[00:24] <B0g4r7> Did something happen to gnome-system-monitor in 18.04?  I can't seem to find it.
[00:25] <Bashing-om> !info gnome-system-monitor bionic
[00:27] <B0g4r7> Not installed by default huh.  Fixed easily enough, but unexpected.
[00:29] <Bashing-om> boxmein: Alls well that ends well :)
[01:07] <mmarconm> how i configure domain on ubuntu 18.04 netplan ?
[01:22] <samvup> hey
[01:22] <zerabat> hey, what's up?
[01:29] <NerdTheThird> ceiling
[01:33] <Draconiator> Is it possible to remove packages I don't need from Lubuntu if it came with it?
[01:34] <slidinghorn> mmarconm: what exactly are you trying to configure?
[01:34] <slidinghorn> Draconiator: Some packages are tied to the "core" which could cause issues.  One way to test if a package you don't want is going to remove others is to try   apt remove -s <packagename>   - the -s flag simulates the action
[01:34] <mmarconm> domain like in interfaces dns-domain and dns-search
[01:35] <mmarconm> slidinghorn: domain like in interfaces dns-domain and dns-search
[01:45] <maetthew> Anyone know why I'm getting the following error message when trying to install nfs-common?
[01:45] <maetthew> "Package nfs-common is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[01:47] <maetthew> nvm i might have figured it out
[01:48] <Bashing-om> maetthew: When you get there, tell us more :)
[01:48] <maetthew> Bashing-om: Well. I seem to have borked apt somehow
[01:50] <maetthew> https://gist.github.com/11a244e24be5d730e2165cf0c6ceac3f
[01:50] <Bashing-om> maetthew: Ouch - that hurts .. looking .
[01:50] <maetthew> I have literally no clue how that happened..
[01:50] <maetthew> Or how to fix it
[01:55] <Bashing-om> maetthew: ' ls -al /etc/apt ' . does it look like mine : https://termbin.com/5f5n
[01:56] <maetthew> Bashing-om: nope only an empty sources.list
[01:56] <maetthew> wtf
[02:02] <Bashing-om> maetthew: Yukkie .. well, maybe wget apt from the library, and dpkg to re-install ?
[02:03] <maetthew> Bashing-om: Yeah I'll have to try something like that
[02:03] <maetthew> Thanks
[02:04] <dahlia> I'd like to try KVMGT (virtualized Intel GPUs) and I'm looking at this page: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/wiki/GVTg_Setup_Guide  I have kubuntu 18.04 (it was 16.04 but I upgraded it yestarday). Those docs I linked state "NOTICE: For KVMGT, you also can use the current upstream Linux kernel and QEMU directly since all the enabling patches have been upstreamed." How can I find out if the kernel and qemu I have supports this, or do I need to build
[02:04] <dahlia> the kernel and qemu as per their instructions?
[02:04] <dahlia> uname says: 4.15.0-43-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 6 14:45:28 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:28] <qwebirc88687> Hello
[02:28] <qwebirc88687> Where can I ask a question?
[02:29] <Bashing-om> qwebirc88687: If it is ubuntu related .. here is a good place to ask .
[02:29] <qwebirc88687> Well I meant should I post it here or I should contact somebody specific :D
[02:29] <qwebirc88687> and yes it is ubuntu related
[02:30] <qwebirc88687> I used to have a freenas with ubunto on my hdd raid array
[02:30] <Bashing-om> qwebirc88687: Just state the issue, as someone knows they will respond.
[02:30] <qwebirc88687> Since I didnt use it that much I put the Hdds in different computers with windows
[02:30] <qwebirc88687> I formated the hdds under windows
[02:30] <qwebirc88687> and now I get this grum rescue error
[02:31] <qwebirc88687> I've made some research and everyone is tellingf that I should try with windows boot cd or usb to fix the table
[02:32] <qwebirc88687> the problem is when I start the cd or usb it freezes on starting windows
[02:32] <qwebirc88687> its been like that for more than half an hour
[02:34] <Bashing-om> qwebirc88687: And ubuntu no longer exits in your system(s) ? in that case ask in ##windows how to re-install the boot code .
[02:35] <qwebirc88687> Bashing-om: Okay thank you
[02:35] <Bashing-om> qwebirc88687: :) .
[02:50] <keychain> hello how can i make bootable usb?
[02:50] <keychain> of ubuntu? 8)
[02:51] <keychain> my cpu is 1.2GHz, i can’t install ubuntu? :(
[02:52] <Bashing-om> !install
[02:58] <keychain> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO   <— i can make bootable usb with this tool?
[02:59] <ikatamoonshots> @keychain use search engines, first result for "ubuntu usb install windows"  https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[02:59] <ikatamoonshots> :)
[03:03] <keychain> thanks ikatamoonshots  :)
[03:03] <ikatamoonshots> have fun, ubuntu is awesome xD
[03:03] <keychain> ok :)
[03:11] <keychain> how can i make dual boothing laptop?
[03:11] <keychain> can i get link related?
[03:11] <keychain> windows + ubuntu
[03:15] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | keychain
[03:20] <keychain> Bashing-om: i will use windows 10 + ubuntu instead of mac + ubuntu
[03:21] <keychain> Bashing-om: then first link?
[03:22] <Bashing-om> keychain: Affirmed, 1st link.
[03:22] <keychain> ah good
[03:23] <keychain> Install Ubuntu after Windows
[03:23] <keychain> first windows second ubuntu
[03:23] <keychain> 8)
[04:29] <BenderRodriguez> Help
[04:30] <BenderRodriguez> I upgraded from 16.04 lts to 18.04 lts
[04:30] <BenderRodriguez> it looks like it also migrated my old /etc/intework/interfaces configs into the new upgrade without the use of netplan
[04:31] <BenderRodriguez> but here's the problem, i have dns-nameservers defined in the interfaces file, but upon reboot or network restart, it doesn't seem to be updating /etc/resolv.conf with the DNS nameserver entries
[04:31] <BenderRodriguez> and netplan doesn't seem to be used in this case
[05:24] <fareast> ok been on gnome extensions and on ocs store is that stuff all legit there?
[05:38] <tomreyn> fareast: there are plenty of outdated and broken gnome extensions, and their support level is never defined, how to trust them i don't know. i'd say treat them as entirely unsupported and untrusted, which probably means you should not use them.
[05:39] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what 'ocs' is
[05:54] <doge-doge> is it a good idea to keep write caching off on my ssd? I mean, I do have a ups...
[05:54] <doge-doge> is there a noticeable increase in performance?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> doge-doge: these days you can just use your ssd fine by default in ubuntu
[05:57] <doge-doge> write caching is off by default
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> doge-doge: can this help? https://linuxconfig.org/improve-hard-drive-write-speed-with-write-back-caching
[06:02] <doge-doge> hmm that's odd, it says it's on but the setting is unchecked in gnome-disks
[06:09] <k_sze[work]> erm, I have Ubuntu 18.04, and installed kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-full to try KDE.
