[10:24] <chemist109> I took german in high school.  I can talk about pencils and tables, but that's about it.
[10:24] <K-Ryan> fluent in spanish here, but thats it
[10:24] <PhinnFort> ich bin eine kartoffelkndel
[10:24] <BlackBsd> chemist109, do i have to start, aquamarine?
[10:24] <BlackBsd> my language is C
[10:24] <K-Ryan> Okay, sorry to break up the fun but we're going to get yelled at for being offtopic =P
[10:24] <PhinnFort> i know some spanish AND german;)
[10:24] <chemist109> BlackBsd: Nope. just beryl-manager
[10:24] <BlackBsd> :-)
[10:25] <K-Ryan> =P
[10:25] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: beryl-manager is really neat
[10:25] <BlackBsd> what is adept notifier?
[10:25] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: it notifies about package updates
[10:26] <chemist109> BlackBsd: right click the beryl-manager icon and select window decorator > aquamarine
[10:26] <chemist109> BlackBsd: Yeah, I had problems with that popping out of the system tray too.
[10:26] <PhinnFort> chemist109: i think it's because it's supposed to stay hidden from the tray
[10:27] <PhinnFort> chemist109: it worked properly in the latest versions of beryl
[10:27] <PhinnFort> for me anyways, before I switched to compiz
[10:27] <BlackBsd> the icon in my task tray?
[10:27] <chemist109> PhinnFort: I always had it pop up in the upper left corner of the screen.
[10:27] <BlackBsd> i dont have a window decorator > menu
[10:27] <PhinnFort> chemist109: me too, until a couple of beryl versions ago
[10:27] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: right clicky the red diamondy thingy?
[10:28] <BlackBsd> nm i got it.
[10:28] <compilerwriter> phinnFort I am having issues with my sound can you help me debug it?
[10:28] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: maybe;)
[10:28] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: i'm loosing my internet connection in about ~half an hour, so be quick;)
[10:29] <compilerwriter> phinnfort I loaded an audiocd and it showed up on my desktop, but I can't manage to get it to play.
[10:29] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: tried amarok?
[10:29] <compilerwriter> I am trying it now phinnfort
[10:29] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: it could be that your sound card and cd-rom isn't physically connected (there's a specific cable for it), but I'm not sure if it's needed
[10:30] <PhinnFort> Engage -> Play Audio-CD, i think
[10:30] <PhinnFort> (i'm on norwegian locale)
[10:30] <compilerwriter> No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
[10:30] <compilerwriter> audiocd:/Carreras Domingo Pavarotti - 01 - Il lamento di Federico %252F Carreras.wav
[10:30] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: weird...
[10:30] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: try opening "audiocd:/" in konqueror
[10:31] <chemist109> compilerwriter: Do you have more than one optical drive?
[10:31] <compilerwriter> I have two optical drives phinnfort and chemist109
[10:31] <chemist109> compilerwriter: try the other one.
[10:31] <compilerwriter> I have tried both drives chemist109 and phinnfort
[10:32] <K-Ryan> Not getting a response in the effects channel so I'll ask quickly here.
[10:32] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: did you manage to open "audiocd:/" in Konqueror?
[10:32] <compilerwriter> I clicked on it and it said can not read.
[10:32] <K-Ryan> Would a 1.8Ghz processor, 25MB graphics card, 512MB RAM support beryl?
[10:32] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: if you go to "media:/" then?
[10:32] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: depends on the GFX-card, but I believe it should
[10:32] <K-Ryan> ***256MB graphics
[10:32] <K-Ryan> It's a GeForce 6600
[10:33] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: it runs here, same specs, only an ATI Radeon with 128mb vram
[10:33] <K-Ryan> Alright then, should work here.
[10:33] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[10:33] <sredna> the current digikam package crashes when i try to use the 'email images' feature
[10:33] <sredna> a sig 11
[10:33] <PhinnFort> sredna: file a bug
[10:33] <sredna> where?
[10:34] <PhinnFort> bugs.launchpad.net
[10:34] <PhinnFort> and bugs.kde.org
[10:34] <PhinnFort> or just one place
[10:34] <sredna> it is unlikely to be a kde problem
[10:34] <sredna> package incompability
[10:34] <compilerwriter> phinnfort it shows up as scd1 and I can open it.
[10:34] <K-Ryan> alright beryl is working
[10:35] <PhinnFort> sredna: how so?
[10:35] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: :D
[10:35] <K-Ryan> but umm the top bar of all my windows disapeared
[10:35] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: can you try to rip it?
[10:35] <K-Ryan> I can't X out, minimize, or move stuff
[10:35] <K-Ryan> From that top bar anyway
[10:35] <BlackBsd> that adept notifier claimes there are no updates needed, yet it stays on my desktop
[10:35] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: alt+click?
[10:35] <BlackBsd> can i get rid of it
[10:35] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: because of Beryl
[10:36] <K-Ryan> Oooo
[10:36] <K-Ryan> Thanks for that
[10:36] <nomin> are there any developers in here that would be interested in packaging qjoypad?  It's a program that let's you emulate the mouse and keyboard with a joystick.  there is no program in the ubuntu repos that do this and the developer of qjoypad isn't working on it anymore.
[10:36] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: works not just in beryl
[10:36] <K-Ryan> I'm just dragging windows around right now
[10:36] <K-Ryan> This is so cool...
[10:36] <PhinnFort> nomin: better luck in #ubuntu-motu, i believe
[10:36] <PhinnFort> nomin: but if it's abandoned i doubt it
[10:37] <nomin> PhinnFort: I'll ask in there anyway.
[10:37] <PhinnFort> do it;)
[10:37] <nomin> I can't be the only one that uses a gamepad to emulate the mouse
[10:37] <K-Ryan> And the switching things to different desktops
[10:37] <K-Ryan> awesome
[10:37] <compilerwriter> phinnfort k3b is trying to rip it now.
[10:38] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: rather try kaudiocreator, or at least it's my personal preference;)
[10:38] <compilerwriter> phinnfort I don't have it installed at moment.  I will go get it later.
[10:39] <PhinnFort> ok
[10:39] <compilerwriter> phinnfort actually I do have it.
[10:39] <compilerwriter> will give it a shot now.
[10:39] <PhinnFort> i have set it to automatically rip any audio cd's i insert
[10:39] <PhinnFort> really nifty
[10:40] <compilerwriter> phinnfort it gave me some crap about no encoder selected.
[10:40] <compilerwriter> afk for a few seconds
[10:40] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: hit alt+f2, kcontrol
[10:41] <K-Ryan> Okay so how do I change the beryl theme?
[10:41] <K-Ryan> I'm in theme settings but I see no "apply" button when I pick something new
[10:41] <Daisuke_Ido> K-Ryan: you using emerald or aquamarine?
[10:41] <K-Ryan> emerald
[10:42] <Daisuke_Ido> just click on it and it should change
[10:42] <compilerwriter> did that phinnfort what next
[10:42] <TheDebugger> Anyone is able to get album arts on song transfered from amarok to an ipod?
[10:42] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: use the beryl theme manager
[10:42] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: i believe it's under "Settings" in the K-Menu
[10:42] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: sound & multimedia
[10:42] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: audio cd's, i believe
[10:42] <K-Ryan> Lemme try that because clicking stuff in this isn't doin' it
[10:43] <compilerwriter> mad it that far phinnfort
[10:43] <Daisuke_Ido> PhinnFort: "emerald theme manager" and it is under settings
[10:43] <PhinnFort> yeah, whatever;)
[10:43] <compilerwriter> made it hat far I mean phinnfort
[10:43] <K-Ryan> err, that's what I was in
[10:43] <Daisuke_Ido> K-Ryan: and things weren't changing as you clicked on themes?
[10:43] <K-Ryan> nope
[10:43] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: what is the cdrom device?
[10:43] <compilerwriter> I just ticked /dev/cdrom
[10:44] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure you're using emerald (under choose window decorator in beryl-manager)
[10:44] <BlackBsd> any windows users here.
[10:44] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: try ##windows
[10:44] <K-Ryan> Unfortunately, yes =)
[10:44] <aldin> how could i check k/ubuntu CD for defects from KDE/GNOME (withoud rebooting)
[10:44] <K-Ryan> PhinnFort his question might be related to both
[10:44] <Daisuke_Ido> BlackBsd: are you satan?  or did he just send you? :P
[10:44] <compilerwriter> Phinnfort I just ticked /dev/cdrom
[10:44] <K-Ryan> Just ya' know
[10:44] <K-Ryan> Oh come on guys
[10:44] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: does it work now?
[10:44] <K-Ryan> He's obviously trying to get away from it
[10:45] <Daisuke_Ido> true
[10:45] <Daisuke_Ido> probably
[10:45] <BlackBsd> no, i was just going to complain about it breifly.
[10:45] <K-Ryan> Windows manager is beryl
[10:45] <K-Ryan> Join the club
[10:45] <K-Ryan> We've got jackets =)
[10:45] <BlackBsd> like window focus follows the mouse,  this just isnt available in windows
[10:45] <compilerwriter> phinnfort says no audio cd detected.
[10:46] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: can you paste the output of "dmesg | tail" into #flood?
[10:46] <K-Ryan> You know there's...
[10:46] <K-Ryan> !pastebin
[10:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:46] <compilerwriter> phinnfort let me try again I forgot to apply changes.
[10:46] <BlackBsd> i havent used it in years, and i was exposed to vista today...   and shit, without the focus follows mouse feature, i dont see how vista is useable.
[10:46] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: but it's easier for shorter pastes
[10:46] <K-Ryan> I suppose
[10:46] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: you poor thing;)
[10:46] <compilerwriter> phinnfort will be pasting in a second
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> BlackBsd: i'm so sorrt
[10:47] <BlackBsd> actually, i can see why windows ppl get artheritis now
[10:47] <PhinnFort> noone should be exposed to vista for more that a couple of hours at a time
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, too
[10:47] <PhinnFort> BlackBsd: lol
[10:47] <BlackBsd> so many right click milage
[10:47] <K-Ryan> I know why I'm going to have arthritis
[10:47] <K-Ryan> Ever been to www.clickclickclick.com ?
[10:47] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: yeah, and we have kmouse
[10:47] <PhinnFort> :D
[10:47] <PhinnFort> !info kmouse
[10:47] <ubotu> Package kmouse does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:47] <K-Ryan> Let's just say the US had a good 10k clicks from me during one of the rounds...
[10:48] <PhinnFort> or something
[10:48] <K-Ryan> PhinnFort it detects repeted clicks if the timing is the same
[10:48] <PhinnFort> !info kmousetool
[10:48] <K-Ryan> My friend tried it
[10:48] <compilerwriter> just pated it phinnfort
[10:48] <PhinnFort> well, add some randomization
[10:48] <ubotu> kmousetool: KDE mouse manipulation tool for the disabled. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 70 kB, installed size 348 kB
[10:48] <K-Ryan> Yeah yeah, but I don't wanna get caught.
[10:48] <BlackBsd> k-ryan, rofl, that site is funny
[10:48] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: are you sure there's a cdrom in the drive?
[10:48] <K-Ryan> Someone added 50 million clicks for Denmark...
[10:48] <PhinnFort> lol
[10:48] <K-Ryan> Took about a day, but they got caught
[10:48] <BlackBsd> and the US is 21st...
[10:48] <K-Ryan> There are different rounds
[10:48] <PhinnFort> hehe, we're 13th
[10:48] <PhinnFort> norway
[10:49] <K-Ryan> The one I played we were constantly 3rd and 2nd eventually
[10:49] <BlackBsd> ppl have lots of time on their hands
[10:49] <BlackBsd> how bout scripting it ot click there??
