 :P
[09:48] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: pro all the way baby ;)
[09:49] <dwatkins> I keep getting calls from a friend of mine who has finally started using Linux after many years of doing Windows support. Is there a good resource for general information about things like clustering and multipally redundant systems which I can direct him to?
[09:50] <diddledan> there was a weekend?
[09:50] <jussi> dwatkins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[09:50] <diddledan> I think I slept it
[09:50] <dwatkins> What baffled me is that he was trying to mount an iSCSI target on two machines at the same time, I told him to just use NFS ;)
[09:50] <dwatkins> thanks jussi
[09:51] <diddledan> dwatkins: http://clusterlabs.org/
[09:51] <dwatkins> diddledan: I slept through quite a lot of the weekend
[09:51] <dwatkins> ooh, neat, thanks to you too diddledan
[09:52] <dwatkins> I've used Rocks and C3 in the past, but in a more structured environment.
[09:52] <jussi> dwatkins: more specifically, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers
[09:52] <jussi> thats where the bits I think you are looking for are
[09:52] <dwatkins> jussi: yep, was just pondering sending him to there specifically or the previous page ;)
[09:54] <diddledan> maplin have a 12cup coffee maker for 19.99
[09:54] <diddledan> I wonder how long it'ld take me to drink that many cups
[09:54] <dwatkins> for me, about 6 days
[09:55] <jussi> dwatkins: give him both :D
[09:55] <dwatkins> :)
[09:55] <foobarry> queenie winehouse http://i.imgur.com/t6q9qxq.jpg :D
[09:56] <dwatkins> I think part of the problem is that he isn't so familiar with the concepts used in Linux compared to Windows servers, so it's probably best to start off with only a few links.
[09:56] <diddledan> foobarry: awesome
[09:56] <foobarry> i wish i did it
[09:57] <jussi> dwatkins: but, but windows users pointy clicky love links...
[09:58] <dwatkins> jussi: indeed, it's an uphill struggle
[09:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chocolate Covered Raisins Day! :-D
[09:59] <jussi> dwatkins: I dunno much about it, but might be worth him also looking at: https://juju.ubuntu.com/ ?
[10:00] <diddledan> point-n-click will soon be a thing of the past that us old folk remember with nostalgia. the y00f will all be "point-n-prod"
[10:00] <jussi> diddledan: pfft, look and blink is all the rage now :P
[10:00]  * diddledan blinks hard to make the screen change
[10:01] <jussi> damn people who make instructional videos.... a MONOTONE sucks - expression is allowed!!!
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/goat-simulator-preview-goat-of-the-year/
[10:02] <foobarry> made an 8-bit luigi to go with mario and yoshi http://ubuntuone.com/2Y0V29Rg1cDVrSbnfKMCgC
[10:09] <foobarry> jussi: i think it's because they are reading/american
[10:10] <jussi> foobarry: heh
[10:10] <foobarry> or worse, unscripted
[10:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:36] <popey> foobarry: excellent
[10:37] <foobarry> want to see teh scariest banana ever?
[10:37] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/gallery/8vJXKt2
[10:41] <popey> i drew minecraft things on Sam's banana today
[10:42] <ali1234> "what's that?" "it's a minecraft"
[10:42] <popey> tools mostly
[10:53] <marxjohn1on> I'm doing an install and need everything encrypted, I selected that I wanted encryption when partitioning, do I need to/should I tick "encrypt my home directory" too?
[10:55] <jussi> foobarry: its Achmed!
[10:57] <brobostigon> marxjohn1on: if thats what you want.
[10:59] <marxjohn1on> brobostigon: What I mean is, will everything be encrypted on disk regardless, or is the home directory stored clear unless I select that?
[10:59] <marxjohn1on> I'm the only user, so not worried about someone else booting then reading my files
[11:00] <popey> marxjohn1on: no
[11:00] <marxjohn1on> popey: no i dont need to?
[11:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:00] <popey> well, you're already doing whole disk encryption
[11:00] <popey> why would you want to encrypt the encrypted data?
[11:00] <marxjohn1on> cool, that's what I thought
[11:00] <marxjohn1on> cheers
[11:00] <popey> home directory encryption is ecryptfs type stuff
[11:00] <popey> np
[11:01] <marxjohn1on> popey: Got a new work laptop, it has a mouse nipple (not a thinkpad though)
[11:02] <popey> marxjohn1on: wossit?
