[17:22] <Guest56__> johnlea_ ping
[17:22] <Guest34> johnlea_ping
[17:25] <Guest34> johnlea_ping
[17:26] <digitalalex> johnlea_ping


[13:25] <Guest25187> Hi guys, just looking at the pdf variants of the various docs (eg. Ubuntu Server Guide) and was wondering if there was a latex source or something similar that they were created from?
[13:27] <pleia2> they're stored in bzr in docbook format, I'll get the link
[13:28] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/serverguide/trunk
[13:29] <Guest25187> Thanks thats exactly what I was after :)
[13:29] <pleia2> details about contributing and how to use them: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide
[13:32] <Guest25187> Looking through that now. Thanks for the pointer :)
[13:33] <pleia2> you're welcome
[17:50] <dsmythies> GunnarHj : I found the "Meetingology bot crash course" notes that Lyz made one time. So, I can help chair if you want.
[17:51] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Thanks, but I really think it will go faster without it. (I've already made some preparations.)
[17:53] <dsmythies> GunnarHj : Huh? Do you mean that we will not bother with meetingology?
[17:54] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Well... Yes, that was my thought. Bad idea?
[17:54] <dsmythies> O.K. with me.
[17:55] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: We still have the IRC log as the 'minute', right?
[17:56] <dsmythies> Yes.
[18:00] <dsmythies> O.K. I am here for docs meeting.
[18:00] <jbicha> o/
[18:01] <GunnarHj> Meeting time! (without bot) Welcome all!
[18:01] <GunnarHj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda
[18:01] <GunnarHj> Who are here for the meeting (besides those who have already waved)?
[18:01] <pmatulis> o/
[18:02] <clissold345> Hi everyone.
[18:02] <GunnarHj> Hi clissold345!
[18:02] <dsmythies> Hi
[18:02] <GunnarHj> Ok, as regards the desktop stuff, I inserted some comments under respective agenda item. Hopefully you all agree with some of the steps taken, and if so there is no idea to talk about it further now. So I thought I'd echo respective item, and then you chime in if you want to add or question something or ask for clarifications. Is that a reasonable way to proceed?
[18:02] <dsmythies> Yes.
[18:03] <GunnarHj> * Overall presentation
[18:05] <GunnarHj> Nothing? Good. Next item:
[18:05] <GunnarHj> * How does ubuntu-docs fit in?
[18:05] <GunnarHj> (There are obviously quite a few things we need to consider further once we know more about the 17.10 desktop.)
[18:07] <dsmythies> agreed
[18:07] <GunnarHj> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu-help/Makefile.am
[18:07] <GunnarHj> (Shows how small ubuntu-docs has become.)
[18:07] <dsmythies> which is good.
[18:08] <GunnarHj> Yes.
[18:08] <GunnarHj> Well, if nothing further, then next:
[18:08] <GunnarHj> * Workflow / bug tracker
[18:08] <dsmythies> looks good to me.
[18:09] <dsmythies> we will have to update the related "how to" wiki pages.
[18:09] <jbicha> I'd like to talk about gnome-user-docs string freeze, is now a good point to bring that up?
[18:10] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: indeed (the wiki)
[18:10] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Now or under translations. Take it now.
[18:11] <jbicha> GNOME historically has no docs string freeze at all (I guess because 1: it's hard to get people to write docs and 2: docs kind of needs the UI to be frozen first)
[18:12] <jbicha> I'd like to propose to the GNOME Docs team to change that policy so that we can ship better updated upstream translations
[18:12] <jbicha> I'd like to make the proposal with a suggested schedule
[18:12] <jbicha> https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive
[18:12] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[18:13] <jbicha> I was thinking about Docs String Freeze being at the 3.26.0 release and a gnome-user-docs tarball would need to be released at 3.26.1 with the updated translations
[18:14] <jbicha> 3.26.0 is approximately Sep 13, and 3.26.1 is approximately Oct 4, Ubuntu 17.10 is released Oct 19
[18:14] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Sounds as a very good idea to me.
[18:14] <dsmythies> Sounds good to me. Is gnome likely to agree to an Ubunut driven timeline?
[18:14] <jbicha> at string freeze, gnome-3-26 would be branched and further work could continue in the git master branch (in preparation for the next GNOME major release)
[18:15] <jbicha> dsmythies: it would benefit all distros :)
[18:15] <dsmythies> O.K. great.
[18:15] <jbicha> it's particularly beneficial to say, Ubuntu and Fedora which do not ship the .0 release but ship .1 or .2
[18:16] <GunnarHj> On our side we need to call the translators' attention to the fact that the bulk of the desktop guide is to be translated upstream.
[18:17] <jbicha> ok, I'm ready for the next topic unless there are more comments…
[18:17] <dsmythies> lets move along.
[18:18] <GunnarHj> * Translations
[18:18] <jbicha> GunnarHj: have you done any GNOME translation work yet?
[18:18] <jbicha> and do we have any other translators here today?
[18:19] <GunnarHj> jbicha: No, I haven't. But other Swedish translators have, fortunately, so Swedish is well translated already. :)
[18:19] <GunnarHj> (Hannie let me know that she couldn't make it today.)
[18:19] <dsmythies> ... I was just going to write that Hannie usually comes.
[18:20] <GunnarHj> Ok, let's proceed...
[18:20] <GunnarHj> * Stable release updates
[18:21] <jbicha> translators should look into https://l10n.gnome.org/ and https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject
[18:21] <dsmythies> great that you have decoupled.
[18:21] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Right. I'm going to post to the ubuntu-translators list.
[18:22] <clissold345> I have a point to ask about it. It will probably take a few minutes.
[18:22] <GunnarHj> clissold345: Let's give it some time.
[18:24] <clissold345> For the 16.04 help I would have liked to make some corrections to the help. But unfortunately that wasn't possible. Will it be possible now the decoupling has happened?
[18:25] <clissold345> For example if 18.04 is an LTS and I find some errors and want to correct them (after 18.04 has been released)?
[18:25] <jbicha> clissold345: English errors or translation errors?
[18:26] <clissold345> I'll correct the English but translations would need to be made too.
[18:26] <GunnarHj> clissold345: It will be possible to handle it in consultation with the translators.
[18:27] <jbicha> GunnarHj: wouldn't that mean that we would need to unfreeze docs for a time and then freeze again for translators before release?
[18:28] <dsmythies> like we do now for the serverguide.
[18:28] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hmm... Probably. I have still not switched my thinking 100% to the fact that we now rely on the upstream procedures.
[18:29] <jbicha> well, do y'all want to modify my GNOME Docs proposed schedule to include that?
[18:29] <clissold345> GunnarHj, that would be great. Obviously it's not up to me alone to decide if the documentation is updated. Eg I realise the translators might have a significant amount of work to do.
[18:30] <GunnarHj> jbicha: It's not apparent to me how to include SRUing in a schedule...
[18:30] <jbicha> one issue is that GNOME currently doesn't bother with LTS releases project-wide
[18:30] <jbicha> if someone wants to maintain a module long-term, there's nothing stopping them though
[18:31] <jbicha> so if an Ubuntu contributor cares, they could set a schedule for how the thawing and re-freezing of gnome-user-docs would work
[18:33] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok. Maybe it would be good if you open for the thought to start with, then.
[18:33] <clissold345> It's a long way ahead but if 18.04 is an LTS (maintained for 5 years) we could perhaps consider a documentation update say 3 months after 18.04 has been released?
[18:34] <jbicha> clissold345: it's not that far ahead, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS might ship GNOME 3.26 which will releases in 3.5 months :)
[18:35] <GunnarHj> clissold345: Actually that's exactly what happened with 16.04 (for special reasons).
[18:36] <jbicha> I think I'll just start with proposing the simple schedule and if people step up to maintain gnome-user-docs LTS branches, that can be added on later
[18:37] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, sounds reasonable to me. (For really important changes we can simply decide that content is more important than translations.)
[18:38] <jbicha> so the SRU topic is undecided now, but next topic?
[18:38] <clissold345> GunnarHj, OK well that sounds promising for 18.04. If we can do a documentation release (say) 3 months after 18.04 is released we can fix significant errors (if there were any).
[18:38] <GunnarHj> jbicha: This is the SRU topic. :)
[18:39] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yes, I just didn't want to stall the meeting
[18:39] <GunnarHj> Moving on then:
[18:39] <GunnarHj> * GNOME events
[18:41] <GunnarHj> On the agenda as reminders. Also, having clissold345 in particular in mind for the sprint. Would you be interested, clissold345? (It's possible to apply for community funding.)
[18:41] <jbicha> I encourage y'all to ask Canonical for sponsorship funding if it would help you attend: https://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[18:41] <jbicha> but apply early since it may take some time for the applications to be processed
[18:41] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for the link.
[18:43] <GunnarHj> clissold345: You don't have to answer now, of course. Let's move on.
[18:43] <GunnarHj> * Server
[18:44] <dsmythies> Said what I wanted to in the aengda
[18:44] <dsmythies> agenda
[18:44] <clissold345> GunnarHj, sorry I'm a bit slow. I think it will take me a while to start getting familiar with gnome help. So no I don't want to go the sprint this year.
[18:45] <dsmythies> very happy to be getting subject matter expert contributions.
[18:45] <GunnarHj> clissold345: Ok, that's fine.
[18:45] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Right, it's nice to see the involvement of the server team folks.
[18:46] <dsmythies> not sure I should be gating point release on getting help with update stuff, but have now "kicked" serverteam e-mail list.
[18:46] <clissold345> dsmythies, do you need more input for the server guide? Will the experts give it?
[18:47] <dsmythies> Yes, more, always more. They tend to ignore the serverguide requirments, but it has been on their agenda the last month or two.
[18:48] <dsmythies> including some new serverguide items to add.
[18:49] <dsmythies> should we move on?
[18:49] <clissold345> dsmythies, do you know the chapters/sections that most need attention? Let them know what parts most need revising?
[18:50] <dsmythies> We could review Peter's list on the wiki. The whole thing needs a good going over.
[18:50] <pmatulis> agreed
[18:50] <dsmythies> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide
[18:51] <GunnarHj> Are we ready to move to next topic?
[18:51] <dsmythies> yes.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> * help.ubuntu.com
[18:51] <GunnarHj> I think the publishing issues due to several packages is a homework for dsmythies and myself.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> Publishing "dev" versions? In the case of the desktop guide we'd then publish something different compared to released packages.
