[04:53] <goldfish> wastrel: hmmm, did that, then tried ifconfig again, still just lo :/
[04:54] <MachineScrew> wastrel: I would start from scratch back up your home and do a fresh install
[04:54] <wastrel> MachineScrew:  i've done several w/ debian
[04:54] <nickrud> Janux, I've never used that thing, so I can't help.  Ask for help with it.
[04:54] <wilbertoki> dcraven: well then I want to thank you because if that was the the wiki I used at ubuntus forums it is how I got it working and streaming mythtv to my cable-tv free room
[04:54] <MachineScrew> but then again that is just me
[04:54] <Janux> anyone, please leave me the way to configure it, I am logging it...thanks.
[04:54] <Xenguy> MachineScrew: absolutely not true
[04:54] <dcraven> wilbertoki: mine's in the wiki, not the forum.
[04:54] <wastrel> MachineScrew:  i don't think it's upgrade related i think it's some new hoary thing doinking my connectivity somehow.
[04:55] <wilbertoki> dcraven: I meant wiki sorry
[04:55] <wastrel> maybe the suspend/sleep stuff
[04:55] <dcraven> wilbertoki: cool. You're welcome :)
[04:55] <wastrel> goldfish:  do you have tulip running?    lsmod | grep tulip
[04:55] <wilbertoki> dcraven: ndiswrappers site didnt have ubuntu specific instructions
[04:56] <goldfish> wastrel: tulip             46112   0
[04:56] <wilbertoki> dcraven: this was only 3 days ago so the problem hasnt been fixed
[04:56] <dcraven> wilbertoki: no, the wiki instructions are debian/ubuntu specific though.
[04:56] <wastrel> goldfish:  ok tulip is running :]   i do recall that the DEC chip cards have a new driver in recent kernels tho...
[04:57] <wastrel> goldfish:  maybe that's the one you're supposed to use with that card nowadays....
[04:57] <goldfish> oh right
[04:57] <goldfish> Sorry, I haven't got a clue about this :)
[04:57] <wilbertoki> dcraven: what kind of access point are you using
[04:58] <dcraven> wilbertoki: it's a D-Link router.
[04:58] <dcraven> wilbertoki: but it works with every AP I've came across so far.
[04:59] <wilbertoki> dcraven: I just got a wrt54g, I found out you can load your own firmware on it, ssh into it and set it up as a wds repeater
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> wrt54g is good, I have one
[05:00] <Dark3Lite> hm...how do I dial out in gentoo  using modem..
[05:00] <wilbertoki> hrdwrbob: have you tried wds mode?
[05:00] <abstractism> dang
[05:00] <abstractism> still doesn't work
[05:00] <wastrel> goldfish:  try reloadin the tulip module:  "sudo rmmod tulip" then "sudo modprobe tulip"   if that doesn't work i'm out of ideas (not my area of expertise :)
[05:01] <abstractism> wastrel, the wiki thing didn't do anything different
[05:01] <wastrel> abstractism:  sry that's what i used :/
[05:02] <abstractism> oh well
[05:02] <abstractism> mesaGL is still pissing me off
[05:02] <wastrel> what card do you have?
[05:02] <abstractism> 256 meg radeon 9800 pro
[05:03] <wastrel> goldfish:  the other module to try is de4x5
[05:03] <goldfish> ###################
[05:03] <goldfish> woops
[05:03] <wastrel> radeon 9600 mobile :]
[05:03] <goldfish> wastrel: i'll try that now.
[05:03] <abstractism> this used to be a windows gaming machine before windows totally pissed me off
[05:03] <abstractism> microsoft should try to not suck so bad
[05:03] <hybrid> lol
[05:04] <abstractism> all their successful products have been other companies' successful products
[05:04] <abstractism> I don't think anything that they've made is really that good
[05:04] <wastrel> any idea how i can get my wifi working again after it's quit on me?
[05:05] <goldfish> wastrel: Ok reloading tulip didnt work :/ , how do i try that other module do you know?
[05:05] <wastrel> i don't like having to reboot :p
[05:05] <wastrel> goldfish:  just do modprobe de4x5
[05:05] <nickrud> Anybody got a quick fix for why a sblive makes no sound?
[05:05] <yfir> i'm going to get lynched for this, but IE isn't a bad browser... *ducks*
[05:05] <wastrel> nickrud:  open up alsamixer and unmute your channels
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: disable onboard sound :)
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> and that
[05:06] <goldfish> hmmm, no joy :/
[05:06] <nickrud> wastrel, HrdwrBoB I've already suggested all but disable onboard sound :)
[05:06] <goldfish> I'll try posting on the forums.
[05:06] <goldfish> wastrel: Thanks for your time.
[05:06] <thechitowncubs> Hey, anyone know if there is any way to speed up the boot time of openoffice 2?
[05:06] <wastrel> goldfish:  good luck  try in #linuxhelp also this is general enough they should be able to assist...
[05:06] <goldfish> ah right thanks
[05:07] <burner> thechitowncubs, apt-get install ooqstart-gnome ?
[05:07] <burner> or something along those lines
[05:07] <burner> apt-cache search gnome open office quick start
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> how do dial up via modem in gentoo?
[05:07] <goldfish> lol
[05:07] <thechitowncubs> burner, does that work with oo2?
[05:07] <wastrel> Dark3Lite:  wvdial
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> oo.k
[05:07] <cens0red> mark shuttleworth?
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> that's the command I need to use..
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> wastrel, ?
[05:08] <burner> thechitowncubs, er... ooh...it may not... worth a shot though :)
[05:08] <burner> maybe gnome-ooqstart2 or something
[05:08] <wastrel> Dark3Lite:  man wvdial  first.  then wvdialconf  then wvdial
[05:08] <wastrel> Dark3Lite:  and hope your modem is supported under linux
[05:08] <Dark3Lite> hehe
[05:08] <wastrel> mine doesn't seem tobe :[
[05:08] <Dark3Lite> it's a HP Laptop
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> Nx500
[05:09] <burner> thechitowncubs, looks like oo1 :\  sorry
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> Nx5000
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> so I hope so
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> rebooting to test wastrel ...thanks for the help
[05:09] <wastrel> gl
[05:09] <thechitowncubs> =/
[05:10] <kaesehummer> has anyone had trouble with mplayer not working in gnome but working under a different wm?
[05:10] <DarkSalamander> hey all
[05:10] <DarkSalamander> I've got a quick question about the live CD
[05:11] <yfir> kaesehummer: before anything else, make sure mplayer is configured to use esd rather than alsa/oss
[05:11] <DarkSalamander> is it possible to save your configuration from your live session onto a hard disk like on knoppix?
[05:11] <kaesehummer> yfir, that did it, thanks
[05:12] <geargolem> How to enable direct rendering?
[05:12] <randabis> wave a magic wand
[05:12] <nickrud> geargolem, be sure to mention the Sis card when you ask :)
[05:12] <PHPWannabe> Anyone here have a background in web design?
[05:12] <muk_amd64> geargolem, what video card you gots?
[05:12] <geargolem> randabis, how about you wave the magic wand up your a...
[05:12] <burner> geargolem, you sure you don't have it on already?  glxinfo |grep direct
[05:13] <geargolem> muk_amd64 SiS
[05:13] <muk_amd64> geargolem, no clue, heh
[05:13] <thr1ce> anyone know a goog time to go breezy ?
[05:13] <geargolem> I'm sure burner.  positive.
[05:13] <randabis> geargolem: perhaps I could, but that would be juvenile
[05:13] <solomarv> thr1ce: october? :-P
[05:13] <nickrud> thr1ce, when mono 1.1.x makes it, and burner is crazy
[05:13] <hybrid> lol
[05:13] <thr1ce> bruner, getting stable?  I ran it last week and it was a little shady
[05:13] <geargolem> randabis, yes it would.
[05:14] <muk_amd64> what's breezy?
[05:14] <burner> thr1ce, what was shady?  i haven't noticed anything bad yet
[05:14] <hybrid> testing
[05:14] <thr1ce> nickrud: any place to see a sorta "changelog" of activity?
[05:14] <randabis> geargolem: then I am at a loss as to why you would suggest such an activity
[05:14] <thr1ce> nickrud: nah, I ran it for a bit and didnt' notice anything bad
[05:14] <nickrud> thr1ce, subscribe to the breezy-changes maillist, it will scare you right now :)
[05:14] <thr1ce> nickrud: well, anything on a website by chance?
[05:14] <thr1ce> of daily changes and such
[05:15] <randabis> The air outside feels breezy
[05:15] <Levande1> Think I posted a message in the wrong forum on ubuntuforums.  Any way to get it moved?
[05:15] <thr1ce> nickrud: isn't that supposed to happen in a few weeks or so?
[05:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, they haven't even decided on the goals, let alone set up a tracking system
[05:15] <|QuaD->  /me wonders if there are videos or anything from the conference
[05:16] <thr1ce> nickrud: oh; I thought there was syncing going on at a conference in a few weeks
[05:16] <thr1ce> beginning of may or so
[05:16] <thr1ce> has firefox 1.0.3 hit as an update by chance?
[05:16] <nickrud> thr1ce, conference is occuring as we talk, give'm a break :)
[05:16] <randabis> I just use the mozilla.org firefox :)
[05:16] <thr1ce> nickrud: aaah...I was told after the conference is a good time to start testing breezy out
[05:17] <|QuaD-> thr1ce: i think thats when they are going to start updating it
[05:17] <|QuaD-> now it is mainly just the sync
[05:17] <thr1ce> |QuaD-: it's been updating, actually
[05:17] <thr1ce> gnome 2.10.1 is in
[05:17] <nickrud> thr1ce, personally, I'll wait until 05.08 to even consider changing
[05:18] <thr1ce> nickrud: ok...maybe that's the date i'm considering; what does that signify, again?
[05:18] <|QuaD-> thr1ce: thr1ce yeah, but i think the big modifications are being done after udu, that is just an update
[05:18] <randabis> If I use breezy in the testing phase, it will be in the final months (when there is about 3 months left before release) like I did with Hoary
[05:18] <nickrud> two months before release, any sane person will give themselves some time to stablize their work.
[05:19] <thr1ce> eh...i'm a bleeding edge sorta guy
[05:19] <yfir> thr1ce: you obviously don't need to do work on your comp :)
[05:19] <randabis> I'll put grumpy on a partition if it ever comes to surface
[05:19] <thr1ce> yfir: my comp. works just fine, actually
[05:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, I ran stable for years, updated daily. bleeding edge? Not quite, but close enough :)
[05:19] <wastrel> PHPWannabe:  what's your web question?
[05:19] <wastrel> Levande1:  can't you delete it & repst in the proper place?
[05:20] <|QuaD-> nickrud: updating stable is like doing a security update on win98
[05:20] <yfir> thr1ce: well for me, turning my work comp into a testing comp is risky
[05:20] <PHPWannabe> oh, i was wondering how to make a <td> change color on hover, but someone in #web answered
[05:20] <thr1ce> nickrud: yeah; I want updated software that I use everyday, though
[05:20] <Unfrgiven> how does one upgrade to breezy?
[05:20] <nickrud> |QuaD-, wouldn't know, haven't done any security updates on windows :P
[05:20] <solomarv> Unfrgiven: edit sources.list
[05:20] <thr1ce> Unfrgiven: changing your repositories to breezy instread of hoary; but, be careful
[05:20] <wastrel> heh is breezy considered an "upgrade" at this point?
[05:21] <geargolem> would mesa3+GGI be better for a SiS video driver?
[05:21] <Unfrgiven> solomarv: thr1ce: thanks
[05:21] <thr1ce> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <thr1ce> sure
[05:21] <geargolem> *mesag3
[05:23] <nickrud> thr1ce, I probably will set aside a partition a little early, but I don't consider that 'running' breezy
[05:23] <nickrud> I just like watching good work
[05:24] <thr1ce> nickrud: I see; but, may 8th is "stable" enough for the desktop?
[05:24] <GammaRay> who cares? :-D
[05:24] <thr1ce> i know that's impossible to answer
[05:25] <nickrud> thr1ce, that was a hopeful date, but I ran the same debian system that broke regularly and learned to fix it. YMMV
[05:25] <geargolem> I am using mesag3-glide2...but would mesag3+GGI be better for an old SiS?
[05:25] <thr1ce> breaking stuff is the only way to learning
[05:25] <thr1ce> nickrud: what is May 8th?
[05:25] <GammaRay> I ran mandrake cooker for months on end.. you just have to be careful of when you update
[05:25] <nickrud> geargolem, why do you have glide2 - that's for a verrrrry old voodoo card
[05:26] <nickrud> thr1ce, 2005 august :)
[05:26] <geargolem> nickrud, because it works :P
[05:26] <thr1ce> nickrud: I thought you said may 8 ?
[05:26] <nickrud> thr1ce, no, 05.08
[05:26] <thr1ce> ooh
[05:27] <thr1ce> nickrud: well, after the conference is up, updating to breezy should be more stable eh ?
[05:27] <gratuit> it would be nice....
[05:27] <nickrud> thr1ce, no that's when it really breaks, because the start to play
[05:27] <yfir> gratuit: it'll come eventually
[05:27] <nickrud> s/the/they
[05:28] <thr1ce> nickrud: how long does the conference last ?
[05:28] <nickrud> dunno, ask yfir, he may know
[05:28] <bpuccio> I currently have a mirror of i386 packages only, I use it for several computers, I don't mind sharing with the community, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate to submit it for addition to the list of mirrors since its incomplete, anyone know if I should or shouldn't?
[05:28] <Unfrgiven> thr1ce: it finishes on saturday
[05:29] <thr1ce> Unfrgiven: aah, ok; neat
[05:29] <thr1ce> so i'll give them a week or so after :)
[05:29] <nickrud> thr1ce, use a spare partition if your real work matters :)
[05:30] <thr1ce> nickrud: bah; my HDD already has 3 partitions
[05:30] <nickrud> thr1ce, 8
[05:30] <hybrid> o_0
[05:30] <thr1ce> oh my
[05:30] <thr1ce> :)
[05:30] <GammaRay> but how many OSs?
[05:31] <PHPWannabe> how do you take a screenshot?
[05:31] <hybrid> in gnome?
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> press 'printscreen'
[05:31] <nickrud> GammaRay, a win98 for my legacy win app, and, currently, debian, warty (going away soon) and hoary
[05:31] <GammaRay> some menu thingy
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> or, system-> take screenshot
[05:31] <GammaRay> yep.. that menu thingy
[05:32] <hybrid> lol
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: you'd be better off with just hoary and vmware win98
[05:32] <yfir> or in a terminal: gnome-panel-screenshot
[05:32] <hybrid> GammaRay: did you do some work on dslinux
[05:32] <hybrid> ?
[05:32] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, you donating :)
[05:32] <gbhat> are gdesklets broken in hoary?
[05:32] <GammaRay> hybrid: can't say I did
[05:32] <PHPWannabe> hrm...i'm using kubuntu
[05:32] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, actually I use it maybe once a month, not worth the expense :)
[05:32] <thr1ce> i need to convert one of my win partitions to vfat
[05:33] <hybrid> well the chanserv in #dslinux was a GammaRay
[05:33] <gbhat> PHPWannabe, got a broken kdelibs-data update two days ago?
[05:34] <burner> can anyone tell me their best way for mounting samba shares (preferrably through a gui... nautilus maybe?)
[05:34] <PHPWannabe> gbhat: haven't updated in a few days
[05:34] <PHPWannabe> printscreen isn't working with gimp...
[05:34] <GammaRay> randabis: going to the clinic now?
[05:35] <antonio_> burner: i use Places -> Connect to Server... and then specify that is a windwos share
[05:35] <hybrid> lol
[05:35] <theturtle> which folder do i need to download so i can have a local repository
[05:35] <burner> antonio_, that's not a true "mount" though
[05:35] <hybrid> god bless linux and its de/wm
[05:35] <burner> try to play audio files with that... it doesn't work
[05:35] <theturtle> i wanna put it on a second drive
[05:35] <randabis> GammaRay: they sent me home before so I won't waste the time
[05:35] <burner> it's just a "link" on your desktop
[05:35] <randabis> unless they have some orchata
[05:35] <PHPWannabe> nm...gimp does it for me
[05:35] <antonio_> burner: true, i just use it to get files of the net to my harddrive
[05:36] <randabis> orchata is good stuff
[05:36] <hybrid> randabis: get any chinese
[05:36] <burner> antonio_, my plan is to play mp3s from my server on my laptop :)
[05:36] <theturtle> anyone know which URL holds all the packages for Hoary?
[05:36] <randabis> nah no chinese
[05:36] <GammaRay> randabis: so kubuntu isn't treatable?
[05:36] <hybrid> :'(
[05:36] <hybrid> lol
[05:36] <hybrid> kde has no cure
[05:36] <hybrid> they can cure window but now kde
[05:36] <hybrid> :P
[05:36] <randabis> GammaRay: it grows on you
[05:37] <tolle> burner: What do you use to play your mp3s?
[05:37] <CarlK> what is the package that has gcc, make, etc?  dev-essencials or something
[05:37] <nickrud> theturtle, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[05:37] <antonio_> burner: yeah i get what you are saying
[05:37] <tolle> burner: Rhythmbox?
