[10:03] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: so just set dhcp in the config-dialog
[10:04] <Borg^Queen> `I did
[10:04] <KaiL> and afterwards press "enable"
[10:04] <Borg^Queen> `I did
[10:04] <KaiL> and be happy (I hope)
[10:04] <Borg^Queen> Didn't work
[10:05] <KaiL> just doesn't get enabled?
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> Kubuntu doesn't like me
[10:05] <Borg^Queen> Nope enables for a moment and then disables again
[10:05] <rijad> lol anyone good at italian?
[10:06] <KaiL> interesting...
[10:06] <KaiL> let's go down to console level
[10:06] <KaiL> ifconfig in a console.
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> rijad:  Not really. Just the curses.
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> ok
[10:06] <rijad> "Esegui "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" per installare il modulo necessario."
[10:06] <Borg^Queen> ok
[10:07] <KaiL> uhm, what?
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> rijad: if I understood you. You need to enter your user password.
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> He's asking about a wrapper for  winware. I think.
[10:07] <KaiL> rijad: you installed it? so 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' now
[10:07] <Borg^Queen> Needs to install a module
[10:07] <KaiL> that's, what the like wants to tell you :))
[10:08] <KaiL> s/like/line/
[10:08] <rijad> auch...
[10:08] <rijad> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:08] <KaiL> and also do a 'echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules'
[10:08] <KaiL> Riddell: sudo?
[10:09] <KaiL> ..second with sudo too
[10:09] <KaiL> ops, rijad that was
[10:09] <Coffeeman> did kubuntu still buggy ?
[10:09] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: does ifconfig show an ip?
[10:10] <rijad> damn...
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> Yes
[10:10] <KaiL> ...an ipv4 IP for eth0 to be more exact
[10:10] <rijad> what the hell...
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> wait
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> nope
[10:10] <KaiL> but eth0 is there?
[10:10] <Borg^Queen> nope
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> Its all missint
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> missing even
[10:11] <KaiL> bad
[10:11] <KaiL> even deeper..
[10:11] <Coffeeman> can i installl separete packages like kfax or just the hoje kdegraphics ?
[10:11] <Borg^Queen> There are two cards in the board
[10:11] <KaiL> Coffeeman: can both
[10:11] <Coffeeman> really ? how ?
[10:12] <KaiL> apt-get install kfax or apt-get install kdegraphics
[10:12] <KaiL> :)
[10:12] <KaiL> grr, sudo....
[10:12] <Coffeeman> KaiL, i cant find kfax on synaptic
[10:12] <KaiL> universe/graphics
[10:12] <rijad> damn, i think i'll jump back to gonme...
[10:12] <Borg^Queen> Coffeeman: I think its on kdenetwork or the like
[10:13] <KaiL> it's kdegraphics, but you need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:13] <Coffeeman> Borg^Queen, i know.. and thats my question... if i can install single packages.. or only the hole kdenetwork for example...
[10:13] <KaiL> rijad: that doesn't help.
[10:13] <Borg^Queen> Coffeeman: the whole thing
[10:13] <rijad> well it worked there
[10:13] <KaiL> rijad: you did 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[10:13] <Borg^Queen> Its not a single package. However you can hunt for it on kde-apps.org
[10:14] <KaiL> ...do not forget the sudo :))
[10:14] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: you have 2 nics?
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> Aye
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> 100mbp and a gigalan
[10:14] <Coffeeman> Borg^Queen, ok... is just because im comming from gentoo... and in gentoo you can select single pakages...
[10:14] <rijad> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:14] <Borg^Queen> Coffeeman: Aye, I know
[10:14] <rijad> yes i did that: Here's the nice output
[10:14] <rijad> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:14] <KaiL> rijad: with sudo?!?
[10:15] <rijad> WITH SUDO
[10:15] <KaiL> wtf?
[10:15] <KaiL> well... version b:
[10:15] <Borg^Queen> It would seem kubuntu and ubuntu are suffering from problems associated to sudo
[10:15] <KaiL> echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[10:15] <KaiL> and then reboot :)
[10:15] <KaiL> this sudo is really annoying
[10:16] <rijad> lol...
[10:16] <Borg^Queen> Which is why kubuntu and others using sudo will not last
[10:16] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: cat /proc/interrupts
[10:16] <rijad> rijad@enzon:~$ echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[10:16] <rijad> bash: /etc/modules: tkomst nekas
[10:16] <rijad> rijad@enzon:~$ sudo echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
[10:16] <rijad> bash: /etc/modules: tkomst nekas
[10:16] <KaiL> rijad: means?
[10:16] <Gentix> any ex gentoo users here???
[10:16] <rijad> tkomst nekas : permission denied
[10:16] <Coffeeman> Gentix, im thinking :)
[10:17] <KaiL> somethink is wrong with your sudo.....
[10:17] <Gentix> Coffeeman: it aint the same as compilining right?
[10:17] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: is there any eth* in that list?
[10:17] <rijad> well your more than welcome to fix it
[10:17] <Gentix> hopefully not a -u world... I can go nuts over those ones
[10:17] <Coffeeman> Gentix, until now... pros and cons... :p
[10:18] <Borg^Queen> eth1 is the 100mbp port
[10:18] <rijad> i'll reboot and we will see if it helps
[10:18] <Gentix> Coffeeman: what are the biggest cons?
[10:18] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: hmm
[10:18] <Gentix> Coffeeman: maybe I can live with those
[10:18] <KaiL> try 'ifconfig eth0 up'
[10:18] <KaiL> and look at the ifconfig output afaik
[10:18] <Coffeeman> Gentix, im a kde user... and kunbutu it seems still little buggy... and you cant install single pakages...
[10:19] <Borg^Queen> I think I got it!
[10:19] <KaiL> and look, if the cable is on the right card *gg*
[10:19] <Borg^Queen> It is.
[10:19] <Gentix> Coffeeman: hmmm then maybe i should compile kde from cvs
[10:19] <Coffeeman> Gentix, only free software alowed.... so mplayer libs by hand and stuff...
[10:19] <Gentix> Coffeeman: Ah. Thats an important one ;)
[10:20] <KaiL> Coffeeman: enable universe (and maybe multiverse) in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <Coffeeman> KaiL, howto...
[10:20] <KaiL> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <KaiL> and hunt down some #
[10:21] <Borg^Queen> I got it. It's odd but with each adjustment you need to hit apply and open it all up again.
