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[01:34] <callmepk> good morning
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[02:11] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master d2a9363 Marco Trevisan * pushed 78 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3MFJM
[02:11] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 38e31b9 Carlos Garnacho src/st/st-widget.c * st: Ensure to reset all widget theme nodes * https://deb.li/IFT1
[02:11] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 1a5a016 Will Thompson js/misc/systemActions.js * systemActions: include ASCII alternatives in search index * https://deb.li/3eBPN
[02:11] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 006d0e8 Jakub Steiner data/theme/gnome-shell-sass/widgets/_calendar.scss * theme: tone down weekend with events * https://deb.li/3kbOV
[02:11] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 443d615 Florian Müllner src/st/st-entry.c * st/entry: Allow hint actor to shrink * https://deb.li/iWXGg
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[02:18] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:18] <callmepk> Morning duflu
[05:24] <jibel> hi all
[05:39] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:31] <seb128> goood morning dektopers
[06:31] <duflu> Hi seb128. How goes?
[06:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:32] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:32] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:33] <seb128> hey duflu, oSoMoN, how are you?
[06:33] <seb128> duflu, I'm good thanks :)
[06:34] <duflu> seb128, going OK. I feel we are over the main hump of focal bug reports and can get back to normal life, so that's good
[06:35] <seb128> great
[06:35] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm very good and well rested, thanks
[06:42] <duflu> oSoMoN, I'm getting excited... bug 1811219
[06:49] <oSoMoN> duflu, very nice!
[06:49] <oSoMoN> and good job tracking this upstream
[08:21] <seb128> RAOF, hey, about bug #1873658 ... does it really need a new upload or can it be moved back out of the rejected queue?
[08:23] <RAOF> Pretty sure that can be fished out of the rejected queue.
[08:24] <RAOF> Although a new upload is also cheap.
[09:36] <seb128> RAOF, sorry I overlooked your reply for some reason, would a new upload make it easier? the bug got updated and upload to G is on its way
[09:44] <RAOF> seb128: sorry, I'm past EOD. A new upload would get it on the regular queue, otherwise you'll need to ping someone (which could be me, but I'd get to it tomorrow)
[09:45] <seb128> RAOF, no hurry, it can wait, have a nice evening!
[09:46] <seb128> I was more curious about the process
[10:37] <RAOF> seb128: In general, another upload is cheap (you should be able to use the same .changes file), and gets it back onto the regular queue. But poking someone is also acceptable.
[10:41] <seb128> RAOF, k, I'm not used to reject for valid uploads where bug is lacking details, but I guess it's a way to keep the queue status clean for you :)
[10:44] <RAOF> I'm not consistent in doing that, but it does sometimes get wearying to process the same bug over and over 😀
[10:44] <RAOF> Not that it happened here, though.
[10:46] <RAOF> From memory my reasoning was “that sounds like something that might break flavours, and no one has responded to the request for additional details for some days, so…”
[10:46] <RAOF> Uploads are cheap 😉
[12:29] <ogra> oSoMoN, "msg='apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="system" path="/" interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Peer" member="Ping" mask="send" name="org.freedesktop.Avahi" pid=431942 label="snap.chromium.chromium"" is that a new thing ? (noticed it some time in the beginning of this week, looks like chromium wants avahi access)
[12:30] <oSoMoN> ogra, I hadn't noticed, that sounds like possibly a new thing indeed
[12:30] <ogra> looks like it is re-occuring at a fixed 5min cadence over here
[12:33] <oSoMoN> ogra, I'm making a note to take a look later, that doesn't sound too worrying but it would be good to understand why it's doing this anyway
[12:33] <ogra> yeah, only spamming the logs ... i havent noticed any issues or anything
[12:34] <oSoMoN> interestingly, my journal only have similar denials for the libreoffice snap, not for chromium
[12:34] <oSoMoN> s/have/has/
[12:35] <oSoMoN> (and I have chromium running all day long)
[12:36] <ogra> funny
[12:37] <ogra> i wonder if we see a snapd/snap-confinement bug
[13:34] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, thanks for the .2 updates :)
[13:34] <Trevinho> :)
[13:35] <Trevinho> I wanted to fix few things first but shoould be quite good overall
[13:36] <seb128> Trevinho, :-)
[13:37] <seb128> Trevinho, btw I confirmed bug #1877108 , I guess its a simple inverted logic bug in your previous fixes
[13:37] <seb128> Trevinho, when selecting 'launcher on display 1' it ends up on display 2
[13:37] <seb128> and reverse, selecting 2 makes it be on 1
[13:38] <Trevinho> seb128: oh!
[13:38] <Trevinho> seb128: once I'm done with a Xorg bug (the one for 2 pointers) I want to look at g-c-c issues
[13:38] <seb128> Trevinho, k, no hurry, we aren't going to fail the current SRU on that so it's not for before next week anyway for a new upload
[13:38] <Trevinho> k
[13:53] <ogra> kenvandine, while i dont have anything particular for our 1:1 today ... how about the plan to widen the meeting a bit and include other people ...
