[07:49] <netritious> can't beleive I'm installing steam...it's only because I want to know how it will perform in a vm on ubuntu lol
[07:58] <Unit193> What games do you have?
[07:59] <netritious> none yet
[07:59] <netritious> had to create account and stuff
[08:04] <netritious> where the heck are teh games dur :P Do I have to install one in advance or something?
[08:04] <Unit193> TF2 it up!  "Could not find OpenGL entry point..."
[10:04] <netritious> let's see what happens in windows7 vm
[23:07] <wrst> netritious: what happened?


[21:15] <bcurtiswx> maco, once I accept sponsorship, i setup the air through the travel agency, i should expect the travel agency to tell canonical so canonical pays right?
[21:16] <bcurtiswx> maco, also, once I register with marianna, do I need to setup the hotel or is that done by them
[21:17] <maco> bcurtiswx: right, they bill canonical
[21:17] <maco> bcurtiswx: marianna will set up the hotel and give you a roommate
[21:17] <maco> whether you will be informed of who your roommate is before you check-in, i don't know
[21:17] <maco> in barcelona and dallas, we were told in advance. in florida we weren't
[21:17] <bcurtiswx> maco, OK, i just wanted to make sure i wasn't supposed to expect a roomie e-mail.
[21:17] <maco> also, if you want to request anyone in particular, now's the time to email marianna
[21:17] <bcurtiswx> idk any in particular
[21:18] <bcurtiswx> i'd ask kenvandine, but i would assume canonical employees get their own rooms..
[21:18] <maco> nope, they share
[21:18] <maco> in dallas, Riddell & cjwatson shared
[21:19] <maco> heh in barcelona, the email they sent had me with Mike Basinger. jorge forgot to tell claire i'm female, and she just random'd it.
[21:19] <maco> (it was quickly switched so that i was with dan)


[17:26] <czajkowski> aloha from my new house :)
[18:00] <cjohnston> AlanBell: your kidding right?
[18:00] <cjohnston> hey czajkowski
[18:01] <AlanBell> cjohnston: about what?
[18:01] <cjohnston> It's been 14 hours
[18:01] <cjohnston> the email
[18:02] <AlanBell> which bit of the email?
[18:03] <cjohnston> the part about not seeing any interaction from the design team
[18:03] <AlanBell> oh that bit
[18:04] <AlanBell> um, no not kidding, however I don't really know who is and isn't on the design team
[18:04] <AlanBell> there just isn't much traffic to that list overall
[18:04] <cjohnston> its still the weekend
[18:04] <czajkowski> sounds very interesting
[18:04] <AlanBell> traffic per month is low
[18:04] <cjohnston> yes it is
[18:04] <cjohnston> there isnt much traffic needed
[18:05] <AlanBell> newz2000 passed on a message from the design team a few weeks back, then retracted it
[18:05] <AlanBell> my take on that was that because messages from the design team to the list were done by passing through the webmaster that they were not directly participating in the list
[18:06] <AlanBell> I might well be wrong in my assumption, but I wasn't kidding
[18:06] <AlanBell> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-October/001067.html
[18:14] <czajkowski> *sigh(
[18:15] <AlanBell> cjohnston: not sure if I have said something wrong here
[18:16] <AlanBell> the point I was trying to make was that I can't see any overlap between the names here http://design.canonical.com/theteam/ and the names in the mailing list archive
[18:17] <cjohnston> just because they dont talk doesnt mean they arent on it
[18:18] <cjohnston> I don't know if they are or not, but Matt has said a few times that two of them are on the list.
[18:18] <AlanBell> indeed, hence my question marks!
[18:18] <czajkowski> also folks
[18:18] <czajkowski> it is the weekend
[18:18] <cjohnston> ^
[18:18] <czajkowski> folks may not be looking at email
[18:19] <czajkowski> which I think at times community folks forget
[18:19] <czajkowski> we may look at mail, but I think canonical folks like a weekdn away from work and bug reports
[18:19] <czajkowski> which I think the comments on that mailing list seem to be over looking
[18:19] <AlanBell> yes, I know it is the weekend
[18:21] <AlanBell> I wasn't demanding answers from the design team or anything like that, just responding to the specific point that the conversation was being taken to the list in order to engage with the design team. My question was simply whether that was the right list and whether they would be subscribed to it.
