[01:07] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, whats a linuxy term for "moderation tools"
[01:07] <wxl> akiva-thinkpad: what are you moderating? :)
[01:08] <akiva-thinkpad> subreddit
[01:08] <akiva-thinkpad> editting the stylesheet
[01:08] <wxl> hmmmm
[01:08] <wxl> i don't think there's a particularly linuxy term :)
[01:08] <akiva-thinkpad> well moderator sort of equals root
[01:09] <wxl> root, i.e. /?
[01:09] <wxl> so you're asking about tools to edit /?
[01:10] <akiva-thinkpad> yah something like that
[01:10] <wxl> um
[01:10] <wxl> sudo? :)
[01:10] <akiva-thinkpad> is there a sudo config?
[01:11] <wxl> well
[01:11] <wxl> all the global config files are not in home
[01:11] <wxl> so you need sudo access to edit them
[01:11] <akiva-thinkpad> Geepers #ubuntu is touchy
[01:11] <akiva-thinkpad> don't go asking anything in there
[01:11] <wxl> the channel? i wouldn't be surprised
[01:11] <wxl> i've been in there only a handful of times and found it generally not helpful
[01:11] <akiva-thinkpad> I got booted
[01:12] <wxl> hahha
[01:12] <wxl> what the hell did you do to deserve that?
[01:12] <akiva-thinkpad> I asked the same question I asked you
[01:12] <akiva-thinkpad> he said off topic
[01:12] <akiva-thinkpad> I said it was for the ubuntu subreddit
[01:12] <akiva-thinkpad> and then he booted me.
[01:12] <wxl> weird
[01:12] <wxl> maybe too many trolls for one day
[01:12] <akiva-thinkpad> yah sheesh; that is not nice though. he could pm me first or something
[01:19] <akiva-thinkpad> wow; banned from #ubuntu
[02:01] <akiva-thinkpad> Serves me right :P  In their defense; "A linuxy word for moderation tools" is pretty off topic
[02:01] <akiva-thinkpad> wxl, so you ready to move to the next step? Or have you gone ahead without me?
[02:02] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, in regards to runnnig tests within the SDK, i reported this a while back bug 1269892
[02:03] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, oh cool
[02:03]  * akiva-thinkpad upvotes it
[04:49] <wxl> akiva-thinkpad: sorry work called and then i left :)
[10:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Shopping Reminder Day! :-D
[13:07] <brendand> nik90_, did you know that the bottom edge tip only appears after the main page has fully loaded? (clock app)
[13:40] <brendand> nik90_, are you still using a custom version of PageWithBottomEdge?
[14:19] <rpadovani> brendand, why, there is an official one?
[14:21] <ahayzen> rpadovani, the one in the contacts app is the 'official' one, no?
[14:21] <rpadovani> ahayzen, I think so, afaik it's the one nik90 uses (and we in reminders too)
[14:22] <ahayzen> rpadovani, yeah thats the one i based our prototype off as well and where we got the base of our ListItemWithActions
[14:22] <rpadovani> ahayzen, I think we all steal like everything from the contacts app components :P
[14:22] <ahayzen> rpadovani, yep :) i think everyone else does as well :)
[14:23] <rpadovani> browsers uses / will use  ListItemWithActions for History :)
[14:24] <ahayzen> rpadovani, other apps (like Dialer) seem to actually import the contacts folder and then use things like PageWithBottomEdge.. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/dialer-app/trunk/view/head:/src/qml/DialerPage/DialerPage.qml#L24
[14:24] <ahayzen> rpadovani, i guess they've just put them all in one app so all the other apps can easily access them
[14:25] <rpadovani> so I'm curious what brendand is referring to
[14:25] <brendand> rpadovani, clock app has a PageWithBottomEdge.qml in its source tree
[14:25] <brendand> rpadovani, the code is almost the same as the one in address-book-app
[14:25] <ahayzen> yeah idk, unless nik has tweaked it like we usually have to as they do't quite meet our needs usually
[14:26] <rpadovani> brendand, there is another way to implement it other than import it in the source tree?
[14:27] <mihir> even we're using the custom one.
[14:28] <mihir> in calendar app
[14:28] <mihir> rpadovani: importing works , but if they change something will impact your application and it MIGHT break it.
[14:28] <ahayzen> +
[14:28] <ahayzen> 1
[14:28] <ahayzen> and we usually need to tweak/add things anyway
[14:29] <rpadovani> yes, we too
[14:30] <rpadovani> I'm bit confusing, I lost the sense of this conversation, lol
[14:30] <mihir> so it is advisable to just copy the latest source from address-book app and put in your project
[14:32] <ahayzen> rpadovani, i think you were wondering why brendand was curious if nik was using a custom version of PageWithBottomEdge ?
[14:33] <mihir> and as i have read conversation previously and nodded by rentu , this will eventually be part of SDK (Not confirmed)
[14:35] <t1mp> mihir: yes, we will eventually add more functionality for bottom-edge behavior (in addition to the current Panel component) to the UITK
[14:35] <t1mp> mihir: but I don't know yet when is eventually, probably not in 2014
[14:35] <mihir> rpadovani: ahayzen ^^^
[14:35] <ahayzen> \o/
[14:35]  * mihir t1mp: yeah i was informed by renetu regarding this.
[14:36] <ahayzen> and we'll get the new listitems soon :)
[14:36] <ahayzen> ...and eventually reordering :) ..then a *lot* of custom code can die
[14:36] <t1mp> but we don't want to limit the imagination of the app developers by suggesting that they should use some kind of pre-defined bottom-edge behavior
[14:37] <t1mp> ahayzen: true, zsombi has a lot of code for the new list items that I am still reviewing. But that is something that you may expect in 2014 :)
[14:37] <ahayzen> t1mp, would be great to see that :)
[14:38] <t1mp> ahayzen: look at all the MRs starting with numbers here https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+activereviews they are for the list items
[14:38] <t1mp> I am reviewing 45- now, still a bunch to go :)
[14:38] <ahayzen> \o/
[14:40] <ahayzen> t1mp, is this bug 1195353 likely to be fixed in the first round or a future one? as we have basic reordering in music at the moment
[14:41] <t1mp> ahayzen: not in the first bunch of MRs that will land, I'm not sure about the second set of MRs
[14:41] <t1mp> zsombi: ^
[14:41] <zsombi> t1mp: ahayzen: that needs more than just a ListItem support
[14:42] <zsombi> t1mp: ahayzen: it also needs support from the ListView, so we either provide some custom ListView or will try to figure out how an attached property could do the job
[14:43] <zsombi> so not the first round, sorry
[14:43] <t1mp> ahayzen: how does the music app do it?
[14:43] <ahayzen> zsombi, no worries we can keep our custom implementation over the top
[14:44] <ahayzen> t1mp, slightly hacky but it works... it freezes the listview... then you drag the listitem up/down then on release it calc's where it should land and calls the move
[14:44] <ahayzen> t1mp, limitation is that it doesn't allow you to move items out of the current viewport
[14:45] <t1mp> ahayzen: hmm.. would it be easy to detect when you are holding the dragged list item near the top of the view, and scroll the listview depending on that?
[14:45] <ahayzen> t1mp, probably... but when i built this was when we had differring listitem heights which caused some fun shall we say
[14:46] <ahayzen> now they are all the same i should probably look at it again
[14:46] <zsombi> ahayzen: you can do move them out, and the ListView will scroll, but you need a fake item you use for that, and you may also need animations dor the displaceds
[14:47] <ahayzen> oh yeah otherwise it gets destoryed as well that was the other thing :)
[14:47] <zsombi> ahayzen: but yeah, similar to that is needed by us to provide
[14:47] <zsombi> yep
[14:47] <t1mp> zsombi: basically we just need to have a property bool reorder in UbuntuListView and we're done ;)
[14:47] <ahayzen> i should really look at this again as i did it ages ago when i had less understanding of things
[14:47] <zsombi> t1mp: aha... if that would be that easy...
[14:47] <t1mp> zsombi: all the rest are just implementation details >;p
[14:48] <zsombi> haha
[14:49] <ahayzen> tbh i don't think much of ours goes up the listview much now as we piggy back the multiselect mode from ListItemWithActions
[14:50] <ahayzen> we just have a reorderable property and a onReorder signal
[14:50] <ahayzen> but to do it properly may be more complex ;) lol
[14:52] <ahayzen> zsombi, are you using async loaders for the listitem actions? as we found that increased the performance quite a bit?
