[10:12] <fyrestrtr> spc: if you just want to create a database, install mysql-server mysql-client, then run mysql -u root -p (hit enter, then hit enter again when it asks for a password) then at the mysql> prompt, type create database wordpress; grant all on wordpress.* to wp@localhost identified by 'somepass'; -- then your username is wp, your database name is wordpress, and your password is whatever is somepass.
[10:12] <Defaf> i am very interested in Linux, and especially Ubuntu. but i have a few questions about it. 1. is installing programs a big hassle? (trying to find different components etc..) 2. whats the use of Ubuntu compared to windows? 3. does Ubuntu have programs that arent available for windows? thank you in advance!
[10:12] <Tonren> spc: erUSUL: Hmmm... there must be some kind of gtk package then.
[10:12] <Ayavaron> @elsul
[10:12] <Ayavaron> Will I have to redownload them each time I run it?
[10:13] <bruce89> !noob
[10:13] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[10:13] <bruce89> aww
[10:13] <fyrestrtr> Defaf: 1. yes, 2. this depends on what you use windows for currently 3. yes.
[10:13] <Tonren> Defaf: The answers to your questions are "No, usually", "Faster, less bloated, no spyware/viruses, no corporate BS, more choices, more customizability", and "Yes".
[10:13] <erUSUL> Ayavaron: yes
[10:13] <TigerDuck> Good evening
[10:13] <scrappy_> Defaf: installing programs is easier than windows or mac.. hardware support is another issue
[10:14] <Defaf> scrappy_: and people wonder why linux isnt that popular amongst mainstream users?
[10:14] <linxeh> Hi - I'm running dapper i386 on an amd64 box - which kernel package should I install (at the moment I'm just running the stock i386 one). Is there a special amd64 package, or should I use i686 or k7?
[10:14] <Ayavaron> @erUSUL
[10:14] <Ayavaron> So then is there any way to save what I'm working on when I'm using a LiveCD? I can't save the package and things to a USB device? IF so, then that makes a LiveCD pretty useless for what I need it for. Do I need to start looking for a different solution to my problem?
[10:14] <fyrestrtr> linxeh: lots of things don't work in 64 bit mode.
[10:15] <Phantom784> i want to change my monitor, but I know that when I installed, it auto-detected and put information about my old monitor in the xorg.conf file.  is there a program i can run to re auto-detect my monitor?
[10:15] <knoppix> Hey guys, how can I resize a ext3 partition using qtparted?
[10:15] <fyrestrtr> Ayavaron: what is your problem?
[10:15] <linxeh> fyrestrtr: ? I just want an EM64T optimised kernel, not a 64bit distro - ive got the 32bit i386 distro installed...
[10:15] <erUSUL> Ayavaron: you can save the files you work on (doc, spreadsheet) but not program files. this live in /usr/
[10:16] <fyrestrtr> Phantom784: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:16] <ardchoille> Ayavaron: I often use LiveCD's and just mount a USB stick to save files. There are livecd's that automount USB sticks
[10:16] <Ayavaron> @fyrestrtr
[10:16] <Ayavaron> The computers at my school are Macs and the software I want to use is not very good in the Mac versions. I thought that using a LiveCD for the applications would be a good way around things.
[10:16] <eugman> To become root I type sudo su right? And please don't warn me about root.
[10:16] <Phantom784> fyrestrtr: thanks
[10:16] <Ayavaron> Ok.
[10:16] <linxeh> Ayavaron: tried fink / darwinports ?
[10:16] <Ayavaron> Thanks.
[10:16] <fyrestrtr> eugman: sudo -i
[10:16] <linxeh> or sudo -H -s
[10:16] <crayzee> Sorry, connection dropped
[10:16] <IAskew> Ayavaron, the puters in ur skool are macs?
[10:16] <eugman> What did what I said do?
[10:16] <fyrestrtr> Ayavaron: are they osx macs, or prior?
[10:17] <linxeh> eugman: it would work, but its effectively running su twice
[10:17] <Ayavaron> I haven't tried Darwinports or Fink, but they are programs with Mac versions. I just find X11 to be a repulsive solution and then most people in the Yearbook team wouldn't be compfortable with it.
[10:17] <bburns_> I am trying to start up syslog-ng, I have before but now I restarted and it tells me Address already in use (98)
[10:17] <cmatheson> fyrestrtr: file thinks it's an html doc too.  it opens correctly in excel though.
[10:17] <Ayavaron> They're OS X G4 eMacs.
[10:17] <aarohi> anyone?
[10:17] <cmatheson> bruce89: how do i open it as spreadsheetml?
[10:17] <linxeh> Ayavaron: macosx rocks
[10:17] <aarohi> i'm on ubuntu and i have the kubuntu cd added to the repository list and i started installing the kubuntu-desktop package through synaptic but unfortunately it starts downloading packages from the internet. i cancelled. what do i do to make it install the kubuntu packages from cd? someone help please. :)
[10:17] <bburns_> can anyone help?
[10:17] <TigerDuck> Q: I read about the maintenance release of dapper drake 6.06.1 on heise.de and now I am wondering if I am supposed to do any updating or if the update manager is already keeping my dapper up-2-date. Any suggestions?
[10:17] <fyrestrtr> cmatheson: what extension does it have?
[10:18] <IAskew> A. Yes
[10:18] <cmatheson> fyrestrtr: xls
[10:18] <erUSUL> aarohi: coment out all inet repos and left only the cd as source
[10:18] <linxeh> fyrestrtr: can you recommend a kernel package to install for an amd64 processor on 32bit ubuntu?
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> TigerDuck: its already upto date.
[10:18] <jujaga> hello
[10:18] <Flannel> TigerDuck: 6.06.1 is really just an update to the ISO
[10:18] <spc> Tonren: I think someone was asking that last week on here, when I saw it.  That, or the forums.  Someone's girlfriend wanted to look through photos.  I wish I could remember the answer.  :(  have you tried google?
[10:18] <Ayavaron> @linxeh
[10:18] <Ayavaron> I know it's great. I just can't do much with it without paying for new software and the school can't afford it.
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> linxeh: sorry, I am not familiar with 64 bit :(
[10:18] <linxeh> fyrestrtr: ok, no worries :)
[10:18] <jujaga> i need some help on ubuntu
[10:18] <aarohi> erUSUL: when i do that, there IS no kubuntu-desktop package displayed in synaptic for me to install....
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> linxeh: check the forums though.
[10:18] <TigerDuck> fyrestrtr, Flannel: Thanks, makes me feel a lot more comfortable
[10:18] <ardchoille> aarohi: If you install it from the cd, it's just going to be updated from the internet next time you do an update anyway
[10:19] <Phantom784> fyrestrtr: it tells me that xsession-xorg is not installed.  i'm on kubuntu, so maybe that makes a difference somehow.
[10:19] <spc> fyrestrtr: is that exactly "create database wordpress; grant all on wordpress.* to wp@localhost identified by 'somepass'; -- " (except for changing somepass to the password I want)?
[10:19] <linxeh> Ayavaron: I don't see why you cant run everything you want on osx though; darwinports is pretty good, as is fink, and OSX comes with an X server. you can even run gnome / kde on it
[10:19] <Tonren> spc: Yeah, nothing's come up yet
[10:19] <knoppix> Hey guys, how can I resize a ext3 partition using qtparted on the knoppix live cd??
[10:19] <linxeh> fyrestrtr: yeah, I've been trawling, thats why I came here
[10:19] <fyrestrtr> spc: yes, exactly.
[10:19] <aarohi> ardchoille: so there's no way this can be done without the internet being involved?
[10:19] <fyrestrtr> Phantom784: for which line?
[10:19] <Ayavaron> Will Darwinports allow me to run OpenOffice in a way that doesn't take forever to load up and use normal styled Mac key-commands?
[10:20] <jujaga> how do i install a program on ubuntu?
[10:20] <erUSUL> aarohi: then the package does not come in the cd... i've never tried what you want... why not install kubuntu from scracht
[10:20] <Tonren> jujaga: Applications -> Add/Remove Programs
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> Ayavaron: there is a version of OO for mac.
[10:20] <Ayavaron> There are already Mac versions. It's just that they are ugly Windows-styled porgrams that don't fit in nicely with OS X.
[10:20] <linxeh> Ayavaron: no, openoffice takes forever to start up on every platform, especially on a livecd
[10:20] <ripper> that or apt-get or synaptic or automatix
[10:20] <ripper> or from source
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> Ayavaron: if they are intel macs, you can dual boot :)
[10:20] <jujaga> i have a tar.gz file
[10:20] <Ayavaron> I know there is. It just doesn't work nicely.
[10:20] <bburns_> Can anyone even read what I'm typing? lmao
[10:20] <aarohi> erUSUL: are you saying ubuntu and kubuntu cannot run simultaneously?
[10:20] <Flannel> aarohi: if you disable your internet repositories, they won't be checked ;)  Just comment them out of your source list.  Although... I can't guarentee it'll work completely nicely.  It should, I think
[10:20] <ardchoille> aarohi: Having the internet involved would get you the most up-to-date packages, which I would think would be a good thing.
[10:20] <linxeh> Ayavaron: plus the fact, Linux on a live cd isnt going to give you standard mac key commands either
[10:20] <ripper> jujaga, do this
[10:20] <Ayavaron> I am aware of that. They're not intel Macs.
[10:20] <Phantom784> fyrestrtr: what do you mean which line?  i only typed one command on the command line; the one you gave me
[10:20] <ubuntulive> Hi everybody. I'm trying to set up Ubuntu 6.06 on an Intel iMac.
[10:20] <ripper> jujaga, do this tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz
[10:21] <bina> I'm trying to configure kqemu module to be loaded when I boot linux.  It says to put the line "/sbin/modprobe kqemu major=0" in a file called /etc/rc.d/rc.local,  but I can only find dirs rc0-6 (putting in 5). can I just make a text file called rc.local in there with that one line of text?
[10:21] <Ayavaron> Yes, but it will fit in with the rest of the OS and won't seem so weird.
[10:21] <ripper> then cd to that dir
[10:21] <aarohi> okay ardchoille will do.. thank you'z
[10:21] <ubuntulive> I'm having some difficulties with the partitioner.
[10:21] <ripper> then do ./configure
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> Phantom784: was it sudo dpk-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[10:21] <ubuntulive> Perhaps someone could help me out?
[10:21] <ripper> then do ./make
[10:21] <aarohi> thank you Flannel
[10:21] <erUSUL> aarohi: no i'm saying that you can not install kubuntu-desktop from the kubuntu alternate cd
[10:21] <jujaga> ok
[10:21] <ripper> then do ./make install
[10:21] <jujaga> the only problem is
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> Phantom784: gah, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[10:21] <linxeh> Ayavaron:  what has the fact they aren't intel got to do with it? openoffice is slow starting even on a dual core
[10:21] <Flannel> erUSUL: why wouldn't he?
[10:21] <chris12349> I need to setup a file server using ubuntu LTS,  It would have 4 1.2 TB external USB drives attached to it.  Anyone see any issue? I concerned about losing connection w/ the USB drives
[10:21] <aarohi> i see erUSUL
[10:21] <jujaga> it keeps saying to use a super user?
[10:21] <ubuntulive> I need to apparently clean out the Fat32 drive I use for Windows XP, which I don't want to lose, but how do I do that?
[10:21] <Ayavaron> It's ugly and jarring to run something from X11 inside Mac OSX and the people on the Yearbook team aren't very computer-literate.
[10:21] <ripper> yeah do sudo :P
[10:21] <Ayavaron> Someone asked me if they were Intel Macs.
[10:21] <aarohi> erUSUL: have you tried instaling the kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu though? does it work?
[10:21] <Phantom784> fyrestartr: yes, thats the line i typed
[10:21] <linxeh> ah soz :)
[10:21] <eugman> I have a list of packages. How can i see how much space they take up combined?
[10:21] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 51: gawk: command not found
[10:21] <bigmarCus> Kernel: 2.6.15-26-386 Hostname: ubuntu/usr/bin/ircinfo: line 94: gawk: command not found
[10:21] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 94: let: uph=/3600: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "/3600")
[10:21] <bigmarCus>  Uptime:  h/usr/bin/ircinfo: line 71: gawk: command not found
[10:21] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 72: gawk: command not found
[10:21] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 71: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <Flannel> aarohi: yeah, you can have both on the same machine
[10:22] <bigmarCus>   Codename: /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 87: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 87: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 87: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <sprink> where is apt-setup?
[10:22] <bigmarCus>  CPU: Cache: Bogomips:/usr/bin/ircinfo: line 123: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <eugman> !paste
[10:22] <azureal> what's the difference between hoary and breezy, and how do i know what i'm using?
