[16:11] <OerHeks> one can reduce swapiness, but whitespots are old bugs indeed
[16:13] <Craigwell> zykotick9: It's brand new, kingston 240gb.. as long as I don't prematurely wear it out it doesn't matter
[16:14] <zykotick9> Craigwell: well, feel free to configure it to reduce as many writes as possible... but i honestly think it's a waste of time/speed (but that's just _my_ opinion, others may disagree) ;)
[16:15] <Craigwell> zykotick9: I have 4 gb ram on a system used for the web and libreoffice primarily. Assuming I'm not going to use swap anyway for regular use.. just hibernation
[16:16] <zykotick9> Craigwell: i also have 4GB and "free" currently tells me I'm using 0 swap...  again YMMV
[16:18] <MyFriend> what is the best/least troublesome/safest windows to install on dualboot with ubuntu 14.04 thank you
[16:19] <Craigwell> MyFriend: What kind of system?
[16:19] <Craigwell> MyFriend: I've had ok results with both Win7 and Win10, and XP before those.. Doesn't matter to ubuntu
[16:19] <Craigwell> MyFriend: The hardware of your system is what matters
[16:19] <k1l> MyFriend: should not really matter
[16:19] <rocktop> how can I make cron env like what I have when I login to ssh ?
[16:21] <MonkeyDust> rocktop  that's hard to read, can you rephrase
[16:22] <nacc> rocktop: are you asking how to ensure the env that a cronjob is running in is the same as the env you get when ssh'ing in to the same server? that is, your cronjob is failing currently due to some missing environment setting (in your opinion)?
[16:23] <MyFriend> Craigwell, how can I see what kind of system through a command on the terminal?
[16:23] <goddard> how can you upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04?
[16:23] <rocktop> nacc: exactly
[16:24] <rilleh_> goddard: dist-upgrade?
[16:24] <MonkeyDust> goddard  wait until april
[16:24] <rilleh_> But it's not released yet afaik
[16:24] <MonkeyDust> rilleh_  dist-upgrade does not upgrade to a new release
[16:24] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: actually, LTS->LTS upgrades don't usually happen until the first point release...
[16:24] <rilleh_> TIL
[16:24] <rilleh_> Thanks and sorry
[16:24] <rilleh_> :)
[16:24] <k1l> goddard: if you want to run the development release ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> zykotick9  true, that's why i usually advice fresh install
[16:25] <MyFriend> k1l, the reason I ask is because I don't want to have problems with grub or malware from windows leading to the ubuntu partition becoming readable from windows or a virus damaging hd sectors from windows
[16:25] <k1l> MyFriend: well, nothing on the ubuntu side can make you safe on windows getting virus and doing some damage.
[16:28] <MyFriend> k1l, smallest possible partition for windows plus not downloading any apps from online plus encrypting ubuntu partition?
[16:28] <k1l> MyFriend: the ubuntu partitions are not readable from windows if not a special driver is installed.
[16:29] <MyFriend> ok, in terms of resources ease of use and doesnt block grub for dualboot what is the least troublesome/bloated version of windows?
[16:29] <MonkeyDust> MyFriend  ask windows support/advice in ##windows
[16:30] <k1l> that is hard to decide, actually. better ask in ##windows
[16:30] <MyFriend> MonkeyDust, I am asking from the standpoint of an ubuntu user who wants to dualboot it's not a windows specific question
[16:30] <MyFriend> which windows simply dualboots with ubuntu without blocking grub
[16:31] <k1l> MyFriend: you asked about interns of windows. from the grub point of view it doesnt matter. like told before
[16:31] <rocktop> anyidea ?
[16:33] <zykotick9> rocktop: configuring cron to have the same environment as a user, _probably_ isn't a good idea.  i'd suggest just learning to use cron properly... but YMMV
[16:34] <trajan> hi guys, after installing a canon printer on 14.04 I'm wondering how can I make the printer spooler status icon appear in the panel (it was so in the 12.04) because it's very useful, for example if one wants to prevent some docs from being printed. thanks
[16:36] <trajan> or if you could tell me how the printer spooler file is called, I might create a link with it
[16:37] <gagalicious> i've done the "Diskless Ubuntu". how can I get pxeboot into a fresh copy of ubuntu after usage except for a folder? e.g. All folders should be "ephemeral" except "Document" storage folder. is that possible?
[16:38] <mcphail> rocktop: there are several paragraphs about setting the cron environment at the top of "man 5 crontab". Have you read that?
[16:39] <MonkeyDust> trajan  is this useful ... i agree when you say it should be easier, more userfriendly ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/457969/no-printer-icon-in-ubuntu-14-04-system-settings
[16:41] <Craigwell> MyFriend: You can press Alt-F2 in ubuntu and type "details"
[16:41] <ioria> !info  indicator-printers  | trajan
[16:42] <trajan> ioria: thanks but I dunno what to do with it ?huh? how can I use your info? :)
[16:42] <luketheduke1> !help
[16:42] <ioria> trajan, check if is installed, but i think it is
[16:43] <trajan> ioria, yeah, how do i do that? :)
[16:43] <trajan> ioria, synaptic > indicator-printers maybe ?
[16:43] <ioria> trajan,  dpkg -l     indicator-printers    should show 'ii'
[16:44] <trajan> ioria: in synaptic it says it is installed, maybe it's got something to do with the fact that I'm running compiz (gnome_session_fallback) ??
[16:44] <ioria> trajan,  idk, sorry :-)
[16:45] <trajan> ioria: ?huh?
[16:46] <ioria> trajan,  maybe a bug    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-printers/+bug/1341562
[16:47] <trajan> ioria: ok I'm creating a launcher with  system-config-printer-applet --no-tray-icon, and that should do it according to something I'm reading now
[16:49] <trajan> ioria: it won't even start... dunno why... what is the system-config-printer-applet for 14.04?
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> trajan  ioria just showed the bug link
[16:52] <trajan> MonkeyDust, I started it by typing system-config-printer-applet and nothing happened, then I printed something and finally an output came out /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py:342: Warning: Source ID 119 was not found when attempting to remove it
[16:52] <trajan>   GLib.source_remove (self.timer)
[16:52] <SuperHeroINTJ> Is Mir dead? I don't hear about it for very long.
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> !mir
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> hm, factoid needs an update
[16:52] <k1l> SuperHeroINTJ: nope. its used on the phones and will come to the desktop after the next lts.
[16:54] <ethuhoh> Can somone point me in the direction of forcing a program (crashplan headless) to use a certain eth device (eth0)
[16:55] <gagalicious> ethuhoh: iptables
[16:55] <ethuhoh> nice!
[16:55] <trajan> ioria, MonkeyDust, ok whatever, could you at least tell me what is the command to start printer options so I can manually create a launcher for the panel and manually start it whenever I need without having to go through system settings bla bla ? thanks!!!!
[17:01] <ethuhoh> Can iptables make eth1 only usable by Virtualbox VMs?
[17:02] <net2014> hello
[17:02] <net2014> I have ubuntu 15. I never installed a firewall, does it have one by default and is it enabled by default?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | net2014
[17:03] <teward> net2014: it's not 'on' by default, but it's extremely easy to turn on.  `sudo ufw enable` in the command line will usually turn on your firewall
[17:04] <teward> (and start protecting your system, though the information in Ubottu's links will tell you this to)
[17:06] <net2014> well, doesn't ufw protect me firewall wise when enabled?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> hmm isnt there a nice gui for firewall as alternative for firestarter in the past?
[17:08] <tj_> hello?
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> !ask | tj_
[17:08] <net2014> thanks
[17:08] <tj_> I am a newbie for Ubuntu im trying to set up a firewall, any help?
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | tj_
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> net2014, tj_ also check the #netfilter channel for more advanced firewall setup
[17:09] <lyze> Hello, having troubles with shutdown. Whenever I shutdown the computer turns off normally (usb lights turn off, indicator that it's turned on turns off and no fans run) but after 5 seconds or so it starts again
[17:09] <net2014> thanks
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> lyze: can you press F1 at shutdown to see errors?
[17:10] <net2014> if you have a protected ubuntu system and run virtual machines in it, will you need firewalls in the virtual machines?
[17:10] <net2014> by protected, I mean the host does have a firewall
[17:11] <lyze> lotuspsychje, let me try. brb rebooting system
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> net2014: really depends what you want really
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> net2014: what are you protecting from?
[17:11] <net2014> well, can someone gain access on the virtual machines?
[17:11] <net2014> won't they need to first get in the host?
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> net2014: before they gain access on your virtual Os, they have to penetrate your ubuntu
[17:13] <zykotick9> lotuspsychje: ahhh, depends if that VM is running service(s)... the host might be able to be completely bypassed.
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> net2014: but again, what are you affraid for really?
[17:13] <net2014> lotuspsychje, even if the virtual machines have access to the internet?
[17:13] <net2014> ok
[17:14] <net2014> lotuspsychje, well, I don't want to care what infor I store on the virtual machines or whatnot, I want them secure
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> net2014: then choose a secure VM Os
[17:15] <MediocreNut> I can't get my wired connection on 15.10 to notice an ethernet cable
[17:15] <MediocreNut> anyone have an idea of what needs to be fixed
[17:15] <PowaBanga> Hi all
[17:15] <PowaBanga> I have a normal printer
[17:16] <PowaBanga> that I want make it run on wireless
[17:16] <sruli> MediocreNut: post output of ifconfig to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <PowaBanga> via My unbuntu 15.10
[17:16] <lyze> lotuspsychje, nope. No errors
[17:16] <luketheduke1> sruli: isn't ifconfig outdated? I thought ip addr show was the current standard
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> lyze: how about sudo halt -p would give you a reboot also?
[17:17] <sruli> luketheduke1: ifconfig still shows all interfaces
[17:17] <net2014> lotuspsychje, thanks for the advice
[17:17] <lyze> testing
[17:18] <mint333332> how to mount encrypted drive when booted from usb?
[17:18] <sruli> PowaBanga: you want to make a printer connected to your 15.10 available to other PC's through the network?
[17:18] <PowaBanga> yes
[17:19] <net2014> if you add an external hdd to ubuntu is it seen as external disk or is it added to the filesystem? also, is it possible to share that drive on the network?
[17:19] <lyze> lotuspsychje, yep. Also a reboot
[17:19] <luketheduke1> sruli: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93412/difference-between-ifconfig-and-ip-commands
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> lyze: thats really weird, wich ubuntu version?
[17:20] <luketheduke1> Long story short: ip is stronger than ifconfig & noobs should learn ip
[17:20] <Azaril> hello
[17:20] <Azaril> im getting this wierd error:
[17:20] <Azaril> https://gist.github.com/benjfield/4adcf48620da1a8e87ec
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> lyze: check this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/452750/reboot-after-shutdown-ubuntu-14-04-also-12-04-dell-latitude-e7440
[17:21] <sruli> PowaBanga: you have to configure samba https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu
[17:21] <lyze> lotuspsychje, xubuntu 15.10 … checking … one moment
[17:22] <Ericsky> does any one know hot to update opengl to 3.3 on intel hd 4400 graphics?
[17:22] <sruli> mint333332: are you booting from livecd?
[17:22] <mint333332> sruli: yes
[17:22] <mint333332> sruli: usb drive
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> Ericsky: its recommended to use package versions for your ubuntu version
[17:22] <sruli> mint333332: the encrypted drive is luks?
[17:22] <lyze> lotuspsychje, oh that could be, used wol quite a bit. Will try to turn it off. reporting afterwards
[17:22] <Ericsky> i am new to ubuntu
[17:23] <mint333332> sruli: yes
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Ericsky how about works
[17:23] <luketheduke1> Ericksky: look for it under "Additional drivers"
[17:23] <sruli> luketheduke1: all i wanted to see with ifconfig is if its seeing the interface
[17:23] <jimmybobsleigh> hello there! I was trying an install and got the message that my ruby version is older than the one specified in the install files..how can I upgrade?
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> jimmybobsleigh: did you add ppa's or ruby manually install?
[17:24] <sruli> mint333332: do you see the drive with lsblk ?
[17:24] <luketheduke1> sruli: I know. ip addr show accomplishes that & teaches noobs to use ip at the same time. It's just a slightly better alternative.
[17:24] <sruli> luketheduke1: notice takes, will learn ip addr
[17:24] <mint333332> sruli: it looks like it (sda then three sda's sda1 sda2 sda3)
[17:25] <Ericsky> it doesnt show graphics under additional drivers
[17:25] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, you mean ruby? I haven't installed it, it is the version that comes with ubuntu..
