[00:00] <syncsys> FloodBot1, ok
[00:03] <ogist> http://i49.tinypic.com/4k74nm.png
[00:03] <ubuntu-tester> machicola: how do you define 'finish' moment?
[00:04] <daftykins> ogist: i can't believe it's not a mac.
[00:05] <Feedhurley> ubuntu-tester are you still here, sorry got disrupted... how do i remove the /dev/sdb lines?
[00:05] <machicola> ubuntu.... the main loading process
[00:05] <machicola> ubuntu-tester, the main loading process for the windows session
[00:06] <Stephini> hia
[00:06] <machicola> once the processor is no longer busy with loading xwindows
[00:06] <machicola> i want the script to start
[00:07] <machicola> if there are minor things afterwards, i'm not concerned with those
[00:07] <Stephini> anyone on with experience using wireless x360 pads on ubuntu?
[00:07] <ubuntu-tester> Feedhurley: with any text editor, i guess :)
[00:08] <jarvis_> Ok, I'm trying to decide a good way to split this computer up. I have a 120GB SSD, and a 500GB spinning drive. I want to dual boot buntu/win7. What are some good options. I use linux for school/programming, and windows for gaming.
[00:08] <ubuntu-tester> machicola: well you can check LA in script
[00:09] <machicola> ubuntu-tester, what do you mean?
[00:09] <Stephini> jarvis give each os ~20-30 on the SSD then the rest for your big load games and the off drive for everything else?
[00:09] <Feedhurley> ubuntu-tester hmm.. feels like I havnt got all this right now :P Is this information i got from blkid an actual text file somewhere? If :  Where is that located?
[00:10] <Feedhurley> by the way is it this hard to make new partitions in linux? o.O
[00:10] <Stephini> didn't find partitioning that hard when i used gparted about 5 years back...heh
[00:10] <ubuntu-tester> Feedhurley: you need to edit /etc/fstab as root, remove last lines
[00:11] <ubuntu-tester> Feedhurley: it's easy with gparted
[00:12] <ubuntu-tester> machicola: parse uptime output, if LA above some threshold wait 30 sec, etc.
[00:13] <machicola> what is LA?
[00:13] <machicola> nevermind
[00:13] <ubuntu-tester> machicola: load average
[00:13] <Rienzilla> hmm
[00:14] <Rienzilla> what is responsible for starting/activating lvm volumes in ubuntu?
[00:14] <machicola> ok thanks ubuntu-tester
[00:14] <hiuser> hi, i have difficulties installing the ubuntu windows installer. the problem occures during installation. it freezes when trying to copy files. any suggestions?
[00:15] <Stephini> is it just me or is there a lack of current information on using x360 controllers on linux?
[00:17] <daftykins> Stephini: i must say that's not exactly a priority when it comes to OS's :>
[00:18] <Feedhurley> ubuntu-tester hmm how to get there, i need to be super user? So i then i have to do it terminal, but in terminal it denies me access even if i type "sudo cd root"
[00:18] <Wulf> hi
[00:18] <Feedhurley> ubuntu-tester apparently not, it was in gparted all this stuff got started
[00:18] <Wulf> The 12.04 login screens shows me only the default user to which I can login. How can I configure it so I can enter the username I'd like to login as?
[00:19] <Feedhurley> ubuntu-tester i mabye should tell that these partitions does not hold any files at all so if there is any easy gparted way which i missed I could just delete them
[00:19] <Stephini> for a gamer being able to play their games generally is a priority. for a game dev being able to test their games generally is. getting the x360 pad working factors into both. so it may not be for you or for the ubuntu dev team. but figuring out why every guide does work is for me.
[00:20] <Stephini> why every guide does not*
[00:20] <arashmousavi_> I found out the inode information of the most important directory of my server was corrupted, and I couldn't access its files. how can I recover my data in this directory? or repair its inode information? that is realy important
[00:21] <ogist> daftykins: yeah
[00:21] <ogist> well ubuntu is like a mac
[00:22] <ogist> im using cairo-dock
[00:22] <ubuntu-tester> Feedhurley: you need to start text editor with root privileges, it is done with sudo command. type in terminal: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[00:22] <ubuntu-tester> !sudo | Feedhurley
[00:22] <Ben64> Stephini: you need the wireless connector thingy
[00:23] <Stephini> ben64 have it. but cant get the software to use it...every guide leads me to "cant locate package"
[00:23] <daftykins> ogist: nooo no no no no
[00:23] <Ben64> Stephini: what package
[00:23] <ubuntu-tester> Feedhurley: after you clean up fstab and check partitions are not mounted, you can freely delete them and create anew
[00:24] <verm1n> Hello, I am running ubuntu 12.10 with Kubuntu packages with KDE, compiz and emerald. I was wondering if it is possible for me to install some of the older compiz plugins (namely "blur").
[00:24] <Stephini> xpad and xboxdrv are teh 2 i've been sent to get by guides
[00:24] <Ben64> Stephini: what version of ubuntu are you on
[00:24] <Stephini> 12.10 i believe. latest full feature/limited support
[00:25] <usr13> ubuntu-tester:  gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[00:25] <Ben64> Stephini: then the driver is already in the kernel
[00:25] <Stephini> ahh how can i test and config it then?
[00:25] <verm1n> anyone have success setting up advanced compiz plugins on 12.04?
[00:25] <Ben64> what happens when you do "lsmod | grep xpad"
[00:25] <ubuntu-tester> usr13: yes, will work as well
[00:26] <verm1n> 12.04/12.10
[00:27] <ubuntu-tester> verm1n: I had in 12.10, what plugins
[00:27] <Stephini> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lsmod | grep xpad
[00:27] <Stephini> xpad                   17756  0
[00:27] <Stephini> ff_memless             12877  1 xpad
[00:27] <Stephini> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[00:27] <FloodBot1> Stephini: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:27] <jgodbout1> I could install the broadcom wireless driver when I was using the live CD, but now that I have installed 12.04, it does not appear in the list of additional drivers.
[00:27] <Ben64> Stephini: it should be working then
[00:27] <jgodbout1> How can I use the CD as a source to install additional drivers? (no ethernet port)
[00:27] <Stephini> ok is there a gui window where i can test inputs then?
[00:28] <verm1n> ubuntu-tester: blur
[00:28] <bekks> jgodbout1: which additional drivers do you look for?
[00:28] <Ben64> i don't know that much about xbox controllers on ubuntu
[00:28] <verm1n> maybe aquarius etc
[00:28] <jgodbout1> bekks: Broadcom STA i think
[00:28] <ubuntu-tester> jgodbout1: you can add it in Software Sources
[00:28] <jgodbout1> bekks: I forget the exact name of the one that showed up in the live cd
[00:29] <jgodbout1> ubuntu-tester: That worked. Thank you!
[00:29] <verm1n> Broadcom Drivers for Linux.... Made by satan himself
[00:30] <elfer> satan?
[00:31] <bekks> verm1n: Working fine here for years now.
[00:31] <verm1n> its so sad to see the old compiz falling apart
[00:32] <ubuntu-tester> verm1n: sorry don't have it
[00:32] <verm1n> ubuntu-tester: have you been able to install any experimental plugins at all?
[00:32] <_helios_> what wine package should I install to use that dumb itunes program?
[00:33] <ubuntu-tester> verm1n: but Google shows than blur is incompatible with latest versions of compiz
[00:33] <ubuntu-tester> verm1n: *that
[00:33] <daftykins> _helios_: there's no need to use itunes at all.
[00:33] <k1l> _helios_: take a look into the appdb from wine
[00:33] <ubuntu-tester> verm1n: see https://answers.launchpad.net/compiz/+question/213658
[00:33] <_helios_> daftykins, then how am I to sync songs to my ipod touch 4g with xubuntu 12.10 ?
[00:34] <shell_> Anybody familiar with ubuntu irssi?
[00:34] <daftykins> !ipod | _helios_
[00:34] <bekks> daftykins: Besides the fact that setting up a new iPhone requires iTunes.
[00:34] <daftykins> shell_: sup?
[00:34] <k1l> !irssi | shell_
[00:34] <daftykins> bekks: used to be true, hasn't for ages afaik
[00:34] <bekks> daftykins: Still try, two weeks ago :)
[00:34] <bekks> true even.
[00:34] <k1l> daftykins: the new i-devices are not reverse engenered so far
[00:35] <daftykins> bekks: shouldn't be the case with newest iOS. otherwise, sucks to be $whoever.
[00:35] <shell_> hey daftykins, um just having trouble switching back to channels. It says things like "act: 1,3
[00:35] <daftykins> also owned for buying Apple
[00:35] <bekks> daftykins: IS the case with latest iOS.
[00:35] <daftykins> shell_: sure, hit alt+<number> where <number> is a number
[00:35] <shell_> Ah thank you.
[00:35] <_helios_> daftykins, i'll give it a try thanks.
[00:35] <daftykins> shell_: also, "/win x" when using a terminal emulator that doesn't support the alt combos
[00:36] <daftykins> bekks: bit persistent aren't we?
[00:36] <bekks> daftykins: No, I am just stating the facts :)
[00:36] <daftykins> mm-hmm. unpleasantly
[00:37] <Kireji> where else besides ~/.ssh/ does Ubuntu manage ssh keys?  some internal db anywhere?
[00:37] <Stephini> wewt managed to test it once i found out the device name...now if only i could turn off the blinking light. thanx for the help mate.
[00:37] <bekks> Kireji: No, nowhere else.
[00:37] <Stephini> sorry for my newbishness
[00:37] <Kireji> I need to delete an ssh key, can't find where it is
[00:37] <Kireji> bekks: I've found it before I know there is some command line program I ran, and it listed keys
[00:37] <ubuntu-tester> Kireji: gnome-keyring maybe
[00:39] <machicola> is there anyway I can specify exactly when I want a script to run in the order of processes at bootup?
[00:39] <Kireji> ubuntu-tester: possibly, but not in history
[00:39] <machicola> via the command line)
[00:39] <arashmousavi_> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61014/repair-or-recover-corrupted-inode-information
[00:39] <machicola> without use of GUIs or dowloaded applications
[00:40] <digitalslave> so i updated from 12.04 which had random X crashes when watching media in a browser to 12.10 and now web pages hang and studder on my 30M down connection. Anyone know how to correct this? i already have ipv6 disabled in sysctl and blacklisted in modprobe
[00:40] <ubuntu-tester> Kireji: what history?
[00:40] <dr_willis> machicola: the upstart docs and cookbook site will detail that
[00:40] <digitalslave> happens with chrome and firefox
[00:41] <johnnyapplewood> ubuntu can write to NTFS drives right??
[00:41] <daftykins> yes.
[00:41] <johnnyapplewood> good
[00:41] <daftykins> for several years now
[00:41] <johnnyapplewood> i gotta install a 2TB hard drive and copy my data onto it
[00:41] <johnnyapplewood> never tried
[00:41] <dr_willis> johnnyapplewood: yes ntfs-3g can
[00:41] <johnnyapplewood> sorry for my tardiness
[00:42] <daftykins> johnnyapplewood: ok, but next time i get out the axe.
[00:42] <ubuntu-tester> Kireji: also did you mean your auth keys or host keys?
[00:43] <Guest56477> Does anyone know what application would work good for taking two dvd iso's and combining them into one iso
[00:43] <lsv> So for some time now I have not been able to find gnome-terminal using dash's search bar.  Any idea why?  I can run it by using Alt + F2 then writing 'gnome-terminal'
[00:44] <lsv> I'm running 12.04
[00:44] <machicola> dr_willis, thanks
[00:44] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: what sites, for example?
[00:44] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, any i can load msn.com in one tab, theverge.com in another, and yahoo.com and watch them all take ten minutes or just spin till they die
[00:45] <daftykins> digitalslave: are you using a static or dynamic private IP?
[00:45] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, usually the first tab goes and the rest get progressively worse. they might get the page layout and then take 10 minutes to display the images or just not load at all
[00:45] <digitalslave> daftykins, i am on Dynamic but it never changes
[00:46] <daftykins> digitalslave: also what is your DNS config? is your computer querying the router or hitting a service directly?
[00:46] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: don't know if they use Flash or HTML5. Flash may be the problem
[00:47] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: i mean it might be a problem with playing, not downloading
[00:47] <digitalslave> daftykins, i hit my router for dns but even changed that to different dns ips with the same result
[00:47] <daftykins> digitalslave: have you tried a clean firefox profile to see if the upgrade went quirky?
[00:47] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, but that would kill entire pages?
[00:47] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: sorry, did you mean video or other media
[00:47] <qxt> Why can't I download the 12.10 version of ubuntu. I keep getting the 12.04 ?
[00:48] <qxt> I don't want the LTS version.
[00:48] <digitalslave> daftykins, ill try that real quick
[00:48] <daftykins> qxt: visit releases.ubuntu.com directly
[00:48] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: that could slow down browser
[00:48] <qxt> daftykins I'll give that a try.
[00:49] <Rallias> So my grandma's laptop currently runs LUbuntu, but is pitifully slow at it (it eats up all her ram :/ ) What can I install that looks similar in interface but is light weight?
[00:49] <_helios_> Rallias, try xubuntu
[00:49] <qxt> daftykins thx daftykins. Works there. Funny  the official site does not give the right version.
[00:50] <Rallias> _helios_, What's it's normal memory footprint?
[00:50] <Ben64> 12.04 is pretty awesome though
[00:50] <daftykins> qxt: how odd, oh well! :) my pleasure.
[00:51] <ubuntu-tester> Rallias: how much RAM in the laptop?
[00:51] <lsv> So for some time now I have not been able to find gnome-terminal using dash's search bar.  Any idea why?  I can run it by using Alt + F2 then writing 'gnome-terminal'
[00:51] <_helios_> Rallias, I have two systems installed with xubuntu 12.1064bit one with 2gb of ram and another with 800gb of ram it seems to utilize what it can,  Good memory management.
[00:51] <Rallias> ubuntu-tester, 256 mb
[00:51] <_helios_> Rallias, not 800gb but 800mb typo lol
[00:51] <Rallias> _helios_, Yeah... my grandma's has 256 mb ram.
[00:51] <ubuntu-tester> Rallias: pityful indeed :)
[00:52] <digitalslave> daftykins, didnt help. 5 tabs open and 3 aren't displaying anything yet
[00:52] <daftykins> Rallias: if you're going for recent distros, 256MB will never cut it
[00:52] <daftykins> digitalslave: hrmm, could be a driver issue then. total guess. can you identify your network chipset and google about it?
[00:52] <digitalslave> daftykins, most of the data is there but all 5 are still spinning
[00:52] <digitalslave> daftykins, i was kinda wondering that earlier
[00:53] <Rallias> daftykins, It runs openbox without much trouble, I just don't want to teach her openbox.
[00:53] <mynick13> Rallias: something like puppylinux would work better
[00:53] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: what ping to these sites show?
[00:53] <digitalslave> daftykins, but everything else is blazing fast
[00:53] <digitalslave> daftykins, i do speed tests and get 30M down still
[00:53] <daftykins> local or online?
[00:53] <daftykins> hmm.
[00:53] <daftykins> try another browser then maybe
[00:54] <daftykins> for fun
[00:54] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, 12-50ms
[00:54] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: stable, no losses or spikes?
[00:54] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, i did speed tests and still got 30M down but it's bear to get anything to load in any browser - no spikes
[00:54] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: run for 2 min
[00:55] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, i have been doing it all day and even had my isp on the line to confirm
[00:55] <Rallias> I think I'm going to try xubuntu.
[00:55] <sabgenton> is there any free for all directory you username can write to (out side of /home)?
[00:55] <daftykins> digitalslave: i'd see how it goes from a livecd/USB too
[00:56] <daftykins> sabgenton: unlikely
[00:56] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: throughput (speedtest),  latency and losses are three different things. all contribute to browsing quality and experience
[00:56] <digitalslave> daftykins, yeah i'm gonna do that but ive also seen installation problems between a live cd and a fresh install so it worries me
[00:57] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: no by default, but you can create one
[00:57] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, i had 12-15ms response to google.com for a good hour earlier and was still getting it i could watch the pings come in constant while the browser stalled
[00:57] <sabgenton> for shure I just mean one allready there
[00:57] <hippiehacker> is there a way to use grub-pc to install grub-pc onto a usb stick while booted on a system with grub-efi intalled without having to remove grub-efi?
