[04:43] <dash> heatxsink: it shows all of the sliders for the oss mixer :)
[04:44] <thully> hi - I'm happy to say I can ditch Windows now!
[04:44] <dash> thully: HOORJ
[04:44] <thully> I found out that you can use the itunes store on Linux using a GNOME app
[04:44] <dash> yes :D
[04:44] <jimarko> gtkpod :D w00t
[04:45] <thully> no - ipod and the store also
[04:45] <jimarko> oo, really?
[04:45] <thully> there's a third-party client - may have some legal issues though (a la DeCSS)
[04:45] <jimarko> ah, ok
[04:46] <heatxsink> thully, ?
[04:46] <heatxsink> thully, how?
[04:46] <jimarko> wine?
[04:46] <thully> also,you can run the iTunes client in crossover
[04:46] <heatxsink> dman..
[04:46] <mdblitz1> thully: shouldn't have a legal issues itunes is free
[04:46] <heatxsink> dash, damn, still nothing
[04:46] <thully> no - it doesn't use the itunes app - it's a third-party interface for the store
[04:46] <heatxsink> aumix shows everything like the mixer gui
[04:47] <heatxsink> thully, awesome, someone figured out how the webservice works!
[04:47] <mdblitz1> as long as they (apple) are still making money I can't see them caring too much
[04:47] <thully> Also, I think there is a DMCA exception for interoperability
[04:47] <heatxsink> DMCA?
[04:48] <thully> DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act - google it for more info
[04:49] <regeya> you speak of a third-party itunes music store app
[04:49] <crimsun> I use iTunes and export using JHymn
[04:49] <heatxsink> does anyone else in here use a KVM, and find that when they goto another machine then come back to their box with ubuntu, their scroll wheel doesn't work?
[04:49] <jimarko> heatxsink: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fdman&r=f
[04:50] <thully> PyMusique - google it
[04:50] <jimarko> that link has nothing to do with anything technical..
[04:50] <jimarko> btw :D
[04:50] <heatxsink> jimarko, damn you
[04:50] <heatxsink> jimarko, :-)
[04:50] <jimarko> lol, its all good :D
[04:52] <WebMaven> Hi folks, what is the default password for a Hoary LiveCD?
[04:52] <thully> To use that you need all the gstreamer plugins installed
[04:53] <thully> This actually helped sway my decision to get an iPod - native AAC support, so no transcoding necessary
[04:53] <WebMaven> I managed to lock myself out of the desktop, and it says the username is 'ubuntu', but I don't know what the password is.
[04:54] <thully> ubuntu is the password - i think
[04:54] <WebMaven> no, I tried that.
[04:54] <WebMaven> also tried hoary
[04:54] <thully> hmm - dunno - maybe try no password at all?
[04:55] <ryan450> hey gang, got a simple one for ya.. how do I get GCC compiler installed? I used the synaptic package manager to install gcc 3.4, but when I got to compile it says its not in $PATHS
[04:55] <jimarko> can you sudo the command 'passwd' and change the password?
[04:55] <WebMaven> no password doesn't work either.
[04:55] <jimarko> ryan450, try 'apt-get install build-essentials'
[04:56] <WebMaven> jimarko: I suppose I could go to tty1 and change the password, but what's the point with a liveCD?
[04:56] <jimarko> WebMaven, too true..
[04:56] <jimarko> lol
[04:57] <WebMaven> I'm not worried I'll lose any data, after all.
[04:57] <WebMaven> I can just reboot.
[04:57] <WebMaven> But I'd like to know what it is so I don't *have* to reboot.
[04:58] <spiderworm> anybody know of a OSS program for windows i could use to create a cd from an ubuntu iso image?
[04:58] <mkahand> hey all, really quick, what kind of partition should I give hoary? ext3? reiser?
[04:58] <kerframil> mkahand: what kind of filesystem? my vote goes for ext3
[04:58] <Marble2> ext3
[04:58] <dash> mkahand: LVM!!
[04:58] <dash> ;)
[04:59] <mkahand> oh .. now i have two answers
[04:59] <mkahand> does it make a difference?
[04:59] <mkahand> *significant*
[04:59] <dash> ext3 on lvm is awesome
[04:59] <Brunellus_> OK.  anybody know how to set up a network printer?
[04:59] <regeya> ext3
[04:59] <WebMaven> mkahand: are you intending to experiment with filesystems, or do you just want to do the install?
[05:00] <dash> especially since the installer makes it so easy
[05:00] <mkahand> dash, does that mean I select 'physical volume for LVM'?
[05:00] <dash> mkahand: yeah
[05:00] <regeya> if you wnat something solid, ext3
[05:00] <mkahand> webmaven, i just want to install. I'm trying to dual booty
[05:00] <mkahand> boot
[05:00] <mkahand> :)
[05:00] <dash> arrr
[05:00] <WebMaven> ext3, then.
[05:00] <mkahand> ok, thanks
[05:00] <kerframil> mkahand: if you don't know what LVM is then I suggest you avoid it (in brief: you define logical volumes instead of partitions - and this has nothing to do with filesystems per se)
[05:00] <Brunellus_> any experience with little print servers out there?
[05:00] <drspin> dual booty == string(too much work)
[05:01] <dash> Brunellus_: hmm. so you have a printer on your network and you want to connect to it with ubuntu>
[05:01] <drspin> one nice booty usually suffices :)
[05:01] <dash> ?
[05:01] <mkahand> ok, so this ext3 is my second partition... Bootable flag, on/off?
[05:01] <dash> for dual booty you need the experimental pirate extensions for grub
[05:01] <WebMaven> drspin: I disagree. You need two, one is yours.
[05:01] <dash> mkahand: doesn't matter
[05:01] <mkahand> i will still need to go back and install windows
[05:01] <mkahand> ok
[05:02] <drspin> WebMaven: yeah but mine isn't so nice... her's is quite the opposite :)
[05:02] <Brunellus_> dash:  yes.  I have a printer on the network, and I want it to work with warty
[05:02] <WebMaven> drspin: better shape up your booty then, if you want to maintain access to hers... ;-)
[05:02] <Brunellus_> the printer is connected to the network with a little parallel-port printserver thing
[05:03] <dash> Brunellus_: hmm, i haven't used warty so i'm not sure about that
[05:03] <Brunellus_> my windows box sees & prints from it fine as an SMB printer
[05:03] <dash> Brunellus_: but on hoary it's under System->Administration->Printing
[05:03] <drspin> WebMaven: the rest of me is doing pretty good -- she likes it -- and I like showing it off at the lake :)
[05:03] <Brunellus_> looking in smb://workgroup I can see the print server
[05:03] <WebMaven> Ok, so no-one knows what the default password is for a Hoary LiveCD. This is perplexing.
[05:04] <mkahand> by the way, maybe this isnt the place, but those of you who work on ubuntu, you all rock. thank you so much for such a great product
[05:04] <Marble2> ditto
[05:04] <jimarko> indeed
[05:05] <WebMaven> me three.
[05:05] <Brunellus_> when I try to print I get this error:
[05:05] <Brunellus_> Printing: Call timed out: server did not respond after 10000 milliseconds closing remote file Test Page
[05:05] <WebMaven> All right, I guess I'm rebooting the laptop then.
[05:05] <Brunellus_> why is the server not responding?  I assume that it's being found.
[05:06] <WebMaven> bye all.
[05:06] <jimarko> Cya guys, i'm outta here too :D
[05:06] <jimarko> bye
[05:06] <ne1> does anyone know of an ubuntu repository containing a kernel with inotify support (for beagle)?
[05:06] <skreet> Where are power management options in Ubuntu (Hoary)
[05:06] <drspin> anyone pretty good at configuring sound?
[05:06] <fr500> skreet, maybe the battery indicator icon
[05:07] <skreet> No like, automatic suspend and
[05:07] <skreet> such
[05:07] <dash> ne1: hmm. i believe it's in hoary's 2.6.10-4 packages
[05:07] <ryan450> anybody know how to solve this ./configure error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:07] <dash> skreet: yep, it does that stuff.
[05:07] <skreet> ...
[05:08] <crimsun> ne1: inotify is currently disabled for stability reasons.
[05:08] <skreet> .... "Where are power managment OPTIONS"
[05:08] <skreet> ... so I can turn that *crap* off.
[05:08] <ne1> dash: I'm running that already
[05:08] <fr500> there are some scripts on the acpi folders
[05:08] <skreet> So theres no GUI configuation dialog of power managment?
[05:09] <fr500> i dont think so
[05:09] <skreet> Gah
[05:09] <ne1> crimsun: is there a way to enable it, or is it a kernel recompile?
[05:09] <Marble2> drspin: what'cha need?
[05:09] <dash> ryan450: you need to install xlibs-dev, i bet.
[05:09] <dash> skreet: not sure i understand; what's to configure?
[05:10] <fr500> skreet, pretty sure they are working on that
[05:10] <fr500> dash, he wants to disable
[05:10] <fr500> why not turning off acpi then?
[05:10] <dash> oh, missed that
[05:10] <skreet> dash: Disable Automatic monitor shutoff, disable automatic suspend.
[05:10] <skreet> fr500, I could turn of ACPI i suppose, wheres the Dialog to do that? :D
[05:11] <skreet> It's something they need to impliment nonetheless, exuase my attitude I just spent an hour installing World of Warcraft to get it to crash on me left and right, corrupt file I need to reinstall it all over again and now I'm pissssssed
[05:11] <skreet> Bye.
[05:11] <fr500> skreet, no dialog either you need to chmod 666 acpi service i think
[05:11] <dash> heh
[05:11] <fr500> lol
[05:11] <drspin> Marble2: it's not me it's eb0x -- we've loaded the drivers for his SB Live (same card I have) -- lspci shows the card as a SB Live -- /dev/dsp doesn't EVER show up
[05:11] <crimsun> ne1: enabling it often results in machine crashes (i.e. freezes)
[05:11] <dash> editing /etc/default/acpi-support seems right
[05:11] <fr500> is there a services configuration app like in rh?
[05:12] <Marble2> wow, no idea. sorry :(
[05:13] <drspin> Marble2: no worries, thanks for the attempt ;)
[05:14] <membreya> well, I found out there's no way to convert fat32/ntfs to ext2/ext3...so backing up 80 gb..joy :D
[05:14] <geneo91> i could say this thing is really confused i shows 3 cdroms and i have only 2 a dvd-r and a scsi cdr
[05:14] <drspin> membreya: can I borrow your backup medium when you're done -- I have 50 G of music stored on my NTFS and it's annoying
[05:14] <tizen> drspin: same, but 60
[05:15] <tizen> lol
[05:15] <tizen> 50 i could do almost
[05:15] <mdblitz1> I just keep piles of dvds and cds laying around
[05:15] <tizen> i have a 40 gigger lying here
[05:15] <membreya> going to get a 200gb SATA soon ...but I have to pry myself away from $160AUD
[05:15] <membreya> only got a 120gb right now :(
[05:15] <mdblitz1> couldn't tell you what was on any of them though
[05:15] <drspin> membreya: sell me you're 120 ;)
[05:16] <membreya> :P
[05:16] <drspin> tizen: 40 gigs??? I'll send you some $$$ for it...
[05:16] <ne1> crimsun: ok thanks,
[05:16] <tizen> drspin: nah, it's coming in the system soon
[05:16] <membreya> god..i threw away 2x40gb PATAs
[05:16] <tizen> drspin: I dropped a 15k rpm SCSI drive yesterday
[05:16] <drspin> boo --
[05:16] <tizen> still trying to fix it
[05:16] <tizen> i put it in in the 40gb spot
[05:17] <drspin> tizen: no way -- this other computer has ALL-scsi interfaces...
[05:17] <membreya> mmm 15k :) hot little drive
[05:17] <drspin> and the 15 G in it is full -- with as much as I could get on it...
[05:17] <tizen> i dropped it, and it spins but i can't read it
[05:17] <drspin> tizen: willing to donate and see if I can fix it?
[05:17] <drspin> or get it fixed?
[05:17] <drspin> LOL
[05:18] <tizen> drspin: I'm gonna call the supplier
[05:18] <tizen> see if they'll send it to seagate
[05:18] <drspin> tizen: good call --
[05:18] <drspin> tizen: I just need to sack up and get a usb 2.0 card and an external HD
[05:19] <ryan450> not sure which packages I need, heres the error..... checking for KDE... configure: error:
[05:19] <ryan450> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[05:19] <ryan450> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[05:19] <ryan450> any ideas gang?
[05:19] <membreya> have you got kde install ryan450 ?:P
[05:20] <nomasteryoda><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:20] <eb0x> Can anyone help me with a sound issue? I've got a Creative SoundBlaster Live! Value sound card. drspin and i have been trying to get this working for the better part of the afternoon, does anybody have any ideas?
[05:22] <geneo91> ebone:  i have the 5.1 card and it seems ok had a few issues with kde but ok now
[05:22] <tizen> eb0x: nothing works at all?
[05:22] <tizen> eb0x: do you have devices in /dev ?
[05:24] <eb0x> no tizen nothing works
[05:24] <eb0x> I have a whole bunch of stuff in /dev
[05:24] <eb0x> and i pasted the list to drspin earlier, and he said there were no audio things in there
[05:25] <tizen> i mean like /dev/audio*
[05:25] <tizen> do you have any of those
[05:25] <geneo91> ebone:  what kernel
[05:25] <eb0x> Nope
[05:26] <eb0x> What is supposed to show up in dmesg |tail?
[05:26] <eb0x> drspin kept asking me to do that
[05:28] <eb0x> someone also said something about a module called emu10k1x or something like that
[05:28] <eb0x> How do i install that module?
[05:29] <geneo91> hmm could be that you have irq conflict
[05:29] <geneo91> ebone:  can you try a different slot for sound card
[05:30] <eb0x> im eb0xx
[05:30] <eb0x> and im not sure
[05:34] <crimsun> eb0x: paste the output of lspci -n -v onto http://pastebin.ca, please
[05:36] <eb0x> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7342
[05:42] <crimsun> eb0x: audigy?
[05:46] <crimsun> eb0x: ?
[05:47] <geneo91> hmm
[05:47] <geneo91> crimsun:  maybe you could help me with tv card
[05:48] <crimsun> not much experience with tv cards, sorry.
[05:48] <geneo91> yeah this has fm radio also
[05:49] <seadawg> i've got an interesting problem.  i wonder if some brave person wouldn't mind trying to help me...not sure if its with gnome 2.10 or ubuntu
[05:49] <eb0x> crimsun: No
[05:49] <eb0x> crimsun: SoundBlaster Live
[05:49] <tizen> geneo91: What's wrong?
[05:49] <crimsun> eb0x: the system id looks like an OEM Dell sblive
[05:49] <tizen> geneo91: I've only set one up once... And the sound didn't sync correctly
[05:50] <geneo91> well tizen when i try xawtv it just crashes system
[05:50] <crimsun> eb0x: is it in a Dell?
[05:50] <eb0x> crimsun: yes
[05:50] <seadawg> does anybody us LDAP for authentication and have trouble with the sudo items in the Administration menu?
[05:50] <geneo91> and tv time says no input
[05:50] <tizen> geneo91: Ah, we used 'tvtime' never used xawtv
[05:51] <crimsun> eb0x: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[05:51] <geneo91> tizen:  i have us broadcast here but in suse it works fine
[05:51] <ebone> hey geneo91 , you mean eb0x , not ebone . :)
[05:51] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[05:51] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[05:52] <tizen> geneo91: tvtime works with any broadcast
[05:52] <tizen> give it a try
[05:52] <Marble2> how do I extract (and use) a .bin?
[05:52] <tizen> Marble2: usually, sh <bin filename> will do everything
[05:52] <crimsun> eb0x: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[05:53] <eb0x> emu10k1_gp              3840  0
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[05:53] <Marble2> thanks
[05:53] <crimsun> eb0x: modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[05:53] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found.
[05:53] <eb0x> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1x
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[05:54] <crimsun> eb0x: are you running warty or hoary?
[05:54] <eb0x> hoary
[05:54] <eb0x> But it did the same on warty
[05:54] <_Rotund> anyone here that could tell me where to get NVIDIA 7167 drivers for Hoary?
[05:54] <geneo91> hmm thats crazy i could change video source now it seems ok
[05:55] <crimsun> _Rotund: there won't be
[05:55] <heatxsink> Nvidia is broken isn't it?
[05:55] <geneo91> could'nt
[05:55] <crimsun> heatxsink: not with -27
[05:55] <heatxsink> nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)
[05:55] <heatxsink> oh nice nice
[05:55] <eb0x> _Rotund: Refer to the topic.
