[00:00] <jonatas> ok man
[00:04] <emiliano> Hola.
[00:04] <emiliano> Hay alguien?
[00:07] <DaSkreech> !es
[00:11]  * Secutor is back.
[00:12] <Bernier> Hi, my wireless connection is working but only for like 5 min after it freezes, after that even if I disconnect/reconnect there is absolutely no way to reconnect back. Anyone know about this?
[00:18] <badpc> how do you play an audio cd in kubuntu?
[00:19] <DaSkreech> Amarok
[00:19] <ubuntu_> hola?
[00:19] <ubuntu_> quien anda ahi?
[00:19] <mneptok> !es > ubuntu_
[00:19] <badpc> should it start automaticly?
[00:20] <mefisto__> badpc: yes, amarok should play it automatically by default
[00:21] <badpc> mefisto__: hmmmm
[00:21] <ubuntu_> did you know anything about the facebook in ubuntu?
[00:22] <ubuntu_> don play the "email" checkbox
[00:22] <mefisto__> not playing badpc?
[00:23] <badpc> mefisto__: no its not
[00:23] <mefisto__> badpc: do you have any other players installed? kaffeine, mplayer, etc?
[00:23] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Facebook works in ubuntu
[00:23] <ubuntu_> i dont know why not wite the email
[00:23] <badpc> mefisto__: no
[00:24] <cocaine> hi @all
[00:25] <badpc> mefisto__:  looks cool though!
[00:25] <badpc> lol
[00:28] <mefisto__> badpc: did anything happen when you put the cd in? did it get detected? did amarok open?
[00:30] <JuJuBee> Is it possible to install kubuntu on a headless box?
[00:30] <badpc> mefisto__:  no it did notjing
[00:31] <DaSkreech> JuJuBee: Why wouldn't it be?
[00:31] <JuJuBee> How?  I would need to ssh to it first, right?
[00:32] <DaSkreech> Yes
[00:32] <JuJuBee> How would I know its IP?
[00:32] <mefisto__> badpc: in konqueror or dolphin, put this in the location bar    audiocd:/
[00:32] <DaSkreech> That's your issue. If you make a box headless you should know stuff like that
[00:32] <Jwyanze> i am a noob to kubuntu and i want to know if linux OS get viruses and if so can i have an antivirus
[00:32] <DaSkreech> !virus
[00:33] <JuJuBee> DaSkreech : didn't make it headless, it is a rack mount server in my classroom at college.  Don't have extra monitor handy and ones for desktops are locked to table.  Want to flatten and install linux.
[00:34] <DaSkreech> What's the point of KDE on it if it's headless?
[00:34] <mefisto__> Jwyanze: you could possibly get a virus sent to you in email, that you may inadvertently pass on to someone else if you forward it. so you might want antivirus for that reason
[00:34] <JuJuBee> Good point.  Touche, Score 1 pt for DaSkreech... :)
[00:34] <JuJuBee> Guess LAMP is what I really want/
[00:34] <JuJuBee> But still....
[00:35] <Socceroos> JuJuBee: a good way to find out the IP address of the rack server is to use NMAP.
[00:35] <badpc> mefisto__: ok now what
[00:35] <Socceroos> sudo apt-get install nmap
[00:35] <badpc> mefisto__:  it shows the cd
[00:35] <drostie> There have also been Linux exploits; just not viral. Linux servers, in particular, have a bad history of getting hacked.  Usually it's because someone fails to update software regularly -- especially on servers.
[00:35] <JuJuBee> Oh, Right, forgot nmap.  So, then ssh to box and how to run the text based installer?
[00:36] <Socceroos> then run: nmap -sP -vvv ip.ip.ip.ip-ip
[00:36] <Socceroos> JuJuBee, what OS is the server running?
[00:37] <JuJuBee> Hmmm... think win server 2003
[00:37] <JuJuBee> Wanna wipe it.
[00:37] <Socceroos> ah
[00:38] <mefisto__> drostie: fail to update intentionally? to avoid dealing with config changes or something? or just neglect/laziness?
[00:38] <Socceroos> Well, whatever distro you put on it, you can just install KDE from the command line using the appropriate package manager. For Debian/Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kde      For RPM distros: sudo yum install kde
[00:40] <drostie> As I understood it, it was neglect and/or obliviousness. For example, that SSH vulnerability at the beginning of 2008? Made it into the Ubuntu Server 8.04, which was LTS, so of course that was installed in the popular VPS software.
[00:40] <drostie> The upgrade is not installed by default via sudo apt-get upgrade because ssh clients get cranky when you change fingerprints.
[00:40] <Jwyanze> mefisto__ is there an alternative for windows media center on linux?
[00:41] <mefisto__> Jwyanze: you're probably not asking the right person, but I think the answer is yes
[00:41] <DaSkreech> Socceroos: There is no point to that in  a headless environement
[00:41] <DaSkreech> Jwyanze: Quite a few
[00:42] <Socceroos> DaSkreech: true. but if he still wants to install it then he can. Windows 2003 is even more useless on a headless environment.
[00:42] <badpc> Jwyanze: try myth tv or xmbc
[00:42] <k0pp> i've got a matrox graphics card and my onboard card, but when i try to boot up my kubuntu machine using the matrox card, i get to the "kubuntu splash screen"(with the progress bar while booting up), it'll get about 1/5 of the way into it, and freeze.  but when i boot with my onboard card it boots up just fine.  any advice on what to do?
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Socceroos: tell me about it
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Jwyanze: Or Elisa
[00:43] <mefisto__> is windows media center what it sounds like? like mythtv ?
[00:43] <mefisto__> ok
[00:44] <badpc> yeah myth tv is pretty cool pictures videos music amd tv all in one place
[00:44] <Socceroos> DaSkreech: I've found a way to get rid of my companies Microsoft addiction and move the whole office to KDE 4.2 and still run our windows only apps seamlessly: seamlessRDP - if only i'd known about it earlier!
[00:44] <JuJuBee> I know how to install software via an ssh connection to a box (headless or not).  I need to know how to install linux from scratch on a headless machine.
[00:45] <DaSkreech> !find elisa
[00:45] <DaSkreech> !info elisa
[00:45] <DaSkreech> Jwyanze: ^^^
[00:45] <badpc> mefisto__: my cd showed up when i typed audiocd:/
[00:45] <drostie> k0pp: can you start it up with the Live CD and the Matrox card both in the box?
[00:45] <Jwyanze> thanks
[00:45] <DaSkreech> badpc: That's to rip the audio
[00:45] <Socceroos> JuJuBee, to install linux from scratch on a headless machine seems pretty impossible. Unless you create some really custom Floppies that do the groundwork for you.
[00:45] <k0pp> drostie, no that fails too
[00:46] <DaSkreech> Not really you can do an unattended install
[00:46] <drostie> k0pp: blech. What Matrox card, exactly?
[00:46] <k0pp> drostie, on the card itself, i just found a little switch (phisically on the card) to "enable" vga, it was switched off, would switching i ton do anything do you think?
[00:46] <JuJuBee> Can you point me towards some reading?
[00:46] <Socceroos> DaSkreech: which Distro will do that for you?
[00:47] <k0pp> drostie, matrox millenium pci, thats all the information i've found on it.
[00:47] <DaSkreech> most
[00:47] <drostie> k0pp: no, but there appears to be exactly 0 cost of trying, so you might as well try it. ^_^
[00:47] <badpc> DarkriftX: so how do i get amrock to play it?
[00:47] <k0pp> lol
[00:47] <k0pp> thanks drostie i'll give it a try real quick.
[00:48] <Socceroos> JuJuBee: google 'unattended install linux'
[00:48] <Socceroos> without the quotes
[00:49] <badpc> DaSkreech: so how do i get amarok to play my cd?
[00:49] <DaSkreech> It doesn't play it now? what happens when you click on play CD in the menu
[00:49] <Until_It_Sleeps> How do I get a new installation of Kubuntu to connect to my wireless network?
[00:49] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Intrepid or Jaunty?
[00:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> um......
[00:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> I have no idea...
[00:50] <badpc> wow
[00:50] <Until_It_Sleeps> It was installed through a LinuxMCE dvd
[00:51] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[00:51] <DaSkreech> 7.04
[00:51] <drostie> Okay. Is there a little gray globe-looking icon in the lower right hand corner, in the system tray?
[00:52] <Until_It_Sleeps> nope
[00:52] <drostie> Okay. Press Alt-F2 and type in [konsole] (without square brackets) to open a text terminal.
[00:52] <badpc> DaSkreech: dont have that option has play media folder?
[00:53] <Until_It_Sleeps> k
[00:53] <drostie> then type in [pgrep NetworkManager] and see if it spits out a number.
[00:53] <Until_It_Sleeps> nothing
[00:54] <DaSkreech> badpc: Hmm hold on
[00:54] <Kapiszon> I need small help
[00:54] <drostie> Okay. Then type in [sudo NetworkManager] , and provide your password to start it running.
[00:55] <JuJuBee> Might be easier to find a monitor... :)  Do I need Alternate cd for text installer or will server supply that option as well?
[00:55] <mefisto__> badpc: well the cd is seen by kubuntu. try playing it in amarok from the menu. I think it's something like "open audio CD"
[00:55] <drostie> Then press Alt-F2 again and type [knetworkmanager] to start the K Network Manager.
[00:55] <Until_It_Sleeps> O_o "command not found"
[00:55] <DaSkreech> badpc: engage -> Play Audio CD ?
[00:55] <GWild> Hello.  I was going to use the HOWTO on the community site to update by ATI video drivers.  I'm running Kub 8.10 and the TUTE only lists instructions up to 7.10.  Can I still use this HOWTO?
[00:55] <Kapiszon> I am really begginer with kubuntu pls help me with compile and ue this program it call. dsniff and patch is for this program gg sniff
[00:56] <Until_It_Sleeps> :'(
[00:56] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: still there?
[00:57] <badpc> mefisto__: thats what im saying there is no cd in amarock
[00:57] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Can you type, e.g. [aptitude show network-manager] and get something meaningful out?
[00:57] <maco> GWild: ati drivers are available in jocky
[00:57] <Kapiszon> pls could someone hlp me with that?
[00:57] <Until_It_Sleeps> State: not installed
[00:58] <mefisto__> badpc: Engage menu, Play audio CD
[00:58] <drostie> Good! That means aptitude exists. ^_^
[00:58] <psyco> just wondering, will compiz run faster than kwin (kde 4.2)?
[00:58] <Until_It_Sleeps> I also attempted to type in knetworkmanager in the terminal, and it says that it is not installed
[00:58] <mefisto__> badpc: or do you have amarok 2 installed?
[00:58] <drostie> Are you accessing this from a wired connection from the kubuntu PC, right now?
[00:58] <GWild> maco: This is my first Kub install (me = kub noob) - what is jocky?
[00:58] <Until_It_Sleeps> No, wired Ubuntu laptop
[00:58] <maco> GWild: type "jocky" into the searchy thingy in the kmenu and it'll find it
[00:58] <austin> Hey guys, gPodder can't find my ipod...waddui do
[00:58] <maco> it'll say Hardware Drivers, i think
[00:59] <mefisto__> jockey
[00:59] <badpc> mefisto__:  amorock 2
[00:59] <Until_It_Sleeps> and the cable isn't quite long enough to reach my PC. 9_9
[00:59] <maco> oh there's an e
[00:59] <Kapiszon> Laptop with Kubuntu aMD 64 8,1
[00:59] <mefisto__> badpc: oh. I'm trying to find how to open a cd myself now in amarok 2 :)
[01:00] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: okay, well, my first question about the pc is just what version it's running, that it doesn't have NetworkManager and knetworkmanager installed. call it personal curiosity.
[01:00] <badpc> mefisto__: kk
[01:00] <GWild> maco: got it thx
[01:00] <GWild> mefisto__: thx
[01:00] <drostie> Can you [nano /etc/apt/sources.list] and tell me what the distribution keyword is?
[01:00] <austin> anyone?
[01:01] <Kapiszon> badpc: could you help me with that?
[01:01] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: (Entries will be listed as [deb (URL) (magicword) (repository lists, multiple words)]
[01:01] <Kapiszon> what I was asking before?
[01:01] <Kapiszon> Or someone else.
[01:01] <GWild> maco: no propietary drivers are on the system - I don't know what that means.
[01:01] <austin> no one then?
[01:01] <mefisto__> badpc: apparently amarok 2 doesn't play CDs because the devs thought it wasn't important! http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php?topic=16225.0
[01:02] <maco> GWild: is that system online?
[01:02] <GWild> maco: Yes
[01:02] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: Now what?
[01:02] <badpc> mefisto__: lol thought thats what it was used for?
[01:02] <Kapiszon> GWild could you help me?
[01:02] <maco> GWild: and its not offering to get them?
[01:03] <GWild> maco: correct'
[01:03] <maco> GWild: *grumble* try installing xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[01:03] <GWild> Kapiszon: what is your issue?
[01:03] <badpc> Kapiszon: what did you need help with?
[01:03] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: erm, tell me the (magicword) part of those lines? Like I said, personal curiosity.
[01:03] <Until_It_Sleeps> alot of them do have the word "gutsy" in them btw
[01:03] <austin> ok, well anyone know a good audio recorder/mixer for kubuntu?
[01:03] <mefisto__> badpc: I think I might go back to the old amarok. I don't like the interface or the look of the new one
[01:03] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: exactly what I wanted to know. ^_^
[01:03] <Until_It_Sleeps> heh, ^_^
[01:04] <badpc> mefisto__: cool thanks allot
[01:04] <Kapiszon> I need to compile and patch program and I dont know really how to do it. I unpack it. second i use commend ./configue and I do not know what next.
[01:04] <mefisto__> badpc: anyway, you could install kaffeine. I'm sure that still plays CDs
[01:04] <Kapiszon> from terminal as root
[01:04] <badpc> mefisto__: awsome
[01:05] <GWild> maco: ADEPT search returns no hits on that (using cut/paste)
[01:05] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Okay. Gutsy is a bit old, but it can do for the next steps. *however*, an upgrade requires internet access, methinks. An alternative is to download a new live cd of Intrepid or Jaunty from kubuntu.org, and then to burn it to a CD and reinstall fresh from that.
[01:05] <maco> GWild: try it this way: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[01:05] <Until_It_Sleeps> Would using a flash drive to transfer files work too?
[01:05] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: You *might*, however, be able to install network-manager and network-manager-kde from the install CD.
[01:06] <Kapiszon> now I logged as root again
[01:06] <drostie> depends. Hey, other people in the chat room: how would you download a .deb for gutsy direct from a repository to a flash drive?
[01:06] <GWild> maco: hmm - 'could not find package'
[01:07] <GWild> Kapiszon: That's not really sufficient information to be able to help...
[01:07] <drostie> actually, that's probably not so useful, if you're missing dependencies.. hm..
[01:08] <maco> GWild: bah it changed names. xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:08] <GWild> maco: d/ling now
[01:09] <austin> hey guys how do i set my mic?
[01:09] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: Try this: put the install CD in the CD drive, then just type [sudo apt-get install network-manager], and see if it detects the package on the cdrom.
[01:09] <austin> anyone know?
[01:10] <Kapiszon> GWild: I will tell you what I done. I use command tar -zxvf dsniff-2.3.tar.gz and I use the same command for ggsniff-1.2.tar.gz
[01:11] <Until_It_Sleeps> O_O :D
[01:11] <Until_It_Sleeps> Now what?
[01:11] <drostie> Is that a good O_O :D or a bad O_O :D
[01:11] <drostie> ?
[01:11] <Until_It_Sleeps> A good one.. :D
[01:12] <mefisto__> drostie: you could download a deb direct from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:12] <drostie> okay. let me look up the package name for gutsy's knetworkmanager.
[01:13] <mefisto__> drostie: and get the depends while you're there too
[01:13] <maco> drostie: that's it
[01:13] <maco> i think...
[01:13] <maco> or network-manager-kde
[01:13] <Until_It_Sleeps> I attempted to do "sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager", and it reffered me to exactly that
[01:13] <malganis85> does enyone know how i instal visual basic using wine?
[01:13] <StR|Sangreal> hello
[01:13] <jym> not really
[01:13] <jym> malganis
[01:14] <StR|Sangreal> pls i am looking for the best total commander substitute... some advice?