[00:58] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: if you have problems with msn, you should ping msn, not google
[00:58] <sabgenton> what is the most readable to all directorys then
[00:58] <sabgenton>  /user/share  i guess?
[00:58] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: yes, for example
[00:59] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, i have problems with all sites - like i said i load up 5-6 sites and it takes 10 minutes to finish loading and a few of them may just die off
[00:59] <dr_willis> sabgenton:  what are you trying to acomplish exactly?
[00:59] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, msn.com doesnt ping back - you need a host that will echo
[01:00] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: well what about 1-2-3 sites, better?
[01:00] <sabgenton> dr_willis: just puting things where all users can see them I guess I dont need write
[01:00] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, other device in my house work just fine
[01:00] <sabgenton> dr_willis: is nobody:nogroup good for that sorta thing?
[01:00] <dr_willis> sabgenton:  'things' ? ;)  what sortof things.. you  could make a directory anywhere and link it to /media/SharedStuff for example
[01:01] <sabgenton> dr_willis: what should I chmod it as
[01:01] <dr_willis> depends on the exact details - read only i think is 644, id have to double check..
[01:02] <dr_willis> !permissions
[01:02] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: other devices are connected through same router? some routers may limit number of simultaneous active connections
[01:02] <sabgenton> or root:root is find...
[01:02] <sabgenton> dr_willis: sorry I mean group owner
[01:02] <sabgenton> find=fine
[01:02] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: sorry, that was for digitalslave :)
[01:02] <dr_willis> dont confuse owner with permissions. :)  you can  let people READ stuff with just permissions
[01:02] <dr_willis> Got a job.. bb in a while..
[01:03] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, yes the router and cable modem have been tested and all devices go though both.
[01:03] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: OK, next guess: do you have firewall set up?
[01:04] <digitalslave> ubuntu-tester, no firewall on the box just on the router and that has not changed since the ubuntu upgrade
[01:04] <sabgenton> dr_willis: ok so just leave the group as root then I guess
[01:05] <ubuntu-tester> digitalslave: and problems started after upgrade?
[01:05] <sabgenton> as root will have to create it in the first place
[01:05] <mittenchops> I subscribe to canonical support, but haven't been able to access the support portal since they changed it in late November.
[01:05] <fellayaboy> hey wheres the option in compiz manager to select an area of the screen to take a screenshot
[01:05] <digitalslave> yeah internet was lightning fast on 12.04 but 12.10 its a nightmare although i'm not have the X crashes like i was in 12.04
[01:05] <unreal82> sabgenton: remember to use chmod to grant read only permissions to the folder you're creating. And yes, use root to create the directory, and give sole ownership to yourself.
[01:06] <sabgenton> unreal82: er do you mean root:root   or  like root:me        or change to me:me
[01:06] <doctorly> what is the best way to scroll up in tty?
[01:07] <sabgenton> shift page up
[01:07] <unreal82> I'd create a group for read only, and make root own it. like so root:<others>
[01:07] <fellayaboy> is there anyway i can select an area of my screen to take a screen shot???
[01:07] <doctorly> that doesnt work for me
[01:07] <sabgenton> are you in screen?
[01:07] <doctorly> nope, just tty
[01:08] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: you better create top directory as root, chown to yourself, and place files as yourself, giving read permissions to others. don't work too mush as root
[01:08] <fellayaboy> i mean the desktop...the X windows and all that regular gui i mean
[01:08] <doctorly> that was the first thing I ttried
[01:08] <sabgenton> doctorly: well thats the nummber one way to do it
[01:08] <fellayaboy> i wanna take a picture of my desktop but a section of it
[01:08] <ubuntu-tester> unreal82: didnt' see your answer :)
[01:09] <sabgenton> if you've learnt screen you that and I think crtl-esc then just use arrows
[01:09] <fellayaboy> i remember with older compiz there was an option to take a screenshot and u can just hight and select
[01:09] <doctorly> I am just in regular tty and it wont scroll up, its off
[01:10] <sabgenton> ubuntu-tester: so  sudo mkdir /bla  ; chown me:me             and so on ?
[01:11] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: yes, i'd add () around for sure
[01:13] <sabgenton> doctorly: if shift page up doesn't scroll somthings non standerd but if you type screen go in to a screen session you can then Ctrl+a  <ESC>  to scroll with keys
 again to end
[01:13] <sabgenton> scrolling
[01:14] <machicola> how do i list directories only in the terminal
[01:14] <ubuntu-tester> machicola: ls
[01:14] <machicola> that lists files & directories
[01:16] <sabgenton> doctorly: another screen trick is use [ instead of esc  then <enter>select text <enter>   then ctrl+A    ]   to paste
[01:16] <sabgenton> well esc or [ are the same
[01:16] <singharkirat> I installed ubuntu 11.10 on lenovo thinkstation s20
[01:17] <singharkirat> I need some help..
[01:17] <brecker> hi, I need to recover some files from two ssd that where hooked up as a raid on a sony notebook with win 7, if i get those darn micro sata adaptors, does anyone know if I should I be able to mount it on a different machine running ubuntu as a deprecated raid and access its files? I'm not really sure if the raid was software or hardware based yet
[01:17] <sabgenton> ubuntu-tester: ok thanks,  why subshell?  ( )
[01:17] <daftykins> brecker: RAID 0 or 1?
[01:18] <brecker> daftykins: i think it is raid 0
[01:18] <singharkirat> Any one? I need help for ubuntu 11.10 ubuntu.....
[01:18] <brecker> daftykins: looking online atm
[01:18] <daftykins> brecker: i think that'd be a really bad idea to try and use Linux for, if for example - the RAID is provided by an intel chipset (motherboard based)
[01:19] <mittenchops> Are the PPAs that Steam linux recommends safe?  ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates?
[01:19] <brecker> daftykins: both ssd's are common 1.8" toshiba ssd's, sony doesn't give much hint on it, still looking
[01:20] <daftykins> brecker: ah it's one of those factory provided RAID configs in a sony laptop?
[01:20] <brecker> daftykins:  Intel® ICH8M-E/ICH9M-E/5 Series SATA RAID Controller Driver
[01:20] <brecker> daftykins: yes
[01:21] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: to be sure both commands will run as root. {} is better i see
[01:21] <psusi> brecker, it's fake raid.. you will need to plug in both disks and install the dmraid package to recognize it
[01:21] <daftykins> brecker: yeah i wouldn't recommend trying to gain access from a Linux, unless you see the volume perfectly at boot
[01:22] <psusi> brecker, you might want to peruse wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
[01:22] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: no {} doesn't work :)
[01:22] <sabgenton> I don't think you can 'sudo' a subshell
[01:22] <psusi> brecker, why do you need to recover externally?  did the laptop die?
[01:22] <brecker> psusi: cool thanks, are there any risks? and you sure it is a fake raid?
[01:23] <psusi> brecker, yep, I'm sure
[01:23] <daftykins> brecker: it's really unlikely there'd be a true RAID controller in there.
[01:23] <sabgenton> this is the way  sudo bash -c 'mkdir /bla ; chown /bla'
[01:23] <brecker> psusi: yes, it has some electrical problems
[01:23] <psusi> brecker, well, hopefully both drives are ok
[01:23] <doctorly> sabgenton: I figured it out, if you switch to another tty session it can delete the others tail. So it just wouldnt scroll up because the tail didnt exist
[01:24] <sabgenton> ubuntu-tester: gta go thanks for the help
[01:24] <sabgenton> doctorly: for shure learn screen it doesn't have that problem :D
[01:25] <daftykins> brecker: should be alright on another intel ICHxR based chipset (i.e. ICH8R, ICH9R, ICH10R)
[01:25] <sabgenton> screen runs shells inside the shell it runs from and you do every thing in there
[01:25] <brecker> psusi: i think so, from time to time it starts for a few seconds then it dies, i think it has some bad solder / capacitor or something else that is bothering, when it starts it almost boots windows, so my guess is that they are good
[01:26] <psusi> daftykins, doesn't have to be same chipset for Linux to recognize it.. you just won't be able to boot from it
[01:26] <daftykins> psusi: i'm recommending not allowing a Linux to look at that volume personally.
[01:27] <daftykins> psusi: but if you're sure it's fine...
[01:29] <brecker> cool, i was planning on accesing it on an amd system
[01:29] <sabgenton> doctorly: also if your bash shell crashes you you get knocked of a remote ssh session you can still get you shell with screen -r or screen -x
[01:29] <daftykins> AMD? chipset? err.
[01:29] <sabgenton> gta go bye :)
[01:30] <skeuomorf> Guys, I have a problem with my Ubuntu, it's Linux ubuntu 3.5.0-21-generic x86_64, I have installed the graphics drivers per this tutorial http://askubuntu.com/a/210565/95523 my problem is that when I shutdown or restart the computer it shows some stuff in command-line and doesn't shut down, I have to do a hard power off from the button to shut it down
[01:30] <skeuomorf> I have searched on askubuntu and google, couldn't find any solution whatsoever
[01:31] <daftykins> skeuomorf: was there something wrong with the ATI drivers ubuntu offered?
[01:31] <skeuomorf> hybrid graphics don't work and the laptop heats up all the time
[01:32] <daftykins> skeuomorf: has that guide's manual download+install solved that?
[01:33] <solrac> how do i   upgrade ubuntu from iso image?
[01:33] <daftykins> solrac: you need the alternate CD image for that. can't do it with the normal install/live one
[01:34] <dr_willis> hmm. htere is no alt-cd for 12.10   but i thought if you booted it - it would ask to upgrade
[01:34] <daftykins> i did not know that
[01:35] <dr_willis> im not sure if you can just pop in the desktop cd and it will ask to upgrade.
[01:35] <sergio> HI
[01:35] <skeuomorf> daftykins: yes, hybrid graphics now works, 2 problems exist though: 1- can't shutdown or reboot normally most of the time. 2- whenever I do apt-get upgrade, it shows me that 3 graphics packages need to be downgraded, 3 fglrx packages, I did that before and lightdm wouldn't open after it, so I unrolled all and went again per the tutorial but this time I didn't upgrade the packages
[01:36] <Guest34539> i need help, i am trying to install the DIvx on my Edubuntu
[01:36] <solrac> shows me only a new installation don't know wy
[01:36] <daftykins> skeuomorf: yeah you're gonna constantly have issues with that, unless you find a way to have APT ignore the fglrx packages. as per shutdown+reboot issue, you might just have to live with it. the best idea would be to post logs of your system at shutdown/reboot and try and see what's going wrong. does it fail with both GPU 'modes' ?
[01:36] <dr_willis> Guest34539:  what 'divx' ?
[01:37] <funky> if i install gnome 3, will i be able to go back to unity? if so how?
[01:37] <dr_willis> funky:  at the login  screen, select the desktop you want to use
[01:37] <k1l> funky: yes
[01:37] <skeuomorf> daftykins: I will maybe block these packages from the update manager. and regarding the shutdown, I was thinking about trying both modes, cause I didn't give that any attention before, n00b mistake
[01:38] <Guest34539> i am trying to watch movies on this website but i need Divx in my compute
[01:38] <skeuomorf> daftykins: It fails using the intel graphics, I am sure of that
[01:38] <solrac> aaaaaaaaa let me see
[01:38] <skeuomorf> daftykins: I will try shutting down using the ATI one now and will be back
[01:38] <skeuomorf> daftykins: Thanks for your help, brb :)
[01:38] <funky> i'm folliwng this tutorial: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html
[01:38] <Public> hi
[01:38] <dr_willis> Guest34539:  what site and whats playing the movie? you could try installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package.  I know of no 'divx' codec or package
[01:38] <funky> at the last step, it says sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-settings
[01:39] <Guest34539> this website  www.veehd.com
[01:39] <funky> Does that remove some of the unity components?
[01:39] <Public> does someone here know how to change the dictionnary set by default in calibre ?
[01:40] <k1l> funky: that is something different from just installing the gnome-shell
[01:40] <Public> oups
[01:40] <Guest34539> or this website too. www.freefullmovies.net
[01:40] <Public> hello
[01:40] <k1l> funky: after that tutorial you cant switch back to unity
[01:41] <Public> is it time for bed ?
[01:41] <Public> #calibre is empty :'(
[01:41] <Guest34539> dr_willis where can i install ubuntu-restricte-extra package?
[01:43] <Ziber> Is there a way I can change the default port that my ssh client tries to connect on?
[01:43] <k1l> Ziber: ssh -p portnumber
[01:43] <Ziber> Yes, but I want it to chose an alternate port (I use a non-standard port on my servers) by default.
[01:43] <dr_willis> Guest34539: its in the package manager tools
[01:44] <dr_willis> Ziber: make an alias or check into the ssh config files
[01:45] <Guest34539> okay i'll be back i am going to try that. Thank you dr_willis
[01:46] <skeuomorf> daftykins: same problem
[01:46] <skeuomorf> daftykins: with the dgpu and igpu
[01:47] <Jikan> seriously, it's a pity there's no way to have Ubuntu displaying filesizes correctly -__-
[01:48] <rushy> can anyone help me, trying to install server 12.10
[01:48] <rushy> it won't see my raid setup only individual disk's
[01:48] <bekks> rushy: Which RAID?
[01:48] <Chanshark> Jikan:  its a pity i have been trying for 3 days to get my wifi usb attachment to work
[01:48] <rushy> raid5
[01:48] <bekks> rushy: Some Mobo RAID?
[01:48] <k1l> Jikan: ?
[01:49] <rushy> yeah
[01:49] <bekks> rushy: Wontwork. Wontfix. Thats a RAID requiring Windows drivers.
[01:50] <rushy> ok so i would need to get a raid controller?
[01:50] <daftykins> Jikan: 'correctly' ?
[01:50] <Chanshark> is anyone having the same problem, they cant get their usb wireless adapter to connect
[01:50] <daftykins> skeuomorf: lames. guess you need to go log trawling!
[01:50] <bekks> rushy: Or you need to setup a software raid in Ubuntu.
[01:50] <Jikan> k1l, daftykins: IEC way, not this silly base 10 system
[01:50] <chamunks> navicat is having a hard time connecting to mysql on a ubuntu default vanilla install.
[01:50] <mrdavid> iptables question. I'm trying to open port 514 to a single ip and block it for everything else. I did "iptables -A INPUT -i venet0:0 -p tcp --dport 514 -j ACCEPT -s <IP_ADDRESS>" and then "iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -p tcp --dport 514" connections from <IP_ADDRESS> are still not coming through
[01:50] <skeuomorf> daftykins: sorry, I am a bit of a n00b in linux, how can I acquire shutdown logs?
[01:51] <skeuomorf> daftykins: cause I have no idea where they're stored
[01:51] <daftykins> skeuomorf: i'm not really 100% on that either.
[01:51] <daftykins> skeuomorf: lots of stuffs in /var/log/
[01:51] <skeuomorf> daftykins: okay, thank you
[01:51] <daftykins> np!
[01:51] <Chanshark> daftykins:  i was wrong
[01:51] <Chanshark> and im mad
[01:52] <daftykins> Chanshark: er, wrong and mad regarding...?
[01:52] <Chanshark> the fing wifi adapter wont work
[01:52] <Chanshark> i have literary tried everything
[01:54] <rushy> bekks: rather not. ok so heres my next question. i'm setting up a server to run web hosting, data, dns and possibly email. its for a small business. i was told by a co-worker at my job that what they do is they have 1 disk (usually a small one) just for the OS then they run RAID for data and other stuff. If i put the os on 1 disk will i still be able to see the raid disk's afterwards if i go
[01:54] <rushy> with a different hardware raid controller?
[01:54] <brecker> psusi: basically i just need to install fakeraid and plug both hds? i was looking on how to procede with fakeraid and plug & play seems too good to be true, or at least should I have both drives connected before bootup?
[01:55] <bekks> rushy: Using a HW RAID controller, I'll just use all disks. Meanwhile, I'll just use a software raid in Ubuntu which is quite more portable.
[01:56] <psusi> brecker, doesn't matter... once you have the drives in and the dmraid package installed, it should show up in /dev/mapper/isw_blahblah
[01:56] <Chanshark> im about to give up t
[01:56] <rushy> bekks: yeah but doens't software raid slow things down? not as reliable?
[01:57] <bekks> rushy: Using a current CPU you wont even notice it.