[18:49] <czajkowski> Bed made
[18:49] <czajkowski> 1 suitcase unpacked
[18:49] <czajkowski> *phew*
[19:28] <AlanBell> cjohnston: I may well have made an error of tone with that email
[19:29] <AlanBell> I was basically asking if something like the Ayatana list might be a more appropriate place to get the design team involved
[19:29] <AlanBell> although that is mostly desktop based I think
[19:33] <czajkowski> whooo all done
[19:33] <czajkowski> :D
[20:41] <AlanBell> cjohnston: seems they do read the list which is great https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-November/001108.html
[20:57] <cjohnston> I saw. :-)


[04:52] <apetrescu> I started a kernel build using:
[04:52] <apetrescu> AUTOBUILD=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs
[04:52] <apetrescu> it's been going for four or five hours and I swear to God as the compilation targets scroll by I can swear I've seen some of these subtrees before
[04:52] <apetrescu> Is there any known situation where it gets stuck in an infinite loop and keeps on recompiling the same things over and over again?
[04:53] <apetrescu> It even got to the "LD    vmlinux" stage once
[04:53] <apetrescu> And now it's back to compiling drivers/infiniband
[04:53] <apetrescu> Which I'm almost certain was compiled about two hours ago
[04:54] <lifeless> its building all the different flavours
[04:54] <apetrescu> Oh, okay
[04:54] <apetrescu> How many flavors are there? 3?
[04:54] <apetrescu> Generic, xen, and rt?
[04:54] <lifeless> dunno
[04:54] <apetrescu> Damn, I should have told it just to do generic
[04:54] <lifeless> binary-generic, for instance,w ould build one flavour
[04:54] <apetrescu> At least that explains it
[04:54] <apetrescu> Thanks a lot :)
[05:16] <vish> hi, while git bisect I accidentally did $git bisect skip  , instead of $git bisect good , but then I tried to "fix" it by doing $git bisect < previous skipped commit> ,   so now the log looks like » http://paste.ubuntu.com/646220/
[05:16] <vish> if you notice the last two bisects, they are the same commit# one is now marked skip and then as good.. is that correct or how do i fix it?
[05:17] <vish> s/correct/OK
[05:28] <ohsix> vish: you could start the bisect again with the valid outer commit id's instead of your original starting ones
[05:29] <vish> ohsix: yea, I did consider that, but which way would that be?   just leave the new commit# as good and the old one as bad?
[05:30] <vish> I had started with $ git bisect start Ubuntu-2.6.35-1.1 Ubuntu-2.6.34-5.14
[05:31] <vish> i so just s/Ubuntu-2.6.35-1.1/6b2c676bf32be91f43215d5874c07c1becaba013   ?
[05:31] <vish> so I*
[05:31] <vish> err, wait the first one was bad!
[05:32] <vish> s/Ubuntu-2.6.34-5.14/6b2c676bf32be91f43215d5874c07c1becaba013   ?
[05:34] <ohsix> git bisect log shows all the decisions made; they alternate, between the last good and the most recent bad should be the inner set
[05:36] <vish> the weird thing is I got only good bisects(until now).. o.0
[06:43] <smb> vish, The output of git bisect log should be the sequence of commands needed to set you up. So if you put that into some text file and delete things after the point you want to start over with and then reset your tree to the start of the whole bisect, you can run that file and get where you want to be
[07:12] <cking> morning folks
[07:12] <vish> smb: yea i see it in the log.. so if I delete the second last 'skip' lines would it be OK? also when i $ git bisect reset
[07:12] <vish> error: Untracked working tree file 'debian.master/NOTES' would be overwritten by merge.
