[03:08] <Lamington> bluesceada: I was already happy with the speed of the previous driver from nvidia, but with a new install I got a newer driver and it was a case of, "ooooh nice !"
[03:08] <h3sp4wn> beavis: I know something is wrong with it performance wise - Haven't figured out what yet
[03:09] <mrbojanglie> whenever i use linux on this machine (hp laptop) i always notice some kind of latency/response with the GUI
[03:09] <larson9999> well linux is basically linux so if it runs fast in suse, you should be able to get it to run fast in ubuntu.  there are exceptions i suppose.
[03:09] <mrbojanglie> it appears quite slugish
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> beavis: On a powerful chip though I would be less bothered but my laptop runs kanotix (debian sid) for precisely that reason
[03:09] <mrbojanglie> is it a driver problem
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> mrbojanglie: I switched to kanotix for my laptop for exactly that reason
[03:10] <bluesceada> mrbojanglie: probably yes
[03:10] <bluesceada> hm
[03:10] <bluesceada> my laptop sucks too
[03:10] <bluesceada> trident driver is buggy in kubuntu
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> It only has 256mb
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> and 1.2ghz I think
[03:10] <bluesceada> not just trident driver.. some combination between trident driver and some other factors in kubuntu i cant find out
[03:11] <bluesceada> as knoppix works ... even if it has nearly the same version of the driver
[03:11] <mrbojanglie> the M$ Windows GUI is incredibly fast and responsive on my laptop, but KDE/Gnome aren't :-(
[03:11] <bluesceada> i even tried just the knoppix driver *.deb and it didnt fix it
[03:11] <bluesceada> mrbojanglie: kde should be
[03:11] <bluesceada> if you have enough ram
[03:11] <bluesceada> and if it's an older laptop try xubuntu
[03:11] <serenity> mrbojanglie: type glxgears in console
[03:11] <mrbojanglie> well its not slow, it just doesn't fell right
[03:12] <mrbojanglie> *feel
[03:12] <bluesceada> mrbojanglie: yeh i know, it's the responsiveness
[03:12] <bluesceada> but maybe it means the following:
[03:12] <mrbojanglie> xlib: connection refused, couldn't open display etc
[03:13] <bluesceada> in kubuntu speed stepping / frequency scaling of the cpu works
[03:13] <gioacchino> hello
[03:13] <bluesceada> and in the other distris doesnt ^^
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> It works on kanotix
[03:13] <gioacchino> hoe to block a program with kubuntu firewall ?
[03:13] <bluesceada> or it works more correctly in the others
[03:13] <gioacchino> hello h3sp4wn I had reslv the problem with audio card
[03:13] <mrbojanglie> yea
[03:14] <bluesceada> isn't kanotix a live cd distro ?
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> It can be installed - and you get a pretty well configured version of debian sid (which is more stable than people make out - at the moment at least)
[03:14] <mrbojanglie> i have an ATI Radeon graphics card
[03:15] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ah i might try it out then, thx
[03:15] <mrbojanglie> are drivers available via apt?
[03:15] <gioacchino> !firewall
[03:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[03:15] <bluesceada> first i try edgy
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Make sure you get the easter developer preview otherwise when you dist-upgrade you will have alot of issues (xorg 6.9 to 7.0 translation)
[03:16] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ? of kanotix?
[03:16] <ToyMan> hi all
[03:17] <ToyMan> is there a cmnd line switch to start the kubuntu install without first booting to the kde desktop?
[03:19] <kakalto>  "cannot talk to klauncher" isn't fixed?
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Yes - the live cd also loads itself into a swap partition if you have one so its fast
[03:20] <bluesceada> ToyMan: maybe it's failsafe from the grub menu (press esc before booting), but i don't know
[03:20] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ah..
[03:20] <bluesceada> but i want some installed os
[03:20] <gioacchino> how to block a cracked program with http autentication ?
[03:20] <bluesceada> with being able to use all the packages stuff etc
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: You can just install it
[03:21] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ok and most *.debs work?
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: You use the sid repositories
[03:22] <gioacchino> how to block a cracked program with http autentication ?
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: I Have not had any major problems in the few months I have been using it - but I wait a few days before updating anything like X
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/KANOTIX-2006-Easter-RC4.iso - incidently edgy (which my desktop is running) has been more broken recently but seems to be quite fast
[03:25] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: okay, thanks
[03:25] <bluesceada> my desktop is running gentoo
[03:26] <bluesceada> it's probably the hardware from the laptop etc.
[03:26] <bluesceada> i should sell it ..
[03:26] <bluesceada> i just bought it from ebay though :S
[03:27] <bluesceada> O.o edgy removes adept
[03:28] <bluesceada> why that?
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> I don't use adept
[03:28] <bluesceada> hm ok
[03:28] <Lamington> I like Adept
[03:29] <arso> hey guys
[03:29] <arso> i got a movie
[03:29] <arso> compressed
[03:29] <arso> into multiple rar files
[03:29] <Lamington> gnite all
[03:29] <arso> how do i extract those
[03:30] <arso> anybody?
[03:32] <bluesceada> arso: unrar the main file
[03:32] <bluesceada> maybe you need to install some rar package
[03:32] <bluesceada> search for "rar" in adept
[03:32] <bluesceada> enter it in the top line and wait..
[03:33] <arso> k thnx
[03:33] <arso> wat does ur nick mean?
[03:36] <mrbojanglie> hey, i'm trying to install ATI's video driver but the installation is failing with this error:
[03:36] <mrbojanglie> No kernel module build environment
[03:39] <arso> i cant find any useful rar 'ing program :(
[03:39] <arso> no one knows
[03:39] <DN_W> to unrar or rar
[03:40] <arso> unrar
[03:40] <arso> those file rared into 40+ small rars that unrar into 1 file
[03:40] <arso> this sounds funny
[03:41] <DN_W> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <arso> nano?
[03:41] <arso> can i kate?
[03:41] <DN_W> dont know try it
[03:41] <LjL> yes
[03:42] <LjL> if you can't find rar in the repositories, you need to add universe and/or multiverse to the sources.list, which you can edit with whatever editor you like
[03:42] <DN_W> uncomment all of the repositories
[03:42] <LjL> !repositories
[03:42] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:42] <arso> ok i am in
[03:42] <LjL> !easysource
[03:42] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:42] <arso> DN_W:  i am in, now wat
[03:43] <DN_W> !repositories
[03:43] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:43] <DN_W> read those
[03:43] <arso> okay
[03:44] <arso> so wat do i need to instal
[03:45] <Snake> offtopic --> Does anyone in here use photoshop that could help me with something? Heh..
[03:46] <arso> i used photoshop, on windows tho
[03:47] <Snake> thats fine
[03:47] <gioacchino> how to block a program but no the other program using the equal port ?
[03:51] <Cntryboy> Where can I find an easy to understand howto on creating a firewall?? I guess it would also be ip tables, but not sure.
[03:52] <Cntryboy> or can I download something sorta like zonealarm, but for linux
[03:52] <abattoir> !firewall
[03:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[03:53] <ninniuz> hi
[03:53] <ninniuz> what happened to cups?!
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> !l7-filters
[03:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about l7-filters
[03:53] <Cntryboy> abattoir: that doesn't really tell me much lol
[03:53] <mrbojanglie> hey could someone lend me a hand please :-) i've installed linux-source-2.6.16 and linux-kernel-headers
[03:53] <mrbojanglie> and i still get the error: No kernel module build environment
[03:53] <Snake> !rar > arso
[03:53] <mrbojanglie> when using ATI's driver installer
[03:53] <abattoir> Cntryboy: try installing firestarter ;)
[03:54] <ninniuz> adept told me there were updates and after the update cups doesnt work anymore
[03:54] <abattoir> !firestarter
[03:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[03:54] <ninniuz> dpkg said there was an error with those packages
[03:55] <luca__> salve
[03:55] <LjL> !it
[03:55] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:56] <Cntryboy26> dang started lagging
[03:56] <luca__> qualcuno parla italiano
[03:56] <LjL> luca__: surely someone does in #ubuntu-it :-) see what Ubotu said above ^
[03:57] <Cntryboy26> abattoir: where is a howto for firestarter
[03:57] <abattoir> Cntryboy26: i'm searching :)
[03:57] <abattoir> i thought ubotu will come up w/ a link... :(
[03:57] <LjL> firewall
[03:57] <LjL> !firewall
[03:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[03:57] <LjL> no, no howto here
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> Cntryboy26: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html - its not that difficult to just setup a firewall using iptables
[03:58] <LjL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[03:58] <abattoir> Cntryboy26: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Firewall_.28Firestarter.29
[03:59] <Cntryboy26> thx
[03:59] <abattoir> Cntryboy26: the one i gave is not helpful :-\
[03:59] <Cntryboy26> abattoir: why not?
[03:59] <__osh___> Why do I have to give a password when installing bugfixes? On a desktop-os, shouldn't that be more automatic? IMHO MS-Windows does this right, why not copy the good things?
[04:00] <abattoir> Cntryboy26: it tells you how to install, 'sudo apt-get install firestarter' that;s all :(
[04:00] <Cntryboy26> oh
[04:00] <LjL> __osh___: the policy is that everything that involves touching the entire system (as opposed to just the "safe haven" of your home directory), root privileges are required. and those require a password
[04:01] <LjL> it's a good policy, that's been applied on Unix systems since a 30 years
[04:02] <xplosif> slt slt
[04:02] <samuli> __osh__, Imagine if a virus or spyware of something was forcibly trying to infect your system. Now it can't because it doesn't know the password.
[04:02] <LjL> samuli: well, that's why APT repositories are now PGP protected. but still, the concept you're pushing across is right.
[04:03] <__osh___> LjL: Yes, but it's my own login password that I use to touch the whole system. Again, IMHO, it doesn't add security, it just teaches me to be sloppy with my password. "Oh, something, whatever it is needs my (root enabled) password. Let's just type it in as I always do." sort of thing.
[04:05] <arso> anyone got this virus? dont click!!!!:  "hey can i put this pic of us on myspace? http://pic11.photodump.info"
[04:05] <arso> my friends pc got owned with it
[04:05] <__osh___> I know the idea and I've been working with unix/linux for the last 10-years or so. I'm just questioning some of the fundamentals. Some things Unix/Linux does very good, others not so. Let's improve the things that aren't so good.
[04:05] <LjL> __osh___: well, i'll grant that perhaps security updates could be installed without user intervention. it'd have to be thought quite accurately though before it is implemented.
[04:06] <LjL> __osh___: hm well, i just think there are other priorities personally. i don't see having a password asked on system update a serious flaw compared to many other things, though that's certainly subjective
[04:06] <LjL> s/quite accurately though/quite accurately thought out/
[04:07] <__osh___> LjL: I think there's something called tags in the newer apt. Perhaps someone is already thinking in these lines?
[04:07] <LjL> __osh___: tags are more for allowing better searching inside that APT database, for what i know
[04:08] <LjL> arso: not a good idea to post that site, even though you indicated to avoid clicking it.
[04:08] <grizzly> How to autoUNMOUNT "so that umount /dev/hdc isn't required before pressing the eject button
[04:09] <__osh___> LjL: Agreed, there are quite a few things that needs to be improved. Like I keep hearing about the "Enterprise" linux all the time. I don't however see any "Enterprise" tools coming out. Like a tool that will allow me to automate some tasks on 30 of my 100 machines, Yes, I know how to write scripts but that's not the point. I shouldn't have to. Not if it's an "enterprise"-product.
[04:09] <arso> LjL:  hmm, k
[04:10] <grizzly> Is it possible btw?
[04:11] <__osh___> grizzly: put a timeout on the automounter so that it unmounts it automatically after a period of time?
[04:11] <__osh___> grizzly: then it will probably already be unmounted when you push eject.
[04:11] <__osh___> grizzly: with a short enough timeout naturally.
[04:12] <grizzly> __osh___: but then that would require manual mounting again. right?
[04:12] <__osh___> grizzly: not if you mount it with (automount/supermount whatever it's called now) from fstab.
[04:13] <grick> hi people, i have problem signing mail with S/MIME in kmail. Do someone here use kmail with a CA certificate and can give me an hint? (i have error logs here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QNGMuU13.html) ps: i already have followed this howto: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
[04:13] <grizzly> __osh___: k, will try. Any man pages for more info on this?
[04:14] <__osh___> grizzly: try automount, autofs, fstab, supermount. I'm sure google can help too.
[04:14] <grizzly> __osh___: actually google didn't :(
[04:15] <__osh___> grizzly: did for me. ;-) http://freespace.sourceforge.net/guidod/howto/autofs.html
[04:16] <__osh___> Time to go. baby crying.
[04:16] <grizzly> hehe
[04:16] <pyrooo> hello everyone
[04:16] <pyrooo> can anyone plz help me?
[04:17] <Cntryboy26> is firestarter easy to config? and can I set all ports to stealth?
[04:17] <z00m> 00AB
[04:18] <z00m> %00AB
[04:18] <z00m>
[04:20] <gnomefreak> pyrooo: that depends. are you gonna tell us whats wrong?