[01:14] <Kapiszon> root@gabriel-laptop:/home/gabriel/Pulpit/dsniff-2.3#  patch -p1 <../ggsniff-1.2/ggsniff-1.2-dsniff-2.3-patch
[01:14] <Kapiszon> The next patch would create the file ChangeLog.ggsniff,
[01:14] <Kapiszon> which already exists!  Assume -R? [n] y
[01:14] <Kapiszon> patching file ChangeLog.ggsniff
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !visualbasic
[01:14] <Kapiszon> patching file msgsnarf.8
[01:14] <Kapiszon> patching file msgsnarf.c
[01:14] <Kapiszon> root@gabriel-laptop:/home/gabriel/Pulpit/dsniff-2.3#
[01:14] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: good. I think in newer versions it's going to start being network-manager-kde consistently.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> !find basic
[01:14] <drostie> Kapiszon: please use paste.ubuntu.com for that sort of stuff. ^_^
[01:14] <Kapiszon> GWild this is command from console
[01:15] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: Now installed. :)
[01:15] <StR|Sangreal> !flood | Kapiszon
[01:15] <StR|Sangreal> pls someone to advise me an equivalent for total commander?
[01:15] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: [sudo NetworkManager], then [knetworkmanager]. (the latter can go in either the Alt-F2 or the konsole, but it goes better in Alt-F2. It has a lot of text output that you don't necessarily want to see.)
[01:16] <GWild> maco: the module built successfully.
[01:16] <drostie> Does the gray globe appear in your system tray now?
[01:16] <majax> salut
[01:17] <Kapiszon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119881/
[01:17] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: There is now a grey thing in my system tray
[01:17] <Xenos> Uh oh
[01:18] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: right click it. Does it list "wlan0" as an accepted interface?
[01:18] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: (should be the first several lines -- eth0, wlan0)
[01:19] <drostie> it may have been overhauled between Gutsy and Intrepid; I don't know.
[01:19] <jesus_> hola
[01:19] <Until_It_Sleeps> drostie: there is no active device
[01:21] <drostie> Until_It_Sleeps: I'm not sure exactly what that means. Is there a "New Connection" prompt that lets you connect to wlan0? If not, then you don't have the wireless drivers for your laptop installed yet.
[01:22] <Kapiszon> GWild how to use make install?
[01:22] <Kapiszon> I nedd to install this soiftware in system how to do it next?
[01:23] <zer0o> hi guys, ive noticed that doin a search with skype (same parameters) come up with different results when on kubuntu or windows, basically on win it finds hundreds ppl according to the search u've done, on kubuntu it only finds a small amount of ppl and if u look for "girls" in general, only hookers... and thatz really annoying... have u noticed the same? is there something we could do to prevent "naughty results" on our searches?
[01:23] <mcrandello> join #kde
[01:23] <mcrandello> well crap
[01:23] <mcrandello> nm me
[01:24] <psyco> just wondering, will compiz run faster than kwin (kde 4.2)?
[01:26] <Kapiszon> I am really begginer with lnx pls tel me how to install program xD
[01:26] <Kapiszon> It is just to upack it?
[01:27] <mefisto__> psyco: for me, kwin is much faster (on a very humble ati X1250 onboard video)
[01:27] <mefisto__> psyco: but others say it's slow
[01:27] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: Which program?
[01:28] <drostie> Kapiszon: the normal way, and the best, is to look the program up, either in a konsole or in an installer like Adept.
[01:28] <Kapiszon> I need exactly need msgsnarf
[01:28] <psyco> I have a radeon 9600 XD 4.1 was really slow but 4.2 is better, i have to disable desktop effects though
[01:28] <Kapiszon> It is part of dsniff
[01:28] <psyco> i guess compiz is worth a shot
[01:29] <DaSkreech> !info dsniff
[01:29] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: sudo apt-get install dsniff
[01:29] <GWild> I need serious help - I just installed the xorg-driver-fglrx on my Kub 8.10 system and now the X server will not load. Any suggestions as to how I can regain use of the system via the command line?
[01:29] <Kapiszon> ok :)
[01:30] <drostie> GWild: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx?
[01:30] <GWild> drostie: I'll try that
[01:30] <Kapiszon> Ok I use it^^
[01:31] <Kapiszon> Wha next if I want to patch ggsniff for this?
[01:31] <mefisto__> GWild: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the line          Driver   "fglrx"
[01:32] <Kapiszon> I need to apply ggsniff as patch for dsniff
[01:32] <DaSkreech> What's ggsniff?
[01:32] <drostie> wiki says: gadu-gadu, the MSN for Poland.
[01:32] <Kapiszon> Ir is patch for dsniff
[01:33] <Kapiszon> Exactly
[01:33] <GWild> drostie: that worked. Thank you. I obviously need to RTFM more as a Kub noob
[01:33] <Kapiszon> I am nearly to feel like noob with this :(
[01:33] <GWild> mefisto__: I uninstalled it - thanks. I think I'll try the howto for the proprietary and see if they work
[01:34] <mefisto__> GWild: it's a common problem
[01:34] <GWild> mefisto__: just another reason to run NVID w/ Linux
[01:34] <mefisto__> !ati | GWild
[01:34] <mefisto__> GWild: happens with nvidia too
[01:34] <GWild> ubottu: That's the tute I'll be using
[01:34] <GWild> mefisto__: Ah, didn't know that
[01:35] <GWild> bottu ahahaha - I'm such a tard
[01:35] <Kapiszon> GWild would you hlp me with patch ggsniff :))
[01:35] <Kapiszon> on dsniff?
[01:36] <guadasp> hola
[01:36] <drostie> Kapiszon: is ggsniff in particular needed? or do you just need a gadu-gadu client?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: dsniff that you installed doesn't come with that?
[01:37] <guadasp> hello
[01:38] <guadasp> anybody speaks spanish?
[01:38] <drostie> Kapiszon: because if all you need is a client, you might just install [sudo apt-get install kadu]
[01:38] <Kapiszon> I do not need gg client I know what is dsniff I need only to apply paych for dsniff wich call ggsniff
[01:39] <mefisto__> !es | guadasp
[01:39] <guadasp> thanks a lot?
[01:39] <guadasp> see ya
[01:39] <Kapiszon> Ptach for dsniff is call ggsniff I I dont know how to apply thia patch
[01:40] <Kapiszon> I have really Kadu
[01:40] <Kapiszon> I know what i need
[01:42] <drostie> Kapiszon: okay. In that case. [sudo apt-get install patch] first.
[01:43] <drostie> Then figure out where dsniff was installed.
[01:43] <Kapiszon> I made that in this way
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Kapiszon: Does the dsniff that comes with ubuntu not have that patch?
[01:43] <DaSkreech>  !find ggsniff
[01:43] <Kapiszon> I like Only to read it is drug liike tv shows from brazsillia but most from live.
[01:44] <Kapiszon> Yes I downloaded ggsniff
[01:44] <Kapiszon> what's next? I have it on desktop
[01:44] <Kapiszon> I unpack it and what next?
[01:45] <drostie> Kapiszon: open it and read the file called README, it explains the rest in polski. ^_^
[01:45] <Kapiszon> ok
[01:46] <drostie> it looks like it might only work with one particular version of dsniff, which can also be downloaded on the sourceforge.net page.
[01:46] <Socceroos> Kapiszon: www.remote-exploit.org   -  download BackTrack 4.0 alpha and try that. If you're looking for a PenTest suite then that is the best.
[01:48] <drostie> That will then need to be compiled, but that's usually done by [sudo apt-get install make], go into the folder where you've untarred dsniff, then type [./configure], then [make], then [make install]
[01:52] <Luija> Hello, can someone help me to activate wifi in Kubuntu?
[01:52] <drostie> Luija: what's wrong now? ^_^
[01:53] <Luija> oh, lol, hello, let me PM u
[01:53] <Kapiszon> I want to test my frend back track will be good for tha?
[02:01] <DaSkreech> kaptengu: Yeah
[02:02] <ecosocialista> which lenguage is used to be spoken?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> !en
[02:03] <DaSkreech> ecosocialista: Which languge would you like?
[02:03] <ecosocialista> portuguese
[02:03] <ecosocialista> espanol
[02:04] <ecosocialista> whatever
[02:04] <DaSkreech> !pt
[02:04] <DaSkreech> !es
[02:04] <GWild> drostie: Are you aware of any problems with installing ATI binaries ala the community HOWTO?
[02:05] <wimpies> i run hardy.  packages for Qt4 are of version 4.3.x.  Are there packages of 4.4 or more recent or MUST i upgrade ?
[02:06] <drostie> GWild: I'm sure there are some somewhere, but I'm not personally aware of them, no. I don't have an ATi card and I haven't heard people complaining recently.
[02:06] <GWild> drostie: Ok.  Thx.
[02:07] <Luija> people, can someone help me with wifi in Kubuntu? it cant Recognize my Linksys router because i have an
[02:07] <Luija> acer aspire 4520 with Wifi Atheros AR242X/AR5007EG
[02:07] <Luija> can someone help me?
[02:07] <mefisto__> GWild: does the hardware drivers dialog in the system submenu not show anything?
[02:07] <Luija> nop
[02:08] <drostie> wimpies: if everything works, there's nothing *forcing* you to upgrade. But upgrading is generally a good idea.
[02:08] <DaSkreech> drostie: It is?
[02:08] <delirium-> how i can identify?
[02:08] <Luija> someone knows a solution to my wifi problem?
[02:09] <GWild> mefisto__: that's correct
[02:09] <wimpies> well, I have some issues with 4.3 and I think they are related to bugs.  I would want to avoid upgrading too much (not kde3-kde4 for instance) so more recented qt4 packages would be just fine for me
[02:09] <drostie> DaSkreech: do you know anybody who's still on dapper and likes it?
[02:09] <mefisto__> GWild: maybe your card is not supported?
[02:09] <Luija> exactly
[02:09] <Luija> i have atheros, thats why i need help
[02:09] <Luija> Wifi Atheros AR242X/AR5007EG
[02:10] <GWild> mefisto__: It's possible - but it's a ubiquitous card - plain old Radeon 9700
[02:10] <drostie> Luija: try this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[02:11] <Luija> thx drostie :D
[02:11] <badpc> how do you get flashplayer to work on firefox?
[02:12] <nabob> hi
[02:12] <drostie> badpc: [sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree] and hope.
[02:12] <nabob> any budy dere
[02:12] <DaSkreech> !hi
[02:13] <badpc> drostie: ty
[02:13] <nabob> do u know ny thin abt openldap
[02:13] <fidji> c'est bizarre je deconnecte avec irssi
[02:14] <drostie> !fr
[02:14] <fidji> sorry
[02:14] <fidji> ;)
[02:14] <MegaMetals> How would I set a time for the monitor to go off instead of sitting there for hours on a screen saver?
[02:14] <GWild> ca ne fait rien... :)
[02:15] <MegaMetals> nintendo wii wii ?
[02:15] <MegaMetals> :-\
[02:15] <drostie> MegaMetals: K > System Settings > Advanced > Power Management might have something useful.
[02:15] <DaSkreech> !ldap
[02:15] <MegaMetals> drostie: I don't see "power management"
[02:16] <mefisto__> GWild: says your card is supported here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware#RADEON  and here's the page on installation: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_.22the_Ubuntu_way.22
[02:16] <DaSkreech> !ldap > nabob
[02:17] <nabob> ya i know
[02:17] <nabob> is open ldap defaultly comes with kubuntu
[02:17] <drostie> MegaMetals: Are you running Intrepid or Jaunty? Are you on a PC or a Laptop? (The power savings might not be installed for PC, idk.)
[02:17] <MegaMetals> Hardy
[02:17] <MegaMetals> and PC
[02:17] <MegaMetals> (Desktop)
[02:18] <DaSkreech> nabob: If you install it
[02:18] <drostie> Hardy, k. That's KDE 3 still? I'm not familiar with where it stores power management. :-(
[02:18] <nabob> hmm
[02:18] <MegaMetals> drostie: er.. how do I know the KDE version ?
[02:19] <drostie> MegaMetals: in KDE 4, there's a hidden folder called ".kde4" in your ~ folder, for starters.
[02:20] <MegaMetals> drostie: all I see is .kde
[02:20] <GWild> mefisto__: I'll check that
[02:21] <MegaMetals> Why hasn't hardy upgraded to KDE4 ?
[02:21] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: systemsettings > Monitor & Display, power saving tab
[02:22] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: there we go.  Strange that's not turned on already like every other OS in the world
[02:23] <DaSkreech> MegaMetals: Ubuntu releases are locked to what was there when they shipped
[02:23] <MegaMetals> OK.
[02:24] <MegaMetals> Not even some "backports" would help here?
[02:24] <drostie> Also, KDE4 is still in development. KDE 4.2 was a major improve over KDE 4.1, but 4.2 is still not quite in a final state, as I would describe it.
[02:24] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: I think it depends on whether your monitor's EDID info is reachable and valid. lots of them give partial info
[02:24] <MegaMetals> EDID?
[02:25] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: extended display identification data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID
[02:26] <Elone> hi
[02:26] <delirium-> hi
[02:26] <delirium-> how i make a register?
[02:26] <delirium-> how i register my nickname
[02:26] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: Oh, I see.  The monitor is just a few years old, I would imagine it'd have that.
[02:26] <MegaMetals> msg nickserv help register
[02:26] <mefisto__> !register
[02:28] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: mine's not old either, but it gets detected as "generic LCD display" or something, and windows sees it as "plug & play monitor". neither identify it as Sony
[02:28] <MegaMetals> drostie: I wouldn't know if I'd want to upgrade to it or not anyway after installing Ubuntu at first.. Then everything lagging like a cheap cheap congress bill
[02:28] <Lummoxx_> drostie: I just updated from kde 4.1 to 4.2, and it just *feels* so much more polished than 4.1
[02:28] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: Ubuntu identified it as Dell DWPsomethingsomething , I don't know about Kubuntu
[02:29] <MegaMetals> (the monitor was correctly identified)
[02:29] <tekteen> anyone know how to change the runlevel in grub? I setup 3 to not boot X but I am having trouble booting it up
[02:29] <MegaMetals> in both Ubuntu and XP
[02:29] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: I guess my monitor is cheaper than yours :)
[02:29] <drostie> 'kay.
[02:30] <MegaMetals> I don't understand it though , I was in Ubuntu and firefox would lag when scrolling down.. Among programs in general.  Then I installed the kubuntu-desktop and KDE is running fine.
[02:34] <tekteen> anyone know how to change the runlevel in grub? I setup 3 to not boot X but I am having trouble booting it up
[02:34] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: firefox runs better in kde than gnome?
[02:35] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: yes, everything does
[02:35] <mefisto__> well that's something for kubuntu users to brag about
[02:36] <MegaMetals> Well the start is a little slower
[02:36] <MegaMetals> but the general workings is better
[02:36] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: did you install the restricted graphics driver in kde maybe?
[02:36] <MegaMetals> I'd rather wait another second for it to open then it to grab ...
[02:37] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: I already had it installed from Ubuntu
[02:37] <mefisto__> well there you go. kubuntu is just better :)
[02:37] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: I'm guessing I should have to download the Kubuntu 8.04.2 now and burn it instead of Ubuntu 8.04.2 I already burnt
[02:37] <genii> tekteen: In *buntu dists, runleveles 2,3,4 and 5 are identical.
[02:37] <tekteen> genii: I know
[02:37] <tekteen> I changed that
[02:38] <tekteen> but I do not know how to boot 3 instead of 2
[02:38] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: or 8.10, or even 9.04 which is released in april
[02:39] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: 8.10 = blow
[02:39] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: Makes my NIC just sit there and twinkle instead of getting an internal IP # and connecting
[02:39] <DaSkreech> !upstart | tekteen
[02:39] <MegaMetals> (to the home network)
[02:40] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: ahh, I think I remember your "twinkle" symptom
[02:40] <tekteen> DaSkreech: I will look into that
[02:40] <MegaMetals> Yes.  I had to give hardy those acpi work arounds to even use it.
[02:40] <MegaMetals> noapic acpi=off and nolapic
[02:40] <MegaMetals> whatever that does anyway
[02:41] <MegaMetals> I got them from Wubi that worked lol
[02:41] <genii> tekteen: " I setup 3 to not boot X but I am having trouble booting it up"     You just put a 3   at end of kernel loading line or such? X will start at run levels 2,3,4 and 5. The only ones it won't are at 1 (single user) and the useless 0 or 6 (stop/reboot)
[02:41] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: well that's probably why the power saving was not on by default
[02:42] <tekteen> genii: I knew about the runlevel stuff. But I just need to put a 3 at the end of the kernel line? thanks
[02:42] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: acpi and apic is hardware power management, and you disabled it in k/ubuntu
[02:42] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: hardy (no matter what version) would not boot to the install without them (at first no-acpi is all I needed), and then I got a new external that hung up on boot (for some reason) so I added the other two
[02:42] <MegaMetals> and it magically worked
[02:43] <genii> tekteen: Let me know how it goes.
[02:43]  * genii sips
[02:43] <MegaMetals> no-acpi = acpi=off
[02:43] <GWild> mefisto__: In attempting to build the package it fails - just hangs. I tried it a few times - same result.  Is it possible I need to remove 'partially' installed package?