[01:57] <brecker> psusi: cool, thanks a lot again!
[01:58] <psusi> software raid actually tends to be more reliable
[01:58] <rushy> bekks: well its an older cpu (like 4 years old)
[01:58] <psusi> and the performance difference is minimal
[01:58] <bekks> rushy: You wont notice it.
[01:59] <bekks> rushy: Even with a ten year old CPU your network will be the bottleneck when it comes to fast I/O.
[01:59] <psusi> rushy, there's also no need for a dedicated os disk
[01:59] <bekks> A dedicated OS disk introduces a single point of failure.
[01:59] <psusi> indeed
[02:00] <psusi> so better to not have one
[02:00] <bekks> psusi: ack.
[02:00] <poseidon> Is it possible to install ubuntu with no desktop environment?
[02:00] <poseidon> or without X even
[02:00] <rushy> bekks: ok now my biggest problem....i can't get any iso's to burn or to get on a USB and install the server. i did get most of it to burn on a DVD but every time i burn it says burn failed
[02:00] <bekks> poseidon: Sure.
[02:00] <Jikan> poseidon: yes
[02:00] <poseidon> I just want a base install
[02:00] <bekks> rushy: Then you have a faulty burning device.
[02:01] <rushy> bekks: even USB?
[02:01] <psusi> poseidon, sure, just not with the live cd
[02:01] <rushy> i've used 2 different usb's and still nothing
[02:01] <bekks> rushy: You do not burn things on USB.
[02:01] <Chanshark> i hate usbs
[02:01] <rushy> i know that i'm saying i can't even get a bootable usb to work
[02:02] <sporkboy> okay, I know my wireless connect used to happen before login. Now it does not. How do I change this back?
[02:02] <rushy> its doesn't even show anything. i know i can boot on the usb cause i did it with gparted but i can't get it to work
[02:02] <limpc> daftykins, you around?
[02:03] <limpc> I gave up trying to fix the ubuntu installation and decided to just reinstall clean
[02:03] <daftykins> limpc: yes sir
[02:03] <limpc> however i can't even do that.
[02:03] <daftykins> no?
[02:03] <limpc> usb dies when the installer loads
[02:03] <daftykins> limpc: did you find that PS/2 keyboard to try and check logs?
[02:03] <Chanshark> i have a different reason for a burning hatred towards usbs
[02:04] <limpc> daftykins, yeah i did, but i didn't see anything. it looked like it found usb
[02:04] <limpc> but it also says it found ethernet, but ethernet is also dead
[02:04] <daftykins> =/
[02:04] <daftykins> limpc: this was the new motherboard scenario, was it not?
[02:05] <limpc> ethernet is an r8169 chipset
[02:05] <Chanshark> daftykins:  i give up >.>
[02:05] <Guest34539> hello dr_willis   are you able to run Windows programs in your Ubuntu?
[02:05] <limpc> daftykins, new motherboard scennario?
[02:05] <daftykins> Chanshark: oh, sorry i went to get alcohol.
[02:05] <k1l> !wine | Guest34539
[02:05] <daftykins> Chanshark: yeah i have no idea, sorry
[02:05] <Chanshark> like its detecting it and everything
[02:06] <limpc> anyone here running ubuntu on a gigabyte 990fxa mobo?
[02:06] <daftykins> limpc: i'm not sure what your last problem was, i've kinda forgotten ;x
[02:06] <Chanshark> it just does not want to i really just have no flipping idea what im doing
[02:06] <daftykins> Chanshark: so you get an interface up?
[02:06] <limpc> hm i didn't have a last problem, i haven't been in here except for this issue
[02:06] <Chanshark> would wine do the trick?
[02:06] <daftykins> Chanshark: dear god no
[02:06] <daftykins> wine doesn't do drivers
[02:06] <Chanshark> f
[02:06] <Chanshark> well time to go get 5 bottles of it
[02:07] <limpc> doesn't it with ndiswrapper?
[02:07] <Chanshark> yes
[02:07] <daftykins> limpc: oh so before it was stopping after an upgrade, now it's not booting live?
[02:07] <Chanshark> but newest version of ubuntu and mint broke it
[02:07] <limpc> daftykins, no that was probably someone else.  my problem was from installing a brand new mono and trying to boot up my existing ubuntu os (since both were gigabyte boards i figured they should be ok)
[02:08] <limpc> it boots fine but no USB support, no Ethernet
[02:08] <brecker> psusi: last question, would usb adapters work or I need to connect them to sata ports?
[02:08] <limpc> dmesg shows it finds ethernet
[02:08] <limpc> no errors that i could see
[02:08] <daftykins> limpc: ah so i was right, mobo swap situ
[02:08] <daftykins> mmk
[02:09] <daftykins> limpc: any major differences between new and old?
[02:09] <limpc> oh ok i thought you meant like software or driver upgrade
[02:09] <limpc> well they're pretty far apart. old one is about 3 years old - new one is the latest and greatest from Gigabyte
[02:09] <limpc> old one didn't support more than 8gb ram
[02:09] <Guest34539> but is many types of Wine like wine-gecko1.4, wine1.4-amd64, gnome-exe, wine1.2, wine1.4-dbg, wine1.4-common wine1.2, wine1.3 i dont know which one?
[02:10] <Chanshark> is there wine made for chanshark because he is about to cry because he has been trying to get wifi to work for 3 days now
[02:10]  * daftykins gifts Chanshark a virtualbox installed dl for Windows
[02:11] <daftykins> *installer
[02:11] <Chanshark> :D
[02:12] <limpc> i bet windows will install on this mono :P
[02:12] <limpc> mobo
[02:12] <daftykins> afaik he has Windows and wireless working ;D
[02:12] <daftykins> that's the best part!
[02:12] <psusi> brecker, usb adapters will work
[02:12] <limpc> anyone here running ubuntu on a gigabyte 990fxa mobo?
[02:13] <brecker> psusi: thanks
[02:13] <otend> for a new external hard drive, ext3 or ext4?
[02:13] <otend> (on a moderately powerful system)
[02:14] <psusi> ext4 always
[02:15] <Chanshark> so daftykinsi put "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" into terminal and it outputs "Module ndiswrapper not found"
[02:16] <daftykins> still huh
[02:16] <daftykins> and you deffo 'make' 'd and 'make install' 'd?
[02:16] <Chanshark> huh
[02:17] <Chanshark> i used package manager to install it
[02:17] <daftykins> limpc: sorry if this is too obvious. have you seen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12447480
[02:17] <daftykins> Chanshark: er, the guide said you have to compile ndiswrapper from source to avoid the bug.
[02:17] <ubuntu-tester> otend: ntfs if you plan sharing content with Windows machines
[02:17] <Chanshark> so do i need to remove the ndiswrapper
[02:17] <otend> nope
[02:18] <Chanshark> is that nope directed at me?
[02:18] <otend> I don't have anything against Windows machines, but I wouldn't leave them to watch my children
[02:18] <otend> nah, at ubuntu-tester
[02:18] <Chanshark> oh
[02:18] <daftykins> Chanshark: yeah kill it with fire, download latest ndiswrapper source, compile + install, try again
[02:18] <Chanshark> well i had downloaded a bunch
[02:19] <ubuntu-tester> otend: remember, you can choose friends, bun not their OSes :)
[02:20] <otend> true
[02:20] <limpc> daftykins, hmm no i hadn't seen that. though i saw that a lot of people were having problems with it.  hmm
[02:20] <Chanshark> what i had installed was ndiswrapper-scourse, ndiswrapper-dkms, ndiswrapper-ultils-1.9, ndiswrapper-common
[02:20] <limpc> i just confirmed it does work on the usb 3.0 ports.
[02:20] <otend> fortunately, this is only a portable external because we have a dog that knocks over drives like crazy
[02:20] <Chanshark> *source
[02:20] <otend> and caused the death of my Seagate external
[02:20] <daftykins> limpc: looks like the chipset doesn't work well with Linux in general.
[02:20] <cjae> so what happens when you have firefox and chrome on the same machine and ff has flash 11.2 and chrome  wants higher version
[02:21] <limpc> I've always had gigabyte motherboards - for some 12 years. never had this problem
[02:21] <limpc> strange.
[02:21] <Chanshark> otend:  my seagate external 50 tb death was caused by they left i a screw in the middle and it shorted it
[02:21] <daftykins> limpc: it's an AMD chipset. that's instant alarm bells to me ;x
[02:21] <otend> oof
[02:21] <bentinata> cjae, nothing
[02:21] <daftykins> though i haven't run AMD in years
[02:21] <limpc> pfft
[02:22] <Chanshark> i use floppy disk as storage :D
[02:22] <limpc> I've been on AMD since my first dual cpu Athlon II
[02:22] <limpc> or was it Athlon MP.. i can't remember heh
[02:22] <compdoc>  limpc, are you having netowrk and usb problems?
[02:22] <otend> I eat disk space like mad
[02:22] <limpc> compdoc, yea
[02:22] <Chanshark> so uh daftykins which of the list do i uninstall
[02:23] <limpc> though I've likely found the solution (though not a very fun one)
[02:23] <compdoc> limpc, in the bios, disable IMMOU, or however thats spelt
[02:23] <Chanshark> i found a solution for disk space :D
[02:23] <cjae> bentinata: well wont two versions of flash not work on a machine?
[02:23] <daftykins> Chanshark: probly anything related to ndiswrapper
[02:23] <limpc> compdoc, in which section of the bios, and what is it?
[02:23] <bentinata> cjae, no, that's fine
[02:23] <cjae> bentinata: how will package manager handle it
[02:24] <fireshibby> here's a quick question, I'm running Ubuntu 11.10, and It's on a failing laptop hard drive xD any gustimations on how long I have?
[02:24] <bentinata> cjae, install the flash player inside the browser
[02:24] <Chanshark> uuh yea daftykins its not letting me remove it
[02:24] <fiveofoh> Umm, yesterday?  The OS doesn't have much to do with failing hard drive life
[02:24] <compdoc> limpc, I dont remember. After setting up my Gigabyte board a couple of months ago, I havent messed with it much. Does it boot to the desktop ok?
[02:24] <fiveofoh> Find yourself a backup drive and get on it :P
[02:24] <daftykins> Chanshark: don't look at me!
[02:24] <bentinata> cjae, just try it! ;)
[02:25] <fireshibby> I have an external that I save my stuff on :p but i've been running on the failing drive for at least 4 months
[02:25] <compdoc> limpc, oh, it has do to with hardware passthru for virtual machines
[02:25] <limpc> yes it does
[02:25] <Chanshark> it says if i uninstall it, it will remove mint-meta-core mintwifi ndisgtk ndiswrapper-dkms
[02:25] <cjae> bentinata: i c,
[02:25] <Guest34539> which Wine do i have to install, since is many of them, like this one, Wine-gecko1, gecko1.4, wine1.4amd64 or wine1.4 common, wine1.2, wine1.2, wine1.3?
[02:25] <cmj141> hi
[02:25] <johnnyapplewood> probably a really stupid question... is it possible to extend partition sizes across drives (without using RAID)?
[02:25] <fiveofoh> Well yeah, that's the nature of failing HD, you're running on borrowed time.  As long as you're well-backed-up, I guess wait until it fails and replace it
[02:25] <fiveofoh> Or replace it now if you can
[02:26] <johnnyapplewood> i have a 2TB drive in my machine plus a 500GB and I dont want to lose data but i'd like to extend them across each other
[02:26] <fireshibby> my uncle said he has a spare drive he's gonna give to me, it's all up to when I can meet up with him.
[02:26] <fiveofoh> Hey all.  Just upgraded to 12.04, which uses PHP 5.3.10, which has a critical-to-me that wasn't fixed until 5.3.11.  Don't want to upgrade to 5.4 yet because it threw all kinds of errors...what are my options?
[02:26] <fiveofoh> *critical-to-me bug
[02:26]  * fireshibby cant update to 12.04
[02:26] <cmj141> question, if you download and zip from the internet and extract it yourself.. how does one create a shortcut say in the window manager?
[02:26] <johnnyapplewood> downgrade
[02:26] <bentinata> johnnyapplewood, your nickname is too long
[02:26] <fiveofoh> Downgrade my OS, or can I just download PHP?
[02:27] <fiveofoh> *downgrade
[02:27] <Chanshark> so yea daftykins how do i compile it from the source because incase this crashes my interwebz
[02:27] <limpc> compdoc, mine is already disabled
[02:27] <johnnyapplewood> if u can find the old version of PHP just downgrade that
[02:27] <compdoc> shucks
[02:27] <cjae> bentinata: it was just lingering around in my head, as I am a ff fanman and hate to see what is happening...
[02:27] <johnnyapplewood> u'll need to purge the current one first
[02:27] <daftykins> Chanshark: well the bug page had a guide, maybe save that locally?
[02:27] <fiveofoh> There aren't any available versions previously in the precise repos, but can I add a previous version's repo and force the version?
[02:27] <Chanshark> where is it again
[02:28] <bentinata> cjae, I'm a FF fan too xD
[02:28] <daftykins> Chanshark: er say 'bug ###' and it'll link you
[02:28] <compdoc> limpc, search your manual for "PCI Latency Timer" does that exist in yours?
[02:28] <Chanshark> bug ###
[02:28] <ubuntu-tester> cmj141: shortcut for what, program, doc?
[02:28] <Chanshark> errrr
[02:28] <Guest34539> can someone help me with my question, since is many of the Wine to install i dont know which to install?
[02:28] <fiveofoh> I could also compile from source and checkinstall, but I don't know what configure options Ubuntu uses and don't want to break them
[02:28] <bentinata> Guest34539, I use wine1.5
[02:29] <daftykins> !wine | Guest34539
[02:29] <cjae> bentinata: kind of harsh thing to happen to a path clearing company
[02:29] <ubuntu-tester> johnnyapplewood: extending is possible with lvm but you have to move data somewhere temporarily
[02:30] <daftykins> Chanshark: the hashes need to be the bug number ;)
[02:30] <johnnyapplewood> blehs...
[02:30] <Chanshark> how do i know what the bug number is...
[02:30] <johnnyapplewood> sigh.. gonna have to find my external drive now :-(
[02:30] <compdoc> limpc, hopefully youve downloaded the manual in pdf
[02:30] <aj_> after i've hit ctrl alt f1 ... what do i type to get back to the desktop ?
[02:31] <bentinata> aj_, alt+f7
[02:31] <Chanshark> johnnyapplewood:  i have a cloud in my house, so i gess you could say my house is foggy he he he
[02:31] <aj_> thank you bentinata
[02:31] <johnnyapplewood> a cloud in your house? by definition a cloud is not on a LAN
[02:31] <bentinata> aj_, you're welcome :)
[02:31] <johnnyapplewood> otherwise it's a NAS
[02:31] <johnnyapplewood> or possibly just a share
[02:31] <Chanshark> i have a server room with 601 tb disk space
[02:31] <johnnyapplewood> 601?
[02:32] <Chanshark> yes 601 tb
[02:32] <johnnyapplewood> how did you get 601?
[02:32] <johnnyapplewood> that's an odd number
[02:32] <johnnyapplewood> you have 601 x 1TB drives?
[02:32] <Chanshark> well there is a 1tb drive in there lol
[02:32] <Chanshark> + 600tb
[02:32] <ubuntu-tester> cmj141: in Nautilus context menu for a file choose Make Link, then move link to desktop
[02:33]  * fiveofoh is gonna try adding an oneiric repo and forcing version
[02:34] <Chanshark> johnnyapplewood:  also known as 660,806,488,293,376 Byte
[02:34] <johnnyapplewood> pray tell... how do you power that many drives at once?
[02:34] <Chanshark> with power?
[02:34] <Ben64> !ot
[02:34] <ubuntu-tester> Chanshark: you work and live in a datacenter? :)
[02:34] <johnnyapplewood> cant with standard residential wiring
[02:34] <johnnyapplewood> exactly i was just doing the math... not possible
[02:34] <Chanshark> lol no i use solor pannels just for that room
[02:35] <johnnyapplewood> yea now i know your lying
[02:35] <Ben64> none of this is ubuntu support, take it elsewhere
[02:35] <Chanshark> that room has its own power source
[02:35] <johnnyapplewood> see you in #ubuntu-ot
[02:36] <Chanshark> lol johnnyapplewood i only buy more space why its 75% off or more
[02:37] <Chanshark> like 500-570 tb i got for 90% off lol
[02:37] <Chanshark> i consider it a great investment :D
[02:38] <Chanshark> bug #986064
[02:38] <djzn> any news on works for getting unity dash on the bottom?