[10:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:22] <bigmarCus> grep: write error: Broken pipe
[10:22] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 124: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <fyrestrtr> wth
[10:22] <bigmarCus>  Swap: - kB/usr/bin/ircinfo: line 133: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <acojlo> i have break in usplash procedure just before gdm. There is some text console display
[10:22] <fyrestrtr> !ops
[10:22] <ubotu> Help! lilo, Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[10:22] <bigmarCus> grep: write error: Broken pipe
[10:22] <linxeh> Ayavaron: well, without buying iWork or MSOffice you don't have much choice, other than the awful osx ports of openoffice
[10:22] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 134: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <azureal> also, i think i want hoary..
[10:22] <eugman> ubote tell bigmar Cus about paste
[10:22] <bigmarCus> /usr/bin/ircinfo: line 136: let: a=/1024: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "/1024")
[10:22] <aarohi> Flannel: okay, thank you. i will try and install from the internet
[10:22] <bigmarCus>  RAM:  Mb/usr/bin/ircinfo: line 174: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <bigmarCus>  Graka: X.Org version: 7.0.0 Treiber:fglrx/usr/bin/ircinfo: line 116: gawk: command not found
[10:22] <erUSUL> aarohi: no, but people do it around here without much problems
[10:22] <bigmarCus> grep: write error: Broken pipe
[10:22] <sprink> what does ubuntu use to add new repos?
[10:22] <Flannel> azureal: why do you want hoary?
[10:22] <imbrandon_> ?
[10:22] <aarohi> erUSUL: i'm going to do it. thank you for your help
[10:22] <aarohi> :)
[10:22] <ardchoille> aarohi: I have installed kubuntu-desktop in Ubuntu, it works fine.. you may noticed extra items in your gnome menus (kde apps) but I normally run kde apps in gnome and vice versa.
[10:22] <Seveas> imbrandon, bigmarcus was flooding crap
[10:22] <sprink> where is apt-setup :(
[10:22] <ubuntulive> Anyone who can help me find the right app/command to fix errors on a fat32 partition?
[10:23] <erUSUL> sprink: synaptic or edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand
[10:23] <zipper> I'm supposed to use the synaptic driver for my touchpad however i think something is wrong. If i disable the touchpad in ksynaptic, nothing happends. No other mice plugged in. How do i configure the driver? Is it somewhere in xorg.conf?
[10:23] <imbrandon_> ahh ;)
[10:23] <Ayavaron> Well that seems to be the case. I'll just have to get everyone to put up with the horrible ports out there.
[10:23] <fyrestrtr> Phantom784: hrmm, it should have worked, I don't know why its giving you that error.
[10:23] <Ayavaron> Thanks for the help anyway.
[10:23] <aarohi> ardchoille: i see
[10:23] <Ayavaron> I appreciate it.
[10:23] <bilss_> hi
[10:23] <linxeh> ubuntulive: fsck.vfat
[10:23] <fyrestrtr> zipper: try the tpconfig program (there are a few for configuring touchpads)
[10:23] <ubuntulive> Er, in the terminal I presume?
[10:23] <azureal> flannel: could you explain the difference first, and how to find out what i'm using?
[10:23] <dm_> I forget,,, how do i install a DEB??
[10:23] <dm_> sudo dpkg -i ?
[10:23] <bburns_> Does anyone have any ideas for my dilema?
[10:23] <Seveas> !deb > dm_
[10:23] <linxeh> ubuntulive: you'll need to give it the partition, and probably the -y or -A flag or something (by default I think it will only tell you errors, not fix them)
[10:23] <zipper> fyrestrtr, i will, thanks
[10:23] <Awesome-o2000> hey guys I must give you devs props - so far I havent run into any bugs! I used to be religious about gentoo for that reason - I loved that you didnt have to deal with random issues but so far this works great
[10:23] <azureal> flannel: hoary appears to have the latest version of fluxbox
[10:23] <linxeh> ubuntulive: yes
[10:24] <ubuntulive> Thanks
[10:24] <dm_> seveas i got it, its been a long time
[10:24] <cmatheson> any ideas how to open an office SpreadSheetML file in open office?
[10:24] <bburns_> Does anyone have any ideas for my dilema?
[10:24] <Awesome-o2000> not trying to bust anyones chops but I couldn't say that about your last releaser
[10:24] <Ayavaron> Thanks for the help everyone.
[10:24] <ubuntulive> Actually, how do I tell it which partition to check?
[10:24] <Flannel> azureal: they're different versions, Hoary is 5.04, meaning it was released April of 05.  Dapper is 6.06 meaning June of 06.
[10:24] <bilss_> fyrestrtr: theres a smaller webserver called thttpd have you herd of it?
[10:24] <bruce89> cmatheson, open OO.o first
[10:24] <bruce89> sorry
[10:24] <spc> ardchoille: aarohi: ubuntu blog had instructions on keeping gnome and kde menus clean from each other's apps, but it was supposed to be done before installing kubuntu-desktop.  I haven't tried it after the fact yet.
[10:24] <fyrestrtr> bilss_: yes, but I haven't used it.
[10:24] <cmatheson> bruce89: well i've gotten that far
[10:24] <Flannel> azureal: Any version hoary has, later versions will have that, or higher.
[10:24] <nUgZ> anyone else having wireless network connecting issues>?
[10:24] <bruce89> no, right click, and Open with other application
[10:24] <cmatheson> bruce89: is there a way to specify what i want to load as though?
[10:25] <spc> bburns_: what's your dilemma?
[10:25] <bburns_> yay
[10:25] <azureal> flannel: ok, so what am i using, and is it ok to download 0.9.15 from here http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/
[10:25] <knoppix> anyone care to help me use ext2resize?
[10:25] <bburns_> I am trying to start up syslog-ng, I have before but now I restarted and it tells me Address already in use (98)
[10:25] <bruce89> and then select OO.o writer
[10:25] <TigerDuck> fyrestrtr, bilss_: Did you ever hear of lighttpd?
[10:25] <ardchoille> spc: Oh? Thank you for that info, I'll check it out :)
[10:25] <bruce89> actually
[10:25] <bruce89> i see what you mean
[10:25] <bburns_> spc, I have tried everything, and I can't get it to start! :X
[10:25] <spc> ardchoille: no problem.
[10:25] <linxeh> fyrestrtr: just FYI it looks like you use the k7 or k7-smp kernel for amd64 on 32bit
[10:25] <Flannel> azureal: you'll be better off using the fluxbox in the repositories.  And, you can find out what you have by typing 'lsb_release -a' in a terminal
[10:25] <fyrestrtr> linxeh: :) cool.
[10:25] <spc> bburns_: can't get what to start?
[10:26] <bburns_> spc, I am trying to start up syslog-ng, I have before but now I restarted and it tells me Address already in use (98)
[10:26] <spc> bburns_: I'll bet you haven't tried everything yet.  ;)
[10:26] <bilss_> TigerDuck: no but i herd that thttpd is pretty secure
[10:26] <ardchoille> spc: I believe adding a line like"Show_in_gnome = false" to the kde .desktop menu files will help keeping kde apps out of gnome menus
[10:26] <bburns_> spc, alright, fire away! :)
[10:26] <ardchoille> I've seen that in some of my .desktop files
[10:27] <bruce89> Open OO.o, and select open.  Select "Microsoft Excel 2003 XML" in the bit where it currently says "All files"
[10:27] <spc> bburns_: I don't know much about that at all, but let me look into it.  Have you already googled and searched the forum?
[10:27] <bburns_> spc, yes
[10:27] <azureal> Flannel, thx for the command, but there's a big difference between 0.9.14 and 0.9.15 right now...
[10:27] <jujaga> how do i make a super user?
[10:27] <bburns_> spc, people have told me its a resource thats on that port, but I dont see anything on it -- and if something was on it, I have killed it and still get the error
[10:27] <TigerDuck> bilss_: I know the head developer of lighttpd (Jan Kneschke aka weigon) and he has quite a reputation in the scene
[10:27] <spc> ardchoille: sounds easy.  I'll give it a look.
[10:27] <Flannel> azureal: is .9.15 not in the repositories?
[10:28] <fyrestrtr> jujaga: add the user to the admin group.
[10:28] <bruce89> cmatheson, Open OO.o, and select open.  Select "Microsoft Excel 2003 XML" in the bit where it currently says "All files"
[10:28] <jujaga> ok
[10:28] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: netstat -l
[10:28] <blade2> trappist: my wireless card works with 6.06. thanks.
[10:28] <Phantom784> fyrestrtr: i took a look a adept, and there is no session called xsession-xorg.  there is xserver-xorg, which is installed.  could i try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, or might that screw up my system
[10:28] <azureal> Flannel, well, which repository do you recommend?  My synaptic shows 0.9.14 as the latest
[10:28] <sprink> are the security repos offline?
[10:28] <trappist> blade2: awesome!
[10:28] <bruce89> Phantom784, no
[10:28] <Seveas> !reposdown > sprink
[10:28] <wormdevil2> mlehrer
[10:28] <crayzee_> Help me! Im trying to install ubuntu and my screen goes blank and doesn't come back
[10:28] <fyrestrtr> Phantom784: that's what I told you to type, twice. sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ??
[10:28] <spc> bburns_: fyrestrtr can probably help you more than me, it sounds like you know as much (or more!) as I do.
[10:28] <rx_> hmm i really need some hints. im running ubuntu 6.06 and ive tons of problem with the sound. in xmms and rythmbox my mp3 sounds weird...theres a little noise.... but they do play fine with totom...but wont play at all with amarok... what should i try?
[10:29] <spc> crayzee: how far into install before it goes blank?  What computer are you running it on?
[10:29] <Phantom784> fyrestrtr: that must be it, my mind is screwed up...
[10:29] <bburns_> spc ok thanks
[10:29] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, can you please help me?
[10:29] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: I can try, what's troubling you, my son?
[10:29] <Jack_Sparrow> HAs anyone here tried the gambas programming tool
[10:29] <azureal> !hoary > azureal
[10:30] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, I am trying to start up syslog-ng, I have before but now I restarted and it tells me Address already in use (98)
[10:30] <nUgZ> ......
[10:30] <nUgZ> .....
[10:30] <nUgZ> ...
[10:30] <Flannel> azureal: it'd be in universe.  And, that may be the case.  Yeah, it was released in april, it wouldn't have gotten into dapper.  So, yeah, you'll have to compile it yourself, looks like.  Although, it should be in edgy, so when you upgrade you can get a package for it instead
[10:30] <spc> fyrestrtr: lol
[10:30] <Phantom784> fyrestrtr: the correct command worked perfectly
[10:30] <cmatheson> bruce89: i get the error: 'XML document not well formed!'  maybe it's just a bad document for open office?
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: find out what is listening on it, type netstat -l
[10:30] <Flannel> azureal: actually,
[10:30] <bruce89> possibly
[10:30] <Jack_Sparrow> fyrestrtr: I thought you were looking a little punchy
[10:30] <IAskew> said like someone who has never run gentoo fyrestrtr
[10:30] <azureal> Flannel, "edgy" ?
[10:30] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, i have done that and did it again, and nothing is listening on it
[10:31] <fyrestrtr> IAskew: I ran gentoo for 3 years, it was a sarcastic comment :)
[10:31] <wormdevil2> someone was helping me earlier?
[10:31] <Flannel> azureal: you don't need to compile by source, fluxbox offers a deb on their page, you can install that.  Edgy is the next version, slated to be released in october. (6.10)
[10:31] <alakriti> anyone aware of a problem with the hda-intel drivers? when i first installed the system sound worked flawlessly, after updating sound doesnt work. always says cannot connect to sound server. i have tried reinstalling all the hda-intel drivers as well
[10:31] <gnomefreak> Flannel: its not hit edgy yet
[10:31] <IAskew> it didnt work
[10:31] <nUgZ> somone wanna assist me on reinstalling my kernal and getting my wireless card to work?
[10:31] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: how are you starting it?
[10:31] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, syslog-ng -f /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf
[10:31] <IAskew> ive been running linux since 97 fyrestrtr u wanna dick contest?
[10:31] <azureal> Flannel, ah, so you'd recommend the package on the link i wrote here then?
[10:32] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: sudo /etc/init.d/syslog-ng restart
[10:32] <nUgZ> Anyone?
[10:32] <crayzee_> HELP! Installation problems!
[10:32] <Flannel> azureal: er, did you write a link?  but yeah, I'd grab the deb from their site, and that should work fine
[10:32] <gnomefreak> IAskew: dont do that you smart comments are unneeded and watch your lanuage
[10:32] <jujaga> can anyone help me personally/ one on one?