[13:57] <seb128> kenvandine, ogra, I would be happy to join another time bug not today, in middle of other things
[13:59] <ogra> seb128, well, i dont think it is clear yet who should attend and when we'll hold it ... i dont think thu 15:00 UTC  is set in stone
[14:01] <kenvandine> ogra: that's planned for next week
[14:01] <ogra> ah, k
[14:01] <kenvandine> 12 people starting next week :)
[14:01] <kenvandine> see you then
[14:01] <ogra> hah, good !
[14:54] <luna_> Any Ubuntu translators meeting today in 7 minutes?
[15:08] <luna_> Gonna watch the webinar today joining in 28 minutes
[15:43] <luna_> Joined todays Ubuntu 20.04 and 20.10 Closed/Public Alpha webinar now
[16:29] <Trevinho> seb128: I've linked a wrong bug in mutter changelog, maybe it's better to fix that for focal not to have the SRU stuff to happen in a wrong one no?
[16:29] <Trevinho> so maybe you could reject so I push a fixed one
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[16:45] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 14fc531 Marco Trevisan * pushed 376 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/ecUD
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[17:10] <seb128> Trevinho, k
[17:11] <seb128> Trevinho, you can upload the same version again, I will reject the previou one
[17:12] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, but that's already in git, so maybe I prefer not to force-push, as team prefers
[17:12] <Trevinho> seb128: also got an eamil about https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/fprintd/-/issues/23, not sure we want to change that as could be part of 2.0
[17:33] <seb128> Trevinho, seems fine for new cycle, we should discuss it still to see how we feel about it
[17:34] <Trevinho> yeah, as Bastien wants it part of fprintd2.0
[17:34] <Trevinho> so not sure whether we'll SRU that or not
[17:41] <seb128> probably but we can revert unwante changes
[17:41] <seb128> ricotz, hey, did you try to debug the libreoffice/help issue?
[18:10] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 4aaccc5 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * debian/changelog: Use proper bug reference for compiler-warning bug * https://deb.li/hXBh
[18:11] <Trevinho> seb128: ^ re-uploaded
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[18:12] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/focal dc2a4ed Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/1BK1
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[18:34] <ricotz> seb128, hi, no
[18:35] <oSoMoN> seb128, I cannot upload adwaita-icon-theme to groovy, but I merged and pushed all the changes to https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/adwaita-icon-theme/-/tree/ubuntu/master
[18:36] <oSoMoN> could you please sponsor it? I'll then do the paperwork and prepare the SRU to focal
[18:37] <GunnarHj> Some core dev who can unlink simple-scan from upstream series (to fix a translation import issue)?
[18:37] <GunnarHj> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/simple-scan/+sharing-details
[18:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: Are you still there? You know well what this is about. ^
[18:38] <GunnarHj> oSoMoN: Can you help with this? ^
[18:39] <oSoMoN> GunnarHj, can try but I'm not a core dev
[18:40] <GunnarHj> oSoMoN: Ah, then I don't think it will work. I tried and failed...
[19:54] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [open] merge request !18: account-fingerprint: Don't make flowbox children selectable * https://deb.li/3Gjuh
[20:49] <seb128> GunnarHj, k, done now
[21:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks!


 Wow 😲 things are really getting going, and I am super excited. I can get a draft proposal for tiered support from free community to paid, and enterprise grade put together on our KDE Invent, leave it with me and I share it back when ready for comment. Let's not get hung up on channels of communication, that's all up in the air and it will only deflect our energy. Once we have a commented proposal ready for Council consideration
 Hello KC friends, here is the draft of a decision briefing for the Council.
 https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/2024-25-strategic-plan/-/issues/24
 An additional more Urgent Decision Driefing, which I have also posted to the ML
 https://invent.kde.org/teams/distribution-kubuntu/2024-25-strategic-plan/-/issues/25
 @sgmoore @RikMills  I have Jan R in Kubuntu Development on Matrix, he's got a build and install of Plasma 6 and I thought it might be of interest to you guys. https://matrix.to/#/#kubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com
 Saw that. Using kdesrc-build which is all source builds. Doesn't help us with packaging  :)
 Ah ok
[19:11] <sgmoore> Hi all, I just recieved devistating news that my son has passed away. I need a few days to pull my self together and head to Phoenix to take care of funeral arrangements. I am so sorry.
 Oh I'm so sorry Scarlett
 Take care of yourself
 Thank you
[19:30] <valorie> sgmoore: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[19:31] <valorie> you have my number if you want to talk
[19:31] <valorie> :-(
[19:31] <valorie> I'm so sorry
[19:31] <valorie> this is devastating
 Thank you ❤ I will call you when I can think straight.
[19:33] <valorie> any time
[19:33] <valorie> wish I could hug you in person
 I can feel your wonderful hug in spirit.
[19:35] <valorie> lighting a candle for you all
 Oh my dearest @sgmoore I am so sorry to hear this news. Take all the time you need, we are here if you need anything ❤
 Thank you all
 Scarlett, I am so sorry. Take care.
 Thank you
 @sgmoore I sent you a message on Matrix btw
 If you want it on Telegram just say the word :)
 OK, I closed up laptop,  yes please
[22:40] <mparillo> Rick, I saw you posted a link to #kubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com I used that as a template to also find Kubuntu Discussion and Kubuntu Support. Do you understand the Matrix Hierarchy? I wonder if they can be symlinked under Ubuntu Community as well, so they are close to Ubuntu Flavors?
