[18:06] <vesimaenaudio> ubotu: sorry..my english is so bad and is hard explain my problem in english. im from finland
[18:06] <NickPresta> vesimaenaudio, ubotu is a bot. he is not a real person.
[18:07] <NickPresta> !fi | vesimaenaudio you can try here
[18:07] <ubotu> vesimaenaudio you can try here: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[18:07] <Tecumseh> I'm (still) having troubles installing azureus. It keeps crashing just after startup. I have gone through a dozen forumpages and guides but still no luck. Is there anybody that can give me a working sollution? I'm on Kubuntu Gutsy
[18:07] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, what happens when you run azureus from the console? What sort of output do you get? Feel free to use a pastebin if the output is greater than 3 lines
[18:08] <NickPresta> !pastebin > Tecumseh
[18:08] <Tecumseh> I know about pastebin NickPresta :P
[18:08] <NickPresta> :)
[18:09] <Tecumseh> Owh, for the record because it's kinda important. I'm on 64-bits Gutsy...
[18:09] <NickPresta> okay.
[18:09] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: yeah, i know this finland channel but there is not anyone who know some this memory
[18:10] <NickPresta> vesimaenaudio, okay. try and explain your problem again. I will do my best to help you.
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> listen up guys
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> the first linux distro that will rule the world have two essential things:
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> KDE >= 3.5.8
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> and
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> immediate availability of east asian language display (Unicode) and input
[18:11] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, thanks for the insight.
[18:11] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: okay...i try
[18:11] <Tecumseh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55001/
[18:11] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu already has the former
[18:11] <yao_ziyuan> but lacks the latter
[18:12] <yao_ziyuan> i tried PCLinuxOS 2007 and it seemed to have both (but a KDE < 3.5.8)
[18:12] <yao_ziyuan> now i'm downloading its 2008 version which includes KDE 3.5.8
[18:12] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, okay.
[18:13] <yao_ziyuan> as long as you guys still can't figure this essence out, kubuntu is crap.
[18:13] <yao_ziyuan> and windows still rocks
[18:13] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: you got the pastbin line I put in there?
[18:13] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, yep. I'm searching around Google now
[18:14] <Tecumseh> I did have it working on my previous installation but I did a reinstall because of another harddrive. Still have the old drive attached to this pc
[18:15] <Xbehave> !emerald
[18:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:15] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, according to the azureus wiki, it means your router doesn't support UPnP or someone on your LAN is using the UDP port.  Importing the themes via the Emerald theme manager is broken. However, you can still save the *.emerald file and import it manually.
[18:19]  * stdin starts digging
[18:20] <stdin> NickPresta: the sire emerald used to host the majority of their themes stop responding a while ago, and all development seems to have stopped
[18:20] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: i place my stick to usb panel. And there in stick is two exe file. One is program, which start if i do this in XP. Program ask password or fingerprint to allow acces in memory-stick. How i acces in stick in kubuntu? Wine not work. I hope you understand..
[18:21] <NickPresta> stdin, ah okay.
[18:21] <NickPresta> vesimaenaudio, I understood, but I don't know of a solution to your problem off the top of my head, sorry.
[18:22] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: okay, thanks
[18:22] <trojan_force> what is the latest version of linux out at the momen t
[18:22] <trojan_force> ?
[18:22] <stdin> the 2.6.24 series I think
[18:22] <NickPresta> trojan_force, the latest stable version is 2.6.24 :)
[18:23] <trojan_force> kk
[18:23] <trojan_force> what do u use
[18:23] <trojan_force> ?
[18:23] <stdin> gutsy uses 2.6.22, hardy will use 2.6.24
[18:23] <trojan_force> okies
[18:24] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: it should be doable with pam auto mount stuff, what encryption is used?
[18:24] <spiroo> Is Hardy stable enough these days, or should you wait. I mean they are Alpha-phase for the moment.
[18:25] <stdin> spiroo: the answer to that depends on what type of user you are
[18:25] <TameLion> spiroo: If you have to ask, you should probably wait :)
[18:26] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: i dont know.. where i can see it?
[18:26] <Xbehave> spiroo: unless you want to report bugs your probably better just updating the kernel if you want it
[18:26] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, I haven't been able to find any helpful information regarding your specific issue. You may consider using another version of Java (perhaps java-gcj)
[18:27] <spiroo> stdin, TameLion: Well I am quite out of the box user, if I have music player, internet working I do not need much more than that.
[18:27] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: im not sure what program is used under windows?
[18:27] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: I have some progress. I have disabled upnp but it still crashes
[18:27] <Tecumseh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55005/
[18:27] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: i go and watch....need boot to XP
[18:27] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, is there any specific reason why you _have_ to use Azureus? Deluge i a similar replacement and KTorrent is just awesome.
[18:27] <spiroo> Xbehave: I am not out for the new core, would be KDE 4.0.1 in that case.
[18:27] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: i dont know much about cross platform encryption so im not going to be much help, there may be a way of seeing it without repooting
[18:28] <Cavallito> I have some problems. My keboard works ok at the start but then suddenly space and all keys stoped to repat the char if I hold the key. So if I hold key "d" I just get one d not dddddd :) ? Where is the problem. I dont know any other way how to describe this :/
[18:29] <stdin> spiroo: you can try it out, but I'd suggest keeping gutsy installed and install hardy on another partition. at this moment it's mostly working but that can change very quickly. test out the liveCD for a while before you decide
[18:29] <stdin> remember that it's still not officially supported yet so it's up to you to figure things out
[18:30] <Tecumseh> I tried KTorrent, but didn't get through the ip-blocking filter configuration
[18:30] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: maybe there is, if can look..i cant..in stick is only autorun.inf, AutoVerify.exe and fpclear.exe -files.
[18:31] <spiroo> stdin: Allright then :P Will probably try it out, I will get my Stable Internet Line very soon though, So I am not sure. Anyway, is there huge changes in Hardy, or what Is it to expect? Does not say to much on the website kubuntu.org
[18:31] <rofl> it should be possible to use utorrent.exe with wine
[18:31] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: its possible to use luks and the windows equivelenat or truecrypt across both platforms, there may also be others too
[18:32] <stdin> spiroo: it's only been developed for 3 months so far so there are more changes to come, but most are core changes right now
[18:32] <Tecumseh> rofl: I didn't install Kubuntu (or any linux distro for that matter) just to fall back to windows programs
[18:32] <spiroo> I must though say, everyone is working really effective, I mean they released KDE 4.0.1, and it is almost out for every single desktop system or what you call it :P
[18:33] <rofl> Tecumseh: you won't find some good linux replacement for every windows program
[18:33] <rofl> especially if you code yourself
[18:34] <Xbehave> will installing feistys theme package get around my emerald problem
[18:34] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875  Check near the middle, where John Dong explains the situation (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875/comments/117) and if you follow the posts, there appears to be a fixed up deb.
[18:34] <rofl> its easier to do my coding in delphi and run the app in wine than learning c++ and how to use those fancy widgetsets
[18:34] <spiroo> stdin: Allright, seems not to much changes. Then my personal opinion, says theres not to much to better up. Only make more of it :) Would love when Amarok 2, Kopete 1.0, KDE4.1, Decibel, KOffice2 is out.
[18:35] <Douglas_E> looking for help with setting up ssh server and router stuff! Totally lost newbie
[18:35] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: i hope its possible..but i still go and boot system. and check this program
[18:35] <rofl> Douglas_E: you will need a tutorial then, use google
[18:36] <Douglas_E> Been there done that.
[18:36] <Douglas_E> I have it all installed but can't get it to work
[18:36] <Douglas_E> I can get it to work for local though.
[18:36] <rofl> the router or ssl
[18:36] <stdin> spiroo: amarok2 technical preview 1 is the the PPA, kopete 1.0 is a while off yet and koffice2 is slightly broken atm, don't know much about decibel
[18:36] <NickPresta> Douglas_E, have you checked out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto
[18:37] <rofl> then open port 22 on your router and forward it to your linux machines ip adress
[18:37] <rofl> must be under applications/gaming on most routers
[18:37] <Douglas_E> NickPresta: yes
[18:38] <NickPresta> stdin, does amarok2 (1.80-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1) need to be run within a KDE4 session?
[18:38] <spiroo> stdin: okay :) It will take some time, I understand. It is just so hard when they release betas and previews. I install them directly most of the time :P
[18:38] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: thanks for the read, I fear I have seen this thread before and tried it. But I'll retry anyway
[18:38] <Douglas_E> rofl how do you open port 22 on the router?
[18:38] <stdin> NickPresta: I think it should run in a kde3 session, haven't tried though. it may need plasma running
[18:39] <spiroo> Now I just miss Photoshop CS3 for Linux/KDE :P Hopfully there will be now, when Adobe uses QT.
[18:39] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, okay. Give Deluge a try if you haven't. It's similar to Azureus.
[18:39] <NickPresta> stdin, okay. *tries*
[18:39] <rofl> Douglas_E: search for a menupoint like "applications and gaming or port forwarding " on your router
[18:41] <p_masho> can someone help with kde4 - I want to disable the helpful "popup" that happend when u hover over an application on the taskbar.. Its causing kde4 to freeeeeze for 30 seconds or so (not the desktop setting, window thumbnail)
[18:41] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: found it: AMD64 users: icedtea crashes on your architecture (icedtea bug)
[18:42] <I_V_A_N> help?
[18:42] <NickPresta> I_V_A_N, with what
[18:42] <I_V_A_N> i want to install ubuntu but i have xp
[18:43] <I_V_A_N> and i want to be able to run both systems for while
[18:43] <I_V_A_N> is it possible?
[18:43] <jpatrick> !dualboot | I_V_A_N
[18:43] <ubotu> I_V_A_N: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[18:44] <I_V_A_N> thnx!
[18:44] <Douglas_E> rofl: would that be tcp forwarding? This is all hard because my router is german.
[18:44] <rofl> yes its tcp forwarding, Douglas_E
[18:45] <Douglas_E> rofl: I think I have it. Do I need to reboot or anything to test it?
[18:45] <rofl> Douglas_E: the router should apply the setting immediately, but you have to reboot it eventually
[18:45] <Douglas_E> rofl one other question, it says private or public?
[18:46] <rofl> public for outside(WAN) access
[18:46] <rofl> you can also choose another port . i.e. port 222 forwarded to <IP_ADDRESS> port 22
[18:47] <Douglas_E> rofl: kickbutt!!! IT is working!!
[18:47] <rofl> nice
[18:48] <maduser> where do i get the java development enviroment?
[18:48] <SlimeyPete> !java
[18:48] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[18:48] <SlimeyPete> maduser: in short, "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk"
[18:49] <SlimeyPete> sorry, "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk"
[18:49] <rdw> hello. anybody big into grub? i'm trying to boot a grub.iso off a cd but the computer always loads windows before grub even shows. yes, i do have correctly setup booting priorities
[18:49] <vbgunz> whats the matter with the latest flash ugrade?
[18:50] <vbgunz> it broke across konqueror and firefox, cannot see any flash movies :/
[18:50] <maduser> now with flash you need to download it from adobe and do a manual install
[18:50] <NickPresta> !flashissues | vbgunz
[18:50] <ubotu> vbgunz: The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If that is the case for your mirror, please wait a couple of hours.
[18:51] <vbgunz> I just got a flash update, downloaded it and it broke something that wasn't broken :/
[18:51] <vbgunz> was it supposed to fix something?
[18:51] <NickPresta> vbgunz, apparently it was supposed to fix the flash plugin problem
[18:51] <ScorpKing> rdw: you boor from the hard drive and then grub loads the cd from there?
[18:52] <rdw> no. mbr has windows vista. i'm trying to recover my previous grub configuration
[18:52] <vbgunz> damn... I didn't have a problem, I heard a while back people were having problems but that was a while ago :(
[18:52] <jeisma> anyone have any tips on kubuntu to free up some ram and speed up things?
[18:52] <HristoBG> NickPresta: can u help me m8
[18:52] <NickPresta> HristoBG, what do you need help with?
[18:53] <ScorpKing> !grub | rdw
[18:53] <ubotu> rdw: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: my hard drive is on two (etc. sda1 and sda2)
[18:53] <HristoBG> on sda1 is my kubuntu
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: on sda2 i like to have movies or music or other files
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: but i dont have rights to do that
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: permission
[18:54] <rofl> chown
[18:54] <hydrogen> no
[18:54] <hydrogen> mount it as the user
[18:54] <hydrogen> !mount
[18:54] <HristoBG> NickPresta: how i can create folder or something like that its says u dont have rights to do that
[18:54] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[18:54] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how
[18:54] <hydrogen> look at what ubotu just told ye!
[18:54] <rdw> cheers. hope it works
[18:54] <NickPresta> HristoBG, you need to mount your partition with read/write permissions.
[18:54] <HristoBG> ok ok 10nx :)
[18:54] <HristoBG> i will check it out
[18:55] <rofl> 10x ? nice
[18:55] <hydrogen> you forgot the n
[18:55] <HristoBG> i do not :)
[18:55] <rofl> it should work without it as well
[18:56] <HristoBG> ok in system settings advanced disk and file systems
[18:56] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: FPManager v<IP_ADDRESS> is program which windows use
[18:56] <HristoBG> its mount in media/sda2
[18:57] <HristoBG> hydrogen: the linux says its already mounted in /media/sda2
[18:57] <rofl> then umount it and mount it again with R/W enabled
[18:58] <rofl> if its ntfs, use ntfs-3g
[18:58] <HristoBG> in the console to mount and unmount right
[18:58] <niall> how do I start mysql?
[18:58] <HristoBG> i am new in linux
[18:58] <rofl>  /etc/init.d/mysql start
[18:59] <rofl> HristoBG: what filesystem does your harddisk have
[18:59] <niall> permission denied, should I sudo it? :z
[18:59] <HristoBG> rofl:  xt3
[18:59] <HristoBG> ext3
[18:59] <rofl> niall: sure
[19:00] <HristoBG> rofl: ext3 :)
[19:00] <rofl> HristoBG: mmh ok
[19:01] <rofl> should be umount /media/sda2 & mount -t ext3 /media/sda2
[19:01] <hydrogen> no
[19:01] <hydrogen> that won't work
[19:01] <HristoBG> unmount
[19:01] <hydrogen> no
[19:01] <HristoBG> wrong :P
[19:01] <HristoBG> its says not found
[19:02] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: all i can find sugests that its a prop encryption method so it cant be used under linux, i take it wine didnt work because of driver stuff? id look for OSS eqivelent but the hardware looks wierd so it might be unusable
[19:02] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how then ?
[19:02] <naftilos76_> hi to everyone!
[19:02] <HristoBG> hi
[19:02] <naftilos76_> just got straight from fedora 8!
[19:02] <HristoBG> nice :)
[19:03] <naftilos76_> so...