[10:32] <fyrestrtr> IAskew: your point is what?
[10:32] <nUgZ> anyone know how to reinstall the linux kernel?
[10:32] <Jack_Sparrow> IAskew: No contest, you win, your the biggest dick
[10:32] <azureal> Flannel, http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/  I'm going to install the one unde 'Ubuntu Hoary'
[10:32] <azureal> under*
[10:33] <nUgZ> forthe lateset ubuntu
[10:33] <nUgZ> ????
[10:33] <fyrestrtr> nUgZ: are you running dapper?
[10:33] <wormdevil2> can someone help me
[10:33] <bburns_> Fyrestrtr, didnt start it, but no error message was outputted
[10:33] <jujaga> i am using ubuntu in vmware workstation 5.5.1 and i am trying to install vmware tools, but i can't install it because i'm not a "super user"; although i am on the admin user. Any advice?
[10:33] <nUgZ> fyrestrtr: yes
[10:34] <fyrestrtr> nUgZ: you are already on the latest kernel then.
[10:34] <gerhard> good evening
[10:34] <fyrestrtr> jujaga: sudo [the command]
[10:34] <gerhard> how do i get wine?
[10:34] <gnomefreak> !wine
[10:34] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:34] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, didnt start it, but no error message was outputted
[10:34] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: sudo /etc/init.d/syslog-ng stop
[10:34] <jujaga> i'm also new with linux...
[10:34] <nUgZ> fyrestrtr: im having an issue with it and my network card, according to gr33npho3nix
[10:35] <azureal> Flannel: alright, so i'm going to do what I said above; thx for your help
[10:35] <Flannel> azureal: ah, THATS where you got the hoary.  Actually, you might need to use the Sarge one.  Hoary was a while ago, there have been compiler changes since then.   Bother.  You should ask fluxbox to package for modern stuff too ;)
[10:35] <gerhard> thx
[10:35] <spc> wormdevil2: help you with what?
[10:35] <wormdevil2> installing ubuntu
[10:35] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, is it suppose to say stopped or something?
[10:35] <wormdevil2> can I pm you?
[10:35] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: depends on the init script, hold a sec.
[10:35] <wormdevil2> I have eyesight problems
[10:35] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, ok
[10:35] <bilss_> TigerDuck: looks ok is there a howto for dapper
[10:35] <purplebody> hello everyone.  I'm trying to setup an ssh server on ubuntu.  When I try to connect to it with putty, all I get is version information about the server, then I get disconnected
[10:35] <wormdevil2> i cant see thru all th emessages
[10:35] <spc> wormdevil2: are you on that pc now?  What specifically do you need help with on the install?
[10:35] <Jack_Sparrow> gnomefreak: np I deserved that..
[10:35] <purplebody> does anyone know what is happening?
[10:35] <jujaga> what is sudo?
[10:36] <eugman> eugene@ubuntu:~$ extract_compressed_fs mnt/casper/filesystem.cloop > extracted_f s
[10:36] <eugman> Opening compressed file
[10:36] <eugman> : No such file or director
[10:36] <eugman> Can someone help me? This step of the making a live cd part isn't working.
[10:36] <Flannel> !tell jujaga about sudo
[10:36] <spc> wormdevil2: if you're asking me, yes.
[10:36] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: yes, it should say Stopping system logging: syslog-ng then Starting system logging: syslog-ng
[10:36] <acojlo> is there fine gui dialer for a gprs connection?
[10:36] <Jack_Sparrow> eugman: What are you trying to do?
[10:36] <eugman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[10:37] <unfun> Why do I get disconnected once in a while? Before I reformated my ubuntu I never got disconnected.
[10:38] <Jack_Sparrow> What are you trying to add or make custom?
[10:38] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: ??? did you install it from repos?
[10:38] <ardchoille> For anyone who wants to keep KDE icons out of the gnome menus, add this line to the .desktop files of kde menu items: OnlyShowIn=KDE . You can do likewise for gnome menu items to be kept out of KDE menus: OnlyShowIn=GNOME
[10:38] <salah> how do I check how big a directory is via console?
[10:38] <nUgZ> Anyone want to help me on my network problem
[10:38] <Jack_Sparrow> nUgZ: what card.?
[10:38] <fyrestrtr> salah: du -h --max-depth=1 /path/to/dir
[10:38] <eugman> I want to make a cli live cd with gtypist and typespeed so I can turn a junker I having into a typing tutor.
[10:38] <PingunZ> whats the command for the add/remove ?
[10:38] <TigerDuck> !sound
[10:38] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:39] <trappist> PingunZ: add/remove what?
[10:39] <eugman> salah, ls -l might do the trick
[10:39] <trappist> salah: du -sh dirname
[10:39] <trappist> salah: or just du for raw data
[10:40] <gerhard> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt breezy main this source doesnt work for me
[10:40] <Jack_Sparrow> eugman: may I pm you?
[10:40] <bilss_> TigerDuck: is there a howto for dapper?
[10:40] <gerhard> what is wrong with that
[10:40] <eugman> Sure
[10:40] <salah> thanks all, du -h --max-depth=1 /directory/ worked
[10:40] <PingunZ> just the add/remove --> the simple synaptic
[10:40] <lhds> someone wrote a script that starts with #!/bin/sh where to place it so it can take effect?
[10:40] <trappist> gerhard: it's probably correct, but it probably no longer exists since breezy is no longer supported
[10:40] <fyrestrtr> gerhard: are you on breezy or dapper?
[10:40] <eugman> Jack_Sparrow, sure
[10:40] <Baltazar^2> !samba
[10:40] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:40] <knoppix> Can someone give me some assistance in resizing my ext3 partition?
[10:40] <gerhard> breezy
[10:41] <fyrestrtr> gerhard: upgrade?
[10:41] <gerhard> i wait for the cds
[10:41] <scrappy_> knoppix: i suspect youre no using ubuntu :)
[10:41] <gerhard> but that may be long
[10:41] <fyrestrtr> gerhard: if you have a fast connection, you can upgrade from the net.
[10:41] <gerhard> how?
[10:41] <Backeman> Hi! How should I do to make the dhcp3-server, a script with IPTABLES-rules, set ip and dhclient another iface at boot?
[10:41] <knoppix> scrappy_ I am, ultimately, but right now im on a knoppix live disk
[10:41] <fyrestrtr> !upgrade > gerhard
[10:41] <trappist> gerhard: are you running amd64?
[10:41] <gerhard> yes
[10:41] <fyrestrtr> Backeman: use shorewall
[10:42] <Backeman> fyrestrtr: googling, thanks
[10:42] <knoppix> scrappy_ I had to boot to this, because gparted doesn't allow the resizing of an active partition
[10:42] <knoppix> scrappy_ if I read correctly
[10:42] <Flannel> gerhard: that breezy repository still works... or, should.
[10:42] <erUSUL> lhds: /usr/local/bin/ is a good place
[10:42] <unfun> !disconnect
[10:42] <ubotu> I know nothing about disconnect - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:42] <Dominion> Discworld: Rincewind had been told that death was just like going into another room. The difference is, when you shout, 'Where's my clean socks?', no-one answers. -- (Terry Pratchett, Eric)
[10:42] <PingunZ> whats the command for add/remove ? just the add/remove --> the simple synaptic
[10:42] <Flannel> trappist, gerhard, breezy is still supported, by the way.
[10:42] <gerhard> mh, he said it didnt
[10:42] <nUgZ> Anyone know how to reinstall the lateset kernel?
[10:42] <trappist> Flannel: yeah I checked that out
[10:42] <fyrestrtr> Dominion: ???
[10:43] <trappist> gerhard: you can't install wine on amd64, so there's no amd64 repo on that site
[10:43] <Backeman> fyrestrtr: well, thats not what I'm after. I want to know how I can make things start at boot. Im rather satisfied with the firewall I've got
[10:43] <fyrestrtr> nUgZ: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-kernel
[10:43] <lhds> there is this sound script i want to load : #!/bin/sh sox -c 2 -s -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp -w -r 32000 /dev/dsp & tvtime --mixer=/dev/mixer:pcm wait tvtime t=`pidof sox`kill $t; amixer -c 0 sset PCM 80%,80%  unmute |||||| where do i have to put this?
[10:43] <fyrestrtr> Backeman: use 'bum' or update-rc.d
[10:43] <Dominion> (sorry, clicked the wrong button)
[10:43] <scrappy_> knoppix: ive never used qtparted included in knoppix to resize sorry
[10:43] <nUgZ> fyrestrtr:k thanks
[10:43] <cry0gen> edgy is nice
[10:43] <cry0gen> :D
[10:43] <cry0gen> with xgl
[10:44] <cry0gen> *pets*
[10:44] <erUSUL> !enter
[10:44] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[10:44] <purplebody> Does anyone here know anything about setting up an ssh server?  I can install the package, and even ssh in from the local machine, but when I try to ssh in from my windows machine it just displays ssh-d version information then disconnects.
[10:44] <gerhard> ok I update
[10:44] <gerhard> errr upgrade
[10:44] <frying_fish> trappist: not for very long, I think AMD64 capability with WINE is upcoming shortly
[10:44] <fyrestrtr> !boot > Backeman
[10:44] <cry0gen> frying_fish: yes, it deffinetly is, the 64bit registers are supposedly coming along :D
[10:44] <scrappy_> purplebody: ssh ipaddress -l ubuntuusername
[10:44] <trappist> gerhard: you still won't be able to install wine, but upgrading is definitely recommended.
[10:44] <gerhard> great...
[10:45] <Backeman> fyrestrtr: thanks!
[10:45] <gerhard> ok I upgrade tomorrow, Im too tired now
[10:45] <gerhard> goodbye and thanks
[10:45] <trappist> gerhard: you can either switch to 32bit ubuntu or install a 32bit chroot on your amd64 system to install wine
[10:45] <fyrestrtr> gerhard: let it update overnight.
[10:45] <gerhard> my bed is next to the pc
[10:45] <gerhard> would be too loud
[10:45] <fyrestrtr> lol okay
[10:45] <gerhard> damn 64 bit
[10:45] <fyrestrtr> damn fans ;)
[10:45] <gerhard> what is that good for
[10:45] <scrappy_> purplebody: youre using putty probably though right? on same router? its a 192 address?
[10:45] <Ych> back
[10:45] <gerhard> yes^^
[10:46] <Ych> www.silentpcreview.com
[10:46] <gerhard> ok i go, cu
[10:46] <Ych> for anyone who complains about fans
[10:46] <purplebody> scrappy_ yes
[10:47] <fyrestrtr> does anyone have the current Pacific time?
[10:47] <Flannel> fyrestrtr: 13:47
[10:47] <scrappy_> purplebody: all i have to do is install openssh-server and then ssh in using my userid..
[10:47] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, okay. Is that daylight or normal?
[10:48] <Boj> Whats the simplist way to find out the command for starting an application e.g Bittorrent?
[10:48] <Flannel> fyrestrtr: daylight, standard would be 12:48
[10:48] <scrappy_> purplebody: your using a firewall with ubuntu maybe?
[10:48] <fyrestrtr> Flannel: its 'spring forward' and 'fall back' right? for dst?
[10:48] <Flannel> Boj: type a few letters for what you think it might be, then hit tab (or hit tab twice, to see a list)
[10:48] <purplebody> scrappy: I don't think I have a firewall up.  I did a server install from the alternate cd.
[10:48] <Flannel> fyrestrtr: right, we fall back in a few months
[10:49] <fyrestrtr> okay cheers.
[10:49] <Jack_Sparrow> !firewall
[10:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[10:49] <trappist> a firewall wouldn't cause that
[10:49] <trappist> purplebody: after trying to connect, tail /var/log/auth.log
[10:50] <azureal> Flannel: oh, er.. i already installed Hoary
[10:50] <scrappy_> purplebody: maybe sudo iptables -L    to check you should have inbound outbound and forward all with accept
[10:50] <Baltazar^2> need advice using samba - anyone
[10:50] <trappist> scrappy_: he wouldn't get an ssh banner if there was a firewall in the way
[10:50] <devo> i'm using breezy and am having a heck of a time getting my external modem to go silent.  i've tried what was in the howto with no luck.  have also toggled the gui items in the modem monitor and network settings.  no luck.  any suggestions?
[10:50] <Baltazar^2> devo: use 10lb or 10kg hammer :)
[10:50] <devo> there's that.  :)
[10:51] <ucordes> my sound suddenly stopped working after i configured ekiga. no sound at all. in multimedia settings it is set to ALSA, when i test it i get an error. how can i restore my sound settings to complete defaults?