[14:52] <zsombi> ahayzen: ;)
[14:52] <zsombi> ahayzen: no, we load them only when needed, so when you swipe
[14:53] <zsombi> ahayzen: also, you can share the actions panel between ListItems
[14:53] <ahayzen> ah cool :) ... we ended up tweaking the ListItemWithActions quite a bit lol
[14:54] <zsombi> ahayzen: yes, and can get few milisecs more, but the problem is that by simply declaring an item inside the other one, that increases the creation time quite a bit
[14:55] <ahayzen> yeah :/ we did loads of things to the listitem and our delegate and managed to reduce the time for each delegate from ~160ms->15-20ms :) thanks to florians help :)
[15:37] <nerochiaro> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/camera-app/photo-editor/ and https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-ui-extras/photo-editor
[15:38] <bfiller> nerochiaro: thanks
[15:38] <nerochiaro> bfiller: i mostly tested on desktop so far, there might be some things that are still a bit broken on devices
[15:38] <mzanetti> rpadovani: do you know if swordfish is around sometimes here?
[15:43] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I see him sometimes, but if you need him I have his phone number
[15:44] <mzanetti> I don't *need* him. just wanted to show him this: http://i.imgur.com/jdjHlVk.jpg
[15:45] <rpadovani> mzanetti, you probably can find him on google hangouts
[16:25] <nerochiaro> bfiller: and work in progress for the work on the gallery here: ~phablet-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-photo-editor/
[16:25] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: ^
[16:25] <bfiller> nerochiaro: thanks, please make sure to test on the device
[16:26] <nerochiaro> bfiller: will do. am I right in assuming that the ubuntu-ui-extras package is always installed in the image, the same way the ubuntu-ui-toolkit is ?
[16:26] <bfiller> nerochiaro: that is fine
[16:26] <bfiller> nerochiaro: we will add it to the seed
[16:37] <nik90_> brendand: that's known (bottom edge  is revealed only after the main clock page is fully loaded)
[16:37] <nik90_> brendand: it was done to improve the startup performance...the AP tests have already been updated to take into account of that
[16:37] <brendand> nik90_, have they?
[16:37] <nik90_> brendand: they wait for the bottom edge to be visible before trying to grab them
[16:38] <nik90_> brendand: yes, otherwise that performance patch will never have been merged to trunk
[16:38] <brendand> nik90_, i don't think it was done properly
[16:38] <nik90_> brendand: it is a simple wait_for(bottomedge property visible to be true)
[16:38] <brendand> nik90_, that's not what's in trunk
[16:38] <nik90_> pretty sure it is since I wrote that test
[16:38] <nik90_> let me find it
[16:38] <brendand> nik90_, that's what i just proposed a merge to fix
[16:39] <brendand> nik90_, in trunk it's doing:
[16:39] <brendand> 8	-            action_item.hiden.wait_for(False)
[16:39] <brendand> 9	-            action_item.enabled.wait_for(True)
[16:39] <brendand> which doesn't work
[16:40] <nik90_> why doesnt that work?
[16:40] <nik90_> that's something I copied from address book
[16:40] <brendand> nik90_, yeah it works for them because they load the bottom edge immediately
[16:40] <nik90_> it waits for bottom edge hidden property to be false
[16:40] <brendand> nik90_, so it's pure coincidence
[16:40] <brendand> nik90_, i'm not 100% on why it doesn't work, i don't know enough about the PageWithBottomEdge component
[16:41] <nik90_> brendand: ah ok...I just saw your merge proposal
[16:42] <nik90_> brendand: I think I may have a clue as to why it fails
[16:43] <nik90_> so when I enable bottomedge, it has an slide in animation...maybe ap is trying to pull on the edge while that animation is still happening causing a hit and miss
[16:43] <brendand> nik90_, well it does wait for the animation to finish
[16:43] <nik90_> I have not been able to reproduce the failure on my laptop as also proved by jenkins which always passed
[16:43] <brendand> nik90_, or try to anyway
[16:43] <brendand> nik90_, well that could just be luck with the timing
[16:43] <brendand> nik90_, on device it always fails
[16:44] <nik90_> well not really..since the enabled property could be true while the animation is still happening
[16:44] <nik90_> I guess...although passing for weeks now is not luck :D
[16:44] <brendand> nik90_, what's the purpose of 'action_item.isAnimating.wait_for(False)'
[16:45] <nik90_> ooh that I added (and forgot about it)
[16:45] <nik90_> so it does take care of the animation
[16:47] <nik90_> brendand: do you need me to top-approve? or elopio, do you want to do it ^^ ?
[16:48] <brendand> nik90_, waiting for the jenkins tests to run
[16:48] <nik90_> ack.
[16:49] <nik90_> hmm it has been waiting for an hour
[16:49] <nik90_> that's strange
[17:36] <beuno> jdstrand, FWIW, review scripts @ r298 in the store
[18:07] <jdstrand> beuno: cool, thanks
[18:09] <mihir> rpadovani: around ?
[18:10] <rpadovani> mihir,  skype, 15 min
[18:10] <mihir> rpadovani: just wanted to discuss regarding Calculator , no hurry. Ping me if I am available.
[18:33] <rpadovani> mihir, o/
[18:35] <Letozaf_> popey, hey! I have to go away this evening but didn't want to miss filemanager app meeting, at what time is it ? I will try to be on IRC
[20:09] <balloons> mihir, you about?
[23:12] <aquarius> mhall119, ping?


[09:52] <jtv> rvba, if you want to see my workaround for the BooleanField problem: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/bug-1374388/+merge/236291
[09:52] <rvba> jtv: okay, I'll review this right now.
[09:55] <jtv> Thanks.
[10:01] <jtv> rvba: I'm just pushing some improvements to the comment that explains it all.
[10:02] <rvba> jtv: just approved the branch but I suggested an improvement that could help us generalize this fix, see my inline comment…
[10:02] <jtv> Great.
[10:12] <jtv> rvba: how do I add a field to the UI form without also getting it as part of an API form submission?
[10:15] <rvba> jtv: add a mixin on top of the form that is used in the UI.
[10:17] <jtv> But what form is it that's used in the UI and not in the API?
[10:25] <rvba> jtv: I'm thinking about adding a hierarchy of forms where the UI uses the base form (the one used by the API) + a mixin that add the 'ui-specific' hidden field.
[10:26] <rvba> adds*
[10:27] <rvba> jtv: does that make sense?
[10:27]  * jtv cringes at the thought of yet more mixins
[10:28] <jtv> I do see the argument against doing it from the templates though.
[10:29] <rvba> We could probably avoid doing this with a mixin…
[10:29] <rvba> We could have this logic (add the 'ui-specific' field) in a base view class.
[10:30] <rvba> i.e. our own version of Django's django.views.generic.edit.ProcessFormView
[10:32] <jtv> How would we make use of that new view?
[10:33] <jtv> I don't see any use of ProcessFormView in our node views at the moment... is a base class for some other class we use?
[10:33] <rvba> Our views NodeListView, etc would derive from it instead of django.views.generic.edit.ProcessFormView.
[10:35] <jtv> What I'm asking is: AFAICT the views for which we need this don't derive from ProcessFormView, so how does this help them?
[10:36] <jtv> UpdateView.  That's the one we want, I think?
[10:36] <rvba> The views for which we need this *do* derive from ProcessFormView, but indirectly…
[10:36] <rvba> NodeView → UpdateView → ProcessFormView.
[10:37] <jtv> How do you change the last step in that chain without a mixin?
[10:37] <rvba> I know, this isn't possible without a mixin.
[10:37] <jtv> Right.
[10:37] <rvba> Either we change UpdateView (like you said) or we use a mixin.
[10:37] <jtv> I think UpdateView would be fine — because the problem is specific to model forms.
[10:38] <rvba> True.
[10:38] <jtv> Can we just add a field there and have it show up in UI-originated form submissions?
[10:39] <jtv> Or were you thinking to change get_form_class?
[10:39] <rvba> Well, the view itself isn't the form.  It's in charge of building the form.
[10:39] <rvba> Yeah, that's what I had in mind.
[10:52] <Ditma> Hello, is someone here who can help me out with creating a custom boot image?
[10:58] <jtv> Ditma: blake_r is probably your best bet right now, but he won't be in yet.
[10:58] <Ditma> jtv: allright thanks. I think i will try to contact him later then.
