[07:24] <duflu> Europe comes online and Launchpad times out lots :)
[09:58] <duflu> alf: We don't use the snapshot logic for screencasting, right?
[09:58] <duflu> And "screenshots" use screencasting
[10:01] <alf__> duflu: right and right
[10:01] <duflu> screensnapcastshot
[10:02] <duflu> thing
[10:02] <duflu> (tm)
[10:49] <tsdgeos> does anyone know at what point the SessionAuthorizer is created for qt apps?
[10:58] <alan_g> tsdgeos: during Mir startup - when the_session_authorizer() is called setting up the connector.
[10:58] <tsdgeos> alan_g: yeah i found
[10:58] <tsdgeos> alan_g: so i have a small problem not sure if you're able to help
[10:59] <tsdgeos> alan_g: basically the sessionauthorizer is calling things "too early" and my other singleton that is supposed to work together with it is still not ready
[10:59] <tsdgeos> i guess that's more qtmir than mir
[11:00] <alan_g> tsdgeos: yeah, Mir doesn't like singletons
[11:00] <tsdgeos> alan_g: well it's not really even a singleton (Well it is, but it's basically loaded by another plugin :D)
[11:00]  * tsdgeos checks when Gerry is back from holydays
[11:01] <alan_g> tsdgeos: so your SessionAuthorizer does stuff when created?
[11:02] <tsdgeos> alan_g: no, thing goes like this
[11:02] <tsdgeos> SessionAuthorized is created
[11:02] <tsdgeos> someone calls connection_is_allowed
[11:02] <tsdgeos> but the other thing we use to "naswer" connection_is_allowed is still not created
[11:02] <tsdgeos> so things go wrong
[11:02] <tsdgeos> unfortunately "the other thing" is in a different plugin
[11:03] <tsdgeos> so synchronizing them seems to be pretty hard
[11:03] <tsdgeos> more for me that have no clue at all about that code :D
[11:03] <tsdgeos> dandrader: maybe you know a bit about SessionAuthorizer/ApplicationManager ?
[11:04] <dandrader> tsdgeos, a bit, don't expect much
[11:04] <alan_g> Is there a way to block connection_is_allowed until the needed helper is loaded?
[11:04] <tsdgeos> alan_g: i guess that'd be it, but being in different plugins is not that optimal i'd say
[11:05] <tsdgeos> dandrader: do you know if/how unity8 finds out about apps that were running before it started?
[11:05] <alan_g> Well, I'm not sure why Mir would be started before unity is ready to handle connections
[11:06] <tsdgeos> because everything is a plugin :/
[11:07] <alan_g> But it doesn't need to be *started* when the plugin loads
[11:10] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, I recall that it didn't know about them
[11:11] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, but that might have changed recently
[11:11] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:11] <dandrader_> tsdgeos, as you already mentioned, Gerry is the one that has been working on that part
[13:37] <alan_g> camako: this bug is about the time taken by this test to run. Not about it failing (which I don't deny). https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1375211/comments/4
[13:42] <camako> alan_g, Before r1955, it was taking excessive time but passing jenkins... with r1955 (tried to address the issue of time taken) but the test itself failed on jenkins every time.
[13:44] <alan_g> camako: about the test - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/fix-1375211-v2/+merge/236989/comments/580795
[13:47] <camako> alan_g, so you're okay with the fix in there but not the test?
[13:48] <alan_g> camako: yeah. The test is well motivated, but flaky
[13:51] <camako> alan_g, if it passes jenkins, then no harm done by the test (or is that not the case?)... if it doesn't, then duflu will then agree to remove it.
[13:53] <alan_g> camako: the test, in effect, set a timer to 0ms and then tests that it expires in under 1ms at least one time in a hundred. Which is likely, but *not* guaranteed by anything we can control. (we're not a RTOS)
[13:54] <alan_g> think valgrind on slow, loaded build servers...
[13:58] <camako> I agree it's not a guarantee... but it's a problem if it fails with high probability. It's difficult to say it will. My thought is if it passes jenkins then it's good enough.
[14:00] <alan_g> That attitude is how we get annoying intermittent test failures. If a thousand tests each passes 99.9% of the time we have trouble landing.
[14:02] <camako> If that were true, yes... I'm just saying it'll be more convincing if you can get it to fail locally, for instance, by simulating a loaded server.
[14:04] <alan_g> I'll remind you of that when it goes wrong during an urgent release.
[14:04] <camako> :-)
[14:07] <camako> I understand what you're saying anfd they are valid points. But without evidence (and assuming it passes jenkins - which *is* a loaded server), it's difficult to support one-side of the argument over the other. Feel free to put these comments on the review and even disapprove.
[18:54] <robotfuel> kgunn: are you the person to get unity-scopes-api bugs triaged? I have this new top crasher today https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/72efb07867c31436ac312b1a5027bfa6ee90b0bd
[18:56] <robotfuel> kgunn: hmm never mind it looks like it might be apparmor
[19:00] <kgunn> robotfuel: for future, that'd be thostr
[22:10] <robotfuel> kgunn: I ran in to this on both mako and krillin today https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1360593
[22:10] <robotfuel> I unmarked the duplicate of the location services bug
[22:10] <robotfuel> :(
[22:11] <robotfuel> let me know if you'd rather have a new bug open
[22:11] <robotfuel> kgunn: ^
[22:14] <robotfuel> ah I see in the last comment you want a fresh bug.. so I'll do that
[22:14] <kgunn> robotfuel: also can you please attach a profile of the memory being used ?
[22:14] <kgunn> e.g. list of all processes and threads
[22:15] <kgunn> i'd be curious if this might be the damn OOM killer killing services
[22:15] <kgunn> it shouldn't
[22:15] <robotfuel> kgunn: sure, it's very low on memory
[22:37] <robotfuel> kgunn: this the new bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1377332 I grabbed extra logs so let me know if I can help with more
[22:39] <robotfuel> I have dinner plans have to run


[05:32] <SuperLag> How do you find out why a package is being held back from upgrading?
[05:38] <SuperLag> ah, figured it out


[21:24] <Guest73694> Can anyone recommend a WiFi scanner that has a decent interface?  (I'm happy with network-manager to handle connection to my preferred network, but I want to monitor things like: base station IDs, channel usage, signal strengths, etc)
[21:24] <Grey_Loki> Guest22740, I quite like wicd
[21:24] <LjL> GarfIIeld: then you probably can't *write* files to it to begin with, because you don't *have* the permissions. please describe exactly what you're doing and what errors you're getting
[21:24] <LjL> !java | R0b0t1
[21:24] <tr-33> I have installed Ubuntu 8.04 Server edition in VirtualBox. After I finish the install and try to boot from grub, I receive the following error: "This kernel requires the following features not prsent on the CPU: 0:6\n Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU."
[21:25] <JimmyRig> I've been trying to get my wireless card to work and its installed its not showing up on the network connections any more does any one here know about hp based network cards?
[21:25] <ikonia> tr-33: that is a known virtual box issue
[21:25] <R0b0t1> !multiverse
[21:25] <fwaokda> where can I go to see the new changes in intrepid from hardy?
[21:25] <tr-33> ikonia, so what do I do about it?
[21:25] <R0b0t1> LjL: Sorry, I already tried that page.
[21:25] <Kristie> what's the best tool on Ubuntu to download youtube videos on a dialup connection?
[21:25] <R0b0t1> Any other suggestions?
[21:26] <GarfIIeld> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59422/
[21:26] <ikonia> tr-33: it's a bug with virtual box, nothing can be done really (you'll find many bugs on bugzilla)
[21:26] <ikonia> launchpad sorry
[21:26] <LjL> R0b0t1: is sun-java6-jre installed or not? (apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre)
[21:26] <Kingcrusha> does any game with ubuntu?
[21:26] <TuniX12> Bohemian: it's not "old kernel" it's ubuntu fixes for the same kernel  2.6.24 for hardy
[21:26] <R0b0t1> LjL: 1sec.
[21:26] <tr-33> I guess I'll try the 64bit version of the ubuntu server
[21:26] <tr-33> thanks
[21:26] <dulak> tr-33: you need to get the non server kernel
[21:26] <Jowi> Kingcrusha, I'm an Urban Terror addict
[21:27] <tr-33> I don't want the non-server kernel :]
[21:27] <Kingcrusha> hey dul u wanna test somethin for me?
[21:27] <ikonia> tr-33: why do you want the server kernel
[21:27] <ikonia> tr-33: what functionality of the server kernel do you want
[21:27] <TuniX12> Jowi: what's this? ET mod?
[21:27] <JimmyRig> does anyone here know about wireless network cards here
[21:27] <R0b0t1> LjL: Yes, they are.
[21:28] <siimo> JimmyRig: >< i have same question, just purchased a laptop!
[21:28] <Jowi> TuniX12, nah, similar to counter-strike: http://www.urbanterror.net/
[21:28] <Kingcrusha> whats ur question jimmy?
[21:28] <davismj> !question | jimmyrig
[21:28] <ikonia> tr-33: what functionality of the server kernel do you want
[21:28] <dulak> tr-33: the problem is the server kernel expects certain hardware to be present, which is not present in a virtual machine
[21:28] <LjL> GarfIIeld: you can set the sgid bit of the /var/www directory to make everything automatically owned by www-data (chmod s+g /var/www)
[21:28] <LjL> err, g+s
[21:28] <dulak> tr-33: so, if you want to run server in a virtual machine, you have to replace the kernel with one that doesn't expect server hardware
[21:29] <TuniX12> jowi thanks for the link
[21:29] <GarfIIeld> LjL, So all I have to do is "chmod s+g /var/www"?
[21:29] <tr-33> i see..
[21:29] <ikonia> tr-33: what functionality of the server kernel do you want
[21:29] <JimmyRig> ubottu: I apologize I've never used this
[21:29] <dulak> tr-33: it's not that big of a deal, I have to do it in parallels: http://venturehosting.net/installing-feisty-fawn-ubuntu-704-server-edition-on-parallels-3/
[21:29] <tr-33> Well, I am going to be installing ubuntu-server on a physical machine soon, I just wanted to go through the install
[21:29] <dulak> tr-33: it's the same for virtualbox
[21:30] <ikonia> tr-33: install same as ubuntu alternative cd
[21:30] <Syrus6969> Ok, i tried what you said, and yet it still loaded IPv6 anyway and i still get that error..
[21:30] <rodiel> jazz jackrabbit 2 under wine won't start properly - the logo comes up, then a big blackness with a motionless, abnormally enlarged mouse cursor and no reaction to anything but cruel restart! plz help!
[21:30] <LjL> GarfIIeld: well, that will only make the files automatically belong to www-data, it won't make them executable. to make them executable, you'll still need to change your umask as i explained earlier, but then that will happen to *any* files you create, so not sure it's a wonderful idea
[21:30] <Kingcrusha> hey dulak can u check this program out
[21:31] <Kristie> anyone here tried downloading youtube videos on a dialup connection, with firefox?  if so, what plugin did you use?
[21:32] <LjL> GarfIIeld: you can always type "umask a+rx" (or whatever you want the permissions to be) before playing with www files
[21:32] <ikonia> Kristie: you need flash, thats it
[21:32] <rodiel> Kristie: vixy.net? :)
[21:32] <ikonia> Kristie: doesn't matter what connection
[21:32] <GarfIIeld> LjL: Error: "chmod: invalid mode: `s+g'"
[21:32] <LjL> GarfIIeld: g+s
[21:33] <Kristie> ikonia, having flash will allow me to download youtube videos for offline viewing???
[21:34] <ikonia> ooh
[21:34] <ikonia> no
[21:34] <R0b0t1> Does anyone have any suggestions as how to get Java applets to work correctly in firefox? The default does not work, and I have tried ubottu's link, which did not work.
[21:34] <TuniX12> Kristie: http://keepvid.com
[21:34] <Shizuo> is ubuntu tard-oriented?
