[02:30] <nlsthzn> my night shift comes to an end...  I have been sending out CV''s like a mad man... but I suspect I need to get my CV re-done by a professional... I am having no luck at the moment...
[18:10] <bassem_lap> same here
[18:11] <nlsthzn> bassem_lap: well, good luck, I hope you find something worth it soon...
[18:11] <bassem_lap> nlsthzn, thanks my friend


[12:24] <trevorv> Is there a way of deleting my launchpad account, or giving myself a different username? I was forgetting about the FirstnameSurname convention when I named myself, heh
[12:47] <trevorv> no worries, I have it sorted now :)
[01:14] <daf>                             c c                     vbn
[01:35] <MarioMeyer> hi.. anyone alive?
[06:05] <stub> lifeless: any idea what is going on on balleny? The tests have halted in a new an interesting way, and there is another process spinning
[08:57] <sivang> morning all
[09:22] <GoRoDeK> anyone knows, why there is no mozilla-dev package in ubuntu on the malone bug report page? should bugs concerning this package be reported against the mozilla package?
[09:23] <GoRoDeK> morning sivang :)
[09:24] <daf> mozilla-dev is a binary package
[09:24] <daf> isn't it?
[09:24] <daf> bugs are filed against source packages
[09:25] <daf> so yes, because mozilla-dev comes from the mozilla source package, the bug should be filed on mozilla
[09:25] <daf> probably the Malone UI could make this clearer; perhaps opening a bug would be appropriate
[09:25] <sivang> hey daf , what's cracking?
[09:29] <GoRoDeK> daf, thx for the info
[09:37] <daf> no worries
[09:37] <daf> sivang: not much, how about you?
[09:46] <sivang> daf: the same, mostly. still working on lp hacking docs?
[09:46] <daf> enjoying my holiday :)
[09:47] <daf> but yes, I'll be back on the docs next week
[09:47] <daf> along with more bug triage, I expect
[09:52] <sivang> daf: enjoying your holiday and being online? :)
[12:20] <mdke> do you guys want css bugs? the recent new interface has loads of problems
[12:27] <mdke> oh well, filed anyway
[12:27] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/6298
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugtracker failed: The read operation timed out
[12:39] <jordi> daf: hey
[12:40] <jordi> daf: 1423 N   Dec 21 Abel Cheung     (  31) List of translatable software?
[12:40] <jordi> can you answer this one for me?
[01:30] <greenpenguin13> evening all
[09:50] <sivang> hmm, I see product groups are applied on production. Interesting.
[09:51] <jordi> replacing projects?
[09:52] <sivang> jordi: yes, I recall some threads about it on the ML , but didn't spot more discussions about it.
[09:54] <sivang> ah nice, there are also more distro's now registered.
[09:58] <sivang> anywya, I'm away from kbd for a while
[10:37] <sivang> jordi: lol, I saw your bum translation email. Is it because H is after G ? :-)
[11:45] <DanC> to file a support request, do I need to figure out the right package or something?
[11:45] <DanC> " Timeout error" https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+allpackages
[11:46] <DanC> ah... I seem to be able to make a support request once I've selected a distribution


[11:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:51] <icey> ahoy
[12:52] <teddy-dbear> o/
[12:53] <icey> but of spam this weekend on freenode -_-
[12:53] <icey> same message from 20+ users
[13:51] <JonathanD> That all?
[13:51] <JonathanD> :P
[14:02] <icey> I didn't count, just deleted the chats ;-P
[17:56]  * Forge sets mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(fix your net)
[17:57] <paden> Be nice Forge
[18:00] <Forge> It's a tell. I was being nice.
[18:18] <paden> I know.
[18:31] <jedijf> and apparently, it worked
[19:04] <jedijf> jinx


[02:40] <friendlyGoat> i need help with my dumb wifi. it was working and able to connect before but while trying to fix my unknowable error that was spamming my console, i am now in a situation where i type in the password for my wifi and it just never connects.
[18:39] <mnemoc> hi, what's the panel plugin to see the applications running? I lost it when upgrading to xfce 4.14 (ppa)
[19:55] <Spass[m]> hello mnemoc it's called Window Buttons
[20:08] <mnemoc> Spass[m]: thanks!
[23:28] <friendlyGoat> looked further into what my problem was yesterday. after experimenting a bit i realized i can connect to my wifi if i turn off its password but when i have my password turned on i cant connect on ubuntu at all.
[23:28] <friendlyGoat> whenever i have the password turned on on my router my network manager plugin just stays at "requesting a network address for (wifi name)" but i can connect just fine if i remove my router's password.
[23:29] <friendlyGoat> perhaps its a problem with WPA Supplicant? i have no idea but jeeez
[23:31] <genii> Does the router broadcast it's SSID?
[23:32] <friendlyGoat> yes it does.
[23:32] <genii> .. I remember there used to be some weirdness with WPA when the access point is hidden
[23:33] <friendlyGoat> i can see my network is available but when i try to connect to it and put in the right password and everything it just laods forever saying its requesting a network address
[23:33] <friendlyGoat> this started a few days ago and bugs me immensely
[23:34] <friendlyGoat> i can connect if i turn off the router's password completely but thats not sustainable
[23:34] <genii> Yes, it would be annoying
[23:36] <genii> Does the router have some feature like captured portal?
[23:36] <friendlyGoat> no
[23:41] <genii> friendlyGoat: You could try command-line method like: wpa_passphrase your-ESSID your-passphrase | sudo tee /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf   then sudo wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i adapter-name-here
[23:43] <genii> ( and then sudo dhclient adapter-name-here to get an actual IP from the router)
[23:44] <genii> If the wpa_supplicant command fails, it may at least give some useful error
[23:52] <friendlyGoat> gonna try it now thanks
[23:54] <friendlyGoat> what do you mean adapter name here


[00:00] <Thingus> Too much like work... Sorry, I don
[00:00] <Thingus> don't* play well with others.
[00:00] <TheSheep> that's ok
[00:01] <Ultraputz> sheep - new and fun question: is there anything like rc.d that is launched when you go into sleep or hibernate?
[00:01] <Thingus> So, is there any easy way to downgrade, or do I have to reinstall?
[00:01] <TheSheep> Ultraputz: check the /etc/acpi.d
[00:01] <Ultraputz> ja
[00:01] <Ultraputz> excellent.
[00:01] <Ultraputz> i want something that will force-flush gpg pass on hibernate, etc.
[00:02] <TheSheep> careful, easy to break things
[00:02] <Ultraputz> of course, but linux was built by tinkerers
[00:02] <TheSheep> and remember these scripts run as root
[00:02] <Ultraputz> good point.
[00:04] <Ultraputz> lastly, the ethernet issue -- when i use this machien w/ wifi, everything is fine, no glitches. w/ enet cable plugged in (and this machine, this install, has worked fine over enet) title: "the configuration was not able to load" dialog: "you are not allowe
[00:04] <Ultraputz> d to access the system configuration"
[00:04] <Thingus> Hrm...
[00:04] <Thingus> I just discovered that acpi_sbs doesn't exist.
[00:04] <Ultraputz> i checked /etc/networks/* and the permissions were solid
[00:07] <Thingus> What the deuce...
[00:09] <Thingus> Why?!
[00:09] <Thingus> WTF...
[00:11] <zoredache> vidd: sorry, I was away... I did the upgrade while in the gui running 'sudo update-manager -d' the same as your bug said... As for my specs... I had tested inside a vmware vm
[00:14] <Thingus> Well, what the...?
[00:14] <Thingus> Verbally, I'm cursing very badly, but I know better.
[00:15] <vidd> zoredache, i think its a "real hardware" issue not replicatable in a vm
[00:15] <TheSheep> Thingus: maybe try loading relevant kernel modules manually
[00:15] <Ultraputz> thesheep: noticed something -- the raw capture from OSS was 8 bit
[00:15] <Ultraputz> audacity seems to assume 16 bit inputs
[00:15] <Ultraputz> and the error in strace is a broken attempt to read.
[00:16] <Ultraputz> bbs
[00:16] <Thingus> TheSheep: Tried that.
[00:16] <Thingus> modprobe'd battery
[00:16] <Thingus> ran sudo acpi -V
[00:16] <Thingus> No battery shows up.
[00:17] <Thingus> Just says AC-Adapter: on-lin
[00:17] <Thingus> Guess what...
[00:17] <Thingus> My AC adapter isn't even plugged in. >>
[00:18] <Thingus> Guh... Fine...
[00:18] <Thingus> I guess I'm stuck with Fiesty. ><
[00:18] <Thingus> That means I can't even run AWN, like I wanted to.
[00:19] <Thingus> What irritates me is that I was up until 4AM this morning install Gutsy.
[00:19] <Thingus> And my grammar reflects that lack of sleep. >>
[00:20] <TheSheep> Thingus: why can't you run awn?
[00:20] <Thingus> Bug in XFCE.
[00:21] <Thingus> I was hoping that the Gutsy version would include the patch.
[00:21] <TheSheep> Thingus: that's bug in awn, and it's not fixed in later xfce
[00:21] <TheSheep> Thingus: it doesn't 4.6 does
[00:21] <Thingus> TheSheep: The one that constantly brings AWN into focus?
[00:21] <TheSheep> Thingus: yes
[00:22] <Thingus> I was under the impression that was a bug in XFCE...
[00:22] <TheSheep> Thingus: I was pathcing my xfwm
[00:22] <Thingus> Bah, I dunno.
[00:22] <TheSheep> Thingus: the workaround is in wm, because it was easier to fix it there
[00:22] <TheSheep> Thingus: but the bug is awn's
[00:22] <Thingus> So, I can make it work in Feisty?
[00:23] <TheSheep> Thingus: you can download sources for xfwm, patch it, compile with --prefix=/usr and then replace the binary
[00:23] <TheSheep> Thingus: but it's a little messy
[00:23] <Thingus> That's what I was afraid of... -.-
[00:26] <Thingus> And, I can't even find an ISO for Xubuntu 7.04, anymore...
[00:26] <Thingus> Go figure.
[00:26] <Thingus> I give up.
[00:27] <Thingus> Eh, nevermind... Found it.
[00:28] <Thingus> Guh, there has to be a way...
[00:28] <Thingus> I'll try reinstalling...
[00:28] <Thingus> Gutsy, that is.
[00:28] <zoredache> vidd: if you believe your issue IS related to hardware, you might want to post your hardware into you bug report.  Of course it is also possible you had some additional software installed that I didn't have in my VM maybe?
[00:28] <TheSheep> Thingus: xfce comes with a graphical installer for compiling the sources, btw
[00:29] <vidd> zoredache, it was a vanilla xubuntu install....
[00:30] <zoredache> hrm...
[00:30] <vidd> install ubuntu server, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, update dapper, then reboot....then run update manager
[00:33] <vidd> i dont think its hardware related....i think it is the way the install handles real hardware that a vm doesnt
[00:33] <zoredache> vidd: that is exactly what I had done
[00:34] <vidd> on a "fake" machine...not a real machine
[00:35] <zoredache> yeah... I don't have a spare computer to test on...  The best I can do for you is to test in a vm..
[01:18] <prin> Hi, does anyone know where my themes are located ?
[01:19] <prin> Not Apps » Settings » etc
[01:19] <prin> but the actual theme files
[01:20] <Ultraputz>  /usr/share prolly
[01:21] <prin> cheers!
[01:23] <j1mc> hi prin you can also store themes inside your home directory.
