[06:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:16] <dholbach> hi iulian
[08:17] <Laney> hallo
[08:17] <Laney> happy friday my masters
[08:23] <geser> Laney: are you a slave then? :) (and a happy friday you too)
[08:25] <Laney> geser: feels like it :P
[08:26] <iulian> geser: I think by 'master' he meant a young boy... although he's not that young. *g*
[08:26] <iulian> Or is he? :)
[08:26] <Laney> haha
[08:26] <tumbleweed> naah, he's a slave
[08:26] <Laney> no, geser had it right
[08:59] <Laney> ScottK: do we ask for r-recommends testing for backports? /me can't remember
[08:59] <Laney> ScottK: wait, nm, the requestbackport blurb says not
[09:18] <Noskcaj> What is the process for having a package dropped from the ubuntu archive?
[09:19] <Noskcaj> libfame has been removed from debian and has no reverse depends other than it's own -dev package
[09:19] <Laney> file bug, get ack from ubuntu developer (via sponsors), subscribe ubuntu-archive
[09:20] <Laney> sponsor will usually do the last step for you
[09:20] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:23] <cjwatson> also
[09:23] <cjwatson> we process Debian removals in bulk
[09:23] <cjwatson> so actually you don't really need to file bugs unless they seem to be lagging
[09:24] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: http://packages.qa.debian.org/libf/libfame.html has never heard of libfame though - what's the actual package name here?
[09:25] <Noskcaj> libfame-0.9
[09:25] <cjwatson> http://packages.qa.debian.org/libf/libfame-0.9.html  still doesn't exist
[09:25] <cjwatson> source package name?
[09:25] <Noskcaj> It seems to have been out of debian since before oldstable
[09:26] <cjwatson> oh, hm
[09:26] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfame
[09:26] <cjwatson> usually it's on packages.qa anyway ...
[09:26] <Laney> is this a debian-multimedia sync?
[09:26] <geser> looks like it
[09:26] <Laney> removals-full doesn't have it
[09:26] <cjwatson> Yeah, so "has been removed from Debian" isn't actually true then
[09:26] <geser> last upload in edgy
[09:27] <cjwatson> I think it's still reasonable to clean up unused stuff we're carrying from that frankly rather misguided "sync from ALL the archives" experiment, but you'd indeed need to file a bug
[19:11] <sauerbraten> hello there! I came to ask you to update a package in the multiverse branch: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/sauerbraten
[19:11] <sauerbraten> I'm a big fan of this game (see my name), I'm not the developer though (that would be eihrul here on freenode). Since the package in ubuntu's repos is about 3 or 4 releases behind, could it please be updated so people don't download an old version of the game and wonder why there are no servers to play on?
[23:20] <sauerbraten> hello there! I came to ask you to update a package in the multiverse branch: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/sauerbraten
[23:20] <sauerbraten> I'm a big fan of this game (see my name), I'm not the developer though (that would be eihrul here on freenode). Since the package in ubuntu's repos is about 3 or 4 releases behind, could it please be updated so people don't download an old version of the game and wonder why there are no servers to play on?
[23:28] <Noskcaj> sauerbraten, I'll look into it, since good games helps us a lot, but it's probably too late in the cycle
[23:28] <sauerbraten> Noskcaj: thanks! any cycle would be great :)


[12:32] <ph1zzle> hey all
[12:33] <ph1zzle> I hope this is a quick question, I need to install php4 on server 7.04 but I am getting a error from apt-get saying that php4 is unavailable but refered to by another source, is there a way to install php4 on ubuntu server 7.04?
[01:33] <ph1zzle> so...
[01:33] <ph1zzle> no one knows how I can install php4 on server 7.04 aside from source?
[02:06] <fujin> Does Feisty have Webmin in apt? I can't seem to find it
[03:12] <ph1zzle> fujin, no, I don't think it does, I just did a search on packages.ubuntu.com and could not find it
[03:14] <mralphabet> it's not a recommended package
[05:36] <blmartin777> is ubuntu server any different from a debian server?
[02:56] <blmartin777> Is anyone here?
[06:05] <slackwarelife> Hi, I want to know if you are be able to change the ldap password and local passwrd using the gnome-about-me tool. If yes you can post your /etc/pmd/passowrd-common
[06:06] <slackwarelife> /etc/pam.d/common-passowrd file, this is the file I need. Thanks
[06:11] <slackwarelife> The problem is that my enterprise want to change the security policy. For this moment only the local password was changed, but now it had decided to implement a same windows structure (end of passwrd every 30 days, the password must be secure using pam_cracklib and all password must be change - LDAP + Local and othe application).
[06:13] <slackwarelife> For me the problem is the last request, the ldap + local sincro change, I'm not be able to this at the moment. Any Idea ??? Thanks
[06:13] <Burgundavia> hmm, never been able to get it working myself
[06:14] <slackwarelife> I search a lot on net, I found some information. But... When I try only one of the two passwds where change
[06:14] <slackwarelife> where --> were
[06:15] <slackwarelife> My enterprise ask to me to not use the shell, only a gui. The users have not the possibility to use the command
[06:16] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:21] <slackwarelife> I know, I must insert "pam_password exop" option in the /etc/pam_ldap.conf file. This will be able to syncro the request of passowrd change. It does not seem to happen null
[06:44] <slackwarelife> Hi, I have now another problem. Why the remember option in password pam_unix.so modules does not work ???
[06:45] <slackwarelife> the file /etc/security/opasswd does not change.
[06:47] <slackwarelife> any idea ???
[06:54] <slackwarelife> I think ubuntu has some problem about setting a good clients, what do you think ??? Thanks
[08:25] <hansin321> My ubuntu server is escaping spaces "\ ".  Is there a way to set it so it does not do this?  I may not have been paying attention, but in the past on some distros I think it may not have done this.
[08:27] <hansin321> Or if it always does this, is there a theory as to why it is necessary?  Just curious.  I know Windows does the same thing.  BTW, it only does this from the command prompt when you tab complete, not if you do an ls listing.
[08:39] <mralphabet> it has always escaped spaces for me
[08:41] <hansin321> mralphabet: I might not have been paying attention in the past...  Oh well, I'm paying more attention now so I guess that is good.
[09:32] <foo> Hm, it'd be cool if ubuntu 6.06 could offer newer php packages, like, 5.2.1 or something (instead of 5.1.2)
[09:53] <lionel> foo: ask for a backport ?
[10:03] <foo> lionel: Hmm, aha, ok. I need to play around with that - thanks
[10:05] <lionel> foo: I have no idea if it is feasable or not. It have to be tested (but by opening a task, some people who are involved in backport will test it)
[10:06] <foo> I see
[11:10] <lucasvo> I am wrong or is it impossible to install apache2 & php5 only with supported packages?
[11:10] <lucasvo> there's libapache2-php4 but I can't find php5
[11:13] <lucasvo> oh my bad. there is php5
[11:13] <lucasvo> sorry for the trouble


[05:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:02] <Bashing-om> Morn'in lotuspsychje . WB 0/ .
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[05:04] <Bashing-om> Been a slow one . Not a lot going on .. even the trolls are staying away .
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:58] <Bashing-om> Turn out my lights, my party is over; it's time  for - all good things - to end . G Nite
[06:59] <ducasse> morning all!
[17:52] <Bashing-om> I be away for a couple of hours . I will return :)
[17:53] <OerHeks> we count the hours you are not here, Bashing-om ...
[17:53] <OerHeks> .. and you don't get paid, ofcourse
[19:06] <pavlushka> lol
[19:07] <daftykins> :D
[19:07] <daftykins> standard benefits package
[19:07] <daftykins> the occasional...
[19:07] <daftykins> !cookie | Bashing-om
[21:01] <Bashing-om> soon as I catch up on the channel, I be back on the clock :)
[21:01] <daftykins> :D
[23:03] <Bashing-om> Putting my client windows back in order .


[12:12] <Tonio_> sivang: that was probably a very specific case...
[12:12] <nixternal> no no ryanakca, im talking the kubuntu release page
[12:12] <ryanakca> ah, yeah, :)
[12:12] <sivang> Tonio_: probably. there were also the ubuntu specific theme patches, which were elusive ;-)
[12:12] <ryanakca> I uploaded a screenshot for you, feel free to resize :)
[12:12] <Tonio_> sivang: one thing, when we are changing the packaging from debia, we generally have a debian/kubuntu-debian-changes file that we maintain
[12:12] <nixternal> thanks for that, i will hack it up and work it in
[12:13] <Tonio_> that helps for future updates
[12:13] <nixternal> im going to start on the ones that don't have any write up yet
[12:13] <Riddell> autogen.sh that's it
[12:13] <ryanakca> kk, you want the background along with it? I can take a screenshot at school tommorow
[12:13] <Riddell> sivang: is there a gnome cdbs rule for running autogen?
[12:13] <nixternal> need to have the content done by tomorrow i think, and then i will work up the php patch for bazaar
[12:13] <ryanakca> just didn't want to take one where half the desktop is icons :)
[12:13] <ryanakca> kk
[12:14] <Tonio_> sivang: to make it simple, universe apps generally don't need any kubuntu specific stuff, and concerning main, modofied packages have a file that resume the changes...
[12:14] <nixternal> ryanakca: i can retake that screeny here in a bit..i can use the neighbors pc
[12:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk
[12:15] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.org/images/winfoss.png
[12:15] <Tonio_> sivang: so you might be able to merge as long as you can read ;)
[12:15] <nixternal> if that hasn't changed, then we might not need to
[12:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: how do I change my screen resolution without restarting X? (command line, now that that module in kcontrol/syssettings is broken)
[12:16] <nixternal> heh, in xorg.conf
[12:16] <nixternal> i use vmware for all my screeshots
[12:16] <nixternal> and i boot x at 1024x768 @ 72dpi
[12:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: it's changed
[12:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Release?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=kubuntuwin.png
[12:18] <Tonio_> I can't believe the konqueror.rc file is hardcoded in konqueror sources......; that's *really* weird, and the filename is supposed to be configurable...
[12:18] <Tonio_> nasty.....
[12:18] <nixternal> oh ya..ok..i can retake that here in a few than
[12:19] <Tonio_> kdepim works on windows now ? cool :)
[12:19] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk
[12:19] <nixternal> http://l10n.kde.org/docs/screenshots.php
[12:19] <nixternal> that is what i follow when doing screenshots
[12:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: some of the stuff, I have no clue what to write for, unless there's anything new in the past week, can I just copy it from the RC Release notes?
[12:20] <nixternal> sure
[12:20] <nixternal> just turn it into a 1 or 2 sentence selling point
[12:22] <ryanakca> kk
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have packages ready for feisty, should I include your patch from bug 63325 ?
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63325 in kdelibs "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Low,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[12:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: shall I take a screenie of ubiquity tommorow when I install RC onto my teacher's computer?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah you already uploaded...
[12:26] <nixternal> ryanakca: ya, that would be great
[12:26] <ryanakca> kk
[12:27] <ryanakca> I hope he doesn't forget his comp... again :)
[12:27] <nixternal> hehe
[12:28] <nixternal> fi you can't, no biggy, i can just pop it in to vmware and get some pics in a couple of minutes..so it is up to you
[12:30] <ryanakca> whatever's easier...
[12:30] <ryanakca> if you want to get all the screenies done tonight, go 'head, otherwise, I'll be sitting there for 20 minutes tommorow anywais
[12:31] <nixternal> i will wait for the ubiquity screenies from you
[12:31] <ryanakca> kk
[12:31] <nixternal> im going to rock on the content and screenies for the other stuff now
[12:31] <ryanakca> kk
[12:31] <sivang> Riddell: not that I recall. all of the gnome pakcages I have worked on needs an explicit call for autogen and represent that in the debian source distribution
[12:31] <nixternal> im gonna go eat now, i will bbiab
[12:31] <nixternal> thanks ryanakca for your help!
[12:31] <nixternal> will do
[12:32] <ryanakca> bon appetit :)
[12:32] <sivang> Riddell: there might be a a cdbs rule for that, not sure. I know that when CDBS comes into the picuture there is a gnome.mk class that is supposed to be taking care of everythiing
[12:32] <sivang> Tonio_: I see, that *sounds* easy :)
[12:32] <sivang> Tonio_: so buildprep is like autoget.sh ?