[17:25] <MonkeyDust> !info ruby
[17:25] <sruli> mint333332: which one is the luks drive? or post the output of lsblk to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:25] <OerHeks> Ericsky, correct, intel is good supported in the kernel
[17:26] <mint333332> sruli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14591290/
[17:26] <mint333332> sruli: sda3
[17:26] <lyze> lotuspsychje, thanks. that solved it.
[17:26] <jimmybobsleigh> so what can I do to upgrade?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> !yay | lyze
[17:26] <Ericsky> i am trying to play dying light but it wont let me due to opengl is 3.0
[17:26] <lyze> Hehe
[17:26] <sruli> mint333332: the luks drive is an external drive?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> jimmybobsleigh: upgrade to..?
[17:27] <mint333332> sruli: no, it is internal, the one I am trying to mount
[17:27] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, to the same version as specified in the install files of the application
[17:27] <xangua> jimmybobsleigh:   how about you  focus on your actuall problem and tell us what are you trying to install and what message output do you actually get?
[17:27] <mint333332> sruli: I am trying to mount it because I'll try to recover deleted files using extundelete
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> jimmybobsleigh: its not recommended to use other versions
[17:27] <lyze> Ericsky, have you installed the graphics card drivers from amd(ati)/nvidia?
[17:28] <Ericsky> i am on intel not amd or nvidia
[17:28] <Ericsky> i honestly have no idea what to do
[17:28] <mint333332> sruli: sorry, in our case sda is "external", pc is booted from usb
[17:28] <kat_> Hi, guys, I just installed linux on this computer and got google chrome. They are saying they are discontinuing Google for 32-bit machines in March. What are we going to do???
[17:29] <OerHeks> kat_, nothing.
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> !info chromium-browser | kat_
[17:29] <sruli> mint333332: do "sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda3" post output
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> kat_  wh's "we"?
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> kat_  who's "we"?
[17:29] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, so what am I to do in this case to be able to install?
[17:29] <lyze> Ericsky, erm. try checking the additional software tab for a intel driver if there is a option for intel graphics cards
[17:29] <lyze> Ericsky, that's just a guess though. Never used intel cards
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> jimmybobsleigh: wich ubuntu version are you on mate?
[17:30] <Ericsky> nope there is nothing under additional drivers
[17:30] <zykotick9> kat_: option 1 - get a 64bit computer or option 2 - use a different browser (chromium will still be supported on 32bit)
[17:30] <MonkeyDust> jimmybobsleigh  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[17:30] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, 14.04.3
[17:30] <mint333332> sruli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14591318/
[17:30] <lyze> Ericsky, may I ask what model you are using?
[17:30] <kat_> we meaning me! So, is Chromium going to be supported? Can we watch Netflix in Chromium?
[17:30] <kat_> oh Chromium will be supported ok
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> !info ruby trusty | jimmybobsleigh this is your version
[17:30] <Ericsky> intel hd graphics 4400
[17:30] <jimmybobsleigh> MonkeyDust it's Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[17:31] <xangua> kat_: if you have a problem with Google Chrome being discontinued (you didn't even quoted where did you get this info¿) for 32bits, then contact Google
[17:31] <sruli> mint333332: ok, just wanted to be sure its a luks partition, do you want to unlock it or mount it? useually recovery software require it unmounted
[17:31] <xangua> and she/he left.....
[17:31] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, correct, that's what the error message says, too, reporting a mismatch with the 2.0.0. that is specified by the gemfile
[17:32] <lyze> Ericsky, can't help you there … sorry. Maybe somebody other can help ;)
[17:32] <PowaBanga> I don't find this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Server-setting.png
[17:32] <zykotick9> xangua: it's true, was in news a couple of weeks ago... perhaps a month+ ago actually.
[17:32] <mint333332> sruli: don't konw, I am planning to run extundelete on it (sorry for my lack of knowledge)
[17:32] <Ericsky> okay thanks
[17:32] <PowaBanga> where is it ?
[17:32] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, it says 'Your Ruby version is 1.9.3, but your Gemfile specified 2.0.0'
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> jimmybobsleigh: thats the whole point mate, you can use the 2.0.0
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> cant
[17:32] <xangua> zykotick9: I don't even have chrome in my phone :P so  dunno
[17:32] <lyze> Ericsky, oh. one moment. have you tried to install the mesa-utils packageß
[17:33] <Ericsky> i dont think so
[17:33] <sruli> mint333332: extundelete requires it to be unmounted, do you have another drive to save the recovered data to?
[17:33] <valerio_> ciaooo
[17:33] <mint333332> sruli: I'll hope that current ramdisk will have enough capacity
[17:33] <valerio_> !list
[17:34] <lyze> Ericsky, try running: glxinfo   send me the content
[17:34] <sruli> mint333332: to open the luks drive do "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 luksvol" it will ask for passphrase once entered u can proceed with ur recovery software
[17:34] <mint333332> sruli: do you know by any chance how to check for deleted files in particular folder?
[17:35] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, but why is it not possible to upgrade ruby? or why does it not come with a newer version?
[17:35] <mint333332> sruli: it did, but after df command there is no sda3
[17:35] <sruli> mint333332: sorry i am an expert in loosing data but suck at data recovery,
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> !latest | jimmybobsleigh
[17:36] <sruli> mint333332: post lsblk again
[17:36] <mint333332> sruli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14591358/
[17:36] <sruli> PowaBanga: what vrsion of ubuntu r u using?
[17:36] <Ericsky> how do i send it to you
[17:36] <lyze> Ericsky, Doesn't look like that works. could you pastebin it instead?
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> jimmybobsleigh: if you need a higher ruby, test 15.10 or 16.04 development branch
[17:36] <PowaBanga> ubuntu gnome 15.10
[17:37] <lyze> Ericsky, or use the ubuntu version of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:37] <sruli> mint333332: its open, see luksvol under sda3, the recovery software will be able to see it now
[17:37] <mint333332> sruli: how to refer to this partition then? sda3?
[17:37] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, can I assume that 15.10. would include ruby 2.0.0. ?
[17:37] <Ericsky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14591367/
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !info ruby | jimmybobsleigh yes
[17:38] <mint333332> sruli: /dev/sda3 ?
[17:38] <lyze> Ericsky, you are running on opengl version 3.3
[17:39] <Ericsky> well when i try to run dying light it says update graphics driver
[17:39] <Ericsky> says i need open gl 3.3
[17:40] <jimmybobsleigh> lotuspsychje, I see, thank you very much for your help! I'll try it that way
[17:40] <lyze> Ok. Then I guess it only runs with opengl 4.0 ... Well I guess we could update the graphics card drivers manually from a different repo. Perhaps that works.
[17:40] <lyze> Ericsky, would be that one: https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[17:40] <sruli> mint333332: post ouput of "ls /dev/mapper"
[17:40] <lyze> Ericsky, install it, make a dist upgrade and then reboot
[17:40] <sruli> PowaBanga: dont know why, check if you have samba installed
[17:41] <gagalicious> how do i get my ubuntu to be login as new everytime i reboot? e.g. no Downloads, no cached items
[17:41] <mint333332> sruli: control  luksvol  mint--vg-root  mint--vg-swap_1
[17:41] <lyze> Ericsky, http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:41] <Azaril> anyone have any ideas about this?
[17:41] <Azaril> https://gist.github.com/benjfield/4adcf48620da1a8e87ec
[17:42] <Newtoubuntu> Hi.  I am a ubuntu newbie wanting to ask about whether my new laptop spec will run ubuntu.  Where is best for me to ask this? Ask! or Discourse?
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> Newtoubuntu: most machines can run ubuntu fine dont worry
[17:42] <PowaBanga> samba is installed
[17:43] <agathezol> Newtoubuntu, the simplest way to do this is to simply boot an ubuntu live cd and test it out. it's safe and lets you play around a bit before changing anything.
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> agathezol: +1
[17:43] <Newtoubuntu> This is a custom build that I am ordering...without Windows.  Want to get a feel for if it will be okay...before I pay for it.
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> Newtoubuntu  a custom build?
[17:44] <sruli> mint333332: i am sorry i dont know, try to find help on extundelete
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: he might mean barebone
[17:44] <mint333332> sruli: but /dev/sda3 is unavailable
[17:44] <mint333332> sruli: this unencrypted partition is not visible in the filesystem
[17:45] <agathezol> Newtoubuntu, well, that's more complicated, I'd highly recommend looking at someone who builds laptops with ubuntu on them already, i.e. system76 or one of the dell laptops that comes with it pre-installed if you want to be sure.
[17:45] <Newtoubuntu> Yup.  I am bored of Windows, like open source, want to learn something new.  Figured that buying a PC without an OS and installing ubuntu would help me learn.
[17:45] <mint333332> sruli: it is not releated to the extundelete in my opinion
[17:45] <sruli> mint333332: try /dev/mapper/mint--vg-root
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> Newtoubuntu: smart choice, but again dont worry to much ubuntu will run on it
[17:45] <sruli> mint333332: it is related to how extundelete finds partitions
[17:46] <lyze> Newtoubuntu, my 10 year old laptop runs ubuntu just fine. Even the open source hardware drivers support it where amd dropped support for the card already
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> Newtoubuntu: sometimes its a bit tweaking, but im sure youl get there
[17:46] <mint333332> sruli: but how should I go to find it in file explorer?
[17:46] <mint333332> sruli: why is it invisible in df?
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> !manual | Newtoubuntu
[17:46] <Ericsky> i added the ppa but i dont know what to do next
[17:46] <agathezol> Newtoubuntu, otherwise your big gotchya-s are going to be the network card and sound card pretty much. get their model/make and just check to be sure compatibility is there. It most likely is, but if you want to be certain that's the way to do it. You can do the same with all the other hardware too.
[17:46] <sruli> mint333332: because its not mounted
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | Ericsky
[17:46] <mint333332> sruli: /dev/mapper/mint--vg-root is working :)
[17:47] <OerHeks> Ericsky, run updates & be carefull, use of that ppa is at your own risc
[17:47] <Newtoubuntu> Thanks.  I will have a read of that.  What is the best way to check compatibility?
[17:47] <lyze> Ericsky, sudo apt-get update    then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:47] <sruli> Newtoubuntu: to be sure i would go for a intel cpu, and do some research online if the motherboard and video card you are getting work with ubuntu
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> Newtoubuntu  the live dvd/usb
[17:48] <mint333332> sruli: THANK YOU for help :)
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> Newtoubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[17:48] <sruli> mint333332: good luck recovering the file
[17:48] <mint333332> sruli: it just ended not looking too promising :/
[17:49] <Ericsky> okay it is updating
[17:49] <sruli> mint333332: cant help with data recovery, mayb someone else can
[17:49] <lyze> Ericsky, wait till it's done then reboot and try again
[17:49] <lyze> to run the game
[17:49] <Ericsky> okay thank you so much
[17:51] <Newtoubuntu> Thank you for you time, your help and for reminding me why open source communities have the best support. Really appreciate it. :-)  Bye.
[17:52] <lazaro> Hi everyone
[17:54] <gagalicious> i have never used a guest account before. what is it good for?
[17:55] <bigNoob> Hi! I've never used linux. I have three different machines running windows. Is it possible to have linux boot on USB and save data on the stick, as i'll be switching machines pretty often?
[17:55] <luketheduke1> gagalicious, I used it for when in-laws visited
[17:55] <mint333332> sruli: damn no luck this time, and data was lost, because I've accidentialy deleted contents of the wrong folder :(, thank you for help again
[17:55] <gagalicious> luketheduke1: what's the great thing about it? what's the limitations?
[17:56] <luketheduke1> gagalicious: It's just a user that doesn't have access to other users areas & nothing is saved to the computer
[17:56] <luketheduke1> I don't think it's saved, at least
[17:56] <gagalicious> ok thanks
[17:56] <luketheduke1> So my in laws could browse the web without seeing my search history or any of my files
[17:56] <acovrig> I'm having some networking issues: if I switch to a tty, I get a repeating message of `r8169 0000:08:00.0 eth1: rtl_eriar_cond == 1 (loop 100,delay 100)', any ideas what I can do about it?
[17:58] <sruli> how do i add a iptables rule after the last one?
[17:58] <sruli> so i want the rule to be last in the list
[17:59] <teward> sruli: `iptables -A` does this
[17:59] <agathezol> luketheduke1, gagalicious, the guest user's home directory is deleted when they logout, it's temporary.