[05:37] <burner> tolle, bmp
[05:37] <burner> i could use rhythmbox
[05:37] <randabis> CarlK: build-essential
[05:37] <tritium> CarlK, build-essential
[05:37] <xenobytes> I'm having fairly serious network/DNS problems on a local network/Broadband connection. Any websites that request or place a cookie will not load, and I cannot connect to anything through the webbrowser via SSL. Doing a TCP dump I randomly get <IP_ADDRESS> resolutions on established tcp connections. What's going on?
[05:37] <burner> tolle, why?
[05:37] <CarlK> ahh, you have to spell it right ;)
[05:37] <CarlK> thanks
[05:37] <tolle> burner: if you would use rhythmbox, just using the "connect to server" thing in nautilus works
[05:37] <theturtle> al that nickrud eh?
[05:37] <randabis> lawl
[05:37] <yfir> kde does in fact have a cure: http://wmi.modprobe.de/
[05:37] <burner> tolle, no shit?  thanks, i'll try it :)
[05:38] <tolle> burner: since it uses gnome-vfs, it can read the stuff that you mount with nautilus.
[05:38] <antonio_> i trie dthe connect to server thing and XMMS does not work with it
[05:38] <GammaRay> randabis: a fungus then...
[05:38] <nickrud> theturtle, that's where the packages come from, but not all packages there belong to hoary :)
[05:38] <burner> yeah yeah, makes sense... thanks tolle
[05:38] <burner> xmms and bmp don't use gnome-vfs
[05:38] <randabis> GammaRay: a magical one :)
[05:38] <hybrid> yfir: nothing beats minimalist wm
[05:39] <burner> too bad too... browsing around a network... it'd be nicer to not add things to the rhythmbox library
[05:39] <xenobytes> Has anyone else had problems behind simple NAT devices with Ubuntu?
[05:39] <burner> xenobytes, nope
[05:39] <randabis> be back
[05:39] <GammaRay> not a single person
[05:39] <hybrid> be front
[05:39] <GammaRay> no one
[05:39] <Ihavetiger> hello
[05:39] <theturtle> ok nickrud
[05:39] <xenobytes> None of the windows machines are experiencing any difficulties.
[05:39] <GammaRay> it's been proven
[05:40] <xenobytes> But, like I said, I get random name resolutions of <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:40] <tolle> burner: Im a big rhythmbox fan... So I realy love that feature.
[05:40] <xenobytes> has anyone ever seen this?
[05:40] <ihavebreezy> i can beat tiger
[05:40] <nickrud> theturtle, didn't mean to be flippant, the way debian/ubuntu deals with packages is not just dropping them in a directory
[05:40] <tolle> burner: I can play the stuff I got at my homeserver from school over ssh without and problems with it.
[05:40] <burner> very cool
[05:41] <burner> i hate rhythmbox ;)  i'll reconsider when .9 is final
[05:41] <hybrid> tolle: ould this work? ssh to my laptop from school and bypass Bess?
[05:41] <hybrid> **would
[05:41] <burner> tolle, i cna't import :\
[05:42] <tolle> What services is it that is blocked?
[05:42] <nickrud> burner, I know what you mean, I had real hopes a year ago, but ...
[05:42] <hybrid> tolee: well slashdot and all proxies
[05:42] <tolle> hybrid: well, sshing to your homemachine and running a browser trough it would work then.
[05:43] <hybrid> ok thats what i thought
[05:43] <burner> hybrid, assuming you have an X server on the other end
[05:43] <hybrid> ty for verifying
[05:43] <burner> hybrid, check out Xlivecd :)
[05:43] <hybrid> burner: X server on my box? or the schools
[05:43] <x2comp> can someone tell me why Ubuntu is so slow on the internet? It takes forever to load a web page, and even longer to connect to an IRC server. What is going on?
[05:43] <nnonix> xeno: do you have any other computers that work correctly behind said device?
[05:43] <tolle> hybrid: schools.
[05:43] <hybrid> ok
[05:43] <burner> hybrid, the one you want to display your apps on
[05:44] <burner> the schools
[05:44] <burner> hence... get xlivecd :)
[05:44] <nickrud> x2comp, not sure what your problem is, but my connections are quick
[05:44] <nnonix> xeno, forget it ... I read up
[05:44] <burner> assuming they're windows
[05:44] <burner> if they're Mac, you're good anyway
[05:44] <hybrid> would putty work as well?
[05:44] <g3mini> Hiya folks
[05:44] <hybrid> they are redmond xp
[05:44] <x2comp> i have broadband, and am behind a router, could that be it?
[05:44] <burner> tolle, ever done this rb thing over smb?
[05:45] <tolle> hybrid: You need additional software to get it to work if you run windows on the "client2
[05:45] <nickrud> x2comp, being behind a router makes all things possible :)
[05:45] <tolle> burner nope. I do not have any windows machines.
[05:45] <g3mini> Wanted to say thanks to lathiat for the install help today
[05:45] <tolle> burner: So I only use nfs or ssh
[05:46] <CarlK> what package has the autogenstuff?
[05:46] <burner> tolle, well damn ;)  thanks for the help though... we'll see if I can get it going somehow
[05:46] <x2comp> yeah, it is the only option i have, i have multiple computers and tried a switch, but knew before i tried it that it wouldn't work
[05:46] <tolle> hybrid: If bandwidth isnt the problem. You could always run a webbased vncserver on the client.
[05:46] <nickrud> CarlK, build-essential
[05:46] <g3mini> Was setting up Ubuntu today and don't recall setting up a root password any advise?
[05:46] <CarlK> nickrud  I installed that, and get libtoolize not found
[05:46] <tolle> g3mini: Ubuntu doesnt use a root accound
[05:46] <hybrid> tolle: well i dont really want to be noticed. they may patch it if they notice
[05:46] <tolle> g3mini: account
[05:46] <nickrud> g3mini, use sudo, it's part of ubuntu's security model
[05:47] <tolle> g3mini: use sudo "thecommand
[05:47] <tritium> g3mini, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:47] <nxvl> hi i have just install php4 but i cant see mi .php pages
[05:47] <tolle> g3mini: without the " instead.. or sudo -s to become root
[05:47] <nxvl> what could i done wrong??
[05:47] <nickrud> CarlK, never had that problem, and I warrent it is over my head :)
[05:47] <tolle> g3mini: the password it asks for is the users password
[05:48] <g3mini> tolle: err that would explain it thanks
[05:48] <Amaranth> nxvl: You need libapache2-mod-php4 if you have Apache2 or libapache-mod-php4 if you have Apache1.
[05:48] <nxvl> Amaranth: thnx
[05:48] <hybrid> could i put xlivecd on a thumbdrive?
[05:49] <hybrid> wow demanding on memory
[05:50] <tolle> hybrid: You could aswell put a windows X server on the thumbnail?
[05:52] <nxvl> Amaranth: it still doesnt work
[05:52] <Amaranth> nxvl: Err
[05:52] <nxvl> mm
[05:53] <tolle> nxvl: Cant see them as in you just see the code, or cant access them?
[05:53] <pixil9> What's a good program to shrink & burn dvds (9 to 5)
[05:53] <nxvl> when i click on a link that goes to a .php page it ask me if i want to download it
[05:54] <pixil9> windows or linux
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> pixil9: dvdshrink
[05:54] <hybrid> windows dvdshrink and dvd xcopy
[05:54] <gmjr> pixil9, dvdshrink is the easiest and its free
[05:54] <tolle> nxvl: I cant remember if that problem occured when the filetype wasnt specified in mime.types or somewhere else...
[05:54] <pixil9> alright
[05:54] <hybrid> good luck with the xcopy
[05:55] <pixil9> It automatically strips copy protection?
[05:55] <gratuit> there is a free alternative
[05:55] <gmjr> dvdshrink does
[05:55] <pixil9> cool
[05:55] <pixil9> clonedvd is out the window
[05:55] <pixil9> fucks up my movies
[05:55] <gratuit> someone wrote a python scripte that uses transcoding to do the shrinking
[05:55] <gmjr> but I was reading that its no longer being developed so eventually it won't work anymore
[05:55] <gratuit> gmjr: dvdshrink is NOT free
[05:55] <pixil9> Well what can I use in windows
[05:56] <gratuit> gmjr: well not as in speech at least
[05:56] <pixil9> CloneDVD makes shitty dvds
[05:56] <gmjr> gratuit, uhm, well it's never costed me any money
[05:56] <CarlK> dvdshrink is free
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> DVD Shrink is free software. You should never pay for DVD Shrink.
[05:56] <nxvl> how could i see if im using apache 1 or 2
[05:56] <nxvl> :S
[05:56] <nxvl> i have install apache 1
[05:56] <nxvl> but there it is the apache2 directori
[05:56] <nxvl> directory
[05:56] <nxvl> i think php4 have install it
[05:56] <pixil9> nxvl: check synaptic?
[05:56] <gratuit> HrdwrBoB: then give me the source and let me redistribute it
[05:57] <CarlK> trying to compile jack - configure: error: Library requirements (alsa >= 1.0.0) not met -
[05:57] <gratuit> HrdwrBoB: you can't
[05:57] <gratuit> HrdwrBoB: because it isn't free software
[05:57] <gmjr> gratuit, free and open source or completely different
[05:57] <gmjr> or = are
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> gratuit: it's free.
[05:57] <pixil9> ok i'll try dvdshrink
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> it's not open source
[05:58] <Boney> Hi.  I've installed ubuntu on a system using the "custom" option at the lilo boot prompt.
[05:58] <pixil9> How do you burn it then?
[05:58] <gratuit> gmjr: we need two seperate words for free
[05:58] <gmjr> thats what I said
[05:58] <Boney> so I have no X and no desktop envronment.
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> gratuit: 'open source' is a perfectly good word
[05:58] <CarlK> no we dont - free=free, free != you get the source
[05:58] <gmjr> no, free.. costs no money can be downloaded with no banner adds and no time restraints..
[05:58] <Boney> I'm now trying to setup printers and cups says on it's interal webpage thingy:
[05:58] <Boney> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[05:58] <gratuit> if you speak of free software in a channel devoted to "free as in speech" software, you're gonna have misunderstanding, you should specify it's "free as in beer"
[05:59] <dazzed|away> y0y0y0
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> Boney: yes, you should use that
[05:59] <gmjr> opensource = something that is distrubited with its source and can be modifed and redistrubited
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> gratuit: you seem to be the only one who thinks that
[05:59] <tolle> hybrid: Have you found a solution to your problem?
[05:59] <Boney> how do I use that without a desktop environment.
[05:59] <Nalioth> damn its awful quiet in here
[05:59] <gmjr> dvdshrink is free, not opensource
[06:00] <gratuit> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[06:00] <gratuit> open source does not mean free, you can have something be open source and not have the right to modify and redistribute it
[06:00] <tolle> gmjr: free as in gratis or as in libre?
[06:00] <nickrud> simple solution, if needed: Free vs. free
[06:00] <gmjr> :P
[06:01] <gratuit> or libre vs. gratuit
[06:01] <nickrud> gratuit, better
[06:01] <Boney> HrdwrBoB: How do I use Menu Computer > System Configurationg > Printing.  I don't have X installed.  is there a console version etc?
[06:01] <nickrud> of course, you would like your name :)
[06:01] <gratuit> I have no idea why english doesn't differentiate between these two ideas (I'm a native english speaker)
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> Boney: you can modify /etc/cupsys/cupsys.conf by hand
[06:02] <Boney> HrdwrBoB: I've been doing that but still can't login.  I'm wondering is there somthing else stopping me?
[06:03] <tolle> gratuit: well, it does... just that exactly the word free is ambigous(however that is spelled)
[06:03] <nickrud> tolle, in english, but not other languages
[06:04] <gratuit> tolle: true, and unfortunately RMS chose that word when he started the whole damn thing....
[06:04] <gratuit> which, who knows, might have just been to cause just such arguments
[06:04] <nickrud> or maybe, fortuitously, since it makes us think harder
[06:05] <gratuit> or might have been some dumb oversight
[06:09] <nickrud> anyone here eat tofu by choice?
[06:10] <fightingfortofu> i do!
[06:10] <Nalioth> nickrud, serious qyuestion?
[06:10] <Janux> where does my log file save?
[06:10] <aasics> which one?
[06:10] <fightingfortofu> tofu rules.
[06:10] <aasics> for gAIM?
[06:10] <nickrud> Nah, just a greeting :)
[06:10] <fightingfortofu> yeah.
[06:10] <aasics> Janux: which log file?
[06:10] <Nalioth> nickrud, tofu?
[06:10] <nickrud> Janux, /var/log
[06:10] <gratuit> Janux: try /var/log
[06:10] <Janux> this x-chat
[06:10] <theturtle> nickrud you weren't flippant, thats exactly what i asked...albeit thats a huge directory, shouldn't be problem mirroring it.
[06:11] <fightingfortofu> so how do i get tv out to work in ubuntu with a 9600xt?
[06:11] <Janux> nickrud, I don't find it there....
[06:11] <Janux> nickrud, it's x-chat log file
[06:11] <nickrud> theturtle, if you are serious about mirroring, there's tools for that, ask on #debian
[06:12] <xon> I thought xchat logs were stored in a hidden directory /home/youruser/.xchat2
[06:12] <gratuit> Janux: tried .xchat2?
[06:12] <theturtle> ok
[06:12] <tolle> fightingfortofu: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23462.html
[06:12] <tolle> fightingfortofu: Might be something.
[06:12] <Janux> gratuit, o...found it, thanks a lot
[06:12] <fightingfortofu> thanks tolle
[06:12] <nickrud> theturtle, be respectful, & don't mention ubuntu right away :)
[06:13] <theturtle> lol
[06:14] <thechris> i need to change my resolution to something more then 640x480, what file does ubuntu use for this?
[06:15] <nickrud> thechris, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:15] <thechris> hmm, that didn't do it
[06:16] <thechris> nvidia loads, and the monitor is detected
[06:16] <aru> anyone have a dsl modem that works usb under ubuntu?
[06:16] <nickrud> thechris, that's where it's all done, the devils in the details
[06:16] <tolle> thechris: System, Preferences, Screen resolution.
[06:16] <dazzed> usb modems are tricky aru
[06:16] <thechris> only lists 640x480 or 32x240
[06:16] <tolle> thechris: If there are no higher resolutions there. You need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart your xserver
[06:16] <thechris> neither are listed in the xorg.conf
[06:17] <thechris> no, there are ONLY higher resolutions
[06:17] <fightingfortofu> how do i install mplayer?
[06:17] <tolle> thechris: And you want a lower resolution?
[06:17] <nickrud> thechris, what VertRefresh is in your xorg.conf?
[06:18] <gratuit> fightingfortofu: add universe or multiverse(i forget which one), and apt-get install mplayer-<insert architecture here>
[06:18] <aru> the modem appears to be working and ubuntu sees it, I just dont know how to set up the connection
[06:18] <Raskall> *sigh* copying 2.4 Gigs over 802.11b sure is slow..
[06:19] <fightingfortofu> gratuit, how do i add universe?
[06:19] <chx_> hi. Could not find matching colorspace -- no matter what -vo i use in #mplayer, I get this.  Impressive.
[06:20] <drcodedd2> what load ide-generic and what load ide-disk?
[06:20] <nickrud> loove windows
[06:20] <gratuit> ScrewWindows: but if it died, then what would you hate?
[06:20] <aru> yeah, the modem is listed in the device manager... how do I set up the connection?
[06:20] <drcodedd2> I want to know who load ide-tape between those modules?
[06:22] <eb0x> Whats the default terminal for ubuntu?
[06:22] <yfir> gnome-terminal
[06:22] <dazzed> gnome term
[06:23] <tolle> eb0x: Gnome-Terminal
[06:23] <Janux> hi, I see my USB wireless adapter in Device Manager, I plugged it in without rebooting, when I do lspci, it doesn't show that though.  And when I try to ifup wlan0, it doesn't have it.  What should I do?
[06:23] <eb0x> Ty yfir, dazzed, tolle
[06:23] <ScrewWindows> I wouldn't hate anything
[06:23] <aru> there doesnt appear to be anywhere under network settings to setup the connection
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> Windows just lost my Word files
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> ALL OF THEM
[06:24] <farhan> your not serious?
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I had up from two days ago thank god
[06:24] <nickrud> ScrewWindows, ahh, we do understand anger
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> but my word files are gone
[06:24] <yfir> ScrewWindows: maybe you should change your name to ScrewNotBackingUpMyData
[06:24] <|QuaD-> ScrewWindows: doesn't that tell you something (you shouldn't use windows)?
[06:24] <farhan> oo
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> the latest versions that is
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I dont
[06:24] <eb0x> How do I recompile my kernel?
[06:24] <farhan> yah my fav windows has to be 2k
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I am using bloody hoary right now
[06:24] <eb0x> I'm using a 386 kernel on a 686 box
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I just dropped windows
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> its worthless
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> and needs to die
[06:25] <nickrud> eb0x, just apt-get install kernel-image***-686
[06:25] <Raskall> ScrewWindows: ubuntu is the right choice.
[06:25] <gratuit> eb0x: well then you should upgrade
[06:25] <eb0x> nickrud: What do I fill the *** with lol
[06:25] <drcodedd2> in alias I see: alias block-major-37 ide-tape
[06:26] <AvvY> would anyone be able to help me enable 3d acceleration with my ati 9800+ pro? i have installed the xlfg drivers, and tried to follow the guide over at the ubuntu forums, but still have problems.