[11:02] <popey> Dell or HP?
[11:03] <marxjohn1on> Dell
[11:03] <popey> \o/ Latitude?
[11:03] <marxjohn1on> yep E7440
[11:03] <jussi> I like nipples :D
[11:03] <popey> I too enjoy using a TouchPoint keyboard
[11:04] <jussi> although disappointingly the nipple on my E6500 has done a runner
[11:04] <jussi> I should order a new one
[11:05] <ali1234> i find the trackpoint experience rather like balancing a broom on the end of your finger
[11:05] <popey> I ordered some new ones off ebay
[11:05] <popey> they should arrive soon
[11:05] <popey> i am balancing the world underneath my finger
[11:06] <jussi> popey: you an apple kinda guy sometimes - how do I know which version of Ipad it is from the serial number sticker?  (is it even possible to tell? )
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: you're doing it wrong you balance the world on top of your finger ala spinning basket ball
[11:07] <popey> jussi: no idea.
[11:07] <popey> http://www.techhive.com/article/2049920/how-to-tell-which-ipad-model-you-have.html
[11:07] <jussi> anyone else know?  anyone? anyone? bueller?
[11:07] <popey> model number
[11:07] <popey> google knows
[11:08] <marxjohn1on> Hmm this is weird, Ubuntu's not seeing my wireless adapter
[11:08] <ali1234> https://discussions.apple.com/message/17924797#17924797
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> marxjohn1on: did it see it before?
[11:08] <marxjohn1on> MartijnVdS: no, new machine
[11:08] <dwatkins> yeah, google the model number on the back, e.g. mine is an A1396, details here: https://support.apple.com/kb/HT5452
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> marxjohn1on: is the "flight mode" switch active maybe?
[11:09] <popey> marxjohn1on: what does lspci say it is?
[11:09] <popey> in a latitude, probably intel or broadcom
[11:09] <shauno> https://selfsolve.apple.com/ will actually give you details from the serial number
[11:09] <marxjohn1on> MartijnVdS: There's a switch on the side but I've made sure it's on
[11:09] <dwatkins> another useful page is this, jussi - http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1396
[11:09] <marxjohn1on> popey: Intel i believe
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> marxjohn1on: can you pastebin lspci output?
[11:10] <marxjohn1on> "Network Controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b1
[11:10] <jussi> ok thanks peoples
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> marxjohn1on: which Ubuntu version are you using?
[11:10] <marxjohn1on> MartijnVdS: no, becuase no network :)
[11:10] <marxjohn1on> 13.04 atm
[11:10] <popey> https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Dual_Band_Wireless-AC_7260_(7260HMW)
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> marxjohn1on: 3.11 has a driver.. so I guess you need a newer Ubuntu
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> Kernel 3.11
[11:11] <popey> why 13.04 out of interest?
[11:11] <popey> oh
[11:11] <popey> only cd you have handy?
[11:11] <marxjohn1on> Becuase I picked the newest Ubuntu from unetbootin, and didn't realise it wasn't 13.10
[11:11] <popey> bummer
[11:12] <popey> I'd use 14.04 tbh
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> marxjohn1on: why unetbootin and not dd? :)
[11:12] <marxjohn1on> ah right, OK looks like I'll have to get 13.10 ISO and reinstall
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> also, 14.04 is getting more stable by the hour
[11:12] <marxjohn1on> Alright then, I'll go for that
[11:13] <davmor2> marxjohn1on: serious grab the latest 14.04, or you'll have to upgrade again in a couple of week anyway :)
[11:13] <marxjohn1on> is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ the right place to get it?
[11:13] <popey> that'll do
[11:13] <davmor2> marlinc:
[11:13] <davmor2> marxjohn1on: yeap
[11:13] <popey> marxjohn1on: still got your asus?
[11:13] <Monotoko> when is 14.04 due?
[11:13] <popey> 7/4
[11:13] <popey> ish
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> isn't that "just" the RC?
[11:14] <popey> s/7/17/
[11:14] <Monotoko> cheers
[11:14] <Monotoko> ah monday's...