[07:12] <smb> cking, morning
[07:13]  * vish could probably update the wiki with a lot more bisect info, (that is when i'm done) :D
[07:14] <smb> vish, It should be ok for replay, yes. Sounds like for the reset you need to throw away generated files (git clean -d -x -f (warning gets rid of everything in the git directory not in git)
[07:14] <smb> So the log better goes one dir level up to be persistently saved
[07:14] <vish> k..
[07:15] <smb> git checkout -f resets the files to what they are in the current HEAD
[07:16] <smb> I often do both to get back to where I was before playing around
[07:20] <vish> the git bisect help now makes better sense; thanks smb :)
[07:21] <smb> vish, welcome :)
[08:01] <vish> smb: looks like git reset went fine » http://paste.ubuntu.com/646288/  i'm only concerned about line 7 and ln 17,18  referring to the same KVM and commit# , is that right?
[08:01] <vish> btw, after the git clean how do i make a new debian.master and debian ? or is it OK if I copy them back from a backup or from master?
[08:04] <smb> vish, at least line 7 tells you where HEAD _was_ before. That could well be what you already had at a certain point...
[08:05] <vish> yea..
[08:05] <smb> The debian* dirs you should be able to copy from the release you are trying to bisect
[08:06] <smb> Maybe a updateconfigs run would be good as well (to get the configs into a state where you get no questions)
[08:07] <vish> k
[14:44]  * ogasawara back in 20
[19:01]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[19:24] <dupondje> http://bugzilla.intellinuxwireless.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2308
[19:24] <ubot2> bugzilla.intellinuxwireless.org bug 2308 in RF-Kill "rfkill issue on Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6230" [Normal,New]
[19:24] <dupondje> have we seen something simular ?
[19:28] <vanhoof> dupondje: only thing that comes to mind recently is this: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/920262/
[19:30] <dupondje> Oneiric kernel does have that commit yet ?
[19:30] <dupondje> or not yet ?
[19:32] <vanhoof> dupondje: looks like its in: 3.0-3.4 actually
[19:32] <vanhoof> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/775281
[19:32] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 775281 in linux "[Dell Latitude 2120/Vostro 1015/1014] Turning off wi-fi with hotkey seems to permenantly disable wi-fi" [High,Fix committed]
[19:33] <dupondje> The issue looks a bit different tho
[19:38] <dupondje> Quite annoying issue imo
[19:38] <dupondje> as it stops me from disabling bluetooth
[21:27] <bdmurray> sconklin: you were asking about apport-package kernel bugs before - you might look in some of the log files for failures with update-initramfs and grub
[21:28] <bdmurray> bug 810236 is a good example
[21:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 810236 in linux "package linux-image-3.0.0-5-generic 3.0.0-5.6 failed to install/upgrade: run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub exited with return code 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810236
[21:35] <manjo> sconklin, bjf, Ricoh 0xe823 card reader does not work for certain SD/MCC Cards, Bug# 773524, there are 2 patches, 1. is in stable 2. just submitted upstream and will be in 3.1 and has stable@ tag. But I would like to have them SRUed in Natty... I am thinking of SRU the 2nd patch as Sauce, any issues with doing that ?
[21:35] <sconklin> manjo, don't ask me questions like this - read the SRU requirements, and if you think it's a viable patch, submit it as an SRU
[21:36] <manjo> sconklin, :) ok


[08:02] <ernstp> are there any good instruction for using ubuntu arm with custom boards?
[08:02] <ernstp> basically using Ubuntu instead of Yocto


[10:57] <tgpraveen12> since the latest update of my lucid system and then restarting my computer i can no longer mount usb disks, whenever i insert A usb disk i get a msg stating
[10:57] <tgpraveen12> Unable to mount Reliance
[10:57] <tgpraveen12> Not Authorized
[10:58] <tgpraveen12> i did notice that the last update had a update of a package called mount. is there anything i can do to get the mount feature back
[11:06] <milanbv> tgpraveen12: you should report a bug about that
[11:06] <tgpraveen12> k
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 452208 is turning in to a joke now :(
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe that so many users have changed the status / assignee by accident


[18:54] <itnet7> ninksink: to answer your question earlier, I personally haven't doned anything involving LogRhythm
[19:00] <itnet7> Hey there n3gbz !