[17:59] <teward> sruli: assuming the INPUT list of rules, then `iptables -A INPUT ARGUMENTS`
[17:59] <teward> sruli: replace ARGUMENTS with the various other arguments which define the rule
[18:00] <gagalicious> ok. i was thinking whether to take on guest mode or do a kiosk. can guest access nas nfs folder?
[18:00] <sat1_e> what is the meaning of a super user in ubuntu?
[18:01] <OerHeks> ubuntu has no super user, the 1st user created has root priv, as in systemadministrator
[18:02] <sruli> teward: thanks
[18:02] <sat1_e> what is the meaning of sudo and su commands?
[18:03] <OerHeks> !sudo
[18:03] <OerHeks> normally we use no su switch user/superuser
[18:05] <rww> !pkexec
[18:06] <sat1_e> thanks
[18:07] <requiest> hi
[18:12] <donu7> Hello, i have a box with multiple nics that i'm trying to use for dhcp, should the /etc/network/interfaces entry for the nic thats providing dhcp have its own static entry? If so, should that entry include a gateway entry that points to its own ip?
[18:14] <ElorianJ> hey guys, how do I install flash player on firefox?
[18:15] <ElorianJ> I need it for kongregate
[18:15] <OerHeks> restricted extras ..
[18:15] <OerHeks> !flash
[18:16] <ioria> donu7, you mean this ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server
[18:16] <Bonn333> ElorianJ: sudo apt install flashplugin-installer
[18:16] <ElorianJ> thank you!
[18:17] <requiest> hi all
[18:17] <requiest> how to configure sshfs it every time it should ask for user name and password
[18:17] <Bonn333> requiest: Welcome :)
[18:17] <ioria> requiest, you use a ssh-key
[18:17] <requiest> thank you
[18:17] <donu7> yes ioria thank you
[18:17] <ioria> donu7,  np
[18:19] <requiest> what is the use of ssh-key i wanted to mount the server user home directory to local linux pc and on exit it should dismount
[18:21] <ioria> requiest,  you are prompet with passwd
[18:21] <ioria> requiest,  sorry, with the key you are not prompted  with the passwd
[18:22] <ioria> requiest,  to exit, fusemount -u /share
[18:22] <requiest> no it should ask user for user name and password
[18:24] <gagalicious> is there a way i can boot to windows client pc from a ubuntu server?
[18:26] <requiest> instad of using sshfs i can use ssh and then how can i mount the server user hoem directory to local linux user
[18:28] <requiest> in server user .profile what command line to be insert so each and everytime it should mount to local linux pc
[18:29] <ioria> requiest,  for sshfs you need an account sshfs -o idmap=user account@ip:/share_remote ~/share_local
[18:30] <gagalicious> i want to PXE boot into windows diskless client from linux server. is that possible?
[18:32] <requiest> my query is can i use ssh and then how can i mount the server user hoem directory to local linux user
[18:33] <ioria> requiest,  i think sshfs is done for that...
[18:34] <lyze> sshfs USERNAME@HOSTNAME_OR_IP:/REMOTE_PATH LOCAL_MOUNT_POINT
[18:35] <ioria> requiest,  but you can use also cis-utils
[18:35] <ioria> *cifs-utils
[18:38] <ioria> requiest,  or  nfs-kernel-server  , a lot of choices
[18:39] <requiest> ok
[18:39] <DirtyCajun> if /media is for automatically added and removed... and /mnt is for temporary manual mount... waht is for permenant?
[18:39] <requiest> but i am not using windows
[18:39] <OerHeks> gagalicious, seems so , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro#Summary with the url http://oss.netfarm.it/guides/ris-linux.php
[18:40] <gagalicious> not installation. it's using
[18:40] <agathezol> DirtyCajun, the file system - i.e. / is permanent, on my system /home is a permanent mount
[18:40] <ioria> requiest, ah,  ok    sshfs  then
[18:40] <requiest> one linux server and linux desktop
[18:40] <gagalicious> i want to use it as a diskless windows client
[18:40] <OerHeks> that would be a ##windows question
[18:40] <lahaugen87> DirtyCanjun, /mnt is also for permament. All my fstab mount is in /mnt
[18:41] <lahaugen87> All guides also show /mnt in fstab examples
[18:41] <DirtyCajun> agathezol: ok so i have 4 HD i dont ever plan on removing... they are in essence permenant. i have them all in /mnt. is there a different place that is the "linux File system by Linux foundation" stander?
[18:41] <zykotick9> DirtyCajun: unlike lahaugen87's opinion, i think /mnt is for temporary mounts.  check out /srv
[18:42] <requiest> linux 15.04 desktop and red hat el server all users are created in rhel server
[18:42] <agathezol> DirtyCajun, depends on what the disks are being used for, if one is /home for instance, mount it to /home, if one is /usr/local mount it there.
[18:43] <lahaugen87> I was thinking USB/samba/NFS. HD's is not for /mnt
[18:44] <DirtyCajun> I am using them as solely storage. 1 SSD holds all OS files and normal /* Directories. I Have 4 HD 1 for movies 1 for TV and 2 for games all 5TB each.
[18:44] <EliKLAAS> hey
[18:44] <EliKLAAS> does elementary OS count as ubuntu?
[18:44] <zykotick9> lahaugen87: "man heir" says "/mnt   This directory is a mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem...."
[18:45] <OerHeks> EliKLAAS, nope, it is a derivate with their own issues.
[18:45] <agathezol> DirtyCajun, well, the one with your system files hsould be mounted to /, your media drives could be mounted to a shared local space for multi-user (i.e. /usr/local/movies or the like)
[18:45] <EliKLAAS> oh okay
[18:45] <requiest> how can i mount the home directory to local user sshfs, i am having around 50 users but each day they are using different systms all are loaded with ubunt 15.04
[18:46] <agathezol> DirtyCajun, if they are user specific storage, you could go as far as mounting them into your user's hdir
[18:46] <DarkKnightCZ> Has anyone bought Ubuntu Phone from BQ inside EU? I'm having troubles understanding if i need to pay VAT or if it's already paid
[18:47] <EliKLAAS> does anybody know what the "best" Desktop envroiment is?
[18:47] <lyze> requiest, Oh so do you: you have a directory e.g. /home/usr1 on a server. now whenever "usr1" logs in on a client machine the /home/usr1 from the server should get mounted on the client as home directory?
[18:47] <Pici> EliKLAAS: the one you like the best.
[18:47] <lyze> EliKLAAS, depends entirely on yourself. there is no best desktop environment ;)
[18:47] <EliKLAAS> there are too many
[18:47] <k1l> EliKLAAS: that is different from user to user. find the one that you like the best
[18:47] <k1l> DarkKnightCZ: better ask in #ubuntu-touch
[18:47] <EliKLAAS> is there like a list of all desktop envroiments?
[18:47] <DarkKnightCZ> k1l: thanks, will try
[18:48] <EliKLAAS> oh i found one xD
[18:48] <DirtyCajun> they are for all users to access. Ok lets go this way. if you installed ubuntu and you chose SDA as your OS. The computer knew you had SDB SDC SDD SDE. you told it you want to use them all indiviually. it auto mounted them as it was installed. where would it put them.
[18:48] <requiest> yes on exit it should dismout
[18:48] <k1l> EliKLAAS: you can install a lot of different desktops on ubuntu
[18:48] <OerHeks> !desktop | EliKLAAS even this list is not complete
[18:48] <requiest> or on logoff all so
[18:49] <EliKLAAS> okay
[18:49] <EliKLAAS> !desktop
[18:49] <lyze> requiest, I guess you could do that with ldap
[18:50] <EliKLAAS> thanks
[18:50] <EliKLAAS> hmm
[18:50] <lyze> Just test them out ;)
[18:50] <requiest> ok no othere simple way?
[18:50] <lyze> requiest,  don't think so
[18:51] <ioria> requiest, sshf is a simple way
[18:51] <macsurf> hello i have problem with cross compilation u-boot for orangepi I have many errors like that: /usr/src/orangepi-bsp/u-boot-sunxi/arch/arm/include/asm/io.h:80: multiple definition of `__raw_writesb'
[18:51] <lyze> ioria, he wants to have the complete home directory on a server ;)
[18:51] <EliKLAAS> wow
[18:51] <requiest> ok thank you very much
[18:51] <EliKLAAS> i found a nice one
[18:51] <anon-kun> hey
[18:51] <EliKLAAS> deepin!
[18:51] <EliKLAAS> lets see if i can install it on ubuntu
[18:52] <requiest> no not to server
[18:52] <jackcom> -rw-r--r--@  1 Yogo  staff    2730 Jan 22 03:42 qgeolocation.h    <—— i want delete ‘@‘. how can i delete it?
[18:52] <requiest> ok ioria can you tell me how
[18:52] <lyze> Yeah I know. The directory is stored on the server and should be mounted on login to /home/<name>
[18:53] <k1l_> EliKLAAS: ##linux for all that non ubuntu support :)
[18:53] <ioria> requiest, i told you before
[18:53] <ioria> requiest,  for sshfs you need an account sshfs -o idmap=user account@ip:/share_remote ~/share_local
[18:53] <EliKLAAS> okay thanks
[18:53] <ioria> requiest,  to exit, fusemount -u /share
[18:53] <EliKLAAS> p.s. deepin was not what i was looking for...
[18:53] <ioria> requiest,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[18:55] <requiest> my server ip is <IP_ADDRESS> and user is user1 and local linux 15.04 system is officepc
[18:55] <EliKLAAS> i cant send messages in linux channel
[18:55] <EliKLAAS> help
[18:55] <ioria> !info sshf | requiest
[18:55] <ioria> !info sshfs | requiest
[18:55] <lyze> Have you registered an account EliKLAAS ?
[18:55] <EliKLAAS> ooooh
[18:55] <EliKLAAS> on freenode?
[18:55] <lyze> yeah
[18:55] <EliKLAAS> aah
[18:56] <EliKLAAS> thanks
[18:56] <ioria> requiest,  you install sshf on the local machine , but the ssh server should be running on the server
[18:56] <k1l_> EliKLAAS: for issues with the irc network ask in #freenode
[18:57] <requiest> that i have don
[18:57] <requiest> done
[18:57] <ioria> requiest,  then you create a mount point on the local machine
[18:57] <ioria> requiest,  add user to fuse group
[18:57] <requiest> that is also done
[18:57] <requiest> ok
[18:58] <requiest> how make sshfs to prompt to ask user name and password
[18:59] <ioria> requiest,  you connect   with the username ....    user1@ip  , then you'll be prompted for the passwd
[18:59] <lyze> requiest, what about mounting the complete /home directory instead on startup?
[19:00] <requiest> no it should ask like telnet
[19:00] <ioria> requiest,  i think it does not work like telnet
[19:00] <requiest> telnet and ip afterword it will ask to user name and password
[19:00] <_Sponge> So the videos of Mark Shuttleworth , failed !
[19:00] <lyze> requiest, well the default user logon will ask you about the credentials. use ldap then fore unified user management between computers
[19:01] <k1l_> _Sponge: this the a technical support channel
[19:01] <requiest> because i am having 50 user in rhel server
[19:01] <_Sponge> Where is the conference happening ... i.e. Which IRC channel ?
[19:01] <requiest> and user will not setting in the same systems
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> _Sponge  ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:02] <_Sponge> ok
[19:06] <requiest> got disconnected
[19:06] <requiest> net got disconnected
[19:08] <FOX2> ok so im having a little issue here
[19:08] <FOX2> im trying to see my network drives
[19:08] <FOX2> at work
[19:08] <FOX2> but i am plugged into the network using a debian operating system
[19:08] <MonkeyDust> FOX2  spare the enter key
[19:08] <nicomachus> FOX2: put as many details as possible into ONE LINE please.
[19:08] <FOX2> im pretty sure that i can see what i need without using samba as a medium
[19:08] <FOX2> you guys should turn off the beeping noises then
[19:09] <nicomachus> FOX2: you're spamming the channel, actually. so put it all on one line whenever possible.
[19:09] <lyze> You should just write in proper and full sentences. Use the "dot" key instead of the "enter" key whenever you finish a sentence, please.
[19:09] <MonkeyDust> FOX2  one line is easier to read and repeat
[19:09] <FOX2> ok
[19:09] <FOX2> "dot"
[19:09] <FOX2> ok
[19:09] <FOX2> i am trying to view the network drives from a debian operating system
[19:10] <nicomachus> Lubuntu is not a debian operating system.
