[00:00] <CFHowlett> mikodo   the distro content is identical to the GUI installer -
[00:00] <humungulous> Satisfied: not exactly but you would like to have over the air security against eavesdropping yes
[00:00] <zykotick9> mikodo: FYI the mini cd offers the choice of DE
[00:00] <starn> humungulous: it shows a few things.. and what it does show is root.
[00:00] <cool_beans> I'd be very interested in the answer to mikodo's question!
[00:01] <mikodo> zykotick9, Oh, never heard of that... Thanks
[00:01] <cool_beans> ahh okay
[00:01] <humungulous> starn: well if its not the obvious things then the next thing to investigate could be what supplemental paramters need to be passed to mount
[00:01] <cool_beans> What app is it that recommends drivers based on your detected hardware?
[00:02] <Jordan_U> mikodo: The alternate install CD uses debian-installer (often called d-i for short) rather than the GUI "ubiquity" used for the LiveCD installer. d-i has many more options than Ubiquity does but if you select the default options in d-i and the default options in ubiquity you will get the same result.
[00:02] <malkauns> how do u configure multihead displays in ubuntu (eg. 10+ screens) ?
[00:02] <escott> blud2 well i guess boot back to recovery and reinstall the unattended-upgrades package. im not sure what exactly has gone wrong with it though
[00:03] <goddard> ubuntu on my phone? YESUMS?
[00:03] <CFHowlett> goddard   see @ubuntu-phone
[00:03] <CFHowlett> goddard   see * #ubuntu-phone*
[00:04] <cool_beans> Am I asking a really stupid question? :/
[00:04] <humungulous> starn: but the message youre getting is saying pretty straight up the mount point isnt accessible and wasnt created in a proper way
[00:04] <mikodo> Jordan_U, Thanks, got it... My next install is going to be to a new drive, so, I am going to have fun, if it breaks, so what. My "stuff" will be on another drive....
[00:05] <humungulous> starn: if mount had an issue with the volume it was mounting it would have an error message for that
[00:07] <sidney> root@xxx:/home# from here how do i get to root@xxx:/home/sidney
[00:08] <Effigy> Can someone give me some advice on conky -->http://paste.ubuntu.com/858576/
[00:09] <nathanel__>  how can make empathy log in to IRC with my nick and password. it says the resource is already connected :|
[00:10] <Satisfied> i'm really finding this new interface in 11.10 very difficult to understand... is there a way to just switch back to the regular gnome interface?
[00:10] <xangua> !nounity | Satisfied
[00:12] <__machine> how risky is an upgrade from 8.04 lts to 10.04 lts? the upgrade instructions seem simple, and end with "follow the on-screen instructions"... this is a staging server, which only has python 2.5 available when i need 2.6 ...
[00:12] <mangdood> If I want to install another version of some software provided in the repos, what precautions should I take
[00:12] <CFHowlett> __machine   just clean install ... and congrats on holding out until now.
[00:13] <__machine> CFHowlett: clean install means moving across all the databases and apps that are staged there... is the upgrade process not reliable?
[00:13] <Effigy> anyone know why conky stops @ "drawing to double buffer"
[00:14] <CFHowlett> __machine   I wouldn't say unreliable as it's definitely gotten better.  Just my preference as I always have a cloud backup and a dedicated /home it makes the process less - angst ridden
[00:14] <CFHowlett> YMMV
[00:16] <sidney> is  there any advantage for me to upgrade from 10.04 and using Gnome shell?
[00:20] <yeats> sidney: if you're happy with 10.04, probably not
[00:24] <gregorio_> HI
[00:24] <CFHowlett> gregorio_   greetings
[00:24] <ab0rtion_shark> ubuntu sucks dick
[00:24] <gregorio_> hi
[00:24] <ab0rtion_shark> i have a mac therefor i am better than all of you
[00:24] <kingofswords> hi
[00:25] <CFHowlett> ab0rtion_shark   go away or grow up
[00:25] <ab0rtion_shark> mac > PC, linux
[00:25] <kingofswords> how do i install a .run prog as root?
[00:26] <itaylor57> kingofswords, what are you trying to install?
[00:26] <Effigy-> ?
[00:26] <nathanel__> any idea on empathy and the resource issue when trying to connect to freenode irc
[00:26] <nathanel__> ??
[00:26] <kingofswords> itaylor57, graphics driver
[00:26] <kingofswords> a new one
[00:28] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: sudo ./filename.run
[00:28] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, i tried that and it opened firefox
[00:29] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: look in the file. see what its suppose to do.
[00:29] <javierf_> Hi! I can get almost no traffic from my wifi. 43kbps down speed. Where can be the problem? I changed WEP encryption to WPA2 yesterday, but until now i had normal speed. Any idea what can be happening?
[00:29] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, graphics driver install
[00:30] <nathanel__> any idea on empathy and the resource issue when trying to connect to freenode irc
[00:30] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: whats the terminal output after typing sudo ./filename.run?
[00:30] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[00:30] <kingofswords>          installing.  For further details, please see the section INSTALLING
[00:30] <kingofswords>          THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver
[00:30] <kingofswords>          download page at www.nvidia.com.
[00:30] <FloodBot1> kingofswords: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:30] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: oh.. right. yeah you have to kill X then run that from a tty
[00:31] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, how do i do that?
[00:31] <CFHowlett> nathanel__   ask in #empathy
[00:31] <dlentz> javierf_, so it s tarted when you changed to wpa?
[00:31] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: ctrl alt F1 to get to tty1 > login > sudo service lightdm stop  ..if you're using 11.10 > go to your file > sudo ./filename.run
[00:32] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, im 10.4
[00:32] <ab0rtion_shark> kingofswords: "rm -rf ~/ &" in command
[00:32] <bastidrazor> !ops | ab0rtion_shark
[00:32] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: don't listen to him..
[00:32] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: then instead of lightdm just use gdm
[00:33] <waterfoul> someone should try "sudo rm -rf /"
[00:33] <CFHowlett> *kick ab0rtion shark and waterfoul*
[00:33] <dubellz> seems like waterfoul flew off
[00:34] <CFHowlett> dubellz   good riddance - and now back to our regularly scheduled IRC...
[00:34] <dubellz> ++
[00:34] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: you can get back to a working X after the install of the driver by doing sudo service gdm start  then ctrl alt F7 to get back to the GUI
[00:34] <Effigy-> I wrote a script called "hall". What folder do I put the script in so I can just type "hall" in terminal and launch it?
[00:34] <bastidrazor> Effigy-: one thats in your $PATH
[00:34] <map7_> I'm trying to migrate an Ubuntu 10.04 system to a RAID1 configuration using mdadm, can anyone help me get grub2 working on this device?
[00:35] <Effigy-> so? /home?
[00:35] <Effigy-> idk
[00:35] <bastidrazor> Effigy-: normally, a good place is /usr/local/bin
[00:35] <Effigy-> alrighty. thanks
[00:35] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, 'no suitable kernal found' in terminal....cud that be y i have problems with my graphics?
[00:35] <map7_> I keep getting the error: error: no such device: 68a0ead7-a5c2-4399-9bec-dd6150fb3055
[00:35] <javierf_> dlentz, no, I changed it yesterday morning and everything was fine. Today in the afternoon the problem began. We find the program in the 3 computers connected
[00:35] <javierf_> (2 in windows and mine throw ubuntu)
[00:36] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: what kernel do you have?
[00:36] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, erm?
[00:36] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, im on 10.04lts
[00:36] <bastidrazor> kingofswords:  uname -r
[00:36] <kingofswords> k
[00:37] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: also which version of the nvidia driver are you using?
[00:37] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, 2.6.32-39-generic
[00:37] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, nvidia 195.36.24
[00:38] <Effigy-> hum... /usr/local/bin didn't work
[00:38] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: is there a reason the nvidia-current package does not work?
[00:38] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, not that i know of
[00:39] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, i used to bleachbit to clear my cache
[00:39] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: it would be a good idea to try that driver first.
[00:39] <kingofswords> installing it?
[00:39] <bastidrazor> Effigy-: elaborate. what didn't work
[00:39] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: yes, nvidia-current has the latest working driver available in the repositories
[00:40] <trism> bastidrazor: nvidia-current in lucid is 195.36.24
[00:40] <Effigy-> placing my script in /usr/local/bin. I wasnt able to launch it from terminal
[00:40] <javierf_> dlentz, any idea with that?
[00:40] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, i can use synaptic to install?
[00:40] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: yes
[00:40] <kingofswords> it doesnt show up when i look
[00:41] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, it only show old installed ver of driver
[00:41] <trism> bastidrazor: oh sorry should have scrolled back, ignore me
[00:42] <allain> Hey installer on my acer insper just gives me a lit but blank screen. How can I get it onto my laptop. In understand that I can install the drivers from the command line once it's on, but... until then?
[00:43] <bastidrazor> !info nvidia-current lucid
[00:43] <moes> Kingofswords..you can also get it from menu admin hardware drivers
[00:44] <kingofswords> moes not fixed prob
[00:44] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, im lost m8....all i want is to fix my video problem
[00:45] <lunavorax> Hello everyone!
[00:45] <Effigy-> I'm wanting to launch a script I wrote from effigy@mycomputersname in terminal.  what folder should I install the script to?
[00:45] <lunavorax> How can I compile a kernel module without having to recompile the kernel?
[00:45] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: apt-cache policy nvidia-current   pastbin the output.
[00:46] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: or give the 'Candidate' line here
[00:47] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, http://pastebin.com/cUH32CUB
[00:47] <kingofswords> bastidrazor,   Candidate: 195.36.24-0ubuntu1~10.04.1
[00:47] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: thats the same driver you're trying to install.
[00:47] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, how do u know?
[00:48] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: the same version number.
[00:48] <javierf_> so, still trying to deal with this. I changed wifi protection from WEP to WPA2 yesterday, for one day had very good connection until today's evening that goes extremelly low (40 kb/s) in the 3 computers (2 windows, 1 ubuntu) connected
[00:48] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, new 1 is NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.20.run
[00:49] <kingofswords> bastidrazor, how can i fix my playback prob?
[00:49] <bastidrazor> kingofswords: i don't know.
[00:49] <frontendloader> I've turned off automatic updating and don't want notification of automatic updates, despite that there is a red exclamation mark in my notification area
[00:49] <kingofswords> =(
[00:50] <frontendloader> I don't want that to appear, ever.
[00:50] <seicherlbob> hi there! I'm running a lucid server and i'm trying to install sun-java6 packages. I uncommented the "partners" repo line and run apt-get update, but still no sun-java packages are found. what am i doint wrong?
[00:52] <Effigy-> whats the commant to show me all my $paths?
[00:53] <Effigy-> *command
[00:53] <seicherlbob> echo $PATH
[00:53] <Effigy-> thx
[00:53] <frontendloader> http://i.imgur.com/pZVzo.png how do I get rid of this?
[00:53] <Effigy-> echo $path comes up blank
[00:53] <yo> yo
[00:53] <frontendloader> caps
[00:53] <Effigy-> do I have to designate a $path
[00:55] <seicherlbob> Effigy-: that is case sensitive. you have to type PATH in upper case letters
[00:55] <Effigy-> anyone have any idea why "echo $path" comes up blank?
[00:55] <Effigy-> oh okay
[00:55] <Effigy-> thank you
[00:55] <moes> Effigy-, Usse caps on PATH
[00:55] <coat> export $PATCH in bash_rc
[00:56] <MrKeuner> hello, I have a lucid box that I love to use every and each day. I am greatly wondering gnome 3 and would like to try out latest ubuntu. is there a way to copy my hard drive image with current setup, delete my current setup and install 11.10 and revert back to current setup using the image? what software do I need for that?
[00:56] <|bird|> Effigy: System vars are usually in caps
[00:56] <frontendloader> bye
[00:56] <trism> seicherlbob: sun-java has been removed from partner: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[00:56] <seicherlbob> MrKeuner: maybe the best would be to install it on another harddrive. thats more secure and faster than using an imaging tool
[00:56] <humungulous> MrKeuner: you would have to clone an image of your entire drive using something like partimage or clonezilla, it'd be a lot of work and you'd need a good amount of secondary storage
[00:57] <Effigy-> Okay, So /usr/local/bin is in my string path. anyone know why scripts I placed in /usr/local/bin are not found?
[00:57] <seicherlbob> trism: thanks, i just found the "news"
[00:57] <seicherlbob> Effigy-: are you allowed to execute them?
[00:57] <arand> MrKeuner: clonezilla (simple) or fsarchiver (powerful)
[00:57] <Effigy-> hum. i'll try sudo
[00:57] <seicherlbob> Effigy-: type in your terminal: "ls -al /usr/local/bin/myscript.sh" and check if you have the permissions set right
[00:58] <humungulous> Effigy-: you also have to exit and reeenter the shell to get them recognized
[00:58] <Effigy-> still with sudo command not found
[00:58] <Effigy-> ok
[00:59] <yeochief> MrKeuner: I suggest you make a CD of the latest version and then use the trial from CD rather than trying to uninstall install and reinstall if you don't like. Inst at Ubuntu.com
[01:00] <MrKeuner> yeochief, tried live cd already, loved it but one cannot notice all possible problems using a live cd
[01:00] <MrKeuner> yeochief, since one cannot use a live cd that long
[01:01] <CFHowlett> MrKeuner   virtualbox...
[01:01] <seicherlbob> MrKeuner: as i said before... use a second harddrive
[01:01] <MrKeuner> CFHowlett, virtualbox don't let you notice whether suspend, hibernate etc work
[01:01] <Effigy-> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 71 2010-08-08 06:10 /usr/local/bin/script.sh
[01:01] <seicherlbob> MrKeuner: agree
[01:01] <CFHowlett> MrKeuner   true ...
[01:01] <MrKeuner> seicherlbob, that is a good but expensive option
[01:01] <humungulous> MrKeuner: seicherlbob might be right
[01:02] <humungulous> MrKeuner: use the opportunity to upgrade your hd and if you want to go back you got a nice new drive out of the deal
[01:02] <Effigy-> do I need to change permissions?
[01:02] <seicherlbob> Effigy-: you need to set the rights for execution of the file: man chmod
[01:02] <|bird|> Effigy: make your script executable...chmod 700
[01:02] <|bird|> effigy man chmod
[01:02] <Effigy-> can you give an example of man chmod
[01:02] <MrKeuner> humungulous, :) good rationalization
[01:02] <MrKeuner> thanks people, I'll try your sugegstions
[01:03] <seicherlbob> MrKeuner: i agree with humungulous: buy a new nice harddrive, so you dont need to reinstall if you like it and want to stick to it.
[01:03] <itaylor57> Effigy-, sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/script.sh
[01:03] <|bird|> Effigy: man is for manual. Type: man chmod, will give you more info.
[01:04] <seicherlbob> Effigy-: sooner or later you will have to read manpages... start by typing "man chmod". both (man for the manuals and chmod) are extremly basic things you have to know when running linux
[01:04] <Effigy-> alright. seems sooner than later. thanks
[01:09] <Ady> what vwersion of java need for lastest builds?
[01:10] <Ho^Oh> How can I install a minimal version of KDE? Like without it's native text editor, movie player, etc.
[01:10] <CFHowlett> Ho install mini.iso and add kde
[01:11] <Ho^Oh> CFHowlett: I should've asked, via apt-get
[01:11] <CFHowlett> :)
[01:14] <bonhoffer> is there a light weight ubuntu (or other distro) that i can quickly put on a usb to wipe my drive
[01:15] <seicherlbob> bonhoffer: you just want to nuke a drive?
