[03:37] <LALLY> ;-(
[03:38] <_tobias> reinstalling did it. thx alot.
[03:38] <LALLY> intelikey:where are you from???
[03:39] <intelikey> LALLY i'm an alian.
[03:39] <LALLY> wooooooow
[03:39] <LALLY> me to
[03:39] <LALLY> ^^
[03:39] <LALLY> i'm from mars
[03:39] <keb_> hey, can someone help me what should i do to run my winetools?
[03:39] <keb_> usr/local/bin/winetools: line 3300: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: Nincs ilyen fjl vagy knyvtr
[03:39] <intelikey> Jucato hehhe
[03:39] <keb_> Calls to wine are executed as  "wine".
[03:39] <keb_> Config is /home/keb/.wine/winetools.log.
[03:39] <keb_> /usr/local/bin/winetools: line 3211: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: Nincs ilyen fjl vagy knyvtr
[03:39] <keb_> /usr/local/bin/winetools: line 3242: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: Nincs ilyen fjl vagy knyvtr
[03:39] <keb_> /usr/local/bin/winetools: line 3026: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: Nincs ilyen fjl vagy knyvtr
[03:39] <keb_> it gives this error msg
[03:39] <Jucato> !paste | keb_
[03:39] <ubotu> keb_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:40] <LALLY> intelikey:...i'm not joking...where are you from?
[03:40] <keb_> at the end "Nincs ilyen fajl vagy konyvtar"= no such file or directory
[03:40] <intelikey> i am joking  :)
[03:41] <LALLY> i know
[03:41] <LALLY> -.-
[03:42] <LALLY> intelikey: soooooo???where are you from???
[03:42] <intelikey> oh sorry there was no inflection in that...    i am joking ?   :)
[03:42] <LALLY> -.--.-
[03:42] <LALLY> well
[03:42] <LALLY> ...
[03:43] <LALLY> i'm italian!!!
[03:44] <intelikey> !?.,:;'`"     :)
[03:44] <Tm_T> Hi kids.
[03:45] <Jucato> I should have locked that frontdoor... :)
[03:45] <LALLY> hi
[03:45] <Jucato> hi Tm_T sir :P
[03:45] <LALLY> bye
[03:45] <LALLY> bye
[03:45] <icheyne> has anyone used Duplicity for backups?
[03:46] <intelikey> LALLY most people don't like to give out personal information.   asl? asl? asl?   is a yahoo thing frowned upon in irc in general.   the information that they(we) want you do see is easy enough to obtain.   /whois blah
[03:47] <Jucato> intelikey: it's also an IRC (DALnet, Undernet, etc) thing...
[03:47] <BluesKaj> !hu
[03:47] <ubotu> Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #ubuntu-hu
[03:47] <Jucato> :)
[03:47] <LALLY> ok
[03:47] <LALLY> bye
[03:47] <LALLY> then
[03:47] <Jucato> and in some cases, they even go "nasl"...
[03:47] <Jucato> bye
[03:47] <keb_> ha segitene valaki probalnam
[03:48] <BluesKaj> intelikey, only kids ask for asl ..
[03:48] <intelikey> Jucato hmmm yeah prolly so.  on M$ oreinted channels  here maybe too
[03:48] <keb_> i would like to try ubuntu-hu but they're still
[03:48] <keb_> no one is in the omde to help
[03:48] <keb_> *mode
[03:49] <Jucato> if winetools is an official Wine project, you could also try in #wine
[03:49] <BluesKaj> ok, try to stick to english so someone can help you here , keb
[03:49] <intelikey> or #winehq  maybe...
[03:49] <Jucato> er yeah..
[03:49] <Jucato> lol sorry for the misdirection
[03:49] <keb_> ok, thx
[03:49] <keb_> nvm :)
[03:50] <keb_> the hungarian guys seems to be not very helpful
[03:50] <keb_> they're really annoying...
[03:50] <intelikey> almost like americians....  :)
[03:50] <keb_> nah, i got most time help from this channel
[03:50] <keb_> or from the german one
[03:51] <keb_> tough i never learned english and its hard for me to explain some things
[03:52] <intelikey> yes bable was certianly affective....
[03:52] <keb_> :D
[03:52] <keb_> true
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> I know at least one hungarian guy who knows loads of stuff and helps me with some difficult problems
[03:54] <ehird> running banshee loads and then just exits
[03:54] <ehird> ideas?
[03:54] <keb_> al they do is making fun of me..
[03:54] <keb_> *all
[03:54] <BluesKaj> looks like samba is a bit beyond my understanding ...tried komba ...it sees my network but there are no permissions
[03:54] <intelikey> anyone know a way to pass a variable from a script to the shell that called it ?
[03:56] <intelikey> BluesKaj something about adding self to workgroup.... i have no idea.  i'm network illiterate.   and maybe english illiterate also....
[03:56] <polter> how do I format a SD-Card with the FAT-filesystem?
[03:56] <intelikey> mkfs.vfat /dev/<blah>
[03:57] <intelikey> as root that ^ of course.
[03:57] <BluesKaj> well, I'm not terribly upset about it , intelikey ...someday I'll take the time
[03:57] <polter> intelikey: it says it contains a mounted filesystem.. how do I unmount?
[03:58] <intelikey> umount
[03:58] <Shaddar> anyone here using konversation / xchat ?
[03:58] <intelikey> polter sudo umount /dev/<blah>
[03:58] <intelikey> polter ahhh  usb ?
[03:58] <polter> intelikey: its a mamory-card reader
[03:59] <intelikey> you may have to umount /proc/usbfs   something like that...
[03:59] <polter> intelikey: dunno its internal connection
[03:59] <intelikey>  mount    will tell you.
[03:59] <Shaddar> Jucato: are there any possibilities to let koversation perform some commands after connecting to a network ?
[03:59] <instructor> Yup
[03:59] <polter> intelikey: well It worked to unmount using "umount  /dev/sde1"... what now?
[03:59] <intelikey>  /proc/bus/usbfs   i think that was....
[04:00] <intelikey> sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sde1
[04:00] <intelikey> that doesn't confirm so don't typo
[04:01] <intelikey> and "no error message" means  no error...    ready to mount.
[04:01] <polter> it worked! thanks a lot!
[04:02] <polter> I THINK it worked, that is :P
[04:02] <intelikey> as my old grand-dad used to say.   'thanks a million, until you are better paid'
[04:02] <dude_> abattoir !
[04:02] <polter> intelikey: that's not a bad way of putting it! :)
[04:02] <Jucato> Shaddar: I'm not really sure
[04:02] <abattoir> hello dude_
[04:02] <dude_> jucato !
[04:03] <intelikey> polter you'll prolly have to remount it to use it.
[04:03] <abattoir> dude_: are you a bot?
[04:03] <abattoir> :P
[04:03] <Jucato> hi dude_
[04:03] <dude_> hehehe
[04:03] <dude_> what is this error everytime i run kiba-dock "eryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0x3600006 to texture"
[04:03] <Jucato> abattoir: nah, he just has an auto-greet script :P
[04:03] <dude_> no auto greet script
[04:04] <Jucato> dude_: I was just kidding
[04:04] <dude_> :)
[04:04] <intelikey> jk
[04:04] <Shaddar> Jucato: what i want is, that koversation logs me in (for example performs "/msg nickserv identify <pw>" @ irc.freenode.net) automatically
[04:04] <Jucato> Shaddar: ah that one is possible :)
[04:05] <Shaddar> and especcially in another network, where the syntax is another (/msg chanserv auth <Nick> <pw>)
[04:05] <intelikey> Jucato you might know if konversation does or not.  but bx will automaticly look for a ~/.ircrc   and source it if it exists.
[04:05] <dude_> abattoir: what is this error everytime i run kiba-dock "eryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0x3600006 to texture"
[04:05] <Jucato> Shaddar: File -> Server list -> Edit -> Identity -> Edit
[04:06] <abattoir> dude_: sorry run neither that nor beryl... if it's not causing any problems, i'm pretty sure you can ignore it
[04:06] <Jucato> Shaddar: put "NickServ" in the service, and your password
[04:06] <BluesKaj> Shaddar, you do the identity and pw  editing in the server list
[04:07] <Shaddar> Jucato: this auto-idnetify requies the syntax of freenode-IRC
[04:07] <Shaddar> Jucato: i mean "/msg nickserv identify pw"
[04:07] <intelikey>  /msg nickserv identify <pass>
[04:07] <Jucato> Shaddar: it works on Freenode since I'm using it
[04:07] <Shaddar> Jucato: what i need is a syntax "/msg chanserv AUTH <nick> <pass>"
[04:08] <Jucato> ah chanserv?
[04:08] <Shaddar> yes
[04:08] <Jucato> hm...
[04:08] <intelikey> "runtime configuration" files.....
[04:09] <intelikey> ~/.<blah>rc
[04:09] <BluesKaj>  /msg nickserv identify "password"
[04:09] <SHRIKEE> why does the option for the monitor powersave not work?
[04:09] <hemant> how do you make it so that konversation opens up when you click on a link on firefox or konqueror
[04:10] <intelikey> right click ?
[04:10] <abattoir> hemant: you mean irc:// or do you mean the opposite?
[04:10] <polter> where in KDE can I configure autostart of programs?
[04:10] <Jucato> polter: ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:10] <BluesKaj> hemant,, WHY? ...just load it into the panel and it's available at all times
[04:10] <polter> Jucato: thanks
[04:10] <Shaddar> BluesKaj the problem is, that i want to register automatically in another irc-network (ogamenet) and the syntax is another (look above)
[04:10] <intelikey> and kcontrol
[04:11] <hemant> i mean like when you click on a link on the web like packetnews.com
[04:11] <abattoir> hemant: you mean an irc channel on that site?
[04:12] <hemant> yes
[04:12] <BluesKaj> yes , we all encounter those identity probs, Shaddar, it's the way some irc servers protect themselves from evil scripts
[04:12] <Jucato> Shaddar: have you tried the "password" field in auto-join channels list?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> or one of the ways
[04:13] <hemant> like when you search for a file on a browser and some some sites will copy the link when you click on it so that when you open konversation you can just paste i
[04:13] <hemant> it*
[04:13] <Shaddar> nope ... the auth-command isn't just a password :(
[04:13] <|joe|> i think i'll have to give konversation a try as irc client
[04:13] <|joe|> when it seems to be so popular :)
[04:13] <Shaddar> mIRC for example has an option "autoperform" where you can put all commands in, you want to have performed automatically after connecting
[04:13] <Jucato> ah
[04:13] <BluesKaj> i like it better than xchat or kopete
[04:13] <Shaddar> something similar would be perfect :D
[04:14] <|joe|> well i like kvirc at most
[04:14] <Jucato> Shaddar: well, I'm not really sure.. but maybe it has. you can try asking in #konversation if someone is around
[04:14] <|joe|> imho the best kde-ish client
[04:14] <|joe|> irc client of course
[04:14] <Shaddar> Jucato: k, thx :)
[04:14] <BluesKaj> yeah  perform the id message /msg nickserv etc...
[04:14] <Jucato> |joe|: which is slowly dying... (I think...)
[04:14] <intelikey> well i'll just stick with bx.   my .ircrc file can auto connect to what ever and log me in    all i do is add the string i want ran at start....   simple as     irc
[04:14] <|joe|> Jucato: may be true, but has all you need incl. scripting :)
[04:15] <abattoir> Shaddar: there is a 'Commands' field in the 'Edit Servers' window
[04:15] <Shaddar> BluesKaj nope ... /msg chanserv auth <nick> <pw> (other syntax than in freenode)
[04:15] <|joe|> Jucato: and i think regarding features its far ahead of any other program
[04:15] <BluesKaj> yes commands dbox in edit
[04:15] <Jucato> |joe|: konvi has scripting too :)
[04:15] <abattoir> Shaddar: File->Server List->Edit
[04:15] <|joe|> Jucato: oh, did not know sory :)
[04:15] <Jucato> :P
[04:15] <SHRIKEE> why does the option for the monitor powersave not work?
[04:15] <|joe|> Jucato: i tried it maybe year, half-year ago but was rather dissapointed at that time
[04:16] <Jucato> |joe|: like all (almost all) FOSS apps, it grows and matures over time
[04:16] <Jucato> :)
[04:16] <Shaddar> abattoir: tried this ^^ doesn't work :(
[04:16] <|joe|> Jucato: ok installing
[04:17] <abattoir> Shaddar: hmm, works for me :( , ok try asking at #konversation
[04:17] <|joe|> Jucato: i hope to be pleasantly suprised :)
[04:17] <Jucato> |joe|: well, I can't guarantee that :)
[04:17] <|joe|> Jucato: how come :)
[04:17] <Jucato> all I can guarantee is that Konvi is getting better and better
[04:17] <BluesKaj> Shaddar, it's not global, you have to type the command in for each server
[04:17] <Jucato> |joe|: YMMV
[04:17] <Shaddar> abattoir: after connecting i'm and not logged in user :( don't know why
[04:18] <SHRIKEE> i identified myu nick with the password field in the autologin dialog
[04:18] <SHRIKEE> works on multiple servers
[04:18] <Shaddar> BluesKaj yes, have typed it in the server it affects (and it doesn't work)
[04:18] <abattoir> Shaddar: you mean you are not being identified upon loggin in?
[04:19] <abattoir> *logging in
[04:19] <Shaddar> yes
[04:19] <SHRIKEE> maybe you put in the wrong service name
[04:19] <SHRIKEE> :P
[04:19] <SHRIKEE> which should be nickserv
[04:19] <Jucato> NickServ, not nickserv
[04:19] <SHRIKEE> i use nickserv
[04:19] <ehird> hah, yay, removing kubuntu-desktop just cause i wanna get rid of amarok
[04:19] <SHRIKEE> works
[04:19] <Jucato> hm...or maybe both works :P
[04:19] <abattoir> Jucato: nickserv works fine as well
[04:19] <robin_> is there a way to make grub look better?
[04:19] <Shaddar> i should get for example automatically op-rights in one channel ... but only if i'm logged in -> no op -> logging in hasn't worked :(
[04:19] <abattoir> Jucato: you have that intro to IRC classroom wiki link?
[04:20] <Jucato> abattoir: um.... :P
[04:20] <SHRIKEE> poor you
[04:20] <SHRIKEE> :P
[04:20] <abattoir> Jucato: we could show Shaddar that :P
[04:20] <Jucato> abattoir: but his/her question is probably client specific...
[04:20] <Shaddar> SHRIKEE: i'm not talking about NICKSERV ... other network, other bots
[04:20] <Shaddar> his ^^
[04:21] <Shaddar> Jucato: it's irc-network specific
[04:21] <Jucato> abattoir: this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[04:21] <intelikey> Shaddar nickserv and chanserv are seperate services.   you have to identify with nickserv before chanserv will listen to you then you have to let chanserv that you are "on-board" so it will op you.
[04:21] <Jucato> abattoir: I might be migrating those to blogger...
[04:22] <intelikey> basicly you have to hit them both.
[04:22] <LALLY> SORRRYYYYYYY?????????????
[04:23] <gflash> hi
[04:23] <intelikey>  line one. /msg nickserv identify blah      line two.  /msg chanserv identify channel blah
[04:23] <LALLY> IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS GOT aAMSN????
[04:23] <abattoir> Jucato: hmm, the pictures have gone
[04:23] <fdoving> LALLY: please drop the caps.
[04:23] <Jucato> !caps | LALLY
[04:23] <ubotu> LALLY: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:23] <LALLY> PLEAAAASSSOOEEEEEEEEE
[04:23] <abattoir> LALLY: please don't shout
[04:23] <gflash> how can i set the bitrate in KAudioCreator?
[04:23] <LALLY> OOK
[04:23] <Jucato> abattoir: what pictures?
[04:23] <Dr_willis> LALLY,  if they did - i imagine they wouldent tell you :)
[04:23] <BluesKaj> yes LALLY , i do what's the prob?