[05:55] <heatxsink> how do I get that?
[05:55] <_Rotund> I have a 6200Tc that won't work w/o the latest
[05:55] <eb0x> Ubuntu Help | Support Information: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ | Hoary preview is released! http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> hey, i just learned from my friend his 8-9 yearold son loves Ubuntu
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> has it on his laptop
[05:55] <_Rotund> oh right -=)
[05:55] <crimsun> _Rotund: then use the installer
[05:55] <eb0x> ;p
[05:56] <_Rotund> yeah.  it KINDA works, but the emul stuff doesn't (I'm on 64-bit too)
[05:56] <crimsun> eb0x: please paste lsmod output onto pastebin.ca
[05:56] <EfaistOs> is hoary quite stable ?
[05:56] <crimsun> in my experience, yes, EfaistOs.
[05:57] <eb0x> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7343
[05:57] <SidDithersL> does anybody here know why I can't receive information, but I can send it? iwconfig reports Rx is 100%, but Tx has retried several times and has several invalid misc
[05:57] <geneo91> tizen:  seems ok now
[05:58] <EfaistOs> crimsun, because i ned a new version of inkscape which is still to 0.38 in warty and the 0.41 is already available
[05:58] <SidDithersL> just curious if anyone in this channel knows
[05:59] <crimsun> EfaistOs: 0.40 is what Hoary will ship with, more than likely.
[05:59] <EfaistOs> oki
[05:59] <SidDithersL> anyone at all?
[05:59] <crimsun> SidDithersL: need more debugging information.
[05:59] <EfaistOs> i tried to compile it manually but the 0.41 needs libgc which is installed but doesnt work ...
[06:00] <SidDithersL> crimsun, how can I get that for you?
[06:01] <calamari> yay for warty! :)
[06:02] <crimsun> EfaistOs: sudo apt-get install libgc-dev
[06:02] <crimsun> SidDithersL: what does tcpdump tell you?
[06:02] <EfaistOs> crimsun, already installed but the compilation still doesnt work
[06:02] <crimsun> EfaistOs: did you rerun configure?
[06:03] <eb0x> crimsun: did that lsmod thing give you any insight about my stupid computer ;x
[06:03] <EfaistOs> it was installed the first time i run it
[06:03] <crimsun> eb0x: reboot with acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:04] <SidDithersL> crimsun id have to disconnect to tell you
[06:04] <SidDithersL> and thats kind of an oxymoron :P
[06:05] <crimsun> that's fine, I'll be here a while.
[06:05] <EfaistOs> crimsun, it needs 6.4 and i have 6.2
[06:05] <ScislaC> I'm migrating from Mandrake to Ubuntu... there are some files I'm trying to move over from my mdk partition and they're not looking like myself or root have permission... any ideas?
[06:05] <eb0x> crimsun: How do I do that?
[06:05] <SidDithersL> crimsun all it does it report what sites I visit and things like that, which is useless because it cant connect to them anyway
[06:05] <crimsun> ScislaC: root always has permission unless you're using ACLs
[06:06] <crimsun> SidDithersL: no, I want to see what is being sent (and not returned)
[06:06] <ScislaC> crimsun: when I tried via bash it just says "omitting" that dir
[06:06] <SidDithersL> ok hold
[06:07] <crimsun> eb0x: when the grub boot menu comes up after you reboot, hit 'e', scroll to the far right side (end of line) and type acpi_irq_isa=7, then hit enter and press 'b'
[06:08] <eb0x> will it say grub on the thing soemwhere?
[06:08] <eb0x> sorry, i'm very new to *nix
[06:08] <crimsun> eb0x: yes, it's a menu that pops up that allows you to select a kernel
[06:09] <eb0x> okay i'll look for that
[06:09] <eb0x> thanks
[06:09] <eb0x> and i'll be right back i hope
[06:11] <knucks> im having problems with x11 on hoary + nvidia
[06:11] <knucks> i cant load the normal gnome gui
[06:11] <hone> knucks: it's broke I think
[06:11] <crimsun> knucks: update && upgrade
[06:11] <knucks> i get a terminal screen
[06:11] <crimsun> knucks: then reboot
[06:11] <SSidDithersLI> now it seems to be working
[06:11] <knucks> crimsun: eh?
[06:11] <SSidDithersLI> let me see
[06:13] <bestadvocate> any amd64 users with hoary know the status of Mono packages?
[06:14] <knucks> ugh seriously
[06:14] <knucks> can somsone help me?
[06:14] <knucks> i finally got x11 to work
[06:14] <knucks> but i get errorsafter i log in to ubuntu
[06:14] <knucks> but i dont know what they say
[06:14] <knucks> they are popups and are blank
[06:14] <knucks> and i dont get that welcome loading screen thing where all the stuff loads in the bottom part of the splash
[06:15] <crimsun> knucks: what did you do to make the X Window System work?
[06:15] <ace2001ac> knucks: i have nvidia and hoary
[06:15] <knucks> for some reason when i did apt-get remove xserver, it didnt
[06:15] <ace2001ac> knucks: on amd64
[06:15] <knucks> so i had to do it manually
[06:15] <knucks> and then i installed it w/ apt get install
[06:15] <knucks> so i can actually get it back and it seems to be on nvidia drivers
[06:15] <knucks> but now its all weird
[06:16] <knucks> i cant move windows
[06:16] <bestadvocate> knucks: weird.   sometimes I get problems like that,  so I deleated my enter .gnome dirrectory and a couple other dirrectories that are automatically generated and the problem whent away, but i had to move all the menus back the way I like um
[06:16] <knucks> i didnt have this problem before
[06:16] <bestadvocate> but its proboly not he same problem
[06:16] <knucks> in fact, i was happy wit hthe default nv drivers
[06:16] <ace2001ac> knucks: i had it working yesterday but i upgraded and now it doesn't work anymore
[06:16] <knucks> but thne i installed the nvidia ones and it screwed up
[06:16] <crimsun> ace2001ac: update && upgrade, then reboot
[06:17] <ace2001ac> crimsun: ok, i'll try
[06:18] <geneo91> crimsun:  i have hoary and nvidia drivers and have no issues
[06:18] <crimsun> geneo91: have you rebooted in the last 2 days?
[06:18] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i already did
[06:18] <geneo91> oh yes
[06:18] <ace2001ac> crimsun: only new package is wget
[06:19] <crimsun> ace2001ac: what doesn't work anymore?
[06:19] <ace2001ac> crimsun: nvidia module is loaded but glxinfo shows that it isn't working
[06:20] <knucks> ok i loaded into Gnome w/ failsafe
[06:20] <knucks> seems to work fine this way
[06:20] <knucks> but i get this error:
[06:20] <knucks> Error Activating XKB configuration
[06:21] <crimsun> ace2001ac: as in Direct Rendering: no ?
[06:21] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i found the problem
[06:22] <Coily> if i want to use shockwave in linux im pretty much screwed is that correct?
[06:22] <geneo91> OpenGL version string: 1.5.2 NVIDIA 66.29
[06:22] <Coily> anyone?
[06:23] <ace2001ac> crimsun: when i ran 'nvidia-glx-config enable' it apparently didn't change the xorg.conf file properly, or maybe I didn't run it at the right time
[06:23] <Smeven> so
[06:23] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i'll restart X and let you know if it works
[06:23] <crimsun> Coily: shockwave what?
[06:23] <Smeven> how do i turn on autodiscovery with howl on ubuntui
[06:23] <crimsun> Coily: flash? director?
[06:24] <Coily> flash
[06:24] <knucks> guys im running hoary w/ nvidia drivers
[06:24] <knucks> but im currently in Gnome Failsafe
[06:24] <knucks> the rest doesnt seem to work
[06:24] <knucks> somethings weird with the drivers
[06:24] <crimsun> Coily: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:24] <Agrajag> knucks: read the topic
[06:24] <knucks> ahhh!
[06:25] <knucks> any idea when there will be a fix?
[06:25] <knucks> i mean i can stay on failsafe for a while
[06:25] <Agrajag> I dunno
[06:25] <knucks> doesnt bother me right now
[06:25] <knucks> but still :/
[06:25] <crimsun> knucks: that's why I asked you to update && upgrade, then reboot
[06:25] <Coily> crimsun, erm i guess i didnt mean flash
[06:25] <knucks> crimsun: what do u mean?
[06:25] <knucks> i ran apt-get update
[06:25] <knucks> and rebooted..
[06:25] <crimsun> knucks: you didn't run apt-get upgrade after apt-get update
[06:26] <Coily> i mean to be able to play dcr files in firefox
[06:26] <knucks> what would the upgrade do?
[06:26] <Agrajag> that's director
[06:26] <Coily> ok sorry
[06:26] <Agrajag> and there is no plugin for that
[06:26] <geneo91> update all your apps
[06:26] <crimsun> knucks: install a fixed kernel (-27), which was available yesterday morning several hours after the topic was changed.
[06:26] <Coily> is there progress being made to create a plugin?
[06:26] <elmaya> how do i install cursor themes?
[06:26] <Agrajag> I doubt it
[06:27] <Coily> oh well
[06:27] <Teal`c> getting strange problems... loading azereus causes my network connection to freeze, go into a coma like state... ipconfig shows no problem but running route just hangs
[06:27] <Teal`c> with hoary
[06:28] <crimsun> Teal`c: are you using jre/jdk 1.5.0_01?
[06:28] <thully> Before I started using Ubuntu, I was a KDE person.  However, I like the newer releases of GNOME, and I've found I use more GTK apps than QT apps. So, Ubuntu has really made me like GNOME.
[06:28] <Teal`c> ya
[06:28] <crimsun> Teal`c: anything via dmesg pertaining to an oops?
[06:28] <thully> Plus,it's like the older mac interface,which I liked.
[06:28] <Teal`c> 1.5.0 something at least
[06:28] <crimsun> thully: great :-)
[06:29] <thully> which is because one of the original mac engineers has worked on GNOME
[06:29] <thully> I just wish there were better customization options and a better CD burner app
[06:30] <crimsun> thully: tried graveman?
[06:30] <geneo91> i like gcombust
[06:30] <crimsun> honesty, I'm a remnant of the cdrecord days.
[06:31] <AlphaandOmega> hello
[06:31] <thully> hmm - maybe I should try - although I won't be burning much audio since I ordered an ipod mini
[06:31] <kerframil> thully: also, Nero has been ported to Linux
[06:31] <AlphaandOmega> ipods kick ass
[06:31] <Panda> how do i launch gnome from riit?
[06:31] <Panda> root^
[06:31] <AlphaandOmega> I have an ipod photo
[06:31] <thully> yes - saw that - nice to see more linux support
[06:32] <AlphaandOmega> it needs linux software to support it
[06:32] <kerframil> yes, indeed
[06:32] <ubuntu> I just tried booting the AMD64 LiveCD on an AthlonXP system, and it told me to get a 32bit distro.
[06:32] <AlphaandOmega> I can only use the photo feature with my iBook
[06:32] <Panda> what command do i use to launch gnome from "roly@roly $"
[06:32] <thully> ipods don't have OGG, but all my music is in MP3 or AAC format (some music store tracks - btw there are ways touse that on linux too)
[06:33] <Teal`c> i tried the kde burner program but found it interface rather clunky, cdrecord has always been the easiest to use imho
[06:33] <isaac> Panda: gnome-session
[06:33] <crimsun> down with iTunes' m4p - use JHymn!
[06:33] <ace2001ac> crimsun: it works now
[06:33] <Panda> k
[06:33] <crimsun> ace2001ac: great
[06:33] <ace2001ac> crimsun: :)
[06:33] <ubuntu> I thought the AMD Athlon XP was an AMD64 cpu.
[06:33] <isaac> panda: you need to have x running for that to work though
[06:33] <thully> or you can use PyMusique and bypass wine altogether
[06:33] <Teal`c> no,.. xps are k7 cpus
[06:33] <thully> a bit limited, but it works
[06:33] <eb0x> crimsun: i typed e and nothing happened
[06:34] <crimsun> eb0x: was the kernel selected?
[06:34] <kerframil> ubuntu: your AMD64 CD is little better than a coaster for your intents and purposes - grab a plain old x86 one instead
[06:34] <thully> seems much faster than the official itunes client - supports song previews as well
[06:34] <ace2001ac> crimsun: are you a developer or just user?
[06:34] <crimsun> ace2001ac: one of the universe maintainers
[06:34] <eb0x> i dunno
[06:34] <eb0x> it didnt do anythiong
[06:34] <ubuntu> Teal`c, The AMD site says otherwise: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734,00.html
[06:35] <crimsun> eb0x: please paste the output of cat /proc/interrupts onto pastebin.ca
[06:35] <ubuntu> kerframil, what do you mean, a coaster?
[06:35] <Teal`c> Thats an advertisement
[06:35] <SSidDithersLI> guys, just a quick question. What do I need in order to make .config files?
[06:35] <thully> I just wish rhythmbox,gtkpod, and this PyMusique (which is inpart developed by the DeCss guy) could be integrated into one big jukebox program - maybe call it gtunes
[06:35] <kerframil> ubuntu: meaning you might as well use it put your coffee mug on ;) (and btw, the site doesn't say otherwise)
[06:36] <Teal`c> the frame on that webpage with the amd64 stuff really has nothing to do with xp cpus
[06:36] <kerframil> ubuntu: you need a 386 CD, plain and simple
[06:36] <eb0x> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7350
[06:36] <ace2001ac> crimsun: cool, i have dchroot as the only thing from universe, do you know why it isn't in main? I'm not very familiar with the decision process for Ubuntu, but it seems like chroot would be something cool to have in main :)
[06:37] <crimsun> eb0x: ok, we'll try this way: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:37] <eb0x> okay
[06:37] <eb0x> im there
[06:37] <crimsun> ace2001ac: "main" is the subset of actively-supported [by Ubuntu]  packages
[06:38] <SSidDithersLI> anybody know at all?
[06:38] <Panda> has anyone ever had the problem when installing ubuntu of an unusually long partitioning under ext3 fs?
[06:38] <crimsun> ace2001ac: there are a variety of reasons it might be in universe; I venture one of the reasons is that no one has volunteered to maintain it
[06:38] <Teal`c> theres no reason to buy an intel chip anymore, except for brand loyalty.   I assumed that the Athlon XP was an AMD64 architecture, because it said it was a 64bit chip.
[06:38] <sirius> any spanish speaker?
[06:39] <Teal`c> ubuntu, no, thats just an ad... below it is another ad for the sempron...
[06:39] <kerframil> ubuntu: you must have misinterpreted the information concerned
[06:39] <ace2001ac> crimsun: oh, i was just wondering if there was a active reason to not have it in main
[06:39] <crimsun> sirius: ubuntu-es?
[06:39] <sirius> yes
[06:39] <crimsun> sirius: it may be quiet, though
[06:39] <sirius> but from Argentina
[06:39] <Panda> has anyone ever had the problem when installing ubuntu of an unusually long partitioning under ext3 fs?
[06:39] <ace2001ac> crimsun: it would be good to have cause it's really useful if not necessary for amd64 pc's
[06:40] <sirius> how to upgrade to hoary?
[06:40] <crimsun> ace2001ac: well, this late in the release schedule, it won't migrate from universe->main, perhaps for Bendy - if you'd like to maintain it.
[06:40] <ubuntu> kerframil, how could I misinterpret this: " Leading-edge performance and unparalleled technology with simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing."
[06:40] <sirius> without lossing the info
[06:41] <kerframil> ubuntu: by not observing that (1) it's an advert boxout (2) it shows a large logo saying "AMD Athlon 64"? (3) It shows a link saying "AMD Athlon 64 Desktop Processors" which leads you to an area of the site clearly not related?
[06:41] <kerframil> ubuntu: seeing as you asked ;)
[06:41] <crimsun> sirius: sudo sed 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:41] <ubuntu> Aha.
[06:41] <ubuntu> Gotcha.
[06:41] <Teal`c> dude, thats an advertisement.. see its in own frame
[06:42] <sirius> thanks
[06:42] <eb0x> crimsun: what do i do in sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:42] <ace2001ac> crimsun: hmmm... I don't really have any experience maintainng packages :), if the decision is as simple as someone volunteering to maintain it, then I can understand why it's in universe
[06:42] <ubuntu> Ok, ok. I get it now.
[06:42] <kerframil> ubuntu: I believe that processor is their "entry-level" offering (the Opteron is more capable)
[06:42] <crimsun> eb0x: press ctrl+w, then type: # kopt, then press enter
[06:43] <eb0x> crimsun: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[06:43] <crimsun> eb0x: scroll to the far right (end of the line), and add acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:43] <thully> I wonder - what's the easiest way to type accented characters on a standard U.S. English keyboard in Hoary?