[01:15] <brightspark> bonhoffer, the default livecd has gparted, which can wipe your drive
[01:15] <bonhoffer> yes
[01:15] <bonhoffer> but i would like to fade image
[01:15] <brightspark> or it used to at any rate
[01:15] <bonhoffer> i'm turning it in
[01:15] <seicherlbob> http://www.dban.org/
[01:15] <CFHowlett> bonhoffer   xubuntu lubuntu
[01:16] <bazhang> gparted live iso is 60mb
[01:16] <bonhoffer> seicherlbob: perfect
[01:16] <bonhoffer> that might work too
[01:17] <dhillon-v10> Hi all, can anyone tell me if Ubuntu is taking part in Google Summer of Code? Thanks!
[01:17] <bonhoffer> seicherlbob: hmm. . . i would like dban on a usb drive
[01:17] <bonhoffer> i don't have a spare cd
[01:17] <funnyfingers> Anyway to make it so update-grub does not change the set root='(/dev/xvda1)'?  I need it to stay as hd0,0 and not /dev/xvda1
[01:18] <seicherlbob> bonhoffer: umm... sorry. i just used it once via cd.
[01:18] <bonhoffer> no problem
[01:18] <bonhoffer> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-dban-to-a-usb-flash-drive-using-windows/
[01:19] <hiexpo> hola guys
[01:19] <CFHowlett> hiexpo   greetings
[01:19] <r4y> I've hade the question I am about to ask for many years now. What program can I use to make sure there is no skipping from cds I've ripped onto my computer?
[01:20] <hiexpo> hehe > thanx
[01:20] <Ho^Oh> brightspark: Use parted magic for that purpose.
[01:20] <CFHowlett> r4y   exact audio copy + lame
[01:20] <r4y> oops, had not hade, lol
[01:20] <r4y> I am sorry, I don't understand.
[01:21] <Ho^Oh> Between Ubuntu lucide and Ubuntu Oneiric, has the command to install grub changed?
[01:21] <goddard> DuckDuckGo it
[01:21] <hiexpo> r4y, whatyou useing?
[01:21] <r4y> isn't lame a commandline program. OK, so I will look into it using Google.
[01:21] <Ho^Oh> Lol @ goddard, you're the first to say that.
[01:21] <goddard> Ho^Oh: :D
[01:22] <r4y> I use Windows Media Player, then I move it to Ubuntu using a flash drive.
[01:22] <Ho^Oh> But sadly, duckduckgo is not a perfect alternative. I want to be able to do image search.
[01:22] <r4y> I recently learn about bit rates.
[01:22] <CFHowlett> r4y   dual booting?
[01:22] <r4y> No.
[01:22] <JulinBM> do yours see movies in ubuntu?
[01:23] <r4y> Isn't Ubuntu suppose to be installed before Windows is installed?
[01:23] <hiexpo> r4y, use audacious > what you wanna do ?
[01:23] <CFHowlett> r4y   ideally windows then ubuntu.  If ubuntu first, you'll have to restore grub to see ubuntu.
[01:23] <goddard> Ho^Oh: i dont do image searchs that often but ya it would be nice
[01:24] <JulinBM> you watch movies on ubuntu??
[01:24] <CFHowlett> !who|julinbm
[01:24] <hiexpo> JulinBM, sure
[01:24] <r4y> I use SMPlayer
[01:24] <trism> dhillon-v10: applications are being prepared, but google won't accounce accepted applications until mid-march: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-February/034716.html
[01:24] <hiexpo> smplayer is just a front end
[01:24] <substr_sql> wow.
[01:25] <gh0stlabrat> hi all
[01:25] <r4y> I like how it has slow motion for playing movies
[01:25] <JulinBM> ubottu; hiexpo: ok, thanks
[01:26] <JulinBM> kkk
[01:26] <dhillon-v10> trism: I see, I think application process opens up to us (students) tomorrow, so I was wondering if I should apply
[01:26] <hiexpo> hehe
[01:26] <JulinBM> hiexpo: i'm new user here
[01:27] <JulinBM> hiexpo: i'm learning
[01:27] <hiexpo> JulinBM, good deal
[01:27] <r4y> hiexpo	r4y, use audacious > what you wanna do ?, I want to make sure the cds I've ripped are tested for skips. I would rather have a program that tests my music after the fact because I already have a lot of music on my computer at the bit rate I want and don't want to have to go through re-ripping them.
[01:28] <JulinBM> hiexpo: thanks
[01:28] <sdferfx> My new Ubuntu install makes it so when a shell closes everything touching it dies for sure, gets a HUP. This is even affecting screen sessions. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[01:28] <dhillon-v10> trism: ohh actually no i was wrong it doesn't open for students till March 26th... my bad
[01:29] <JulinBM> hiexpo: I'm with win7 and ubuntu, I do not know yet what can I do with linux.
[01:29] <r4y> Use lame for what I am asking then?
[01:29] <dhillon-v10> trism: well thansk anyways, I appereciate the help
[01:29] <JulinBM> hiexpo: but, i know linux is very good
[01:29] <hiexpo> JulinBM, anything with linux
[01:29] <CFHowlett> JulinBM   get full circle magazine, pick a project and have fun.   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/FullIssueIndex
[01:31] <JulinBM> hiexpo: thanks i'm going read
[01:32] <hiexpo> JulinBM, good deL
[01:32] <hiexpo> ^ deAL
[01:35] <r4y> OK, if cds that are already ripped can't be tested, then can any program test cds directly for skips?
[01:35] <r4y> I know there are anti-skip cd players out there.
[01:37] <r4y> hiexpo Were you suggesting audacious to do this, or just because you like audacious
[01:38] <haylo> can i use the root account in ubuntu
[01:38] <haylo> ?
[01:38] <rudiX> hi all
[01:38] <urfr332gO> haylo, not advised other then with a sudo in ubuntu.
[01:38] <urfr332gO> !sudo | haylo
[01:39] <tripelb> anyone ever heard of an openwireless project - meaning do not use encription.
[01:39] <haylo> well i would like ot be able to get into it anyway is there a default password?
[01:39] <haylo> or how the heck does that work? why cant i use it?
[01:40] <urfr332gO> haylo, root has no password, if you read up on the setup you will understand why it is set up not to be run.
[01:40] <rudiX> i got problems with fglrx on my old sony laptop (ati mobility m6 card) ...
[01:41] <urfr332gO> haylo, if you want to run in root it is better to use a distro that is set up that way ubuntu isn't.
[01:41] <rudiX> i found some one line code .sh installer yesterday .... but forgot to bookmark it
[01:41] <haylo> i understand it would be risky cause of all of ubuntus features
[01:41] <rudiX> is anyone know any alternative installer for old ati cards
[01:41] <haylo> kk i guess i dont need it fglrx is installed i was jus  ab bit confused
[01:41] <urfr332gO> haylo, we can't tell you how on the channel as well.
[01:42] <urfr332gO> :)
[01:42] <haylo> right makes sense
[01:42] <haylo> lol well i guess there nare always mysteries to unravel
[01:42] <rudiX> haylo, fglrx is installed
[01:42] <tripelb> hello. Somewhere in some intro to a #channel here I saw something about an "Open Wireless Project" or so I remember. Down anyone have an idea for how to find it. (Yes I googled 20)
[01:43] <tripelb> find the open w. project
[01:43] <rudiX> re
[01:44] <Jordan_U> funnyfingers: That line is overridded by the search --set line anyway. It should have no effect.
[01:44] <bensois> http://pastie.org/3468181
[01:44] <totesmuhgoats> tripelb: you could check the help for alis, not sure if it can search /topics
[01:44] <totesmuhgoats> tripelb: /msg alis help
[01:44] <marienz> bensois: not appropriate for this channel.
[01:45]  * CFHowlett *adds bensois to the eternal ignore list for posting meaningless propaganda*
[01:45] <bensois> Just a listing of quotes, my friend.
[01:45] <marienz> bensois: completely unrelated to this channel, though. Do you have a ubuntu-related question to ask or answer?
[01:45] <igor-> hi. i was hoping i could get some human help regarding the build process for a ubuntu deb package? more specifically, i'm trying to build mutt-patched but i keep getting weird characters when trying to run it directly (it's fine, though, if LC_ALL or LC_CTYPE is set)
[01:47] <haylo> ok my ubuntu remastersys just failed i have it down with debian- any suggestions?
[01:47] <AngelForget> hello igor-
[01:47] <igor-> hi AngelForget
[01:49] <AngelForget> what version of ubuntu do you use? igor-
[01:49] <chen> join #ubuntu-cn
[01:49] <igor-> AngelForget, oneiric
[01:49] <tripelb> totesmuhgoats, I'm an alis fail. Not to worry. I'll find another way.
[01:49] <tripelb> I'll tell you if it works
[01:49] <CFHowlett> chen try /join #ubuntu-cn
[01:51] <chen> OK
[01:54] <AngelForget> I hope I can be of help with this little guide. the problem and that is in Italian . igor-
[01:55] <AngelForget> http://linuxiano.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/howto-creare-pacchetti-deb-da-sorgente/
[01:55] <igor-> AngelForget, i'll take a look, thanks
[01:56] <bludshot> when i turned on my computer, it was saying Checking for running unattended upgrades, and getting stuck on that. So I booted to recovery and apt-get removed that and rebooted and then it said Could not write bytes: broken pipe. So I rebooted to recovery and did dpkg-reconfigure lxde to see if that fixes it, and now when I turn on the computer i just get a black screen, then a lubuntu loading
[01:56] <bludshot> screen for a split second and then a black screen forever (like more than an hour, presumably forever)
[01:58] <mangdood> qtcurve doesn't seem to be integrating my gtk applications with KDE
[02:00] <urfr332gO> !nomodeset | blud maybe it is a graphic driver needed try this.
[02:00] <AngelForget> good night all people ....................
[02:00] <AngelForget> inside this chan
[02:02] <pokuy> hi guys
[02:02] <pokuy> can u hlep me please about my effects
[02:02] <pokuy> Desktop effects could not be enabled
[02:03] <xangua> mangdood: with qt4-config you can set kde/qt apps to emulate the current gtk theme, but don't know if it works with gtk3
[02:03] <adamus> hi all
[02:03] <bensois> Vladimir Putin said Russia was alarmed by the "growing threat" of an attack on Iran over its nuclear programme and warned that the consequences would be "truly catastrophic".
[02:03] <xangua> !info qt4-config | mangdood
[02:05] <xangua> mangdood: sorry, it's qt4-qtconfig
[02:05] <pokuy> xangua, can u help me about Desktop effects could not be enabled
[02:05] <delinquentme> using grep to search within a directory full of files ... for a string ".state" within all the files
[02:05] <delinquentme> anyone?
[02:08] <brightspark> delinquentme, the -R flag searches recursively.
[02:09] <delinquentme> brightspark, so  'grep -R ".state"'
[02:09] <delinquentme> but what part of that specifies to search *within* the file
[02:09] <brightspark> delinquentme, grep syntax would require you to write 'grep -R /directory/of/files ".state"'
[02:10] <WhiteDynamite> grep -R ".state" ./*
[02:10] <brightspark> right, WhiteDynamite.
[02:10] <brightspark> sorry
[02:10] <brightspark> delinquentme, grep is meant to search within files
[02:11] <brightspark> the utility to search only the names of files is called 'find'.
[02:11] <brightspark> or 'locate'
[02:11] <gmachine_24> Just installed 11.10. Took forever to d/l and install the language packs; which I don't even want. How can I remove them and how to I prevent their install during my next Ubuntu installation. Thx.
[02:12] <WhiteDynamite> You can unplug from the internet.
[02:12] <WhiteDynamite> as a quick and greasy solution
[02:12] <xangua> gmachine_24: set to no install language pack next install
[02:13] <gmachine_24> xangua, ok. must have missed that option. how do I remove the ones I don't want now?
[02:13] <xangua> gmachine_24: when the install proces starts you can jump that part
[02:13] <gmachine_24> xangua: OK.
[02:13] <xangua> gmachine_24: there should be a language settings, type Language in the dash¿
[02:14] <hexagon> is anyone here?
[02:14] <CFHowlett> hexagon   yes
[02:14] <hexagon> Oh, OK.
[02:14] <gmachine_24> in the dash?
[02:14] <MrWizard> Hwwwwat
[02:14] <hexagon> So what is this channel for?
[02:14] <WhiteDynamite> tech support hexagon
[02:14] <MrWizard> Ubuntu "support"
[02:15] <xangua> gmachine_24: when you clic the ubuntu icon you get the dash
[02:15] <gmachine_24> hexagon do you have a question?
[02:15] <hexagon> OK, cool. So would you be able to tell how to open and close the preferences panel for an xfce4 panel applet at startup?
[02:15] <gmachine_24> or problem?
[02:18] <gmachine_24> so... apparently English is the only language pack installed. this is rather difficult to believe.
[02:20] <mangdood> xangua, sorry for the real late reply. Is there any way I can get GTK (whatever version xfce 4.8 uses) to emulate qt applications instead?
[02:21] <xangua> mangdood: install a gtk theme that looks like the one kde uses
[02:23] <xangua> !info gtk2-engines-qtcurve | mangdood
[02:24] <mangdood> xangua, I'm trying to use qtcurve, but the appearance of my GTK apps don't change when I'm using KDE
[02:24] <Nima> When I boot from the install CD or wubi, after the intitial ubuntu logo, I get a black screen. suggestions?
[02:25] <urfr332gO> !nomodeset | Nima
[02:25] <Halexander9000> There's a background process hogging all of my CPU. Can someone help me identify it?
[02:25] <dez4rk> Halexander9000, htop
[02:25] <Halexander9000> ?
[02:25] <Halexander9000> dez4rk: Could you please repeat that?
[02:26] <urfr332gO> Halexander9000, install htop or use top in the terminal htop is run there as well
[02:26] <mangdood> Halexander9000, or just top on the command line
[02:27] <urfr332gO> Halexander9000, htop has a kill function.
[02:27] <MrWizard> Nima: I personally have also had issues with GPUs that use openchrome drivers in Ubuntu not working after install, but working fine in live enviroment, easiest way to fix was to manually copy the X11 folder and contents (which wasn't generated properly on install) over to the fresh install and rebooting
[02:27] <Halexander9000> I tried the other graphical task managers, and I can't find said process.
[02:28] <Halexander9000> And just like magic, the moment I activated htop, the process hogging my cpu suddenly dissapeared.
[02:28] <Halexander9000> Is that normal?
[02:28] <mangdood> Halexander9000, how did you know your CPU is being hogged then
[02:29] <urfr332gO> Halexander9000, there is a xpi update that runns periodically it may have been that
[02:29] <Halexander9000> I'm using lxde, it has a graph that displays my cpu status.
[02:30] <Halexander9000> Hmm, I'm more concerned about hackers playing tricks on me, but anywho. Thanks for the help.
[02:30] <Gnea> Halexander9000: I tend to find that the command 'top' to be more reliable
[02:30] <urfr332gO> Halexander9000, `I use conky there are abunch of them on the web find one you like and it will show on the dektop.
[02:31] <L3top> top ftw
[02:31] <dez4rk> You can actually kind've get to like unity if you use it correctly, interesting!
[02:31] <gmachine_24> ............. cli still seems better
[02:32] <gmachine_24> imho
[02:32] <atari314> Hello. Ubuntu is 386 or 686?
[02:32] <vaccine> howdy folks, Im trying out ubuntu on a MacBook Air, but Im having some serious issues with the touchpad, I've looked around the forums, but haven't found much that is useful
[02:32] <vaccine> is there a trick to get drag and drop to work?
[02:32] <gmachine_24> vaccine: define "serious issues" and how about the Ubuntu version, hardware info etc.
[02:33] <vaccine> gmachine_24 11.10, macbook air 3,2
[02:33] <gmachine_24> atari314 how about both
[02:33] <CFHowlett> atari314   ubuntu has 386 and 686 versions
[02:33] <atari314> any specific location to get the 686 one? (ty)
[02:34] <gmachine_24> ubuntu.com
[02:34] <CFHowlett> atari314   same place you get the 386 - look for "amd" or "64"
[02:34] <vaccine> basically the touchpad won't work with 2 fingers on it like you'd expect it too.. making drag and drop not work as well
[02:34] <psusi> CFHowlett, I don't think so
[02:34] <erpo> atari314: Do you mean 686 or 64 bit?