[10:49] <K-Ryan> I spent about an hour just doing that one night
[10:49] <PhinnFort> or scripting it to submit
[10:49] <K-Ryan> It was 12:30-1:30 and I was bored
[10:49] <K-Ryan> My friend was over too
[10:49] <K-Ryan> So him, my brother, and me all did that
[10:49] <compilerwriter> phinnfort I was sure there was one in the drive, but I guess k3b kicked the drive open
[10:49] <K-Ryan> Anyways...
[10:50] <compilerwriter> lol
[10:50] <PhinnFort> "Please note: This site is not suitable for using scripts. If you use scripts then
you will be banned, and your country's results may be subject to penalty.
Play fair and have fun!"
[10:50] <BlackBsd> http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070506/481/8987ce214cae465496bd081c74692131   ewww,  NSFW
[10:50] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: ;)
[10:50] <BlackBsd> i feel sick
[10:50] <BlackBsd> some of thoes butts are saggin to the floor
[10:50] <compilerwriter> phinnfort btw k3b says it successfully ripped the cd.  Should I not be able to just play the damned things though?
[10:51] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: try playing it again?
[10:51] <hyper_ch> what's the best way to run a manual fsck on the /-partition?
[10:51] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: a livecd
[10:51] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: i'm not sure if the initrd contains enough to run it
[10:52] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: then I'm downloading the livecd now
[10:52] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: but you could try to pass "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel
[10:52] <compilerwriter> phinnfort amorak still can't play it.
[10:52] <PhinnFort> :(
[10:52] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: you know, I just re-setup my computer yesterday - so I formated the /-partition... but upon first boot it made a check and fsck died with some errors or something
[10:53] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: doesn't sound good
[10:53] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: didn't it drop you to a root shell?
[10:53] <PhinnFort> it should do that, afaik
[10:53] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: well, everhing seems to run fine
[10:53] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: nope, it rebooted
[10:54] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: well, then it probably fixed it
[10:54] <compilerwriter> well thanks for trying phinnfort
[10:54] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: just wanna run it manually to check :)
[10:54] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: I just rip my music
[10:54] <hyper_ch> compilerwriter: what do you try to do?
[10:54] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: well, a livecd is the easiest
[10:55] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: will do so
[10:55] <hyper_ch> 30% downloaded :)
[10:55] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:56] <tdn> Does anyone use LUKS for encrypted disks/swap? I get this error when trying to do a luksFormat: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P525.html
[10:56] <Graham> Hey guys, what's the kubuntu-desktop package and what does it do? I'm wanting to remove KPPP and KNetworkManager because I don't use them and it want sot remove that too.
[10:57] <hyper_ch> tdn: I use dm-crypt/LUKS partitions
[10:57] <Sanne> Graham: it's just a metapackage
[10:57] <PhinnFort> Graham: it just makes sure you have all the default KDE packages
[10:57] <PhinnFort> */Kubuntu
[10:57] <PhinnFort> Graham: just delete it until next distro upgrade (to gutsy)
[10:57] <PhinnFort> !gutsy
[10:57] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[10:57] <Sanne> Graham: it means it depends on a lot of stuff that gets installed automatically, but contains no programm itself
[10:57] <K-Ryan> Gutsy Gibbon?
[10:58] <Sanne> Graham: install it again when you upgrade
[10:58] <hyper_ch> tdn: no clue... for me it runs just fine
[10:58] <K-Ryan> These names are getting stranger and stranger...
[10:58] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:58] <PhinnFort> http://www.impendingdoom.com/
[10:58] <tdn> hyper_ch, ok :(
[10:59] <PhinnFort> hyper_ch: maybe a tad bit early?;)
[10:59] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: been using feisty since herd3... I liked the daily updates :)
[10:59] <PhinnFort> well, I kind of miss them too
[10:59] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: that just made me feel it is being worked on :)
[10:59] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:59] <PhinnFort> but my desktop is so well-working now, so I don't feel like breaking anything;)
[10:59] <hyper_ch> except for the one kernel update that rendered my wifi unusable :)
[11:00] <PhinnFort> lol
[11:00] <hyper_ch> PhinnFort: well, making a bug report (wasn't the only one) and less than 24h later it was fixed
[11:00] <LordAnakin> Good night!
[11:01] <K-Ryan> G'night LordAnakin
[11:01] <hyper_ch> I think the the problem was from 2.6.20-11 to -12
[11:01] <hyper_ch> good night LordAnakin
[11:04] <hyper_ch> every week I discover a new cool app :) last week it was htop... this week it is apt-file :)
[11:04] <Karti> Hi again, is there a way to view disk sizes using the GUI, as in My Computer in Windows?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> Karti: qtparted
[11:05] <hyper_ch> Karti: but I prefer "df -l"
[11:06] <frojnd> hello there
[11:06] <hyper_ch> hansen: what kind of support?
[11:07] <hansen> I ran the upgrade wizard, but it crashed half way through
[11:07] <hyper_ch> !backport
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <hyper_ch> hansen: and now?
[11:07] <hansen> after that I ran dpkg --configure -a
[11:07] <hansen> and then adept_manager a few times more
[11:07] <navid> Hey
[11:07] <Karti> hyper_ch: df -l is perfect - cheers
[11:07] <frojnd> how can I change resolution to 1240*1024 cause there is no that kinda option in my xorg.conf even though that resolution is recommended to my monitor...
[11:08] <hansen> and it seems that the system is upgraded to feisty
[11:08] <hansen> but I didn't dare to reboot yet
[11:08] <hyper_ch> Karti: qtparted would be the partitioner for qt and also display sizes... but I think it's overkill to check the sizes :)
[11:08] <Sanne> Karti: also try df -h
[11:08] <freshmeat> Guys -- I installed KDE a while ago on Gnome, but want it removed now.
[11:08] <freshmeat> How would this be possible?
[11:08] <hansen> any idea what the upgrade wizard is doing in the "clean up" step?
[11:08] <hansen> because it surely didn't get to that part
[11:09] <hansen> any way to run that step manually?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> hansen: it deletes stuff that was added during the install... that's normal
[11:09] <hyper_ch> hansen: do you have ubuntu on a cd for re-install?
[11:09] <hyper_ch> freshmeat: how did you install it?
[11:09] <hansen> I have an edgy CD, but didn't care to make a feisty one
[11:09] <frojnd> I wanna have resolution: 1280 x 1024  how can I do that in xorg ?'
[11:10] <hyper_ch> hansen: well, in case the pc won't come up again you can re-install :) that's why I asked :)
[11:10] <freshmeat> hyper_ch: I downloaded it from konsole.
[11:10] <intelikey> freshmeat check /var/log/dpkg.log and find the list of packages that installed with kde
[11:10] <hansen> I'm backing up /home now before rebooting, and if it's dead I can burn a CD on my laptop
[11:10] <hyper_ch> hansen: or you could download the feisty cd just to be sure :)
[11:10] <hyper_ch> hansen: you don't have /home on a seperate partition?
[11:10] <Karti> Sanne: -f is better as it simplifies it more - cheers
[11:11] <hansen> hyper_ch: no, not anymore -- I have a backup HD instead that I just tar stuff to
[11:11] <Sanne> Karti: cool
[11:11] <hyper_ch> hansen: why tar?
[11:11] <hansen> because it does incremental backups. better backup software would be welcome of course
[11:11] <intelikey> freshmeat depending on your setup.  subdir maybe.
[11:12] <hyper_ch> hansen
[11:12] <intelikey> hyper_ch can't hardlink accross fs's tho
[11:12] <hansen> anyway, I just want to know if there is leftover stuff from the upgrade filling up my hd because I didn't get thru the clean up step
[11:12] <frojnd> I wanna have resolution: 1280 x 1024  how can I do that in xorg ?'
[11:12] <hyper_ch> hansen: you can have a look at my backup script :) fairly simply but (I think) effectiv
[11:13] <hyper_ch> hansen: dunno about that clean up step.. I only upgraded one machine from edgy to feisty and that worked out-of-the-box
[11:13] <dwidmann> frojnd: you can do that by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", make sure to select 1280x1024 when you're at that part
[11:14] <hansen> it still puzzles me why the upgrade failed to horribly. I upgraded my wife's laptop without any problems at all. Only major diff is that her laptop is x86 and my desktop is x86_64
[11:14] <frojnd> dwidmann: any other option, cause when I do that my keybord gets all messed up, I tryed that a few times but I don't wanna to do it again..
[11:15] <dwidmann> frojnd: well, yes and no at the same time
[11:15] <frojnd> gimme yes dwidmann
[11:15] <hyper_ch> hmm, is truecrypt in automatix?
[11:15] <LjL> !automatix
[11:15] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:16] <intelikey> >>> modprobe: WARNING: Error inserting genrtc (/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko): Device or resource busy
[11:16] <dwidmann> frojnd: you can back up your xorg.conf, run that, and then modify your backup to be like the new with regards to the resolution and leaving everything else alone
[11:16] <dwidmann> frojnd: then of course, restore the modified backup
[11:16] <dwidmann> (full path to the file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[11:16] <intelikey> why would "ntpdate pool.ntp.org"   cause that ^ ?
[11:16] <hyper_ch> LjL: do you know the answer?
[11:16] <frojnd> dwidmann: even if I leve everythih else alone, my keybord won't recognize ...
[11:17] <frojnd> live*
[11:17] <enotee> whats the best app to synch a palm treo 650
[11:17] <LjL> hyper_ch: no, and if i knew i wouldn't tell you. there is an automatix channel if you still want to use it despite sanity. there are encryption programs available in the repos.
[11:17] <hyper_ch> enotee: tried kpilot?
[11:17] <intelikey> i checked  /usr/sbin/ntpdate   it's ELF 32-bit LSB executable   so it shouldn't be calling modprobe i wouldn't think.
[11:18] <intelikey> anyone ?
[11:18] <hyper_ch> LjL: have I said I want to use it? I just wondered whether it's in automatix... because someone had it in some repos and I just wondered what those might be as I have quite a few...
[11:18] <kiwi__> does anyone know how to configure kmail for hotmail
[11:18] <kiwi__> ??
[11:18] <hansen> intelikey: genrtc.ko sounds like "Real Time Clock" to me
[11:19] <intelikey> hansen yes  but why is modprobe being called ?
[11:19] <hansen> intelikey: strace -f ntpdate ...
[11:19] <intelikey> Package udev is not installed
[11:20] <hyper_ch> has k3b problems in feisty?
[11:20] <LjL> hyper_ch: don't know about any repository, but a .deb for Ubuntu is available straight from their site
[11:20] <hyper_ch> LjL: thx
[11:20] <K-Ryan> Hey guys my panel thing isn't working.
[11:20] <K-Ryan> Let me explain...
[11:21] <hyper_ch> hmmm, k3b is pressing my computer very hard and a lot of disk access is performed but I don't see any progress bar so the like
[11:21] <K-Ryan> I've got Beryl running and if I scroll over stuff, it shows the preview like normal. But if I click on the name of the window, the window doesn't pop up.
[11:21] <intelikey> hansen  what am i looking for?   no mention of modprobe in there
[11:22] <K-Ryan> Did I mess something up with Beryl?
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> kiwi__: might want to check the documentation for kmail
[11:23] <hansen> intelikey: does it open any funny devices?
