[03:16] <linuxmonkey> help , each time i try to load some modules for my wifi card and i get.. insmod: error inserting 'open8180.o': -1 Invalid module format
[03:16] <Kimahri> bob2: that's why you .config and build it yourself :)
[03:16] <moparfan90> what do i do
[03:16] <Jan_> bob2: It's not really a bug.
[03:16] <bob2> Jan_: not suspending = bug
[03:16] <signbarn> sambagirl: i did a fresh install, so i'm not sure how to get everything. did you follow a guide to upgrading?
[03:16] <Jan_> I'm not sure whether it's trying to suspend or hibernate
[03:17] <Jan_> and I'm not even sure whether there's an important difference, but I think there is
[03:17] <Jan_> As you see, I'm really not qualified to write the bug up.
[03:17] <Jambon> bob2: it's not a bug, it's a feature!
[03:17] <joetheodd> signbarn: You're looking for a way to upgrade your distro? apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:17] <Bad_Magic> lol
[03:17] <linuxmonkey> anyone?
[03:17] <signbarn> naw, i'm good.
[03:17] <bob2> Jan_: then explain how you started the process
[03:18] <moparfan90> hello. i was trying to run a execuatable and got this: "./vdrift: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"   what can i do to make this work???
[03:18] <Jan_> all I did was hit "hibernate" in the logout menu and it blackscreened with the power on.
[03:18] <Jan_> Had to hard rebot.
[03:18] <Bad_Magic> Jan_: it takes a minute to dump ram to disk... try giving it a minute first
[03:18] <signbarn> joetheodd: does a dist-upgrade give you the groovy boot splash screen thingy?
[03:18] <Jan_> Then tried "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep" which appeared to make it sleep - the glowing power light started up.
[03:18] <Arkainium> is there a nice utility for editing start up services and cron jobs?
[03:18] <Jan_> But it won't recover from that either.
[03:19] <joetheodd> signbarn: No clue. I'm on 56k and never tried it =p
[03:19] <Jambon> bob2: how do I set op status in a channel that doesn't have any ops?
[03:19] <eyequeue> Arkainium:  i like vim
[03:19] <Kimahri> moparfan90: apt-get install libsdl and it should give you the libs
[03:19] <sambagirl> yes i changed some gtext file and stuff.
[03:19] <Arkainium> eyequeue, lol
[03:19] <bob2> Jan_: how long did you leave it after selecting hibernate?
[03:19] <Jan_> that's all I know
[03:19] <sambagirl> some list thing
[03:19] <sambagirl> yep
[03:19] <kev_> arkanium: check out bum (i think). check ubuntuguide.org
[03:19] <bob2> Jambon: /msg chanserv op #channel
[03:19] <sambagirl> did some ast gets and stuff
[03:19] <joetheodd> signbarn: It upgrades all the files to that included in the new distro, which I asume would have the new boot screen.
[03:19] <linuxmonkey> anyone here know how to get wifi cards working???
[03:19] <Jan_> bob2: Long enough. There was no HD activity anyway.
[03:19] <bob2> linuxmonkey: be less vague
[03:19] <linuxmonkey> cause each time i try to load some modules for my wifi card and i get.. insmod: error inserting 'open8180.o': -1 Invalid module format
[03:19] <bob2> Jan_: how long? 10 minutes?
[03:20] <bob2> linuxmonkey: that's not a proper driver
[03:20] <Jan_> Two or three, probably.
[03:20] <Kimahri> somebody was saying to not use ubuntuguide... to use the wiki instead
[03:20] <bob2> Jan_: then give it ten minutes and see if it works
[03:20] <Bad_Magic> !grub
[03:20] <ubotu> grub is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[03:20] <linuxmonkey> what do u mean bob2
[03:20] <Jan_> Trying now.
[03:20] <Jan_> There is a small amount of HD activity after it blackscreens
[03:20] <Jan_> then nothing.
[03:20] <Jan_> It clearly isn't doing anything
[03:20] <bob2> Jan_: after ediing /etc/default/acpi-support to say USE_DPMS=False
[03:20] <bob2> Jan_: no, I dont htink that's clear at all
[03:21] <Jan_> OK, I can try that.
[03:21] <bob2> linuxmonkey: drivers for the 2.6 kernel do not have the .o extension
[03:21] <bob2> linuxmonkey: where did you get that file from?
[03:21] <Jan_> I'm comparing this to the known good config under windows, where it would rattle and click for about fifteen seconds after closing the lid.
[03:21] <sambagirl> i expecting new cd's for distribution here will it have breezy?
[03:21] <linuxmonkey> bob2,  its made for Linux 2.6.X, so what should i do
[03:21] <linuxmonkey> bob2, i got it from realtek
[03:21] <Kimahri> linuxmonkey: is it a wifi driver?
[03:22] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[03:22] <Kimahri> linuxmonkey: what driver is it?
[03:22] <Jan_> bob2: OK, is that long enough?
[03:22] <jasmuz> What do you guys recommend for a server....Ubuntu or Knoppix for a Wifi server?
[03:22] <linuxmonkey> for a D-Link DWL-610
[03:22] <signbarn> sambagirl: when did you order them?
[03:22] <bob2> Jan_: no
[03:22] <Jan_> OK
[03:22] <bob2> jasmuz: anything but knoppix
[03:22] <sambagirl> umm not sure now about maybe a week ago?
[03:23] <Jan_> Really. It's as off as it gets without the power light going out.
[03:23] <csthepoet> how do you become su on ubuntu?
[03:23] <Hendric> i got a problem with FIREFOX not displaying flash... how can i remove the flash plugin so that it prompts me to install the plugin again?
[03:23] <jasmuz> bob2, why?
[03:23] <sambagirl> what is knoppix?
[03:23] <Jan_> I don't think the platter is even spinning.
[03:23] <eyequeue> sambagirl:  if you order them now, yes, if you recieve them now but ordered in the past, hoary
[03:23] <sambagirl> brb
[03:23] <bob2> linuxmonkey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[03:23] <jasmuz> sambagirl, its another Distribution
[03:23] <sambagirl> ok thanks
[03:23] <Kimahri> linuxmonkey: either 'modprobe /path/to/module/file.ko' or you can use some combination of ndiswrapper and the windows driver
[03:23] <Hendric> i removed firefox then installed it back but still it has the same error
[03:23] <bob2> jasmuz: because it's not designed for actual use, and it has no security support
[03:23] <Hendric> pls help me
[03:23] <bob2> Hendric: "same error"
[03:23] <Jan_> If the BIOS thought it was asleep, the power light would pulsate in orange, too, which it doesn't do.
[03:24] <nalioth> sambagirl: www.knoppix.org  <<<<it's the great granddaddy of all LiveCds
[03:24] <bob2> Hendric: you know no one else can see your screen, right? paste the ufll error and your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:24] <linuxmonkey> I know for a fact that the realtek driver for the 8180 with the device id and ven id works and I cant use ndiswrapper eighter for what i need it for
[03:24] <bob2> Jan_: no ,that's not at all what hibernate does
[03:24] <bob2> Jan_: it writes all ram to disk and then powers off entirely; ie no lights will be on at all
[03:24] <jasmuz> thanks bob2 ...nevertheless its going to be a personal server...tight security isnt going to be needed...its just going to share my internet via Wifi to the building
[03:24] <zone17> Hi, I have just installed the package j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin, looking at a web site with java makes firefox crash, how can I solve this asap
[03:25] <Jan_> bob2: That's the thought.
[03:25] <Jan_> I think that's "hibernate"
[03:25] <bob2> jasmuz: ubuntu then
[03:25] <Jan_> whereas the glowing light thing is "suspend"
[03:25] <bob2> Jan_: yes
[03:25] <Jan_> or "sleep"
[03:25] <bob2> Jan_: right
[03:25] <linner> !tell me about backports
[03:25] <Jan_> OK, the power light is still on.
[03:25] <bob2> Jan_: hibernate doesn't use the bios or anything, and should work on basically any hardware
[03:25] <Hendric> bob2: it doesn't give any error... the flash movie is just blank.. when i right click  on it... it says "Move not loaded"... and this happened after tweaking the plugins...
[03:25] <Jan_> Still no joy.
[03:25] <bob2> Jan_: did you do the DPMS thing I suggested?
[03:25] <Bad_Magic> can anyone help me get a splash screen working with grub?
[03:25] <Jan_> No, I'd already hit the button before you said.
[03:25] <eyequeue> linner:  you can /msg ubotu backports, too
[03:25] <Kimahri> Jan_: hibernate works on my old pmmx-150 IBM thinkpad which has no power management to speak of
[03:25] <linner> nalioth, hello :)
[03:25] <jasmuz> bob2, do you know about any ncurses bittorrent client?
[03:25] <Jan_> I shall restart it and try that.
[03:26] <Jan_> Really, it would have worked by now.
[03:26] <linner> eyequeue, what's the difference?
[03:26] <jasmuz> !backports
[03:26] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:26] <Kimahri> jasmuz: btdownloadcurse.spy
[03:26] <bob2> jasmuz: bittornado is nice
[03:26] <Kimahri> err.
[03:26] <bob2> Jan_: not neccessarily
[03:26] <Hendric> bob2: i only want to resfresh firefox so that if i view a flash site... it asks me to install the plugin again...
[03:26] <linner> eyequeue, I thought that's what I did.
[03:26] <poningru> try rufus people
[03:26] <Kimahri> btdownloadcurses.py from the bittornado package
[03:26] <eyequeue> linner:  channel traffic vs private
[03:26] <poningru> gaah
[03:26] <poningru> is Jan_ the idiot back?
[03:26] <linner> oh okay
[03:26] <sambagirl> knoppix is all in german
[03:26] <bimberi> poningru: for goodness sake...
[03:26] <Jan_> bob2: remind me what DPMS thing you suggested :)
[03:27] <Hendric> bob2: it doesn't give any error... the flash movie is just blank.. when i right click  on it... it says "Move not loaded"... and this happened after tweaking the plugins...
[03:27] <eyequeue> linner:  btw, see /topic heh    bp is not popular these days :)
[03:27] <zone17> I have just installed the package j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin, looking at a web site with java makes firefox crashes, how to deal with that?
[03:27] <sambagirl> brb
[03:27] <selinium> What the colony release all about?
[03:27] <bob2> 11:20:49           bob2 | Jan_: after ediing /etc/default/acpi-support to say USE_DPMS=False
[03:27] <poningru> bimberi: -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:27] <Jan_> Thanks
[03:27] <eyequeue> selinium:  a prerelease of breezy
[03:27] <bimberi> poningru: already there :)
[03:27] <linuxmonkey> Kimahri, that didnt work and I cant use ndis wrapper as it does not support many of the apps i need and when i try to load .ko i get the same error
[03:27] <Jan_> I don't quite know what I'm doing with the "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep" thing
[03:27] <Jan_> but it seems to half work
[03:27] <Jan_> which may also be a bug
[03:27] <selinium> eyequeue, I thought we already had one of those?
[03:27] <Stranjo> hlw ppl
[03:28] <bob2> Jan_: you don't need to run that at all
[03:28] <jasmuz> Guys
[03:28] <eyequeue> selinium:  5 of those, i believe :)
[03:28] <jasmuz> check you all later
[03:28] <bob2> Jan_: /etc/acpi/sleep.sh is what you'd run to suspend to ram from the command line
[03:28] <Hendric> can anyone help me here? i want to refresh firefox plugins so that it will ask me again to install plugin if i view a flash site.....
[03:28] <Jan_> well that's different to what it appears to be trying to do when I "hibernate" it
[03:28] <selinium> eyequeue, lol
[03:28] <bob2> Jan_: yes, sleep != hibernate
[03:28] <Stranjo> I've upgraded my ubuntu hoary to breezy, and the Xorg dont works anymore
[03:28] <Jan_> I guess ideally both should work
[03:28] <bob2> Stranjo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:28] <poningru> Hendric: do you have flash plugin?
[03:29] <bob2> Jan_: indeed...you should only be running /etc/acpi/sleep.sh or /etc/acpi/hibnerate.sh, tho
[03:29] <Hendric> i installed it and tweaked something...
[03:29] <selinium> eyequeue, i think i can wait a couple of weeks for the release! A few more people will know what to do with the bugs aswell!
[03:29] <poningru> Hendric: how did you install?
[03:29] <Hendric> it can't view flash objects anymore...
[03:29] <poningru> and what did you tweak?
[03:29] <Jan_> bob2: false or False?
[03:29] <eyequeue> selinium:  ideally they will be less too
[03:29] <Hendric> it installed with ubuntu...
[03:29] <Stranjo> thanks bob2 :)
[03:29] <selinium> :)
[03:29] <bob2> Jan_: don't think it matters, but I have "false"
[03:29] <Jan_> ok
[03:30] <Hendric> so i want it refreshed so that it will ask me again if i view a flash site
[03:30] <poningru> Hendric: you mean apt?
[03:30] <sh0wtime> my wifi finally got detected with the live cd but i cant ping www sites.. do i have to do anything other then ifdown if up eth1?
[03:30] <linuxmonkey> bob2, does ndiswrapper support scanning?
[03:30] <Jan_> one ominous thing
[03:30] <poningru> Hendric: how did you install it?
[03:31] <bob2> linuxmonkey: don't know
[03:31] <Hendric> poningru: it was installed when i installed ubuntu
[03:31] <Jan_> when I grep'd dmesg for "swsusp" it came up with two complaints about some partition not being correctly formatted
[03:31] <Bad_Magic> can anyone help me get a splash screen working with grub?
[03:31] <Jan_> now that makes sense to me based on what I know about how hibernate is supposed to work
[03:31] <poningru> Hendric: thats not possible
[03:31] <poningru> brb
[03:31] <Jan_> but it could be misreading something I guess.
[03:31] <bob2> Jan_: every time it boots, it checks the swap partition to see if it hibernated last time; if so, it resumes, if not, it continues
[03:31] <Jan_> I think this laptop suspended to a file under windows anyway
[03:31] <Hendric> how can it be impossible?? ubuntu came with firefox right???
[03:31] <bob2> Bad_Magic: which bit of the grub documentation is confusing you?
[03:32] <bob2> Jan_: linux can suspend to a swap partition or file, but since you already have a prtition, that's less hassle...
[03:32] <Hendric> then i installed flash plugin by viewing a flashsite then clicked "install misssing plugin"
[03:32] <Bad_Magic> bob2: basically it comes out all garbled when I try to boot
[03:32] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:32] <Jan_> bob2: OK, I changed that file. Do I need to reboot, or should I try hibernating again right now?
[03:32] <linuxmonkey> bob2, so just to make sure, a 2.4.X driver wouldnt workin in 2.6 right, cause thats the other driver they have and im almost out of options
[03:32] <sh0wtime> eye:  lemme see.. brb
[03:32] <bob2> Bad_Magic: sure it's in the exact right format?
[03:32] <Bad_Magic> bob2: splashimage (hd0,1)/grub/splashimages/biosplash.xpm.gz    <--- thats the file in my menu.lst
[03:32] <bob2> linuxmonkey: correct
[03:33] <Bad_Magic> bob2: i downloaded it from the repo
[03:33] <bob2> Jan_: you can hibernate now
[03:33] <bob2> heh, cookies for breakfast
[03:33] <Cube-ness> hey.. ar the nvidia drivers working in breezy yet? i ave been running old kernel/nvidia-glx becasue as of last week, i coulnt get it to work
[03:33] <Jan_> Some text on screen
[03:33] <Jan_> "stopping devices
[03:33] <Jan_> "freeing memory"
[03:33] <Jan_> but otherwise much the same result.
[03:33] <linuxmonkey> im wondering why a 2.6.X module is saying invalid module format
[03:34] <bob2> Jan_: what's the last thing on the screen now?
[03:34] <Jan_> It's blanked
[03:34] <Bad_Magic> bob2: maybe i fixed it since last time... brb
[03:34] <Jan_> but we think it was "freeing memory"
[03:34] <bob2> linuxmonkey: if it ends in .o, it's not a 2.6 module
[03:34] <bimberi> bob2: what about the vegemite toast?
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> no the one im trying now is ko
[03:34] <bob2> bimberi: that involves going to the kitchen ;)
[03:34] <Jan_> Just so you know, this is a reasonably new install of Breezy which we did an apt-get dist-upgrade on earlier
[03:34] <sh0wtime> eyequeue: host unreachable
[03:34] <Jan_> which broke a ton of stuff
[03:34] <bimberi> bob2: ha!
[03:34] <Jan_> so if there are faults, it may be down to that
[03:34] <bob2> linuxmonkey: you'll get that error if it wasn't built for your exact kernel too, I think
[03:35] <nalioth> Jan_: breezy will be kinda up and down til oct 13
[03:35] <bob2> Jan_: hm, odd
[03:35] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  okay, we determined it's not a resolver issue, it's a routing issue
[03:35] <bob2> Jan_: did it power the machine down, or just blank the screen and then keep running without hitting the disk?
