[01:46] <AndrewB> eeek
[01:46] <AndrewB> It burns
[01:52] <AndrewB> Could we add a table of contents to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines so that we can direct link to a certain rule?
[01:53] <PriceChild> AndrewB, i'll take a look at doing that
[01:54] <PriceChild> but links would have huge hashes after them?
[01:54] <AndrewB> I can add it in quick
[01:54] <PriceChild> by all means :)
[01:55] <AndrewB> Though you are right on the hash thing..
[01:57] <Pumpernickel> Tinyurl?
[01:58] <AndrewB> Takes time to create them
[02:05] <jrib> create anchors
[02:05] <PriceChild> enlighten us jrib :)
[02:05] <nalioth> tinygurls?
[02:06] <AndrewB> I don't like it with a table of contents actually, 14 is too many
[02:07] <jrib> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking [[Anchor(anchorname)] ]  in the wiki page, then link to w.u.c./foo#anchorname
[02:11] <AndrewB> Ok bugger the contents, I could add easy to remeber anchors? would that benefit?
[02:33] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:33] <Pici> I feel kind of silly calling the ops when it lists my name ;)
[02:34] <PriceChild> Pici, tough :P
[02:39] <wolferine> did I do something wrong Price?
[02:40] <PriceChild> Hi
[02:40] <wolferine> hello
[02:40] <PriceChild> I was simply requesting that you didn't publically accuse people of trolling in #ubuntu
[02:40] <PriceChild> Some people could take great offence at that.
[02:40] <wolferine> well, I have been assisting this guy for the last 3 hours in three different channels
[02:40] <wolferine> im sorry it was offfensive
[02:40] <PriceChild> A better course of action would be to pm an active op.... !ops if they're breaking channel guidelines or just ignore them.
[02:40] <wolferine> offensive
[02:41] <wolferine> well, I dont think he was doing it so much it required an op
[02:41] <wolferine> else I would have
[02:42] <wolferine> anyways, sorry for 'fighting' with yu in the channel
[02:47] <jrib> PriceChild: did my anchor comments for the wiki get through?  the combination of compiz and dial up have made my connection slightly unreliable?
[02:48] <PriceChild> Yeah you gate the helponlinking page
[03:37] <mneptok> Pici: oy
[03:38] <mneptok> if you care, my internal speakers work when adjusted with alsamixer. sadly, they *always* work, even when the external jack is in use.
[03:38] <Pici> I got my first backlash from someone earlier.
[03:38] <mneptok> Pici: when your house gets egged, the +o has come home to roost
[03:43] <ubotu> Paladine called the ops in #ubuntuforums
[03:44] <Vorian> botman1 and botman2
[03:44] <Pici> looks like c1h2e1s5 triggered it.
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: Has that happened?
[03:45] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: how close to my house are *you* willing to get?
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: :P
[03:47] <Pumpernickel> I think I'm about three hours away... I could maybe build a rocket-based egg launcher.
[03:47] <jrib> icbe
[03:48] <Pici> Thats a scary thought
[03:55] <mneptok> "Rocket Based Egg Launcher" was the title of my rejected "Women's Health Week Issues" term paper.
[04:21] <nixternal> in ubuntu-meeting, someone has a logging bot...dunno what the rules are Jester_bot
[04:21] <nixternal> err, Jester-log
[04:21] <nalioth> nixternal: go get 'em!
[04:22] <nixternal> bots aren't allowed right?
[04:22] <nixternal> unless they have been reged?
[04:22] <nixternal> or approved
[04:22] <nalioth> i'm taking care of it.  i know EXACTLY whose hide to stake to the anthill
[04:22] <nalioth> nixternal: did you /whois the bot?
[04:22] <nixternal> ya
[04:22] <nixternal> Jester45
[04:22] <nalioth> yourmom
[04:22] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:22] <nalioth> nixternal: you didn't see that?
[04:22] <nixternal> wtf is up with "mom" jokes tonight
[04:23] <nalioth>  /whois the damned bot
[04:23] <nalioth> and read it
[04:23] <nixternal> lol
[04:23] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 21:21 -!- Jester-log<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:23] <nalioth> it was not a joke
[04:24] <nixternal> thought it was
[04:24] <nalioth> did you kick it?
[04:24] <nixternal> you did
[04:24] <nalioth> i did not.
[04:25] <nixternal> <<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[requested by nalioth
[04:25] <nalioth> interesting
[04:25] <nixternal> hehe
[04:25] <nalioth> it didn't show up on my screen that i removed it
[04:25] <nalioth> just the ban
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> lol
[04:25] <nixternal> me too
[05:32] <apokryphos> nalioth: better? :)
[05:32] <nalioth> apokryphos: see? you've even got a welcome mat here
[05:33] <apokryphos> more bots, less people? ;)
[05:36] <nalioth> bots?
[05:36] <Pumpernickel> people?
[05:37] <apokryphos> with the people of course :)
[05:37] <apokryphos> hi Pumpernickel
[05:37] <Pumpernickel> hiya
[05:39] <apokryphos> ouch, so late, /me -> bed. 'night :)
[05:49] <elkbuntu> nice 0 victims
[05:51] <nalioth> elkbuntu: it wasn't lethal
[05:51] <elkbuntu> at all, no
[05:51] <elkbuntu> that is pretty excellent
[05:51] <nalioth> no, you misunderstand
[05:51] <nalioth> the syntax was wrong
[05:51] <elkbuntu> oh
[05:52] <elkbuntu> still.. he got no jollies
[05:52] <elkbuntu> and theoretically a kline to boot
[05:52] <nalioth> i'm attempting to see about that
[07:38] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Irreducibilis said: ubotu's link is dead
[01:47] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-motu, norsetto said: !ppa is <reply> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> (done)
[01:52] <Pici> (okay)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> !girl
[02:18] <ubotu> Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27
[02:18] <Hobbsee> !no girl is <reply> Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | For more interesting reading, see http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/
[02:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[02:21] <pleia2> !logs
[02:21] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:39] <jussi01> Hmmm, can someone tell me the commands for banning and unbanning people?
[03:41] <Jucato>  /mode <channel> -b <host or nick or whatever
[03:41] <Jucato> ??
[03:41] <jussi01> Jucato: thanks.
[03:41] <jussi01> :)
[03:42] <Jucato> if you're using konvi it's much easier :)
[03:42] <Tm_T> well, in irssi, /ban or /unban
[03:42] <Tm_T> and ofcourse /help ;-P
[03:43] <jussi01> Jucato: how so?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you've found out about ban -d i take it?
[03:44] <Jucato> jussi01: just click on the icon beside the channel topic or Window -> Channel settings for ______
[03:44] <jussi01> Hobbsee: no....
[03:45] <Hobbsee> sorry, jussi01
[03:45] <Hobbsee> er, Jucato
[03:45] <jussi01> Jucato: how cool :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> although you cna use it too
[03:46] <jussi01> Hobbsee: what is ban -d ?
[03:46] <Pici> realname ban iirc.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> jussi01: er, ban -domain, iirc
[03:46] <jussi01> ahhh, gotcha
[03:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah that... er... slipped my mind :(
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Pici: no, that's /cs mode #channame +d <onewordwith*and?sasnecessary>
[03:47] <Pici> Hobbsee: I havent had the need/chance to use it yet.  I should read up on the freenode modes some more.
[04:15] <ubotu> JimQode called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hm?
[04:21] <Gary> sorry, my fingers slipped on the keyboard :p
[04:34] <Pici> Yeah, h o b s and e are really easy to mistype
[04:36] <mc44> tab completion typos can be pretty far from what you intend :) Not that I believe that Gary for a second ;P
[04:36] <Gary> I wouldn't either
[04:39] <Gary> :p
[04:42] <Pici> Yeah, I havent seen him in a while either.
[04:42] <GazzaK> :-)
[04:42] <Pici> Imposter!
[04:42] <Pici> :p
[04:43] <GazzaK> oops, thats just nick spammed everywhere.
[04:43] <mc44> yay!
[04:49] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:51] <ubotu> DjViper called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:51] <gnomefreak> did someone in here add the !ppa factoid after kmos asked?
[04:51] <Pici> !ppa
[04:51] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[04:51] <Pici> yes.
[04:52] <maxamillion> lol
[04:52] <gnomefreak> Pici: you did?
[04:52] <Pici> gnomefreak: Hobbsee did.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i did, norsetto gets full credit for writing it
[04:52] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ppa hasnt been released yet (this is gonna screw people up
[04:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i ignore the crack that kmos comes up with though
[04:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the quick start guide and all that is still there - i thought they moved it
[04:52] <gnomefreak> they will upload to dogfood and it will be removed from dogfood in a day or so
[04:53] <Hobbsee> right
[04:53] <gnomefreak> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[04:53] <gnomefreak> thats one of my dogfood accounts
[04:53] <gnomefreak> thats how i know it hasnt been released
[04:54] <gnomefreak> multiple architectures is a bit misleading as well
[04:54] <gnomefreak> x86 and 64
[05:32] <PriceChild> Hey jono.
[05:32] <jono> hey PriceChild
[05:32] <PriceChild> how goes?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hi jono
[05:33] <jono> good thanks
[05:33] <jono> hey Hobbsee
[05:33] <PriceChild> I put it on the agenda again for weds
[05:34] <PriceChild> bah not weds... 3rd
[05:34] <PriceChild> so similar
[05:34] <Hobbsee> oh, drat.  there must be a kubuntu meeting in a week
[05:34] <Hobbsee> i knew i was goign to put something otu a week ago..
[05:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MTecknology said: !!! :@ !!!      Thank you for your attention to detail
[05:35] <MTecknology> ^^ that's why i'm here actually
[05:35] <PriceChild> Because you used a ! to start omething, then used the word "is"... so it thought you were suggesting a factoid.
[05:35] <MTecknology> o, lol
[05:36] <GazzaK> don't think we can use that though :p
[05:36] <MTecknology> i thought it might be b/c i edited the spelling on one of the wiki's?
[05:36] <MTecknology> sorry, I hate having to deal with windows systems...
[05:36] <PriceChild> Nope.
[05:36] <Pici> MTecknology: Ubotu isnt that smart.  Yet.
[05:36] <PriceChild> Is there anything else we can help you with MTecknology?
[05:36] <Pici> MTecknology: Just watch the language, k?
[05:36] <MTecknology> i will
[05:37] <MTecknology> PriceChild, make my company develop web apps for linux instead?
[05:37] <MTecknology> sorry... I'm offtopic here, i'll shutup
[05:38] <mc44> isn't the point of web apps that they are OS independent
[05:39] <MTecknology> mc44, I meant the server
[05:39] <MTecknology> we'
[05:39] <gnomefreak> maybe browser independant?
[05:39] <MTecknology> we're using ajax, ms sql, reporting services, ajax extensions, and asp.net
[05:39] <MTecknology> and other bs we really shouldn't need in this manner
[05:40] <MTecknology> it's browser and server dependent
[05:40] <MTecknology> I'm trying to install a hack for SQL to get it to work with asp.net the way we need it to
[05:59] <PriceChild> Is there anything else we can help you with MTecknology? (apart from your company's internal workings)
[06:00] <MTecknology> sorry- want me o leave?
[06:00] <MTecknology> s/o/to
[06:01] <nalioth> MTecknology: if you have nothing further, please :)
[06:06] <fluebug> my computer is broke, can anyone help me?
[06:06] <mc44> fluebug: please use #ubuntu for support
[06:06] <fluebug> isn't this ubuntu operations?
[06:07] <mc44> no
[06:07] <fluebug> do you know java?
[06:07] <mc44> fluebug: please read the /topic
[06:07] <fluebug> i am in your cpu, hugging your cycles!
[06:08] <fluebug> man, this is nixternal
[06:08] <Pici> fluebug: ...
[06:08] <fluebug> I am stuck in class and they locked me out from ssh'n into home :)
[06:08] <mc44> fluebug: imposter!
[06:08] <fluebug> haha
[06:08] <mc44> also, evil trolling :P
[06:08] <fluebug> ask me something that mr. nix would know
[06:08] <PriceChild> ok...
[06:08] <mc44> fluebug: whats your favourite colour
[06:08] <PriceChild> What is your root password?