[19:03] <naftilos76_> has anybody got a clue how i can type accents ?
[19:03] <naftilos76_> language is greek
[19:03] <naftilos76_> i can write it
[19:04] <HristoBG> what
[19:04] <HristoBG> u want to
[19:04] <naftilos76_> but i can't write accents!
[19:04] <HristoBG> wright on greek
[19:04] <naftilos76_> shall i repeat?
[19:04] <rofl> on windows you could do ALT-GR + ascii code
[19:04] <HristoBG> iaso :P
[19:04] <hydrogen> mm, I'm not sure how the how the language stuff works that well as I don't use it
[19:04] <hydrogen> I'm sure theres documentation about it
[19:04] <hydrogen> and I know its possible
[19:04] <HristoBG> ti kanis natfilos76
[19:05] <hydrogen> but I don't quite know the answer :)
[19:05] <hydrogen> !greek
[19:05] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[19:05] <HristoBG> sorry
[19:05] <hydrogen> maybe ask there?
[19:05] <hydrogen> dunno if it'll work
[19:05] <naftilos76_> no problem
[19:05] <naftilos76_> ela kanenas apo eladaaaaaaaaaaaa
[19:05] <HristoBG> what
[19:05] <NickPresta> !english
[19:05] <HristoBG> i know only ti kanis ( how do u do )
[19:05] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[19:05] <HristoBG> :)
[19:06] <rofl> !russian
[19:06] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[19:06] <HristoBG> !bulgarian
[19:06] <naftilos76_> that's a start!
[19:06] <HristoBG> :P
[19:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulgarian - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:06] <rofl> nice a unicode irc client
[19:06] <trappist> anybody know of a good tool to go through a collection of audio files and automatically reencode files encoded above a certain sample rate?  I have some way-too-big mp3s.
[19:06] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how to unmount
[19:07] <NickPresta> trappist, I don't know of a GUI application but you can combine some simple bash scripting and `mencoder`.
[19:07] <naftilos76_> Kanenas kalos pou na milaei Elinikaaaa?
[19:07] <NickPresta> naftilos76_, this is an English only channel. Thanks.
[19:07] <trappist> NickPresta: I'm not afraid of the console, but what would I use to detect the sample rate of the existing files?
[19:07] <naftilos76_> sorry....getting out NOW!
[19:07] <trappist> NickPresta: keeping in mind I have mp3, mp4, flac, ogg, etc.
[19:08] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: okay..thanks. must boot to XP when need stick.
[19:09] <rofl> trappist: try wine with foobar 2000
[19:09] <trappist> rofl: looks promising-ish
[19:10] <rofl> watcha mean ?
[19:10] <hydrogen> emm
[19:10] <trappist> rofl: I mean, it could work
[19:10] <hydrogen> thats kind of a crazy way to do it
[19:10] <rofl> yes, i think so
[19:10] <The_ManU_212> hi
[19:10] <hydrogen> try uhh, transkode
[19:11] <hydrogen> I think it can do that
[19:11] <Xbehave> vmware is an option, im abit coFPManager, confused by the wine situation
[19:11] <hydrogen> not sure how well the filtering works, but worth a try
[19:11] <rofl> foobar is relatively straight-forward coded and doesnt use much winapi
[19:11] <Xbehave> doh stupid middle click "vmware is an option, im abit confused by the wine situation"
[19:11] <hydrogen> right, but its not the smartest way to go about doing it
[19:11] <hydrogen> when there are native applications that can do the same thing
[19:12] <The_ManU_212> i still use edgy and today i got a kernel update, i used adept and all ran normal as everytime but it crashed when i should get the popup for dist-upgrade
[19:12] <rofl> sure, but you have to know em and they have to be good
[19:12] <hydrogen> right
[19:12] <The_ManU_212> then i opened manually adept and ran apt-get update, i think all is installed fine
[19:12] <The_ManU_212> is that right?
[19:12] <trappist> rofl: looks like foobar is gonna require some wine hackery.  it instantly complains I'm not on XP
[19:12] <hydrogen> suggesting that people use win apps in wine for all of their needs gives a good case for just using windows
[19:13] <trappist> hydrogen: apt-cache search transkode doesn't come up with anything
[19:13] <Creationist> I'm trying to compile a Qt app by source, but get this error when running make: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7).  How can I fix this?
[19:13] <hydrogen> !search transkode
[19:13] <ubotu> Found:
[19:13] <Xbehave> trappist: set the windows version to xp should work
[19:13] <hydrogen> trappist: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37669
[19:13] <rofl> and you should use the zipped version w/o installer
[19:14] <hydrogen> Creationist: you need to use qt4 rather than qt3
[19:14] <hydrogen> probably some update-alternatives foo
[19:14] <Xbehave> hydrogen: honesty suggests letting them make thier own mind up its not my job to sell ubuntu to them, if foobar is the best tool for the job then using it under wine is my recomendation
[19:14] <hydrogen> its trying to use uic3 to create a file from ui4
[19:14] <hydrogen> Xbehave: but who knows if it _is_ the best tool for the job
[19:14] <hydrogen> its the familiar tool, but if you are after familiarity then stay on windows
[19:14] <Creationist> hydrogen: Really?  Looks like it wants me to use 3 instead of 4.  Either way, how do I fix it?
[19:14] <brad_> oh hi
[19:15] <brad_> the ati driver install seems to think I'm running xorg 1.3.0
[19:15] <brad_> what gives?
[19:16] <Xbehave> who knows if anything is the best tool, vi vs emacs, i reomend what i know
[19:16] <rofl> brad, theres a script called ati.rb, use it to install the driver
[19:16] <brad_> how can i get my X version ?
[19:16] <trappist> there's also envy
[19:16] <trappist> brad_: X -version
[19:17] <hydrogen> Xbehave: then why not just reccommend using windows? I assume you know it better than linux if you are more familiar with programs on windows than linux
[19:17] <brad_> it says 1.3
[19:17] <NickPresta> trappist, you still there?
[19:17] <Creationist> I know Windows a lot better than Linux.  Yet I still use and recommend Linux more often ;)
[19:17] <trappist> brad_: I believe that's version 1.3 of the protocol, not the software
[19:18] <trappist> NickPresta: I think so, what's up
[19:18] <Creationist> I just keep Windows for gaming and video editing... neither of which is possible with Linux (at least not useful)
[19:18] <Creationist> I'm trying to compile a Qt app by source, but get this error when running make: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7).  How can I fix this?
[19:19] <NickPresta> trappist, http://pastebin.ca/894176 that uses mplayer to get information from audio/video files. You can use awk/grep/whatever to extract the information for rate comparison and such.
[19:19] <Xbehave> hydrogen: because i know about linux, if i only recomend a wine app if dont know of any stable linux tools, it has nothing to do with familiarity
[19:19] <rofl> Creationist: you have to install qt54
[19:19] <rofl> qt4
[19:19] <trappist> NickPresta: hey that's a pretty good start, thanks
[19:19] <Xbehave> *...i only recomend a wine app if...
[19:19] <Creationist> rofl: You happen to know exactly which package I need?  apt has  TON of different qt4 packages
[19:19] <brad_> trappist: I'll buy that
[19:19] <emilymare> webcam
[19:19] <brad_> I'm looking for the ati.rb
[19:19] <NickPresta> trappist, I used it when I wanted to get all files in my audio folder with a bitrate of 320kbps or higher.
[19:20] <hydrogen> hmm
[19:20] <rofl> brad_: look in google
[19:20] <hydrogen> it looks like its using uic4 but trying to compile with qt3.. actually
[19:20] <rofl> Creationist: wait a sec
[19:20] <hydrogen> which suggests.. interesting things
[19:20] <emilymare> hey does anybody of you now how i can make a webcam conversation with kmess
[19:20] <rofl> i think its qt4-core and qt4-dev
[19:21] <emilymare> ??
[19:21] <Creationist> rofl: libqt4-core and -dev, actually ;).  Thank you.
[19:21] <rofl> Creationist: yep :)
[19:21] <naftilos76_> Has anybody got any idea how i can type letters with accents? My language is greek? Anybody?
[19:22] <rofl> naftilos76_: ask in the greek channel
[19:22] <Creationist> geez... 96mb for qt4?
[19:22] <Creationist> naftilos76_: Look at the localization options.
[19:22] <Creationist> ~gr
[19:22] <Creationist> !gr
[19:22] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[19:22] <naftilos76_> checked all of that...
[19:22] <naftilos76_> many thanks!
[19:24] <hydrogen> !skim
[19:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:24] <naftilos76_> there is not a single sole in #kubuntu-gr....i guess they all turned windian...!
[19:24] <hydrogen> !scim
[19:24] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[19:24] <hydrogen> hmm
[19:24] <hydrogen> guess not
[19:24] <hydrogen> that won't help you :)
[19:25] <rofl> Creationist: i had to compile the whole qt4 from source, took around 4 hours on 3 ghz
[19:25] <hydrogen> mm
[19:25] <hydrogen> doesn't take me that long
[19:25] <hydrogen> and I'm compiling webkit at the same time
[19:25] <hydrogen> >_<
[19:26] <rofl> well actually i went to sleep after 2 hours... maybe it wsa even longer
[19:26] <rofl> and, its an amd
[19:26] <rofl> :)
[19:26] <n1tro> hi dudes, i was just thinking that if i need somekind of sound drivers or something for kubuntu?
[19:26] <n1tro> because other people have difficulties to here my voice in teamspeak
[19:26] <naftilos76_> can anybody please help me get back my old nick which is <naftilos76>? i can't understand how-to from the <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup>
[19:27] <n1tro> *ehar
[19:27] <n1tro> *hear
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> naftilos76_: you must not be registered
[19:27] <rofl> type /nick naftilos76
[19:28] <VampireKing> what were the quick key for complete name in konversation?
[19:28] <VampireKing> like auto-complete
[19:28] <nosrednaekim> !tab
[19:28] <rofl> tab?
[19:28] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:28] <hydrogen> I use four spaces myself
[19:28] <hydrogen> :x
[19:28] <naftilos76_> it says that it is registered!
[19:28] <rofl> hehe then youre wasted
[19:28] <naftilos76_> meaning?
[19:29] <HristoBG> how to mark as here
[19:29] <HristoBG> ?
[19:29] <rofl> you cannot change your name to that
[19:29] <VampireKing> nosrednaekim: works
[19:29] <HristoBG> not away
[19:29] <Xbehave> naftilos76_: did your conection get dropped? either theres a broken conection or somebody has stolen your name
[19:29] <hydrogen> it is a dropped connection
[19:29] <hydrogen> they come from the same ip
[19:29] <naftilos76_> there is no broken con whatsoever
[19:29] <rofl> or hes got a second client open
[19:30] <naftilos76_> and they don't come from the same ip
[19:30] <naftilos76_> i registered when i was in Greece
[19:30] <Pici> !ghost
[19:30] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[19:30] <naftilos76_> now, i am in Cyprous for good
[19:31] <hydrogen> err, they do come from the same ip
[19:31] <naftilos76_> oh, god ... what a mess
[19:31] <hydrogen> [Whois] naftilos76_ is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Manos)        [Whois] naftilos76 is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Manos,,,)
[19:31] <naftilos76_> how come?
[19:31] <hydrogen> you are connected twice good sir
[19:31] <deathoncity> please help..i have started using kubuntu 2 ours ago,i have used PCLinuxOS2007 'till now..on pclinux i was able to read the other 2 usb harddisk's ntfs format,but on this version of linux i cannot...what do i can do???
[19:31] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how to unmount sda2 :(
[19:31] <HristoBG> hydrogen: please help me
[19:32] <naftilos76_> sorry what was that? twice?
[19:32] <hydrogen> there are two of you connected
[19:32] <hydrogen> to this server
[19:32] <naftilos76_> ok....what do i do now?
[19:32] <ScorpKing> naftilos76_: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[19:32] <naftilos76_> thnks
[19:33] <ScorpKing> naftilos76_: thank Pici ;)
[19:33] <deathoncity> please help..i have started using kubuntu 2 ours ago,i have used PCLinuxOS2007 'till now..on pclinux i was able to read the other 2 usb harddisk's ntfs format,but on this version of linux i cannot...what do i can do???
[19:33] <Pici> :)
[19:33] <ScorpKing> !ntfs | deathoncity
[19:33] <ubotu> deathoncity: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[19:33] <fhd> hi. I'm wondering whether I should use apt-get dist-upgrade on a regular basis. Normaly, I don't see differences between upgrade and dist-upgrade, but with this KDE4 launchpad repository, dist-upgrade seems to be trying to install some unrelease packages which upgrade doesn't want to install. any clues?
[19:34] <ScorpKing> fhd: you should only use apt-get upgrade afaik
[19:35] <fhd> ScorpKing: well, I tend to use dist-upgrade because it seems to be updating some hold back packages which I prefer. However, I'm quite shock that it tries to actually install unreleased software
[19:35] <HristoBG> so no one will tell me how to unmount sda2 :(
[19:35] <rubikcube> hi, could someone please give me the md5 of the current kubuntu desktop (i386) cd iso image?
[19:36] <ScorpKing> fhd: it's because dist-upgrade is only to upgrade from one release to the next
[19:37] <rofl> rubikcube: that is printed on the download page
[19:37] <fhd> ScorpKing: the manpage says it has a different dependency handling. only good for distribution upgrade?
[19:37] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo umount /dev/sda2
[19:37] <HristoBG> umount ok
[19:37] <HristoBG> 10n
[19:37] <HristoBG> 10nx
[19:37] <rofl> rubikcube: for what the hell do ya need the checksum ?
[19:37] <rubikcube> rofl: I know, but I have the impression that there might be a wrong version on the site I downloaded it from
[19:37] <ScorpKing> !dist-upgrade > fhd
[19:38] <rubikcube> after a fresh install and trying to do an adept-update, it stoppen in the middle and told me it had to upgrade to 7.10 (although that's what I had installed, of course)
[19:38] <fhd> ScorpKing: thanks :D
[19:38] <ScorpKing> yw :)
[19:38] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i still have no rights to create folders in sda2 :(
[19:39] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: where to mount it ?
[19:39] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: what filesystem is it?
[19:39] <rofl> rubikcube: strange, but if you had errors on your cd, you would have had an error message at the installation
[19:39] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ext3
[19:39] <rofl> errors like crc
[19:40] <rubikcube> rofl: the cd is ok
[19:40] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: make a directory im /media for it and mount it there
[19:40] <ScorpKing> in*
[19:40] <HristoBG> a thnaks
[19:40] <rofl> rubikcube: maybe you try sudo apt-get update in a shell instead
[19:40] <rubikcube> or has there been an upgrade, like 7.10 -> (unoffical 7.10.a)?