[12:33] <sivang> Tonio_: you are already uploaidng for Feisty is it open yet?
[12:37] <Tonio_> sivang: yes, it helps generating the tarball
[12:37] <Tonio_> sivang: but you have to call it manually
[12:37] <sivang> Riddell: moreover, it seems that not all ofthe gnome packages even have the autogen.sh thingy
[12:37] <Tonio_> fakeroot debian/rules buildprep
[12:37] <sivang> Tonio_: same for gnome packages I think :)
[12:38] <sivang> Tonio_: see my replies to Jonathan
[12:38] <Tonio_> okay so it is the same principle
[12:38] <Tonio_> sivang: I'm not opening for feisty, I put everything on my repo for the moment :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> so I have to stay synced with Riddell changes :)
[12:40] <Tonio_> sivang: concerning kde applications, they all have the admin folder (kde ones, not qt based ones)
[12:40] <sivang> ah, okay
[12:40] <sivang> which makes them easy to manager I asume
[12:40] <Tonio_> so the buildprep can be used on any kde application that need makefiles refresh (makefile.am patches etc...)
[12:41] <Tonio_> sivang: yes, it easier since about all kde applications have the same structure
[12:41] <sivang> nice
[12:47] <sivang> Tonio_: so, what would you suggest as a practice package to disect, attempt a simulated merge to see if I get along with it?
[12:51] <Tonio_> sivang: one good example of a simple kde application packaged ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> let me have a look
[12:51] <sivang> Tonio_: thank you
[12:52] <Tonio_> sivang: klibido (universe) is a good example
[12:52] <ryanakca> brb, I'm going to try to get fglrx to work
[12:52] <Tonio_> you have the rosetta patch and veru standard builddeps
[12:52] <Tonio_> if you prefer a more complex package, kmplayer is probably better
[12:58] <jdong> ryanakca: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
[12:58] <jdong> sorry, couldn't resist.... fglrx working....
[01:00] <ryanakca> jdong: need I quote you? "Wierd... All I had to do to get fglrx working on Edgy was to install xorg-driver-fglrx and add Option Composite 0 to xorg.conf..... :)             And Xgl does work too... the only think that doesn't really work is xvideo." - October 9th, 2006 11:26AM
[01:00] <ryanakca> lol
[01:00] <jdong> ryanakca: I know, I'm joking
[01:00] <jdong> :)
[01:00] <ryanakca> lol
[01:00] <jdong> nothing more patriotic than spreading the fglrx myth, right? :)
[01:00] <ryanakca> lol, *cough*
[01:01] <ryanakca> last time I even get an ATI card
[01:01] <jdong> oh come on
[01:01] <jdong> they're still good on laptops if you need the power
[01:01] <jdong> personally, a GMA suits me fine
[01:02] <ryanakca> laptops... I have a desktop... and I had the hardest time getting it set up, and then keeping it working on Dapper...
[01:02] <jdong> as I said before, fglrx has been a good boy to me
[01:03] <ryanakca> how much ram d'you need for XGL / Compiz / beryl /whatever?
[01:03] <ryanakca> more than 375?
[01:03] <ryanakca> mb that is..
[01:04] <jdong> Xgl uses up about 100MB of RAM in a worst-case scenario
[01:04] <jdong> so I'd say 100MB more than you usually need
[01:04] <ryanakca> hmmm...
[01:06] <ryanakca> hey kwwii
[01:06] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[01:06] <kwwii> howdy ryanakca
[01:06] <kwwii> how does one check out the website?
[01:07] <ryanakca> kwwii: oh yeah, your giving the website a new look?
[01:07] <kwwii> ryanakca: yepp, but I need to adapt one of my design ideas to reality now
[01:08] <kwwii> Riddell told me once, but I forgot
[01:10] <ryanakca> kwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main  ?
[01:11] <kwwii> the mockup that flavio made was quite nice...I made some similar designs, although more based on the existing code
[01:11] <kwwii> perhaps we can implement them
[01:11] <ryanakca> link? while I'm running dist upgrade...
[01:12] <kwwii> http://flavio.tordini.org/kubuntu-restyling/
[01:16] <ryanakca> kwwii: it looks good, are your designs on paper/brain matter, or d'you have a link to them?
[01:17] <kwwii> ryanakca: I have several unfinished ideas...the biggest problem is trying to stick to the current layout/pictures and make something new
[01:18] <kwwii> if nothing else, we could make the html colors for links and titles nicer
[01:18] <kwwii> :p
[01:18] <kwwii> I would like to do a bit more than just change a few pics, as we did for dapper
[01:20] <ryanakca> we have to stick to the current layout/pictures? pitty
[01:20] <ryanakca> s/we/you
[01:24] <kwwii> ryanakca: well, there is some reasoning behind keeping the same layout as ubuntu.com
[01:26] <ryanakca> I guess
[01:28] <kwwii> but if we get enough interested parties (who know web/wiki stuff) we could make something pretty nice, I think
[01:32] <Riddell> kwwii: hi
[01:34] <Riddell> kwwii: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/kubuntu-website/main
[01:34] <kwwii> Riddell: when, exactly is the release planned?
[01:35] <kwwii> Riddell: I assume that I have a few days
[01:36] <Riddell> kwwii: thursday
[01:37] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm not looking for a major overhall of the website, just including the new kubuntu logo variant is enough :)
[01:37] <kwwii> cool :-) I should have something ready in the next two days
[01:37] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, something along that line is what I thought too
[01:37] <kwwii> I might look into the shadow effect on the bottom and the tabs as well though
[01:38] <kwwii> in addition to changing the link and title color
[01:38] <Riddell> yep
[01:39] <kwwii> no major changes in design, only in style
[01:39] <kwwii> anyway, thanks for the help
[01:39] <kwwii> today was my sons' 9th birthday...spent a long day with him, a great time
[01:40] <kwwii> and now bed
[01:40] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[01:43] <Riddell> I remember my ninth birthday
[01:43] <ryanakca> g'night
[01:43] <ryanakca> I don't.. and that was... 5 years ago.. heh
[01:43] <Riddell> it was good fun
[01:43] <ryanakca> yeah? what d'you do?
[01:44] <Riddell> went to the trampolene centre, lots of trampolenes and 20 nine year olds has to be fun
[01:44] <ryanakca> oooh, trampolenes :)
[01:44] <ryanakca> lov'em :) I could bounce all day long...
[01:45] <ryanakca> well, maybe not all day long, but still, lot's of fun :)
[01:47] <ryanakca> brb, rebooting for real now and trying to get fglrx working :)
[02:09] <nixternal> is it working?
[02:31] <sivang> wow
[02:31] <sivang> the amount of lintian warning ;)
[02:31] <sivang> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28041/
[02:31] <sivang> Tonio_: ^^
[02:31] <Tonio_> sivang: let me check :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> sivang: hehe, indeed :)
[02:33] <Tonio_> sivang: it needs love, definitly :) that was a bad example
[02:34] <Tonio_> but well that's just polishing....
[02:35] <sivang> Tonio_: right :)
[02:35] <sivang> Tonio_: so anyways, inside the /admin folder there's stuff I haven't seen much in GNOME packages
[02:35] <sivang> that is, autofoo stuff I'm not familiar with
[02:35] <Tonio_> sivang: yes
[02:35] <Tonio_> sivang: the admin folder generally comes from kde directly
[02:35] <sivang> ah, figures
[02:36] <Tonio_> it is used to generate tarballs with autobla
[02:36] <sivang> do I normally want anything with it? are there any pointed to learn about it?
[02:36] <Tonio_> no
[02:36] <Tonio_> you generally don't have to play with it except :
[02:36] <Tonio_> - to regenerate makefiles.in files using buildprep
[02:36] <Tonio_> - patching for rosetta
[02:37] <Tonio_> if the tarball isn't complete, generally adding autobla builddep is enough
[02:37] <Tonio_> cdbs + kde.mk is doing the stuff automatically
[02:38] <Tonio_> sometimes, when you have problems packaging an app that uses a very old version of admin, you can replace it
[02:38] <sivang> pretty cool, seems you guys mostly rest when a merge cycle opens :)
[02:38] <Tonio_> I sometimes do it, last time with katapult for example
[02:39] <nixternal> for release notes for the web page, do you think it would be wise to not include KTorrent, so people don't read into it, and try to establish Kubuntu with illegal file sharing?
[02:39] <Tonio_> but kde packaging is, to what I know, more "standard" than gnome apps packaging
[02:39] <Tonio_> because apps have to respect a certain structure, and packaging techniques are most of the time the same
[02:39] <nixternal> or should I include, with a footnote, which would state that Kubuntu doesn't support illegal downloading
[02:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum....... konqueror allows to download illegal stuff
[02:40] <Tonio_> wget too
[02:40] <Tonio_> firefox, same problem......
[02:41] <Tonio_> ftp too :)
[02:41] <jjesse> sftp
[02:41] <nixternal> yes, but the public doesn't link them the way they do bit torrent applications
[02:41] <jjesse> as well :)
 for release notes for the web page, do you think it would be wise to not include KTorrent, so people don't read into it, and try to establish Kubuntu with illegal file sharing?
[02:41] <nixternal> jjesse: ^^
[02:41] <nixternal> you have a little experience with this type of documentation i think ;)
[02:41] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum.... dunno in fact
[02:41] <jjesse> nixternal: i don't think it is an issue as it is obviously a part of the main inclusion and deemed not a big deal by those in charge
 or should I include, with a footnote, which would state that Kubuntu doesn't support illegal downloading
[02:42] <Tonio_> my ktorrent usage is legal, so ;)
[02:42] <jjesse> ie sabdfl or rideout
[02:42] <jdong> nixternal: my ktorrent usage is 99.95% legal...
[02:42] <jjesse> doh Riddell
[02:42] <nixternal> heh, i don't even use it ;)
[02:42] <jjesse> +1 Tonio_ and jdong
[02:42] <jdong> and IMO ktorrent 2 is a big deal
[02:42] <jdong> I've put a lot of time into it, too, so I'm happy to see it publicized
[02:42] <jjesse> nixternal: maybe you are being a little paronoid?
[02:42] <nixternal> thats all i needed, but if someone comes at us and says that we support it, then i am pointing the fingers at jdong, Tonio_, and jjesse ;)
[02:42] <nixternal> muhehehe
[02:43] <jjesse> don't remember if i mentioned in the chpt in the official book, but i think it is fine
[02:43] <jdong> go ahead :)
[02:43] <nixternal> hehe
[02:43] <Tonio_> nixternal: answer him that we support a technology, widely used for legal purpose
[02:43] <nixternal> jdong wants it pimped as that is one of his projects
[02:43] <jjesse> +1 Tonio_
[02:43] <Tonio_> it is like selling knifes
[02:43] <Tonio_> doesn't mean you support murdering :)
[02:43] <jjesse> or guns
[02:43] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:43] <jjesse> or cigarettes :)
[02:43] <jdong> though I do have to raise an eyebrow at the default search engines
[02:43] <jdong> which include ISOHunt, Piratebay, and Mininova
[02:43] <jjesse> interesting didn't even notice that
[02:44] <jdong> of course, all three of those claim to be legal and respect copyrights, too....
[02:44] <nixternal> Tonio_: i support murdering, but i prefer guns instead ;)
[02:44] <nixternal> hehe
[02:44] <nixternal> that was a sick joke
[02:44] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe
[02:44] <Tonio_> jdong: yes, default search engines should be cleaned a bit
[02:44] <sivang> Tonio_: I see, interesting.
[02:44] <jjesse> has anyone tried to boot kubuntu either edgy or dapper on any of the new Intel Q965 chipset motherboards?