[21:34] <Kristie> rodiel, i'm sorry, i didn't understand if you were trying to guess what url i was wanting to look at or what? :D
[21:34] <TuniX12> Kristie: past video link there and download
[21:35] <sd32> !flock
[21:35] <Robb_M> !info | flock
[21:35] <rodiel> Kristie: no i just recommended a converter
[21:35] <Robb_M> errr....hmmm..not what i was going for either :/
[21:35] <sd32> :)
[21:35] <TuniX12> !info flock
[21:36] <Robb_M> TuniX12: thanks, sorry forgot the syntax for a second :D
[21:36] <Robb_M> there ya go sd32
[21:36] <sd32> i get it thanks
[21:36] <Shizuo> LjL: Hai!
[21:36] <R0b0t1> Does anyone have any suggestions as how to get Java applets to work correctly in firefox? The default does not work, and I have tried ubottu's link, which did not work.
[21:36] <R0b0t1> It also has problems running certain desktop apps.
[21:36] <GarfIIeld> LjL: done.Now everything seems to work like a scharm. Greate thanks m8!
[21:36] <R0b0t1> ... I had it working on the same install before, but for some reason it just now decided to fail.
[21:37] <bonhoffer> how do folks here like to mount iso's?
[21:37] <LjL> !mountiso
[21:37] <Shizuo> !MD5
[21:37] <LjL> !msg the bot
[21:38] <TuniX12> !info recode >TuniX12
[21:38] <bonhoffer> LjL, thanks!
[21:38] <LjL> Shizuo, i sent you !etiquette, i'm not sure you read it.
[21:38] <Shizuo> Nope
[21:38] <LjL> then please do
[21:38] <Shizuo> If the bot allows commands from ordinary users
[21:38] <Shizuo> And that's not what you want
[21:38] <Shizuo> It's your fault, not mine
[21:39] <R0b0t1> :|
[21:39] <Geforce88> i have trash i need root to delete, how do i do this ?
[21:40] <R0b0t1> Geforce88: sudo nautilus?
[21:40] <Geforce88> i did that. comes up and says can't display the contents of folder
[21:40] <Geforce88> says "operstaion not supported"
[21:41] <BWM> Hi all. I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 beta, should I go to ubuntu+1?
[21:41] <R0b0t1> Have you tried it with a path?
[21:41] <TuniX12> BMW yes
[21:41] <BWM> Thank you :)
[21:41] <Geforce88> sudo rm -rf /.trash ?
[21:41] <BWM> And it's definitely BWM, not BMW XD
[21:41] <Geforce88> wouldn't that remnove the fodler ?
[21:41] <Geforce88> folder*
[21:41] <R0b0t1> Geforce88: Yes, it should.
[21:41] <dublpaws> the slash and . are swapped there.
[21:42] <TuniX12> BWM :D
[21:42] <R0b0t1> Well, not if its a hidden folder.
[21:42] <unitypunk> can anyone help me browse windows partition on a wubi install?
[21:42] <dublpaws> unless there is a trash in root directory
[21:42] <rodiel> guys plz answer... jazz jackrabbit 2 under wine won't run - the logo comes up, then a big blackness with a motionless, abnormally enlarged mouse cursor, total hangup. what to do? i saw someone posted this problem on the forum but no solution :(
[21:42] <Geforce88> it's .Trash , right ?
[21:42] <Geforce88> i don't want to remove the folder, just the contents
[21:43] <Geforce88> so if i cd .Trash, then i could remove it's contents ?
[21:43] <Kristie> Tulimaq, is there not something that can just download (without streaming) a youtube for offline viewing?  this is silly :/
[21:43] <prakka> then move into the folder and delete all
[21:43] <R0b0t1> Does anyone have any suggestions as how to get Java applets to work correctly in firefox? The default does not work, and I have tried ubottu's link, which did not work.
[21:43] <rodiel> Kristie see http://vixy.net for that, srsly :)
[21:43] <R0b0t1> ... I had it working on the same install before, but for some reason it just now decided to fail.
[21:43] <Helminthe> Geforce88: yes, it's .Trash (capital T), in each user's home dir
[21:43] <prakka> cd ~/.Trash
[21:43] <Jowi> when using mplayer in hardy - fullscreen - the image is not centered on screen (it is displayed to the left and cutting off some contents). anyone have the same problem and know a cure?
[21:43] <soho> for what is the /tmp-directory? which files are saved there?
[21:43] <Helminthe> Geforce88: install mc and navigate there to clen it up
[21:44] <Helminthe> Jowi: extended desktop?
[21:44] <TuniX12> Kristie: see http://keepvid.com
[21:44] <Geforce88> mc?
[21:44] <Jowi> Helminthe, nope. single head.
[21:45] <prakka> midnight commander
[21:45] <Helminthe> Geforce88: yes, "midnight commander", a console equivalent of the old norton commander
[21:45] <prakka> program really rocks
[21:45] <Kristie> Tulimaq, yeah i took a look at that site and it wanted to stream the video as i was downloading it.   not what i want.
[21:45] <Geforce88> this is nice, i do not have a .Trash folder in my home directory
[21:45] <hharvey> i have a problem that every time I restart my computer my MAC address changes between 5 different ones
[21:46] <Helminthe> Geforce88: sudo mc and check /root/.Trash
[21:46] <hharvey> any solutions
[21:46] <Helminthe> Jowi: other video players work as expected?
[21:46] <hharvey> i have a problem that every time I restart my computer my MAC address changes between 5 different ones
[21:47] <BCM34> !repeat | hharvey
[21:47] <Jowi> Kristie, no, i just tried it. at the you tube video page you click on the Keep it toolbar link and another page show with a download link.
[21:47] <Jowi> Helminthe, unfortunatley yes. gnome-mplayer show normally but is missing so many option I cannot use it. mplayer is a must for me.
[21:49] <TuniX12> Kristie: ? i'm TuniX12 man
[21:49] <Helminthe> hharvey: no need to repeat :) an ethernet card does not , ever, change its mac just like that, especially since you state it is in a specific address space. are you sure there is no application that runs "ifconfig eth0 hw ether ...." on startup?
[21:50] <Jowi> Helminthe, hmmm, just noticed it's only when using -vo xv. -vo x11 works as it should.
[21:50] <hharvey> yea i reinstalled ubuntu just to make sure
[21:50] <hharvey> and its still happening
[21:50] <hharvey> everytime it restarts it changes from eth0 to eth1 to eth2
[21:51] <eLuminx> would anyone know why my box would log me off everytime i burn something on k3b?  after the disc is successfully burnt the computer logs me off as soon as i hit "close"
[21:51] <hharvey> all the way up to eth4
[21:51] <Kristie> Jowi, bull......what happens is the video downloads AND streams, that's what it's doing in my browser
[21:51] <dextervip> hey,how can i know what's my actual ftp server?
[21:51] <Helminthe> Jowi: sorry, can't help you in this specific one because mplayes segfaults for me now with xv.. (I'm using beta stuff with nvidia proprietary driver). i can only check -vo x11 and -vo gl
[21:51] <Kristie> TuniX12, i have no idea what you were just talking about, i'm not a 'man'
[21:52] <Jowi> Helminthe, no probs. thanks anyway
[21:52] <Geforce88> srsly, where is the folder .Trash ? i don't have one in my home folder
[21:52] <Helminthe> hharvey: dumb question here, how many network cards do you have? :)
[21:52] <fwaokda> My title bars on all applications are "glitchy" how do i go about fixing this?
[21:52] <hharvey> i have 1 network card
[21:52] <hharvey> Helminthe: ^
[21:53] <Jowi> KrimZon, no - you should get to a page like this: http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DbPZJYQXQsm8
[21:53] <Jowi> KrimZon, sorry that was meant for Kristie
[21:53] <TuniX12> Kristie: please read your messages
[21:53] <Helminthe> hharvey: no idea, sorry. one hint would be to just replace the card. this definitely should not happen, no matter wat os
[21:54] <Kristie> rodimus, i see no option for converting the file to a file for 'Linux'.
[21:54] <TuniX12> Kristie: about http://keepvid.com
[21:54] <hharvey> Helminthe: it didnt use to happen on vista
[21:54] <Jowi> TuniX12, best downloader ever. thanks for that.
[21:54] <r00t_> hi,i have a flat screen lcd with built in speaker,the souond is really low and i cant find a way to make it louder via the  sound manager app
[21:55] <Kristie> TuniX12, sorry about that, i know what you mean now, was talking to the wrong person, hehe
[21:55] <Kristie> Jowi is doing the same thing i was, LOL!
[21:55] <BCM34> !sound | r00t
[21:55] <r00t_> Anyone know of some cool eyecany for ubuntu? i have compiz/kooldock and im looking for other ways to make ubuntu look slicker.
[21:56] <r00t_> whats the name of that applet program that adds widget/whatevfer you call them to your desktop
[21:57] <BCM34> r00t_: I know what you mean; hold on
[21:57] <Geforce88> Helminthe : i tried you suggestion, and in that folder there is not a .Trash
[21:57] <dasickis> how do i solve the problem of ubuntu not being able to partition a compact flash card?
[21:57] <TuniX12> Jowi you're welcome no problem Kristie :D
[21:58] <Helminthe> r00t_: some time ago, mandriva suggested a new approach for managing and adding functionality to application windows, called metisse
[21:59] <kubotaz4> dvd player doesnt read discs, says that Im trying to play dvd without libdvdcss
[21:59] <Kingcrusha> anybody a gamer in here?
[21:59] <BCM34> r00t_: gdesklets
[21:59] <BCM34> Kingcrusha: what do you need?
[21:59] <Helminthe> r00t_: I personally liked it a lot, you might want to check it. it does not rely or interfere with comiz, it's something else
[21:59] <Kristie> TuniX12, okay, so i went to keepvid.com, entered the youtube url in the "download" textbox and clicked download.  another page comes up, upon which the youtube video (or maybe some other video) starts streaming down to my computer, which I DO NOT WANT), i do as the instructions say to "click keep it" and when i do that it says there were no videos to download.  odd
[21:59] <Helminthe> r00t_: s/comiz/compiz/
[21:59] <Kingcrusha> Could u test this program? http://silverflux.sourceforge.net/
[22:00] <csilk> Kingcrusha,  what is it?
[22:00] <csilk> ahh I see
[22:00] <Kingcrusha> silverflux game player for linux
[22:00] <BCM34> Kingcrusha: nope, no commercial games
[22:00] <csilk> only supports 4 games!
[22:01] <Kingcrusha> u ever try to go beyond the four they give u?
[22:01] <TuniX12> Kristie:  you have 'downlod' just right-click and choose save as
[22:01] <BCM34> csilk: he is still developing it he wats someone to test it
[22:01] <Geforce88> i have trash i need root to delete, how do i do this as i have no user/.Trash folder
[22:02] <Kingcrusha> i typed it in terminal but no go
[22:02] <Helminthe> Geforce88: you most likely have something there from what was a mounted volume now disconnected, do a reboot and check again
[22:02]  * thomas_ is away: Occupé
[22:03] <SpinachHead> hi, if I run the beta 8.10 is it easy to upgrade to the official release or will I have to reinstall to keep it stable once it is released?
[22:03] <csilk> BCM34,  oh rite, didn't realise he was the developer
[22:03] <TuniX12> Kristie: put the link in the toolbar and hit download than you will have download links >>download<< right-click and save as
[22:03] <BCM34> SpinachHead: should be fine
[22:03] <TuniX12> >>download<< in green ok?
[22:04] <SpinachHead> okay....  Just upgrades have never worked well for me with other linux distros
[22:05] <Plz> SpinachHead: There are lots of bugs in 8.10 Beta just so you know.
[22:05] <r00t_> Helminthe, thanks
[22:05] <r00t_> BCM34, thanks
[22:05] <BCM34> Kingcrusha: it works
[22:05] <gnu> re
[22:06] <TuniX12> re
[22:06] <BCM34> Kingcrusha: are you really on .6 already?