[02:34] <atari314> 686
[02:34] <vaccine> s/as well/at all
[02:35] <Zillow> having an issue with dkms
[02:35] <CFHowlett> psusi   686 = 64 bit?
[02:35] <psusi> CFHowlett, no, 686 = pentium pro
[02:35] <Zillow> http://pastebin.com/iaMyurfX
[02:35] <gmachine_24> PLEASE don't just say "I have a problem" and waste a lot of space and time.  This isn't a chat room.
[02:36]  * CFHowlett facepalms desk - repeatedly - ty for clarifying psusi
[02:36] <psusi> hehe
[02:36] <Gnea> !mysql
[02:36] <atari314> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download << only shows me 32 or 64 versions... should I look on the ftp?
[02:37] <erpo> atari314: Is there a particular reason you need 686 and the 32-bit one won't meet your needs?
[02:37] <atari314> performance
[02:37] <psusi> atari314, there isn't a build specifically optimized for the ppro, mostly because it doesn't really make a difference
[02:37] <erpo> atari314: What are you trying to do that you find the performance of the i386 version inadequate?
[02:38] <atari314> yup, too slow, guess I'll have to stick with arch. Tyvm for the help tho.
[02:38] <Reid_> Hiya, I have 4 80gb, without being pro can I get this rolling software RAID-5 or JBOD or something like that to use just as a home desktop?
[02:38] <psusi> atari314, how do you figure?
[02:39] <erpo> atari314: Glad to hear arch is meeting your needs. :)
[02:39] <L3top> lol
[02:40] <erpo> Reid_: Why do you want RAID or JBOD?
[02:40] <psusi> Reid_, sure, you will need the alternate cd to setup raid
[02:41] <psusi> Reid_, though... how old of a computer is this?  and what interface?
[02:42] <Reid_> Right, I am downloading alternate one now.  Well I figured if I got RAID going I would have some redudancy, save some vacation pics on it.
[02:42] <gmachine_24> reid: you have 4 x 80GB hard drives, is this correct?
[02:42] <Jak2000> hi all
[02:42] <Reid_> Not sure what else to use 4 80gb hard drives for, thats correct.
[02:42] <psusi> Reid_, raid is not a substitute for backups... redundancy is not to prevent data loss, but to avoid having down time and having to restore from backups...
[02:42] <CFHowlett> Jak2000   greetings
[02:43] <gmachine_24> Jak2000 ask you ? please
[02:43] <erpo> Reid_: I would recommend installing onto one 80GB drive and then formatting and mounting the other ones where you need them. Simpler.
[02:43] <psusi> Reid_, are these old ide hard drives?  if they are THAT old, probably best to recycle them...
[02:43] <Jak2000> i am installed xwindows on ubuntu (on virtual box) http://imgur.com/vS9t7, but not find a terminal or how to restart, any advice? need insall other software?
[02:44] <psusi> erpo, having to manually manage different partitions is not simpler than one big fs
[02:44] <Reid_> Using my old computer, its E6660, on a Gigabyte board, it does have fake raid. They are 4 SATA drives, if I mounted all 4 drives, i would need to search through four drives to find things....
[02:45] <urfr332gO> Jak2000, is that the 2d?
[02:45] <erpo> psusi: I think it is. He wants more space, which means he needs RAID 0 or 5. You can't boot off of those raid levels, so he'd have to make a separate boot partition. If he chooses raid 5 for redundancy, he'll need to work with grub on multiple disks to make sure he can still boot if his primary disk fails.
[02:45] <psusi> Reid_, wow... sata but only 80 gb?  odd... avoid the fakeraid junk unless you have to dual boot with windows
[02:45] <motherbrain> does anybody know where I can get a list of valid asm interrupts on a linux machine.... I know of just one int 0x80 is that it? I can look up a bunch of bios int commands like 10h , 13h ,..etc their are tons but problem is I only want the vaild int commands when I am in user space?
[02:45] <psusi> erpo, you can boot off them just fine
[02:46] <erpo> psusi: I think we might be miscommunicating. Your can put / on raid 0 or 5, but you can't put /boot on raid 0 or 5.
[02:46] <psusi> erpo, yes, you can.... grub2 has supported that for a few years
[02:46] <motherbrain> is it just int 80h for linux and int 21h for dos/windows vaild in user space ... Anybody know for sure?
[02:46] <erpo> psusi: Wow.
[02:46] <Jak2000> urfr332gO yes
[02:46] <Jak2000> is the desktop (gui)
[02:47] <psusi> motherbrain, what?
[02:47] <psusi> erpo, when you install grub2 it even prompts you to select all of the drives to install to... no /boot needed
[02:47] <motherbrain> is int 80h and int 21h the only vaild interrupt asm commands in user spaces for dos/windows and linux ?
[02:47] <YohanMeister> hi
[02:48] <urfr332gO> Jak2000, your certainly missing the off or reboot..etc in the top right corner if you hit the off for te virtual it will give you the option, for powering off.
[02:48] <Reid_> Yea, not really sure what else to do with 80GB drives. Haha, can you make them appear as one volume in Ubuntu?
[02:48] <psusi> motherbrain, dos has tons of interrupts
[02:48] <motherbrain> like what?
[02:48] <psusi> Reid_, yes
[02:48] <psusi> motherbrain, google for Ralph Brown's interrupt list
[02:49] <psusi> motherbrain, that's the closest thing to a complete list I know of
[02:49] <Nima> Hi guys, my problem with the black screen is not resolved even after I set nomodeset
[02:49] <urfr332gO> Jak2000, I would just dual boot the ubuntu to be honest the virtual is chunky at best.
[02:50] <motherbrain> NO I DON'T think you understand those only work in kernel / before the os loads 16 bit mode .
[02:50] <psusi> motherbrain, and there is no user space in dos...
[02:50] <Jak2000> urfr332gO thx
[02:50] <urfr332gO> Jak2000, good to see you have XP installed. :)
[02:50] <Jak2000> not
[02:50] <Jak2000> cant
[02:51] <motherbrain> ok is windows and linux only int asm commands 21h and 80h
[02:51] <motherbrain> I know in 16 bit mode you can use Ralph Brown's interrupt list but not when you are already in 32 bit mode
[02:52] <psusi> motherbrain, and windows is another animal entirely... iirc, it's kernel syscall is.... hrm... I forget now... 2E was it?... int21 is the main dos service vector, not valid in non dos windows versions ( except when running a dos executable under emulation )
[02:52] <MrWizard> Using 11.10 on an averatec 2500, anytime I start a video in VLC the sound is all garbled and riddled with crackling and feedback...this corrects itself if I simply open the sound settings menu, but I'd like to find a cause and permanent solution for this if possible...any ideas?
[02:52] <Reid_> I'll just roll without the raid, thanks psusi and erpo.
[02:53] <erpo> MrWizard: Does this happen with all video formats or just one format? Does this happen with other video players?
[02:53] <deonyi> Someone help me, I need a software that would let me record my desktop.
[02:54] <bludshot> urfr332gO  I went to do the nomodeset thing, so I turned on the computer, hit Shift a bunch but the grub loader didn't come up, instead an error came up saying "Checking for running unattended-upgrades"python: can't open file '/usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown': [Errrno 2] No such file or directory
[02:54] <MrWizard> erpo: happens with any video format (have tried .avi wma wmv mp*'s mkvs, pretty much anything) and with any video player (vlc is simply my main one)
[02:54] <urfr332gO> bludshot, I don't have a idea on a fix for that, do you have a ecternal HD?
[02:55] <urfr332gO> external*
[02:55] <deonyi> I need a software that would let me record my screen and how to install it
[02:55] <bludshot> urfr332gO i have an external usb harddrive yeah, not currently in use with the computer that is having these problems
[02:55] <CFHowlett> deonyi   sudo apt-get install recordmydesktop
[02:55] <erpo> deonyi: Try googling for ubuntu record desktop. I found a result that way that seems like a good fit for you.
[02:56] <erpo> MrWizard: Does this happen with other OSs on the same hardware?
[02:56] <urfr332gO> bludshot, if it was me I measure the time to reinstall aaginst the fix which ever is shortest I do.
[02:56] <deonyi> CFHowlett thanks so much
[02:57] <CFHowlett> deonyi   have fun/be safe
[02:57] <MrWizard> erpo: No sir, and didn't happen with previous version of 'Buntu, just this latest one...its not even a big problem, just a bit of an annoyance, but I haven't been able to pin the cause down
[02:57] <PsiKloPx> was trying to install gimp throught the software manager but received this error "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"
[02:57] <urfr332gO> bludshot, but I also clone all installs.
[02:57] <bludshot> urfr332gO i have done extensive tweaking and stuff to this OS, and, this is already my 2nd go...  I have spent craploads of time on this lubuntu, and since if i was to redo things i did before i would be doing the same things then its just as likely that i will
[02:57] <bludshot> experience this same problem imo
[02:58] <bludshot> so i guess fixing this is the shortest
[02:58] <bludshot> if its not
[02:58] <bludshot> the pc is going in the trash
[02:58] <PsiKloPx> tried 'sudo apt-get -f install' plus everything else I found on google...still broken
[02:58] <erpo> MrWizard: Have you tried changing the audio out module in vlc?
[02:59] <CFHowlett> PsiKloPx     see http://askubuntu.com/questions/60448/gimp-package-dependencies-cannot-be-resolved
[02:59] <L3top> PsiKloPx: chances are your sources.list is problematic
[02:59] <urfr332gO> bludshot, if you mix desltops and apps like that without cleaning them out your asking for trouble really, customizing is great but do it carefully.
[02:59] <urfr332gO> desktops*
[02:59] <naryfa> exactly
[02:59] <naryfa> be careful
[02:59] <L3top> and make lots of backups
[02:59] <bludshot> urfr332gO i did not mix desktops and apps, this was a clean lubuntu install, formatted machine
[02:59] <L3top> clonezilla is very helpful for that
[02:59] <naryfa> lots of backups
[02:59] <naryfa> true
[03:00] <MrWizard> erpo: yes, i completely lose sound on any settings other than default, ALSA, or pulse and the issue still persists with those settings
[03:00] <urfr332gO> bludshot, if you had a clone of when it worked you would be way ahead of the game.
[03:01] <bludshot> urfr332gO i had no idea i could do a "clone"
[03:01] <L3top> bludshot: look at clonezilla
[03:01] <urfr332gO> bludshot, clonezilla.org
[03:01] <L3top> 15 min back to perfect
[03:01] <CFHowlett> MrWizard   could it be hardware related?  Test audio with headphones...
[03:02] <L3top> can use over samba, ftp, external, whatever
[03:02] <erpo> CFHowlett: The crackling goes away when he opens the sound preferences window.
[03:02] <erpo> MrWizard: Anything funny in dmesg?
[03:02] <CFHowlett> erpo   thanks erpo ...
[03:02] <bludshot> good for the future, but tbh I doubt i would have made a clone yet... I was still in the middle of setting up this computer when this problem occurred
[03:02] <bludshot> i would likely not clone till i got everything set up
[03:02] <erpo> MrWizard: Actually, pastebin dmesg and we'll look at it.
[03:02] <L3top> every 2 hours, take 15 min and make a clone.
[03:02] <L3top> very sound way to go... saves time in the longrun
[03:03] <bludshot> L3top ok cool, next time i can get to my desktop i'll look into that
[03:03] <urfr332gO> bludshot, do it when it seems appropriate to you, nice insurance really.
[03:03] <bludshot> but until then,
[03:03] <MrWizard> CFHowlett: does it with headphones as well, in addition, when i plug headphones in the output in sound settings defaults to the headphone option and has no sound, switching the output back to the default allows sound to play through headphones
[03:03] <bludshot> i have this problem i need to solve :|
[03:03] <urfr332gO> bludshot, you might also try posting on the ubuntu forums the IRC is hit and miss really.
[03:03] <L3top> what is the problem again bludshot?
[03:04] <L3top> sorry I missed it
[03:04] <MrWizard> erpo: will do but give me some time since i have no idea how to do that (feels like an idiot)  looking it up now
[03:04] <bludshot> L3top let me go post on ubuntu and then link you because its a long story now
[03:04] <L3top> urfr332gO  I went to do the nomodeset thing, so I turned on the computer, hit Shift a bunch but the grub loader didn't come up, instead an error came up saying "Checking for running unattended-upgrades"python: can't open file '/usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown': [Errrno 2] No such file or directory
[03:04] <L3top> this one?
[03:05] <bludshot> yes (but there is more backstory as well, but yes)
[03:05] <erpo> MrWizard: Open a terminal, type dmesg, and hit enter. Then copy and paste everything that appears into pastebin.com.
[03:05] <L3top> k
[03:05] <bludshot> that is the latest issue
[03:05] <L3top> go make a post and I will read
[03:05] <urfr332gO> L3top, thats it. :)
[03:05] <bludshot> k
[03:05] <MrWizard> erpo: thankyou, one moment
[03:05] <Sasori2501> hey guys... need some advice.  thinking of buying Alienware M14x, but REALLY concerned about video card, nvidia 555m and integrated video (optimus tech i believe) will be instsalling 11.04.  will i be able to disable the integrated video for pure nvidia use????
[03:05] <PsiKloPx> CFHowlett: tried your link but still broken: (gimp : Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.2) but 2.30.0-0ubuntu4 is to be installed)
[03:06] <urfr332gO> Sasori2501, there is a wiki on cards.
[03:06] <CFHowlett> PsiKloPx   aaargh ...  the only workaround I can see is to install from source...
[03:06] <urfr332gO> !nvidia | Sasori2501
[03:06] <Sasori2501> urfr332gO: can you send me a link.  had optimus on my last laptop, and it was a nightmare trying to get compiz going
[03:07] <MrWizard> erpo: posted to pastebin under "MrWizard sound issu"
[03:07] <erpo> MrWizard: I'll need the URL
[03:07] <MrWizard> erpo: http://pastebin.com/7098b9UJ
[03:07] <dlentz> Sasori2501, avoid optimus like plague
[03:08] <MrWizard> erpo: sorry again, thankyou for your patience
[03:08] <urfr332gO> Sasori2501, I have never used nividia, maybe others can help here really, I would just start with a Google of the card and the release you want.
[03:08] <erpo> MrWizard: No problems. Thank you for choosing a good nick.
[03:08] <Nima> I'm trying to install Ubuntu, and I'm getting a black screen with nomodeset selected
[03:08] <dlentz> avoid any hybrid graphivs
[03:09] <MrWizard> Was suprised to find this nick was unregistered ^^
[03:09] <urfr332gO> Sasori2501, compiz is temperamental when tweaked as well.
[03:09] <urfr332gO> in unity
[03:09] <Sasori2501> dlentz: i know, but what solid gaming laptops come without it these days??? practically none...
[03:09] <starn> hey i am in desperate need of help with Audio...  two devices analog and digital... ALC1200 HDA intel.. i want to make sound stop playing on speakers when headphones plug in.. and or to split like say music player to speakers all others to headphones..
[03:10] <Sasori2501> urfr332gO: that page doesnt really go into optimus and disabling an integrated card to use a video card
[03:10] <urfr332gO> Sasori2501, I have never used nividia.
[03:10] <PsiKloPx> CFHowlett: <sigh> guess so...thanks
[03:11] <dlentz> yeah, nvidia's best for gaming, and you can use optirun with ironhide driver, but i doubt most (any?) of the laptops let you turn off the inte igp completely
[03:11] <xj88> Hi all. I have two machines, one is running 11.10 and the other is running 10.04. I have multiple USB hard drives. They worked on both machines consistently. All of a sudden, 11.10 mounts everything as read-only, even when using sudo to mount read/write. Still mounts read-only. This is true of both NTFS and ext3 external drives. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[03:11] <CFHowlett> PsiKloPx   source we couldn't find an easier solution.   Good luck.