[22:42] <mparillo> Best wishes to you, Scarlett. I lost my elderly parents, and that was difficult enough. I cannot imagine losing one of my children.


[08:59] <Scary_Guy> should have gone with goat-se
[11:23] <waldo323> i was going to say good morning but then i saw the last message
[12:03] <Scary_Guy> :D
[12:59] <cmaloney> howdy
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> morning
[13:11] <cmaloney> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/rhythmbox/issues/936
[13:12] <cmaloney> Apparently GNOME is moving to gitlab and they migrated my issue over and marked it as obsolete
[13:12] <cmaloney> now I have closure. :)
[13:13] <Scary_Guy> lol
[14:06] <waldo323> is that really a good thing?
[14:07] <waldo323> or is it truely obsolete due to newer versions?
[14:09] <cmaloney> I don't think Rhythmbox still talks to Magnatune
[14:09] <cmaloney> since Magnatune changed their whole business model in the interim
[14:09] <waldo323> ah
[14:36] <brousch> At least it's just the bug that's obsolete, not you
[14:37] <cmaloney> It's implied. ;)
[17:11] <greg-g> cmaloney: I got one from a Launchpad bug I was subscribed to for rhythmbox as well: "cannot burn playlists as data only as audio CD" -> expired :)
[17:11] <greg-g> "who uses CDs anymore?" ;)
[17:11] <greg-g> says the guy with a tape deck in his car
[17:12] <cmaloney> I fixed my Yamaha CD player
[17:12] <cmaloney> but it was mostly because it was a quick fix and I adore this CD player
[17:12] <cmaloney> CDC-735
[17:13] <cmaloney> But it's also next to the Squeezebox Classic
[17:14] <cmaloney> in the basement


[06:43] <racism> Mister_Q: hello
[06:43] <racism> Observe the /topic
[06:43] <racism> !ops
[06:48] <OerHeks> ogra, plz reverse the topic, i have no example
[06:48] <racism> OerHeks: lol
[06:48] <racism> scroll up
[06:48] <OerHeks> we'll deal with you later, racism
[06:48] <racism> to whenever it was last changes ir u joined
[06:48] <duflu> It was...
[06:48] <duflu> https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10
[06:48] <duflu> Oops
[06:48] <duflu> Hmm
[06:49] <pitti> ogra: oh dear, danke
[06:49] <OerHeks> ty
[06:49] <pitti> OerHeks: not just kick, please ban
[06:49] <pitti> sorry, ogra ^
[06:49] <pitti> he was already here yesterday
[06:49] <Mister_Q> morning ogra o/
[06:49] <ogra> pitti, i banned first
[06:50] <pitti> ogra: please kickban him from #u-devel too
[06:50] <ogra> i cant
[06:50] <ogra> not an op there
[06:50] <pitti> oh, too bad; so needs cjwatson or Unit193
[06:50] <pitti> all the other folks in !ops have left long ago :(
[06:50] <duflu> Does kick/ban work by user ID or IP too?
[06:51] <ogra> well, freenode staff can do it too
[06:51] <pitti> ok, let's just stay quiet then to not feed him further
[06:51] <duflu> Aaaaand morning pitti, ogra, Europe
[06:51] <pitti> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:51] <duflu> pitti: Good, you?
[06:52] <pitti> I'm great, thanks
[06:56] <krowv> Just posted to the mailing list, pasting link here in case anyone has ideas:  https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22174.html
[06:58] <learnbsd> krowv: well so you're in the bootloader...fastboot over the recovery, system image, boot.img, and etc you want to try
[06:59] <krowv> learnbsd: none of the fastboot commands seem to “see” anything
[07:00] <learnbsd> hmm
[07:00] <learnbsd> check heimdall?
[07:00] <learnbsd> yeah that'd be it...most samsungs use heimdall (oss odin) instead of fastboot
[07:01] <krowv> how to I check heimdall?
[07:01] <learnbsd> you can flash partitions separately, change the pit, backup, etc from there
[07:01] <learnbsd> uhm install it (it's in the aur for arch idk about other distrobutions)
[07:01] <krowv> ok, looks like a different toolset.  heimdall-flash?
[07:01] <learnbsd> and click check device.
[07:02] <learnbsd> yeah there's a gui one too again its in the aur
[07:03] <krowv> yeah, looks like ubuntu 16.04 has a gui frontend as well
[07:03] <learnbsd> there you go :)
[07:03] <learnbsd> ought to get you started at least..i'm off to bed it's 2am.
[07:03] <learnbsd> good luck
[07:04] <krowv> ok, gives me a new direction to look
[07:04] <krowv> thanks
[07:26] <racism> ogra: lol
[07:26] <racism> i'm back
[07:28] <duflu> pitty: ^
[07:28] <duflu> pitti: ^^
[07:28] <OerHeks> He must be so lonely.
[07:29] <pitti> ogra: kickban and +t ?
[07:30] <popey> thanks k1l
[07:51] <learnbsd> hi popey
[07:51] <popey> hello learnbsd
[07:52] <learnbsd> did you ever get the 64gb meizu pro 5 android working?
