[10:31] <xnox> mpt: it looks like we have reliable firmware hibernate on intel now. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21883/foundations-irst-support/
[10:32] <xnox> mpt: and it seems like it's what apple has been doing for a while now.
[10:32] <xnox> mpt: i'd love to discuss with you settings & installer changes that may be needed to accomodate for this. Ideally, I wouldn't want to introduce any UI, but we might have to.
[10:33] <mpt> ok
[10:34] <xnox> in essence - laptop goes to sleep, then there is a timeout (can be customized from 0 to a few hours, intel recommends default of 1h), after which everything from RAM is dumped onto a special partition and computer hibernates fully with like no power used.
[10:35] <xnox> mpt: on wake-up, firmware loads stuff from that partition into RAM and Ubuntu thinks it "got woken up from suspend". When actually it's been hibernating for days =)))
[10:35] <xnox> mpt: i think it will only take 30m - 1h to discuss, do you have time to schedule that sometime?
[10:36] <xnox> there are some privacy & encryption concerns but otherwise it's fairly straight forward.
[10:43] <mpt> xnox, I think I might be able to slot in some time to do that in November 2007: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExitStrategy?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=power-saving.jpg
[10:45] <xnox> mpt: excellent. "When asleep, go into zero-power mode ("hibernate")" can have "Never" as well right?
[10:45] <mpt> yes
[10:45] <xnox> awesome.
[10:45] <mpt> xnox, needs a bit of tweaking to fit into the current design, though :-)
[10:46] <xnox> mpt: and i think we may need to force disable it somehow. So for example - if one is using full disk encryption, asleep will have encryption keys stored in RAM then we must prevent it from going into hibernate, cause then encryption keys will be written out in plain text on the harddrive.
[10:47] <xnox> .... unless one has a hardware self-encrypting drive or ATA disk password.
[10:48] <xnox> and this technology is only available with SSD & <<8GB of RAM & when partition is present, thus for the rest we will continue to not offer "hibernate".
[11:09] <xnox> on the installer side - we will try hard to creae 8GB partition, when we believe intel rapid start is supported, but we might fail. In that case, we will offer manual force preseed to enable/disable creating that partition. But should that be exposed to the user?
[11:14] <xnox> mpt: how does this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power#PC relate to 2007 design?
[11:14] <mpt> xnox, it does not. ExitStrategy was a grand simplification that never happened.
[11:17] <xnox> mpt: fast user switching - done. Suspend & hibernate combined, will be possible with intel rapid start technology (that's what it is). And for the rest we don't expose hibernate (unless they follow my askubuntu and/or documentation to force enable it, in which case they keep both pieces). And the combined sleep/hibernate settings will be needed for the rapid start.
[11:18] <xnox> i'm not convinced about shutdown after in-activity, even desktops should sleep & transition to hibernate (there is desktop support for rapid start).
[11:25] <mpt> xnox, sleep/hibernate instead would certainly solve the problem of what to do with unsaved data.


[00:58] <tarun> question
[01:00] <tarun> i uploaded a 68 mb file through the web-interface.. but it doesn't show on the webpage
[01:00] <tarun> it does say though that # 68.0 MB of 2.0 GB Used (3.3%)
[01:20] <Fanfare> Hi there
[01:27] <Fanfare> on kubuntu install only ubuntuone-client or ubuntuone-client-gnome?
[01:28] <Fanfare> last one allways crashes
[02:47] <idyllic> hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. After start the client applet, I have a tray icon but right click then select connect does nothing.
[04:08] <idyllic> hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. When I start the client applet, It doesn't bring up the page for me to add my computer.
[05:40] <idyllic> hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. When I start the client applet, It doesn't bring up the page for me to add my computer.
[09:52] <idyllic> hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. When I start the client applet, It doesn't bring up the page for me to add my computer.
[11:08] <Skeptik> Hi, will it be possible to define a private storage area in ubuntu one ? I mean a storage on a server of my own accessible on the internet over ssh for exemple ...
[17:00] <Fanfare> Hi folks.
[17:03] <Fanfare> i guess ubuntuone should work on kubuntu too?
[17:08] <dobey> hi Fanfare
[17:08] <dobey> Fanfare: yes, it does. some people are using it
[17:08] <dobey> Fanfare: though it requires a little bit of work, I suspect, as KDE doesn't run gnome-keyring by default
[17:08] <Fanfare> ok, the docs are not that clear which client to use!
[17:09] <Fanfare> i already added and signed the repo,
[17:09] <dobey> well we only have one graphical interfaces at the moment
[17:10] <Fanfare> and ubuntuone-client-gnome always crashes here.
[17:10] <dobey> so if you want any GUI you'll need to use ubuntuone-client-applet to get it (or write some new UI)
[17:10] <dobey> Fanfare: yes, presumably because you haven't got a running gnome-keyring-daemon
[17:10] <dobey> Fanfare: you'll have to modify the session start-up to start gnome-keyring-daemon so that everything in the session gets its environment
[17:11] <Fanfare> ok, thx investigating that.
[17:16] <dobey> sure
[17:20] <Fanfare> ok, first misunderstanding concerning FAQ and Doc: FAQ says install ubuntuone-client then follow #install step 3-5 which assumes u installed ubuntuone-client-gnome!
[17:23] <dobey> please file a bug about that then. it probably didn't get updated when we changed the package naming
[17:23] <dobey> anyway, i must go now
[17:23] <dobey> later. and good luck with getting it running :)
[17:26] <Fanfare> thx, bb
[18:08] <rickspencer3> aquarius: I'm writing a little quick search utility ...
[18:08] <rickspencer3> and storing search history with desktopcouch records
[18:08] <rickspencer3> super easy!
[18:11] <aquarius> rickspencer3, excellent!
[18:12] <aquarius> that's how it *ought* to be, certainly :)
[20:42] <toros> hi
[20:43] <toros> is there a known server side issue with ubuntu one?


[00:45] <OvenWerks> it comes with alsa-utils
[13:30] <krytarik> zequence: Also, while this seems to work too, it looks like not using the front slash is preferrable: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-look/trunk/revision/179#debian/ubuntustudio-wallpapers.links , http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/dh_link.1.html
[13:31] <zequence> krytarik: I see. Yes, makes sense.
[13:32] <zequence> krytarik: Or, wait
[13:32] <zequence> HOw ould that work? The link needs to point to something else than the sourcw
[13:33] <zequence> Ah, the links are created first, then installed
[13:34] <zequence> Ok, going to try that
[13:49] <krytarik> zequence: Ftm, any opinion or plans on the latest changes to the Xubuntu seed?
[13:51] <zequence> krytarik: What changes were those?
[13:51] <zequence> I'll need to check
[13:51] <zequence> Unless it breaks something for us, should be no problem syncing with them
[13:54] <zequence> The links thing didn't work, so I'm renaming the file
[13:55] <zequence> krytarik: Right, the gstreamer thing
[13:55] <zequence> Not the fonts
[13:57] <zequence> I changed it. Thanks
[13:59] <krytarik> Sure.
[14:11] <OvenWerks> Qjackctl works OOTB now. There are two remaining problems with systray use... the icon doesn't show (in progress) and the indicator menu seems to need two clicks to do anything. Anyway it is usable.
[14:12] <zequence> Yep, the dbus options is enabled by default. Good
[14:12] <zequence> Nice to have that out of the way
[14:18] <OvenWerks> zequence: looking into the alsa state saving thing. ALSA does auto load the old state _if_ it has been saved to /etc/asound.state before that.
[14:19] <zequence> OvenWerks: But, shouldn't that be user defined?
[14:19] <OvenWerks> it used to be that got done on session end.
[14:20] <OvenWerks> So once the user set levels, they would still be there next boot.
[14:21] <zequence> OvenWerks: But, not in /etc, though, right?