[04:23] <gflash> i cannot find an option for that
[04:24] <LALLY> HOW CAL I INSTALLL IT???
[04:24] <abattoir> Jucato: the screenshots which nixternal used in the wiki...
[04:24] <LALLY> can*
[04:24] <Jucato> abattoir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Intro2IRC
[04:24] <Dr_willis> lally use the package managers, search, click install.
[04:24] <Schalken> how can i do the equivelant of "iprelease" and "iprenew" in linux?
[04:24] <Dr_willis> !info amsn
[04:24] <abattoir> !amsn
[04:24] <Jucato> abattoir: I never embedded them in my page
[04:24] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[04:24] <LALLY> wherw are twhy??
[04:24] <BluesKaj> !aMSN
[04:24] <LALLY> they?
[04:25] <Shaddar> intelikey: in ogamenet i haven't registred with nickserv ;) http://www.onlinegamesnet.net/authRegHelp.php?language=en (at the bottom there's an explanation of the log-in-command)
[04:25] <LALLY> dr willis where are the package managers?
[04:25] <BluesKaj> LALLY, have you checked adept sources?
[04:25] <Schalken> how can i renew my IP in linux???
[04:25] <Dr_willis> lally now is the time to learn how to use the package manager, and read the kubuntu/ubuntu guides I think.    fire up adept, click the  right options and isntall.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> LALLY,  its right there in the menus...
[04:26] <LALLY> sorry but i'm itlaian could you speack  more simle please???
[04:26] <BluesKaj> !it
[04:26] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:26] <|joe|> Jucato: looks really neat; if kvirc dies i'll switch to konv :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> LALLY,  look in the menus.
[04:26] <LALLY> yes
[04:26] <intelikey> Shaddar networks are different...   kinda like people.  this network would work the example given.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> !it
[04:27] <Jucato> |joe|: I thought kvirc was already dead.hehehe! :)
[04:27] <Jucato> |joe|: I think most distros ship with Konvi by default now instead of kvirc
[04:27] <intelikey> default   pfft.
[04:27] <Shaddar> intelikey i know that it works this way ... but the auto-identify of konversation doesn't work with it ... so i need a auto-perform-option for commands :)
[04:28] <|joe|> Jucato: well i don't miss anything in kvirc so from my point of view there is not that much to develop :)
[04:28] <LALLY> then??
[04:28] <Shaddar> intelikey: auto-perform-option within konversation
[04:28] <MRMorefield-ft> how to watch my other harddisk?
[04:28] <MRMorefield-ft> ntfs partition
[04:28] <LALLY> dr willis??
[04:28] <intelikey> Shaddar like i first mentioned   look into a runtime configuration file.
[04:29] <|joe|> Jucato: btw on 11/04 3.2.5 was released, it's probably not that dead
[04:29] <Jucato> ah
[04:29] <abattoir> Nov. 2004?
[04:29] <abattoir> or 04 Nov. 2006? :P
[04:29] <Shaddar> intelikey: therefor i'm to unexperienced ... i would crash my hole system (if it's not possible i'll crash it anyway *ggg*)
[04:30] <intelikey> Shaddar like click the [help]  button and look for mention of startup files  or konversationrc  or even ircrc
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> kvirc has some nice features (you can see multiple channels at once for example)
[04:31] <intelikey> i can do that with bx
[04:31] <|joe|> well the scripting with event system is quite strong as well
[04:31] <hollywoodb> Shaddar: get your network card sorted out?
[04:32] <Shaddar> hollywoodb: yes ... after reinstalling twice and speaking about 1,5h with an experienced linux-user i've get it working ^^
[04:32] <Dr_willis> LALLY,  explore and learn the program. its not that hard to use.
[04:32] <|joe|> abattoir: 4.11.2006
[04:33] <LALLY> dr_willis sorry....but...what should i do after that i've opened package menu??
[04:33] <hollywoodb> Shaddar: figure out what the core problem was?
[04:33] <|joe|> abattoir: the best date i saw till now was 06/07/04 .... and now you can wonder ;-)
[04:34] <abattoir> |joe|: heh :P
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: Is that what apt sometimes asks ? (if you are doing something really dangerous)
[04:34] <|joe|> but isn't actually YYYY/MM/DD som iso standard?
[04:34] <intelikey> yep
[04:34] <Shaddar> hollywoodb: don't know why but my kubuntu doesn't accept the wep-key typed in the wlan-assistant (graphical menu) ... setting it by shell-command it worked -.-
[04:35] <hollywoodb> Shaddar: kwlanassisstant is currently kinda broken in Kubuntu
[04:35] <LALLY> intelikey i cant found aMSN it te window
[04:35] <hollywoodb> Shaddar: bug 64841
[04:35] <hollywoodb> ...
[04:35] <intelikey> |joe|  06/07/04  would not be  YYYY/MM/DD   MM/DD/YY
[04:35] <hollywoodb> !bug 64841
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug 64841 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <hollywoodb> http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841
[04:35] <hollywoodb> screw you ubotu
[04:36] <Shaddar> hollywoodb: i've typed the same things as 1 week ago ... now it doesn't work, 1 week ago it worked *shrug*
[04:36] <keb_> does someone know how can i get a working port for my frostwire?
[04:36] <intelikey> |joe| or possably YY/MM/DD   but not likely.
[04:36] <|joe|> intelikey: i know, but there is YYYY/DD/MM as well
[04:36] <intelikey> yes there is
[04:36] <intelikey> but the number of letters is dirrectly reletated to the number of digits
[04:37] <|joe|> intelikey: :) ok i'm not that dumb :)
[04:37] <intelikey> i.e.   YYYY = 2006   YY = 06
[04:37] <intelikey> and if it's YY  then YY is last.
[04:37] <intelikey> unless someone hacks it.
[04:37] <|joe|> intelikey: those messages ie 06/07/04 and YYYY/MM/DD were kinda unrelated
[04:38] <intelikey> oh
[04:38] <intelikey> then be cohearent so we can tell what you are talking about !
[04:38] <intelikey> lol
[04:38] <Shaddar> |joe|: take a look at qry plz :)
[04:39] <|joe|> Shaddar: well i answered already :)
[04:39] <|joe|> intelikey: sorry for confusion :)
[04:39] <Shaddar> |joe|: hm oO i've not received your answer oo
[04:39] <intelikey> np   just a momentary diversion....
[04:44] <ToyMan> anyone here use karm?
[04:45] <intelikey> colour me stupid,  but is it possable to burn iso9660 on dvd-r media ?
[04:45] <ToyMan> its refusing to save any of my projects in karm.ics
[04:46] <|joe|> intelikey: i think it should be, but for dvd it's usual to burn udf isn't it
[04:46] <howess02> hello, can anyone tell me how to make konquer not hide everything but my home dir and the media dir when browsing / on 6.10 , ta in advanced
[04:46] <intelikey> |joe| yeah but i don't have a dvd burner.
[04:49] <ToyMan> howess02: the other dir. show in the side panel that comes up when you press F9, i believe
[04:49] <ToyMan> for some reason the media list is more complete there
[04:50] <ToyMan> not sure what that change is about in 6.10, I don't really understand how it's more user-friendly
[04:50] <Jucato> !hidden-root | ToyMan
[04:50] <ubotu> ToyMan: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:50] <howess02> ta
[04:51] <intelikey> Jucato what did they do change the perms on /* ???
[04:52] <ToyMan> ah Jucato, thank you..
[04:52] <Jucato> intelikey: no
[04:52] <intelikey> then ls /   should still look normal
[04:52] <ToyMan> i suppose from a user-perspective, it's better that way
[04:53] <Jucato> intelikey: no. but ls -al  / should
[04:53] <ToyMan> damn, why won't karm save my tasks anymore??
[04:53] <Jucato> just read the link...
[04:53] <howess02> sorry I have done that maybe I was unclear I have the side bar but when I click on the red folder (root or /) it stil lonly shows me /home and /media
[04:53] <howess02> is this as new feature as I did not use to have this in 3.5 on suse or gentoo
[04:53] <Jucato> !hidden-root | howess02
[04:53] <ubotu> howess02: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:53] <howess02> thank you
[04:54] <intelikey> i don't like to have to use elinks...... and links don't do https ............    ;/

[04:54] <h3sp4wn> links2
[04:54] <intelikey> h3sp4wn yes links2 ^
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> links2 does https for me here - just tested it
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> !info links2 dapper
[04:55] <ubotu> links2: Web browser running in both graphics and text mode. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1pre20-2 (dapper), package size 1969 kB, installed size 3184 kB
[04:56] <intelikey> h3sp4wn doesn't here.   dapper also.
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> I am not using it on dapper - try a simple sid backport (its not a complicated package)
[04:57] <intelikey> no thinks.   i see no reason to start breaking packages today.  that's a monday and tuesday project.
[04:57] <intelikey> and wedensday
[04:58] <intelikey> well only days that end with ay
[04:58] <|joe|> intelikey: today
[04:58] <|joe|> ;-)
[04:58] <intelikey> friday
[04:58] <intelikey> saturday
[04:58] <intelikey> ....
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> Its working pretty well for me (alot more stable than it was - I think it got a new maintainer recently)
[04:59] <h3sp4wn> Only real issue I have with it is that if you use directfb it uses the first line it finds in /etc/fb.modes (so I had to hack that a bit)
[05:00] <intelikey> so bash reads the /.hidden also ???
[05:01] <intelikey> if so that stinks worse than i thought...
[05:01] <Jucato> intelikey: yes. it doesn't affect paths
[05:01] <Jucato>  /.hidden only affects displays
[05:02] <delight> intelikey simply mv .hidden .hiddenbackup ; touch .hidden  and all is like it used to be
[05:02] <delight> so no biggi to begin with
[05:02] <Jucato> not the proper way to do it, but ti works
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> That is a microsoft like thing to do hide files from the user
[05:02] <intelikey> i know it doesn't affect path/s
[05:02] <Jucato> wow another $1 for me!
[05:03] <delight> ;) true ... this way u make sure kubuntu - settings is not reenabling the feauture on a update
[05:03] <davidenik> hi guys
[05:03] <intelikey> delight if i had edgy i'd fix bash whether it deleted /.hidden or not.
[05:03] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: have you seen .kde ?
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> For people who expect a computer to have more common sense than they do
[05:03] <MRMorefield-ft> how do you mount a disk?
[05:03] <MRMorefield-ft> mnt?
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: What is in the folder ? I have changed things in it manually before
[05:03] <delight> mount
[05:03] <delight> not mnt
[05:03] <MRMorefield-ft> ok
[05:04] <MRMorefield-ft> and how do i find al the disk on my computer?
[05:04] <delight> fdisk -l
[05:04] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: it's a hidden folder where KDE keeps user settings. omg! it's hidden. it's a microsoft thing! oh, GNOME has some too.
[05:04] <MRMorefield-ft> ok
[05:04] <delight> lol
[05:04] <Jucato> darn Linux people hiding .files in /home...
[05:04] <MRMorefield-ft> yes
[05:04] <xsacha> LOL
[05:04] <MRMorefield-ft> there are manny hidden folders
[05:05] <intelikey> h3sp4wn hehhe  "For people who expect a computer to have more common sense than they do"  <---  my fav. was "for people with more dollars than sense"
[05:05] <xsacha> damn kubuntu.. hiding root folders in konqueror
[05:05] <Jucato> omg! there are? Linux must be turning microsoft!
[05:05] <delight> xsacha said it b4 simple mv .hidden .hiddenbackup ; touch .hidden
[05:06] <Jucato> !hidden | delight
[05:06] <ubotu> delight: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:06] <delight> jucato i know that side
[05:06] <Jucato> that works, too, thouhg
[05:06] <Jucato> err though*
[05:06] <ShamanPL> witojcie
[05:06] <delight> I like the hidden folders but ;) i don't like that konquerors tree view won't browse on hidden folders
[05:06] <delight> so that was no good for me
[05:06] <intelikey> ! mv .hidden .hiddenbackup      rm /.hidden
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mv .hidden .hiddenbackup      rm /.hidden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <Jucato> oh, OS X also does this hidden-root thing... omg it's turning microsoft too!
[05:06] <intelikey> why have a useless symlink there....
[05:07] <Jucato> delight: that's a bug, sasdly
[05:07] <Jucato> intelikey: upgrading kubuntu-default-settings will reinstall /.hidden if you delete it
[05:07] <delight> Jucato its valid since quite a view versions in kde
[05:07] <delight> did not know that is a bug
[05:07] <BluesKaj> that factoids page is about as useful as tits on bull
[05:07] <delight> thought its what it should be
[05:07] <delight> besides that the hidden-folder idea is great
[05:08] <intelikey> not if you : > /.hidden  it wont.   and also there are other ways of keeping it from doing that.
[05:08] <delight> BluesKaj maybe the bull would be happy about some tits :-D
[05:08] <hollywoodb> that's actually kind of neat... as long as the don't do it with terminal emulator & console ;)
[05:08] <BluesKaj> oops, forgot this is family chat ...my apologies!
[05:08] <Jucato> intelikey: basically either break the link or empty the file, but not delete it
[05:08] <BluesKaj> yeah a gay bull ,. maybe :)
[05:09] <delight> gay bull liking tits ?
[05:09] <Jucato> !language
[05:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:09] <delight> gay bull needs more butts ... lol
[05:09] <delight> :-D
[05:09] <delight> anyways way to offtopic
[05:09] <BluesKaj> some like to play the feminine role
[05:09] <delight> misguided ones
[05:10] <intelikey> Jucato i don't think you saw what i said.   in answer to mv /.hidden /.hiddenbackup ;touch /.hidden     i said not mv but rm   no reason to keep a useless symlink lying around in /
[05:10] <delight> intelikey i don't like deleting
[05:10] <delight> ;)
[05:10] <delight> unless its some core dump file
[05:11] <Jucato> intelikey: like I said, if you rm /.hidden, it will be reinstalled if kubuntu-default-settings if updated
[05:11] <intelikey> Jucato no it wont.
[05:11] <intelikey> Jucato no it wont.
[05:11] <intelikey> Jucato no it wont.
[05:11] <delight> jucato thats why i mentioned the touch .hidden
[05:11] <intelikey> that's what the touch /.hidden   prevents.
[05:11] <Jucato> intelikey: "Deleting the /.hidden link is not a permanent solution, as it will be restored during the next update of the kubuntu-desktop-setting package."
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> Well that package has a bug then
[05:11] <delight> true
[05:11] <BluesKaj> Is there a way for a windows pc to "see" a linux OS and files on a network ?
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> stuff like that should not be done if you don't use confmiss
[05:12] <Jucato> ok, you didn't mention that you'd still touch it
[05:12] <fdoving> BluesKaj: samba.
[05:12] <delight> so anyone of u got crashing konqueror on first right click on folders / files ?
[05:12] <keb_> tough Samba is not easy to configure..
[05:12] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: the idea is that you should change everything inside /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/
[05:12] <delight> somtimes its that sometimes I get a error messsage about Dcopserver ... and others its about an entry in ???spanish??? about kdesvn
[05:13] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: messing with the symlink just makes a big mess.
[05:13] <BluesKaj> samba is beyond my ability to config atm ...I took a look at the config file and it's mostly gobbledygook to me :(
[05:13] <icheyne> how do I get documentation for my kde apps? when I click Help, the documentation usually isn't there.
[05:13] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: in /etc/kubuntu-default-settings, 'mv hidden-root hidden-root.bak;touch hidden-root'
[05:13] <fdoving> that's a proper solution.
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> According to man dpkg - it should not be changed if a file is deleted
[05:14] <fdoving> it wont, it's not a file, it's a symlink.
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> Symlinks also
[05:14] <intelikey> Jucato it is true that i (purposely) omited reposting the second command the first time.  but i did mention it when you misread me.  remember the   : > /.hidden    <<--- thats better than touch  imo  for that usage.      and the reason i didn't address it.  i though all would see that i was only pointing out that a "useless symlink in /"  was imo not desireable.        can we move on now ?