[18:53] <dsmythies> Yes. the thought is to publish, and perhaps, be out of sync with the released package and or the offical tranlsated stuff.
[18:53] <dsmythies> However, then there is a spot to find "fix committed" stuff.
[18:53] <clissold345> GunnarHj, publishing a dev version of the desktop help would sometimes be useful for review purposes. Do you remember Pete who checked the printer setup page?
[18:53] <dsmythies> we do it already anyhow, just only about 2 months before release.
[18:54] <dsmythies> now, I'm saying lets just do it all the time.
[18:55] <dsmythies> in the case of 17.10 help docs, it would allow us lots of time to find issues with the html versions.
[18:56] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: You haven't realized how complicated the publishing will be with 3 sources. ;)
[18:56] <dsmythies> Yes, I have, which is why I want to get started.
[18:56] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Ok, that's a point.
[18:56] <dsmythies> it will end up being out of time before we get it to work.
[18:57] <clissold345> I like the idea of a regularly published dev version of the desktop help but it's not worth it if it's time-consuming for Gunnar or Doug.
[18:58] <dsmythies> for the serverguide it might redcue the number of point releases.
[18:58] <dsmythies> once we have it working the overhead is low.
[18:59] <dsmythies> and we wouldn't always do it for every trunk update.
[19:00] <dsmythies> I have a time limit of 15 minutes from now.
[19:01] <dsmythies> I assume Gunnar will return.
[19:03] <GunnarHj> Sorry, net connection problems...
[19:03] <clissold345> Move on to Miscellaneous?
[19:03] <dsmythies> pmatulis : do you have any update from your big thread "Feedback request | Documentation site reorg, switch to Markdown"
[19:04] <dsmythies> by the way, i just an -email from the serverteam. They will look at the update stuff, and help get it sorted out in terms of the serverguide.
[19:07] <dsmythies> I have a max of 7 minutes left.
[19:07] <GunnarHj> While waiting for pmatulis, did you conclude anything as regards the dev publishing?
[19:07] <pmatulis> dsmythies, well... it's hard to bring in new ideas? :)
[19:08] <dsmythies> No. I'll make a proposed version on my test web site and e-mail you all the link. It will just have a place holder for desktop at the moment.
[19:08] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Ok, thanks.
[19:08] <dsmythies> becuase as Gunner mentioned, that will be a challenge.
[19:09] <dsmythies> pmatulis: So that is a no then?
[19:09] <pmatulis> dsmythies, exactly, my proposal was shot down
[19:10] <dsmythies> Well, that wasn't my understanding with respect to the serverguide. It was my understanding with respect to desktop docs.
[19:11] <pmatulis> i accept that the only viable target (to change) was the server guide but i was left demoralized
[19:11] <pmatulis> it would lead to yet another round of critiques. i'm human
[19:12] <dsmythies> Are we done?
[19:12] <clissold345> Decide on another meeting some time?
[19:13] <GunnarHj> pmatulis: Sorry to hear that you took it that way. AFAICT the response you got was factual, and not directed towards you or your good intentions.
[19:14] <GunnarHj> clissold345: Let's take that on the list.
[19:14] <dsmythies> I agree with Gunnar.
[19:14] <dsmythies> I have to go. Thanks all and bye.
[19:14] <pmatulis> there was a lot of unwarranted sniping
[19:14] <clissold345> Thanks everyone.
[19:15] <GunnarHj> Thanks all, and sorry again for the interruption...
[21:12] <jbicha> GunnarHj: maybe gnome-user-docs and gnome-getting-started-docs should have docs teams subscribed to their bugs
[21:16] <GunnarHj> jbicha: It depends on what you mean by "docs team". I see that ~ubuntu-core-doc is already subscribed to gnome-user-docs bugs, which is good, and I think the same should be the case with gnome-getting-started-docs.
[21:18] <jbicha> whatever team you think is fine with me
[21:21] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok. Just added ~ubuntu-core-doc to gnome-getting-started-docs.
[21:24] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Btw, when we talk about those two packages, will all the language specific binaries automatically be included in "main"? I think it's important that they are, or else they won't be pulled via the installer.
[21:25] <jbicha> GunnarHj: they are all in main
[21:25] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=gnome-getting-started-docs
[21:26] <jbicha> you could also use the rmadison CLI tool (from the devscripts package)
[21:28] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Are you sure of that?
[21:28] <GunnarHj> $ rmadison gnome-getting-started-docs-sv
[21:28] <GunnarHj>  gnome-getting-started-docs-sv | 3.18.2-1ubuntu1 | xenial/universe  | all
[21:28] <GunnarHj>  gnome-getting-started-docs-sv | 3.22.0-1ubuntu1 | yakkety/universe | all
[21:28] <GunnarHj>  gnome-getting-started-docs-sv | 3.24.0-1ubuntu1 | zesty/universe   | all
[21:28] <GunnarHj>  gnome-getting-started-docs-sv | 3.24.1-0ubuntu2 | artful/universe  | all
[21:30] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I have a feeling that since those binaries are neither seeded nor depended upon, they somehow need to be explicitily/manually moved to "main".
[21:32] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=gnome-getting-started-docs&S=on
[21:33] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Precisely. And that's what worries me.
[21:34] <jbicha> GunnarHj: also affects gnome-user-docs, but I just asked in #ubuntu-release for you
[21:35] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, thanks!
[21:45] <GunnarHj> jbicha: This is actually a wider issue. See for instance:
[21:45] <GunnarHj> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=libreoffice-dictionaries&S=on
[21:45] <GunnarHj> lo-dicts builds a lot of binaries which are pulled via language-selector in the same way. Most of them are in main, but apparently not all.
[21:45] <GunnarHj> Up to 17.04 this has been 'compensated' through language-selector-gnome, which has pulled what the installer didn't pull. But I assume that language-selector-gnome won't be in use in 17.10...
[21:51] <jbicha> could you add that to #ubuntu-release or maybe email ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-release about whether all language pkgs for main pkgs should be in main too
[21:57] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I think I'll talk to someone, e.g. L_aney, tomorrow. (I don't see your entry in #ubuntu-release yet.)
[21:58] <jbicha> before you arrived there, I wrote
[21:58] <jbicha> "gnome-user-docs & gnome-getting-started-docs were promoted to main but could we get all of their binary pkgs in main too for the other languages?"
[21:59] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for letting me know. I'll follow up on it tomorrow.
[21:59] <jbicha> np, nearly everyone has universe enabled anyway
[22:00] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Unfortunately I don't think that helps. But I'll find out.
[22:01] <jbicha> GunnarHj: maybe we just need to add them to
[22:01] <jbicha> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful/view/head:/supported
[22:03] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hmm... That may be it. It's over my head....
[22:03] <jbicha> ok, I think that's part of the ultimate answer :)
[22:05] <jbicha> I think usually for stuff to be in main, it has to be a recommends or depends of something in one of Ubuntu's main seeds
[22:05] <jbicha> supported is a seed that isn't installed by default
[22:05] <jbicha> 'desktop' is where ubuntu-desktop comes from
[22:05] <jbicha> anyway, have a good night!
[22:07] <GunnarHj> jbicha: So there is a distinction between "seeded" and "installed". Thanks for the lesson. If that file is the answer, it's in a need for a general review.


[03:06] <Guest55788> buenas noches alguien me podria ayudar para habilitar el compatible a silverligth en ubuntu mate
[03:07] <MALDON> HAY ALGUIEN POR AQUI QUE ME AYUDE
[08:09] <inpadmin> hi... anybody can help me with installing HP SCANNER on ubuntu 16.4
[10:39] <alkisg> inpadmin: most hp scanners should work out of the box...
[10:39] <alkisg> Which model?
[10:44] <dan> Hello
[12:23] <michael__> anybody here?
[12:25] <nomic> yes
[12:25] <nomic> just ask q.
[12:50] <mechahop> is there a way to create a bootable usb with the linux-mate iso? guide on the website talks about .img files??
[12:56] <garshol> Yes mechahop
[12:56] <garshol> what OS are you on now?
[13:00] <mechahop> archlinux
[13:00] <mechahop> tried unetbootin but it doesnt boto :|
[13:00] <garshol> so do a dd
[13:01] <garshol> dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usb
[13:01] <garshol> that
[13:01] <garshol> that's it!
[13:01] <mechahop> yeah hrmm ill give it a try
[13:06] <nomic>  z.z.
[14:12] <az> my_username, you can ask you question here. no need to do it in private.
[14:27] <my_username> Can someone give me hicolor directory in usr/share/icons?
[14:32] <my_username> az, it doents works
[15:23] <goku_> hi dudes
[15:24] <goku_> anybody alive here?
[15:33] <alkisg> !ask
[15:33] <alkisg> goku_: see above
[15:58] <sixsmith_> clear
[15:59] <sixsmith_> sorry forgot the /
[19:13] <SCHAAP137> http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/16/0628/h_1467141067_6280637_6fdb09a03a.jpeg
[19:14] <silver-dragon> MSTX to the MOON!
[19:16] <lostatwork> nice
[19:33] <nomic> whats that
[19:52] <ocimar> Boa tarde, a todos.
[19:57] <ocimar> Instalei o compiz mas não consegui obter o plugin das chamas alguém pode me da uma dica como obter esse plugin desde já agradeço.
[22:21] <winston2k> hi
[22:22] <adnan> heelo
[22:22] <adnan> hello
[22:27] <winston2k> anyone having issues with update stalling on 16.04 64bit both us and main servers?
[22:32] <winston2k> hi
[23:50] <cb_> Running Mate as a guest OS in VBox. Cannot put it into full screen mode. What to do?
[23:52] <randall> do you have guest editions installed on the vm?
[23:54] <cb_> Let me verify that. This is a fresh install.
[23:56] <randall> desn't matter, virtal box vms require guest editions instaled for more resolutions, full screen, file sharing with the host os, and usb 2/3 support
[23:59] <cb_> I had it installed previously. Couldn't get fullscreen to work. So, decided to start over. Should I exit chat and install it on this fresh install? Or should I leave chat up. Do you have time to wait?


[13:57] <fazer> balloons, can I have some autopilot help? I'm getting a state not found error for a StandardListItem. I'm aware of the bug workaround that needs to be added to the class and I have, but it still doesn't work. I'm working onthis bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1452489
[14:01] <fazer> anyone ^^ ??
