[15:09] <Jampiter> Ok rebooting now
[15:11] <Jampiter> It's booting now :D
[15:11]  * Jampiter is surprised at the quickness of booting!
[15:13] <Jampiter> Hmm... slider still only goes up to 800x600
[15:14] <favro> Jampiter: what does /etc/X11/xorg.conf look like now?
[15:15] <favro> !paste | Jampiter
[15:15] <Jampiter> Hang on a sec - the internet's broke on it
[15:16] <favro> Jampiter: it is an old card - can it go above 800x600?
[15:16] <Jampiter> It could with Damn Small Linux
[15:16] <favro> ok
[15:16] <Jampiter> It went higher than my moniter could :p
[15:17] <favro> hehe
[15:17] <wolf_> no one can help why simple-ccsm doenst start?=
[15:17] <favro> wolf_: tried the full ccsm? - I haven't used simple-ccsm
[15:18] <wolf_> favro: simple-ccsm doenst start because it cant find a "glade" module, i only want to implent emerald as window decorator
[15:19] <favro> wolf_: try alt+F2 then type   emerald --replace
[15:22] <favro> Jampiter: "<Jampiter> Hang on a sec - the internet's broke on it" - how did you get the new kernel?
[15:22] <Jampiter> It only broke after I restarted
[15:22] <Jampiter> It's a rather sketchy wireless network
[15:22] <favro> k :)
[15:23]  * Jampiter goes to the wireless box and turns it off and on again - brb
[15:23] <wolf_> favro: ok works, but how to change the skin or theme of emerald., i isnatlled the emerald package and i have only this config tool, but i cant apply, why have i to apply with a terminal ?
[15:24] <favro> wolf_: emerald comes with a theme manager - should be in your menu
[15:25] <wolf_> favro: ok when i change in the theme manager somehting it works only when i first type emerald -- replace
[15:25] <Gekone> Hi all.
[15:26] <Gekone> I've try to stop kde4, but i've an error: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/IrcLineeGuida
[15:26] <Gekone> can i do?
[15:26] <favro> wolf_: try double clicking the theme in emerald theme manager
[15:26] <wolf_> favro ok works thx
[15:26] <favro> :)
[15:27] <wolf_> favro but why does simple-ccsm not satart?
[15:28] <favro> wolf_: I don't know about glade and kde together...
[15:29] <favro> wolf_: there might be kde/compiz guides on the net
[15:31] <Gekone> i've must stop kde4 for installer nvidia's driver
[15:33] <Gekone> bye bye
[15:34] <wolf_>   File "/usr/bin/simple-ccsm", line 28, in <module>
[15:34] <wolf_>     import gtk.glade as glade
[15:34] <wolf_> ImportError: No module named glade
[15:35] <wolf_> it seems to be a kde bug simple-ccsm doesnt find glade
[15:35] <wolf_> i only use default repositories
[15:35] <wolf_> just installed ccsm
[15:36] <favro> wolf_: it is a better option :)
[15:36] <wolf_> favro: waht? asking in irc?
[15:37] <Jampiter_> Argh now my wireless LAN isn't working
[15:37] <favro> no ccsm vs simple-ccsm
[15:37] <emiliafaneite> hello
[15:38] <sfi> Hi
[15:38]  * Jampiter_ gives up for now
[15:38] <Jampiter_> Thanks for your help
[15:38] <favro> Jampiter: might be your router
[15:40] <denis> !de
[15:40] <denis> retour
[15:42] <favro> denis: type  /j #kubuntu-de
[15:42] <ghostcube> :D
[15:42] <denis> retour is not German ;-)
[15:43] <denis> I am already there, thank you
[15:43] <favro> k
[15:47] <starenka> !hi
[15:48] <starenka> any clues how to list available wireless' in konsole?
[15:48] <favro> ifconfig
[15:48] <starenka> it shows cards not hotspots, right?
[15:48] <wolf_> favro: ok works now i had to install python-glade2, but should be a bug that it is not a dependencie of ccsm
[15:51] <favro> starenka: yeh - it shows cards
[15:52]  * Dr_willis is back from the Dentist. :B)
[15:55] <starenka> favro: iwlist ;)
[15:55] <favro> ahhh
[16:03] <starenka> can i grep "more terms" (without regexp)? f.e  cat asdsadsad | grep apple  milk  coconut
[16:03] <Artful> I want to know if it's just me who has this problem.  the columns in adept do not sort when u click the column bar
[16:04] <Dr_willis> starenka,  you mean 'apple or milk' or 'apple AND milk' ?
[16:04] <starenka> or
[16:05] <starenka> but you can also hint me the and thing
[16:05] <starenka> well i can do it with regexp, but just wanna know more simple solution
[16:06] <Dr_willis> it would be a rather simple regrexp i thought.   not sure i rember it however.. :)
[16:06] <Dr_willis> [apple|milk] ?
[16:06] <starenka> yep, but dunno how it handles new lines, etc
[16:06] <starenka> gonna read man, then
[16:06] <starenka> so i cant grep it without regexp?
[16:06] <Dr_willis> grep dosent handle newlines.. its reads each line.. prints outones that matches a pattern
[16:06] <starenka> kool
[16:07] <Dr_willis> i belive thats what my 'using grep book' said. ;)
[16:07] <starenka> Dr_willis: thanx
[16:07] <Dr_willis> some tools you just have to mess with to learn how they work
[16:07] <Denise> how u can know so many things
[16:07] <Dr_willis> regrexps is one of those things thats worth LEARNING.
[16:07] <Dr_willis> read, read, read, read.... and reread
[16:07] <Dr_willis> "_
[16:07] <sebastian_> how do i install a Deb package? i tried to press it but then the ark starts and nothing shows, and i tried to open in with the terminal and i tried with sudo and all, but it dont work. so how do i install it?
[16:07] <Dr_willis> I got a whole shelf full of the Orieally books on linux topics.
[16:08] <Dr_willis> 'buy old/clearance/used linux books.. put bookshelf in basement bathroom. eat lots of fiber... read'
[16:08] <Denise> yes but u need experience too
[16:08] <Dr_willis> With out the reading.. you aint goign to get much experience.
[16:08] <Denise> yes
[16:08] <Denise> I know
[16:08] <Dr_willis> and you read.. so you rember where to look when you do need to go back to look somthing up.
[16:09] <luiz> Alguem do brasil por aqui ?
[16:09] <arty_> hi all can someone help  I have Wine and I need install photoshop CS3 but dont work if I click on setup.exe there is loading in wine butnothing happend
[16:09] <sebastian_> it works now :)
[16:09] <Dr_willis> I got the "Orealy USing reg. expressions' book somewhere in here. :)
[16:09] <arty_> sebastian_: how
[16:09] <Denise> Orealy?
[16:09] <Fieldy> arty_: unfortunately cs3 isn't known to work well, or at all, in wine, as their appdb page says (last i checked anyway)
[16:09] <Dr_willis> O'Riealy or whatever its spelt
[16:09] <Denise> ok
[16:10] <arty_> Fieldy: so there dont work :(
[16:10] <Denise> so u are a champion of linux
[16:10] <Fieldy> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6584 is the page
[16:10] <Dr_willis> I just read a lot.
[16:10] <arty_> Fieldy: thx
[16:10] <Denise> do you know windows as well?
[16:10] <Dr_willis> It pays to check out the  Bargin Bins at the books tores
[16:10] <Denise> hum
[16:11] <Denise> good to know
[16:11] <Dr_willis> whats to 'know' well about windows.. :) where they hid this setting or that,, or how to work around this or that annoyance.
[16:11] <Dr_willis> I Learned more about computers and networking and stuff by learning linux.. then i EVER would learn by using windows
[16:11] <Fieldy> arty_: i fought with that for a long time and ended up installing XP in virtualbox. didn't have a choice really. wish i had better news.
[16:11] <boggystudios> After installing the official nvidia kernal module the scroll feature on the side of my track pad doesn't work any more.  What controlls that?
[16:12] <Denise> so i do good to want to learn about linux
[16:12] <starenka> Dr_willis: i know how to handle regexps... ;)  imo [apple|milk] is bad... i'd ratehr use egrep "apple|milk"
[16:12] <arty_> Fieldy: so the best way is instal xp on vmware and work there?
[16:12] <Dr_willis> I tend to use perl.  some programs may need the [] in there   i forget the details.
[16:13] <Dr_willis> I just rember that some programs have different regrexp flavors. :P
[16:13] <starenka> Dr_willis: [ in general means mean class = any of these charaxcters - so no use when using word or word, am i right ? :)
[16:14] <Dr_willis> starenka,  id have to try it and see.  I just rember the  [a|b] examples
[16:14] <arty_> I have vmwre but in windows if which I have install there I cant have 1280x800 they said som x11 can support
[16:14] <starenka> Dr_willis: [a|b] will show only expression having a or b in
[16:15] <starenka> Dr_willis: more precisely, only "a" or "b"
[16:15] <Dr_willis> starenka,  if you say so.  Im lucky to rember how to do a global replacement for a pattern in vi, without checking my vi book. :)
[16:15] <starenka> Dr_willis: nvrmnd, thx for the line hint - it was the trick. you made my day :))
[16:15] <Dr_willis> its hard to rember things you only do a few times a year. :)
[16:15] <starenka> tell me :))
[16:15] <Dr_willis> but i rember where the BOOK is at on the topic!
[16:15] <starenka> hehehe. most important
[16:16] <Dr_willis> Right above my.. err... 'reading chair'
[16:16] <starenka> :))
[16:20] <arty_> someone help with vmware
[16:21] <starenka> wup
[16:21] <starenka> arty_: wup?
[16:23] <Jampiter> Hi
[16:23] <Jampiter> I have another problem
[16:23] <Jampiter> All of a sudden my wireless LAN isn't being detected by KWirelessManager
[16:23] <arty_> starenka: vsak vies aj po slovensky alebo cesky ne
[16:23] <Jampiter> It worked perfectly before but now it won't even see the network
[16:24] <Jampiter> It's not a network problem, as this computer works fine
[16:24] <starenka> arty_: yes, but this is english channel...
[16:24] <fujisan> can anyone help me please
[16:24] <Jampiter> The light on the adaptop isn't flashing like it should
[16:24] <fujisan> i want to know how i can increase performance on kubuntu with kde4?
[16:24] <fujisan> my system is 4 years old
[16:24] <fujisan> and it runs so-so
[16:24] <fujisan> i expected more from linux :(
[16:24] <Jampiter> Any ideas anyone?
[16:25] <fujisan> even server 2008 runs better than this
[16:25] <bazhang> fujisan, how much ram
[16:25] <fujisan> 1500 mb
[16:26] <bazhang> with compiz or not fujisan
[16:26] <fujisan> desktop effects are enabled yes
[16:26] <bazhang> turn them off
[16:26] <fujisan> its just yerky you know
[16:26] <fujisan> :( my pc should be able to run this without yerkyness
[16:27] <bazhang> you wanted to know how to increase speed; that is the best way
[16:27] <Jampiter> Any ideas anyone?