[11:23] <intelikey> no not really
[11:26] <intelikey> no devices at all
[11:26] <intelikey> only a few config files and lib or three
[11:26] <hansen> intelikey: my system doesn't have that genrtc module loaded, even after running ntpdate
[11:27] <intelikey> module name is   rtc
[11:27] <hansen> lsmod|grep rtc says nothing
[11:28] <intelikey> so why does this system load it ?    and that's the command being called,  i dubble checked.    "ntpdate pool.ntp.org"
[11:29] <intelikey> try    "hwclock --systohc "   si if it loads it ?
[11:30] <Lars_G> Question, is kde 4 svn daily pull somehow easier to compile on Feisty? I mean, are the qt4 libraries and dev files for example kde 4 ready? so that I don't suffer as much making a compiling setup?
[11:31] <onlineapps> hey, anyone know if kde desktop sharing can create a java server like winvnc
[11:31] <intelikey> that's it   got it.    there was a function defined that called a   hwclock command if the update was successful....    ok sorry to trubble you.
[11:31] <Lars_G> the server is still afaik a simple vnc server onlineapps
[11:31] <intelikey> hansen ^   ty.
[11:32] <Lars_G> what the other "creates" is an http server with an html file inside with the Java VNC client embedded in it.
[11:32] <onlineapps> Lars_G: problem is, not all the computers I use to connect to my desktop have a vnc client
[11:32] <onlineapps> Lars_G: how do I do that?
[11:32] <Lars_G> which should not be TOO hard to make with kde's Personal File Server
[11:32] <Lars_G> Basically you need to find the APPLET java client, it might/should come with a html example on how to embed it in a page.
[11:33] <onlineapps> APPLET client for what?
[11:33] <Lars_G> you could then for example create a kde PFS, copy the html and .jar files there in a dir, and use it from there
[11:33] <Lars_G> VNC
[11:33] <onlineapps> ok
[11:33] <hansen> intelikey: hwclock works and did not cause any rtc module to be loaded
[11:33] <Lars_G> Ok I gtg now. sigh, see you all latter
[11:33] <K-Ryan> See ya'
[11:36] <intelikey> hansen it does on this system.    that's what was doing it.    i  modprobe -r rtc ;whclock --systohw    and bang. there's the error message again.
[11:37] <hansen> strange
[11:37] <intelikey> s/;wh/;hw/
[11:37] <hansen> what kind of system is it?
[11:38] <intelikey> the module gets inserted ok but it errors trying the other module first  "genrtc"
[11:38] <intelikey> kind ?    hw specs ?   or sw ?
[11:38] <hansen> mine is "2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Tue Mar 13 22:06:20 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux" -- until a few minutes when it hopefully is able to reboot into feisty :)
[11:38] <chemist109> intelikey: can you blacklist genrtc?
[11:38] <hansen> I was thinking hw -- maybe you have some funny rtc device?
[11:39] <intelikey> chemist109 could. but easier to add rtc to the /etc/modules and be done with it.
[11:39] <intelikey> hansen yeah.   box is 12 years old.
[11:39] <chemist109> intelikey: Yes, but will it still try to insert genrtc first?
[11:40] <intelikey> chemist109 no.
[11:41] <stealthy> Alrighty, is it possible to share files over cat5 cable with a windows desktop?
[11:41] <stealthy> I did it with my desk/lap with both windows, but not sure how to go about it with one on linux
[11:41] <intelikey> hansen we were also comparing apples and bananas there.  you are running 64 bit
[11:42] <hansen> right
[11:42] <intelikey> !samba
[11:42] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:42] <PhinnFort> stealthy: crossover cable?
[11:43] <stealthy> pretty much
[11:43] <manta> http://youtube.com/watch?v=IHsGlV2k3aM
[11:43] <PhinnFort> stealthy: tried "File Sharing"?
[11:43] <PhinnFort> :P
[11:43] <manta> http://youtube.com/watch?v=IHsGlV2k3aM
[11:43] <intelikey> manta don't do that.
[11:43] <stealthy> PhinnFort, uhm... where is it on this?
[11:44] <stealthy> I know wher eon windows
[11:44] <PhinnFort> stealthy: System Settings -> File Sharing
[11:44] <stealthy> SMB and NFS? samba an dnetwork file system?
[11:45] <PhinnFort> samba would work with Windows, yes
[11:45] <K-Ryan> PhinnFort, not that I want to get rid of you, but didn't you have to leave in a half hour about an hour ago? =P
[11:45] <ijacek> !cz
[11:45] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[11:45] <PhinnFort> K-Ryan: I managed to evade the school-wide disconnect;)
[11:45] <K-Ryan> Nice =P
[11:46] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:46] <sayers> The Docking Tray is really long , can I make it auto-shorten its self some how
[11:46] <PhinnFort> sayers: you mean kicker?
[11:46] <intelikey> sayers suto hide some of it's apps
[11:46] <PhinnFort> right click on it, and customize
[11:47] <intelikey> PhinnFort i think he's talking about systray in kicker
[11:47] <intelikey> same answer    right click
[11:47] <sayers> intelikey: Suo
[11:47] <PhinnFort> sayers: you can make the whole kicker bigger/higher, so they go double up
[11:48] <sayers> suto*?
[11:48] <sayers> PhinnFort, Over where the time is...
[11:48] <sayers> PhinnFort: Made it bigger and that worked
[11:48] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:49] <intelikey> sayers  you can also set it to hide select apps   "like windows does"
[11:49] <ijacek> why add this channel to gaim ? :)
[11:49] <PhinnFort> intelikey: but why hide them?
[11:49] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:49] <wayl> en espaol alguien
[11:49] <PhinnFort> !es | wayl
[11:49] <ubotu> wayl: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:49] <intelikey> PhinnFort why have a systray at all is my answer
[11:50] <PhinnFort> ;)
[11:50] <PhinnFort> intelikey: for easy and combined access to my life
[11:50] <PhinnFort> rss-feeds, mails, konversation, msn/kopete, etc.
[11:50] <wayl> como entro a ese #ubuntu-es soy nuevo en irc
[11:50] <sayers> intelikey: If I tell it to hide I loose the whole bar...
[11:51] <intelikey> not easer to go all the way to that point than just clicking the desktop and sellecting what you want....    "blackbox thinking..."
[11:51] <PhinnFort> wayl: click on the blue text
[11:51] <wayl> ya de di
[11:52] <PhinnFort> intelikey: well, I don't want to click just to see if someone mentioned me on irc, if amarok is playing, if I got mail, if i got news, etc.
[11:53] <PhinnFort> systray is good, imho;)
[11:53] <sayers> It is the way of being able to do everything while seeing nothing
[11:53] <wayl> ok ... thanks
[11:54] <PhinnFort> sayers: configure systray, not kicker
[11:54] <intelikey> PhinnFort well.  i don't want part of my screen cluttered with "what i consider" useless junk, either.    but that's why it's linux.    it's all about choices.     default is only the first step on the long road to "right"    for each individual
[11:54] <PhinnFort> intelikey: agreed;)
[11:54] <sayers> PhinnFort: where?
[11:54] <PhinnFort> sayers: I don't know how you
[11:55] <PhinnFort> 've set it up, but I hover my mouse over, and a handle appears that I click, and select Configure Systray
[11:55] <intelikey> now if i used kicker    i would probably use systray too
[11:56] <intelikey> :)
[11:56] <PhinnFort> will be much (ab)used in the future
[11:56] <compilerwriter> phinnfort you have any more ideas on my sound issue?
[11:57] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: did you manage to play the ripped songs with amarok?
[11:57] <compilerwriter> no phinnfort I did not.
[11:57] <intelikey> compilerwriter is it the same issue you have been having ?    /me thinks back about a month
[11:58] <tdn> How do I get the restricted ATI drivers to work in Kubuntu Feisty? I heard that it should be easy to do now....
[11:58] <PhinnFort> tdn: in Ubuntu, not sure if it's as easy in KUbuntu
[11:58] <compilerwriter> I don't know intelikey if it is or not.  I have managed to get sound working since then. but now it is gone again.
[11:59] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm sounds like the same.   what did you do to get it to work ?
[11:59] <PhinnFort> !find kscd
[11:59] <ubotu> Found: kscd
[11:59] <PhinnFort> !info kscd
[11:59] <ubotu> kscd: audio CD player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 417 kB, installed size 900 kB
[11:59] <intelikey> have you looked into redoing that ?
[11:59] <compilerwriter> I have no clue what finally got it working intelikey?  It just did.
[11:59] <intelikey> oh....
[12:00] <PhinnFort> compilerwriter: can you play any kind of sound?
[12:00] <tdn> PhinnFort, hmm... Why should it not be easy in KDE too?
[12:00] <compilerwriter> I have no sound whatever phinnfort
[12:01] <PhinnFort> tdn: because they have to write separate tools to handle it
[12:01] <sayers> PhinnFort: it says configure panel
[12:01] <PhinnFort> sayers: don't right click
[12:01] <PhinnFort> sayers: do you have a handle left of the systray?
[12:02] <sayers> ah I see that
[12:02] <intelikey> compilerwriter care to pastebin   "" lshw ;cat /proc/asound/cards  ;ls -l /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*  ""     i'll see if i notice anything.
[12:04] <ijacek> -msg
[12:05] <ijacek> !help
[12:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:05] <intelikey> jackie what do ya need
[12:06] <K-Ryan> !botsnack
[12:06] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:07] <K-Ryan> That's new
[12:07] <K-Ryan> What's APT?
[12:07] <intelikey> !apt
[12:07] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:07] <intelikey> :)
[12:07] <compilerwriter> intelikey http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19698/
[12:07] <intelikey> k looking
[12:07] <K-Ryan> Err, right
[12:07] <K-Ryan> Alright well I think I'm headed to Windows for now.
[12:08] <K-Ryan> Deus Ex Game of The Year Edition is calling my name
[12:08] <K-Ryan> See ya' guys
[12:10] <compilerwriter> If I wanted to just backup and do a fresh install I would just back up my home directory and go from there would I not?
[12:10] <intelikey> compilerwriter   groups | grep audio
[12:10] <compilerwriter> intelikey keith adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[12:11] <intelikey> compilerwriter correct.   about the backup.      but if you have setup any special configs in /etc you might want to save a copy to your home first
[12:11] <Graham> Especially config for hardware that's a bitch to setup.
[12:11] <compilerwriter> I have xdmcp set up, but that could be fairly easily redone, and I can't remember which files I need to mess with anyway.
[12:12] <compilerwriter> Something with the xorg configs I believe.
[12:12] <intelikey> compilerwriter can you hear anything if you   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp    (should be white noise)    use ^c   [crtl] +C   to  kill that
[12:13] <compilerwriter> no such file or directory intelikey
[12:13] <intelikey> which ?


[10:26] <rmg51> Morning
[13:27] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, hamsters and everything else
[18:42] <lazyPower> aww yea, we now have a first presence in the kubes repository
[18:42] <lazyPower> https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/getting-started-guides/README.md <- this is a beautiful thing


[07:18] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: so i installed unity8-desktop-session-mir like you said, and now i get only a text console
[07:33] <nhaines> Hm, that's unfortuante.
[07:35] <DonkeyHotei> and i can't get unity7 to run anymore either
[07:35] <DonkeyHotei> where are mir's logs?
[07:36] <nhaines> No idea--I don't run Mir.
[07:36] <nhaines> But you should get lightdm running and then you just choose a different session.
[07:36] <nhaines> Alternativel, removing unity8-desktop-session-mir...
[07:37] <DonkeyHotei> lightdm doesn't run anymore
[07:37] <DonkeyHotei> nor does plymouth
[07:39] <nhaines> I haven't looked into it since March, but I've never had that happen before.
[07:40] <nhaines> I'd remove any proprietary graphics drivers, and if that doesn't work, remove the package.