[04:20] <Cntryboy26> when I installed firestarter it put icon in settings and in system. Now were there not other stuff in the settings, because it shows firestarter by itself now with nothign else there
[04:32] <serenity> how to register an irc channel here on freenode?
[04:33] <bluesceada> serenity: join it, /msg chanserv help
[04:34] <Cedrics> should i used alternate to setup raid or ill still be able with the desktop cd
[04:35] <serenity> bluesceada: but when i leave, the channel is gone...
[04:35] <bluesceada> serenity: /msg chanserv help tells you all you need to know to register a channel ;-)
[04:44] <bluesceada> hmm
[04:44] <bluesceada> anyone can help, i have now upgraded to edy
[04:44] <bluesceada> edgy..
[04:44] <bluesceada> but how to use the new kernel from it then?
[04:45] <crimsun> you boot into it?
[04:45] <bluesceada> yeah
[04:45] <crimsun> well, does it boot? :-)
[04:45] <bluesceada> i just did change repositories, apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:45] <bluesceada> crimsun: yeah it is still 2.6.15 though
[04:46] <crimsun> no it's not
[04:46] <crimsun> it's 2.6.17-4-foo
[04:46] <bluesceada> but there is a 2.6.17 image now on /boot
[04:46] <bluesceada> crimsun: no it isnt
[04:46] <crimsun> you mean on /your/ computer it isn't.
[04:46] <bluesceada> grubs menu.lst also still just has 2.6.15
[04:46] <bluesceada> crimsun: yeh, the grub menu doesnt has it
[04:46] <bluesceada> so how can i have it in the menu.lst other than adding manually
[04:46] <crimsun> that's because you picked a bad time to update, since we're juggling grub changes.
[04:47] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: i would wait a week or so 2.6.17-4 is going to be getting important updates so you can boot it ;)
[04:47] <bluesceada> hm
[04:47] <bluesceada> crimsun: :S
[04:48] <bluesceada> can i use it anyway?
[04:48] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: get it from synaptic but it might not boot
[04:48] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: synaptic?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: sorry adept
[04:49] <bluesceada> hm adept isnt there anymore^^
[04:49] <gnomefreak> forgot what channel i was in
[04:49] <bluesceada> i just can use apt-get
[04:49] <bluesceada> adept was removed by updating to edgy
[04:49] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: yeah if you like
[04:49] <crimsun> bluesceada: yes, just edit menu.lst manually
[04:49] <bluesceada> okay
[04:49] <bluesceada> if i like? what .. adept was just removed :S
[04:50] <bluesceada> crimsun: okay, i try
[04:50] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: crimson was 100% correct when he said it is a bad time
[04:50] <bluesceada> as the 2.6.15 has the speedstepping bug for coppermine
[04:50] <bluesceada> and i dont get it fixed for my cpu with that options shown in the wiki
[04:50] <pyrooo> people i have a question,
[04:50] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: yeh
[04:50] <pyrooo> i don't know what to pick - kubuntu,ubuntu or gentoo
[04:50] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: dont upgrade to edgy to fix something
[04:50] <pyrooo> anyone can help me deside please?
[04:50] <gnomefreak> pyrooo: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[04:51] <pyrooo> ok genomefreak
[04:51] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: your gonna see alot of things break this week
[04:51] <pyrooo> you freak :P
[04:51] <bluesceada> pyrooo: gentoo runs well here, though sometimes you need to do quite much manually
[04:51] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: used to it, using gentoo since 3 years or so :D
[04:51] <bluesceada> and nothing did break really :D
[04:52] <bluesceada> used all the 2.6-test kernels ...
[04:52] <gnomefreak> its not the kernel im talking about its edgy that is gonna break
[04:52] <gnomefreak> and still is broken
[04:53] <crimsun> it's pretty broken right now w/ grub, and it's gonna break even harder =]
[04:53] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: hm how do i make the initial ramdisk for the 2.6.17 then?
[04:54] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: ah okay... dapper is broken enough for me (on that laptop...)
[04:54] <crimsun> bluesceada: it was already created
[04:54] <bluesceada> nah it's not there
[04:54] <gnomefreak> dapper is no where near as broken as edgy
[04:54] <crimsun> bluesceada: it wasn't created by -4's postinst?
[04:54] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: that fix was uploaded already iirc
[04:54] <bluesceada> crimsun: probably not
[04:54] <bluesceada> it's not in /boot
[04:55] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: fix for what
[04:55] <crimsun> bluesceada: then you're not up-to-date
[04:55] <bluesceada> config and the vmlinuz image of the kernel are there
[04:55] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade please
[04:55] <bluesceada> though just ramdisks for the two older ones
[04:55] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: okay
[04:56] <bluesceada> gnomefreak: doesnt update anything ...
[04:57] <ceplma> Hi, could anybody point me to some HOWTO for upgrading from Debian/testing to Kubuntu?
[04:57] <bluesceada> so ...
[04:57] <bluesceada> :S
[04:57] <bluesceada> what to do
[04:57] <gnomefreak> ceplma: you really dont want to do that  that can cause issues
[04:57] <gnomefreak> bluesceada: file a bug but first check to see if ther eis one
[04:58] <gnomefreak> ceplma: upgrading from debian to ubuntu is not a safe way to do it
[04:58] <ceplma> gnomefreak: well, that's the reason why I ask here -- how to avoid these issues?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> ceplma: download and burn dapper iso and install it
[04:59] <crimsun> ceplma: you /really/ don't want to, since our udevs aren't compatible and don't cross-grade properly or easily.
[05:00] <gioacchino> how to confiure iptable ?
[05:00] <crimsun> i.e., it's doable, but you have to know the ins and outs of each udev
[05:00] <gnomefreak> gioacchino: firestarter
[05:00] <ceplma> crimsun: udev ? -- you mean package udev managing hardware?
[05:01] <ceplma> I thought about some kind of upgrade to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyUpgradeNotes
[05:01] <ceplma> gioacchino: guarddog?
[05:03] <crimsun> ceplma: yes, that udev.
[05:04] <crimsun> ceplma: not managing so much as enumerating.
[05:04] <gioacchino>  gioacchino: guarddog? no
[05:04] <gioacchino> I set it from root shell
[05:04] <gioacchino> [17:00]  <gnomefreak> gioacchino: firestarter  how to run it ?
[05:05] <gnomefreak> gioacchino: install it first
[05:05] <ceplma> crimsun: whatever ... just that we talk about the same thing.
[05:05] <grizzly> Is anyone successfully having cds automounted (on insertion) ?
[05:06] <gioacchino> how to configure iptable from root shell ?
[05:06] <grizzly> configuring automount is maddeningly difficult ;(
[05:07] <exceswater> who can help me
[05:07] <exceswater>  ?
[05:07] <exceswater> i have a problem when i play flash games
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> I don't.
[05:08] <Ag_Smith> !iptable
[05:08] <ubotu> I know nothing about iptable
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> !iptables
[05:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[05:11] <xavi> hla
[05:11] <Ag_Smith> I want block specific sites using IPTABLE on Linux
[05:11] <Ag_Smith> site
[05:15] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, websites can be blocked with privoxy, iptables can only be used to block specific ip (ranges), ports, applications at most.
[05:15] <Ash-Fox> err put users instead of applications there
[05:15] <Ag_Smith> how to block a specifi application ?
[05:16] <Ag_Smith> Ash-Fox: how to block a specific application used with wine ?
[05:20] <l_r> hello
[05:20] <dr_willis> Howdies
[05:20] <l_r> There's an annoying problem with DNS in Kubuntu dapper. The card connects to a gateway and receive the IP from a DHCP server. I configured my dhclient.conf not to ask for DNS to the DHCP server. I manually configured my resolv.conf to use localhost as DNS. The problem is that somewhere resolv.conf keeps being replaced with the address of the gateway. Any idea?
[05:20] <h3sp4wn> l_r: /etc/dhclient.conf
[05:21] <Ag_Smith> Ash-Fox: how to block a specific application used with wine ?
[05:21] <l_r> h3sp4wn, hmm.. yes? please explain
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:21] <l_r> ok..let me see
[05:21] <dr_willis> Yea - the little service that ubuntu/kububntu uses - can get a little confuseing at times. :()
[05:22] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, you will need to block all connections from a given username, then run wine under that username
[05:22] <dr_willis> ya dident notice at the top pf resolv.conf it says "dont edit this file" :)
[05:22] <l_r> h3sp4wn, lol, i didn't see that line was commented. thanks for the hint :)
[05:23] <dr_willis> at least there used to be a comment there.. im not seeing it now on my laptop's file.
[05:24] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, xmlspy?
[05:24] <grizzly> Anyway to make this work > sudo mount -a && cd /media/cdrom - with quotes or something
[05:25] <grizzly> NOt functions btw since I am planning to use this as an alias
[05:46] <thomas_> Hallo an alle
[05:54] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[05:54] <mossman> hello
[05:55] <NetSKaVeN> hey, I have a stranger problem and I need a little of help to resolve it
[05:55] <mossman> shoot
[05:56] <NetSKaVeN> I'm using dapper updated to KDE 3.5.3
[05:56] <NetSKaVeN> all is working ok except konqueror
[05:56] <NetSKaVeN> I can't see some webs
[05:56] <mossman> Konqueror is not working?  Which websites can't you see?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Example?
[05:56] <NetSKaVeN> www.linux.com or digg
[05:57] <NetSKaVeN> I saw them ok before the update
[05:57] <NetSKaVeN> and all work well if I use Mepis with 3.5.3
[05:57] <mossman> Ummm.  Can you see anything, or are the font's just odd?
[05:58] <NetSKaVeN> I can see only the head of digg for example
[05:58] <NetSKaVeN> I tried to delete the konqueror config (.kde/share/apps/konqueror) but it doesn't solve anything
[05:59] <mossman> any other examples?
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> NetSKaVeN: did you delete the konquerorrc ?
[06:00] <NetSKaVeN> linux.com: I see only the grey background and the OSTG menu
[06:00] <NetSKaVeN> h3sp4wn: where is it?
[06:01] <mossman> does this file exist?
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> .kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[06:01] <NetSKaVeN> deleting it...
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> I don't think that will fix it though
[06:02] <chavo> NetSKaVeN, try turning off the adblock
[06:02] <NetSKaVeN> h3sp4wn: the same effect
[06:02] <chavo> it has issues with some sites
[06:03] <NetSKaVeN> wow!!!
[06:03] <NetSKaVeN> solved
[06:03] <NetSKaVeN> it's adblock stuff
[06:04] <NetSKaVeN> thanks a lot  :)
[06:04] <chavo> np :)
[06:11] <satempler> NetSKaVeN: ya the ad bock thing has a bug in it
[06:12] <Shizboom> what does this dock application bar do
[06:13] <dr_willis> dock apps go in it.
[06:13] <dr_willis> like 'wmclock' or 'wmxmms' or dozens of other mini-apps
[06:13] <dr_willis> dock apps used to be the big thing. :P
[06:14] <Shizboom> hmmm k
[06:14] <dr_willis> dock/warf/panel
[06:14] <dr_willis> check out windowmaker  and all its warf/dock apps. Fluxbox has a simile rfeature as well.
[06:15] <ubuntu> Hello. Is there a hard drive installation iso image "Kubuntu"?
[06:15] <dr_willis> yes. the live cd can install to the hard drive.
[06:16] <dr_willis> the alternative install cd (i think) uses the text based installer.
[06:16] <satempler> ubuntu: ya just double click on the Install Icon on the desktop
[06:16] <linuxmonkey> thats correct dr_willis
[06:16] <dr_willis> I personally use the Ubuntu CD. and install ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop
[06:16] <dr_willis> since i use both gnome and kde. :P
[06:16] <dr_willis> *blasphmy* eh?
[06:16] <satempler> ya it is dr_willis
[06:16] <satempler> ;)
[06:17] <dr_willis> then again - i tend to USE kde, or windowmaker mainly
[06:17] <dr_willis> :) its just that some times its easier to let the wife use gnome.
[06:17] <linuxmonkey> dr_willis: i take the easy way out...kubuntu and then ubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu in vmware :)
[06:17] <ubuntu> Well. I can't find any installation button. Perhaps this is an olden kubuntu live CD
[06:17] <dr_willis> ubuntu that would be my guess.
[06:17] <linuxmonkey> more than likely
[06:18] <satempler> prehaps
[06:18] <dr_willis> dapper was the first that had the install from live cd feature
[06:18] <dr_willis> and that was only in the latest releases I think.
[06:18] <linuxmonkey> 6.06 :)
[06:19] <ubuntu> can anyone write down the adress where Kubuntu installation can be found (sorry bad english)
[06:19] <linuxmonkey> kubuntu.com
[06:19] <fre1> about virtual stuff, is there a way to run macosx, on a kubuntu i386 ?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> fre1: Not legally
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Legally?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> dang it!
[06:20] <DaSkreech> hi raphink
[06:20] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:20] <imachine> how can you run macosx on a linux environment?
[06:20] <fre1> h3sp4wn: what do you mean ? like it is possible but only with the macosx on any pc crack ?
