[08:44] <kwwii> moin
[08:44] <zniavre> bonjour
[11:48] <thorwil> kwwii: hi! seen the mail from gerry? will you attend the community council tomorrow?
[12:48] <thorwil> welcome _MMA_
[12:48] <_MMA_> Hi sir.
[12:49] <_MMA_> Great mash up there. Only thing I would ask you look at is to try to capture that "bottom glow" that the Human folders have.
[12:50] <_MMA_> That is one big thing Mark likes about Human.
[12:50] <_MMA_> Though, I'm gonna be pushing this regardless of Canonical, I want to try to hit as many cues as we can.
[12:51] <thorwil> hmm. that bottom glow doesn't make much sense in what i did
[12:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: You pokin' around?
[12:55] <thorwil> _MMA_: i'd like to see folder icons turned into something that doesn't just say: this is a folder, but that gives at least some hints at the content
[13:19] <kwwii> _MMA_: hey, just got back from my midday swim
[13:20] <kwwii> thorwil: hi, got a mail from you from gerry :-)
[13:20] <thorwil> right
[13:20] <_MMA_> kwwii: You got an eye on my recent post to the ML? Along with thorwil's response?
[13:20] <thorwil> kwwii: i really thought he could be the right one for at least strategic goals ...
[13:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, I was just looking at that
[13:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: the one thing that mark really likes about the oxygen folder is the gradient from the bottom of the folder to about the middle
[13:21] <kwwii> thorwil: well, he does more of the marketing stuff...at this time things are a bit confusing about artwork
[13:22] <kwwii> we are in the process of hiring people and I am not sure if they know what those new people will be doing exactly
[13:22] <_MMA_> Yes. I've told thorwil. I'm gonna post that to the list soon. I wanted to see what people did 1st.
[13:23] <thorwil> kwwii: i would hope you are still in the process, cause i got no cancellation. on the other hand, it's scary how this gets dragged out, apparently
[13:24] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, especially if they don't know exactly what the new jobs should really be doing
[13:24] <thorwil> heh
[13:25] <thorwil> i'm highly qualified for not knowing what i should be doing plus also having others not knowing what i should be doing :>
[13:25] <_MMA_> :P
[13:26] <kwwii> lol
[13:32] <kwwii> so, if anybody is willing to try it out I put Kin, Dust and NewWave in my PPA
[13:34] <_MMA_> I will in a bit.
[13:34] <kwwii> cool, if you have any problems let me know
[13:34] <kwwii> all three are in one package "community-themes"
[13:35] <_MMA_> Cool.
[13:45] <kwwii> erm, I just found an error, wait for the 0.2 package to appear to test it
[13:46] <_MMA_> kwwii: ok. I won't be doing it for a bit anyway. We're makin' breakfast atm. We're also gonna get out today since Renee is off for Labor Day.
[13:47]  * _MMA_ is also watchin' the news for info about this hurricane hitting New Orleans.
[13:53] <kwwii> hehe, that is what they get for living in a flood plain
[13:54] <kwwii> ohhh, labor day! wish I could take today off as well
[13:54] <Cimi> kwwii: ugly themes
[13:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: Seriously. If I were them I would just move.
[13:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: I think after this it will be a *long* time 'till it's populated like it was. It's gonna turn into a wasteland. Nobody will wanna live there.
[13:59] <thorwil> that's bit of a broad judgment, lacking context and even a hint of what the consequences should be
[13:59] <_MMA_> thorwil: Do you know where Im talking about?
[14:00] <_MMA_> And Ill take it to PM since Im really just talking to Ken about off-topic stuff.
[14:00] <thorwil> _MMA_: yes. i refered to Cimi's comment
[14:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: Oh. You didn't use a name. :)
[14:01] <Cimi> thorwil: did you see the themes?
[14:02] <thorwil> Cimi: yes, allthough not necessarily as packaged
[14:03] <Cimi> thorwil: did you see the tons of bugs?
[14:03] <_MMA_> Cimi: "Ugly" depends on audience and the individual. You can have a you're opinion but saying it simply "ugly" the way you often do just makes you look bad.
[14:03] <Cimi> it is not important :)
[14:04] <_MMA_> What? Your opinion?
[14:04] <Cimi> people can see me bad
[14:04] <_MMA_> I agree.
[14:04] <Cimi> I'm not frightened
[14:04] <thorwil> Cimi: no. if you meant to say they are buggy, *technically* ugly, than this is an entirely different amtter
[14:04] <Cimi> thorwil: bugged themes are ugly in my point of view
[14:04] <_MMA_> Exactly. "Ugly" is aesthetic. "Buggy" is technical.
[14:05]  * thorwil -> coffee
[14:05] <_MMA_> Cimi: I highly doubt you wouldn't think they were ugly if the bugs were fixed.
[14:06] <Cimi> oh yeas of course, I don't like the mix of pixmap and cairo engines, I don't like the mix of dark and bright colors, I don't like their HUE
[14:08] <Cimi> I don't like the metacity with fixed colors
[14:08] <Cimi> with firefox dust it totally bugged
[14:09] <_MMA_> Cimi: So that is more helpful. Simply saying its "ugly" makes people respect your opinion less.
[14:09] <_MMA_> Say *why* you dont like it. ;)
[14:09] <Cimi> I don't care about people's opinions :)
[14:11] <Cimi> the menubar on newwave has a too thick and strong shadow on its bottomù
[14:12] <_MMA_> Great.  Offering nothing helpful but baseless negative opinion.
[14:12] <_MMA_> If you dont want to be part of a team and get along, fine.
[14:13] <Cimi> the notebook on newwave is ...
[14:13] <_MMA_> I personally won't let you act how you want without letting you know it's wrong.
[14:14] <_MMA_> Cimi: It's not for you. Thats fine. We get it.
[14:14] <_MMA_> You don't have to use it. Others like it. It goes in a theme pack.
[14:14] <Cimi> _MMA_: I understood what you asked me: being more polite and give explanations before writing down my opinions
[14:16] <kwwii> actually, there are other parts which I did not include yet like a FF skin and such
[14:16] <kwwii> the point of this effort is to encourage people to make themes for ubuntu
[14:16] <kwwii> not to show off our perfect new themes
[14:16] <Cimi> kwwii: but discurage using ff skins
[14:16] <Cimi> just ask people better themes
[14:16] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, I can understand that point pretty well but FF sucks wrt themeing
[14:17] <kwwii> so it is often necessary
[14:17] <kwwii> FF and OO are the worst apps at themeing
[14:17] <Cimi> I have said in the mailing list that dust has broken toolbars, did they fix it?
[14:17] <Cimi> no, they didn't
[14:17] <kwwii> Cimi: yes, it appears that they did fix it
[14:17] <kwwii> lol
[14:17] <Cimi> here is broken
[14:17] <kwwii> I thought they did at least :p
[14:17] <Cimi> they are still using a pixmap
[14:18] <kwwii> yeah, without a coder to work on theme there is little other choice than using pixmaps
[14:18] <Cimi> I really really don't like the newwave notebook
[14:18] <Cimi> kwwii: murrine supports gradient on toolbars
[14:19] <kwwii> Cimi: well, if these are really going to make it into intrepid I want to fix any of these problems
[14:20] <kwwii> I am going to try and get people who are interested in these themes into a group so that they people can offer their help
[14:20] <Cimi> maybe the best approach is to decide 2, three themes and start working on theme with the whole community
[14:21] <Cimi> on them
[14:22] <kwwii> that was kinda my idea, I thought that putting them in a PPA would help motivate people
[14:22] <Cimi> _MMA_: also remember that the mailing list is not the whole community. if 20 guys liked those themes doesn't mean *others like it*
[14:22] <kwwii> (and mark told me to do it for him)
[14:23] <kwwii> oh, beleive me, I know that
[14:23] <kwwii> the forum is even worse sometimes
[14:23] <Cimi> I would really being more critic on the whole community
[14:24] <Cimi> I didn't want to be rude before, and sorry _MMA_, but when I see some themes (and how they have glitches in almost every program) I become sick, and maybe nasty
[14:25] <Cimi> are these really the themes we would like to show to the world?
[14:25] <Cimi> let's compare new wave with vista or osx
[14:26] <Cimi> ... few seconds for let you thinking ...
[14:26] <_MMA_> Cimi: They are not default and the community wants them. So its great that we have a way for people to get them.
[14:26] <kwwii> I don't think that we will get a theme of that quality unless we pay a developer to work on it (and even then it is hard because there is only so much you can change)
[14:27] <_MMA_> kwwii: I don't agree at all.
[14:27] <Cimi> in my point of view providing such themes into ubuntu is a bad marketing decision, people will say: oh see which themes is providing ubuntu
[14:27] <Cimi> _MMA_: me too
[14:28] <_MMA_> Cimi: Well maybe Ubuntu doesn't care about opinions just like you dont. :)
[14:28] <Cimi> _MMA_: yeah we already know
[14:29] <Cimi> like the neverending trolling about the brown palette :)
[14:29] <_MMA_> And I don't even know if these themes will be shipped. kwwii?
