[00:48] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Bug 728902
[01:01] <apachelogger> rekonq
[01:01] <apachelogger> mhhh
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> Although, I need to alter that report...
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> rekonq uses KDE bug tracking right?
[01:03] <apachelogger> ye
[01:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[01:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Finnegan's Wake" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0sHAPS4ei1NAGySIK9iPlY] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[01:04] <apachelogger> righton
[01:05] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot
[01:05] <DarkwingDuck> One less bug to worry about now.
[01:07] <apachelogger> bugs are for people who have too much spare time (like the people working on rekonq apparently) :P
[01:08] <apachelogger> the empire of phonon maintains a no-bugs policy :P
[01:08] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[01:09] <DarkwingDuck> Hye, bugs serve a purpose.
[01:09] <DarkwingDuck> Speaking of... I need to go through the Bug people and get info... Looks like I'll be leading an army (My loco) into a global bug jam
[01:10]  * apachelogger likes a good war against bugs
[01:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you could also found the kubuntu starship troopers while you are at it :P
[01:11] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntu Starship Troopers? :D
[01:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:11] <DarkwingDuck> That would be AWESOME!
[01:11] <apachelogger> wanted to make them years ago
[01:11] <apachelogger> never got round to actually do it
[01:11] <apachelogger> it is like ninjas, just for bugs
[01:12] <DarkwingDuck> A dedicated Kubuntu Bug Hunting Team
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: that actually might not be a bad idea
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: are you working on more topics then what is on the wiki?
[01:36] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck ummm
[01:37] <jjesse> i don't even remember what the wiki says
[01:37] <jjesse> linky
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty
[01:38] <jjesse> too be honest i have looked at docs in awhile
[01:38] <jjesse> when are they due?
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> April 7th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:40] <jjesse> coolio
[01:40] <jjesse> plenty of time :)
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> Aye... But, that is less then one month away.
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> and I have not had anyone send me anything other then GreyGeek
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> So, it's us for the final push
[01:41] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: of course it isn't a bad idea, it is mine :P
[01:41] <jjesse> yeah but i need to get an updated version of the book by the end of the week
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I think i'll look into it on the +1
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Oh yeah, you wrote for the "Official book" dont you?
[01:42] <jjesse> yup
[01:42] <jjesse> whatever chapter the kubuntu section is
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> How does one get into that? :P:P
[01:42] <jjesse> though i keep asking for a full book
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> Aye.
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> We kinda need one.
[01:42] <jjesse> cuase one chapter is a pain, would be nice to have a full kubuntu/kde book :)
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> Why don't we write one?
[01:43] <jjesse> need a publisher
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> O'Riley might...
[01:44]  * DarkwingDuck shrugs
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm about halfway done with my book.
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to work on it once this cycle ends
[01:45] <jjesse> what book is that?
[01:45] <jjesse> maco had the idea before me to write the kde book
[01:45] <jjesse> in fact she has a table of contents floating around someplace
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> It's a book on Documentation. Theory and How To
[01:46] <jjesse> sounds boring :)
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> I'll make it not boring.
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> I figured out after my third talk on documentation how to make it not as boring.
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Does anyone know if calligra can save as doc/docx yet?
[01:48] <jjesse> i doubt it, don't know/never tried
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> It says it can open them... but, nothing on saving... I'll just stick with Libre-Office for now.
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Right now, the POC for KDE/Kubuntu bugs is Yuriy
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I don't want to step on the toes of the Bug Squad but, if we treated it like the Ninjas did instead of the MOTU... I don't know why it wouldn't work.
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: when ever you get back... ping
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> What is the Kubuntu Ninjas relationship with MOTU?
[02:15] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: ninjas is there to manage upload rights to the kubuntu PPAs, not much to do with MOTU
[02:15] <yofel> (afaik)
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: Okay, I've taken apachelogger's idea about Kubuntu bugs and was talking to one of the people on the Bug Squad on that process so we don't duplicate any efforts
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> And I wanted to see what the Ninja/MOTU relationship was
[02:16] <yofel> with who? and where?
[02:17] <yofel> and which busquad?
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> ddecator in Beginners Team at the moment.
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> It was more on the process of the Bug Squad
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> They take bugs then triage as I understand
[02:17] <yofel> ah, was confused as I didn't noticy anything in #ubuntu-bugs
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[02:18]  * yofel reads beginners backlog
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: You are a BT member?
[02:18] <yofel> no, bug control
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> Got ya
[02:18] <yofel> I just hang out in their channels
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> I'm running for their council :)
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway...
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> If we take the Kubuntu related bugs afte the triage process then we can follow the progress ect.
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> This way we dont' have outdated bugs in the system... that would be a good project for a small handfull of people.
[02:20] <DarkwingDuck> We can let the Bug Squad have their triage fun and we keep positive control after that process.
[02:20] <yofel> yeah, just note that our process is a bit different, while we do triage the bugs, if it's an upstream bug we don't track it on launchpad at all, the bug is closed with a notice it should go to bugs.kde.org
[02:20] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh.
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> Maybe that can be something that we can do.
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> Verify the bug then file it with bugs.kde
[02:21] <yofel> talk to JohntheEchidna, he's been doing a lot of that
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> Roger
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> See, this is where a small community helps... This way we can track who does what and how to help
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> and I just LOVE apachelogger name for it... Kubuntu Starship Troopers
[02:22] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: also, feel free to take #kubuntu-bugs, I don't know who the admin is, but it's pretty unused currently :S
[02:23] <DarkwingDuck> Bingo
[02:23] <DarkwingDuck> I think I'm actually gonna run with this one.
[02:24] <yofel> the current bugs team (that manages the package list that the team is subscribed to) is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: ping
[02:29] <yofel> which reminds me...
[02:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yes?
[02:30] <yofel> Riddell: would it make sense if you could subscribe kubuntu-bugs to the PPA bugs? Currently a few of us keep track of those bug it would be nice to have those on the bugs mailinglist
[02:30] <jjesse> 10.04 was a long term release wasn't it
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> ummmm yes
[02:31] <yofel> yes
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: pong
[02:32] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: You been doing work on entering upstream bugs to bugs.kde?
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> I've not worked with bugs in a while now
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> I did do some back when I triaged
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: I'm taking an idea from apachelogger and running with it.
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> cool
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: and it will give me something else to do the other 48 weeks of the year when I'm not updating docs :D
[02:34] <jjesse> is there a theme to this release?
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> To Natty?
[02:34] <jjesse> yeah to natty
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> narwhals!
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> Spear the compitition? :P:P
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> (sp?)
[02:35] <jjesse> like 11.04 is super awesome and will make you poop your pants
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:38] <DarkwingDuck> Do we know who is running Kubuntu Bug Squad these days?
[02:41] <yofel> the admin is Riddell, the last time anyone talked about triaging guideslines was around project timelord I think though
[02:41] <jjesse> so no realy theme?
[02:41] <yofel> and I don't think our wiki pages are up to date there either
[02:42] <yofel> neither the triaging ones, nor the filing ones
[02:42] <yofel> I haven't looked at them in a while though
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Nope... Wiki pages are horrible actually... that another project in my todo after the doc freeze
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I have not heard of any
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'll catch you tomorrow I guess... I have a plan in mind for th Starship troopers
[03:27] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Mornin
[03:51] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how to use aliases in Quassel?
[05:07] <shadeslayer> hah
[05:07] <shadeslayer> upgrade to natty left me with no X
[05:08] <shadeslayer> and now i need to find a pendrive so i can finish putting meego on my phone
[05:52] <nixternal> keep your eye out for someone selling a zareason laptop
[05:52] <nixternal> yeah, like they would be selling it outside of chicago :)
[13:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: It looks like I'm full of fail on building Qt with gcc4.5.  Would you please have a look at it.
[14:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: where do I look
[14:13] <apachelogger> ?
[15:02] <nigelb> Riddell: Could you ask me Monday if I did post your postcards (in case I forgot)
[15:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66228334/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.qt4-x11_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: where do you see fail?
[15:37] <ScottK> It still pulled in gcc4.4 and appeared to be using it.  Maybe I just read the log wrong?
[15:39]  * apachelogger is more concerned with the fact that apparently the symbols files are up to date
[15:40] <debfx> the lzma sequence pulls in gcc 4.4
[15:40] <apachelogger> my system is utterly broken
[15:40] <apachelogger> can't search in that log
[15:47] <ScottK> debfx: Can you look at what we need to do?
[15:47]  * ScottK is stuck on some other stuff today.
[15:47] <debfx> ScottK: revert the last pkg-kde-tools upload
[15:47] <ScottK> That affects Qt?
[15:48] <debfx> yes, qt uses the lzma and symbolshelper sequences
[15:48] <ScottK> Sure enough.
[15:48] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:48] <ScottK> OK.  I've got time to do that.
[15:53] <ScottK> Uploaded.  I'll upload Qt again after that's done.
[15:53] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[15:55] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: sorry dude, doc updates are in the hands of a theif :D  someone stole my laptop, so my build fixes are gone for the time being and quite a few updates. that's what i get for not committing :/
[15:57] <debfx> ScottK: please include my changes in the qt branch
[15:57] <nigelb> arg, how do I maximize a window when I'm using Kubuntu?
