[00:28] <Rob_____> Hello all! It is the official chat of lubuntu?
[00:29] <Rob_____> :(
[00:38] <KM0201> hmm,
[00:47] <phillw> KM0201: he is the correct room now :)
[00:47] <KM0201> lol
[00:47] <phillw> *he is in*
[02:07] <poltak> anyone have problem with lubuntu?
[02:11] <KM0201> nope.. :)
[02:11] <KM0201> u?
[02:11] <KM0201> poltak:
[02:11] <poltak> KM0201: does lubuntu have the software store?
[02:11] <KM0201> not by default.. i think you can install it if you want it though
[02:12] <KM0201> it has synaptic
[02:12] <poltak> hmm what distro do you use?
[02:12] <KM0201> lubuntu
[02:12] <KM0201> 11.04
[02:13] <poltak> I use Arch
[02:13] <poltak> I would like lubntu because it is nice fast and good for old hardware
[02:13] <KM0201> yeah, if you can use arch, you'll figure out ubuntu/lubuntu
[02:14] <KM0201> !info software-center
[02:14] <KM0201> so thats an easy install
[02:14] <KM0201> although i prefer synaptic, software center is available if you want it
[02:14] <poltak> gran
[02:15] <poltak> Aynone use SSD?
[02:17] <KM0201> no
[02:17] <KM0201> i should say, no, i don't
[02:17] <KM0201> i'm sure someone does
[02:41] <n0yd> hey guys and girls
[02:41] <n0yd> Anyone have issues with ccsm not working in lubuntu? it wsorked fine on my regular gnome desktop on same install
[02:41] <n0yd> \it justy gives me a straace when i try to run
[04:06] <KM0201> any smart people around?
[04:06] <Unit193> Rules me out...
[04:06] <KM0201> lovely
[04:06] <KM0201> is there a way to use Gksudo, w/ pcmanfm?
[04:06] <Unit193> :D
[04:07] <KM0201> here's what happened.
[04:07] <KM0201> i was just using my laptop, like normal, closed firefox, went to restart it, said there was an unexpected error in an unknown application, it done that on any app i started
[04:07] <KM0201> so i restarted,
[04:07] <KM0201> now, i log in at the login screen, it looks like it logs in, then drops back to the log inscreen
[04:08] <KM0201> im not really concerned w/ fixing the problem (i tried rm'ing Xauthority, etc.
[04:09] <KM0201> my main issue, is i want to back up /.thunderbird
[04:10] <KM0201> Unit193: no ideas?
[04:13] <Unit193> KM0201: Backup .thunderbird? You SFTP it over to another computer or boot off a liveCD
[04:13] <KM0201> Unit193: i booted a lubuntu live usb... but whenever i access my /home, it says permission denied, so i tried sudo cp... permission denied.
[04:13] <KM0201> i know gksudo works, cuz i've used it before.
[04:14] <KM0201> but for some reason... gksudo doesn't get used in lubuntu
[04:14] <KM0201> its no big deal.. worst that happens is i put ubuntu on a live cd, and do that real quick, then reinstall lubuntu.
[04:15] <KM0201> i was able to move a couple of movies, etc.. to my backup.. but when i try to back up, say... /.thunderbird   i get no joy
[04:20] <Unit193> ls -l -a |grep thunder
[04:22] <KM0201> whats thunder?
[04:22] <KM0201> !info thunder
[04:49] <jmarsden> !info thunderbird | KM0201
[04:49] <jmarsden> Oh, he disappeared ... never mind :)
[05:59] <head_victim> Hmm is it default to have colours in LXTerminal or is it just some config file I have stored from years ago?
[06:01] <bioterror> what colors
[06:01] <head_victim> Dark and light blues
[06:01] <head_victim> cd /
[06:01] <head_victim> and then
[06:01] <head_victim> ls
[06:01] <bioterror> ls colors
[06:02] <bioterror> im a zsh user
[06:03] <head_victim> I was just using the default stuff but it did have some sort of terminal config from a previous install
[06:03] <bioterror> i have alias for them
[06:03] <bioterror> it has nothing to do with terminal
[06:03] <bioterror> its in your bashrc
[06:04] <bioterror> or profile
[06:23] <jmarsden> By default, Ubuntu and Lubuntu set alias ls=ls --color=auto    (in .etc/skel/.bashrc
[06:36] <head_victim> I just modified the bash.rc
[06:36] <head_victim> I like time and date stamps as well
[06:37] <head_victim> Takes up a lot more room on the screen but with a 24inch monitor it doesn't really matter
[06:45] <jmarsden> For a way to see the date/time of last prompt in the window title, you can do things like   PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;`date +%F\ %T` ${USER}@`hostname --fqdn`: ${PWD/$HOME/~}\007"'
[06:45] <jmarsden> This avoids wasting space in the terminal window itself :)
[06:45] <head_victim> Thu_19May2011_15:45:59_jared@galapagos:~$
[06:45] <head_victim> That's my prompt
[06:46] <head_victim> That being said I have a similar timestamp on IRC
[06:47] <bioterror> head_victim, would you like to try zsh? ;)
[06:47] <head_victim> I don't even know what that is bioterror  ;)
[06:47] <bioterror> head_victim, something beyond bash
[06:48] <head_victim> I hardly use bash so probably not ;) I'm what you call a "novice end user"
[06:48] <bioterror> isnt it time to rise above others?
[06:49] <bioterror> maybe yo
[06:49] <bioterror> you will understand more why terminal > gui ;)
[06:50] <head_victim> I already understand terminal > gui for certain thiings it's just I don't use a lot of those things regularly  ;)
[06:53] <jmarsden> head_victim: my PROMPT_COMMAND makes my window title look something like:   2011-05-18 22:51:55<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/home/jonathan/packages/bibledit/main
[06:53] <jmarsden> But my shell prompt is quite a bit shorter :)
[06:53] <bioterror> my window title says hmmm
[06:53] <bioterror> what did it say
[06:54] <bioterror> it says lots of stuff
[06:54] <bioterror> like last command, which tty
[06:54] <bioterror> under screen that does not work ;)
[06:55] <jmarsden> bioterror: Right, I wrap that setting inside a case statement that checks your $TERM is xterm or rxvt to try to handle that little issue.
[06:55]  * jmarsden has a .bashrc around 200 lines long... :)
[06:56] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/weekhat.png
[06:56] <bioterror> example
[06:57] <bioterror> tty, folder and last command
[06:57] <jmarsden> last command is ssh but shows an irc client... shouldn't it show the command that started the irc client??
[06:58] <bioterror> last command is ssh
[06:58] <bioterror> to my shell
[06:59] <jmarsden> OK... you are so paranoid you need to run IRC non-locally?? :)
[07:00] <bioterror> I run it becouse my cable conenction sucks and oh well
[07:00] <bioterror> this is kinda free for me ;)
[07:00] <bioterror> my friend runs webhotel and stuff
[07:00] <bioterror> and I help when I can with things like moving servers in the middle of the night from cave to another :D
[07:01] <bioterror> and I have three domains hosted too
[07:01] <bioterror> and emails there for me, my wife and my parents with unlimited quota
[07:01] <jmarsden> so I can send you a 5 Exabyte email? :)
[07:02] <bioterror> first you need to get that ammount of space :D
[07:02] <bioterror> cat /dev/urandom > ;D
[07:02] <jmarsden> No, I can write a program to generate it one byte at a time :)
[07:02] <jmarsden> You need the space to receive it, not to send it :)
[07:02] <bioterror> but ofcourse I try not to abuse this thing
[07:23] <head_victim> Nice, I've just lost my mouse pointer, it's invisible but still there sort of
[07:23] <bioterror> I took it
[07:23] <head_victim> DAMN YOU
[07:23] <bioterror> I need more mouse pointers
[07:23] <head_victim> Might be synergy related
[07:24] <head_victim> Nope
[07:25] <head_victim> Damn mouse pointers
[07:25] <head_victim> Any suggestions on resetting that without a restart of X ?
[07:25] <bioterror> try lxpanel and mouse icon :P
[07:26] <head_victim> just killed the lxpanel, it's gone but the pointer hasn't returned :/
[07:26] <bioterror> sorry
[07:27] <bioterror> I need to drink my cup of coffee till end
[07:27] <bioterror> becouse I ment lxappearance
[07:27] <bioterror> without lxpanel lxde is rather useless :G
[07:27] <bioterror> head_victim, you're too trigger happy
[07:27] <head_victim> No lxappearance here
[07:28] <head_victim> And I can get my panel back easily enough
[07:28] <head_victim> Hmm
[07:29] <head_victim> I'm thinking restarting X might be my only option :/
[07:29] <head_victim> In which case I may as well reboot for that kernel update as well
[07:29] <jmarsden> head_victim: Just learn to use the shell instead of a GUI :)
[07:29] <bioterror> head say in terminal: service lxdm restart ;)
[07:29] <head_victim> bioterror: does that restart X though?
[07:29] <bioterror> yeah
[07:30] <head_victim> HAHAHA I think my mouse batteries died
[07:30] <head_victim> I found the pointer. It's stationary
[07:30] <bioterror> :D
[07:31] <head_victim> On that note I shall go shopping and let it recharge *docks mouse and feels like an idiot*
[07:31] <bioterror> hahhaha
[07:31] <bioterror> you at least have that dock
[07:32] <head_victim> Heh I got my lxpanel back as well though so it's not like I lost anything
[07:34] <jmarsden> There is no known Lubuntu command to return mouse to dock to recharge dead mouse batteries... you have to do that yourself :)
[07:35] <bioterror> needs some physical work
[07:35] <bioterror> move hand
[07:35] <bioterror> "sudo mv mouse dock"
[08:23] <poltak> what kind of kernel does lubuntu use? (and please don't say "linux")
[08:23] <bioterror> 32bit :D
[08:23] <bioterror> or if you're using that AMD64 test iso
[08:23] <bioterror> you have 64bit kernel!
[08:24] <poltak> ...
[08:24] <bioterror> could you specify more
[08:24] <poltak> don't
[08:25] <poltak> Does it use the same kernel as Ubuntu?
[08:25] <bioterror> there's this generic kernel, then there's PAE-kernel and even realtime kernel
[08:25] <bioterror> poltak, ofcourse it uses the same kernel as ubuntu, or kubuntu or even the xubuntu uses
[08:25] <bioterror> we use the same repository
[08:25] <poltak> don't
[08:25] <bioterror> the only difference between ubuntu and lubuntu is that candy what you see on your desktop
[08:26] <poltak> and the name
[08:26] <bioterror> and bunch of more lightweight applications that's shipped
[08:30] <bioterror> poltak, but I give you props for that Linux comment ;)
[08:30] <lighta> hi here, what the command to start lxfe panel again ? start lfce-panel seem not the good one
[08:30] <bioterror> :)
[08:31] <bioterror> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[08:31] <lighta> thx bioterror =)
[08:31] <bioterror> lighta, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ bookmarks it ;)
[08:32] <lighta> yep eh I found it weird one panel stuck wasn't easy to start app again
[08:32] <lighta> I mean I used formally xfce, I just add to do right clic then navigate to app but here na ! had to do the way in usr/bin/ lol
[08:33] <poltak> bioterror: I reject your prop
[08:41] <head_victim> Hey lookk, my mouse works again now
[08:41] <bioterror> \o/
[08:48] <MrChrisDruif> Great head_victim :)
[09:26] <head_victim> If anyone is ever looking for a good book to buy that wants to learn about linux and sys admin stuff http://www.apress.com/9781430219125 is awesome
[09:27] <head_victim> It's more beginner than pro but still awesome for learners like me
[10:10] <head_victim> hmm where can I find bash alias'? I thought I'd fixed the colour problem but find and ls and stuff still have colours :/
[10:10] <bioterror> /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:14] <head_victim> Nothing in there at all
[10:14] <bioterror> really
[10:14] <head_victim> Well nothing colour related
[10:14] <bioterror> Thu08:23*<jmarsden> By default, Ubuntu and Lubuntu set alias ls=ls --color=auto    (in .etc/skel/.bashrc
[10:15] <head_victim> unset color_prompt force_color_prompt
[10:18] <head_victim> I think that's doing something
[10:18] <head_victim> Nah found it
[10:18] <head_victim> Sorry I should look at the whole file first
[10:18] <bioterror> you should use find!