[03:35] <TraceGreen> Hello, Can i edit registry of Windows in linux if i using wine? suppose windows filesystem is ntfs.
[03:36] <JDahl> TraceGreen, not likely
[03:36] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  can you ping any of the hosts on your lan via ip address?  <IP_ADDRESS> perhaps
[03:36] <bob2> TraceGreen: not really
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> ok i guess ill try ndiswrapper again
[03:36] <bob2> TraceGreen: there are various dodgy hacks, but none are as simple as rebooting ;)
[03:36] <Cannabliss> this an easy install?
[03:36] <TraceGreen> bob2, if Windows filesystem is fat32, so, edit it in wine is ok, is it?
[03:37] <damado> xavi estas ahi
[03:37] <Cannabliss> format and pop the disc in?
[03:37] <bob2> TraceGreen: yup
[03:37] <TraceGreen> bob2, thanks!
[03:37] <bob2> Cannabliss: the installer walks you through the partitioning
[03:37] <sh0wtime> eyequeue:  cant ping the other machine on my network either which is <IP_ADDRESS> (router is <IP_ADDRESS>) when i try to connect it says connection refused
[03:37] <cevizoglu> the sound on my laptop's speakers is just a whisper at full volume.  is there a way to fix this?  I'm on breezy
[03:38] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  'sudo route'
[03:38] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  do you have a default route?
[03:38] <Jan_> bob2: It hasn't even turned the fans off this time.
[03:38] <sh0wtime> eyequeue: 1 sec.. had to reset
[03:38] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  np
[03:38] <Jan_> What should I do now?
[03:39] <bob2> Jan_: it blanked but didn't shut down? did it print more stuff than last time? is the hard disk light on?
[03:39] <nalioth> Jan_: keep updating regularly
[03:39] <Jan_> Power light on, hard disk light off, nothing on screen.
[03:39] <bob2> Jan_: no hard disk activity at all?
[03:39] <Jan_> We're not sure whether it printed more stuff.
[03:39] <nalioth> Jan_: file or check the existence of a bug bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <Jan_> A small amount of HD activity immediately after selecting "hibernate"
[03:40] <eyequeue> cevizoglu:  two values you may want to increase, master and pcm
[03:40] <Jan_> for 2-3 seconds
[03:40] <Jan_> Power light still on. Still no HD activity.
[03:41] <Bad_Magic> bob2: no luck
[03:41] <spermite> xsession needed?
[03:41] <eyequeue> cevizoglu:  sudo alsamixer, if you don't have easy gui access to them
[03:41] <azteech> took the plunge two days ago and got rid of M$ .. on this computer .. installed the pre-release of Ubuntu 5.10 ... are there other themes/desktops that can be installed beside the stock ones that come with 5.10? if so, where can they be obtained from?
[03:41] <bob2> Jan_: ok, that just sounds like a bug then
[03:41] <Bad_Magic> bob2: can you point me towards a splash that you know is valid so i can check if its that?
[03:41] <jake18> hello
[03:41] <Jan_> bob2: Bummer.
[03:41] <jake18> wats UR asl
[03:41] <bimberi> ubotu tell azteech about themes
[03:42] <eyequeue> jake18:  american sign language?  on irc?
[03:42] <matiu> I want to package my python program, which doesn't have a make file. What can I use instead of dh_make?
[03:42] <Jan_> Does anyone care about this bug, or would I be wasting my time reporting it
[03:42] <bob2> Jan_: if yo ucould file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com that includes /var/log/dmesg, the fact you used /etc/acip/hibernate.sh and what you saw on the screen (oh, and the laptop model and such), that would be really cool
[03:42] <bob2> Jan_: people care a lot about laptop not working
[03:42] <matiu> Are there any other tutorials for creating debs that don't assume you have a makefile?
[03:42] <Jan_> Having it suspend to RAM would be even better
[03:42] <Jan_> as that's how it was usually used under windows.
[03:42] <selinium> Well time for bed, Good night all.
[03:42] <Jan_> but I understand that's much trickier.
[03:43] <csthepoet> hello everyone
[03:43] <TraceGreen> Hello, when i start "wine regedit" in linux, it shows some info, but i don't mount my windows system  yet, why does it have such info which seems my windows system has mounted?
[03:43] <MachineScrew> hello all
[03:43] <jake18> hello all
[03:43] <jake18> ctc
[03:43] <bob2> Jan_: "sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh" doesn't work?
[03:43] <eyequeue> Jan_:  i don't know which laptop you have, but yes, getting hibernate and suspecd working is something valuable
[03:43] <bob2> TraceGreen: wine has it's own fake registry, aiui
[03:43] <Jan_> bob2: Hang on. I'll tell you.
[03:44] <MachineScrew> why dosn't my battery monitor work ?
[03:44] <Jan_> eyequeue: It's a Toshiba Satellite SP10-304 rev 22.18
[03:44] <bob2> MachineScrew: does running "acpi -V" in a terminal give you reasonable-looking values?
[03:44] <Jan_> Very similar to models your laptop testing team have had success with
[03:44] <Jan_> oddly
[03:44] <MachineScrew> yes
[03:44] <TraceGreen> bob2, is the fake registry the same with my real registry if i mount my windows system?
[03:44] <jake18> hello
[03:44] <bob2> TraceGreen: no
[03:44] <eyequeue> Jan_:  mine differs, so i'm no help, but i'm sure that one is common enough to be worth diagnosing/fixing
[03:45] <TraceGreen> bob2, so, do you mean i just edit my fake registry in linux?
[03:45] <MachineScrew> but the GNOME batt mon don't work
[03:45] <boxerboy29> hi buttons
[03:45] <MachineScrew> didn't work in Horay eather
[03:45] <Cube-ness> anybody know? nvidia + 3d in latest breezy updates?
[03:45] <Buttons> hi boxer
[03:45] <bob2> TraceGreen: I don't know how you'd point regedit at the real one
[03:45] <Jan_> Cube-ness: I have a working nvidia driver on this lappy...
[03:45] <MachineScrew> I have a recent laptop as well
[03:45] <bob2> TraceGreen: I'd guess editing the wine config would be enough
[03:45] <bob2> Jan_: ah
[03:45] <Buttons> ?topic
[03:45] <TraceGreen> bob2, thanks!!
[03:45] <Cube-ness> Jan_, glx and all?
[03:45] <bob2> Jan_: with the binary drivers?
[03:46] <_jason> Jan_:  what does the hibernate do when you try it... I ahven't tried it on mine
[03:46] <Cube-ness> like i said, i tried last week and it didnt work
[03:46] <MachineScrew> so how about the damn battery monitor
[03:46] <Jan_> bob2: uh, no, I tried, but they asked for complicated things I couldn't give it (kernel source tree?)
[03:46] <Jan_> _jason: Locks it up with a black screen. It seems to half try to do it.
[03:46] <bob2> Jan_: ah, ok, thought that might have been related to the suspend issue
[03:47] <MachineScrew> never been able to get it to work slower Linux distros get it to work
[03:47] <jake18> hello
[03:47] <jake18> ctc
[03:47] <_jason> Jan_:  doesn't mess anything up right?  just need to rebooot... if not I'll give it a try
[03:47] <Jan_> we only installed them so the 3D screensavers wouldn't suck so bad :)
[03:47] <Jan_> _jason it's a hard reset, hold down the power button job
[03:47] <eyequeue> jake18:  do you have a question about ubuntu?
[03:47] <bob2> MachineScrew: it's worth filing a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:47] <_jason> Jan_:  oh ok
[03:47] <_jason> night everybody
[03:48] <Jan_> bob2: sleep.sh just echoes out a load of stuff, doesn't seem to do anything
[03:48] <MachineScrew> ya It is I have wanted to
[03:48] <coarsesalt> current issue - mplayer has stopped responding. Tried sudo killall mpalyer - it says mplayer:no process killed... anything else i can try?
[03:48] <Jan_> lots of "declare -x" stuff
[03:48] <linner> hey ya'll... i might have done this wrong... in order to get mplayer I have to add mutiverse and universe to my sources list right?
[03:48] <MachineScrew> just never knew where
[03:48] <boxerboy29> i filed a bug but they never commented on it :(
[03:48] <bimberi> linner: yes
[03:48] <boxerboy29> linner yes
[03:48] <eyequeue> linner:  then "update" yes
[03:48] <bob2> Jan_: when did you install this?
[03:48] <Jan_> ah. "/usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs line 11 /proc//environ No such file or directory"
[03:48] <linner> eyequeue, maybe that's why i'm not getting mplayer though synaptic
[03:48] <linner> hmmm
[03:49] <Jan_> bob2: Earlier today
[03:49] <sh0wtime> eyequeue: i did sudo route.  what do i look for?
[03:49] <bob2> Jan_: hrm, I had that exact problem
[03:49] <boxerboy29> linner: mplayer is in the multiuniverse sources
[03:49] <eyequeue> linner:  in synaptic, "reload"
[03:49] <linner> boxerboy29, ok
[03:49] <Jan_> someone else told me to "echo 3 > /etc/acpi/sleep"
[03:49] <linner> eyequeue, got it
[03:49] <azteech> tks, bimberi
[03:49] <Jan_> which seemed to try to work
[03:49] <Ainvar> evening all... I have a short and quick question. How can I reinstall the ipw2200 drivers from the ubuntu breezy repos? Is there a specific package I need to use or reinstall?
[03:49] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  the last line typically will indicate a default route
[03:49] <boxerboy29> :) i learned something today :)
[03:49] <linner> nope still isn't doin' it
[03:50] <linner> or getting what i need it to get anyway
[03:50] <bob2> Ainvar: why do you want to reinstall them?
[03:50] <linner> boxerboy29, how are you dear?
[03:50] <linner> :)
[03:50] <bimberi> azteech: yw :)
[03:50] <boxerboy29> linner i good thank you and your self?
[03:50] <linner> boxerboy29, oh quite dandy  :)
[03:50] <Ainvar> cause I need to, since for some reason when i recompiled them from scratch and then rm'd a dir in my downloads folder my wifi is no longer useable on my laptop
[03:50] <sh0wtime> eyequeue: first line under destination:  <IP_ADDRESS>  under it "default"
[03:51] <Ainvar> was working till I removed the directory
[03:51] <Jan_> bob2: further suggestions?
[03:51] <boxerboy29> linner: in synaptic try search on mplayer see if it brings up what your looking for
[03:51] <bob2> Ainvar: er, don't ever do that again
[03:51] <linner> that's what I did
[03:51] <jake18>  heloo
[03:51] <jake18> erewr
[03:51] <jake18> ewr
[03:51] <Ainvar> well I know this now :)
[03:51] <jake18> efsf
[03:51] <linner> boxerboy29, it only gives me one option which isn't mplayer
[03:51] <boxerboy29> buttons: how are you dear?
[03:51] <bob2> Ainvar: sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r)
[03:51] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  okay, that indicates outbound packets should be roted through <IP_ADDRESS> (your router, probably)
[03:51] <Buttons> boxer im fine ty
[03:51] <Cube-ness> i still dont know if i got an answer.. are the nvidia nonfree drivers in the breezy repos yet?
[03:52] <coarsesalt> ack. lost in the crowd of mplayer fun. one more try. mplayer not responding. tried killall. no response. where do I go from here?
[03:52] <Ainvar> thank
[03:52] <Jan_> ACPI -V gives useful info :)
[03:52] <Ainvar> thanks*
[03:52] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  scratch what i just said
[03:52] <bob2> coarsesalt: "not respsonding"?
[03:52] <sh0wtime> eyequeue:  well my router is set at <IP_ADDRESS> so what do i need to change
[03:52] <boxerboy29> linner : yoou have universe and multi set?
[03:52] <bob2> coarsesalt: does ps aux show it's running at all?
[03:52] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  after the word default, an ip address should exist.  that's your default gateway
[03:52] <bob2> Jan_: no, sorry; I'd definitely file a bug about hibernate not working, tho, it works for pretty much everyone now
[03:52] <linner> boxerboy29, i thought that's what i just did in nano
[03:52] <linner> how do i bring up that file again?
[03:52] <Ainvar> bob2 after this is done and I reboot will I need to do anything more?
[03:53] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  "default <IP_ADDRESS> ........"
[03:53] <boxerboy29> i dont knwo nano
[03:53] <coarsesalt> bob2: two tabs on the bottom. They will move back and forth, but I can't close them or use them
[03:53] <boxerboy29> ive only used it once
[03:53] <Jan_> bob2: but sleep is more tricky?
[03:53] <linner> never mind
[03:53] <boxerboy29> lol
[03:53] <linner> i found out how
[03:53] <Jan_> I'd have to open a new bugzilla account
[03:53] <Jan_> will anyone mind, I mean, I'm not really qualified to complain about software
[03:53] <sh0wtime> eyequeue: right thats what i put in network cnofig but i still cant ping anything? do i have to restart services someone first?
[03:53] <alwat> what;s the default root password
[03:53] <eyequeue> Jan_:  you're qualified :)  you use it and find problems :)
[03:53] <bob2> Ainvar: shouldn't need to
[03:54] <bob2> Ainvar: you don't even need to reboot, strictly speaking
[03:54] <coarsesalt> bob2: I beat it quite hard, i had real player, totem and mplayer trying to start things at the same time. I'm just wondering if I have an alternative to rebooting.
[03:54] <bob2> Jan_: if you include the stuff I mentioned, it will be a useful bug report, yes ;)
[03:54] <matiu> Can anyone point me to a packaging tutorial that doesn't assume I have a make file?
[03:54] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  presuming your gateway is configured to accept from you (which seems likely) then i'm out of ideas, sorry
[03:54] <bob2> coarsesalt: ps aux | grep mplayer
[03:54] <Jan_> bob2: remind me
[03:54] <Ainvar> ok well it is reinstalled
[03:54] <bob2> coarsesalt: what does that print?
[03:54] <bimberi> alwat: there isn't one - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:54] <sh0wtime> ok tnx eyequeue.. argg
[03:54] <bob2> 11:42:17           bob2 | Jan_: if yo ucould file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com that includes /var/log/dmesg, the fact you used /etc/acip/hibernate.sh and what you saw on the screen (oh, and the laptop model and such), that would be really cool
[03:54] <Ainvar> I turned off the wifi using my fn key and then turned it back on
[03:55] <linner> boxerboy29, i just ad multiverse wherever i see universe right?
[03:55] <zaphar_ps> sh0wtime: whats not working?
[03:55] <bob2> matiu: www.debian.org/devel, new maintainer's guide
[03:55] <boxerboy29> linner: no :(
[03:55] <Jan_> Is the sleep.sh thing a different issue?
[03:55] <eyequeue> zaphar_ps:  he can't ping out, even via ip
[03:55] <linner> boxerboy29, oh... :I
[03:55] <linner> crap
[03:55] <bob2> matiu: if mentions a makefile, but only because most software has one; you just need to build the software in the build target, and move everything to the right place in the install one
[03:55] <linner> boxerboy29, how might one do it?
[03:55] <Ainvar> ok the driver is loaded but it is now complaing about the firmware is Unable to load ucode
[03:55] <zaphar_ps> he on the same box he's chatting to us with?
[03:55] <boxerboy29> linner: i got mine off that ubuntuguide that ieveryone hates
[03:56] <sh0wtime> eyequeue: one last q.. would i have to restart network services?
[03:56] <Bad_Magic> so... still cant get the splashimage to work in grub =\
[03:56] <linner> boxerboy29, is it this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:56] <coarsesalt> bob2: bunch of stuff i don't understand... I saw someone get shredded for copy and pasting earlier... how should i tell you about it? It does include the .TPB file I tried to watch. First Bunuel film. very odd movie.
[03:56] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  you should not have to, but you can try
[03:56] <boxerboy29> linner nooooooooooo backports
[03:56] <linner> boxerboy29, oh?
[03:56] <bob2> coarsesalt: #flood
[03:56] <Ainvar> hmm but the firmware is there :9
[03:56] <Ainvar> very strage
[03:56] <linner> boxerboy29, it told me to add this:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:56] <Jan_> *fsss*
[03:56] <Jan_> Ahh :)
[03:57] <sh0wtime> eyequeue:  how do i do it in ubuntu?
[03:57] <boxerboy29> linner ppl keep saying backports bad they will mess your computer up
[03:57] <bolivar> I'm trying to install 5.10.  The installer appears to have a resize tool, but when I choose this options nothing happens.  The manual on the CD doesn't mention it from what I can see.  Does the CD have a resize tool or am I seeing things?
[03:57] <Jan_> bob2: The bugzilla wants a "package"
[03:57] <linner> oh ... well then why in crap is it in the guide!
[03:57] <Jan_> what do I put?
