[12:14] <darkrift> dont know how to install an rpm
[12:14] <darkrift> on here
[12:14] <Minataku> darkrift: That's because *buntu uses APT
[12:14] <dom> rodrigo, no problem.   you find the history yet?  it's the clock icon
[12:14] <darkrift> i know
[12:14] <rodrigo> yep with f9 thanks dom
[12:14] <Minataku> It can be converted, but using packages for other distributions can be troublesome
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> hello
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> http://pastebin.ca/568944
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> could you guys help me out
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> with some code
[12:15] <Minataku> darkrift: Go ahead and try it, but if it says there are any dependencies, don't continue unless it can grab them automatically
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> the font won't change in the QTextEdit
[12:15] <darkrift> k
[12:15] <DarkED> um somehow i seem to have set myself to 'away' in konversation... how do i un-do that? lol
[12:15] <darksoul_> is fglrx disabled with this DISABLED_MODULES="ath_hal fc fglrx ltm nv"
[12:15] <darkrift> /back
[12:15] <darkrift> or try /away again
[12:15] <DarkED> ahh nice
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> err
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> bad chanel
[12:15] <DarkED> thanks
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> sorry
[12:15] <DarkWizzard> :D
[12:16] <darkrift> did it work DarkED?
[12:16] <Minataku> The problem with mixing is usually incompatible dependencies
[12:16] <DarkED> darksoul_: yes it's disabled, remove fglrx from the list to enable it
[12:16] <DarkED> darkrift: yep :)
[12:16] <DarkED> thanks
[12:16] <Minataku> If it doesn't have any, you should be fine
[12:16] <darkrift> no prob :)
[12:16] <Minataku> If it does, bail out
[12:16] <Minataku> lol
[12:17] <Minataku> Otherwise you end up in dependency hell with a broken system
[12:17] <Minataku> And much like real hell, you have to be a bad-ass space marine to get out of dependency hell.
[12:17] <Kr4t05> Alright, I may be tried as a blasphemer for asking this but, is the method for restoring GRUB any different if you're dual-booting Vista?
[12:18] <darksoul_> DarkED so if i remove it i will be able to install the ATI drivers?
[12:18] <Minataku> I'm hungry
[12:18] <Minataku> I'ma go eat
[12:18] <BluesKaj> damm grub link is broken somehow but there doesn't seem to be a fix that suits my setup ...most of the fixes are for other OSs or pc's with 2 HDDs.
[12:18] <DarkED> darksoul_: i dont know, i just know that modules on that list are disabled :)
[12:18] <Minataku> Sorry for getting all yelling and such >.<
[12:18] <DarkED> darksoul_: i dont have ati, i have nvidia
[12:18] <darksoul_> damn mass nvidia productions :P
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, are you able to boot vista or linux , which is it ?
[12:19] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: I can boot Vista.
[12:20] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: I need my GRUB back for Kubuntu. :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> darksoul_, try this tutorial ..works for my ati 200g card
[12:20] <BluesKaj> http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[12:21] <darksoul_> thnx
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Step one: Format Windows partition.  Step two: reinstall GRUB
[12:22] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: I figured that would be it. I wasn't sure if I needed a different approach with Vista, thought.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> I need a grub that works , not constantly giving me errors
[12:22] <ubuntu> help
[12:23] <dom> !grub
[12:23] <ubuntu> i lost my kubuntu becouse i reinstall windows
[12:23] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:23] <ubuntu> help me plz
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: read the links you were JUST given.
[12:24] <dom> !grub | ubuntu
[12:24] <ubotu> ubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:24] <dom> ah, there we go
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, so perhaps they weren't given specifically to you, but for the love of god, READ.
[12:24] <dom> man, that bot is handy
[12:24] <dom> the grub link should fix everyone's problems though
[12:25] <jdmmade> can anyone tell me how to  turn my screen brightness up more?
[12:25] <dom> !brightness
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brightness - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <daquin1> is irc.ubuntu.org a relay for irc.freeonde.net?
[12:25] <dom> damn!
[12:25] <dom> daquin1, yes
[12:25] <Kr4t05> !language
[12:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:25] <jdmmade> !bright
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bright - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <Kr4t05> jdmmade: What kind of video card do you have?
[12:26] <jdmmade> intel 950
[12:26] <jdmmade> or something
[12:26] <daquin1> wahts with the bug in kubuntu that some times windows show up super small WxH
[12:26] <Kr4t05> Hrm... Does anyone know if the Intel drivers have any configuration tool?
[12:26] <daquin1> and i think i found a bug in the wireless assisstant or something underlying
[12:26] <daquin1> the way it runs the iwconfig line is wrong
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hmm ../boot/boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly..
[12:29] <llutz> BluesKaj: ../boot/boot/grub/stage2 ?? should be /boot/grub/stage2
[12:30] <darksoul_> YAYYYY!!!! AFTER 2 DAYS I MADE MY ATI RADEON DRIVERS INSTALLED
[12:31] <BluesKaj> sowhere do I fix that line , llutz?
[12:31] <llutz> BluesKaj: good question, next one please ;) sry no idea
[12:31] <llutz> BluesKaj: which prog gives you that error?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I don't see the point of dumping windows to restore grub , when grub is broken and almosy impossible to fix in the first place
[12:38] <hasan> hi guys
[12:39] <dragonfordge> reinstall your linux
[12:39] <BluesKaj> i've restored grub in various ways , always with same outcome : "error 15 , file not found"
[12:39] <hasan> is there anybody who ahs achieved to sync his mobile phone with kubuntu?
[12:39] <hasan> mobile phone and kubuntu?
[12:39] <dragonfordge> will reload grub
[12:39] <hasan> do they go well with each other?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> dragonfordge, it's linux' fault that grub is broken after a synaptic update which broke it
[12:40] <dragonfordge> im running xp and umbuntu
[12:40] <BluesKaj> same here
[12:40] <dragonfordge> on the same drive
[12:40] <BluesKaj> same here
[12:40] <BluesKaj> :)
[12:40] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I understand your frustration but I've yet to hear of this issue with any recent updates affecting anyone else. Perhaps your case is isolated.
[12:41] <dragonfordge> did have it on seprate drives at one time
[12:41] <BluesKaj> i've seen several complaints of the same problem ....so far no fixes
[12:41] <dragonfordge> win xp woulnt start with linux drive out
[12:41] <llutz> BluesKaj: can you paste your menu.lst please?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ok, hangon
[12:43] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I would think that if several people have this problem, a bug report or forum topic must have been created. If that is the case, then a bug fix should be along shortly. I suppose you will have to experiment a bit or wait for a solution...
[12:43] <dragonfordge> its the only way i know to reinstall grub
[12:43] <dragonfordge> hope so
[12:44] <GSF1200S> im kind of a speed whore guys.. any of you know of any superfast yet stable KDE distros to tinker with on the side?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> ok gents : http://www.pastebin.ca/568973
[12:44] <Syndicat3> Could someone please message me? I almost have beryl working....
[12:44] <c0rrupt> bah, i forgot who was helping me yesterday but i still cannot resolve my problems with the xserver locking up on boot
[12:45] <c0rrupt> used to work perfectly in v6, might be a problem with the xserver itself
[12:45] <llutz> BluesKaj: can you please paste "ls -l /" too
[12:45] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, I'm using supergrub disk to do a direct linux boot into kubuntu ...atleast that works
[12:45] <GSF1200S> Syndicat3.. whats not working
[12:45] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, may I whisper you?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> llutz, http://www.pastebin.ca/568976
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yes NickPresta ?
[12:47] <llutz> BluesKaj: the kernel-lines in menu.lst are broken
[12:48] <llutz> BluesKaj: kernel   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic ....
[12:48] <llutz> BluesKaj: the path in your file is wrong, therefor: file not found
[12:49] <waylandbill> okay. I've used Kubuntu for 12 months now.  Are you a Lord of the Rings fan?
[12:52] <Arwen> waylandbill, na, LoTR is for British buggers :-)
[12:52] <cyberg7358> Hello from Tampa, Fl (New Ubuntu user)
[12:53] <waylandbill> BluesKaj: sorry thought you were an aussie. I must've confused you with someone else. ooops
[12:53] <llutz> BluesKaj: try this one http://www.pastebin.ca/568985
[12:53] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I'm in Canada too. Where are you from?
[12:55] <darksoul_> is it possible to install direct x in wine?
[12:55] <dom> waylandbill,  I think my earlier Kubuntu disks are the 5.x discs, so that would be two years.  i think. i've definitely got a 5.10 disc here by i could've sworn i had a 5.04 too.  maybe not
[12:55] <snowdonkey> Hi, how do I see what my motherboard model is?
[12:55] <Arwen> darksoul_, well, you can use native dx libraries, but they won't necessarily work
[12:55] <Arwen> the end result is about the same though
[12:56] <waylandbill> darksoul_: nope. Wine inplements DX, but I think 9 is not fully done yet. 10 is supposed to be a step forward.
[12:56] <banksey> Can someone please tell me how to run RPm files, Would be greatly appricated :)
[12:57] <darksoul_> Arwen how do i do that?
[12:57] <eriefisher> Hello fellow Canadians
[12:57] <GSF1200S> banksey.. alien
[12:57] <Chousuke> banksey: As a precaution: don't run rpm files. the answer: alien
[12:57] <llutz> banksey: you can convert them with alien into .deb
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> why in god's name would you want to mess with rpms?
[12:57] <erichj> banksey: install fedora, rpm is a fedora thing
[12:57] <waylandbill> snowdonkey: Look for the FCC ID silk screened on the circuit boarf
[12:57] <GSF1200S> and that doesnt mean its going to go smoothly
[12:57] <darksoul_> waylandbill you are saying that i can try installing dx 9?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> I'm in a small town near Sudbury , NickPresta
[12:57] <Chousuke> darksoul_: no
[12:57] <Arwen> darksoul_, in winecfg, you can specify which libraries to override with native ones
[12:57] <Arwen> darksoul_, but no, you can not actually install DirectX
[12:58] <banksey> Thank you erichj
[12:58] <waylandbill> darksoul_: you cannot install DX9. Reverse engineering is getting to the point of implementing it.
[12:58] <Chousuke> darksoul_: direcx depends too much on core system components and hardware
[12:58] <Chousuke> darksoul_: wine implements its own version of directx9
[12:58] <snowdonkey> waylandbill Ok I will try, but no command to print motherboard information?  I'm just trying to figure out which drivers to download
[12:58] <Chousuke> darksoul_: if the app doesn't work with that, then your only option is to wait for them to fix the bugs
[12:58] <waylandbill> snowdonkey: the best is to physically look at it.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, where are you located?
[12:59] <Chousuke> darksoul_: dx9 is being worked on intensively, since many devs want game support, but don't expect too much too soon
[12:59] <snowdonkey> waylandbill: alright, thanks.
[12:59] <Chousuke> darksoul_: many games already work though.
[01:00] <banksey> Thanks all for help :)
[01:00] <darksoul_> i try to make lineage 2 work and i get You have triggered a bug in the DirectX 9.0 runtime. Please install DirectX 8.1b (or later) for a fix. See Release Notes for instructions on how to obtain it.
[01:01] <Chousuke> darksoul_: wine also has support for dx8.1
[01:01] <Chousuke> but it sounds like a bug
[01:01] <darksoul_> i got that but i do not know how i can fix it
[01:01] <Chousuke> check the app database if there's a fix or a workaround.
[01:01] <waylandbill> darksoul_: time is your solution. If you want submit a bug report to the proper developers
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> throw a little money in with it, greases the wheels :D
[01:02] <waylandbill> :)
[01:02] <Chousuke> the winehq site could use a redesign
[01:02] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, I'm in Toronto :P
[01:02] <Chousuke> I always spend a lot of time looking for the appdb link
[01:03] <BluesKaj> ok, I have 2 daughters living in toronto , NickPresta
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> it's the one on the left that says App DB
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> but i agree, it's too cluttered
[01:03] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, where do i find the root partition indicator in the file ?
[01:04] <Chousuke> darksoul_: which version of lineage 2 is this?
[01:04] <Chousuke> darksoul_: the appdb says chronicle 4 works.
[01:05] <BluesKaj> well, I've done what ican so far
[01:06] <waylandbill> I wish I could chat more, but must sleep. Compute well without me.
[01:06] <darksoul_> Chousuke i have installed Lineage II Interlude i think it is c5 or c6
[01:06] <Chousuke> hmm
[01:06] <Chousuke> c5 is reported as nonworking
[01:07] <Chousuke> though with old versions
[01:13] <Syndi> what is that channel again
[01:13] <Syndi> ubuntu-effects?
[01:13] <Arwen> Syndi, yes
[01:13] <mark_> I'm trying to help my dad (via long distance) get his wireless network up and running. He's completely new to Linux so I suggessted kUbuntu. I had to use ndiswrapper to get my system setup. Can anyone reccommend a good web-page?
[01:13] <Syndi> nobody is there
[01:13] <Syndi> ;/
[01:13] <Syndi> in the channel...
[01:13] <Syndi> hmmm
[01:14] <Arwen> Syndi, your problem?
[01:14] <Syndi> nm
[01:14] <Syndi> oh
[01:14] <Syndi> ok
[01:14] <Syndi> i messed around with some settings
[01:14] <Syndi> in beryl
[01:14] <Syndi> i messed up the fire animation
[01:14] <Syndi> and i want it back to how it was
[01:15] <Arwen> Syndi, click the brush icons... they revert settings
[01:15] <snowdonkey> The Beryl install instructions page for Ubuntu appears only to be for Feisty?  Is it safe to use in Dapper?  The Dapper FAQ on the site is empty.  The isntall instructions are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Support_for_nVidia_cards
[01:15] <mark_> Also a bit of clarification... He finally gets it to "see" his device, but can't load up any websites. Also no response on commandline apt-get update. Any suggesstions?
[01:17] <ManiDhillon> !DVD
[01:17] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:18] <Syndi> thanks so much
[01:28] <VSpike> can anyone suggest a good lm-sensors display program for kde?
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> VSpike- KSensors is pretty good
[01:34] <VSpike> Dragnslcr: I can't remember why now, but I recall not liking it.. but I'll have another go, thanks
[01:35] <Dragnslcr> It's the only one I've found so far that's even remotely decent
[01:38] <yurimxpxman_> is there any way to change the K button image?
[01:39] <VSpike> Dragnslcr: is there any way to get anything other than those horrible gauges?
[01:40] <hasan> hi
[01:40] <hasan> how do i install arts
[01:40] <hasan> i try to use krec but it says
[01:40] <hasan> i lack arts what is that?
[01:40] <hasan> anybody has any idea?
[01:41] <hasan> your system missing synth_stereo_compressor
[01:41] <hasan> ???!!!!
[01:41] <VSpike> hasan: arts is a realtime sound mixer and synth
[01:41] <hasan> so
[01:41] <hasan> what do i have to install it ?
[01:41] <Arwen> arts is a daemon for sound control
[01:41] <hasan> is it a part of kdemultimedia package?
[01:42] <Arwen> hasan, try apt-get install arts
[01:42] <hasan> so how can i start it
[01:42] <hasan> ive already tried that
[01:42] <Arwen> "artsd"
[01:42] <hasan> sanitize
[01:42] <hasan> root@TrueFX:~# sudo artsd
[01:42] <hasan> Creating link /root/.kde/socket-TrueFX.