[07:40] <DonkeyHotei> removing the pkg does not remove mir
[07:41] <DonkeyHotei> nor does it remove unity8
[07:41] <DonkeyHotei> graphics are intel
[07:46] <nhaines> Purging the package shuold remove all first-level dependencies.
[07:47] <DonkeyHotei> doesn't
[07:52] <nhaines> I don't have any further advice.  Any open source driver should work, but I haven't used it in production.
[08:16] <DonkeyHotei> gah, i'm dumb
[08:16] <DonkeyHotei> grabbed ubuntu-touch-session along with it
[08:16] <DonkeyHotei> removed that and it boots
[08:17] <DonkeyHotei> into lightdm anyway
[08:17] <DonkeyHotei> the mir session just gets a black screen
[08:37] <nhaines> Well that's a happy improvement, at least.
[13:45] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[14:08] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[16:22] <pleia2> morning
[16:23]  * ianorlin decided on letting phillw do UOS because I don't want to start talking at 7am and wake my dad up grumpy on mike
[16:25] <pleia2> hehe
[19:54] <Roguehorse> Killed my Twitter account yesterday - I feel liberated : )
[20:00] <blitz> I never really understood twitter
[22:53] <Roguehorse> I understand Twitter, but never really got into it - at one time I had accounts with ALL the major social platforms and now I've weeded down to just G+
[22:55] <Roguehorse> I think I have already spread all my "feelers" out three and tested the waters time to reduce the mess to a smaller more manageable circle
[23:03] <Roguehorse> Has everyone gotten their new openSSL packages installed?
[23:15] <akk> I think so, but wondering if I need to change a bunch of passwords now.
[23:15] <akk> As I understand it, the danger is mostly from attackers on the same net (or a net between you and the server)
[23:16] <akk> so on sites where you use SSL from open networks, there's a danger, but sites you only access from home, maybe not?
[23:18] <ianorlin> unless someone has your wifi password
[23:24] <akk> I'm not too worried about that.


[04:02] <condor9> hello... question about ubuntu 7.10 on a thinkpad, can anyone help?
[11:55] <Crys_> hello
[11:56] <Crys_> I'm having trouble with the hotkeys and fn keys of my Asus Laptop on 7.10
[11:57] <Crys_> dmi code is: ASUSTEK L5C 1.0
[11:57] <Crys_> The hotkeys and functions keys are emitting ACPI events but I don't see keyboard events
[12:05] <MagicFab> There are quite a number of bugs for different models in LP: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=asustek&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_n
[12:05] <MagicFab> o_package=
[12:06] <MagicFab> Is L5C the laptop model ?
[12:07] <MagicFab> I see it is. Can't find anything specific to it, however looking at other asustek + keyboard bugs may hint you to  asolution
[12:09] <Crys_> thx
[12:09] <Crys_>  /etc/acpi/events/asus-volume-up says event=hotkey ATKD 00000030
[12:10] <Crys_> however the acpid log says received event "hotkey HOTK 00000030 00000003"
[12:14] <Crys_> aah :)
[12:14] <Crys_> gotcha
[12:17] <Crys_> my laptop emits HOTK instead of ATKD events
[12:18] <Crys_> I'Ve replaced some strings, restared acpid and it works


[04:40] <usr1987> Hi everyone.  How can I fully remove xubuntu from withing ubuntu desktop
[14:57] <Ilotoxy> Hey everyone, when I switch off my monitor and turn it back on again, it sets the resolution to 1920x1080 but I want it to be 1366x768 so I have to switch it in the display manager everytime. Is there a way to save the resolution?
[14:58] <diogenes_> Ilotoxy, no clue about that one but you could make a script that runs at startup or a shortcut with this command: xrandr --size 1366x768
[15:00] <Ilotoxy> diogenes_ thanks, well, my pc is running 24/7, I only switch of my monitors with a adapter switch, so I guess that won't work. I just have my third monitor with the 1366x768 resolution
[20:07] <PileOfDirt> so if you used a different os how would you get driver support for random hardware?
[20:10] <PileOfDirt> lol wrong channel
[20:28] <gnrp> PileOfDirt: When "a different os" is windows, yes, very likely ;)
[20:28] <PileOfDirt> i have some friends that want to make their own os because reasons
[21:03] <gnrp> ah, ok
[22:32] <PileOfDirt> I told my friend to use reactos lol
[22:57] <xubuntu41w> Hello, by mistake some days before I deleted some of my folder (e.g. Bilder, Musik). Fortunately I had have a backup.
[22:58] <xubuntu41w> But now I miss the default folders in Thunar.
[22:58] <xubuntu41w> How can I re-initialize those default folders in Thunar, I use XUbuntu 18.10 (Xfce)
[23:05] <xubuntu41w> Usually there is a small icon for each folder, e.g. a house for home folder, a desktop for desktop folder, a melody sign for Music folder and so on. Those small icons I miss. An icon tells more than words.


[19:57] <barry> thomi: howdy!
[19:57] <thomi> hey barry
[19:59] <barry> thomi: so the good news is that all the zope stuff has cleared -proposed now.  the last package to port is gunicorn.  hope that's still something you want
[19:59] <thomi> yes please!
[19:59] <thomi> I think my version is somewhat hacky, but it's an apprach we've used in other packages before
[19:59] <thomi> barry: if you change it to no longer have the 'gunicorn3' command then I'll need to update some charms is all
[20:00] <barry> thomi: i'm going to refer to it, but probably redo it.  it's not team maintained so we either have to carry deltas in ubuntu (undesirable for the long-term) or make sure the debian maintainer is happy with the changes (my planned approach).  yep, i'm still planning on keeping the gunicorn3 command
[20:01] <thomi> awesome
[20:01] <barry> thomi: just to verify - that's the last blocker for you guys, right?
[20:02] <thomi> barry: well, it's not a blocker since we deploy with a PPA, 'less-than-desirable' would be a better description
[20:02] <thomi> we mainly want to make sure the packages aren't doing something really bad, since we're now deploying a production service with these hacks in place
[20:03] <barry> thomi: cool.  you should basically be able to grab all the utopic packages for everything else now
[20:03] <barry> and sorry it took so long.  zope.* is a *complicated* stack (especially throwing in the ubuntu-only packages)
[20:04] <thomi> no worries
[20:05] <thomi> it seems like we've (well, you did all the work) substantially improved the ability of web devs to use the distro packages
[20:05] <thomi> rather than have to rely on pypi
[20:05] <thomi> which can only be a good thing
[20:06] <barry> that's the idea :)
[20:06] <barry> thanks for sticking w/ py3
[20:07] <thomi> barry: now cgoldberg is doing another similar project with the Ci team and is hitting similar problems :-/
[20:07] <barry> thomi: different packages?
[20:07] <thomi> yeah
[20:08]  * barry looks for a rock with sufficient crawl space
[20:08] <thomi> swiftclient and ampqlib are the two we know about right now
[20:08] <thomi> I was going to look at them yesterday, but had to take the day off sick
[20:08]  * thomi looks into swiftclient now
[20:09]  * barry nods
[20:10] <thomi> ugh.
[20:10] <barry> that bad?
[20:10] <thomi> swiftclient tests don't run, I think because the utopic tox command has changed the way it parses it's config files
[20:10] <thomi> tox.ConfigError: ConfigError: substitution key 'posargs' not found
[20:12] <thomi> looks like swiftclient will also need the following ported to py3: eventlet, keystoneclient
[20:13] <thomi> hmmm, but eventlet appears to be py2 only
[20:16] <barry> thomi: https://bitbucket.org/eventlet/eventlet/commits/65845073a4eb759ae1cf3c62ec7e953a54548de5
[20:16] <thomi> actually, it seems that Dependency is innacurate
[20:16] <thomi> swiftclient depends on eventlet but never imports it
[20:17] <thomi> and the changelog has an entry about removing it
[20:17] <thomi> I guess the DPM never caught up with that
[20:17] <thomi> so... "good news everyone"
[20:17] <barry> \o/


[04:02] <teward> just a thought but I think the ordering of resolutions on the display settings for 20.04 is a little wonky.  Might want to address it for .1 spinups, but it's all over the place 'random' in ordering (within a VM, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, etc. all have a sane ordering but not Ubuntu)


[12:24] <mapreri> are NBS binaries removed regularly/automatically from the archive?   /cc cjwatson
[12:30] <cjwatson> mapreri: semi-automatically - i.e. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html reports on them, we process the ones that don't have reverse-deps pretty frequently
[12:30] <cjwatson> mapreri: but the ones that have reverse-deps there need manual attention
[12:30] <cjwatson> mapreri: some of those may be false positives (recommends or alternatives-where-first-is-still-available), which are hard to deal with automatically
[12:32] <mapreri> cjwatson: i was looking because i removed pbuilder-uml yesterday, but I don't see it in the list (and britney complains about it).  does it have to be in the release pocket?
[12:32] <mapreri> (which kinda defeats the purpose of that britney check, maybe)
[12:33] <cjwatson> mapreri: yes.  there's a corner case in what you're thinking of, it's only a problem if a package goes through multiple versions in -proposed without migrating and one of the non-final versions has NBS binaries
[12:33] <cjwatson> that has no automatic report but every so often I go through excuses and work out what to remove ...
[12:34] <mapreri> well, this one hit proposed yesterday for the first time, before there was nothing in proposed.
[12:34] <cjwatson> though in this case ... yeah, not sure what's up there
[12:34] <cjwatson> probably an extra-weird corner case to do with arch: all vs. any
[12:35] <cjwatson> the whole business of -proposed being a partial suite makes things complicated in britney
[12:35] <mapreri> arch:all is so funny
[12:36] <cjwatson> mapreri: removed, anyway
[12:36] <mapreri> cool
[12:38] <mapreri> cjwatson: + do you confirm that what's keeping libpodofo out of release is the need of a transition for it?  update_excuse is silent, but i learn out to read update_output...
[12:38] <mapreri> learnt*
[12:39] <mapreri> even if it seems to write stuff (and behave, maybe?) a bit differently than debian's britney
[12:41] <mapreri> seems like usrmerge might need some poking, btw.
[12:43] <cjwatson> mapreri: needs rebuilds of calibre, krename, and scribus, yes
[12:43] <cjwatson> mapreri: I believe usrmerge needs an initramfs-tools merge
[12:44] <cjwatson> mapreri: also coreutils
[12:44] <cjwatson> Conflicting with the current version of an Essential package isn't going to go well for it :-)
[12:45] <mapreri> oh. eheh :)
[13:14] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, infinity I have an idea I'd like to discuss.
[13:14] <flexiondotorg> Not sure if it is feasible.
[13:15] <flexiondotorg> Need some wise heads to bounce ideas off.
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg>  In debian the libpng16 transition is mostly "done" I mean, we patched the sources except for a few build failures, and we are waiting for the release team to proceed
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg>  I did ~30 NMUs and they are pending, and I'm planning to merge ubuntu whenever possible
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> do you think we can arrange a transition for xenial?
[13:58] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: shoot
[13:58] <flexiondotorg> Would it be possible to make another image for Ubuntu MATE that just use the ubuntu-mate-core meta-package?
[13:59] <flexiondotorg> I'd like to create an Ubuntu MATE Basic edition which is heavily stipped down.
[14:03] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, ^
[14:32] <apw> cjwatson, initramfs-tools merge, ugg
[14:33]  * apw looks at usrmerge
[14:34] <apw> cjwatson, yes so it does, fun, i've got that merge on my list as soon as i get the previous version uploaded
[18:26] <ginggs> hi, is there a reason we don't have ceres-solver in ubuntu ? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ceres-solver I don't see it in the sync blacklist and it was uploaded to unstable at the end of november.