[02:43] <tekteen> genii: I will do it shortly, thanks :-)
[02:43] <mefisto__> GWild: quite likely
[02:44] <GWild> k
[02:44] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: however, the Intrepid would make it to install and install.. besides the NIC or something not working right
[02:44] <mefisto__> GWild: sudo apt-get remove --purge        to get rid of everything
[02:45] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: is it a laptop?
[02:45] <GWild> mefisto__: ok - what, exactly, will that be purging...? ;-)
[02:45] <mefisto__> GWild: purge removes any settings that are associated with the package
[02:46] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: no
[02:46] <GWild> mefisto__: Hmm, seems to have run it's course this time - but again - no information output by jockey
[02:46] <MegaMetals> mefisto__: It's a Dell Inspiron 530
[02:48] <MegaMetals> AKA "I just paid $530 over what I should"
[02:49] <Xenos> It's one of those Dell Too Expensive's?
[02:49] <tekteen> genii: it did not work
[02:49] <tekteen> $ runlevel
[02:49] <tekteen> N 2
[02:50] <genii> tekteen: I know, for the reasons I painfully tried to explain to you earlier
[02:50] <MegaMetals> Xenos: everything looked good when I had $1k to spend and I was on a P2 450 MHz, 10 GB hard drive, 320 MBs of PC1000 RAM, and a VooDoo 3 3dfx 8MB
[02:50] <MegaMetals> I was ready to get off of it no matter what
[02:50] <MegaMetals> after 9 years
[02:50] <tekteen> genii: what is the problem?
[02:51] <genii> tekteen: 2=2 2=3 2=4 2=5    3=2 3=3 3=4 3=5   4=2 4=3 4=4 4=5      etc
[02:52] <tekteen> I changes 3
[02:52] <genii> tekteen: The only runlevel you can set which is different than 2 is 0,1 or 6
[02:52] <tekteen> why is that?
[02:52] <genii> tekteen: Lemme find a doc for you to possibly read
[02:53] <genii> tekteen: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/runlevels.htm
[02:53] <tekteen> 1 is single, 0 is hault, and 6 is reboot
[02:53] <tekteen> none of those are useful lol
[02:53] <genii> tekteen: Yes. All other runlevels equal 2
[02:54] <MegaMetals> Oh yes, I wanted someone to check to see if this would be correct to mount the windows (NTFS) partition so I can share my music and other folders over the network , in the fstab: " /dev/sda2 <tab> /media/windows <tab> ntfs <tab> defaults <tab> 0 <tab> 0 "
[02:55] <MegaMetals> or do I need some fancy stuff besides defaults
[02:55] <genii> tekteen: Perhaps if you explained rather what you are trying to achieve it ight be useful, to find a way of accomplishing it
[02:55] <tekteen> genii: it does not say you can not change a runlevel from the default state
[02:55] <tekteen> genii: I changed level 3 to not boot X
[02:56] <tekteen> genii: now I am trying to boot into the runlevel
[02:56] <drostie> tekteen: why do you need X to stop booting on runlevel 3, exactly?
[02:56] <genii> tekteen: Runlevel 3 is actually the traditional runlevel that DOES run X.
[02:56] <tekteen> genii: I thought that was runlevel 5
[02:56] <tekteen> genii: It does not matter, I figured it was the one after 2 which is default
[02:57] <tekteen> genii: My ultimate goal is to boot without X sometimes by editing grub
[02:57] <drostie> MegaMetals: that's probably okay, if you're okay with default mount options.
[02:57] <mefisto__> genii: so that applies to all debian-based OSes?
[02:58] <genii> mefisto__: Yes
[02:58] <MegaMetals> drostie: would it be possible to make it 'read only' ?
[02:58] <MegaMetals> drostie: So I don't have the chkdsk happening everytime I boot in to windows
[02:58] <drostie> tekteen: why not just jump into a TTY when you need it? (Ctrl+Alt+F1 to jump to TTY, Ctrl+Alt+F7 to jump back)
[02:58] <genii> tekteen: tekteenThats what single user is for. You can go to X runlevel from there by:   telinit 2
[02:59] <genii> bah
[02:59] <DaSkreech> genii: Can't you edit the run levels manually?
[02:59] <drostie> MegaMetals: [man mount] suggests that the "ro" option does exactly what you want.
[02:59] <genii> DaSkreech: Yes
[03:00] <MegaMetals> drostie: so something like ro,defaults ? or just ro
[03:01] <drostie> you should really get used to reading man pages yourself. defaults comes with rw so the behavior might be unexpected.
[03:01] <genii> DaSkreech: But currently if you examine closely the contents of /etc/rc2.d  /etc/rc3.d    and so on they are identical
[03:02] <genii> DaSkreech: You'd need to specify with update-rc.d manually each specific set of runlevels for each specific script for it to matter
[03:02] <DaSkreech> geniown kIh Yeai:
[03:02] <DaSkreech> oh good grief
[03:02] <DaSkreech> genii: yeah I know
[03:03]  * genii makes more coffee
[03:06] <pabloandres> hi everybody did someone can help me
[03:08] <DaSkreech> !ask
[03:08] <DaSkreech> !someone
[03:08] <genii> DaSkreech: To late....
[03:12] <GWild> mefisto__: sorry to bother you - can you tell me how I would go about reversing the process described in http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide?
[03:12] <mefisto__> MegaMetals: man mount.ntfs has examples for what you want in fstab
[03:12] <GWild> mefisto__: my system fails every boot - will not load the x server and kicks to a prompt
[03:13] <mefisto__> GWild: you made debs and installed them with dpkg -i  correct?
[03:13] <GWild> mefisto__: correct
[03:14] <GWild> use -u to uninstall?
[03:14] <mefisto__> GWild: simply do dpkg -r to remove them
[03:14] <austin> how do i get virtual box to see my disc driver and ethernet
[03:14] <austin> ?
[03:15] <mefisto__> GWild: and change xorg.conf back too I suppose
[03:15] <genii> austin: PErhaps enquire of that in #vbox channel
[03:15] <GWild> mefisto__: right - tried an old version first but looks like I need to uninstall
[03:16] <austin> oh ok ty
[03:16] <GWild> mefisto__: Heh - recommend a good (and cheap) video card?........
[03:16] <austin> genni: thanks
[03:22] <mefisto__> GWild: well mine is cheap and working with the ati restricted driver, onboard X1250 but I wouldn't say it's good. It's just OK and works with k/ubuntu. I just had to tweak xorg.conf to get resolution right, but other than that it was easy. just installed fglrx with the hardware drivers dialog (jockey). Other than that, I don't know. I used to have a similar ati card to yours that worked until gutsy (I think) but one day an update came and it wasn't
[03:22] <mefisto__> supported so I had to go back to the open source driver
[03:25] <DaSkreech> genii: OK This is annoying
[03:25] <DaSkreech> My mouse is stukc
[03:25] <DaSkreech> stuck
[03:25] <DaSkreech> It picked up somgo etlt n'wo nd anggian hts iah dnag inhte
[03:25] <DaSkreech> and it's messingrdaobyeke  ththwi
[03:25] <GWild> mefisto__: it appears tha t I was able to back those packages out. I need to find a better card.
[03:25] <genii> Hmm
[03:25] <GWild> mefisto__: I appreciate the assistance
[03:25] <DaSkreech> It picked up something and has it hanging and won't let go
[03:26] <DaSkreech> and it's messing with the keyboard
[03:26] <mefisto__> GWild: no problem
[03:26] <genii> DaSkreech: Unplug, clean it, plug back in?
[03:26] <DaSkreech> genii: No It's software I dragged a link and when I let go the link didn't drop
[03:26] <DaSkreech> it's hanging on the end of the mouse
[03:26] <DaSkreech> so Ican't click or do anything
[03:27] <mefisto__> GWild: maybe try googling your card + kubuntu intrepid and see if someone else has found a way to do it
[03:27] <DaSkreech> I don't really use the mouse that much but I'm starting to find small places where you have to use the mouse
[03:27] <DaSkreech> can I restart the mouse pointer?
[03:27] <GWild> mefisto__: That's what I'm going to do - back to the Kub box now..
[03:27] <Ch1ppy> Hey, does anyone know where I can get the libmsn0.1 package from?
[03:28] <genii> DaSkreech: No immediate solution comes to mind :/
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Restart X huh?
[03:31] <mefisto__> could you maybe unload/reload a module?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> For the mouse?
[03:32] <mefisto__> yeah
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Probably not likely
[03:35] <mefisto__> sudo modprobe -r mouse_drv.so && sudo modprobe mouse_drv.so     maybe? worth a try
[03:37] <DaSkreech> No such module
[03:37] <mefisto__> without the .so   ?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> Nope
[03:37] <mefisto__> DaSkreech: I found mouse_drv.so in xorg logs
[03:38] <DaSkreech> You need to look in the kernel logs
[03:38] <DaSkreech>  or lsmod
[03:40] <mefisto__> mouse   or   psmouse   ?
[03:41] <noren_> hi
[03:41] <DaSkreech> USB mouse I don't know which that falls under
[03:42] <DaSkreech> !hi
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Hi noren_
[03:42] <noren_> fell assleep doing the update last night just woke up ( kde 4.2) again today
[03:43] <DaSkreech> hi sparky1
[03:43] <drmrhorse> anybody use a service menu to mount isos?
[03:44] <downhill_> service menu?
[03:44] <drmrhorse> yes, theres a kde service menu called mountiso
[03:44] <downhill_> whoa I had no idea this channel was logged
[03:45] <drmrhorse> weird
[03:45] <sparky1> Hi
[03:45] <sparky1> I have
[03:45] <sparky1> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integ
[03:45] <sparky1> rated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[03:45] <sparky1> oops
[03:45] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: I use that in hardy
[03:45] <drmrhorse> i use hardy as well
[03:46] <drmrhorse> where does it mount to?
[03:46] <noren_> DaSkreech: i think i will succced today in updating it properly
[03:46] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: it asks you where you want to mount to
[03:46] <DaSkreech> noren_: I'll help
[03:46] <drmrhorse> mine does not have a dialog for that. did you select the kdesu or the sudo option?
[03:47] <drmrhorse> or maybe that doesnt matter, idk
[03:52] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: this is what I have: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=61955&forumpage=0&PHPSESSID=e5af
[03:52] <drmrhorse> ah, this is a different service menu. i will give it a try, thanks!
[03:53] <sparky1> and it will not go to 1280x1024 Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03), only 1280x800
[03:55] <MegaMetals> What would be an app like "AnalogX's Netstat Live" ?
[03:56] <genii> sparky1: Does your lcd support the resolution ?
[03:57] <sparky1> yes
[03:57] <genii> sparky1: On the laptop I have for instance, exact same video. but my lcd only can physically do 1280x800
[03:59] <r3db0x> how do i keep the programs open on desktop 1 from being shown in the task tray in the other desktops?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: Are you on KDE 4.1 or 4.2 ?
[04:01] <noren_> DaSkreech: dpkg error it did not configure completly
[04:01] <DaSkreech> noren_: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:01] <r3db0x> 4.1
[04:02] <noren_> APT Error. Context:
[04:02] <noren_>     Running dpkg,
[04:02] <noren_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --configure, -a ],
[04:02] <noren_>     Sup-process returned error code 1
[04:02] <genii> sparky1: So if you have read-edid installed, a command like:  sudo get-edid | parse-edid                        shows that the monitor has a possible setting higher than 1280x800 ?
[04:03] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: I don't think that option is in 4.1
[04:03] <DaSkreech> noren_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:03] <r3db0x> DaSkreech: is it an option in 4.2?
[04:04] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: yes
[04:04] <r3db0x> mmm sounds like i might want to update then
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Maybe
[04:06] <noren_> how can i paste long error here
[04:07] <DaSkreech> !paste
[04:07] <r3db0x> DaSkreech: any reason not to...like nasty know bugs?
[04:08] <noren_> DaSkreech:  my konquror has stopped working ,,
[04:08] <DaSkreech> r3db0x: Umm Well KDE 4.1.x has quite a few bugfixes. KDE 4.2.0 has lots of eatures which probably means new bugs
[04:09] <DaSkreech> noren_: Of course it did
[04:09] <DaSkreech> noren_: Umm can you install epihany ?
[04:11] <noren_> APT Error. Context:
[04:11] <noren_>     Running dpkg,
[04:11] <noren_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4-0x1.0dff4bfef7ec4p-1494.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb ],
[04:11] <noren_>     Sup-process returned error code 1
[04:12] <genii> noren_: Please consider using pastebin
[04:12] <noren_> APT Error. Context:
[04:12] <genii> Hm
[04:12] <noren_>     Running dpkg,
[04:12] <noren_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4-0x1.0dff4bfef7ec4p-1494.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb ],
[04:12] <genii> noren_: Please consider using pastebin
[04:13] <noren_>     Sup-process returned error code 1
[04:13] <noren_> genii: browsser not working here
[04:13] <genii> noren_: Use pastebinit then
[04:13] <noren_> is there any otherrre way around
[04:14] <genii> noren_: Pastebinit is a CLI pastebin app.   Try closing some things (but not your IRC client just yet)
[04:28] <drmrhorse> mefisto__: sorry to interrupt again, im having trouble unmounting the file. im also having trouble googleing the umount command and understanding the man page
[04:28] <maco> i would like to know what "the history of white people" means when the history of the Britons and the history of the French and the history of Italians and the history of Austrians and the history of Swedes are all so different
[04:28] <drmrhorse> i remember it being easy
[04:28] <genii> maco: ... ot ..... :)
[04:29] <wrinkliez> hey guys, i installed seamonkey and then wanted to uninstall it, and now the icon is still stuck in the kmenu. any ideas?
[04:29] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: man umount     or     umount --help
[04:30] <mefisto__> drmrhorse: it is easy: sudo umount /path/to/mount
[04:30] <Luija> geni iiihave just2 wwindows  oppenn annd  i restttartttted
[04:30] <maco> genii: oh right
[04:30] <drmrhorse> awesome, thanks
[04:30] <maco> genii: i was just trying to point out that what he said was historically and culturally...well...nonsense
[04:30] <Luija> whenever i press any kkey,it have a lag ooof 3 seconds  ffor writting WTF
[04:30] <Luija> [23:28] <Luija> i hhhavvve tooooo   hhold tttthe kkey fooor 3 seccconds fffforrr wrrritiiiing
[04:30] <maco> slow keys
[04:30] <maco> or sticky keys
[04:30] <maco> i dont know how to make it go away
[04:30] <Luija> ssllowwww
[04:31] <genii> maco: If you want to debate stuff with them, invite them to an appropriate channel for that discussion please
[04:31] <Luija> SSSHITTT
[04:31] <maco> there's some gesture that makes it happen, but i cant find where in kde that gesture is set to find out what i'm doing that makes it start doing that
[04:31] <bazhang> Luija, no cursing please
[04:31] <genii> Luija: Pleae, I know is frustrating. But watch the language...    Did you try as I said, to close whatever apps might be chewing up your cpu?
[04:32]  * genii sneaks bazhang a cookie and coffee
[04:32] <Luija> sssssssssssry
[04:32] <Luija> noo iiii ccloseddddddddd apps
[04:33] <Luija> and stiillllllll slloww llaaginng keyssss
[04:33] <genii> Luija: Do you have something like Google Desktop    or Strigi   installed?
[04:33]  * drmrhorse giggles
[04:34] <bazhang> Luija, uncheck keyboard repeat
[04:34] <Luija> nnno :SS
[04:34] <bazhang> Luija, lag has nothing to do with it.
[04:34] <Luija> ii canttttttttt bazz
[04:34] <maco> genii: that's not the problem
[04:34] <maco> it's Sticky Keys
[04:35] <maco> i hit it all the time when i use Inkscape
[04:35] <genii> maco: You've seen it before?
[04:35] <maco> yes
[04:35]  * genii defers to maco
[04:35] <bazhang> Luija, sure you can; just take your time and fix it
[04:35] <Luija> sssssssssstttickyy whaatttt???
[04:35] <maco> i think it's due to holding down the shift key too long
[04:35] <maco> dtchen says it's suppsoed to ask if i want to turn on sticky keys. it does *not* ask!
[04:35] <bazhang> or keyboard is set to repeat
[04:35] <drmrhorse> mine asked
[04:35] <bazhang> yep
[04:35] <drmrhorse> windows also has this problem
[04:36] <maco> i *think* if you go system settings -> accessibility -> activation gestrures and uncheck "use gestures for activatig sticky keys and slow keys" it should stop being enable-able
[04:36] <genii> I could see that causing annoying repeat when you don't want it... but it also causes letters not to appear for 3 seconds or so til after you've hit the key? Doesn't seem correct symptom to me...