[10:21] <zack> amu: hey; have you not seen my mail in your inbox?
[10:21] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: interesting
[10:21] <KaiL> let's hope, knetworkconf will get better
[10:21] <Coffeeman> just a second
[10:21] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: aye
[10:22] <KaiL> at least we know now about this :)
[10:22] <BorgQueen2> Hello its another me
[10:22] <Borg^Queen> Hello me
[10:22] <Coffeeman> KaiL, java on universe ?
[10:22] <BorgQueen2> Hello me
[10:22] <BorgQueen2> Don't we look wonderful
[10:22] <Borg^Queen> Yes we do
[10:23] <KaiL> Coffeeman: don't ask me about Java, else the answer isn't good for your children...
[10:23] <hinni> @kaiL: Back again! Well, everything works. only some Problems with some of the 3D screensavers. I suppose Win 98 FE doesn't really get this right....
[10:23] <KaiL> hinni: crash with them? :)
[10:23] <Coffeeman> KaiL, giveme the anser baby :)
[10:23] <hinni> Yepp! :o)
[10:24] <BorgQueen2> I thought this had synaptic
[10:24] <Coffeeman> Gentix, is seems Very fast...
[10:24] <KaiL> Coffeeman: in short: java has the most idiotic licence I've ever see or I could even imagine...
[10:24] <March-RX8> hello
[10:24] <Gentix> Coffeeman: i believe java is black down jre is the one you want
[10:24] <Coffeeman> KaiL, hell i need for work :)
[10:24] <KaiL> Coffeeman: I have the same problem
[10:24] <BorgQueen2> KaiL: kubuntu doesn't have synaptic?
[10:25] <KaiL> install it manually from java.sun.com
[10:25] <allee> KaiL: nothing wrong with sudo  (sudo echo ... >> /etc/modules).  you redirect sudo output not echo output ;)
[10:25] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: you still can install the gnome stuff (as synaptic)
[10:25] <Borg^Queen> but where?
[10:25] <Coffeeman> KaiL, couldint find mplayer
[10:25] <KaiL> allee: so we need sudo "echo..."?
[10:25] <March-RX8> could someone help me,how can i update the list of packages?
[10:26] <KaiL> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:26] <KaiL> add that for mplayer
[10:26] <allee> KaiL:  maybe "sudo "echo ... > ...".  I to lazy to type my long passwords ;)
[10:26] <Gentix> Coffeeman: i believe it's not there
[10:26] <KaiL> ...or just use xine, which doesn't suck that much :p
[10:26] <allee> I prefer "kdesu -- konsole --workdir /root" ;)
[10:27] <Gentix> Coffeeman: I searched for mplayer for debian
[10:27] <Gentix> Coffeeman: I couldn't find it
[10:27] <Coffeeman> Gentix,  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main} resolv this problem
[10:27] <KaiL> allee: but then, why doesn't 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' work?
[10:28] <Gentix> Coffeeman: that's for unstable
[10:28] <Coffeeman> Gentix, yeah... :/
[10:28] <Gentix> Coffeeman: I'm never going back to unstable again! NEVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
[10:28] <KaiL> Gentix: and kubuntu is close to debian/unstable :)
[10:29] <allee> KaiL: because >> is interpreted by the current shell even before sudo is started.  "sudo modprobe .." is not shell special chars like > & ( ...
[10:29] <Coffeeman> Gentix,  hahahahahhaa
[10:29] <KaiL> Gentix: then set "testing" there
[10:29] <Gentix> KaiL: that's ll I needed to hear!
[10:29] <KaiL> or even "stable"
[10:29] <Gentix> THANKS ALOT!!!! ;)
[10:29] <KaiL> kubuntu is as fresh (if not fresher) as unstable, but without the bugs
[10:30] <KaiL> marillat has stable/testing/unstable for his stuff
[10:30] <Gentix> Oh lord! Where will I find a dist wich satisfies my needs!
[10:30] <allee> KaiL:  wait some months and lets task about fresh again ;)
[10:30] <KaiL> here :P
[10:30] <Coffeeman> Gentix, i dont know as well :(
[10:30] <Gentix> preferbly a dist wich doesn't use rpm's
[10:30] <Gentix> I hate rpm's
[10:30] <Coffeeman> Gentix, RPM neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
[10:31] <KaiL> allee: I bet there will be another kubuntu release, before sarge get released
[10:31] <KaiL> ...if that happenes ever
[10:31] <BorgQueen2> yeah
[10:31] <Coffeeman> Gentix, ubuntu is very inpresive.... but is gnome :p
[10:31] <KaiL> Coffeeman: that's why we have kubuntu
[10:31] <BorgQueen2> How do I get baghira with apt?
[10:31] <Gentix> Coffeeman: yes, and some info in my dna aint compatible with gtk
[10:31] <March-RX8> hey,could someone help me,how can i update the list of packages?
[10:32] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: search apt-get.org
[10:32] <BorgQueen2> same here
[10:32] <Coffeeman> Gentix, hahaha lol
[10:32] <KaiL> oh, or just install "kwin-baghira"
[10:32] <thoreauputic> March-RX8: sudo apt-get update
[10:32] <KaiL> Riddell: wb
[10:32] <rijad> blaaah... nothing works...
[10:32] <March-RX8> then i can have the list in kynaptic up to date too?
[10:32] <KaiL> I found the way to get the echo working
[10:33] <Coffeeman> Gentix, im a QT lover... but ubunt wort a shot....  i hope kubuntu become stable very son, then i will swich...
[10:33] <KaiL> sudo "echo ndiswrapper >>/etc/modules"
[10:33] <KaiL> see the ""
[10:33] <thoreauputic> March-RX8: kynaptic is just a pretty front end for apt, so yes
[10:33] <Coffeeman> Gentix, i cannot handle compile times anymore...
[10:33] <Gentix> Coffeeman: neither can I
[10:33] <Gentix> I'll see what I can find
[10:33] <rijad> Kail: you mean me?
[10:33] <KaiL> rijad: yes
[10:34] <Gentix> gotta go
[10:34] <Borg^Queen> later
[10:34] <rijad> sudo: echo ndiswrapper >>/etc/modules: command not found
[10:34] <Gentix> thanx for everything!
[10:34] <Gentix> Later!