[01:23] <j1mc> create a folder in your home dir called .themes  you can unpack your theme files into there.
[01:24] <prin> I am trying to install clearlooks compact, but I can´t really seem to get it going.
[01:24] <prin> oh
[01:24] <j1mc> the same can also be done with icons  (folder ~/.icons )
[01:24] <prin> will do
[01:24] <prin> with or without sudo ?
[01:24] <j1mc> .fonts works, too.  :)  you don't need sudo bc it's in your own home directory
[01:25] <prin> of course, silly me
[01:25] <j1mc> however... putting them in your home directory will make them only available to you (not other users on the system)
[01:25] <j1mc> it's easier, though.
[01:25] <prin> That´s fine. I´m the only one on here anyway
[01:25] <j1mc> :)
[01:26] <j1mc> the folder won't normally be visible... you'll need to "show hidden files" for it to be visible, but that's how it works.
[01:26] <prin> Wow, that worked like a charm. Thank you !
[01:27] <j1mc> yw.  :)
[01:27] <j1mc> i've added some documentation for that which will be included in the hardy release.
[01:27] <prin> Is there any way to add tabs to my console, by the way?
[01:27] <j1mc> ctrl-shift-t
[01:28] <prin> hurrah!
[01:28] <prin> Here I was opening up new terminal windows like a multi-milliondollar company in eastern europe
[01:29] <j1mc> :)
[01:35] <prin> New to my 'applications' I have a little firefox logo to fire up firefox. Is there an easy way to add a tiny terminal next to it?
[01:36] <prin> Not a commandline though, just the icon to bring up the program.
[01:36] <j1mc> yes... right-click, and type add new item, and then select launcher
[01:37] <j1mc> in the box that pops up, you can enter "xfce4-terminal" into the command section.
[01:37] <j1mc> (w/o the quotes)
[01:38] <prin> Done
[01:39] <prin> But it looks like I have to go searching for the program I want to run, right?
[01:39] <j1mc> hi hackhalotwo
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> hello
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> the computer beeps at me now lol
[01:39] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: i saw that you joined xubuntu-testing team today
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> yea
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> Alpha3
[01:39] <j1mc> what all were you interested in testing?
[01:40] <hackhalotwo> well, Just the newest Xubuntu
[01:40] <hackhalotwo> My labtop is picky, so I could only install Xubuntu 7.10
[01:40] <j1mc> filing bugs and stuff like that?
[01:40] <hackhalotwo> that too
[01:40] <j1mc> ok
[01:41] <hackhalotwo> I'm trying to find a good Linux OS for my labtop
[01:41] <hackhalotwo> so far (minus the beeping) i like the new alpha
[01:41] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: what drew you to xubuntu?  and when does your computer beep?
[01:41] <hackhalotwo> 1.) because Ubuntu wouldn't install 2.) when you say my name
[01:42] <j1mc> hackhalotwo:
[01:42] <j1mc> beep
[01:42] <j1mc> what irc program are you using?
[01:42] <hackhalotwo> yea
[01:42] <hackhalotwo> chatzilla
[01:42] <hackhalotwo> within Firefox 3b3
[01:43] <j1mc> ah, ok.  what kind of a beep is it?  just the system beep?
[01:43] <hackhalotwo> system beep
[01:43] <hackhalotwo> yea
[01:43] <j1mc> well, i don't think a program like xchat would beep at you like that, but if you want to get rid of that system beep, i can show you how to do it.
[01:43] <hackhalotwo> eh
[01:43] <j1mc> it's easy
[01:44] <hackhalotwo> it's better than nothing
[01:44] <Ultraputz> theSheep: further investigations: JACK allowed audacity to sort-of record for a few seconds. :-)
[01:45] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: ok, well i guess if it gets annoying, you can get rid of it later.  i found it annoying, too, and got rid of it.  you have to blacklist your pcspkr module, that's all.
[01:45] <hackhalotwo> ah
[01:46] <hackhalotwo> i think i can change it within chatzilla
[01:46] <hackhalotwo> just a sec
[01:46] <hackhalotwo> say my name
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> plz
[01:47] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: hi
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> ok, found the beeper
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> try again
[01:47] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: hi
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> no more beep
[01:47] <j1mc> :)
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> sweetness
[01:48] <hackhalotwo> without blacklisting anything
[01:48] <hackhalotwo> XD
[01:48] <j1mc> woo. i just found the blacklisting to be helpful when using backspace on the terminal.
[01:48] <j1mc> going back too far would cause the beep.
[01:49] <hackhalotwo> ah
[01:49] <hackhalotwo> like winders
[01:50] <hackhalotwo> anyway, I want to start coding for Xubuntu is the main reasion for going Linux
[01:51] <j1mc> cool.  what areas are you interested in?
[01:51] <hackhalotwo> basically hardware
[01:52] <hackhalotwo> like the battery monitor
[01:53] <hackhalotwo> because Ubuntu has a prompt that comes up if your battery is busted (like mine)
[01:53] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[01:53] <hackhalotwo> so I want to try to put that into Xubuntu, or help someone if that project has allready been started
[01:54] <j1mc> i think that would be in the Xfce-goodies project.  Xubuntu is based on xfce.
[01:54] <hackhalotwo> right
[01:54] <hackhalotwo> let me look at that now
[01:55] <j1mc> i'd probably recommend joining the #xubuntu-devel channel and talking with mr_pouit.
[01:55] <j1mc> he's the primary packager for xubuntu.  he and cody somerville (somerville32)
[01:55] <hackhalotwo> right
[01:55] <hackhalotwo> sweet, ty
[01:56] <j1mc> working upstream on xfce would be fine, too.  but if you wanted to contribute directly to xubuntu, they could point  you in the right direction.
[01:56] <j1mc> i primarily work on xubuntu docs.
[03:11] <w0ng> is there a way i can disable all menu icons in gutsy?
[03:32] <dezrik> Is there anyway to remove nm-applet
[03:46] <forces> hola!
[03:46] <forces> como vamos aca??
[03:50] <natjo1986> how do i make a live cd to try xubuntu?
[03:51] <forces> make??
[03:52] <forces> why don't download??
[03:52] <natjo1986> well see that is the problem i don't know what to do i'm new at this
[03:53] <forces> www.xubuntu.org
[03:53] <forces> there you can download xubuntu
[03:54] <natjo1986> i'm already downloading 7.10 i just don't know where to go from there because i've never encountered an iso file before
[03:56] <forces> hablas espa;ol???
[03:57] <pleia2> natjo1986: in your cd burning software, burn it as an "iso image" - if you google there are instructions for a lot of different software
[03:57] <pleia2> forces: try #ubuntu-es ?
[03:58] <natjo1986> thank you pleia2 and once it is burned i can run it as a live cd from there?
[03:58] <pleia2> natjo1986: yep :)
[03:58] <forces> no
[03:58] <forces> yo para ayudarle
[03:58] <forces> xDD
[03:59] <forces> I wont to help natjo1986
[03:59] <natjo1986> again pleia2 thank you
[03:59] <pleia2> welcome
[06:07] <jte091805> Hello everyone! I need help. I want to install python 2.5.2 in my xubuntu gutsy
[09:47] <holo> I am trying to run X session automatically by putting su -c startx user in /etc/rc.local, but I get "connection refused: unable to connect to X server"
[09:47] <holo> why I get connection refused?
[09:48] <holo> and if i make it manually, I mean login in tety, and startx it works
[09:58] <Volkodav> I am trying to install pidgin 2.4.0-1 that I got from it's site and I get an error Dependency is not satisfiable: pidgin-data
[10:02] <Volkodav> Also I created another partition and now I can not change the permissions on it I tried chown a+rw /dev/sda3
[10:02] <Volkodav> did not help
[10:02] <Volkodav> still owned by root
[10:09] <gabkdlly> hi Volkodav
[10:09] <Volkodav> hello
[10:10] <gabkdlly> I think permissions data is kept in the filesystem, so you will want to mount your new partition and then try changing the permissions on it
[10:10] <Volkodav> chown 777 /dev/sda3 did not work neither
[10:10] <Volkodav> it is mopunted
[10:10] <Volkodav> *mounted
[10:10] <gabkdlly> it may be mounted, but probably not at /dev/sda3
[10:11] <gabkdlly> use df to see what is mounted where
[10:12] <Volkodav> /dev/sda3              54G  544K   54G   1% /media/sda3
[10:12] <gabkdlly> there you go :)
[10:13] <gabkdlly> you may already have write access
[10:13] <Volkodav> well I did chown 777 /media/sda3
[10:13] <gabkdlly> did it work?
[10:13] <Volkodav> lemme try umount it
[10:13] <Volkodav> not yet
[10:14] <Volkodav> nope
[10:14] <Volkodav> still no go
[10:14] <Volkodav> umount/mount didi not help
[10:14] <Volkodav> darn it
[10:15] <Volkodav> wtf - easy shit does not work]
[10:15] <gabkdlly> I have to admit, I don't know what 777 does
[10:15] <Volkodav> Iprobably need to change group too
[10:15] <gabkdlly> but if you want to change the permissions on something owned by root, you would have to do sudo chown ...
[10:15] <Volkodav> I created root myself
[10:16] <gabkdlly> huh?
[10:16] <Volkodav> created root account and password
[10:17] <gabkdlly> oh, ok
[10:18] <gabkdlly> so, I guess you are logged in as root?
[10:18] <Volkodav> nope
[10:18] <Volkodav> I need to access this partiton as user
[10:19] <gabkdlly> then you either have to sudo or log in as root in order to change permissions on a file owned by root
[10:19] <Volkodav> as root I have full access to it
[10:19] <Volkodav> right
[10:19] <Volkodav> I did that
[10:19] <gabkdlly> ok
[10:19] <gabkdlly> and it did not work?
[10:19] <Volkodav> and it still does not allow to write
[10:19] <Volkodav> no
[10:20] <Volkodav> not for the user
[10:21] <gabkdlly> what does "ls -l /media/sda3" say?
[10:22] <gabkdlly> sorry, I meant "ls -l /media/"
[10:22] <Volkodav> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2008-03-07 15:46
[10:23] <Volkodav> maybe this will help  chmod ugo+rwx /media/sda3
[10:24] <Volkodav> yeap
[10:24] <Volkodav> it worked finally
[10:24] <gabkdlly> cool :)
[10:24] <Volkodav> Thanks for your help gabkdlly
[10:25] <gabkdlly> about your pidgin problem, I guess you will have to get the pidgin-data package from somewhere, maybe a good place to start is asking around at the place where you got the pidgin package
[10:25] <Volkodav> their site lol
[10:25] <Volkodav> I'll look into it
[10:25] <gabkdlly> oh :)
[10:25] <gabkdlly> are you installing from source then?
[10:25] <gabkdlly> I did not see any debian packages on their download page
[10:26] <Volkodav> no - just grabbed ubuntu package
[10:27] <Volkodav> from softpedia I think
[10:27] <Volkodav> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Pidgin-Download-6.html
[10:29] <gabkdlly> there is a pidgin-data package in the repositories, maybe it would work for you
[10:29] <Volkodav> it might - lemme check
[10:30] <Volkodav> says I already have the newest versioin
[10:31] <gabkdlly> did you try the "Ubuntu 7.10 DEB ALL (Data)" package on your link above ?