[22:06] <Kristie> TuniX12, i'm doing that, hopefully firefox doesn't prematurely say the download completed
[22:06] <Kingcrusha> what u do?
[22:06] <Kingcrusha> yea
[22:07] <BCM34> Kingcrusha: downloaded and ran the app. I comes up. I have no games to try it with
[22:07] <owen1> how to make fnc+f7 (video out) work on vaio?
[22:07] <Kingcrusha> i extracted it but not exe file
[22:07] <Kingcrusha> *no exe file
[22:08] <fwaokda> how do i go about installing flash for firefox?
[22:08] <Jowi> anyone know of an up to date mplayer repository?
[22:08] <BCM34> !flash | fwaokda
[22:09] <Geforce88> rebooted, trying to delete a file that was downloaded via sudo, now can't find the .Trash folder where it is and looking for a way to delete the files in the folder
[22:09] <fwaokda> ty
[22:09] <Helminthe> !medibuntu
[22:09] <Helminthe> !medibuntu | fwaokda
[22:09] <Helminthe> !medibuntu | Jowi
[22:09] <Uriens> hi
[22:10] <BCM34> hi
[22:10] <patco444> The Best Online RPG / Strategy game ever : http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055
[22:11] <SkuenD> hey
[22:11] <Jowi> Helminthe, it contains same version that is over a year old i'm afraid
[22:11] <Uriens> does anyonw known why when I try to send a mail from shell using 'echo "mail_text" | mail -s "mail_subject"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I get this error: "send-mail: invalid option -- i" ???
[22:11] <SkuenD> someone here know's an ubuntu israely supprot group?
[22:11] <Kristie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lmB8XdwFQ
[22:12] <Flare183> !spam | Kristie
[22:12] <Kristie> you have GOT to see that hilarious youtube video about "orbs", for those of you who don't believe in ghosts :D
[22:12] <Flare183> !guidelines > Kristie
[22:13] <Uriens> anyone can help me?
[22:13] <Uriens> please
[22:13] <Flare183> !ask | Uriens
[22:13] <Uriens> ok :)
[22:13] <Geforce88> Where would trash be held if there is no .Trash folder in the users home directory ?
[22:13] <Kristie> Flare183, ah come on everyone needs a little humor once in awhile, wouldn't you agree? :D
[22:13] <Flare183> Kristie: Well, its the rules
[22:13] <RetrogradCulture> i had a friend take a pic at her house and what seemed to be an orb-like object showed up in the pic
[22:13] <Helminthe> Jowi: do not rely on version number, mplayer has been stuck at what they call 1.0 RC for a looong time, all the development is done in svn, and I think medibuntu is quite up to date
[22:13] <Flare183> !ot
[22:13] <RetrogradCulture> it was weird
[22:13] <RetrogradCulture> okay
[22:14]  * Flare183 is getting frustrated
[22:14] <Kristie> Flare183, okay, cool ;)
[22:14] <RetrogradCulture> soz flare
[22:14] <Kristie> Flare183, getting frustrated with what?
[22:14] <RetrogradCulture> <- noob to the channel, getting used to the rules :)
[22:15] <Flare183> Kristie: People not obeying the rules
[22:15] <nachomania> Can I install Lilo after an installation? I'm trying to find if GRUB is hiding my DVD drive
[22:15] <BCM34> Flare183: whom are you talking about?
[22:16] <tinman08> anyone kno how to get dell printer runnin
[22:16] <dhart> what's the best way to force a custom liveCD to use a specific xorg graphic device driver? I tried /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf, but no dice.
[22:16] <DarkFlash> hi nachomania! yes you can! you can use APT from ubuntu or debian
[22:16] <BCM34> tinman08: plug and play will not work?
[22:16] <nachomania> thanks
[22:16] <tinman08> nope
[22:16] <BCM34> tinman08: what printer model
[22:16] <nachomania> Well, they used to work in feisty, in hardy cd went missing, and now dvd too. They both have power though.
[22:16] <Flare183> BCM34: See PM
[22:17] <DarkFlash> nachomania you can use this comand from the shell sudo apt-get install lilo
[22:17] <nachomania> ok
[22:17] <nachomania> thanks
[22:17] <tinman08> 4410
[22:17] <dlisboa> anyone got experience with Ubuntu on a MacBook ? Any problems, disappointments...?
[22:17] <Jowi> Helminthe, sorry but medibuntu version is the same and has the same xv bug. guess i have to compile it myself to see where the problem lies. thanks anyway
[22:18] <ubuntu__> hello???
[22:18] <ubuntu__> um
[22:18] <tinman08> already tried to install the driver but stiil wnt work
[22:18] <ubuntu__> hello
[22:18] <ubuntu__> hi
[22:18] <Icarus> I have a question
[22:18] <DarkFlash> hi ubuntu__ !
[22:18] <Geforce88> .Trash folder is no longer used . it's located now instead in the /home/user/.local/share/Trash folder
[22:18] <ubuntu__> uhhhhhh
[22:18] <Icarus> hello all
[22:18] <ubuntu__> hello all 2 u 2
[22:19] <Kristie> Flare183, well, to be honest, i don't see a lot of Ubuntu support-specific talk in here, a lot of random chatter.  you could go crazy trying to right it.  take a look at the video (since i already posted the link), you might get a laugh from it, if you like parody.
[22:19] <DarkFlash> hi Icarus!
[22:19] <Helminthe> Jowi: then I think you should check with the mplayer support mailing list
[22:19] <ajunior> Icarus, hi
[22:19] <ubuntu__> what the hell is going on here???
[22:19] <ubuntu__> hi there
[22:19] <Jowi> Helminthe, i did. they recommended an up-to-date version :)
[22:19] <Icarus> does anybody know hyow to install software on my ubuntu ?
[22:19] <animewizard> WHERE DO YOU BUY UBUNTU
[22:20] <tinman08> like wat type of software
[22:20] <animewizard> IS IT CHEAPER THAN VISTA
[22:20] <Icarus> acarsd
[22:20] <Kristie> is there going to be anything new on the horizon as far as gaming and Linux goes?
[22:20] <kaervek> animewizard: No. Very, very expensive.
[22:20] <drog> testing
[22:20] <Kristie> tinman08, was that for me?
[22:20] <animewizard> is it worth paying for
[22:20] <BCM34> animewizard: yes
[22:20] <animewizard> i have only heard bad things about vista
[22:21] <tinman08> no
[22:21] <Icarus> yup
[22:21] <joran> animewizard: yes, but you can get it for free - ubuntu.com
[22:21] <animewizard> a friend told me about ubuntu and that it is better
[22:21] <animewizard> is there a professional version
[22:21] <kaervek> animewizard: ubuntu is available for free online @ ubuntu.com
[22:21] <Icarus> Ubuntu works fine:)
[22:21] <Icarus> very very good
[22:21] <Helminthe> Jowi: then try what they say, i.e. svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk mplayer && ./configure --prefix=~/mplayertest && make &&make install
[22:21] <Icarus> but
[22:21] <animewizard> is there a professional version of ubuntu for email
[22:21] <foreverendenial> how do you download adobe flash player for ubuntu?
[22:21] <joran> animewizard: it doesn't have a cut-down version like windows does
[22:21] <tinman08> go to the webste
[22:22] <Icarus> maybe somebody can tell me how to install software like acarsd or other prog
[22:22] <joran> animewizard: it's the full thing (i.e. pro) always.
[22:22] <kaervek> animewizard: No, not "professional" per se.  There are various versions of it available, all of which you can find descriptions of @ ubuntu.com
[22:22] <tinman08> ????? dell printer help
[22:23] <BCM34> tinman08: sorry, what model?
[22:23] <cookieofdoom> animewizard: You might find this helpful. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy It explains why Ubuntu is completely free. :)
[22:23] <animewizard> okay
[22:23] <joran> tinman08: throw it away almost certainly! dell printers are always difficult.
[22:23] <animewizard> is there a cd i can buy instead of downloading it
[22:23] <BCM34> animewizard: they will send you one
[22:23] <BCM34> !cd | animewizard
[22:23] <cookieofdoom> animewizard: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/purchase
[22:23] <Nallep> and bash/sh/dash experts here?is there any reason why dash doesn't understand  IFS=' \t\n' properly?
[22:24] <Icarus> I have the cd here
[22:24] <tinman08> Printer 922
[22:24] <Icarus> I downloaded it
[22:24] <Uriens> bye!
[22:24] <Helminthe> Jowi: if that version works, you can submit a request for it to be update in medibuntu too. if not, then the problem is in the xv driver which is a bit more painful to fix
[22:24] <cookieofdoom> Oh, there's a command. haha, I'll have to remember that BCM34. :)
[22:24] <tinman08> i kno that
[22:24] <animewizard> thank you
[22:24] <animewizard> god bless
[22:24] <animewizard> mccain '08
[22:25] <Jowi> Helminthe, yeah i will see which package the bug belongs to and file a bug-report for it.
[22:26] <amorphous_> why is there one machine that I try to connect to that constantly asks me to confirm authenticity? it doesn't seem to update known-hosts.
[22:26] <amorphous_> ?
[22:26] <importdezign> May I ask a Question?
[22:26] <amorphous_> ...or even known_hosts!
[22:27] <Chris_Foster> importdezign: dont ask to ask a question, lol
[22:27] <Chris_Foster> importdezign: just go ahead and ask
[22:27] <tinman08> wats the question
[22:27] <MrWizeGuy1983> anyone know if galaxium is worth trying?
[22:27]  * Netizen-online laughing
[22:27] <ukubuntu> Hi all, I have 2 ubuntu PCs on a network at home. Can anyone give me a link how to be able to see what my 5 year old daughter is seeing on her pc? Taking control of the PC is not so necessary but interesting if I can set it up without her knowing.
[22:27] <seekingtruth> hello
[22:28] <Ean> Hi all! How can I show the 'time' in terminal? Google just gave me nothing... :P
[22:28] <BCM34> ukubuntu: don't trust your five year old? ;)
[22:28] <seekingtruth> i have a HP Laptop that gives me an option to press F-11 to restore Windows.  Is this F-11 option stored in the MBR or somewhere else?
[22:28] <amorphous_> put the pc in a public place.
[22:28] <mongolai> ukubuntu, you can use the remote desktop viewer to spy
[22:28] <importdezign> Ok I installed my ati driver, ATI 3800 HD, everthing worked fine I had the effects settings up, then I went to resctricted drivers and clicked the run box i think it was and restarted my computer and now I have a white screen.
[22:28] <joran> Ean: date
[22:28] <cookieofdoom> @Ean: uptime should tell you what time it is.
[22:29] <ukubuntu> I have already caught her watching questionable youtube vids
[22:29] <cookieofdoom> oh, that too... *adds to his bag of tricks*
[22:29] <BCM34> ukubuntu: wow, a 5 year old! nice.
[22:29] <MrWizeGuy1983> ukubuntu, that's really disturbing, if you had a teenager watching stuff that would be one thing, i'd keep the kid off the net if she were 5 and into bad stuff
[22:29] <demontager>  I can't instal Flash10 on Ubuntu 8.04 64bit, where to get deb packet nspluginwrapper 1.1.2 ?
[22:29] <Ean> joran, Thanks, I must sleep - why didn't I test that?!
[22:29] <ukubuntu> mongolai: is there a link to info?
[22:30] <Ean> cookieofdoom, Thanks, ush 13h uptime. better go to sleep and take a walk tomorrow O.o'
[22:30] <joran> Ean: *chuckle* no problem, sometimes wood for trees...
[22:30] <ukubuntu> BCM34:  5 and autistic
[22:30] <amorphous_> ukubuntu, not better to teach her by having the pc local than to 'catch her out'?
[22:30] <Ean> joran, ;)
[22:30] <BCM34> ukubuntu: are you trying to spy on your wife? ;)
[22:30] <ukubuntu> BCM34: She could surf some sites at 2.5 years!