[16:15] <fazer> balloons (anyone else is welcome to answer): I need some help with AP. This line works: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fazerlicourice/ubuntu-weather-app/add-test-switch-data-providers/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_weather_app/tests/test_settings_page.py#L141 but L150 is exactly the same, but it doesn't work, it returns a StateNotFoundError
[16:18] <balloons> good morning all
[17:26] <malevasquez> balloons, will you be able to update the leaderboard sometime today?
[17:26] <malevasquez> Oh and thanks for approving my last task!
[18:23] <McIntireEvan> Morning, balloons :) How are ya?
[18:45] <knome> McIntireEvan, accepted your task, thanks!
[18:47] <McIntireEvan> knome: I saw, thanks! The theme is really nice, hope my suggestions help!
[18:47] <knome> totally; i mostly only see the designer POV here, because i'm not exactly going to use the theme myself
[18:48] <knome> so much GCI mail
[18:49] <McIntireEvan> Haha yeah it is the last day, I can imagine
[18:49] <McIntireEvan> Hopefully Ubuntu participates again next year, I'd love to be a mentor then
[18:49] <knome> i was also off the whole day yesterday, and more or less the end of the work week too
[18:50] <knome> it depends on community involvement, so if people want to do it, i'm sure it will happen :)
[19:00] <McIntireEvan> :) We'll just have to see
[19:00] <knome> just be active when the contest is announced again
[20:41] <fazer> balloons, I need an API key from TWC to test this test. I got one from the Weather Underground because they were bought by TWC and the API is the same now, but it doesn't work.
[21:10] <fazer> balloons, (Or any other Weather App dev) I did it: I just pushed my test. Can you check it
[22:53] <fazer> balloons, I'm done. Can you take a look at it: https://code.launchpad.net/~fazerlicourice/ubuntu-weather-app/add-test-switch-data-providers/+merge/283749
[22:58] <fazer> Can one of the Weather app devs take a look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~fazerlicourice/ubuntu-weather-app/add-test-switch-data-providers/+merge/283749
[23:38] <fazer> balloons ^^


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 :? Sigh, nah ek will aftree op 30
[06:57] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:00] <Symmetria> there ;p in 10 minutes or so I will know if this stupid code works :P
[07:00] <Symmetria> Im trying to generate an RRD of how many hits / second Im getting on each mirror
[07:00] <Kilos> good luck
[07:00] <Symmetria> aalston@mirror:~/temp$ ./timer ubuntu.rrd /var/log/apache2/ubuntu-archive.log 300
[07:00] <Symmetria> heh, gotta wait for a coupla updates to see if the rrd is generating properly
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> why re-invent the wheel, someone has surely written a munin plugin for apache access logs
[07:01] <Kilos> while you waiting start on the deb-delta server
[07:15] <Squirm> morning
[07:16] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:51] <Symmetria> heh, wheeeeee
[07:51] <Symmetria> my rrd generator works
[07:51] <Symmetria> now I can graph how many log lines a second are being generated per file
[07:51] <Symmetria> horribly hacky way of doing things though
[07:52] <Symmetria> heh, take file, stat it for size, sleep X seconds, seek to old file size, recursive fgets to end of file and count the lines, divide number of lines by sleep delay = got lines per second
[07:52] <Symmetria> shove into rrd and rinse and repeat
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, like i said... that's a solved problem
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> munin + apache log plugin
[07:55] <Symmetria> ThatGraemeGuy Ive found most of those things croak under huge load
[07:56] <Symmetria> heh particularly the other code I've got that is geo-locating addresses in the log files and producing per country graphs
[07:56] <Symmetria> heh Im very close to having code (both front and back end) that will produce graphs of hit count per country automatically and show every country graph on a webpage
[07:57] <Symmetria> the geo-location code is already done, its just rather horribly cpu heavy
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah a bit of "not invented here" syndrome... ;-)
[09:03] <Kilos> hi SilverCode Xethron
[09:30] <magespawn> good day all
[09:30] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:31] <magespawn> hi there Kilos
[09:37] <Kilos> ha Squirm i saw your company add on tv last night
[09:37] <Squirm> :P
[09:37] <Squirm> It's quite good
[09:37] <Squirm> saw it for the first time last night too
[09:37] <Kilos> yeah\
[09:40] <magespawn> ?
[09:40] <Kilos> funny name company
[09:41] <Kilos> Squirm, what is it again
[09:41] <Squirm> YuppieChef
[09:41] <Kilos> ya haha
[09:55] <charl> good morning
[09:55] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:55]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:55] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:55] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:55] <charl> how's it going
[09:55] <Kilos> good ty and you ?
[09:56] <charl> i'm good thanks
[09:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:03] <Kilos> hi gremble
[10:07] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[10:24] <charl> hi gremble
[10:38] <gremble> Hey charl
[10:39] <gremble> pinfo coreutils, quite a dense read
[12:52] <Kilos> oh my
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> "Due to repeated cable theft in your area, Telkom has decided not to replace the cable. You will receive a letter offering you alternative solutions in 30 days."
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> <insert stream of words not suitable for public consumption>
[13:16] <Kilos> eish they gonna offer you their mobile fone
[13:16] <Kilos> same happened here
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> I know precisely what do do with their mobile phone
[13:17] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> they can stick it up their mobile .....
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah um.... anyway
[13:17] <Kilos> whew so you have joined the land of the mobile users
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh hell no
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's stupidly expensive
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> uncapped wireless here i come
[13:18] <Kilos> so you gonna move?
[13:18] <Kilos> oh have you got wireless nearby
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah there are a handful of options
[13:18] <Kilos> lucky man
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> amobia seems the most reasonable, their installation is only R1k, the rest charge about R3k for installation
[13:19] <Kilos> what do they install by you?
[13:19] <Kilos> a tower?
[13:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> not 100% sure
[13:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> some sort of mikrotik or ubiquiti box i assume
[13:21] <Kilos> oh the same stuff the wugs use
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty much
[13:22] <Kilos> talk to the ctwug maybe they have ideas or contacts for stuff
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> ctwug doesn't sell internet access
[13:22] <Kilos> the fly is part of that wug i think
[13:23] <Kilos> oi them too
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> no he isn't as far as i know
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i do know people on there but that's a private network
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i plan to get on that sometime, just where I live now there's pretty much nowhere for me to connect to
[13:24] <Kilos> eish
[13:27] <gremble> Why don't they just replace the copper infrastructure?
[13:27] <Kilos> it just gets stolen next week again
[13:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> ""Due to repeated cable theft in your area, Telkom has decided not to replace the cable."
[13:27] <gremble> Yes.  The contracts are pretty shitty
[13:31] <gremble> Oh ok
[13:31] <gremble> I did not know that
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> even if there were a contract I'm pretty sure they just rendered it null and void
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> but no, no contract
[13:34] <Kilos> hey ThatGraemeGuy you got a cell that does wifi walk or ride around your place till you find a signal then see if its a local hotspot there
[13:34] <Kilos> maybe with a yagi you can connect without lots expense
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> or i can just wait for them to come and do the site survey i requested
[13:35] <Kilos> lol how long ago did you request
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> 5 minutes
[13:36] <Kilos> oh ya wait
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't just randomly connect to some wifi point
[13:36] <Kilos> maybe theyll put a hotspot up by you
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think there's some clash of terminology here
[13:37] <Kilos> there was talk of the cape doing free wifi in quite a few of the areas there
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> you connect to their stations at high sites, a hotspot is a tiny, local thing by comparison
[13:38] <Kilos> oh ok
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/pI6MMR/Senior-PHP-Developers.html <--- if anyone is into that sort of thing
[13:40] <Kilos> there was someone here some months back that said he likes php
[13:40] <Kilos> forget who
[13:41] <Kilos> drop that info in our mailing list
[13:42] <gremble> There are people that say that they like php out loud? I thought that by this time they would be terrified to even mention that
[13:42] <Kilos> lol
[13:42] <gremble> Whenever I read a mention about PHP it is always followed by scathing remarks
[13:42] <Kilos> was one of the young guys that was in and out here for a while
[13:43] <gremble> Damn dem yunngens
[13:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah its usually smartasses that rant on about specific tech
[13:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> php isn't awesome but it gets the job done
[13:45] <gremble> It is pretty much the backbone language for a lot of webtechnologies
[13:45] <gremble> If I cared much for that sort of thing, I would probably know PHP like I know C++ :P
[13:46] <gremble> web technologies even
[14:09] <charl> hi Cantide
[14:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> well that's good service for a start, not even an hour passed and I've scheduled a site survey already
[14:31] <Kilos> cool
[14:31] <Kilos> telkom aint that bad
[14:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> not talking about telkom, amobia
[14:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> telkom can die in a fire, they are that bad
[14:41] <Kilos> sjoe they all i have man
[14:41] <Kilos> better than cellc mtn and voida
[14:41] <Kilos> voda
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't kid yourself they are all equally terrible :)
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> its fine as long as you have signal, but some day you might not and they won't care
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm off, byeee
[14:49] <Symmetria> wooooot
[14:49] <Symmetria> it works :)
[14:49] <Kilos> well done
[14:50] <Symmetria> my cacti is drawing me pretty hits per second graphs per apache log file
[14:50] <Symmetria> ;p
[15:03] <gremble> You have a drawing cactus?
[15:03] <gremble> Does it have thumbs?
[15:22] <Squirm> gremble: graphing software :P
[15:48] <Kilos-> oi
[16:36] <Kilos> hi Private_User did you say you like php?
[17:04] <Private_User> Hi Kilos
[17:04] <Private_User> I guess
[17:20] <Squirm> evening
[17:20] <Squirm> just got home
[17:20] <Squirm> work is good so far
[17:23] <Kilos> Private_User, there is a job going
[17:23]  * Kilos scrolls
[17:24] <Kilos> http://hetznercareers.theresumator.com/apply/pI6MMR/Senior-PHP-Developers.html
[17:24] <Kilos> hi gremble Squirm
[17:46] <inetpro> good evening
[17:46] <Kilos> evening inetpro gaanit?
[17:46] <inetpro> lekker
[17:46] <Kilos> mooi
[17:57] <magespawn> good evening
[18:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:14] <magespawn> how things Kilos?