[19:40] <rofl> rubikcube: not that i know
[19:40] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: that won't solve your permission problems btw. tell me when it's mounted
[19:41] <rubikcube> the upgrade hangs anyway, so I'll just try to update again
[19:41] <SlimeyPete> nah, there are no x.x[a-z] versions in kubuntu. 7.10 is the current version until 8.04 comes out.
[19:42] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: look
[19:42] <HristoBG> hristo@hristo-desktop:/media$ sudo mount /mnt/sda2
[19:42] <HristoBG> mount: can't find /mnt/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[19:43] <HristoBG> i create dir mnt in media
[19:43] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/<your_dir>
[19:43] <rofl> HristoBG: isnt it in /media/sda2
[19:43] <HristoBG> 10nx :)
[19:43] <rubikcube> so I'll just try and update only the kernel + apt/adept first...
[19:43] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: done :)
[19:44] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: now what
[19:44] <doilgheas> hi how can i start tomcat as user (without sudo)  and how can i start tomcat without the security manager? i've kubuntu 7.10 and tomcat5.5
[19:44] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /media/sda2/
[19:44] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: done
[19:44] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: try it now
[19:45] <HristoBG> aaaaaaaa
[19:45] <HristoBG> thank youuuuuuuu
[19:45] <HristoBG> :)
[19:45] <rubikcube> other strange thing was that in the live cd part of the install cd, the help page (on the very first install screen) directed to some 7.10 beta page, but I guess that's just something that people forgot to change for the final release
[19:45] <HristoBG> now i am going to watch North Ireland - Bulgaria !! GO GO BULGARIAAA :P
[19:45] <HristoBG> bye for now
[19:45] <HristoBG> and 10nx again
[19:45] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: add '/dev/sda2      /media/sda2           ext3    defaults        0       0' to /etc/fstab
[19:46] <HristoBG> a
[19:46] <HristoBG> ok
[19:46] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: that will mount it at boot.
[19:46] <HristoBG> now ists
[19:46] <HristoBG> its >
[19:46] <ScorpKing> :)
[19:46] <HristoBG> what to wright now ?
[19:46] <HristoBG> its not
[19:47] <HristoBG> hristo @hristo desktop --- >
[19:47] <HristoBG> its
[19:47] <HristoBG> >
[19:47] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: Thanks for the link, I have found the sollution. Azureus wasn't at fault here. There's a bug in icedtea-java7 for i86-64 that caused the azureus crashes
[19:47] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: if you don't add a line in fstab for it you'll have to mount it everytime you restart the computer
[19:50] <sd132> help, I had some updates, ran the updater but the updater  icon didnt go away?
[19:50] <naftilos76> If i may... when mounting a samba share (a hard disk connected to a wireless router ) what would the related fstab entry look like?
[19:51] <rubikcube> hmm, where does adept-updater write its logs to (if at all)?
[19:52] <rofl>  /var/log/apt
[19:52] <Creationist> I'm trying to compile a Qt app by source, but get this error when running make: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7).  How can I fix this?  I've installed qt4, but that didn't help.
[19:53] <stdin> Creationist: looks like it's a Qt 3 app, not a Qt 4 one
[19:53] <jack_spratt> kubuntu 7.10 wont work with my inspiron 1100 intel 845 video chipset
[19:54] <sd132> it still shows 11 updates that wont update
[19:54] <jack_spratt> i doubt itll make any difference but im testing ubuntu now too just in case
[19:54] <rubikcube> rofl: hmm, I've looked there already, but it didn't seem to write everything there... anyway, I'll try to reproduce the segfaults....
[19:54] <smeril> another process is using adapt i cant start it and i get a crash message aswell there is some easy command to fix this i have forgot
[19:54] <jack_spratt> can anyone help with this chipset and the drivers
[19:54] <naftilos76> in order to mount a samba share???? fstab entry???
[19:55] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix |  smeril
[19:55] <ubotu> smeril: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:55] <Creationist> stdin: That's what I thought, but several people told me it needs qt4, so I installed that.  But how do I tell it to compile with qt3?
[19:55] <stdin> naftilos76: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[19:55] <naftilos76> ok
[19:56] <stdin> Creationist: you'd use qmake-qt3 instead of just qmake
[19:56] <sd132> is the update broken?
[19:56] <Creationist> stdin: I've been using just make
[19:56] <stdin> Creationist: qmake should regenerate the Makefile
[19:57] <Creationist> stdin: Is this an error I can fix?        " WARNING: Found potential symbol conflict of dboxfe.cpp (src/dboxfe.cpp) in SOURCES"
[19:57] <stdin> Creationist: got a link to it? so I can have a look
[19:57] <smeril> it dosent work
[19:58] <naftilos76> Thanks <stdin> for the tip - great example!
[19:58] <jack_spratt> INTEL 845 VIDEO CHIPSET anyone EVER seen this work?????
[19:58] <Creationist> stdin: http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1968&release_id=12366  I have the 0.1.3 source
[19:58] <stdin> jack_spratt: don't SHOUT, 845 works on my server yeah
[19:59] <jack_spratt> stdin; ok, is the video working with anything except VESA?
[19:59] <Creationist> jack_spratt: My friend has the 845... worked flawlessly for her.
[19:59] <rofl> Creationist: why dontcha use the .deb file ?
[19:59] <sd132> nothing wil drive you crazier than updates that wont update
[20:00] <jack_spratt> Creationist: well Ive never seen this evil damned sh|tty chip work without a bios hack
[20:00] <stdin> jack_spratt: it works with the i810 driver and the intel one
[20:00] <root> hi i just installed kubuntu 7.10 then befor update anything i installed kde4. when i restarted my pc everythung now comes in text mode i cannt see any gui of kde4 i cannt login to the kde3 all in  text mode . i tried to alt+f8 i got this message/etc/rc2.d/s99kdm:75:genkdmconf-kde4:not found now how to get gui for kde4 or the kde3 i dont care i just cannt deal with text mode
[20:00] <sd132> well guess a restart couldnt hurt
[20:00] <Creationist> rofl: it's an older version.  Besides, I did try that and it gave an error too.
[20:01] <jack_spratt> stdin: Ok, well nomatter what distro I use or how, those drivers dont work for me. ever. period. I'd really appreciate some help before i shoot myself.
[20:01] <rofl> root: try startx command
[20:01] <Creationist> rofl: I'd be okay with an older version if it was 4 years old ;)
[20:01] <sd132> guess ill ask in #ubuntu
[20:01] <Creationist> wasn't*
[20:01] <rofl> lol
[20:01] <jack_spratt> stdin: pclos 2007, 2008, kubuntu, mandriva 2008, elive...etc etc, none work
[20:01] <mneptok> !root > root
[20:02] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: are u here
[20:02] <ScorpKing> yes
[20:02] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: so i wright
[20:02] <jack_spratt> stdin: old ios hack worked, nothing else, xor driver freezes it every time without fail.
[20:02] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: add '/dev/sda2      /media/sda2           ext3    defaults        0       0' to /etc/fstab
[20:02] <root> i tried to go in recovery mode and typed startx and it worked then i tried to run dpkg-reconfigure kdm  but still the same proplem
[20:03] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: yes. without the '
[20:03] <stdin> jack_spratt: check for errors in the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:03] <HristoBG> axaxa
[20:03] <HristoBG> op
[20:03] <HristoBG> and now
[20:03] <HristoBG> in the console
[20:03] <HristoBG> isni hristo@hristo-desktop
[20:03] <ScorpKing> !enter > HristoBG
[20:03] <HristoBG> its only >
[20:03] <HristoBG> ok sry
[20:03] <rofl> root: maybe apt-get install kubuntu-desktop does the job. remove it first though
[20:03] <stdin> Creationist: did you run ./configure ?
[20:03] <HristoBG> is this allright
[20:04] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok. im rebooting (again)
[20:04] <Creationist> stdin: Yes.  I get that error in ./configure as well.
[20:04] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: you want to edit fstab?
[20:04] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: you told me to do
[20:04] <HristoBG> but did i did it ?
[20:04] <root> sorry how to remove it im new in linux sorry
[20:04] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[20:04] <rofl> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:05] <rofl> or sudo apt-get remove kdm
[20:05] <sd132> hmm, i wonder why the updater says i have updates but wont update them...hmmm
[20:05] <root> ok i did removed it what to do now?
[20:06] <rofl> now install it
[20:06] <stdin> Creationist: can you pastebin the output of ./configure then?
[20:06] <rofl> same command but install instead of remove
[20:06] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: then wha to do its text file #uid something
[20:06] <rofl> and do apt-get update
[20:06] <root> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:06] <rofl> yes, with sudo
[20:06] <root> ok
[20:07] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: you have to add that line in that file. go to the bottom and write it there
[20:07] <HristoBG> aa 10nx
[20:07] <root> but there is small proplem it need the kubuntu cd i dont have it right now?
[20:07] <rofl> ahh
[20:08] <Creationist> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55014/
[20:08] <root> could i make it download for repos?
[20:08] <rofl> root: type "sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list", then remove the line taht starts with cdrom://, then press CTRL-X
[20:08] <rofl> and Y
[20:09] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i add it on the 10nd role
[20:09] <sd132> vetry strange. none  of my updaters work
[20:09] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: now save it
[20:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok so i booted up again and straight into cli
[20:10] <stdin> Creationist: ahh, I see now, you should do "sudo update-alternatives --config qmake" and select /usr/bin/qmake-qt4
[20:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: if i startx then itll freeze requiring hard reset
[20:10] <HristoBG> i save it but when i go to system setting  advanced panel drive i filesystem
[20:10] <HristoBG> its says cannot load look if u made some changes or updates
[20:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: presumably x has already failed though so there should be logs to see...?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: can you pastebin /etc/fstab plz?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> !paste > HristoBG
[20:11] <HristoBG> here ?
[20:11] <HristoBG> a ok
[20:11] <stdin> jack_spratt: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:11] <HristoBG> but what was the comman kate ?
[20:11] <Creationist> stdin: Hmm... that seems to have done it ;)
[20:11] <gregor_> hmm can i install KDE 4.0.1 on Kubuntu 7.10?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: kate is a text editor
[20:11] <Creationist> stdin: There's no way I would have figured that out even with Google.  Thank you.
[20:11] <HristoBG> yes what was the command ksudo ot what ?
[20:12] <NickPresta> Has anyone had any trouble with the newest flash update? I was unaffected by the flash bug...
[20:12] <jack_spratt> stdin:permission denied, whats the root password for livecd?
[20:12] <ScorpKing> !kdesudo > HristoBG
[20:12] <|test|> german channel for kubuntu
[20:12] <root> ok i removed it and  i tried to run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop i got this mesage
[20:12] <root> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:12] <rubikcube> I think what I just experienced is this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/174079
[20:12] <root> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:12] <|test|> ?
[20:12] <NickPresta> !de | |test|
[20:12] <Taras> i need halp with screen options
[20:12] <ubotu> |test|: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:12] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix | root
[20:12] <ubotu> root: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:12] <acee1234> why cant i write to my windows ntfs drive from 7.10?
[20:13] <ScorpKing> !ntfs-3g > acee1234
[20:13] <SlimeyPete> acee1234: should be able to, with ntfs-3g
[20:13] <stdin> Creationist: it took reading the configure script to figure out what it was doing, it only used qmake-qt4 when qmake wasn't found, but it's a link to qmake-qt3 on your system.
[20:13] <Agent_bob> !NTFS | acee1234
[20:13] <ubotu> acee1234: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[20:13] <jack_spratt> ? password
[20:13] <rofl> root: you have to run "sudo apt-get update" first
[20:13] <stdin> jack_spratt: there is no password, just use sudo
[20:13] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55018/
[20:13] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i think its this
[20:14] <root> ok i'll do it
[20:14] <jack_spratt> stdin: why cant I su to root then without a password?
[20:14] <Taras> i need to run my CRT at 1920x1200 and at 85Hz
[20:14] <Taras> and i dont know how
[20:14] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: hehe. it is already in there. remove the line you added again
[20:14] <stdin> jack_spratt: you use "sudo -i" to get to a root shell
[20:14] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ok 10nx :)
[20:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok
[20:15] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: its now ok ?
[20:15] <Taras> its at 1280x1024 and 61 hz
[20:15] <Taras> its painful
[20:15] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  ntfs-3g is installed
[20:15] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: if you removed and saved it yes. try sudo mount /media/sda2
[20:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: what?! even as root permission still denied
[20:15] <rofl> Taras:  same here ;) you need to configure your screen first and use a driver other than vesa
[20:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: hows that?
[20:15] <stdin> jack_spratt: what are you getting permission denied on?
[20:16] <HristoBG> i think its mounted
[20:16] <jack_spratt> stdin: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:16] <ScorpKing> acee1234: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/<disk> /<mountpoint>
[20:16] <Taras> ok, what driver should i use? and how do i configure the screen?
[20:16] <jack_spratt> stdin: even as root (?!)
[20:16] <rofl> Taras: use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then when it comes to the screen settings use expert mode
[20:16] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo umount /dev/sda2
[20:16] <stdin> jack_spratt: use "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[20:16] <Taras> k
[20:17] <root> ok man i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and i finished
[20:17] <rofl> you have to enter the refresh rate of your screen manually, but autodetection may already filled in the correct values
[20:17] <Agent_bob> and   "man less"   if you are not familear with it.
[20:17] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: fstab should look like this now - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55019/
[20:17] <rofl> root: now startx
[20:17] <Taras> its locked or something
[20:17] <acee1234>  ScorpKing: were can i find the data to define those variables
[20:17] <Taras> also im on a live disk
[20:17] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok thanks
[20:17] <Taras> because my windows got corruped, second time this month
[20:17] <ScorpKing> acee1234: man mount
[20:18] <rofl> Taras: whats locked ?
[20:18] <jack_spratt> stdin: bingo, now what am i looking for?
[20:18] <root> im in it i already in startx in recovery consol
[20:18] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ok i umount how to mount now in media/mnt :)
[20:18] <acee1234> ScorpKing: i meant what drive etc
[20:18] <|test|> ubotu thx
[20:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:18] <Taras> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[20:18] <rofl> root: good then, does it work ?
[20:18] <stdin> jack_spratt: lines that start with (EE) and (WW)
[20:18] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo mount /media/sda2
[20:19] <jack_spratt> stdin: btw this cli im at is in a small area of the screen, presumably because of 640x480 res due to vram bug. you know about that history right?
[20:19] <HristoBG> but i dont have rights in there
[20:19] <jack_spratt> stdin: im looking to ee and ww now thanks :)
[20:19] <HristoBG> i have permissions in /media/mnt
[20:19] <ScorpKing> acee1234: do you know what disk or partition it is and where you want to mount it?
[20:19] <Taras> 61 hz on a 24 inch screen is so painful
[20:19] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i dont have permission in there i have in /media/mnt
[20:19] <jack_spratt> stdin: cyrillic font does neot exist (WW)
[20:19] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: how to mount it there
[20:19] <acee1234> ScorpKing: only the name "Trans"
[20:19] <val0> anyone here using mutt to check gmail?