[16:28] <fujisan> bazhang i want desktop effects only for the screen refresh rate
[16:28] <bazhang> fujisan, you want speed dont use compiz.
[16:29] <fujisan> so you are saying compiz in kde4 isn't there yet?
[16:29] <Denise> desktop effects?
[16:29] <Dr_willis> Hmm 'desktop effects only for the screen refresh rate' dont make much sence to me....
[16:29] <fujisan> because in gnome it works like i have cores
[16:29] <Dr_willis> kde4 is VERY much a work in progress
[16:29] <fujisan> yeah dr willis
[16:29] <fujisan> i am running it now though
[16:29] <Dr_willis> there was some chatting in here earlier about how the nvidia and ati drivers are 'slower then they should be' under kde4.
[16:29] <fujisan> yeah
[16:30] <fujisan> very slow
[16:30] <fujisan> yeah i'll turn it off
[16:30] <fujisan> disabled
[16:30] <fujisan> thats better
[16:30] <Dr_willis> Im not even sure how you enable 'compiz' in kde4. since kde4 has its own eyecandy stuff
[16:30] <bazhang> get a lighter window manager fujisan
[16:30] <Dr_willis> Unless we are getting terms messed up. :)
[16:31] <fujisan> desktop effects i figure that is a form of compiz, or uses a form of compiz
[16:31] <fujisan> kwin is not good bazhang?
[16:31] <fujisan> which one would you recommend bazhang?
[16:32] <bazhang> fujisan, what cpu do you have
[16:32] <Dr_willis> technically its using 'compositing' effects. Ibelive.. its 'not' using any of the code or stuff from 'compiz'  its just a similer but newer  tool/method.
[16:32] <fujisan> amd2800 xp
[16:32] <Dr_willis> I think. :)
[16:32] <Dr_willis> i never use the silly eyecandy
[16:32] <fujisan> i disabled it yeah it's pointless in kde4
[16:33] <Dr_willis> I find it pointless in most cases. :)
[16:33] <Jampiter> I need help
[16:33] <Dr_willis> Wife hates it when i turn on 'wiggly windows' on her system
[16:33] <fujisan> lol
[16:33] <Dr_willis> 'turn them off! im going to puke!'
[16:33] <Guest39696> i want to upgrade my kubuntu
[16:33] <Denise> what is wiggly window
[16:33] <Jampiter> ...
[16:34] <Dr_willis> she did like the zoom in/maganify  feature. of compiz.. but hated most of the other effects.
[16:34] <fujisan> how do i install the gnome terminal in kubuntu?
[16:34] <Dr_willis> fujisan,  install the 'gnome-terminal' package i belive
[16:34] <fujisan> thanx
[16:34] <Dr_willis> fire up the package manager and go to town!
[16:34] <Dr_willis> I normally use konsole under gnome. :)
[16:35] <fujisan> what is gnome-terminal-data
[16:35] <Guest39696> i fetch and nothing happens
[16:35] <Dr_willis> fujisan,  just a guess... a related package...
[16:35] <fujisan> transparency on Konsole is broken for me
[16:35] <fujisan> thats why i want to try the gnome one
[16:35] <Dr_willis> with data :) proberly themes or other settings
[16:35] <bazhang> get yakuake
[16:35] <sebastian_> how can i save a document in kword so it can be opened in microsoft word? and can i fix so it can autocorrect in swedish? :)
[16:35] <fujisan> bazhang: ?
[16:35] <Dr_willis> transparent terminals.. yet another thing i found useless.
[16:35] <bazhang> !info yakuake
[16:35] <bazhang> fujisan, ^^
[16:35] <Dr_willis> yakuake is handy
[16:35] <fujisan> Dr_willis:  true but it looks so cool :)
[16:36] <fujisan> ah kewl thanks bazhang
[16:36] <christian__> hey guys
[16:36] <Dr_willis> lets make somthing LOOK good.. but actually makes it harder to use... I will pass. :P
[16:36] <Guest39696> the upgrade button fades
[16:36] <Dr_willis> night all
[16:36] <christian__> i'm new to kubuntu, what the easiest way to setup a usb printer ?
[16:36] <fujisan> bazhang:  so which other desktop manager can i use ?
[16:37] <Guest39696> is there a private conversATion channel?
[16:37] <Guest39696> newbie
[16:38] <bazhang> fujisan, there are a wide variety; you can check in adept for openbox, fluxbox, xfce4 and decide which you like best
[16:39] <Guest39696> how do i upgrade?
[16:40] <fujisan> so is there a major difference in performance between a real install of kubuntu and using wubi?
[16:40] <bazhang> fujisan, somewhat
[16:41] <fujisan> ok
[16:41] <Denise> wubi is slower no?
[16:41] <bazhang> aye
[16:41] <fujisan> slower in what way?
[16:41] <fujisan> accessing files?
[16:41] <tzd> how on earth do i upgrade to KDE 3.5.10 please? Surely it must be available as a packet? Adept only wants to upgrade my kernel and i assume it's not included in there?
[16:42] <Denise> slower than the real ubuntu
[16:42] <fujisan> oh ok
[16:42] <Denise> thats what i read
[16:42] <Denise> I dunno yet
[16:43] <Denise> I'll see soon
[16:44] <fujisan> http://chris.pirillo.com/2008/02/19/wubi-or-live-cd-for-linux/
[16:45] <fujisan> i always thought it was pronounced as Wubbi :o
[16:46] <fujisan> wow that qt style thingie is really cool i dont even have to use a skin to make firefox look like kde4
[16:46] <fujisan> do i have a burnerapp in kubuntu?
[16:49] <christian__> fujisan: k3b, great app
[16:59] <b> hi
[17:00] <b> I have problem with desktop effects compiz setup. Which command should I use to configure compiz?
[17:01] <b> After installing it I can't start it
[17:03] <corigo> When running the live CD is there anyway to launch Keep (backup) with root permissions?
[17:03] <logan_> !fr
[17:03] <rickest> corigo: kdesu probably
[17:03] <b> I have problem with desktop effects compiz setup. Which command should I use to configure compiz?
[17:04] <b> I would like to have nice 3D desktop can u give advice ?
[17:05] <abby87> b: try kde 4.1 with kwin effects
[17:05] <sebastian_> kde 4 dont have the best desktop effects
[17:05] <stdin> b: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion#Configure
[17:06] <corigo> rickest: that seemed to work, at least it launched a new instance of Keep, but it is not listing my mounted drives in the new window. I can still navigate to the mounted drives throught the system folders, can I Not?
[17:06] <b> abby87 & stdin thanks guys!
[17:06] <abby87> b: ;)
[17:07] <b> abby87: I'm newbe in Linux so.. ;-)
[17:08] <abby87> b: i'm a newbie in kubuntu we're on the same side of the world ;)
[17:10] <b> abby87: everything is so difficult but very impressive and I already love this system :>
[17:13] <abby87> b: i see kde4 as a potential mac killer
[17:14] <corigo> Can I navigate to a mounted drive in the local file system?
[17:14] <b> abby87: do I have kde4 now? I just installed ubuntu 8.0
[17:14] <b> 8.04
[17:14] <abby87> yes i do
[17:15] <rickest> corigo: I'm not familiar with Keep but my expectation would be that it sees mounted drives just like mounted anything elses
[17:17] <corigo> rickest: The original window saw the mounted drives, but when the kdesu keep window launched the mounted drives are listing
[17:18] <rickest> corigo: 'kdesu keep' is what I meant.  You use kdesu to launch keep as root
[17:19] <corigo> Which I did, with the result that the new window doesn't see the mounted drivesw
[17:34] <fujisan> hello
[17:34] <fujisan> anyone here?
[17:37] <arty_> what you need?
[17:37] <Denise> I m here
 нуы
[17:37] <i> yes
[17:38] <quentin> hello there
[17:39] <quentin> Does anyone know how to make knetworkmanager and pptp vpn plugin to work?
[17:40] <quentin> I've google it and the only reasonable solution were to apply a patch which was made for version 0.2.x (don't remember the exact version but it's not the current one) and to install the gnome package
[17:41] <quentin> which is not really convenient since I don't want all the gnome libraries to show up
[17:52] <sluckz> quentin: i found something from my local lug!
[17:53] <sluckz> https://lug.wsu.edu/wireless/pptp/ubuntu
[17:53] <sluckz> ah sorry didnt read it all.
[17:56] <JackWinter> i've gotten very used to konquerors tabs and have many sites open constantly.  is there a way to store these "sessions" so that i can open them again later ?
[18:01] <corigo> JackWinter: use opera
[18:02] <JackWinter> corigo: i like konqueror :)
[18:02] <corigo> JackWinter: Opera is the only browser I know to store sessions
[18:03] <JackWinter> corigo: ok, might try it but since i've started using konq i've really fallen in love with it, and it's a cornerstone of my enviroment...
[18:04] <kayrick> Народ кто подскажет как в akregator настроить автоматическое удаление прочитанных новостей?
[18:04] <Carnage\> Da.
[18:07] <kayrick> ниужели никто не подскажет?)
[18:07] <Tm_T> !ru | kayrick
[18:07] <kayrick> Ok
[18:08] <kayrick> Can anybody tell me how to make akregator delete new I have read
[18:08] <kayrick> ?
[18:08] <kayrick> *new==news
[18:15] <djdarkman> hello
[18:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> Ok, so..lets try this again. Kde3.5 Clock, won't switch to AM/PM standard time.
[18:30] <corigo> Trying to backup one hard drive to another from a Live CD. Any suggestions?
[18:33] <therion_> Hi, how can i use Oxygen theme in compiz? the default theme is plastik..
[18:36] <extacy> Hello
[18:36] <Sixofour|Sleep> !compiz
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> !backup
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh..
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> !clock
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> :(
[18:37] <fujisan> Sixofour|Sleep: how can i use a different destop manager, instead of kwin?
[18:37] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you mean like KDE or Gnome?
[18:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> not sure what you mean by desktop manager
[18:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> !desktopmanager
[18:38] <therion_> Sixofour|Sleep: i'm not using Kde 3.xx but 4, sorry for my english
[18:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan: try sudo apt-cache search desktop manager
[18:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> look trhough the results you see for one that suits your needs
[18:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install <app you want>
[18:39] <therion_> in poor words: "kde-window-decorator --style Oxygen --replace" return to me an error, this theme doesn't exist, but in kwin works
[18:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> !compiz | go to the channel at the end of my text therion_ [nice band btw]
[18:40] <therion_> ok thanks for info
[18:41] <fujisan> Sixofour|Sleep:  i meant windows manager sorry my system locked up
[18:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> then try this" sudo apt-cache search windows manager
[18:41] <fujisan> yeah i want to replace kwin its painfully performance wise
[18:41] <fujisan> even worse than vista
[18:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan you on kde 4 or 3.5?
[18:41] <fujisan> 4
[18:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde4 is slow because its buggy
[18:42] <fujisan> yeah
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just switched back to 3.5
[18:42] <fujisan> painfully
[18:42] <fujisan> i cant
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> if i were you id get 3.5
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> sure you can
[18:42] <fujisan> i installed kubuntu with kde4
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> yes, type this in:
[18:42] <christian__> fujisan: which gpu ?