[06:43] <crimsun> eb0x: (correct, so the line looks like: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi_irq_isa=7)
[06:43] <Teal`c> sempron is probably the entry level model now but it lacks 64bit
[06:44] <Teal`c> until someone figures out how to mod it
[06:44] <sirius> once upgraded i mantain the config of my system , right?
[06:44] <thully> I'm taking Spanish,and needed to enter them and didn't know how, short of switching keyboard layouts
[06:44] <eb0x> ok
[06:44] <thully> taking spanishclass
[06:44] <ubuntu> ok, thanks again.
[06:44] <eb0x> then cntrl x y enter
[06:44] <crimsun> eb0x: when you've done that, press ctrl+x, save it, and exit
[06:44] <Panda> i'm hungry
[06:44] <eb0x> crimsun: ok done
[06:44] <crimsun> eb0x: then, sudo update-grub
[06:45] <crimsun> eb0x: then, reboot
[06:45] <sirius> wich ver. of the kernel is in hoary?
[06:45] <crimsun> sirius: patched 2.6.10
[06:45] <sirius> ok
[06:46] <ells> anyone familiar with debian
[06:46] <bob2> there's 2.6.11, but it's not supported
[06:46] <sirius> but i downloaded the <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> I am considering using Ubuntu
[06:46] <SSidDithersLI> can someone here help me? just a quick question, how can I use .config?
[06:46] <sirius> but i cant make it work
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> but i got burned with Mepis
[06:46] <SSidDithersLI> what do I need to be able to use that command
[06:46] <zenrox> AlphaandOmega,  and you need to use it
[06:46] <crimsun> ells: a number here are
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> it uses Bleeding edge shit that was unstable as hell
[06:46] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: what do you mean exactly?
[06:46] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: you mean "How do I configure a kernel?"?
[06:46] <ells> crimsum: the kernel in mine is old
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> is there a stable built of Ubuntu?
[06:46] <bob2> AlphaandOmega: ubutnu is a much more serious distro than mepis
[06:46] <zenrox> AlphaandOmega, yes warty
[06:46] <bob2> AlphaandOmega: of course
[06:47] <crimsun> ells: "mine" being your Debian install?
[06:47] <ells> crimsum: it wont auto update
[06:47] <zenrox> and soon to be hoary
[06:47] <ells> yes
[06:47] <SSidDithersLI> I have to add a .config file to a release before I compile it
[06:47] <crimsun> ells: and which flavour of Debian?
[06:47] <SSidDithersLI> and i dont know how
[06:47] <bob2> ells: er, Debian never updates kernels by default
[06:47] <crimsun> ells: (this really should be asked in #debian)
[06:47] <bob2> ells: since that could be terrible
[06:47] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: make menuconfig, then choose your options
[06:47] <ells> crimsum: it is the one that is network built
[06:47] <bob2> ells: apt-cache search kernel-image
[06:47] <thully> yes - Mepis does look a bit thrown together,and it is developed by 1 person who dislikes the GPLand hasn't done anything about a few bugs that existed in November
[06:47] <bob2> ells: pick one and install it
[06:47] <ells> bob2: I did that downloaded the kernel
[06:48] <ells> but it did not seem to install it like ubuntu
[06:48] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: if that sounds like hard work then you might prefer to obtain the .config used by the mainstream kernel and drop it in (running make oldconfig)
[06:48] <sirius> once upgraded it keeps my configs?
[06:48] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: the mainstream Ubuntu kernel package, I mean
[06:48] <thully> yes - the magic of apt-get
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> make menuconfig failed
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> O-o
[06:48] <bob2> ells: er, yes it does
[06:48] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: why are you trrying to compile a kernel?
[06:48] <ells> bob2, how will i install it then
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> im trying to add a .config file to WPA_supplicant
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> "In wpa_supplicant directory, add .config file so it contains driver support for ndiswrapper and a control interfac"
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> e
[06:48] <bob2> ells: um? just like you would on ubuntu.  apt-get install kernel-image-blah.
[06:49] <SSidDithersLI> but i can't/dont know how to add it
[06:49] <ells> okay, i did that but it did not install it, even though it seemed to
[06:49] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: I'm pretty sure you don't need to recompile your kernel for that.
[06:49] <ells> It still reads 2.4
[06:49] <AlphaandOmega> I know it sounded like a stupid question
[06:49] <bob2> ells: did you reboot?
[06:49] <thully> I wonder why Mepis was so hyped by some... it even was #1 ondistrowatch at one point
[06:49] <AlphaandOmega> but I learned the hardware you can't take that for granted
[06:49] <SSidDithersLI> I never said I needed to recompile my kernel
[06:49] <ells> yeap
[06:49] <SSidDithersLI> I said I needed to add a .config file to that directory
[06:50] <bob2> thully: there are lots of annoying distro fanboys/girls out there
[06:50] <sirius> anyone knows wich version of Xfree86 is in Hoary?
[06:50] <thully> If you want KDE, both Kubuntu and Kanotix are far better than Mepis
[06:50] <SSidDithersLI> in any case I dont know what the commands are to make a .config file
[06:50] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: er, wpasupplicat is *in* Ubuntu, too.  why are you compiling it at all?
[06:50] <bob2> sirius: it uses X.org
[06:50] <sirius> ough
[06:50] <SSidDithersLI> because I want the latest version
[06:50] <sirius> is it better?
[06:50] <ells> bob2, I will check it again though
[06:50] <orospakr> has anyone had gtk-gnutella segfault the moment they click the "Download" button in the search results? I can confirm this on two separate hoary boxes.
[06:51] <thully> I used to prefer KDE - but tried Kubuntu w/KDE 3.4 and Ubuntu w/GNOME 2.10 and GNOME seemed better
[06:51] <sirius> i mean, graphic rendering, 3D and so
[06:51] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: what's the difference?
[06:51] <SiRrUs> ells to install your kernel type this aptitude install linux-image-kernel name
[06:51] <bob2> sirius: not really. better hardware support, lots of bug fixes.
[06:51] <SSidDithersLI> better support and more stability?
[06:51] <crimsun> orospakr: could you obtain a backtrace via gdb ?
[06:51] <sirius> oh
[06:51] <sirius> ok
[06:51] <kerframil> sirius: it uses xorg-6.8.2 and the differences are marginal (for now)
[06:51] <SSidDithersLI> in any case I need to set it up
[06:52] <ells> SiRrUs: okay
[06:52] <SSidDithersLI> so how can I make that .config file for that folder?
[06:52] <Teal`c> anybody know where i can find plugins for totem so i can play avis/mpeg/etc ?
[06:52] <orospakr> crimsun, yes, it occurs in glib somewhere. :P
[06:52] <sirius> the problem is my graphic card
[06:52] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: you need to talk to whoever wrote the software, I guess
[06:52] <sirius> Sis 730
[06:52] <Teal`c> totem is useless/crippled without them... kind of sad
[06:52] <crimsun> orospakr: where in glib?
[06:52] <sirius> and the DRI
[06:52] <sirius> i cannot make it work the 3D
[06:53] <sirius> 90 FPS, bleh!
[06:53] <bob2> Teal`c: yes, thae state of the governments who force totem to be crippled is quite sad
[06:53] <bob2> Teal`c: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <orospakr> crimsun, #0  0xb7b85a4e in g_strdup () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[06:53] <orospakr> #1  0xb7bf83f9 in g_value_array_sort_with_data ()
[06:53] <orospakr>    from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
[06:53] <eb0x> crimsun: ok added that and restarted
[06:53] <crimsun> orospakr: ok, please file a bug and let me know the bug #.
[06:53] <orospakr> crimsun, ok. :)
[06:53] <crimsun> orospakr: I'll look at it in 30 minutes.
[06:54] <thully> I wish someone could start a Ubuntu-specific marillat type repo - as marillattends to getout of sync w/Ubuntu
[06:54] <thully> sorry, my darned laptop spacebar is acting up
[06:54] <deFrysk> thully, then you get the same repo with another name
[06:54] <crimsun> thully: you may be able to have multiverse syncs
[06:55] <crimsun> thully: though keep in mind it is fairly late in the release schedule
[06:55] <Teal`c> why force new ubuntu users into the american legal paradigm.  If they download from european/canadian/aussie mirror, include those restricted files
[06:55] <thully> no - marillat atthe moment is out of sync w/warty
[06:55] <crimsun> thully: but warty will not be synced again.
[06:56] <crimsun> thully: unless you are referring to my repo...?
[06:56] <thully> yes - but I mean -if someone installs warty now, they willhave trouble with marillat
[06:56] <Teal`c> the u.s. is too big for its own good.. should split it up
[06:57] <crimsun> thully: right, in which case we point them to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:57] <eb0x> crimsun: what do i do now?
[06:57] <crimsun> eb0x: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[06:57] <geneo91> Teal`c:  yes the red states from the blue
[06:57] <thully> marillat is for debian - it syncs to sarge and sid - whatI meant is that I was wishing someone would set up one thatstays insync w/the stable and unstable Ubuntu versions as opposed to debian versions
[06:58] <crimsun> thully: the development branch of Ubuntu does stay synced. I maintain the stable counterpart.
[06:58] <ells> crimsun: the kernel will be the image right
[06:58] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[06:58] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[06:58] <crimsun> ells: err, come again? (sorry, lacking context)
[06:58] <mrproper> In horay, where can I get the Sun Java packages?
[06:59] <deFrysk> when will the new nvidia drivers be in ?
[06:59] <crimsun> mrproper: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:59] <thully> I actuallyread somewhere that there are some interoperability exceptions in the DMCA... (but they still disallow redistribution)
[06:59] <SSidDithersLI> does anyone here know how to create a .config file? "In wpa_supplicant directory, add .config file so it contains driver support for ndiswrapper and a control interface"
[06:59] <crimsun> deFrysk: I believe it's too late for Hoary.
[06:59] <ells> the kernel will be the file that has the image in it, right
[06:59] <SSidDithersLI> I need to know how to do that :/
[06:59] <deFrysk> crimsun, I hope not
[06:59] <deFrysk> the one now is not good for many people
[06:59] <ells> well, it is now installed, and it is booting it
[06:59] <eb0x> crimsun: root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[06:59] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[06:59] <crimsun> ells: for Debian, kernel-image-foo; for Ubuntu, linux-image-foo. Yes, it will have /boot/{initrd,vmlinuz}-foo
[07:00] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: dude
[07:00] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: if you actually think this is a useful use of your time, look at the source package for it in Ubuntu
[07:00] <SSidDithersLI> why do you only return when Im asking everyone else except you?
[07:00] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: or actually ask the author
[07:00] <bob2> blah blah blah
[07:00] <SSidDithersLI> if I didn't read the documentation, I wouldnt be here
[07:00] <thully> but there is also those darned software patents - the most insane being "1 click shopping" - are those patent workers being paid minimum wage or something?
[07:00] <crimsun> deFrysk: some people in #nvidia have reported problems with 1.0-7167, too.
[07:00] <crimsun> deFrysk: ...and it's late in Hoary's schedule.
[07:01] <deFrysk> crimsun, someone should make 6.111 packages for hoary
[07:01] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: er?  look at how the Ubuntu source package builds.
[07:01] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: that has the exact answe you're looking for in it
[07:01] <tritium> hey there ells
[07:01] <thully> I wonder why multiverse has allthe LAME packages - but not the gstreamer plugin
[07:01] <crimsun> thully: which gst plugin?
[07:01] <thully> lame
[07:01] <SSidDithersLI> whatever.
[07:01] <kreiger> ok. now then
[07:01] <crimsun> hmm, I didn't even know gst has a supported lame plugin.
[07:02] <thully> yes - it's in restrictedformats
[07:02] <SSidDithersLI> besisdes
[07:02] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: have you actually looked, or are you assuming that I'm concocting a lie to confuse you?
[07:02] <SSidDithersLI> ubuntu doesnt come with wpa_supplicant.
[07:02] <crimsun> thully: hmm, but is that one an official gst one or an unofficial addon?
[07:02] <sirius> hoary comes with OpenOffice 2.0?
[07:03] <deFrysk> sirius, its available
[07:03] <crimsun> sirius: 1.9.74 -> openoffice.org2
[07:03] <deFrysk> in hoary
[07:03] <thully> I'm unsure - I know it's available for fedora, and works decently
[07:03] <kreiger> does anybody here dualboot?
[07:03] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: yes it does
[07:03] <deFrysk> I have it
[07:03] <sirius> thanks
[07:03] <SSidDithersLI> where is it?
[07:03] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: wpasupplicant - Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)
[07:03] <tritium> sirius, apt-cache search openoffice.org2
[07:03] <ells> tritium: what is up man
[07:03] <tritium> ells, not much.  You?
[07:03] <crimsun> eb0x: (apologies.) ok, modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[07:03] <SSidDithersLI> where is it?
[07:03] <sirius> apt-cache? new for me
[07:03] <deFrysk> sirius, it installs it besides the ol d oo
[07:03] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: huh?  in ubuntu.
[07:03] <sirius> i am noob still
[07:03] <SSidDithersLI> where?
[07:03] <eb0x> crimsun: it's okay, thanks for all of your help
[07:03] <ells> tritium: not alot, I got my desktop I built to take linux
[07:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[07:04] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found.
[07:04] <eb0x> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1x
[07:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> synaptic?
[07:04] <tritium> sirius, ok, use synpatic if you prefer.  The package names begin with openoffice.org2
[07:04] <deFrysk> so you can remove the old one if you wish later
[07:04] <ells> I eneded up having to putting debian on the desktop
[07:04] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: please lose the attitude, it's really annoying
[07:04] <tritium> ells, cool
[07:04] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: it's in the universe repository
[07:04] <sirius> right
[07:04] <sirius> synaptic is good
[07:04] <thully> What are the legal guidelines for multiverse, anyway?
[07:04] <tritium> ells, as opposed to ubuntu?  why/
[07:04] <ells> tritium: i got ubuntu on this laptop
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> thats funny
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> it doesnt work.
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> how coincidental
[07:04] <sirius> but i usually use aptitude
[07:04] <tritium> ells, good.   Is unknown appropriate?
[07:05] <ells> tritium: it took debian though
[07:05] <crimsun> orospakr: yes
[07:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[07:06] <eb0x> 2.6.10-26
[07:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[07:06] <tritium> ells, really?  Hoary?   I should have asked you that first!
[07:06] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: I know you're frustrated because you don't understand
[07:06] <SSidDithersLI> hey, when in rome
[07:06] <ells> tritium: tell me bout it
[07:06] <crimsun> eb0x: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:06] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: it's in hoary's universe repository
[07:06] <tritium> ells, I would expect Hoary to work
[07:06] <ells> tritium: i had to go back to warty on my laptop
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: if apt is too confusing, try synaptic.  wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:07] <SSidDithersLI> thats funny, I dont recall saying I was using hoary
[07:07] <Tac> k guys.. stupid question ... what FS did 98 use... im in ubuntu live.. trying to fix a computer... and i want to mkfs to format it ... do i just use fat ? or vfat? or what should i use
[07:07] <tritium> ells, you did?  why?
[07:07] <crimsun> eb0x: after everything finishes installing, reboot
[07:07] <SSidDithersLI> how expected.
[07:07] <orospakr> crimsun, bug #7556. :)
[07:07] <crimsun> orospakr: great, thanks.
[07:07] <sirius> but i still have this doubt, i keep my configs?
[07:07] <ells> tritium: after a few downloads, the gui wouldnt work
[07:07] <SSidDithersLI> and also the period at the end of the sentence. ignored.
[07:07] <tritium> Tac, vfat
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: so you're using warty, that's fine.
[07:07] <sirius> my folders?
[07:07] <tritium> ells, which?  all of gnome?
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: go get the hoary source package and build it on warty
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: also, try being less of a dick to people helping you
[07:07] <ells> yeap
[07:07] <bob2> that'd be awesome
[07:07] <sirius> and Hoary is using Gnome or KDE?
[07:07] <ells> tritium: I was not happy
[07:07] <deFrysk> sirius, both
[07:07] <deFrysk> :D
[07:08] <Tac> should i fsck the device first tritium ?
[07:08] <bob2> sirius: gnome.
[07:08] <sirius> both?
[07:08] <Tac> or just run mkfs with -c
[07:08] <bob2> (by default)
[07:08] <ells> tritium: something to do with the config files
[07:08] <sirius> you can choose where?
[07:08] <deFrysk> I run KDE 3.4 On gnome
[07:08] <sirius> ok
[07:08] <tritium> Tac, not sure there
[07:08] <deFrysk> sirius, you can install KDE after install
[07:08] <sirius> same like wary
[07:08] <tritium> ells, which gui?