[06:08] <fluebug> kubuntu blue baby!
[06:08] <fluebug> don't use root
[06:08] <mc44> haha
[06:08] <Pici> PriceChild: good one!
[06:09] <PriceChild> fluebug, can't you /nick to your linked nick and identify?
[06:09] <fluebug> hrmm, let me try
[06:10] <PriceChild> There we go :)
[06:10] <mc44> I'm still not convinced :P
[06:10] <nixternal_> didn't event hink of that
[06:10] <nixternal_> plus I wanted to have a little fun with this stupid cgi-irc crap
[06:11] <nixternal_> alright...I need to take a nap, this teacher is killing me
[06:12] <nixternal_> cya'll later
[06:13] <Pici> Has there ever been a case of someone impersonating an op?
[06:14] <nalioth> Pici: yes, attempts have been made
[06:14] <Pici> Usually doesnt last long, I'm assuming.
[06:15] <PriceChild> *remembers the last time he left his pass on a different machine*
[06:15] <Pici> I've come across that once before on a game server, but the person failed to realize that the person that he was impersonating was on dial-up and didn't live in the united states.
[06:15] <pleia2> Pici: no sympathy :)
[06:16] <Pici> Oh, it was a very quick kickban.
[06:17] <mc44> Pici: hello, this is irc support. Looks like we lost your personal information. If you just send me your nickserv password we can get this sorted out.
[06:17] <mc44> ;)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> mc44: you want http://community.livejournal.com/techsupport
[06:19] <nalioth> Hobbsee: are we repelling boarders?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> nalioth: sorry?
[06:20] <nalioth> your hat, Hobbsee
[06:21] <nalioth> you have your captains hat on
[06:21] <Pici> Yes.
[06:21] <Pici> Its a swirly hat.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> nalioth: oh, meh.  just abusing GazzaK
[06:21] <nalioth> ah
[06:21] <Hobbsee> seeing as we cant in -offtopic anymore
[06:21] <nalioth> why not?
[06:22] <nalioth> he's got ops there and can defend himself
[06:22] <Hobbsee> that's why
[06:22] <nalioth> that makes it more fun
[06:23] <GazzaK> lol
[06:24] <GazzaK> Hobbsee, it's not a fair game unless the victim can defend himself
[06:24] <mc44> GazzaK: you enjoy being the victim ;)
[06:24] <GazzaK> and on that note, i'm going to the bar :-D
[06:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:57] <PriceChild> Gary, wo you finally got it :)
[06:57] <Gary> lol
[06:57] <Gary> got what?  a voice
[06:57] <nalioth> PriceChild: yes, we didnt want to tell you, but we'll be taking your v away soon
[06:57] <Gary> had that for days :-D
[06:57] <PriceChild> I suppose its only fair :(
[06:58] <PriceChild> unless....
[06:58] <nalioth> PriceChild: you talk to much, anyway
[07:39] <Gary> Pici, i'd do a ban for that
[07:39] <Pici> Gary: I was trying to digest it.
[07:40] <Pici> Gary: I have no idea where that came from.
[07:40] <Gary> me neither
[07:40] <Gary> what a weird comment
[07:41] <Gary> i'd not worry about it
[07:42] <Gary> that nick is 26 weeks old, and the last registered user address is not the same as that ban ip
[07:48] <Pici> The part that disturbs and confuses me, is that this same person is quite helpful in #ubuntu
[07:49] <Gary> as I said, i'd not trust the nickname, check the ip
[07:49] <Pici> I did.
[07:49] <Pici> I checked my logs.
[07:49] <Gary> oh, thats sad
[07:49] <Gary> must have a hater already Pici
[07:49] <Gary> that happens
[07:49] <Gary> i'd not worry
[07:54] <Pici> hmmmm....
[08:19] <Pici> Aha.
[08:35] <mc44> Pici: Take on me?
[08:35] <Pici> Take me on?
[08:35] <mc44> :)
[08:35] <Pici> No, I was actually referring to Davy_Jones
[08:37] <Pricey> that's a big ban......
[08:37] <Pricey> *reads backlog*
[08:37] <Pici> I have more information about that.
[08:37] <Pici> Davy_Jones. AKA: Abu_Hamza, Azul, GoFcukYourself, nuked_omen.
[08:38] <mc44> ah, him
[08:39] <Pici> All are<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:39] <Pricey> *reads bantracker as backlog is rubbish*
[08:39] <Pici> All have at least 1 kick/ban in bantracker.
[08:39] <Pricey> Pici, Gary, have you been introduced to the bantracker?
[08:39] <Gary> seems like a nice fellow
[08:39] <Pici> Pricey: I have.
[08:40] <Gary> Pricey, only when Seveas was laughing at how many bans/kicks he had done to me
[08:40] <Pricey> hehe :)
[08:40] <Gary> do we have logins?
[08:40] <Pici> No.
[08:40] <Pricey> @btlogin
[08:40] <Gary> whats that do?
[08:40] <Gary> @btlogin
[08:40] <Gary> ahh, it fails :p
[08:40] <Pricey> see if that gives you anything... but I'd guess that won't happen until we let you into the ubuntu-irc group...
[08:40] <Pici> I think it lets us add comments to the bans.
[08:40] <Pricey> sorry... "if"
[08:40] <Pricey> :P
[08:41] <Gary> but yeah, I've seen the bantracker, and very good it is
[08:42] <Pricey> hmmm bantracker only shows first ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and nothing more...
[08:42] <Gary> refresh it, it shows the latest to me
[08:42] <Pricey> yeah and the one after...
[08:42] <Pricey> but I thought you said there were others?
[08:42] <Pici> 87.109 shows 4 bans.
[08:43] <Pricey> Oh I just searched on your name :)
[08:43] <Gary> thats hobbsee's fault :p
[08:43] <Pricey> Pici, I still only see the two bans by you, then a couple older from may and july?
[08:44] <Pici> One of them as nuked_omen, so I grepped my logs and saw that nuked_omen and davy_jones both shared name and partial ip address.
[08:44] <Pici> So I looked through my logs for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and compared those names back to the bantracker. The names I listed above are the ones that have kicks or bans attributed to them.
[08:45] <Pricey> In my opinion that ban is covering a little too much though...
[08:45] <Gary> well it is restricted to ad@ too
[08:45] <Pricey> ah so it is
[08:45] <Pricey> sorry :)
[08:45] <Pricey> *will be quiet now*
[08:46] <Pici> okay. ;)
[08:46] <Gary> :p
[08:46] <Pici> I was concerned about the dynamic IP really.
[08:47] <Pici> And I definitly wouldnt ban an entire ISP of people w/o some other qualifcations.
[08:47] <PriceChild> How dare I doubt you :)
[08:47] <mc44> unless they are turkish ;)
[08:48] <ompaul> mc44, they really want your stash :)
[08:48] <mc44> mc44: it all went at Reading Festival :)
[08:48] <ompaul> my job is mad, my mates are madder - I am remotely updating a 6.06 box and locally doing gutsy for a mate
[08:51] <Gary> I concur
[10:23] <Gary> hey Amaranth
[10:23] <Amaranth> hi
[10:34] <PriceChild> I still don't think I've had expenses back for Sevilla...


 And does that really matter if there's no procreation involved?
[14:21] <waf> "it's really just for tax reasons, honest!"
[14:22] <brousch> I hadn't thought about it until I had to come up with a logical answer
[14:22] <rick_h_> lol
[14:22] <rick_h_> "all about the taxes"
[14:23] <jrwren> brousch: if those are the values you wish to instil in your child, then you are doing well.
[14:25] <brousch> We had a good talk about MLK too. Most of his friends are minorities, so he had a hard time believing segregation
[14:26] <jrwren> yeah, the next gen of kids are either really not going to get segregation, or they totally are.
[14:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: one can hope
[17:15] <rick_h_> oh boy, I found my first talk to heckle! https://us.pycon.org/2014/schedule/presentation/171/
[17:44] <cmaloney> rick_h_: now now, be nice.
[17:47] <rick_h_> cmaloney: but but but...why?
[17:49] <cmaloney> heh
[17:49] <cmaloney> Well, rick_h_ I think we need to have "the talk"
[17:50] <cmaloney> see, sometimes people on the Internet?
[17:50] <cmaloney> They're wrong
[17:50] <rick_h_> this isn't the internet!
[17:50] <cmaloney> I know.. I know... it's OK. Breathe.
[17:50] <rick_h_> it's real life :)
[17:50] <cmaloney> Well, then it's time for the other talk
[17:50] <cmaloney> see, sometimes people on the real life?
[17:50] <cmaloney> They're wrong
[17:50] <cmaloney> I know.. I know... it's OK. Breathe.
[17:51] <cmaloney> And sometimes they're so wrong that it hurts a little.
[17:51] <cmaloney> but that's OK.
[17:52] <cmaloney> we still love all the wrong people out there
[17:52] <cmaloney> and when they die God will send them where?
[17:52] <cmaloney> To hell. That's right. :)
[17:52] <rick_h_> lol
[17:53] <cmaloney> I'm glad we had this chat.
[17:59]  * rick_h_ does a happy dance http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui/juju-gui/trunk/files
[18:01] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Awesome!
[18:01] <cmaloney> So it's completely out of Launchpad?
[18:01] <rick_h_> nope, bugs/releases still in
[18:01] <cmaloney> But all of the dev is in github
[18:01] <rick_h_> which sucks because you can't "Fixes bug ###"
[18:02] <rick_h_> yea, all source it github
[18:02] <cmaloney> that's a hell of an achievement.
[18:02] <rick_h_> all devs using it there
[18:02] <cmaloney> rick_h_: feature request. ;)
[18:02] <rick_h_> hah
[19:28] <rick_h_> trevlar: the "pycon of woodworking" http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/woodworking-america-2014-save-dates
[19:29] <rick_h_> road trip!
[19:37] <trevlar> ooooh.. woodcon
[19:37] <rick_h_> get to try all the new fancy tools
[19:40] <cmaloney> wood-con?
[19:47] <brousch> How much wood would a wood-con con if a wood-con could con wood?
[19:48] <rick_h_> wooooooood!
[20:28] <rick_h_> ooooh, the front page of bookie is 2 says
[20:28] <rick_h_> days
[20:28] <rick_h_> usually 4 lately. Almost reaching more bookmarks per day than we show on the front page by default
[20:29] <trevlar> and none of them are by admin!
[20:30] <rick_h_> hah
[21:58] <brousch> cmaloney: New background for you http://i.imgur.com/o04Kekz.jpg
[22:14] <cmaloney> I have that one. :) It's awesome. ;)
[22:15] <cmaloney> Every time I look at that kit I see something new.
[22:17] <greg-g> a four piece kit is big enough for anyone
[22:17] <greg-g> (not counting symbols, I guess, but you only need 3 of those) ;)
[22:17] <greg-g> symbols? heh
[22:18] <cmaloney> greg-g: Some drummers can't even manage a 4 piece
[22:18] <cmaloney> and some drummers do amazing things with large kits
[22:18] <jrwren> ME!
[22:18] <cmaloney> depends on the drummer.
[22:18] <cmaloney> Terry Bozzio's kit I think is borderline overkill
[22:18] <cmaloney> but he uses it all
[22:19] <cmaloney> Eddie Van Halen could likely get by with a 5 piece.
[22:19] <greg-g> same with like Bobby Rock
[22:19] <cmaloney> and I'm being generous.
[22:19] <cmaloney> Or Rikki Rokkkkkkit.


[13:49] <morphis> cjwatson: was this proxy for snap builds on launchpad to access servers outside of launchpad disabled again? My builds are failing because of launchpad not being able to contact git.code.sf.net
[13:58] <cjwatson> morphis: No, it has not been disabled
[13:58] <morphis> cjwatson: then there is something wrong: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/270832182/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_i386_tpm_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:58] <morphis> ah could be again the problem that git:// isn't working
[13:59] <cjwatson> morphis: You must use http or https, not git
[13:59] <cjwatson> indeed
[13:59] <morphis> I see
[14:00] <cjwatson> I would not be opposed to somebody figuring out how to configure core.gitProxy so that it'd tunnel git:// requests over an HTTP proxy, but don't have time to work it out myself
[14:03] <morphis> cjwatson: aye, thanks a lot!