[11:00] <jtv> OK
[11:06] <jtv> allenap: I did have a question about OS support that you might know answers to, actually... any chance of a quick chat?
[11:08] <allenap> jtv: Sure.
[11:08] <jtv> Thanks.
[11:21] <jtv> allenap: conflict in your branch.  :(
[11:21] <allenap> jtv: Ta, I’ll fix that.
[11:23] <allenap> Done.
[14:08] <Ditma> Is someone online who made some experiences with MAAS and link aggregation?
[15:00] <rick_h_> hello all, I'm running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1350925 it appears and there's reference for trying the 'release candidate' is there a ppa or something I can get that from?


    Ya'll are only making things worse
[01:24] <woekele> he looks pretty cool
[01:24] <Changlinn> heheh
[01:24] <Cyorxamp> hehe
[01:24] <Cyorxamp> Well I am... but the ops arnt
[01:24] <Cyorxamp> So this is pay back
[01:24] <Cyorxamp> A very childish attempt at least
[01:24] <Cyorxamp> btw your all gay
[01:24] <woekele> is he still talking? I wanna know if my ignore works.
[01:25] <MatthewV> woekele, it does
[01:25] <numist> ok, this is silly
[01:25] <woekele> ok, it works ^^
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> numist it is
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> get someone to ban me!
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> because your GAY!
[01:25] <numist> *sigh*
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> infact!
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> you know what would be better?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> numist: #ubuntu-bugs as well
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> getting k-lined :P
[01:25] <numist> great
[01:25] <Cyorxamp> gnomefreak come on!
[01:25] <numist> gnomefreak: where are the normaly #ubuntu ops?
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> anyone know a freenode op?
[01:26] <numist> I need to talk with one of them, I'd rather not step on too many toes
[01:26] <gnomefreak> we dont have access to all channels :(
[01:26] <Hawkwind> numist: They aren't around at the moment
[01:26] <Hawkwind> numist: We are ops
[01:26] <numist> gnomefreak: do you authorize me to quiet him?
[01:26] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:26] <Hawkwind> numist: Yes
[01:26] <numist> Hawkwind: I didnt see you on the list
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> come on Hawkwind and gnomefreak... ban me!
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> Your gay!
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> yey!
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> Ban not kick!
[01:26] <Hawkwind> numist: But he's got proxies so he'll just return
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> and a good ban
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> I can get around weak bans
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> hmm... try again
[01:26] <Cyorxamp> theres a ]  at the end :P
[01:27] <numist> hah pwned
[01:27] <Fujitsu> numist: -bugs too, please.
[01:27] <Fujitsu> (thanks a lot!)
[01:27] <LjL> i think he's trying to get plus.net banned from as many places as possible, so that people will complain.
[01:27] <pygi> LjL: you are right ^_^
[01:27] <pygi> And long time no see ^_^
[01:27] <lupine_85> down with plusnet ;)
[01:28] <LjL> heh
[01:28] <Changlinn> send his isp an email to their abuse address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:28] <numist> I'll hang out for a while.  if there are problems, have an #ubuntu op hilight me
[01:28] <profoX`> if he uses proxy's that's not so easy to do..
[01:29] <gnomefreak> numist: i will
[01:32] <lupine_85> 1x abuse email sent :)
[01:34] <LjL> he doesn't /whois anymore... for some reason =)
[01:35] <lupine_85> like it matters
[01:35] <lupine_85> I've got the #whois in my IRC logz :p
[01:36] <lupine_85> and s/he was on plusnet, ergo they probably keep everything just in case the government asks for it at some point,  anyway...
[01:36] <lupine_85> ah well, bed time for me
[05:11] <nixternal> [18:07:07]  <Cyorxamp> nixternal is gay
[05:11] <nixternal> damn, now i gotta confess i guess
[05:21] <numist> I'm going to assume that you guys are ok now.  msg me if anything comes up
[10:19] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 07 Nov 21:00: Technical Board
[12:20] <JonathanFerguson> @schedule Melbourne
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Melbourne: 08 Nov 07:00: Technical Board
[01:01] <YogSothoth> Hi
[01:02] <YogSothoth> Happy 6.10 Release! :-D
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Whee!
[01:04] <YogSothoth> I just had to reinstall 6.06 few days ago so I'll wait to reinstall again with 6.10. Or can I do a dis-upgrade to update from 6.04 to 6.10?
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> Should be able to dist-upgrade fine.
[01:07] <dholbach> or use     gksu "update-manager -c"
[01:07] <cjwatson> YogSothoth: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyUpgrades
[01:08] <cjwatson> rather, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[01:09] <YogSothoth> thanks!
[01:09] <YogSothoth> What's gksu?
[01:09] <cjwatson> privilege escalation wrapper for the desktop
[01:10] <cjwatson> man gksu
[01:10] <cjwatson> or apt-cache show gksu, for that matter
[01:10] <highvoltage> dholbach: shouldn't it be gksudo on Ubuntu?
[01:10] <cjwatson> highvoltage: gksu acts as gksudo now
[01:10] <YogSothoth> but I can use sudo. ie. sudo nautilus works. What's the difference?
[01:10] <cjwatson> YogSothoth: sudo will prompt on a terminal if it needs a password; gksu will prompt via a graphical dialog
[01:10] <highvoltage> cjwatson: ok, thanks for the tup
[01:11] <highvoltage> *tip
[01:11] <dholbach> highvoltage: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/udsparis2006/800_PICT0136 is so cool :)
[01:11] <YogSothoth> This page has not been updated for 6.10? http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
[01:12] <YogSothoth> cjwatson, oh ok! Marvellous :) It's what I needed
[01:12] <highvoltage> dholbach: hehe
[01:12] <cjwatson> highvoltage: it's controlled by /apps/gksu/sudo-mode in gconf
[01:12] <ajmitch> dholbach: haha
[01:13] <YogSothoth> Wow the Distribution Upgrade app is very clean!
[01:14] <dholbach> YogSothoth: mvo will be delighted to hear
[01:24] <YogSothoth> dholbach, who is mvo? Is he the app maintainer?
[01:26] <YogSothoth> That is just understable and usable. It just does the thing, but lets you know what it does. Smart. http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7051/ubuntudistupgradeto610ac0.png


[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: and now I can't recreate the crash that you fixed :(
[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: what is it about your patch that fixes it?
[12:25] <Riddell> it gives nice stripy boxes if nothing else of course
[12:30] <\sh> ok...short explanation
[12:30] <\sh> for choice in sorted(self.language_choice_map): caused the crash somehow
[12:30] <\sh> because language_choice_map is a dict and the value is an array
[12:31] <\sh> see component/language.py where this callback is called :)
[12:31] <\sh> choice in this case points to an array, which first item is a string somehow...so it was luck that it displayed an utf-8 string
[12:32] <\sh> I made now this: for key,value in self.language_choice_map.items():
[12:32] <\sh> which grabs the key, which is a unicode language indentifier...and this goes into the list...and looks now like this:http://linux.blogweb.de/uploads/ubiquity-language-selection.png
[12:33] <\sh> I produced with the next click another crash...but for this I have to dig deeper into the code
[12:53] <\sh> another cigarette and then "good night world...\sh has to sleep"
[12:58] <Riddell> night \sh, thanks for the fix
[12:58] <\sh> Riddell: question is, couldn't you reproduce the fix before or after the latest X updates?
[12:58] <sebas> That sounds really really wrong :)
[12:59] <Riddell> \sh: I've not done any recent X updates
[12:59] <\sh> Riddell: strange...me neither, and I have this crash all the time :)
[12:59] <\sh> sebas: what sounds wrong? :)
[01:00] <Riddell> \sh: oh I had it before, I just don't have it today.  bugs like to do that
[01:00] <\sh> Riddell: ok...then I'm happy that I can reproduce this strange behaviour :)
[01:01] <\sh> but I'm really looking into a better way to test this installer...livecd building at my place, qemu on amd64 and remote X display is really not nice
[01:03] <Riddell> \sh: I use my minimac and I don't have anything on it I care about
[01:03] <\sh> and later today I'll send you the fixed packages for sip/pyqt/pykde and you can decide if it's worth to go the UVF way :)
[01:04] <sebas> \sh: Riddell thanking for the "fix" :)
[01:04] <sebas> If you pull it out of the context, that is (which I did, of course :-)).