[02:44] <jdong> jjesse: there's some wiki reports of it
[02:44] <jjesse> cause i can't
[02:45] <jdong> jjesse: though it's kind of outdated (based on edgy beta info)
[02:45] <Tonio_> sivang: your servant ! ask if you have any question
[02:45] <jdong> if it doesn't work, you should really hop over to #ubuntu-devel and poke BenC
[02:45] <jjesse> i was using the release candiate
[02:45] <jdong> hmm, it should've been working by then
[02:45] <jdong> poke a kernel dev
[02:45] <jjesse> jdong thanks
[02:45] <jdong> either on -devel or -kernel
[02:46] <jjesse> its actually a chance i get to use kubuntu at work :)
[02:46] <jdong> oh man, I feel so dirty for using GNOME for a week :D
[02:46] <jdong> jjesse: perhaps a bit more info about what happens when you try the boot would be appropriate
[02:47] <jjesse> sure i'm looking up my bug report
[02:47] <jdong> ok, just checking :)
[02:47] <nixternal> hrmm..if ktorrent wasn't such an issue, how come suse doesn't ship it due to legal reasons, reguarding p2p apps?
[02:47] <jjesse> bug 66546
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66546 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Desktop CD doesn't boot for Intel Q965 chipsets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66546
[02:47] <jdong> usually around this time -devel is crankyest
[02:47] <jdong> nixternal: no, they ship it, they turned off DHT though
[02:47] <jdong> because DHT to them is a p2p liability
[02:48] <nixternal> well, they removed the dht patch, and now don't ship it
[02:48] <jdong> though Fedora has no issues with Azureus
[02:48] <nixternal> that is true
[02:48] <jdong> and that's full-blown Azureus, too.. DHT, PEX, PE, and friends
[02:48] <nixternal> oh well..im not worried about it..i will present it to Riddell and let him decide
[02:48] <jjesse> whose concenred about it besides you nixternal?
[02:48] <jdong> nixternal: I see an issue with the default search engines, but not with the program itself
[02:49] <jdong> and I haven't seen any precedent that DHT or PEX or PE is a legal issue....
[02:49] <jdong> and bittorrent.com has made friends with the entertainment industry, too
[02:51] <theine> Hi, if want to get meaningful backtraces when Kmail crashes, shall I install libc6-dbg and kdepim-dbg?
[02:52] <nixternal> well, with all of the recent riaa actions here in the united states, and congress pushing to ban p2p crap, i thought i would rather ask then present something that could be treading on thin ice in some peoples minds
[02:52] <nixternal> better safe than sorry is the motto here
[02:54] <jdong> nixternal: yeah, I guess, but I don't think there's anything wrong with bittorrent itself
[02:54] <jdong> paranoid redhat doesn't seem to object, and that's enough confidence for me :D
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Whoot :) Fedora Core 6 :)
[04:29] <jjesse> is it out now?
[04:30] <Jucato> really?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Umm... I don't think it is officially. They should be on the server but they are still 403 as far as I can tell
[04:30] <Jucato> "Fedora Core 6 arrives on 2006-10-24, 14:00 GMT"
[04:30] <Jucato> hmm.. that would be 10pm here...
[04:32] <jjesse> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule
[04:32] <jjesse> fc6 general avilability oct. 24
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Oh I heard that they changed ubuntu edgy to be Pink?
[04:38] <jjesse> grin that's funny
[04:38] <Jucato> lol
[04:39] <DaSkreech> I broke X this morning and jumped into #ubuntu+1 and they were have some family friendly words to say about it :)
[05:07] <skreech> Why can't you ping programs?
[05:13] <skreech> Oh.. AIGLX is on by default in Edgy?
[05:14] <skreech> Nice.  I did it again"
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Now it's reversed
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I can use the keyboard but not the mouse
[05:34] <Jucato> er...
[05:34] <DaSkreech> the mouse it self moves but Klicking does nothing
[05:35] <Jucato> and this is brought about by Kopete on Edgy?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> no Kopete on Dapper
[05:35] <DaSkreech>  I've not had any issues with kopete on edgy
[05:35] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.5?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> .4
[05:36] <Jucato> ah... that's not.. um.. normal. never had that problem (at least with Kopete 0.12.2 on Dapper/KDE 3.5.4)
[05:36] <DaSkreech> I heard >things< about .5
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Umm
[05:37] <Jucato> yeah.. some "things"...
[05:37] <DaSkreech> I'm using 12.1
[05:37] <Jucato> oh...
[05:37] <DaSkreech> 0.12.1
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Is that a poignant pause or just confusion in the air?
[05:38] <Jucato> confusion...
[05:38] <Jucato> as to what maybe causing this "bug"
[05:40] <DaSkreech> this is exterem but it takes over mysystem nearly every time I start it
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok this may mean something but I just opened an app and the bouncing icon doesn't follow the mouse
[06:36] <DaSkreech> I thought you did that already?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> there was another one
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Two Driving tests?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> (means i can drive faster, and can get caught three times before losing my licence)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> this was a hazard perception test - computer based
[06:37] <jdong> lol
[06:37] <Hobbsee> "touch the screen when you would slow down"  "touch the screen when you would turn right"
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Sooo they have a test for people who play video games?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> 3/4 of the tests are computer based.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> the other is a driving test, which is when you first go for solo drivin
[06:37] <Hobbsee> g
[06:46] <DaSkreech> right so kopete just closed (I think X killed it since Firefox died as well) and the mouse works again
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Gnight
[11:36] <sivang> morning all ;)
[11:36] <Riddell> mornnng
[11:36] <sivang> ah, konversation is slick and nice
[11:36] <Riddell> new CD images are up and ready for testing!
[11:36] <sivang> morning Riddell
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hey sivang, Riddell
[11:39] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[11:39] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[11:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, so you got it back :)
[11:40] <Jucato> yeah! *finally*
[11:40] <Jucato> after almost 3 weeks, and US$ 20
[11:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:40] <Jucato> at least I have it back... my preciousssss :)
[11:51] <imbrandon> heh
[11:51] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[11:51] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[11:51] <imbrandon> Riddell, new RC images ?
[11:51] <imbrandon> or final
[11:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: RC is out
[11:55] <imbrandon> yea i know that i did a install with it some days ago
[11:55] <Riddell> so that would make these final candidates
[11:55] <Riddell> how exciting!
[11:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:56] <Jucato> heheh :)
[11:56] <imbrandon> isnt there a way for me to rsync my current image so i dont have to redownload a whole new image ?
[11:56] <imbrandon> my RC iso
[11:57] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ ls -l
[11:57] <imbrandon> total 714732
[11:57] <imbrandon> -rw-r--r-- 1 root    root    731160576 2006-10-18 07:42 kubuntu-6.10-rc-desktop-powerpc.iso
[11:58] <Riddell> yes
[11:58] <Riddell> see KubuntuFiles
[11:58] <imbrandon> kk, i should have known that
[12:06] <imbrandon> any clue what this means ?
[12:06] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:/media/devel/support_files$ rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-powerpc.iso .
[12:06] <imbrandon> rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)
[12:06] <imbrandon> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(614) [receiver=2.6.8]
[01:22] <Tonio_> hey
[01:24] <Riddell> morning Tonio_, going to help in the Great Edgy CD Testing Marathon?
[01:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: keep trying, the rsync server can be fussy
[01:24] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea i finaly got it
[01:25] <imbrandon> infact i have it booted no issues so far
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I had stuff to finish yesterday, but I'm just downloading current.
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> I think I do something wrong in launchpad regarding bugs
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> how do I tag it as a edgy bug?
[01:45] <Riddell> in general you don't
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> oh
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> how do you know if its a dapper or a edgy bug?
[01:46] <Riddell> we usually assume it's in the current distro
[01:46] <Riddell> and if it's not, then it's fixed :)
[01:47] <jeroenvrp> ok, so I will add edgy in the comments
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I'll have to go out and buy one :)
[02:03] <Riddell> rewritables are the way to go :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know but I lost them when I left my old appartment......
[02:05] <Tonio_> AH !!!!!!
[02:05] <Tonio_> found it finally
[02:05] <Tonio_> a bunch of 20 rewritables
[02:05] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:05] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Fetched 414MB in 53s (7724kB/s)  <-- yay for local mirrors
[02:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: butning
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will have a question concerning konqueror and the settings loading
[02:06] <Tonio_> the problem is in konqueror, but I fixed in kds
[02:06] <Tonio_> I think we should patch konqueror instead to load kconfig settings instead of "konqueror.rc"
[02:06] <Tonio_> better to fix upstream directly than workarrounding in my opinion
[02:07] <Tonio_> I will try to patch
[02:08] <claydoh> is there a link or documentation on why the dirs in root are hidden?
[02:08] <Jucato> claydoh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[02:08] <Tonio_> claydoh: argh ! not once again please :)
[02:08] <Jucato> hehe Tonio_ :)
[02:09] <claydoh> well I couldnt find it  soorry
[02:09] <Tonio_> claydoh: ;)
[02:09] <claydoh> well it is a contentios item
[02:09] <Jucato> claydoh: the blog post from Sime that's linked to in that wiki has more explanations I guess
[02:09] <claydoh> cool
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I discussed a lot with sivang yesterday, he looks very interested in kde packaging :) cool :)
[02:09] <claydoh> I personally don't care but there is some flack
[02:10] <Jucato> Tonio_: will we have a sort of permanent wiki for KubuntuKDEMedia? something we could point users to?(there will be *lots* of them asking)
[02:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: well it should be escribed with the release on kubuntu.org
[02:10] <Tonio_> that's the best to do in my opinion
[02:11] <Jucato> ok. gonna wait on that one :)
[02:12] <claydoh> I do wonder why so-called experienced users would find the hidden bits a problem area
[02:13] <Jucato> claydoh: they already do :)
[02:14] <claydoh> I'm dense and it took me all of 15 seconds
[02:15] <claydoh> but also a kde user for about 5 years now
[02:16] <Jucato> claydoh: well, the bottom line is probably something like this: "newbies won't even know it's missing, oldies would know (or would be told) how to workaround it."
[02:17] <claydoh> its the same as ~/.kde to me
[02:17] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:18] <Jucato> claydoh: I see you're found that little thread in KFN about it :)
[02:18] <claydoh> ya
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: only alternate to test ?
[02:19] <Tonio_> I can't test it since I only have one machine here
[02:19] <Jucato> I better post that link (wiki and blog)
[02:19] <Tonio_> ah no just found the desktop cd
[02:20] <Jucato> ooh good morning to you, then Tonio_ :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe, thank you ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: all
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I found the desktop cd...
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't test the alternate, I don't have my desktop anymore...
[02:48] <apokryphos> dang, all the mirrors are soo slow
[02:51] <Riddell> I don't think the current ISOs are mirrored
[02:52] <apokryphos> just finding that out; I was just inserting countrycode.cdimage.ubuntu.com and it misleadingly resolved the page :P
[02:57] <apokryphos> only one that looks like it should have it is trusty heanet, but the desktop cd there is a day old. Nevermind, hopefully it speeds up. What should take 10 minutes is on 10 hours :P
[03:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:47] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:47] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:50] <mhb> hi all
[03:51] <Jucato> hi mhb!
[03:51] <Jucato> ooh mornfall was here? O_O
[03:51] <gnomefreak> whos good with konq?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> someones got a weird error in konq on edgy
[03:54] <mhb> I didn't know he's from around here (Czech)
[03:54] <Jucato> mhb: heheh :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I can try to help
[03:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: what's the problem ?
[03:57] <gnomefreak> let me grab the error
[03:57] <gnomefreak> There was an error loading the module Icon View.
[03:57] <gnomefreak> 09:49 <           bertu > The diagnostics is:
[03:57] <gnomefreak> 09:49 <           bertu > /usr/lib/kde3/konq_iconview.so: undefined symbol:
[03:57] <gnomefreak> _ZN6KParts16BrowserExtension12itemsRemovedERK8QPtrListI9KFileItemE
[03:58] <Tonio_> hum.....
[03:58] <gnomefreak> undefined symbol is what i found weird since its only him
[03:58] <Tonio_> what is he trying to do ?
[03:58] <gnomefreak> that i have heard of so far
[03:58] <gnomefreak> he says running it
[03:58] <Tonio_> opening an iso file ?