[01:42] <hasan> can't create mcop directory
[01:42] <hasan> root@TrueFX:~#
[01:42] <hasan> root@TrueFX:~#
[01:43] <Arwen> oh ho ho..
[01:43] <Arwen> try it without sudo
[01:43] <hasan> same result
[01:43] <hasan> ive done it also
[01:43] <hasan> :)
[01:43] <Arwen> hmm, no idea then
[01:43] <hasan> ok thx thought
[01:44] <hasan> though*
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> try not running as root.
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> VSpike- not that I've found
[02:00] <joyy> hi
[02:00] <joyy> why does kubuntu 7.04 see my ata as SCSI?
[02:00] <Arwen> because of a change in libatqa
[02:01] <Arwen> libata*
[02:01] <Arwen> everything's SCSI now
[02:01] <joyy> oh so it's not wrong?
[02:01] <joyy> what about the EFIboot? Is that ok too?
[02:01] <Arwen> no idea, I have a BIOS
[02:02] <joyy> I have too
[02:02] <joyy> I am talking about Kubuntu setting the boot partition as Efiboot
[02:02] <joyy> odd
[02:02] <Arwen> didn't you just say you had an EFI-based system?
[02:03] <rolnyzx_> does anybody have a bunch of firefox crashes with flash websites? to me it's really annoying, specially when I am downloading big files, and the transfers break
[02:03] <joyy> it's a Dell
[02:03] <joyy> no I didn't
[02:03] <joyy> i have ATA drives not SATA or SCSI
[02:04] <Arwen> yes.... didn't we already discuss the fact that all ATA drives are seen as SCSI now?
[02:04] <joyy> well you then mentioned something about Efi based system
[02:05] <Arwen> because you just mentioned efi boot...
[02:06] <joyy> oh man I was freaking out
[02:06] <joyy> I was gonna install ubuntu 6.10
[02:06] <joyy> another question
[02:06] <joyy> kubuntu is giving me a hard time to install LVM
[02:06] <Arwen> nah. as a side effect, it makes it easier to answer the noob question "omg, liek how do I mount partitions"
[02:06] <joyy> wussup with that?
[02:07] <Arwen> joyy, eh, don't know. I don't use LVM.
[02:07] <joyy> I set one logical volume and it takes FOREVER to set it
[02:07] <joyy> in Gentoo I finish the whole thing in a split of a second
[02:07] <joyy> is there a PURE command line install for Ubuntu?
[02:07] <joyy> that text based is stupid
[02:07] <Shock> joyy same happened to me too
[02:08] <joyy> then I doesn't understand that I WANT FUCKING ROOT in lvm
[02:08] <Shock> mine is in lvm
[02:08] <PriceChild> !ohmy | joyy
[02:08] <ubotu> joyy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:08] <joyy> Shock, why, how did you do that?
[02:08] <joyy> when I set in root and I try to advance tells me STOP NO ROOT partition
[02:09] <joyy> PriceChild, sorry, this is really frustrating
[02:09] <Shock> try to build the ubuntu kernel, that's frustrating
[02:11] <joyy> Shock, what do you mean
[02:11] <joyy> since you alreayd are there, could you let me know the steps?
[02:11] <erichj> seeing your girlfriend for the first time in a month and not having protection, that
[02:11] <Shock> the kernel sources that you get with apt are messed up
[02:11] <erichj> is frustrating
[02:12] <rrs> anyone knows kopete and webcams?
[02:12] <Shock> the debian build system is incomplete
[02:12] <joyy> Shock, I am saying from  a virgin install
[02:12] <joyy> *mint install
[02:13] <Shock> you have to get the sources with git
[02:13] <ToddEDM2> hey, i got a problem with kubuntu freezing u, then working for about 2 seconds, then freezing up again..... anyone know a fix?
[02:13] <rrs> nobody using kopete with a webcam?
[02:13] <ToddEDM2> not me rrs
[02:13] <rrs> thans for answer
[02:13] <Shock> kopete? what's that?
[02:13] <ToddEDM2> msn
[02:13] <rrs> kopete is to connect to msn and others
[02:14] <Shock> kiddin'; apt-get remove --purge kopete
[02:14] <rrs> Todd you checked if a process uses all cpu?
[02:14] <Shock> that's what i did after the install
[02:14] <ToddEDM2> no rss , how?
[02:14] <joyy> ok so I'll do plan B, regular install within a tight space, leave an empty space for LVM.
[02:14] <rrs> with top
[02:15] <joyy> Once I install Kubuntu I set up LVM then move the directories
[02:15] <rrs> you know top?
[02:15] <joyy> or edit fstab
[02:15] <joyy> will that work?
[02:15] <ToddEDM2> nope, im new, just installed this last night
[02:15] <Shock> joyy: what's the error you get?
[02:15] <joyy> I am kinda desperate
[02:15] <rrs> ahh ok you know how to open a console window?
[02:15] <ToddEDM2> yup i got one open
[02:15] <joyy> doesn't let me go on after I am set with the partitions 'cause I don't have a / one
[02:15] <rrs> ok, then write "top" into it
[02:15] <rrs> and enter
[02:15] <joyy> and I do have root in lvm
[02:16] <Shock> joyy: describe the steps
[02:16] <Shock> can you make a picture of the installer showing the root partition?
[02:17] <Shock>  /dev/mapper/vg0-root on / type reiserfs (rw)
[02:17] <rrs> and does it show a process   that uses all cpu?
[02:17] <ToddEDM2> no
[02:17] <Shock> that's my baby
[02:17] <ToddEDM2> ohhh wait
[02:17] <ToddEDM2> lol top is using 104%
[02:18] <joyy> Shock, during the initial install?
[02:18] <rrs> omg?
[02:18] <joyy> or after I've the reglar installation?
[02:18] <Shock> joyy: yes
[02:18] <ToddEDM2> ok, hold on
[02:18] <Shock> ToddEDM2: type ctrl-esc
[02:18] <ToddEDM2> hald-addon-stor
[02:18] <Shock> that should bring up ksysguard
[02:18] <ToddEDM2> using 100
[02:18] <rrs> ok you can quit top by pressing q
[02:19] <rrs> I guess you have  a decent machine?
[02:19] <rrs> what cpu / comp you have
[02:19] <ToddEDM2> its a new acer laptop
[02:19] <ToddEDM2> turion64x2
[02:19] <rrs> k, and it works well with windows i guess
[02:19] <Shock> runninf feisty?
[02:19] <ToddEDM2> 1 gig ram
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> yeah
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> yes feisty
[02:20] <rrs> 64 bit feisty?
[02:20] <rrs> or 32 bit
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> 32
[02:20] <joyy> Shock, how did you manage installing LVM?
[02:20] <joyy> did you do a clean install?
[02:20] <rrs> ok
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> yes
[02:20] <ToddEDM2> windows is off my machine aswell
[02:20] <rrs> how long does a boot take
[02:21] <rrs> is it specially slow?
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> not too long, about normal
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> nope
[02:21] <rrs> k
[02:21] <rrs> so you can log in and work but it stall
[02:21] <rrs> s
[02:21] <rrs> sometimes
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> it actually did this when i had ubuntu installed too
[02:21] <ToddEDM2> now i have kde
[02:22] <rrs> k
[02:22] <Shock> ToddEDM2: put a dvd into the drive
[02:22] <ToddEDM2> one is in it
[02:22] <rrs> where there other process using a lot of cpu ? (in top)
[02:22] <Shock> joyy: yes,, clean install using alternate
[02:22] <ToddEDM2> nope
[02:22] <rrs> it may have to do with some cpu speed adjusting
[02:23] <rrs> hmmm
[02:23] <ToddEDM2> i have a theory, it might be when i was screwing with the transparencies of the windows and crap...
[02:23] <rrs> ok good to know
[02:24] <rrs> but you said you did a clean install to kubuntu
[02:24] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:24] <rrs> and you had the same problem with ubuntu
[02:24] <joyy> hey Beryl work with GeForce 8600?
[02:24] <Shock> ToddEDM2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/75295
[02:24] <joyy> I've got that one
[02:24] <ToddEDM2> yes rrs same problem
[02:24] <rrs> joy.... beryl works
[02:24] <Shock> ToddEDM2: check that thread, it looks like the same behavior
[02:24] <rrs> i got it
[02:25] <julius> if i need to load the module with certain options from bootup how do i do that?
[02:25] <julius> like the default parameters are incorrect
[02:26] <rolnyzx_> is there anyway to have tabs in kde windows like in fluxbox?
[02:26] <rrs> this thread seems to show some work arounds
[02:26] <ToddEDM2> cool.. im reading
[02:26] <rrs> hey todd is the dvd still in the cd tray?
[02:27] <rrs> if yes take it out first
[02:27] <OptimusRex> Good morning everyone. Is there anyone who knows how to get 3ddesk to work with the keyboard shortcuts I want to set?
[02:28] <rrs> hey optimus
[02:28] <rrs> i did this be4 i used beryl
[02:28] <ToddEDM2> rrsyeah i took it out
[02:28] <rrs> so there is nothing in you cdbay
[02:29] <rrs> or you just removed it now?
[02:29] <rrs> because in the thread they talk about cdrom problem
[02:29] <rrs> rmmod ide_cd
[02:29] <rrs>  rmmod cdrom
[02:29] <OptimusRex> rrs. I don't understand
[02:29] <ToddEDM2> i just took it out after you asked before
[02:30] <rrs> ok... is it the same behavour now of kubuntu?
[02:30] <Shock> rolnyzx_: not that i know of
[02:30] <rrs> (does it still freeze)
[02:30] <ToddEDM2> yeah, worse
[02:31] <OptimusRex> Has anyone tried the 3ddesk?
[02:31] <ToddEDM2> im restarting (im a windows user ) lol
[02:31] <Shock> ToddEDM2: what kernel are you on?
[02:31] <rrs> ok try what they propose in the thread.... open a console and disable following modules
[02:31] <rrs> rmmod ide_cd
[02:31] <rrs>  rmmod cdrom
[02:31] <ToddEDM2> shock, i just downloaded it so whatever is newest
[02:31] <rrs> you must be root for that
[02:32] <Shock> ToddEDM2: do "uname -r" in a terminal
[02:32] <ToddEDM2> ok im getting this thing booted up again
[02:33] <OptimusRex> Anyone there with any experience on 3ddesk?
[02:33] <rrs> hey todd
[02:33] <rrs> I found something
[02:33] <rrs> add noapic nolapic
[02:33] <rrs> to the kernel
[02:33] <Shock> when you boot
[02:33] <rrs> I renember now I had once something similar
[02:34] <rrs> yes optimus me
[02:34] <rrs> but I quickly finis help todd
[02:34] <OptimusRex> thanks rrs
[02:34] <rrs> Todd your there?
[02:34] <rrs> or is he rebooting now?
[02:34] <ToddEDM2> ok i got a terminl up
[02:35] <Shock> hey guys does kubuntu drop in text mode from splash on boot when checking and mounting filesystems?
[02:35] <rrs> you know what is grub todd?
[02:35] <ToddEDM2> 2.6.20-16-generic
[02:35] <rrs> as you said todd a decent one
[02:35] <ToddEDM2> grub.. i have heard of it
[02:35] <rrs> ok grub is launching your kubuntu
[02:36] <rrs> so you must add some kernel parameters to grub
[02:36] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:36] <rrs> open a console then become root
[02:36] <rrs> sudo su -
[02:36] <ToddEDM2> k
[02:37] <rrs> then do "vim /boot/brub/menu.lst"
[02:37] <rrs> then do "vim /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[02:37] <rrs> sorry
[02:37] <rrs> the 2nd line
[02:37] <ToddEDM2> ok done
[02:38] <rrs> now you use the arrows and you go down
[02:38] <ToddEDM2> its all on one page
[02:38] <rrs> and you search the line of your actual kernel
[02:38] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:38] <rrs> it starts like.... title .... Ubuntu blabla
[02:40] <rrs> you found it?
[02:40] <ToddEDM2> not really
[02:40] <ToddEDM2> lol
[02:41] <rrs> ok you scroll down in the file right?
[02:41] <rrs> go all down to the bottom
[02:41] <ToddEDM2> duh.. yea i found it
[02:41] <rrs> with the down arrow
[02:42] <rrs> ok now look for the line
[02:42] <rrs> "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic"
[02:42] <rrs> or similar
[02:42] <ToddEDM2> k
[02:43] <rrs> in front it says "kernel"
[02:44] <rrs> and then "/boot/vmlinuz....
[02:44] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:44] <joyy> isn't there an ubuntu LVM guide?
[02:44] <rrs> ok now you will see you have different entries
[02:44] <joyy> how are users supposed to install it then?
[02:44] <joyy> by doing magic?
[02:44] <rrs> this are the entries which you see when you boot linux
[02:44] <joyy> this is retarded
[02:44] <ToddEDM2> yeah
[02:44] <rrs> good
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> i have 4
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> 5 sorry
[02:45] <rrs> go with the cursor to the "kernel" line which represent your current kernel
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:45] <rrs> probably it is the first
[02:45] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:45] <rrs> after "savedefault"
[02:45] <rrs> ok
[02:45] <rrs> now I explain you what all is about
[02:46] <rrs> I found this in a thread:
[02:46] <rrs> i added the noapic acpi=noirq to my boot option and it done the job for me
[02:46] <rrs> here's a list of other options that might be useful and a little howto i followed to do this
[02:46] <rrs> => we try now to add thouse boot options to your kernel
[02:46] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:46] <rrs> it seems ubuntu have problems in combination with some mainboards
[02:47] <rrs> so go with your cursor at the end of the kernel line
[02:47] <rrs> it should say something like " ro single"
[02:47] <rrs> at the end of the "kernel" line
[02:48] <ToddEDM2> ro quiet
[02:48] <rrs> yea
[02:48] <ToddEDM2> ro quiet splash
[02:48] <rrs> ro stands for READ ONLY
[02:48] <rrs> "quiet" means it does not show you details on start
[02:48] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:49] <rrs> and "splash" means it shows you an immage
[02:49] <rrs> now we will add the needed parameters
[02:49] <rrs> so are you with your cursor on the "h" of splash?
[02:49] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:49] <rrs> now you press the letter "i" for insert
[02:50] <rrs> then you mace a "space"
[02:50] <rrs> make
[02:50] <rrs> and you type
[02:50] <rrs> noapic acpi=noirq
[02:50] <rrs> after the space
[02:51] <rrs> your line should then look like:
[02:51] <rrs> kernel blablabla.... ro quiet splash  noapic acpi=noirq
[02:51] <ToddEDM2> yup
[02:52] <rrs> ok now you press "esc"
[02:52] <rrs> then you press the following 3 keys:
[02:52] <rrs> ":wq"
[02:52] <rrs> ":" stands for go to vim menu
[02:53] <rrs> "wq" stands for "write quit"
[02:53] <rrs> then press enter
[02:53] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:53] <rrs> and you are back on the console
[02:53] <ToddEDM2> yup, as root
[02:53] <rrs> ok
[02:53] <rrs> now we check if you did write the right thing
[02:54] <ToddEDM2> lol
[02:54] <rrs> type following on your console
[02:54] <rrs> hehe you see... always double check
[02:54] <rrs> cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |grep kernel
[02:55] <rrs> what does it say
[02:55] <rrs> ?
[02:56] <rrs> are you there?
[02:56] <Minataku> You melted his brain
[02:56] <ToddEDM2> haha
[02:56] <rrs> lol
[02:56] <Minataku> And why the hell are you telling him to use vi?