[22:30] <importdezign> Anyone?
[22:31] <BCM34> importdezign: what was your question?
[22:31] <importdezign>  Ok I installed my ati driver, ATI 3800 HD, everthing worked fine I had the effects settings up, then I went to resctricted drivers and clicked the run box i think it was and restarted my computer and now I have a white screen.
[22:31] <ukubuntu> If my wife ever got to the pc, she gets me to type in :)
[22:31] <mongolai> ukubuntu, google "ubuntu remote desktop". a lot of info. what version of ubuntu are you using on these computers
[22:31] <joran> ukubuntu: I would go for squid and logging or possibly apache as proxy
[22:31] <ukubuntu> Thanks mongolai
[22:31] <importdezign> your wife is playing stupid lol
[22:31] <joran> or perhaps dansguardian, if you want the equivalent of netnanny
[22:32] <Ean> cookieofdoom, Btw, when I wrote uptime I saw that I had 2 users, 2 with the same name. I sthat normal?
[22:32] <ukubuntu> hehe, I trust her more than myself :D
[22:32] <BCM34> importdezign: when do you get the screen?
[22:32] <importdezign> any idea how i get back to seeing my screen?
[22:32] <importdezign> o
[22:32] <importdezign> right after i log in
[22:33] <teckan> hi all. how can I change the list of daemons starting at boot time?
[22:33] <BCM34> importdezign: try booting into fail-safe gnome
[22:33] <ukubuntu> joran: thx for that I already editted etc/hosts, but had to make it so some youtube vids played
[22:33] <cookieofdoom> @Ean: I see that, too. I honestly don't know why that's there. One might be the root login for GDM?
[22:33] <importdezign> how?
[22:33] <ferretonthelus> what is the command for installing a tar.gz program?
[22:33] <ferretonthelus> sudo apt-get install?
[22:33] <Leimer> BE n00b
[22:34] <Ean> cookieofdoom, Ok, might be. Just got curious. :P Anyway, thanks again.
[22:34] <BCM34> teckan: go to system --> pref --> sessions
[22:34] <ortsvorsteher> ferretonthelus: you have to unzip and untar it first, then you can install it
[22:34] <cookieofdoom> ferretonthelus: is a compressed archive like a .zip file.
[22:34] <ferretonthelus> ok, i am a nube to this.....
[22:34] <teckan> BCM34, xmonad here. console based instructions, please :)
[22:34] <ukubuntu> mongolai: I am on 8.04 on both and will upgrade when beta is frozen#
[22:34] <joran> teckan: that's not services anyway
[22:34] <ferret_> ferretonthelus: try: tar xf filename.tar.gz
[22:34] <importdezign> how do i get to fail safe
[22:34] <BCM34> teckan: oh... no idea than
[22:34] <Leimer> Bwhahahhahaha
[22:34] <Leimer> Tachán
[22:34] <BCM34> Leimer: please stop
[22:35] <ferret_> ferretonthelus: then something like cd filename (or whatever, a new directory should have been created)
[22:35] <ferretonthelus> ok. i will try that.....thanks.
[22:35] <joran> teckan: I don't know of a gui, basically they're all in /etc/init.d/, that might give you enough info to start looking
[22:35] <hitman1985> hey guys, is there a program like quicken for ubuntu available ? anyone experience with it ?
[22:36] <BCM34> ferret_: he can just right click it and unzip or whatever
[22:36] <importdezign> how do i log into fail safe gnome?
[22:36] <ferretonthelus> oh, wait., then goto the new directory....and what?...
[22:36] <mongolai> ukubuntu, then remote desktop is super easy. on the target machine, go to System>Preferences>Remote Desktop, configure that then connect from the other machine using Apps>Internet>Remote Desktop Viewer
[22:36] <cookieofdoom> ferretonthelus: there may be a readme file there.
[22:36] <teckan> joran, i don't want a gui.
[22:36] <ortsvorsteher> ferretonthelus: then read whats in the README file there
[22:36] <joran> teckan: I mean TUI
[22:36] <teckan> i want to stop some daemons that I do not need at all.
[22:36] <ferretonthelus> ok.....thanks....
[22:37] <teckan> (ah, right)
[22:37] <joran> teckan : apt-get remove them
[22:37] <ferretonthelus> or am i thanking a bot?
[22:37] <BCM34> hitman1985: try KMyMoney
[22:37] <cookieofdoom> hitman1985: there is an online version of quicken that does runs out of your browser, I believe.
[22:37] <teckan> there should be something like /etc/rc.conf
[22:37] <ortsvorsteher> no you dont ferretonthelus.D
[22:37] <scientus_> how do i open a .bundle file??
[22:37] <BCM34> ferretonthelus: ubottu is the only bot
[22:37] <scientus_> its a program package of some sort and i dont know how to run it
[22:37] <amorphous_> can I remove a user from the user_switcher list?
[22:38] <ferretonthelus> ok. 8>)
[22:38] <ukubuntu> Thax mongolai I am guessing I can set it as a permanent ability to peek in ID will look it up and thx again
[22:38] <BCM34> scientus_: are you tring to install from source?
[22:38] <hitman1985> BCM34: ok lemme check into that lil quick ;)
[22:38] <Helminthe> teckan: ls -l /etc/rc5.d
[22:38] <joran> teckan: I would just remove them on ubuntu, on rh I would have used the chklevel or whatever it was called, been a long time since I've done anything service-based, and never on ubuntu
[22:38] <scientus_> no BCM34
[22:38] <amorphous_> Anyone know if can I remove a user from the user_switcher list?
[22:38] <hitman1985> cookieofdoom: i thought more of a standalone, i dont like quicken in particular just need some easy way to manage some money spreadsheets :)
[22:38] <tr-33> Hi, Who was telling me that vbox does not work with the server edition of ubuntu? It does.. you have to enable PAE
[22:38] <scientus_> its a binary BCM34
[22:39] <Chris_Foster> is there a way to get VirutalboxOS to streach the os to fill the screen?
[22:39] <BCM34> scientus_: and it will not run?
[22:39] <joran> chkconfig was rh
[22:39] <scientus_> no
[22:39] <ukubuntu> Autistics are clever! I expect she will be teaching me son enough! :)
[22:39] <amorphous_> anyone..?
[22:39] <mongolai> ukubuntu, Yea, I think that once it's set it persists on subsequent reboots. Using this you can see exactly what the 5 yo sees on her screen
[22:39] <amorphous_> :(
[22:39] <BCM34> !patience | amorphous_
[22:39] <ukubuntu> Thx all
[22:39] <BCM34> scientus_: what happens if you try to run it?
[22:40] <ukubuntu> Lovin the beta already :)
[22:40] <scientus_> unable to execute: text file busy
[22:40] <Helminthe> Chris_Foster: "host key"+L. you need to install vbox additions in the guest
[22:41] <teckan> for those who have the same problem that I had, the solution is sysv-rc-conf.
[22:41] <joran> is there a repo with more current kernels for hardy anywhere?
[22:41] <scientus_> BCM34, unable to execute: text file busy
[22:41] <BCM34> scientus_: try running from the command prompt
[22:41] <scientus_> i did, and from root
[22:41] <Reaverbot> Does anyone know how to install a .tar.gz?
[22:41] <jrib> Reaverbot: what are you trying to install exactly?
[22:41] <MrWizeGuy1983> Reaverbot, a tar.gz isn't an installation file, it's a zip file
[22:41] <MrWizeGuy1983> you unzip it
[22:42] <BCM34> !tar.gx | Reaverbot
[22:42] <soundray> MrWizeGuy1983: no, it isn't
[22:42] <BCM34> soundray: yes it is
[22:42] <BCM34> !tar.gz
[22:42] <kjetil1001> Anybody running intrepid on a machine(notebook) with nVidia?
[22:42] <MrWizeGuy1983> ok soundray whatever you say man, ubottu and i were wrong
[22:42] <Helminthe> teckan: isn't that a graphical application?
[22:42] <Reaverbot> I trying to install a game, I tried with some commands in the terminal, but it says "directory don´t found".
[22:42] <jrib> kjetil1001: #ubuntu+1 for intrepid (see the /topic)
[22:42] <soundray> MrWizeGuy1983: you were wrong, ubottu wasn't
[22:42] <jrib> Reaverbot: what are you trying to install ***exactly***?
[22:43] <mongolai> Reaverbot, what command did you issue?
[22:43] <Reaverbot> cd "prog"
[22:43] <Reaverbot> Or
[22:43] <joran> teckan: damn, I knew that, I just didn't remember! sorry.
[22:43] <exodus_MS> want to learn about linux, Ubuntu specifically, looking for a site that offers a complete learning experience
[22:43] <soundray> MrWizeGuy1983: tar.gz is a different filetype from zip. You can't unzip a tar.gz with softwware that's written for .zip files
[22:43] <Reaverbot> Don´t remember the other one.
[22:43] <jrib> exodus_MS: help.ubuntu.com and the links in !cli
[22:43] <jrib> !cli > exodus_MS
[22:43] <ortsvorsteher> !cli
[22:44] <mongolai> Reaverbot, you need to unzip and untar the file first.
[22:44] <MrWizeGuy1983> soundray, you're sounding like a freakin 5 year old, zip is a common place term for an archived and/or compressed file, anyone knows that, it's not just a file type
[22:44] <Reaverbot> How I do that mongolai
[22:45] <Helminthe> exodus_MS: http://safari.oreilly.com/0132435942
[22:45] <BCM34> MrWizeGuy1983: calm down
[22:45] <soundray> MrWizeGuy1983: it is important to be precise when using terms. It is wrong to use zip for any archive format that isn't zip. It is that kind of thing that confuses people no end.
[22:45] <mongolai> Reaverbot, if you're in a terminal session, the command is: tar xzvf (filename).tar.gz
[22:45] <soho> it's always wrong to use zip when you can use 7z. that is the point ;)
[22:46] <soundray> MrWizeGuy1983: also, be careful with personal attacks -- this channel is rather less tolerant than others (because it has so many beginner users)
[22:46] <MrWizeGuy1983> soho i think i might just agree with you, 7zip is quite useful
[22:46] <exodus_MS> jrib, Helminthe, thanks
[22:47] <Reaverbot> Yes, I do that, but after... what i do?
[22:47] <mongolai> Reaverbot, alternatively, you can double click the file in gnome and hit the Extract button
[22:47] <jrib> Reaverbot: what game are you installing exactly?  (for the third time)
[22:47] <importdezign> How do i get into gnome?
[22:47] <soundray> importdezign: have you installed Ubuntu?
[22:47] <importdezign> yes
[22:47] <BCM34> importdezign: do you have a graphical interface running
[22:48] <importdezign> whats that?
[22:48] <Reaverbot> jrib: red alert
[22:48] <soundray> importdezign: please use the nick of the person you are responding to
[22:48] <BCM34> importdezign: can you see a window and other things other than text
[22:48] <Reaverbot> Yes, I extracted, but is a .exe file.
[22:48] <BCM34> !wine | Reaverbot
[22:48] <MrWizeGuy1983> Reaverbot, you can use wine
[22:48] <Reaverbot> (I extracted it).
-yes i have the desktop version
[22:49] <mongolai> Reaverbot, what game is it?
[22:49] <jrib> Reaverbot: isn't that a windows game?
[22:49] <BCM34> importdezign: are you logged in?
[22:49] <Reaverbot> There is a linux version of it. Is the old command and conquer red alert version.
[22:49] <webas> i still cant sucessfully plug in my sony dsc-w5 digital camera..any help? i tried google but i havent found any guidance there
[22:49] <Reaverbot> So, I use wine?
[22:49] <centr0> is there anyway to force close an app?  mplayer crashed and i dont see it in ps aux.