[05:14] <h3sp4wn> there is no way it should be put back unless explicitly requested
[05:14] <ehird> why isn't svn in the repos
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> ehird: subversion
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> ehird: (is the name of the package)
[05:15] <delight> its in there ii  subversion                                 1.3.2-3ubuntu2                       advanced version control system (aka. svn)
[05:15] <ehird> is that the client
[05:15] <h3sp4wn> yep
[05:15] <khirr> !webcam
[05:15] <ehird> thanks :)
[05:15] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:17] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: that is not true for most packages. /.hidden is not threated as a config file. /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root is.
[05:17] <intelikey> fdoving do you happen to know what was done to bash to get it to use the /.hidden ?    /etc/bash.bashrc  or something ?
[05:17] <fdoving> bbl eat.
[05:17] <guglielf> hi, anybody knows if nubuntu has a live cd as (k)ubuntu?
[05:17] <fdoving> intelikey: bash doesn't honour .hidden on my system.
[05:17] <BluesKaj> !nubuntu
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <intelikey> fdoving ok i was told that it did.....
[05:18] <guglielf> nubuntu is a security distro based on ubuntu
[05:18] <BluesKaj> !info nubuntu
[05:18] <ubotu> Package nubuntu does not exist in any distro I know
[05:18] <guglielf> mmm not a package afaik
[05:19] <guglielf> http://www.nubuntu.org/about.php
[05:19] <BluesKaj> never heard of it guglielf
[05:19] <guglielf> ok, thanx BluesKaj
[05:19] <intelikey> "nubuntu is a security distro based on ubuntu" <--- why would there be a package of a distro blueskaj ?
[05:21] <khirr> i cant run adept to can install, that show me"other procces runing" how can i kill that process?
[05:21] <BluesKaj> irc.kaffeinenet.com #nubuntu
[05:21] <h3sp4wn> May be more useful as a live cd - but to make it as secure as for example openbsd - it would be loads of work
[05:21] <guglielf> yaeh i saw the channel, anyone there though
[05:21] <BluesKaj> now i've heard of it :)
[05:21] <khirr> ?
[05:21] <guglielf> heheh
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> grml is a pretty good security based live cd
[05:24] <intelikey> khirr for Q in dpkg apt-get adept ;do sudo killall $Q ;done
[05:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, guglielf i see what you mean ...nobody there
[05:26] <guglielf> btw, what's factoids?
[05:26] <khirr> what should i write exactly?
[05:26] <intelikey> the stuff that ubotu pukes out.
[05:26] <khirr> i'm noobie T_T
[05:26] <intelikey> !ubotu
[05:26] <intelikey> hmmm net split.
[05:27] <MenZa> ...
[05:28] <brosioz> how could i allow my user to write into /var/www ??
[05:28] <intelikey> chown or chmod
[05:28] <intelikey> add user to group
[05:28] <intelikey> mmmmm maybe other ways.
[05:29] <brosioz> intelikey: to group www
[05:29] <brosioz> i have alredy try
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> I would make a group that needs to write there
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> 470 permissions
[05:29] <Shaddar> hm, requires freenode any options to let me connect to ? with mirc in windows on my desktop-pc no prob, with konv on my laptop the same nick is invalid (according to server-window
[05:29] <intelikey> brosioz ls -ld /var/www   see the owner and group and perms there.
[05:30] <brosioz> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-11-08 23:11 /var/www
[05:31] <intelikey> well we're back again...
[05:31] <Jucato> ah there
[05:31] <intelikey> :)
[05:31] <Firetech> Massjoin!
[05:31] <instructor> Right
[05:32] <instructor> Wot
[05:32] <instructor> D
[05:32] <Jucato> net blast, technically
[05:32] <hollywoodb> I wanna ride it again!
[05:32] <instructor> Hell?
[05:32] <ehird> NET SPLIT!!!!
[05:32] <ehird> :D :D :D :D :D
[05:32] <Jucato> net split/net blast
[05:32] <guglielf> yeah, what a quantum leap
[05:32] <ehird> REVERSE!
[05:32] <intelikey> yeah check the server messages they warned about ti.
[05:32] <ehird> NET!
[05:32] <ehird> SPLIT!
[05:32] <intelikey> it
[05:32] <ehird> :D:D:D:D:D:D
[05:32] <ehird> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[05:33] <intelikey> hollywood    hehhe
[05:33] <intelikey> one more again !    one more again !
[05:33] <Jucato> lol
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> People don't ignore join parts quits ?
[05:34] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: not me
[05:34] <Jucato> not me
[05:34] <intelikey> h3sp4wn i don't .....   i blabber so much; i hate to set and talk to a dust trail for thirty minutes and wonder why they stopped answering....  :)
[05:34] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: how else would you know when the person you are talking to disappears and doesn't read your message?
[05:34] <guglielf> intelikey, you said '!ubotu'... is that an irc cmd?
[05:34] <khirr> i cant use adept
[05:34] <khirr> (:(
[05:35] <intelikey> !ubotu
[05:35] <intelikey> still no bot.
[05:35] <intelikey> guglielf yes
[05:35] <guglielf> tnx
[05:35] <hollywoodb> !enter
[05:35] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: Someone else probably would tell you (I think talking to youself occasionally is worse the vast decrease in spam to the screen)
[05:35] <icheyne> !netsplit
[05:35] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[05:35] <intelikey> oh maybe i lost my ident.
[05:35] <guglielf> !ubotu
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: plus if they leave the tab completion stops
[05:35] <guglielf> ohoh
[05:36] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: I usually type long messagen, and it happens quite often that the person disappears while I'm typing...
[05:36] <intelikey> !bot
[05:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl  -  Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:36] <intelikey> that's better.
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> !sbuild
[05:36] <ubotu> sbuild: Tool for building Debian binary packages from Debian sources. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.50 (edgy), package size 78 kB, installed size 368 kB
[05:37] <intelikey> h3sp4wn tab completion is ok but some clients can hide from it....  it's not as affective as seeing the part message.
[05:37] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: my client also has a split view mode that shows status messages in one box and text messages in another, but I don't use it.
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> I don't use the status window at al
[05:38] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: status = join, part, quit, and I mean in the same window, just split horizontally
[05:38] <intelikey> however dual head systems do have an advantage there.....
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: status as in the irssi status window
[05:39] <khirr> !systemguard
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about systemguard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <khirr> !system guard
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system guard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <intelikey> !ksysguard
[05:39] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 485 kB, installed size 1564 kB
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: If I could get it so that only depart messages from people I had been talking to were displayed - I would use that
[05:41] <intelikey> hehhe nice part "-:- SignOff CVirus: #kubuntu ("I am Somebody Who is No Business of Yours !")"
[05:41] <Firetech> yay... kio_http is dead while I'm upgrading to edgy... can't surf with konqueror
[05:41] <guglielf> hey this bot entity is quite amazing
[05:41] <intelikey> anyone else getting ver'd ?
[05:42] <Jack1_> hi guys
[05:42] <intelikey> >>> freenode-connect [freenode@freenode/bot/connect]  requested VERSION
[05:42] <guglielf> hi jack1_
[05:42] <Jucato> intelikey: yep
[05:42] <Firetech> intelikey: yup
[05:43] <intelikey> i guess services were as upset by the ride as some people...
[05:43] <Jucato> I'm presuming all of us get ctcp'ed... I'd be insulted if intelikey was the only one who did :P
[05:43] <intelikey> Jucato i was thinking maybe only one server load.....  :)
[05:44] <Jack1_> i got a prob I tried to dist upgrad to edgy eft and all went fine, thing was, laptop switched itself off, tried again, now there is no space left on /dev/sda5 (100% use) and i cannot longin any more even in failsafe, tried to delete via console login but i dont really know what to do
[05:44] <Jack1_> short: login is not possible as /dev/sda5 is 100% full
[05:44] <Jack1_> someone help?
[05:45] <intelikey> Jack1_ in the console do a apt-get clean
[05:45] <intelikey> err sudo apt-get clean
[05:45] <Jack1_> intelikey: i did
[05:45] <Jack1_> intelikey: didnt help
[05:46] <intelikey> what size partition/file system we talking about sda5 ?
[05:46] <intelikey> also where is sda5 mounted ?
[05:46] <intelikey> mount will answer the later and df -h the former
[05:47] <Jack1_> hmm intelikey A COUPLE OF GBdont know for sure, its mounted on /tmp i think
[05:48] <brad_> Hi  all.  for some unknown reason, my kopete and gaim disconnect from msn and google talk without warning.  All my contacts look like they're online, and the icon shows me as being online, but i am not.  any ideas?
[05:49] <intelikey> Jack1_ if it's /tmp do a umount /tmp and format it and remount.     as root.    umount /tmp && mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda5 && mount /tmp             tell me if any of that errors out.
[05:49] <khirr> how can i desactivate the option sesion restaure
[05:50] <intelikey> khirr run kcontrol and ask Jucato    :)
[05:50] <Jucato> O_O
[05:50] <intelikey> lol
[05:50] <Jucato> khirr: Dapper or Edgy?
[05:50] <intelikey> you that kde guy
[05:50] <Jack1_> i'll check it but thereforesry
[05:50] <khirr> dapper
[05:51] <Jucato> khirr: hm.. I'm not sure where it is in Dapper. but in System Settings look for Session Manager
[05:51] <khirr> i'll try
[05:51] <khirr> i think,m i found
[05:51] <khirr> i'll try restart
[05:52] <major_stitch> I'm sorry to bother with a question but I'm using Kubuntu 6.06 and would like to try Ubuntu 6.06, how can I add my Ubuntu CD as a repository so I can install ubuntu-desktop package?
[05:52] <guglielf> kcontrol >> kde components  >> session manager
[05:52] <intelikey> major_stitch sudo apt-cdrom add
[05:53] <Jucato> presuming that he has the Alternate Install CD
[05:53] <major_stitch> I have the live install
[05:53] <Jucato> Desktop CD? that won't work
[05:54] <major_stitch> doesn't it also have the ubuntu-desktop package?
[05:54] <Jucato> no
[05:54] <major_stitch> that's the only thing I actually need
[05:54] <major_stitch> so I'll just have to download?
[05:54] <intelikey> major_stitch dialup ?
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> You can mount the squashfs partition if you want (but getting it clean would be a pain)
[05:54] <Jucato> major_stitch: ubuntu-desktop will also download and install *everything* that is needed to run Ubuntu/GNOME
[05:55] <intelikey> slow slow   or limited  connection ?
[05:55] <major_stitch> broadband, but I would like it to be faster...
[05:55] <major_stitch> it isn't a real problem to download
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> I think ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc include far too many things
[05:55] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: there are no .deb packages on the Desktop CD, so no way you could get ubuntu-desktop
[05:55] <major_stitch> but i figured if i have the cd than why download?
[05:55] <major_stitch> thanks
[05:55] <zeck> por favor. qual o canal de ajuda em portugues?
[05:55] <Jucato> !pt | zeck
[05:55] <ubotu> zeck: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[05:55] <zeck> obrigado!
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: You could look in /var/lib/dpkg/ and put the stuff into your running system
[05:56] <intelikey> then just do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop    or   sudo apt-get install gnome
[05:56] <zeck> ubuntu-br
[05:56] <major_stitch> i will
[05:56] <major_stitch> thanks anyway
[05:57] <major_stitch> the best thing about X/K/Ubuntu is the support, you people really are great...any problem is solved much quicker than with any other distro!
[05:57] <polter> hey everyone! how do I set firefox as preferred webbrowser?
[05:57] <intelikey> note that both are meta packages (they just have dependancies nothing more)  and will install somewhat different packages
[05:58] <major_stitch> polter: are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[05:58] <polter> Kubuntu
[05:58] <Jucato> polter: System Settings -> Default Applications (in Edgy)
[05:58] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: All expresso does is copy the contents of the squashfs (its not a very intelligent installer) so it is by no means impossible
[05:58] <khirr> follow without can u adept...
[05:59] <intelikey> back adder while maybe.
[05:59] <major_stitch> System Settings -> KDE Components -> Default Applications in Dapper
[05:59] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: for a fresh install. but he wants to install ubuntu-desktop on an already existing Kubuntu installation
[05:59] <intelikey> oh wait.  maybe i better idle a bit.  that guy with the full disk may need more info.
[05:59] <otaku-san> major_stitch: I was just about to post that!  Talk about overkill eh? ;)
[05:59] <major_stitch> :)
[05:59] <Jucato> hehe
[06:00] <Jucato> major_stitch: thanks for posting it. I forgot their places on Dapper :)
[06:00] <major_stitch> np...
[06:00] <otaku-san> Jucato: Hey how are you?
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: So ? makes no difference - just work out what it is going to install - copy the relevant files over and the relevant parts of /var/lib/dpkg/info
[06:01] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: try telling him that then.
[06:01] <major_stitch> h3sp4wn: I would want it as simple as possible...download is mroe simple than lurking through the cd
[06:03] <major_stitch> :D
[06:03] <major_stitch> I'm still mostly a win user
[06:03] <major_stitch> i've been using linux for a while but can't really switch...
[06:03] <Jucato> interesting is interesting only if it works...
[06:03] <otaku-san> h3sp4wn: whats causing all the commotion?
[06:03] <keb_> on my windows there is only a directx and a game
[06:04] <major_stitch> Jucato: thanks :)
[06:04] <otaku-san> major_stitch: what are you married to in windoze?
[06:04] <major_stitch> otaku-san: nope :D
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> otaku-san: nothing really - I should just dist-upgrade to feisty I think
[06:04] <major_stitch> feisty?
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu+1 repos are now open
[06:04] <keb_> if i can get the game work with wine i'll have another partition to store my stuff xD
[06:05] <major_stitch> all: thnaks for all the info! gotta run!
[06:05] <otaku-san> h3sp4wn: and you would accomplish this how?
[06:05] <otaku-san> major_stitch: see ya
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> otaku-san: change all instances of edgy to feisty
[06:05] <Jack1_> hi intelikey
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> otaku-san: dist-upgrade
[06:06] <otaku-san> h3sp4wn: ummmmm ya...but edgy just came out...feisty isn't even able to be used yet...right?  or am I behind
[06:06] <Jack1_> it says 21 Gb /dev/sda5 on /  type is ext3  intelikey
[06:06] <intelikey> Jack1_ yes
[06:07] <intelikey> eeeek
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> otaku-san: I ran edgy pretty much from the beginning
[06:07] <howess02> hello I have an odd problem right now totem and kaffine wont play wmv files but mplayer will, yet kaffine points to lib/codecs where the wmv codec is can anyone advise me as I cant find anyhelp in google
[06:07] <intelikey> and you have 21g full ?
[06:07] <Jack1_> intelikey:  on /dev/sda1 is windows
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> otaku-san: I have a statically linked version of X 7.2 in /opt and e17 in /opt
[06:07] <Jack1_> intelikey:  i dont wanna loose
[06:08] <Jack1_> intelikey: apparently i dont get it too
[06:08] <Jack1_> intelikey:  i had several times to stop the upgrading maybe cos of that?
[06:08] <intelikey> Jack1_  du -Lchx --max-depth=1 /
[06:08] <xsacha> is 7.2 released or.. still in development?
[06:08] <h3sp4wn> Its a release candidate actually
[06:09] <Jack1_> intelikey:  shall i enter that in console? what does it do?
[06:09] <otaku-san> h3sp4wn: oh...crazy person....once I get this box into a more test situation I'll beta test like that...but right now I'm to dependent on a stable box to pull off that?
[06:09] <otaku-san> and why did I end that with a question mark....?
[06:10] <intelikey> Jack1_ yes enter that     and no no no...  you posted ^ "/dev/sda5 on /  type is ext3"  that means it's not windows it's ext3 and mounted as the root of the system.   so lets see where the space went.