[16:00] <effie_jayx> nixternal: sent you a laptop suggestion via twitter ;)
[16:01] <ScottK> debfx: Will do.
[16:01] <effie_jayx> nigelb: just click on minimized app on the task management bar?
[16:01] <nigelb> effie_jayx: with the keyboard :)
[16:01] <nigelb> alt + space + X isn't working and I'm thinking what else
[16:03] <nixternal> effie_jayx: these things have gotten expensive since the last one i purchased. looks like i might have to live with 1366x768 on a new one. liked the much higher resolution though for coding
[16:04] <effie_jayx> nixternal: ahhh :S
[16:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: you'll need to set a shortcut in the global shortcuts thingy of systemsettings
[16:04] <apachelogger> eh
[16:04] <apachelogger> nigelb: ^
[16:04]  * apachelogger is starving and leaves to find food
[16:04] <nigelb> apachelogger: thanks :)
[16:04] <effie_jayx> nixternal:  e should open up a pot for ptchin in for you new pc
[16:04] <effie_jayx> I use lots of stuff you make man
[16:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I say that..
[16:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I texted you a deal on a lappy
[16:05] <effie_jayx> apachelogger: buen provecho
[16:05] <ScottK> debfx: I'll need to unapply that patch before I apply your bzr diff, right?
[16:07] <nigelb> apachelogger: wheee!
[16:07] <nigelb> apachelogger: I think its time I started looking out for Kubuntu junior jobs :)
[16:07] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yeah, 1366x768 :p
[16:08] <nixternal> effie_jayx: i always have my pot open via my website with a huge 'contribute/donate' button :)
[16:08] <nixternal> i don't like to call out for people to do that though, i feel bad, especially with the stuff in japan going on. i would rather have people donate money to that instead of me
[16:08] <effie_jayx> nixternal: shall make my donation :)
[16:08] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Don't worry about the docs bro... I'm sorry man
[16:09] <nixternal> i had finally gotten cmake to work with the building. that was a pain in the ass too
[16:09] <nixternal> reason i didn't commit is because i didn't want to commit broken stuff at the time
[16:09] <nixternal> and the doc updates were fairly simple iirc
[16:11] <ScottK> FYI, you could push a separate branch in such cases ...
[16:14] <nixternal> shush, to late for that :p
[16:14] <nixternal> and i do have my own doc branch too
[16:14] <nixternal> the one thing i will miss about that laptop is how well it compiled kde
[16:17] <debfx> ScottK: shouldn't be necessary when you use bzr-buidpackage
[16:17] <ScottK> I don't.
[16:18] <debfx> in that case you need to run quilt pop -a
[16:19] <ScottK> Doing it now.  It takes a while on my 5400 rpm hard drive....
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> Neat @ GCC 4.6: "G++ now issues clearer diagnostics for missing semicolons after class, struct, and union definitions."
[16:22]  * debfx is  tempted to set "abort-on-upstream-changes" to prevent such accidental patches
[16:52] <Riddell> brr, cold here
[16:53] <ScottK> dpkg-source: info: building qt4-x11 using existing ./qt4-x11_4.7.2.orig.tar.gz can take a VERY long time.
[16:56] <yofel> wb Riddell :)
[16:57] <Riddell> did you miss me? :)
[17:02] <nixternal> where you at Riddell?
[17:02] <yofel> oc, how warm was it in india?
[17:03] <Riddell> nixternal: back home in Embra, was in Bangalore a toasty 25 degrees vs 2 here
[17:04] <nixternal> ahh, it seems to be finally warming up here. excited, back to outdoor riding
[17:12] <c2tarun> Riddell: hi, you looked at the branch of koffice-2.3.3 I posted?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> It's around 4 here. The snow is finally melting
[17:13] <c2tarun> Riddell: 25 is what we consider pleasant here ;) you must visit when its 40 :D
[17:14] <c2tarun> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~c2tarun/koffice/2.3.3-0ubuntu1
[17:19] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded.  Thanks again for the help.
[17:25] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, if you e-mail me I'll look at it tomorrow
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hey! you reached? :D
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: reached?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> home
[17:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure I'll do that. please give me your email address or you LP page link
[17:43] <c2tarun> Riddell: I got your LP page link I'll mail you the link
[17:52] <Riddell> thanks c2tarun, sorry too jet lagged just now
[18:03] <c2tarun> NP :)
[18:19] <debfx> JontheEchidna: have you had a look at bug #630879 / post on the ML?
[18:43] <bambee> hey
[18:53] <Riddell> hi bambee
[19:15] <apachelogger> mhhh
[19:15] <apachelogger> youbuntoo natty reminds me of the 90's
[19:15] <apachelogger> 1024x768
[19:15] <apachelogger> most awesome resolution ever
[19:55] <bambee> evening
[20:04] <unitylogger> hmmmm
[20:04] <unitylogger> I wonder why quasse-client-qt4 does not integrate the menubar into unity
[20:04] <unitylogger> bambee: ahoy
[20:17] <Daskreech> afiestas: ping
[20:27] <afiestas> Daskreech: pong
[20:27] <Daskreech> afiestas: Did you work on powerdevil?
[20:29] <afiestas> Daskreech: nope, but I know a couple of things about it
[20:29] <afiestas> and I help a little bit on the upower backend
[20:29] <Daskreech> afiestas: ah right. ok Can you set it so that on wake from hibernate/suspend KDE does not ask for  password?
[20:30] <afiestas> yes you can
[20:30] <Daskreech> where?
[20:30] <afiestas> execute krunner
[20:30] <afiestas> search for "powerdevil"
[20:30] <afiestas> and execute "Global settings"
[20:30] <afiestas> then the first checkbox says: Lock screen on resume
[20:30] <afiestas> uncheck it
[20:30] <Daskreech> Lock screen
[20:30] <Daskreech> ok :)
[20:30] <Daskreech> Yay KDE! :)
[20:31] <afiestas> :p
[20:31] <Daskreech> thanks :)
[20:33] <Daskreech> afiestas: Wow. Searching for powerdevil now puts Global at the top. Krunner remembered!
[20:33] <afiestas> really? omg :p
[20:33] <Daskreech> afiestas: it's really interesting how people operate.
[20:33] <afiestas> omg yes
[20:33] <afiestas> krunner rocks :p
[20:35] <unitylogger> considering the amount of useless results krunner finds most of the time that was sort of necessary :D
[20:36] <afiestas> unitylogger: like what?
[20:36] <unitylogger> afiestas: install the runner addons you will see :P
[20:36] <unitylogger> fortunately enough the contacts runner is broken right now
[20:39] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Oh lord yes remember that?
[20:39] <Daskreech> Granted it's still the one I miss the most :(
[20:40] <bambee> unitylogger: unity seriously ? :P
[20:40] <Daskreech> I like just being able to type someone's name and have the option to chat with them if they are on line or send an e-mail if they are not
[20:42] <unitylogger> http://i.imgur.com/uKH3J.jpg
[20:53] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Thats unity?
[21:04] <Blizzz> unitylogger: new haircut?
[21:05] <claydoh> no, thatsa tru image of unitylogger after a few drinks
[21:05] <unitylogger> yah, it happens
[21:06] <claydoh> unity isn't completely aweful, after my 60 seconds' usage
[21:06] <unitylogger> buggy as hell it is
[21:07] <yofel> oh, it works now? Last time I wanted to try it I got no panels
[21:08]  * claydoh wonders how loud/how long the anti-unity/anti-gnome-shell foilks will be vocal, as comared to the kde3 die-hards
[21:09] <Daskreech> claydoh: Until someone comes up with a way to keep Gnome 2 alive
[21:09] <claydoh> yofel: yeah, one day it didn't work at all, next day's image worked
[21:09] <unitylogger> I see it already
[21:10] <unitylogger> it could be called dual or something
[21:10] <unitylogger> goes perfectly fine with trinity
[21:11] <unitylogger> claydoh: it is more fun though ... you got those that like gnome2, then you got those that hate unity, those that hate gnome shell, those that hate unity but accept gnome shell but prefer gnome2 and those that hate gnome sull but accept unity but prefer gnome2
[21:11] <unitylogger> it is the awesome
[21:11] <claydoh> unitylogger: i actually understood all that
[21:13] <claydoh> makes sense really
[21:13] <Daskreech> With the exception that if you took the time KDE 4 can be a drop in replacement for KDE 3
[21:13] <Daskreech> once most people got that they were fine
[21:14] <Daskreech>  then you had the idiots who didn't want to take the time
[21:14] <unitylogger> claydoh: are you suggesting that I am not drunk enough :O
[21:14] <Daskreech> one guy took 3 months to figure out that he could have a folder tree in Dolphin
[21:14]  * unitylogger opens another bottle of wine
[21:14] <claydoh> unitylogger: sre
[21:14] <yofel> well, there are those too that were scared off by 4.0 and didn't want to try again
[21:14] <claydoh> sure
[21:14] <yofel> we'll see how buggy gnome-shell will get
[21:15] <Daskreech> even though in his blog (of three months ago) people pointed it out to him.