[03:57] <linner> :)
[03:57] <bob2> Jan_: linux or kernel, I forget
[03:57] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, should work
[03:58] <bob2> bolivar: hit enter on the ntfs partition, and it should give you an option to resize it
[03:58] <Buttons> oh my im so confused
[03:58] <linner> boxerboy29, tell me how to get mplayer then... that's all i wanna do
[03:58] <sh0wtime> eyequeue k tnx again
[03:58] <FhaeTon> hello
[03:58] <coarsesalt> bob2: #flood - What is an overabundance of wetness? Alex - I'll take natural disasters for 400 please (what does this mean?)  :)
[03:58] <eyequeue> sh0wtime:  good luck
[03:58] <bob2> coarsesalt: heh, show us the output there
[03:58] <Mirussa> I thought it was the mirrormax backports that were bad not the offical ones
[03:58] <FhaeTon> i need some help please
[03:58] <C_J_Pro> anyone here know when the forums should be back up?
[03:58] <Bad_Magic> Can anyone help me get a splashimage going in grub?
[03:58] <Jan_> how do I get a definitive "which version am I running" report?
[03:58] <boxerboy29> anyone have site for multiuniverse sources?
[03:59] <bolivar> bob2: When I choose the resize option I don't get any options.  Should I select another option to resize?
[03:59] <Toma-> anyone know how to import the gnome menu to kde?
[03:59] <eyequeue> C_J_Pro:  down for maintenence, i would guess a few hours
[03:59] <liz4rd> hello everyone. i was doing a dist-upgrade to breezy and when ever it gets to scroolkeeper (what ever that is) i get this long error --> http://pastebin.ca/23904 any ideas
[03:59] <bob2> bolivar: hm, I don't know, sorry
[03:59] <bolivar> OK.
[03:59] <bob2> Jan_: "uname -r" will print the kernel version
[03:59] <Jan_> Is that what I should put in this report?
[03:59] <eyequeue> Jan_:  for a given package: "dpkg -l packagename" should list a version number
[03:59] <boxerboy29> linner: plz hold
[04:00] <linner>  boxerboy29 no woories
[04:00] <Jan_> I mean, what about the version of Ubuntu? I don't know which package this refers to
[04:00] <FhaeTon> I am unsuccessful installing unbunt
[04:00] <bob2> coarsesalt: sudo pkill gmplayer
[04:00] <thehil>  How do I link C library with C++ code?
[04:00] <cevizoglu> eyequeue, thanks, alsamixer did the trick
[04:00] <bob2> Jan_: hm, good point; you're using ubuntu 5.10, tho
[04:00] <Jan_> OK
[04:00] <eyequeue> cevizoglu:  glad to hear it
[04:00] <boxerboy29> linner can you im me please
[04:00] <Jan_> I did an update earlier this evening
[04:00] <bob2> thehil: same way you link C code to a C library
[04:00] <Jan_> does that make a difference?
[04:00] <bob2> thehil: assuming the code is C++-safe
[04:00] <linner> boxerboy29:  sure
[04:00] <Bad_Magic> bob2: any help with that splashimage?
[04:01] <bob2> Jan_: it's worth mentiong that you installed yesterday (or whenever) and upgraded tonight
[04:01] <bob2> Bad_Magic: I've never used it, soryrr
[04:01] <coarsesalt> bob2: thanks for that. I'll track down the explanation for why that works.
[04:01] <Bad_Magic> =\
[04:01] <teenie> bob: i allready installed my java.. tnx
[04:01] <MachineScrew> is there a way i can add a cron job to run acpi -V every second
[04:02] <eyequeue> MachineScrew:  cron jobs have a granularity of one minute, but even that is not advised
[04:02] <teenie> where i can find a windows xp theme for ubuntu?
[04:02] <MachineScrew> ok I need my battery monitor to update
[04:02] <MachineScrew> how would I get it to do that
[04:02] <bob2> coarsesalt: the program you ran was called gmplayer, not mplayer
[04:03] <eyequeue> MachineScrew:  i'm not the one to ask :(
[04:03] <MachineScrew> bob2 is there an easy way to get the batt mon to work
[04:04] <bob2> MachineScrew: filing a bug would be the simplest way
[04:04] <MachineScrew> i did
[04:04] <MachineScrew> it still don't work
[04:04] <MachineScrew> lol
[04:04] <teenie> where i can find a windows xp theme for ubuntu?
[04:04] <bimberi> teenie: great question! i don't know but you might find something here ...
[04:04] <bimberi> ubotu tell teenie about themes
[04:04] <Jan_> bob2: Should I put the problem with "sleep.sh" in the same report?
[04:05] <csthepoet> hey how do you become a super user on ubuntu? is it the same as fedora?
[04:05] <Jan_> It strikes me that's an entirely different issue.
[04:05] <cafuego_> teenie: kubuntu-desktop would contain a few no doubt.
[04:05] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  typically "sudo foo" runs foo as root
[04:05] <cafuego_> !tell csthepoet -about root
[04:05] <teenie> i alredy visit all the site for that theme..but i am trying to find right now is a windows look like
[04:05] <bob2> Jan_: I think it's a seperate problem, yeah
[04:05] <csthepoet> eyequeue, thanks i just finished installing ubuntu
[04:05] <bimberi> teenie: ah, ok :|
[04:06] <FaithX> Does anyone have 3 Netconnect card up and running in AU that could lend some help?
[04:06] <cafuego_> teenie: If you're after a windows look-aline, KDE is your best bet. (IT even crashes like windows ;-)
[04:06] <bimberi> lol cafuego_
[04:06] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  we tend to avoid using root expect when necessary, for security reasons, but the bot should have told you how to enable it if you really need
[04:06] <cafuego_> teenie: It will be a HUGE download though (like windows)
[04:06] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  s/expect/except/
[04:06] <teenie> and where i can find that?
[04:06] <csthepoet> eyequeue, well like to download a program like in yum don't i do it as root?
[04:06] <cafuego_> FaithX: Is that one of them roaming wireless pcmcia cards?
[04:07] <eyequeue> csthepoet: yum is what?  like dpkg?
[04:07] <zaphar_ps> csthepoet: you can use sudo
[04:07] <coarsesalt> bob2: yes. not sure why its gmplayer, but those commands you sent are obviously the key to figuring that stuff out... thanks.
[04:07] <FaithX> cafuego, yes it is
[04:07] <SpudDogg> !tell SpudDogg about pure-ftpd
[04:07] <csthepoet> eyequeue, no idea haha i'm pretty new to linux as it is, like if you want to download a program in ubuntu do youdo it in terminal?
[04:07] <cafuego_> FaithX: I obly ever played with one for about 15 mins....
[04:07] <teenie> how about plug-ins in vcd file?
[04:07] <eyequeue> csthepoet: whatever admin type programs you want for ubuntu are probably already installed :)  but system > admin > synaptic may be what you want :)
[04:08] <SpudDogg> !tell SpudDogg about pureadmin
[04:08] <teenie> cause until now i cannot play my vcd in my ubuntu
[04:08] <csthepoet> eyequeue, yea i checked that out too
[04:08] <cafuego_> FaithX; But I got ppp to connect at least (if not move actual data)
[04:08] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  that's the menu path to the gui app :)  in console you can do it also though
[04:08] <FaithX> csthepoet, well it all looks pretty good... it seems to do nearly all the work by itself...
[04:08] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  "sudo apt-get install packagename"
[04:08] <cafuego_> http://www.cafuego.net/index.php?offset=10
[04:08] <cycom> hey, how can I change vlc to be the default media player
[04:08] <csthepoet> eyequeue, great thanks
[04:09] <bimberi> ubotu tell cycom about defaultapp
[04:09] <FaithX> now I just need to figure howto route ppp through /dev/modem without any auth etc.
[04:09] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  "sudo" there means "do the following as if i was root"
[04:09] <cafuego_> FaithX: Check the first post at that utl, see if there's any additional info on google.
[04:09] <Jan_> bob2: How's this: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16344
[04:09] <csthepoet> eyequeue, k that makes sense
[04:09] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  it will ask you for your *user* password (not root password)
[04:09] <SpudDogg> anyone here good with pure-ftpd and pureadmin?
[04:09] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  only the first-created user has sudo access by default
[04:10] <cycom> bimberi: that's all well and good, but what if I want to change it without having a file of that type handy?
[04:10] <csthepoet> eyequeue, so i type sudo to go into root?
[04:10] <bimberi> cycom: ah, you've got me there sorry :|
[04:11] <_rb_> heyas, where do i get vcdimanager ?
[04:11] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  um, sudo is typically used on a per-command basis ... the command to change to another user (such as root) is "su"
[04:11] <_rb_> ( for making video cd's inb k3b
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: sudo -s gives you a root shell
[04:11] <Ainvar> ok I have reinstall the kernel like I was told toget the ipw2200 drivers back, I have verified that the files for the firmware, drivers, and also the ieee80211 are there
[04:11] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  true
[04:11] <_rb_> cept su is disabled in a default install of ubuntu
[04:11] <Jan_> Do people also care about sleep not working?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> Jan_: sleep works for me
[04:11] <csthepoet> eyequeue, that's what i though now when typing su it asks you for a password, isn't that the password you use to log into ubuntu?
[04:11] <Ainvar> I also did a dmesg looking for all three and everything is working except for the firmware
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> Jan_: file a bug about it
[04:12] <Ainvar> any others ideas before I reboot?
[04:12] <Jan_> I would do but really
[04:12] <eyequeue> Jan_:  yes, though it isn't usually viewed as being as critical
[04:12] <Jan_> is it worth it
[04:12] <Jan_> It's just that it seems to HALF work.
[04:12] <_rb_> anyone on the vcdi thing ?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> possibly not
[04:12] <zaphar_ps> _rb_: it takes about 2 seconds to enable it
[04:12] <Jan_> Which is a pisser because... you know. Poeple have already done the work, it'd be nice if it was functional.
[04:12] <betaguygzt> hello everyone
[04:12] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  su - otheruser, if you have a few users set up, heh .... "sudo -s" will get you that root shell you want, as HrdwrBoB mentioned
[04:12] <betaguygzt> what happened to the ubuntu forums ?
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> Jan_: file it anyway
[04:13] <Ainvar> I would love for my suspend and hybernate to work on my dell i6000d but I know there are still issues with it
[04:13] <eyequeue> betaguygzt:  maintenence
[04:13] <betaguygzt> aha
[04:13] <betaguygzt> ok good
[04:13] <betaguygzt> ty muchly
[04:13] <betaguygzt> :)
[04:13] <csthepoet> eyequeue, and how could i get that password or set it up
[04:13] <betaguygzt> second dumb question
[04:13] <linuxmonkey> bob2,  just wanted to let you know thanks :)
[04:13] <betaguygzt> are the repositories going to be back up soon?
[04:14] <Jan_> did I do a decent job on that last bug report?
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> I bought my laptop specifically because I knew it was supported :)
[04:14] <Jan_> I don't want to crap it up
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Jan_: looks good to me
[04:14] <betaguygzt> I got a friend of mine trying outUbuntu and I needed to update his machine
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Jan_: if more info is needed, it'll be asked
[04:14] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  there is not one, this is for your protection.   set one up by "sudo -s" (now you're root) then "passwd" (as root) to set root's password
[04:14] <csthepoet> eyequeue, wait never mind seei'm trying to compare this all to fedora
[04:14] <linuxmonkey> bob2, i am now speaking to you from a wifi connection, hopefully my apps will work but atleast I got wifi
[04:14] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  yeah, typically i'd say ask this in a week, after getting used to using sudo in ubuntu :)
[04:14] <Jan_> OK, next glitch.
[04:15] <betaguygzt> anyway, thanks everyone. cheers!
[04:15] <Jan_> I installed gxine because totem was being crappy playing DVDs.
[04:15] <Jan_> It works, but it doesn't seem to handle mp3.
[04:15] <csthepoet> eyequeue, see that's another thing my best friend who set up linux for me did all this stuff and i didn't see it so now i'm actually learning
[04:15] <_rb_> anyone had success with creating vcd's in k3b ?
[04:15] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  set the root password if youi like, but do try to do things TheUbuntuWay a bit if you can, we think it's safer :)
[04:16] <Jan_> Gxine displays correct info about the mp3, but the progress bar and timer increment way too fast
[04:16] <Jan_> and no sound is generated
[04:16] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  learning (imo) is always good, even the hard way :/
[04:16] <Jan_> DVD playback works fine, for reference.
[04:16] <hari`> How do you go about working around dumb version number naming problems like this?  "Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed"
[04:16] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  i like browsing /usr/share/doc/* for it though, a bit safer :)
[04:16] <jake18> hello
[04:17] <izak30> can someone help me with sound issues with a thinkpad 600e, i need alsa config or something, and i need to load a module which doesn't appear to be installed
[04:17] <zaphar_ps> anyone know how to stop konqueror from opening everything up in a tab?
[04:17] <bob2> linuxmonkey: yay
[04:17] <csthepoet> eyequeue, so now if i want to look for a program how would i do that in root?
[04:17] <Jan_> WAV files play OK...
[04:17] <Jan_> why no mp3?
[04:17] <Jan_> does it need a separate codec or something?
[04:18] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  i'd do it as user, to find a program for "foo" i'd type "apt-cache search foo | less"
[04:18] <alexandros> hello, can someone help get video when I play wvx files right now I only get audio no matter what I use
[04:18] <f00li5h> zaphar_ps: it's under settings - configure konqueror
[04:18] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  in gui, you can use the search feature of synaptic, but i'm a commandline junkie
[04:18] <f00li5h> in behaboiur
[04:18] <bob2> Jan_: looks great, thanks!
[04:18] <Jan_> just out of interest, why are YOU thanking me? :)
[04:19] <csthepoet> eyequeue, yea i'm the same i think you get better results that way
[04:19] <hari`> Anyone have a source that fixes this?  "Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed"
[04:19] <bob2> Jan_: by filing a good bug like that, it means it can be fixed for everyone else with your hardware
[04:20] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  apt-cache search will get you a list off apps, if one looks interesting, apt-cache show packagename | less
[04:20] <bob2> hari`: don't install Debian .debs on ubuntu
[04:20] <eyequeue> s/off/of/
[04:20] <bimberi> Jan_: doing good bug reports is a valuable part of the Free Software community :)
[04:20] <Jan_> how community minded of you :)
[04:20] <bob2> and what bimberi said
[04:20] <bob2> hah
[04:20] <bimberi> hehe
[04:20] <hari`> bob2, I'm trying to install an ubuntu deb, but it must be some breezy thing without announcing it.
[04:20] <eyequeue> Jan_:  caring enough to write a good bug report is a commendable activity :)  we all win then
[04:20] <bob2> hari`: where is it from?
[04:20] <Amaranth> are the forums down?
[04:21] <Jan_> How fast can I expect a response to that? Weeks? Months?
[04:21] <linuxmonkey> bob2, you know of any wifi linux tools, like netstunbler is for windows
[04:21] <Jan_> 'cos basically, we'll be hanging on for a fix.
[04:21] <bob2> linuxmonkey: kismet
[04:21] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  maint
[04:21] <izak30> kismet for wifi
[04:21] <Jan_> it's going to be a pain not to have it working
[04:21] <hari`> bob2, cinelerra is the package, and the website gave the source line for ubuntu, but didn't say hoary or breezy or anything.
[04:21] <csthepoet> eyequeue, ok so let's say i want to search for mplayer then i type  apt-cache search mplayer?
[04:21] <izak30> airsnort and airsniff as well for wifi linux monkey
[04:21] <Jan_> ew, cinelerra
[04:21] <Bicchi> Is there a way to get a software that is in Breezy without having to upgrade to Breezy first? For now I am still using Hoary.
[04:21] <bob2> !+info libgcc1 hoary
[04:22] <ubotu> libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[04:22] <izak30> can someone help me with sound issues with a thinkpad 600e, i need alsa config or something, and i need to load a module which doesn't appear to be installed
[04:22] <bob2> hari`: even breezy doesn't have that libgcc1 version
[04:22] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  that will get you the packages that list mplayer in their longdescripions, yes
[04:22] <Jan_> OK, next problem. Why no mp3?
[04:22] <Jan_> I want my MTV goddammit
[04:22] <bob2> csthepoet: note that mplayer is not available with the default sources.list config
[04:22] <bob2> Jan_: totem can't play them by default, but gxine certainly should be able to
[04:22] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  then if you see one you like (called mplayer-586 let's say) apt-cache show mplayer-586
[04:22] <hari`> bob2, guess they're on crack; seems that a lot of people hit it for several media-related programs, if google is any indication.
[04:22] <Amaranth> Bicchi: you can see if the packages are in backports
[04:23] <bob2> ah
[04:23] <csthepoet> eyequeue, ok perfect thanks
[04:23] <Jan_> bob2: it seems to try
[04:23] <bob2> !+info cinelerra breezy
[04:23] <ubotu> Package 'cinelerra' does not exist.