[06:20] <imachine> like, in vmare you can
[06:20] <imachine> :)
[06:20] <imachine> what kind of a question is taht
[06:20] <imachine> :p
[06:21] <linuxmonkey> hrrrm let me begin. we will not discuss illegal items in this channel
[06:21] <fre1> well i dont want to do anything illegal
[06:21] <DaSkreech> that's for #kubuntu-shhhh
[06:21] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> fre1: I think I could do it but I haven't tried (nor do I want to) I prefer e-17 to mac os x
[06:21] <imachine> but hmm.
[06:21] <fre1> i want to port a software on maxosx, and dont want to buy a mac just for that
[06:22] <fre1> so is there a way ?
[06:22] <imachine> you can run macosx if you are able to pretend you have a mac machine; so find a virtual machine, a mac box emulator, obtain a legal copy of macosx, install that virtyual machine in kubuntu, and you got a macosx in kubuntu, like you asked for
[06:22] <linuxmonkey> fre1: you will have to unless you want apple going after you
[06:22] <h3sp4wn> gcc can be a cross compiler
[06:22] <linuxmonkey> imachine: thats still illegal
[06:22] <imachine> linuxmonkey, no its not.
[06:22] <imachine> maybe it is.
[06:22] <imachine> i dont know, but from a technical point of view, you own the software.
[06:23] <imachine> so you can either make a coaster of the cd/dvd or install it somewhere.
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> Mac OS X x86 cannot be bought without a mac
[06:23] <fre1> imachine: ok is qemu able to do that ?
[06:23] <raphink> hi DaSkreech
[06:23] <imachine> thats my understanding of things, ofcourse i dont know the mac licensing.
[06:23] <linuxmonkey> yes, imachine as your not running it on apple approved hardware...I read the user agreement on osx and it clearly states it.
[06:23] <Shizboom> #python
[06:24] <dr_willis> Apple Sez :  "We are the Boss of You!"
[06:24] <imachine> linuxmonkey, ok then.
[06:24] <imachine> apple is nevertheless, cool.
[06:24] <dr_willis> I disagree with apples coolness
[06:24] <imachine> maybe not with their macbook crap.
[06:24] <imachine> x86 bah.
[06:24] <dr_willis> :)
[06:24] <imachine> but the rest is great.
[06:25] <imachine> i like a box thats properly setup.
[06:25] <dr_willis> I disagree. :) so phhhht. :P
[06:25] <imachine> and runs a commercial unix!
[06:25] <fre1> nixternal: well mac on linux is give me all this 'mol' stuff about running linux and maxosx but only on ppc
[06:25] <imachine> :)
[06:25] <dr_willis> You dont want to know the fighting ive done with apple  and their hw/os befor.
[06:25] <imachine> if im going to pay for something, i'd rather have it a *nix touch :)
[06:25] <nixternal> fre1, you trying to do it on x86?  go buy the new tiger...it will run lovely on your home made machine
[06:25] <imachine> dr_willis, maybe so. i still like apple.
[06:25] <imachine> :)
[06:26] <dr_willis> for my needs - apple gives me no benifit over the alterantives.
[06:26] <fre1> nixternal: mac osx can be bought and run on a normal pc ?
[06:26] <imachine> well.
[06:26] <dr_willis> but dont get me started on the things they did in the past..
[06:26] <nixternal> yes fre1
[06:26] <dr_willis> :)
[06:26] <imachine> i use open source software.
[06:26] <imachine> im content.
[06:26] <fre1> nixternal: ahhhh this is a news :)
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> For my needs it gives me no benefits (other than it can run logic / ableton live)
[06:27] <imachine> its stable. and it has console.
[06:27] <imachine> it rocks!
[06:27] <imachine> :)
[06:27] <fre1> personnally i dont care about coolness and stuff, i care about having the stuff ported on the current main plateforms
[06:27] <DaSkreech> imachine: Like Vista?
[06:27] <imachine> its the only desktop-oriented *nix OS that i know off that is a commercial *nix.
[06:27] <imachine> DaSkreech, vista is not *nix.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> No but it's touched by it :)
[06:27] <imachine> and i dont have excess hardware to use vista.
[06:27] <imachine> i have a p3-933 as my main box.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Hear hear
[06:28] <imachine> and p3-600 as my server.
[06:28] <DaSkreech> fre1: No KDE4 for you :) It has coolness built in :)
[06:28] <imachine> plus, i dont like window$ :-)
[06:28] <imachine> it's too complicated.
[06:28] <imachine> ;/
[06:29] <h3sp4wn> I still don't know how anyone could want anything other than e-17 (unless they are using fglrx)
[06:30] <dr_willis> I cant see much that "E-17" gives me that makes me more productive. :)
[06:30] <fre1> DaSkreech: close to 'not yet released and wont be anytime soon' label ? :)
[06:30] <dr_willis> other then showing off to the windowz crowd. :P
[06:31] <fre1> nixternal: is there a keyword or something about the 'work on any pc' feature of the last tiger, im looking at their web page dont ffind info about it
[06:31] <DaSkreech> fre1: no they are still working on svn'ing that label :(
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> Its got little touches that make things really fast - if you try to work the "e-17" way
[06:31] <imachine> h3sp4wn, twm + kde.
[06:31] <imachine> i see not how anyone can need more than that...
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> You can't use twn with kde
[06:31] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Whats up with fglrx and the 3?
[06:31] <imachine> some people see how you can not need more than a 9600 baud serial connection into a system's vt100 terminal or it's emultor.
[06:31] <imachine> well.
[06:31] <imachine> opinions differ, get used to it
[06:31] <imachine> :-)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Whoops sorry lapsed to 1337 :-(
[06:32] <dr_willis> I used to use serial-vt100's :P
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: e-17 is really unstable with fglrx thats all
[06:32] <imachine> never had a vt100 myself.
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: I have used vt420's
[06:32] <dr_willis> I got one in the garrage. :P
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Well my kurrent KDE is as well. Whats the point?
[06:32] <imachine> just use emulators.
[06:32] <dr_willis> i tossed an older one.
[06:32] <imachine> dr_willis, i wanted to obtained one.
[06:32] <dr_willis> its easier to get a cheap pc and ssh now a days
[06:32] <imachine> but its not as easy as i thought areound these parts.
[06:32] <imachine> hehe
[06:32] <imachine> :)
[06:33] <imachine> my alpha system rocks; it has modem support or something like that, you can dial in if you break the box..
[06:33] <dr_willis> ebay and other sites have them.. or get a  one of those thinclients
[06:33] <imachine> ;] ] ] ] ]
[06:33] <dr_willis> or get a cheap old pc and a terminal progam.
[06:33] <imachine> yeah, i have a speccie.
[06:33] <imachine> i think my speccie would do fine for terminal emulator.
[06:33] <imachine> but the keyboard is a pain in the ass.
[06:33] <imachine> :)
[06:33] <dr_willis> I got several amigas.. and macse, and others...
[06:33] <imachine> amigas rock.
[06:33] <dr_willis> its always the littel things that get annoying
[06:34] <imachine> i need to obtain one.
[06:34] <imachine> but firts things first, ps2:)
[06:34] <dr_willis> imachine,  where ya live at? I got several.
[06:34] <dr_willis> :P
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Hi ubuntu
[06:34] <imachine> dr_willis, .pl
[06:34] <ubuntu> hi
[06:34] <dr_willis> .pl you live in perl land?
[06:34] <dr_willis> :P
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> I live in perl land
[06:34] <imachine> no, Poland.
[06:34] <dr_willis> heh heh
[06:34] <imachine> altho we have a few perl progammers im sure.
[06:34] <imachine> ;-)
[06:34] <dr_willis> Heck - amigas should be common over there. and in germany.
[06:35] <dr_willis> more popular over there - then here in the USA
[06:35] <dr_willis> sadly
[06:35] <imachine> dr_willis, you are in the usa now?
[06:35] <imachine> isee.
[06:35] <imachine> well, they are popular :]
[06:35] <imachine> and easy to obtain.
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> I wish I never sold my RISC pc (strong arm based)
[06:35] <imachine> i just dont have the cash to spare at the moment.
[06:35] <imachine> :)
[06:35] <imachine> h3sp4wn, oh f......
[06:35] <dr_willis> Smack dab in the Middle of the USA
[06:35] <imachine> h3sp4wn, shame on you
[06:35] <imachine> :]
[06:35] <imachine> dr_willis, sounds nice *g*
[06:35] <imachine> :]
[06:36] <gatekeeper> z00m: hiya, not sure if they give you the source code so you can compile it
[06:36] <dr_willis> about as middle of the USA as ya can get
[06:36] <gatekeeper> z00m: ooops http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[06:36] <dr_willis> Corn Country!
[06:36] <serenity> hi
[06:36] <serenity> i created a script with an & at the end...how to stop this script?
[06:37] <gatekeeper> serenity: Ctrl + c
[06:37] <serenity> no, it's no-hub
[06:37] <z00m> gatekeeper: thanks i'll check that out now ;)
[06:38] <gatekeeper> z00m: just a thought
[06:39] <imachine> are kde4 sshots avail yet?
[06:39] <imachine> still mockups only eh ?
[06:43] <DaSkreech> imachine: You can SVN it
[06:44] <DaSkreech> it looks just like 3.5.3
[06:44] <DaSkreech> or 3.5.1 I think
[06:45] <imachine> DaSkreech, yeah
[06:45] <imachine> bleh
[06:45] <imachine> ;]
[06:45] <imachine> i hate the 'when it's done' release scheduling
[06:45] <imachine> ;p
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Ha ha, Hey man I've always liked KDE for hte tech under the hood :)
[06:46] <dr_willis> would ya rather them give a date then keep moveing it back.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> So as long as that is blazing along I'm happy
[06:46] <dr_willis> :)
[06:46] <DaSkreech> And I think they may have KDE4 debs in edgy :)
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Ga-Ron-teed to break your system :)
[06:46] <dr_willis> I think we need a windowmanager/DE based on the PalmOS look/feel
[06:46] <dr_willis> thta way its totally idiot-proofed. :P almost.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> No Tenor though :(
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> I think perfectionists make better software (e-17 is pre alpha but been in development for 6 years)
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Has there ever been an e release as stable?
[06:47] <dr_willis> gnome was like a pre-aplha for ages.. they kept changeing their window manager and stuff all the time.  then what happened? did ximian kick them in the pants? or some other company?
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> 0.16 is considered stable
[06:47] <dr_willis> so they got their act together.
[06:48] <DaSkreech> It's still DR
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Developers Release
[06:48] <DaSkreech> isn't it?
[06:48] <dr_willis> I thought the DR was part of the name. :P
[06:49] <gatekeeper> I tried the EliveCD but could get X to start, but was extreamly impressed with OLiveCD
[06:49] <imachine> Olive, Elive.
[06:49] <imachine> damnit.
[06:49] <imachine> i just want STABLE e17
[06:49] <imachine> StableLive17
[06:49] <imachine> ;]
[06:49] <imachine> stablElive
[06:49] <imachine> ;]
[06:50] <imachine> but e17 is sort of dying out i think, with all the xgl stuff coming into other windowmanagers.
[06:50] <imachine> its still pretty, just not that different anymore.
[06:50] <imachine> add xgl to openbox or something and you almost get e17 ;p
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> e-17 is getting hardware accelerated effects soon
[06:50] <Hawkwind> imachine: No it's not
[06:50] <imachine> yeah yeah. soon.
[06:50] <imachine> ;p
[06:50] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Don't hold your breath
[06:50] <imachine> Hawkwind, what do you mean no its not.
[06:50] <imachine> yes it is.
[06:50] <imachine> lets flame
[06:50] <imachine> ;)
[06:51] <Hawkwind> imachine: E17 is not dying out
[06:51] <imachine> oh well. yeah in that meaning no ofcourse not.
[06:51] <imachine> its still being worked on.
[06:51] <Hawkwind> Very actively.  100+ commits every single day
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I am not holding my breath - I am not really bothered about hardware accelerated effects
[06:51] <dr_willis> its constantly being worked on.... like a car that never runs right. :)
[06:51] <imachine> but its just fading out sort of thats what i meant. with all the 3d accelrated effects coming into other WM;s.
[06:51] <imachine> dr_willis, its a hotrod.
[06:51] <imachine> :)
[06:52] <dr_willis> imachine,  yea.. sure..
[06:52] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: AFAIK there is no plans of putting those effects into E17 any time soon, if even at all.  raster is firmly against that
[06:52] <imachine> i just like my volvos.
[06:52] <Hawkwind> imachine: No it's not
[06:52] <imachine> and small jap cars.
[06:52] <imachine> ;]
[06:52] <imachine> Hawkwind, what is not now. fading out ?
[06:52] <imachine> i think it is.
[06:52] <Hawkwind> imachine: Where you get your info from I'm not sure.  But E17 is going stronger today than it has in quite some time
[06:52] <gatekeeper> dr_willis: lotus - loads of trouble usually serious :-)
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I have read it is getting aiglx support
[06:52] <imachine> oh man. read what im writing.
[06:52] <Hawkwind> imachine: I'm actively involved in E17 and I know it's not dying out at all
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Who is in charge of #ebuntu?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Which is where I suggest we move this discussion :)
[06:53] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: /cs info #Ebuntu
[06:53] <Hawkwind> Heh
[06:53] <imachine> Hawkwind, oh fuck. dude. okay. its NOT dying out. its just not the only-nice-looking-3d-acceled-wm out there once xgl kicked in.
