[04:30] <mup> Bug #1654136 changed: Removing relationship didn't remove subordinate unit <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1654136>


[18:39] <pgnd> Is there a release/branch of BzrTools compatible with Bzr v2.6.0 release?  Checking here http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrTools & https://code.launchpad.net/bzrtools , does not appear to be ...


[02:30] <superm1> tmkt, well review the diffs on cvs for lirc-i2c to start
[02:30] <superm1> see is anything stands out
[02:31] <superm1> particularly look for commits that say something like "Break all HVR-XXX hardware to annoy tmkt" :)
[03:11] <Seventoes> is mythbuntu 9.10 stable enough to use?
[03:13] <Seventoes> and would a 2.5 single core, 512 ram be fast enough to use those really cool looking themes on standard def? :P
[03:21] <tmkt> :D
[03:21] <tmkt> will do
[03:21] <tmkt> Seventoes
[03:22] <tmkt> yeah..9.10 is working great for me
[03:22] <tmkt> other then the remote
[03:22] <Seventoes> remote working is important imo :P
[03:22] <Seventoes> cant i just copy my lirc* files over?
[03:28] <superm1> not all remotes are broke
[03:29] <superm1> just some :)
[03:29] <Seventoes> hmm gambling is fun sooommmeetimes
[03:29] <Seventoes> lol
[03:29] <Seventoes> i dont have anything important yet so ill try it out and go back to .04 if it doesnt work
[03:30] <superm1> make sure to file bugs if you run into problems first ;)
[03:37] <Seventoes> will do
[03:39] <ToeBee> well fiddlesticks. Oct 13 live cd worked but it looks like X is crashing now that I installed it on the hard drive
[03:41] <ToeBee> hmm it can't find the nvidia kernel module
[03:52] <tmkt> Seventoes..hvr-1600 is giving me an issue
[03:52] <tmkt> i'm guessing it's fine for everyone else
[03:52] <Seventoes> i have a hvr--150
[03:52] <Seventoes> really basic setup
[03:52] <tmkt> so was hvr-1600 with lirc 0.84
[03:53] <tmkt> from what i've read..hvr-150 and hvr-1600 are the same pretty much for the remote
[03:53] <Seventoes> i couldnt find much info about the remote
[03:55] <Seventoes> ended up making my own lircr.conf
[03:55] <tmkt> yeah...the problem for me..is i dont even have a device listed
[03:55] <tmkt> nothing at /dev/lirc0
[03:55] <Seventoes> that was my problem when i was trying to install mythtv on ubuntu manually
[03:55] <Seventoes> worked fine with myhtbuntu though otb
[03:58] <ToeBee> seems like the restricted drivers utility is failing to activate the nvidia driver but it isn't giving me an error message either
[03:58] <tmkt> yeah..mythbuntu is nice
[03:59] <superm1> ToeBee, did you do an install with the network cable plugegd in?
[04:00] <ToeBee> yes
[04:00] <superm1> ToeBee, okay i've got a theory then..
[04:00] <superm1> ToeBee, but first lets find out the problem at hand
[04:00] <ToeBee> network cable has never NOT been plugged in since like 2 weeks ago :)
[04:00] <superm1> ToeBee, so if you try to ssh in and modprobe nvidia, does it let you?
[04:00] <superm1> and if not, does depmod -a help?
[04:01] <ToeBee> modprobe says "FATAL: Module nvidia not found."
[04:01] <ToeBee> depmod doesn't help
[04:02] <tmkt> brb..rebooting
[04:02] <ToeBee> running the restricted driver utility by hand lists the available drivers and when I tell it to use one it thinks for a second and then exits without error... but nothing happens
[04:03] <ToeBee> running /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/jockey-gtk
[04:04] <superm1> ToeBee, okay can you check if nvidia-glx-185 is installed?
[04:05] <superm1> and next can you check "uname -a"
[04:05] <superm1> and then "dpkg -l | grep linux-"
[04:06] <ToeBee> ok dpkg says I have a bunch of nvidia packages installed... nvidia-glx-185 is there
[04:06] <superm1> okay that's good
[04:06] <ToeBee> Linux lcars 2.6.31-13-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 10 15:27:14 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:06] <rhpot1991> superm1: I have nvidia 185 and headers to match my kernel
[04:07] <superm1> rhpot1991, does your nvidia module exist?
[04:07] <rhpot1991> linux-headers-2.6.31-14   and linux-headers-2.6.31-14-generic
[04:07] <rhpot1991> should there be a -restricted?
[04:07] <superm1> or did the dkms build maybe fail
[04:07] <ToeBee> I take it I'm not the only one having this problem tonight :)
[04:07] <superm1> rhpot1991, no restricted has gone away few releases ago
[04:07] <superm1> ToeBee, yeah rhpot1991 was mentioning it in another channel a few minutes ago
[04:08] <superm1> bug 450865 or bug 450493 maybe?
[04:08] <Zinn> Bug 450865 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-185-kernel-source_185.18.36-0ubuntu5 not installing correctly, blank screen on reboot" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/450865
[04:08] <tmkt> http://www.nabble.com/lirc-i2c-does-no-longer-work-with-Hauppauge-HVR-1300--td25740534.html
[04:08] <ToeBee> well I have nvidiafb.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.31-13-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/
[04:09] <rhpot1991> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d2be12651
[04:09] <superm1> sounds like it's exactly those two bugs
[04:09] <rhpot1991> bug 450493
[04:09] <Zinn> Bug 450493 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (Ubuntu) "xorg: failed to load module "nvidia"" [Undecided, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/450493
[04:10]  * rhpot1991 reconfigures
[04:11] <rhpot1991> superm1: fixed :)
[04:11] <rhpot1991> ToeBee: run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-185-kernel-source
[04:11] <ToeBee> holy hell X fired up automagically before that was even done running!
[04:11] <Zinn> ToeBee: Please watch your language.
[04:11] <ToeBee> :/
[04:11] <McNever> hey guys... quick question guys
[04:12] <superm1> rhpot1991, yeah just need to figure out why that happened in the first place
[04:12] <foxbuntu> McNever, possibly quick answer
[04:12] <rhpot1991> !stab foxbuntu
[04:12]  * Zinn stabs foxbuntu with a WASP knife.
[04:12] <ToeBee> so yes... that did indeed fix it
[04:12] <McNever> just replaced my bunch backend with an upgraded box
[04:12] <foxbuntu> McNever, bunch backend?
[04:12] <McNever> pulled the tuner out of my old box popped it in the new one... ran through the install (much easier 2nd time around)
[04:13] <rhpot1991> superm1: I'm gonna continue upgrading, I'll prob do a fresh install on my ion when I'm all done, we can see what happens there
[04:13] <McNever> bunk... crappy... old
[04:13] <foxbuntu> McNever, gotcha...ok continue
[04:13] <superm1> rhpot1991, doy i see what it is
[04:13] <superm1> it's a silly bug in the postinst
[04:13] <McNever> my frontend connects... but when i go 'watch tv' it flashs and rigth back to the menu
[04:13] <superm1> he's checking for CVERSION when he should be checking for PKGVER
[04:13] <rhpot1991> superm1: in ours?
[04:13] <superm1> not ours,
[04:13] <superm1> nvidia-185-kernel-source
[04:14] <superm1> it's easy enough to fix though
[04:14] <McNever> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f743c8332
[04:14] <ToeBee> soo... mystery solved?
[04:14] <rhpot1991> superm1: there you go, you can swoop in and fix another nvidia bug :)
[04:14] <superm1> rhpot1991, yeah i guess :?
[04:14] <superm1> :/
[04:14] <foxbuntu> McNever, run this command and post the link it produces here: cat /var/log/mythbackend.log | pastebinit
[04:14] <superm1> ToeBee, yeah! thanks for helping to nail that so quick
[04:15] <superm1> ToeBee, just run that command rhpot1991 mentioned and that should fix you right up for now though
[04:15] <ToeBee> yeah I have X running as we speak
[04:15] <tmkt> thatnow the question is to get a new remote...or hope they decide to fix it
[04:16] <ToeBee> hmm slightly odd though... the restricted driver util still doesn't say that the nvidia driver is in use
[04:16] <ToeBee> although it clearly IS in use
[04:16] <ToeBee> (I can run nvidia-settings)
[04:17] <McNever> foxbuntu, no file there by that name
[04:17] <ToeBee> oh, speaking of which... nvidia-settings has a nasty bug too
[04:18] <foxbuntu> McNever, whoops
[04:18] <foxbuntu> McNever, run this command and post the link it produces here: cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log | pastebinit
[04:18] <ToeBee> just tried to save my current config out to a file. It pops up an error "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'" When I click "OK" nvidia-settings crashes
[04:20] <McNever> http://pastebin.com/f74b68ff2
[04:20] <McNever> foxbuntu, thanks... never seen pastebinit before
[04:21] <foxbuntu> McNever, np, its pretty slick
[04:21] <foxbuntu> McNever, what type of tuner are you using?
[04:21] <superm1> ToeBee, you've gotta run it under gksudo or sudo i think
[04:22] <superm1> which is el sucky
[04:22] <superm1> its an open source app but no one wants to go patch in policykit support
[04:22] <ToeBee> that doesn't help. It is puking on something in my xorg.conf file
[04:22] <ToeBee> VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:22] <ToeBee> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[04:22] <ToeBee> then it segfaults
[04:22] <McNever> foxbuntu, hauppauge hvr1800
[04:22] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:23] <McNever> haha... whats that mean?
[04:23] <foxbuntu> well... iirc support on the hvr1800 is minimal atm
[04:23] <foxbuntu> but it appear to have init'd the tuner
[04:24] <McNever> it was working in the old backend... not very well but it was working
[04:24] <foxbuntu> but the error seems to be failing to tune to a multiplex, did you set the ATSC/QAM side of the tuner to record more than 1 at a time?
[04:24] <McNever> nothing should be scheduled to record right now
[04:25] <foxbuntu> McNever, no I mean when you setup the tuner
[04:25] <foxbuntu> one of the options for the ATSC/QAM side of the card is # of recordings at a time
[04:25] <McNever> oh... i see what your saying
[04:26] <foxbuntu> or something along those line
[04:26] <ToeBee> superm1: found someone on the nvidia forums who has run into this: http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t64339.html
[04:26] <McNever> dont think so... let me verify
[04:26] <superm1> ToeBee, well that's a very old version, i'm sure nvidia-settings has changed a bit since then
[04:27] <McNever> foxbuntu, no its set to 1
[04:29] <foxbuntu> McNever, you may also want to verify that the device node is correct in mythtv setup
[04:29] <tmkt> superm1: think this might help?