[18:45] <doko> ginggs, no idea, just synced
[18:46] <ginggs> doko, thanks
[18:53] <cjwatson> ginggs: The reason was that it was previously removed from Ubuntu as a consequence of a removal from Debian, and auto-sync defers all packages that have previously been removed for manual attention.
[18:53] <cjwatson> In this case I agree it was fine to reintroduce it.
[18:54] <ginggs> thanks, cjwatson, is there a list of these packages somewhere?
[18:55] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/current.log
[18:55] <cjwatson> pretty raw form
[18:55] <cjwatson> doesn't divide down by reason, you need to read through it
[21:27] <doko> cjwatson, please could you build gradle using the gradle binaries from unstable? validated that it builds
[21:31] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Yo
[21:50] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: hey
[21:50] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[21:50] <flexiondotorg> Back home now.
[21:51] <flexiondotorg> I was enquiring about the notion of creating an Ubuntu MATE Basic image.
[21:51] <flexiondotorg> Is that something the build system can accommodate?
[22:14] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: in theory yes
[22:15] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: what comes to mind is what level of simplification are you looking at? because we already have ubuntu-core / ubuntu-server which can be pretty minimal
[22:16] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Basically an Ubuntu MATE that is "built" using just the ubuntu-mate-core meta package.
[22:16] <cyphermox> at the point where you're looking at a command-line setup, I start to have a hard time how you can both do a minimal setup and a branded one
[22:16] <flexiondotorg> So still Ubuntu MATE, with desktop. But with much of the bundled applications removed.
[22:17] <flexiondotorg> There is a demand for this for people to make bespoke setups for stuff like Steam or Kodi or whatever.
[22:18]  * xnox uploaded something into ubuntu, instead of ppa =(
[22:18] <cyphermox> yeah, I can picture the kiosk idea to some degree
[22:18] <xnox> nodejs - 4.2.6~dfsg-1ubuntu3
[22:20] <xnox> i did block-proposed, which is good enough.
[22:21] <doko> mdeslaur, ^^^
[22:21] <xnox> block 1537922
[22:21] <xnox> bug 1537922
[22:28] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, So how can I progress this?
[22:29] <infinity> flexiondotorg: To be fair, starting from a desktop/live installer ISO isn't how I'd build a bespoke kiosk image, I'm not sure many would.
[22:29] <knome> cyphermox, fwiw, the xubuntu team has a similar effort underway.
[22:29] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Doing a d-i netboot and then adding the packages you want would be a more common approach.
[22:30] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I'm not planning to make a kiosk image.
[22:30] <knome> infinity, since the "core" name seems to be the blocker for some people, would you think "base" would be more approachable for them?
[22:30] <flexiondotorg> What the UBuntu MATE community are asking for a minimal desktop.
[22:30] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Well, whatever "bespoke setups" people might have.
[22:30] <cyphermox> knome: flexiondotorg: I'm not sure how to deal with this. My understanding is that new flavours would have to go through TB approval, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as a new flavor or as a JFDI case.
[22:31] <flexiondotorg> People can then use it as a "base" to make their own thing.
[22:31] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Is this not is the same category as the alternate image for Lubuntu?
[22:31] <cyphermox> (I'm leaning towards jfdi but hey)
[22:31] <knome> flexiondotorg, we can help with the technical side
[22:32] <knome> or, the social request side, or whatever
[22:32] <flexiondotorg> knome, Thanks.
[22:32] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: technically it's not much more than having a seed and making an image with that seed
[22:32] <knome> infinity, what flexiondotorg is proposing is basically the same as the "xubuntu core" image
[22:32] <infinity> knome: I would certainly prefer to see people stop using "core" for this, but I'm more trying to understand the use-cases.
[22:32] <infinity> knome: And yes, I know what you're both been proposing. :P
[22:32] <knome> for us, the usecase is that not all people want firefox, thunderbird and libreoffice
[22:33] <knome> (and a lot more)
[22:33] <flexiondotorg> infinity, OK so if we go with -base (for example) are there any technical reasons blocking this?
[22:33] <knome> so we want to offer a smaller image for them so they can save bandwidth and installation time
[22:33] <flexiondotorg> infinity, What knome said. Same from Ubuntu MATE.
[22:33] <knome> the use cases are endless
[22:33] <infinity> Okay, but in both cases, this is targetted to end users?
[22:33] <flexiondotorg> There is a large user group who what to currate their own system.
[22:33] <knome> for us, yes, totally
[22:34] <knome> advanced end users
[22:34] <flexiondotorg> Sort of "make your own adventure".
[22:34] <knome> we will make sure the "core" image is working though, eg. not just stripping packages like headless chicken
[22:34] <flexiondotorg> Again, what knome said.
[22:34] <infinity> Kay.  I think I misread flexiondotorg originally, feeling like this was targettted at people doing custom images, and a live ISO is a horrible starting point for third parties to customize images.
[22:34] <flexiondotorg> Advanced/experienced users.
[22:34] <knome> for us, there might be some replacements for some packages too
[22:35] <flexiondotorg> For Ubuntu MATE it is simply a build from ubuntu-mate-core.
[22:35] <knome> i don't know if anybody in our team has thought about creating customized images from that image, but i guess it helps with that too
[22:35] <flexiondotorg> He says "simply" assuming this is indeed simple.
[22:36] <knome> flexiondotorg, we have a xubuntu-core task set up already.
[22:36] <knome> flexiondotorg, so even in that regard, the same as you
[22:36] <knome> now we basically just want an image for that task.
[22:36] <infinity> It's relatively simple, other than exploding your QA matrix.
[22:37] <flocculant> infinity: our 'core' lives on the tracker already in a basic state
[22:37] <flocculant> all *I'm* waiting for now is it to be  a daily build - so I can actually ask people to test it
[22:37] <flexiondotorg> I have a small team who have said they will test a "base" image.
[22:38] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/105604/testcases
[22:38] <knome> exactly what flocculant said. we want it to start running in the dailies "officially"
[22:38] <knome> (everything else is prepared for us, except for the merge...)
[22:38] <infinity> So, before we have an explosion of things named core, could we maybe all agree on consistent branding for "a flavour without all the extra desktop applications"? :P
[22:39] <flocculant> :)
[22:39] <knome> infinity, i've got an "ack" for being okay with "base", if the "core" name REALLY is the blocker
[22:39] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I "think" Xubuntu and UBuntu MATE can agree on "base". I'm certainly OK with that.
[22:39] <knome> (we want this to progress too, but we don't want desktop/dvd)
[22:39] <flocculant> 2 of our release team would ack that - pretty sure the other one would too
[22:39] <infinity> knome: I've said before that I wouldn't block on "core" in your case, but I'm less thrilled about it, the more people follow in your footsteps. :P
[22:39] <knome> (as was previously suggested by a few people)
[22:39] <knome> infinity, i understand and remember you said that
[22:40] <flexiondotorg> infinity, So is "base" agreeable from your point of view?
[22:40] <knome> core is our #1 bet, because we've already advertised it as that on our website and more, but if the cd image doesn't approve that, then we'll live with "base"
[22:40] <infinity> Something like "base" or "basic" would be fine.
[22:40] <knome> *cd image team
[22:40] <infinity> And you could maybe rebrant the other ISO as "Full" or something, to be descriptive.
[22:41] <knome> infinity, as you probably can imagine, we don't want to do another merge proposal with the new "base" name unless it's really ok with the cd image team
[22:41] <infinity> So people get an idea that ISO 1 has a basic setup, ISO 2 is what you want to download for gandpa so he doesn't have to hunt for a web browser or word processor after install.
[22:41] <knome> yes, that's one option
[22:41] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Can do.
[22:42] <knome> the downside of that is we need to rename our main ISO at that point
[22:42] <flocculant> not completely sold on renaming what we currently have tbh
[22:42] <knome> but i guess you don't mind if it's base/desktop?
[22:42] <infinity> Well, not in the machinery or anything, just in pretty charts on websites.
[22:42] <knome> yeah, pretty charts are pretty charts
[22:42] <flocculant> if the new one is -base then it stands to reason the bigger download isn't base imo
[22:42] <flexiondotorg> And already have the -desktop suffix.
[22:43] <knome> infinity, so... how do we go from here?
[22:43] <infinity> I like "basic" over "base", if we're bikeshedding.  We're describing a flavour of an OS, not a chunk of it.
[22:43] <infinity> So, an adjective is better.
[22:43] <infinity> But I'll be happy with either of those, if you two agree.
[22:43] <knome> in my mind, basic refers to being "simple", or not the "premium" version, so i prefer "base"
[22:44] <knome> (besides, i would still consider our desktop image the "basic" (or regular) image)
[22:44] <infinity> Yeah, fair enough on the basic != premium.  I think that's why I suggested "light" or "minimal" last year.
[22:44] <flocculant> infinity: in simple terms for me - our main image is stuff added to the base image iirc now
[22:45] <knome> minimal has the potential to be messed up with the mini ISO again, so not that
[22:45] <infinity> I don't think so, TBH.
[22:45] <knome> (and xubuntu core is not really "minimal")
[22:45] <infinity> We don't promote the mini ISO in any way, only advanced users even know they exist.
[22:45] <knome> and for xubuntu, the word "light" is a red light, because we have been previously targeting low-end machines
[22:46] <knome> (which need a "light" OS)
[22:46] <infinity> But yeah, I could live with base, if you two like that best out of the non-core options.
[22:46] <knome> so i would say we want to avoid that too
[22:46] <knome> flexiondotorg, please ack once more that you are fine with "base"
[22:46] <knome> ^ we are
[22:46] <flexiondotorg> I am fine to "base".
[22:46] <knome> great!
[22:47] <infinity> I would definitely recommend you both do some Microsoft-style charts on your websites to tell people the difference.
[22:47] <knome> infinity, do you need to run this by other cd image members, or are you ready to merge?
[22:47] <knome> infinity, i'll pass on that to our marketing team
[22:47] <infinity> "You get all this great stuff, plus a web browser, office suite, etc preinstalled".
[22:47] <knome> wait, i'm on that team
[22:47] <infinity> Cause, yay confusing.
[22:47]  * knome facepalms
[22:47] <knome> ;)
[22:47] <infinity> Hahaha.
[22:47] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Ubuntu MATE will do that.
[22:47]  * flocculant is off now - night all
[22:47] <knome> infinity, we'll likely do it the other way, but yeah, marketing semantics
[22:48] <infinity> knome: Anyhow, yeah, if we s/core/base/ across the board, I think I'll be happy revisiting your MP.  I haven't read it in a while to remember if it was otherwise okay, but I don't recall it being awful.
[22:48] <knome> i don't think there is anything else
[22:48] <knome> when can we expect to hear from you about the name?
[22:48] <infinity> You two agreed, I'm fine with the name now.
[22:48] <infinity> So, you've heard from me.
[22:49] <infinity> It's more about me finding a bit of time for a final review and merge.
[22:49] <knome> ok,
[22:49] <knome> so should i ask Unit193, who proposed the merge, to add you as another reviewer?
[22:49] <infinity> base has no conflicts with other products, and bonus points if we (in)formally decide that this is what we call flavours with fewer bits installed.
[22:49] <infinity> I'm a fan of consistency where we can get it.
[22:49] <knome> i'll applaud for consistency too.
[22:49] <flexiondotorg> +1
[22:50] <infinity> knome: I'm in the team that's proposed as a reviewer, I'm sure, but a fresh pointer to the MP itself wouldn't hurt.