[18:15] <Kilos> sukkeling as usual magespawn
[18:15] <magespawn> with what now?
[18:15] <Kilos> one needs strong perseverence when you make many mistakes
[18:16] <magespawn> indeed
[18:17] <magespawn> but those who make many mistakes learn more than others
[18:17] <Kilos> well i started data recovery of my saved pics vids data packages etc then it filled my drive so i got help from gremble last night to send output to desktop and then whole drive filled and hung and even with hard boot couldnt login to desktop
[18:18] <Kilos> and i forget how i once before did that and deleted the excess to keep going
[18:18] <Kilos> tried with live cd and it wouldnt let me delete anything
[18:18] <Kilos> so i just reinstalled
[18:18] <Kilos> thi got mixed up but
[18:20] <Kilos> the recovery tools work only very confusing because it showed recovered 700g from a 100g partition
[18:21] <Kilos> but the 45 pc it recovered i could see then all gone after reinstall hehe
[18:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:22] <magespawn_> net is not healthy here tonight
[18:23] <Kilos> so i see
[18:23] <Kilos> well i started data recovery of my saved pics vids data packages etc then it filled my drive so i got help from gremble last night to send output to desktop and then whole drive filled and hung and even with hard boot couldnt login to desktop
 and i forget how i once before did that and deleted the excess to keep going
[18:23] <Kilos> tried with live cd and it wouldnt let me delete anything
 so i just reinstalled
[18:24] <Kilos> the recovery tools work, only very confusing because it showed recovered 700g from a 100g partition
[18:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:29] <magespawn_> Kilos most the recovery tools will recover deleted files several layers deep i think
[18:30] <Kilos> there shouldnt be many layers it a new drive parted at the end for storage
[18:30] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <Kilos> but ill sort it, just telling you what happened
[18:31] <magespawn> did you have a look at what was recovered?
[18:33] <Kilos> ya vids and pictures and lots of othere stuff. many folders full
[18:34] <magespawn> do you guys know about this http://www.gnome.org/groupon/
[18:34] <Kilos> yes i got it in mail today
[18:35] <Kilos> them and gnome gotta fight
[18:35] <magespawn> needs lots more storage if you going to do it all the time
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> ya
[18:36]  * Kilos starts saving for a 4TB drive to do recovery on a 100 gB partition
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz, seen superfly
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 4 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-11-07 05:39:44 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-11-06 10:24:51 PST
[18:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:38] <magespawn> busy man
[18:39] <Kilos> yeah and i got more probs
[18:40] <Kilos> ian gave an xperia
[18:40] <Kilos> did i tell you?
[18:40] <Kilos> now i gotta find a way to get vodafone out of it so i can use 8ta
[18:41] <Kilos> nothing ever is straight forward
[18:43] <Kilos> ohi superfly wb
[18:46]  * Squirm yawns
[18:49] <Squirm> have to be at the office at 7 :/
[18:49] <Squirm> oh well
[18:49] <Squirm> means I finish at 3pm ^^
[18:49] <Kilos> lol go sleep early
[18:56] <superfly> ohi
[19:05] <magespawn> Kilos you mean take the sim card out
[19:09] <magespawn> Squirm wish i had those hours
[19:30] <Kilos> no magespawn i thinks it is locked to vodacom
[19:31] <Kilos> anyway gotta sleep now. will carry on tomorrow
[19:31] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:31] <Kilos> that includes you superfly . say hi tp the family
[19:51] <magespawn> good night all


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[00:52] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1929V946
[01:09] <AJenbo> damascene, the deadline was 9 minuts ago
[01:10] <AJenbo> forry for not noticing your question before :(
[01:10] <AJenbo> you can see the details of the deadline on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:10] <AJenbo> Freezes normally happen at the start of the given date, UTC time. So last minute changes need to happen the day before.
[01:11] <AJenbo> You can use http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ to figure out your time compared to utc
[01:11] <damascene> I see
[01:12] <damascene> there is some time left for other packages that uses package system
[01:12] <AJenbo> yes, excatly one week
[01:17] <damascene> thank you
[07:52] <dpm> good morning all
[08:09] <artnay> shotwell is missing several strings
[08:11] <artnay> damn, I'd like to like Unity but this thing is still too buggy :(
[08:54] <dpm> artnay, which particular strings is shotwell missing? If there isn't a bug, it cannot be solved :)
[08:55] <artnay> dpm: there are many (in settings, when publishing image etc.)
[08:55] <artnay> dpm: I'll report those later unless someone has time to dig them out now
[08:56] <artnay> dpm: probably more than 10 strings untranslatable
[08:58] <artnay> later meaning when I finish my paid job
[08:58] <dpm> no worries :)
[09:04] <TLE> *G*
[09:05] <TLE> those "paid jobs" so have a bad habit of getting in the way of the important stuff
[09:07] <dpm> exactly, I'd rather be translating Ubuntu myself right now :)
[10:30] <gtriderxc> HI!
[10:31] <gtriderxc> could anyone of You point me out the most important untranslated packeges on this list:
[10:31] <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+lang/pl
[10:32] <gtriderxc> I know Banshee but i'm unable to translate these 4 strings
[10:33] <gtriderxc> I know about slideshows and checkbox as well
[10:33] <gtriderxc> but is there anything more important?
[10:37] <RawChid> I think the slideshow would be clever (because that is a fierst impression)
[10:37] <RawChid> first*
[10:38] <dpm> gtriderxc, empathy perhaps?
[10:38] <gtriderxc> ok thanks
[10:38] <gtriderxc> wll be done
[10:38] <dpm> gtriderxc, and gbrainy
[10:38] <gtriderxc> i just thought
[10:38] <gtriderxc> there could be something of high importance on the next pages
[10:41] <RawChid> Today is the NonLangPack deadline. Is it still useful to translate then?
[10:41] <RawChid> I see ubiquity is such a NonLangPack
[10:45] <dpm> RawChid, yeah, it is still useful to translate. The only thing is that we cannot guarantee when developers will fetch the translations for the packages affected by NonLanguagePackDeadline, as it is a manual process
[10:46] <RawChid> So they come with an some sort of "language update" ?
[10:48] <dpm> RawChid, no they don't come like that. Developers fetch the translations from LP, put them in the package, build the package with the translations and upload it. Only then are translations shipped to users
[10:49] <RawChid> Okay
[10:49] <RawChid> I'm still learning a lot about the translation process.
[10:50] <dpm> yeah, ideally everything would be delivered in language packs and the whole process would be automatic, but unfortunately there are technical issues that represent exceptions
[10:52] <RawChid> Now I understand the idea NonLangPack better
[10:53] <RawChid> Maybe a silly question, but are you working for Canonical?
[10:55] <dpm> RawChid, there are no silly questions :) - Yes, I do work for Canonical: https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[10:55] <RawChid> Okay, I was just curious
[10:56] <RawChid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguagePackTranslationDeadline still had the Maverick deadline ;)
[10:56] <RawChid> has*
[10:57] <dpm> yeah, I know, it's in need of an update. Not only the date, but the list of packages as well. RawChid, are you volunteering for updating the date in the wiki page ;-)
[10:58] <RawChid> lol, I can change the date, no problem.
[10:58] <dpm> that'd be awesome :)
[10:59] <RawChid> I assume the time is the same..
[11:01] <dpm> RawChid, actually, we could leave out the time, as it can be misleading
[11:01] <RawChid> Agree
[11:02] <RawChid> Well, I'll make it a link to 0.00 o'clock UTC
[11:05] <dpm> ok
[11:05] <artnay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/760512 would be nice if someone who has been correcting/changing chromium translations could check if this bug exists in your language
[11:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760512 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "LP translations overwritten by imports (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:06] <artnay> https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/generated-resources/fi/+translate?show=new_suggestions&start=0 some corrections are now marked as suggestions after yesterday's import
[11:07] <artnay> http://ftagada.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/chromium-translations-explained-part-2b/#comment-204
[11:10] <artnay> luckily at least some of the changes are still remembered as suggestions but not all.
[11:58] <gtriderxc> Empathy done. who's next ;))
[12:47] <andrejz> AFAIK the deadline for non language pack is at 0.00 UTC, which was 11 hours 45 minutes ago, so it's possible translations won't get in 11.04
[12:53] <andrejz> Hello dpm? are you there?
[12:55] <artnay> andrejz: was this problem affecting slovenian translations as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/760512
[12:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760512 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "LP translations overwritten by imports (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:57] <dpm> RawChid, we better remove the time on the NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline altogether, as it seems to cause confusion ^^
[12:57] <dpm> andrejz,  we cannot guarantee when developers will fetch the translations for the packages affected by NonLanguagePackDeadline, as it is a manual process
[12:58] <RawChid> What you want dpm
[12:58] <RawChid> I'll removeit
[12:59] <artnay> I don't think it's too late yet
[12:59] <artnay> 20:28      CIA-7 : ubiquity: evand * r4678 trunk/ (130 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[12:59] <artnay> that's from my /last on #ubuntu-installer
[12:59] <artnay> the line is couple of days old
[13:56] <TLE> dpm: hey
[13:56] <dpm> hey TLE :)
[13:57] <TLE> we are still seeing quite large differences between for some gnome packages between their status on lp and the one they have at gnome (and had at release time)
[13:57] <TLE> now we are off course wondering whether these are due to lack of syncronisation of ubuntu specific strings
[13:58] <dpm> TLE, can you give me an example that we can track down?
[13:58] <TLE> when do we know for sure that all upstream translation from gnome at gnome release will be in lp
[13:59] <TLE> yes, I can find one, but I am not really interested in tracking them down one by one, I can do that on my own, I was wondering if there was a way around it
[14:00] <TLE> e.g. empathy https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/empathy/+pots/empathy/da/+translate
[14:00] <dpm> TLE, the reason I'm asking is because without more info I cannot tell you what's going on, and I cannot give you a workaround for something I don't know :)
[14:00] <dpm> TLE, ok, looking at empathy - so which are the differences you've observed?
[14:01] <TLE> well what I was hoping for was that you would say: "At this point in time all translations from gnome at release time are in LP, so you do not have to worry any more about upstream differences" ;)
[14:03] <TLE> well, same total string count (+-2) as upstream, yet upstream was 100% traslated at release time, and in LP we have 52 untranslated
[14:03] <dpm> TLE, well, this GNOME release is 3.0, and we're not using most of the packages from there (we're still using GNOME 2.32 and will switch to 3 at Oneiric). So the few GNOME 3 packages that have had uploads should be up to date. As per the others, they should be in the same state as 6 months ago or better regarding translation sync
[14:04] <dpm> TLE, ok, so that's something I can start with. Let me look at empathy...