[11:14] <Monotoko> *mondays
[11:15] <Monotoko> *Mondays
[11:17] <marxjohn1on> popey: read that too quickly, didn't read it as "asus". Yes I do
[11:19] <Myrtti> popey: so the third Thursday still holds, eh
[11:19] <popey> ya
[11:23]  * dwatkins waits patiently for the SMART test to run on his NAS (about 5 hours, apparently)
[11:24] <dwatkins> perhaps I should have unmounted the filesystem first...
[11:24] <Monotoko> standard test or do you reckon something's wrong?
[11:24] <dwatkins> Monotoko: I've had 3 e-mails from this Synology in the past month saying that there was a problem but it corrected it
[11:25] <dwatkins> I've just bought a replacement disk, so that I can send this one off for replacement if necessary without being one disk down whilst it's sent away
[11:34] <DJones> On Domain renewal services, what is "Windows Entry Hosting"
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> DJones: entry-level Windows VM?
[11:35] <DJones> Looks like it
[12:58] <diddledan> http://grahamcluley.com/2014/03/gmail-goes-https-inside/
[13:23] <diddledan> DJones: I would expect it to be shared web-hosting rather than vps
[13:23] <diddledan> but still entry-level as MartijnVdS suggests
[13:34] <Monotoko> is today dragging for anyone else?
[13:36] <diplo> Yep Monotoko
[13:36] <MooDoo> yes me but I finish at 3:30 :D
[13:36] <diplo> and I leave in an hour and a hlaf
[13:36] <diddledan> MooDoo: grr
[13:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: diddledan ear prick up, shared hosting?
[14:01] <mapps> afternon y'all
[14:16] <diddledan> morning
[14:17] <mapps> hey diddledan
[14:29] <mapps> its cold but the suns out
[14:29] <mapps> ;/
[14:32] <diddledan> I got a thick wooly
[14:32] <diddledan> woolly**
[14:33] <foobarry> mammoth
[14:33] <diddledan> now that's something to be proud of
[14:33] <mapps> gotta go out soon too post my passport form else il never do it!
[14:36] <foobarry> my boiler is playing up, only 1yr old, whats the likely route of support from the manufacturer? have to pay for man to service it and he deals with company directly?
[14:36] <foobarry> its under guarantee
[14:36] <mapps> phone them
[14:36] <mapps> if it wasnt id have gone to british gas..my boiler wasnt working..got british gas care thing they came round fitted a new controller thing didnt fix it..came back..spent hours fixed it..only paid 200
[14:36] <foobarry> there's a millino numbers
[14:36] <mapps> and the parts alone wouldve been 200!!
[14:38] <mapps> so annoying..being on my own il never manage to afford a mortgage for where i want..need to find some rich girl
[14:38] <mapps> ;]
[14:47] <diddledan> rich girl +1
[14:48] <foobarry> does anyone understand anything about boilers
[14:48] <foobarry> called up the company
[14:48] <foobarry> bloke says, it sounds like the gas governor
[14:48] <diddledan> I understand you need to be registered to open them :-p
[14:48] <foobarry> "nothing to do with your boiler"
[14:49] <diddledan> balls
[14:49] <diddledan> wtf is a gas governor?
[14:49] <foobarry> A gas governor is an apparatus that is installed in any pressurised gas-using equipment, supply lines or tanks. The governor regulates the amount of gas that passes through and the pressure of such gas and ensures both are at their optimal.
[14:49] <diddledan> so it's part of the boiler.
[14:49] <foobarry> "why does it resolve the problem if i turn it off and on again?" because you let it rest
[14:49] <diddledan> which means there's a problem with the boiler
[14:50] <foobarry> i think i need to get it serviced
[14:50] <foobarry> and he will call the company on my behalf
[14:50] <foobarry> lately my car leaked, my boiler is playing up, got 2 bikes nicked, hole in my roof, needed a new fence... :(
[14:50] <foobarry> stressed :(
[14:51] <diddledan> expensive
[14:52] <mapps> its under warranty
[14:52] <mapps> cant u just phone the company
[14:52] <mapps> claim for bikes on insurance?
[14:55] <mapps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuyAF4vtdUk
[14:55] <mapps> when i saw them in 2010 it was a right let down...they were on when it was sunny;/ like 5pm pff
[15:15] <foobarry> insruance is a con. claim and you will pay
[15:15] <foobarry> in the long run, so just decided not to get new bikes
[15:16] <foobarry> my bruv needs a windows pc for his kids to do school work
[15:16] <foobarry> 32 or 64 bit?