[03:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: there is no real k3b/konqueror relationship
[03:59] <Tonio_> except a servicemenu
[03:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I need to know what he exactly does
[03:59] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: he said no iso
[03:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: where is he ?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu+1
[04:32] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: ty for your help im guessing either it worked or his systeem crashed lol
[04:32] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: worked :)
[04:32] <Tonio_> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:32] <Tonio_> 044.   kappfinder kdebase kdelibs kpager kpersonalizer ktip
[04:32] <Tonio_> oups......... klipper sucks sometimes
[04:32] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[04:32] <Tonio_> [16:23]  <bertu> tonio_: working!
[04:33] <Tonio_> here it is
[04:33] <gnomefreak> cool ty
[04:35] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: your servant
[07:10] <tomaz> hy ppl.
[07:10] <tomaz> i'm having repaint problems in kicker when i'm using KPDF
[07:11] <tomaz> and i wish to try to fix this bug, but i don't know about QT. any help?
[07:46] <Riddell> tomaz: that sounds like an advanced bug, but #kpdf may be able to help more
[07:47] <tomaz> tanks
[09:31] <mhb> quiet today
[09:33] <Lure> mhb: true
[09:34] <fdoving> I haven't found a smart way to unhide hidden files in a certain directory, for gnome/gtk apps..  like 'ShowDotFiles=true" > .directory in kde.
[09:36] <mhb> fdoving: only for GNOME apps?
[09:36] <mhb> fdoving: I fear it's close to impossible.
[09:36] <fdoving> mhb: not only for gnome apps, but only for a certain directory, in every gnome/gtk apps.
[09:37] <xeros> hi everybody :)
[09:37] <mhb> xeros: hi
[09:37] <fdoving> mhb: some guy in ##gnome told me they don't have that feature.
[09:38] <xeros> mhb: you had the same problem with plural forms in rosetta as we in PL. Is it fixed or there is a temporary workaround for that?
[09:39] <mhb> xeros: I fear not yet
[09:39] <mhb> xeros: I hoped uploading the corrected .po file will fix that, but no luck
[09:41] <mhb> fdoving: heh :o) they do, Sime wrote in his "famous blogpost" that they have it for quite some time
[09:41] <fdoving> mhb: where? and how?
[09:42] <mhb> fdoving: oh, you mean disabling that.
[09:42] <xeros> mhb: too bad :( it makes few important parts untranslated because translators don't want to put broken packages...
[09:42] <mhb> fdoving: I meant the hiding one, sorry
[09:43] <mhb> fdoving: no idea about that
[09:43] <mhb> fdoving: but the gnome guy could be right
[09:43] <fdoving> mhb: i mean fixing the bugs/problems introduced by the hiding.
[09:44] <xeros> ok, I'm going to sleep, good night to everyone...
[09:44] <mhb> xeros: I agree, bad bad bad
[09:52] <mhb> fdoving: oh... not heard about that, sadly
[09:53] <fdoving> mhb: not heard about the bugs introduced by /.hidden ?
[09:55] <mhb> fdoving: I did, but not about the fixes sadly
[09:55] <mhb> fdoving: :o) sorry for the confusion
[09:56] <mhb> sivang: what did you use before?
[09:56] <fdoving> is a symlink a 'special file' ? if it is, having /.hidden is not compatbile with the FHS.
[09:57] <Riddell> sivang: in which way?
[09:57] <mhb> fdoving: it is a special file, AFAIK
[09:58] <fdoving> the FHS says: "Applications must never create or require special files or subdirectories in the root directory. Other locations in the FHS hierarchy provide more than enough flexibility for any package."
[10:00] <apokryphos> Riddell: know of any other mirrors yet by any chance?
[10:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: there's no mirrors for the candidates
[10:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: well heanet mirrors them at least, but it's just a day old it seems
[10:06] <Riddell> which is meaningless for us
[10:06] <apokryphos> just a bit of a shame that there's a day to use the ISO, and it takes half a day to download :/
[10:07] <Riddell> apokryphos: what speed is your internet connection?
[10:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: 24megabit
[10:07] <Riddell> jings
[10:07] <apokryphos> I normally download up to 2meg/sec, but here.... 15-20 kb/sec
[10:07] <Riddell> that's twice what I have, you should be able to download in 5 minutes
[10:07] <apokryphos> yeah
[10:07] <fdoving> what is it you're downloading?
[10:08] <apokryphos> edgy amd64 daily build
[10:08] <Riddell> cdimage.u.c. is variable when it's under heavy use like it is today but there shouldn't be a problem in general
[10:08] <fdoving> apokryphos: do you have the url?
[10:09] <Riddell> hello luis__lopez
[10:09] <Riddell> hello tmg too
[10:09] <fdoving> apokryphos: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/edgy-desktop-amd64.iso this?
[10:10] <apokryphos> fdoving: yeah
[10:10] <Riddell> hello TheBearded1
[10:10] <fdoving> apokryphos: i'm getting ~1000KB/s from there.
[10:10] <apokryphos> crazy, I'm in London too
[10:10] <fdoving> apokryphos: i can download it, and put online, if you want.. then you could check the speed.
[10:11] <apokryphos> fdoving: that would be really great 8)
[10:11] <apokryphos> I guess I could've always downloaded it onto one of my servers and then downloaded from there; odd that it'd go faster there though, they're in the US too
[10:13] <apokryphos> I also normally get great download speeds from Ubu servers. It's all very curious 8)
[10:13] <fdoving> 40%
[10:22] <Hawkwind> Has usplash been backported to Dapper and I assume if it has, it's fully working ?
[10:22] <Riddell> I doubt it's in backports
[10:23] <Hawkwind> Is it available for Dapper at all anywhere ?
[10:23] <Hawkwind> Someone mentioned they have it for Dapper, but it only displays  anything if run from the command line
[10:24] <fdoving> apokryphos: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/rc/edgy-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:28] <Riddell> Hawkwind: it's in the default dapper
[10:28] <apokryphos> fdoving: 1.5mb/sec -- thanks
[10:29] <fdoving> apokryphos: nice, you're welcome :)
[10:29] <apokryphos> =)
[10:29] <ryanakca> hmm... odd how my ISP says I should have download speeds around 1.5mb/s... yes most of the time it's at 300kb/s...
[10:30] <ryanakca> 800kb/s on some of the ubuntu servers
[10:30] <ryanakca> s/yes/yet
[10:31] <Hawkwind> Riddell: The reason I was asking about the backport of Edgy's usplash is because it supports 256 colors and allows for larger images up to 1024x768 where dappers doesn't
[10:32] <mhb> um ... is there an easy way how to share files in Kubuntu (Edgy)?
[10:32] <mhb> not remotely, just locally
[10:32] <Hawkwind> mhb: NFS ?
[10:32] <fdoving> browse to the other users homedir?
[10:32] <Riddell> mhb: public file server applet in kicker
[10:33] <Riddell> it's the most stupid place to have it
[10:34] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[10:35] <mhb> Riddell: since /tmp and the like are now (and will be) hidden maybe it's time for Feisty to enable sharing in some easy way
[10:36] <mhb> Riddell: I didn't know about this applet until you told me ... I was actually looking at the most obvious place ->System Settings -> Sharing
[10:37] <fdoving> mhb: can't you browse other users files by default?
[10:37] <Riddell> mhb: I'd agree, but fixing the UI to that applet to be sane wouldn't be easy to maintain when moving to KDE 4 so it might not be the best time to do it
[10:38] <Riddell> if there was an easy way to do it I'd be all for it of course
[10:39] <mhb> fdoving: god I hope no
[10:39] <fdoving> mhb: i think you can.
[10:40] <fdoving> and that's normal.
[10:40] <mhb> fdoving: normal?
[10:40] <fdoving> yes.
[10:41] <mhb> so like every user can check on my ./password file in /home/martin/secret/ ?
[10:41] <fdoving> unless you set the permissions more strict than default, yes.
[10:41] <mhb> it should be the other way arround
[10:42] <mhb> Riddell: it's really like that? $home dirs can be read by other users?
[10:43] <fdoving> you can ofcouse remove the 'execute' permission from 'everyone' on /home/martin and prevent them from entering your $HOME, but you would still have to set a more restrictive umask if you want that to be default behaviour.
[10:43] <mhb> fdoving: I guess that's not normal
[10:43] <fdoving> mhb: that's perfectly normal.
[10:43] <mhb> fdoving: does any other OS/distro have such feature?
[10:44] <fdoving> has been this way in every distro i've tried the last ~6 years
[10:44] <mhb> fdoving: maybe I've used the wrong ones
[10:44] <mhb> fdoving: the secure ones, that is ...
[10:45] <mhb> fdoving: I probably need to check it with someone
[10:45] <mhb> fdoving: thanks
[10:46] <mhb> fdoving: it's not that normal, for example in Debian " Normally access to a particular user's home directory is restricted to the actual user and to members of the user's primary group"
[10:47] <mhb> fdoving: which seems logical to me
[10:47] <mhb> fdoving: but I need to know more about it before I start panicking :o)
[10:47] <Riddell> home directories are rwxr-xr-x by default
[10:47] <GNUro> Hi
[10:47] <GNUro> Hi Riddell!
[10:47] <mhb> Riddell: readable by everyone else?
[10:48] <Riddell> mhb: yes
[10:48] <Riddell> hi GNUro
[10:49] <mhb> Riddell: and I guess no user/admin can set "Private home dirs" in any graphical tool
[10:49] <Riddell> mhb: any file manager
[10:50] <mhb> Riddell: I mean for the new users onwards
[10:50] <mhb> Riddell: as well?
[10:50] <Riddell> none that I know of
[10:51] <fdoving> so.. sharing files is easy :)
[10:51] <mhb> fdoving: yeah, sharing passwords as well
[10:51] <fdoving> you'll have to restrict access to the file then :)
[10:52] <Riddell> mhb: any passwords you have should be encrypted (which doesn't make your points incorrect of course)
[10:52] <mhb> Riddell: yes, of course, but we always consider joe users, not me
[10:53] <Riddell> yes
[10:54] <mhb> Riddell: "normal" users sometimes tend to make a small text file with a password for seldomly-used FTP connection, for example
[10:55] <fdoving> mhb: you can set DIR_MODE in /etc/adduser.conf to 0770 or 0750 if you want to.
[10:56] <fdoving> though.. guidance userconfig probably doesn't read that file..
[10:56] <mhb> fdoving: OK, but here I can name a few use cases when joe family admin needs to do that too
[10:56] <mhb> fdoving: so it should be reachable through systemsettings IMHO
[10:57] <fdoving> mhb: then he does: kmenu -> run command -> kdesu konqueror -> browse to /home/ -
[10:58] <mhb> Riddell: is this feature (visible $home dirs) documented in KDG?
[10:58] <fdoving> > select directories he wants to make private -> right click -> permissions -> others forbidden
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: he wants to make all home dirs private
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: nothing public
[10:58] <fdoving> then select everything.
[10:59] <mhb> fdoving: he cannot change the rights on other users' home dirs without kdesu
[10:59] <fdoving> correct.
[11:00] <mhb> the strangest thing is such important information are almost never well documented ... it's a shame, really
[11:00] <fdoving> every user can do this for his own homedir.
[11:00] <fdoving> mhb: because this is default and normal in the unix/linux world. :)
[11:00] <mhb> security and privacy is important in this age
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: and joe knows that, right?
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: he doesn't
[11:01] <Riddell> mhb: kubuntu desktop guide isn't the best maintained document, do take it over for fiesty if you want
[11:03] <fdoving> A button in system settings saying 'make my homedir private' or the opposite (if the default behaviour is changed) wouldn't hurt though.
[11:04] <mhb> Riddell: OK, I'll try to improve on that
[11:04] <Riddell> mhb: talk to robotgeek first of course
[11:06] <mhb> Riddell: sure ... I'll collect more ideas, first
[11:06] <mhb> fdoving: the current solution is not that bad, when all users know what the current policy is
[11:07] <Riddell> mhb: I'm sure it's the same in debian
[11:08] <mhb> Riddell: a note I found on a Debian wiki page (could be inaccurate, though): "Normally access to a particular user's home directory is restricted to the actual user and to members of the user's primary group. Members which fall into the "other" permissions category (non-user, non-group members) are not allowed to even change directories into the user's home directory.