[19:10] <FOX2> lubuntu is a debian operating systtem im britty sure
[19:10] <nicomachus> it is debian based. but not debian. there are significant differences.
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> FOX2  better ask in #debian
[19:11] <nicomachus> MonkeyDust: he's on Lubuntu, just keeps calling it debian.
[19:13] <FOX2> i can see that there is a difference, and in my case it is negligible
[19:14] <zykotick9> FOX2: your perception != fact
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> FOX2  ok, start over, put your question in one line, now
[19:21] <yacine> :)
[19:27] <zykotick9> nicomachus: MonkeyDust so FOX2 ended up asking for support in #debian...  they didn't seem happy when i suggested they needed to get support here.
[19:27] <FOX2> my perception is reality luv
[19:28] <FOX2> forget what they think
[19:28] <markybob> FOX2, no it's not. and don't call people 'luv'
[19:29] <FOX2> I get more support on #8chan
[19:30] <Seveas> that's because your behaviour is more compatible with them :)
[19:31] <zykotick9> Seveas: i actually don't know what #8chan is... but i _know_ your comment is funny ;)
[19:33] <nicomachus> alright... so occasionally, I'll open a new tab in Chrome, and then everything will just crash and take me back to my login screen. No idea what conditions produce it... which logs should I be checking?
[19:34] <Seveas> nicomachus: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:34] <Seveas> and ~/.xsession-errors
[19:36] <nicomachus> nothing stuck out in Xorg, but this could be it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/14592140/
[19:36] <nicomachus> .xsession-errors ^^
[19:38] <Seveas> nicomachus: neh, that's mostly harmless
[19:38] <nicomachus> well here's Xorg, but nothing jumps out at me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/14592130/
[19:41] <oskar_> hi
[19:41] <Seveas> nicomachus: looks sane as well. Try dmesg, /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog
[19:45] <oskar_> hello
[19:45] <oskar_> guys
[19:45] <oskar_> where am i ?
[19:46]  * nicomachus needs to reboot more often... these are some lengthy logs.
[19:46] <zykotick9> oskar_: on earth, i'd expect... or are you on the ISS?
[19:46] <lyze> oskar_, ubuntu help channel ;)
[19:47] <nicomachus> LOL: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry....
[19:48] <nicomachus> this is syslog: line 2056 seems to be the start of the error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/14592211/
[19:49] <nacc> nicomachus: i've hit this too -- it seems to only happen when i have multiple monitors connected
[19:49] <nicomachus> I DO have an external monitor connected to my laptop.
[19:49] <Seveas> nicomachus: 2050 actually
[19:49] <nacc> nicomachus: sometimes i'm not even able to login unless i disconnect the hub that the monitors are running off of
[19:49] <nicomachus> and this error didn't start until I connected it.
[19:50] <Seveas> nicomachus: that looks like X just crashed.
[19:50] <nacc> nicomachus: i think it's a bug in the mulitple monitor support, but i haven't debugged it further
[19:50] <nacc> nicomachus: if i start up w/o the monitors connected, then connect the hub, it gneerally works fine (although i somteimes have to muck with the settings to put them in the right place)
[19:50] <nicomachus> I wonder why an extra tab in Chrome would set that off, though?
[19:50] <nicomachus> nacc: I've read about that odd workaround before.
[19:51] <Seveas> nicomachus: because bugs in X are not unheard of, and chrome has been known to tickle X bugs.
[19:51] <ttal> is it totally acceptable (in terms of keeping ubuntu updated) to install steam via apt-get? The steam in the software centre wants me to go through a buy process which requires an ubuntu 1 account, whereas the apt-get method doesn't. Are they the same? Will the apt-get method approach be kept updated and not screw anything up with my ubuntu desktop over time?
[19:51] <nacc> nicomachus: yeah, it's annoying, but not so critical to me right now that i care too much
[19:51] <Seveas> nicomachus: try a different Ubuntu version. It may help.
[19:51] <nacc> nicomachus: ah interesting, i got a segfault in X
[19:51] <nacc> nicomachus: in my logs
[19:52] <nicomachus> well, I guess I'll just have to remember to save my work before letting Chrome go on a tickle spree.
[19:52] <nacc> nicomachus: unfortunately i can't be sure it's not because of my out-of-tree displaylink drivers :/
[19:52] <nicomachus> here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1511476
[19:52] <lyze> ttal, download it from steam directly. there you get a deb file. install that one via sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb
[19:53] <ttal> lyze: ok, thanks for the reply. Why do it that way? What does that do that apt-get doesn't?
[19:53] <nicomachus> ttal: use the apt-get method, it works perfectly. I use it almost daily. It stays up to date as well.
[19:54] <ttal> nicomachus: ok, yeah I used it on another system a few days ago and worked fine. whats the difference?
[19:54] <ttal> just wondering what the difference is between all these methods of install, and whether they are maintained and updated automatically by ubuntu whichever method I chose?
[19:54] <chasinglogic> ttal: there isn't really one, the ubu-software center uses apt-get under the hood
[19:54] <nicomachus> ttal: the apt-get method should be the same as the software center...
[19:55] <chasinglogic> ttal: in short yes if you use apt-get you will still get the auto updates through the GUI updater since it also uses apt-get under the hood
[19:56] <ttal> ok great, so downloading from the website may not be the best idea. It may download a newer version with unforseen bugs not accounted for or tested by ubuntu?
[19:56] <nicomachus> yes.
[19:56] <rww> the apt-get and packaged versions autoupdate into ~/.steam anyway
[19:56] <ttal> chasinglogic: nicomachus: thanks guys, really appreciate the help.
[19:56] <rww> so it's six of one, half-dozen of the other
[19:57] <ttal> rww: ok got it, thanks.
[19:58] <iDuor__> :-
[19:59] <vlad__> Hi
[20:00] <stacks88> when you install a package via aptitude vs apt-get, they both still end up pulling from the same sources right? or no
[20:00] <mave_> yes stacks88
[20:00] <zykotick9> stacks88: yes.  and "apt install foo" as well.
[20:02] <geirha> as well as the software center
[20:02] <zykotick9> geirha: all the same repo!
[20:02] <zykotick9> geirha: well, software center _might_ be a bit different...
[20:03] <zykotick9> geirha: being the "app store" of ubuntu and all...
[20:05] <jemadux> sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
[20:05] <jemadux> update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
[20:05] <jemadux> how to solve that ?
[20:09] <Pursche01> Hello there, my name is Markus and I currently study Game Development at a university. I am making a game as a project and I would like to add Unix support. One obstacle is the very specific way my game engine uses some windows specific mouse functions (setting the position of the mouse pointer). I figured that rolling my own, software mouse pointer, would
[20:09] <Pursche01> be better than adding support for specific OS'es. I am currently stuck at Mouse Acceleration though. Is there anyone in here I could talk to about what Microsoft likes to call Mouse Ballistics? My ideal situation would be to straight out use the one from Ubuntu, but I am unsure if I am allowed and where to find it.
[20:12] <williamsudo> hi everyone
[20:12] <williamsudo> I've gotten into a bit of a problem
[20:13] <williamsudo> I'm creating a small personal webpage and needed user access to /var/www, so I followed instructions on the web and used chown
[20:13] <williamsudo> now I can't do anything without sudo
[20:14] <eb0t> i thought ubuntu was all sudo
[20:14] <zykotick9> williamsudo: did you change anything else?  like your computer's name?
[20:14] <DavidFromBE> williamsudo: what command did you run ?
[20:14] <eb0t> its a beginners distro so they dont want people messing it up
[20:15] <williamsudo> sudo chown -R guille:guille /var/www/
[20:15] <zykotick9> eb0t: i'd bet a few people don't appreciate your "colour commentary" about ubuntu...
[20:15] <k1l_> williamsudo: that is wrong
[20:15] <eb0t> waht colour commentary
[20:15] <eb0t> just trying to help
[20:15] <k1l_> eb0t: be actual helpfull
[20:15] <williamsudo> oh I also used this
[20:16] <zykotick9> eb0t: never mind, i'm not going to repeat it.
[20:16] <williamsudo> sudo chmod -R 666 /var/www/
[20:16] <luketheduke1> are you su'ed into the apache user?
[20:16] <k1l_> williamsudo: put yourself into the www-data group. then you can pplace files there
[20:16] <luketheduke1> try typing "sudo su <your username>"
[20:16] <k1l_> williamsudo: that is just plain wrong
[20:16] <zykotick9> luketheduke1: NO!
[20:16] <nicomachus> luketheduke1: we don't use su. never su.
[20:16] <eb0t> no dont use su...thats only on proper distros with ubuntu you godda use just sudo
[20:16] <k1l_> guys, stop giving bad advice. a proper user/group managment is all he needs
[20:16] <luketheduke1> nicomachus: su just means switch user.
[20:17] <Pursche01> Could anyone tell me which Ubuntu team is responsible for the mouse? My first thought was ubuntu-unity since they are responsible for the keyboard menu.
[20:17] <luketheduke1> if you run su <user> then it switches to that user
[20:17] <williamsudo> luketheduke1, I did that but it still denies me permission
[20:17] <nicomachus> Pursche01: what's your issue?
[20:17] <k1l_> williamsudo: did you read what i said?
[20:18] <williamsudo> k1l_: I need access to the whole computer now
[20:18] <geirha> use sudo to switch user, not su
[20:18] <williamsudo> not just var/www
[20:18] <luketheduke1> geirha, sudo runs something as super user. That's not good
[20:18] <Pursche01> nicomachus, I am developing a game and would like to add Unix support. I am however using some Windows specific API's for moving the mouse. I figured a better solution would be to make a software mouse, I would like to ask some questions about mouse acceleration in Ubuntu.
[20:18] <snufk1n> Hi guys. I just upgraded my server from 14.04 to 15.04. Some packages wasn't upgraded properly, most importantly apt itself. I can't update it using 'apt-get install apt' due to unresolved dependencies. What to do?
[20:18] <geirha> luketheduke1: unless you tell it to run as a different user ...
[20:19] <luketheduke1> geirha, yes. But you didn't specify that & it defaults to running as super user
[20:19] <nicomachus> Pursche01: ok, perhaps #ubuntu-dev would be a good place to start. Mouse inputs are handled by X in ubuntu, iirc, but the dev guys can help.
[20:19] <xangua> snufk1n: if this is a server, why exactly are you upgrading to a release that will be stopped being supported in a few days?
[20:19] <geirha> luketheduke1: so does su
[20:19] <Pursche01> Alright, thank you nicomachus!
[20:19] <k1l_> luketheduke1: please read about what  sudo does
[20:19] <luketheduke1> geirha, that is why I said 'su <user name>'
[20:19] <geirha> sudo -s -u otheruser
[20:20] <ioria> snufk1n, why did you do that ?
[20:20] <snufk1n> xangua: I'm planning om upgrading to 15.10 as soon as I've got everything working. ioria
[20:20] <williamsudo> luketheduke1: no, I'm running nginx and I'm the system's admin
[20:20] <snufk1n> Couldn't upgrade directly to 15.10
[20:20] <zykotick9> snufk1n: sidenote 14.04 can ONLY upgrade to 14.10... from 14.10 you could then upgrade to 15.04... no skipping releases unless it's LTS->LTS
[20:21] <xangua> snufk1n: and how exactly did you upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04? you can't either directly upgrade for that
[20:21] <williamsudo> what can I do to regain user access?
[20:21] <ioria> snufk1n, you are going from upstart to systemd ... can you paste the various errors you got ?
[20:21] <k1l_> williamsudo: where do you have no access?
[20:21] <williamsudo> anywhere
[20:22] <williamsudo> I can't do anything without sudo
[20:22] <zykotick9> williamsudo: so "sudo ls" fails?
[20:22] <snufk1n> xangua: Ehm, no idea how that happened. The info (from system settings) said 14.04, then it upgraded to vivid.
[20:22] <k1l_> williamsudo: so there must have been some other command
[20:22] <zykotick9> k1l_: +1
[20:22] <k1l_> williamsudo: and that means you messed alle syste priviledges. which means you need to reinstall
[20:22] <ioria> snufk1n, do-release-upgrade ? after changing release-upgrade ?
[20:22] <snufk1n> ioria: Yup
[20:23] <williamsudo> zykotick9: no, it doesn't
[20:23] <xangua> Seriously, I've seen at least 1 daily issue where a user is offered 14.04 to 15.04! here's the proof (¿)
[20:23] <snufk1n> ioria: Also, unresolved dependencies is libapt-pkg4.12 and libstdc++6
[20:23] <snufk1n> Can't install those directly either, nothing happens
[20:23] <zykotick9> williamsudo: i _really_ do think, something else was done, besides your chown/chmod...