[10:18] <head_victim> Yeah was trying to be lazy in nano
[12:12] <silverarrow> hi
[12:15] <head_victim> Gday silverarrow
[12:23] <silverarrow> hi head
[12:24] <stlsaint> lol
[12:24] <stlsaint> hi head
[12:26] <silverarrow> I'm considering downloading opera, or grease monkey, and hopefully make them play youtube videos
[12:31] <stlsaint> silverarrow: chromium doesnt work?
[12:31] <bioterror> good luck with Opera
[12:31] <bioterror> try facebook for example with Opera and you will notice nice CPU load
[12:31] <silverarrow> it's suppose to be difficult with chromium, but opera and grease monkey are possible
[12:32] <silverarrow> true lol
[12:32] <silverarrow> opera is a bit taxing, but fire fox is even worse
[12:32] <bioterror> I liked MacGyver when he had that pocket knife, but then again Opera is horrible
[12:33] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe on the very tiny computers
[12:33] <bioterror> MacGyver did awesome things with this knife, but Opera is a worse in everything
[12:33] <bioterror> as a browser, as a mail client, as a what ever
[12:33] <silverarrow> it is?
[12:34] <bioterror> silverarrow, try midori
[12:34] <bioterror> give it a chance
[12:34] <silverarrow> when I did research on the library, and had all kinds of online books, documents and flash streams going, Opera was the only one that never crashed
[12:36] <silverarrow> in Puppy linux opera ran very smoothly on minimal systems, when fire fox didn't
[12:36] <silverarrow> but now, I am in lubuntu, so maybe not opera then
[12:36] <bioterror> Chrome likes RAM
[12:36] <bioterror> that's for sure
[12:37] <bioterror> or Chromium
[12:37] <bioterror> try midori
[12:37] <silverarrow> chromium works fine, and I have only 1GB right now
[12:37] <bioterror> did you install midori?
[12:37] <silverarrow> adobe doesn't run smoothly, but vlc does for some reason
[12:38] <poltak> midori is lovely
[12:38] <silverarrow> I am opening package manager ;- )
[12:38] <bioterror> silverarrow, sudo apt-get install midori
[12:38] <bioterror> it's that easy ;)
[12:38] <silverarrow> lol
[12:39] <bioterror> I yesterday saw once again wacom users
[12:39] <bioterror> and they said I would never use mouse again if I tried to use wacom for a week
[12:40] <poltak> bioterror: your point?
[12:40] <silverarrow> now I have midori
[12:43] <silverarrow> do you draw a lot?
[12:43] <bioterror> silverarrow, how does it play?
[12:43] <bioterror> silverarrow, I dont draw, but those guys downstairs draws
[12:43] <bioterror> and when I get to their computers, it's like ":D"
[12:43] <silverarrow> lol
[12:44] <silverarrow> yeah, it can be fun
[12:44] <bioterror> you keep that pen above that board and try to click by movign pen down :D
[12:46] <silverarrow> hmm, midori is veeeryyy slow
[12:46] <bioterror> is it?
[12:46] <bioterror> should be fast like greased lightning
[12:46] <silverarrow> perhaps just the few seconds,
[12:46] <poltak> silverarrow: you should probably use links if midori's too slow for you
[12:46] <silverarrow> it seems to run fine now
[12:46] <bioterror> poltak, +1 ;D
[12:46] <bioterror> links -g
[12:48] <silverarrow> I mean, it looks like it was slow only in the very beginning, but not now
[12:49] <silverarrow> weird thing is that Opera was really quick in Puppy Linux
[12:49] <bioterror> as I said, try facebook with opera and you will notice that it uses lots of cpu
[12:49] <bioterror> while chromium for example uses almost nothing at all
[12:49] <silverarrow> I will
[12:49] <bioterror> but then again, if I use speedtest.net with chromium
[12:49] <bioterror> my cpu usage is around 60-80% :D
[12:50] <bioterror> and I have slow AMD Athlon X2 2.7GHz
[12:50] <bioterror> seems like I need more cores
[12:50] <silverarrow> chromium was really bad in puppy, for some reason,
[12:51] <silverarrow> at least on the computer I had then
[12:51] <silverarrow> but in lubuntu, it works fine
[12:52] <silverarrow> I used to like firefox, had it for years, but then I got used to opera,
[12:53] <silverarrow> on my ubuntu computer I had firefox and xp computer opera
[12:53] <bioterror> like googles sync more than opera's sync
[12:53] <bioterror> I get everything synced with chromium and chrome
[12:54] <bioterror> no big hustle with those
[12:54] <silverarrow> internet explorer wasn't the best there for a while, but the latest versions have pretty much fixed a lot of problems
[12:54] <bioterror> it's still slow
[12:54] <bioterror> no matter what kind of hw you have, it's slow
[12:54] <bioterror> and I bet IE9 is still a security risk
[12:54] <silverarrow> yes, a bit slow, especially at startup
[12:55] <bioterror> (I just picked up a laptop for reinstallation becouse of malmware/virus ;)
[12:55] <silverarrow> safety is an issu
[12:55] <bioterror> I
[12:55] <bioterror> I'm now making new images with chrome and firefox 4 installed
[12:56] <silverarrow> cool
[12:56] <silverarrow> is fire fox the safest still?
[12:56] <bioterror> I dont have any problems with Chrome
[12:56] <silverarrow> I never had anything in opera, and I had trend micro then
[12:58] <silverarrow> with the linix distros I have had I never installed antivirus
[12:58] <bioterror> that's becouse there's only few of them and those are not active
[12:58] <bioterror> all you have is mostly remote exploits
[12:58] <bioterror> you need to run those
[12:58] <bioterror> and some holes in softwares :)
[12:59] <bioterror> but they get fixed rather fast
[12:59] <bioterror> you're pretty safe when you're not having open ports to outworld
[13:00] <bioterror> if you have sshd for example, you just remember to disable root login and have a little more tricky username instead of firstname and password that has big letter, number and has more than 6 marks
[13:00] <bioterror> small things matters
[13:01] <silverarrow> noted
[13:01] <bioterror> and you can install fail2ban or denyhosts
[13:01] <bioterror> I have denyhosts installed
[13:01] <silverarrow> I have to google it
[13:01] <bioterror>  cat /etc/hosts.deny |wc -l
[13:01] <bioterror> 16885
[13:02] <bioterror> ;)
[13:04] <bioterror> and from the last 4 days
[13:04] <bioterror> sudo cat /var/log/auth.log |grep refused |wc -l
[13:04] <bioterror> 51
[13:04] <silverarrow> what I like about firefox and chromium is the toolbar bookmarks, you can have only the logo, no title text
[13:05] <silverarrow> very cool
[13:08] <silverarrow> thanks for the new info
[13:08] <silverarrow> I have to leave now
[13:08] <silverarrow> have a fine day
[13:08] <silverarrow> thanks for all the help
[13:44] <rob_p> What's the best way to add an app launcher to the taskbar?
[13:44] <bioterror> what kind of app
[13:45] <bioterror> you have it installed?
[13:45] <rob_p> bioterror: Things from the, "Accessories" menu.
[13:45] <bioterror> you right click that taskbar, you edit that lauched application and you add an item to it
[13:45] <bioterror> launcher
[13:46] <bioterror> if I remember right
[13:46] <bioterror> I dont have lxpanel near me atm. ;)
[13:47] <rob_p> Hmm...doesn't seem to be very intuitive...
[13:48] <Neosano> Argh! Kupfer stopped working!
[13:48] <Neosano> it was working fine yesterday
[13:49] <Neosano> it pops up on ctrl+space but I can't type anything
[13:49] <Neosano> wrong channel, I know... but still :|
[13:49] <rob_p> bioterror: I right-click the taskbar and the only thing that looks promising is a menu item that says, "Add/Remove panel items" so I select that.  From there, I get a window with a bunch of things that don't lead me to the items in, "Accessories" so it doesn't seem to be possible.
[13:50] <Neosano> uhm what's was the problem?
[13:51] <rob_p> Neosano: Was your question directed at me?
[13:51] <bioterror> I'll buut my 10.10 pendrive
[13:51] <Neosano> rob_p, yeah ^^
[13:51] <rob_p> Neosano: What's the best way to add an app launcher to the taskbar?
[13:51] <Neosano> o_o
[13:52] <rob_p> Neosano: I just want to put a launcher for lxterminal in my taskbar.
[13:52] <Neosano> add remove panel items/add/application launch bar
[13:52] <Neosano> then click on the launch bar, then click Edit
[13:52] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:52] <bioterror> right click panel
[13:52] <bioterror> panel settings
[13:52] <bioterror> choose panel applets tab
[13:53] <bioterror> there's application launcher bar
[13:53] <bioterror> choose chat active and edit
[13:53] <Neosano> bioterror, hmm, does it work ok from your pendrive?
[13:53] <bioterror> I assume you can figure out the rest
[13:53] <bioterror> Neosano, ofcourse it does, I made that stick ;)
[13:53] <Neosano> bioterror, mine freezes sometimes. :\
[13:53] <Neosano> bioterror, just for a sec or two..
[13:54] <rob_p> bioterror: Neosano: Oh, now I see what was happening.  I added launchbars but they need to be edited...
[13:54] <Neosano> rob_p, yeah ^.^ you can right click your launch bars directly from the panel
[13:55] <rob_p> bioterror: Neosano: Slightly unintuitive but now that I know the process, seems easy enough.  Thanks for the help.
[13:55] <Neosano> bioterror, especially 5 minutes after the boot.. shouldn't it work faster than from a hdd?
[13:55] <bioterror> no
[14:08] <bioterror> usb stick is slower than hdd ;)
[14:13] <Neosano> damn.. then is there a way to minimize disk usage?
[14:48] <budo> live cd will not boot into gui
[14:48] <bioterror> what's the error
[14:49] <budo> well........once you boot the live cd it enters black and white screen command mode
[14:50] <bioterror> hmm
[14:50] <budo> error occurs when I enter command:  startx
[14:50] <bioterror> hmmmm
[14:50] <bioterror> herp n derp
[14:50] <bioterror> I say
[14:50] <bioterror> !mini | budo
[14:50] <bioterror> try minimal installation
[14:50] <bioterror> install from that and we might have better resources to try fix the problem
[14:51] <bioterror> once you have minimal installation installed, you can say "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends"
[14:53] <budo> okay umm  is this a try out version?
[14:53] <budo> try out lubuntu without installing it on the hard drive?
[14:53] <bioterror> no
[14:53] <bioterror> you will install ubuntu wit minimal installation
[14:53] <bioterror> and then fetch all the lubuntu stuff
[14:53] <bioterror> I rather try to fix a working installation than LiveCD session
[14:54] <budo> oh ok  hmm
[14:55] <budo> lbuntu is very slim and fast, right?
[14:57] <bioterror> yes
[14:57] <bioterror> and remember to first run "sudo apt-get update"
[14:57] <bioterror> before you install lubuntu-desktop ;)
[14:59] <budo> well....i'll need to back up some files b4 i get started, brb
[15:57] <silverarrow> hi
[15:58] <silverarrow> yesterday I installed lubuntu to my new harddrive, and happen to burn the old version, but updated to the new one right away
[15:59] <silverarrow> now I am trying to figure out how to make videoplayer work properly, if I have all the restricted packages I need
[16:01] <bioterror> install vlc, easieräää
[16:01] <bioterror> easier... even
[16:01] <silverarrow> I have marked of for the restricted extras and plugins
[16:01] <silverarrow> I did
[16:01] <bioterror> if you dont have anything against qt
[16:01] <silverarrow> VLC is my favorite
[16:02] <silverarrow> it doesn't play torrent dowloads
[16:02] <bioterror> it plays anything you throw at it
[16:02] <silverarrow> yeah, usually
[16:02] <bioterror> what kind of pr0n have you leeched?
[16:02] <silverarrow> this old movie I downloaded plays in the gnome player
[16:02] <silverarrow> and old scary movie
[16:02] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:03] <silverarrow> I thought it was the version plaing in the movies now, but it turned out to be an old one
[16:03] <bioterror> would you download a car if you could?