[01:04] <\sh> sebas: now I got it ;)
[01:05] <sebas> Ok :)
[01:05] <\sh> Riddell: well, when everything is setteled at my place here, moneywise, I'll think I will buy an apple intel powerbook...what I saw is really really nice, and it can run kubuntu on it...
[01:07] <sebas> And the core duo is really fast :)
[01:08] <\sh> actually, what's really funny, a kubuntu live cd in the emulator is faster then it's on this r200 laptop ;)
[01:09] <\sh> and you can play WoW as native mac os x app ;)
[01:10] <\sh> ok..going to bed..good night folks
[01:10] <kwwii> \sh: the cards themselves are not printed, but Julius has the plastic things and the pins, etc. as well as a color printer, so we will make them on-site
[01:11] <kwwii> oops
[01:11] <kwwii> too late
[01:11] <kwwii> oh well
[01:11] <kwwii> sleep well
[01:49] <Riddell> hi Mez
[02:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: bug 35995 has quite a few comments
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35995 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kio_tar and kio_zip not used automatically" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35995
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: reading
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: those kparts are hidden in the konqueror's associations preference
[03:02] <Tonio_>  /usr/share/services/ark_part.desktop -> hidden=true activated
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems it could be interesting changing this to allow people coming back to default config easier don't you think ?
[03:02] <Tonio_> s/default/original
[03:03] <Riddell> yes
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think we removed that for a good reason, but it is to complicated for users to change this if they want...
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to sleep now, but I'll look carefully tomorrow to try to find the right way to manage this
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: good night :)
[03:16] <Riddell> pradeepto: pastebin?
[03:36] <Riddell> Sime: new systemsettings looking lovely, uploaded
[09:26] <abattoir> Are there any Summer of Code mentors here ?
[09:26] <abattoir> for Kubuntu
[11:03] <allee> raphink: ping
[11:03] <raphink> pong
[11:04] <allee> hi
[11:04] <raphink> hi allee
[11:04] <raphink> you going to LT?
[11:04] <allee> raphink: you added a patch from svn to digikam.  I will soon ask for UVF of new upstream release ...
[11:04] <raphink> ok
[11:04] <raphink> I'm afraid it'll be too late
[11:04] <allee> raphink: is it only to just ask for a debian sync (aka you changelog entry will be lost)
[11:04] <raphink> for UVFer
[11:05] <allee> even with ~ dozend bugs fixed (+ one minor feature?)
[11:05] <raphink> well
[11:05] <raphink> you can ask
[11:05] <raphink> if it's accepted I'll upload
[11:05] <raphink> I don't mind losing a changelog, what matters is functionality
[11:05] <raphink> has the gallery2 fix been forwarded ?
[11:06] <allee> raphink: kipi-plugins will hopefully see a rc2 release too.  Ton of bugs fixed.  I'll use this at least for debian
[11:07] <allee> I'll try a UVF too, but I've to wait for Angelo to do the release
[11:08] <allee> digikam & kipi* release is not fit Kubuntu release dates well :(
[12:07] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, me
[12:27] <Sime> Riddell: about systemsettngs. Everyone should be on the look out for regressions w.r.t. buttons in systemsettngs. (e.g. modules getting wrong or different buttons than before).
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> it seems arts has picked up a nasty eating disorder.
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> It's engorging itself with RAM.
[12:59] <kmon> does kubuntu ship with a dictionary app?
[01:20] <kmon> Riddell: what kind of regressions?
[01:29] <Riddell> things not working :)
[01:29] <Riddell> kmon: konqueror is our dictionary app
[01:30] <kmon> Riddell: how do you use it?
[01:30] <Riddell> launch konqueror, go to www.dictionary.com, type in word, voila
[01:31] <kmon> hehe
[01:31] <kmon> ok
[01:31] <\sh> http://dict.leo.org/frde?lp=frde&search=voila is more easy
[01:32] <\sh> and then via leo:da ;)
[01:33] <\sh> leo should create an english french dictionary
[01:55] <Hobbsee> anyone around?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> maybe Riddell?
[02:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i just got http://pastebin.com/693938 - what will it mean for kubuntu?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: particularly in AU, these are critical sites that must be accessed - no matter how strong the encryption of them may be.  could well be worth thinking about and patching.
[02:03] <abattoir> Any Summer of Code Mentors around ;) ?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> although, i *am* wondering about comm bank...they *surely* should know better!  they are a bank, after all!
[02:04] <Hobbsee> abattoir: sorry, no, i'm not one
[02:05] <abattoir> Hobbsee: :)
[02:06] <abattoir> was just wondering if i need to show my app to a mentor before applying...
[02:06] <abattoir> because many orgs. seem to suggest that...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i dont know about needing to - but it's probably a good idea.  what were you going to do?
[02:07] <abattoir> the OEM installer... never mind, just clicked SUBMIT
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[02:10] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, me
[02:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got an example URL?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> of the https issue?
[02:10] <Riddell> yes
[02:10] <Hobbsee> grabbing one
[02:10] <abattoir> Riddell: Omg, stupid me... should have waited longer...
[02:11] <abattoir> ok, anyways you'll have a look at it ;)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://www3.netbank.commbank.com.au/netbank/bankmain
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i'd say...
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://secure.centrelink.gov.au/web.forte is probably the other one that they're mentioning
[02:12] <Riddell> abattoir: you just submitted an application for a Kubuntu OEM installer?
[02:12] <abattoir> yes...
[02:12] <Riddell> abattoir: excellent, I'd love to see that happen
[02:12] <Hobbsee> i dont have logins for either site (wouldnt mind having one for centrelink - that means money!) - but i'm quite sure those are the ones listed in the email
[02:12] <Riddell> abattoir: got any pykde experience?
[02:12] <abattoir> yup
[02:13] <abattoir> not very extensive... but i know the goods...
[02:13] <abattoir> eager and willing to learn too :)
[02:13] <Riddell> abattoir: cool.  I've no idea how the selection process will work but I'd definately like to see an OEM installer happen
[02:13] <abattoir> have sent some mockups too
[02:13] <abattoir> you want links now?
[02:13] <Riddell> sure
[02:13] <sebas> Riddell: From guessing, sime and me could probably mentor soc guidance modules.
[02:14] <abattoir> Riddell: http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/hrika.png
[02:14] <abattoir> that's the config. tool
[02:15] <abattoir> http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/hlada.png
[02:15] <abattoir> this one is the welcome screen... for the user
[02:15] <Riddell> abattoir: have you seen the ubuntu gtk OEM installer?
[02:15] <abattoir> no
[02:15] <Riddell> me neither :)
[02:16] <abattoir> i probably should have come in earlier and discussed... before sending in my app :(
[02:16] <abattoir> Probably would have got more ideas..
[02:16] <Riddell> you should probably take a look at that when you have a spare hour and hard disk, that would be the starting point
[02:17] <abattoir> ok... i am searching for it...
[02:17] <Riddell> use the text install CD and choose OEM Install when it first boots
[02:18] <abattoir> oh... it works that way...
[02:18] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller
[02:18] <Riddell> if you want to write a better description of it than that wiki page I'm sure that would be most welcome
[02:19] <abattoir> I have thought of a method where the OEM has a GUI tool in KDE which configures and makes images
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hehe..i offered dad a kubuntu cd when his windows went kaput...he didnt accept it though :P :(
[02:20] <abattoir> Riddell: so is my approach wrong?
[02:21] <Riddell> abattoir: only in that you havn't already looked at the gtk OEM installer.  I havn't either, so for all I know you're exactly right :)
[02:22] <abattoir> ok... I am downloading the ISO...
[02:23] <abattoir> Riddell:only the Ubuntu ISO has it right?
[02:23] <Riddell> yes
[02:23] <Riddell> text install one
[02:26] <abattoir> Riddell: and the "Welcome Screen" that's fine right?..... or should i wait till you see my application properly ;) ?
[02:28] <Riddell> abattoir: which one?
[02:29] <abattoir> the second link... :)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: please excuse the  ignorance, but what does w.r.t. stand for?
[02:33] <abattoir> Hobbsee: with respect to
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh, gotcha - so, as in, whether the admin buttons work or not?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hmm...like the one being mentioned in #kubuntu at the moment.