[14:21] <zequence> Seems like alsa card configs should be defined per user, i.e. in the home dir
[14:21] <zequence> I mean, levels, and such
[14:26] <OvenWerks> just looking at the man page for alsactl, the default file loaded is /var/lib/alsa/asound.state.
[14:27] <OvenWerks> that would mean whatever saves it would have been in the system shutdown scripts.
[14:30] <OvenWerks> I suspect this is a systemd bug. PA deals with most cards by setting them to reasonable levels and remembering those levels. With some of the "pro" audio cards like the ice1712, PA just adjust the level going to the card. So with an internal card this problem would not show up.
[14:30] <zequence> Right
[14:35] <zequence> Ingen chans att man kan få till ghost-effekten bara som sådan? Eller, så kanske du skulle kunna testa och använda den till hela textloggan?
[14:36] <zequence> Funderar lite på sociala sidorna, där man skulle kunna använda default wallpaper, men modifierad, med enbart textloggan
[14:36] <zequence> CoF hamnar ju på ett annat ställe oftast - som MUG bild, då liksom
[14:36] <zequence> Och den skulle man också kunna ändra
[14:37] <zequence> Dessutom kan det ligga till grund för annat, som youtube videos och en massa annat
[14:37] <zequence> JAg är lite skeptisk till 3colorbakgrunden i de sammanhangen, men kan ju testa iaf
[14:37] <zequence> (i alla sammanhang utan när det gäller skrivbordbakgrunden, vill säga)
[14:38] <zequence> Woops
[14:38] <OvenWerks> ???
[14:38] <zequence> Meant for Set, who does understand Swedish
[14:38] <zequence> sakrecoer: ^ accidentally wrote some stuff here. Check it out when you can
[14:39] <zequence> We've been working on the artwork stuff. Plymouth theme, wallpaper, icons, etc
[14:39] <OvenWerks> No problem
[14:40] <zequence> OvenWerks: I started using recipes for all our sources. They autobuild to ppa:ubuntustudio-dev/autobuild
[14:40] <zequence> OvenWerks: Pretty nifty. Easy to keep track of changes, since you get new builds every day, if someting was changed
[14:41] <zequence> OvenWerks: Latest plymouth and wallpaper is there, if you want to check those out
[14:41] <OvenWerks> so you have expanded it then. used to only be a few.
[14:41] <zequence> Yep
[14:42] <zequence> I have it on my dev machine right now. Nice way to keep everything in check in between uploads
[14:42] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: all you need to know is "sakta men säkert" (slowly but surely) :D
[14:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils should be (re)storing alsa settings
[14:47] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ok. So, as you said, a systemd bug then?
[14:48] <OvenWerks> still looking :)
[14:51] <OvenWerks> init.d bug
[14:51] <OvenWerks> It appears we now use runlevel 5 for our standard run rather than runlevel 2 as in the past.
[14:53] <zequence> I forget which was what. Didn't Red Hat/Fedora do it that way, while Debian based used less?
[14:54] <zequence> So, now with systemd (and it was developed at Red Hat), it requires init.d to be configured as for Red Hat?
[14:55] <OvenWerks> not sure, RL2 in days gone by (when I used Slackware) was CLI only, and RL5 was X.
[14:56] <OvenWerks> alsa-utils does run in RL2 :)
[14:57] <zequence> Yes, Debian reduced the amount
[14:57] <OvenWerks> Anyway, bug time.
[14:58] <OvenWerks> in my opinion alsa-utils should be run in RL 2,3,4,5
[14:58] <OvenWerks> but in our case at least RL5
[14:59] <zequence> Think Debian and Ubuntu only had up to RL2 before, so probably more than a few packages that do it that way https://www.debian-administration.org/article/212/An_introduction_to_run-levels
[15:10] <OvenWerks> Bug #1567993
[15:10] <OvenWerks> Anyone who can reproduce this should confirm it.
[15:17] <zequence> OvenWerks: Don't have the hardware to try it on right now
[15:20] <OvenWerks> zequence: I added the bug here too: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/116443/testcases/1455/results
[15:20] <OvenWerks> looking at the "Bugs to look for" I can confirm the fixes all seem to be working.
[15:23] <OvenWerks> Hmm, actually alsa-utils is not in rc2.d either, but in rcS.d. I think that gets run before switching to final RL anyway. So the problem may be elsewhere
[15:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: So, there's a fix already on its way?
[15:27] <OvenWerks> in /var/log/syslog I find: systemd-udevd[400]: Process '/usr/sbin/alsactl -E HOME=/run/alsa restore 0' failed with exit code 99.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> So it appears that restore is done by udevd as the device becomes available so that USB devices get reset.
[15:54] <OvenWerks> The directory /run/alsa does not exist.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> zequence: you will likely be finding alsa restore failed messages on your machine too as it fails for each of my three audio interfaces.
[16:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: Right. And, I have it, so confirming
[19:46] <snapfractalpop> if I install US 16.04 beta, will it just become the normal release with updates when the official release is out?
[19:47] <flocculant> if you install the beta then you will be many Mb's of packages out of date as soon as you do - milestones are snapshots
[19:47] <snapfractalpop> flocculant: I'm planning on installing on a few laptops to donate to low income children / families
[19:48] <snapfractalpop> I would update to latest after installing.. but was wondering if it will "sort itself out" as the official release comes out
[19:48] <flocculant> yep - that makes no difference to the fact the beta is now well out of date :)
[19:49] <flocculant> any of the *buntu alpha or beta are :)
[19:49] <flocculant> you could do it that way - but frankly - the daily is as up to date as possible
[19:49] <snapfractalpop> flocculant: I'm game to use the daily..
[19:50] <snapfractalpop> but I guess one thing I'm wondering about is if the selection of packages will change.. and if that will throw them off
[19:50] <krytarik> zequence, sakrecoer: Giving this a thought, linking '/usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntustudio' and '/usr/share/xfce4/backdrops' directly seems to be a pretty bad idea, potentially causing all sorts of coinstallability issues and confusion on the user side - so I'd suggest just following the pattern and linking the former as a subdirectory to the latter.
[19:50] <flocculant> not sure - I only hang about in here with a qa head on - and I'm really Xubuntu QA :p
[19:50] <snapfractalpop> I just want to give them a nice easy linux experience, but without the unity / modern memory bloat of the vanilla dist
[19:51] <snapfractalpop> I love ubustu because it uses xfce (lightweight) and has lots of fun audio/video/graphics apps right out of the boxd
[19:51] <snapfractalpop> box*
[19:51] <flocculant> mmm
[19:52] <flocculant> snapfractalpop: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ from yesterday
[19:53] <snapfractalpop> flocculant: thanks!
[19:53] <flocculant> today's failed to build seemingly
[19:53] <OvenWerks> flocculant: failed to download repo lists
[19:54] <flocculant> snapfractalpop: returning to your "will it be final" then yes it should be
[19:54] <snapfractalpop> flocculant: great. thanks for the quick response
[19:54] <flocculant> OvenWerks: aaah - I wonder if that's actually an issue somewhere then - I was trying upgrades from trusty/wily to xenial and they were crashing out
[19:54] <snapfractalpop> I'm kind of pumped that these laptops will maybe help someone, instead of ending up in the dump
[19:54] <flocculant> eg not *just* a studio issue
[19:55] <OvenWerks> flocculant: ya I think a respin would "just work" once the servers are up
[19:55]  * OvenWerks is off to a DR appt
[19:55] <flocculant> snapfractalpop: probably shouldn't say it in someone else's dev channel - but is studio what these  low income children / families would actually use?
