[00:06] <niemeyer> wallyworld: No, unfortunately I can't do a release today. This needs to be prepared and announced as usual, and it's not a good idea to do that on a Friday before leaving for a sprint
[00:08] <wallyworld> niemeyer: ok. we have have to release beta12 today/tomorrow to we'll need to deal with it
[00:08] <wallyworld> s/to/so
[00:10] <niemeyer> wallyworld: Sorry about that, but I really can't risk compromising everybody else with a broken release when I'm not going to be around for days to fix it
[00:10] <wallyworld> niemeyer: totally understand. i think the CI guys are looking at a workaround
[00:16] <marcoceppi> is there a limit on the size of a local resource I can deploy with beta11?
[00:18] <marcoceppi> nevermin,d just took a hot min
[00:29] <niemeyer> wallyworld: Note the code can actually import from mgo.v2-unstable
[00:29] <niemeyer> wallyworld: That may be the easiest
[00:29] <wallyworld> niemeyer: sure, but that means churn just to change all the import paths
[00:30] <niemeyer> wallyworld: ... which is a trivial mechanical change, right?
[00:31] <wallyworld> it is. and then we change back again next week or whenever. that bit about Go is annoying to say the least
[01:02] <axw> wallyworld: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5244/ - trivial fix for windows failure
[01:02] <wallyworld> ok
[01:04] <wallyworld> axw: lgtm
[01:19] <thumper> niemeyer: except it is a "trivial mechanical change" across 10 different repos
[01:43] <alexisb__> so thumper, wallyworld are we all good for release except for dep updates for the mgo fix?
[01:44] <alexisb__> can one of you please send a summary to balloons and myself
[01:44] <thumper> alexisb__: I'm not sure if we even need to do the dep update
[01:44] <thumper> if the release process can pull over the branch
[01:44] <alexisb__> thumper, understood
[01:44] <wallyworld> alexisb__: as per my email i am expecting what tim said
[01:44] <alexisb__> I want to make sure that is clear to all
[01:44] <alexisb__> what is being requested
[01:45] <wallyworld> i asked nic/martin to confirm in the email
[01:53] <alexisb__> wallyworld, thumper I sent a clarification email just in case :)
[01:54] <alexisb__> please take a look and add comentary/corrections if neccisary
[01:55] <wallyworld> alexisb__: thanks. let's hope we get the answer we are looking for. we need a jedi mind trick
[02:31] <niemeyer> thumper: A trivial mechanical change across "10 repositories" (doubt it) is still a trivial mechanical change. It'd be done by now.
[02:32] <thumper> you doubt that we have that many that depend on mgo?
[02:32] <thumper> really?
[02:33] <niemeyer> Yeah, I doubt that a juju release has to build 10 independent repositories that all depend on mgo.. will be surprised, honestly.
[02:34] <thumper> not build 10, but there are ~10 external repos that juju/juju depends on that also bring in mgo
[02:34] <thumper> all those would also need to change, no?
[02:34] <thumper> luckily we have a smart releast team that have worked a way for us not to bother
[02:35] <thumper> but yes, changing imports is invasive
[02:35] <niemeyer> I don't know.. depends on how you organize your code I guess.   That way, only the dependencies.tsv file needs to change. It's a hack, but it works and doesn't cause a ton of churn.
[02:53] <wallyworld> natefinch: interesting, i didn't realise we could do that
[02:53]  * thumper wonders about the nested packages
[02:56] <natefinch> yeah, godeps is a handy little hack... it doesn't care about branches at all, so as long as the revision is in the git repo, godeps can point the local code at it.
[02:56] <thumper> natefinch: https://github.com/go-mgo/mgo/blob/v2-unstable/session.go
[02:57] <thumper> natefinch: still impots from v2-unstable
[02:57] <thumper> so not sufficient
[02:57] <natefinch> thumper: oh, yeah, that won't work
[02:57] <natefinch> crud
[02:58] <natefinch> I've done it with feature branches, but they weren't hard coded in the import statement.  That does make it basically impossible
[03:14] <mup> Bug #1570594 changed: read access to admin model allows grant <docteam> <juju-release-support> <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570594>
[03:30] <thumper> natefinch: however we can specify the revision that was the tip of babbleclunk's branch
[03:37] <natefinch> thumper: sounds like it could work
[03:48] <thumper> jam: ping
[03:52] <thumper> jam: unping
[05:15] <wallyworld> axw: i've updated the mgo dep, will fix mgo issue in beta12 http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5245/
[05:20] <wallyworld> jam: so as axw pointed out, the above PR won't work because code in gopkg.in/mgo.v2 imports from gopkg.in/mgo.v2-unstable. wtf
[05:21] <axw> wallyworld: gopkg.in/mgo.v2-unstable/txn imports gopkg.in/mgo.v2-unstable
[05:21] <axw> the commit you're pointing at is from the unstable branch
[05:21] <wallyworld> yes, but i thought i was following the advise that we just hack the commit sha in deps.tsv
[05:22] <wallyworld> which won't work will it
[05:23] <axw> nope
[05:23] <wallyworld> so no choice other than to vendor if we want beta12 out
[05:24] <axw> wallyworld: we build with go 1.6 now, so that would be the least amount of work I think
[06:25] <axw> wallyworld: take it or leave it, but this works: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/5805
[06:39] <wallyworld> looking
[06:46] <wallyworld> axw: hmmm, seems like now we will just be double handling everything. commit to the upstream repo and copy all the files to the vendored package. i'm -1 on it, so best you get jam or someone to +1
[06:46] <wallyworld> unless there's something i don't get
[06:47] <axw> wallyworld: how's that worse than committing to upstream, copying to juju namespace?
[06:48] <wallyworld> now we commit to upstream and update dependencies.tsv
[06:48] <wallyworld> one small change to juju/juju
[06:48] <axw> wallyworld: in other words, what are you going to do if you don't want to merge this
[06:48] <axw> wallyworld: this doesn't have to live beyond beta12
[06:49] <wallyworld> seems like a huge change just for one beta, but i guess it's just copying files
[06:50] <wallyworld> the other alternative is just to update the import paths to v2-unstable
[06:50] <axw> wallyworld: copying a bunch of files into one temporary location, vs. changing files over all our repos
[06:51] <wallyworld> fair point. it can be reversed after beta ships
[06:51] <wallyworld> although we'd just need to change import paths in juju/juju
[06:51] <axw> wallyworld: nope. blobstore takes mgo.v2, we pass into it from juju
[06:52] <axw> likewise for juju/txn I think
[06:52] <wallyworld> sure, but blobstore has no depencencies.tsv
[06:52] <wallyworld> ah
[06:52] <wallyworld> but yeah import paths
[06:52] <wallyworld> either way it's a mess
[06:53] <wallyworld> axw: so maybe it's the only viable option, but cut you get a +1 from william or john just to be sure?
[06:54] <axw> wallyworld: sure
[06:54] <axw> I think will is out
[06:54] <axw> jam: are you about?