-when i try to log in it goes to a white screen after loggin in. Im on my windows HD
[22:49] <exodus_MS> importdezign, just type the name of who you wish to respond to and press the tab key
[22:49] <centr0> but the window is still there
[22:49] <MrWizeGuy1983> yes Reaverbot you have to use wine to run windows programs
[22:50] <BCM34> importdezign: try doing ctrl + alt + F3
[22:50] <angusthefuzz> centro, there is a great force quit app you can place on your gnome toolbar, it looks like a broken window
[22:50] <soundray> centr0: clicking on the X in the titlebar didn't help?
[22:50] <Helminthe> Reaverbot: for this particular game, check http://freera.sourceforge.net/
[22:50] <joran> importdezign, BCM34: sounds like a compiz issue, I'm outta here, but that's a hint for you guys :-)
[22:50] <MrWizeGuy1983> importdezign, i think you might have to try safe mode ubuntu and see if that loads
[22:50] <importdezign> BCM34 - where does that get me?
[22:50] <Reaverbot> Ok, thanks, I have a tutorial of using wine.
[22:50] <BCM34> importdezign: text based
[22:50] <importdezign> MrWizeGuy1983 - I have tryed safe mode
[22:50] <Helminthe> Reaverbot: for other windows applications, codeweavers.com might help
[22:50] <BCM34> importdezign: login there
[22:50] <centr0> angusthefuzz: where would this app be located?
[22:50] <MrWizeGuy1983> does safe mode do the same thing exactly importdezign ?
[22:51] <Reaverbot> Thanks.
[22:51] <jrib> Reaverbot: check appdb.winehq.org for wine instructions for the game
[22:51] <angusthefuzz> centr0: right click on a blank spot on the panels around the desktop, its an app in the add to panel menu
[22:51] <importdezign> MrWizeGuy1983 - wait how do i get to safe mode lol, i think i tryed the fail safe option when i pressed esc at start of boot
[22:51] <angusthefuzz> centr0: its called force quit
[22:52] <importdezign> BCM34 - i will try that as well
[22:52] <keri> f
[22:52] <centr0> angusthefuzz: thanks found it :)
[22:52] <MrWizeGuy1983> importdezign, when you have the option to go to windows or ubuntu it should have other options, one of them should be safe mode or something similar to that
[22:52] <centr0> beautiful.
[22:52] <willwh> guys - I am having problems configuring sound capture using pulse audio - can anyone help?
[22:52] <angusthefuzz> centr0: glad that helped
[22:52] <MrWizeGuy1983> but importdezign has it ever worked?
[22:52] <importdezign> MrWizeGuy1983 - Sorry I have 2 harddrives one is windows and one is linux, one plugged in at a time for the moment
[22:53] <MrWizeGuy1983> did it ever work importdezign ?
[22:53] <BCM34> willwh: what are you trying to do exactly
[22:53] <importdezign> MrWizeGuy1983 - yes, i installed my gfx driver via the auto program
[22:53] <importdezign> set the options to full and then went to the restricted drivers and clicked the "run" box restarted and white screen
[22:54] <MrWizeGuy1983> importdezign, you need to get to the non-gui mode, i don't recall how to do that, and you'll need to fix your graphics drivers
[22:54] <centr0> my sound just crapped out after trying to run mplayer.. hmm
[22:54] <willwh> BCM34: record with my mic plugged in to the front mic port on my case
[22:54] <MrWizeGuy1983> anyone recall what keys you hit to go to terminal mode?
[22:54] <importdezign> f7
[22:54] <willwh> BCM34: mind if I pm you?
[22:54] <importdezign> or f1?
[22:55] <Firebirdy> ctrl+alt+F1 through F4 by default
[22:55] <Firebirdy> ah, and F5 and F6 too
[22:55] <soundray> importdezign: Ctrl-Alt-F1 (or any other F key up to F6)
[22:55] <importdezign> ok onece there how do i fix graphic card
[22:55] <BCM34> willwh: no
[22:55] <soundray> importdezign: did you install NVidia or ATI?
[22:55] <Firebirdy> importdezign: you installed the ati driver and now you have a white screen after logging in?
[22:55] <importdezign> soundray - ati
[22:56] <importdezign> Firebirdy - i installed it worked fine
[22:56] <Plagman> hey
[22:56] <MrWizeGuy1983> importdezign, it was envyng you ran right?
[22:56] <importdezign> then i went poking around in the restricted drivers area and clicked the "run" box retsrated and white screen
[22:56] <Plagman> my wireless adapter stopped working after I upgraded to intrepid
[22:56] <importdezign> MrWizeGuy1983 - yes
[22:57] <Plagman> getting "rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware." errors when trying to bring the interface up
[22:57] <Plagman> is this a known problem?
[22:57] <importdezign> i just need to reset my gfx driver back to normal lol
[22:57] <hspaans> Plagman: intrepid issues are discussed in #ubuntu-devel
[22:57] <Plagman> alright
[22:57] <Plagman> thanks
[22:57] <soundray> importdezign: once logged into text mode, open your X configuration file with 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'. Find a line that reads " Driver "fglrx" " and replace fglrx with ati. Save file and reboot with sudo reboot.
[22:58] <centr0> nm had wow running.  whats that program where you can use 2 audio src's at the same time?
[22:58] <centr0> alsa-oss?
[22:58] <soundray> importdezign: making sense?
[22:58] <Helminthe> soundray: a safer choice for start would be 'vesa'
[22:58] <importdezign> soundray - ok thanks ill try that brb
[22:58] <joerg> Test
[22:58] <soundray> Helminthe: we know that the default ATI worked, because that's what would have been installed
[22:59] <Weevils__> can someone help. i start up ubuntu and it says "fcsk died on check, press ctrl-d" i do and it goes to log screen. when there i cant access anything but the failsafe terminal...
[22:59] <soundray> joerg: failed
[22:59] <Azag> hi
[22:59] <joerg> Was
[22:59] <misieq> i can input octal by prepending 0, hex by prepending 0x and is there any way to operate on binary numbers?
[22:59] <Azag> the key ctrl (the left one) don't work, the right ctrl work... what can I do?
[22:59] <soho> Weevils; take a ubuntu live cd and perform a check with fsck
[23:00] <soho> maybe your harddrive is damaged
[23:00] <Weevils__> thing is i cant access my bios to change boot order
[23:01] <Weevils__> i was trying to get a second hd working before this issue and was told to do things to the fstab. after that it stopped workinh
[23:01] <Weevils__> working**
[23:02] <Weevils__> so, you guys think i should just trash this computer or what?
[23:02] <soundray> Weevils__: no, you've had good advice already
[23:02] <ikonia> Weevils__: n
[23:02] <soundray> Weevils__: see soho ^^
[23:03] <Weevils__> The live cd wont boot, i think the cd drive is like third on the boot order
[23:03] <soundray> Weevils__: why can't you change the boot order?
[23:03] <Weevils__> i cant access the bios either, i would ususally do that through windows but I deleted the windows2k partition before ubuntu went out
[23:03] <unitedpotsmokers> hi, i forgot the command, how to update system files using terminal? if i correct, there three step or command to update with terminal...
[23:03] <Weevils__> usually*
[23:04] <soundray> Weevils__: what's the problem when you try to access the BIOS setup?
[23:04] <danbh_intrepid> unitedpotsmokers: sudo apt-get update?  upgrade? dist-upgrade?
[23:05] <unitedpotsmokers> danbh_intrepid,  wait i want to try first,,, i think i used sudo apt-get update before..
[23:05] <Helminthe> unitedpotsmokers: the safe choice for ubuntu is sudo update-manager -d
[23:06] <danbh_intrepid> Helminthe: and without the -d
[23:06] <soundray> Helminthe: that does something different than sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:06] <danbh_intrepid> Helminthe: -d stands for development release, ie, intrepid
[23:06] <Helminthe> danbh_intrepid: CORRECT
[23:06] <unitedpotsmokers> Helminthe, why u said 'safe'. there are many problem if i use sudo apt-get update?
[23:06] <Helminthe> unitedpotsmokers: short version - yes :)
[23:06] <trinaryShift> Hello all!
[23:07] <runpain2> hello
[23:07] <soundray> unitedpotsmokers: no, sudo apt-get update updates your package lists only, which is safe
[23:07] <unitedpotsmokers> ok now it said 'Reading package lists... Done' so what should i do to install that update files?
[23:07] <soundray> unitedpotsmokers: what exactly are you trying to do? Upgrade to the beta release?
[23:07] <runpain2> need help with wireless on my HP Dv6747cl laptop
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[23:07] <trinaryShift> runpain2,
[23:07] <trinaryShift> hello
[23:07] <luckyone> hello
[23:08] <runpain2> yes hello
[23:08] <unitedpotsmokers> soundray,  im using hardy, i dont want to upgrade interpid, just want to update my old files thats all
[23:08] <Weevils> sorry about that, is soundray still here?
[23:08] <luckyone> so, I am trying to get my system to boot again
[23:08] <soundray> unitedpotsmokers: to update your hardy installation to the latest release packages, do 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[23:08] <luckyone> I am getting the grub21 error
[23:08] <luckyone> grub error 21
[23:08] <soundray> weevils: hello
[23:08] <unitedpotsmokers> before this i use update manager, but it is an easy way.. i just to learn basic command..
[23:09] <runpain2> trinaryShift,
[23:09] <unitedpotsmokers> thanks soundray
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> luckyone: what does grub error 21 mean?
[23:09] <ortsvorsteher> !grub
[23:09] <luckyone> ActionParsnip, can't find disk
[23:09] <webas> i still cant sucessfully plug in my sony dsc-w5 digital camera..any help? i tried google but i havent found any guidance there
[23:09] <Weevils> yeah, sorry about that I just get random d/cs is there a way i can run the live cd through the failsafe terminal?
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> luckyone: then check which disk grub is targetting
[23:09] <Riovane> Hello
[23:09] <soundray> weevils: not really. Why can't you access BIOS setup?
[23:09] <Riovane> Hallo
[23:10] <iarwain1> anyone here using irssi?
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> webas: does it show up in sudo fdisk -l
[23:10] <soundray> !hi | Riovane
[23:10] <unitedpotsmokers> i must save this command to note for remember in the future
[23:10] <hspaans> iarwain1: just ask the question
[23:10] <Riovane> Can anyone guide me to moving from gnome to fluxbox in ubuntu?
[23:10] <twfxfnf> riovane: yes
[23:10] <webas> actionParsnip - it doesnt..but if i write lsusb i can see it
[23:10] <iarwain1> could anyone tell me what this gives in his irssi? "/exec -o yes man man"
[23:11] <Weevils> well there is no option to anymore. I start up the computer. it shows the dell screen (i push all the f buttons but nothing) na dit goes straight to the screen where i select ubuntu or windows
[23:11] <soundray> Riovane: 'sudo apt-get install fluxbox'. After that, you can choose a fluxbox session before you log in
[23:11] <jrib> iarwain1: do not do that here.
[23:11] <Riovane> twfxfnf: Its a fresh install of EEEbuntu. where do i start?
[23:11] <Riovane> hah
[23:11] <Weevils> i would usually access the bios through windows but its not on this comp anymore
[23:11] <twfxfnf> your first problem is using ubuntu
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> webas: then maybe it needs setting to a disk setting
[23:11] <Riovane> twfxfnf: how is that
[23:11] <jrib> Riovane: install the fluxbox package.  Then from the gdm login screen, press option and select fluxbox as your window manager
[23:12] <soundray> weevils: iirc, F2 is for Dells. You have to hit the key at the right time, shortly after the screen comes on
[23:12] <twfxfnf> because you have this stupid login manager setup instead of a terminal -> startx
[23:12] <Riovane> I've already installed gentoo enough times and had trouble getting drivers working
[23:12] <twfxfnf> whereas you could easily change the "exec gnome-session" to "exec fluxbox" in .xinitrc
[23:12] <Weevils> k, ill try again
[23:12] <webas> i installed kamera ( soft ) and there i loaded some similar camera...and one of them seems to work but empty box..