[06:10] <k_sze[work]> I switched back to GNOME and now I get some weird behaviours: 1. mouse cursor is somehow KDE style when I hover at certain things. 2. gvim's status line doesn't display correctly sometimes.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> k_sze[work]: its okay to test different desktop/flavors on your current system, but reccomended if you like one, to clean install it to avoid scrambled packages
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> k_sze[work]: the more desktop you mix, the more chance of packages and behaviour mixing up
[06:18] <newpy> I have a bit of an odd problem, I had no audio in virtualbox6.x with ubuntu18.04
[06:19] <newpy> I found a possible fix online, edited /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[06:19] <newpy> added the line `options snd-intel8x0 ac97_clock=48000`
[06:19] <newpy> that brought sound back but it was choppy (and so was the video)
[06:20] <ZaZaQR> hi
[06:21] <newpy> any ideas?
[06:25] <slidinghorn>  newpy: Not really sure...did sound work on the version of virtualbox that came in the repositories?
[06:27] <leonardus> How do I switch to using the proprietary AMD video drivers?
[06:27] <leonardus> how do I check if I'm using them in the first place?
[06:31] <Bashing-om> leonardus: There are no longer "proprietary" AMD drivers . There is a proprietary overlay for supported cards; that is generally discouraged . What shows ' lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[06:32] <leonardus> Bashing-om: https://termbin.com/ivr6
[06:32] <leonardus> I want to install this software and it says ", we require the proprietary driver from AMD or NVIDIA to run X-Plane. You may be able to get X-Plane to run on the Mesa/Gallium driver with an Intel GPU, but this is unsupported.  We absolutely do not support the fully open source drivers for AMD and NVIDIA."
[06:32] <leonardus> https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-11-system-requirements/
[06:33] <Bashing-om> leonardus: Yup. that confirms that you are tunning the amdgpu driver . what do you hipe to gain with the overlay - AMDGPU-PRO ?
[06:34] <Bashing-om> runnung*
[06:34] <leonardus> well it says "We absolutely do not support the fully open source drivers for AMD and NVIDIA."
[06:34] <leonardus> so I think I need amdgpu-pro
[06:35] <leonardus> also some games are crashing when I try to start them
[06:35] <leonardus> I think my installation of drivers is buggy or something
[06:36] <Bashing-om> leonardus: How old is that documentation ? As there are NO propritaary drivers for AMD. AMD drivers are now open source and provided in the kernel .
[06:37] <Bashing-om> leonardus: Biffy driver. what shows ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[06:38] <leonardus> https://termbin.com/jc5x
[06:38] <leonardus> also when I'm playing videos on YouTube, I can see the program that's behind firefox at about 99% transparency, so very faintly. But when I pause it, it goes away. so I thnk that's another driver bug
[06:40] <Bashing-om> leonardus: gpu-manager does not see a problem . might look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log see if X sees any issues .
[06:43] <leonardus> Bashing-om: I think that log file is old, because it says stuff about NVIDIA, and at the end it says "Server terminated successfully".
[06:45] <leonardus> there's one at /home/ubuntu/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
[06:45] <leonardus> Bashing-om: here is its output: https://termbin.com/jzr8
[06:46] <Bashing-om> leonardus: Yeah that is the new location . what release is this we are working with ?
[06:46] <leonardus> I think it's 18.04.1, but I'm not entirely sure.
[06:46] <leonardus> I'm running upstream GNOME I think, if that makes a difference
[06:49] <Bashing-om> leonardus: getting sorta lost .. the log reflects vt.handoff=1 .. and also that "using VT number 2" . what us the deal here ? - as I continue reading the file .
[06:49]  * leonardus shrugs
[06:49] <leonardus> I have two monitors that might have something to do with it
[06:49] <leonardus> I don't know much about this stuff though
[06:53] <Bashing-om> leonardus: The log also show the pro driver :) what returns ' sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/64/amdgpu_pm_info | grep GPU\ Load ' ?
[06:54] <leonardus> cat: /sys/kernel/debug/dri/64/amdgpu_pm_info: No such file or directory
[06:54] <leonardus> there is one at /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/amdgpu_pm_info, here is its output: https://termbin.com/0cnc
[07:01] <tomreyn> leonardus: regarding opencl support, you may want to look into mesa-opencl-icd if you don't mind the "We absolutely do not support the fully open source drivers for AMD and NVIDIA." Alternatively, you can read up on https://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas/amdgpu.html and potentially viloate AMD's licensing terms (have not checked) and use only those proprietary parts you need to. you could then use those by prefixing any opencl commands with
[07:01] <tomreyn> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/amdgpu-pro/lib64
[07:01] <tomreyn> obviously neither is really supported and the latter is very much a hack.
[07:03] <Bashing-om> leonardus: Again X seems happy . See tomreyn's comments up .
[07:08] <leonardus> here is an error I get when trying to run a game: symbol lookup error: /opt/amdgpu/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdrm_amdgpu.so.1: undefined symbol: drmGetNodeTypeFromFd
[07:08] <leonardus> what could cause that?
[07:09] <tizon> hi, I'm having trouble upgrading from ubuntu 16 to 18
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> tizon: detail up whats going on mate?
[07:10] <tizon> lotuspsychje: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> tizon: could you pastebin the errors to the channel so volunteers can take a look?
[07:10] <tizon> yeah, on it
[07:10] <tizon> thanks
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[07:11] <tizon> https://pastebin.com/CUFdRJF6
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> tizon: is your current 16.04 up to date to latest?
[07:12] <tizon> I think so, I did update & upgrade
[07:13] <slidinghorn> tizon: what was the *exact* command you ran?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> tizon: its also reccomended to disable external ppa's or leftovers
[07:14] <tizon> slidinghorn: to get the output I pasted:  sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:14] <tizon> lotuspsychje: will this uninstall them?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> tizon: we dont support the use of external ppa's here, so yes its reccomended you uninstall the packages + the ppa's matching them
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | tizon
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | tizon afterwards
[07:16] <tizon> how can I identify external ppas?
[07:16] <slidinghorn> tizon: ok...I wanted to make sure you didn't use a -d or -p
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> tizon: your sources.list will list all your sources, recalling what you added to your system is also handy
[07:18] <tizon> should I paste my sources.list?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> tizon: if you like, sure we can take a look for you
[07:18] <slidinghorn> tizon: we already saw them...hold on a sec....
[07:19] <slidinghorn> tizon: these are all sources for unsupported software that you currently have enabled: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c4TGfN4gpX/
[07:19] <tizon> ros map frame
[07:19] <tizon> sorry, ignore that
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> tizon: can you also doublecheck: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[07:20] <tizon> slidinghorn: ok, do I have to uninstall them? installing cuda was a pain
[07:20] <tizon> lotuspsychje: will do
[07:21] <tizon> slidinghorn: how is Hit http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease                unsupported?