[06:53] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: You read wrong then.  That won't happen as raster won't allow it
[06:53] <DaSkreech> !language
[06:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:53] <imachine> i guess i just have to say things the hard way sometimes.
[06:53] <imachine> i dont have kids.
[06:53] <imachine> neither do i expect any on irc.
[06:53] <imachine> but okay.
[06:53] <Hawkwind> imachine: XGL is a waste of time and energy.  Not everyone likes that junk
[06:53] <imachine> sorry about that.
[06:54] <imachine> Hawkwind, look man. you like apples. go ahead.
[06:54] <dr_willis> i agree with Hawkwind
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: How does that make it a waste?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> imachine: It's my choice, and many others as well
[06:54] <imachine> please lets end this discussion as i see you are very bullheaded in one direction.
[06:54] <dr_willis> XGL - ise it to show off to your friends... then go back to the minimal window manager to get work done.
[06:54] <Hawkwind> dr_willis: Yep
[06:54] <imachine> i make a small comment, not even insluting your wonderful wm, and you flame on.
[06:54] <imachine> bah l;]
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> I agree with hawkwind
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Exactly what XGL is for
[06:54] <imachine> dr_willis, and what is E17 for?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> imachine: Show me where I've flamed ?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> It's a scalable way of using hardware advances
[06:55] <imachine> productive work?!
[06:55] <imachine> ;)
[06:55] <Hawkwind> You mentioned E17 is dying out.  Those words are completely untruee
[06:55] <DaSkreech> It takes away from CPU usage
[06:55] <imachine> Hawkwind, i explained myself.
[06:55] <dr_willis> imachine,  it seems to be a hobby  of a lot of people. :)
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: he explained what he meant
[06:55] <imachine> Hawkwind, i didnt rely to develiopment.
[06:55] <Hawkwind> Gentoo is a hobby too ain't it ?
[06:55] <Hawkwind> Heh
[06:56] <Hawkwind> LOL
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Doesn't mean you have to go and take them to case for it
[06:56] <imachine> some people said freebsd is dying too.
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Microsoft has been saying for years the Linux os slowly going to die out
[06:56] <imachine> ;)
[06:56] <dr_willis> Computers are a fad.
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Why you even bother to listen to them I don't know
[06:56] <DaSkreech> haha
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: I am hoping one day to have acceleration available that is good enough for production use (from rasterman's blog) I can wait until he thinks it is ready :)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> rasterman is my biggest worry about e though :(
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> He is a perfectionist the world needs more of them
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Yeah but what if he gets hit by a truck or eaten by a shark
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Who takes over?
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> It becomes one of the great unfinished masterpieces probably
[06:58] <dr_willis> RMS !
[06:58] <dr_willis> :OP
[06:59] <DaSkreech> I don't like projects/concepts/companies run by one person's personality
[06:59] <DaSkreech> *cough* Fruit*cough*
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> I don't under most circumstances - But I think he is one of the people who deserves an exeption
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> exception
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Oh no I have all respect for him. and he's done great work
[07:01] <DaSkreech> but ...
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Side point
[07:02] <DaSkreech>  what's up with HURD?
[07:02] <imachine> DaSkreech, you could talk about theo the same way
[07:02] <imachine> one person one company one project
[07:02] <imachine> sort of
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Theo?
[07:02] <imachine> but its not, he's just the face behind.
[07:02] <imachine> yeah, theo de raadt.
[07:02] <imachine> openbsd flamer and developer.
[07:02] <imachine> :)
[07:03] <h3sp4wn> They also write openssh which everyone uses
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Oh no I don't worry about OpenBSD I worry about netbsd a lot mroe :)
[07:03] <DaSkreech> more
[07:03] <imachine> DaSkreech, whats wrong with net? ;]
[07:03] <DaSkreech> hi nalioth
[07:04] <DaSkreech> It seems aimless.
[07:04] <nalioth> howdy
[07:04] <imachine> DaSkreech, nbsd aimless?
[07:04] <imachine> it already supports a million arch
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Like it just tries to be ported to every sanyo radio or samsung phone that comes out
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's what I mean.. what the heck?
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> Linux probably run's on more devices - (I want netbsd for WGT634U but it is not ported)
[07:05] <imachine> DaSkreech, thats the idea of netbsd.
[07:06] <DaSkreech> NetBSD on Cell should be pretty schweet
[07:06] <imachine> to run on many arch and stay portable and unified as good as it can.
[07:06] <imachine> cell i dontk now.
[07:06] <imachine> but jornada
[07:06] <imachine> is what im aiming for :)
[07:06] <imachine> i plan on doing some wifi installations, ISP etc.
[07:06] <imachine> a jornada with a wifi card+pigtail+antenna to test would rock.
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> jordana would have not enough power to run a high power wireless card (ubiquiti etc)
[07:08] <imachine> h3sp4wn, it would run enough to provide with 11mbps.
[07:09] <imachine> b is all i need.
[07:09] <imachine> and i dont need 100mW
[07:09] <imachine> ;]
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> 400mW is best for that type of testing
[07:09] <imachine> people often overestimate wifi.
[07:09] <imachine> man.
[07:09] <imachine> no way.
[07:09] <imachine> i got a 64mW + 8dBi antenna.
[07:09] <imachine> and serve two people on that.
[07:10] <imachine> its not far true that,.
[07:10] <imachine> but why install massive antennage and high power devices ?
[07:10] <imachine> if you can do well without them.
[07:10] <imachine> it kills other peoples connections.
[07:10] <imachine> thats just stupid.
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> For setting up an isp you should use directional antennas and high quality kit - otherwise you will provide poor service
[07:12] <imachine> h3sp4wn, i know. this is just starting now.
[07:12] <imachine> i use linksys *shame*
[07:12] <imachine> :)
[07:12] <imachine> i;ll throw some orinoco gold cards + ap2000 from proxim soon.
[07:12] <imachine> + 2x 90 degrees sector 17dBi antennas on every side of the building.
[07:12] <imachine> DaSkreech, buahahah
[07:12] <imachine> :d
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Just need to get the stupid nVidia drivers now :(
[07:13] <imachine> ;]
[07:14] <DaSkreech> hi ubuntu
[07:15] <linuxmonkey> DaSkreech: their not stupid...lol its something else that is...lol
[07:15] <DaSkreech> linuxmonkey: Well they are either really smart or really stupid :)
[07:16] <linuxmonkey> lol ive never had issues with them and besides their much better than ATI
[07:18] <z00m> linuxmonkey: thinks the same GEFORCE RULE
[07:18] <linuxmonkey> this free vmware server rocks
[07:21] <ubuntu> i have just recieved kubuntu 6.06 CD and instaled it, when booting I got this: GRUB stage1.5 error 5
[07:22] <ubuntu> wtf
[07:23] <Music^Hound> what needs to be turned on in order for mp3 to work ?
[07:23] <Music^Hound> I know its a restricted format
[07:24] <ubuntu> I found out  that tis could be couse of broken partition table but how to fix it?
[07:25] <Kr4t05> Music^Hound, in KDE, just install libxine-extracodecs
[07:25] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: I think I just installed libxine-extracodecs w32codecs and they worked
[07:26] <Music^Hound> ok
[07:26] <gatekeeper> ubuntu: using the installer?
[07:29] <Music^Hound> hmmm can't seem to get those files in adept
[07:30] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[07:30] <Music^Hound> thanx
[07:31] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:37] <Music^Hound> ok got it gatekeeper
[07:38] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: working ?
[07:40] <Music^Hound> yep
[07:40] <Music^Hound> amarok is my main player
[07:40] <Music^Hound> nothing beats it
[07:41] <sensei> Kind of depends on your needs, doesn't it
[07:45] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: excellent :-)
[07:46] <Music^Hound> sensei: what other needs could there be for a music player ?
[07:48] <Music^Hound> it has music management, lyrics from the web, album covers, ipod support. wikipedia for info on artists all built in
[07:51] <sebastian> Hi I installed VMware player into Breezy from the VMware site.  and I have upgraded to Dapper and I want to remove VMware player now and have server instead.  ,but I do not know. how
[07:51] <sebastian> surely it's just some basic command in the shell?  ,but I don't know what
[07:53] <sebastian> yes I know VMware player is now in the Ubuntu resporitories in Dapper,  but since I installed on Breezy.  well that dosan't apply to me
[07:53] <sebastian> and so I carn't remove it from the package manager
[07:53] <sebastian> hi?
[07:53] <sebastian> anyone here?
[07:54] <LjL> no, it can't be some basic command in the shell, since you have installed it by simply running the vendor-provided program
[07:54] <Music^Hound> gatekeeper: what's needed to say compile amarok from cvs ?
[07:54] <LjL> if you're lucky, the vendor also providers an uninstaller script
[07:54] <LjL> that should be in the manual
[07:54] <sebastian> in the manual?  open shell and man vmware player
[07:54] <sebastian> or?
[07:55] <LjL> maybe, but i guess it's in some other user documentation, like a README file that came with the tarball
[07:55] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: build-essentials, but amaroK is in the repos so why do you want to compile?
[07:56] <charlie5> hullooo ... is there a way to somehow equalise the levels of a set of mp3's so that they won't play too soft or too loud but all at the same general level ?
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:57] <charlie5> lol ... alright to rephrase ...
[07:57] <Shizboom> where would my kde directory be?
[07:58] <Music^Hound> gatekeeper: I like to keep up with the latest builds
[07:58] <gatekeeper> Music^Hound: ok :-)
[07:58] <charlie5> DaSkreech: um, any clues ?
[07:59] <Music^Hound> charlie5: you mean like mp3gain ?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Shizboom: ~/.kde
[08:00] <DaSkreech> charlie5: There we go :) couldn't remember the  name of it
[08:01] <charlie5> Music^Hound: :) ... thats the one ... thanks ... (gah !!! ... you would think i would have had the brains to type mp3 into adept search ... sorry for being lazy)
[08:02] <Bazzi> I can only recommend using flac :) :love:
[08:02] <charlie5> DaSkreech: no probs :)
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: Would that include you recomending sub 100 dollar TB hard drives?
[08:03] <Bazzi> harddisk cost like /$100 for like 300gb
[08:03] <Bazzi> it's worth it, really
[08:04] <DaSkreech> I'd rather just burn them off to Armour plated Blu_Rays :)
[08:04] <DaSkreech> `Me too
[08:04] <DaSkreech> But I have like 25 GB free
[08:05] <DaSkreech> And that's with almost all my albums in ogg
[08:05] <Bazzi> 260 free here
[08:05] <DaSkreech> With FLAC
[08:05] <Bazzi> :)
[08:05] <Bazzi> once my disks are full I'll just buy bigger ones
[08:06] <Bazzi> eventually cheaper than burning things off to dvd or the like
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Yeah .. Till they crash :)
[08:07] <Bazzi> backups!
[08:07] <DaSkreech> /:-/
[08:07] <DaSkreech> To DVD?
[08:07] <Bazzi> to other disks
[08:07] <Bazzi> unless murphy comes into place and crashes all of them
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Well I've seen it happen :)
[08:08] <Bazzi> I'd still have my documents saved to my laptop then
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Of course you know that's not scalable :)
[08:08] <Bazzi> and all other things can be re-ripped or re-downloaded
[08:08] <nik> do anybody know how to say the system that the key about the left shift should be "F13"? (I would use it for yakuake)
[08:08] <Bazzi> I have those new things called CDs
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Oh btw how do you kontrolt he mouse with the keyboard?
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: Good for you :)
[08:09] <Music^Hound> why not use musepack ?
[08:09] <piotrek> join #princed
[08:09] <Bazzi> what advantage does musepack have over flac?
[08:09] <Music^Hound> smaller size
[08:10] <Bazzi> is it also lossless?
[08:10] <piotrek> join #princed
[08:10] <Music^Hound> nope
[08:10] <Bazzi> so it's no alternative
[08:10] <Music^Hound> piotrek: stop spamming
[08:10] <piotrek> sorry i have miss the windows
[08:11] <DaSkreech> piotrek: try using /join
[08:11] <piotrek> now it's ok
[08:11] <Music^Hound> Bazzi: why use such a large file for one song when there are lossy alternatives that sound just as good
[08:11] <Bazzi> Music^Hound: because converting them is pain
[08:12] <Music^Hound> what ever floats your boat I guess
[08:13] <Music^Hound> to me there is no sense in using 300-400 mb of space for one album
[08:13] <sebastian> !register
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[08:14] <Music^Hound> Bazzi: how much music do you have on your pc ?
[08:15] <Bazzi> currently not much
[08:15] <Bazzi> 50 albums maybe
[08:15] <Music^Hound> 20000+
[08:15] <DaSkreech> hi aseigo
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Music^Hound: Albums?
[08:15] <Music^Hound> songs
[08:15] <aseigo> DaSkreech: hey =)
[08:16] <Music^Hound> think its like 1600+ albums
[08:16] <DaSkreech> Oh cause I was about to ask for the list. That's got to be worth something :)
[08:16] <Murfy^> the belgian bank KBC is allowing customers to create their own card now, with their own picture on it.. i uploaded something with tux on it and they denied my request.. what sort of copyright is there on tux?