[10:34] <Coffeeman> Gentix, np
[10:34] <KaiL> uhm..
[10:34] <hinni> @kaiL Well, what shall I do? After reboot Kubuntu runs for a few minutes and after a while it freezes. Is there something wrong with xorg.conf?
[10:34] <KaiL> kdesu konsole
[10:34] <March-RX8> and can i mount a pen disk?
[10:34] <Borg^Queen> brb
[10:34] <KaiL> rijad: kdesu konsole
[10:35] <KaiL> should ask for your user-pw
[10:35] <rijad> yeah
[10:35] <KaiL> and in that console everything *should* work without sudo-prefix
[10:35] <KaiL> March-RX8: USB-stick?
[10:35] <March-RX8> yes
[10:35] <KaiL> hinni: well, that's a big bug then...
[10:36] <thoreauputic> rijad: just do  sudo nano /etc/modules and add it on a line at the bottom
[10:36] <bhna> bad thing, if you give your first user the name admin kdesu does not work
[10:36] <KaiL> March-RX8: plug in, and point konqueror to "media:/"
[10:36] <thoreauputic> rijad: quick and easy
[10:36] <KaiL> bhna: does sudo?
[10:37] <bhna> yes
[10:37] <March-RX8> i double click it and  it says it'x not possible to mount the device
[10:37] <bhna> KaiL: yes it does
[10:37] <KaiL> March-RX8: hmm
[10:37] <rijad> ad what?
[10:37] <KaiL> hal and pmount installed?
[10:38] <KaiL> thoreauputic: he seams to have some sudo suckage..
[10:38] <Jefis> How to play midi files?
[10:38] <March-RX8> it says it's not in fstab
[10:38] <KaiL> rijad: add 'ndiswrapper', if that works..
[10:38] <rijad> it's added...
[10:38] <bhna> KaiL: after changing name of admin kdesu is my freind  ;-)
[10:38] <KaiL> bhna: that can be fixed later?
[10:39] <bhna> KaiL: yes with kuser
[10:39] <KaiL> rijad: save + close
[10:39] <rijad> no i mean it was there before
[10:40] <KaiL> oh
[10:40] <allee> rijad: sudo "..." not sudo: "..."
[10:40] <Jefis> is it possible to play midi files?
[10:40] <KaiL> so the module is loaded now :)
[10:40] <rijad> allee: i know
[10:40] <KaiL> ..as you rebootet since
[10:40] <KaiL> I hope :)
[10:40] <Coffeeman> KaiL, is the kubuntu team working hard to fix bugs ?
[10:40] <allee> rijad: ;)
[10:40] <KaiL> Coffeeman: no idea
[10:41] <KaiL> I'm only doing support here and waiting for a developer I can send a 200MB-buglist *fg*
[10:41] <Borg^Queen> crap
[10:41] <Jefis> KaiL, give me support how to play midi files
[10:41] <rijad> Kail: hoe that list has ndiswrapper written all over it :P
[10:42] <bhna> Jefis: kmidi?
[10:42] <KaiL> Jefis: doesn't "just work"?
[10:42] <Jefis> not, it gives error
[10:42] <KaiL> rijad: ?!
[10:42] <Jefis> with /dev/sequincer
[10:42] <Jefis> or something like that
[10:42] <rijad> "200mb-buglist"
[10:42] <KaiL> rijad: was a joke
[10:43] <KaiL> I have 2 lines for now
[10:43] <Jefis> "open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory"
[10:43] <rijad> I didn't joke :P
[10:43] <KaiL> other is some "pebkac"
[10:43] <KaiL> rijad: lsmod | grep ndis
[10:43] <KaiL> is it there?
[10:44] <Jefis> no
[10:44] <Jefis> :)
[10:44] <Jefis> doup :)
[10:44] <Jefis> KaiL, help me :)
[10:44] <KaiL> Jefis: can you play any audio?
[10:44] <Jefis> yes
[10:44] <Jefis> exept midi files
[10:45] <rijad> is it nessecery to enter the root-pass on every page on "controlcenter" or can i chage it so it only askes for it once
[10:45] <KaiL> hmm, I also don't have /dev/sequencer
[10:46] <KaiL> but I don't know, if I can play midi....
[10:46] <Jefis> i can;t
[10:46] <Jefis> in kde control center
[10:46] <Jefis> in sound system
[10:46] <Jefis> do you
[10:46] <KaiL> rijad: "every"? there are only 2 or 3...
[10:46] <Jefis> have any devices on mid
[10:46] <Jefis> i mean
[10:46] <Jefis> hardware -> midi device
[10:46] <Jefis> i have null
[10:47] <MindZEye> Is it me or have there been no updates in the last couple of days?
[10:47] <Jefis> maybe i should try to use midi mapper?
[10:47] <KaiL> hmm, same here
[10:47] <KaiL> empty list
[10:47] <KaiL> sucks
[10:47] <MindZEye> KaiL: Are you referring to my comment?
[10:48] <KaiL> MindZEye: no
[10:48] <KaiL> but a few days after the release...:)
[10:51] <KaiL> rijad: still there?
[10:51] <rijad> "lsmod | grep ndis" doesn't give a output
[10:51] <KaiL> bad
[10:51] <KaiL> rijad: you've set a root pw?
[10:52] <rijad> ofcourse
[10:52] <KaiL> so just do an 'su' in the console to get a real rootshell
[10:52] <KaiL> ...where we can do all the config
[10:54] <rijad> and
[10:54] <KaiL> modprobe ndiswrapper << loads the module
[10:54] <KaiL> then get the driver and install it's .inf with 'ndiswrapper -i file.inf'
[10:55] <KaiL> and finally check with 'ndiswrapper -l', if driver and hardware are "connected"
[10:55] <rijad> ehh wtf...
[10:55] <rijad> "su: Authentication failure"
[10:55] <KaiL> that 'su' want's your root-pw.....
[10:56] <KaiL> wants
[10:56] <rijad> yeah i know,
[10:56] <KaiL> 'sudo' the user-pw btw.
[10:56] <allee> rijad: to get the 'right' environment setting: su -
[10:57] <rijad> well i got the same pass for both so it should work :S
[10:58] <Borg^Queen> wow kubuntu is missing a great deal
[10:58] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: ?