[07:21] <slidinghorn> tizon: ah, sorry, I didn't catch all of them...that one *is* an official repo
[07:22] <tizon> ros map frame
[07:22] <tizon> lotuspsychje: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:23] <tizon> how can I reinstall them later?
[07:27] <tizon> Can I restore them easily or will I have to reinstall them manually?
[07:27] <tomreyn> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit bionic
[07:28] <tomreyn> well, i think it does, dear ubottu
[07:29] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/nvidia-cuda-toolkit
[07:30] <tomreyn> tizon: i have no idea whether or how well this works, but i would think this is the package you should try first of all after upgrading, or maybe after reinstalling (if you have an unpackaged cuda-installation now)
[07:31] <tizon> thanks tomreyn
[07:32] <Bashing-om> leonardus: Sorry, I do not have the AMD expereince to say further .
[07:36] <tomreyn> tizon: looking again, this version is probably older than the one you want, it seems that most people want 9.2+ or 10.0. so you may need a ppa or do with nvidia installer scripts (both unsupported here).
[07:38] <tomreyn> looks like nvidia provides a repository as discussed at https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/How-To-Install-CUDA-10-together-with-9-2-on-Ubuntu-18-04-with-support-for-NVIDIA-20XX-Turing-GPUs-1236/
[07:47] <Mrokii> Hello. Silly question, but I can't remember the name of the file that defines partitions and their assignments, (like /home and such). what was the name again? I need to edit it and *should* know the name, but it slipped my mind for some reason...
[07:48] <tomreyn> Mrokii: you're looking for the "file system table", configuration files are in /etc
[07:48] <tomreyn> so this is /etc/fstab
[07:49] <Mrokii> tomreyn: Ah yes! Thanks! That's what I needed. :-D
[07:49] <tomreyn> Mrokii: careful about what you edit there, this can break the system from booting if you do it wrong
[07:50] <tomreyn> also, depending on what you'll change, you may also want / need to run other commands / update other configuration files.
[07:51] <Mrokii> tomreyn: I know, I've been editing that file before on several occasions.
[07:51] <tomreyn> ok :)
[07:52] <Mrokii> It was just that I completely forgot the actual filename. :-D Really weird.
[07:53] <AndyChow888> It's not the most intuitive name. And, if you use encryption, don't forget /etc/crypttab
[07:53] <Mrokii> AndyChow888: I don't, but thanks for the tip. I may need that at some point in the future.
[07:53] <slidinghorn> AndyChow888: it's not terribly cryptic though "file system tables"
[07:54] <AndyChow888> slidinghorn, it is and isn't. Unix terminology is obvious when you know it, impossible to guess when you don't.
[07:55] <Mrokii> AndyChow888: I'd agree on that.
[07:56] <Mrokii> Anyhow, I must leave. Have a nice day you all. :) And happy holidays or whatever else lies ahead of you. :)
[07:56] <tomreyn> Mrokii: next time you forget something like this, if you do remember it has to do with file systems and is a configuration file (section 5 of man pages), you could: apropos -s 5 'filesystem'
[07:56] <tomreyn> see you
[07:57] <Mrokii> tomreyn: I'll note that in my Linux-hints-file. May be useful for other purposes as well. Bye
[07:58] <Aleric> Hi, what is a good drawing program? I want to make a drawing with boxes, arrows, some text labels, maybe a little circle... Not free hand drawing :p
[07:58] <Aleric> Even having a snap grid would be a huge pre
[07:59] <slidinghorn> Aleric: Inkscape, maybe Krita (? never used it), or maybe GIMP (though shapes aren't necessarily its forte)
[07:59] <tomreyn> Aleric: also libreoffice draw
[08:00] <AndyChow888> Might be overkill, but yEd.
[08:01] <AndyChow888> yEd is a graph editor, sort of like Visio.
[08:03] <AndyChow888> Depends your use-case. I mean, you could go all the way to TikZ, for full drawing capabilities (in a logical way).
[08:04] <Aleric> Trying to install librecad, I get:
[08:04] <Aleric> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:04] <Aleric>  lldb-6.0 : Depends: python-lldb-6.0 but it is not installed
[08:04] <Aleric> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:05] <Aleric> But, when run the latter - it errors out without fixing anything :/
[08:05] <Aleric> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/python-lldb-6.0_1%3a6.0-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[08:05] <Aleric>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lldb', which is also in package python-lldb-3.5 1:3.5.2-3ubuntu1
[08:05] <AndyChow888> What's the latter error?
[08:05] <tomreyn> !paste | Aleric
[08:05] <AndyChow888> Oh, famous python 2 vs 3 error.
[08:06] <Aleric> How to fix?   Kubuntu can use either xzoom or kmag to do this as well
[08:17] <slidinghorn> gambl0r3: second, stop abusing the people who are trying to help you.
[08:18] <gambl0r3> slidinghorn, he instigated. its over.
[08:18] <tomreyn> kde's accessibility tools are said to provide desktop zoom + magnifiers
[08:19] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-mag.html.en
[08:21] <Aleric> liblldb-6.0 lldb lldb-6.0 python-lldb-6.0
[08:22] <Aleric> I think I repaired my system.. I had lldb installed, which had dragged in python-lldb-3.5 lldb-3.5 .. and more(?), note the 3.5. While now I need 6.0 to be installed.
[08:23] <Aleric> need to reboot...
[08:49] <Aleric> Did everyone go quiet or is there a problem with my irc?
[08:49] <Aleric> nm, I finally see chat on another channel :p
[08:54] <danieleD> hi all
[08:54] <danieleD> I have a machine running ubuntu 18.10 with desktop sharing activated on port 5900
[08:54] <danieleD> there's a way to avtivate and deactivate it via ssh?
[08:55] <danieleD> i tryed to run gnome-control-center via ssh ( -X and -Y) but it says core dump error
[08:56] <danieleD> the error was: ERROR:../shell/cc-panel-list.c:926:cc_panel_list_set_active_panel: assertion failed: (data != NULL)
[08:58] <tomreyn> danieleD: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1766799 suggests this was since fixed. is your system fully patched?
[09:01] <danieleD> i'll try thaks
[09:27] <anddam> howdy, is there a selection for GUI editor?
[09:28] <anddam> I expected something aking to x-editor
[09:28] <anddam> or a specific name I should be using for such a selection?
[09:35] <tomreyn> anddam: it seems to depends on the installed graphical desktops. my 18.04 system provides this via update-alternatives (which is, i'm guessing, what you were asking about): gnome-text-editor
[09:35] <anddam> tomreyn: I'm using Pantheon DE
[09:35] <anddam> I see how that would fit in gnome
[09:36] <anddam> but there's no "proper" x-text-editor, right?