[11:08] <Riddell> it's not clear what "access" means there
[11:08] <Riddell> of course I havn't used debian in about two years
[11:09] <fdoving> mhb: i can not confirm this, but i think that is wrong, if it haven't changed lately.
[11:09] <mhb> Riddell: it's clear though that others have neither read nor execute rights
[11:09] <nixternal> \sh_away: you gotta watch out, people read them blogs the wrong way..one guy lashed out at me about my comments from america, and then he retardedly realized where i was from ;)
[11:09] <mhb> I'll go ask elsewhere
[11:10] <nixternal> well well well you kubuntoerzesisks, how is everyone doing this fine tuesday?
[11:11] <Riddell> nixternal: waiting for people to test the candidates
[11:11] <Riddell> don't think anyone as yet :(
[11:11] <nixternal> i have
[11:12] <nixternal> oh wait..link me please
[11:12] <jjesse> the release canidate?
[11:12] <Riddell> jjesse: the final candidate!
[11:12] <jjesse> ah, haven't had a chance yet and wont :(
[11:12] <nixternal> i have just installed a download on my lappy, and finally the 2.6.17 kernel, greater than the -6 release, works
[11:12] <Riddell> nixternal: if you've tested the current candidates please fill in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[11:13] <jjesse> i wonder if the release will wokr on the intel q965 chipset?
[11:13] <nixternal> ahh, i thought that was for you head honchos
[11:13] <nixternal> i can help out there Riddell!
[11:13] <Riddell> nixternal: it's for everyone
[11:13] <jjesse> me too nixternal, didn't knwo that was for the ordinary user
[11:13] <nixternal> i see the names on there, and they are the big wigs of the community...i usually just spectated that page
[11:14] <Riddell> I guess nobody read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001415.html then
[11:15] <jdong> jjesse: I hope it works on the q965... and all the kernel devs seem to think they got that down pat a while back.... :(
[11:16] <jjesse> jdong: i took the release candiate on an hp dc7700 w/ the q965 and didn't boot
[11:16] <jdong> jjesse: yeah, you told me that last night...
[11:16] <jjesse> intel dual core dc 7700
[11:16] <jdong> that's concerning though...
[11:16] <jdong> 7700.... that's the mobile core 2 duo ,right?
[11:16] <jdong> merom?
[11:16] <jjesse> correct
[11:17] <jdong> hmm, I'm not sure about how the centrino platform for c2d has changed....
[11:17] <jjesse> correct
[11:17] <jdong> I know the desktop q965 express mobo is supposed to work now....
[11:17] <jdong> I'm not sure about the mobile
[11:17] <jdong> what did it do when you tried to boot it?
[11:17] <jjesse> is that different since the release candiate, it was on a desktop
[11:18] <jdong> yeah, they're completely different
[11:18] <jjesse> well it failed on both the dapper and edgy build
[11:18] <jdong> the mobile core 2 duo should work perfectly on dapper and edgy in theory
[11:18] <jdong> as I don't think the platform/mobo had changed since core duo
[11:18] <jdong> (i.e. still the Napa mobo)
[11:18] <jdong> on the desktop it's a different story
[11:18] <jdong> can you get me a link to your LP bug again?
[11:19] <jjesse> trying to remember from my bug report but on edgy after the first screen of the slash screen nothing happens
[11:20] <jdong> hmm
[11:20] <jdong> jjesse: have you had any luck finding a kernel dev in -devel or -kernel?
[11:20] <jdong> they'd be your best bet
[11:20] <jjesse> i haven't had a chance as i've been !irc
[11:21] <jdong> well, I don't think there's many of us around (other than BenC) who have touched a core 2 duo
[11:21] <jjesse> i'll try again tonight and aslo mail benc and see what's going on
[11:21] <jdong> so asking us repeatedly is probably gonna get you nowhere .... :(
[11:21] <jdong> if someone sends me a core 2 duo for free, I'll investigate compatibility :D
[11:21] <jjesse> bummer, i might have some time to work on the computer its a clients pc
[11:22] <jjesse> +1 o nthat
[11:22] <jdong> sadly, if there is a problem with Edgy support, it's too late to do anything about it
[11:22] <jdong> I think we've already gone to the point of no return :)
[11:22] <jjesse> i know, i was hoping someone saw the bug before it went, but i guess not...
[11:23] <jjesse> sorry internet is running slow for me so i can't pull up that bug
[11:23] <jdong> it's ok
[11:23] <jdong> in other news, IE7's actually somewhat usable now
[11:23] <jdong> even though it's still not my favorite Windows browser :D
[11:23] <jjesse> i like ie7, plus launchpad now works w/ it
[11:23] <jdong> yeah, if I'm gonna be stuck with IE, I'd much rather have IE7 :)
[11:24] <jjesse> jdong: bug #66546
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66546 in kernel-package "Kubuntu Desktop CD doesn't boot for Intel Q965 chipsets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66546
[11:24] <jdong> it was a little quirky when I used it yesterday though
[11:24] <jdong> I was using windowsupdate though
[11:24] <jjesse> Riddell: do you know if you can have a kernel dev look at that bug?
[11:24] <jdong> jjesse: the bug should be filed against linux-source-2.6.17
[11:24] <jdong> kernel-package is a set of scripts used to compile your own kernel into .debs
[11:25] <Riddell> jjesse: I imagine Ben is busy like all the devs with testing CDs
[11:25] <jjesse> ok
[11:25] <jdong> jjesse: poking Riddell is probably not gonna help any more :)
[11:25] <jjesse> grin i know
[11:26] <jjesse> i'll try and update the bug tomorrow as the dc7700 is at work :(
[11:26] <jdong> jjesse: hmm, the devs will probably need more info than that for it to be meaningful
[11:26] <jdong> like use F6 to remove "quiet" from the boot options
[11:26] <jdong> that'll spit out more output
[11:26] <jjesse> ok
[11:26] <nixternal> Riddell: what specifically needs to be tested, on the i386 platform?  it looks like there have been a few successful tests already, so having 4 or 5 people put PASS is OK im guessing?
[11:26] <jdong> hopefully that'll help us isolate where it's freezing
[11:27] <jjesse> hmm time to head out and run, i'lll update this bug tongith
[11:27] <jjesse> and tomorrow
[11:27] <Riddell> nixternal: fill in whatever gaps you can, but in general the most tests the better
[11:27] <Riddell> anyone who can test the winfoss would be especially welcome
[11:27] <nixternal> i think i can handle that then
[11:28] <nixternal> oh..i gotta go do those screenshots anyways..i will test that here in a few minutes
[11:28] <jdong> Riddell: what WinFOSS is on the kubuntu CD's?
[11:28] <jdong> same as ubuntu?
[11:28] <Riddell> jdong: no, much better winfoss!
[11:28] <Riddell> it's blue!
[11:28] <jdong> LOL
[11:29] <Riddell> kexi, kdepim, scribus, speedcrunch (and firefox and thunderbird)
[11:29] <jdong> oh, cool
[11:29] <jdong> kdepim works under windows?
[11:29] <mhb> oh bad, hit the bandwidth limit ... I'll download the image through rsync at night and will report tomorrow morning, okay?
[11:29] <Riddell> well, an old port of korganiser does
[11:29] <nixternal> derrr
[11:30] <nixternal> ya, that all works
[11:30] <Riddell> so if anyone can test the winfoss from the DVD or 64 bit desktop CD (it's just 32 bit winfoss I'm sure) that would be cool
[11:33] <Riddell> abattoir: hugs to you for testing
[11:35] <mhb> Riddell: you were right about Debian, 755
[11:35] <apokryphos> Live ISO so far is fine except all same RC issues/bugs
[11:37] <Lure> Riddell: I have a fix for bug 67889 - can I target it for edgy-updates?
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67889 in kdebase "(edgy) KDE crashes when logout is canceled" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67889
[11:37] <Riddell> Lure: sure
[11:37] <Riddell> Lure: put debdiff and .debs somewhere for me and matt to look at when you can
[11:37] <mhb> good night all
[11:38] <Riddell> night mhb
[11:38] <nixternal> alrighty, my tests have been uploaded
[11:38] <fdoving> nite mhb.
[11:38] <nixternal> actually, they weren't tests to begin with, but i just got done doing all that stuff for my laptop, and my other desktop ;)
[11:39] <Lure> Riddell: debdiff is attached to bug and .deb is on my web server (link in bug)
[11:39] <Riddell> Lure: ok, I'll try and look at that tomorrow
[11:39] <Riddell> nixternal: those are with the current ISOs?
[11:40] <nixternal> i got them about 2 hours ago
[11:40] <nixternal> is there anything more current than that?
[11:40] <Riddell> nixternal: that's perfect
[11:41] <nixternal> heh, i was gonna use /cmd to paste the info, but i already rm'd the iso ;)
[11:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: is it worth reporting typo errors atm?
[11:41] <nixternal> it is always important
[11:42] <nixternal> but they can't be fixed until after thursday
[11:42] <apokryphos> as I thought, I'll report the bug anyhow
[11:42] <nixternal> hehe
[11:42] <Riddell> apokryphos: in what?
[11:43] <apokryphos> Riddell: well, the System Menu with "Users Folders", and in Qtparted it says "Warning, you can lost data!"
[11:43] <nixternal> Riddell: there is a newer iso than what i had..so im downloading it, to give it a try as well
[11:46] <Riddell> apokryphos: best just to fix that upstream at this stage
[11:46] <apokryphos> k
[11:47] <apokryphos> few people are as annoying about apostrophes as me, anyhow 8)
[11:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: I try to be, although in that case I'm more concerned with the silly icon next to it
[11:48] <apokryphos> heh, oh yeah
[11:54] <apokryphos> Kubuntu Device Database -- very interesting, didn't know about that


[13:27] <cyphermox> happyaron: if there's any way you can approve translation suggestions, it would be the right time. it doesn't look like there's any new translations to take for ubuntukylin: zh_CN has 7 translated (but still 16 untranslated, some of which seem like you'll see some english in the slideshow...), zh_HK is all translated but hasn't changed, and zh_TW is untranslated
[13:27] <cyphermox> there's a change to sneak in a translation update, but we should be quick
[14:51] <happyaron> cyphermox: it seems that slideshow-ubuntukylin.pot isn't exported to Launchpad for translation
[14:52] <happyaron> should I update the po files directly in VCS?
[15:17] <cyphermox> happyaron: no
[15:18] <cyphermox> happyaron: I'm not sure what makes you say that, because I clearly see untranslated strings in zh_*
[15:18] <happyaron> so what to do?
[15:18] <cyphermox> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/slideshow-ubuntukylin/zh_CN/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
[15:19] <cyphermox> things have suggestions, they should be marked as reviewed or accepted or something
[15:19] <happyaron> ok the -slideshow-ubuntu package
[15:19] <cyphermox> I do not think I have access to do that.
[15:19] <happyaron> will do it now
[15:33] <happyaron> cyphermox: I think it's good now
[15:45] <cyphermox> indeed, looks better
[15:45] <cyphermox> now it depends if it's too late or not :)
[15:53] <happyaron> ty, :)


[16:18] <sirriffsalothp> https://soundcloud.com/user-740866226/steading-out-to-sea
[16:18] <sirriffsalothp> Song made with ubuntustudio and kxstudio, cheers for all the work you put into it, hope it does it justice.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> ubuntu MATE does not by default come with lowlatency and certainly just installing lowlatency does not mean that is what will boot by default dunnery.
[16:40] <OvenWerks> opps wrong channel...
[17:30] <studio-user932> Good afternoon
[17:31] <studio-user932> I've just attempted to install ubuntustudio 18.04 and I'm left with a blank screen after rebooting.
[17:35] <studio-user932> I've done most of the standard checking - the DVD download was properly checksummed - the machine previously booted with the DVD - but I wasn't able to log in.
[17:41] <studio-user932> I've booted a usb stick with Xubuntu - and that seems to boot fine.
[17:49] <studio-user932> Since no one is on and the chat is being logged - I'll just leave this here for your information:
[17:52] <studio-user932> Hardware: Dell Vostro 200 with upgraded BIOS, dual core intel processor at 3.0 Ghz, 8 gigs of DDR2 ram, Diamond sound card, Nvidia gt 630 vidia card - unable to boot after installing onto a hard drive - 320 gig WD SATA - Ubuntu Studio 18.04 64 bit
[21:06] <mdc> hey just wondering, is there a way to financially contribute to the development of Ubuntu Studio?