[23:12] <jrib> twfxfnf: if you're going to give help here, then try to actually be helpful
[23:12] <soundray> Weevils: if not, it's Del
[23:12] <Riovane> so i'll use eeebuntu since geeentoo isnt working atm
[23:12] <soundray> Weevils: I mean the key
[23:12] <BCM34> I was in a pm with someone and I closed the window by accident
[23:12] <twfxfnf> what's with all the E's
 your first problem is using ubuntu
[23:13] <csilk> lol?
[23:13] <bavardage> get back under your bridge D:
[23:13] <Riovane> twfxfnf sry, I'm installing it on a ASUS EEEPC
[23:13] <webas> how to watch /var/log/ ?
[23:13] <twfxfnf> it's wet under there
[23:13] <Weevils> no im sorry but i get nothing
[23:13] <soundray> Riovane: 'sudo apt-get install fluxbox'. After that, you can choose a fluxbox session before you log in
[23:13] <twfxfnf> i like my solution more
[23:13] <twfxfnf> because it involves dismantling shit
[23:14] <omp> geeentoo is nonexistent =]
[23:14] <soundray> twfxfnf: please use professional language in this channel
[23:14] <owen1> how to convert ntfs or fat into ex3 (external usb drive)?
[23:14] <JetSilver> twerk741: What?
[23:14] <twfxfnf> professional language?
[23:14] <soundray> twfxfnf: avoid swearing and referring to faeces
[23:14] <twfxfnf> how is that professional?
[23:14] <Riovane> omp: it existed at some point, but then the site went down for some reason
[23:14] <jrib> Riovane: fluxbox is easy to use in ubuntu, just do what I said above
[23:14] <bavardage> twfxfnf: you must say "because it involves dismantling faeces"
[23:14] <soundray> !language > twfxfnf
[23:14] <twfxfnf> no i didn't
[23:14] <mansoor> Is it me, or does kde is really suck? :S It doesn't even look nice
[23:15] <twfxfnf> i said "because it involves dismantling shit"
[23:15] <soundray> !coc > twfxfnf
[23:15] <importdezign> soundray - hey i got in using gnome
[23:15] <soundray> twfxfnf: that's referring to faeces
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> mansoor: works for me, kwin is horrific, fluxbox is way better
[23:15] <soundray> importdezign: well done
[23:15] <Riovane> ahahah...
[23:15] <twfxfnf> i thought ubuntu meant "humanity to all"
[23:15] <twfxfnf> why are you yelling at me about using such inoffensive profanity
[23:15] <rogan> anyone have experience in installing Synergy?
[23:15] <soundray> twfxfnf: exactly, that's why we have rules like that here
[23:15] <importdezign> soundray - when i went to the file u told me to chnage it to ati there was no gflx
[23:15] <twfxfnf> if i start spewing out racial slurs, fine
[23:15] <csilk> twfxfnf,  is your sole purpose of being to troll?
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> mansoor: you  cant judge kde just by looks
[23:15] <csilk> *being here
[23:15] <bavardage> rogan: as in the HL2 Multiplayer?
[23:15] <twfxfnf> yell at me but
[23:15] <mansoor> I'm not
[23:16] <bavardage> rogan: I guess you could look it #steam or so
[23:16] <twfxfnf> who cares if i say shit while i'm helping somebody
[23:16] <mansoor> I'm just saying
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> mansoor: well, you blatantly are
[23:16] <soundray> twfxfnf: please, if you need to discuss the channel rules, take it to #ubuntu-ops
[23:16] <importdezign> soundray - also there was like 5 "xorg.conf" but they all had numbers behind it
[23:16] <rogan> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
[23:16] <mansoor> the one major argument people bring up to me is that it looks better than gnome
[23:16] <mansoor> it's just urghhhhh
[23:16] <twfxfnf> that's so stupid
[23:16] <omp> Riovane: all i can find is a repository of binary packages called "geeentoo", so it can't be anything special =]
[23:16] <twfxfnf> you erected the rules
[23:16] <soundray> importdezign: so what did you do?
[23:16] <twfxfnf> if i have to discuss them, i've already lost
[23:16] <webas> actionParsnip - can you look here at my log? http://pastie.org/295447
[23:16] <soundray> twfxfnf: #ubuntu-ops please
[23:16] <Weevils_> i want to throw this comp off of my roof damn...
[23:16] <importdezign> soundray - it would not let me edit any of them
[23:16] <jhaig> I want to do a for loop (in bash) over all files in a directory.  Some files have spaces in them, and so they cause problems for "for file in *".  Is there a way round this?
[23:16] <runpain2> hello
[23:17] <soundray> importdezign: did you do 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' like I suggested?
[23:17] <importdezign> soundray - also when i used the sudo cmd i could not open the file? or it was blank
[23:17] <CelticLord> nuit!!
[23:17] <twfxfnf> that's so lame
[23:17] <mansoor> and kde has an annoying fetish with 'K'
[23:17] <soundray> twfxfnf: can you please continue helping now
[23:17] <runpain2> i need to install the wireless driver on my Hp dv6747cl laptop
[23:17] <rww> mansoor: Gnome has an annoying fetish with 'G' =/
[23:17] <soundray> twfxfnf: or leave if you can't be asked to adopt a simple rule of behaviour
[23:17] <mansoor> it actually has a foot fetish
[23:18] <bavardage> rww: your mum has an annoying fetish with me
[23:18]  * rww uses gnome because it's the default and he doesn't really care
[23:18] <importdezign> soundray - how do i open it? i see the location and cant choose it and all i see is like "^r"
[23:18] <soundray> importdezign: ?? I'm telling you how to open it
[23:18] <Weevils_> would i be able to put the hds in another computer and format?
[23:18] <rww> bavardage: huh, so that's where she keeps disappearing to
[23:18] <runpain2> hey can a guy get help here
[23:18] <importdezign> soundray well then its blank?
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> webas: i'd fsck your drive
[23:18] <bavardage> runpain2: maybe two can
[23:18] <mansoor> microsoft bought the rights to unix btw
[23:19] <soundray> importdezign: no, you've probably typed a lowercase X
[23:19] <importdezign> soundray - when i use that  cmd there is no txt
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> mansoor: i doubt it
[23:19] <After_Math> Weevils, whats wrong my friend?
[23:19] <runpain2> hope so all this languge feaces
[23:19] <importdezign> ?
[23:19] <mansoor> Seriously, it happened in a dreaam
[23:19] <jrib> runpain2: best to just ask the channel your question
[23:19] <webas> fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=4bd627e9-0785-49ac-b7c2-82cd0ceb41df' ActionParsnip
[23:19] <importdezign> its "Xll"
[23:19] <runpain2> i did
[23:19] <rww> jrib: they did already. no-one answered
[23:19] <mansoor> WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
[23:19] <soundray> weevils: you could probably put them in another computer and fsck them from the live CD - no data lost
[23:19] <importdezign> soundray - whats the cmd again?
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> webas: maybe you got the wrong uuid
[23:20] <soundray> importdezign: you need me to tell you THREE times?
[23:20] <importdezign> soundray - yes
[23:20] <soundray> importdezign: 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[23:20] <Weevils_> well at this point and time i dont mind losing the data I just dont want two bricked hds =[
[23:20] <After_Math> lol
[23:20] <importdezign> ok
[23:20] <importdezign> =D
[23:20] <jrib> runpain2: then wait patiently and repeat it in 10 or 15 minutes if no one at the moment knows how to help you.  No need for the "Can anyone help me?".  It makes it harder to help others
[23:20] <importdezign> soundray - maybe 4 times brbr
[23:20] <webas> i dont understand..what? so what to check now? i can paste my dmesg log also hm
[23:20] <After_Math> importdezign, or 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[23:21] <soundray> Weevils_: still, formatting is unnecessary - you just have to find a way to run fsck
[23:21] <runpain2> i have the Ubuntu CE 8.04 loaded on a usb hd and i boot from it and it does not reconige my wireless card
[23:21] <trinaryShift> Does anyone know how to get java working in firefox on 64 bit Hardy?
[23:21] <jrib> !wifi > runpain2
[23:21] <jrib> runpain2: start there
[23:21] <soundray> After_Math: you're a bit late to this discussion. X wasn't starting
[23:21] <runpain2> actually it is kkubottu
[23:21] <Weevils_> ok thanks for all this help...im going to go put them in another computer and report back
[23:22] <soundray> After_Math: btw, please don't recommend sudo with graphical programs
[23:22] <jrib> trinaryShift: you can use open java with gcjwebplugin or you can install 32bit firefox by following the instructions in !java64
[23:22] <After_Math> soundray, ah. ^^ I just threw that out there because I cant stand nano :P
[23:22] <soundray> !gksu > After_Math
[23:22] <After_Math> soundray, ok
[23:22] <extor> what is the easiest video editor---from which I can snip parts of avi, mpg wmv movies?
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> trinaryShift: try icedtea
[23:22] <geenome> hey I have a webcam and it works and all but it has a nasty orange tint to it how do I configure it
[23:22] <runpain2> Thanks jrib
[23:23] <webas> ActionParsnip - i typed uuid in terminal..and it said - program not installed..so now im installing..i hope it helps
[23:23] <extor> geenome, install winders?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> webas: have a look round how to generate uuids
[23:23] <hspaans> webas: vol_id gives you the uuid
[23:23] <soundray> extor: please do not recommend this here
[23:23] <geenome> E: Couldn't find package winders
[23:24] <extor> geenome, which driver are you using?
[23:24] <webas> hspaans - vol_id no device :(
[23:24] <geenome> how do I tell
[23:24] <carandraug> webas: "ls -lF /dev/disk/by-uuid/" gives you the uuid of all your partitions
[23:24] <nylax> hello
[23:24] <Local-Host> hi
[23:24] <trinaryShift> jrib, what's !java64?
[23:24] <Helminthe> extor: if/when you find one as good as MainActor was, please post the info in the Ubuntu wiki.. I so miss that application :(
[23:24] <trinaryShift> ActionParsnip, what exactly is icedtea?
[23:24] <hspaans> webas: man vol_id
[23:24] <nylax> is the flash 10 for ubuntu 8.04 on adobe's site compatible with 64 bit ubuntu ?
[23:25] <geenome> Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd Flexcam 100
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> !icedtea | trinaryShift
[23:25] <jrib> !java64 | trinaryShift
[23:25] <Weevils_> hey would i be able to switch the hds around and use the empty hd to load gnome on and open fsck like that?
[23:25] <webas> i found some similarity..i will pastie.org wait
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> !find iced
[23:25] <WastePotato> Yo.
[23:25] <Local-Host> nylax: not sure, have you check to see what they have for downloads?
[23:25] <Helminthe> extor: otherwise, Cinelerra is an awesome product
[23:25] <lisa_> how can I see if my laptop webcam works on ubuntu?
[23:26] <nylax> i see a deb file that says Ubuntu 8.04. but doesn't say whetehr it was 32bit or 64 bit
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> lisa_: find out what chip it uses
[23:26] <WastePotato> What's the command to find out the kernel version I'm running in ubuntu?
[23:26] <extor> Helminthe, avid has also vanished from the freeware domain :(
[23:26] <lisa_> ActionParsnip, debunk
[23:26] <jrib> WastePotato: uname -r
[23:26] <trinaryShift> umm, sorry I have no idea what the ! or | operators mean in IRC
[23:26] <trinaryShift> :/
[23:26] <soundray> nylax: it's safe to try. If it's 32bit only, it won't work. Then you can adapt it with nspluginwrapper
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> WastePotato: uname -a
[23:26] <Local-Host> nylax: I dont think it would hurt to try i
[23:26] <lisa_> extor, uname -a
[23:26] <Local-Host> it*
[23:26] <WastePotato> Ah.
[23:26] <WastePotato> Mkay.
[23:26] <jrib> trinaryShift: it just makes the bot talk to you.  Just read what ubottu said
[23:26] <lisa_> how can I see if my laptop webcam works on ubuntu?