[10:51] <spc> I installed easyUbuntu, haven't done automatix yet.  On the Apple site, the quicktime videos don't show up (using firefox on ubuntu).   is easyubuntu supposed to have fixed that?
[10:51] <Jack_Sparrow> !easyubuntu
[10:51] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[10:51] <Lattyware> Hey. Anyone know (when using nVidia's drivers to achive dual screens) how to stop full screen aps from spanning both moniters in a dual screen setup?
[10:52] <Ych> they don't in mine....
[10:52] <Flannel> azureal: does it work? ;)  if it works, then youre set
[10:52] <azureal> Flannel: what was that "<3lettersomething>_release -a" command again?
[10:52] <qwerty2k> hey can anyone help me with an error message i get with anjuta? it says AM_GNU_GETTEXT in 'configure.in' but 'po' not in subdir then the same enxt line but instead it says but 'intl' not in SUBDIR
[10:53] <Blissex> Lattyware: sure, some people do know :-).
[10:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Ych: you using twinview?
[10:53] <Ych> i take it you have
[10:53] <devo> does anyone know where the startup scripts for ppp are at in breezy?
[10:53] <azureal> Flannel: it works, i guess
[10:53] <Ych> ummm
[10:53] <Ych> yeah
[10:53] <Ych>     Option "TwinView"
[10:53] <Ych> thats right
[10:53] <purplebody> trappist: is there something I should be looking for?  I have to disconnect to test it out
[10:53] <Lattyware> Would you tell me then :P
[10:53] <Backeman> what is the command for installing a .deb-file that I have locally?
[10:53] <mjr> Backeman, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[10:53] <Backeman> mjr: thanks
[10:53] <Ych> are you using twinview?
[10:54] <Top_GEAR> Lattyware: You need two screen sections in xorg.conf
[10:54] <trappist> purplebody: it would hopefully be obvious, but there's a million things it could be.  just one example, you might be trying to connect with ssh v1 protocol and you're only accepting v2.
[10:54] <ch> I've just install a DVD writer on my PC. It's connected as a slave on the 2nd IDE bus. Unfortunately, I don't have a /dev/hdd file. How can I create one?
[10:54] <spc> fyrestrtr: mysql database created, thanks!  someday I'll know what all those options meant....
[10:54] <Lattyware> Top_GEAR: Could you explain in more detail?
[10:55] <purplebody> trappist: the iptables -L looks okay
[10:55] <devo> spc, good luck.  :)
[10:55] <Jack_Sparrow> Lattyware:  gksudo gedit  /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[10:55] <fyrestrtr> spc: to make your life easier, install mysql-administrator and mysql-query-browser -- they are very point-and-click ways to administer mysql (better than phpmyadmin, imo)
[10:55] <trappist> purplebody: yeah if it was a firewall issue you wouldn't be getting an ssh banner.  it's just timeout.
[10:55] <erUSUL> ch: if you cannect it right it should be ther (the dev file) check the master/slave status of the drive and the conections. check if your bios recognice the drive.
[10:55] <spc> fyrestrtr: exactly what I'm looking for.  Thanks!
[10:55] <ucordes> anybody?
[10:55] <ucordes> ...
[10:56] <Top_GEAR> Yes, you have a "Device" Section. Duplicate it and add "Screen 0" to the first und "Screen 1" to the other
[10:56] <purplebody> trappist: ok, thanks.  I'll try that out and be back.
[10:56] <purplebody> scrappy_: thanks for the input.
[10:56] <ch> erUSUL, Ok. Can I check if the bios recognise it without rebooting?
[10:56] <trappist> purplebody: if you need to see more, tail -n100
[10:56] <terrilsj> i just broke my graphics on my laptop, is there a simple command to make my next boot go to a default resolution?
[10:56] <scrappy_> purplebody: heh good luck
[10:56] <trappist> purplebody: as in, tail -n100 /var/log/auth.log
[10:56] <erUSUL> ucordes: try 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav'
[10:57] <erUSUL> ch: no :(
[10:57] <Top_GEAR> Duplicate the "Screen" section too  and configure the second e.g. for tv-out or 2nd dvi out
[10:57] <Top_GEAR> Then add a ServerLayout section with Screen 1 rightOf Screen 0
[10:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Top_GEAR: nice work..
[10:57] <bburns_> fyrestrtr are you there?
[10:57] <erUSUL> !fixres > terrilsj
[10:58] <fyrestrtr> sure
[10:58] <terrilsj> thx i'll try that
[10:58] <ucordes> erUSL: doesnt work
[10:58] <ucordes> erUSUL: doesnt work
[10:58] <erUSUL> ucordes: post the erro msg in a pastebin
[10:58] <derrickh> hello everyone, im trying to install xgl but the installation has unmet dependcies libxfont1 and libxomposite1.  i tried upgrading these libraries but it would force me to uninstall various programs.  is there a way to get around this?
[10:58] <Top_GEAR> @Lattyware: I can post my xorg.conf, you can use it as a start
[10:58] <terrilsj> where 'terrilsj' is my login?
[10:58] <Lattyware> ok, thanks.
[10:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Lattyware: Just be sure to have a backup...
[10:59] <erUSUL> derrickh: #ubuntu-xgl
[10:59] <Lattyware> I have an Xorg.conf, I was using the nvidia drivers rather than that method though
[10:59] <derrickh> thanks, erUSUL
[10:59] <erUSUL> derrickh: no problem
[10:59] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: any luck?
[11:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Lattyware: the difference... Top_GEAR has his working
[11:00] <TigerDuck> hmm, what's wrong when my "System --> Preferences" does not have an entry "Multimedia System Selector"?
[11:00] <ucordes> erUSUL: it's not much.. only this time. vlc gave me this: "[00000310]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)"
[11:00] <Top_GEAR> I use the closed source nvidia driver too
[11:00] <Lattyware> Mine works, it's just full screen stuff spans accross both moniters
[11:00] <terrilsj> "!fixres > terrilsj " gives me error- 'event not found'
[11:00] <erUSUL> TigerDuck: use gstreamer-properties from command line
[11:00] <Top_GEAR> But not with twinview. Xorg has it's own dual screen technics
[11:00] <Jack_Sparrow> TigerDuck: I dont have one either
[11:01] <Lattyware> ok
[11:01] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, what did you say before i asked if you were here, i was called out for something and missed it, sry :X
[11:01] <Elive_user94> yo
[11:01] <nemik> hello, what is the best/easiest way to set up an ubuntu-to-ubuntu graphical remote desktop thing?
[11:01] <erUSUL> ucordes: what gives 'ls -al /dev/snd/' ??
[11:01] <Elive_user94> anyone got Matrox Parhelia video card?
[11:01] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: I said, this isn't fyrestrtr -- but his strangly similar looking human android replacement.
[11:02] <Elive_user94> I'm a musician I need two displays and Matrox adapters are the best.
[11:02] <TigerDuck> Jack_Sparrow: Looks like Ubuntu has some trouble with my onboard VIA sound chip
[11:02] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, ....
[11:02] <Ych> basically an away message?
[11:02] <acojlo> good gnome gui dialer with multiple accounts?
[11:02] <Lattyware> should I remove the stuff I added previously with Twinview?
[11:02] <Ych> a smart one
[11:02] <linux_user400354> how can i mount a hard drive as read only?
[11:02] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, so you cant help me? :(
[11:02] <Jack_Sparrow> linux_user400354:  what format is that drive
[11:02] <fyrestrtr> linux_user400354: mount -t auto -o ro /dev/foo /some/where
[11:02] <linux_user400354> ext3
[11:02] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: ask a question
[11:03] <Elive_user94> linuxuser400354: check your /etc/fstab... check the options. you need to have "ro" options.
[11:03] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, I am trying to start up syslog-ng, I have before but now I restarted and it tells me Address already in use (98)
[11:03] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: restart the machine.
[11:03] <eugman> Can anyone who has reconstructor livecd maker tell me how to remove programs with it?
[11:03] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, are you sure this will work?
[11:03] <Pirate-King> hello
[11:03] <Jack_Sparrow> eugman: that is not public yet
[11:04] <Jack_Sparrow> eugman: you will NOT find anyone
[11:04] <weakwire> can anyone tell my a good program for ubuntu to create a forum ?
[11:04] <Elive_user94> Anyone tried "racer"? The free car simulator? You can find it at http://racer.nl
[11:04] <Top_GEAR> nemik: krfb from kde is the simplest way
[11:04] <eugman> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
[11:04] <Pirate-King> if I install ubunt on a pc with windows will it make it's own partition?
[11:04] <fyrestrtr> bburns_: sure.
[11:04] <Elive_user94> It doesn't work with my computer because I've got Matrox gfx card.
[11:04] <eugman> That made me think that wasn't the case.
[11:04] <fyrestrtr> Pirate-King: yes
[11:04] <bburns_> fyrestrtr, okay, brb
[11:04] <Elive_user94> But it should work with Nvidia cards out of the box.
[11:04] <Pirate-King> ok
[11:04] <nemik> top_GEAR: how about gnome since both computers are gnome ones?
[11:04] <Pirate-King> and I can select size?
[11:05] <nUgZ> anyone want to help me with an issue with me linksys wireless network card?
[11:05] <Elive_user94> nUgZ: yeah, sure wanna help, but I don't know wireless stuff.
[11:05] <ucordes> erUSUL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20320
[11:05] <weakwire> anyone?also if possible free
[11:05] <TigerDuck> I am off again ... thanks for the advise
[11:05] <TigerDuck> *wave*
[11:06] <Top_GEAR> nemik: rfb, it doesn't depend on gnome
[11:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Pirate-King: You can manually set it up or just let it use all unallocated space
[11:06] <nUgZ> Elive_user94: probably wont get mich then, i know alot about it and cant getit to work
[11:06] <chopper_> Hi all, ive just installed xgl and compiz and all went fine but when i try and boot into xgl it shows me a brown screen for 15 seconds then boots me back to login?? but when i login normally into gnome all the effects are there working fine?
[11:06] <Pirate-King> ok
[11:06] <Top_GEAR> nemik: it's a simple vnc server / client
[11:06] <nemik> top_gear: thanks a lot, i'll be looking into this!
[11:06] <Lattyware> Top_GEAR: a) should I remove the Twinview sections I added? b) Should I not copy the Moniter section? c) Screen 1 rightOf Screen 0 <- do I put that after 'Screen' instead of 'screen0'?
[11:06] <Pirate-King> you need how much space for ubuntu?
[11:07] <Pirate-King> 10 gigs?
[11:07] <Jack_Sparrow> I really want to remove open-office.. has anyone had luck doing that?
[11:07] <Lattyware> 2gb I think
[11:07] <Ych> can i resize my active ubuntu partition without encountering problems? resize smaller that is
[11:07] <sanmarcos> Ych, sure
[11:07] <weakwire> Jack_Sparrow, sudo apt-get remove open-office don't work?
[11:07] <Ych> how do i best go about doing that?
[11:07] <eugman> Ych, DO NOT DO IT WHILE RUNNING UBUNTU.
[11:07] <jolt> Has anyone gotten the gui RX320 app to make under ubuntu.. I dont see the missing dependancy and its driving me nuts..
[11:07] <sanmarcos> Ych, although you cant do it while running from the partition, just do it from a gparted live cd
[11:07] <scrappy_> Pirate-King: it used to be a little under 2 gigs but for a working system i would do about 5 at least
[11:07] <Ych> yeah wasnt planning on that
[11:07] <Jack_Sparrow> weakwire: had problems doing it the expected ways
[11:07] <Ych> ok thanks
[11:07] <Ych> whats gparted?
[11:08] <Pirate-King> ok thanks scrappy_
[11:08] <chopper_> Gnome partition application
[11:08] <Top_GEAR> Lattyware: Yes, you don't need twinview sections
[11:08] <ciscosurfer> Ych: Gnome Partition Editor
[11:08] <weakwire> gparted
[11:08] <sanmarcos> !gparted
[11:08] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:08] <Jack_Sparrow> weakwire: and no that does not work
[11:09] <weakwire> i never needed to do that.i can't help you.
[11:09] <weakwire> sory
[11:09] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[11:09] <Top_GEAR> Lattyware: You have two Monitor, Device and Screen sections and a ServerLayout section
[11:09] <Ych> so if i boot from the liveCD i can just shrink the partition 10 gb and wind up with 10 gigs of unpartitioned space on my hdd?
[11:10] <Ych> as long as i still have over 10gb of room?