[20:20] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: it will not mount in /media/mnt
[20:20] <root> look when i log in regular i got this proplem but if i go to recovery consol and type startx i got the graphical interface if i restart i went to textmode again
[20:20] <stdin> jack_spratt: it's more the (EE) ones, warnings about fonts aren't fatal
[20:20] <rofl> Taras: reboot and try the command then
[20:20] <jack_spratt> stdin: AHAH, heres the little bugg3r
[20:20] <acee1234> ScorpKing: /dev/sda3
[20:20] <Taras> reboot the live disk?
[20:20] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: but i cannot create folders now in sda2
[20:20] <rofl> root: but now it should run also in default mode
[20:21] <jack_spratt> stdin: its the same error i often get on other distros, "detecting sil164"
[20:21] <jack_spratt> stdin: please please tell me you know what that means
[20:21] <root> ok i'll restart and see ok
[20:21] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /media/sda2/
[20:21] <ScorpKing> acee1234: where do you want to mount it?
[20:21] <Agent_bob> rolf 'reboot' ?     fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[20:21] <rofl> Taras: ah now i understand, you use the cd
[20:21] <jack_spratt> stdin: "unable to read from DV0I2C_E Slaev 236"
[20:21] <rofl> well...then you cannot do much about it
[20:21] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ok 10nx m8
[20:22] <jack_spratt> stdin: *slave
[20:22] <Taras> yeah, i just need an OS while windows is corrupted
[20:22] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: yw :)
[20:22] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: if i have problems i will right ;)
[20:22] <HristoBG> bye bye for now
[20:22] <ScorpKing> cheers
[20:22] <acee1234> ScorpKing: i guess were i see it mounted now under media
[20:22] <Taras> im trying to make a partition to intall it though
[20:22] <jack_spratt> stdin: "unable to read from DV0I2C_E Slave 112"
[20:22] <jack_spratt> stdin: i think those 3 errors are critical
[20:22] <rofl> Taras: yeah good idea. the partition resizer does work quite well
[20:22] <sd132> how do i update kde 4 files?
[20:22] <acee1234> ScorKing: its mounted under /media/trans
[20:22] <Taras> no it doesnt
[20:23] <acee1234> ScorpKing: remount with that command
[20:23] <lontra> what's the difference between the ppa kde3 packages and the standard ones in kubuntu?
[20:23] <Taras> gave me an error, it said: !
[20:23] <ScorpKing> acee1234: did you read any of the links ubotu gave you?
[20:23] <jack_spratt> stdin: please comment, nobody in a variety of channels/forums has been able to give advice on those errors so far, I really hope that you cab
[20:23] <jack_spratt> *n
[20:23] <ScorpKing> acee1234: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda3 /media/<mountpoint>
[20:23] <rofl> Taras: just "!" ?
[20:23] <Taras> yes
[20:23] <acee1234> ScoepKing: only got one and i skimmed over it
[20:23] <stdin> jack_spratt: try using "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" and selecting the i810 driver
[20:23] <Taras> i took a screenshot
[20:24] <sd132> is it safe to run  kde 3 and 4 on  the same system?
[20:24] <rofl> stdin: what does -phigh do ?
[20:24] <ScorpKing> acee1234: what does mount say?
[20:24] <lontra> sd132: yes in kubuntu
[20:24]  * lontra is on kde4
[20:24] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok will do, one minute
[20:24] <stdin> rofl: sets the debconf priority to high, limits the questions asked
[20:24] <Agent_bob> rofl -p priority
[20:24] <sd132> lontra, weel it dosent work for me
[20:24] <rofl> thx
[20:24] <lontra> sd132: did you follow instructions at www.kubuntu.org?
[20:25] <|test|> can anybody help me pls
[20:25] <|test|> need informations
[20:25] <acee1234> ScorpKing: that it isnt ntfs
[20:25] <sd132> lontra: yes and the updater has kde 4 files that it wont update
[20:25] <tekteen> !ask | |test|
[20:25] <ubotu> |test|: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:25] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:25] <lontra> sd132: did you install kde4-core?
[20:26] <acee1234> ScorpKing: under Disk $filesystems it shows it as "auto"
[20:26] <|test|> where can i get this packages
[20:26] <Taras> WTF it asks for a passowrd on a live  disk
[20:26] <ScorpKing> acee1234: where is that?
[20:26] <sd132> lontra: it runs just fine just started not updating the files
[20:26] <tekteen> |test|: which package?
[20:26] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:26] <|test|> this
[20:26] <tekteen> |test|: what language do you speak?
[20:26] <lontra> sd132: maybe it's b/c kde 4.0.1 just hit ppa
[20:26] <Agent_bob> acee1234 ?   let me see if i understand this.  "<ScorpKing> acee1234: what does mount say?" "<acee1234> ScorpKing: that it isnt ntfs"  <<<< it's mounted as something besides ntfs ?
[20:26] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  system settinging gui
[20:26] <ScorpKing> Taras: sometimes if the livecd does not boot correctly it asks for a password
[20:26] <|test|> german
[20:26] <|test|> and english
[20:26] <|test|> :P
[20:27] <sd132> lontra: ???
[20:27] <tekteen> !de
[20:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:27] <Taras> ...oyoyoy should i restart the live CD?
[20:27] <acee1234> is bob a bot?
[20:27] <stdin> no
[20:27] <ScorpKing> acee1234: you have to use ntfs-3g , not ntfs
[20:27] <lontra> sd132: kde4.0.1 just hit kubuntu and maybe there are still some kinks that need to be worked out
[20:27] <tekteen> |test|: that package is this?
[20:27] <|test|> the german are any ignorance
[20:27] <lontra> sd132: what are you trying to do just update?
[20:27] <tekteen> ok
[20:27] <tekteen> lol
[20:27] <acee1234> Agent_bob: yes
[20:27] <rofl> Taras: usually you click on install and follow the process
[20:27] <sd132> lontra: yes
[20:27] <Taras> i know
[20:28] <tekteen> |test|: which package do you want?
[20:28] <Agent_bob> acee1234 just what is it mounted as ?    vfat ?
[20:28] <Taras> its stuck on the language selection
[20:28] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: ntfs
[20:28] <acee1234> i typed sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda3 /media/trans
[20:28] <Taras> and after that i remember there was no place to make a new partition
[20:28] <|test|> again
[20:28] <|test|> this
[20:28] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:28] <sd132> lontra: and it says it has   11 updates that  just wont update
[20:28] <|test|> need this
[20:28] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:28] <tekteen> ok
[20:28] <acee1234> Agent_bob:  i dont know
[20:28] <sd132> lontra: kde 4 updates
[20:28] <rofl> Taras: you need to choose expert mode, then resize an existing partition
[20:28] <ScorpKing> !paste > |test|
[20:29] <Agent_bob> acee1234 so type "mount"  and see what it says about it
[20:29] <Taras> ok, problem is im not an expert
[20:29] <lontra> sd132: have you tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:29] <venik> I am having trouble adding a WINDOWS network drive ... Kubuntu seems blind to the drives on my WINDOWS machine
[20:29] <sd132> lontra: no, let me try that
[20:29] <rofl> Taras: it's called manual partitioning
[20:29] <venik> I tried Remote PLaces/Network
[20:29] <ScorpKing> acee1234: let Agent_bob help you. i'm going to bed. have fun ;)
[20:29] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  thank you
[20:29] <tekteen>  |test|: I have no idea. sorry
[20:29] <venik> add a network folder
[20:30] <acee1234> Agent_bob:  ok did "fdisk-l" reported it as fat 32
[20:30] <rofl> Taras: you just have to create a swap partition 1.5 times the size of you ram, and one partiotion with ext3 for /
[20:30] <biagio> hello
[20:30] <The_ManU_212> i still use edgy and today i got a kernel update, i used adept and all ran normal as everytime but it crashed when i should get the popup for dist-upgrade
[20:30] <The_ManU_212> then i opened manually adept and ran apt-get update, i think all is installed fine
[20:30] <acee1234> Agent_bob: still can write to it and see anything in windows
[20:30] <The_ManU_212> is that right?
[20:30] <Taras> ok
[20:30] <acee1234> Agent_bob: cant
[20:30] <Taras> wait
[20:30] <Taras> brb restarting
[20:30] <Agent_bob> acee1234 you didn't do what i said tho
[20:30] <|test|> got here a non public beta
[20:30] <|test|> usenext_4.5.6_i386.deb
[20:31] <rofl> Taras: should be about 4 gigabyte big
[20:31] <acee1234> Agent_bob: looking for missed instruction
[20:31] <|test|> and this needs this package
[20:31] <lontra> someone should update the /topic as flash is fixed now
[20:31] <sd132> lontra: it says the packages ahve been kept back and not upgraded
[20:31] <Agent_bob> acee1234 type "mount"  and show me what mount says about that fs
[20:31] <lontra> sd132: then don't force them!  just wait ... ppa isn't a full repo
[20:31] <|test|> i should test it but has try what i can
[20:31] <sd132> lontra: ok thanks for the help!!!
[20:31] <|test|> and didn´t becoma it installed correct
[20:32] <lontra> sd132: np ... just remember ppa is sort of a testing ground
[20:32] <lontra> sd132: ppa is where kde4 comes from btw
[20:32] <|test|> cuz the version who my kubuntu allows to install didn´t match the needed
[20:32] <|test|> so i think must do it manual
[20:32] <pm1> hey :)
[20:32] <acee1234> Agent_bob: http://pastebin.com/m45f58838
[20:33] <Agent_bob> looking
[20:33] <sd132> lontra: do you think i should remopve kde 4 until   its fixed?
[20:33] <jack_spratt> stdin: that command only seems to result in changing the resolution, not the driver, what am i dong wrong?
[20:33] <pm1> hey could any1 help me
[20:34] <stdin> jack_spratt: it should ask for both, if not then you'll have to try without the -phigh
[20:34] <lontra> sd132: nope ... kde4 works fine keep ... if you want to remove it and reinstall it (not sure if that would fix it) go ahead ... what i'd suggest is commenting out that line in /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment it when you want to install kde4 stuff or upgrade packages
[20:34] <lontra> sd132: er if kde4 works for you keep it .
[20:34] <pm1> stdin ... cood u tell me how to uninstall kubuntu
[20:34] <acee1234> Agent_bob: im also interested in writing to sda5 but i dont want to mess with that partition tll i figure it out on another its an encrypted partition will all my taxes email backups etc
[20:35] <rofl> pm1: just install another distribution
[20:35] <Agent_bob> acee1234 and what is the exact device/inode that you are playing with right now ?
[20:35] <stdin> pm1: remove the partition it's installed on
[20:35] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok, i scrolled to the bottom as far as i could see... ill try without phigh
[20:35] <sd132> lontra: ok thanks, it seems to cause more problems than  fix so i think i  will uninstall   it
[20:36] <acee1234> Agent_bob: the what
[20:36] <pm1> is there not a rm code
[20:36] <lontra> sd132: so uninstall it based on the instructions at www.kubuntu.org and if you want to try again later when 4.0.2 is out or whatever just reinstall ;D
[20:36] <Agent_bob> acee1234 the location of the filesystem in question
[20:36] <Agent_bob> the inode name ?
[20:37] <acee1234> /dev/sda3(fat 32) and /dev/sta5(ntfs)
[20:37] <pm1> acee1234 .. is there a rm to unistall kubuntu ?
[20:37] <Agent_bob> so  /dev/sda3
[20:37] <Agent_bob> ?
[20:37] <acee1234> pm1: acee1234 rm?
[20:37] <venik> I am having trouble adding a WINDOWS network drive ... Kubuntu seems blind to the drives on my WINDOWS machine
[20:37] <venik> add a network folder
[20:38] <acee1234> yes
[20:38] <acee1234> dev3
[20:38] <sd132> lontra:can i just uninstall the kde  4 desktop package  will that work?( thanks again for the help!!)
[20:38] <jack_spratt> stdin: its asking me about how much vram I want, and saying the i810 needs specification, what should I put in kb? in the bios on the machine its set to 8mb...
[20:38] <pm1> is therer a rm code to unistall kubuntu ?
[20:38] <acee1234> dev/sda3
[20:38] <acee1234> what is rm code
[20:38] <Agent_bob> acee1234 and it's not incripted ?
[20:38] <acee1234> sda3 is not encrypted
[20:38] <stdin> jack_spratt: you can leave it blank if you want, but 8MB is 8192KB
[20:38] <lontra> sd132: possibly uninstalling kde4-core will do it ... you might need to run sudo apt-get autoremove after and look for any kde4 packages lurking around
[20:39] <jack_spratt> stdin: you sure leaving blank is OK?
[20:39] <acee1234> Agent_bob: what is rm code?
[20:39] <Agent_bob> k   sudo mount -o uid=000 /dev/sda3 /media/sda3
[20:39] <Agent_bob> acee1234 beets me what he meant.
[20:39] <stdin> jack_spratt: I've left it blank before, but it's up to you
[20:40] <jack_spratt> stdin: youve left it blank in conjunction with i810? im just concerned to get this right thats all
[20:40] <pm1> acee1234 cood u help me unistall kubuntu ?
[20:40] <Agent_bob> acee1234 he may have been asking for a command to rm (remove/delete)   some call commands  code
[20:40] <lontra> pm1: what do you want to do with that partition just delete it?
[20:40] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, it's default is blank anyway
[20:40] <lontra> pm1: or overwrite it?
[20:40] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok done
[20:41] <Agent_bob> acee1234 you did  "sudo mount -o uid=000 /dev/sda3 /media/sda3"  ?
[20:41] <acee1234> Agent_bob: returned mount: mount point /media/sda3 does not exist
[20:41] <Agent_bob> k
[20:41] <stdin> jack_spratt: see if X works now
[20:41] <jack_spratt> stdin: use kernels framebuffer driver?
[20:41] <stdin> jack_spratt: don't use flamebuffer
[20:41] <pm1> i have xp and kubuntu n jst want ti all back to xp
[20:41] <Agent_bob> acee1234 sudo mkdir -p /media/sda3
[20:41] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok
[20:41] <acee1234> pm1: im not the guy to know, im learning the ropes sorry
[20:41] <Agent_bob> acee1234 then rerun the command
[20:42] <pm1> klkl who cood help me ?
[20:42] <IS> ?
[20:42] <acee1234> Agent_bob: no error
[20:42] <Agent_bob> pm1 what are you trying to do ?
[20:42] <jack_spratt> stdin: what res should i set, 1024?