[04:36] <mefisto__> I remember something like what maco says too
[04:36] <bazhang> Luija, what version of kubuntu; 8.10?
[04:37] <Luija> yesss
[04:37] <maco> genii: that's why sticky keys are also called slow keys in gnome
[04:37] <genii> Ah, "slow keys"
[04:37] <maco> you have to hold it down for a bit before the key is activated. once it's held it'll repeat til you let go
[04:37] <Luija> yeeeees geniiiiiiiiiii
[04:37] <Luija> yes   mmmaco
[04:38] <Luija> solllllllllluuuuuttttiion?
[04:38] <maco> genii: if you want to instant-enable it, there's a "use slow keys" checkbox in Accessibility -> Keyboard filters for ya
[04:38]  * genii makes sure to avoid ever setting that
[04:38] <Luija> ?????????
[04:38] <maco> Luija: i'm not sure how to disable it once it's enabled, but if you go system settings -> accessibility -> activation gestrures and uncheck "use gestures for activatig sticky keys and slow keys" it should stop being able to be activated
[04:39] <maco> Luija: once you log out it'll go back to normal too
[04:39] <mefisto__> systemsettings > accessibility, activation gestures tab
[04:39] <Luija> nnoo iiresssssssssttarteedddd aannddd no
[04:40] <Luija> let mytrrytorestartagain
[04:40] <mefisto__> I just helped Luija get wifi working, following method 2 here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[04:41] <maco> it stayed enabled?
[04:41] <Luija> yesssss =(
[04:41] <mefisto__> after reboot, the typing problem
[04:41] <mefisto__> but wifi is working :)
[04:41] <maco> Luija: is it enabled in the Keyboard Filters part then?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> genii: seen that apt error before?
[04:41]  * genii wakes up
[04:41] <maco> that part does persist across sessions
[04:42] <genii> DaSkreech: ?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> noren's error
[04:42] <DaSkreech> noren: You left. We figured out a way for your error to get pasted :)
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Join #noren-paste
[04:45] <Luija> iiiiihhhhhaaveesstil
[04:46] <Luija> whaaaatt  filltterr    wwwereee u  tallkkkiinnn  abouuuuuttt'??????
[04:47] <bazhang> Luija, system settings; see it?
[04:47] <mefisto__>  systemsettings > accessibility, activation gestures tab
[04:47] <Luija> yyyeees
[04:47] <aacosta> Hello
[04:47] <maco> mefisto__: or in Keyboard Filters, the tab to the left of that. that's the one that persists across sessions.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> !hi
[04:47] <mefisto__> maco: ok
[04:48] <mefisto__> slow keys?
[04:48] <Luija> Nce  mmaco!!
[04:48] <Luija> bbut i hhave a ffastt keyys probbllem  now LLOOLL
[04:49] <genii> Hm.
[04:49]  * genii hands maco an extra strong coffee
[04:49] <Luija> Yeah all done!
[04:49] <Luija> all normal
[04:49] <Luija> thx maco
[04:49] <drmrhorse> no more stutter!
[04:49] <genii> Yay!
[04:50] <Luija> but how the slow keys was activated??
[04:50] <Luija> it was desactivated before
[04:50] <drmrhorse> i have a problem that gives me an irc lishhhp
[04:50] <drmrhorse> haha
[04:51] <mefisto__> Luija: maybe that linux-backports-modules-intrepid package we installed has a bug that enabled it?
[04:51] <Luija> maybe mefisto
[04:52] <Luija> but wait
[04:52] <Luija> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[04:52] <Luija> guys mefisto help me with method two
[04:52] <kuaera_> Anyone here having login problems with KDE on Jaunty?
[04:52] <Luija> if u have problems with wifi, use method 2, in kubuntu
[04:52] <Luija> thx a lot mefisto :)
[04:52] <mefisto__> np
[04:58] <sille> anyone here aware of any "eye candy" that can be disabled to improve general performance... similar to window's option to "adjust for better performance" by disabling visual enhancements???
[04:59] <maco> sille: disable compositing
[04:59] <sille> re: kubuntu...
[04:59] <sille> maco: whre compositing??
[05:00] <nbaer>
[05:00] <maco> sille: system settings -> desktop. uncheck "enable desktop effects"
[05:01] <sille> maco: is there an area in settings in kubuntu similar to windoze performance areea?
[05:01] <maco> sille: in power management you can setup profiles for power settings...things like lowering screen brightness, turning off desktop effects, when to suspend...
[05:02] <Bsims> I can't get kde 4.2 to use system bell as a notification and a desktop view to /media/disk-1 doesn't work on boot and in fact crashes plasma any ideas
[05:04] <mefisto__> Bsims: is /media/disk-1 mounted from fstab?
[05:04] <Bsims> mefisto__: correct
[05:04] <DaSkreech> noren: Are you back?
[05:06] <nbaer> Upgraded Kubuntu 8.10 to kde 4.2
[05:07] <nbaer> Under System Setting, Multiple Desktops, got  error,
[05:07] <nbaer> The shared library was not found.Library "kcm_kwindesktop" not found
[05:07] <nbaer> Any suggestions?
[05:07] <Bsims> anyone else use konversation I got some questions
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Sure
[05:09] <Bsims> DaSkreech: I can't get it to ding the system bell on each new message, and up arrow doesn't repeat what I said
[05:10] <genii> nbaer: Does: apt-cache policy kde-window-manager                say this package is installed? According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/303540  this is where that library exists
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Bsims: both should work
[05:11] <Bsims> DaSkreech: Well I can't get it to work... not in kde as a notification anyway
[05:11] <dangaio> I have just noticed that my update notifier is indicating about 111 packages to upgrade.
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Pressing up doesn't bring up your last entry/
[05:11] <dangaio> upon looking at them, most of the kde4 packages are slated to be removed.
[05:11] <dangaio> is this right?
[05:11] <Bsims> DaSkreech: Nope
[05:11] <nbaer> genil: Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.
[05:11] <Bsims> does nothing
[05:11] <dangaio> I am running 8.10 with kernel 2.6.27-11
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Should work out of the box
[05:12] <genii> nbaer: You're welcome
[05:12] <DaSkreech>  In fact you shouldn't be able to turn that off
[05:12] <Bsims> used to stopped working, and a fstab mounted folder view crashed plasma on reboot
[05:13] <Bsims> DaSkreech: I like 4.2 but its little wierd crap like this that galls
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Bsims: It works here
[05:14] <DaSkreech> and konversation is KDE3 so nothing in KDE 4 phases it
[05:14] <Bsims> Sigh I guess I'll remove konversation's config and start over
[05:14] <DaSkreech> You aren't supposed to be able to change tha
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Bsims: Sure back it up and remove it
[05:15] <Bsims> but there is no earthly reason I can think of why on a virgin install I can't tell 4.2 to used the bloody system speaker
[05:15] <Bsims> It dings all right through my headphones on my desk
[05:15] <Bsims> Not the one in the computer case
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Oh I've never tried that actaully
[05:16] <Bsims> I even tried to tell it to run a program that does nothing but ring the bell
[05:17]  * Bsims pronounces curses on it
[05:23] <Bsims> Testing
[05:23] <Bsims> Well recreating my settings got the up arrow back
[05:24] <sille> maco: still here??  re: turning off 'eye candy in kubuntu...  couldn't find any sections labeled "compositing, desktop effects, or an area called powere setings.  Maybe feisty didn't come with these setting options?? pls advise.
[05:24] <Bsims> telling it to beep on new mesage nope
[05:24] <maco> sille: FEISTY?!
[05:24] <maco> sille: feisty's dead
[05:24] <sille> fiesty?  sp??
[05:24] <bazhang> !upgrade
[05:24] <maco> i'm looking at a KDE4 session
[05:24] <maco> that'd be hardy or newer
[05:24] <sille> mmmmm... k.
[05:25] <bazhang> feisty is end of life; check that link under gutsyupgrades
[05:25] <Bsims> How by the Kindly Ones can I get a plain system bell to work as a notification on KDE 4.2 on intrepid
[05:26] <DaSkreech> !feisty
[05:28] <mefisto__> Bsims: you could record a beep, and use that file as a notification :P
[05:28] <DaSkreech> n__: Hello ?
[05:29] <bernier> Hi, I have the nvidia 180 driver installed and working but on every boot i get kwin crashing. Anyone may know why? im running kubuntu jauunty x64
[05:29] <Bsims> mefisto__: the whole point is I don't want it in my headphones I want it on my system speaker built into my computer... I even told it to run a command that does nothing but make it beep. WTF its not rocket science I would have thought
[05:29] <sille> maco: kde v 3.5 ... im pretty sure I have fiesty.  Think that I tried upgrade and did not care for the "new feel".  yes... i know... dead.. although unsupported seems to work ok.
[05:31] <sille> maco: you  aware of any effects that canbe disabled in this version to save significantly on sys resources??
[05:32] <maco> no, i dont think there were desktop effects in kwin that long ago
[05:32] <maco> feisty was a *very* light-weight release overall
[05:32] <maco> but running software that's no longer receiving security updates is a bad idea
[05:32] <maco> hardy *does* have a kde 3.5.9 option
[05:33] <maco> i really encourage you to give 4.2 a try though. i switched from gnome because 4.2's so nice :P
[05:33] <maco> (4.2 will be in jaunty, but it's installable on intrepid)
[05:36] <sille> maco:  will look in to upgrade... guess i just got used to this layout.. very simple.. as you said "light weight " Esp for my current linux system.  Thx for feedback.
[05:37] <sille> maco: meaning slowere overall pc... limited RAm and processing pwr
[05:38] <maco> sille: gotcha
[05:45] <mefisto__> hardy had 3.5.10
[05:48] <genii> Well, 3.5.8 or so originally
[05:49] <Bsims> What I want to know is who thought it a good idea to route system bell over bloody speakers.... or more specificaly why the merry fsck I can't tell kde 4.2 latest and freaking greatest to ring the same *amned bell that urxvt manages to find
[05:51] <sille> terminal command to show system resources??
[05:52] <triptec> I got a problem, when I drag a plasma applet between my screens (ati big screen) it loses it's looks to some gray thing until I drop it.. any clues?
[05:52] <Bsims> sille apt-get install saidar
[05:54] <genii> sille: top
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Bsims: #kde ?
[06:02] <Bsims> working there too
[06:02] <Bsims> no real answer
[06:02] <Bsims> its the little things that drive ya nuts though
[06:04] <Luija> amazing, kubuntu is really sweet,  i changed because vista blocked and i lost all my data lol i am pleased i change :D i have wifi and nvidia resolution =)
[06:05] <Luija> all nice, and sudo app get install pretty quick :D
[06:06] <triptec> does anyone know if vga=xxx in menu.lst might cause hw corruption??
[06:06] <Bsims> Luija: Heh how does it feel to use an OS that sucks less
[06:06] <Luija> LOL amazing
[06:06] <Bsims> triptec: you mean burning up your monitor
[06:06] <Bsims> remarkably unlikely if it was made this century
[06:07] <Luija> i wanted to throw all my data when vista crashed, i was like: WTF, f****** vista, all my data T_T
[06:07] <Luija> lol
[06:07] <triptec> Bsims: yeah really great when it comes to acually useful apps, cad, ps, flash, 3d...
[06:07] <triptec> Bsims: no video card
[06:07] <Bsims> Luija: HD crashes can happen here to... The One true faith is this: Backup
[06:08] <Luija> nonono
[06:08] <Luija> i am not saying HD
[06:08] <Luija> general little crash
[06:08] <Bsims> Oh the little things
[06:08] <Luija> like when firefox crash, and all system is blocked lololol
[06:08] <Bsims> It can still happen but less often
[06:08] <Luija> i needed to restard, and i didnt save my data in word lol
[06:08] <Luija> oh, sweet
[06:08] <Luija> at least "less" is a big something
[06:08] <Bsims> and generaly when it does... you can often know why
[06:08] <triptec> X can be somewhat a pain at times..
[06:09] <Luija> oh yeah, not knowing what crash is a pain in vista
[06:09] <Luija> oh and, how i can configure the grub so if i dont choose a OS in 10 seconds, it choose kubuntu and not vista?
[06:09] <Bsims> triptec: thats why you hit ctrl alt f1 or f2 and restart x from there
[06:09] <triptec> Bsims: what do you usally use your computer for?
[06:10] <Luija> Bsims: how i can configure the grub so if i dont choose a OS in 10 seconds, it choose kubuntu and not vista?
[06:10] <Bsims> Luija: Hrm I'll look up how to change defaults
[06:10] <Luija> thx
[06:10] <Bsims> triptec: to play games in wine, irc, browse the net, light office work the usual
[06:10] <triptec> Bsims: yeah I know those, just thinking about earlier today, Xorg took 100% cpu and didn't listen to the kb, couldn't even change capslock;)
[06:11] <Luija> i know why linux users always say Vista sucks hard, when i used vista i was saying: thats bullshit, when my vista crashed, i said: LOL they have 200% reason
[06:11] <Bsims> Its a little beyond you at this stage, it requires using the command line Luija
[06:12] <Luija> can u explain me in detail pls?
[06:12] <triptec> Bsims: yeah for those thing I love linux, and to do all services, mpd, http, vlc list goes on..
[06:12]  * Bsims smiles but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34393 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2469847
[06:12] <Luija> i have used konsole for app get and commands, so it will not be a big problem
[06:12] <Luija> thx :)
[06:13] <ibuffy> are there job opportunities for kubuntu in the near future? i see tons listed on ubuntu.com but nothing mentioning kde..
[06:13] <mefisto__> isn't there a grub editor gui these days?
[06:13] <Cybio> Luija: sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst ... change the default parameter from 0 or 1  to any other boot option nr you like
[06:13]  * Bsims grins Luija you can run if you learn enough the exact same versions the developers are using
[06:13] <Bsims> mefisto__: probably I've never seen the need I run linux only
[06:14] <triptec> mefisto__: yeah in kde 4.1 atleast
[06:14] <mefisto__> kgrubeditor
[06:14] <maco> mefisto__: boot-up-manager?
[06:15] <triptec> System Settings->Advanced
[06:15] <triptec> GRUB Editor
[06:15] <wildbat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119980/   anyone have any idea how to fix this error?
[06:16] <triptec> Luija: did u find the GRUB Editor?
[06:16] <mefisto__> maco: it edits menu.lst so you can easily add a menu background, change the usual grub settings, add/remove kernels and/or kernel options
[06:16] <Luija> wait trip
[06:16] <maco> mefisto__: i think it's b-u-m
[06:17] <Luija> sudo /boot/grub/menu.lst true?
[06:17] <maco> Luija: your keyboard working again?
[06:17] <maco> Luija: you need to name an editor in there
[06:17] <Luija> lol yessssssss thx maco :D
[06:17] <Cybio> Luija: sudo is only to get admin rights
[06:18] <triptec> anyone tried Arch?
[06:18] <mefisto__> from vista to vim in one day :)
[06:19] <Luija> bsims: this error appear
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 14: default: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 19: timeout: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 126: title: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 128: kernel: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 129: initrd: not found
[06:19] <Luija> /boot/grub/menu.lst: 131: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[06:19] <Luija> sudo gksudo /boot/grub/menu.lst was what i write in konsole
[06:19] <Luija> :)
[06:20] <triptec> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.list
[06:20] <triptec> sorry .lst
[06:20] <triptec> not list
[06:20] <Luija> nice
[06:20] <Luija> i am in
[06:20] <Luija> now what i do triptec?
[06:21] <mefisto__> change the timeout line to the number of seconds you want before boot
[06:21] <triptec> when u see the menu which one do you want to start
[06:21] <triptec> ?
[06:21] <Luija> kubuntu :)
[06:21] <triptec> 0 being the top one
[06:22] <triptec> k, then the line default should be 0 but I guess it is
[06:22] <Luija> its 0, but i must change it to 1 no?
[06:22] <Luija> how i do that?}
[06:23] <mefisto__> no, 0 is the first one
[06:23] <Luija> i want the second one to be booted :)
[06:23] <mefisto__> 1 would be the second (recovery mode)
[06:23] <Luija> second one is kubuntu
[06:23] <triptec> well if kubuntu is the latest os u installed it should automagicly be the default
[06:23] <triptec> aka no need to change
[06:23] <Luija> ehhhmm...
[06:23] <Luija> nop
[06:23] <Luija> after 10 seconds
[06:23] <Luija> it boot vista :S
[06:23] <triptec> hmm
[06:24] <triptec> paste the file on pastebin and giv me adress
[06:24] <triptec> give*
[06:24] <triptec> http://pastebin.com/
[06:26] <Luija> http://pastebin.com/d4f62fe4e :)
[06:27] <triptec> Luija: are you in kde by any chance?