[07:08] <deFrysk> make sure to get 3.4
[07:08] <ells> gnome
 eb0x: after everything finishes installing, reboot
[07:08] <eb0x> geezeeeeeeeeee
[07:08] <eb0x> lol
[07:08] <deFrysk> 3.3x does not take
[07:08] <eb0x> ok ;p
[07:09] <ells> tritium: i really miss the netapplet
[07:09] <ells> tritium: for hoary
[07:09] <sirius> the problem of the DRI, it is solved in Xorg?
[07:09] <tritium> ells, but what gui problems did you have?
[07:09] <ells> tritium: aaaahhhhh......none, could not see the screen
[07:09] <ells> totally
[07:10] <ells> crapped out
[07:10] <ells> no viewable screens
[07:10] <tritium> ells, before X loaded, or only after?
[07:10] <ells> tritium: x would not load
[07:10] <ells> had screens but not viewable
[07:10] <ells> or so it said
[07:11] <SSidDithersLI> anybody here use wpa_supplicant? I get an error when trying to make it
[07:11] <tritium> ells, ok, so you could see text mode?
[07:11] <ells> tritium: I even tried debian on my laptop, it worked but did not see my wireless card
[07:11] <ells> tritium: yeap
[07:11] <ells> tritium: kind of pissed ya know
[07:11] <tritium> ells, I wish I was around to help you.  That sounds like you just needed some help configuring xserver-xorg
[07:11] <SSidDithersLI> its rather large though, so if anyone here does use wpa_supplicant and thinks they can help me please PM me so I can send you all the info
[07:12] <ells> tritium: I agree
[07:12] <ells> not a happy time with that one
[07:12] <tritium> ells, you know that yesterday there was a kernel bug for a few hours that prevented loading of nvidia and other modules?
[07:12] <tritium> ells, it was only temporary, and got fixed by today
[07:12] <ells> tritium: that was it
[07:12] <tritium> ells, that was temporary :(
[07:12] <ells> tritium: again, you are the man, I can reload hoary then
[07:12] <SSidDithersLI> when trying to make wpa_supplicant I get a "md5.h:6:25: warning: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory" error
[07:12] <tritium> ells, you could have booted into one of your old kernel until it was fixed!
[07:13] <SSidDithersLI> and it just snowballs from there. anyone know whats wrong?
[07:13] <ells> okay, I am retarded as we have discussed before
[07:13] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: for a start, install libssl-dev
[07:13] <tritium> ells, no, you're not
[07:13] <tritium> don't say such things
[07:13] <ells> tritium: just kidding
[07:13] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: also, if you'd actually listen to me, you'd be done by now.  the source package has the exact and complete list of packages you have to install before you can bulid it.
[07:13] <tritium> ells, dang, I wish I was around to forewarn you
[07:14] <ells> tritium: it is all good
[07:14] <tritium> ells, it's entirely up to you at this point
[07:14] <tritium> ells, if you want to upgrade to Hoary or not
[07:14] <ells> tritium: I think I will, I like the netapplet
[07:14] <Tac> mkfs -cv -t vfat /dev/hda1 ... it just exxits right away telling me bad blocks
[07:14] <crimsun> eb0x: still here?
[07:14] <Tac> i dont get it
[07:15] <tritium> ells, if you end up downloading and installing from the preview release CD, you could try it on the desktop too ;)
[07:15] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: (hint: apt-cache showsrc wpasupplicant | grep Build-)
[07:15] <ells> tritium: well it always worked until those updates, ya know the auto ones
[07:15] <crimsun> eb0x: there are a few more steps you need to do before you reboot
[07:16] <ells> tritium: Like I said, I even tried debian, but it would not recognize my wireless card
[07:16] <tritium> ells, yes.  I had the same problem.  I just booted into an older kernel until it was fixed.  I would have encouraged you to do the same :(
[07:16] <ells> tritium: let me ask you, is an ath0 wireless chipset supported in 2.4
[07:17] <ells> the kernel that is
[07:17] <zenrox> ells,  no
[07:18] <zenrox> its barly usable in even 2.6
[07:18] <ells> zenrox, that is why debian did not see my wireless card then
[07:18] <zenrox> yep
[07:19] <ells> zenrox, nice to know now
[07:19] <tritium> ells, one moment...sorry
[07:19] <ells> I actually was impressed with the look of debian
[07:19] <ells> tritium: no problem
[07:19] <CompotatoJ> Hey, is there a way to detect scsi devices without restarting ubuntu?
[07:19] <ells> zenrox, I have debian on my desktop and ubuntu on my lapotp
[07:20] <crimsun> eb0x: ping
[07:20] <tritium> ells, okay, sorry
[07:20] <geneo91> CompotatoJ:  if you have scsiadd
[07:20] <ells> tritium: how can I set up my NEW linux desktop to access it
[07:20] <tritium> ells, I'm not familiar with that chipset.  Can you give me more info?
[07:20] <CompotatoJ> geneo91, I do not.
[07:21] <ells> tritium: I mean that is the one that has debain on it
[07:21] <tritium> ells, you can msg me if you like
[07:21] <ells> tritium: need to make it act like a file server
[07:21] <ells> cool
[07:21] <CompotatoJ> geneo91, Should I get scsiadd?
[07:21] <geneo91> CompotatoJ:  i dunno ifs its in ubuntu or not
[07:21] <geneo91> if you can CompotatoJ
[07:21] <CompotatoJ> geneo91, oh, ok, thanks.
[07:23] <ace2001ac> how can you tell which package a file belongs to?
[07:23] <strat_king> i was wondering if anyone knew which repositories i needed for aac, mplayer, mp3 and and mono/monodevelop
[07:23] <ace2001ac> is there a search util?
[07:24] <ScislaC> is gnucash 1.8.9 the most recent ver available for ubuntu?
[07:24] <crimsun> ace2001ac: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:24] <thully> strat_king: you need universe,multiverse,and marillat, plus cerkinfo if you want gstreamer lame support - restrictedformat wiki tells youwhat todo
[07:24] <tritium> ScislaC, yes, even in hoary
[07:25] <CompotatoJ> Does anyone know a good website for ubuntu x86_64 support? I am trying to add repositories to apt-get but I haven't found any for x86_64
[07:25] <quarupt> anyone else have trouble doing apt-get install fluxbox      on hoary AMD64?
[07:25] <bob2> CompotatoJ: e.g.?
[07:25] <bob2> quarupt: if they did, they'd have asked on the list
[07:25] <ace2001ac> crimsun: do you know if that functionality is available as a util instead of website?
[07:25] <zenrox> quarupt,  will fluxbox support 64bit
[07:25] <geneo91> anyone having issues with xmms in hoary (segfaults)
[07:25] <bob2> ace2001ac: apt-cache search blah
[07:25] <crimsun> quarupt: is universe enabled?
[07:26] <bob2> zenrox: er, all non-useless Free Software runs on 64-bit platforms
[07:26] <crimsun> ace2001ac: install apt-file
[07:26] <CompotatoJ> bob2: e.g. mp3s for rhythm box
[07:26] <bob2> remember Debian has been porting stuff to Alpha for 7 years
[07:26] <ace2001ac> bob2: thanks
[07:26] <zenrox> bob2,  dint know
[07:26] <ace2001ac> crimsun: thanks
[07:26] <bob2> CompotatoJ: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:26] <quarupt> yes my sources are fine, it just has error during install
[07:26] <bob2> CompotatoJ: gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe
[07:26] <CompotatoJ> ahhh.. nice =]
[07:27] <CompotatoJ> thanks bob2
[07:27] <thully> has anyone suggested doing an Ubuntu Weekly News in the format of Debian's - I know there's Traffic, but that's just focused on the mailing lists
[07:27] <bob2> thully: most useful discussion happens on the lists
[07:28] <CompotatoJ> bob2: it says it is i386, not x64
[07:28] <bob2> CompotatoJ: I don't know what you're talking about
[07:28] <ScislaC> tritium: is it not wise for me to try and build it then? (just wondering if there's a specific reason other than no one has done it)
[07:28] <bob2> universe is built for all architecture
[07:28] <bob2> s
[07:28] <thully> well - there is some outside the lists, and I like the formatof debian weekly news
[07:28] <CompotatoJ> bob2: it says it is i386, not x64 wiki--restricted formats
[07:28] <bob2> CompotatoJ: ignore that
[07:28] <bob2> thully: e.g.?
[07:28] <tritium> ScislaC, you certainly can try, if you like.  Is it not up-to-date?
[07:28] <bob2> the forums are useless.  the irc meetings get minuted.
[07:29] <ScislaC> tritium: newest ver is 1.8.11
[07:29] <bob2> thully: but if you want to volunteer to write it, I'm sure it would be appreciated
[07:29] <tritium> ScislaC, I see.  Not sure what to recommend.
[07:29] <tritium> ScislaC, I guess it's your call.
[07:29] <strat_king> quick question, does multiverse work w/ hoary even though dist. says warty?
[07:29] <deFrysk> poit it to hoary
[07:29] <bob2> strat_king: er, no
[07:29] <deFrysk> point
[07:29] <bob2> strat_king: you point it at hoary smultiverse
[07:30] <bob2> CompotatoJ: the amd64 debs are sitting in the archive
[07:30] <thully> bob2: I'm a bit busy,so I don't know if I could maintain it
[07:30] <quarupt> okay wtf?
[07:31] <quarupt> i try to run the update manager but it cant download gksu??  anyone else have the same prob
[07:34] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gksu
[07:34] <deFrysk> or something
[07:36] <CompotatoJ> What is the difference between downloading packages as source or binary files
[07:36] <thully> I think that Ubuntu rocks - I actually started using Linux(although dual-booted until recently) with Debian 2.0 aka hamm
[07:36] <tritium> CompotatoJ, you have to build the source packages before they're installable
[07:36] <sirius> anyone knows the use of CEDEGA?
[07:37] <sirius> i get the error 21...
[07:37] <kreiger> Sirius, i do.
[07:37] <sirius> ?
[07:37] <kreiger> well, kinda
[07:37] <kreiger> which game?
[07:37] <sirius> AOC
[07:37] <CompotatoJ> tritium, Is building the source any better?
[07:37] <sirius> or Deadlock
[07:37] <kreiger> oh, no clue look on the forums
[07:37] <geneo91> does anyone know what the package name is for gnomeradio
[07:37] <bob2> CompotatoJ: no
[07:37] <tritium> CompotatoJ, not really
[07:37] <sirius> i make dpkg -i to the .deb
[07:38] <CompotatoJ> okk
[07:38] <sirius> but when trying to execute any .exe get the error 21
[07:38] <speedy2782> my wifi card is recognized, can search with iwlist, and can't connect to the AP i think. can someone walk me through the steps needed to connect?
[07:38] <bob2> speedy2782: disable all access control on the AP, first
[07:39] <sirius> see ya
[07:39] <sirius> i need to sleep
[07:40] <sirius> and Linux rulez!!
[07:40] <HillTop> How do I "zeroed my disk with dd" before installing??
[07:40] <deFrysk> sirius, people who use linux rule
[07:40] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:40] <sirius> haha
[07:40] <sirius> yep
[07:40] <sirius> windoze stinksssssss
[07:40] <sirius> bye
[07:41] <speedy2782> bob2: you mean take off the password to login to it?
[07:41] <CompotatoJ> Is it a dumb idea to have CD Ubuntu as a repository
[07:42] <deFrysk> CompotatoJ, not dumb, but unneeded
[07:42] <CompotatoJ> deFrysk, ok thanks
[07:42] <deFrysk> CompotatoJ, sorry is Is dumb ;p
[07:43] <CompotatoJ> ok
[07:43] <thully> no - isn't dumb - it is actually smart, as it will grab the packages from CD if the latest version is available there
[07:44] <thully> if you have a mega-pipe, it doesn't matter, but on lower speed broadband and dial-up, it does
[07:44] <deFrysk> thully, on slow connections it might be handy, agree
[07:44] <thully> I use it, since my connection downloads at 144kbps
[07:45] <quarupt> which is more stable ESD or ALDA?
[07:45] <quarupt> ALSA*
[07:45] <deFrysk> alsa in the standard
[07:45] <speedy2782> My wlan is active, my eth0 is inactive. I can't seem to connect to AP because I am not sure of the terminal comands. I can't access the internet without the lan connected...even though lan0 is inactive...any suggestions
[07:45] <quarupt> im using Hoary its default was ESD?
[07:46] <thully> ESD uses ALSA - it is a sound server which allows >1 app to use sound atone time
[07:46] <thully> are you thinking of OSS?
[07:46] <quarupt> no im selecting a sound output server, it has ESD, ALSA, or OSS
[07:47] <quarupt> a sink i mean
[07:47] <bob2> speedy2782: I mean, make it so you don't need to play with WEP or whatever
[07:47] <deFrysk> quarupt, try them all and see wich works for you
[07:48] <speedy2782> it isn't my connection to mess with
[07:48] <quarupt> "No use for a name" ROCKSD
[07:48] <speedy2782> or I would
[07:48] <quarupt> oops
[07:49] <bob2> then you need to set your wep key
[07:49] <bob2> and such
[07:49] <bob2> iwconfig eth1 essid blah
[07:49] <bob2> iwconfig eth1 wep blah
[07:49] <bob2> etc
[07:49] <speedy2782> after that what do i do
[07:56] <quarupt> is there somewhere to get more Ubuntu wallpaper?
[07:57] <TQuid> Hi again folks.
[07:57] <TQuid> So, my sound is very . . . weird-sounding on this new install.
[07:58] <TQuid> The X system is definitely trying to make sound . . . stuff comes out the speakers.  But it's like it's going through some bizarre degradation from passing through some hell-dimension.
[07:58] <TQuid> Any clues what that's likely to be?
[07:59] <quarupt> try a diff sink ;)
[07:59] <TQuid> Sorry, not getting what you mean by "diff sink".  Er?
[08:00] <bob2> speedy2782: ?
[08:00] <bob2> speedy2782: then you see if you're associated
[08:00] <TQuid> Looks like it's using alsa, the default.
[08:00] <bob2> then you try to get a dhcp list
[08:02] <thully> just updated Ubuntu RestrictedFormats wiki - to point out issues w/esd and third party plugins
[08:05] <techn9ne> in hoary is there a way to add things to the places menu?
[08:06] <eyequeue> what is a places menu?
[08:07] <techn9ne> the places menu on the menubar
[08:07] <eyequeue> i don't have that
[08:07] <techn9ne> its on hoary
[08:07] <techn9ne> got added in gnome 2.10
[08:07] <eyequeue> what is it for?
[08:08] <techn9ne> i dunno they just reorganized the menus
[08:08] <techn9ne> applications, places, system
[08:08] <techn9ne> its got home, documents, network, drives etc. in it
[08:08] <eyequeue> brisbane, melbourne, london, miami?
[08:09] <eyequeue> "places" is a strange thing to call documents, imo
[08:09] <techn9ne> its not documents its places on your computer and network
[08:10] <eyequeue> "places" on my computer?  ram, cpu, ports?
[08:10] <eyequeue> i guess i don't think the way they do
[08:10] <eyequeue> a place is a physical location to me
[08:11] <helix_> i am having trouble adding the marrillat sources to ubuntu
[08:11] <helix_> i get this problem while updating
[08:11] <helix_> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:11] <helix_> W:
[08:11] <techn9ne> a place isnt a physical location
[08:11] <techn9ne> its a definable spot
[08:12] <geneo91> its still stupid
[08:12] <eyequeue> 1: a point located with respect to surface features of some
[08:12] <eyequeue>            region
[08:12] <techn9ne> ok i dont care i dont work for gnome
[08:12] <techn9ne> its there whether we like it or not
[08:13] <eyequeue> i really have to wonder about them
[08:13] <techn9ne> i like it
[08:13] <eyequeue> well, it's not for me, for a month at least :)
[08:13] <eyequeue> then i'll have to see if i can delete it i guess
[08:14] <Teal`c> ubuntu is going okay so far but it horrid for trying to play an multimedia files with
[08:14] <Rattboi> I am wondering if anyone could tell me the best solution for remotely accessing X
[08:14] <Teal`c> just installed mplayer, vlc, gnome vlc, gmplayer... all fail with stupid errors
[08:14] <techn9ne> eyequeue: i guess.. i think breaking comons taks intol multiple menus makes sense
[08:14] <geneo91> well all of gnome is kinda dumb to me
[08:14] <Teal`c> needs some polish before mass marketing
[08:14] <Rattboi> I know about VNC, but what is the best VNC server?