[14:04] <TLE> empathy is also (and was also at release time) at 100% for gnome 2-32
[14:06] <artnay> TLE: are you missing strings?
[14:06] <artnay> (to be translated)
[14:06] <dpm> TLE, ah, empathy is actually a weird one, I noticed it a few days ago. In Ubuntu we're using the gnome-2-34 branch from empathy, yet there is no such a branch up for translation at damned-lies
[14:06] <dpm> that's why
[14:07] <TLE> I should say, that I did not actually look at the missing strings yet and compared with upstream, because I was hoping for an easier answer
[14:07] <TLE> dpm: hmmm, maybe it's tracking master
[14:07] <TLE> no that is not either, only 1 string has changed in master since braching gnome 3 off
[14:07] <dpm> TLE, I don't think so - master is gnome 3, whereas gnome-2-34 is still gnome 2
[14:08] <TLE> oh yeah
[14:08] <TLE> artnay: no, I am missing translations I think I already did ;)
[14:08] <dpm> so there is an "invisible" empathy branch for translator
[14:08] <dpm> s
[14:08] <artnay> TLE:
[14:08] <artnay> ah, sorry
[14:08] <dpm> which funnily enough is only translatable in Launchpad but not upstream
[14:09] <artnay> dpm: I spoke about untranslatable strings, now I found a reason for it. from http://yorba.org/
[14:09] <artnay> Shotwell 0.9.2 is released. This release fixes bugs in publishing, translation, and the search bar. We recommend that all users upgrade.
[14:09] <TLE> dpm: *G* and where 50 out of 850 strings have been changed
[14:10] <TLE> I could try and download the po-file and do a manual merge from gnome 2-32 to see if the strings are actually different?
[14:10] <dpm> TLE, ok, have you got any other package where you've observed weirdness in upstream sync? (I'm still hoping I can give you an easy answer at some point! :)
[14:11] <dpm> TLE, yeah, you should compare it to gnome-2-34 to see if it's actually the same one
[14:11] <dpm> and if the theory holds
[14:11] <TLE> actually most of the others have a size where it could just be ubuntu specific strings
[14:12] <TLE> evolution 2, gnome-control-center 3, gnome-disk-utility: 7, orca: 6, gnome-settings 13
[14:13] <TLE> small updates, it would just be nice if I was garantied, without checking strings, that they are indeed syncronized with upstream before I start updating them
[14:15] <dpm> TLE, those are all gnome 2 packages, so they were up to date 6 months ago. As a) probably the upstream translation activity on gnome-2-32 stopped a while ago and b) there must have been Ubuntu package uploads with fixes for those in Natty, I'm sure they're up to date
[14:17] <TLE> dpm: well that is true, but the numbers don't quite match, so e.g. orca is missing 1 string in upstream gnome 2.32 and 6 in lp, gnome-disk-utility is missing 0 in gnome 2.32
[14:18] <dpm> ok, let me check...
[14:21] <dpm> gnome-orca is one of the gnome 3 packages, and it seems to have had regular uploads - was the latest one before or after the upstream 3.0 release?
[14:21] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+publishinghistory
[14:22] <dpm> g-d-u is at 2.32.1:
[14:22] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+publishinghistory
[14:22] <dpm> so on orca you should compare master with LP
[14:22] <dpm> and on gnome-disk-utility you should compare gnome-2-32 with LP
[14:26] <TLE> for orca it was actually uploaded after gnome 3.0 release, so it must be ubuntu specific strings
[14:27] <dpm> TLE, yeah, the 6 strings are clearly Ubuntu-specific: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-orca/+pots/orca/da/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
[14:27] <TLE> and the latest gsu have been uploaded today, so I guess they should contain upstream translations from gnome 2.32
[14:28] <dpm> looking at the gnome-orca Ubuntu package, a da.po file with 1414 strings was imported correctly. Adding up the 6 Ubuntu strings it makes the 1420 total strings in LP, so we're all good there
[14:29] <TLE> yes, ahh but wait, the lists you send me is release dates, what is the correspondance between those and import dates
[14:29] <dpm> TLE, as a very loose rule of thumb, 1-2 days later, but if the imports queue is empty, they are imported immediately
[14:31] <dpm> So g-d-u upstream was translated in 2010-03-26 (date of the latest imported da.po file), with 1075 messages. Now let's have a look at LP...
[14:33] <dpm> LP has 1077 strings (2 more)
[14:33] <dpm> And the untranslated strings do not appear in the imported da.po file: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+pots/gnome-disk-utility/da/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
[14:35] <dpm> strangely enough, there is no upstream gnome-2-32 translatable branch: http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-disk-utility/
[14:35] <andrejz> dpm is there a way to check when the non-language pack translations have been exported the last time?
[14:35] <dpm> andrejz, either looking at the changelogs or asking the developers on IRC directly. Which one are you interested int?
[14:36] <dpm> *in
[14:36] <andrejz> we did a lot of work for kubuntu docs so i am interested in that and also xdg-user-dirs
[14:36] <TLE> dpm: yeah ok, I was going to ask where you found the 2010-03-16 date, of last translation update, same answer?
[14:36] <TLE> sorry, 2010-03-26
[14:37] <dpm> TLE, I did an 'apt-get source gnome-disk-utility' and I had a look at the po/da.po file
[14:38] <TLE> ok, thanks for the help
[14:38] <dpm> no worries :)
[14:38] <TLE> I must admit that I am still finding it a bit magical, making these checks
[14:39] <TLE> how is it, is there at this point a reliable and scheduled import from upstream, or is that still being worked on?
[14:42] <dpm> henninge, and his squad are ramping up to finish the automatic imports feature. But after that, we still need a bug to be fixed (soon) in bzr-git that will allow LP to import branches other than master
[14:42] <dpm> TLE, ^
[14:43] <TLE> awesome, then all of this will go away soon
[14:45] <dpm> yeah, that's the idea
[14:45] <dpm> then the only thing we'll have to care about is that each source package is linked to the right upstream branch
[14:45] <TLE> btw, awesome app developer week you guys put together, I missed your talk I
[14:46] <TLE> 'm afraid
[14:46] <TLE> but I followed quite a few other interesting ones
[14:47] <TLE> "pygtk is dead" and "python and gstreamer" were really good
[14:48] <askhl_> something wrong with pygtk?
[14:48] <dpm> TLE, ah, really glad you're liking it :)
[14:48] <TLE> yeah pygtk is dead, long live pygi
[14:49] <TLE> *G*
[14:49] <TLE> that was teh title of the talk
[14:49] <dpm> askhl_, nothing wrong with it, but it's being replaced with something bigger and cooler :)
[14:49] <TLE> askhl_: so essentially pygtk is a manually build binding
[14:50] <andrejz> dpm, is there a way to see all the packages you have been translating somewhere
[14:50] <TLE> whereas pygi gives you access to (among a log of other libs) through automatically generated API's
[14:50] <TLE> err: a lot of other libs
[14:50] <dpm> askhl_, check out the logs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable, and http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/ubuntu-app-developer-week-day-2/ and http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/off-to-a-great-start-ubuntu-app-developer-week-day-1/
[14:50] <dpm> but in any case TLE is already giving you a great summary :)
[14:53] <TLE> it seems like a brilliant idea and well executed, hats of for the idea-people and the implementers
[14:54] <TLE> dpm: btw, any inside information about when the second beta will be release into the wild
[14:54] <TLE> i mean when today
[14:54] <TLE> andrejz: I guess some of that information will be available in yout karma list
[14:55] <dpm> TLE, no, unfortunately not. The usual answer here is always: "when it's ready" ;)
[14:55] <TLE> Yeah I know, I
[14:55] <TLE> damn dutch keyboard *grumble*
[14:55] <askhl_> Interesting stuff about pygi
[14:56] <TLE> I keep hitting the enter key by mistake, when I want the '
[14:56] <dpm> andrejz, I've found this not to be too accurate, but you'll find some info to give you an idea here: https://translations.launchpad.net/~andrej.znidarsic/+activity
[14:57] <dpm> andrejz, as per the kubuntu-docs, I'd recommend asking at #ubuntu-doc
[14:57] <TLE> what I meant to say was, is that I'm going on weekend with poor internet connection this afternoon, so I hope I will have a chance to download it before
[14:57] <TLE> askhl_: yeah
[14:58] <andrejz> dpm, i believe it would be great if developers of non language pack packages would be encouraged to pack translations after non-langpack deadline
[14:58] <TLE> askhl_: as I understand it, ther may be a small performance penalty and import time, but the upside is that the amount of work that goes into bindings have been reduced from being propto libs*laguages to being propto libs
[14:58] <andrejz> otherwise it doesn't make much sense
[14:59] <TLE> err: at import time
[15:00] <dpm> andrejz, yeah, we try, but it's difficult to track, as there are several packages. One thing that can help is that translators talk to the devs reminding them. I mean, I tell them, but the message is stronger if the community also speaks up
[15:00] <andrejz> ok, i will go to ubuntu-docs right now and ask
[15:00] <andrejz> i also have another idea
[15:01] <kelemengabor> andrejz: I think there is a wiki page with bug numbers about "please export translations and rebuild the package" bugs, in which you could try to encourage them :)
[15:01] <andrejz> i noticed there is 5-a-day campaign for bugs , couldn't we do that also for translations
[15:01] <andrejz> @kelemengabor: can you please give a link?
[15:01] <andrejz> is it possible to track for how many days a person has tranlated or reviewed 5 strings?
[15:04] <askhl_> shouldn't it be a few more than 5 then? :)
[15:05] <andrejz> i think 5 it's enough (more is also ok)
[15:05] <andrejz> because what often happens is someone translated for some time (a month or so) , then they have real-life things to do and forget about translations for quite some time
[15:06] <TLE> *G*
[15:06] <andrejz> 5 a day might encourage people to stay in contact with translations
[15:06] <TLE> "Defend your cities in Tux of Math Command, an arcade game that improves arithmetic skills."