[04:29] <tmkt> cvs -z8 -d:pserver:anonymous@lirc.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/lirc co lirc
[04:29] <tmkt> ignore that
[04:29] <tmkt> stupid mac
[04:29] <tmkt> http://www.nabble.com/patch-for-lirc_i2c-and-kernel-2.6.31-rc4-td24638204.html
[04:29] <foxbuntu> McNever, as in, if /dev/video1 is or atsc tuner, thats the one in the mythtv-setup for the atsc tuner
[04:30] <foxbuntu> McNever, they like to change device nodes on reboot
[04:30] <ToeBee> superm1: bug 286424
[04:30] <Zinn> Bug 286424 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu) "nvidia-settings crashes when user clicks Save To X Configuration File" [Medium, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/286424
[04:31] <ToeBee> comment number 64 does indeed solve it for me
[04:31] <superm1> tmkt, i bet that's already in 0.8.6
[04:32] <tmkt> oh well
[04:32] <tmkt> guess i'm out of luck
[04:32] <superm1> tmkt, talk to j-rod
[04:32] <foxbuntu> McNever, if you are not sure which device node is correct for the atsc side of the tuner: dmesg | grep cx18
[04:32] <McNever> foxbuntu, yeah it looks good for the analog side, not sure how to check the dig. side or if it works the same way
[04:32] <superm1> tmkt, he's in #mythtv-users
[04:32] <superm1> he's the one who has done tons of work on lirc-i2c
[04:32] <tmkt> he's in lirc also
[04:33] <tmkt> not saying much
[04:33] <foxbuntu> McNever, did you setup the seperate tuners in mythtv-setup?
[04:33] <superm1> well he might not be in front of his pc
[04:33] <superm1> ToeBee, too bad no one has a good fix for nvidia-settings there
[04:33] <superm1> jsut ways to fix the xorg.conf
[04:33] <tmkt> yeah..lirc is a pretty slow channel
[04:33] <foxbuntu> McNever, the HVR-1800 requires two tuners/input devices in mythtv-setup
[04:33] <ToeBee> yeah it's a band-aid
[04:34] <tmkt> using my iphone right now to control my system
[04:34] <tmkt> but a pain
[04:34] <ToeBee> heh also, my phone filled up it's text message inbox. I have my IRC client set up to text me whenever I am nickalerted :)
[04:35] <McNever> foxbuntu, correct one is dev/video0 which appears to correct the other is just listed as DVB:0
[04:35] <foxbuntu> McNever, there should be a device node for DVB0
[04:36] <foxbuntu> McNever, let me check my 1600, same card but on PCI
[04:38] <McNever> foxbuntu, humm... i thought the 1800's were pci... just looked up the pics and this is a 1600... sorry for the miss info
[04:38] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:39] <foxbuntu> McNever, well then
[04:39] <foxbuntu> McNever, that makes things a little easier, I have my 1600 working
[04:39] <McNever> woot
[04:39] <foxbuntu> just let me pull up my backend config
[04:42] <McNever> cool thats nice... do you have your setup as the v4l or the mjpeg... i've read people saying you have to one or the other...
[04:42] <McNever> cant remember what i had on my old backend
[04:43] <foxbuntu> McNever, that wrong both ways
[04:43] <foxbuntu> McNever, the option for the ATSC/QAM side is DVB DTV Capture Car (v3.x)
[04:44] <foxbuntu> McNever, the you should see it populate the device node to something like: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[04:46] <superm1> ToeBee, rhpot1991 okay nvidia 185.18.36-0ubuntu6 should have this fixed
[04:47] <McNever> foxbuntu, yes i do see that
[04:48] <foxbuntu> McNever, that should do it fr ya
[04:48] <ToeBee> wow there are a lot of updates even to this morning's CD!
[04:49] <McNever> foxbuntu, huh?
[04:49] <McNever> foxbuntu, i think i missed a step, we didnt change anything?
[04:49] <foxbuntu> McNever, configure the card with those options rather than the ones you are using now
[04:50] <foxbuntu> McNever, the DVB fot HD, and IVTV for Analog side
[04:50] <foxbuntu> then try the tuner again, it *should* work
[04:57] <McNever> foxbuntu, yeah sorry i miss read the stuff above the first time the IVTV analog side is setup that way now
[04:58] <foxbuntu> ok
[04:58] <foxbuntu> McNever, let me know how testing goes
[04:58] <McNever> the dig side just lists as 0
[04:58] <foxbuntu> as 0?
[04:58] <McNever> no change
[04:58] <foxbuntu> 0 where?
[04:58] <McNever> the field is DVB Device number
[04:59] <foxbuntu> well you may have to type it in, I have seen that
[04:59] <foxbuntu> McNever, check to see if this exists: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[05:00] <McNever> yeah it exists... thats what i checked before when i said 'yeah i see that'
[05:00] <McNever> but i cant type in the field its just a drop down '0' is the only option
[05:00] <foxbuntu> you should be able o ype in it still
[05:00] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:01] <McNever> frontend ID is showing as a samsung was like that on the last machine though...
[05:01] <foxbuntu> McNever, are you using the -fixes or -truck build of mythtv?
[05:01] <McNever> no clue... pulled the livecd from mythbuntu.org
[05:01] <McNever> installed from that
[05:02] <foxbuntu> ok, grab the weekly build package from our site
[05:02] <foxbuntu> do you ahve any frontend systems yet?
[05:03] <McNever> yeah
[05:03] <McNever> i feel like a tool, but how do i grab the build your talking about?
[05:03] <foxbuntu> ....and which livecd did you grab, 9.04 or 9.10?
[05:03] <McNever> they should all be 9.04
[05:03] <foxbuntu> http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[05:04] <foxbuntu> just download that package, install it (sudo dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb), sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:04] <foxbuntu> you will want to use it on your frontend machines as well
[05:06] <foxbuntu> don't select the PPA option
[05:07] <McNever> foxbuntu, ok... thanks i'll let you know how it works out
[05:07] <foxbuntu> ok
[05:17] <McNever> foxbuntu, do i want to let it upgrade me to .22?
[05:18] <foxbuntu> McNever, if you dont mind doing testing, .22 is fairly stable but unreleased
[05:18] <foxbuntu> McNever, there are some huge changes in .22
[05:19] <McNever> does 'watch tv' work ;)
[05:19] <McNever> i'll stick with .21 for now
[05:21] <McNever> foxbuntu, do i need to anything other than restart the service after that is done?
[05:21] <foxbuntu> depends on what updates got applied
[05:22] <foxbuntu> is there were any kernel updates or such, you need to rebot
[05:22] <foxbuntu> I would suggest a reboot just to be sure
[05:25] <foxbuntu> McNever, alright gtg for a bit bbl
[05:39] <ToeBee> hmm well I just restored my database from my previous mythbox... wonder if it will "just work" :)
[05:43] <ToeBee> wow schedulesdirect is running SLOW tonight
[05:44] <ToeBee> seems like I'm getting one packet at a time or something
[05:54] <ToeBee> wow! looks like things are working for the most part!
[05:54] <ToeBee> all the tuner settings are there... "watch TV" worked on the first try
[05:59] <Seventoes> does mythbuntu automatically make a system partition and a data partition?
[06:00] <superm1> Seventoes, depends on the version
[06:01] <superm1> 9.10 makes one big one for you
[06:01] <superm1> 9.04 does two
[06:05] <Seventoes> k, im about to replace my .04 with .10 anyways
[06:07]  * ToeBee just did
[06:07] <Seventoes> howsit workin?
[06:09] <ToeBee> well it's been a bumpy ride over the past couple of days (dealing with bugs in the liveCDs and such)
[06:09] <ToeBee> but as of now it seems to be working pretty well
[06:10] <ToeBee> I restored a database backup and it remembered my tuner and recording schedules
[06:10] <Seventoes> im installing from iso on a thumb drive, so im assuming ill hit the same livecd issues?
[06:11] <ToeBee> well which iso? I was using the daily builds
[06:12] <Seventoes> the one on the download page
[06:12] <Seventoes> http://mythbuntu.org/9.10/beta
[06:12] <ToeBee> ah ok the beta... I think that one worked except for some sound problems that were probably specific to my hardware
[06:13] <Seventoes> is there a nightly iso i could download? i dont wanna be reporting old bugs
[06:13] <ToeBee> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/
[06:13] <Seventoes> cool
[06:14] <Seventoes> are themes as pretty as they look in the screenshots? lol
[06:14] <ToeBee> the current one booted fine but X did have a problem after restarting and booting to the fresh install
[06:14] <Seventoes> howjda fix?
[06:16] <ToeBee> bug 450865
[06:16] <Zinn> Bug 450865 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-185-kernel-source_185.18.36-0ubuntu5 not installing correctly, blank screen on reboot" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/450865
[06:16] <ToeBee> only affects it if you are using the nvidia binary driver
[06:16] <Seventoes> ah nvidia
[06:16] <Seventoes> kk
[06:17] <ToeBee> also, be prepared for huge numbers of updates on a daily basis :)
[06:18] <Seventoes> "Hey my TV is updating!"
[06:18] <superm1> Seventoes, if you wait about 45 minutes a new nighly gets posted at 1:06am
[06:18] <superm1> (central time)
[06:18] <Seventoes> download is 45 minutes away from finishing anyways lol
[06:18] <Seventoes> might as well
[06:20] <ToeBee> hmm not sure my remote is working out of the box
[06:20] <ToeBee> then again it didn't totally work before either
[06:20] <superm1> ToeBee, do the updates, we just bumped to lirc 0.8.6
[06:20] <ToeBee> I just used a wiimote
[06:21] <superm1> and need the new kernel to go with it
[06:21] <ToeBee> hmm I did updates maybe an hour ago
[06:21] <ToeBee> these changes newer than that?
[06:21] <superm1> nope
[06:21] <superm1> well yeah there are updates since then, but none relevant
[06:24]  * ToeBee wonders why things are running so slowly
[06:24] <ToeBee> oh wait that would be the rsync of all the recordings I'm doing
[06:25] <Seventoes> anyone know how to get 9.10 booting with grub (not grub 2)
[06:25] <Seventoes> the same entry as 9.04 in menu.lst isn't working
[06:26] <ToeBee> hmm are you using the ubuntu startup disk creator?
[06:27] <Seventoes> mapping the iso
[06:27] <ToeBee> ah. the startup disk creator didn't work for me (grub error) but unetbootin has worked great
[06:28] <Seventoes> i am using a usb drive i have other OSes on so i'd rather stick with grub
[06:28] <Seventoes> since im using it to boot about 10 other things lol
[06:28] <ToeBee> heh
[06:29] <ToeBee> not sure what unetbootin uses
[06:29] <Seventoes> well my myth box doesnt have a cd drive so i need to figure it out :(
[06:29] <ToeBee> ah probably isolinux or syslinux
[06:31] <ToeBee> yeah... not sure what to say
[06:31] <Seventoes> hrrmm
[06:36] <ToeBee> hmm yeah lirc won't start up
[07:11] <ToeBee> tried recording my own lirc config file and got lircd to start but irw is not registering any buttons
[07:14] <superm1> whats ure remote?