[06:10] <intelikey> Jack1_ also it's likely that windows will be on /dev/sda1
[06:10] <howess02> any ideas I am using 6.10 ubuntu
[06:11] <Jack1_> no intelikey win is on dev/sda  /media or so..i wanted to say i dont wanna loose it, otherwise i'd do a fresh new install
[06:12] <Jack1_> intelikey: there is evrytime one space between right in the code?
[06:12] <intelikey> Jack1_ /dev/sda is the disk.   if you can get windows to live there you should have no trubble fixing your pinguin.    /dev/sda[1-16]  are parditions
[06:12] <intelikey>  du -Lchx --max-depth=1 /
[06:12] <intelikey> just like that ^
[06:13] <Jack1_> well i cannot do cut n paste i'm in win, so i need to write it down, thats why i ask
[06:13] <Jack1_> ok cu soon
[06:13] <intelikey> even add    | less     to the end,  if the output is messy.
[06:13] <instructor> !flash
[06:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:14] <instructor> !flash9
[06:14] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[06:14] <guglielf> !god
[06:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about god - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <guglielf> lol
[06:16] <ubuntu> hello
[06:16] <lnxkde> hi
[06:16] <intelikey> lnxkde
[06:16] <lnxkde> I have a em64t pc
[06:16] <lnxkde> does edgy has a smp kernel for it?
[06:16] <intelikey> yep
[06:17] <lnxkde> intelikey: yes? not just a generic one?
[06:17] <lnxkde> Pentium D here
[06:17] <trappist> lnxkde: the generic kernel supports smp.  it's not a separate kernel anymore.
[06:18] <intelikey> lnxkde yes it's generic smp
[06:18] <lnxkde> intelikey: trappist should I use amd64 version?
[06:18] <instructor> !myself
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <|lostbyte|> Does ipod mini support video ?
[06:18] <instructor> |lostbyte|: Only mini videos
[06:19] <lnxkde> I need java and flash...
[06:19] <instructor> intelikey: The Generic is for ump and SMP ?
[06:19] <trappist> lnxkde: if you haave an amd64 chip and don't need to run 32bit code (like flash, acroread, w32codecs and so on) or you know how to make them work on amd64, sure
[06:19] <instructor> !restricted > lnxkde
[06:19] <trappist> instructor: yes
[06:19] <Kervan> Some one help me please i habe epson LX300+ printer but i can not print at kubuntu
[06:19] <intelikey> instructor that's what i hear.
[06:19] <Wulong> How do I disable print screen button for running ksnapshot ?
[06:19] <trappist> lnxkde: it takes some work to make those work on amd64.  probably better off with i386
[06:20] <lnxkde> I have done it before.
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> lnxkde: There is a 64 bit java now - and if you use swiftfox for amd64 it is actually a 32 bit app so you can use flash
[06:20] <lnxkde> but I am not goingt to have any time for some months
[06:20] <|lostbyte|> instructor, how about ipod nano ?
[06:20] <trappist> h3sp4wn: there's 64 bit java, but last I heard still no 64 bit java *plugin*
[06:20] <lnxkde> maybe I will be able to work on my pc for 4 hrs a day
[06:20] <lnxkde> that is kind of depressing for me
[06:20] <lnxkde> but well I have to do it.
[06:20] <instructor> |lostbyte|: Yeah it does but you have to squint a lot :)
[06:20] <|lostbyte|> oh ok.
[06:21] <Kervan> Some one help me please i habe epson LX300+ printer but i can not print at kubuntu
[06:21] <eilker> b
[06:22] <eilker> hi people, i have a hp 5610 printer, how will i add it to system , could anyone tell me the way ?
[06:22] <|lostbyte|> instructor, but thats only on the linux version of it ?
[06:23] <eilker> !printer >eilker
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> trappist: understood - but if you are using a 32 bit browser anyway (for flash) you can use the ibm 32 bit jdk (its statically linked)
[06:23] <instructor> Well you could use ipod vi it's a bit more functional but has no easy wheel :(
[06:23] <trappist> h3sp4wn: true
[06:24] <lnxkde> I need java for programing...
[06:24] <lnxkde> not browsing..
[06:24] <lnxkde> I need netbeans on my 64 pc
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> Well the sun 64 bit java should work fine for that then
[06:25] <otaku-san> !printer
[06:25] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:26] <intelikey> Jack1_ what have we learned there ?
[06:26] <egonw_> hi all...
[06:27] <egonw_> the upgrade to edgy disabled my swap... how can I enable it again?
[06:27] <intelikey> are you sure ?
[06:27] <egonw_> my fstab now says things with UUID which I have never seen before... help please...
[06:27] <egonw_> intelikey: yes, got a lockup minutes ago...
[06:27] <egonw_> had to reboot :(
[06:27] <Jucato> !UUID | egonw_
[06:27] <ubotu> egonw_: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid"
[06:27] <Jack1_> intelikey: sry i friend syked me couldnt check
[06:28] <egonw_> ok, that's interesting...
[06:28] <egonw_> this line:
[06:28] <egonw_>  /dev/evms/hda2: TYPE="swsuspend" UUID="4a277fe5-2dc2-4ce4-a47d-23d5955c357b"
[06:28] <egonw_> seems to indicate that my swap is now used as suspend partition... correct?
[06:28] <Jucato> that should be type swap...
[06:29] <trappist> egonw_: swsuspend means software suspend
[06:29] <egonw_> trappist: yeah... figured that out... and happy that that is working now...
[06:30] <egonw_> trappist: but prefer to have a swap ...
[06:30] <egonw_> well... better both of course
[06:30] <egonw_> but at least a swap
[06:30] <egonw_> Jucato: how can I make the type 'swap' again?
[06:31] <Jucato> egonw_: maybe trappist knows... :(
[06:31] <intelikey> cfdisk /dev/evms/hda
[06:31] <highneko> beryl-vidcap; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7UbHq2rdRs
[06:32] <intelikey> or cfdisk /dev/hda
[06:32] <egonw_> intelikey: ok, have to hack the partition table for that...
[06:32] <nux> howdy all.. im trying to install samba.. but i get errors all the time.. it like missing 1000 deps-- how can i make apt install the deps too in 1 command with apt?
[06:32] <egonw_> well... fdisk and cfdisk actually say it is swap
[06:32] <trappist> egonw_: check out the man pages for mkswap and swapon
[06:32] <nux> i tryed apt-get -f install samba
[06:33] <nux> and i tyed apt-get install samba --fix-missing
[06:33] <nux> but non of thouse worked
[06:33] <intelikey> " hack the partition table" ???
[06:33] <excitatory> nux: apt always installs missing deps.  something is wrong with your system.. are you using non-official binaries?
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> sfdisk also an option
[06:33] <excitatory> nux: is your system up to date before you install samba?
[06:34] <nux> hmm
[06:34] <egonw_> trappist: I get this error:
[06:34] <nux> no.. its a official bin
[06:34] <egonw_> wapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/4a277fe5-2dc2-4ce4-a47d-23d5955c357b: Invalid argument
[06:34] <egonw_> when doing swapon -a
[06:34] <egonw_> or via -U
[06:34] <intelikey> i'm wondering what is meant by  " hack the partition table" ???
[06:34] <nux> AHA
[06:35] <nux> stupid me
[06:35] <egonw_> intelikey: sorry... just meant fdisk the partition table...
[06:35] <nux> apt-get -f install samba didnt work... but now when i just run apt-get -f install it dl the deps :9
[06:35] <zerak> |joe| you there, i got the sound to work after removing the tv-tuner/card (even though KDE:s sound test is slightly chopy as usual). But i dont want to have to remove and reinstall the tv-tuner when switching between linux - windows
[06:35] <egonw_> ok, so because swapon is not working... the fstab entry is not having any meaning...
[06:36] <egonw_> and the fstab UUID is the same as reported by blkid
[06:36] <|joe|> zerak: hi
[06:37] <|joe|> zerak: that would mean imho that the drivers actually work, but you have problems with the card order
[06:37] <zerak> like some guides indicated but didnt solve
[06:37] <|joe|> zerak: ie you'd need to configure all programs to use your alsa soundcard device, not the tv tuner one
[06:38] <|joe|> zerak: i have actually the same problem but i managed somehow to get all things working
[06:38] <zerak> |joe| i hope there is one singel switch for that...
[06:38] <|joe|> zerak: do you have tv capture card?
[06:38] <zerak> |joe| yep
[06:38] <|joe|> zerak: well afaik, there is not :)
[06:38] <egonw_> trappist, Jucato: thanx for now... need to leave now... will have to figure this out later...
[06:38] <zerak> |joe| cant i just switch their orders in alsa...
[06:38] <|joe|> does anybody know how to change the order of soundcards in alsa
[06:38] <|joe|> ?
[06:39] <|joe|> zerak: now you got the tuner in?
[06:39] <jhutchins> zerak: Do you have your BIOS set to support non-p&p OS?
[06:39] <Jack1_> hi intelikey
[06:39] <intelikey> Jack1_
[06:39] <zerak> support plug & play
[06:39] <guglielf> i checked on wikipedia, according to it nubuntu comes as a live cd and full install: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUbuntu
[06:39] <zerak> |joe| no
[06:40] <zerak> |joe| tried it recently
[06:40] <Jack1_> intelikey: hmm i got 16 g, music, and photos 4 gb thats it, i thought it was on /home
[06:40] <zerak> |joe| after installing a fresh copy of quake4 =)
[06:40] <Jack1_> intelikey: what do i do now?
[06:40] <|joe|> zerak: bah that one does not work on my comp :) well works but maybe with 5-10fps :)
[06:41] <intelikey> Jack1_ you'll have to cut her some slack there somehow.  i'd sujest burning about 4g of picies to disks
[06:41] <|joe|> zerak: i'd  now try to boot with tuner card and play some sound via alsa - specifying the soundcard hw device
[06:41] <intelikey> or move them to sda1  which is ntfs most likely
[06:42] <zerak> |joe| why on earth do KMix got options on which soundcard to use if it wont change anything?
[06:42] <|joe|> zerak: hm kmix works for me after selecting the correct card
[06:43] <zerak> going to reboot, going to need tips on directing to soundcard later on
[06:44] <intelikey> Jack1_  there is a e2fsexplorer for windows that should let you copy "something" from your /home to your windows install  then you could reboot to linux  and rm what you have safely copied elsewhere giving enough room to wiggle.
[06:44] <Jack1_> hmmm intelikey its on root not on home
[06:44] <Dr_willis> I use that ext2 IFS thing for windows. that shows up your linux drives as normal windows drives.
[06:44] <Jack1_> intelikey: if i move it from root to homw via windows would that be ok?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> moving things under windows - can mess with the ownership. but thats not to hard to fix.
[06:45] <Jack1_> intelikey:  i use that already but since last few times it says /home is not formatted, so i cannot use it
[06:45] <intelikey> i'd do it from linux.   not sure how well windows handles ext3
[06:45] <Jack1_> right
[06:45] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  so far its handled it very well for me. :) better then it handles ntfs. heh.
[06:45] <Jack1_> how can i move from commandline intelikey
[06:45] <Dr_willis> just a few quirks to watch out for.
[06:45] <intelikey> if you but your journal .....
[06:45] <dennister> good morning everyone
[06:46] <Jack1_> intelli
[06:46] <intelikey> Jack1_  mv /dir /someplace
[06:46] <Jack1_> intelikey: shall i do mv
[06:46] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  thats whats sort of nifty about ext3, if the kenel or tool (like that ifs driver) cant handle ext3, it falls back to ext2 mode.
[06:47] <Jack1_> intelikey: ok so /photos /dev/sda1 ?
[06:47] <intelikey> no not to the device
[06:47] <intelikey> to a mounted fs
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> Dr_willis: Using some tools without turning off the journal can cause trouble
[06:47] <Jack1_> intelikey: yes media/win i meant it
[06:47] <Jack1_> thanks for the help!!!
[06:47] <Jack1_> c u guys later
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> you can move files between partitions with dd
[06:48] <intelikey> k  if that's all you need mo for Jack1_ i'm went.
[06:48] <Jack1_> h3sp4wn: is that better than mv?
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> Jack1_: Not at all
[06:48] <Jack1_> c u
[06:48] <Dr_willis> time for some Bash/Linux/101 reading Jack1_  :)
[06:49] <Jack1_> Dr_willis: i read quite a lot thing is
[06:49] <intelikey> Jack1_ h3sp4wn is being technucklehead  :)   just mv the files.
[06:49] <Jack1_> i just better ask someone else before i mess all up.
[06:49] <Jack1_> intelikey: i know him lol
[06:50] <intelikey> h3sp4wn later technucklehead.
[06:50] <intelikey> :)
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> If its something like that squashfs would save a significant amount of space
[06:53] <zerak> |joe| i noticed that i could choose diffrent options in VLC but that only directed the sound to diffrent speakers
[06:55] <|joe|> zerak: hm interesting, my soundcard is now actually #0 and tuner #1
[06:55] <|joe|> zerak: but i swear it was the other way previously :)
[06:55] <|joe|> zerak: does at least alsamixer -c 0 (-c 1) work correctly?
[06:55] <JanK> is this line of the sources.list correct, or need i to add 4 seperate lines for each component?
[06:55] <JanK> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse main restricted
[06:56] <hollywoodb> JanK: that's fine
[06:56] <hollywoodb> JanK: you don't need four seperate lines
[06:56] <zerak> |joe| both gives me a dialog, 0 -> tv (no options to choose), 1 -> sound (with options)
[06:56] <JanK> thank you, another question, how is the packege with real-player called?
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> JanK: same for edgy-updates , edgy-security
[06:56] <|joe|> zerak: so this works
[06:57] <hollywoodb> !realplayer | JanK
[06:57] <ubotu> JanK: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:57] <|joe|> zerak: now do you have any .wav?
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> JanK: (only need 3 lines)
[06:57] <hollywoodb> JanK: i use mplayer or kaffiene to play real-media formats
[06:57] <|joe|> zerak: first of all i assume you have no ~/.asoundrc
[06:57] <zerak> |joe| hmm there are .wav for kde, i usualy use vlc and a movie
[06:57] <|joe|> zerak: just want to try aplay, it plays only wav, no mp3s
[06:58] <zerak> |joe| cant answere that since i dont know what that is
[06:58] <JanK> then i need the codec, for real-videos
[06:58] <|joe|> zerak: than you don't have it :)
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> hollywoodb: Do you use mplayer from in X or just on the console ? (mplayer works great with directfb for me but doesn't work at all well in X)
[06:58] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: either/or
[06:58] <zerak> |joe| not always a correct assumption, some guides might have fooled me
[06:59] <|joe|> zerak: ehm so check if you have .asoundrc in your homedir
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> hollywoodb: what -vo do you use in X ?
[06:59] <zerak> |joe| but no manual for asoundrc if that is a program
[06:59] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: they all work, except dxr3 and xmga
[06:59] <zerak> |joe| nothing
[07:00] <zerak> |joe| dont got it
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> hollywoodb: I need to mess around with it a little more I guess
[07:00] <|joe|> zerak: ok mmnt
[07:01] <zerak> |joe| ...
[07:01] <|joe|> zerak: try something like aplay -D hw:1 /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_Maximize.wav
[07:01] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: I have aiglx enabled as well, and except those two they all still work
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> hollywoodb: alsa-control: unable to find simple control 'PCM',0%  2%  0.7% 171 0
[07:02] <|joe|> zerak: you could try aplay -l as well
[07:03] <h3sp4wn> hollywoodb: I get loads of that stuff all down the screen (but only in X)
[07:03] <zerak> |joe| hmm:   channels count not available
[07:03] <|joe|> zerak: and the -l ?
[07:03] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: but alsa output works @ console?  That's strange... maybe artsd or something needs to be killed... I don't use artsd
[07:03] <odres> where can I find better drivers for my graph card Intel i810 ?
[07:03] <zerak> |joe| lists my sound devices
[07:03] <hollywoodb> odres: which one are you using now?