[14:29] <_MMA_> (might just be a add-on)
[14:29] <Cimi> I don't want to speak about my two engines (clearlooks and murrine) but there are a lot of great artists that with simple gtkrcs are able to do (imho) better themes
[14:33] <Cimi> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/download.php?content=80899&id=1&tan=53100537  http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/86717-1.jpg http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/files/screenshot.jpg
[14:35] <kwwii> if you ask me, most of the available themes look very similar
[14:35] <_MMA_> IMO light themes are easy and dont really grab me anymore.
[14:36] <Cimi> we don't have a *great* light theme into ubuntu
[14:36] <thorwil> kwwii: maybe because they're done with simple gtkrcs and no pixmaps? ;)
[14:36]  * thorwil runs
[14:37] <kwwii> lol
[14:37] <Cimi> thorwil: no because they don't know how to tweak murrine :)
[14:37] <_MMA_> I wish I could make dark themes better but its the app writers are screwing things. Making special widgets that don't conform to standards or hard-coding color values.  There's no reason not to use it.
[14:38] <Cimi> because theming in Qt is such a pain
[14:38] <Cimi> and you are asking more of that pain :)
[14:39] <Cimi> _MMA_: static colors, bad quality/precision, speed, limits
[14:40] <kwwii> at least with KDE you can do something a bit different whereas with gtk I feel bound to all these rules (maybe I just haven't dug deeply enough though)
[14:41] <Cimi> kwwii: if you come into #murrine, there's a developer from trolltech who felt sick of kde and their artwork, and started working on the gtkstyle qt engine so he can finally use gnome themes, since he likes them more than kde's
[14:42] <Cimi> and he already said that theming in qt is actually a pain
[14:42] <_MMA_> "static colors" So? :) Its about audiance and what you're trying to say.
[14:42] <_MMA_> "bad quality/precision" This comes down to the person who makes the theme. They just have to take care.
[14:42] <_MMA_> "speed" Irrelevant anymore. This isnt 1995. We cant keep holding ourselves back.
[14:42] <_MMA_> "limits" Everything has it's limits.
[14:43] <Cimi> pixmaps requires rescaling, and that means poor quality
[14:43] <Cimi> just have a look ad a pixmap rescaling and a vectorial image
[14:43] <_MMA_> Depends on where it's used.
[14:43] <_MMA_> ANd how the images are made.
[14:43] <Cimi> do you know how a pixmap theme works?
[14:44] <_MMA_> For the most part.
[14:44] <Cimi> you select the part of the image which won't be scaled, and the center of the image will be streched
[14:45] <kwwii> Cimi: hehe, cool
[14:45] <Cimi> speed is still relevant, you can't say it isn't :)
[14:45] <Cimi> with a engine (except aurora and ubuntulooks) you have twice the speed
[14:46] <_MMA_> With modern PCs, made in the last 5 years, yeah, I would say it doesn't matter.
[14:46] <Cimi> limits are for example: you can't have transparencies, you can't have rounded menues, tooltips..
[14:47] <Cimi> _MMA_: it really depends on the video card, some video cards still performs really slow
[14:47] <Cimi> and not because of the age of the computer, but because of the drivers
[14:47] <Cimi> *but because*, my english sucks too...
[14:49] <Cimi> _MMA_: kwwii: Ken Vermette is the most talented guy on our mailing list
[14:50] <Cimi> even if his kin dust could be so much better with a custom gtkrc
[14:51] <Cimi> kwwii: please tell him how to play with gradients
[14:54] <kwwii> yeah, I think that we will have to work on a few things :-)
[14:54] <Cimi> _MMA_: are you there?
[14:55] <_MMA_> Kinda. Im handling some major issues for Studio as well as planning the day with the family.
[14:56] <Cimi> _MMA_: OT: is there a shot/preview of the studio intrepid artwork? I heard of good opinions about it but I haven't find a sscreenshot yet
[14:56] <Cimi> anyway good afternoon/morning/day with your family ;)
[14:58] <_MMA_> Ill get you a package but I doubt you'll like it. :) I do think you would be a help with some "technical" issues. I don't want any aesthetic changes. :)
[14:58] <_MMA_> But Ill be back in a bit.
[15:00] <Cimi> _MMA_: why you are saying that I won't like it
[15:00] <_MMA_> Because you've said you don't like dark themes.
[15:00] <Cimi> neversaid such thing
[15:01] <Cimi> I have said I don't like the mania to propose light themes with a dark menubar
[15:01] <Cimi> in my point of view a theme should be dark or light, not a mix that tries to remember osx, but it fails
[15:02] <Cimi> (osx has dark toolbars and light window background)
[15:03] <_MMA_> Cimi: A year and a half ago, when we (Studio) were the 1st to ship Murrine, you were working with me and you said it. :) I remember.
[15:04] <_MMA_> But Ill bbl.
[15:04] <Cimi> bye, then :)
[15:04] <Cimi> poke me when you'll come back
[15:07] <Cimi> I was so bad with newwave and dust because they really look as a regression to my eyes over the few themes we already have. 5 years ago people did better themes using pixmaps, now it seems like the community is full of teenagers that should be more humble and start studying gtk+ theming before approaching. the quality gone away. I have nothing against teenagers (I was a teenager few years ago), but before asking to i
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[17:45] <thorwil> kwwii: you might want to also post a link / short explanation of ppa
[17:47] <CimiDS> kwwii, did you find any changes to be done in murrine?
[17:50] <kwwii> CimiDS: to be honest, I am so busy that I haven't had a chance
[17:51] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, good point
[17:51] <CimiDS> kwwii, I mean during these last months
[17:52] <kwwii> CimiDS: well, I would like something that allows me to really define every little part but to be honest I probably don't know all the options that it can already handle
[17:52] <kwwii> CimiDS: my fist suggestion would be to document what it can already do :-)
[17:53] <CimiDS> kwwii, latest versions are providing a schema file under /usr/share/gtk-engines/murrine.xml
[17:54] <CimiDS> maybe they should require more lines
[17:55] <CimiDS> the problem i usually seen is that guys don't know that the can define one engine section for each wudget allowing to mixing a lot of styles
[17:55] <CimiDS> take a look at newwave or dust
[17:56] <CimiDS> menubars and toolbars can be done with murrine using a custom gradient under the menubar and toolbar sections
[17:56] <CimiDS> of the gtkrc
[17:57] <CimiDS> but they are still usingpixmaps, and firefox will look ugly :)
[17:58] <CimiDS> with a white border around the addressand search bar
[18:01] <kwwii> CimiDS: I have been very hesitant to use more than one engine
[18:01] <kwwii> not sure how stable that is, really
[18:02] <Cimi> kwwii: I haven't said use two engines
[18:02] <Cimi> kwwii: use two different istances of murrine
[18:02] <_MMA_> (with different options)
[18:03] <kwwii> ahh, right, I knew that :-)
[21:00] <Cimi> _MMA_: shot? :)
[21:01] <_MMA_> Sorry man. I have too much going on right now. Ill get you one soon.
[21:01] <Cimi> ok, I will go to bed in 3 hours
[23:45] <Mariuxtheone> Hi there


[00:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you go to the release schedule planning session at 1600 UTC tomorrow?  I'm not available.
[07:18] <soee> good morning
[08:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:37] <soee> hey :)
[08:37] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[08:38] <soee> lordievader: waiting for my yerba dring to be ready :) sleepy day it is, you ?
[08:40] <lordievader> soee: Yerba dring? Doing good here :)
[08:41] <soee> lordievader: yeah http://www.mokate.com.pl/centrum-prasowe,loyd-yerba-mate,54,227.html
[08:42] <soee> i do not dring coffee so i have some replacement :)
[08:42] <soee> s/dring/drink
[08:42] <lordievader> Check ;)
[08:54]  * bkerensa drive by hugs valorie
[10:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what happened at bluez talk?
[10:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't suppose you can see why plasma isn't transitioning?
[10:20] <Riddell> kwrited is the issue I can see
[10:20] <Riddell> but I've no idea what's wrong with it, I removed kwrited-data and it shouldn't be needing it any more
[10:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdeplasma-addons merged
[10:40] <apachelogger> thanks all green now
[10:40] <Riddell> sgclark: remember to make commits to kubutnu_vivid_archive branch rather than master (make them in master too if you want but mostly I'm leaving debian merging up to debian people)
[10:51] <Blizzz> is it me? dependency issues on upgrading. http://paste.kde.org/psdxjgdhy
[10:51] <Naproxeno> Hello everyone. I was going to ask the very same question. Package kubuntu-desktop is broken for me after the last update to backports PPA: http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2014/kubuntu-kde-plasma-5-1-1-utopic-backport-ready-and-other-news/.
[10:52] <Blizzz> I am on Plasma 4 yet
[10:52] <Riddell> wibble
[10:52] <Riddell> Blizzz: on utopic/14.10 ?
[10:52] <Blizzz> Riddell: yes
[10:52] <Naproxeno> (me too)
[10:52] <Riddell> Blizzz: and what are you upgrading from and to?