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:42] <fujisan> ati radeon 9600 xt its old but has 256 vid mem
[18:42] <Sixofour|Sleep> that will give you kde3.5 it will need 373 MB
[18:42] <fujisan> so that cant be it
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> then logout and chose kde3.5 from the session menu
[18:43] <fujisan> ok
[18:43] <fujisan> and will it replace kwin?
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> no, it won't replace kde4 [what is kwin?]
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kwin
[18:43] <fujisan> kwin k windows manager
[18:43] <fujisan> !window manager
[18:43] <Sixofour|Sleep> you will have kde3.5 and 4..though they together don't take up much space
[18:43] <Tm_T> kwin is the program handling windows in KDE
[18:43] <fujisan> apt-cache search understand window manager that bot is terrible
[18:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> its a bot :D
[18:44] <fujisan> it should have search
[18:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> !intelligence
[18:44] <christian__> fujisan: kde4 or 4.1 ?
[18:44] <fujisan> !search window manager
[18:44] <fujisan> !search fujisan
[18:44] <Tm_T> !find kwin
[18:44] <fujisan> haha
[18:44] <fujisan> sorry
[18:44] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kwin4
[18:44] <fujisan> !abuse | fujisan
[18:45] <fujisan> lol
[18:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> Tm_T he is probably on KDE4
[18:45] <fujisan> yeah i am
[18:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> hes having same problems i had
[18:45] <fujisan> its too slow
[18:45] <bazhang> best to /msg ubottu
[18:45] <christian__> fujisan: kde4 or 4.1 ?
[18:45] <fujisan> bazhang:  you are too late i already told myself
[18:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; logout ; select KDE4.5 or "default" [which ever you set] ; ??? ; win
[18:46] <ieroglif> hi all. i have kubuntu 8.04 in laptop. i have 2 partitions in NTFS with data but i can't mount them cuz i have to make checkdisk. wich utility can make chkdsk for ntfs?
[18:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> !chkdsk
[18:46] <Sixofour|Sleep> !checkdisk
[18:47] <bazhang> Sixofour|Sleep, /msg ubottu please
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan: KDE3.5*
[18:47] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: it's windows programm . linux?
[18:47] <bazhang> Sixofour|Sleep, ie /msg ubottu info packagename
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, maby um qtparted has a checkdisk like utility?
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know bazhang
[18:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> i made it public so thet he would see the results
[18:48] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: qtparted?
[18:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted is a partitioning program for linux
[18:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> it comes with KDE
[18:48] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: thnx. i'll try
[18:48] <fujisan> hmz werd Konsole doesnt do transparency, but gnome-terminal does
[18:48] <fujisan> can i also install gnome Sixofour|Sleep?
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> konsole is old school
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> probably, but ive never installed it
[18:49] <fujisan> lol
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> so i don't know the command
[18:49] <fujisan> too bad kde4 is lacking
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can apparently have as many desktop environments as you can fit on your hardrive
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde4 is like..beta
[18:49] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[18:49] <fujisan> i only have 5 gb :/
[18:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde3.5 is 373MB..i dobut gnome is much bigger
[18:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can probably remove kde4 after you get 3.5, but i am unsure how
[18:50] <Elda> Aside from the drivers listed on the repository, where would I go about getting drivers for nvidia cards? :s  Am on my laptop (has a go 7900 gtx)  and at least in Windows I've been using modified drivers from laptopvideo2go
[18:50] <Sixofour|Sleep> to conserve harddrive space
[18:50] <bazhang> ubuntu-desktop and all it pulls in is quite a bit larger than that
[18:51] <fujisan> yeah kde4 is terribly slow i like the UI though
[18:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got ubuntu deasktop, it was 373MB
[18:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> yesterday
[18:51] <Sixofour|Sleep> megabytes
[18:51] <bazhang> kde3 and ubuntu-desktop are both the same size?
[18:51] <fujisan> seems like kde4 is forcing people to get dual core and stuff
[18:51] <corigo> Sixofour|Sleep: Not sure what any of those items have to do with working from a Live CD
[18:52] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: no.. parted can't work with ntfs =(
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> um, corigo what was your issue again?
[18:52] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: other ideas?
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> qtparted should be able to work with ntfs
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> well
[18:52] <ieroglif> No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet.
[18:52] <Sixofour|Sleep> your trying to checkdisk an ntfs drive??
[18:52] <corigo> Backup while using a Live Cd
[18:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> you can't copy info from one drive to another with live cd?
[18:53] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: i need to do checkdisk for ntfs partition from linux
[18:53] <corigo> Copy is failing, claiming that certain files are larger than the allowed by their file type
[18:53] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm not sure how, only way i know is to boot from a windows boot cd and then run chkdsk
[18:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> corigo ive never heard that, i am afraid i won't be much help then
[18:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> maby someone in #ubuntu ?
[18:54] <Sixofour|Sleep> if no one else comes forward in this channel
[18:55] <fujisan> Sixofour|Sleep:  is it possible to use bluetooth headsets in kubuntu?
[18:55] <corigo> I've been at this for 5 days and still have no answers on either IRC channel
[18:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> !nvidia | Elda
[18:55] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: fsck.ntfs is not exist =( and this solution http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsck not work
[18:55] <fujisan> !bluetooth | fujisan
[18:55] <ieroglif> Sixofour|Sleep: ok. not good idea, but i'll try
[18:55] <Sixofour|Sleep> :S
[18:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> dunno what else, i'm not exactly a linux exprt, so most questions that arn't simple, fly passed me
[18:56] <appletree> hi2all
[18:56] <fujisan> i can just use gnome and skin it like kde4
[18:56] <Sixofour|Sleep> hello :)
[18:57] <fujisan> and it'll be 10x faster
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan kde is not just a window theme
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> its a whole set of apps and stuff
[18:57] <fujisan> yeah well a system with both environment has both sets of apps also
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> file manager, brwoser, write utilities, sound etc etc
[18:57] <fujisan> i know all that
[18:57] <Sixofour|Sleep> yeah
[18:57] <fujisan> but you can use all those apps under gnome also
[18:58] <Sixofour|Sleep> i suppose, but you only got 5G of space
[18:58] <fujisan> yeah true
[18:58] <fujisan> i installed via wubi thats why
[19:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> wubi?
[19:01] <fujisan> !wubi
[19:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> ah
[19:01] <Sixofour|Sleep> i just formatted my drive and slapped kubuntu into the cd drive
[19:01] <fujisan> yeah well i wont do that until i thoroughly test it since this is beta
[19:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde 4.1 is newer than kde4, they say it runs better, but i dohn't trust that idea yet :D
[19:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> kde3.5 runs great
[19:02] <granmike> HOLA
[19:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> id just get that
[19:02] <fujisan> how do i know if i have kde4.1 ?
[19:02] <granmike> WHAT
[19:02] <fujisan> i mean how can i tell
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> !es | granmike
[19:03] <granmike> COMO INSTALO APLICACIONES EN KUBUNTU
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> go to an kde app, and go to he4lp then "about kde"
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> like daolphin for example
[19:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> dolphin
[19:03] <fujisan> ok ty
[19:04] <granmike> OK
[19:04] <fujisan> i have kde 4.0.3 how can i upgrade to 4.1 ?
[19:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> not sure onn that actually
[19:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde4.1
[19:04] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde4
[19:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw fujisan this channel is for kde3.5 :D
[19:05] <fujisan> yeah i discovered that the same time you did
[19:05] <Sixofour|Sleep> i discovered it yestersday
[19:06] <fujisan> well i am about to get kde3.5 and many of the apps i run are kde 3.5 since there are no kde4 equivalents yet
[19:06] <fujisan> :)
[19:06] <fujisan> thanks
[19:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[19:07] <wesley_> i wanna test the bots
[19:07] <atalante> helo - hola
[19:08] <wesley_> !yourarestupid
[19:08] <atalante> something to help me ?
[19:08] <wesley_> i wanna test ubottu
[19:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> !abuse | wesley_
[19:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> heh
[19:09] <Sixofour|Sleep> didn't do what i expected
[19:10] <atalante> something know about kde ?
[19:10] <Sixofour|Sleep> something know about kde?
[19:11] <atalante> ...
[19:11] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am asking what do you mean?
[19:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> !kde
[19:13] <atalante> i try to login to kde
[19:14] <atalante> the login is ok, but go back to de screen login
[19:14] <atalante> i see de Xorg log and i not have error
[19:16] <Elda> Not sure if went through as I disconnected, but as I asked earlier:S "Aside from the drivers listed on the repository, where would I go about getting drivers for nvidia cards? :s  Am on my laptop (has a go 7900 gtx)  and at least in Windows I've been using modified drivers from laptopvideo2go"
[19:19] <slow-motion> hi
[19:21] <exception> Anyone can help me about a broadcom   board problem?
[19:24] <grempus> hey
[19:25] <grempus> I put in a cd and Dolphin automounted it but I can't figure out how to access it from the command line
[19:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> root/cdrom/ ?
[19:29] <christian__> grempus: go to command-line and type mount
[19:29] <Bauldrick> grempus: isn't it somewhere like /media/cdrom0
[19:29] <christian__> grempus: that shows you where it got mounted
[19:29] <grempus> hmm I think my machine is hosed somehow
[19:29] <grempus> it says it's on cdrom0 but when I go there it has nothing in it
[19:29] <grempus> and if I try to unmount it it says it is busy
[19:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> !nvidia | Elda
[19:30] <Elda> yes I've read of envy and how it's a last ditch tool :S
[19:30] <grempus> I'll try rebooting it
[19:30] <grempus> I might have to just reinstall
[19:30] <Elda> Thank you though for the suggestion :s
[19:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> what is wrong with the restricted nvidia drivers [doesn't nvidia have native linux?]
[19:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> the ones in the repository
[19:37] <Elda> the ones in the repository are somewhat buggy no?
[19:38] <Elda> At least when Im using open office my gui goes wonky
[19:39] <motma> list
[19:44] <beata|desktop> I picked up an Internet PhoneJack card recently, looking for information about it. The company, and most of the websites listed in the VoIP howtos, seem to be gone. Might any of you guys know where else to look?
[19:51] <AcidUk> any help with syslog
[19:51] <chetanska> hey people....total newbie here....can someone help me with puppy 2.17?
[19:52] <AcidUk> syslog is recieveing logs from my other devices but is not sending them to the designated file
[19:54] <chetanska> I"m having problems with an old puppy linux...can someone help solve simple issues?
[19:55] <AcidUk> fire away not sure if will be able to help, but linux is linux
[19:55] <chetanska> yea...well...here's where I'm at...
[19:55] <ulusoy> slm.