[09:21] <AmrRahmyUbuntuUs> hi, Can I ask a few questions?
[09:31] <AmrRahmyUbuntuUs> can I ask anyone about embedded device development


[05:37] <ubptgbot> Himanshu was added by: Himanshu
 Can I install Ubuntu touch on Asus zenfone 5 A501CG ?
 no, it needs to be ported for each specific device
 @Himanshu, No, at least for now. This is the list of supported devices
 Oh, hi NeKit :)
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Himanshu, and I believe that phone has a notch....I don't think UT can handle that already 😂
 @Javacookies, I have a 2014 model..the first zenfone 5
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mJd4aLYN.png
 oh okay...when 5 means the screen size....my bad
 i think there's a halium port for it, but ilya is more focused on KDE then UBports
 Also since this device uses an x86 processor, I don't think there is a suitable Ubuntu Touch rootfs for it at all.
[10:04] <ubptgbot> obiken was added by: obiken
 @obiken, Hi Сёма, welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Welcome @gcjordi !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available.
[10:38] <ubptgbot> Rajiv Prasad was added by: Rajiv Prasad
[10:39] <ubptgbot> <Rajiv Prasad> Hi guys, I am trying to install Ubuntu Touch using the UBPorts Installer on my Nexus 5. I am not able move beyond the Bootloader page. Any help?
 Hi Rajiv , welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
[10:41] <ubptgbot> <Rajiv Prasad> Thanks Vijay.
[10:41] <ubptgbot> <Rajiv Prasad> I need help installing Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5 phone.
[10:43] <ubptgbot> <Rajiv Prasad> I am not able to get the installation process beyond the BootLoader page after pressing the Power Button and Volume Down Button.
[10:44] <ubptgbot> <Rajiv Prasad> Also, I see SECURE BOOT - enabled & LOCK STATE - locked. Do you think this could be stopping the ubport installer from going past that screen?
 @Rajiv Prasad, Hi Rajiv, come to the Welcome & Install group to get help https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 Rajiv That's an official UBports channel
 Hello @all … I want to change one of my devices to 16.04 … Is dekko2 currently working under 16.04 ?
 @DanChapman can tell you for sure bu last thing I heard it's keep trying to start indefinitely
 [Edit] @DanChapman can tell you for sure but last thing I heard it's keep trying to start indefinitely
 It runs but there's issues with the mime parser. Something has changed in Qt5.9 and broken it.
 So some messages are not displaying the message body and attachments
 @advocatux, That's because whoever tried is using the vivid click 😉
 @DanChapman, Ah, perfect
 [Edit] So some (well most actuallY) messages are not displaying the message body and attachments
 @DanChapman thanks
 Now that I have your attention on Dekko 😜👍 … http://www.dekkoproject.org/get-involved/ … http://www.dekkoproject.org/donate/
 @Bolly, 😂
 I'm trying to port ubports to my galaxy s4, I finally managed to compile everything and telnet into it with hybris-boot.img
 just took me 4 days of work :P
 I guess it's easier if you know how everything works
 @DanChapman Is Dekko only for UT devices or is it also for desktop Ubuntu?
 @Alex, You can get help in the Halium, and in the porting groups. I assume you've checked this already … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/62 … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/59
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Fwd from Ubuntu/Ubuntu Touch: Марк Ша́ттлворт — основатель Canonical, руководит разработкой Ubuntu. Также он - второй космический турист. Его состояние составляет 150 миллионов фунтов стерлингов.  … #Ubuntufacts … #UbuntuTouchfacts
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Fwd from Ubuntu/Ubuntu Touch: Mark Shuttleworth is the founder of Canonical, directs the development of Ubuntu. He is also the second space tourist. His fortune is 150 million pounds sterling. … #Ubuntufacts … #UbuntuTouchfacts
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> (Photo, 267x379) https://irc.ubports.com/Rv0zJ4cH.png
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Fwd from Ubuntu/Ubuntu Touch: 25 апреля 2002 года Марк вышел в космос на борту космического корабля Союз ТМ 34. За путешествие Шаттлворт заплатил 20 миллионов долларов. … #Ubuntufacts … #UbuntuTouchfacts
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Fwd from Ubuntu/Ubuntu Touch: April 25, 2002 Mark went into space aboard the Soyuz TM spacecraft 34. During the trip, Shuttleworth paid $ 20 million. … #Ubuntufacts … #UbuntuTouchfacts
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> Fwd from Ubuntu/Ubuntu Touch: Космический корабль был запущен с космодрома Байконур, расположенного в Казахстане. … The spacecraft was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, located in Kazakhstan. … #Ubuntufacts … #UbuntuTouchfacts
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> (Photo, 1280x1038) https://irc.ubports.com/rn5uV6wp.png
[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Павел Алексеев> (Photo, 930x524) https://irc.ubports.com/duhX1YZY.png
 @UniversalSuperBox @wayneoutthere @advocatux spam
 Done
 Yes I've checked !
 I'm not there yet enough to contribute
 I hacked a lot of things
 Biggest issue was I needed g++6 instead of 7 to reduce a lot of the errors
 But I still editted a few files manually
 Also some sailfish os wiki helped me a lot
 Also because I'm dumb, I was trying to use the i9500 instead of the international version I have so I had to redo everything :p
 @Alex, Every device is different. Thats what many ppl dont believe but they will learn 😆
 Yes indeed, learn the hard way haha
 They just both look very similar visually but have nothing related to each other
 It's my first exposure to the android world and all of that is even more complex than I thought
 @Alex, Its not made to be simple. Its a dirtry hack from 0 to 100
 Time to market is important, code quality, documentation etc is not
 @dohbee, how do you insert code into the telegram chat?
 visually it's practical
 @Sconio, surround single line code with ` `test` … and muti-line with three `  … ```test```
 @Sconio, [Edit] surround single line code with   test` … and muti-line with three `  … ```test```
 @Sconio, [Edit] surround single line code with ` `test` … and muti-line with three `  … ```test```
 (Photo, 125x147) https://irc.ubports.com/wUJ9AsD8.png
 'ok'
 no, `, not '
 @Sconio, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_accent
 [Edit] `ok`
 `weird accent grave`
 `ok good`
 `On peut parler en Francais mais ne comprend pas le ponctuation` 😆
 `daccord, dans se cas c'est parfair
 [Edit] `daccord, dans se cas c'est parfait`
 😆
[13:14] <ubptgbot> 豌豆 铜 was added by: 豌豆 铜
 Welcome 豌豆 !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
[13:20] <ubptgbot> <豌豆 铜> I can also in this group it?
 @豌豆 铜, this group is for general discussion of ubports/ubuntu-touch. There's also @Ubports_Chinese if you'd like to join there
 is there any mirror appart from jenkins for ubports-touch.rootfs-xenial-armhf.tar.gz ? :P it downloads at ~30KB/s and I have another 3 hours before it finishes :P
 otherwise no big deal I'll wait
 you could grab the rootfs off the system-image server instead maybe
 Where is that ? Sorry I'm still a noob
 ah, must be https://system-image.ubports.com/ I guess
 yes, sorry
 @Alex, also http://cdimage.ubports.com/rootfs/ is easier
 ahhh perfect, thank you!
 it looks much much faster than jenkins
 howdy... just curious.  i get an email sent to me with voice mail from my office phone.  It's a .wav file.  When I open it I can choose what software to open it with.  I choose the media player but nothing plays.  When I go to my ubuntu desktop it opens and plays no problem... any idea what's up with that?
 Fwd from bhdouglass: Xenial support phase 1 now available on open-store.io! http://blog.bhdouglass.com/openstore/ubuntu-touch/2018/05/10/openstore-xenial-support.html
 @wayneoutthere, did it give you an error? granted, mediaplayer is designed to play video, not audio only. does it play other audio only files?
 We are out with new Terminal app tutorial, we will announce in Channel new later, here the the link: https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/terminal-chapter-4-125
 [Edit] We are out with new Terminal app tutorial, we will announce in Channel news later, here the link: https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/terminal-chapter-4-125
 The UBwriters team would like also to ask you the community what next app tutorial would you like like to see, thanks for your feedback
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/OT33iYlp.webp
 Nice 👍
 @milkor73 (and rest of the Team) good job!
 Thx a lot, and very sorry for one day delay, last minute improvements, but thx also to Filippo Scognamiglio
 he is not here but he is in other groups I will forward him your feedback
 @dohbee, i... don't know.  good point.  let me test a bit more the way the entire UT handles audio.  maybe it's a dekko2 issue
 well, i would probably guess not a dekko issue if you can open the file in another app (though dekko could just play it inline if it had a feature to do so)
 but if mediaplayer opens it should either play it or give an error dialog, i would think
 and it's definitely not just a wav full of silence?
 because it's totally awesome when people leave 2 minute long voice mails that are just silence
 @dohbee, i agree with your guess...
 @dohbee, hahaha.  i totally thought that it was *until today*.  before i assumed they were hangups but they weren't becasue today i knew it was a freight company and they always leave voice.  Sure enough from PC i heard message.
 (Sticker, 276x512) https://irc.ubports.com/aJQiDG59.webp
 @dohbee https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/591
 ?
 Trying to bring cups stuff to life
 I already added a printer on my phone, but not more
 For this we need some writable paths. You might know more about this? 😆
 `man writable-paths`
 i mean, makes sense. cups config has to be stored somewhere
 Ok so I can act on this ticket accordingly, and we just use the default paths its asking for
 seems fine to start with. try to add printer, see what fails, fix it. :P
 Printer added. Autodiscovered my hp 5800. Found a ppd (which I dont believe). Sounds awesome ^^
 Even the network discovery worked. amazing
 well, it should be roughly the same as it is on default ubuntu insall
 Which is pretty great tbh
 yeah. Now failed with the printer app. But will fix it tomorrow
[22:53] <dhasenan> Do click webapps require something special to support copy/paste?
 @dhasenan, Shouldn't if classic webapp anyway, don't know about the other style


[02:32] <InHisName> Evening
[02:42] <ChinnoDog> That it is.
[03:57]  * InHisName yawwwwwnnnnsss
[04:40] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: yawn
[04:55] <ChinnoDog> yawnville
[11:21] <rmg51> Morning
[13:12] <waltman> Foggy out, but I guess it should be morning by now.
[13:18] <waltman> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/continental-breakfast # what's going on in Asia?
[15:33] <JonathanD> Wheres antartica?
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> Bad punctuation and misspelling and only two words spoken.
[16:07] <waltman> Indeed. Well played!
[22:57] <ChinnoDog> @crickets


[03:37] <oski146> hello i need a functional cddb server for k3b. its not recongizing my cd and i dont want to use windows
[03:38] <oski146> esytag is aoutdated, and kid3 uses the same cddb server i think
[10:39] <bengan> Hi. due to an extended illness I seem to have missed the upgrade window from 21.10 to 22.04.1. do i have to do a full reinstall of ubuntustuio?
[11:00] <arraybolt3> bengan: Probably not. There's an EOL upgrades procedure.
[11:00] <arraybolt3> bengan: It is highly recommended that you back up all your data (including passwords in browsers and password managers) before attempting this.
[11:00] <arraybolt3> !eolupgrades
[11:01] <arraybolt3> (The very last link from the Ubottu bot will give you the instructions to upgrade your existing system.)
[11:04] <bengan> arraybolt3: great. I'll dig into that. thanks.
[11:04] <arraybolt3> bengan: Sure thing, glad to be able to help!