[06:26] <eb0x> gratuit: I don't know how to upgrade :(
[06:26] <drcodedd2> dose this eq. to modprobe ide-tape?
[06:26] <farhan> i can't use ubuntu
[06:26] <farhan> \
[06:26] <aru> so lets see if I have this right, it will detect my modem, but its not useable?
[06:26] <tolle> farhan: What's the cause?
[06:27] <farhan> no speakup support
[06:27] <ScrewWindows> its nice
[06:27] <farhan> i'm currently using fedora right now until ubuntu gets speakup support
[06:27] <ScrewWindows> and it runs Doom 3 better than Xp
[06:27] <ScrewWindows> surprisingly enough
[06:27] <gratuit> eb0x: apt-cache search linux-image |grep 686 to find out the name of the package you need to install, then apt-get install <package name> to install it
[06:27] <tolle> farhan: You lost me there, speakup?
[06:28] <nickrud> and loves the bailout
[06:28] <farhan> oh and yes, i miss apt-get but debian didn't have my sound crap in k 2.4
[06:28] <aru> hmm, odd
[06:28] <farhan> its in the wiki
[06:28] <ScrewWindows> brb
[06:28] <eb0x> gratuit: linux-image-686
[06:28] <sig> AvvY: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s971652/znote4200.html  <-- this guy walks through the ati card I think
[06:29] <gratuit> nickrud: btw, apprently ubuntu calls their kernel packages linux-image as opposed to kernel-image
[06:29] <bleezy_> Can someone help me .. I cant seem to apt-get install gift
[06:29] <sig> AvvY: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s971652/znote4200.html#ati_radeon
[06:29] <nickrud> gratuit, old habits will not die :)
[06:29] <sig> this should gbet you through it
[06:29] <aru> so where would I set up a new network connection?
[06:29] <goldfish> bleezy_: Have u added the extra repositories?
[06:29] <Cine> is there a way to have certain applications run on startup?
[06:29] <Cine> like GAIM?
[06:29] <tolle> gratuit: Well, if other kernels would be offered later on, calling them linux-image is smarter
[06:29] <AvvY> sig: thanx, ill have a look
[06:29] <gratuit> nickrud: understood completely :)
[06:29] <goldfish> Cine: Are you running gnome?
[06:29] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, who would like to suggest a good dvd playback app with decent 5.1ch support. I have been using xine.
[06:29] <Cine> yup
[06:29] <Cine> gnome
[06:30] <goldfish> Cine: System > Sessions or soemthing similar, you can specify programs to run on startup
[06:30] <gratuit> tolle: true
[06:30] <farhan> or you can do it gayly and check the save my settings box
[06:30] <farhan> yes, so basicly ubuntu doesn't have a takling install. no talking install no ubuntu
[06:31] <farhan> talking
[06:31] <bleezy_> Can someone help me .. I cant seem to apt-get install gift
[06:31] <Cine> ah, awesome, thanks
[06:32] <farhan> tolle:  any other questions?
[06:32] <aru> i assumed it would be under networking
[06:32] <Amaranth> bleezy_: What's the error?
[06:32] <tolle> farhan: No... I just wondered what kind of speakup you ment. And noticed that it was the part for accessibility.
[06:33] <farhan> yep
[06:33] <bleezy_> Amaranth, E: Couldn't find package gift
[06:33] <Amaranth> bleezy_: You have universe enabled?
[06:33] <AvvY> sig: yeah, i had done all that before. but i still get this error: You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! : - there is more if u want to see it
[06:33] <tolle> farhan: Realy a major disadvantage to not support it.
[06:33] <bleezy_> let me check
[06:33] <farhan> completely blind, as soon as you guys add a ....something to your installer so i can type text speakup_synth=txprt or other values, i'm switchin
[06:34] <aru> maybe it works during install
[06:34] <AvvY> sig: i should add thats the error i get when loading Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
[06:34] <aru> like reinstall with the modem plugged in and it should set up the connection...
[06:34] <bleezy_> Amaranth, its in synaptic correct ?
[06:34] <Amaranth> bleezy_: It could be.
[06:34] <bleezy_> lol :(
[06:35] <farhan> even fedora isn't doing it the only distro that actually has speakup in its isos is slackware
[06:35] <nickrud> I knew there was a reason slackware existed
[06:35] <farhan> lol whats that reason?
[06:35] <nickrud> farhan, you
[06:35] <Amaranth> farhan: Err, you can use apt-get
[06:36] <nickrud> if it works
[06:36] <bleezy_> Amaranth, there isnt anything in universe to enable
[06:36] <Amaranth> bleezy_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:36] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:37] <drcodedd2> I see all the time module that load in kernel call ide-tape
[06:37] <drcodedd2> I want to remove it , where I can do it?
[06:37] <farhan> this might be a dumb question but is all linux no matter how you set the timezone militarry time?
[06:37] <aru> lets try a reinstall
[06:37] <nickrud> farhan, may I suggest you got to #ubuntu-devel, and work with them to make the install accessible?
[06:38] <farhan> hmmmm
[06:38] <farhan> i'm not really a person that works on speakup, i just wana use ubuntu
[06:38] <eb0x> Anyone want to help me recompile my kernel?
[06:38] <farhan> lol
[06:39] <bleezy_> lol
[06:39] <farhan> ok. i'm out, tired
[06:39] <bleezy_> me me please pick me
[06:40] <drcodedd2> how I use depmod
[06:40] <nickrud> damn, I don't think I said that right :(
[06:40] <|QuaD-> drcodedd2: man depmod
[06:40] <drcodedd2> I want to remove ide-tape from kernel module
[06:40] <drcodedd2> I look at depmod man
[06:40] <drcodedd2> I saw that it do some file call .map
[06:40] <eb0x> How do I recompile my kernel?
[06:41] <drcodedd2> but I want first to remove the ide-tape then use depmod
[06:41] <nickrud> eb0x, apt-get install kernel-package, man make-kpkg
[06:41] <drcodedd2> I mean from what main file it read?
[06:41] <aru> its amazing no one else thought of using a usb modem on linux
[06:41] <Amaranth> aru: USB modems suck, why would programmers want them? :)
[06:41] <Amaranth> aru: It doesn't suprise me.
[06:42] <drcodedd2> quad:It read from some file and then do .map ?
[06:42] <Amaranth> And most USB modems do cat5 too.
[06:42] <aru> yeah this one does also
[06:42] <Cine> which packages do I need to install to get Flash working in mozilla?
[06:43] <Amaranth> Those high speeds people show off for USB are _burst_ speeds, they are usually working a low slower.
[06:43] <aru> i just dont get why it shows up and is recognized if I cant use it
[06:43] <Amaranth> Like CD-ROM speeds, 52x means 52x max.
[06:43] <tolle> Cine: I use flashplugin-nonfree
[06:43] <Cine> I'll try that one...
[06:43] <nickrud> Cine, if you have multiverse enabled, flashplugin-nonfree
[06:44] <Cine> do I need to log-out/log-in to get it to work?
[06:44] <Cine> or should it just work right away?
[06:44] <aru> but like I said, maybe reinstalling with the modem plugged in will work
[06:44] <nickrud> Cine, no
[06:44] <tolle> Cine: should work right away.
[06:44] <Cine> okie... thanks
[06:45] <drcodedd2> from what file depmod take the modules?
[06:46] <nickrud> drcodedd2, I'll take a stab at that; I don't think depmod takes info from a file, it actually traverses the modules and creates the dependencies
[06:47] <nickrud> I hope to be corrected if wrong, I may be over my head
[06:47] <drcodedd2> so If I want to remove ide-tape
[06:47] <Raskall> agh.. I give up. burning the data on a dvd instead of copying it over 802.11b. So extremely slow. Hardly faster than my internet link.
[06:47] <bleezy_> Amaranth, where does it install it to ?? -gift
[06:47] <drcodedd2> it load all the time from kernel: I need to delete the .ko file?
[06:48] <Amaranth> bleezy_: You need a program that uses gift. apollon is the best and is for KDE, giFToxic is almost as good and is for GNOME
[06:48] <nickrud> drcodedd2, I'm sorry, I've been away, remove ide-tape from what?
[06:48] <bleezy_> ty again
[06:48] <drcodedd2> from loading all the time in the kernel
[06:49] <nickrud> ah, is it in /etc/modules?
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I have some tape device that I dont need ide-tape
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I need ide-scsi
[06:49] <drcodedd2> it dosnt there
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I checl
[06:49] <drcodedd2> check
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I saw ide-tape.ko file
[06:49] <drcodedd2> If I will delete it or rename and then do depmod , it will remove it?
[06:50] <nickrud> drcodedd2, ok, I can help, but this is a drastic fix, until you disable it ide-tape will *never* get loaded
[06:50] <drcodedd2> the file  is here: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/ide
[06:50] <drcodedd2> I dont want it to be loaded
[06:50] <drcodedd2> I need ide-scsi to load
[06:50] <drcodedd2> it prevent from my tape to work
[06:51] <drcodedd2> my tape is di-30 it use ide-scsi and osst
[06:51] <drcodedd2> for some resone I dont know if it kernel problem or not it dosnt work at all
[06:51] <fightingfortofu> how do you start fglrxcontrol?
[06:51] <drcodedd2> I did use rmmod ide-tape and so , but without any luck
[06:51] <drcodedd2> is old kerenel - slackware dist, the same computer it worked
[06:52] <nickrud> drcodedd2, create a file 'do-not-load-ide-tape', put one line in it:ide-tape, and drop it in /etc/hotlist/blacklist.d
[06:52] <drcodedd2> After I install ubuntu v5.04 it stop working
[06:52] <drcodedd2> wow nice
[06:52] <bleezy_> Amaranth,  it says specify a host and port .. but where do i type it >>?
[06:52] <Amaranth> err
[06:52] <bleezy_> sorry
[06:52] <bleezy_> k
[06:53] <drcodedd2> there is no /etc/hotlist
[06:53] <nickrud> drcodedd2, yeah, I meant hotplug :)
[06:53] <drcodedd2> and there is no blacklist.d
[06:53] <drcodedd2> to open such dir?
[06:54] <nickrud> drcodedd2, /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d exists on my ubuntu
[06:54] <drcodedd2> not it v5.04
[06:54] <drcodedd2> that what I have
[06:54] <sagara> can anybody help me... I cant run my simple Cshell script eventhough im running Cschell and the file has executable rights for all
[06:55] <drcodedd2> n.m I create it
[06:55] <drcodedd2> I will now try to reboot
[06:55] <drcodedd2> I will be back after reboot
[06:55] <nickrud> drcodedd2, it's there: ajax: ~ $ l /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/
[06:55] <nickrud> alsa-base  libsane
[06:55] <drcodedd2> bye
[06:55] <drcodedd2> k
[06:55] <drcodedd2> sorry
[06:55] <drcodedd2> now I saw it
[06:56] <nickrud> k
[06:56] <nickrud> np :)
[06:56] <drcodedd2> thanx
[06:56] <drcodedd2> I will reboot and check it out
[06:56] <drcodedd2> bye
[06:57] <sagara> anybody there?
[06:58] <imaek> no
[06:58] <imaek> I'm here though.
[06:58] <imaek> I don't like there.
[06:58] <sagara> hahaha, do u know about Cshell?
[06:58] <imaek> I don't.
[06:59] <sagara> ok, thanks!
[06:59] <thr1ce> alright...I GUESS i'll hold off on breezy for a few weeks... :)
[06:59] <imaek> :(
[06:59] <nickrud> thr1ce, you got a clue, eh?
[06:59] <thr1ce> nickrud, i'm tempted though
[07:00] <thr1ce> nickrud, is it really that bad?
[07:00] <nickrud> thr1ce, I have a spare partition, how bout you :)
[07:00] <nickrud> thr1ce, it could be, so if you need to get work done, don't make it your default system.
[07:01] <thr1ce> nickrud, well..."could be" means a few things; in theory, any pre-release "could be"
[07:01] <thr1ce> nickrud, is it as stable now as it will be until release?
[07:02] <_Trintity_> is it posible for a module built from source and installed, to virtually disappear?  modprobe prism2_usb doesn't find anything any more
[07:02] <nickrud> thr1ce, if I could get into james troup's mind, I might have an answer.
[07:02] <tolle> thr1ce: Since Hoary has just been released, I guess breezy badger would be almost exactly like Debian Sid or so.
[07:02] <thr1ce> nickrud, well, I guess it is hard to say, seeing as how ubuntu is still so young
[07:03] <mitrick> back all
[07:03] <mitrick> im on kubuntu finally with X
[07:03] <mitrick> i started k3b but i got no cdrdao
[07:03] <nickrud> thr1ce, ubuntu may be young as a company, but it's roots run deep. I'm hoping that a fresh bloom will be viable.
[07:03] <mitrick> and there is missing lot of apps
[07:04] <Raskall> is it me or does the kubuntu-desktop seem very unfinished compared to the gnome ubuntu-desktop?
[07:04] <mitrick> Raskall, what do u mean by unfinished?
[07:04] <mitrick> im running it now and seems good
[07:04] <_Trintity_> can't  say I haven't used kde since debian sarge
[07:05] <_Trintity_> and that looked pretty professional
[07:05] <maggno> hi hi
[07:05] <thr1ce> nickrud, true
[07:05] <maggno> i from chile
[07:05] <thr1ce> is breezy being synced with debian-sid?
[07:05] <thr1ce> kde 3.4 is very nice
[07:05] <tolle> mitrick: however, you said you lacked some applications. And that might bewhat he ment.
[07:05] <mitrick> yea
[07:05] <Raskall> mitrick: a lot of ubuntu things are missing from the kde setup, I think. I haven't used it much because it bugs me that I cant find the things I have gotten used to in gnome.
[07:05] <mitrick> thr1ce, where u a slack user?
[07:05] <thr1ce> mitrick, yes, I was for awhile
[07:06] <nickrud> thr1ce, you need to subscribe to breezy changes mailling list. I've had thousands of emails showing changes to breezy.
[07:06] <mitrick> ah thats why i knew u from ##slackware
[07:06] <thr1ce> nickrud, i wish they were documented somewhere
[07:06] <mitrick> i used to hang there a lot
[07:06] <thr1ce> i'd rather not get thousands of emails... :)
[07:06] <mark_> hey, anyone know of a good linux bittorrent client?
[07:06] <thr1ce> mitrick, oh?  are you a slack user ?
[07:06] <thr1ce> yes, bittorrent
[07:06] <thr1ce> lol
[07:06] <nickrud> thr1ce, they are, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/breezy-changes
[07:06] <discord> I wrote a howto to install the wlan-ng driver for hoary
[07:06] <yfir> mark_: bittornado
[07:07] <discord> if anyone is interested its here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[07:07] <mitrick> how can i install cdrdao here ?
[07:07] <_Trintity_> discord whre is this how to?
[07:07] <thr1ce> nickrud, that looks empty
[07:07] <mark_> yfir: I don't really like bittorrando
[07:07] <Raskall> mitrick: but it might just be that I don't like kde anymore since I switched to gnome.
[07:07] <maggno> hola donde puedo conseguir los plugins para el reproductor de audio de ubuntu???
[07:07] <mitrick> i tried sudo apt-get install cdrdao but there is none
[07:07] <pizzathief_> is matt oquist about?
[07:08] <kuntu> whats a TOS violation ?
[07:08] <NigelS> mark_: azureus? that's pretty nice
[07:08] <thr1ce> why not just use bittorrent?
[07:08] <thr1ce> and I think gnome even has one built in
[07:08] <NigelS> yeah, the gnome one is like a lot of gnome apps, rather feature-light
[07:08] <tolle> mark_: Are you using GNOME as your desktop environment?
[07:09] <tolle> mark_: If you are, freeloader is a rather nice bittorrent client.
[07:09] <stevenj> I installed msttcorefonts, (+tohoma)-my question is what font settings do I use in Firebird in to read my mail.....? any suggestions on the fonts settings?
[07:09] <mark_> tolle: That's what I use currently
[07:09] <mark_> tolle: looking for one with more features
[07:09] <nickrud> thr1ce, that's where you subscribe to the list that has the changes. since I subscribed on 4/12, I've had 3569 changes recorded
[07:09] <tjs> are there any/any planned experimental packages of the luminocity stuff for gnome?
[07:10] <mark_> wait, i'll just get azureus
[07:10] <Cine> ok, what package do I need to install for the mozilla java plugin?
[07:10] <_Trintity_> discord: thanks, I had installed it and am having some problems, although it used to work
[07:10] <thr1ce> nickrud, wow...so, in the event something goes bad, I can always change my repositories back to hoary, and it will downgrade?  how does that work
[07:11] <Cine> I tried searching for java in the PM but I get tons...
[07:11] <nickrud> thr1ce, no dice. keep hoary as your working system, and if you want breezy, make it an experimental partition.
[07:11] <mark_> Cine: Ubuntuguide has it
[07:11] <nickrud> downgrading has always been an undefined function in debian
[07:11] <thr1ce> nickrud, well, it's a desktop PC, used for nothing work-related; so, I guess it can be turned into one...hehe; we'll see
[07:11] <thr1ce> i'm leaning towards breezy....
[07:12] <syn-ack> Hey everyone.