[03:12] <CFHowlett> *sorry*
[03:13] <Sasori2501> dlentz: ok i will look into that.  need a viable solution cause i really want to run effects on it.  last attempt with optimus was a nightmare.
[03:14] <bludshot> L3top: here is the post about my problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1932144
[03:16] <urfr332gO> bludshot, have to changed the grub timeout?
[03:16] <urfr332gO> you
[03:16] <bludshot> urfr332gO certainly not wittingly no
[03:17] <urfr332gO> bludshot, cool.
[03:17] <xj88> My other problem: I have a Motorola Droid X. When I plug it into 10.04, a usb mass storage dialogue comes up and everything works great. This was also true of 11.10 until this morning, when suddenly nothing happens when I plug the phone into 11.10. The phone sees the connection, but 11.10 doesn't pick up on the phone at all. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[03:17] <erpo> MrWizard: I have to get going, but I may have a lead for you.
[03:17] <bludshot> urfr332gO I mean I can try to restart the computer and hit shift to get the grub menu again, and maybe succeed if that is the right thing to try next. But now im like .. what is up with this other error
[03:18] <MrWizard> erpo: any leads would be appreciated
[03:18] <CFHowlett> *No grub for me!* Single OS atm, ubuntu doesn't display grub, just goes straight to login screen.  What to do?
[03:18] <erpo> MrWizard: According to your dmesg, you have an ALC888 audio chip. Users have reported that when the PCM volume is set to 0, crackling sounds can be heard over the intended audio. Opening the mixer resets the PCM volume and fixes this problem.
[03:18] <urfr332gO> bludshot, yeah me to, just add to the thread if any thing changes .
[03:18] <erpo> MrWizard: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/148969-pulse-audio-does-nothing-but-crackle.html
[03:18] <erpo> MrWizard: I would try to get someone to help you set up your system so that your PCM volume will get set to an appropriate value on startup.
[03:19] <MrWizard> erpo: thankyou for your help, i'll look into it, and have a good evening/morning/afternoon
[03:19] <xangua> CFHowlett: you can display grub pressing Shift when you turn on the machine
[03:19] <urfr332gO> CFHowlett, you change the time out so the key prompt is not working. A single install bypasses the grub menu.
[03:19] <erpo> MrWizard: Thanks. Have a good day.
[03:20] <CFHowlett> urfr332gO   but I've got 2 kernels - realtime and default.  I'd have thought..
[03:20] <CFHowlett> xangua   urfr332g0 thanks
[03:20] <L3top> bludshot: http://pastebin.com/czXAHQcz that is my unattended-upgrade-shutdown
[03:20] <L3top> so... what I would do if I was you
[03:21] <L3top> is live boot from dvd
[03:21] <L3top> get into that machine via console
[03:21] <L3top> mkdir -p /usr/share/unattended-upgrades
[03:21] <L3top> create the file unattended-upgrade-shutdown
[03:22] <L3top> chmod +x unattended-upgrade-shutdown
[03:22] <L3top> reboot
[03:22] <L3top> see if that works for you.
[03:22] <bludshot> will the live cd see the drive? anything special i gotta do for that?
[03:23] <L3top> yes, and no.
[03:23] <L3top> just open whatever file manager on whatever distro
[03:23] <L3top> and it should be available
[03:23] <L3top> click and it should mount
[03:23] <L3top> if you are on ubuntu live
[03:23] <L3top> press ctrl l
[03:23] <L3top> that will show the path
[03:23] <L3top> which will probably be something like /media/disk
[03:23] <L3top> open console
[03:24] <bludshot> are you saying I shold copy the contents of your file from the pastebin or just make an empty file
[03:24] <L3top> cd /media/disk
[03:24] <L3top> I would put mine in there
[03:24] <L3top> or find the original because I am a stranger
[03:24] <L3top> depending on your level of paranoia
[03:24] <bludshot> well im going to assume that somebody on here would warn me if you tried to feed me some bad file heh
[03:25] <L3top> nobody knows me
[03:25] <bludshot> but they know bad files
[03:25] <L3top> llol
[03:25] <vaccine> Im trying to get some packages installed and apt-get is telling me it is unable to locate them.  I've run apt-get update, but it doesn't seem help, am I missing something?
[03:25] <L3top> nobody is going to proof it... but...
[03:25] <L3top> its straight from a fresh install
[03:25] <bludshot> well dont fail me ubuntu community!
[03:25] <bludshot> ;)
[03:25] <L3top> its open source
[03:25] <bludshot> yeah i will go try this stuff
[03:25] <xj88> Hi all. I have two machines, one is running 11.10 and the other is running 10.04. I have multiple USB hard drives. They worked on both machines consistently. All of a sudden, 11.10 mounts everything as read-only, even when using sudo to mount read/write. Still mounts read-only. This is true of both NTFS and ext3 external drives. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[03:25] <L3top> you can find the source file
[03:26] <urfr332gO> vaccine, what's the package?
[03:26] <vaccine> urfr332gO xf86-input-multitouch
[03:27] <vaccine> running 11.10
[03:27] <trism> !info xserver-xorg-input-multitouch | vaccine
[03:29] <urfr332gO> vaccine, this is what synaptic saysin 11.10 with that name. http://imagebin.org/201005
[03:32] <vaccine> sorry, Im new to this, how does that help?
[03:32] <trism> vaccine: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-multitouch;
[03:32] <xj88> My other problem: I have a Motorola Droid X. When I plug it into 10.04, a usb mass storage dialogue comes up and everything works great. This was also true of 11.10 until this morning, when suddenly nothing happens when I plug the phone into 11.10. The phone sees the connection, but 11.10 doesn't pick up on the phone at all. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[03:33] <vaccine> E: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-input-multitouch
[03:34] <trism> vaccine: do you have universe enabled?
[03:34] <vaccine> trism, I don't know =)
[03:35] <trism> vaccine: software-properties-gtk; check the universe box
[03:36] <vaccine> ok, checked it
[03:36] <vaccine> now do I have to do an update again?
[03:36] <trism> vaccine: yes, then you should be able to install it
[03:37] <jsoft> How do I have a script be notified when new media is inserted? Ie, flash drive, cdrom
[03:39] <xj88> Hi all. I have two machines, one is running 11.10 and the other is running 10.04. I have multiple USB hard drives. They worked on both machines consistently. All of a sudden, 11.10 mounts everything as read-only, even when using sudo to mount read/write. Still mounts read-only. This is true of both NTFS and ext3 external drives. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[03:39] <Jordan_U> jsoft: "udisks --monitor" sounds like it might be useful. See "man udisks" for more info.
[03:39] <vaccine> ok, got it installed
[03:40] <urfr332gO> xj88, have you unmounted it in general or just unplugged it?
[03:40] <Gnea> !ppa
[03:40] <vaccine> next thing it says is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. but I don't seem to have one
[03:40] <xj88> urfr332g0: I always unmount my drives safely. And they are still working fine on 10.04.
[03:40] <jsoft> Jordan_U: hmmm, sounds interesting
[03:41] <Deihmos> havign trouble installing ubuntu to raid 0. Seems like every other version breaks this type of installation
[03:42] <javierf_> Hi. I'm using ubuntu 11.10. Why when changing metacity there the up bar doesn't change with it? It remains dark or light as radiance/ambiance
[03:42] <L3top> is anyone familiar with the <<deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt lucid main restricted universe multiverse>> way of handling sources?
[03:42] <urfr332gO> javierf_, which desktop?
[03:42] <javierf_> urfr332gO, unity
[03:43] <javierf_> urfr332gO, I meant the panel
[03:43] <urfr332gO> javierf_, unity is aplugin in compiz
[03:43] <masterpck10> hi
[03:44] <urfr332gO> metacity is not used unless you load it, at what exspense I have no idea. javierf_
[03:44] <L3top> because I am experimenting with our project snapshot and using local mirrors seems the easiest way to handle source mangling... however I just ran it and I get a bunch of CD-ROM attempts and errors. No there are none in my sources.list
[03:44] <javierf_> urfr332gO, I see... but why it changes sometimes and no others??? There are some dark themes that change the panel to dark, and some light ones that do the proper thing to light. But others don't do it
[03:45] <urfr332gO> javierf_, no idea.
[03:46] <javierf_> urfr332gO, ok, thanks anyway for the key that works as a plugin :)
[03:46] <urfr332gO> javierf_, no problem.
[03:47] <javierf_> anyone else has an idea how to adapt unity panel to the theme I'm using? Why it adapts sometimes and sometimes no=?
[03:47] <urfr332gO> javierf_, I think the unity panel is unchangeable I thought you meant the top panel.
[03:47] <Guest55005> any sucessful experience with openldap? anyone?
[03:47] <onats> hey all, anyone here deploy thin clients with ubuntu?
[03:48] <L3top> any update bludshot?
[03:48] <L3top> I do.
[03:48] <L3top> well... the project I work on does Guest55005
[03:48] <urfr332gO> javierf_, you can mess with it a little in comizconfig settings manager nothing like theme change though.
[03:48] <nRy> hi
[03:49] <zeleftikam> Iran is DDoSing me, what do i do?
[03:49] <zeleftikam> ICMP dest unrch (port) (106 bytes) from cloud2012 to <IP_ADDRESS>.pol.ir
[03:49] <bastidrazor> zeleftikam: unplug your computer from the internet
[03:49] <taipres> lookup who the ip space belongs too and report it
[03:49] <zeleftikam> actually i have that access right here
[03:49] <zeleftikam> let me check
[03:49] <javierf_> urfr332gO, ok, I guess you are right, I meant the top panel. Thanks one more. I have checked CCSM, but unfortunatelly, this can't be done. It's just strange that I can't get the same colours there that I have at the rest of the screen, and with other themes there is no problem
[03:49] <zeleftikam> ah ha, it's mahmoud iminadinnerjacket
[03:50] <urfr332gO> javierf_, you might look at the OMGubuntu site they seem to have a lot of tweaks.
[03:54] <onats> can anyone recommend a thin client that works well with ubuntu?
[03:54] <gordon> Hey guys...I installed n2n for ubuntu but I can't seem to get it to run
[03:54] <Guest47447> is this the appropriate room for ubuntu applications support?
[03:58] <xj88> Hi all. I have two machines, one is running 11.10 and the other is running 10.04. I have multiple USB hard drives. They worked on both machines consistently. All of a sudden, 11.10 mounts everything as read-only, even when using sudo to mount read/write. Still mounts read-only. This is true of both NTFS and ext3 external drives. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[04:00] <Guest47447> Does anyone know anything about the n2n issue?
[04:00] <L3top> xj88... I can't remember what does that... but it is an easy fix from what I remember
[04:00] <orlok> n2n?
[04:00] <orlok> the VPN tunnel tool?
[04:00] <Guest47447> orlok: yes
[04:00] <xj88> L3top: That is the way of these things. ;)
[04:01] <Guest47447> orlok: i got it to install, but don't know how to make it run
[04:01] <Guest47447> orlok: I am new to this
[04:01] <xj88> L3top: Easy if you know what you're doing, nigh-impossible if you don't know the magic words.
[04:01] <orlok> Guest47447: No, but one of the developers is a few meters away from me!
[04:01] <L3top> lol... looking around...
[04:01] <Guest47447> orlok: oh my god...could I talk to him?!
[04:02] <orlok> Guest47447: meeting sorry heh.. i have never actually used n2n
[04:02] <MrKeuner> hello, have been using chromium for my default broswer for a while, tried changing default browser to Firefox using gnome preferred applications dialog. still chromium opens when clicked on a gnome launcher but chromium warns that it is not the default broser :)
[04:02] <MrKeuner> what's the problem here?
[04:02] <Guest47447> orlok: oh...damn...well...damn
[04:03] <isaac__> so
[04:03] <isaac__> question
[04:03] <isaac__> assuming you all are Linux users
[04:03] <javierf_> still googling it... someone knows why in unity top panel not always adapt to the theme you are using? any way to change them together?
[04:04] <toafan> 'Scuzzi.  Can someone point me to the location of all the .desktop launcher files?
[04:04] <isaac__> Actually nevermind
[04:04] <toafan> @isaac__ well... ubuntu is a linux distro
[04:04] <toafan> I'd be surprised to find a non-user here
[04:05] <MrKeuner> toafan, try find / -name *.desktop
[04:05] <urfr332gO> mrhanky, system settings-sytem info
[04:06] <urfr332gO> MrKeuner, system settings-sytem info
[04:06] <urfr332gO> sorry mrhanky my bad
[04:06] <MrKeuner> urfr332gO, not sure I understood you correctly?
[04:07] <MrKeuner> are you referring me to an application named system?
[04:07] <urfr332gO> MrKeuner, that is a app set you can set the default apps used.
[04:07] <erpingham> Hi.  I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, and when I log out of my main user account, it  returns to the login manager, but when I log back in, the session hangs  just after loading my desktop background but before loading unity
[04:08] <urfr332gO> system settings-system info-default applications, follow the apps grasshopper MrKeuner
[04:08] <MrKeuner> urfr332gO, aren't you talking about gnome-default-applications-properties
[04:09] <toafan> erpingham, not that I've got anything, but does it hang for good? (IE more than say 5 min) or does it come back?
[04:09] <MrKeuner> urfr332gO, that's what i changed initiallay, which did not seem to work
[04:09] <urfr332gO> MrKeuner, in 11.10 which I'm running that is the path.
[04:09] <erpingham> toafan, basically the desktop session is hanged probably for at least 5 minutes. I can still switch to virtual terminals though.
[04:10] <erpingham> toafan, basically it has never come back for me.
[04:11] <toafan> @erpingham hrom... my modus operendi is to go away for some indeterminate amount of time (nethack or something) and come back to see if it changed.
[04:11] <toafan> more than 5 minutes is frankly unresonable though
[04:12] <erpingham> toafan, ok i'll try doing that while doing homework or something, but suppose it does or does not come back--any ideas about what i should do? I've tried logging out/in using the gnome classic and unity 2D and they work fine.
[04:13] <xj88> Hi all. I have two machines, one is running 11.10 and the other is running 10.04. I have multiple USB hard drives. They worked on both machines consistently. All of a sudden, 11.10 mounts everything as read-only, even when using sudo to mount read/write. Still mounts read-only. This is true of both NTFS and ext3 external drives. What could cause such a change and how can I fix it?
[04:14] <MrKeuner> anyone using lenovo x200 laptop with 11.10? how does hibernate and suspend work?
[04:14] <urfr332gO> MrKeuner, it could be that the gnome launcher needs to be changed to FF as default, with permissions it is helpful to name exactly what your ding as far as a app or file etc.
[04:14] <toafan> erpingham I got nothing -- try loging in on something else and then back in?
[04:14] <urfr332gO> doing*
[04:14] <chipotle> hi, should i have used master boot record when i install ubuntu rather than guid?
[04:14] <Exodus> xj88, does the kernel drop anything at you?
[04:15] <universo> Help me out with this homework? The ____ command shows you the entire path and file name for anything containing the text string you indicate. FIND, TOUCH, DLOCATE, SLOCATE.
[04:15] <xj88> Exodus: How can I find out?
[04:15] <urfr332gO> universo, no home work here.
[04:15] <Exodus> xj88, check /var/log/syslog
[04:15] <universo> Where can I get homework help?
[04:15] <urfr332gO> universo, frrom your professor.
[04:16] <Exodus> universo, FIND a teacher
[04:16] <urfr332gO> universo, or other students.
[04:16] <xj88> universo: I'd recommend looking up those various commands on a wiki or with man. Shouldn't be hard to find the answer (which I don't know)
[04:16] <Exodus> universo, ;)
[04:16] <r0b-> uery flyback
[04:16] <universo> Exodus: Your advice is greatly appreciated, I will find my way to campus
[04:18] <toafan> looking for .desktop launchers, find / -name *.desktop didn't come up with any useful results
[04:18] <Exodus> universo, yes, you should "find -iname" a teacher, that way you don't get upper or lowercase issues
[04:18] <xj88> Exodus: It says write protect is off, but write cache is disabled. Is that a clue? (hopeful)
[04:18] <toafan> maybe try again, with sudo?