[20:42] <pm1> unistall kubuntu n jst have xp
[20:43] <Agent_bob> acee1234 then you should be able to access your data at /media/sda3 freely
[20:43] <[ka]killer> humm im having a problem with ktorrent
[20:43] <[ka]killer> its not connecting to trackers o_o
[20:43] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah
[20:43] <jack_spratt> stdin: k
[20:43] <IS> depends on vedio card and monitor
[20:43] <bjwebb> hi
[20:43] <IS> hey
[20:43] <Agent_bob> pm1 delete the partition that linux is installed on and reinstall your windows MBR
[20:44] <acee1234> Agent_bob: ill give it a go thank you
[20:44] <pm1> how do i do tht ?:S coz it was ma mate tht installed it
[20:44] <[ka]killer> anyone else having problems with ktorrent 2.2.5?
[20:44] <IS> no
[20:44] <jack_spratt> stdin: x started, logging in via gui now...
[20:44] <Agent_bob> pm1 are you running linux or windows now ?
[20:44] <[ka]killer> >_<
[20:44] <pm1> linux
[20:45] <xst> Does anyone know an image viewer with a slideshow feature that can make a slideshow with all the contents of a directory including all its subdirs?
[20:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: im very skeptical, i dont believe its actually using the i810, its impossible surely
[20:45] <stdin> jack_spratt: why?
[20:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: if it is, then why didnt the same driver work when chosen from control panel in kde using vesa driver and instead freeze
[20:45] <Agent_bob> pm1  you reboot into windows recovery console and use the fixmbr and fdisk tools that windows provides
[20:45] <rofl> pm1: start your system with the linux livecd then start gparted and delete your linux partitions, then increase your xp partition
[20:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: whats the easiest way to check if the proper intel driver is working for sure??
[20:46] <pm1> i dont have live cd bt ?
[20:46] <Agent_bob> pm1 anytime you want to evict an os  use a different os to do it.
[20:46] <IS> no!
[20:46] <lontra> jack_spratt: this will tell you if it's using i810 -->  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep i810
[20:46] <rofl> pm1: then ask your friend to undo
[20:46] <Daisuke_Ido> or use partitionmagic to delete the linux partition and expand the windows partition, then use a windows boot cd to run fixmbr
[20:46] <IS> HELLO
[20:47] <pm1> wats partitionmagic ?
[20:47] <IS> a program
[20:47] <stdin> jack_spratt: look for a line "(II) LoadModule: "i810" " in the Xorg.0.log
[20:47] <IS> helps set a partition
[20:47] <rubikcube> pm1: is there already a windows on your box or any data you need to save?
[20:47] <pm1> no
[20:48] <Agent_bob> and do note that all the examples given above are following the "use a different os to evict an os" form
[20:48] <lontra> jack_spratt: and if you run that command that i told you -->  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep i810  ... then you can save time and answer stdin
[20:48] <IS> NO
[20:48] <rubikcube> pm1: very good, then just insert your windows CD/DVD and follow its instructions, accept when it asks whether it shall delete anything on disk
[20:48] <Agent_bob> pm1 then just insatll windows.
[20:48] <pm1> i allready got it but
[20:49] <stdin> lontra: what not just "grep i810 /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[20:49] <lontra> stdin: sure ;)
[20:49] <lontra> stdin: does the same thing
[20:49] <stdin> i810 will match a few things in the log anyway
[20:49] <Agent_bob> IS define "set a partition" ?
[20:49] <IS> :)
[20:49] <jack_spratt> stdin: i used lontra's command, 5 lines of text listed
[20:49] <IS> set up
[20:50] <Agent_bob> *parted
[20:50] <aharoon_> hi i had a proplem when i installed kde4 i was going to textmode then i solved by install kubuntu-desktop now i go to text mode then i have to run startx i want to get graphical login screen how to?? and how to install kde4 without have any troubles
[20:50] <Agent_bob> *fdisk
[20:50] <jack_spratt> stdin: which part gives the answer
[20:50] <stdin> jack_spratt: what's the 1st line?
[20:51] <jack_spratt> stdin:"loadmodule: "i810"
[20:51] <rubikcube> pm1: but?
[20:51] <stdin> jack_spratt: there's you're proof then
[20:51] <IS> i'm not answering anything
[20:51] <lontra> jack_spratt: unless you see (EE) with i810 after it you're in the clear with your video
[20:52] <Agent_bob> aharoon_  dpkg -l | grep ii | grep -E ' .dm' | cut -d' ' -f3
[20:52] <jack_spratt> stdin: so you two are sure that, since Im looking at a kde desktop and i810 driver is being used, the i810 driver is definitely working according to what I have said??
[20:52] <stdin> jack_spratt: certainly sounds like it
[20:53] <Agent_bob> aharoon_ if that shows anything    run  dpkg-reconfigure <what ever it showed here>
[20:53] <aharoon_> what is this im new to linux dont understand this
[20:53] <Daisuke_Ido> well 4.0.1 is out now
[20:53] <jack_spratt> stdin:hmmmphr
[20:53] <jeisma> when i use compiz fusion rotate cube and a window is up, it goes incredibly slow
[20:53] <jeisma> is that my graphics card or my ram?
[20:53] <jack_spratt> stdin: well, thanks a lot
[20:53] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: you're using xgl?
[20:54] <jack_spratt> stdin: why didnt the driver work before then when it was selected and run by default in the livecd bootup?
[20:54] <XceII> I just put a new mobo in, the only problem i have is muting sound, is there a way I can fix this?
[20:54] <stdin> Agent_bob: you may want ' .dm\b' there ;)
[20:54] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido i don't know
[20:54] <jack_spratt> stdin: and why doesnt it ever work with other distros in the same situation?
[20:54] <Daisuke_Ido> what graphics card, and how much ram?
[20:54]  * Agent_bob must have come at the preschool hour...
[20:54] <jeisma> no idea about graphics card and i think 512mb of ram
[20:55] <stdin> jack_spratt: probably because it tried intel first and apparently there a bug where some chipset variations get detected as something else with that driver
[20:55] <aharoon_> ok i made sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm then ut gave me choice between kdm aand kdm-kde4 i  select kdm
[20:55] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: *nod*
[20:55] <deepfreez> how know this error: kvirc: symbol lookup error: kvirc: undefined symbol: _ZN6KviSSL10globalInitEv
[20:56] <jack_spratt> stdin: is that what you think that whole "EE detecting sil_164" thing was about?
[20:56] <aharoon_> is this the only thing i have to do?? or there is another thing?
[20:56] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido so is it the graphics card or memory?
[20:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know
[20:56] <Agent_bob> stdin yeah \b   doesn't matter, he didn't even recognize it as a command string.
[20:56] <jack_spratt> stdin: because ive encountered that error message on countless other distrps too
[20:56] <Daisuke_Ido> you have no idea what kind of graphics card you have?
[20:56] <Daisuke_Ido> how did you even get compiz running?
[20:56] <Agent_bob> stdin but thanks for the heads up there.
[20:56] <stdin> jack_spratt: that seems to be some chipset it's detecting
[20:57] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: try lspci | grep VGA
[20:57] <stdin> aharoon_: try "echo /usr/bin/kdm | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager", that should force it to use kdm
[20:57] <jack_spratt> stdin: so why, when we used the same driver again having reselected it, did it not on that occasion mis detect the chipset as before??
[20:58] <stdin> jack_spratt: the default video driver for intel chipsets is the "intel" driver and, as I said, it seems to have a bug in it that the older "i810" driver does not
[20:58] <artemis> help i have a problem : i turn on my pc and the logo of kubuntu shows up , it loads up to a point and then boots sth like busy box built-in shel.how can i boot to my kubuntu kde desktop again? o_0
[20:58] <jack_spratt> stdin: so by default kubuntu selects the 'intel' made intel driver, whereas it should use the newer xorg driver
[20:59] <IS> ´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´¶´´´¶´´´´´´´´´¶´´´¶´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´
[20:59] <IS> ´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´¶´´¶¶´´´´´´´´´¶´´´¶´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´
[20:59] <artemis> help i have a problem : i turn on my pc and the logo of kubuntu shows up , it loads up to a point and then boots sth like busy box built-in shel.how can i boot to my kubuntu kde desktop again? o_0
[20:59] <jack_spratt> stdin: but the official driver has those bugs it it which makes it never work for me
[20:59] <jack_spratt> stdin:is that what youre saying?
[20:59] <stdin> jack_spratt: both the "intel" and "i810" drivers are the official drivers, but the "intel" one has support for newer chips
[21:00] <massisimo> does anyone use envy or installed graphic drivers with it?
[21:00] <Agent_bob> artemis mount the root fs from the busybox shell    or boot an older kernel/initramfs pair
[21:00] <giovannid> hi there
[21:00] <jack_spratt> stdin:so the driver im currently using is not xorg but made by intel corp?
[21:00] <XceII>  I just put a new mobo in, the only problem i have is muting sound, is there a way I can fix this?
[21:00] <giovannid> exscuse for the BIG ot... do you prefer: "everything went well" or "everything has gone all right?"
[21:01] <Agent_bob> artemis but you'll need to fix that broken initramfs  after you access the root file system
[21:01] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200                              M]
[21:01] <stdin> jack_spratt: well no, both intel and xorg make it. intel open-sourced their graphics driver a long time ago now
[21:01] <byronc> I'm debugging a Qt4 application with gdb and would like to get something more useful in backtraces than '0xb7a03c36 in QGraphicsSimpleTextItem::paint () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4'  Can I use the libqt4-debug package to do this?
[21:01] <aharoon_> i run echo /usr/bin/kdm the resul is /usr/bin/kdm then i run  sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager and it dont show anything and it seems like it hungs it didnt goto new line
[21:01] <giovannid> no one her can speak english? :)
[21:02] <giovannid> here
[21:02] <jack_spratt> stdin:so its a collaborative project between intel and xorg, or it is by xorg based on a modification of intel corps
[21:02] <stdin> aharoon_: no, paste the whole command in, including the | character
[21:02] <stdin> aharoon_: "echo /usr/bin/kdm | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager"
[21:02] <artemis> Agent_bob: i am a n00b. how can i mount the root fs from the busybox - shell?
[21:03] <jack_spratt> stdin:because in other channels its usually referred to as either 'the intel driver' which i assume means intel corp made it, or its 'the xorg driver' which means its newer and made by xorg
[21:03] <aharoon_> ok it gives me /usr/bin/kdm
[21:03] <stdin> jack_spratt: well intel pays developers to work on it with the unpaid developers, all the code is open to all though
[21:03] <IS> lol i like fish
[21:03] <stdin> aharoon_: good, that's what it should
[21:03] <n1tro> i guess it's impossible to get that divx plugin for firefox with linux?
[21:04] <n1tro> so i can watch videos in stage6 and stuff
[21:04] <aharoon_> ok if i restart now do i get the login graphical screen or i get textmode and i have to type startx
[21:04] <Agent_bob> artemis depends on what the exact error is.  may only need to insert a module   or may need to create a device node and insert more than one module.   but that's really not for beginners.   easier to boot an older kernel   or a live cd and fix it from there.
[21:05] <jack_spratt> stdin: so there is no distinction between the official intel and the xorg foundations driver for this chipset anymore? is this collaboration a recent thing then, because up to about september a different driver was used i thought, which worked alongside the bios hack, but all that has now been replaced with newer drivers...
[21:05] <Agent_bob> artemis and you do need to file a bug report against the kernel update.
[21:06] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[21:06] <lontra> jack_spratt: i810 was a precursor to the intel driver
[21:06] <jack_spratt> so the driver im using now is the old one, but im not using it in conjunction with the bios hack...how?
[21:06] <lontra> jack_spratt: the new intel driver includes that fix
[21:07] <stdin> jack_spratt: it was always open, but the new driver dropped support for some older chipsets so those hack wern't needed and the bug that caused the need for it could be fixed
[21:07] <NetSKaVeN> where can we report bugs in Gutsy's KDE 4 packages?
[21:07] <lontra> !kde4
[21:07] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:07] <artemis> Agent_bob: and how can i do it? o_0
[21:08] <NetSKaVeN> thanks lontra
[21:08] <Agent_bob> define "it" please ?
[21:08] <jack_spratt> stdin: but this new one version contains a new set of bugs that completely cripple it as far as this chipset is concerned, great
[21:08] <stdin> NetSKaVeN: you can, but you should report them to bugs.kde.org too
[21:08] <aharoon_>  ok if i restart now do i get the login graphical screen or i get textmode and i have to type startx
[21:09] <stdin> jack_spratt: you're the 1st person I've seen with that problem, what exactly does "lspci | grep VGA" show?
[21:09] <NetSKaVeN> stdin: yeah, but I don't know if the bug is KDE problem or Kubuntu problem
[21:09] <stdin> NetSKaVeN: what is it?
[21:09] <NetSKaVeN> a lot  xD
[21:10] <stdin> give me an example and I can give you an idea of if it's upstream or not
[21:10] <NetSKaVeN> mmm
[21:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: 82845g/gl[brookdale-g]/ge cehipset (rev 03)
[21:10] <NetSKaVeN> kopete's msn display offline here but I'm online, for example
[21:10] <jack_spratt> stdin:(thats paraphrased
[21:10] <jack_spratt> )
[21:11] <stdin> NetSKaVeN: upstream
[21:11] <artemis> Agent_bob: thanks for the help..i will do what you said xD hope i will do it right xD bb
[21:11] <lontra> NetSKaVeN: unless it's a packaging bug it's upstream
[21:11] <NetSKaVeN> ok, I will investigate the kde bugs then
[21:11] <NetSKaVeN> thanks for the info
[21:11] <jack_spratt> stdin:so the driver that im using and that works now is the old driver that i had working before the new ones came and messed it all up - this is just the old driver that i used to use with the bios hack, but without the hack this time?
[21:12] <stdin> jack_spratt: my server has "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)", seems the "/ge" is the only difference
[21:12] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, it's the driver that was used before "intel" became default"
[21:13] <stdin> jack_spratt: you should probably report the bug on launchpad (now you have a working system)
[21:13] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i have finally taken my first step into the world of the gimp
[21:13] <Daisuke_Ido> not the worst thing i've ever touched
[21:14] <Daisuke_Ido> however, it's no photoshop
[21:14] <jack_spratt> stdin: no i got the ge, i listed it - or which ge? seems theyre the same to me
[21:15] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, they are the same, the case made me think it was different for a sec.
[21:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: im still not completely sure how this old driver is working without the bios hack now, before when i used this driver (as it seems to be the same one) i had to use that hack (sorry im a bit slow, i still dont understand this et)
[21:15] <jack_spratt> *y
[21:15] <jack_spratt> stdin:so we have the same chipset exactly, but mine doesnt work and yours does
[21:16] <stdin> jack_spratt: the driver usually works without the hack, but higher video modes will need it
[21:16] <jack_spratt> stdin:so ill still need the hack in certain circumstances with this driver?