[10:59] <Borg^Queen> It doesn't have kget, it doesn't have kwikdisk, krecord,
[10:59] <Borg^Queen> A whole lot of other stuff
[10:59] <rijad> i don't understand this... in ubuntu this worked flawlessly
[10:59] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: enable universe
[10:59] <Borg^Queen> How?
[11:00] <KaiL> rijad: didn't the module-assistant already need sudo?!?
[11:00] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <Borg^Queen> thanks
[11:00] <allee> rijad: what works in ubuntu and not in kubuntu?  All I've see is desktop independent
[11:01] <rijad> ehh don't remember if it needed sudo :S
[11:01] <allee> KaiL: fakeroot in enough for module-assistent
[11:01] <rijad> well it wasent this hard to set it up :s
[11:01] <KaiL> allee: ndiswrapper did work for him with OLD ubuntu, but doesn't with NEW kubuntu
[11:01] <KaiL> rijad: anything is wrong with your su/sudo
[11:02] <rijad> lol
[11:02] <KaiL> to be more exact, every way to get root fails
[11:02] <rijad> well wtf should i do now?
[11:02] <allee> KaiL, rijad: who uptodate was ubuntu when it worked?  When was it?
[11:02] <KaiL> it'd be very easy, if that doesn't happen
[11:02] <Borg^Queen> There's not mention of universe
[11:03] <KaiL> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:03] <KaiL> the line should look like this :)
[11:03] <Borg^Queen> ah ok
[11:03] <rijad> Alle it worked on Ubuntu 4.10 Warty and Ubuntu horay
[11:04] <rijad> then i did a fresh install with kubuntu and now it doesn't work :(
[11:04] <Borg^Queen> I can't write to it
[11:04] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: sudo....:)
[11:04] <rijad> sudo...
[11:04] <Borg^Queen> nevermind I got it
[11:05] <KaiL> I guess, it's the most often used word in here
[11:05] <maxfx> Bonsoir  tous, es-ce que quelqu'un parle franais?
[11:05] <rijad> Kail: can i resten the userlist or something?
[11:05] <rijad> so i can get root
[11:05] <KaiL> rijad: no idea...
[11:05] <KaiL> allee: do you have any?
[11:06] <allee> KaiL: wait need to read back ...
[11:06] <Speedy2> Yes, you can get root
[11:06] <maxfx> how can i change kubuntu langage to french?
[11:06] <uniq> rijad: you need root to do that. but if it's a fresh install it really should work if you didn't type the password with caps lock on.. or something in that direction.
[11:06] <KaiL> MindZEye: ping?
[11:06] <KaiL> maxfx: yes
[11:06] <KaiL> install kde-i18n-fr
[11:06] <MindZEye> KaiL: What?
[11:07] <rijad> I know the pass :) but i still can't get in
[11:07] <KaiL> and set the lang in kde controlcenter -> region -> language
[11:07] <uniq> rijad: you can always start linux with init=/bin/bash and re-set the root password..
[11:07] <KaiL> MindZEye: if you still want updates, chance from "hoary" to "breezy"
[11:07] <uniq> rijad: edit the boot preferences in grub..
[11:07] <MindZEye> Kail:  Ah crap.
[11:07] <MindZEye> :)
[11:08] <KaiL> that's the next version and so the development stream
[11:08] <uniq> rijad: and use 'passwd root' to change the password.
[11:08] <maxfx> KaiL : Konsole said me "impossible to find the package"
[11:08] <MindZEye> KaiL: Cheers.
[11:09] <KaiL> maxfx: the kde-i18n-fr?
[11:09] <maxfx> yes but i have this message for anyone software i want to install :'(
[11:09] <KaiL> well, I see it here
[11:10] <KaiL> maxfx: ...apt-get update
[11:10] <maxfx> yes it's work
[11:10] <maxfx> sorry but i am newbie in linux ^^
[11:12] <Speedy2> rijad: sudo passwd root will let you activate the root account
[11:13] <Speedy2> rijad: Well, it will prompt you for a root password which you enter, at which point the root acount is now enabled
[11:13] <Speedy2> And you can switch to root by typing "su" at a terminal prompt, and then entering the root password
[11:14] <uniq> .. or just use sudo -s, in the first place.
[11:15] <uniq> but.. that wasn't the problem.
[11:15] <uniq> his password did not work..
[11:16] <allee> KaiL, rijad:  most urgent problem is to reset root password?  (Tried caps on&off when entering pw already I guess)
[11:17] <KaiL> allee: as I can see root-pw and sudo are broken..........
[11:17] <TayloR> Evening all
[11:18] <smouche> Kail -- broken how?  I wish I had seen the beginning of your and KaiL 's discussion...
[11:19] <KaiL> smouche: just plain doesn't work
[11:19] <smouche> because I've had problems with programs accepting neither sudo nor root password
[11:19] <TayloR> just out of curiosity, any news on this konqueror crash bug? i tried the 'way around it' by not displaying the side menu on the left but it still constantly crashes
[11:19] <KaiL> allee, smouche, Speedy2, uniq: anyone of you a kubuntu developer?
[11:20] <smouche> Taylor, you had that problem too?  Losing the side menu worked for me...
[11:20] <smouche> KaiL, no -- I'm not
[11:20] <maxfx> bye everybody
[11:20] <TayloR> smouche: doesnt seem to work for me
[11:20] <allee> KaiL: no
[11:20] <TayloR> konqueror still crashes from time to time so now i browse my files via the terminal and internet via firefox instead, wonder why it wont work for me :\...
[11:21] <TayloR> there isnt a particular way you should disable the side menu is there?
[11:21] <smouche> sorry to hear that, Taylor-- how about this workaround -- try the "simple browser" profile for konqueror  see if you can set that as default...
[11:22] <smouche> TayloR, I installed Krusader -- terrific file browser; unfortunately, it crashes too, but nowhere near as often as konq...
[11:22] <allee> rijad: ALT-CTRL-F1 and try to login as root there?
[11:23] <TayloR> smouche: Oh? hmm, the way i disabled the side menu was simply going to, within my home folder, window >> hide navigation menu, is that how you disabled it?
[11:23] <smouche> TayloR -- get this fantastic file browser - "rox-filer" -- it's in universe, I think.  Light, quick, a little strange seeming at first but very clever in the way it displays info..
[11:24] <TayloR> rox-filer? hows the stability with that?
[11:24] <smouche> Yes, Taylor, or pressing, hm, f9, I think -- but I'm just guessing that the simpler the configuration of konqueror, the fewer the crashes...