[02:56] <ToddEDM2> my terminal closed on me
[02:56] <Minataku> nano, man
[02:56] <OptimusRex> these things happen.  Catch up with u guys tomorrow
[02:57] <rrs> ok reopen the console
[02:57] <ToddEDM2> so yeah rrs, its all in there
[02:57] <rrs> and show me the output of cat
[02:57] <rrs> ok
[02:57] <FFForever> hi :D, i run kubuntu 7.10 and when i press mute it says my system is mute but amarok is still playing music
[02:57] <rrs> show me the line please
[02:57] <rrs> with noapic
[02:57] <Minataku> rrs: I tend to discard the output of cat... it doesn't look good
[02:57] <Minataku> Nor does it smell good
[02:58] <Minataku> No value, either, just nasty stuff in all
[02:58] <rrs> wait... you probably do not know how to copy paste
[02:58] <rrs> never mind
[02:58] <rrs> just control it
[02:58] <FFForever> does mute no longer mean mute?
[02:58] <rrs> if you think it is ok
[02:58] <rrs> then you reboot
[02:59] <ToddEDM2> i will reboot, if its messed up i can always re install
[02:59] <rrs> it is not meesed up
[02:59] <ToddEDM2> ok
[02:59] <rrs> we just added 2 parameter
[02:59] <rrs> they will do no harm
[02:59] <FFForever> also i try changing the volume but it does not change sound level on what is playing...
[03:00] <rrs> they will only turn off 2 settings
[03:00] <rrs> of the kernel
[03:00] <ToddEDM2> ok cool
[03:00] <rrs> copy this link: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/feisty-freeze-part-ii-still-not-making.html
[03:00] <Minataku> FFForever: It's probably ARTS
[03:00] <Minataku> Try changing it through KMix instead
[03:00] <FFForever> arts?
[03:00] <rrs> ok Todd
[03:01] <rrs> I hope it helped you
[03:01] <Minataku> Asshole ReTard Sound
[03:01] <Minataku> (Not real expansion)
[03:01] <Minataku> lol
[03:01] <BluesKaj> my grub is totally out to lunch after the so called kernel upgrade ... error 15 again , file still not found after various tries
[03:01] <ToddEDM2> yes rrs?
[03:01] <Minataku> It's this idiot audio middleman crap that KDE uses
[03:01] <ToddEDM2> yes thanks alot man
[03:01] <FFForever> the sound keys on my kb make the kmix thingie come up and it says it is at 30%, but if i make it higher or lower it has no affect in amarok
[03:01] <FFForever> or even youtube....
[03:01] <rrs> you are welcome
[03:02] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yipe. Time to bust out the LiveCD
[03:02] <rrs> I hope it solves your problem, but I am confident
[03:02] <rrs> cya
[03:02] <Minataku> FFForever: Then it's not actually changing it
[03:02] <ToddEDM2> i really appreciate it, i hope it works, so my linux experience is good , and i dont have to go back to windows all frustrated
[03:02] <Minataku> Try changing it with the mouse
[03:02] <FFForever> i opened the kmix and master is changing
[03:02] <BluesKaj> Minataku, no warnings at all
[03:02] <FFForever> it goes up and down...
[03:02] <rrs> dont give up at the beginning
[03:02] <rrs> we all were once frustrated
[03:02] <rrs> hehe
[03:02] <ToddEDM2> lol
[03:02] <rrs> but with windows you are always frustrated ;-)
[03:02] <Minataku> FFForever: It's probably not altering the card's mixer controls
[03:02] <rrs> cya
[03:02] <Minataku> Uh, lemme think
[03:03] <Minataku> !info alsamixer
[03:03] <ubotu> Package alsamixer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:03] <FFForever> if i mute the one with the blue lines it mutes amarok...
[03:03] <rrs> is the 3ddesk guy still here?
[03:03] <Minataku> FFForever: Try running alsamixer
[03:03] <Minataku> See if that exists, it should
[03:03] <Minataku> If it doesn't, I'm gonna go kick someone in the nuts
[03:03] <FFForever> do i need 2 report this as a bug in the goblin?
[03:03] <Minataku> No
[03:04] <rrs> good... the 3ddesk guy left... :o) ... was a boring problem anyway
[03:04] <Minataku> rrs: Haha
[03:04] <ToddEDM2> haha
[03:04] <Minataku> That's the way
[03:04] <ToddEDM2> i was hoping to hear it :(
[03:04] <ToddEDM2> but i wont push my luck... hehe
[03:04] <rrs> high-fives back
[03:04] <Graham> Hey, does anybody know what I need to do to add XGL as a session option?
[03:04] <BluesKaj> rrs , i have grub prob as well, seems like the link is lost
[03:04] <rrs> yes I know Graham
[03:05] <Graham> rrs: Would you please tell me.
[03:05] <ToddEDM2> haha
[03:05] <rrs> you have kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:06] <Minataku> I love the location field of the ROM boot disk of the Macintosh Classic: "hiding somewhere inside this machine"
[03:06] <Minataku> XD
[03:07] <Graham> Umm...  I am bored since I use Kubuntu... everything works
[03:10] <BluesKaj> pk rrs , i did ask you a question a while back
[03:10] <Graham> Neway, Ima go test it. brb
[03:10] <rrs> maybe I switch back to Windows
[03:10] <Graham> Wait not yet
[03:10] <rrs> what was the the question
[03:10] <rrs> blues
[03:10] <BluesKaj> rrs , error 15 , file not found - GRUB
[03:11] <rrs> ahhh
[03:11] <rrs> this is an old one
[03:11] <BluesKaj> thing is it happened after a kernel upgrade
[03:11] <rrs> ok
[03:11] <rrs> let me think
[03:12] <rrs> go to a console
[03:12] <BluesKaj> with no warnings about overwriting
[03:12] <rrs> and become root
[03:12] <rrs> or does it not start at all?
[03:12] <rrs> probably you can not start your linux right?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> it's ther it just erro15s
[03:13] <rrs> ok... so I understand you did a kernel update then after this
[03:13] <rrs> boot stops at err 15 message?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> I start it with a direct linux boot with supergrub disk
[03:13] <BluesKaj> yes boot stops at error 15
[03:13] <Minataku> Hm
[03:14] <rrs> ok
[03:14] <BluesKaj> i'm in kubuntu
[03:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It probably left something out, just update /boot/grub/menu.lst manually
[03:14] <rrs> try this
[03:14] <Minataku> What is Error 15 exactly?
[03:14] <rrs> you use a ubuntu live cd
[03:14] <BluesKaj> yeah Minataku , butwhat ?
[03:14] <rrs> 15 = file not found
[03:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: The kernel images are all in /boot
[03:15] <rrs> it means that there is probably a misstipping in grub
[03:15] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Tell me the files in /boot
[03:15] <Minataku> But yeah, it sounds like something didn't complete or someone made a nasty gaffe
[03:15] <BluesKaj> no I'm in my installed partition, but i need the supergrub disk to boot directly into it...I prefer to restore grub to an operative statr ..if you know what i mean
[03:16] <secleinteer> hi, i'm getting scratchy audio in vlc, but not in amarok/kaffeine or any of the kde apps. does anyone know how to fix this?
[03:16] <Minataku> BluesKaj: That's what I'm trying to help you do
[03:16] <Minataku> Now tell me the files in /boot
[03:16] <rrs> well BluesKaj... do what Minataku propose you
[03:16] <Minataku> Pastebin it
[03:16] <rrs> he can only help you if you do what he says.....
[03:16] <Minataku> Then pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:16] <Minataku> I'll try and fix it for you
[03:18] <BluesKaj> hangon
[03:18] <Minataku> k
[03:18] <eriefisher> BluesKaj:grub is not broke,it cant find the kernel
[03:18] <Minataku> eriefisher: Got it under control
[03:18] <eriefisher> can you select another kernel from the list
[03:18] <eriefisher> sorry
[03:19] <Minataku> s'ok
[03:19] <BluesKaj> http://www.pastebin.ca/569164
[03:20] <Minataku> Now I need the list of files in /boot
[03:20] <BluesKaj> where do i go for that
[03:20] <Minataku> ...
[03:20] <Minataku> ls /boot
[03:20] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:21] <Minataku> Please, retain your basic thought processes
[03:21] <Minataku> :P
[03:22] <BluesKaj> http://www.pastebin.ca/569178
[03:22] <BluesKaj> <--- a bit frustrated and pi**ed off
[03:23] <BluesKaj> eriefisher, to me it's broken if it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
[03:23] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yeah, and the fact that this file should work only pisses us both off
[03:24] <Minataku> There's nothing I can see wrong with this file
[03:25] <smiwool> hola
[03:25] <Minataku> !es | smiwool
[03:25] <ubotu> smiwool: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:25] <Minataku> :3
[03:25] <smiwool> gracias
[03:25] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yeah, this file is fine, there's no reason it should be failing.
[03:25] <Minataku> smiwool: De nada
[03:26] <Minataku> BluesKaj: The Error 15
[03:26] <Minataku> Is it before the menu comes up?
[03:26] <FFForever> back sorry laptop died
[03:26] <Minataku> Or when you try to boot an entry?
[03:26] <FFForever> so how do i make  master control them all....
[03:26] <FFForever> master is not affecting the wave....
[03:26] <Minataku> I gotta say, I "love" how Kubuntu doesn't save the old kernel as a backup
[03:26] <FFForever> it does...
[03:26] <Minataku> That's incredibly "smart" and a "good idea"
[03:26] <normal> hi, i'm a novice, how do i install xmms, and play dvd in my system?
[03:27] <FFForever> i have 3 kernels....
[03:27] <Minataku> It doesn't seem to for BluesKaj
[03:27] <Minataku> Unless he deleted the old one
[03:27] <BluesKaj> ok Minataku BTW i did try the grub reinstall with the live cd but the the so called "not partitioning " and just installing grub instead of the whole OS didn't work for me either ...either i misread the instructions or my mind is kinda thick today
[03:27] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Heh
[03:27] <FFForever> can i install grub 4m windows?
[03:27] <Minataku> I think we both need some time away, this is confusing me
[03:28] <FFForever> (vista)
[03:28] <rrs> Hey Blues
[03:28] <BluesKaj> no the rror come when choosing the kernel in the grub menu
[03:28] <Minataku> There's no reason this file should fail to boot the kernel
[03:28] <BluesKaj> comes up
[03:28] <Minataku> None at all
[03:28] <BluesKaj> hi rrs
[03:28] <rrs> is your /etc/fstab pointing to the right place?
[03:28] <rrs> of root?
[03:28] <Minataku> That's all I can think, the mapping is bad
[03:28] <Minataku> It changed somehow
[03:29] <FFForever> anyways how do i fix my sound problem?
[03:29] <Minataku> But I don't know
[03:29] <Minataku> FFForever: I have no clue, sorry
[03:29] <FFForever> so i do report this as a bug?
[03:29] <FFForever> in the new 7.10?
[03:29] <rrs> Blues?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> i can't read fstab worth sh*t so i'll let you guys look at it if you don't mind
[03:29] <Minataku> FFForever: Just hang around and ask again in, like, 30 or 60 minutes
[03:30] <FFForever> kk
[03:30] <Minataku> fstab probably won't help
[03:30] <rrs> ok show it
[03:30] <Minataku> GRUB doesn't care about it
[03:30] <Minataku> GRUB has it's internal mapping system
[03:30] <rrs> I know
[03:30] <FFForever> also when i start xchat (after upgrading my system from 7.04 to 7.10) i get this..., Couldn't connect to session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session
[03:30] <Minataku> Remember, it's previous to Linux booting
[03:30] <rrs> but let me check something
[03:30] <Minataku> k
[03:31] <Minataku> http://www.pastebin.ca/569164 http://www.pastebin.ca/569178 << rrs
[03:31] <Minataku> His menu.lst and files in /boot
[03:31] <Minataku> Respectively
[03:31] <Minataku> I'll hand this off to you
[03:31] <BluesKaj> here's my fstab file : http://www.pastebin.ca/569194
[03:31] <Minataku> I'm stumped
[03:31] <Arwen> FFForever, well, whatcha using 7.10 for? it's not working yet.
[03:31] <rrs> thanks
[03:31] <Minataku> And you seem to have an idea all the same
[03:32] <Minataku> Yeah, when they say "unstable" around here, it's literal
[03:32] <FFForever> it boots does it not :D
[03:32] <FFForever> if it boots then it is working XD
[03:32] <FFForever> everything else is just extra XD
[03:32] <Minataku> Because they can't get their sh*t together until it's been some 6 months or so
[03:32] <Minataku> It's the price of simplicity
[03:32] <FFForever> + if ppl like me don't run/test the new stuff how do they know what is broken
[03:33] <Pollywog> FFForever: you do use a "spare" machine for the unstable stuff, right?
[03:33] <Zabulus> alright, this may not be the right spot since im on my windows partition, but i need some help with dvd burner issues
[03:33] <FFForever> no :)
[03:33] <rrs> erm... are you sure this is the fstab of your UBUNTU???
[03:33] <FFForever> i only have 2 systems :)
[03:33] <Minataku> Heh, I use Gentoo with keyword ~x86
[03:33] <FFForever> my server and my laptop
[03:33] <Pollywog> if you only have one machine, don't do it unless you have a separate partition, otherwise you have to like living dangerously
[03:33] <Pollywog> ;)
[03:33] <rrs> Blues?
[03:34] <Minataku> rrs: It looks kinda like a Kubuntu fstab
[03:34] <FFForever> i live dangerous all the time
[03:34] <Minataku> If a little goofy
[03:34] <Minataku> But then I have a nice, clean fstab
[03:34] <rrs> yes but look at the hda1 entry
[03:34] <Minataku> That was the goofy part
[03:34] <Minataku> lol
[03:34] <Minataku> Woah
[03:34] <Minataku> It's even goofier looking than I thought O.O
[03:35] <Minataku> BluesKaj: What the hell did you do?
[03:35] <FFForever> hda1 is vista, hda2 is xp, hda3 is 2k, hda4 is 98, and hda4 is 3.11, lastly hda5 is kubuntu
[03:35] <rrs> it is messed up
[03:35] <Minataku> It looks like a damn bomb went off inside your fstab
[03:35] <rrs> I see no root entry
[03:35] <FFForever> hda5 is 3.11, 6 is kubutu*
[03:35] <Arwen> FFForever, lol, that's a lot of Windows...
[03:35] <Zabulus> and why the hell do you still have 3.11?
[03:35] <Minataku> Huh, you're right
[03:35] <rrs> grub is starting correctly... minataku you checked that
[03:36] <Arwen> Zabulus, nostalgia? :-)
[03:36] <rrs> after thet fstab is loaded
[03:36] <justasking> i was kind of hoping that it would select the proper hard drive and it would setup the hard drive automaticly but I am having to setup the hard drive manually, anyone know out of 97.65 how much should be root how much should be ext3 and how much swap?
[03:36] <rrs> and boooom
[03:36] <Minataku> rrs: How the fu*k is that even a running Linux system !?
[03:36] <FFForever> hdh has like 7 different linux distros
[03:36] <rrs> it is not
[03:36] <rrs> hehe
[03:36] <Minataku> Heh
[03:36] <FFForever> hdb*
[03:36] <rrs> he boots with subergrub
[03:36] <Minataku> Yeah, that's totally goofed up
[03:36] <Zabulus> the only reason i would have nostalgia for 3.11 was because we had doom 2 on ours
[03:36] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Somebody set up you the bomb
[03:37] <FFForever> on hdb i have ubuntu 6.04, suse, gentoo, mepis, dream linux, and a few others :D
[03:37] <rrs> are you there BluesKaj?