[07:52] <learnbsd> i wouldn't get lte on it here in the usa but still considering getting one
[07:53] <learnbsd> bought a nexus 5 and 4 (oddly enough they're the same damn price somehow) for now anyway not in a hurry ...but it still looks nice
[07:54] <popey> not me personally, I don't own one
[07:54] <popey> learnbsd: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103449842981186239877/posts/RBDbK82Lt83
[07:55] <learnbsd> yeah thought he said in unplugged wasn't sure if it'd work on the 64gb one...but said it should
[07:56] <learnbsd> 'll try on my nexus 4 and 5 when they get here and keep my oneplus on CM for now as my main phone
[07:57] <learnbsd> depending how that gous i'll buy one of the pro 5's and find out.  Thanks
[08:41] <ondra> divis1969 john-mcaleely no back online, only had yesterday off
[09:01] <robinhero> Hi! My ssh connections disconnect if I change from terminal to an other running app. Is there a way to change this behaviour?
[09:07] <duflu> Hmm, I recall other people mentioning that bug. I think it's due to the phone SIGSTOP'ing background apps. Don't remember if there was a solution
[09:19] <popey> robinhero: duflu you can install tweak tool from the open store (open.uappexplorer.com) which lets you set the flag on apps to not die, works perfectly
[09:20] <duflu> popey: Cool, but I wonder why U8 (and U7 for some things) need tweak tools. Seems like it's always something that should be a standard setting
[09:20] <popey> ask tvoss :)
[09:24] <duflu> Same issue with discoverability of apps actually in Unity 7. We're not doing enough to sell the idea of the platform to the user without them being committed already to wanting to hack things
[09:25] <mcphail> It would be interesting to see a build for the phone without the SIGSTOPs. I wonder if it would be more or less usable?
[09:26] <duflu> mcphail: I wouldn't encourage it. With enough concerns about performance we don't want to do something that definitely hurts performance
[09:26] <duflu> and battery
[09:29] <mcphail> duflu: I still get a day's worth of battery if I leave an app running in the background. OK, 1 day is less than 5, but I'd rather have 1 day of function than 5 days of nothing
[09:30] <duflu> I mean I support users being allowed to do whatever they want. But power savings should be enabled by default for a phone
[09:31] <mcphail> duflu: to such extremes?
[09:32] <duflu> Yes, I think it's reasonable. Not extreme
[09:33] <mcphail> duflu: Well, the chosen balance bemuses me and many others. The lack of background app support is a major issue
[09:34] <mcphail> Most people are used to charging their phones daily, these days
[09:34] <duflu> mcphail: Oh yes in that way I agree it's extreme to not give the user the option. Not extreme to default to power saving
[09:34] <mcphail> duflu: well, all the user sees is the default experience is broken
[09:35] <duflu> Incidentally, I use ssh on chromebooks and it always survives the chromebook being asleep. It should be possible to avoid disconnect
[09:35] <ogra> robinhero, fg ssh
[09:35] <ogra> it doesnt get killed
[09:36] <ogra> it gets put into bg
[09:36] <ogra> so just a simple fg shoujld get you the session back
[09:36] <duflu> ogra: We're talking about blocking SIGSTOP I think
[09:37] <ogra> well, he was asking about his ssh connection :)
[09:37] <ogra> it keeps running but gets backgrounded
[09:38] <duflu> ogra: I believe the SIGSTOP applies to the whole process group. Backgrounding is not a workaround. But ssh should be able to survive being frozen. So we shouldn't need to stop using SIGSTOP
[09:38] <ogra> i didnt say its a workaround, i say that is what happens :)
[09:39] <ogra> if you bring the terminal into focus and run a new ssh each time you end up with a ton of backgrounded ssh's
[09:40] <ogra> if the terminal gets unfocused it calls "bg $whatever_process_is_running"
[09:42] <ogra> i'm not saying we shouldnt exclude the terminal by default from suspending (which is a trivialö addition to a gsettings key btw)
[09:44] <ogra> gsettings get com.canonical.qtmir lifecycle-exempt-appids
[09:44] <ogra> just add 'com.ubuntu.terminal' to the list using gsettings set ... and it wont get suspended when unfocused
[09:49] <popey> jgdx: my pro 5 is running 171 according to system-image-cli, but system settings has an update for 170 in the list, and refuses to install it (unsurprisingly).
[09:49] <popey> jgdx: wondering how my phone could have got in this mess?
[09:50] <popey> system-image-cli -n, says I'm "already up to date"
[09:50] <popey> I assume 171 is the latest for the pro 5 in rc-proposed
[09:50]  * ogra is on 171
[09:50] <jgdx> i think we're at 172, but yes, it's weird
[09:50]  * popey reboots
[09:50] <jgdx> bbbbbut
[09:51] <popey> I had a boot loop yesterday, restarted and 171 magically appeared
[09:51] <popey> well, unity8 crash loop, not a boot loop
[09:51] <jgdx> popey, you could ship me your update .db
[09:51] <popey> okay
[09:51] <popey> where is that?
[09:51] <jgdx> popey, .local/share/ubuntu-system-settings/updatestore.db
[09:52] <popey> is it okay to share publicly?
[09:52] <jgdx> also, if visiting the updates panel doesn't take care of marking 170 as installed, please send me .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log as well
[09:52] <jgdx> popey, i'd rather you not
[09:52] <popey> ok
[09:54] <popey> jgdx: sent
[09:54] <jgdx> popey, thanks!