[19:57] <snapfractalpop> well.. here's how I see it: it runs on old laptops, has lots of good default app selections, I will further tweak to add other things
[19:57] <flocculant> right - but a disrto specifially aimed at media production was my point :)
[19:57] <snapfractalpop> flocculant: if you know of another option that is better suited, I'm definitely open to other options
[19:59] <snapfractalpop> flocculant: I think things like blender and gimp, etc. are pretty good tools for any children to learn on
[19:59] <flocculant> go for it then :)
[19:59] <flocculant> as I said - not my place to sell a distro in someone else's dev channel ;)
[20:00] <snapfractalpop> I thought about the educational distros too, but I also feel like I can have the best of both worlds (aptitute install whatever)
[20:00] <snapfractalpop> aptitude*
[20:02] <snapfractalpop> anyway, thanks for the help
[20:03] <flocculant> welcome :)
[21:33] <OvenWerks> flocculant: might do to remind people like that they do not have to install _everything_. Studio allows cherry picking. My first thought was why not xubuntu...
[21:33] <flocculant> OvenWerks: well yea - mine too - but as I said :p
[21:33] <OvenWerks> :)
[22:17] <flocculant> if he'd been in -offtopic I might have said something :)


[18:58] <pleia2> no luck with summary writers again this week, anyone around to pitch in?
[19:47]  * pleia2 skips out for a bit for lunch


[09:06] <mandel> Morning all!
[09:45] <JamesTait> Happy Monday!
[13:54] <dobey> whee
[15:06] <makdel> dobey, hello!
[15:06] <dobey> hi broken keyboard mandel
[15:06] <dobey> or you just can't spell your own name now? :)
[15:06] <makdel> dobey, it seems that we are not going to be many today, karni is ill and is a holiday in ar
[15:06] <makdel> dobey, he, I'm stupid :P
[15:07] <mandel> dobey, much better :)
[15:08] <dobey> hehe
[15:10] <mmcc> hi folks
[15:10] <dobey> hi mmcc
[15:11] <mandel> mmcc, o/
[15:37] <mandel> dobey, mmcc, what time do we have the standup?
[15:37] <mandel> if we have one, 'cause is just the 3 of us + brian (or so I think)
[15:37] <mmcc> mandel:  I'm checking on bug 1061901 with current trunk, I think brian fixed it with https://code.launchpad.net/~brian.curtin/ubuntu-sso-client/nam-setproxy-windows-workaround/+merge/130626
[15:38] <mmcc> mandel: in 20 minutes, according to the calendar
[15:38] <dobey> mandel: in ~22 minutes, but if it's just us few, i'd say skip it
[15:38] <mandel> dobey, I think the same
[15:38] <mandel> mmcc, hm... I wonder what was going on, did you see it happening on mac or linux?
[15:38]  * dobey needs to file his expenses today though
[15:39] <dobey> mandel: mvo is apparently around somewhere today too no? :)
[15:40] <mandel> dobey, uh, I forgot about him, sorry
[15:40] <mvo> dobey: hello
[15:40] <mmcc> mandel: IIRC there was a function that only existed in some new qt version or something - I don't remember seeing it on mac, but I might not have checked
[15:40] <mvo> I'm here, just finished (again!) my unity sc-integration branch, lets hope its really finished this time around :)
[15:40] <dobey> but yeah, half the team is gone
[15:40] <mandel> mvo, hehe I have the problems landing things in unity
[15:41] <mvo> mandel: :)
[15:41]  * mvo crosses fingers
[15:42] <dobey> mvo: is software-center the only project we (client engineering) ship for the consumer apps side of things?
[15:44]  * mvo scratches head
[15:44] <mvo> dobey: I think so
[15:47] <mmcc> mandel: confirmed that this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~brian.curtin/ubuntu-sso-client/nam-setproxy-windows-workaround/+merge/130626 fixes that bug, so I set it to fix committed.
[15:48] <dobey> hrmm
[15:48]  * mandel looks
[15:50] <mandel> mmcc, bummer, we have started working around bugs in diff lib versions.. I wonder if it is better to ship windows and mac with the same qt version as on linux
[15:50] <mandel> mmcc, will 'in theory' easy the pain with these type of things
[15:51] <mmcc> mandel: do all the supported versions of linux have the same version of qt?
[15:51] <dobey> mandel: we have to support multiple qt versions on linux
[15:51] <mandel> mmcc, no ^
[15:51] <dobey> mandel: we are going to have to do these sorts of things regardless of what versions we ship on mac/win
[15:51] <mandel> dobey, mmcc, which means that that should be failing on previews versions, right?
[15:53] <dobey> mandel: no. but that check is wrong; we should check the qt version, not the platform, to determine when to make that call
[15:53] <dobey> or pyqt version rather
[15:53] <mmcc> mandel: maybe - see brian's comments on the merge, he suspected a bug in pyqt, maybe that doesn't happen on linux?
[15:53] <mvo> is it broken on all platforms in this version?
[15:54] <mmcc> oh dobey's right - it's the pyqt version, not the qt version
[15:54] <mandel> we should double check.. I would not be surprised if it is a platform specific bug...
[15:54] <dobey> i suspect it's not a platform-specific bug
[15:54] <dobey> but a pyqt-version-specific change
[15:57] <mandel> dobey, we don't have tarmac running on old versions of ubuntu, do we?
[15:58] <mandel> would be something nice to have...
[15:58] <dobey> mandel: yes, but we don't land trunk on them; we do have nightlies building on them though, and the nightlies run the tests
[15:58] <dobey> mandel: but if the test isn't correct, it doesn't necessarily mean anything if it passes when it should fail :)
[15:59] <mandel> dobey, yes, that is one of the flaws of tests, you can write them to pass or they can have bugs :)
[15:59] <mandel> dobey, lets do tdd on our tests
[15:59] <mandel> hehe
[16:00] <mandel> mvo, dobey, mmcc, you decide if we do the standup, if we do it has to be in #u1-client due to my work :(
[16:00] <mmcc> for the systems that run the nightlies - how do (did) they get their pyqt versions? getting old pyqt versions is a problem
[16:00] <mvo> mandel: I would say lets do a short one
[16:01] <dobey> mmcc: they use what's in the ubuntu archive
[16:01] <dobey> mandel: i say skip it :)
[16:02] <mandel> mmcc, is you call
[16:02] <dobey> where's brian?
[16:03] <mmcc> I'd vote for a quick one. phone it in if you like
[16:03] <mandel> mmcc, well, lets do a quick one over #u1-client internal channel, is a matter of writing the notes..
[16:20] <mmcc> mandel, this could use a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/launch-separate-darwin-menu/+merge/135268
[16:20] <mmcc> also rockstar is on deck for reviews today. do we have rockstar here?
[16:20] <mandel> mmcc, on it
[16:21] <mmcc> we need a bot to remember who's on the team.
[16:22] <mmcc> brb
[16:22] <dobey> mmcc: https://launchpad.net/~online-services-clienteng
[16:22] <dobey> mmcc: rockstar is on swap day today
[16:23] <mmcc> dobey: ah, ok thanks
[16:27] <mandel> mmcc, I like the fact that we use subprocess, but is there a reason why we don't use the runner we already have under sso utils (I hate that module, but since it is there...)
[16:28] <mandel> mmcc, I'm talking about https://code.launchpad.net/~mikemc/ubuntuone-control-panel/launch-separate-darwin-menu/+merge/135268
[16:32] <dobey> mmcc: won't that also potentially launch multiple copies of the menu?
[16:32] <dobey> or does the menu do ipc and keep itself unique?
[16:32] <mandel> good point, we might need to use the trick we have atm with control panel
[16:33] <mandel> and sd, right?
[16:34] <dobey> i'm not sure if the other runner module code helps with that case or not, either
[16:34] <mandel> dobey, it does not AFAIK and i'd love to kill it, is buggy
[16:39] <mmcc> sorry, was afk there - the menu process doesn't try to keep itself unique, but the branch instantiates the menubariconlauncher after control panel has done its own unique app checking -- so if we launch CP multiple times, we don't launch the menu multiple times.