[15:16] <foobarry> windows 7
[15:19]  * foobarry clicks 32bit
[15:20]  * foobarry hesitates
[15:24] <diddledan> 32bit is last century
[15:26] <foobarry> is that enough reason? the pc is rather old too
[15:33] <dwatkins> unless you're doing stuff like video editing, 32-bit will suffice. There might be some games which need to address more than 4 GB, but I doubt there are many.
[15:34] <foobarry> its a core2duo with 4gb
[15:34] <dwatkins> having said that, for future-proofing, 64-bit might be advisable, and should work with most stuff. That CPU should be 64-bit capable.
[15:34] <dwatkins> The early coreduo CPUs weren't 64-bit capable, iirc.
[15:34] <foobarry> i think the pc may die first
[15:35] <diddledan> dwatkins: yes, the core series was 32bit, core2 and later were all 64bit
[15:35] <diddledan> then there's pentium which I have no idea what the heck they're doing these days
[15:36] <diddledan> and celeron, still!
[15:37] <dwatkins> I have an Atom-based netbook at home, I think it'll only do 32-bit OSs
[15:37] <diddledan> atom is a weird one, too
[15:38] <diddledan> some atoms are 32 and some are 64 - I haven't worked out a definitive way of determining which is which
[15:38] <smittix> Does anyone know what Nvidia Optimus support is like?
[15:38] <diddledan> crap
[15:38] <smittix> :(
[15:38] <diddledan> :-p
[15:38] <diddledan> it's better than it was
[15:38] <diddledan> but still not seamless
[15:38] <smittix> Thinking of battery consumption on this new laptop
[15:39] <dwatkins> diddledan: I assume the fact I have this in /proc/cpuinfo is more likely because I'm running a 32-bit kernel: address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
[15:39] <diddledan> dwatkins: yes, if you are running in 32bit mode you'll only see 32bit cpu data
[15:40] <diddledan> you might be able to convince it to report 48 bits address size if you have PAE turned on somewhere (I know not where. it's a kernel option)
[15:41] <directhex> foobarry, 3.2gb, more or less
[15:41] <directhex> it is not a limit on 4gb ram, it is a limit on 4gb address space
[15:41] <foobarry> even for win7? i thought it would be PAR
[15:41] <directhex> all memory mapped devices are taken from that address space - e.g. gpu ram
[15:41] <foobarry> PAE
[15:41] <directhex> pae was disabled in windows. some security bull.
[15:41] <foobarry> argh
[15:42] <foobarry> just clicked burn on my only remianing dvd
[15:42] <directhex> basically you only get 4gb ram in 32-bit windows if you have 0 devices
[15:42] <diddledan> rewrite ftw
[15:49] <dwatkins> and no kernel
[15:50] <dwatkins> oh sorry, not total RAM, 4 GB address space for each app, I guess
[15:50] <diddledan> dwatkins: windows is limited to 2GB of address-space per process
[15:50] <diddledan> in 32bit mode
[15:51] <dwatkins> oh wow, I see
[15:52] <diddledan> that needn't mean that you can only use 2GB of ram however, but the other limit of 4GB minus GFX RAM minus kernel space etc. still applies
[15:54] <diddledan> basically any one process can use up to 2GB of ram in 32bit 'dows and the entire system including devices attached to pci must fit within 4GB - gfx is the big offender because it effectively subtracts from available installed ram by the amount of ram the gfx has onboard to allow it's memory range to be addressable within the 4GB ceiling
[15:55] <diddledan> you'd think there'd be a simple way to allow gfx ram to exist outside the normal sphere of addresses but no
[15:55] <foobarry> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/03/lego-bricks-still-last-30000-impressions-during-new-and-improved-test/#p3
[16:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:34] <mapp> hey
[16:34] <mapp> my net went down for like 30mins
[16:34] <mapp> ;[
[16:35] <diddledan> mapp: :-o
[16:35] <diddledan> mapp: that's evil!
[16:35] <mapp> ya i went to the post office whilst it was down
[16:35] <mapp> so got my passport stuff posted
[16:35] <diddledan> aah
[16:35] <mapp> 1 more thing to do today and EVERYTHINGS DONE
[16:35] <diddledan> two birds, one dingo
[16:35] <mapp> well except work;p
[16:35] <dwatkins> an efficient use of time
[16:35] <dwatkins> (clearly I've been watching too much Star Trek: Voyager)
[16:35] <foobarry> was opening my post on the train today because i don't have time at home. lady was staring at me
[16:36] <foobarry> she'll really stare when i shave on thee train tomorrow
[16:36] <mapp> :D
[16:36] <mapp> i think they have an outlt for a shaver on trains right?