[08:14] <eyequeue> helix_:  grep nerim /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:14] <techn9ne> Teal`c: get totem-xine
[08:14] <techn9ne> Teal`c: then you need the win32 codecs
[08:14] <crimsun> Rattboi: try the Remote Desktop tool that comes with Warty/Hoary (Vio)
[08:14] <crimsun> Rattboi: err, Vino
[08:14] <Teal`c> ya... tried that too.. fails
[08:15] <techn9ne> why did it fail?
[08:15] <Rattboi> crimsun, I'll check it out
[08:15] <helix_> eyequeue: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:15] <Teal`c> command line errors, illegal instruction irrc
[08:15] <helix_> i am running hoary
[08:15] <techn9ne> Teal`c: warty?
[08:15] <crimsun> Teal`c: you can't use mplayer-custom unless you're on a Pentium 4
[08:15] <Teal`c> hoary
[08:15] <techn9ne> are you using latest version?
[08:15] <eyequeue> helix_:  i have "testing" where you have "unstable" and it seems to work here
[08:16] <techn9ne> im using hoary and multimedia works great
[08:16] <Teal`c> ya.. this needs some polishing up .. and really, you guys should dump the u.s. mirrors, screw their legal fiasco
[08:16] <Teal`c> not bad overall
[08:16] <gabaug> where can I manually download ubuntu packages?
[08:16] <crimsun> gabaug: same place, archive.ubuntu.com
[08:16] <eyequeue> helix_:  you can try that perhaps to see if there is an error?
[08:16] <TQuid> gabaug, check /etc/apt/sources.list, that should have urls you can search from.
[08:17] <geneo91> crimsun:  i'm sorry but i dont think ubuntu is reporting my disk usage quite right 4.6 gigs without OO
[08:17] <gabaug> crimsun: okay, I'm at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/warty/main/binary-i386/ and I don't see any .deb files..
[08:17] <crimsun> gabaug: look in pool/
[08:17] <gabaug> crimsun: ah
[08:18] <helix_> eyequeue: i get the error, now i tried to install mplayer-686 seems to download and install
[08:18] <geneo91> hey theres no water in the pool
[08:19] <geneo91> try i586
[08:19] <helix_> w00t, it works now
[08:19] <eyequeue> helix_:  i'm not sure what app is checking that sig, but it may be a hoary version (i'm on warty here)
[08:20] <eyequeue> helix_:  it's a nice feature, though that archive isn't protected by it sadly
[08:20] <gabaug> crimsun: are .deb's in /poo/ just for warty or hoary or are somehow general? I want to get a copy of a .deb that will work with the basic, non-updated warty install
[08:20] <gabaug> er, /pool/
[08:20] <techn9ne> gabaug: be careful about mixing hoary/warty packages
[08:21] <eyequeue> helix_:  but of course, that's not a ubuntu repository, so it will not always meet the exact same standards
[08:21] <gabaug> techn9ne: ok...how? I don't see how to differentiate them w/ in /pool/
[08:21] <crimsun> helix_: / eyequeue: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:21] <helix_> eyequeue: i thought so, but it did downloaded and installed mplayer sucessfully
[08:22] <eyequeue> crimsun:  thanks, it's exactly like i guessed it to be :)  glad to see it finally happeneing
[08:22] <crimsun> gabaug: like this? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/
[08:23] <helix_> crimson: thanks
[08:23] <eyequeue> helix_:  marillat is not exactly consistent with the hoary changes, i guess
[08:23] <helix_> yeah
[08:24] <techn9ne> gabaug: best bet is to either pin, upgrade to hoary or use backports
[08:24] <helix_> hoary is nice indeed, i am really enjoying this ubuntu
[08:24] <gabaug> techn9ne: what do you mean "pin"?
[08:25] <helix_> i got tired of debian long time waiting for upgrading the unstable repository
[08:25] <eyequeue> helix_:  Merge the archive key for debian-marillat into your default user's keyring. If successful, the gpg process will report 'key 1F41B907: public (at the url crimsun gave)
[08:25] <helix_> eyequeue: done
[08:25] <helix_> it update fine now
[08:28] <fabbione> morning
[08:31] <thully> helix_: what do you mean about upgrading the unstable repository?
[08:33] <mak> hey guys, I just installed the Hoary preview... how do i get access to my windows partition?
[08:33] <helix_> i was having trouble adding the marillat repositories to hoary
[08:33] <helix_> mak
[08:34] <mak> what does that mean, helix?
[08:34] <helix_> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda* /ntfs
[08:34] <reon> mak, FAT32 or NTFS ?
[08:34] <helix_> thats if you have ntfs
[08:34] <mak> oh... :) you were getting my attention. fat32
[08:34] <helix_> mount -t vfat /dev/hda* /ntfs
[08:34] <helix_> * == partion number
[08:34] <helix_> but first
[08:34] <helix_> do
[08:34] <helix_> sudo mkdir /ntfs
[08:35] <mak> you mean, fat32?
[08:35] <helix_> oh yes
[08:35] <helix_> my bad
[08:35] <helix_> :|
[08:35] <reon> mak,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[08:35] <helix_> sudo mkdir /fat32
[08:35] <helix_> or just fat
[08:35] <mak> done
[08:35] <reon> mak, working ?
[08:35] <helix_> i bet your windows partion is /dev/hda1
[08:36] <mak> yes, it should be
[08:36] <helix_> then mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /fat
[08:36] <helix_> try ls /fat
[08:36] <helix_> to see if it worked
[08:37] <mak> yeah, it worked
[08:37] <mak> thanks
[08:37] <helix_> :D
[08:37] <mak> is there a way I can put a little link to it on the desktop?
[08:37] <reon> mak, lots of these type of questions get answered in the ubuntuguide, check it out
[08:37] <helix_> you can add it to you /etc/fstab so it would mount at boot up
[08:37] <mak> ok. will do
[08:38] <helix_> and create the mount dir under your desktop
[08:38] <helix_> instead of /fat
[08:38] <mak> um... the guide, as i understood it was mostly for warty... I'm geussing there is enough overlap?
[08:38] <helix_> should be ~/Desktop/fat
[08:38] <helix_> i am running hoary
[08:39] <reon> mak, there is a lot of overlap, some things are different but not much
[08:39] <mak> ok. i'll take a look
[08:46] <I_AM_THAT_I_AM> hello
[08:46] <eb0x> Hello.
[08:47] <geneo93> ebox did you get that sound working
[08:48] <I_AM_THAT_I_AM> I have found ubuntu hardware detection to be outstanding
[08:48] <helix_> I_AM_THAT_I_AM: indeed!
[08:49] <geneo93> sure wish it had a control pannel though
[08:50] <I_Am_God> you can always apt-get kde
[08:50] <I_Am_God> if you want a good control panel anology
[08:51] <geneo93> i have kde
[08:51] <geneo93> i need to fix my usb stuff
[08:52] <geneo93> i have a mobo with genelink and firewire
[08:52] <FUCKER> ack
[08:52] <FUCKER> back
[08:54] <I_AM_Gee_Zuz> hello world
[08:54] <PacoBCN> hi
[08:54] <zyaga> Does anyone know how to setup dual monitors for Ubuntu?
[08:55] <PacoBCN> zyaga, I'm sure there is some HOWTO in the forums
[08:55] <zyaga> I looked in the Wiki.
[08:55] <mak> ok... so i seem to be having some major problems with my sound... anyone have ideas where i can seek help or help me?
[08:55] <zyaga> Though I didnt see anything
[08:55] <PacoBCN> and the readme of your driver is also a help
[08:58] <helll> hey guys...im partitioning my harddrive and i was wondering.. about how big should my swap, /boot, /home, and free space be?
[08:58] <helll> i have 120 gig hd
[08:58] <PacoBCN> well, I guess your swap can be as big as your ram is
[08:58] <cantpinmedown> swap atleast 400GB, boot 1KB / 40000GB and
[08:59] <cantpinmedown> MB
[08:59] <cantpinmedown> sory
[08:59] <geneo93> hehe
[08:59] <gabaug> what packages are essential to building kernel modules that aren't included in the default warty install? (eg gcc...and what else?)
[08:59] <ace2001ac> helll: i have 120GB also, I have 100MB /boot, 1GB swap, 2 10GB root partitions for different distros of linux if i want a second and the rest for home
[09:00] <geneo93> kernel utils
[09:00] <helll> ace2001ac: what about / ?
[09:00] <crimsun> gabaug: build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) kernel-package
[09:00] <helll> ace2001ac: oh never mind
[09:01] <ace2001ac> helll: ah, ok
[09:01] <zyaga> I've looked on the forums through all the HOWTO's and also through the Sticky's and I still can't find it, how to setup multiple monitors.
[09:02] <geneo93> ace2001ac:  you may want 2 diff home partitions also
[09:03] <ace2001ac> helll: I'm ok with only one, the second distro would only be for testing
[09:03] <gabaug> crimsun: thanks
[09:04] <geneo93> hell i'd give the whole drive for ubuntu
[09:04] <geneo93> there is no other
[09:06] <zyaga> Can anyone tell me how to setup multiple monitors on Ubuntu, been looking on the forums but so far can't find anything.
[09:07] <andros> You need to get acquainted with xinerama, zyaga.
[09:07] <zyaga> xinerama?
[09:07] <andros> Indeed.
[09:08] <andros> Hang on, let me get that wiki page.
[09:08] <zyaga> It doesnt come istalled already does it?
[09:09] <andros> Should be.
[09:09] <zyaga> Hmm.
[09:09] <zyaga> How would I get to it.
[09:10] <PacoBCN> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[09:10] <andros> You have to fiddle around in your X config file.
[09:10] <andros> Do you have warty or hoary?
[09:10] <zyaga> Warty.
[09:10] <andros> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaHowTo/view?searchterm=xinerama
[09:11] <andros> OK, so the config file in question is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
[09:11] <mak> can someone tell me where to start in getting my sound to work?
[09:11] <andros> What's wrong with it, mak?
[09:11] <mak> just installed hoary on my laptop, no sound
[09:12] <mak> if i try to play something, that application either does nothing or freezes
[09:12] <andros> hmm.
[09:12] <mak> in the list of devices, i'm not seeing anything that is obviously sound related... though i could be missing somehting
[09:12] <PacoBCN> which sound server are you using?
[09:12] <geneo93> mak did you update things
[09:13] <mak> yes, it told me i had like 64 updates and i did that
[09:14] <PacoBCN> is ALSA your default sound server?
[09:14] <mak> well, i believe so. how would i check?
[09:14] <andros> Go to the System Menu.
[09:15] <PacoBCN> Menu:System->Preferences->Multimedia system selector
[09:15] <mak> yep, there
[09:15] <geneo93> alsamixer would tell you
[09:15] <mak> i selected alsa
[09:15] <mak> test gave errors
[09:15] <andros> OK.
[09:15] <mak> for both
[09:15] <PacoBCN> try killing esd
[09:15] <PacoBCN> "killall esd"
[09:16] <mak> ' no process killed'
[09:16] <zyaga> andros: Have you used Xinerama?
[09:16] <mak> with an esd: in front of that
[09:16] <PacoBCN> weird problem
[09:16] <PacoBCN> warty or hoary?
[09:16] <mak> hoary
[09:17] <PacoBCN> it says error or you just don't hear anything?
[09:17] <geneo93> alsa mixer will tell you what chip is used
[09:17] <mak> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[09:18] <mak> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[09:18] <mak> whoops, sorry
[09:18] <mak> Intel 82801DV-ICH?4
[09:18] <mak> Conexant id 30
[09:19] <geneo93> so you have alsamixer open
[09:19] <gtjacket7483> anyone here running on a powerbook
[09:19] <geneo93> check settings
[09:19] <mak> yes, its open
[09:20] <geneo93> maybe its muted
[09:20] <mak> no, master isnt
[09:20] <mak> neither is pcm, headphone
[09:21] <geneo93> pcm
[09:21] <geneo93> hmm
[09:21] <mak> pcm is not muted
[09:22] <geneo93> ac97
[09:22] <orospakr> mdz, sorry about choosing the wrong bug level for 7556.
[09:23] <mak> geneo93, you talkting to me?
[09:23] <mak> i have no ac97
[09:23] <geneo93> yeah
[09:23] <gtjacket7483> anyone know how to change horizontal sync rate
[09:24] <_d4vid> hi all
[09:24] <mak> geneo93, under /proc/asound/cards: it has  Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with unknown codec at 0xe0100c00, irq 17
[09:24] <mak> does that mean anything? the unknown codec
[09:25] <geneo93> oh maybe you need win32 codecs
[09:26] <mak> i'll try
[09:26] <geneo93> your trying to play mp3
[09:26] <mak> mp3 or cd
[09:27] <geneo93> hmm
[09:27] <mak> neither did anything. xmms froze, while the default cd player just did nothing
[09:27] <geneo93> well you should get sounds from gnome any how
[09:28] <mak> right, no such luck
[09:28] <geneo93> the drums sound
[09:28] <mak> nope
[09:28] <geneo93> look on wiki no codecs
[09:31] <StaleFish> hello?
[09:31] <mak> well, I think its bed time. hopefully I'll have better luck another day
[09:31] <mak> gene, thanks for the help
[09:31] <crimsun> mak: sec
[09:32] <mak> oh. you got something, crimsun?
[09:32] <crimsun> mak: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:32] <crimsun> sorry, I'm debugging gtk-gnutella sigsegv and helping another user get his emu10k1x working, so I haven't been paying attention to this buffer
[09:33] <mak> 0 snd_intel8x0
[09:33] <ScislaC> would ubuntu which is on an ext3 partition have issues reading from an ext2 partition?
[09:33] <crimsun> mak: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[09:34] <mak> snd_intel8x0m          17220  0
[09:34] <mak> snd_intel8x0           29984  3
[09:34] <StaleFish> Does anyone know why my packages in Synampic have vanished?
[09:34] <crimsun> mak: aha!
[09:34] <mak> oh?
[09:35] <crimsun> mak: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:35] <crimsun> mak: when you reboot, sound should work.
[09:36] <crimsun> (you don't _have_ to reboot, but the process is far simpler if you do)
[09:36] <mak> snd-intel8x0m
[09:36] <mak> ok.. I guess I'll try now
[09:36] <geneo93> crimsun:  so its getting loaded twice
[09:36] <mak> that was the output
[09:36] <mak> i see
[09:36] <crimsun> geneo93: no, "m" signifies the modem
[09:37] <crimsun> geneo93: in 9 out of 10 cases I've seen, that module being loaded causes problems. It's not always the case, however.
[09:37] <geneo93> so the device was busy then crimsun
[09:38] <crimsun> well, esd/polypaudio was trying to use features that weren't available
[09:38] <geneo93> oic
[09:39] <sfa> hi all
[09:40] <sfa> do you know where's my mistake that gcc giving me a bunch of errors?
[09:40] <sfa> I'm using ubuntu 4.10, gcc 3.3.4
[09:40] <EfentharWireless> What errors? What are you compiling?
[09:40] <sfa> the code is in c++
[09:41] <crimsun> sfa: what are you trying to do?
[09:41] <crimsun> sfa: dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii
[09:41] <sfa> only simple program to try the installed gcc
[09:41] <sfa> here what happened
[09:42] <sfa> #include <iostream>
[09:42] <sfa> using namespace std;
[09:42] <sfa> int main()
[09:42] <sfa> {
[09:42] <sfa> cout << "Hi, this is RJ" << endl;
[09:42] <sfa> return 0;
[09:42] <sfa> }
[09:42] <sfa> #gcc testing.cpp
[09:42] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x1b): In function 'main':
[09:42] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::cout'
[09:42] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x20): In function 'main':
[09:42] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>>(std::basic_ostream<char,std::chr_traits<char)>&,char const*)'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x28): In function 'main':
[09:43] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::basic_osream<char,std::char_traits<chr>&std::endl<chr,std::char_traits<char>>(std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&)'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x30): In function 'main':
[09:43] <sfa> Undefined reference to 'std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>::operator <<(std::bsic_ostream<char,std::chr_traits<char>>&(*)(std:basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&))'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x59): In function '__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int,int)':
[09:43] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::ios_ase::Init::Init[in-charge] ()'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x8a): In function '__tcf_0':
[09:43] <sfa> Undefinde reference to 'std::ios_base::Init::~Init[in-charge] ()'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.eh_frame+0x11)
[09:43] <sfa> :Undefined reference to '__gxx_personality_vo'
[09:43] <sfa> collect2:ld returned 1 exit status.
[09:43] <EfentharWireless> Have you got libc++ installed?