[06:54] <axw> away on IRC at any rate
[07:03] <wallyworld> axw: here's a quickee fix for a critical restore bug http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5247/
[07:03] <wallyworld> the main issue is now gone since rog deleted failback connect
[07:06] <axw> wallyworld: why change it to use ControllerByName first?
[07:07] <wallyworld> axw: i wanted to reuse existing cloud / region
[07:07] <axw> wallyworld: if you rebootstrap with a mismatched cloud/region, it'll be terribly broken anyway
[07:07] <wallyworld> ah yeah, that is true
[07:08] <wallyworld> i'll revert that bit
[07:21] <jam> axw: wallyworld: I thought we could point to babbageclunk's revision as well
[07:21] <jam> which was written against mgo.v2 so shouldn't be importing mgo.v2-unstable
[07:21] <jam> thumper mentioned a revision
[07:22] <axw> jam: dependencies.tsv does not separate repo from package path
[07:22] <axw> so you can't say get babbageclunk's repo, and call it gopkg.in/mgo.v2
[07:23] <axw> wallyworld: in your PR, I meant a test for the thing that broke in the first place
[07:23] <axw> wallyworld: I didn't see a test added
[07:24] <wallyworld> axw: the thing that broke was in api connect code that was deleted
[07:24] <axw> wallyworld: that was the trigger, but you still fixed a bug?
[07:25] <wallyworld> yeah, i could add a check for the order of updating controller info
[07:26] <wallyworld> i'll do that
[07:29] <jam> axw: because the revision is in the repository that also holds gopkg.in/mgo.v2 godeps will let you use it
[07:29] <jam> axw: anything revision that is in the upstream repository is a potential target for godeps
[07:30] <jam> I tried it with aee6a64 to confirm
[07:30] <jam> though that would suffer from the import problem
[07:32] <axw> jam: babbageclunk's most recent commit has the -unstable import paths
[07:32] <axw> it wasn't done as a separate merge step
[07:33] <wallyworld> axw: test done, will propose once merge finishes
[07:34] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[07:34] <wallyworld> i should have done it in the first place
[07:38] <jam> axw: well that sucks
[07:55] <wallyworld> axw: and here's the test http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5248/
[07:57] <wallyworld> jam: so we either (temporarily) vendor as axw has proposed or we update import paths in juju/blobstore, juju/txn and juju/juju
[07:57] <axw> wallyworld: LGTM, thanks
[07:57] <wallyworld> ta
[08:08] <jam> wallyworld: if we vendor we have to update everything don't we? the discussion with mgz yesterday was that we might be able to add an "apply this patch" as part of the 'make-release-tarball.sh' script
[08:13] <wallyworld> jam: yeah, that's my issue with vendoring. axw has done the PR - it's huge. but the current thinking is this will be just for this beta. the changes to core are trivial. 99.99% of the PR is copying in the files of all the deps
[08:13] <wallyworld> the alternative is to churn the necessary dependent repos and then update core also
[08:14] <wallyworld> with the new import paths
[08:14] <axw> wallyworld jam: to be up front, I would like it to be there for good, and I'll make my argument for that later. but we don't *have* to have it for good
[08:14] <wallyworld> axw: if it is there for good, my issue is the double handing of every dependent repo update
[08:14] <axw> wallyworld: please let's talk about that later :)
[08:15] <wallyworld> :-)
[08:16] <axw> (wallyworld: I don't disagree that that's a problem, but there are benefits that I'd like us to weigh up.)
[08:16] <wallyworld> sure, fair point
[08:16] <axw> I intended to bring it up at the sprint, but there was never really a good time
[08:16] <wallyworld> yeah :-(
[08:25] <anastasiamac> axw: sounds like we need another sprint :)
[08:26] <axw> heh
[08:26] <axw> I'm all sprunt out
[08:26] <anastasiamac> the same. m glad my voice is back at least \o/
[08:29] <babbageclunk> hey wallyworld - what happened with this PR? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/5804
[08:30] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i had to not do it cause it would have broken everything due to mixed import paths
[08:30] <wallyworld> code in that rev imports from v2-unstable
[08:30] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ah, gotcha.
[08:31] <urulama|____> does openstack provider in juju 1.25 support v3 keystone auth?
[08:31] <wallyworld> no
[08:31] <urulama> but it does in juju 2.0, right?
[08:32] <urulama> (to a very limited default region degree)
[08:32] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: jam and axw and myself have been discussing. there's a PR to vendor all the things http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5246/; or we have to update all the necessary repos with new import paths
[08:32] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: either way, pain and suffering
[08:33] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: :(
[08:33] <wallyworld> urulama: you can specify domain and endpoint url
[08:33] <wallyworld> urulama: bbiab, dinner time
[08:33] <urulama> wallyworld: bon appétit
[08:42] <babbageclunk> How many reviewers does a 19k-line diff need?
[08:43] <urulama> :)
[08:44] <babbageclunk> Prob'ly a few.
[08:45] <axw> wallyworld: I'll hold off until the beta is out, but I have a PR ready to delete some code: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5249/
[08:46] <axw> no rush on a review, can wait till monday
[08:46]  * axw goes to make dinner
[09:22] <babbageclunk> axw, wallyworld, jam - is there anything I can do to help with the mgo update before the release? With vendoring the package, are we then going to apply the minimal patch in place? (Sorry for interrupting dinners.)
[09:37] <axw> babbageclunk: what's in my PR is actually the v2-unstable branch, just renamed to v2 with import paths fixed
[09:37] <axw> babbageclunk: so it has your changes
[09:39]  * axw goes away again
[10:07] <babbageclunk> axw: Awesome, thanks.
[10:22] <urulama> axw: ERROR storing charm for URL "cs:ubuntu-0": delegatable macaroon cannot be obtained for public entities
[10:22] <urulama> axw, wallyworld: ^ is this client side?
[10:24] <axw> urulama: I don't know which part you mean, but that error message is printed out by the client: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/cmd/juju/application/deploy.go#L460
[10:24] <axw> urulama: sorry, gtg
[10:25] <urulama> axw: all good, default grant is read only, that's returned instead of saying you don't have write access
[10:37] <babbageclunk> does anyone know if there's a reason not to replace common.SortStringsNaturally with the version from utils throughout juju/juju?
[10:38] <babbageclunk> The utils version handles values with multiple embedded numbers.
[10:38] <babbageclunk> (like 3/lxd/4)
[10:43] <axw> jam: I've just weeded out a few issues with my vendor branch, should be good now. if you're OK with it, can you please merge it?  otherwise someone will need to do the dep changes
[10:44] <axw> I need to go help with the kids now
[10:50] <babbageclunk> (answering myself) gah, this change was already done (https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/5666), but on the model-migration branch.
[10:51] <babbageclunk> That seems obtuse.
[11:45] <voidspace> babbageclunk: I bought the Microsoft LX6000 headset. Works great and doesn't look so ridiculous. :-)
[11:47] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: as far as I know, we intend to merge model-migration branch next week (right after shipping beta12)
[11:47] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: mayb hangon on updating the bug and mark as fix committed once the merge occurs?.. :D
[12:31] <babbageclunk> voidspace: yay, headset buddies!