[06:27] <mefisto__> not enough Luija
[06:27] <Luija> yep :)
[06:27] <Cybio> Luija: ... you can already edit right away ... ^O means write the changes to the file .... with CTRL O
[06:27] <Luija> not enough mefisto? what u mean
[06:28] <mefisto__> open it in kate and copy the whole thing: kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:28] <Cybio> CTRL X (^X) is exit
[06:28] <triptec> instead if nano use "sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:29] <Luija> and why i always end in kate? lol
[06:29] <Luija> for wifi i also ended in kate lol
[06:29] <triptec> easier to copy from
[06:29] <triptec> ;)
[06:29] <Luija> ok, let me do that :P
[06:29] <Luija> i am in kate
[06:29] <Luija> what i do now?
[06:29] <triptec> well need more than the first 10 lines
[06:30] <triptec> try to mark and copy the whole file
[06:30] <Luija> change 0 to 1?
[06:30] <Luija> because 0 is vista and 1 is kubuntu
[06:30] <triptec> then yeah change it to 1
[06:31] <Luija> where i can change the seconds it needs to boot a system automatically?
[06:31] <Cybio> timeout         10 ...... change that
[06:31] <maco> vista's #0?
[06:31] <maco> cant you just put vista's stanza after the "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LINES" section?
[06:32] <Luija> triptec, i changed all what i needed to 1 :D
[06:32] <Luija> now, where i copy that?
[06:32] <triptec> just save and ur ok
[06:33] <Luija> nice, let me try to reboot :)
[06:33] <triptec> but I'd like to see the file, could you paste it?
[06:33] <Luija> oh
[06:33] <Luija> lol
[06:33] <Luija> wait, let me open it again
[06:33] <mefisto__> Luija: you sure you're doing it right?
[06:33] <Luija> i think lol
[06:34] <Luija> http://pastebin.com/d6655364f
[06:34] <Luija> here it is
[06:34] <Luija> i copy pasted the first 10 lines, the lines where i made changes
[06:34] <Luija> i mean
[06:34] <Luija> 19 lines lol
[06:34] <triptec> yeah we need the bottom lines lol
[06:35] <Luija> LOL
[06:35] <Luija> ...
[06:35] <mefisto__> Luija: ctrl-A  to select all. then ctrl-C to copy it
[06:36] <Luija> here is all lol
[06:36] <Luija> http://pastebin.com/d43dc7497
[06:36] <Cybio> Luija: with a corrupted menu.lst file you may be possibly left with an un bootable system .... better be sure ;-)
[06:36] <Luija> 0_0}
[06:36] <triptec> ubuntu is first, it should be 0
[06:36] <Luija> no...
[06:36] <Luija> 0 is vista
[06:36] <Luija> 1 is ubuntu
[06:37] <Luija> i checked already ;)
[06:37] <Luija> is all good?
[06:37] <Luija> i dont want a dead laptop of 1500$ LOL
[06:37] <mefisto__> Luija: vista is at the bottom. kubuntu is 0
[06:37] <triptec> you'll probably get recovery mode..
[06:38] <Luija> but 0 was predetermined
[06:38] <Luija> so if 0 is predermined, and it booted vista, it was not 1...?
[06:38] <Luija> ok, let me change all that again, but it will be the same
[06:39] <triptec> "root            ()/ubuntu/disks"??
[06:39] <triptec> mefisto__: ?
[06:39] <Cybio> triptec: indeed
[06:39] <triptec> ah savedefault
[06:40] <triptec> in the vista entries
[06:40] <Luija> in what line is that
[06:40] <triptec> 162 and 170
[06:40] <Luija> savedefault?
[06:41] <triptec> yeah
[06:41] <Luija> what i change?
[06:41] <triptec> you can just remove the liens
[06:41] <triptec> lines
[06:41] <Luija> one thing
[06:41] <mefisto__> no, savedefault will only work if line 14 is  default    saved
[06:41] <Luija> nah, forget it
[06:41] <triptec> oh
[06:41] <Luija> so i delete 162 and 170?
[06:42] <Luija> ant it will boot ubuntu?
[06:42] <triptec> mefisto__: ?
[06:43] <mefisto__> but    root    ()/ubuntu/disks              is new to me
[06:43] <Cybio> should there not be a: "root (hd0,1)" or something like that?
[06:43] <Luija> oh... this is a little hard, better i just restart if it choose vista anyways lol
[06:43] <triptec> yeah, and there shoud be a makeactive aswell on vista entries no?
[06:43] <Luija> o_o?
[06:44] <triptec> Luija: did you just install  are you on then live cd or something?
[06:44] <Luija> install...
[06:45] <Luija> so no one knows how to make kubuntu predeterminated?
[06:45] <mefisto__> Luija: what do you do to boot kubuntu?
[06:46] <Luija> i press down arrow lol
[06:46] <Luija> because the predeterminated option is vista
[06:46] <triptec> with a cd in or?
[06:46] <Luija> so i down arror
[06:46] <mefisto__> down? and kubuntu is at the bottom?
[06:46] <Luija> nothing
[06:46] <Luija> mefisto: yes!!!!
[06:47] <triptec> vista should be 5 or 6
[06:47] <Luija> it would not be better triptec if u modify the kate, copy, pass to me, and then erase ur changes?
[06:47] <triptec> that's atleast how my works..
[06:48] <Luija> pass by pastebin
[06:48] <mefisto__> the root line for the kernels...   look at line 66        loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk
[06:48] <triptec> Id try to just change it to 0 and reboot choose ubuntu and then reboot again
[06:49] <triptec> how kan vista be on top?
[06:49] <Luija> yes it is in top
[06:49] <Luija> mefisto__: i see the line
[06:49] <Luija> what i modify?
[06:49] <triptec> do you have any other linux install on your disk?
[06:50] <triptec> or disks?
[06:50] <Luija> nop
[06:50] <Luija> nop
[06:50] <Luija> okay, i will take a pic of the thing so u can know what i am talking about
[06:50] <Luija> let me reboot, i will d/c
[06:50] <triptec> yeah
[06:51] <triptec> it's all very strange yes?
[06:52] <Cybio> He installed Kubuntu with Wubi
[06:53] <triptec> Wubi? like unetbootin?
[06:54] <Cybio> like root partition file within Vista partition .... the default boot option in the vista boot manager is then Vista
[06:54] <triptec> okay
[06:55] <Cybio> To change the order he need to change that option somewhere in Vista
[06:55] <Cybio> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[06:55] <mefisto__> damn wubi
[06:56] <Cybio> yeah :-P
[06:56] <triptec> Cybio: you'll tell him this, I'm gonna install Archlinux..
[06:56] <Cybio> OK :-)
[06:56] <triptec> ciao
[06:59] <mefisto__> oh, so he's talking about the vista bootloader
[07:00] <Cybio> mefisto__: Yeah then a change to the grub menu.lst won't help him
[07:00] <mefisto__> and he changed default boot in grub to 1, so he'll boot into recovery mode
[07:01] <Cybio> Hmmm ... yes, seems so
[07:02] <mefisto__> won't see him back for a while I think
[07:02] <Cybio> ... only if he figures out to reverse his changes :-)
[07:02] <Luija> ok
[07:02] <Luija> finally i am here lol
[07:03] <Cybio> :-) welcome back
[07:03] <Luija> there is a way to upload directly the photo?
[07:03] <Luija> i have it in my SD
[07:03] <Cybio> Luija: Did you install with Wubi ?
[07:03] <Luija> to Konversation
[07:03] <Luija> Wubi...?
[07:03] <Luija> no
[07:03] <Luija> I installed with live CD
[07:04] <Luija> file:///media/disk/dcim/100_pana/p1000206.jpg
[07:04] <Cybio> boot the computer from Live CD?
[07:04] <Luija> lol that dont worked
[07:04] <Cybio> nope
[07:04] <Luija> no, i can do it without live
[07:04] <Luija> there is not a way to upload the photo to konversation?
[07:04] <Cybio> if you installed from Live CD when you were running Vista you probably used Wubi
[07:04] <Luija> it clearly states wat i wanna say
[07:05] <Luija> oh
[07:05] <Luija> then if it is from vista
[07:05] <Luija> then yes
[07:05] <Luija> i used wubi
[07:05] <Luija> i need to upload the pic!!!!! LOL
[07:05] <Cybio> Live CD means ... boot up from CD and run a whole system from CD
[07:05] <Luija> yes but i installed the SPO
[07:05] <Luija> SO
[07:05] <Cybio> SO?
[07:05] <Luija> so i dont need the Live
[07:05] <Luija> OS
[07:05] <Luija> srry, SO is the spanish for OS
[07:06] <Luija> Sistema Operativo
[07:06] <Luija> Operating System
[07:06] <Luija> oh! with imageshack
[07:06] <Cybio> maybe you read on here a little .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[07:06] <Cybio> maybe it looks familiar :-)
[07:07] <Luija> I installed the OS
[07:07] <Cybio> Then to make Ubuntu the default you need to do that in the  Vista boot manager
[07:07] <Luija> i just downloaded from oficial page
[07:07] <Luija> and then
[07:07] <sille> anyone familiar w/ dolphin??  want to hide my unmounted partitions located in /media... having them hidden will make for cleaner transferring and saving  of files to mounted disks.
[07:08] <Luija> clicked install with vista
[07:08] <Luija> thats all :)
[07:08] <Cybio> :-) ... probably you then installed in Vista on a partition file on the partition from Vista ....
[07:08] <Luija> Yeah!
[07:08] <Luija> i instaled with wubi
[07:08] <Luija> no
[07:08] <Luija> i used disk D
[07:09] <Luija> HD is divided in C and D
[07:09] <Luija> C for Vista
[07:09] <Luija> D for ubuntu
[07:09] <Luija> kubuntu*
[07:09] <Cybio> Then you need to boot Vista (if you still can) :-) ... and change the order there ....
[07:09] <Luija> LOL
[07:10] <Luija> okay
[07:10] <Cybio> Read how on the page i just show you under the head "How do I make Ubuntu the default boot option?"
[07:10] <Luija> finally the pic than clearyly state what i say
[07:10] <Luija> srry but the screen is a little dirty
[07:10] <Luija> http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000206fv2.jpg
[07:10] <Luija> it cleary reads:
[07:10] <Luija> vista up
[07:10] <Luija> kubuntu down
[07:10] <Luija> :)
[07:11] <Luija> yah?
[07:11] <Cybio> Yes yes ... thats from the Vista boot manager
[07:11] <mefisto__> Luija: but it says Admin. de arranque de Windows
[07:11] <Luija> because its spanish lol
[07:12] <mefisto__> but Windows!
[07:12] <Luija> yes...
[07:12] <mefisto__> you have kubuntu inside windows
[07:12] <Luija> LOLOLOLOL
[07:12] <mefisto__> :)
[07:12] <Luija> WTF
[07:12] <Cybio> Ubuntu is not installed as the default boot option, you have to select it in the windows boot menu.
[07:12] <Luija> then i do the install bad?
[07:13] <Cybio> To change that, in windows XP go to control_panel > system > advanced > startup_and_recovery and edit the "Default Operating System", if you want you can change the timeout as well.
[07:13] <mefisto__> wonder if it's the same for vista
[07:13] <Luija> is because my HD is divided in two: C and D, because C was for vista, i used  D than is free :)
[07:13] <Cybio> Soemthing similar you need to do in Vista
[07:13] <Luija> ok, let me boot vista :D
[07:14] <mefisto__> I'll boot my windows 7 beta VM and see what it's like there :)
[07:14] <Luija> sweet
[07:14] <Luija> let my boot vista so i can see if it is the same
[07:15] <Luija> cya guys
[07:18] <AzAel> Gday all!
[07:19] <AzAel> got an issue when dolphin freezes when i try to assign a custom icon to a symbolicly linked directory
[07:20] <Cybio> AzAel: do you have rights to write to that directory?
[07:21] <AzAel> uhuh ive got rights out the wazzo
[07:21] <AzAel> lrwxrwxrwx
[07:21] <Cybio> that are the rights from the symbolic link
[07:22] <Cybio> not from the linked directory
[07:22] <AzAel> links to a direcory thats drwxrwxrwx
[07:23] <AzAel> unfortunately its a mounted samba share due to hybrid network
[07:23] <Cybio> hmm ... sos then the rights are handled by samba ...
[07:25] <AzAel> fstab entry rfor share "cifs file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775"
[07:26] <Bianca> help!!!
[07:26] <Bianca> I killed my kubuntu
[07:27] <AzAel> heheheh i did that a few weeks ago on my laptop...kde4.2 didNOT like my intel gfx
[07:27] <Bianca> I went to k-menu - systemsettings. there in apeearance I activated the effects
[07:28] <Bianca> and since then when i start upt I get to the login scrren, login and then there comes the little icons but when my dektop is supposed to appear, I get a blank screen for five seconds and then a blac screen
[07:28] <Bianca> and that's the way it remains
[07:28] <Bianca> how can i fix that?
[07:29] <AzAel> eek....can you do a safe login?
[07:29] <mefisto__> you need to disable compositing
[07:31] <Bianca> i can still login  i can do a console login
[07:31] <Bianca> but i do not know whta to do there
[07:32] <mefisto__> Bianca: you need to edit .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[07:32] <Bianca> mefisto__ thank you.
[07:32] <Bianca> and what excactly do i have to change there?
[07:32] <Luija> I coulnd change it lol
[07:32] <mefisto__> find Enabled=true   under [Compositing]    and change it to Enabled=false
[07:33] <Luija> thats with me mefisto__?
[07:33] <AzAel> under the heading......argjh mefisto__ beat me
[07:33] <mefisto__> no Luija
[07:33] <maco> Luija: he's talking to Bianca
[07:33] <Luija> oh
[07:33] <Luija> ok
[07:33] <mefisto__> Luija: did you find where it is?
[07:33] <Bianca> mefisto__ one last question: what do i edit it with? kate doesn't run in konsole.
[07:34] <Luija> nop =(
[07:34] <AzAel> Cybio: any ideas in the custom icon thing?
[07:34] <mefisto__> Bianca: nano is probably easiest
[07:34] <Cybio> Bianca: maybe you can try nano
[07:34] <AzAel> or if you like try mc
[07:34] <Luija> u were the one that was gonna run the vista beta?
[07:34] <Luija> mefisto__? to help me?
[07:34] <AzAel> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mc
[07:34] <mefisto__> Bianca: at the bottom of the screen will be commands like ^X   ^W
[07:35] <mefisto__> Bianca: that means ctrl+X   ctrl+W  etc
[07:35] <AzAel> run mc and navigate to the folder
[07:36] <mefisto__> Bianca: so do this: nano .kde/share/config/kwinrc   and make that change, then ctrl+X to exit and save
[07:37] <AzAel> Bianca: then restart X
[07:37] <mefisto__> Luija: ok, did you find where to change the windows boot settings?
[07:38] <mefisto__> Luija: control_panel > system > advanced > startup_and_recovery
[07:38] <wrinkliez> hey, can someone tell me why people use music player daemon instead of just a regular music player?
[07:39] <Bianca> mefisto__, Cibio, AzAel: thank you
[07:39] <Luija> nop mefisto
[07:39] <Luija> system is not an option
[07:39] <Luija> also there is not advanced
[07:39] <Bianca> mefisto__ ok, changes done and safed. will now try to login
[07:39] <Luija> is differend :S
[07:39] <mefisto__> Luija: then change default to Ubuntu instead of Vista, and set the time to whatever you want. probably 2 or 3 sec is the lowest
[07:40] <Luija> but thats why i wanna know how
[07:40] <Luija> what, not why
[07:40] <oscar_> hello!!
[07:42] <oscar_> I am trying to use samba to connect to a windows lan...
[07:42] <oscar_> But having problem...
[07:42] <Bianca> mefisto__ thank you very much! You solved my problem. It works again
[07:42] <oscar_> I can see the computers, but can't browse any share.
[07:43] <Cybio> Luija: Out of this conversation "https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/59364" i understand you need to run as administartor the command bcdedit .... look at "identifier"
[07:43] <Luija> ei, one offtopic question
[07:44] <Luija> i right click
[07:44] <Luija> and i press the option
[07:44] <Luija> add panel
[07:44] <Luija> and a black panel apeared
[07:44] <Luija> how i remove the panel?
[07:45] <Bianca> right click on the panel and choose the option to delete the panel
[07:45] <Luija> thx
[07:46] <Bianca> no problem
[07:46] <Bianca> Luija: you have a wubi install?
[07:47] <Luija> yep, but mefisto just help me, i will go to vista now, thx anyways :D
[07:48] <sille> does anyone know how to hide partitions/hd volumes from file manager(s)... spec dolphin???