[14:26] <aki4649[m]> Hi. Can I upgrade Ubuntu studio's lowlatency kernel? A user of Ubuntu Studio in Japan have problem with installing Radeon Software for Linux which require linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-47-lowlatency but can't install with the install program. https://forums.ubuntulinux.jp/viewtopic.php?pid=124976#p124976
[14:27] <aki4649[m]>  * Hi. Can I upgrade Ubuntu studio's lowlatency kernel? A user of Ubuntu Studio in Japan have problem with installing Radeon Software for Linux which require linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-47-lowlatency but can't be install by the install program. https://forums.ubuntulinux.jp/viewtopic.php?pid=124976#p124976
[14:28] <aki4649[m]>  * Hi. Can I upgrade Ubuntu studio's lowlatency kernel? A user of Ubuntu Studio in Japan have problem with installing Radeon Software for Linux which require linux-modules-extra-5.15.0-47-lowlatency but can't be installed by the install program. https://forums.ubuntulinux.jp/viewtopic.php?pid=124976#p124976
[14:29] <Eickmeyer> aki4649[m]: FYI, every time you correct your post, it reposts to IRC, so now it looks like you've posted in IRC 3 times (this room is bridged to IRC on libera.chat)
[14:29] <Eickmeyer> Now, to the question at hand: what version of Ubuntu Studio are you running?
[14:30] <aki4649[m]> Eickmeyer: Thank you for telling me and sorry for posting 3 times.
[14:31] <aki4649[m]> Ubuntu Studio22.04
[14:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Lowlatency should be up to 5.15.0-48 now.
[14:33] <aki4649[m]> Please tell me how to upgrade.
[14:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> What does sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade tell you?
[14:34] <aki4649[m]> I'll tell him. Thank you.


[08:40] <lotuspsychje> https://9to5linux.com/debian-edu-11-bullseye-released-as-a-complete-linux-solution-for-schools
[09:55] <grey-matter> hello
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> welcome grey-matter
[09:57] <grey-matter> I am new to irc
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> grey-matter: you joined the ubuntu discuss channel, welcome to the community!
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> grey-matter: if there's anything we can help you with, let us know
[10:10] <theloserbd1> hello
[10:11] <theloserbd1> hello
[10:11] <theloserbd1> are you here ?
[10:13] <grey-matter> hi
[10:17] <grey-matter> hello
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu sunday support does that pay double? :p $$
[14:29] <tomreyn> twice the karma
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> yay
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> welcome Nitrousoxide
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> fire up your topic here if you like
[14:33] <Nitrousoxide> Will do, thank you.
[14:33] <Nitrousoxide> What’s are y’alls preferred pronunciation of Ubuntu?
[14:35] <TJ-> Nitrousoxide: ask Nelson Mandela... https://askubuntu.com/questions/34980/what-is-the-correct-pronunciation-of-ubuntu
[14:36] <Nitrousoxide> Well of course there’s a correct pronunciation but that doesnt mean its used by all haha
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> in dutch we pronounce it oo boon too
[14:37] <Nitrousoxide> that’s probably the most common one, right?
[14:38] <Nitrousoxide> I say you-boon-too
[14:38] <Nitrousoxide> More of like a shorter “you,” kinda like a “yuh”
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah i bet thats the US way 'you'
[14:40] <Nitrousoxide> You’re probably right, all of my friends and coworkers say it like that
[14:40] <TJ-> Nitrousoxide: Nelson Mandela's video was shipped on the original Ubuntu releases installer and desktop to teach us how to pronounce Ubuntu
[14:42] <Nitrousoxide> Oh wow
[14:42] <Nitrousoxide> Interesting piece of oo-bun-too lore
[14:49] <tomreyn> or desmond tutu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjdDOfTzbk
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> funny how some of my customers prounce it u bun tu, the first time they learn its existence
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> linux you say? never heared ot that
[14:54] <Nitrousoxide> Ly-Nux?
[14:54] <Nitrousoxide> Ive actually heard that one before
[15:19] <amacater> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linus-linux.ogg
[15:43] <TJ-> Just booted a 6.06 to find the Mandela video. It's in Desktop/Examples/ "Experience ubuntu.ogg"
[15:44] <TJ-> package is "example-content"
[15:46] <TJ-> Can be found in http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/example-content/example-content_21.tar.gz
[16:23] <tomreyn> haha
[16:35] <ducasse> in norwegian there's really only one way to pronounce ubuntu
[16:35] <ducasse> and linux
[16:49] <TJ-> "the correct way™"
[16:57] <ducasse> they both are :)
[18:10] <webchat47> Hello, is there anyone to help me? I have VirtualBox and in it I have a ubuntu server in which I have ssh port redirection on the host 2222 ports. I installed chromium in it, but I can't redirect to the HOST system .
[18:10] <webchat47> but dillo browser working
[18:12] <webchat47> error message : chromium
[18:12] <webchat47> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[18:12] <webchat47> [1939:1939:0815/180938.704898:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(1412)] Unable to open X display.
[18:35] <tomreyn> webchat47 got a response to this in #ubuntu-server


 Excuse me, how do I set the ubuntu touch camera resolution. Just like the sailfish:https://github.com/CancroSailors/droid-config-cancro/blob/master/sparse/etc/dconf/db/vendor.d/jolla-camera-hw.txt
 Can ubuntu touch set camera resolution?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/MjcJk2g8.png
 This is the best you'll get AFAIK
 @kuailexs, This is the best we have right now AFAIK. You can create a feature request for the camera app asking for it if this isnt' good enough though
 @amolith, And dont forget to tell that the list is scrollable, there might be more resolutions hidden 😆
 Open Store is dead?
 @FicsrealZ, OpenStore works here. From time to time Openstore needs close and new open to work.
 I did not update it. Sorry. It works now.
 @amolith, for xiaomi4 can not svae picture when i choose 16:9
 For ubuntu touch, where to modify this value?
 on camera app ,have 2 resolutions, 4:3 (13mp) and 16:9 (13mp)
 on camera app ,have two resolutions, 4:3 (13mp) and 16:9 (13mp)
[08:22] <ubptgbot> GiulioAvvi was added by: GiulioAvvi
 @GiulioAvvi, Hi Giulio, welcome! You can take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @kuailexs, Those are formats, not resolutions
 Always choose the native format of the sensor. You can edit later but you can never recover data that has been blanked off for a custom rectangle
[10:04] <ubptgbot> Meindert Osinga was added by: Meindert Osinga
 @Stereofont, Thanks for correcting
 Welcome Meindert !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[10:06] <ubptgbot> <Meindert Osinga> 👍
 Meindert going by your name, you might also be interested in https://t.me/UBports_NL
[10:23] <T-5> hi everyone!
[10:25] <T-5> I'm running ubuntu touch on my oneplus one. I'd like to compile and install my own kernel. Can someone point me to the kernel sources and some information where the kernel has to be put in order to get it working? i also have a second oneplus one running latest lineage os where i can extract the binary blobs from
 Although not strictly speaking Halium, you'd probably get better response in the Halium group on that question. https://t.me/halium
[10:35] <oerheks> T-5, touch runs on top of android, so no go to compile your kernel.. jsuta  kernel config.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/NewPorting#Kernel-1
 @oerheks, Of course you can compile your own kernel
 But it must be built with the android tools
[10:36] <T-5> i know that i have to include the android blobs
[10:37] <T-5> i also know how to build an android kernel
[10:38] <T-5> my questions are more like where to get the kernel config used for the currentl running ubuntu touch so it is as similar as possible and second questions is how i would install it
[10:38] <T-5> and not only the kernel config but also the source tree currently in use
[10:45] <T-5> ok, after looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/NewPorting#Kernel-1 I remeber having been there already. I have the impression that the version this talks about is outdated. is this correct?
 T-5, yes, that is outdated. https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 wait a sec
 I have no internet right now but I am going there
[12:03] <T-5> does the 16.04 version run on vanilla halium?
 @kuailexs, The camera app pull the resolution formats from the underling QCamera API  which my guess it talking to the libHybris (but i don't really know :/)
 @Flohack, Thats a good ISP: Stores the whole internet in a cache during downtimes
 @T-5, If you install it in the right way probably yes. But we are still unifying Halium boot with UT. Better ask in the Halium group
 @wayneoutthere, 😆 I am in a VPN, so no Internet, but Telegram works
[12:13] <T-5> @Flohack thanks, i'll dive deep... :)
 @T-5, I am not sure but here are our OPO repos: https://github.com/ubports/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=oneplus&type=&language=
 The device is oneplus-bacon-1 this I know. The kernel has 2 repos, the common and the specific one
 maybe msm8996-1 or msm8994-1
 @UniversalSuperBox wasnt ther another Org that held all the ported device stuff?
 On GH
[12:20] <T-5> neither msm8996-1 or msm8994-1 seems right, the bacon uses a snapdragon 801, don't know the msmXXXX code for that
 Ok then try oneplus_one_1 or whats the name, at the beginning
 @T-5, I found smth: https://github.com/ubports/build-scripts/blob/master/devices.xml
 This one is used on the build server
[13:13] <T-5> very cool, thanks @Flohack
[13:23] <T-5> so this is a part of the tree needed to build the complete kernel?
 @Flohack, halium?
[13:46] <T-5> ah, that makes sense.
[13:47] <T-5> i'm in the process of syncing the repo for halium, the next step will be device specific config in the halium howto... so i'm still waiting for this step to happen
 T-5, that is a repo manifest, You'd use that along with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to build our trees
 i'm curious. why do you want to build a custom kernel exactly?
[13:49] <T-5> i want to try a hack that enables me to charge the device while using usb otg
[13:50] <T-5> my oneplus one with the broken display is acting as a small web/mail/mysql/pyramid/nas-server now :)
 that requires a kernel change?
[13:51] <T-5> seems so. http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/kernel-power-otg-host-mod-t3201100
[13:51] <heth> hi! I'm glad touch is alive, horray! is there any official release after cannonical passed the project to UBports?
 Well, yeah... a few of them
[13:54] <heth> is convergence working in some form?
 Yes, you can connect supported devices to an external display. The Nexus 5 has native slimport out but there's a bug that prevents Libertine from working, so no desktop apps on it.
 Also no touchpad bug
 @dohbee, No, there was another "private" org for that 😆
[13:59] <heth> UniversalSuperBox, is that bug complicated?
 Well, it's been on the tracker since it was our tracker
[14:01] <heth> can I have a link for it?
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/223
[14:11] <heth> UniversalSuperBox, how is that related to convergence?
 That is not what I copied.
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/22
[14:15] <heth> I see.
[14:15] <heth> is it (will it be) hard to port 15.04/16.04 to 18.04?
[14:15] <heth> do you have a lot of things to rewrite for the base os to be upgraded
 That progress is tracked here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestones
 Specifically the Backlog and OTA-4 milestones.
 I'm personally more worried about apps being lost due to the upgrade, but we don't have a better option.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Apps will then be forced to catch up, which is what we need anyway right? As long as the necessity apps are working. And those apps are: … 0. … 1. … 2. … 3. … ...
[14:42] <heth> UniversalSuperBox, what kind of apps are those, the base apps, or one written specifically for uTouch?
 Any app which is compiled (AKA, not QML and JavaScript only) will be ABI incompatible
 @exar_kun, Core apps will be supported by us, however, any app developed by somebody else might fail
[14:54] <heth> I guess that should be expected. also when the android app container starts working properly people will have no problems with that.
[14:59] <heth> do apps have a mobile binary and a convergence binary, or it's only UI swapping?
 It's the same app, more space
[15:00] <heth> sounds good. do people usually code UI for both when they write apps for it?
 @heth, it's just apps reacting to the window size being different
 @heth, yes, you just handle layout changes in the APP Ui
[15:02] <heth> that's cool
[15:02] <heth> I can't stop imagining stop dragging my laptop/desktop everywhere and just bring my phone and use a monitor/kbd
 @heth, well, a 24" monitor is much harder to fit into a backpack
 @heth, No it will be the same problem as our apps are not android apps.
[15:05] <heth> dohbee, many places have monitors, no places have my data/os/setup
[15:05] <heth> flohack, I don't have android apps on my laptop and I use it just fine.
 @heth, So what was your comment about
[15:07] <heth> UniversalSuperBox, Thanks for the info! I with you this project gets proper traction and people finally start using some proper OS on their devices
[15:07] <heth> s/with/wish/
[15:09] <heth> the top phones now are like 2/3 of the performance of the average laptops, and that margin is only getting slimmer
[15:22] <Beton> so, 16.04 will use snap packages or it will stay on click packages?
 @Beton, It stays on click packages
 @Flohack, how do we communicate this to all maintainers?  Is there a communication system in OpenStore?