[19:01] <n3gbz> hey!
[19:01] <itnet7> How are you doing?
[19:02] <n3gbz> Pretty good, thanks, how about you?
[19:03] <itnet7> also good
[19:05] <n3gbz> I'm still in Orlando; start back to Pennsylvania on Saturday
[19:05] <itnet7> n3gbz: cool! Have you had a chance to rest? Or working?
[19:06] <n3gbz> little of both
[19:36] <govatent> hello
[19:38] <itnet7> hey there
[20:06] <epidemic> where's the agenda for the 2nd?
[20:08] <itnet7> Epidemic: there wasn't one, no one added anything
[20:08] <itnet7> do you mean the minutes?
[20:08] <itnet7> I will put them up tonight
[20:08] <itnet7> hopefully
[20:09] <Epidemic> anything for the meeting, was at least trying to catch up with what was being discussed and what's coming up
[20:09] <Epidemic> s/for/from
[20:09] <itnet7> We only discussed doing an installfest in Miami area, I will try to get the logs up, the mootbot was down
[20:12] <itnet7> We also posted links for pictures from UDS
[20:21] <itnet7> crashsystems1: feeling any better?
[20:22] <crashsystems1> Yep
[20:22] <itnet7> cool!
[20:22] <Epidemic> what was the cause of the nausea?
[20:22] <crashsystems1> Some food just decided it did not like me. Happens rather often
[20:24] <Epidemic> I know something that'll make you feel better.... Here's an internet speedtest I ran at a cusotmers site... http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/435/screenshot20101104at347.png
[20:28] <crashsystems1> How is that supposed to make me feel better?
[20:37] <Epidemic> that you don't have that horrible bandwidth
[20:41] <crashsystems1> Good point
[20:41] <Epidemic> feeling better now? :)
[20:41] <crashsystems1> Yes
[20:41] <itnet7> bbiab
[22:39] <govatent> are there any tips to make evolution go quicker?
[22:49] <mhall119> what version are you running?
[22:51] <mhall119> govatent: ^^
[22:51] <govatent> 2.30.2
[22:51] <govatent> .3
[22:51] <govatent> sorry
[23:09] <mhall119> hmm, that version has no more bonobo, so it should automatically be faster
[23:09] <mhall119> do you have any web calendars?  I've noticed it stalls while those are being loaded


[18:40] <jelkner> #startmeeting
[18:40] <meeting> Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
[18:40] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[18:40] <jelkner> hello
[18:40] <jelkner> anyone here besides myabes and me?
[18:41] <jelkner> hi caroline
[18:41] <caroline> hi
[18:41] <jelkner> i just typed the startmeeting command
[18:41] <jelkner> you have joined myabes and me so far
[18:44] <jelkner> any word from anurag, caroline?
[18:44] <jelkner> he told me he would be here
[18:44] <caroline> yeah he was on gmail a sec ago
[18:44] <caroline> told me which channel
[18:44] <jelkner> cool
[18:44] <jelkner> i'll try to ping him
[18:45] <jelkner> anurag is trying to join
[18:45] <jelkner> henry grover is logging in as well
[18:46] <jelkner> since i have class at this time
[18:46] <jelkner> i need to move things forward and start the discussion going
[18:46] <jelkner> so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class
[18:47] <Anurag> hey
[18:49] <Anurag> everyone here?
[18:49] <jelkner> caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here
[18:49] <jelkner> i need to come in and out
[18:50] <jelkner> since i have class
[18:50] <jelkner> my top questions is: what next?
[18:50] <jelkner> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tOWGYJYAQz98t_zJogIt_Tg&single=true&gid=0&output=html
[18:50] <jelkner> myabes sent us this
[18:50] <jelkner> is this what you are looking for?