[23:26] <extor> lisa?
[23:26] <WastePotato> Thanks. :)
[23:26] <webas> http://pastie.org/295450 hspaans
[23:26] <nylax> ok i'll try it out
[23:26] <trinaryShift> jrib, k, thanks
[23:26] <lisa_> extor, type this in a terminal, uname -a
[23:26] <Helminthe> extor: avid has always been a very expensive and win32-only application?
[23:26] <extor> lisa, why?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> lisa_: find out what chip yu are running then find out how to drive that
[23:27] <geenome> does anyone know how to fix the tint problem with webcams in Ubuntu
[23:27] <danbh_intrepid> lisa_: try gstreamer-properties
[23:27] <lisa_> extor, for a surprise :)
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> !webcam
[23:27] <extor> I already know my kernel and OS, lisa_
[23:27] <lisa_> danbh_intrepid, gstreamer-properties?
[23:27] <geenome> it works almost flawlessly in gentoo and other distributions
[23:27] <lisa_> extor, just for fun, try it :)
[23:27] <Local-Host> !webcam | lisa_
[23:27] <exodus_MS> is there a place i can review all commands used in linux. i can search the man pages but dont always know the command i'm looking for
[23:27] <lisa_> see above?
[23:27] <Azag> I have a HP Pavilion dv2422la, it work perfect with Ubuntu but I have a big problem, the Quick Launch Buttons (multimedia buttons), don't work...
[23:27] <SpinachHead> hi, I can install without internet connection? How do I add the packages to configure the wifi though?
[23:27] <extor> Ok that was fun
[23:27] <danbh_intrepid> lisa_: yes, from a terminal
[23:28] <Azag> how can I fixed?
[23:28] <DarkShadow791> I want to install ubuntu, but i know a new version is coming out soon. if i install the current version now, will i be able to upgrade in the future without wiping my current install?
[23:28] <lisa_> is there a webcam program for ubuntu?
[23:28] <After_Math> lisa_, what ubottu said
[23:28] <jorffff> libertad y saludos
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> Azag: run xev and see if it generates interrupts
[23:28] <[amadeus]> n8 folks
[23:28] <lisa_> typing gstreamer-properties was a waste of tiome
[23:28] <owen1> how to convert fat32 to ext3 (external usb drive)?
[23:28] <soundray> owen1: backup, format and restore
[23:28] <danbh_intrepid> lisa_: did your webcam work?
[23:28] <After_Math> owen1, fdisk
[23:29] <lisa_> owen1, use g-parted
[23:29] <lisa_> danbh_intrepid, using what?
[23:29] <soundray> owen1: you can't convert and keep the data (not sure if that is what you meant)
[23:29] <Riovane> is it possible to have compiz fusion of fluxbox?
[23:29] <Azag> I run xev, and what I have to do now?
[23:29] <DarkShadow791> I want to install ubuntu, but i know a new version is coming out soon. if i install the current version now, will i be able to upgrade in the future without wiping my current install?
[23:29] <Riovane> is it possible to have compiz fusion of fluxbox?
[23:29] <exodus_MS> SpinachHead, you can install ndiswrapper from the install cd
[23:29] <Riovane> of = on
[23:29] <After_Math> DarkShadow791, yes
[23:29] <hspaans> DarkShadow791: yes
[23:29] <geenome> darkshadow791 yes
[23:30] <DarkShadow791> Thank you.
[23:30] <Helminthe> After_Math: please do not recommend methods that can wipe user data without warnings and details
[23:30] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrade > DarkShadow791
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> owen1: write the data to an external device, format it ext3 then copy the data back
[23:30] <jorffff> si instalas una beta ya sabes a lo que te espones
[23:30] <SpinachHead> how do i do that? exodus
[23:30] <usser_> DarkShadow791, yes u can upgrade but if its your first time then i suggest wait for a couple of weeks.
[23:30] <DarkShadow791> Will i have to redownload the whole thing or wiill the updater automatically work?
[23:30] <geenome> sudo apt-get upgrade when it comes out
[23:30] <soundray> Riovane: no, they are both window managers, you can only have one of the two
[23:30] <webas> carandraug - maybe you can check this ant give me a hint.. http://pastie.org/295450
[23:30] <After_Math> Helminthe, your right. I should be more specific
[23:30] <soundray> geenome: no, that doesn't upgrade to a new release
[23:30] <DarkShadow791> well i've used ubuntu before but i formatted my entire hd yesterday
[23:30] <chris__> how come i have no wifi :(
[23:30] <DarkShadow791> so i want to have just games on windows and then everything else on ubuntu, and i dont want to wait a week
[23:30] <usser_> DarkShadow791, updater is ran from withing your existing installation and only downloads updated parts of the system
[23:30] <owen1> ActionParsnip: soundray i have no data there. it's new usb drive.
[23:30] <exodus_MS> SpinachHead, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[23:30] <DarkShadow791> or two
[23:30] <lisa_> no, my webcam doesnt work.
[23:31] <DarkShadow791> usser_: thank you
[23:31] <After_Math> chris__, probably because you have no drivers installed
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> owen1: then just format it
[23:31] <chris__> the restricted drivers where already enabled....
[23:31] <soundray> owen1: then you can use gparted
[23:31] <owen1> ActionParsnip: can i do it with parted?
[23:31] <Azag> ActionParsnip: I run xev, and what I have to do now?
[23:31] <SpinachHead> no, I mean do I have to mount the cd?
[23:31] <lisa_> seems I need to keep windows :(  if Ubuntu supported my HP built in webcam, I could remove windows
[23:31] <SpinachHead> to read the ndiswrapper
[23:31] <After_Math> chris__, what do you get when you type iwconfig
[23:31] <jorffff> if you watns problems install vista
[23:31] <owen1> soundray: ok. i would like to try parted.
[23:31] <Riovane> Is there any eye-candy availAble for fluxbox
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> owen1: sure
[23:31] <chris__> lo and eth0 have no wireless extension
[23:31] <carandraug> webas: what exactly is your problem?
[23:31] <chris__> s
[23:32] <SpinachHead> I skipped all the package install sectio so I have no xwin
[23:32] <After_Math> chris__, I see, are you using network manager
[23:32] <wooboy> hi! where can i find good docs on ubuntu?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> Azag: press the buttons, do they react
[23:32] <chris__> yeah
[23:32] <soundray> owen1: parted is only for partitioning. You don't need to do that.
[23:32] <After_Math> chris__, does it show any networks by chance?
[23:32] <chris__> i click on it and it does not show the wifi networks :(
[23:32] <After_Math> chris__, I see
[23:32] <chris__> i also tried ndiswrapper
[23:32] <Azag> when I press the buttons, nathing happend
[23:32] <jrib> wooboy: help.ubuntu.com
[23:32] <After_Math> chris__, what card is it?
[23:32] <webas> carandraug i cant go into camera to get pictures.. it is not recognised..
[23:32] <lisa_> danbh_intrepid, didnt work :( Ubuntu doesnt support my webcam. seems I need to keep windows :(  if Ubuntu supported my HP built in webcam, I could remove windows
[23:32] <chris__> ndiswrapper says device present and stuff but yeah....
[23:32] <soundray> owen1: gparted will let you create a new filesystem in place of your fat32. You can do this on the command line, too -- do you need instructions?
[23:32] <owen1> soundray: ok. is there command line tool to format ?
[23:32] <jorffff> apt-get install obama
[23:33] <exodus_MS> SpinachHead, skipped all package install?
[23:33] <Azag> (when I muted the PC, the muted button change the color)
[23:33] <chris__> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[23:33] <owen1> soundray: it will be nice..i can also use google.
[23:33] <mtraven> Anybody feel like helping me out with a dead Ubuntu?  Won't boot after a partially completed upgrade.   I have a fully supported webcam for linux, and it works terribly.  For the webcam, stick with windows.
[23:33] <After_Math> chris__, are you sure they are the correct drivers? What version of windows are they for?
[23:33] <icheyne> Advice needed: should I install Hardy on my newbie friend's laptop, or should I go for the Intrebid beta?
[23:34] <soundray> owen1: use 'sudo fdisk -l' to work out the device name
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> danbh_intrepid: id say it sucks too
[23:34] <HoNgOuRu> how can I know which daemons are running and wich ones arent?
[23:34] <chris__> After_Math, i don't know i found them in a ubuntu thred
[23:34] <JulioNeto> hey guys! Do you know if is possible improve my graphic card support on Linux? THis is my G.C.  >>  VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> danbh_intrepid: but i dont use webcams as im not 14 so i dont care
[23:34] <csilk> danbh_intrepid,  hasn't this has any impact on linux webcam support? >http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams
[23:34] <Rideh> anyone have a good link for some documentation on how to create a ubuntu image for deployment via pxe?
[23:34] <csilk> *had
[23:34] <After_Math> chris__, I see. Are you using the new Beta 8.10?
[23:34] <SpinachHead> mount says the cdrom0 is write protected, mounting read onl? How can I get the ndiswrapper off the cd?
[23:34] <owen1> soundray: sdb1
[23:34] <soundray> icheyne: the official line of course is not to install a beta on a production machine
[23:34] <exodus_MS> ActionParsnip: :-)
[23:34] <chris__> After_Math, nope 8.04
[23:35] <DarkShadow791> ActionParsnip: Webcams aren't just for teenagers. I use mine for work all the time.
[23:35] <hspaans> mtraven: you're data is on a seperate filesystem?
[23:35] <chris__> couldn't get the beta to work tbh
[23:35] <soundray> owen1: 'sudo mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1'
[23:35] <icheyne> soundray: but what's your true gut reaction? ;)
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> DarkShadow791: its all ive seen them used for
[23:35] <After_Math> chris__, let me check on something. Really why not?
[23:35] <Helminthe> danbh_intrepid: drivers work fine a lot of the time, application-level support is sub-par. actively maintained and well supported applications will work, check ekiga and skype. others like kopete might fail miserably on the same system
[23:35] <Azag> ActionParsnip: I see the that when I press the keys nathing happend, I test it with dmesg
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> DarkShadow791:
[23:35] <carandraug> webas: here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=682744  you need something in your camera, not an ubuntu problem so it seems
[23:35] <chris__> After_Math, if it gets wifi working ill go for it :D
[23:35] <soundray> icheyne: if it was my friend, and I know I would be around to upgrade him to the released version, I'd go for intrepid
[23:35] <owen1> soundray: it tells me to unmount it.
[23:36] <soundray> icheyne: especially if it's a recent machine
[23:36] <icheyne> soundray: thanks mate - I'll do that :)
[23:36] <Weevils_> ok ok i have the second(blank) hd connected instead but its just sitting on a blank screen. why wont it boot my live cd?
[23:36] <mtraven> hspaans --  no not really (I'm trying to preserve the data rather than just reformat the disk, if that's what you are asking)
[23:36] <danbh_intrepid> csilk: well, I dunno in general.  But what programs work with a webcam?  Cheese, camorama, xdev or whatever its called, all are phail
[23:36] <soundray> owen1: 'sudo umount /dev/sdb1'
[23:36] <After_Math> chris__, haha, thats what I did, no Ubuntu has ever supported my wifi other then 8.10
[23:36] <Rideh> I want to create an ubuntu image for deployment to 25 machines via pxe. any good resources / howto's?
[23:36] <hspaans> mtraven: all your data is in /home
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> !pxe
[23:37] <chris__> After_Math, how do i upgrade
[23:37] <soundray> owen1: not umount (most people type unmount)
[23:37] <csilk> After_Math, out of curiosity, what wifi hardware do you have?
[23:37] <webas> carandraug i put my camera on usb..then i select normal..after a while i tried ptp..after a while i tried PictBridge.. none worked :( hmm maybe my kubuntu is too new?
[23:37] <After_Math> chris__, you might want to get madwifi, Im reading more on that now
[23:37] <soundray> *note umount
[23:37] <SpinachHead> hi, anyone know how to mount  the install cd so I can read it from command line?