[10:32] <Volkodav> nope
[10:32] <Volkodav> I will
[10:35] <Volkodav> it worked
[10:37] <gabkdlly> sweet :)
[10:39] <feanorek> hi, can anyone can tell me why after i installed the restricted ATi drivers, everything is very small in xubuntu ?? When im using firefox i even cant see what im typing into the google search bar !! Chaning font size helps only for the xfce menu,programs etc. but not for firefox @!!
[10:40] <TheSheep> feanorek: apparently the drivers detecs your monitor's dpi wrong
[10:40] <TheSheep> feanorek: shame they cannot be patched
[10:40] <TheSheep> feanorek: but you can force dpi
[10:41] <feanorek> TheSheep, thats possible because ive got an laptop wioth 15,4 inch
[10:41] <feanorek> TheSheep, 1280x800
[10:42] <TheSheep> feanorek: the best way, I think, is to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify your monitor size (physical) in the monitor section
[10:43] <feanorek> TheSheep, what u mean with physical ?
[10:44] <TheSheep> feanorek: real-world
[10:44] <TheSheep> feanorek: take a measure tape and check how large your display is
[10:45] <TheSheep> alternatively, you can try displaing the proprietary drivers and chcking the size with xrandr
[10:45] <feanorek> TheSheep, but whats the command to enter this in xorg ?? width"xxx" length"xxx" or what/
[10:46]  * TheSheep consults 'man xorg.conf'
[10:46] <feanorek> k
[10:46] <TheSheep>  DisplaySize  width height
[10:46] <feanorek> thanks
[10:46] <TheSheep> in millimeters
[10:58] <feanor__> TheSheep, thanks it working well !!!
[11:21] <holo> howto startx automatically without logging manually? I tried su -c startx user but I get connection refused
[11:29] <gabkdlly> it is possible to configure gdm to log one user in automatically
[11:31] <gabkdlly> Applications -> Settings -> Login Window
[11:32] <gabkdlly> then look under the "Security" tab
[12:06] <doktoreas> anyone can suggest a nice python ide for Xubuntu?
[12:06] <doktoreas> without installing too many package
[12:06] <TheSheep> doktoreas: what do you mean by 'nice'?
[12:06] <TheSheep> doktoreas: I like vim foe example...
[12:07] <TheSheep> for*
[12:07] <doktoreas> yep sorry..nice was not the right term :D
[12:07] <doktoreas> i need just syntax highlight
[12:07] <TheSheep> doktoreas: gedit, scite, geany
[12:08] <doktoreas> thx TheSheep I'll check it out
[12:08] <TheSheep> doktoreas: of course vim does syntax highlighting, and you can use cream if you're not vim-compatible
[13:51] <Parsec300> Hi ppl, how do you enable remote desktop in xubuntu?
[13:52] <maxamillion> Parsec300: you want people to be able to connect to your desktop remotely?
[13:59] <Parsec300> maxamillion, yes
[13:59] <Parsec300> maxamillion, Actually, I want to be able to connect to a desktop on my other computer.
[14:04] <TheSheep> Parsec300: then just do 'rdesktop address-of-the-other-computer'
[14:28] <Parsec300> TheSheep, I want another computer (OSX Leopard) to VNC into a xubuntu computer.
[14:28] <TheSheep> Parsec300: vnc or remote desktop? those are completely different things...
[14:29] <Parsec300> TheSheep, I thought that remote desktop works via VNC. At least, in Ubuntu it works through VNC. I have no problem connecting to ubuntu.
[14:30] <TheSheep> Parsec300: Remote Desktop (tm) is a technology developed and patented by Microsoft
[14:31] <TheSheep> VNC, NX, and even remote X11 sessiosn are similar technologie for similar goals, but not necessarily related to that company :)
[14:31] <TheSheep> !vnc
[14:31] <Parsec300> TheSheep, ok, I see what you mean. Ok then, I would like to VNC into xubuntu
[14:31] <ubotwo> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[14:32] <TheSheep> argh, defeated by a bot :D
[14:33] <Parsec300> I've VNC'd into an Ubuntu machine via OSX before, even through ssh, but it doesn't work with xubuntu so far.
[14:33] <TheSheep> Parsec300: you need to have the server running
[14:33] <TheSheep> Parsec300: I think xubuntu doesn't start it by default (not sure if it even installs it)
[14:36] <Parsec300> I've installed VNC4server.
[14:39] <TheSheep> Parsec300: have you configured it and started?
[14:40] <Parsec300> I've run vncserver and trying now.
[14:40] <Parsec300> I've got to go. Be back later. Thanks.
[15:45] <jals> hey is the xubuntu desktop version a live cd too? so i can try it first before installing?
[15:45] <TheSheep> jals: yes
[15:46] <jals> tidy, thanks
[15:52] <indrak> hi folks, how to open the debconf?
[16:44] <feanorek> hi, can anyone tell me where was the directory from where i can delete shortcuts in the xfce menu ?? was it /usr/share or something ?
[16:45] <TheSheep> feanorek: /usr/share/applications, but it's better to copy them to your ~/.local/share/applications and add hidden=yes to them
[16:45] <TheSheep> feanorek: this way you don't impact other users and don't have to repeat it after every update
[16:45] <feanorek> TheSheep, yo thanks !
[16:49] <prin> How do I check my partitions? I think I might have some leftover space hidden on another partition
[16:50] <prin> Nevermind, I just opened gparted, and it seems I
[16:51] <prin> ve got like 1gb of swap or something
[17:00] <Thingus> Okay, so I'm running Feisty, and every time I right click on the desktop, xfdesktop segfaults.
[17:00] <TheSheep> !bug
[17:00] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:44] <alucardromero> What's the command to query hard drive space??  I forgot.
[17:44] <alucardromero> I'm in TTY
[17:46] <entity> what do i typ to edit xorg.conf from terminal?
[17:46] <feanorek> what modules shall my /etc/X11/xorg.conf load ?? Because i've got only one section: 	Load		"glx" and thats all... im using ATi Mobility Radeon. Can someone tell me?
[17:48] <entity> nvm, didnt got gedit
[17:49] <alucardromero> entity: sudo vim /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[17:50] <TheSheep> alucardromero: that's a pretty bad advice, without telling how to use vim
[17:51] <TheSheep> alucardromero: the command to show free space is df
[17:51] <Parsec300> entity, you can also type 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[17:52] <Parsec300> entity, nano is a more user-friendly editor than vim!
[18:24] <entity> Parsec300: i didnt get nano :D
[18:25] <entity> I installed envy recently, how do I check graphic card info from terminal?
[18:28] <Parsec300> entity, isn't nano installed by default?
[18:29] <entity> get = understand :D but i checked it for like 2sec :D
[18:30] <entity> Parsec300: whats up with ^V etc? how do i press ^V?
[18:30] <Parsec300> nano isn't that dificult. It's sort of a notepad. You can use the keys at the bottom of the screen with the CTRL button
[18:30] <Parsec300> CTRL-V
[18:31] <entity> aha.. and just type the changes as I whant?
[18:32] <entity> well.. that was quite nice :D
[18:32] <entity> but what do i type to check my drivers info in terminal?
[18:33] <entity> -graphic drivers that is
[18:34] <Parsec300> entity. I forgot what to type.
[18:34] <Parsec300> But there's a ton of info on the ubuntu forums about this subject.
[18:34] <Parsec300> What card do you have?
[18:35] <entity> ati igp 340m
[18:35] <entity> ..integrated, and with no support in linux
[18:36] <Parsec300> entity, perhaps for you it is better to stick with the open source ATi driver.
[18:38] <entity> Parsec300: i have tried everything, it seems like. dont remember if i tried open source though
[18:40] <entity> well gonna reboot now after installing envy, hopfully the computer will start correctly :D
[18:40] <Parsec300> good luck
[18:41] <entity> thx
[21:01] <slow-motion> hi
[21:17] <Ven]n> when is /tmp/ cleared?
[21:23] <Thingus> This is why I love Linux
[21:23] <Thingus> I have Avant, custom XFWM, conky and all kinds of nifty stuff going, not even using half my RAM.
[21:23] <Thingus> This laptop is pretty slick.
[21:31] <zoredache> Ven]n: /tmp is usually cleaned when the computer reboots...
[21:32] <Ven]n> ok
[21:33] <zoredache> see the files /etc/init.d/bootmisk.sh and /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh
[21:34] <zoredache> sorry, /etc/init.d/bootclean
[21:44] <slow-motion> n8
[22:11] <entity> so, anyone knows any must have programs?
[22:13] <uninvited> entity i'd say "vi"
[22:13] <entity> uninvited: is that a program name?
[22:13] <sudobash> nano k3b vlc xmms
[22:14] <sudobash> entity yes vi
[22:14] <sudobash> sudo apt-get install vi
[22:14] <entity> is there any cool laptop specific programs? i wouldn't what that could be.. just nice to know :D
[22:14] <sudobash> actually sudo apt-get install vi nano k3b vlc xmms
[22:14] <sudobash> k3b is for cd and DVD burning
[22:15] <sudobash> vi and nano are editors
[22:15] <sudobash> vlc and xmms are media players
[22:15] <entity> aha.. nano comes as standard right?
[22:15] <sudobash> and while your at it through in lynx
[22:15] <sudobash> it is for terminal HTTP and if you are going to do that you might as well get BitchX also for terminal IRC
[22:15] <entity> is it possible to install all apps with sudo apt-get install name
[22:16] <sudobash> a lot of them... other you need to add the appropriate repositories
[22:16] <sudobash> others*
[22:16] <entity> i have tried irssi (or whats its calld) and i liked thatone
[22:16] <sudobash> Xchat is good its what im using now
[22:16] <entity> sudobash: okey
[22:17] <entity> im using konversation, i liked that one
[22:17] <sudobash> yeah i have used both
[22:17] <entity> hmm so the list to install is: k3b, vlc, xmms, vi - do i really need lynx, i never go ungraphic :D
[22:18] <sudobash> Xchat has real time spelling correction
[22:18] <sudobash> yeah lynx is helpful is X crashes and BitchX
[22:18] <sudobash> thats just me though
[22:18] <sudobash> if*
[22:19] <entity> yeah, but i liked konversations layout and settings more than xchat. konversation is more like mirc
[22:19] <sudobash> true
[22:19] <entity> okey.. lynx it is :D but thats text-based browser right?
[22:19] <sudobash> I used to script hardcore in mIRC like live streams into IRC of encrypted code
[22:20] <sudobash> it is powerful you just have to know how to use it properly but mIRC is extremely buggy
[22:20] <sudobash> maybe worse than windows itself
[22:20] <entity> oh , never noticed. i just scripted some bots :D
[22:21] <sudobash> well i was using other code outside of mIRC and it didnt like that much
[22:21] <sudobash> back in the old days
[22:22] <entity> would be nice to have some developing tools, just to see the interface and take a look around :D i dont know anything about linux, but still. a better way to learn :D
[22:22] <sudobash> then add build-essential
[22:22] <entity> what's that?