[16:37] <dwatkins> it's probably in the toilet, though
[16:37] <shauno> I started watching Voyager recently too.  struck me that I'd caught the odd episode but hadn't actually followed it.  so now I'm catching up
[16:37] <dwatkins> there's a charging point for laptops/phones, though
[16:38] <dwatkins> shauno: I'm on series 5 having started at a random episode I caught somewhere, I'm avoiding the silly holodeck ones, though.
[16:38] <shauno> much further then .. I think I'm about half way through s2
[16:38] <dwatkins> I saw it all a couple years ago, iirc.
[16:38] <mapp> i always travel first class on the train these days...so i get a table and power socket for me
[16:38] <mapp> :D
[16:38] <mapp> laptop/phone/tablet :D
[16:39] <diddledan> shauno: I did that with Babylon 5
[16:39] <dwatkins> I travel carriage class, coach B (the quiet one) and usually get a power socket at the window seat.
[16:39] <foobarry> my shaver is charged
[16:39] <mapp> on virgin trains?
[16:39] <dwatkins> diddledan: that's on my list to watch again soon, B5 :)
[16:39] <mapp> I usually go in coach H - quiet coach
[16:39] <mapp> first class fa sho
[16:39] <foobarry> ££
[16:39] <dwatkins> mapp: I travel East Coast between Edinburgh and London mostly.
[16:39] <mapp> its brilliant like
[16:39] <foobarry> i shave at work sometimes. just don't have time at home
[16:39] <shauno> I don't do trains.  I'm poor, so I fly
[16:40] <dwatkins> I have a razor on my desk just in case.
[16:40] <mapp> 39 quid first class ...if i turned up on day £72 standard!!!
[16:40] <foobarry> fly to work
[16:40] <mapp> and the same 1st class 250 if you paid on the day lol
[16:40] <diddledan> shauno: aer fungus?
[16:40] <foobarry> i take a slow commuter class rickety train to work
[16:40] <dwatkins> I pay £150 to visit my mum 450 miles away at a moment's notice, it's about £50 if I actually plan in advance.
[16:40] <mapp> yea
[16:40] <mapp> see
[16:40] <shauno> ryanair>aer fungus, amazingly
[16:40] <mapp> thats why i love booking say a week in advance 39 quid and its cheaper than standard on the day
[16:40] <mapp> and u get the same service not like the staff look and go 'ughh its a cheapskate;
[16:41] <mapp> still get my free beers
[16:41] <foobarry> havent flown on a plane in about 7+ years
[16:41] <foobarry> maybe nearer 9
[16:41] <mapp> ryan air is horrid
[16:41] <mapp> flew ryan air/ba/jet2/KLM last year
[16:41] <foobarry> flying is horrid and inhumane
[16:41] <mapp> BA was the best..Jet2 decent enough..KLM really good
[16:41] <shauno> I only use aer lingus if I'm flying to london.  for everything else, they're as bad as ryanair but twice the price
[16:41] <mapp> ryan air awful;p
[16:42] <mapp> hopefully get Jet2 when i go to CZ
[16:44] <mapp> strange to think im 30 this year..actually old
[16:51] <bigcalm> Oi. 30 isn't old
[16:51] <mapp> heh
[16:53] <bigcalm> Anybody here use sipgate?
[16:53] <mapp> no idea what it is:D
[16:56] <bigcalm> Can anybody recommend a sip solution for 3 remote offices?
[16:57] <dwatkins> I have a sipgate (UK) account, but only use it on my Android phone occasionally.
[16:58] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I can have someone from Tandberg contact you, if you need an enterprise solution :)
[16:58] <dwatkins> full disclosure: my brother works there
[16:58] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.asterisk.org/
[17:49] <mapp> oh god
[17:49] <mapp> tennis is so strange
[17:49] <mapp> see them win a set like 6-1 making it look easy then go and lose the 2nd 6-0
[17:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, I don't have time or inclination to set it up myself :)
[17:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: if Ron were well enough, I'd push business his way
[17:52] <mapp> i never understand this thing that players crumble either..surely at top leve they should be mentally strong enough
[18:15] <mapp> when my net went down earlier xubuntu hasnt reconnected.how can i force this manually??