[23:37] <After_Math> csilk, I am using the Realtek rtl8187b drivers
[23:37] <Helminthe> Rideh: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-unattended-ubuntu-network-install
[23:37] <Rideh> Helminthe: ty
[23:37] <soundray> owen1: arrgh -- can you decode what I meant?
[23:37] <After_Math> csilk, it was the new kernel version that supports it
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> SpinachHead: if you sudo fdisk -l you should se the device
[23:37] <mtraven> I've got stuff in various places on the disk actually.
[23:38] <csilk> oh rite
[23:38] <After_Math> chris__, Im not sure, I always download a fresh .iso. you get the new .iso?
[23:38] <owen1> soundray: got it.
[23:38] <Weevils_> ummm ,  i have the second(blank) hd connected instead but its just sitting on a blank screen. why wont it boot my live cd?
[23:38] <owen1> soundray: give me 1 sec..
[23:38] <carandraug> webas: I never had to bother with that. Not much into photography. Did you follow the link I gave you and tried that?
[23:38] <chris__> After_Math, i tried the fresh iso XD no luck stupid gfx....
[23:38] <hspaans> mtraven: you know where?
[23:38] <mtraven> hspaans, sure why?
[23:38] <SpinachHead> fdsik jjust has sda1, sda2, sda5
[23:39] <After_Math> chris__, oh, couldnt get no graphics working? did you check to see if you had the wireless though?
[23:39] <webas> yes.. and i even load kamera ( software ) i press there - test..and it sais camera test was sucessfull..hm..maybe i should go in my konqueror in some root/camera to mount it or load it? :\
[23:39] <After_Math> chris__, does ubuntu even see your card?
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> SpinachHead: does fstab show anything?
[23:39] <owen1> soundray: it's writing into the usb drive. cool. do i need to do anything else?
[23:40] <SpinachHead> the whole problem im having is how to install only having wifi and I dont know how to configure the card beforehand
[23:40] <Weevils_> i wouldnt mess around with fstab, thats ho wi got in this mess
[23:40] <hspaans> mtraven: for a succesful reinstall you need to remove some parts like /var /bin etc etc etc
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: its fine as long as you back up the original before you start playing
[23:40] <hspaans> mtraven: and choose during the install to not format the filesystem
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: then you can easily roll back
[23:40] <chris__> After_Math, lspci does :)
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: yuo only get in a "mess" if you dont back up
[23:41] <Weevils_> wish the people on ubuntu forums would have told me that
[23:41] <After_Math> chris__, k
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: makes sense doesnt it
[23:41] <soundray> owen1: yes -- for sanity you should use cfdisk to change the partition type to Linux (code 83)
[23:41] <Weevils_> yeah
[23:41] <owen1> soundray: fdisk still shows F32
[23:41] <SpinachHead> yeah, fstab had /media/cdrom0
[23:41] <soundray> owen1: ^^
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: you leanrned the hard way eh
[23:41] <chris__> After_Math, running update (update-manager -d)
[23:41] <hspaans> mtraven: but be awake when you do that to limit errors
[23:41] <jorffff> apt-ger uninstall bush-mackein.puf
[23:41] <chris__> upgrade*
[23:41] <After_Math> chris__, you might want to get rid of ndsiwrapper and try madwifi
[23:41] <Weevils_> thats putting it lightly
[23:42] <cherva> !girls
[23:42] <owen1> soundray: what is the exact command? fdisk 83 ?
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: i tell it to everyone i tell to edit conf files as it takes very little xtra space and saves mases of heartache
[23:42] <chris__> only 1099 packages on the upgrade :)
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> Weevils_: backup is the key to ALL computing
[23:42] <soundray> owen1: 'sudo cfdisk', then hit T, follow the instructions, when asked to enter the code, enter 83
[23:43] <mtraven> do what?  Looks like a message got dropped.
[23:44] <jorffff> janus me aleggro de verte
[23:44] <johntramp> hey is it possible to limit the total network speed over an eth device?
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> johntramp: you can limit it by app
[23:45] <SpinachHead> why does the cd install mount as read only?
[23:45] <SpinachHead> write protected?
[23:45] <owen1> soundray: let me guess, i have to unmount it before i use fdisk?
[23:45] <johntramp> ActionParsnip: ok, how would i do that?
[23:45] <hspaans> mtraven: which part? btw look at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> johntramp: its on a per app basis
[23:45] <soundray> SpinachHead: because you can't write to a CD that you booted from? Maybe I don't get what you mean...
[23:45] <soundray> owen1: yes
[23:46] <luckyone> so, I booted into Knoppix to try and modify my /boot/grub/menu.lst now that I have reconfigured grub to load from (hd0,0) instead of (hd1,0) but I can't modify the file
[23:46] <SpinachHead> oh, yeah yeah. I
[23:46] <johntramp> ActionParsnip: oh you mean if the app supports it?
[23:46] <SpinachHead> tired
[23:46] <SpinachHead> anyway, how do i find the packages on the cd such as ndiswrapper
[23:46] <luckyone> I ran these as root in knoppix - that still didn't work
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> johntramp: sounds plausible
[23:46] <soundray> luckyone: open konsole and edit it with 'sudo nano /mountpoint/boot/grub/menu.lst'
[23:46] <unitedpotsmokers> hello everyone, im using ubuntu now, do i need to install a firewall software like firestarter to keep my system safe?
[23:47] <jorffff> cat /etc/parts | zero
[23:47] <janus> the touchpad on a Dell XPS M1530 is not recognised by Ubuntu. Anybody any idea?
[23:47] <Weevils_> ups: nope
[23:47] <HoNgOuRu> how can I know which daemons are running and wich ones arent?
[23:47] <jonasfa> hello ubuntuers.. I'm getting little trouble here:  I must add my user to the group 'vboxusers', but when I go to System > Administration > Users and Groups, my user isn't there.. there's just the root user. shouldn't my user be in that list?
[23:47] <luckyone> soundray, I was su'd to root when I tried to edit it
[23:47] <owen1> soundray: cfdisk doesn't show my external usb drive, only sda1 and sda5
[23:47] <dekkong> Hello anyone here that is good at ssh ?
[23:47] <rainabba> I'm trying to do a netBoot install using a local Apache server using the ubuntu-8.04.1-server-i386 distro. Which folder should be the root of the HTTP server in order for this to work? (I've already got the PXE side of things working).
[23:47] <unitedpotsmokers> this is because i feel it safe using ubuntu.. is it right?
[23:48] <soundray> owen1: 'sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb' working?
[23:48] <jorffff> janus you must insthe beta version of ubuntu you need a newest kernelall t
[23:48] <soundray> luckyone: I see -- so your Ubuntu partition was mounted read-only?
[23:48] <luckyone> soundray, root@Knoppix:/media/hdb1/boot/grub# vim menu.lst
[23:48] <Weevils_> ups: yeah your pretty much safe. its not like your some corporation and somones going to try to attack you
[23:48] <owen1> soundray: yes. should it be sdb or sdb1?
[23:49] <soundray> luckyone: try (at the # prompt): 'mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdb1', then the vim edit
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> owen1: try banshee or amarok
[23:49] <soundray> owen1 /dev/sdb (not /dev/sdb1)
[23:49] <damien3> does anyone have experience with asm irvine32.lib?
[23:49] <soundray> ActionParsnip: did you mean owen1?
[23:49] <unitedpotsmokers> thanks Weevils_  for reply... how about anti-virus.. ?
[23:49] <owen1> soundray: ok
[23:49] <PriceChild> !virus | unitedpotsmokers
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> soundray: probably
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> soundray: cider exists
[23:50] <luckyone> soundray, you're a champ
[23:50] <soundray> ActionParsnip: you recommend banshee for partition editing?
[23:50] <unitedpotsmokers> thanks PriceChild
[23:50] <damien3> does anyone have experience with asm irvine32.lib? plz
[23:50] <soundray> luckyone: was that it?
[23:50] <jorffff> i damien3
[23:50] <SpinachHead> i took that irvine class
[23:51] <owen1> soundray: after i choose 83, what should i do? 'write'?
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> soundray: no i thought that was about mp3 device manipulation
[23:51] <janus> thanks <jorffff> i'll give it a try
[23:51] <luckyone> going to restart and see if I get back into ubuntu...
[23:51] <SpinachHead> I mean asm class with that book
[23:51] <soundray> owen1: yes
[23:51] <jonasfa> does anybody knows why my user isn't listed in the System > Administration > 'Users and Groups' dialog? I want to manage my groups
[23:51] <Danskmand> Howdy :-) - After I have used the fcpci driver that comes as default with Ubuntu and installing capisuite, when sending a fax, I get the error "Sun Oct 19 00:50:59 2008 Pythonscript 0x80f7fe0: Traceback: capisuite.BackendError: CapiExternalError: CapiExternalError: controller doesn't support fax services occured in Connection::buildBconfiguration()"
[23:51] <Danskmand> How can I make the controller support fax-services ?
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> jonasfa: are you asked for a password when you run that app?
[23:51] <soundray> ActionParsnip: I've no idea how you arrived at this impression...
[23:51] <Weevils_> ActionParsnip: I switched around my hds, now do you know how  I can get this live cd to boot and install on this blank hd
[23:52] <jonasfa> yes, when i clicked to unlock
[23:52] <owen1> soundray: i get a message about bootable partitions. should i mark it as bootable?
[23:52] <jonasfa> ActionParsnip: yesm when i clicked 'Unlock'.. there's only the root user listed
[23:53] <PriceChild> owen1: you should mark one as bootable to be safe
[23:53] <soundray> owen1: it doesn't matter -- grub ignores the boot flag
[23:53] <owen1> soundray: i think it's ok. i can see linux when i run fdisk
[23:53] <soundray> PriceChild: this is on an external USB memory device (owen1)
[23:53] <owen1> soundray: is it soo fast?
[23:54] <soundray> owen1: yes, it's literally one byte in the partition table
[23:54] <owen1> soundray: it only took a few secs. and i think i was standing on the 'bootable' option, that's why i saw this message.
[23:54] <PriceChild> soundray: ah, still, can't hurt 8-)
[23:54] <soundray> PriceChild: like changing to the other side of the road when you see a black cat?
[23:55] <soundray> :)
[23:55] <PriceChild> soundray: i've had ubuntu being annoying and not booting without a bootable partition somewhere.
[23:55] <Weevils_> I thought my live cd would just boot up if there was a blank hd in?
[23:55] <Weevils_> I switched them around and now i got a blank i guess dos screen
[23:56] <soundray> owen1: what PriceChild says is true: it doesn't hurt to set the bootable flag. (I still don't believe it matters)
[23:56]  * soundray is free from any affliction of superstition, touch wood.
[23:56] <owen1> soundray: already finished with cdisk. thank so much for the help!
[23:57] <PriceChild> soundray: heard of magic, more magic?
[23:57] <soundray> owen1: glad it worked
[23:57] <soundray> owen1: does it automount now when you unplug and plug it again?
[23:57] <soundray> PriceChild: no -- ?
[23:58] <PriceChild> soundray: http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/magic-story.html
[23:58] <owen1> soundray: no. i am using dwm. is there a way to automate it?
[23:58] <SpinachHead> i cant copy from the installer cd? still the readonly wont let me unzip packages to home dir
[23:59] <soundray> owen1: dwm?
[23:59] <owen1> soundray: unless it's already automated..?
[23:59] <owen1> soundray: dynamic window manager
[23:59] <soundray> owen1: I thought it was, because you had to umount it more than once
[23:59] <stickboy> anyone know how to get the amazon song downloader to work in gutsy 64bit?
[23:59] <owen1> soundray: lightweight window manager. a few lines of c code.
[23:59] <Rideh> Helminthe: Thanks for that link, it shows how to use pxe and have it preconfigured to an extent... how do you take it a step further with say openldap client, nfs etc?  or will i have to make a script of some sort to do this afterwards?