[12:31] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: ok, thanks - I'll do that.
[12:32] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: \o/ thank you for ur patience :D there are plenty ofother bitesizes that can be nibbled on if u r keen :P
[12:33] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: :) Actually yeah - I find myself at a bit of a loose end this afternoon, so I'll have a look.
[12:33] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: wow! i forgot what it feels like :) u r great for tackling these!
[12:36] <babbageclunk> :)
[15:02] <katco> natefinch: standup time
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1603473 opened: Relation fails as untis/machines are on different subnet on a multi NIC setup, juju 2.0 beta11 <11> <2.0> <beta> <juju> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603473>
[16:18] <alexisb__> voidspace, ping
[16:22] <alexisb__> dooferlad, ping
[16:26] <dooferlad> alexisb__: I am both on holiday and cooking, but what's up?
[16:26] <alexisb__> dooferlad, nevermind, it is not that urgent
[16:26] <alexisb__> sorry didnt know you were out today
[16:26] <alexisb__> enjoy your holiday
[16:27] <perrito666> dooferlad: also dont cook and irc
[16:28] <dooferlad> perrito666: it's OK, that's what irccloud is for. I am done with knives and am just waiting for things to cook.
[17:17] <natefinch-afk> out for a bit taking a kid to a checkup
[17:25] <perrito666> natefinch-afk: gluck
[17:31] <frobware> alexisb__: will take a look over bug #1603473 again
[17:31] <mup> Bug #1603473: Relation fails as untis/machines are on different subnet on a multi NIC setup, juju 2.0 beta11 <11> <2.0> <beta> <juju> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603473>
[17:32] <alexisb__> thanks frobware
[17:32] <alexisb__> frobware, if we cna just get an idea of next steps that would be awesome
[17:33] <frobware> alexisb__: just asked for their MAAS network setup - with that I can try and reproduce
[18:41] <katco> need to run out for a late lunch meeting. bbiab
[19:43] <mup> Bug # changed: 1567635, 1568101, 1583789, 1584616, 1586512, 1590605, 1591387, 1594924, 1595686, 1596493, 1596597, 1597342, 1597704, 1598049, 1598063, 1598113, 1598118, 1598164, 1598286, 1598289, 1598293, 1598897, 1598964, 1599402, 1599779, 1599905, 1602732, 1602895, 1603208
[20:13] <mup> Bug #1593828 changed: cannot assign unit E11000 duplicate key error collection: juju.txns.stash <ci> <conjure> <deploy> <intermittent-failure> <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:Fix Released by 2-xtian> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593828>
[20:50] <natefinch> if anyone has some time, moderate sized review (+631, -20) http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5238/
[22:41] <mup> Bug #1603577 opened: backup-restore: panic: empty value for "api-port" found in configuration <backup-restore> <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603577>
[22:47] <mup> Bug #1603577 changed: backup-restore: panic: empty value for "api-port" found in configuration <backup-restore> <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603577>
[22:52] <katco> wallyworld: mup is telling on you :)
[22:54] <wallyworld> alexisb: that bug is a slightly different manefestation of the same know restore issue, so the beta should still go ahread
[22:57] <wallyworld> alexisb: what was rhe final decison with regards to mgo - vendoring was considered and ruled out, looks like a patch approach was adopted
[22:59] <mup> Bug #1603577 opened: backup-restore: panic: empty value for "api-port" found in configuration <backup-restore> <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603577>
[23:11] <mup> Bug #1603584 opened: juju-uitest calls obsolete --show-passwords <ci> <juju-gui> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603584>
[23:41] <mup> Bug #1603585 opened: modelManagerStateSuite.SetUpTest no reachable servers on windows <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603585>
[23:45] <alexisb> wallyworld, it is not blocking beta
[23:45] <alexisb> but I am assigning it to you as it was a new symtom of the same restore issue you are working on


[07:45] <Kilos> morning all
[08:12] <pavlushka> Morning every one!
[08:47] <mazal> Morning
[08:48] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:48] <mazal> Now my mobile is dead also :(
[08:48] <Kilos> ai!
[08:48] <mazal> Only 2 weeks in and alrwady problems
[08:49] <mazal> This country &^$$
[08:49] <mazal> On the Afrihost sim now
[08:49] <magespawn> hello the room
[08:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:51] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[08:52] <magespawn> how is the afrihost mazal ?
[08:53] <mazal> Expensive
[08:53] <mazal> But have no choice , telkom mobile dead also today
[08:54] <Kilos> ai!
[08:54] <mazal> So tired of all this &*^%&*
[08:54] <Kilos> isnt your adsl working again?
[08:54] <mazal> Anyway , what could cause Kubu refusing to remove a usb device ?
[08:55] <Kilos> when its busy
[08:55] <mazal> Put usb stick in , copied data to HDD , copy finished. Try to remove , hangs with "removing device"
[08:56] <mazal> Think it was still busiy copying even though it showed copy is finished ?
[08:56] <Kilos> ai!
[08:56] <Kilos> yes
[08:56] <mazal> lame
[08:56] <Kilos> you in too much of a hurry
[08:57] <mazal> When it shows finished it should be finished
[08:58] <Kilos> doesnt it show on that message thing that shows when net connected
[08:58] <Kilos> i see progress bars
[08:58] <mazal> That's my point , the progress bar was long finished and gone
[08:58] <Kilos> ah
[08:59] <Kilos> file a bug report
[08:59] <mazal> Have frequent crashes also
[09:00] <mazal> Those "internal error occured" messages
[09:01] <mazal> And different apps crashing every now and then ( of which I don't recognize the names)
[09:01] <Kilos> you on 16.04 right?
[09:01] <mazal> Yep
[09:01] <Kilos> file bug reports
[09:01] <mazal> Stability not so good at the moment
[09:01] <Kilos> that will make it get improved
[09:09] <mazal> gtg for now , dunno how long I have to stretch this 1gig for
[09:09] <Kilos> ok
[09:09] <mazal> Maybe I'm lucky and Telscum is busy upgrading the tower to LTE lol
[09:10] <Kilos> lol
[09:10] <mazal> bye
[09:10] <Kilos> later
[09:29] <magespawn> brb
[09:32] <magespawn> back
[09:33] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[09:33] <inetpro> ai! #thisguy
[09:34] <inetpro> good evening
[09:34] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[09:34] <Kilos> which guy
[09:41] <gremble> Good morning everyone. I hope you are all still well
[09:41] <gremble> :)
[09:41] <Kilos> hi gremble wb
[09:41] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[09:41] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:41] <gremble> I am well thank you
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: this guy who blames the country when his mobile goes down
[10:00] <gremble> If you are with CellC you only have yourself to blame if your mobile goes down :P
[10:01] <magespawn> gremble: strangely, i have very few problems with mine, touch wood
[10:01] <inetpro> gremble: long time no see, welcome back here sir
[10:01] <gremble> Hey inetpro :)
[10:02] <gremble> magespawn, I bought myself out of a contract with them so I can keep my number and move away from them
[10:02] <gremble> I live in Pretoria and I don't have signal inside my own house with them
[10:03] <inetpro> where did you move to now gremble?