[16:04] <silverarrow> I also dowloaded Red Riding Hood, but neither of them takes the rar stuff
[16:04] <bioterror> hahaha
[16:04] <silverarrow> neither gnome or vlc
[16:04] <bioterror> thats becouse they are compressed
[16:04] <silverarrow> yeah, funny, but I needed to have something to play and try out
[16:04] <bioterror> unrar x fooooooo.rar
[16:05] <bioterror> xbmc actually handles those
[16:05] <bioterror> fyi
[16:05] <silverarrow> hmm, I have opened rar in vlc before, but I cannot remember what I did
[16:05] <bioterror> stupid scene releases
[16:05] <silverarrow> yes
[16:06] <bioterror> after unpacking rm *.r*
[16:09] <silverarrow> the dvd player is not working either
[16:09] <silverarrow> hmm
[16:09] <silverarrow> do I need more than the restricted packages found in package manager?
[16:11] <silverarrow> somehow it does read the dvd, I can see a list of stuff when opening as a folder
[16:11] <bioterror> libdvdcss2 or what was it
[16:11] <bioterror> !dvd
[16:11] <bioterror> haaa
[16:11] <bioterror> !dvdplay
[16:19] <KarolRadom> I want to install Lubuntu desktop but now i have xubuntu 10.10. It will be OK if i install lubuntu desktop in synaptic??
[16:19] <silverarrow> hi, I happen to close the window
[16:20] <silverarrow> yeas, you should be able to choose desktop environment
[16:20] <silverarrow> yes
[16:20] <silverarrow> i missed the last posts bioterror made
[16:20] <silverarrow> unfortunately
[16:20] <KarolRadom> and after that i have to uninstall xubuntu packages??
[16:21] <silverarrow> hmm, I don't think you have to, but it's probably a good idea
[16:21] <silverarrow> in my experience the last desktop you choose, sort of sticks
[16:22] <silverarrow> and no messup
[16:22] <head_victim> KarolRadom: you don't have to, if you don't it will just leave it as an option to log into when you boot up
[16:22] <head_victim> silverarrow: he was using a bot command
[16:22] <head_victim> !dvd
[16:22] <head_victim> That's what he last posted :)
[16:22] <silverarrow> thanks
[16:22] <head_victim> No worries mate
[16:22] <silverarrow> cool
[16:23] <KarolRadom> ok thank you for your help
[16:23] <silverarrow> I have installed the restricted ones you have to choose manually
[16:24] <head_victim> silverarrow: should work then if you follow those instructions
[16:25] <silverarrow> it doesn't lol
[16:29] <budo> hmm.....the minimal install wont ask me for the partition scheme I want?
[16:29] <silverarrow> I still might be missing something
[16:30] <silverarrow> you  mean manual partitioning table ?
[16:31] <silverarrow> there is an option in the regular installation process
[16:32] <budo> yes the table
[16:32] <budo> okay, thanks
[16:33] <silverarrow> I get the message DVDRead could not read -1/4 blocks at 0x01
[16:33] <silverarrow> in vlc
[16:34] <silverarrow> budo, I think it is basically an integrated version of G-parted
[16:41] <bioterror> budo, what kind of partition table are you after?
[16:46] <budo> im thinking 504mb swap, 35mb for /boot, and for 1 dont know, and /mnt/home the rest
[16:46] <budo> its 8.5 GB hard drive
[16:46] <budo> for /  I dont know^
[16:46] <bioterror> rather small
[16:46] <budo> yup
[16:47] <bioterror> my wife's laptop: 145M    /boot
[16:47] <bioterror> :----D
[16:47] <budo> could I get away with smaller swap?
[16:47] <bioterror> how much you have RAM?
[16:48] <budo> most people I read only say rarely do people need over 100 mb for /boot
[16:48] <budo> 504 mb
[16:48] <bioterror> my wife seems to have couple of kernels
[16:48] <budo> oh i c
[16:48] <bioterror> oh, you have shared RAM with with graphics card?
[16:48] <bioterror> is that a laptop?
[16:49] <budo> good question  lol
[16:49] <budo> no desktop
[16:49] <bioterror> okay
[16:49] <budo> old gateway
[16:49] <bioterror> then you dont need 1.5x RAM
[16:50] <budo> could I get away with 384?
[16:50] <bioterror> oh look, I dont have swap activated atm. :D
[16:50] <bioterror> depends
[16:50] <bioterror> I dont know your habbits
[16:50] <bioterror> but I would put 512MB
[16:51] <bioterror> there's some for the case if a program starts to leak memory
[16:51] <budo> k
[16:52] <bioterror> / is the place where you install programs
[16:52] <bioterror> I would go with swap and /
[16:52] <bioterror> but that's me
[16:52] <silverarrow> with that kind of harddrive, why don't let lubuntu take over and handle it automatically?
[16:52] <budo> 800 MB for /, and rest for /mnt/home
[16:52] <bioterror> small /
[16:53] <bioterror> and logs will be too generated into /
[16:53] <silverarrow> hmm, a new harddrive and some ram would improve
[16:54] <silverarrow> ram for old portables doesn't cost much these days
[16:54] <budo> brb
[16:55] <silverarrow> I have a portable with 300 GB harddisk, 700 MGHz CPU, and 1GB ram, runs fine,
[16:55] <silverarrow> though for Totem player you need core 2 duo CPU, and 2 GB ram
[16:57] <silverarrow> I like the small portables, but only the newest can handle regular Ubuntu and Windows
[16:59] <silverarrow> budo, which model is it?
[17:16] <bioterror> silverarrow, tobe honest: with flash your cpu is too slow
[17:17] <silverarrow> yes it is, that old laptop is a curiosity
[17:17] <silverarrow> but a cerelon M 1,5GHz works
[17:17] <bioterror> even my few years old dell get's warm with flash
[17:18] <KM0201> Unit193: u around?
[17:18] <silverarrow> I used to have this tiny portable with an atom processor, every thing worked but it got hot
[17:18] <silverarrow> I think it is about 2 years old now, it came with windows 7
[17:19] <silverarrow> and W7 was pretty new then
[17:19] <bioterror> I have couple of Atom boards
[17:19] <bioterror> one with 330 and later one with D525
[17:19] <budo> ut oh, error occurred while trying to install the kernel
[17:20] <silverarrow> bioterror, VLC streams fine on the old computer
[17:20] <silverarrow> adobe, is jerky
[17:22] <silverarrow> but, it's way to old to depend upon, it's just that I had this new IDE harddisk and the others are SATA
[17:22] <silverarrow> so I had to try it in the old one,
[17:23] <silverarrow> my computers keep braking down, and need repair
[17:23] <silverarrow> even the new ones
[17:23] <bioterror> :D
[17:27] <Unit193> KM0201: Now I am...
[17:27] <KM0201> hang on a sec.. i just closed it...
[17:29] <KM0201> well crap, it won't let me paste it
[17:30] <bioterror> !language | KM0201
[17:30] <KM0201> bioterror: get bent.. crap isn't a bad word.
[17:30] <bioterror> ;)
[17:32] <KM0201> Unit193: can you see the problem here.. specifically 203-209   this worked fine on my laptop... http://pastebin.com/V9RmPzus
[17:32] <budo> wont install kernel
[17:44] <Unit193> KM0201: I take it it's just not running? Does it give any sort of error?
[17:44] <KM0201> Unit193: nope, nothing.. i hit ctrl alt l, and nothing at all happens
[17:47] <KM0201> Unit193: another way i could do it... is create a launcher, make it executable, and just add that to my panel and when i need to lock-screen, just click it... i'd be fine w/ that, but i can't figur eout how to create a launcher.
[17:47] <KM0201> unfortunately googling Lubuntu, always turns up "Ubuntu".. and i know how to do it in Ubuntu..
[17:48] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ <--- is that what you're looking for?
[17:48] <bioterror> KM0201, why dont you use super+l?
[17:48] <KM0201> Unit193: yeah
[17:49] <silverarrow> lubuntu is cool,
[17:49] <silverarrow> I think I shall have lubuntu  in my new laptop
[17:49] <KM0201> Unit193: only thing is... when i use super-l.. it doesn't work.. so go figure.
[17:50] <KM0201> i have cntrl alt l working fine on my laptop, w/ that exact set of lines, but for some reason.. not working on the desktop.
[17:50] <Unit193> Did you logout then back in?
[17:51] <KM0201> yeah.
[17:51] <KM0201> several times
[17:51] <ubuntu> hallo
[17:52] <ubuntu> i'm on the unofficial lubuntu 64, anything should I do to test?
[17:53] <Unit193> KM0201: Just to make sure, what file did you edit? And you are using 10.10 or 11.04?
[17:53] <KM0201> Unit193: 11.04, and /home/user/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[17:54] <KM0201> brb
[17:55] <KM0201> weird, i got it to work.
[17:55] <KM0201> i had copied/pasted it from my laptops file, and it looked exactly the same
[17:56] <KM0201> but.. i simply just "typed" it in, rather than copy/paste, and it worked.
[17:56] <KM0201> go figure.
[17:56] <Unit193> Laptop file > pastebin
[17:56] <KM0201> Unit193: i'm not at at it now.
[17:56] <KM0201> but it looks exactly like what i pastebinned earlier
[17:56] <KM0201> to the letter
[17:59] <KM0201> Unit193: thanks for your help, not sure what caused it.. only thing i did different, was type it in manually, rather than cut/paste, but it seems to be working now.
[18:00] <Unit193> KM0201: I would like to see the one that works to tell what went wrong (Compare)
[18:01] <KM0201> Unit193: it looks exactly the same...
[18:01] <KM0201> i even counted the spaces from the margin.
[18:01] <budo> on the minimal installation the kernel wont install
[18:03] <Unit193> KM0201: You could run a diff program on them (see what's changed)
[18:04] <KM0201> Unit193: to late now, i didn't save the old one
[18:04] <KM0201> i just retyped everything, logged out, logged in, and it worked
[18:04] <KM0201> maybe a weird space in there or something (from the copy/paste) was causing an issue?
[18:05] <Unit193> Well, would you mind pastebin? I have what *should* be the other one...
[18:05] <KM0201> yeah, hang on
[18:06] <KM0201> http://pastebin.com/SVix563q
[18:07] <KM0201> thats just the relevant part
[18:08] <KM0201> like i said, there had to be a hidden space, or somthing weird in there
[18:08] <KM0201> cuz when i typed it manually, it worked fine
[18:10] <ubuntu> hey what up yo
[18:11] <ubuntu> these messages that say "don't show this message again" don't seem to work
[18:11] <ubuntu> y'all up on this?
[18:12] <KM0201> Unit193: any ideas on what the prob was?
[18:13] <Unit193> KM0201: There was no change.... (Might be in the Keybind key part)
[18:13] <KM0201> hmm, maybe.
[18:48] <silverarrow> hi
[18:59] <ubuntu> hallo
[19:12] <bioterror> hi ubuntu
[19:13] <ubuntu> hello bioterror :)
[19:13] <bioterror> anything in mind?
[19:26] <ubuntu> I'm running the unofficial 64 bit lubuntu, just wondered if I should be running any tests or what not
[19:27] <bioterror> if it works, it's okay
[19:38] <Wulong> Can someone recommend a decent remote desktop serer like the one in Ubuntu?
[19:39] <Wulong> That should be server.
[19:39] <bioterror> szczur, would you say x11vnc?
[19:39] <bioterror> szczur, or you do prefer "tight" more? :D
[19:40] <szczur> i used x11vnc afair
[19:41] <Wulong> Is it virtual? I will need to be connected to the same desktop as the one running.
[19:42] <Wulong> Display :0.0
[19:42] <bioterror> isnt that the idea of vnc
[19:43] <Unit193> bioterror: That's not how tight server works... It makes it's own virtual server
[19:44] <Unit193> Wulong: x11vnc will show you the current/running desktop
[19:44] <Wulong> Ok. Downloading, thanks.
[19:44] <bioterror> really
[19:44] <bioterror> x11vnc then
[19:47] <Wulong> Do Lubuntu automatically connect to my last saved/used WiFi network when using automatically login?
[19:48] <bioterror> Wulong, you have said to do so
[19:57] <Wulong> Are there any autorun scripts or folders where I can run x11vnc on X startup?
[19:58] <bioterror> yes
[19:58] <Wulong> Where?
[19:58] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[19:58] <Wulong> ok, thanks
[19:58] <bioterror> 3.4
[20:00] <bioterror> budo, how's going now?
[20:00] <budo> anyone have any idea why a kernel will refuse to install on hard drive?