[09:56] <jgdx> popey, looks nominal, let me know what happens after the reboot. Thank you
[09:57] <duflu> popey: :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1578469
[10:15] <popey> jgdx: http://imgur.com/a/GN38w still offering me 170
[10:15] <jgdx> popey, could you go to About -> Check for updates?
[10:16] <popey> same
[10:23] <jgdx> popey, could you file a bug?
[10:25] <popey> sure thing
[10:27] <Saviq> mardy, hey, when trying to add a U1 account on my laptop (xenial+overlay) I'm getting a header "Ubuntu One" and blank below, that known?
[10:27] <Saviq> confirmed on u7 and u8
[10:29] <jgdx> popey, so weird though, how did you apply 171?
[10:36] <jgdx> popey, and you can just nuke your updatedb if you want that thing gone
[10:41] <popey> jgdx: i applied 171 just via u-s-s
[10:42] <jgdx> popey, okay
[10:42] <popey> nuked the db
[10:42] <popey> it now says "up to date"
[10:55] <jgdx> popey, has your upgrades the last two weeks been linear? You've gone from 168, 169, …, 171?
[10:55] <popey> jgdx: i may have skipped one of two, but I didnt go backwards
[10:55] <popey> s/of/or/
[10:56] <jgdx> popey, okay, thank yo
[10:56] <jgdx> y
[11:06] <Elleo> popey: https://asteroidos.org/ <-- libhybris based OS on smartwatches. Would it be wrong to grab one and make an ubuntu watch...
[11:12] <popey> Elleo: wow
[11:12] <Elleo> popey: I know it'd be a waste of time and money, but I'm super tempted :P
[11:12] <popey> haha :)
[11:13] <popey> problem is I like the pebble so much that any other device (with poor battery life) will be a step down
[11:14] <popey> even if you can run "top" on it :)
[11:16] <jgdx> popey, did you intentionally mark bug 1619605 as private? I can't access it
[11:16] <popey> jgdx: oh, sorry
[11:18] <popey> just subscribed you, so you should see it now?
[11:18] <Elleo> popey: yeah, I'd kind of like something with a heartrate monitor though; but might just wait for the new pebbles assuming they'll still be rockwork compatible
[11:19] <popey> they should be
[11:19] <Elleo> good
[11:19] <popey> I backed the new pebble on kickstater
[11:19] <mardy> Saviq: hi! yes, but I'm not sure if there's a bug already
[11:19]  * mardy looks
[11:20] <jgdx> popey, thanks
[11:20] <mardy> Saviq: no bug yet; if other plugins work, I would tend to blame ubuntuone-credentials
[11:30] <Saviq> mardy, ack
[12:54] <linmob> popey: Which Pebble do you have right now (if any, but iirc you've got one)?
[12:56] <brunch875> what the hell
[12:56]  * linmob updated his Pebble Time Steel yesterday using Rockwork. Worked flawlessly.
[12:56] <brunch875> I had no idea what pebble was so I just launched google and started typing "kickstarter"
[12:56] <brunch875> it autocompleted with pebble
[12:56]  * brunch875 is scared
[12:56] <popey> linmob: PT
[12:57] <linmob> popey: Nice. How do you like the new 4.0 software?
[12:57] <popey> dunno, mine is broken
[12:58] <linmob> popey: That is sad.
[12:58] <popey> yeah
[12:58] <popey> cover came off
[12:58] <popey> need to stick it back on, but I have no padding to do that
[12:59] <linmob> ouch.
[13:00] <linmob> Where to help with translations, btw?
[13:00] <popey> translations of?
[13:01] <linmob> Well, the new parts in rc.proposed that still need a translation to German :)
[13:09] <linmob> (In a recent Landing Team post on the ubuntu-phone team ML it was mentioned that translations needed review. I am a lousy programmer, but working as an editor and being an avid user of ubuntu phone I felt that might be able to contribute.)
[13:12] <popey> Ah excellent.
[13:12] <popey> dpm: is your translation page still working?
[13:12] <popey> dpm: or do we need to move it somewhere else? (Happy to take a look)
[13:29] <dpm> popey, I've not looked at it in a while, let me check
[14:16] <autra> hi :-) Can someone help me diagnose what's wrong with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1610650 ?
[14:19] <autra> more generally, I can't clone anything from https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com...
[14:20] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, any idea
[14:21] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, autra, I suspect the server is just dead, and needs a kick. What error do you get when cloning?
[14:22] <autra> john-mcaleely, I have the same feeling, the error is : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1610650/comments/3
[14:22] <john-mcaleely> ah, yes, 503 unavailable
[14:22] <autra> it happens after hanging a while on "* upload completely sent off: 774 out of 774 bytes" (with all the trace activated in git I can think of)
[14:22] <john-mcaleely> that's the symptom of needing a kick
[14:23] <autra> yep :-)
[14:23] <john-mcaleely> I'll get that done. may take a while to track down a suitable operator
[14:23] <autra> awesome, thanks!
[14:24] <autra> john-mcaleely, the servers seem to have been down for a month... How is this possible? Is everybody affected then?