[10:03] <magespawn> i am in Hluhluwe, and it runs pretty much as expected in bush, but that is with all networks
[10:03] <inetpro> I mean what mobile SP?
[10:03] <inetpro> or are you in luck with ADSL even?
[10:03] <gremble> I am with VodaCom. Other than their shitty practises with regards to VIoP, its alright
[10:04] <gremble> For internet I have adsl
[10:04] <gremble> with Mweb unfortunately :P
[10:04] <inetpro> yeah, VC is not good at all but with regards to coverage still beat everyone else hands down
[10:05] <gremble> CellC has a "feature" now where they charge you phonecall rates for voip :P
[10:06] <Kilos> im happy with telkom mobile
[10:06] <inetpro> wow, that is just ridiculous
[10:19] <inetpro> time for FTTH rollouts to speed up
[10:21] <magespawn> gremble: i saw that, was not too sure about it
[10:24] <inetpro> I think we need more people who can do the splicing job
[10:24] <inetpro> or where is the bottleneck in this whole industry?
[10:25] <inetpro> Symmetria: come now, you should know the answer to that
[12:14] <Symmetria> heh
[12:14] <Symmetria> the bottleneck is not the splicing
[12:14] <Symmetria> the bottleneck is in the civil works and in the permiting
[12:14] <Symmetria> (and often the funding)
[12:52] <inetpro> Symmetria: so there are enough guys in the industry who can do the splicing if a city is really serious about FTTH?
[12:53] <inetpro> or rather, where does the buck stop even, is it not just Telkom anyway?
[12:53] <inetpro> or Neotel
[12:56] <inetpro> who do we call in order to get fiber to a house, school or business?
[12:56] <inetpro> sad that there is still no competition in this industry
[13:58] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[13:58] <Langjan> you ok?
[13:58] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[13:58] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[13:59] <Langjan> Fine thks. started the drive it wants a password
[13:59] <Kilos> oh thats easy
[13:59] <Langjan> you put "Tannie" in?
[13:59] <Kilos> is that in tannie
[13:59] <Langjan> yes
[13:59] <Kilos> i am still on there as well
[13:59] <Langjan> so I see
[14:00] <Kilos> ok tannie passwd is 12345678 you can change it to something she will remember
[14:00] <Kilos> and i gave her admin rights so you should be able to remove me completely
[14:01] <Kilos> i was bang to try
[14:01] <Kilos> hehe
[14:01] <Langjan> Thks but I'm gonna battle to help her with this interface
[14:02] <Kilos> you can install what you like on there
[14:02] <Kilos> that is a light 14.04
[14:02] <Kilos> ubuntu using openbox
[14:03] <Langjan> Ok, can it not run unity?
[14:03] <Kilos> i havent got any 32 bit isos , i gave my lekker mod pc to ian and the second drive in there had many isos
[14:04] <Kilos> you can install
[14:04] <Kilos> um
[14:04] <Kilos> ubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <Kilos> it uses same repos
[14:05] <Langjan> is that in terminal?
[14:05] <Kilos> i basically wanted to see if it books first time
[14:05] <Kilos> or in synaptic
[14:05] <Langjan> booted fine
[14:05] <Kilos> look in then thing bottom left
[14:05] <Kilos> then in system
[14:06] <Kilos> you will find synaptic
[14:06] <Kilos> you will see terminal icon on the bottom panel
[14:07] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <Langjan> now youre losing me terminal in synaptic?
[14:08] <Kilos> no man
[14:09] <Kilos> if you have synaptic type in the search ubuntu-desktop
[14:10] <Langjan> not there, but am running in terminal
[14:10] <Kilos> then run sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[14:11] <Kilos> hopefully it runs unity ok
[14:11] <Langjan> ek het mos gese hy loop al...
[14:11] <Langjan> ok lets see
[14:11] <Kilos> maybeyou lucky, openbox is much lighter
[14:14] <Langjan> stormers 24 reds 22
[14:14] <Kilos> depending on ram spead it should run unity but will be slow
[14:14] <Kilos> yeah im watching as well
[14:14] <Langjan> ram is 1 GB should be ok
[14:14] <Kilos> tara woke me to watch
[14:14] <Kilos> eish
[14:14] <Kilos> 1g is min
[14:16] <Langjan> eish my line is running at 1Mbps, just doing a check and reset
[14:17] <Kilos> 12.04 had unity 2d but i cant rememer if 14.04 can
[14:18] <Langjan> well I would say if 12.04 had it it should be on 14.04
[14:18] <Langjan> its done 75% running slow
[14:19] <Kilos> nope
[14:19] <Kilos> they dropped it i think
[14:19] <Kilos> thats why i build a faster pc
[14:19] <Langjan> oh ok. Here goes stormers lead down the drain
[14:21] <Kilos> if its too slow you can use gnome session fallback i think
[14:22] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/189912/how-to-install-the-gnome-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-14.04/
[14:24] <Langjan> thks
[14:24] <Kilos> ldet me know what happens each step
[14:24] <Kilos> let as well
[14:24] <Langjan> ok thks
[14:25] <Kilos> that drive has been going a year with bento trouble free
[14:25] <Langjan> unpacking 50%
[14:25] <Langjan> seems to be running very nicely
[14:29] <Langjan> I got her network cable 55 metres for R150
[14:29] <Kilos> yay
[14:29] <Langjan> no joints
[14:29] <Kilos> is 55 enough
[14:29] <Langjan> yes
[14:29] <Kilos> good
[14:30] <Langjan> tested and working fine
[14:30] <Kilos> lekker
[14:30] <Kilos> nice when things work
[14:31] <Langjan> pipes and hardware another R130 and the switch R170 delivered, on its way
[14:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:31] <Langjan> Well it will be paid off in about 5 months
[14:32] <Kilos> good thats ok then
[14:32] <Langjan> savings from mobile data
[14:32] <Kilos> yeah
[14:32] <Langjan> and much more stable
[14:35] <Langjan> ok Kilos download completed what next?
[14:35] <Kilos> it should install
[14:35] <mazal> Hi
[14:35] <Kilos> hi mazal
[14:36] <Langjan> hi mazal
[14:36] <mazal> Got another niggle , network system icon is hidden
[14:36] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/icon1-YH0YjRRr.jpeg
[14:36] <mazal> http://picpaste.com/icon2-PMzX4CmY.jpeg
[14:36] <Kilos> Langjan didnt it install
[14:36] <mazal> Where it's supposed to be ( where mouse pointer is in pic ) is just blank
[14:37] <Langjan> no
[14:37] <mazal> This only happens when I'm on 3g dongle , on lan it is there
[14:37] <Langjan> but maybe I must see if we come right with this interface
[14:37] <Kilos> Langjan sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[14:37] <Langjan> ok
[14:38] <Kilos> then on rebooting you should be able to choose ubuntu
[14:38] <Kilos> i havent tried mixing them
[14:39] <Kilos> mazal whats wrongf
[14:40] <mazal> Network system icon blank/missing/hidden
[14:40] <mazal> See the pics
[14:40] <Kilos> oh nm-applet
[14:40] <Kilos> i donr see them lekker
[14:40] <mazal> Only when dongle is in use
[14:40] <mazal> It should be signal bars
[14:41] <Kilos> when dongle is in open it and add other connection
[14:41] <mazal> It's working fine
[14:41] <mazal> Just the system icon that isn't
[14:41] <Langjan> Kilos,  where do you switch this thing off?