[19:56] <chetanska> I got puppy 2.17 and it's running fine....and installed...just can't figure out how to make it boot itself without the disk
[19:57] <chetanska> in other words, I don't know how to get the bootloader on the hardrive in the boot sector
[19:57] <eamon> when you are downloading apps from the konsol where is it downloading them from
[19:57] <pim> chetanska version 4.0 offers that automatically
[19:57] <chetanska> the default repos
[19:58] <chetanska> version 4.0 won't run on this old machine
[19:58] <pim> then it must be really old
[19:58] <pim> but let's see
[19:58] <chetanska> 166mhz/308ram
[19:58] <chetanska> don't ask about the ram math
[19:58] <pim> 308?
[19:58] <chetanska> bad chip but still more usable than the smaller one I have
[19:59] <pim> probably a 512 chip but the motherboard only accepts 308
[19:59] <chetanska> I got three chips in it but one of them tests out partially
[19:59] <pim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[20:00] <AcidUk> when u where installing it. did you select boot from MBR or logical drive
[20:00] <pim> maybe that'll help you
[20:00] <AcidUk> as it should be mbr
[20:00] <AcidUk> Master Boot record
[20:00] <chetanska> hmmm
[20:00] <chetanska> don't remember for sure
[20:01] <chetanska> that must be it
[20:01] <chetanska> stick around and I'll try it...I'm chatting through my ubuntu machine and the other's right next to it
[20:01] <AcidUk> cool
[20:02] <chetanska> I use the puppy universal installer to put it on the IDE ata drive right?
[20:02] <pim> yeah
[20:02] <AcidUk> any1 know anything about syslog
[20:02] <chetanska> ok...i'm not sure of the diff between ata sata and the other one
[20:03] <pim> if it's old it is a pata (ata/ide) drive
[20:04] <Jampiter> Hi, I have a quick Q
[20:04] <Jampiter> I've just installed KDE4, but for some reason it's using the KDE3 window manager and borders
[20:04] <Jampiter> How do I fix this?
[20:05] <pim> first you go to #KDE
[20:05] <pim> and there you ask again
[20:05] <Jampiter> Oh, thanks
[20:05] <eamon> if i want to update java what is the apt command
[20:06] <AcidUk> as far as I now u need to sun web site and download the source and recompule irt
[20:06] <AcidUk> recompile
[20:06] <chetanska> ok...I've got two IDE's in it and I"m not sure which is the boot sector....is there a quick way to find out?
[20:07] <eamon> turn off computer and unplug one
[20:07] <AcidUk> when installing it should tell u
[20:08] <AcidUk> normally ide1
[20:08] <chetanska> ok...that's where I'm screwing up
[20:09] <Jampiter> How do I remove KDE3?
[20:10] <fujisan> can i get some help with this bluetooth stuff does it work for kubuntu
[20:10] <chetanska> it's copying files now and it never asked me about the mbr
[20:11] <AcidUk> yes bluetooth should be fine
[20:11] <Jampiter> Anyone?
[20:11] <AcidUk> Chetk> sounds like it auto detected ide1
[20:12] <chetanska> there' s another application called grub bootloader config......do I have to configure the bootloader separatly with this version or something?
[20:12] <AcidUk> I use grub
[20:12] <pim> Jampiter try using adept or synaptic
[20:12] <Jampiter> Ok
[20:12] <AcidUk> defaults should be fine
[20:13] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[20:13] <chetanska> perhaps I should reformat both drives and configure the bootloader before installing
[20:14] <chetanska> Q....how do I know which file system is the best one to use for this old dinosaur?
[20:14] <pim> I don't know
[20:15] <pim> I think you'd best ask on ubuntu forums
[20:15] <pim> ext2 is better for older systems than ext3 I think
[20:15] <AcidUk> ext2 or ext 3 should be fine
[20:15] <chetanska> I'm trying this with ext2....but you're probably right...it seems a little sluggish
[20:15] <AcidUk> lol yea
[20:16] <chetanska> thanks acid...what about for a much faster machine like a 2.6Ghz 512RAm machine?
[20:17] <AcidUk> go 4 ext3
[20:17] <chetanska> the old Windowsxp I had on it ran NTFS
[20:17] <AcidUk> its more stable
[20:17] <chetanska> it's running ext3 now
[20:17] <chetanska> actually dual drives with dual boot
[20:18] <chetanska> hence dual file systems
[20:18] <chetanska> damn...the dinosaur froze up....lol
[20:18] <chetanska> it's an old compaq deskpro 2000 that was running windows95 (sort of) and dying fast
[20:19] <chetanska> I wanna give it to my friend who's computer illiterate before monday
[20:19] <AcidUk> wots the spec again
[20:19] <chetanska> 166Mhz/308Ram
[20:20] <AcidUk> install dam small linux
[20:20] <chetanska> about 20G hd between the two of them
[20:20] <AcidUk> or mandrake or Fedora older versions
[20:20] <chetanska> Why dsl...puppy 2.17 runs fine on it....I just need to figure out how to install the thing
[20:21] <AcidUk> DSL has a very small foot print
[20:21] <chetanska> I had trouble locating the download url for the older mandrake versions
[20:21] <AcidUk> so is it reinstalling
[20:22] <chetanska> very small footprint, but will it work as well as puppy...? and will it run a printer/scanner/webcam/cd burner?
[20:23] <chetanska> no, it froze up....but I swear it runs fine on this machine
[20:23] <chetanska> I'm just not installing it right
[20:24] <AcidUk> make sure all jumpers are correct on the drives
[20:24] <AcidUk> ie: ide1 master ide2 slave
[20:24] <chetanska> did that
[20:24] <AcidUk> M$ is not too fussy
[20:24] <chetanska> they read fine....they mount fine
[20:25] <chetanska> I just rebooted and it's loading the kernel from the disk again
[20:25] <chetanska> haha....you have to tell it to start x
[20:25] <AcidUk> format both drives and insure no partitions are active. then reinstall
[20:26] <chetanska> that's what happened....the one partition witht the mbr was active
[20:26] <chetanska> You're right...I'll have to reformat..................(AGAIN!)
[20:26] <chetanska> I have to use xvesa for this old graphics card
[20:27] <AcidUk> dose it ask u to repartition or format while installing
[20:28] <chetanska> no,..just asked if I want to wipe out the files that were on it or upgrade them
[20:28] <fujisan_> lol
[20:29] <fujisan_> lol
[20:29] <fujisan_> lol
[20:29] <AcidUk> plonk in a msdos disk and fdisk the lot
[20:29] <chetanska> don't laugh, I've been using microsoft all my life up until last month
[20:30] <AcidUk> hehe
[20:30] <chetanska> na...I can use the gparted in puppy
[20:30] <chetanska> I'd say I'm learning pretty fast
[20:31] <fujisan_> hi
[20:31] <chetanska> I was bold enough to wipe out both machines and clean them of micro crap's internet extortionist software
[20:31] <AcidUk> very nice
[20:31] <chetanska> I started this project without a clue and wiped out xp on a wing and a prayer
[20:31] <AcidUk> stop M$ two years ago
[20:32] <AcidUk> Mac Osx, Redhat and Kubuntu
[20:32] <ghostcube> ^^
[20:32] <chetanska> I just wish it was easier to get voice chat, webcam, and dvd players working with this thing, but I love ubuntu
[20:33] <ghostcube> chetanska: webcam is easier todays
[20:33] <chetanska> it took me two days to get the damn dvd player to work and it still glitched badly
[20:33] <ghostcube> hmm u have all codecs installed ?
[20:34] <ghostcube> btw what dvd player are u running
[20:34] <ghostcube> ^
[20:34] <chetanska> not now....I started over from scratch....this time I installed a bunch of stuff that I think is causing conflicts with other software
[20:34] <sourcemaker> konqueror crashs when open a flash page... what's wrong?
[20:34] <fujisan_> i left huh
[20:34] <fujisan_> why am i still here then
[20:34] <chetanska> I've tried all the dvd players....vlc, totem, and a couple others...
[20:35] <AcidUk> i cant get VLS to work niether so dont panic
[20:35] <Ramblurr> Hm, when I login via KDM, KDM quits to console and I have to login there even though I have selected a KDE session in kdm
[20:35] <chetanska> I had vlc working a month ago on another machine and it worked much better than the others
[20:36] <sourcemaker> join #kde
[20:36] <chetanska> but I had to figure out all the codecs to uninstall from the others to keep out of conflict
[20:36] <chetanska> I'll give micro crap the credit for making it that way
[20:37] <muadd> hi, i am installed Ubuntu in my acer 5720 (replacing win32), and i have a trouble, the fan of chassis is not working (just work in the boot moment, after stop), how can i activate the fan ? the machine is shutdowning without a previously warning, and i think that is because the heat not disipatd
[20:37] <chetanska> friggin corporate lawyers and their control on our laws and government
[20:37] <favro> Ramblurr: !ot
[20:37] <fujisan_> favro
[20:37] <fujisan_> my little pal
[20:38] <favro> oops Ramblurr are the vid drivers setup?
[20:40] <favro> fujisan_: hi, I'm not that little :)
[20:40] <fujisan_> wow its werd man all i need to do an os is change the wallpaper to my own one and its like the same os :O
[20:41] <fujisan_> i am from the 60s
[20:42] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <chetanska> ok...puppy's loaded for the third time and I finally got a graphics setting that works but it's a white background
[20:43] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <logan_> !fr
[20:43] <logan_> powa
[20:43] <Ramblurr> favro: yes, because after i login via console i can startx and KDE works fine
[20:45] <Sixofour|Sleep> !multiplexer
[20:47] <sourcemaker> !flash
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> bot died
[20:47] <Sixofour|Sleep> RED ALERT
[20:48] <chetanska_> I"m making a partition for /home.....should that be extended, primary, or logical partition?
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> est3 i think
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> ext3
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> but don't quote me on that
[20:48] <Sixofour|Sleep> afk
[20:49] <chetanska_> that would have to be a primary drive yes?
[20:49] <favro> Ramblurr: if instead of startx you typed sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart the console should show error and give a clue
[20:50] <Ramblurr> favro: hm ok i'll give that a try
[20:50] <Ramblurr> favro: oh wait, starting KDM isn't the problem
[20:50] <Ramblurr> KDM starts fine
[20:50] <Ramblurr> it's after i enter my pass and hit enter
[20:50] <sourcemaker> !flash
[20:50] <Ramblurr> favro: and it only does it for a certain user
[20:50] <chetanska_>  I"m making a partition for /home.....should that be extended, primary, or logical partition?
[20:51] <AcidUk> ext
[20:51] <chetanska_> I'm guessing primary ext2. Can I get a yes or no?
[20:51] <favro> Ramblurr: ohh - after the console login if kdm login fails and you back to console there will be useful output there
[20:51] <chetanska_> thanks
[20:51] <chetanska_> extended?
[20:51] <AcidUk> yea
[20:52] <chetanska_> thanks....almost did it wrong
[20:52] <ghostcube> why extended
[20:52] <ghostcube> :|
[20:53] <favro> it could be eithee - as long as there aren't 4 primary ones already
[20:53] <favro> *either
[20:53] <chetanska_> something's wrong....it split up the partition and left half of it unallocated
[20:53] <lufthanza> which init.d script controls NetworkManager?