[09:36] <anddam> tomreyn: thanks
[09:37] <tomreyn> not that i know of
[09:56] <danieleD> tomreyn I update the system. now from remote ssh the gnome-control-center show a blank page
[09:57] <danieleD> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[09:57] <tomreyn> danieleD: you should probably restart the desktop, or better the system if it wasn't updated for six months.
[10:01] <isene> After upgrading from Ubuntu 18.04 to 18.10, mutt fails on login to imap.gmail.com. With debug level 3, I get that it fails here: [2018-12-21 10:34:54] 5< a0001 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Invalid credentials (Failure)
[10:01] <isene> I also get this when trying to log in manually via Ruby/irb: OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError: SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=error: certificate verify failed (self signed certificate)
[10:01] <isene> from /usr/lib/ruby/2.5.0/net/protocol.rb:44:in `connect_nonblock'
[10:01] <isene> But the certificate seems to be there and work as openssl has no complaints (with openssl s_client -host imap.gmail.com -port 993)
[10:01] <isene> Any pointers?
[10:02] <danieleD> ok
[10:05] <pragomer> my lightning addon (v. <IP_ADDRESS>) of thunderbird (v. 60.2.1) is in english. how can I change it to german?
[10:06] <danieleD> nope... it remains blank...
[10:37] <kale> how do i change my hostname? i tried editing /etc/hostname but once the system reboots, it picks up the old hostname again. is there another file the hostname is stored in?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> !hostname | kale
[10:39] <kale> now that is weird. why can i not set it in /etc/hostname as on every other *nix?
[10:40] <kale> i see no obligation to have my hostname in /etc/hosts, also the hostname picked in the installer is not in /etc/hosts
[10:40] <Ben64> most distros are different in how it is set
[10:41] <kale> is there some initscript that alters the /etc/hostname file on shutdown?
[10:41] <Ben64> you should follow the steps ubottu listed for best results
[10:44] <kale> did not work
[10:45] <Ben64> it does work
[10:45] <Ben64> can you explain what didn't
[10:46] <kale> but it did not work, is there some special magic happening with sudo that i do not know about? i am logging in as root, not as other using and sudoing stuff
[10:46] <kale> i ran hostname <myhost>, after that hostname command gave my new hostname
[10:46] <kale> i edited /etc/hostname with the same value, then cat'ed the file. it had the new name
[10:47] <kale> i added "<IP_ADDRESS> <myhost>" to /etc/hosts
[10:47] <kale> then rebooted and my old hostname was restored
[10:48] <Ben64> you must have something else going on then
[10:48] <kale> could this be ubuntu not properly releasing its dhcp lease, so it later on picks up its old name from the dhcp server?
[10:48] <TJ-> kale: in /etc/hosts it's generally better to set it using "<IP_ADDRESS> hostname" just so as not to mess with the '<IP_ADDRESS> localhost;
[10:49] <kale> TJ-: in general, your hostname is not needed in /etc/hosts
[10:49] <TJ-> kale: depends on what tools are in use and how they query for the hostname
[10:49] <kale> not for changing you hostname
[10:50] <TJ-> kale: anything using gethostbyname() is affected by it
[10:50] <kale> if its not in /etc/hosts, then DNS will be asked
[10:53] <kale> yes, thats it. ubuntu dhcp, does not properly release it dhcp lease on shutdown... shrugs
[10:54] <TJ-> kale: is the system using NetworkManager or systemd-networkd? NetworkManager keeps the leases files and attempts to reuse them, so changing the hostname without NM being aware could cause that
[10:54] <TJ-> kale: see /var/lib/NetworkManager/ for the leases files
[10:55] <kale> i actually do not know what it uses, its a fresh server installation
[10:55] <TJ-> server will use systemd-networkd
[10:58] <ramsub07> Hello, is bash script sequential or parallel with respect to different lines?
[10:58] <kale> sequential
[10:58] <mjayk> sequential
[10:58] <ramsub07> thanks
[10:58] <kale> ramsub07: add a "&" in the end of the line, and it will run in the background
[10:59] <ramsub07> kale: I actually want it to be sequential :)
[11:00] <ramsub07> also, what is the fastest way to copy into a mounted directory, that doesn't preserve the owner and groups of a particular file ?
[11:01] <kale> i guess cp, but sometimes tar cf - <dir>|(cd dest; tar xf -)
[11:05] <sentiment> hello
[11:05] <mjayk> hay sentiment
[11:06] <sentiment> Is there a way to change the alt tab behavior to make it switch to the last used window in a program with multiple-windows open?
[11:06] <mjayk> In standard ubuntu gnome ?
[11:06] <sentiment> yes
[11:06] <sentiment> right now everytime I switch to that program it shows both instances of the program
[11:07] <mjayk> sentiment: yes, I do it through an extension
[11:07] <mjayk> managed through gnome-tweaks
[11:07] <sentiment> even if I specifically select one of the windows, next time it does the same thing
[11:07] <sentiment> ok, what's the name?
[11:07] <ZidaneRick> Alright, been tempted to make the switch, but there is a couple of things I really can't find online. Microsoft Exchange email support, is there anything that gives you a "like outlook" experience?
[11:07] <sentiment> and why is not the default behaviour?!
[11:07] <mjayk> sentiment: i use AlternateTab
[11:08] <mjayk> ZidaneRick: evolution with evolution-ews
[11:08] <mjayk> connects to my office365 buisnsess email/calendar/todo etc
[11:09] <ZidaneRick> I'm assuming the only thing it won't have any idea of is mail rules?
[11:09] <ramsub07> What are the parameters to be set to --no-preserve argument in gcp command if i don't want the ownership of the file to be transferred to the destination ?
[11:09] <ZidaneRick> I suppose OWA is probably another option I could use
[11:10] <mjayk> ZidaneRick: it should have mail rules ? you mean for auto forwarding  / folders and auto replies based on rules?
[11:10] <ZidaneRick> I mean server side mail rule syncing
[11:12] <mjayk> ZidaneRick: no idea, best thing to do is set aside 15 mins and give it ago
[11:18] <maetthew> dpkg -l | grep apt
[11:31] <sentiment> mjayk: I'm trying to install the extension using the gnome shell extensions plugin for firefox but it is not working.
[11:32] <sentiment> Do you use Firefox for that task?
[11:38] <sentiment> thanks, got it working ;)
[11:39] <chull> I just got a new Canon Printer, it’s PIXMA TS9120. I’m running Ubuntu 16.04. Canon only has drivers for Windows and Macs. I looked at
[11:39] <chull> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=247471 Notes on using Canon Pixma TS series printers in Mint 17 & 18
[11:39] <chull>  but Canon has the drivers for their printer, not mine. Can I use CUPS? Can someone help please?
[11:46] <sentiment> mjayk: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/878/alt-tab-list-first-window/
[11:47] <sentiment> this was more to the point for me :)
[11:47] <kale> is networkd-dispatcher responsible for getting an IP via dhcp?