[21:15] <Daskreech> yofel: it will have bugs. That's all that is needed
[21:15] <yofel> yeah, fun times ahead
[21:15] <Daskreech> Bugs in software you are using are annoying. Bugs in Software you are not are huuuuuuuuge show stoppers
[21:15] <Daskreech> Doesn't matter if they are the same bug
[21:16] <claydoh> tho you probably won't hear about missing features, as gnome doesnt really have any, sort of
[21:16] <yofel> hehe
[21:17] <yofel> you do hear people complaining about missing configurability options in unity though already
[21:17] <Daskreech> and you will have at least one oppurtunistic jackass and one stubborn loudmouth who will keep shouting till it's a massive issue that you have the bug rather than any efforts to fix it
[21:17] <Daskreech> claydoh: Gnome. The one big red button marked this is what you wanted to do
[21:18] <claydoh> heh
[21:19] <Daskreech> with any case they won't bleed people as visibly as KDE did
[21:19] <Daskreech> Though in actual numbers they might lose more users
[21:20] <Daskreech> My biggest worry for Gnome is they have a very big culture of very slow innovations and changes. So if they do realise something needs to be done it will take a long time for that to come across
[21:21] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Wasn't Gnome3 supposed to ship Two years ago? or was it last year the grand debut was to happen?
[21:21] <unitylogger> yes, we got a bit held up
[21:22] <Daskreech> unitylogger: That's not really an answer to the question :)
[21:23] <unitylogger> sure it is :P
[21:23] <Daskreech> Two years or one year?
[21:34] <unitylogger> Daskreech: perhaps
[21:35] <Daskreech> :)
[21:36] <unitylogger> Daskreech: FWIW, IIRC it is actually both
[21:36] <unitylogger> the original early target was two years ago
[21:36] <Daskreech> Anyway two issues Gnome has to face is that you in no form or fashion can make Gnome3 into Gnome2 and they are very slow to change
[21:36] <unitylogger> and then they tried again last yera
[21:36] <Daskreech> that's what I remembered
[21:37] <unitylogger> (thats the reason there was no free desktop conference thing last year)
[21:37] <unitylogger> as gnome wanted to have guadec as promo stuffz or something
[21:37] <Daskreech> GNOME does have a boon in that Unity exists as well as Xfce
[21:37] <Daskreech> KDE doesn't really have that kind of fallback
[21:43] <claydoh> kde doesn't really need one, though perhaps an easier way to get to the klassic desktop look n feel might prove useful
[21:47] <Daskreech> claydoh: I meant another project who takes integration with KDE apps as a goal
[21:48] <Daskreech> People can still use all the GNOME apps and jump into Xfce or Unity and continue with thier lives
[21:48] <claydoh> ahh
[21:49] <claydoh> I wonder why that is :)
[21:49] <Daskreech> I've always just assumed that if you Like KDE you can make it yours
[21:49] <claydoh> kde's inherent tweakability maybe
[21:49] <claydoh> Daskreech: agreed
[21:49] <Daskreech> There hasn't been a reason to make another Qt desktop until recently
[21:50] <Daskreech> I'd say there is space now for a ultra light Qt based desktop but with Nokia going crazy people will probably wait that out
[21:59] <unitylogger> Daskreech: it is called unity-2d :P
[22:00] <unitylogger> actually I think there is one or two already
[22:00] <Daskreech> names and Git repos!
[22:00] <unitylogger> no
[22:00] <unitylogger> working stuffz
[22:00] <unitylogger> on qt-apps or kde-apps or somewhere
[22:00] <unitylogger> anyhow
[22:00] <unitylogger> the fallback for KDE is GTK :P
[22:00] <unitylogger> as Qt integrates into a gtk system anyway
[22:01] <unitylogger> that is why KDE is top of the food chain
[22:06] <nixternal> someone get sabdfl to hit my 'Contribute or Donate' button on my website, I need a new puter ASAP and I be broke :)
[22:06] <Daskreech> Get a hacky job and they will give you a computer :)
[22:09] <nixternal> i need more consulting gigs. right now i am making enough to pay bills and put food on the table. i need to put computers on the table too now :)
[22:11] <Daskreech> Put tables on the table
[22:11] <Daskreech> Capacity building
[22:18] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: When I get my check I'll toss some $$ your way
[22:28] <nixternal> $1,000 please :p
[22:28] <maco> DarkwingDuck: i still have the table of contents jjesse and i were talking about. i also talked to someone at No Starch about it at HOPE last summer
[22:28] <maco> i'd still like to do it
[22:33] <nixternal> I am donating 10% of any donations I receive to the 'get me a laptop soon fund' to relief efforts in Japan. I only feel it is the right thing to do when they need the money and support more than I need a laptop/dev box
[23:25] <DarkwingDuck> maco: I would love to help with it.


[00:19] <sublevel> does it log any info about the failure?  if not on the client, maybe the server?
[00:19] <sublevel> keyboard fumble, ignore
[08:11] <tohsa> how do you totally factory reset xubuntu? or upgrade to the latest stable version and delete all apps ive installed?
[08:13] <well_laid_lawn> tohsa:  afaik that is a wipe and install situation
[08:14] <tohsa> just reinstall with the xubuntu usb? will it overwrite windows
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> if ou hae a seperate partition for /home your configs can be reused
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> !dualboot
[08:15] <well_laid_lawn> during install you pick the partition/s xubununt will install on
[08:16] <well_laid_lawn> during install you pick the partition/s xubuntu will install on
[08:22] <tohsa> ah got it thought you had to do windows second but actually its other way around
[08:22] <tohsa> okay ill just delete the partition from windows and reinstall over it
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> tohsa:  good luck
[08:41] <tohsa> thanks
[16:23] <jbranislav> hi, anybody can help me with Xubuntu 18.4.3 on ThinkPad e590 AMD rx 550 graphic issue?
[16:26] <diogenes_> !ask
[16:27] <jbranislav> Hi all, i have ThinkPad E590 with Intel/Radeon RX 550 graphic card. After intslling Xubuntu 18.04.3 i'm having issue with low performance on AMD graphic card. I have tried installing amdgpu-pro and lot's of other stuff that i have found but nothing will help me to actually use AMD graphic card. amdgpu-pro installs but when i do `dpkg -l amdgpu-pro`
[16:27] <jbranislav> shows that driver is installed but not in use. After that i have uninstalled it.With default drivers `DRI_PRIME=1 glmark2 --fullscreen` (AMD) gives me lower result then `DRI_PRIME=0 glmark2 --fullscreen` (Intel). To do more testing i have two USB sticks with Xubuntu 18.04.3 and with Ubuntu 18.04.3 and when i booted, both have low but different
[16:27] <jbranislav> results of the same command. On ubuntu AMD did have slightly better performance.I have searched a lot over internet but nothing helped me, so if somebody have any idea that will be gret.Dist: Xubuntu 18.04.3 LTSKernel: 5.0.0-31-genericCurrent driver: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-18.04            19.0.1-1~18.04.1             amd64
[16:27] <jbranislav> X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driverXorg: xorg                                           1:7.7+19ubuntu7.1            amd64                        X.Org X Window System
[16:29] <jbranislav> (yeah, sorry for formatting, this is ment to go to forum)
[16:32] <jbranislav> and yeah, i have also tried to play with power settings
[16:36] <diogenes_> how do you measure performance?
[16:37] <tomreyn> you probably just didn't remove amdgpu-pro properly, and it's now making it run in vesa mode
[16:44] <jbranislav> i don't think so. all is removed and both is tested locally installed and on live stick.
[16:44] <jbranislav> DRI_PRIME=0 glmark2 --fullscreen will meassure performance
[16:44] <jbranislav> dri_prime will set 0 for intel and 1 for amd graphic card
[16:45] <jbranislav> and glmark2 did report correct card being in use
[16:52] <tomreyn> and which scores did you get?
[16:53] <jbranislav> low ones. Intel over 300, AMD under 100
[16:53] <jbranislav> and that's what bad. I did find that some people did have that same issue, tried something with power management etc, but nothng worked for me
[16:55] <tomreyn> hmm maybe the intel is fine, but that's too low for the amd, i agree
[16:55] <tomreyn> post a systemd journal if you like
[16:56] <tomreyn> actually    glxinfo -B   first of all.
[16:56] <tomreyn> for the amd
[17:01] <jbranislav> well that one will show you my intel card
[17:01] <jbranislav> DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo -B will show you my amd card. what do you want?