[20:23] <mint333332> what do you recommend when trying to recover deleted files in folder on ext4 filesystem, ssd?
[20:23] <k1l_> williamsudo: the 2 commands you showed dont touch "the whole system". so there must have been other commands. maybe accidently or typos
[20:23] <ioria> snufk1n, you have a little work in front of you ...
[20:23] <williamsudo> k1l_: I have access to everything, but with sudo
[20:24] <k1l_> williamsudo: and since you cant repair all system permissions you will need to reinstall.
[20:24] <williamsudo> k1l_: The problem lies in that I need sudo-free commands and that it's very annoying
[20:24] <snufk1n> ioria: Would you suggest upgrading to 15.10 before fixing it, hoping it somehow gets resolved by itself?
[20:24] <k1l_> williamsudo: what commands?
[20:25] <williamsudo> git
[20:25] <williamsudo> ssh keys
[20:25] <williamsudo> etc
[20:25] <k1l_> williamsudo: so what commands did you run with chmo/chown?
[20:25] <OerHeks> sudo -i # and your whole (terminal) session is root
[20:25] <xangua> snufk1n: seriously, if you use a server stick with LTS
[20:25] <ioria> snufk1n,  really idk ... you'll need  to -f install  something and  maybe remove/purge  others .... can you paste the errors ?
[20:26] <williamsudo> k1l_: chown and chmod
[20:26] <snufk1n> xangua: To late for that now
[20:26] <k1l_> williamsudo: what exactly? we try to find the command you did that messed your whole system to decide if we can help you rescue your system or if it needs a reinstall.
[20:26] <snufk1n> ioria: Hold on a sec
[20:26] <zykotick9> williamsudo: fyi, "history" might be helpful?  are you sure you didn't run anything else?
[20:27] <williamsudo> k1l_: sudo chmod -R 666 /var/www/ and sudo chown -R guille:guille /var/www/
[20:27] <k1l_> williamsudo: so i would try to give as much honest information if you want to try to rescue that system. if you dont want do a reinstall and learn from that mistake
[20:27] <nicomachus> snufk1n: ioria: found this bug that occurs when upgrading directly from 14.04 to 15.04. possible source of the issue here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/init-system-helpers/+bug/1509816
[20:27] <ioria> nicomachus, yep
[20:28] <k1l_> williamsudo: that would have only touched /var/www and should not interfer with the rest of the system. that should work as before. only the stuff that works in /var/www
[20:28] <k1l_> *is affected
[20:28] <snufk1n> ioria: http://pastebin.com/y7bbUWGQ
[20:29] <snufk1n> nicomachus: Gonna check it out, thanks
[20:29] <ioria> snufk1n,  why are reinstalling apt ?
[20:29] <ioria> *you
[20:29] <snufk1n> nicomachus: Nope, not the same problem
[20:29] <DrFreaky> Ubuntu is too much like Windows 10
[20:29] <DrFreaky> Its too commercial
[20:29] <nicomachus> LOL
[20:30] <OerHeks> !fud
[20:30] <DrFreaky> And it probably spies on you like Windows 10
[20:30] <williamsudo> k1l_, zykotick9: http://pastebin.com/fsfDbq91
[20:30] <nicomachus> DrFreaky: this isn't the place for that disucssion.
[20:30] <snufk1n> ioria: I have a bunch of packages I can't upgrade using 'apt-get upgrade', apt is one of them.
[20:30] <ioria> snufk1n,  why are you reinstalling apt ?
[20:30] <zykotick9> williamsudo: sorry, i don't visit pastebin.com...  best of luck though!
[20:30] <luketheduke1> DrFreaky: The spying is going away in 16.04. Finally.
[20:30] <DrFreaky> Canonical is a wannabe Microsoft LOL
[20:30] <k1l_> luketheduke1: there is no spying
[20:31] <luketheduke1> k1l_: it automatically sends data to third parties & is opt-out. That's not very cool
[20:31] <k1l_> luketheduke1: see the FUD factoid from the bot
[20:31] <nicomachus> luketheduke1: please take that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:32] <k1l_> luketheduke1: so every browser or program that connects to the internet is spying on you? its FUD. dont call it like that. its labeled "online and local search" so its clear it sends that somewhere.
[20:32] <ioria> !info libapt-pkg4.12 vivid
[20:33] <luketheduke1> k1l_: Yes. And it should be something that's opt-in, not opt-out. Data-mining the users should not be the default
[20:33] <nicomachus> luketheduke1: please take that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:33] <luketheduke1> ok
[20:34] <ioria> snufk1n,  you have backup ?
[20:34] <snufk1n> ioria: It's that bad?
[20:35] <ioria> snufk1n,  well, apt not working ....
[20:35] <farooghkz> hi.in ubuntu which device file is sound output?
[20:36] <k1l_> williamsudo: "sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www"  and "sudo chmod -R g+rwX /var/www"   then set your user to the www-data group: "sudo adduser <username> www-data"  log out and back in and the user should be activated in that group
[20:36] <ioria> snufk1n,  if you have it, we can try some
[20:37] <Poindexter_> Hey guys, has anyone here used Ubuntu Virtual machine? Is it anything like VBOX or is it just in the developmental stages/
[20:37] <snufk1n> ioria: As long as we don't break the filesystem, I'm willing to try your ideas. Nothing of importance to be lost anyway.
[20:37] <snufk1n> Can salvage if needed
[20:38] <ioria> snufk1n,  cat /etc/issue and uname -r ?
[20:39] <snufk1n> Ubuntu 15.04, 3.13.0-76 (oh yeah, that's another thing: froze on boot using 3.19)
[20:40] <ioria> snufk1n,  yep, broken upgrade .... apt-get install/purge/remove  not working at all ?
[20:41] <snufk1n> ioria: Stuck in a loop going from dist-upgrade to autoremove
[20:41] <farooghkz> in ubuntu which device file is sound output
[20:41] <ioria> snufk1n,  if apt not working you have to use dpkg -P   and manually install the deb packages from ubuntu web site
[20:42] <MediocreNut> Im running 15.10, kernal 4.2.0-16, and my ethernet port doesnt work. It recognizes the device, but will not turn it on
[20:42] <snufk1n> ioria: Lel, was literally asking about that right now. I'll try that now
[20:42] <iRy> hi would need some help to connect to my new ubuntu server via ssh.. every time i connect it says either network unreachable, connection refused or time out
[20:42] <MediocreNut> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14592557/  The NIC link goes down but will not go back up.
[20:42] <MediocreNut> Any ideas?
[20:42] <dar> can anybody here run 'sudo apt-get -s install libpng12-dev libpng12-dev:i386' and nopaste the result, please?
[20:42] <ioria> snufk1n,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid-updates/libapt-pkg4.12
[20:43] <nicomachus> dar: why?
[20:43] <k1l_> MediocreNut: does it work with the original ubuntu kernel?
[20:43] <dar> nicomachus: I'm having conflicts, can't install the both of them O_o
[20:43] <snufk1n> Thanks. I'll be back with results in a few minutes
[20:43] <nicomachus> iRy: verify that you have the correct syntax, hostname, and IP address.
[20:43] <MediocreNut> k1l_: i've only tried going to 4.2.0-23, and in that my wireless doesnt even work. I'm not sure what you mean by the origional
[20:44] <dar> nicomachus: I just want to know I'm not alone :D
[20:44] <k1l_> MediocreNut: sorry was confused with the 15.04 kernel. please run a "sudo apt update && sudo apt fll-upgrade" your kernel is not the latest
[20:44] <nicomachus> dar: why would you need both? is your machine 64 bit or 32?
[20:44] <k1l_> MediocreNut: should be a 4.2.0-25 kernel today
[20:44] <dar> nicomachus: I need both to compile in multi-arch
[20:44] <ioria> snufk1n,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/libstdc++6
[20:44] <MediocreNut> k1l_: if i update to 4.2.0-23 or 4.2.0-25 my wireless dies
[20:44] <williamsudo> k1l_: Thanks I'll try that now. Will it give me normal access as before? i.e. can I now for example nano help.txt in my home folder?
[20:44] <k1l_> williamsudo: all that doesnt touch your home directory
[20:44] <iRy> nicmachus: here comes the problem. i'm trying to connect to a IPv6 adress
[20:45] <k1l_> MediocreNut: does the ethernet work there?
[20:45] <nicomachus> iRy: ohhhh. that can be trickier, and I'm not all that familiar with it. My machines still have IPv4 in addition to their IPv6 addresses, and I just use the 4. but the man page for SSH should have instructions on connecting to IPv6
[20:45] <ioria> snufk1n,  or drastically dpkg -P apt and manually download it ..... (it will be a mess :( )
[20:45] <MediocreNut> k1l_: no i lose all network
[20:46] <iRy> this ipv6 is killing me
[20:46] <MediocreNut> k1l_: it works in my windows partition tho, so i know the hardware is good
[20:46] <williamsudo> k1l_: how do I give myself permission to use my home directory?
[20:47] <k1l_> williamsudo: none of that commands you showed did touch your home directory. so i still dont know what is going on on your system
[20:47] <k1l_> williamsudo: i think you really screwed your system before this
[20:47] <nicomachus> iRy: did you check the man page?
[20:48] <mrtAkdeniz> Howdy!
[20:48] <williamsudo> k1l_: it worked perfectly before this
[20:48] <iRy> nicomachus: yes thats what i did the past 3 hours plus google of course
[20:49] <zykotick9> williamsudo: what does "ls -ld /home/YOURUSERNAME" show for ownership?
[20:49] <k1l_> williamsudo: cd ~
[20:49] <williamsudo> k1l_: I'll only be using www though, so it's not much of a nuisance, thanks a lot everyone
[20:49] <nicomachus> iRy: it should just be "ssh -6 xxxx::xx:xxx:xxxx:xxxx" with whatever your address it.
[20:49] <k1l_> williamsudo: then "ls -al" in a pastebin
[20:49] <nicomachus> s/it/is
[20:49] <zykotick9> k1l_: "cd" is faster ;)
[20:49] <iRy> nicomachus: debug1: connect to address 2a02:XXX:XXX:XXX:7d90:be26:46f0:ab70 port 22: Network is unreachable
[20:49] <williamsudo> zykotick9: drwxr-xr-x 5 guille guille 4096 Jan 21 20:22 /home/guille
[20:50] <mrtAkdeniz> Guys there are 30~ computers on our computer lab, and we are going to install Ubuntu all of them. All computers are same and i think maybe there is a tool/utility which backups system image so I can restore image for other computers
[20:50] <nicomachus> iRy: and port 22 is open, correct?
[20:50] <zykotick9> williamsudo: i think you chaned ownership of a LOT more then just /var/www to guille:guille!!!
[20:50] <iRy> nicomachus: yes
[20:50] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: use clonezilla and take an image of the first 1 you setup
[20:50] <iRy> nicomachus: port forwarding / mac forwarding enabled
[20:50] <mrtAkdeniz> By doing that, I can only install OS and other components on one computer, and install image for others.
[20:50] <nicomachus> iRy: perhaps the guys in ##networking could help... I'm just not familiar enough with 6.
[20:50] <williamsudo> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/gKnbrKCg
[20:50] <zykotick9> williamsudo: oh, is that your username?  probably is...
[20:50] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: or setup a pxe boot server and supply the image you want
[20:51] <iRy> nicomachus: thx so far
[20:51] <williamsudo> zykotick9: my username is guille
[20:51] <mrtAkdeniz> MediocreNut, pxe boot server is a network thing, right?
[20:51] <Dinosaurio> Hi
[20:51] <k1l_> williamsudo: you are not in your users home. do a "cd ~" then "ls -al"
[20:51] <zykotick9> williamsudo: sorry, i was a bit slow there ;)
[20:51] <LordDragon> hey all
[20:51] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: yes, https://www.debian-administration.org/article/478/Setting_up_a_server_for_PXE_network_booting
[20:52] <mrtAkdeniz> will it be slow?
[20:52] <LordDragon> is there a way to bring up a terminal during the install ubuntu process? like while its copying files?
[20:52] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: hell of a lot faster than installing 1 by 1
[20:52] <williamsudo> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/SvTfXm76
[20:52] <nicomachus> mrtAkdeniz: depends on whether you have 10/100 or 10/100/1000 cards/cables in that lab.