[07:15] <ToeBee> came with my pinnacle 800i tuner card
[07:17] <ToeBee> tiny little thing. http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/P121-8168/P121-8168-out7-hl.jpg
[07:18] <ToeBee> it looks like the pinnacle remotes that have existing configs in lirc are much more... "functional" than this one. Probably satelite receiver remotes and such
[07:22] <ToeBee> actually... I wonder if I could program the empty slot on my universal remote to some random device and then record IR signals from that to use with lirc
[07:22] <ToeBee> that would be kinda hot
[07:33] <ToeBee> well now this could be a problem. lircd-0.8.6[2551]: config file contains no valid remote control definition
[07:38] <superm1> checkout /etc/lirc/lircd.conf?
[07:40] <ToeBee> yeah I got it to recognize my recorded config now and irw generates output
[07:41] <ToeBee> it complained about the config file when I used an "include" but when I cat'ed the file directly to the end of lircd.conf it worked
[07:41] <ToeBee> still not affecting anything in mythtv... but that may be a problem for tomorrow
[08:10] <ToeBee> I lied
[08:11]  * ToeBee now has volume, mute, pause, FF and rew working
[08:12] <ToeBee> and channel
[08:20] <ToeBee> ok to do any more is going to require more use of irrecord. Definitely time for bed now
[09:33] <IanCal> Hi, I'm trying to set up my remote (hauppage nova-t 500 PCI card, mythbuntu 9.04) but "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" gives nothing related to a remote. Any clues as to where to go from here?
[13:48] <tmkt> Iancal..nothing in /dev/lirc0?
[14:17] <tmkt> morning
[14:40] <IanCal> tmkt, thanks for the reply, sorry if it was some time ago! I've only got /dev/lircd
[14:42] <tmkt> your lirc modules are loaded?
[14:42] <tmkt> lsmod|grep lirc
[14:47] <IanCal> aha!
[14:47] <IanCal> no
[15:10] <IanCal> I can modprobe the modules I think I need (lirc_ic2 and lirc_dev) but I'm not sure where to go from there. Do I need them inserted at boot-time to see a difference in /dev or /proc/bus... ?
[15:13] <IanCal> I've restarted lircd (driver devinput, device /dev/lirc0) but there's still no lirc0
[15:24] <sbak> ls
[15:43] <ToeBee> dir
[16:53] <IanCal> Hi all. I've been trying to get my hauppauge nova-t 500 remote working (mythbuntu 9.04) and have now got a /dev/input/irremote and all the expected output in dmesg, but nothing from irw, cat /dev/input/irremote
[16:53] <IanCal> any clues for things I should check?
[16:54] <IanCal> I've got the v4l drivers from mecurial (needed to get anything to do with the remote working) and have followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140411
[17:01] <rgd> There is a " missing at REMOTE_DEVICE="/dev/input/irremote  line of /etc/lirc/hardware.conf in that forum post, which always used to catch me out.
[17:21] <IanCal> thanks, I filled that in, but still haven't got IR to work
[18:19] <McNever> im having some issues with my frontend...
[18:19] <McNever> was running ok but i think i broke troubleshooting my new backend i just turned up last night
[18:20] <McNever> i uninstalled and reinstalled mythtv last night and now when i go to 'watchtv' i get choppy audio and no video...
[18:21] <McNever> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f29fc9499
[18:22] <McNever> i've pasted my logs above... any help would be great
[18:25] <hume> hi...is there a mythbuntu-package for ppc? cannot find on the mythbuntu.org-page.....?
[18:25] <superm1> hume, if you install ppc ubuntu, all the mythbuntu packages should be available
[18:25] <hume> superm1, thing is, i'd need it as a live cd....
[18:26] <superm1> but we dont make ISOs
[18:26] <hume> anyway to run myth from a live cd on a ppc then.....suggestions?
[18:26] <superm1> beats me
[18:26] <hume> :)
[18:26] <hume> makes two of us
[18:27] <superm1> there are ubuntu disks for ppc
[18:27] <superm1> that's all i know
[18:27] <hume> ok...thx...
[18:27] <hume> got a solv it through that i guess
[18:50] <McNever> ok addition to the earlier issue... i apparently have no video in vlc or mplayer as well... w32codec is installed, i tried reinstalling it but no change
[19:27] <tmkt> superm1: working with j-rod...haven't made any progress yet..
[19:28] <tmkt> but he is super helpful
[19:29] <superm1> tmkt, glad you touched bases.  i'm sure he'll  be able to help you get it sorted out
[19:29] <tmkt> yup. could be a big issue when mythbuntu launches
[19:29] <tmkt> seems these cards are rather popular
[19:30] <tmkt> but then again..who knows..
[19:30] <tmkt> silly card comes with black remote which is mceusb
[19:30] <tmkt> and the grey remote which is i2c.
[19:36] <superm1> well if you and j-rod come up with a patch, we can at least document how to apply it with lirc-modules-source
[19:36] <superm1> and then plan for getting it in a kernel update
[19:38] <tmkt> when is it going to be released?
[19:38] <tmkt> gotta be pretty soon
[19:39] <tmkt> ah
[19:39] <tmkt> still 15 days until ubuntu releases 9.10
[19:43] <superm1> yeah same for us
[19:43] <superm1> so we'll have to probably do a kernel update with this patch when it's ready
[19:47] <superm1>  mrand i tracked down when bug 413789 was fixed.  anyone who dist-upgrades after the 12th from jaunty should have a clean dist-upgrade
[19:47] <Zinn> Bug 413789 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "mysql-server has been kept back with dist-upgrading" [High, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/413789
[19:47] <superm1> so in theory we've got no more dist-upgrade problems
[20:15] <mrand> superm1: yay!
[20:16] <McNever> ok guys... so i've go video working, but now it seems i dont have audio out of my analog channels, works fine with dig channels
[20:16] <McNever> fyi i've got a hauppauge hvr1600 so they're configured at 2 tuners
[20:17] <McNever> if i download the video clips through mythweb they have audio, as a matter of fact if i download them on my frontend and play them through mplayer they have audio... just not through myth
[20:17] <McNever> any ideas?
[22:02] <gunni> McNever: Is pulseaudio running?
[23:13] <leprasmurf> hello all.  I recently upgraded some packages and now mythvideo isn't working/installed
[23:14] <leprasmurf> I've found the issue is python-imdbpy, which says it relies on python < 2.6 but I can't uninstall python 2.6 because too many other things depend on it
[23:15] <leprasmurf> I've found that python 2.5 and 2.6 are both installed.  has anyone run into this before?
[23:54] <leprasmurf> helif anyone is interested.  I had to force the version for mythvideo, libmyth-python, and python-imdbpy to the jaunty versions.  They were set to the intrepid versions for some reason.
[23:55] <_ben> odd
[23:56] <leprasmurf> if anyone is interested.  I had to force the version for mythvideo, libmyth-python, and python-imdbpy to the jaunty versions.  They were set to the intrepid versions for some reason.
[23:56] <leprasmurf> sorry, double post
[23:57] <leprasmurf> I may have set a "force version" on those file previously.  who knows :-)
[23:58] <marc_> hi everyone, I have poor dvd playback using mythtv internal player.. is this a known issue? I've googled it a bit and all the information I've found is fairly old.


[00:15] <satti> hi
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[19:31] <darkangel> Any 1 hear about the new UbuntuCenter that is coming out for Ubuntu Users?


[06:13] <mapito> hi :D
[08:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:22] <bashrc> morning
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:38] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[08:39] <bigcalm> I have a server that is struggling with apt-get update and won't do a do-release-upgrade
[08:39] <popey> wat wat?
[08:39] <popey> what release is it on?
[08:39] <popey> lsb_release -a
[08:39] <bigcalm> 12.04.5
[08:39] <popey> and what happens when you "sudo apt-get update"?
[08:40] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054273/
[08:41] <bigcalm> I was pointed at http://askubuntu.com/a/525859 but it didn't help
[08:41] <popey> is this a vps somewhere?
[08:42] <bigcalm> Yes, with Softcat
[08:43] <popey> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <KEY>
[08:43] <popey> tried doing that for each key?
[08:43] <popey> also, tsk root
[08:44] <bigcalm> Why tsk root?
[08:44] <popey> !rootsudo
[08:44] <popey> :)
[08:44] <bigcalm> I understand what sudo is for, but not why you think it's a bad idea
[08:45] <bigcalm> Anyway. I'll drop back to the user and use sudo
[08:45] <bigcalm> I haven't tried adding the keys, will do so
[08:45] <popey> that will likely "fix" it
[08:45] <popey> assuming it's a genuine ubuntu install and not some bastardised rubbish
[08:46] <popey> (some vps providers say its ubuntu but actually they fiddle with it)
[08:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:46] <popey> afternoon
[08:47] <bigcalm> Good night
[08:47] <bigcalm> zzzz
[08:49] <bigcalm> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12054305/
[08:49] <bigcalm> I'll get the client to talk to the hosting company to find out why the connection is timing out
[08:50] <bigcalm> They do odd restrictions with their firewall
[08:53] <popey> does it fail every time?
[08:53] <popey> could be a problem our end of course
[08:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: try pinging gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's fine
[09:03] <popey> can you get to cassava.canonical.com ?
[09:03] <popey> uh, keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ingersoll Day! 😃
[09:10] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[09:11] <jpds> bigcalm: It's more likely that they block port 11371
[09:13] <jpds> bigcalm: Try: hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
[09:18] <bigcalm> jpds: I've passed it back to the client/hosting company. But I'll try what you suggest if they won't unblock the port
[09:19]  * bigcalm heads to bed to fight the ill
[09:20] <bigcalm> Thanks for your help peeps :)
[09:20] <davmor2> JamesTait: this might be cheating but I don't care https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tI1_KlO6xI
[09:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: get well soon dude
[09:20] <bigcalm> o/
[09:21] <JamesTait> davmor2, wrong Ingersoll. 😉
[09:22] <davmor2> JamesTait: I did say it was cheating but I didn't care :)
[09:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: I could of gone for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU
[09:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, Robert Green Ingersoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll
[09:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: You'll prefer the time ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bp2Eqrvuis
[09:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: and as  for freethought agnosticism songs go you can't beat this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
[09:29] <awilkins> Whoa, Firefox just started putting up "suggested" tabs in my new tab page
[09:29] <awilkins> Do Not Like.
[09:29] <awilkins> Is there a way to disable that?
[09:30] <davmor2> awilkins: use w3m
[09:31] <davmor2> awilkins: I think most browsers do it by default now
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> i switched new tab to just show blank page
[09:34] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/126412784207/the-very-first-time-you-are-handed-access-to
[09:37] <bashrc> access to production?
[09:37]  * mgdm avoids getting access to production whereever possible
[09:41] <bashrc> production as opposed to prototype
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> and new versions of firefox will only run signed extensions.  it's like mozilla wants to kill firefox
[09:42] <bashrc> maybe so
[09:43] <bashrc> does that have implications for iceweasel?