[07:49] <Bianca> Luija: I tried with that one before. and after a while you get used to using it and don't wanna change it anymore.
[07:49] <Bianca> But I *really* recommend you to make a ubuntu/kubuntu installation in a partition
[07:49] <Bianca> It's not more work at all, but far better.
[07:50] <Bianca> I screwed up my vista once, wubi-ubuntu hanged itself at shutdown and didn't react anymore
[07:50] <Luija> I installed the Kubuntu OS in Disc D :)
[07:50] <Bianca> ah, ok
[07:50] <Bianca> then it's fine
[07:50] <Bianca> I had it on top of Vista
[07:50] <Bianca> now I'm without vista
[07:50] <Bianca> but I don't really need it anymore
[07:51] <Bianca> :-)
[07:52] <Luija> lol, ok bianca
[07:52] <Bianca> so happy kubuntu using, Luija!
[07:52] <elizabeth> good night guys can somebody helpme pls i have install kubuntu intrepid, it got everything right but somehow lost the wireless driver and now after several (and i mean several!!) resinatalations it just dont detect the wireless card  my laptop is a compaq v3000 v3417la hel pls???????
[07:53] <Luija> lol bianca, u know why i change?
[07:53] <Bianca> Luija. why?
[07:53] <Bianca> elizabeth: sorry, I have no idea. You've had wireless in the first place?
[07:54] <elizabeth> yes
[07:54] <elizabeth> i do
[07:54] <elizabeth> thats why iam sayin first instalation everything was just fine
[07:54] <Luija> the change was today lol, i was using firefox, and i have some crucial data in word, firefox blocked, i needed to restart, and i was like: VISTA!!! U son of a F***** ***** lololol
[07:54] <Luija> i was goin to threw away the pc LOL
[07:55] <elizabeth> even the wireless connectios next day woke up turn on my laptop and there was no wireless connection
[07:55] <Luija> so i downloaded the Live Cd, i liked KDE over GNOME, and here it is :D kubuntu lol
[07:55] <elizabeth> it somehow lost the drivers and nowafter several reinstalations just wont detect wireless card
[07:56] <Luija> elizabeth
[07:56] <Luija> give me one second
[07:56] <elizabeth> ok
[07:57] <elizabeth> i now wich driver i do need the thing is IT JUST WONT DETECT MY WIRELESS CARD that is the biggest issue
[07:57] <elizabeth> Broadcom 4312 chipset sp39912.exe
[07:58] <Bianca> .exe?
[07:58] <Superhuman> hey hey
[07:58] <Luija> whats ur wifi card name and model pls
[07:58] <Luija> so i can help u
[07:58] <Luija> bianca, the change was today lol, i was using firefox, and i have some crucial data in word, firefox blocked, i needed to restart, and i was like: VISTA!!! U son of a F***** ***** lololol
[07:59] <Luija> so i downloaded the Live Cd, i liked KDE over GNOME, and here it is :D kubuntu lol
[07:59] <Bianca> Luija: if you installed from LiveCD it's not a wubi installation. Or did I get naything wrong?
[07:59] <Luija> nah, dont wrry
[07:59] <Luija> i got the solution
[07:59] <Luija> i will boot right now :)
[07:59] <Luija> brb
[07:59] <Bianca> ok
[07:59] <elizabeth> i dont know about wifi card model but i know this: Compaq Presario V3000 V3417LA Broadcom 4312 chipset sp39912.exe
[07:59] <Bianca> cya
[08:00] <Bianca> elisabeth: I can't be a lot of help here. but in order to find your card enter in konsole: lspci
[08:00] <Bianca> and look out for it
[08:00] <elizabeth> intold u it just dont detect wireless card
[08:00] <Superhuman> How do I revert back to kde 4.1? from kde 4.2? I used the guide on http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[08:01] <Superhuman> elizabeth: and in lsusb ?
[08:01] <mefisto__> elizabeth: to find out what wifi hardware you have: lshw -C network
[08:01] <Superhuman> lspcmcia could help too
[08:02] <mefisto__> elizabeth: and pastebin the result at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ then give us the url
[08:03] <elizabeth> here is what i got with lspci: http://pastebin.com/mc0728ca
[08:04] <Cybio> elizabeth: Did you not accidently press a button on the laptop to switch of wireless ? :-)
[08:06] <elizabeth> and this is with the lsh; http://pastebin.com/m7901448e
[08:07] <elizabeth> and about accidentally no, theres no way, believe me at this point i dotake care of details
[08:07] <Bianca> shouldn't the id's start with 0?  here they do
[08:08] <elizabeth> sorry is just that i dont know why this happened it was just fine like i told u next woke up turn on my laptop and
[08:08] <mefisto__> elizabeth: how about sudo  lshw -C network
[08:10] <elizabeth> here:   http://pastebin.com/m3b070d63
[08:11] <Luija> FINALLY!!!
[08:11] <mefisto__> I bet windows is switching it off on shutdown
[08:11] <Luija> thx mefisto__ :D
[08:11] <mefisto__> Luija: so Ubuntu is default boot now?
[08:12] <Luija> yes
[08:12] <Luija> ok, now i will go to sleep
[08:12] <Luija> tired now
[08:12] <Luija> finally got kubuntu working
[08:12] <Luija> thx guys, cya tomorrow
[08:12] <Cybio> :-) congrats
[08:14] <elizabeth> ok guys thxs for the effort sorry i am so tired ive been working on this since last week and it is getting frustrating not to find a way to solve this, i hope tomorrow have some luck and fix this thxs
[08:15] <Bianca> elizabeth: do you have alsa windows?
[08:15] <Bianca> and if so does it recognized your wifi?
[08:16] <elizabeth> alsa windows i dont know about that  all i know (wich is not much) is that alsa is for sound and i do have sound
[08:16] <Bianca> also*
[08:16] <Bianca> sorry, was a misspelling, I didn't see
[08:16] <elizabeth> also
[08:17] <Bianca> do you also have windows installed?
[08:17] <elizabeth> never hear about it
[08:17] <elizabeth> do i install it from konsole?
[08:17] <Cybio> elizabeth: do you have windows ?
[08:17] <elizabeth> ooh
[08:17] <elizabeth> no
[08:17] <Cybio>  and what if you just run from a LiveCD ? ... does it see your wireless ?
[08:17] <elizabeth> i have made several resintalations
[08:17] <Bianca> ah, ok
[08:18] <Bianca> maybe it's a hardware defect, if it's not recogniced by the system
[08:18] <Bianca> LiveCDs normally have worse support for wifi
[08:18] <elizabeth> just did one more installed win to get the wireless working(wich i did9 then made a fresh new resinataltion of kubuntu intrepid to c if that way kubuntu would detect the wireless card but it didnt work
[08:18] <Bianca> but you could nonetheless try
[08:19] <elizabeth> no
[08:19] <elizabeth> well sometimes but most wont
[08:19] <Bianca> so windows reacognized your wireless even after kubuntu did not recognize it anymore?
[08:19] <elizabeth> and when it has i do install the driver but then on the inataltion of kubuntu get lost
[08:19] <Bianca> that would discard the hardware failure option
[08:20] <elizabeth> yes
[08:20] <AzAel> wifi is over rated :P
[08:20] <elizabeth> with win works but with kubuntu worked only the first time
[08:20] <elizabeth> but like i said one day woke up and there was no more wireless connectionit just got lost
[08:21] <AzAel> elizabeth: are using this on a laptop?
[08:21] <Bianca> sorry, i can't be of help here
[08:21] <Bianca> gotta go.
[08:21] <elizabeth> this what?? i am using my laptop yes right now with ethernet connection
[08:21] <AzAel> if so what make and model
[08:21] <Bianca> elizabeth: good luck! Hope someone can help you here
[08:21] <elizabeth> but of course i do need the wireles connection
[08:22] <elizabeth> ok thxs
[08:22] <Bianca> bye, folks! and thank you
[08:22] <elizabeth> c you all
[08:22] <elizabeth> bye
[08:22] <AzAel> elizabeth: are trying to get wifi working in kubuntu on a laptop?
[08:23] <elizabeth> i am trying to get my wireless card reconized by kubuntu for instance then i will c about using network or wifi
[08:23] <AzAel> and if so whats the brand and model of your laptop
[08:24] <elizabeth> COMPAQ PRESARIO V3000 V3417LA BROADCOM  4312 CHIPSET sp39912.EXE
[08:24] <AzAel> and is the wireless card a slot in device or is it built into the laptop
[08:25] <elizabeth> built in
[08:25] <AzAel> elizabeth: i need exact model it should be on a sticker on the bottom of your laptop
[08:25] <elizabeth> just told u
[08:26] <AzAel> v3000 v3417la? which one?
[08:26] <elizabeth> COMPAQ PRESARIO SERIES V3000 MODEL V3417LA
[08:26] <AzAel> ah thanks
[08:27] <Cybio> elizabeth: in the lshw information you posted earlier i miss the "eth0" device ... and the "wlan0" device .... seems then the module is not loaded ...
[08:28] <elizabeth> i do think that because kubuntu intepid wont reconigze my wireless card it also dont have wlan
[08:28] <elizabeth> http://pastebin.com/m3b070d63
[08:32] <elizabeth> so if the modules is not loaded how can i get it done or recognize the wireless card or whatever the problem may be, sorry guys this is hard for someone new at all on this
[08:33] <Cybio> i know i know ... :-) ... use google ... thats what i do.
[08:34] <elizabeth> been using it since last week believe i have spend tons of hours usually till 3 am average every single day but ehers no much help about it
[08:34] <drmrhorse> elizabeth:  you tried the dumb way with the hardware drivers manager, right?
[08:35] <elizabeth> ???? so different lenguage how do i do that??
[08:35] <drmrhorse> im not that good at kubuntu yet, but i got my hp laptop with a broadcom to work on hardy that way
[08:36] <elizabeth> hardware drivers manager?? how or where do i get that??
[08:36] <AzAel> elizabeth: Quote from a review of your laptop "The only sticking point might be for Linux users as Broadcom is pretty much Linux unfriendly."
[08:36] <drmrhorse> on hardy its in the kde menu
[08:36] <drmrhorse> i dont know about interpid
[08:37] <drmrhorse> *intrepid
[08:37] <Cybio> you can see if the module for your card is loaded by doing in a terminal "lsmod |grep bcm43xx"
[08:37] <elizabeth> ok theres this icon that says HARDWARE DRIVER everytime i click on it just let me know wich drivers r in use thats it
[08:37] <AzAel> try lspci
[08:38] <mefisto__> http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/intrepid-cafuego/broadcom/
[08:38] <elizabeth> but it wont get driver
[08:38] <mefisto__> Broadcom binary firmware packages ^^
[08:38] <drmrhorse> mefisto__ rocks
[08:38] <mefisto__> elizabeth: try adding those repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <AzAel> http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/ <<<---has repositories to add
[08:39] <mefisto__> :)
[08:39] <AzAel> oh ffs
[08:39] <AzAel> lol
[08:39] <mefisto__> so we agree
[08:39] <drmrhorse> gmta
[08:40] <AzAel> quick draw mefisto__
[08:40] <mefisto__> what's gmta?
[08:41] <drmrhorse> Great Minds Think Alike
[08:41] <elizabeth> ok i already try thembut didnt do anygood
[08:41] <AzAel> ....find page, copy url, switch window, paste url, look up and and see that youve beaten me to it
[08:41] <AzAel> drmrhorse: you honor me.....
[08:42] <AzAel> elizabeth: whats the outout of 'lspci | grep broadcom
[08:43] <elizabeth> nothing
[08:43] <elizabeth> did  it twice and nothing:
[08:43] <elizabeth> elizabeth@Elizabeth:~$ lsmod |grep bcm43xx
[08:43] <elizabeth> elizabeth@Elizabeth:~$ lsmod |grep bcm43xx
[08:43] <elizabeth> elizabeth@Elizabeth:~$
[08:45] <Cybio> mmm ... or "lspci | grep Broadcom"
[08:46] <drmrhorse> yeah, with the cap
[08:46] <AzAel> or jus pastebin  lspci
[08:46] <AzAel> [19:45] <-- elizabeth has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[08:46] <AzAel> git fed up
[08:46] <AzAel> got
[08:46] <drmrhorse> she smashed her laptop
[08:47] <Cybio> mmm ...
[08:47] <drmrhorse> hardy recognized mine right away but when i tried intrepid on a live cd it didnt see it
[08:47] <AzAel> heheheh i had that urge when i tried to upgrade my inspiron 1100 to kde 4,2
[08:47] <drmrhorse> i dont know how mine is still in one piece
[08:48] <drmrhorse> i think you guys had it though
[08:48] <AzAel> i "know" how mine is still in one piece....its a friggin 5 year old cheap brick
[08:48] <drmrhorse> ha
[08:48] <AzAel> battery now lasts for 20 mins
[08:49] <Cybio> :-P
[08:50] <AzAel> Cybio: any ideas in the custom icon thing?
[08:50] <AzAel> noy just you Cybio anyone
[08:50] <Cybio> have a hp laptop here with intel wireless .... no probs at all with 7.10, 8.04 and 8.10
[08:51] <AzAel> brought a pcmcia wireless card for mine....worked the moment i plugged it in
[08:51] <drmrhorse> by b43 card appears to be running with the "sta" driver
[08:51] <Cybio> i know the custom icon is configured by a .directory file in the share which you want to change the icon from
[08:52] <AzAel> ooh
[08:52]  * AzAel toddle off to 'touch .directory'
[08:54] <Cybio> just tested with a local partion .... values in the ".directory" here are:
[08:54] <Cybio> [Desktop Entry]
[08:55] <Cybio> Icon=folder-important
[08:55] <Cybio> thats all
[08:55] <AzAel> [Desktop Entry]
[08:55] <AzAel> Icon=folder_sound
[08:55] <AzAel> thats whats in mine
[08:56] <Cybio> works now ?
[08:56] <AzAel> nope
[08:56] <AzAel> .directory file was already there
[08:56] <Cybio> mmm ... not really have a solution then
[08:56] <AzAel> there is also a .directory.lock file
[08:57] <Cybio> not really know what the .lock does
[08:57] <AzAel> wait a moment
[08:58] <Cybio> maybe re-mount
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:03] <AzAel> well just deleted the .directory file and the folder icon reverted from a "?" icon to the native plain icon
[09:04] <Cybio> and what you get when you delete the .lock file too and make a new .directory file?
[09:06] <AzAel> well the strange thing is that if i look at properties is hows the icon i selected and if mouse over/select the folder the corect icon appears in the dolphin info bar
[09:08] <Cybio> And that also happens when you change the icon again in properties? .... or does Dolphin then freezes again ?
[09:08] <Suiko> morning
[09:09] <Suiko> hi dudes, i have a problem
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: morning :)
[09:09] <Suiko> well, its morning here =D
[09:09] <AzAel> ok locks like i freezes in thge presence of a .lock file
[09:09] <Suiko> in the fresh and bloomy germany XD
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: its 9:10am here
[09:10] <Suiko> here 10:10
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: wassup with your linux box?
[09:10] <Cybio> AzAel: OK :-) ... then it works now as it should ?
[09:10]  * genii sips
[09:11] <Suiko> well, i downloaded "some stuff" by rapidshare....and now...today, i wanted to download another one.....but rapidshare says that i am still download this file from yesterday
[09:12] <Suiko> btw i surf with konqueror
[09:13] <AzAel> Cybio: yes and no...
[09:13] <Cybio> and what if you remount the share ? ...
[09:13] <AzAel> if i select any icon other than te ones in the System/Places selection it goes back to the "?" icon
[09:15] <Suiko> and so, everything alright?
[09:15] <Cybio> hmmm strange ... i just tried with a local directory and can even give it a firefox icon
[09:15] <novanars> hi
[09:15] <Suiko> hi
[09:17] <AzAel> remote paths maybe need full path
[09:19] <arshad> hi
[09:19] <AzAel> Suiko: hehehe rapidshare..........kill all instances of konqueror and clean out your cookies
[09:20] <Suiko> already down =D
[09:20] <Suiko> done...
[09:21] <arshad> how do we clean cookies in UBuntu
[09:21] <arshad> ??
[09:21] <arshad> Firefox user
[09:21] <arshad> or %Temp% files
[09:21] <AzAel> Suiko: failing that if you have a dhcp assign ip address to your router then refresh and get another one if possible
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> arshad: ctrl+shift+del in firefox
[09:22] <Suiko> this might be the reason...