[20:52] <zykotick9> LordDragon: did you try alt+f2?
[20:52] <Swe3tDave> is that just me or sudo is really slow?
[20:52] <MediocreNut> But again, anyone have an idea of this enp0s25 NIC link down issue?
[20:53] <LordDragon> zykotick9: would that open the terminal in a window? or is that full screen text terminal?
[20:53] <mrtAkdeniz> MediocreNut, I'm not asking about the process speed, I'm asking about boot speed.
[20:53] <nicomachus> Swe3tDave: what do you mean slow....? sudo isn't a command, it doesn't do anything except give permissions to your commands.
[20:53] <k1l_> williamsudo: "sudo chown guille:guille .nano_history"
[20:53] <zykotick9> LordDragon: oh sorry, GUI i forgot.  alt+ctrl+f2 _might_ open a VT.  fyi, it's alt+f7 to get back.
[20:53] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: you can boot to an iso file, that will let you install onto each pc
[20:53] <k1l_> williamsudo: else everything is ok and should work
[20:53] <LordDragon> zykotick9: ty ill try that
[20:54] <williamsudo> k1l_: it works thanks!!
[20:54] <Swe3tDave> nicomachus: i mean sudo echo blah takes 10 seconds to as for password.. and i'm on a i7-6700k...
[20:54] <williamsudo> :D
[20:54] <Swe3tDave> as/ask/
[20:54] <k1l_> williamsudo: for the future now: dont use sudo on every command. it will break your system
[20:55] <mrtAkdeniz> MediocreNut, every computer will probably has 2 OSes -windows and ubuntu-, which would you prefer to do? PXE / CloneZilla ?
[20:55] <williamsudo> k1l_: Oh, was that it? I didn't have permission on www so I kept using sudo
[20:55] <williamsudo> k1l_: got it, I won't use sudo if it's not necessary
[20:55] <williamsudo> Thanks everyone!!
[20:55] <Ghosty11> Having issues getting x to work on my laptop. Went into recovery mode. it says it can detect a screen but it's not configured?
[20:55] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: well are you going to format the hd when you install, or are you going to run windows and ubuntu on both
[20:55] <k1l_> williamsudo: its not necessary most of the time.
[20:55] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: on all*
[20:56] <mrtAkdeniz> I'll install Windows and Ubuntu for 1 computer, than copy that HDD into other computers
[20:56] <k1l_> williamsudo: with 5 minutes of thinking you could have made the proper group and user setup and have avoided all that hustle.
[20:57] <nicomachus> Swe3tDave: that is... odd. I got nothin.
[20:58] <mrtAkdeniz> I'll install Windows and Ubuntu for 1 computer, than copy that HDD into other computers, MediocreNut
[20:58] <mrtAkdeniz> then*
[20:58] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: I'd just use clonezilla then tbh. its way simpler and your only doing 30 cpus
[20:58] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: install it on 1 computer, get everything setup correctly.
[20:58] <mrtAkdeniz> then backup and restore on others.. MediocreNut
[20:59] <mrtAkdeniz> Thanks!
[20:59] <hosified> anyone else experience freezing in firefox when unlocking their screen?
[20:59] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: take your image, host it on a computer you have running. Boot into clonzilla and install from the ip/path of the computer with the image on it
[20:59] <MediocreNut> mrtAkdeniz: then you can install multiple at a time without having 30 clonezilla usb's
[20:59] <luketheduke1> What's the difference in a .vdi file and a dd'ed drive?
[21:00] <MediocreNut> k1l_: any idea on this enp0s25 NIC link down?
[21:00] <MediocreNut> besides upgrading kernal to .25, cause i lose all networking when i do that
[21:01] <k1l_> MediocreNut: you can boot the .25 to try. if it doesnt work reboot and choose the old one in grub
[21:01] <MediocreNut> k1l_: yeah, just tried booting to it. it actually makes the wired connection work, but all wireless dies
[21:02] <MediocreNut> k1l_: its a seperate laptop im messing with
[21:02] <Ghosty11> once again thanks for all your help #ubuntu.
[21:02] <k1l_> MediocreNut: so i would now use ethernet and see how to fix the wireless
[21:05] <MediocreNut> how can i manually bring up the enp0s25 NIC link?
[21:09] <boss-247> hi
[21:09] <boss-247> :)
[21:10] <mrtAkdeniz> Is it just me or Ubuntu always fails on file copy? It is always slowing. It started with 150mb/s and now 58mb/s and getting slow every second..
[21:10] <k1l_> mrtAkdeniz: what filesystems involved? what disk?
[21:12] <mrtAkdeniz> it is not releated k1l_
[21:12] <mrtAkdeniz> i'm facing this problem for years
[21:12] <mrtAkdeniz> and just googled. saw that this is a silly bug on linux kernel for years..
[21:13] <k1l_> i dont. except i use ntfs, or a slow disk thats cache is full after some seconds and that has its real writing speed
[21:15] <love_> I have a Canon EOS that I have plugged in right now, nothing in Nautilus. Help?
[21:17] <luketheduke1> love_, what does it show on the camera screen?
[21:18] <k1l_> love_: see "dmesg" after you plugged it in
[21:18] <love_> luketheduke1, it appears as though it does not detect anything.
[21:19] <luketheduke1> love_, what's the camera model?
[21:19] <love_> eos 50d
[21:20] <dar> can anybody here run 'sudo apt-get -s install libpng12-dev libpng12-dev:i386' and nopaste the result, please?
[21:21] <adria> E: Unable to locate package libpng12-dev
[21:21] <luketheduke1> love_, is the camera's power switch put to <ON>?
[21:21] <vertreko> On someone elses metacity. Recent release. How to change a key binding?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> !info libpng12-dev:i386 trusty
[21:22] <Bashing-om> !info libpng12-dev trusty
[21:22] <rockstar180> I have a quick question
[21:22] <Surendil> !ask
[21:22] <Guest71850> dar http://pastebin.com/dMWFgBiA
[21:23] <dar> thanks Guest71850, that validates my theory
[21:23] <love_> luketheduke1, gphoto2 -L lists all the images.
[21:23] <vertreko> Recent metacity: do I need to install dconf-editor, gconf-editor, or neither to make CTRL-D not hose my Emacs?
[21:24] <rockstar180> I have a old laptop with a failing hard drive. Is it practical to install ubuntu to a sd card to have the laptop useful again?
[21:25] <Guest71850> rockstar180, old laptop HDDs are cheap second-hand.
[21:25] <luketheduke1> rockstar180: It will work, it just won't be quick
[21:25] <Guest71850> rockstar180, if you lived close I would give you one
[21:25] <luketheduke1> USB drives can work too
[21:25] <rockstar180> Replacing this laptop drive is out of the question. Have to remove the motherboard to do it.
[21:26] <rockstar180> The only panel on the back is to access the ram... stupid dell designers
[21:26] <Guest71850> odd.. every dell lappy ive dealt with the hdd wasn't a hard thing to access
[21:26] <Guest71850> but i believe ya
[21:26] <Ben64> what model
[21:27] <love_> luketheduke1, got it figured out, thanks.
[21:29] <rockstar180> Its a insspiron N4010
[21:31] <rockstar180> @Ben64
[21:31] <rockstar180> ...
[21:31] <rockstar180> Anyway, if I install ubuntu to a sd card. Wont that "burn" the card up?
[21:32] <rockstar180> Reading and writing multiple times?
[21:32] <Ben64> yes after a while
[21:32] <Ben64> but the more pressing issue is that it's going to be crap performance
[21:33] <rockstar180> Ahh okay
[21:34] <rockstar180> So if I don't want to replace the hdd... my options are limited?
[21:34] <Ben64> it doesn't look too hard to replace the drive
[21:34] <Ben64> just take your time and keep track of screws
[21:34] <rockstar180> Did you look it up on youtube?
[21:34] <Ben64> yep
[21:34] <rockstar180> J4TFOI?
[21:35] <rockstar180> its like 3 parts
[21:35] <Guest71850> rockstar180, also, take pics and you tear it apart...if you go the replacement route
[21:35] <Guest71850> take pics as(not and) you tear it apart
[21:35] <rockstar180> I was going to take a video lol
[21:35] <Ben64> whenever i take a laptop apart, i put the screws on a table in the same orientation they came from in the laptop
[21:35] <Ben64> so each screw goes back where it came from
[21:36] <Ben64> sometimes they're different lengths
[21:36] <rockstar180> I just really hate to see this laptop go to waste. Its already been replaced already but the specs are still decent for light gaming and surfing the web.
[21:37] <Ben64> yeah pop in a new drive or even better, a small ssd
[21:37] <mikehaas763> I've installed windows 10 and ubuntu 15.10 both in uefi mode on a fresh hd. Any idea why after booting into windows for the first time the grub loader is missing? Happens every time after repair when I boot back into win 10
[21:37] <rockstar180> Are all laptop drives the same size?
[21:37] <luketheduke1> mikehaas763, windows repair is messing it up. You don't want to 'repair' it through windows
[21:37] <Ben64> rockstar180: 2.5" yep
[21:38] <luketheduke1> mikehaas763, more specifically, every time you run the windows repair, it wipes the part of the disk that starts & replaces that part with windows' own bootloader
[21:38] <luketheduke1> thus displacing grub
[21:38] <rockstar180> Thanks
[21:39] <mikehaas763> @luketheduke1 I didn't run repair through windows. I've booted from my ubuntu usb to repair
[21:39] <luketheduke1> mikehaas763: Oh. What are you doing to repair it from ubuntu usb?
[21:39] <Ben64> rockstar180: the only thing you need to look out for is sata vs ide
[21:40] <rockstar180> Laptop was purchased in 2011
[21:42] <mikehaas763> I don't remember, let me run back through it again and I'll post back
[21:44] <toorap> hi all
[21:48] <labba> hi all i'm trying to install an old version of llvm: libllvm-3.1-ocaml-dev but  none of the repo ppa have that in them
[21:48] <labba> how can i find a ppa that hold this version ?
[21:48] <toorap> i ve dont this sry
[21:48] <xangua> labba: if it's not in official repository or third party repositorym, compile it yourself
[21:49] <labba> i need the apt-get install because i have an app that requires old versions such as also: ocaml-base-nox=3.12.1-2ubuntu2
[21:49] <labba> so i can't just compile it all alone
[21:50] <labba> i need the support of the "apt-get install"
[21:50] <labba> so i'm looking for ppa that will have that old version of ubuntu 12.04
[21:51] <xangua> would be easier to just use 12.04, it's still supported
[21:51] <mikehaas763> damn, idk what's different this time around but after disabling the "Secure Boot" in my asrock z77 extreme 4 uefi it just started working again. What an odd bug how it works the first time booting into win 10 but then overrides grub following that
[21:51] <labba> yea... but we have upgraded .. and now paying the price
[21:51] <labba> :/
[21:51] <xangua> the price of what¿ you can download ubuntu for free
[21:51] <noelBE> i would like to install ubuntu.  Im using win7
[21:52] <k1l_> noelBE: load the ubuntu.iso, make it a live usb/dvd and run that to install
[21:52] <labba> so no one know of an archive ppa line ?
[21:53] <noelBE> witch ubuntu version can i install?
[21:53] <noelBE> best ubuntu version
[21:53] <luketheduke1> I guess the one with witches
[21:53] <noelBE> sorry for my english
[21:54] <k1l_> noelBE: ubuntu 14.04, 64bit , if your hardware is 64bit
[21:54] <luketheduke1> It's okay. 14.04 64 bit is good. It's LTS, or long term support
[21:54] <Joel> 12.04, how can I get a list of official packages? a website says openjdk-8-jdk should be available, but I'm not seeing it
[21:54] <k1l_> Joel: packages.ubuntu.com
[21:55] <Joel> k1l_, thanks
[21:55] <noelBE> thanks k1l
[21:55] <platz> having a problem with regularly occuring system hangs, nothing in syslog or journalctl, nothing in /var/crash/, how do i troubleshoot?
[21:56] <luketheduke1> platz, does top show anything while it's happening?
[21:56] <platz> the screen completely freezes
[21:57] <luketheduke1> ick
[21:57] <platz> i tried the SysRq trick to reboot, that didn't work
[21:57] <platz> all that worked was turning th laptop light on and off via fn key
[21:57] <luketheduke1> Does Ctrl+Alt+F1 take you out?
[21:57] <platz> no
[21:57] <luketheduke1> hmm
[21:58] <k1l_> noelBE: what?