[14:42] <Langjan> sudo reboot?
[14:42] <mazal> When I click on the blank space where it should be it open the connection info
[14:42] <Kilos> left bottom corner
[14:42] <Langjan> no
[14:42] <Kilos> the choose logoff
[14:42] <Kilos> or sudo reboot works ya
[14:42] <mazal> Langjan, is that Kubuntu
[14:42] <Kilos> the logoff opens a windows to shutdown reboot etc
[14:43] <Kilos> no mazal bento
[14:43] <mazal> oh
[14:44] <mazal> Looks like my inet has signal again , lemme test
[14:44] <Langjan> runs thro a lot of libraries on boot
[14:44] <Kilos> hopefully on grub menu you can choose
[14:47] <Langjan> I think I must install 14.04
[14:47] <Kilos> whats happening
[14:47] <Langjan> nothing
[14:47] <mazal> Now on lan the icon is back
[14:47] <Langjan> just rebooted same
[14:47] <mazal> So it's the mobile icon that's missing/blank
[14:47] <Kilos> nowhere to choose ubuntu
[14:47] <Kilos> ok install 14.04
[14:48] <Langjan> no not in grub, only recovery mode option
[14:48] <Kilos> save that page bento
[14:48] <Kilos> no
[14:48] <Kilos> where you put password
[14:48] <Kilos> small thing you tick to choose
[14:48] <Kilos> on the desktop is a file with bento links
[14:51] <magespawn> home time, chat  later all
[14:51] <Kilos> cheers magespawn
[14:56] <Kilos> Langjan whats happening
[14:56] <Kilos> just save the bento links then install 14.04
[14:59] <Langjan> banto links?
[14:59] <Langjan> bento
[14:59] <Kilos> there is a file on the desktop named bento
[14:59] <Kilos> all the links to get bento are there
[14:59] <Kilos> just save that on a stick
[14:59] <Langjan> dunno its not running now
[15:00] <Langjan> not booting from cd
[15:00] <Langjan> will get back to bento
[15:00] <Kilos> oh my
[15:01] <Langjan> strange thing, it saya boot from cd then stays there, when I eject cd it boots directly on bento
[15:01] <Kilos> you have to wait long its a slow machine
[15:01] <Kilos> needs to load info to ram first
[15:03] <Langjan> no bento links file that I can see
[15:03] <Langjan> on desktop?
[15:03] <Kilos> oh my
[15:03] <Kilos> ok
[15:03] <Kilos> i might have it saved somewhwree
[15:04] <Kilos> np
[15:04] <Kilos> try boot from 12.04 cd
[15:05] <Langjan> picks up immediately on 12.04
[15:05] <Kilos> lighter
[15:06] <Kilos> install 12.04
[15:06] <Langjan> ok maybe better for now
[15:06] <Kilos> its supported till 2017
[15:06] <Langjan> thats fine
[15:07] <Langjan> were back to the cd/dvd prob
[15:07] <Langjan> this is cd writer
[15:07] <Kilos> yes
[15:07] <Langjan> I forgot
[15:07] <Kilos> 12.04 is on cd
[15:07] <Langjan> yip
[15:07] <Kilos> 14.04 is on dvd
[15:08] <Kilos> you want to borrow my email addy
[15:09] <Kilos> the pro doesnt use it anymore , he got too clever
[15:11] <Kilos> and you can look around for more ram for that machine  in the future
[15:13] <Langjan> will do
[15:13] <Langjan> but they scarce
[15:13] <Kilos> i know , i only found at pc repair shops
[15:14] <Langjan> same installer failure as before, perhaps motherboard prob?
[15:14] <Kilos> eish
[15:14] <Kilos> run bento, just work it out
[15:15] <Kilos> it takes some looking through but everything is there
[15:15] <Langjan> ok
[15:16] <Kilos> opera is the browser i think
[15:16] <Kilos> now i dont have a bento here to look at to help you
[15:17] <Kilos> ai!
[15:18] <Langjan> I think install has damaged bento, not booting
[15:18] <Kilos> oh my
[15:18] <Kilos> not at all
[15:19] <Langjan> no, says boot from cd then cursor keeps blinking
[15:19] <Kilos> ai!
[15:19] <Kilos> reboot again
[15:20] <Kilos> hopefully we can get to prompt
[15:21] <Langjan> same result
[15:21] <Kilos> change cd for dvd and try
[15:21] <Langjan> verifying dmi pool data, the boot from cd, then cursor prompt
[15:22] <Kilos> didnt we suspect the cdrom?
[15:22] <Langjan> good idea
[15:22] <Langjan> yes
[15:22] <Langjan> but windows installled from cdrom
[15:22] <Kilos> ai!
[15:23] <Kilos> why cant things go smooth
[15:23] <Kilos> i should have installed 12.04 on it here
[15:24] <Kilos> you could even do that on your pc
[15:24] <Langjan> retrying
[15:24] <Langjan> yes thats an option
[15:25] <Langjan> let me try once more then will use my pc if it does not work
[15:25] <Kilos> ok
[15:28] <Langjan> it does not detect bento any more, has obviously deleted it
[15:28] <Langjan> detects 12.04
[15:30] <Langjan> ok shutting down to install hdd will get back soon
[15:31] <Kilos> ok
[16:35] <susan> Hi Kilos
[16:42] <susan> Just checking in from tannie to say install went well, obviously there a hardware prob with her machine - I installed 12.04 on the 160 GB drive that we tried first
[16:42] <susan> you sleeping Kilos ?
[16:55] <Kilos> hi susan
[16:55] <Kilos> was eating sorry
[16:56] <Kilos> tannie sue
[16:56] <susan> hi Kilos  ja moet eet neh
[16:57] <Kilos> im gald to hear that all good
[16:57] <susan> yes so not hdd prob after all
[16:57] <Kilos> ja lee pens nie gesond nie
[16:57] <Kilos> lekker
[16:57] <susan> gotta go eat myself now chat in 20 mins
[16:57] <Kilos> ek bly vir julle
[16:57] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:01] <magespawn> good evening
[17:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:04] <magespawn> so it looks like i am coming up to jhb
[17:05] <Kilos> you got a job up there?