[02:35] <Riddell> abattoir: I don't know if your welcome screen is any good since I've not seen the gtk one so I don't really know the required functionality
[02:36] <abattoir> Riddell: should we do exactly what they do ;) ? :)
[02:40] <Riddell> abattoir: to start with yes, but once it's working to the same level it can do whatever we want
[02:41] <abattoir> ok, thanks
[02:42] <Riddell> abattoir: do you know when the summer of code coding starts?
[02:42] <abattoir> Applications started yesterday... till 8th..
[02:42] <abattoir> last date for results to be announced is 22 May...
[02:42] <abattoir> so i guess anytime after that...
[02:43] <Riddell> groovy, well hang around the channel and I'll do what I can to get your application at the top of our list :)
[02:44] <abattoir> http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#42
[02:44] <abattoir> Riddell: wow, that'd be sweet :)
[02:44] <abattoir> thanks
[02:44] <mornfall> oh, SoC
[03:30] <Riddell> hello morgs
[03:31] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: hey
[03:31] <Riddell> hi freeflying-ibook
[05:13] <pradeepto> was kerry available for breezy?
[05:14] <pradeepto> Riddell:   was kerry available for breezy?
[05:14] <Riddell> pradeepto: no
[05:15] <pradeepto> thanks
[05:15] <Riddell> it was only relesaed around february
[05:15] <Riddell> sebas: nice chinchiila cage, our one is much smaller
[05:15] <pradeepto> it will be really difficult to break it to that poory guy,
[05:46] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: I need to get skim working on this amd64 now
[05:46] <Riddell> LANG is set to en_GB.UTF-8
[05:46] <Riddell> what do I need to do?
[05:59] <\sh> re
[06:22] <Riddell> scim (gtk frontend) seems to break things lots
[06:24] <Riddell>  hmm
[06:24] <\sh> whatever ;)
[06:24] <Riddell> but skim seems to be working
[06:24] <Riddell> except on openoffice, hmm
[06:25] <\sh> back to ascii...
[06:58] <Riddell> oh no, amarok 1.4 is in two weeks.  we need to find a good excuse for it not to go into dapper
[07:00] <\sh> Riddell: sounds like fun like the last time with breezy and my decision :)
[07:01] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: what about making the kcontrol modules of kwin-style-crystal and gtk2-engines-gtk-qt translatable via rosetta?
[07:25] <jjesse> hmm adept-updater didn't show there were updates avialable to day but apt-update and apt-get dist-upgrade did
[07:27] <mornfall> jjesse: if you mean notifier (not updater), then it's probably because it only checks once a day
[07:27] <mornfall> using cron
[07:27] <jjesse> notifier i meant, if your computer is off when it is scheduled it will check first startup correct?
[07:36] <mornfall> jjesse: no idea, that's what ubuntu takes care of not me
[07:47] <Tonio_> hey
[07:49] <Tonio_> \sh: hey
[07:51] <\sh> re
[07:51] <Tonio_> \sh: uploading latest knetworkmanager :)
[07:51] <Tonio_> uvfe got approved today
[07:51] <\sh> Tonio_: cool :)
[07:52] <Tonio_> \sh: bad news for you, concerning the section, that'll be internet for the moment
[07:52] <\sh> Tonio_: well, if it's considered for edgy then it's ok
[07:53] <Tonio_> \sh: I think we can redicuss the menus for edgy, yes
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: UVFe was fast... I hope mine for powersave will be too ... ;-)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: can you give me feedback about bug 42027
[09:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42027 in knetworkmanager "Frequency/Bandwidth is ZERO/Unknown" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42027
[09:52] <Lure> Tonio_: frequency iz reported as 0 GHz, while Bandwidth is Unknown (i386, ipw2200)
[09:53] <Lure> I think that Bandwidth fix is working, while frequency does not - we need to check what is supposed to do
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: ok
[09:53] <Lure> Seen Timo's plans with 0.1?
[09:53] <marseillai> will try now but it seems i don't have this problem with the same config
[09:54] <\sh> ok...cu later at linuxtag
[09:55] <\sh> good night :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> Lure: that ressembles to a networkmanager bug
[09:56] <Tonio_> not a knetworkmanager one :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> it is just a frontend
[09:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yes I saw, hope we could uvfe this one too ;)
[09:57] <Lure> Tonio_: true, but knm should display Unknown (or hide) if value is not probvided by n-m (and I think that what recent fixes were supposed to do)
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: what does nm-applet ?
[09:58] <Tonio_> same issue or not ?
[09:58] <Lure> Not sure - do not have nm-applet installed for almost a month ;-)
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:59] <Lure> Tonio_: I am more concerned about this empty ESSID on startup issue - I hope Timo can nail this down for 0.1 (this will aslo be good excuse for UVFe)
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[10:01] <Lure> I have neglected this bug a bit as n-m had opened ESSID related issues, but now that those were closed, I know it is knm specific
[10:05] <Tonio_> Lure: certainly linked to kwallet in somme way
[10:06] <Lure> Tonio_: is ftp account on your repo supposed to work still?
[10:06] <Lure> I would like to upload powersave there first
[10:07] <marseillai> Lure: could you just tell me quickly what sort of improvment bring new powersave ?
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: assume yes but I had big issues with my ftp this we, since I updated my debian server and proftpd-mysql was broken
[10:07] <Tonio_> doesn't it work ?
[10:07] <Lure> marseillai: just bugfixes...
[10:07] <marseillai> oki
[10:07] <Lure> Tonio_: I get in, but no folders displayed (cannot browse with konqueror)
[10:07] <Tonio_> Lure: let me correct this :)
[10:07] <Tonio_> this is due to security restrictions ;)
[10:08] <Tonio_> Lure: refresh, that should be okay
[10:09] <Lure> Tonio_: ok now - thanks
[10:09] <Tonio_> I had to rewrite the full config, and since I have a quite complicated configuration for proftpd, I missed some accounts
[10:38] <Lure> Sime: latest guidence properly displays driver (was vesa before) on ATI FireGL V5000
[10:39] <Sime> Lure: cool
[10:39] <Sime> Tonio_: is guidance working better for you now? (0.6.6 just hit the repos. )
[10:41] <Tonio_> Sime: testing :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> Sime: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[10:42] <Tonio_> I can click this f**ing proprietary button :)
[10:43] <Tonio_> Sime: as promissed, I'll leave you in peace now :)
[10:43] <Tonio_> Sime: did you touch systemsettings too ? the window size is much better managed
[10:43] <Tonio_> looks like very mature now
[10:46] <marseillai> 8
[10:52] <Tonio_> Sime: everything looks just like perfect for me concerning both systemsettings and the display module :)
[11:00] <Lure> Tonio_: I am no CC meeting (starts in couple of minutes) if you want to support me
[11:00] <Tonio_> Lure: sure !!
[11:00] <Tonio_> Lure: membership ?
[11:00] <Lure> yes
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: sure I'll be there
[11:45] <superstoned> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ :D
[11:45] <superstoned> funny


[02:20] <Plug> Did/does Dapper have an (d-i) installation guide, like prior versions?
[02:20] <Plug> or since Ubiquity became 'the way to install' was it dropped?
[02:25] <jsgotangco> it has the traditional install guide
[02:25] <jsgotangco> not sure about the desktop CD though
[02:26] <jsgotangco> since it boots directly to live
[02:28] <HighBit> http://tinyurl.com/m48lc
[02:28] <HighBit> who's excited about docs on a plane?
[02:37] <nixternal> whats up guys
[02:37] <nixternal> fo0d time
[02:43] <Plug> jsgotangco: I can't find it on the web
[02:51] <Laser_away> Plug: what? d-i?
[02:55] <Plug> yeah, for dapper
[02:55] <Plug> it stops at Breezy
[02:56] <bimberi> Plug: do you mean the guides off https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation ?
[02:58] <Plug> not as such
[02:58] <Plug> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs01.html exists
[02:58] <Plug> s/breezy/dapper/, 404.
[02:59] <Laser_away> hmm
[02:59] <Plug> It's important as dapper uses Etch's d-i, which has, among other things, removed base-config.