[20:00] <budo> hey
[20:00] <bioterror> budo, with mini.iso?
[20:01] <budo> itll download and install the packages but generate an error for kernal install
[20:01] <budo> yes
[20:01] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:01] <bioterror> not good
[20:01]  * bioterror tries to remember if there was possibility to choose another mirror
[20:02] <budo> yes there is, tried that, same response
[20:03] <budo> hope my hard drive isnt defected
[20:05] <bioterror> mini.iso should be idiot proof
[20:13] <Karolek> I have one questin: Can I update my lubuntu to 11.04 when I have version 10.10??
[20:14] <bioterror> yes
[20:14] <Wulong> Sure
[20:14] <Wulong> Run do-release-upgrade
[20:14] <bioterror> you can do it with update manager or from terminal with comman ^
[20:14] <Karolek> Everything will be OK??
[20:14] <bioterror> should be
[20:14] <Wulong> That is always the question :P
[20:15] <Karolek> OK thanks :)
[20:15] <bioterror> if n ot, i think we can think somekind of solutions
[20:15] <Wulong> As long as you don't have any exotic hardware.
[20:15] <Wulong> Like gma500 I'm struggling with.
[20:23] <Wulong> Maybe I should put lubuntu on my main computer. Is there anything like gnome-do available?
[20:23] <bioterror> gnome-do is a dock?
[20:23] <Wulong> No, it's a .... argh. Like katapult, if you know KDE.
[20:23] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:24] <Wulong> It executes program quickly.
[20:24] <Wulong> Simliar to what unity does today.
[20:24] <Wulong> You trigger the program, enter "fire" and it understand you want to open firefox and does it.
[20:24] <bioterror> "gnome do with the docky interface"
[20:25] <bioterror> I have gmrun
[20:25] <bioterror> I type chr and press tab :D
[20:25] <Wulong> I hit <menu>, type c and enter :D
[20:25] <Unit193> I wonder how well dmenu works in Lubuntu
[20:25] <Wulong> gnome-do didn't have that docking crap before.
[20:25] <Wulong> Used it for a long time.
[20:26] <Wulong> Always disabling it.
[20:26] <bioterror> oh well, dock is here to stay
[20:26]  * bioterror is not going to judge as I still use wmaker every day ;)
[20:27] <bioterror> but that's so OS X stuff
[20:27] <Wulong> I prefer screen relestate.
[20:27] <bioterror> Unit193, I've wondered that too
[20:32] <Wulong> I see gmrun is a little stupid.
[20:33] <Wulong> It suggest running CLI stuff in an desktop enviroment.
[20:33] <bioterror> how so
[20:33] <Wulong> Without even opening terminal for it.
[20:33] <Wulong> It should only check or atleast prioritate .desktop stuff.
[20:34] <Wulong> Maybe I can config it to do so.
[20:40] <Ahmuck-Sr> how do i tell what version of lubuntu i'm using?
[20:41] <Wulong> cat /etc/lsb-release
[20:42] <Ahmuck-Sr> looks like i'm at 10.4  how do i upgrade?
[20:42] <Wulong> do-release-upgrade
[20:42] <bioterror> lsb_release -rc
[20:42] <Ahmuck-Sr> sudo aptitude do-release-upgarde
[20:42] <Wulong> update-manager -d
[20:46] <Ahmuck-Sr> ps -ax
[20:49] <budo> bioterror:  it went through now.....frankly, it didnt like my partition scheme i had for some reason
[20:53] <bioterror> yep
[21:27] <slooksterpsv> hey all I have a quick question, is there a bug with the lxpanel's cause changing it to system theme doesn't make the panel's look like the chosen theme
[21:29] <slooksterpsv> ?? anyone?
[21:30] <gomiboy> works as expected here
[21:31] <Neosano> slooksterpsv, what version?
[21:31] <slooksterpsv> so if you change the system theme, and then select system theme for the appearance of lxpanel it works? hmmm I'm on 64-bit Lubuntu (installed Ubuntu 64-bit then used psychocats script to install lubuntu) and it doesn't what can I try - 11.04 64-bit
[21:36] <slooksterpsv> is anyone here running the 64-bit version via the torrent that was sent mentioned in the mailing list and it works?
[21:37] <gomiboy> slooksterpsv: try this: logout, ctrl+F1, login, mv .config/lxpanel .config/lxpanel.backup, ctrl+f7, login and change the setting
[21:40] <slooksterpsv> ahh I think I figured it out; well when I made this ISO I guess I not only had just LXDE installed, I guess I had tested KDE and Gnome, so I logged into LXDE instead of Default and it works... weird
[21:41] <slooksterpsv> alright I'll bb gonna grab the ISO off my other computer for the Lubuntu 64-bit torrent brb
[21:54] <ocj-001> i'm on 10.04.2.x
[21:54] <ocj-001> i was reading on upgrading, but it did not appear to work
[21:55] <ocj-001> really though, i'm comfortable with the LTS release.  is there a libre office option for 10.04.2
[21:55] <bioterror> no
[21:55] <bioterror> unless ppa
[21:55] <bioterror> ocj-001, what did not work?
[21:55] <bioterror> did you get somekind of error message?
[21:56] <ocj-001> k, guess i should upgrade then
[21:56] <ocj-001> k, let me try again
[21:56] <bioterror> "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[21:56] <bioterror> and you will end up to 10.10
[21:56] <bioterror> where you can upgrade again to 11.04
[21:58] <ocj-001> ocj-001@OCJ-001:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:58] <ocj-001> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[21:58] <ocj-001> No new release found
[21:59] <slooksterpsv> gomiboy, could I Just do rm .config/lxpanel and then pkill lxpanel ?
[21:59] <ocj-001> lsb_release -a
[21:59] <ocj-001> No LSB modules are available.
[21:59] <ocj-001> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[21:59] <ocj-001> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS
[21:59] <ocj-001> Release:	10.04
[21:59] <ocj-001> Codename:	lucid
[22:00] <bioterror> hmm
[22:00] <bioterror> ocj-001, use -d flag?
[22:00] <bioterror> do-release-upgrade -d
[22:01] <KM0201> ocj-001: are you trying to upgrade 10.04 to 10.10?
[22:01] <gomiboy> slooksterpsv: didn't you solved already? anyway, yes, should work that way too...
[22:02] <ocj-001> that worked
[22:02] <ocj-001> thx bioterror
[22:02] <bioterror> np
[22:02] <slooksterpsv> gomiboy, actually I have to rm the lxpanel directory in .config; set it to the system theme, change the system theme, then pkill lxpanel then lxpanel & just to get it to show correctly
[22:03] <slooksterpsv> oh wait now it's somewhat working... weird
[22:04] <slooksterpsv> either way we've figured out how to fix it
[22:05] <ocj-001> KM0201: i'm really only trying to get libre office, and if that requires upgrading, i'll try
[22:06] <KM0201> ocj-001: honestly, i see no reason to upgrade for libre office... that seems a bit like buying a new car because you'll get a free tank of gas
[22:07] <bioterror> ocj-001, https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[22:07] <KM0201> ocj-001: i'm pretty sure there's a repository for 10.04 and libre office
[22:07] <KM0201> ocj-001: thats the one i used for Maverick... i imagine it would work fine for lucid as well.
[22:07] <bioterror> but then again, if you're not using i586, I would recommend upgrading
[22:08] <ocj-001> cept there is no buying part
[22:08] <ocj-001> just the free tank of gas
[22:09] <ocj-001> any way of stopping the upgrade?
[22:09] <ocj-001> looks like there is a ppa
[22:09] <bioterror> ^C :D
[22:09] <ocj-001> it warns you when starting the upgrade, don't interrupt
[22:10] <bioterror> yep
[22:10] <bioterror> is it now upgrading to natty or maverick?
[22:13] <budo> the minimal install doesnt like my computer
[22:13] <bioterror> budo, what's the issue now?
[22:14] <ocj-001> now i need to downgrade
[22:14] <budo> itll complete the install n everything, once it reboots for the new system to load it just hangs there
[22:14] <ocj-001> to maverick
[22:14] <bioterror> ocj-001, what+
[22:14] <ocj-001> i cancelled the instal as it was only in the download part
[22:14] <bioterror> yes
[22:14] <bioterror> sudo apt-get clean
[22:14] <bioterror> and edit your apt sources
[22:14] <ocj-001> i need to downgrade my source.list to 10.04.2
[22:15] <ocj-001> sudo apt-get clean
[22:15] <ocj-001> sorry
[22:23] <KM0201> ocj-001: still doesn't make sense to jut upgrade for a free office program, that is easy to install on 10.04... (if the office program is your only reason to upgrade)...
[22:23] <KM0201> that was my point..
[22:24] <bioterror> rather funny that lts didnt have libreoffice in the repos by default
[22:25] <KM0201> bioterror: i dont think libre office was stable when 10.04 came out.. thus why it wasn't put in lts.
[22:25] <bioterror> oh well, they could add it to repos
[22:25] <bioterror> but in the end it doesnt matter
[22:26] <KM0201> they could, but its something to do w/ how the repos on LTS is handled..
[22:30] <bioterror> oh well, good night folks
[22:31] <Unit193> bioterror: Have a good one!


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[17:59] <dholbach> all right... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!


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[00:01] <JordanC> Hey there folks :)
[00:14] <JordanC> Yo ludoRA
[07:45] <Muhammad_Saad> How do I make a font package so that my friends can easily install them without the need to be told all the details?
[07:50] <johnny> can't you just drop it in fonts:// in nautilus? or does that still work these days?
[07:50] <kgoetz> should still work
[07:51] <Muhammad_Saad> I thought that it would be easier for friends with little knowledge of Linux.
[07:51] <kgoetz> eaiser then dropping files in a directory?
[07:52] <Muhammad_Saad> :-[
[07:52] <Muhammad_Saad> I mean, they will just double-click the package and the fonts will be installed system-wide.
[07:53] <Muhammad_Saad> Useful for those who are addicted to windows. :)
[07:54] <kgoetz> s/windows/insecurity
[07:54] <Muhammad_Saad> :-D
[07:56] <Muhammad_Saad> Why does the CD I requested from free shipping service does not seem to include any educational applications?
[08:00] <Muhammad_Saad> I have been asking this question again and again and again but I have never got an answer. :-( What is wrong?
[08:03] <johnny> i've never actually used an edubuntu cd
[08:03] <johnny> i'm here for the thin client discussion
[08:03] <johnny> haven't gotten to edu apps yet
[09:21] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I was disconnected just after I asked my question. Did someone answer it after I was disconnected?
[09:32] <Muhammad_Saad> It seems like nobody is here... :-(
[19:25] <even> anyone uses sabayon and/or pessulus with xfce?!
[19:25] <ogra_cmpc_> xfce doesnt use gconf ....
[19:29] <even> ogra_cmpc_: i try kiosk mode, but i dont know how configure the desktop to apply to all users
[19:31] <ogra_cmpc_> sabayon modifies gnome and nautilus settings, it wont gain you much with xfce ...
[19:32] <ogra_cmpc_> pessulus is a gconf lockdown editor, xfce doesnt use gconf
[19:41] <even> ogra_cmpc_: so, what i do to customize xfce desktop to all users?
[19:42] <ogra_cmpc_> no idea, i'm no xfce user, i guess #xubuntu could answer that
[19:42] <even> thanks


[01:24] <mingdao> oerheks: so here I am ;)
[01:29] <mingdao> bazhang: think I remember you from Debian?
[01:29] <bazhang> no idea
[01:30] <bazhang> running the non-released version means proviging info for bugfixing for one
[01:30] <mingdao> bug link please?
[01:30] <bazhang> for what
[01:31]  * mingdao hopes it's bugzilla and not Jira
[01:31] <mingdao> "means proviging info for bugfixing for one"
[01:31] <mingdao> where's the bug tracker?
[01:31] <bazhang> !bugs | mingdao
[01:31] <mingdao> k
[01:34] <mingdao> this is the second hard drive in the computer
[01:34] <mingdao> it was zeroed, no partition table
[01:35] <mingdao> would one expect the files to be in (hd1,gpt2) ?
[01:35] <mingdao> small text but it looks like that is /
[01:36] <mingdao> and under /boot there's efi/ and grub/ as well as the kernel, and initrd, and other files
[01:37] <bazhang> mingdao, whats the question
[01:37] <mingdao> would one expect the files to be in (hd1,gpt2) ?