[04:23] <bob2> hm
[04:23] <Jan_> Plus I'd like to associate them with gxine
[04:23] <phil_> http://www.warpmod.com/dev/Tortel/
[04:23] <Bicchi> Amaranth: i have backports enabled and i couldn't find it.
[04:23] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  apt-cache show should give you more details about a package than you want :)
[04:23] <phil_> if i'm running an athlon machine whihc kernel is better i686 or k7
[04:23] <Jan_> at the moment you have to launch it manuallyt
[04:23] <Amaranth> Bicchi: Then it probably isn't available.
[04:23] <Buddha|> !+info openbox breezy
[04:23] <ubotu> openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (breezy), Packaged size: 192 kB, Installed size: 916 kB
[04:23] <bob2> phil_: k7
[04:23] <cafuego_> phil_: k7
[04:24] <Bicchi> Amaranth: yeah but is there a way to still get it using apt-get. like to force it to download and install
[04:24] <csthepoet> eyequeue, is nothing shows up then it means that their isnt any applications with that name?
[04:24] <phil_> bob2: what the kernel is compiled with some 3d now features?
[04:24] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  nothing with your *current* sources.list entries
[04:24] <Amaranth> Bicchi: Like hand editing configuration files?
[04:24] <B_166-ER-X> is there a way to run starcraft on ubuntu..other than with Wine (wich is really slow) ?
[04:24] <bob2> phil_: that's a bit of a red herring, but k7 would
[04:25] <rob^> !cedega
[04:25] <ubotu> methinks cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[04:25] <cafuego_> B_166-ER-X: No.
[04:25] <B_166-ER-X> arr
[04:25] <rob^> B_166-ER-X, try that
[04:25] <capiCrimm> where is the sudo file?
[04:25] <phil_> bob2: what should i use to benchmark
[04:25] <csthepoet> eyequeue, ok is ubuntu the only linux system youhave used?
[04:25] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  no
[04:25] <cafuego_> B_166-ER-X: Note that cedega is just a version of wine.
[04:25] <Bicchi> Amaranth: I'll just get the sources then. its about the same degree of dificulty
[04:25] <B_166-ER-X> hm
[04:25] <eyequeue> capiCrimm:  you probably want /etc/sudoers
[04:25] <rob^> yes, but for games
[04:25] <csthepoet> eyequeue, which ones have you tried?
[04:25] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  debian and slackware
[04:25] <B_166-ER-X> hm
[04:25] <B_166-ER-X> ok
[04:25] <bob2> phil_: benchmark what? the kernel?
[04:25] <Amaranth> Bicchi: man apt_preferences
[04:25] <csthepoet> eyequeue, you like ubuntu best?
[04:25] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  so far, yes :)
[04:26] <phil_> bob2: yep
[04:26] <Bicchi> Amaranth: ok thanks
[04:26] <bob2> phil_: I don't know of anything for that
[04:26] <cafuego_> Why would you benchmark the kernel?
[04:26] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  yggdrasil was fun, in it's time, heh
[04:26] <bob2> I'm not even really sure what you mean
[04:26] <csthepoet> eyequeue, ubuntu seems easier or more like their is less stuff to deal with
[04:26] <Jan_> xine tries to play some mp3s
[04:26] <Jan_> doesn't even try on others
[04:26] <linuxmonkey> bob2, guess i'll hqave to fork out some $ to buy a card that will work with kismet and others without using ndiswrapper
[04:26] <phil_> cafuego: to see the difference between i686 and k7 kernel on the same machine
[04:26] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  less stuff unless you like to poke under the hood, then you can still do that.  best of both worlds
[04:27] <csthepoet> eyequeue, i got used to fedora but i was having a prob with it and my laptop
[04:27] <cafuego_> phil_: Negligable.
[04:27] <bob2> linuxmonkey: my ipw2100 works fine with it, as do all prism-based cards
[04:27] <rob^> just use bmp/xmms/rhythmbox etc for mp3s
[04:27] <bob2> linuxmonkey: I gather ipw2200 works fine, too
[04:27] <eyequeue> bob2:  ipw2200 here, no complaints
[04:27] <phil_> cafuego: thanks
[04:27] <janne_Newbie> hi....i have some problem...
[04:27] <linuxmonkey> yea, ndiswrapper sucks, its usefull to get u online on wifi but u can do squat with it
[04:27] <bob2> eyequeue: do you have many of the "firmware lockup, restarting" errors?
[04:28] <B_166-ER-X> .wmv file that i know works are not playing, even if i have the wvm support (on mplayer)
[04:28] <Strog> Jan_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats <-- scroll down for mp3
[04:28] <janne_Newbie> I just updatet my ubuntu and it tried to update firefox packages.....but it didnt succeed...
[04:28] <bob2> janne_Newbie: you're using backports?
[04:28] <janne_Newbie> yes...also
[04:28] <eyequeue> bob2:  i had them with an earlier kernel, i recall, and seem to have some issues with suspend to disk inconsistently that i never tracked down
[04:28] <rob^> Strog, looks like ubotu is out of date, I just got through rewriting that page
[04:28] <bob2> janne_Newbie: read the channel /topic
[04:29] <bob2> eyequeue: ah, right
[04:29] <eyequeue> bob2:  and to ram never worked, heh
[04:29] <bob2> like ipw2100 a year ago then :)
[04:29] <rob^> grr
[04:29] <Jan_> Strog: I've been looking at that
[04:29] <Jan_> but it's not helpful
[04:29] <Strog> and you installed k3b-mp3?
[04:30] <Jan_> Nope.
[04:30] <rob^> bob2, that topic is a little bit over the top
[04:30] <janne_Newbie> k....but now firefox dont let me go internet at all....tries to load but thats it...
[04:30] <Jan_> But this seems to assume I'm using Totem.
[04:30] <Jan_> I would be using Totem if it worked.
[04:30] <bob2> rob^: yeah, I don't know who set it
[04:30] <Strog> Jan_: It installs the codec with it
[04:30] <eyequeue> --- Topic for #ubuntu set by Seveas at Sun Sep 25 16:18:37 2005
[04:31] <rob^> cool
[04:31] <Jan_> all it mentions is mp3 ripping and encoding
[04:31] <Jan_> I don't want to do either
[04:31] <rob^> I just rewrote restrictedformats using the unofficial backports to get w32codecs and others
[04:31] <nihi1> sti cazzi!
[04:31] <rob^> currently its the best method
[04:31] <cafuego_> Unofficial backports? Is that at all a good idea?
[04:31] <Jan_> Christ it's 23 megs?
[04:31] <Amaranth> rob^: Except that iirc the unofficial backports doesn't have w32codecs and java anymore.
[04:32] <rob^> cafuego, know of a better way?
[04:32] <janne_Newbie> is it bad to get rid of firefox? and install it again....?
[04:32] <bob2> it's way way way way way way way simpler for people to just get the w32codecs deb and install it with dpkg
[04:32] <eyequeue> janne_Newbie:  that tinyurl mentioned in the /topic will walk you through it safely
[04:32] <rob^> java doesn't use backports on that page anyway, as for w32codecs that must be new
[04:32] <cafuego_> rob^: Not offhand, but unofficial backports leads to pain and users asking how to fix shit here ;-)
[04:33] <paulproteus> bob2: My friends would much rather use Synaptic than a terminal.
[04:33] <janne_Newbie> i cant use any urls bec my firefox dont go internet....bec i updated ubuntu...
[04:33] <rob^> cafuego, have a read of the page, it explains exactly what to do
[04:33] <Jan_> I'm confused. As regards flash "there is no free implementation"
[04:33] <Strog> Jan_: Sorry about that. Guess it was talking decoding in the context of k3b. I can play mp3 just fine on my breezy install but it's ppc and I'm not sure if there's something different
[04:33] <rob^> ie remove it when done
[04:33] <eyequeue> janne_Newbie:  apt-get install lynx :)
[04:33] <janne_Newbie> something went wrong in firefox...
[04:33] <janne_Newbie> k
[04:33] <cafuego_> paulproteus: if the syanptic way potentially causes breakage where dpkjg does nopt, they should get over themselves.
[04:33] <janne_Newbie> lets try
[04:33] <darkbutterfly> edit your source list
[04:33] <Strog> eyequeue: nah, links2 so you can use links -g. :)
[04:33] <ksmurf> Is there a way to autenticate other repo's for sources.list?
[04:34] <nihi1> ahoooo 'mbariii!!
[04:34] <nihi1> macchi spacchiufai?
[04:34] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  apt-key?
[04:34] <bob2> paulproteus: yeah
[04:34] <ksmurf> ayequeue.... apt-key?
[04:34] <bob2> crappy situation, I guess
[04:34] <Jan_> Yay, there's an iTMS replacement for linux!
[04:34] <Jan_> Yaaay!
[04:34] <GregAsche> is there a way to have two clocks displayed in the date and time corner?
[04:34] <janne_Newbie> thanks for that....i come back soon...i think..=)
[04:34] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  man apt-key should give details
[04:35] <ksmurf> k thanks
[04:36] <cafuego_> Yuckly i386-only info
[04:36] <Orborde> Is something wrong with the Ubuntu forums?
[04:36] <khermans> who needs help?
[04:36] <eyequeue> Orbman:  maintenence
[04:36] <khermans> Orborde, yes it is down on and off
[04:36] <wthanna> I have just installed Enlightenment 16. It does not show up as a "session" option to login to. What do I need to do?
[04:36] <VoX> any idea when vlc is going to be available for amd64 in breezy?
[04:36] <khermans> VoX, i had it installed
[04:36] <janne_Newbie> what was that lynx...............?
[04:37] <khermans> VoX, it should be there
[04:37] <janne_Newbie> i just installed it and i get my firefox back....(?)
[04:37] <darkbutterfly> i need some help getting my sound to work in breezy
[04:37] <darkbutterfly> it didn't work in hoary either.
[04:37] <VoX> khermans: it's there, with 5 unresolvable dependencies
[04:37] <eyequeue> janne_Newbie:  an alternative web browser, works in console (if your x dies)
[04:37] <Orborde> Is there any way I can run a 64-bit kernel but a mostly 32-bit environment?
[04:37] <khermans> VoX, what are they?
[04:37] <nihi1> a text-based web browser janne_Newbie
[04:37] <Orborde> I want to set up 32-bit Ubuntu because everything works in 32-bit.
[04:37] <drogoh> Orborde, I highly doubt it.
[04:37] <darkbutterfly> i have a gateway solo 2500, and the sound card is a neomagic 256
[04:38] <VoX> Orborde: run the 64-bit kernel and chroot the 32bit things you need to run
[04:38] <Orborde> But I want to leave open the possibility of setting up a 64-bit chroot or something later.
[04:38] <khermans> Orborde, 640bit is aproblem because of closed source
[04:38] <nihi1> siti puppi!
[04:38] <darkbutterfly> can anyone help me?
[04:38] <[klined] > how do i send files to other windows users in gaim, it fails each time
[04:38] <janne_Newbie> but why it made my firefox work properly? Before that fox didnt launch....
[04:38] <cafuego_> Orborde: You can't. it only works the other way around.
[04:38] <Jan_> gxine says "error loading library qtml.dll"
[04:38] <khermans> darkbutterfly, do you get any errors?
[04:38] <Jan_> I thought DLLs were a Windows thing
[04:38] <eyequeue> [klined] :  one protocol worked, one didnt ... try aim or yahoo
[04:38] <Orborde> cafuego_: I'm thinking of a 64-bit kernel, but everything else is 32-bit.
[04:38] <khermans> darkbutterfly, what is this a laptop, ibook, desktop PC, etc?
[04:38] <MachineScrew> any one who wants to upgrade to breezy
[04:38] <MachineScrew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade?highlight=%28Breezy%29
[04:39] <eyequeue> [klined] :  then try the other
[04:39] <darkbutterfly> not when i do a modprobe, but when i do alsamixer, it says no sound device
[04:39] <janne_Newbie> ok....but thanks for that lynx info.....
[04:39] <darkbutterfly> it's a laptop
[04:39] <Necrosan> What is Colony 5?
[04:39] <khermans> Orborde, ask yourself why you need 64-bits first
[04:39] <janne_Newbie> bye all!!!
[04:39] <Strog> Jan_: They arer. It's using the windows codecs to play quicktime
[04:39] <Orborde> cafuego_: Right now I have a 64-bit kernel and userspace, with a 32bit chroot set up for Firefox and whatnot to work.
[04:39] <Necrosan> What's the diff between this & regular ubuntu breezy?
[04:39] <[klined] > eyeque: you mean have them log onto yahoo?
[04:39] <nihi1> addio coglioni!!!
[04:39] <eyequeue> Necrosan:  fifth prerelease version
[04:39] <cafuego_> Orborde: Yes. 64bit can run 32bit. 32bit can NOT run 64bit.
[04:39] <VoX> khermans: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2527
[04:39] <khermans> Orborde, is having 0.00005 better speed in very few applications worht the user headache?
[04:40] <Necrosan> oh fuck
[04:40] <Necrosan> I downloaded the regular 5.10 from the homepage
[04:40] <eyequeue> Necrosan:  each cd is a snapshot, breezy is presently a dynamic target
[04:40] <Necrosan> can i update &  be just as advanced?
[04:40] <cafuego_> khermans: There is no user headache. Flash is shit, so not missed, same for java applets.
[04:40] <Orborde> cafuego_: So set up a 32-bit apps/etc. files and just run a 64-bit kernel.
[04:40] <Jan_> gxine seems to play absolutely anything EXCEPT mp3
[04:40] <[klined] > java applets are great
[04:40] <khermans> VoX, do you have the additional repos added?
[04:40] <Jan_> including AVIs with mp3 soundtracks
[04:40] <Orborde> cafuego_: Not everyone agrees with that.
[04:40] <drogoh> Curious, does the Hoary DVD image have no kernel support for SATA?
[04:40] <cafuego_> Orborde: In theory the 32bit apps cna run under the 64bit system.
[04:40] <rob^> ok, I removed backports from RestrictedFormats, but had to keep a way to get w32codecs
[04:40] <khermans> cafuego, yes there is, dont lie
[04:40] <darkbutterfly> alsa says it's supported, and it's also supported by oss.  but i have to use commercial oss drivers, and i don't like doing that.
[04:40] <khermans> cafuego, i ran 64-but many times
[04:40] <greg> anyone know where a howto for firefox 1.5beta on breezy is?
[04:40] <cafuego_> khermans: No, there aren't.
[04:40] <rob^> and added information on the decss installer in ubuntu
[04:40] <VoX> khermans: define "additional repos"
[04:41] <eyequeue> Necrosan:  i recommend just trying that, then doing an upgrade online with it
[04:41] <Jan_> OK, I installed that mp3 thing
[04:41] <Jan_> and still no playback.
[04:41] <Jan_> Any more suggestions?
[04:41] <khermans> cafuego, what if I am a Java programmer or java consumer?
[04:41] <bob2> greg: download binary tarball from mozilla.org. untar in your home dir.  run the firefox binary.
[04:41] <Orborde> What repo is ndiswrapper in?
[04:41] <MachineScrew> so is there an easy way to get w32codecs in breezy
[04:41] <eyequeue> Necrosan: unless you're planning on distributing multiple copies of the image or something
[04:41] <rob^> MachineScrew, kind of
[04:41] <rob^> check out:
[04:41] <MachineScrew> ok
[04:41] <khermans> VoX, in your sourcs.list file
[04:41] <darkbutterfly> is anybody gonna help me with the sound here?
[04:41] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get the rounded corners to be transparent instead of writing a rectangle in metacity??
[04:41] <cafuego_> khermans: Java applications work fine.
[04:41] <rob^> !codecs
[04:41] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:42] <greg> bob2, complains about error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so
[04:42] <VoX> khermans: yes, i meant /which/ additional repos? :)
[04:42] <khermans> cafuego, no they dont -- the 64-bit JVM crashes all the time
[04:42] <wthanna> Can someone tell me why, after installing E16
[04:42] <bob2> greg: is that file i nthe tarball?
[04:42] <glyn> I accidentally removed the trash from the panel how do I get it back?
[04:42] <cafuego_> khermans: All Java applications I use work _fine_.
[04:42] <khermans> cafuego, try a 64-bit JVM in extended usage
[04:42] <bob2> glyn: right click, add applet, select it
[04:42] <rob^> Amaranth, the java section is from the FAQ Guide
[04:42] <Orborde> khermans: I've never had the 64-bit JVM crash, but hey.
[04:42] <rob^> slightly reworded
[04:43] <Hikaru79> Are Ubuntu Forums down right now or is it just me?
[04:43] <khermans> Orborde, try running eclipse
[04:43] <greg> bob2, uhh yeah. the tarball is fine. checked md5
[04:43] <Amaranth> rob^: *shudder*
[04:43] <DonL> Here I am back in Warty after a failed upgrade from Hoary to Breezy
[04:43] <rob^> Amaranth, ?