[03:37] <rrs> we found your problem
[03:37] <FFForever> do i have enough?
[03:37] <Minataku> justasking: Make swap as much as it takes to fill out RAM to 4GB
[03:37] <Minataku> Unless it's greater than 2GB
[03:37] <Minataku> justasking: How much RAM do you have?
[03:37] <Minataku> Physical, that is
[03:38] <Minataku> rrs: Heh
[03:38] <Minataku> Good thought asking for the fstab
[03:38] <Minataku> Someone blenderized that thing
[03:38] <rrs> you controlled what I have thought first too
[03:38] <Minataku> Heh
[03:38] <justasking> minataku: what do you mean? i have 1gig of ram installed.. so are you saying i should have a swap of 1gig or 4?
[03:38] <rrs> then I thougth it must be later in booting
[03:38] <Minataku> justasking: Make it 2GB
[03:38] <Zabulus> alright, lets see who can help, running windows part right now, but w/e, i have 2 dvd burners in my computer, seperate ide cables, both set as master
[03:38] <Minataku> That's what I have
[03:39] <Zabulus> but one of them doesnt like for me to access it, any ideas?
[03:39] <rrs> *wants a beer too"
[03:39] <justasking> minataku: and I only need 1 swap?
[03:39] <Minataku> 1GB physical, 2GB swap for a total of 3GB virtual
[03:39] <Minataku> justasking: 2GB swap
[03:39] <rrs> Hey Blues... do not tell us you left...
[03:39] <ToddEDM2> rrs i will drink one for you
[03:39] <Minataku> Traditional rule of thumb is 2x physical
[03:39] <rrs> oh... that is so fucking kind
[03:39] <rrs> !!!
[03:40] <rrs> grrr
[03:40] <BluesKaj> i have 1G swap and it never seems to get any action :)
[03:40] <rrs> Blues
[03:40] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Somebody set up you the bomb
[03:40] <rrs> we found your probelm
[03:40] <Zabulus> 2 x physical? damn, i just added 3 gigs of ram -_-
[03:40] <rrs> are you interessted in the solution?
[03:40] <Minataku> Your /etc/fstab is bombed
[03:40] <Minataku> Zabulus: Up to 4GB total virtual
[03:40] <ToddEDM2> BOOM
[03:40] <Minataku> 4GB physical RAM, 0 swap
[03:40] <Zabulus> whatever, i had it set to 1 gig i think
[03:40] <BluesKaj> uhoh ...so now what ..rrs ?
[03:40] <rrs> i guess his keyboard is stuck too
[03:40] <Minataku> Heh
[03:41] <rrs> ok
[03:41] <ToddEDM2> hey rrs, when i get back from getting some booze, will you help me with my nvidia drivers?
[03:41] <rrs> we must rebuild it
[03:41] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Fix your fstab manually
[03:41] <rrs> yea
[03:41] <rrs> I will
[03:41] <ToddEDM2> thanks man
[03:41] <Minataku> Cool, thanks, rrs
[03:41] <ToddEDM2> bbiab
[03:41] <Minataku> I'll sit here and groove to some Funk remixes
[03:41] <Minataku> If I'm not out of them already
[03:41] <rrs> ok blues... we need to    know what is your root fs
[03:41] <Minataku> I think I've got one or two left
[03:41] <Minataku> lol
[03:42] <rrs> hehe
[03:42] <Minataku> For great justice, take off every /dev/zig
[03:42] <Minataku> XD
[03:42] <rrs> ok blues
[03:42] <rrs> are you with me?
[03:43] <rrs> huhu?
[03:43] <Minataku> rrs: Don't be too impatient
[03:43] <Minataku> He's probably been drinking
[03:43] <Minataku> XD
[03:43] <rrs> yea you a right.. it takes a long time to say.... yes... i am with you lol
[03:43] <Minataku> After all this, who would blame him, right? X3
[03:43] <rrs> lol
[03:43] <BluesKaj> nope, just looking for root in the fstab file
[03:43] <Minataku> Don't bother
[03:43] <rrs> ahh
[03:43] <Zabulus> so where should i go for help with dvd burners?
[03:43] <VHockey86> can anyone fathom what could possibly cause a ps/2 keyboard to not work in kunbutu 7.04? I just did a fresh install from 6.06 to 7.04 and my keyboard goes dead halfway through booting
[03:43] <Minataku> Your fstab is toast
[03:43] <rrs> there is no root
[03:44] <rrs> this your probelm
[03:44] <Minataku> Delete it
[03:44] <Minataku> Start a new one
[03:44] <rrs> we make a new one
[03:44] <Minataku> Well... yeah, delete it, backing it up really won't help here
[03:44] <Minataku> lol
[03:44] <BluesKaj> selectall &delete ?
[03:44] <rrs> can you do it on your own?
[03:44] <rrs> yes
[03:44] <rrs> it is toas
[03:44] <rrs> t
[03:45] <BluesKaj> ok blank
[03:45] <rrs> ok
[03:45] <Minataku> Like I said, someone set up your fstab the bomb
[03:45] <rrs> now we need to know where you installed your /
[03:45] <Minataku> For great justice, take off evert /dev/zig
[03:45] <Minataku> *every
[03:45] <rrs> do you have feisty?
[03:45] <gon> !stepmania
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <rrs> (because feisty has only sdx )
[03:46] <BluesKaj> hda2 ext3
[03:46] <Bearcat> hey folks. I'm trying to get a scanner working When i use the 7.04 desktop cd kooka discovers my scanner. When i try to use this installed 7.04 distro it does not. I've tried deleting the kookarc file and letting it autogen. What else can i try?
[03:46] <rrs> but I guess you have 6.xx
[03:46] <rrs> ok
[03:46] <rrs> now put following lines
[03:46] <rrs> # <file system>                 <mount point>   <type>          <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:46] <rrs> proc                            /proc           proc            defaults        0       0
[03:46] <rrs> wait
[03:46] <rrs> i make it on pastbin
[03:47] <BluesKaj> xsane image scanner , Bearcat
[03:47] <BluesKaj> rrs, we can pm
[03:48] <rrs> http://www.pastebin.ca/569214
[03:48] <Bearcat> BluesKaj: Thanks. I'd like to get kooka working, but i think i remember that sane is a dependancy of kooka
[03:49] <rrs> you pasted it Blues?
[03:49] <rrs> after that we must check something
[03:49] <BluesKaj> yup, just the 3 lines ?
[03:49] <rrs> yes it is ok to boot
[03:50] <rrs> but now we must adjust your menu.lst
[03:50] <rrs> it must point also to /dev/hda2
[03:50] <rrs> you know how to do?
[03:50] <rrs> or I asist?
[03:51] <ManiDhillon> !wine
[03:51] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:51] <BluesKaj> rrs : kernel	/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ?
[03:52] <rrs> Blues... do yo not have your Kernel Images in boot?
[03:52] <rrs> do you have a separate fs for boot?
[03:53] <rrs> if not it should read
[03:53] <BluesKaj> no
[03:53] <rrs> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[03:53] <Zabulus> need help with dvd burner issues, anyone wanna try and help?
[03:53] <rrs> ok when the kernel is in / or you have a sep partition for boot then you can put as you said
[03:53] <rrs> if not put /boot/ in front
[03:54] <BluesKaj> where does the: kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro ..is this line commented ?
[03:54] <rrs> can you binpaste me you menu.lst?
[03:55] <rrs> if not it is difficult to follow you
[03:55] <Minataku> "This is a hand, not a butt."
 Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:02] <Minataku> Someplace, USA
[04:02] <Minataku> PriceChild: The only person needing help is done being assisted
[04:02] <Minataku> Nobody else is asking
[04:02] <Minataku> Lay off
[04:03] <ToddEDM2> actually i need help
[04:03] <Minataku> It can't be seriousness 24/7, especially when there's no need for it
[04:03] <ManiDhillon> !Opera
[04:03] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked.  And being proprietary doesn't make something crap.
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Minataku: What are you talking about?
[04:08] <Arwen> please don't troll, even in a zealot-oriented channel like this
[04:08] <BluesKaj> success!
[04:08] <rrs> :o)
[04:08] <Minataku> Arwen: That's why it was in quotes, and OSX has a lot more going for it to make it crap
[04:08] <BluesKaj> thx rrs , Minataku
[04:08] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Yay!
[04:08] <DaSkreech> They are just selling a distro
[04:09] <rrs> np
[04:09] <Minataku> No problem, BluesKaj
[04:09] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[04:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:09] <PriceChild> take it elsewhere please.
[04:09] <Minataku> I shoulda saved that /etc/fstab
[04:09] <eriefisher> Zabulus: I run 2 dvd's whats up
[04:09] <DaSkreech> How do I generate UUID?
[04:09] <Minataku> That thing was _messed_ _up_.
[04:09] <DaSkreech> and how does that work anyway?
[04:09] <PriceChild> !uuid | DaSkreech
[04:09] <ubotu> DaSkreech: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:09] <Zabulus> only one of my burners lets me access it for burning
[04:09] <DaSkreech> Does the partition always have the SAME UUID?
[04:09] <Minataku> DaSkreech: I think there's a command for it, try "man -k uuid"
[04:09] <rrs> PriceChild.... could you plase help solve some problems instead to be booring?
[04:09] <BluesKaj> PriceChild, are you the offtopic cop tonite ?
[04:09] <rrs> thans
[04:09] <rrs> k
[04:10] <dorkface> Is anybody with a kubuntu version of hyperterminal that has a scrollbar?  I've tried gtkterminal, konsole, that either don't have one, or is disabled once the program has entered a switch.
[04:10] <Minataku> DaSkreech: It has one assigned to it, yes
[04:10] <Arwen> DaSkreech, yes
[04:10] <PriceChild> rrs, notice my solution to the uuid problem.
[04:10] <Arwen> unless you change it
[04:10] <dorkface> minicom seems to be the answer, but it will not bring up any output from the switch when it is connected
[04:11] <eriefisher> Zabulus: dvd or cds or both
[04:11] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: since we are ina helpful mood tonight how do I make my Linux drive portable?
[04:11] <Minataku> I've never managed to get minicom to work, but then I've never had anything to use it properly with
[04:11] <Zabulus> both, sorry, in windows right now, when i dont have a disc in, it wont let me put anything on the drive for burning
[04:11] <PriceChild> DaSkreech, maybe if you explained "portable"
[04:11] <Zabulus> or when i do have a disc in it still doesnt let me
[04:12] <TheCreationist> If I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: popping it out carrying it to a friends house popping it in one of her spare machines and having it boot without being a baby
[04:12] <Arwen> DaSkreech, uh..........................
[04:12] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Very difficult
[04:12] <rrs> any other help needed?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> right now I think it kernel panics
[04:12] <BluesKaj> ok rrs , this is blasphemy but now i'd like to add windows boot to the grub menu....
[04:12] <Minataku> I don't think it will work
[04:12] <rrs> ufff
[04:13] <rrs> lol
[04:13] <PriceChild> DaSkreech, use a live cd
[04:13] <rrs> yes
[04:13] <rrs> it is easy
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Minataku: it uesed to work great
[04:13] <rrs> add follwoing
[04:13] <Arwen> DaSkreech, you need a custom bootloader. a Live CD would be smarter.
[04:13] <Minataku> Agreed, LiveCD a much better solution
[04:13] <Minataku> LiveCD + USB Key
[04:13] <DaSkreech> So i know it's something. Driver cache or something that I need to turn off
[04:14] <Zabulus> did i lose you eriefisher?
[04:14] <rrs> http://www.pastebin.ca/569242
[04:14] <Minataku> Wow, PriceChild on the warpath tonight
[04:14] <rrs> add this to your grub
[04:14] <eriefisher> Zabulus: are you using k3b or ?? or just sending to
[04:14] <rrs> Blues... btw... you must fix your other grub entries too
[04:14] <Bearcat> what seems to be happening is that kooka is not showing anyting on the "scan parameters" tool. It is a blank box.
[04:15] <DaSkreech> !language | rrs. I guess pastebin's count as well :)
[04:15] <ubotu> rrs. I guess pastebin's count as well :): Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:15] <Arwen> DaSkreech, it's a grub problem
[04:15] <rrs> erm wait
[04:15] <rrs> Blues
[04:15] <Zabulus> doesnt matter what program i use, even going to "my computer" and trying to open the burner folder there it doesnt work
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Arwen: well then explain it to me
[04:15] <BluesKaj> ok rrs, thx got it
[04:15] <rrs> I forogt to say you must adjust the drives...
[04:15] <Arwen> because when you move a hard drive, its drive number changes
[04:15] <Minataku> !windows | Zabulus
[04:15] <ubotu> Zabulus: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[04:15] <rrs> where do you have your windows?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Arwen: Switching to lilo would fix it?
[04:15] <Arwen> no
[04:15] <rrs> what disk, what partition?
[04:15] <Arwen> you need iso/syslinux
[04:15] <ManiDhillon> Arwen i wnt to install Opera Browser via konsole.
[04:15] <Zabulus> the problem is its not just an issue with windows
[04:15] <Minataku> DaSkreech: This is why LiveCDs exist
[04:16] <rrs> hd0,0 = disk 1 partition1
[04:16] <TheCreationist> If I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> rrs  hd0,0 yes
[04:16] <Arwen> ManiDhillon, and what's that have to do with me?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Minataku: not unless I can copy a bunch of my data to it
[04:16] <Minataku> Zabulus: If it fails to work in either OS, suspect bad hardware
[04:16] <rrs> ok
[04:16] <Minataku> Bad cable or bad drive
[04:16] <Minataku> Try it in a different PC
[04:16] <rrs> and you have still messed up your other linux entires
[04:16] <rrs> do not forget to fix this
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Arwen: what is grub doing to make it impossible to boot?
[04:16] <Minataku> DaSkreech: That's what USB Sticks are for
[04:16] <Arwen> it's just not designed for portable scenarios....
[04:17] <Zabulus> its not the hardware, i used it before and it worked fine, then i changed out my ide cables
[04:17] <Arwen> now go burn a live cd and bugger off, geesh
[04:17] <Zabulus> btw, i have them both set to master on seperate ides
[04:17] <ManiDhillon> Arwen i think you know how to!
[04:17] <Minataku> Zabulus: Suspect bad new cable or bad connections
[04:17] <Arwen> ManiDhillon, uh...
[04:17] <Arwen> !opera | ManiDhillon
[04:17] <ubotu> ManiDhillon: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:17] <Minataku> DaSkreech: I think the fact that it used to work was pure luck
[04:17] <eriefisher> Zaulus: return the cables to eliminate
[04:18] <ManiDhillon> Arwen this page was unable to help me, i've checked it week before!
[04:18] <Zabulus> should i try using one cable and setting the drives as primary/slave?
[04:18] <Minataku> Yeah, I'm thinking the cables are bad or you connected them wrong
[04:18] <Arwen> ManiDhillon, well, I don't know then. I don't use Opera.
[04:19] <Minataku> Zabulus: It's actually SOP to have the HDD Master Channel 0 and CD/DVD Master Channel 1
[04:19] <Minataku> There's nothing wrong with doing that
[04:19] <Minataku> SOP == Standard Operating Procedure
[04:19] <Zabulus> hdd is sata, 2 dvd burners on seperate ide both as masters
[04:19] <rrs> what is his problem Minataku?