 Does anyone know if UT supports VPN config with IKEv2?
 @wayneoutthere, e-mail them?
 @amolith, is that something that works with OpenVPN?
 @dohbee, it would be great to automate that...
 @heth, by what measurement is this?
 @dohbee, I have no idea. I contacted Windscribe for assistance configuring UT's VPN and the reply I got was as follows: … Hi, … Does your device support IKEv2? If so, it would be much easier to configure through that protocol. … Thank you
 err, by what measurement are phones like 2/3 performance of laptops?
 @amolith, what's windscribe? a vpn service?
 @dohbee, Yes. Once of the best imo
 @dohbee, [Edit] Yes. One of the best imo
 @jonny, this...  i thought that there would be something setup where the 'account holder' of the maintainer of the app on OpenStore would have some way to receive urgent messages.
 routing all your traffic through some single endpoint is not what i would call "best" but ok
 "Config Generator - OpenVPN, IKEv2, SOCKS5"
 Tell them to buzz off and give you the config, @amolith ;)
 @wayneoutthere, well, there is a way to script it, but i guess it would need a little work to do
 although, maybe open-store doesn't have access to see the e-mail addresses of devs who logged in
 @UniversalSuperBox, Where do you see that? In the "Set up VPN" menu, the dropdown menu for "Type" isn't dropping down lol
 @amolith, https://windscribe.com/upgrade
 It's an advertised feature
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh lol
 I thought you meant you saw that on UT 😂
 oh i guess ikev2 is on ipsec
[17:20] <ubptgbot> Fermiau was added by: Fermiau
 @amolith, so just use their tool to get you the openvpn config, and use that config
 @dohbee, I've done that but you can't import a VPN config file. The only way I've found to use a VPN on UT is through the GUI menu system and that isn't normally provided by any VPN provider and I don't know what's what in the .ovpn file that's generated lol.
 @amolith, Is it an .ovpn file? There's tools to split it out. Yeah, we need to get support for those added. But it's certainly possible to manually add a config
 @amolith, Sounds like they want to have IPSEC - And I doubt this will work out of the box on UT
 it doesn't
[17:47] <heth> ubptgbot, browse any benchmark that reference mobile and x86 like https://browser.geekbench.com/ios-benchmarks
 i thought the 835 laptops were equal to the low-level pentium ones
 well ios devices can't run UT anyway
 @rogieroudshoorn, seems Snapdragon 845 is roughly equivalent to older and lower end mobile x86 CPUs
 @Fermiau, Hi Fer, welcome! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 so yeah, top end phones are close to low end laptops
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <Nic Wow> Except Rasberry Pi's. They are like low end phones.
[20:08] <ubptgbot> <Nic Wow> Or lowish phones
 @dohbee, that's the problem with Snapdragon 845 laptops though - they are priced premium, but have performance of lower end x86 CPUs
[20:11] <T-5>  <UniversalSuperBox> T-5, that is a repo manifest, You'd use that along with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to build our trees
 https://github.com/ubports/android
[20:12] <T-5> i tried to RTFM but i'm still confused :)
[20:13] <T-5> http://wiki.ubports.com/index.php/OnePlus_One_Build points to https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/
 I'm not sure that would have helped anyway...
 So, you need to initialize the repository using https://github.com/ubports/android
 And then place the devices manifest in your local manifests
 @NotKit, Are there any such laptops?
 with Windows 10
 I think there are with 835, but not 845 yet
[20:25] <T-5> i initialized the repo with the manifest from https://github.com/ubports/android
[20:25] <T-5> do i have to do "repo sync" now or "repo sync <someproject>" to avoid downloading unised stuff?
 I'd just sync it all
[20:28] <T-5> ok, thanks again!
[20:40] <ubptgbot> Gussi was added by: Gussi
 Hello
 @Gussi, welcome
 How is everyone doing today hope good
 Do you mind if I forward what you asked here, Gussi?
 [Edit] Do you mind if I forward what you said here, Gussi?
 Or you could lol. Either way
 I'm willing to port UT to the Galaxy Note 3 N9008 (China) and this phone has an unofficial support for both cm5.1 and Los14.1 and found a source at the github on Los but not on cm and was kinda wondering if I should use the 14.1 or the 5.1 .
 Thanks Amolith
 Second the halium tree source size I'm on limited network here and the unlimited is speed limited(14~30kb/s)  ...so I need to know the exact size so I can get a package to match the needs of the source. Tree
 many GB
 like somewhere in the 15-20GB range i think?
 OK saw  the 2gb device sources is there anymore downloads needed during the porting phase
 @Gussi, Strange use of the word 'unlimited'. Unlimited water at one drop per hour …
 Is there someone in your country who can help you with the downloads and send USB sticks maybe?
 Lol I'm saying what the carrier promoting but agreed
 @Stereofont, You can have it offline ! Nah I'm at Sudan and the only good network went from unlimited at low price to gbs at top dollar
 wow
 @Stereofont, Is there anything other than changing directory anything else?
 @amolith, Indeed
 Much respect to you for being so ambitious in such a difficult place
[22:12] <ubptgbot> bigcat4 was added by: bigcat4
 @bigcat4, Welcome, Mark! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room!


[00:30] <HowdyDoody> I setup my monitor to run on 75khz. Now it has change the refresh rate by itself to 83.3Khz and monitor refuses to display.   Is there a command line way to change the refresh rate of a monitor/card system ?  Ctrl-ALT-F3 gives me a prompt, but what to do to change refresh rate ?
[00:34] <waltman> HowdyDoody: These days I just let X autoconfig and let it use whatever refresh rate it wants to. Why do you want to use 75 khz?
[00:35] <HowdyDoody> Cause it was trying to use 60 and was blinky.
[00:36] <waltman> ah
[00:37] <waltman> Is it an old card and/or monitor?
[00:37] <HowdyDoody> Hmmm, may be mixing up my Hz and kHz     got 60 wanted 75 Hz and set it there.   Take out of screen saver mode later and get monitor message that can't display 83.3 kHz/300 Hz out of scan range
[00:39] <waltman> X reads a config file when it starts up, but trying to tweak the monitor settings there is nontrivial.
[00:39] <HowdyDoody> old Nvidia  uses 173 driver PNY nvidia GeForce 8500 GT
[00:40] <HowdyDoody> X used to read a config file until ubuntu took it out a couple or so versions ago.
[00:40] <waltman> Ah, then I *really* don't know the answer. :(
[00:41] <waltman> I was just trying to cover the simple  fixes, but it seems clear now that you're already aware of them.
[00:42] <waltman> Oh well, it's Friday night and also a Jewish holiday. Maybe someone will come around later who can help.
[00:42] <HowdyDoody> I used to tweek that x file until ubuntu took it away.
[00:43] <HowdyDoody> If you're Jewish, shouldn't you be offline since sundown ?
[00:43] <waltman> it's got to save the settings *somewhere* thought, right? :)
[00:43] <waltman> I'm not Jewish, hence not offline :)
[00:47] <HowdyDoody> (08:43:35 PM) waltman: it's got to save the settings *somewhere* thought, right? :)   <-- I thought so too back then, others said use Compiz or nvidia app.  But both are GUI.   Is there a command line to card -->do default, NOW !   Then I could go back to GUI to fix again.
[00:48] <waltman> sorry, I've exhausted all of my suggestions
[00:49] <HowdyDoody> bummer
[00:49] <HowdyDoody> What about the rest of you all ?  All sawin' zzzz's ?
[01:06] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: xrandr
[01:06] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[01:09] <HowdyDoody> $ xrandr    <--- can't open display
[01:11] <jedijf> ahh - alt ctl f7
[01:11] <jedijf> then open terminal
[01:11] <jedijf> you were in console, there is no X in 1-6 *console*
[01:23] <HowdyDoody> so xrandr only works on consoles with GUI running in them ?
[01:24] <HowdyDoody> $ mv ~/.config/monitorsd.xml ~/.config/monitorsdold.xml    instead of rm
[01:25] <HowdyDoody> That got gui working again.
[01:26] <HowdyDoody> ODD though the window for Pidgin is all grey, no text.   All other windows working ok.
[01:35] <HowdyDoody> After Loooongg while, Pidgin goes white for 3 seconds, then back to grey.
[05:36] <square-r00t> HowdyDoody: library issue or I/O load is my guess
[06:10] <HowdyDoody> square-r00t: I see InHisName is still in the room, that's the machine behaving grey/white cycles.  It is in some kind of overload like you suggested, but not enough to kick out my presence in the chat room yet.  Just for the practice of things, is there a way to fix it without terminating Pidgin and restarting it ?  Someday this may occur again and I may not have a duplicate cnx to all chats like myself in my backup machine
[06:30] <square-r00t> top
[06:30] <square-r00t> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coonass
[06:30] <square-r00t> that is... the wrong paste.
[06:30] <square-r00t> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_top.htm
[06:31] <square-r00t> for I/O stuff specifically, iotop is pretty handy. http://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/linux-iotop-simple-top-like-io-monitor/
[07:11] <HowdyDoody> top shows 1. pidgin, 2 firefox, 3. compiz, 4. xorg (mostly), 5. varies  with pidgin taking 99+% of cpu
[07:13] <HowdyDoody> sudo iotop --only, shows only firefox items (2) plus occasionally [jbd2/dm - numbers]
[07:13] <HowdyDoody> Is pidgin too far gone to save ?
[07:19] <square-r00t> it's still UP? yeah, kill it man
[07:19] <square-r00t> pkill pidgin
[07:19] <square-r00t> if it doesn't die, pkill -9 pidgin
[07:27] <HowdyDoody> wow, nother new command -->pkill   [07:27] <HowdyDoody> watch for InHisName to disappear for a few moments.
[07:28] <square-r00t> pkill lets you kill by program name instead of PID. :)
[07:29] <square-r00t> you can also use killall - on LINUX. on older bsd variants / other unices it does something entiiiiirely different.
[07:33] <square-r00t> if you need to run the command from the same machine in the future, you can either run it as one-off (alt+f2 if enabled in your DE) and run the command there, open a terminal (the command to open a terminal window in that shortcut alt+f2 box is gnome-terminal), or switch to a TTY if your entire DE is locked up (ctrl+alt+f1, login- alt+f7 is usually how to get back to your desktop interface. may be alt+f6, may be alt+f8, etc.)
[07:36] <InHisName> Mine is the f7 one when I want to switch back.
[07:36] <InHisName> It wasn't all that bad.  Missed out on 1 min 58 seconds worth of chat.    It plays old history last captured along with new stuff.
[07:37] <square-r00t> it usually will be f7, yeah. it can be f8, f9, etc. if X crashes but recovers
[07:39] <HowdyDoody> It's gettin' late, need my 2nd nap to finish sleeping, so's I wont be sleepy all day.
[08:47] <jackson> morning
[10:14] <rmg51> Morning
[11:02] <jedijf> square-r00t: for future assistance they get 6 consoles f1-6 all flavors ubu - good work
[11:42] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:22] <waltman> morning
[16:55] <HowdyDoody> Afternoon


[00:41] <Deithrian> kaffeine
[00:41] <Deithrian> wooops
[02:27] <drc> clear
[05:24] <lostson> so how impressed are we all gonna be with xubuntu 11.04
[06:00] <bazhang> lostson, #ubuntu+1 for natty please
[06:01] <lostson> wow really ?
[06:10] <gnewb> How do I prune,shorten and or remove log files?
[06:11] <gnewb> Is that a CLI /call?
[07:46] <ArisVer> How do i register my nick?
[07:46] <bazhang> !register | ArisVer
[07:47] <ArisVer> In this channel? Or the freenode net?
[07:47] <bazhang> #freenode
[10:48] <ArisVer> is there a memtest on 10.04lts?
[10:51] <TheSheep> afaik memtest is on every install cd
[10:53] <knome> yes
[10:57] <ArisVer> thanx, i used usb btw.