[21:39] <OvenWerks> mdc: I don't think so.
[21:40] <mdc> darn....I'd be willing to chip in some to help with expanding the team and stuff
[21:41] <OvenWerks> the whole team are  volonteers


[01:18] <slickwithers> Hey guys I am on Kubuntu 20.04, and I was wondering if there was any way I could downgrade my deluge version
[01:19] <slickwithers> The new version won't work as a thin client with my seedbox because the seedbox version is 1.13
[01:22] <viewer|1> I had a logitech webcam problem on my Ubuntu KDE to run  SKYPE.  I tried so many ways, but nothing works for me.
[01:23] <viewer|1> Does anyone know the solution to my problem?
[01:26] <tomreyn> you haven't stated the problem, yet
[02:28] <slickwithers> Restating earlier question in case somebody who knows how to do this is here:
[02:28] <slickwithers> I am on kubuntu 20.04 and want to install the deluge version from 18.04
[02:28] <slickwithers> is there any way I can do this
[02:29] <slickwithers> I need 1.3.15 :c
 @slickwithers, Installing the older version may be possible, but obviously not recommended.   You could create a VM of 18.04 and 20.04 and install deluge into 18.04.
 Then grab the deluge.deb and deluge-common.deb from 18.04
 in the /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory.
 use dpkg to install and then lock the version.
 It might be easier just to run deluge from the 18.04 VM.
[02:44] <slickwithers> ty IrcsomeBot
[02:45] <slickwithers> best answer ive gotten yet
[02:45] <slickwithers> or DarinMiller
 I have no idea if the 18.04 deb files will cause havoc with a 20.04 install, that's why I recommend testing the process with a "throw-away" 20.04 install.
 The other option would be a snap or flatpack of the version you want.  But, I kind of doubt one exists.
[02:51] <slickwithers> DarinMiller: I thought of a snap or flatpack but unfortunantly they don't at least not that I can find
[02:51] <slickwithers> I'll try in a VM first and see if it works
[02:58] <viewer|1> I had a logitech webcam problem on my Ubuntu KDE to run  SKYPE.  I tried so many ways, but webcam does not for me.
 install kamoso to test the camera functionality under KDE.
[03:00] <viewer|1> I tried to test the hardware on SKYPE, it did not have any webcam video show up.
 If it works under kamoso, then we know skype is the problem.
[03:01] <viewer|1> The webcam work on almost every application except SKYPE.
 Did you download skype from here: https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/download-skype-for-desktop/
[03:03] <viewer|1> I know that a lot of people have the same problem on SKYPE.  I tried some solutions, but it still does not work.
 If so, did you use tthe snap or deb version?
[03:04] <viewer|1> I wonder that it is SKYPE does not work for the old version of webcam very well.
 do you have the deb or snap version of skype?
[03:05] <viewer|1> I tried snap and deb version, but both of them did not work.
 which model of webcam?  I have the c260... will test with skype shortly
[03:08] <viewer|1> The Logitech webcam only have problem on SKPE app.  It worked fine on Google Hangout, Zoom.
 skype works fine here with an old logitec c260 webcam....
[03:09] <viewer|1> I had Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX
[03:11] <viewer|1> The Product ID is 0x8ad
 Have you tried something as suggested here?: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=85772
[03:12] <viewer|1> I will take a look for I tried so many way which did not work for me.
[03:13] <viewer|1> My Logitech webcam works with Cheese, but not Skype.
 btw, look like libv4l has moved to a new directory long after those posts were created: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
 another site suggested something similar: https://www.darklaunch.com/logitech-quickcam-communicate-stx-skype-ubuntu
[04:52] <Teet> Hey folks, I was trying to install passenger but I get a dependency error:  passenger : Depends: libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2) but it is not installable
[04:53] <Teet> can anyone help me out on this one???
 20.04?
[04:54] <Teet> As far as I know I got the latest release....
 Any ppa's enalbed?
 passenger install  fine here.
[04:57] <Teet> k, found the problem
 what was it?
[04:58] <Teet> I was smart enough to pick an old 19.10 CD
[04:58] <Teet> ROFL
[04:58] <Teet> sowwy folks!
 np :)
[07:44] <Teet> Folks, I still got problems installing passenger. Can someone help me out??
[09:44] <Guest60806> Hi,
[09:46] <Guest60806> I am trying to start konsole with a some predefined tabs. I am using lines from man linke 'title: %n;; command: /usr/bin/top ;; profile: Profile 1' and yet I still get 'Each line should contain at least one of 'command' and 'profile''. Any tips on what's wrog?
[10:32] <Narin> selam
[12:17] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[17:35] <LinuxUser> by by i try it by my self again then i ask you
[18:19] <Guest43863> Hi,
[18:20] <Guest43863> I am using 18.04 on matebook d 14. I want to check the state of fans but I don't see any entry in 'sensors' output.
[18:20] <Guest43863> Any ideas how to get the info.
 lmsensors installed?
 correction: lm-sensors
 you could also try xsensors
[18:22] <Guest43863> lm-sensors is already the newest version
[18:22] <Guest43863> Thanks will take a look at xsensors.
[18:23] <Guest43863> No go. I can see only temps there.
 have you tried running : sudo sensors-detect
[18:25] <tomreyn> run sensors-detect, ideally (but not strictly needed) the latest version from the upstream git.
[18:26] <Guest43863> Thanks. Will try it out. Are there any particular files in /sys for example that should hold the current speed value thou?
[18:28] <tomreyn> if you're running a kernel module exposing them there, there may be. i'm not familiar with the "matebook d 14" hardware
[18:30] <Guest43863> K, thanks for the input.
[19:00] <bigsloth83> hi All
 I have a problem on Kubuntu. When the pc goes into suspend mode, I am unable to wake it up. The usb devices are not working and the power button is not working.  … I also have this problem occasionally when the pc screen goes off after 10 minutes. It happened some minutes ago
 This problem appeared also on windows, after I installed kubuntu 20.04 alongside windows with dual boot
[21:25] <Bikos> hello, anyone can help me with my WIFI wireless perfromance?
 Not sure I can help much, but we can try... what wifi card?
 @Franzpow, Anyone could help me with this issue?
 Hi Franz, what model computer is not waking up?  Since both windows and KDE are affected,  maybe a BIOS update is needed?
 It is a desktop pc.. Strange enough, suspend mode was going fine on windows before doing the kde installation with dual boot
 Do you remember? We installed the system together
 It's an asus motherboard
 yes, I remember. But I am baffled why you system won't wake up.
 I also don't have options on my motherboard to change
 And sometimes it's also freezing randomly (for example if I plug the monitor)
 @Franzpow, But I thimk that this ome is a some problem with the current in my home
 mind sharing your hw info?  (sudo lshw | pastebinit )
 I am in the bad  now :( sorry when I sent the message I was still up now I am not.. But if you want to know I can tell you what motherboard I have
 Ok, we can work on it tomorrow.
 Ok this is the mb: … Asus PRIME A320M-K
 I have a ryzen 3 1200
 @DarinMiller, Thanks!
[23:25] <wingedrhino> As far as the non-KDE related software are concerned, are there any differences between the current versions of KDE Neon and Kubuntu? They both use the Ubuntu 20.04 repos, right?
 Neon is not using 20.04 yet (no ETA, but it is in progress).
[23:28] <wingedrhino> Aah okay
[23:28] <RogueScholar-M> Well, the Neon Dev Edition repos are already based on 20.04, and currently they're running with a hitch for me
 without a hitch?
[23:29] <RogueScholar-M> But to the original point of your question, you're correct, the Ubuntu Main/Universe/Multiverse stuff is all identical
 Kubuntu 20.04 is stuck on qt 5.12, so no backports for plasma beyond 5.18.x.
[23:33] <RogueScholar-M> DarinMiller: Indeed, I'm afraid of jinxing it just by talking about it, it's working so well. I feared trying to run a Kubuntu/Neon hybrid by activating the Dev repos would be an unworkable mess.
 I am not sure if any package conversions are planned to convert Kubuntu to Neon for 20.04.  A PPA was provided for such conversion when 18.04 was released, but it caused confusion as later package released created incompatibilities.
[23:37] <RogueScholar-M> Yeah, I can see how that would be murder to stay on top of.
[23:45] <wingedrhino> The qt problem is intriguing. I suppose the best thing is to wait am extra 4 months for 20.10!


[05:15] <anrah> Hi guys! Couple questions regarding bootstrap phase and deploy. I'm using reactive charms and private OpenStack cloud. The question is that is there a way to modify the cloud-init file which is run at the bootstrap phase?
[05:17] <anrah> Problem is that I'm using reactive charms and I can't bea sure if python3 is installed on the image. The deploys fail at the very beginning obviously as the first commands run on deply phase are python3 related when using reactive charms + charm helpers
[05:17] <anrah> I know that I can make my own images which include necessary packages, but is there a way to "hack" the deploy phase and install those packages before python3 is run?
[05:34] <Shashaa> Hi Everyone, I'm trying to add openstack trove charm atop openstack charm platform
[05:34] <Shashaa> I see that charm is getting stuck at following status: rove/2  maintenance  idle   18       <IP_ADDRESS>           Installation complete - awaiting next status
[05:35] <Shashaa> Does anyone could redirect me where to look into ? just curious what is it waiting for here
[07:57] <viswesn> How to backup the running environment of lxc and then restore them back
[07:57] <viswesn> is it possible? in Juju
[07:58] <viswesn> Any video specific to Juju  endpoint bindings
[07:58] <viswesn> If so please share me the link
[12:23] <jrwren> anrah: there is no way to customize the generated cloud-init data. I've always wanted that feature too. Maybe file a bug as a feature request?
[19:21] <cory_fu_> kwmonroe, petevg, kjackal: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/pull/137 is updated
[19:22] <cory_fu_> There seems to be an odd issue with Juju 2.0 where if you remove the relation between a subordinate and its principal, the subordinate sticks around when it used to go away.  I know kjackal encountered this, but I wonder if anyone else has?
[19:24] <kjackal> cory_fu_: After getting the latest code and rebuilding the subordinate was removed without any issue.
[19:25] <cory_fu_> Strange.  I ran into it on the bigtop charms just now
[19:25] <kjackal> Could be transient then?
[19:26] <cory_fu_> Perhaps
[20:27] <holocron> why is it some times when using LXD, a juju unit will sit in "waiting for machine" state
[20:28] <holocron> the lxc container machine will sit in "pending" state
[20:28] <rick_h_> holocron: can you juju status --format tabular
[20:28] <rick_h_> and see if it has more details?
[20:29] <holocron> rick_h_ not seeing anything new.. when i "lxc exec <container> /bin/bash" and run top or systemctl, it looks like the container didn't start up properly
[20:29] <holocron> restarting it doesn't help, and scaling the unit doesn't help
[20:31] <jrwren> holocron: is the controller the same version as juju client?  mine had problems after upgrading beta -> rc. I had to remove controller and bootstrap new so that they are same version.
[20:32] <holocron> jrwren: checking but i suspect it is, i installed the OS, bootstrapped, and deployed today
[20:33] <holocron> jrwren: also, i have a number of other units that are working fine, so it's kinda random so far
[20:33] <holocron> i'm deploying https://jujucharms.com/u/james-page/openstack-on-lxd
[20:34] <holocron> this is the 2nd time to attempt to deploy, after destroying the controller and tearing everything down. the first time it was openstack-dashboard and rabbit-mqserver that sat in "waiting for machine"
[20:34] <holocron> this time it's neutron-gateway
[20:34] <jrwren> holocron: install the OS & bootstrapped without adding a PPA for latest juju2 beta?
[20:35] <holocron> jrwren: i am running juju 2.0-rc2
[20:35] <jrwren> holocron: oh, ok. in that case, I have no idea :[
[20:38] <holocron> eh well, rather than just restarting the container from inside it with "shutdown -r now", i used lxc stop/start and now it appears to be provisioning the unit
[20:38] <holocron> so..