[08:16] <samuli> Music^Hound, I don't understand using flac over ogg or mp3 either.
[08:16] <Bazzi> samuli: vorbis you mean ;)
[08:16] <Music^Hound> only reason for using flac would be for backing up
[08:16] <samuli> Music^Hound, they play the songs over with 5e computer speakers or 10e headphones and complain that 'it's not lossy'
[08:17] <DarkAudit> anyone know of a Linux newsreader that does mp3 search and file seach like News Rover does for windows?
[08:17] <DaSkreech> imachine: NetBSD doesn't have an Xbox port
[08:17] <DaSkreech> interesting enough
[08:17] <Bazzi> samuli: I've got to play it on different players with different formats. just imagine how it sounds once it's been converted lossy three or four times
[08:17] <samuli> on the other hand I understand people, who have put great amounts of money into their music system, don't like mp3's
[08:18] <Bazzi> and mp3 still isn't free, so it's always ahssle
[08:18] <Bazzi> hassle*
[08:18] <samuli> Bazzi, the thing is that you shouldn't :)
[08:18] <Music^Hound> mp3 is just for those that don't understand the alternatives
[08:18] <Bazzi> but once I've got them lossy, I have to
[08:18] <Bazzi> now I just start from flac all the time
[08:18] <samuli> what do you mean you have to? there isn't many players that don't play mp3
[08:19] <Music^Hound> flac to me is a waste of space unless I am backing up albums to dvd
[08:19] <imachine> DaSkreech, it doesnt?
[08:19] <imachine> maybe so
[08:19] <imachine> :/
[08:19] <Bazzi> my cell needs them in lower bitrates for saving space
[08:19] <DaSkreech> imachine: nope :)
[08:19] <Bazzi> my laptop needs them in rather OK quality
[08:19] <charlie5> thanks again guys ... mp3gain worked great :)
[08:19] <imachine> well im sure its a matter oftime.
[08:19] <Music^Hound> vorbis quality 6
[08:19] <imachine> unless theyre trying to avoid cross pathing with ms
[08:19] <imachine> :)
[08:19] <Bazzi> and so on
[08:19] <samuli> Bazzi, so rip them in different qualitys.
[08:20] <Music^Hound> charlie5: an alternative to mp3gain is replaygain
[08:20] <samuli> or if you're pirating you shouldn't be complaining anyways :)
[08:20] <Bazzi> samuli: so I have 5 mp3s of the same song on my harddisk :/
[08:20] <Music^Hound> lol samuli
[08:20] <Bazzi> samuli: if I was pirating, flac would be useless
[08:20] <imachine> mp3vbr/ogg
[08:20] <imachine> is the only way
[08:21] <imachine> :)
[08:21] <imachine> (if youre pirating)
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: You could be a classy pirate :)
[08:21] <Music^Hound> lol
[08:21] <imachine> (but thats not quite the place to discuss that is it )
[08:21] <imachine> :p
[08:21] <imachine> ;)
[08:21] <Bazzi> DaSkreech: converting it from mp3 to flac? ;)
[08:21] <imachine> lets go to efnet ;)
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: heehee :)
[08:21] <imachine> <3 efnet.
[08:21] <samuli> Bazzi, and one flac is all you need? I don't get it.
[08:21] <imachine> not that im a warezer of some sort
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any ideas for a new default Kubuntu theme?
[08:21] <imachine> he he he
[08:21] <imachine> ;p
[08:21] <Bazzi> samuli: flac is the most lazy choice for me :)
[08:22] <imachine> DaSkreech, hmm
[08:22] <imachine> DaSkreech, the bootup menu logo sort of is nice.
[08:22] <Music^Hound> Bazzi: how so ?
[08:22] <imachine> the one you can choose, it could be the default.
[08:22] <imachine> :)))))))
[08:22] <DaSkreech> usplash?
[08:22] <imachine> nono.
[08:22] <imachine> i mean in kde.
[08:22] <imachine> the starting thing.
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Which one?
[08:22] <imachine> browse through them.
[08:22] <imachine> im on arch now.
[08:22] <imachine> i dont know.
[08:22] <imachine> :)
[08:22] <samuli> I use flacs frequently myself, but still people telling how mp3's are bad quality always cracks me up.
[08:22] <Bazzi> Music^Hound: a little shellscript batchconverting the stuff I need, copy, done
[08:23] <Bazzi> Music^Hound: without *ever* having to even think about quality settings and stuff
[08:23] <Bazzi> samuli: it's not bad quality, it's not having the risk about ever having bad quality
[08:23] <imachine> DaSkreech, 'moodin'
[08:23] <imachine> :)
[08:23] <DaSkreech> imachine: Do you mean inbetween you logging in and KDE starting up?
[08:23] <imachine> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705
[08:23] <imachine> ;]
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Oh Yeah :) I have that installed now I forgot it wasn't the default
[08:24] <Music^Hound> Bazzi: try using vorbis quality 6 and see if you can see a difference
[08:24] <DaSkreech>  It's purty on XGL :)
[08:24] <Music^Hound> I want to try out XGL
[08:24] <Bazzi> Music^Hound: vorbis is a no-go since my cell cannot play that
[08:24] <Music^Hound> AAC ?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Correct me if I'm wrong but the .ogg people are behind the FLAC codec?
[08:24] <Music^Hound> DaSkreech: pretty much
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: Write many angry letters to them
[08:25] <Bazzi> and until I get my new soundcard there won't be much of a difference here anyways
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: Follw them up with sane letters explaining the clear benefits of ,ogg :)
[08:25] <Music^Hound> hey DaSkreech how hard is it to get XGL on kubuntu ?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> !xgl
[08:25] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Follow the tinyurl link
[08:25] <ubuntu> gatekeeper: using instaler found on desktop :)
[08:25] <Music^Hound> thanx
[08:26] <Bazzi> DaSkreech: honestly I don't really have the time or motivation to do that
[08:26] <Bazzi> it's like.... SONY!
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Bazzi: Give me a name I'll do it :0
[08:26] <Music^Hound> DaSkreech: how stable is it ?
[08:27] <gatekeeper> ubuntu: do a manual partition, and there is an option to create / remove partition table in there
[08:27] <Bazzi> DaSkreech: my next cell will have symbian os... :)
[08:28] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana!!
[08:28] <gatekeeper> Bazzi: got a nokia using symbian OS :-)
[08:28] <Bazzi> uuuh I don't like nokia :(
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Music^Hound: Just enough to use and not enough to be user friendly
[08:29] <gatekeeper> catch you latter folks
[08:30] <charlie5> Music^Hound: thanks, i'll have a look ... i'm kinda surprised amorok doesn't do this for a playlist on the fly ... or maybe that would take too long
[08:30] <DaSkreech> charlie5: Submit a patch :)
[08:31] <charlie5> lol ... fat chance :)
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> Bazzi: Why not have a cell running linux ?
[08:32] <imachine> h3sp4wn, that would be cool.
[08:32] <imachine> *nix on a cell.
[08:32] <imachine> isnt the nokia n70 supporting that ?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: There is a lot of work on getting that working
[08:32] <Bazzi> h3sp4wn, I wouldn't see the point ;)
[08:32] <DaSkreech>  Nokia is pumping money into having that work
[08:32] <imachine> yeah nokia rocks.
[08:32] <Bazzi> I'd rather have an OS designed for that
[08:32] <imachine> cheers for that.
[08:32] <imachine> Bazzi, man, UNIX!.
[08:32] <imachine> dude, imaghine, walking around with friends.
[08:32] <imachine> hey dude i need a shell box.
[08:32] <imachine> really?> no problem what account do you want.
[08:33] <imachine> click click.
[08:33] <imachine> here you go.
[08:33] <imachine> its gprs so it can be a bit laggy tho.
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I am not bothered all I want is the most portable ssh terminal I can get - I hate cell phones as it is
[08:33] <imachine> but enjoy
[08:33] <imachine> ;)))))))))
[08:33] <charlie5> night folks :)
[08:34] <imachine> bye
[08:34] <imachine> charlie5_zzz, bah you dont reply to ctcp time
[08:34] <imachine> ;p
[08:35] <charlie5_zzz> lol ... i havn't looked into konversation settings ... just using derfaults ... but its 4:20 am here :) ... danged sleep patterns all stuffed up by world cup soccer ;)
[08:35] <ubuntu> which program is THE best for fixing HDD errors?
[08:36] <ubuntu> danke
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Go Italy!!
[08:36] <willvarfar> hmm do videos play in kubuntu, or do I have to install stuff?
[08:36] <imachine> DaSkreech, go france!
[08:36] <imachine> ;]
[08:36] <DaSkreech> I would say a new hard drive :)
[08:36] <sensei> !lamp
[08:36] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[08:37] <charlie5_zzz> I'm with imachine (or was) ... poor aussie socceroo's got beat by Italy in the *worst* possible way
[08:37] <SpAwN> willvarfar: yes videos play but u DO need to install stuff type "!restricted" in this room
[08:37] <willvarfar> !restricted
[08:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:38] <ChefWill> !alias
[08:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about alias
[08:38] <ChefWill> .;[
[08:38] <willvarfar> thx SpAwN; I'll see what kind of pages they are; previously I've tried installing totem and things, but nothing seems to work
[08:39] <DaSkreech> willvarfar: That's really up to you :)
[08:39] <SpAwN> willvarfar: well just follow this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats ...that WILL make the videos work'
[08:40] <ChefWill> does anyone know where aliases are saved?
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> .bashrc
[08:47] <Cntryboy> I'm trying to connect on xchat and I keep getting Closing Link: <IP_ADDRESS> (Bad user info) what does this mean? on konversation at the moment
[08:47] <ChefWill> it means your user infos bad
[08:48] <Cntryboy> what is user info? lol ive never had a prob b4
[08:49] <Cntryboy> only thing in user info is my nick name ?
[08:49] <ChefWill> then theres your problem
[08:49] <ChefWill> you gotta fill in the rest
[08:50] <Cntryboy> the rest is filled out
[08:50] <Cntryboy> but im stating besides nickname and user/real name thats it
[08:51] <ChefWill> dunno, use konversation - its better anyways
[08:51] <Cntryboy> not script wise it's not
[08:51] <Cntryboy> thx anyways cya
[08:52] <ChefWill> bet you he didnt have it all filled out and he just realzied it
[08:52] <sebastian> hummmmmmm and the victum me get's booted out of the Ubuntu channel again,  because of stupid reasons
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> Script wise ? konversation you can just execute any bash script with /exec blah
[08:52] <sebastian> and banned again
[08:54] <sebastian> !register
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[08:59] <Shizboom> anyone ever made a panel applet before?
[09:00] <z00m> anyone around ?
[09:00] <mossman> Hi z00m
[09:00] <z00m> i wanted to change the theme on kubuntu with some of the http://www.kde-look.org themes
[09:00] <vem0m> me
[09:00] <vem0m> yea? whats up?
[09:01] <z00m> do i need to install aa theme manager ?
[09:01] <vem0m> no its there
[09:01] <mossman> You have to download themes,  then use theme mangaer
[09:01] <z00m> is that built into kubuntu or do i need to install it ?
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Check System settings
[09:01] <day_> hi everybody, anybody having a working xorg.conf for kubuntu on macbook 13'' 1280x800 ?
[09:01] <vem0m> goto K menu > Run Command and type kcontrol
[09:02] <vem0m> then in apperance goto themes
[09:02] <vem0m> after u install one that is how u activate it and customize it
[09:02] <z00m> ah great, thanks ;)
[09:02] <mossman> Does the macbook use ATI radeon chipset?
[09:02] <vem0m> np :)
[09:02] <z00m> why didnt i know that ... lol
[09:02] <day_> yes
[09:02] <day_> no
[09:03] <day_> intel i810
[09:03] <vem0m> lol
[09:03] <vem0m> it took me a bit to find it lol as its not in the regular system setting place along with alot of them options
[09:04] <vem0m> might make a icon or shortcut in ur k menu for the KDE control center
[09:04] <vem0m> i did as i use it alot
[09:04] <mossman> do you have x working at the moment?  or ate you using a termnal
[09:05] <day_> the chipset use the i810 intel drivers, and generally needs some tweaking of the bios to use widescreens :-(, which doesn"t exist on macbook
[09:05] <day_> i use x at 1024x768
[09:05] <day_> fuzzy vision :-)
[09:07] <day_> it is a default mode ; the error message of xorg.log is : (WW) I810(0): config file hsync range 45.7143-50.5263kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.
[09:07] <DaSkreech> z00m: You can searh for theme in the System Settings
[09:07] <mossman> You should be able to put a line in /etc/x11/xorg.config that will use 1280 X 800 or  Whatever resolution it uses
[09:07] <day_> and :(II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> make a suitable modeline
[09:08] <day_> and then : (**) I810(0):  Built-in mode "1024x768"
[09:09] <day_> is a modeline useful for a lcd display ?