[20:53] <favro> networking
[20:54] <AcidUk> ext3 should be fine / or 2
[20:56] <sourcemaker> how can I setup the default java runtime for konqueror?
[20:56] <favro> !java
[20:56] <favro> !lag
[20:56] <lufthanza> networking does not control NetworkManager
[20:57] <eamon> aptitude search java
[20:57] <favro> lufthanza: what are you trying to achieve?
[20:57] <lufthanza> i did 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop', and yet i'm still talking to you
[20:58] <lufthanza> favro: my laptop fails to shutdown some times due to networkmanager failing to shut down before dbus
[20:58] <lufthanza> shutdown process stalls and I have to poweroff by holding the power button
[20:58] <HailandKill> Is there a way of assigning the LiveCD more temporary space?
[20:58] <favro> one min :)
[21:01] <lufthanza> i have gotten a 100% chance of shutting down so far by killing networkmanager before shutting down. I am trying to reorder the way my laptop shuts down in order to stop having these locking up during shutdown issues
[21:02] <lufthanza> I think it has something to do with me having an nfs share mounted
[21:05] <favro> lufthanza: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/138691 - seems to be dbus
[21:06] <Sixofour|Sleep> ubottu is down
[21:09] <lufthanza> favro: is there any clean way to shut NetworkManager down in ubuntu (other than 'killall NetworkManager')? I can fix this problem for myself with a quick hack to the dbus and hal scripts, but I would like a nice way to put NM down.
[21:12] <favro> lufthanza: does it happen with reboot?
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> how do i enable universe/multiverse in apt-get?
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> what command, if it is a single command
[21:12] <favro> !repos | Sixofour|Sleep
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm helping someone else btw
[21:12] <Sixofour|Sleep> bot is broke
[21:13] <favro> there's no bot !
[21:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> i know !
[21:13] <Sixofour|Sleep> all linux knowlage is gone
[21:13] <favro> Sixofour|Sleep: I manually edit my sources.list file for that
[21:14] <fujisan_> favro
[21:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> oh, is there a guide i can give someone?
[21:14] <Sixofour|Sleep> fujisan chan
[21:14] <fujisan_> favro is there a new konversation, can i use konversation for kde4 in kde3.5?
[21:14] <fujisan_> hi Sixofour|Sleep
[21:15] <lufthanza> favro: yes
[21:16] <fujisan_> lufthanza:  ;0
[21:16] <fujisan_> wie gehst?
[21:16] <favro> Sixofour|Sleep: there should be something like application-system-software sources   in the menu - not using kde atm
[21:16] <favro> fujisan_: there would be diff dependancies I would think
[21:17] <fujisan_> oh i have both kdes installed
[21:17] <fujisan_> so that should take care of that
[21:17] <Sixofour|Sleep> how is kde3.5 going?
[21:17] <fujisan_> good
[21:17] <fujisan_> runs great thanks
[21:22] <fujisan_> i cant believe it's running so well only the gnome apps i install well certain anyways dont playback audio so is that, because, gnome apps need different codecs?
[21:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:23] <Sixofour|Sleep> that might be wrong
[21:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:24] <Sixofour|Sleep> that will givwe you lots of media compatibility
[21:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> btw, kde4 doesn't recognize volume buttons, kde3.5 does o.O
[21:25] <Sixofour|Sleep> is there a palce to report bugs for kde4?
[21:25] <nihl> Hi, I'm having a stereo problem with my computer. I have 2 speakers, the right speaker is attached to the computer and the left is attached to the right one. When I play any type of audio the left speaker never plays anything and when I put it up to my ear the only thing I get is fuzz, any help would be appreciated.
[21:25] <drkguy> Hi!
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> sounds like your speaker is broken?
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> kubuntu can't effect the signal to your elft speaker
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> left*
[21:26] <drkguy> How can i make dpkg-reconfigure a package following it's dependencies?
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> thats your right speaker
[21:26] <nihl> I'm not running kubuntu
[21:26] <nihl> just ubuntu 8.04
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> your in #kubuntu
[21:26] <Sixofour|Sleep> anyways, the os wouldn't effect that
[21:26] <nihl> yeah, I'm running konquest
[21:27] <nihl> didn't think so
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> do the speakers both work elseware?
[21:27] <nihl> I'll test it out
[21:27] <nihl> my cables look fine
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> !sound
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> bot is dead
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> Hmmm...
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> lol
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> and so is any hope for more thqan basic knowlaedge..it scares me
[21:27] <Sixofour|Sleep> :(
[21:27] <Drk_Guy> :)
[21:28] <nihl> well, at least I know it isn't the OS
[21:28] <nihl> thank you Sixofour
[21:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> np :D i'm an electronic musician lol
[21:28] <nihl> even though you are asleep apparently
[21:28] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> the copmputer only sends an audio signal, no data or anyhting [well, its data, but you know]
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> ananlouge signal
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> unless your speakers are usb?
[21:29] <Sixofour|Sleep> are they usb? lol
[21:29] <nihl> yeah, I was thinking it was set to mono
[21:30] <nihl> no it's analog
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> even mono would play in both speakers
[21:30] <nihl> color-coded green
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> it would just be really weird
[21:30] <nihl> it bothers me
[21:30] <nihl> I feel like I'm deaf from my left ear
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> i think it might just be the connection between your elft and right
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> mine are like that
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> do you have a subwoofer?
[21:30] <nihl> no
[21:30] <Sixofour|Sleep> ah
[21:30] <YippMN> i'm tring to get kppp working for a friend whos gonna try kubuntu but can't seem to get it to query the modem , and suggestions?
[21:31] <nihl> the speakers came with the computer
[21:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> id just get new speakers then, you can get a pair for dirt cheap, because it seems its your speakers are broken
[21:31] <nihl> yeah, I always wanted 5.1
[21:31] <Sixofour|Sleep> i got two speakers and a subwoofer from creative labs for 40 dollars
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> and i use those to produce on
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, i also have a 40$ pair of headphones
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> :D
[21:32] <nihl> I think I'm gonna switch them out with my sister's speakers
[21:32] <Sixofour|Sleep> lol maby she won't notice :D
[21:33] <nihl> they're the same and she just blasts her music so that the neighbors can hears
[21:33] <nihl> hear it*
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm blasting Filteria right now :D
[21:34] <Sixofour|Sleep> Goa Trance fits with Linux very well.
[21:37] <nihl> 6o4: what headphones would you recommend?
[21:38] <AcidUk> any 1 knw about remote syslog
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> well, mine are from Behringer
[21:38] <nihl> how's Bose?
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> HPS5000
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> never tried theirs
[21:38] <Sixofour|Sleep> it depends what you end them for
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> if your just lsitening they don't ened to be uber good, if your producing they need to be good, if your mastering tracks they need to be uber
[21:39] <nihl> I'd probably want a headset
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> with a mic?
[21:39] <nihl> but I don't want them to be craptastic either
[21:39] <nihl> yeah
[21:39] <Sixofour|Sleep> spend more than 20 bucks and they [likely] won't be craptastic
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> berhinger, korg are nice comapnies
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> yamaha
[21:40] <nihl> well, I'll keep those names in mind
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i'm not much of an expert on hardware however, you can try #alsa
[21:40] <Sixofour|Sleep> i am sure someone is alsa klnows more about headphones
[21:41] <nihl> thanks again
[21:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> alsa is linux sound channel basicly btw :D
[21:41] <fujisan_> i still need help with bluetooth is it really impossible to use a bluetooth headset on kubuntu?
[21:41] <Sixofour|Sleep> bluetooth headset?????
[21:42] <ghostcube> fujisan_: impossible ?
[21:42] <fujisan_> yeah
[21:42] <fujisan_> i did some google queries
[21:42] <fujisan_> seems like there are only failures
[21:44] <AcidUk> i use bluetooth with kubuntu
[21:44] <AcidUk> a little dongal for my mobile phone
[21:45] <AcidUk> al is fine
[21:45] <Drk_Guy> AcidUk: Kandy?
[21:47] <AcidUk> just the standard that comes with Kubuntu
[21:47] <AcidUk> works brill
[21:48] <AcidUk> same as my MAC
[21:48] <Drk_Guy> lol
[21:49] <Drk_Guy> AcidUk: You should try kandy
[21:49] <Drk_Guy> It's really nifty, and it allows you to send commands directly to your phone
[21:50] <fujisan_> can someone please help me with blue tooth?
[21:51] <fujisan_> !blue tooth
[21:51] <Drk_Guy> fujisan_: bot is dead
[21:51] <favro> fujisan_: what brand is the headset?
[21:51] <fujisan_> oh
[21:51] <Drk_Guy> fujisan_: but what is your problem?
[21:51] <fujisan_> i want to use my blue tooth headset with kubuntu
[21:52] <fujisan_> dont know how exactly and if it is even possible
[21:58] <fujisan_> wow
[21:58] <fujisan_> lol
[21:58] <fujisan_> blue tooth doesnt work on linux huh :/
[21:58] <fujisan_> and people wonder why people still use windows
[21:59] <fujisan_> its because windows supports the peripherals i buy
[21:59] <Sixofour|Sleep> i bet i can fidn your answer in google, watch
[21:59] <fujisan_> no i have been reading for several hours
[21:59] <Fieldy> fuji is a troll many times over, he does this in many channels. he also evades bans.
[21:59] <Drk_Guy> fujisan_: linux has a really good bluetooth stack
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> OMG: http://nexthing.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/bluetooth-headset-with-ubuntu-skype-and-voip-applications/
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> :p
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> first result
[22:00] <Fieldy> like i said ;p
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> try that, if it doesn't work, i'll google something else
[22:00] <Sixofour|Sleep> you have 3 google chances
[22:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> and funny part is, i hate using google
[22:02] <Sixofour|Sleep> or search engines in general
[22:03] <Sixofour|Sleep> which is why i have irc
[22:13] <rickest> we have a standing rule at work.  if you interrupt me with a question I can answer in a single google search that you understand, top 5 results, lunch is on you.  Improved research ability around here tenfold  :)
[22:26] <Soulgain> Hi. I would like to disable taskbar launch notification for executed programs. Where is the option to disable such a thing?
[22:26] <Soulgain> I use many terminal apps/scripts to do work at the background, but because of it, I end with a full taskbar for some seconds.
[22:29] <Soulgain> Uhm, hello? Did I arrive in the middle of an IRC split?
[22:39] <badkitty> Im having trouble installing kubuntu, I have tried both the alternate and desktop versions... Basically there is no desktop
[22:56] <jaakkome> Is there an easy way to move my home directory to another partition?
[22:57] <jaakkome> actually it could be nice to have my home directory be an partition of its own
[22:58] <fujisan_> !gpg
[22:58] <fujisan_> ok where is the keychain on kubuntu?
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> jaakkome- you can have a separate partition mounted to /home
[23:07] <badkitty> Kubuntu is pissing me off
[23:11] <andreas__> I'm having some truble unrar'ing multiple .rar archives,  can anyone point me in the right direction?