[02:59] <Laser_away> must have gone somewhere
[03:00] <Laser_away> honestly I've never seen any installation docs
[03:00] <Laser_away> but I must be looking in the wrong places
[03:00] <Laser_away> because people say they exist :-)
[03:01] <Plug> I think I've asked before and they've never been there :)  I just went to the Debian d-i docs at the time
[03:01] <Plug> I'm doing a huge wikipage update on install CD cutomization
[03:01] <Laser_away> ah cool
[03:03] <jsgotangco> im pretty positive mdke had it placed on help.u.c during the dapper development cycle
[03:24] <jsgotangco> hmm this change in the front page of the wiki looks pretty self serving
[03:46] <bimberi> jsgotangco: the games stuff?  i agree
[04:52] <nixternal> i wish robotgeek would pop back up..he wanted to split the kdg, i want to know what he splits
[04:53] <nixternal> jjesse: SFW, what direction are we taking with it?  are we going to split sections?  deadline?  anythign else you can think of put <here> ;)
[04:57] <Plug> so!
[04:57] <Plug> I've been busy
[04:57] <Plug> on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[04:58] <nixternal> looks good Plug
[05:35] <poningru> http://www.osnews.com/img/15517/linuxworld2.jpg
[05:36] <poningru> err wtf
[05:37] <LaserJock> cool, Burgundiva and whiprush
[05:39] <bimberi_> what's the award?
[05:41] <LaserJock> not sure
[05:45] <bimberi_> "Golden Penguin Bowl" trophy - http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15518
[05:53] <nixternal> is it me or do the fedora guys look like jerry's kids?
[05:54] <nixternal> omg one of my old bosses is on page 2
[05:54] <nixternal> lol
[05:56] <bimberi_> nixternal: lemme guess, Mototola?
[05:56] <nixternal> haha ya
[05:56] <bimberi_> :)
[05:56] <nixternal> guy martin, as a matter of fact, he is the head dude for the division now
[05:56] <nixternal> he is so stinkin' rich now it isn't even funny
[05:58] <poningru> yeah
[05:58] <poningru> apperantly they kicked novells ass
[05:58] <poningru> waah?
[05:58] <poningru> who?
[05:58] <jjesse> when?
[05:59] <bimberi_> Burgundavia and whiprush - at bowling!?
[06:00] <nixternal> i know corey is there with one of the Ubuntu Chicago guys
[06:00] <poningru> he is on the planet iirc
[06:05] <poningru> so quick question, there was a to do list for the wiki a while ago
[06:06] <nixternal> jjesse: you working on ubuntu switching guide as well?
[06:06] <poningru> but now I cant find it
[06:06] <nixternal> poningru: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCleanup
[06:06] <nixternal> there you go..have at it ;)
[06:06] <poningru> :)
[06:06] <poningru> thanks
[06:07] <nixternal> that is pretty much the wiki todo list..at least it should be..but because of edgy and doc updates it has been put on a back burner
[06:07] <poningru> oh wtf
[06:07] <nixternal> lol
[06:07] <poningru> hmm ic
[06:07] <poningru> yeah /me was searching through the wiki
[06:07] <bimberi_> nixternal: you're cruel
[06:07] <bimberi_> ;)
[06:07] <poningru> you guys are nuts... :p
[06:07] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo
[06:08] <nixternal> lol
[06:08] <nixternal> the todo list is going to point you to the same thing ;)
[06:09] <poningru> hmm yeah
[06:09] <poningru> so is that geared toward lts or edgy?
[06:11] <poningru> anyone...
[06:12] <LaserJock> is what geared?
[06:15] <nixternal> LaserJock: any luck with the debiandoc stuff?
[06:16] <LaserJock> heh, not yet
[06:16] <LaserJock> I"m trying to get through the rest of the week
[06:17] <poningru> LaserJock: the to category cleanup thing
[06:17] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <LaserJock> I've got Ubucon on Friday
[06:17] <nixternal> nice..i tried to get some time to get there...but i got school crap to get ready for this weekend
[06:17] <nixternal> i emailed the professors and was like can we move this stuff until monday..i have a plane to catch for cali
[06:17] <nixternal> they are like..nope you have 1 week until class starts
[06:18] <LaserJock> well, I have 1 presentation almost done, and perhaps I will do another one (I don't know yet :( )
[06:19] <nixternal> nice
[06:20] <nixternal> im doin' a goofy lecture next week.. they call it a "lightning" something or other..im doing mine on KDE and PIM for PDA type stuff
[06:20] <nixternal> what answer?
[06:21] <nixternal> laod
[06:21] <nixternal> das
[06:21] <nixternal> lol
[06:21] <poningru> dude what is that category cleanup articles supposed to be geared towards? edgy or lts?
[06:21] <LaserJock> poningru: I don't think it really matters
[06:21] <poningru> if something comes up, leave it alone?
[06:22] <nixternal> i usually attack the easy ones truthfully
[06:23] <nixternal> get the little ones out of the way and pray someone comes along and takes care of the big ones
[06:23] <nixternal> the big ones usually have 4 or 5 other pages with the same stuff
[06:23] <nixternal> like NVidia and ATI
[06:23] <nixternal> they both have 23483423 pages each..and people keep creating versions that still don't work cuz the driver support is garbage
[06:24] <poningru> well the first on the list 32bit 64bit has pretty good explanation on the forums
[06:24] <poningru> so I was gonna go bug the author
[06:24] <nixternal> oh, and who could forget VMware..i have been working on that for who knows how long..and every time i start it back up..they change versions..and when they change versions you upgrade, or your license runs out
[06:25] <nixternal> so...i have been working on creating new..and then whiping the others out/merging them into 1 page
[06:26] <poningru> heh
[06:28] <poningru> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gentoo_has_a_better_cow_than_Ubuntu
[06:29] <poningru> rofl
[06:58] <jsgotangco> hey they actually dug a malone bug
[07:19] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, which one? bug 1?
[07:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[07:20] <jsgotangco> no the super cow powers thing in apt
[07:21] <Madpilot> link, pls? it's not on digg's front page, and that's as far as I ever bother with digg ;)
[07:21] <bimberi_> bug 56125
[07:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56125
[07:22] <jsgotangco> its a critical bug
[07:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:22] <Madpilot> good lord
[07:23] <Madpilot> ;)
[08:14] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[08:14] <robitaille> Hi Madpilot
[08:15] <Plug> hi Madpilot
[08:15] <Madpilot> hi Plug
[08:16] <Plug> what needs cleaning up about h.u.c/coimmunity/ClamAV ?
[08:16] <Plug> I tidied it up some weeks ago but see its made it back in
[08:17] <Madpilot> Plug, ah, that was my fault, I see. If you think it's sane currently, go ahead and take it back out of Cleanup
[10:22] <mdke> does anyone know if jjesse's patches are cumulative?
[10:33] <nixternal> i don't know..he just came up with a big chunk tonight, which i see you posted
[10:33] <nixternal> i don't think that included teh phil bull ones though
[10:34] <nixternal> phil bull has the preparing.xml patch
[10:34] <nixternal> couples posts ago
[10:35] <mdke> I'll let jonathan review it then
[10:36] <nixternal> i think he did, and that is what brought up the reason of him mailing the list..he couldn't commit
[10:36] <nixternal> i can review and validate local if you would like..or just wait for jonathan to do so
[10:36] <nixternal> actually..it is 3:30am..im off to bed
[10:37] <nixternal> g'nite
[12:59] <mdke> does anyone know why we use this:
[12:59] <mdke> +<!ENTITY ubuntu '<phrase>Ubuntu</phrase>'>
[01:43] <mdke> lloydinho: yeah, I'll do that now
[01:43] <lloydinho> mkde: cool
[01:43] <mdke> lloydinho: one thing - the interwiki links will not work
[01:43] <lloydinho> hm!
[01:43] <mdke> you can change those to urls afterwards, or before, if you prefer
[01:44] <mdke> before is better, if you want to put it on the website, if you want it to stay on the wiki, after is better
[01:44] <lloydinho> well... I'd much prefer to just have to do the changes once.
[01:44] <lloydinho> So I'll just do them now.
[01:45] <lloydinho> by "interwiki" you mean the links that refer to other pages in the Ubuntu wiki? Or pages in the Doc wiki?
[01:45] <mdke> both of those
[01:45] <lloydinho> okay, I'll get back to you shortly.
[01:45] <mdke> the latter doesn't exist though, right?
[01:46] <mdke> anything which isn't a url, basically
[01:46] <lloydinho> right, I'll run through the doc now, then.
[01:46] <mdke> (unlink LoCo, btw)
[01:47] <mdke> that's one hell of a document, great work
[01:47] <lloydinho> hm, I thought I found all of those. I'll check again.
[02:44] <lloydinho> wow, running the whole doc again, there was a fair few things that needed fixing..