[11:10] <Jack_Sparrow> weakwire: It just seems to hook into the os almost as bad as (dare I say it) a MS program
[11:10] <linux_user400354> Ych, why do you want to do that?
[11:10] <spc> i've found my wordpress stuff (installed through synaptic) in usr/share/wordpress.  but the directions I have say to install from wordpress site and extract so that index.php is in var/www.  help?  :)
[11:10] <ucordes> erUSUL: you checked my pastebin?
[11:10] <Top_GEAR> Section "ServerLayout"
[11:10] <Top_GEAR>     Identifier "Dual"
[11:10] <Top_GEAR>     Screen 0 "Screen 0"
[11:10] <Top_GEAR>     Screen 1 "Screen 1" leftOf "Screen 0"
[11:10] <Top_GEAR>     Option "Xinerama" "off"
[11:10] <Top_GEAR>     InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
[11:10] <Jack_Sparrow> ych yes
[11:10] <Top_GEAR>     InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
[11:10] <Top_GEAR> EndSection
[11:10] <Flannel> Top_GEAR: don't paste here.
[11:11] <linux_user400354> !paste
[11:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:11] <ctkt05> in synaptic how do i activate the "univers mirrors"?
[11:11] <Flannel> !tell ctkt05 about repositories
[11:11] <linux_user400354> ctkt05, Settings>Repositories>Add
[11:11] <Jack_Sparrow> ctk settings repos add
[11:11] <Flannel> ctkt05: that... second link, walks you through it, I beleive.  Might be the first
[11:12] <ctkt05> thanks
[11:12] <HeXiOn> hello, excepting killall, is a way (in X if possible) to see active processes??? (like when pressing ctrl-alt-sup in windows)
[11:12] <Lattyware> Top_GEAR: Thank you very much, I'm going to try it now.
[11:13] <CyDrive> I got a question about wine and croosover office. Can i import say all the dll files from a windows machine i own onto this machine running ubuntu would that allow more programs to work?
[11:13] <HeXiOn> hello, excepting killall, is there a way (in X if possible) to see active processes??? (like when pressing ctrl-alt-sup in windows)
[11:13] <linux_user400354> has anyone tried automatrix for the nvidia drivers? last time i installed the nvidia drivers, i had black lines going across my screen.
[11:13] <Top_GEAR> Lattyware: search Lattyware at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:13] <Elive_user94> any racer fans out there?
[11:13] <Top_GEAR> I have posted my xorg.conf
[11:14] <Jack_Sparrow> automatix is like russian roulette...
[11:14] <ucordes> what can i do when my sound stopps workingsuddenly?
[11:14] <fyrestrtr> HeXiOn: system > administration > system monitor
[11:14] <dxdemetriou> Is there a program for tv-card that there is a choice for air antenna or cable?
[11:14] <linux_user400354> HeXiOn, System>Admin>System Monitor
[11:14] <linux_user400354> HeXiOn, run the command top
[11:14] <HeXiOn> cool
[11:14] <HeXiOn> thank you :)
[11:15] <HeXiOn> and can I bind ctrl-alt-sup to launch system monitor?
[11:15] <linux_user400354> HeXiOn, use automatrix to do that
[11:15] <Ych> linux_user400354, i'd like to have winxp
[11:15] <ciscosurfer> linux_user400354: I have never had any issues arise from using Automatix and letting it download the nvidia drivers
[11:15] <scrappy_> ucordes: take a look at amixer
[11:15] <Ych> and had some trouble partitioning when i was installing ubuntu
[11:15] <bhundven> hey all.  Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:15] <Boj> Does anyone know the command to open Bittorrent?
[11:16] <sanmarcos> HeXiOn, remove the ctrl-alt-del line from /etc/innitab and bind it in gnome keyboard shortcuts
[11:16] <linux_user400354> Ych, you are best using vmware server in ubuntu if you want to have windows xp. thats what i do and it works great. its also much faster to switch to xp than it is to reboot your pc.
[11:16] <sanmarcos> Boj, you need a client apt-cache search bittorrent
[11:16] <Top_GEAR> Boj: type 'sudo apt-get install bittorrent' and 'bittorrent' in your terminal
[11:16] <HeXiOn> sanmarcos, why is ctrl-alt-sup in /etc/innitab? is it binded already to do something?
[11:17] <linux_user400354> he doesnt need to install bittorrent. bittorrent comes with ubuntu
[11:17] <sanmarcos> HeXiOn, reboot the machine
[11:17] <ucordes> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
[11:17] <ucordes>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch cswitch-joined
[11:17] <ucordes>   Capture channels: Mono
[11:17] <ucordes>   Limits: Capture 0 - 55
[11:17] <ucordes>   Mono: Capture 52 [95%]  [on]
[11:17] <ucordes> Simple mixer control 'Auto Gain Control',0
[11:17] <ucordes>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
[11:17] <ucordes>   Playback channels: Mono
[11:17] <ucordes>   Mono: Playback [off]
[11:17] <ucordes> shit
[11:17] <HeXiOn> I press it and my machine doesn't reboot...
[11:17] <sanmarcos> HeXiOn, usually with shutdown -a in debian, which can check /etc/shutdown.allow
[11:17] <sanmarcos> HeXiOn, it does in the console
[11:17] <scrappy_> ucordes: ok if i msg you?
[11:17] <HeXiOn> oh, it's true
[11:17] <sanmarcos> HeXiOn, I believe, if ubuntu does not disable it
[11:17] <ucordes> scrappy_: please
[11:17] <HeXiOn> I've done a couple of times, didn't remember :)
[11:18] <sanmarcos> HeXiOn, it is a security concern anyways
[11:18] <Zyclop> is it possible to transmit sound via ssh?
[11:18] <wormdevil2> lol no
[11:18] <sanmarcos> Zyclop, yes
[11:18] <chopper> Hi i just installed xgl and compiz and everything went fine except when i choose xgl session it shows a brown screen then after 15 seconds boots me back to login. anyone had the same problem?
[11:18] <HeXiOn> sanmarcos, thank you :)
[11:18] <Zyclop> sanmarcos: well, how?
[11:18] <Lattyware> Top_GEAR: Didn't work.
[11:18] <sanmarcos> Zyclop, just create regular shell pipes that send data over ssh
[11:19] <erUSUL> ucordes: i've been away, sorry... the output in pastebin seems ok. you have the dev files associated with sound
[11:19] <linux_user400354> does anyone know how to use p7zip? i tried searching the ubuntu wiki. i did not find anything
[11:20] <Top_GEAR> Lattyware: Perhaps your second output is not a tv out or you need ntsc and not pal tv out
[11:20] <linux_user400354> !p7zip
[11:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about p7zip - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:20] <Boj> I have bittorrent installed. When I did 'bittorrent' in terminal i get command not found/
[11:20] <Flannel> chopper: #ubuntu-xgl
[11:20] <linux_user400354> !7-zip
[11:20] <Zyclop> sanmarcos: I don't understand even half of that. Where can I gather more information?
[11:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about 7-zip - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:20] <Top_GEAR> Lattyware: it's just an example
[11:20] <Daishi> ok i have a bit of a problem here...yesterday i had dapper on my laptop but it was doing some weird 61Hz and wouldnt give me the right screen resolution (even after playing around with xorg.conf and such) so i found out on the wiki that breezy works with it for the screen only now my network connection isnt working
[11:20] <chopper> Flannel: Thanks!
[11:20] <Baltazar^2> I've got samba problems; the transfere speed is very low, like 500 kb/s is there a way to speed this up ?
[11:20] <linux_user400354> !7z
[11:20] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[11:20] <linux_user400354> !7za
[11:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about 7za - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:21] <wormdevil2> !unpack
[11:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about unpack - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:21] <Daishi> i did ifconfig eth0 up and then ran dhclient but it wont config
[11:21] <Daishi> it trys to and fails
[11:21] <Top_GEAR> bye
[11:21] <Daishi> im thinking i may need to try resetting my router but i got two other comps on it and dont really want to /:
[11:21] <Jsl99944704> Does anybody know a Ftp program for ubuntu better than gftp
[11:22] <Daishi> yafc!
[11:22] <Daishi> well its on debian i know that
[11:22] <Baltazar^2> !ftp
[11:22] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[11:22] <Tamale> Jsl99944704: Just use the "connect to server" option in gnome.. it rocks.
[11:22] <scrappy_> Jsl99944704: some people use mc
[11:22] <Jsl99944704> Im in kde right now
[11:22] <linux_user400354> mc is my favorite
[11:22] <Tamale> then konquerer
[11:22] <Jsl99944704> scrappy_, Whats mc
[11:22] <linux_user400354> midnight commander
[11:23] <Daishi> mc is the command i sometimes type by accident when i want to move files
[11:24] <Lattyware> OK, can someone else help. I am using two moniters on a single card, why doesn't this work: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20325
[11:24] <Lattyware> I had them working using the nvidia drivers, but full-screen aps spanned accross both screens
[11:24] <linux_user400354> how can i use p7zip from the command line?
[11:25] <Boj> I have bittorrent installed. When I did 'bittorrent' in terminal i get command not found? Any ideas
[11:25] <wormdevil2> how long does it take to install (unpacking the base system)
[11:25] <erUSUL> Boj: is btdownload or something type bt and hit <TAB>
[11:25] <linux_user400354> Boj, type bt and hit tab a few times
[11:25] <Lattyware> Boj: Might be under bt?
[11:26] <Jack> Ubuntu claims my cd is in use and won't eject... i've closed everything - no joy... any ideas?
[11:26] <regeya> linux_user400354: the command is p7z, I seem to remember they have a -h option
[11:26] <HeXiOn> linux_user400354, thank for your help with ctrl-alt-sup, I didn't say before :)
[11:26] <Boj> btdownloadcurses ?
[11:26] <scrappy_> Jack: paperclip :)
[11:26] <mitch_> Boj, there's a gnome-btdownload
[11:27] <Jack> scrappy_, other than that - linux goes fucking loopy then
[11:27] <Howitzer> Does anybody know how to open a new tab in XChat?
[11:27] <linux_user400354> HeXiOn, YW, are you using automatrix to do that?
[11:27] <HeXiOn> yes :)
[11:27] <Jack> scrappy_, not to mention my cd drive
[11:27] <HeXiOn> linux_user400354, I think I have to reboot cause still doesn't work
[11:27] <jolt> Xchat | New |
[11:27] <regeya> automatix.../me cues the Arnold Rimmer song
[11:27] <Lattyware> Got my problem solved.
[11:28] <Megaqwerty> how do you delete folders with a lock in the upper right hand corner of them?
[11:28] <linux_user400354> regeya, bash: p7z: command not found
[11:28] <linux_user400354> sudo rm filename
[11:28] <Boj> yeah gnome-btdownload is for opening a new torrent. I just want to get the application running at the download progress screen
[11:28] <Megaqwerty> thanks
[11:28] <Howitzer> linux_user400354, you need to install p7zip and use the regular file-roller to open the archive
[11:28] <linux_user400354> MeGaQuArK, sorry, its "sudo rm -r foldername"
[11:28] <scrappy_> Jack: you could umount -f but im not sure its safe
[11:28] <majd> hey
[11:29] <linux_user400354> Howitzer, i want to use p7zip from the command line
[11:29] <majd> i ran glxgears in terminal and i got a very smooth and fast animation
[11:29] <scrappy_> Jack: should be on a cd
[11:29] <Howitzer> try p7zip then
[11:29] <keh7d> !wine
[11:29] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:29] <regeya> majd: so that's a problem, then
[11:29] <majd> then i tried installing my video card's driver following http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide and now i get a very slow and choppy animation
[11:29] <Jack_Sparrow> majd: try glxgears -printfps
[11:29] <regeya> meh
[11:29] <majd> did i just do something very wrong?
[11:29] <Jack> scrappy_, eh? should be on a cd?
[11:29] <Jack> scrappy_, forcing it didnt work
[11:29] <Howitzer> lol Jack_Sparrow i just saw Pirates of the Carrabian 10 minutes ago :D
[11:30] <linux_user400354> Howitzer, do you know how to use p7zip?
[11:30] <Megaqwert1> I got this error message:
[11:30] <Megaqwert1> sudo: rem: command not found
[11:30] <Howitzer> no
[11:30] <Howitzer> but i'm looking for it
[11:30] <majd> 174-187 fps
[11:30] <majd> now it just shot up to 352 fps
[11:30] <Howitzer> regeya, is right it's 7z
[11:30] <linux_user400354> regeya, i have two binaries, 7z and 7za. what's the difference? which one should i use?