[11:24] <smouche> never crashed on my, rox-filer, Taylor
[11:24] <smouche> "on me"
[11:25] <TayloR> ok thanks alot smouche for the help & suggestions, ill be sure to give that rox-filer a try :)
[11:25] <smouche> the interface is very different from kde apps, but it works!
[11:25] <TayloR> any news on if that bugs going to be patched / fixed any time soon?
[11:25] <KaiL> TayloR: if anybody could reproduce them,,,
[11:25] <smouche> kewl, TahloR, I'm a big fan of rox --
[11:26] <smouche> downside, though, if you have windows shares you want to browse via smb-client, it won't work for that...
[11:26] <smouche> (rox)
[11:26] <TayloR> ah right
[11:27] <smouche> KaiL, Taylor -- I don't know what the status is on that bug, but it was filed, anyway, and I think a couple people confirmed reproducing it
[11:27] <TayloR> ah ok, well im just getting that rox-filer right this second so ill see how that one goes for now :)
[11:28] <smouche> one tell-tale of a problem-- crashes are most likely if you invoke konq from the "sytem menu -- home folder" icon.
[11:28] <smouche> the icon thingie in the upper right corner will spin endlessly...
[11:29] <smouche> cheers, TayloR!
[11:29] <Borg^Queen> Well I've had enough of kubuntu.
[11:30] <KaiL> why this?
[11:30] <TayloR> doesnt seem to have placed a shortcut within the menu for rox-filer, ran it via terminal anyhoo
[11:30] <Borg^Queen> Good luck people. I hope all of your fare better.
[11:30] <TayloR> so far so good, nice, abit basic but real fast in response time
[11:30] <Borg^Queen> kail, it doesn't conform to gnu-nix standards. It's more like windows in too many ways. And it crashed twice.
[11:31] <treke> what gnu-nix standards are these?
[11:31] <Borg^Queen> It's good if all you want to do it basic stuff.
[11:31] <Borg^Queen> but I guess that's what its for isn't it?
[11:31] <allee> Kail:  I installed kubuntu last night.  now set a root pw and su sodu, kdesu still works (before I made sure autologin via ssh key works ;)
[11:32] <Jet2k5> hello guys
[11:32] <Jet2k5> I want to install kubuntu, but I'm getting authentication errors
[11:32] <Jet2k5> is this a kubuntu problem or ubuntu problem?
[11:32] <KaiL> sudo is really a horror.......
[11:32] <treke> Borg^Queen: perhaps you should be more specific so that problems can be resolved.
[11:32] <Jet2k5> not sure where to as for help
[11:32] <Borg^Queen> treke: I wish I could but I'm on a time table to find a new company distro as well as a distro for the community center.
[11:33] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: I agree. it was a big mistake
[11:33] <smouche> TayloR -- the little details grab me with rox -- check out the context menus, and icons ,
[11:33] <allee> KaiL:  sudo is often great.   But using is always is a bit much ;)
[11:33] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: except (k)ubuntu is like debian.
[11:33] <Borg^Queen> Not anymore.
[11:33] <KaiL> allee: yes
[11:33] <smouche> and TayloR, to get an "address bar" you can type /
[11:33] <smouche> er, location bar, whatever
[11:33] <SuperCatFrog> hi - ive just installed linux-headers, but it vmware tells me that they dont match the running kernel (i haven't recompiled my kernel, just using the one that came with kubuntu)
[11:33] <Borg^Queen> I use Debian and I can tell you I have ever encountered this problems
[11:33] <TayloR> smouche -- i see what you mean, and oooh thanks for that, i was wondering on how to get that up :)
[11:34] <treke> SuperCatFrog: you need the headers for your specific kernel
[11:34] <Borg^Queen> but they're important difff
[11:34] <allee> what's rijad doing?
[11:34] <treke> there are ther packages
[11:34] <treke> Borg^Queen: Like what?
[11:34] <treke> sudo is the big one I see
[11:34] <Borg^Queen> The lack of a real root account to aviod this sudo nonesense.
[11:34] <Borg^Queen> Exactly
[11:34] <KaiL> Borg^Queen: sudo passwd
[11:34] <smouche> TayloR: one quibble I have with rox!  There should at least be an icon for that!  or just have the location bar visible...
[11:34] <treke> all you have to do is set a root password
[11:34] <treke> and then your done
[11:34] <SuperCatFrog> treke - where can i get them from? will that mean compiling my own kernel (i installed kubuntu to avoid compiling stuff [from gentoo] )
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> That and it strips down KDE
[11:35] <KaiL> set a root-PW and you have it
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> I did
[11:35] <treke> not stripped down, just a different default install
[11:35] <KaiL> and enable universe
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> I caused more problems than it solved
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> KaiL: I did enable universal
[11:35] <KaiL> universe :)
[11:35] <smouche> btw, TayloR, I don't know if you use xfce at all, but rox is wonderful in that -- much better than default xfce file manager
[11:35] <allee> Borg^Queen: real root account?  without remembering a second passwort? --> kdesu -- konsole --workdir /root
[11:35] <treke> there is even the kde meta package if you want all of kde installed
[11:35] <Borg^Queen> Aye universe
[11:36] <TayloR> smouche -- Yeah i agree 100%, would be nice if the address bar was on display all the time above the field names, e.g. above the name, type, permissions etc.. etc..
[11:36] <treke> how does setting a root password cause problems?
[11:36] <allee> Borg^Queen: works fine.  and a disabled root pw never hurts ;)
[11:36] <Borg^Queen> Give it time, you'll see.
[11:36] <Borg^Queen> Anyway thanks.
[11:36] <treke> just say it
[11:36] <Borg^Queen> Good luck and have fun.
[11:37] <treke> so basically he's just a troll
[11:37] <allee> treke: root pw worked on 'old' kubuntu and on a fresh kubuntu.  ==> there is no bug.  Just a user error ;)
[11:37] <thieum> hi there
[11:38] <smouche> TayloR- I love the easy toggling of views, especially the hidden files toggle icon, and the way windows snap - funky icons though!
[11:38] <thieum> question: usb key icon doesn't apper automatically on the desktop.... anyone knows howto to fix this ?