[01:38] <mingdao> what's the deal? did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
[01:38] <bazhang> pardon?
[01:43] <mingdao> got it to boot from grub> but don't understand why the installer didn't install the bootloader
[01:44] <bazhang> mingdao, did it ever actually boot
[01:45] <bazhang> mingdao, and was this a straight install,of a failed upgrade
[01:45] <bazhang> or a
[01:45] <mingdao> < mingdao> it was zeroed, no partition table
[01:46] <mingdao> booted with the USB and choose the Install option
[01:46] <mingdao> and no, it didn't boot
[01:46] <bazhang> how was the iso written to usb
[01:46] <mingdao> when I clicked the Restart or whatever the GUI said after the install, it segfaulted with a nouveau error fir
[01:47] <mingdao> first
[01:48] <bazhang> mingdao, how was the iso written to usb, from what os, using which software method
[01:49] <mingdao> from Gentoo with dd iirc
[01:49] <bazhang> was the iso hash checked
[01:49] <mingdao> I've installed it using this flash drive several times and it's not always installed the same
[01:49] <mingdao> ofc
[01:50] <mingdao> you can skip that if you'd like, I'm booted into it now
[01:50] <bazhang> so it boots to the installer gui
[01:51] <mingdao> yes
[01:52] <mingdao> mingdao@workstation ~/Downloads $ sha256sum artful-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:52] <mingdao> 64c1f55e339874d9feaecf27a47255f32e212c455d66e82e57091248113f6fbf  artful-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:52] <bazhang> so the issue is the burning iso to usb
[01:52] <bazhang> thats often the case
[01:52] <mingdao> hey, that's not how I made the flash drive
[01:53] <bazhang> especially with alpha 2 software
[01:53] <mingdao> it was some instructions for using gnome disks or some such, not dd
[01:53] <mingdao> is the image bootable if you just use dd?
[01:54] <bazhang> no matter the method, those sometimes take more than the once, particurly with just enter alpha 2
[01:54] <mingdao> I used the instructions here http://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-create-bootable-usb-drive/
[01:54] <mingdao> first time I even fired up that app; been using Gnome3 for 2+ years
[01:54] <mingdao> looking now for a later released version
[01:54] <bazhang> I never used dd, got the full on working usb installer, 17.10 has been near flawless since
[01:54] <mingdao> I don't mind bleeing edge
[01:55] <bazhang> a couple of minor hiccups
[01:55] <mingdao> I worked on the Slackware Project for 7 years before moving on to Gentoo
[01:55] <mingdao> and for the last 2 years on Funtoo almost exclusively
[01:55] <mingdao> so it's not my first rodeo
[01:56] <mingdao> Debian was installed on this little mSATA until yesterday when I started trying Ubuntu
[01:56] <mingdao> first time since I got this laptop in March 2014 that I've had a 3200x1800 16:9 desktop
[01:56] <mingdao> nice, but, had to change that to 1920x1080
[01:58] <bazhang> mingdao, rodeo or not, alpha is whole new ballgame, expect breakage, often severe
[01:59] <mingdao> no worries
[01:59] <mingdao> I run ~arch Gentoo
[02:00] <mingdao> you don't get much more breakage than that
[02:00] <mingdao> I'm just rather allergic to gooeys that hide what's happening ;)
[02:01] <mingdao> just finished up work on gnome-3.24 with elogind; no systemd, no consolekit
[02:01] <mingdao> so there are a lot of pieces on the floor around here
[02:03] <bazhang> mingdao, you did this prior or after the install
[02:06] <mingdao> what is this?
[02:06] <bazhang> gnome-3.24 with elogind; no systemd, no consolekit
[02:07] <bazhang> is that related to what we are doing here
[02:07] <mingdao> really?
[02:07] <mingdao> I'm sorry, I thought you were a developer for some reason
[02:07] <bazhang> I have no idea why you posted that
[02:08] <mingdao> maybe I'm confusing you with someone else
[02:08] <bazhang> we were trying to get you a fully working install
[02:08] <mingdao> nvm
[02:08] <mingdao> I'm working on it now
[02:08] <mingdao> it's installed, and running
[02:18] <mingdao> how to learn from "apt-get <command>", or some other way, which is the lastest available nvidia driver?
[02:18] <mingdao> issued "apt-get" but I don't see it there
[02:18] <bazhang> mingdao, if you want more direct contact with developers, join the artful mailing list
[02:18] <mingdao> right now I just want to get some stuff ready to use this at work tomorrow
[02:19] <mingdao> am a simple man
[02:19] <mingdao> was that your answer to my last question?
[02:19] <bazhang> nopers
[02:22] <mingdao> do you know the answer?
[02:23] <bazhang> to find the current nivida drivers for you machine
[02:23] <mingdao> yes
[02:23] <bazhang> what is the card
[02:24] <mingdao> NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 750M] (rev a1)
[02:24] <mingdao> also has the Intel ofc
[02:34] <Bashing-om> mingdao: kabylake for Intel ?
[02:35] <mingdao> Skylake
[02:35] <mingdao> also my wired NIC didn't load
[02:40] <Bashing-om> mingdao: kabylake see: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364663 .
[03:27] <mingdao> Bashing-om: me Skylake
[03:28] <mingdao> yes, I've had this one since March 2014
[03:28] <mingdao> not affected
[03:28] <mingdao> my Thinkpad P50, I'm not sure about
[03:28] <mingdao> but thanks
[03:28] <mingdao> I'll read the report you posted; might be different than the one from Debian I previously read
[03:29] <mingdao> nouveau is working okay
[03:29] <mingdao> if nouveau/intel are fine for 2 external screens, I'm good
[03:33] <mingdao> wondering why e1000e didn't load
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-needs-your-help-to-finalize-the-unity-to-gnome-shell-transition-517331.shtml
[08:55] <sary> reporting bugs in 17.10 concerns #ubuntu+1 , -devel , or both!
[08:58] <sary> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/1709572
[08:58] <sary> this just happened.
[11:23] <flocculant> sary: confirmed that bug
[11:32] <sary> flocculant: Okay!
[11:32] <sary> Yep, just received and e-mail confomation. Thanks!
[11:33] <flocculant> downgrading to previous version and it works
[11:39] <sary> flocculant: feel free to add that as a comment to the bug.
[11:39] <flocculant> sary: missing gir1.2-secret-1 - person who deals with that package will be aware when online
[11:40] <sary> So they wrill be notifed to the bug..
[11:41] <flocculant> that and I pinged them elsewhere
[11:42] <sary> Nice!
[12:02] <mingdao> since I'm new to ubuntu, is running "apt-get changelog system-config-printer" in a vt an easy way to learn when the pkg is updated?
[13:04] <tsimonq2> mingdao: I would suggest apt-listchanges
[13:05] <tsimonq2> mingdao: Whenever you run apt dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade (they recommend you use apt, not apt-get) it will show you the changelogs
[13:05] <tsimonq2> mingdao: You just first have to configure it by running sudo dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
[15:05] <mingdao> tsimonq2: thanks
[15:40] <flocculant> sary: and fixed
[16:02] <sary> flocculant: Yes, the bug  was fixed in the package system-config-printer -1.5.9+20170804-0ubuntu2 Fix Committed => Fix Released by Till Kamppeter .
[22:10] <Guest46914> libreoffice 5.4 has been in debian unstable for 12 days, and debian import freeze isn't until 2017-08-24, so will it be imported for 17.10?
[22:16] <nacc> Guest46914: libreoffice has a delta, so it needs to be merged by someon to update it.
[22:24] <Guest46914> nacc: any chance someone is on that?
[22:25] <nacc> Guest46914: not sure, you'd need to ask the desktop team
[22:26] <Guest46914> :/
[22:38] <valorie> Guest46914: best bet is to file a bug on launchpad noting the above
[22:38] <valorie> the desktop team is very stretched and that is the most efficient
[22:39] <Guest46914> they already responded.
[22:39] <valorie> excellent


[00:00] <Colos> bprompt thank you so much for all your help and guiding me. it was a big help, saved me days of suffer :) i guess i will stick to the kde 4x for a while and tryy to customise it with alternative file manager etc
[00:00] <Colos> Cu mate! and thanks again!
[00:00] <bprompt> np
[00:01] <OfficerWagStaff> I think I have decent setup
[00:01] <bprompt> Colos:    and if you don't like kwin, you can always check for other "window managers", some are fancy, some are more minimalistic
[00:01] <OfficerWagStaff> Sysinfo for 'lhorace-desktop': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.2.2 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-28-generic, CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G at 3100 MHz, RAM: 3417/5849 MB, Storage: 140/455 GB, 220 procs, 2.51h up
[00:06] <yugdrix> hi guys
[00:07] <soee_> hiho yugdrix
[00:39] <austin6598> can i make kubuntu a live usb?
[00:42] <OfficerWagStaff> Kubuntu just crash again
[01:17] <CyberGlo> hi, how do i turn on trim for my ssd ?
[02:06] <Agssz> hello
[02:16] <jacob_> hello
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:39] <future_> the upcoming new version of UBUNTU/KUBUNTU ... what REFORMS are planned, are they fundamental?
[08:39] <future_> where can I find information about that?
[08:55] <future_> the upcoming new version of UBUNTU/KUBUNTU ... what REFORMS are planned, are they fundamental?
[08:55] <future_> where can I find information about that?
[10:27] <napoleaoV> hello, I am using Kubuntu with plasma5.4, my computer is a laptop, when using the laptop everything looks fine, but when connecting to my external monitor (samsung) the fonts dont look correct, any idea what could be?
[10:43] <bcrazy> hi
[10:44] <bcrazy> First time using IRC for me.
[10:44] <anna`> napoleaoV: how does plasma 5.2 look on 15.04 ?
[10:45] <anna`> bcrazy: i highly recommend you stop now, i joined once; that was 15+ years ago
[10:45] <anna`> Shit be like crack 'yo
[10:46] <KSX> bcrazy, welcome to IRC!
[10:47] <anna`> Don't encourage them!
[10:47] <bcrazy> KSX. Thanks. Still a little bit confuse on how to find the room which interest me.
[10:47] <anna`> Try /list but some set +i invisible
[10:47] <lordievader> !alis | bcrazy
[10:48] <bcrazy> Oh thanks
[10:50] <KSX> bcrazy, http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/irc-is-back-heres-your-starter-guide--net-31369
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:58] <Okitain> BluesKaj: heya
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi Okitain
[11:38] <napoleaoV> anna` looks great, but few bugs, so I did upgrade to 5.4
[11:49] <wisse> Hi, trying to install kubuntu on an old Vista machine. Windows 10 is already running, but I dont succeed in installing any distro. Tried Mint, Debian, Kubuntu, Lubuntu...something stalls the installation...
[11:49] <wisse> kernel panic
[11:52] <anna`> i would look at AHCI/RAID/ATA in BIOS
[11:52] <BluesKaj> wisse, does the live-cd/dvd  run the OS if you choose "try kubuntu" ?
[11:52] <wisse> yes
[11:53] <Okitain> wisse: have you tried reading on what the kernel panic is caused by?
[11:54] <wisse> Itś something about Corrupt CPU or something. But I will try to find out the exact message...
[11:55] <wisse> Ill have to try Mint again caus thatś the only one whos dropping me back in a shell, the otherones just stall
[11:57] <BluesKaj> wisse, at what point do you get the kernel panic ?
[12:00] <wisse> its pretty random. sometimes installing seems to succeed but then suddenly gets terminated,
[12:02] <Okitain> wisse: what architecture is the machine and the Win10 installation?
[12:02] <wisse> ill first try to reconstruct the exact kernel panic message...guess that will make it easier to deteminate the problem...
[12:02] <wisse> ill be back :o)
[12:03] <Okitain> (your CPU might be indeed faulty so you can maybe avoid the corrupt instructions by using a different instruction set, wisse)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> hmm, windows 10 might be difficult to run on corrupt cpu, don't you think ?
[12:05] <wisse> thought so too
[12:06] <BluesKaj> wisse, have you prepartitioned the drive with ext4 ready to accept a Linux install?
[12:06] <Okitain> Well, win10 might be x86 and kubuntu might be x86_64 so kubuntu would crash while win10 wouldn't, BluesKaj
[12:08] <wisse> yep, ext4...