[17:05] <magespawn> yup
[17:05] <Kilos> yay
[17:05] <Kilos> not a nice place but pay better normally
[17:06] <magespawn> now to find affordable accommodation
[17:08] <magespawn> there is a bit of a pay increase intially, but that is a probation period subject to a review in three months
[17:12] <Kilos> ok
[17:12] <Kilos> so when are you moving magespawn
[17:12]  * Kilos hates movin
[17:12] <Kilos> g
[17:12] <Kilos> massive job
[17:15] <magespawn> it will just be me intially wife and daughter staying down here
[17:15] <Kilos> ai!
[17:15] <magespawn> somewhere betwenn now and the 22nd of next month
[17:15] <magespawn> between two
[17:16] <magespawn> or too
[17:16] <Kilos> good luck lad
[17:16] <Kilos> keep in touch
[17:17] <magespawn> of course, might actually be able to organise a few get togethers etc
[17:17] <Kilos> cool
[17:18] <magespawn> or at least attend a few
[17:26] <superfly> Kilos: http://imgur.com/drykS8j
[17:27] <Kilos> beautiful hey superfly
[17:28] <susan_> Hi Kilos Looks like some colder weather on the way
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah
[17:30] <susan_> ok just about ready to check out and install the hdd in the old man
[17:30] <Kilos> lets hope
[17:30] <susan_> You expect probs?
[17:31] <Kilos> nope hopefully
[17:31] <Kilos> didnt we try this before
[17:31] <susan_> justfinalsing some updates
[17:31] <susan_> no
[17:31] <Kilos> good
[17:32] <susan_> so now I have spare hdd
[17:32] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:32] <Kilos> practise using bento on it
[17:32] <susan_> Baie dankie, will think of you when I need it...
[17:32] <Kilos> works better and more stable than 12.04
[17:32] <susan_> bento?
[17:33] <Kilos> that working system you broke
[17:33] <susan_> ok if I find the time (unlikely)
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <susan_> eish
[17:33] <susan_> lmga sorry!
[17:33] <Kilos> it works well on older machines
[17:34] <susan_> will try to remember that
[17:35] <susan_> I used to like the gnome environment but now spoilt by unity, hated it passionately until I really tried
[17:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:35] <susan_> lmga
[17:35] <susan_> whats happening visa-wise
[17:35] <susan_> ?
[17:35] <Kilos> didnt i tell you
[17:36] <susan_> nothing further?
[17:36] <Kilos> they foned and wanted the clearance in pdf so they could print it
[17:36] <susan_> yes thats the latest you told me, its a disgrace!
[17:36] <Kilos> but they asked for a scanned copy
[17:37] <Kilos> then they cant convert it them selves
[17:37] <gremble> You can scan to a pdf
[17:37] <susan_> so nothing since?
[17:37] <Kilos> libreoffice writer converts easy
[17:37] <Kilos> nope
[17:37] <susan_> yes or just scan to pdf
[17:38] <Kilos> im sure they will print them then put in the post bag to aus
[17:38] <Kilos> i dunno bout scan things
[17:38] <susan_> snailmail?
[17:38] <Kilos> but will know next time
[17:38] <Kilos> no the govt courier things they use between govts
[17:38] <susan_> well your scanner app should show the pdf or jpg or whtever options
[17:39] <Kilos> like from this embassy to their hg
[17:39] <Kilos> dont make me think about scanners now
[17:39] <Kilos> hq
[17:39] <susan_> maybe you dont qualify to go oz, you need a criminal record to go there...lmga
[17:40] <Kilos> i have one
[17:40] <susan_> hq?
[17:40] <Kilos> maybe its too old
[17:40] <Kilos> headquarters
[17:40] <susan_> ok
[17:40] <susan_> my HP is 10 years old, still perfect
[17:41] <Kilos> ai!
[17:41] <Kilos> maybe my record is too old man
[17:41] <Kilos> they might want me to do something wrong every 6 months
[17:42] <susan_> maybe you too old man
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <susan_> lmga
[17:42] <susan_> die ooms
[17:43] <Kilos> put that drive in that machine now lets see
[17:43] <Kilos> hopefully not too many hardware diffs
[17:44] <susan_> another 5 mins updates
[17:47] <susan_> where do you select mirrors in 12.04?
[17:48] <Kilos> update manager
[17:48] <Kilos> or you install synaptic and choose there
[17:48] <Kilos> it should be using our za mirror
[17:48] <Kilos> why you wanna change
[17:49] <Kilos> if it aint broke dont fix it
[17:49] <susan_> you told me to use neulogy
[17:49] <Kilos> you dont have to man
[17:50] <Kilos> at times mirrors go down or take long upgrading then you change
[17:50] <Kilos> if you in a hurry
[17:50] <susan_> If I dont do what you tell me I get s.at on...
[17:50] <Kilos> ai!
[17:50] <Kilos> kry jy nie skaam nie
[17:52] <susan_> nee wat hoekom?
[17:52] <susan_> eks 'n gehoorsame outjie
[17:52] <Kilos> jaja
[17:53] <Kilos> why you susan with a tail
[17:53] <Kilos> susan used already
[17:53] <inetpro> Maaz: tell mazal your "blank" icon may just be a theme issue that may get resolved with an update, icon probably white on white background... change theme to see other colors
[17:53] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[17:53] <susan_> ask irc
[17:53] <susan_> I see other one s also there
[17:53] <Kilos> not many
[17:53] <susan_> so I broke it
[17:54] <Kilos> broke what?
[17:54] <susan_> I broke susan and put a tail to it
[17:54] <Kilos> oh ya 2 of you here
[17:54] <pavlushka> inetpro: I am facing that in xubuntu as well
[17:55] <susan_> how to change nick? tried, doesn't work
[17:55] <Kilos> it wont you are here twice
[17:55] <Kilos> one will retire now now
[17:55] <inetpro> susan_: /nick MyNewNick
[17:56] <susan_> hi inetpro
[17:56] <pavlushka> inetpro: dont you need to kill the ghost?
[17:56] <pavlushka> Hi inetpro !
[17:56] <inetpro> oops... but you may have to wait until the old one times out
[17:56] <susan_> I'm secret service Langjan
[17:57] <Kilos> inetpro keep up man
[17:57] <inetpro> or... use the ghost command to force it out
[17:57] <Kilos> susan_ you on your pc on 12.04 drive
[17:57] <Kilos> ?
[17:57] <susan_> yes
[17:57] <inetpro> ok, lyk my ek is te stadig vir julle, sorry ooms
[17:58] <Kilos> then why bother changing nick
[17:58] <susan_> reg so seuntjie
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:58] <susan_> because you asked why the tail
[17:58] <Kilos> you taking the drive to other pc soon
[17:58] <inetpro> oops... en die ander ene is nog 'n tannie ook nog
[17:59] <Kilos> did you install hexchat or xchat already
[17:59] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:59] <inetpro> goeie dag oom Jan :-)
[17:59] <susan_> me? where you think I'm chatting from...
[17:59] <inetpro> of is dit al aand?
[17:59] <Kilos> the 12.04 drive?