[21:58] <platz> i thought about some crash program to capture it, but not sure that will work
[21:59] <noelBE> is there a probleme that i dont have alot of experience with ubuntu
[21:59] <Stinky_Feet> platz: Do you have the means to connect to it via SSH from another computer?
[21:59] <k1l_> noelBE: no. most people started as beginners on ubuntu
[22:00] <noelBE> thanks
[22:00] <platz> Stinky_Feet: I could try that next time, sure
[22:00] <platz> not a bad idea
[22:00] <noelBE>  i had tried win10, but i wasnt so happy about this
[22:02] <noelBE> i saw that ubuntu have alot of possibityes
[22:03] <noelBE> ps are there also dutch speaking people here on chat?
[22:04] <xangua> !du
[22:04] <k1l_> !be | noelBE
[22:04] <mikehaas763> anyone aware of any packages to enable "natural scrolling" on ubuntu 15.10?
[22:04] <k1l_> noelBE: there is #ubuntu-be
[22:04] <noelBE> thanks
[22:05] <k1l_> mikehaas763: looked into the mouse settings in systemsettings? iirc there was a setting to invert scrolling
[22:05] <xangua> mikehaas763: open your mouse settings
[22:05] <Stinky_Feet> platz: Actually, if it is really hung it won't work, but if you are already connected and monitoring dmesg, you might get something... Don't hope for much, just something to try.
[22:05] <donu7> i'm trying to update (by apt-get update) and i'm getting the error: Cannot initiate the connection to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1562::15). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:67c:1562::15 80]
[22:06] <donu7> but all my nics are configured for ipv4 only, any ideas why updates are trying to go thru ipv6?
[22:06] <mikehaas763> @k1l_ @xangua when I go to system settings -> mouse & touchpad I only see settings for primary button, double click speed and pointer speed
[22:06] <ikonia> donu7: ipv6 is on the internet,
[22:06] <ikonia> your isp should have a gateway to ipv6 networks
[22:06] <k1l_> mikehaas763: which ubuntu exactly?
[22:07] <mikehaas763> @k1l_ ubuntu 15.10 desktop
[22:07] <k1l_> mikehaas763: then look closer. i have that setting right in front of me
[22:08] <mikehaas763> @k1l_ do you have a touchpad hooked up?
[22:08] <k1l_> its a laptop.
[22:08] <donu7> ikonia: the network i'm in has ipv6 disabled. i'm having a few odd network issues going (trying to set up a static dhcp network) but the box has an extra nic that's using ipv4 only w/ dhcp
[22:09] <k1l_> mikehaas763: and that is what natural scrolling is for: for using it with a touchpad
[22:09] <mikehaas763> that must be why, it must only be enabled for touchpads
[22:09] <ikonia> donu7: it's not your network, it's the gateway of your network provider
[22:09] <mikehaas763> @k1l_ bologna. There is no restriction for that there. outta the box macs which I believe were the first to popularize natural scrolling will also do natural scrolling for any mouse
[22:10] <donu7> I see, ty ikonia
[22:10] <k1l_> mikehaas763: no
[22:12] <mikehaas763> @k1l_ yes. If you are bouncing between a docking station with a regular mouse (I have the magic mouse) and going to meetings etc with just your laptop it's extremely disorienting to switch scroll directions. I used to feel the same way then got used to natural scrolling with a mouse and now I'd never turn back
[22:13] <mikehaas763> two finger scroll on a touchpad vs scroll up on a mouse are absolutely no different so it's just a preference as to whether you like natural scrolling or not
[22:14] <k1l_> mikehaas763: that is your subjective opinion. technically there is a lot difference between scrolling on a mousepad with 2  fingers or the scrollwheel on the mouse.
[22:15] <k1l_> mikehaas763: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/234042/how-do-i-configure-natural-scrolling-with-an-apple-magic-mouse if you want to change that
[22:15] <mikehaas763> You're right, it is subjective. Which is why you shouldn't have mentioned "and that is what natural scrolling is for: for using it with a touchpad". Because I can tell you there are millions of people who disagree with that.
[22:16] <mikehaas763> "technically there is a lot difference between scrolling on a mousepad with 2  fingers or the scrollwheel on the mouse." <- no, there isn't. You can think about it as moving a scrollbar or moving the content in the scrolling container (which is natural scrolling). It has nothing to do with wheel on mouse or two finger scroll
[22:18] <mikehaas763> thankfully just discovered "ubuntu tweak" which includes an easy switch to turn on natural scrolling
[22:25] <borei> hi all
[22:26] <borei> can somebody gimme heads up - where i can find full iso image of 12.04.5 LTS (server) to install OS on the server without network
[22:27] <lerner> if you want to help me with a lvcreate issue: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=126665
[22:27] <k1l_> lerner: #debian for debian issues
[22:28] <borei> was looking through repos, and didn't find it.
[22:28] <k1l_> borei: see http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[22:29] <borei> yep im there, but all ISO are max 700M
[22:29] <borei> it's not full image
[22:29] <k1l_> borei: there is no full image
[22:29] <borei> bah
[22:30] <borei> server will not be connected (don't ask why)
[22:30] <borei> what is my options then
[22:30] <borei> ?
[22:30] <lerner> k1l_, sudo lvcreate -L 1G -n demo VG_DATA returns " /run/lvm/lvmetad.socket: connect failed: No such file or directory  WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to internal scanning.  Volume group "VG_DATA" not found. > I tried the repos but I havent found any package named lvmetad...
[22:30] <luketheduke1> There isn't a full image? That's nuts
[22:31] <k1l_> borei: you can install with the iso. what is the issue then?
[22:31] <borei> huge list of deps
[22:31] <borei> they will need to bring packages somehow
[22:31] <k1l_> luketheduke1: its not nuts. its a lot of packages available.how much TB do you want to burn to dvd?
[22:32] <k1l_> borei: so get that packages and depencies on a usb or cd or dvd and install them on that machine
[22:32] <borei> ok, seems like it will be only one solution
[22:32] <whiteghost> I have a question about video card drivers anyone want to take a stab at it    Geforce 6600 what would be the better driver to use 304.131 or the updates of same drive   or  173.14.39
[22:33] <luketheduke1> k1l_, all of the TB
[22:33] <k1l_> lerner: ask in #debian for the debian issues please.
[22:34] <nicomachus> whiteghost: whichever works. try the 304 first. did the open-source xorg driver not work for you?
[22:34] <borei> well, it's not TBs, it's just couple DVDs
[22:35] <borei> anyhow, seems like i'll need to burn CD with more then i expected packages
[22:36] <nicomachus> borei: and why can't this server be connected to the internet just to download the needed packages?
[22:36] <k1l_> !offline | borei
[22:36] <abigbyte> hello. i am troubleshooting logging for ufw. trying to separate out into own log file but modying rsyslog conf and ufw config not working. any experience here with this or thoughts?
[22:36] <Bashing-om> whiteghost: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html // Nvidia recommends the 304 version driver .
[22:36] <borei> I got such requirements
[22:36] <nicomachus> !pm | whiteghost
[22:38] <whiteghost> ok
[22:38] <bishops> Hi all, Have an annoying problem, everytime I delete trashed files from right clicking the bin icon in ubuntu 15.10 a files window opens up
[22:38] <bishops> any ideas how to fix this?
[22:38] <nicomachus> bishops: it usually does that once it's done deleting. just close it.
[22:39] <bishops> nicomachus: but that's annoying is it something specific to ubuntu 15.10?
[22:39] <nicomachus> been doing it as long as I remember, which is since 12.04
[22:39] <bishops> mm I didn't have this in 12.04
[22:39] <pmow> Hola.  I've got a defunct process that won't die.  Or more specifically it's dead, but won't release the port it's using.  The parent is init (pid 1) and I'm afraid to kill it.  Any ideas?
[22:49] <abigbyte> hello. i am troubleshooting logging for ufw. trying to separate out into own log file but modying rsyslog conf and ufw config not working. any experience here with this or thoughts?
[22:57] <whiteghost> that didnt help I just went back to x org will try something else thks
[23:00] <Bashing-om> whiteghost: Now a conflict in drivers ? What does ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' reveal ?
[23:05] <happenspappens> I know ctrl-j can join two objects into one mesh, but is there a quick way to combine the vertices of the two separate meshes?  For instance I have a few vertices on one mesh and a lot of vertices on the other mesh.  Is there a shortcut that can create multiple poles so I don't have to make an equal number or shape of vertices on the mesh with less vertices?
[23:05] <whiteghost> i went back to x org think I have something else is the problem
[23:06] <ablegreen_w> I have gnome-session-fallback version 3.8.0 installed. I want to upgrade it to the latest version but the apt repository only has 3.8.0. How can I upgrade?
[23:12] <Bashing-om> ablegreen_w: ?? " gnome-session package in Ubuntu >> The Trusty Tahr (supported) >> 3.9.90-0ubuntu12.1 >> 2015-04-15 " .
[23:14] <ablegreen_w> Bashing-om: What is the difference between gnome-session and gnome-session-flashback?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> ablegreen_w: Do not recall right of the top of my head . I do not run gnome as my DE so not kept up .
[23:17] <ablegreen_w> Bashing-om: Ok. I will experiment with a Ubuntu VM before making any changes on my main system
[23:17] <ablegreen_w> Bashing-om: Thanks.
[23:18] <droolendug> hey guys, just wondering if anyone has any recommendations on packages similiar to this.
[23:18] <droolendug> http://antisleep.com/indices/
[23:18] <rww> -flashback is the "classic" one that looks more like gnome 2
[23:18] <Bashing-om> ablegreen_w: :) PPAs are not supported here .. but you may find this of interest : http://sourcedigit.com/15453-download-and-install-gnome-3-16-on-ubuntu-14-1014-04-systems .
[23:18] <ablegreen_w> Bashing-om: Thanks!
[23:19] <anao2> hello@all does anyone know why lightdm fails to start if i switched back from mate-desk to unity, packages mate removed?? got failsavemode!!
[23:19] <anao2> seems mate-desktop destroys deps of lightdm and unity-greeter
[23:21] <Bashing-om> anao2: What is set to start in the file " /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf " ?
[23:26] <anao2> @Bashing-om not placed at 15.10 fresh setup
[23:28] <anao2> @Bashing-om a startx doesnt help, a reinstall unity dont solve, was forced to resetup new, but must be possible to use mate a second wm
[23:29] <anao2> @Bashing-om after installing mate lightdm changes look and most settings, after remove meta-p-mate X run into failsave mode :-(
[23:30] <anao2> @Bashing-om seems mate places lightdm conf into /etc and unity into /usr/share..
[23:32] <Bashing-om> anao2: 15.10 is systemd for the initiate servce . I have no familiarity . sorry - do not know what to advise .
[23:34] <anao2> @Bashing-om yep your right, systemd makes more problems! cant be purged on debian 8.2 too cause too deep inside the apps!!
[23:35] <Bashing-om> anao2: Just different, change is always hard to adjust too . We are all going to have to learn at some point .
[23:35] <rww> Incorrect. Debian supports running without systemd just fine. It has systemd-shim from Canonical for GNOME etc.
[23:35] <johnH> Hey there, anyone around who's familiar with reprepro?
[23:35] <anao2> @Bashing-om yep i fight since 2004
[23:58] <Guest97094> hello fellow hackers


[00:58] <jjfrv8> i'm trying to report a bug and it says this private bug (1502732) is a duplicate. could someone please look at it and mark it not private?
[00:58] <jjfrv8> I reported public bug 1540186
[00:58] <ubot5`> bug 1540186 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540186
[01:14] <hggdh> jjfrv8: bug 1502732 is now public
[01:14] <ubot5`> bug 1502732 in thunar (Ubuntu) "thunar crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_is_fundamentally_a()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502732
[13:42] <jjfrv8> hggdh, thanks!
[19:13] <Ludo38> Hi all! I have a problem with the default font in web browser. Months ago, I installed various additional fonts in my Ubuntu, and it made a conflict somewhere in the default Ubuntu font, because pages like Yahoo Mail or Twitter or most of the blogs, display a very hard-to-read font called HelveticaNeue, and for now I don't manage to remove it and get my browsers (Firefox and Chrome) displaying the correct default font...
[19:13] <Ludo38> Here is a screencap of the issue visible on Firefox : http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=98766
[19:13] <Ludo38> If somehow here can help me fix this, that would be fabulous
[19:14] <Ludo38> I guess it's not complicated to fix, but for now I have no solution...