[10:53] <Riddell> Naproxeno: same question ↑
[10:53] <Blizzz> Riddell: with backports and kubuntu ppa
[10:53] <Naproxeno> Riddell: Exactly. Same situation.
[10:53] <Riddell> oh she's put it into backport when it should be in next I guess
[10:54] <Riddell> Blizzz, Naproxeno: do you want/expect plasma 5?
[10:54] <Blizzz> Riddell: full output http://paste.kde.org/pry9wpv46
[10:54] <Naproxeno> Riddell: plasma-desktop wants to be updated to 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1
[10:55] <Riddell> Naproxeno: right, but did you want or expect that?
[10:55] <Naproxeno> Ridell: I didn't want Plasma 5 but I thought I could update *only* plasma to 5
[10:55] <Blizzz> Riddell: i want  to stay at Plasma 4
[10:55] <Blizzz> … production/work machine
[10:55] <Riddell> right
[10:56] <apachelogger> ehm
[10:56] <Naproxeno> Ridell: I think now I can't have neither a working Plasma 5 (missing essential packages) nor Plasma 4 (broken packages)
[10:56] <apachelogger> that should go to next not backports
[10:56] <apachelogger> or well, next-backports (which I'd find stupid)
[10:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: I guess I'll delete the plasma5 packages from there, what do you think
[10:57] <Riddell> ?
[10:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[10:58] <apachelogger> also put out an advisory somewhere ... people should ppa-purge to recover from an upgrade
[10:59] <apachelogger> somewhat unfortunate this is
[11:00] <Naproxeno> Riddell, apachelogger: I've updated plasma-desktop already, which removed kubuntu-desktop and many essential "KDE 4" (I know, wrong terminology). Any tip on how to recover? I don't mind being a guinea pig if you need one.
[11:01] <apachelogger> [11:58:51] <apachelogger> also put out an advisory somewhere ... people should ppa-purge to recover from an upgrade
[11:02] <apachelogger> in your case that'll probably be ppa-purge && apt install kubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <Naproxeno> apachelogger: Thank you very much and apologies for the impatience. This is my work machine...
[11:04] <Riddell> Naproxeno: appologies for the problem
[11:05] <apachelogger> one would advise to not run backports on a workmachine, and only run dist-upgrade after careful review of the intended changes :P
[11:05] <Riddell> one would but where's the fun in that?
[11:05] <Blizzz> apachelogger: backports served me well in the past, but i am careful what i dist-upgrade :)
[11:05] <Naproxeno> Riddel: No worries! I know how hard the life of a developer is and you do this for us so thank you!
[11:06] <apachelogger> that's why I run unstable CI builds that break my system every 4 hours xD
[11:06] <Naproxeno> apachelogger: You're completely right but I don't mind "learning" the hard way. :-)
[11:06] <apachelogger> also, background auto-upgrades, so I don't know when my system was flipped over
[11:06] <apachelogger> it's like a package lottery
[11:06] <apachelogger> xD
[11:07] <Blizzz> package roulette
[11:07] <apachelogger> hah, yeah
[11:08] <Riddell> packages removed, I wonder which ones need to be recreated
[11:10] <soee> Riddell: are you going to move 5.1.1 (14.10) to Kubuntu Next ?
[11:10] <Riddell> soee: maybe later but for now we need to fixup backports with plasma 4
[11:10] <soee> ok :)
[11:11] <Naproxeno> apachelogger: lol. I still have a lot to learn about the Debian package system but broken packages (and asking how to fix them when I can't) must not intefere with fun. Once more, thank you for you work! I probably wouldn't have a Kubuntu to install in the first place without it. :-)
[11:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: were there plasma4 backports in there?
[11:11] <apachelogger> for utopic
[11:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh good point, no there were not
[11:12] <Riddell> only telepathy
[11:14] <Riddell> ok so i'll leave it up to sgclark to put 5.1.1 in kubuntu-ppa/next for utopic
[11:15] <Riddell> Naproxeno, Blizzz: is ppa-purge working?
[11:16] <Blizzz> Riddell: i did not upgrade, so I guess and update should work for me?
[11:19] <Blizzz> Riddell:  sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ppa_backports_ubuntu_dists_utopic_* && apt-get update does the job. I want to keep kde telepathy 0.9
[11:19] <Riddell> Blizzz: yes although I'm not sure how long it takes for the packages to disappear after I run the delete command so do check they've gone
[11:19] <Naproxeno> Naproxeno: I'm on it. It has finished running just now. I'm going to install kubuntu-desktop next.
[11:19] <Blizzz> Riddell: plain update did not, or I would have needed to wait longer
[11:23] <Riddell> Naproxeno: what command did you run?
[11:24] <beluga_> Hi from the LibreOffice QA team. Can anyone reproduce this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83053 (easy to test)
[11:24] <Riddell> hi beluga_
[11:26] <Naproxeno> Riddell: sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports; sudo apt-get update (just in case); sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:27] <Riddell> beluga_: I can't follow the steps to recreate (but also I'm on plasma 5 which doesn't use the oxygen style so it may not be valid)
[11:27] <beluga_> Riddell: yep. It might not be reproducible
[11:27] <beluga_> maybe specific to the reporter's set up & hardware..
[11:28] <beluga_> if you guys are feeling adventurous, here is a search that shows all unconfirmed bugs with "kubuntu" either in the summary or in some comment (15 bugs): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&f1=short_desc&f2=longdesc&j_top=OR&list_id=493104&o1=substring&o2=substring&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&v1=kubuntu&v2=kubuntu
[11:28] <Riddell> beluga_: I'm installing kubuntu 14.04 now, will test when that's done in a minute
[11:29] <Riddell> wibble
[11:29] <beluga_> wobble
[11:31] <beluga_> the LibO QA team has been working like a pack of monomanic squirrels and the bug tracker is starting to get quite clean
[11:32] <Naproxeno> Riddell: Everything seems fine on first look. kscreensaver wasn't installed but I guess I installed it manually back in the day.
[11:33] <Riddell> beluga_: here at kubuntu we're all busy moving from KDE Plasma 4 to Plasma 5 so I guess less focus on the finer details, currently I can't work out why libreoffice doesn't use the kde oxygen style when running under plasma 5
[11:34] <beluga_> Ridell: ok I'll make a note to ask about Plasma 5 on the QA channel and maybe test it myself in a VM or something later
[11:38] <beluga_> I have Manjaro KDE on a laptop and Plasma 5 is already in their "testing" update channel since 3 weeks so next up is stable
[11:39] <Riddell> hmm, another variant of arch
[11:39] <Riddell> one day I'll look at arch and see what makes it so popular
[11:41] <beluga_> I wanted rolling and it has been great :)
[11:44] <Riddell> beluga_: 'choose the "Modify style" on the menu' is that Edit Style in the right click menu?
[11:46] <beluga_> Riddell: yes that's one way to get it
[11:46] <Riddell> beluga_: working fine on kubuntu 14.04 in virtualbox
[11:46] <Riddell> which does use the kde oxygen style
[11:46] <beluga_> Riddell: which version of LibO?
[11:47] <Riddell> 4.2.4
[11:47] <Riddell> package version 1:4.2.4-0ubuntu2
[11:48] <beluga_> Riddell: ok that actually matches the reporter's version.. thanks, I will comment to the report :)
[11:57] <Riddell> beluga_: I also can't reproduce on kubuntu development version using libreoffice 4.3.2, but that's without the kde oxygen style as I say
[11:57] <Riddell> which I think it a likely culprit for the reporter's problem
[12:20] <soee> Riddell: correct me ig my anserw is invalid https://plus.google.com/115409429955408963270/posts/8ruyrfhJ4CE
[12:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:24] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[12:24] <Riddell> soee: looks good thanks, you can also give them this command to tidy it up   sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <soee> ok, ill update it
[12:28] <apachelogger> wgrant: if I requestDeletion() will the status flip away from published somewhat immediate or only when the next publisher run is?
[12:29] <wgrant> apachelogger: Immediately.
[12:30] <apachelogger> thanks
[12:39] <sgclark> morning, ugh I guess I made a mess sorry
[12:41] <soee> :)
[12:41] <Riddell> oh hi sgclark
[12:41] <Riddell> sgclark: not much I don't think most people have backports enabled for utopic
[12:42] <Riddell> sgclark: we hadn't discussed where plasma5 backports should go but I think we now know it should go to next and not backports ppa :)
[12:42] <Riddell> sgclark: are you able to put it into next?
[12:42] <sgclark> lol yeah
[12:42] <sgclark> Riddell: yep, will do that now
[12:42] <soee> sgclark: also update blog post :)
[12:43] <sgclark> soee: oh yes right! ty
[12:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I think it's libkscreen related.
[12:43] <ScottK> Look at it on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[12:44] <ScottK> powerdevil too.
[12:44] <Riddell> ScottK: mm right
[12:44] <Riddell> okular depends on libkscreen1
[12:50] <Riddell> ScottK: why do you think it's powerdevil?