[16:39] <dobey> mmcc: but if you close the control panel, and then run it again, does it not open a new menu process?
[16:40] <dobey> mmcc: it's understandable if cp is already running, but what if it's not?
[16:40] <mmcc> It hasn't in my testing, no. now I need to double check to see if I can explain why :)
[16:45] <mmcc> so running the menu process twice (via popen or the shell) doesn't start two menu processes. the second one just silently does nothing. this is the expected behavior for mac apps, and it's handled by default by the cocoa framework. (which is why our qt apps don't also do it)
[16:46] <mandel> mmcc, go for cocoa! I wonder, is it possible to add a test for this in case this ever changes?
[16:48] <dobey> mmcc: ah ok. so it's just impossible to run the same cocoa process twice?
[16:49] <mmcc> mandel: not totally impossible. you can use 'open -n' on the shell to force it to start a new process, but I'm not sure what mechanism that uses
[16:49] <dobey> ah ok
[16:50] <mmcc> mandel, not sure about adding a test, what exactly do you want to test? I wouldn't expect the basic process running stuff in cocoa to ever change on us…
[16:51] <mandel> mmcc, that there is only one process that is ran.. maybe starting one and asserting that the second one is not.. but I don't know how
[16:54] <mmcc> assert sys.platform == 'darwin'
[17:01] <dobey> alright, need to get lunch; bbiab
[17:19] <mandel> EOD here, mmcc I'll finish the review tom early in my morning
[17:19] <mandel> see you all tom!
[17:20] <mmcc> ok, bye mandel!
[18:14] <dobey> who to beg for reviews now
[18:15] <dobey> oh brian is on holiday today
[18:16] <dobey> mmcc: so i guess it's just us left for today
[18:16] <mmcc> yeah, if you have a review for me, shoot.
[18:17] <mmcc> btw, how did you see that brian is on holiday? is there a listing somewhere I don't know about?
[18:22] <dobey> there's a 'holiday/leave calendar' on canonical admin
[18:24] <mmcc> oh, yeah I guess I remember seeing that. thanks
[18:31] <dobey> mmcc: i have 3 branches that i proposed during the sprint…
[18:31] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client-gnome/kill-share-contacts/+merge/134296
[18:31] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/no-msg-menu/+merge/134467
[18:32] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/no-msg-menu/+merge/134465
[18:33] <mmcc> ok, I'll take a look
[19:50] <dobey> mmcc: also, do you know the correct process for https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/what-does-the-root_mismatch-error-mean/ on Mac?
[19:50] <dobey> hrmm, the Ubuntu version of that needs to be updated as well
[19:51] <mmcc> dobey: yes, I recently sent chaselivingston some details about that, I'm not sure if he was planning to update that page or not.
[19:51] <chaselivingston> mmcc: …oops
[19:51] <dobey> ah
[19:51] <chaselivingston> mmcc: let me see if i can find that
[19:51] <mmcc> hrm, actually it wasn't that specifically. I'll send an email with the full details
[19:51] <dobey> great
[19:52] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ah ok, whew. thought i had lost it
[19:52] <mmcc> chaselivingston: no, in retrospect I think it was just on IRC or something :)
[19:53] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ah ok
[20:03] <mmcc> ok chaselivingston , I sent you the instructions. let me know if you need extra detail or if I should send them to anyone else too
[20:03] <chaselivingston> mmcc: thanks, i'll add those to the faq
[20:03] <chaselivingston> dobey: ^^^
[20:03] <dobey> cool, thanks
[21:53] <mmcc> so, our proxy tunnel runner works from source but not frozen for OSX. it also doesn't log any errors and just uses the plain t.i.reactor version of connectSSL when it can't start the proxy tunnel
[22:09] <dobey> mmcc: did you get a chance to look at my branches btw?
[22:11] <mmcc> dobey: still in the queue, sorry - I was thinking I'd be out of the weeds with this proxy question sooner, so I kept digging on it. I'll look now.
[22:19] <dobey> oh. what's wrong with the proxy?
[22:28] <dobey> well i think it's time for me to call it a day for now at least. later!
[22:34] <mmcc> whoops, missed you there. bye. as for the proxy - the basic issue is that the proxy tunnel is not being started on os x, and so we don't use the system-configured proxy. also we're not logging that fact.


[23:21] <shiggitay> Has there been an effort to port UT to Intel tablets etc?
[23:22] <shiggitay> I know the full desktop Ubuntu with version 15.04 plans on supporting the BayTrail-T CPUs/SoCs etc, but what about the UT teams?
[23:24] <nhaines> Pretty much none.
[23:24] <nhaines> Ubuntu Touch isn't a thing that exists.
[23:24] <nhaines> So the ubuntu-desktop-next ISO ought to work more or less.
[23:25] <shiggitay> ubuntu-desktop-next?
[23:26] <shiggitay> and hi nhaines  :)
[23:26] <shiggitay> Ahh ubuntu-desktop-next is 15.04
[23:28] <shiggitay> I've reverted my BayTrail tablet to Windows 8.1 for now... I'll wait for more support. Sound was a pain in the azz to get working, and even then it intermittently works
[23:35] <nhaines> Hi!
[23:35] <nhaines> ubuntu-desktop-next is a daily Ubuntu development build with Unity 8 swapped otu for Unity 7.
[23:36] <shiggitay> Ah
[23:36] <shiggitay> well when I google it it comes up with 15.04
[23:36] <nhaines> That way mainline Ubuntu isn't affected by anything Unity 8 development needs and Unity 8 development isn't slowed down because it can't interfere with mainline Ubuntu.
[23:36] <shiggitay> I hate Unity >_>
[23:37] <shiggitay> so cloky
[23:37] <shiggitay> clonky*
[23:37] <nhaines> It's the most powerful, streamlined power user interface I've ever used.
[23:37] <shiggitay> I mean it works with UT but with *buntu desktop? ew no
[23:37] <shiggitay> sorry.. but I Don't like it heh
[23:37] <nhaines> That doesn't mean it's clunky.
[23:37] <nhaines> With Unity 7 I never have to take my hands off the keyboard.
[23:38] <shiggitay> heh ok
[23:38] <shiggitay> again, I hate it :P
[23:38]  * nhaines shrugs.
[23:38] <shiggitay> :P
[23:38] <shiggitay> how was your xmas?
[23:39] <shiggitay> mine was mellow... I had to work overnight
[23:39] <shiggitay> oh well
[23:39] <nhaines> I don't celebrate Christmas but I did spend time with my family.  It was nice.  Ate too much and played Duck Hunt.
[23:39] <shiggitay> good paycheck a comin
[23:39] <shiggitay> Ahahahah nice
[23:39] <shiggitay> did you shoot at the dog? I know I do
[23:40] <nhaines> Not yet.  I got into a trance.  Although I do remember being able to shoot the dog.
[23:40] <shiggitay> HAHAHAHAHA I hate the mofo hahah
[23:40] <shiggitay> (the dog)
[23:40] <shiggitay> teasy bastard
[23:40] <shiggitay> lol
[23:41] <nhaines> The trick is not to miss three times.  :)
[23:41] <shiggitay> indeed but yeah he still pisses me off haha
[23:41] <nhaines> I got 275,000 points in clay shooting.
[23:42] <shiggitay> haha nice
[23:42] <shiggitay> I always sucked at that
[23:42] <nhaines> Trance  :)
[23:43] <shiggitay> heh
[23:43] <nhaines> The targeting reticule is a little laggy, though, so that was the main problem.