[07:12] <NigelS> well, be prepared for much breakage in the early days, plus you'll prob need to use dpkg to correct various errors/problems that crop up
[07:12] <br33zy> hiya, friend is tyring to install xine in apt-get, his sources.list isf ine, but he gets that "no candidate" thing
[07:12] <NigelS> last I looked for example, evolution wasn't installable on breezy due to a problem with libcamel
[07:13] <maggno> ok
[07:13] <maggno> thanks
[07:13] <maggno> for alls
[07:13] <nickrud> thr1ce, learn aptitude, it will give you fine grained control of your system.
[07:13] <thr1ce> man...is it REALLY that bad?  I've run slackware-current for years (also a pre-release) without any problem
[07:13] <nickrud> If you want to run a cutting edge machine, it is the tool
[07:13] <Cine> mark, are you talking about the online help?  the little life presever button?
[07:13] <br33zy> NEVEMRIND
[07:13] <br33zy> sorry 'bout the caps
[07:13] <br33zy> thanks all
[07:14] <br33zy> erm, nevermind that nevermind
[07:14] <br33zy> problem still exists
[07:14] <tolle> br33zy: xine-ui
[07:14] <thr1ce> nickrud, well, lets say I want the latest gaim
[07:14] <tolle> br33zy: however, i prefer to use totem-xine
[07:14] <thr1ce> or the latest gnome
[07:14] <tolle> br33zy: makes totem use the xine backend
[07:14] <nickrud> k
[07:14] <mark_> Cine: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:15] <br33zy> alright, thanks tolle will try
[07:15] <thr1ce> nickrud, compiling gnome is near impossible to do...
[07:15] <thr1ce> (for the lazy)
[07:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, I've done it several times :)
[07:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, jhbuild is your friend
[07:15] <NigelS> garnome etc, makes compiling it rather easy
[07:15] <thr1ce> nickrud, ok; but, if I want the latest gaim, breezy seems to be the easiest
[07:16] <NigelS> there's no especially good reason to use breezy right now, wait a month or 2 and maybe more useful stuff will be upgraded
[07:16] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't want the latest gaim, I want the latest known working gaim
[07:16] <thr1ce> 1.2.1 works wonderful for gaim
[07:16] <NigelS> if you want to latest gaim, just grab the debs for that, no need to potentially break lots of stuff with a dist-upgrade
[07:16] <tolle> thr1ce: You could always just download that specific deb.
[07:16] <thr1ce> just because hoary froze before it's release does NOT make it not stable
[07:17] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't use gaim, but the 'lastest known working' was the point
[07:17] <NigelS> does not make it not stable? ?:P
[07:17] <yfir> thr1ce: if you really need the lateset gaim, why not just download the deb and install it with dpkg rather than switch your entire system over to a pre-release testing version?
[07:17] <thr1ce> well, it's not gaim specifically
[07:17] <thr1ce> i'm just curious...is the pre-release really that unstable...?
[07:17] <tolle> thr1ce: works for most other applications as well.
[07:18] <tolle> thr1ce: Could be
[07:18] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, does anyone know how to enable a 5.1channel speaker configuration in xine?
[07:18] <vessuvius81> does anyone know how to install themes on gkrellm?
[07:18] <NigelS> it's not about software stability per se, though that is partially an issue. It;s more about dependency breakage
[07:18] <kuntu> can i use debian stuff in ubuntu ?
[07:18] <NigelS> the old tags of debian/unstable, testing etc were always something of a misnomer
[07:18] <tolle> kuntu: Most of the time.
[07:19] <yfir> vessuvius81: i think you just put them in ~/.gkrellm2/themes/
[07:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, if you don't depend on your machine for your income, knock yourself out, that's what I use extra partitions for :)
[07:19] <thr1ce> well, I know about the possibility of unstability; I've ran a slackware -current machine for years without ANY problem, and I'm just finding it hard now to believe that this is terrible
[07:19] <odyssey> are there backports from breezy for hoary?
[07:20] <yfir> thr1ce: stop talking about it and just do it. you've heard the advice of others here, now make a choice and live with it
[07:20] <NigelS> thr1ce: as I say, it's not about stability, it's about potentially finding things break on a bad library upgrade after a dist-upgrade one day.  Slackware is not a repository based distro.
[07:20] <thr1ce> but, things are fixed as they are broken, right?  I mean, when evolution breaks, and the fixed packs come in, my system will fix itself right ?
[07:20] <tolle> thr1ce: Its probably not a minefield or anything like that. Just that you should be aware that things will brake.
[07:20] <kuntu> slackware droped gnome
[07:20] <nickrud> MyNameIsChris, the most likely solution I've heard is to run alsamixer, it gives access to the extra channels
[07:20] <MyNameIsChris> nickrud, cheers
[07:20] <thr1ce> bah...ok, i'm in :)
[07:20] <Cine> mark... that didn't work... although mozilla doesn't crash when I try to run java stuff so its a step in the right direction... :)
[07:20] <syn-ack> Breezy seems to be coming along real nice. Love the bug hunting in the new stuff. :)
[07:21] <nickrud> thr1ce, if you can keep slack stable, I take everything I said back :)
[07:21] <thr1ce> haha
[07:21] <mark_> Cine: alright, then I have no idea because that's what I'm doing at this moment
[07:21] <thr1ce> yes, this non compiling everything stuff is making me nervous!
[07:21] <syn-ack> Slack is Evil.
[07:21] <Cine> oh waith... there it goes...
[07:22] <tolle> thr1ce: apt-get -b source package
[07:22] <Cine> had to restart mozilla... duh
[07:22] <mark_> SLack is Slack
[07:22] <thr1ce> i've never had a problem with slack
[07:22] <tolle> thr1ce: builds them if that calms you down.
[07:22] <thr1ce> really?  neat
[07:22] <thr1ce> one command to compile a deb from source?
[07:22] <tolle> Yeah
[07:22] <mark_> wow, you can download fast Cine
[07:22] <thr1ce> sudo apt-get -b gaim.tar.gz gaim.deb ?
[07:22] <Cine> cable is the bomb... :)
[07:22] <tolle> No not at all
[07:23] <tolle> only works for debs that has deb sourcefiles
[07:23] <mark_> dialup owns cable anyday
[07:23] <kuntu>  lol
[07:23] <tolle> for making your own debfiles there are a few steps to do
[07:23] <tolle> but if the package, like mplayer has a debian folder in them. dpkg-buildpackage builds it.
[07:23] <br33zy> worked tolle thanks
[07:23] <br33zy> later
[07:23] <tolle> unless my memory fails me
[07:23] <thr1ce> ooh, ok
[07:24] <thr1ce> ok....here goes the first dist-upgrade
[07:24] <tolle> thr1ce: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[07:25] <thr1ce> probably won't see anyone til after a re-install
[07:25] <thr1ce> :)
[07:25] <Cine> dial up makes me want to kill myself...
[07:25] <tolle> thr1ce: shows how to make your own deb files from pure tarball source
[07:25] <Cine> especially after I've gotten so use to broadband
[07:25] <Cine> I d/l ubuntu in under 2hrs
[07:25] <Akria> what are you talking about, i'm chatting and downloading 3 things
[07:25] <Akria> thats mega speed at 2.5 kb for one and .8 for the other
[07:26] <tolle> Cine: I got a 10MB connection with the ubuntu/debian and gnome mirrors on the same ISP/Net. So you get kinda spoiled rather fast.
[07:26] <tolle> well, swedish ubuntu/debian mirror...
[07:26] <Cine> lol, I bet
[07:26] <thr1ce> ok...neat
[07:26] <thr1ce> bbiab
[07:26] <Cine> well now I can play chess again...
[07:27] <Cine> I've about got my ubuntu harddrive to do everything I could do with my windows HD
[07:27] <Cine> took a couple days, but I got there...
[07:27] <nickrud> Cine, emal works well for chess :)
[07:27] <Akria> yaa four hours till i can install azureus
[07:27] <Cine> nick, i'm too impatient for correspondance... I like to get beat fast
[07:27] <nickrud> lol
[07:28] <NigelS> Akria: with that kind of bandwidth..what's the point? :)
[07:28] <Cine> another quick question... are there any good P2P applications for linux?
[07:28] <Cine> beyond bittorrent?
[07:28] <nickrud> gtk-gnutella, and mldonkey if you configure it right
[07:29] <Akria> NigelS: It's faster than that... usually 16 megs takes 1.5 hours
[07:29] <Akria> so about 2 hours
[07:29] <Akria> unlimited dialup on a seperate line makes large files not that hard to download
[07:29] <Cine> perfect... now I don't need my windows anymore!  hurray!
[07:30] <muk_amd64> Cine, grats!
[07:30] <NigelS> I guess.  At least with bittorrent on dialup you should have no trouble maxing out your bandwidth :)
[07:30] <Akria> *golfclap*
[07:30] <Cine> thanks muk... I'm pretty excited...
[07:30] <Cine> gettin' really tired of all the spyware and crap...
[07:31] <muk_amd64> fo shizzle
[07:31] <muk_amd64> I still play WoW on here anyways, so no need for windows period
[07:31] <syn-ack> HAHAH
[07:31] <Cine> I'll have to boot windows one more time to get all my files off, then its off to reformat heaven for the microsoft demon...
[07:31] <Akria> Yeah, bittorrent is great... like I can update linux, while downloading on bittorrent... It seems to vary it's speed to use up extra bandwidth
[07:32] <Akria> I never got spyware on windows
[07:32] <muk_amd64> Cine, just access the files from linux and copy them over
[07:32] <Akria> WoW blows :)
[07:32] <muk_amd64> lol, says you
[07:32] <muk_amd64> I just spent like 2 hours playing AA, hehe
[07:32] <Cine> oh yeah... guess I could do that...
[07:32] <Akria> jk
[07:32] <Akria> I tell my friends that...
[07:32] <Cine> have to plug in the harddrive though... :)
[07:32] <Akria> damn additcts
[07:33] <Cine> I unplugged it so I didn't reformat it on accident during the ubuntu install
[07:33] <Akria> sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs
[07:33] <Akria> and something esle
[07:33] <Akria> No, seriously my friends play too much...
[07:33] <Nula> sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs *destination directory*
[07:34] <Akria> Like live for the game
[07:34] <Akria> sry, forgot that :(
[07:34] <Cine> I have a friend I practically don't talk to anymore cuz he's always playing WoW
[07:34] <dr_willis> Ive gotten sort of tired of World of Warcraft.
[07:34] <Cine> well its unplugged, so mounting it isn't gonna do me much good... :)
[07:34] <kuntu> whats wow ?
[07:34] <dr_willis> It just seems its  the same thing over and over. :()  its well done.. but still gets repetitive.
[07:34] <Cine> world of warcraft
[07:34] <kuntu> talking is over rated
[07:34] <Akria> good point
[07:35] <bleezy_> why is gift so hard to setup ???
[07:35] <dr_willis> Guild Wars comes out the 28th. :P
[07:35] <bleezy_> arggg
[07:35] <yfir> bleezy_: purely for irony
[07:35] <NigelS> A lot of mmorpgs are basically 3D IRC clients in the end. :)
[07:35] <Cine> as soon as WoW is free to play I might get into it... I just can't justify paying money every month to play a game
[07:35] <Akria> i may try that
[07:36] <NigelS> I got pretty bored of WoW pretty quickly.  I think the lack of a proper pvp system to begin with ensured that.
[07:36] <NigelS> guild wars I'll take a look at
[07:36] <dr_willis> Cine,  of all them out  however. its one of the easiest to get into and learn and fun to play. :P City of Heros is great fun also.
[07:36] <Akria> so in a way i'm playing a mmorpg
[07:36] <nickrud> ok, anyone got ubuntu problems, I thought that's why we were here :)
[07:36] <NigelS> some guy has posted some screens of GW in cedega, so...maybe it can be played in linux.
[07:36] <dr_willis> I dont think there is any proper 'PvP' :P Guild wars seems to do it the best way however.
[07:36] <kuntu> i hate a game you have to get online to play
[07:36] <Akria> haha, honors system
[07:36] <dr_willis> I have played WoW with Cedega - it worked. :P be sure to use the opengl mode.
[07:36] <bleezy_> how do i ping :\
[07:36] <Akria> WoW can be played in linux
[07:36] <NigelS> we should def mount a vote on transgaming.com after it's released.  We've missed this round of voting, so have to wait till next month,
[07:37] <bleezy_> ping: www.yahoo.com
[07:37] <bleezy_> ?
[07:37] <Akria> I hated HL2 for that reason... Internet connection required
[07:37] <dr_willis> Heard that GuildWars under Cedega had issues.. but that was wth the Beta.
[07:37] <kuntu> dont you mean CS ?
[07:37] <yfir> bleezy_: man ping
[07:37] <kuntu> i think HL is sp
[07:37] <bleezy_> i hate reading :(
[07:38] <NigelS> yeah, I know WoW can be played in linux, I'm referring to GW.  I imagine it won't work very well...but afaik no work has been done on it yet by transgaming.
[07:38] <yfir> bleezy_: ok well, ask your question again, maybe somebody will phone you with an answer
[07:38] <bleezy_> lol
[07:38] <yfir> i'm still playing nethack, haven't tried Wow yet
[07:38] <bleezy_> i man ping now i cant get out says end esc
[07:39] <bleezy_> cntrl c dont work
[07:39] <Akria> haha, big jump in a game
[07:39] <NigelS> hmmmm.
[07:39] <mitrick> where is the root konsole in ubuntu?
[07:40] <NigelS> bleezy_: really, ping is not the hardest thing to use in the world. "ping yahoo.com" will suffice.
[07:40] <mitrick> cuz i need to to recompile alsa to make my audigy 2 value to work
[07:40] <bleezy_> i know'
[07:40] <bleezy_> cant get outa man
[07:40] <nickrud> mitrick, bad question, any terminal can be a root terminal. What are you after?
[07:40] <NigelS> press 'q'
[07:40] <yfir> bleezy_: just type 'q'
[07:40] <bleezy_> lol
[07:40] <bleezy_> kool
[07:40] <Akria> The one thing I hate on linux is sound...
[07:40] <mitrick> i want to recompile alsa
[07:40] <NigelS> O.o
[07:40] <mitrick> for making work my sound card
[07:40] <nickrud> mitrick, sorry, try sudo -i
[07:41] <yfir> Akria: i agree, sound is more difficult than it has to be
[07:41] <mitrick> its not even supported as i can see
[07:41] <abarbaccia> anybody know if they are working on finding a solution to linux sound issues.  because a volume control on my screen is worthless if it doesnt do anything
[07:41] <NigelS> or go to system tools --> root console
[07:41] <bleezy_> guess network dont work when it says host not found
[07:41] <mitrick> in slack it has the exact same alsa 1.0.8 and works like a charm. ubuntu is same but no sound
[07:41] <Akria> yeah, like it goes through esd... the oss... then alsa (correct me if im wrong)
[07:41] <NigelS> abarbaccia: without specifics that question doesn't mean much.
[07:42] <mitrick> none works
[07:42] <mitrick> i dont even see my sound card in alsamixer
[07:42] <bleezy_> or unreachabke
[07:42] <abarbaccia> im saying right now that the sound is not unified - you don't have a "master volume" that you can control and then apps get amplified by that...like in M$ how you have volume control that actually does something
[07:43] <NigelS> I don't like what they did with alsa/modprobe for ubuntu.  They stripped out alsaconf for example.  So it's a case of praying that the default script and udev will work... :)
[07:43] <Akria> hmm, how come gaim seems to dissappear all the time
[07:43] <abarbaccia> i can mute my volume in my volume control, but amarok and xine and the rest will all go ahead and play at THEIR volumes
[07:43] <nickrud> abarbaccia, there's PCM and MASTER, you must set each app to control the same volume control.  I don't get that.
[07:43] <yfir> abarbaccia: that shouldn't happen
[07:43] <abarbaccia> like right now im playing back music in amarok, but the volume control doesn't do anything
[07:44] <abarbaccia> on my desktop
[07:44] <mitrick> i think ill just recompile alsa
[07:44] <abarbaccia> the volume control in amarok does tho
[07:44] <mitrick> will be easier to make sound work back again
[07:44] <NigelS> mitrick: have you searched the wiki for your card?
[07:44] <mitrick> yea
[07:44] <mitrick> it is supported with alsa 1.0.8
[07:44] <NigelS> is it a nasty card with annoying software only components? :)
[07:44] <mitrick> it has always worked with any other linux except ubuntu
[07:45] <NigelS> the card being?
[07:45] <mitrick> no i got an audigy 2 value
[07:45] <nickrud> For example, my keyboard is keyed to change master, but the volume control on the panel is pcm. makes it a b***h
[07:45] <Akria> well im going to bed
[07:46] <Akria> these downloads are going to take centuries
[07:47] <mitrick> i wonder how will work my other sound card
[07:47] <mitrick> i got an sound blaster live 5.1 here
[07:49] <tolle> Hehe, the release of Hoary sure made some inpact on the computerclubs bandwidth..
[07:49] <tolle> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/img/SixMonths.700.png
[07:49] <tolle> the peak in april is from when it was released..
[07:50] <pablo928> i finally made the break: reformatted hda1 (ntfs) to ext3
[07:50] <nickrud> pablo928, welcome to the free :)
[07:50] <seeker_> how can I see the list of opened ports, and how can I open or close a specific port?