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> arshad: most temp files are removed at reboot, you can also run: sudo apt-get clean to remove any old deb files from apt-et activity
[09:22] <Suiko> and on the way i go and get a new nas XD
[09:23] <AzAel> or "tools" -->> "Clear Private Data" from the firefox menus
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> AzAel: mines the shortcut to that ;)
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> AzAel: mouse takes too long
[09:23] <arshad> Thanks
[09:28] <andy__> %C2,7 hi
[09:30] <wildbat_> /id
[09:31] <AzAel> ActionParsnip: just providing addition info....options are nice
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> AzAel: indeed. I just like to advise shortcut keys ut options are groovy
[09:32] <AzAel> ActionParsnip: doesn't help the person with only one hand and only a single finger on that hand :P
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> hahahaha
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> can use tongue + nose for ctrl+shift ;)
[09:33] <AzAel> hrmmmmm.........finger , nose and toe
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> ive done that afore
[09:33] <AzAel> ActionParsnip: ....thats is truely awesome
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> well i was holding a beer / cider / something i believe, sounded like a good idea
[09:34] <AzAel> you must have a real small hose...as i just tried it and was able to press both buttons with my nose
[09:34] <AzAel> ctrl+alt might be difficult
[09:36] <arshad> is ettercap secure enough to install n use or unsafe for own computer
[09:36] <AzAel> Ok got another problemo, i love kmail in 4.2 however for some reason it only prints the first page of a html document
[09:37] <arshad> how vulnerable is the ettercap user himself
[09:37] <real_Suiko> nice
[09:37] <real_Suiko> it works
[09:38] <real_Suiko> rapidshare is free again =P
[09:38] <AzAel> depends..has the user just been fired/dumped/hurt recently
[09:40] <AzAel> arshad: sorry i don't know
[09:40] <AzAel> lol @ real_Suiko and rapidshare
[09:41] <real_Suiko> routers fault.....
[09:41] <arshad> thanks AzAel
[09:42] <Suiko> so
[09:43] <AzAel> arshad: http://ettercap.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2271&sid=8099592590d4e5dd40c2056e66f99131
[09:43] <arshad> thats for....
[09:44] <AzAel> its in the faq section of ettercap, dunno thought it might help
[09:44] <AzAel> some reading material n stuff
[09:44] <arshad> ok
[09:45] <arshad> chekin out
[09:45] <AzAel> LOLZ ------>> http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/I_Give_Up_Windows_Is_Proof_That_People_Are_Too_Stupid_To_Use_Computers
[09:46] <bazhang> !ot
[09:46] <AzAel> sorry
[09:47] <Suiko> nice story
[09:48] <AzAel> Suiko: by routers fault you mean?
[09:50] <Suiko> nope, "router"'s fault....the little man in this small box =D
[09:51] <Suiko> well i rebooted it and swoop, it worked again
[09:53] <Suiko> well to your article...its a little bit curiouse....the military forces usually use microkernel os's especially "crafted"
[09:53] <Suiko> instead of windows
[09:54] <AzAel> careful my article post was somewhat Off Topic and hence i was warned thus
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> !ot
[09:55] <arshad> what is Kernel
[09:55] <arshad> ?
[09:55] <Cybio> arshad: Kernel is linux and Linux is the Kernel ... :-)
[09:56] <triptec> the OS
[09:56] <arshad> ok...n Debain
[09:56] <arshad> ??
[09:56] <triptec> takes care of resources and so on
[09:56] <Cybio> Debian is a distribution
[09:56] <triptec> is a distrubution
[09:56] <Suiko> Debain is the brother of Debian
[09:57] <triptec> no it's the child of debora and ian
[09:57] <triptec> ;)
[09:57] <Suiko> ahh, this was it
[09:58] <triptec> could someone tell me why tasksel has "(must install )" beside Ubuntu Studio desktop???
[09:58] <MegaMetals> is it possible to set Dolphin to put the last written file of a folder at the end ?
[09:58] <MegaMetals> like in windows and GNOME
[09:58] <arshad> BRB
[09:58] <triptec> sort by edit?
[09:58] <MegaMetals> triptec: Yes, I believe that's what I'd want
[09:59] <JackWinter> !kernel
[10:00] <JackWinter> I've checked out the above, was just wondering if there is a backport kernel repository, or if i could load jaunty kernels into intrepid someway ?
[10:00] <AzAel> arshad: http://www.linux.com/whatislinux/114354  also there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computer_science)
[10:00] <triptec> MegaMetals: just started with kde and dolphin and it seems there isn't but the must be some way... not having it is just plain stupid
[10:01] <MegaMetals> triptec: indeedy
[10:01] <jussi01> MegaMetals: dolphin doesnt, but you can use konquewror and it does.
[10:02] <MegaMetals> jussi01/triptec: I think sort by "date" works ?
[10:02] <MegaMetals> Konquack got uninstalled the first time I saw it
[10:02] <triptec> but i might want to sort by creation or access...
[10:02] <jussi01> MegaMetals: ahh, yeah, I missed that. so you can...
[10:03] <MegaMetals> jussi01: it seems that is the closes I can find anyway
[10:03] <triptec> hmm
[10:03] <triptec> strange
[10:05] <triptec> MegaMetals: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=851213
[10:07] <triptec> MegaMetals: nevermind..
[10:07] <triptec> MegaMetals: it was a reference to windows
[10:08] <maxi_> hey leute
[10:08] <maxi_> alles fit hier?
[10:08] <maxi_> brücht unbedingt hilfe mit WLAN bzw jemand der mir sagt was ich für ne karte am bestenhol
[10:08] <maxi_> hab nu schon zwei versucht und nur Ärger...
[10:08] <maxi_> scheiss Wlan ich liebe Netzwerkkabel anstecken udn geht grrrrrr
[10:09] <Cybio> !de
[10:09] <maxi_> jemand nen tipp welche karte einfach zu besorgen ist und out of the box geht am besten please?
[10:09] <maxi_> shit sorry
[10:09] <maxi_> de channel^^
[10:12] <MegaMetals> oh yeah, one more thing.  How would I make firefox my default browser ? Opera is taking over the links
[10:13] <MegaMetals> or is that program specific in linux
[10:18] <triptec> MegaMetals: seems to be app specific...
[10:19] <MegaMetals> triptec: i removed the Nazi Opera and it worked
[10:21]  * ActionParsnip loves opera
[10:24] <triptec> MegaMetals: hmm, kde doesn't seem that stable...
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> triptec: which version?
[10:25] <ubsafder> how do i take a snapshot of my screen ?
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> ubsafder: print screen button
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> ubsafder: or theres ksnapshot (or similar) in the k menu
[10:27] <ubsafder> ok i got it
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> "Thanks ActionParsnip for you help"  :(
[10:30] <luciopedi> name Lucio
[10:58] <guinda> hi
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> !ihi | guinda
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> !hi | guinda
[11:07] <guinda> does anyone know if is possible to install de Centos KDE look and feel in Kubuntu? I mean Icons and such things
[11:07] <triptec> what is the name of the app that searches for other os to put in grub?
[11:10] <guinda> triptec, why do you want this?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> !grub
[11:30] <drostie> triptec: the name of the app is /boot/grub/menu.lst ^_^;;
[11:31] <drostie> (in a manner of speaking.)
[11:32] <leilane> gfggdggg
[11:32] <leilane> oi
[11:32] <noren> oh i m back, one more unsuccesfull attemp to upgrade to kde4.2 i guess i sud wait till the fresh stable update is released
[11:32] <leilane> hi
[11:32] <leilane> llllçççççç
[11:34] <noren> daskreech thanks for the help
[11:56] <victor_e> noren, what has happend?
[11:56] <victor_e> works fine for me
[12:00] <WindBack> I have recently installed ubuntu. When I look in the xorg.conf file to see the default configuration i see that the file is empty. I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but the "wizard" dont askme nothing related to the video configuration.  I want to know from what place xorg is taking the video configuration??
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: what video card do you have?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lspci | grep -i vga will tell you
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: the reconfigure xserver-xorg goodness was thrown out after gutsy :(
[12:08] <liwenyu> hi
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> !hi | liwenyu
[12:10] <liwenyu> what is this? what is IRC? who can tell me?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: irc == internet relay chat
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: you connect to an irc server and join one of its channels, you can then talk to people in that channel
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: you can also make your own channel by joining a channel that isnt listed. you wil lthen be the admin of that channel
[12:12] <liwenyu> oh,i see
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: this particular channel is the offcial kubuntu support channel
[12:14] <liwenyu> yeah,i know,it's the first time i come to here. i like ubuntu very much.
[12:14] <liwenyu> so what ddo we talk abou here?
[12:15] <Cybio> liwenyu: problems people have with using kubuntu
[12:17]  * LutiusVeratius|A is away: Gone away for now
[12:23] <liwenyu> 我能讲中文吗？
[12:23] <liwenyu> can i speak Chinese here?
[12:24] <bazhang> !cn
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: its a pure support channel, for folks with issues or people who like helping people with issues
[12:28] <liwenyu> oh,thanks for telling me that.if i have any problem with kubuntu,i will ask direcctly
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> liwenyu: yeah, as the room and someone wil try and help (most likely)
[12:47] <honzo_> hey
[12:47] <honzo_> i have a litle question
[12:47] <Dr_willis> Oh?
[12:48] <honzo_> how can i instal kde from svn
[12:48] <Dr_willis> No idea
[12:48] <Dr_willis> check the kde homepage there may be some svn instrictions there.
[12:48] <Dr_willis> or the ppa repos may have some nightly builds.
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> honzo_:  KDE 4.2 is out http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[12:49] <honzo_> this is the problem becouse i can't goot anglish and i can't this read;/
[12:49] <bazhang> !pl
[12:49] <honzo_> ja ino ze zaden nie chce nic napisac;/
[12:50] <bazhang> honzo_, /join #ubuntu-pl
[12:50] <Dr_willis> I dont think anyone in here speaks PL other then the bot. :)
[12:50] <Dr_willis> of course no one reads wha the bot actually says. :)
[12:50] <honzo_> i have now install kde 4.2 from repo
[12:50] <Cybio> :-)
[12:51] <Suiko> "nobody likes the records that i play" ?
[12:51] <Dr_willis> that was a fast install.. if you just did it.
[12:51] <Suiko> nice weather, today, isnt it?
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> honzo_: wow thats fast, you ona dual T3 line or something
[12:53] <Suiko> ahhh what a wonderful feeling, freshly razord, brushed teeth, and a 1400 sided book about C
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Suiko: nice, is it "pointers on C"  that book is awesome
[12:54] <Suiko> nope, its C from A to Z
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> nice
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> not hugely offtopic or anything
[12:55] <Suiko> just pure C
[12:56] <Suiko> some algorithm, explanation and so on
[12:56] <peaches> what program makes the devices in /dev ?
[12:58] <Suiko> what the hell 86 bucks for pointers on c ?
[13:02] <PSiL0> i am so ready to put a bullet through my kubuntu laptop for freezing, yet again with my work
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> PSiL0: check dmesg
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> PSiL0: try disapling acpi and running it a while
[13:02] <PSiL0> already rebooted...
[13:03] <PSiL0> it did not respond to ctrl-alt-sysreq, ctrl-alt-backspace...
[13:03] <PSiL0> fucking xorg
[13:03] <PSiL0> I lost the last three hours of work
[13:03] <freegoo> can anyone help, i can only mount my hfsplus formated hard drive as "READ ONLY" (ipod usb)
[13:04] <PSiL0> sorry for ranting, but I need to turn in my results in a few hours..
[13:04] <jussi01> !ohmy | PSiL0
[13:04] <PSiL0> I am extremely discouraged with kubuntu's stability... I
[13:05] <PSiL0> I hate to say this, but I never experienced system freezes at such inopportune times on my winxp.. *shakes head*
[13:05] <Suiko> kde 4.2=
[13:05] <Suiko> ?
[13:06] <PSiL0> yes, on kde 4.2, 08.10, x86_64
[13:06] <jussi01> PSiL0: first, I suggest you make sure you save your work often. then, tell us a little more about your issue, what exactly happened, what kind of HW, which version of kubuntu etc
[13:06] <Suiko> well, its kinda far from stable, i guess
[13:07] <PSiL0> well, if I didn't save my work repeatedly before, then I would have lost 8 hours of it..
[13:07] <Suiko> then do so, as i do, i save every 10 minutes of my work
[13:07] <Suiko> on an extern harddisk
[13:07] <WindBack> ActionParsnip, WindBack: the reconfigure xserver-xorg goodness was thrown out after gutsy :(  WHHYY??
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: no idea duder
[13:07] <jussi01> PSiL0: please give us more details so we can try help you!
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: if you tell me what videocard you have i can advise
[13:08] <PSiL0> Well, it is 5am here I need some sleep before having to drive a long distance tomorrow...
[13:08] <PSiL0> well, I had several apps open along with k3b..
[13:09] <PSiL0> the burn already finished, but I had several java apps open with my image stacks (work) and openoffice... The problem happened when I closed my firefox session, and while dolpin was choking when I tried to transfer a rar file of an album I wanted to burn for my trip tomorrow
[13:10] <PSiL0> the rar file was on an external harddrive
[13:10] <PSiL0> ntfs-g
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> maybe thats the culprit
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> the ntfs
[13:10] <PSiL0> well, maybe, but my drive did not exhibit any excessive writing, but I surmised that ntfs-g, dolphin, and nepomuk makes for a deadly comibination
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: if you run lspci | grep -i vga
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: it will tell you
[13:11] <Lummoxx_> Full ntfs support is still fairly young, correct?
[13:11] <Dr_willis> Lummoxx_,  2+ yrs old is young?
[13:11] <Lummoxx_> seems like not all that long ago, it was read only
[13:12] <PSiL0> Maybe I'm masochistic for being determined to use linux as my daily working environment...
[13:13] <PSiL0> even though my data sheet from openofice recovered, but image stacks from imagej have been obliterated..
[13:13] <Dr_willis> read up on the ntfs-3g site..  i guess..  the 'ntfs' driver  is still read only i belive.. ntfs-3g is the latest and greatest. :) its been RW for some time now
[13:13] <WindBack> ActionParsnip, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q963/Q965 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[13:13] <PSiL0> *sigh* and I thought linux was supposed to be stable...
[13:14] <Suiko> it is
[13:14] <Suiko> linux is stable like hell, except for the GUI
[13:14] <PSiL0> ahh, there you go..
[13:15] <PSiL0> I guess kde 4.2.0 is my problem
[13:15] <Suiko> so it is ^^
[13:16] <PSiL0> maybe I'll return when jaunty is released.
[13:16] <Lummoxx_> I'm 24 hours on KDE 4.2, no issues yet.  So...it's still early, but...
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> WindBack: appears to be supported by i915  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[13:16] <Suiko> or you use another gui
[13:16] <Lummoxx_> The real problem with linux is hardware support.  Linux itself is fine.  When you start plugging in hard drives, and whatever else, it's not necessarily a "linux" issue, but probably a driver issue.
[13:17] <Suiko> !xen
[13:17] <PSiL0> Suiko: maybe when I don't have fellowships and papers I need to write..
[13:17] <Dr_willis> the main problem with 'hardware' is hardware support. :)
[13:17] <Suiko> but. instead of hanging around here, dont you think to redo your lost work?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> Lummoxx_: just buy whats compatible and you got an easy life
[13:18] <Dr_willis> it pays to buy hardware that is not the latest :)
[13:18] <PSiL0> Suiko: It is late, and I need to sleep..   :D  I'm running nice and stable here, Kubuntu 8.10 and KDE 4.2  :)
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Lummoxx_: if more companys embraced linux / bsd  itd be cool but some flat refuse (logitech are a classic example)
[13:18] <PSiL0> Lummoxx_: not when it comes to biomedical research though
[13:18] <Suiko> then do some minute sleeping, i do this to in college =D
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: it also pays to not buy from Creative ;)
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> If you're doing biomedical research, then you should be on 8.04 LTS
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> And run 8.10 KDE 4.2 on a spare laptop that you can screw with
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> or something
[13:19] <Suiko> or a virtual maschine =D
[13:19] <Lummoxx_> heh, that too
[13:20] <PSiL0> sorry guys, I have to get up in a few hours for a long drive... I have to tell my collaborator that my linux laptop ate my experiment results from the other day...
[13:20] <PSiL0> that I have to a backtrace, which is going to be even more painful
[13:20] <Suiko> well then, good luck
[13:21] <Dr_willis> ive had very few issues with my creative cards..  untill the xifi
[13:21] <Dr_willis> my auigy 2 cards ahve outlasted 5+ PC's :)
[13:21] <Lummoxx_> Hehe, if you put as much effort into your OS, instead of the drama, you'd be running 8.04 LTS and stable.
[13:22] <Lummoxx_> I've got an original Logitech G15 keyboard and a Creative X-Fi in this.
[13:22] <Suiko> Lummoxx, dont forget about kde 3*
[13:22] <Lummoxx_> The G15tools seem decent, but are poorly documented...took a day of forums cruising and googling to get it semi-working.
