browser too
[08:01] <voidspace> jam: gah, user error
[08:02] <voidspace> jam: I have a personal account with my canonical email address
[08:02] <voidspace> jam: I wasn't using the shared account
[08:11] <voidspace> jam: when launching an instance I can create multiple nics bound to different subnets (in the same AZ)
[08:11] <voidspace> dimitern: ^^^
[08:18] <dimitern> voidspace, I can't say off hand, but should be easy to verify by using the AWS CLI commands
[08:18] <dimitern> voidspace, or even the web UI
[08:18] <dimitern> TheMue, I've responded on your review, but I'm afraid I found even more issues missed earlier, ping me if anything is unclear
[08:19] <TheMue> dimitern: ah, great, thank you. just wanted to ping you that I added some questions/remarks. but the I found your mail about the sprint and currently answering it.
[08:20] <dimitern> TheMue, cheers
[08:22] <dimitern> axw, are you still around?
[08:22] <dimitern> wallyworld, or you?
[08:32] <axw> dimitern: I'm here, what's up?
[08:33] <dimitern> axw, I'm reviewing your RB2295 and found out we're now using things like storage.XXXResults similarly to apiserver/params.XXXResults with Error fields
[08:33] <dimitern> axw, but that's in the providers; wasn't clear at first, but I figured it out, sorry for the noise :)
[08:34] <axw> dimitern: well, this is the first place it's done AFAIK. I'm trying to enable bulk provider API calls, even though the current ones mostly don't support it
[08:34] <axw> dimitern: some do (DestroyVolumes for some), some don't (all CreateVolumes)
[08:35] <axw> dimitern: cool, no worries
[08:35] <dimitern> axw, we need this for sure - we can use it for ReleaseAddresses as well for example
[08:36] <axw> dimitern: you might be interested in the next branch I put up, which does retries for failed operations. the storage provisioner will include a scheduler for operations, with failed ones being put back on the schedule to retry at a later date
[08:36] <dimitern> axw, think about a few common cases there: retrying transient errors (how to make that easier to convey) as well as a few helpers on the results types that have errors to verify e.g. the number of results == number of args
[08:37] <dimitern> axw, nice! I'll definitely be interested in looking at that
[08:37] <axw> hm yes I suppose it should check those things
[08:37] <axw> I'm currently relying on the fact that it's all in the same process, so we *should* be able to rely on them doing the right thing
[08:38] <axw> but I could make it more pedantic
[08:39] <dimitern> might be worth it in the face of future extensions to the behavior/implementation
[08:40] <dimitern> axw, it seems a bit unwieldy how ([]error, error) returns are handled - a some common Combine() helper might be useful
[08:41] <axw> dimitern: that's a stop-gap. in a follow-up, the individual errors will be used to decide whether or not to reschedule, and they won't surface. a further follow-up will propagate the errors to status
[08:41] <axw> so you can see the provisioning error from the CLI
[08:41] <axw> I had it as one big branch, but it was >1200 LOC :)
[08:42] <dimitern> wow :)
[08:42] <dimitern> axw, ok, I'll follow the follow-ups then
[08:52] <axw> dimitern: thanks for the review
[08:53] <dimitern> axw, thanks for starting to solve the retrying in general for providers :)
[08:57] <voidspace> dimitern: I have verified it!
[08:57] <voidspace> dimitern: I was saying I *can* create an instance with multiple nics on different subnets
[08:59] <dimitern> voidspace, ah, I see
[09:00] <dimitern> voidspace, well that's AWS, in other clouds we'll have different constraints like this, OpenStack being an example of almost "all is allowed" sort of cloud
[09:02] <voidspace> TheMue: dooferlad: stdup?