[15:06] <TLE> awesome
[15:06] <TLE> the stuff you learn about when doing translations
[15:07] <andrejz> +1 TLE: I learned about so many cool programs when translating ddtp
[15:07] <TLE> yeah
[15:08] <TLE> this is actually from the edubuntu slideshow, but I don
[15:08] <TLE> 't think you have to be a kid to try it out
[15:08] <TLE> I know I will
[15:08] <dpm> :)
[15:09] <andrejz> dpm, what do you think about 5 per day translations initiative ? is it doable?
[15:11] <dpm> andrejz, with planning and a driving force behind, everything is doable :)
[15:15] <gtriderxc> with these 5
[15:15] <gtriderxc> the problem is
[15:15] <gtriderxc> that always when I want to do only 5 things
[15:16] <gtriderxc> i end up with 55:)
[15:16] <kelemengabor> andrejz: finally, found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:16] <andrejz> that's not a problem translations wise ;)
[15:18] <andrejz> @kelemengabor: thanks
[15:19] <andrejz> @dpm: are you sure it+s #ubuntu-docs?
[15:20] <andrejz> there is nobody there
[15:20] <andrejz> is app-install-data non lang pack package?
[15:20] <dpm> andrejz, it's #ubuntu-doc
[15:21] <kelemengabor> andrejz: no, a-i-d is regular langpack-content
[15:21] <andrejz> ok
[15:34] <primes2h> Hey dpm. :-)
[15:35] <primes2h> how r u?
[15:35] <andrejz> i added a bug report for ddtp
[15:35] <andrejz> have to go - bye
[15:36] <primes2h> Are there just 2 more string in system-config-printer due to this bug fix bug #759811
[15:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 759811 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gtkbuilder files incorrectly listed in the POTFILES.in and so are not translated (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759811
[15:36] <primes2h> ?
[15:40] <dpm> hi primes2h! I'm fine, thanks :) - yeah, that surprised me too, I would have expected more, but I didn't check it out. I just manually uploaded the updated .pot file seb128 gave me
[15:50] <primes2h> dpm: we'll see, there are some that appear untranslated in the program, but they are on the po. The fix should fix that I hope.
[16:52] <dpm> henninge, all set for your appdeveloperweek session later on?
[16:53] <henninge> dpm: yup
[16:54]  * henninge is working on it to the last minute again ...
[16:54] <henninge> dpm: I will be away for the evening but back in time for the session (which is at 23h our time, right?)
[16:57]  * dpm re-checks
[16:57] <dpm> henninge, yeah
[17:00] <henninge> dpm: ok, see you then ;-)
[18:08] <serfus> X a day translation will be awesome indeed. 5 is really not enough imo
[19:44] <serfus> dpm, can you assign this bug to the Catalan team?
[19:44] <serfus> Catalan
[19:45] <serfus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/651670
[19:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651670 in ubuntu-translations "gucharmap Unicode block names: several incorrect and overly literal translations (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,New]
[19:52] <dpm> serfus, done
[19:54] <serfus> thanks
[20:49] <TLE> good evening
[20:49] <TLE> does anyone have any idea what these string for ubunt pay is about?
[20:49] <TLE> Poison server
[20:50] <TLE> Current poison
[21:05] <dpm> TLE, hm, no idear really, I hadn't seen it before
[21:06] <TLE> me neither, from what I could gather it might be some sort of stability testing function for the site, I just don't get what it is doing in the translation
[21:07] <TLE> think I going to file a bug report and ask
[21:11] <dpm> yeah, that's a good idea
[22:21] <artnay> dpm: ping
[22:21] <dpm> hey artnay
[22:21] <artnay> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-system-tools/+pots/gnome-system-tools/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Username+must+consist+of do you think this is correct?
[22:22] <artnay> I mean... must?
[22:23] <artnay> Isn't it too harsh to say so?
[22:23] <dpm> artnay, well, I'm not a native English speaker, but I'd rather say "can only consist of" or something along these lines
[22:23] <artnay> dpm: I think that's the exact wording in Maverick
[22:24] <artnay> that's why I wonder why they have changed to this sentence
[22:26] <artnay> sorry, seems like I was wrong: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2010-July/msg00092.html
[22:26] <artnay> anyways, it's a strange sentence
[22:33] <artnay> dpm: it's worth of a bug report. there isn't "must" and the window won't accept comma in user name (as the instructions say)
[22:34] <dpm> ok
[22:59] <artnay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/761180 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/761184
[22:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 761180 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Instructions for user name are wrong and wording is misleading (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[23:00] <artnay> err, it's just me. need to sleep now.
[23:01] <artnay> at least the other one is valid ;)


[01:30] <TheMuso> cyphermox: I think you forgot to push your casper changes to bzr. Don't worry about it now, I'll fix it up... I just went to upload a new revision of the package based on the bzr branch to find it rejected due to your upload...
[02:40] <Noskcaj-school> The current version of clutter-1.0 in wily is broken with many graphics card due to switching to gdk as the default backend. See bug 1462445
[02:41] <Noskcaj-school> This means totem and parole don't function with their default videosink, and many other clutter apps have issues
[02:42] <Noskcaj-school> Would it be safe to revert the change of default backend until a proper fix is found? https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/commit/?id=60dbeb9425f51fc602ba2fe89b2a968ef4b527ed
[02:46] <didrocks> Noskcaj-school: hey, Laney won't be around today if I'm right, I'll do with the revert personnaly, but I didn't update clutter for quite some years, so I would prefer to have a second opinion
[02:47] <TheMuso> Oh hey didrocks. :) Wasn't aware you were currently so closely aligned with us down under. :p
[02:48] <Noskcaj-school> didrocks: thanks. i'll link a bunch more bugs here that it should fix
[02:49] <didrocks> TheMuso: hey! my jetlag is closely aligned (already up for 5 hours) ;)
[02:49] <TheMuso> didrocks: Ah ok, that makes sense.
[02:49] <didrocks> Noskcaj-school: yeah, I bet there are quite some side-effects of this change…
[02:50] <didrocks> TheMuso: yep! on the positive side, it's only 24°C right now and not 39°C like yesterday…
[02:50] <didrocks> so working by night is quite an advantage
[02:50] <TheMuso> Yeah I can imagine, although 24 degrees overnight is still pretty warm.
[02:51] <Noskcaj-school> The revert should be safe since it's what we've had until wily, but we'll need to fix the backend itself soonish
[02:51] <didrocks> indeed, we have a hot summer here
[02:51] <didrocks> Noskcaj-school: indeed
[04:20] <pitti> Good morning
[04:33] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[04:38] <pitti> ça va didrocks !
[04:39] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi ?
[04:39] <didrocks> jetlag though, slept 3 hours, wake up at midnight… and working since then :p
[04:44] <pitti> didrocks: where did you go?
[04:45] <didrocks> Washington DC for 3 weeks
[04:45] <didrocks> just diverted to New York for 4 days :)
[04:45] <didrocks> oh, I forgot to send you this google+ post with the space food
[04:45] <didrocks> asking if you wanted more :p
[04:45] <didrocks> (I was explaining your deep interest to Julie)
[04:58] <pitti> didrocks: heh, thanks; I've had three space ice creams now, that was enough to get a feeling for it :)
[05:00] <didrocks> ah, of course, ice creams had to be involved… :)
[05:01] <didrocks> we got some frozen yogurts there, but no ice creams
[05:11] <pitti> didrocks: so did you spend a lot of time on the mall?
[05:12] <pitti> didrocks: I spent like a whole day on the Air & Space museum alone back then, and the one with the rocks and meteorites etc. (Natural History?) was also quite good
[05:12] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, we visited most of the museum around it, and did as well a lot of walking in general (25km/day in New York and between 15 to 20 kms/day in DC)
[05:13] <pitti> wow
[05:13] <didrocks> yeah, Natural History was interesting, the American history one as well
[05:13] <didrocks> the National Art Gallery was bigger than what we expected
[05:13] <pitti> didrocks: we only had one weekend after the core sprint back then, not enough to see everything :/
[05:13] <didrocks> and also we visited the capitol, the capitol library which is splendid, the supreme court…
[05:13] <pitti> oh, great! we didn't get to that; "only" the white house
[05:14] <didrocks> yeah, we even didn't visit everything we wanted, and that was in 3 weeks with almost no day off!
[05:14] <pitti> that sounds intense!
[05:14] <didrocks> yeah, we couldn't go back to white house, to many people already booked
[05:14] <didrocks> but Julie wasn't that disappointed
[05:14] <pitti> yeah, it really wasn't that big of a deal honestly
[05:14] <didrocks> agreed, we are quite used to those kind of furnitures in Europe I guess
[05:15] <didrocks> the capitol library was way more impressive
[05:15] <pitti> it's also a bit of a shame that I've been at the white house, but never yet at the "Bundeskanzleramt" in Berlin
[05:15] <pitti> I bet!
[05:16] <didrocks> ah, I guess it's always that, you visit more than people living around :)
[05:16] <didrocks> we spent the 14th of July at the embassee
[05:16] <didrocks> was surprise to see there the ex prime-minister
[05:17] <didrocks> also the imf (which is under French governance) president
[05:18] <didrocks> and the first day in DC, we crossed on a street our agriculture current minister
[05:18] <didrocks> never saw any famous politic in France, have to go to the US to see them :p
[05:18] <pitti> lol
[05:19] <didrocks> so yeah, was a really nice trip! and at least, Julie discovered a little bit of this country
[05:22] <didrocks> oh also, almost forgot
[05:22] <didrocks> the smoothest ever immigration process to the US ever
[05:22] <didrocks> 10 people in front of us
[05:23] <didrocks> (seems there were only american citizen in this flight)
[05:24] <pitti> didrocks: wow!
[05:25] <pitti> didrocks: so far my smoothest one was Austin last time
[05:25] <pitti> didrocks: with the passport machines; but even that took 10 mins (!)
[05:25] <didrocks> we couldn't get there, it's only if you ESTA was already processed manually once
[05:26] <didrocks> and I got a new one, and it was the first time for Julie…
[06:00] <didrocks> pitti: I'm probably going to take a nap. Do you mind telling to seb and will if they are looking for me that I'll be back later on? (keeping IRC on). I've already worked 8 hours anyway today, but I'll keep in touch with them at lunch time/afternoon
[06:00] <didrocks> let's see how long I can sleep… :p
[06:01] <pitti> didrocks: sure! sleep weel!
[06:01] <didrocks> thanks, ttyl!