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> make it more popular?
[09:44] <awilkins> Iceweasel is AFAIK just a hack around "Firefox" being a trademark
[09:44] <awilkins> And thus not shippable by a strictly "Free Software" distro
[09:46] <awilkins> "they will be basically identical" : Debian dev mailing list
[09:46] <awilkins> It might take longer to get those changes, because it's the Debian Stable version
[15:34] <diddledan> I crave sweeties
[15:51]  * awilkins considers making an off-colour joke about how "it's not politically correct to call them 'sweeties' any more" but backs down
[16:01] <diddledan> awilkins: what's more appropriate?
[16:02] <diddledan> awilkins: maybe "hot mamas"?
[16:02] <awilkins> "schoolgirls"
[16:02] <diddledan> lol
[16:02] <diddledan> I'm not sure I'd get away with chasing schoolgirls these days
[16:05] <shauno> cardio  *nods*
[16:06] <diddledan> I'm not sure that's a valid excuse
[16:07] <diddledan> might be worth suggesting it to every 80s icon for when they're next in line for the paedo-hunt
[16:08] <diddledan> speaking of, have we still got any left?
[16:08] <shauno> well, the chuckle brothers are still squeaky clean, surprisingly
[16:08] <diddledan> wow
[16:08] <diddledan> that really is shocking
[16:09] <shauno> also, the island was great fun.  hoping I can go back next year
[16:42] <bashrc> Ubuntu One server open sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced
[16:45] <bashrc> this is a "code over the side" thing, but still good
[16:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh86tegf56e2a00/IMG_20150811_173451.jpg?dl=0
[16:52] <daftykins> ASRock Ion330 -> Amazon FireTV ^_^
[17:08] <diddledan> daftykins: are those firetvs any good?
[17:09] <diddledan> ssl certificate chains - which order do they need to be? i.e. root -> intermediate -> server or vicky verky?
[17:10] <daftykins> well i just sideloaded Kodi and it's playing bluray rips off my file server over wired LAN
[17:10] <diddledan> heh
[17:10] <daftykins> so... yeah if you ignore HEVC and 4K content which is obviously thin on the ground still, it's great for the £49 delivered i got it for
[17:14] <shauno> I'm screaming at kodi at the moment :/
[17:22] <diddledan> ooh, sky are giving me some monies
[17:22] <diddledan> golden handshake :-p
[17:22] <diddledan> I left them last month and it seems they want to reimburse me for the privilege
[17:23] <daftykins> shauno: oh?
[17:24] <daftykins> https://medium.com/@ValdikSS/beware-of-windows-10-dns-resolver-and-dns-leaks-5bc5bfb4e3f1
[17:24] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:25] <shauno> I can't get it to add movies to the library anymore :/
[17:25] <shauno> figured it was because I have an ancient version of xbmc, so I tried kodi instead, same deal
[17:26] <daftykins> did you let it take over your whole profile? i.e. ~/.xbmc -> ~/.kodi ?
[17:26] <daftykins> always good to start afresh when changing version imo, regardless of what they say
[17:26] <daftykins> otherwise enabling full debug logging might show it up
[17:26] <shauno> nope, they're on different devices
[17:27] <daftykins> what scraper do you use? is it film or TV?
[17:27] <daftykins> ah movies you said
[17:27] <maps> what to watch
[17:27] <shauno> yeah, I'm playing with alternatives atm.
[17:28] <shauno> just annoyed because I've never had to mess with this before.  it just worked
[17:29] <daftykins> i always install the universal scraper and leave it set to IMDb
[17:30] <daftykins> default comes from TMDb which i don't care for the ratings from :)
[17:33] <maps> 2hr break at home..do i watch home... LEGO.Justice.League.Attack.of.the.Legion.of.Doom entourage or entourage or don jon hmm
[17:35] <daftykins> watch less get out more ;)
[17:35] <maps> ive got a 2hr break a work i meant
[17:35] <maps> didnt mean to say home
[17:35] <maps> lol
[17:38] <shauno> I'm just grumpy because it used to work fine
[17:39] <brobostigon> you havent talked to my gf then, grumpyness, wooops.
[17:39] <brobostigon> sorry.
[17:40] <brobostigon> or what she thinks of me, to be precise.
[17:40] <brobostigon> sorry again.
[17:48] <shauno> that's different.  this used to work :p
[17:52] <daftykins> XD
[18:04] <daftykins> i need to stop watching this film i fired up for testing
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the film of course...
[18:58] <diddledan> look what I just got going! https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4eg05hzu9oqix2/gem-desktop.png?dl=0
[18:58] <shauno> and I thought I was bored
[18:58] <daftykins> Lenovo in shocker - forcing software installs (allegedly) from the EFI into vanilla Windows installs
[18:59] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693
[18:59] <daftykins> no idea if this is legit
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure it's covered in the 30 page eula somewhere
[19:01] <daftykins> ugh your comments are always the same ;/
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> if gem had a decent browser, email client, text editor and tools i'd give it a bash
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> i have a unopened pi2 and i keep thinking of trying risc os on it...
[19:02] <diddledan> I've got one of those, too, unopened
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> my current pi b is still doing it's job well...
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> I installed Debian on my desktop, and it "feels" a lot faster somehow. Like when I ssh in, it's almost instant instead of the 0.5 second delay I got on ubuntu
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> what could be causing that?
[19:13] <Nokaji> MartijnVdS: As I understand it (and i know nothing), ubuntu is an all bells and whistles version, kubuntu and lubuntu are lighter weight for perhaps older systems, all of them are light compared to windows though
[19:14] <daftykins> lol.
[19:21] <DJones> I always think of kubuntu as being heavier on resources than Ubuntu (but not used it since gnome 2 days, so maybe just comparing it to that)
[19:24] <Nokaji> you could be right, I'm simply quoting one of the professional reviewers on youtube, they all have different stances, but I have to start somewhere
[19:25] <shauno> I gotta admit, it's been a whole long time since I considered ubuntu lightweight
[19:25] <daftykins> :D
[19:25] <Nokaji> it comes down to using the same kernel (kde/gnome) and then the choice of applications ... a.i.u.i.
[19:28] <Nokaji> plus of course whatever we are calling the HMI bit composed of unity or other options
[19:29] <Nokaji> I'm ofc open to better explanations/interpretations as I'm just getting started myself, really
[19:33] <DJones> shauno: Probably right there, I tried using kubuntu on a 10 year laptop about 4-5 years ago & it was struggling, now I'm on a new i7 with 8gb ram & ssd,so ubuntu flies
[19:35] <diddledan> I've decided I like systemd
[19:35] <diddledan> user-jobs are funkyawesome!
[19:36] <diddledan> no more futzing around with sudo
[19:36] <diddledan> or weird cron entries for @reboob
[19:38] <Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag
[19:39] <daftykins> no, ubuntu has all of them - but 'ubuntu' in name just comes with unity as default
[19:40] <daftykins> they can have unity removed or just another installed beside, making it more akin to xubuntu for xfce, kubuntu for KDE, etc etc
[19:41] <shauno> it's a weird one to pin down.  eg, his example of ssh'ing in shouldn't be affected by which desktop it has
[19:41] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: does debian have all the same automagic networking cruft that ubuntu does these days?
[19:42] <Nokaji> Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another, too or filling up your drive with additional s/w but I was attempting to compare the stock versions.
[19:42] <daftykins> Nokaji: how do you claim debian to have a choice and ubuntu not, then?
[19:42] <Nokaji> when did i say that?
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I am using network-manager
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: what other automagic network stuff is there?
[19:43] <daftykins> Nokaji: above when you said debian has a choice but ubuntu just comes with unity?
[19:43] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: all that dnsmasq rubbish
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: ah yeah I have that too
[19:44] <Nokaji> daftykins: you are confusing what i said, i'm referring to stock versions
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> maybe something doesn't do a DNS lookup where Ubuntu does though
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> who knows
[19:44] <daftykins> Nokaji: no i'm asking what you meant by how debian offers a choice but ubuntu doesn't
[19:44] <daftykins> just the whole tickbox installer affair?
[19:45] <Nokaji> daftykins: never said that at all
[19:45] <daftykins> 20:38 < Nokaji> hmh, apparently debian has a choice of desktops but ubuntu just the one (unity) so that doesn't quite explain the lag
[19:45] <Nokaji> if anything i said the opposite
[19:45] <Nokaji> again, i'm referring to stock versions
[19:45] <daftykins> ok you keep going around in circles, i was just asking what you meant but i guess you don't know either :)
[19:47] <Nokaji> daftykins: we can keep going around in circles but i already answered what you are now asking - (20:42:03) Nokaji: Indeed, and you can spend time converting one distro into another - - obviously when you start modifying it form stock, you are going to affect the resultys so it makes eminent sense to refer back to sa known/stock version
[19:50] <Nokaji> daftykins: why not answer MartijnVdS's question instead of spending your time laughing at me?
[19:50] <daftykins> i'm not laughing, i asked you a genuine question to understand what you meant and you're flying off the handle
[19:51] <Nokaji> i am?
[19:51] <daftykins> mmhmm
[19:51] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: what version of debian and what version of ubuntu?
[19:52] <ali1234> my best guess would be something involving socket activation, but they should both be on systemd now
[19:53] <shauno> could it be something simple like the system info banner that ubuntu has on ssh?
[19:53] <ali1234> maybe
[19:54] <shauno> (also, why does 'date' report my time as IST.  argh!)
[19:54] <daftykins> that's true
[19:54] <ali1234> or maybe it's that weird DNS proxy stuff
[19:54] <diddledan> shauno: is that islamic state time?
[19:54] <shauno> nope, indian standard time.  apparently Ireland is now in bangalore.
[19:54] <daftykins> :D
[19:55] <shauno> seriously, there's genuine names for these timezones.  WET and WEST.  you don't have to invent more just in the mad rush to not have ireland's timezone named bst
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: jessie and .. whatever latest non-dev ubuntu is
[19:56] <shauno> for some reason portugal manages this just fine, but ireland loses its mind and starts inventing names
[19:57] <ali1234> should have systemd then, assuming clean installs
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, both have systemd
[19:57] <ali1234> not sure what happens if you upgrade
[19:57] <ali1234> note you can have systemd without having it managing everything
[19:57] <ali1234> it's a bit of a mess to be honest
[19:57] <ali1234> all that stuff about it being easier for maintainers... no
[19:57] <ali1234> not until the old stuff is dead and buried anyway


[00:24] <abadr> What's the right way to update the runlevels in this job file? http://wiki.nginx.org/Upstart


[04:58] <Mirv> nik90: the only problem is that it's not being installed by default.