[09:43] <sfa> ofcourse
[09:43] <sfa> it is libstdc v3
[09:43] <eb0x> sfa: for that kind of stuff, please paste in #flood or use something like www.nopaste.biz
[09:44] <sfa> heheh sorry... I just thought you guys need the detail
[09:44] <eb0x> its ok, just for future reference ;p
[09:44] <EfentharWireless> sfa, are you trying to complile a c++ program with gcc? you need to be using g++
[09:44] <eyequeue> and you have the -dev of the libraries?
[09:44] <daroot> hi @ all
[09:45] <sfa> iI have had the g++ link with the gcc
[09:45] <eyequeue> it looks like he is trying to compile as root ???
[09:45] <crimsun> sfa: again, please dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii
[09:45] <eb0x> daroot: Hi
[09:45] <daroot> yesterday i installed ubuntu an now i want change the default boot os to windows i edited my /boot/grub/menu.lst but i can't save it!
[09:45] <EfentharWireless> sfa, is that english?
[09:45] <crimsun> sfa: your issue is that you lack the appropriate C++ packages
[09:46] <_4strO> daroot> sudo gedit ...
[09:46] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo before the ex=dit command
[09:46] <eb0x> daroot: How did you try saving it?
[09:46] <sfa> crimsun: ok, I'll try your command when I get home
[09:46] <crimsun> sfa: no, what you need to do is: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:46] <mario8723> Hi all!
[09:46] <daroot> i edit with vi and then :wq
[09:47] <eb0x> daroot: try pico or nano
[09:47] <membreya> is there any way to tell what processes are currently using a particular partition ?
[09:47] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:47] <daroot> yeah i've done with this command but doesn't work
[09:47] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo is needed for root permissions
[09:47] <sfa> crimsun: what are the c++ packages? I've already installed all in sypnatic package
[09:47] <mario8723> Question for anybody...noob here
[09:47] <eb0x> daroot: :wq isnt a command in pico
[09:47] <crimsun> sfa: just run the command I gave you :-)
[09:48] <mak> crimsun, the sounds work -- some of them
[09:48] <eb0x> daroot: You will control + w .. y .. enter
[09:48] <sfa> eyequeue: can't I use su instead of sudo?
[09:48] <daroot> no it's a command for vi
[09:48] <eyequeue> sfa no
[09:48] <sfa> crimsun: thx crimsun, I'll try it as soon as I get home, in cybercafe now :-)
[09:48] <crimsun> mak: which ones?
[09:48] <eb0x> hey hone
[09:48] <crimsun> sfa: ok :-)
[09:48] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo
[09:48] <mak> well, the drims and the other system sounds
[09:49] <mario8723> I just downloaded Gnomebaker
[09:49] <crimsun> mak: ok, and which ones don't?
[09:49] <mak> but... xmms still freezes, tried to play a cd and that took 92% cpu cycles
[09:49] <membreya> what's up mario8723 ?
[09:49] <mak> with no sound
[09:49] <mario8723> Tried installing, but getting an error saying I don't have compiler package?
[09:49] <mario8723> I know I'm missing something
[09:49] <eb0x> mario8723: Which package?
[09:49] <sfa> eyequeue: why we have to use sudo while we have powerful su?
[09:49] <eb0x> mario8723: According to the error, which package are you missing?
[09:50] <mario8723> C compiler I believe it said
[09:50] <crimsun> mak: configure XMMS to use the esd output plugin.
[09:50] <eyequeue> sfa:  this is ubuntu, there are security measures designed into it
[09:50] <membreya> sudo apt-get install gcc mario8723
[09:50] <daroot> when i type sudo vi /blablabla then i have to type my password, enter nothing because i never enter a password for sudo/root , and vi doesn't start
[09:50] <mario8723> Ah
[09:50] <mario8723> Lemme try
[09:50] <membreya> is there any way to tell what processes are currently using a particular partition ?
[09:50] <crimsun> mak: as for CD playing, you need to enable DMA for your CD/DVD drive
[09:50] <eb0x> daroot:  you *must* enter a password
[09:50] <eyequeue> daroot:  use *your* password!
[09:51] <mak> ok.. where?
[09:51] <eyequeue> daroot:  the primary user password
[09:51] <daroot> i will try
[09:51] <daroot> how do i save and exit in nano?
[09:51] <netpuppy> alternately you could 'sudo passwd'
[09:51] <crimsun> mak: Options>Preferences>Output Plugins
[09:51] <netpuppy> and set a root password
[09:51] <crimsun> daroot: ctrl+x
[09:51] <eyequeue> daroot:  use vi, which you know
[09:51] <eb0x> daroot: You will control + w .. y .. enter
[09:51] <eb0x> er
[09:51] <eb0x> sorry
[09:51] <eb0x> control +x
[09:52] <netpuppy> anybody got the "new" ati drivers installed?
[09:52] <eyequeue> netpuppy:  better not to advise newbies to subvert the security designed into the system, imo
[09:53] <netpuppy> eyequeue: how does setting a root password sacrifice security?
[09:53] <mak> crimsun, are you talking about xmms or the cd player?
[09:53] <daroot> it works fine :)
[09:54] <daroot> how can i disable the system speaker or the sound which i get in console when i want to delete something and there is nomore anything to delete?
[09:54] <mario8723> membreya: I just installed gcc
[09:54] <Agrajag> netpuppy: here's a scenario, I don't think it's too far gone
[09:54] <eyequeue> netpuppy:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:54] <Agrajag> someone gets the IP address of some guy who's running sshd
[09:54] <mario8723> then I cd to the gnomebaker folder and ran ./configure
[09:54] <mario8723> but I'm getting "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
[09:54] <Agrajag> the person running sshd is a raw newbie, doesn't check security logs or anything
[09:55] <mak> crimsun, you are my hero. xmms now works!
[09:55] <mak> now... the cd player...
[09:55] <Agrajag> they set a root password, an easy-to-remember, 5-letter password.
[09:55] <crimsun> mak: great :-)
[09:55] <Agrajag> All someone then has to do is brute-force root, since they already know the username
[09:55] <crimsun> mak: which device is your cd player? primary/secondary master/slave?
[09:55] <daroot> does anyone know how i can listen to shoutcast streams? it must be easy to install :)
[09:55] <mario8723> Can anybody help me?
[09:56] <Agrajag> if they don't know the user name, they can't crack the account
[09:56] <mak> oh... hmm... ist a laptop
[09:56] <eb0x> mario8723: Give me one sec to look that up for you
[09:56] <mario8723> sure
[09:56] <mario8723> thanks
[09:56] <crimsun> mario8723: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:56] <mak> daroot, xmms
[09:56] <mario8723> k
[09:56] <eyequeue> it's build-essential night
[09:56] <daroot> and how do i install this?
[09:56] <mario8723> crimsun: done
[09:57] <daroot> is there a tutorial for me noob ;)
[09:57] <mario8723> Now what? Try to ./configure again?
[09:57] <eb0x> mario8723:  Yes
[09:57] <mak> daroot, sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:57] <crimsun> mario8723: yep, and you'll probably run into additional errors
[09:57] <crimsun> mario8723: which means you'll continue to apt-get install <various development packages>
[09:57] <eyequeue> daroot:  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:57] <daroot> 3
[09:57] <daroot> 4
[09:58] <daroot> 3
[09:58] <daroot> 4
[09:58] <mario8723> Which I did
[09:58] <netpuppy> Agrajag: well, yeah?
[09:58] <mario8723> Missing libgnomeui-2.0
[09:58] <geneo93> 5
[09:58] <daroot> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:58] <daroot>   amarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-oss but it is not going to be installed or
[09:58] <Agrajag> netpuppy: just saying is all
[09:58] <mario8723> Tried to apt-get but couldn't find package?
[09:58] <Agrajag> also read that wiki page
[09:58] <eb0x> mario8723: apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0
[09:58] <netpuppy> Agrajag: and why couldn't the exact same thing happen if the user were using sudo?
[09:58] <eb0x> mario8723: try that
[09:58] <netpuppy> (and his account got bruteforced)
[09:58] <mario8723> I did, and that's what I got
[09:59] <Agrajag> eb0x: he needs the -dev package
[09:59] <mario8723> Couldn't find package
[09:59] <Agrajag> netpuppy: how do they know his username?
[09:59] <daroot> i got the error "the following packages have unmet dependencies"
[09:59] <mario8723> so I should sudo apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-dev?
[09:59] <eb0x> mario8723: Try apt-get install libgnomeui-dev
[09:59] <ompaul> daroot > sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-oss <
[09:59] <mario8723> k
[09:59] <eb0x> go with what ompaul said
[09:59] <eb0x> im also new to linux ;p
[09:59] <mak> crimsun, how do i enabel dma? i think the device is a master, but like i said, its laptop.. so I'm nt sure
[10:00] <netpuppy> Agrajag: most people don't keep their usernames secret
[10:00] <eyequeue> with the word install added
[10:00] <ompaul> daroot, and when it asks for a password that password is yours
[10:00] <bruno_> I used apt-get to install xmmms but i noticed the playing quality is quite bad, any ideas?
[10:00] <membreya_> my gnome is doing some freaky lockups today :|
[10:00] <netpuppy> bruno_: adjust the volume with alsa-mixer
[10:01] <netpuppy> bruno_: don't set it above 74% if you have a cheap (or on-board) sound card
[10:01] <bruno_> wll that get rid of the bad 'distorting'?
[10:01] <mario8723> Btw, as a Linux noob I think places like this are absolutely a godsend
[10:01] <Agrajag> netpuppy: if you scan a block of IPs for running ssh servers, how does that get you the username?
[10:01] <mario8723> Thanks to everybody
[10:01] <netpuppy> bruno_: you /could/ try
[10:01] <daroot> i always got the same error also when i want to install gstreamer0.8-oss
[10:01] <Agrajag> it's at least one more obstacle
[10:01] <bruno_> thnks
[10:02] <membreya_> mario8723: did you get gnomebaker configured?
[10:02] <crimsun> mak: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg
[10:02] <netpuppy> Agrajag: I don't know about you, but at least I don't allow root logins over ssh
[10:02] <eb0x> mario8723: Also bookmark www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:02] <Agrajag> netpuppy: some people do
[10:02] <mario8723> Already did, thanks eb0x
[10:02] <Agrajag> newbies are not usually so security0minded
[10:02] <eb0x> mario8723: You're welcome
[10:02] <netpuppy> Agrajag: some people are retards
[10:02] <mak> hdc: _NEC DVD+/-RW ND-6450A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[10:02] <mak> hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
[10:02] <Agrajag> hell, when I first started, I ran a telnetd
[10:02] <mario8723> Now I installed libgnomeui-dev
[10:02] <mario8723> Where do I go from here?
[10:02] <daroot> amarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-oss but it is not going to be installed or
[10:03] <Agrajag> mario8723: run configure again
[10:03] <eb0x> mario8723: try ./configure again
[10:03] <mario8723> membreya: working on it
[10:03] <mario8723> k
[10:03] <netpuppy> Agrajag: I did too, but that was because ssh didn't exist :)
[10:03] <hank_> Hi all, anyone had any luck changing splash screens in ubuntu?
[10:03] <hank_> After several days my wireless finally works with ubuntu, Yay!
[10:03] <netpuppy> or rather rsh
[10:03] <netpuppy> unencrypted, anyways
[10:03] <mario8723> Missing vorbisfile now, lol
[10:03] <Agrajag> true, but it doesn't mean it was a particularly good idea
[10:03] <mario8723> Apt-getting as we speak
[10:04] <mario8723> Couldn't find package
[10:04] <mario8723> doh
[10:04] <Agrajag> mario8723: use apt-cache search <name> to find a package
[10:04] <geneo93> hank_:  are you from beos
[10:04] <mario8723> What package should I download to get the vorbisfile?
[10:05] <eb0x> mario8723: Do you know how to use Synaptic Package Manager?
[10:05] <mario8723> Yes
[10:05] <ompaul> mario8723,  well if I wanted to find that out I might do --> apt-cache search vorbis <-- and then looking through the result all would be known :)
[10:05] <Agrajag> libvorbis-dev probably
[10:05] <mario8723> I'm doing this through the terminal
[10:06] <eb0x> You can search through synaptic, which i find easier. But if you prefer terminal, go for it and do it that way
[10:06] <netpuppy> speaking of -dev packages.. is there a way to always get headers etc. installed with a package?
[10:06] <eyequeue> no
[10:06] <mario8723> I like Synaptic, don't get me wrong, but coming over from *indows, I think I should learn how to do everything in a terminal at first
[10:07] <eb0x> not a bad idea
[10:07] <mario8723> Wow
[10:07] <mario8723> It looks like I have no other packages to find, lol
[10:07] <Agrajag> *indows?
[10:07] <netpuppy> mario8723: then using the apt front-end isn't really the way to do it
[10:07] <geneo93> well just type in synaptic then
[10:07] <schasi> windowsTM
[10:07] <mario8723> Windows
[10:07] <netpuppy> go use jhbuild ;)
[10:08] <cocol> sudo synaptic
[10:08] <mario8723> Okay well I ./configure in the gnomebaker directory
[10:08] <mario8723> and everything seemed to have worked
 *indows?
[10:08] <eb0x> Windows and Lindows I guess
[10:09] <Agrajag> it's not lindows any more
[10:09] <mario8723> Only I run 'gnomebaker' and get can't be found
[10:09] <Agrajag> it's linspire!
[10:09] <netpuppy> why not say ?indows then?
[10:09] <netpuppy> :)
[10:09] <bruno_> apart from ww.linmodems.com is there any other way for me to get full dunctional drivers for my modem?
[10:09] <Agrajag> All of Debian for only $99 a year!
[10:09] <mario8723> Do I have something else to do?
[10:09] <Agrajag> SUCH A DEAL
[10:09] <scizzo> mario8723: you need to install it als
[10:09] <scizzo> mario8723: ./configure only checks things for your system
[10:09] <bruno_> i mean functional
[10:09] <geneo93> mario8723:  did you make install
[10:09] <mario8723> no
[10:09] <scizzo> mario8723: if you can find a INSTALL file in the archive then read that
[10:10] <mario8723> make install gnomebaker?
[10:10] <scizzo> no
[10:10] <Agrajag> mario8723: to do the whole thing in one line:
[10:10] <mario8723> k
[10:10] <Agrajag> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[10:10] <Agrajag> give your password when it asks
[10:10] <netpuppy> grr... it's freaking annoying that the ubuntu packaged fglrx drivers are so out-dated
[10:10] <eb0x> mario8723: For the most part, most things installed you will need to ./configure then make then sudo make install
[10:10] <geneo93> well in that case make then make install
[10:10] <Agrajag> That will install almost any sane program from source
[10:10] <eb0x> mario8723: which can also be done in one line as Agrajag said by typing ./configure && make && sudo make install
[10:11] <scizzo> netpuppy: in warty?
[10:11] <mario8723> Doing so now Agrajag
[10:11] <scizzo> netpuppy: what is the latest driver?
[10:11] <netpuppy> scizzo: hoary
[10:11] <mario8723> Done
[10:11] <netpuppy> schasi: err, 8.10.19 IIRC
[10:11] <mario8723> Anything else or is that it?
[10:11] <Agrajag> mario8723: then you should now be able to run it
[10:11] <mario8723> I just did!
[10:11] <schasi> netpuppy: Err, you meant scizzo
[10:11] <mario8723> Thanks!
[10:11] <netpuppy> schasi: sorry
[10:11] <quarupt> how can i see all games packaged for Ubuntu?
[10:12] <mario8723> The big problem I've had to date is trying to figure out how to install things
[10:12] <scizzo> netpuppy: 6.8.0-8.8.25
[10:12] <netpuppy> scizzo: yes?
[10:12] <Agrajag> quarupt: open Synaptic, go to the games and amusement section
[10:12] <quarupt> theres 3
[10:12] <mak> crimsun, you still around?
[10:12] <quarupt> are they all the same
[10:12] <scizzo> netpuppy: seems like this version is for xorg 6.8.0 and is the fglrx drive version 8.8.25
[10:12] <geneo93> now ya know
[10:13] <scizzo> netpuppy: its not that old ?
[10:13] <netpuppy> scizzo: lets do a math test... which is the higher number, 8 or 10?
[10:13] <mario8723> The other problem is trying to setup my sound, ugh
[10:13] <Agrajag> quarupt: no, look at all of them
[10:13] <quarupt> You guys think about, by simply typing something and pressing enter, we are communicating instantly with people all over the globe
[10:13] <scizzo> netpuppy: lets look at the site instead shall we?