[04:18] <chipotle> hi, can i install win7 after i installed ubuntu?
[04:18] <Exodus> xj88, hehe not really
[04:19] <toafan> (in that case, how to exclude dirs?)
[04:19] <Exodus> xj88, do this: open a terminal and type: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:19] <Exodus> xj88, then, plug the hard drive
[04:19] <MrKeuner> toafan, must be something similar to /usr/share/applications...
[04:19] <Exodus> it should give you in 'realtime' what the kernel is logging
[04:19] <chipotle> i need to create a MBR partition for ubuntu, correct? not GUID?
[04:20] <xj88> Exodus: Oooh (from last time): NTFS driver 2.1.30 [Flags: R/O MODULE]
[04:20] <Exodus> xj88, also, try: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/DEVICE
[04:20] <urfr332gO> chipotle, sure you will have to reload the mbr though to get grub.
[04:20] <toafan> chipotle, you could (win7 after ubuntu) -- same way you can install ubuntu after win7 ;)
[04:20] <Exodus> xj88, see, that's an error
[04:20] <Exodus> xj88, it could be that it didn't shut down properly and it's loading RO
[04:21] <MrKeuner> toafan, also checkout ~/.local/share/applications
[04:21] <xj88> Exodus: But it doesn't on my other two machines?
[04:21] <toafan> chipotle, trick is the windows bootloader has a nasty reputation...
[04:21] <xj88> Exodus: Any idea how to clear that?
[04:21] <Exodus> xj88, diff version of kernels and software
[04:21] <urfr332gO> chipotle, ah guid your on your own there I have no clue.
[04:21] <xj88> Exodus: That makes sense.
[04:21] <Exodus> xj88, there's a program, called ntfsfix, or something like that
[04:21] <Exodus> xj88, or maybe: fsck.ntfs /dev/DEVICE
[04:21] <chipotle> toafan: i think i will wipe ubuntu and then install win7
[04:21] <Exodus> sudo it
[04:22] <chipotle> urfr332gO: so i should select mbr and not guid when creating a partition type?
[04:22] <Exodus> xj88, I'm giving all this from the top of my head since I'm on a live CD atm without anything installed =b
[04:22] <chipotle> what partition type do i create when i wipe the boot drive and want to partition for ubuntu and windows 7?
[04:22] <toafan> chipotle: from there you could re-install ubuntu if you're after dual-boot
[04:22] <urfr332gO> chipotle, I have never had a GUID set up not sure really.
[04:22] <chipotle> urfr332gO: toafan ^ i will use ntfs for win7, i guess
[04:22] <Exodus> xj88, but look for those command-line apps
[04:23] <toafan> chipotle yeah, ntfs for windows is the way to go
[04:23] <chipotle> toafan: okay, but how do i partition the drive? what do you recommend? 50GB for windows7 using ntfs, what about ubuntu?
[04:23] <toafan> chipotle totaly depends
[04:23] <chipotle> toafan: should i leave 50GB for the entire install on one drive, and then i can have info on other drives? (i have 6 hdd's in my system)
[04:23] <chipotle> toafan: on?
[04:23] <Exodus> xj88, ntfsfix should do it
[04:23] <chipotle> i want to keep the ubuntu install on its own drive, preferably
[04:23] <chipotle> erm, partition
[04:24] <toafan> drive size, drives available, prime/prefered boot...
[04:24] <toafan> I could probably go on
[04:24] <toafan> I used the ubuntu instalation partitioning tool on my system
[04:24] <chipotle> toafan: i have 1 ssd that will hold the two OS's, 1 500GB, 2 3TB and a 2TB drive. the 3TB is for media, the 2TB and 500GB drive is for backups
[04:25] <MrKeuner> hello, have been using chromium for my default broswer for a while, tried changing default browser to Firefox using gnome preferred applications dialog. still chromium opens when clicked on a gnome launcher but chromium warns that it is not the default broser :)
[04:25] <MrKeuner> how to change the default browser?
[04:25] <toafan> wait, backup to the 2tb, not the 3tb?
[04:25] <toafan> hrm. ok
[04:26] <Exodus> MrKeuner, open firefox and set it in the preferences.
[04:26] <xj88> Exodus: ntfsfix ran successfully but the drive still mounts read-only
[04:26] <MrKeuner> Exodus, thanks, wondering how they actually set that
[04:26] <chipotle> toafan: backup drives are a network drive for apple computers
[04:27] <Exodus> MrKeuner, it's in gconf
[04:27] <chipotle> not backing up the media
[04:27] <Guest47447> does anyone know anything about n2n?
[04:27] <Exodus> MrKeuner, some apps use gconf, some don't
[04:27] <Exodus> MrKeuner, tis why you'll sometimes get some apps opening something else
[04:27] <MrKeuner> Exodus, I see
[04:27] <toafan> chipotle, plan out if you want to share between the OSes without external drives.  eg in my laptop I have a share partition
[04:27] <Exodus> MrKeuner, it's kind of like proxy settings, they're also in gconf, but firefox has it in its preferences and doesn't use gconf's one
[04:28] <toafan> if it's a desktop that's probably moot
[04:28] <chipotle> yes, it's a desktop
[04:28] <Exodus> xj88, did you do a manual remount like I mentioned?
[04:28] <Exodus> xj88, ex: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdXx
[04:28] <toafan> I'd probably give windows more space on the SSD, if it's larger than like 20-30 fifs
[04:29] <toafan> *gigs
[04:29] <Exodus> xj88, check what the kernel says of running that
[04:29] <MrKeuner> Exodus, actually, setting in firefox did not work either
[04:29] <MrKeuner> :)
[04:29] <toafan> ubuntu can only use stuff installed to compatible partitions (not on windows)
[04:30] <toafan> but doesn't seem to need as much space
[04:30] <Exodus> MrKeuner, you said a gnome-launcher, what do you mean by that? a shortcut you created on the desktop or a menu?
[04:30] <MrKeuner> Exodus, on desktop contect menu gives you a link to create a launcher
[04:30] <MrKeuner> Exodus, they use xdg-open
[04:31] <toafan> I've got all my docs, configs etc on a separate partition, auto-mounted and symlinked -- that may be overkill. depends on updates
[04:31] <MrKeuner> launcher is on desktop, a .desktop file of some sort
[04:31] <Exodus> well, xdg-open uses gconf if I'm not mistaken
[04:33] <Exodus> MrKeuner, what Ubuntu release #?
[04:33] <MrKeuner> 10.04.4
[04:33] <xj88> Exodus: Weird problem. What I get is that /dev/sdb1 is not found in fstab or mtab (it is in fstab, I'm looking at it).
[04:34] <MrKeuner> Exodus, /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http is updated with firefox when I choose firefox in gnome-default-applications-properties
[04:34] <Exodus> xj88, is this a removable drive?
[04:34] <MrKeuner> but still chromium launches with warning that it's not the default
[04:34] <xj88> Exodus: Yeah, USB hard drive.
[04:34] <sacarlson> xj88:  maybe not found with user in it?
[04:34] <Exodus> MrKeuner, what does /desktop/gnome/applications/browser/exec say?
[04:35] <toafan> chipotle, you good?
[04:35] <Exodus> xj88, remove it from /etc/fstab, shouldn't be there in the first place
[04:35] <chipotle> toafan: ya, thanks :)
[04:35] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: thats a common problem with chrome / chromium
[04:35] <MrKeuner> Exodus, firefox
[04:35] <Exodus> xj88, FUSE manages removable media
[04:35] <Exodus> MrKeuner, weird
[04:35] <toafan> welcome :) glad I could help
[04:35] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, that it owns the browsing feature?
[04:35] <crimsonmane> what would be the most appropriate channel for my question? using mint 11, virtualbox4.0 is installed but i cannot find it.
[04:36] <xj88> Exodus: Done, but I'm still getting the error (when attempting the command you suggested) that it's not found in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:36] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: it sets as default browser for the desktop environment but it doesn't read from the same file to do the default check when opening chrom{e,ium}
[04:36] <urfr332gO> crimsonmane, the mint channel
[04:36] <Exodus> xj88, well it's not going to work now that you removed it :P I'm guessing it's not mounted
[04:36] <crimsonmane> urfr332g0 can you be more specific using the # symbol?
[04:37] <urfr332gO> crimsonmane, or #vbox hard to tell what te problem actually is.
[04:37] <Exodus> xj88, fstab is a file for when your computer is booting and it pretty much says what should be mounted on boot
[04:37] <Exodus> xj88, mtab is a file that keeps track of what's mounted
[04:37] <Exodus> xj88, so if it's not in your mtab, it's not mounted
[04:37] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, then I'll have to remove chromium totally for now
[04:37] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: why?
[04:37] <MrKeuner> i need firefox to be the default
[04:38] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: all you have to do is set firefox as default in your Desktop Environment's default applications
[04:38] <bludshot> L3top I added that file like we talked about and now it does boot to desktop. But there's no task bar or 'start menu'
[04:38] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, I did, that does not worl
[04:38] <xj88> Exodus: That makes sense to me. But now when I run sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/external (which exists) I just get the error that it's not found in fstab. Why should that matter?
[04:38] <urfr332gO> god-zotac, I told them that deemed to not register.
[04:38] <L3top> lol
[04:38] <Exodus> xj88, and if it's not mounted, and you have files under that mount point, those files aren't in that removable drive, they're in whatever device has a higher mount point up in the tree, in any sane configuration it should be your root partition /
[04:38] <L3top> you blowed that guy up real good
[04:38] <urfr332gO> semed*
[04:38] <L3top> try adding a new user
[04:39] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, you mean gnome-default-applications-properties, right?
[04:39] <L3top> or...
[04:39] <L3top>  I wonder if you could just copy everything from the skel dir
[04:39] <L3top> one second
[04:39] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: i'm not using gnome, so i can't tell you step by step how to do it in gnome
[04:39] <bludshot> L3top maybe this is because i did dpkg-reconfigure lxdm?
[04:39] <Exodus> god-zotac, he already has firefox configured there sadly.
[04:40] <xj88> Exodus: "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/external" is now coming up with "warning: /media/external seems to be mounted read-only"
[04:40] <god-zotac> Exodus:: sounds like a .desktop file just needs edited then..
[04:40] <skypce> hey guys,
[04:40] <god-zotac> not sure if he is just wanting firefox to launch when clicking html files, or when clicking a link in another application like xchat/irc. or what
[04:40] <skypce> i have a good idea for preview windows
[04:40] <skypce> do you want listen me?
[04:41] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, gnome-launchers
[04:41] <god-zotac> Exodus:: or if he is just simply trying to get the Web Browser  shortcut to launch firefox
[04:41] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, .desktop files that use xdg-open to open a url
[04:41] <Exodus> MrKeuner, what exactly is it you're trying to open, or what is this link trying to open?
[04:41] <god-zotac> gnome-launchers?
[04:41] <MrKeuner> let me post the file somewhere
[04:42] <toafan> Arg...  trying to set up firefox to use an external irc program
[04:42] <Exodus> MrKeuner, does the desktop-file have something like: xdg-open "URL" ?
[04:42] <bludshot> hey guys i booted into desktop and i have no task bar or start menu for some reason
[04:42] <urfr332gO> toafan, chatzilla?
[04:42] <MrKeuner> Exodus, god-zotac http://pastebin.com/QSR5Nqf6
[04:42] <toafan> went looking for a .desktop launcher to point it to.  no such luck
[04:42] <skypce> i think may be a good idea, create a compiz plugin for docky that in docky windows list show a real size screen of window when hover by docky window app list
[04:43] <Exodus> xj88, well, removing the file from fstab should have it appearing in your nautilus for normal user mounting
[04:43] <toafan> urpr332gO ATM I'm using Smuxi
[04:43] <L3top> bludshot: try cp -r /etc/skel/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* /home/YOURUSER; cp -r /etc/skel/* /home/YOURUSER
[04:43] <Exodus> xj88, I mean, removable hard drives are automagically open now, you don't have to add them to fstab
[04:43] <L3top> where YOURUSER is clearly your user
[04:43] <urfr332gO> skypce, let compiz know eh.
[04:43] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: just change exo-web-browser.desktop Exec line to say firefox instead of the exo-open --launch WebBrowser  %u
[04:43] <ninux> pizza :)
[04:44] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: firefox %s   i think might be appropriate
[04:44] <toafan> urfr332gO also have irssi available if that helps :(
[04:44] <xj88> Exodus: I know. I only tried that when they stopped working.
[04:44] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, I cannot do that, there are zillions of launchers around
[04:44] <bludshot> i will go try that now
[04:44] <god-zotac> zillions of launchers?
[04:44] <urfr332gO> toafan, chatzilla is FF plugin I use xchat myself.
[04:44] <L3top> might wanna reboot after bludshot
[04:44] <god-zotac> if you want firefox to always open from anything then what i said should fix that
[04:44] <MrKeuner> launchers like the file I posted
[04:44] <xj88> Exodus: Here's the thing: This happens across four separate external drives. They *all* started mounting read-only on this machine all at once. The problem isn't the drives, it's gotta be some obscure config file that went and horked itself.
[04:44] <skypce> urfr332gO,  ok , it will be as example a window preview but maximized , when you hover over docky app list
[04:45] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, I don't want firefox to open all, I need the default browser then to open all
[04:45] <skypce> urfr332gO,  it will be great for people as me that have vision problems
[04:45] <god-zotac> so i thought you wanted firefox to be the default browser?
[04:45] <MrKeuner> god-zotac, thanks anyways
[04:45] <MrKeuner> for now yes
[04:46] <god-zotac> hrm.. when you want to change it to something else just edit that file and change it to what you want it to be..
[04:46] <MrKeuner> :)
[04:46] <MrKeuner> all right, thanks for trying to help
[04:46] <toafan> OK, try this: does anyone know how to connect to basicly random irc servers?
[04:46] <urfr332gO> skypce, you going to make this?
[04:46] <god-zotac> hmm ok.. not sure what else you are wanting to hear..
[04:46] <Exodus> MrKeuner, open a terminal and type: xdg-open http://www.google.com
[04:46] <Exodus> MrKeuner, does it open in firefox or chrome?
[04:47] <skypce> no i want contribute with idea urfr332gO , i am themer , :S i do not know about development
[04:47] <MrKeuner> Exodus, that opens firefox
[04:47] <MrKeuner> Exodus, clicking on launcher file opens chromium with warning
[04:47] <toafan> I see "connect irc server port", I think I get that...
[04:47] <skypce> haha , may be with your help :P
[04:47] <toafan> default irc port?