[11:38] <TayloR> smouche -- indeed, yeah its actually really nice and simple, thanks alot for suggesting it :)... hopefully that bug with konqueror is sorted sometime soon
[11:39] <KaiL> thieum: rightclick -> conf. desktop -> (second entry) -> tab device icons :)
[11:39] <TayloR> argh could someone refresh my memory on how i can check if dma is enabled on my cdrom?
[11:40] <SuperCatFrog> hdparm /dev/hdc -d
[11:40] <TayloR> ah hdc, thats where my mistake was at
[11:40] <TayloR> thanks :)
[11:40] <thieum> thanx KaiL, i'll try this tomorrow
[11:40] <KaiL> SuperCatFrog: other way around
[11:40] <KaiL> hdparm -d /dev/hdc :)
[11:41] <treke> allee: Well I suspect he just wanted to make waves. If there was a real problem I'd expect he would say so rather than just say "just wait"
[11:41] <TayloR> ./dev/hdc: No such file or directory
[11:41] <TayloR> i take it i need to manually create a mount point?
[11:41] <TayloR> and then mount it to that dir?
[11:42] <TayloR> or no?
[11:42] <KaiL> TayloR: go to media:/ and click :)
[11:42] <KaiL> treke: there are relay a lot of errors...
[11:42] <KaiL> and this channel misses a developer
[11:43] <TayloR> ah thanks KaiL
[11:43] <KaiL> would help a lot, if the bugs found could be solved fast......
[11:43] <thoreauputic> KaiL: Riddell is here sometimes - I expect a few developers grep through the logs as well :)
[11:44] <smouche> KaiL, they're stretched pretty thin, I think, and covering all the bases pretty well -- for support in these channels
[11:44] <treke> KaiL: there may be bugs, but I tend to disregard people who point at vague statements instead of actually pointing out the problem so it can be fixed.
[11:44] <KaiL> treke: maybe he found to much problems
[11:44] <TayloR> thanks for the help people, bbl.. :)
[11:45] <KaiL> and if you grep the log, there are more than enogh sudo problems
[11:45] <treke> All I was asking for was the bug in something that most logic says could not cause problems at all
[11:45] <KaiL> not to mention the ndiswrapper-fun
[11:45] <treke> setting the root password logically should not cause any problems
[11:46] <smouche> I'm having hellish problems with various gui frontends to admin stuff, and I've been speculating that maybe it was because I (stupidly and needlessly) set myself a "root password" instead of learning sudo properly
[11:46] <smouche> now I have to use command line, which I know to little about in terms of commands -- would like to have those guis behaving
[11:49] <SuperCatFrog>  ive just installed linux-headers, but it vmware tells me that they dont match the running kernel (i haven't recompiled my kernel, just using the one that came with kubuntu). is there a particular package i need, or do i need to compile my own kernel?
[11:49] <smouche> kuser is unusable, several places in kcontrol won't work unless I open kcontrol with "sudo kcontrol" in a terminal, instead of opening it from a menu, and using "administration mode" - which won't work!
[11:49] <allee> KaiL: sudo or command line in general is tricky for 'newbies'.  ndiswrapper stuff is hardware and closed software --> two topics that cry for problems
[11:49] <SuperCatFrog> smouche - kuser broke my users on my gentoo box, use users-admin or something
[11:49] <KaiL> allee: yes
[11:50] <smouche> Thanks, SuperCatFrog -- yeah, I've been using adduser or useradd (forget which)...
[11:51] <SuperCatFrog> useradd
[11:53] <allee> SuperCatFrog: better use adduser  (useradd is 'low(er) level')
[11:53] <smouche> I'm happy to learn terminal commands -- but I kind of resent the time I've wasted with broken or confusing guis-- time I could have used for figuring out man pages instead!
[11:54] <allee> smouche: I like your attitude ;)
[11:54] <SuperCatFrog> o rite, ta
[11:55] <KaiL> allee: just fount out, that ndiswrapper.ko is in the linux-image package
[11:56] <KaiL> found....
[11:56] <smouche> heh heh, at first I thought you said, "aptitude" , allee... since kpackage doesn't like my sudo, aptitude is what I need next!
[11:56] <TayloR> Hmm, dma isnt enabled on my cdrom, how do i go about enabling that again lol?
[11:56] <allee> KaiL: yes but ndiswrapper-utils need to be installed 'by' hand :(
[11:56] <TayloR> its been a while since ive used the terminal, or any terminal :P
[11:57] <KaiL> allee: that's not *that* problem
[11:57] <allee> KaiL: we know but many don't ;)
[11:57] <smouche> hmmm, TayloR -- I enabled my DVD dma the other day, hmmm -- give me a couple minutes, I think it's the same file etc...
[11:57] <KaiL> installing a package is way easier then installing anything
[11:57] <TayloR> smouche -- ok thanks :)
[11:58] <allee> KaiL: .. if you know the package name and or how to search for it
[11:58] <smouche> ok, TayloR -- maybe you can adapt this to the CD rom --
[11:58] <KaiL> allee: if they ask here, we can help them fast
[11:59] <smouche> ~$ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[11:59] <smouche> /dev/dvd:
[11:59] <smouche>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[11:59] <smouche>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[11:59] <smouche> bc@suzy32:~$
[11:59] <KaiL> that should be enough for the first
[11:59] <TayloR> ok let me give it a shot
[11:59] <smouche> TayloR, I think there's something like that, but for CD --
[11:59] <TayloR> yep done it
[11:59] <TayloR> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[11:59] <TayloR>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[11:59] <TayloR> Thanks alot :)
[11:59] <KaiL> in step 2, we can even remove this problem..
[12:00] <smouche> np, TayloR, hope it works!
[12:00] <KaiL> but I think, that'll go away alone with a *working* kynaptic
[12:00] <TayloR> smouche --  Yep it seems it did, thanks again for all your help ;)
[12:00] <smouche> I wish that had been enabled by default for my DVD; I couldn't understand why playback was so horrible!