[07:04] <|joe|> zerak: this should list pcm streams
[07:04] <zerak> |joe| from 0 - 4 for the right ca0106 (correct one)
[07:04] <|joe|> zerak: oh sorry, -L
[07:04] <odres> the i810 driver that comes with Xubuntu, but I keep getting crashes
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> hollywoodb: I don't either - (I think it is because my soundcard has quite alot of in's and outs and a pretty confusing configuration if you look at it in alsamixer)
[07:04] <hollywoodb> odres: that's the right driver, what kind of crashes?
[07:05] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: that could be, my soundcards are all pretty basic... maybe you need to get creative with asound.conf
[07:05] <zerak> |joe| my surround system... lists front, rear, center, surround40 etc
[07:06] <hollywoodb> h3sp4wn: or use OSS output, which should basically spit at /dev/dsp, and should work
[07:06] <instructor> how do I restart my sound I think it died
[07:06] <odres> weird the screen looks like colored horirzontal stripes and xserver and all my user processes stop
[07:06] <|joe|> zerak: looks actually good you now only have to find out the correct alsa dev number for the playback
[07:07] <hollywoodb> odres: are you sure its the video driver? I've never heard of anyone having issues with the i810 driver
[07:07] <Mehercle> hi
[07:07] <zerak> |joe| isnt it just 0 and 1 or do i have to specify the subdevices that is each single speaker
[07:07] <Mehercle> where can i find a package for the amarok moodbar?
[07:07] <hollywoodb> odres: but I've seen things like happen from faulty hardware or overclocking
[07:08] <odres> well I don't know I thought it was memory first, but I used memtest from startup for 12 hours...no errors.the system log files shows ans IO output error with the screen
[07:08] <odres> I am thinking of replacing the onboard card
[07:08] <|joe|> zerak: take a look ath http://alsa.opensrc.org/DigitalOut
[07:09] <|joe|> zerak: check your /proc/asound/devices and then it should be hw:card,pcm#
[07:09] <hollywoodb> odres: maybe the video card has issues?  try the 'intel' driver, I'm not positive that it works with i810 cards, and in my experience it has been a little buggy with suspend/resume, but its worth a shot if your system is suffering that badly
[07:10] <instructor> How do I test my sound?
[07:10] <hollywoodb> odres: also, 'man i810' will give you some driver options that may or may not be useful
[07:10] <hollywoodb> instructor: cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[07:10] <TheGateKeeper> instructor: got sound in system settings there is a button there
[07:10] <instructor> Ok
[07:11] <TheGateKeeper> go to sound*
[07:11] <odres> I only have this problem with Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu (tried all 3 of them) but not with Mandriva 2006
[07:11] <hollywoodb> odres: maybe its a kernel issue... I don't think X.org could be built so differently as to cause what you're describing
[07:12] <odres> Could be I had this problem with 6.10 and 6.06 but not so often with 5.10
[07:13] <instructor> TheGateKeeper: Hmm
[07:13] <hollywoodb> odres: well you could try a different kernel or two and/or file a bug... sudo apt-cache search linux-image
[07:13] <instructor> Ok I clicked the button and nothing. I disabled the sound system and reenabled it and the progress bas has restarted like 5 times now
[07:14] <ehird> every time i run an x app from a terminal i get
[07:14] <ehird> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[07:14] <ehird> with some more stuff repeated a few times
[07:14] <ehird> the apps work fine tho
[07:14] <hollywoodb> ehird: yep
[07:14] <ehird> any ideas?
[07:14] <TheGateKeeper> instructor: got things turned on, had a look at kmix?
[07:14] <hollywoodb> ehird: search forums for 'wacom xorg.conf'
[07:14] <TheGateKeeper> !sound
[07:14] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:15] <ehird> hollywood will in a bit
[07:15] <odres> Which one do you recommend I use 2.6.17-10
[07:15] <hollywoodb> ehird: basically for some reason I don't understand default ubuntu xorg.conf has a bunch of wacom tablet devices listed that you don't have, and that's those errors
[07:16] <hollywoodb> odres: I'm not really sure, you're probably using -generic now, so you could try something more specific like -686
[07:16] <hollywoodb> odres: whether or not they're built differently enough to make any difference i don't really know
[07:16] <eric_> does anyone know what the programs callled that puts the spinning globe o your destop?
[07:16] <TheGateKeeper> odres: kubuntu tends to use module drivers so unless you build your own kernel I doubt you will see much improvement
[07:17] <|joe|> eric_: xearth?
[07:17] <|joe|> eric_: just a guess
[07:17] <instructor> eric_: xearth
[07:17] <eric_> cool,ill go check.is it in the repositorys?
[07:17] <instructor> Go check :)
[07:18] <instructor> !info xearth
[07:18] <ubotu> xearth: Show a rotating earth on your X root window. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1-10.1 (edgy), package size 154 kB, installed size 464 kB
[07:18] <odres> yes I have a PIII 667 Mhz so I should look for a i686 kernel ?
[07:20] <TheGateKeeper> odres: yep
[07:21] <eric_> anything else like xearth for nifty visualizations?
[07:21] <MenZa> I'd like to install drivers for my generic 802.11g wireless PCMCIA card, but I have no idea where to start. Can anyone point me in the right direction :\?
[07:21] <odres> where can I get this ? Do you know a stable version ?
[07:22] <eric_> poop,i installed it bu its not showing up on my desktop,do i need to do something special?
[07:23] <TheGateKeeper> odres: there are ready built kernels in the repos, but you might have more luck building your own, info on that is in the forums
[07:24] <odres> allright I wil try that
[07:26] <odres> I dont know if this wil work check "linux-image-686 - Obsoleted by: linux-image-generic" in apt-cache linux-image
[07:26] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: if you have time can you confirm this? http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[07:26] <MidMark> see my last comment
[07:26] <MidMark> only the last one
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> I don't even know what kde-guidance is (so am not a good person to ask about that one)
[07:33] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: kde-guidance is the gui that let you change user password under K->system settings->user management
[07:33] <MidMark> anyone thanx
[07:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:34] <michal_> hello
[07:34] <MRMorefield-ft> what is the extended device?
[07:34] <MRMorefield-ft> in fdisk?
[07:36] <zerak> |joe| really cant understand this, vlc can play one one chanel (one speaker) but when trying to use aplay on the same (when vlc is off) i get no sound
[07:37] <eric_> wheres a god place to start for learning shell commands,ive got the basic ones down but want to master the more advanced ones
[07:38] <hollywoodb> eric_: google for a bash tutorial, or check out http://rute.2038bug.com
[07:38] <francis> bonsoir all :)
[07:38] <eric_> aloha
[07:39] <francis> boouhhhh, a roupille ici !!!! mdr
[07:39] <hollywoodb> !fr | francis
[07:39] <ubotu> francis: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:40] <eric_> j'adore la glace
 Sorry since edgy eft there is no i686 kernel anymore, just the "generic"
[07:40] <osh_> je suis un baguette.
[07:41] <hollywoodb> yes I'd love a bagel
[07:41] <odres> Does anyone know how to increase the allocated memory for the video card in xorg.conf ?
[07:44] <eric_> ill have lox on mine
[07:44] <h3sp4wn> eric_: I would recommend zsh over bash (for interactive use)
[07:44] <h3sp4wn> eric_: And for scripting it supports most things that are supported by csh / ksh and bash
[07:44] <eric_> huh?whats hat ean sorry first time on irc
[07:44] <eric_> that mean*
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> Nicer shell to use than bash (I think)
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> aptitude install zsh
[07:46] <MRMorefield-ft> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> eric_: exec zsh
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> eric_: (it has lot of nice features - such as command completion from external programs)
[07:49] <wezlo> hey, is anyone on here using kubuntu and bluetooth?
[07:50] <dennister> dangitall...I'm timing out again
[07:50] <dennister> rogers is driving me nuts
[07:52] <dennister> what with their traffic-shaping before i get a chance to counteract it with software...
[07:52] <Jack1> h3sp4wn:
[07:52] <Jack1> h3sp4wn: hi, i cannot scroll up and down in console via page up and shift
[07:52] <|joe|> zerak: you should probably try to find a device where you get stereo
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: In a vt ?
[07:54] <Jack1> in console mode h3sp4wn  whats a vt?
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> It works fine for me (unless I am in screen which I am 99% of the time)
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> then ^a escape puts it into scroll mode
[07:55] <Jack1> how can get a file tree for / in console mode?
[07:56] <Jack1> i can scroll up and down?
[07:56] <h3sp4wn> I dunno I can (using the method you described above)
[07:56] <eric_> any one know ofany progs that will spiffy up my gui?
[07:56] <Jack1> i'll try thx
[07:56] <egonw> trappist: thanx again for earlier... re-mkswap-ing the swap partition allowed me swapon it again
[07:56] <major_stitch> eric_: what Window manager?
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: Usually I just screen in a vt (just by default makes copy and paste etc easier once you learn the shortcuts)
[07:57] <zerak> |joe| but how come vlc can give me sound when i choose a device but aplay wont
[07:57] <major_stitch> h3sp4wn: just downloaded and set up Ubuntu from kubuntu...wasn't so bad at all :)
[07:57] <|joe|> zerak: no idea
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> major_stitch: Not remotely interesting though
[07:58] <major_stitch> h3sp4wn: i'm not adventurous
[07:58] <trappist> egonw: ossum
[07:58] <h3sp4wn> major_stitch: fair enough
[08:00] <eric_> what are the benifits of ubuntu over kubuntu?
[08:00] <wezlo> hey folks, I've having difficulties pairing bluetooth devices in edgy, anyone have any inights?
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> eric_: It has alot more developers (and hence is more well developed / tested)
[08:01] <eric_> ubuntu or k?
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu
[08:01] <eric_> cool
[08:01] <T3hWiz0rd> !k3b-mp3
[08:01] <T3hWiz0rd> !k3b
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about k3b-mp3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[08:02] <odres> eric_ go for Xubuntu !
[08:02] <zerak> |joe| located which channels that are what, eg. 1,0 are the two fronts (stereo) :  1,1 rear  :  1,2 middle and one unknown (probably sub)
[08:03] <zerak> |joe| take that back, maybe not sub after all
[08:03] <|joe|> zerak: and aplay -D hw:1,0 doesn't work
[08:04] <zerak> |joe|
[08:04] <zerak> laying WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Window_Maximize.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono
[08:04] <zerak> aplay: set_params:906: Channels count not available
[08:04] <|joe|> zerak: hm
[08:05] <zerak> |joe| and if i do it while vlc then it is busy
[08:05] <zerak> |joe| so it works but not with aplay
[08:05] <|joe|> zerak: and did you have stereo without the tuner?
[08:06] <age1172> are .jar files executable in kubuntu?
[08:06] <zerak> |joe| had sound as default without it
[08:06] <|joe|> zerak: but stereo
[08:07] <eric_> how do i change my settings to allow me to log in as root?
[08:07] <|joe|> age1172: .jar is a .zip containing usually java app
[08:07] <thingy> age1172: yes! They are shot on sight! ummm actually...double clicking on a jar file seems to bring up ark which is the archiving util
[08:07] <zerak> |joe| either stereo or surround, didnt check which
[08:07] <|joe|> age1172: you can run it somehow with java
[08:07] <age1172> how to run it
[08:07] <thingy> age1172: to run jar file --> java -jar filename.jar
[08:07] <|joe|> thingy: that's because it's actually a zip
[08:07] <eric_> cant you just change the .jar to .zip and open it normaly
[08:08] <|joe|> no
[08:08] <age1172> thanks
[08:08] <|joe|> when run with jave it looks then for the Main class
[08:08] <thingy> |joe|: dang it..I had to hunt for the | key joe! :-)
[08:09] <|joe|> thingy: well i can't help but all [_] joe[_]  nicks are reserved :)
[08:09] <|joe|> zerak: have you tried now hw:1,1 and 1,2?
[08:09] <ehird> i added the amarok 1.4.4 repos
[08:09] <ehird> but it's still 1.4.3 according to apt-cache
[08:09] <abattoir> thingy: just press j and Tab ;)
[08:09] <ehird> i've updated and dist-upgraded
[08:09] <ehird> ideas?
[08:10] <zerak> |joe| without the tv-card or what do you mean?
[08:10] <|joe|> abattoir: me begin with pipe ;-)
[08:10] <|joe|> zerak: now
[08:10] <thingy> |joe|: try being bob...thats a good name! bet its not registered...or how about MightyJoe
[08:10] <abattoir> |joe|: doesn't matter, an intelligent client would help overcome annoyances like that :P
[08:10] <abattoir> an intelligent client, like konversation ;)
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> if you start a nic with ]  then it breaks irssi's tab completion
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> *nick
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> i.e ] h3sp4wn[
[08:12] <eric_> what app would i use to add a second root acount?
[08:12] <mnepton> eric_: do you mean another account with sudo access?
[08:13] <abattoir> eric_: you mean you want to give 'sudo' privs. to another account?
[08:13] <abattoir> oh, sorry :P
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> there can only be one root (you can have another name like proot or whatever but if it has 0:0 it is root
[08:13] <eric_> full acsess so i dont have to keep typeing in my password
[08:13] <ehird> ideas?
[08:13] <age1172> thingy;it says Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from ***.jar
[08:13] <|joe|> well uid=0 can be only one user
[08:13] <abattoir> eric_: for that, you'd have to edit /etc/sudoers
[08:13] <|joe|> eric_: you can configure sudo not to require password
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> you can have 2 entries in /etc/passwd with 0:0
[08:13] <age1172> i replaced file name with stars
[08:13] <|joe|> eric_: visudo
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> (or more)
[08:14] <eric_> um when i installed i used root as my user name and ubuntu wont let me log into it useing that acount
[08:14] <thingy> age1172: What's the app? you may need to pass a class name
[08:14] <eric_> cool
[08:14] <|joe|> h3sp4wn: hm didn't know about it, thnx
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> samw    ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL
[08:14] <ehird> eric_: you fail at understanding how sudo works
[08:14] <mnepton> eric_: the root login is disabled by design. a machine that allows a root login is far more likely to be compromised. use sudo, or, if that's really, *reaaly onerous, use "sudo su"
[08:14] <age1172> how?
[08:14] <ehird> and why root is a bad idea
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> (that is an example sudo entry so sudo doesn't ask for the password all the time)
[08:14] <fdoving> mnepton: 'sudo -i' > 'sudo su'
[08:14] <thingy> age1172: To find out what class name to pass...I need to know what app you are trying to run
[08:15] <eric_> brb
[08:15] <mnepton> fdoving: different strokes for different folks. same thing, essentially though.
[08:15] <thingy> age1172: but to answer your question --> java -jar filename.jar myJavaClass
[08:15] <|joe|> thingy: i think per default Main is run
[08:17] <ehird> ..
[08:17] <thingy> |joe|: yep but the error he gets is indicating there is no main clain in the jar...would help to know what app hes trying to use...usually the java devs put a bash script in the distribution to execute the app
[08:17] <fdoving> mnepton: you don't read roots environment variables, that can break stuff, as you run stuff as root within a user environment. sudo -i fixes that, safer.
[08:17] <|joe|> thingy: ok didn't notice there was already an error :)
[08:18] <|joe|> sometimes it help just to dig into the .jar and find what looks like main class
[08:18] <age1172> the app is file named keygen.jar?
[08:19] <|joe|> age1172: .jar is a .zip of compiled .class files
[08:19] <|joe|> age1172: each .class file contains compiled bytecode for one java class
[08:19] <eric_> it wont let me edit the password file
[08:19] <|joe|> age1172: and to start an application you have to define which class of those .class has to be "started"
[08:19] <age1172> how can i do that
[08:20] <|joe|> age1172: if you don't define anything java will look for Main (or similar) and if it finds no Main, it does not know how to run the .jar
[08:20] <|joe|> age1172: don't you have any doc?
[08:20] <eric_> i tried to edit the password file an it saownerys i dont have permission because im not the
[08:21] <age1172> i will see
[08:21] <|joe|> age1172: is it some public stuff?