[12:51] <ScottK> It's not migrating, but it may be disconnected from the larger problem.
[12:52] <ScottK> I suspect though that it'll end up causing a problem with kubuntu-desktop migration once okular is sorted.
[12:59] <shadeslayer> brrr
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "emacsrookie (@emacsrookie) is now following you on Twitter!"
[12:59] <shadeslayer> But I use vim! :D
[12:59] <sgclark> lol
[13:02] <apachelogger> :open twitter
[13:02] <apachelogger> dG
[13:02] <apachelogger> :wq
[13:03] <soee> sgclark: with  5.1.1 updates package kwrited-data is ghoing to be removed - this is intended right ?
[13:05] <sgclark> soee: yes
[13:08] <soee> sgclark: ok nice, though there was message, something like: dpkg: kwrited-data: problems with dependencies, removing by request: kwrited depends on kwrited-data (= 4:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1).
[13:09] <sgclark> Riddell: ^ you made that change :)
[13:09] <Riddell> that should be fine
[13:09] <Riddell> beginning to wish I hadn't now, seems more hassle than it's worth :(
[13:11] <soee> ok but teh whole upgrade dinished without further errors
[13:11] <soee> reboot
[13:19] <soee> im back :) all seems to work just fine
[13:20] <soee> though, there was some update last days to kdm i think, after it was upgraded it was set as default, now if i try to switch to sddm it does not loads
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you update https://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext ?
[13:21] <Riddell> some confused people in #kubuntu
[13:21] <apachelogger> valorie: ^
[13:21] <apachelogger> how many pages are there with duplicate dinformation?
[13:22] <apachelogger> valorie, Riddell: maybe we should just make a page commonuity.kde.org/Kubuntu/PlasmaNext and link there from everywhere else
[13:31] <Antisound> hi folkz!
[13:50] <Mirv> plasma-desktop (still in proposed) seemed to start up fine :) other than that I didn't find away to show the bottom panel on both displays.
[13:51] <soee> Mirv: the same panel ?
[13:52] <Mirv> soee: yeah, the same panel
[13:52] <Mirv> I thought there might be an option "show on all displays" or such.
[13:52] <soee> nope i think i loked for it to, i ended up with 2 separate
[13:52] <Mirv> right, I could try that next time
[13:53] <soee> and in Plasma 5.1.0 on each reboot they were moved to the same screen, now in Plasma 5.1.1 seems to be fine, but have to test it more
[14:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah
[14:04] <Riddell> ScottK: new owncloud uploaded for trusty-proposed for bug 1384355 awaiting approval
[14:10] <Riddell> thanks for testing Mirv
[14:10] <Riddell> Mirv: I'm upload okular without old kscreen dependency so hopefully that'll help it move out of proposed
[14:14] <Riddell> Mamarok: you're not coming to munich? shall I take you off https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich ?
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer, allee, apachelogger, ovidiu-florin, yofelL yous all coming to munich?
[14:22] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[14:23] <Riddell> awooga
[14:23] <Riddell> hi Antisound
[14:23] <apachelogger> yes
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: will you ?
[14:24] <Riddell> sure
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> great :D:D
[14:29] <soee> any idea if firefox for devs will land in ubuntu ?
[14:30] <Antisound> hi Riddell
[14:30] <Antisound> Riddell: where's my daily live build from plasma 5.1.1 ;-)
[14:30] <Antisound> hehe
[14:33] <Riddell> Antisound: not yet I'm afraid, something is blocking plasma-desktop from going into the archive and I'm not sure what
[14:37] <Antisound> Riddell: ok
[14:38] <Antisound> already thought there's something like this cause the status is unchanged for about 2 days i think
[14:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: no, unfortunately I will not be able to come, please take me off that list
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[14:58] <yofel> Riddell: yep
[15:08] <Riddell> ScottK: sddm in New queue should you be lacking for things to do
[15:12] <Tm_T> I assume this is fixed/in the pipeline? https://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20141113-1.txt
[15:13] <Riddell> nope, not see than
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: kubuntu_vivid_archive made in kde-extras/qtcurve
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: the debian and kubuntu packaging seem to be unrelated
[15:33] <apachelogger> fun
[15:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we actually do a multibuild for qt5 or is that a separate source?
[15:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems to be all 1 source
[16:06] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to run an errand before the storm gets bad, what is top priority on the long to-do list?
[16:12] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess put your backport into next
[16:12] <sgclark> Riddell: I already did
[16:12] <Riddell> oh rocking
[16:13] <Riddell> submit receipts from akademy to canonical
[16:13] <Riddell> I've been putting that off for days
[16:13] <sgclark> Riddell: did that long ago
[16:14] <sgclark> Riddell: okies I am off, if you come up with something just ping me, thanks!
[16:55]  * Riddell out
[18:27] <valorie> either way is good for me - I'm atm staffing the KDE booth at USENIX/LISA
[18:33] <sgclark> fun! how is the weather up there valorie? we have a fun little ice storm going on
[18:41] <valorie> cold and sunny in Seattle
[18:41] <valorie> unsure in Black Diamond -- the power was off for a whole day before I left to come here (Tue)
[18:41] <sgclark> yeah very cold here
[18:41] <valorie> lots of people still without power
[18:41] <sgclark> ack
[18:42] <valorie> I think my husband might spring for the gas-powered generator now....
[18:42] <valorie> I hope I don't come home to cold and dark
[18:42] <sgclark> hehe
[18:42] <sgclark> yeah that is no fun
[18:42] <sgclark> it is way to cold for no power
[18:43] <valorie> I guess one of the large branches of my birch tree came down
[18:43] <valorie> :(
[18:43] <sgclark> oh no :(
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: piinng
[19:02] <santa_> sgclark: I sent a patch to kubuntu-devel a few days ago, did you see it?
[19:02] <sgclark> no
[19:04] <santa_> sgclark: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2014-November/008910.html
[19:04] <santa_> what do you think?
[19:06] <sgclark> umm I thought we stuffed all those dumb qml things back in. /shrug
[19:18] <allee> If added okular to the affected pkgs by bug  1348384
[19:19] <allee> I check b.k.o if it's already supported.  Any kuubntu group I should subscribe to the LP bug?
[19:22] <allee> Riddell: yes, I will be (well, I am) in Munich next week for the PIM & KUBUNTU sprint
[19:36] <valorie> sgclark: did I already miss your session(s)?
[19:39] <valorie> between the power outage and being here at usenix, I'm half out of every loop possible
[21:28] <Antisound> sgclark: how about the backport?
[21:29] <Antisound> ahh i just saw on your blog
[21:29] <Antisound> it's ready
[21:29] <Antisound> :D
[21:47]  * Antisound updates to 5.1.1
[21:49] <valorie> ok, expo is closing, so if there are still sessions pending, I'll miss 'em
[22:10] <Antisound> re
[22:10] <Antisound> back on 5.1.1
[22:11] <Antisound> thx sgclark for your hard work
[22:28] <sgclark> valorie: internet in and out here today, well more than usual. uos sessions all tomorrow
[23:06] <rx> hi. i need the steps to upgrade from plasma stable in kubuntu 4.10 to plasma daily. https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu is outdated (package kubuntu-plasma5-desktop no longer exists and i must be doing the steps in the wrong order because it doesnt work to just update plasma-desktop). thx
[23:18] <shadeslayer> rx: sure it does
[23:18] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-plasma5-desktop is a meta package anyway
[23:18] <shadeslayer> so if you install the plasma 5 14.10 ISO and then add the ppa and upgrade
[23:18] <shadeslayer> it should work
[23:19] <shadeslayer> also, I'm heading to bed
[23:19] <shadeslayer> niters
[23:19] <sgclark> night
[23:23] <rx> sgclark: you write a blog post about what im doing ;-)
[23:23] <rx> wrote*
[23:24] <rx> on kubuntu.com it says sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next || sudo apt update || sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop || sudo apt full-upgrade
[23:25] <rx> in your instructions you skip the kubuntu-plasma5-desktop part
[23:25] <sgclark> rx: hmmm? daily? not sure that I did. Let me look..
[23:26] <rx> and when i tried to do the same magic with daily (ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable) it didnt upgrade plasma-desktop and apt got confused
[23:26] <rx> also, with the daily ppa, package kubuntu-plasma5-desktop wasnt found
[23:28] <sgclark> I know for a fact I have NOT written about the ci because it is not ( in my opinion ) a good ppa for most people, aka it breaks, alot. it is unstable.
[23:29] <rx> i can live with
[23:29] <sgclark> rx: disable the ci ppa for now. then enable this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[23:30] <sgclark> rx: then go through the steps you read with kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[23:31] <sgclark> rx: after all of theat is complete and without error. you can add back the ci ppa, if you are positive you can live with the notion your system may break.