[23:43] <shiggitay> heh
[23:43] <shiggitay> rickspencer3, where in MD are ya? sorry your host mask gives it away
[23:44] <shiggitay> and I didn't know RCN spread to MD
[23:44] <rickspencer3> shiggitay, ha, I am not in MD ;)
[23:44] <rickspencer3> shiggitay, I live in DC, actually :)
[23:44] <shiggitay> Hahahh ok
[23:44] <shiggitay> I know RCN is in DC
[23:44] <shiggitay><EMAIL_ADDRESS><==
[23:44] <nhaines> Keep reading.
[23:44] <shiggitay> that's what your hostmask says
[23:44] <rickspencer3> shiggitay, are you in the area?
[23:45] <shiggitay> naw haha Boston area but I'm on RCN too
[23:45] <shiggitay> love it
[23:45] <shiggitay> better than comcrapcast
[23:45] <shiggitay> though 2nd best to FiOS
[23:45] <shiggitay> nhaines, keep reading what
[23:46] <shiggitay> rickspencer3, sorry for that... was just cool to see another RCN fan like myself
[23:46] <rickspencer3> hehe
[23:46]  * shiggitay pokes rsalveti
[23:47] <rickspencer3> shiggitay, s'okay, I talk a lot about living in DC, everyone knows
[23:47] <shiggitay> okay haha
[23:47] <shiggitay> didn't mean to come across as creepy :P
[23:47] <shiggitay> or stalker-y
[23:47] <shiggitay> of which I'm the complete opposite
[23:48] <shiggitay> I do visit DC area (Baltimore) once a year though... if I could find work down there I'd totally move there
[23:54] <doflaherty> I'm not seeing remote images show up in scopes - even the out-of-the-box weather template scope in the SDK
[23:55] <doflaherty> they show up if I run on the desktop, but not on mako


[00:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: dpkg-dev is in build-essential, so no need to depend on it
[00:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: nevermind, sorry, the diff wasn't clear that it was a binary dependency
[00:50] <micahg> well, not with a 2 second glance at least :-/


[16:07] <mhall119> some familiar names in here :)
[16:09] <mhall119> I need someone who can be a mentor for somebody writing a pkgme backend for Java apps, would anybody here be willing to help?


[00:46] <ahoneybun> I guess I'm internet famous now: https://irc-attachments.kde.org/J7F9qWEo/file_2671.jpg
[00:46] <ahoneybun> acheronUK: clivejo
[00:46] <ahoneybun> lol
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[11:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:03] <acheronUK> hi
[11:04]  * acheronUK waits for kio-gdrive....
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[11:13] <mparillo> If I install kio-gdrive, then as long as I start with Dolphin, and as long as I stay connected, I can use my GDrive as if it is one of my partitions? An if an application (say LibreOffice) uses kdialog as a file dialog, then kio-gdrive is also available from within the application?
[11:16] <acheronUK> mparillo: something like that. not tried it yet
[11:18] <mparillo> I happily use dropbox (command-line only) and I find it just works. And dropbox files are available offline.
[11:19] <mparillo> I know there are dolphin plugins for dropbox, but I just put things in the dropbox folder and it works. I don't try anything fancy like symlinks.
[11:56] <soee> do you also have this feeling that Plasma 5.10 is smoother than 5.9 ?
 I had 5.9 crash on me once but not 5.10
[11:58] <acheronUK> soee: yes, but it would be worrying if it wasn't
[11:59] <soee> :D
[11:59] <acheronUK> plasma 5.10 release notes: runs a more roughly compared to 5.9, or no improvement. sorry guys
[11:59] <acheronUK> would not be right ^^^
[11:59] <acheronUK> :P
[12:00] <acheronUK> * a bit
[12:02] <acheronUK> soee ahoneybun: plasma 5.8 was a milestone in goodness, but now I think we are really getting to 'making plasma great again'
[12:02]  * acheronUK runs
[12:03] <soee> well there are still unpolished areas, bugs etc.
[12:03] <soee> but the most important thing is it doesn't crash ;)
[12:04] <soee> now if only nvidia + qt 5.9 + wayland would work and be stable -.-
[12:04] <ahoneybun> all the bug reports I make are made invalid so
[12:04] <acheronUK> indeed. that days of constant plasma 5 crashes seems gone
[12:04] <ahoneybun> acheronUK: did you see that screenshot?
[12:05] <soee> mine (related to custom activity shortcuts) is unresolved liek 1.5 year already :D
[12:05] <acheronUK> ahoneybun: which?
[12:05] <ahoneybun> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/J7F9qWEo/file_2671.jpg
[12:06] <acheronUK> O_O
[12:06] <BluesKaj> soee,  any word on nvidia support for wayland yet ?  It appears to be stuck in limbo.
[12:06] <ahoneybun> yea weird acheronUK lol
[12:06] <soee> i don't think so :|
[12:06] <BluesKaj> bummer
[12:06]  * acheronUK wonders which packages and where that comes from
[12:09] <soee> BluesKaj: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/818053/linux/status-of-wayland-support-/3
[12:10] <ahoneybun> "only for kepler and newer."
[12:12] <BluesKaj> what's kepler?
[12:13] <ahoneybun> guessing the name of the GPU line
[12:14] <BluesKaj> don't see it in the repos
[12:14] <ahoneybun> would not go by that name in there
[12:14] <ahoneybun> they go by nvidia-3**
[12:15] <ahoneybun> http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia-kepler.html
[12:15] <ahoneybun> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_(microarchitecture)
[12:16] <acheronUK> ahoneybun: fetching from https://motd.ubuntu.com/
[12:16] <ahoneybun> I know dustin kirkland has control of ubu.one
[12:18] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-750M.90245.0.html
[12:18] <ahoneybun> that's my graphic card
[12:18] <ahoneybun> so it is kepler
[12:21] <BluesKaj> ok, nvidia kepler , then I'm out of luck.  Mine's an entry level gefororce 210...not a gamer so i settled for low powered model that doesn't require a new PSU for this old pc
[12:21] <ahoneybun> ahh
[12:21]  * ahoneybun freaks out that his bluetooth earphones work on Plasma
[12:22] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun,  cool , using pulseaudio ?
[12:22] <soee> i'm on 1060
[12:22] <ahoneybun> that's the default stuff BluesKaj
[12:22] <ahoneybun> soee: should work to that post but no idea
[12:23] <soee> but on laptop 650M :D
[12:23] <acheronUK> soee: good for you
[12:23]  * acheronUK eyes go green
[12:23] <BluesKaj> yes, i don't use PA, intel hda and alsa do the job
[12:23] <ahoneybun> PA is the default so works
 @acheronuk newest babe build
 (Photo, 1280x820) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/OU1QgXGC/file_2673.jpg
[12:25] <BluesKaj> another Poettering tiumphant impoisition
[12:25] <BluesKaj> triumphant...he has alot of fans in high places, unfortunately
[12:26] <BluesKaj> but I digress
[12:27] <ahoneybun> anyone up for BBB?
[12:30] <acheronUK> afraid not I'm having a glass of wine and watching the Monaco Grande Prix
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Greg Allman R.I.P
[12:33] <ahoneybun> acheronUK: http://imgur.com/GU1U9jP
[12:35] <ahoneybun> also https://phabricator.kde.org/T6219
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/kZhuTAL0/Screenshot_20170528_083943.png
 @acheronuk is this safe to post online?
 why would it not be?
 The whole 5.10 thing yesterday
 that was just not wanting to adverise the presence of the pre-releease tarballs
 Ahh
 we (packagers) are given privalaeged access to those, so  it's just a shout to the world at large which is the issue there
 screenshots which could be git or other release builds = no problem
 I'm running out of space lol
 the darm VM's take up 40gbs on their own lol
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[15:33] <clivejo> who what why where?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> you forgot when :-)
[15:35] <clivejo> https://irc-attachments.kde.org/J7F9qWEo/file_2671.jpg
[16:16] <ahoneybun> holy crap the Xubuntu slideshow is fancy
[16:16] <ahoneybun> with flying text and everything
 ahoneybun: yep. and more consise. we have too many slides
[16:51] <ahoneybun> WHAT!