[08:23] <zerak> |joe| yes KDE:s test sound gives stereo (only front sides)
[08:23] <|joe|> zerak: maybe you can now try to play with aplay to find out which subdevice is correct
[08:24] <|joe|> zerak: but you'll probably have to stop kde's sound system for it
[08:24] <Jack1> h3sp4wn: i cannot login due to 100%use on /, but i just find system files there..its 20GB
[08:24] <|joe|> zerak: if the card and drivers support hw mixing you wouldn't have to :)
[08:25] <Jack1> h3sp4wn: my ist-upgrade stopped couple of times i guess its the temporary update files
[08:25] <ehird> surely it's a simple q
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: make some more space then (or remove some stuff)
[08:25] <Jack1> h3sp4wn: how? if i just find system files and dunno which one are ost important?
[08:25] <Jack1> most
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: get rid of all of /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: resise some other partitions to make some more space
[08:26] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: Unless its only a 20gb drive
[08:26] <zerak> |joe| do you remember where the kde:s .wav where?
[08:26] <|joe|> zerak: /usr/share/sounds
[08:27] <jobless_> abattoir u there?
[08:27] <abattoir> jobless_: yes
[08:27] <Jack1> hmm u think i can delete some file from windows via ifs drives
[08:27] <Jack1> h3sp4wn:
[08:27] <|joe|> thingy: hm now i found out the main class can be actually specified via manifest in the .jar
[08:27] <jobless_> hey abattoir, i got a question thats out of topic here .. is that ok if i ask u?
[08:28] <abattoir> jobless_: hmm, pm me then
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I would fix it from recovery mode
[08:28] <JohnFlux2> h3sp4wn: Jack1: it's better to use  apt-get clean
[08:28] <JohnFlux2> h3sp4wn: Jack1: then apt-get autoremove
[08:28] <sarixe> anyone know how to setup samba for sharing a printer?
[08:29] <abattoir> !samba | sarixe
[08:29] <thingy> |joe|: oh and I was googling as well...and sometimes...if the java -jar filename.jar doesn't work you can try a "java -cp /path/to/file/file.jar className" to get the app to run...can't tell age now as he's left
[08:29] <ubotu> sarixe: samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:29] <Jack1> JohnFlux id did aptget clean, but not apt get autoremove
[08:29] <h3sp4wn> JohnFlux2: why all apt-get clean does is exactly the same thing
[08:29] <abattoir> jobless_: not registered?
[08:29] <sarixe> thanks
[08:29] <zerak> |joe| "$ aplay -D hw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/pop.wav" gives same problem (noticed that i use 0,0 instead of 1,0 previously)
[08:29] <JohnFlux2> h3sp4wn: right but you're less likely to screw up ;-)
[08:30] <|joe|> thingy: well i found out that the manifests could be eventually incompatible between win and nix because of newlines :) maybe that was the prob
[08:30] <|joe|> zerak: that's really weird
[08:30] <thingy> zerak: whats the sound issue you have ?
[08:30] <|joe|> zerak: 0,1 or 0,2?
[08:30] <jobless_> abattoir: no
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> JohnFlux2: Its no better or worse (I usually use aptitude autoclean) but if I want to get rid of them all I just use rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:30] <|joe|> zerak: would be really interesting if aplay couldn't play wav files via alsa
[08:31] <JohnFlux2> h3sp4wn: until the one day you accidently pressed return while typing  rm -rf /
[08:31] <zerak> |joe| none of them gave me anything, i hope there is enough to uncheck the "give me sound" box in kde
[08:31] <|joe|> thingy: you have to disable the sound system
[08:31] <zerak> |joe| "enable the sound system"
[08:31] <JohnFlux2> h3sp4wn: not saying it's a big risk or anything, but just safer to use apt-get clean
[08:31] <JohnFlux2> h3sp4wn:  good habits and all that
[08:31] <|joe|> thingy: but if you don't aplay should complain that device is already used
[08:32] <zerak> |joe| vlc plays default and KDE plays when using test button
[08:32] <|joe|> thingy: sorry -> zerak
[08:32] <|joe|> zerak: both with stereo
[08:32] <Jack1> h3sp4wn: hmm..i got just 75mb /var files i cannot understand where are the big files
[08:32] <zerak> |joe| vlc plays with stereo
[08:32] <zerak> |joe| settings
[08:32] <|joe|> zerak: what happens if you just say hw:0
[08:33] <zerak> |joe| same
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> Jack1: I wouldn't mess around in /var (other than /var/cache/apt/archives)
[08:33] <zerak> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/pop.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[08:33] <zerak> aplay: set_params:906: Channels count not availabl
[08:34] <thingy> Jack1: du -hs /*  <--- will give you a clue as where the disk usage is hiding
[08:35] <Jack1> try that again c u
[08:41] <csills> Hey guys
[08:41] <csills> I had my Acer Prisa 620U scanner working with Ubuntu
[08:41] <csills> and suddely it just quit working
[08:42] <csills> not recognized anymore
[08:42] <csills> anybody have any suggestions
[08:42] <csills> I have tried several fixes but none have worked
[08:44] <eric_> whats the shell comand for modifying file permissions
[08:45] <zerak> chmod
[08:45] <jobless> abattoir: can you pm me?
[08:45] <fannagoganna> chmod
[08:45] <fannagoganna> yes sorry
[08:47] <abattoir> jobless: i just did
[08:47] <abattoir> jobless: are you getting my messages?
[08:48] <thingy> csills: 1. Is the USB device detected? (look at output of lsusb command or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices) 2. It looks like this brand of scanner needs firmware to uploaded to the scanner before the scanner works...look at this url to see if it helps debug things....if you can identify what is not happening we might be able to tell you how to put it right...my guess = firmware not being loaded into scanner http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/
[08:48] <thingy> I thought they took out the priv messages facility in freenode because of spam and abuse...
[08:49] <thingy> ah I can priv msg my self...cool!
[08:49] <drakan> Hmm...
[08:49] <drakan> Anyone have experience with Wireless Belkin PCMIA Adapters?
[08:50] <drakan> It seems to want to disable itself right after I enable the service
[08:50] <thingy> drakan: model number
[08:50] <thingy> drakan: ?
[08:50] <drakan> p81989-A
[08:50] <drakan> I think
[08:51] <thingy> drakan: and what do you mean by "enable the service"? is the card being detected fine?
[08:51] <Gecko> If I write locate libgtk-1.2.so* slocate segfaults, but it doesn't if I write locate libgtk-1.2.so. Is this a bug?
[08:52] <csills> Thanks Thingy
[08:52] <drakan> Detected yes
[08:52] <drakan> but it won't enable when I hit "enable"
[08:53] <drakan> its goes straight back
[08:53] <drakan> to disabled
[08:53] <drakan> =\
[08:53] <thingy> drakan: any messages in /var/log/messages when you try and enable it? also anything shown in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:54] <drakan> I'm completely new to Linux... You might have to explain where to find those files :x
[08:54] <thingy> umm
[08:54] <markelhas> hi ppl
[08:54] <drakan> But I can say, the Wireless card doesn't show any lights when plugged in
[08:54] <drakan> I guess that could go with the whole disabled part
[08:55] <markelhas> can someone help me config my network/samba?
[08:55] <kraut> moin
[08:55] <thingy> drakan: ok can you open the kde menu and select the System\System Logs Viewer app
[08:55] <jhutchins_wk> markelhas: Possibly #samba?
[08:55] <drakan> Gotcha
[08:56] <markelhas> jhutchins_wk: oki
[08:56] <drakan> I'm there
[08:56] <drakan> And there are alot of messages here
[08:57] <drakan> It's mostly saying
[08:57] <drakan> DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 155.
[08:57] <drakan> x_X;;
[08:57] <drakan> *<IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval (xx)
[08:58] <drakan> Where xx is a random number between 3 and 16
[08:58] <drakan> =\
[08:58] <drakan> And, send_packet: Network is down
[08:59] <markelhas> anyone that is a samba expert!?
[09:00] <thingy> drakan: select the last buncha log entries that appear when you try to enable the device and once selected, click on File/Save and save them as a file. Then dcc the file to me
[09:01] <drakan> Err... The computer i'm talking about is not connected to the internet :x
[09:01] <drakan> Because the wireless won't work
[09:01] <drakan> This is a 2nd computer i'm on now
[09:01] <drakan> BUT
[09:01] <drakan> What is says is
[09:02] <drakan> Main: error loading '/lib/firmware/bcm43xx_microcode5.fw' for device '/class/firmware/0000:02:00.0' with driver 'bcm43xx'
[09:02] <drakan> And the 2nd part, says bcm43xx_microcode5.fw is not available or load failed
[09:03] <drakan> So it has to do with the driver being bad =\
[09:03] <thingy> drakan: no it means that the firmware (bcm43xx_microcode5.fw) file is not being found(most prob.)
[09:04] <thingy> drakan: type in 'find / -iname "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw"' and tell me if that returns a match
[09:05] <drakan> k
[09:05] <drakan> in Konsole
[09:05] <drakan> ?
[09:05] <intelikey> -iname  ?    hmmm i'll have to revisit the man pages...
[09:05] <thingy> drakan:  yes
[09:05] <intelikey> drakan yes that's a cli command.
[09:05] <thingy> intelikey: -iname = don't care about the case
[09:05] <intelikey> k
[09:07] <drakan> I did a sudo
[09:07] <drakan> regular doesn't work o_o
[09:08] <eric__> trying to fix a problem with my password file,im trying to give my normal loging name no password and full acsess,any help?
[09:08] <elias_> what is the main advantage of kde4's libs over kde3? what justifies this huge portation effort to port all kde3 apps to the new API/toolkit/libs?
[09:09] <eric__> eric:$1$YiPqh20t$vvAc.wkSXCMDQCgqO6Szi.:1001:1001:,,,:/home/eric:/bin/bash is my normal usernames line what should i do?
[09:09] <thingy> elias: WHY are you cross posting the same question to both channels?
[09:09] <intelikey> eric__  yeah. close the editor  and do   sudo passwd -d 'username'
[09:09] <thingy> drakan: has the search finished?
[09:10] <drakan> Dont think it will work =\
[09:10] <drakan> dunno why
[09:10] <intelikey> eric__ "and full acsess" ???   make him root jr. ?
[09:10] <drakan> it doesn't respond
[09:10] <drakan> what about sudo -iname "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw"
[09:10] <drakan> it doesnt work either
[09:10] <drakan> sudo find / -iname*
[09:11] <thingy> drakan: press ctrl + c in the konsole to get back to the prompt and then type in --> find / -iname "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw"
[09:11] <intelikey> eric__ can you define  "and full access" please ?
[09:11] <drakan> Bunch of Permission Denied messages
[09:11] <drakan> thats why I tried sudo
[09:11] <thingy> drakan: thats ok...
[09:12] <thingy> drakan: the permission denied messages occur since normal users cant go in some directories
[09:12] <eric__> root jr
[09:12] <drakan> ok
[09:12] <eric__> whats the -d?
[09:12] <intelikey> eric__   man passwd
[09:12] <thingy> drakan: ok so you don't have the firmware file then...can i confirm that this card didn't work on edgy at all?
[09:12] <drakan> what's edgy
[09:13] <drakan> Sorry for being stupid
[09:13] <drakan> :x
[09:13] <intelikey> eric__   if you want passwordless sudoing   visudo   and  add    'username' ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[09:13] <fdoving> !edgy | drakan
[09:13] <ubotu> drakan: Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[09:13] <drakan> Okay
[09:13] <intelikey> man sudoers    for that one.
[09:13] <drakan> Well I used the one off the website
[09:13] <drakan> The CD iso
[09:14] <eric__> what if i just wanta password when my computer starts up?
[09:14] <drakan> ok yes
[09:14] <drakan> it
[09:14] <drakan> It's edgy*
[09:14] <intelikey> eric__ you do know that you are setting up a very insecure system...
[09:14] <magicmike> What command do I type to edit and save changes in /etc/fstab?
[09:14] <eric__> yes
[09:14] <thingy> drakan: can you confirm that it never worked in edgy at all?
[09:14] <drakan> so far, yes
[09:15] <drakan> It's my first day on Kubuntu ;_;
[09:15] <intelikey> eric__ then set a password on the account and set sudoers to passwordless  as above....   that's not  at all the advice that *buntu team would have me give you tho.
[09:15] <eric__> my comp.is in a safe place and has very little sensitive info
[09:15] <adam_> Is there anyone here running 6.10 amd64?
[09:15] <eric__> cool
[09:16] <JohnFlux_> adam_: ask dont ask to ask
[09:16] <adam_> Joh: huh? you've lost me on that?
[09:16] <BluesKaj> tried amd64 ...nothing but probs in dapper, so I switched to x86 32 bit
[09:17] <adam_> dapper worked great for me, but edgy seems a mess
[09:17] <BluesKaj> now at least my hardware works
[09:17] <intelikey> heh i did cat /etc/sudoers  to give you that line ^^ for your sudoers... "ALL ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" <--- my /etc/sudoers file.       what do i care how you set up your boxen.....
[09:17] <magicmike> adam: Just ask and if you get lucky someone will answer.
[09:18] <BluesKaj> x86 32bit works well in edgy too on this amd64 pc
[09:18] <intelikey> it should probably be noted that this box is also "NO SUID"   so sudo does nothing anyway.
[09:18] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  sudo echo
[09:18] <intelikey> sudo: must be setuid root
[09:18] <markelhas> ppl need help to config samba, anyone!?
[09:18] <JohnFlux_> !ask
[09:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:19] <intelikey> markelhas sorry  ! i
[09:19] <markelhas> intelikey: can u help me with samba configQ?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> markelhas, welcome to the club ...difficult request I'm afraid
[09:20] <intelikey> markelhas no.   "! i" == "not i"   i've never setup a smb client or server.
[09:20] <markelhas> BluesKaj: hummm, i've trying with wiki googling but can't manage to put it working
[09:21] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's quite labour intensive
[09:21] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper: are u there?
[09:21] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: you havent actually asked a question yet
[09:21] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: as far as i can see
[09:22] <zerak> |joe| it is plugged in and it gives me sound when doing "$ apart -D plughw:1,0 /usr/share/sound/pop.wav"
 intelikey: can u help me with samba configQ?
[09:22] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: I need help to config samba, can't "see" my windows machine, neitheir windows machine to see mine
[09:22] <|joe|> zerak: ok what do we drink
[09:23] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: so i think the kestion is made!
[09:23] <|joe|> zerak: now you could try to set up dmix plugin if you'd like to use sw mixing
[09:23] <zerak> |joe| not yet, still some stuff to do before it works as intended
[09:23] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: how can i config it?
[09:23] <BluesKaj> that's a biggy
[09:23] <intelikey> markelhas & blueskaj    i can sujest that other channels might find more help on that....   ##linux  ##linuxhelp  #ubuntu  #debian (maybe)....
[09:23] <zerak> |joe| sw mixing?
[09:23] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: if you go to smb://   do you see any machines?
[09:23] <hollywoodb> #debian is alway super-helpful
[09:23] <|joe|> zerak: otherwise you'll end up fighting with artsd flash and stuff
[09:24] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: nope
[09:24] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: smb://localhost/  rather
[09:24] <|joe|> zerak: your card can play only one sound at once
[09:24] <|joe|> so if you want to eg play kde sounds while using vlc/mplayer/amarok/... you have to mix the sounds
[09:24] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: have you installed samba  ?
[09:25] <|joe|> zerak: and because your card won't do it, you have to do it in sw .... that's where alsa's dmix helps
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> anyone know where I'd look to set the increment that volume increases or decreases when using the ACPI volume buttons on the keyboard?
[09:25] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: apt-get install samba samba-common smbclient
[09:25] <zerak> |joe| sw?