[18:17] <daftykins> wired eth?
[18:33] <bigcalm> Restart networking?
[18:40] <daftykins> restarting networking hasn't done anything right for ages :(
[18:40] <bigcalm> Reboot?
[18:58] <SuperMatt> ok... release party. what's the dealio?
[19:03] <daftykins> you get the cake
[19:06] <shauno> read that as coke :/
[19:10] <SuperMatt> daftykins: I will get cake, but that doesn't help me meet up with everyone else
[19:11] <daftykins> shauno: D:
[19:11] <daftykins> ok :( but cake is important
[19:15] <shauno> sounds like a reasonable way to meet people, too.  just walk up to people and ask: "cake?"
[19:21] <mapp> hey sorry
[19:21] <mapp> daftykins/ bigcalm wireless
[19:21] <mapp> like if i restated my router now my xubuntu machine will just stay there disconnected it wont reconnect
[19:21] <mapp> not sure how to fix it
[19:22] <daftykins> not sure what xubuntu has, little network icon that needs to have the wireless network name reselected? *shrug*
[19:22] <daftykins> assuming it has X
[19:22] <ali1234> wat
[19:23] <ali1234> xubuntu uses network manager same as ubuntu
[19:24] <ali1234> check out xubuntu 14.04, it's really good :)
[19:25] <mapp> yea
[19:25] <ali1234> silly bottom panel is gone, there's whiskermenu, and it has real gtk3 indicators
[19:26] <mapp> is there any way to restart it or write a script so it restarts if it goes down
[19:26] <ali1234> and compositor zoom
[19:26] <ali1234> mapp: i dunno but that almost certainly isn't a xubuntu specific bug
[19:26] <ali1234> does it automatically connect when you boot up?
[19:27] <ali1234> ie did you save the passphrase?
[19:27] <ali1234> what type of encryption are you using?
[19:27] <mapp> yea i know that sorry i was just saying xubuntu to s[ecify what im using
[19:27] <mapp> yea passphrase set
[19:27] <mapp> it auto connects on boot
[19:27] <ali1234> and what do you have to do to manually reconnect? just click the network again?
[19:27] <mapp> well
[19:28] <mapp> i dont know how to manually reconnect..never get it to work and always endup rebooting
[19:28] <ali1234> i suspect flakey wifi driver or broken router
[19:28] <ali1234> ah, bad driver then
[19:28] <mapp> hm
[19:28] <mapp> :(
[19:28] <ali1234> what wifi card?
[19:29] <ali1234> this is why i never use wifi if i can possibly avoid it
[19:29] <ali1234> it's just as bad on windows too, before anyone starts complaining about linux driver support
[19:29] <mapp> hm ralink something how cold i find out? lsmod? or easier way?
[19:29] <ali1234> lspci
[19:30] <ali1234> unless it's usb
[19:30] <mapp>  Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2800 802.11n PCI
[19:32] <ali1234> yeah i'm seeing a lot of people with problems on that card
[19:32] <ali1234> but no solutions
[19:32] <ali1234> next time it happens look for errors on dmesg and /var/log/syslog etc
[19:32] <ali1234> might reveal something
[19:33] <mapp> is there any other logfile to look at re wireless
[19:33] <mapp> gah this tennis
[19:34] <ali1234> don't think so
[19:34] <ali1234> it's probably going to be a hardware error
[19:34] <ali1234> driver isn't resetting the device properly on reconnection or something
[19:34] <ali1234> in which case it will probably complain on dmesg
[19:35] <mapp> :(
[19:58] <mapp> so my wireless card sucks grmpf
[19:58] <mapp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNWtxw8RGQ
[20:03] <daftykins> ali1234: i didn't know it used NM as i don't run any desktop ubuntu let alone xubuntu :>
[20:04] <daftykins> also i've not seen wireless issues on Windows :D but then i always deal with good adapters
[20:04] <daftykins> none of that cheap tosh
[20:10] <mapp> meant to be in work at 11 gotta go in for 9 to do some boring admin rubbish...got out of doing it at last and then this week noone else that can do it is in
[20:11] <mapp> =[
[20:11] <mapp> basically boring data input
[20:12] <daftykins> :<
[20:13] <mapp> yea its just tedious
[20:13] <mapp> not hard at all..just rubbish
[20:14] <mapp> doing the schedule/rota..