[07:51] <nickrud> seeker_, netstat -tl will tell you what's listening
[07:52] <pablo928> nickrud, only one problem-i now have a 80GB hd that I mounted but can't figure how to write to.
[07:53] <nickrud> pablo928, you need to mount it somewhere on the filesystem :)
[07:53] <seeker_> nickrud: the address are name based not numerical (and there are not enough of them! port 80 is not there and neither is 21 etc.)
[07:53] <nickrud> so where is it?
[07:53] <nickrud> seeker_, netstat -tln
[07:54] <NigelS> mitrick: I just had a look into it and it does seem some silly things were done with alsa, but alsa 1.08 is in Universe as source, so you could get it and make the deb with sudo apt-get source alsa-source --compile
[07:54] <pablo928> nickrud, i added it to etc/?
[07:54] <tolle> seeker_: nmap lists open ports, and you can close them with iptables.
[07:54] <pablo928> nickrud, it shows in my system monitor
[07:54] <drcodedd2> I need quick help
[07:55] <drcodedd2> I think I found soltion for my tape
[07:55] <seeker_> where can I find nmap? (it's not a consol command obviously - I tried :)  )
[07:55] <NigelS> mitrick: I gather the audigy 2 value driver is in that.
[07:55] <drcodedd2> In some forum of suse I need to put line here:
[07:55] <tolle> seeker_: apt-get install nmap
[07:55] <drcodedd2> here: /etc/sysconfig/kernel
[07:55] <drcodedd2> the line I need to put : INITRD_MODULES="reiserfs ide-scsi raid1"
[07:55] <drcodedd2> how I do it in ubuntu
[07:56] <seeker_> ok tolle, I'll give it a try thanks.
[07:56] <jinx``> what do you want to do?
[07:56] <jinx``> drcodedd2
[07:56] <sQuiDY> could someone help me with mldonkey?
[07:56] <sQuiDY> i'm a bit confused
[07:56] <nickrud> drcodedd2, you would put the modules on separate lines in /etc/modues
[07:56] <drcodedd2> It is "ide-scsi", not "ide_scsi". You need to add it to initrd. Edit
[07:56] <drcodedd2> "/etc/sysconfig/kernel" and add it to the list of modules; for example:
[07:56] <drcodedd2> INITRD_MODULES="reiserfs ide-scsi raid1"
[07:56] <drcodedd2> then run mkinitrd. After reboot, check the /var/log/boot.msg file.
[07:56] <drcodedd2> this
[07:56] <seeker_> is there a program that can monitor my traffic as well? (something like netlimitter on windows)
[07:56] <nickrud> /etc/modules
[07:57] <thr1ce> ok...breezy update went fine
[07:57] <nickrud> thr1ce, so far, so good :)
[07:57] <thr1ce> yep]
[07:58] <sQuiDY> can anone help me with mldonkey?
[07:58] <nickrud> seeker_, I used to use ntop
[07:58] <drcodedd2> nic:I need to do somthng after I changet the /etc/module?
[07:58] <seeker_> *used* to? found something better, or you just don't bother anymore?
[07:58] <nickrud> drcodedd2, yeah, as best I've learned, reboot
[07:59] <nickrud> rmmod and insmod may get you there without rebooting
[07:59] <tolle> seeker_: ethereal could also be what you are looking for.
[07:59] <sQuiDY> do you guys have trouble using dcpp?
[07:59] <sQuiDY> the linux port of dc++
[07:59] <sQuiDY> the program is extremely unstable
[07:59] <NigelS> seeker_: iptraf is a simple tool that will certainly tell you about your throughput etc
[07:59] <sQuiDY> it quits everytime i try to download
[08:00] <sQuiDY> and the user list doesn't load correctly
[08:00] <tolle> sQuiDY: Yeah, since its under development it can be unstable from time to time.
[08:00] <drcodedd2> k
[08:00] <drcodedd2> thnx
[08:00] <seeker_> ok thanks. I'll try those progs out.
[08:00] <sQuiDY> i'm trying to find a good substitute
[08:00] <tolle> sQuiDY: You wont find one...
[08:01] <tolle> sQuiDY: Not that they let in on the hubs.
[08:01] <sQuiDY> so no DC use on linux? =T
[08:01] <tolle> sQuiDY: there are alot of clients
[08:01] <sQuiDY> i've tried dcgui-qt
[08:01] <tolle> sQuiDY: but not all to many of the clients are alowded on the larger hubs.
[08:01] <sQuiDY> i just need to get on my school's hub
[08:02] <tolle> sQuiDY: Doesnt dcgui-qt work for that?
[08:02] <ivoks> 'morning
[08:02] <sQuiDY> it does connect
[08:02] <sQuiDY> but search results show up in all gibberish computer code
[08:03] <sQuiDY> the gui is almost unbearable as well
[08:03] <aisipos> Anyone know how to install lm_sensors in Hoary?
[08:03] <kkathman> i have installed the msttcorefonts, and they are showing up under Opera, but not under the KDE control center...is there something else I have to do?
[08:03] <yfir> sQuiDY: i use the non-gq dcgui
[08:03] <yfir> *non-qt
[08:04] <tolle> yfir: the frontend to dctc?
[08:04] <yfir> yeah
[08:05] <tolle> The problems with it ( i love it ) is that it isnt alowded on most hubs. And configuring it requires some skills..
[08:05] <tolle> atleast the last version i used.
[08:05] <yfir> tolle: yes, i have the same problem
[08:05] <tolle> I configured it trough gconf
[08:05] <sQuiDY> ahhh
[08:05] <tolle> Easier then to get the gui to save the settings
[08:05] <sQuiDY> linux is complicated =T
[08:05] <sQuiDY> i go smoke some tree
[08:05] <sQuiDY> heh
[08:05] <sQuiDY> bbl
[08:06] <yfir> dc hub owners don't like linux users and their easily modified open source clients i guess...
[08:06] <yfir> though isn't dc++ open source?
[08:06] <tolle> Yeah it is
[08:08] <gsanimefan> um hello.
[08:08] <tolle> yfir: dctc doesnt tell the hub _what_ client it is.
[08:09] <yfir> tolle: yes. i've tried spoofing other clients but most hub servers are too smart for me :)
[08:09] <ali4728> Help! where an I fint HTML/php editor (WYSIWYG) for my Ubuntu/Linux? thnx
[08:09] <gsanimefan> Um im curious about ubuntu and one of the things that I would like to know is does upgrading ubuntu from release to release require special work each time
[08:09] <yfir> i only really use it on friend's hubs anyway so it isn't a huge problem for me
[08:09] <yfir> but it is annoying, i agree
[08:10] <tolle> gsanimefan: Not much. change one word and run 2 commands
[08:10] <NigelS> gsanimefan: no.  apt makes upgrading trivial.
[08:10] <ali4728> HELP! where can I fint HTML/php editor (WYSIWYG) for my Ubuntu/Linux? thnx
[08:10] <pablo928> ali4728, look in www.ubuntuguide.com -nvu
[08:10] <nickrud> gsanimefan, the real benefit of running ubuntu is all updates are transparent, that is, install once, install never again
[08:10] <ali4728> any brand?
[08:10] <|QuaD-> ali4728: a php wsiwyg editor isn't really that doable
[08:11] <|QuaD-> but nvu is decent for html
[08:11] <|QuaD-> bluefish isalso good
[08:11] <gsanimefan> ok cool cause if its easy for it to update even automatically then it makes it easier for the people im thinking of installing it for
[08:11] <ali4728> Thanx Quad-
[08:11] <pablo928> ali4728, nvu is the name of the app...i use it and like it-has integrated phpclient
[08:11] <|QuaD-> ali4728: you might also want to try quanta (though that means kde libraries)
[08:12] <ali4728> got it thnx
[08:14] <kkathman> quanta is very good
[08:14] <jinx``> do i have to reinstall ubuntu if i change my mainboard or something?
[08:15] <jinx``> for windows its better when changing such a piece of hardware
[08:15] <dr_willis> jinx``,  ive had issues with some distros in the past when doing such a Huge change.
[08:15] <dr_willis> But with the more mondern disrtos - not sure if its much of an issue.
[08:15] <tolle> jinx``: shouldnt be a issue
[08:15] <kkathman> jinx``: Uhm, I think that the boot will attempt to compensate, but you might have some extra tweaking
[08:15] <jinx``> so it might be better to reinstall
[08:15] <dr_willis> I had issues with somne Motherboard modules not getting loaded right (this was 2 yrs ago however)
[08:15] <NigelS> jinx``: maybe..depends what the new board is..but the kernel has a lot of modules compiled ready beside it in the stock install.  So it will load the appropriate modules on boot.
[08:16] <kkathman> after booting, check your dmesg and see if there are issues, if so, re-install...worth a shot
[08:16] <tolle> jinx``: Not realy, try?
[08:16] <jinx``> :D
[08:16] <NigelS> jinx``: it's highly unlikely that you'll need to reinstall.  Maybe...if for example your new system was 64bit you would then apt-get a new kernel. but the system will still boot.
[08:16] <kkathman> yeah good point there NigelS
[08:17] <kkathman> like I said, check the dmesg and see if there's anything to take care of
[08:17] <NigelS> the router in my house is basically a hard disk.  It's been in 3 different machines without any configuration changes.  It's running debian.
[08:19] <NigelS> now, change the mobo on your windows box and you'll not only potentially have hardware trouble but you'll also need to re-validate your windows copy I imagine :)
[08:20] <jinx``> pfff, xp
[08:20] <jinx``> i'm fine with win2k
[08:20] <jinx``> :D
[08:20] <darGor> Hello. with ubuntu, on GAIM, (msn) i can't view the budd'ys WebCam. anyone knows some msn client , which i can view buddy's webcam ?
[08:21] <kkathman> Has anyone attempted to install fonts in KDE under ubuntu?
[08:22] <Sunneh> Anyone willing to help me on an urgent problmen?
[08:22] <kkathman> Sunneh, just ask your question and maybe someone will know and answer :)
[08:22] <Sunneh> I tried that technique last night :|
[08:22] <Sunneh> Anyway, here goes :)
[08:23] <kkathman> well some people might not know :)
[08:24] <NigelS> asking a question is the only technique I'm aware of that can get help :)
[08:24] <look4`ShellC> ohaio
[08:24] <Sunneh> I have just created a new MBR using the Windows Recovery Console because my grub menu did not let me boot to Windows. I can't actually boot to Ubuntu because of an update gone wrong. I was wondering whether the best option is to delete the partitions and wait until my 5.04 CD's come and install it again then or is there another way that I can save my installation?
[08:25] <NigelS> Sunneh: question: surely the reason you can't boot to ubuntu is because you've overwritten the MBR - what was the event that rendered ubuntu unbootable otherwise?
[08:26] <Sunneh> Nigel: no. I tried to boot to ubuntu when the grub menu exlci
[08:26] <Sunneh> whoops
[08:26] <jinx``> the ubuntu cds? are they with a nice cover? :D
[08:26] <Sunneh> .. excluded windows
[08:26] <Sunneh> and it ket saying that files were missing.
[08:26] <NigelS> Interesting.  So you were not able to boot ubuntu at all, since performing the install?
[08:26] <Sunneh> Oh yes.
[08:27] <Sunneh> It's since I tried to upgrade last night.
[08:27] <Sunneh> The upgrades did not install successfully, It restarted and it buggered.
[08:28] <NigelS> from Warty --> Hoary was this?
[08:28] <Sunneh> Yes, from 4.10 to 5.04
[08:28] <Sunneh> Via the SPM
[08:28] <wantNewStuff> Is there any way to get new bzflag soon in ubuntu?
[08:29] <wantNewStuff> hoary has too old of version to play on the server I want
[08:29] <St0n3-C0l> Boom Bomm!
[08:29] <NigelS> Do you remember the errors when you selected linux in the grub menu and pressed enter? Was it that grub couldn't load the installation or that it started but then the boot failed?
[08:30] <St0n3-C0l> Linux is installed or having probs with installer ?
[08:30] <Sunneh> It started to load but then gave me an error saying files could not be found.
[08:30] <Sunneh> *It started to boot...
[08:30] <St0n3-C0l> Sunneh: check iso md5sum
[08:30] <neuroniche> Where can I discuss the implications of OOo's recent further use of Java?
[08:31] <Sunneh> St0n3: I'm wasn't usuing a CD.
[08:31] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[08:31] <St0n3-C0l> then ??
[08:31] <drcodedd2> one more q
[08:31] <drcodedd2> I get this Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as devic
[08:32] <St0n3-C0l> who uses Breezy here ?
[08:32] <drcodedd2> ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device
[08:32] <Sunneh> Nigel? Any ideas?
[08:32] <drcodedd2> How can I tell ubuntu to load hdc ide-cd
[08:33] <drcodedd2> and hdd to load ide-scsi
[08:33] <neuroniche> Is anyone here informed about OpenOffice.org and their Base package in 2.0?
[08:33] <kkathman> drcpdedd2 I think you'll have to adjust your fstab
[08:34] <wantNewStuff> drcodedd2: you use lilo or grub?
[08:34] <wantNewStuff> drcodedd2: you do it in there
[08:34] <Sunneh> Anyone?
[08:35] <kkathman> Ohhh I misread your question drcodedd2 , I apologize
[08:35] <ircbot_> what's a good handheld to get?
[08:35] <NigelS> Sunneh: ok.  Without seeing what's broken it's hard.  But you can still get into the system and try running it in single user mode and then apt-get to repair
[08:35] <drcodedd2> grub
[08:35] <kkathman> ircbot_: what are your requirements?
[08:35] <drcodedd2> where I put it in menu.lst
[08:36] <drcodedd2> and boot?
[08:36] <drcodedd2> after boot
[08:36] <Sunneh> Nigel: How do i do that?
[08:36] <ircbot_> kkathman: wifi preferably... expandable memory
[08:36] <Sunneh> (Thanks btw)
[08:36] <wantNewStuff> drcodedd2: it's in menu.lst, but I don't remember exact for grub (i used lilo back in the day when I needed that)
[08:36] <kkathman> ircbot_: got a specific budget in mind?
[08:36] <ircbot_> not really
[08:36] <St0n3-C0l> Those who uses Breezy development branch...having probs with cpp ?
[08:36] <drcodedd2> in grub I have defaultsave,boot
[08:36] <drcodedd2> any one can hel pme with grub
[08:37] <kkathman> ircbot_: I just got an iPAQ 2755 and Im very happy with it
[08:37] <kkathman> but its pricey
[08:37] <ircbot_> kkathman: don't those run the doze?
[08:37] <wantNewStuff> ircbot_: zarus runs linux
[08:37] <kkathman> yep fraid so....if you want a Palm, try the Clie' from Sony
[08:38] <kkathman> yeah that Zarus is hot
[08:38] <drcodedd2> k
[08:38] <drcodedd2> found
[08:38] <drcodedd2> thanx
[08:38] <dr_willis> Grrr... some how all these video clips in firefox want to load with totem.. which dont play them. :P mplayer does. but cant figure how to make it the default lol. I tell it to use mplayer and it forgets
[08:38] <Sunneh> [07:36]  <Sunneh> Nigel: How do i do that?
[08:38] <ircbot_> wantNewStuff: do they still make zaruses?
[08:38] <wantNewStuff> ircbot_: dunno
[08:38] <ircbot_> yeah i don't run windows w/o a sign from god... palm i can deal with
[08:38] <kkathman> ircbot_: I saw one at Frys here in Dallas a few weeks ago
[08:38] <ircbot_> and they stopped making the Clie i know
[08:39] <wantNewStuff> does anyone know how to get someone to package a new version of a program in ubuntu?... bzflag is behind and can't play with friends
[08:39] <Sunneh> Well. I got to go.
[08:39] <Sunneh> TTyl.
[08:39] <kkathman> ircbot_: I only mentioned Clie' because they discontinued the line, but they are pretty available for quite a nice price
[08:39] <hgoesm> is there a 64 bit version for ubuntu
[08:39] <ircbot_> kkathman: ah okay
[08:39] <NigelS> Sunneh: if you don't have a boot disk, which you most probably don't have, you'll need to use a live cd to mount....sheesh, some people.
[08:39] <hgoesm> not off ubuntu
[08:40] <kkathman> ircbot_: those used to go for like $500 or so, and you can get them now for under $150
[08:40] <cef> hgoesm: amd64, yes
[08:40] <hgoesm> thx
[08:40] <cef> hgoesm: that works on AMD Athlon64 and Intel EM64t
[08:40] <donjohnson> Hi can anyone tell me how to get online with warty live cd
[08:41] <donjohnson> dial up
[08:42] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: you can prob just install the new version yourself surely?  If you type apt-cache show bzflag you'll see the maintainer.  But in terms of hoary the reason why it's that version is more to do with the dependencies I imagine.  Your best bet is probably to install the new version yourself.
[08:42] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: from source??
[08:42] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: if necessary yes.
[08:42] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I wanna switch from debian to ubuntu just to avoid that with X
[08:43] <sQuiDY> why is it that i can play mp3's
[08:43] <sQuiDY> but i have no system sounds?
[08:43] <sQuiDY> does ubuntu have any system sounds at all?
[08:43] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: well, I don't know that the situation in terms of the way that maintainers/releases work is much different.  i.e. you still need a person to upload a newer version that works with the system's dependencies.