[11:30] <scrappy_> Jack: is there a bash sehll or someting still open? other than than not sure
[11:30] <majd> oh wait
[11:30] <Jack_Sparrow> majd: my nvidia pci-e is 6000+
[11:30] <Jack> nope, i closed them
[11:30] <Jack> mount is a retard
[11:31] <majd> when the window is in focus, i get 160 fps, when the terminal is in focus, i get 352 fps
[11:31] <Jack_Sparrow> majd: What card are you using?
[11:31] <majd> i have an ati radeon 9200
[11:31] <Jack_Sparrow> majd: Does not sound like the drivers are working right
[11:31] <Jack_Sparrow> !ati
[11:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:31] <keh7d> anyone had problems with wine not saving drives when they are added? is there a better channel for this?
[11:31] <erUSUL> keh7d: #wine ??
[11:32] <regeya> doop doop doop...dialup in 2006...
[11:32] <scrappy_> jack well i broke down and man umount try umount -l
[11:32] <looksaus> majd, you are using the free software drivers, right?
[11:32] <Jack_Sparrow> keh7d: #winehq
[11:32] <linux_user400354> Jack_Sparrow, you could use automatrix to install the nvidia non-free drivers
[11:32] <Howitzer> no you shouldn't
[11:32] <majd> looksaus, i don't know...when i run fglrxinfo i get OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
[11:32] <Jack_Sparrow> linux_user400354: I would NEVER do automatix to my pc
[11:33] <majd> Jack_Sparrow, "and is equal to or above 9500 "
[11:33] <majd> i have 9200
[11:33] <Howitzer> don't suggest applications of which you don't know 100% what they do
[11:33] <looksaus> majd, you have the luxury that you don't need the fglrx driver
[11:33] <linux_user400354> i never had problems with automatrix
[11:33] <Jsl99944704> Help, In synaptic i cand find MC
[11:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Someone having dialup problems?
[11:33] <looksaus> the 9200 is supposed to be the last card that is well supported by free software drivers
[11:33] <Boj> Does anyone know who the person with the green shirt on the Ubuntu support page is?
[11:33] <linux_user400354> Jsl99944704, enable universe and multiverse repositories, then reload in synaptic and you will find it
[11:33] <linux_user400354> !synaptic
[11:33] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:33] <Megaqwert1> linux_user400345: When I did "sudo rem filename" I got this: "sudo: rem: command not found"
[11:34] <looksaus> majd, sorry if I'm confusing you with this
[11:34] <DanieC> Anybody runs Linux on a Toshiba laptop?
[11:34] <BHSPitMonkey> where can I set how often my Time/Date gets updated over NTP
[11:34] <linux_user400354> MeGaQuArK, `sudo rm -r foldername`
[11:34] <Ubuntu_noob> my dad fdoes
[11:34] <Megaqwert1> oh sorry
[11:34] <Megaqwert1> thanks
[11:34] <Howitzer> just do it yourself, 'sudo apt-get install build-essentials' && wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run && chmod a+x http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run && ./http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run
[11:34] <Howitzer> that's it :o
[11:34] <Howitzer> eek
[11:34] <scrappy_> Jsl99944704: its lower case mc its in universe bear in mind its a terminal app
[11:34] <Howitzer> spam
[11:34] <Ubuntu_noob> links for Ubuntu install guides again?
[11:35] <Jsl99944704> Then i think i have it
[11:35] <sprink> what's the root password?
[11:35] <BHSPitMonkey> Howitzer, I disagree with your command...
[11:35] <Howitzer> Ubuntu_noob, you really don't need a guide to install Ubuntu
[11:35] <Howitzer> oh yeah, latest part is wrong
[11:35] <Howitzer> *last
[11:36] <sprink> how do I set the root password?
[11:36] <linux_user400354> my grandmother can install ubuntu without a guide. i think ubuntu_noob can too
[11:36] <Howitzer> oh yeah, need to switch to init 3 too
[11:36] <Jack_Sparrow> !root
[11:36] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:36] <linux_user400354> sprink, passwd?
[11:36] <Howitzer> sprink, 'sudo passwd root'
[11:36] <Boj> Ubuntu_noob You basically stick the disk in a disk drive and boot from it and follow the onscreen instructions
[11:36] <sprink> I dont want to type dudo every single command that needs root privs
[11:36] <majd> looksaus, ok...umm i need some help retracing my steps
[11:36] <erUSUL> !root > sprink
[11:36] <majd> cause whatever i did i shouldn't have done
[11:36] <BHSPitMonkey> sprink, do you know about "sudo -i" ?
[11:36] <Ubuntu_noob> every time i install it i get a blank screen with an _ in the top left corner and thats all i get after it reconizzes everything
[11:36] <erUSUL> sprink: use sudo -i
[11:37] <Jsl99944704> Is there any ftp like firezilla for Ubuntu?
[11:37] <erUSUL> Jsl99944704: gftp
[11:37] <BHSPitMonkey> Jsl99944704, filezilla?
[11:37] <majd> i was following http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[11:37] <npster> I need the utilities for Abit motherboards especial OC Guru. Where can I get them for Linux ?
[11:37] <majd> so whatever the guide told me to do in the first method, i need to undo
[11:37] <linux_user400354> Jsl99944704, can i message you?
[11:38] <Jsl99944704> linux_user400354, Im not logged in (Lost my Freenode pass)
[11:38] <Jsl99944704> linux_user400354, But you can make the text red.
[11:38] <Howitzer> So nobody knows how to open a new tab in XChat? :(
[11:38] <linux_user400354> Jsl99944704, its too much to put in here
[11:38] <looksaus> majd, you mean you want to try and uninstall this fglrx stuff
[11:38] <looksaus> ?
[11:39] <majd> well...yeah
[11:39] <Jsl99944704> linux_user400354, Ill try makeing a new account
[11:39] <majd> the only thing i know how to do is uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:39] <Jsl99944704> BHSPitMonkey, Filezilla yeah
[11:39] <npster> Where can I get the utilities for Abit motherboards ?
[11:39] <BHSPitMonkey> Howitzer, CTRL+T? duh.
[11:39] <npster> for Linux
[11:39] <looksaus> yes, and you are a bit scared things won't be working afterwards?
[11:39] <majd> right
[11:39] <looksaus> if you want to still have some help afterwards, you could install a command line irc client
[11:40] <BHSPitMonkey> Howitzer, ask application-specific questions in THEIR channels, by the way... there IS a #xchat
[11:40] <majd> looksaus, such as?
[11:40] <looksaus> like... I can't seem to remember, let me check
[11:40] <looksaus> long time since I used it
[11:40] <majd> k
[11:40] <Jman88888> ls
[11:41] <Jman88888> linux_user400354, Ok try messaging me
[11:41] <looksaus> irssi
[11:41] <npster> Where can I download the utilities for Abit guru motherboards for Linux ??? HELP?
[11:41] <looksaus> majd, ^
[11:41] <xored> free for a mix / cod2 or warsow
[11:41] <cowmilk> i can't get flashplugin-nonfree. pls see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20313. what must i do?
[11:41] <Ubuntu_noob> Is there  a plugin to play .mp3 files in ubuntu>
[11:42] <erUSUL> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[11:42] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:42] <Zyclop> is it possible to view pictures on the tty?
[11:42] <erUSUL> cowmilk: have you enabled multiverse??
[11:42] <HeXiOn> anyone here has a logitech mouse with extra-buttons?
[11:42] <cowmilk> erUSUL: yes, i believe so
[11:42] <cowmilk> erUSUL: but how can i make sure?
[11:42] <erUSUL> cowmilk: check it
[11:42] <Ych> I have an ms  mouse with extra buttons...
[11:42] <looksaus> cowmilk, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:42] <cowmilk> erUSUL: how do i check it via terminal?
[11:43] <Ych> !topic
[11:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about topic - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:43] <cowmilk> looksaus: thankn
[11:43] <Ych> whooops
[11:43] <npster> Is 46 C normal for a P4 processor ?
[11:43] <Ych> yes
[11:43] <HeXiOn> Ych, do u have the buttons enabled?
[11:43] <Ych> thats almost cool
[11:43] <looksaus> !mp3
[11:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:43] <Ych> P4s are on fire
[11:43] <Bisen> hi everybody :-)
[11:43] <Ych> yes i have them enabled
[11:43] <Ych> !mouse
[11:43] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[11:43] <looksaus> Ubuntu_noob, ^^^
[11:43] <HeXiOn> Ych, thanks, I'll read the howto :)
[11:44] <Ych> thats how i did it :)
[11:44] <Bisen> somebody can help me making a wireless connection from my laptop to my router?
[11:44] <erUSUL> cowmilk: less /etc/apt/sources.list and look for a line enabling it
[11:44] <npster> Is 46 C normal for a Intel Pentium 4 processor ???
[11:44] <Bisen> just installed Ubuntu, so could use some detailed help
[11:44] <cowmilk> looksaus: erUSUL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20329 i think multiverse is enabled. what do you think?
[11:45] <Ubuntu_noob> Ubuntu or Free BSD?
[11:45] <cowmilk> looksaus: erUSUL do i have to add "mulitiverse" to line 23 in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20329
[11:45] <Ubuntu_noob> which is better?
[11:45] <cowmilk> ?
[11:45] <looksaus> cowmilk, no, it isn't
[11:45] <npster> IS 46 degrees centigrade normal for a Pentium 4 processor ?
[11:45] <Ubuntu_noob> ya
[11:45] <Daishi> ok i think i found the problem...how do you change the subnet mask that dhcp uses?
[11:45] <looksaus> Ubuntu_noob, for what kind of use?
[11:45] <looksaus> Bisen, what wifi chipset?
[11:45] <Daishi> its set to <IP_ADDRESS> and should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:45] <Ubuntu_noob> Learning to use.
[11:45] <cowmilk> looksaus:  where must i add "multiverse"? what line, erUSUL?
[11:46] <Jack_Sparrow> npster:  that is cold
[11:46] <looksaus> Ubuntu_noob, start with ubuntu
[11:46] <Ubuntu_noob> then free bsd?
[11:46] <npster> And is 50 degrees centigrade normal for a Pentium 4 processor?
[11:46] <JackONeill> Hey, I want to add a game to my gnome menu... (had to manually install it and it has no icon) - i've got alacarte menu editor - but i don't see anything for 'add icon' - any ideas!!!?
[11:46] <Ubuntu_noob> npster, no  40-46 is
[11:46] <looksaus> cowmilk, just add the word "multiverse" at the end of line 8
[11:46] <erUSUL> cowmilk: no, it is not. add multiverse to the end of the line 23 or use source-o-matic to generate a sources.list with multiverse
[11:46] <npster> Jack_Sparrow: What do you mean ?
[11:46] <Jeruvy> npster: it's not unusual
[11:46] <ucordes> when i run alsamixer i see card=camera. how can i select my sound card?
[11:47] <fredxor> where can I find the installation manual?
[11:47] <JackONeill> oh nm found it!
[11:47] <cowmilk> looksaus, erUSUL, line 8 OR line 23? which, please?
[11:47] <Jack_Sparrow> npster: You are fine
[11:47] <Ych> npster, yes i said it before, thats quite cold
[11:47] <Ych> my dads p4 prescott runs at 58ish
[11:47] <erUSUL> cowmilk: i said 23 in the last msg. can you read?
[11:47] <npster> Sometimes I get 57 but not for a long time, Is that normal ???
[11:47] <looksaus> cowmilk, both are ok, but 23 is probably the cleanest place to put it
[11:47] <cowmilk> erUSUL: yes i can. but i can be confused.
[11:47] <Ubuntu_noob> Is it possible to start a game server for Call Of Duty 2 on Ubuntu with the linux source?
[11:47] <cowmilk> looksaus: why do you say so?
[11:47] <Jack_Sparrow> mine runs 46 to 50 normally but up to 55 when really pushing it
[11:48] <Ych> yes
[11:48] <Ych> also normal
[11:48] <Ych> under load ive seen it hit 70
[11:48] <Ych> even my amd does 50 if i load it hard enough
[11:48] <looksaus> cowmilk, not too important, but because universe and multiverse are closer to each other
[11:48] <Ych> and its got the biggest market heatsink on it
[11:48] <looksaus> in the content they serve
[11:48] <cowmilk> how do i edit sourceslist in terminal, looksaus, erUSUL?
[11:48] <Ubuntu_noob> i have an xp 210+AMD for my game maching and pushing it it hits 44
[11:48] <looksaus> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:48] <fredxor> could someone please tell me where to find the installation manual? it keeps freezing during the install.
[11:49] <npster> One good recommendation NEVER BUY FROM ABIT, don't use the clock that they give you, YOU will Freak OUT !!!