[23:31] <rx> ok
[23:31] <rx> i will give it a try
[23:31] <sgclark> rx: when you use ci, if packages are broken, wait a few hours and try to update again until resolved
[23:31] <apachelogger> breakage potential to be reduced tomorow
[23:32] <sgclark> rx: and don't reboot with broken packages
[23:32] <sgclark> woot apachelogger
[23:32] <rx> i used to build from source from time to time but i like the idea of daily builds
[23:33] <sgclark> rx: ok cool, well first get a working next install, then you  can ci all you want
[23:33] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-daily
[23:33] <sgclark> oh nice
[23:34] <apachelogger> gets populated from the live ppa if everything built to >=unstable and installs properly
[23:34] <rx> oh
[23:34] <sgclark> nice :)
[23:35] <rx> will heppen soon?
[23:35] <rx> happen*
[23:36] <sgclark> rx: tomorrow we hope
[23:36] <rx> i will wait


[12:56] <manwaz> anyone knows how to put snap in strict mode in debian?
[17:22] <sdhd-sascha> manwaz: what snap? was it from the store?


[00:28] <sergey> hello
[16:18] <rx> Hello there
[16:20] <downHexBre> sasa
[18:32] <bodiccea> A few bugs during 22.10 upgrade (from 22.04) that I noticed so far: vlc, kdenlive, pulseaudio were uninstalled, meaning the sound system wend back to the old good alsa (!!). Re-installing pulseaudio was enough to get sound system working again (volume control, media keys)


[03:36]  * lfaraone waves.
[07:44] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Hi Luke.
[07:44] <Manusheel> Around?
[14:05] <lfaraone> Manusheel: typically I'm not around past midnight ESTZ.
[14:06] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Sure. Thank you for informing me.
[14:06] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Wish to ask you on whether you are satisfied with e-toys packaging.
[14:07] <Manusheel> And, whether there have been issues from our side, which need a turnaround.
[14:08] <lfaraone> Manusheel: Not everything I mentioned in http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2010-July/002667.html was corrected.
[14:09] <Manusheel> lfaraone: I see. Thank you for informing me.
[14:09] <lfaraone> Manusheel: namely, although COPYING is not included, debian/copyright is still incorrect.
[14:09] <Manusheel> Will talk to Ankur, and get him some help from Neeraj and Dipankar.
[14:10] <Manusheel> lfaraone: That is unfortunate. Any other area, which you think have not been covered upto mark?
[14:10] <lfaraone> Manusheel: not that I've seen yet.
[14:10] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Ok. Thank you.
[14:10] <lfaraone> Manusheel: although debian/copyright isn't actually run or executed, it's critical that it be correct, otherwise the package is not distributable.
[14:10] <Manusheel> lfaraone: How about Record activity and Poll Builder activity?
[14:11] <Manusheel> activities*
[14:12] <lfaraone> Manusheel: I have not looked at record since I reviewed it yesterday: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2010-July/002669.html
[14:12] <lfaraone> Manusheel: per http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar/tasks , pollbuilder is ready to go.
[14:13] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Ok. How about flipsticks and log viewer?
[14:14] <lfaraone> Manusheel: the review status of *all* activities is documented on the sugar/tasks page.
[14:15] <lfaraone> Manusheel: any activity with a "r+" is ready to go, any one with a "r-" has been reviewed. (r-s are usually linked to the review on the mailing list)
[14:15] <lfaraone> Manusheel: activities with "r?" are pending review.
[14:15] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Yes. I do visit the page. However, my question here is from a different perspective? How many iterations did you have to do for changing the status to "r+"?
[14:16] <lfaraone> Manusheel: per http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2010-July/002600.html , activities which have not been corrected with proper dependencies (marked by something in the 'works with' column and a debian/rules change) will not be reviewed even if r? is set.
[14:16] <lfaraone> Manusheel: that's usually documented by the number of "r"s you see on the comments.
[14:17] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Ok, I didn't know that. Thank you for the information.
[14:17] <lfaraone> although it looks like some people removed earlier r-s.
[14:18] <Manusheel> lfaraone: That is odd. I'll ask them not to do that in future.
[14:19] <Manusheel> lfaraone:  Kandarp was able to package Sugar core package. However, I didn't ask him to push it to git as recommended by you. Will Jonas be able to approve our work soon? What do you think?
[14:19] <Manusheel> Refering to activities here.
[14:19] <Manusheel> Not core packages.
[14:19] <lfaraone> Manusheel: activities? I think Jonas stated that he didn't mind if we packaged "core activities", just that we didn't do *real* sugar core.
[14:20] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Yes. But, we are waiting for Jonas approval, and couldn't do the sync up with Ubuntu.
[14:21] <lfaraone> Manusheel: for activity packaging, we push up to git our changes to the version we want to publish in Debian.
[14:21] <lfaraone> Manusheel: which activity?
[14:22] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Yes, we did that. But, can we sync up the packaging to Ubuntu?
[14:22] <Manusheel> lfaraone: any activity packaged in Debian.
[14:23] <lfaraone> Manusheel: you can update existing activities as they exist in git, yes.
[14:24] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Sure. We can do that. However, can we sync up the Debian packages to Ubuntu?
[14:24] <lfaraone> Manusheel: yes, in the way kandarp did.
[14:25] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Ok. Then, we'll follow that method for the other activities too.
[14:25] <lfaraone> Manusheel: alternatively, you can just wait for me to see Jonas at DebConf (or me to become a DD, whichever comes first)
[14:25] <lfaraone> Manusheel: we'll get some facetime and hopefully be able to do a final review of all acitivities.
[14:25] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Great. That would be neat.
[14:25] <lfaraone> Manusheel: whichever you prefer.
[14:26] <Manusheel> Yes, I did read your Debconf plans.
[14:26] <Manusheel> lfaraone: I'll prefer collaborative reviewing.
[14:26] <Manusheel> By you and Jonas.
[14:38] <lfaraone> mk. right now I'm working on fixing pyabiword.
[14:52] <Manusheel> lfaraone: Neat.
[14:53] <Manusheel> lfaraone: I am going for a meeting with the content developers. Will be back soon.
[15:13] <dipankar> lfaraone: hi
[15:14] <lfaraone> hey dipankar .
[15:14] <lfaraone> dipankar: feeling better?
[15:14] <dipankar> lfaraone: how are you doing?
[15:14] <dipankar> lfaraone: yup a lot better now :). Thanks
[15:14] <lfaraone> dipankar: I'm decent. you?
[15:14] <lfaraone> good, good.
[15:14] <neeraj> hi lfaraone, I am changing the copyright of aplay.py as mentioned in the mail..
[15:14] <neeraj> hi dipankar ..
[15:14] <dipankar> hey neeraj , nice to see you too :)
[15:14] <neeraj> ^^^^for record activity
[15:15] <neeraj> dipankar, same here :)
[15:15] <dipankar> lfaraone: I marked log-activity and flipsticks-activity for 2nd review
[15:16] <dipankar> btw how is the review task going on?
[15:16] <dipankar> dfarning: How are you? I guess you are at Prague..
[15:16] <lfaraone> dipankar: he's in Paraguay, IIRC
[15:17] <lfaraone> dipankar: did you follow http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2010-July/002600.html for your activities?
[15:18] <dfarning> dipankar, good morning. i am finally in paraguay
[15:18] <dfarning> dipankar, are you feeling better?
[15:18] <dipankar> lfaraone: I have done it for log-activity afair.
[15:18] <dipankar> dfarning: yup, but doctor has advised to rest a little more. (I said 'what the heck!')
[15:19] <dipankar> dfarning: I was catching up with the telepathy tuts.
[15:19] <dfarning> dipankar, how are things coming.
[15:19] <neeraj> lfaraone, for record activity, I should use Files : port/* , aplay.py or mention copyright if them in separate paragraph ?
[15:20] <kandarpk> dipankar: Hi. good to see you
[15:20] <lfaraone> neeraj: if they are owned by different people you should use separate stanzas.
[15:20] <dipankar> dfarning: For a while I am not allowed to use laptop
[15:20] <dipankar> kandarpk: Hi, nice to see you too :)
[15:20] <kandarpk> lfaraone: good morning.
[15:20] <lfaraone> dipankar: I'm looking at log, and i don't see the changes made.
[15:20] <kandarpk> dfarning: wow, you too are here :)
[15:21] <lfaraone> the gang's all here.
[15:21] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning
[15:21] <kandarpk> lfaraone: :)
[15:21] <dipankar> lfaraone: I did have some doubt regarding that. It was mentioned that the changes are to be made temporarily, so I thought I need not push them :(
[15:22] <dfarning> kandarpk, Yes.  I am now settled and will be on line every morning.
[15:23] <kandarpk> dfarning: great.
[15:25] <dfarning> kandarpk, how is packaging coming?
[15:25]  * lfaraone is currently looking at git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity.git
[15:25] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1
[15:25] <kandarpk> dfarning: lfaraone is satisfied with activities I packaged
[15:26] <dipankar> dfarning: I just started with the third e-mail regarding telepathy.
[15:26] <dipankar> :(
[15:26] <dipankar> hope I can catch up soon
[15:26] <kandarpk> dfarning: sugar has been updated on git.debian by Jonas :)
[15:27] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes. jonas is very fast.
[15:27] <dfarning> dipankar, great.