[21:17] <stdin> as far as I know, I still use it to get 1280x1024 on my server
[21:18] <stdin> you should report the issue here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+filebug and attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (that'll be the where the log got moved when you started X again)
[21:18] <Xbehave> i have compiz working most stuff runs fine,but alt-F2 sometimes comes up completly blank
[21:20] <jack_spratt> stdin:ok i will when i feel i have a good enough grasp
[21:21] <jack_spratt> stdin:this is a cross distro problem for me though so im very anxious to understand how to fix the problem as you have just don on other distros; apart from anything else in my search for a solution to this problem over the last few months live picked up several others with the same problem. are we saying then that the fix is simply to use the old driver, say, the one kubuntu currently includes on its livecd?
[21:22] <Xbehave> if i manage to blindly stab the options button it works and everythings fine
[21:23] <stdin> jack_spratt: the workaround is to use the old driver, the fix should be done upstream (by x.org) in the intel driver so you don't have to use the old driver
[21:23] <jeisma> howq do i know if its my graphics card or my ram that sucks when compizfusion goes slow
[21:23] <jeisma> i try and rotate the cube when i have windows up and its slow
[21:23] <jeisma> without windows, its fast
[21:24] <artur_> Is there anyway to install the Sodipodi using the apt-get? Some repository to add?  I was trying to compile, but every ./configure tried, a problem was reported.
[21:24] <jeisma> windows being firefox, terminal, etc
[21:24] <jeisma> or is it my processor?
[21:25] <Xbehave> jeisma im not sure but if youve got swap usage it normally means that its ram you could do with, to find out type free in a terminal
[21:25] <jack_spratt> stdin:fair enough, but this is first time ive seen this workaround work, and TBH its not much of a work around the way i see it as the i810 driver is included with kubuntu by default, unlike most other distros it seems, which ship only one 'intel' driver. in PCLOS for instance the intel i810 driver, which should refer to the driver im currently using, us just a simlink back to the new 'xorg' intel driver, so you have to get a copy of the real i810 driver
[21:25] <jack_spratt>  from elsewhere, but even when you do, and replace the intel driver thats installed by default, or even replace it completely, it still doesnt work nomatter what you do
[21:26] <jeisma> Xebhave ok so i typed in free, how do i know whats goin on?
[21:26] <jeisma> Mem::        449336     443388       5948
[21:26] <jeisma> total, used, free respectively
[21:27] <stdin> jack_spratt: the i810 driver is deprecated, it's marked for removal from upstream at a later date. that's why some distros don't ship it
[21:27] <jack_spratt> stdin:i accept that but the new one dont work which causes hell when the old one is awol
[21:28] <MarcC> how do I revert to the last version of the Flash plugin?
[21:28] <stdin> jack_spratt: which is why it needs to be reported
[21:28] <jack_spratt> stdin:is the i810 driver im now using constituted in a single .ko file?
[21:28] <stdin> MarcC: short answer: you can't
[21:28] <tekteen> MarcC: You can install flash on firefox
[21:28] <MarcC> stdin: no kidding? I'm using the latest plugin and CPU use is thru the roof
[21:28] <tekteen> lol
[21:29] <MarcC> I mean, I installed this one myself
[21:29] <tekteen> ok
[21:29] <stdin> jack_spratt: it's a xorg driver, not a .ko "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so"
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> time to install ff3
[21:29] <Xbehave> jeisma is there no line called swap?
[21:30] <jack_spratt>  stdin:so the driver that works is a single .so file?
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i think this problem has been diagnosed more than once now
[21:31] <MrRoland> is kde4 instaled by default in kubuntu ?
[21:31] <MarcC> no
[21:31] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, it's loaded directly by xorg
[21:31] <whyhankee> hi all, small question, on launchpad, subscribing to a bug is enough when there's no more info to add (as comment), right?
[21:32] <stdin> whyhankee: if you want updates on it, yes
[21:33] <whyhankee> stdin: and to get counted as an extra person being bitten i guess :) thx
[21:33] <jack_spratt>  stdin: so I know for a fact that this driver works, if I copy it into other distros then it might work right? will it just show up in configuration screens like it does on kubuntus, so long as i copy it to the right place i mean?
[21:34] <stdin> jack_spratt: it's possible, but it may  not. you can't tell with a .so it depends on how xorg was compiled
[21:35] <jack_spratt>  stdin: that doesnt sound encouraging
[21:37] <jack_spratt> stdin: do you think its likely even that if i restart in live mode, or install using vesa with kubuntu and try to get this driver working again that it will?
[21:37] <Xbehave> where should i ask about my kubuntu + compiz problem?
[21:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[21:38] <Daisuke_Ido> now to figure out how to get java working in firefox 3.0
[21:38] <stdin> jack_spratt: it should do, don't see why a live session would behave differently than an installed one in this respect
[21:39] <jack_spratt> stdin::ok, and do you think the same would work with ubuntu rather than kubuntu?
[21:39] <Xbehave> Daisuke_Ido: link /opt/firefox/plugins to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ that gets most plugins working
[21:40] <stdin> jack_spratt: they use the same packages, so yes
[21:40] <Daisuke_Ido> trying to test out an embedded java irc applet
[21:40] <Daisuke_Ido> and firefox keeps locking up :\
[21:41] <jack_spratt> stdin:and do you think that in future, as in pclinuxos, some day the i810 driver will just be removed by default by the package manager in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[21:41] <stdin> jack_spratt: when it get's removed upstream, yes
[21:41] <stdin> we can't build what isn't there
[21:41] <jack_spratt> stdin:what do you mean removed upstream? excusse my ignorance
[21:42] <jack_spratt> stdin:surely you wont have to build anything, just leave present what is alreay built?
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[21:42] <stdin> upstream is the project: xorg, downstream is us (k/x/ed/u/buntu) and debian
[21:43] <stdin> jack_spratt: every package you install is built for ubuntu from source
[21:43] <jack_spratt> stdin:sure
[21:43] <stdin> when the source for the i810 module is removed by xorg, then we can't possibly ship it
[21:44] <jack_spratt> stdin:why not? youll still have the source and the package that you have, so long as they dont change the licesing or something surely you can ship it as long as you like]
[21:44] <stdin> jack_spratt: no, because that would mean that we have to stay at that versions of xorg forever
[21:45] <stdin> or branch xorg into another project all together to just maintain that one dirver
[21:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: whats wrong with that - you can ship both side by side, simultaneously, like you do at the moment
[21:45] <jack_spratt> stdin:but presumably they have abandoned developent on this driver as its been superseeded
[21:46] <Agent_bob> ([k|x|ed|u]buntu)
[21:46] <stdin> jack_spratt: not totally, but it's marked to be removed at a later date. when it's removed upstream (by xorg) we can't do anything about that
[21:47] <stdin> we can't just copy the source from one version to another because it wouldn't build anyway
[21:47] <The_ManU_212> is that right?
[21:47] <The_ManU_212> i still use edgy and today i got a kernel update, i used adept and all ran normal as everytime but it crashed when i should get the popup for dist-upgrade
[21:47] <The_ManU_212> then i opened manually adept and ran apt-get update, i think all is installed fine
[21:48] <stdin> The_ManU_212: if you get no error messages from "sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then you're fine
[21:49] <jack_spratt> stdin:i still dont understand really. Say im writing a book, and i go through several proofs before i publish it, but all versions are gpl's, if some people get access to the first rough proof and like it, then they can read it and distribute it to like minded people as long as they like, even if the book ends up much different and continues to be edited and rereleased into the future. whats stopping people distributing the original version if they like
[21:49] <jack_spratt> it or if it works?
[21:49] <The_ManU_212> stdin: but i dont want to make a upgrade
[21:49] <The_ManU_212> and i dont want to reconfigure all stdin
[21:49] <stdin> The_ManU_212: it won't reconfigure all, just configure what's not yet configured
[21:50] <stdin> jack_spratt: we could stay with one version of Xorg forever, but then we'd get no updates/new features/bug fixes ever again
[21:52] <jack_spratt> stdin:why? why are two different drivers mutually exclsive? intel dropped support for some other chips recently in the new driver you said, surely its reasonable to ship the old one too then as an acceptable and very necessary alternative...?
[21:52] <Agent_bob> and probably wouldn't need them either
[21:52] <stdin> jack_spratt: because the api/abi would change over time
[21:53] <The_ManU_212> stdin: and the upgrade part how to test without upgrade?
[21:53] <jack_spratt> stdin:how could the api change if the chips remain the same (again excuse my ignorance).
[21:53] <stdin> The_ManU_212: why don't you want to run dist-upgrade ?
[21:53] <miladen> is it "unrar e filename.rar" ?
[21:53] <florianr> Hello! I use google desktop, now I found a verry large file in: ~/.google/desktop/repo/1000 ... It is nearly 1 GB ....
[21:53] <stdin> jack_spratt: the api to the xorg/kernel interface
[21:54] <jack_spratt> stdin:who am I talking to by the way, id like to know who this so helpful and knowledgeable individual is
[21:54] <miladen> is it "unrar e filename.rar" ?
[21:54] <jack_spratt> stdin:i see
[21:54] <stdin> jack_spratt: /whois me to see my real name
[21:54] <jack_spratt> stdin:but surely thats a long way off
[21:55] <stdin> jack_spratt: like I said, it's marked for a later date. that date is not defined yet
[21:55] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok that makes more sense now, thanks
[21:56] <The_ManU_212> stdin: all is running fine and many is configured, other packages installed or some scripts in /usr/bin etc
[21:57] <stdin> The_ManU_212: if dpkg --configure -a worked, then whatever you have installed is installer properly
[21:58] <Agent_bob> it's no wonder that people have so much trouble communicating on irc.   none of them act like they even know hos to read.     (not at this particular channel)
[21:58] <Agent_bob> hos/how
[21:59] <Xbehave_> with compiz kde colour picker / run dialog fail to show anything but dialogs (and the dialogs are permeninatly blank)
[22:00] <The_ManU_212> stdin: ok got an empty prompt so i think its ok
[22:00] <lupul> hi
[22:00] <lupul> !grub
[22:00] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:01] <blizzzek> gn8
[22:03] <jack_spratt> stdin:where did you say I should submit this as a bug?
[22:03] <stdin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+filebug
[22:04] <jack_spratt> stdin:thanks
[22:05] <Alex135> hey, are the openGL screensavers that are based on the type that take an image of your screen and deform it, are those suposed to work in Kubuntu?
[22:05] <jeisma> could someone tell me how to match my desktop bacground to the login background?
[22:06] <Alex135> by default it should already be the same...
[22:06] <jeisma> i already tried going to the login manager and changing
[22:06] <The_ManU_212> stdin: is this right no message in terminal if all its correct with dpkg --configure -a?
[22:06] <jeisma> Alex135 they're not
[22:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Alex135: you are aware that a lot of people change their wallpaper, right?
[22:06] <stdin> The_ManU_212: no message = no error, so yes
[22:07] <Alex135> Daisuke_ido: yes i am,
[22:07] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido do you know how to match it?
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: create a kdm theme using your wallpaper as the basis
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> don't ask me how, i have no clue
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but that's about it
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> or live with it not matching
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> it didn't match in windows either, so it shouldn't be that painful
[22:07] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido ok
[22:08] <Alex135> Are the openGL screensavers that take a screenshot and deform it suposed to work properly in Kubuntu?
[22:08] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido well how about changing how your login looks, where do i do that?
[22:08] <atef> Hi everybody!
[22:09] <Alex135> jeisma, go to System Settings and then spash screen
[22:09] <Alex135> splash screen*
[22:09] <Artimus> Is Flash working yet?  I've been reading the mailing lists, and I've seen people say Flash is working for Gutsy in Konqueror again.  For me, I get solid gray squares that crash/lag Konqueror.
[22:09] <jeisma> Alex135 i mean when im tying in my password
[22:09] <jeisma> Alex135 that backround
[22:09] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:09] <_Angelus_> will i loose any data if i re-size my /home partition?
[22:09] <jack_spratt> stdin:is this channel logged online somewhere so I can review our earlier conversation?
[22:10] <stdin> !logs
[22:10] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[22:10] <Alex135> jeisma yes i know, however changing the indavidual background of the splashscreen is beyond me, if you want to change the splash screen you can go to that option and change it
[22:11] <Xbehave_> whats the command for the kde run dialog?
[22:12] <The_ManU_212> thx stdin
[22:12] <jeisma> Alex135 but isn't that just the different splash screens?
[22:12] <DreadKnight> Xbehave_: alt + f2 ?
[22:12] <jeisma> Alex135 i don't see where you can change the bg here
[22:12] <Xbehave_> i want to stick it in a konsole so i can find out whats wrong
[22:12] <jeisma> Alex135 nevermind i read it wrong
[22:12] <Alex135> :)
[22:12] <stdin> Xbehave_: the "command" is "dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand"
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> boot.  head.
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> TWICE.
[22:13] <_Angelus_> so no one knows if i can resize my /home partition without loosing data?
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> should be able to
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> using qtparted or gparted
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, you should really do that from a live cd
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> since you can't do it when it's mounted
[22:14] <_Angelus_> yeah
[22:14] <_Angelus_> but how much chance do i have to loose data?
[22:15] <Xbehave_> thx,brb going to restart x see if it helps
[22:16] <Alex135> Are the openGL screensavers suposed to take an image from the desktop and deform it?
[22:16] <jack_spratt> stdin:are you sure that address is corrct? it seems only to want ubuntu not kubuntu bugs reporting there...?
[22:17] <stdin> jack_spratt: ubuntu and kubuntu use the same packages, think of Ubuntu as the brand and Kubuntu as one of it's products
[22:18] <jack_spratt> stdin: well they do operate rather differently, though I know kde is rather 'tacked on' to gnome, ubuntus primary focus
[22:18] <jack_spratt> stdin:are you an evangelist?
[22:18] <jack_spratt> stdin:thanks for telling me that btw!
[22:18] <TimS> kde is not tacked on to gnome
[22:18] <stdin> jack_spratt: ubuntu is a project, it just so happens that it's primary product goes by the same name ;)
[22:18] <TimS> Kubuntu does not have gnome.
[22:19] <Alex135> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE installed instead of gnome (aswell as some other stuff)
[22:19] <TimS> Think of it as a car. You get the pergeuot 300 and the pergeuot 300 desil. One has petrol one has deisil.
[22:19] <TimS> But, you spell it right.
[22:19] <Ms-suse> whats the linux equivalent for active directory server?
[22:19] <TimS> That was terrible.
[22:20] <TimS> Ms-suse: Whats that?
[22:21] <Ms-suse> TimS, you know like server 2003, hosting a server based network based on active directory
[22:21] <TimS> /var/www?