[22:22] <sudobash> it is easier to code terminal C and C++ apps in linux than in windows
[22:22] <sudobash> by far
[22:23] <entity> oh C# i know enough to work with webdeveloping, and c++ is not long away from c# :D
[22:24] <sudobash> yeah but c# is windows
[22:24] <sudobash> but true
[22:24] <entity> oh, it's C
[22:24] <entity> but developing in c++ should work then
[22:24] <sudobash> yeah but I started with embedded C then went to C then went to C++
[22:24] <entity> okey
[22:25] <sudobash> doesntmatterimstoned
[22:25] <sudobash> you dont have a big gui inlinux  you are basically writing the code in gedit or nano and then compile with gcc or g++ like g++ filename.cpp
[22:26] <entity> the onlything i dont like in linux is the fact it's not windows :D i need flash, visual studio, photoshop, illustrator so i can work from home, and learn more stuff. I just love visual studios
[22:26] <sudobash> yeah visual studios is nice but you should be able to get flash and photoshop and maybe illustrator to work with wine or cedega
[22:27] <entity> oh.. no graphic interface.. that's a bit sad though it's easto learn in graphic-modes
[22:27] <sudobash> you can install GUI
[22:27] <sudobash> but i prefer writing terminal applications that dont need a GUI
[22:27] <sudobash> more efficient for some things
[22:27] <entity> oh, well maybe gUI sound like a good ideá from the beginning
[22:28] <entity> ...w8 a minute, are you stoned :D
[22:28] <sudobash> lol
[22:28] <entity> ^^
[22:29] <sudobash> wait i will give you a good long sudo nano apt-get wait one second
[22:29] <entity> kk
[22:36] <entity> i have heard that linux dont play mp3, and maybe some video formats.. whats the standard for linux. is there someway to convert my windows files. or maybe vlc can play all formats
[22:37] <Ven]n> entity, vlc can play all formats, yes
[22:37] <Ven]n> so can mplayer
[22:37] <entity> oh so its just like in windows
[22:37] <entity> xmms that i installed?
[22:37] <sudobash> sudo apt-get install k3b build-essential xmms vlc wine nmap ssh gftp gpaint
[22:38] <sudobash> and install http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[22:38] <sudobash> no wait
[22:38] <entity> w8ng
[22:38] <sudobash> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646
[22:38] <entity> so, plz explain.. :D whats that :D
[22:38] <sudobash> automatix
[22:38] <sudobash> it installs a lot of things that you will want and some that you will not
[22:39] <sudobash> but you decide what to install
[22:39] <entity> should i type sudo in terminal and then dl from the second link ?
[22:39] <sudobash> no follow the directions at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646 for automatix but for mine you just copy and paste and takeyou xmms since you already installed them
[22:39] <sudobash> it*
[22:42] <entity> is the website down?
[22:42] <entity> the automatix
[22:45] <entity> well that sux..
[22:47] <sudobash> try going through synaptic to get int
[22:47] <sudobash> maybe you will get lucky
[22:49] <entity> rememeber, im new at linux :D
[22:54] <entity> any programs for my network thats good to have?
[22:56] <sudobash> nmap
[22:56] <sudobash> nessus
[22:56] <sudobash> ssh
[22:57] <sudobash> gftp
[22:58] <entity> sudobash: omg your like an open book of software :D
[22:59] <entity> is it as easy to unistall programs as it is to install them?
[23:02] <sudobash> sudo apt-get remove name
[23:02] <sudobash> yeap:)
[23:03] <sudobash> and it catches all the libraries and everything
[23:03] <entity> hehe nice. that's like the softest thing in linux.. no need to keepup to softwaredevelopers websites
[23:03] <sudobash> debian rocks
[23:03] <sudobash> debian and slackware is all you need
[23:03] <sudobash> :)
[23:03] <entity> ..whats up with debian?
[23:14] <sudobash> Ubuntu is based on debian
[23:14] <sudobash> like Back|Track is based on Slackware
[23:20] <entity> like windows is based by evil :D
[23:35] <sudobash> lol
[23:58] <entity> nn


[06:21] <micahg> slangasek: BTW, aptitude seems to fail miserably at multiarch deps
[06:22] <slangasek> micahg: oh?
[06:22] <micahg> yeah
[06:24] <micahg> oh, maybe not, I'm confused now...well, I have the old e-d-s-common installed
[06:25] <micahg> before I installed all the i386 libs for flashplugin, it used to be able to resolve the dependencies, now it wants to remove a lot of stuff
[06:27] <slangasek> hmm
[06:27] <slangasek> how are you invoking aptitude? interactively, or commandline?
[06:28] <micahg> interactive
[06:44] <slangasek> well, I certainly get a lot of error output whenever I try to change the state of a package
[06:57] <StevenK> slangasek: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/libao_1.1.0-2.debdiff
[06:59] <slangasek> StevenK: LGTM; mark libao4 Multi-Arch: same, and send it to Debian?
[06:59] <StevenK> slangasek: But what about the -dev changes?
[06:59] <slangasek> what about them?
[07:00] <StevenK> I had to move where the .a files are and so on, is that a problem?
[07:00] <StevenK> I'm also a little concern about the plugins
[07:00] <slangasek> nope; already allowed for by policy, and the standard way to go about it - it does mean that it may break reverse-build-depends, though, so you shouldn't upload to oneiric without an FFe
[07:01] <slangasek> what worries you about the plugins?
[07:01] <StevenK> slangasek: That the path changed
[07:01] <slangasek> well, I was assuming you had tested that the library still finds its plugins ;)
[07:02] <StevenK> slangasek: I haven't yet, I wanted to check that you thought the diff was sensible first
[07:02] <slangasek> yep
[07:03] <StevenK> slangasek: Only libao4 gets Multi-Arch: , nothing else does?
[07:04] <slangasek> well, libao-common should be made Multi-Arch: foreign (and probably also Architecture: all)
[07:04] <slangasek> libao-dbg can probably be marked M-A: same
[07:05] <StevenK> Yes, it's strange that -common isn't.
[07:05] <slangasek> and libao-dev, it depends on whether there are architecture-dependent headers in there
[07:05] <StevenK> It contains a conffile and a manual page only for pitys sake
[07:06] <slangasek> looks like the headers are arch-neutral, so you can mark libao-dev M-A: same as well
[07:06] <slangasek> that will make cross-building nicer :)
[07:07] <slangasek> btw, as long as you're in here you might as well drop the .la files from the package
[07:07] <slangasek> nothing in the archive uses them, and if something did, that something would be broken by them moving directory
[07:07] <StevenK> Even though it installs usr/include/ao/ao.h and so on?
[07:07] <slangasek> yep - as long as the files are the same across all archs, they get refcounted
[07:08] <StevenK> Ahh, but dpkg won't complain like it usually does when two packages contains the same file
[07:11] <slangasek> right, multiarch handles file overlapping differently
[07:11] <slangasek> since /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz exists in every package, for example
[07:12] <StevenK> slangasek: Good to know :-)
[07:12] <StevenK> Now, how to test plugin loading ...
[10:48] <irgendwer4711> hi, I have another problem with Bug #193507
[10:49] <irgendwer4711> I got this error with  BLK_DEV_INITRD enabled
[10:52] <salvatore> hello everybody
[10:52] <salvatore> anybody can help me
[10:52] <salvatore> with lamp configuration?
[10:52] <irgendwer4711> no developer active here now
[10:52] <irgendwer4711> I am waiting too
[10:52] <Hobbsee> support is in #ubuntu
[10:53] <salvatore> ok thank u!
[10:53] <irgendwer4711> for kernel problems too?
[10:53] <salvatore> no
[10:53] <irgendwer4711> okay
[10:53] <irgendwer4711> then can you help me
[10:53] <salvatore> i am tryng to install
[10:53] <salvatore> mysql on dropbox
[10:54] <salvatore> but i got a problem with phpmyadmin
[10:54]  * Hobbsee has no idea on that kernel issue
[10:54] <irgendwer4711> damn...
[10:54] <salvatore> no sorry
[11:20] <irgendwer4711> any kernel professional here?
[11:23] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: There is a #ubuntu-kernel I think specifically for kernel issues - but always ask the question rather than asking if anyone is here!
[11:24] <irgendwer4711> I asked already ;-)
[11:24] <irgendwer4711> I have another problem with Bug #193507 ; this problem occures with BLK_DEV_INITRD enabled too
[11:25] <penguin42> hmm ancient bug
[11:26] <irgendwer4711> I am using LTS ubuntu
[11:26] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: Lucid or Hardy ?
[11:26] <irgendwer4711> hardy
[11:27] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: OK, so you're rebuilding your kernel just without BLK_DEV_INITRD and you get the same error?
[11:27] <irgendwer4711> no with BLK_DEV_INITRD
[11:28] <penguin42> ok, so what are you changing and what exactly is the error?
[11:28] <irgendwer4711> (.init.text+0x82e): undefined reference to `early_populate_rootfs'
[11:29] <penguin42> and which version source are you using exactly?
[11:29] <irgendwer4711> <IP_ADDRESS> I think
[11:30] <penguin42> can you check ? That fix in that bug went in 2.6.25-10.16
[11:31] <irgendwer4711> wich file
[11:31] <irgendwer4711> dpkg says "<IP_ADDRESS>.31"
[11:32] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: sounds promising
[11:32] <irgendwer4711> ok
[11:32] <penguin42> can you pastebin your config?
[11:33] <irgendwer4711> I try a diff to last working conf
[11:33] <penguin42> yeh
[11:36] <irgendwer4711> hm how to print only diffrent with diff ^^
[11:37] <penguin42> diff oldfile newfile
[11:37] <irgendwer4711> I mean with wide format
[11:38] <penguin42> I think that's sdiff - but can't remember how to get it to just show changes
[11:38] <irgendwer4711> done
[11:39] <irgendwer4711> http://pastebin.com/2KYn6DR3
[11:40] <irgendwer4711> I tried to activate some energy savings options und disabled unused drivers
[11:41] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: Without having a dig in the source I'd suggest putting the CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD back the way it was?
[11:41] <irgendwer4711> but I dont have a dsdt patch file
[11:42]  * penguin42 doesn't know much about DSDT
[11:42] <irgendwer4711> there is a file in initrd that patches the acpi tables
[11:43] <irgendwer4711> but not for mine acpi
[11:43] <irgendwer4711> but I can enable this an try
[11:47] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: Yeh looking at the Ubuntu diff the early_populate_rootfs is ifdef'd on CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD but the ifdef in init/main.c is ifdef'd on CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD
[11:48] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: If you've not got the custom dsdt initrd just comment out the call in init/main.c somewhere around line 650
[11:48] <irgendwer4711> I do a new kernel make now
[11:49] <irgendwer4711> a missing dsdt patch file is not a problem, just a short message in dmesg
[11:49] <penguin42> irgendwer4711: But yeh it does look like it's using the wrong ifdef - I don't know the history of the older version where bug 193507 was fixed whether the ifdef changed from there
[11:51] <irgendwer4711> wait to end of kernel make
[11:56] <irgendwer4711> okay its donw
[11:56] <irgendwer4711> no error now
[11:56] <penguin42> good
[11:56] <irgendwer4711> thank you
[11:56] <irgendwer4711> bye
[11:57] <penguin42> bah, I was going to tell him to open a new bug
[13:00] <natschil> Hello. To prevent all packages from modifying /etc/example, do I do "dpkg-divert /etc/example --rename /dev/null" or is there some more elegant way?
[13:21] <natschil> Alternatively, how can I prevent any package from writing to /etc/example
[13:28] <sgnb> natschil: create a dummy package with a random name containing this file?
[13:29] <natschil> what about dpkg-divert --divert /etc/example --rename /tmp/some_random_file_name ?