[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58171 in xorg (main) "Connection to ICE-unix/.. socket times out so programs take minutes to start" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58171
[12:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73931 in xorg-server (main) "login in nested window dies changing workspace" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73931
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82659 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "Xorg crashes when using xinerama" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82659
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #19133 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "No video or Ubuntu fails to boot on G4 Towers after successful installation" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19133
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #21211 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "When screensaver switch display off it never switch on again" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/21211
[05:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #24862 in xorg (main) "Manual tweaking needed to support a resolution of 1920x1200" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/24862
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #33373 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Server failure with ATI Radeon RS100 (IGP320M)" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33373
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #44873 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "Resolution in X will not go above 640x480 on Radeon X800" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44873


[01:05] <kristal> leafpad doesn't have syntax highlighting... what's the simplest editor that does? scite has bad font rendering
[01:08] <Unit193> mousepad
[01:28] <ianorlin> nano has syntax highlighting
[01:28] <kristal> nano... but my terminal is busy with running things, and man
[01:28] <ianorlin> you have tabs
[01:29] <kristal> tabs are for web browsers :P
[01:30] <Unit193> I'd assume you know of tmux and screen.  vim has syntax too, but that's beside the point.
[01:30] <kristal> screen is the ultimate thing for ssh
[05:23] <hyperair> tmux.
[05:26] <Myrtti> +1 for tmux
[09:55] <melodie> hello
[10:03] <jokoon> hello
[10:03] <jokoon> Im planning to run lubuntu on a mac
[10:03] <jokoon> which version should I use
[10:04] <jokoon> Is 13.10 fine ?
[10:05] <jokoon> I mean 13.04
[10:05] <jokoon> macbook pro with dual core
[10:05] <jokoon> intel thing
[10:05] <jokoon> Seems there are both 64bit images
[10:06] <jokoon> one for pc one for mac why is that
[10:25] <melodie> hi
[10:26] <melodie> if you are not in a hurry, you could wait the next version which will be ready in october (perhaps at the end?)
[10:26] <melodie> jokoon images for Intel images for PPC
[10:28] <jokoon> no there are 3 images
[10:28] <jokoon> one PPC
[10:28] <jokoon> one AMD64-mac
[10:28] <jokoon> one amd64-pc
[10:29] <jokoon> I'm not really in a hurry, but I'd like this to be done quickly
[10:29] <jokoon> is lxde lighter than xfce ?
[10:34] <jokoon> I'm still wondering, how can most applications made compatible with all desktop environments ?
[10:34] <jokoon> I mean each app use a specific window manager right ?
[10:35] <kristal> 13.10 has bugs but no show-stoppers
[10:35] <kristal> lxde is the lightest of all the proper desktops
[10:36] <kristal> If you're using a PPC mac the lightness helps a lot.
[10:46] <jokoon> I have a intel mac
[16:22] <Yinseng> Anyone around? I need some advice.
[16:22] <wxl> !ask | Yinseng
[16:24] <Yinseng> God I hate freenode.
[16:25] <Myrtti> go on...
[16:26] <Yinseng> I have an old Inspiron 710m laptop that I've been trying to restore to working order and it doesn't seem to like Windows XP. It has some sort of keyboard buffer problem that I haven't been able to fix where it's missing keystrokes. So I'm thinking Lubuntu is the solution for me.
[16:26] <Myrtti> ok
[16:26] <Myrtti> sounds like a good idea
[16:27] <Yinseng> Only problem? I try to install Lubuntu and it tells me I'm missing a pae kernel. Supposedly Pentium M is pae compatible but isn't flagged properly. I look up how to fix it, the instructions are all very complicated, over my head as someone new to Linux. I'm not exactly sure which route to take, or if there's even a better one yet.
[16:30] <Yinseng> InstalledSystem seems like the most failproof route but it warns at the bottom that Lubuntu Raring is going to stop updating soon or something, and the Saucy build is an alpha. grub-n-iso seems to call for a USB drive, which I don't have. And the long way of doing it... well, any number of things could go wrong, things I don't have the experience to fix if they do.
[16:33] <Yinseng> I'm frustrated because I was told that this would be easy, but due to this flag test it runs that you can't bypass it's anything but.
[16:40] <Myrtti> I don't have any experience on such problems myself so I cant help - sorry


[16:30] <OvenWerks> briefly looking at ubuntustudio-live which has our ubiquity install menu in it. From that it looks like to do different desktops (DEs) we need to create ubuntustudio-desktop-xfce and -plasma as extra packages rather than as a part of seeds. -live depends on -meta (which has not been rebuilt for some years now and need to be updated)
[16:32] <OvenWerks> so we need a -desktop, and -desktop-xfce as a starting point. -desktop would remain in seeds (or could anyway) but desktop-xfce would become a package.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> it would contain applications which are not a part of one of our work flows and are not DE specific (like FF).
[16:33] <ErichEickmeyer> Ah yes. Simply a metapackage, right?
[16:33] <OvenWerks> right
[16:34] <ErichEickmeyer> Makes sense.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> I think we could then offer the choice of kubuntu-desktop as is.
[16:35] <ErichEickmeyer> Okay, so that means it pulls the kubuntu-desktop and then perhaps some customizing in default-settings?
[16:35] <OvenWerks> Our settings package would need to have some plasma settings built in as well
[16:35] <ErichEickmeyer> Right.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I have to switch to kubuntu and reinstall -controls to see how miy fixes work.
[16:37] <ErichEickmeyer> Cool.
[16:38] <ErichEickmeyer> BTW, all the icon updates are done. Can be installed from the daily for bionic and cosmic.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> I saw that. I have to go back into that package and fix the backdrop stuff too.
[16:39] <ErichEickmeyer> Might have to tweak the panel in xfce to be slightly wider, otherwise it looks like a blue circle with something in the middle.
[16:39] <ErichEickmeyer> Works perfectly in Plasma.
[16:40] <OvenWerks> can the circle be made smaller? (closer to the outside of the symbol?)
[16:40]  * OvenWerks hasn't looked yet
[16:41] <ErichEickmeyer> Well, it's at the edge as it is. It's only 22px.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> Like I said, I was sugesting without even looking :P
[16:42] <ErichEickmeyer> hehe
[17:15] <OvenWerks> hu, rtirq seems to be broken in 18.10 or maybe it's kubuntu 18.10
[17:20] <OvenWerks> it works fine in Studio 18.04
[17:28] <OvenWerks> DLing Studio 18.10 to check.
[17:29] <ErichEickmeyer> That seems like something that would be in the kernel for sure.
[17:51] <OvenWerks> The last time rtirq-init was synced was 2015
[17:52] <OvenWerks> Same as debian.
[17:54] <OvenWerks> Latest upstream is 20180420
[17:59] <OvenWerks> Anyway, writing Studio 18.10 to iso, will check rtirq there... if it works fine, but we should still look at a sync request in debian. If not fine, I will download from git and try that
[18:00] <ErichEickmeyer> Might have to get a debian package and sync request.