[04:48] <urfr332gO> skypce, me neither. :)
[04:48] <bludshot> L3top how do i get to console
[04:48] <Exodus> MrKeuner, well, it seams like chromium is cached somewhere, because that .desktop file looks ok, try re-entering you session, relog
[04:48] <L3top> ctrl alt f2
[04:48] <L3top> should drop you to tty2
[04:48] <bludshot> k
[04:48] <MrKeuner> Exodus, i see
[04:48] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: xdg-settings check --manual default-web-browser
[04:49] <MrKeuner> xdg-settings: command not found
[04:49] <Exodus> xj88, hmm, ok, try this, unmount all the drives, create a new user with admin privileges, loginto that user, and plug the drives
[04:49] <Exodus> xj88, that way you'll check if it's some bogus config in your userdir
[04:49] <xj88> Exodus: Sounds like fun. I'll give that a shot =)
[04:49] <Exodus> xj88, or if it's a system-wide thing
[04:49] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: install it then
[04:50] <god-zotac> xdg-settings get default-web-browser
[04:50] <motherbrain> curious I am try understand in linux from the ground up I am curious what function is called first when linux is loaded ... i.e linux's kernel entry point. And I am also curious if I run linux os in a virtualbox if their is away to debug/set break point in it easily ... I have used boche in the passed but it really was a pain to set break points and dump function stack
[04:50] <god-zotac> MrKeuner:: sudo apt-get install xdg-utils
[04:50] <MrKeuner> thanks for help, Exodus, god-zotac
[04:50] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: init is the root of all processes
[04:51] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: bootloader loads the kernel. kernel loads the init process. then OS runs startup scripts
[04:51] <motherbrain> yes but their are functions called before init like what starts init ,..etc
[04:51] <toafan> well.  Got my IRC problem fixed :) everything eles can wait
[04:52] <Exodus> motherbrain, open the kernel source, init is the first process called after the kernel is loaded
[04:52] <motherbrain> basically I want to know the kernel entry point.. init is just the parent process that starts other process
[04:52] <bludshot> L3top ctrl alt f2 doesnt do anything
[04:52] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: usually in the kernel config there is a cmdline boot option or in your grub/lilo boot loader (or other loader)
[04:52] <Exodus> motherbrain, the first function in the kernel is probably the main() one ;-)
[04:53] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: have you took a look at the kernel configuration at all?
[04:53] <motherbrain> is it named main , or kmain , or some thing else ? where in the source can I find it
[04:53] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: its easiest to see a good layout of how the kernel is put together if you use xconfig
[04:53] <motherbrain> which configurations ?
[04:53] <Exodus> motherbrain, this might be of help to you: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-kernel/
[04:53] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: not sure what you are asking about the actual source.. the kernel is made up of tons of different pieces
[04:53] <toafan> bludshot: what distro? (missed it) try ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[04:54] <bludshot> toafan i tried ctrl-alt-f1  and ctrl-alt-del  nothing happens. I can move the mouse cursor around though. it's Lubuntu
[04:55] <christinepea777> i have the same issue as bludshot
[04:55] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: are you wanting to know what the first thing the kernel is doing when it loads? or are you wanting to know how it calls init? or are you wanting to know how the kernel knows to call init?
[04:55] <bludshot> well, i doubt its precisely the same
[04:55] <bludshot> i also have no task bar and start menu
[04:55] <christinepea777> except that i can't move the cursor. my screen freezes and I get distored colors until i press ctrl+alt+F7
[04:55] <motherbrain> I just wanted to know when the bootloader loads the linux kernel what function is the first function it jumps to . "i.e the kernel entry point I would presume"
[04:55] <bludshot> I feel like i should just reboot, but i dont know how
[04:55] <LinuxApprentice> motherbrain: init
[04:56] <LinuxApprentice> inittab?
[04:56] <god-zotac> init isn't the first function it jumps to
[04:56] <L3top> bludshot: boot live dvd
[04:56] <Exodus> motherbrain, this could also help: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linuxboot/index.html
[04:56] <toafan> bludshot no idea what ctrl-alt-del does on linux. --f1 or --f2 should have hit you a tty though. got nada :(
[04:56] <motherbrain> I am wanting to look at the function source code that calls init
[04:56] <bludshot> L3top, before i boot to the live dvd, do i just hold the power button down to turn off the laptop?
[04:56] <bludshot> L3top ie: nothing nicer i can do eh?
[04:56] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: look at the config_cmdline_linux  source code
[04:56] <L3top> if you press power button on pc will likely shut itself down.
[04:56] <urfr332gO> motherbrain, here is a rather extensive grub 2 manual. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html
[04:57] <bludshot> L3top yes it will
[04:57] <L3top> not without buttons or tty
[04:57] <Exodus> motherbrain, When the bzImage (for an i386 image) is invoked, you begin at ./arch/i386/boot/head.S in the start assembly routine
[04:57] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: that may not be the exact location let me make sure
[04:57] <L3top> I dont mean hold it... just press it
[04:57] <L3top> it SHOULD try and exit gracefully
[04:57] <bludshot> pressing it doesnt do anything
[04:57] <bludshot> i tried
[04:57] <xj88> Exodus: Shiny new admin account has same problem =(
[04:57] <L3top> well... might give it some time
[04:57] <L3top> as you cant see what it may or may not be doing
[04:57] <Exodus> xj88, so it's a system-wide thing, sadly
[04:57] <xj88> Exodus: Hopefully that narrows down possible causes?
[04:58] <bludshot> so you think i should boot to live dvd and then cp those skel files right
[04:58] <xj88> Exodus: I mean, there must be a short list of things that can do that to all accounts.
[04:58] <hazard74> o,o
[04:58] <Exodus> xj88, FUSE controls the automounting of the file-systems un userland
[04:59] <Exodus> xj88, start from there, check the kernel logs again, compare the logs to the machine that actually is mounting the hard drives correctly
[04:59] <universo> Exodus?
[04:59] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: in the kernel config:  this is the configuration option  where you define where init is located:  CONFIG_CMDLINE     it also has the option to read the cmdline mode / init from the boot loader.  take a look at the headers and the .c code that is used for those config options, and i'm sure you will be able to tell what you are wondering
[04:59] <friskd> Hey guys, i'm trying to track down some details about why a process is dying
[04:59] <L3top> k... hold it
[05:00] <Exodus> xj88, check what versions of each package it uses in each distro, fuse, mount, your base-files
[05:00] <friskd> I'm running a command using capistrano, and it executes a script, i see it start, (watching in htop), but then it does
[05:00] <LinuxApprentice> motherbrain: do you like metroid?
[05:00] <Exodus> xj88, try updating your system, might be a bug
[05:00] <universo> Exodus: The ____ command shows you the entire path and file name for anything containing the text string you indicate. ... It ended up being slocate! Thanks for the help and goodnight/day, wherever you are
[05:00] <friskd> is there a way to monitor what affects a running process?
[05:00] <xj88> Exodus: Fully updated, sadly, and this has been going on for over a week, during which time it's been updated repeatedly =(
[05:01] <victorplus> hello
[05:01] <LinuxApprentice> hallo
[05:01] <LinuxApprentice> guv'nor
[05:02] <Exodus> xj88, what fs are the hard drive partitions?
[05:02] <Exodus> xj88, ext? fat? ntfs?
[05:02] <xj88> Exodus: Two NTFS, two ext3.
[05:03] <xj88> Exodus: All with the same problem.
[05:03] <Exodus> xj88, connect the drives, manual mount with specifics, remember to unmount first
[05:03] <god-zotac> friskd:: the process in question will need to be built from source with debugging symbols enabled, and you will need to use gdb to debug the trace on it, unless it is giving you something other than SegFault output when ran in a terminal
[05:04] <Gallomimia> hi can someone help me with a strange problem. i've got a script called ftpmirror which causes a segfault in the perl interpreter. apparently it's known and fixed according to some pages i found through google. what I don't understand is what perl version i have installed, or how to get the bug fix incorporated into my system and make this script work. any help is appreciated
[05:04] <xj88> Exodus: Have been trying. Even when specifying rw, I get "mount: warning: /media/Seagate Replica seems to be mounted read-only."
[05:04] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: perl -v
[05:04] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: will tell you the version you have installed
[05:05] <Exodus> xj88, remember to unmount them first since when you plug them in they're already getting mounted by fuse
[05:05] <Gallomimia> ah yes. how simple :)
[05:05] <Exodus> xj88, run 'mount' alone to check where they're mounted or what their device points are /dev/sdx
[05:05] <Exodus> xj88, run: umount /media/DEVICE
[05:05] <Nubus> hello
[05:05] <Exodus> xj88, or: umount /dev/DEVICE
[05:05] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: if the fix requires a patch to some code you might want to find a .deb for it that is already patched, or you will need to get the perl source code, patch it, and then compile it, and build a .deb for it
[05:05] <Exodus> sudo those
[05:05] <__machine> trying to keep a log of the steps i need to take a configure a new ubuntu vps... when i have to do things like add several lines to the end of a config file... is there an easier way than multiple echo "..." >> filename commands? can i do a single command and then just paste all the lines into stdin and hit ctrl d to finish?
[05:05] <Exodus> xj88, then run the mount commands
[05:06] <Exodus> xj88, example: sudo mount -t ntfs -o users /dev/DEVICE /mnt/DEVICE
[05:06] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: if there isn't a patched .deb out there already, it would be nice for you to share the .deb you generate with the community to keep everyone else from needing to manually patch the source code :)
[05:07] <din> __machine: try cat > file.txt
[05:07] <din> __machine: or script file.txt
[05:07] <__machine> din: perfect, thank you
[05:07] <din> i personally like script better
[05:08] <Gallomimia> god-zotac: thanks for the tip. i'm reading the bug reports that i searched down yesterday and it seems that they're made. but i am confused about the versioning numbers. fixed in 5.10.1-9
[05:08] <Gallomimia> what's the -9 mean? and is that the same as my version which is 5.10.1
[05:08] <xj88> Exodus: Still I get "mount: warning: /media/Seagate Replica seems to be mounted read-only."
[05:08] <god-zotac> revision 9 of 5.10.1
[05:08] <xj88> Exodus: Maybe my fuse-daemon has been screwed up?
[05:08] <god-zotac> perl version 5.10.1  ubuntu release 9
[05:09] <xj88> Exodus: But that shouldn't matter after I've manually unmounted.
[05:09] <Gallomimia> this is on debian.org actually
[05:09] <Exodus> xj88, do you get that warning after running the mount command manually?
[05:09] <Exodus> xj88, exactly
[05:09] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: then it would be fixed in debian's 9th revision of the perl-5.10.1 pkg
[05:09] <Gallomimia> clarifying to some, but not to me. what revision do i have??
[05:10] <xj88> Exodus: Just seems weird. It's like something, somewhere, has decided that everything will be mounted r/o and even sudo can't make it change its mind.
[05:10] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: apt-cache show perl|grep Version
[05:10] <Exodus> xj88, it's weird just very weird, maybe you're typing something wrong?
[05:11] <Exodus> xj88, be sure you're unmounting the drives
[05:11] <xj88> Exodus: I promise that I am unmounting them successfully.
[05:11] <Gallomimia> hah. one revision old...
[05:12] <Exodus> xj88, also, retry remounting: mount -o remount,rw /mnt/point
[05:12] <stroxis> can ubuntu software RAID be seen under windows
[05:12] <Gallomimia> alright. in order to get a newer version, what should i do? will apt-get help, or are there other procedures?
[05:12] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: for what it is worth, on 12.04 precise  the version is at: 5.14.2-6ubuntu1
[05:12] <Exodus> xj88, run: mount, pastebin the corresponding lines to your drives
[05:12] <xj88> Exodus: Should I try that remounting when it's mounted or after umounting it?
[05:12] <Exodus> xj88, when it's mounted
[05:12] <Gallomimia> holy crap....
[05:13] <motherbrain> No, this had what I need and wanted http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/kernel-boot-process
[05:13] <Gallomimia> let's pause for a moment. the server i'm running is ubuntu server 10.04.4
[05:13] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: first i would see if you can find a backport of 5.14 from precise for 11.10 if thats what you are using
[05:13] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: oh. well in that case i'd consider an update ;)
[05:13] <Exodus> motherbrain, last link I gave you had that info as well
[05:13] <Gallomimia> that was my question
[05:14] <Gallomimia> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:14] <Gallomimia> or... damn i feel like such a noob :P
[05:14] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: you will have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list first
[05:14] <motherbrain> apparently it all starts in /arch/x86/boot and moves all the way down to init_post which searchs for init and gives it PID = 1
[05:14] <bw___> how do i change window managers?
[05:14] <god-zotac> Gallomimia::   do cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak
[05:15] <Gallomimia> ah i'm glad you're smart
[05:15] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: then see what the codename is for 10.04, as i don't recall off the top of my head
[05:16] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: i would want to upgrade to 10.10 in one step, then to 11.04, then to 11.10
[05:16] <Gallomimia> lucid
[05:16] <god-zotac> don't just jump straight from 10.04 to 11.10
[05:16] <xj88> Exodus: Still trying to get at pastebin. Internet is weird here. Whole different set of issues; don't ask.
[05:16] <motherbrain> makes since the only things when porting to a new arch apart from drivers would be in recoding up to kernel_start
[05:16] <motherbrain> function
[05:17] <Exodus> xj88, did you try remount?
[05:17] <Gallomimia> this is good advice. one question before i proceed. it's an active production server with clients connected. will it cause problems? should i wait till a less active time?
[05:17] <motherbrain> and some times not even that much'
[05:17] <blackshirt> how to change text pattern string on file with sed ?
[05:18] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: yes for sure, this is going to be a major upgrade to almost every package on the system
[05:18] <motherbrain> Anyway anybody know of any good kernel debuggers
[05:18] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: like strace ?
[05:19] <motherbrain> no I am taking about something that would allow me to step thru the booting of an os in virtual pc
[05:19] <Lyte101> Any links on how to get ubuntu 11.10 hdmi output to detect my tv?
[05:19] <Gallomimia> it's a vds, and i think i can contain the apt command within screen which is nice
[05:19] <Exodus> motherbrain, KDB
[05:19] <Exodus> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kdbug/
[05:19] <god-zotac> motherbrain:: build the kernel with all debugging to printk enabled
[05:19] <motherbrain> what and where is KDB
[05:20] <Exodus> motherbrain, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kdbug/
[05:20] <Exodus> also helps to use google
[05:20] <Gallomimia> ibm linux 0o
[05:20] <Gallomimia> flies in the face of everything i know about commercialization
[05:20] <Gallomimia> but hey, great
[05:20] <god-zotac> Exodus:: you work for ibm?  noticed that every link you have gave comes from ibm :P
[05:21] <Exodus> developer-works just has great articles
[05:21] <Exodus> they're also first place in a google search
[05:21] <Exodus> or right up there
[05:21] <xj88> Exodus: Yep, same error. Working on pastebin.
[05:21] <Gallomimia> alright so for me, step 1 upgrade to 10.10 so i searched and got https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[05:21] <Exodus> And developer works has epic content
[05:21] <Gallomimia> it recommends... uh
[05:22] <Gallomimia> update-manager-core
[05:22] <Exodus> god-zotac, wouldn't mind working at IBM in a couple of years though hehe, after I get bored of my current job
[05:23] <Gallomimia> pastebin sucks :( use codepad
[05:23] <Gallomimia> oh its decent for error logs
[05:23] <god-zotac> gist.github.com is good
[05:23] <Exodus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:23] <Exodus> it's uhm, in the /topic
[05:23] <Exodus> :-P
[05:24] <god-zotac> blah.. paste.ubuntu.com is rather n00bish if you are seeking help on something that isn't particularly related to the distro ;)
[05:24] <Exodus> true, but it has great syntax highlighting to pick from
[05:24] <Exodus> has a bunch of options at least
[05:25] <Exodus> I say use w/e works atm
[05:25] <xj88> Exodus: paste.ubuntu.com/858779/
[05:25] <Exodus> A lot of people are complaining at pastebin.com lately
[05:25] <Q_Continuum> So.  Landscape.  I can't afford it for my home machines, but need that capability to keep using it.  Are there any Free self-hosted alternatives, or do I go over to CentOS for my Linux non-Desktop use?
[05:25] <Exodus> xj88, just because you umount, doesn't mean it's actually getting unmounted
[05:26] <Exodus> xj88, check to see if it's actually getting unmount first
[05:26] <neersighted> Q_Continuum: Status2k?
[05:26] <Gallomimia> god-zotac: do you recommend using update-manager-core or editing sources.list for a noob like me?
[05:26] <Exodus> xj88, like, it won't unmount if the FS is busy
[05:26] <xj88> Exodus: It drops out of the sidebar and nautilus. How can I check?
[05:27] <Exodus> xj88, just run 'mount' alone
[05:27] <Q_Continuum> neersighted: hadn't heard of it, looking at it now.  Thanks
[05:27] <neersighted> look in the mountpoint?