[06:52] <larsu> hm seems like I barely missed didrocks :)
[06:52] <larsu> morning!
[07:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:04] <pitti> hey larsu, hey seb128!
[07:08] <larsu> guten morgen pitti!
[07:09] <seb128> hey pitti, happy friday! how are you?
[07:12] <pitti> seb128: quite well, thanks! yourself?
[07:12] <pitti> seb128: FYI, didrocks' body clock is still all wrong; didrocks | 00:07:09> good well, morning I guess :)
[07:13] <pitti> seb128: he went to bed an hour ago, but he'll catch up with you and will around noon
[07:14] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I read the irclog when I saw larsu's comment
[07:14] <seb128> pitti, weird jetlag shift from a trip back from US eastcoast ;-)
[07:14] <seb128> I usually sleep until like 1am when I come back
[07:15] <seb128> ups
[07:15] <seb128> 1pm I mean
[07:16] <seb128> oh, and I'm good thanks ;-)
[07:16] <pitti> yeah, maybe instead of adjusting 6 hours forward he's trying to adjust 18 hours backwards :)
[07:26] <seb128> :-)
[07:43] <seb128> pitti, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/wily/i386/ is that a new infra bug/do you want to be pinged about those?
[07:45] <pitti> seb128: I'm still regularly watching the tmpfail ones, so no need for that yet
[07:46] <pitti> seb128: that's the kind of hiccup I'm looking for indeed
[07:47] <seb128> k
[07:51] <willcooke> morning
[07:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:02] <willcooke> bah, no golf on this morning
[08:02] <willcooke> Washed out
[08:03] <willcooke> They said it rained 12mm in 30 mins this morning
[08:03] <seb128> urg
[08:03] <seb128> welcome to england!
[08:03] <willcooke> Scotland
[08:03] <willcooke> :)
[08:03] <seb128> haha
[08:03] <willcooke> Nothing to do with us ;[
[08:03] <willcooke> ;p
[08:03] <seb128> yeah yeah
[08:03] <willcooke> lol
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: so, this auto-retries up to 3 times after such a "nova boot" failure (it has a timeout of 30 mins, usually it takes 1 min)
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: so for now I take it scalingstack was down for a longer period last night
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: it already broke down for about an hour yesterday around noon, I asked and they fixed it
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: so for now I'm just re-running all tmpfail tests
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: (just FYI)
[08:06] <seb128> seems not a really reliable infrastructure :-/
[08:06] <seb128> pitti, k, thanks
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: well, this is all still fairly new, so lots of opportunities for IS to learn :) but I think they actually fixed a config bug there, it was not just a "reboot and hope" thing
[08:07] <seb128> k
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: and I can certainly improve the auto-retry thing, that's my part
[08:07] <seb128> larsu, oh btw, what's the status of the theme update? Laney if off today and you are on vac starting tonight ...
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: that's the point of running that for 2/3 weeks on the side, and seeing the fallout
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, yeah, ideally you could rely on the infra to be up, but things need to work in real world not in theory...
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: well, it's not like the four current machines never fail :)
[08:08]  * pitti strokes his sore "retry test" finger
[08:08] <seb128> lol
[08:12] <larsu> seb128: I've proposed the nautilus parts on Monday. I'll get eog and some minor things up later today (at latest on the weekend) - after I figure out this terminal resizing thing
[08:12] <seb128> larsu, k
[08:12] <larsu> what's the status on the overlay scrollbars?
[08:12] <seb128> what do you mean?
[08:13] <larsu> can we merge it?
[08:13] <seb128> I though that was part of the coming theme update
[08:13] <larsu> no, it's been proposed for a while
[08:13] <larsu> waiting on design I think
[08:13] <seb128> oh, right, willcooke was supposed to ask them?
[08:13] <larsu> I think he did and people liked it, but I don't know if that was the official answer yet
[08:13] <larsu> I'll ask him when he's around
[08:15] <seb128> k, let's land it then, I think we agreed that it was a good start in any case even if extra tweaking is needed later
[08:15] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[08:17] <seb128> larsu, the nautilus changes look good to me, approved it
[08:18] <larsu> thanks!
[08:18] <seb128> yw!
[08:24] <willcooke> larsu, seb128 - it's with johnlea.  He was due to talk to Mark about it yesterday.  We gave him a video showing the new set up and he was going to demo to Mark
[08:24] <seb128> k
[08:24] <seb128> let we know when you hear back from him
[08:24] <willcooke> I'm just trying to get hold of him now....
[08:24] <seb128> thanks
[08:26] <pitti> seb128, Laney: FYI, bug 1475537
[08:29] <seb128> shrug
[08:29] <seb128> why is that arch specific?
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, thanks for finding it out :-)
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: I just followed up again
[08:31] <seb128> thanks
[08:31] <pitti> seb128:          libmirclient-dev [amd64 arm64 armhf i386],
[08:31] <seb128> is that from a time where mir didn't exist on other archs?
[08:32] <pitti> apparently so
[08:32] <seb128> k, so we just need to drop those restrictions I guess
[08:32]  * seb128 does that
[08:32] <pitti> right
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: so build and binary deps should have the same arch list
[08:33] <pitti> either drop the build dep from powerpc/ppc64el, or drop the arch list from the -dev, depending on whether mir works on ppc
[08:34] <seb128> I don't know if it "works"
[08:34] <seb128> but it builds/should be installable
[08:34] <pitti> seb128: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/ est vert à nouveau
[08:34] <seb128> bien !
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: so I agree, just dropping the arch restriction in the -dev sounds fine for now
[08:35] <seb128> cool
[08:35] <seb128> thanks pitti
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: thanks for fixing! once this is in -proposed, I can rebuild packagekit and resolve that NBS
[08:35]  * pitti loves the pre-holiday rush
[08:36] <seb128> hehe
[08:51] <seb128> pitti, fix uploaded, I untagged the bug but maybe I should wait for gtk to build for that?
[08:51] <seb128> pitti, though there are some boottest regression in the mir stack so it's not going to migrate now anyway
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: ah, untagging sounds fine
[08:52] <seb128> good
[08:52] <pitti> seb128: that's ok -- it doesn't need to migrate to allow reverse dependencies to build
[08:52] <seb128> yeah, it was rather the other way around
[08:52] <seb128> I didn't want the current gtk to migrate before the new one builds
[09:45] <willcooke> ?
[09:45] <willcooke> oops, wrong screen
[11:09] <didrocks> pitti: seb128: so, for the record, it's weird, I couldn't sleep on the way back, so skipped a night during flight (and arrived at Frankfurt at 5am)
[11:09] <didrocks> then, waiting for the flight to Lyon, even not sleepy
[11:10] <pitti> didrocks: hey! feeling better now?
[11:10] <didrocks> I just slept for the first time yesterday from 9am to midnight and was all fresh and ready to work :p
[11:10] <didrocks> pitti: a little bit (actually, I'm awaken for an hour already, but was backlogging on email first)
[11:10] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[11:10] <didrocks> but yeah, first time I have this kind of jetlag clock
[11:12] <didrocks> I'm sure as well that the 38°C in Lyon doesn't help to have a good sleep
[11:20] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: how about sleeping on icecubes?
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> ... didier on the rocks.
[11:21] <willcooke> get your coat
[11:21] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[11:22] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[11:22]  * didrocks now considers Sweet5hark's suggestion
[11:23] <didrocks> willcooke: so, it seems like I'll do night shifts for now on :p
[11:24] <didrocks> from*
[11:24] <willcooke> ah, good - I was going to ask you if you would anyway
[11:24] <willcooke> ;)
[11:24] <willcooke> oh
[11:25] <willcooke> and day shifts too
[11:25] <didrocks> willcooke: seems like the current experiment for today anyway, right? ;)
[11:25] <willcooke> :D
[12:34]  * desrt yawns
[12:36] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:36] <desrt> hihi!
[12:37] <didrocks> morning desrt
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, hey as well :-)
[12:37] <didrocks> hey seb128 ;-)
[12:37] <seb128> (just read the irclog, my laptop was not plugged correctly and went flat during lunch)
[12:38] <didrocks> ah ok, I didn't see you leaving IRC
[12:39] <didrocks> only 45 mails to go to finish the entire backlog \o/
[12:39] <desrt> hellos to everyone!!
[15:04] <Sweet5hark> LibreOffice on wayland via gdk/gtk3: http://caolanm.blogspot.de/2015/07/libreoffice-on-wayland.html
[15:24] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, neat!
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: btw the current prereleases also default to use gtk3 right now still. But I guess I will still revert to gtk2 for us as default as a/ I dont know how stable gtk3 is now IRL b/ gtk3-foo currently has no gmenumodel-dbus-unity-foo right now.
[15:32] <willcooke> kk
[15:33] <Sweet5hark> (for wily. it looks rather stable, so should be good for anything later)
[15:35] <davidbarth> willcooke: hey Will; sorry if that's a faq, but i there a quick way to switch between the desktop greeter and the "touch" one on wily?
[15:35] <davidbarth> i booted on a daily image with the touch greeter and after an upgrade i'm getting the desktop greeter
[15:36] <willcooke> hummm
[15:36] <willcooke> if you set the session to U8 and login from the initial greeter
[15:36] <willcooke> do you get the U8 greeter?
[15:36] <seb128> yes
[15:36] <davidbarth> actually i can't login but i don't see anything in .xsession-errors
[15:37] <davidbarth> ah, in .cache/upstart/unity8.log, where it belongs ;)
[15:38] <davidbarth> mir failes to find platform for current system
[15:39] <seb128> is mir-graphics-drivers-desktop installed?
[15:40] <davidbarth> seb128: yes, 0.13.3+15.10.20150617
[15:40] <seb128> k, dunno then
[15:40] <seb128> what's your issue exactly?
[15:41] <davidbarth> session fails to start
[15:41] <seb128> you try to log into an unity8 session from unity-greeter and you get back to the greeter?
[15:41] <davidbarth> i'll keep digging, just getting myself used to the setup
[15:41] <davidbarth> seb128: yes, exactly
[15:41] <seb128> is that a new install?