[08:43] <ivoks> hi
[08:44] <donjohnson> need info to get online with wartyl live cd please
[08:45] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: debian has version of bzflag I need, but can't glx due to old X... ubuntu has glx, but not version of bzflag i need to play
[08:46] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: use the debian deb?
[08:46] <floater> donjohnson first make sure your ethernet card is detected, then set it up to use your internet connection
[08:47] <donjohnson> there is no kppp or pppd to fill in
[08:47] <floater> type pppoeconfig
[08:47] <floater> or something
[08:47] <donjohnson> i run kano x fine
[08:47] <floater> I don't remember
[08:48] <Determinist> s
[08:48] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I hear that's a horrible idea
[08:48] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: otherwise, hassle the universe maintainer for the package :)
[08:48] <Determinist> ya know , ubuntu is really *very* nice
[08:48] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I know people that have screwed up debian with ubuntu deb's
[08:49] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: erm? why? so long as the deps are satisfied
[08:49] <donjohnson> floater, do I use konsole  pppd
[08:49] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: some pacakges, sure, they'd install stuff in the wrong way, but for something pretty self-contained like a game it should be fine
[08:49] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I can try I guess
[08:50] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: looks like libcurl is too low on debian atm
[08:50] <bleezy_> anyone here used giFToxic ??
[08:50] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: ubuntu even
[08:50] <wantNewStuff> bleezy_: i use apollon
[08:50] <wantNewStuff> bleezy_: which uses gift
[08:50] <bleezy_> was it easier to setup ?
[08:50] <wantNewStuff> bleezy_: it's KDE and all GUI
[08:50] <bleezy_> and gnome is the foot right ?
[08:51] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: which might be why the maintainer hasn't uploaded the new upstream version
[08:51] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I don't need newest, just 2.x.x
[08:51] <donjohnson> can someone give me the command for getting dialup to configure
[08:51] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: protocol change in 2 from 1
[08:51] <floater> doesn't pppoeconfig work ?
[08:51] <wantNewStuff> donjohnson: use wvdial
[08:52] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: by newest I meant the version in debian sarge & sid.
[08:52] <tjs> does ubuntu still create a 'debian' dir to hold deb config files for packaging? or is the convention to use 'ubuntu' ?
[08:52] <donjohnson> ok tnx i go try again. but think files are missing
[08:52] <ivoks> donjohnson pppconfig
[08:52] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: anyways... i guess i'm gonna install ubuntu.  I'll still have glx for chromium atleast :)
[08:52] <ivoks> tjs debian, that's normal
[08:53] <tjs> ok cheers
[08:54] <Lanlost> How do I disable suspend mode? My laptop needs to be closed and right now I have to keep it open all the time to use it
[08:54] <Lanlost> I want to VNC to it and have it closed but it goes into suspend when I close the lid
[08:54] <ivoks> Lanlost ?
[08:55] <Lanlost> yes?
[08:55] <ivoks> suspend after lid?
[08:55] <bob2> Lanlost: suspend on lid close isn't enabled by default
[08:55] <Lanlost> Well.. it is for me =P
[08:55] <ivoks> on lid onlt monitor goes off
[08:55] <Lanlost> is that in /etc/defaults/acpi-support?
[08:55] <bob2> yes
[08:55] <ivoks> Lanlost yes
[08:55] <Lanlost> I can't figure out where
[08:55] <Lanlost> I have almost everything commented out
[08:55] <mjg59> Suspend on lid close is only enabled on PPC or if you're using APM
[08:56] <ivoks> anyone having any problems with suspend to ram?
[08:56] <Lanlost> maybe I'm using APM...
[08:56] <ivoks> i noticed that my touchpad doesn't work right after resume
[08:56] <Lanlost> how do I tell?
[08:56] <mjg59> If you're using ACPI and it appears to suspend, then it's more likely that your machine is crashing when it switches away from X
[08:56] <mjg59> Lanlost: Do you have a /proc/apm file?
[08:56] <Lanlost> I must be using APM becuase that must be why editing the acpi settings didn't do anything haha
[08:57] <noodle>  /nick Sphearion
[08:57] <Lanlost> no i just tried to vim /proc/apm and its blank.
[08:57] <ivoks> lol
[08:57] <ivoks> Lanlost ls /proc/apm would be anough
[08:57] <ivoks> enough
[08:57] <Lanlost> no such file or directory...
[08:58] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I just found that when I startup gnome-terminal, neither /etc/profile nor my personal settings (~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile) is being read. What should I do to get my bash env set up correctly?
[08:58] <Lanlost> well I Can log back in ifi  open the lid and move the mouse.. I get a prompt
[08:58] <ivoks> Lanlost ok, that's ok
[08:58] <mjg59> Lanlost: That's not suspending, then. It just locks the screen.
[08:58] <ivoks> Lanlost then it doesn't crash
[08:58] <Lanlost> ok, how do I disable that
[08:58] <ivoks> suspend is when lap shouts down
[08:59] <ivoks> Lanlost chmod -x /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[08:59] <ivoks> Lanlost why would u disable that?
[09:00] <Lanlost> whats -x do?
[09:00] <Lanlost> I don't want to lock the screen
[09:00] <Lanlost> I use VNC to access my laptop upstairs
[09:00] <ivoks> ?
[09:00] <Lanlost> and I don't want to have the lid always open
[09:00] <Determinist> ok , just installed ubuntu 5.04 , how can i make sure the system is up to date with the latest packages?
[09:00] <ivoks> Lanlost then don't do chmod -x
[09:00] <ivoks> Lanlost rearrange that script
[09:00] <Lanlost> what does the -x do?
[09:01] <Tomcat_> Remove executable rights
[09:01] <ivoks> Lanlost remove xscreensaver commands and put vbetool dpms off & vbetool dpms on
[09:01] <ivoks> Lanlost using VNC on linux is stoopid
[09:01] <Lanlost> ivoks.. whys that?
[09:01] <Lanlost> why is it stupidI mean
[09:02] <ivoks> Lanlost couse u have ssh, ssh -X, remote X etc...
[09:02] <ivoks> vnc does have sense only if u are connecting from windows
[09:02] <Lanlost> which I am..
[09:02] <ivoks> ah, then u have a problem :)
[09:02] <Lanlost> hahah
[09:02] <Lanlost> I run VNC full screen..
[09:03] <ivoks> Lanlost so, when screensaver fiers, u can't connect to vnc?
[09:03] <Lanlost> I can.. but the screen is locked
[09:03] <Lanlost> I just need to disable the screen locking when the lid closes
[09:03] <ivoks> so?
[09:04] <Lanlost> can't I just delete everything in the script?
[09:04] <ivoks> why? just enter password
[09:04] <ivoks> Lanlost don't delete script, maybe u will like that behavior later
[09:04] <Lanlost> ack wait.. I guess I can't do anything when the lid is closed
[09:04] <Lanlost> I Can't use VNC anymre but it doesn't disconnect..
[09:04] <ivoks> it's much better to comment out things u don;t want
[09:04] <Lanlost> I can't do any commands or anything while the screen is closed
[09:04] <Lanlost> I just see the unlock screen but I can't do anything
[09:05] <mitrick> back
[09:05] <Lanlost> when I open the lid I regain full control
[09:05] <mitrick> i cant compile gaim now
[09:05] <mitrick> no gcc
[09:05] <mitrick> damn there is lots of things missing in kubuntu
[09:05] <Seveas> Lanlost, just comment out the xscreensaver stuff in /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:05] <ivoks> Lanlost comment all lines with xscreensaver
[09:05] <Seveas> but do NOT delete that file
[09:05] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I just found that when I startup gnome-terminal, neither /etc/profile nor my personal setting is being read. What should I do to get g-t running as a login shell?
[09:05] <Lanlost> whats the comment symbol?
[09:05] <Lanlost> '?
[09:05] <NigelS> mitrick: it's not much hassle to apt-get gcc :)
[09:05] <ivoks> Lanlost #
[09:05] <Seveas> #
[09:05] <Lanlost> ok thanks
[09:05] <NigelS> mitrick: did you see my comments above on something that you were asking?
[09:06] <Seveas> mitrick, that is by design
[09:06] <Lanlost> can't i just comment everything?
[09:06] <Seveas> the average user does not need gcc
[09:06] <Seveas> Lanlost, no
[09:06] <rod> hi
[09:06] <Lanlost> whats chvt 12?
[09:06] <Seveas> Laney, only the lines with xscreensaver in it
[09:06] <ivoks> Lanlost man, be smarter
[09:06] <abarbaccia> hey what do you all use to print a dvi file?
[09:06] <Seveas> Laney, that means change to vt 12
[09:06] <Lanlost> haha
[09:06] <ivoks> Lanlost change virtual term to term 12
[09:06] <Seveas> Lanlost*
[09:06] <Lanlost> thats the greatest line I'
[09:06] <mitrick> yea
[09:06] <Lanlost> 've ever read
[09:07] <rod> i apt-got mozilla-mplayer... Now it makes me crash firefox so i apt-get remove mozilla-mplayer.   Firefox doesnt use mplayer now anymore, but when i open movies it still starts mplayer... I dont know what to remove now?
[09:07] <NigelS> Seveas: I actually don't think that's true yet with ubuntu/linux.  I think the *average* user currently will need gcc at some point during the life time of this release cycle.
[09:07] <ivoks> Lanlost that lid.sh is great chance to extend lifetime of ur laptop
[09:07] <mitrick> im trying to apt-get gcc now
[09:07] <mitrick> but fails
[09:07] <Seveas> rod, apt-get remove --purge mplayer
[09:07] <ivoks> Lanlost LCDs have lifetime, messured in hours
[09:07] <Lanlost> so keep the screen blank..
[09:07] <Lanlost> on the laptop ... correct...
[09:07] <ivoks> Lanlost it would be great to shoutdown ur LCD while lid is closed, wouldn't it?
[09:07] <Seveas> NigelS, not really, the point of a binary distribution is that you download precompiled things
[09:07] <Lanlost> ok that worked
[09:07] <rod> Seveas, Package mplayer is not installed, so not removed
[09:08] <Seveas> only if you want something that's not in the repo's you have a problem
[09:08] <ivoks> Lanlost none of this commands in lid.sh don't poweroff ur monitor
[09:08] <rod> oh nvm Seveas , it uses totem now after that command: )
[09:08] <Seveas> rod, sorry, that's mplayer-custom
[09:08] <NigelS> Seveas: I know what the *objective* is, but the reality on the ground is that we're not fully there yet.  Especially with universe.
[09:08] <Seveas> NigelS, true :)
[09:08] <Lanlost> ok it worked but my lcd doesn't turn off.. the backlight just goes off..
[09:08] <NigelS> mitrick: what's the error?
[09:08] <ivoks> Lanlost comment chvt line bellow echo 'fgconsole'
[09:08] <Lanlost> I can still see the screen barely
[09:08] <Seveas> mitrick, by the way, if you are building a lot yourself, apt-get install build-essential
[09:09] <ivoks> Lanlost i know... we will get to that...
[09:09] <mitrick> ill try that
[09:09] <Lanlost> ok
[09:09] <Lanlost> continue
[09:09] <ivoks> Lanlost under chvt line add this line:
[09:09] <ivoks> Lanlost vbetool dpms off
[09:09] <mitrick> build-essential
[09:10] <mitrick> what is in that pkg?
[09:10] <NigelS> mitrick: what was the error with apt-getting gcc?
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost add same line under su - $user -c "xscreensaver
[09:10] <Lanlost> and on for the state where the screen is on?
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost wait...
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost just listen to me, and do what i tell u
[09:10] <Seveas> mitrick, nothing, but it depends on things like gcc, make, manpages-dev, auto(conf|make) etc...
[09:10] <mitrick> i cant paste here or else will be a flood
[09:10] <Lanlost> which xscreensaver line
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost both
[09:10] <Seveas> mitrick, apt-cache show build-essential for the details :)
[09:10] <Lanlost> ok
[09:11] <mitrick> build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:11] <mitrick>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:11] <mitrick>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:11] <ivoks> Lanlost comment all chvt lines
[09:11] <Seveas> mitrick, breezy?
[09:11] <Lanlost> ok continue
[09:11] <ivoks> Lanlost on the end of file add this:
[09:11] <ivoks> grep -q open /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state
[09:11] <ivoks> if [ $? = 0 ]
[09:11] <mitrick> that is what i see when i try to install gcc
[09:11] <ivoks> then
[09:11] <ivoks>         vbetool dpms on
[09:11] <ivoks> fi
[09:12] <NigelS> mitrick: are you using breezy?
[09:12] <Seveas> mitrick, are you running hoary or breezy?
[09:12] <Lanlost> ok..
[09:12] <mitrick> what does breezy means?
[09:12] <mitrick> hoary i think
[09:12] <mitrick> i got the kubuntu cd here
[09:12] <mitrick> 5.04
[09:12] <Lanlost> ok
[09:12] <Seveas> mitrick, those are release names, but if you don't know what it means, you run hoary :)
[09:12] <Lanlost> done?
[09:12] <ivoks> Lanlost save the file and try with the lid
[09:12] <mitrick> cuz im a slack user for many years
[09:13] <mitrick> not used to debian at all and how it works
[09:13] <Lanlost> nope
[09:13] <Seveas> mitrick, looks like #kubuntu is indeed broken, or you have missed one command
[09:13] <billytwowilly> Perhaps someone can explain this for me.
[09:13] <Seveas> mitrick, have you run apt-get update?
[09:13] <mitrick> hmm
[09:13] <mitrick> ill try that
[09:13] <ivoks> Lanlost what nope?
[09:13] <NigelS> that error was for installing build-essential - run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install gcc and see why it can;'t install gcc upon which build-essential depends
[09:13] <billytwowilly> So I scp some files over to my back up server.  What's up with that?
[09:13] <Lanlost> doesn't work
[09:14] <Lanlost> screen is still on
[09:14] <Lanlost> I can still see the windows faintly
[09:14] <ivoks> vbetool dpms off?
[09:14] <mitrick> gcc: Depends: gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:14] <mitrick>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:14] <mitrick> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[09:14] <ivoks> did u check u have that tool?
[09:14] <Lanlost> vbetool?
[09:14] <ivoks> yes
[09:15] <ivoks> u should have
[09:15] <Lanlost> I have it
[09:15] <ivoks> don't run it :)
[09:15] <ivoks> Lanlost try this then:
[09:15] <arto>  onko ketn joka osaisi neuvoa miten saan skypen toimiin ubuntuuun
[09:15] <mitrick> ou have 1 broken package on your system!
[09:15] <mitrick> Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[09:15] <ivoks> sudo vbetool dpms off && sleep 5 && sudo vbetool dpms on
[09:15] <mitrick> i see that when i run synaptic
[09:15] <Seveas> ouch...
[09:15] <NigelS> mitrick: try apt-get -f install as it suggests and see what it thinks it has to do to fix it
[09:16] <epsiliando> Hi!
[09:16] <Lanlost> ok hold ivoks
[09:16] <NigelS> mitrick: have you used dpkg on anything btw? also, out of interest what have you set your repositories to?
[09:16] <Seveas> mitrick, apt-get check can also give more info about the brokenness
[09:16] <Lanlost> ok
[09:16] <Lanlost> that worked fine
[09:16] <Lanlost> I must have screwed something up in the script
[09:16] <mitrick> i fixed the broken
[09:18] <seeker_> I downloaded a package but it's not in the application menu - where can I find it?
[09:18] <seeker_> (I used synaptic)
[09:19] <Number_5> what was the package?
[09:19] <seeker_> iptraf
[09:19] <Cine> ack... new problem
[09:19] <billytwowilly> seeker_: Wherever you downloaded it to. synaptic isn't for installing pacakages you download, it is for accessing repositories.
[09:19] <Seveas> seeker_, you need to run that from a terminal
[09:19] <lunitik> seeker_: iptraf is a cli app afaik
[09:19] <billytwowilly> use dpkg -i as root on the package.
[09:19] <Seveas> billy-420, nonsense...
[09:19] <Lanlost> I dont need to use sudo or anything before the vbetool stuff right?
[09:19] <Seveas> billytwowilly, nonsense
[09:19] <Lanlost> because normally I need it
[09:19] <mitrick> now i got glib prob to configure gaim
[09:19] <Seveas> billytwowilly, synaptic installs it too
[09:19] <mitrick> aahhhh!!
[09:20] <Cine> audacity is have I/O problems... unable to access the I/O layer
[09:20] <Lanlost> I'm assuming no since you have to have root privs to access the file anyway
[09:20] <ivoks> Lanlost ACPI runs as root
[09:20] <mitrick> damn i got build-essential installed
[09:20] <seeker_> synaptic installs the packages as well, doesn't it? anyway, I want to add it to the application menu but I have to give it's location.
[09:20] <Lanlost> what about fi do I need that after EVERY vbetool command?
[09:20] <Cine> error initializing I/O layer
[09:20] <lunitik> mitrick: why you saying 'damn' for that?
[09:20] <ivoks> Lanlost u need fi after every if :)
[09:20] <billytwowilly> Seveas: how? there are no options to tell synaptic where the package is on your system.