[11:49] <Jeruvy> Ubuntu_noob: AMD's run a bit cooler, depending on type, than Intels
[11:49] <looksaus> (you could also do it using synaptic or other GUI tools, but since you seem to like the terminal)
[11:49] <xeh> sudo apt-get install pants :(
[11:49] <Jman88888> Am i the only one who keeps having firefox crash on me?
[11:49] <cowmilk> looksaus: how do i save changes in vi? and exit?\
[11:50] <looksaus> cowmilk, you'll have to read a vi tutorial for that
[11:50] <cowmilk> looksaus: please
[11:50] <looksaus> :wq
[11:50] <cowmilk> looksaus: thankq
[11:50] <looksaus> but really, getting used to vi is a 30 min investment of your time
[11:50] <majd> cowmilk, :wq
[11:50] <cowmilk> looksaus: perhaps,
[11:50] <looksaus> but it will pay off sooo much
[11:50] <cowmilk> looksaus: but i don't want to invest untill i know which is the best terminal editor
[11:50] <strangy> nano
[11:50] <strangy> :)
[11:50] <majd> looksaus, i learnt vim
[11:51] <tolstoy> is the mod_mono packager here?
[11:51] <majd> but i can't get used to it
[11:51] <looksaus> strangy, you joker
[11:51] <majd> been using it for 2 weeks
[11:51] <looksaus> majd, yes, vim
[11:51] <npster> Ubuntu keeps my CPU cool, windows really is stupid, there I get a lot of variations, Ubuntu constant 46. WOW
[11:51] <looksaus>  very good choice
[11:51] <strangy> looksaus: yes a little
[11:51] <xeh> npster i think its fans that keep it cool not your os...
[11:51] <tolstoy> Want to know the proper Dapper way of deploying an app, rather than editing packaged config files that say "do not edit".
[11:52] <looksaus> heheh, he's gone
[11:52] <looksaus> majd, did you manage to get up and running with irssi?
[11:52] <majd> yeah
[11:52] <looksaus> ok
[11:52] <majd> just /server and /join
[11:52] <gnomefreak> tolstoy: to deploy (run) and app type the app name in terminal or use the menu
[11:52] <majd> just like xchat
[11:52] <linux_user400354> Jman88888, can you not get my messages?
[11:52] <linux_user400354> !wireless
[11:52] <linux_user400354> cowmilk, sudo apt-get update
[11:52] <linux_user400354> !best
[11:52] <npster> xeh: I know but I think that Xubuntu is making a order of execution of some sort, it doesn't pushes it. Windows just executes. There is something to it...
[11:52] <linux_user400354> Jman88888, are you here?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> linux_user400354: dont play with the bot
[11:53] <majd> looksaus, you understand what i need to do right?
[11:53] <tolstoy> gnomefreak: I mean I have an asp.net app I want to run.  Is there a dir I can drop it in?  Do I edit /etc/mod-mono/conf.d?  Etc.
[11:53] <gnomefreak> matter of fact where is it :(
[11:53] <Ubuntu_noob> When you order cd's do they ship to your physical address or your po box?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> !test
[11:53] <looksaus> majd, worst case scenario is that you'll have to reconfigure your x server
[11:53] <looksaus> so not too much of a problem
[11:54] <looksaus> but please try to keep it a bit short
[11:54] <npster> What is PWM ???
[11:54] <looksaus> because it's about midnight over here
[11:54] <looksaus> majd, and I would like to go to bed in +- 30 min
[11:54] <npster> looksaus: you mean 23:55
[11:54] <looksaus> yup
[11:54] <OneTruth> Hey guys, quick easy question. I'm installing a wiki web app and need to give permissions to the user that runs CGI scripts on ubuntu. Is that user www-data?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> npster: pm = private message
[11:55] <npster> no PWM, it is on my Abit Clock
[11:55] <majd> looksaus, lol k
[11:55] <majd> just note
[11:55] <majd> when i run glxgears
[11:55] <majd> i get
[11:55] <Gun_Smoke> Are apt-get and aptitude the EXACT same command?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: no
[11:55] <xeh> when i run glxgears it does not inform me of my fps in terminal :(
[11:55] <Ych> pulse width modulation
[11:55] <Ych> is pwn
[11:55] <Ych> pwm
[11:55] <tolstoy> gnomefreak: the answer is in /usr/share/doc/mono-apache-server.
[11:55] <majd> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[11:55] <Gun_Smoke> And the difference is?
[11:55] <Ych> its a way to regulate voltage
[11:55] <npster> Ych: Ok I know now thanks
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: the way they handle packages/depends
[11:56] <Ych> ok
[11:56] <Ych> np
[11:56] <_dna> http://www.animeleet.com
[11:56] <_dna> http://www.animeleet.com
[11:56] <_dna> http://www.animeleet.com
[11:56] <looksaus> hm, I have a laptop here with a 9200 and it runs... rather slow, but very stable
[11:56] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: in alot of cases if you dont know what your doing aptitude is not really a great idea to use
[11:56] <looksaus> (it runs glxgears, I mean)
[11:56] <Jman88888> linux_user400354, Hello?
[11:56] <OneTruth> What is the user that runs CGI scripts on ubuntu?
[11:56] <Gun_Smoke> gnomefreak:  Is there someplace I can read about the two side by side.
[11:56] <looksaus>  /kick _dna
[11:56] <Gun_Smoke> gnomefreak:  and apt-get is pretty much safe bet most of the time?
[11:57] <majd> looksaus, mine doesn't run.
[11:57] <Jack_Sparrow> glxgears -printfps
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: most of time but still wouldnt use it mindlessly
[11:57] <majd> dunno if you read what i said before...but, it used to run fast and nice, after i followed a tutorial to install a driver, it's very choppy
[11:57] <majd> so i was just looking for a way to revert back
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: yes wiki.ubuntu.com search for apt or aptitude
[11:57] <majd> the tutorial said to use
[11:57] <majd> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:57] <Gun_Smoke> gnomefreak:  Thanks.
[11:57] <majd> and i just pressed enter a lot
[11:58] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: man apt ;)
[11:58] <looksaus> yes, you can mostly do that again _after_ removing flgrx first
[11:58] <looksaus> or look if you have an old config file left
[11:58] <looksaus> in /etc/X11
[11:58] <Ubuntu_noob> is there a way to set ubuntu with a remote desktop and be able to work on it from a remote computer?
[11:58] <OneTruth> what is the default apache installation path?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: yw
[11:58] <Daishi> whats the command to reconfigure networking? dpkg-reconfigure what?
[11:58] <looksaus> maybe check that one first
[11:59] <OneTruth> Ubuntu_noob:  Yep, you just need to use VNC
[11:59] <Gun_Smoke> gnomefreak:  Sticking with Synaptic is the best way to go then eh'?
[11:59] <looksaus> majd, do you have old xorg.conf files backed up inside /etc/X11
[11:59] <looksaus> ?
[11:59] <majd> k
[11:59] <majd> let me check
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: i never use synaptic. i can hoenstly say ive only used it a hand full of times
[11:59] <Gun_Smoke> Really
[11:59] <sprink> aptitude is the best
[11:59] <Ubuntu_noob> thank you because there are time when i cant have a monitor on it and i dont wat to carry a 50lb monitor in here to work with it
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Gun_Smoke: safe yes synaptic or apt really they are both fairly safe
[12:00] <majd> looksaus, what would the old files be called?
[12:00] <greg_> Anyone have any success getting 32 bit libflashplugin.so working in 64 bit firefox using nspluginwrapper?
[12:00] <majd> i have a whole bunch of xorg.conf files
[12:00] <gnomefreak> sprink: this is no a debate on best or better than
[12:00] <looksaus> something like  xorg.conf.20060807225356
[12:00] <Daishi> !network
[12:00] <majd> yeah<PHONE_NUMBER>5922
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Daishi: bot is not working


[09:47] <mup> Bug #1951995 changed: cloud-init timeouts delays booting machine when MAAS is unavailable <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1951995>
[09:53] <mup> Bug #1951995 opened: cloud-init timeouts delays booting machine when MAAS is unavailable <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1951995>
[09:59] <mup> Bug #1951995 changed: cloud-init timeouts delays booting machine when MAAS is unavailable <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1951995>
[10:02] <mup> Bug #1951995 opened: cloud-init timeouts delays booting machine when MAAS is unavailable <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1951995>
[10:05] <mup> Bug #1951995 changed: cloud-init timeouts delays booting machine when MAAS is unavailable <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1951995>
[17:41] <mup> Bug #1959898 changed: Failed deployment on registering VM LXD host  <training> <MAAS:Invalid by alexsander-souza> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959898>
[17:41] <mup> Bug #1959905 changed: LXD VM fails composing <training> <MAAS:Invalid by alexsander-souza> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1959905>
[22:39] <mup> Bug #1966343 opened: Can't deploy CentOS with MD-RAID <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1966343>


[16:06]  * hyperair just spotted the forcefully-shutdown-notify-osd block of code to work around memory leaks
[16:06] <hyperair> interesting workaround
[19:13] <hyperair> qense: hmm i saw your blog post about libappindicator0-cil not being in the dependencies. that would be a bug in appindicator's packaging
[19:13] <qense> hyperair: really?
[19:14] <qense> hyperair: how?
[19:14] <qense> The extension does depend on indicator-applet and indicator-application, but as far as I'm aware that's not necessary.
[19:14] <hyperair> qense: just like how shared libs are supposed to put themselves into ${shlibs:Depends}, cli libs are supposed to put themselves in ${cli:Depends}
[19:14] <hyperair> ${cli:Depends} is there, as evidenced by notify-sharp being pulled in
[19:15] <qense> yes
[19:15] <hyperair> but what's missing is libappindicator0-cil from that list
[19:15] <hyperair> which is why it's a bug in appindicator's side of things
[19:15] <qense> ok
[19:15] <hyperair> it's not generating the clilibs file
[19:15] <hyperair> what's the package name?
[19:15] <qense> appindicator-sharp-.01
[19:15] <qense> appindicator-sharp-0.1
[19:15] <hyperair> ah okay thanks
[19:16] <hyperair> i'll go fix it
[19:16] <hyperair> it's probably missing some dh_ calls
[19:16] <hyperair> dh_makeclilibs or something
[19:16] <qense> hyperair: great, thank you
[19:17] <hyperair> np
[19:17] <hyperair> i should have caught this earlier
[19:17] <qense> hyperair: but the source package is just indicator-application
[19:17] <hyperair> what
[19:17] <hyperair> say that first >_>
[19:17] <qense> I thought you were asking for the pkg-config name
[19:18] <hyperair> oh
[19:18]  * hyperair kicks pull-lp-source
[19:18] <hyperair> stupid thing
[19:19] <qense> sorry!
[19:19] <hyperair> nevermind
[19:19] <hyperair> that wasn't addressed to you
[19:19] <qense> hyperair: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-application/ubuntu
[19:19] <qense> ok
[19:19] <hyperair> eh i hate bzr. nevermind =p
[19:20] <hyperair> i'll just throw patches around
[19:20] <qense> I knew I wasn't the stupid thing. :)
[19:20] <hyperair> okay good =)
[19:20] <qense> but it's so easy!
[19:20] <hyperair> i like git.
[19:20] <hyperair> bzr trips me up
[19:20] <hyperair> it gets in my way
[19:20] <qense> they're both not bad
[19:21] <qense> bzr branch lp:branch -> edit -> bzr commit -m "message" --fixes lp:123 -> go to launchpad and file merge request
[19:21] <qense> done!
[19:21] <hyperair> well, when you've experienced wielding great power, stepping back to something less powerful really sucks
[19:21] <qense> that's true
[19:21] <qense> but not necessarily for Bazaar ;)
[19:21] <qense> according to me, of coruse
[19:21] <hyperair> heh
[19:21] <hyperair> i'm not going back to bzr. period. =p
[19:23] <hyperair> tedg needs a good kicking from the CLI team.
[19:24] <qense> I agree that Bazaar lacks the power of format-patch and am, and the distinction between author and committer, but I do think that Bazaar is better for (quick) distributed development.
[19:24] <qense> Bazaar is for opportunistic developers, GIT for kernel hackers. ;)
[19:25] <hyperair> i'm no kernel hacker
[19:25] <hyperair> i'm an opportunistic developer, but i appreciate my git.
[19:25] <qense> GIT is probably more suitable for large code bases like GNOME and Banshee, but I do think that Bazaar is easier for small projects.
[19:26] <vish> jcastro: hi.. got a sec?