[04:59] <Mirv> nik90: I believe it will be fixed when mitya57's https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/kubuntu-packaging/qtlocation-prepare-merge/+merge/212316 branch is merged, since as I suggested qtlocation5-dev there depends on qtpositioning5-dev
[04:59] <Mirv> or no, hmm, the QML plugin still would need to be added somewhere
[07:22] <DanChapman> good morning
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Raisins Day! :-D
[10:17] <justCarakas> are you making these up ? :p
[14:03] <david__> Please anyone with information on how to get the source codes of the core apps?
[14:05] <t1mp> david__: all the core apps are listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[14:05] <t1mp> david__: each core app has a wiki page that links to a launchpad project, and on the launchpad page if you click on "code" at the top, there is an explanation how to get the code for that project
[14:06] <david__> t1mp I don't know how to get the source codes from that page. I've never downloaded source codes from launchpad before. I need help
[14:07] <t1mp> david__: for example file manager app is on : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app
[14:07] <t1mp> david__: if you click on "code" you go to https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app
[14:08] <t1mp> david__: there is a link to browse the source, or you can run "bzr branch lp:ubuntu-filemanager-app" on your ubuntu machine to download a copy of the source code
[14:08] <t1mp> david__: you need to have bazaar installed (apt-get install bzr)
[14:09] <t1mp> david__: for more information about bazaar, see http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[14:09] <t1mp> (or search for "bazaar tutorial")
[15:32] <sergiusens> is there a way to normalize-case a u1db query against a string?
[16:51] <daker> can someone share a screen of how the combobutton looks like ?
[16:55] <nerochiaro_> bfiller: boiko: renato: can anyone of you when they have a minute confirm this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1296832
[16:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1296832 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "PinchArea always reports 1.0 scale when a MouseArea is inside of it" [Critical,New]
[16:57] <boiko> nerochiaro_: it always give me UPDATED 1 0
[16:57] <nerochiaro_> boiko: if you disable the mousearea, does it give you proper values ?
[16:58] <boiko> nerochiaro_: let me see
[16:59] <bfiller> nerochiaro_: how to run this on device?
[16:59] <nerochiaro_> bfiller: qmlscene test.qml --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/gallery-app.desktop (or any other desktop file will work)
[17:00] <bfiller> nerochiaro_: right, thanks
[17:01] <boiko> nerochiaro_: yes, disabling the mousearea makes it work
[17:01] <nerochiaro_> boiko: thanks
[17:38] <skypce> hello all
[17:38] <skypce> do you can help me to rebuild a light-themes package for my own
[17:39] <skypce> i have new files that are not in the original theme
[17:39] <skypce> my problem is
[17:39] <skypce> i use
[17:39] <skypce> edit-patch 33-new-theme
[17:39] <skypce> and create a patch
[17:39] <skypce> but when i apply the patch
[17:39] <skypce> only patch the original files that exist
[17:39] <skypce> if are new files do not include
[17:39] <skypce> :S
[17:50] <qtros> popey ping
[17:51] <popey> qtros: yo
[17:51] <qtros> popey hello! :)
[17:51] <skypce> hello
[17:51] <skypce> do you can help me to make a deb package?
[17:51] <qtros> popey do you have a little of free time? :)
[17:52] <popey> wassup?
[17:52] <skypce> :)
[17:52] <skypce> i have a modified adwaita cupertino theme
[17:52] <skypce> i am trying to make a deb package
[17:52] <skypce> but dont include the new package all the theme files
[17:52] <skypce> :S
[17:52] <skypce> i go to smoke
[17:53] <skypce> back in a moment
[17:53] <qtros> popey do you remember about my idea of porting Twitter client? :) It's ready for first testing :) you can find it here lp:twimgo
[17:53] <popey> yay
[17:54] <qtros> popey please note that I ported it with original design (with exception of buttons)
[17:55] <popey> qtros: it fails the click-reviewers-tools
[17:55] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7147408/ qtros
[17:56] <qtros> popey I tested running only from IDE for now =\
[17:56] <popey> ah okay ☻
[17:56] <popey> you can run the tools yourself to make sure it's all good
[17:56] <popey> they're at https://launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools
[17:57] <popey> you need to run bin/click-run-checks path/to/your/click
[17:57] <qtros> popey ok I'll prepare click for you little bit later :)
[17:57] <popey> ok, cool
[17:57] <popey> does it need an API key or something?
[17:57] <popey> it gives a 401 error
[17:58] <popey> probably needs oath token or something?
[17:58] <qtros> popey yep, auth window must be shown at start :)
[17:58] <popey> hmm..
[17:59] <qtros> popey strange ...
[17:59] <qtros> popey I tested only on PC for now
[17:59] <qtros> popey but all is ok with auth... can you share screens? :) And console output, if possible :)
[17:59] <popey> one moment
[18:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7147422/
[18:00] <popey> brb, kids home from school...
[18:00] <rpadovani> popey, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-calculator-app/first_packaging_review/+merge/210554 ?
[18:01] <rpadovani> It's about packaging
[18:45] <rpadovani> mhall119, I'm preparing a video for you ;-)
[18:47] <mhall119> rpadovani: about how to win 2048?
[18:47] <rpadovani> mhall119, yap :D
[18:48] <mhall119> \o/
[18:48] <rpadovani> Indeed, how to create a 4096 tile from a 2048 one, but it's the same thing ;-)
[18:50] <qtros> popey here you are - few screens http://ubuntuone.com/01tyyJuwjznwjhwS9IzadE
[19:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: hello
[19:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: I have a different fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1295720 than what I proposed first
[19:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295720 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "When a panel is open it blocks some mouse events to the rest of the page" [Critical,In progress]
[19:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: I thought I should completely remove the InverseMouseArea that closes the panel when the user clicks on the contents
[19:54] <t1mp> ahayzen: but I am not sure about that now. I changed the code to close then panel on a "pressed" of the contents
[19:54] <t1mp> ahayzen: I'll try to catch a designer tomorrow to discuss this. But if you like you can test the branch I linked to the bug.
[19:55] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok thanks i'll have a look later :)
[19:56] <ahayzen> t1mp, i guess it depends how we want the panel to act, as in should events be allowed on the rest of the page or should the panel have to be dismissed first
[19:57] <ahayzen> t1mp, but in the case of the music app's toolbar, at least on the desktop, we want to force the panel to be shown and there are other states where we want it to be shown with events still being passed to the page
[19:58] <t1mp> ahayzen: you can still lock it with the locked property
[19:58] <ahayzen> t1mp, yep :)
[19:58] <t1mp> ahayzen: the question is, when it is not locked, should the panel close when the user interacts with the app contents?
[19:59] <t1mp> ahayzen: I don't know what the answer is, so I leave the InverseMouseArea there for now. But using onPressed instead of onClicked fixes the bug you had
[20:00] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok, i could see arguments for both sides probably best to ask the designer as u said ;)
[20:23] <gerlowskija> Has anyone run into this error running the autopilot tests for the weather app?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7148042/
[20:24] <gerlowskija> I'm pretty sure I'm missing a package or something, but wanted to check I'm on the right track.
[21:44] <popey> gerlowskija: running them on the desktop or device?
[21:45] <popey> gerlowskija: balloons is the best person to answer...
[21:46] <balloons> gerlowskija, you are running them how?
[21:46] <gerlowskija> desktop (thanks for the help).
[21:47] <balloons> so under tests/autopilot?
[21:47] <gerlowskija> Yep
[21:49] <balloons> i've not seen it no. python2 or python3?
[21:50] <balloons> mm.. ohh gerlowskija so you have ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot?
[21:51] <gerlowskija> I'm running the command as: "autopilot run ubuntu_weather_app".  And python --version gives "2.7.5+"
[21:51] <gerlowskija> And I did! but I tried to upgrade all my packages and ended up removing it.
[21:52] <balloons> gerlowskija, :-) You need it. That's the issue
[21:52] <gerlowskija> ok.  I had it when I originally posted my question.  I just removed it as I was trying to fix
[21:54] <balloons> gerlowskija, give it an install and see if that fixes you.. I just pulled trunk and indeed it works fine here
[21:54] <gerlowskija> Running "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot gives: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7148457/.
[21:55] <balloons> gerlowskija, what version of ubuntu are you running? and what does autopilot --version say?
[21:55] <gerlowskija> 13.10, and: 1.4+14.04.20131125bzr409saucy0
[21:59] <balloons> mmm.. I'm on trusty and running much newer.. i take it you don't have a ppa for autopilot right?
[22:00] <gerlowskija> I ran "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa" back when I was installing everything so I think so.
[22:11] <gerlowskija> I might've just put myself in a bad place package-wise.  I might try removing all the related packages and starting from scratch; unless you have a better suggestion?


[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[02:02] <tonyyarusso> erm, we seem to no longer have a bot in my loco channel.  Who's handling that stuff these days?
[02:24] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #Ubuntu Tyoons I would like compensation for ubuntu ruining the life of my machine. I am wondering who to sue.
[02:25] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #ubuntu tyoons ...I would like compensation for ubuntu ruining the life of my machine. I am wondering who to sue.
[02:58] <tonyyarusso> Jack_Sparrow: Did you tell him to 'cat /etc/motd' ?
[02:59] <Jack_Sparrow> tonyyarusso, He had all the links, he was just on a rant in pm and the only thing he wanted to know or discuss was who to sue
[03:00] <Jack_Sparrow> He is still around if you want to try and discuss it with him
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> eh, no real reason to
[03:01] <tonyyarusso> Just pointing out that the OS ships with the answer to that very question, and the answer is "you have no case whatsoever - have fun burning money in legal fees"
[03:01] <Jack_Sparrow> He had no intention of discussing anything..
[04:47] <Flannel> DrDerek could use a removal in -ot
[04:49] <nickrud>   Flannel whatever happened to access list changes in -ot?
[04:49] <Flannel> nickrud: Red Tape
[04:49] <nickrud> gah, whatever happened to the fire first think later op system we all knew and loved ;)
[04:51] <Flannel> nickrud: Same thing that happens to everything:  Bureaucracy is put into place to handle some stuff, and then is used for everything once its in place
[04:54] <nickrud> I think I'm going to be absent a little more: every time I sit down to watch/help #ubuntu, I NEED A CIGARETTE
[05:20] <wastrel> ubottu: locale
[05:21] <wastrel> localeconf package no longer exists, doc needs updating or trigger should be removed
[05:23] <nickrud> handled
[05:23] <nickrud> localeconf has been gone for a few releases now ...
[05:26] <Flannel> Still relevant for Dapper
[05:27] <nickrud> there's a command that can change locales in hardy (used it) but for the life of me I can't remember
[06:35] <Flannel> What is Paddy_EIRE going on about?
[06:36] <wastrel> thinks josh is using neighbor's open wifi without permission
[06:36] <Flannel> wastrel: erm... please don't idle here :)
[06:36] <nickrud> he's said he has permission ...
[06:36] <wastrel> oki
[06:37] <wastrel> i forgot i was in here actually :]
[07:51] <Paddy_EIRE> hey homecable in #ubuntu is trying to send me all sorts of nasty things.. could he/she be kicked?