[22:50] <knome> infinity, slangasek claimed the review, so you aren't... but here it is: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167
[22:52] <infinity> knome: Right.  This'll need some fixing up for name change proposals.
[22:52] <knome> infinity, acknowledge, but we are not willing to do that unless we can be certain that the new name is okay.
[22:52] <knome> infinity, as you can probably imagine...
[22:52] <infinity> knome: And I might still agree with slangasek that this shouldn't be whole new projects, but types (like desktop/dvd), which is a transparent thing to the end user, we can name the ISOs and label the webpages however we want.
[22:53] <knome> tbh, i don't understand most of the technicalities here, i'm mediating between the two parties to get this done :)
[22:53] <infinity> Just from a POV of backend machinery and paperwork, it makes more sense for them to be subtypes of "xubuntu" rather than whole new projects.
[22:53] <infinity> Yeah, that's cool.
[22:53] <Ukikie> Yeah I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it is now, just not using the 'dvd' one.
[22:54] <infinity> I'm hip deep in other work right now, can you set yourself a reminder to yell at me about this near the end of the week?
[22:54] <infinity> Oh, indeed, it just created a new type.
[22:54] <knome> infinity, ACK.
[22:54] <infinity> I didn't read the MP, just the comments. :P
[22:54] <knome> thin the comment was about the earlier revision
[22:54] <infinity> So, we could just make a "base" type instead, doesn't really bug me.
[22:54] <knome> then we updated the MP
[22:55] <knome> now we want to make sure we don't do more work unless we know it will be the last time we change this
[22:56] <infinity> Ahh, no, it's still a different project in there.
[22:56] <infinity> So, it's a different project *and* a new type.
[22:56] <infinity> Which doesn't make much sense.
[22:57] <infinity> But yeah, poke me violently on Thurs/Fri, and we'll get this moving for realz this time.
[22:57] <knome> infinity, i'll poke related people
[22:57] <knome> thanks!
[22:58] <knome> we'll try to help mate get their stuff in line before that too, so you can kill two birds with one stone
[23:05] <flexiondotorg> infinity, cyphermox Thanks for helping with this.


[12:38] <nysosym> good evening :)
[12:39] <nysosym> kwwii, i haven't updated my kubuntu yet, but i have seen the new ubuntu splash in the forum.
[12:39] <kwwii> hehe
[12:39] <kwwii> I thought it might arouse discussion
[12:39] <kwwii> kinda did it on purpose
[12:39] <nysosym> i like it, but the contrast between the red/orange is a little bit to heavy
[12:40] <kwwii> yepp
[12:41] <nysosym> and the brown left corner looks a little bit missplaced
[12:41] <kwwii> don't worry, it will change soon
[12:42] <nysosym> hehe, only a test? :D
[12:43] <nysosym> tomorrow i will comment the kubuntu stuff
[12:44] <lapo> link?
[12:44] <nysosym> it's to late today and i wan't start my machine
[12:45] <nysosym> lapo, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=27252&d=1173735696
[12:45] <lapo> kwwii: kubuntu, red/orange?
[12:45] <lapo> nysosym: thanks
[12:45] <nysosym> lapo, no it's for ubuntu
[12:45] <lapo> ah
[12:46] <lapo> not really my thing, but not bad
[12:48] <andreasn> hi lapo
[12:48] <lapo> hey andreasn
[12:48] <andreasn> tangerine going well?
[12:49] <nysosym> hi andreasn :)
[12:49] <lapo> andreasn, somewhat I have something which actually builds at least
[12:49] <andreasn_> hi nysosym
[12:49] <lapo> andreasn: you can check it out from bazaar.launchpad.net somewhere
[12:49] <andreasn> oh?
[12:50] <lapo> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~calamandrei/tangerine-icon-theme/ubuntu
[12:50] <lapo> I believe
[12:52] <nysosym> there is nothing lapo
[12:53] <lapo> nysosym: is should be a bazaar repo
[12:53] <andreasn> what's the command now again
[12:53] <lapo> s/is/it/
[12:53] <andreasn> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~calamandrei/tangerine-icon-theme/ubuntu/ don't work for me
[12:53] <lapo> andreasn: it should be bzr checkout <that link>
[12:53] <lapo> uhm
[12:55] <andreasn> hm
[12:56] <lapo> andreasn: it works for me
[12:58] <andreasn> "bzr: ERROR: Target directory "ubuntu" already exists.
[12:58] <andreasn> "
[12:58] <lapo> mkdir something
[12:58] <nysosym> remove it or configure bzr new :)
[12:58] <lapo> and cd there
[12:59] <andreasn> all right
[01:01] <andreasn> ah, bzr merge with my old tangerine checkout seemed to work
[01:03] <nysosym> brb
[01:03] <andreasn> lapo: looks great
[01:04] <nysosym> whats new? :D
[01:04] <lapo> andreasn: not much different from the old one
[01:04] <lapo> nysosym: nothing special, a bit brights and polished here and there
[01:04] <lapo> brighter
[01:04] <andreasn> some 16x16 stuff seemed sharper + the menu editing icon
[01:05] <lapo> ah yeah, I redid all the 16x16 computers, so nicer 22x22 network status icons
[01:05] <andreasn> and the folders looks much better now, sharper
[01:05] <lapo> it doesn't look like a pair of notebooks anymore
[01:06] <nysosym> aa sounds good :)
[01:07] <nysosym> will these integrated in feisty? :D
[01:07] <lapo> I hope so
[01:07] <lapo> ah the major improovment is 32x32 icons
[01:07] <lapo> ugh, my typos get worse in the night :-)
[01:08] <nysosym> yes 1am here ^
[01:15] <lapo> uhm g'nite
[01:17] <nysosym> i will go also gn8 my friends :)
[02:02] <kwwii> time for bed here too
[10:38] <nysosym> hi there :)
[11:16] <funpop> there should be a little fawn somewhere in feisty
[12:26] <lapo> hi
[12:44] <bersace> hi all
[12:44] <bersace> i posted HumanFeistyList at gnomelook
[12:44] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=54505
[12:44] <bersace> I think this is a good idea to post contents here, this allow to see if people are happy with it or not.
[12:50] <bersace> kwwii: http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=54505
[12:50] <bersace> hi !
[12:50] <kwwii> howdy bersace
[12:51] <kwwii> sweet!
[12:51] <bersace> kwwii: i try to post on gnomelook my production for ubuntu-art in order to get feedback
[12:51] <kwwii> bersace: excellent idea :-)
[12:51] <bersace> see my first attempt : http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=36862
[12:51] <bersace> one year ago
[12:53] <kwwii> hehe
[12:53] <kwwii> using different icons like that looks nice
[12:55] <bersace> those icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps/faces
[12:55] <bersace> installed by default
[12:55] <bersace> selectable with about-me !
[12:55] <bersace> ubuntu does not sucks that much :P
[12:56] <kwwii> lol
[12:56] <bersace> i guess that all account should have a random default faces from this folder
[12:56] <kwwii> cool, I'll have to pic one
[12:57] <bersace> Or use a decent nobody icon
[12:57] <kwwii> yeah, that would be a good idea
[12:58] <kwwii> I'll submit a new session splash today, btw :-)
[12:58] <bersace> nice
[12:58] <bersace> did you upload HumanFeistyList ?
[12:58] <bersace> Or do you intend to wait for a new HumanFeisty ?
[12:59] <kwwii> I'll upload that today as well
[12:59] <kwwii> at first I thought about waiting but I think it would just be easier to do it now
[01:00] <bersace> ok
[01:01] <bersace> I would like to have more and more feedback about Human*List
[01:01] <bersace> As you can see at gnomelook, i'm not the only one who did Human*List variant
[01:02] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:02] <kwwii> maybe for feisty+1 we'll get a nifty 3d version
[01:02] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=22926
[01:03] <bersace> would be so nice
[01:03] <kwwii> yepp
[01:04] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=32045
[01:04] <bersace> http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=29784
[01:05] <lapo> bersace: I like http://gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=32045
[01:05] <kwwii> hehe, that seems to be very popular :-)
[01:06] <lapo> bersace: the composition is nice
[01:06] <bersace> lapo: strange, i dislike the list aside from logo
[01:07] <lapo> bersace: I don't know the theming capatibilty of the user browser, but it would be cool to have it more integrated in the bg
[01:07] <bersace> you don't like the white bg of HumanFeistyList ?
[01:08] <bersace> i agree it's not that consistent with ubuntulooks
[01:08] <lapo> bersace: with the list not being a foreign element
[01:08] <bersace> however, it allow to smoothly blend, just like the entry
[01:08] <lapo> bersace: not so much, it's bold
[01:08] <bersace> i agree gdm lists are kind of foreign element
[01:08] <bersace> the font ?
[01:08] <bersace> it depends on driver
[01:08] <bersace> (yes, that sucks)
[01:09] <bersace> i do not have that with radeon, but with i810
[01:09] <bersace> see http://bersace03.free.fr/pub/Images/Captures/Gnome/GDM/Themes/HumanFeistyList/
[01:09] <lapo> I haven't tested it here directly but usually with nvidia on a 16:10 screen I get strane result with fonts
[01:09] <bersace> ack
[01:10] <bersace> i guess that's a gtkrc matter
[01:10] <bersace> i copy-paste ubuntulooks gtkrc
[01:11] <lapo> bersace: I prefer the list on the side because you have the logo way too up imho with your current design
[01:12] <bersace> agree, however, the purpose of GDM is not to show logo, but login screen
[01:12] <bersace> this is why i set login box at center with 50% height
[01:12] <bersace> (50% of the screen)
[01:12] <bersace> gdm is not usplash ;)
[01:12] <bersace> also, this depend a lot on your screen size
[01:12] <bersace> since it's a flexible theme
[01:13] <lapo> bersace: yep, infact I think a central logo is not the best thing to have designwise
[01:13] <bersace> i might divide the screen in 3
[01:13] <lapo> bersace: look at what the fedora core are doing
[01:13] <bersace> logo/login/empty
[01:13] <lapo> bersace: http://www.isity.net/blog/
[01:13] <bersace> i know
[01:14] <bersace> their theme is nice
[01:14] <bersace> except the black
[01:14] <bersace> also, it's too wide
[01:14] <bersace> i dunno if its flexible
[01:15] <bersace> I wonder if i should tune gtkrc for the theme
[01:15] <bersace> I may do so for the next version
[01:16] <lapo> yeah the black is not optimal, but the way they integrated the face browser tuning he gtk rc is nice
[01:17] <lapo> well at least it doesn't look like a foreign body :-)
[01:17] <bersace> ok
[01:17] <bersace> i will do that
[01:17] <bersace> thanks for the feedback
[01:18] <lapo> you're welcome :-)
[01:19] <nysosym> hi there :)
[01:19] <lapo> yo nysosym
[01:20] <kwwii> bersace: uploading the GDM package now
[01:20] <bersace> yeah ! :D
[01:22] <nysosym> wow, for ubuntu or kubuntu? :)
[01:22] <andreasn> hi nysosym (though I might say hi first for a difference ;)
[01:23] <nysosym> hi andreasn, yes i think so ^^
[02:21] <nysosym> hallo Leute :)
[02:21] <nysosym> nutzt hier jemand Kontact mit 2 E-Mail Accounts?
[02:22] <nysosym> ahhh wrong channel sry
[02:27] <kwwii> nysosym: ja, ich tu es
[02:29] <nysosym> kwwii: aber nur wenn ich dich nicht gerade stre ;)
[02:29] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:30] <kwwii> nysosym: wie kann ich helfen?