[17:02] <jbranislav> aha for the amdn
[17:02] <jbranislav> name of display: :0.0display: :0  screen: 0direct rendering: YesExtended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):    Vendor: X.Org (0x1002)    Device: Radeon 500 Series (POLARIS12, DRM 3.27.0, 5.0.0-31-generic, LLVM 9.0.0) (0x699f)    Version: 19.3.0    Accelerated: yes    Video memory: 2048MB    Unified memory: no    Preferred profile: core (0x1)
[17:02] <jbranislav> Max core profile version: 4.5    Max compat profile version: 4.5    Max GLES1 profile version: 1.1    Max GLES[23] profile version: 3.2Memory info (GL_ATI_meminfo):    VBO free memory - total: 2036 MB, largest block: 2036 MB    VBO free aux. memory - total: 3053 MB, largest block: 3053 MB    Texture free memory - total: 2036 MB, largest block: 2036
[17:02] <jbranislav> MB    Texture free aux. memory - total: 3053 MB, largest block: 3053 MB    Renderbuffer free memory - total: 2036 MB, largest block: 2036 MB    Renderbuffer free aux. memory - total: 3053 MB, largest block: 3053 MBMemory info (GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info):    Dedicated video memory: 2048 MB    Total available memory: 5120 MB    Currently available
[17:02] <jbranislav> dedicated video memory: 2036 MBOpenGL vendor string: X.OrgOpenGL renderer string: Radeon 500 Series (POLARIS12, DRM 3.27.0, 5.0.0-31-generic, LLVM 9.0.0)OpenGL core profile version string: 4.5 (Core Profile) Mesa 19.3.0-devel (git-907c239 2019-10-05 bionic-oibaf-ppa)OpenGL core profile shading language version string: 4.50OpenGL core profile
[17:02] <jbranislav> context flags: (none)OpenGL core profile profile mask: core profileOpenGL version string: 4.5 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 19.3.0-devel (git-907c239 2019-10-05 bionic-oibaf-ppa)OpenGL shading language version string: 4.50OpenGL context flags: (none)OpenGL profile mask: compatibility profileOpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 3.2 Mesa
[17:08] <tomreyn> jbranislav: once again, but now on the pastebin listed in the channel topic
[17:11] <jbranislav> like this (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vSffVmHsYH/)
[17:11] <tomreyn> much better
[17:11] <jbranislav> (sorry)
[17:11] <jbranislav> and thx for help
[17:12] <tomreyn> jbranislav: no worries. where did you install mesa from?
[17:13] <tomreyn> ah oibaf
[17:13] <jbranislav> tried one the default, and then on one ubuntu page it says i should add that repo
[17:13] <jbranislav> yes
[17:13] <jbranislav> tried with both, still the same results
[17:16] <tomreyn> jbranislav: do you still have the glmark output for the amd?
[17:17] <tomreyn> if not, just run it for a few seconds in full screen and post the first test result
[17:17] <tomreyn> i.e. [build] ...
[17:24] <jbranislav> aha wait
[17:36] <jbranislav> here it is
[17:36] <jbranislav> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BZ5DBfvFmn/
[17:50] <tomreyn> jbranislav: pretty terrible indeed. downgrade mesa to ubuntu's (ppa-purge oibaf), reboot and post   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999   if you want me to review the log. if it takes long, i may be gone in the meantime. be sure to mention my nickname when you return.
[18:00] <jbranislav> great, thx
[18:00] <jbranislav> will do that
[19:51] <Guest_94> howdy, anyone able to offer some advice on how to setup openvpn on a fresh USB install of Unbuntu 18.XX ?
[19:52] <Guest_94> am I all alone?
[22:44] <xubuntu67w> Hi. Someone have info, links, media, about how xubuntu handles the memory?
[23:37] <xubuntu32w> xubuntu won't detect the HDMI output with my intel celeron n3450, even though it worked with a previous ubuntu installation i had
[23:37] <xubuntu32w> what could be happening


[08:40] <oSoMoN> good morning everyone
[08:41] <oSoMoN> anyone around with permissions to trigger a rebuild of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/0.23+16.04.20151221-0ubuntu1/+build/8750367 ? (I guess it takes a core-dev)
[08:47] <oSoMoN> ogra_`, are you around, by any chance?
[08:50] <Mirv> oSoMoN: you're correct, it needs a core-dev
[08:52] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks for confirming
[08:53] <oSoMoN> let’s see if I can get hold of one before hoping on my plane
[13:56] <morphis_> Mirv: ping
[14:01] <Mirv> morphis_: pong
[14:02] <morphis_> Mirv: ah you're still there :-)
[14:03] <Mirv> morphis_: barely but yes :)
[14:04] <morphis_> Mirv: would be great if you can do another package upload for me
[14:05] <Mirv> morphis_: keep talking :)
[14:06] <morphis_> Mirv: but no, let me do that differently
[14:06] <morphis_> I will just put those package on a webhost somewhere for people, not blocking any silo with that for now :-)
[14:06] <morphis_> so .. ignore my request
[14:15] <Mirv> morphis_: ok :)
[16:15] <ev> ci`help is available the rest of today - I just wanted to get the channel topic change in before I forgot


[02:13] <Gulfstream> which version of LibreOffice will Ubuntu 11.04 have?
[02:14] <BUGabundo> !info libreoffice
[02:15] <Gulfstream> BUGabundo: I meant.... will Ubuntu 11.04's LibreOffice update to the next LibreOffice or will it stay the same like how OpenOffice.org did in previous versios of Ubuntu?
[02:15] <BUGabundo> no idea
[02:19] <BUGabundo> E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-i386_2.13~pre1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[02:19] <BUGabundo> this can't be good!
[02:20] <Patrickdk> it's that launchpad *bugfix* :)
[02:28] <Patrickdk> Company Profile
[02:28] <Patrickdk> Employees: 20
[02:28] <Patrickdk> Average Employee Income: Negative
[02:28] <Patrickdk> Benefits: Health plan, 401k, paid vacations
[02:28] <Patrickdk> oh opps, wrong chan :)
[02:31] <BUGabundo> there's a bug fix for you :P
[02:32] <BUGabundo> night
[02:40] <bp0> does unity work in vbox with guest extensions/3d support?
[02:40] <bp0> i cant get ubuntu natty to work in vbox with any session
[02:41] <bp0> classic or unity
[02:41] <bp0> just blank screen with wallpaper
[03:11] <lucent> ergh, Firefox4 is still bork
[03:11] <lucent> "open with application" will download, then open the application, but does not open the downloaded file
[03:12] <lucent> I think it's trying too quickly
[04:14] <aroman> hey guys, does anyone have any idea how to customize a text string in ubiquity for natty?
[04:15] <aroman> specifically I mean the "You may with to read the release notes" string
[05:40] <aboSamoor> Hi all, I installed 11.04 amd64 bit.  Maybe install was corrupted?
[07:21] <DreadKnight> but my wallpaper and when I press the shutdown button..
[07:21] <eagles0513875> Ohelig: thats possible or a botched upgrade
[07:21] <DreadKnight> Ohelig: tablet pc, no "unity 3d" support I guess
[07:22] <DreadKnight> and I can't log out of my user, which has autologin
[07:22] <eagles0513875> DreadKnight: you talking about the game engine unity 3d?
[07:22] <DreadKnight> eagles0513875: fail, Unity, the stuff Canonical made;
[07:22] <Ohelig> either way, I suggest you re-install the older version of ubuntu you were using
[07:22] <eagles0513875> i agree with Ohelig especially if you need a working stable system go 10.04
[07:23] <Ohelig> Can I assume that you made a backup of your files before upgrading to an OS in Alpha?
[07:23] <DreadKnight> I have a home partition
[07:23] <DreadKnight> everything is saved except installed stuff and such
[07:24] <DreadKnight> but *what* I need is a way to log out my current user and log into Unity2D
[07:24] <DreadKnight> because Unity2D should work fine
[07:25] <DreadKnight> or a way to make my user not autologin, provided I go into a terminal view and do that from the command line
[07:26] <DreadKnight> might as well switch to kde
[07:26] <rumpe1_> DreadKnight, well... maybe recovery-mode and edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:26] <DreadKnight> again
[07:26] <DreadKnight> yeah, was thinking getting rid of gdm and installing kdm
[07:26] <rumpe1_> or via lveMedium
[07:27] <DreadKnight> but I can't go into recovery-mode or any other lame mode because I'm getting autologged into a mode that is not fit at all for my machine and results in severe ultra fail
[07:27] <rumpe1_> boot, press shift *before* grub should come up, keep pressing... then grub and recovery mode should pop up
[07:28] <DreadKnight> right; I get the screen anyway because I'm dual booting
[07:28] <rumpe1_> ?
[07:29] <rumpe1_> you said you don't
[07:29] <DreadKnight> but still, not sure with what the recovery mode could help me with.. hmm
[07:29] <rumpe1_> DreadKnight, if you don't know this, maybe natty really isn't the best choice for you
[07:29] <DreadKnight> dual booting = grub showing up
[07:30] <rumpe1_> then use recovery mode
[07:30] <rumpe1_> and work in cli
[07:30] <rumpe1_> i hope you are familiar with it
[07:30] <DreadKnight> I can't think of anything that the recovery mode will help me fix
[07:30] <DreadKnight> I use cli a lot
[07:30] <rumpe1_> lol
[07:30] <rumpe1_> well... give it a try :)
[07:30] <DreadKnight> might take a peek, yeah
[07:31] <DreadKnight> but if natty does this crap for most user, it's bye bye ubuntu being number one
[07:31] <rumpe1_> you could edit gdm.conf, install kde, sustitute gdm with kdm ... whatever
[07:31] <rumpe1_> oh man
[07:31] <rumpe1_> it's not even beta :P
[07:31] <DreadKnight> yes, but I could as well hit ctrl+alt + f1 after I boot
[07:31] <DreadKnight> and log into CLI
[07:32] <rumpe1_> yeah
[07:32] <DreadKnight> I know it's not even beta, but still...
[07:32] <DreadKnight> :D
[07:32] <rumpe1_> ... buggy? :)
[07:32] <DreadKnight> it's not the first time a release would be having issues or regressions...