[12:08] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:08] <wisse> all distros i tried were 32-bit
[12:09] <BluesKaj> and your windows 10?
[12:09] <wisse> also
[12:09] <BluesKaj> what about your system architecture, assume it's 32bit?
[12:10] <wisse> yes
[12:11] <Okitain> wisse: is it an Atom or something? By 2006 Intel didn't actually make any 32 bit CPU
[12:11] <BluesKaj> or was the machine a 64bit with with 32bit vista originally ...wife
[12:11] <BluesKaj> has one
[12:15] <BluesKaj> wisse, boot into windows 10, look at computer properties , it will the show the true architecture of your system
[12:15] <wisse> ok, checking
[12:16] <wisse> crap, its updating...
[12:17] <BluesKaj> some 64 bit computers came with 32 bit Windows Vista back then, the wife bought one by mistake, she was tricked by the 64 bit logo on it
[12:19] <wisse> hmm, seems to be a 32bits OS with x64 processor...
[12:20] <BluesKaj> then you have a 64bit pc
[12:20] <wisse> got tricked to i guess
[12:21] <wisse> so installing a 64 bit distro should work then?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> but that doesn't really explain the kernel panic, the 32 bit OS should run fine on it
[12:22] <wisse> im going to initiate the panic right now...
[12:22] <BluesKaj> yes 64 bit will take advantage of memory above 4G for one advantage
[12:24] <Okitain> ...and also occasionally eat 2x more memory...
[12:25] <BluesKaj> wisse, have you added meneory to your pc?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> err memory even?
[12:26] <Okitain> we are throwing stuff at the wall here to see what sticks
[12:27] <kahbenya> hey
[12:27] <kahbenya> when i run "qdbus org.kde.kglobalaccel"
[12:27] <kahbenya> i get the following error
[12:27] <kahbenya> Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
[12:27] <kahbenya> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[12:28] <kahbenya> I get a similar error if i run kwin_x11 --replace
[12:28] <kahbenya> system says did not receive a reply from "kwin"
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Okitain, it's hard to know what causes kernel panic without  looking at the logs if that's even possible
[12:29] <kahbenya> when I start up and login the screen is black and then the desktop shows up after maybe 1/2 hour to an hour
[12:29] <kahbenya> any ideas
[12:29] <kahbenya> ?
[12:29] <wisse> it says Hardware Error Machine check Processor context corrupt....
[12:30] <Gd_> I want to install kubuntu
[12:30] <wisse> kernel panic - not syncing: fatal machine check
[12:30] <Gd_> Please help
[12:31] <Okitain> Gd_: do official instruction not help you? ask concrete questions please.
[12:32] <Gd_> I  Installed it from lubuntu terminal
[12:32] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, which graphics card?
[12:32] <kahbenya> nvidia
[12:32] <Gd_> But it is not running
[12:32] <kahbenya> Geforce gtx 650 ti
[12:32] <BluesKaj> nvidia what?
[12:34] <Okitain> Gd_: have you run dpkg-reconfigure sddm (or kdm if you have kde4)
[12:37] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, drop to a VT/TTY and login then update and upgrade , then sudo apt install nvidia-355, then reboot
[12:41] <BluesKaj> wisse, dunno if 64bit will work , but it's worth a try
[12:42] <napoleaoV> any ideas why my kubuntu looks different regarding fonts when using a external monitor?(using the laptop screen logs great)
[12:42] <napoleaoV> looks even
[12:45] <wisse> BluesKaj; I guess its worth the try...
[12:52] <kahbenya> had to move to another machine
[12:52] <kahbenya> did not install nvidia-355
[12:52] <kahbenya> package not present
[12:52] <kahbenya> installed nvidia-346
[12:52] <kahbenya> going to reboot now
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:03] <RavindraSisodia> hi
[13:07] <Okitain> Anyone have this problem that KDE trash doesn't allow to clean itself while in filemanager?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, i assumed you were running 15.04, the 355 driver should be available.
[13:12] <kahbenya> i am on 15.04
[13:12] <kahbenya> apt-cache search nvidia
[13:12] <kahbenya> no nvidia-355 in the list
[13:13] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, the same behaviour as described is still present
[13:13] <kahbenya> dropped to a tty and ran startx
[13:13] <kahbenya> seeing a black screen with mouse pointer and nothing else
[13:13] <kahbenya> on reboot login screen did not come up
[13:14] <mafaldo> kahbenya, try alt + space
[13:14] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, ok , in the VT, sudo systemctl enable sddm, then startx
[13:18] <kahbenya> mafaldo, nothing happens
[13:18] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, the same thing happens
[13:18] <kahbenya> black screen with cursor
[13:21] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, perhaps a regression to the 340 driver, but otherwise I have no clue unless you haven't rebooted
[13:21] <kahbenya> i have rebooted
[13:22] <kahbenya> i noticed that if i login at the tty as another user and run startx the desktop comes up
[13:22] <kahbenya> noticed an issue with the clock display but nothing else in the experience is an issue
[13:22] <kahbenya> my main profile however has to wait for a long time to come up
[13:24] <kahbenya> in .xsession-errors I have this message " failed to get dbus path for component "kwin" QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply", "Did not receinve a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[13:25] <BluesKaj> then you obviously need to change some setttings in your main profile,  kah
[13:25] <BluesKaj> kahbenya,^
[13:25] <kahbenya> i get a similar message for "khtokeys"
[13:25] <kahbenya> alright
[13:25] <kahbenya> which settings ?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> most likely your desktop effects or monitor/display
[13:28] <oozak> seems like a dbus problem
[13:29] <kahbenya> oozak, is there a way to trouble shoot it
[13:30] <kahbenya> BlueKaj, i have looked in the .kde folder but i am not sure which files to look at
[13:30] <oozak> which version of KDE are you running?
[13:30] <kahbenya> as oozak said it seems to be an issue with dbus, but i dont know which files to check
[13:31] <kahbenya> kdelibs-bin 4:4.14.8-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1
[13:33] <kahbenya> kwin-x11 4:5.3.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1
[13:36] <BluesKaj> which ppa is that from ?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> I don't know whether it's  adbus thing or not, the plasma 5 dektop has a lot of problems integrating with kde4 Qt4 and 5 in my experience. You can try to rm -rf ~/.kde in your original profile , but to me that's a bit drastic
[13:37] <kahbenya> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kbuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu vivid main
[13:37] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, renamed the ~/.kde and still had the same issue on main profile
[13:45] <boys> boys I want to change resolution of my secondary monitor, it's fucked up, tried like 5 distros so far my resolution was always messed up, maximum is like 1300xsomething and supported is 1680x1050 that's all, I don't know why this shit happens, it's connected through VGA / DVI connector, it's like DVI-D or something, my secondary monitor does not support DVI it's through VGA, it's an old monitor, unlike my main DVI monitor
[14:00] <BluesKaj> boys please watch your langauge first of all. Now what kind of gpu are you running into what type of monitors?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kahbenya, think perhaps a regreesion to the 340 driver might be worth a try
[14:02] <boys> BluesKaj: nvidia
[14:03] <kahbenya> BluesKaj
[14:03] <kahbenya> alrite
[14:03] <kahbenya> will try
[14:05] <BluesKaj> boys, if the nvidia driver detects an old monitor the resolution it gives the monitor is determined by it's capabilities
[14:15] <kahbenya> boy, i had a similar issue , i used nvidia-settings to create a xorg.conf with the current settings and then edited the section for the older monitor to increase the vertrefresh to 56.0 - 76.0 and then rebooted
[14:15] <kahbenya> this works
[14:16] <kahbenya> i have in the past added a metamodes option to include the resolution i need but havent done that in recent times
[14:16] <kahbenya> maybe you could try that
[14:16] <Okitain> Can anyone check this bug I have?
[14:24] <akik> back in the day the configuration was totally manual with modelines
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Okitain, i just enable the delete option in dolphin>settings>configure dolphin>services if I have problems wih trash. Sorry,but I can't reproduce your issue , but you could check in /var/log/syslog for errors related to dolphin trash
[14:25] <akik> there's still tools to create those modelines, gtf and cvt
[14:26] <kahbenya> BluesKaj, regression does not work
[14:26] <kahbenya> where are the logs for dbus
[14:27] <BluesKaj>  /var/log/syslog most likely
[14:27] <kahbenya> havent seen anything useful there
[14:28] <BluesKaj> maybe the xorg log then
[14:31] <Okitain> BluesKaj: wait so in your case the clean action in trash in dolphin works?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:31] <Okitain> BluesKaj: huh. I'll try in live and see what changes.
[14:38] <yossarianuk> hi - in Kubuntu 15.04/15.10 by default the GTK3(I think) theme is not functional - i.e you canot see when buttons/checkboxes are.
[14:39] <yossarianuk> I have tried  orion + oxygen-gtk - if you are not aware where the buttons are in some apps you just cannot see them
[14:39] <yossarianuk> if I select gtk3 theme -> default I can.
[14:39] <yossarianuk> why is this - is there a fix ?
[14:47] <anna`> i've experienced the tick boxes issue too
[14:47] <anna`> Bit frustrating
[14:56] <TJ-> There is a similar theme issue with standard KDE themes too, on 15.10. When the dark theme is selected the entries in list boxes are painted white-on-white. The only entries visible are those selected
[14:57] <yossarianuk> well choosing 'default' does sort it.
[14:58] <yossarianuk> how come it happens in kde though and not other desktops?
[14:59] <TJ-> It sounds like the colour settings are incorrect/incomplete
[15:00] <yossarianuk> is there an existing open bug on this?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> over half of the the desktop themes I installed in 15.10 aren't listed
[15:10] <BluesKaj> same for colour themes
[15:15] <RavindraSisodia> Am i connected
[15:16] <RavindraSisodia> ????
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ralsina, yes
[15:17] <BluesKaj> oops not now
[15:23] <Okitain> Well someone didn't have a good opportunity to talk
[15:27] <BluesKaj> couldn't wait more the 2 mins for an answer
[15:27] <BluesKaj> the=than
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the era of instant gratification
[15:28] <droogel__> anyone know of a channel concerned with mp3 file format/specification. Can't find one anywhere?
[18:06] <Knight80> Hello everyone
[18:12] <finetundra__> hello Knight80
[18:13] <Knight80> finetundra__ How are you?
[18:13] <finetundra__> I am well friend, and yourself?
[18:13] <Knight80> I'm fine, thank you :)
[18:14] <Knight80> I need some help, I installed Konsole on my Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 and I need to activate sound notifications, but they don't work...
[18:14] <finetundra__> Hmm, sadly I've no experience there
[18:15] <Knight80> Don't worry :)
[18:21] <Kyzen> test
[18:22] <finetundra__> Kyzen: hello
[18:23] <Kyzen> Hi
[19:03] <krise> i paired my sony wireless headset with my laptop (bluetooth) but the sound quality is really bad. Does anyone know what might be the problem
[19:34] <DDR> Hi. How do I run a script from a TTY (ctrl-alt-1) with my graphical x server (ctrl-alt-7) as the target?
[19:34] <DDR> Plasma took a dive, and I have a script called 'restart-plasma.sh'. But I don't have an open terminal here, so I can't run it.
[19:36] <yossarianuk> hi - do people here generally enable preload for their desktops?
[19:40] <DDR> ?
[19:41] <DDR> (What's preload.)
[19:46] <Okitain> yossarianuk: preload what? LD_PRELOAD?
[19:49] <Knight80> Hello everyone
[19:50] <Knight80> I'm on Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 and sound isn't working since I installed Konsole terminal emulator
[19:50] <Knight80> Will you please help me out?
[19:52] <soee_> Knight80: maybe it is better to ask on #ubuntu
[19:56] <DDR> When I enable drag-window-to-move-virtual-desktop, all my window decorations go away and I can't raise or lower windows.
[19:57] <DDR> Does anyone have any ideas? It's kind of bizarre.
[19:57] <DDR> Selecting 'move to desktop' from the window titlebar right-click menu works just fine.
[20:04] <frecel> ahoneybun: just checked the news after not having access to the internet for a few days, congrats on getting on the council
[20:04] <Unit193> You misspelled 'condolences'
[20:08] <frecel> Unit193: haha he should be fine as long as they are not talking about money
[20:16] <frecel> Is anyone here using 15.10?