[09:02] <TheMue> voidspace: omw, fetch a coffee
[09:02] <TheMue> fetched
[11:02] <perrito666> morning all
[11:06] <TheMue> heya perrito666
[11:09] <dimitern> perrito666, hey, my fellow OCR :)
[11:10]  * perrito666 feels something coming his way
[11:10] <dimitern> perrito666, I've left you the best review of all - william's final leadership one
[11:10]  * dimitern ducks
[11:10] <dimitern> :)
[11:11] <perrito666> dimitern: aren t you a sweetie
[11:11] <dimitern> perrito666, I'll buy you a beer on the next sprint hehe
[11:11] <perrito666> ill make some coffee before this
[11:19] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: ping
[11:56] <dimitern> dooferlad, I think the build errors you're getting might be due to the "type SpaceDoc spaceDoc" definition in export_test.go (or something else like this when only happens while running tests)
[11:59] <perrito666> dimitern: well it was the second time around most of these changes
[11:59] <perrito666> which made them a bit easier
[12:00] <dimitern> perrito666, I've been on some of the previous ones as well, but there are new things there as well
[12:00] <perrito666> dimitern: yep, but still much better than the first time
[12:00] <perrito666> :)
[12:01]  * dimitern found out this background music makes it a *lot* easier to go through reviews :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exWNztpgfIw
[12:03] <perrito666> dimitern: sounds like it would make you shoot at the review at some points
[12:04] <dimitern> perrito666, it occasionally does, yes :)
[12:22] <dooferlad> dimitern: the code builds fine here. Very strange
[12:22] <dooferlad> dimitern: in fact I have 100% tests passing, and I have rebased on upstream so I should have identical code.
[12:26] <dooferlad> dimitern: maybe a go version thing? I am on 1.4.2
[12:26] <dimitern> dooferlad, I'm on 1.2.1 which is the same CI uses IIRC, I'll pull your branch and try it here
[12:30] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks. I thought we had moved to 1.4.2. Guess not. Are we waiting for 1.5?
[12:30] <dimitern> dooferlad, we are
[12:30] <dimitern> dooferlad, but it's useful to have a mix of versions until then, just for such issues
[12:31] <voidspace> dooferlad: ping
[12:31] <dooferlad> voidspace: hi
[12:31] <voidspace> dooferlad: hey, you available to hangout?
[12:32] <dooferlad> voidspace: yea, I can come back to this.
[12:32] <voidspace> dooferlad: cool, stdup hangout?
[12:33] <dooferlad> sure
[12:38] <dimitern> mgz, ping
[12:56] <dimitern> dooferlad, btw while looking at the changes your branch introduced - https://github.com/juju/juju/compare/net-cli...dooferlad:net-cli-state-add-space I noticed the last change - removing Assert: isAliveDoc from Subnet.EnsureDead() - why is that?
[12:56] <dooferlad> dimitern: odd.
[12:56] <voidspace> dimitern: must spaces list be a bulk call?
[12:57] <dimitern> voidspace, I don't think so, but it should take filters
[12:57] <voidspace> dimitern: what do you mean by filters?
[12:57] <voidspace> dimitern: filtering output by name or something?
[12:58] <voidspace> dimitern: the CLI doesn't have filters (like that)
[12:58] <dimitern> voidspace, let me double-check the model
[12:58]  * voidspace too
[12:58] <dimitern> I might be thinking of subnet list
[12:59] <voidspace> dooferlad: the juju command is actually "space" rather than "spaces"
[12:59] <voidspace> dooferlad: so "space" seems more correct
[13:00] <voidspace> subnet list hasn't been done yet
[13:00] <dimitern> voidspace, no filters for space list
[13:00] <voidspace> so I can't just copy it
[13:00] <voidspace> dimitern: yeah
[13:01] <dimitern> voidspace, the --short argument is purely a CLI thing - we still get all the details from the API
[13:01] <voidspace> dimitern: ok
[13:01] <voidspace> dimitern: and what about format?
[13:01] <voidspace> dimitern: do we do that on the server?