[02:39] <josh_> given that the overlay scrollbars are quite possibly the most hated ubuntu feature of all time, why are they still there?
[02:39] <Chanshark> daftykins:  i found it!
[02:40] <Chanshark> well her we go
[02:40] <daftykins> Chanshark: :O
[02:40] <Chanshark> time to uninstall these thingy
[02:41] <Chanshark> i have a 99% feeling im about to delete my system32 but for linux
[02:41] <chamunks> Anyone here used navicat to access mysql on an ubuntu target before?
[02:41] <ubuntu-tester> djzn: there's a fork in early-early alpha, forgot it's name
[02:42] <Chanshark> its removing it
[02:42] <Chanshark> all most done
[02:42] <anunnaki> anyone familiar with this? Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"
[02:42] <leidner> does anyone in here have good experiences with free DNS providers?
[02:42] <ubuntu-tester> Chanshark: wrong tab?
[02:43] <Chanshark> lol im just kidding
[02:43] <bentinata> anunnaki, me
[02:43] <bentinata> anunnaki, you can help?
[02:44] <ubuntu-tester> anunnaki: OpenDNS works pretty well for me
[02:44] <leidner> thanks anunnaki
[02:44] <ubuntu-tester> anunnaki: sorry that was for leidner
[02:44] <leidner> is there a good description out there how to set up a linux box for remote ssh from the net?
[02:44] <leidner> (incl DNS etc)
[02:45] <leidner> thanks in advance for any pointers
[02:45] <Guest55078> Hello.
[02:45] <ubuntu-tester> leidner: oh, you mean Dyndns etc., got you wrong
[02:46] <Guest55078> Right, now I need to remember how to change my nickname in IRC -scratches head-
[02:46] <leidner> ubuntu-tester: yes
[02:46] <bentinata> it call "epiphany-browser"
[02:46] <djzn> ubuntu-tester: a fork of what
[02:47] <BlackDalek> If I install ubuntu onto my imac (an early intel core duo), do I need to install the 32bit or 64bit ubuntu?
[02:47] <Chanshark> uuh daftykins terminal is saying it does not  understand these commands
[02:47] <ubuntu-tester> djzn: of Unity, with bottom placement
[02:47] <djzn> ubuntu-tester: why does it need to be  a fork, just put the implementation right through...
[02:48] <CrusaderAD> does anyone know wtf this evolution-calendar error is that keeps popping up?
[02:48] <daftykins> Chanshark: look up a guide on compiling mebbe
[02:49] <fireshibby> Guest55078, just use /nick -nickname here-
[02:49] <BlackDalek> has anyone here got ubuntu installed on an imac?
[02:49] <GOSEAHAWX> Holy fuck
[02:50] <feeshon> Running KVM on ubuntu....What is the best place to store the qcow files?
[02:50] <Guest55078> I just installed mine on my old dell -sweatdrop-
[02:50] <fireshibby> I have ubuntu on my old dell too :p due to the hard drive failing it can only run ubuntu perfectly normal, but i have no problem with it
[02:50] <clfs> join #c
[02:51] <fiveofoh> Hmm, well after some fiddling with dependencies, looks like I've successfully downgraded to PHP 5.3.6
[02:51] <fiveofoh> Yay :D
[02:51] <Guest55078> Well, my only issue is I can't get the WiFi to work.
[02:52] <fireshibby> o.o
[02:52] <fireshibby> what dell do you have?
[02:52] <Chanshark> daftykins:  im crazy confused
[02:52] <Guest55078> Dell insperon 1318
[02:52] <ubuntu-tester> djzn: a while ago i asked such question myself. I went so far that downloaded a sources, read it and found no traces of such options or code paths.  seems that it even never been designed! wrote my frustration to dev maillist. still no answer
[02:52] <fireshibby> hmm.. Mine's an Inspiron 1520, do you have the wifi switch on the side?
[02:53] <Guest55078> It does, and its happily resting in the 'On' Position.
[02:53] <clfs> ifconfig -a
[02:53] <Guest55078> First things first, how do I change my nickname in IRC?
[02:54] <daftykins> Chanshark: it's time i let you fend for yourself, young grasshopper - go forth and compile!
[02:54] <djzn> ubuntu-tester: I see... well, i figure that if I had the dash on the bottom, I could make icons smaller, it would have much more icons... and it would be kinda more tolerable to see things in the horizontal view, since we have two eyes....
[02:54] <clfs> \/nick  yourname
[02:54]  * Chanshark gets stepped on
[02:54] <ubuntu-tester> Guest55078: ask it on #freenode
[02:54] <Thalen> There we go.
[02:56] <ubuntu-tester> djzn: try cairo-dock
[02:57] <WaY> hello
[02:57] <Thalen> Alright, now thats taken care of, I checked in terminal under " lshw -C network" and it detects that the wifi adapter is there.
[02:57] <hplc> odd, i get weird notes in my FW logs regarding port, its not a single port number but in format "80>800" any ideas what this means?
[02:57] <Thalen> Hey WaY
[02:57] <bentinata> WaY, hello
[02:58] <WaY> does anybody knows if there is a linux distribution for Intel Atom processors? like Raspbian for Raspberry?
[02:58] <bentinata> Thalen, hey thats rhyme
[02:58] <Thalen> Huh?
[02:58] <fireshibby> Thalen sounds like an epic name for a story character.
[02:59]  * fireshibby steals it and gives credit in the little notes in the beginning
[02:59] <Thalen> I thought I was being clever back when I was 13,
[02:59] <Thalen> But I've read like 3 fantasy novels that use it since then, Alas.
[02:59] <Thalen> Correction: Alas, poor Thalen.
[02:59] <ubuntu-tester> WaY: Meego?
[02:59] <fireshibby> oh .-. darn. Cuz i'm after a name for a story im writing and have writers block xD
[03:00] <ubuntu-tester> hplc: please pastebin exact messages
[03:00] <Thalen> Feel free to use it lol.
[03:00] <WaY> mmm, but meego is almost dead, isn't it?
[03:00] <fireshibby> :D
[03:00] <fireshibby> in the notes I'll say "Credit to Thalen, for letting me use his name" xD
[03:01] <bentinata> WaY, my friend has acer aspire, and He install BT5
[03:01] <Thalen> And when I get to finishing my magnus opus, I'll credit to however helps me with my WiFi lol
[03:01] <ubuntu-tester> WaY: not sure, maybe
[03:01] <fireshibby> so in a few years, if you ever stumble across a book called The Great War, your name will be in it :p
[03:01] <Thalen> Excellent.
[03:02] <WaY> bts bentinata? whats that?
[03:02] <Thalen> And since my real name isn't bob or something common whenever I stumble across it in a book or something I'm like "LOOOOOK!"
[03:02] <fireshibby> Gah I have the whole series planned out in my mind too. 6 books, 3 of them are short stories that tie in perfectly to main books .-.
[03:02] <bentinata> not bts, bt5
[03:02] <bentinata> backtrack 5
[03:03] <bentinata> WaY, every linux is good for every processor
[03:03] <fireshibby> Linux is fantastic for anything.
[03:03] <Thalen> I'm considering badgering Bioware for a chance to write a video game lol
[03:03] <Thalen> I'm enjoying the hell out of Ubuntu so far on my 5 year old laptop.
[03:03] <fireshibby> Do it xP DUDE! PM me, i had a fantastic idea xD
[03:03] <Thalen> So smooth!
[03:03] <Ben64> hey, take offtopic talk to #ubuntu-offtopic  --- leave this channel for ubuntu support only
[03:03] <Thalen> Sorry! >.>
[03:03] <fireshibby> thats why i said pm .-.
[03:04] <hplc> ubuntu-tester, i cant, the second i allow webtraffic out i get more and more and more of these sucessfull connects, it almost got my FW down
[03:04] <Thalen> I do need help however.
[03:04] <Ben64> not just you guys, lots of ot going on right now
[03:04] <WaY> the problem I think is that the nvidia drivers doesn't works as flawless as in windows. I've got an nvidia ion 2
[03:04] <ubuntu-tester> ok paste one line here
[03:05] <WaY> thats why I was looking for a specific linux distribution
[03:05] <bentinata> WaY, oh, vga problem
[03:05] <bentinata> anyone can help?
[03:05] <WaY> I've got the official drivers, but sometimes it doesn't reproduce 1080p smooth
[03:06] <Ben64> bentinata: whats up?
[03:06] <WaY> and the cpu is idle all time
[03:06] <Chanshark> the sky!
[03:06] <Chanshark> oh i have been waiting to say that joke all day Ben64
[03:06] <ubuntu-tester> WaY: i don't think you can solve drivers' problems by changing distros
[03:06] <Ben64> Chanshark: its not wanted in this channel
[03:07] <WaY> I was thinking on installing windows 7, because of the drivers
[03:07] <bentinata> Ben64, WaY has problem setting-up nvidia ion 2 driver
[03:07] <bentinata>
[03:07] <Chanshark> wait ben are you good with setting up drivers?
[03:07] <hplc> ubuntu-tester, i cant write the IPs here on irc, but it goes: [ip number] port 80>800
[03:07] <Ben64> i'm good at everything
[03:07] <Chanshark> ok i really need help installing my wifi drivers
[03:08] <Chanshark> i have spent 3 days trying to install them
[03:08] <WaY> I've got setup the driver and I'm using the vdpau lib, so the CPU is not working hard in decode the film
[03:08] <Chanshark> its a netgear n600 wireless dual band usb adapter WNDA3100v2
[03:08] <WaY> but sometimes I see a little jump between scenes
[03:08] <Ben64> WaY: there probably isn't much to be done with that, that chip is very limited
[03:09] <WaY> but ion2 it is supposed to works fine with 1080p
[03:09] <Guest34539> i had install wine and it doesnt work to run windows programs
[03:09] <WaY> and when my samsung tv decodes via Plex the same movie, it do it perfectly
[03:09] <Chanshark> ben please i beg of you i have spent the past 35 hours trying to get it to work :(
[03:09] <Ben64> !appdb | Guest34539
[03:10] <Ben64> WaY: you can't compare a netbook to a tv : /
[03:10] <Guest34539> do i have to download?
[03:10] <ubuntu-tester> WaY: supposed under Windows i think. :)
[03:10] <Ben64> Chanshark: you should.... get a better card
[03:10] <WaY> yeah, thats whay I was thinking, moving to windows :(
[03:10] <Chanshark> its a usb adapter and it costed 60$ :(
[03:11] <Ben64> Chanshark: ouch. use monoprice next time
[03:11] <ubuntu-tester> hplc: where do you see these logs and what FW is it?
[03:11] <Chanshark> whats monorpice
[03:11] <Ben64> website for cheap components/cables
[03:12] <Chanshark> better then newegg?
[03:12] <escott> !broadcom | Chanshark
[03:12] <WaY> I've got all my external HD in ext3, I'm going to have a problem with windows
[03:12] <Ben64> Chanshark: www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?p_id=8072
[03:12] <dr_willis> there are ext3 tools for windows..
[03:13] <hplc> ubuntu-tester, IPfire distro and it shows up in the "connections" window
[03:14] <Chanshark> ben64 i think my thing is faster
[03:15] <Chanshark> im not realy sure how to tell
[03:15] <ubuntu-tester> hplc: well it's ubuntu channel not IPFire
[03:15] <Chanshark> or would it be better to just run a eithernet cabble
[03:15] <Ben64> ethernet is always better
[03:15] <ubuntu-tester> hplc: Wiki tells it's not even Debian-based
[03:15] <Chanshark> ok tomorrow i'll go buy a 400 ft cabble and run it though the wall
[03:16] <fireshibby> I like eternet, but for me, i prefer wireless at the rate I move around in my house.
[03:16] <Chanshark> well i cant move my desktop around willy nilly
[03:16] <dr_willis> i run cable throgh the heat ducts
[03:16] <Ben64> Chanshark: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?p_id=8076
[03:16] <Chanshark> meh il just run it though my wall
[03:16] <Ben64> 300mbit adapter with linux support
[03:16] <_SKiTZO> im on 12.04 and I have trouble with frequent small lockups. I am trying to diagnose the cause of the problem. I have reinstalled fresh and the exact same problem occurred
[03:16] <fireshibby> Oh, I had a question about a problem i encounter
[03:17] <Ben64> Chanshark: where are you getting a 400ft ethernet
[03:17] <ubuntu-tester> hplc: join #ipfire andask there
[03:17] <fireshibby> I'm currently on 11.10, which Is pretty fantastic to me, but when I try to update to 12.04 LTS, it freezes during the install and then everything crashes and I have to reinstall 11.10. Any ideas?
[03:17] <Chanshark> home depot
[03:17] <_SKiTZO> most of the time it runs smooth, but when i perform certain actions like open a file save dialogue in certain apps it locks up
[03:17] <hplc> ubuntu-tester, on my ubuntu 12.04 desktop it shows up in ntop as "anomalies", and i tried in that chan all day
[03:17] <_SKiTZO> for a short time
[03:17] <_SKiTZO> really annoying.
[03:17] <_SKiTZO> any hints?
[03:18] <FloodBot1> _SKiTZO: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:18] <escott> fireshibby, don't upgrade do a direct install
[03:18] <fireshibby> .-. ok. think that will help sort it all out? because I want to be on the latest but this is the first time i've ever encountered a problem with upgrading
[03:18] <escott> fireshibby, you should also verify that your graphics drivers are working and see if you need to mess around with nomodeset
[03:19] <Ben64> escott: usually updates work fine
[03:19] <ubuntu-tester> _SKiTZO: does hdd flash in that moments?
[03:19] <fireshibby> My graphics drivers run fantastically, i have a Dell Inspiron 1520 with an nVidia graphcs driver and i've had no problems
[03:19] <_SKiTZO> ubuntu-tester: yes the hd light often is very active
[03:19] <escott> fireshibby, you will probably need nomodeset since it is nvidia
[03:20] <fireshibby> ok. Think it would run fine then afterwards?
[03:20] <diverdude> Is there an editor that can access a file via ftp, and edit it and save it directly to the ftp location again?
[03:20] <_SKiTZO> i have tested hd performance with a dd to and from dev zero/null and it shows 200mb/sec read and 150 mb/s write
[03:21] <escott> _SKiTZO, what filesystem are you using
[03:21] <ubuntu-tester> _SKiTZO: pastebin your top, ideally at that moment or right after
[03:21] <Serot0ne> kyo
[03:21] <Serot0ne> Test
[03:21] <Serot0ne> Test
[03:21] <Serot0ne> TEst.
[03:21] <jrib> diverdude: I'm sure there are lots of options.  I know vim can.  You could also probably mount the ftp somewhere and use any editor you want
[03:21] <_SKiTZO> ubuntu-tester: ext4 on md (raid0)
[03:22] <_SKiTZO> ubuntu-tester: will a ps aux do?
[03:22] <ubuntu-tester> _SKiTZO: maybe your system thrashes on memory
[03:22] <escott> _SKiTZO, perhaps fsync is having to wait on both disks to finish their writes
[03:22] <_SKiTZO> yes. memory usage is not extensive
[03:22] <_SKiTZO> and no swap is active
[03:22] <ubuntu-tester> _SKiTZO: no, need to see memory usage
[03:23] <_SKiTZO> ok
[03:23] <_SKiTZO> ill see if i can provoke it
[03:24] <sabgenton> ubuntu-tester: hey (again) what do you think of nobody:nogroup   vs me:me for general shares?
[03:24] <ubuntu-tester> what drives in raid? same model/size?
[03:25] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: think it's bad idea
[03:25] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: create another user if you want
[03:25] <sabgenton> well the files I'm shareing are for everyone thats all
[03:26] <sabgenton> ah ok fair enough
[03:26] <escott> sabgenton, nobody:users might make more sense
[03:26] <sabgenton> ubuntu-tester: what is a good situation to use nobody  or nogroup out of interest?
[03:27] <sabgenton> or is it generally seen as a bad idea theses days
[03:27] <escott> sabgenton, usually applications set their effective uid to nobody/nogroup to deny themselves access to the filesystem
[03:27] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: nobody meant to have no rights and no property on the system at all, including files
[03:28] <sabgenton> escott: but then if you break into nobody you control those apps!