[14:23] <cjwatson> natschil: 'chattr +i /etc/example' would cause any attempt to write to that file to file
[14:23] <cjwatson> er, to fail
[14:24] <cjwatson> personally I would be hesitant about trying to use dpkg-divert for that because at least historically it has had odd interactions with dpkg conffiles and it doesn't do anything useful for maintainer-script-managed configuration files
[14:31] <cjwatson> ScottK: I may be able to help with k3b in the not too distant future, if somebody else can test the result; I'll queue it up
[15:07] <natschil> cjwatson: let's say im installing something that wants to change /etc/example. Will that still fail?
[15:10] <cjwatson> natschil: I'm not sure how to respond except by repeating what I said above
[15:11] <natschil> cjwatson: ok thanks. I think I will use dpkg-divert instead and hope for the best :/
[15:11] <cjwatson> well, I can repeat the fact that I do not recommend that
[15:11] <cjwatson> chattr +i will cause *any* attempt to write to that file to fail
[15:12] <cjwatson> dpkg-divert will arrange for a very limited subset of writes to be redirected elsewhere, which doesn't cover all the things packages do with files in /etc, and which I suspect will have crazy problems even if it does sometimes work
[15:12] <cjwatson> the only advantage of dpkg-divert here is that it would arrange for the package to install successfully anyway
[15:13] <cjwatson> (maybe)
[15:17] <ScottK> cjwatson: I should be able to test it.
[15:17] <ScottK> Help would be much appreciated.
[15:19] <cjwatson> most of them aren't too hard once you get the patterns.  xvidcap is stubbornly segfaulting right now ...
[15:27] <directhex> Laney found the mono commit which breaks on some (not all) i386 buildds
[17:04] <SpamapS> lamont: [ -x /usr/bin/dh_apport ] maybe ?
[17:05] <SpamapS> lamont: for the build-dep we can do an | to make it optional, right?
[17:53] <broder> cjwatson: for what it's worth, i used diversions heavily when i was at mit, and i think we whined enough that we were able to get the bugs with diversions+conffiles ironed out
[17:57] <cjwatson> broder: ah, that's something at least
[18:45] <cjwatson> ScottK: give http://paste.ubuntu.com/671830/ a try?
[18:45] <cjwatson> (please try not to laugh at my rusty C++)
[20:21] <cjwatson> hmm, I wonder if my xvidcap crash is actually a libav bug
[20:24] <cjwatson> looks like its MAP_ANON detection fell over in 0.7 or so
[20:25]  * cjwatson tries to construct a test that isn't "build xvidcap with this dodgy patch"


[11:50] <AlanBell> Bug #975029
[11:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975029 in compiz-plugins-main "bindings to activate ezoom not set" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975029
[11:50] <AlanBell> I added a patch for it


[23:34] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I think I will just do the update once Ubuntu is called Deathstar or something that cool :) LOL
[23:35] <DasEi> YiamiYo: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cd (with a cd inserted) , ^sorry
[23:35] <katzee> i cant get to restore the old network manager after wicd uninstall
[23:35] <katzee> :\
[23:35] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, sounds like you are experiencing hardware difficulties there.
[23:35] <DasEi> YiamiYo: cd /media/cd
[23:35] <YiamiYo> DasEi, did you see my pastebin post?
[23:35] <YiamiYo> mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist
[23:35] <MichaelKohler> Jordan_U, DasEi: thanks. I'll try and ask if I have a question :)
[23:35] <DasEi> YiamiYo: ls   , file there ? - no, didn't
[23:35] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, well, if Oracle ever releases a Linux, it might be called just that.
[23:36] <DasEi> MichaelKohler: welcome
[23:36] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Yes, it is painful. The specs otherwise are brutal and working out perfectly well. Just an Ubuntu issue... I've read about it on the forum that others have experienced the same problems.
[23:36] <Jordan_U> MichaelKohler: You're welcome.
[23:36] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, What hardware is acting up/ not well-supported in your box?
[23:36] <yggdrasil> how can i install an older kernel on my ubuntu ?
[23:37] <yggdrasil> the kernel from 9.04 ?
[23:37] <Stereocaulon> yggdrasil, you should be able to simply select it from Grub
[23:37] <yggdrasil> uh
[23:37] <yggdrasil> well grub wont see it if its not installed
[23:37] <DasEi> yggdrasil: why that ? well, can install and then point grub to boot it
[23:38] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I have an HP xw9300 Workstation with 2 AMD Opteron 64 @ 2.4GHz each (9.6GHz), 8GB RAM, 32GB SSD for root, 250GB 2,5" ultra fast hard drive, 1GB nVidia GTS250... That is the specs currently.
[23:38] <katzee> someone knows how to restore the default network manager panel icon?
[23:38] <Jordan_U> yggdrasil: You likely can't without things breaking (like X drivers requiring features of the newer kernel).
[23:38] <snake__> where do i change the settings of my port number and ip address for apache2?
[23:38] <yggdrasil> theres a driver for my twinahan ir remote control , the driver works fine in 9.04 but not in lucid. and im guessing that this is compiled into the old kernel.
[23:38] <Trea> what software would you guys recommend for streaming movies and such to my playstation?
[23:38] <jahbulon> DasEi: so i did install gparted and shows that all my HDD has just i partition /dev/sda1 file sistem .. boot....  +and 2.5 GB each swap=-linux and extended and
[23:38] <yggdrasil> as a .ko ?
[23:38] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, Wow! sounds like you could start a forest fire if you run that one too long ;-)
[23:38] <yggdrasil> ok then i need to find the source for that kernel module and compile it on this kernel...
[23:38] <yggdrasil> ;(
[23:38] <DasEi> jahbulon: so there are your partitions ?
[23:39] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I am not exactly sure what is causing the problem but on the thread I was reading it seems like the problem is not a new one since others are also experiencing it but nevermind. I'm happy :)
[23:39] <YiamiYo> any idea on how to mount my cd? here is my /dev : http://pastebin.com/iVpMFVyi
[23:39] <DasEi> YiamiYo: ls   , file there ?
[23:39] <DasEi> YiamiYo: do a ls of your /dev
[23:39] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: The only thing now I want is to upgrade to 16GB RAM but the cost is 1200 EUR to change all the 8 x 1GB to 8 x 2GB.
[23:39] <YiamiYo> i did
[23:39] <YiamiYo> DasEi, i did
[23:40] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: No wonder my electricity bill with the wife is 55 EUR per month in average. I bet the darn computer is taking a huge cake of that sum LOL
[23:40] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, Whoa, are you a video editor or do you plan to use this box to solve the next Fermat equation?
[23:40] <DasEi> YiamiYo: I just told you, enter mount (no parameters) to see if cd is mounted now, and the paste is ls -s
[23:40] <DasEi> ls -l
[23:40] <phap__> hi all
[23:40] <yggdrasil> does ubuntu compile drivers into the kernel ?
[23:40] <yggdrasil> or does it have kernel  modules for everything
[23:40] <Stereocaulon> yggdrasil, yes, lot's of them
[23:40] <yggdrasil> right
[23:40] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Nah, I just like to have the most baddest computer in the hood :) LOL
[23:41] <yggdrasil> so i need to tell it to not used the compiled module and create one from src then i think
[23:41] <DasEi> yggdrasil: mainly integrated (speed), but can use modules, still
[23:41] <YiamiYo> DasEi, it's not there
[23:41] <yggdrasil> right i guess ill have to look for the src for that module and make it
[23:41] <Ibis> Can someone help me with fixing/messing with the "Location bar", the gaps in between each folder? I'm using a theme that suppose to overlap the other, and instead of that happening, I'm getting these ugly eye-soring gaps. I can't seem to make my theme to appear exactly like this picture here: http://linuxmint-art.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=134416&file1=134416-1.jpg&file2=134416-2.jpg&file3=134416-3.jpg&name=Cadmium+OSX
[23:41] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Got it for 650 EUR from my dear cousin who thought he wanted to go for a better laptop. Then it happened so that he did not find anything and kind of regrets the selling :)
[23:41] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, you probably have that one right now...Maybe the mobo has some chips that are not quite supported fully.
[23:41] <DasEi> YiamiYo: what is not where ?
[23:41] <yggdrasil> and then, figure out how to tell it to go with module instead of internal compiled moduel
[23:41] <Ibis> Notice, the location bar has no gaps in between.
[23:41] <Trea> Can anyone recommend what software i should use to stream stuff to my ps3?
[23:42] <Loshki> yggdrasil: which module, btw?
[23:42] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, That's a sweet deal :-D
[23:42] <YiamiYo> DasEi, my cd is not mounted
[23:42] <yggdrasil> hid-twinhan ?
[23:42] <DasEi> yggdrasil: kernelcheck could be of your interest
[23:42] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Yes, that is my main concern. It has a huge amount of chips which are completely useless or so I would think.
[23:42] <YiamiYo> and sr0 is not in /dev
[23:42] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I am thinking that the SSD drive is probably also a reason for it acting up.
[23:42] <yggdrasil> hid_twinhan             2197  0
[23:42] <yggdrasil> hid                    67032  3 hid_twinhan,hid_logitech,usbhid
[23:42] <DasEi> YiamiYo: you set the cd dir , inserted a cd, mounted without error and now it's not there ?
[23:43] <ste> server oltreirc
[23:43] <Loshki> yggdrasil: sorry, dunno anything about it.  I see hits in google though...
[23:43] <DasEi> YiamiYo: which distro  ?
[23:43] <yggdrasil> right im looking at that, lots of problem reports but no fixes
[23:43] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Sure is since the 2 AMD Opteron 64 @ 2.4GHz cost about 250-280 EUR a piece about a year ago.
[23:43] <Hanibal> Hi! Is there any software that recognizes evil server access and blocks it? E.g. spambots crawling my websites for mail addresses, etc.?
[23:44] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, it may have a poorly configured ventilation system. Overheating gives weird behaviour.
[23:44] <YiamiYo> DasEi, ubuntu 10.10
[23:44] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: That will not be the case I predict...
[23:44] <YiamiYo> DasEi, 64 bit
[23:44] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I kind of looked into it when my cousin put it together and showed the ventilation system...
[23:44] <DasEi> YiamiYo: sudo apt-get install pastebinit hwinfo
[23:44] <DasEi> YiamiYo: sudo hwinfo | pastebinit
[23:45] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: If I remember correctly it was a Nexus or Zalman fan.... A Nexus power source I think it had...
[23:45] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: My cousin built it to have almost the best of the best pieces put together.
[23:45] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, OK, you have a badass box, but that's not why you are here, you are trying to solve a problem...
[23:45] <ste>  server emulemorp
[23:45] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Yes, that is true
[23:45] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, sounds really groovy though
[23:45] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Thanks :)
[23:46] <Chr|s> anyone here run TeamSpeak 3 on amd64 and able to get a headset working properly?
[23:46] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I think I will wait for 10.10 updating yet. I will need to find a viable solution for the backup taking first.
[23:46] <YiamiYo> DasEi, http://pastebin.com/nGHchhVX
[23:46] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: I did not even think too much about backup since I thought it would go pretty easily but can never be sure though. Thanks for pointing that out.
[23:47] <katzee> someone knows how to restore the default network manager panel icon?
[23:47] <ste> join #esmeralda_aiuto_volontario
[23:47] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, I use a remote VPS (Virtual Private Server) for the really important files that I made myself and an external HDD for the rest
[23:48] <Stereocaulon> katzee, just add it by right clicking on an empty space of the Gnome Panel and Select Network Manager from there
[23:48] <katzee> Stereocaulon: thought bout that, but i have not Network Manager in that list
[23:49] <Chr|s> I guess its going to be a long night trying to figure this out
[23:49] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Thanks for a good tip.