[02:45] <lloydinho> mdke, it's all yours to export and commit, now.
[03:04] <mdke> lloydinho: uploaded. I haven't tidied the xml because tidy seems to have an annoying bug which means that it loses a whitespace after a link
[03:11] <lloydinho> mdke: cool, thanks. Don't know what to do about the tidy bit, though.
[03:13] <mdke> we can use tidy then correct the spaces
[03:14] <lloydinho> well, you make it sound so easy ;-)
[03:50] <mdke> lloydinho: heh, am struggling with some validity issues with it though
[03:51] <lloydinho> yeah, I saw that. Mostly problems with the bold type, as far as I can see.
[03:51] <mdke> yes. I suspect a bug for mvirkkil
[03:52] <lloydinho> Actually, most of the bold types I'd rather turn into little info boxes - but I don't know if it is possible to do directly in the wiki.
[03:52] <mdke> mvirkkil: if you have time, a bug for you with emphasis tags not getting closed here: http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/MatthewEast/ContributeToUbuntu
[03:52] <lloydinho> (that would save some editing later on)
[03:53] <mdke> ooh, they don't get closed on the Moin page either
[03:53] <mdke> perhaps a moin bug then
[03:54] <lloydinho> strange, why would it do it in moin and not on the Ubuntu wiki?
[03:54] <mdke> devel version
[04:08] <mvirkkil> mdke: Ok. I'll try to see if I can fix it :)
[04:08] <mdke> mvirkkil: seems to be a moin bug, see #moin
[04:11] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yeah, I'm seeing it like that too :/
[05:58] <mdke> lloydinho: alright, I've hacked out all the errors, you should probably give it a quick proof read
[05:59] <lloydinho> mdke - cool. Will do.
[06:02] <mdke> lloydinho: that is one hell of a good job
[06:03] <mdke> congrats
[06:03] <Laser_away> hi lloydinho
[06:03] <lloydinho> mdke: thanks!
[06:03] <lloydinho> hi LaserJock
[06:03] <lloydinho> .. it's eaten the whitespaces after each link, but otherwise it looks fine.
[06:04] <LaserJock> lloydinho: check out http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/ubucon.odp
[06:04] <LaserJock> it's getting close to done
[06:04] <mdke> oh damn, I corrected it once, then reverted and forgot to correct again
[06:05] <lloydinho> mdke, btw. People are still proof-reading the original on the wiki - I hope it won't be a problem to export it again later?
[06:06] <LaserJock> if there aren't that many changes we could probably use the moin diff and do it manually
[06:06] <mdke> well, I might have to go through it again and hack the errors out, we'll see
[06:06] <mdke> the bold bug has been fixed already though
[06:08] <mdke> maybe most of the errors were due to that
[06:09] <lloydinho> mdke: I think so, I didn't notice any other problems when I first looked at it.
[06:10] <lloydinho> in any case, it is something we will have to figure out, if we are going towards more wiki-based doc writing.
[06:10] <mdke> i mean in terms of the docbook
[06:10] <mdke> yes, sure.
[06:11] <mdke> lloydinho: you can try the exporting procedure yourself by using the wiki at docbook.wikiwikiweb.de (http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/MatthewEast/ContributeToUbuntu)
[06:11] <lloydinho> mdke: yes, I meant the first docbook draft that you posted.
[06:12] <lloydinho> mdke: cool. I'll try it out.
[06:12] <mdke> you can test validity using the validate.sh script in our repo
[06:12] <mdke> wait until mvirkkil has updated the wiki though, because that will fix the bold bug
[06:12] <nixternal> when are we going to get that great feature?  wiki2docbook that is
[06:13] <lloydinho> cool. Yes, I tried that before when I did patches for the desktop guides.
[06:13] <lloydinho> LaserJock, your presentation looks good.
[06:13] <lloydinho> A bit text heavy, maybe - but good.
[06:14] <LaserJock> ok
[06:14] <lloydinho> You should perhaps consider less information on each slide, or maybe just string the info out over several slides.
[06:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:14] <LaserJock> I'm used to science presentations :-)
[06:14] <lloydinho> and pictures! More pictures!
[06:14] <LaserJock> bah, pictures
[06:14] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:14] <LaserJock> I'll try
[06:15] <mdke> nixternal: it's active on the wiki I posted above
[06:15] <mdke> already works quite well
[06:15] <LaserJock> jsgotangco suggested a picture or 2 from Paris
[06:15] <lloydinho> check the wiki pages for the various summits. There are lots of pictures there
[06:15] <nixternal> mdke: i use do the same thing actually..i use moinmoin, create the page, export it, and then delete it
[06:15] <nixternal> wow
[06:15] <nixternal> i do the same thing*
[06:15] <nixternal> fumblefingers already this morning
[06:16] <lloydinho> oh, and LaserJock - you should definitely have slide presenting yourself and how you got involved.
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah
[06:17] <LaserJock> I was planning on doing more of talking about that
[06:17] <LaserJock> but maybe a slide would help out
[06:17] <lloydinho> Telling the sordid story of one mild-mannered chemist turned into a raging ubunt-holic. ;-)
[06:17] <lloydinho> *ubuntu-holic
[06:18] <nixternal> lloydinho: simply amazing work on the list you created...amazing job!
[06:18] <lloydinho> nixternal, thanks!
[06:18] <nixternal> i think everything is covered
[06:18] <nixternal> and then some
[06:20] <lloydinho> heh. Yeah, it's probably to big, too. Writing it, I really wanted there to be some procedure for creating new teams.
[06:20] <nixternal> heh, why create a team now, you listed every team known to man ;)
[06:20] <lloydinho> I think at least 2 or 3 new teams came up in the past 2 weeks.
[06:21] <lloydinho> "Forum howto to help.ubuntu.com" team, PDA testers team, what have you ...
[06:21] <lloydinho> and I haven't even gone through all of the launchpad teams.. *shudder*
[06:22] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[06:22] <nixternal> oh ya, i see the pda team is on there now..hehe
[06:23] <LaserJock> I realized last night that I'm missing translation
[06:25] <lloydinho> yeah. It wasn't until a couple of days ago that I realized that I'd forgotten the Ubuntu Women's team.
[06:25] <lloydinho> Now, hopefully, the community won't grow any more :-P
[06:26] <nixternal> ooh, that would have been bad ;)
[11:13] <trappist> by the way, I'm finally back to where I can work on docs.  the guy who was living in the computer room has gone back to ireland :)


[01:59] <Nikonn> hi there
[11:33] <smspillaz> MCR1: hola, no problem
[11:33] <smspillaz> MCR1: were you able to grab my branch
[11:33] <smspillaz> ?
[11:34] <MCR1> smspillaz: Which one ?
[11:34] <smspillaz> I put it on the review
[11:34] <smspillaz> one of your reviews ... the wobbly optimizations I think
[11:35] <smspillaz> btw, I fixed --replace \o/ https://code.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/compiz.fix_1085591/+merge/137524
[11:36] <MCR1> smspillaz: That are great news :) It would be important to make Compiz shut down and restart properly...
[11:38] <MCR1> smspillaz: Now I got it. What about proposing your branch to merge instead of my wobbly-optimizations as it is already stacked on mine as far as I see...
[11:38] <MCR1> ?
[11:38] <smspillaz> MCR1: *shrug*, if you want.
[11:39] <smspillaz> or just merge it in directly
[11:39] <smspillaz> no need for a formal proposal
[11:39] <smspillaz> or - take the bits you want and get rid of the ones you dont
[11:40] <MCR1> ok, if you like that better, I can ofc do it also... No problem - I'll do it (just have to read through all the arguments ;))
[11:41] <MCR1> smspillaz: We have a big problem with keyboard resized Grid windows...
[11:41] <MCR1> See here: bug 1082001
[11:41] <smspillaz> MCR1: yah, saw
[14:29] <didrocks> bregma: hey can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/more_arm_test_modifications/+merge/137558?
[14:29]  * bregma looks
[14:30] <didrocks> bregma: hopefully hopefully hopefully arm* will be building back!
[14:30] <bregma> it's been a long haul
[14:30] <sil2100> It was building! Sometimes!