[04:20] <Minataku> Zabulus: Sounds right to me
[04:20] <Minataku> You said you changed out the cables
[04:20] <Minataku> Suspect bad cables or misconnection
[04:20] <rrs> ok
[04:20] <Zabulus> ill check on that, thanks
[04:20] <rrs> and what are the sympthomes?
[04:20] <Zabulus> btw, has anyone ever had any issue where the dvd burner slows down when using both on one ide?
[04:21] <rrs> yes tabulus
[04:21] <Minataku> Zabulus: That's why you put them on separate channels
[04:21] <rrs> this is normal
[04:22] <Zabulus> ok, how about that it shows them both in the same location  (location 0 (0))?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> well , windows mbr is missing
[04:23] <rrs> did windows work before?
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: windows cd, boot to recovery, fixboot, fixmbr
[04:23] <Minataku> I'll hand Zabulus' issue off to you, rrs
[04:23] <Daisuke_Ido> but blah
[04:23] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: NO, NO, FFS NO
[04:24] <BluesKaj> rrs , no it
[04:24] <Zabulus> its been having issues since i moved them to seperate cables
[04:24] <Minataku> You'll nuke GRUB
[04:24] <BluesKaj> didn't
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: okay...  always worked in the past...
[04:24] <Minataku> Zabulus: Check that you remembered to change the jumpers
[04:24] <rrs> but it is a working windows installation right?
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> of course you'll nuke grub.
[04:24] <Minataku> PriceChild: Sorry if I pissed ya off there
[04:25] <Zabulus> yes, windows is working fine, using that right now, dont wanna take the time to go to my kubuntu, sorry
[04:25] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Considering we just friggin' FIXED it
[04:25] <BluesKaj> yes rrs, used it yesterday to scan some docs
[04:25] <Minataku> We'd rather not break it again
[04:25] <TheCreationist> If I setup Krfb with my account, will I be able to access my PC when others are logged in?  Or do I need to set it up for all their accounts as well?
[04:25] <Daisuke_Ido> point taken
[04:25] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:25] <Minataku> brb
[04:25] <BluesKaj> no rush to fix windows tho
[04:25] <rrs> ok then proceed as saisuke_ldo said
[04:26] <rrs> but then after you must reinstall grub
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> boot to the live cd, chroot into your kubuntu install and install grub?  would that work?
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still learning :)
[04:27] <rrs> you must bind the /proc first
[04:27] <rrs> if not your chroot wont work
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, we just reinstalled grub to make it boot kubuntu
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> you may ask yourself, how do i work this?
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> oh
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> then nevermind.
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> don't touch anything.
[04:27] <BluesKaj> hehe:)
[04:27] <rrs> ok blues
[04:28] <rrs> if you want to have windows and linux u need to major steps
[04:28] <rrs> 1. resintall windows mbr
[04:28] <rrs> 2. reinstall grub
[04:28] <rrs> then both will work
[04:28] <rrs> do you know how to do step 1?
[04:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you may ask yourself, what is that beautiful house?  you may ask yourself, where does that highway GO to?  and i'm going to be quiet now :D
[04:29] <BluesKaj> I tried reinstalling grub with the live cd and wasn't successful
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: that part's a little more complex
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> chroot
[04:29] <rrs> yes of course you were not
[04:29] <rrs> you need to bind /proc
[04:29] <rrs> then chroot
[04:29] <ivan_-_> *quit
[04:29] <rrs> then grub-install
[04:30] <heeq> hey men
[04:30] <rrs> mount -o bind /dev/hda2 /mnt/xxx
[04:30] <rrs> chroot /mnt/xxx
[04:30] <BluesKaj> xxx?
[04:30] <rrs> grub-install /dev/hda
[04:30] <heeq> i'm trying to install "superkaramba" (0,39) but i'm getting some problems..
[04:30] <rrs> you make a directory
[04:30] <rrs> and you can call it xxx
[04:30] <rrs> or yyy
[04:30] <rrs> or zzz
[04:31] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:31] <rrs> or hda
[04:31] <rrs> :)
[04:31] <BluesKaj> hang on
[04:31] <heeq> when I do ./configure, appears "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[04:31] <heeq> can someone please help me? :P
[04:31] <rrs> BUT
[04:31] <rrs> you need first to reinstall windows boot manager
[04:32] <BluesKaj> heeq, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:32] <MECU> help please: I put the kubuntu CD in and try to install and it brings up the logo and a progress bar and never moves
[04:32] <MECU> (same thing with the ubuntu install CD)
[04:32] <rrs> what mainboard mecu?
[04:33] <MECU> don't know/remember
[04:33] <BluesKaj> getting late here rrs, I'll tackle windows probs tomorrow , no big hurry
[04:33] <normal> how do you add programs online?
[04:33] <MECU> rrs: if I had to guess, I think it's a shuttle something
[04:33] <rrs> try to boot with noapic
[04:33] <MECU> rrs: how do I do that?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> heeq: For which program?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> but rrs, I certainly appreciate you efforts and good help :)
[04:34] <rrs> blueskaj
[04:34] <rrs> ok
[04:34] <rrs> cya
[04:34] <rrs> same here
[04:34] <rrs> i go sleep
[04:34] <rrs> 3:40 am
[04:34] <rrs> mecu
[04:35] <rrs> do google for noapic
[04:35] <MECU> ok, thanks
[04:35] <rrs> i pet 50$ that you have a noapic problem
[04:35] <rrs> bet
[04:35] <rrs> cya guys
[04:35] <BluesKaj> cya rrs
[04:36] <DaSkreech> cu
[04:36] <BluesKaj> not leaving , 10:40 PM here , but i think I'll just relax for a while
[04:38] <Zabulus> alright, ignoring the dvd burner issue for a while, i have 4 gigs of ram, when i boot up i see it in the bootup sequence showing 4 gigs, but when i get into kubuntu, it shows total physical memory at 2.95 gigs
[04:41] <heeq> BluesKaj: tks man
[04:41] <Bearcat> is there a command i can use to determine what package can provide a file for me?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> np heeq
[04:41] <heeq> BluesKaj: but now "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[04:41] <heeq> lol
[04:42] <heeq> something about nvidia driver (not installed) ? ;/
[04:42] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:42] <DaSkreech> heeq: which program?
[04:42] <heeq> DaSkreech: superkaramba-0.39
[04:43] <Zabulus> alright, so, can someone at least tell me a good program for copying games to back them up?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> !info superkaramba
[04:43] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 533 kB, installed size 1428 kB
[04:44] <BluesKaj> k9copy, Zabulus
[04:44] <MECU> noapic/nolapic seem to be working
[04:44] <DaSkreech> heeq: the repos have version 4 it seems :)
[04:47] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, it's actually version 3.5.6.
[04:47] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, 3.5.6-0ubuntu2 if you want to get picky.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Oh I thought that was KDE Version
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Looked like Version 4:(KDE)3.5.6 o me
[04:48] <DaSkreech> !info superkaramba gutsy
[04:48] <heeq> 0.39 is the last, really
[04:48] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 534 kB, installed size 1432 kB
[04:48] <heeq> on official page
[04:48] <HumanBlade> hi all. have a Dapper Drake Live CD install issue. anyone willing to input?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: see? version 3.5.7 which  coincidentally is the version of KDE shipping in gutsy
[04:49] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: no clue until we know what it is
[04:49] <BluesKaj> heeq, have you installed nvidia drivers separately or are you using pnp version ?
[04:50] <MECU> who hoo! I'm installing
[04:50] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, my repo only has 3.5.6 for some reason. >_>
[04:50] <heeq> i don't know what is "pnp", but i haven't installed nvidia drivers
[04:50] <HumanBlade> thanks. After trying to use the easy install (Ubiquity?) i go through all the steps, but when it comes to the partition part (you knew it would be...) i select to manually edit
[04:50] <HumanBlade> works in bg and then blank panel
[04:50] <HumanBlade> no visible options
[04:51] <heeq> do I should?
[04:51] <HumanBlade> had setup ext2 and swap with partitionmagic in WinXP prior...
[04:52] <DaSkreech> !kde
[04:52] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: Or read the topic :)
[04:52] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:52] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, same here ...maybe that's the latest stable version in the repos
[04:52] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, I have KDE 3.5.7.
[04:53] <BluesKaj> oops
[04:53] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, I run a small sources.list. I don't have many other repos...
[04:53] <HumanBlade> my question... is there a CLI script to install?
[04:53] <NickPresta> HumanBlade, to install what?
[04:53] <HumanBlade> Kubuntu :)
[04:54] <HumanBlade> having trouble with graphical install
[04:54] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: try the alternate cd
[04:54] <HumanBlade> on dialup :(
[04:54] <BluesKaj> he s trying dapper
[04:55] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: Make a friend who has broadband
[04:55] <DaSkreech> or put high speed internete as a requirement on your next job application :)
[04:55] <HumanBlade> haha, could of course do that. wanted to try and solve with resources i had tonite maybe. :)
[04:56] <BluesKaj> what's the trouble HumanBlade?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: You have the live CD?
[04:56] <HumanBlade> everything seems to work fine, just after it gets part. info, no options are available. getting blank gray panel
[04:56] <HumanBlade> DaSkreech: yes Dapper Drake
[04:56] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: how much RAM do you have ?
[04:57] <HumanBlade> maybe because ext2 + swap are already setup?
[04:57] <HumanBlade> DaSkreech: 256MB
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Shoudl be well enough
[04:57] <DaSkreech> and you have a swap partition?
[04:57] <HumanBlade> setup with PartitionMagic
[04:57] <BluesKaj> have you tried to partition yout drive into windows and linux - ext partitions ?
[04:58] <HumanBlade> Tried to save some time prior to live cd install... reason why i used PartMag
[04:58] <BluesKaj> damn partition magic ...it hates linux
[04:58] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:58] <HumanBlade> may just free spce it?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> In anycase the only thing the Live Cd should touch is swap
[04:59] <DaSkreech> No reason why it should be dying
[04:59] <DaSkreech>  HumanBlade can you get to a terminal?
[04:59] <HumanBlade> it doesn't technically 'die'
[04:59] <HumanBlade> and it doesn't auto-recognise any swap and use
[04:59] <HumanBlade> could probablly mount it or something
[05:00] <HumanBlade> was really wondering if there was just some script i could use. set mount point and tell it to start copying etc.
[05:00] <HumanBlade> not proficient enough to step through python scripts
[05:01] <HumanBlade> i remember i had trouble like this 2 yrs. ago with Knoppix, and was able to use underlying script
[05:02] <Zabulus> has anyone else had problems with the mouse randomly freezing up?
[05:02] <ToddEDM2> beer and facebook, what a night
[05:03] <HumanBlade> beer and Kubuntu install issues... :(
[05:03] <daquin1> how do i make my laptop hibernate on closing the lid ?
[05:04] <ToddEDM2> im having issues too but facebook is so damn addicive
[05:04] <BluesKaj> HumanBlade, i realize the limitations of dialup, having experinced it myself for several yrs , but if you could DL and burn to disk GParted partition editor it can really help you setup the linux partitons much more effectively than that dangerous weapon called partition magic
[05:04] <HumanBlade> yeah like wikipedia that way... cross-links to hell :)
[05:05] <HumanBlade> i think GParted is on Dapper, No?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> dunno
[05:05] <HumanBlade> wouldn't really know
[05:06] <BluesKaj> even qtparted is better, I think it's on dapper
[05:06] <HumanBlade> just figuring, since it's in so many Lives
[05:07] <HumanBlade> well i'm on the machine i wish to install now, so no quick check for me atm
[05:07] <BluesKaj> anyway gents , it's late for old guys like me ...sacktime
[05:07] <Theresa> alright folks, i'm a lot closer
[05:07] <BluesKaj> good luck HumanBlade
[05:07] <HumanBlade> BluesKaj: Thanks for the input.
[05:07] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: in any case I don't think that the alternate cd  is THE fix. you should be able to get that to boot
[05:08] <DaSkreech>  HumanBlade did you run a cd check?
[05:08] <HumanBlade> no... it's the ShipIt cd
[05:08] <Theresa> When i do a sane-find-scanner it finds my usb scanner. How to i tell the rest of my installation about it? kooka can't find it.
[05:08] <HumanBlade> visual inspection is flawless
[05:08] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: Did they ship you an alternate as well?
[05:09] <HumanBlade> 1 CD, cardboard sleeve. no info.
[05:09] <lithium_> hi can i get some asistance
[05:09] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: hmm
[05:10] <DaSkreech> !ask | lithium_
[05:10] <ubotu> lithium_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:10] <lithium_> im new to linux, and im having some issues at the pasword prompts, im using kubuntu
[05:10] <HumanBlade> DaSkreech: not a complete newb. really would do fine with script. guess no one knows off top of the head...
[05:10] <lithium_> and if im prompted in a graphical box, its fine
[05:11] <lithium_> but if im at konsole and it asks for password, i type and no characters appear
[05:11] <DaSkreech> HumanBlade: far as I know the graphical Install is just that. a graphical install
[05:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: that's by design
[05:11] <lithium_> okay for example,
[05:11] <lithium_> i got a limewire package
[05:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: type in the right password and hit enter
[05:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: it will accept it
[05:11] <lithium_> and when i right click and go to install package
[05:11] <lithium_> a terminal opens up
[05:12] <lithium_> like a command window
[05:12] <lithium_> which says password:
[05:12] <lithium_> and when i type, nothing shows up
[05:12] <lithium_> ive tried typing the password and hitting enter doesnt work
[05:12] <lithium_> ive tried just hitting enter as well
[05:12] <lithium_> i had the same issue when i installed Fedora\
[05:13] <lithium_> except to log in to fedora you have to log in through a command line type interface
[05:13] <DaSkreech> lithium_: can you open a konsole and browse to the folder with the install package ?
[05:13] <lithium_> so i couldnt even log in
[05:13] <lithium_> i could try
[05:13] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  when you enter ypur password NOTHING will echo back.
[05:13] <Dr_willis> no *'s no nothing. :)
[05:14] <lithium_> sorry if my questions are ridiculous but ive used windows my whole life and finally decided to rebel against the man :)
[05:14] <lithium_> hmmm.. thats what i figured.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> so i am guessing you are typing the password wrongly
[05:14] <lithium_> its little things like that i have to readjust to i guess.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> !limewire
[05:14] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[05:14] <abulo> alguien puede llegar a saber como puedo estar conectado aca pero jamas pueda ver ninguna pagina web
[05:15] <abulo> ni conectarme al kopete
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !es | abulo
[05:15] <ubotu> abulo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:15] <lithium_> does anyone know of a better p2p to use mainly for audio? Limewire really screws up your network config
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !frostwire
[05:15] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:16] <Dr_willis> i dont see how limewire would screw up your network config at all.
[05:16] <lithium_> oh ok cool
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !p2p
[05:16] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[05:16] <lithium_> well my boyfriend is a network engineer and i never thought it did but hes spent ALOT of time fixing peoples computers because of limewire
[05:16] <lithium_> he tried to explain exactly what it does but ive forgotten already. as usual.
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:17] <Dragnslcr> Sure it's not the files you're downloading with it?
[05:17] <lithium_> see thats the thing ive never ever had an issue with it.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I agree with Dragnslcr /
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Limewire is just a user app. it cant affect your network.. well other then to flood it with up/downloads.