[04:43] <cafuego_> There is no eclipse in amd64 breezy.
[04:43] <Orborde> khermans: What is eclipse?
[04:43] <bob2> greg: the file is in the tarball?
[04:43] <glyn> where do I rightclick?
[04:43] <bob2> glyn: on the panel
[04:43] <trigger_ph> is it advisable to import true type fonts from a windows system?
[04:43] <bob2> trigger_ph: if you want to
[04:44] <phil_> How do you guys follow the current conversation so much chatter in here shall we not create sub-channels like #ubuntu-media #ubuntu-installing ....
[04:44] <Hikaru79> trigger_ph, look into msttcorefonts
[04:44] <cafuego_> Well, not one that can actually install.
[04:44] <khermans> VoX, use the "main restricted universe multiverse" reops
[04:44] <glyn> that's not working
[04:44] <Hikaru79> phil_, you get used to it, honest :P
[04:44] <Amaranth> rob^: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/log.php
[04:44] <Jan_> Yay
[04:44] <Jan_> mp3!
[04:44] <khermans> cafuego, how do you run the Adobe Acrobat product in 64-bit?
[04:44] <phil_> Hikaru79: My kids do this to me asking 25 questions a sec I can't use to this
[04:44] <glyn> there is just preferences help about remove from panel and lock to panel
[04:44] <fungku> Can I get some help obtaining an IP address with dhcp (using wireless network)?
[04:44] <cafuego_> khermans: I run Evince.
[04:44] <rob^> Amaranth, we never used java from backports
[04:45] <khermans> cafuego, and how do you view encrypted PDFs?
[04:45] <cafuego_> khermans: i have no need for proprietary software.
[04:45] <Amaranth> rob^: They removed w32codecs too.
[04:45] <Orborde> phil_: Directing your comments helps.
[04:45] <cafuego_> khermans: I decrypt them first.
[04:45] <trigger_ph> bob2: ubuntu seems to have pre-classified all true type fonts into corresponding directories, unlike windows, whch places all of them in one
[04:45] <bob2> phil_: because then you'd split the available helpers 8 ways
[04:45] <khermans> cafuego, you may not, but other users will
[04:45] <rob^> Amaranth, yep, fixed that one up
[04:45] <bob2> phil_: and there are already not enough
[04:45] <khermans> cafuego, how many people know how to do that
[04:45] <eyequeue> doesn't evince handle encrypted pdfs
[04:45] <[klined] > hm
[04:45] <phil_> bob2: U do make a point
[04:45] <[klined] > aim for linux can't even send stuff to people with aim
[04:45] <glyn> can someone help me get my trash can back on the panel?
[04:45] <Hikaru79> phil_, in that case, the forums and mailing lists give quality support at a slower pace.
[04:45] <Orborde> fungku: What's your problem? DHCP is supposed to do it automatically.
[04:45] <glyn> oh wait
[04:45] <bob2> trigger_ph: yeah, doesn't really matter, tho
[04:45] <glyn> I was clicking on something else
[04:45] <[klined] > lol
[04:45] <bob2> glyn: you need to click on the actual panel
[04:45] <glyn> wrong spot
[04:45] <bob2> glyn: not on an applet
[04:46] <fungku> I've got wireless working if i define an IP address, but I want to obtain it from my router, which doesn't work.
[04:46] <fungku> I'm not sure why
[04:46] <trigger_ph> bob2: great..thanks again!
[04:46] <eyequeue> glyn:  you have a mouse?  right-click on the panel
[04:46] <khermans> Orborde, eclipse is a Java-based IDE
[04:46] <bob2> trigger_ph: ~/.fonts/ is simplest if you habve only a single user
[04:46] <Jan_> Hm.
[04:46] <Hikaru79> Are Ubuntu Forums down right now or is it just me?
[04:46] <Jan_> Lots of my MP3s crash gxine
[04:46] <bob2> fungku: does it work for other machines
[04:46] <cafuego_> khermans: With *breezy* software there is no problem on amd64. if you mix in 3rd party shit, god knows what kind of problems you get.
[04:46] <bob2> Hikaru79: down
[04:46] <eyequeue> glyn:  press the plus to add
[04:46] <Orborde> Hikaru79: Yes.
[04:46] <fungku> bob2: yes
[04:46] <Hikaru79> bob2, thanks :( Was worried about that.
[04:46] <[klined] > bob2: you would be my hero if you told me what program could send stuff to people with aim
[04:46] <khermans> cafuego, yes -- the problem is that people need these applications
[04:46] <eyequeue> glyn:  select the trash can
[04:46] <cafuego_> khermans: In 80% of cases people only *think* they need them.
[04:47] <Jan_> Uhon
[04:47] <khermans> cafuego, i agree with you that we should all push for OSS, but in the mean time, there are no alternatives on other platforms
[04:47] <Jan_> No VLC binaries for Ubuntu.
[04:47] <Orborde> cafuego_: Example?
[04:47] <Jan_> Should I use the Debian ones?
[04:47] <cafuego_> khermans: .. and get extremely defensive when you tell them there's a different way of doing things.
[04:47] <DonL> seems like lots of people are running breezy. Took me about 3 hours to make sure I had it all, but something's missing. No X
[04:47] <fungku> I have 2 windows machines which obtain an IP address with dhcp fine
[04:47] <bob2> [klined] : gaim, presumably
[04:47] <khermans> cafuego, hehe that is true
[04:47] <fungku> but ubunto won't for some reason
[04:47] <khermans> cafuego, because they realize they have wasted a lot of time
[04:47] <[klined] > bob2: you'd think so aye? lol, no luck man
[04:47] <fungku> ubuntu, even
[04:47] <bur[n] er> awww... nevermind my earlier comment about rounded corners... it seems the other modules for xorg.conf do a lot of good stuff :)
[04:47] <bob2> [klined] : where no luck = ?
[04:48] <trigger_ph> bob2: ok i don't have ~/.fonts yet, so i'll just mkdir one?
[04:48] <eyequeue> bob2:  i think gaim handles it for yahoo, but fails for the aim protocol
[04:48] <bob2> fungku: is it MAC-locked?
[04:48] <bob2> eyequeue: ah
[04:48] <[klined] > bob2: gaim has no luck sending/receiving with my buddy
[04:48] <Orborde> cafuego_: Demanding that people change applications as well only adds to trouble.
[04:48] <bob2> [klined] : maybe pork would work, I don't know
[04:48] <cafuego_> Orborde: Sugegsting, not demanding. New cheese is good.
[04:48] <Jan_> "open with" doesn't seem to work too well
[04:48] <bob2> trigger_ph: yes
[04:48] <[klined] > bob2: what if I'm jewish?
[04:48] <Orborde> [klined] : Are either of you behind a NAT? That supposedly causes problems.
[04:48] <[klined] > my firewall is disabled
[04:48] <fungku> bob2: I turned mac-address locking off for my wireless access point, but I haven't checked the router...
[04:48] <Orborde> cafuego_: The problem is helping them get alternatives.
[04:48] <khermans> VoX, http://www.nanocrew.net/?p=129
[04:48] <eyequeue> bob2:  typically an aim user has already installed yahoo messenger too :)
[04:49] <Orborde> cafuego_: Or rather, find out that they exist.
[04:49] <[klined] > what ports does aim use? never had a problem in windows with it, so I assume my router is set up right for it
[04:49] <satafterh> I just downloaded the latest version of zsnes but cant find install instructions can some one help??
[04:49] <cafuego_> Orborde: That can be hard when peple say "Fuck off, I want to fix things in  away that won't work"
[04:49] <[klined] > satafterh: if it's the source ./configure;make;make install
[04:49] <bob2> eyequeue: hah
[04:49] <khermans> cafuego, linux is not for the masses
[04:49] <bob2> satafterh: what's wrong with zsnes in ubuntu?
[04:50] <khermans> cafuego, ... in its current state
[04:50] <Jan_> Crikey
[04:50] <Orborde> [klined] : AIM uses 5190 a lot, I think.
[04:50] <DonL> satafterh, if you get it from the Ubuntu repositories like I did, it should just work
[04:50] <cafuego_> khermans: That depends, the masses generally want web, mail and office. All of those work fine.
[04:50] <Jan_> Probably more than half of my mp3s crash gxine
[04:50] <[klined] > Orborde: I think that's to connec to the main chat server
[04:50] <Jan_> maybe I just have a lot of busted mp3s, but yikes...
[04:50] <cafuego_> khermans: In most cases BETTER then on say Windows.
[04:50] <Jan_> is there a better alternative?
[04:50] <satafterh> <[klined] > it ran very slow for me
[04:50] <Orborde> [klined] : Yeah. Guess that doesn't help much.
[04:50] <wthanna> can anyone tell me how to make Enlightenment show up as a session option when i login to ubuntu breezy.. installed thru synaptic, but does not show as an option on login
[04:50] <khermans> cafuego, hehe, and if they can't click on that popup that says "Install Flash", they are screwed
[04:50] <eyequeue> cafuego:  especially in massachusetts :)
[04:51] <trigger_ph> bob2: thanks. i'm importing now, will let u know the moment gimp sees them. :)
[04:51] <khermans> cafuego, and what about all the windows-specific codecs for video?
[04:51] <cafuego_> khermans: Well, considering they'll be using a Dell, they'll be in ia32, so flash will work fine, shit though it is.
[04:51] <MachineScrew> can any one here help darkbutterfly
[04:51] <bob2> trigger_ph: heh, np
[04:51] <khermans> cafuego, what about streaming video on news sites?  A normal user gets flusterd on lknux
[04:52] <khermans> cafuego, streaming video probably turns away many people once they think they are comfortable in linux
[04:52] <Orborde> cafuego: Yeah; right up until you do something nonstandard, Linux is fine.
[04:52] <MachineScrew> she has a problem with NeoMagic 256 sound card
[04:52] <cafuego_> khermans: Joe BLow doesn't look at streaming video. he sends mail and types letters in Word.
[04:52] <khermans> cafuego, you are dead wrong
[04:52] <cafuego_> khermans: but that's an altogether different story.
[04:52] <MachineScrew> come on dang it
[04:52] <khermans> cafuego, look at the stats for Real Networks sales
[04:52] <[klined] > satafterh: hmm, not sure man
[04:52] <rob^> grr, khermans check out restrictedformats on the wiki
[04:52] <Orborde> cafuego_: What if he's clicking around CNN news and it says, "View our report on this disaster, live!", and he clicks it.
[04:52] <[klined] > cafuego: yea they do!
[04:52] <|ww> whats a good text editor that does syntax highlighting
[04:52] <eyequeue> yeah, streaming video seems common on news sites these days
[04:52] <cafuego_> khermans: No, i'm not wrong.
[04:52] <Jan_> ew
[04:53] <eyequeue> lww vim
[04:53] <WebLOCH> oreet
[04:53] <Jan_> VLC for GTK doesn't support dropping files.
[04:53] <Jan_> That's cruddy.
[04:53] <bob2> |ww: I quite like emacs; you might like gedit if you've recently come from windows
[04:53] <khermans> rob^, it doesnt have to do with restricted formats, RealPlayer does ALL formats -- even OSS ones
[04:53] <Orborde> cafuego_: In windows, it magically works. In Linux, you have to go look up a tutorial, apt-get 5 things.
[04:53] <cafuego_> eyequeue: just because it's there doesn't mean people actually click it (or visit those sites).
[04:53] <mazzabr> hi folds. I need to recovery a destroyed grub mbr.
[04:53] <VoX> wheeee
[04:53] <|ww> bob2; emacs have duel view editing?
[04:53] <mazzabr> windows has destroyed it, and now I need to recover.
[04:53] <rob^> khermans, well install it then and stop complaining
[04:53] <eyequeue> cafuego:  i see it commonly in with students and teachers here
[04:54] <cafuego_> eyequeue; They are *not* Joe Blow.
[04:54] <Jan_> OK well I@m going to slee
[04:54] <darkbutterfly> can anyone help me with my sound card?  it's a neomagic 256 on a gateway solo 2500 laptop, and it's not being detected.
[04:54] <Jan_> night all
[04:54] <Jan_> and thanks!
[04:54] <bob2> |ww: I don't know what that is, but yes
[04:54] <bob2> Jan_: adios
[04:54] <WebLOCH> hey guys, is totem meant to be able to playback AVI and MPG files?
[04:54] <Orborde> cafuego_: You do have to remember: YOU are a Linux user. YOU ARE NOT THE MASSES.
[04:54] <VoX> khermans: what was your responce to the repos? my cable dropped out :(
[04:54] <Linux_whore> where can i get gaim1.5 for ubuntu? the source wont compile on here and the gaim website does not have gaim for ubuntu. also synatic does not have the newest version.
[04:54] <mazzabr> darkbutterfly, try alsamixer
[04:54] <cafuego_> Orborde: I help the masses with their intenet woes, I _do_ know what I'm talking about.
[04:54] <darkbutterfly> i'm using ubuntu breezy, just upgraded from hoary, and it didn't work under that, either.
[04:54] <darkbutterfly> i did.
[04:54] <Madpilot> !tell WebLOCH about restricted
[04:54] <mazzabr> darkbutterfly, probably the volume at alsamixer is low
[04:55] <Madpilot> WebLOCH: Totem can - see the msg ubotu just sent you for details
[04:55] <WebLOCH> Madpilot, I know about restricted formats, im just asking if totem should
[04:55] <rob^> Linux_whore, some times you need to use debian packages for things
[04:55] <WebLOCH> Yeah
[04:55] <darkbutterfly> no, it says there is no sound card.
[04:55] <eyequeue> darkbutterfly:  sudo alsamixer
[04:55] <mazzabr> darkbutterfly, sorry then, that was the default answer.
[04:55] <Paradoxx> finally, i'm back..
[04:55] <Madpilot> WebLOCH: my Totem install can...
[04:55] <WebLOCH> Madpilot, in that case is there a way to configure totem so that it sees the extra codecs because currently it refuses to play additional formats
[04:55] <Paradoxx> lo all
[04:55] <mazzabr> darkbutterfly, was the sound working util then?
[04:55] <eyequeue> darkbutterfly:  nm
[04:55] <darkbutterfly> no, it wasn't.
[04:55] <Madpilot> WebLOCH: not sure of the details, sorry. have a 2nd look at that wiki page
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> darkbutterfly, this is the channel where the ubuntu experts live...
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:56] <eagleye> What do you reccommend for installing java
[04:56] <WebLOCH> Madpilot, will do
[04:56] <rob^> ubotu tell eagleye about java
[04:56] <Orborde> Where do I get ndiswrapper?
[04:56] <rob^> pfft
[04:56] <wthanna> anyone running E16?
[04:56] <mazzabr> darkbutterfly, you shouldn't have moved to unstable before being sure that your hardware is compatible.
[04:56] <Linux_whore> rob^ i understand, but where do i get the debian packages?
[04:56] <Madpilot> later, all
[04:56] <drogoh> Orborde, Google ndiswrapper
[04:56] <Orborde> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils says "Can't find package"
[04:56] <MachineScrew> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[04:56] <darkbutterfly> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[04:57] <Paradoxx> what do you all recommend for burning dvds?
[04:57] <MachineScrew> ok opp
[04:57] <MachineScrew> s
[04:57] <darkbutterfly> that's the error i got
[04:57] <Paradoxx> like to watch in a dvd player
[04:57] <rob^> ubotu no java is to install Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:57] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> mazzabr, here old system works fine with breezy.... since it did not even work with hoary. not an issue there
[04:57] <leopard> Ororde: you probably have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:57] <rob^> Linux_whore, on their site?
[04:57] <bimberi> Orborde: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[04:57] <darkbutterfly> to install java, you can go to applications under breezy
[04:58] <darkbutterfly> you go to add application
[04:58] <digiturtle> hello all
[04:58] <csthepoet> hey what's the installation command for ubuntu?
[04:58] <BlueLotus> Not sure if this is the right channel for this, but my apache server is telling me that there is no such function as mysql_connect(); although I have used this script on a different server and it worked fine.  Anyone know how I can properly configure my apache2 server on ubuntu?
[04:59] <Linux_whore> rob^ no i tried that
[04:59] <darkbutterfly> then click the arrow for internet, click more options, then you look until you see the java icon thingy, then you click the box, and it will ask you to add repository, click add, then you can install after that by clicking apply
[04:59] <drogoh> The Hoary DVD image, it isn't SATA aware is it?
[04:59] <bimberi> csthepoet: apt-get ?
[04:59] <JDahl> csthepoet, beginners should try "synaptic" first
[04:59] <BlueLotus> drogoh, why?
[04:59] <JDahl> csthepoet, it's in the menus
[04:59] <digiturtle> Is there an issue with ATI cards? Can't get anything but 640x480
[04:59] <bimberi> csthepoet: system -> admin -> synaptic
[04:59] <BlueLotus> I've installed hoary non-dvd on a sata and it's worked fine, drogoh
[04:59] <rob^> Linux_whore, you could download the rpm then convert into deb with alien
[05:00] <drogoh> Because I have SATA and it acts like it doesn't have SATA support in the kernel.