[19:26] <hyperair> git has pristine-tar.
[19:26] <hyperair> qense: do me a favour and dpkg -L libappindicator0-cil for me please? thanks
[19:26] <hyperair> pastebin that too
[19:27] <qense> hyperair:
[19:27] <qense> http://paste.ubuntu.com/412226/
[19:27] <hyperair> thanks
[19:27]  * hyperair groans
[19:27] <qense> what?
[19:28] <qense> The non-confirmation to assembly standards again you spoke about earlier?
[19:29] <hyperair> qense: yeah, that.
[19:29] <hyperair> the package throws things into the gac directly
[19:29] <hyperair> and installs files in the middle of nowhere
[19:29] <hyperair> it's supposed to be in /usr/lib/cli/blah
[19:29] <hyperair> and use dh_installcligac
[19:30] <qense> hyperair: bzr branch and file a merge request! ;)
[19:30] <hyperair> see, this is why many seasoned ubuntu developers suck. they don't read policies anymore and just whack up some half-baked packaging.
[19:30] <hyperair> qense: i'll throw a debdiff.
[19:30] <qense> ok
[19:30] <qense> That'll do
[19:31] <hyperair> if i can even figure out how to begin fixing this mess.
[19:31] <qense> hyperair: I think it's because the policies don't have such a central place in Ubuntu as they do in Debian. We don't have them on our wiki and linked to from everywhere.
[19:32] <hyperair> qense: it is the ubuntu developer's job to *LOOK* for the policies
[19:32] <hyperair> qense: either way there's a package for it.
[19:32] <hyperair> containing all the policies
[19:33] <hyperair> and if they can't find the policy, then it's their job to ask the people who know where it is
[19:33] <hyperair> ah yes, the package is cli-common
[19:33] <hyperair> that's where the policy resides
[19:35] <qense> plus: ubuntu-policy and debian-policy
[19:35] <hyperair> right.
[19:36] <qense> hyperair: Do you want me to mark the bug as In Progress and assign it to you?
[19:36] <hyperair> qense: please do.
[19:36] <qense> ok
[19:36] <hyperair> er what bug?
[19:36] <qense> bug 560095
[19:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 560095 in banshee-community-extensions (Ubuntu) "banshee-extension-appindicator doesn't depend on libappindicator0-cil, but it has to (affects: 4) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560095
[19:36]  * hyperair didn't see it
[19:36] <hyperair> oh please point it to indicator-application
[19:36] <hyperair> thanks
[19:37] <qense> yw
[19:45] <hyperair> qense: could you pastebin the output of ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/libappindicator0-cil.*?
[19:45]  * hyperair really needs a lucid environment
[19:46] <qense> I'll be your Lucid environment :)
[19:46] <qense> hyperair: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libappindicator0-cil.list  /var/lib/dpkg/info/libappindicator0-cil.md5sums
[19:46] <hyperair> hmm
[19:47] <hyperair> thanks
[19:50] <hyperair> heh. i thought it was weird. looks like dh_makeclilibs was being called in the wrong place.
[19:52] <hyperair> make: Circular binary/libappindicator0-cil <- binary-arch dependency dropped.
[19:52] <hyperair> this is what happened.
[19:52] <qense> ah
[19:52] <jcastro> vish: yo yo
[19:52] <qense> I think this happened because there is not much C# experience in the Ubuntu/Canonical Desktop team.
[19:52] <qense> They know what they're doing, but less when it's about Mono. ;)
[19:52] <hyperair> along with cdbs stupidity.
[19:52] <jcastro> that was before we had RAOF around. :D
[19:53] <vish> jcastro: heya > pm
[19:53] <hyperair> jcastro: tedg still doesn't know what he's doing regarding cli libs packaging >_>
[19:54] <hyperair> jcastro: which is why b-e-appind has missing dependencies, and needs to be rebuilt.
[19:54] <jcastro> hyperair: please file a bug on ted.
[19:54] <qense> jcastro: I filed a bug on hyperair :)
[19:54] <hyperair> jcastro: the bug that caused this wasn't policy breakage, but a failure in writing a proper debian/rules.
[19:55] <jcastro> ok
[19:56] <jcastro> what's up with the icon messed up for non-app-indicator tray?
[19:56] <jcastro> ALSO, I found a great tip
[19:56] <jcastro> since I now want my banshee there all the time I launch it at startup with "banshee-1 --quiet", FOR THE WIN.
[19:56] <hyperair> jcastro: that's a regression in gtk, the panel, the notification area, or the engine.
[19:56] <jcastro> hah, so situation "normal"
[19:56] <hyperair> jcastro: what's --quiet?
[19:57] <jcastro> it launches it minimized
[19:57] <jcastro> in the app indicator
[19:57] <hyperair> ah
[19:57] <hyperair> heh
[19:57] <qense> Like Rhythmbox does by default.
[19:57] <hyperair> i thought it was banshee-1 --hide
[19:57] <jcastro> oh dude, yeah, --hide, my bad
[19:57] <jcastro> I just checked
[19:57] <jcastro> qense: does it?
[19:57] <jcastro> I've not been able to find out how to do that
[19:57] <qense> jcastro: yes, it's a bug, supposedly reported but not solved
[19:57] <hyperair> lol
[19:57] <qense> hyperair: I thought it was a regression in all the things you named + the themes
[19:57] <jcastro> hey so if it's totally broken in the tray case then clearly we should ship with the app indicator on by default in ubuntu!
[19:57] <hyperair> qense: er right. that too, maybe
[19:58] <qense> jcastro: maybe it's an option in gconf-editor
[19:58] <hyperair> nooooooooooooooo
[19:58] <jcastro> hyperair: come on dude, it looks freaking great up there
[19:58] <jcastro> with the shiny new icon
[19:58] <hyperair> jcastro: the menu looks bad in my eyes.
[19:58] <jcastro> it's lovely
[19:58] <hyperair> jcastro: gimme back my scrolling superpowers and my tooltip and i'll gladly worship the appindicators.
[19:58] <qense> hyperair: the notification problems are quite severe and deep and nasty. There have been released fixes for that bug several times in several packages, but it still persists.
[19:58] <qense> hyperair: scrolling is back, at least in libindicator
[19:58] <jcastro> hmm yeah, in hindsight maybe it should have seperators like the rb one
[19:59] <jcastro> hyperair: we got the scrolling back for the system volume
[19:59] <qense> that was ugly
[19:59] <qense> :)
[19:59] <jcastro> maybe I can fix ted at UDS wrt. the music player volume
[19:59] <hyperair> changing tracks!
[19:59] <qense> that's inconsistency!
[19:59] <hyperair> it's rhythmbox being inconsistent
[20:00] <hyperair> if the volume indicator changes the volume, then it's only right that the media player changes the currently playing track
[20:00] <jcastro> oh you mean scrolling on the icon to change tracks
[20:00] <hyperair> it's logical.
[20:00] <hyperair> yes, that thing you hate so much
[20:00] <jcastro> do you know the history behind that feature?
[20:00] <jcastro> jimmac got one of those usb scrolly wheel things
[20:00] <hyperair> you told me once, but i don't really care much
[20:00] <jcastro> and wanted to use it, so they added that
[20:00] <hyperair> well. i want to use it with my mouse.
[20:01] <hyperair> it works perfectly in conjunction to my fat tooltip that shows me what song is currently playing
[20:01]  * jcastro has a keyboard key for that
[20:01] <hyperair> scroll once, the current song updates
[20:01] <hyperair> don't like? scroll more
[20:01] <jcastro> hmmm
[20:01] <jcastro> hey
[20:01] <hyperair> keep in mind that not all keyboards have media keys
[20:01] <jcastro> notifications and keyboard shortcuts are broken for me
[20:01] <hyperair> my current usb keyboard doesn't.
[20:01] <jcastro> hyperair: yeah it's why I'm not strongly for or against it
[20:01] <hyperair> notifications? blame that on qense =p
[20:01] <jcastro> I still think it's crack
[20:02] <qense> notification cannot be broken
[20:02] <hyperair> i don't see an enable-notifications/disable-notifications option there
[20:02] <hyperair> qense: where's it on your menu?
[20:02] <qense> We removed that because it was redundant.
[20:02] <jcastro> oh wait
[20:02] <qense> too much clutter
[20:02] <jcastro> it works
[20:02] <qense> see!
[20:02] <jcastro> it's my keyboard shortcuts that are broken
[20:02] <hyperair> qense: but i want to *disable* it!
[20:02] <qense> It only doesn't work when you have the main window focussed.
[20:02] <hyperair> qense: because notify-osd leaks memory like hell when it's enabled.
[20:03] <qense> hyperair: there is a preference for in the extension, but I'm not sure where you can edit it. gconf?
[20:03] <qense> hyperair: use a different notification daemon!
[20:03] <hyperair> qense: no! notify-osd rocks!
[20:03] <hyperair> at least, UI-wise
[20:03] <hyperair> it sucks in terms of memory leakage
[20:03] <hyperair> and implementation wise, i think it was pretty messed up >_>
[20:03] <qense> In Banshee?
[20:04] <jcastro> didn't we just upload a new version?
[20:04] <hyperair> jcastro: the new version *still* sucks.
[20:04] <hyperair> qense: what?
[20:04] <qense> nvm
[20:04] <hyperair> jcastro: i compiled my notify-osd and now my volume notifications don't show up >_>
[20:04] <qense> We should reevaluate Notify OSD during the UDS. Especially considering the fact that GNOME Shell is persuing something very similar,.
[20:05] <jcastro> let's start with keyboard shortcuts
[20:05] <jcastro> are yours working?
[20:06] <qense> What shortcuts, for play and pause?
[20:06] <qense> What are they?
[20:07] <qense> The menu should be using the same GtkAction for PlayPause as the GtkStatusIcon.
[20:07] <hyperair> jcastro: yes they do, with karmic's notify-osd. everything.
[20:09] <jcastro> mine are busted in lucid
[20:09] <hyperair> jcastro: i think that's handled by gnome-settings-daemon
[20:10] <hyperair> jcastro: global media keys, right?
[20:10] <qense> That isn't something for the menu, iirc.
[20:10] <qense> the AppInd menu nor the GtkStatusIcon menu
[20:11] <hyperair> okay, for some strange reason, notify-osd is adding "notification-" in front of my volume icon names
[20:11] <hyperair> loading icon 'notification-notification-audio-volume-high' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-notification-audio-volume-high' not present in theme'loading icon 'notification-audio-volume-high' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-audio-volume-high' not present in theme'** (notify-osd:15339): DEBUG: [2010-04-11T03:11:51-00:00, gnome-settings-daemon, id:0, icon:notification-audio-volume-high (synchronous)]
[20:12] <hyperair> see?
[20:12] <qense> hyperair: did you install the new notify-osd-icons?
[20:13] <hyperair> qense: nonono, look at it properly.
[20:13] <hyperair> qense: look at the message.
[20:13] <qense> ah
[20:13] <hyperair> "loading Icon 'notification-notification-audio-volume-high'"
[20:13] <qense> what sound applet do you have?
[20:13] <hyperair> gnome-settings-daemon
[20:13] <hyperair> this is karmic
[20:14] <qense> maybe that's where the bug is. Maybe the notification- prefix was stripped in Lucid.
[20:17] <hyperair> perhaps it was
[20:17] <hyperair> but i can't find where it's prepended
[20:17] <hyperair> but in other news, i think i found where notify-osd is leaking!!
[20:17] <hyperair> =D
[20:17] <qense> yay!
[20:18] <hyperair> first it does g_memdup
[20:18] <hyperair> after that it passes the data to gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data
[20:18] <hyperair> but it doesn't give it a function to free the data
[20:19] <hyperair> so it's never freed
[20:19] <hyperair> which explains why my hi-res album art always screws around with notify-osd
[20:22] <hyperair> qense: #ifdef TEMPORARY_ICON_PREFIX_WORKAROUND
[20:22] <hyperair> I FOUND IT
[20:28] <qense> yay!
[20:28] <qense> hyperair: report, diff, report!
[20:28] <hyperair> heh
[20:28] <qense> hyperair: You want to speak to MacSlow, but he's in my timezone and mostly unavailable outside working hours.
[20:29] <hyperair> wait, this might not be it  =\
[20:30] <qense> anyway, I've been online for far too long already. I'm shutting down!
[20:37] <chrisccoulson_> heh, i keep getting highlighted because of people talking about gnome-settings-daemon ;)
[20:38] <chrisccoulson_> can you talk about something else? ;)
[20:51] <hyperair> we've stopped, i think.
[23:18] <hyperair> yay appind now works as expected, clilibs and all.