 I keep asking for options...
 just trying to do too much I think.
 a little reluctant to get too deep into this, as I have plenty to do already. plus my html is cr*p
 Simon is bugging me to help package Qt with debian as well!
 @riks words hurt
 they are not meant to. I'm just trying to be honest about it.
[17:23] <ahoneybun> I know lol
 @acheronuk could list what slides you think we need?
 on that phab task
 I'll try to think that out later :)
 @ahoneybun Urgh. This slideshow is HORRIBLE to work on!
 noit your stuff. I mean generally
 😆
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zOAHn9h0/Screenshot_20170528_161216.png
 trying hard here
 just playing at the moment. reverted to the old kubuntu version and tried playing with stuff.
 not becasue I think we want to do that, but as a stable base to try things on
 the next/previous buttons need sorting!
 which is what I was playing with
 but I am losing patience. lol
 it works now no?
[20:16] <acheronUK> didn't when I tried it
 oh, it does. but can see the icon properly and the position and size is not very intuitive
 *can't see
 yea I know it's odd since the icon is black on grey
 I'm kinda liking this
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/hCKrDbcD/Screenshot_20170528_162128.png
 @acheronuk ?
 umm. not sure. looks broken
 mm
 well with the white like color the panel is hard to see
 Need to think about this. It's a hard balance to strike between being too simple, and going over the top and ending up with a 'feature tour' rather than an installer slideshow
 I think Xubuntu's hits the nail on the head on that
 just intro the desktop, how to get help, and contribute
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cqwifoh1/Screenshot_20170528_163014.png
 @acheronuk what about that
 @ahoneybun, or at least have those early on, as with speed of some installs now, having at the end may mean many people will never have a chance to see
 @ahoneybun, html header box? or still an image?
 it's all html
 no images there
 well other then the kubuntu logo
 which is using css to position
 :)
 also the slideshow I'm using is the full size one
 just changed the size in slideshow.conf
 @ahoneybun, yes, I saw we didn't match for some reason in that
 I think the other slideshows are all the same size it was the use of whole images that messed me up
 as said the other day, we are not up against an immediate deadline for this, so can take some time to get it right
 well its going to at our skill of html and css lol
 can do some real builds in a ppa and test in actual installs as well
 what?
 how
 before we submit merges
 you would have to make a new iso
 @ahoneybun, no. you could upload to a ppa, add that ppa to the live session and upgrade the slideshow package, then run the install
 @ahoneybun, or we could even upload to the KCI ppa, and spin a KCI iso with the modified slideshow
 oh right
 I'm still stuck on getting this box height
 maybe if you are not trying to do the things with a big background image, the testing script gives a better result, but seeing your changes in the actual installer is better :)
 I'm not using a big background
 just css color
 @ahoneybun, not now
 the screenshots I'm showing are not
 I meant before
 the one in the archive
 which looks not too bad on the testing script, but messed up in the real installer
 anyway. point was that as an extra QA step, we can quite easily test changes in the real installer. by one method or another
 right
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/sjqOewv5/Screenshot_20170528_164413.png
 got it now
 ok. can see how you get on with this.
 what?
 I'm resisting doing too much as (a) I don't like this code and (b) my natural tendancy would be to try to take over and do it all my way :P
 it would be easier to start all over most likely
 but maybe harder to get it started
 easier down the line
 @ahoneybun, I did wonder that. as the original was out of date, but not too bad a base
 I took the Ubuntu Bungie one as a base
 I like that typo. lol
 Budgie?
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wkt9y7sp/Screenshot_20170528_164915.png
 thats the normal slide color
 maybe that could be a communitty event? ubuntu Bungie?
 I'm finding how much I hate that Kate won't let you pull tabs out into new windows
 I love that in every browser
 seems I broke kickoff lol
 @acheronuk http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24695241/
 😆
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/9jpiE3Ih/Screenshot_20170528_165638.png
 @ahoneybun, it won't be when we have plasma 5.10 😋
 😆
 more neutral sceenshot that won't date maybe?
 welll the join the game one
 but I'm working on making an Applications slide in a bit
 something about the font and font rendering bothers me as well, but dunno how to improve that
 that's the scaling
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[13:39] <kimus> hi, need help compiling a module
[13:39] <kimus> insmod is giving me a -1 Unknown symbol in module
[14:45] <kimus> insmod is giving me a -1 Unknown symbol in module after i compiled from linux-source packate
[16:20] <howdyall> don't know if this is the right place but #ubuntu wasn't much help....i have a problem with ubuntu 8.10....i moved from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 but now there is something with my motherboard's Marvel raid controller.  When I have drives plugged into it, ubuntu won't even boot, it puts me into a busy box shell.  I have since tried a clean install of ubuntu 8.10 hoping that would clear it up, but with no luck...   Can I use a 8.04 kernel w
[19:51] <frankbass> hello
[21:40] <frankbass> some1 know edimax adapters?
[21:50] <frankbass> USB EDIMAX EW-7318USG


[01:25] <_paultag> kiko: ping, if you have a second. Nothing to do with launchpad, this was just the only channel I could find you in -- if you have a sec for a PM, that would rock
[03:13] <ojwb> hi, how long should the initial import of translations take?  the message when I uploaded suggested it would be a matter of hours, but it's approaching 3 days now
[03:13]  * ojwb is wondering if the files were duff somehow, or if there's a problem with that part of launchpad
[03:14] <mwhudson> ojwb: the rosetta guys are mostly in europe so leaving a question at answers.launchapd.net/rosetta might be the best thing to do
[03:14] <ojwb> how dare they sleep!
[03:20]  * ojwb finds an answer to a similar question: "They shouldn't have been stuck like this. I've approved the template now (and the rest should be automatically approved soon after), but please do let us know when something like this happens in the future. Feel free to ping us when it takes longer than a day or two (it's an automatic process that should usually happen in a few hours, but sometimes due to bigger load it gets done in a day)."
[03:30]  * ojwb has pinged them in a question (thanks mwhudson)
[03:47] <michaelh1> Hi there.  How can I view all current blueprints at once instead of a page of 75?
[03:49] <michaelh1> Ah, there we go - ?batch=foo
[03:51] <lifeless> michaelh1: within some limits, yes.
[03:51] <michaelh1> 300 being one
[03:51] <lifeless> application performance being the other
[03:52] <lifeless> there's a real chance of hitting the system timeout :)
[04:00] <michaelh1> Hmm.  A couple of uds-n blueprints have 'Not' (and nothing else) as the priority...  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/devprocess-foundations-n-udd-feedback
[04:01] <wgrant> michaelh1: "Not" is a priority.
[04:01] <wgrant> As in "this isn't a priority"
[04:01] <michaelh1> wgrant: I see
[04:05] <lifeless> its more than that
[04:05] <lifeless> its 'not going to happen', isn't it ?
[07:31] <alkisg_web> Hi, my team created a mailing list and then a member sent a mail, but it needed approval and even when it was approved nothing shows up in the lists archives: https://lists.launchpad.net/sch-devs/
[07:31] <alkisg_web> Is it possible that it was not created correctly?
[07:37] <spm> alkisg_web: hrm. it all looks setup correctly. checking logs...
[07:43] <alkisg_web> Thank you spm
[07:52] <spm> alkisg_web: the email in question was from Fotis T ?
[07:53] <sobczyk> hi,how long do I need to wait for packages to appear in my ppa after uploading to ftp?