[05:18] <lithium_> except for once when i installed it on his labtop and it made the internet connection stop working
[05:18] <MECU> I just install Kubuntu and when I restart I get a message "Error loading operating system" and that's it. How can I edit/format my two drives or the boot loader? (I I have two physical hard drives)
[05:19] <lithium_> Limewire will go in and change your internet configuration and actually attach itself to your network devices
[05:19] <Dr_willis> MECU,  sounds like grub dident get installed right.
[05:19] <service> hi!
[05:19] <Dr_willis> lithium_, hmm.. Id like to see how it does that under linux.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> !hi
[05:19] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:19] <Dr_willis> 'attatch to network device' is.. well.. lets say..  sounding fishy. :)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: fish://y ?
[05:20] <Rictoo> with grep how do I make the results also show the file it found it in? I am doing "cat *.java | grep Image
[05:20] <lithium_> yeah me too i was interested to see its behavior under linux as well
[05:20] <MECU> Dr_willis: so how do I edit the grub?
[05:21] <lithium_> oh and also when i click on an installation package and it prompts for what application i want to open it with do i use the package manager or what
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Rictoo: grep -r *.javaa
[05:22] <Rictoo> ?
[05:22] <Rictoo> oh
[05:22] <Rictoo> I think I see.
[05:22] <DaSkreech> lithium_: what's the install package called?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> !grub
[05:22] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:22] <Rictoo> DaSkreech: I dont see
[05:22] <Rictoo> can you give me an example?
[05:22] <Rictoo> "cat *.java | grep Image"
[05:23] <Rictoo> Tat's what I was doing.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  dont 'click' to install.. use the shell.
[05:23] <Rictoo> and it works
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Rictoo: try grep -r Image *.java
[05:23] <Rictoo> but it doesn't show the file it found it in.
[05:23] <Rictoo> Ok, i will.
[05:23] <lithium_> when i went to the frost wire homepage and selectd to download frostwire i got prompted for what app to  use to open it
[05:23] <Rictoo> yay :D Thanks DaSkreech
[05:23] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[05:23] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Rictoo: go Me!
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Oh yes Konqueror always helpful :)
[05:25] <lithium_> if i open my terminal and the directory says lithium@lithium-desktop:~$ then im at desktop correct?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> lithium_: no you are at ~
[05:25] <DaSkreech> lithium_: type pwd to see where you are
[05:25] <lithium_> lol what the hell is that
[05:25] <lithium_> oh ok
[05:25] <Dr_willis> !bash
[05:25] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:26] <Dr_willis> !shell
[05:26] <Dr_willis> i need to track down that shell tutorial site
[05:26] <DaSkreech> !commands
[05:26] <savetheWorld> a bash tutorial is available at http://linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php
[05:26] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis
[05:26] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[05:27] <lithium_> ok so if im at /home/lithium i would type cd /home/lithium/desktop correct?
[05:27] <Minataku> Get all those memos? (Sorry about so many, BTW XD)
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  or 'cd desktop'
[05:27] <MECU> it was trying to load grub on my first HD so I switch the boot priority to the other HD and it works okay now
[05:27] <savetheWorld> also http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashGuide
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  or cd de<tab>  and let it complete.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  note the shell IS IS IS CaSe SenEstIvE! :0
[05:28] <lithium_> yeah i saw that. im gonna have to pound that one into my head im totally the queen of careless mistakes
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: it's De<tab>
[05:28] <lithium_> :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> not on my system any more. :)
[05:28] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Also, thanks a bunch, those calculators kick ass
[05:28] <DaSkreech> lithium_: or just name all your Folders With An Upper case To Make It Easier To Remember
[05:28] <Minataku> I was able to test only one, the beat up TI-30
[05:29] <Minataku> Which does this totally awesome flickering "8" when it's doing long calculations :D
[05:29] <lithium_> lmao oh i figured it out i wasnt capitalizing "Desktop" thats why it kept telling me no such directory exists lol
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  heh.. that was the LCD one right? the newer of the lot. :) i almost kept it.. but got no use for it.
[05:29] <Minataku> That one needs some fixing up, though, it's rather beat up
[05:29] <Minataku> Dr_willis: No, that was a TI-66
[05:29] <Minataku> Which is incredibly awesome
[05:30] <DaSkreech> lithium_: welcome to the learning curve :)
[05:30] <DaSkreech> lithium_: learn Tab btw
[05:30] <Dr_willis> They were all rather beat up when i got them from the Salvation Army store.
[05:30] <erichj> i think i had like a ti-81 in high school
[05:30] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Most of them are just fine
[05:30] <DaSkreech> !tab | lithium_ this should make your life easier
[05:30] <ubotu> lithium_ this should make your life easier: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[05:30] <Minataku> The TI-30 is a bit cracked up, is all
[05:30] <erichj> or 86
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i couldent even get them to power up. No adaptors, or stuff to give them power.
[05:31] <Minataku> Dr_willis: The 30 has a 9V battery pack
[05:31] <DudeMeister> hey Amarok just froze, what do i do? i can't close it
[05:31] <Minataku> Connected via a 9V battery clip
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  heh - never noticed..   guess i could of kept that one. :P
[05:35] <Dr_willis> like i Need a calculator.
[05:35] <Minataku> Which is just perfect for connecting to a 9V battery XD
[05:35] <Minataku> Which I had in my TI-1200 :3
[05:35] <DudeMeister> anybody?
[05:35] <lithium_> hmmm..awesome thanks.
[05:35] <Minataku> DudeMeister: kill `pidof amarok`
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Be thankfull the batteries dident corrode in them live ive seen in many other devices.
[05:35] <Minataku> Note that is a "backtick"
[05:35] <DudeMeister> thanks
[05:35] <Minataku> Not an apostrophe
[05:35] <lithium_> ok now i went ahead and downloaded the tarball, through konsole can i run the exec command on it?
[05:35] <Minataku> The backtick is on the same key as the ~
[05:35] <Minataku> lithium_: You don't execute tars
[05:35] <Minataku> You unpack them
[05:35] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  wat did you download exactly?
[05:35] <DudeMeister> Minataku, it gave me this output
[05:35] <DudeMeister> kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec]  pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec]
[05:35] <lithium_> oh lol of course
[05:35] <erichj> DudeMeister: xkill and click on amarok
[05:35] <Minataku> DudeMeister: Did you use the backtick?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> lithium_: for frostwire?
[05:35] <DudeMeister> yes
[05:35] <DudeMeister> i copied it as from what you typed
[05:35] <Minataku> Use erichj's then
[05:35] <lithium_> what type of file am i looking for in the extracted frostwire folder
[05:35] <Minataku> xkill and click on it
[05:35] <DudeMeister> cool!
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Frostwire had a .deb package you can just install.. its that simple.
[05:35] <DudeMeister> thanks
[05:35] <DudeMeister> that's a nice trick!
[05:35] <Dr_willis> download  frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>.i586.deb
[05:35] <erichj> welcome
[05:35] <DudeMeister> hey what do i need to get mp3 support?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg -frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>.i586.deb
[05:35] <Dr_willis> i
[05:35] <Minataku> !mp3
[05:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:35] <Dr_willis> oops typo
[05:35] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg -i frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>.i586.deb
[05:35] <red> rm -rf /
[05:35] <lithium_> i tried, but as i said when i go to download it, it asks what application i wanna use to open it
[05:35] <red> oops, wrong window
[05:35] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  download it.. use the shell.
[05:35] <Minataku> DO NOT TYPE WHAT red SAID
[05:35] <Minataku> Hey, ops, someone wanna take this guy outta here?
[05:35] <erichj> he would need to add sudo to do any damage
[05:35] <Dr_willis> http://www.frostwire.com/download.shm?os=ubuntu
[05:35] <lithium_> the shell? like Konsole?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> !shell
[05:35] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:35] <Dr_willis> we went over that. :)
[05:35] <Minataku> erichj: Doesn't matter, that's just plain wrong
[05:35] <erichj> i agree
[05:35] <lithium_> ok i thought thats what you meant
[05:35] <Dr_willis> shell = konsole = terminal
[05:35] <Dr_willis> aka 'bash' :0
[05:35] <intelikey> konsole != console       :)
[05:35] <DaSkreech> lithium_: can't you right click and save link as ?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> technicially Konsole is the program that gives you a interface to the shell you chose to run.(bash by default)
[05:35] <Minataku> Konsole is a terminal emulator
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  what does that make minicom then? :)
[05:36] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Same thing
[05:36] <lithium_> okay when i ppened it with konsole, the file downloaded, and went god knows where, and now my konsole is jsut a directory line nothing more.
[05:36] <lithium_> is that saying it installed?
[05:36] <erichj> whent to /home probably
[05:36] <erichj> went
[05:36] <lithium_> it went here
[05:36] <lithium_> file:///var/tmp/kdecache-lithium/krun/11043.0.frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>.i586.deb
[05:36] <Minataku> I'm lucky enough to own a real serial terminal :D
[05:37] <Minataku> Specifically, a Wyse WY-60 with green phosphor CRT
[05:37] <Minataku> :3
[05:37] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ha ha
[05:37] <bigmoe> I have a question. Do people have any problems when running kubuntu/ubuntu on macbooks?
[05:37] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Oh, that HDD is 20MB
[05:37] <DaSkreech> lithium_: sudo dpkg -i /var/tmp/kdecache-lithium/krun/11043.0.frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>.i586.deb
[05:37] <erichj> bigmoe: as far as i know there are no problems
[05:38] <bigmoe> thank you
[05:38] <intelikey> erichj /home != $HOME    default home is /home/<username>/
[05:38] <erichj> bigmoe: maybe with the built in isight but everything else should be fine
[05:38] <Minataku> I took two things off of it, one that I kept, then wiped it since I didn't find anything on there too useful
[05:38] <bigmoe> ok
[05:38] <erichj> intelikey: i just assumed that he would understand that
[05:38] <Minataku> Dr_willis: All that's left are the Amigas, which I'll have to sneak in under my asshole dad's nose
[05:38] <DaSkreech> lithium_: let me know tid that doesn't work
[05:38] <Minataku> Maybe I'll have you address it to my mom
[05:38] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | Minataku
[05:38] <ubotu> Minataku: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:39] <Minataku> That way he won't give a damn
[05:39] <bigmoe> im thinking of just buying a macbook 4 college then when they update the os a couple of times ill just switch
[05:39] <Minataku> bigmoe: No
[05:39] <bigmoe> im cheap that way
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  whats sad.. i had a Wyse for ages.. then 'lost' the keyboard.. then i FOUND the keyboard 8 yrs later.. the week aftger i threw out the monitor.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:39] <Minataku> Don't get a Macbook
[05:39] <bigmoe> y?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i got an ibm serial terminal somewhere..
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !mac
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !apple
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <DaSkreech> !ppc
[05:39] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy.  Sweet. :D
[05:40] <bigmoe> well... with educational discount it is $999
[05:40] <erichj> bigmoe: i've used acer laptops for years because they run linux like a dream
[05:40] <Minataku> DaSkreech: You don't know my dad. I'm not gonna censor it when I'm talking about him.
[05:40] <Minataku> That's what he is, period.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  its erather ugly compared to the wyse i had.. but i dont need it any more. :0
[05:41] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Probably too expensive to ship, though
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  yea its about the size of a 16 in monitor.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> and given that a cheap PC can handle it.
[05:41] <erichj> the enterprise rental place i was at today used WYSE terminals
[05:43] <Markeda> Does anyone here have experience setting up Kubuntu with an Epson Stylus CX3200 printer? I've run into a bit of a snag with it...
[05:43] <Dr_willis> erichj,  yea - they are still around.. we used to use them at work. a cheap pc + livecd can do the same job however.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> erichj,  cheaper even. :)
[05:43] <Minataku> Heh
[05:43] <erichj> yeah
[05:44] <Minataku> Yeah, but when you get a $700 serial terminal package for $40 total
[05:44] <Dr_willis> it wold be nice if Linux-thinclients could take off. :) Its going to be hard to compete with  $100 pc's
[05:44] <Minataku> Can't beat that with a stick
[05:44] <Dr_willis> I used the serial terminal ages ago on my amiga :)  and in college
[05:45] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:45] <Minataku> RomWack
[05:45] <Dr_willis> kermit - the good old days
[05:45] <Minataku> Guru Meditiation
[05:45] <Minataku> :D
[05:45] <Minataku> The local cable access/info channels used to use Amigas
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> ok, that's even a little before my time :)
[05:49] <Minataku> I know this because one day one of them crashed on the beginning of the weekend
[05:49] <WillJitsu> I've got a buddy that has a Linksys WUSB12 wireless USB adapter that he's trying to get working.  What's the quickest way for him to do that?
[05:49] <Minataku> And all weekend there was a Guru Meditation error on the TV
[05:49] <Minataku> :3
[05:49] <intelikey> Markeda if you can describe your issue a little someone "might" pickup and help ya.
[05:49] <Markeda> Unfortunately, I can't, since I don't know what's wrong with it...
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  at work - we have a similer thing on the TV/news for the factory one day there was a dialog box. "ok/cancle" on the tvs.. this guy was TOUCHING the TV screen trying to get it to go away. :)
[05:49] <Minataku> HAHA!
[05:49] <Markeda> I've been through linux-foundation.org's stuff and some of the linked sites from it, my printer is recognized, but nothing prints.
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:49] <Minataku> It's cute, in a sad sorta way
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i recall a "BSOD" screen saver  that replays old machine 'crash screens' :)
[05:49] <lithium_> ok in konsole ive gotten into the correct directory, the folder with frostwires files i downloaded. what command am i running and on what file?
[05:49] <Minataku> Dr_willis: It's part of xscreensaver
[05:49] <intelikey> !cups
[05:49] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:49] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, I use that SS all the time. :P
[05:49] <bigmoe> erichj how much does your laptop cost?
[05:49] <Minataku> Not only that, but the thing that dragged me back to Linux
[05:49] <Minataku> bigmoe: Best laptops period: Toshiba
[05:49] <Minataku> No question, no exception
[05:49] <erichj> i paid $698 for mine
[05:49] <erichj> acer kills toshiba
[05:49] <intelikey> Markeda maybe one of those links will help.  maybe they wont...
[05:49] <Minataku> They're a bit pricy, but the best ever
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Minataku, yeah, they're up there on the list
[05:49] <lithium_> Toshibas are horrible. Toshibas make as good labtops as george bush makes a president.
[05:49] <bigmoe> erich what are the specs?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> I like my $350 laptop i found on sale :)
[05:49] <Minataku> lithium_: You just said the wrong thing to the wrong person
[05:49] <lithium_> and thats not saying alot
[05:49] <Dr_willis> its a noname-brand.
[05:49] <lithium_> lol k
[05:49] <Dr_willis> heh heh..
[05:49] <Minataku> Where's my clue-by-four
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Please no Politics!
[05:49] <lithium_> terrifying really,.
[05:49] <Minataku> I'ma need a new one after this
[05:49] <bigmoe> 350? how fast is it?
[05:49] <erichj> intel core duo 1.6, 1meg cache, 1gb ram, 120gb drive, dual layer dvd burner with lightscribe
[05:49] <Minataku> Oh, it's not politics
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Unles sits about the RIAA and DMCA stupidity
[05:49] <erichj> intel gma950
[05:49] <lithium_> im sorry are you offended over toshiba or george bush?
[05:49] <Minataku> lithium_: Though seriously, what makes you say that?