[14:25] <john-mcaleely> I did not think it was that bad. They do seem to die quite regularly though
[14:26] <autra> I may have been (really) unlucky then :-D
[14:26] <john-mcaleely> it might be worth a thread on ubuntu-phone@ to see how widely people are affected
[14:37] <autra> if i'm not mistaken, the bug has been posted there, but no one really answered... That's why I wasn't sure it was a server issue...
[14:52] <john-mcaleely> autra, it seems the server should be fine now
[14:52] <john-mcaleely> catch it while it's happy :-)
[14:56] <autra> john-mcaleely, awesome! Thanks :-)
[14:56]  * autra is cloning :-)
[14:57] <john-mcaleely> great!
[14:57] <john-mcaleely> probably best to ping here rather than that bug in future
[14:57] <autra> yep, ok, will do!
[22:11] <dicius> Hi guys, I would like to port touch to my pmp7280c3G_quad tablet... Is that possible?
[22:12] <k1l_> Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[22:13] <k1l_> its possible if the device has an open bootloader and if there are drivers around
[22:13] <dicius> @kill -> I am a noob in this, so how can I find out? :)
[22:14] <k1l_> uhh, you need some deeper technical knowledge to make a port.
[22:16] <dicius> where can I get it? :)
[22:18] <dicius> I found out that an android firmware is available for download for the tablet... and I have already booted my device...
[22:18] <dicius> * rooted :D
[22:29] <dicius> @k1l_ -> or is there some generic port that I can use?
[22:36] <dicius> also, do you think this can work?
[22:36] <dicius> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2587823


[00:01] <emma> test
[00:02] <ikonia> seems to work
[01:04] <Thermi> gn8
[03:32] <jimisrvrox> hey guys im having wireless problems that happen ever so often...do not want to have to reset my router...seems like the route table gets wiped on reboot and even applying a static IP doesnt allow to connect. Seems like the network-nm sees the router but will not connect. Any suggestions?
[06:02] <AssBeard> heyheyhey
[06:02] <AssBeard> anyone around?
[06:04] <Beware_> i have an odd problem
[06:05] <bazhang> Beware_, ask a question then
[06:06] <Beware_> oh my
[06:06] <Beware_> that's odd
[06:06] <Beware_> works now
[06:06] <Beware_> nevermind XD
[06:06] <Beware_> couldn't get an external to mount
[06:07] <Beware_> thanks anyways XD
[09:01] <_strog> hi, i have freshly installed xubuntu and was trying out the possible resolution that my laptop can do, and now i have chosen a resolution that i cannot undo
[09:02] <_strog> how can i change the resolution from the console?
[09:02] <Sysi> how did you change it?
[09:03] <Sysi> and why can't undo
[09:04] <_strog> Sysi: because with this high resolution i only get either a black screen or with distorted lines
[09:17] <nicofs> Is there a way to reinstall xubuntu while keeping most of the files and settings? Is a backup of /home enough?
[09:23] <Sysi> there are your personal settings and data, not programs etc of course
[09:28] <nicofs> Sysi: I know... personally I don't exactly care about programs - except for thunderbird, as it has all my mail stored...
[09:29] <Sysi> they should also be in your home folder
[09:29] <nicofs> word order: ..., as it has stored all my mail...
[09:30] <Sysi> BTW, i could make a feature request for natty, put pavucontrol to default installation (i'll maybe put this to launchpad too)
[09:32] <nicofs> Sysi: do you think, thunderbird will regognise the files if I just put them in the new /home folder prior to installation?
[09:32] <nicofs> (installation of thunderbird, that is)
[09:34] <_strog> Sysi: well is there a possibility to change the resolution from the console? if so how?
[09:35] <Sysi> nicofs: it should afaik
[09:35] <Sysi> _strog: strongly depends how did you change it
[09:38] <_strog> Sysi: well i went through the Settings-Manager of xfce
[09:41] <Sysi> i can't find the config file but it should be possible..
[09:42] <nicofs> What about using xrandr?
[09:42] <nicofs> (but that's not permanent...)
[09:43] <_strog> ??
[09:43] <Sysi> not possible if can't log in
[09:44] <nicofs> oh... I see the problem... sorry.
[09:44] <Sysi> have you rebooted, sure xorg didn't just crash
[10:28] <cyberseb> hii
[11:16] <Makdaam> hello, I've got a problem with my soundcard, speakers don't work anymore but the headphone jack works ok
[11:17] <Makdaam> no upgrades or reconfigurations happened between the "working" and "not working" state
[11:18] <Makdaam> running alsamixer and pulling all the controls down and up again + mute/unmute didn't help
[11:18] <TheSheep> does it have hardware volume control?
[11:19] <Makdaam> nope
[11:19] <Makdaam> I mean no potentiometer if you mean that
[11:19] <TheSheep> did you drop it or spill something on it?
[11:19] <Makdaam> nope
[11:21] <TheSheep> did you try it with other distro, or with livecd?
[11:21] <Makdaam> not yet
[11:21] <TheSheep> if it's broken too it may be a hardware problem
[11:22] <Makdaam> ok, brb checking on a different OS
[11:22] <Sysi> next guess: pulseaudio
[11:44] <Makdaam> TheSheep: I checked, and it's OS persistent, but not a hardware failure (BIOS uses the speakers properly)
[11:44] <Makdaam> so I'm guessing a firmware issue with the ICH chip
[11:45] <TheSheep> how does bios use them?