[12:59] <psalden> do I need to relog or so in order for the theme manager to recognize the newly placed theme properly
[12:59] <psalden> it seems right now only the gtk part is recognized
[12:59] <psalden> (can't just try and relog atm as I'm doing a huge download :P)
[13:00] <Sysi> window manager theme is set from window manager settings
[13:02] <Sysi> metacity or emerald themes dont work with xfwm
[13:03] <psalden> well yeah... thing is the themes apparently have a part for gtk+2 and xfwm4... it recognizes only themes with a gtk+2 dir and then applies like half of the theme, so I figured it's not recognizing the xfwm4 part
[13:03] <psalden> oh right, a different sppot in settings :)
[13:05] <Sysi> you are maybe missing some gtk-engine if themes don't work properly
[13:05] <psalden> nah I found out by your first statement... I need to apply the windows manager themes elsewhere, 'appearance' is not enough
[13:05] <psalden> so thanks :)
[13:05] <Sysi> np
[13:09] <psalden> damn, some of these themes are ugly :P
[13:11] <charlie-tca> Don t try Wildbrush
[13:11] <charlie-tca> It will cause your system to not log in to the desktop
[13:49] <Me_crying> bah cum se comporta xubuntu ?
[13:50] <TheSheep> !es
[13:50] <Me_crying> xubuntu work good ?
[13:50] <TheSheep> excellent
[13:50] <Me_crying> Hostname self-lookup failed.
[13:51] <Me_crying> how resolve this problem?
[13:51] <Me_crying> the psybnc work fine
[13:51] <Me_crying> i try run eggdrop
[13:51] <Me_crying> and tell me Hostname self-lookup failed.
[13:52] <TheSheep> I would ask on #eggdrop
[13:53] <TheSheep> looks like you have to configure it first
[13:53] <Me_crying> the eggdrop is settup correct
[13:53] <Me_crying> but something from shell not right
[13:53] <TheSheep> Me_crying: I found this, but can't understand it well: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2007/10/02/%23ubuntu-it.html
[13:54] <TheSheep> Me_crying: (look for 'self-lookup' on that page)
[13:54] <Me_crying> oke il visit now
[13:54] <TheSheep> Me_crying: http://www.egghelp.org/faq.htm#114
[13:54] <Me_crying> i knwo that he say i know italiano
[13:54] <Me_crying> ok
[14:06] <Me_crying> ok
[14:07] <Me_crying> i resolve problem  my brain was modified hostname on shell. now put it back and work great ok 10.x
[15:13] <nykur> hello, is this where one might find some xubuntu help?
[15:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[15:15] <nykur> nice, I was wondering about my update manager in natty, getting hash sum mismatch on the repositories. Haven't added any new though.
[15:25] <nykur> here is my error message at pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cqXdRKWH
[15:27] <charlie-tca> everything is updating pretty quick for natty, since we are trying to build final candidate images. I suspect you happened to hit right during a mirror update
[15:27] <charlie-tca> I would try again
[15:27] <nykur> my connection is fine and I have tried disabling and re-enabling repos. Also tried different servers
[15:27] <nykur> I had this yesterday as well
[15:28] <charlie-tca> getting it right now?
[15:28] <nykur> hang on...
[15:29] <nykur> charlie-tca: yes getting the same error now.
[15:30] <nykur> have the keys gotten messed up maybe?
[15:32] <charlie-tca> no, I think the mirror is out of date/in the middle of trying to sync. I use us.archive.ubuntu.com and it is fine
[15:32] <charlie-tca> Yours is is.archive.ubuntu.com and appears to be failing
[15:32] <nykur> I tried both my icelandic mirror and the main server, same results.
[15:32] <nykur> should i try the us one for now?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> weird, maybe the key is messed up, somehow
[15:33] <charlie-tca> sure, try the us one, just to see if that is it
[15:33] <nykur> must be, what's the cmmand agin to reimport it?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> sure, ask me that. I don't know the name. I change my lists manually in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:36] <charlie-tca> !sources
[15:37] <charlie-tca> does that tell?
[15:44] <nykur> charlie-tca: Changing to .us from .is seems to have solved this, will use that mirror until .is has been synced. Thanks:-)
[15:44] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:55] <scannie> hi. i'm running xubuntu beta on a netbook... i installed maximus so i get maximized-windows with no titlebar, it works great. however, when i close firefox and open it again, it gets maximized but with the titlebar. if unmaximize it and maximize it back again the titlebar gets removed as it should... any advice?
[15:57] <asfoz> hi. i'd like to install xubuntu 11.04 beta 2. will i have a lot of packages to upgrade after April 28 (xubuntu 11.04 stable comes out)
[15:58] <asfoz> ?
[15:58] <asfoz> and, after upgrade, my system will be clean as "normal" installation of 11.04-stable?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> If you install 11.04 daily, there will not be a lot of packages to upgrade and it will be clean
[16:08] <charlie-tca> !daily
[16:15] <asfoz> you mean http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ ;)
[16:15] <asfoz> ok, thanks for this information
[16:16] <asfoz> btw. xubuntu natty daily iso is 623MB, compared to beta2 684MB....
[16:16] <asfoz> they have throw out something?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> As changes are made, sizes change.
[16:17] <charlie-tca> If it is really important, you should check each image file by file for the differences, maybe.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> there have been about 100 or more changes a day since beta2, those are reflected in the final cd
[16:28] <asfoz> charlie-tca: nice, that's much. how do you personally think- will it be a lot of changes with these 5-6 days?
[16:29] <charlie-tca> If you install beta2, you should have more than 300 changes to upgrade
[16:29] <charlie-tca> if you install the daily image, there are no changes today
[16:30] <asfoz> yes I'm getting todays iso
[16:30] <asfoz> well, we will see when final release comes out.
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I would expect a couple of hours of upgrades with beta2 right now
[16:30] <charlie-tca> today's image may be the final image
[16:31] <charlie-tca> (may*
[16:31] <charlie-tca> * * may * * ; it is subject to change, of course.
[16:31] <asfoz> I just can't wait for that- have work to do. I'll install today's daily iso and just upgrade to final, if there will be any changes, as you say.
[16:32] <asfoz> yeah.
[16:53] <jrmy> ok ive got lucid i think its called how do i make it use my sound card and not my onboard?
[16:54] <jrmy> 10.04
[16:54] <jrmy> its obviously not a simple fix..
[16:55] <jrmy> and i guess even though you choose a sound card in alsamixer it doesnt actually pick the sound card.. which is working properly from what i can tell seeing as i can see it in the mixer
[16:56] <jrmy> i remember in ubuntu that you could select your soundcards idk why thats not a program in xubuntu
[16:58] <asfoz> just rmmod module for onboard card?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> then you should be able to use the same application in Xubuntu to select it
[17:07] <jrmy> but what if i want to use my onboard again?
[17:07] <jrmy> i dont liek that option
[17:09] <asfoz> charlie-tca: thanks for your help. going now to do a clean install
[17:09] <asfoz> see you around later
[17:09] <jrmy> or were you talking to me?
[17:15] <MK``> Hi guys is it possible for me to run the xubuntu desktop without restarting or closing other programs? Like, some terminal command to open it and close my current one?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> MK``: to start it, xfdesktop
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I don't know the command to close the one you have now, perhaps try task manager to kill it?
[17:16] <MK``> what do I kill though, metacity? gnome-session?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> What are you running?
[17:17] <MK``> normal ubuntu :)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> ouch
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I don't think you can then
[17:20] <charlie-tca> you have to replace compiz and unity with xfwm4 and xfdesktop
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I don't think it can be done without applications restarting
[17:20] <MK``> ok
[17:20] <MK``> lemme try it on another terminal
[17:21] <MK``> I am using gnome shell, not unity, btw
[17:25] <MK``> xfwm4 --replace properly replaced the window manager
[17:37] <MK``> well that was painful
[17:38] <MK``> I closed metacity and couldn't type, had to hack around and start it in this terminal from another
[17:38] <charlie-tca> from what I have seen, anuytho
[17:38] <charlie-tca> changing anything after gnome 3 is painful... got to reinstall just to remove it
[17:40] <MK``> well, I learned a lot :) how to disable and reenable window managers, just not desktop environments :P
[17:48] <pteague_work> any ideas as to how gmusicbrowser stores it's data?
[17:55] <drc> Nope, but it has a channel here #gmusicbrowser, and the dev is <usually> hanging out there.
[17:56] <pteague_work> k, thanks
[18:51] <theboywithtorn> So I pulled out my old toshiba laptop. It has a xubuntu 6.10 on it and the update manager doesn't upgrade and there is no cd drive on it anymore, so I need to upgrade manually.  Anyone willing to help me with this?
[18:52] <Sysi> how much ram does it have?
[18:54] <theboywithtorn> according to free, I have 154mb
[18:57] <Sysi> i would say not worth trying to get anything running with that
[18:59] <theboywithtorn> yeah I thought so, I think its best to run DSL on this instead. Thanks for the help anyways!
[19:51] <MK``> is there a difference in the files on cdimage.ubuntu.com and cdimages.ubuntu.com ?... or are the URLs both just an alias for another location
[19:55] <charlie-tca> both are the same place
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Near as I can tell, they are the same server
[19:55] <MK``> Alright thanks. It seems it also has internal aliases
[19:55] <MK``> like, releases/lucid/release is the same as releases/10.04/release, etc.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:56] <charlie-tca> so that whichever one you are used to, you get the right image
[19:57] <MK``> Alright, thanks
[19:57] <MK``> wanted to make sure I got the right disk images and md5sums
[19:59] <MK``> rather, I think lucid/ maps to 10.04.2/ :P
[20:51] <Thermi> gn8
[21:34] <arand> Anyone care to test the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/711571 ?
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Can anyone reliably reproduce the bug. I see it about one in 15 installs
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I have seen it enough to say, yes, it exists. I just can't make it happen reliably enough to say if it gets fixed or not.
[21:45]  * charlie-tca is asking in #xubuntu-devel too.
[21:46] <charlie-tca> arand: I see this thing lately on my upgrade tests in 64bit. It will about 3 hours to complete, but if it shows, I will test the patch
[21:48] <arand> Ok, I had someone in #ubuntu+1 pointing it out, since it was a simple thing to pull down the patch I jumped on it.
[21:48] <arand> I don't have a system to test on though..
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I have systems, I just can't get it happen often
[21:50] <charlie-tca> workaround is easy, too. Just logout and restart/shutdown from gdm
[21:51] <arand> Ok, hmm, upstream seemed to indicate it happening on logout as well, my wording in the changelog might not be completely accurate then..
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I saw jeromeg's note that he had a fix for it, though.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> We only see it on reboot and shutdown
[21:51] <arand> I madea debdiff of http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=bf07cc01b5457067303bdfad93433def548b6172
[21:52] <charlie-tca> but if I can reproduce the issue, I can try the patch. It just doesn't happen often for me.
[21:52] <charlie-tca> On my main machine, running natty since alpha1, it happens every two or three weeks
[21:52] <arand> Always a pain :/
[21:53] <charlie-tca> yup, but hard to then say it works
[21:54] <arand> I think the guy I spoke to had it happening more often, he had to run ut will hopefully be around to test it..
[21:54] <charlie-tca> All it does when it hits is log the user out. You are left at the GDM screen, and just have to click the shutdown icon there
[21:55] <charlie-tca> That would be good. I did thirty some installs for beta2 tests, and saw this issue one time
[21:57] <arand> Hmm, it seems rather different from other reports: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684188 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=115507 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361571
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I read those, and each one describes the same thing, reboot or shutdown results in sending the user to the login screen, where they can then shutdown or restart from.
[22:01] <arand> Hmm, the redhat one does, yea, but then again it claims it's happening consistently, and there seems to be yet some systems where it doesn't happen at all..
[22:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:03] <charlie-tca> but the workaround is so simple, it might be a zero-day sru if we can get it tested
[22:04] <arand> No chance to get it in before release by now then?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I don't know if we can get a freeze exception for it
[22:04] <charlie-tca> wait, universe is not frozen yet, is it?
[22:05] <arand> I have no idea.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I don't think we are, so, yes, there is a possibility
[22:05] <charlie-tca> main is frozen now, but universe is not yet
[22:33] <xubuntu452> hi everyone, I'm just instulling Xubuntu
[22:51] <f1assistance> will there be a 11.04 Xubuntu also released on the 28th or will it come later?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> it will be the same time as Ubuntu 11.04 releases
[23:16] <f1assistance> thanks!