[11:48] <sentiment> I think it is networkManager
[11:48] <kale> network manager is not installed
[11:52] <ducasse> kale: for details on how networkd works, you might get better answers in #ubuntu-server
[11:57] <kale> ducasse: thanks
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:12] <maetthew> So I managed to somehow fuck up my apt and I have no clue what I've done. /etc/apt/sources.list was suddenly empty and the only file in /etc/apt/. I made a gist with the output of 'history' and it was around line 428 when trying to install nfs-common that I first noticed the issue. Anyone got any idea what might've gone wrong? https://gist.github.com/fe5bb13e7067357958302128ca12e62a
[12:13] <maetthew> Sorry, 419 is the line number where I first noticed the problem
[12:14] <maetthew> (fresh install at line 1)
[12:16] <maetthew> And any idea how to fix it? I tried downloading the apt deb package from here https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/apt/download and just tried to 'dkpg -i' that package but it didn't fix it
[12:16] <maetthew> Maybe I should just do a new fresh install
[12:19] <TJ-> maetthew: " sudo subl /etc/apt/sources.list" looks suspect; there is no 'update' after that, and it looks like you manually intervened
[12:21] <keychain> i installed windows 10, and i insert usb of ubuntu, but the message is shown :  the system is resuming from S4 state.
[12:21] <keychain> what’s wrong?
[12:21] <keychain> i want to do dual booting
[12:23] <keychain> no one know it?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> !patience | keychain
[12:24] <keychain> yeah
[12:24] <keychain> :(
[12:25] <maetthew> TJ-: Hmm yeah you're right no update after that. AFAIK I only uncommented bionic-updates universe multiverse there. But I might've borked big time
[12:26] <maetthew> TJ-: But that doesn't explain why /etc/apt/sources.list was the only file in /etc/apt?
[12:27] <TJ-> maetthew: the other option I can imagine is if you've mounted something over /etc/apt/
[12:27] <TJ-> maetthew: it's also possible one of those many shell scripts that were executed as 'su' messed with it
[12:33] <maetthew> TJ-: Hmm. Searching for "/etc/apt" and/or "su " in the history I can't really find something that suggests that
[12:33] <TJ-> maetthew: I saw "mount -a" which relies on whatever is in /etc/fstab
[12:34] <TJ-> maetthew: looking at a command list is opaque so I can only give you hints as to possibilities
[12:34] <rory> I've installed Chrony so I can use AWS timeserver, but how do I uninstall the original NTP thing? To get rid of this message in syslog: systemd-timesyncd[640]: Timed out waiting for reply from <IP_ADDRESS>:123 (ntp.ubuntu.com).
[12:35] <maetthew> TJ-: I understand. Thanks anyway. /etc/fstab is only: https://gist.github.com/maetthew/e9373bd8b847ecf3a1160c3418518851
[12:37] <maetthew> Is there a better way than 'history' to backlog what you've done?
[12:39] <TJ-> maetthew: well, for commands issued using sudo /var/log/auth.log usually records them. All apt activity gets recorded in /var/log/apt/ as history and terminal logs
[12:39] <maetthew> TJ-: Thanks a bunch
[12:40] <TJ-> maetthew: for forensics like this, check the timestamps of /etc/apt and the file itself, see if that can be correlated with the other activity
[12:40] <rory> keychain: You need to shut down Windows 10, not hibernate
[12:41] <keychain> rory: can i install ubuntu on windows 10 without booting?
[12:41] <keychain> so i can install ubuntu when windows 10 is on?
[12:41] <rory> no, you should shut down windows 10, then reboot your PC and there should be an option to boot from the USB flash drive
[12:42] <rory> that will depend on your PC model. On my PC I press Enter during boot to get a menu
[12:42] <keychain> but there is no usb :(
[12:42] <rory> earlier when you said "I insert USB of ubuntu" what did you do precisely?>
[12:43] <Mathisen> depends on how he made the usb also. does it suport UEFI ? booting legacy/CSM ?
[12:43] <maetthew> keychain: No USB in boot menu or no boot menu at all? On some systems you have to press a key (F2, F11, F12, Enter are some you can try) just when you start the computer
[12:43] <maetthew> keychain: Might also help to know what ISO you made the USB stick with
[12:43] <keychain> matthelmke: ESC —> F2
[12:44] <maetthew> keychain: ESC = F2?
[12:44] <keychain> first esc second f2
[12:44] <maetthew> Ah
[12:44] <keychain> then i can go into setup
[12:44] <maetthew> For me it's just F11 for a boot menu and F2 for bios setup iirc
[12:45] <keychain> i installed 18.04 lts
[12:45] <Mathisen> keychain, just say how you made the usb in the first place, and tell everyone if you booting UEFI or Legacy
[12:45] <ramsub07> Does rsync have a file limit in the source directory ? I have nearly a million file and need to move to another directory
[12:45] <Mathisen> keychain, also is secure boot on or off
[12:46] <maetthew> keychain: You're being quite unclear. Now you're saying you installed 18.04, before you said you installed Windows 10 and wanted to dual boot Ubuntu? Which is it?
[12:46] <keychain> what is UEFI and Legacy
[12:46] <rory> at a high level, the Ubuntu installation process goes: (1) Download .iso file (2) Create installer USB (3) Boot PC from USB (4) Follow on-screen instructions
[12:46] <rory> it's not clear atm which step you are stuck with
[12:46] <maetthew> !help
[12:46] <maetthew> !commands
[12:46] <keychain> rory: i have bootable usb now but there is a message :  the system is resuming from S4 state.
[12:47] <maetthew> Can I see ubottu's commands for "canned responses" somewhere?
[12:47] <rory> ok so you made a bootable usb. what did you do after that, to cause that message to be displayed? did you reboot your PC? or something else?
[12:47] <keychain> yeah i see this message when i reboot laptop after inserting usbe
[12:47] <keychain> usb
[12:48] <maetthew> keychain: When do you get that message? When starting up the computer with just the USB inserted into USB port or after trying to boot from USB from boot menu?
[12:48] <Mathisen> keychain, start your windows, run this in an elevated CMD "  powercfg /hibernate off " then shutdown. then boot your usb
[12:48] <rory> It's possible Windows is hibernating instead of shutting down properly, does that sound likely?
[12:48] <rory> i think S4 state = hibernated
[12:49] <blakes5> Hey all, I don't have a Ubuntu question, but I am looking for help from someone with more knowledge than I have. I bought this little action cam for $25 at home depot. It has wifi built and is accessible using an android ap. But I've found that it has a built in webserver with an admin interface. I'm trying to figure out how to be able to access the files remotely through wifi without the android app. I've port scanned it 80 http, 8080 http-proxy
[12:49] <blakes5> and 8081 black-icecap are the only ports open, no ftp, not telnet, no ssh. Nmap reports it looks like linux the OS. Any other ideas how to hack this little camera?