[15:27] <dfarning> kandarpk, have all of your packages pass lfaraone's review?
[15:27] <lfaraone> dipankar: if the activity works in all versions, the changes should be made permenent.
[15:28] <dipankar> lfaraone: ok, got it. Then I will work on them tomorrow morning, as currently I am working on telepathy. Hope you don't mind
[15:28] <kandarpk> dfarning: I couldn't package those already present though I know the steps
[15:29] <dipankar> dfarning: So, what's the final status with the core packages at git?
[15:29] <kandarpk> *already present on git.debian
[15:29] <lfaraone> kandarpk: those already present you can update, though, right?
[15:29] <lfaraone> dipankar: "core packages" that are activities are fair game.
[15:29] <kandarpk> lfaraone: yes, I understand how to do that
[15:30] <dipankar> lfaraone: sorry, didn't get you. I meant about debian packaging for sugar-0.88, sugar-presence , etc, that were under Jonas...
[15:30] <lfaraone> dfarning: by the way, we just got a bunch of bugs filed by geser of Ubuntu re sugar packages that need fixing. These are all straightforward fixes that should be fairly bitesize.
[15:31] <lfaraone> dipankar: yeah, he'd rather you not work on that.
[15:31] <dipankar> lfaraone: So we are up with activities. Great.
[15:31] <dfarning> dipankar, kandarpk I had a talk with manu about packing in general....  I belive that he wanted to talk to you guys in person.  The social issues of working with open source projects is very different than working with a traditional software development
[15:33] <dipankar> lfaraone: one more thing, I recently received some e-mails from debian mailing list regarding some 'acceptance' of sugar 'package'. I believe they were from Jonas.
[15:33] <dfarning> dipankar, kandarpk you are doing good work, but it will take a while to earn the trust of jonas.  That takes time.
[15:33] <dipankar> dfarning: Sure. Manu Sir is trying for our next meeting
[15:34] <neeraj> lfaraone, in latest change on sugar/task u have added that name needs to be changed in s-write-a.. I have changed the name as you told me to but I am unable to see it on http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-write-activity.git;a=summary
[15:34] <kandarpk> dfarning: I don't believe we have worked hard enough yet.
[15:34] <lfaraone> neeraj: I readded it because you removed the comment. Please do not remove older comments, they serve as a history for us to see how the package developed.
[15:35] <neeraj> neeraj, ok.. :)
[15:35] <lfaraone> neeraj: feel free to append to it a review request, but don't remove records of past reviews.
[15:35] <neeraj> lfaraone* ok :)
[15:36] <dipankar> lfaraone: one more thing, I recently received some e-mails from debian mailing list regarding some 'acceptance' of sugar 'package'. I believe they were from Jonas.
[15:36] <lfaraone> dipankar: those are automated emails telling you that packages were uploaded to the archive by jonas.
[15:37] <dfarning> lfaraone, should we fix the bug in the packages in main to build experience and trust?
[15:37] <dfarning> lfaraone, in universe
[15:38] <lfaraone> dfarning: fixing bugs in Ubuntu gets you little Debian cred, but it does help if your goal is to gain upload access to Ubuntu Universe.
[15:38] <lfaraone> *Sugar packages in Ubuntu Universe
[15:39] <dfarning> +1, this is qbout getting upload cred in ubuntu.... which will lead to uploader in the 'package set'
[15:39] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Status in “sugar-pollbuilder-activity” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released
[15:40] <kandarpk> what does it mean ?
[15:40] <lfaraone> kandarpk: that means that the bug has been closed because a fix for the issue the bug reflects has been released.
[15:40] <lfaraone> kandarpk: "This bug was fixed in the package sugar-pollbuilder-activity - 26+git20100521.d4def0b6-0ubuntu1"
[15:41] <lfaraone> kandarpk: over the next few hours the package will build and be published in Maverick.
[15:41] <lfaraone> kandarpk: ref: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-pollbuilder-activity/26+git20100521.d4def0b6-0ubuntu1
[15:42] <kandarpk> lfaraone: in simpler terms, pollbuilder got updated to version 26 ?
[15:42] <lfaraone> kandarpk: yes.
[15:42] <kandarpk> lfaraone: wow, thanks a lot.
[15:42] <lfaraone> kandarpk: hehe, no worries.
[15:43] <lfaraone> dfarning: who should tackle the bugs geser reported? they all are fairly similiar, they involve changing the deps in packages from 0.86 / 0.84 to 0.88
[15:47] <kandarpk> dfarning: by the way, I understood your scripts and now know how to change sugar source and generate new HTML pages.
[15:51] <dfarning> lfaraone, I recommend starting with neejar to build his credibity in ubuntu first.  Others will follow.
[15:51] <dfarning> kandarpk, great so now everthing is working with the documentation build system?
[15:52] <kandarpk> dfarning: yes, just need to start adding the docstrings now.
[15:55] <kandarpk> dfarning: the source of presence service here:
[15:55] <kandarpk> http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-presence-service.git;a=summary
[15:56] <kandarpk> is different from the one inside jhbuild
[15:56] <kandarpk> *the source code
[15:58] <kandarpk> dfarning: and the one at git.debian looks much more upto-date
[16:03] <dfarning> kandarpk, please ask alsroot on #sugar ? he maintains jhbuild.
[16:04]  * alsroot thinks that dfarning meant silbe :)
[16:04] <kandarpk> dfarning: you understand my question  ?
[16:04] <kandarpk> I mean, it makes sense ?
[16:05] <kandarpk> alsroot: Hi. Nice to know you are around :)
[16:05] <alsroot> kandarpk: hi
[16:06] <dipankar> kandarpk: I was about to start with code
[16:06] <dipankar> *any pointers?
[16:06] <dipankar> hello alsroot, how you doing?
[16:06] <kandarpk> dipankar: I didn't understand the code very well :(
[16:07] <alsroot> dipankar: fine
[16:07] <dipankar> kandarpk: isn't it similar to the one provided at  : api.sugarlabs.rg
[16:07] <dipankar> *api.sugarlabs.org/
[16:08] <dipankar> ?
[16:08] <kandarpk> dipankar: the source code at git.debian  looks a bit upto date to me
[16:09] <dipankar> kandarpk: ohk.. thanks for the info
[16:10] <kandarpk> dipankar: I would like others to check it out as well.
[16:15] <dipankar> guys, hate to say, but I have to leave now. Restrictions on Computer usage :(
[16:16] <kandarpk> dipankar: get well soon.
[16:16] <dipankar> lfaraone: I will try my best to upload the changes tomorrow morning
[16:16] <dipankar> kandarpk: Thank you very much. :)
[16:17]  * dipankar says good bye to all
[16:20] <dfarning> kandarpk, did you get a answer to your question?
[16:21] <kandarpk> dfarning: just posted it on #sugar
[16:26] <dfarning> kandarpk, aslo would you mind sending an email to the  sugar-devel mailing list anouncing that you are working on documenting sugar?
[16:26] <dfarning> kandarpk, many developer may be wondering why you are asking so many questions:)
[16:26] <kandarpk> dfarning: sure, I'll do that
[16:27] <dfarning> kandarpk, thanks
[16:27] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll be adding your and Manu sir's name for the team developing the docunmentation
[16:28] <kandarpk> dfarning: will that be ok ?
[16:31] <dfarning> kandarpk, no need to add our names.... you are the one doing the work:) and that is what the community respects.
[16:50] <kandarpk> dfarning: I think I should wait for now as some other seeta team members too will be working on documenting.
[16:52] <dfarning> kandarpk, go ahead introduce your self.  One of the 'philosophies' of open source is 'release early and release often'
[16:53] <kandarpk> Ok, if you suggest so strongly, but I would like you to review it first
[16:53] <kandarpk> dfarning ^^
[16:54] <dfarning> kandarpk, sure:)
[17:02] <kandarpk> dfarning: sent you the mail.
[17:05]  * lfaraone is reviewing record.
[17:09] <kandarpk> lfaraone: for how long will you be around ?
[17:09] <lfaraone> kandarpk: another hour or so probably, why?
[17:09] <kandarpk> lfaraone: thinking of packaging read activity
[17:09] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Ok, that will be fine
[17:10] <kandarpk> *switching to Debian.
[17:17] <lfaraone> neeraj: looking at record, it looks fine except that you have the GPL license text next to the "License: other-X11" section.
[17:18] <lfaraone> neeraj: you probably mean to move the GPL license text to the bottom in its own license stanza and move the text at the bottom of other-X11 up to where the GPL text is.
[17:20] <dfarning> neeraj, do you have time to work on some bug fixes in Ubuntu?
[17:22] <lfaraone> neeraj: what I mean is, in http://sprunge.us/dfRi?control, lines 39 - 55 should be moved into a "Licence: GPL-2+" section somewhere, and you should remove lines 68/69 which talk about GNOME.
[17:25] <kandarpk> lfaraone: http://paste.ubuntu.com/467584/
[17:25] <kandarpk> merging to v87 is resulting in conflicts
[17:25] <neeraj> lfaraone, i think I need to change to rule file.. I just realized my mistake after seeing conversation between u and dipankar
[17:27] <lfaraone> neeraj: yeah, you're right.