[16:23] <qeole> Hello, I tried to send a patch set to the mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with git send-email, about one hour ago, and it does not show in the ML archives or in Patchwork (later emails do). Would anyone know if there is a way to check if (and why) the emails have been rejected by the server, please?
[16:25] <qeole> (Do you have to be subscribed to the ML to be able to post? I hadn't subscribed with the address I used to post the patches)
[16:44] <connor_k> qeole, I haven't tried sending an email to that list while unsubscribed. I once sent a patch to a mailing list I didn't subscribe to and I got an email back from the mail server saying that the email was being held until a moderator could check it because I wasn't a member of the list.
[16:46] <connor_k> I wonder if something similar happens for this list
[17:08] <qeole> connor_k: Thanks. Didn't receive any bounce, but ok. I subscribed with the email I use to post, I'll probably give it another try.
[18:13] <tomreyn> since 5.2 (and 5.1.17+) kernel-ppa builds are broken for amd64 since over a week now (no blaming intended!), is there some place where work on making them build properly can be followed?


[14:32] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hello, so I've finally installed 22.04, and now am trying to install the Ubuntu Studio stuff. Unfortunately, it's not going great:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d90b93928d7a5b4ea64f09b53b2e0bad73c90566>)
[14:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> ForeverNoob: It's hard to know what's going on for sure, but open a terminal and type `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/backports` for the same effect.
[14:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> Eickmeyer: It's not only the PPA, but if I also try to install anything else from `ubuntustudio-installer` (so like lowlatency kernel, or tweaks etc.) - It seems that it just does not recognize my password.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> ForeverNoob: I need to confirm something. Did you try it from the terminal? That will help me diagnose.
[14:43] <ForeverNoob[m]> Ok will do, meanwhile this was the install log: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1275018/
[14:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right now I'm seeing this: polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie
[14:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> That means there's something definitely wrong with your installation that is a bit over my head.
[14:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's not a problem with ubuntustudio-installer, that's a problem with policykit's configuration.
[14:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's an even deeper problem.
[14:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Everything in that log was completely normal and expected.
[14:44]  * ForeverNoob[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e84b41684a0176f1ba9fdf4c2a3e978c6e5f2dd9
[14:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> ForeverNoob: Did you see anything I just typed? It's not ubuntustudio-installer's issue. It's a deeper issue. Your system has a misconfiguration at a fundamental level.
[14:47] <ForeverNoob[m]> Ah ok, then I'll ask over at #ubuntu:libera.chat - Thought I'd try adding the PPA in terminal as you suggested.
[14:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm going to have to refer you to #ubuntu:libera.chat for this. You have a policykit misconfiguration ad indicated by `polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie`
[14:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> s/ad/as
[17:15] <ForeverNoob[m]> Eickmeyer: I just now did `sudo ubuntustudio-installer` and it installed everything just fine. Now all I have to do is reboot. Finger crossed 🤞
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: That's because you bypassed policykit which is the mechanism that asks for your password and ran ubuntustudio-installer as root. That's a security nightmare and you should NEVER do that!
[17:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> Oh :(
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> Your. System. Is. Broken. Reformat and reinstall.
[17:25] <ForeverNoob[m]> But I just spent a week installing this system -_-
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> What flavor of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> And, it shouldn't take a week. Ubiquity (the system installer) and Calamares (Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio's system installer) make it amazingly easy for the average user.
[17:27]  * arraybolt3 has flashbacks of installing KXStudio 14.04 on a system that really did not want to let me install it
[17:27] <arraybolt3> Sometimes hardware can be... difficult.
[17:28] <ForeverNoob[m]> I mean the installation went ok, it's just all of the little gotchas and broken stuff that I have been dealing with.
[17:28] <arraybolt3> Perhaps something you thought was broken was actually working right?
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> Your policykit being broken sounds like you followed a random instruction on the internet that broke it.
[17:29] <arraybolt3> ^ that
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that is a fundamental system component that you cannot afford to have broken.
[17:29] <arraybolt3> Never run random commands from the Internet unless you know exactly what they do.
[17:29] <ForeverNoob[m]> Haven't really touched anything relating to policykit though. Just a fresh Ubuntu Server install.
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> It's Ubuntu Server?
[17:29] <arraybolt3> (Or unless you trust the person giving you the command and they know exactly what it does.)
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> We don't support running a desktop environment on Ubuntu Server, let alone ubuntustudio-installer.
[17:30] <ForeverNoob[m]> arraybolt3: It's just little QoL stuff like... vim's clipboard not working and touchpad not being configured properly because on 22.04 it now uses `libinput` instead of Synaptics etc.
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> That's a situation where you BETTER know what you're doing.
[17:31] <arraybolt3> In that instance #ubuntu might be of more help. Your system isn't Ubuntu Studio, it's Ubuntu Server with components of Ubuntu Studio installed on it.
[17:31] <arraybolt3> Which is probably supported in #ubuntu, but not something we're going to be all that adept at handling.
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> That's just a completely unsupported situation from this flavor's scope.
[17:32] <ForeverNoob[m]> Eickmeyer: Wait what. It says it right here: https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/
[17:32] <ForeverNoob[m]> > Ubuntu Studio Installer can add Ubuntu Studio’s benefits to any installation of Ubuntu or its official flavors*
[17:32] <ForeverNoob[m]> > *Note: unofficial Ubuntu derivatives (those NOT listed as official flavors) are not supported
[17:32] <ForeverNoob[m]> Ubuntu Server is as official as it can get?
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Server is not listed in https://ubuntu.com/flavours
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[17:33] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu Server is not an Ubuntu flavor, though it is an official Ubuntu image.
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> Do not use what *I* wrote as a loophole.
[17:33] <ForeverNoob[m]> Nothing is listed there because it results in a 404
[17:33] <arraybolt3> lol
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> Second link, please.
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> Basically, don't argue with me, I wrote the doc.
[17:35] <ForeverNoob[m]> I just followed what it said on the tin. In fact Ubuntu Server can be considered more official than any other flavor because it's handled under the same org (Canonical)
[17:35] <arraybolt3> ForeverNoob[m]: You're missing the point.
[17:35] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu Server is not like the other official Ubuntu images.
[17:35] <ForeverNoob[m]> Then why not add an exception to that? Like "except ubuntu server"
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> Please, don't find a loophole here. I'm the lead of Ubuntu Studio. What I say goes here.
[17:36] <arraybolt3> And Ubuntu Server has never been an official flavor.
[17:36] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu and its official flavors means Ubuntu Desktop, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. Ubuntu Server is excluded because it is not what is usually meant by Ubuntu (which is Ubuntu Desktop), nor is it a flavor.
[17:37] <ForeverNoob[m]> I've just spent a week installing this thing and pulling my hair out because I followed the docs as it were written
[17:37] <arraybolt3> And installing Ubuntu Studio from the official ISO file won't work?
[17:37] <arraybolt3> I mean it's designed for a desktop use case, it's going to have 90% or more of the work done for you most likely.
[17:37] <ForeverNoob[m]> I didn't want the entire desktop and all the other fluff because my storage is very limited.
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> So, what you're saying is you have an unsupported system. I see.
[17:38] <arraybolt3> ForeverNoob[m]: Then why not start from Lubuntu and then add Ubuntu Studio Installer on top of that?
[17:38] <arraybolt3> That's officially supported, and will avoid a lot of fluff.
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> ^
[17:40] <ForeverNoob[m]> Lubuntu is still a desktop and has stuff I don't need. I just need i3 and that's it.
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> i3 isn't supported.
[17:40] <ForeverNoob[m]> Ok so you're telling me that even if you run an official flavor, and just change the DE (or WM) then suddenly it stops being supported?
[17:41] <arraybolt3> Not necessarily, but you have to have a full, *working* desktop install to start with in order to have things working right.
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> Well, it's not supported here. We don't support any desktop here other than KDE (or xfce for another month).
[17:41] <arraybolt3> Otherwise you end up missing bits and pieces that you really need.
[17:41] <ForeverNoob[m]> Oh btw, it says "Ubuntu Studio Installer can add Ubuntu Studio’s benefits to __any installation__ of Ubuntu or its official flavors"
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't convert the flavor to Ubuntu Studio.
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> That's not how it works.
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> It remains that flavor.
[17:42] <arraybolt3> ForeverNoob[m]: You could install Lubuntu, install i3, remove the apps you don't want and then build from there.
[17:43] <ForeverNoob[m]> arraybolt3: It would have been great if I had known this a week ago, but instead I just followed the docs and didn't considering bothering people here with my seemingly superfluous question.
[17:43] <ForeverNoob[m]> ForeverNoob[m]: So strongly consider changing this because as it stands this is pretty misleading.
[17:44] <arraybolt3> We're humans, we make mistakes. Maybe the docs were accidentally ambiguous. That doesn't change how things work, but it might mean the docs could use an update. I don't think I or Eickmeyer thought that someone would try to use a GUI installer program on an Ubuntu Server installation with a desktop installed on top.
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Bear in mind, it would still remain Lubuntu, but they wouldn't support i3.
[17:44] <arraybolt3> Though it would probably work.
[17:45] <arraybolt3> (And a Lubuntu+i3 config would be supported in #ubuntu, so you wouldn't be left without help.)
[17:51] <ForeverNoob[m]> I mean... is it really the fist time someone here tries to install stuff on a minimal system?
[17:52] <ForeverNoob[m]> So you don't support anything other than KDE (or XFCE for a while) but that's only pertaining to desktop stuff, right? If I had some audio issue it wouldn't really matter what DE or WM I would be running, correct?
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Actually, yes. This is the first time someone has tried this and run into these issues.
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Server is *completely* differently configured under the hood from the desktop systems. Everything from the file system to policykit is completely different.
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> It's not just a minimal system.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> If you go to #ubuntu-server (which is technically where you should be getting support at this point), they would tell you that everything you did is unsupported.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> That or highly unrecommended.
[17:55] <arraybolt3> And yes, I believe that if you used the Ubuntu Studio Installer on another flavor of Ubuntu (that is configured for desktop use), then the apps and the installer would be supported so long as problems you were encountering were not DE-specific.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> ^
[17:59] <ForeverNoob[m]> Ok so is there a way I could then do some kind of dist-upgrade to transform this system to an official flavour?
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Unfortunately, no. The configuration you got is something that happens at install time.
[18:01] <arraybolt3> On the bright side, when you do a fresh install with a desktop flavor, you won't have to do a lot of those fixes you were needing. For instance, Vim's clipboard should just work, and your touchpad configuration should be working out of the box.
[18:02] <arraybolt3> At least some of the fixes you were having to do were because you were trying to use a server install as a desktop. If you start with a desktop install, your life will likely be a lot easier.
[18:09] <ForeverNoob[m]> Then I might as well just try running Pipewire on this and see how far that gets me. Have heard that it makes for a relatively easier experience. Installing a new Ubuntu flavor on this machine will be difficult because all of the disks now have my backups or this running system.
[18:09] <ForeverNoob[m]> And still, the way the docs are written now is just misleading. It's like writing that all languages are welcome but in reality only certain dialects and accents are supported. I understand the need to cast a large net in order to attract a large user base, but this is the result of that, and perhaps a leading reason why users that prefer minimal systems go for distros like Arch or Void.
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Thanks for your feedback. However, it clearly points to https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours which makes your argument invalid.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Notice that's "Desktop Flavours" and does not list server.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Look at the URL. Closely.
[18:11] <arraybolt3> I think he's talking about the "any install of Ubuntu *or* it's flavors" part. Ubuntu Server technically is an installation of Ubuntu.
[18:12] <arraybolt3> It should be "any install of Ubuntu Desktop or an official Ubuntu flavor", perhaps?
[18:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> Eickmeyer: Again:
[18:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> >Ubuntu Studio Installer can add Ubuntu Studio’s benefits to __any__ installation of Ubuntu _or_ its official flavors*
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Do you want to keep arguing?
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Server does not qualify. I've said this.
[18:14] <ForeverNoob[m]> I'm pointing out things the same way you did.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Server is not considered an official flavor. Read the asterisk.