[05:27] <Exodus> xj88, but if it drops from the sidebar should be noticeable
[05:27] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: i don't even know what update-manager-core is for.. i always do things by hand.. i don't rely on GUI utilities to get me through :)
[05:27] <Exodus> running: mount alone gives a detail of all the mounted partitions
[05:27] <Gallomimia> pretty sure it's CLI
[05:27] <JadedJacob> How can I install GRUB onto a floppy disk
[05:28] <Exodus> if it's not unmounted, you can force it using: umount -f
[05:28] <JadedJacob> and then make it boot via my usb flash drive?
[05:28] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: its not hard to do something like sed -i 's/oneiric/precise/g' /etc/apt/sources.list;apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:28] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, why
[05:28] <JadedJacob> i have a laptop that doesn't boot from USB/CD
[05:28] <Flannel> Gallomimia: use do-release-upgrade.
[05:29] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, is it to old?
[05:29] <Gallomimia> uhhhhhh
[05:29]  * Gallomimia looks up what sed does
[05:29] <JadedJacob> athlon xp mobile
[05:29] <urfr332gO> for a usb JadedJacob
[05:29] <Flannel> Gallomimia: You don't want to go the sed route.
[05:29] <Exodus> Well, that's it for me, 1:00AM, gotta get up early for work, sorry we couldn't get that fixed xj88
[05:30] <xj88> Exodus: Definitely unmounting.
[05:30] <Gallomimia> flannel i think you're right. it's just above my head
[05:30] <xj88> Exodus: Thanks for trying.
[05:30] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: sed == stream editor     its very powerful for tons of things
[05:30] <Flannel> Gallomimia: Well, it's not even the optimum way to do it, so I'm not sure why you would even want to try.
[05:30] <Gallomimia> i can sort of see what it's doing but.... probably unwise for me to do it.
[05:30] <Exodus> xj88, last thing checking is /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab for any appearance of those drives
[05:30] <Exodus> o/ bye
[05:30] <Gallomimia> maybe if i hired god-zotac to be my server admin it would be better ;)
[05:31] <Gallomimia> unfortunately the pay is only 5 dollars per year
[05:31] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: please do!! i'm in need of a good admin job
[05:31] <god-zotac> in that case nvm
[05:31] <Gallomimia> hehe
[05:31] <Flannel> Gallomimia: No, that other method has no benefits to the do-release-upgrade method.
[05:31] <god-zotac> Flannel:: sure it does, it gives him a good understanding of how things are suppose to work
[05:31] <Gallomimia> the only benefit i can see is that it's super fast
[05:31] <god-zotac> Flannel:: not just some script that does things for you ;)
[05:32] <Gallomimia> and now i know what sed is. and i might go and learn about it one day
[05:32] <Exodus> xj88, ohh, one last thing
[05:32] <Exodus> xj88, something is probably already mounted there in /media/external
[05:32] <basilic> hello, all, I tried to configure my ubuntu server to standby hard disk, I have add in hdparm.conf the line  spindown_time, when the server start, the harddisk are in standby, but if i wake up, it's never go to standby again
[05:32] <Exodus> xj88, mount ur stuff elsewhere
[05:32] <Flannel> Gallomimia: the majority of the time is spent downloading and installing, both methods do that the same.
[05:32] <xj88> Exodus: Sure, I'll give that a shot.
[05:32] <Exodus> xj88, "mount: warning: /media/external seems to be mounted read-only." is just saying there is something already mounted there
[05:32] <Gallomimia> faster to give the commands
[05:32] <Exodus> xj88, meaning you already have that mount point used
[05:33] <Gallomimia> not faster to complete
[05:33] <Exodus> xj88, run "mount" alone, learn to read it and check the mount points, and unmount and mount appropriately
[05:33] <Flannel> god-zotac: Sure, except you forgot about any sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and you didn't ensure that appropriate metapackages were installed prior to upgrade.
[05:33] <Exodus> Bye again o/
[05:33] <travis_> gnome-ppp is awesome
[05:33] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: im sure what he is telling you is the Ubuntu preferred method, but the method I told you has never failed me.. i'm not really an ubuntu guy anyway, i prefer more interactive distributions instead of the automated ones. but nonetheless ubuntu has good uses for tons of users, or certain systems alone
[05:34] <JadedJacob> anyone?
[05:34] <Flannel> god-zotac: and I don't see how "run these two commands I gave you" is any different than "run this one command", it doesn't teach you anything else.
[05:34] <Gallomimia> wait.... learn? that defeats the purpose of this handholding channel!
[05:34] <asde> I have a problem
[05:34] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, maybe if you explained your goal what OS is on the computer, and the actual limitations regarding booting a cd or usb we can get you the best option
[05:34] <god-zotac> Flannel:: yep, it teached him where his sources where at, it teached him that sed was useful :)
[05:34] <Gallomimia> i didn't personally chose the distro for this server. but it's working just fine. i think i would prefer debian
[05:34] <god-zotac> Flannel:: in that case he could use sed on * in sources.d  also
[05:35] <asde> certain program could not work in my lubuntu
[05:35] <Gallomimia> alright geeks extraordinaire.... pissing match over ><
[05:35] <Flannel> god-zotac: Yes, he should, except for when he shouldn't.  Again, the do-release-upgrade method is much more robust, please don't steer people towards methods that could turn out poorly.
[05:35] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: might as well stick with ubuntu as debian.. not really that much difference at all in terms of package management, and ubuntu usually has a better selection of packages than debian
[05:36] <god-zotac> Flannel:: how can it turn out poorly??
[05:36] <Gallomimia> no we have no reason to reformat the server and start over. that's dumb.
[05:36] <motherbrain> how is kernel debugging different then fewing what is in dmesg ... is it you have more control and can kprint at each step ,...etc etc
[05:36] <Gallomimia> alright. here's what do-release-upgrade has yeilded: Checking for a new ubuntu release
[05:36] <Gallomimia> No new release found
[05:36] <asde> When I click open on txt files nothing happen and also for some programs from the start menu won't open up. I'm using lubuntu. No one in lubuntu channel
[05:36] <Gallomimia> so.... not all that prefered :(
[05:36] <Flannel> Gallomimia: What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[05:36] <Gallomimia> 10.04
[05:36] <god-zotac> Flannel:: please don't get a flame war started because i recommend someone the more advanced way to do something over the ubuntu recommended n00b way of doing something.. gosh
[05:37] <Flannel> Gallomimia: and which version are you trying to get to?
[05:37] <Gallomimia> and i don't really care about upgrading except that i'm trying to use a perl script which segfaults perl. so i need updates to perl which are in new releases
[05:37] <Flannel> god-zotac: It's more crude, not more advanced.
[05:37] <Gallomimia> any version where this script works :P
[05:37] <god-zotac> ok.. w/e
[05:38] <Gallomimia> the words you guys are applying to these different methods are subjective, not objective, and biased.
[05:38] <Flannel> Gallomimia: By default, 10.04 will only upgrade to 12.04 (LTS to LTS), so if you want to upgrade to 10.10 (which isn't LTS) or anything later (10.10 and then to 11.04, and then potentially to 11.10), you'll need to tell it that you're willing to jump off the LTS releases.
[05:38] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: really it doesn't matter..
[05:38] <Gallomimia> one takes more skill, and can take less effort
[05:39] <urfr332gO> Gallomimia, and one is a user and one is a opp choose your words carefully. :)
[05:39] <int19h> isnt all thats important that the server does as you want it to ?
[05:39] <xj88> Does anyone here have experience moving away from Unity? I'm just ready to be done with it. Is the modern gnome worth pursuing?
[05:39] <god-zotac> Gallomimia:: the reason i told you that method, was because you asked me how to do it.. i could have lied and said "i don't know" instead i gave you the method i personally use, and i did clarify that it wasn't the ubuntu preferred method.. so i don't see what this goons issue is
[05:39] <motherbrain> curious must you recompile the kernel to use Kernel debugging or is their another way like a patch. I really don't want to have to wait for things to recompile / recompile the stuff right now. But if that is the only way then that is the only way
[05:39] <int19h> xj88: gnome3 is just as bad
[05:40] <Flannel> Gallomimia: If you can last another two months (until late April), then you'll be able to upgrade straight from 10.04 to 12.04.  But it sounds like you may not have that option.
[05:41] <friskd> ok thanks god-zotac
[05:41] <Muelli> xj88: well, you might just give GNOME3 a try. I, for one, like it.
[05:42] <xj88> Muelli: I like evilwm.
[05:42] <int19h> gnome3 feels like an obfuscated unity too me
[05:42] <Flannel> Gallomimia: So, you'll want to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change it from "ask=lts" to "ask=normal", then once you've done that, you can do-release-upgrade to go to 10.10.  Unfortunately, 10.10 does run out of support in April, so you'll likely want to upgrade further.
[05:42] <manojhans> sorry for budding in...but gnome3 is not that bad...
[05:42] <JadedJacob> I want my laptop to boot off a 'live install usb' but there is no option in the bios to boot off USB
[05:42] <Gallomimia> urfr332gO: never speak differently to a human being just because they have more authority than another human being.
[05:42] <LoganShaw> Hey is this general help channel for ubuntu?
[05:42] <urfr332gO> int19h, totally different development teams
[05:43] <Muelli> LoganShaw: yes :)
[05:43] <Gallomimia> LoganShaw: yes.
[05:43] <urfr332gO> Gallomimia, lol you will learn that hierarchies exist my friend.
[05:43] <manojhans> u might need to update your bios
[05:43] <int19h> i know, i do not like gnome3, unity ive learned to live with. i thought gnome3 looked slick, then i tried to use it.... wow, whadda mess
[05:43] <Flannel> urfr332gO: That's really not the case.
[05:43] <god-zotac> urfr332gO::   hierarchy of knowledge means nothing when it comes to channel operator status..
[05:44] <urfr332gO> Flannel, I know here it doesn't, but the comment was broader.
[05:44] <LoganShaw> Okay excellent, I would like to dual boot ubuntu with windows 7, but if I remove ubuntu will the bootloader countdown still be there?
[05:44] <xj88> I hear that Gnome3 has a decent "classic" theme that actually makes it useable. Can anyone verify this?
[05:44] <god-zotac> urfr332gO:: his comment was for the methods, not for the users. he wasn't meaning an insult
[05:44] <Gallomimia> urfr332gO: to speak differently to someone just because they have more authority implies that you are speaking to someone without authority in some kind of condescending way, just because they won't be able to reprimand you. this is a foley. as for the heirarchies and such, i choose to ignore them for reasons of my own.
[05:45] <Muelli> xj88: yeah, that's probably the default ;-) Very classy I'd say
[05:45] <xj88> Muelli: Cool, thanks. Perhaps I will give that a shot.
[05:45] <urfr332gO> god-zotac, nor was it taken as such nor my original comment directed as such, it was pure ego on all of your parts.
[05:46] <Gallomimia> not entirely unfounded, the ego is
[05:46] <manojhans> @LoganShaw: i dont think it will still be there...after you remove ubuntu
[05:46] <Gallomimia> thanks for the help so far guys...
[05:46] <urfr332gO> not that there is anything wrong with that. :)
[05:47] <LoganShaw> because last time I uninstalled ubuntu the ugly bootloader and countdown timer was still there, the choice was between windows 7 or windows 7.
[05:47] <urfr332gO> LoganShaw, if you remove ubuntu you will have no boot.
[05:48] <int19h> LoganShaw: write a default boot loader after you remove ubuntu
[05:48] <eblume> Hello. I have a headless server install that is using a wired ethernet connector. All of a sudden I can't connect to the internet. I can access the LAN just fine, but can't get out. Other computers on the LAN can get out just fine. Any ideas?
[05:48] <int19h> or it will remain
[05:48] <urfr332gO> LoganShaw, unless it is a wubi install.
[05:48] <int19h> hes talking about grub
[05:48] <int19h> grub will still be there if he installed ot to the mbr
[05:49] <urfr332gO> int19h, if you have only W7 and ubuntu grub will not work ig ubuntu is removed, in a dual boot not a wubi.
[05:49] <LoganShaw> okay so use wubi to avoid grub cruff?
[05:49] <urfr332gO> if*
[05:49] <urfr332gO> LoganShaw, no reload tghe ms bootloader to the mbr.
[05:49] <urfr332gO> the
[05:49] <int19h> ummmm, yes it will
[05:50] <urfr332gO> int19h, grub needs the ubuntu grub files to work.
[05:50] <LoganShaw> okay thanks.
[05:50] <Gallomimia> lol: "not that there's anything wrong with that"
[05:50] <urfr332gO> it will nt work on its own unless set up that way, not just mbr load will work. int19h
[05:51] <eblume> Does anyone have any tips on where to start with diagnosing a (headless - no X11 running) networking issue where LAN works fine but no Internet connection? (Other machines are negotiating the gateway just fine.)
[05:51] <christinepea777> anyone know how to run sound eXchange in the background? when i type play file.mp3 &    it will start the sox program but in stopped mode and bg won't bring it out.
[05:51] <int19h> it will come up with a grub prompt at the very least
[05:51] <int19h> but you never know how people "uninstall" linux
[05:52] <int19h> its possible he just removed the kernel or something, and os-probe only detected windows 7
[05:52] <urfr332gO> int19h, but the grub configuration that actually runs the boot will be gone.
[05:52] <int19h> or he may have used that wubi stuff....
[05:52] <Muelli> well christinepea777. You can run it in a screen.
[05:53] <christinepea777> i kind of wanted to run it from the command line
[05:53] <Muelli> christinepea777: sure, no problem with that. Just run it in a screen.
[05:53] <Muelli> !info screen | christinepea777
[05:53] <int19h> tmux > screen
[05:53] <urfr332gO> int19h, I addressed that.
[05:53] <Muelli> yeah, well. I guess I'm a bit oldschool -.-
[05:54] <Ribose> eep
[05:54] <int19h> !info tmux
[05:54] <User0000> hiiii
[05:55] <urfr332gO> User0000, welcome to the dungeon muhaha. :)
[05:55] <int19h> urfr332gO: ive neverthought the "try it out installed in windows!" thing was a good idea. when i first heard about it on the mailing lists, i saw the problems.
[05:55] <User0000> lol you mean lair?
[05:55] <christinepea777> alright i'll try tmux.
[05:56] <Blue1>  I need a good pci sata controller card (NOT PCI-E) -- that works with LInux.  Do NOT need raid.  Suggestions?
[05:56] <eblume> Last try for tonight. :( Is there anyone who can help me troubleshoot why my linux box can't reach the internet but can reach the LAN, while other computers on the LAN can hit the internet?
[05:56] <Muelli> well eblume. How do you know that you can't reach the internet?
[05:56] <urfr332gO> int19h, yeah the devloper himself says don't run long term, it can be transfered to a partition though.
[05:56] <Blue1> eblume: wireless, or wired?
[05:56] <LoganShaw> does ubuntu need a swap file even with 8gb of ram?
[05:56] <int19h> i did try out the wubi thing one time, when i actualy used the uninstaller, the grub loader went away, so i dont know how he uninstalled it, but it shouldnt of left a grub loader giving him the option of windows, and windows
[05:57] <Blue1> LoganShaw: heavens no
[05:57] <eblume> Muelli: It is unable to resolve any names or ping any IP addresses that aren't on the local subnet.
[05:57] <eblume> Blue1: wired.
[05:57] <Blue1> LoganShaw: if you're swapping 8 g you'v e got serious issues.  I would however maybe make a 2-3G swap file.
[05:57] <Muelli> eblume: can you pastebin ifconfig -a? and /etc/resolv.conf?
[05:57] <urfr332gO> int19h, probably had another grub distro is my guess.