[05:49] <Minataku> lithium_: The comparison
[05:49] <bigmoe> ok
[05:49] <lithium_> because they  both monumentally SUCK at their intended purposes
[05:49] <bigmoe> somehting is wrong with the acer site
[05:50] <Minataku> lithium_: So you just don't like them for no reason.
[05:50] <lithium_> toshibas are fine i will say generally, but they tend to have the WEIRDEST quirks
[05:50] <Minataku> Like what?
[05:50] <Minataku> I have 4 Toshibas
[05:50] <Minataku> From 1987 to 2003
[05:50] <Minataku> I'm on a Toshiba right now
[05:50] <lithium_> like they run great but they have the WEIRDEST little issues that are common among differant series
[05:50] <Minataku>  23:49:52 up 96 days, 19:15,  6 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01
[05:50] <bigmoe> im looking for a core 2 duo prcessor
[05:50] <Minataku> Worst I ever had was an ACPI kernel bug
[05:51] <Dr_willis> of coruse are not most laptops made by a few companies - for these other bigger companies?
[05:51] <erichj> you going to run a 64bit distro?
[05:51] <Minataku> Which was nobody's fault, really
[05:51] <bigmoe> i will if i have to
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Worst problem ivbe had with laptops is the *$#@&@ case's and hinges breaking
[05:51] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heh
[05:51] <Minataku> Same, I'm sad to say
[05:51] <lithium_> like i used to have a satellite...s205 maybe? i dont remember anymore. but i had an issue with the screen shutting off whenever it felt like it, and low and behold, when i got onto toshiba forums there were 900 others with the same issue
[05:51] <Minataku> Piyoko's hinges are trashed
[05:51] <Dr_willis> even ones that get very little use. i had cracking.. took it back 3 times.
[05:51] <Minataku> But the Piyoko's taken plenty of abuse
[05:52] <Dr_willis> I got an old sony vaio laptop 'glued' to a wooden frame. :) its a Pent III
[05:52] <Minataku> *then
[05:52] <erichj> i almost bought a core 2 duo model, but i won't be using a 64bit distro until there is better support. so i went with the dual core 32bit instead
[05:52] <ToddEDM2> !offtopic
[05:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:52] <ToddEDM2> lol
[05:52] <lithium_> and another one i had, that series commonly had a power port that stopped working
[05:52] <Minataku> Piyoko, BTW, a Toshiba Satellite A25-S207
[05:52] <Dr_willis> 64bitness.. will it be the 'standard' here in a year...   or not. :)
[05:52] <Minataku> lithium_: Sounds like you managed to be unlucky
[05:52] <bigmoe> im going for a 2gz processor
[05:52] <bigmoe> i c
[05:53] <Minataku> Like I said, I have 4 of them, three "second-hand" and one "bought-new"
[05:53] <Minataku> All excellent
[05:53] <bigmoe> i want to be able to use my laptop 4 a long time lol
[05:53] <lithium_> thats what i figured cause i usually am. but there were always 800 ppl online complaining of the same thing.
[05:53] <lithium_> there was actually a suit or whatever for my model, like if you filed they would replace it.
[05:53] <erichj> bigmoe: linux sys requirements don't increase at the rate mac os and windows do.
[05:53] <Minataku> A recall
[05:53] <bigmoe> i know
[05:53] <Minataku> It happens
[05:53] <lithium_> yeah those
[05:53] <Minataku> Nobody's perfect :P
[05:54] <lithium_> its probably me though. thats just my luck.
[05:54] <bigmoe> but i might be using it for 8 years
[05:54] <lithium_> i loved my satellite though. it got stolen by a crackhead :(
[05:54] <bigmoe> lol
[05:54] <Minataku> lithium_: >.<
[05:54] <lithium_> id still have it otherwise.
[05:54] <erichj> just don't buy a mac. you can get core 2 duo models cheaper
[05:54] <intelikey> 1 ! c y ppl u's totally unreadable cod3 in IRC
[05:54] <Dr_willis> 8 years.. bah.
[05:54] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Too short?
[05:54] <Minataku> I put 5 years as the useful life of a system
[05:54] <Minataku> Though that was 10 years ago
[05:55] <bigmoe> show me where? i havent seen and 2ghz duo 2 core
[05:55] <Dr_willis> at the rate laptop prices are dropping - in 2 years $300 ones will be common.
[05:55] <bigmoe> any*
[05:55] <Minataku> Piyoko is approaching 4 and still well in useful territory
[05:55] <ToddEDM2> hey guys, is there a distro that is more user friendly than ubuntu kubuntu?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ya can get lucky and find $350 laptops now. :)
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  define 'user friendly'
[05:55] <ToddEDM2> pretty
[05:55] <ToddEDM2> haha
[05:56] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 define user friendly
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, th3y r try1ng 2 shw thr 1337n3ss :)
[05:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly prolly
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:56] <Minataku> Haha
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Doh! i could of sent that to you Minataku  :)
[05:56] <Minataku> Leetness in a 4 year old laptop? XD
[05:56] <bigmoe> i have not seen any really good $350 laptops
[05:57] <Minataku> A bit too behind to be considered "1337"
[05:57] <ToddEDM2> user friendly = easy to pick up and learn...... lots of gui
[05:57] <DaSkreech> yay firefox froze
[05:57] <lithium_> so anyways what command do i run on what file to install a app?
[05:57] <Minataku> A fancy interface doesn't mean it's user friendly
[05:58] <Dr_willis> I dont see how 'lots of gui' follows. :0
[05:58] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 heh,  my def. "does exactly what i tell it to, and nothing more. no questions asked,"
[05:58] <DaSkreech> lithium_: if it's a .deb you can run sudo dpkg -i
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> ToddEDM2, ubuntu is probably about the easiest out there right now...at least for the point and click crowd
[05:58] <erichj> maybe not 2ghz sub $1000 but a 1.8ghz c2d with 1gb and 160gb storage sub $1000 is doable
[05:58] <Dr_willis> these days it seems "user Friendly" = "Limiting the Users Options. so the Brain Dead idiot cant get confused"
[05:58] <ToddEDM2> thanks hitmanWilly...
[05:58] <bigmoe> which company
[05:58] <bigmoe> ??
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> ToddEDM2, however, when trying to get in and play with the guts of it it gets to be a pita
[05:59] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Like GNOME
[05:59] <erichj> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146293
[05:59] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 but there are three or maybe four major distros that do specialize in what you asked for,  this one.  mandriva suse and +/- fedora
[05:59] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: I'm NOT the only one who thinks [knows]  that!
[06:00] <Minataku> Yeah, *buntu is really a pain when it comes to trying to break free of the hand-holding
[06:00] <ToddEDM2> Dr_willis whats wrong with that
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> :) all it takes to see it is trying a kernel recompile, or a source code build...
[06:00] <DaSkreech> lithium_: there are a few different ways to install linux programs
[06:00] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  when a 'idiotproofed' system breaks. its 100x harder to actually FIX. since you have to figure out how to get around all the idiot-proofing
[06:00] <ToddEDM2> intelikey..... i think im gonna try fedora
[06:00] <intelikey> Minataku well, if that's the case i should have no trubble with other distros
[06:01] <ToddEDM2> haha
[06:01] <Dr_willis> and if the Idiot-proofed system dosent do what you want.. you are stuck.
[06:01] <DaSkreech> are there any none gui distross ?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  yes several.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Trustix used to be one. not sure any more.
[06:01] <erichj> ToddEDM2: fedora core 7 is nice, their reps are too slow otherwise i would be using it
[06:01] <Dr_willis> severalk other fileserver/server disrtos.
[06:01] <Minataku> Idiot-proof systems are also Genius-proof
[06:01] <Minataku> That's the fundamental problem
[06:01] <Minataku> It has to be locked down so tight that a doofus can't break it
[06:02] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 if it's convinient try them all,  you never know what will like you until you meat it.
[06:02] <Minataku> The side effect is that it's locked down so tight that nobody can fix it
[06:03] <intelikey> "if you make it idiot proof, they'll just make a better idiot"
[06:03] <Markeda> Wasn't there a website that had a nice Q&A for people to figure out which distro's might be good for them? (Or several sites?)
[06:03] <Minataku> intelikey: That's the other problem
[06:03] <Minataku> It's never idiot proof
[06:03] <Minataku> Those idiots STILL break it all the time
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> sudo rm -rf / still works every time :)
[06:04] <intelikey> hitmanWilly not nearly as well as cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
[06:04] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: yeah please stop saying that :)
[06:04] <Markeda> :/ The first time I tried Linux (a couple years ago) I was about to do that when someone was joking about how it would fix a problem I had :/
[06:04] <bigmoe> sudo rm -rf /dev/cdrom :)
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, yeah, that one too :P
[06:04] <Minataku> bigmoe: That'll work
[06:05] <Minataku> It'll delete the cdrom device (or symlink)
[06:05] <Minataku> Anyway, my colon has crashed and is requesting I write a dump to /dev/toilet
[06:05] <intelikey> mount /dev/null -t none /
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> roflmao...
[06:05] <intelikey> :)
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> borking your system, 101 :)
[06:06] <bigmoe> lol 200 people in the channel ruins of and do it
[06:06] <intelikey> ruins ?
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, for a good laugh put that in fstab :)
[06:07] <intelikey> lol
[06:07] <DaSkreech> runs
[06:07] <intelikey> hitmanWilly on whos system ?
[06:07] <DaSkreech> cause penguins are sheeple
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> someone who really pissed you off :P
[06:07] <bigmoe> runs*
[06:07] <bigmoe> lol
[06:07] <intelikey> hey penguins are sheeple too
[06:08] <lithium_> the only info im getting through google is using the ./configure command whcih is not working at all
[06:08] <intelikey> hitmanWilly heh,   yeah but i'd have to fix it for them...   and it would loose all it's flavour
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:08] <intelikey> lithium_ got build-essential ?
[06:09] <intelikey> got milk ?
[06:09] <intelikey> no never mind that last one.
[06:09] <lithium_> uh no but i will if need be lol
[06:09] <DaSkreech> lithium_: you are installing from the .deb ?
[06:09] <lithium_> like what type of file am i looking for? .jar? .so? .war?
[06:10] <amine> hello
[06:10] <erichj> sweet, comedy central roast of william shatner is on
[06:10] <DaSkreech> lithium_: did you say you had downloaded to /var/tmp something somthing ?
[06:10] <intelikey> well if it's talking about the configure file  it's source and youll need b-e
[06:10] <intelikey> !b-e
[06:10] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: she got that from google
[06:10] <intelikey> oh
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, actually, echo that into fstab with a suid root bash script, find a way to auto distribute it, and no one would have any idea you did it until servers across the net started dropping like flies
[06:10] <lithium_> as i stand now, i downloaded the tarball to my dsktop and extracted it to a folder i renamed "Frostwire.noarch"
[06:10] <intelikey> well what is the issue ?
[06:11] <lithium_> i directed Konsole into that folder
[06:11] <lithium_> and im asking what command to run on what file?
[06:11] <erichj> is there a file called configure?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[06:11] <lithium_> i shall check
[06:11] <DaSkreech> lithium_: type ls
[06:12] <DaSkreech> lithium_: get the first three letters of the file
[06:12] <erichj> ls | grep configure
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> proof of concept for a nix virus...sneak it into one of the major distros repos and you've got yourself a genuine linux virus...
[06:12] <DaSkreech> then type sudo dpkg -i fro<tab>
[06:12] <intelikey> lithium_ "tarball to my dsktop"   that's source.  you'll have to install build-essential (if it's not installed) to build it.    but please look for a .deb first and save us all a head ache
[06:12] <DaSkreech> intelikey: it's a deb
[06:12] <erichj> haha
[06:13] <intelikey> DaSkreech tarball is a .deb ?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> no she has a deb
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> anyway...
[06:13] <DaSkreech> from frostwire's site
[06:14] <intelikey> ok.  if it's a .deb    sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[06:14] <lithium_> its not a .deb its a tar ball
[06:14] <lithium_> when i try to download the .deb, it asks me what application i want to oepn it with. and i choose konsole, and nothing happens
[06:15] <intelikey> lithium_ nope.  it's not    they all told me it wasn't  you must be mistaken......   :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> lithium_: you said you had a file at file:///var/tmp/kdecache somthing right ?
[06:15] <lithium_> you CAN choose to download a .deb but not only does that happen but its for i586 or something im on i386
[06:16] <DaSkreech> lithium_: what proc do you have ?
[06:16] <Dr_willis>  frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>.i586.deb   works fine for me
[06:16] <DaSkreech> !worksforme
[06:16] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:16] <erichj> don't open it in konsole
[06:16] <Dr_willis> since the program is written in java - it DOSENT matter.
[06:16] <lithium_> Intel celeron D. dont laugh at me. im in the middle of upgrading.
[06:16] <erichj> use a package manager
[06:16] <intelikey> save it as a file
[06:16] <Dr_willis> so it should work for you.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Thats sort of the point of java. :)
[06:17] <lithium_> wait i dont think i have java
[06:17] <Dr_willis> Unless they got some other speciic bits
[06:17] <intelikey> !java | lithium_
[06:17] <ubotu> lithium_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> so install java.. install that deb. and it will work for you. :) perhaps.
[06:17] <lithium_> i know how to install java.
[06:17] <lithium_> lol
[06:18] <Kite_DH> hes just helping
[06:18] <Kite_DH> lol
[06:18] <intelikey> is he ?    am i ?
[06:18] <Kite_DH> O_O hes not?

[06:18] <Dr_willis> works for me. :0
[06:18] <Kite_DH> :<
[06:18] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Now ive no idea why they call that package a i586  - wonder what all is in there.
[06:19] <lithium_> can i use a amd64 file if i have a 64 bit intel?
[06:19] <klobster> ok, I screwed up my grub and I tried to fix it using the install disk, and it may have copied files over my root partition.  partition is there, files intact (it was mounted without formatting, FWIW).  Question: I am running Ext3, is it possible to do a journal check to see what if anything has been done to my partition?
[06:19] <erichj> lithium_: yes
[06:19] <lithium_> its the same architecture so i would think so
[06:19] <lithium_> ok cool
[06:19] <intelikey> we're entirely too playfull in here today...
[06:19] <klobster> sorry for the long question
[06:19] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ys but it might not work as well as a i686 :)
[06:19] <lithium_> i have i386
[06:20] <DaSkreech> !fskc
[06:20] <erichj> i wouldn't say that x86-64 is the same as emt64
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fskc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <DaSkreech> !fsck
[06:20] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[06:20] <erichj> !fsck
[06:20] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  No.. It depends on what disrto you isntalled.
[06:20] <klobster> fsck (and e2fsck) only check  the filesystem, no?  will it check files for touch dates, etc?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  if you installed the 64bit ubuntu - you want the 64bit packages..
[06:21] <lithium_> ok jesus...NOW when i click on the Java install package, it asks me what to open it with, so i choose add/removeprograms, and then im asked for my password, and nothing happens.....
[06:21] <lithium_> oh boy.....
[06:21] <Dr_willis> lithium_,  clicking what where?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> whats with all this clicking> :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> lithium_: Eh?
[06:21] <intelikey> klobster unless you -f it won't even look at the fs,  only the journal
[06:21] <DaSkreech> lithium_: did you read the !java
[06:21] <lithium_> the what?
[06:21] <erichj> ubotu: java
[06:21] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install  sun-java6-jre       - like the !java factoid "vaguely' said :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> thats the proper way to install java on ubuntu.
[06:22] <klobster> intelikey: thank you, that's what I wanted to hear.