[10:13] <netpuppy> scizzo: the current version has a bug so you can't use Xv together with tv-out
[10:14] <netpuppy> that's a pretty sick bug
[10:14] <scizzo> netpuppy: February 17, 2005 -> 8.10.19
[10:14] <netpuppy> scizzo: yep
[10:14] <crimsun> mak: yep
[10:14] <mario8723> I've been having immense problems with Alsa and trying to configure my onboard sound
[10:14] <scizzo> netpuppy: January 29, 2005 -> 8.8.25-2
[10:14] <crimsun> mak: ok, so it's /dev/hdc
[10:14] <mak> right
[10:14] <crimsun> mak: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:15] <scizzo> netpuppy: like I said...not that old
[10:15] <netpuppy> scizzo: that's a month - considering ati's promise to release new linux drivers every second month I'd consider that to be outdated
[10:15] <mario8723> Agrajag: You know anything about that?
[10:15] <Agrajag> no
[10:15] <scizzo> netpuppy: ok
[10:16] <mario8723> Anybody know how to configure a soundcard?
[10:16] <netpuppy> and considering the bugs in 8.8.25 I *really* think it needs to be updated
[10:16] <mario8723> Or onboard sound I should say
[10:16] <mario8723> I've tried posting, but haven't really seen anything that's worked yet
[10:16] <Agrajag> all I ever had to do was load the right module and set levels in alsamixer
[10:16] <crimsun> mario8723: what sound card?
[10:16] <crimsun> (brb)
[10:16] <mario8723> VIA onboard
[10:16] <mario8723> vx720
[10:17] <scizzo> netpuppy: make a package then? :)
[10:18] <netpuppy> scizzo: tried that
[10:18] <netpuppy> just 'alien -d fglrx64_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.x86_64.rpm'
[10:19] <mak> good night all
[10:19] <mario8723> crimsun: VIA VT1720 Evny 24PT Chip
[10:20] <mario8723> I've been at this for 2 days now and haven't made any headway
[10:20] <mario8723> Should have come here :)
[10:21] <mario8723> I used Synaptic to get alsa
[10:22] <mario8723> But I can't seem to get my sound working...everything is silent over here :(
[10:22] <crimsun> mario8723: lsmod|grep ^snd_ice1724
[10:23] <mario8723> k
[10:24] <mario8723> crimsun: I get 'snd_ice1724            54404  0'
[10:25] <scizzo> netpuppy: hehe
[10:25] <mario8723> What does that mean exactly?
[10:25] <ikaro> mojn
[10:25] <membreya> well my partition is now reiserfs :)
[10:26] <membreya> just gotta set the mount so I can write to the bloody thing :P
[10:26] <scizzo> y0 ikaro
[10:26] <crimsun> mario8723: ok. And please paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.ca
[10:26] <mario8723> when I type in amixer, I get No Such Device
[10:27] <geneo93> alsamixer
[10:27] <mario8723> No such device
[10:27] <mario8723> :(
[10:27] <crimsun> mario8723: please paste the output of lsmod to http://pastebin.ca
[10:27] <mario8723> k
[10:28] <mario8723> http://pastebin.ca/7353
[10:29] <hank_> Anyone had any luck compiling programs with ubuntu?
[10:29] <membreya> think I should use nolog with my reiserfs??
[10:29] <scizzo> hank_: yes
[10:29] <akra> I have to admit, I do like clearlooks
[10:30] <Zotnix> akra, I just started using it.
[10:30] <akra> now... if only I could solve my wireless NIC problem, all would be great!
[10:31] <mario8723> Were you able to see it crimsun?
[10:31] <Zotnix> akra, wish I could but I have no clue about wireless. Heh
[10:31] <agabus> can someone tell me how to install a .deb package on ubuntu?
[10:31] <scizzo> akra: unsupported card?
[10:31] <scizzo> agabus: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[10:31] <akra> scizzo: no it's a centrino: ipw2200
[10:32] <hank_> oh scizzo, whats the secret?
[10:32] <akra> problem is, it disconnects for no apparent reason and I have to unload/load the module to get it back
[10:32] <scizzo> hank_: apt-get install build-essential
[10:32] <scizzo> hank_: that is the first thing...then you have to look at the READMEs and INSTALL file of the program to see the dependencies
[10:33] <scizzo> akra: sounds like that is rather annoying
[10:33] <bruno_> i installed the alsa mixer, what does the PCM stand for?
[10:33] <hank_> I tried that and this came out
[10:33] <hank_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:33] <hank_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:33] <hank_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[10:33] <hank_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:33] <hank_>   build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <hank_>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <hank_>   linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386: Depends: linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 but it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <hank_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[10:34] <scizzo> hank_: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:34] <mario8723> crimsun?
[10:34] <akra> scizzo: yeah!  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 is the relevant bug I think
[10:34] <scizzo> hank_: just like it says: "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:"
[10:35] <hank_> I'll try that.
[10:35] <hank_> oh right. thanks
[10:35] <scizzo> hank_: after doing 'apt-get -f install' you can run 'apt-get install build-essential' again
[10:36] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:36] <hank_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[10:36] <hank_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:36] <hank_>   build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:36] <hank_>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:36] <hank_>   linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386: Depends: linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 but it is not going to be inst
[10:36] <hank_> doh
[10:37] <da_bon_bon> i just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?
[10:37] <crimsun> mario8723: yes, sec. (Test-building gtk-gnutella)
[10:38] <mario8723> no prob
[10:38] <da_bon_bon> anyone ?
[10:38] <membreya_> anyone here using reiserfs that can help me with permissions? ie I have mounted the drive, but nothing except sudo can write to it
[10:38] <mak> hey, I'm trying to install a vpn client, its asking me for the directory containing linux kernel source code. any ideas?
[10:38] <scizzo> hank_: did you run apt-get -f install and nothing else?
[10:39] <scizzo> I mean no package efter install
[10:39] <da_bon_bon> mak: apt-get install linux-tre-YOURKERNELVERSION
[10:39] <da_bon_bon> tree
[10:39] <eb0x> crimsun: It worked,
[10:39] <eb0x> crimsun: Thank you so much for all of your help!
[10:40] <hank_> no, I ran it with build essential
[10:40] <mak> da_bon_bon, this will install something? i just need a directory
[10:40] <scizzo> hank_: then don't
[10:40] <akra> membreya, tried adding umask=000 to the optiosn section of the fstab entry?
[10:40] <hank_> ahh okay
[10:40] <da_bon_bon> mak: this will get u the kernel source
[10:40] <mak> oh
[10:40] <scizzo> hank_: like I said: apt-get -f install and then apt-get install build-essential
[10:40] <mak> so.. i have the haoary preview,
[10:41] <mak> 2.6.10-4-386?
[10:41] <da_bon_bon> mak: yes
[10:41] <da_bon_bon> mak: not if u run the 2.6.11 kernel like i do
[10:41] <crimsun> eb0x: np :-)
[10:41] <hank_> Hey, its working, thanks scizzo
[10:41] <da_bon_bon> i just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?
[10:41] <membreya_> akra: then it gives bad file type
[10:41] <membreya_> or bad option
[10:41] <scizzo> hank_: apt-get -f install = fix broken
[10:41] <membreya_> it's a bad option cos running it with "defaults" works
[10:42] <scizzo> hank_: that is why...
[10:42] <hank_> yeah, I see, cool.
[10:42] <akra> membreya_, hmm
[10:42] <hank_> So now just check out the package readme files you say. I'll give it a burl
[10:42] <akra> membreya_, beyond my knowledge, I'm afraid :(
[10:42] <membreya_> scizzo: i thought apt-get -f forces it, irrespective of dependancy issues
[10:42] <Akira> oohh i cannot wait till my hoary cds come...
[10:42] <scizzo> membreya_: true.. :)
[10:42] <membreya_> grrrrf..someone here has to run reiserfs
[10:42] <mak> Couldn't find package linux-tree-2.6.10-4-386, da_bon_bon
[10:43] <sittisal> hi!
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> mak: apt-cache search linux-tree
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> mak: most probably it is linux-tree-2.6.10
[10:43] <crimsun> mak: are you trying to compile a kernel module?
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: he is install vpn client
[10:43] <geneo93> membreya_:  what does the line in fstab say
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> mak: it will be a tar.bz2 file unzip it to get the complete source
[10:44] <mak> ok. its getting something
[10:44] <sittisal> guys i cannot run any sys/admin tools from warty and hoary
[10:44] <mario8723> crimsun: were you able to see my lsmod ok?
[10:44] <membreya> geneo93: /dev/sda6       /media/windows reiserfs  defaults      0 0
[10:44] <crimsun> mak: a kernel module only needs linux-headers. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:44] <sittisal> i've changed root password with sudo passwd
[10:44] <membreya> I haven't tweaked the FS yet, I just want it mounted so that squid can write to it
[10:44] <crimsun> mario8723: yes, I'm referencing the source code, sec.
[10:44] <scizzo> membreya: apt-get -f install is used to fix broken thingys
[10:44] <geneo93> membreya:  is that a cd
[10:44] <mario8723> cool
[10:44] <mario8723> Thanks
[10:44] <mak> ok. its in the middle of getting the source
[10:45] <scizzo> membreya: in from the manual: "Fix;  attempt  to  correct  a system with broken dependencies in place."
[10:45] <membreya> geneo93: no, it's a partition on my SATA drive
[10:45] <sittisal> but every tool that requires root privileges says me that the password is not correct...
[10:45] <membreya> scizzo: "-f  Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails"
[10:45] <scizzo> membreya: -f can be used for different other options
[10:45] <mario8723> Is this channel made up entirely of users or do developers stop by occasionally as well?
[10:45] <membreya> :)
[10:45] <mario8723> Just curious
[10:45] <sittisal> so i've to open console and do "su" and then "name-of-tool"
[10:45] <geneo93> why the windows dir and in media dir membreya
[10:46] <scizzo> membreya: man apt-get /-f
[10:46] <BleSS> i need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems. [ grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|tr "\n" " " ]  If you use acpi, i need: 'ls -R /proc/acpi/' and to apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx
[10:46] <geneo93> should be in /mnt/blah
[10:46] <scizzo> membreya: --help only gives you a breif explanation
[10:46] <membreya> geneo93: windows is just a carry over from when it was my FAT32 partition, will fix that once I get it all running the way I want...and I place all my mounts in /media..cos ubuntu guide tells me to
[10:47] <spiral> hi
[10:47] <geneo93> thats the problem then
[10:48] <membreya> why is that the problem ? it was working perfectly :|
[10:48] <geneo93> hell all mine in media dont work
[10:48] <membreya> i have my smbfs and my ntfs mounts in there
[10:48] <membreya> and they're fine :|
[10:49] <geneo93> i'm just so used to mnt
[10:49] <geneo93> thats what i use as default
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> Is there any way to autostart programs in gnome and have them appear on a specific terminal or start minimised?
[10:50] <sittisal> arghhhh
[10:50] <sittisal> all menus are "sudo-nized" :-)
[10:50] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: that is how you setup sessions
[10:50] <geneo93> membreya:  did you do a mount -a
[10:50] <mak> crimsun, now that i got the linux-headers, what do i enter for "Directory containing linux kernel source code"?
[10:51] <membreya> geneo93: yup, hmm I can write to the mount when I'm just my normal user, just that the  "proxy"  user doesn't have authority to write it
[10:51] <sittisal> ahah all i should do is put my password ... ahahah
[10:51] <HiddenWolf> scizzo: I've set up sessions, but I'd like Rhythmbox for instance not to pop into my face but stay in the notification area, where it belongs
[10:51] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: hmmm
[10:52] <da_bon_bon> i just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?
[10:52] <geneo93> chown /media/blah/blah/ -R 777 membreya
[10:52] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: you could send a parameter to it I guess
[10:52] <crimsun> mak: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[10:53] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: oh, mak needed to compile a module ?
[10:53] <membreya> geneo93: it's already 777 :|
[10:53] <mario8723> I gotta tell ya, I hope one day I'm the one answering questions in her:)
[10:53] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: how...I do not know
[10:53] <geneo93> hmmm
[10:53] <mario8723> Instead of asking them, lol
[10:54] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: dunno, he didn't answer that question.
[10:54] <scizzo> mario8723: I think you can answer questions already
[10:54] <mario8723> VERY few, lol
[10:54] <scizzo> mario8723: not really
[10:54] <mario8723> I'm just trying to get my damn sound!:)
[10:54] <scizzo> mario8723: you have got ubuntu installed haven't you?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> crimsun. oh ok
[10:55] <mario8723> Yep
[10:55] <da-root> how can i install the security updates?
[10:55] <mak> hey... crimsun, da_bon_bon... i dont think it worked
[10:55] <mak> or maybe its some other problem
[10:55] <membreya> this really has me stumped as to why "proxy" doesn't have the auth to write the cache files...should I just cheat and run it as myself? :)
[10:55] <scizzo> mario8723: do you get any sound at all...like small clips of sound effects?
[10:55] <mak> Cisco Systems VPN Client Version BUILDVER_STRING
[10:55] <mak> Copyright (C) 1998-2001 Cisco Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
[10:55] <mak> usage:
[10:55] <scizzo> mario8723: like the login sound effect?
[10:55] <mak>     ./driver_build.sh 'kernel_src_dir'
[10:55] <mak> 'kernel_src_dir' is the directory containing the linux kernel sour
[10:55] <mak> ce
[10:55] <mak> Failed to make module "cisco_ipsec.ko".
[10:55] <membreya> aaaaah!
[10:55] <scizzo> mario8723: try to turn off the sound server
[10:55] <membreya> #flood mak..#flood
[10:55] <mario8723> I get nothing at all
[10:56] <scizzo> mario8723: in System -> Preferences -> Sound or something
[10:56] <mario8723> crimsun is looking at my lsmod
[10:56] <scizzo> mario8723: turn of all sounds there
[10:56] <mario8723> It's beyond that at this point
[10:56] <scizzo> ok
[10:56] <mario8723> I wish it were that simple, lol
[10:56] <mak> membreya, what does that mean?
[10:56] <crimsun> mario8723: actually I'm looking at alsa-kernel/pci/ice1712/ice1724.c
[10:56] <fabbione> mak: the cisco ipsec module mostlikely needs to be patched
[10:56] <mario8723> Ok?
[10:57] <mario8723> What's that telling you?
[10:57] <crimsun> mario8723: cat /proc/asound/version
[10:57] <mario8723> I'm typing that in a terminal right?
[10:57] <mak> fabbione, what does that mean to me? can i do it?
[10:57] <crimsun> mario8723: actually, I got the info. Nevermind. :-)
[10:57] <mario8723> lol
[10:57] <mario8723> Sorry
[10:57] <mario8723> I've only been at this about 1 1/2 weeks
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: it depends how much you know about kernel internals :-)
[10:58] <membreya> ok geneo93, I'm just going to cheat and run it as myself :)
[10:58] <geneo93> what i looked at was oss sound server mario8723
[10:58] <mario8723> So I do have alsa drivers installed
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: otherwise convince cisco to release their source code ;)
[10:58] <mak> lol, you're kidding, right?
[10:58] <fabbione> no
[10:58] <membreya> good luck on that one fabbione :P
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: i used to patch it myself
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: because they kinda.. hmm don
[10:58] <fabbione> don't care?
[10:58] <mario8723> geneo93?
[10:59] <membreya> hmmm maybe the EU will force them to release their source code
[10:59] <mak> you know... i think it may have had it working on my warty... I'll have to check that out
[10:59] <geneo93> mario8723:  your paste
[10:59] <mario8723> oh
[10:59] <fabbione> mak: the problem is that the kernel changes ABI
[10:59] <fabbione> and if the module isn't updated, it might fail to build
[10:59] <mak> i see
[11:00] <scizzo> time to get some more coffee
[11:00] <geneo93> mario8723:  dont mind me it 5 am here
[11:00] <fabbione> mak: one thing you can do is to compile it manually
[11:00] <fabbione> mak: the script to compile is right there
[11:00] <mario8723> I've tried selecting esd, oss, and alsa in System>Prefences>Sound
[11:00] <fabbione> mak: and see why it fails
[11:00] <mario8723> 5 am here too
[11:00] <mario8723> yawn
[11:00] <fabbione> you might be lucky enough to be able to fix it
[11:00] <hank_> Can I apt-get the latest gtk libraries>
[11:00] <peppe185> help me please
[11:00] <crimsun> mario8723: what motherboard are you using?
[11:00] <crimsun> hank_: if you use Hoary, yes.
[11:00] <mak> ok..
[11:01] <fabbione> mak: unfortunatly i don't use it anymore
[11:01] <fabbione> otherwise i could have done it for you
[11:01] <hank_> Damn, I'm using warty. Is it easy to upgrade to hoary?