[20:25] <ahoneybun> thanks frecel
[20:25] <ahoneybun> I am btw
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Unit193: :P
[20:25] <KSX> <---
[20:26] <soee_> frecel: yes
[20:27] <frecel> soee_: I'm wondering if I should move my office desktop to 15.10, it's running KDE4 on top of Debian right now
[20:27] <soee_> frecel: hard to say, i would say tets Plasma 5 first than decide
[20:28] <soee_> some people loves Plasma 5 some prefere KDE 4
[20:29] <soee_> i love Plasma 5 and have it now on my laptop, PC @ work and also my parents use it on their :)
[20:30] <frecel> soee_: I really liked plasma5 when I tried it but there were few bugs in there that made me decide that I don't want to use it on the machine I actually work on
[20:31] <soee_> frecel: what bugs ?
[20:31] <frecel> soee_: if compositing was on I would see a black screen with a pointer on it
[20:32] <frecel> soee_: with compositing off it worked fine
[20:32] <frecel> soee_: the drivers were working btw. I played games on that machine
[20:35] <ahoneybun> I would stick with the LTS or Debian for a office pc atm
[20:39] <frecel> I kind of want to use the LTS but then I look at when the repos were frozen and then I don't anymore
[20:43] <KSX> guys, what ssd would you recommend for kubuntu?
[20:43] <KSX> or linux in general
[20:46] <Okitain> KSX: it's not rocket science, just get an SSD with a good size and reliability.
[20:47] <KSX> k, but ssds have different firmware and stuff....
[20:47] <soee_> KSX: hard to say - depends how much you can spend :)
[20:47] <soee_> i have crucial
[20:47] <Okitain> TRIM commands are issued automatically for Ext4 and BtrFS
[20:48] <Okitain> KSX: every SSD that has a SATA port works, really
[20:48] <KSX> ok
[20:50] <Okitain> KSX: also see: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Pre-Purchase_Considerations
[20:50] <Okitain> and the rest for how to enable the auto-TRIM commands or trim-by-timer
[20:51] <KSX> k, thx
[21:53] <jakesyl>  Hey, I'm setting up a vagrant box,  how can I remap a domain (like wordpress.dev to a local private ip)
[21:56] <ikonia> jakesyl: best thing is to not cross post to multiple channels
[23:12] <BadConnection> Hello. I'm really new to kubuntu, how can I select multiple desktop icons/files or select one and move its position?
[23:12] <BadConnection> I'm a windows converter, maybe. If I can figure out how to navigate kde
[23:14] <bprompt> BadConnection:     do what again?
[23:14] <ahoneybun> Ctrl + Left Click?
[23:15] <bprompt> ohhh hmmm yeah
[23:15] <BadConnection> Thanks
[23:15] <bprompt> BadConnection:    same thing in kwin, just drag, for multiple selection, drag your mouse making a square, selecting what you want, or just ctrl-click
[23:15] <BadConnection> What is the Windows+D equiv for going to desktop?
[23:16] <bprompt> BadConnection:    try winkey-D :P
[23:16] <BadConnection> doesnt work
[23:16] <BadConnection> Im on kubuntu 15.04
[23:16] <bprompt> hmmm ohh .. kwin doens't have it mapped... min window manager does
[23:17] <bprompt> BadConnection:    I run 12.04... but you can map the shortcuts in kwin, so  you can just map it to winkey-D as well.... not sure where 15.04 would have it, I'd think in settings
[23:17] <bprompt> I use another window manager, and have it mapped already to winkey-d
[23:18] <BadConnection> 15.04 is *really* different
[23:18] <BadConnection> I think it's more plasma5 than kde
[23:19] <ahoneybun> if you put the Desktop Widget in the panel and put Win + D for the shortcut maybe
[23:19] <ahoneybun> well it's KDE Plasma 5
[23:19] <ahoneybun> still KDE
[23:19] <bprompt> BadConnection:     we're in september, btw, meaning next month is october, or the "10" month, meaning 15.10 is about 30days away
[23:19] <BadConnection> ok
[23:19] <BadConnection> i feel so lost on this os right now
[23:19] <ahoneybun> 41 days
[23:20] <ahoneybun> Oct 22
[23:20] <ahoneybun> opps
[23:20] <bprompt> yeah... as ahoneybun  suggested, use the desktop widget, and set a shortcut on it
[23:20] <ahoneybun> 39
[23:20] <bprompt> ahoneybun:    well, 38 if  you're in australia =P
[23:21] <ahoneybun> yea timezones
[23:23] <bprompt> BadConnection:     not sure on 15.04... but usually you can just right-click the "K" start menu in kde, and choose "use classic style" or classic menu, from the right-click, it'd list all apps in their categories vertically, like the start menu
[23:24] <BadConnection> bprompt:  thanks, it does
[23:24] <ahoneybun> unlock the widgets on the far right of the panel and right click the k logo to switch launcher styles
[23:24] <ahoneybun> alters
[23:24] <BadConnection> though i can't set the windows key as a shortcut, it reads it as 'meta' and doesn't stick it
[23:24] <ahoneybun> odd
[23:24] <ahoneybun> meta needs a add
[23:24] <ahoneybun> like meta + d
[23:24] <ahoneybun> would be Win + D
[23:24] <BadConnection> Yes
[23:24] <ahoneybun> a modifier
[23:25] <bprompt> BadConnection:     ahoneybun  means, do "meta + d"
[23:25] <BadConnection> but to open start menu right now it's alt+f1 and I can't change it to win key or win key+s either
[23:26] <ahoneybun> yea the meta key (windows key) can't do anything on its own
[23:26] <bprompt> BadConnection:      hmmm  System Settings has a section for "Gestures and Shortcuts", you can set, about 3 types of shortcuts, customs, globals,  and standard keyboard's
[23:26] <ahoneybun> well alt + f2 is the krunner
[23:26] <ahoneybun> in Plasma 5 it is just Shortcuts
[23:26] <bprompt> k
[23:27] <bprompt> BadConnection:   if the "show desktop" is thereabouts, you can just edit it there, to meta + d
[23:31] <BadConnection> under global shortcuts?
[23:32] <bprompt> BadConnection:    IF it's there, I checked on mine, and it isn't, but this one is 12.04
[23:32] <BadConnection> isn't on mine either
[23:33] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: your looking for the Desktop shortcut right?
[23:34] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: http://imgur.com/NMN3EmG
[23:35] <BadConnection> mine isn't there
[23:35] <BadConnection> i got it set though
[23:35] <BadConnection> i still can't select multiple desktop items though
[23:39] <bprompt> BadConnection:     hmm is it launching apps on single-click?'
[23:40] <bprompt> BadConnection:    for you can change that at System Settings > Input Devices > mouse
[23:40] <MichaelTunnell> I have an opinion based somewhat philosophical question for Kubuntu community.
[23:40] <MichaelTunnell> Do you consider Kubuntu a different OS than Ubuntu? I know it is a flavor but do you consider it more than just package differences?
[23:40] <BadConnection> I do now
[23:41] <MichaelTunnell> I dont mean in terms of having Plasma 5 to be clear...I mean Ubuntu vs Kubuntu are they different distros to you?
[23:41] <ahoneybun> MichaelTunnell: we bring a great community exp as well as packages
[23:41] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:    ... no myself, it's just ubuntu with kde in it, is all
[23:42] <BadConnection> so odd
[23:42] <BadConnection> I can draw the 'square' in dolphin file manager fine but not on the desktop
[23:42] <BadConnection> bprompt:  thanks, i got the single click to open turned off :)
[23:43] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:     I use kubuntu because I use many QT and kde apps, and kde includes that, otherwise I'd have installed ubuntu and then installed kde and qt anyway, just like I have on say.. SuSE or Fedora and mandrake
[23:43] <MichaelTunnell> bprompt: I get that I am thinking in the idea of Distro vs Flavor
[23:43] <bprompt> BadConnection:   k...now you can just ctrl-click then, you can also just drag the mouse to make a square and select, whatever on the square, same behaviour as in windows explorer
[23:43] <MichaelTunnell> fundamentally Linux Mint and Kubuntu are the same at the lower levels the only true difference is that Mint is not an official flavor where as Kubuntu is so Mint is considered a separate distro.
[23:44] <BadConnection> bprompt: no, i still can't.
[23:44] <BadConnection> still can't make a square on the desktop
[23:44] <MichaelTunnell> I dont mean differences such as KDE, I mean differences on the core such as package management kernel versions and etc
[23:44] <ahoneybun> Mint developers it's own fork on GNOME as well
[23:45] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:   right.. Mint is a fork of ubuntu, but is a fork not maintained by say Canonical, and that's the only differentiating, no the core distribution
[23:46] <MichaelTunnell> Kubuntu is not technically maintained by Canonical though. Mint also uses Ubuntu repos and dont just fork everything
[23:46] <MichaelTunnell> Ubuntu forks Debian almost completely with snapshots...but Mint doesnt and neither does Kubuntu
[23:47] <BadConnection> i guess i'll just use dolphin to select multiple files
[23:47] <BadConnection> such a bad bad bad bad design choice
[23:47] <bprompt> hmm
[23:47] <MichaelTunnell> here is why I am asking. When you go to a project to see if they support Linux, do you prefer to have Kubuntu listed in the support or is Ubuntu enough. I know Ubuntu is enough technically but I mean purely preference, would you like to see Kubuntu listed?
[23:48] <ahoneybun> I like to see Linux in general
[23:49] <ahoneybun> I like ubuntu and even more so Kubuntu but let's get support for Linux in general
[23:49] <bprompt> BadConnection:      well... bear in mind that, there are many window managers, the one you're referring about the icons, is Kwin, now, I do run kde, I do not run kwin... well, now and then I do, and I don't have that, I'd think  it's just some setting there, I run LXDE and I don't have any of those issues, and lxde maps winkey-d already to show the desktop as well.... so you're referring not to kde itself, so much as to the kde wind
[23:49] <BadConnection> Such a weird OS. I can make a shortcut on the desktop by dragging a file from dolphin to the desktop then right click on the icon on the desktop and set a keyboard short cut to launch it, but I can't go to the file the shortcut points to and do the same thing...
[23:49] <ahoneybun> BadConnection: you can put whatever you want on the deksop
[23:49] <ahoneybun> *desktop
[23:50] <BadConnection> bprompt:  thanks
[23:50] <BadConnection> ahoneybun: yeah, that's not what i'm struggling with
[23:50] <BadConnection> I can add icons to my desktop just fine, i can't select multiple icons on the desktop
[23:50] <BadConnection> thats the issue
[23:50] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:     kinda got lost there... w00t?    if I have a .. say webdev project, and need to do... something, I use whatever works, it doesn't have to be ubuntu, support or otherwise, it depends on what I need done
[23:50] <BadConnection> i can not fraw a 'square' with my mouse
[23:51] <MichaelTunnell> I'll be more specific then
[23:51] <BadConnection> i may need to switch to LXDE
[23:52] <ahoneybun> MichaelTunnell: since this topic is not really support related perhaps move it to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[23:52] <BadConnection> why the F would anyone ever make a system where you can't draw a square on your desktop by default.... so frustrating.
[23:52] <bprompt> MichaelTunnell:    good example of that I assume is say, Zuckerberg, due to licensing and other software and hardware considerations, went with centOS for facebook
[23:53] <ahoneybun> draw a square?
[23:53] <ahoneybun> highlight items?
[23:54] <bprompt> ahoneybun:     draw a square, drag the mouse in a square on the desktop to select icons/elements
[23:54] <bprompt> I'm pretty sure I've done it in kwin
[23:55] <austin6598> my kubuntu gets stuck at the boot logo so i made a live usb and it also gets stuck booting. it works on my laptop however. this PC does boot to USB's. Also im trying the latest version of kubuntu 15.04
[23:55] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: of course you can
[23:55] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: right click your desktop and choose the bottom option "Desktop Settings"
[23:55] <MichaelTunnell> or it might say something else but Settings for something :)
[23:55] <bprompt> austin6598:   hmmm how fast is the cpu on the desktop one?
[23:56] <ahoneybun> bprompt: BadConnection I keep  my desktop clean so
[23:56] <austin6598> 3.2ghz
[23:56] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure about highlighing
[23:56] <BadConnection> AHHHH
[23:56] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: you will see a Layout selector, in this dropdown choose "Folder"
[23:56] <BadConnection> ^
[23:56] <BadConnection> THANK YOU
[23:56] <bprompt> austin6598:    3.2ghz... dual-core? i3? i5?i7? amd?