[12:49] <keychain> matthelmke:  When starting up the computer with just the USB inserted into USB port
[12:50] <maetthew> keychain: Do what Mathisen suggested. Open CMD in windows as administrator and do the command he asked you to do
[12:50] <maetthew> Then completely shutdown computer. Insert USB and try to boot from USB
[12:50] <keychain> powercfg /hibernate off
[12:50] <maetthew> y
[12:50] <keychain> ok i will try it
[12:52] <Mathisen> blakes5, the chanses for that seems kinda slim if there is no easy way to change firmware that is. and i think this is the wrong place to ask :) but i may be wrong
[12:55] <blakes5> Mathisen, I agree, it's not the best place, but I don't know of a better place.
[12:55] <keychain> i did it
[12:55] <keychain> but screen is stopped
[12:56] <keychain> nevertheless there is no message
[12:56] <keychain> :(
[12:56] <rory> you should know that "powercfg /hibernate off" on Windows will disable the hibernation feature so if you rely on this, you should not run that command
[12:56] <Mathisen> keychain, screen stopped ?
[12:56] <keychain> Mathisen: yeah
[12:56] <Mathisen> explain what you mean by that
[12:57] <maetthew> keychain you need to be more specific
[12:57] <keychain> i inserted usb and i turn on computer then screen is stopped
[12:57] <keychain> screen show me that press F2 to enter setup press f12 enter bootMenu
[12:57] <keychain> :(
[12:57] <Mathisen> keychain, ok, then pls explain exactly how you made the usb with ubuntu on
[12:58] <keychain> yah
[12:58] <keychain> yeah
[12:58] <maetthew> keychain: Also if you're having problems explaining yourslef I would suggest trying to record a video of what happens when you try to boot and uploading it somewhere
[12:58] <keychain> i did it like this : https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[12:58] <maetthew> sorry can't help much, gtg to work in a few mins
[12:59] <keychain> anyway thanks
[13:00] <keychain> i think that my computer don’t allow to use dual boot :(
[13:00] <keychain> i will give up it :(
[13:00] <Mathisen> keychain, can you check your bios if you have secure boot on or off
[13:00] <keychain> scure boot
[13:00] <keychain> ok wait
[13:01] <Mathisen> if it is on try booting one time the usb with it off
[13:03] <Tin_man> keychain, did you run sudo update grub after installing ubuntu ?? might look at this link >>https://askubuntu.com/questions/217904/unable-to-boot-into-windows-after-installing-ubuntu-how-to-fix
[13:03] <keychain> boot menu have only HDD/SSD and FDD and LAN
[13:03] <keychain> there is no usb too
[13:03] <maetthew> keychain: Tried different USB ports?
[13:03] <keychain> maetthew: :( i did it too
[13:04] <Mathisen> again secure boot... im giving upp..
[13:04] <Mathisen> good luck
[13:05] <maetthew> keychain: Maybe you need to enable booting from USB in Bios. Again, I suggest you record a video of whats happening. gtg now but gl
[13:05] <keychain> thanks for help
[13:05] <keychain> i will give up
[13:05] <keychain> it
[13:05] <keychain> i turn off laptop over 20 times
[13:05] <keychain> i must save my laptop life
[13:05] <keychain> i want to use it over 10 years
[13:06] <keychain> nevertheless i bought it for $30
[13:06] <keychain> :(
[13:06] <keychain> i will use windows 10 only
[13:06] <keychain> :(
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> keychain: easy with the enter button please
[13:07] <keychain> i will use ubuntu after buying laptop for $30 after several years after saving money
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> keychain: this channel is only for ubuntu support questions, focus on that please
[13:07] <keychain> ok
[13:07] <keychain> :(
[13:07] <Mathisen> keychain, last comment. your USB will not boot! with secure boot on. if im not misstaken the shim that makes ubuntu boot with secure boot on need to be added....
[13:07] <Mathisen> pls read upp on that
[13:08] <keychain> because i m insane because i turn on and off over 20 times this result that mylaptop die
[13:08] <keychain> there is no secure boot
[13:08] <keychain> :(
[13:08] <keychain> where i can find secure boot menu
[13:08] <keychain> ?
[13:10] <luizbag> it would be on BIOS/UEFI configuration
[13:10] <keychain> ok i will find it
[13:11] <chalcedony> im trying to install a Canon PIXMA TS9120 printer on Ubuntu 16.04. is this the best guide?   https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-a-canon-printer-on-debian-and-debian-like-systems
[13:14] <chalcedony> because when i did their first step i get errors. unmet dependencies.
[13:14] <chalcedony> which i don't seem to be able to fix
[13:30] <keychain> strange
[13:30] <keychain> i installed windows 10 with bootable usb, but i inserted windows bootable to port and i turn on laptop. symtom is same like ubuntu bootable. screen is stopped
[13:31] <keychain> :(
[13:31] <keychain> how this is occurs.
[13:35] <keychain> i think that something is wrong
[13:35] <keychain> there is no guy who can help me?
[13:37] <keychain> oh it is tragedy :( no one know it
[13:38] <EriC^^> keychain: how'd you make the windows usb?
[13:39] <keychain> i make it using ms tool
[13:39] <EriC^^> keychain: check the bios that it's selected to boot the usb
[13:40] <keychain> there is no usb menu :(
[13:40] <keychain> and i can’t go into setup
[13:40] <EriC^^> keychain: in the bios not usb
[13:40] <keychain> when i turn on computer after inserting bootable usb, then computer is stopped
[13:40] <keychain> :(
[13:40] <keychain> yes in the bios
[13:40] <keychain> :(
[13:41] <EriC^^> keychain: in the bios what do you have under boot options
[13:41] <EriC^^> what laptop/motherboard is it?
[13:42] <keychain> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-Satellite-T230-12Q-13-3-inch-Pentium/dp/B003LJX798
[13:42] <danieleD> hi all
[13:42] <keychain> EriC^^:
[13:42] <danieleD> how can i setup a vpn in settings of ubuntu 10.04?
[13:43] <EriC^^> danieleD: why haven't you upgraded to at least 14.04 ?
[13:43] <keychain> boot menu have only HDD/SSD and FDD and LAN EriC^^
[13:43] <EriC^^> keychain: did you try disabling secureboot and fastboot?
[13:43] <danieleD> excuse me^^ 18.04
[13:44] <keychain> i find secureboot but there is no secureboot menu
[13:44] <keychain> :(
[13:45] <EriC^^> keychain: try turning secureboot off and try using a different booting method, like legacy instead of uefi
[13:45] <EriC^^> see what happens
[13:46] <keychain> EriC^^: ok i will try to find secureboot menu at bios setup
[13:46] <keychain> :(
[13:47] <EriC^^> keychain: take a screenshot of the bootoptions, and try also to use the run-time boot menu that you can choose what to boot when the pc is still starting
[13:48] <keychain> ok
[13:48] <EriC^^> :D
[14:37] <bieb> I am trying to setup static IP on a fresh install of 18.04 server. I have edited the yaml file, and saved it, I then run "netplan --debug try" to see if there are any errors, all it says is: "error while loading /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml, aborting." do I need to apply the file before debugging? I wanted to debug to make sure I entered the syntax correct, and had the right number of tabs at the beginning of the lines.