[07:52] <Flannel> Paddy_EIRE: Send how?
[07:52] <Paddy_EIRE> Flannel, offensive mp3's
[07:52] <Flannel> Paddy_EIRE: right, but ... oh DCC?
[07:52] <Paddy_EIRE> recordings of himself or something
[07:52] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah dcc
[07:53] <Flannel> I'll look into it, thanks.  Any idea why you?
[07:53] <Paddy_EIRE> he has stopped.. for now :)
[07:53] <Paddy_EIRE> Flannel, I dont recognise the nick
[07:53] <Flannel> Paddy_EIRE: alright, thanks for the heads up
[07:53] <Paddy_EIRE> I guess I will wait it out.. :)
[07:53] <Paddy_EIRE> best way
[08:00] <Flannel> Hi homecable, how can we help you?
[08:02] <homecable> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3UhYFzaKMI
[08:02] <homecable> :P
[08:02] <homecable> i'm going to give you hell !!!!!!
[08:02] <Flannel> homecable: This channel is for administrative discussion.  Is there something you had to discuss?
[08:04] <Flannel> homecable: Once again, please don't send unsolicited files to random people, nor should you query them with offtopic things.
[08:07] <Flannel> homecable: If there's nothing we can help you with, please don't idle here.
[08:25] <tritium> Flannel: anything that can be done for dholbach in #ubuntu-irc regarding his request to register #ubuntu-classroom-de?
[08:40] <Myrtti> good morning people
[08:41] <tritium> Good morning, Myrtti.
[08:41] <tritium> Myrtti: if you get a chance, can you please see the recent scrollback in #ubuntu-irc, and see if there's anything that we can do for dholbach?
[08:43] <Myrtti> will do, once I get my second cup of tea
[08:44] <tritium> Thanks, Myrtti!  I'm off to bed.  Have a good day!  :)
[08:47] <Myrtti> I probably don't have enough privileges myself, but will check
[08:47] <Flannel> I think it'll have to be a Council person
[08:49] <Myrtti> yeah, I don't have enough muscle to do a thing
[08:49] <Myrtti> /ns myaccess
[08:49] <Myrtti> no -classroom there :-<
[08:55] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Aurax about away
[08:55] <bazhang> homecable, is there something else?
[08:56] <Myrtti> I think I might need a third cup
[08:57] <bazhang> homecable, please dont idle here as per the channel topic
[08:57] <Myrtti> When in Rome, do as Romans - I decided I will not have coffee while here
[08:57] <Flannel> Myrtti: yay tea!
[08:59] <Myrtti> I might need to knit a tea cozy
[09:04] <topyli> i also saw you saying "miles"
[09:07] <Myrtti> topyli: after Seeker` used it ;-)
[09:08] <topyli> okay then :)
[10:27] <Flannel> Oops, that should've had a different reason.  Oh well
[10:27] <Flannel> that's what queries are for I suppose
[11:13] <Flannel> Myrtti: mind helping homecable find his way out of here?
[11:14] <Flannel> Thankee
[12:14] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[13:10] <Tm_T> jussi01_: alive?
[13:25] <jussi01_> yes
[13:25] <jussi01_> Tm_T:
[13:25] <Tm_T> jussi01_: ah, good
[13:28] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell D-- about away
[13:37] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:38] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #ubuntu sambagirl i was told that president obama is going to make an executive order requiring everyone to use Ubuntu ;) Then she just got rude in PM
[13:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti,  Gotta love this.. <sambagirl> kiss my ass. i will speak to seveas about this.
[13:39] <Pici> hah
[13:40] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: you didn't exactly give her a warning about refraining from talking politics
[13:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Tried the offtopic and PM's
[13:41]  * Myrtti shrugs
[13:41] <Jack_Sparrow> She has certainly been around long enough to know we dont do politics in the channel
[13:45]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[13:46] <Myrtti> I wonder who mib_kbfmgqbv on -ot is
[13:46] <Myrtti> someone from India I presume
[14:01] <Pici> I don't know who it is, which is why I didnt comment when he asked if you were an Ubuntu guy.
[14:02] <Myrtti> yup
[14:02] <Myrtti> and also why I didn't reply to his question
[14:03] <Pici> er, wrong screen window
[14:24] <topyli> anyone watching -ot? i'll have to turn my back for a minute
[14:25] <Myrtti> sure
[14:25] <topyli> failfailtroll is being fed
[14:26] <Myrtti> noted
[14:53] <topyli> failfailtroll: hello
[14:54] <failfailtroll> is this ubuntu off topic?
[14:54] <topyli> failfailtroll: you have been forwarded here so we can chat
[14:54] <failfailtroll> cool
[14:54] <topyli> what's going on? you make no sense and use the channel for your own purposes, whatever they are
[14:55] <failfailtroll> i am fail fail trolling
[14:55] <failfailtroll> anything wrong with that
[14:55] <topyli> yes. you'll get banned
[14:55] <failfailtroll> then how come i am not banned already?
[14:55] <failfailtroll> cause i am not really trolling
[14:56] <failfailtroll> just not making sense and saying that i am a (fail fail) troll
[14:56] <failfailtroll> is that not legal?
[14:56] <topyli> exactly
[14:56] <topyli> i'm going to say "no"
[14:56] <failfailtroll> it's not legal?
[14:56] <topyli> no
[14:57] <failfailtroll> no as in "not legal" or not to "not legal"?
[14:57] <failfailtroll> *no to not legal?
[14:57] <topyli> it is not legal
[14:57] <failfailtroll> oh
[14:57] <failfailtroll> sorry
[14:57] <failfailtroll> i dont see how its not legal
[14:57] <topyli> now that you know, you can leave this channel
[14:58] <failfailtroll> am i troubling anybody by doing what i am doing?
[14:59] <failfailtroll> making no sense and saying that iam a (fail fail) troll?
[14:59] <topyli> please part the channel
[15:00] <failfailtroll> when i try to join #ubuntu-offtopic , nothing happens
[15:00] <failfailtroll> forward me there
[15:01] <Jack_Sparrow> It is called a ban
[15:02] <Jack_Sparrow> BAn is on BOTH accounts fail and your real name
[15:02] <failfailtroll> i no, i did not try to join with my real name, it just happened automatically
[15:02] <failfailtroll> bye
[15:02] <failfailtroll> i shall leave this room now
[15:03] <Jack_Sparrow> thank you
[15:03] <failfailtroll> never  to return again
[15:03] <Jack_Sparrow> thank you
[15:03] <failfailtroll> never
[15:03] <Jack_Sparrow> thank you
[15:04] <topyli> interesting fellow
[15:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Yep
[15:09] <Ward1983> sorry that was an accident
[15:41] <Tm_T> bluesmoke: hi, how can we help you?
[15:41] <bluesmoke> *groan*
[15:41] <Tm_T> Amaranth: hi, how can we help you?
[15:42] <Amaranth> ha?
[15:42] <Tm_T> (;)
[15:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: :-P
[15:43] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[16:01] <grndslm> could somebody please unban me from #ubuntu....  i made one funny ha ha and somebody screamed for the ops
[16:01] <Tm_T> what was this "funny" haha?
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[16:01] <grndslm> i just typed in "join #buttsex"
[16:02] <Tm_T> grndslm: no that's not funny
[16:02] <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
[16:02] <Myrtti> @bansearch grndslm
[16:02] <grndslm> well... i'll never be funny again
[16:02] <nickrud> grndslm, better is to try to be actually funny
[16:03] <grndslm> good point
[16:03] <nickrud> grndslm, you'll avoid sexuall humor in the future?
[16:04] <grndslm> absolutely
[16:05] <grndslm> swee... thanks
[16:05] <nickrud> ok, I've removed the ban, but you should also look at
[16:05] <nickrud> !coc
[16:05] <grndslm> will do
[16:05] <nickrud> grndslm, it'll give you an idea of humor topics that are bannable on sight
[16:05] <nickrud> grndslm, and humor goes over better in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:06] <grndslm> kk
[16:07] <nickrud> grndslm, unless you have some other questions, we're done here
[16:07] <grndslm> lata
[16:08] <mneptok> that's a fantstic joke. subtle, wry, and mentions butts!
[16:08] <nickrud> juvenile. But, I hear similar stuff from 40 yr olds :(
[16:09] <Jack_Sparrow> mneptok, For some it is a BIGGER joke than others :)
[16:09] <nickrud> see!!! Another one :)
[16:09] <topyli> no, i will join no such thing with you :(
[16:10] <Jack_Sparrow> You cant look behind you without seeing another joke about them... Ok I will stop
[16:10]  * nickrud wishes he had -ops here, he'd ban everyone who just talked for 24 hrs
[16:11] <Jack_Sparrow> My wife would thank you
[16:11] <nickrud> mneptok, ^^
[16:11] <nickrud> next time you're in the San Diego area, it'd probably be good for a meal
[16:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Any time you like
[16:12] <nickrud> dang, this quitting smoking thing is ruining my morning coffee
[16:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Good for you but.. ugh hard to do...
[16:14] <nickrud> a friend said he didn't stop missing his morning coffee and cigarette for something like 3 years ...
[16:15] <Jack_Sparrow> I'm addicted to coffee that is for sure
[16:16] <Myrtti> which reminds me
[16:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Let me know if there is a meal in town, get Flannel and we can all tell stories
[16:17] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, come to scale.
[16:18] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, Where and when, I expect to be going to Vegas tonight.. but that may get delayed
[16:18] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/
[16:19] <nickrud> not sure which night of that weekend, it'll have to be negotiated
[16:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I am not sure where I will be 2th of feb..
[16:21] <Jack_Sparrow> 20th
[16:21] <nickrud> gee, that means you can move it to the top of the pile
[16:21] <nickrud> me, I'll be at work about .8 mile from the hotel
[16:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Sure, easy for you.,  Im not even sure which of 4 states I will be in that weekend
[16:22] <Jack_Sparrow> or even which coast
[16:22] <Jack_Sparrow> brb
[16:22] <nickrud> It's where two of us will be. You're welcome to join. Actually, I'm not sure of Flannel's schedule for that weekend. He's gonna be extremely busy I do know that
[16:55] <genii-around> jussi01_: ping
[17:00] <genii-around> @login
[17:04] <Tm_T> ops awake in -classroom channels?
[17:06]  * mneptok goes to peek
[17:07] <mneptok> 12:06 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[17:07] <mneptok> no +o for me
[17:07] <Tm_T> mneptok: interested to watch over?
[17:07] <mneptok> Tm_T: can't promise to. i'm at the office.
[17:07] <mneptok> (and i don't have ops there)
[17:08] <Tm_T> mneptok: ah, well, i'll op you anyway for now
[17:08] <mneptok> but i can keep a weather eye
[17:35] <jussi01_> genii-around: cores down due to a bug. I assume that was the ping reason?
[17:36] <Tm_T> jussi01_: I'll send you a mail as soon as my Kmail is rebuilt, sorry for delay
[17:38] <jpds> Sorting it out.