[03:28] <escott> sabgenton, so
[03:28] <ubuntu-tester> sabgenton: some daemons downgrade its privileges to nobody to minimize security risks
[03:29] <limpc> so, i installed drivers for my ethernet's r8168 chipset manually. however i still can't get internet :(
[03:30] <limpc> lspci shows ethernet, the light is on on the ethernet jack (active connection), lsmod shows the r8168 loaded
[03:30] <limpc> i don't know wtf more to do
[03:30] <kepler> ifconfig see it?
[03:30] <daftykins> ifconfig -a got an interface?
[03:30] <bazhang> r8168-dkms   limpc this? from the repos?
[03:31] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: or look for it in network manager
[03:31] <limpc> yes ifconfig sees it
[03:31] <daftykins> limpc: is the interface up? 'sudo dhclient eth0' if it's eth0
[03:31] <limpc> bazhang, no i downloaded it direct from realtek and used their autorun.sh to install (which was successful)
[03:32] <daftykins> or statically address
[03:32] <limpc> dhcp refused to fetch an address, so i defined a static one with the correct gateway (i had this on a static ip before anyway)
[03:32] <daftykins> ping success?
[03:32] <limpc> no
[03:32] <limpc> i can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:32] <daftykins> =/
[03:32] <limpc> i don't get it.
[03:33] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: pastebin ifconfig, route -n
[03:33] <limpc> um ..
[03:34] <limpc> pate bin requires internet :P
[03:34] <limpc> er pastebin. stupid autocorrection
[03:34] <savagecroc> I'm running a production webserver which will be running nginx/ruby/postgres.  How often should i run apt-get update, what's the chances of it breaking stuff when i do? what's a good way of testing and making sure updates work?
[03:34] <ubuntu-tester> oh yes, IRC doesn't, how could I forget!
[03:34] <limpc> I'm on another computer here.
[03:35] <escott> savagecroc, as often as you have time to fix it if it does or as often as you are willing to have downtime if you cant
[03:35] <Sna4x8> I have the most annoying bug.  On one of my computers (happens to be my main development machine) vim doesn't refresh.  SSHing and using vim on the same machine works fine though.  Is that a video card issue most likely?
[03:35] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: flash drive?
[03:35] <limpc> no, usb doesn't work either
[03:36] <limpc> apparently theres an issue with the ubuntu stock kernel and GA-990FXA mobos
[03:36] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: how can you be sure
[03:36] <limpc> because I've been here for hours and people have helped figure out the issue(s) :P
[03:37] <limpc> usb only works for usb 3.0, the 2.0 ports are not working.  I have mouse/kbd on the 2 usb 3.0 ports provided by the mobo
[03:37] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: ok then i give up
[03:38] <limpc> you just want a paste bin to confirm that eth1 has an ip / route / net mask configured yes?
[03:38] <limpc> they are there and configured. I verified that
[03:38] <escott> limpc, have you tried setting it up as a patch cable to another machine running wireshark
[03:38] <leidner> nite nite
[03:39] <savagecroc> escott: ok.. so pretty much i have to expect that it might break stuff and test
[03:39] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: yes, ok. if you suspect drivers then take escott's advice
[03:40] <savagecroc> escott: for security purposes thought.. what's ok.. once a month, once every 6 months?
[03:40] <escott> savagecroc, depends on what "production" means. if your production machine goes does do you get fired? do people die? would either of those outcomes bother you?
[03:40] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: and watch dmesg in the process
[03:40] <ubuntu-tester> limpc: maybe tcpdump will do instead of wireshark
[03:41] <escott> savagecroc, for security purposes i guess the question is what is on those machines and what happens if you get hacked? does the company lose billions of dollars? do terrorists get nuclear weapons? would either of those outcomes bother you?
[03:41] <savagecroc> escott: yeah i can work out times of day when people are using most of the system.. or failing that i can just clone the entire vm and test separatly and then change them over
[03:41] <escott> savagecroc, its entirely too vague to answer the question in any meaningful sense
[03:42] <escott> savagecroc, i do updates on my desktop 2-3 times a week. maybe once every two months i will have a minor issue.
[03:42] <ubuntu-tester> savagecroc: testing on separate machine/virtual is a good way. also prod servers are usually reserved
[03:42] <savagecroc> i'm trying to get some guage at how often good sysadmins update their systems.  i'm running a webapp with 10,000 users but with no particular strategic value for most people (although maybe people would want to steal our code)
[03:43] <savagecroc> ubuntu-tester: i could move the database onto a separate server, then that way i can have two machines connecting to the same DB
[03:44] <savagecroc> ubuntu-tester: then i can just setup my local hostfile to connect to the new machine and make updates and take the other one out of service.. but then i'd also need to setup some sort a load balancer :/
[03:44] <savagecroc> escott: yeah the thing with desktops though, is they run a lot more stuff than most servers
[03:47] <ubuntu-tester> savagecroc: really good sysadmins make checklist with their critical apps (including kernel) and watch their security bulletins daily. and leave all other components just working, no updates. but 10k users case is probably not THAT serious
[03:50] <Guest34539> how to install or download the winehq?
[03:50] <Basil1x> 12.10-64bit Toshiba l755-s5167.  Sound says 'Dummy Output'.  Until late Dec. I have had no issues whatsoever.  Everything has worked flawlessly for over a year.  In attempting to fix this, my audio applet in the bar has disappeared.  I would like it back, and would like sound to work.
[03:50] <daftykins> Guest34539: go to #winehq
[03:52] <Guest34539> i am at this website. appdb.winehq.org  what do i have to do here/
[03:52] <bazhang> Guest34539, search with it
[03:53] <Toph2> Guest34539,,, at the top of that site, click WineHQ tab and go from there
[03:53] <ubuntu-tester> savagecroc: the problem with your approach above is that booting and wgetting main page successfully does not show problems which real traffic and real load show. so having a balancer and redirecting traffic partially for testing is good idea
[03:54] <Guest34539> i so and now it said Welcome i dont know where to go?
[03:55] <bazhang> Guest34539, use it to search if your windows app works with Wine on Ubuntu
[03:55] <savagecroc> ubuntu-tester: yeah.. we are thinking for our future project.. we want to do something like.. upgrade server on our testing cluster, test that after it passes, add one updated server to the main cluster.  Stick all the beta-tester users on it.. if there is a single error immediately take it offline and revert them back to older nodes, rinse, repeat.  When there are no errors, add a few more users.. continue until it works and then grad
[03:55] <savagecroc> ually phase out the old nodes
[03:55] <bazhang> Guest34539, IT's a Search Engine.   Use it to Search.
[03:56] <Toph2> Guest34539,,, why not download and install from Ubuntu Software Center?
[03:57] <dcherniv> savagecroc, wait what?
[03:57] <dcherniv> savagecroc, on a load balancer?
[03:57] <savagecroc> dcherniv: nah nah, for a webserver behind the load-balancer
[03:57] <ubuntu-tester> Guest34539 actually you better google 'wine yourprogram problems'
[03:57] <Guest34539> also i go where it ubuntu Software Center but i dont know which one to install because it many to choose from?
[03:57] <savagecroc> load-balancer -> webservers (multiple) -> databases-servers(multiple)
[03:58] <ubuntu-tester> savagecroc: that's even better
[03:58] <dcherniv> savagecroc, what we do is, 1 storage array for all users that is mounted on the webservers over NFS
[03:58] <savagecroc> dcherniv: right, and the storage array runs on another machine?
[03:58] <dcherniv> savagecroc, that you wont have to migrate anyone anywhere, all servers share common storage
[03:58] <dcherniv> savagecroc, yes
[03:59] <ubuntu-tester> Guest34539 what's program?
[03:59] <savagecroc> we have very few user files.. nearly everything is in the postgres database
[03:59] <Guest34539> wine, Q4wine,  wine1.2 wine1.3 and more
[03:59] <dcherniv> savagecroc, if you plan for the future a separate storage server will make things easier in the long run
[04:00] <ubuntu-tester> dcherniv: ...and single bug can corrupt data for all servers at once
[04:00] <bazhang> Guest34539, what version of ubuntu are you using
[04:00] <savagecroc> i assume for storage of the database.. you would just leave the db storage on the same machine as thats running the database.. i.e. no point separting db storage and the db server
[04:00] <dcherniv> ubuntu-tester, yes but they are on the load balancer anyhow,
[04:00] <Guest34539> edubuntu 12.10
[04:00] <savagecroc> dcherniv: yeah.. you mean even if it's tiny image
[04:00] <ubuntu-tester> Guest34539 what program do you want to run under Wine?
[04:00] <savagecroc> i.e. some ubuntu box with 256mb of ram
[04:00] <bazhang> Guest34539, and what windows app do you want to use
[04:00] <dcherniv> ubuntu-tester, a single bug where?
[04:00] <Guest34539> like winamp and Divx
[04:01] <ubuntu-tester> dcherniv: in app
[04:01] <dcherniv> savagecroc, if its a tiny image why use a load balancer?
[04:01] <bazhang> Guest34539, use audacious and mplayer
[04:01] <dr_willis> divx what exactly?
[04:01] <savagecroc> dcherniv: what IP do the users connect to?
[04:01] <dcherniv> ubuntu-tester, you do snapshots of the storage server
[04:01] <sk1special> so..anyone know how i install 12.10 on windows 8 while keeping the windows boot menu?
[04:01] <bazhang> Guest34539, there is zero reason to use those with wine as Ubuntu provides Better native software apps
[04:02] <savagecroc> so lets say you have https://mybigwebapp.com it has to then decide which webserver to connnect which user too
[04:02] <Guest34539> divx is where you can play movies online like Www.veehd.com and www.freefulmovies.net
[04:02] <dcherniv> savagecroc, right
[04:02] <savagecroc> also i want to split them up so.. like these 1000 users goto this machine, these 1000 users goto that
[04:02] <dcherniv> savagecroc, why do you want that?
[04:02] <savagecroc> that way we don't have to do anything awkward like manage clustered databases
[04:03] <dcherniv> savagecroc, you will have to do clustered databases anyway
[04:03] <ubuntu-tester> sk1special: save MBR and restore afterwards?
[04:03] <dr_willis> Guest34539:  divx is  the mpeg4 codec with some extensions.
[04:03] <dcherniv> savagecroc, otherwise how you gonna keep the databases consistent across the servers?
[04:03] <savagecroc> two reasons, location.. our users are in totally different locations (i.e. china / australia), second easy scalability
[04:03] <Guest34539> yeah
[04:03] <savagecroc> dcherniv: by using scripts to replicate the data across multiple servers
[04:03] <dr_willis> so most any player that can play mpeg4 can play divx
[04:03] <dcherniv> savagecroc, not a good idea
[04:04] <bazhang> Guest34539, so audacious and mplayer. No need for Wine
[04:04] <savagecroc> dcherniv: also that means you can replicate between differnt versions of the software.. i.e. imagine you have node A running version 56   and node B running version 57.. you can copy all the users to node B and change the datastructure of their data.. and then they can connect to either
[04:04] <sk1special> ubuntu-tester, there is a way to do it without doing that..i have half of it saved in a word file..but i can not find the original link
[04:04] <Guest34539> so i should get from Ubuntu Software Center?
[04:04] <bazhang> yes
[04:04] <dr_willis> veehd seems to be using shockwave-flash as the plugin to watch movies
[04:05] <dcherniv> savagecroc, how will you know which databases has the most relevant information
[04:05] <savagecroc> dcherniv: i can't see the database cluster working... i think it would be better to have separate database machines
[04:05] <ubuntu-tester> Guest34539 iv you want to encode video use Avidemux
[04:05] <dcherniv> savagecroc, when in geographically different areas i dont see how the loadbalancer will work either?
[04:05] <dr_willis> and the freefulmovies.net is just a spammy search site taht links to other sites..
[04:06] <Toph2> anything in linux that can display the Folio Views format?
[04:06] <ubuntu-tester> MBR in a Word file? o_O
[04:06] <savagecroc> dcherniv: for example lets say you are user 1234.. we are currently storing your info on server-25(ver 55) server-26 (ver 55) and server-28(ver 56)
[04:06] <savagecroc> we let you connect to any of those machines
[04:06] <dcherniv> savagecroc, ok
[04:06] <savagecroc> if the data is 3 mins out of date.. the app will have to cope
[04:06] <savagecroc> 99.9% of the time.. you should always connect to the same machine though
[04:07] <sk1special> ubuntu-tester, no i have half the instructions on how to do it saved in a word file ( how to do it without having to get rid if the mbr ) but i dont have the other half and cant find the original link online i got them from
[04:07] <Guest34539> OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH I WILL TRIES DOES PROGRAM AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL
[04:07] <dcherniv> savagecroc, there's no way to ensure that, users wont do that 99.9% of time
[04:07] <bazhang> no caps Guest34539
[04:07] <Guest34539> sorry
[04:07] <savagecroc> dcherniv: load balancer should help.. lets say you are 1234 and you are in china.. we can go.. right you are allocated to our mainland china server
[04:07] <ubuntu-tester> savagecroc, dcherniv: it's a bit offtopic here
[04:07] <SunMoonStar1> Have to ask here because the Lubuntu chan is looking dead. I'm on Lubuntu and the lxpanel system tray icons are not right adjusting anymore. Using spacer applet and checking 'stretch' just totally hides any applet after it (they dissapear).
[04:07] <rcmaehl> I need confirmation that 2908 petabytes per second is not possible with current technology and my apt-get just went glitchy http://imgur.com/MyNdk
[04:07] <savagecroc> dcherniv: they don't see this.. it should all look like a single address to them
[04:08] <dcherniv> savagecroc, what will happen is a user will make his changes on server-25, 26 and 28 at the same time and then when software will attempt to cope they will complain that their changes are gone
[04:08] <rcmaehl> Petabytes per second isn't possible right? RIGHT!?
[04:08] <dr_willis> rcmaehl:  ask in #hardware
[04:08] <bazhang> savagecroc, dcherniv please take this to the appropriate channel, like ##networking or the like
[04:08] <dcherniv> savagecroc, not possible if one of the servers runs different version software
[04:08] <rcmaehl> I mean from a ubuntu repo
[04:08] <dcherniv> my bad
[04:08] <rcmaehl> dr_willis: I mean from a ubuntu repo
[04:08] <dcherniv> out to work
[04:09] <rcmaehl> dr_willis: apt-get reported 2908 PB/s
[04:09] <sk1special> http://pastebin.com/7af3s8uc
[04:09] <ubuntu-tester> rcmaehl: confirmed
[04:09] <dr_willis> rcmaehl:  sounds like a network glitch
[04:09] <rcmaehl> okay good
[04:09] <dr_willis> or your screen is dirty
[04:09] <sk1special> a couple of the steps..minus some graphics. but i cant find any guide similar again.
[04:09] <rcmaehl> dr_willis: http://imgur.com/MyNdk
[04:09] <dr_willis> and you miss read B/s
[04:09] <savagecroc> bazhang: nah networking is all about how am i setting up my border routers, and what protocol should i use for this.. there really isin't a cluster help channel
[04:09] <dr_willis> rcmaehl:  does it really matter...
[04:10] <rcmaehl> Well I'm surprised apt-get can measure in PB/s
[04:10] <bazhang> savagecroc, well here is not really topical for that
[04:10] <rcmaehl> I mean why >.>
[04:10] <nbs> Anyone willing to help someone with installation problems alongside Win8? :(
[04:10] <savagecroc> bazhang: i'm building the whole lot with ubuntu :)
[04:10] <SunMoonStar1> I've been trying to figure out this xpanel issue for 3 hours I should probably stop caring that the icons are not right adjusting
[04:10] <bazhang> nbs ask the channel
[04:11] <dr_willis> SunMoonStar1:  or totally reset the panel and see if that helps
[04:11] <bazhang> SunMoonStar1, why not reset them
[04:12] <SunMoonStar1> reset? not sure what you mean. I did try to reinstall xpanel and to kill it and reload it and those didn't help
[04:12] <nbs> Well I followed a guide on a forum thread about installing it.  And I actually used Xubuntu, but that shouldn't really make a difference in installation, would it? :S
[04:12] <SunMoonStar1> I also tried restart
[04:12] <SunMoonStar1> and I tried to replace the config file with the default config file
[04:12] <nbs> Anyways it seemed to install just fine, but only Windows 8 boots.  There's no option for Ubuntu
[04:12] <nbs> no grub appears or anything
[04:12] <dr_willis> SunMoonStar1:  tip #1 - removeing packages via apt/package manager tools do NOT touch setting files in the users home directory
[04:13] <dr_willis> SunMoonStar1:  you can find whatever config files are being in your home, and delete/rename them to reset lxde back to defaults
[04:13] <c2tarun> nbs, how did you install?