[13:01] <voidspace> I'll find another list cli command and look at that
[13:02] <dimitern> voidspace, how about this? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1390/
[13:02] <dimitern> voidspace, the format is also a CLI thing
[13:02] <voidspace> dimitern: yeah, I meant the apiserver bit
[13:02] <voidspace> dimitern: thanks though, worth looking at
[13:03] <dimitern> voidspace, ah, yeah - no apiserver support for listing spaces, but it should just call Backing.AllSpaces
[13:04] <voidspace> dimitern: so if format, output and short are all handled on the client - ListSpaces takes no arguments
[13:05] <dimitern> dooferlad, please reintroduce that assert
[13:05] <dooferlad> dimitern: will do. Did you have any problems with go 1.2?
[13:05] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah
[13:06] <dimitern> dooferlad, tests are still running - so far a few failures which look like flakyness
[13:18] <mgz> dimitern: hey
[13:18] <dimitern> dooferlad, passed the cmd package where the build issue happened on the CI machine - no issues
[13:18] <dooferlad> dimitern: I thought the problem was in state.
[13:18] <dimitern> mgz, hey, I'm trying to analyze why this merge fails with such an odd error: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/4188/consoleFull
[13:18] <dooferlad> dimitern: you could "cd state; go test -c" to check for a compile error
[13:19] <dimitern> mgz, it's happening a few times now and both I and dooferlad get no errors when running tests with the same branch locally, I'm on 1.2.1, he's on 1.4.2
[13:19] <mgz> dimitern: that's not one I've seen before
[13:19] <dimitern> dooferlad, I know, but just in case it's some weird issue which *only happens* under load or when running the full suite..
[13:20] <dimitern> mgz, can you force the instance to stay after the tests fail, so we can get in and inspect it?
[13:24] <mgz> hm, I should just attatch the tarball as an artifact
[13:26] <mgz> ugh, that branhc adds more ConnSuite derived tests?
[13:27] <mgz> dimitern: I bet the problem is the export_test
[13:28] <dimitern> mgz, that's what I suspected, but there's no redefinition of that type there
[13:29] <mgz> I am surpised it worsk for you on 1.21 but not on the clean instance for the bot
[13:29] <dimitern> mgz, and since #testmain is involved, I strongly suspect it's actually due to the way we're running CLI tests (another possibility is a dirty GOPATH on the CI instance)
[13:30] <mgz> dimitern: try running `make check` and see if you get it?
[13:30] <dimitern> mgz, I did, it's running for a while now
[13:31] <dimitern> mgz, and there it is! I've reproduced it (in a different package, but that's due to suites running in parallel I guess)
[13:31] <dimitern> dooferlad, I've got a repro
[13:31] <dooferlad> dimitern: sweet!
[13:32] <alexisb> katco, are you in today?
[13:34] <katco> alexisb: i am :)
[13:39] <dimitern> dooferlad, now running go test ./... in cmd/juju to see if that triggers it
[13:41] <dimitern> incredibly annoying :(
[13:42] <dimitern> it's not that then trying cmd/jujud/
[13:44] <dimitern> dooferlad, I managed with go test -c in state/
[13:47] <katco> dimitern: perrito666: more input needed on this: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2199/
[13:47] <dimitern> katco, ack, will look shortly
[13:48] <dimitern> dooferlad, found a workaround
[13:49] <perrito666> katco: will look
[13:50] <dimitern> dooferlad, if you change "func (s *Space) Doc() spaceDoc { return s.doc }" to "func SpaceDoc(s *Space) spaceDoc { return s.doc }" (and the tests from space.Doc().X to state.SpaceDoc(space).X) it builds ok here
[13:50] <dimitern> dooferlad, amazingly it doesn't complain about spaceDoc not being exported, which I expected
[13:51] <dimitern> oh boy PowerShell
[13:51] <dimitern> gsamfira, ping :)
[13:52] <dimitern> perrito666, I'm with you on that one re PS
[13:53] <perrito666> dimitern: ?