[07:57] <spm> alkisg_web: in any event; I can see the email in a variant of aheld queue. but it's not being moved on, despite clearly not showing up in the queue of messages awaiting approval. I shall file a bug - this looks a tad more serious than a mere "oddity" as it were. :-(
[08:02] <alkisg_web> Sorry dns problems - if spm reads the backlog, yes, the mail in question is from Fotis T
[08:02] <spm> heh, np. ta
[08:02] <alkisg_web> Uh autocomplete failed :D
[08:03] <spm> :-)
[08:04] <wgrant> sobczyk: You should receive an email within five minutes, unless you didn't sign the package properly.
[08:05] <spm> alkisg_web: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/663702 you may wish to subscribe yourself to that, or not. :-)
[08:06] <alkisg_web> spm - thank you, but why did it need approval in the first place? Maybe the subscribed member posted too soon, before his subscription was processed?
[08:06] <spm> possibly
[08:07] <alkisg_web> spm: thanks a lot, and also for the bug report :)
[08:08] <spm> yeah. they beat approval by ~ 4 minutes. :-/
[08:08] <spm> actually... that's possibly why the message is apparently "lost". it had no one to be sent to?
[08:09] <alkisg_web> Maybe - the list had just been created when he sent the mail, I didn't even have the chance to subscribe myself
[08:09] <alkisg_web> (but I think it should still show up in the archive...)
[08:10] <sobczyk> wgrant: does the signing key must match the one I have in launchpad?
[08:11] <spm> alkisg_web: I agree. have so updated the report
[08:11] <wgrant> sobczyk: Yes.
[08:11] <sobczyk> wgrant: I try to add new fingerprint and it fails...
[08:12] <wgrant> sobczyk: How does it fail?
[08:12] <sobczyk> oh, I didn't read the last sentence... (about it being on the server)
[10:57] <PotcFdk> Hey. I just used dput to upload my package to my ppa. But I've choosed the wrong ppa name (missing character).... So I made a small change, rebuild the package, and reuploaded it to the right ppa....
[10:57] <PotcFdk> Now, does it take some time to appear on the website?
[10:58] <bigjools> PotcFdk: it can take up to 10 minutes to appear
[10:58] <PotcFdk> bigjools: ah, okay, thanks.
[10:58] <bigjools> if you don't get any email then there's another problem
[10:58] <PotcFdk> bigjools: I'll check this now...
[10:59] <PotcFdk> whoopsie, nothing there
[11:00] <PotcFdk> "[...] then there's another problem" --> what problem?
[11:04] <PotcFdk> bigjools ?
[11:05] <bigjools> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/227
[11:08] <PotcFdk> thank you, I will wait some time. If it won't show up and there won't be an email, I will contact Launchpad.
[11:08] <bigjools> PotcFdk: thanks
[11:14] <Tak> is there a list of high-profile organizations/projects using launchpad?
[11:25] <henninge> Tak: I think the "Featured projects" list on the homepage is a good start.
[11:28] <Tak> :-/
[11:28] <Tak> I'm trying to "sell" launchpad to my organization
[11:28] <Tak> and there's a fair amount of momentum for github
[11:30] <Tak> and there's a lot of fear that launchpad(/bzr) isn't ... popular enough that it can be relied on to still be around in a few years
[11:30] <Tak> so I'm having to respond to a lot of stuff like, "nvidia is using git", "mono is using git", ...
[11:32] <Tak> so, while canonical, ubuntu, mysql are good examples, things like gdesklets and musicbrainz picard don't carry the same weight in this case
[11:33] <henninge> Tak: I think it is quite obvious that you cannot sell Launchpad/bzr by pointing out it's popularity. You will have to point out it's benefits of integrating the whole development process.
[11:34] <henninge> As for availability over the next few years, I think Ubuntu is the biggest assurrance for this because it uses bzr and will not go away soon.
[11:34] <henninge> uses bzr andn Launchpad even.
[12:05] <Tak> yes, the technical merits of bzr and launchpad's support of the full development process are the reasons I'm pushing for it
[12:07] <tumbleweed> I'd say integration is one of the strongest arguments for launchpad
[12:41] <geser> lamont: Hi, can you please review the patch in bug 615286? It would be really nice to have that bug fixed soon with natty now opened for development and all the auto-syncs and uploads. Thanks.
[12:43] <lamont> geser: in the middle of filing another bug that prevents lp-buildd from deploying until it's fixed
[12:43] <Tak> tumbleweed: integration?
[12:44] <wgrant> lamont: What's broken?  That should be big enough :)
[12:48] <tumbleweed> Tak: bugs with code, code reviews with branches and bugs, PPAs with branches, etc.
[12:48] <lamont> geser: you're assuming that people actually read the code before inserting a line somewhere in it
[12:49] <PotcFdk> Hey. I tried to add my ppa to my sources-list, but add-apt-repository says "Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kevin-2/+archive/powdertoy"
[12:50] <Tak> tumbleweed: yeah, I agree
[12:50] <Tak> but other tools have those things as well
[12:50] <wgrant> PotcFdk: Is that PPA very new?
[12:51] <PotcFdk> Yep
[12:51] <lamont> wgrant: I'm inclined to make lifeless fix it
[12:51] <PotcFdk> Quite new...
[12:51] <Tak> actually, I /really/ like the way launchpad supports and encourages a formal code review process
[12:51] <wgrant> PotcFdk: I think your key should be generated within 10 or 20 minutes of creating your first PPA.
[12:51] <wgrant> PotcFdk: So give it a few more minutes.
[12:51] <bigjools> s/creating your first PPA/uploading first package/
[12:51] <wgrant> bigjools: Ah :(
[12:51] <PotcFdk> wgrant: Okay, thanks
[12:52] <Tak> much better than github's "send a pull request and then comment on some commits"
[12:52] <bigjools> for good reason
[12:52] <wgrant> yeah.
[12:53] <Tak> although github's "OMG COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC LINE OF A COMMIT!" feature really impresses people for some reason
[12:53] <tumbleweed> I was jut about to say that about rietveld :)
[13:50] <dothebart> hy everyone...
[13:51] <dothebart> i've uploaded the .po files of citadel.org into launchpad, but they remained in 'needs review' - state for over a month now.
[13:52] <dothebart> is there a huge chain of po's awaiting review, or is there anything else i should do?
[14:09] <allenap> henninge: Are you able to help dothebart?
[14:44] <henninge> dothebart: can you please tell me what the project is called, i.e. the link to the import queue?
[14:46] <dothebart> henninge: https://translations.launchpad.net/citadel/+imports
[14:54] <deryck> allenap, are you CHR today?
[14:54] <allenap> deryck: Yep./
[14:55] <allenap> deryck: What can I help you with? :)
[14:55] <deryck> allenap, no, no help needed. :-) was just about to re-target the malone bugs from launchpad, but saw the topic.  I'll let you do it ;)
[14:56] <allenap> deryck: Okay, thanks :)
[14:57] <allenap> danilos: Seems that henninge is not around right now. Can you help dothebart?
[14:58] <henninge> allenap: I am!
[14:58] <henninge> I am already looking at his queue but something else interrupted me.
[14:58] <allenap> henninge: Okay, sorry :)
[15:01] <dothebart> many thanks ;)
[15:09] <henninge> dothebart: sorry, too much stuff going on at the moment.
[15:09] <henninge> dothebart: I approved the template and the translations should be automatically approved soon.
[15:10] <dothebart> ok, tnx.
[15:10] <henninge> dothebart: I don't know about et_EE, though, since we don't have that language. Could that not simply be "et"?
[15:10] <henninge> I could rename it for you.
[15:15] <dothebart> hm, I think somebody from estonia told me it'd be named that way
[15:15] <dothebart> but he might be wrong
[15:30] <henninge> dothebart: we have this: https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/et
[15:30] <henninge> dothebart: We only use country specific language naming if it really necressary.
[15:30] <henninge> but not for the default country.
[15:31] <henninge> So there is "pt_BR" for Brazillian Portugese but simpy "pt", not "pt_PT" for Portugese from Portugal.