[18:50] <jelkner> i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively
[18:50] <jelkner> which means making sure he is doing useful things with it
[18:51] <jelkner> Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback
[18:51] <jelkner> hgrover is available to support him
[18:51] <hgrover> (in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it)
[18:52] <caroline> Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails?
[18:52] <caroline> Is that something David woudl find useful?
[18:52] <Anurag> right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors
[18:53] <Anurag> need to run some terminal commands
[18:54] <caroline> there is also a Log activity
[18:54] <Anurag> to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP
[18:55] <Anurag> michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router?
[18:56] <hgrover> he does
[18:56] <hgrover> it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network
[18:56] <hgrover> (that router is connected to another higher up)
[18:56] <dfarning_laptop> +1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity
[18:56] <hgrover> where are logs for activities in sugar stored?
[18:57] <hgrover> just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around
[18:58] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity
[18:58] <dfarning_laptop> the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar
[18:58] <satellit_> log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful
[18:59] <satellit_> plus errors
[18:59] <hgrover> ahh, alright
[18:59] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity
[18:59] <hgrover> so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails?
[19:00] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes:)
[19:00] <Anurag> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056
[19:00] <hgrover> i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up
[19:00] <satellit_> use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick
[19:00] <satellit_> or screenshot if VM
[19:01] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet
[19:01] <hgrover> could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet?
[19:02] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet
[19:03] <hgrover> interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page
[19:03] <hgrover> let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes
[19:03] <hgrover> (i do recall it working properly last i tried
[19:04] <dfarning_laptop>  hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines.
[19:04] <hgrover> alright
[19:04] <hgrover> indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work
[19:04] <dfarning_laptop> cool
[19:05] <hgrover> browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems...
[19:05] <Anurag> yea browse has never worked yet
[19:06] <hgrover> alright.  so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc
[19:06] <hgrover> should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what?
[19:06] <dfarning_laptop> The spread sheet is a very good idea.  It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think
[19:07] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing
[19:07] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error....
[19:08] <hgrover> Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet?  All of them, or just those that fail?
[19:08] <Anurag> I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think?
[19:08] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity
[19:09] <hgrover> alright
[19:09] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time
[19:11] <hgrover> so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups:  ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log
[19:12] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms
[19:12] <hgrover> in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log"
[19:12] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff
[19:13] <hgrover> alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log?  It's got a fair amount of debug info
[19:14] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log
[19:14] <hgrover> myabes says that browse doesn't work
[19:15] <Anurag> right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity
[19:15] <hgrover> oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood
[19:15] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed.
[19:15] <hgrover> how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs?
[19:16] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough
[19:17] <Anurag> has anyone tested local collaboration using USR?
[19:17] <Anurag> or will that be difficult with a VM installation?
[19:18] <hgrover> there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin?
[19:18] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, yes
[19:20] <hgrover> hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious
[19:21] <Anurag> hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine
[19:21] <Anurag> and then you can copy paste text files to that folder
[19:21] <hgrover> trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S
[19:23] <hgrover> got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there
[19:24] <Anurag> yea that works
[19:27] <Anurag> myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR?
[19:29] <myabes> whats that?
[19:29] <hgrover> sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way
[19:29] <hgrover> http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS
[19:31] <dfarning_laptop> hgrover, myabes perfect
[19:31] <dfarning_laptop> the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:32] <hgrover> what is that?
[19:32] <dfarning_laptop> tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly
[19:33] <Anurag> is this why some of the other activities are not launching either
[19:34] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse
[19:35] <Anurag> o ok
[19:35] <dfarning_laptop> xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers.  It is being phased out and replaced with webkit
[19:36] <dfarning_laptop> ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem
[19:36] <hgrover> ahhh
[19:37] <dfarning_laptop> so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse
[19:37] <Anurag> oh i see
[19:38] <Anurag> myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me
[19:38] <Anurag> so I can add/change things if needed
[19:38] <hgrover> i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now
[19:38] <myabes> ok
[19:38] <dfarning_laptop> debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release.  so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest
[19:39] <hgrover> talk to you guys tomorrow!