[04:13] <nbs> DVD
[04:13] <nbs> I disabled secure boot
[04:13] <c2tarun> nbs, no, you said you followed some guide, which one.
[04:13] <SunMoonStar1> dr_willis: I'll try to rename stuff
[04:13] <nbs> http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-uefi-supported-windows-8-system
[04:13] <nbs> The first reply
[04:13] <ogist> someone here told me to get xubuntu and it's slow still
[04:14] <SunMoonStar1> ogist: if it's slow try lubuntu it's for older comps
[04:14] <ogist> lubuntu software center doesnt even haven stars
[04:14] <ubuntu-tester> rcmaehl: it's because file size was too small and downloaded very fast so apt didn't have enough time to correctly estimate speed
[04:14] <dr_willis> ogist:  lubuntu would be the lightest desktop with the feature set most people need
[04:14] <ogist> how do i make xubuntu faster
[04:15] <dr_willis> ogist:  i doubt if theres much you can do to it
[04:15] <ogist> i dont think the creators of linux and ubuntu understand much about what a shortcut on a desktop is
[04:15] <nbs> Also what's strange is that it didn't ask me anything about partitioning during installation.  I previously created space for it, and I guess it just assumed that was for it?
[04:15] <ogist> what was so hard for them to make a shortcut to a program easy
[04:16] <dr_willis> ogist:  or you are thinking in terms of windows .lnk files instead of linux filesystem links. and .desktop launchers
[04:16] <ogist> yeah
[04:16] <ogist> it's not as easy
[04:16] <ogist> i should be able to create a shortcut
[04:16] <dr_willis> with lxde i thought you just drag.dropped from the menu to the desktop
[04:16] <dr_willis> the ides of items on the desktop is slowly getting phased out
[04:17] <ogist> im using ubuntu on a 3.4 ghz computer that has quad-cores
[04:17] <ogist> i have 8 gigabytes of ram
[04:17] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: right-click and select Make Link is not easy?
[04:17] <ogist> oh
[04:17] <bazhang> !enter | ogist
[04:17] <ogist> yeah ubuntu-tester
[04:17] <dr_willis> ogist:  if xubuntu is slow on that.. you need to check your video card drivers
[04:17] <ogist> but it didnt work
[04:17] <ogist> i double clicked this new shortcut and it just opened and closed
[04:18] <bazhang> ogist, please...with the enter key
[04:18] <ogist> dr_willis: yeah and mess up my computer
[04:18] <dr_willis> ogist:  whatever then,. good luck
[04:18] <ogist> video drivers for what
[04:18] <ogist> a non vide-driver related problem
[04:19] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: *that* is the problem, sate it and don't troll here :)
[04:19] <dr_willis> your video card. If you have a quad core  3+ghz system.. it shold be able to handle any desktop out there.  unless theres issues with the video card
[04:19] <ogist> im not having problems on my quad-core
[04:19] <dr_willis> if xubuntu is slow.. you seem to be
[04:19] <ogist> i have a dell inspiron
[04:19] <ogist> i have more than one computer
[04:19] <bazhang> ogist, you are having problems with over use of the enter key.
[04:20] <ogist> bazhang: it's ok
[04:20] <bazhang> ogist, stop it
[04:20] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: by the way .lnk files on Win can break as well and can even make secyrity holes
[04:21] <ogist> ubuntu-tester: i have one file i want to open from my desktop
[04:22] <machicola> how do I, via command line, put a script after a particular process at bootup
[04:22] <SunMoonStar1> so I removed ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/config and ~/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels/panel and restarted and the problem remains
[04:22] <clfs> .bashrc
[04:23] <machicola> clfs, in response to me?
[04:23] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: ok have you made it as i said?
[04:23] <clfs> yes.:)
[04:23] <clfs> : )
[04:23] <dr_willis> machicola:  what 'process'   the upsttart system is designed to run in parallel as much as possible.  it uses  a trigger system that can trigger a second event/service after a speficic one loads
[04:23] <ogist> ubuntu-tester: yeah and it just opens and closes within about 500 ms
[04:23] <c2tarun> ogist, :P why do you want to make Xubuntu even faster? Isn't it fast enough?
[04:24] <ogist> c2tarun: are you serious or are you a troll?
[04:24] <ubuntu-tester> open it's properties, what's in 'Location:'?
[04:24] <c2tarun> ogist, I am too small for a troll :) lets stick with I am serious
[04:24] <IdleOne> Pay attention people, ogist is having a problem with a shortcut, he said nothing about making xfce faster.
[04:24] <machicola> the process would be after gnome desktop and another program , xbindkeys, have already started... so not once the desktop GUI has appeared but a bit later
[04:24] <ubuntu-tester> open what's in 'Link target:'?
[04:24] <ogist> keep in mind i have two computers
[04:25] <machicola> clfs, that doesn't seem to give any control though as to precisely when the script will run does it?
[04:25] <SunMoonStar1> dr_willis: dono if you saw that ^. I removed the config and panel files and restarted but it didn't help
[04:25] <c2tarun> IdleOne, actually he said, but never mind
[04:25] <ogist> well
[04:25] <dr_willis> machicola:  use the .config/autostart direcory. make a script.. have it sleep for about 30 seconds so gnome gets loaded then runs your commands
[04:25] <machicola> doesn't the .bashrc just execute at a specific time?
[04:25] <ogist> neither problem was addressed
[04:25] <ogist> so it doesnt really matter
[04:25] <dr_willis> machicola:  .bashrc would not be where to do this at
[04:26] <machicola> haha, dr_willis it's funny you mentioned that... because I did exactly that but with .xsession
[04:26] <machicola> which i believe, for practical purposes, would be akin to .config/autostart
[04:26] <machicola> but it's not working out for some reason
[04:26] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: neitrer problem was clearly stated, in the first place
[04:26] <dr_willis> using .xsession would take total control of your X session.. you need to be sure to load everything you need
[04:26] <dr_willis> machicola:  the autostart directory is used by several differnt desktops so is more universial
[04:26] <ogist> ubuntu-tester, you lack reading comprehension
[04:26] <machicola> ooops, sorry dr_willis, .xsessionrc
[04:27] <praxis> hello
[04:27] <dr_willis> machicola:  cant say ive ever seen a  .xsessionrc
[04:27] <machicola> first i tried xsession, realized what you just said, then did .xsessionrc
[04:27] <bazhang> ogist, thats enough.
[04:27] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: forget, what's in link properties
[04:27] <machicola> it does work through .xsessionrc, ok... maybe i'll try .config/autostart, thanks
[04:27] <ogist> the file is in link properties
[04:27] <bazhang> !attitude | ogist
[04:28] <praxis> anyone know where i can get the torchwood interface
[04:28] <ogist> alright then
[04:28] <ogist> no need to get mad
[04:28] <dr_willis> praxis:  you mean 'theme' or what exactly?
[04:28] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: check link target points to your file exactly
[04:28] <praxis> yes theme
[04:28] <ogist> it does ubuntu-tester
[04:29] <ogist> it just opens and closes
[04:29] <dr_willis> praxis:  theres numerous gnome theme sites out there to search through
[04:29] <bazhang> praxis, at one of the ubuntu theme sites, like gnome-look
[04:29] <ubuntu-tester> ogist: what type of file
[04:30] <praxis> i can look there thank you
[04:30] <BullShark> where do i find instructions for installing steam on ubuntu?
[04:31] <ubuntu-tester> BullShark: on Steam website
[04:31] <clfs> en..
[04:31] <clfs> maybe you can try apt-cache search steam
[04:31] <clfs> bullshark.
[04:32] <bazhang> !steam
[04:32] <bazhang> BullShark, ^
[04:32] <IdleOne> BullShark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[04:36] <SunMoonStar1> what's the word for it how in ubuntu unity and mac os the applications share a menu bar?
[04:37] <Ben64> in ubuntu i think its the "global menu"
[04:37] <SunMoonStar1> Ben64: do you know if it's possible to have that with lxde
[04:38] <Ben64> i don't know
[04:38] <SunMoonStar1> okay
[04:38] <IdleOne> SunMoonStar1: might try asking in #lubuntu
[04:40] <hectron> Hey all. I have a question. I have installed Eclipse in my desktop. I followed instructions in a tutorial. However, I see my Eclipse in my applications but I can only run it if I open a terminal and type in "eclipse"
[04:40] <hectron> Any thoughts on this?
[04:41] <bazhang> what tutorial hectron
[04:42] <hectron> I'm trying to find that tutorial. One sec, bazhang.
[04:42] <machicola> dr_willis, the same thing that happened to me earlier happened again... creating a symbolic link in ~/.config/autostart isn't starting the script up for some reason
[04:42] <hectron> I think it's something like this: https://javarunner.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/integrate-eclipse-juno-in-linux-ubuntu-12-10-with-command-line/
[04:42] <bazhang> hectron, did you install eclipse from outside the package management system?
[04:42] <machicola> because I did actually try it with ~/.config/autostart
[04:43] <fego> hectron: if you have downloaded the eclipse from the website, the zip contains a execuble called "eclipse"
[04:43] <machicola> am trying to read up to figure out what this could be
[04:43] <fego> you can double clik it open
[04:44] <clfs> I always double click eclipse to open it.
[04:46] <dr_willis> machicola:    its got a #!/bin/bash at the start? it is ececutable? try copying the script itsekf to the directory not a link
[04:48] <sk1special> is the guy still here who was trying to install on win 8>
[04:48] <sk1special> ?*
[04:48] <machicola> yeah #!/usr/bin/env bash , and I've tried with the executable
[04:48] <hectron> bazhang: I installed Eclipse from the .tar.gz. What was confusing I think was the desktop entry for Unity. I was not too familiar with it. I noticed something wrong with it, so I will restart my PC.
[04:49] <dr_willis> you got & at the end of the proper commands so it dosent hang the script? ;)
[04:49] <dr_willis> that about covers the common problems
[04:49] <machicola> the script is just this.... gnome-terminal &;firefox &;xchat &
[04:49] <cmj141> hactron : i just finished installing eclipse juno with ADT SDK
[04:50] <machicola> the script has been working in all the other config files... this one is unique in that sense
[04:50] <machicola> this one meaning, .config/autostart
[04:50] <machicola> method
[04:50] <dr_willis> machicola:  you could copy the .desktop files for those 3 apps into that autostart directory also
[04:50] <cmj141> hectron : you are trying to get a shortcut on your launcher is that it?
[04:50] <hectron> Yes.
[04:50] <machicola> where would the .desktop files be located?
[04:50] <cmj141> ive been searching for days on how to do it
[04:50] <dr_willis> use the locate command to find them
[04:51] <machicola> i'm not familiar with .desktop
[04:51] <cmj141> still nothing
[04:51] <dr_willis> locate xchat.desktop
[04:51] <machicola> so just firefox.desktop? etc. ok
[04:51] <dr_willis> should show where
[04:51] <cmj141> the only way to do it, is through a package manager
[04:51] <machicola> ok, thanks
[04:51] <hectron> I'm using Cinnamon.
[04:51] <hectron> And would like to have Eclipse launchable from the start-menu.
[04:51] <cmj141> if you want a clickable link then use synaptic or ubuntus package manager and download eclipse
[04:52] <cmj141> so remove your eclipse. and then reinstall it with your package manager
[04:52] <dr_willis> or make a custome .desktop file for your eclipse
[04:52] <bazhang> hectron, so go to cinnamon/mint support for taht
[04:52] <hectron> I see.
[04:53] <hectron> dr_willis: You're right. I had to customized the *.desktop file for Eclipse.
[04:53] <hectron> I had improper syntax.
[04:53] <hectron> I had mispelled Application (spelled it as Applicatoni)
[04:53] <hectron> dr_willis++
[04:59] <apm1> "apt-get purge removes all the scripts or adjustments auto-generated by the packages when they were being installed ?
[05:00] <apm1> i tried installing fprint for my thinkpad's fingerprint reader
[05:00] <apm1> but there was no fprintd package  so i just installed fprintpam and a fprint lib. package
[05:01] <apm1> but seeeing that they are useless without fprintd
[05:01] <dr_willis> where did those pacakges come from?
[05:01] <apm1> the ubuntu repo
[05:01] <dr_willis> !find fprintd
[05:01] <dr_willis> !info fprintd
[05:02] <clfs> apt-cache search  fprint?
[05:02] <apm1> i tried that
[05:02] <apm1> no fprintd shows up on my searches
[05:03] <dr_willis> package name seems to be fprintd
[05:03] <apm1> let me run another search them
[05:05] <apm1> wth , "apt-cache search fprintd" is only outputting a blank line on the tty ?
[05:07] <dr_willis> what release are you using?
[05:07] <apm1> 12.04.1
[05:07] <dr_willis> the bot was searcing 12.10
[05:08] <clfs> I find  'fprint-demo'  'libfprint-dev'  'libfprint0' 'libpam-fprint'  'xfprint4'
[05:08] <clfs> when i run 'apt-cache search fprint'
[05:08] <dr_willis> its in the universe repo on 12.10
[05:08] <clfs> my ubuntu is 10.04...
[05:09] <apm1> so they decided to drop it only for 12.04 ?
[05:09] <dr_willis> no  idea
[05:09] <dr_willis> or you dont have all the repos enabled
[05:09] <dr_willis> !info fprintd 12.04
[05:09] <dr_willis> !info fprintd  precise
[05:10] <apm1> oh crap
[05:10] <dr_willis> !info fprintd  oneiric
[05:10] <dr_willis> hmm
[05:10] <dr_willis> im on quantal
[05:10] <dr_willis> !info fprintd  raring
[05:11] <dr_willis> seems to be in quantal and raring
[05:11] <apm1> quantal is 12.10 ?
[05:11] <dr_willis> yep
[05:11] <dr_willis> i hate the cutesy names
[05:11] <apm1> i can not afford to run anything but a LTS
[05:12] <dr_willis> lts or non lts matters very little to me
[05:13] <dr_willis> for a home/perspnal use - i cant imagine why it matters much
[05:13] <apm1> well it matters when you hate having to reinstall or tweak for bugs
[05:14] <topper4125> my only reason for running LTS only is it cuts down on the amount of time I have to babysit the OS...
[05:14] <dr_willis> i reinstall every 6 mo anyway to keep up with the latest so i can do better support in here
[05:14] <dr_willis> im not sure why lts really matters in that respect topper4125
[05:15] <dr_willis> i dont run any services however. :) and only got 4 users.
[05:15] <dr_willis> small time home lan/user
[05:16] <BWMerlin> Nvidia has updated their official driver release, how long does it take for that then to appear in the ubuntu repositories?
[05:17] <genius> hello world
[05:17] <topper4125> dr_willis, only matters for my own laziness :) I used to run Arch for quite a while after I started getting serious with Linux... wanted to know more about how it all worked... but after spending too much time on bleeding edge, I'm looking for a more "set it and forget it" OS
[05:17] <machicola> dr_willis, the sleep thing doesn't work because it just pauses the whole init process altogether
[05:18] <machicola> but i'll probably just go with this
[05:18] <machicola> let it all start up at the same time, after spending a day on it lol
[05:18] <machicola> i'm sure there are apps and extras and stuff but just thought I'd like to do it within what is included
[05:19] <epitamizor> is there version of ubuntu with enlightenment?
[05:19] <machicola> because it seemed relatively simple anyways
[05:19] <dr_willis> epitamizor: e has ppa repos epitamizor. I belive
[05:20] <topper4125> !info e17
[05:20] <machicola> thanks for help
[05:20] <topper4125> install e17, log out, switch to enlightenment desktop, then enjoy some cake
[05:20] <dr_willis> isent e 18 out. :-D
[05:20] <topper4125> !e18
[05:21] <dr_willis> the cake is a lie
[05:21] <topper4125> I know e17 just got out of beta... beyond that.. not sure
[05:21] <topper4125> !info e18
[05:24] <dr_willis> every time i try  e. i find it lacking..