[13:22] <Dr_willis> I got a G15 also.. silly key letters are all work off the asdf keys.
[13:23] <Dr_willis> I can get thiose working real fast. :) but i learned how to use them befor they were even well documented. Heh
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> Lummoxx_: ive a keysonic mouse / kb in one which is seen as a standard usb kb / mouse and an onboard realtek 5.1 which works out of the box, even my netgear wifi works out of the box
[13:23] <Lummoxx_> The sound card, I grabbed the creative linux drivers, compiled and installed, and I have sound.  Haven't done any real checking, though, like making sure 7.1 works, etc.
[13:24] <Lummoxx_> yeah, working out of the box is nice...but the key for me, is that there are solutions for my hardware, I just have to work at it a little.  And I don't hit IRC crying "woe is me" when it doesn't work inside 3 minutes.  :)
[13:25] <Dr_willis> Lummoxx_,  You mean You read the fine docs first?
[13:25] <Lummoxx_> I've been a Gnome user up until this month.  :)  I also have Fedora 10 with KDE 4.2 on my laptop...an Inspiron 9300 .  :)  Stable so far too, and that hardware is kinda old now.
[13:26] <Lummoxx_> Hah, yeah.  Docs.
[13:27] <Lummoxx_> I spend a lot of time buried in documentation, READMEs, and googling, mainly because the people I support are incapable.
[13:27] <Lummoxx_> But...it's a living.
[13:31] <Lummoxx_> In a perfect world, we could always use what the F really means in RTFM.  :)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> i used to, now i dont deal with users for work :)
[13:38] <arkygeek> Hi.  I am running Kubuntu Intrepid.  How do I associate .jar files with Sun Java?
[13:38] <Suiko> java -jar file.jar
[13:38] <arkygeek> If I open in file browser, I can right click on them and go open with >  Sun   but on desktop,etc, if i right click, that option is not there
[13:39] <arkygeek> Suiko: thanks.  but how do i get it so that i can just click on the .jar file?
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> arkygeek: right click jar file -> open with   select the java binary and select 'remember this association' or hatever it is
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> arkygeek: if you type: which java    it will give you the path to the java binary
[13:40] <arkygeek> ahhhh thanks ActionParsnip
[13:40] <Suiko> i like java =D
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> arkygeek: works with all binarys in your PATH
[13:51] <drostie> anyone recall where the single click/double click preference is located?
[13:52] <drostie> (I'm in kde 4.2, in case it changed.)
[13:52] <Lummoxx_> System Settings, Keyboard & Mouse, Mouse
[13:53] <ifroog> Question, Is there a kde3 version of Kubuntu 8.10?
[13:55] <drostie> thankee :-)
[13:56] <Lummoxx_> remove the kde that's installed, or better yet, don't install any gui at all on 8.10, then download and compile the source for kde3.  then come back and let us know how well it went.  :)
[13:58] <ifroog> Compile, Is it not there on the repository?
[13:59] <Lummoxx_> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but no...why would it be?  Kubuntu ships with KDE 4.1, I think it would be unreasonable and impractical to keep every old version of every package as well.
[14:00] <ifroog> So, kde 3 is not being developed separately?
[14:00] <Lummoxx_> actually, an apt-cache search kde3 shows that it's not in the repo
[14:02] <Lummoxx_> Your query confuses me.
[14:02] <Lummoxx_> Why would they develop kde3 for a distro that is released with kde4?
[14:02] <Lummoxx_> More accurately, 4.1 with 4.2 in the pipe?
[14:03] <Lummoxx_> If you want kde3 on 8.10, you'll have to download it from kde.  Someone may have packages for it that may work on 8.10, but more likely you'll have to download the source and compile/make install it.
[14:04] <drostie> ifroog: but if you're concerned that KDE 4.1 was a bit crap, just wait a little for KDE 4.2 (or install jaunty)
[14:04] <Lummoxx_> Or be daring like me, and install the "experimental" 4.2  :)
[14:04] <drostie> (or try the upgrade path, but it's maybe a little tricky to get right.)
[14:04] <freegoo> guys i really need help, i tryed mounting with sudo. but when i try and create a file i get the read only
[14:05] <freegoo> i check mount. and it says RW: "/dev/sdb3 on /media/dfddrive type hfsplus (rw)"
[14:05] <ifroog> drostie, I am on 4.2 actually..
[14:05] <ifroog> Lummoxx_,
[14:06] <freegoo> i also tryed chmod. but again said read only file system. seriously out of ideas. can anyone
[14:06] <ifroog> Got 4.2 from http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu
[14:07] <drostie> freegoo: Is it a permissions problem? (does [sudo touch /media/dfddrive/testfile] also produce the same error?)
[14:08] <drostie> ifroog: k. Just asking; I know a bunch of people were upset by their first experiences of kde4.
[14:08] <Lummoxx_> ifroog: dunno what that is.  I upgraded mine by following the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[14:08] <Lummoxx_> strictly imo: the "stable" 4.1 is worse than "experimental" 4.2
[14:09] <ifroog> yeah, true
[14:09] <Lummoxx_> your mileage may vary, IANAL, all rights reserved, etc.
[14:09] <freegoo> drostie: touch: cannot touch `/media/dfddrive/testfile': Read-only file system
[14:09] <Dr_willis> I found 4.2 an improvement.. but i still see room for Much more improvement.
[14:09] <freegoo> drostie: thanks for the help
[14:10] <ifroog> I was on ubuntu 8.10 then moved to kde4.2.
[14:10] <ifroog> adding the repo above.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> "morning
[14:11] <Lummoxx_> again, I don't recognize that project-neon thing.  I upgraded to 4.2 using the instructions I linked above, right on kubuntu.org
[14:11] <Lummoxx_> which I would consider "authoritive"
[14:11] <Lummoxx_> eg: added the repo, added the public key, updated using Adept
[14:12] <ifroog> Alright, i will reinstall this system with kde 8.10 and follow that link.
[14:12] <ifroog> kubuntu*
[14:12] <ifroog> cause, im mixed up with ubuntu repos.
[14:12] <Lummoxx_> there was an error during the update, but the recommended fix in the error worked fine
[14:13] <Lummoxx_> just had to do an apt-get -f install
[14:13] <ifroog> k
[14:13] <drostie> freegoo: does this happen with other drives, too, or just HFS+ (Apple) formatted ones?
[14:14] <ockonal> Hello, how can i configure my microphone for skype?
[14:14] <Lummoxx_> Is http://wiki.kubuntu.org down for anyone?  taking forever to load pages.
[14:15] <Dr_willis> !skype
[14:15] <ifroog> drostie, Lummoxx_ Dr_willis, Tx, Cya guys later on the experimental.
[14:15] <ockonal> Dr_willis: skype.. How can i configure it for all system?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Lummoxx_, it's taking along timre here too.
[14:15] <Lummoxx_> good luck ifroog
[14:16] <Lummoxx_> heh, the mice must be tired
[14:17] <BluesKaj> on strike, by the look of it :
[14:17] <drostie> ockonal: is your microphone working in the first place? (does [xxd -l 128 /dev/audio] output something random looking or something repetitive looking?
[14:19] <DJ_Synergy> hello@all
[14:19] <Lummoxx_> hi DJ
[14:20] <DJ_Synergy> i need some help with my intrepid ... it worked fine ... then i updated my packages and installed the ATIX-Driver for my radeon 9200
[14:20] <ockonal> drostie: xxd: /dev/audio: Device or resource busy
[14:20] <DJ_Synergy> now intrepid won't start kde
[14:20] <drostie> ockonal: are you doing something else with your audio device right now?
[14:20] <DJ_Synergy> the display flickers 3 times but won't display kde
[14:21] <ockonal> drostie: yeah, i've enabled it in kMix
[14:21] <ockonal> drostie: i can hear myself, but my opponent in skype can't
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> can he hear other people?
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> :D
[14:22] <ockonal> . . .
[14:22] <ockonal> :)
[14:22] <DJ_Synergy> he has turned of his speakers ^
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> Hey, it's a fair question!
[14:22] <DJ_Synergy> xD
[14:22] <ockonal> Sorry
[14:22] <Lummoxx_> If he's only tried to Skype with you, then how do you know the problem isn't on his end?
[14:22] <ockonal> But i've just spoken with him in Windows
[14:23] <ockonal> Lummoxx_: i've just spoken :)
[14:23] <DJ_Synergy> ockonal .. if you can hear yourself, i think it is not a problem with your audiodevice
[14:23] <DJ_Synergy> maybe skype isn't configured correctly
[14:24] <ockonal> Dj_Synergy: so, i asked here, how can i config it
[14:24] <ockonal> device input: default
[14:24] <DJ_Synergy> ok .. at this time i was not in this channel .. sry
[14:24] <ockonal> and others fieald are default
[14:24] <ockonal> ok
[14:25] <DJ_Synergy> so i've never used skype in linux ... sry ... but i can't help you with this problem
[14:26] <ockonal> Dj_Synergy: thanx ;)
[14:26] <DJ_Synergy> ^^
[14:26] <Lummoxx_> Neither have I.  Skype run natively in linux?
[14:27] <DJ_Synergy> but .. i need help with intrepid ... it will not start kde correctly after updating packages and installing ATI-Radeon-Driver
[14:27] <DJ_Synergy> i think it's a problem with the ATI-Driver
[14:27] <DJ_Synergy> but i can't remember the package-name to uninstall
[14:29] <DJ_Synergy> textmode works fine ... everything is ok ... i can run apt-get and so on ...
[14:29] <drostie> Lummoxx_: Skype is one of the hallmark Qt applications. ^_^
[14:29] <Lummoxx_> dpkg -l | grep ati   ?
[14:30] <Lummoxx_> drostie: oh, I guess you can tell, I don't use Skype  :D
[14:30] <drostie> And to whoever asked about wiki.kubuntu.org, I'm getting errors when I load that.
[14:30] <Lummoxx_> yeah, that was me, it appears to have lost my G15 page I was creating.  :(
[14:30] <DJ_Synergy> hmm ... what is this command doing???
[14:30] <BluesKaj> DJ_Synergy, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[14:31] <drostie> DJ_Synergy: aptitude search suggests xserver-xorg-video-ati.
[14:31] <Lummoxx_> "dpkg -l" lists installed packages, the " | grep ati" filters out packages except those that contain "ati" in the name.
[14:31] <DJ_Synergy> exactly that is the driverpackage
[14:32] <DJ_Synergy> ok .. i will try to remove this package
[14:33] <BluesKaj> DJ_Synergy , adept lists the 9200 as supported by the xorg-driver-fglrx ...it sounds like a generic driver , but if the specific one you installed won't launch X then you have make a decision
[14:33] <BluesKaj> have to
[14:34] <Cybio> btw you also can try to change fglrx in ati in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:34] <DJ_Synergy> ahhh ok .. so if i remove the package, X will start again???
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Cybio, that was a good suggestion for older versions of the OS , not for intrepid
[14:35] <diego_> hi guys, is this the right channel to ask why an excel file cannot be opened properly, looks like a bunch of xml only, on ubuntu-> openoffice latest version?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> DJ_Synergy , remove the package then install xorg-driver-fglrx
[14:38] <tester_> amarok 2.0 isn't really memory friendly
[14:39] <cuznt> i have no probs at all with amarok
[14:39] <Lummoxx_> diego_: not really, sounds more like an open office and/or excel issue.  your time would probably be better spent looking at those, unless someone here has an answer off the top of their head.
[14:40] <tester_> free comparisons show that loading amarok + loading a cool stream takes ~70mb of ram
[14:40] <tester_> rhythmbox doing a similar task takes 37mb
[14:40] <BluesKaj> cuznt , telling ppl that you have no probs doesn't help anyone solve theirs
[14:40] <drostie> diego_: Do you have openoffice.org-calc installed? What happens if you try to import it into Calc with the menu options?
[14:40] <tester_> the rest seems quite ok
[14:40] <tester_> in jaunty alpha 4 and ram usage testing
[14:41] <drostie> (I wasn't aware that Excel had an XML-ish format, but what do I know?)
[14:43] <cuznt> i was actually responding to <tester_> amarok 2.0 isn't really memory friendly
[14:43] <shazoor> is there anyone to chat with me?
[14:43] <drostie> no. next question?
[14:44] <tester_> cuznt: it works fine, i am just testing kde4 memory usage in a vm here
[14:44] <Lummoxx_> does the bot like everyone?  let's see.
[14:44] <Lummoxx_> !ask
[14:44] <Lummoxx_> It does!  It likes me!
[14:44] <cuznt> right on
[14:44] <drostie> tester_: 35 mb sounds like awfully little to be worried about.
[14:45] <diego_> drostie: i get something like an import wizard that shows me a bunch of xml instead of the actuall xls file properly formatted in the spreadsheet
[14:45] <tester_> drostie: 35mb is roughly 40% more than rhythmbox takes and it is a lot
[14:45] <diego_> i have managed to install the latest version 3
[14:45] <tester_> taken that the whole kde desktop only + quassel and konsole takes only 18mb here
[14:46] <lex_> hy
[14:46] <cuznt> !quassel
[14:46] <cuznt> what is quassel?
[14:46] <lex_> hi
[14:46] <tester_> cuznt: the new default irc client in kubuntu jaunty
[14:47] <lex_> my english is bad..
[14:47] <drostie> diego_: hold on, let me try to find a smallish .xls file online.
[14:47] <tester_> does anybody know what happened to the k3b kde4 port?
[14:47] <cuznt> i did not getthat.
[14:47] <cuznt> im ibby ibex
[14:47] <cuznt> or something like that
[14:47] <diego_> drostie if you wish i can send you the one i am trying to open
[14:48] <drostie> Is there a reference for ubottu, or do we just play around with commands like !dudewheresmycar until we find ones that work? :->
[14:48] <diego_> it is small
[14:48] <Lummoxx_> Oh, this is the first I've heard of Quassel, and I am greatly intrigued!
[14:48] <Lummoxx_> Especially the screen-like functionality.
[14:49] <tester_> Lummoxx_: yep and it looks great here and has notification integration into kde
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> tester_: it recently has gotten a lot of activiity. It looks very promising for Kubuntu 9.04
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> (k3b)
[14:49] <tester_> JontheEchidna: cool
[14:49] <tester_> JontheEchidna: will you use qt 4.5?
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> yes
[14:50] <tester_> i ask because of the webkitpart for konqui
[14:50] <tester_> khtml is not my friend anymore
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it'll be really nice for that among other things
[14:50] <tester_> it has been my friend very long...
[14:50] <BluesKaj> !functionality
[14:50] <drostie> diego_: that might be needed, since the ones I'm finding on Google, OpenOffice 3 has no trouble with, for me.
[14:50] <tester_> JontheEchidna: ok cool
[14:51] <diego_> should i dcc?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> hehe , even bots don't know what that word really means :)
[14:51] <tester_> how do i configure network-manager system wide settings
[14:51] <drostie> !the-impending-robot-apocalypse
[14:51] <tester_> the kde config does not let me. it is a greyed out button
[14:51] <drostie> aww :-<
[14:52] <Lummoxx_> tester_: SystemSettings -> Network Settings is grayed out?
[14:53] <drostie> diego_: are you firewalled?
[14:53] <diego_> mhhh i dont think
[14:53] <diego_> i m under my company network
[14:53] <diego_> anyway i ll put it on a ftp
[14:54] <drostie> k.
[14:54] <tester_> Lummoxx_: System Settings -> Network Management -> modify/configure -> System Connection checkbox
[14:56] <tester_> i need to have system connection for wireless since home is on nfs
[14:56] <tester_> i use /etc/network/interfaces at the moment
[14:56] <tester_> but nm would be nice
[14:56] <tester_> especially on laptops where you have a login for remote usage as well
[14:59] <diego_> drostie let me know if it works for you
[15:01] <diego_> i hope it is just  a simple compatibility prob that can be solved
[15:01] <valmira> hello
[15:01] <valmira> how to chancge mz destkop resolution?
[15:05] <diego_> drostie:  what do you think? did you manage to open the file?
[15:07] <ockonal> valmira: Ctrl + '+'
[15:10] <drostie> diego_: nope. It appears that OpenOffice.org 3.0.1 in the repos doesn't like the Office Open standard that Microsoft is using.
[15:12] <diego_> so the file is not working for you either ?
[15:13] <Suiko> moin
[15:13] <z1pp3r> On a fresh 8.10 install, the system crashes whenever i try to connect to my WPA encrypted wireless network using a Linksys WMP110 RangePlus PCI card. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[15:15] <drostie> diego_: nope.
[15:15] <drostie> side note: why couldn't Microsoft come up with a better name than "Office Open XML" ...?
[15:17] <Suiko> Bill Gates wants to steal your brainwaves !