[23:12] <rickest> define "trouble".  you're getting errors, they're not extracting where you want, they're blue instead of red?
[23:13] <andreas__> Well, i need a spesific guide...     " unrar -x <filename>
[23:13] <badkitty> Im having trouble getting kubuntu installed with a desktop. I tried both the alternate and desktop versions, both either drop to a console, or freeze at running local scripts
[23:13] <andreas__> .rar doesent seem to work
[23:14] <rickest> unrar x name_of_file.rar
[23:14] <rickest> l
[23:15] <andreas__> Thanks, have no ide why i put the "-" there in the first place -.-
[23:16] <rickest> andreas__: that's the normal way to do it, not sure why they don't  :)
[23:16] <rickest> andreas__: the other trick is if you're unraring multiple files, you have to escape or quote wildcards:  unrar x \*.rar
[23:17] <moo_cow> is kde4 going to be default in the next kubuntu?
[23:17] <andreas__> aah
[23:17] <badkitty> Any reason for kubuntu not to load a desktop either in the livecd or install (both alternate and desktop version?)
[23:17] <rickest> badkitty: if you can get to a shell, /var/log/Xorg.0.log might contain clues
[23:18] <andreas__> rickest: doesent seem that logical to me, but thanks for the help;D
[23:18] <rickest> andreas__: I agree, definitely abnormal
[23:18] <rickest> badkitty: although on a LiveCD, all bets are off on the actual path to that log
[23:18] <AcidUk> andreas__> unrar -c *.rar
[23:18] <AcidUk> andreas__> unrar -c *.rar
[23:18] <AcidUk> andreas__> unrar -x *.rar
[23:18] <AcidUk> sozz
[23:19] <moo_cow> anybody know????
[23:19] <badkitty> rickest: It said something about not finding any x screens before ..?
[23:21] <rickest> badkitty: I'm guessing that's because it can't find/load your video drivers.  you might try boot options that limit the display to VGA or something reasonably simple.  I'm guessing here
[23:22] <badkitty> rickest: Yeah I tried that already ...
[23:22] <rickest> badkitty: gotta be frustrating but I just don't know much about the boot CD, sorry
[23:24] <joseph_> Hello everyone!! Can someone tell me what's going on here.
[23:27] <ROKEIT0608> here
[23:46] <andreas__> How do u mount my external HDD?  It's a ntfs partition.
[23:49] <starenka> !mount
[23:49] <starenka> !DiskMounte
[23:49] <starenka> !DiskMounter
[23:50] <andreas__> thx
[23:52] <starenka> andreas__:  in general it goes like sudo mount -t cifs -o iocharset=utf8,user=guest,pass=,noperms /what /where
[23:54] <andreas__> hmmm
[23:55] <andreas__> Cant seem to find it anywhere but "lsusb":S
[23:55] <Alex135> well im finally reinstalling Kubuntu, it compleetly forgot everything about who it was and what hardware it had... :(
[23:56] <andreas__> starenka: Cant seem to find the hdd anywhere but "lsusb":S
[23:59] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I just upgraded to the 2.6.24-19 kernel.  When my computer starts up my internet services don't start.  This has happened before.  Any ideas why?
[23:59] <Alex135> your computer may have forgotten who it was like mine did when i updated the kernel
[23:59] <Alex135> im reinstalling on my desktop now
[23:59] <Alex135> it forgot ALL its hardware


[14:50] <bluesabre> meeting today, right?
[14:58] <pleia2> bluesabre: yeah
[14:58]  * pleia2 yawns
[15:00] <pleia2> anyone else about?
[15:01] <bluesabre> this might be a very short meeting
[15:01] <pleia2> indeed
[15:01] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi?
[15:01]  * smartboyhw yawns while half focusing on other things
[15:02] <pleia2> I am sick and it's still dark here, not in much shape to chair
[15:05] <pleia2> alright, I think we'll cancel this meeting since it's only the two of us team member wise
[15:05] <pleia2> probably should have sent a reminder to the list :\
[15:06] <bluesabre> alrighty
[15:06] <bluesabre> I'd probably have a lot more to report next week anyway
[15:06] <pleia2> knome is planning a meeting to discuss iso size early next week
[15:06] <bluesabre> yeah
[15:07] <smartboyhw> pleia2, just asking: How's the size?
[15:07] <pleia2> smartboyhw: I don't know :)
[15:08] <pleia2> you can look at the current build directory on the iso tracker
[15:08] <pleia2> I'm going back to bed, it's too early here
[15:08] <Unit193> Heh, the one I can make. :P
[15:08] <bluesabre> lol
[15:08] <Unit193> Sleep well.
[15:08] <smartboyhw> pleia2, yep the amd64 ISO is oversized
[15:08] <smartboyhw> by 6 MiB
[15:08] <bluesabre> feel better pleia2
[15:08] <smartboyhw> i386 isn't
[15:09] <smartboyhw> the amd64 ISO for 12.04.2 is too, by 4 MiB.
[18:11] <micahg> sorry, I wasn't able to attend and won't be able to fix the ISOs before next week
[18:21] <micahg> ok, I gave the precise ISOs one more shot, mr_pouit  will probably need to do any more tweaking
[22:31] <knome> yeah, sorry for not being able to attend (again)


[00:55] <chimp> I'm trying to install alien on a laptop that has no net access atm, however by trying to download the .deb package it has dependencies and to install them they have dependencies etc. how can i download a package of alien that contains ALL the dependencies?
[02:45] <alyxander> hey room
[02:45] <alyxander> anyone check out gOS yet?
[03:11] <chimp> In xfce, settings>main menu bears no resemblence to what my menu looks like, ie. it shows "programming" while Xfce shows "develepment", why is this?
[03:55] <BanHasExpired> Viđi vraga su sedam binjišah,
[03:55] <BanHasExpired> su dva mača a su dvije krune,
[03:55] <BanHasExpired> praunuka Turkova s Koranom!
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[03:55] <BanHasExpired> da opuste zemlju svukoliku
[03:56] <BanHasExpired> ka skakavac što polja opusti!
[03:56] <BanHasExpired> Francuskoga da ne bi brijega,
[03:56] <BanHasExpired> aravijsko more sve potopi!
[03:56] <BanHasExpired> San pakleni okruni Osmana,
[03:56] <BanHasExpired> darova mu lunu ka jabuku.
[03:56] <BanHasExpired> Zloga gosta Evropi Orkana!
[04:42] <ferrero-de-merde> salut
[05:49] <mr-c> Hello, anyone around?
[06:00] <soldats> yse
[06:01] <soldats> sorry this place is usually dead
[06:01] <soldats> if i can help you idbe glad to
[06:06] <mr-c> haha it is a bit quiet around here :P
[06:08] <mr-c> ok, in a nutshell: i run gentoo linux with xfce4. i really like the desktop right-click menu in xubuntu (it's not the default right-click menu for xfce). any ideas on how the developers allowed a right-click to spawn a different menu than the default?
[06:11] <soldats> mr-c, hmm not sure about xfce but in other wms there is a config file for it
[06:12] <soldats> i use xfce but i dont use r-click or middle click
[06:13] <mr-c> soldats, there is a menu.xml file for xfce, which is used to generate the applications menu and, in the default xfce config, the right-click menu. somehow the guys at xubuntu for a custom rightclick menu to launch :-/
[06:13] <soldats> im pretty sure xfce has a config file for it as well but i really dont know where its located
[06:14] <soldats> hmm id assume its in the .xml since thats the same file for other mindow managers
[06:34] <thyrax> does anyone use linux software raid?
[06:36] <thyrax> no one using mdadm for software raid 5?
[06:37] <soldats> no sorry
[06:37] <thyrax> is there a gui for mdadm?
[06:37] <soldats> not sure i will check
[06:37] <thyrax> thanks
[06:38] <thyrax> I hear stuff about evms but have no idea if it was designed for mdadm
[06:38] <thyrax> or how user friendly it is
[06:38] <soldats> http://www.issociate.de/board/post/262739/GUI_for_mdadm.html
[06:38] <soldats> maybe
[06:38] <soldats> ?????
[06:38] <soldats> haha thats what i found for it
[06:39] <thyrax> yes thats from 2005
[06:39] <thyrax> I read that several times :(
[06:39] <thyrax> evms doesn't have a clear site either
[06:39] <soldats> hah sorry thats just what i found i dont really know about raid
[06:39] <soldats> or mdadm
[06:40] <thyrax> lol no problem thanks very much for trying
[06:40] <thyrax> I want to install ubuntu to act asmy home server
[06:40] <thyrax> I need to set up software raid 5
[06:40] <thyrax> and mdadm allows for raid 4 expansion
[06:41] <thyrax> raid 5**
[06:41] <soldats> yea ive been wanting to do that as well but i havent gotten around to it
[06:41] <thyrax> I meant raid 5 expansion
[06:43] <thyrax> is there a way to meke feisty fawn lighter? Is there a way to make it boot faster. also is there a way to bypass the need to put in a password at launch and for everything else in the terminal?
[06:52] <soldats> yes
[06:52] <thyrax> soldats how?
[06:53] <thyrax> i'm currently researching mdadm i guess ill have to google that later
[06:53] <nantax> is anybody using xchat in xubuntu?
[06:53] <soldats> i am
[06:53] <thyrax> i used it once
[06:53] <soldats> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper read this it amy help for you thyrax
[06:53] <nantax> because when i do settings -> preference -> enable sytem tray icon, my task bar disappears
[06:53] <soldats> nantax, i use it frequently but i also use irssi
[06:54] <nantax> the desktop panel, the time, network icon trash and quit icons disappears
[06:54] <soldats> nantax, really i never seen that mine did that automatically
[06:54] <nantax> but when i uncheck it, the icons comes back
[06:55] <soldats> nantax, thats crazy do you think it may be a compatabilty issue
[06:55] <nantax> no idea, my xubuntu is default
[06:55] <soldats> thyrax, did you get my link
[06:55] <nantax> i did not do anything fancy to it because i don't know how to do it
[06:55] <soldats> mine too mine just shows the xchat icon
[06:55] <nantax> screen saver is not working but when i installed icewm, it magically worked
[06:56] <soldats> nantax, fancy isnt always best i prefer to use cli and i usually boot without a gui
[06:56] <nantax> other than that, i have not installed anything
[06:56] <soldats> hah yea mine worked with e17
[06:56] <nantax> also i want to map my win key so that the xfce menu will pop up ala windows start menu going up when you press the winkey
[06:56] <nantax> how do i do this in xubuntu?