[17:40] <genii-around> jussi01_: Yes, I caught what was going on now in #quassel channel :)
[18:46] <Seeker`> heya
[18:48] <jpds> Hey Seeker`.
[18:48] <Seeker`> how be?
[18:49] <jpds> Not too bad, yourself?
[18:52] <Seeker`> am good
[19:39] <NGL-Jabrroa> hello everyone
[19:39] <NGL-Jabrroa> :)
[19:40] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[19:40] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[19:40] <NGL-Jabrroa> whats that?
[19:40] <NGL-Jabrroa> @login
[19:40] <NGL-Jabrroa> lol
[19:41] <NGL-Jabrroa> ?
[19:41] <NGL-Jabrroa> whats that? Jack_Sparrow
[19:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Logging in to our tracker.  HOw may we help you today
[19:42] <NGL-Jabrroa> oh ok cool :) i dont need help actually :) sorry i was just saying Hello to everyone. hope you all are having a good day! :
[19:42] <NGL-Jabrroa> :)
[19:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Please dont idle in this channel. It is  for official business only and I see that we have had dealing with you at least 6 times in the last week or so
[19:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Including ban evasion
[19:44] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle > NGL-Jabrroa
[20:02] <Pici> Yay. GoogleCal plugin can do a basic @schedule now.
[20:30] <Jack_Sparrow> @mark #Ubuntu GeilerBock Hey check this out http://tinyurl.com/94exmn Porn Spam
[21:07] <mneptok> i set -classroom +m until tomorrow's sessions
[21:50] <jrib> mneptok: why? :/
[21:59] <jussi01> nalioth: your needed in -meeting ;)
[22:00] <mneptok> jrib: why not?
[22:01] <mneptok> -meeting should be used only for meetings, and not for general hang-out and discussions, AFAIK.
[22:02] <Flannel> -meeting vs -classroom
[22:02] <jrib> mneptok: we're not talking about -meeting :)
[22:02] <mneptok> ugh. sorry.
[22:02]  * mneptok is reentering after a month off
[22:02] <jrib> anyway, a few people use -classroom to take people who have trouble following with the traffic in #ubuntu
[22:02] <mneptok> obviosuly i need some synapse lube
[22:03]  * jrib lubes mneptok
[22:03] <jrib> wait, that came out wrong
[22:03] <mneptok> so put it back in and try again.
[22:03] <mneptok> >:)
[22:11] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[22:34] <Myrtti> oh for gods sake... oh. right. Finnish time. nevermind
[22:47] <topyli> i do mind. good night :)
[23:04] <Pricey> Sorry i didn't make it earlier, real life getting in the way.
[23:04] <Pricey> And hmm PriceChild seems to have gone missing. Hopefully he'll be bask asap.
[23:12] <jussi01> Pricey: just heading to bed. nick is gonna reschedule the meeting for feb sometime
[23:22] <Myrtti> new slippers ♥
[23:23] <nalioth> are they furry?
[23:28] <Myrtti> nope
[23:32] <Myrtti> http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3210401535/
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Cute
[23:35] <nalioth> butterflies? bunny rabbit slippers are warmer :p
[23:38] <Seeker`> Myrtti: good day?
[23:39] <Myrtti> most excellent
[23:39] <Seeker`> Myrtti: cool. Whatcha get up to?
[23:40] <Myrtti> nothing that speshul, but I'm the low maintenance kinda girl
[23:40] <Seeker`> haha
[23:40] <Seeker`> got any touristy stuff planned?
[23:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Ill be in Las Vegas tomorrow does that count
[23:41] <Seeker`> cool
[23:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Little business, a little fun
[23:42] <Myrtti> Seeker`: weekend is for Meeting The Parents, EEEEEEEK
[23:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti, His or yours
[23:42] <Myrtti> His
[23:42] <Jack_Sparrow> arrrgh
[23:43] <Myrtti> He's got it easy, my parents don't speak a word of English
[23:43] <Myrtti> but I've got to actually try to sound and say intelligent stuff
[23:44] <Jack_Sparrow> It'll be fine
[23:46] <Seeker`> Myrtti: where are you going for that?
[23:47] <Myrtti> Littlehampton
[23:47] <bazhang> haha
[23:47] <Myrtti> I need to get the shawl done before that though
[23:48] <bazhang> presumably she has already met her own parents
[23:48] <Myrtti> bazhang: he hasn't
[23:48] <Seeker`> Myrtti: but you have
[23:49] <Seeker`> Myrtti: is that why you've been nervous?
[23:49] <Myrtti> no, that was because of work stress
[23:50] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[23:51] <Myrtti> time to go to bed methinks
[23:52] <Myrtti> I have to try to be working again tomorrow earlyish to be somewhat synced with Finland working hours
[23:52] <Seeker`> nn
[23:52] <Myrtti> nini
[23:53] <bazhang> night
[23:56] <Jack_Sparrow> nini


[15:29] <belkinsa> jrgifford, you thinking doing the meeting tonight might be too short of a notice?
[15:29] <belkinsa> Unit193, ^^^
[15:32] <jrgifford> belkinsa: time is of the essence
[15:32] <jrgifford> but i unfortunately could not make tonight
[15:32] <belkinsa> Okay, tomorrow?
[15:33] <jrgifford> when
[15:33] <jrgifford> *?
[15:34] <belkinsa> 7 or 8
[15:34] <jrgifford> sure
[15:35] <belkinsa> Okay, thanks.
[15:36]  * belkinsa picks 7 PM
[15:58] <belkinsa> jrgifford, permission to forward the e-mail from Beth?
[15:58] <jrgifford> belkinsa: snip appropriately
[15:58] <belkinsa> Permission request:*
[15:59] <belkinsa> Alright, thank you.
[16:08] <belkinsa> jrgifford, actually I think I can sum up that e-mail in the e-mail about the meeting and I will do the same in the meeting,
[16:22] <belkinsa> jrgifford, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-ohio/2833-ubuntu-ohio-june-2014-meeting/
[16:22] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Ohio June 2014 Meeting | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/1jDkO7L
[16:23] <belkinsa> I should of done it for the other meetings too.
[16:23] <jrgifford> OK.
[21:33] <Unit193> canthus13: Thanks to you (I think), whenever I see Type=forking in a systemd service file, guess what I think of? :P
[21:33] <canthus13> ?
[21:35] <Unit193> Based on your Android comment about rooting your phone, therefor the system is screwing itself. :D
[21:36] <canthus13> Heh.


[05:44] <christiank> Hi wgrant!
[05:45] <christiank> Have you had a chance to run my request past someone from the SSO support people yet?
[05:46] <wgrant> christiank: Not yet, I'm afraid. We're not in very compatible timezones, but hopefully tonight.
[05:46] <christiank> OK
[05:46] <christiank> Thanks


[00:00] <and`> plus having the two packages in sync is nice :)
[00:00] <and`> less work for you
[00:00] <asac> is that the only diff?
[00:00] <asac> i think we dont really have a problem with updating the package
[00:01] <and`> you added some more stuff to the icons I guess
[00:01] <asac> icons etc. so there is no sync anyway
[00:01] <and`> yes, I guess icons is the last delta atm
[00:01] <and`> what was the point in adding those icons?
[00:02] <and`> oh and any news for the mozilla seed so far?
[00:04] <and`> asac: ^^
[00:05] <asac> no ... thats quite low on my TODO list.
[00:05] <and`> I don't know when the full archive-reorg will be in action
[01:36] <EzraR> asac: seems that that patch has already been implemented in the ubuntu package for enigmail. Which I believe would mean that there is a regresion bug somewhere
[01:41] <asac> EzraR: so its not in debian?
[01:45] <EzraR> asac: the bug? I have not tested it, I will test it and let you know
[02:19] <EzraR> asac: it works in debian
[02:32] <EzraR> squeeze
[02:47] <asac> so all fine ;)
[02:49] <EzraR> well ubuntu is using dwebian experimental for karmic
[02:49] <EzraR> packager
[02:50] <EzraR> so lucid will be broken as well, will test debians package in a sec
[02:50] <asac> we dont use debian experimental
[02:51] <asac> at least not without explicitly asking fo rit
[02:51] <EzraR> karmic is using 2:0.95.7-1ubuntu2
[02:52] <micahg> asac: that was merged from experimental last yeart
[02:52] <asac> k
[02:53] <micahg> almost exactly a year ago: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/enigmail/2:0.95.7-1ubuntu1
[03:12] <EzraR> the debian experimental package is broken
[03:12] <EzraR> asac
[03:35] <micahg> EzraR: it's marked as officially fixed in 0.96
[03:36] <micahg> it seems to have regressed into the version in experimental
[03:38] <micahg> EzraR: the patch isn't in ubuntu
[03:39] <EzraR> well if you look at the code the surounding code is a bit different
[03:40] <EzraR> but, the bit that they added is in the code of the ubuntu package
[03:41] <micahg> well
[03:41] <micahg> that explains why it doesn't work :)
[03:42] <micahg> line 579
[03:42] <micahg> in the tarball in that fikle
[03:42] <micahg> *file
[03:42] <micahg> nevermind...
[03:44] <micahg> and it's installed that way too
[03:45] <EzraR> perhaps that patch fixed the problem in the trunk at the time and the rest of the code change + patch fixed the bug
[03:45] <micahg> maybe
[03:49] <micahg> weird, that was fixed long after it was released
[03:49] <micahg> the attached patch wasn't the fix
[03:49] <micahg> here it is: http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/enigmail/src/ui/content/enigmailMessengerOverlay.js.diff?r1=1.130;r2=1.131
[03:50] <micahg> EzraR: ^^
[03:51] <EzraR> hah...where did you find it
[03:51] <micahg> cvs
[03:54] <EzraR> that patch seems like it does more than just fix that bug
[03:54] <micahg> that's the only comment on the commit
[03:55] <micahg> EzraR: http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/enigmail/src/ui/content/enigmailMessengerOverlay.js   <--- rev 1.131
[03:57] <EzraR> thnx micahg
[03:58] <micahg> np, I'd suggest making a patch out of that and seeing if it fixes it
[04:02] <EzraR> yeah, i give it a shot
[04:02] <EzraR> err i will
[04:05] <micahg> EzraR: I should be on for at least another hour if you need something
[04:06] <EzraR> micahg: ok, im getting ready to head to bed and will work on this tommarow thank you though
[04:06] <micahg> k
[04:07] <EzraR> micahg: that is strange looks like it might be the same guy that uploaded the bogus patch fixed it
[04:07] <EzraR> a year later
[04:07] <micahg> EzraR: ??