[05:24] <topper4125> me too... which is odd because I'm an avid XFCE user
[05:25] <gnomefreak> is there a way to diable the "paste" command in bash?
[05:25] <gnomefreak> s/diable/disable
[05:26] <epitamizor> upgrading from openbox to E, maybe xfce later
[05:26] <dniMretsaM> gnomefreak: what exactly would you want to do that for?
[05:26] <gnomefreak> epitamizor: E17?
[05:26] <dr_willis> never noticed a paste command
[05:27] <gnomefreak> dniMretsaM: im writing also of alias' and this one is in my way
[05:27] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: i didnt until like 2 days ago
[05:27] <dr_willis> aliass have higher priority
[05:27] <dr_willis> alias paste=echo foo
[05:28] <dr_willis> paste        should say foo
[05:28] <dr_willis> if i recall that chapter right
[05:28] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: gnomefreak@Development:~$ alias paste=echo foo
[05:28] <gnomefreak> bash: alias: foo: not found
[05:29] <dniMretsaM> echo foo should be in parentheses
[05:29] <dniMretsaM> er, quotation marks
[05:29] <dniMretsaM> geez I'm tired
[05:30] <gnomefreak> dniMretsaM: does nothing here no echo
[05:30] <dr_willis> im on my phone no idea where quotes are
[05:31] <dr_willis> the default ls alias is similer
[05:31] <dniMretsaM> gnomefreak: you mean that the echo command isn't found?
[05:32] <clfs> alias testecho="echo foo"
[05:32] <gnomefreak> dniMretsaM: no here is the output
[05:32] <clfs> this can work
[05:32] <topper4125> brb... this ICR app is less than appealing...
[05:32] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ alias "paste=echo foo"
[05:32] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$
[05:32] <clfs> no gnomefreak
[05:32] <dniMretsaM> I just tested running this: alias paste="echo foo"
[05:32] <dniMretsaM> it worked just fine
[05:33] <topper4125> ahh mildly better
[05:33] <rushy> can someone tell me that why after i just installed 12.10 server that after the bios the screen just turns black and nothing happens
[05:33] <gnomefreak> oh at echo my fault
[05:34] <gnomefreak> still doesnt output anything
[05:34] <topper4125> rushy, what are you expecting it to do?
[05:34] <rushy> to show me a command line or something
[05:34] <rushy> i've never dealt with the server side
[05:35] <dr_willis> try the nomodeset option perhaps
[05:35] <gnomefreak> sounds like a reinstall, but it is 12:35 so im not thinking at full brain
[05:35] <dr_willis> could be the servers framebuffer or somthing is goofing you up
[05:35] <topper4125> oh... okay... so.. NOTHING at all. had someone here the other day and they were wondering where the GUI was on server...
[05:35] <gnomefreak> 12:35am
[05:36] <dr_willis> when in doubt.. try nomodeset first. ;)
[05:36] <rushy> topper4125, nope just black screen
[05:36] <dr_willis> and then the rescue/recovery mode..  and be sure to install ssh to make it easier to twiddle with
[05:36] <gnomefreak> there is no gui on server instal
[05:36] <topper4125> I would go with Grub glitch, or hardware fail.
[05:36] <rushy> could it be raid problem?
[05:37] <dr_willis> I dont know anything about raids.. so no idea on thst
[05:37] <dniMretsaM> rushy: well if the filesystem is messed up then it could be.
[05:37] <topper4125> gnomefreak, yup... we (me and 3 other people) spent about 10 mins trying to explain that to the person who was asking lol...
[05:37] <dniMretsaM> I'd start with dr_willis' suggestion, though
[05:37] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:37] <gnomefreak> im with dniMretsaM on that one
[05:37] <dr_willis> if you can see the grub menu at boot time. test out nomodeset, and the text option.
[05:37] <dniMretsaM> topper4125: that sounds fantastic...
[05:37] <rushy> i'm doing RAID5 but my install before got messed up at the bootloader install part, re-burned a new disk and "fixed" the install of it but thats it
[05:38] <dr_willis> change 'quiet splash' to be like 'noquiet nosplash nomodeset nofb verbose text'      i cant think of any others to toss in....
[05:38] <rushy> dr_willis: i don't see grub menu anywhere
[05:38] <dniMretsaM> hold Shift while booting if GRUB doesn't come up
[05:38] <topper4125> did you md5 the iso?
[05:38] <dr_willis> rushy:  press and hold shift perhaps it may show up . as it boots..
[05:38] <dr_willis> OR grub is totally borked.. and thats the reason why
[05:39] <dr_willis> i never use a server install so not sure how it sets up grub
[05:39] <rushy> ok shift made grub show up
[05:39] <dniMretsaM> dr_willis: the server installer is just di (which Ubiquity sits on top of), so it doesn't really do anything different than the desktop
[05:40] <rushy> 2 options now ubuntu and advanced options for ubuntu
[05:40] <topper4125> tbh, I don't either, this machine is a 12.04 Mini install w/ xfce
[05:40] <dr_willis> dniMretsaM:  but does it hide the gryb menu by default..
[05:40] <dr_willis> rushy:  so grub works. ;)
[05:41] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: they tried that but removed it so you can see it
[05:41] <dniMretsaM> misunderstood the question, but yes. if you had a server running with the GRUB screen coming up, the machine wouldn't boot
[05:41] <dniMretsaM> so it hides it by default
[05:41] <rushy> dr_willis: yes it does when i hold shift down, just wondering if i have a problem with it doing it all the time
[05:41] <dniMretsaM> rushy: boot the recovery option. it boots with NOMODESET
[05:41] <dr_willis> rushy:   so hit 'e' to edit the ubuntu line and try the nomodeset option.   if it works.. id set grub to not auto hide
[05:42] <dr_willis> recovery is handy also. ;)
[05:42] <gnomefreak> i dont recall how to do it but you can disable hiding grub so you can see it
[05:42] <dr_willis> its in /etc/default/grubb
[05:42] <dr_willis> its in /etc/default/grub
[05:42] <dr_willis> i find the whole auto-hideing  sort of a silly bending over backwards for the 'idiot-proofing' masses
[05:42]  * gnomefreak smoke and think :(
[05:43] <dniMretsaM> change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT. that'll make the machine boot slower, though. annoying, imo
[05:43] <dr_willis> when a server has 10 month uptime.. a addational 3 sec to boot is trivial
[05:43] <rushy> hold up trying it right now if i can get back to it
[05:43] <dniMretsaM> dr_willis: true. I guess it depends on how long you set it to wait
[05:44] <dr_willis> my android phone takes longer to boot then my Ubuntu Desktop box. ;)
[05:44] <topper4125> !grub | one of these will talk about autohide, and delays
[05:44] <dr_willis> but i do have a SSD on the ubuntu box
[05:44]  * dniMretsaM is jealous of dr_willis
[05:44] <Theodore> hello
[05:45] <Theodore> i have a simple question
[05:45] <dniMretsaM> btw, dr_willis. do you hang out on #raspberrypi?
[05:45] <dniMretsaM> hi Theodore
[05:45] <Theodore> what is the best theme manager for the latest kde?
[05:45] <dr_willis> dniMretsaM:  im on my Pi right now. ;)
[05:45] <Theodore> hi dniMretsaM
[05:45] <dr_willis> dniMretsaM:  it boots faster then my Cellphone also.
[05:45] <topper4125> !best
[05:45] <dr_willis> is there even more then one theme manager for KDE?
[05:45] <dniMretsaM> Theodore: the stuff in System Settings is your best bet
[05:46] <Theodore> well I'm installing
[05:46] <Theodore> awn
[05:46] <Theodore> right now
[05:46] <dr_willis> awn is not a theme manager
[05:46] <dr_willis> it has its own themes.. however
[05:46] <Theodore> ok
[05:46] <Theodore> how come when i use system settings
[05:46] <Theodore> it does not show the styles downloaded
[05:47] <dniMretsaM> Theodore: have you installed them?
[05:47] <Theodore> yes
[05:47] <dr_willis> i dont use kde. so really cant help
[05:47] <dniMretsaM> dr_willis: I thought that I had seen you on there
[05:47] <dr_willis> dniMretsaM:  yep. I  hang there and here. ;)
[05:48] <dniMretsaM> Theodore: 1) are you looking in the right section (the theming is kind of split up) and 2) how did you install them?
[05:49] <Theodore> wow
[05:49] <dniMretsaM> dr_willis: I have like 13 channels running on my IRC backend. lol. all GNU/Linux or Wii related
[05:49] <Theodore> after i installed a couple theme managers
[05:49] <Theodore> desktop themes in system settings showed the theme now
[05:49] <Theodore> lol
[05:50] <topper4125> I'm only on 6 channels... feel like in irc noob now :(
[05:51] <dr_willis> topper4125:  im just in 2. :) from my android phone using znc to get into my RaspberryPi
[05:51] <dniMretsaM> topper4125: half of them haven't had a message all day (like a LoCo one)
[05:51] <dniMretsaM> but they occasionally have important stuff, so I just leave them open
[05:52] <topper4125> ahh... kinda like #ubuntu-bots lol
[05:56] <riqdiiz> No just curious ;-)
[05:56] <share> can you tell me what's the latest nvidia driver on ubuntu repository?
[05:56] <glassrose> how can ]. stop any user from remotely controlling my desktop,*?
[05:56] <share> is it 304 or 310
[05:57] <dniMretsaM> glassrose: disconnect from the Internet
[05:57] <glassrose> but ]. need to use net too
[05:57] <glassrose> ...
[05:57] <share> can you answer
[05:57] <share> i remember when this channel was useful
[05:57] <dniMretsaM> glassrose: I was joking....
[05:58] <dniMretsaM> glassrose: what software are they using to control the machine?
[05:58] <glassrose> hrmm,* ].........'ll take that seriously
[05:58] <topper4125> !info nvidia-current
[05:59] <glassrose> i guess rlogin/ssh
[05:59] <Name141> Does anyone know what I lose by running the 'open source' driver for the 4670 in 12.10 vs the 'closed , real AMD/ATi one' in the LTS? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12450490#post12450490
[05:59] <Name141> I would assume a little bit of speed or something?
[05:59] <share> yeah
[06:00] <dniMretsaM> glassrose: you can turn off the rlogin or ssh server
[06:00] <share> 310 nvidia driver is buggy avoid it!
[06:00] <Name141> Is there going to be anything that I'd need the real AMD/ATi driver vs the 'open source' one ?
[06:01] <topper4125> current in the repository is version 304... probably for a reason
[06:01] <Chanshark> hey at least you can use wireless on linux i cant >.>
[06:01] <glassrose> ok*< .} have sshd running
[06:01] <dniMretsaM> Name141: mainly just how many FPS they get.
[06:01] <share> topper4125: yeah thats why i asked.. to confirm cause im not using ubuntu now
[06:01] <share> derp
[06:01] <share> :D
[06:01] <gnomefreak> weird thing about nvidia/ati drivers. one dev cycle nvidia will be messed up and ati fine, next dev cycle ati will be broken and so on
[06:02] <Name141> dniMretsaM: So, nothing to do with normal videos, bluray playback, etc ? just for games I'd need the real one?
[06:02] <dniMretsaM> try it out. if the videos are choppy or whatever, get the proprietary one
[06:02] <Name141> dniMretsaM: I was thinking about turning that machine in to a MythTV OTA player some day.
[06:02] <vhadil> how to fix
[06:02] <Name141> slash/DVR
[06:03] <dniMretsaM> no experience with that, so I don't know. I use all Intel cards anyway
[06:03] <gnomefreak> hm i thought Skype is free :(
[06:03] <Name141> ..intel makes video cards?
[06:03] <topper4125> after micro$oft bought it... it'll never be free again...
[06:03] <gnomefreak> Name141: yes they do
[06:03] <topper4125> or private
[06:03] <vhadil> how to fix this http://dpaste.com/873699/
[06:03] <Name141> gnomefreak: I thought it was just intergrated
[06:04] <Sapirus__> not exactly cards but chips ;)
[06:04] <Sapirus__> und they suck
[06:04] <Name141> anyway, I'll check out the latest to see if it meets my needs and head on from there I guess
[06:04] <Name141> (if to go back to LTS, or not)
[06:05] <topper4125> depending on what you are doing with the system, intel video can be more than enough... just depends on use
[06:05] <dniMretsaM> vhadil: you need to install a supported version of Ubuntu. 10.10 is EOL and it's repositories have been taken offline
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Name141: im on the web site and they want $2.99 a nomth
[06:05] <singharkirat> Hey.. I am using ubuntu 11.10 on lenovo think station s20... But some of my systems just hang after boot screen.. Any help..?
[06:05] <Name141> gnomefreak: what website
[06:05] <vhadil> dniMretsaM, i dont know, can u tell my
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Name141: http://beta.skype.com/en/rates/
[06:06] <Name141> ..uhm.. ok....
[06:06] <dniMretsaM> vhadil: umm, don't know what?
[06:06] <singharkirat> Ubuntu 11.10 help please...
[06:06] <gnomefreak> singharkirat: why not upgrade to 12.10
[06:06] <vhadil>  you need to install a supported version of Ubuntu. 10.10 is EOL
[06:07] <dniMretsaM> singharkirat: can you boot into recovery mode?
[06:07] <singharkirat> Yess
[06:07] <topper4125> M$ bought skype for 8.5 Billion, you didn't think they were just going to throw all that away did ya?
[06:07] <dniMretsaM> singharkirat: ok. when the black screen shows up, can you get to a TTY?
[06:07] <singharkirat> If i select normal boot from recovery mode..
[06:07] <Name141> I wonder if Skype is going to allow for Yahoo, as MSN did ?
[06:08] <singharkirat> System starts with a bad resolution..
[06:08] <phong_> hi guys, how to check  what is my sftp port listen to?
[06:08] <gnomefreak> rosseaux: i hoped they would
[06:08] <dniMretsaM> singharkirat: that's normal.
[06:08] <phong_> at 1 one i changed it...now i forgot
[06:08] <singharkirat> Y?
[06:08] <dniMretsaM> vhadil: yeah, that's what I said.
[06:08] <phong_> anyone?
[06:08] <vhadil> damn
[06:08] <singharkirat> I have approx 40 systems with exactly same configuration..
[06:08] <dniMretsaM> singharkirat: I believe that it retains the NOMODESET option when booting that way.
[06:08] <vhadil> change repo
[06:09] <phong_> how to check my current sftp port ?
[06:09] <phong_> or ssh port that it is listen to
[06:09] <topper4125> !spft | phong_
[06:09] <dniMretsaM> phong_: you can nmap yourself
[06:09] <topper4125> !sfpt | phong_
[06:09] <singharkirat> But problem is with few systems only.. Rest boot fine..
[06:10] <topper4125> !sftp | phong_
[06:10] <topper4125> dang... too tired to get 4 letters in the right order...
[06:10] <phong_> i'm not good at reading it man
[06:10] <phong_> can't you just tell me what to do?
[06:10] <topper4125> No point in typing it if no one wants to read it
[06:11] <dniMretsaM> singharkirat: are they all the same machine with the same graphics configurations?
[06:11] <singharkirat> Nomodeset??
[06:11] <topper4125> and I don't have voip...
[06:11]  * gnomefreak tries to read everything
[06:11] <phong_> come on
[06:11] <singharkirat> Yess..
[06:11] <singharkirat> Same lenovo thinkstation s20
[06:12] <dniMretsaM> well obviously something is different, because they're not working
[06:13] <dniMretsaM> singharkirat: did you ever answer my question about TTYs?
[06:13] <singharkirat> They are exactly same.. :(
[06:13] <dniMretsaM> um, bye?
[06:16] <backbox> how can I get .bashrc to execute a binary?
[06:17] <daniel6644> after 6 hours off fedora related nvidia and bumblee bee problems I moved to ubuntu. Took 8 minutes to get the proprietery drivers working with bumblee bee. Well odne ubuntu.
[06:17] <nearst> .bashrc is configuration file for bash
[06:17] <dr_willis> its a script file also
[06:18] <nearst> try chmod +x <file to execute> and ./<file to execute> or bash <file to execute>
[06:18] <dr_willis> at the end put      commandtirun &
[06:18] <nearst> ty dr_willis
[06:18] <dr_willis> .bashrc  is ran when each new shell starts up
[06:18] <backbox> I did try ./intro
[06:18] <dr_willis> so it may not be what you want
[06:18] <tg3> Anyone care to help a complete idiot?