[23:50] <blackshirt> good morning all
[23:50] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, I've been burned before by the lack of backup. And I made the proper preparations to avoid loosing data again.
[23:50] <yggdrasil> sweet looks like its jsut ong .32 kernel. so im gonna roll back to .31 and see if it makes a diff..
[23:50] <yggdrasil> bll
[23:50] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: That is a really good thinking.
[23:50] <zerodowntime> anyone know much about linksys wrt54g routers?
[23:51] <DasEi> YiamiYo: is a very huge log, but for now can't find any cd in there , cable not attached ?!
[23:51] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Thanks for the help, I gotta go and play some nice games. Have some unfinished business.
[23:51] <Stereocaulon> DrGrov, happy gaming to you sir!
[23:51] <DrGrov> Stereocaulon: Thank you sir!
[23:51] <YiamiYo> DasEi, my drive is working...i used it to install ubuntu
[23:51] <DasEi> YiamiYo: try yourself to find the device in there, shall be in the laast third of that monster
[23:52] <Stereocaulon> blackshirt, good morning to you, how can we help?
[23:52] <RailsDeveloper> Anyone know how to enable a wireless adapter in
[23:52] <RailsDeveloper> ubuntu 10.10 usuing vbox
[23:52] <jahbulon> guyz i have a problem... when i installed my ubuntu .. i did not create any partition. now i need 1 to install win on it ...i can create now ...
[23:53] <YiamiYo> DasEi, the only thing i can find about cd is in line 1886
[23:53] <exitweb> jahbulon, try with live cd and gparted
[23:53] <Stereocaulon> jahbulon, just use gparted from a live CD to resize your partition and make room for an extra partition
[23:53] <zerodowntime> can anyone point me in the right direction here? I have a Linksys WRTG4G router that I am trying to get the port forwarding set up to point ssh to my desktop. SSH work locally between my netbook and desktop, but I want to access my desktop whenever I am away from home
[23:54] <jahbulon> 10x both i will try
[23:54] <zerodowntime> I am running Unbuntu 10.10 on both machines with openssh server
[23:54] <rodrigo__> you are install the ubuntu with other operacional system?
[23:54] <blackshirt> Stereocaulon: thank's..can you help me to disable SOAP on ubuntu ??
[23:54] <RailsDeveloper> Anyone know how to use a wireless adapter in ubuntu 10.10 using virtualbox?
[23:54] <lcojtpb> hi guys im trying to rip a movie on my laptop before i leave to iraq and im using acidrip it says mincoder interupted by user how can i fix this
[23:54] <DasEi> YiamiYo: there are some more entries the like, but the value-fields are empty, check /var/log/syslog for cdrom (use search funktion of gedit)
[23:55] <zerodowntime> I have already set up the router to allow for port forwardng but whenever I nmap my ip or try to access my machine via my ip connection is refused
[23:55] <DasEi> YiamiYo: hwinfo is like probing but nothing found (like a lost cable)
[23:55] <Stereocaulon> blackshirt, you mean the application communication protocol?
[23:56] <YiamiYo> DasEi, could find nothing about cdrom there
[23:56] <alex__> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:56] <YiamiYo> anyone else knows why my ubuntu 10.10 64 bit cannot mount my cd?this is my /dev: http://pastebin.com/iVpMFVyi
[23:57] <DasEi> YiamiYo: this is a fresh install with no private data ? I can look over ssh , if you don't mind
[23:57] <blackshirt> Stereocaulon: yes, soap on php
[23:57] <sudoer> i wanted to get your guys opinions, if I am going to store a list of numbers in a flat file, what do you think is the best way to store it, each number by line, or 1 line seperated by a comma, 2nd question, if i wanted to compare 2 files to see which numbers are in both, how would you recommend I do it?
[23:57] <YiamiYo> DasEi, cannot port forward right now...you can do it with teamviewer though
[23:57] <sudoer> speed is most important to me
[23:57] <Stereocaulon> blackshirt, no sorry, can't help you with that. You might try #php and #apache channels to get some more specific info on it
[23:58] <jahbulon> Stereocaulon: i don't have a live cd .. but i installed gparted and can't resize it
[23:58] <DasEi> sudoer: line - wise, and see man diff
[23:58] <Stereocaulon> jahbulon, that's because you cannot unmount the root of a running system
[23:58] <blackshirt> Stereocaulon: thank's for advice frends
[23:58] <Stereocaulon> blackshirt, good luck!
[23:58] <katzee> i cant believe it... i did hibernate -> turn on again and the network icon was on the panel. shut it down, on again and its gone again...
[23:58] <major_redhat> hey all, im having issues trying to install Java as root
[23:59] <jahbulon> Stereocaulon: so how can i do it ?
[23:59] <major_redhat> i keep getting an 'authentication failure' even though I know i'm typing in the correct password
[23:59] <shcherbak> sudoer: it depence, line is easier, csv tricky, blocks most fun
[23:59] <Stereocaulon> jahbulon, to upll this off you really *need* to have a live media (USB-Stick or Live CD) There is no other way.
[23:59] <DasEi> YiamiYo: d/l ing..
[23:59] <Stereocaulon> jahbulon, upll => pull


[02:41] <grogoreo> hi
[02:42] <grogoreo> I would like to connect to /var/www with SSH but it's owned by root and I want to login with a normal user who's just given access to certain folders within it. Should I create a group, like www-user, and chown root:www-user on all the folders?
[02:49] <TrioTorus> can you not log in as a user that has ssh acces and then su to the 'normal user'?
[02:54] <grogoreo> i would like to mount it with Gnome/Nautilus. My user has sudo access


[07:22] <mattt> up wayyy too early on a sunday :(
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> mattt: watching F1 eh? :)
[08:11] <mattt> MartijnVdS: working :P
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> aww
[08:37] <popey> Morning
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:06] <christel> morning lovelies
[09:06] <popey> Happy mothers day christel
[09:09] <MooDoo> happy mothers day as well from me christel :) xx <3
[09:10] <christel> thank you :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> shame i'm having to work :(
[09:19] <christel> aww
[09:20] <christel> i am having to "celebrate" on my own -- apparently my first "present" is for the boy wonder to have a lie-in.. and i was expecting breakfast in bed!
[09:21] <christel> (otoh the sun is out and i am rather enjoying being able to enjoy a slow mug of coffee in peace)
[09:22] <MooDoo> sun is out?  blimey it's snowing here
[09:22] <christel> woha really?
[09:22] <MooDoo> yeah
[09:23] <christel> it's really sunny here -- yesterday was pretty grey and really cold, woke up today and it's super sunny and lovely
[09:23] <christel> (well, i havent ventured outside -- it may be freezing)
[09:23] <christel> where are you at MooDoo
[09:23] <popey> yeah, i was near blinded when i opened the curtains this morning!
[09:23] <MooDoo> christel: nottingham
[09:24] <MooDoo> looking out the windows, it's stopped now, and turned to rain....typical
[09:24] <christel> hehe
[09:50] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:51] <christel> morning AlanBell :)
[09:56] <popey> directhex: thanks for wrapping the xbox360 in all that red bubble wrap. Gave me something to wrap wifeys mothers-day stuff in ☺
[09:57] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[10:04] <popey> MartijnVdS: my mate has found a flat in Ijburg
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: One of the few places in Amsterdam with 500/500 fibre :)
[10:05] <popey> lol
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> (that's not a datacentre)
[11:00] <directhex> popey: heh
[11:00] <directhex> popey: how's it treating you?
[11:13] <meet> like i want to press f3 key to toggle between touchpad on or off.. anyway to do this?
[11:31] <seeker> Anyone else having Internet connectivity issues?
[11:32] <MooDoo> seeker: home or work?
[11:37] <seeker> Home
[11:41] <dwatkins> Which ISP are you on, seeker?
[11:41] <popey> directhex: kids love it ☺
[11:41] <Seeker`> thats weird
[11:41] <popey> directhex: they're both currently doing their own profiles
[11:41] <Seeker`> I booted up my desktop, internet came back to live
[11:41] <Seeker`> *life
[11:42] <popey> i only have one set of component ports on my telly and the DVD player uses them ⍨
[11:42] <popey> so am currently using the composite port for xbox 360 which doesn't look great
[11:42] <dwatkins> I connected my xbox 360 via VGA, it increased the resolution.
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> Use the XBox as a DVD player
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> also, use HDMI for the XBox
[11:46] <popey> no hdmi port on xbox
[11:46] <popey> the dvd player is attached to the amp, the xbox isnt
[11:46] <dwatkins> My xbox RROD'ed, need to get a new one when I can afford it.
[11:46] <popey> its a bit of a faff
[11:49] <dwatkins> It's handy that I can use the PS3 as a media player and DVD and toy.
[11:57] <popey> wow, component is much nicer
[12:15] <meet> how to set keyboard shortcuts through terminal?
[12:16] <StevenR_> meet: what do you mean? Keyboard shortcuts tend to be for graphical user interfaces.
[12:17] <meet> stevenR: ya.. i mean setting up keyboard shortcuts..
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: XBox has no hdmi?! Is it an XBox 1?
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> or am I spoiled by all my HDMI devices ;)
[12:18] <bigcalm> Ello peeps :)
[12:18] <meet> i want to configure the shortcuts for gui. But how do i do that through the terminal window? which file to edit or what?
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> howdy bigcalm
[12:18] <StevenR_> meet: I suspect it's all stored in some text config file
[12:18] <meet> so how do i setup keyboard shortcuts in general?
[12:18] <SpudULike> Hello room.  In Thunderbird I've marked a folded as having all messages read.  I want to still see these read messages, but Thunderbird seems to be hiding them from me.  Anyone know how to turn this feature off?
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> meet: which version of Ubuntu do you use?
[12:19] <meet> 11.10 gnome 3
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> meet: Gnome 3, not unity?
[12:19] <StevenR_> meet: it's probably specific to the graphical desktop that you're using
[12:19] <meet> martijnVds: ya gnome 3, not unity. :) suits me better
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> In that case.. it's probably very hard.
[12:20] <meet> martijnVds: any idea how do i setup keyboard shortcuts?
[12:20] <meet> why?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> Because Gnome 3 isn't a pinnacle of customizability
[12:21] <meet> so what can i do? any idea where can i find the info/?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> In Unity you can use ccsm to set some keyboard shortcuts
[12:22] <meet> unity does not suit me. rather i am used to gnome now so i need help for that. the ones i had already do not work directly.
[12:22] <meet> martijnVds: will ccsm work for gnome?
[12:23] <StevenR_> yay. CMOS checksum error.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> StevenR_: Press F1 to continue
[12:23] <StevenR_> MartijnVdS: or DEL to enter setup
[12:23] <StevenR_> ahh well. The mobo is 9 years old.
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> StevenR_: CR2032 :)
[12:24] <StevenR_> if I used it more, I'd replace the cell, but it's an old box I run mythtv on at my parents' house
[13:50] <penguin42> hmm, Aardman have made a 3D animation - that might actually be worth seeing; not seen any 3d stuff yet
[13:51] <jacobw> afternoon
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the Pirates thing?
[13:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod
[13:53] <penguin42> can someone check that they can see http://www.treblig.org/debug/slidemergesmall.png   - some people are saying they are getting errors - works for me
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> It's a PNG
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> works here
[13:53] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[13:53]  * jacobw thinks that IE6 doesn't support PNG transparency
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> Yes.. are the complainers using stone-age tech? :)
[13:53] <AlanBell> I believe it can do with a hack, but who cares?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> didn't Google give up on IE6 already?