[06:57] <nantax> doing it in the keyboard preferences does not work because when i press the win key, what appears is super+super_L
[06:57] <thyrax> yes soldats thanks alot :)
[06:57] <soldats> gksudo gedit /etc/console-tools/remap this is the file to edit but i dont know the parameter to use
[06:58] <soldats> i herd alot of people saying the super user thing as well
[06:58] <soldats> i tried googling it but i didnt find anything worth while
[07:00] <soldats> nantax, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_remap_the_Caps_Lock_key_as_another_Control_key this a tut on the mapping keys but for del and backspace it may help if you know how to configure it the right way
[07:00] <nantax> soldats, thanks
[07:01] <soldats> i see you on here alot so if i find anything useful for you im mapping keys ill let you know
[07:01] <soldats> in**
[07:03] <nantax> thanks
[07:04] <nantax> im slowly making progress
[07:04] <nantax> at the moment, that is the only thing that i miss from windows
[07:04] <nantax> the win key for the menu, win+r for run, win+e for explorer, win+m for minimize all
[07:05] <nantax> if i can just make it so that pressing the win key registers as super only and not super+super_L
[07:05] <soldats> nantax,  i just read something you may be able to change the super+super to just super and it may work but im not sure
[07:05] <soldats> try using the file
[07:06] <nantax> okay if you can give me a link, i will gladly go there
[07:06] <soldats> gksudo gedit /etc/console-tools/remap
[07:07] <soldats> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_remap_the_Caps_Lock_key_as_another_Control_key this is a small tutorial but its only the del and backspace key but it may help
[07:07] <soldats> or give insight
[07:13] <soldats> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=394947
[07:14] <nantax> (Incorrect keyboard setup - xubuntu 7.10 i386 - Ubuntu Forums) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=601268
[07:14] <nantax> i think that this is it... maybe
[07:54] <CyberMad> there are config of xfce4 panel on /home/user/.config/xfce4/panel/  how to prevent from user modify it ?
[07:54] <CyberMad> with chmod ?
[08:05] <CyberMad> anyone?
[08:11] <root__> hey nantax
[08:13] <soldats> nantax, are you still here
[08:16] <soldats> nantax, i did some digging and ive come to the conclusion that the win key wont map in xfce, i think you might be able to add functionality to it if you do a command "xmodmap -e 'add Control = Super_R' " but im not sure if it works but i was able to map the menu key to the menu button next to the right side win key
[08:18] <soldats> if yo uhave that key it would suffice for you want to use it. so id suggest go to settings > keyboard > shortcuts and add a new menu option called xfce4-popup-menu then you will be able to edit the keys then double click on the xfce4-popup-menu and press the menu key (next to the right win key) and it should work
[08:19] <soldats> if you dont get this ill ask you another time i gotta run see yah
[08:26] <echosystm> should atheros wireless cards be isntalled automatically?
[08:26] <echosystm> or do i need to do something
[08:44] <auskadi> echosystm, i think you need to use the restricted drivers manager
[08:52] <luisbg_> Is Codey the actual xubuntu team lead?
[08:55] <TheSheep> luisbg_: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/
[08:55] <luisbg_> I was searching the wiki, it seams it was the wrong place =)
[09:11] <CyberMad> there are config of xfce4 panel on /home/user/.config/xfce4/panel/  how to prevent from user modify it ?
[09:11] <CyberMad> how to do it with chmod? or any other idea ?
[09:16] <ablomen> CyberMad, i think with chmod -w, but i dunno if it will kill xfce or not
[09:16] <TheSheep> CyberMad: better check the kiosk mode in xfce documentation
[09:16] <ablomen> but yeah TheSheep's idea seems a lot safer :)
[10:15] <CyberMad> thanks TheSheep
[11:41] <FlashWolf> 'morning guys
[11:42] <FlashWolf> someone here knows a nice file manager that uses a tab system?
[11:42] <FlashWolf> i liked not so much of thunar or dolphin
[11:42] <nopcode> wtf
[11:43] <TheSheep> !language | nopcode
[11:43] <ubotu> nopcode: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[11:43] <nopcode> you're not being serious?
[11:43] <FlashWolf> xD
[11:44] <FlashWolf> xDDDD
[11:44] <TheSheep> nopcode: I'am being serious.
[11:44] <FlashWolf> lol
[11:44] <nopcode> lol :)
[11:44] <TheSheep> scratch that '
[11:44] <FlashWolf> _o\  \o\  lol  lo/  /o/  /o_
[11:45] <FlashWolf> so...
[11:45] <FlashWolf> any file manager?
[11:45] <nopcode> TheSheep: are you american, by chance?
[11:45] <nopcode> just wondering
[11:46] <nopcode> this reminds me of radical christians in the us that we hear about so often
[11:46] <TheSheep> !ot | nopcode
[11:46] <ubotu> nopcode: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:46] <TheSheep> nopcode: I'll be happy to discuss my etnicity on #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:47] <FlashWolf> hahahahaha
[11:48] <FlashWolf> so... where's the file manager?
[11:49] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: know any?
[11:49] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: nothing I could recommend
[11:50] <FlashWolf> :T
[11:50] <FlashWolf> thunar: x; dolphin: x
[11:55] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: there was some early hack og thunar
[11:55] <TheSheep> of
[11:55] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: what did u use?
[11:55] <FlashWolf> hmmm...
[11:55] <FlashWolf> i'll look for...
[11:55] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: PCMan
[11:56] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: I use thunar, but I don't like tabs, I even disabled tabs in firefox
[11:56] <FlashWolf> oO
[11:59] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/
[12:04] <FlashWolf> i'll take a look, TheSheep. thk u! :)
[12:04]  * TheSheep checks !u and sighs
[12:19] <echosystm> is it just nvidia-glx to get nvidia working in xubuntu?
[12:19] <echosystm> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:20] <TheSheep> echosystm: better use the restricted drivers manager
[12:20] <echosystm> i did that
[12:20] <echosystm> it says...
[12:20] <echosystm> "the software source for the package... nvidia-glx... is not enabled"
[12:21] <echosystm> so i assume i have to apt-get it first?
[12:21] <TheSheep> echosystm: no, you need to enable the 'restricted' repository
[12:21] <nanonyme> TheSheep, sigh, there's a separate #xubuntu-offtopic?
[12:21] <TheSheep> !repos
[12:21] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[12:21] <echosystm> ah
[12:21] <echosystm> ok
[12:21] <nanonyme> why can't they all be linked to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[12:21] <echosystm> didnt think of that :P
[12:21] <echosystm> thanks
[12:22] <TheSheep> nanonyme: our offtopic is different :)
[12:22] <nanonyme> how?
[12:22] <TheSheep> nanonyme: different people, to start with
[12:22] <nanonyme> yeah, i think that's mostly a bad thing :P
[12:22] <nanonyme> the different people might want to talk to each other
[12:23] <TheSheep> nanonyme: it's not like we lock the channels or anything
[12:24] <nanonyme> no, it's just mostly forcing to join channels if you want to have the same conversation with different people and not be accused of cross-posting
[12:25] <nanonyme> and considering there's a maximum channel limit on freenode, i consider it a bit silly
[12:25] <nanonyme> that's all, sorry about opening up ;)
[12:32] <echosystm> how does one get some desktop effects in xubuntu?
[12:33] <TheSheep> echosystm: you can enable transparency and shadows in settings→window manager tweaks
[12:34] <echosystm> nah, i mean beryl type stuff
[12:34] <TheSheep> echosystm: well, install beryl or compiz
[12:36] <echosystm> they can't be installed through some menu in xfce can they?
[12:36] <TheSheep> echosystm: through synaptics
[12:36] <TheSheep> synaptic
[12:37] <echosystm> cheers
[12:38] <echosystm> im heaps impressed with 7.10
[12:38] <echosystm> things come a long way since 7.04 :O
[12:44] <TheSheep> echosystm: for example what?
[12:47] <echosystm> the whole video card thing
[12:47] <echosystm> i dont remeber it being that easy
[12:47] <echosystm> actually, i was using an alternate minimal install
[12:47] <echosystm> haha, thats probably got something to do with it :P
[12:48] <TheSheep> echosystm: not really
[12:48] <TheSheep> echosystm: the restricted drivers manager is nice
[12:48] <echosystm> i mean, i missed out on a lot of things because all iw as running was xfce4-core or whatever
[12:49] <TheSheep> echosystm: alternate cd installs exactly the smae system as the live cd
[12:50] <echosystm> no it doesnt?
[12:50] <echosystm> theres tonnes of stuff missing
[12:50] <echosystm> if you use the xubuntu metapackage, yeah its the same
[12:50] <echosystm> but, the xfce-core package is missing alot
[12:51] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[12:51] <TheSheep> xfce-core only installs the xfce desktop environment, skips all the applications and most system tools
[12:52] <echosystm> ya
[12:52] <echosystm> thats what i had
[12:52] <echosystm> :)
[12:52] <echosystm> so this xubuntu stuff is all new to me
[12:52] <echosystm> pretty cool
[12:54] <TheSheep> :)
[13:24] <ronnie__> was xubuntu first created to run ubuntu on xbox? http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/XUbuntu
[13:24] <echosystm> no
[13:25] <ronnie__> ok just checking
[13:25] <echosystm> xubuntu was first created to run ubuntu with xfce rather than gnome
[13:25] <echosystm> :P
[13:25] <ronnie__> ah I think they mentioned that in beginning of article nvm
[13:25] <ronnie__> hate wikis I always click the bright blue links and get thrown all over
[13:25] <echosystm> lol
[13:27] <TheSheep> wiki+tabbed browser = out of memory
[13:27] <ronnie__> although I like calling it xUbuntu or xubby
[13:27] <ronnie__> TheSheep: *spams ctrl t* what I wasn't looking at pr0n!
[13:28]  * ronnie__ comp dies in background
[13:28] <ronnie__> I wonder how much memory that takes using blank tabs
[13:29] <TheSheep> ronnie__: firefox stores them as bitmaps anyways
[13:29] <ronnie__> ouch don't those take loads of mem?
[13:30] <TheSheep> ronnie__: ah, no, blank tabs don't have a rendering area
[13:30] <TheSheep> ronnie__: but tabs with blank pages in them would take memory
[13:30] <ronnie__> lets see on windows I can have like 250 calculator programs up... lets see how many xubuntu firefox tabs ^^
[13:31] <ronnie__> aww he left
[14:44] <ronnie_> according to this I have two cpus but one is disabled http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46684/
[14:45] <ronnie_> how do I go about fixing that problem?
[14:51] <FlashWolf> somebody knows a magnifying dock for xubuntu?
[14:52] <FlashWolf> except kiba-dock
[14:52] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: magnifying?
[14:52] <FlashWolf> liked not it.... havent manifying effect
[14:52] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: like rocketdock for windows
[14:52] <FlashWolf> or kxdocker for kde
[14:52] <TheSheep> I don't know about windows, but you might try awn
[14:53] <TheSheep> it's work in progress though, but seems to work on gnome
[14:53] <FlashWolf> awn == avant window manager?
[14:53] <TheSheep> yes
[14:53] <TheSheep> navigator
[14:53] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: xfce
[14:53] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: for xfce you need patched xfwm
[14:54] <ronnie_> patched xfwm for what?
[14:54] <TheSheep> ronnie_: there is a bug related to window activation and workspace switching that makes it impossible to switch workspaces in xfwm when awn is enabled
[14:55] <TheSheep> ronnie_: it's a bug in awn but it was easier to patch in xfwm
[14:55] <TheSheep> ronnie_: basically, awn rises its window when you click it, which makes xfwm switch back to the original workspace
[15:00] <ronnie_> oh I only use 1 workspace so never saw that bug
[15:02] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: hmm... awn is nice...