[09:09] <mossman> in the file /etc/x11/xorg.config is there a line that shows the different resolutions  ex  "16bbp 1280 x 800"
[09:10] <day_> yes
[09:11] <mossman> there should be quite a few lines with the different modes x uses.  There is an option for a default mode.  Make the 1280 X800 24   bit default.  Then restart x
[09:11] <day_> well, currently there is only one mode, for each depth : 1280x800
[09:12] <day_> the defalt depth is already 1280x800, 24bits
[09:12] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: how are you?
[09:12] <mossman> That's Strange.  What driver is x using?
[09:12] <day_> but it isn't taken by the x server, which relies on the default built-in server mode of 1024x768
[09:13] <Cntryboy> day_: why not reconfigure x, and choose everything from a gui interface
[09:13] <day_> i810, i've tried with vesa too
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> day_: You need a custom modeline
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> !fixvideoresolution
[09:13] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:13] <day_> h3sp4wn : why not, but is a custom modeline important for a lcd display ?
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> day_: That fixvideoresolution has a specfic bit for intel graphics
[09:14] <day_> Cntryboy : which gui interface do you advertise ? the one of kubuntu (kde i think), isn't proposing 1280x800
[09:15] <day_> h3sp1wn : sorry i didn't see tthat
[09:16] <day_> yes i may be the right solution :-)
[09:17] <day_> thanks a lot mossman, h3sp4wn, ubotu, Cntryboy, i'm going to try it now :-)
[09:17] <sebsebseb> !ubotu
[09:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[09:17] <ubotu> foo
[09:17] <sebsebseb> he is a bot
[09:17] <sebsebseb> so you carn't realy thank him
[09:23] <ChefWill> kopete vs gaim? comments? :-X
[09:24] <sebsebseb> kopete sucks
[09:24] <sebsebseb> it seems
[09:24] <sebsebseb> compared to Gaim
[09:24] <sebsebseb> I was  on it yesterday
[09:24] <ChefWill> it has some nice features
[09:24] <sebsebseb> logged into MSN account
[09:24] <sebsebseb> and well
[09:24] <sebsebseb> I didn't want it to remember my contact list or anything
[09:24] <ChefWill> i like the message queue system it has
[09:24] <sebsebseb> ,but it did
[09:24] <sebsebseb> and I was also like
[09:24] <ChefWill> and the ability to skin the way conversations appear
[09:24] <sebsebseb> how da hell do I connect to my account again?
[09:25] <sebsebseb> Gaim is a good program except it has some silly bugs here and there
[09:25] <ChefWill> im running gaim now but i think im going to give kopete a chance
[09:25] <ChefWill> i dont know why you cant add your ownself on kopete
[09:25] <sebsebseb> sure and you could give AMSN,  KMESS,  LICQ, etc a chance whilst your at it
[09:26] <ChefWill> i only use aim
[09:26] <sebsebseb> AMSN,  and KMESS by the way are not as nice as the real MSN messenger
[09:27] <ChefWill> eh, i only use aim
[09:29] <Cntryboy> anyone know of a super great script for xchat, that does a ton of stuff?
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> Why xchat ? konversation can run any bash script with /exec blah
[09:30] <ChefWill> konversation has scripts built in
[09:30] <Cntryboy> why not?
[09:30] <ChefWill> media player/sys info / etc
[09:30] <Shizboom> anyone ever make an applet for the panel?
[09:30] <Cntryboy> chefwill: but does it have sys info when someone version you?
[09:30] <DaSkreech> ChefWill: I have hell getting Kopete connecting to AIM but apparently that's just me
[09:31] <ChefWill> no, this is not mirc
[09:31] <ChefWill> works fine for me DaSkreech
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> how do you do that then ? the is listening to thing
[09:31] <ChefWill> its built into konversation
[09:31] <sebsebseb> I think they typed it?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> ChefWill: As I said it's apparently just me
[09:31] <sebsebseb> maybe not
[09:31] <Cntryboy> chefwill: does it have system specs for ppl who version you?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> It connects on average twice a month
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> ChefWill: What do you type ?
[09:31] <ChefWill> /media
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Assuming that you are playing something :)
[09:32] <ChefWill> mhmm
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> I am but it doesn't seem to be working
[09:33] <coachJ> anyone here have a Gmail account??
[09:33] <Cntryboy> chefwill: are you reading what i've asked you 3 times lol
[09:33] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: What are you playing it in?
[09:33] <ChefWill> i already answered you
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> amarok
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Really?
[09:33] <ChefWill> ask in #konversation h3sp4wn
[09:33] <Music^Hound> well that was easy to do DaSkreech
[09:33] <ChefWill> i might be forgetting something
[09:33] <Music^Hound> I got XGL working
[09:33] <sebsebseb> did you how?
[09:34] <sebsebseb> I tryed on a Intel hardware lap top
[09:34] <sebsebseb> yesterday
[09:34] <sebsebseb> didn't work
[09:34] <ubuntu>  /join #freebasic.de
[09:34] <sebsebseb> followed this page on Ubuntu site
[09:34] <Music^Hound> may not be supported on the intel chipset
[09:34] <Cntryboy> chefwill: what did you say?
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Music^Hound: Sweet eh :)
[09:34] <ChefWill> dunno
[09:34] <Music^Hound> yep
[09:34] <Cntryboy> 2.1KB i get scrolls of lag.
[09:34] <Cntryboy> chefwill: you don't even know what you said?
[09:34] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Wait I think you have to turn it on in Amarok
[09:34] <Music^Hound> DaSkreech: how do you make it look like a cube ?
[09:34] <ChefWill> wow you are going on ignore
[09:35] <Cntryboy> does anyone know if konversation scripts have one that will display system specs when someone versions you?
[09:35] <Music^Hound> Sysinfo for 'patrick-desktop': Linux 2.6.15-25-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2000+ at 1673 MHz (3349 bogomips), , RAM: 468/503MB, 90 proc's, 26.38min up
[09:35] <Music^Hound> like that ?
[09:35] <Cntryboy> well sorta, that will work if u didn't have to paste it in the channel
[09:36] <Cntryboy> let me hop over to konversation brb
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Music^Hound: Not sure. Ctrl+F2?
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> CPU[AMD Athlon XP 2600+ clocked at 1913.207 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-rt7-v1 i686]   Up[-11:16-]   Mem[-989.445/1003.56MB-]   HDD[-121GB(17%used)-]   Procs[-118-]   Client[Konversation 0.19]
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> That is infobash -seems to work pretty well
[09:37] <Cntryboy> okay back
[09:37] <Cntryboy> so what was that command you used to show that system spec
[09:37] <Cntryboy> grr i think he left
[09:38] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: try /exec media
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> I have
[09:39] <bbw> Hallo
[09:39] <bbw> ik heb hulp nodig
[09:40] <bbw> help
[09:41] <bbw> is this dutch or english channel
[09:41] <Hawkwind> English
[09:41] <bbw> oke
[09:41] <sebsebseb> is there as Swedish channel?
[09:41] <Hawkwind> bbw: #Kubuntu-nl
[09:41] <bbw> K thanks
[09:41] <Hawkwind> sebsebseb: #Kubuntu-SE maybe ? Or -SW  whatever your country code is
[09:41] <bbw> join #kbunutu-nl
[09:41] <DaSkreech> !sw
[09:42] <ubotu> I know nothing about sw
[09:42] <abattoir> !se
[09:42] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[09:42] <sebsebseb> oh right cool there is :)
[09:42] <sebsebseb> I am not in Sweden :)  I know the language though
[09:44] <MasterEvil`Lapto> What's dpkg command to fix screwed-up apt-get installs?
[09:45] <coachJ> anyone have problems downloading files by left clicking a link in konqueror?
[09:45] <MasterEvil`Lapto> Adept froze while installing something
[09:46] <DaSkreech> dpkg --configre -a
[09:46] <DaSkreech> configure
[09:48] <bbw> Hi can someone help me out
[09:49] <__osh___> bbw: dunno. ask your question.
[09:49] <bbw> i want to activate my nvidia drivers
[09:49] <DaSkreech> !ask
[09:49] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:49] <bbw> dunno how
[09:49] <DaSkreech> !nvidia
[09:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:49] <bbw> K thanks
[09:49] <Grundee> I am having serious problems with nvidia drivers. The nv driver does not work for me, so I use the drivers from the nvidia site. After recompiling my kernel, installing it, compiling the nvidia module, installing that, running nvidia-xconfig, and starting X; it does not work. The error I get is (EE) Failed to load the Nvidia kernel module. (EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration, Fatal server error: no screens foun
[09:49] <Grundee> d. What could the problem be? I know alot of people have trouble with these drivers.
[09:49] <DaSkreech> !women
[09:49] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:50] <fiyawerx> Grundee: what card?
[09:50] <Grundee> Geforce 7800GT
[09:53] <sebsebseb> !being bored
[09:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about being bored
[09:53] <bbw> Does not work to enable nvidia configration sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:54] <fiyawerx> Grundee: odd, i have a 6600gt that works fine, all i did was sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, and then manually go through a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:54] <fiyawerx> and choose "nvidia" for the driver, not the "nv" worked for me
[09:54] <Cntryboy> what is this folder for /home/user/.thumbnails
[09:56] <Grundee> fiyawerx,  When I do that once x starts I get messed up lines and junk at the top of my screen, the rest is blank, and the system stops responding...
[09:56] <fiyawerx> ouch
[09:56] <Grundee> Yeah...
[09:56] <Cntryboy> anyone?
[09:57] <Grundee> Cntryboy, probably a folder for images used by some program.
[09:57] <vem0m> hmmm
[09:58] <ChefWill> anyone here upgrade their kernel to latest?
[09:58] <bbw> how much is 128 MB in KB
[09:58] <ChefWill> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:58] <gnomefreak> ChefWill: wrong channel
[09:58] <gnomefreak> ChefWill: that is an unstable kernel
[09:58] <ChefWill> its stable
[09:58] <gnomefreak> ChefWill: please join #ubuntu+1
[09:58] <vem0m> matter of opinion
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ChefWill: its unstable
[09:59] <Cntryboy> grundee; is it okay to delete the files in this folder? is it like a temp?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ChefWill: it is  in testing in ubuntu as we speak
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> If you build it yourself its considered stable i.e linus considers it stable
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: They will probably get remade at some point
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: But yes
[09:59] <gnomefreak> latest stable ubuntu kernel is 2.6.15-25.43
[09:59] <Cntryboy> daskreech: what will remake them?
[10:00] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Dunno open a few of them and see if they have any meaning to you
[10:00] <Grundee> Cntryboy, It looks like they are small versions of pictures. When you have pictures in folders and you view the contents of the folder. It will display small images instead of large ones, which would take up too much room.
[10:01] <Grundee> They are just cached in the folder so they do not need to be regenerated constantly.
[10:01] <Grundee> It should be safe to delete them. If there are any in there that are used frequently, they will be regenerated.
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> ChefWill: I have had 2.6.17 working on dapper but it needs a different udev - 2.6.16 works fine with dapper (and runs faster)
[10:02] <digitalslacker> could someone tell me where I turn off power saving in the xorg.conf file? Control Center replaces xorg.config and destroys the screen resolution entries when I turn it off there
[10:02] <Grundee> bbw, 131,072 KiB I believe
[10:03] <Cntryboy> Grundee: anyway to tell it not to do this, it takes up more hd space
[10:04] <Grundee> Cntryboy, If it did not do that, it would take less hd space, but would take longer regenerating the pictures every time.
[10:05] <Music^Hound> DaSkreech: try ctrl+alt and move your mouse to move the cube around on XGL
[10:05] <Cntryboy> grundee: thats fine I dont look at photos often
[10:06] <Cntryboy> just digital pics from mnts
[10:07] <BCC> Does anyone know how to reduce the sensitivity of the cube?
[10:07] <BCC> If I drag a window of the screen, the cube rotates about 180 ' :X
[10:07] <Music^Hound> hmm
[10:08] <Grundee> How stable is XGL looking now? Last time I tried it, it took me 17 hours to force it to compile from CVS, and pictures still didn't load right when I was done.  Definately worth it though...
[10:08] <Music^Hound> well looks like you can't run glxgears on XGL
[10:08] <h3sp4wn>  DaSkreech: Any idea how I enable /media then ?
[10:08] <DaSkreech> Grundee: It's a deb now :)
[10:08] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Oh I thought that you had got that sorted :)
[10:09] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: It's in your command shortcuts?
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Yes
[10:09] <Grundee> Hehe, nice. Not even going to try it until I get my drivers working though. And then I may even want to get some work done instead of messing around with this all day...
[10:10] <Music^Hound> h3sp4wn: you got amarok ?
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> 1.41
[10:10] <Cntryboy> grundee: so how can I get it not to store files there?
[10:10] <Music^Hound> is it running and playing a song ?
[10:10] <fiyawerx> Grundee: watch those 4 letter words please
[10:10] <fiyawerx> you said w**k
[10:11] <Grundee> fiyawerx, sorry. :-P
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> Music^Hound: Yep
[10:11] <fiyawerx> ;)
[10:11] <Music^Hound> type /media
[10:11] <Grundee> Cntryboy, I seriously have no idea how to disable that. Is it causing problems for you? Why do you want to stop it?