[13:54] <dimitern> perrito666, about http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2199/
[13:56] <dimitern> katco, replied, if somewhat unhelpfully I guess
[14:01] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks. Just setting up a container to let me test in a clean environment before I try and merge again, (trusty + default go)
[14:02] <dimitern> dooferlad, +1
[14:06] <mup> Bug #1481366 opened: leader-get may fail in -departed hooks <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481366>
[14:08] <katco> alexisb: hey i'm out tomorrow
[14:09] <alexisb> katco, ok np
[14:09] <alexisb> I need to catch pat before she goes on vacation, so just decline the call
[14:10] <katco> alexisb: k will do
[14:10] <katco> alexisb: just lemme know what you need from me
[14:28] <perrito666> katco: that patch is still a hughe powershell blob, I have no idea what is going on inside
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1481368 opened: Deploy hangs: jujud-machine-0 upstart process running but juju status shows it down <canonical-bootstack> <deploy> <state-server> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481368>
[16:03] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[16:18] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[16:18] <perrito666> sorry was having lunch
[16:18] <alexisb> perrito666, no worries
[16:18] <alexisb> I saw https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481368 come in on the proposed 1.24.4
[16:18] <mup> Bug #1481368: Deploy hangs: jujud-machine-0 upstart process running but juju status shows it down <canonical-bootstack> <deploy> <state-server> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481368>
[16:18] <alexisb> looks to potentially be status related
[16:18]  * perrito666 checks
[16:19] <alexisb> was curious on your perspective
[16:22] <perrito666> alexisb: mm, I think it might be something else being masked by status
[16:30] <alexisb> perrito666, katco, cherylj, wwitzel3, ericsnow, natefinch if someone has free cycles https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481368 needs to be worked
[16:30] <mup> Bug #1481368: Deploy hangs: jujud-machine-0 upstart process running but juju status shows it down <canonical-bootstack> <deploy> <state-server> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481368>
[16:30] <katco> alexisb: might be possible later. today is moonstone's catchup+planning day
[16:31] <katco> alexisb: since i was out on fri.
[16:31] <alexisb> katco, ack
[16:35] <cherylj> alexisb: I can take a look in a few
[16:38] <alexisb> cherylj, thank you as always
[19:23] <sinzui> cherylj: I am trying to force CI to retest your commit to master.
[19:24] <cherylj> sinzui: for bug 1480298?
[19:24] <mup> Bug #1480298: unknown object type "Charms" <blocker> <ci> <compatibility> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Committed by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1480298>
[19:26] <sinzui> cherylj: yes. the branch failed because of a logging test that may have been intermittent
[19:26] <cherylj> ah, ok
[20:31] <mbruzek> Hello core devs.  Someone is setting up a network for a conference and wants to know all the ports to open to get Juju to work.  I know about 22 and 37017 and 38017, are there any other ones that I am forgetting?
[20:31] <mbruzek> when I do a google search for juju ports I only get the open ports for charms.
[20:37] <katco> wwitzel3: ericsnow: we'll delay the remainder of planning until thurs. do you feel like you have a good idea of what to work on tomorrow?
[20:37] <ericsnow> katco: yep
[20:37] <ericsnow> katco: I also did my best to flesh out the cards we have
[20:37] <katco> ericsnow: awesome ty
[20:42] <mbruzek> The default port numbers for api-port, state-port, and storage-port are 17071, 37017, and 8040 respectively.
[20:56] <wwitzel3> katco: yep, sounds good
[20:56] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: thanks :)
[21:16] <perrito666> menn0: ping
[21:19] <menn0> perrito666: sorry, in standup
[21:42] <perrito666> menn0: np, just ping me when you have a moment plz
[22:06] <menn0> perrito666: ok i'm done. what's up/
[22:06] <perrito666> you dont seem happy to see me :p
[22:07] <perrito666> ill go priv so I have proper logs to read after
[22:16] <mup> Bug #1481500 opened: automatic devel streams selection for beta releases <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481500>
[23:00] <perrito666> aghh my fix depends on fwereade patch
[23:14] <alexisb> perrito666, this one:   https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2909
[23:14] <perrito666> yeah, I am trying to make a patch for it
[23:17] <perrito666> alexisb: mm, it seems he did not fwport all of it, ill propose a patch tailored to master