[14:46] <keychain> lol i did it by myself. i solved it
[14:46] <keychain> :)
[14:46] <keychain> i m genius
[14:46] <keychain> now i can use ubuntu
[14:46] <Okama> no u
[14:46] <keychain> who want to know how i can do it
[14:47] <keychain> ?
[14:47] <Okama> do wut
[14:47] <keychain> if i insert bootable usb to port, then i turn on laptop, then it stopped.
[14:48] <Okama> what
[14:48] <keychain> so i make harddisk disable when it boots
[14:49] <Okama> harddisk disable
[14:49] <Okama> can someone translate
[14:49] <keychain> then computer don’t stop and bootable usb work
[14:49] <Okama> cant u just dual boot lol
[14:49] <keychain> Okama:  what you mean?
[14:49] <Okama> idk
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !u
[14:50] <bieb> he means, when you boot laptop, you can choose windows or linux
[14:50] <bieb> how new is your laptop?
[14:51] <Okama> u disabed ur harddrive to boot from usb
[14:51] <Okama> y not isntall usb on hardrive and boot from hard drive
[14:51] <keychain> Okama:  yeah corret
[14:51] <keychain> correct
[14:51] <Okama> Are u a noob
[14:51] <leftyfb> Okama: Can we help you with something?
[14:51] <bieb> keychain: what are you trying to accomplish?
[14:51] <Okama> no
[14:51] <keychain> Okama: installing usb on harddrive ?
[14:52] <leftyfb> Okama: This is a support channel. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic for anything else
[14:52] <keychain> bieb: i tried to make dual booting
[14:52] <keychain> win10 + ubuntu
[14:52] <keychain> 8)
[14:52] <bieb> keychain: that is possible
[14:52] <bieb> keychain: how new is the laptop?
[14:52] <Okama> you have to go into ur bios and disable secure boot to boot from usb
[14:52] <keychain> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-Satellite-T230-12Q-13-3-inch-Pentium/dp/B003LJX798
[14:53] <keychain> bieb:
[14:53] <keychain> there is no secure boot Okama  on my laptop
[14:53] <keychain> :(
[14:53] <bieb> keychain: no uefi on the laptop?
[14:53] <keychain> so i make harddisk disable to use bootable usb
[14:54] <keychain> bieb:
[14:54] <keychain> yeah
[14:54] <Tin_man> did you try installing ubuntu on the laptop, and then updating grub?
[14:54] <keychain> there is no uefi
[14:54] <keychain> :(
[14:54] <Okama> Why not partition harddrive
[14:54] <keychain> i turn on and off over 100 times. so my laptop is shorten 5 years from 10 years
[14:54] <keychain> :(
[14:54] <Tin_man> ubuntu installer should handle the partition
[14:56] <keychain> anyway my cpu is u5400 and it is 1.2Ghz, then ubuntu don’t work? i know that ubuntu work over 2.0Ghz
[14:57] <heinoja9> I would recommend trying Xubuntu or some other light weight version
[14:57] <Okama> lubuntu
[14:57] <keychain> light version
[14:58] <keychain> then 1.2 don’t work at normal ubuntu?
[14:58] <Okama> what laptop do you have
[14:58] <heinoja9> problem is with gnome
[14:58] <keychain> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-Satellite-T230-12Q-13-3-inch-Pentium/dp/B003LJX798
[14:58] <heinoja9> not ubuntu itself
[15:00] <Okama> do you have a spare computer?
[15:02] <Tin_man> well, if you can't get ubuntu going on the pentium, try for a puppy linux, you processor might handle puppy..
[15:03] <Okama> Im sure it runs on his sytem he prolly did something wrong
[15:07] <Kejjden> Hi there! Not sure if I'm in the right place but I have a sound issue I don't even know how to explain it to Google (or I'm just not knowledgable enough to know what to search for)
[15:07] <Kejjden> Any takers?
[15:08] <madduck> Just installed a fresh 18.04, and it hangs 30s during boot, waiting for the resume device. /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume has the UUID of the swap device, which is on LVM. Lovely
[15:08] <BluesKaj> tell what your sound does or doesn't do, Kejjden
[15:11] <Kejjden> This started today, when recording anything from the mic (using audacity) or using the mic with hangout or slack the sound is very high pitch and a bit distorted. Didn't install or remove anything from yesterday when it worked just fine
[15:11] <Kejjden> Works fine under Windows
[15:13] <Kejjden> Correction, I did install python3-dev python3-pip python3-setuptools earlier today
[15:14] <Kejjden> I tried messing with the sample rate in the pulse audio config file. I feel like the recorded sound changes but not enough to anywhere near normal
[15:18] <Okama> Have you tried any other audio recording software
[15:21] <Okama> idk maybe this can help/give insight
[15:21] <Okama> https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?t=100150
[15:23] <madduck> srsly ubuntu? how did this pass your QA?
[15:25] <Okama> is that ur issue
[15:26] <legreffier> madduck: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1013830/slow-boot-long-kernel-load-time-due-to-wrong-resume-device like here ?
[15:27] <legreffier> i don't think encrypted LVM boot volume is covered by ubuntu qa.
[15:28] <madduck> it's not encrypted
[15:28] <madduck> legreffier: Debian bug #883735
[15:31] <madduck> seems like ubuntu people don't use LVM, or else I cannot fathom why this is still present in 18.04
[15:33] <dsuch> Hello, I am unable to install gcc on a fresh install of 18.04, I wonder what the root cause could be and I should diagnose it? https://paste.debian.net/1056968/ To be precise, this is Ubuntu MATE but I am asking here seeing as it is a fairly low-level situation.
[15:39] <lordcirth> dsuch, Ubuntu MATE is an officially supported flavor, and thus on-topic here.  Please try installing 'gcc-7', it may get you a more useful message.
[15:40] <keychain> can i use option : install ubuntu alongside windows boot manager or something else?
[15:40] <keychain> or Erase disk and install ubuntu to using dual boot?
[15:41] <keychain> i need help
[15:41] <Piraty> i installed 18.04 and want to upgrade to 18.10, Muon ("softare updater") does not seem able to do it, at least it doesn't offer the upgrade
[15:41] <lordcirth> !upgrade
[15:41] <Piraty> after changing release channel to "new versoin"
[15:41] <keychain> :(
[15:41] <lordcirth> keychain, what are you trying to do?  Install Ubuntu in a dual boot?
[15:42] <keychain> yeah lordcirth
[15:42] <keychain> correct
[15:42] <keychain> win10 + ubuntu
[15:42] <keychain> what option?