[15:39] <napster> "bzr pull lp:backman" gets me error "bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending CONNECT xmlrpc.launchpad.net:443: [Errno 110] Connection timed out"
[15:42] <dothebart> henninge: ah, now I got you.
[15:45] <dothebart> henninge: so de_DE is incorrect also?
[15:45] <henninge> dothebart: yes
[15:46] <henninge> well, not "incorrect" but "we don't use it"
[15:47] <dothebart> but how 'bout en_US and en_GB?
[15:49] <henninge> dothebart: we have en_GB but en_US is simply en
[15:49] <henninge> but you cannot translate into "en" anyway since your original strings are supposed to be in English.
[15:50] <dothebart> well, yes they are ;-)
[15:50] <dothebart> but thats C in locale terms usually?
[17:28] <maxb> losa: I believe in your operational toolbox of scripts and processes you have one for fixing branches broken by incorrect stacking locations. Please could you execute it on lp:~grass/grass6/grass64_release_debian ? Thanks.
[17:30] <Chex> maxb: let me look into that for you
[17:54] <allenap> napster: That sounds like an HTTP proxy problem. Can you disable proxies and try again?
[17:55] <napster> allenap: ?
[17:56] <mtaylor> AAAGGGGHHHHHHH
[17:56] <allenap> napster: The "CONNECT xmlrpc..." bit is typically what is sent to an HTTP proxy when initiating an SSL/TLS connection.
[17:56] <napster> allenap: let me try
[17:56] <mtaylor> I seem to have made enough tarball releases on launchpad now that my debian/watch file no longer has an index page it can go to to look for the latest
[17:56] <mtaylor> because the all-downloads page is now paginated
[17:57] <allenap> jelmer: Can you help mtaylor?
[17:58] <mtaylor> jelmer: please. :)
[17:58] <jelmer> hi allenap, mtaylor
[17:59] <allenap> rockstar: I have to go now, so can you help napster with a bzr problem?
[17:59] <rockstar> napster, hi
[17:59] <napster> rockstar: hi
[17:59] <mtaylor> hey jelmer
[17:59] <napster> allenap: rockstar The problem persists
[18:00] <napster> allenap: rockstar I've removed the proxy served from the system proxy settings
[18:00] <rockstar> napster, give me a second to read the backchat and get caught up on the conversation.
[18:00] <mtaylor> jelmer: so ... all downloads seems to no longer be sorted (I don't know if it ever was) but now the most recent tarball does not show up on page one of http://launchpad.net/drizzle/+download
[18:00] <mtaylor> jelmer: so I'm at a loss as to what to put in debian/watch :(
[18:01] <rockstar> napster, hm, you shouldn't have had a proxy on 443, truthfully.
[18:01] <rockstar> napster, it happens every time?
[18:01] <mtaylor> jelmer: oh- hey, I think I came up with a hack around it
[18:01] <jelmer> mtaylor: Can you file a bug about the sorting? It seems wrong to not sort those pages.
[18:02] <napster> rockstar: I'm trying for a while :(
[18:02] <mtaylor> jelmer: yes, I can do that
[18:02] <jelmer> mtaylor: The front page for drizzle has a tar.gz link too, can you use that in the mean time perhaps?
[18:02] <mtaylor> jelmer: and for now, I just made the first part of the watch line http://launchpad.net/drizzle instead of http://launchpad.net/drizzle/+download
[18:02] <mtaylor> yes
[18:02] <jelmer> gmta (-:
[18:04] <rockstar> napster, what's your connection like?
[18:04] <mtaylor> jelmer: :)
[18:04] <mtaylor> jelmer: bug filed
[18:04] <napster> rockstar: Through a DSL modem
[18:04] <napster> rockstar: Like direct
[18:17] <Chex> maxb: you should be all set now: 2010-10-20 17:12:30 INFO    Branch for '377476' at 'lp-internal:///~grass/grass6/grass64_release_debian' stacked on u'/~timmie/grass6/grass_trunk', should be on '/~grass/grass6/grass_trunk'. 2010-10-20 17:12:30 INFO    Done
[18:19] <alkisg> Hi, where should I file a bug about some mailing list web pages not showing utf8 chars? In https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad or in some other component?
[18:19] <alkisg> (wrong example: https://lists.launchpad.net/linux.sch.gr/ - right example: https://lists.launchpad.net/linux.sch.gr/msg00263.html)
[18:21] <maxb> Thanks Chex
[18:22] <napster> rockstar: Any idea? Should I report a bug?
[18:22] <rockstar> napster, can you branch from other branches on Launchpad?
[18:22] <rockstar> napster, I'm inclined to think there is an issue with your net connection.
[18:23] <napster> rockstar: I hope the net connection is ok. But what is error number 110?
[18:23] <rockstar> napster, it appears to be a timeout.
[18:24] <rockstar> napster, what version of bzr are you using?
[18:24] <napster> rockstar: 2.2.0
[18:25] <rockstar> napster, can you branch from any other branches on Launchpad?
[18:25] <napster> rockstar: Let me try
[18:27] <alkisg> OK, filed in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/664044
[19:30] <DoeNietWil> mac just stole launchpad's name
[19:57] <c_korn> hello. where there some changes to the rdf for keyring lately? this call g.parse('https://launchpad.net/people/%s/+rdf' % self.lpgroup) (g is from rdflib.Graph import Graph) returns this error: http://pastebin.com/Svim5r0R
[22:14] <jcsackett> back
[23:15] <cetinsert> hi
[23:15] <cetinsert> does canonical or anyone from the launchpad.net community have plans to complain about apple naming an application in mac os x lion 10.7 also launchpad!?
[23:16] <mwhudson> cetinsert: canonical's legal team have been asked, yeah
[23:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: jml did that already?
[23:17] <mwhudson> lifeless: didn't he?
[23:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: well, I think we agreed that that is what needs to happen....
[23:17] <mwhudson> ok
[23:17] <mwhudson> close enough, i trust jml's GTD mania
[23:18] <lifeless> cetinsert: bug 664107 was filed about this
[23:18] <lifeless> we've only just started looking into, so I can't say if we're going to complain or whatever yet.
[23:18] <cetinsert> i do strongly support any actions you plan to take in this case!
[23:20] <cetinsert> I am very positively pleased to see people have noticed and planned to do something about (well, at least take a look into) it. ^__^ ... I have always liked Ubuntu and all the open-source community ...
[23:22] <cetinsert> good luck and lots of success with your business ... that was all I wanted to know and I am astonished to get a personal answer so quickly! wish you all a nice time from Heidelberg, Germany *^o^*!!
[23:23] <lifeless> thank you


 line 208, in _init_icons
     secure_pix = secure_icon.pixmap(ICON_SIZE / 2, ICON_SIZE / 2)
 TypeError: arguments did not match any overloaded call:
   pixmap(self, QSize, mode: QIcon.Mode = QIcon.Normal, state: QIcon.State = QIcon.Off): argument 1 has unexpected type 'float'
   pixmap(self, int, int, mode: QIcon.Mode = QIcon.Normal, state: QIcon.State = QIcon.Off): argument 1 has unexpected type 'float'
   pixmap(self, int, mode: QIcon.Mode = QIcon.Normal, state: QIcon.State = QIcon.Off): argument 1 has unexpected type 'float'
   pixmap(self, QWindow, QSize, mode: QIcon.Mode = QIcon.Normal, state: QIcon.State = QIcon.Off): argument 1 has unexpected type 'float'
 crash in KDE ubiquity
 does anyone with better python than me think it might be due to this in python 3.10?
 https://bugs.python.org/issue37999
 Yes, it may be due to that. Need to use int(foo).
 thanks
 fixes it. but there at least 2 more places in the code with a similar issue. probably more