[15:41] <davidbarth> yes
[15:41] <seb128> try to rm .cache/upstart and /var/log/lightdm
[15:41] <davidbarth> daily image install in vmware + apt-get upgrade
[15:41] <seb128> then restart lightdm, try to log in
[15:41] <davidbarth> ok
[15:41] <seb128> oh, vmware
[15:41] <seb128> could be that you are on software rendering
[15:41] <seb128> that mir doesn't support
[15:42] <davidbarth> but it worked initally, so it shouldn't be that bad
[15:42] <seb128> you can try to check the /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log
[15:42] <davidbarth> ah ok, i will check that as well
[15:42] <davidbarth> that makes for a lot of tracks to follow; thanks seb128
[15:43] <seb128> yw
[15:58] <davidbarth> seb128: the rm's made it work again; also i had to generate the ssh host key manually, which the setup had failed to generate
[15:58] <davidbarth> now i can debug the rest
[16:10] <willcooke> davidbarth, seb128 I've seen that ssh issue a few times now
[16:11] <willcooke> I'll do a bit of digging


[07:42] <andrejz> hello kelemengabor
[07:42] <andrejz> i have a question for you ;)
[07:43] <andrejz> i checked the 12.04 translations series
[07:43] <kelemengabor> good morning andrejz
[07:43] <andrejz> for example for slovenian you can see it here - https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/sl
[07:43] <kelemengabor> got it
[07:43] <andrejz> i noticed many templates are untranslated
[07:43] <andrejz> even though they are translated in 11.10 . It's similar for many languages
[07:44] <kelemengabor> I guess they are being imported or something
[07:44] <andrejz> probably something is wrong with translations sharing
[07:44] <andrejz> oh, or that
[07:44] <kelemengabor> I checked this page one or two days ago for hu
[07:44] <kelemengabor> nothing was translated there back then
[07:45] <kelemengabor> now it looks similar to yours
[07:45] <kelemengabor> I don't think there is a reason to worry :)
[07:45] <andrejz> ok
[07:46] <andrejz> i just checked it today
[07:46] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+imports?field.filter_status=APPROVED&field.filter_extension=pot
[07:46] <kelemengabor> yup, import in progress
[07:47] <andrejz> ok cool
[07:49] <andrejz> also it would be great if we could set the priorities correct beofre we open translations
[07:51] <andrejz> so any help is much appriciated
[07:51] <andrejz> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US#gid=1
[07:51] <andrejz> i started looking at it just now
[07:52] <andrejz> kelemengabor how can i see which packages are in the default install? i used a manifest file
[07:52] <andrejz> but i only source packages are listed
[07:54] <kelemengabor> andrejz: well, on the https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+templates page, the source packages are listed too
[07:54] <kelemengabor> so you can start from there, I guess
[07:55] <andrejz> sure but often i source package has several templates
[07:56] <andrejz> so if i know which source packages are in the default install I cannot know directly which templates are used in the default install
[07:56] <kelemengabor> hm, isn't always all of them?
[07:56] <andrejz> I am not sure
[07:57] <andrejz> if that's true then this will be much easier
[08:00] <kelemengabor> well, if there is only one template for the given source package, it is surely true
[08:00] <andrejz> sure but kdepim or okular have lots of templates
[08:02] <kelemengabor> I have no idea for that case :(
[08:08] <andrejz> These template priorities are dragging for a long time now
[08:32] <andrejz> if anyone is willing to help
[08:32] <andrejz> i am done with 60, 140 remaining - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US#gid=1
[08:44] <andrejz> does anyone know if decision to remove tomboy from default is final?
[09:09] <andrejz> kelemengabor, do you happen to kow how visible are policiykit strings?
[09:34] <kelemengabor> andrejz: you mean those from the policykit package?
[09:35] <andrejz> yes
[09:35] <andrejz> do they appear in confiramtion dialogs where you need to type in sudo password?
[09:38] <kelemengabor> well, not too much, but sometimes they do. for example, when you run into an authentication dialog, which does not specify its .policy file with specific strings, you get these, like defaults
[09:38] <kelemengabor> one such example is mounting the virtualbox guest addons iso, and running the autorun script on it
[09:38] <andrejz> ok, so it should be ranked quite high
[09:39] <kelemengabor> yes
[09:40] <kelemengabor> higher than KDE, but not much
[09:41] <kelemengabor> oh, while we are at it, mountall should be treated the same
[09:42] <kelemengabor> currently, its priority is pretty low, but when your system cannot mount a drive or has to check one of the hard drives at boot, you see its strings
[09:43] <kelemengabor> also command-not-found is ranked lower than it should
[09:43] <kelemengabor> sorry, things are coming into my mind :)
[09:44] <andrejz> ok i will fix that
[09:44] <andrejz> now i am halfway done but don't know what to do about 1 source package a lot of templates case - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US#gid=1
[09:46] <andrejz> i have put command not found between KDE and docs
[09:47] <andrejz> is dpm around these days ?
[09:49] <andrejz> i don't know whether i should wait for him or send him an email
[09:52] <kelemengabor> better send a mail :)
[10:12] <sagaci> andrejz: how do you decide priority?
[10:13] <andrejz> depending on expected visibility for the user
[10:13] <andrejz> we use this as a guideline
[10:13] <andrejz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TemplatesPriority
[10:16] <sagaci> are you just manually adding them to the spreadsheet or some kind of automatic inputting
[10:18] <andrejz> I went to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+templates
[10:18] <andrejz> arranged by priority
[10:18] <andrejz> and copied all templates with priority 0 into google docs
[10:19] <sagaci> ah ok
[10:19] <andrejz> you can also edit template priorities directly from LP but it takes longer
[10:19] <andrejz> so now we plan to finish editing all values
[10:20] <andrejz> and then export to .csv
[10:20] <andrejz> then you can run a script which sets all priorities according to .csv file
[10:21] <andrejz> So what needs to be determined for these templates is if they are in default install or not
[10:21] <andrejz> if they are they fit into GUI, default, KDE 5000 - 5499, otherwise GUI, non-default, other 2500 - 2999
[10:22] <sagaci> also, where was that spec or wiki page for the universe templates proposed for translation?
[10:28] <andrejz> Here are some suggestions - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Universe_Translations_in_LP
[10:28] <andrejz> I just mailed dpm about what the next step should be
[10:42] <andrejz> i just added some more background info on that page if you are interested sagaci


[04:31] <Chat4580> hey everyone
[10:00] <tdr112> morning
[10:01] <czajkowski> hey]
[10:02] <tdr112> hey czajkowski
[10:02] <czajkowski> tdr112: how's you?
[10:02] <czajkowski> college going well
[10:03] <czajkowski> ohhh we may be taking on interns/co-op placement students
[10:03] <tdr112> i have this week off start back next week , have been doing my final year project
[10:03] <tdr112> cool
[10:03] <czajkowski> hows that going ?
[10:04] <tdr112> ebel: slashtom did you take any photos on ssaturday that i could link to in the team report
[10:04] <ebel> tdr112: yes, sorta
[10:04] <tdr112> not too bad , missed a few weeks on it when i was sick so lets to do
[10:04] <ebel> gimmie a few mins
[10:04] <tdr112> ebel: no rush i will do it this afternoon
[10:51] <czajkowski> can someone from the irish team reply to daniel holbach mail re loco censuts
[10:51] <czajkowski> *census
[10:51] <czajkowski> we've only had 25 out of 180 teams reply
[11:03] <ebel> yeah i skimmed that message
[11:05] <ebel> Seems a lot based on launchpad
[11:30]  * slashtom sees cztab emailing his old uni's job list
[11:34] <czajkowski> aye
[11:34] <czajkowski> :)
[11:35] <slashtom> tis hard recruiting
[11:35] <czajkowski> yup
[11:35] <czajkowski> :s
[11:35] <czajkowski> and ones who have a clue aboit open souce
[11:44] <ebel> tdr112: you can see some bowling photos here http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/tags/ubuntuie
[11:45] <tdr112> ebel: thanks
[11:58] <czajkowski> I really would like AIB to win  http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2011/0201/1224288694835.html?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d47e57a23297b67,0
[12:08] <ebel> hehehe
[12:08] <ebel> all the big consultancy companies are like this
[12:08] <ebel> Complete waste of money
[12:09] <slashtom> aye, and there is little love in the world for oracle
[22:29] <airurando> evening infoturtle
[22:29] <infoturtle> how do airurando
[22:30] <airurando> you feeling better?
[22:30] <infoturtle> much, just just takes time
[22:30] <infoturtle> *it
[22:30] <airurando> glad to hear it
[22:31] <infoturtle> any word on how your father is?
[22:31] <airurando> he's better thanks but still in the regional
[22:32] <czajkowski> airurando: oh noes :(
[22:32] <infoturtle> good, always good to hear people are on the mend
[22:32] <airurando> still don't know about if I'll be going down tomorrow or thursday
[22:32] <airurando> howdy czajkowski
[22:33] <infoturtle> no pressure, if you don't come down we'll work around it
[22:33] <airurando> brother and sisters got in to see him yesterday but no visitors allowed today.
[22:34] <airurando> will find out in the morning if it's go or no go.
[22:34] <infoturtle> no visitors all day? thats odd
[22:34] <infoturtle> like I said no presure and just let me know
[22:35] <airurando> Regional is closed to visitors to all patients with the exception of 'critical' patients.
[22:35] <infoturtle> I'll be back to bus grabing health before you know it
[22:35] <infoturtle> oh, didn't know that
[22:35] <czajkowski> aye happens with flu outbreak
[22:36] <czajkowski> helps stop it spreading
[22:36] <airurando> aye indeed
[22:36] <czajkowski> frustraing for patients and family
[22:36] <airurando> aye again
[22:36] <infoturtle> well, you can't fault that kinda logic, it sound effective
[22:36] <airurando> I can fault it.
[22:36] <infoturtle> well yes
[22:37] <infoturtle> from that point of view
[22:37] <czajkowski> aye
[22:37] <airurando> Improve cleaning and hygiene standards.
[22:38] <airurando> one of our main worries is the possibility that he may come out with swine flu!!
[22:39] <infoturtle> ya, that would be great if he didn't, can't believe thats still going around!!
[22:40] <airurando> anyhow, I do hope to get down to Limerick and meet up with infoturtle :)
[22:40] <airurando> will keep you posted.
[22:40] <infoturtle> its a shame that I couldn't make it up cos I am mad to meet more of the team, but when/if you're down we can grab a coffee if you want
[22:41] <infoturtle> cool, just let me know
[22:41] <infoturtle> I'll get back to work then