[11:45] <Makdaam> beep when wrong option/wrong password is entered
[11:45] <Makdaam> and I have no separate beeper
[11:45] <Makdaam> it's an HP laptop
[11:45] <TheSheep> that's pc speaker, usually separate from the soundcard
[11:45] <TheSheep> ah
[11:45] <TheSheep> but it still may be a separate chip
[11:46] <TheSheep> no idea
[11:46] <Makdaam> nope, disabling the internal speakers in BIOS turns off BIOS beeping
[11:46] <Makdaam> so does disabling the soundcard in BIOS
[11:47] <TheSheep> ok
[12:14] <TheSheep> I wonder, since quite some time each time I wake up the laptop from sleep all the sound controls are muted. Did somebody come up with a solution to that?
[12:15] <Sysi> i blame pulseaudio about everything
[12:16] <Sysi> exept that with it i wouldn't have needed to blacklist driver of my other soundcard
[12:16] <TheSheep> Sysi: I look for a solution, not for blame
[12:16] <Sysi> you could try without pulse
[12:17] <TheSheep> no, I like to have mutliple applications using the soundcard at the same time
[12:18] <Sysi> it should work with alsa too, on you it don't?
[12:18] <Makdaam> you could try a manual alsa mixer load
[12:18] <Makdaam> after each wake up
[12:19] <TheSheep> Makdaam: I'd rather have the thing that mutes is fixed
[12:19] <TheSheep> s/is/it
[12:19] <Sysi> anything on dmesg?
[12:19] <TheSheep> lots
[12:20] <Makdaam> how does pulse handle mixer controls? is it a file like in alsa? can you track which apps open the file/access the API?
[12:20] <Besogon> Hello. TheSheep. I've made very interesting situation in PackeTracker
[12:21] <Besogon> With routing
[13:19] <hottown> ... i just installed and am running xubuntu on my ibook g4 :)
[13:19] <hottown> so far so good
[13:20] <hottown> but I want to mount my os x disk to access some files, how do i do that?
[15:45] <discharge> hey, anyone have idea why when i click the logout panel button (or menu button) it doesnt show suspend as an option, although i have suspend set as an action to do for power button press and when it works...
[15:48] <Sysi> default xubuntu installation, what version?
[15:48] <discharge> Linux dischargelap 2.6.35-23-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 24 11:55:36 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:48] <discharge> yes, xubuntu install
[15:49] <charlie-tca> discharge, lsb_release -a
[15:50] <discharge> No LSB modules are available.
[15:50] <discharge> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:50] <discharge> Description:	Ubuntu 10.10
[15:50] <discharge> Release:	10.10
[15:50] <discharge> Codename:	maverick
[15:51] <charlie-tca> 10.10 no longer shows suspend by default
[15:51] <discharge> why is that...?
[15:51] <charlie-tca> xfce changes
[15:52] <Sysi> what version of xfce 10.10 has?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> !info xfce4
[15:52] <discharge> okay, maybe they removed it for strange reasons, how to get it back?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to get it back
[15:56] <discharge> okay, not that i use it much but its annoying to not have it where it should be
[15:57] <charlie-tca> does ctrl+alt+escape work ?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> no, that is to lock the screen
[15:58] <discharge> it doesnt nothing for me
[15:58] <discharge> i dislike screen locking
[15:58] <discharge> for reason its useless when one can restart pc and gain access without pass
[16:20] <MrAnthrope> What is xubuntu?
[16:21] <sivakumar_> MrAnthrope, it is channel for ubuntu
[16:24] <MrAnthrope> Then what is #Ubuntu for?
[16:24] <Sysi> !xubuntu
[16:25] <MrAnthrope> Oh I use gnome. I was just told to come in here and wasn't sure why. Now I'm really not sure why lol.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> who told you to come here?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> and from which channel?
[16:26] <MrAnthrope> from #Ubuntu. I can't remember.
[16:26] <MrAnthrope> Is xfce4 more lightweight than gnome? For older computers?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:27] <charlie-tca> on the lightweight. It is not just for older computers, though
[16:27] <MrAnthrope> Is Xubuntu recommended for ubuntu newbs?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> not really
[16:27] <discharge> why, xubuntu is working out of the box too
[16:27] <discharge> just its lighter
[16:27] <charlie-tca> It is better if you have some experience first, since it is harder to configure things
[16:28] <MrAnthrope> Maybe I'll just stick to gnome until I get the hang of all this. :)
[16:34] <charlie-tca> discharge, Ubuntu aims directly at the new users. Xubuntu doesn't make it easy for them
[16:35] <Sysi> most of howto:s are for gnome
[16:35] <Sysi> and there are more gnome users
[16:35] <Sysi> i still could recommend xfce for newbie (and i started with it myself)
[16:36] <charlie-tca> As long as we are aware that there will be many questions about how to make things work
[19:48]  * UBuxuBU emerges from the tree tops, swinging skillfully from the vines that decorate the warm turbid jungles of...Xubuntu!