[02:31] <nysosym> Ich habe einen GMail Account und einen bei 1und1, leider trennt Kontact diese nicht sauber genug voneinander. Das heit, wenn ich ber 1und1 eine Mail verschicke, schickt der auch meine Gmail Adresse mit...
[02:31] <nysosym> das will ich unterbinden.
[02:33] <kwwii> nysosym: hrt sich wie ein weiterleitung an, irgendwie
[02:34] <kwwii> oder ist es in dein Profil?
[02:34] <kwwii> ich habe 4 accounts, 3 POP und 1 IMAP
[02:34] <kwwii> und es funktioniert prima
[02:34] <nysosym> hmm theoretisch wei mein GMail Account nichts von meinem bei 1und1 was auch so bleiben soll :D
[02:35] <kwwii> welche ist als Default eingetragen?
[02:35] <nysosym> der Gmail Account ist als Standard
[02:36] <nysosym> wre schn wenn das so bleiben knnte, denn die 1und1 Adresse will ich nur bei bestimmten Personen einsetzen
[02:37] <nysosym> ahhja, wenn ich den standard Account auf den 1und1 lege, schickt er die GMail Adresse nicht mehr mit
[02:37] <nysosym> hmm jedes mal umstellen ist doch mist
[02:38] <kwwii> hehe
[02:38] <elkbuntu> you guys are talking about me, arent you. admit it.. :
[02:38] <kwwii> elkbuntu: howdy :-)
[02:38] <kwwii> nysosym: stimmt
[02:38] <nysosym> hi elkbuntu :)
[02:39] <elkbuntu> 'sup? making ubuntu sexy, kwwii?
[02:39] <elkbuntu> ;)
[02:39] <nysosym> elkbuntu: sry for german, but my english isn't very good and i have a special problem wih Kontact :-/
[02:39] <kwwii> elkbuntu: that has become the goal of my life, it seems
[02:39] <elkbuntu> nysosym, thats fine :)
[02:40] <elkbuntu> kwwii, better you than some others, that's for sure
[02:40] <kwwii> lol
[02:40] <elkbuntu> just keep the crotches out of it ;)
[02:40] <kwwii> that is just too funny, really
[02:41] <kwwii> when I made the pic I said that someone would say that....it *always* happens to me
[02:41] <elkbuntu> hehe
[02:41] <kwwii> honestly, almost every wallpaper I have made has received comments like that
[02:41] <elkbuntu> convex and concave lines running parallel with horny geeks will always render that sort of reaction ;)
[02:43] <nysosym> kwwii: i have a solution for my problem :)
[02:43] <nysosym> kwwii: thx for all :)
[02:44] <kwwii> nysosym: cool ;-)
[02:45] <nysosym> kwwii: when i will send an E-mail i should change my identity AND "use send with XXX"
[02:45] <nysosym> horrible ^^
[02:47] <kwwii> nysosym: ouch
[02:47] <kwwii> nysosym: it might also be due to the server you've picked as default for sending
[02:48] <nysosym> kwwii: cu later :)
[03:16] <goliath23> hi
[03:16] <goliath23> does anyone know what color-palette is used in the (edgy) usplash when the text-colors are specified?
[03:17] <goliath23> I built my ohn usplash, and exepcted, that one of the palettes of my splash-images is used. but it seems the palette for the text colors is some other palette.
[03:17] <goliath23> any idea?
[03:35] <kwwii> goliath23: that is in the .c file in the theme
[03:35] <kwwii> goliath23: there are offsets defined into the colormap
[03:39] <goliath23> kwwii: pardon? I don't quite understand. from what I see in the code of libusplash I'd expect those entries for fg and bg text color would be absolute in values to colors in my pixmap's colour palette, right?
[03:40] <goliath23> 	/* Palette indexes */
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.background             = 0xFF,
[03:40] <goliath23>   	.progressbar_background = 0x7,
[03:40] <goliath23>   	.progressbar_foreground = 0x156,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_background        = 0xFF,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_foreground        = 0x0,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_success           = 0x0,
[03:40] <goliath23> 	.text_failure           = 0x0,
[03:40] <goliath23> this is what I have
[03:41] <goliath23> but somehow the text foreground color is blue. I have no blue color in the pixmaps' palette however
[03:45] <troy_s> goliath23: You can generate your own palette
[03:46] <goliath23> how? I thought the palette of the theme's pixmap was used?
[03:46] <kwwii> goliath23: exactly
[03:47] <kwwii> goliath23: you can define those numbers to determine the colors
[03:47] <goliath23> so why do I have a blue text foreground color if I have no blue color in the pixmaps palette?
[03:47] <kwwii> erm...that should not happen
[03:47] <troy_s> goliath23: Go and look at the exact palette using a reliable image editor.
[03:47] <goliath23> I use gimp
[03:47] <troy_s> goliath23: I know that at one point during the last usplash development, Gimp had some issues with proper palette allocations
[03:48] <troy_s> under certain particular instances (namely the Usplash allocation)
[03:48] <troy_s> IIRC use Imagemagick's identify to examine the palette.
[03:48] <troy_s> from the command line
[03:48] <goliath23> ok, hold on
[03:49] <troy_s> goliath23: It is impossible to beat Imagemagick's reliability.
[03:49] <goliath23> do you know the exact command? or tool?
[03:49] <troy_s> goliath23: I don't know too much about the current Usplash implementation, but you should generally check that the number of colours in the palette is as required.
[03:49] <troy_s> identify
[03:50] <goliath23> david@freebox:~/projects/flashtool/bcsxp-usplash-theme$ identify usplash_800_600.png
[03:50] <goliath23> usplash_800_600.png PNG 800x600 800x600+0+0 PseudoClass 256c 44kb
[03:50] <troy_s> do a verbose identify
[03:50] <troy_s> identify -verbose usplash_800_600.png
[03:51] <goliath23> what can I read from it? what's the important part?
[03:51] <troy_s> if you look down you will see the palette information
[03:51] <troy_s> and the bytecodes of the number of colours
[03:51] <goliath23> yeah, it shows me the colors
[03:51] <troy_s> iirc correctly, gimp for one reason or another
[03:52] <troy_s> added an extra colour (well at least the gimp that ships with ubuntu -- the newers seems to not do this)
[03:52] <troy_s> numerically speaking
[03:53] <goliath23> I have colour indicies from 0 to 255 says imagemagick
[03:53] <goliath23> the first color is the same as in gimp, but the last few are different from what I can see at a glanze
[03:53] <goliath23> oh wait
[03:54] <goliath23> no
[03:54] <goliath23> both show the same I guess, I hade two images open
[03:56] <goliath23> hmmm
[04:00] <goliath23> none of my pixmaps has a blue color in it, though, a blue color is used. maybe the kubuntu people patched something there? But I think the same usplash code is used for both, just the usplash-theme differs
[04:03] <troy_s> The only thing that will result in blue
[04:03] <troy_s> in an 8bit display mode
[04:03] <troy_s> is having the palette register a blue colour
[04:03] <troy_s> which means that you have blue somewhere in that palette.
[04:04] <troy_s> it is also why i said to check the number of colours -- if you are under by one etc you can end up with a colour you didn't expect
[04:07] <goliath23> It doesn't look like 8 bit is used and still I get a blue color
[04:13] <troy_s> well it should be an 8 bit image
[04:13] <troy_s> is it flagged as such?
[04:18] <goliath23> hm
[04:18] <goliath23> how do I flag it as such in gimp?
[04:22] <goliath23> I think I just created a normal image and then indexed it with gimp
[04:26] <goliath23> hm  Channel depth:
[04:26] <goliath23>     Red: 8-bits
[04:26] <goliath23>     Green: 8-bits
[04:26] <goliath23>     Blue: 8-bits
[04:32] <troy_s> that is a 24bit image goliath23
[04:33] <goliath23> uhm
[04:33] <troy_s> you need to set the _total_ number of colours to 256 (0-255)
[04:33] <troy_s> unless it is just reading out how much depth the palette has
[04:33] <goliath23> how do I do that in gimp? because the palette only shows me 0-255 colors to choose from
[04:33] <troy_s> (which case an 8bit indexed image almost always has 24 bits of colour depth)
[04:34] <troy_s> when using gimp did you change your mode from RGB to indexed
[04:34] <troy_s> ?
[04:34] <goliath23> es
[04:34] <goliath23> yes
[04:34] <troy_s> can you dcc me the file?
[04:34] <goliath23> yes
[04:34] <goliath23> wait, I put it on webspace
[04:35] <goliath23> troy_s: http://www.vidsolbach.de/tmp/usplash_1024_768.png
[04:37] <troy_s> looking
[04:38] <troy_s> ok i see nothing but aqua blues and teals in the palette
[04:38] <troy_s> (aside from a bunch of greys)
[04:39] <troy_s> goliath23: Is it not possible it is pulling one of those aqua's out of the palette?
[04:39] <goliath23> wait
[04:41] <troy_s> aside from that, the image looks fine.
[04:41] <goliath23> http://www.vidsolbach.de/tmp/bcsxp-usplash-theme.tar.gz
[04:41] <troy_s> (speaking in terms of colour depth / palette indexes)
[04:42] <goliath23> this is the whole theme, which is not working for me. I want the text background to the white and foreground black (especially the text to remove the cd after stopping the live cd, but I guess that is treated like normal text
[04:42] <troy_s> goliath23: Exactly what portion of the image is getting corrupted?
[04:43] <goliath23> only the "remove cd and hit enter...text"
[04:43] <troy_s> So everything is fine except for the text?
[04:43] <goliath23> yes
[04:44] <troy_s> The text is coming up what colour currently?
[04:44] <goliath23> those number for text foreground and background range from 0-255 and are palette indicies, right?
[04:44] <troy_s> Should be, yes.
[04:44] <goliath23> currently, hold on, just have it in vmware here
[04:44] <troy_s> Although I can't say with 100% certainty as I haven't played with the newer usplash too much.
[04:45] <goliath23> it should be the edgy version
[04:46] <goliath23> currently it comes up with 004100
[04:46] <troy_s> a greeny aqua colour?
[04:46] <troy_s> hrm... middle green should be
[04:46] <goliath23> the text foreground is 000008
[04:49] <goliath23> there is no such color in the pixmap according to gimp
[04:49] <troy_s> Yeah doesn't look like it.
[04:49] <troy_s> Well the creator of the usplash code is here
[04:49] <troy_s> You can ping him if you want and perhaps, if he has time, he might be able to help you.
[04:50] <troy_s> I strongly suspect it is somewhere in the image format that something is getting bungled.
[04:50] <troy_s> Perhaps in the png to bogl
[04:50] <troy_s> or like area
[04:50] <goliath23> ok
[04:50] <troy_s> You could look over the .c files output and see if there are any colours that match your
[04:50] <troy_s> issue.
[04:50] <troy_s> Again though
[04:50] <troy_s> when running in vmware
[04:50] <troy_s> you aren't in a palettized mode
[04:50] <troy_s> which means that you can always expect strangeness.
[04:51] <goliath23> troy_s: why should vmware be a problem? (sorry, I'm not familiar with image formats)
[04:51] <troy_s> As in it is actually 'simulating' a palettized mode (unless you run in an 8 bit colour depth -- which case you will be subject to the currently running palette)
[04:51] <troy_s> It has more to do with the actual display mode
[04:52] <goliath23> hm
[04:52] <goliath23> ok, but black should still display as black, and not green, right?