[10:12] <Cntryboy> I need all the space I can take, uploading dvds to my hd
[10:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: tell us if it throws an error
[10:12] <Cntryboy> I also need to find other places that stores files for no reason so I can get that off 2
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> I have already tried that a number of times - it just does nothing
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Yeah.. with activites like that a new hard drive might be the way to go :)
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> I have enabled loads of stuff in script manager but it doesn't seem to help
[10:13] <Music^Hound> what version of konversation you using ?
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> 0.19
[10:13] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: try /uptime
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> Random Fortune: As usual, this being a 1.3.x release, I haven't even compiled this kernel yet. So if it works, you should be doubly impressed. 	-- Linus Torvalds, announcing kernel 1.3.3
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> Uptime: 11 hours and 53 minutes
[10:13] <Music^Hound> Uptime: 1 hours and 4 minutes
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> All the other ones work
[10:13] <Grundee> I see... Just delete the contents of the folder for now. But it really probably is best to get a new hard drive if a few pictures in a folder are enough to prevent you from copying 4GB DVDs.
[10:13] <Music^Hound> weird
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Something is not enabled :-(
[10:14] <Music^Hound> mine worked out of the box
[10:15] <Music^Hound> "smb:///" is not a valid location.  hmmmm ?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> I think I had to turn somethign on
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> Music^Hound: What do you have running in script manager in amarok ?
[10:15] <Music^Hound> it was working earlier
[10:15] <Music^Hound> nothing is running cept score default
[10:17] <Music^Hound> seem to have lost my network connection to my windows pc
[10:17] <RawSewage> smb://
[10:17] <RawSewage> no
[10:17] <RawSewage> smb:/
[10:17] <Music^Hound> hmm wonder why its doing that
[10:18] <RawSewage> does smb:/  work
[10:18] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Did you ask in #konversation
[10:19] <Music^Hound> says no file or folder RawSewage
[10:19] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: No
[10:19] <Grundee> fiyawerx, I just tried that stuff you wrote before about nvidia-glx; it somehow magically worked...  Wow...
[10:19] <RawSewage> Music^Hound, with one slash only?
[10:19] <Music^Hound> yes
[10:19] <RawSewage> I guess the other computers are offline
[10:19] <Music^Hound> no its on
[10:19] <RawSewage> is the other computer Windows or LInux
[10:20] <Music^Hound> windpws
[10:20] <Music^Hound> windows*
[10:20] <Music^Hound> it was working like 2 hours ago
[10:20] <RawSewage> weird
[10:20] <Music^Hound> brb let me try something
[10:21] <fiyawerx> Grundee: cool :)
[10:21] <RawSewage> So... does Bogofilter just work better and better the longer you use it?
[10:21] <eniac_petrov> hi all
[10:21] <RawSewage> It's almost like AI
[10:21] <eniac_petrov> I have problems wiht kubuntu
[10:21] <eniac_petrov> why I can't install xine extra plugins?
[10:22] <RawSewage> ok, do this
[10:22] <RawSewage> alt+f2
[10:22] <Music^Hound> hmm works in kde but not in gnome RawSewage
[10:22] <RawSewage> type adept
[10:22] <Grundee> fiyawerx, Finally. Thanks. Time to get some w**k done. :-P
[10:22] <fiyawerx> Grundee: enjoy
[10:22] <fiyawerx> so does anyone know any nvidia instance where doing that _hasn't_ worked?
[10:22] <fiyawerx> everyone i've suggested it to has worked ok
[10:22] <fiyawerx> !nvidia
[10:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:23] <RawSewage> eniac_petrov, follow my instructions and youll get it working
[10:23] <RawSewage> did you open Adept
[10:23] <DaSkreech> eniac_petrov: Do you have Multiverse?
[10:23] <fiyawerx> altho i've never had 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' work for me
[10:24] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Alt+Space is so much nicer :)
[10:24] <eniac_petrov> multiverse?
[10:24] <RawSewage> I restart with a clean session
[10:24] <RawSewage> it doesnt start Katapult by default
[10:25] <RawSewage> btw, how do I select which programs start on startup?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Ah :-( kuake and katapult are my left and right crutches
[10:25] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[10:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about autostart
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Silly bot
[10:25] <DaSkreech> ./kde/AutoStart
[10:25] <RawSewage> I'd use Kuake, but it doesnt let me configure my shortcuts, such as Ctrl+V for paste, Ctrl+C for copy, etc
[10:25] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Continue helping eniac_petrov :)
[10:25] <RawSewage> ty
[10:26] <RawSewage> !mp3
[10:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:26] <eniac_petrov> no, no problem
[10:26] <RawSewage> eniac_petrov,  follow this guide:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <eniac_petrov> 10x
[10:26] <eniac_petrov> and sorry my enslish is bad :-)
[10:27] <RawSewage> DaSkreech, what do I put in the AutoStart folder
[10:27] <MasterEvil`Lapto> anyone know a good tech support channel that would know about CRT monitors
[10:28] <DaSkreech> anything that is executable in that folder ges run on KDe start up
[10:28] <DaSkreech> so just puta bash script that starts what you need to start
[10:28] <komatek21-tom> toto
[10:28] <RawSewage> oh
[10:28] <DaSkreech> MasterEvil`Lapto: Could try ##linux
[10:28] <DaSkreech> or #x.org :)
[10:29] <MasterEvil`Lapto> it's a monitor thing, not really linux related
[10:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah but they would probaly have someone who knows
[10:29] <MasterEvil`Lapto> alright
[10:29] <Hawkwind> MasterEvil`Lapto: #Hardware ?
[10:29] <DaSkreech> Tell Quiznos that DaSkreech says hi :)
[10:29] <DaSkreech> Ah #hardware. Of course :)
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Like #networking
[10:30] <DaSkreech> You just never think of it
[10:30] <DaSkreech> or #ubuntu-libre
[10:30] <digitalslacker> what file contains the config for power saving? I don't want my monitor to turn off after half an hour
[10:30] <RawSewage> lol
[10:31] <RawSewage> that movie hasnt even come out yet, and it already has cult status
[10:31] <DaSkreech> WooCtrl+H Ctrl+H00t!
[10:33] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: What was the red pill?
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Using a different script
[10:33] <DaSkreech> Which script?
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> One called media2 that I found that is an alternate implimentation of it
[10:34] <DaSkreech> What was wrong with the first one?
[10:34] <DaSkreech> there is a media one?
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> I don't know my konversation directory somehow has got messed up
[10:34] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Cause it's MoFo Snakes on a MoFo Plane!!
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> the first one was not working
[10:35] <RawSewage> lol
[10:39] <z00m> is there any advance logging system in linux ?
[10:39] <z00m> security wise
[10:41] <eniac_petrov> RawSewage , thanks for the link
[10:42] <RawSewage> eniac_petrov, did you get it working
[10:42] <eniac_petrov> no, but I'll try
[10:42] <eniac_petrov> I am tryning now..
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> z00m: Why do you need advanced ?
[10:45] <arseniq> i have a amd64 system and cant install flash player because of my architecture do you know a 64bit flash player?
[10:46] <h3sp4wn> z00m: For any logging system to be useful it has to be configured
[10:47] <z00m> h3sp4wn: my box just went all funny started to run mega slow, thought someone might have been trying to DDos me or something
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> z00m: Could have been something running from anacron or something
[10:53] <eniac_petrov> RawSewage , It works, thanks!
[10:53] <RawSewage> eniac_petrov, cool
[10:57] <Music^Hound> RawSewage: the smb problem got fixed :)
[10:57] <Music^Hound> you need to isntall libgnomevfs2-extra to fix it
[10:57] <Music^Hound> install*
[10:58] <duarte> hello all!
[10:59] <duarte> i'm trying to configure my kubuntu installation with easyubunt but when i start the configuration process i get this error msg:
[10:59] <eniac_petrov> RawSewage , this don't works , but I'll write you tomorou, becouse now is 12:10 PM - for me
[10:59] <duarte> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[10:59] <eniac_petrov> bye! good night!
[10:59] <duarte> can someone helpme ?
[10:59] <RawSewage> ok
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> duarte: Try #easyubuntu or I can tell you how to install anything you want manually
[11:00] <duarte> ok.... thanks
[11:00] <fiyawerx> i had no luck with either easybuntu or automatix, i suggest learning it the "manual" way if you want to be able to fix things in case anything goes bad with them
[11:01] <Mrono> hi
[11:02] <duarte> i eanbled the universe repository but i dont' find gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse package... just find "ugly" package :(
[11:04] <Mrono> I'm having a problem booting kubuntu desktop 6.06 64-bit on a 64-bit machine
[11:04] <gatekeeper> duarte: that one is in multiverse
[11:04] <Mrono> It's got 2 HDD's
[11:05] <xplore> hello
[11:05] <gatekeeper> duarte: if you are using firefox there is a pacakage search engine installed as standard
[11:06] <mossman> hello xplore
[11:06] <xplore> hi mossman my first time here
[11:06] <mossman> Welcome
[11:06] <Mrono> The machine hangs on the first item after boot selection
[11:06] <xplore> just tried this prog and it works fine
[11:07] <xplore> imaybe you can help me?
[11:07] <mossman> which program?  Konversation?
[11:07] <xplore> yes
[11:07] <mossman> Sure
[11:07] <mossman> I can try
[11:07] <xplore> i tried the dual monitor mode under kubuntu 6(sorry if my english is bad)...
[11:08] <xplore> but i have to use a agp card and a pci card
[11:08] <mossman> dual monitor.  OK.  that should be no problem
[11:09] <mossman> what exactly happens when x starts?
[11:09] <xplore> the pci monitor works with low resolution and the agp monitor stays black
[11:11] <mossman> ok.  Are you new to Linux,  or just new to kubuntu
[11:11] <benkong2> I got a fresh install of ubuntu/kubuntu and this is an error message on nm-applet http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17710
[11:16] <weedar> Hi! I am booting from the Kubuntu CD - will I be able to burn a DVD from the same drive or is linux dependant on the CD being in the drive_
[11:16] <weedar> ?
[11:16] <DaSkreech> It's dependent
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> You won't (unless you have 2 drives)
[11:16] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: where are the scripts for konversation?
[11:18] <weedar> ok, thanks for clarifying it DaSkreech and h3sp4wn
[11:18] <DaSkreech>  Sure
[11:19] <DaSkreech> Sweet I got Libcairo2 installed!
[11:20] <RawSewage> did that keep breaking
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I only have that alternative /media one and infobash
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Yup
[11:20] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Where do you see that?
[11:21] <weedar> My main problem is really that when booting from my harddrive linux halts at "loading hardware"
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> http://rebelhomicide.demon.nl/
[11:21] <weedar> I'm afraid my harddrive is dying :(
[11:22] <RawSewage> Does Konqueror have a way of reloading pages at set intervals
[11:23] <z00m> is there any good space shooter games on linux ?
[11:23] <kosh> RawSewage: yes it does
[11:23] <z00m> side scrollers
[11:24] <kosh> RawSewage: settings -> configure extensions -> tools -> auto refresh plugin
[11:24] <kosh> RawSewage: then you can use the tools menu and set the refresh for that page
[11:24] <RawSewage> ah cool ty
[11:25] <kosh> there are lots of tools and they used to be all on by default
[11:25] <gatekeeper> z00m: gnash any good or another dead end?
[11:25] <kosh> but someone decided that made things too hard so they are all turned off by default now
[11:25] <RawSewage> I know, I dont liek that
[11:25] <RawSewage> I restored all the Konqueror options
[11:25] <kosh> same here
[11:25] <RawSewage> like config for individual folders, etc
[11:26] <kosh> however there where lots of complaints about how it is just too hard since it has so many options
[11:26] <RawSewage> lol @ Windows users
[11:26] <kosh> everyone has an idea of what options they need to get work done and any option beyond that most see as being unecessary
[11:26] <kosh> however everyone has a different set they work with
[11:27] <kosh> RawSewage: actually most of the criticism comes from mac and gnome users
[11:27] <kosh> RawSewage: windows users and used to having lots of options
[11:27] <RawSewage> oh
[11:27] <z00m> gatekeeper: no its still not working, i was getting errors when trying to ./configure so i thought sod it
[11:28] <gatekeeper> z00m: damn
[11:28] <MasterEvilAce> anyone use XVNCVIEWER?
[11:28] <gatekeeper> z00m: you have build-essentials installed?
[11:28] <richardh_> Hi...I'm on Kubuntu dapper, and my cdrom/dvd drive doesn't show...is this a bug?
[11:28] <DaSkreech> z00m: try Chromium
[11:29] <Mrono> hi
[11:29] <DaSkreech> _richard: Maybe :)
[11:29] <gatekeeper> richardh_: will only show when you put a CD or DVD in and not then
[11:29] <Mrono> anyone using kubuntu 6.06 desktop 64-bit
[11:29] <Mrono> cd edition
[11:30] <DaSkreech> richardh_: Maybe :-)
[11:30] <gatekeeper> richardh_: and not always then (ooops)
[11:31] <z00m> gatekeeper: you know what i dont think i did have it installed when i was trying to configure, but i think its a standalone app, im not sure if it will work with my browsers or not :/
[11:31] <z00m> DaSkreech: yes i have played that game is there any more that you know off
[11:31] <Mrono> When I try to boot from it it hangs on the firstitem past the boot selection
[11:31] <richardh_> gatekeeper: thanks, but I'm aware of that..no, there's no actual /dev/cdrom and when trying to burn with K3b, it doesn't find any devices...