[07:32] <rumpe1_> that sentence wouldn't make any sense.... pre-beta=buggy as hell
[07:32] <rumpe1_> sure
[07:32] <DreadKnight> and I mean proper release
[07:33] <rumpe1_> like every other OS release
[07:33] <DreadKnight> is there an easy way to test out gnome3 in natty already?
[07:34] <rumpe1_> dont know
[07:34] <rumpe1_> i tried gnome shell in 10.10 ...
[07:35] <rumpe1_> guess thats the same (?)
[07:35] <DreadKnight> hmm
[07:35] <rumpe1_> but good idea... will try it next ^^
[07:36] <DreadKnight> anyway, this whole unity vs gnome-shell is a bit annoying
[07:36] <DreadKnight> and nokia making deals with microsoft... makes me wonder a bit about qt and kde..
[08:16] <Gulfstream> does the latest daily install without issue?
[09:58] <edgy> Hi, vlc: Media -> Open file, takes too long to bring dolphin dialog box, seems to be a kde issue, can someone confirm?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> anyone know if it is possible to add a custom launcher on the gnome panel(unity)
[10:00] <gnomefreak> edgy: sorry i havent installed kde yet. i have a few more things to work out in gnome before i start installing other DEs
[10:01] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, to the panel? I don't think so.
[10:02] <minotux> googleearth print "** is not gtk(2)" and then quit...., can anyone help?
[10:02] <Daekdroom> The biggest customizability you can do is change the panel color according to GTK+ theme and its opacity.
[10:02] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: there seems to be alot of limits on what you can do to panel, maybe gconf has some other options but that is a lot to look through
[10:03] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: how do i do that?
[10:03] <edgy> gnomefreak: np, thanks for your care anyway
[10:03] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, ccsm has some unity options
[10:03] <Daekdroom> They're listed under the Unity Ubuntu Plugin
[10:04] <Daekdroom> and the options are slowly growing
[10:04] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: is ccsm installed by default?
[10:04] <Daekdroom> iirc, no
[10:05] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: ok thanks. i thought ccsm was for compiz but ill look
[10:07] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, it is for compiz
[10:07] <Daekdroom> gnomefreak, if I hadn't read about the options it gives to unity, I wouldn't figure it out
[10:08] <gnomefreak> defswork: ah ok i thought it was strictly compiz, and i wasnt sure if unity was using compiz
[10:10] <dupondje> mmm
[10:10] <dupondje> new kernel upgrade seems to break display
[10:11] <gnomefreak> dupondje: maybe your problem is related to the link in the topic? i have no problems with display
[10:12] <dupondje> nope
[10:12] <dupondje> its since kernel update yesterday evening
[10:12] <dupondje> rebooting with older kernel works fine ..
[10:12] <gnomefreak> oh sorry
[10:12] <gnomefreak> nvidia card?
[10:12] <dupondje> ati
[10:13] <gnomefreak> me too
[10:13] <gnomefreak> sorry i dont know, i havent been keeping up to date with breaks for the last month or so
[10:14] <dupondje> hard to debug ofc without any visible char on the screen :P
[10:17] <gnomefreak> i agree
[10:24] <dupondje> nothing in the xorg logs :s
[10:30] <gnomefreak> dupondje: what is wrong with the disply? did you lose X altogether?
[10:31] <dupondje> I see everything starts correctly, as I see a purple glow :p
[10:31] <dupondje> but its 1 artifact ...
[10:31] <gnomefreak> dupondje: unity or classic gnome?
[10:32] <dupondje> classic
[10:32] <dupondje> but doesn't matter ?
[10:32] <dupondje> its already @ the login screen
[10:34] <gnomefreak> dupondje: well it can. like i was under the assumption that unity didnt use compiz
[10:34] <gnomefreak> oh it happens on login screeen?
[10:34] <dupondje> ye
[10:35] <dupondje> @ some stage it starts the vga driver I bet
[10:35] <dupondje> and then screen gets corrupted :)
[10:37] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm and you are usin the ait driver right not the flgrx(cant recall the exact name of it)
[10:38] <gnomefreak> sorry this is my firrst computer with amd and ati
[10:38] <gnomefreak> well i used ati back in breezy IIRC
[10:39] <dupondje> not the closed indeed
[10:39] <dupondje> but the ati driver :)
[10:39] <dupondje> mmm
[10:39] <dupondje> found it
[10:39] <dupondje> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9f4283f49f0a96a64c5a45fe56f0f8c942885eef
[10:40] <gnomefreak> its a bug in the kernel?
[10:40] <dupondje> ye
[10:41] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:41] <gnomefreak> thats odd because i use ati drivers and the pae kernel(also a first for me)
[10:41] <gnomefreak> odd as in im not seeing an issue
[10:42] <dupondje> but what ati card you have ?
[10:42] <gnomefreak> hd4200
[10:43] <gnomefreak> im guessing the "hd" part is high def. but i dont use high def only because i dont know how to set it up other than using a cable for it
[10:44] <gnomefreak> you know. ivve been around since brezzy dev cycle and there is still alot of things i never used :(
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ok ccsm now, or maybe gconf has settings for panel including removing some icons
[10:51] <dupondje> lets grab a daily :)
[11:02] <gnomefreak>  will ccsm allow me to enable some things. example rain or snow on desktop and enabling the cube?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> if not what would i use if i even can. this is for unity
[11:03] <gnomefreak> also is there a place i can find out some info on my proc
[11:40] <gnomefreak> sad news today. it seems we are dropping Mutter in Unity for Compiz
[12:12] <ior3k> so anyone knows what's in store for us non-unity-using users?
[12:12] <ior3k> all I need is xmonad and a vertical gnome-panel on the left side
[12:13] <ior3k> I assume gnome-panel will eventually be phased out, right?
[15:26] <lanoxx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=590793&page=36 <--- post #360, can anyone tell me if it is a known bug that it is necessary to add a udev rule for scanner devices?
[15:30] <gartral|cr48> I know this isn't really high priority, but i'd like too address the problems with the way powermanagment is done and see if there are ways too fix screen backlight control when the lid closes.
[15:39] <weboide> Can someone help me with LVM? I'm trying to do something simple but it keeps failing
[15:39] <weboide> I'm trying to see if that's bug or if it's just me.
[15:39] <gartral|cr48> I know this isn't really high priority, but i'd like too address the problems with the way powermanagment is done and see if there are ways too fix screen backlight control when the lid closes.
[15:41] <weboide> has someone already encountered "device-mapper: deps ioctl failed: No such device or address" ?
[15:52] <twager> Anyone using gnome3 ?
[15:54] <BUGabundo> no
[15:58] <twager> BUGabundo: I like it in Maverick and thought I might try it in Natty...Will give it a whirl
[15:59] <BUGabundo> should be in some PPA
[16:00] <twager> Synaptic shows it..
[19:14] <alex_mayorga> anyone using Google's 2 way verification and Empathy?
[19:17] <alex_mayorga> never mind
[19:44] <dupondje> ok :)
[19:44] <dupondje> daily kernel fixes ati issue
[19:44] <dupondje> good :D
[19:45] <coz_> cool
[19:45] <coz_> now if only nvidia were fixed :)
[19:47] <coz_> Ubuntu one  losing connection and restoring connetion  many times within a minute :(
[19:49] <dupondje> new kernel uploaded yesterday seems to break ATI :p so
[19:52] <yofel> coz_: just got that too here
[19:52] <coz_> yofel,  ooo good , at least I know its not just my system :)
[19:53] <coz_> yofel,  it is not consistent at least in terms  of "timing"
[19:54] <yofel> can't remember when it last happened here, but I haven't been using u1 for too long currently
[19:54] <penguin42> out of interest (not having updated) how exactly does it fail?
[19:55] <coz_> UbuntuOne?
[19:55] <penguin42> ati
[19:55] <coz_> oh sorry :)
[19:56] <yofel> well, at least glibc seems fixed :)
[19:56] <dupondje> penguin42: screen is corrupt
[19:56] <dupondje> nothing visible :(
[19:56] <penguin42> does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[19:56] <dupondje> nope
[19:57] <penguin42> hohum
[19:57] <dupondje> its a bug in kms
[19:57] <dupondje> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9f4283f49f0a96a64c5a45fe56f0f8c942885eef
[23:10] <BUGabundo> o/
[23:12] <BUGabundo> akgraner: around ?
[23:18] <hggdh> anyone having the indicator applet bellying up?
[23:18] <hggdh> (classical desktop)
[23:18] <Daekdroom> hggdh, bellying up?
[23:19] <bazhang> failing
[23:19] <Daekdroom> Yep. Mine is.
[23:19] <Daekdroom> But I managed to make it not crash
[23:19] <hggdh> Daekdroom: how?
[23:19] <Daekdroom> I kill all indicator- processes, then try to reload it
[23:19] <BUGabundo> hggdh: I had zeroconf applet
[23:19] <Daekdroom> It eventually works
[23:20] <hggdh> I can have the simple indicator-applet-session only. Initially I could restore the -complete, but no more
[23:20] <Daekdroom> I'm using the -complete
[23:20] <hggdh> BUGabundo: zeroconf?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> avihi
[23:20] <hggdh> Daekdroom: I *was*
[23:21] <hggdh> BUGabundo: I am lost. What does avihi have to do with indicator-applet?
[23:21]  * hggdh keeps on being ignorant of desktops...