[19:39] <dfarning_laptop> thanks guys
[19:39] <Anurag> o ok, any reason for the switch?
[19:39] <myabes> cya
[19:39] <Anurag> bye myabes and hgrover
[19:40] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it.  webkit is very good:)
[19:40] <Anurag> o ok got it
[19:41] <Anurag> david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out
[19:41] <Anurag> we want to make sure we cover as much as possible
[19:41] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it
[19:42] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps.
[19:42] <jelkner> #endmeeting
[19:42] <meeting> Meeting finished at 14:44.
[19:42] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100223_1341.html
[19:42] <jelkner> that was great!
[19:43] <caroline> :)
[19:43] <jelkner> thanks dfarning caroline!
[19:43] <jelkner> progress
[19:43] <jelkner> Anurag,
[19:43] <caroline> I din't do anything!
[19:43] <jelkner> thanks!
[19:43] <Anurag> yup no prob
[19:43] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, once lucid settles down, we can start to work in ernest on the packaging.
[19:43] <jelkner> i didn't get to read everything yet
[19:43] <jelkner> but henry was telling me what was going on
[19:44] <Anurag> k sounds good
[19:44] <dfarning_laptop> jelkner, ping me if you need me.  I grab the tiger by the tail when commiting to build the new also cluster.... now I am holding on with all my might:)
[19:45] <dfarning_laptop> I should be back to USR full time in about 2 weeks
[19:45] <dfarning_laptop> s/also/aslo/ :(
[19:46] <Anurag> alrite well I'm going to sign off, have a class in 30 min, but I'll send out a short email update tonight
[19:47] <satellit_> defarning_laptop: please e-mail when USR builds continue so I can help test...: )
[19:48] <dfarning_laptop> Anurag, thanks.  Even though it might seem slow going now.  once the knowledge in seeded in henry and michael it will grow quickly within the school.
[19:49] <dfarning_laptop> satellit_ will do
[19:49] <satellit_> : )


[05:04] <LiteOP> The list is building - but I need help to fill in the gaps. #ubports
[05:04] <LiteOP> https://forums.ubports.com/category/20/legacy-devices
[11:40] <brunch875> Is there any good bet to develop a cross-platform application which isn't just html5?
[11:41] <brunch875> it seems that qt-creator can do this... can it?
[14:08] <mardy> dobey: hi! I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/empty-page-1594944/+merge/298123, you are welcome to rebuild your silo
[14:09] <dobey> mardy: ok, i'll rebuild that and try again
[14:10] <dobey> mardy: either way, it seems like we won't be able to land this stuff for ota12, which is final freeze tomorrow
[14:20] <mardy> dobey: did it ever happen to you that the store scope returns a blank page, and it continues doing so until the U1 account is deleted (even persisting reboots)?
[14:22] <dobey> mardy: with the silo you mean?
[14:23] <mardy> dobey: yes
[14:24] <dobey> mardy: yes. there is some weird issue where the ubuntu-push signing-helper is hanging, which causes pay-service to block, which is probably blocking a call in the click scope. similar issue happens when pay-ui is closed, and the button just stays flashing "in progress" forever
[14:25] <dobey> haven't got to point of figuring that one out yet, unfortunately
[14:25] <mardy> dobey: ok; and have you seen my comment to bug 1594944?
[14:26] <mardy> dobey: any idea on why is the U1 token restored in the site, without having me to login again?
[14:27] <dobey> i didn't see the comments yet
[14:28] <dobey> mardy: that's very weird
[14:28] <dobey> mardy: i've been trying to test how it deals with an existing old style u1 account. so i clean flashed my phone, added the u1 account, then installed the silo, and i'm testing from that point, at the moment
[14:29] <dobey> i haven't tried revoking the token from the server side yet
[14:29] <dobey> since i haven't manged to replace the old secret stored token with a new one yet
[14:29] <mardy> dobey: ok. we might have to add a session migration script to clear the password, if you find some issues with it
[15:01] <mardy> renatu: hi! Did you have a chance to try silo 14? (bug 1593805)
[15:04] <renatu> mardy, not yet,the error only happens with bill, he will be back next week.