[05:58] <Muelli> eblume: and route -n
[05:58] <urfr332gO> more then one
[05:58] <Xeneth> LoganShaw, Swap is also used for hibernate
[05:58] <eblume> Muelli: sure, stand by
[05:58] <LoganShaw> ubuntu absolutely needs a swap file? because I was told the swap file should be two times the size of RAM, which is madness I think
[05:58] <int19h> urfr332gO: possibly
[05:58] <int19h> LoganShaw: that was an old convention
[05:59] <JadedJacob> OK, how about this option.
[05:59] <Muelli> LoganShaw: well. you probably don't need to swap. But I'd better be safe than sorry.
[05:59] <urfr332gO> LoganShaw, only needed for hibernation or if you have low ram, needs to only be equal to ram generally.
[05:59] <int19h> now that physical memory is cheap.... you dont need 2x ;)
[05:59] <Xeneth> LoganShaw, Absolutely?  no.  Recommended. Yes.
[05:59] <Blue1> LoganShaw: what Muelli said
[05:59] <int19h> i generaly try to match my physical memory
[05:59] <eblume> Muelli: http://pastebin.com/TbkD7Phc    - virbr0 is cruft left over from a bridgeutils install, and I'd love to get rid of it. I don't think it's causing this as it's existed before without issue, but yeah, if we can destroy it that would be great.
[06:00] <int19h> on a workstation
[06:00] <JadedJacob> Can I boot off a live cd, and than point to the flash drive and boot off that?
[06:00] <LoganShaw> it is fine in theory but I have an ssd which is why I asked if I could do without swap
[06:00] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, do you have a windows install perchance?
[06:00] <JadedJacob> no HDD
[06:00] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, yes on the cd use plop.
[06:01] <Muelli> hm eblume. And is <IP_ADDRESS> your router? I.e. do you have the same router on the box you're currently connected with?
[06:01] <Xeneth> JadedJacob, The devise to boot from is in the Bios.
[06:01] <int19h> LoganShaw: try and match your physical memory, unless this is a server your talking about
[06:01] <eblume> Muelli: My router is <IP_ADDRESS>, and it begins assigning from <IP_ADDRESS> - the machine in question is <IP_ADDRESS>.
[06:01] <int19h> LoganShaw: if its a desktop and wont ever be hybernated or anything, you can get away with less easily
[06:01] <Xeneth> JadedJacob, When you boot, there should be a button you can press to choose.
[06:01] <eblume> Muelli: and yes, I am typing this on a laptop that is connected to the same router, and this laptop is also SSH'ed in to the broken machine.
[06:01] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, this will boot a thumb, http://www.plop.at/
[06:01] <LoganShaw> int19h: okay thanks, sound advice
[06:02] <Muelli> hm eblume. Because the configured router is .0. Weird.
[06:02] <Muelli> eblume: what the output of host ubuntu.com <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:02] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, thumb=a usb
[06:02] <eblume> Muelli: I agree, that is weird! So far, 'host <...>' is hanging.
[06:03] <eblume> Muelli: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[06:03] <JadedJacob> I'VE TRIED plop boot loader, it just freezes
[06:03] <Muelli> hm eblume. interesting indeed.
[06:03] <Muelli> eblume: and well, I'd try to add the router by hand for testing purposes, i.e. ip route add <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 or the like. I don't know the correct syntax, it's weird anyway.
[06:03] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, what is the gpu and cpu on the computer
[06:04] <urfr332gO> chip and ram
[06:04] <Muelli> eblume: but after you've smashed two or three keyboards because of the frustration, you'll be able to add a new route and delete the old .0 one.
[06:04] <eblume> Muelli: is DHCP inserting this bogus .0 router?
[06:05] <Muelli> eblume: maybe. We don't know yet. Let's do one thing after another. First trying to manually configure the route and check whether that works.
[06:05] <eblume> Muelli: Ok, so I guess I'll need to dig up the correct incantation to get ip to route to the right address?
[06:06] <Muelli> eblume: yes. There is "ip" which is supposed to be easy...
[06:06] <eblume> Muelli: I just rebooted and route -n changed. Would you like to see the new one?
[06:06] <Xeneth> eblume, are you talking about a cisco rtr with an IOS?
[06:06] <Muelli> eblume: alternatively, you can try to use "route" but I consider that  even worse.
[06:07] <Muelli> eblume: yes.
[06:07] <eblume> Xeneth: No.
[06:07] <JadedJacob> athlon xp 2200 mobile
[06:07] <JadedJacob> geforce 4 420 2go
[06:07] <eblume> Muelli: http://pastebin.com/iGfubU17
[06:08] <eblume> Xeneth: it's a Motorola SBG6580 or something close to that, a Wireless-N router, although this connection is wireless.
[06:08] <eblume> router + modem I should say.
[06:08] <Muelli> ah, interesting eblume. Sure, the old route didn't have a default gateway, stupid me...
[06:08] <Muelli> eblume: and now it works I presume..?
[06:08] <eblume> Muelli: is that something we can fix? I'm in the dark here
[06:08] <eblume> Muelli: oh wow it did I didn't even bother trying! What happened?
[06:09] <eblume> Muelli: I've rebooted dozens of times.
[06:09] <eblume> Muelli: not sure why this one fixed everything?!
[06:09] <Muelli> eblume: now you do have have a default gateway, i.e. the machine that your linux will send packets to in case it doesn't know a better route. And well, the reasons lie in the dark of your copper cables I presume.
[06:09] <Xeneth> eblume, In line 6, it looks like the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 is being routed to IP <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <Muelli> eblume: FWIW: I have weird issues with my laptop, i.e. sometimes the kernel doesn't see DHCP packets, although they are on the wire. I doubt that's your issue though.
[06:10] <eblume> Xeneth: standby, I'll confirm that.
[06:10] <ksus> #ksus
[06:10] <eblume> Muelli: no you're probably right. My router decided to completely lose all of its EEPROM today, like a factory reset.
[06:10] <eblume> Muelli: I'm worried now that it is dieing. :(
[06:11] <Muelli> eblume: you might want to check NetworkManager for details, i.e. let it produce a log and check it once you have this failure again.
[06:11] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, hard to tell the chip speed and ram from that info really.
[06:11] <asde> Anything working to record screen of computer in ubuntu beside recordmydesktop and kazam?
[06:11] <bobo37773> asde: ffmpeg
[06:12] <urfr332gO> JadedJacob, I think you may be well below ubuntu running hard to tell though.
[06:12] <CFHowlett> asde   instanbul also
[06:12] <eblume> Xeneth: I'm not really sure what to say - it all seems to be working? It sure does LOOK like it's routing <IP_ADDRESS>/28 to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:12] <Muelli> asde: GNOME3 does once you press Ctrl+Shift+R.
[06:12] <eblume> er, /24
[06:12] <Muelli> asde: you can try Istanbul as well. Quite good, but no sound recording.
[06:12] <eblume> Muelli: Anyway thanks for your help! I'm very upset that the fix was 'turning it off and on again', 'specially since I did that about a dozen times before I cam here.
[06:13] <eblume> Muelli: I guess I just needed your healing words.
[06:13] <Muelli> eblume: heh. Next time, try dhcplient, too.
[06:13] <Muelli> dhclient that is
[06:13] <eblume> Muelli: Is that not what Ubuntu uses by default? I'm not familiar.
[06:14] <hammommah> im using lubuntu and when i type echo $PRINTER i get no listings? yet i can print fine from within xdm and printer is installed correctly
[06:14] <Muelli> yes eblume, it is. but you can trigger it yourself and watch the output flowing by potentially seeing smth strange.
[06:14] <Muelli> hammommah: what do you want to achieve?
[06:14] <justin_> hi
[06:14] <eblume> Muelli: I see. What would the invocation be for that? It looks... robust.
[06:14] <Muelli> eblume: dhclient -v
[06:14] <CFHowlett> justin_   greetings
[06:15] <Muelli> hammommah: lpstat -a ?
[06:15] <eblume> Muelli: I assume it would need to be run as root to set up the proper settings on the device?
[06:15] <Muelli> very correct eblume.
[06:15] <eblume> Muelli: Ok, thank you very much. Have a nice night/day/appropriate time!
[06:15] <hammommah> #Muelli its listed there
[06:16] <justin_> I have a problem. My webcam works great on skype, but when i try to use an internet application like tinychat, it doesn't let me click "accept". If someone could help me solve this problem it would be greatly appreciated
[06:16] <hammommah> im guessing lubuntu uses $lpstat as deamon instead of $printer
[06:16] <Muelli> hammommah: I don't think I understand you well. But feel free to ask more and more detailed questions.
[06:18] <CFHowlett> justin_   see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrDT52xFCGk
[06:18] <hammommah> im doing module on linux and lession describes how you can echo $printer and get list of avalible printers. its just that command shows no printers listed. i tried echo${tab}{tab} and listed all possible listings and $printer isnt there just wondering why if my printers installed and working correctly
[06:19] <stiltzkin> Hi folks. Hoping someone here knows a thing or two about Ubuntu's performance with flash media. I experience extremely slow file transfers when using any flash-based device, including thumb drives, camera cards, my phone, etc. Usually for, say, a 400MB file, the first 390MB will copy over in seconds, but the last 10MB appears to take much, much longer - sometimes over a half an hour for instance. Anyone know what causes this and if it
[06:19] <stiltzkin>  can be fixed?
[06:19] <Muelli> hammommah: as you've seen: lpstat -a lists you your printers.
[06:19] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: Does your bios support disabling legacy usb support?
[06:19] <hammommah> why is it different? is my question
[06:20] <Muelli> hammommah: why should it?
[06:20] <Muelli> or better: shouldn't it
[06:20] <stiltzkin> bobo37773, not sure, is that something that should be disabled?
[06:20] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: it may improve your transfer speeds
[06:21] <Muelli> well stiltzkin. I think this is a feature. I guess the everything that's about to be written gets cached. And at some stage it actually needs to be flushed to the device. And when nothing needs to be written to memory but the device only, it might feel like it slows down.
[06:21] <hammommah> i was under impression these basic shell commands are similar with all flavours of linux? ubuntu uses ipstat instead im guessing
[06:22] <Muelli> there was a command to show the transfer speed on the actual block device. I forgot which it was though. But, stiltzkin, you might be able to find it and check the i/o rate on the device.
[06:22] <Muelli> hammommah: instead of what?
[06:22] <stiltzkin> Muelli, I don't have this problem in Windows with the same devices though. File operations are smooth and actually are a reasonable indication of how long the transfer is going to take. If I remember correctly on previous installations the copy dialog always showed the transfer speed, and it would drop off substantially toward the end of the transfer.
[06:22] <justin_> thanks CFHowlett, i will check it out
[06:23] <CFHowlett> justin_   good luck.
[06:23] <hammommah> hmmm good point. wehy doesnt echo $PRINTER work then?
[06:23] <Muelli> hammommah: simply because nobody set that environment variable for you. If you want that, export it yourself in your ~/.bashrc or /etc/profile or the like.
[06:24] <Muelli> stiltzkin: *shrug* Just giving you some hint as to how to debug this issue (if it is one).
[06:24] <Gitzo> hi
[06:24] <hammommah> bahahaha i been sitting here too long. i forgot $PRINTER is a shell variable ty very much
[06:25] <CFHowlett> Gitzo   greetigns
[06:25] <CFHowlett> *greetings*
[06:25] <chipotle> so, i just installed windows7 and then ubuntu, and now how do i get grub to let me decide between windows or ubuntu?
[06:25] <stiltzkin> Muelli, I appreciate it...I just don't think this is a "feature," it really seems like a consistent problem with how flash transfers are handled. I'd think it's my hardware but I've had this problem on several different machines, and several versions of Ubuntu
[06:25] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: probably a kernel regression. You can look up some grub options for your kernel.
[06:26] <CFHowlett> chipotle   when you boot, you don't see the grub menu?
[06:26] <Random833> what's a good password management tool? i tried keepass on mono and didn't like it
[06:26] <urfr332gO> stiltzkin, just for a comment never happens on my setup.
[06:26] <chipotle> CFHowlett: no
[06:26] <urfr332gO> Random833, pwgen
[06:26] <chipotle> sometimes it appears, every other boot it seems
[06:26] <stiltzkin> urfr332gO, so when you copy a large file to a flash drive, it does not freeze up toward the end of the transfer or wait until the very end to do the actual copying?
[06:26] <Muelli> Random833: seahorse
[06:26] <Xeneth> chipotle, It should come up with the menu of choices before loading OS..
[06:27] <Xeneth> chipotle, In Ubuntu, do you see the partition of your windows?
[06:27] <urfr332gO> stiltzkin, no and I have usb2 multiple thumbs and 2 external HD's
[06:27] <chipotle> Xeneth: it says unallocated
[06:27] <Muelli> stiltzkin: well. I don't think I have this issue using GNOME. But then again, I don't use that flash media. And I doubt it's a genuine flash problem. Only a special case where actual writing is slow (hence the slowdown with the cache flush)
[06:27] <CFHowlett> chipotle   chipotle do you multiples hdd's or something?
[06:27] <chipotle> CFHowlett: now that are plugged in
[06:27] <urfr332gO> stiltzkin, but this is usually media like movies and music if that helps.
[06:27] <stiltzkin> urfr332gO, interesting. Yeah this only happens to me with flash-based media though, I have plenty of external hard disks that never show this problem.
[06:28] <Muelli> and yaeh stiltzkin. Your time-left indication might be buggy. So it might be worth reporting a bug.
[06:28] <Xeneth> chipotle, I am getting the feeling you may have deleted windows partion when installing Ubuntu
[06:28] <chipotle> Xeneth: how, i resized the partition and installed on the other partition
[06:28] <chipotle> Xeneth: would grub appear only if i had multiple OSes?
[06:28] <chipotle> or does it always appear?
[06:28] <stiltzkin> Muelli, that's what I thought as well, but still...20 minutes to copy 417MB to a flash drive? That is not USB 2.0 speed at all.
[06:28] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: does the same thing happen if you foramt your flash drive to ext4 or similar?
[06:29] <Muelli> hm. true stiltzkin. Maybe check whether it's connected via USB 1. lsusb or the like
[06:29] <stiltzkin> bobo37773, Yes, I believe so.
[06:29] <urfr332gO> stiltzkin, yeah, mine are all ntfs the hd and fat on the tumbs.
[06:29] <Gitzo> using wubi..  can you use that to run ubuntu inside windows just as you would in virtualbox?
[06:29] <Xeneth> chipotle, It does not alway's get installed.  My laptop is Ubuntu only, no grub.  That's why It sounds like the deleted partition, and the unallocated space.
[06:29] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: Have you tested it?
[06:30] <Muelli> hm. no. lsusb doesn't seem to help. But you'll figure out.
[06:30] <chipotle> Xeneth: does grub get installed automatically?
[06:30] <urfr332gO> Gitzo, wubi runs as a boot not a virtual,
[06:30] <stiltzkin> bobo37773, not for a while, but I think when I originally had this problem I tried formatting a thumb drive to ext3/ext4 to see if that helped and it did not
[06:30] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: oh okay gotcha
[06:30] <Gitzo> urfr332gO: ok
[06:31] <Xeneth> chipotle, yes, I do not know the details, but it installs automatic with my desktop.
[06:31] <stiltzkin> bobo37773, in any case that won't help for my phone sdcard, has to be fat32, as do most of my drives for compatibility with Windows :/
[06:31] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: I had this problem a while back when I had my old laptop. I understand the frustration
[06:31] <urfr332gO> Gitzo, it is just a file in windows, but you can virtualbox in windows.
[06:31] <CFHowlett> Gitzo   wubi is NOT a long-term ubuntu solution - so sayeth the developer.
[06:31] <bobo37773> stiltzkin: I tried everything and there was no solution for me. But, I could not disable legacy usb in my bios either.
[06:31] <urfr332gO> CFHowlett, hallelujah brother. :)
[06:32] <CFHowlett> urfr332gO   see the pm
[06:32] <makara> hi. How can I detect if ubuntu is using my graphics card's capabilities, NVIDIA?
[06:32] <neersighted> Do you have the drivers  installed?