[23:22] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:22] <BUGabundo> you said you have probs with one applet
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I replied saying ONE of my applets was having probs too
[23:23] <Daekdroom> I don't know who to blame
[23:23] <BUGabundo> in my case zeroconf applet
[23:23] <Daekdroom> I'm using liferea, xchat, pidgin, indicator-weather and gm-notify
[23:23] <Daekdroom> But as of right now, all of them are running and so is indicator-applet-complete
[23:28] <hggdh> I hope they keep on...
[23:46] <weboide> Hey guys, does anybody why php5-fpm isn't in natty? it's not in the FTBFS list at least..
[23:47] <bazhang> !find php5
[23:48] <weboide> bazhang: I checked packages.ubuntu.com already, it does not show up.. :(
[23:49] <yofel> it indeed isn't there, might have been removed for some reason, a quick search didn't find a removal request though
[23:49] <bazhang> its been removed
[23:49] <weboide> and it seems to have a trace of having a package in natty in launchpad
[23:49] <bazhang> it was there in maverick however
[23:50] <weboide> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/php5-fpm
[23:50] <yofel> ah wait, the source is php5
[23:51] <weboide> ah probably hasn't build yet?
[23:53] <weboide> it has been superseded by 5.3.3-7ubuntu1, but I guess this does not contain php5-fpm
[23:53] <yofel> from php5 (5.3.3-2) unstable; urgency=low:
[23:53] <yofel>   * Don't build FPM SAPI now
[23:53] <yofel> maybe they dropped it there
[23:53] <yofel> weboide: here's the full changelog https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/5.3.3-7ubuntu1
[23:54] <weboide> thanks yofel, that might be why..
[23:56]  * yofel checks packaging VCS
[23:57] <weboide> yofel: I'll have to wait 5.3.5-1
[23:57] <weboide> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/current/changelog
[23:57] <yofel> ah
[23:58] <weboide> I don't know what the heck happened...


[02:40] <mup> PR snapd#9027 opened: tests: refresh/revert snapd in uc20 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9027>
[05:47] <mborzecki> morning
[06:24] <mborzecki> heh, looks our spread images don't have moreutils by default
[06:44] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[06:45] <mborzecki> mvo: snap downloads don't work
[06:46] <jamesh> is there any way to get ubuntu-image to include a system-user assertion in the resulting image?
[06:46] <mvo> mborzecki: wut?
[06:46] <mvo> mborzecki: what exactly is broken?
[06:47] <mvo> mborzecki: store again?
[06:48] <mborzecki> mvo: yes, the status page lists the search api and downlaods as down
[06:48] <mvo> :/
[06:48] <mvo> ok
[06:48] <mborzecki> mvo: and they do appear down
[06:56] <mup> PR snapd#9015 closed: cmd/snap-preseed: handle relative chroot path <Bug> <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9015>
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning
[07:02] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:16] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:01] <mup> PR snapd#9028 opened: interfaces: new helpers to get and compare system key, for use with seeding debug api (1/N) <Needs Samuele review> <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9028>
[08:10] <pedronis> pstolowski: small remarks there
[08:10] <pstolowski> ty
[08:46] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[08:59] <jamesh> pedronis: I had a chat with wgrant earlier today.  His main concerns about the theme API was that it was specific to the theme use case rather than being something more generic.
[09:01] <mborzecki> re
[09:16] <zyga> hello
[09:18] <mvo> zyga: hey, how are you today?
[09:18] <zyga> mvo hey
[09:19] <zyga> mvo, like shit in the human centipede, I think
[09:19] <zyga> not well at all
[09:20] <zyga> mvo, tired
[09:20] <mvo> zyga: :( oh no
[09:22] <zyga> yesterday was incredibly painful, sleeping a little here and there and otherwise just trying to find a position with least pain
[09:22] <zyga> today morning was similar but it's somewhat better now so I grabbed the laptop
[09:22] <zyga> I will try to push forward with PRs
[09:23] <mvo> zyga: thanks! and good luck that the meds help a bit more
[09:23] <zyga> 28th is the day
[09:23] <zyga> not that far away now
[09:30] <jamesh> xnox: fyi, you should now be able to build core20 using "snapcraft --use-lxd" for edge Snapcraft
[09:30] <jamesh> might be useful to you
[09:40] <pedronis> jamesh: thanks, let's discuss next week, what it means if anything
[09:52] <pedronis> zyga: hi, do you remember why in the system-key we list only the top directories in /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features, for some directories, it makes sense like file or ptrace, the level below has a lot detail that isn't that variable, but something like the policy dir has versions which has supported ABIs I think, so there "policy" alone is not very informative/significative
[09:55] <zyga> let me think
[09:55] <zyga> I don't recall why we did this - thinking about it now perhaps because the combinations that actually exists are limited but that's a stretch
[09:56] <zyga> offtopic: I get a change to vendor.json after get-deps.sh
[09:56] <zyga> -                       "checksumSHA1": "UUnaKjQAEIclOm5Aqe2VmrMiQJY=",
[09:56] <zyga> +                       "checksumSHA1": "jK98PjsZS3gPOZfc+pqIQaz6r1A=",
[09:56] <zyga> that's secboot
[09:56] <zyga> is that known?
[09:57] <pedronis> yes, but I have different diff there
[09:57] <pedronis> have you got the latest of both masters?
[09:58] <pedronis> my diff is like this:
[09:58] <pedronis> -                       "checksumSHA1": "fqejS2llZXw3gLnOYhg7pcSlY+Q=",
[09:58] <pedronis> +                       "checksumSHA1": "Yfj2ZrgRrklXrshCM1RxH5pvUY8="
[10:04] <zyga> re, sorry I was taking meds
[10:05] <zyga> I have latest master, I just pulled
[10:05] <zyga> as for both masters, I don't have secboot checked out separately
[10:06] <zyga> weird
[10:07] <mup> PR snapd#9029 opened: api: seeding debug api (2/N) <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9029>
[10:21] <mborzecki> again quick errand, back in 30
[10:22] <mup> PR snapd#9030 opened: bootloader/assets: helpers for registering per-edition snippets, register snippets for grub <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9030>
[10:37] <mup> PR snapd#9022 closed: usersession/userd: do not modify XDG_DATA_DIRS when calling xdg-open <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9022>
[10:54] <zyga> hmm, we don't have a debian 10 image?
[11:03] <mborzecki> re
[11:03] <mborzecki> zyga: but we have sid :P
[11:03] <mborzecki> and oldstable :/
[11:04] <zyga> mborzecki we actually have 10
[11:04] <zyga> it's just not used
[11:04] <zyga> anyway, I have what I needed
[11:07] <xnox> jamesh:  horay!
[11:09] <jamesh> xnox: this is the relevant change: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3218 -- Snapcraft will now enable security.syscalls.intercept.mknod on the container if there is kernel support, which allows the few mknod calls to succeed.
[11:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#3218: lxd: enable security.syscalls.intercept.mknod if supported to allow snaps to create some device nodes <bug> <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3218>
[11:20] <zyga> we should get the new leap image
[11:31] <mborzecki> zyga: 15.2?
[11:31] <zyga> new leap version, yeah
[11:32] <zyga> we seem to have the image? (not sure if cachio made this ahead of time or if we are inheriting one somehow)
[11:38] <ijohnson> morning folks
[11:39] <zyga> hello Ian
[11:40] <ijohnson> hey zyga
[11:45] <zyga> curious, even leap 15.2 has relatively old systemd
[11:45] <zyga> 234
[11:52] <zyga> mborzecki took a while but I updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8977 - not much change but I think it's ready for another look
[11:52] <mup> PR #8977: cmd/snap: track started apps and hooks <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8977>
[11:52] <mborzecki> zyga: k, will take a look
[11:52] <zyga> thanks!
[12:03]  * zyga afk for 10 minutes
[12:15] <ijohnson> I have now officially hit the same problem as popey, where I have too many snaps installed and no longer get refreshes :-/
[12:15] <ijohnson> pedronis: did the bulk refresh stuff you worked on already land in edge ?
[12:15] <pedronis> ijohnson: no, it's blocked on the store fixing perf issues
[12:16] <ijohnson> ah ok
[12:16]  * ijohnson snap removes many things in the meantime
[12:16] <popey> I worked around this by wiping my laptop
[12:16] <popey> I now only have 68 snaps
[12:17] <ijohnson> I just realized I had 98 snaps this morning
[12:17] <popey> I had 300 at one point
[12:17] <ijohnson> oh wow that's impressive you could even get to that point :-D
[12:17] <popey> Not wishing to brag :)
[12:17] <popey> Ikr
[12:17] <popey> Also 2x all of them
[12:19] <ijohnson> ah right, also I have 207 .snap files in my /var/lib/snapd/snaps
[12:19] <ijohnson> although also I did manually set snapd to keep 5 revisions
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#9031 opened: interfaces/audio-playback: let pulseaudio own org.pulseaudio.Server <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9031>
[12:42] <mup> PR snapd#9032 opened: secboot: add call to reseal an existing key <UC20> <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9032>
[13:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3220 closed: review tools: link or copy snap to snap common <bug> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3220>
[13:07] <mup> PR snapd#9033 opened: osutil, many: add helper for checking whether the process is a go test binary  <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9033>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#9034 opened: cmd/snap-seccomp/syscalls: add faccessat2 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9034>
[13:46] <zyga> mborzecki, so about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8977
[13:46] <mup> PR #8977: cmd/snap: track started apps and hooks <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8977>
[13:46] <zyga> mborzecki apart from failures in master I think it looks good
[13:46] <zyga> I played with it it some more and ran some more tests in a loop to be sure
[13:48] <zyga> btw, who is looking at the seccomp test failure?