[15:05] <mardy> renatu: ok
[15:05] <renatu> mardy, thanks


[19:01] <phillw> pleia2: I did not understand that statement, just saw the rename of you on #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[19:01] <phillw> pleia2: ahh, thanks!
[20:06] <belkinsa> All: We now have a "workflow of the Doc Team" page ready to be reviewed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/temp_Manual  Most of the stuff was written by phillw and the others.  I added the Community Wiki Stuff.
[20:10] <phillw> belkinsa: that area was kept as it had the edit history. IIRC, it was copied out to the 'official' wiki area?
[20:10] <belkinsa> Oh, sorry.
[20:10]  * phillw goes dig email history....
[20:11] <belkinsa> I only added the Community Wiki stuff but didn't make any other changes.
[20:11] <belkinsa> But I added a comment where those addtions are added.
[20:13] <belkinsa> Then does it mean that is there is a official page of the workflow?
[20:17] <phillw> belkinsa: the transfer should be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[20:18] <belkinsa> Thanks, but I think that page is better then the one you linked.
[20:18] <belkinsa> Wait, it's the system doc one
[20:18] <belkinsa> Never mind.
[20:19] <phillw> belkinsa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuDesktopGuide
[20:20] <belkinsa> I guess I could work on a main page that can link all of the tools that we have.
[20:20] <belkinsa> And call it the "Workflow" page
[20:21] <belkinsa> So everything is in one place.
[20:22] <phillw> belkinsa: the page name I created was incorrect, as it had manual in the title. It was edited and then transferred over.   I think we might be only missing the sandbox wiki page guide.
[20:25] <belkinsa> Never mind again.  I'm now lost on what I said a while back and why I made that action item on the blueprint.
[20:25] <phillw> belkinsa: have a read through the email archive for the conversation that we had and what was discussed
[20:25] <belkinsa> Isn't this one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017759.html
[20:26] <belkinsa> Wait no
[20:26] <belkinsa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017762.html
[20:29] <phillw> belkinsa: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-September/017615.html
[20:30] <phillw> belkinsa: My memory is fuzzy, but the doc wiki was copied over from my sandbox area.
[20:30] <belkinsa> I see and sorry for making changes to that other page, I forgot that was your sandbox page
[20:31] <phillw> belkinsa: apologies are never needed! It was a fear that my keeping the history page would cause some one to go and edit it :(
[20:31] <phillw> I'll put a tag on it now.
[20:32] <belkinsa> Okay.
[20:32] <belkinsa> I guess I only need to make just one page for the sandbox wiki pages to explain them.
[20:33] <belkinsa> And maybe one one the Offline wiki, if anyone uses that method.
[20:34] <phillw> belkinsa: it is the system doc one! That is where it got moved to :D
[20:34] <belkinsa> I know, I'm taking about something else.
[20:36] <phillw> belkinsa: stop confusing me :P
[20:36] <belkinsa> Sorry.
[20:37] <phillw> np.
[20:47] <belkinsa> There, I said sorry over the mailing list.
[20:56] <phillw> belkinsa: it was one of my "stop discussing and actually do" moments. Several people were discussing how the page could be improved on. So, me being me, I took a copy of it to my area as a sandbox. There is never a need to apologise to me :D
[20:57] <belkinsa> Okay, it's just a bad habit that I have.  I say sorry too much.
[21:00] <phillw> belkinsa: It is because I call things clearly that I have had to resign from being ubuntu member.  I will state my views quite clearly. As to if I ever hold a grudge? when they put me together, they missed that part out. I could not hold a grudge if my life depended upon it.
[21:02] <phillw> but, this is offtopic... chat in #phillw
[21:13] <belkinsa> Yeah.