[18:00] <susan_> hi inetpro weer 'n keer...lmga
[18:00] <susan_> yes Kilos
[18:00] <susan_> Dis aand op die dag van 23
[18:00] <inetpro> ek sal maar eerder weer gaan wegkruip dat julle kan aagaan, anders lag julle te veel
[18:00] <Kilos> you installed xchat before updating even
[18:01] <susan_> so?
[18:01] <Kilos> it will make the drive boot to grub prompt when you change to another pc
[18:01] <susan_> gotta report to the boss
[18:02] <susan_> what does that mean?
[18:02] <Kilos> it means you will have to start all over again
[18:02] <Kilos> just joking
[18:02] <Kilos> hopefully it works
[18:03] <Kilos> inetpro you may drop a few words of wisdom here
[18:03] <Kilos> susan_ thats a long 5 mins
[18:04] <susan_> yes, still running
[18:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: you expect words of wisdom from a young one amongst wise men? no, no, no...
[18:05] <Kilos> hahaha you the only one here with a bit of brains
[18:05] <susan_> I suppose fresh 12.04 is very outdated re updates by now?
[18:05] <Kilos> everyone else has lots
[18:05] <inetpro> ai!
[18:05] <Kilos> very seldom needs updates
[18:06] <Kilos> skuus boetie
[18:06] <Kilos> ek terg net
[18:06] <inetpro> haha, ek weet :-)
[18:06] <Kilos> when you say that to someone face to face
[18:06] <Kilos> they actually swell with pride
[18:06]  * inetpro continues with other work in the background
[18:07] <Kilos> then the second remarks pops their  bubble
[18:09] <susan> dis beter
[18:09] <Kilos> wat  is beter
[18:09] <susan> susan
[18:09] <Kilos> aha
[18:09] <susan> stert is weg ek het die ekstra een toegemaak
[18:10] <Kilos> mooi
[18:10] <Kilos> jy peuter te veel terwyl jy instaleer
[18:10] <susan> ou mans hou van peuter, dis hoekom die jong bokkies van hulle hou
[18:12] <mazal> Time for a break
[18:12] <Maaz> mazal: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell mazal your "blank" icon may just be a theme issue that may get resolved with an update, icon probably white on white background... change theme to see other colors" 19 minutes and 38 seconds ago
[18:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:13] <mazal> inetpro, copy that. I already tried finding a way to make the daskbar darker but failed.  Should install steam and check it out
[18:33] <mazal> Next month , when I have data again
[18:33] <Kilos> neelsie uses steam lots
[18:33] <mazal> But it's mostly the lesser Indie games. The big boys don't develop for Linux , yet
[18:34] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:34] <Kilos> you were supposed to give gaming support on that other thing
[18:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:34] <Kilos> slacker
[18:34] <Kilos> trello
[18:34] <mazal> Dunno why , the PS3 is proove that Linux can game. If memory serves it's OS is based on Yellow Dog Linux. ( If I remember correctly )
[18:35] <mazal> I guess they feel not big enough market.
[18:35] <Kilos> nearly bedtime
[18:35] <mazal> So vroeg ?
[18:35] <mazal> Dis Saterdag
[18:36] <Kilos> yes im tired
[18:36] <mazal> okey
[18:36] <Kilos> watched 5 games of rugby today
[18:36] <Kilos> sweated lots
[18:36] <mazal> I watched 1 old one , 2007 WC final
[18:36] <Kilos> i watched all the supers played today
[18:37] <mazal> Have a few old games on disk and watch it every now and then. Don't have DSTV
[18:37] <Kilos> i watch on mnet sport channel
[18:37] <Kilos> even mnet is expensive now
[18:37] <Kilos> but sis hooked so i score
[18:39] <magespawn> right, back again
[18:39] <mazal> Yeah it's too much per month just for tv , but I have other reason for not having it which I will not say on family channel
[18:39] <Kilos> wb
[18:39] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40]  * mazal plans the evening
[18:40] <mazal> Game or movie
[18:40] <Kilos> wb susan
[18:41] <pavlushka-> Hi magespawn!
[18:41] <Kilos> you have 2 irc clients running or something
[18:41] <pavlushka-> Hi mazal!
[18:41] <mazal> Hi pavlushka-
[18:41] <susan> running well and looking good!
[18:41] <Kilos> yaya
[18:41] <Kilos> yay
[18:41] <mazal> Must be a Toyota then
[18:42] <magespawn> hi pavlushka-
[18:42] <susan> Auto Union
[18:43] <susan> Young uns dont even know what that is...
[18:43] <Kilos> yip
[18:43] <Kilos> we had a few
[18:43] <mazal> Yeah , sounds like something that is about to strike
[18:43] <Kilos> plywood body first
[18:43] <Kilos> dkw
[18:44] <Kilos> then 1000 station wagon
[18:44] <susan> yes and 1000s and 1000sp
[18:44] <Kilos> deutse kleine wunder
[18:44] <Kilos> 3/6
[18:44] <susan> no launcher icon siza adjustment this side...?
[18:45] <susan> size
[18:45] <Kilos> ai!
[18:45] <Kilos> and it worked on your pc
[18:45] <susan> yes
[18:45] <susan> strange
[18:45] <Kilos> different screen too
[18:45] <Kilos> hardware diffs
[18:45] <susan> screen is fine
[18:46] <Kilos> type in additional in dash
[18:47] <susan> drivers?
[18:47] <Kilos> see what it says
[18:47] <Kilos> graphics
[18:47] <susan> searching
[18:48] <Kilos> what graphics is in there
[18:48] <Kilos> tell before you install
[18:48] <susan> How do I see that - in tweak?
[18:49] <Kilos> lspci
[18:50] <susan> in terminal?
[18:50] <Kilos> yip
[18:51] <susan> which part of output youwanna see?
[18:51] <Kilos> you most likely in 2d as well so many things dont work as well as 3d
[18:51] <Kilos> you look for graphics
[18:51] <Kilos> not me
[18:51] <Kilos> nvidia or intel
[18:52] <Kilos> with nvidia i can suggest but with intel im lost
[18:52] <Kilos> additional should show you as well
[18:52] <susan> vga? nothing else
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro help
[18:53] <inetpro> wat nou?
[18:53] <Kilos> ai! we need a unity user with a memory back to 12.04
[18:54] <Kilos> susan> no launcher icon siza adjustment this side...?
[18:54]  * inetpro wonders how far back he should read
[18:54] <Kilos> 1 line
[18:54] <inetpro> doesn't make sense
[18:55] <Kilos> susan explain better
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe bottom panel size
[18:55] <susan> well on my machine the launcher icon size adjustment showed, on this one its gone
[18:56] <Kilos> graphics
[18:56]  * inetpro knows nothing about Unity
[18:56] <susan> system settings, appearance, look
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <inetpro> and even less about Windows
[18:56] <Kilos> give him some comands to run man
[18:57] <Kilos> i was on unity and you helped me
[18:57] <inetpro> can't help, sorry
[18:57] <susan> Normally under "look" it gives appearance then launcher icon size adjustment
[18:57] <Kilos> susan sudo apt-get update
[18:57] <susan> ok thks inetpro
[18:57] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[18:58] <inetpro> don't have Unity here to check and test
[18:58] <inetpro> Google is your friend
[18:58] <Kilos> your friend
[18:58] <Kilos> susan you done those commands
[18:58] <Kilos> ??