[06:22] <intelikey> she knows how to install java
[06:22] <DaSkreech> intelikey: by clicking on it :)
[06:22] <intelikey> shhhh!
[06:22] <klobster> ok, so fsck or e2fsck?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> lithium_: I'm going to assume that you haven't added any repos yet ?
[06:23] <intelikey> same program
[06:23] <DaSkreech> klobster: fsck is the safe bet
[06:23] <DaSkreech> lithium_: let me know if yo have no clue what I'm talking about :)
[06:25] <lithium_> what the f is a repo?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !repo
[06:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:25] <Dr_willis> time to hit the ubuntu/Kubuntu FUNdamentals! :0
[06:25] <intelikey> short hand for repository
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !info  sun-java6-jre
[06:25] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB
[06:25] <intelikey> not to be confused with a supository
[06:26] <DaSkreech> intelikey: oh my!
[06:26] <intelikey> well it wouldn't be a good idea to confuse them...
[06:26] <Dr_willis> component multiverse -is the repositority its in. :)
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> one goes on the computer, one up the backside...now which is which :P
[06:28] <intelikey> obviously the other one....
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> oh, of course :)
[06:28] <klobster> safe to assume this will take awhile?
[06:28] <intelikey> depends klobster
[06:29] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I'm shuddering trying to think of using universe as a suppository
[06:29] <intelikey> speed of drive speed of cpu size of fs and number of files and data on the fs
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> the fscking server won't fit!!! XD
[06:29] <DaSkreech> lithium_: Want help?
[06:30] <lithium_> oh sorry yes lol
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> ok, enough of that
[06:30] <DaSkreech> lithium_: where are you?
[06:30] <lithium_> im in my bedroom.
[06:30] <lithium_> lol
[06:30] <lithium_> jk
[06:31] <lithium_> im in terminal, directed to /home/lithium/Desktop/Frostwire.noarch (which is the app folder i downloaded)
[06:31] <klobster>  blocks
[06:32] <Dr_willis> app folder you downloaded?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> lithium_: press alt+space
[06:32] <DaSkreech> lithium_: then type adept and pres enter
[06:33] <klobster> ok SO I sudo fsck /dev/sda3 it runs pass1/2/3/4/5 (all checking etc), announces  files and blocks (3.2% non-contigous).  does that mean it did anything?
[06:33] <klobster> nothing says fixed "X"
[06:34] <lithium_> alrghty,....
[06:35] <DaSkreech> lithium_: opened adept?
[06:35] <inteliwasp> where can i find a good idiot's(that being me...) guide to installing programs by compiling them?
[06:35] <intelikey> klobster that means it checked the fs  and found no errors.
[06:35] <lithium_> yep
[06:35] <klobster> that can't be right
[06:35] <klobster> root.pacman contains a file system with errors, check forced
[06:35] <erichj> never question fsck
[06:36] <lithium_> alright im in adept
[06:36] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ok under the menus go adpet -> manage repos
[06:36] <intelikey> klobster no that means it was not cleanly umounted   not that it actually has errors
[06:36] <DaSkreech> adept even
[06:36] <mo0osah> I have been using azureus for a while, right now, i'm trying to open it but it doest do anything
[06:36] <lithium_> k just a sec
[06:37] <klobster> ok, cool.  maybe no files were overwritten, then?
[06:37] <lithium_> alrighty then
[06:38] <DaSkreech> lithium_: this is feisty right ?
[06:38] <lithium_> fiesty?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> mo0osah: open it from the konsole
[06:38] <lithium_> i have no knowledge as to what feisty is.....
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !feisty
[06:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:39] <DaSkreech> lithium_: do you have a dialog with checkboxes or a page with a lot of writing?
[06:39] <ToddEDM2> how do i make myself root
[06:39] <intelikey> lithium_ in a konsole type    lsb_release -a
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ToddEDM2: use sudo
[06:39] <Dr_willis> k/Ubuntu has cute animal names for the diofferent versions :)
[06:39] <ToddEDM2> sudo sh -?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ToddEDM2: sudo -i
[06:39] <lithium_> in adept itself or in the add repository box?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> sudo -s  - is what i use :0
[06:40] <lithium_> well they both have checkboxes
[06:40] <DaSkreech> lithium_: add repository box
[06:40] <DaSkreech> lithium_: two of them are unchecked ?
[06:40] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 sudo -i    sudo -s    sudo su -    sudo sh   the order is most to least desirable
[06:41] <lithium_> ok when im in adept, and i go to :manage repositories" i get a box that is titled "software sources"
[06:41] <ToddEDM2> what are the -i, -s, su- called?
[06:41] <ToddEDM2> flags?
[06:41] <lithium_> with tabs labels third party software, updates, authentication, and statistics
[06:42] <intelikey> first two are args/flags the last is a program/command
[06:42] <DaSkreech> lithium_: right the first one has two checkmarks not checked ?
[06:42] <lithium_> actually all of mine are checked
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> i cant search directories as root
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> ....
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> is that normal
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> search, i mean navigate
[06:43] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 navigate how ?
[06:43] <ToddEDM2> dir
[06:44] <ToddEDM2> cd Desktop
[06:44] <ToddEDM2> like that
[06:44] <lithium_> gots to pee brb, keep talking
[06:44] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 heh   no.   root can go anywhere in the system.
[06:44] <ToddEDM2> im trying to install these nvidia drivers, and i need to be logged in as root
[06:44] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 there prolly isn't a /root/Desktop/
[06:44] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  heck.  i think i ran some progaram and it asked to modivy my sources.list i aint had to touch it to get the other repos.
[06:45] <intelikey> ToddEDM2    pwd
[06:45] <lithium_> ok back
[06:45] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,   if you use the package manager to isntall the nvidia packages inthe repos. its much easier.
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> ToddEDM2, plus if they're from the site you'll have to kill X to install them...and play around with some config files to boot
[06:46] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah.   "aint had to touch it"  translates in my ears as  " M$ like POS is modifying system files without me "
[06:46] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  no.. it asked.. i clicked yes.. :)
[06:47] <Dr_willis> ive not had to touch it SINCE that time.
[06:47] <ToddEDM2> i installed NVidia binary X.org driver .... is that what i shoulda been downloading
[06:47] <ToddEDM2> ?
[06:47] <intelikey> well that's only one step away.   that's what M$ used to do.....
[06:47] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  ya should of been followign the !nvidia factoid
[06:47] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[06:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:48] <DaSkreech> lithium_: ok you can close adept
[06:48] <DaSkreech> lithium_: you can type sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[06:49] <klobster> lets assume it's in working order.  can i mount my root partition as root in LiveCD, so I can try to fix my grub, or do I need to do it manually?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> lithium_: tried the command I just told you?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> klobster,  that would be fixingit manually :)
[06:51] <Dr_willis> mount the root partition, chroot over to it. fix it.
[06:51] <intelikey> klobster no but you don't need to....    mount your root partition on /mnt/  and do   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt  /dev/sda    or whatever you disk it.
[06:51] <intelikey> s/it/is/
[06:51] <lithium_> alrighty then.
[06:52] <lithium_> sorry my taskbar didnt flash to indicte someone was talking to me...
[06:52] <intelikey> page up
[06:52] <DaSkreech> lithium_: that installs java
[06:52] <DaSkreech> lithium_: using konversation ?
[06:53] <lithium_> E: Type 'jre-6u1-linux-amd64.bin' is not known on line 44 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:53] <lithium_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[06:53] <lithium_> no i use xchat
[06:53] <DaSkreech> ?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I think someone did some sort of booboo somewhere.
[06:53] <DaSkreech> lithium_: can you paste bin your sources.list ?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> lithium_: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:54] <intelikey> type  hehe
[06:54] <Dr_willis> any special reason you are using amd64? you installed the 64bit version of Kuubuntu?
[06:55] <michael__> how do i search for nautilus in processses?
[06:55] <Jucato> !pastebin | lithium_
[06:55] <ubotu> lithium_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:55] <klobster> intelikey: I have a separate boot partition that I Installed grub on (not the MBR)
[06:55] <lithium_> calright
[06:55] <michael__> helo?
[06:55] <michael__> !processes
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about processes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <intelikey> klobster ?
[06:55] <michael__> //////////////////////////////////////
[06:56] <intelikey> klobster so grub is not you boot manager ?
[06:56] <ToddEDM2> good night guys
[06:56] <Dr_willis> michael__,  ps ax | grep pattern
[06:56] <michael__> thanks
[06:56] <intelikey> ToddEDM2
[06:56] <Dr_willis> linux fundamentals
[06:56] <ToddEDM2> hey before i go...
[06:56] <lithium_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25807/
[06:56] <mo0osah> DaSkreech: It opens up and everything and then gives me an error in console
[06:56] <ToddEDM2> is there any distro that will have my nvidia drivers installed when i install the OS?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  that MintLinux migt
[06:57] <Dr_willis> ToddEDM2,  it takes me all of say.. 3 min to get Nvidia going on a clean install
[06:57] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 outside chance suse would  but not likely
[06:57] <Dr_willis> most disrtos these days make it rather trivial to get nvidia drivers going.
[06:57] <intelikey> ToddEDM2 the drivers are not free
[06:58] <intelikey> beer/air ^
[06:58] <michael__> ugh
[06:58] <michael__> how do i kill all?
[06:58] <inteliwasp> where can i find a good idiot's(that being me...) guide to installing programs by compiling them?
[06:58] <intelikey> killall blah
[06:58] <Dr_willis> michael__,  you may want to clarifh that question a bit.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> !source
[06:58] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get.  Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:58] <klobster> intelikey: oh yeah the querstion.  No grub is my boot manager, but it boots off of sda1.  the question: will running --root-directory take into account the boot partition?
[06:58] <michael__> it keeps restarting
[06:59] <michael__> i want it DEAD
[06:59] <Dr_willis> michael__,  try xkill
[06:59] <intelikey> kill -9 -1   michael__
[06:59] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: how do i find them after i compile them?
[06:59] <intelikey> klobster no.  you'll have to mount it    sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
[06:59] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  you pay attention to where 'make install' puts them...
[06:59] <ToddEDM2> goodnight
[07:00] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  or you tell them where to isntall to during the ./configure phase
[07:00] <intelikey> when umounting reverse the order klobster   umount /mnt/boot    then  /mnt/
[07:00] <inteliwasp> thanks
[07:00] <intelikey> inteliwasp or use find if you know part of the name
[07:01] <intelikey> inteliwasp  'man find'  but a short example; find /usr/ -iname *example*
[07:01] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: oh, do i use sudo for all commands?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  depends on the commands
[07:02] <inteliwasp> when installing...
[07:02] <Dr_willis> normally to install somthing system wide you use 'sudo make install' and thats it.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> as the last command.
[07:02] <inteliwasp> what about configure?
[07:02] <klobster> intelikey: original issue: grub boots, but I get an error 15 when I choose a kernel
[07:02] <intelikey> normal;   ./configure && make && sudo make install
[07:02] <Dr_willis> as i just said.. sudo make install... thats it.. :)
[07:03] <DaSkreech> mo0osah: what error?
[07:03] <Dr_willis> you dont need sudo for the others.
[07:03] <inteliwasp> k
[07:03] <klobster> intelikey: is /mnt importttant? can it be /something I made?
[07:03] <intelikey> klobster 15  refresh my memory what is that error ?
[07:03] <klobster> intelikey: file not found?
[07:03] <Minataku> klobster: Uh oh
[07:04] <intelikey> klobster yes /what-ever_like\'_you/
[07:04] <Minataku> You're the second one tonight
[07:04] <hitmanWilly> grub cmd line it is :)
[07:04] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Not even
[07:04] <DaSkreech> lithium_: do you have sources open?
[07:04] <Minataku> If it's like the last guy, his /etc/fstab is hosed
[07:04] <Minataku> He'll NEVER boot properly
[07:04] <klobster> hitmanwilly: didn't work
[07:05] <intelikey> Minataku you can boot without an /etc/fstab
[07:05] <Minataku> klobster: Get a LiveCD... you'll be needing one
[07:05] <lithium_> im sorry?
[07:05] <Minataku> Last guy booted with the SuperGRUB floppy
[07:05] <Minataku> klobster: By chance did you just do a kernel update?
[07:05] <klobster> minataku: yeah that's right.  I tried to set by label, because something kept switching my drives between /dev/sda and /dev/hda.  I'm on the fiesty liveCD right now,
[07:06] <klobster> minataku: kernel update screwed it the first time, something else the second.
[07:06] <hitmanWilly> great, the hda/sda issue...
[07:06] <intelikey> klobster that "something" is called "scsi emulation" not one of ubuntu's better ideas...
[07:06] <Minataku> intelikey: WRONG
[07:06] <Minataku> Well, partially
[07:07] <Minataku> SCSI Emulation is wonderful
[07:07] <klobster> hitmanwilly: you would think that if you were going to change a STANARDD you would announce and give time for people to adjust...
[07:07] <Minataku> When it's NOT applied to PATA devices
[07:07] <intelikey> Minataku or scsi
[07:07] <Minataku> When PATA devices suddenly become sdx, all hell breaks loose
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> i do believe the hd devs are still there as symlinks for routine stuff...
[07:08] <intelikey> and when you emulate what hardware is already doing it's not funny either
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> oh yes it is :)
[07:08] <intelikey> well funny maybe   :)
[07:09] <Minataku> I have no real SCSI
[07:09] <intelikey> as far as my vote  even  udev  was a mistake
[07:09] <Minataku> I have PATA and USB
[07:10] <hitmanWilly> klobster, you could always change fstab to UUIDs to solve this issue in the future
[07:10] <Minataku> udev is great, a lot better than the typical "make a node for every possible device we'll ever possibly have so "ls /dev" takes up 5 screens" approach
[07:10] <Minataku> While I thouroughly hate the UUID plan
[07:10] <intelikey> it all falls back to the idiot proof paradigm
[07:10] <Minataku> I may end up doing it
[07:10] <klobster> all: so i set labels, and did a reboot, and it died, after (maybe) clearing my device.map and boning my menu.lst, I can get it to boot to a busybox if I do a manual announce of root and kernel
[07:11] <Minataku> intelikey: Not udev, no
[07:11] <Minataku> Hardly
[07:11] <klobster> hitmanwilly: I was changing to fstab to label; I think thats how I got here
[07:11] <Minataku> Label was never a good way of doing it
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> klobster, do you have a backup of your old fstab? at least something to boot with?
[07:12] <Minataku> In fact, it was always a pretty horrible way of doing it
[07:12] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: The fstab can be rebuilt
[07:12] <Minataku> It was done earlier
[07:12] <Minataku> Same issue
[07:12] <Minataku> Hosed fstab
[07:12] <klobster> I dont see how /dev/disk/by-label/"labl" is any different than /dev/sda
[07:12] <Minataku> klobster: UUID is the best alternate to doing it by device
[07:13] <Minataku> Which seems to be a permanent change kernel-wise
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> err, /dev entries heh...
[07:13] <Minataku> Which pisses me off
[07:13] <Minataku> Especially for external devices and floppy drives, though I'm sure I can still put those in the fstab by dev entry
[07:14] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Mine are all by dev entry too
[07:14] <Minataku> That's the way it's always been done
[07:14] <intelikey>  /dev entries are never an issue unless your system adds and removes them for you.....
[07:14] <Minataku> Which is what really pisses me off here
[07:14] <Minataku> The fact that it looks like there may be, more or less, a forced change
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> Minataku, comes from having to hand write it out :)