[20:39]  * holocron shrugs
[21:01] <holocron> and now, it's doing it again...
[21:04] <holocron> you know what the most annoying thing about juju is? i run a command like "juju remove-unit <unit>" and nothing changes
[21:05] <holocron> like, is it going to work? when is it going to work?
[21:05] <holocron> is it just me?
[21:16] <rick_h_> holocron: so https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1626725 is a bug where we're looking into a potential cause around this.
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1626725: 8+ containers makes one get stuck in "pending" on joyent <joyent-provider> <jujuqa> <lxd> <scalability> <juju:Triaged by dooferlad> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1626725>
[21:16] <rick_h_> holocron: I'm not sure if it's the one you're seeing, but something we're chasing down at the moment that looks like that.
[21:16] <rick_h_> holocron: if that doesn't seem plausible please file a bug with as much detail on the setup as possible, logs from juju, lxd, etc.
[21:17] <holocron> rick_h_: okay thanks, i'm attempting a repro now, if i see this again i'll file a bug
[21:17] <rick_h_> holocron: ty very much
[21:27] <valeech> working with juju 2.0 rc 2 and the openstack-base charm, is it best to use bindings to ensure different components operate on the correct networks or some other method?
[21:27] <kwmonroe> holocron: rick_h_:  at the charmer summit, bdx noticed large bundles would result in some machines stuck in 'pending'.  iirc admcleod and beisner were helping troubleshoot that and it looked like bug 1602192.  beisner, do you know how holocron can check to see if "Too many open files" is the issue here?
[21:27] <mup> Bug #1602192: when starting many LXD containers, they start failing to boot with "Too many open files" <lxd> <juju-core:Invalid> <lxd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1602192>
[21:29] <kjackal> petevg: wouldn't you prefer a seperate section to put tutorials?
[21:29] <beisner> kwmonroe, the tell was that i saw 'Too many open files' in various application/service logs.  i don't think i ever saw that in the juju unit logs fwiw.
[21:29] <kjackal> petevg: like the one you wrote for the earthquake data?
[21:30] <petevg> kjackal: No. I think that should appear near the top of the landing page. One problem is that our "getting started" page gets very complex very fast. I wanted a simple project to get people going.
[21:31] <holocron> kwmonroe: rick_h_: the behaviour might've been similar to that as described in that bug, but I'm not able to reproduce. I had forgotten to take some of the steps described in https://jujucharms.com/u/james-page/openstack-on-lxd
[21:32] <beisner> hi holocron, this is the guide i'd recommend for openstack-on-lxd.  anything in personal namespaces might be old/bitrotted.  http://docs.openstack.org/developer/charm-guide/openstack-on-lxd.html
[21:32] <holocron> right now it looks like all the containers are started, all agents are executing properly
[21:32] <holocron> beisner: ah great, thanks for this link!
[21:32] <holocron> i had seen this before and totally forgot about it
[21:33] <holocron> beisner: though it does appear to be the same today
[21:34] <beisner> holocron, yes it's close, but still behind a few click from what we have in the dev charm-guide.
[21:35] <holocron> beisner: this is excellent, thanks again
[21:35] <beisner> holocron, yw
[21:37] <beisner> holocron, even with that, i've run into the too many open files thing and have had to raise max_user_instances on the host in most cases.  maybe not if it's just a deploy & destroy, but when you go to use the deployed cloud, file handles start to go wild.
[21:38] <holocron> beisner: gotcha, i'll watch for that.. though i'm not planning on using the nova hosts as provided
[21:43] <beisner> amulet question:  am i wrong to expect sentry.info to always contain a private-address key?  i'm finding that it doesn't always:  ['machine', 'open-ports', 'public-address', 'service', 'workload-status', 'agent-status', 'unit_name', 'agent-state', 'unit', 'agent-version']
[21:52] <cory_fu_> Some fixes for dhx for 2.0rc2 if someone wants to review: https://github.com/juju/plugins/pull/70
[21:53] <holocron> beisner: tore down that previous deploy, and went with the bundle-s390x.yaml provided on github -- 3 of the 14 machines ended up in "pending" state though i don't see any errors in journal about too many open files
[21:56] <beisner> holocron, so perhaps a useful check would be to bootstrap a fresh controller, add a model, then `juju deploy ubuntu -n 10` and see how that goes.  that would deploy 10 units of the ubuntu charm, which does pretty much nothing.  it's useful to check that the system, configuration and tooling are all in order.
[21:56] <holocron> beisner: trying this now
[21:56] <beisner> holocron, ps, are you on s390x?
[21:56] <holocron> aye
[22:07] <holocron> beisner: all 10 start up, going to try scaling to 20
[22:09] <kjackal> kwmonroe: last week we had this problem with "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" when installing puppet-common. Do you know why? I am getting the same problem with cassandra 2.2
[22:10] <holocron> beisner: scales to 20 without a hitch
[22:12] <kwmonroe> yeah kjackal.. if you're using layer-puppet-agent, something is wrong with the key in that layer (or with the repo hosted by puppetlabs).  i never dug to find a solution though.  we moved all our charms to xenial so we didn't need layer-puppet-agent anymore.
[22:13] <kjackal> hm... I am getting the same error for a ppa repo for cassandra 2.2
[22:13] <kjackal> this used to work two weeks ago
[22:26] <holocron> is there a "juju status" switch that'll just show me the unit table?
[22:26] <x58> awk/grep? :P
[22:26] <holocron> x58 yeah, or i could parse the json output :P
[22:27] <x58> Sounds like you've solvd your problem.
[22:27] <x58> jq that output to your desire.
[22:27] <holocron> x58 I didn't say I couldn't solve the problem, i asked if there was a switch for just that specific data table
[22:28] <holocron> not a fan of reinventing wheels, but i can if i need to
[22:28] <x58> indeed you didn't, I am sorry that I may have implied otherwise.


[00:59] <ahoneybunn> valorie: ping
[01:54] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1184238] package kde-runtime (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: попытка переза... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184238 (by Alexey Zbinyakov)
[02:56] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1184238] package kde-runtime (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: попытка переза... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184238 (by Alexey Zbinyakov)
[04:15] <valorie> I see that ahoneybun is marked away, but pong anyway
[04:17] <ahoneybun> ?
[04:18] <ahoneybun> now do you see me?
[04:19] <valorie> I can see you, but you are marked as away
[04:19] <ahoneybun> weird
[04:19] <valorie> do a /back
[04:19] <ahoneybun> I did /back
[04:20] <ahoneybun> anyway I am here ;)
[04:20] <valorie> silly quassel
[04:20] <valorie> I'm sorta here
[04:20] <valorie> tired, and I might just watch a movie or something
[04:20] <ahoneybun> yea maybe it's that
[04:20] <ahoneybun> I added a bit to the Basic page just now
[04:21] <valorie> cool
[04:21] <valorie> I think what probably happened is that when I clicked the save button after all my edits, they weren't saved
[04:21] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:21] <valorie> sometimes it is SOOOOO slow
[04:22] <ahoneybun> sadly yea
[04:22] <valorie> I really dislike moin
[04:22] <valorie> mediawiki is snappy in comparison
[04:22] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:23] <valorie> anyway, you do well with it
[04:23] <ahoneybun> palasso is working on a bit of the pages
[04:23] <valorie> I'm gonna go watch a movie
[04:23] <valorie> cool!
[04:23] <ahoneybun> I see that he edited like most of them
[04:24] <ahoneybun> palasso: thanks for the work man!
[04:25] <ahoneybun> that trello page is getting there!
[04:25] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[04:26] <valorie> :-)
[04:28] <ahoneybun> I'm going to get LibreOffice done before I get off
[04:32] <ahoneybun> listening to Skrillex in Amarok really gets work done lol
[04:34] <ahoneybun> and  I just found a glitch in Moin lol
[04:41] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ping
[04:49] <ahoneybun> I just saw that I am not using any non-free drivers lol
[05:36] <palasso> ahoneybun, np I do just small fixes whenever I can ;)
[05:43] <ahoneybun> palasso: thanks anyway ;)
[05:46] <ahoneybun> palasso: are you reading the devel list?
[05:48] <palasso> I just subscribed (I used gmane to receive it as RSS on my feedreader) before a couple days and read the last messages from the last months ;)
[05:52] <ahoneybun> cool currently there are 3 of us working on the Docs right now and we would love to add more
[05:52] <ahoneybun> maybe you could join in
[05:54] <palasso> I'll be trying on doing some work whenever I can but right now I don't have much time. I'm having exams at my university...
[05:55] <ahoneybun> oh ok thats fine
[05:55] <ahoneybun> whenever you have spare time
[06:04] <ahoneybun> good night all
[06:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: is http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=akonadi generated by Britney?
[06:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.  You can also get it directly on the command line (with less latency) using grep-excuses.
[06:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: would that also work for Ubuntu?
[06:47] <ScottK> Someone would have to write the code to make it look there.
[06:47] <shadeslayer> mm
[06:47] <ScottK> It's in devscripts.
[06:47] <ScottK> Probably not too hard.
[06:50] <shadeslayer> muwhaha
[06:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/750872/
[06:54] <ScottK> You could put a distro switch on it like rmadison has ....
[07:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[07:01] <shadeslayer> that's the next step ;)
[07:01] <shadeslayer> except I don't really know perl, I'm just interpretting the statements around the place where it parses arguments
[07:12] <ScottK> Look at rmadison, copy/paste, profit.
[07:21] <shadeslayer> I'll have to rewrite option parsing, rmadison uses GetOptions, grep-excuses uses shifting
[08:11] <palasso> ahoneybun, should these 3 articles be deleted since you cloned them on "KubuntuDocs/Basic/" https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/CommandLine https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/ManagingRepositories https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/ManagingSoftware
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:41] <ahoneybun> palasso: cloned? no those are needed we will work it out later, once we have all the content we need.
[15:41] <ahoneybun> oh
[15:41] <ahoneybun> now I see
[15:55] <soee> yuo know what? whot kded4 killed my laptop works a lot better
[15:55] <soee> i think i should kill it everytime i boot my lap
[19:06] <apachelogger> jussi: ACLs need update for new council it seems
[19:58] <lordievader> Good evening.
[20:00] <ahoneybun> hello
[20:00] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[20:01] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine, yourself?
[20:04] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Doing good too :)
[20:05] <ahoneybun> I'm so happy with the Docs right now
[20:09] <lordievader> That is good to hear :)
[20:09] <ahoneybun> yep
[20:10] <ahoneybun> lordievader: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[20:15] <lordievader> I'll take a look in a bit :)
[20:16] <ahoneybun> ok
[20:21] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Do you mind if I give feedback?
[20:23] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I would love it
[20:25] <lordievader> I would add a capital to a few thing. The first two items under 'Basic', and in the welcome page under the Kubuntu Desktop I would change "plus much more!" into "Plus much more!".
[20:28] <ahoneybun> fixed
[20:28] <lordievader> Perhaps it would be nice to add Chrome/Chromium to the browser section too.
[20:28] <lordievader> Nice ;D
[20:29] <ahoneybun> I was thinking of adding Opera as well
[20:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Good idea.
[20:32] <lordievader> Would it be a good idea to move the Mailing List section containing the links to the actual lists to the other Mailing List section? (Hope this makes sense)
[20:33] <lordievader> You can mention #kubuntu-offtopic too in the Kubuntu IRC channels.
[20:34] <lordievader> The docs look really nice, ahoneybun. Good job :D
[20:34] <ahoneybun> lordievader: most of it is directly from the old docs tbh
[20:35] <ahoneybun> lordievader: thats what I was going to do but it does fall under support I think
[20:36] <ahoneybun> lordievader: can you write a bit on the chrome/chromium section?
[20:36] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Not right now, I might have time tommorow though.