[13:54] <jacobw> unfortunately, people are stupid
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> tru.dat
[14:09] <mattt> ha, tru.dat
[14:14] <jacobw> hmm, hud doesn't find firefox->edit->preferences from `firefox` <alt> 'preferences'
[14:15] <jacobw> ofc, now i try to reproduce it, it does :p
[16:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] GNOME Docs hackfest in Brno - http://philbull.livejournal.com/60292.html
[16:58] <awilkins> *sigh* Sundays....
[16:59] <MooDoo> +1 awilkins
[16:59] <mattt> bleh
[17:12] <jacobw> i currently use gmane for reading high volume lists that i don't want to subscribe to
[17:12] <jacobw> i'm happy with it, but interested to know what other archives are used
[17:25] <penguin42> jacobw: I tend to read mailing lists with mutt, judicious use of D to kill threads; for news feeds/blogs etc I tend to use Google Reader
[17:48] <dogmatic69> hi all, just had my desktop crash ~ 7 times, been watching the logs now and getting 'chrome[3667]: segfault at 7fff4e852ff8 ip 0000372a7100a001 sp 00007fff4e853000 error 6'
[17:48] <dogmatic69> a whole bunch of them
[17:48] <dogmatic69> anyone know what it could be?
[17:49] <dogmatic69> monitor just goes blank and shows the default 'not plugged in' message, so its like gfx card dies.
[17:49] <dogmatic69> a few times it just hangs, cant move the mouse etc
[17:50] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well that dmesg is chrome dieing - whether that's relating to everything else is a bit difficult to say, do you get any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[17:52] <dogmatic69> penguin42:  http://pastebin.com/J9bFXznT
[17:53] <dogmatic69> not seeing anything jump out at me, not that I know what to look for :D
[17:53] <ali1234> why can't i reopen bug 907837
[17:54] <dogmatic69> just kicked me out to the login
[17:54] <penguin42> dogmatic69: That looks OK, but is there a /var/log/Xorg0.log.old - that should have the one from when it last crashed
[17:55] <dogmatic69> ok, it just crashed again, .old http://pastebin.com/7EznYfjy and the 0.log again http://pastebin.com/ind12bF7
[17:55]  * dogmatic69 will not open chrome just yet
[17:57] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Those look ok, so it doesn't look like the X server is dieing
[17:58] <dogmatic69_> just opened firefox and it hung
[17:58] <dogmatic69_> on a different pc now
[17:58] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: When it hangs can you ctrl-alt-F1 to get a text console?
[17:59] <dogmatic69_> nothing seems to work, not tried that though.
[17:59] <penguin42> No route to host, his net has gone away
[17:59] <dogmatic69_> it only hangs sometimes, mostly it will completely die
[18:00] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Might be worth leaving it on memtest for an hour or two
[18:00] <dogmatic69_> :S
[18:00] <dogmatic69_> how do I do that?
[18:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Reboot, use shift just after the bios to get the GRUB menu, at the bottom should be memtest
[18:01] <dogmatic69_> the ram usage has been bad that last while, always using like 6 / 7 gigs of my 8. and swapping almost daily
[18:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Leave it running and go {watch a film, walk the cat, etc}
[18:01] <dogmatic69_> he he
[18:01] <penguin42> right, time to make food
[18:02] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: thanks, will try that out.
[18:03] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: just std memtest or the serial one?
[18:04] <dogmatic69_> gawd... its all red
[18:04] <dogmatic69_> 4k errors already
[18:04] <dogmatic69_> is that normal?
[18:08] <popey> ali1234: whats that app you're using in the video? some dbus explorer?
[18:08] <ali1234> yes
[18:08] <ali1234> it affects any app which has a main window split by a resizable panel
[18:08] <ali1234> and then a list in the left side
[18:08] <ali1234> for example, banshee, rhythmbox
[18:09] <ali1234> but i happened to be using dfeet to test another bug at the time
[18:09] <popey> trying to make it happen here
[18:09] <popey> dfeet thats it
[18:14] <ali1234> wow, the horizontal resizer on rhythmbox has just been removed rather than make any attempt to fix it
[18:19] <popey> i still ahve one here
[18:20] <ali1234> the two panels are still there, you just can't resize them now
[18:20] <popey> which two?
[18:20] <popey> i have 4
[18:20] <ali1234> artist and album
[18:21] <ali1234> the leftmost part still has the resize on it but you have to make the window tiny to trigger the bug on that one
[18:22] <ali1234> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86C1-FH5ZK0
[18:26] <popey> yeah, just looks like a bug to me
[18:27] <ali1234> which?
[18:28] <popey> well its the same bug
[18:28] <popey> IMO
[18:28] <popey> internal panels arent resizable
[18:28] <ali1234> yes, i know it's the same problem
[18:29] <ali1234> but the question is, where is the bug?
[18:29] <ali1234> does the design spec have anything to say about this situation?
[18:29] <ali1234> if it does, then is the bug in the implementation?
[18:29] <ali1234> and none of this explains why i can't reopen the bug
[18:30] <ali1234> the bug manifested in gedit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZNm1C1eEw
[18:31] <popey> i dunno, will bring it up with the design guys tomorrow, i am in the office sat with them
[18:31] <ali1234> cheers
[18:31] <ali1234> anyway, dinner tiem
[18:38] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Nope, not normal!
[18:44]  * penguin42 waits for his pudding to bake
[19:16] <Seeker`> hey
[19:31] <czajkowski> whoo now hve the new mail beep turned off, now to find out if I can turn the deleting a folder beep off
[19:32] <czajkowski> am hoping by using http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/configurable-notifyosd-bubbles-for.html  I cna get rid of the notifcation bubble
[19:32] <czajkowski> worst feature yet tbh, or maybe it;s not working right on my machine. but when mail arrives nad I move my mouse overit, it kinda goes away, so move mouse away and it comes back and repet a few times.
[19:33] <AlanBell> that is working "right"
[19:33] <AlanBell> you are supposed to be able to click through them to stuff under, and they fade to let you see what is under them
[19:33] <czajkowski> well that is well annoying L:( and the person who thought it was right needs a goos clip around the ears
[19:34] <AlanBell> you can tell Mark that at UDS
[19:35] <AlanBell> on the ubuntu for android thing there are notifications for incoming calls that you can click on to answer the phone
[19:35] <AlanBell> I think it is a bit annoying that notifications can't be interacted with
[19:36] <czajkowski> my problem is I dont always want to see a mail notificaton and if I really have to see it me clicking it should make it go away not vanish and reappear
[19:36] <ali1234> lol
[19:37] <ali1234> i agree
[19:37] <ali1234> i don't see mail notifications though because i use gmail
[19:38] <ali1234> and while pidgin does turn the messaging icon blue on getting a new mail, it doesn't pop up a notification bubble, because the integration is incomplete
[19:38] <ali1234> obviously i don't use evolution - it cannot handle my inbox at all
[19:39] <czajkowski> I use thunderbird and love it
[19:39] <ali1234> thunderbird?
[19:39] <czajkowski> but the bubles I just fid annioying I'm well able to monitor my and kno when to review my inbox
[19:39] <czajkowski> ali1234: yes
[19:40] <AlanBell> I don't mind the bubbles, but if one pops up that is interesting I want to click on it and be in the message. Not have to go find thunderbird all by myself
[19:40] <ali1234> i agree with that too
[19:40] <czajkowski> yupp
[19:40] <czajkowski> it just seems poorly implemented and only half works
[19:40] <ali1234> but come on, how long has this feature been around?
[19:40] <czajkowski> so if something half works why use it
[19:41] <AlanBell> it works exactly as it is supposed to
[19:41] <ali1234> people have been saying this since it was first made
[19:41] <ali1234> yes, it works exactly as designed, and everyone who said it was a bad design got shot down over a year ago
[19:41] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253
[19:41] <ali1234> wow has it really been that long?
[19:48] <popey> i would not be surprised if bubbles were clickable in a future release
[19:48] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:49] <ali1234> i'm only surprised that it has taken so long for you to notice how problematic these things are
[19:49] <bigcalm> popey: you have an obscure sense of 'traffic'
[19:49] <AlanBell> I had no bubbles up until a few weeks ago
[19:49] <popey> heh
[19:49] <AlanBell> if your right monitor is lower than your left monitor you get no bubbles
[19:49] <ali1234> while we're at it, the 1 inch gap between the panel and the notification looks just as stupid now as it did when it was implemented
[19:50] <AlanBell> ali1234: ah, in that case position the top of your right monitor 1 inch below the top of your left monitor :)
[19:50] <ali1234> my right monitor is lower by just enough that the bubble is in the exact location it should be instead of 1 inch below
[19:50] <ali1234> yes, basically i already did that accidentally
[19:50] <ali1234> i even reported it as a bug... 6 months or so ag
[19:50] <ali1234> o
[19:51] <ali1234> or maybe i went to do it and it was already reported
[19:52] <AlanBell> bug 935131
[19:52] <ali1234> well thats not my bug
[19:54] <ali1234> bug 779612
[19:56] <ali1234> did you just upgrade from lts today or something?
[19:57] <AlanBell> hmm?
[19:57] <ali1234> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71380064/volume.png ah remember when you ddidn't have to use one of the awful new themes?
[19:58] <AlanBell> I like the new theme
[19:58] <ali1234> i don't
[19:58] <ali1234> it looks terrible when you use gnome-panel 3
[19:58] <ali1234> all three of them
[19:59] <ali1234> hmm a bug
[19:59] <ali1234> hmm another bug
[19:59] <ali1234> bugs
[20:00] <ali1234> argh ANOTHER BUG
[20:00] <ali1234> ok i have some bug reporting to do
[20:01] <AlanBell> wonder if anyone is still maintaining notify-osd
[20:01] <popey> bug 811475
[20:02] <popey> *boggle* how long that has been open
[20:02] <ali1234> i wish apport and launchpad were smart enough to report bugs on PPA instead of just saying "not official package gtfo"
[20:02] <popey> "This is one of many problems with the current layout.  It will be fixed by the
[20:02] <popey> new layout some time."
[20:02] <ali1234> popey: not as long as my notify-osd bug
[20:02] <popey> heh
[20:04] <AlanBell> wow, that is papercutish
[20:04] <ali1234> bug 958769
[20:11] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr1gZVRTo6o
[20:11] <ali1234> basically, indicators don't have a delay if you very quickly mouse over them on the way to a menu item
[20:12] <ali1234> the old gnome panels used to have this
[20:12] <ali1234> you now have to carefully move the mouse to where you are going without going over something else on the way
[20:13] <ali1234> its like one of those steady hand games
[20:13]  * popey confirms
[20:13] <ali1234> i didn't report it yet!
[20:13] <ali1234> or you mean kazam?
[20:15] <popey> yes
[20:15] <ali1234> any idea what i should report this against?
[20:15] <popey> and whilst confirming discocvered bug 958777
[20:15] <ali1234> yeah with alt-drag you can drag it completely off the screen
[20:15] <ali1234> it doesn't hurt recording though
[20:15] <popey> sure, makes no sense tho :)
[20:16] <ali1234> true enough
[20:16] <ali1234> the bugs sure are coming in fast btw
[20:16] <ali1234> almost one a minute on a sunday evening?