[09:25] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: then sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[09:25] <|joe|> zerak: the sw mixes the sound streams into one
[09:26] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: i've done that, and config smbusers
[09:26] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: that's a problem there is no samba in that dir
[09:27] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: in which dir?
[09:27] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: oh  /etc/init.d/samba  ?
[09:27] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: yes
[09:27] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: i've follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Samba_Server
[09:27] <JohnFlux_> ubotu:  find /etc/init.d/samba
[09:27] <ubotu> File /etc/init.d/samba found in samba
[09:28] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: please double check you have installed samba
[09:28] <zerak> |joe| For ALSA 1For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix.
[09:28] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: apt-get install samba
[09:28] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: if it says it's installed, we'll reinstall
[09:28] <|joe|> zerak: where did you find that?
[09:28] <zerak> |joe| evil paste (middle mouse)  For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix.
[09:28] <zerak> |joe| http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:28] <markelhas> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[09:28] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[09:29] <|joe|> zerak: well ok in that case try it with aplay
[09:29] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: hmm, okay  do   apt-get install --reinstall samba
[09:29] <|joe|> zerak: aplay -D plug:dmix
[09:30] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: i've kubuntu 6.10, just for remark
[09:30] <|joe|> zerak: don't know though if it's configured correctly to use your sc
[09:30] <zerak> |joe|
[09:30] <zerak> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:862:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[09:30] <zerak> aplay: main:547: audio open error: No such file or directory
[09:30] <zerak> |joe| maybe not...
[09:30] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: done
[09:31] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: does it exist now?
[09:31] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: nopes :(
[09:31] <|joe|> zerak: maybe it points per default to the first card
[09:31] <zerak> |joe| maybe
[09:31] <zerak> |joe| then it should be a simple change if one finds where
[09:32] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: ah wait
[09:32] <|joe|> zerak: you can try the aplay -v -D plughw:1,0 and note the params at the bottom and try to configure this stuff as described in the howto
[09:32] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: i've made a find . -name samba and i thinks it's on etc/samba
[09:32] <|joe|> zerak: seems you cannot set the dmix's slave to plughw
[09:33] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: nah wait
[09:33] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: do   apt-get remove --purge samba
[09:33] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: then apt-get install samba
[09:33] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: that will recreate the files
[09:33] <JohnFlux_> i cant remember the apt-get install   command to reinstall the config files
[09:33] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: oki
[09:34] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: nopes :(
[09:35] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: still no?
[09:35] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: :/
[09:35] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: grr
[09:35] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: :(
[09:36] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: okay do:  dpkg --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_*.deb
[09:36] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: that should do it
[09:37] <JohnFlux_> oh wait
[09:37] <|joe|> zerak: you could try the config from here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=310448&highlight=asoundrc+ca0106
[09:37] <|joe|> zerak: replace the card 0 with card 1 and remove the pcm.duplicate
[09:37] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_*.deb
[09:38] <JohnFlux_> Setting up samba (3.0.22-1ubuntu4) ...
[09:38] <JohnFlux_> Configuration file `/etc/init.d/samba', does not exist on system.
[09:38] <JohnFlux_> Installing new config file as you request.
[09:38] <|joe|> zerak: then you should be able to aplay -D dout
[09:38] <JohnFlux_> i get that when i delete that file then run that command
[09:38] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: so try that
[09:38] <zerak> |joe| where? one said ~/.asoundrc but then i must install those packages first but it doesnt sound like i am suppose to do that on you
[09:39] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: the command is not working, can u check it for me plz?
[09:39] <|joe|> zerak: ~/.asoundrc is correct, what packages do you mean?
[09:39] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: okay one sec
[09:40] <zerak> |joe| wasnt that like the first question you asked, dont got that dir
[09:40] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: if you do:   ls  /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_*.deb    do you get several versions?
[09:40] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: or one version, or no files
[09:41] <|joe|> zerak: you have to create .asoundrc in your home dir
[09:41] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: 1 version
[09:41] <zerak> mkdri .asoundrc
[09:41] <zerak> ls
[09:41] <zerak> ls
[09:41] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:41] <|joe|> zerak: no it's a file
[09:41] <|joe|> zerak: what's your favourite editor? :)
[09:42] <zerak> |joe| got none, use vi mostly though, nano is nice too
[09:42] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_*.deb
[09:42] <JohnFlux_> that should work
[09:42] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: what error does it give
[09:42] <lipe> please, i need the file called libelf.so.1
[09:42] <|joe|> zerak: ok si simply vim ~/.asoundrc
[09:42] <JohnFlux_> lipe: er
[09:43] <zerak> |joe| copy paste his, but if there is no such file then what tells that there should be
[09:43] <JohnFlux_> lipe: what did you do?
[09:43] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: this last is ok
[09:43] <|joe|> zerak: vi will create a new file
[09:43] <zerak> |joe| did, noob but not that noobish even though i thought i wrote in Yakau... (what it is called =P)
[09:43] <lipe> JohnFlux_: please, do u have this file??
[09:43] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: but this msg "Configuration file `/etc/init.d/samba', does not exist on system." is there.
[09:44] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: samba there now
[09:44] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: excellent
[09:44] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: now /etc/init.d/samba start
[09:45] <JohnFlux_> lipe: why do you need it?
[09:45] <zerak> |joe| should i fill it with their information from the web page? Will it really fit my config
[09:45] <lipe> i need this library to use libelf...
[09:45] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: done that can see mshome and my pc
[09:45] <|joe|> zerak: it's the same driver, try it out
[09:45] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: :-)
[09:45] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: can't see one but also can't see in windows :(, that's another story
[09:46] <al00> g'day -- kubuntu newbie here -- booting up from the Edgy DVD and getting dropped off at /Desktop. Tried in to install in "graphics safe" mode -- same result. Any suggestions?
[09:46] <|joe|> zerak: check the output from aplay -D plughw:1,0 it displays some pars (eg rate) at the bottom
[09:46] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: can i share a folder/printer from kubuntu to windows pcs!?
[09:46] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: btw if you want to share a folder on your desktop you have to set the read and access permissions for Desktop
[09:46] <al00> I guess I should have mentioned that I'm trying to Install Kubuntu :-)
[09:47] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: i fixed that bug but it won't be in till the next update
[09:47] <zerak> |joe| worked but forgot to change the card 0 to card 1
[09:47] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: hmm yes.  not sure how through the gui.  i think run the system settings and share it from the printer settings thing
[09:48] <JohnFlux_> lipe: I'm not being difficult, but elf is a pretty low level thing!
[09:48] <visitor> hey whats going on everyone?
[09:48] <JohnFlux_> lipe: you shouldn't be playing with such libraries
[09:48] <|joe|> al00: what do you mean by getting dropped off at /Desktop
[09:48] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: ok for the printer and one folder in /home?
[09:48] <al00> |joe| -- may I chat in private?
[09:48] <oslo> my ipod dont mount !
[09:48] <JohnFlux_> markelhas: as long as the folder isn't in /home/markel/Desktop
[09:48] <lipe> somebody help me!!!!!! im trying to read the head of a ELF file, so i need this library to work...
[09:48] <|joe|> al00: i'm not registered so i can't
[09:48] <|joe|> al00: you can try a separate channel
[09:49] <visitor> i dont think that there is any way you can chat in private in here
[09:49] <JohnFlux_> lipe: edgy comes with 0.8
[09:49] <|joe|> visitor: if you're registered privmsgs work :)
[09:49] <JohnFlux_> lipe: i wouldn't recommend installing a different version
[09:49] <visitor> oh well i am not registered so i cant
[09:49] <zerak> |joe| ah when you say it i noticed after rate it say mono
[09:50] <JohnFlux_> visitor: /msg nickserv register
[09:50] <visitor> whats up joe?
[09:50] <JohnFlux_> visitor: ;-)
[09:50] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: oki i've shared one, not the desktop, now only search in windows network and that's all?
[09:50] <|joe|> zerak: hm
[09:50] <visitor> i dont want to pay anything for this
[09:50] <|joe|> zerak: just try it :)
[09:50] <lipe> man, what r u talking about??
[09:50] <JohnFlux_> visitor: freenode is free
[09:50] <visitor> oh ok
[09:51] <visitor> whats up johnflux?
[09:51] <JohnFlux_> lipe: ubuntu comes with libelf.0.8.6
[09:51] <al00> |joe|: I slap in a freshly burned Edgy DVD. Boot. I am prompted with the Menu. I select install, the status bar looks strange and incomplete. The boot image seems to load... I expect to see a GUI for install of the OS but I end up at a command prompt in the /Desktop folder.
[09:51] <JohnFlux_> visitor: at the ubuntu summit in california
[09:51] <JohnFlux_> lipe: if you want a later version you'll have to compile it yourself
[09:51] <visitor> what in the hell are people talking about in here?
[09:51] <|joe|> visitor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[09:51] <al00> |joe|: I initially thought it was a graphics issue (still not convinced that it isn't) and tried to install with option 2 which is graphics safe mode -- same result
[09:52] <visitor> how old are you guys in here?
[09:52] <JohnFlux_> visitor: 25 myself
[09:52] <dimsuz> hi! anyone aware of what *-dev package contains Xlib.h?
[09:52] <|joe|> al00: what graph card?
[09:52] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: okis it's working, doesn't apper in network, but if i do \\ip ask for pass and the share is there
[09:52] <visitor> oh, im 19
[09:52] <dimsuz> it dissapeared after upgrade to edgy
[09:52] <JohnFlux_> ubotu: find xlib.h
[09:52] <ubotu> File xlib.h found in graphviz-dev, kvirc-dev, libax25-dev, libcairo2-dev, libcegui-mk2-dev (and 7 others)
[09:52] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: Thnks
[09:52] <JohnFlux_> dimsuz: ^^
[09:52] <al00> |joe| Ati RAdeon 800XT GTO (PCIe)
[09:53] <visitor> john flux do u have a myspace?
[09:53] <JohnFlux_> visitor: no
[09:53] <dimsuz> JohnFlux_: Thanks!
[09:53] <visitor> why not?
[09:53] <JohnFlux_> dimsuz: hmm not useful though
[09:53] <JohnFlux_> dimsuz: wait
[09:53] <markelhas> JohnFlux_: i need now to discover why can't i brower de desktop from any pc
[09:53] <dimsuz> ubotu: find Xlib.h
[09:53] <|joe|> al00: well i'm afraid i can't help .... never had ati :)
[09:53] <ubotu> File xlib.h found in graphviz-dev, kvirc-dev, libax25-dev, libcairo2-dev, libcegui-mk2-dev (and 7 others)
[09:53] <dimsuz> JohnFlux_: becase of wrong name ;)
[09:53] <visitor> does anyone in here have a myspace?
[09:54] <dimsuz> JohnFlux_: hmm. so it's case insensitive
[09:54] <JohnFlux_> dimsuz: try xlibs-dev
[09:54] <al00> |joe|: Thanks for trying
[09:54] <JohnFlux_> dimsuz: or libx11-dev
[09:54] <zerak> |joe| not really sure what you mean by try it out since i dont see/hear any diffrence
[09:54] <Nuked> anyone here know anything about beryl?
[09:54] <lipe> do u have this file to send to me??
[09:54] <dimsuz> JohnFlux_: ok. I'll try. Thanks!
[09:54] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: I'm sitting next to the berly developers
[09:55] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: does that cout?
[09:55] <JohnFlux_> count
[09:55] <Nuked> JohnFlux absolutely
[09:55] <|joe|> zerak: you have to try now aplay -D dout
[09:55] <lipe> JohnFlux_: do u have this file to send to me, please??
[09:55] <Nuked> I installed beryl from berrokid;s repositories, but when I run beryl, there is no window border
[09:55] <JohnFlux_> lipe: i don't have it.  you will have to download and compile it yourself.  but I still don't understand why you want it.
[09:56] <|joe|> zerak: if you can hear sound you should be able to run more aplay's with -D dout in parallel
[09:56] <zerak> |joe| "$ aplay -D dout /usr/share/sounds/pop.wav"
[09:56] <zerak> |joe| ALSA lib pcm.c:2146:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM dout
[09:56] <zerak> |joe| aplay: main:547: audio open error: No such file or directory
[09:56] <zerak> |joe| justt as before
[09:56] <lipe> thanks
[09:56] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: possibly berly isn't running
[09:57] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: it crashed etc
[09:57] <|joe|> zerak: are you sure you have the ~/.asoundrc, it's saved
[09:57] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: so you don't have borders because you have no window manager
[09:57] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: btw beryl will be included with the next release of ubuntu
[09:57] <Nuked> I guess. If I stop beryl and run metacity everything goes back to normal
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: right
[09:58] <Lamington> hey all
[09:58] <|joe|> zerak: hmmm maybe plug:dout ? not sure :)
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: possibly you just don't have direct rendering
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: do  glxinfo | grep Direct
[09:58] <Lamington> I installed anon-proxy but I dunno how to get it to work with konqueror
[09:58] <|joe|> zerak: you can check aplay -L it should list the dout device
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: do  glxinfo | grep direct
[09:58] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: rather
[09:59] <Nuked> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
[09:59] <Nuked> direct rendering: Yes
[09:59] <JohnFlux_> Nuked: should work then
[09:59] <Lamington> I've got konqueror set to "automatically detecty proxy configuration"
[09:59] <Nuked> so all I do is run beryl and the border should show up?
[10:01] <JohnFlux_> Lamington: not sure that will work
[10:01] <Lamington> JohnFlux_: yeah I'm kinda learning stuff as I go...
[10:02] <gnomefreak> Nuked: in beryl sometimes the window borders dont show up. if you change the theme using emerald it will show the border with new theme.
[10:03] <Nuked> gnomefreak ill try it
[10:03] <Nuked> gnomefreak I just doubleclick on a theme?
[10:03] <gnomefreak> Nuked: yep should work that way
[10:03] <|joe|> anyone has an idea what's the difference between kdDebug and kndDebug?
[10:04] <gnomefreak> Nuked: i think single click would do it also but i double click just to be sure
[10:04] <Nuked> AHAHAHA IT WORKS
[10:04] <Nuked> MUAHAHAH
[10:04] <gnomefreak> ;)
[10:04] <Nuked> gnomefreak, I owe you a beer
[10:04] <Nuked> now just one more thing
[10:05] <|joe|> fyi the diff is that kndDebug does nothing :)
[10:05] <Nuked> how do I do the whole cube thing?
[10:05] <gnomefreak> Nuked: ctrl+alt+arrow
[10:05] <zerak> |joe| i am slow but should :       pcm "hw:0"       be pcm "hw:1" ?
[10:05] <|joe|> zerak: yes
[10:06] <lipe> some save me... superman... i need libelf.so.1
[10:06] <JohnFlux_> lipe: dude
[10:06] <Nuked> gnomefreak that switches me to the next desktop. is there a way I can make it pause between both?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> Nuked: not that i have found
[10:07] <JohnFlux_> lipe: If you were a coder then you'd be able to download and compile it
[10:07] <JohnFlux_> lipe: If you aren't a coder, then I can't see why you'd want it
[10:07] <gnomefreak> Nuked: if you use up or down arrows it gives you the beryl cube :)
[10:08] <Nuked> LMAO yeah this is pretty cool. Will this beryl work with dr17?
[10:08] <intelikey> lipe edgy ?
[10:08] <JohnFlux_> lipe: you could try doing  cp /usr/lib/libelf.so.0 /usr/lib/libelf.so.1
[10:08] <JohnFlux_> lipe: but i wouldn't recommend it ;-)
[10:08] <trappist> lipe: the systemtap package contains /usr/lib/systemtap/libelf.so.1
[10:09] <Nuked> Ill be right back
[10:09] <zerak> |joe| removed duplicate but i think it is correct, get a message that say that my file is old or corrupt
[10:09] <intelikey> johnflux a symlink maybe ....   but it does beg trubble
[10:11] <|joe|> zerak: try to remove the !default and ctl stuff
[10:11] <|joe|> zerak: but first check if you didn't forget some {}
[10:11] <reagleBRKLN> what to do to get konq 3.5.5 to work with new dell storefront?