[17:27] <lfaraone> neeraj: that too :)
[17:28] <lfaraone> kandarpk: not sure. send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with that as an attachment, explain what you were trying to do, that you've tried to figure out what you're doing wrong, and wonder if anbody has any ideas about what to do.
[17:29] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Ok. here it goes
[17:29] <walterbender> dogi: hi
[17:29] <walterbender> dogi: I keep missing you at MIT...
[17:29] <neeraj> dfarning, sure.. I think I should start  fixing bugs in ubuntu with ur and lfaraone  help and I can push the changes later when lfaraone  is not around.. :)
[17:30] <dfarning> kandarpk, I just wanted to introduce you to walterbender he is the director of Sugar labs and the inventor of sugar:)
[17:31] <kandarpk> dfarning: wow.
[17:31] <dfarning> neeraj +1
[17:31] <neeraj_gupta> got dc.. dfarning, sure.. I think I should start  fixing bugs in ubuntu with ur and lfaraone  help and I can push the changes later when lfaraone  is not around.. :)
[17:31] <kandarpk> dfarning: hi walterbender.
[17:31] <walterbender> hi kandarpk
[17:31] <kandarpk> *OOPS , too excited
[17:32] <lfaraone> neeraj: we saw you say so earlier.
[17:32]  * lfaraone will brb, lunch.
[17:32] <kandarpk> walterbender: how are you doing ?
[17:32] <walterbender> kandarpk: busy with too many things...
[17:33] <kandarpk> walterbender: that comes with the job you are doing :)
[17:33] <dfarning> neeraj_gupta, sounds good,  I will be leaving now to work on the deployment in PY
[17:35] <dfarning> walterbender, kandarpk along with dipankar are the two team leaders working on sugar on Ubuntu.  Once the initial packageing is completed kandarpk's team will foucus on user experience and dipandar's team will focuse on technical issues.
[17:36] <neeraj> dfarning, on which bug i should start working first?
[17:37] <dfarning> neeraj, there were a couple of issues related to browse not being installable lfaraone will have the details.
[17:39] <dfarning> kandarpk, neeraj I will spend the rest of the day working with the py developers will see you again in the morning.
[17:39] <dfarning> kandarpk, neeraj thanks for the good work the packages are starting to look good:)
[17:41] <lfaraone> dfarning: browse is uninstallable because pyxpcom is nowhere to be found, but chirscoulton is working on that IIRC>
[17:41] <neeraj> dfarning, thanks to you and lfaraone  :)
[17:43] <walterbender> dfarning: is it worth chasing down the xpcom stuff at the moment?
[17:44] <walterbender> the webkit stuff is coming along... it gives us breathing room on debian/ubuntu
[17:44] <dfarning> walterbender, I don't think so.  Better to package surf and make surf a dependancy rather then browse.
[17:45] <lfaraone> dfarning: I thought so too. So, would you want neeraj to work on the bugs recently reported by Michael? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sugarteam/2010-July/thread.html#end
[17:46] <walterbender> dfarning: OK. I guess I misunderstood. I though you were pointing neeraj in that direction.
[17:46] <lfaraone> dfarning: (re correcting deps of read, chat, calculate, sucrose)
[17:48] <dfarning> lfaraone,  +1, I would suggest dropping browse as a dep for now.  then we can add surf as a dep when it is ready. when it is ready
[17:48] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ok, bye
[17:48] <lfaraone> neeraj: still around?
[17:48] <dfarning> manusheel, hello.
[17:49] <manusheel> dfarning: Hi David.
[17:49] <manusheel> How are you?
[17:49] <neeraj> lfaraone, I have a question, while packaging write activity, I added python-abiword as an dependency but while installing it just give inform me about the unmet dependency
[17:49] <dfarning> Great... I had a good nights sleep and am now with the development team from PY and bernie.
[17:50] <manusheel> dfarning: Great. That is wonderful to hear.
[17:50] <neeraj> lfaraone, is there a way that python-abioword gets install automatically if its not installed.. like in synaptic manager, it select all needed packages
[17:50] <manusheel> dfarning: We made neat progress on packaging and Sugar API documentation. We were able to modify the source and insert doc strings.
[17:51] <dfarning> manusheel, do you know walterbender, he uses ubuntu on his personal machine so our packaging for .deb will be useful to him.
[17:51] <lfaraone> neeraj: when you install a package via dpkg, it will install it regardless of dependencies.
[17:51] <lfaraone> neeraj: if you use gdebi to install the package it will install the packages' dependencies first, then the package itself.
[17:52] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, Walter uses Ubuntu on his personal machine. I have worked with Walter for 2+ years, before he left OLPC.
[17:52] <kandarpk> lfaraone, neeraj : dpkg only reported in my case of missing dependency
[17:52] <manusheel> dfarning: He advised me on a number of projects.
[17:52] <dfarning> manusheel, great.  once you are happy with the docstrings will you submit them to sugar-devel for the maintainer to commit?
[17:52] <lfaraone> kandarpk: you really shouldn't use dpkg directly to install things, instead "sudo gdebi path/to/package.deb"
[17:52] <lfaraone> neeraj: ^^
[17:53] <dfarning> manusheel, he is now on this channel:)
[17:53] <kandarpk> lfaraone: yes, that is what I did later :)
[17:53] <lfaraone> dfarning: should I assign those bugs to neeraj ?
[17:53] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes please.
[17:53] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok.. thanks for the info..
[17:53] <manusheel> dfarning: We'll have to submit the doc strings as patches on sugar-devel.
[17:54] <manusheel> We'll start doing it now.
[17:54] <manusheel> dfarning: Do you have a format for submitting patches?
[17:54] <lfaraone> neeraj: okay. if you can guess as to what needs to be done on a bug, make the changes to the package based off their current version in Maverick, and upload the debdiff, and subscribe me / ping me in IRC / let me know you're done somehow.
[17:54] <manusheel> Patches for doc strings. Or, would you like me to make one such format.
[17:54] <walterbender> manusheel: regards...
[17:54] <manusheel> walterbender: Hi Sir. How have you been?
[17:54] <walterbender> manusheel: I use sugar-jhbuild for most of my work on ubuntu...
[17:55] <walterbender> manusheel: doing well...
[17:55] <walterbender> manusheel: hope all is well with you
[17:55] <lfaraone> dfarning: by the way, I told you the set got approved, right?
[17:55] <manusheel> walterbender: Glad to hear. I am doing very well, thank you.
[17:55] <dfarning> manusheel, the same format that we use for making patches to packages which we add to debian/packages.
[17:55] <dfarning> lfaraone, no I did not hear that
[17:56] <manusheel> walterbender: Glad to hear that you use sugar-jhbuild for your work on Ubuntu.
[17:56] <manusheel> dfarning: Sure.
[17:56] <manusheel> We'll maintain uniformity across different types of patch submissions.
[17:57] <dfarning> lfaraone, no I missed that.  can you send me a link?
[17:57] <lfaraone> neeraj: bugs in question are LP: #608765, #608753, #608762, and #608749.
[17:58] <neeraj>  lfaraone, ok
[17:58] <dfarning> manusheel, +1 when working with a decentralized community we must adhear to the existing standards of the community.
[17:59] <manusheel> dfarning: We were able to successfully package "Sugar" too. However, we need to earn Jonas's trust on giving us the rights to approve core packages. We would arrive on this systematically as discussed earlier.
[17:59] <manusheel> dfarning: Thank you.
[18:00] <lfaraone> dfarning: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:45
[18:01] <dfarning> manusheel, +1 did you get a chance to talk to the team about that?  It is not meant as disrespect just a matter of adhearing to existing community standards
[18:01] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, I did have a word with the team in fine details.
[18:02] <manusheel> Need to discuss with Neeraj, which I'll do on a one to one basis.
[18:06] <dfarning> manusheel, thanks
[18:06] <manusheel> dfarning: We have found that many of the activities have blocker issues on Sugar on Debian (example - poll, connect, read, write). We'll need to spend quite sometime in making sure that we have atleast a basic set of activities running in Sugar on Debian.
[18:08] <dfarning> manusheel, +1 but the good news is that once they work on debian they will work on ubuntu:)
[18:10] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, completely agree. However, this would happen when Luke and Jonas's meeting goes well in DebConf.
[18:10] <manusheel> They would be reviewing activities at the conference. I hope the meeting comes along well.
[18:13] <manusheel> dfarning: Will be writing to Tomeu this weekend on IRC meeting related to salut, gabble, telepathy and presence service. I'll be working on developing the test plans for collaboration.
[18:13] <manusheel> We'll like to organize IRC meetings between Collabra team and our team members.
[18:14] <manusheel> Will prepare agenda for the next couple of meetings, and will be sending across to everyone.
[18:19] <neeraj> lfaraone, I am confused,these bugs are only ubuntu-specific.. right? calculate is working fine in debian??