[20:16] <popey> some are automagic
[20:16] <popey> and not on ubuntu
[20:17] <popey> bu70
[20:17] <popey> bah
[20:17] <popey> bug 958770
[20:17] <popey> bug 958771
[20:17] <popey> bug 958772
[20:17] <popey> hehe
[20:17] <ali1234> so, any idea about my indicator thing?
[20:17] <popey> sunday is a typical evening for bug hunting I think
[20:18] <popey> i dont understand it
[20:18] <ali1234> report against indicator package or design?
[20:18] <ali1234> er
[20:18] <ali1234> basically
[20:18] <ali1234> click the power button thing
[20:18] <ali1234> the move the mouse diagonally in a straight line to where it says "system settings"
[20:18] <popey> hah, i see
[20:18] <ali1234> over the word "system"
[20:19] <ali1234> this takes the mouse over the user indicator, which opens
[20:19] <ali1234> then you end up clicking on "switch user" accidentally
[20:19] <dogmatic69> if you run memtest on good ram, will it show 0 errors? or is there an acceptable limit?
[20:19] <popey> indicator-session
[20:19] <popey> I'd file against that
[20:19] <ali1234> in gnome, if you made this kind of motion very quickly, it would simply ignore the intermediate things you travelled over
[20:19] <ali1234> in unity, it's time to play the steady hand game
[20:19] <ali1234> dogmatic69: good ram should have zero errors
[20:20] <dogmatic69> :S
[20:20] <ali1234> but erros isn't necessarily bad ram
[20:20] <dogmatic69> so 500k errors is not good ram?
[20:20] <ali1234> you might be using the wrong clock or voltage
[20:20] <dogmatic69> been the same for 3+ years
[20:20] <popey> or wrong ram
[20:20] <ali1234> 500k errors is OMG GET A NEW COMPUTER
[20:20] <dogmatic69> :/
[20:20] <dogmatic69> then my bank acc is gonna have 500k errors
[20:20] <ali1234> 1 or 2 errors is enough to completely mess up the machine
[20:21] <dogmatic69> bah
[20:21] <ali1234> popey: hmm indicator-session?
[20:21] <dogmatic69> and its old ram, Its going to be $$$
[20:21] <ali1234> the bug affects all indicators
[20:22] <ali1234> dogmatic69: yeah, so just buy a new motherboard cpu and ram
[20:25] <ali1234> i'm going to open it as a design bug
[20:25] <ali1234> it's a feature request really
[20:27] <ali1234> this might actually be a regression in gtk3? menus are doing it too
[20:27] <ali1234> but maybe it is because they are global menus
[20:28] <ali1234> firefox bookmarks toolbar is still showing the old behaviour
[20:28] <ali1234> right clikc pop up menus too
[20:30] <ali1234> hmm yes ok, this affects anything that involves the top panel
[20:32] <AlanBell> wonder if I can fix that rhythmbox bug
[20:36]  * popey installs banshee
[20:37] <ali1234> this must have a name
[20:38] <ali1234> every single desktop environemtn does it- except for unity
[20:38] <diplo> evening all
[20:38] <popey> why have we regressed back to one pixel wide handles for resizing windows?
[20:38] <ali1234> because the dropshadow utterly killed the performance?
[20:39] <daubers> popey: I had that for a little bit. Updated recently and it went away
[20:39] <AlanBell> the dropshadow is still there, you just can't use it any more :(
[20:39] <AlanBell> there is a bug for it
[20:40] <ali1234> how to i get the right-click-title-bar on maximised windows again?
[20:40] <daubers> ah no, it's still there :(
[20:40] <AlanBell> ali1234: alt-space
[20:41] <ali1234> doesn't work
[20:41] <AlanBell> wfm
[20:41] <ali1234> i have disabled the hud
[20:41] <AlanBell> that HUD alt key binding has been a complete farce
[20:42] <ali1234> yep
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Except disabling it disables ALL alt bindings
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> or has that been fixed
[20:42] <AlanBell> it has caused so many issues in its various implementations, and it has nothing to do with the functionality of the HUD
[20:43] <ali1234> i was going to say "everyne knows you;re supposed to resize windows by spressing alt-space, selecting resize, then shuffling around with the arrow keys until the window is the size you want"
[20:43] <AlanBell> the root problem is that they are trying to use a meta key as a single keypress
[20:43] <ali1234> i have actually seen idiots claim this is a better way to resize on OMG ubuntu
[20:44] <ali1234> but since that way doesn't even work now
[20:44] <ali1234> i can't make a sarcastic joke out of it
[20:44] <ali1234> it's just well and truly broken :/
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> 0/
[20:45] <popey> ali1234: erk, that resize option is nastyily broken
[20:45] <popey> do you know if there is a bug for it?
[20:46] <ali1234> no idea. i did notice it was broken too
[20:46] <ali1234> but since i never use it, i don't care :)
[20:46] <ali1234> it is only interesting to me in that it is yet another thing that worked until unity came along
[20:47] <SuperEngineer> just booted to 10.04 - got sick of 12.04 app version fails [evolution format not compatible with 10.04 version, gwibber won't successfully authorise facebook [etc,etc]
[20:47] <ali1234> "gwibber won't successfully authorise facebook" - funny story
[20:47] <SuperEngineer> .... time for bug reporting methinks - if only I hadn't got other stuff to do as well...
[20:48] <ali1234> i was trying to explain to the dash lens developers why i don't want every website integrated into the desktop
[20:48] <ali1234> one of the reasons is, as soon as the website changes, the lens will break
[20:48] <ali1234> just like gwibber always does
[20:48] <ali1234> they didn't listen of course
[20:48] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: +1 on that
[20:48] <ali1234> "we will keep it up to date" they said
[20:48] <hamitron> dunno why an OS can't be an OS, and a website a website
[20:49] <ali1234> "well how about you start by keeping gwibber up to date" i said
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://www.quickmeme.com/They-said/ ?
[20:49] <SuperEngineer> as in... [I have a piece of paer in my hand - #chamberlin said]
[20:52] <SuperEngineer> btw - my comments are not a whinge at Ubuntu... but at the apps within
[20:53] <dogmatic69> how is that for luck... first ram module removed, no errors \o/
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> hotplugging RAM?
[20:53] <dogmatic69> nope
[20:54] <dogmatic69> new ram in the post, + shiny ssd
[20:54] <SuperEngineer> "first ram module removed, no errors" = a successful lambing at a farm?
[21:06] <dogmatic69> right, pc not crashing any more
[21:07] <dogmatic69> and its actually faster with 6gigs of good ram vs 8gigs of broken ram
[21:08] <SuperEngineer> dogmatic69: did you try cleaning the contact strip on the ram & reseating... may be worth a try
[21:08] <dogmatic69> SuperEngineer: not tried that, the pc is 5+ years old
[21:08] <dogmatic69> its a intel Q6600 and I got it virtually the day they were released
[21:09] <SuperEngineer> [or running a full ram test?]...   if pc is 5+ old - worth a clean [& a precautionary reseating of 'good' ram
[21:10] <SuperEngineer> ...you'd be surprised how mant times I've resussitated dead machines by cleaning/reseating/swapping slots
[21:10] <dogmatic69> I just ran mem test for 2 1/2 hours
[21:10] <SuperEngineer> &...?
[21:11] <dogmatic69> is that memtest like defrag for mem?
[21:11] <dogmatic69> memtest == 500k errors
[21:11] <SuperEngineer> ouch
[21:11] <dogmatic69> removed the dodgy one and 0 errors, running 3x 2gigs now
[21:12] <SuperEngineer> clean /reseat but probably the big ram bin in the sky is correct
[21:12] <dogmatic69> got 4x corsair 6400c5c in the shopping cart
[21:12] <SuperEngineer> :)
[21:12] <dogmatic69> get that + SSD and it should be good for a while again
[21:13] <dogmatic69> how easy would it be to reinstall ubuntu on ssd and tell it to use the /home/{me} on another disk?
[21:13] <SuperEngineer> just an a quickie... last week got sent to site where basic report was "failed - smells of burning"]
[21:14] <dogmatic69> lol
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> I arrived on site & they'd left it switched on!
[21:14] <dogmatic69> lmao
[21:14] <dogmatic69> converted into a paper weight
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> lmfao is just what I did
[21:14] <dogmatic69> did it still smell like burning?
[21:15] <SuperEngineer> noooo... much worse - battery on a board had exploded - toxic fumes everywhere!
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> magic smoke!
[21:15]  * SuperEngineer preferes magic mushrooms
[21:16] <dogmatic69> tricky to replace the magic smoke, never did find a good supplier
[21:21] <AlanBell> popey: I think the rhythmbox thing is a GTK bug
[21:22] <AlanBell> on the plus side I do have a patch, but it will stop it truncating very long song names to ellipsise them
[21:33] <SuperEngineer> Whilst Slashdot [can] be a p[ain - sometimes you read a real doozy... "New iPad Jailbroken Already" [aww, go on Apple, smile if you dare]
[21:34] <jacobw> doozy?
[21:34] <jacobw> that's so not a word
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> neither is jailbroken
[21:35] <jacobw> sure it is
[21:35] <jacobw> it comes from the old english, 'gaolbroken'
[21:35] <jacobw> ;)
[21:36] <SuperEngineer> prove it - goalbreak an iPad
[21:36] <SuperEngineer> in old english they would have goal broken or goal-broken
[21:37] <jacobw> goal? as in football?
[21:37]  * SuperEngineer apologises for being a smart-a**
[21:39] <SuperEngineer> ok - if you insist  g-a-o-l... what d'yu want from a man who's been working - perfection?  oh,. damn, yes, they all do ;)
[21:40] <jacobw> :)
[21:54] <SuperEngineer> anyone here trying 12.04, using Gwibber *and* has a 10.04 Gwibber installed?  Could it be a conflict [evene though no prob was in 11.10]?
[21:55] <SuperEngineer> anyone here know of a [good] Gwibber substitute for monitoring facebook?
[21:56] <SuperEngineer> oh wel - just as I thought - I
[21:56] <SuperEngineer> *am* unique ;)  [mummy always aid I was]
[21:57] <SuperEngineer> *said
[21:57] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[22:10] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0mv7DFQF3c
[22:11] <popey> reckon that's a compiz bug?
[22:15] <AlanBell> yeah, in the resize plugin I should think
[22:16] <AlanBell> if it doesn't do that in unity2d
[22:17] <popey> ah good call
[22:18] <popey> unity 2d is way better
[22:18] <popey> it resizes dynamically as you move the keys
[22:18] <AlanBell> well so will compiz if you let it
[22:18] <popey> I mean OOTB
[22:20] <popey> Grrrr
[22:20] <AlanBell> yeah, the default settings for compiz really don't show off what it can do, I have no idea why Canonical don't let it shine
[22:20] <popey> firefox, i had loads of pinned tabs, and ended up closing the one with all the tabs open, then another firefox window I had
[22:20] <popey> so ff remembered the empty one
[22:20] <popey> thats utterly broken
[22:20] <popey> why the hell would I want to remember a blank window and not a multitabbed window
[22:35] <diplo> popey, it's been like that for years
[22:36] <popey> which, compiz or ff?
[22:36] <diplo> Sorry FF
[22:36] <diplo> Always make sure I close / check what windows I have open first
[22:36] <diplo> Sure it does it on win 7 as well


[19:48] <olly> morning
[19:48] <olly> if you thought it was bad yesterday...
[20:00] <ibeardslee> brrr