[11:32] <DaSkreech> !games
[11:32] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:32] <DaSkreech> Right
[11:32] <DaSkreech> !tell z00m about games
[11:33] <z00m> thanks
[11:33] <DaSkreech> Mrono: Root File system?
[11:33] <gatekeeper> z00m: build-essentials I think has a lot of the source code you need to build other application from source ./configure will winge at you for extra bits and pieces but you be able to get a reasonable way
[11:33] <DaSkreech> gatekeeper: Tell him about build-dep
[11:34] <gatekeeper> dependencies ?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> richardh_: Can You go to System settings and tell me if you see your CDrom in the Disks and File systems Settigns?
[11:34] <Mrono> daserch,yeah
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Mrono: Hmm this is from a Live CD?
[11:35] <Mrono> the live/install cd
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Hrrm
[11:36] <DaSkreech> This is after the Boot menu right?
[11:36] <Mrono> yeah
[11:36] <Mrono> it worked once, then when I tried to install to HDD it froze while trying to install
[11:36] <AndyGee> hello
[11:36] <DaSkreech> OK there should be a CD check
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Hmm not that then
[11:36] <Mrono> did it
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Hi AndyGee
[11:36] <AndyGee> my installer keeps crashing why is that?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> Mrono: ?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> AndyGee: Same place?
[11:37] <AndyGee> hi daskreech
[11:37] <AndyGee> yeah at the bootloader
[11:37] <Mrono> I did the check the cd for errors
[11:37] <gatekeeper> AndyGee: my money is on a hardware problem
[11:37] <richardh_> daskreech: oh, thanks...yes, I can...it says something about beingdeactivated...went int sysadmin mode...tried to mount, tells me wrong filetype...should I change that in fstab?
[11:38] <AndyGee> hardware prob cudnt be cuz it runs other ok
[11:38] <gatekeeper> AndyGee: I had a bad maxtor HDD with exactly the same problem, or it could be your iso or your CD
[11:38] <coachJ> can someone tell me what I have to do to get Kaudio to rip MP3s
[11:38] <DaSkreech> Mrono: you have a OS on the Hard drive already?
[11:39] <coachJ> getting this error
[11:39] <coachJ> The selected encoder was not found.
[11:39] <coachJ> The wav file has been removed. Command was: lame --preset standard --tt 'Mystic Rhythms' --ta 'Rush' --tl 'R30 - Disc 2' --ty '2005' --tn '02' --tg 'Progressive Rock' '/tmp/kde-jeff/EYRxxa.wav' '/home/jeff/mp3/Rush/R30 - Disc 2/Rush - 02 - Mystic Rhythms.mp3'
[11:39] <gatekeeper> AndyGee: have you asked the CD to do a self check?
[11:39] <Mrono> nope
[11:39] <AndyGee> i tryed ubuntu to install crashed at the same place as kubuntu
[11:39] <Mrono> I swap HDD
[11:39] <AndyGee> yeah gatekeep
[11:39] <DaSkreech> richardh_: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab file?
[11:39] <z00m> brb
[11:41] <coachJ> anyone
[11:41] <gatekeeper> DaSkreech: wounder if z00m is off for another try :-)
[11:41] <sysrpl> hello
[11:41] <AndyGee> i havent a clue wots doing it :(
[11:41] <DaSkreech> coachJ: Just use Konqueror
[11:41] <omeow> When will the changes I made in /etc/udev/rules.d/* show up?
[11:41] <omeow> Do I have to restart udev for that? (I did and I still don't see the changes.)
[11:41] <sysrpl> has anyone had problems with apps and glibc *invalid pointer* causing crashes?
[11:41] <AndyGee> these are original cds by the way
[11:42] <sysrpl> i think ubuntu's glibc is borked
[11:42] <AndyGee> i had a copy of knoatix or sumthing installed
[11:42] <coachJ> can someone tell me how to get Kaudio to rip to mp3??
[11:42] <gatekeeper> AndyGee: you can ask the CD to do a self check when you boot it up to make sure it's ok one of the options
[11:42] <AndyGee> that i downloaded
[11:42] <DaSkreech> coachJ: Have you tried Konqueror?
[11:42] <AndyGee> yeah its ok gatekeeper i done that
[11:42] <coachJ> ill try
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Mrono: You swap them?
[11:42] <arseniq> is there a shortcut key combination for minimizing all open windows in kde?
[11:43] <AndyGee> ill try unbuntu again
[11:43] <DaSkreech> arseniq: Alt+Ctrl+D
[11:43] <cox377> lol
[11:43] <AndyGee> o/
[11:43] <cox377> that command isnt exactly ergonomical
[11:43] <arseniq> DaSkreech: ah yes thanks :)
[11:43] <coachJ> how do I use Konq to rip?
[11:43] <gatekeeper> AndyGee: try a manual partition, remove what is there re-partition and try again, if that fails try badblocks on your HDD
[11:43] <DaSkreech> coachJ: You have the CD in the tray?
[11:44] <coachJ> yes
[11:44] <DaSkreech> open Konqueror and type audiocd:/ in the bar
[11:45] <coachJ> ok
[11:45] <arseniq> also what is the shortcut for run command?
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Alt+F2
[11:45] <arseniq> i tried alt ctrl r :)
[11:45] <AndyGee> i just found the crash report
[11:45] <AndyGee> !paste
[11:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:45] <coachJ> run command
[11:45] <arseniq> DaSkreech: thanks! :)
[11:46] <AndyGee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17714
[11:46] <DaSkreech> arseniq: I like Alt+Space though :)
[11:47] <gatekeeper> AndyGee: test your HDD is ok
[11:47] <AndyGee> how do i do that?
[11:47] <coachJ> DaSkreech-alt+f2 brings up the run diag box
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Right to run command
[11:47] <gatekeeper> z00m: welcome back :-)
[11:47] <z00m> gatekeeper: thanks
[11:47] <bluesceada> alt space is for the katapult, right
[11:47] <coachJ> whats the command?
[11:47] <DaSkreech> coachJ: You tried audiocd:/
[11:47] <z00m> gatekeeper: is there any place i can post up a screen shot
[11:47] <coachJ> yes
[11:48] <LjL> z00m: the pastebin
[11:48] <coachJ> got a screen with the cd contents
[11:48] <LjL> !pastebin
[11:48] <gatekeeper> !pastbin > z00m:
[11:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:48] <AndyGee> gatekeeper how do i check my hdd
[11:48] <gatekeeper> z00m: use pastebin
[11:48] <arseniq> DaSkreech: waw katapult is better really :)
[11:49] <z00m> i was messing with my themes and now i got this blue colour on my server list in IRC client, i just wanted to know where i can change it back
[11:49] <sysrpl> if i installed a set of tools built from the source using "./configure --profile=/usr; make; sudo make install" ... how would i then later remove all these tools?
[11:49] <DaSkreech> coachJ: And a set of folders?
[11:49] <DaSkreech> MP3? Ogg? Wav?
[11:49] <fiyawerx> sysrpl: you should be able to sudo make uninstall i think it is
[11:50] <sysrpl> fiyawerx: i'll try that
[11:50] <coachJ> yes
[11:50] <gatekeeper> sysrpl: I think you should checkinstall
[11:50] <sysrpl> fiyawerx: i'll try thanks
[11:50] <coachJ> yes
[11:50] <sysrpl> i used checkinstall before
[11:50] <sysrpl> but checkinstall failed on one package
[11:50] <z00m> gatekeeper: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17716
[11:51] <DaSkreech> coachJ: ok Just copy that folder to your hard drive and you will rip the CD in the format shown
[11:51] <sysrpl> i've installed like four times using various setups
[11:51] <sysrpl> this is just the first time i hadn't used checkinstall
[11:51] <z00m> i want to get rid of the nasty dark blue on the server list, not good for my eyes
[11:51] <sysrpl> hence why i was asking how to remove this time
[11:51] <coachJ> you mean copy the songs to the folder with the format I want to rip to?
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> Don't use checkinstall if you can help it
[11:52] <sysrpl> h3sp4n: why not?
[11:52] <h3sp4wn> Doesn't handle dependancies properly or changing any files that are already in use
[11:52] <gatekeeper> z00m: I am probable not the one to ask, is the highlight colour nackered?
[11:52] <LjL> don't use checkinstall *if there is an Ubuntu deb package available*. otherwise, it's probably the best option
[11:52] <DaSkreech> coachJ: No Just copy the folder named MP3
[11:52] <DaSkreech> off the CD
[11:52] <sysrpl> so you would just reccomend sudo make install?
[11:53] <LjL> sysrpl: i wouldn't.
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> LjL: I would say using apt-get -b source with debian sid / or experimental deb-src repos is better than checkinstall
[11:53] <sysrpl> okay, so what techinque then?
[11:53] <z00m> yes its dark blue, it was not like that till i messed with themes now i put the theme back to default and its still there
[11:53] <coachJ> ok, does that mean there are already mp3s on the CD???
[11:53] <sysrpl> i'm getting conflicting advice
[11:53] <LjL> h3sp4wn: possibly.
[11:53] <LjL> !checkinstall
[11:53] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[11:54] <LjL> !compiling
[11:54] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:54] <LjL> that's mostly all i have to say.
[11:54] <gatekeeper> z00m: to be honest I don't know the answer to this one may be one of the others might?
[11:54] <sysrpl> h3sp4wn: well the sources i am making from are not on any deb repositories
[11:54] <LjL> if you can avoid compiling, do. if you have to, install with checkinstall. though h3sp4wn is probably right about debian experimental packages, but that's a bit of a borderline case
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> sysrpl: What are you making ?
[11:55] <sysrpl> all the different mono tools
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> !pbuilder
[11:55] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[11:55] <sysrpl> with the latest stable stuff
[11:55] <DaSkreech> coachJ: How is it going?
[11:55] <coachJ> daskreech--I understand what to do now, but are those files on the CD
[11:55] <z00m> gatekeeper: ok no worries
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> sysrpl: I would learn how to use pbuilder (may as well do stuff properly right ?)
[11:56] <coachJ> or are just what will be riped?
[11:56] <sysrpl> h3sp4wn: breifly, what's pbuilder?
[11:56] <DaSkreech> coachJ: They are what will be ripped. Pretty cool huh? :)
[11:56] <sysrpl> anyhow, the problem i think is with ubuntu's own libraries, which is why i keep rebuilding
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> sysrpl: (one way of) building deb's properly
[11:56] <z00m> does anyone else know how i can get the dark blue colour from my server list in irc client i think its something in the themes settings http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i17716
[11:56] <coachJ> very cool thks
[11:57] <DaSkreech> Sure :)
[11:57] <coachJ> its ripping
[11:57] <DaSkreech> I recommend Ogg :)
[11:57] <coachJ> will an Ipod play?
[11:58] <sysrpl> this bug is affeect the monodoc program and it's gnome kthmlsourceview control ... crashing at glibc free with an invalid pointer on me everytime -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/freewheeling/+bug/28560
[11:58] <arseniq> how should i edit my config files? sudo kedit in alt+f2 didnt work
[11:58] <coachJ> DaSkreech will ogg play in an Ipod?
[11:58] <sysrpl> so i am going to try and removing everything again and install only from the ubuntu mono packages and not the source
[11:59] <sysrpl> to see if the error goes away
[11:59] <gatekeeper> LjL: where is the best place to put source code you download when you want to compile & build /usr/src ?
[11:59] <LjL> gatekeeper: i usually just put the *source* code in my home, but i guess /usr/local/src/program-version
[12:00] <DaSkreech> coachJ: Nope!
[12:00] <coachJ> k
[12:00] <sensei> I keep my sources in /l33twarez
[12:00] <coachJ> keeps stalling
[12:00] <sensei> I see no point in adding extra dirs in the path..
[12:00] <DaSkreech> coachJ: You should write to them about that
[12:00] <gatekeeper> LjL: thanx :-)
[12:00] <DaSkreech> coachJ: As long as it picks back up
[12:01] <coachJ> waiting
[12:01] <coachJ> 0%
[12:02] <coachJ> i will right them
[12:03] <DaSkreech> coachJ: It's stalled at 0%?
[12:03] <coachJ> yes
[12:04] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[12:04] <coachJ> still stalled
[12:04] <DaSkreech> coachJ: try Ogg
[12:04] <coachJ> trying
[12:04] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking that you don't have lame installed
[12:05] <Music^Hound> libmad0 is what he needs
[12:05] <coachJ> stalled
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Ok
[12:06] <DaSkreech> I have to go though
[12:06] <coachJ> ok
[12:06] <coachJ> anyone pick up for him
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Music^Hound: to rip?
[12:06] <coachJ> ogg now working
[12:07] <DaSkreech> ah check if you have lame installed
[12:07] <DaSkreech> I'm off!
[12:07] <coachJ> if not get from ADEPT
[12:07] <coachJ> thks
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Right
[12:07] <coachJ> thks
[12:07] <DaSkreech> sure