[14:30] <sil2100> The worst thing, my pandaboard is free of these problems
[14:31] <sil2100> I was running check-headless in a loop today for about 30 minutes and no failures
[14:40] <didrocks> bregma: once this is checked, so, we are waiting on getting some autopilot tests results, but we already have that as a blocker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1085581
[14:40] <didrocks> bregma: see also my comment for a screenshot of a (I guess) related issue
[14:49] <didrocks> seb128: if you have time can you install from the ~ubuntu-unity ppa please? So that we test the latest (there is this bug above already ^)
[14:49] <popey> didrocks, ppa:ubuntu-unity/ppa ?
[14:50] <didrocks> popey: ubuntu-unity/daily-build
[14:50] <popey> ta
[14:50] <didrocks> popey: thanks! :)
[14:50] <seb128> didrocks, dist-upgrade with the ppa (e.g whole stack) or specific component ?
[14:50] <didrocks> whole stack should be good
[14:50] <seb128> ok
[14:50] <seb128> is there anything special to test?
[14:50] <didrocks> the rest (non directly unity) has been released this morning
[14:50] <seb128> was that about the stacking bug?
[14:50] <seb128> or just general testing?
[14:51] <didrocks> seb128: general testing
[14:51] <seb128> didrocks, doing it
[14:51] <didrocks> it's not a stacking bug
[14:51] <didrocks> it's just the window doesn't open at the right place
[14:51] <seb128> ok
[14:51] <didrocks> + this dash weirdery
[14:51] <didrocks> thanks seb128 :)
[14:53] <popey> didrocks, still getting that, windows appear under the launcher
[14:53] <popey> under launcher and panel in fact
[14:54] <didrocks> popey: thanks for confirming. And if you move the window and open the dash
[14:54] <didrocks> do you have what I saw?
[14:54] <popey> hmm, i get a black dash didrocks
[14:54] <popey> (vm)
[14:54] <didrocks> ah ok :)
[15:00] <didrocks> bregma: can you put someone on to fix those? (the 2 issues that are signaled/maybe related here) ^
[15:02] <bregma> I've already asked dednick to look at the transparency problem (looks like a bug in unity), nobody who knows compiz is on right now so the window positioning may have to wait for a few hours
[15:03] <popey> sil2100, would you be able to look at the window positioning issue above ?
[15:03] <didrocks> bregma: thanks a lot (please communicate ;))
[15:03] <sil2100> popey: I shall as soon as I get upgraded
[15:50] <bregma> didrocks, dednick can't repro that transparency problem with trunk, can any one else?
[15:51] <popey> bregma, i get an odd transparency issue, yes
[15:52] <popey> not the same as didrocks, I get a black background wherever things should be transparent, but this is in a VM so not sure I trust it
[15:52] <bregma> popey, the same one didrocks described?
[15:52] <popey> no, let me get a screen grab
[15:52] <bregma> ah\
[15:52] <popey> it looks transparency related, but not the same
[15:53] <bregma> it could be related to depth buffer support in the VM
[15:53] <popey> it worked before I updated
[15:58] <popey> bregma, http://popey.com/~alan/transparency.png
[17:01] <didrocks> bregma: back, not sure what seb128 saw (or sil2100)
[17:01] <didrocks> bregma: I bet this transparency issue is due to the offset we are seeing
[17:01] <didrocks> bregma: like unity thinking that 0 0 is somewhere and compiz thinking something else
[17:02]  * seb128 shakes fist at didrocks
[17:03] <didrocks> seb128: hum? is the ppa that bad for you?
[17:05] <popey> we need btrfs so we can snapshot before adding crack-fuelled ppas :)
[17:06] <seb128> didrocks, having everything opening on the top left means I can't access the decoration to move windows without using alt-click
[17:06] <seb128> didrocks, it's a pain
[17:06] <seb128> the decorations and wm controls are under the panel/launcher
[17:06] <popey> yeah, i have to Alt+Space, M, to do "move"
[17:07] <popey> or alt+f7
[17:08] <didrocks> seb128: well, you were warned :p
[17:08] <didrocks> seb128: seems sil2100 doesn't reproduce it
[17:08] <didrocks> and nothing is moving because despite asking to try a ppa, people don't use exactly that one
[17:12] <seb128> didrocks, using that ppa the gwibber lens is broken otherwise
[17:12] <didrocks> shrugh :/
[17:12] <didrocks> how broken? kenvandine ^
[17:12] <seb128> unity_filter_get_filtering: assertion `self != NULL' failed
[17:12] <seb128> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped)
[17:12] <seb128>
[17:13] <seb128> segfault on start
[17:13] <seb128> (gdb) bt
[17:13] <seb128> #0  0xb7eda463 in dee_serializable_parse ()
[17:13] <seb128>    from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdee-1.0.so.4
[17:13] <seb128> could be the dee in the ppa...
[17:13] <seb128> mhr3, ^
[17:14] <kenvandine> ugh
[17:14] <seb128> didrocks, otherwise I confirm, launcher transparency is broken
[17:14] <mhr3> seb128, bug in dee, really? :P
[17:15] <seb128> mhr3, gdb is saying so!
[17:15] <mhr3> gdb likes to lie :P
[17:16] <seb128> we have no debug package in the ppa though
[17:16] <seb128> mhr3, kenvandine: do you guys want a debug stacktrace?
[17:16] <mhr3> seb128, then i can't help you
[17:16] <mhr3> yes
[17:16] <seb128> mhr3, alright, getting one
[17:17] <mhr3> seb128, meanwhile do you have non-debug one?
[17:18] <seb128> mhr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1408256/
[17:19] <seb128> mhr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1408260/
[17:19] <seb128> debug one
[17:19] <mhr3> hmm, that actually could be me :)
[17:19] <seb128> mhr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1408262/
[17:19] <seb128> the bt full version
[17:20] <seb128> mhr3, see, gdb is not lying, there is your name all over that stacktrace ;-)
[17:20] <didrocks> bregma: dednick is testing on raring, right?
[17:20] <seb128> mhr3, that's r390 if didrocks's changelog automagic is doing its maths correctly
[17:20] <mhr3> meh, ok, it's actually my improvement uncovering kamstrup's bugs :P
[17:20] <seb128> lol
[17:21] <bregma> didrocks, he's using trunk, which should match the PPA
[17:21] <didrocks> bregma: on raring?
[17:22] <mhr3> seb128, can you try with http://paste.ubuntu.com/1408266/ ?
[17:23] <seb128> mhr3, that fixes the segfault, still getting those warnings but that might be a different issue
[17:23] <seb128> unity_filter_get_filtering: assertion `self != NULL' failed
[17:24] <mhr3> seb128, do things work though?
[17:24] <seb128> mhr3, the lens work yes
[17:25] <mhr3> then let's say it's incorrect usage of the lens, but it works so meh... :)
[17:29] <seb128> mhr3, yeah ;-)
[17:30] <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine, mhr3: I've approved https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/dee/fix-slist-iteration/+merge/137638 since it looks correct and fix my gwibber lens segfault
[17:30] <bregma> didrocks, he's using quantal -- what makes you think that's important?
[17:31] <mhr3> seb128, thx
[17:32] <seb128> mhr3, thank you for the quick fix ;-)
[17:32] <kenvandine> cool
[17:32] <mhr3> seb128, that bug was in dee for a year, was about time :P
[17:32] <didrocks> bregma: see the discussion with sil2100 who can't reproduce it on quantal
[17:32] <kenvandine> thx seb128, mhr3
[17:33] <didrocks> bregma: did you give it a shot on your machine? I'm sure you are using raring :)
[17:33] <seb128> mhr3, hehe
[17:34] <bregma> didrocks, I've been reinstalling my raring machine for the last hour, so not yet
[18:06] <didrocks> sil2100: great to see that there is no more FTBFS on armfh! :)
[18:09] <sil2100> Phew!
[18:09] <sil2100> didrocks: \o/
[18:09] <sil2100> But I really really hated those TestAnimator tests
[18:09] <didrocks> sil2100: you can tell that you only needed one hand to fix this :p
[18:10] <sil2100> Well ;p I could have said 'screw you TestAnimator' last week from the start
[18:10] <sil2100> Since making them less strict didn't help completely ;p
[18:10] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, well, it worthed a try at least
[20:03] <krabador> hi people, i installed nvidia offical 173 drivers, on ubuntu  12.10, with "direct rendering: Yes", but when i try to run unity, i've 2 second the wallpaper and later blank screen and mouse pointer
[20:03] <krabador> no problem with gnome without effects
[20:05] <krabador> someone can tell me if unity have some feature not supported by the driver or the card?