[22:21] <Pentarex> is there any program like Flash get
[22:22] <TimS> I am not too good with servers :p
[22:22] <TimS> Kget
[22:22] <TimS> !kget
[22:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kget - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:22] <TimS> !info kget
[22:22] <ubotu> kget (source: kdenetwork): download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 442 kB, installed size 1196 kB
[22:22] <Xbehave> Ms-suse: there are a few i think, i think novell have the best ones erm not sure if theres a complete equivelent
[22:22] <Pentarex> ok 10nx
[22:22] <Xbehave> thats not flash get is it thats just get
[22:23] <TimS> Flash get is a firefox plug in
[22:23] <TimS> You can get it for firefox.
[22:23] <Ms-suse> Xbehave, k, thanks
[22:23] <TimS> I assumed he meant download managers
[22:24] <TimS> Alex135: There are a lot of OpenGL screensavers
[22:24] <TimS> Some deform the desktop, some don't
[22:24] <Alex135> TimS: yes, but the ones that do, are the suposed to take an image from the desktop?
[22:24] <TimS> I believe so.
[22:25] <Alex135> TimS: because every time i try them, they just get some random image, and not an actual desktop image
[22:25] <TimS> Oh, an Image of anything in particular?
[22:25] <Alex135> no, like of the space shuttle and such
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> flashGOT is a firefox plugin
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> flashGET is a windows-based download manager
[22:25] <TimS> Ah, it could be a setting in that case.
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> (which is what flashgot was originally designed to work with)
[22:26] <TimS> Ah, I did not realise there was a difference.
[22:26] <TimS> Well, I got the right one to start off with =]
[22:26] <Alex135> TimS: i have tried with all the settings, non have anything to do with that
[22:26] <TimS> I would try it out, but I have no graphics drivers
[22:26] <TimS> The current nVidia ones for my card are broken :P
[22:27] <Alex135> that hapened to my old one a while ago, then i finally got a new PC...
[22:27] <jklinck> hi :) with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" i have no chance to switch my graphic driver, in the xorg.conf is also no driver entry for my intel card (Ubuntu Hardy; KDE 4) Gfxcard & Xorg.conf > http://pastebin.com/m3a6bc0cd
[22:27] <Alex135> TimS: what do you mean when you say they are broken, when you try them do they just make your GUI go away and only text mode works?
[22:28] <TimS> Alex135: They cause random kernel freezes
[22:28] <TimS> Its a known bug, they haven't fixed it yet
[22:28] <TimS> I have the old ones, but I haven't got round to installing them
[22:28] <jklinck> i think its not the normal behaviour of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to go directly to the keyboard settings by skipping the graphic settings
[22:28] <Alex135> ah, ok
[22:28] <jklinck> or not?
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> jklinck: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:29] <TimS> You need to add -phigh
[22:29] <TimS> Daisuke_Ido: Does phigh stand for something?
[22:29] <Alex135> TimS: just curious, because every time i install Nvidia drivers, i find that my monitor goes into sleep mode (indicating its recieving a signal it doens't know how to display)
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> TimS: priority - high
[22:30] <TimS> Ah, cool =]
[22:30] <jklinck> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[22:30] <jklinck>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080207003127
[22:30] <TimS> Alex135: Sounds like a bad refresh rate.
[22:30] <jklinck> and nothing happens
[22:30] <c1|freaky> jklinck: what driver do you want to install?
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> jklinck: you'll need to restart your xserver
[22:30] <c1|freaky> you need to add the lines by yourself in hardy
[22:30] <jklinck> oh :/
[22:31] <c1|freaky> hardy is really missing those configuration steps
[22:31] <c1|freaky> jklinck: what driver are u trying to switch to?
[22:31] <c1|freaky> are u trying to install the ati drivers manually?
[22:31] <Alex135> TimS: dunno what it was, but i go into the Xorg.conf and i discover the normal resolution declaration functions arn't in there aswell as a lot of other things, but dpkg-reconfigure fixes it
[22:31] <jklinck> 965 GM (intel) so i installed the intel drivers
[22:31] <TimS> Alex135: I sometimes get it on other distros and have to use boot options, its not a great monitor.
[22:31] <TimS> Ah. Odd :P
[22:32] <Alex135> TimS: hapened in Fedora too, but it could have been a combination of outdated Vidcard and probs with configuring the Xserver
[22:32] <jklinck> c1|freaky: so the whole autoconfiguration of the graphic adapters for xorg doesnt work in hardy right?
[22:32] <miladen> how do i run a .run file?
[22:33] <jklinck> miladen: ./foobar.run
[22:33] <miladen> ok thx
[22:33] <c1|freaky> yes. i had to add a few lines so the aticonfig --initial worked
[22:33] <Artimus> miladen: You might have to mark it as executable first.  chmod +x foobar.run
[22:33] <miladen> thx dudes, ill try them all :D
[22:34] <dan__> hello.. "huge" question comming up. :P
[22:34] <dan__> since I installed KDE4 my xserver (I think) sometimes crashes when I, for example, use flash or pdf.. when I reboot some letters are lilac (in a sort of pattern).. and xserver (I think :P) won't start.. however.. If I let the comp be for a while it usually starts again.. anyone having the same problem or know any of it?
[22:34] <TimS> Fedora does that to people.
[22:34] <c1|freaky> jklinck: someone told me they are trying to get rid of the xorg.conf but im not sure ...
[22:34] <blue|palm> hi, i have just installed kate from kde 4 onto a regular ubuntu desktop, but the fonts are really ugly (aliased) is there any way to fix this?
[22:35] <Alex135> TimS: Any idea why i am forced to add the boot option -nolapic to get my kernel to load (running on duel core 64 bit)
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> they're trying to get to a point where users never need to touch the xorg.conf
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's getting there
[22:35] <TimS> Nope, sorry. I am running dual core, 32 bit
[22:35] <jklinck> c1|freaky: i think for the casual user its really hard to debug the xserver and to set the right paramters in the xorg.conf.... so a new way of configuration(easier) would help a lot
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> every successive release has gotten a bit better on this front
[22:36] <jklinck> blue|palm: #kubuntu-kde4
[22:36] <miladen> chmoit sais bash: ./: is a directory
[22:36] <dan__> oh.. and it crashes in kde3
[22:36] <miladen> sorry, It says ..
[22:37] <miladen> it sais bash: ./: is a directory when i try to run it...
[22:38] <jklinck> c1|freaky: but i think I'm not ready for the bleeding edge of ubuntu hardy :) so i switch back to gutsy...
[22:38] <jklinck> miladen: what for a cmd have you tried?
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> miladen: remove the space between / and the filename
[22:38] <c1|freaky> ok ^^
[22:39] <jklinck> c1|freaky: but thanks for the information
[22:39] <miladen> Daisuke_Ido that did the trick :D
[22:39] <dan__> meh. whi do I always get the wierd errors :(
[22:39] <c1|freaky> np
[22:39] <c1|freaky> :D
[22:40] <Daisuke_Ido> dan__: if letting the comp sit for a while (off) fixes the problem, it's a hardware issue.
[22:40] <jklinck> dan__: i think you are not alone... but "have you tried to turn it off and on again"? xD
[22:41] <dan__> oh yeah. then it works
[22:41] <tzd> can anyone tell me if: "cp -a" will be enough for a move of "home" directory please? Read all kinds of guides and the last one I've found used find .. pipe ... and that definitely didn't work... I want to move my home folder to a separate partition
[22:41] <dan__> but is it a kde4 issue. since it never happened before
[22:41] <Alex135> dan_: i had a few strange errors a while back, found out it was due to a failing hdd
[22:42] <Artimus> tzd: Looks like it.  It has all the options you need
[22:42] <dan__> Alex135: meh. now i got all worried. :P
[22:42] <smeril> when i try to add a new user in terminal with comand adduser it says that only root can add users what can i do about that?
[22:42] <Artimus> tzd: I add -v for verbose as well.  But  -a is all you need.
[22:42] <Alex135> dan_: glad i could calm your nerves :P
[22:42] <jklinck> smeril: use "sudo adduser NAME"
[22:42] <dan__> Alex135: :P
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> it's probably not a direct result of kde4
[22:43] <Daisuke_Ido> more or less just a coincidence that the problems are showing up now
[22:43] <Ms-suse> when is kde4 going to be available as an alternate install in the 8.4
[22:43] <Ms-suse> ?
[22:43] <Alex135> dan_: i was having strange isues like when i installed java it would download, but on the install part of it, it couldn't find the file
[22:43] <dan__> ah. kk. thanks anyways guys
[22:43] <Daisuke_Ido> Ms-suse: it's going to be in the repos
[22:43] <tzd> Artimus: Are you sure :) Been trying past 7-8 hours to get it working and now I'm finally back to where i started ;) The thing that messed it up badly was most likely the: cp -a /var/* thingie but I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking here :)
[22:43] <Ms-suse> Daisuke_Ido, so, it wont be included in the isos?
[22:43] <smeril> thanks but what is the next step?
[22:44] <jklinck> smeril: if you need root privileges you can run it as a so called sudoer(the users who are allowed to run root cmd's) but to tell the system that this command should run under root u must use "sudo" in front of the cmd
[22:44] <tzd> Artimus: the var folder was a side thingie that i wanted to run on a separate partition as well... just as with tmp and usr and also home
[22:45] <smeril> i think i made it
[22:45] <jklinck> smeril: there is no next step, type in the user password twice and you created one
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Ms-suse: not to my knowledge, no
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> and it shouldn't be
[22:45] <Alex135> you can alwase get into root by running 'sudo su' but then i have had GUI problems with that, like starting up apps that require a gui dont work right
[22:45] <Artimus> tzd: cp -a is just an alias for cp -dpR, those are the options I use every day.  cp -a /home /newhome
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it's *not ready* for end users, yet NO ONE seems to get that.
[22:46] <Artimus> tzd: You have to be careful, cp -a /home/USER/* will not actually grab the dotfiles from their home directory
[22:46] <tzd> Artimus: I'll give your advice a shot though :) Will i be able to do it KDE or do i need to it in text mode?
[22:46] <jklinck> Alex135: you have GUI problems because your X-Environment is not present... so the apps dont know where the desktop is
[22:46] <gustavonarea> Hello, everyone. I was using KDE and for a reason I don't know, my system got frozen. I pressed CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and when I logged in again, all my KDE-related configurations disappeared. Everything, including my emails, is lost. I'm using Kubuntu Gutsy. Could someone help me out, please?
[22:46] <Daisuke_Ido> they think "oh, hey, 4.0, neat, all the bugs should be worked out and it'll be the best thing since sliced bread and it'll even walk my dog and do my laundry and wash my dishes" but it AIN'T LIKE THAT.
[22:46] <Artimus> tzd: Open up a terminal.  Should be under System.  "Konsole" or "Terminal Program"
[22:46] <Ms-suse> Daisuke_Ido, well, it doesnt bother me that it's not ready, i would just rather have it natively installed rather then installing it from repos
[22:47] <gustavonarea> That's not it. Many personal files were deleted too.
[22:47] <tzd> Artimus: oh ok... hmm how do i get the dot files? I suppose i need them as well?
[22:47] <Alex135> jklinck: yeah thats probably it... how do i fix that?
[22:48] <Artimus> tzd: They're the linux version of "hidden files".  It's all of your settings, so yeah.
[22:48] <gustavonarea> The only "new" thing to my system was Gnomad. I was not doing anything sensitive. I'm using Linux for years, I'm not new at all. Any hints?
[22:48] <jklinck> Alex135: open the apps with root priviliges with the command "kdesu"
[22:49] <jklinck> Alex135: as a normal user
[22:49] <Artimus> tzd: What exactly are you trying to do here?  Make a backup or move it?
[22:49] <tzd> Artimus: move it
[22:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ms-suse: not gonna happen
[22:49] <Artimus> tzd: Alright, where is it going to be moved to?
[22:49] <Alex135> jklinck: ah ok, i was just wondering if there was a setting i had to set somewhere
[22:49] <tzd> to a partition called sda8
[22:50] <Artimus> tzd: Is it mounted?
[22:50] <tzd> Artimus: to a partition called sda8
[22:50] <tzd> Artimus: not yet
[22:50] <Artimus> tzd: Mount the thing somewhere first.  /media/sda8 or something.
[22:50] <nik> UE'
[22:51] <tzd> Artimus: ok mounted it to: /mnt/newhome
[22:51] <Artimus> tzd: Alright.  cp -av /home/* /mnt/newhome/
[22:51] <Artimus> The added v will just show you what it's doing...
[22:54] <Alex135> Why do i need to add the -nolapic boot option to make my kernel load? (Duel Core 64bit Processor and ubuntu version)
[22:55] <tzd> Artimus: ok and that will do it?
[22:55] <jklinck> Alex135: (APIC) A Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC) that can handle interrupts from and for multiple CPUs, and, usually, has more available interrupt lines that a typical PIC.
[22:56] <Alex135> jklinck: oh
[22:56] <jklinck> Alex135: the L in no"l"apic is for laptop functions, wich are also deactivated
[22:57] <Alex135> jklinck: i thought that stood for local...
[22:58] <jklinck> Alex135: but on a real dualcore system i think it should be activated
[22:59] <Alex135> jklinck: well mine is a real dualcore system, so i have no clue why its doing this.. what are the consiquences of it being deactivated?
[22:59] <LilSarge> can someone help me get Compiz / Emerald working.... i'v tried everything
[22:59] <Alex135> LilSarge: it doesn't work right in Kubuntu
[23:00] <LilSarge> my cousin got it working on his... was that luck?
[23:01] <Alex135> LilSarge: are you wanting the gnome desktop effect functions to work?
[23:01] <LilSarge> KDE
[23:01] <ali__> hi everybody
[23:01] <LilSarge> hi
[23:01] <Alex135> LilSarge: ah, well i tried to get it working and to get the Gnome Desktop effects to work in KDE and i had no success
[23:01] <jklinck> Alex135: on high load it performs slower with deactivated apic
[23:02] <Alex135> LilSarge: what have you tried?
[23:02] <ali__> try to install kcompiz
[23:02] <ali__> i did n it works
[23:02] <ali__> but.. not as good as gnome ;)
[23:02] <LilSarge> umm i dont know this stuff on top of my head, just went to websites for help and my cousin tried helping
[23:02] <LilSarge> im new to all of this
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> the gene pool needs a little chlorine today
[23:02] <Pentarex> can anyone help me with NVIDIA driver install ?
[23:03] <Alex135> jklinck: any idea how to get it to load my kernel without the -nolapic boot option included?
[23:03] <ali__> well i first added internet repos n then deactivated all DVD repo
[23:03] <ali__> unistalled all compiz packages
[23:03] <ali__> then istalled kcompiz and emerald
[23:03] <Pentarex> anyone ?
[23:03] <Alex135> Pentarex: i can
[23:03] <Pentarex> Alex135: aa thank you
[23:03] <Pentarex> Alex135: what i must to do
[23:04] <Artimus> tzd: Sorry, had a phone call to deal with.  Yes, that will copy it over.  Tell  me when that's done.