[20:06] <ubuntu> Hey
[20:07] <RightLegRed> Could I get some help with installing Ubuntu?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[20:09] <RightLegRed> Alright, basically. My problem is that I want to install to a partition I made earlier - named arch linux - but it keeps telling me I need a root, I don't know what to do. Could someone assist me with this?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Are you using the desktop or alternate cd?
[20:09] <Sysi> set that partitoon to moun point of /
[20:10] <Sysi> *partition to mounpoint
[20:10] <RightLegRed> charlie-tca: I don't understand the question, sorry. I'm using the installer, I've booted from a CD
[20:11] <charlie-tca> solerant-dc|away, you choose manual partition, then you have to choose the size
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Then you pick the filesystem, the mountpoint, which is a dropdown, with things like /   /home  /var   etc.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> pick /  from the list
[20:12] <charlie-tca> well, ignore the nick and do the rest
[20:12] <charlie-tca> this xchat auto-replaces    s o    with a nick for some reason
[20:13] <charlie-tca> so
[20:13] <charlie-tca> So
[20:13] <charlie-tca> well, it does something stupid, at least
[20:13] <Sysi> how much default xubuntu installation uses disk space?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> 1.4 gb or there abouts
[20:14] <Sysi> great
[20:14] <charlie-tca> I haven't measured it in Natty yet
[20:15] <Sysi> i'll need to do usb installation that boots on mac
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking that should be interesting. Lots of macs have issues booting from usb
[20:17] <Sysi> if i make gpt partition table it should work, not sure though
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know, myself. I have plugged in a usb thumbdrive and installed to it on non-mac, though
[20:59] <jtmoney> Unity will be installed by default in Natty?  Time to find a new distro, I'm afraid.
[20:59] <jtmoney> Any suggestions?
[21:00] <Sysi> it won't be in xubuntu
[21:00] <Sysi> (so that's suggestion too)
[21:00] <Sysi> iirc you can use regular gnome too
[21:01] <jtmoney> Sysi, I just installed Natty Alpha 1 and it was installed by default.  Or, at least, looked entirely different.
[21:03] <Sysi> that doesn't mean you couldn't use regular one
[21:05] <jtmoney> How would do I do that?  At the login screen?
[21:05] <Sysi> idk, this is xfce channel, and for stable versions
[22:03] <charlie-tca> jtmoney, instead of unity, you can choose to use "Classic Desktop session" when logging in
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Then it will be the gnome session
[22:09] <jtmoney> charlie-tca, but I really only want XFCE.
[22:09] <jtmoney> I'm installing Debian + XFCE now. :(
[22:10] <charlie-tca> Great. Thanks for stopping by then
[22:10] <jtmoney> Uhh, is this channel not #xubuntu?
[22:11] <jtmoney> Is my question not Xubuntu-related?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Debian + XFCE is not Xubuntu related.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Nor is Ubuntu with unity or gnome
[22:11] <jtmoney> Yeah, that's my last ditch effort.
[22:12] <jtmoney> I just want regular Xubuntu 11.04 A1... and it comes with Unity as far as I can tell.
[22:12] <jtmoney> My question is how to disable that without resulting to drastic measures.
[22:12] <jtmoney> Got it?
[22:12] <charlie-tca> no,. it doesn
[22:12] <charlie-tca> it does not
[22:12] <jtmoney> I wonder what the hell I installed then.
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not have unity. It uses the same wallpaper and gdm background as maverick
[22:13] <jtmoney> Must have been ubuntu.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> If you got something else, it was not Xubuntu
[22:13] <jtmoney> It had some weird bar at the bottom and no labels on the top panel.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> That's not unity either
[22:14] <jtmoney> Do you know what that is?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Unity is the Ubuntu maverick light wallpaper with a black top panel and a left-side panel in black with 4 launchers on it
[22:14] <charlie-tca> no idea what that was
[22:14] <jtmoney> Hmm, maybe something strange with 11.04 A 1.
[22:15] <jtmoney> Xubuntu that is.
[22:15] <charlie-tca> It works right here
[22:15] <jtmoney> Okay, I'll try again.
[22:15] <jtmoney> You're running Alpha 1?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:16] <jtmoney> Okay, I'll try again, thanks.
[22:16] <jtmoney> Are you running it on a netbook by any chance?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> no
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Doesn't matter, Xubuntu only has one desktop
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has both gnome and unity
[23:07] <discharge> hello, anyone can help me with a disappearing sound icon bug? when i killall xfce-panel and respawn it manually, it is there, but when ubuntu starts it doesnt show
[23:22] <Thermi> gn8


[06:30] <Lodiz> Hi. I have some trouble getting bumblebee working in 16.04. I got nvidia working with prime if i reconfigure lightdm to lightdm instead of gdm. But not with bumblebee.
[06:31] <Lodiz> Intel + nvidia gtx860m
[12:37] <aclaudem> Can I alt-tab without the pop-up? There is "Switch windows directly", but it only switches between two windows, not all windows
[13:52] <LaserAllan> Hey guys, I am trying to play some video files but for some reason it asks for a plugin tht aprently is missing
[13:53] <LaserAllan> "video/ -x unknown decoder"
[21:51] <pbrunier> I´m having a hard time typing double quotes in Gnome. Not sure if it is Gnome causing the problems. I can type double quotes, but they are UTF. I need ASCII. Someone an idea?