[20:37] <ahoneybun> lordievader: whenever you have time, any work is well thanked
[20:37] <lordievader> Ok cool :)
[20:38] <lordievader> I'll ping you when I'm done ;)
[20:42] <ahoneybun> ok cool leave a comment of what you did too, if you want with the /* comment way */
[20:54] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1184415] qtconfig tuning of palette does not work @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184415 (by karl)


[00:04] <Daskreech> yes
[00:05] <Daskreech> similar for DNS resolution
[00:07] <tomreyn> juacom99: you two seemed to make good progress there, with this chroot approach. i'll just drop this here in case it doesn't work out for you to maybe try later: you can boot to recovery, drop to a root shell, mv /home/YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE /home/YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE_old; mkdir /home/YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE; chown YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE:YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE /home/YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE
[00:08] <juacom99> thanks @tomreyn i goit like 800G od data on my home is gonna take a while XD
[00:09] <tomreyn> mv is very fast
[00:09] <juacom99> rigth it only change the pointer right?
[00:09] <tomreyn> yes, you could say so. but let's not get distracted now, keep going ;-)
[00:15] <Daskreech> juacom99: Did you get to chroot ?
[00:15] <juacom99> almost
[00:16] <juacom99> i'm on Xnest -ac :1
[00:18] <juacom99> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[00:18] <juacom99> when i run sudo chroot /var/chroot
[00:19] <Daskreech> it's looking for your mounted root
[00:19] <Daskreech>  so it's sudo chroot /media/mycomp for you
[00:19] <juacom99> done
[00:20] <Daskreech> ok
[00:20] <Daskreech> so ls /
[00:20] <Daskreech> or ls /home should show your kubuntu home director ?
[00:20] <Daskreech>  directory
[00:20] <juacom99> it does
[00:21] <Daskreech> Great :) so now you can act as if you are in your computer without having to reboot
[00:21] <juacom99> ok, so what now?
[00:22] <Daskreech> well what does /cat /etc/issue say ?
[00:22] <juacom99> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS \n \l
[00:22] <juacom99> i could tell you that myself XD
[00:23] <Daskreech> Just checking :)
[00:23] <Daskreech> can you pastebin the .xsession-errors file from your users home directory ?
[00:23] <juacom99> yep
[00:33] <Daskreech> !pastebin
[00:34] <juacom99> i'm having problems copying the  file
[00:37] <Daskreech> !pastebinit
[00:40] <Daskreech> if you install that ^^ @juacom99 you can run cat ~/.xsession-errors | pastebinit
[00:40] <juacom99> alreally on it
[00:40] <Daskreech> it should give you a URL and you can just tell us here what that URL is
[00:41] <juacom99> dam conection fail
[00:41] <juacom99> i don't have dns
[00:42] <juacom99> that's the problem
[00:43] <Daskreech> lol ok
[00:44] <Daskreech> can you see your kubuntu home outside the Chroot?
[00:44] <Daskreech>  Jsut grab it from there
[00:47] <juacom99> i see an empty folder
[00:47] <juacom99> i guess is becaus of the root permisions
[00:49] <Daskreech> ls -l /media/mycomp
[00:49] <Daskreech> ls -l /media/mycomp | grep home
[00:50] <juacom99> ls: no se puede acceder a '/media/mycomp': No existe el archivo o el directorio
[00:50] <juacom99> sorry
[00:50] <juacom99> is a file or diercory not found
[00:50] <juacom99> *directory
[00:51] <juacom99> NVM
[00:51] <juacom99> i got you
[00:52] <Daskreech>  :-)
[00:53] <juacom99> i don't have permission to open it that way :(
[00:53] <juacom99> dam
[00:53] <Daskreech> when you drop into a Chroot you should be a root user so there should be no permissions issues
[00:54] <juacom99> with the chroot one i can't open a dolphine
[00:54] <juacom99> with tho one outside i can open the file
[00:54] <juacom99> XD
[00:54] <Daskreech> Right :)
[00:54] <juacom99> let me try something
[00:54] <Daskreech> ok
[00:55] <juacom99> ok y chmod +r thye file and open in on kate
[01:00] <juacom99> wtf 4660890 lines
[01:04] <juacom99> kate stop responding when i copy XD
[01:04] <Daskreech> X-D
[01:11] <juacom99> ok i did it
[01:11] <juacom99> no i didn't
[01:15] <Daskreech> :-)
[01:27] <juacom99> i can't copy -.-'
[01:31] <Daskreech> O__O
[01:31] <Daskreech> can you copy other files but not that one?
[01:32] <Daskreech> try from inside your chroot /var/log/X.0.log
[01:38] <juacom99> @Daskreechi think is becaus of the size
[01:42] <juacom99> i can tail you the las 500 lines if you want
[01:43] <juacom99> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JVNMKgk6Nc/
[01:43] <juacom99> 1000 lines
[01:44] <Daskreech> That's fine
[01:46] <Daskreech> 0__o
[01:47] <Daskreech> What Processor do you have?
[01:51] <juacom99> intel
[01:51] <juacom99> a cuadcore
[01:54] <juacom99> sorry core i5
[01:57] <Daskreech> you have only one user on the kubuntu system ?
[01:57] <juacom99> yes
[01:59] <Daskreech> can you jump back on your chroot?
[01:59] <juacom99> yes sir
[01:59] <juacom99> i keep it open in case
[02:00] <juacom99> * kept
[02:01] <Daskreech> ok and it's a root level prompt? (With a # at the prompt line?)
[02:02] <juacom99> yes
[02:02] <Daskreech> ok try runing "adduser testuser"
[02:04] <juacom99> a new user??
[02:05] <juacom99> passwd: pasm_start(9 fail, erro 26
[02:06] <juacom99> Try again [y/n]
[02:07] <juacom99> ok it add it anyway
[02:08] <Daskreech> hmm
[02:09] <juacom99> i guess it dosen't have a password
[02:09] <juacom99> is just that
[02:09] <Daskreech> passwd testuser
[02:09] <Daskreech> Set a password for it
[02:11] <juacom99> same error :1
[02:13] <Daskreech> Ok your Chroot is incomplete
[02:14] <Daskreech> can you do a recovery login for the kubuntu ?
[02:14] <juacom99> how do you do that?
[02:15] <Daskreech> You said you logged into recovery mode before
[02:16] <juacom99> yes but i can't get a irc client there
[02:18] <Daskreech> juacom99: when you login run the passwd testuser
[02:18] <Daskreech> set a password for the user
[02:19] <Daskreech> or if that does not work. try su to testuser
[02:19] <Daskreech> "su testuser"
[02:19] <Daskreech>  then run just passwd
[02:19] <Daskreech> I want to see if you can login to a new user
[02:20] <juacom99> ok
[02:20] <Daskreech> I think your users home directory might be broken
[02:20] <juacom99> brb
[02:30] <juacom99> Daskreech: i-m back and with bad news
[02:32] <juacom99> i couldn't change the password, i delet de user create it again and try to change the pass with the same result
[02:33] <Daskreech> That seems bad
[02:33] <juacom99> i got an error thou
[02:33] <Daskreech> ok did you note it?
[02:34] <juacom99> when i try to su to testuser
[02:35] <juacom99> i got a error that /etc/sudoers dosne't exist
[02:37] <Daskreech> Does it exist?
[02:37] <Daskreech> within your kubuntu install?
[02:38] <juacom99> nop i just got /etc/sudoers.d
[02:38] <Daskreech> That should be a directory
[02:38] <juacom99> it is
[02:45] <juacom99> any other idea?
[02:45] <Daskreech> Looking
[02:49] <Daskreech> You couldn't login to your own user correct?
[02:50] <juacom99> yes
[02:50] <Daskreech> Or did you try su youruser ?
[02:51] <juacom99> bouth and no luck
[02:54] <Daskreech> Do you have an install method for kubuntu ?
[02:55] <juacom99> i got a live pendrive
[03:24] <Daskreech> but your home directory is on the same partition as your root drive
[03:25] <juacom99> yes
[03:27] <Daskreech> and there is a lot of stuff on it?
[03:27] <juacom99> indeed
[03:28] <Daskreech> sooooo
[03:28] <Daskreech> :)
[03:28] <juacom99> so?
[03:28] <Daskreech> Do you have enough space on the drive to make a partition of equal size to your home directory?
[03:29] <juacom99> let me check
[09:56] <shubbar> just installed kubuntu lts, but didn't find the right keyboard of my laptop
[09:58] <shubbar> i don't know what type of keyboard it is. The < > are one key on the top left
[10:28] <tomreyn> shubbar: could be french, azerty. but i think there's actually a tool in the installer that lets you enter some characters to detect your keyboard layout, isnt there (maybe not in kubuntu's installer, i'm more used to ubuntu's).
[12:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:14] <maison> Bonjour à tous,
[12:15] <maison> j'ai installé Kubuntu dernierement par l'iso fournie en ligne
[12:15] <maison> depuis j'ai des pertes de connexions LAN, décrochage non compréhensibles pour moi
[12:16] <maison> Quasi sur que mon controller Intel met le bazar
[12:17] <maison> oups....!!! pas intel
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !fr | maison
[12:18] <maison> désolé....enfin I'm sorry
[12:18] <maison> I'm leaving
[12:21] <maison> -PCI Devices-
[12:21] <maison> Host bridge		: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI (rev 09)
[12:21] <maison> VGA compatible controller		: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[12:21] <maison> Audio device		: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller (rev 09)
[12:21] <maison> USB controller		: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP USB xHCI Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
[12:21] <maison> Communication controller		: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP MEI Controller #1 (rev 03)
[12:24] <Maik> !paste | maison
[14:30] <seven6ixes> My kubuntu virtual machine won't let me set my resolution above 800x600
[14:30] <seven6ixes> anyone have any suggestions?
[14:35] <RikMills> seven6ixes: that sounds like this unfixed KDE bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407058
[14:36] <RikMills> there are some workarounds it that report, depending on what type of VM you have
 kubuntu works nice in virtual box but I couldn't find any solution for virt-manager and VMware.
[15:46] <steveire> I can ssh to a server with `ssh -p 23022<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and my collleague can ssh to the same server in the same way. Can I use his connection to ssh to his laptop via the server? I thought that's what reverse tunnelling is for, but I can't make it work. When I use the `ssh -R 23022:localhost:22<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on my laptop it just hangs. Am I doing something wrong?
[15:59] <ruimonteiro> broken updates resolved with sudo apt-get update -y
[16:00] <ruimonteiro> sudo apt-get update only isn't enouth
[16:00] <ruimonteiro> ufff
[16:01] <tomreyn> are you mixing up "update" and "upgrade"?
[16:18] <IrcsomeBot1> vijendra121 was added by: vijendra121
[17:34] <Pedro87> hi all, i tried to solve an audio issue since two days now, googled for several solutions but nothing works. My audio device doesn't work.
[17:38] <Pedro87> Could someone please help me? I have an iMac with the following audio device: Intel Cannon Lake PCH cAVS
[17:40] <Maik> don't forget to mention which version of Kubuntu you use.
[17:42] <Pedro87> i tried the beta now 21,04. but also opensuse thumbleweed and ubuntu 20,10. In Kde i see the speaker and during a video the volume moves arround but no audio at all. in all distros.
[17:48] <IrcsomeBot1> fhsPCwLVOg664 was added by: fhsPCwLVOg664
[17:50] <Maik> Pedro87: 21.04 is still in development and not supported yet
[17:51] <Pedro87> Maik it looks like another kernel version or Distribution or Version doesn't solve the problem, maybe there is a bug oder unsupported or a wrong config in all the system for my device?
[17:51] <Maik> maybe the soundcard isn't supported yet? i don't know
[17:51] <Maik> how old is the imac?
[17:51] <Pedro87> 2019
[17:51] <Maik> hmmm
[17:51] <Pedro87> you could see the device on linux-hardware.org
[17:52] <Maik> i have to leave it to someone with more experience than me
[17:57] <Pedro87> idk, on hardware-linux.org there are some probes from users that tried same distro and they marked the device as detected, i have hope that it will work with the right configuration.
[18:20] <Pedro87> i would also pay money if the help leads to the solution of my problem...
[18:28] <juacom99> hey @Daskreech
[19:02] <IrcsomeBot1> SiddharthGajam was added by: SiddharthGajam
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 32 bit kubuntu os???
[19:15] <Maik> @SiddharthGajam from 20.04 LTS onward it's 64 Bit only
[19:15] <Maik> if you need a 32 bit OS you'll need to switch to Debian
[19:16] <Maik> or get a 64 bit computer