[06:19] <backbox> that's my program
[06:19] <dr_willis> blackbox ans for some reason you need it to run every time you open a new shell?
[06:19] <tg3> I'
[06:20] <backbox> I want it to, just to look cool I guess
[06:20] <dr_willis> backbox:  whats that program do exactly?
[06:20] <backbox> It prints the out put of an ever changing file
[06:20] <replica> can any1 help out with chaning the ubuntu panel color ?
[06:20] <replica> me*
[06:21] <dr_willis> backbox:  well  in .bashrc at the end you  can put    /path/to/your/command &
[06:21] <dr_willis> you may not need the &
[06:21] <tg3> I'm having an issue with booting into Windows 8. I started out in Windows 8 and then created a Ubuntu USB stick and installed Ubuntu 12.10. Everything was going great until I went into Windows 8 and deleted the partition that Ubuntu was on. After that I couldn't load Windows 8 anymore. I get an error message in Windows Recovery about winlogon.exe being corrupt or missing. It's not missing. It won't let me do anything else in Windows Reco
[06:21] <nearst> include #! /bin/bash in your <intro> file ?
[06:21] <miroesq> my ubuntu 10.04 install did an auto update to a new kernel and now a CRITICAL program no longer runs. how can i revert back to the old kernel?
[06:22] <kepler> tg3, you'll probably have to do a startup repair off your win8 dvd. boot to that and instead of installing, repair system
[06:22] <nearst> miroesq, try boot last kernel option in grub
[06:23] <miroesq> nearst, can you direct me to a how-to?
[06:23] <replica> how to change the panel color for ubuntu 12.10 ????
[06:23] <tg3> kepler, that's my big issue now. I don't have a win8 disc or USB. I built this computer, got the win8 RP, then upgraded with the win8 assistant to the full version.
[06:23] <replica> help me out i am a total noob
[06:23] <replica> :|
[06:23] <dr_willis> replica:  why is it critical you do somthing  like that?
[06:23] <backbox> well intro is a c++ comand line app to prind the file everchange, everchange is intern generated from a web feed for quotes
[06:23] <replica> i want it complt black
[06:24] <replica> purple sux :|
[06:24] <kepler> tg3, search for a win8 pe iso? you'll need to run that startup repair off something. no other option really
[06:24] <dr_willis> replica:  i though it changed in according ot the wallpaper you set.
[06:24] <replica> yes it changed into purple
[06:24] <replica> i want it black
[06:24] <MoL0ToV> hi to all
[06:24] <KongKung> :{}
[06:25] <singharkirat> Hi
[06:25] <KongKung> hi guy
[06:25] <tg3> I downloaded a win8.iso and burned it to a USB stick, but it doesn't load anything upon boot. I triple checked that it was the first in line of boot order.
[06:25] <replica> any tools for changing  the panel color
[06:25] <replica> ?
[06:25] <topper4125> what's the major color of your wallpaper replica?
[06:25] <backbox> My issue is not critical either, so if this is a triage system than I shall wait
[06:25] <gnomefreak> hi MoL0ToV
[06:25] <kepler> did it load the first time?
[06:25] <replica> purple :(( is the major color but the wallpapers too good
[06:25] <tg3> No
[06:25] <replica> panel color sux
[06:25] <nearst> miroesq, uncomment #GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true" at /etc/default/grub, sudo update-grub and boot in recovery mode or last kernel
[06:25] <kepler> how did you install it initially?
[06:26] <tg3> I created a USB installer from an older computer with Windows Vista on it.
[06:26] <dr_willis> ive seen color tweakable themes at the  webupd8 and omgubuntu sites. but i never messed wihh them
[06:26] <tg3> I booted off the USB and it worked fine.
[06:27] <kepler> can you recreate that installer the same way, off that old machine?
[06:27] <miroesq> nearst, before i really start messing around with this thing, i would like to make sure that what i believe is the issue is correct. is it at all possible to find out under which kernel a specific .deb package was installed or in the alternate, when the kernel was actually updated?
[06:27] <replica> -.-' sad the panel is so girly now
[06:27] <tg3> I hadn't thought about it, but that will be my next step... To fire that sucker up.
[06:27] <backbox> replica, what desktop r u running?
[06:27] <replica> ubuntu 12.10
[06:27] <KongKung> ><"
[06:28] <dr_willis> !manual  | replica
[06:28] <backbox> sorry, I mean like XFCE, Gnome, KDE etc
[06:28] <dr_willis> you can select differnt themes awith differnt colors and theres many custome themes  out there
[06:28] <kepler> gl! startup repair should do it. if not, may want to google fixboot for win8, think it is called bootrec or something
[06:28] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem, if i click on firefox user e password fields on gmail, the keyboard don't write (after latest updates) howto fix?
[06:28] <tg3> Thanks kepler!
[06:29] <topper4125> !windows | better windows support for you  probably
[06:29] <nearst> miroesq, depends. what problem actually? if graphic issue. try nomodeset in grub option ( which usually ppl get )
[06:30] <singharkirat> How to use nomodeset in grub?
[06:30] <backbox> replica, are you using the Unity Desktop, or Gnome, or KDE, or XFCE, or LXDE?
[06:30] <topper4125> love you ubottu gives the same results for !windows and !bug1
[06:30] <backbox> Cinnamon...
[06:30] <replica> how to know tht i just installed ubuntu 2 days back
[06:30] <replica> :| ?
[06:30] <replica> i am a total noob
[06:30] <nearst> singharkirat, enter "e" on grub line option before boot
[06:31] <miroesq> nearst, it is for a very specific program, netborder express for my sangoma telephony card. from searching and reading, it may very well be because the program was installed under one kernel and now a different kernel is running.
[06:31] <singharkirat> Okay.. :)
[06:31] <backbox> replica, you installed regular Ubuntu
[06:31] <replica> yep
[06:31] <backbox> Your running Unity Desktop
[06:31] <anomoly> what is the best way to run a fully persistent ubuntu environment on a flash drive?
[06:31] <nearst> miroesq, yeah. some application,distro, mods really have specific option in kernel. im guess try boot with your last kernel
[06:32] <replica> so wat shd i do ?
[06:32] <miroesq> nearst, if i reboot with my last kernel, can i change that again without any problems?
[06:33] <decci> I have installed Ubuntu without RAID partitioning system. I have just one /dev/sda1,2,3 partiton I can see through fdisk. I added 3 more disk. How shall I create RAID out of my four disk
[06:33] <nearst> miroesq, if application have no problem with your last kernel. just always boot the right kernel. incase u dont wanna play with kernel compile thinggy
[06:33] <dr_willis> anomoly:  you can do a full install to a flash drive. if its large enough
[06:33] <decci> Is it possible to include /dev/sda too for RAID
[06:33] <topper4125> Unity desktop really doesn't offer much in the way of user control of the appearance... best idea for those who want total control of their desktop enviroment is to switch to one that isnt so controlling.
[06:33] <backbox> Bad news, idk anything about it, I always use xfce on whatever distro I run, but the good news is it very popular, very well known, and well documented I'm sure... google could probably help you with some persistence... replica your name just to alert you if your IRCclient supports it.
[06:34] <decci> I am looking for RAID 10 out of 4 HDD of 3TB each
[06:34] <replica> anyways thnkx backbox
[06:34] <anomoly> dr_willis: should I inclued the bootloader on the flash drive? if so can I do that without effecting the current bootloader?
[06:35] <backbox> hakuna
[06:35]  * backbox is leaving now... bye bye all
[06:36] <miroesq> nearst, your instructions are to uncomment #GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true" at /etc/default/grub, sudo update-grub and boot in recovery mode or last kernel. I can uncomment that line, execute the update grub command,, but i have no idea how ot reboot in recovery mode or using last kernel.
[06:36] <anomoly> dr_willis: it's been a while since I tired, but I think last time I did the usb install it messed with local bootloader and I had to have the flash drive in to boot the local OS
[06:37] <nearst> miroesq, try reboot and choose last kernel or recovery mode
[06:37] <miroesq> nearst, another problem is that i am in a remote location using ssh
[06:38] <miroesq> nearst, so i can't choose anything at the boot screen
[06:39] <miroesq> nearst, can i issue a command to boot using a specific kernel?
[06:39] <dr_willis> anomoly:  you tell grub to install to the mbr of the usb
[06:39] <dr_willis> anomoly:  i do usb installs all the time
[06:40] <nearst> miroesq, ouch. try ls -l /boot. check how many kernel inside
[06:40] <anomoly> dr_willis: excellent, I'll give it a go. Thanks for the help!
[06:40] <miroesq> nearst, will this command reboot my system or just show me which kernel's are installed?
[06:40] <savagecroc> i'm getting setfacl: /srv: Invalid argument    when running setfacl --modify user:blix_int:r-x /srv
[06:41] <savagecroc> any ideas why?
[06:41] <miroesq> nearst, dpkg --list | grep linux-image shows me that i have 3 kernels
[06:42] <savagecroc> i am root, /srv is rwx, blix_int definitly exists.. i've got no idea why it's failing
[06:43] <nearst> miroesq, u can choose default kernel in /etc/default/grub
[06:44] <miroesq> nearst, is there a log file somewhere that would show me when a kernel was updated?
[06:46] <peugi>  hi I am running postgres and python wsgi server on the same micro ec2 instance, do you think I should put postgres on a separate micro ec2 instanc
[06:47] <peugi> would that speed up things a bit?
[06:47] <nearst> miroesq, ya. in /var/log/apt/history.log
[06:47] <miroesq> nearst, thank you so much. let me look at that first and let you know if i see anything.
[06:48] <savagecroc> can anyone tell me what could be wrong with setfacl --modify user:991:rwx /srv to give me : setfacl: /srv: Invalid argumen
[06:48] <nearst> miroesq, okies.
[06:52] <miroesq> nearst, beautiful, i found the entry that messed everything up for me!
[06:52] <miroesq> nearst, can i paste it somewhere for you to take a look at?
[06:53] <nearst> !info pastebin
[06:53] <nearst> !pastebin
[06:53] <miroesq> nearst, http://pastebin.com/DtQuwFnX
[06:56] <bentinata> hello?
[06:56] <bentinata> anybody?
[06:57] <singharkirat> Hello
[06:57] <livefree424> hi
[06:58] <nearst> miroesq, try check any kernel boot option at /boot/extlinux/linux.cfg
[06:59] <miroesq> nearst, 1 sec.
[07:00] <miroesq> nearst, I don't have that directory.
[07:00] <miroesq> nearst, i'm running ubuntu 10.04
[07:00] <nearst> oic.
[07:01] <bentinata> TIME
[07:01] <bentinata> PING
[07:01] <bentinata> Whois
[07:02] <miroesq> nearst, do you think this can be fixed?
[07:02] <nearst> miroesq, usually kernel boot default in /etc/default/grub by changing default=0 options
[07:02] <nearst> miroesq, in case u have 3 kernel. so u will have 6 line kernel include recovery
[07:03] <miroesq> nearst, was it just the kernel or what was upgarded exactly in that paste?
[07:03] <nearst> miroesq, so last kernel maybe default=2
[07:03] <bentinata>
[07:03] <bentinata>
[07:03] <bentinata>
[07:03] <bentinata>
[07:03] <bentinata>
[07:03] <bentinata>
[07:03] <FloodBot1> bentinata: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:05] <miroesq> nearst, this is my grub http://pastebin.com/wURFpumZ
[07:06] <nearst> which kernel is work fine before upgrade ?
[07:07] <miroesq> nearst, i have no idea. i can pastebin the only kernel update i did. mind you, i only installed this system less than 48 hours ago.
[07:08] <nearst> miroesq, owh. try change to default=2 then sudo update-grub
[07:09] <miroesq> nearst, http://pastebin.com/bPbdCvpd this was the only two entries i had with regard to the kernel
[07:10] <miroesq> nearst, are you sure that i have 3 kernels and that default 2 will not leave me stuck and dead in the water after a reboot?
[07:10] <dr_willis> you can select different kernels from the grub menu
[07:10] <mighty2361> hello
[07:11] <mighty2361> any1 here?
[07:11] <dr_willis> 1000+ people in this room
[07:11] <nearst> miroesq, sure. worth to try. if not work. change to default=4
[07:12] <mighty2361> any1 knows how can I install ubuntu (wubi) with more than 30 gbs?
[07:12] <nearst> gbs?
[07:12] <mighty2361> gigabytes
[07:12] <Rosuav> Hi, I've no idea if I'm in the right place or not... is there a proper place to ask for help building Upstart?
[07:12] <nearst> ubuntu from wubi and set harddisk to 30gb for installation? that what u mean?
[07:12] <nixbag> so i'm using a custom ubuntu install from the mini.iso, and I don't have networking-manager. tried editing /etc/network/interfaces (works in debian).
[07:13] <dr_willis> after the install, you can enlarge your wubi hd/save file i belive
[07:13] <miroesq> nearst, so no matter what, the system will reboot again, it is not going to get stuck?
[07:13] <mighty2361> no
[07:13] <mighty2361> more than 30gb
[07:13] <nearst> miroesq, ya. only different kernel.current kernel is problem to your application. maybe try boot another
[07:14] <nixbag> is there a special way to set a static IP from the commandline? doing it via /etc/network/interfaces like most other distros doesn't work.
[07:14] <dr_willis> mighty2361:  id say check askubuntu.com to see if they have a anwser for that.
[07:14] <nixbag> and i don't have networkmanager installed. did a minimal install.
[07:14] <Rosuav> nixbag, I disable or uninstall networkmanager on all my boxes, and then /etc/network/interfaces works fine
[07:15] <dr_willis> nixbag:  theres the ifconfig and other commands
[07:15] <nixbag> Rosuav: weird. I always get connection problems after setting it to static
[07:15] <nearst> nixbag, append /etc/network/interfaces line to static
[07:15] <Rosuav> auto eth1
[07:15] <Rosuav> iface eth1 inet static
[07:15] <Rosuav> That's not working?
[07:16] <zykotic10> Rosuav: you'd also need the lines: address, netmask, network, broadcast and gateway.
[07:16] <nixbag> my setup now is as follows:  iface eth0 inet static\n address 192.168.1.x\n netmask <IP_ADDRESS>\n gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:16] <nixbag> in debian all i need is address, netmask, and gateway
[07:16] <nearst> your /etc/resolv.conf ?
[07:17] <Rosuav> Assuming of course that that isn't a literal 'x', that should work. What isn't working?
[07:17] <nixbag> my resolv.conf has my nameservers
[07:17] <bentinata> anyone understand NetBeansIDE?
[07:17] <bentinata> anyone understand NetBeansIDE?
[07:17] <nixbag> i was using x just as a variable
[07:17] <Rosuav> Yep
[07:17] <alang> I've gotten a bus error, and my core file limit is set to unlimited, but nothing was created in /var/crash. Why could this be? (my /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is the default ubuntu one)
[07:17] <Rosuav> I've seen some weird config file errors though :)
[07:18] <nixbag> but shouldnt the network pull my nameservers from my resolv.conf anyway? i shouldnt have to put them in the /etc/network/interfaces
[07:18] <nearst> route add gw default <ip>
[07:18] <nearst> check your gateway by route -n
[07:19] <nixbag> gateway is correct. the settings always worked in debian 100%, but doesnt in ubuntu
[07:19] <nixbag> tried flushing dns also
[07:20] <nearst> usually work with me on minimal installation
[07:20] <nixbag> maybe its my router giving me problems
[07:21] <Rosuav> I actually don't have a recent Ubuntu system to test on
[07:21] <Rosuav> My latest is... Maverick. :|
[07:21] <nearst> i love karmic most
[07:21] <Rosuav> My server's still running Karmic.
[07:21] <Rosuav> Until I had a UPS failure last week, it was boasting 129 weeks of uptime
[07:21] <miroesq> nearst, sure my system is not going to get stuck if i set default to 2 and reboot?
[07:22] <meet> can some one give me a step by step help with installation?
[07:22] <miroesq> nearst, i looked at grub.cfg and i believe that 2 is right. then again, i have never done any of this before. i am using serach, reading a lot and of course, your help :)
[07:22] <nearst> miroesq, set default=2 and update-grub