[09:21] <Seveas> billytwowilly, synaptic downloads and installs the package
[09:21] <mitrick> i got all here , i cant compile gaim 1.2.1 from source since i cant apt-get install gaim-1.2.1
[09:21] <lunitik> billytwowilly: sure there are... you can set it to use a local repo  :/
[09:21] <Lanlost> oh its the close if statement..
[09:21] <Seveas> billytwowilly, menu entries are defined in the packages, if a package does not contain a menu entry, it will not show up in the menu
[09:21] <Amaranth> lunitik: Good luck creating a repo, dpkg-scansources seems to be broke.
[09:21] <billytwowilly> Seveas: He said he downloaded a package. if it was with firefox it is likely in his Document dir, not easily available to synaptic.
[09:21] <Seveas> seeker_, iptraf needs to be run from a terminal
[09:21] <seeker_> Seveas: you can add a menu entry using the menu editor
[09:21] <lunitik> Amaranth: apt-proxy seems to be fine?
[09:22] <Lanlost> strange thsi should work then...
[09:22] <Amaranth> lunitik: Doesn't help me, I'm just ranting. :P
[09:22] <Lanlost> becuase if I uncomment the screensaver thing it still locsk the screen
[09:22] <ivoks> Lanlost doh.... :
[09:22] <ivoks> grep -q closed /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state
[09:22] <ivoks> if [ $? = 0 ]
[09:22] <ivoks> then
[09:22] <ivoks>         . /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[09:22] <Seveas> seeker_, i know, you can find out the location of iptraf by using the command 'which iptraf'
[09:22] <Amaranth> I wanted to create a repository for Smeg.
[09:22] <lunitik> Amaranth: check into apt-proxy... nice if you need a local repo for boxes on your lan etc
[09:23] <seeker_> thx Seveas, it worked
[09:23] <Amaranth> Yeah, apt-proxy isn't what I need.
[09:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: hah... ok
[09:23] <lunitik> wtf is Smeg btw?
[09:24] <lunitik> Amaranth: your own package?
[09:24] <Amaranth> Smeg == Simple Menu Editor for GNOME, that menu editting thing I've been working on :)
[09:25] <Amaranth> I released 0.5 yesterday. :D
[09:25] <ivoks> what's wrong with vim in /usr/share/applications? :)
[09:25] <lunitik> Amaranth: ahh... you got creative?  *g*
[09:25] <Amaranth> ivoks: Do you know how to create a new submenu?
[09:26] <ivoks> Amaranth mkdir?
[09:26] <Amaranth> lunitik: haha, GNOME Menu Editor was taken by Manny
[09:26] <Amaranth> ivoks: No, on the menus.
[09:26] <ivoks> Amaranth under Applications?
[09:26] <Amaranth> ivoks: Are you willing to risk using vim on one of those files and breaking spec causes things to generally fsck up?
[09:26] <Amaranth> ivoks: There, or under any submenu already there.
[09:27] <ivoks> Amaranth vim works ok there
[09:27] <ivoks> or any other editor
[09:27] <lunitik> Amaranth: you have screenies online of your work?
[09:27] <ivoks> they are only text files
[09:27] <Seveas> ivoks, but vim is not for newbies :)
[09:27] <ivoks> Seveas i agree :) they use smeg :)
[09:27] <ivoks> Amaranth NHF :)
[09:28] <ivoks> it's a joke
[09:28] <Amaranth> NHF?
[09:28] <Seveas> no hard feelings
[09:28] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg
[09:28] <Amaranth> ah
[09:28] <ivoks> Amaranth i don't knoe how to create new submenu under Applications, didn't investigate that
[09:29] <ivoks> Amaranth but submenu under Internet or Games is plain mkdir
[09:29] <Amaranth> ivoks: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html enjoy
[09:29] <Amaranth> ivoks: No it isn't, that was how it worked in the legacy menu system.
[09:30] <ivoks> Amaranth ok, /usr/share/apps/
[09:30] <ivoks> :)
[09:31] <ivoks> or applnk or whatever :)
[09:31] <Amaranth> ivoks: That's the legacy menu system, not guaranteed to work in the future.
[09:31] <ivoks> i know
[09:31] <ivoks> i manually added couple of items in games
[09:31] <ivoks> did't do any submenu, that's true..
[09:32] <Lanlost> ivoks I copied your script
[09:32] <Lanlost> still doesn't work
[09:32] <ivoks> then u didn't copy it rith
[09:32] <ivoks> right
[09:32] <Lanlost> but your sudo vbetool dpms off && sleep 5 && line worked..
[09:33] <Lanlost> want met o copy it back?
[09:33] <ivoks> Lanlost try to run it: sudo /etc/apci/lid.sh
[09:33] <Lanlost> cannot execute binary file
[09:33] <ivoks> lol
[09:33] <Lanlost> aha..
[09:33] <ivoks> there is ur problem
[09:33] <Lanlost> script f'ed up?
[09:33] <ivoks> ls -dl /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:33] <ivoks> ?
[09:34] <arto> eik kukaan kirjoita suomeksi
[09:34] <Lanlost> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 541 2005-05-26 03:31 /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:34] <ivoks> Lanlost did u erase she-bang line?
[09:34] <Lanlost> uhm..
[09:34] <ivoks> the one on the begining?
[09:34] <ivoks> #!/bin/sh
[09:34] <ivoks> i didn't paste u whole script, just one part
[09:35] <Lanlost> I know..
[09:35] <Lanlost> I put that below the chvt 12 line
[09:35] <Lanlost> which is commented out
[09:35] <ivoks> uh... send me file over dcc
[09:36] <ivoks> Amaranth anyway, nice job with smeg
[09:37] <Amaranth> thanks
[09:37] <ivoks> try to merge it in gnome official
[09:37] <lunitik> ivoks: more likely gnome-menu-editor gets in...
[09:37] <Number_5> I would ask a question but this is the first linux distro i've had no trouble with whatsoever
[09:38] <lunitik> Number_5: bad thing  :-P
[09:38] <ivoks> lunitik well, gme should be done years ago
[09:38] <Number_5> heh
[09:38] <ivoks> Number_5 me too, everything worked
[09:38] <ivoks> even sleep :)
[09:38] <Lanlost> isn't it encrypted?
[09:38] <Number_5> heh
[09:39] <lunitik> ivoks: true... I still don't get why its being done seperate from the actual menu though..
[09:39] <Number_5> best part is the community of folks out there..lots of straight forward tutorials too
[09:39] <lunitik> ivoks: made more sense that it would be integrated (like gnome 2.8)
[09:39] <Lanlost> ivoks isn't it encrypted?
[09:40] <ivoks> lunitik hehe well, maybe we will lose mouse buttons like they did on Mac, so they are thinking in advance :)
[09:40] <ivoks> Lanlost ?
[09:40] <lunitik> ivoks: why would we lose mouse buttons?
[09:40] <ivoks> ah, never mind, forget it...
[09:40] <lunitik> ivoks: mice seem to be getting more buttons  *shrug*
[09:41] <Lanlost> I asked you a question..
[09:41] <Lanlost> isnt lid.sh encypted?
[09:41] <ivoks> Lanlost encrypted? why would it be crypted?
[09:41] <ivoks> that's a shell script
[09:42] <Lanlost> I sent it to my windows computer to dcc you it and it says its encrypted
[09:42] <Lanlost> I mean.. I opened it and its scrambled "vimcrypt"
[09:42] <Tomcat_> o_O
[09:42] <ivoks> ?!
[09:42] <ivoks> get rid of ur windows
[09:42] <Lanlost> I have to enter a password when I open it in vim too..
[09:43] <ivoks> man, u just wrote lines in that script, how can it be crypted?
[09:43] <Lanlost> "Enter encryption key: "
[09:43] <Lanlost> I entered my root password and it worked..
[09:43] <Lanlost> other wise it wouldn't open
[09:43] <Tomcat_> o_o_O_O
[09:43] <ivoks> how did u send that file to windows?
[09:43] <Lanlost> ftp'ed it =)
[09:44] <ivoks> i don't think so
[09:44] <Lanlost> really..
[09:44] <Lanlost> http://home.columbus.rr.com/lanlost/lid.sh
[09:44] <Lanlost> cough
[09:45] <ivoks> ?
[09:45] <ivoks> enter encryption key
[09:45] <phillipc> how do I restart a particular network interface?
[09:45] <ivoks> this wasn't over ftp
[09:45] <Lanlost> ... yes it was..
[09:46] <Lanlost> thats how I transfered it to my site..
[09:46] <ivoks> phillipc ifdown ethx && ifup ethx
[09:46] <Lanlost> let me disable the encryption
[09:46] <Cine> hrm.... anyone know what Qt is?
[09:46] <Lanlost> :set key= I believe
[09:46] <Lanlost> let me see if it works
[09:46] <ivoks> man
[09:46] <ivoks> 49MB of 4,5GB swap free
[09:47] <ivoks> 13MB of 3GB RAM free
[09:47] <lunitik> ivoks: time to restart... damn dude
[09:47] <Cine> workin' her kinda hard eh ivoks?
[09:47] <Seveas> Cine, Qt is the KDE GUI library
[09:47] <ivoks> lunitik nope... that's normal load :)
[09:47] <ivoks> Cine it's a 60node cluster
[09:47] <lunitik> ivoks: you hosting the internet?  :P
[09:47] <Cine> oh... crap... so I'm trying to install ktoon...  does that mean I can't install it on gnome?
[09:48] <ivoks> lunitik no...
[09:48] <bob2> Cine: no, it doesn't matter
[09:48] <lunitik> Cine: it will kinda of... umm... stand out though
[09:49] <Cine> well I try the qmake command it tells me to use in the installation and I get nuthin'... is there a package I need to install?
[09:49] <bob2> "get nuthin'" is not the error you got
[09:49] <Seveas> Cine, for qt, apt-get install libqt3c102
[09:49] <bob2> do you mean "bash says command not found"?
[09:49] <bob2> Seveas: that won't help either
[09:50] <Cine> yeah bob... that would be it... sorry I wasn't more specific
[09:50] <ivoks> lol
[09:50] <bob2> Cine: then install libqt3-mt-dev
[09:50] <ivoks>  cluster kernel: 6934(lattice23gbig): Arrival rejected due to severe memory shortage.
[09:50] <ivoks> no shit :)
[09:51] <Cine> thanks bob
[09:51] <ivo_> hello every one
[09:51] <ivo_> question?
[09:51] <topyli> ivo_: sorry, i don't have any
[09:51] <lunitik> ivoks: RESTART FUCKER  8-)
[09:51] <Lanlost> I bet thats why the friggen script doesnt work
[09:51] <ivo_> hehe
[09:51] <Lanlost> its probably because its encrypted..
[09:51] <ivo_> but I do!!
[09:51] <Lanlost> how the hell do I take the encryption off
[09:51] <topyli> great!
[09:52] <ivoks> Lanlost u can tell by cat /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:52] <Seveas> ivo_, then ask :)
[09:52] <ivoks> Lanlost how did u managed to create crpted file?! :)
[09:52] <ivo_> but, can you set in ubuntu that when you type, youre mouse doesn't work
[09:52] <bob2> ivo_: not easily
[09:52] <ivo_> because i have a laptop, and when you type, you touch the mousepad
[09:52] <ivo_> mm,
[09:53] <ivoks> ivo_ lol
[09:53] <ivoks> concentrate better on not touching touchpad :)
[09:53] <Tomcat_> [09:52:20]  [ivoks]  Lanlost how did u managed to create crpted file?! :) <--- Some things in Ubuntu "just work" :-D
[09:53] <topyli> ivo_: how would it know you've stopped typing and not just slow :)
[09:53] <Lanlost> doesn't anyone use vim?
[09:53] <ivo_> with a times
[09:53] <ivo_> timer
[09:53] <cef> eleusis: blah
[09:53] <ivoks> Lanlost i do
[09:54] <Lanlost> omfg
[09:54] <topyli> Lanlost: everybody does sometimes
[09:54] <Lanlost> I fixed it
[09:54] <Lanlost> :set key=
[09:54] <Lanlost> then :w :q
[09:54] <ivo_> but, you say, it's not really possible at the moment
[09:54] <Lanlost> opened it again it asked for a new key.. I hit nothing and it said "Decrypted"
[09:54] <eleusis> :)
[09:54] <bob2> ivo_: best to ask on the user list
[09:54] <Lanlost> but it still tries to get me to encrypt every shell script when I open it
[09:54] <Lanlost> including this one still
[09:54] <ivoks> Lanlost u were playing with ur .vim*
[09:55] <paladin2> ubuntu linux newbey
[09:55] <paladin2> need help connect to internet
[09:55] <ivoks> paladin2 no such dicks here
[09:55] <paladin2> can anyone help?
[09:55] <Lanlost> hey ivoks...
[09:55] <ivoks> :)
[09:55] <lunitik> paladin2: wireless?
[09:55] <paladin2> nope
[09:55] <eleusis> paladin2: you are on the internet..
[09:55] <Lanlost> did you tell me to just run /etc/acpi/lid.sh?
[09:55] <lunitik> paladin2: damn... you suck
[09:55] <ivoks> Lanlost ?
[09:55] <ivoks> yeah... can u?
[09:55] <Lanlost> I get open /dev/mem: Permission denied three times
[09:55] <Lanlost> and thats it
[09:55] <bob2> ivoks: language, please
[09:55] <paladin2> not on my linux machine numskull
[09:55] <ivo_> and who has the hibernate function working?
[09:55] <topyli> hehe
[09:55] <ivoks> Lanlost that's great
[09:56] <bob2> lunitik: please read the code of conduct
[09:56] <ivoks> ivo_ i do
[09:56] <bob2> ivo_: lots of people, wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[09:56] <Lanlost> it is?
[09:56] <lunitik> paladin2: ahh... trying to share a connection via Linux box?
[09:56] <paladin2> yeah, reda the code of code of conduct
[09:56] <ivo_> when I do hibernate, it's perfectly go's off, but then when I restart i get the half of the screen
[09:56] <lunitik> bob2: I was being sarcastic... pretty sure COC allows for that?
[09:56] <Lanlost> uhm..
[09:56] <topyli> paladin2: so how do you plan to connect? wireless sucks a little more than ethernet
[09:56] <ivoks> Lanlost yeah, try with sudo, souldn't happend anything
[09:57] <cef> is it just me, or has cd writing just gone to hell since about 2.6.7?
[09:57] <ivoks> cef ? :)
[09:57] <Lanlost> ok screen turned off and on fast
[09:57] <Lanlost> when i sudoed it
[09:57] <eleusis> cef: hmm, has it? i'm still on 2.6.7..
[09:57] <ivoks> cef CD burning finally works
[09:57] <ivoks> Lanlost now try with lid
[09:57] <Lanlost> it works
[09:57] <cef> ivoks: I can't seem to burn audio cd's anymore
[09:57] <Lanlost> but it locks the screen too..
[09:57] <ivo_> i'm back
[09:57] <Lanlost> only when I close the lid
[09:57] <ivo_> but
[09:57] <Lanlost> if I type that in manually it doesnt
[09:58] <cef> ivoks: in either debian or ubuntu (hoary)
[09:58] <ivoks> Lanlost comment all xscreensaver lines
[09:58] <ivo_> does anybody know the problem i just say?
[09:58] <ivoks> cef didn't try... let's see...
[09:58] <cef> well, let me state that a bit better: I can burn cd's.. they're just stuffed
[09:58] <Lanlost> they are..
[09:58] <ivo_> what was the wiki page for hibernate?? you just entered here?
[09:58] <Lanlost> they don't even exist anymore
[09:58] <Lanlost> wouldn't that do that when I ran the script then also though?
[09:58] <bob2> ivo_: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[09:58] <ivo_> thanks
[09:59] <Lanlost> now that the script is decrypted let me send you it =P
[10:00] <Lanlost> ok it works now
[10:00] <Lanlost> http://home.columbus.rr.com/lanlost/lid.sh
[10:00] <ivo_> but in this wiki page they work with kernel 2.6.9
[10:00] <ivo_> sow 2.6.10-5 should do it
[10:00] <Cine> new problem.... *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt.prl', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
[10:00] <guru_> Hi, is there any problems with totem in Hoary?
[10:01] <ivo_> it almost does it
[10:01] <lunitik> guru_: with relation to what?
[10:01] <ivo_> guru_, i don't know, i doesn't work with me either
[10:01] <Cine> I installed the qtlib-perl
[10:01] <Cine> didn't fix it
[10:01] <guru_> playing videos, VCDs
[10:01] <lunitik> guru_: you generally want totem-xine for useful codecs (couples with w32codecs from wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:02] <Lanlost> ok it locks screen now but I can enter password and use it now..
[10:02] <Lanlost> but I still don't get why it does that
[10:02] <Lanlost> it doens't lock it when I run the sceip
[10:02] <ivoks> cef there... burning AudioCD
[10:03] <Lanlost> script.. only when I close the monitor.
[10:03] <ivoks> cef from mp3 to cd audio
[10:03] <Cine> *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt.prl', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.   this is the error i get after the "make" command
[10:03] <ivoks> Lanlost :))
[10:03] <Lanlost> did you look at that ivoks
[10:03] <ivoks> Lanlost comment/usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[10:03] <guru_> lunitik, am installing it
[10:04] <guru_> lunitik, thanks for help
[10:04] <Lanlost> ok..