[19:14] <Ludo38> I've been using Ubuntu for about 8 years and it's the first time installing fonts creates a conflict like that...
[19:19] <wxl> Ludo38: try resetting your default fonts https://askubuntu.com/questions/454279/change-default-system-font-using-terminal-only-in-14-04
[19:19] <Ludo38> Thank you! I try this now
[19:22] <Ludo38> Mmm, not sure which terminal command to use, this page suggests various things, mostly about the size of the fonts, not the name of the font
[19:22] <Ludo38> I tried this : dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/interface/font-name "'Ubuntu 11'"     and it didn't change anything
[19:22] <wxl> here
[19:22] <wxl> 's the gui option http://askubuntu.com/questions/19770/how-do-i-change-fonts-and-adjust-their-size
[19:24] <wxl> suffice it to say `gsettings reset-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface` should reset everything
[19:27] <Ludo38> WXL : thanks for this last reset idea, but it didn't change anything...
[19:27] <Ludo38> I now try the Unity Tweak Tool
[19:27] <Ludo38> just installed it
[19:27] <wxl> you can also specifically change the settings in the brwoser
[19:27] <Ludo38> yes, but as the bug appears in both Firefox AND Chrome, I must find a way to change it universally, globally
[19:28] <Ludo38> there is something wrong in my global Ubuntu font config
[19:33] <Ludo38> Unity Tweak Tool doesn't help more either :(
[19:35] <wxl> you should try to use gsettings to list all teh font properties
[19:35] <wxl> gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface
[19:35] <wxl> maybe best to try gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface | grep -i font
[19:36] <wxl> and if you haven't already re-started x you probably should
[19:36] <wxl> not sure that's necessary but it would be wise
[19:38] <Ludo38> THank you very much WXL. I restart now and come back here soon
[19:43] <Ludo38> Argh, I restarted and it didn't cange my issue :(
[19:45] <wxl> Ludo38: what does gsettings say your fonts are? you can do `sudo apt -y install pastebinit xclip && gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface | grep -i font | pastebinit | xclip -i` and then just paste in the channel
[19:46] <wxl> (pastebinit will paste the output of the previous command to pastebin)
[19:46] <wxl> (xclip will take the output of the pastebinit command which is the url of the pastebin and put it on your clipboard)
[20:07] <Ludo38> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[20:07] <Ludo38> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
[20:07] <Ludo38> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
[20:07] <Ludo38> Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installés :
[20:07] <Ludo38>   pastebinit xclip
[20:07] <Ludo38> 0 mis à jour, 2 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
[20:07] <Ludo38> Il est nécessaire de prendre 31.8 ko dans les archives.
[20:07] <Ludo38> Après cette opération, 241 ko d'espace disque supplémentaires seront utilisés.
[20:07] <Ludo38> Réception de : 1 http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/main pastebinit all 1.4-4 [14.8 kB]
[20:07] <Ludo38> Réception de : 2 http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/universe xclip amd64 0.12+svn84-4 [17.0 kB]
[20:07] <teward> !pastebin
[20:07] <ubot5`> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:07] <Ludo38> 31.8 ko réceptionnés en 0s (45.4 ko/s)
[20:07] <Ludo38> Sélection du paquet pastebinit précédemment désélectionné.
[20:07] <Ludo38> (Lecture de la base de données... 295151 fichiers et répertoires déjà installés.)
[20:07] <Ludo38> Préparation du dépaquetage de .../pastebinit_1.4-4_all.deb ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> Dépaquetage de pastebinit (1.4-4) ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> Sélection du paquet xclip précédemment désélectionné.
[20:07] <teward> Ludo38: don't paste to the channel.
[20:07] <Ludo38> Préparation du dépaquetage de .../xclip_0.12+svn84-4_amd64.deb ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> Dépaquetage de xclip (0.12+svn84-4) ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour man-db (2.7.4-1) ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> Paramétrage de pastebinit (1.4-4) ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> Paramétrage de xclip (0.12+svn84-4) ...
[20:07] <Ludo38> ludovic@aguila:~$ gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface | grep -i font | pastebinit | xclip -i
[20:08] <Ludo38> It's what I got, WXL
[20:08] <Ludo38> sorry, I'm not used to that
[20:08] <Ludo38> I redo it better
[20:08] <teward> Ludo38: use a pastebin for multi-line pastes
[20:08] <teward> that hasn't changed, and applies to all Ubuntu channels
[20:13] <Ludo38> here it is :
[20:13] <Ludo38> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14882318/
[20:14] <teward> Ludo38: the link should then be copied into your clipboard, as that's what xclip is supposed to do
[20:14] <teward> does it not do that?
[20:15] <teward> if it doesn't, then you can remove the xclip argument and that last pipe, and then just manually copy-paste the pastebin link from the terminal
[20:16] <Ludo38> teward : sorry, I don't understand
[20:16] <Ludo38> This is all new to me
[20:16] <teward> Ludo38: when you run the command that was said at the end - that is, the "gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface | grep -i font | pastebinit | xclip -i" command
[20:17] <teward> when you then try and paste into another window, does it paste a paste.ubuntu.com URL?
[20:17] <teward> if it does, then the command worked effectively, and wxl wants that URL
[20:17] <Ludo38> ah, wait, I check this
[20:17] <Ludo38> thanks for your help
[20:22] <Ludo38> Well, I just pasted "gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface | grep -i font | pastebinit | xclip -i" in a new terminal, but it didn't answered anything
[20:22] <teward> Ludo38: it shouldn't.  Now try making a paste anywhere
[20:22] <teward> does that paste give you an http://paste.ubuntu.com/ URL
[20:22] <teward> or is it just the 'gsettings ...' command?
[20:22] <Ludo38> what do you mean by "Now try making a paste anywhere" ?
[20:31] <Ludo38> In the terminal, it tells me xclip is the most recent, and same with pastebinit


[07:11] <Cheri703> Unit193: I rode home from work tonight! was...an adventure
[07:12] <Unit193> Heh, no kidding! Mom said she had problems coming home, and she was in a van!
[07:13] <Unit193> How well could you see?
[07:17] <Cheri703> pretty well, it was just WINDY
[07:17] <Cheri703> apparently it is -2 with windchill
[07:17] <Cheri703> I actually had no slipping issues
[07:17] <Cheri703> and that was on the bike!
[07:17] <Cheri703> trike should (FINALLY) arrive next week. I will be SET for the icy weather
[07:19] <Unit193> Wow, this sounds fun, bike at 2am :P
[07:19] <Cheri703> still need better leg protection :s legs are COLD, have been home since ~1:30am
[07:20] <Unit193> Well, that's crazy, I should try somehting like that :P
[07:22] <Unit193> You have the thermal stuff now?
[07:23] <Cheri703> well, I have long-johns, but...I need something wind-proof and warmer
[07:23] <Cheri703> problem is that the GOOD stuff is like $80/pair
[07:23] <Cheri703> Unit193: be very careful about keeping your wheels under you
[07:24] <Cheri703> I have a bit of an advantage with my recumbent bike, as my center of gravity is lower and with the e-bike kit, a LOT of weight over the back wheel, so I keep traction and it is harder to have my front wheel skid out
[07:24] <Unit193> No kidding, even when running (harder if you have solid into slick)
[07:24] <Cheri703> yeah, I wore my yaktrax while riding, so my foot wouldn't slip when I had to put it down at lights
[07:26] <Unit193> Tree fell in the woods, will make sledding that much harder :/
[07:27] <Cheri703> that sucks
[07:31] <Unit193> Right across the "path" too
[07:39] <Cheri703> :s
[07:39] <Cheri703> get out there with a saw!
[07:41] <Unit193> Really thought about it, but it might make for a nice ramp ;)  (More like make me into a crmmy)
[07:43] <Cheri703> crmmy?
[07:43] <Cheri703> know what sounds REALLY good right now?
[07:43] <Cheri703> a hot burger and crispy fries....
[07:44] <Cheri703> what will I likely eat? either nothing OR polish sausage on a bun...we'll see
[07:45] <Unit193> Dummy, but with lag. And food is sounding good again :/
[07:48] <Cheri703> yeah, I am cold and hungry :( if this was a bigger city, I could go ANYWHERE and eat, this time of night, there are like 2 options, and none nearby
[07:49] <Unit193> There are a few close to here, but I'd just go down, not out
[07:51]  * Cheri703 goes to forage
[07:56]  * Cheri703 decides it isn't worth the effort required
[07:57] <Cheri703> I have to leave early for work tomorrow to go to the pharmacy, so might leave EXTRA early so I can pick up some lunch


[20:35] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Are you around?
[20:39] <jbicha> GunnarHj: good evening
[20:39] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi!
[20:39] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I'm hesitating as regards the docs.
[20:41] <GunnarHj> jbicha: After I had replied on the docs list, I took a look at gnome-user-docs, and I saw nothing that would help us maintain publishing or customization.
[20:42] <GunnarHj> jbicha: An alternative to switch to gnome-user-docs would be to copy all the .page files into the ubuntu-docs trunk, make the most obvious adjustments (and keep track of which those adjustments are).
[20:44] <jbicha> I'm thinking you'd want to still identify as "gnome-help" so that we don't have to patch everything that links to help:gnome-help
[20:45] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Not sure I understand the significance of what you just wrote. Can you elaborate?
[20:47] <jbicha> GunnarHj: several apps link to the GNOME help, like nautilus: https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/tree/src/nautilus-application.c#n778
[20:47] <jbicha> we patched some (but not all of them) to show help:ubuntu-help instead when run in Unity but that won't work any more
[20:50] <jbicha> if gnome-user-docs and ubuntu-docs are basically the same except that the Ubuntu version is a bit better for Ubuntu users, then I don't think it is useful to have both in Ubuntu
[20:52] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, that makes sense. We should probably not have both.
[20:53] <jbicha> the URI is set based on the install location, so to use help:gnome-help, you'd install to /usr/share/help/LANG/gnome-help/ instead of /ubuntu-help/
[20:54] <jbicha> GunnarHj: have you looked at gnome-getting-started-docs? it's part of gnome-help too
[20:54] <jbicha> because it has videos, we split it into separate packages so that users only need the versions for their installed languages
[20:56] <GunnarHj> jbicha: No, I don't recall I've seen gnome-getting-started-docs. Is there a web version of it?
[20:56] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yes, it's the Getting Started section at the top of https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/
[20:58] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok... Is the .page files for that included in the gnome-user-docs package?
[20:58] <jbicha> (but the version on the website looks a bit old)
[20:58] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Or is it a separate package? (Suppose the latter.)
[20:59] <jbicha> it's a separate package but it embeds itself into gnome-help
[20:59] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-getting-started-docs/tree/
[21:02] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, there are quite a few things I'm not enough familiar with yet. My main concerns are 1. Ubuntu customization and 2. Publishing (branding)
[21:03] <jbicha> I don't think publishing to help.ubuntu.com will be a problem
[21:04] <jbicha> Ubuntu customization can be handled a few different ways depending on how much you need to do
[21:04] <GunnarHj> jbicha: It needs to be dealt with somehow, and code for doing it is handy available in the ubuntu-docs package currently. Maybe that code can be copied, though...
[21:05] <jbicha> sure
[21:10] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I don't know yet how much customization would be needed. Currently there are a couple of obvious things, but to some extent it depends on some decisions which have not been made yet. Currently we have a pretty well working workflow with the docs for Ubuntu, and I think we should try to preserve it as much as possible to not alienate the community.
[21:14] <GunnarHj> jbicha: One thing which would complicate any customization is the translations. I have no idea yet how to handle that.
[21:23] <jbicha> I didn't understand the part in your email talking about translations, but I guess you can talk with seb128 about that later
[21:28] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Yes, seb128 needs to be involved in that. My idea is to not use pkgstriptranslations when building, even if that's standard for main packages.
[21:31] <jbicha> oh, I guess it depends on how concerned we are about disk space
[21:32] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Precisely.
[21:33] <jbicha> the gnome-getting-started pkg is way too large to not be split into the language packs though (~116MB)
[21:37] <GunnarHj> jbicha: But splitting it the way it's currently done would not be a problem. I just want to avoid the language packs.
[21:39] <jbicha> oh, maybe you could make a bunch of binary packages like the getting-started pkg does so it has the advantage of less disk space used but you should be able to update it on its own schedule
[21:41] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Right, that would be an option.
[22:34] <a1fa> gnome is so terrible
[22:34] <a1fa> even after million and one extensions to make it look like unity
[23:09] <a1fa> kde is.. so gross too