[13:56] <mborzecki> zyga: #9034
[13:56] <mup> PR #9034: cmd/snap-seccomp/syscalls: add faccessat2 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9034>
[13:57] <zyga> ah, thanks!
[13:58] <zyga> merge it already :)
[14:02] <zyga> hmm, interfaces-pulseaudio is failing
[14:14]  * zyga lunch
[14:54] <cachio> zyga, could you please take a look to #8973
[14:54] <mup> PR #8973: tests: moving journalctl.sh to a new journal-state tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8973>
[14:55] <zyga> sure
[14:55] <cachio> zyga, and this #8903
[14:55] <mup> PR #8903: tests: new core config helper <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8903>
[14:55] <cachio> zyga, thanks a lot
[14:55] <zyga> sure, one it
[14:55] <zyga> on it*
[14:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#3221 opened: repo: install requested build-package versions <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3221>
[15:02] <zyga> cachio first done, please look
[15:03] <zyga> +1 assuming the two comments are adjusted
[15:04] <zyga> uh, one hour till next pill
[15:04] <zyga> I hate this time
[15:10] <zyga> afk for a while
[15:56] <ijohnson> mvo: looks like https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9024 is ready, the only failed tests look like store failures
[15:56] <mup> PR #9024: sysconfig/cloudinit: add RestrictCloudInit <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9024>
[16:03] <mup> PR snapd#9035 opened: o/devicestate: save seeding/preseeding times for use with debug seeding api (3/N) <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9035>
[16:50] <ijohnson> mvo: if you're still around, if you could close and re-open #9026, I added the "Run nested" label, so all the nested spread tests in that PR will actually run so we should be able to see those pass in Github which would be cool
[16:50] <mup> PR #9026: tests/nested/manual: add spread tests for cloud-init vuln <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9026>
[16:52] <ijohnson> cachio: if you have time could you take a look at the nested spread tests in #9026 ?
[16:52] <mup> PR #9026: tests/nested/manual: add spread tests for cloud-init vuln <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9026>
[16:53] <mup> PR snapd#9036 opened: snapshots: import of a snapshot set <Created by slimjim777> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9036>
[17:03] <zyga> mvo https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9037
[17:03] <mup> PR #9037: tests: adjust xdg-open after launcher changes <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9037>
[17:04] <mup> PR snapd#9037 opened: tests: adjust xdg-open after launcher changes <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9037>
[17:04] <zyga> brb
[17:08] <pedronis> we have 80 open pull requests
[17:08] <pedronis> there's some practical reasons for that, but we'll probably need to go back to mostly reviewing soon
[17:08] <zyga> pedronis ^ that one is easy and fixes (partially) master
[17:20] <ijohnson> zyga: approved your xdg-open PR
[17:20] <zyga> thanks :)
[17:21] <zyga> this will need force-merge or merge into the other fix branch from maciek
[17:21] <zyga> (for seccomp)
[17:22] <ijohnson> zyga: ah right, yeah I added critical label to the other one and will check in on that to merge
[17:22] <ijohnson> ah but wait that one will also break on xdg-open too
[17:22] <zyga> ack
[17:22] <ijohnson> and there goes mvo with sudo git merge powers
[17:26] <zyga> vader: noooooo
[18:09] <cachio> ijohnson, hey, if you have time could you please take a look to #8903?
[18:09] <mup> PR #8903: tests: new core config helper <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8903>
[18:09] <ijohnson> cachio: sure, did you see my ping about the nested cloud-init PR?
[18:20] <cachio> ijohnson, no
[18:20] <cachio> checking now
[18:20] <ijohnson> thanks
[18:20] <ijohnson> those tests were what we landed for the cloud-init CVE
[18:55] <cachio> ijohnson, I'll need to change how we run the nested tests because we are creating many nested/manual tests
[18:56] <ijohnson> cachio: yes that PR adds 8 more nested tests
[18:56] <ijohnson> cachio: is it a workers issue ?
[18:56] <cachio> yes
[18:56] <cachio> I'll split the nightly suite in 2 jobs
[18:56] <cachio> 1 for nightly
[18:56] <cachio> and 1 nested
[18:57] <cachio> and perhaps 1 manual
[18:57] <ijohnson> ok, makes sense
[18:57] <cachio> also because those use different spread params
[18:57] <cachio> spread env vars
[18:58] <cachio> you are taking the #9026 when mvo is on vacations?
[18:58] <mup> PR #9026: tests/nested/manual: add spread tests for cloud-init vuln <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9026>
[18:59] <ijohnson> cachio: I'd prefer if we could land 9026 as-is first if that's okay with you and then yes I will work on any follow-ups needed
[19:00] <ijohnson> it would be good to make sure that master gets the fix for the CVE asap, in case there are devices that are only following edge, they will not get the fix yet since the fix is only on stable
[19:00] <ijohnson> granted that's a very small number of devices I think, but still
[19:00] <cachio> ijohnson, ok, I think the only important is to avoind installing/removing genisoimage
[19:00] <cachio> this could break the following tests
[19:00] <ijohnson> cachio: sure I think I can push a change, what's the issue with genisoimage ?
[19:00] <ijohnson> ah is that package already installed ?
[19:00] <cachio> yes
[19:01] <cachio> we do that inthe spread.yaml
[19:01] <cachio> while the suite is preapred
[19:01] <ijohnson> cachio: let me push up a change for that then to mvo's pr
[19:01] <cachio> ijohnson,  then there are some other cosmetic stuff that can wait
[19:02] <ijohnson> ok
[19:04] <ijohnson> cachio: pushed up a change to not install/remove genisoimage
[19:05] <cachio> ijohnson, thanks
[19:05] <cachio> let me check a bit more and I'll approve it
[19:09] <ijohnson> cachio: I'd like to close and re-open 9026 actually, so that we can have the nested spread runs run too, do you know if it works to add the label to the pr after it is opened ? I seem to recall it doesn't work to add the label afterwards
[19:09] <ijohnson> but I also don't know if I can re-open the PR if I close it since mvo is the one who opened it
[19:09] <ijohnson> I suppose I could re-open it with a new PR number myself
[19:10] <cachio> ijohnson, I can also run the tests here and paste hte result
[19:10] <ijohnson> okay that works too
[19:50] <cachio> ijohnson, +1
[19:50] <cachio> attached all the logs
[19:54] <ijohnson> Thanks cachio
[19:54] <cachio> ijohnson, yaw
[20:30] <mup> PR snapd#8903 closed: tests: new core config helper <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8903>
[20:40]  * sdhd-sascha damn, just going backing back to SuSE... But the Kubic Distro didn't work with Rancher.... Hmm... (Then i look for an channel to talk... couldn't find some...
[20:41] <sdhd-sascha> I wonder, what is really "open"source...
[20:51] <sdhd-sascha> ohOh, i talk ....


[14:44] <ogra_> xnox, did you say pxz was already merged from debian or do i need to take care for getting it in (FFe etc)
[14:45] <xnox> ogra_: busybox needs merging, pxz is fine on it's own.
[14:45] <ogra_> but we dont have the fixes yet, do we ?
[14:45] <xnox> the fix is in the busybox package for it to gain support for pxz compressed streams.
[14:45] <xnox> the pxz that we have is fine and compliant. the bug is in busybox.
[14:46] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:46] <xnox> it was on my todo list to do soonish (busybox merge)
[14:46] <ogra_> great, thx
[16:47]  * XorA waits on chromebook
[17:36] <xnox> ogra_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/busybox/1:1.20.0-8ubuntu1 I am expecting it to be stuck in the beta1 freeze, so tomorrow it should hit raring.
[18:23] <ogra_> xnox, no hurry ... thanks so much !
[18:40] <mjrosenb_> https://gist.github.com/5154896
[18:40] <mjrosenb_> uh-oh.
[20:09] <sbaugh> Any suggestions on a good wm/de for the Nexus 7? I'm trying to use it as a netbook, and it works fine when I have the keyboard around on a tiling wm, but not so great when I don't have it. If only GNOME 3 worked...
[21:31] <xnox> sbaugh: i use it with a small wireless mouse and touch keyboard just fine.
[21:31] <xnox> sbaugh: but yeah, you'd unfortunately want tiling window managers to be effective with it.
[21:31] <sbaugh> xnox: Unity, you mean?
[21:31] <xnox> yes.
[21:32] <sbaugh> yeah I'm using xmonad right now and it's really a joy but obviously has no touch support
[21:33] <sbaugh> i'm waffling between using some floating window manager and just adapting xmonad... it has gesture support you know


[02:02] <stlsaint> o/
[03:41] <Unit193> stlsaint: Heh, howdy again.
[03:55] <stlsaint> Unit193: o/
[18:01] <thafreak> ugh...finally getting second old machine up for my younger daughter
[18:01] <thafreak> i freaking hate compiz...