[10:05] <phillipc> I have a network interface that has its module loaded, but is not recognized as a wireless card with iwconfig. Is there some service or command I should run to create the appropriate net files/links?
[10:05] <Lanlost> ok that worked
[10:05] <phillipc> (it's not recognized at all in iwconfig)
[10:05] <Lanlost> odd..
[10:06] <Lanlost> well thanks
[10:06] <Lanlost> I learned a lot of common sense stuff
[10:06] <Lanlost> haha
[10:06] <ivoks> what's odd?
[10:06] <lunitik> guru_: you will still need the codecs as stated on that site for useful codecs... but they play nicer with xine than gstreamer
[10:06] <ivoks> phillipc is that net interface wireless card?
[10:07] <phillipc> ivoks: yes. it exists as eth0 under the stock ubuntu kernel. I compiled my own kernel with the same config, and th emodule is loaded, but there is no eth0
[10:07] <Lanlost> its odd thats it was the screenblank line
[10:07] <Lanlost> you never told me to comment it before
[10:07] <ivoks> phillipc dmesg | grep eth0
[10:07] <Lanlost> or maybe you did who knows it works thanks
[10:07] <ivoks> Lanlost i use screensaver
[10:08] <phillipc> ivoks: ha, nice... there's an error there, I will look into it. thanks
[10:08] <ivoks> so i forgot about it
[10:08] <ivoks> phillipc wait
[10:08] <cef> ivoks: yeah going from audio cd to audio cd seems broken
[10:08] <Lanlost> haha thanks ivoks
[10:08] <ivoks> phillipc lspci | grep Ethernet
[10:08] <ivoks> phillipc lspci | grep Netowk
[10:08] <ivoks> paste outputs here
[10:09] <ivoks> cef try this: create audio CD from mp3, and then copy that audio cd to another audio CD
[10:09] <ivoks> cef u will see it works
[10:09] <cef> ivoks: yeah but that's lossy
[10:09] <ivoks> cef a lot of audio CDs have protection now and can't be copyed
[10:09] <ivoks> cef i have couple of CDs like that
[10:10] <cef> ivoks: I know this one hasn't, since I mastered the damn thing in the first place
[10:10] <eleusis> :)
[10:10] <ivoks> cef u can start xmms and for output choose disk writer so it won't be loosy :)
[10:10] <phillipc> ivoks: I'm on another machien so I can't paste. lspci | grep network => Intel Corp Pro Wireless 2100
[10:10] <ivoks> phillipc ok, and Ethernet?
[10:11] <phillipc> ivoks: Intel 82801BD. That is recognized as eth1
[10:11] <ivoks> phillipc wifi card is eth0 and ethernet is eth1? very strange
[10:12] <Cine> what is the diff between binaries and source?
[10:12] <ivoks> ?
[10:12] <ivoks> they are so different, like u compare cow and butter
[10:12] <Cine> lol
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Cine, binaries are compiled source
[10:12] <Cine> ah IC...
[10:12] <Choubaka> :)
[10:12] <lauren_> Could it be that the source is the bricks, and the binary is the building ?
[10:13] <ivoks> now it goes "what is compiled?"
[10:13] <donjohnson> ok all got configppp ok on warty live cd, how do I connect please
[10:13] <Burgundavia> source is also the plan for the building
[10:13] <lauren_> good point
[10:13] <Cine> so I can get the binaries for ktoon.... since I can't seem to get them to compile on my own... how do I install them?
[10:13] <lunitik> lauren_: thats a strange... but kinda legit metaphore
[10:13] <lunitik> metaphor>
[10:13] <Choubaka> source is written instructions for the compiler to generate machine code than the processor can execute... or something.
[10:13] <lauren_> better than semiphore!
[10:13] <ivoks> what is compiler?
[10:13] <ivoks> what is machine code?
[10:14] <lunitik> Choubaka: haha @ or something
[10:14] <ivoks> what is processor? :)
[10:14] <Choubaka> ivoks: technical terms.
[10:14] <lauren_> a processor takes in 1's and 0's and makes pr0n
[10:14] <Cine> lol... don't mock me... :'(
[10:14] <Seveas> pr0ncessor...
[10:14] <Choubaka> :D
[10:14] <lauren_> Dual Core no less
[10:15] <Choubaka> so it can take two bits at once!
[10:15] <donjohnson> i got pppconfig done, can someone tell me how to actually connect net now tnx
[10:15] <Tomcat_> donjohnson: pon? :o
[10:15] <lauren_> the 64 bits are a little scary!
[10:15] <ivoks> donjohnson pon
[10:15] <donjohnson> where?
[10:15] <donjohnson> root
[10:15] <Cine> well what do I do with these binaries that I've d/l?
[10:15] <ivoks> donjohnson write it on the paper
[10:15] <lauren_> I wonder if it qualifies as naughty bits
[10:15] <Tomcat_> donjohnson: As root, then call "plog" to see what happened.
[10:16] <Seveas> sticky bits perhaps...
[10:16] <donjohnson> ok tnx
[10:16] <Choubaka> Cine: what kind of a file did you download?
[10:16] <Choubaka> .deb?
[10:16] <lauren_> well time to make the D'Oh, nuts
[10:16] <ivoks> cef well, i'm listening to freshly burned CD
[10:16] <Cine> um... its a tarball... with 3 folders in it
[10:16] <Cine> bin, lib, and src
[10:16] <Choubaka> ok :|
[10:17] <Choubaka> evil tarball
[10:17] <Cine> supposedly I've d/l the binaries for the program I was trying to compile earlier
[10:17] <Choubaka> Cine: unpack it under /opt
[10:17] <Choubaka> create that dir if you do not have it already.
[10:18] <Proxi> hi there
[10:18] <Fackamato> ok
[10:18] <Cine> crap... gotta be root... whats the command to unpack?  or can I get to root from the GUI?
[10:18] <cef> ivoks: interestingly enough. I put one of the cd's into another player, and it works there, but doesnt work in my laptop.. the other cd's I burned had annoying regular buzzing every second
[10:18] <Choubaka> /opt is the directory for installing external binaries.
[10:18] <lunitik> Someone wanna help paladin2 with DSL configuration... I don't have DSL... /msg him
[10:19] <Choubaka> Cine: sudo tar xvzf file.tar.gz
[10:19] <cef> ivoks: sounded like it tried to burn audio as data
[10:19] <lunitik> Choubaka: or /usr/local/bin ...
[10:19] <Choubaka> lunitik: not for binaries.
[10:19] <Cine> do I tack /opt onto the end of that line?
[10:19] <Choubaka> they're a pain to remove.
[10:19] <Choubaka> Cine: no
[10:19] <lunitik> Choubaka: */bin is not for binary?
[10:19] <Choubaka> change to the /opt/ dir first
[10:19] <ivoks> cef well, i'm cluless, it works for me :)
[10:19] <Cine> oh, gotcha
[10:20] <Choubaka> lunitik: I mean, it's not clean to unpack random tar files to /usr/local/
[10:20] <Lanlost> nice vnc personal edition is nice I can resize the vnc window to 320x240 and it still shows full screen
[10:20] <lunitik> Choubaka: that is the recommend place, actually...
[10:20] <Lanlost> too bad its windows only..
[10:20] <lunitik> Choubaka: /usr/local/bin
[10:20] <Choubaka> lunitik: but that tar installs libs as well
[10:20] <lunitik> Choubaka: /usr/local/* is the only place on the FS that apt/dpkg ignores
[10:21] <lunitik> Choubaka: which can go in /usr/local/lib  :/
[10:21] <Choubaka> lunitik: stuff is difficult to remove if you put it in /usr/local/ :P
[10:21] <Cine> um.... only problem is the tarball isn't already in theat directory
[10:21] <Choubaka> Cine: it doesn't need to be.
[10:21] <lunitik> Choubaka: hopefully, things there don't touch elsewhere in the system...
[10:21] <Choubaka> just you.
[10:22] <lunitik> Choubaka: else, yeah... that would be bad   :-P
[10:22] <lunitik> Choubaka: source packages (tar.gz extracted) should always be in /usr/local though
[10:22] <Choubaka> I'll rather put a program into /opt/progname/* and symlink those to /usr/local/ if necessary.
[10:23] <Choubaka> lunitik: That's true
[10:23] <Burgundavia> zomg, how not to do a menu --> http://www.flexbeta.net/gsurface/lh5048/all_programs.gif
[10:23] <Choubaka> but this stuff is binary :)
[10:23] <lunitik> Choubaka: Debian isn't a huge fan of /opt ... :-P
[10:23] <lunitik> Choubaka: bah... binary... but no .deb?
[10:24] <Choubaka> yeah.
[10:24] <lunitik> Burgundavia: hahahhaha... that better be some fool fucking with concepts...
[10:24] <Burgundavia> lunitik, nah, is a really longhorn build
[10:24] <Cine> ok, got it unpacked
[10:24] <lunitik> Burgundavia: unfortunatly it looks like it could be a Longhorn beta screenshot  :/
[10:25] <lunitik> Burgundavia: wow
[10:25] <Seveas> hmm, mono 1.1.6 just hit breezy, /me is now very tempted to switch :)
[10:25] <Choubaka> wtf.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> lunitik, http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comments.php?catid=1&shownews=12884
[10:25] <Choubaka> Kill Longhorn devs now.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> scrollbars in a menu
[10:25] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:25] <Choubaka> and replace them with better trained monkeys!
[10:25] <Cine> next step is?
[10:26] <pupe> Hi!
[10:26] <Cine> oh... just double click on the damn thing
[10:26] <Cine> jeezus
[10:26] <eleusis> :P
[10:26] <Cine> finally
[10:26] <pupe> Alguien habla espaol?
[10:26] <Cine> been workin' on this damn thing for 2 days
[10:26] <Cine> thanks for the help
[10:26] <pupe> Alguien habla espaol?
[10:26] <Choubaka> no.
[10:26] <Choubaka> pupe: #ubuntu-es ?
[10:26] <Seveas> pupe, #ubuntu-es
[10:27] <pupe> thx!!
[10:27] <lunitik> Burgundavia: imo, those look fake... hopefully they are... else they are going in a bad direction
[10:27] <Seveas> Choubaka, damn you :p
[10:27] <Burgundavia> lunitik, I hope they are fake as well, but I doubt it
[10:27] <Choubaka> ooh, transparency :|
[10:27] <Burgundavia> lunitik, 5048 is an official build number for longhorn
[10:27] <Choubaka> I'd like transparency too :(
[10:27] <lunitik> Burgundavia: thats a shame
[10:28] <lunitik> Burgundavia: they are fucking p
[10:28] <lunitik> up*
[10:28] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:28] <tseng> who cares
[10:28] <Burgundavia> I see nothing there that would convince to jump back to windows
[10:28] <Burgundavia> tseng, "know your enemy"
[10:28] <lunitik> Burgundavia: I used about 4080* ... was ok... those look bad though...
[10:28] <ivoks> tseng we care :)
[10:28] <tseng> Burgundavia: we dont have an enemy.
[10:28] <lunitik> Burgundavia: just general idea... they seem to have neglected how people thing
[10:28] <lunitik> think*
[10:28] <Burgundavia> tseng, twas a joke
[10:28] <eleusis> what's fake?
[10:29] <Choubaka> I think most people will swallow that kind of shit too.
[10:29] <eleusis> oh
[10:29] <Burgundavia> longhorn screenshots
[10:29] <spiral> hi
[10:29] <lunitik> tseng: you define 'enemy' diffrently from 'competition'?
[10:29] <eleusis> haha
[10:29] <eleusis> scrollbar in menu
[10:29] <tseng> lunitik: i dont see any competition for ubuntu either
[10:29] <eleusis> not a bad idea, imo
[10:29] <ivoks> why do u care so much about microsoft?
[10:29] <eleusis> in some restricted cases
[10:30] <ivoks> live and let them live
[10:30] <lunitik> eleusis: not just that... seems main menu is that scroll bar
[10:30] <lunitik> tseng: then you are blind
[10:30] <Burgundavia> ivoks, I don't really care, but it is nice to see how other people are thinking about the same things
[10:30] <zeedo> Burgundavia: they are definitely not fake
[10:30] <tseng> lunitik: hah.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> lunitik, hey, that was unUbuntu
[10:30] <eleusis> lunitik: pardon?
[10:30] <carambol> whats happening with the server of the backports???
[10:31] <lunitik> eleusis: the items I see under the scroll bar there are main menu items...
[10:31] <cef> interesting.. the gnome cd player seems broken in my hoary setup
[10:31] <eleusis> Start menu, you mean..
[10:31] <Seveas> cef, describe broken
[10:31] <lunitik> tseng, Burgundavia: every Linux distro, and any OS directed at the desktop is competition to Ubuntu.
[10:32] <tseng> lunitik: no, its not
[10:32] <cef> Seveas: refuses to play audio cd's.. cdplay from cdtools works fine
[10:32] <lunitik> tseng: how you figure?
[10:32] <cef> Seveas: press play, it "tries" and then falls back to stopped
[10:32] <tseng> i figure, we arent competeing with anyone
[10:32] <eleusis> :)
[10:33] <tseng> we are making our own product
[10:33] <lunitik> tseng: if Ubuntu wasn't competing... it would be a bad product...
[10:33] <tseng> sharing good parts with other distros
[10:33] <cef> ahh this could be why: when run from a command line: ** (gnome-cd:17232): WARNING **: Could not open resource for writing.
[10:33] <tseng> give and take
[10:33] <eleusis> it's still competition
[10:33] <tseng> its gpl, dudes
[10:33] <lunitik> tseng: competition drives inovation
[10:33] <eleusis> and lack of competition doesn't make a bad product - complacency does
[10:34] <Choubaka> innovation3dodnf ajknfnqifwiebf
[10:34] <Seveas> lunitik, Ubuntu and all other GNU/Linux variants are competing with windows/macOS :)
[10:34] <tseng> kjfhfakjhrdeawjzomgwtflol
[10:34] <lunitik> eleusis: complacency is generally a direct relation to lack of competition
[10:34] <Choubaka> stop using a word that means nothing.
[10:34] <Seveas> tseng, your keyboard seems to be malfunctioning :)
[10:34] <eleusis> lunitik: um, no
[10:34] <tseng> i was venting rage
[10:34] <lunitik> Seveas: I disagree... every Linux distro is first competing with the rest... THEN with other OS's
[10:35] <cef> blah.. gnome-cd requires you to use the sound server *sigh*
[10:35] <lunitik> eleusis: I can state examples that support my point... can you?
[10:35] <eleusis> can you exhaustively prove your point? :P
[10:36] <eleusis> examples are just points, they don't cover the whole domain ;)
[10:36] <lunitik> eleusis: XP sucked.. because at that time, Microsoft saw no clear competition... now... they are competing with Apple and Linux... and they are forced to clearly make their product better.
[10:36] <eleusis> XP didn't suck..
[10:36] <lunitik> eleusis: yes.... it really does
[10:36] <eleusis> how so?
[10:36] <Choubaka> compared to windows products, no.
[10:37] <Choubaka> compared to what I like to use, hell yes.
[10:37] <lunitik> eleusis: other than a pretty interface... there was NO innovation with XP
[10:37] <Seveas> lunitik, not true...
[10:37] <Choubaka> compared to several other things, probably.
[10:37] <eleusis> hahaha
[10:37] <scizzo> ummm...a big competition today is security
[10:37] <eleusis> you need to read a book about OS design ;)
[10:37] <lunitik> Seveas: state an example that wasn't true of 2000...
[10:37] <Choubaka> lunitik: there was no aklsjdfj in xp?
[10:38] <scizzo> eleusis: you need to open your eyes and read about problems people have had
[10:38] <lunitik> Seveas: 3 years of NO innovation?
[10:38] <Seveas> lunitik, their attempt at a firewall and security center. The concept is nice
[10:38] <Seveas> just 1 example...
[10:38] <eleusis> scizzo: ?
[10:38] <Seveas> lunitik, the wireless network framework
[10:39] <lunitik> Seveas: I hardly classify that as innovation... they just took something from 2000 server... crippled it, and brough it to the desktop offering
[10:39] <Choubaka> eleusis: WinXP is still pretty much unusable as a normal uset.
[10:39] <Seveas> and there are more
[10:39] <eleusis> Choubaka: so?
[10:39] <Seveas> but i still hate windows
[10:39] <Choubaka> Though Win NT has a lot of good security features, they're all wasted.
[10:39] <lunitik> Seveas: none-gui related... name one
[10:39] <Seveas> had to set up a pc with XP this week, including some programs
[10:39] <Choubaka> because of bad design.
[10:39] <scizzo> eleusis: look...many people today...AFAIK does only want win because they think they know it....however the problem comes with security when the kernel has over 2xxxxxx open backdoors
[10:39] <Seveas> took me a whole day :S
[10:39] <Choubaka> eleusis: you don't USE a computer system as administrator.
[10:39] <Seveas> with ubuntu and comparable programs it would've taken less than a few hours
[10:39] <Choubaka> you USE it as user. :)
[10:40] <eleusis> Choubaka: sure you do, why not?
[10:40] <Choubaka> and _admin_ is as administrator.
[10:40] <eleusis> :)
[10:40] <Choubaka> it*
[10:40] <Choubaka> eleusis: no you don't.
[10:40] <eleusis> scizzo: um, ok..
[10:40] <Choubaka> If you're sane, that is.