[18:58] <inetpro> oops... I forget, you may even have to use something other than Google even
[18:58] <susan> yes, running
[18:59] <susan> and upgrade?
[18:59] <Kilos> next will be sudo aptitude upgrade
[18:59]  * inetpro noticed a badly written advisory article about avoiding google.com
[18:59] <Kilos> oh
[18:59] <inetpro> but somebody else could perhaps explain
[19:00]  * inetpro busy in the background
[19:00] <susan> it said install and
[19:00] <Kilos> huh
[19:00] <susan> got to reboot
[19:01] <pavlushka-> good night guys!
[19:01] <Kilos> night
[19:03] <magespawn> inetpro: avoid google.com?
[19:04] <susan> ok will live with large launcher for now
[19:04] <inetpro> magespawn: http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_29786995/google-warns-security-threat-its-own-website
[19:06] <Kilos> how large
[19:07] <inetpro> magespawn: http://www.kentucky.com/news/business/article72710997.html
[19:07] <Kilos> Maaz google 12.04 launcher cant size smaller
[19:07] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to resize the Unity launcher? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/18345/how-to-resize-the-unity-launcher :: "unity - Can I make the launcher Icons smaller than 32 pixels? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/70306/can-i-make-the-launcher-icons-smaller-than-32-pixels :: "How can I change the size of Unity 2D launcher icons? - Ask Ubuntu"
[19:07] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/82395/how-can-i-change-the-size-of-unity-2d-launcher-icons :…
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:07] <Kilos> just like a female
[19:08] <Kilos> walk away when you wanna say something
[19:10] <Kilos> what did he break now
[19:11] <Kilos> pc  froze
[19:19] <Kilos> Langjan what broke
[19:19] <Langjan> niks nie
[19:19] <Langjan> lmga! sorry to disappoint you
[19:19] <Kilos> nou hoe verdwyn jy net so
[19:20] <Langjan> verdwyn? Ek was nie hier nie...
[19:20] <Kilos> Maaz google 12.04 launcher cant size smaller
[19:20] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to resize the Unity launcher? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/18345/how-to-resize-the-unity-launcher :: "unity - Can I make the launcher Icons smaller than 32 pixels? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/70306/can-i-make-the-launcher-icons-smaller-than-32-pixels :: "How can I change the size of Unity 2D launcher icons? - Ask Ubuntu"
[19:20] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/82395/how-can-i-change-the-size-of-unity-2d-launcher-icons :…
[19:20] <Kilos> susan is weg man
[19:20] <Langjan> Ja ek het haar weggejaag
[19:20] <Kilos> i think adding a graphics card there will solve the prob
[19:21] <Kilos> one of the above links will say how
[19:21] <Kilos> but large icons are good for old eyes
[19:21] <Langjan> icon size adjustment is complicated in 12.04, she will not notice diff and if a problem will auto-hide the launcher
[19:22] <Kilos> ok so may i go sleep now?
[19:23] <Langjan> yes thks, that old machine is running well now
[19:23] <Kilos> yay
[19:23] <Langjan> tel eers die skape
[19:23] <Kilos> haha
[19:23] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:24] <Kilos> ill be here tomorrow
[19:24] <Langjan> slaap lekker Kilos
[19:24] <Kilos> dankie oom en jy ook
[19:24] <Langjan> dankie vir al jou geduld en hulp
[19:24] <Kilos> ek bly dit werk
[19:24] <Langjan> ja ek ook
[19:24] <Kilos> altyd n plesier
[19:24] <Langjan> baie
[19:24] <Langjan> mooi loop
[19:24] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[19:24] <Langjan> dankie my vriend
[19:25] <Kilos> anytime


[01:16] <bamnet> How well does linux lend itself to providing email to students?
[02:35] <smackdown> Hello - New to Edubuntu - can anyone tell me if Dans Guardian is a part of it?
[05:12] <smackdown> Hello - New to Ubuntu - can anyone tell me if Dans Guardian is a part of the Edbuntu add on?
[07:12] <HushPe> smackdown: what do you want to know about Dans?
[07:13] <HushPe> TNKLTSP: thanks for your help last night, i've got it all bound up, and made the corresponding tweak so you don't need to login using domain\user
[07:14] <HushPe> i'm trying now to grab the home folder mount point so i can mount their home directories sitting on our server, i'm having a bit of a hard time trying to find details... it's been a while since i've played around with samba - should this be straight forward?
[08:24] <TNKLTSP> HushPe
[08:24] <TNKLTSP> It will not pe straigth forwards... unfortunately
[08:24] <TNKLTSP> (the tweak u said was "winbind use default domain" )
[08:24] <TNKLTSP> look at pam_mount
[08:24] <TNKLTSP> and its config
[08:27] <HushPe> yeah that's the tweak TNKLTSP :)
[08:27] <HushPe> ok, pam_mount was where i was looking, doesn't look as simple as the binding part ;) but no more complex than samba used to be a few years ago, so I should be able to work it through
[08:31] <HushPe> dinner time
[09:23] <juliux> morning
[10:00] <HushPe> are there any pam_mount howtos?  I've been hunting high-and-low and turning up a blank
[12:52] <generalsnus> we have skolelinux here on our school.. version 3.0..its quite old.. firefox 1.0.4 and such.. and it seems impossible to update with the newer stuff.. since i get all kinds of dependecies problems... so i was gonna try edubuntu with xfce desktop.. but is it easy possible to set it up like we have our system now?  1x ldap/samba server  3x thinclient servers.. so that the users authenticate against the ldap server..and
[14:37] <smackdown> HushPe:  I need to know if it's a preconfiged package on the edubuntu add on or if i'll have to continue with a gateway in front of it..
[16:11] <thebishop> hi guys
[16:11] <thebishop> i'm trying to keep my boss' son occupied and he says he likes to write stories
[16:12] <thebishop> is there any software that lets you write captions for pre-set illustrations or something
[22:10] <Lns> thebishop, Not sure if I've heard of anything specifically like what you're asking..have you checked the web? OpenOffice gives you facilities for this (like in presenter) but it might be a bit much for the child to understand..it has tons of clipart though
[22:11] <Lns> i bet there's *something* online as far as a flash site that does this... maybe?
[23:34] <HushPe> i'm trying to get pam_mount working, but have cooked my install, is there a howto around?  I also have some screwy rules which vary by user (students for example are \\server.domain.com\j\jamesbond and staff are \\server.domain.com\teachers\user or \\server.domain.com\office\user (where teachers or office could be it or support or somethingelse)
[23:34] <HushPe> this is against AD, of if i could pull the home folder path out, and use that to auto mount that would be even better :)