[15:02] <FlashWolf> but...
[15:02] <FlashWolf> how can i add _launchers_?
[15:03] <FlashWolf> or is it really just "window navigator"?
[15:09] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: drag and drop the .desktop files
[15:09] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: they are in /usr/share/applications
[15:10] <FlashWolf> i'll try that
[15:19] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: does this dock has magnifying effect?
[15:19] <FlashWolf> or just bounce?
[15:22] <FlashWolf> and the settings?
[15:22] <FlashWolf> i click in the settings menu item but nothing appears... :(
[15:23] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: weird, there is a settings manager
[15:23] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: and yes, it has all sorts of effects, zooming included
[15:26] <FlashWolf> lol
[15:26] <FlashWolf> right click + preferences?
[15:27] <TheSheep> yes
[15:27] <FlashWolf> ah... do i need the xfce patch?
[15:29] <TheSheep> I don't think so
[15:29] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: bear in mind that it's beta software (or even alpha)
[15:30] <FlashWolf> it's truth...
[15:30] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: maybe something about your system-specific configuration makes it fail
[15:30] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: arent u using xfce too?
[15:30] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: you can edit the config file in ~/.config/awn/awn.ini
[15:30] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: xfce is released, awn is beta
[15:30] <FlashWolf> i'll try ini
[15:31] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: I think you want  icon_effect=3
[15:31] <FlashWolf> oh, thx
[15:31] <FlashWolf> i'll see
[15:34] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: didnt worked...
[15:34] <FlashWolf> could i view ur awn.ini?
[15:35] <[CEI]Zeleznick> Hello, trying to install Xubuntu on an old IBM notebook, slight problem, my keyboard and mouse doesn't work :P
[15:35] <FlashWolf> be right back
[15:35] <[CEI]Zeleznick> is my project doomed from the start
[15:36] <ronnie_> hello peoples
[15:38] <TheSheep> [CEI]Zeleznick: if it's a thinkpad, you might find something on the thinkwiki
[15:38] <TheSheep> [CEI]Zeleznick: or on the ubuntu forums
[15:38] <TheSheep> [CEI]Zeleznick: just search for your model
[15:39] <[CEI]Zeleznick> okay thanks
[15:40] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: ok. i'm back.
[15:40] <FlashWolf> could u send me the file?
[15:40] <FlashWolf> :)
[15:40] <ronnie_> hmm got this desktop computer with EM61SM/EM61PM Acer motherboard and not sure what ram it supports but noticed I have 2 extra slots
[15:41] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: I can, but I think it's maybe for the desktop-agnostic version only, and the default version uses gconf to store configuration
[15:41] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: cuz the my awn.ini is totally empty
[15:42] <FlashWolf> i was expecting a list of properties and values... :P
[15:42] <ronnie_> FlashWolf: what exactly you doing with that awn?
[15:42] <FlashWolf> ronnie_: just trying access its "Preferences"
[15:42] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: http://sheep.art.pl/Sandbox
[15:43] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: try settings->awn-manager
[15:44] <FlashWolf> lol
[15:45] <FlashWolf> i havent awn-manager
[15:45] <TheSheep> that explains it
[15:45] <TheSheep> install it
[15:45] <FlashWolf> missed some installation?
[15:45] <FlashWolf> already
[15:45] <FlashWolf> lol
[15:45] <FlashWolf> finally
[15:45] <FlashWolf> :D
[15:46] <FlashWolf> thx for attention, TheSheep :D
[15:46] <FlashWolf> sorry for ur time wasting...
[15:47] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: got lots of time
[15:47] <ronnie_> well damn even I knew that and I don't use the app...
[15:47] <FlashWolf> hm?
[15:47] <TheSheep> ronnie_: I didn't
[15:47] <ronnie_> might give sheeps config a try though
[15:47] <TheSheep> ronnie_: you should have said something earlier
[15:48] <FlashWolf> TheSheep: rephrasing: sorry for wasting ur time
[15:48] <ronnie_> well I thought it was obvious and was too busy oggling new ram to buy
[15:48] <TheSheep> FlashWolf: rephrasing: no problem :)
[15:48] <FlashWolf> or whatever that means xD
[15:48] <ronnie_> FlashWolf: if you install compiz it has a manager app too
[15:48] <FlashWolf> ronnie_: yeah, but not to awn
[15:50] <ronnie_> anyway gonna get some sleep see you around later
[15:53] <FlashWolf> and i'll lunch
[15:53] <FlashWolf|lunch> cya
[15:54] <SoulChild> hi all,... how do i change the console font on tty1 ???
[18:02] <RandyboY> Why do i get kernel panic when i insert new ram? I have 3x128mb now and bought a 256mb... Bios passes 384, but in boot xubuntu gets kernel panic
[18:03] <TheSheep> RandyboY: try running memtest
[18:43] <RandyboY> TheSheep, there is nothing wrong with the ram. It seems that xubuntu doesnt like it when it changes size on one of them... I tried pulling out so that the original 384 was in with the new 256mb bracket and one old 128...  Is it supposed to take sxtremely long?
[18:47] <RandyboY> extremely
[18:48] <RandyboY> TheSheep, or is there any way to configure it so that xubuntu understand it and will not panic?
[18:48] <massctrl> hello anyone here knows a good editor for some perl scripting ?
[18:51] <TheSheep> massctrl: vim
[18:51] <TheSheep> RandyboY: you don't configure it
[18:51] <massctrl> hum, yeah I know, but the learning curve is a little too steep,..
[18:52] <TheSheep> massctrl: a week and you're fluent
[18:52] <massctrl> on kde there's something like kate, which is nice, ..
[18:52] <TheSheep> massctrl: scite
[18:52] <RandyboY> TheSheep, no i see that now. I put all the 128's in and doing a memtest... now its actually moving on the passed percent...
[20:45] <NathanExplosion> is it possible to use the amd 64bit xubuntu on a 64 intel?
[20:47] <FlashWolf> NathanExplosion: yeah.
[20:47] <FlashWolf> download the 64bit version
[20:47] <NathanExplosion> excellent thank you flashwolf
[20:47] <FlashWolf> np
[21:12] <NathanExplosion> FlashWolf?
[21:32] <nanonyme> hmm, how did you set compositing in xfce4 again?
[21:38] <KX> I need help
[21:38] <evil_tech> with?
[21:38] <KX> atm I'm running from xubuntu live cd
[21:38] <KX> and and I need some way to install it
[21:38] <evil_tech> click on install icon on the desktop
[21:39] <KX> did so
[21:39] <KX> it runs through all the questions and what not
[21:40] <KX> and then when it starts to "install" it seems like it's loading from cd and shows that the memory is being used but after  about 10 min the percentage gauge still shows 0% and the cd stops running
[21:40] <KX> and mouse is unable to move
[21:41] <KX> aswell
[21:41] <KX> is this a common problem and is there another way to install through this cd without graphcal install?
[21:41] <evil_tech> not with that cd
[21:41] <KX> damn
[21:41] <evil_tech> you would have to download the alternate installer
[21:42] <KX> I did
[21:42] <evil_tech> then run that
[21:42] <KX> and it was too big for the cd
[21:42] <evil_tech> its text based
[21:42] <KX> I couldn't burn it
[21:42] <evil_tech> that isnt possible if you are using a normal cd
[21:42] <KX> thats what I thought
[21:42] <KX> it's only 696 mb and the cd is 700 mb
[21:42] <KX> the file isn't corrupt
[21:43] <KX> soooo yeah
[21:43] <evil_tech> sounds like there is already stuff on the cd
[21:43] <KX> is there some way to reduce the amount of things
[21:43] <evil_tech> you could kill X
[21:43] <KX>  running in the bg while the installer starts up?
[21:43] <KX> x?
[21:43] <KX> (new to linux based os)
[21:44] <evil_tech> the program that gives you a graphical interface
[21:44] <evil_tech> but i dont think that will work
[21:44] <KX> through xfrce taskmanager?
[21:44] <evil_tech> cause the intaller needs it
[21:44] <nanonyme> ctrl+alt+backspace kills X
[21:44] <KX> oh
[21:44] <KX> yeah that won't work
[21:44] <nanonyme> note: backspace, not del
[21:44] <KX> right
[21:44] <KX> I tried that
[21:45] <KX> and it throws me back to the boot disk
[21:45] <nanonyme> erm, or were you actually talking of installing X?
[21:45] <evil_tech> have you made sure its not a hardware issue? or a bad iso image?
[21:45] <KX> cd is clean
[21:45]  * nanonyme runs away after noticing he didn't read the situation well enough
[21:45] <KX> and the hardware is just the correct size
[21:45] <KX> lol
[21:46] <evil_tech> yes but have you checked that it is all functional
[21:46] <slimjimflim> should i be able to hit PrtSc to take a screenshot?
[21:46] <KX> oh it's all functional
[21:46] <KX> no problems whatsoever
[21:46] <evil_tech> slimjimflim: it doesnt work for me. i just added a screenshot button to the panel
[21:46] <KX> 128 mb ram
[21:46] <evil_tech> there is problem number 1
[21:46] <evil_tech> you need 192 to run the live cd
[21:46] <KX> I know
[21:47] <KX> of xubuntu?
[21:47] <evil_tech> yeah
[21:47] <KX> cause like I said
[21:47] <KX> I'm running xubuntu live cd AND firefox
[21:47] <KX> I have a linux swap drive that takes the hit
[21:48] <slimjimflim> k, thanks evil_tech
[21:48] <KX> yeah that was the first hurdle I got over
[21:48] <KX> the ram made it slow to even run the installer
[21:48] <KX> but after I made a 1 gig swap drive
[21:49] <evil_tech> you need 192mb to install it says so on the download page
[21:49] <KX> it runs much faster and the poots out on install
[21:49] <evil_tech> well my suggestion is to run the alternate install.
[21:50] <KX> ok
[21:50] <KX> and what about it being too big?>
[21:50] <KX> it may have needed to be restarted
[21:50] <evil_tech> make sure there isnt anything else on the disc taking up space
[21:50] <KX> it's a brand new cd
[21:50] <KX> *shrugs
[21:51] <evil_tech> use a different burning app
[21:51] <evil_tech> make sure the iso isnt corrupt
[21:51] <KX> btw this is dapper drake
[21:51] <KX> not the newest xubuntu
[21:51] <evil_tech> suggestions still apply
[21:51] <KX> right ok
[21:52] <KX> will xubuntu run ok after installation?
[21:52] <evil_tech> only time i use the live cd is if the machine has 256 and at least a 700mhz proc
[21:52] <evil_tech> yeah
[21:52] <KX> ok
[21:53] <evil_tech> there have been people who've gotten it to run on 266mhz 64 mb of ram and a 4gig hard drive
[21:53] <KX> ^_^ thanx for the help MUCH appreciated
[21:53] <KX> exit