[23:56] <austin6598> its more powerful than the laptop, give me a sec
[23:57] <BadConnection> now if i could just get a custom shortcut set to open SoundNODE I'll be much happier
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: welcome, KDE is kind of confusing at times because you can do so much...it is kind of like a double edged sword...you can do so much so it is cool but it can get confusing where stuff is to do
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: so LETS DO THIS!
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> BadConnection: wait, what is that?
[23:57] <bprompt> austin6598:    anyhow.... is a newer computer. if it's not booting usb devices, meaning that safeboot is ON and... you may want to disable it first, go to bios and disable safeboot and enable "Legacy CSM" mode, then boot with the usb stick
[23:57] <MichaelTunnell> we can do it but what is that
[23:58] <BadConnection> http://www.soundnodeapp.com/
[23:59] <bprompt> austin6598:    short from that, the "stuck" part of the livusb, you can always just press F6 at the splash screen, and disable acpi   and apm, and try to booting to it
[23:59] <austin6598> heres the pc: http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02628380
[23:59] <austin6598> just control + f amd and you will see the cpu


[14:28] <cyphermox> ScottL: I saw your comment on bug 901945; what changes are being done to networking?
[14:39] <astraljava> cyphermox: The OP speaks about the icon not even showing, which is understandable, as no NetworkManager is installed in precise, yet. Thus, no nm-applet.
[14:39] <cyphermox> why would there be no NM installed?
[14:39] <astraljava> cyphermox: However, Xubuntu does install it, and I believe scott-work | ScottL meant that we might include it in the future.
[14:40] <cyphermox> ok
[14:40] <astraljava> cyphermox: In the past people thought it hindered the real-time capability.
[14:40] <cyphermox> oh, right, it wasn't in the seed or something
[14:40] <astraljava> cyphermox: I think it needs to be tested whether it still does.
[14:40] <cyphermox> now I remember and get it, sorry, I got confused :)
[14:40] <astraljava> np
[14:40] <cyphermox> astraljava: thanks
[14:40] <astraljava> You're welcome.
[14:41] <cyphermox> astraljava: I maintain NM in Ubuntu, let me know if it happens to be an issue for real-time, and if you have ideas on how to fix it, I'll be happy to help out
[14:41] <astraljava> cyphermox: I don't know whether it's still an issue, but I do understand the fundamental problem.
[14:41] <cyphermox> ok
[14:42] <astraljava> cyphermox: network-manager-gnome didn't poll wireless networks periodically, thus it was chosen.
[14:43] <astraljava> cyphermox: NM does, however. Whether that remains an issue performance-wise with the processing power having risen dramatically over the past couple of years, that's another thing altogether.
[14:44] <astraljava> Personally, I'm from the school of thought that you shouldn't have networking enabled if you're doing something mission-critical, but of course, there are workflows where you _need_ network for some operations.
[14:45] <cyphermox> right
[14:45] <scott-work> astraljava: cyphermox , hi
[14:46] <cyphermox> but then wifi might not be the best choice
[14:46] <scott-work> astraljava: so what is different from what we shipped in oneiric?
[14:46]  * scott-work is looking at seeds now
[14:46] <cyphermox> and you can work around some of the issues by setting it up manually, which can let you avoid scanning (wpasupplicant settings)
[14:48] <scott-work> astraljava: oh, is this an issue derived from the transition to xfce?  meaning we had nm-applet in the gnome panel before and don't have an the applet in the panel under xfce currently?
[14:48] <scott-work> if so, then i AM fixing this currently :-D
[14:49] <astraljava> scott-work: Nothing yet. But if we wanna streamline our seeds with Xubuntu's, then I suppose we should test how NM fares in actual workflow.
[14:49] <scott-work> astraljava: i thought we were already shipping network manager with nmapplet during natty, plus onieric (which began the transition and might be "broken" too)
[14:50] <astraljava> scott-work: We [a|we]re shipping network-manager-gnome, not the one that provides NetworkManager (and thus nm-applet).
[14:50] <astraljava> scott-work: Hmm?
[14:50] <scott-work> AH
[14:50] <scott-work> yes, you are right
[14:50] <scott-work> but we moved to network manager i thought
[14:50] <scott-work> shit
[14:50] <scott-work> nevermind, it was gnome-network-admin or similar that we were shipping
[14:51] <astraljava> Sorry, I am confused.
[14:51] <astraljava> It's actually the other way around.
[14:51] <astraljava> And then it's a bug if nm-applet isn't shown.
[14:53] <scott-work> okay, in maverick we shipped gnome-network-admin:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.maverick/view/head:/desktop
[14:53] <scott-work> in natty we moved to network-manager-gnome:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natty/view/head:/desktop
[14:53] <scott-work> this was because -network-admin sucked for people using wireless (presumably on laptops)
[14:54] <astraljava> I think it wasn't wireless, but rather the PPPoE connections (or something like that).
[14:54] <scott-work> astraljava: are you saying that  network-manager-gnome does NOT pull in nmapplet?
[14:54] <astraljava> scott-work: No. It does. I was wrong.
[14:54]  * astraljava hangs head in shame
[14:54] <scott-work> lol
[14:55] <scott-work> so for natty they were both there and probably shows up in the indicator applet/plugin
[14:55] <scott-work> i don't remember for oneiric
[14:56] <scott-work> i'm going to check the build logs for precise to see if nmapplet is shipping currently
[14:56] <astraljava> It should show up in oneiric, but I am not sure whether I had to fix something on my setup, it's been ages since it was installed.
[14:59] <scott-work> is this it?  gnome-netstatus-applet
[15:00] <astraljava> It used to be /usr/bin/nm-applet, but it could be anything in precise. I haven't followed.
[15:01] <scott-work> but you say it's built by gnome-network-manager?
[15:01] <scott-work> cyphermox: does network manager build the nmapplet?
[15:01] <cyphermox> no, the source package is called network-manager-applet
[15:02] <scott-work> cyphermox: you said that "no networkmanager is shipped in precise"  can you clarify that please?
[15:02] <scott-work> i'm afraid i'm not extensibly knowledgeable about the various network managers
[15:02] <scott-work> what _should_ we be using?
[15:03] <cyphermox> there's not a huge number of options, really
[15:03] <scott-work> this is what we are currently shipping (from the seeds): gnome-netstatus-applet
[15:03] <astraljava> scott-work: No, network-manager-gnome.
[15:03] <cyphermox> what's in main, supported, etc. is network-manager/network-manager-gnome
[15:03] <scott-work> scratch what i posted last
[15:03] <scott-work> (avahi-autoipd)              # IPv4 link-local interface configuration support  15 	   * (network-manager-gnome)	# replacing gnome-network-admin due to usability  16 	  # Copied from Xubuntu  17 	   * (network-manager-pptp)  18 	   * (network-manager-pptp-gnome)
[15:03] <astraljava> scott-work: Pay attention now! :)
[15:03] <scott-work> lol
[15:04] <scott-work> okay, network-manager/network-manager-gnome :)
[15:04] <scott-work> okay, we are currently shipping network-manager-gnome
[15:04] <scott-work> cyphermox: does this pull in the applet automatically?
[15:04] <cyphermox> network-manager-gnome *is* the applet
[15:04] <astraljava> HE SHOOTS, HE SCOOOOOOREEEEESS!!!!
[15:04] <cyphermox> :)
[15:04] <scott-work> oh
[15:05] <astraljava> scott-work: dpkg -L network-manager-gnome|grep nm-applet
[15:05] <scott-work> at work on windows machine :(
[15:05] <scott-work> does the applet actually do handling of the netwrok, or just report the status?
[15:05] <astraljava> That's no excuse. Surely you have ssh connection to your home box?
[15:05] <cyphermox> it depends on network-manager, so it's kind of weird if somebody says that the icon isn't showing
[15:05] <scott-work> AH
[15:05] <cyphermox> astraljava: tbh I was expecting that the bug was really an issue with a glib change or something
[15:06] <cyphermox> (or gtk)
[15:06] <astraljava> cyphermox: Right. Well, gotta investigate over the weekend. I'll install it on another drive on my workhorse.
[15:06] <scott-work> so avahi-autoipd, network-manager-pptp-gnome, or network-manager-pptp are not a network manager?
[15:06] <scott-work> again, my ignorance is showing
[15:07] <cyphermox> astraljava: I'm still working on an update of network-manager for precise, it's waiting for an update of libnl3
[15:07] <cyphermox> once that is done I'll start fixing up NM, and then the applet
[15:08] <scott-work> looking at this it looks like we ship the same as ubuntu desktop:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~utlemming/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.precise/view/head:/desktop
[15:10] <scott-work> my original thought was that we _were_ shipping a network-manger but either were not shipping the applet or somehow had screwed up the panel to not show the applet
[15:10] <scott-work> but from what cyphermox has said it sounds like we might not be shipping a network-manager?
[15:10] <cyphermox> no, that's just what astraljava was suggesting was happening, but it clearly can't be the case
[15:11] <cyphermox> it could be *not running*, but it's a depends of nm-applet
[15:15] <scott-work> i see in launchpad that the source package "network-manager-applet" yields the "network-manager-gnome" binary - this is starting to fill in some holes for me
[15:17] <scott-work> and i see in the control file that network-admin-gnome provides the nm-applet
[15:18] <scott-work> so it would seem that since our seeds ships network-admin-gnome that we should have what we need (updates aside), is this correct cyphermox ?
[15:19] <cyphermox> because it ships network-manager-gnome; you have what you need
[15:19] <cyphermox> I'll start setting up a system with ubuntu-studio or xubuntu to give this a shot, it's very unusual
[15:20] <scott-work> thank you, both for the answers and for testing
[15:21] <astraljava> cyphermox: If you don't want to do that, give me approx. 10 hours, when I get home from company "Pikkujoulut" I can install it and report back.
[15:22] <cyphermox> astraljava: bah, no worries
[15:22] <cyphermox> seems this might actually be the installer's fault
[15:22] <scott-work> build logs show that it was put on the disc
[15:22] <cyphermox> with network, it might be writing to /etc/network/interfaces , then NM doesn't manage the interface
[15:24] <astraljava> cyphermox: That's weird. But I'll admit I have never installed using the wireless interface. Gotta give it a go, really.
[15:25] <cyphermox> aye
[15:27] <astraljava> I must admit, I'm not a very patriotic person. Finns should even hate our western neighbors like plague, but on my last.fm listing, six of my TOP 8 bands come from Sweden, with 5 first spots. Then there's one dutch band, and one norwegian.
[15:28] <scott-work> astraljava: me either, i always use desktops which are wired :/
[15:29] <astraljava> scott-work: Earlier I always used alternate installer anyway, and it's always a pain to setup the wireless with that. So I wired all laptops too.
[15:32] <scott-work> going with the live dvd later on should help with this as well, i would think. at least from a user's perspective
[15:33] <astraljava> Definitely.
[15:33] <astraljava> Ok, off to the xmas party. See ya later.
[21:38] <len> I just looked through the back logs with respect to NM.
[21:39] <len> US does have NM installed by default and it does work.
[21:39] <len> however, it does not work as it should because of the install process
[21:40] <len> This seems to be a problem with the alternate installs as xubuntu has the same problem.
[21:41] <len> if I install with no network connection... that is I make the network connection fail, it works as I think it should.
[21:42] <len> If during install I setup a wireless port. Then NM can't manage that port because the setup info I gave has been added to the init.d network setup.
[21:44] <len> This seems to be a problem with the base install, not UbuntuStudio.
[21:44] <len> So don't "fix" anything yet.
[22:07] <len> Ok, off to do another install and try removing wlan from init.d files.


[13:20] <JermBeatz> anyone using an apc20 or maudio oxygen25 with any apps? would love to pow wow about what works and doesnt. n00b here, so plain english please if possible
[13:59] <zequence> JermBeatz: May I recommend you to write to the Linux Audio User mail list
[13:59] <zequence> It's pretty active, and you are sure to get some replies
[13:59] <zequence> Also, try #opensourcemusicians
[14:01] <JermBeatz> thanks man, in the # now
[14:09] <zequence> np
[14:28] <danne2611> Kan du svara,Zeq
[16:06] <danne2611> Hi zequence
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