[23:04] <Pentarex> Alex135: ctrl+alt+f1 :) then
[23:04] <ali__> but i have even bigger problem with kubuntu now!!
[23:04] <Pentarex> Alex135: but i dont know the pass for root in this console
[23:04] <Pici> !root
[23:04] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[23:04] <jack_spratt> its possible to install kubuntu onto a 2gb usb pendrive isnt it?
[23:05] <ali__> i can not use my kontact kmail and akregator
[23:05] <ali__> looks like they r not connecting to internet
[23:05] <LilSarge> aight guys lll ttyl
[23:05] <LilSarge> lata
[23:05] <sensae> Every time I start up I have to go into the network manager, and disable / enable my wired connection to get it to DHCP.
[23:05] <Pentarex> Alex135: nope i am not registred
[23:05] <jklinck> Alex135: no guess, try to google for your hardware components in combination with ubuntu
[23:05] <ali__> wat should i do?
[23:06] <Pentarex> Alex135: w8 a sec
[23:06] <Alex135> jklinck: alright ill try that, thx
[23:06] <tzd> Artimus: no worries mate :) copying as we speak.
[23:06] <Alex135> Pentarex: alright, while i wait il lget up the info i need
[23:06] <Artimus> tzd: When you're done, you're going to need to tell the box to mount sda8 (or whatever you said it was) as your new home partition.
[23:06] <sensae> Anyone know what's up and how I can fix it? It interferes with my NFS mounting in fstab
[23:07] <Pentarex> Alex135: but how to reg :(
[23:08] <Alex135> Pentarex: 1 sec
[23:08] <tzd> Artimus:  right. I do this by editing the /etc/fstab correct?
[23:08] <Alex135> Pentarex: forgot how to reg in irc...
[23:08] <Artimus> tzd: I think there's actually a nice way to do it in KDE.  I've never tried it.
[23:09] <Pentarex> i think it was /msg cs reg but ...
[23:09] <Artimus> tzd: It's called Disk & Filesystems.  It should be under System Administration...
[23:09] <tzd> Artimus: you mean via the control center? I'm in there as well although I'm quite sure the settings won't last?
[23:10] <Pentarex> Alex135: when u rdy i am too
[23:10] <Alex135> Pentarex: /msg nickserv register <your-password>
[23:11] <tzd> Artimus: I'll give the kde another chance ;)
[23:11] <Artimus> tzd: Anything that requires you to click the Administer button is pretty permanent :P
[23:12] <tzd> Artimus: should be alright then... probably just me doing something wrong in there... this time i'll be more careful
[23:12] <Artimus> tzd: Otherwise, adding an fstab line isn't too hard.  I've  just never used the little GUI thing.  I still use apt from the command line out of habbit
[23:13] <tzd> Artimus: yeah im usually more into the whole GUI thing although it's quite nice using commands as well
[23:14] <Artimus> tzd: I recommend you just move your old home directory when you're done, rather than delete it.  Just in case things didn't work.
[23:15] <jack_spratt> its possible to install kubuntu onto a 2gb usb pendrive isnt it?
[23:15] <ali__> so wat about my Kontact not working?
[23:16] <tzd> Artimus: alright, added: /home to mount location. Type is ext3. Checked the options: "activate on start" and "writeable". Mount rights are set to: Only system admin can activate or inactivate
[23:16] <Artimus> tzd: Sounds right to me.  Click save if there's a save button and quit out.  We'll check fstab just to verify.
[23:16] <tzd> Artimus: ok, will run mv /home /home.bak
[23:16] <Artimus> tzd: Not quite yet
[23:17] <Artimus> tzd: You don't want to do that until right before you reboot...
[23:17] <tzd> Artimus: ok
[23:17] <genii> jack_spratt: If you basically copy the livecd version and modify the fstab 2Gb is OK. If you want a fullblown install, look more towards 4Gb
[23:17] <Artimus> tzd: Alright, open a terminal and run this as a normal user:  cat /etc/fstab | grep home
[23:17] <tzd> Artimus: i've clicked ok and set the mount point etc, although, the partition is inactivated?
[23:18] <sensae> Every time I start up I have to go into the network manager, and disable / enable my wired connection to get it to DHCP. Anyone know how to fix this?
[23:18] <Artimus> tzd: The command will tell you if it worked.  It should spit out a line, please paste that line here (it's not that long)
[23:18] <tzd> Artimus:  /dev/sda8 /home ext3 nouser,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[23:18] <jack_spratt> genii: more towards? will a fresh install fit on a 2gb one?
[23:18] <Artimus> tzd: That's fine.  /dev/sda8 was your new partition, right?
[23:18] <genii> jack_spratt: No, not enough room. Default install is about 2.6G
[23:18] <tzd> Artimus: yep :)
[23:19] <jack_spratt> hmm, are kubuntu xubuntu any smaller do you know?
[23:19] <Demonho-br> helloooo
[23:19] <Artimus> tzd: Alright.  Close anything you have open (specifically any email clients).  mv /home /homebak
[23:19] <Demonho-br> hello,  my keyboard is u.s  im running kde  and i can see the flag u.s  in my panel.. but i cant type  everything right. ´e  ´a   C~ao    i want these symbols.. above letters. how can i do it ?
[23:19] <genii> jack_spratt: Xubuntu takes just about 2G, very close
[23:19] <Artimus> tzd: Then reboot and hope for the best...  Everything looks right to me.
[23:20] <Demonho-br> in kcontrol i had set.  use keyboard layout. its  us   intl  keyboard model pc105   because its a notebook
[23:20] <Demonho-br> :(
[23:20] <tzd> Artimus: the "nouser" in fstab.. that doesn't affect my right to use the partition as user?
[23:20] <Artimus> tzd: That just says that you as a user can't unmount it
[23:20] <tzd> Artimus: ok cool. ok, will give it a go and hopefully I'm back within the next 5-10 minutes. Thanks for your help and patience in this matter! Highly appreciated! :)
[23:21] <Artimus> tzd: I wish you the best
[23:21] <tzd> Artimus:  cheers :)
[23:23] <genii> jack_spratt: A way of basically using the Casper version (livecd) and moving then modifying some files on it to work on a usb stick can be found here: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar
[23:24] <genii> jack_spratt: That will run on less than 1 Gb leaving room for installing a few things
[23:25] <yurimxpxman> what can I use to convert a video to VOB?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> k3b
[23:25] <tekteen> yurimxpxman: mencoder
[23:26] <tekteen> yurimxpxman: for a gui dvd creator use devede
[23:26] <tekteen> !info devede
[23:26] <ubotu> devede (source: devede): program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[23:26] <Edulix> hi sometimes alsa amarok (using xine backend) says that the device is in use
[23:27] <Edulix>  I restart alsa (/etc/init.d/alsa restart) and it still says so
[23:27] <Edulix>  and the only way I've found to fix it is..rebooting
[23:27] <Edulix> (not even cat /dev/random > /dev/audio works, it says "device busy")
[23:28] <crimsun> well, using oss emulation is blocking unless you have hardware capable of multiopen.
[23:28] <crimsun> so, as root/using sudo, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*
[23:28] <jack_spratt> genii: thats really great thanks
[23:30] <genii> jack_spratt: np
[23:31] <sub[t]rnl> heres another usefull page for all things usb. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[23:32] <pdenapo> Hi, the latest kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.21 for gutsy seems to have some nasty bug. My computer fails to boot with it,it hangs with a message "waiting  for the root filesystem"
[23:33] <pdenapo> the kernel 2.6.25-5 from hardy has the same problem. However a _vanilla_ 2.6.24 kernel compiled by hand just works fine
[23:33] <pdenapo> I seems to be something related to the ide disk
[23:34] <genii> pdenapo: Likely your initram does not not contain the driver needed to understand what ide controller driver to load prior to mounting root fs
[23:35] <c1|freaky> ok now again. i have a question about apt-pinning. i installed drivers from ati.com and dont want ubuntu to upgrade the drivers to the ubuntu versions. i wrote the following in /etc/apt/preferences: http://main.freakyy.de/apt-pinning.txt - it still tries to install ubuntu packages when doing apt-get upgrade - can someone help me and tell me what im doing wrong?
[23:35] <pdenapo> I just skiped using the initrd
[23:35] <pdenapo> and the vanilla kernel works
[23:35] <jack_spratt> genii: how would I go about making a fresh kubuntu install share an existing KDE distro's /home directory?
[23:35] <pdenapo> I would like to report the bug properly, however how may I capture the messages from a kernel that fails to boot?
[23:36] <jack_spratt> pdenapo: boot up a livecd, and access the logs
[23:36] <genii> c1|freaky: Since the ubuntu drivers are contained within the meta-package of restricted-drivers it could be a bit tricky if you use other restricted drivers than the ati one
[23:36] <c1|freaky> im using ati drivers but from ati.com
[23:36] <c1|freaky> i dont want to use the ones from kubuntu
[23:36] <c1|freaky> they never worked for me.
[23:37] <Pentarex> Alex135:
[23:37] <c1|freaky> and now they even try to replace the working ones ^^
[23:37] <Alex135> Pentarex: yes?
[23:37] <tzd> Artimus: that didn't work I'm afraid. The error message i get when i try to login is: "could not start kstartup config"
[23:37] <Pentarex> how to id
[23:37] <Alex135> ?
[23:37] <Pentarex> how to identified me
[23:37] <genii> jack_spratt: Is the /home on a separate partition ?
[23:37] <jack_spratt> no
[23:38] <Pentarex> to ident my nickname
[23:38] <Pentarex> ?
[23:38] <Alex135>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[23:38] <Demonho-br> what about my Keyboard !! ?
[23:38] <pdenapo> jack_spratt: the problem is that if the kernel cannot mount the root filesystem, syslog won't just work
[23:38] <jack_spratt> genii: no
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> c1|freaky➜ is there a reason your leaving out the pin-priority in your /etc/apt/prefrences?
[23:39] <jack_spratt> pdenapo: im not sure sorry
[23:39] <c1|freaky> sub[t]rnl: its optional ..
[23:39] <c1|freaky> ill try priority 99
[23:39] <c1|freaky> ?
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> try 1001
[23:40] <pdenapo> jack_spratt: many thanks anyway
[23:40] <jack_spratt> :)
[23:40] <andre_> hello all...
[23:40] <c1|freaky> sub[t]rnl: still tries to upgrade :((
[23:41] <jack_spratt> genii:?
[23:41] <tzd> Artimus: actually now when i checked my home dir, the free space is a lot bigger (it's using the partition). Although it won't work when i move the default home directory.
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> mmmkay, patience certainly got interesting with the new version
[23:41] <andre_> i was using gnu/linux many years ... - in many distros (suse6.2-9.2 / debian3.1/4.0 gentoo lfs and so on) - but kubuntu is the best distro off all !!!
[23:42] <andre_> iam thanking all developers of kubuntu !
[23:42] <andre_> ubuntu is better as distro, but i dont like gnome, so iam using kubuntu...
[23:43] <Daisuke_Ido> just out of curiosity, why don't you like gnome?
[23:43] <Chaos_17> test
[23:44] <genii_> Gah. Ghosted
[23:44] <andre_> cause it have to less options for personalisations...
[23:45] <andre_> hope my english is not to broken *g
[23:45] <genii> c1|freaky: Did you get my last message or 2?
[23:45] <genii> jack_spratt: So as I gather.. you want to keep a standalone install on hard drive, then occasionally boot to usb but use the /home on the hard drive as the /home when you boot to usb?
[23:47] <andre_> of course, i mean the best desktop-distro... on servers i would prefer debian or gentoo
[23:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't recommend gentoo unless you like working on your computer more than getting work done
[23:47] <Daisuke_Ido> debian on a server, most definitely
[23:48] <jack_spratt> genii: perhaps, but im also considering squeezing kubuntu onto a 4gb ish partition next to an existing kde based linux install, and to save space and to make for ease of use, have them both share the same /home folder
[23:48] <c1|freaky> i got it to work
[23:48] <c1|freaky> i forgot the version part
[23:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i just hear a lot of new users saying "oh, i hate gnome" and i have to ask why...  and i inevitably get the same answer: "you can't change it" and i have to ask "did you try it, or were you just told that gnome sucks?"  most of the time, they're just told and never bother to look for themselves.
[23:48] <jack_spratt> genii: does that sound plausible? cant i just set the home mount point on another automounted partition?
[23:48] <c1|freaky> thank you :D
[23:49] <andre_> Daisuke_Ido, i dont understand why u wouldnt recommend gentoo
[23:49] <genii> jack_spratt: Yes, that will work.
[23:50] <jack_spratt> genii so during the installation process i have the opportunity to set the home mount point, and then i can point it to another partition
[23:50] <jack_spratt> genii: and the .kde files etc being shared wont mess up either one of the installations?
[23:50] <andre_> gentoo is great if u need special server-applicatioons...  or secial settings
[23:50] <genii> jack_spratt: You could also do something like put a bindmount of /mountpoint/harddrive/home /home     or so
[23:50] <genii> jack_spratt: So that all new users will also be created on the hd as well and not on the usb
[23:51] <jack_spratt> genii, hmm, whats a bindmount?
[23:51] <jack_spratt> ! bindmount
[23:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bindmount - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:51] <genii> jack_spratt: bind mount is to mount a directory somewhere else
[23:52] <jack_spratt> i see like a permanent virual link
[23:52] <tlayton> hmm, with today's updates, it's like my mouse driver is loaded twice. every click is a double click, including on spaces like the window bars. anybody?
[23:53] <jack_spratt> genii: ok that sounds like it could work - can you create a bindmount without using cli?
[23:53] <genii> jack_spratt: Well, best is to put an fstab entry for it, but you may have to use cli for that part.
[23:54] <jack_spratt> genii: ok im pretty comfortable with fsmount
[23:54] <jack_spratt> genii: you see, my dads familiar with pclos, but only kubuntu will work with his video card without VESA
[23:54] <sensae> Hrm. Would I have a problem mounting an NFS of my /home on an openSuSE system right on top of my home on Kubuntu?
[23:55] <jack_spratt> genii:so to have both might be a compramise (windows is already on there in another partition)
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> what's his video card?
[23:56] <genii> jack_spratt: I would say to setup the kubuntu usb stick with whatever default user, then afterwards create a new user with same name as on hd. Then make an fstab entry for just that user to mount for instance /mnt/olddrive/home/username  to usb dir of /home/username
[23:57] <jack_spratt> Daisuke_Ido: intel 845 chipset
[23:57] <jack_spratt> genii: sounds like a plan, very useful, thanks
[23:58] <genii> jack_spratt: np
[23:58] <Daisuke_Ido> ow...
[23:59] <jack_spratt> Daisuke_Ido: meh, just tried replacing the i810 drivers on pclos07 with that from kubuntu, but it still just freezes on test like before