[04:52] <troy_s> The display mode for an 8bits per pixel display has a tricky little bit of video hardware translation -- the single byte references the hardware's 256 colour palette as set
[04:52] <troy_s> well theoretically it shouldn't be an issue, but I know from experience that not all emulated 8 bit palettized displays play nicely
[04:53] <troy_s> To be 100% conclusive, you really would need to try the blob in a native 8 bit display (aka actually boot using the splash)
[04:53] <troy_s> to avoid potential translation errors
[04:54] <troy_s> At least, that is what I would do.
[04:54] <troy_s> Assuming it works, it could very well be a driver / mode related issue
[04:54] <troy_s> Again, when you are in a 24 bpp display zone and you are simulating an 8 bit image (as vmware would be doing) you are actually getting a
[04:54] <goliath23> the .c looks fine
[04:55] <troy_s> rendered window that is completely 'translated' to approximate what happens in an 8bits per pixel display
[04:55] <troy_s> it is _not_ an 8 bit per pixel display in reality -- it is the same depth as your current desktop resolution.
[04:55] <goliath23> ok
[04:55] <troy_s> Which means the palette indexing and such is all handled via software.
[04:55] <troy_s> Or translation hardware.
[04:55] <goliath23> but If I boot on the other pc here I get the same problem and same colors
[04:55] <troy_s> As in you boot and you get that issue?
[04:56] <troy_s> without vmware?
[04:56] <goliath23> yes
[04:56] <troy_s> Then it is definitely an image problem
[04:56] <goliath23> or a usplash problem..
[04:56] <troy_s> Talk to S.eveas
[04:56] <troy_s> He is the fellow who wrote the code, he MIGHT be able to help you.  But again, most people are very busy around here.
[04:56] <goliath23> Seveas: ping? ^^
[04:56] <goliath23> sure
[04:57] <troy_s> Ok.  Hopefully you will find someone more helpful than myself.
[04:57] <goliath23> maybe there's a standard palette, that has #004100 in it?
[04:57] <goliath23> troy_s: thanks for your help!
[04:57] <troy_s> No.  Unless it allocates certain colours to certain indexes.
[04:57] <troy_s> But again, I don't recall that being the case.
[04:57] <troy_s> Perhaps it is.
[04:57] <troy_s> Again, sevea.s can probably help you / if / when he has time
[04:58] <goliath23> sure. I pinged him, maybe he sees it
[04:58] <goliath23> i'll relogin using screen to see if he comes back to me.
[04:58] <troy_s> goliath23: Until then, try using a different image with a different colour palette and see if you get the same issue
[04:59] <goliath23> re
[04:59] <goliath23> did you say something?
[08:48] <nysosym> re :)
[09:27] <newz2000> Anyone want to get a sneak peak at the new website and help me resize some images?
[09:32] <kwwii> newz2000: I'd love to help :p
[09:32] <newz2000> Cool, actually, you're an excellent candidate because the kde screenshots are quiet poor
[09:32] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:33] <kwwii> just let me know what to do
[09:33] <kwwii> although, I am running gnome now ;-)
[09:33] <newz2000> ok, well, we're asking people not to post screenshots...
[09:33] <kwwii> sure
[09:33] <kwwii> don't want to loose my job ;-)
[09:34] <newz2000> the pages in question are at Products --> What is Ubuntu?
[09:35] <kwwii> ok, I see that page
[09:45] <newz2000> I scared him away :-)
[09:45] <newz2000> oh, he's back
[09:46] <kwwii> re
[09:48] <VeganChick> what's the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-effects?
[09:49] <newz2000> this channel is way cooler
[09:49] <VeganChick> haha
[09:53] <nysosym> VeganChick: newz2000 is on the right way, this channel is much better :D
[09:55] <EmxBA> 3~3~/leave
[09:56] <VeganChick> ok, i'm trying to customize ubuntu, and i can't find any good instructions/tutorials
[09:58] <kwwii> hrm, that killed my computer
[09:58] <newz2000> editing the website?
[09:59] <kwwii> newz2000: nope, trying to start another session to make screenshots :-)
[10:00] <nysosym> kwwii: with xnest?
[10:00] <kwwii> nysosym: I have never got kde running in xnest
[10:01] <nysosym> kwwii: i will try it :D
[10:01] <newz2000> kwwii: So Christina suggested that the screenshots on products/whatisubuntu/desktopedition are too big
[10:01] <kwwii> I need someone to take a screenshot of a menu in kde from a fresh install
[10:01] <newz2000> can you log in as a new user?
[10:01] <kwwii> newz2000: that is what I was thinking too
[10:01] <nysosym> kwwii: which menu?
[10:02] <newz2000> Oh, I think I have edgy kde in vmware
[10:02] <nysosym> i have a fresh install ^^
[10:02] <kwwii> newz2000: yeah, that is what I did, but I still have the whole gnome desktop installed so all the apps show up in the menu and it gets really long
[10:02] <newz2000> nysosym: sweet, you go for it
[10:02] <newz2000> ah
[10:02] <kwwii> nysosym: make a screenshot of the kde menu, while using a white wallpaper color
[10:02] <nysosym> kwwii: ok mom
[10:02] <newz2000> nysosym: that's Mr. mom to you. :-)
[10:03] <kwwii> lol
[10:03] <kwwii> nysosym: with the top menu item selected (so that the top item in the main menu shows the submenu)
[10:05] <kwwii> nysosym: another good screenshot would be one showing the mouse-over on the kmenu
[10:06] <nysosym> kwwii: right? http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto3ik0.png
[10:07] <nysosym> kwwii: the second one
[10:07] <nysosym> http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4hf5.png
[10:07] <kwwii> nysosym: yes, the is right, but the panel should be the default size :-)
[10:07] <nysosym> kwwii: hmmm 42 right? ^^
[10:07] <nysosym> ok 48 :)
[10:07] <nysosym> i will do some new
[10:08] <nysosym> is it ok with running programs?
[10:08] <kwwii> yeah, that does not matter
[10:09] <kwwii> I am going to cut out the menu
[10:09] <nysosym> kwwii: the first one http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4hf5.png
[10:10] <nysosym> kwwii: the second http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4ya6.png
[10:11] <nysosym> dman wrong link of the first one
[10:11] <nysosym> http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto3hz7.png
[10:11] <nysosym> this is the right one :)
[10:12] <kwwii> nysosym: perfect, thanks
[10:13] <nysosym> kwwii: no problem, everytime again :)
[10:14] <nysosym> kwwii: for what do u use these?
[10:14] <kwwii> nysosym: they are for the new website
[10:15] <nysosym> for which project?
[10:15] <nysosym> os is this a secret? :D
[10:15] <newz2000> www.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <nysosym> nice :)
[10:16] <nysosym> comes with feisty?
[10:16] <newz2000> hopefully comes tomorrow
[10:17] <nysosym> amazing :)
[10:17] <newz2000> wait until you see it
[10:18] <nysosym> sure i have enough time today :)
[10:18] <nysosym> i love surprises ^^
[10:21] <kwwii> nysosym: dude, sorry, but could you make that second screenshot again, this time without any programs in the taskbar?
[10:24] <nysosym> kwwii: one moment please :)
[10:24] <nysosym> brb
[10:27] <nysosym> re
[10:27] <nysosym> kwwii: please my friend :)
[10:27] <nysosym> http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto4uw6.png
[10:28] <kwwii> nysosym: perfect! now if you could also make the one with the submenu :-)
[10:29] <nysosym> hehe :D
[10:29] <nysosym> mom
[10:30] <nysosym> http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmphoto3qa5.png
[10:31] <kwwii> nysosym: perfect, thanks again :-)
[10:31] <nysosym> kwwii: no problem :)
[10:47] <VeganChick> this is probably a really stupid question...but how do i start up beryl?
[10:48] <nysosym> VeganChick: for that please join #beryl thanks :)
[10:48] <VeganChick> oh, sorry! didn't know that existed
[10:48] <VeganChick> thanks
[11:11] <kwwii> newz2000: man, how in the world do you edit that page with the edit option?
[11:12] <kwwii> I *will* mess something up that way
[11:12] <newz2000> the kubuntu page?
[11:13] <newz2000> are you making images that you click to enlarge, or are they cropped in such a way that you don't need to enarge them?
[11:14] <newz2000> kwwii: here's what you do:
[11:14] <newz2000> click in the editor, click the third icon from the right
[11:14] <newz2000> that window that pops up may need to be wider, click the icon to the right of Image URL
[11:15] <newz2000> there you can upload images... note the checkbox to auto-resize images. May or may not be appropriate
[11:15] <newz2000> after you upload, click the image and the url to the image will be inserted into the "Image URL" field.
[11:16] <newz2000> Fill out any other fields you want then hit "Update"
[11:16] <kwwii> ok, let me fire up firefox first
[11:17] <kwwii> (no icons in konqueror)
[11:18] <kwwii> much nicer
[11:19] <newz2000> ah, without the wysiwyg it would be a pain. There are a few pages I have to edit that way (doing one now actually)
[11:23] <kwwii> newz2000: what should I put in for Title and Description?
[11:24] <newz2000> I can't remember which one is which, but the second field is the alt tag, the third one I usually leave blank.
[11:24] <newz2000> kwwii: are these going to be "click to enlarge" images?
[11:24] <kwwii> newz2000: yeah, I made the first one like that
[11:25] <kwwii> newz2000: but I do not see how to make it do that :-)
[11:25] <newz2000> After you insert the smaller image, click it then click the "link" icon. You get that same browse icon which you can use to browse through your images. YOu can upload the larger image and then click it to make the link go to it.
[11:26] <newz2000> when you do that, from the "styles" drop down, choose "lightbox image"
[11:26] <newz2000> Also, you may want to give the link a title that describes the image.
[11:26] <newz2000> Some day I may add some lightbox code to make that more elegant when you click the image
[11:27] <kwwii> ok, let me try this once
[11:32] <troy_s> greets newz2000
[11:32] <newz2000> hey troy_s
[11:32] <newz2000> long time no chat
[11:32] <troy_s> indeed.  how have things been?
[11:32] <kwwii> newz2000: ok, I think I have the first pic done, test it :-)
[11:32] <newz2000> ok
[11:32] <newz2000> troy_s: things are good here, getting ready to update the website
[11:32] <troy_s> any previs?
[11:33] <troy_s> tell me that the website is going to drop that awful stock photography
[11:33] <newz2000> kwwii: looks good
[11:33] <newz2000> troy_s: new and improved awful stock photography
[11:34] <troy_s> LOL
[11:34] <kwwii> newz2000: cool, I'll do the other pics ont he page now
[11:34] <troy_s> that's swell.
[11:34] <troy_s> at least we are being consistent across the entire presentation
[11:34] <newz2000> kwwii: do you think its safe for me to say that the new site is a dramatic improvement?
[11:34] <newz2000> (design wise)
[11:34] <kwwii> newz2000: definitely
[11:35] <newz2000> troy_s: we're hoping to go live tomorrow... just adding some final polish
[11:35] <troy_s> ah.
[11:35] <troy_s> you could probably throw up photos of a horrible car accident and improve the stock photography nightmare.
[11:36] <newz2000> yeah, we've had some photographers shooting some new images
[11:37] <newz2000> the support guy is still hanging around somewhere
[11:37] <newz2000> not on the homepage
[11:38] <troy_s> LOL
[11:38] <troy_s> he was a charmer.
[11:38] <troy_s> we need to dress him up in drag.
[12:01] <nysosym> bbrb
[12:06] <nysosym> re


[07:56] <LocutusOfBorg> s390x builders looks stuck?
[11:31] <LocutusOfBorg> ping for 171 builders that are stuck in "cleaning"
[11:31] <LocutusOfBorg> specially s390x is probably dead except for one or two builders