[18:00] <OvenWerks> debian is old too
[18:01] <OvenWerks> so ya
[18:01] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. Calf is still at 0.60 whereas 0.90.0 has been released with tons of new features.
[18:01] <OvenWerks> but need to make sure the git one works
[18:01] <ErichEickmeyer> yep
[18:01] <OvenWerks> There is another package that does the same thing that may be worth looking at too.
[18:02] <OvenWerks> it works after boot as well (like when a SUB device is plugged in)
[18:02] <OvenWerks> s/SUB/USB/
[18:30] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: rtirq works fine in Studio 18.10
[18:31] <ErichEickmeyer> Hmm... sync request then.
[18:31] <OvenWerks> even the one we have works fine
[18:32] <OvenWerks> It must be that one of our settings gives permition
[18:45] <OvenWerks> sync request in debian would still make sense
[18:45] <ErichEickmeyer> Could it be the memlock setting?
[18:46] <ErichEickmeyer> /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[18:46] <OvenWerks> anyway, I am not sure what the difference is, but in Studio 1810, pulling a usb device out gets a right now responce, but in kubuntu, it takes 1 or 2 minutes during which cpu activity goes way up.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> I suspect there may be another setting because -controls fixes that
[18:47] <ErichEickmeyer> What if Plasma was installed on top of Studio?
[18:48] <OvenWerks> :) I am going to try that next as happens...
[18:48] <OvenWerks> I will try installing kubuntu-desktop
[18:50] <ErichEickmeyer> the package to install for a vanilla Plasma desktop is kde-plasma-desktop.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> I know that is different, but kubuntu has the full list
[18:51]  * ErichEickmeyer noods
[18:51]  * ErichEickmeyer * nods
[18:51] <OvenWerks> I may try the other as well to see what the differece is.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> But getting the kubuntu theme is important (at least to me)
[18:53] <ErichEickmeyer> That's as easy as a default setting since Plasma comes with the themes by default, just not configured like Kubuntu.
[18:53] <OvenWerks> right
[18:53] <OvenWerks> I also want to compare kubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-full
[18:54] <ErichEickmeyer> kubuntu-full is kubuntu-desktop plus the kitchen sink, afaik.
[18:54] <OvenWerks> for some version of kitchen sink yes
[18:55] <ErichEickmeyer> XD
[18:55] <ErichEickmeyer> Anyways, off to work with me.
[18:55] <OvenWerks> o/
[18:55] <ErichEickmeyer> \o
[18:55] <OvenWerks> even -desktop has a lot
[19:28] <krytarik> Now, while the commit history on the -default-settings branch is definitely funny too, who gets to merge the newly created changelog section into the previous one that wasn't released yet either? >_>
[19:52] <OvenWerks> krytarik: it needs to be fixed before release... but I can only do one thing at a time.
[19:53] <OvenWerks> We need to change the backdrop spec back to png but it is too late to just roll back so edit. That is probably better anyway.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> krytarik: do you know much about plasma?
[19:54] <krytarik> Not particularly, no.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> I installed it on top of Studio a while ago
[19:55] <OvenWerks> the session manager shows two options both called Plasma
[19:55] <OvenWerks> the first one cuts off both my keyboard and mouse
[19:55] <OvenWerks> the second is ok.
[19:56] <OvenWerks> there is only one plasma.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/
[20:04] <krytarik> grep -l 'Plasma' /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop
[20:05] <OvenWerks> I still only get one
[20:06] <krytarik> Huh. >_>
[20:13] <OvenWerks> The one I am using runs /usr/bin/startkde
[20:31] <OvenWerks> I wonder if the one that doesn't work is for wayland? (that doesn't make sense)
[20:43] <OvenWerks> Funny as it may seem... the extra login type _is_ for a wayland login
[20:44] <OvenWerks> by changing the dm to sddm instead of lightdm it all became clear
[20:45] <OvenWerks> sddm puts (wayland) after that entry
[20:50] <krytarik> https://sources.debian.org/src/plasma-workspace/4:5.12.5-1/plasmawayland.desktop.cmake/ → '/usr/share/wayland-sessions/plasmawayland.desktop'
[20:51] <OvenWerks> krytarik: it would be nice not to have that. sddm does have a config it may be able to be set to not look there
[20:56] <krytarik> Well, I wouldn't want to limit it for the cases where Wayland does work on a system.
[20:57] <OvenWerks> krytarik: in my (not very humble) opinion, the wayland entries should not be displayed on a system that does not have wayland anyway.
[20:59] <OvenWerks> but anyway, it looks like setting up a ubuntustudio-desktop-plasma would not be that hard.
[21:00] <OvenWerks> The problem is more with including it in the meta without including the packages in the iso
[21:02] <krytarik> dpkg -l | grep 'wayland'
[21:09] <OvenWerks> as of now there are no sddm config files. making one and setting [Wayland]\n SessionDir= would probably remove that entry. and as you point out making a systemd entry that checks for wayland installed would allow for removing the config file.
[21:12] <krytarik> Well no, that was to indicate that you should have plenty of Wayland stuff installed by now.
[21:13] <OvenWerks> So I do... but wayland doesn't work so at least something is missing
[21:14] <krytarik> Yes, I think it's just as often that it doesn't support your hardware/driver combo sufficiently.
[21:14] <OvenWerks> both my mouse and my keyboard?
[21:14] <OvenWerks> Yikes!
[21:14] <krytarik> I dunno!  It sucks? :P
[21:15] <OvenWerks> and of course my monitors were reversed as well.
[21:15]  * OvenWerks thinks Wayland is not ready for release yet...
[21:23] <OvenWerks> sddm does not ball up xfce either ErichEickmeyer add to next meeting adjenda: discuse replacing lightdm with sddm. I am sure lightdm could be configured too, now that we know what to look for, but sddm may be better going forward when Wayland does finally show up
[23:00] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: Done.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: what other DMs are other flavours using? sddm is a qt based deal, I don't know about lightdm (gtk?) What does vanilla use? gdm?
[23:36] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: regarding an iso with choosing the DE: if only one of the DEs is on the iso and a second one is chosen but not the first... a lot of these things get downloaded at install time, but installed after first boot... but if the current DE has been revoved at install, how do you login the first time to install the all ready DL DE packages