[04:07] <EzraR> they both are named pat anyways
[04:08] <EzraR> patrick
[04:08] <micahg> EzraR: a lot of things can happen to a codebase in a year
[04:08] <EzraR>  Patch fixing the bug   (526 bytes, patch)
[04:08] <EzraR> 2004-02-16 12:18, Patrick Brunschwig
[04:08] <micahg> heh, I didn't notice the timestamp
[04:09] <micahg> this apparantly was fixed 6 years ago and regressed last year with 0.95.7
[04:09] <micahg> hence the need for the new patch to make enigmail compliant with the RFC again
[04:09] <EzraR> i see
[04:11] <micahg> the fix for debian experimental would be to upload 0.96 which there's a bug for already
[04:11] <micahg> the fix for lucid will probably be enigmail 1.0
[04:11] <micahg> but if you make the patch, maybe we can roll that out for now
[04:21] <EzraR> ok, isnt 1.0 for TB3?
[04:22] <EzraR> TB3 going to be in lucid?
[04:22] <micahg> yes
[04:22] <micahg> soon
[04:22] <EzraR> nice
[11:32] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[11:58] <asac> hi BUGabundo_work
[13:36] <BUGabundo_work> fta2: chromium seems to have lost location api
[13:36] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.findmebyip.com/#modernizer
[13:37] <fta2> BUGabundo_work, file a bug, i don't have time
[13:37] <BUGabundo_work> okeydoky
[14:37] <bdrung> asac: around?
[14:41] <asac> half half
[14:55] <nasam> Hi, I have a question (more a proposition) for the mozilla-daily PPA
[14:56] <nasam> I want to add the ppa for following the firefox 3.6 and 3.7 releases, but I don't want to nuke my default daily-use 3.5 browser
[14:56] <nasam> but when I add the PPA I get nighlty builds for firefox-3.5 to
[14:56] <nasam> is their any way to prevent it to use firefox-3.5 updates from this PPA
[14:57] <nasam> and if not, could the maintainers consider setting up 2 PPA's (one for firefox-3.6+ and other non released mozilla products) and one for fierfox-3.5?
[14:57] <nasam> so I could add the one with only 3.6+ and others who want the latest 3.5 could add the other one?
[14:58] <micahg> nasam: yes, use apt-pinning
[14:58] <nasam> and how does that work?
[14:58]  * micahg suggests pinning all PPAs at 450 to insure you choose to install a specific package vs overwriting the package from the archive
[14:58] <micahg> nasam: well, there are a few options
[14:59] <micahg> you can pin all PPAs or just the mozilla-daily
[15:00] <nasam> Say I pin all ppa's
[15:00] <micahg> nasam: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/355048/
[15:00] <micahg> add that to /etc/apt/preferences
[15:00] <micahg> you might have to create the file
[15:01] <micahg> or you can add it to /etc/apt/preferences.d/ppa
[15:01] <micahg> if you're on karmic
[15:03]  * BUGabundo_work supports micahg idea
[15:03]  * micahg should probably make a wiki page...
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> micahg: would be great if mvo would expose that via  software-sources
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> maybe right a spec for 10.10
[15:04] <micahg> BUGabundo_work: being able to pin sources?
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> yes
[15:04] <micahg> k
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> directly in APT db
[15:04]  * micahg will add to list to write a spec
[15:05] <nasam> micahg: thanks for the help
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> micahg: so even sources.list would have it inline
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> would be sooooo much easier
[15:05] <nasam> btw adding it to /etc/apt/preferences.d/ppa did not work
[15:05] <micahg> nasam: no problem, to verify, run add the ppa, run apt-get update, and then apt-cache policy firefox-3.5
[15:05] <nasam> /etc/apt/preferences worked
[15:05] <micahg> you should see the PPA version at 450 and the archive version at 500
[15:06] <micahg> nasam: then, once you install the PPA version, it will upgrade the PPA version until the archive is higher (if ever)
[15:09] <micahg> yay!  3.6rc1 was released
[17:17] <asac> bug #498144?
[17:17] <asac> bug #498144
[17:55] <micahg> asac: do you want pyxpcom to continue to be a separate source in Ubuntu?
[17:56]  * micahg realizes this is actually a silly question since it was pulled from trunk
[17:56] <asac> right
[17:56] <asac> there is a merge request pending i think
[17:56] <micahg> we have 2 xulrunner bugs asking for xulrunner to build it
[17:56] <asac> i think we should try to build it outside
[17:57] <micahg> ok
[17:57] <micahg> should it still be called python-xpcom?
[17:58] <micahg> or should it be migrated to pyxpcom?
[17:58] <micahg> like the upstream project
[18:05] <asac> source should by pyxpcom
[18:05] <asac> the package would be like initially
[18:20] <micahg> ok asac, I'll update the bugs later tonight
[18:22] <micahg> asac: one more question, is this something we want to push through debian first?
[18:22] <asac> no
[18:22] <micahg> k
[18:22] <asac> we ignore debian for stuff like that
[18:22] <asac> atm
[18:22] <asac> we offer afterwards
[19:05] <hggdh> fta: micahg told me you have a bot for downloading new upstream & preparing them for publishing. Is this correct?
[19:07] <fta> hggdh, correct
[19:11] <fta> hggdh, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-scripts/annotate/head:/README
[19:27] <fta> hggdh, is that what you wanted?
[19:33] <EzraR_> micahg: that patch doesnt fix enigmail :/ there must be some other changes outside that file as I tried patching the file completely up to the fix and still doesnt work :/
[19:34] <micahg> EzraR_: maybe there's another file in cvs that was patched at the same time
[19:34] <micahg> I can look later tonight
[19:35]  * micahg wonders if this is one reason why cvs went out of style
[19:35] <EzraR_> is there an easy way to do it without looking through each files history?
[19:35] <micahg> EzraR_: idk
[19:35] <micahg> maybe if you can search commits in a time period
[19:54] <hggdh> fta: yes, thank you. I will start playing with it now for coreutils
[19:59] <fta> hggdh, a few examples of confs: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-confs/files
[20:00] <hggdh> fta: thankk you, I will bzr down a copy of them
[20:01] <hggdh> fta: when I have coreutils done, do you want a copy of the conf to add in?
[20:03] <fta> hggdh, i plan to create a project for this. so once done, i'd sure would like to have branches from users pushed there
[20:04] <fta> hggdh, i just need a name
[20:04] <fta> hggdh, i already have the logo :) http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppabot-192-192.png
[20:04] <hggdh> cool logo!
[20:06] <hggdh> ppabot sounds good, BTW
[20:07] <fta> hggdh, yep, it's just that it's not limited to PPAs, you can publish stuff to the repos too with this
[20:07] <fta> but it's unwise to do that fully automatically, so maybe i should just stick to ppabot
[20:07] <hggdh> pkgBot, then?
[20:09] <fta> we already discussed that, got dabot, debbot, debot, botronik, drobotik, ..
[20:09] <hggdh> heh
[20:09] <hggdh> The Far Edge
[20:10] <fta> maybe drobotik, for deb(ian) robotic(s)
[20:11] <fta> !info drobotik
[20:13] <fta> !info droid
[20:13] <micahg> fta: droid might make people think it's related to the phone
[20:14] <fta> i think i'll go for drobotik
[20:14] <micahg> fta: da
[20:18] <hggdh> yes, and each conf will define a drobotnik
[20:22] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/drobotik
[20:23] <fta> hm.. why is it the medium logo?
[20:39] <fta> i should probably create a team too
[20:40] <fta> asac, ^^ ?
[20:43] <asac> projects dont automatically need teams
[20:43] <asac> you can well maintain the mainbranch using your username
[20:43] <asac> and then get merge requests
[20:43] <asac> etc.
[21:07] <fta> ripps, hggdh: the branch hosting the bot is now available at lp:drobotik (see https://edge.launchpad.net/drobotik)
[21:11] <micahg> fta: can I use the bot for automated backports from the devel release?
[21:12] <fta> hm, should work
[21:12] <micahg> k, there are a few packages I like to keep up to date in the current release :)
[21:17] <fta> micahg, i use the bot to do the chromium channels, which are kind of releases
[21:18] <micahg> yeah, but I'm referring to backporting from Lucid
[21:20] <fta> most probably possible too
[21:20] <micahg> yep, I'll let you know :)
[21:20] <micahg> are  you taking feature requests?
[21:21] <fta> sure
[21:21] <micahg> k
[21:21] <fta> you can even file bugs now
[21:21] <fta> (that was the point)
[21:21] <micahg> ah, k
[21:57] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:12] <PsySc0rpi0n> Hi
[22:12] <PsySc0rpi0n> Anyone here to give me a help?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> always
[22:12] <BUGabundo> just ask
[22:13] <PsySc0rpi0n> I need to set up firefox so that it works with my middle mouse button
[22:13] <PsySc0rpi0n> And the deal is this
[22:14] <PsySc0rpi0n> I want that Firefox scrolls webpages when i click down the middle mouse button
[22:14] <BUGabundo> PsySc0rpi0n: write it all in a single line, please. it helps reading
[22:14] <PsySc0rpi0n> I need to set up firefox so that it works with my middle mouse button. I want that Firefox scrolls webpages when i click down the middle mouse button.
[22:14] <micahg> PsySc0rpi0n: that would be a feature of the desktop environment I would think
[22:15] <PsySc0rpi0n> I'm under Linux... What would be that feature??? Can you tell me?
[22:16] <PsySc0rpi0n> I've tryied smoothscrool in about:config
[22:16] <micahg> I would think you set that in Gnome, not the app, but I coudl be wrong
[22:16] <PsySc0rpi0n> I've tryied mousewheel.horizscroll.withnokey.action=1
[22:16] <PsySc0rpi0n> And for last i've tryied also mousewheel.withnokey.numlines=1
[22:17] <micahg> hggdh: can you set the middle mouse button to scroll when clicked in gnome?
[22:17] <PsySc0rpi0n> But no result 'till now
[22:28] <micahg> PsySc0rpi0n: maybe try #ubuntu
[22:29] <PsySc0rpi0n> Ok
[22:44] <bdrung> asac: around? m-d should be released.
[23:15] <hggdh> micahg: I do not have a middle button, but I have a wheel
[23:15] <hggdh> and it works
[23:15] <micahg> hggdh: nm, the user is gone
[23:15] <micahg> you can usually click on the wheel to act as a middle button
[23:15] <hggdh> I forget about it. This is the problem of using customers' machines
[23:16] <hggdh> always different hardware
[23:16] <hggdh> well. Time to walk back to the hotel. BBS
[23:17] <mahfouz1> micahg: I posted a bug about 3.6, "hide menubar not possible", is this a gtk problem?
[23:17] <micahg> hi, I saw, but haven't had time to look yet
[23:17] <mahfouz1> np
[23:17] <mahfouz1> was just wondering if it's only possible in windows atm
[23:17] <mahfouz1> and why
[23:20] <micahg> mahfouz1: yes, windows only I think
[23:22]  * ccheney is running into problems getting libsoup to build even after copying the bits it wants
[23:23] <ccheney> grr
[23:23]  * ccheney is probably doing something wrong, but not sure what
[23:25] <ccheney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/355243/