[18:01] <thafreak> basically, plain ubuntu, not gonna work
[18:02] <thafreak> Anyone have one of the newer super low end nvidia cards, like a gt 210 or 610
[18:02] <thafreak> and know if it works well for basic 2d stuff?
[18:03] <thafreak> Or I'll just say screw it, and give xubuntu a go on it instead...
[19:02] <skellat> gilbert Any nominations floating around that I didn't catch from the mailing list?
[19:10] <jrgifford> i think it's just one, right now.
[19:10] <jrgifford> yours, right?
[19:18] <gilbert> skellat: just yours
[19:18] <gilbert> will send a mail in a bit
[19:26] <skellat> :-(
[19:26] <gilbert> yeah, i suppose its an "interesting" situation
[19:27] <gilbert> seems like a top priority for the group is going to need to be attracting participants
[19:27] <gilbert> which can later become leaders
[19:30] <skellat> I'd say at this point that since there were less nominations than seats, the election failed.  The council would just go away leaving gilbert as Point of Contact.
[19:31] <gilbert> don't agree
[19:31] <skellat> Okay
[19:31] <skellat> gilbert: How do you wish to proceed?
[19:32] <gilbert> having new people take leadership roles is important
[19:47] <Cheri703> I think we could have a "yes/no" vote on "do you want skellat to take one of the empty seats?"
[19:47] <Cheri703> it doesn't have to be a choice between multiple people necessarily
[19:48] <Cheri703> and perhaps you could do something like "ok, q2, <person> is going to be the go-to point person on anything that gilbert and skellat need help with" "q3 will be <other person>" it'd give a chance for folks to take on a bit more responsibility without feeling like "omg commitment!"
[20:26] <jrgifford> congrats skellat
[20:29] <Unit193> skellat: Congrats.
[20:29] <Unit193> gilbert: Sorry to see you go as well. :/
[20:30] <gilbert> Unit193: thanks :)
[20:30] <gilbert> Unit193: i'll still be in irc for the forceable future
[20:33] <jrgifford> gilbert, while i am sorry to see you leave, i understand.
[20:33] <gilbert> thanks jrgifford
[20:33] <jrgifford> i've been thinking on similar lines, but ubuntu is still the OS of choice for me.
[20:34] <Cheri703> so I guess this makes skellat gadfaw
[20:34] <Cheri703> group appointed dictator for a while
[20:34] <gilbert> gadfaw?
[20:34] <gilbert> haha, yes indeed
[20:34] <Cheri703> vs sabdfl
[20:35] <gilbert> jrgifford: debian is quite nice :)
[20:35] <skellat> As was said often on "Quantum Leap": "Oooooooooohhhh boy..."
[20:35] <gilbert> plus there are me and paultag as DDs :)
[20:35] <Cheri703> I am liking xubuntu
[20:35] <jrgifford> gilbert, yeah, i know.
[20:35] <Unit193> jrgifford: That's why it doesn't hit me nearly as much, Xubuntu is very community based.
[20:35] <Cheri703> it's free of at least some of the overreaching changes, has a bit of autonomy, and so far is working pretty nicely for my setup :)
[20:36] <paultag> \o/
[20:36] <skellat> Ubuntu Ohio to me includes all the flavors too
[20:36] <Unit193> It'd kind of have to.
[20:36] <jrgifford> i really like the polish of unity. argue about it all you want, it fits my workflow. although, i am starting to enjoy crunchbang. ;P
[20:36] <skellat> After all, I've got Xubuntu and Lubuntu running at home yet no machine has a graphics card capable of coping with Unity
[20:36] <Cheri703> jrgifford: it worked for me until I got bigger monitors :) the bar on the far left was just too far away
[20:36] <paultag> Debian's my first and only real love
[20:37] <Unit193> Last Ubuntu was 6.10.
[20:37] <paultag> sure that fling with Ubuntu was fun
[20:37] <paultag> but Debian. That's where I need to be :)
[20:37] <gilbert> haha, paultag had a "fling" :)
[20:37] <paultag> :>
[20:37] <Unit193> Xfce4 in debian isn't as up to date, sadly.
[20:37] <jrgifford> Cheri703, see, i am really a laptop guy. don't have multiple monitors, for the most part
[20:37] <paultag> Unit193: sounds like you found a way to contribute!
[20:37] <skellat> Do we need to talk about my adventures in openSUSE?
[20:37] <paultag> Unit193: also; did you check exerpiemental?
[20:37] <Cheri703> ah, yeah, on a laptop it'd be fine. :)
[20:38] <Unit193> paultag: I think it may be in there.
[20:38] <Cheri703> I have 2 24" 16:10 now
[20:41] <gilbert> Unit193: xfce is 4.10 in experimental, which is what i use. i like to live dangerously ;)
[20:51] <gilbert> Unit193: plus wheezy will be releasy real soon now, and you'll be able to get your latest and greatest fix in jessie or sid again
[20:51] <jrgifford> is jessie whats next?
[20:52] <gilbert> jrgifford: yep
[20:52] <jrgifford> cool
[20:56] <gilbert> i will readily admit that debian freezes are annoying
[20:57] <paultag> they are now that they're so long
[21:03] <gilbert> even when they were 6 months they were annoying
[21:03] <skellat><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:11] <gilbert> skellat: i just gave you voice status, hopefully that persists
[21:11] <jrgifford> stirring speak from our gadfaw!
[21:12] <jrgifford> er, email. ;P
[21:13] <jrgifford> man, it's that time of year again. check all my ISOs, delete most of them, and spend more bandwidth downloading more. ;P
[23:31] <Cheri703> hehe http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/04/07/do-not-disturb-pic/
[23:45] <canthus13> well... *this* is scary.
[23:52] <Cheri703> ?
[23:52] <canthus13> Ehh.. forgot to paste. :)
[23:52] <canthus13> http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste
[23:52] <dzho> heh
[23:52] <Cheri703> I was like, "well THAT is scary"
[23:53] <canthus13> Heh.
[23:53] <dzho> oh, yeah.  that.
[23:53] <dzho> View -> Page View ... No Style
[23:53] <dzho> or, view source
[23:53] <dzho> or, copy it and paste it into a text file, first.
[23:57]  * canthus13 nods.
[23:57] <canthus13> most people will blindly copypasta, though.
[23:58] <dzho> how sad for them


[00:13] <SpamapS> wishlist: eval `relation-get --format sh`
[00:40] <bcsaller> SpamapS: file a bug for it, simple to add later
[00:55] <kapil> niemeyer_away, i'm wondering about the security implications of giving a root shell to an ubuntu user, and circumventing sudo access.. it seems preferrable to use sudo as security requirement vs. handing out a root shell..
[18:06] <jimbaker> bcsaller, kapil - standup?
[18:06] <kapil> jimbaker, sounds good
[18:07] <kapil> bcsaller, jimbaker skype?
[18:07] <jimbaker> looks like we are all on skype now
[18:08] <bcsaller> sorry, was getting tea, back now
[18:10] <jimbaker> funny, the recent security updates fix all of the ui programs currently running on my laptop except for xchat (emacs, firefox, skype...)
[18:24] <jimbaker> spring time in colorado is pretty nice - fresh snow in the mountains, birds singing in the trees here. really puts the sound of music into me ;)
[18:35] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-hook-scope-guard r203 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:35] <_mup_> use mocker order to ensure correct activation sequence of screen multiuser mode.
[18:40] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-hook-scope-guard r204 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:40] <_mup_> wire in screen debug session into unit agent debug flag watch.
[18:52] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-hook-scope-guard r205 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:52] <_mup_> wire in waiting into the admin cli side of debug-hooks
[20:05] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-hook-scope-guard r206 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:05] <_mup_> ssh debugging remotely.. about to reverse since it requires suid root on screen...
[20:07] <_mup_> ensemble/debug-hook-scope-guard r207 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:07] <_mup_> revert changes back to previous implementation.


[09:55] <daftykins> :D
[09:56] <daftykins> dental practice #2 has an ADSL2 -> VDSL2 switch today, their ISP could only tell me that it would occur between 8 and 5 - like a bad courier
[12:02] <zxmpi> they sound very organised
[12:03] <daftykins> they're Jersey Telecoms so they're not allowed to touch the equipment of our encumbent telco, "Sure" :D i imagine they get given a wide estimate due to that
[12:03] <daftykins> *incumbent
[13:43] <zxmpi> it's gotta be good to be a monopoly
[13:44] <daftykins> there we go, the switch just happened right slap bang in the middle of their lunch hour, as requested!
[13:44] <daftykins> no having to call in / go up there \o/
[13:45] <zxmpi> someone on ebay about to make the winning bid on a space 1999 eagle airfix kit now has a new reason to hate :-P
[13:45] <daftykins> ooh did you snipe?
[13:46] <zxmpi> no, the person in the office watching at their desk about to snipe when the net went down for a few seconds
[13:46] <daftykins> ah xD
[13:46] <zxmpi> it's a supervillian origin story :-D
[13:47] <daftykins> cor i wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that one...
[13:48] <zxmpi> doctor incommunicado! fear his powers
[13:49] <zxmpi> the patron villian of ms outlook
[13:59] <daftykins> death by a thousand corrupted PSTs!
[14:00] <zxmpi> misdirecter of all requests for time off to hr