[10:12] <intelikey> !flash
[10:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:12] <intelikey> is it flash ?
[10:13] <erdballer> hallo
[10:13] <zerak> |joe| what about changing       pcm "hw:1"      to     pcm "hw:1,0"
[10:13] <|joe|> zerak: can try
[10:13] <erdballer> ich habe eine problem: ein paar anwendungen mit synaptics installiert, fehlermeldungen (red-hat-paket??) und jetzt komm ich nicht mehr automatisch in X
[10:14] <erdballer> wie kann ich vergangene installationen einfach rckgngig machen?
[10:14] <erdballer> edgy
[10:15] <knapp> Anyone know why D4X would complete a 2.3gig file and then write it to disk as 0 bytes. ?
[10:15] <thingy> erdballer: /join #kubuntu-de
[10:15] <erdballer> thingy - warum kubuntu?
[10:16] <erdballer> oh ah
[10:16] <erdballer> sorry
[10:16] <intelikey> i want to export BLAH='something'   from a script and pick it up in the shell that called the script.    can it be done ?
[10:16] <erdballer> strange :) but thanks
[10:16] <thingy> erdballer: Ich spreche nicht Deutsches. Versuch, der innen bittet #kubuntu-de
[10:16] <thingy> ooh  dang it!
[10:17] <thingy> stupid google translate took too long to give me the german equiv of "I don't speak german...try kubuntu-de"
[10:18] <thingy> intelikey: export BLAH=blah blah
[10:18] <thingy> intelikey: does that work?
[10:19] <intelikey> thingy not the way you wrote it...  :)
[10:19] <intelikey> but no if it was a simple export i would have alread had it.
[10:19] <thingy> intelikey: I thought the export command mean't that it would stick in the running shell and not just in the running exec of the shell
[10:19] <thingy> intelikey: ah
[10:19] <thingy> intelikey: what about the set command ?
[10:20] <zerak> |joe| doesnt like my     "slave { "    since it complaines about the first letter on the next lines pcm "hw:1" and if # it takes the next
[10:20] <intelikey> it seems like the shell starts a new shell to run the script in and then when the script ends the shell exits  thus you loose all settings....
[10:21] <|joe|> zerak: and it says the .asoundrc is wrong??
[10:21] <intelikey> i suspose i could have the script end with  bash &    .....
[10:21] <zerak> |joe| old or corrupted, (it complains at a certain lina and column as mention before). Sry for my bad language in IRC, too fast for my own brain
[10:22] <trappist> intelikey: nohup scriptname
[10:22] <|joe|> zerak: i understand i just don't get it :)
[10:23] <intelikey> trappist looking.
[10:23] <zerak> |joe| it feels bad since this isnt suppose to be needed according to alsa
[10:24] <|joe|> zerak: well in many cases it unfortunately still is
[10:24] <|joe|> zerak: keyword "skype" :)
[10:24] <|joe|> zerak: maybe dmix has some params that specify the soundcard
[10:24] <intelikey> trappist no.  that redirects the output and also when the script exits the env is unchanged...
[10:24] <zerak> |joe| dont got skype yet (living in the stone age)
[10:25] <zerak> |joe| there must be a easy way since this is a very common card
[10:25] <|joe|> zerak: well i don't use it that much but i had to set it up
[10:25] <zerak> |joe| even though my is integrated
[10:25] <intelikey> it seems you can't even affect a   cd /path   from a script that will stick.
[10:25] <|joe|> zerak: on my sb live no prob but on onelaptopn .. well it wasn't officially supported i had to hack support into alsa for it
[10:25] <zerak> |joe| *mine ... =P
[10:26] <|joe|> zerak: but the .asoundrc to get skype working was pure black magic
[10:27] <zerak> |joe| cant one change the order it loads the modules, soundcard first then tv-card but how on earth am i suppose to do if i want to use tv-card too... =)
[10:28] <fannagoganna> yes, that's the problem with sound on Linux :)
[10:28] <fannagoganna> it's still voodoo
[10:28] <|joe|> zerak: i don't know how to change the order
[10:28] <|joe|> zerak: do you see any dmix in aplay -L ?
[10:28] <fannagoganna> the ALSA wiki page is horribly out of date
[10:28] <|joe|> zerak: or possibly more dmixes
[10:29] <fannagoganna> I could give you my dmix, but I couldn't even tell you why it works the way it does
[10:29] <|joe|> fannagoganna: you have an idea how the dmix gets configured if the sc is #1 and not #0 ?
[10:29] <fannagoganna> yeah, you need a capture entry
[10:29] <fannagoganna> for me it is card 1, device 0
[10:30] <|joe|> fannagoganna: but they say dmix gets configured automatically
[10:30] <|joe|> fannagoganna: i just wonder if that's true even in the case the sc is #1
[10:31] <|joe|> zerak: maybe you can give http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php#softmix a shot, there's already hw:1,0 ;)
[10:31] <fannagoganna> so here is what I have -- I have in my asoundrc file the following device,
[10:31] <fannagoganna> capture {
[10:31] <fannagoganna>   type hw
[10:31] <fannagoganna>   card 1
[10:31] <fannagoganna>   device 0
[10:31] <fannagoganna> sorry, forgot the last bracket
[10:31] <|joe|> well we want playback :)
[10:31] <fannagoganna> do you want my asoundrc file?
[10:32] <|joe|> zerak: omg maybe i found it
[10:32] <|joe|> zerak: aplay -Dplug:\'dmix:SLAVE=\"hw:1,0\",RATE=44100\' test.wav
[10:32] <fannagoganna> that's a way to test it for sure
[10:32] <|joe|> zerak: seems you can tell dmix to use your sc #1
[10:33] <zerak> |joe| Unknown parameter SLAVE
[10:33] <|joe|> lol
[10:33] <zerak> |joe| answere to the old question why that didnt work
[10:33] <zerak> |joe| failed after slave there too
[10:34] <|joe|> zerak: honestly i don't know
[10:34] <thingy> intelikey: yeah it looks like children cannot affect a parent's environment
[10:34] <zerak> |joe| thanks, you did at least took your time, long time
[10:34] <intelikey> thingy that's not what i want to hear.....
[10:34] <intelikey> ;/
[10:35] <|joe|> zerak: you're welcome ... just keep trying a little, you'll make it :)
[10:35] <zerak> |joe| thank you for everything
[10:35] <|joe|> zerak: see the sound generally works you just need to set up the dmix
[10:35] <zerak> |joe| i like dreams... =)
[10:35] <zerak> |joe| going to try changing autoload.d
[10:36] <intelikey> ok i'm used to using runtime configuration files anyway...   but i hate to add another one that may get altered regularly......
[10:36] <thingy> intelikey: ok how about this: http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/35918
[10:36] <zerak> |lacerta| works without tv-card wont work with
[10:36] <|joe|> zerak: you could use it even wout dmix but then you could always use only one sound app at a time
[10:37] <intelikey> Lacerta looking for a script to set a variable that the shell can reuse the next time it calls the script.
[10:38] <thingy> intelikey: did you read that url? how about exec your_script from inside your script...
[10:38] <zerak> |joe| but then kde sound test should work, it doesnt
[10:38] <thingy> intelikey: sounds scary that!
[10:38] <|joe|> zerak: you may need to specify the alsa as output and plughw:1,0 as the device in the config
[10:39] <thingy> umm...did Everyone just get spammed by Lacerta askign what the problem is?
[10:39] <|joe|> zerak: it's on the hardware tab
[10:39] <|joe|> well i did
[10:39] <intelikey> yeah but sourcing is not really a good idea in this case   errors may cause a   exit 2    which will kill the shell
[10:39] <|joe|> but couldn't answer
[10:39] <thingy> I think he did it at the same time to everyone
[10:39] <zerak> |joe| dont know how to do that, but i am going to try chaning order, do u know where "autoload.d" is in ubuntu / kubuntu
[10:40] <|joe|> zerak: in kde sound system, tab hardware
[10:40] <|joe|> zerak: know nothing about autoload
[10:40] <intelikey> thingy yes got msg'd
[10:41] <intelikey> was probably a /msg #kubuntu blah
[10:41] <nroberts> hi i need help installing rpm files
[10:41] <intelikey> nroberts don't
[10:41] <nroberts> dont what.
[10:41] <intelikey> use a ubuntu .deb file.
[10:41] <zerak> |joe| thanks, some sound at least
[10:42] <thingy> intelikey: i thought they don't allow that
[10:42] <intelikey> nroberts what .rpm you looking at ?
[10:42] <zerak> |joe| but if i start running several mp3 it wont work ? =)
[10:42] <nroberts> limewirelinux.rpm
[10:42] <|joe|> zerak: exactly, that's where you need dmix :)
[10:42] <|joe|> zerak: that was actually the reason i bought sb live
[10:42] <intelikey> thingy if not it's a script.  either way  pfft.
[10:43] <intelikey> !limewire
[10:43] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[10:43] <intelikey> !FrostWire
[10:43] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:43] <intelikey> nroberts see the links. ^
[10:43] <nroberts> yes
[10:44] <intelikey> k make your life easy if you want.    but don't make ours hard :)
[10:44] <thingy> intelikey: well this is just explaining why setting environ vars from a script won't work. http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-05/msg01011.html
[10:44] <zerak> |joe| maybe a fix in next release if one is lucky, however i found that menu irritating, sometimes it reloads several times
[10:45] <intelikey> cygwin  heh
[10:45] <|joe|> zennix: what menu
[10:45] <|joe|> zerak: what menu
[10:45] <|joe|> $#@$@ tab
[10:45] <zerak> |joe| kde sound  system
[10:45] <zerak> |joe| if you apply settings it reloads
[10:46] <|joe|> zerak: gotta set once and don't touch for the rest of your life
[10:46] <thingy> zerak: are you trying to setup dmix with alsa?
[10:46] <zerak> |joe| sometimes it get stuck, sometimes it reloads forever, sometimes it instantly work
[10:46] <|joe|> thingy: :)
[10:46] <zerak> thingy tried
[10:46] <|joe|> thingy: we can play sound via plughw:1,0
[10:46] <intelikey> thingy yeah...   </grumbles> "i'll find some way"
[10:46] <thingy> zerak: Gentoo has a nice doc on it...its applicable somewhat... http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix
[10:46] <|joe|> thingy: but setting up dmix for this seems to be not so straightforward :)
[10:47] <thingy> zerak: haven't gotten around to doing it on my box yet
[10:47] <zerak> thingy same problem as me then?
[10:47] <thingy> zerak: no...not even started on it.
[10:47] <|joe|> zerak: i suggest you're be happy today with plughw and try the dmix tomorrow :)
[10:48] <Acc\Deny> hi anyone with experience of installing on intel 845 board?
[10:49] <Acc\Deny> I am experiencing a small problem even with text-mode install!
[10:49] <thingy> which is?
[10:49] <Acc\Deny> Hi. I m trying to Install Dapper on text mode using alternate install CD. During the final stage(s) of installation... there was nothing on screen so i just pressed enter 2/3 times... after a while the cd tray opens and the system restarted with GRUB menu... I selected Ubuntu but now it has some block size errors on /boot.
[10:49] <zerak> |joe| what if i move snd-ca0106 up, below psmouse in loading
[10:49] <|joe|> zerak: where is it?
[10:49] <Acc\Deny> I was also hoping i would be prompted some where to configure grub...
[10:49] <zerak> vi /etc/modules
[10:50] <zerak> |joe| vi /etc/modules
[10:50] <josh__> my linux partition doesnt show up in storage media! only my windows one is visible
[10:50] <Acc\Deny> but that didn't happen
[10:50] <|joe|> zerak: well if you have it there listed, try it
[10:50] <|joe|> zerak: i don't have mine
[10:50] <thingy> Acc\Deny: boot from the cd again and choose to boot the rescue system. it will ask you all the intial questions and then give you the option to re-install grub
[10:50] <josh__> can someone tell me why?
[10:51] <zerak> |joe| lp  psmouse  sbp2  sr_mod  snd-ca0106
[10:51] <Hawkwind> !hidden | josh__
[10:51] <ubotu> josh__: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[10:51] <Acc\Deny> thingy: ok... and these block errors i am getting about the /boot?
[10:51] <|joe|> zerak: but do you see your tv tuner there as well?
[10:51] <thingy> Acc\Deny: am not sure what that is...when do you get the message? Does the kernel boot at all? does it get as far as starting init ?
[10:51] <Acc\Deny> i have prepared a separate partition for /boot with the 1024 limit...
[10:52] <lucky_> #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:52] <Acc\Deny> yes it does start init.... stops and tells me to repait it manually with a different block size... as it has detected some corruption...
[10:52] <josh__> what the hell
[10:52] <josh__> why
[10:53] <Acc\Deny> repair*.... tried dmesg but that specific error is somehow not logged into wherever dmesg stores stuff....
[10:53] <intelikey> oooo fs errors...
[10:53] <thingy> Acc\Deny: ??? odd. What's your part scheme look like
[10:53] <zerak> |joe|  no you are right, not there
[10:54] <intelikey> does partition table affect block size ?
[10:54] <|joe|> zerak: i'd go the dmix way, once i was trying to fight with the order and gave up
[10:54] <thingy> intelikey: nope...but just want to know how hes partitioned
[10:54] <|joe|> zerak: but if you'll find a way let me know :)
[10:54] <zerak> |joe| think i surrender, at least for the moment
[10:54] <thingy> intelikey: sounds like hes installed grub somewhere else since he blindly pressed enter during grub install
[10:55] <|joe|> zerak: it's not like surrendering, it's just making a pause ;-)
[10:55] <intelikey> yeah possably thingy;  i'll stay out of that, i'm a lilo guy.   can't use grub here.
[10:56] <trappist> intelikey: xfs?
[10:57] <intelikey> no ext2
[10:57] <trappist> why can't you use grub?
[10:57] <intelikey> but on sda
[10:57] <trappist> <-- former lilo guy
[10:57] <trappist> oh
[10:57] <thingy> intelikey: why not ext3?
[10:57] <Acc\Deny> thingy: sorry was checking it... it is 4G+100M+20G+2G+20G+15G+10G+4.5G
[10:58] <Acc\Deny> 2nd is for /boot and linux goes on last one... last one being divided into a / and a swap.
[10:58] <zerak> |joe| to bad they dont got as extensive documentation as gentoo, not the same filenames either
[10:58] <thingy> Acc\Deny: so 100mb =/ boot and 4.5gb = / ?
[10:58] <Acc\Deny> thingy: yup
[10:59] <thingy> Acc\Deny: just to confirm..this is one hdd right? ide/sata/scsi?
[10:59] <|joe|> zerak: well in gentoo you have to do everything by hand, in kubuntu things are supposed to work i'd say
[10:59] <Acc\Deny> thingy: ide 80GB
[10:59] <intelikey> thingy i've never seen any need for the journal on my system  and ext2 does allow for recovering deleted files.... not that i've done that but one time....   but i'm  a minimalist   why have things you don't need      like partitions and journals...
[10:59] <|joe|> zerak: did you use gentoo before?
[11:00] <thingy> intelikey: well in that case...you should make sure you have noted down the output from your mke2fs regarding the superblock positions...since you will need those in the future if fs goes borked.
[11:00] <zerak> |joe| no but a friend who do (no he wont come within 30 feets from a computer with ubuntu or a fork)
[11:00] <Acc\Deny> |joe|: do u know of a distro which does not ask me to compile everything but is also as flexible as gentoo :) ? i mean someway in between?
[11:00] <|joe|> no
[11:01] <intelikey> thingy yeah.  they are at binarry eqs so it's easy.
[11:01] <|joe|> but i used gentoo before and consider personally kubuntu better :)
[11:01] <Acc\Deny> thingy: what really irritates me is a lost display at the end...
[11:01] <intelikey> thingy one at 16384 another at 32768 ...