[20:14] <mapp> still could be worse
[20:14] <mapp> ive often wondered how id find another job now...
[20:14] <mapp> i complain a lot about my hours..they arent ideal..but job wise i wathc sport..watch other tv while at work..come on irc..read stuff im interested in and can bet till my hearts content
[20:14] <mapp> lol
[20:19] <daftykins> ;)
[20:20] <mapp> not watching sport/betting would be ok..but are normal offices super strict on internet and that
[20:20] <mapp> if i couldnt go on any non work sites thatd be tough
[20:54] <shauno> I have a wee 3g mifi thingie at work, and take my own laptop with me
[21:22] <daftykins> shauno: can't you still see your place when making coffee though? :D
[21:22] <shauno> heh, it's not close enough for wifi though
[21:23] <daftykins> d'aww
[21:23] <daftykins> cantenna!
[21:25] <shauno> that's not a terrible idea
[21:27] <daftykins> it could be pretty fun, i think the main challenge is acquiring a card or USB dongle that has external antenna connections
[21:29] <shauno> or just sticking the whole dongle in the can
[21:30] <ali1234> the main challenge is finding a can with the right diameter
[21:30] <daftykins> don't think that's as big a deal 'cause you just adjust something else
[21:34] <ali1234> yeah, length
[21:38] <shauno> as I understand it, the diameter is largely irrelevant
[21:40] <daftykins> i think length and the size of the core piece you put in are determining factors
[21:40]  * bigcalm flops back in
[21:40] <shauno> the critical bit is getting the antenna the correct distance from the reflector (the bottom of the can)
[21:41] <shauno> the diameter gives you a min/max freq for a waveguide, but it's quite a wide window  (pringles is 2.3-3GHz)
[21:50] <shauno> it'd be pretty impractical to put something up at the other end though :/
[22:13] <diddledan> lol @ the pringle frequency
[22:14] <diddledan> good excuse to eat a can tho
[22:22] <daftykins> they taste like cardboard :(
[22:24] <diddledan> I think that's because they are deep-fried cardboard
[22:32] <daftykins> ah-ha!
[22:32] <daftykins> wasn't just me going mad then
[22:38] <bigcalm> What's the advantage of using sip over skype?
[22:38] <bigcalm> Greater choice of client?
[22:39] <popey> use a real handset
[22:39] <diddledan> bigcalm: skype is a closed protocol whereas sip is an open interoperable standard
[22:39] <bigcalm> What clients do you peeps like to use?
[22:40] <daftykins> $insert_obligatory_NSA_reference
[22:41] <popey> On iOS I use Acrobits Softphone
[22:41] <bigcalm> Nothing in Ubuntu?#
[22:41] <popey> Otherwise I use a real Cisco desktop phone
[22:41] <popey> nope
[22:41] <popey> i dont want to make phone calls from my computer
[22:41] <popey> i use phones
[22:41] <daftykins> ooh that reminds me, i heard my landline call today!
[22:41] <daftykins> s/call/ring
[22:42] <bigcalm> What if you are remote working?
[22:42] <daftykins> nobody knows that number 8)
[22:42] <popey> i use my phone as I said
[22:43] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[22:43] <popey> i expect there are android ones
[22:43] <popey> i just happen to not have android on any phones so not tried any
[22:43] <popey> the Acrobits iOS one (if it has android version this may be interesting) is quite reliable for me
[22:44] <popey> I can spend 2 hours on the phone on a call via SIP with it and it never drops
[22:44] <popey> same goes for my cisco phone
[22:46] <bigcalm> https://play.google.com/store/search?q=acrobits
[22:46] <bigcalm> Lots of results, which one?
[22:50] <popey> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.acrobits.softphone.alien
[22:50] <popey> 22:41:12 < popey> On iOS I use Acrobits Softphone
[22:50] <popey> ☻
[22:50] <popey> certainly looks similar
[22:51] <popey> also has the ability to automatically record calls
[22:51] <popey> which is handy
[22:52] <bigcalm> Indeed
[22:53] <bigcalm> I record all of my skype calls as I have a pants memory
[22:54] <popey> *pop* bed time
[22:55] <daftykins> o/