[05:00] <leopard> BlueLotus: you're missing the mysql module for apache
[05:00] <darkbutterfly> i've already loaded snd-nm256 which is the module for it, but i can't find anything about it unless i go into the bios
[05:00] <digiturtle> I believe that it shows the SATA drive as being a SCSI drive
[05:00] <JDahl> drogoh, it should be, but SATA is troublesome.
[05:00] <virtualc> how to enable my direct rendering?
[05:00] <drogoh> JDahl, I know it is.
[05:00] <leopard> BlueLotus: do you have mysql installed?
[05:01] <JDahl> drogoh, Hoary should support I mean. Sometimes changing BIOS settings can help
[05:01] <BlueLotus> leopard, yes I do.
[05:01] <bimberi> digiturtle: hopefully something at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto will help you
[05:01] <Linux_whore> rob^ does it matter which distro the rpm is for?
[05:01] <drogoh> Hm.
[05:01] <rob^> Linux_whore, get whatever is the latest one
[05:01] <drogoh> I peeped around in the modules and saw a few SATA controller modules but that was it.
[05:01] <lokadin> say how come, even though i have completly removed all synaptics mouse input device sections in xorg it sitll works?
[05:02] <BlueEagle> drogoh: I've got SATA and it's working perfectly. Which controller have you got there?
[05:02] <BlueLotus> leopard, how do I verify that?
[05:02] <drogoh> A while back I had tried Gentoo for kicks and the generic kernel supported everything just fine.
[05:02] <JDahl> drogoh, even Warty supports SATA
[05:02] <csthepoet> bimberi, yea i got that but i need to install the newer version of firefox
[05:02] <leopard> BlueLotus: dpkg -l | grep libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[05:02] <csthepoet> bimberi, would it be there?
[05:02] <leopard> BlueLotus: if it turns up nothing install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[05:02] <JDahl> drogoh, Debian had serious SATA problems around 1-1.5 years back
[05:02] <leopard> and restart apache2
[05:02] <drogoh> BlueEagle, Sec.  Don't have the exact model on hand but it's Intel.
[05:02] <eyequeue> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql - Apache 2 module for MySQL authentication
[05:02] <digiturtle> any idea with the low resolutions and how to configure it for 1280X1024
[05:03] <Linux_whore> rob^ nevermind i found autopackage
[05:03] <bimberi> csthepoet: yes, 1.0.7 is available via synaptic
[05:03] <lokadin> hello
[05:03] <rob^> has anyone had any success with the j2re1.4 blackdown java package in multiverse?
[05:03] <lokadin> can anyone hear me?
[05:03] <Canadean> hello
[05:03] <digiturtle> I can hear your lokadin
[05:03] <rob^> Linux_whore, yeah that will work too
[05:03] <lokadin> or am i unregistreted?
[05:03] <lokadin> digiturtle, thanks
[05:03] <bimberi> lokadin: no, but we can see what you're typing :P
[05:03] <Linux_whore> will x86 package work on a i386 system?
[05:03] <virtualc> i run glxinfo and i says direct rendering = no; how to make it yes? what to install?
[05:03] <BlueEagle> lokadin: I can't hear you, but I can read what you're typing. :)
[05:04] <lokadin> BlueEagle,
[05:04] <Canadean> can anyone tell me how to install a driver to run my Yukon gigabit adapter
[05:04] <lokadin> lol
[05:04] <Cannabliss> when i try to boot from cd with the installer i can not use my usb keyboard
[05:04] <drogoh> Linux_whore, i386 is x86
[05:04] <Cannabliss> is there anyway i could?
[05:04] <leopard> BlueEagle: did libapache2-mod-auth-mysql do it?
[05:04] <lokadin> so does anyone know why my synaptics mouse is still enabled
[05:04] <BlueEagle> leopard: do what?
[05:04] <lokadin> ?
[05:04] <digiturtle> no idea lokadin
[05:04] <lokadin> :(
[05:05] <leopard> BlueEagle: did installing libapache2-mod-auth-mysql solve your connect problem?
[05:05] <drogoh> BlueEagle, Windows is telling me Intel 82801 GR/GH for the SATA controller.
[05:05] <BlueLotus> leopard dpkg -l does not turn it up, although apt-get install says its allready the latest version.  Should I restart?
[05:05] <BlueEagle> leopard: I didn't have any connection problems.
[05:05] <Linux_whore> my p key does not work after i made some keyboard shortcuts. is there anyway to fix that or undo changes or set them back to default?
[05:05] <Linux_whore> some other keys also do not work
[05:05] <BlueEagle> drogoh: Hmm.. not familiar with that controller. What does google say?
[05:05] <Cannabliss> hello could anyone help me with being able to start the install with a usb keyboard
[05:06] <Canadean> ...
[05:06] <leopard> BlueEagle: sorry that was BlueLotus
[05:06] <Canadean> can anyone tell me how to install a driver to run my Yukon gigabit adapter
[05:06] <BiggieSmalls> could anyone help me getting the nvidia-glx driver to work in breezy?
[05:06] <csthepoet> bimberi, how do i get the new version there? i don't see it
[05:06] <drogoh> BlueEagle, Not much, just a couple of Dell forum posts (it is a Dell).
[05:06] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  are you sure it's not php that needs to talk to mysql?
[05:06] <BlueLotus> leopard, I was unable to apt-get libapache2, because it said it was allready installed
[05:06] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  php4-mysql - MySQL module for php4
[05:06] <leopard> BlueLotus: just apache /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[05:06] <Paradoxx> how can i burn some avi files to run in my dvd player?
[05:07] <drogoh> Ah hell, sec.
[05:07] <BlueLotus> eyequeue thankyou
[05:07] <JDahl> BiggieSmalls, you are probably better waiting with that until Breezy is released
[05:07] <drogoh> Had an extra space in there.
[05:07] <bimberi> csthepoet: what version do you see?
[05:07] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  np
[05:07] <JDahl> s/better/better off
[05:07] <BlueEagle> drogoh: Ehh.. Are you sure about that chip? As far as I can tell Intel 82801 is a sensor chip on the I2C bus.
[05:07] <BiggieSmalls> JDahl: u mean breezy final?
[05:07] <bimberi> csthepoet: btw the package is mozilla-firefox
[05:07] <leopard> BlueLotus: yep, what eyequeue said should help if the other doesn't
[05:08] <drogoh> The board is a 945...
[05:08] <JDahl> BiggieSmalls, yes, at least for Hoary the restricted drivers were the last thing to get ironed out
[05:08] <BlueEagle> drogoh: Never mind that. It appears to be a bridge chip or something. (?)
[05:08] <puff> Evening.
[05:08] <puff> So, more fun with my disappearing wireless...
[05:08] <drogoh> That's the generic number for stuff on the board, apparently.
[05:08] <leopard> Well folks...my last day of dialup --- I hope!
[05:08] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  most of mt db-using webapps under apache2 here are in php
[05:08] <eyequeue> my
[05:08] <BiggieSmalls> JDahl: oh ok thanks man, i know this might be a popular question but is there a ETA on when Breezy final will be released?
[05:09] <JDahl> BiggieSmalls, mid october, I believe
[05:09] <Paradoxx> !breezy
[05:09] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[05:09] <eyequeue> BiggieSmalls:  oct 13
[05:09] <csthepoet> bimberi, 1.0.2
[05:09] <BiggieSmalls> thanks guys
[05:09] <trigger_ph> bob2: i see the new fonts on gimp! hehe thanks!
[05:09] <bimberi> csthepoet: what ubuntu version are you running?
[05:09] <eyequeue> BiggieSmalls:  hoary was a few days  late though
[05:09] <hosler> Will nautilus make an audo cd or will it just burn my audo files to the cd and make it a data cd?
[05:09] <csthepoet> bimberi, 5.04
[05:10] <BlueLotus> leopard, eyequeue, neither php4 or php 5 are apearing under apt-cache search php
[05:10] <puff>  ipw-2.2-bss.fw load failed: Reason -2
[05:10] <drogoh> I know the Linux kernel has support for my SATA controller but I don't think the Hoary DVD image has it enabled, for some reason or another.
[05:10] <bolivar> What is the screen called during start up that has the bar running left to right.  I must change that thing.  The brown is killing me.
[05:10] <IceDrag0nLX> Hey
[05:10] <leopard> BlueLotus: you want the php4-mysql package
[05:10] <IceDrag0nLX> I've got another question
[05:10] <virtualc> i run glxinfo and i says direct rendering = no; how to make it yes? what to install?
[05:10] <trigger_ph> brb
[05:10] <Rafe> Breezy was the only one I found that worked right on a Toshiba laptop THANKS
[05:10] <BlueLotus> leopard, eyequeue i mean the php4-mysql *
[05:10] <IceDrag0nLX> Is there a ubuntu terminal bible/manual
[05:10] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  weird ... 5 is in breezy, but 4 was in hoary i thought
[05:10] <BlueEagle> drogoh: did either of the ICH5R or ICH6R modules work?
[05:10] <leopard> BlueLotus: have you edited your /etc/apt/sources yet?
[05:10] <hosler> Will nautilus make an audo cd or will it just burn my audo files to the cd and make it a data cd?
[05:10] <caustictwin> I have a toshiba laptop question
[05:10] <BlueLotus> leopard, nope
[05:10] <caustictwin> I guess i dl's breezy badger
[05:10] <hosler> castictwin: hit me
[05:11] <bimberi> csthepoet: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to a pastebin (such as http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl)
[05:11] <BlueLotus> eyequeue, i have the php4 module... just not the php4-mysql
[05:11] <caustictwin> I have a belkin wireless g pcmcia card
[05:11] <hosler> caustictwin: what is your question?
[05:11] <bob2> trigger_ph: np
[05:11] <leopard> BlueLotus: /etc/apt/sources.list I mean... use Synaptic and add the new repositories.
[05:11] <caustictwin> how do I get ubuntu to recognize it?
[05:11] <bimberi> hosler: i don't think nautilus does audio cds
[05:11] <eyequeue> Filename: pool/universe/p/php4/php4-mysql_4.4.0-2_i386.deb
[05:11] <eyequeue> Filename: pool/universe/p/php4-universe/php4-mysql_4.3.10-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[05:11] <digiturtle> Depends on the chipset Cactus
[05:11] <drogoh> BlueEagle, Honest, SATA is a little uncharted for me and red flags flew up when the installer didn't detect anything...
[05:11] <bimberi> hosler: gnomebaker perhaps
[05:11] <Arkainium> I can get my laptop to suspend/resume with no problems the first time.  If I try agian though, it locks up when trying to resume.  Why would it work the first time and not subsequent times?
[05:11] <hosler> caustictwin: huh? I have a toshiba laptop and ubuntu works great for me
[05:11] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  i guess you need universe now
[05:12] <caustictwin> right, this is my wireless card
[05:12] <Cannabliss> hello could anyone help me with being able to start the install with a usb keyboard
[05:12] <caustictwin> the laptop is fine
[05:12] <WebLOCH> is there anyway of installing the gnome browser component without the actual browser and composer?
[05:12] <caustictwin> but I don't want to be hardwired
[05:12] <drogoh> So I didn't try every possible thing that could have been tried (most of which I'm unsure of)
[05:12] <Linux_whore> i must of found a bug in ubuntu
[05:12] <BlueLotus> leopard, eyequeue, how do I do what you are talking about on my server?
[05:12] <csthepoet> bimberi, where do i find the  /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:12] <durt> what kind of tosh laptops do yall have
[05:12] <hosler> caustictwin: use the network-admin command
[05:12] <csthepoet> bimberi, is that in my computer?
[05:12] <hosler> durt: satellite A10
[05:12] <BlueEagle> drogoh: Well, it might be that they are simply not supported. :/
[05:12] <caustictwin> in device manager it isn't regocnized
[05:12] <bimberi> csthepoet: yes
[05:12] <leopard> BlueLotus: do you know how to use vi?
[05:12] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell BlueLotus about repositories
[05:12] <csthepoet> bimberi, oh ok
[05:12] <BlueLotus> leonel, slightly
[05:13] <drogoh> BlueEagle, How so?  Gentoo Riceburner supported it out of the box.
[05:13] <BlueLotus> eyequeue, thankyou.
[05:13] <eyequeue> np
[05:13] <JDahl> Cannabliss, the install CD doesn't recognize your USB keyboard? That's a bug you should make sure goes to one of the developers
[05:13] <leopard> Just remove the comments in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get update before doing another apt-cache search
[05:13] <Cannabliss> ok i will try to inform them
[05:13] <caustictwin> anyone know how I could get this belkin wireless card to work in ubuntu?
[05:14] <hosler> caustictwin: does it not show the card in the network-admin?
[05:14] <Necrosan> Cannabliss: just plug the keyboard in and turn it on.. it should just work.
[05:14] <leopard> fm, freaking magic! lol
[05:14] <caustictwin> no
[05:14] <Necrosan> he needs ndiswrapper
[05:14] <puff> Succeeded in resuming from hibernate on saturday, but the wifi wasn't working.  Couldn't find it from the shell level, but System/Admin/Network showed it there, but unconfigured it.  Configured it by setting the network to be the local hotspot and telling it to use DHCP, then activated it.
[05:14] <drogoh> Alas, putting Linux on this computer wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if I only had two things.
[05:14] <hosler> caustictwin: dont know then. maybe go to manufacturer site and look for drivers
[05:14] <puff> Succeeded again saturday evening, but wifi was completely gone, not showing up in the network admin applet.  Did modprobe ipw2200, no errors but no results.  Did modprobe -r ipw2200, modprobe ipw2200, now it shows up in the network applet again, unconfigured.
[05:15] <caustictwin> yeah.
[05:15] <drogoh> One, blank CD-RWs and two, a cat5 to the router.
[05:15] <csthepoet> bimberi, there you go
[05:15] <caustictwin> there are no such thing
[05:15] <puff> Also, I noticed that this time around, fn-f12 to hibernate does not work, though it worked in the previous install.
[05:15] <leopard> Anyone worked with AUI?
[05:16] <BlueLotus> eyequeue, leopard , I appreciate all the help.  It works. thanks.
[05:16] <BlueEagle> drogoh: Well, if you can lsmod it and get the module needed things would be easier.
[05:16] <leopard> BlueLotus: good stuff.
[05:16] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  glad to hear it
[05:17] <eyequeue> BlueLotus:  btw browse your package list now that you have universe, it's huge heh
[05:18] <bimberi> csthepoet: ah, ok, you need to uncomment all the lines starting with "deb http" (ie. remove the '#'), then "sudo apt-get update"
[05:18] <drogoh> BlueEagle, It would but I have no way of actually getting Gentoo booted on here.
[05:18] <Linux_whore> my p key does not work after i made some keyboard shortcuts. is there anyway to fix that or undo changes or set them back to default? some other keys also do not workhow can i fix ubuntu i guess i will reinstall it again noone here knows
[05:18] <drogoh> (unless I go and roll my own ISO from the universal CD)
[05:18] <bimberi> csthepoet: this assumes the box has internet connectivity
[05:18] <BlueEagle> drogoh: The minimal iso should suffice tbh.
[05:19] <leopard> eyequeue: have you got mdb databases working with Apache? Noticed a user at work was trying to upload one and it doesn't connect. I install ODBC drivers, but AFAIK the rest of it rests on the user having to make the database ODBC ready, nothing else I can do that I know of.
[05:19] <Orborde> Linux_whore: Try undoing all the changes you made to keyboard shortcuts.
[05:19] <eyequeue> Linux_whore:  where did you make them?
[05:19] <drogoh> But I still have a predicament of having but a single DVD+RW to my possession.
[05:19] <bimberi> Linux_whore: sorry i don't know the answer, but it must really iss you off :)
[05:19] <csthepoet> bimberi, hmm i don't understand how to do the first part with the #
[05:19] <Noah0504> Does anyone know of a SoulSeek client for Linux?
[05:19] <bimberi> csthepoet: in a terminal type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:20] <eyequeue> leopard:  no, i've only used http auth with apache2
[05:20] <drogoh> Noah0504, Nicotine, I think...
[05:20] <caustictwin> so, can anyone help me get this belkin wireless g card to work in ubuntu?
[05:20] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  in vim, press the del key while over it
[05:20] <Noah0504> drogoh: Thanks.
[05:20] <drogoh> caustictwin, Well you've probably already been told you need ndiswrapper.
[05:21] <leopard> eye: good call on the php4-mysql. Time for sleep...only one more day with dialup... ;-)
[05:21] <Linux_whore> i have tried undoing the changes. i went to System>preferences>keyboard shortcuts
[05:21] <eyequeue> csthepoet:  in vim, :wq to write changes and quit
[05:21] <caustictwin> no, actually, I have not
[05:21] <caustictwin> what is ndiswrapper
[05:21] <drogoh> caustictwin, No? Hm.