[18:15] <ForeverNoob[m]> arraybolt3: Or just list what systems are possible, and what systems are supported. Then users are in a much better position to make a choice.
[18:15] <arraybolt3> ForeverNoob[m]: No amount of arguing is going to change things. Whether the manual is poorly worded or not doesn't affect what is and is not supported. We're sorry, but this is not something we can help with. The fact that you put a lot of effort into doing something in a way that doesn't work doesn't mean we can now help with that. It is unfortunate, but this is how things are.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: Argument is over. What I say goes when Ubuntu Studio is concerned. Keep arguing, you're banned from here and will get NO support.
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu is a Meritocracy.
[18:16] <ForeverNoob[m]> Server is not an unofficial Ubuntu derivative though, but ok.
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> It's not an official flavor as defined by https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours.
[18:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> (it's between parentheses though)
[18:42] <learnOPENtechBEC> ForeverNoob:  You're right the Ubuntu Studio team could have worded that better. arraybolt3  did make a great suggestion on fixing this wording for others in the future.  Have you tried doing a live boot via a USB of Ubuntu Studio. This would make sure your system could handle and run things smoothly in the first case. I know you mentioned you didn't want a new DE? But that is kinda the point of a "Studio" It has all the software
[18:42] <learnOPENtechBEC> and environment put together to play nicely with each other? What kind of device is this? Desktop? Laptop?  Where do you live? I've got a 500GB HDD SATA drive I can send you way if the only thing holding your back from experiencing UbuntuStudio more disk space?
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m], learnOPENtechBEC: Doc updated, Ubuntu Server is now in the asterisk at the bottom of the doc.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> Literally *NOBODY* has assumed Ubuntu Server is included before.
 "Literally *NOBODY* has assumed..." <- I know many users (maybe most?) that think Ubuntu = Ubuntu (hence the many derivations based on it)
[22:49] <ForeverNoob[m]> FWIW I've managed to make RT audio work with qjackctl and PA. Signal audio and Audacity works as well, the rest is just minor QoL improvements.
 "ForeverNoob:  You're right the..." <- It's an old laptop (Thinkpad X220), but I'm accustomed to running i3 since most other DE's I've tried were too much for this machine (especially after a few days of uptime) - My primary purpose is to get RT audio working in order to run Bitwig Studio (also one of the major reasons I chose Ubuntu) - And then to record / playback audio via my audio interface.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> ForeverNoob[m]: There's a difference between Ubuntu "Flavor" and Ubuntu "Derivative." In Ubuntu, we use Flavor to mean those defined at the web link that I have given you ad nauseum now. So, since I am the person in charge of what Ubuntu Studio supports and what we don't, if you will drop this discussion.
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> *please drop
[22:57] <ForeverNoob[m]> Well I mean the docs have been updated, so hopefully it's clear not only to me now. And yes, you've also made it clear that it's your decision what US supports.


[02:08] <Muscovy> Any edits for http://openetherpad.org/7jAZk435OA ?
[02:17] <UndiFineD> At the exact moment /  Currently is my only suggestion
[02:32] <Muscovy> I'm feeling impatient, so I think we should start rolling this out in a few hours. :D
[02:35] <Omega> Muscovy: Mention that contributors are welcomed.
[02:35] <Muscovy> Good one.
[06:38] <Muscovy> The world is liable to explode tomorrow.
[06:38] <Muscovy> In a good way.
[16:37] <MichealH> Hey Muscovy
[16:37] <Omega> Hey guys.
[16:37] <MichealH> Hey Omega
[16:37] <Omega> :>
[16:37] <Muscovy> Hello.
[16:39] <MichealH> Muscovy: Check out the Beta site... Its SWEET!
[16:40] <MichealH> The Navigation gave me the most issues :/
[16:40] <Omega> 'introducing all new aspects of the Linux OS.'
[16:41] <MichealH> I dunno It was a test
[16:41] <Omega> Ah
[16:41] <Omega> New users won't know what a Linux OS is
[16:41] <MichealH> Can someone write up something for the Home Page?
[16:41] <Muscovy> I could.
[16:41] <MichealH> I will be adding a footer then BAM... Thats it really
[16:41] <MichealH> Muscovy: Great!
[16:42] <MichealH> ATM I only have the h2 tag working
[16:42] <MichealH> There is no h1 ( I dunno why I did that but yeah)
[16:43] <Muscovy> I'd make the fonts a little bit bigger if I were you.
[16:43] <MichealH> Kay
[16:44] <MichealH> Its 12 px atm
[16:44] <Muscovy> But I like the greyscale.
[16:44] <MichealH> what would you reccomed?
[16:44] <MichealH> 15px?
[16:44] <Muscovy> Probably 13/14.
[16:44] <Muscovy> What font is it?
[16:45] <MichealH> Arial
[16:45] <MichealH> Its now on 14px
[16:46] <MichealH> The grey is a nice #333 :)
[16:47] <MichealH> I could use the Ubuntu font?
[16:48] <MichealH> For Headings
[16:49] <Muscovy> I think that'd look nice.
[16:49] <Muscovy> When I did some reworking of the old site I made headings ubuntu and body freesans.
[16:50] <Muscovy> I'd keep arial as the backup font though.
[16:50] <Muscovy> Seeming as... ahem, certain browsers do not have ubuntu or freesans, or indeed many other fonts.
[16:53] <Muscovy> Thanks for doing this, MichealH. I'm not that great at html/css.
[17:56] <MichealH> Muscovy: No problem!
[18:06] <MichealH> Muscovy: Have you written the text for the homepage?
[18:08] <Muscovy> Not quite yet. :P
[18:09] <MichealH> :P
[18:09] <MichealH> HURRY UP ;
[18:09] <MichealH> *;)
[18:11] <MichealH> I was thinking that the Team Leaders should Blog on the site, whats your view?
[18:12] <Muscovy> I'm not sure.
[18:12] <Muscovy> We brought that up a while back, but we couldn't think of much to say.
[18:13] <MichealH> Im sure we will soon have lots to say!
[18:14] <MichealH> When people bring out tours and releases, we could/should blog about it.
[18:34] <Omega> I can finally tell everyone about my cat!
[18:34] <Omega> I need to get one first though.
[18:35] <MichealH> ;)
[18:36] <MichealH> I meant in terms of ubuntu tour
[18:37] <MichealH> My thing is now complete (ish)
[18:37] <MichealH> I think a blog will be nice
[18:37] <MichealH> A place for custom tours?
[18:38] <MichealH> Muscovy: ^^
[18:40] <Muscovy> XD
[18:40] <Muscovy> When we have stuff like that going on maybe.
[18:40] <Muscovy> And nice one, Omega.
[18:41] <MichealH> Muscovy: Check the beta site now!
[18:41] <MichealH> :D
[18:44] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[18:44] <Muscovy> I'd make the heading links bigger and fix that weird thing with the lineup of "Ubuntu Tour".
[18:44] <Muscovy> And I'd like to see some sort of light colour or the dots in the background.
[18:45] <Muscovy> But I like it. :D
[18:47] <MichealH> :D
[18:50] <MichealH> Fixed and Fixed.
[18:50] <MichealH> And going to fix xP
[18:53] <MichealH> Muscovy: All fixed.
[18:53] <MichealH> Now look
[18:56] <MichealH> Internet Explorer = Twat
[18:56] <MichealH> It dont work :(
[18:56] <MichealH> Chrome works though
[18:56] <Muscovy> Well nothing works in IE. :P
[18:56] <MichealH> :d
[18:56] <Muscovy> In the old site, the tabs worked badly in IE.
[18:56] <MichealH> Muscovy: Is that site good?
[18:56] <Muscovy> In the WII BROWSER they worked fine. :P
[18:56] <Muscovy> Well, no. :P
[18:56] <MichealH> Muscovy: Its seriously screwed up in IE
[18:57] <MichealH> IE = Fail at CSS
[18:57] <Muscovy> Ok, only criticism on this site, I'm not sure we need the bottom links.
[18:57] <Muscovy> I'd say either remove them or add lots more.
[18:57] <MichealH> Muscovy: Think of more pages to add :P
[18:57] <MichealH> Blog!
[18:57] <MichealH> XD
[18:58] <Muscovy> Oh, and "Ubuntu Tour" is still odd.
[18:58] <Muscovy> http://i.imgur.com/Y48ko.png
[19:00] <MichealH> Muscovy: We should add a Blog to make more footer links
[19:02] <MichealH> Muscovy: Try now
[19:05] <Muscovy> http://i.imgur.com/abf8h.png
[19:31] <MichealH> Omega: Check ot that beautiful Beta site now!
[19:31] <MichealH> *out
[23:05] <MichealH> Muscovy: When is our next meeting?
[23:05] <MichealH> Have we got one planned?
[23:06] <Omega> I don't think so
[23:06] <Omega> but we should plan one soon
[23:06] <Muscovy> Not yet, though we should have one soon.
[23:07] <MichealH> As being as I am a Project Leader should I set up a vote?
[23:07] <MichealH> What site is it that you use?
[23:08] <Omega> MichealH: The only problem is, you don't have anyone to lead :P
[23:08] <Muscovy> Sure you can se tone up, we need one soon.
[23:09] <Muscovy> I've always used doodle, not sure what other good sites there are.
[23:09] <MichealH> I can use doodle
[23:09] <Muscovy> Probably have at least one weekend day in the poll.
[23:09] <Muscovy> I generally do Fr/Sat or Sat/Sun, or Sun/Mon.
[23:10] <Muscovy> That was we can get the most people there.
[23:10] <MichealH> Omega: :O I can help be a organiser too? Im already the Website man ;)
[23:10] <Omega> Don't steal my do-nothing job :>
[23:10] <Omega> the man we should be thanking is Muscovy
[23:10] <MichealH> Muscovy: Understood, Thanks
[23:10] <Omega> He's done so much
[23:11] <MichealH> Yup
[23:11] <MichealH> I have plans too
[23:11] <Muscovy> :D
[23:11] <Muscovy> Plans are good.
[23:12] <MichealH> World Domination! Muwhahahahahahahahah I mean uhh... moo?
[23:12] <MichealH> xD
[23:12] <MichealH> Should I have +t in here?
[23:13] <Muscovy> Nope.
[23:13] <Muscovy> I don't think anyone's vandaized the topic yet.
[23:13] <Muscovy> And it's easier if people can just set it.
[23:14] <MichealH> Oh yeah the chans not +t My bad :P
[23:16] <MichealH> I could get an arrangement for us to use MootBot in #ubuntu-meeting
[23:17] <Muscovy> What's MootBot?
[23:18] <MichealH> Its a meeting bot
[23:18] <MichealH> I know how to drive her
[23:18] <Omega> Oh yeah.
[23:18] <MichealH> Wanna give it a shot and seehow it goes?
[23:19] <Omega> That's what I'm talking about.
[23:19] <MichealH> Omega seems to like the idea
[23:19] <MichealH> :)
[23:24] <MichealH> We can have it booked anytime Saturday or Sunday
[23:25] <MichealH> Uh Oh I hear Thunder :O
[23:27] <MichealH> Weird, Its been snowing how CAN it thunder?
[23:27] <Muscovy> Don't question the weather.
[23:27] <Muscovy> It does what it does. Sense is optional.
[23:27] <MichealH> Yup
[23:28] <MichealH> :S I dont like thunder
[23:28]  * MichealH hides
[23:28]  * MichealH shivers
[23:30] <MichealH> I think its gone
[23:30] <MichealH> :]
[23:31] <MichealH> Anyway...
[23:54] <MichealH> Viola!
[23:56] <Muscovy> MichealH, what is the first time on the calendar for you?
[23:56] <MichealH> Muscovy I did it :D
[23:56] <MichealH> Muscovy, huh?
[23:56] <Muscovy> I'm not sure if you got the time zones set up.
[23:57] <Muscovy> It looks like they're all for your time zone, not for each viewer.
[23:57] <MichealH> Uhh
[23:57] <MichealH> Oops
[23:57] <Muscovy> You don't happen to live on the west coast of North America, do you? :P
[23:57]  * MichealH fixes
[23:59] <MichealH> How do I fix?