[18:19] <lfaraone> neeraj: yes, they're Ubuntu bugs.
[18:20] <neeraj> also all of these are unmet dependency, so I should just add these packages in Depends field of control file?
[18:20] <neeraj> or make changes in control.in and regenerate control file
[18:22] <manusheel> walterbender: Sir, did you try running USR (Ubuntu Sugar Remix)?
[18:22] <dfarning> manusheel, great.
[18:22] <manusheel> dfarning: Thank you.
[18:22] <lfaraone> neeraj: make the changes in control.in so that the proper dependency is required. (you may need to make the change in debian/rules)
[18:23] <walterbender> manusheel: no, I haven't tried it yet.
[18:23] <lfaraone> neeraj: basically, the sugar-*-0.86, 0.84 packages are not available in ubuntu, only 0.88 is.
[18:23] <lfaraone> neeraj: so if we dep on the .86 or .84 packages, the package won't build.
[18:23] <neeraj> ok
[18:24] <manusheel> walterbender: Please do, whenever you get a chance.  Would like to hear your feedback on what exists, and what you would like to see as an educator and as a user.
[18:31] <manusheel_> Ian_Daniher: Hi Ian. Around?
[18:35] <manusheel_> bernie: Hi Bernie. Around?
[18:40] <kandarpk> manusheel_ sir, dfarning: Good night.
[18:53] <neeraj> lfaraone, I made a change in debian/rulses DEB_SUGAR_BRANCHES = 0.88 (previously it was 0.86, 0.84) but while building using debuild -S, then it showed unmet dependency for  python-sugar-0.84 | python-sugar-0.86 python-sugar-toolkit-0.84 | python-sugar-toolkit-0.86
[18:54] <neeraj> not for presence service
[18:54] <neeraj> Now the problem is that I am unable to find where in the rules file, it add both packages as build dependency
[18:55] <neeraj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-calculate-activity/+bug/608749 did not get a same error for presence service
[18:56] <dfarning> neeraj, what is the error report related to calulate?
[18:56] <neeraj> also if used debuild -d for and installed the deb file produced, the activity is working fine in ubuntu :)
[18:57] <neeraj> dfarning, when we try to install calculate activity using synaptic or build it using debuild -S then it gave error for unmet build dependency
[18:57] <dfarning> neeraj, which dependancy is unmet?
[18:58] <neeraj> as lfaraone told me that in ubuntu we have only 0.88 version so we need to change build dependency from 0.86 or o.84 to 0.88 only
[18:58] <neeraj> dfarning, python-sugar-0.84 | python-sugar-0.86 python-sugar-toolkit-0.84 | python-sugar-toolkit-0.86
[18:58] <neeraj> as 0.84 and 0.86 version of these packages aren't available in ubuntu
[18:59] <neeraj> only 0.88 are..
[18:59] <dfarning> neeraj, I would suggest refering to the orginal bug report to see what the problem is?
[18:59] <neeraj> dfarning, original bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-calculate-activity/+bug/608749
[19:00]  * dfarning looks
[19:00] <neeraj> its mentions that package is failing to build bcz of unmet dependency which are 0.86 and 0.84 versions..
[19:01] <dfarning> neeraj, I think those dependencies are set in rules.
[19:01] <neeraj> As I told u that only 0.88 versions are available, so we have to change the build dependency
[19:01] <neeraj> dfarning, i tried to search it in rule and changed one code
[19:02] <neeraj> lemme pastebin rule file
[19:02] <dfarning> neeraj, thanks
[19:03] <neeraj> dfarning, see line 22
[19:03] <neeraj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467623/
[19:03] <neeraj> initially there was 0.84, 0.86
[19:04] <neeraj> ohhh.. wait.. just saw the last line.. cdbs one.. lemme check dere..
[19:04] <dfarning> neeraj, +1 changing that line will fix the problem.
[19:05] <neeraj> dfarning, more cdbs rules are included in starting.. checking them to
[19:07] <dfarning> neeraj,  the line you changed sets a variable so that cdbs will create the dependanies correctly.
[19:08] <neeraj> dfarning, hmm yes i also think so
[19:08] <neeraj> dfarning, after changing the line.. do I need to do anything ?
[19:09] <neeraj> to update the change every where ?
[19:10] <dfarning> neeraj, what was the command that you ran after changing control.in?
[19:10] <dfarning> neeraj, I think you will wnat to runn the same command.
[19:11] <neeraj> dfarning, at present I have only changed the rules file.. and tried to build using debuild -S
[19:11] <neeraj> debuild*
[19:11] <neeraj> it gave unmet dependency error again..
[19:12] <dfarning> wasn't there a command like fakeroot/build
[19:14] <neeraj> dfarning, i can't recall it :(.. lemme search..
[19:27] <neeraj> * thinks he found the problem.. will update in 10 min
[19:38] <neeraj> * done.. after l was just checking control.in... after checking control file I realized in the end all dependencies are listed there.. So regenerated control file and the problem got solved :)
[19:39] <neeraj> lfaraone, ping me whenever u come back..
[19:45] <manusheel_> neeraj: Hi Neeraj.
[19:45] <manusheel_> Around?
[19:45] <neeraj> manusheel_, yes sir
[19:46] <manusheel_> neeraj: Can I call you now? Our discussion was left mid way today.
[19:46] <neeraj> manusheel_ sir sure :)
[19:48] <manusheel_> neeraj: Great. Calling you now.
[20:06] <lfaraone> neeraj: which package?
[20:06] <lfaraone> neeraj: what problems are you having right now?
[20:06] <neeraj> lfaraone, not in building..
[20:07] <neeraj> I just wanted to knw what name I should give it.. as its the first time we are packaging it for ubuntu
[20:07] <neeraj> calculator activity
[20:08] <lfaraone> neeraj: it's already packaged for Ubuntu, right?
[20:08] <neeraj> lfaraone, i couldn't find it on lp
[20:08] <neeraj> i downloaded the source using apt-get
[20:09] <lfaraone> neeraj: well, if it's in apt, it's in Ubuntu, no?
[20:09] <lfaraone> neeraj: anyway, it's at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-calculate-activity
[20:10] <neeraj> lfaraone, ohh.. sorry.. don't knw when I will get all things :(
[20:10] <lfaraone> neeraj: no worries.
[20:14] <neeraj> lfaraone, (30-5ubuntu1) is fine?
[20:14] <lfaraone> neeraj: yes.
[20:16] <neeraj> ok.. l have to add debdiff for all? I mean last time we just added for lucid proposed
[20:16] <neeraj> lfaraone, ^^
[20:18] <lfaraone> neeraj: we're targeting maverick with this upload.
[20:18] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok
[20:18] <lfaraone> neeraj: we always upload to the current ubuntu development release (in this case maverick) unless we note otherwise int he bug.
[20:23] <neeraj> lfaraone, on git.debian Holger Leven has removed him self from uploaders. http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-calculate-activity.git;a=summary
[20:24] <neeraj> lfaraone, should I remove him from control file uploaders field?
[20:26] <lfaraone> neeraj: don't worry about that. Just use "update-maintainer" to change the maintainer from Debian OLPC and regenerate control.
[20:27] <neeraj> lfaraone, Maintainer:  Ubuntu SugarTeam<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:27] <neeraj> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian OLPC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:28] <lfaraone> neeraj: that works.
[20:41] <neeraj> lfaraone, around?
[20:43] <lfaraone> neeraj: barely. what is it?
[20:43] <neeraj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467654/
[20:43] <neeraj> debdiff file
[23:01] <lfaraone> neeraj: heh, I sponsored your work, but afterwards I found a typo in the changelog: dependancy -> dependency :)
[23:02] <neeraj> lfaraone: ohh..
[23:02] <lfaraone> neeraj: no worries, just FYI.
[23:03] <neeraj> lfaraone: ok.. So I will create patches for other three also
[23:04] <lfaraone> neeraj: yep.
[23:05] <neeraj> lfaraone: I think there was just one activity whose  dependency has no 0.88 version..
[23:05] <lfaraone> neeraj: sucrose-0.88 just needs to have browse removed as one of its deps/
[23:05]  * lfaraone will be back much later.
[23:05] <neeraj> lfaraone: ok.. Good night
[23:27] <manusheel> neeraj: Awake?
[23:28] <neeraj> manusheel sir yes..
[23:28] <manusheel> neeraj: Neat patch for sugar-calculate activity
[23:28] <manusheel> Good work.
[23:29] <neeraj> manusheel, :) thanks to lfaraone and dfarning
[23:30] <manusheel> neeraj: Yes, indeed. David and Luke have been very helpful and supportive.
[23:30] <manusheel> neeraj: Can you send me the link of the tasks page?
[23:30] <neeraj> http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar/tasks
[23:57] <dfarning> manusheel, ping
[23:58] <manusheel> dfarning: Hi David.
[23:59] <manusheel> dfarning: Is Raul rgs_ ?
[23:59] <dfarning> hey manusheel have you met rgs_
[23:59] <dfarning> yes:)
[23:59] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes, we met way back in 2008 at MIT.