[05:21] <eyequeue> leopard:  see you here all speedy like manana :)
[05:21] <drogoh> Well it's a Belkin card so you'll definitely need ndiswrapper.
[05:21] <caustictwin> ok
[05:21] <caustictwin> is that in the standard apt repository?
[05:22] <drogoh> I think it's in universe, I can't quite remember off hand.
[05:22] <eyequeue> Filename: pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.12+1.0rc2-1_i386.deb
[05:23] <Noah0504> drogoh: Do you know if Nicotine is in the universe repository?
[05:23] <drogoh> packages.ubuntu.com :p
[05:23] <lokadin> say it keeps telling me that it logs me into the failsafe gnome version
[05:23] <eyequeue> you need the utils package plus the kernel modules
[05:23] <puff> Hm, this site:  http://aaltonen.us/archive/2005/03/02/ubuntu-linux-on-the-ibm-thinkpad-t42/
[05:23] <eagleye> How do you open a bin file
[05:23] <Cannabliss> my usb keyboard definitely does not work on the installer
[05:23] <csthepoet> bimberi, and do i delete all the #?
[05:23] <eyequeue> eagleye:  /usr/bin/file on it
[05:23] <puff> Though written for a t42, not a t43, seems to suggest that I need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add a reusme option.
[05:23] <eyequeue> eagleye:  then tell us what kind it is
[05:24] <eagleye> real player
[05:24] <alex_798712> i'm having trouble with my xorg.conf after upgrading my kernel
[05:24] <bimberi> csthepoet: no just on the lines beginning with "# deb http" - there's 5 of the
[05:24] <alex_798712> can someone help?
[05:24] <Noah0504> Thanks.  It is, that will make things easy!
[05:24] <bimberi> m
[05:24] <caustictwin> hrm
[05:24] <nalioth> alex_798712: we need more info
[05:24] <caustictwin> cannot find ndiswrapper
[05:24] <drogoh> caustictwin, Well since you probably know the model of your card, go here to see if you're supported: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[05:24] <alex_798712> i ran the update
[05:25] <alex_798712> when i reboot the x server failed
[05:25] <drogoh> caustictwin, ndiswrapper-utils
[05:25] <eyequeue> ubotu:  te;; caustictwin about ndiswrapper
[05:25] <ubotu> eyequeue: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:25] <alex_798712> so i grabbed the nvidia driver off nvida's site
[05:25] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell caustictwin about ndiswrapper
[05:25] <alex_798712> ran the installer
[05:25] <alex_798712> but i don't have the kernel sources
[05:25] <csthepoet> bimberi, ok did that now save?
[05:25] <alex_798712> so i can't create a custom module
[05:25] <bimberi> csthepoet: yes
[05:25] <nalioth> alex_798712: the nvidia drivers available using synaptic didnt work?
[05:25] <csthepoet> ok done
[05:25] <caustictwin> drogoh, thanks
[05:25] <alex_798712> how would i retreive them?
[05:26] <alex_798712> apt-get ...?
[05:26] <bimberi> csthepoet: then hit reload in synaptic
[05:26] <alex_798712> i don't have any gui
[05:26] <lokadin> so okay, well besides that my xorg.conf seems to have no relationship to my Xsession, and my firefox doesn't support characters, i was wondering how in the world i can make gdm stop complaining that it can't find the default GNOME session
[05:26] <alex_798712> only command line
[05:26] <nalioth> !tell alex_798712 about apt
[05:26] <SuperNinjaKitty> i dont want to cause an argument but i wonder what are the advantages of running Ubuntu over Debian
[05:26] <jrattner1> Package kdebluetooth has no available version, but exists in the database?
[05:26] <julio> I need help connecting to my Home Network
[05:27] <nalioth> SuperNinjaKitty: US
[05:27] <eyequeue> alex_798712:  sudo apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r`
[05:27] <jrattner1> Anyone ever seen that synaptic error
[05:27] <drogoh> SuperNinjaKitty, As my friend kassetra told me once before, "Ubuntu is Debian done right".
[05:27] <csthepoet> bimberi, i got an error entering synaptic
[05:27] <lokadin> i dono, i think my ubuntu is evolving all on it's own
[05:27] <drogoh> Now I don't know what aspect she meant.
[05:27] <eyequeue> alex_798712:  sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[05:27] <bimberi> csthepoet: that's ok, just hit reload
[05:27] <lokadin> it has configuration files stored in the middle of nowhere, in non existant parts of the computer
[05:28] <lokadin> my mouse is working without any sections in the xorg.conf,
[05:28] <jrattner1> Can i use a deb package KDE Bluetooth, with ubuntu? cause the package isnt available via synaptic?
[05:28] <bimberi> csthepoet: that was because synaptic noticed that the sources.list was different to what it remembered
[05:28] <alex_798712> thanks
[05:28] <alex_798712> that will build the kernel tree?
[05:28] <WebLOCH> Anyone here used Rhythmbox?
[05:28] <lokadin> i just wanna kill myself because ubuntu is soo depressinng
[05:28] <nalioth> jrattner1: it'd be better to compile it yourself
[05:28] <eyequeue> alex_798712:  you may need to unpack it still
[05:28] <jrattner1> nalioth, you think i should compile it from source?
[05:29] <WebLOCH> lokadin, ubuntu is fun! shurrup, whats your trouble?
[05:29] <drogoh> lokadin, Then go to Gentoo, troll. ;/
[05:29] <nalioth> WebLOCH: rhythmbox is the default player
[05:29] <eyequeue> alex_798712:  may be a tarball under /usr/src
[05:29] <SuperNinjaKitty> drogoh how do you mean?
[05:29] <alex_798712> right
[05:29] <csthepoet> bimberi, wow now i see alot of new things
[05:29] <nalioth> jrattner1: some debian packages can break your ubuntu, so compiling the item you want from source is a better alternative
[05:29] <WebLOCH> nalioth, mine was not, however it would seem it doesnt seem to work at the moment although other audio does
[05:29] <eagleye> here it is>RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 8 0386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared lib s), not stripped
[05:29] <alex_798712> then i would try the nividia installer again?
[05:29] <lokadin> drogoh, i have gentoo :( but on my laptop for school i don't think i can waste my time with compiling things, if i could make a hybrid that would be nice
[05:29] <drogoh> SuperNinjaKitty, Like I said, I'm not sure.  I believe she meant the political crusade that people go through with Debian proper.
[05:29] <nalioth> WebLOCH: it's named 'Music Player' for some reason
[05:29] <BOOMSHOT> sup Everyone!
[05:30] <bimberi> csthepoet: yes, you were looking at just what's on the install cd
[05:30] <eyequeue> eagleye:  it wants you to run it ...              ./filename.bin
[05:30] <drogoh> lokadin, Then do a LFS if you want something more exciting than Gentoo or Ubuntu.
[05:30] <WebLOCH> nalioth, ahh that might be why!  even so, it does not seem to playback audio, it gives an error message
[05:30] <csthepoet> bimberi, ahh ok hey maybe you can help me in one more thing
[05:30] <eyequeue> eagleye:  chmod +x filename.bin ;  ./filename.bin
[05:30] <drogoh> I don't have the patience for LFS or I'd have done at least three.
[05:30] <csthepoet> bimberi, if you don't mind
[05:30] <SuperNinjaKitty> drogoh fair enough
[05:30] <Noah0504> I'm following the instructions in the Ubuntu Guide to add the universe repository so I can install Nicotine.  It looks like it's also adding others besides just the universe...Is that okay?
[05:30] <eagleye> thank you. i will try
[05:30] <nalioth> WebLOCH: sound problems plague ubuntu, have you been to what ubotu is gonna send you?
[05:30] <tristanmike> hi eagleye
[05:30] <bimberi> bimberi: sure, fire away
[05:31] <jrattner1> where are X includes in ubuntu?
[05:31] <eagleye> hey whats up
[05:31] <WebLOCH> nalioth, I have sound working fine, i think its a rhythmbox/gstreamer problem
[05:31] <bimberi> csthepoet: sure fire away
[05:31] <BOOMSHOT> Newbie here - I broke Mozilla-firefox & can't seem to reinstall using apt-get nor Synaptic...helllppp
[05:31] <nalioth> jrattner1: you should install xlibs-dev
[05:31] <bimberi> D'Oh - i haven't done that for a while
[05:31] <jrattner1> nalioth, sounds good
[05:31] <tristanmike> eagleye, nadda
[05:31] <BOOMSHOT> Can someone help?
[05:31] <SuperNinjaKitty> drogoh one thing i have seen that ubuntu does have that is very well done is the user guide
[05:31] <nalioth> WebLOCH: give the URL a glance, you may see something
[05:31] <lokadin> drogoh, no, no i want something that will be easy to work worth
[05:31] <drogoh> Noah0504, If you're trying to be a GPL purist, no.  If you're not a GPL fanatic, yes.
[05:31] <bimberi> BOOMSHOT: see /topic
[05:31] <WebLOCH> nalioth, will do
[05:31] <drogoh> lokadin, VLOS, Fedora, CentOS. :p
[05:31] <nalioth> BOOMSHOT: do you use synaptic or console apt-get?
[05:31] <caustictwin> so far, I really like breeezy badger
[05:32] <MadpilotPPC> hi all
[05:32] <caustictwin> it looks nice
[05:32] <Noah0504> drogoh: Well, in that case, I guess I'll be adding them! haha
[05:32] <caustictwin> looks like some time was spent on the gui
[05:32] <lokadin> drogoh, but they aren't easy to work with :( you have to find rpm
[05:32] <nalioth> MadpilotPPC: PPC?
[05:32] <csthepoet> bimberi, i have ubuntu installed on one partition and fedora on another, but everytime i restart grub only loads ubuntu, how could i load fedora
[05:32] <lokadin> drogoh, with gentoo you have to compile
[05:32] <drogoh> Pah.
[05:32] <BOOMSHOT> nalioth: I tried both ... saying unmet dependencies but wont install them
[05:32] <drogoh> You've got scripts.
[05:32] <drogoh> Quit trolling.
[05:32] <MadpilotPPC> nalioth, housesitting for a friend, using his G4 w/ Ubuntu... ;)
[05:32] <evil_k> hey, im new to linux & ubuntu, can i play mp3s from an ntfs hd?
[05:32] <WebLOCH> nalioth, doesnt seem to be related at all
[05:32] <lokadin> drogoh, and with ubuntu the configuration files don't relate to the applications
[05:32] <jrattner1> nalioth, Any other libs you think i should install
[05:33] <nalioth> BOOMSHOT: use one and completely remove your problem programs
[05:33] <cafuego_> MadpilotPPC: Well well.
[05:33] <drogoh> You've got yum with RH and friends, emerge, porthole with Gentoo.
[05:33] <bimberi> csthepoet: you mean that there is no optoin for Fedora in the grub menu?
[05:33] <citrosack> question:  when i plug in my jump drive it automatically mounts it at sdb1  ALTHO i don't want it to mount automatically.... how can i prevents this with out disabaling hotplug?
[05:33] <csthepoet> bimberi, yea
[05:33] <lokadin> drogoh, hmmm i guess your right, gentoo would be a better option
[05:33] <BOOMSHOT> nalioth: give me a suggested command 4 instance for mozilla-firefox
[05:33] <drogoh> SuperNinjaKitty, One thing I've noticed about the Ubuntu project is that it seems to be gearing itself at being developed for users and not developers.
[05:33] <lokadin> drogoh, :) thanks i'll get the install underway then
[05:33] <cafuego_> citrosack: There's an option to not auto-mount removable drives in the prefs somewhere
[05:33] <BOOMSHOT> in apt-get
[05:34] <BOOMSHOT> newbie here
[05:34] <nalioth> BOOMSHOT: "sudo apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox"
[05:34] <BOOMSHOT> thnx
[05:34] <drogoh> That seems to be one of the downfalls of other distributions.
[05:34] <citrosack> cafuego_: thanks but i want my ipod to mount automatically..
[05:34] <SuperNinjaKitty> drogoh i have given away probably 30 ubuntu cds
[05:34] <jrattner1> nalioth, its says it cant find QT which is installed (headers and libraries)
[05:34] <eyequeue> citrosack:  you have me curious, why don't you want it mounted?
[05:34] <bimberi> csthepoet: ok, a bit tricky for me that one,  you'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to include information for booting Fedora,  however what you need to put in is beyond me
[05:35] <cafuego_> citrosack: Then you'll have to put up with other removable drives automounting too.
[05:35] <nalioth> jrattner1: you've installed the QT dev libs?
[05:35] <citrosack> cafuego_: theres got to be a better way then that
[05:35] <jrattner1> nalioth, no not the dev, i assumed i didnt need them
[05:35] <bimberi> csthepoet: others here might know, or maybe google
[05:35] <cafuego_> citrosack: Howso?
[05:35] <csthepoet> bimberi, ok and where do i do that?
[05:35] <cafuego_> citrosack: How is the system supposed to distinguish them without mounting them first?
[05:35] <nalioth> jrattner1: for compiling your own things, you need -dev packages
[05:36] <thechris> i'm attempting to install ubuntu off of an older cd.  i think it is "horay"
[05:36] <drogoh> During my short experience with this particular distribution, it seems to be positioning itself as one of the most user oriented Linux distributions out there...
[05:36] <thechris> but the install fails
[05:36] <jrattner1> ahhh
[05:36] <puff> thechris: hoary.
[05:36] <thechris> "some packages failed to install"
[05:36] <bimberi> csthepoet: to edit the file would be "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[05:36] <drogoh> Now if only that pesky hardware detection thing can be dealt with.
[05:36] <Crys_Win> Hehe. Hoary.
[05:37] <citrosack> cafuego_: well 'cat /proc/scsi  tells you what the device is     fstab and mtab are used for mounting and determining variables such as read only and whatnot   i am sure theres got to be a way
[05:37] <thechris> it didn't specify what files though, and X11 won't start because apparently there is no xserver installed...
[05:37] <drogoh> Ah well, it's a young project as of yet.  I suspect those things will be ironed out in releases to come.
[05:37] <csthepoet> bimberi, do i do that in root?
[05:37] <evil_k> how can i play a dvd?
[05:37] <SuperNinjaKitty> drogoh i have very basic hardware so most anything installs fine :)
[05:37] <thechris> i'm out of CDRs, so i can't get a different version
[05:37] <bimberi> csthepoet: normal user is fine (sudo handles the root access)
[05:37] <cafuego_> citrosack: I doubt it, none that I know of anyway that can be set easily in a preferences file somewhere. maybe udev can handle it, but udev config is voodoo!
[05:37] <eyequeue> thechris:  you can try 'sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core'
[05:37] <drogoh> SuperNinjaKitty, Then you have the ones with the newer and sometimes more obscure hardware like me.
[05:38] <nalioth> !tell evil_k about restricted
[05:38] <drogoh> Linux distributions are *really* hit and miss with this particular hardware.
[05:38] <citrosack> does ubuntu use udev?
[05:38] <cafuego_> citrosack: yes
[05:38] <BOOMSHOT> nalioth: I did what u typed: said not there to remove
[05:38] <csthepoet> bimberi, ok thank i'll find out the rest
[05:38] <WebLOCH>  what is the Gnome Media package for?
[05:38] <nalioth> BOOMSHOT: interesting
[05:38] <csthepoet> bimberi, thank you so much for everything, you've been a great help
[05:39] <bimberi> csthepoet: np - good luck :)
[05:39] <BOOMSHOT> nalioth: try install mozilla-firefox said: Depends: firefox but it is not installable
[05:39] <nalioth> BOOMSHOT: are your repos official or are you installing from somewhere else?
[05:39] <BOOMSHOT> official
[05:39] <citrosack> cafuego_: whats the difference between udev and the "norm"
[05:39] <cafuego_> citrosack: udev *is* the norm.
[05:40] <csthepoet> bimberi, you to in whatever you may need haha
[05:40] <citrosack>   maybe for ubuntu  but not so in gentoo or slackware or others that i have used
[05:40] <jrattner1> Whats the difference between Kubuntu and installing KDE for ubuntu
[05:40] <BOOMSHOT> when I unistalled mozilla-firefox it also uninstalled gnome support, yelp, ubuntu-desktop etc
[05:40] <drogoh> citrosack, Erm...
[05:40] <nalioth> BOOMSHOT: can you copy and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the address ubotu just sent you?
[05:40] <bimberi> csthepoet: thanks! :)
[05:40] <BOOMSHOT> k
[05:40] <cafuego_> citrosack: if they run recent 2.6 kernels, they ought to be using it. perhapsd configured differtnly.
[05:40] <drogoh> udev is the normal with 2.6
[05:40] <SuperNinjaKitty> jrattner none that i know of
[05:40] <drogoh> devfs is highly depreciated/obsolete.