[11:01] <peppe185> i would mount a usb compact flash with ubuntu
[11:01] <mario8723> That one I actually know the answer to! Albatron PX865PE PRO II
[11:01] <mak> you dont use the client?
[11:01] <fabbione> mak: not anymore
[11:01] <mario8723> Great mobo btw
[11:01] <peppe185> i dont say !!!
[11:02] <mak> so, should I do the 'driver_build.sh'?
[11:02] <geneo93> hank_:  yes in synaotic just change repositiries to hoary
[11:02] <hank_> cool, xang.
[11:02] <fabbione> mak: i think so.. one step at a time and see where it fails
[11:02] <alpha> how do I install mplayer?  I can't use "apt-get install mplayer" says couldn't find package.
[11:03] <fabbione> alpha: you need to add multiverse to your archive
[11:03] <wezzer> alpha: or compile it from sources
[11:03] <membreya> alpha: what arch are you running?
[11:03] <mak> what do you mean? how do i stop through it?
[11:03] <wezzer> see ubuntu forums for howto
[11:03] <mak> step
[11:03] <geneo93> alpha:  u need to tell it i586 or i686
[11:03] <peppe185> allora fabbione..
[11:04] <membreya> or amd64 or x86_64 :P
[11:04] <fabbione> in english
[11:04] <alpha> umm... what's an AMD AthalonXP? i686?
[11:04] <membreya> k7
[11:04] <membreya> maybe k8 :|
[11:04] <peppe185> non conosco linglese fabbione
[11:04] <membreya> alpha: cat /proc/version
[11:04] <fabbione> peppe185: /j #ubuntu-it
[11:04] <BleSS> i need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems:  grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|tr "\n" " "   - I need also, If you use acpi: 'ls -R /proc/acpi/' and to apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx
[11:04] <crimsun> mario8723: lspci -v -> pastebin.ca, please
[11:04] <fabbione> peppe185: e chiedi li'
[11:04] <geneo93> i686
[11:05] <mario8723> k
[11:05] <peppe185> non ce nessuno fabbione
[11:05] <GNAM> auaua
[11:06] <mario8723> just gives me a list...?
[11:06] <fabbione> peppe185: this is an english chan only.
[11:06] <fabbione> peppe185: e' un canale solo per inglese
[11:06] <fabbione> (translating for the others)
[11:06] <GNAM> #ubuntu-it is the law
[11:06] <munki> how do I set up the incomming ports for Gnome Bittorrent ?
[11:06] <mak> fabbione, would '/bin/sh: gcc: command not found' have something to do with it?
[11:06] <fabbione> mak: eh perhaps :-)
[11:07] <fabbione> mak: apt-get install build-essential
[11:07] <fabbione> or build-essentials
[11:07] <fabbione> i can never remember
[11:07] <mario8723> crimsun: that gave me a list of possible commands
[11:08] <mak> you had it right the first time
[11:09] <mak> fabbione, I think it worked. I'll test it
[11:09] <mak> thanks
[11:09] <fabbione> mak: no problem :-)
[11:09] <crimsun> mario8723: that was shorthand for "please send the output of lspci -v to http://pastebin.ca"
[11:09] <mario8723> sorry
[11:11] <mario8723> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7354
[11:11] <geneo93> i cant wait till MS falls
[11:12] <michelmuerner> is there somebody using a thinkpad t42 or t42p?
[11:12] <mario8723> geneo93: I can't tell you how many times a day I hear from people with Windows problems
[11:12] <geneo93> michelmuerner:  there was earlier
[11:12] <mario8723> Most of them are re-installs
[11:12] <membreya> mario8723: ..windows problems are easy to fix..don't use it
[11:12] <mario8723> hee hee
[11:13] <mario8723> Which is why I'm here:)
[11:13] <michelmuerner> how can i check if there is the ati firegl t2 driver installed or not?
[11:13] <geneo93> mario8723:  i have 2 dell boxes sitting here with serious problems
[11:13] <membreya> gotta admin, I was a zealous MS fan..then I found Ubuntu :)
[11:13] <mario8723> I believe it
[11:13] <mario8723> Don't bother trying to call Dell support
[11:13] <mario8723> Unless you speak Hindu
[11:13] <membreya> :P
[11:13] <membreya> or punjabi mario8723
[11:14] <membreya> don't mutually exclude them
[11:14] <mario8723> exactly
[11:14] <membreya> and the language is hindi :)
[11:14] <geneo93> hell i just cant believe dell would back  such crap
[11:14] <mario8723> Nor I
[11:14] <rubenv> thank god my dell support is just 150 km away from here :-)
[11:14] <mario8723> Going downhill they are
[11:14] <mario8723> It's going to wind up hurting them big-time in the end
[11:14] <michelmuerner> who is buying dell?
[11:15] <crimsun> mario8723: I presume cat /proc/asound/cards returns "no cards"?
[11:15] <mario8723> "Sell Mortimer Sell!":)
[11:15] <mario8723> lemme check
[11:15] <geneo93> not i i have an old MSI 694X i built myself
[11:15] <mario8723> Right you are
[11:15] <mario8723> --- no soundcards ---
[11:16] <alpha> Should I be using all these in my repository listings? http://www.pastebin.com/254841
[11:16] <mario8723> Please don't tell me that I'm out of luck with my onboard sound
[11:16] <mario8723> lol
[11:17] <membreya> mario8723: what type of mobo is it ?
[11:17] <geneo93> alpha:  looks ok to me
[11:17] <michelmuerner> i've installed synaptic where can i find the entry in my menu?
[11:17] <scizzo> ls
[11:17] <scizzo> gah!
[11:18] <mario8723> Albatron PX865PE PRO II
[11:18] <membreya> :|
[11:18] <membreya> come back here ompaulAFK ...coward!
[11:18] <geneo93> michelmuerner:  just do a sudo synaptic in terminal
[11:19] <michelmuerner> yeah i know but what is if i want a link on kde?
[11:19] <crimsun> mario8723: it may be "just" different enough that the driver won't work
[11:19] <mario8723> wonderful :(
[11:19] <crimsun> mario8723: will ask upstream. Sorry, can't give you an answer immediately.
[11:20] <mario8723> Not a prob, thanks for all of your help
[11:20] <mario8723> Could you do me a favor and email me with the result or tell me where I should email to?
[11:21] <gsuveg> how can i boot into console mode (if gdm freeze my box) ?
[11:21] <membreya> any way to see network tfr speed in kB?
[11:21] <geneo93> crimsun:  your still batting 499
[11:21] <gsuveg> membreya: iptraf ?
[11:22] <membreya> works for me :)
[11:22] <membreya> thanks for that gsuveg :) awesome lil proggy
[11:23] <membreya> hmmm reiserfs seems to be coping better than I had thought :)
[11:23] <gsuveg> membreya: yw
[11:23] <membreya> data transfer over the network at 65000kbits, and my harddrive light is no longer constant like it was when it was FAT32
[11:24] <membreya> 65000 is a good speed over network right ? :P
[11:27] <alpha> I've installed xmms via apt-get.  how do I add an icon to the toolbar to launch it?  Say, under Applications?
[11:27] <membreya> alpha: it's already there
[11:27] <membreya> go to Applications > Sound and Video
[11:28] <alpha> membreya, not listed there.
[11:28] <LordGrunt> hi
[11:28] <LordGrunt> how to enable root account?
[11:28] <spiral> LordGrunt: see faq
[11:29] <alpha> LordGrunt, http://ubuntuguide.org/ see General Notes #6.  Or search within that document.
[11:30] <niran> LordGrunt: note that you don't actually have to enable the root account for normal use, so if there's something specific you're trying to do, might as well ask
[11:30] <geneo93> i just use terminal for root
[11:32] <alpha> I always get these errors... "E: postfix:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" and "E: postfix-tls:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" after synaptics, or apt-get.  How do I fix this?
[11:32] <LordGrunt> niran, but even packages install require root pswd
[11:32] <geneo93> alpha:  apt-get -f install
[11:33] <geneo93> LordGrunt:  just do a sudo passwd root
[11:33] <niran> LordGrunt: use sudo?
[11:34] <alpha> geneo93, http://www.pastebin.com/254846 still didn't fix it.
[11:35] <LordGrunt> i must admit this sucks a big time... distro intended to be user-friendly...
[11:35] <niran> LordGrunt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=sudo
[11:35] <niran> LordGrunt: are you using synaptic to install packages? it's fairly straightforward
[11:36] <LordGrunt> meh, i dont use much anything now, just installed
[11:36] <LordGrunt> its my first impression about it
[11:36] <niran> warty or hoary?
[11:36] <LordGrunt> warty
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know of a good place to by technology for people who live in California and don't want to pay the taxes like on newegg?
[11:37] <niran> LordGrunt: go to the computer menu->administration->synaptic
[11:37] <geneo93> alpha:  are you trying to insrall hoay packages on warty
[11:37] <niran> that's the gui used for installing programs in ubuntu
[11:37] <LordGrunt> thing is that i have to make *a lot* of changes to reach point what im used to. new kde, nvidia, etc
[11:37] <BleSS> i need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems:  grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|grep -v keyboard|tr "\n" " "   - I need also, If you use apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx
[11:37] <alpha> geneo93, I shouldn't be.
[11:38] <geneo93> alpha:  you have all updates
[11:38] <niran> LordGrunt: if you need to do a lot of things as root in a terminal, i think "sudo -s" will give you a root terminal to work in
[11:39] <alpha> geneo93, as fars as I can tell yes.  (synaptic, reload, mark all upgrades) (Software updates, system is up to date)
[11:40] <alpha> geneo93, would a reboot do anything?
[11:40] <geneo93> hmm i dont know then
[11:40] <geneo93> oh yes by all means
[11:40] <geneo93> load new kernel
[11:40] <alpha> 'ight. brb.
[11:41] <LordGrunt> niran, already got root to work :) next: 2 weeks of configurations and installs :(
[11:41] <niran> LordGrunt: what are you trying to do that takes so much extra work?
[11:41] <elTigre> Hi! I fried my kernel...
[11:42] <elTigre> how can I definitely get back to the one ubuntu distributes/recommends?
[11:42] <hank_> How do I run sh scripts in console?
[11:42] <niran> elTigre: shouldn't the old ubuntu kernel still be in your grub menu on boot?
[11:43] <niran> hank_: prefix the name of the script with "./"
[11:43] <LordGrunt> niran, its just lack of knowledge of new system with need for lots of new things to do. that makes it lenghty process...
[11:43] <elTigre> yeah it should
[11:43] <scizzo> hank_: chmod +x file.sh
[11:43] <elTigre> but it won't start
[11:43] <niran> oh yeah
[11:43] <scizzo> hank_: ./file.sh
[11:43] <niran> do what scizzo said
[11:43] <elTigre> it complains that it cannot mount my root partition
[11:43] <elTigre> I can only start an old kernel, 2.6.8
[11:44] <niran> hoary or warty?
[11:44] <hank_> awesome, thankyou
[11:44] <elTigre> hoary
[11:45] <niran> hmm...
[11:45] <scizzo> time to train...later all
[11:45] <A-L-P-H-A> geneo93, well the xmms icon now appears.  But the postfix error still comes up.
[11:46] <elTigre> would installing a kernel via synaptic adapt the menu.lst automatically?
[11:46] <niran> yeah, but don't you already have the hoary kernel installed?
[11:46] <membreya> elTigre: yes
[11:46] <niran> all it should take is a dpkg-reconfigure
[11:47] <geneo93> hmmm did you by chance tell synaptic yes when you didn't have all the files for something
[11:47] <elTigre> no
[11:47] <elTigre> but I'll try to update the kernel now.. there's a new minor version now
[11:48] <A-L-P-H-A> geneo93, uhh... mayhaps... if so, how do I fix it?
[11:49] <geneo93> well i'm off to bed
[11:49] <LordGrunt> awww, there is no mc package??? argh...
[11:50] <LordGrunt> not saying anything about kde. not listed anywhere. im just doomed to use gnome?
[11:50] <niran> LordGrunt: you need to add the universe repository
[11:50] <kreiger> kubuntu exists
[11:50] <niran> in synaptic, go to the settings menu
[11:51] <niran> then repositories
[11:51] <niran> and add universe to the sources
[11:51] <elTigre> no, you're not doomed, you're blessed to use gnome
[11:51] <niran> if you're using hoary then it's the "community maintained" one
[11:51] <kreiger> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[11:51] <kreiger> there
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> since when is kde > gnome?
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> :(
[11:51] <kreiger> it's not
[11:52] <niran> dude, who cares
[11:52] <kreiger> e17 beats them all
[11:52] <LordGrunt> say whatever about kde, im just used to it too much
[11:52] <Myrtti> OrangeSlice: opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one, and other peoples a**holes stink.
[11:52] <OrangeSlice> I would laugh, but I've heard that one before :p
[11:52] <looksaus> is anyone here successfully using tomboy on powerpc?
[11:52] <Myrtti> ie. Some like mothers, some daughters
[11:52] <LordGrunt> thus i know it much better
[11:52] <OrangeSlice> and, it's 3am.
[11:53] <niran> OrangeSlice: ah, the joys of PST
[11:53] <niran> i swear my internal clock is set to japan time.
[11:53] <OrangeSlice> I set mine to GMT for a while
[11:53] <Myrtti> I swear my internal clock is set to Pluto time
[11:53] <looksaus> ii  tomboy         0.3.1-0ubuntu5 desktop note taking program, with Wiki style
[11:53] <OrangeSlice> that screwed me up a lot
[11:53] <Myrtti> I'd like to sleep alday
[11:53] <Myrtti> +l
[11:54] <looksaus> tomboy comes from universe, so I don't think I can file a bug, right?
[11:54] <looksaus> is there any way I can get help then, apart from bugging the Debian people
[11:54] <niran> what's your bug?
[11:55] <looksaus> who supposedly won't be too happy with an Ubuntu user complaining
[11:55] <niran> i don't think debian proper has that package
[11:55] <eb0x> someone not be happy about a user complaining?
[11:55] <eb0x> not on freenode!
[11:56] <niran> Myrtti: pluto's length of day is 6.39 earth days. it'd probably suck to be on pluto time
[11:56] <Myrtti> mojn ikaro
[11:57] <csj> hello, could ask that take screenshot of gnome belong to which package?
[11:58] <niran> i think gnome-panel
[11:59] <niran> the name of the program is gnome-panel-screenshot, so that'd make sense
[12:00] <niran> yeah, i'm right
[12:00] <csj> niran: hmm, I have install gnome-panel, but I sue hostkey to take screenshot but it saied..: wait
[12:00] <niran> oh. i don't know anything about that
[12:01] <johso> my 'vv' button doesn't vvork? you knovv, the double v and... help?
[12:01] <niran> lol
[12:01] <looksaus> hm, apt-cache show tomboy reports the ubuntu-users mailing list as the place to send bug reports
[12:01] <looksaus> but the installation report I sent there never got through moderation
[12:01] <niran> looksaus: that wpuld make sense, as it's not supported by ubuntu or debian and doesn't have a bugzilla of it's own
[12:01] <looksaus> even if I did exactly what was in the manual
[12:01] <niran> subscribe
[12:02] <looksaus> niran, I don't feel like subscribing... why should I
[12:02] <niran> but anyway, what's the bug?
[12:02] <niran> your mails get through mor eeasily
[12:02] <johso> somebody? it doesn't help to logout and login either...
[12:02] <looksaus> niran, there something wrong at the moderation side
[12:02] <csj> these is what happened when I use hotkey to take screenshot :
[12:02] <csj> http://csj.homelinux.org/gallery/album03/error
[12:02] <looksaus> or there was just this email being deleted
[12:03] <niran> johso: i have no clue what would cause that
[12:03] <looksaus> niran, the bug: the panel applet comes up just fine
[12:03] <looksaus> but on whatever note I try to access, tomboy just crashes
[12:03] <niran> ah
[12:03] <niran> the problem is libgtk-cil
[12:03] <looksaus> it gives me very little information
[12:03] <johso> allright :/ it's very annoying though ;)
[12:03] <niran> you need to force it to be version 1.0.2
[12:03] <niran> or something
[12:04] <niran> it should be at 1.0.4 right now
[12:04] <niran> downgrade it.
[12:04] <looksaus> is this a known mono problem with hoary?
[12:04] <niran> not sure
[12:04] <looksaus> because I have no problem with the same tomboy on x86...
[12:05] <hank_> I'm trying to 'make' this prog but having no luck, when it asks for the kernal source, it seeks it here, /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build" where should it be looking?
[12:05] <niran> i'm on x86 and i have that problem
[12:05] <niran> i think it's more of a tomboy problem