[05:41] <SuperNinjaKitty> cept of course you'll have gnome too
[05:41] <cafuego_> If they don't use it, that would explain why they suck ;-)
[05:41] <nalioth> jrattner1: they are the same
[05:41] <eyequeue> dep-rec-a-ted :)
[05:41] <WebLOCH> eyequeue, sounds java-esque to me
[05:41] <Linux_whore> i have another harddrive not hooked up yet. how could i make it a ext3 fs and use it as extra space or mount it to /home? is there software for this i can use from ubuntu?

[05:41] <jrattner1> nalioth, so when it says i need KDE headers, i assume it means kde-dev
[05:41] <citrosack> well anyways  i spose i can just right a script that will auto mount my ipod and i will just disable everything else
[05:42] <liable> ahh, thats betterer..
[05:42] <alex_798712> got it
[05:42] <alex_798712> thank you
[05:42] <nalioth> jrattner1: if you open synaptic, and search for -dev, you can see some of the things you need
[05:42] <nalioth> jrattner1: it wont hurt to have anything you see there installed
[05:42] <jrattner1> nalioth, sounds good
[05:43] <drogoh> eyequeue, I always entitle myself to one stray character every so often, more so when I'm tired.
[05:43] <jrattner1> nalioth, I cant wait to be able to hook up my phone to my laptop and stuff
[05:43] <IceDrag0nLX> Hey
[05:43] <nalioth> jrattner1: bluetooth is kewl
[05:43] <IceDrag0nLX> again
[05:43] <eyequeue> drogoh:  i am a lousy typist, just give myself one pedantic comment every so often, heh
[05:43] <jrattner1> nalioth, then I will have no need to use windows ever again, as long as I can sync my calendar from my phone to some program in KDE
[05:44] <bdunn> I am wanting to check out Ubuntu (use Gentoo now).  Is there something seriously wrong with ubuntuforums.org?
[05:44] <IceDrag0nLX> Is there a manual/bible/guide to using the terminal?
[05:44] <nalioth> jrattner1: we could all wish to be free
[05:44] <nalioth> !tell IceDrag0nLX about cli
[05:44] <IceDrag0nLX> I have an rpm file that I am unable to install, and I how do I run executables?
[05:44] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  /usr/share/doc/bash-doc/ perhaps?
[05:44] <bimberi> bdunn: apparently down atm
[05:44] <nalioth> IceDrag0nLX: is the program unavailbe using ubuntu repos?
[05:44] <jsubl2> IceDrag0nLX: http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[05:44] <BOOMSHOT> nalioth: i pasted it in #flood
[05:45] <bdunn> bimberi: I've never been able to reach it.  Is it down a lot?
[05:45] <BOOMSHOT> I changed to a official mirror because of connectivity issues last night
[05:45] <jrattner1> nalioth, any ideas about syncing the calendar
[05:45] <drogoh> eyequeue, I should be ashamed of myself for typing that every time I type it.
[05:45] <bimberi> bdunn: not really, although a few times of late
[05:45] <nalioth> jrattner1: i dont own a bt celly, sorry
[05:45] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  ubuntu is .deb-based, not .rpm-based, try finding a .deb instead (man alien) ... running can be ./foo
[05:45] <bimberi> hi thoreauputic!
[05:45] <evil_k> i cant get into ubuntuforums.org either
[05:45] <drogoh> If you knew my line of work, you'd see the irony.
[05:45] <drogoh> evil_k, It's down.
[05:45] <thoreauputic> hi bimberi :)
[05:45] <evil_k> bummer
[05:45] <IceDrag0nLX> oh
[05:45] <IceDrag0nLX> :-=
[05:45] <IceDrag0nLX> :-\
[05:45] <eyequeue> drogoh:  heh
[05:45] <DavidLeeRoth> Hi, i am building a computer and i have a problem picking a case. The PC will run ubuntu linux exclusively. I am picking parts compatible for Vista though.
[05:46] <IceDrag0nLX> Where do I get Java?
[05:46] <Noah0504> I added all of the extra repositories, but when I search for nicotine in Synaptic, I get no results.
[05:46] <drogoh> DavidLeeRoth, Big spender...
[05:46] <IceDrag0nLX> Well, I got the Uplink demo, it comes in a tar.gz, so I extract it and there's the uplink executable
[05:46] <IceDrag0nLX> how would I run that?
[05:46] <nalioth> !tell IceDrag0nLX about java
[05:46] <IceDrag0nLX> Double clicking gives me an error
[05:46] <BOOMSHOT> nalioth: i pasted sources.list in #flood
[05:47] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  no idea what it is ... ./filenamehere as an example
[05:47] <ksmurf> sorry to bother you.... but how do you add a non standard repository to be trusted?  I gpg the key from a keyserver but now how do I add that to synapitic?
[05:47] <breakthestate> url or other resource for apt-getting mplayer on ubuntu?
[05:47] <nalioth> !tell ksmurf about repos
[05:47] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  man apt-key ... i think it's sudo apt-key add whatever
[05:47] <IceDrag0nLX> eyequeue, it says permission denied, and I ran it as root and the account it belongs too
[05:47] <drogoh> Stupid Freenode.
[05:48] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  did you chmod +x filename, first?
[05:48] <IceDrag0nLX> Oy, will I be able to use cedega on ubuntu?
[05:48] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX: try that
[05:48] <IceDrag0nLX> no
[05:48] <IceDrag0nLX> I will
[05:48] <IceDrag0nLX> hold
[05:48] <drogoh> Why oh why did they have to go and screw with hybrid?
[05:48] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX: i sure hope this thing is safe to run, no guarantees if it's not, heh
[05:48] <drogoh> Hyperion sucks the choad.
[05:48] <IceDrag0nLX> eyequeue, it is
[05:48] <drogoh> ;/
[05:48] <eagleye> Hey, tristanmike, private msg me.. if you can..
[05:49] <ksmurf> eyequeue I read tah man page and tried but it is looking for a file not a url
[05:49] <IceDrag0nLX> But, I noticed ubuntu doesnt support 3d acceleration, does that mean I will be unable to use cedega?
[05:49] <Noah0504> If I install the mad package, will that allow MP3 playback in amaroK?
[05:49] <tritium> IceDrag0nLX, what do you mean ubuntu doesn't support 3D acceleration?
[05:49] <MadpilotPPC> IceDrag0nLX, which 3d card do you have?
[05:49] <DavidLeeRoth> i am getting the MACH SPEED VIPER mobo ATX AMD64 edition, but i am having a hard time finding a case that fits it
[05:50] <tristanmike> eagleye, close your dialog with me
[05:50] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  okay, cool, here's how to get a file, okay?  gpg --armor --export (keyidgoeshere) > foo.asc ; sudo apt-key add foo.asc
[05:50] <DavidLeeRoth> anyone help please?
[05:50] <eagleye> i did
[05:50] <IceDrag0nLX> MadpilotPPC, GeForce 4 ti 4700
[05:50] <IceDrag0nLX> *4800
[05:50] <IceDrag0nLX> runs games great in windows
[05:50] <evil_k> i can see the files on my ntfs drive, but can i read them? (xmms locks up when i try to play mp3s)
[05:50] <DavidLeeRoth> I am getting a 9600tx 256 ded ram for vista
[05:50] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  if it's not obvious, that puts an ascii-armored version of the key in foo.asc
[05:50] <IceDrag0nLX> Should be gettinging a 7800 GT in SLi soon
[05:50] <ksmurf> eyequeue thanks
[05:50] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  np
[05:51] <tritium> IceDrag0nLX, there'
[05:51] <IceDrag0nLX> evil_k, works fine for me
[05:51] <tritium> s nvidia support in ubuntu
[05:51] <puff> i'm having some problems with my wireless hardware, eth1 didn't show up in ifconfig, but when I ran the System/Admin/Networking applet, it showed up there, but grayed out and "unconfigured".  Once i configured it (selecting a network, telling it to use dhcp) it ungrayed and i could activate it.
[05:51] <evil_k> is there a patch or anything?
[05:51] <puff> How would/should i have looked for this at the shell prompt?
[05:51] <breakthestate> puff
[05:51] <tristanmike> eagleye, I'm doing it, I don't know what's going on
[05:52] <IceDrag0nLX> ./uplink: relocation error: ./uplink: undefined symbol: __glutRoot
[05:52] <IceDrag0nLX>  <-- error I got when I chmodded +x then ran it './uplink'
[05:52] <breakthestate> has your wireless hardware worked in the past?
[05:52] <DavidLeeRoth> does anyone here have experience with PC building?
[05:52] <eagleye> ok,,
[05:52] <IceDrag0nLX> DavidLeeRoth, I do
[05:52] <puff> Goddamn it, I'm *using* the wireless right now, but when I just reloaded the network applet, it shows as "unconfigured" again.
[05:52] <tritium> puff, interfaces are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:52] <puff> breakthestate: Yeah, it worked fine.
[05:53] <breakthestate> puff, when you run ifconfig does wlan0 show up?
[05:53] <MadpilotPPC> !tell IceDrag0nLX about nvidia
[05:54] <puff> http://pastebin.com/374336
[05:54] <puff> no, but eth1 shows up - now.
[05:54] <tritium> puff, configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:54] <DavidLeeRoth> icedragonlx, are you there?
[05:54] <puff> tritium: nothing in /etc/network/interfaces mentions eth1.
[05:55] <puff> what should the line look like?
[05:55] <tritium> puff, man interfaces for some good documentation.  I'll give you a quick example too.
[05:55] <tritium> puff, auto eth1
[05:55] <tritium> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[05:56] <breakthestate> puff, iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[05:56] <breakthestate> ok, beat me, he he
[05:56] <breakthestate> except eth1 like he said
[05:56] <breakthestate> stupid me
[05:56] <puff> Hm, should i use wlan0 or eth1?  it defaulted to eth1.
[05:56] <eyequeue> use what it used :)
[05:56] <breakthestate> i say just use what works
[05:56] <nalioth> puff: eth1 is the default name for your wireless
[05:57] <breakthestate> anyone here use mplayer for ubuntu?
[05:57] <DavidLeeRoth> can anyone here help me with a mobo/atx case issue
[05:57] <sdali> Xine
[05:57] <ksmurf> eyequeue that's exactly what I needed.... Thanks
[05:57] <nalioth> DavidLeeRoth: if you give us some info, yes
[05:57] <eyequeue> ksmurf:  glad to
[05:57] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: what's the issue?
[05:58] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: What form-factor is your motherboard?
[05:58] <evil_k> is there a reason im not getting audio from any media players?
[05:58] <DavidLeeRoth> Ok, i am buiding my own pc to have the sys req for vista - 256ded mem video card, cpu, etc
[05:58] <puff> Okay, so add those lines and then do i need to /etc/init.d/networking reload
[05:58] <DavidLeeRoth> i am buying this mobo
[05:58] <DavidLeeRoth> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813187010
[05:58] <azteech> have really slow internet connection happening with ubuntu 5.10 .... believe it is due to ipv6 being enabled. how can I turn off/disable ipv6 in breezy (pre)
[05:58] <breakthestate> evil: do you get audio from other things?
[05:58] <DavidLeeRoth> and i am having a hard time finding an ATX case to fit it
[05:59] <sdali> Has anyone successfully upgraded libc6 to 2.3.2.ds1-21? If so, please tell me where you got it, and how you installed it.
[05:59] <evil_k> i hear ubuntu's sound effects
[05:59] <DavidLeeRoth> it has a weird nic/usb layout
[05:59] <breakthestate> evil - try running alsaconf in a terminal and see what happens
[05:59] <DavidLeeRoth> but this mobo is the greatest for price and because its compatible with linux
[05:59] <DavidLeeRoth> it will run linux exclusively
[05:59] <iverson0881> any timeframe for when the forums will be back up?
[05:59] <DavidLeeRoth> and MAYBE VISTA in the futur
[06:00] <DavidLeeRoth> can anyone help?
[06:00] <nalioth> DavidLeeRoth: that mobo should be fine (if and when vista actually releases)
[06:00] <tritium> breakthestate, there is no alsaconf
[06:00] <Linux_whore> this is too long for here goto http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=367041
[06:00] <breakthestate> okay, thx, i'm going to stop giving advice
[06:00] <evil_k> i get "alsaconf: command not found"
[06:00] <breakthestate> actually, i'm really sry
[06:00] <crimsun> sdali: do not mess with libc6 if you don't know darned well what you're doing.
[06:00] <breakthestate> i need to realize ubuntu is quite diff than other linux distros
[06:01] <DavidLeeRoth> because its the best breakthestate
[06:01] <tritium> it's fairly similar to debian
[06:01] <crimsun> breakthestate: alsaconf was removed, like tritium said, because it's a horribly maintained, insecure application.
[06:01] <WebLOCH> crimsun, you got the madphat sound skills, i saw your name on the wiki yo.
[06:01] <vladuz976> i was trying to post to the forum but that website is down. can someone here help me with sound and usb in breezy?
[06:01] <sdali> crimsum: I _don't_ know what I'm doing. :) I want to install transcode, but it needs the updated libc6
[06:01] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: I see the motherboard. What's the problem exactly?
[06:01] <nalioth> DavidLeeRoth: atx case
[06:01] <breakthestate> yeah, i know, but most of the other debian-based distros i've tried had things work that work in debian
[06:01] <breakthestate> i know ubuntu is better
[06:01] <breakthestate> just different
[06:01] <crimsun> sdali: transcode is in breezy/multiverse
[06:02] <breakthestate> crimsun: what does ubuntu use?
[06:02] <crimsun> sdali: don't even think about trying to fudge libc6 into your Ubuntu system
[06:02] <breakthestate> in place of alsaconf?
[06:02] <sdali> crimsun: but it tells me that it needs the updated libc6
[06:02] <paulproteus> Do any of you use a download accelerator program?
[06:02] <crimsun> breakthestate: udev+hotplug
[06:02] <breakthestate> cool
[06:02] <paulproteus> When I'm at university, it'd be nice to have a program that could look for mirrors of a file and download from as many sources as possible.
[06:02] <paulproteus> Even if I had to give it a list of mirrors, downloading from multiple sources could be a win, I think.
[06:03] <crimsun> sdali: you should test breezy, then, since transcode is in breezy/multiverse
[06:03] <evil_k> breakthestate:  "alsaconf: command not found"
[06:03] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: I don't see any reason it wouldn't fit. Have you actually got it and been trying it in cases?
[06:03] <breakthestate> evil I'm sry i was giving advice based on my experience with other linux distros
[06:03] <evil_k> oh ok
[06:03] <sdali> crimsun: Here's a duh question for you. Can I use Breezy "ports" if I've got Hoary loaded?
[06:03] <evil_k> i got a dvd playing in totem, but no sound
[06:04] <kevin06> Sound sucks. It's overrated anyway. :-P
[06:04] <breakthestate> evil_k: have you double clicked the volume icon in the upper right
[06:04] <breakthestate> i had to turn up the PCM meter on mine?
[06:04] <B_166-ER-X> is it REALLY dangerous (like, loose all data on the Nux HD)  to upgrade to breezy ?
[06:04] <crimsun> sdali: there are backports for hoary based on breezy packages. I don't recommend them generally.
[06:04] <paulproteus> B_166-ER-X: No.'
[06:04] <nalioth> DavidLeeRoth: atx case with big mondo power supply
[06:04] <evil_k> its all maxed out
[06:04] <breakthestate> k
[06:04] <nalioth> B_166-ER-X: turning on your box could do that
[06:05] <B_166-ER-X> ...
[06:05] <B_166-ER-X> never happened tought
[06:05] <B_166-ER-X> -t
[06:05] <sdali> crimsun: Thanks for the help.
[06:06] <tritium> nalioth, is your power restored yet?
[06:06] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: You need to check that other window. I typed to you.
[06:06] <breakthestate> evil_k: i don't know what to say, i'm new to the ubuntu distro
[06:06] <nalioth> tritium: nope.
[06:07] <evil_k> thanks
[06:07] <evil_k> in new to linux completely
[06:07] <evil_k> at least i know dos
[06:09] <karan> firefox
[06:09] <WebLOCH> is evil
[06:09] <eyequeue> B_166-ER-X:  many of us are on breezy now
[06:10] <evil_k> hey i think i found something on it
[06:10] <eyequeue> B_166-ER-X:  the closer to the release date (oct 13) the safer, generally
[06:10] <durt> thats not very nice webloch :P
[06:10] <karan> when i press / to search in a big html document, it just puts a lot of load on the cpu
[06:10] <nalioth> WebLOCH: keep your petrol in -offtopic, please
[06:10] <WebLOCH> durt, im not allowed to express my views on firefox in an amusing fashion?  No humour allowed?
[06:10] <jrattner1> Anyone here familiar with bluetooth and kdebluetooth
[06:11] <durt> i was trying to be sarcastic webloch
[06:11] <WebLOCH> durt, ahh sorry