[15:42] <lordcirth> keychain, the 'install alongside windows' option should work, then
[15:42] <BeforeClick> win 10 first then shrink the partition and then install ubuntu
[15:42] <keychain> ah thanks lordcirth :)
[15:42] <lordcirth> Shrinking in win10 would also work
[15:42] <keychain> ok BeforeClick
[15:43] <keychain> ok
[15:43] <lordcirth> You should have backups, though :)
[15:43] <sentiment> anybody else has noticed that the maximize window behavior is a copy of Windows Vista idea?
[15:43] <sentiment> not that it's a bad thing
[15:43] <amitkm9204> Ya we can create one unallocated partition from window
[15:43] <sentiment> actually I kind of missed it in Windows 7
[15:44] <sentiment> ok wrong channel. this is chit chat actually
[15:44] <BeforeClick> amitkm9204: why would you do that?
[15:44] <dsuch> Thanks lordcirth, here it is https://paste.debian.net/1056970/ - all the packages seem to be in place, though truth be told, I am not sure if '16' in the name of the packages somehow means 16.04? (this is a full-disk installation not an upgrade).
[15:45] <lordcirth> dsuch, this sounds like a problem I helped fix yesterday - do you have the bionic-updates repo enabled?  If not, enable it.
[15:45] <dsuch> lordcirth: Ah, I disabled it yesterday, let me try to bring it back..
[15:45] <lordcirth> why would you disable updates?
[15:46] <dsuch> lordcirth: I was getting tired of unwated updates to Firefox or Thunderbird and I only left bionic-security around for security fixes.
[15:48] <dsuch> lordcirth: Thanks, that did the trick, the packages install correctly now.
[15:49] <lordcirth> dsuch, great.  Yeah, the other repos tend to assume that you have updates enabled
[15:49] <lordcirth> what's the problem with firefox/thunderbird updates? Too much bandwidth?
[15:51] <dsuch> lordcirth: The bandwidth is fine but I just do not like changes for the sake of changes alone (which I guess is why I am on MATE), e.g. moving icons around which does not add anything of substance to the core functionality.
[15:51] <lordcirth> dsuch, you could install Firefox ESR?
[15:52] <lordcirth> It's basically an LTS release of firefox
[15:53] <dsuch> lordcirth: I know, but it will be changed at one day anyway :/ I have a core of a browser of my own written, which is fairly easy in PyQT, but still, this is a task for at least several hundred hours which is not easy to find.
[15:53] <dsuch> lordcirth: Given a rendering engine, the rest is just your standard GUI programming, tedious but not really difficult.
[15:54] <lordcirth> There are also lighter browsers available.
[15:55] <TJ-> !pin | dsuch
[15:55] <Piraty> wtf libargon2 is not supported by canocical
[15:56] <dsuch> lordcirth: That I also know, but I have been using Firefox since it was called Phoenix so it is all part of just being used to things.
[15:56] <dsuch> lordcirth: Is TJ- a bot?
[15:56] <lordcirth> No, ubottu is a bot
[15:56] <dsuch> Ah
[15:56] <lordcirth> pinning would prevent security patches, would it not?
[15:56]  * TJ- does a robot dance
[15:57] <dsuch> Actually, given a package name or its metadata, how does one recognize that an update is a security-related one?
[15:57] <dsuch> Or is it only because it is in its own repo?
[15:57] <TJ-> lordcirth: well you can't have it both ways, but it would prevent 'regular' updates until the local admin decides to allow them
[15:58] <lordcirth> I really think ESR would get you most of what you want
[15:59] <TJ-> dsuch: well, "apt list --upgradable" reports which archive the package would be fetched from, so '$RELEASE-security' initially, but then that package moves to $RELEASE-updates anyway. The point of -security is to get upgrades out quickly, which mirrors of -updates may not do
[16:00] <dsuch> Thanks TJ- I was just wondering if there was a flag in the package itself along the lines of 'this version contains a security fix' but I understand now that this is more of a convention embedded in the repository's name, such as bionic-security.
[16:01] <dsuch> I just never pondered the difference, thanks again.
[16:01] <TJ-> dsuch: I'm not sure if the changelog priority is used, but we have low/medium/high there (first line of a changelog entry)
[16:01] <dsuch> Sure.
[16:02] <TJ-> dsuch: looking at some, I only see urgency=medium
[16:02] <dsuch> While I have your attention TJ- - I kind of skipped 16.04, moving to 18.04 straight from 14.04 and I noticed that apt-get is now styled apt alone, is that new in 18.04 or I just never noticed it before?
[16:03] <TJ-> dsuch: no, just that apt-get is intended for scripts so its interface is frozen; 'apt' is a 'human' tool that encompasses several functions and adds nice layers on top
[16:04] <TJ-> dsuch: e.g: whereas you once needed to do "dpkg -l | grep ^ii" to get a list of installed packages, now it is possible to do "apt list --installed"
[16:05] <dsuch> I see, thanks again TJ-
[16:11] <keychain> lol i did it i m happy now
[16:12] <keychain> i installed dual booting without help of #ubuntu 8)
[16:12] <keychain> there is no helpful information that member give me :(
[16:12] <keychain> but i don’t give up installing dual booting
[16:12] <TJ-> keychain: so now you should share this important information you've discovered so others can benefit
[16:13] <keychain> i did it finally using my smart brain
[16:13] <keychain> 8)
[16:13] <keychain> ah yeah
[16:14] <keychain> my screen is stopped when i insert bootable usb. i go into bios setup and i make harddisk disable to use bootable use
[16:14] <keychain> usb
[16:14] <keychain> no one give me correct information
[16:15] <keychain> but i use my brain to slove problem
[16:15] <keychain> TJ-: do you understand it?
[16:16] <sta7ic> hello, this is probably a simple answer (like bad hardware?) but whenever i write some heavy load to my linux solid state disk, i get stuff like this in the dmesg after my machine freezes for about 1 minute and then comes back
[16:16] <sta7ic> https://pastebin.com/4bkAwn5k
[16:16] <TJ-> keychain: when helper's here cannot see what you can see, then we can only give suggestions based on experience. Also, very often the info we get from people seeking help is incomplete (it often ommits detail that is important)
[16:17] <lordcirth> sta7ic, definitely a hardware problem.
[16:17] <keychain> TJ-: yeah it is difficult to help someone without seeing problem
[16:17] <keychain> i understand it 8)
[16:17] <lordcirth> sta7ic, #hardware channel should be able to help track it down.  It could be the hard drive, SATA cable, SATA power, SATA controller, PSU, etc.
[16:18] <sta7ic> thx
[16:18] <TJ-> sta7ic: looks like the problem is the sector alignment " Sense: Unaligned write command" - the device may be sensitive to the logical/physical sector size
[16:19] <ioria> sta7ic, i vote for the PSU (if it's a desktop)
[16:24] <TJ-> sta7ic: have you checked the device's SMART status recently?
[16:28] <dsuch> TJ-: lordcirth I will be heading off, thank you again, I truly appreciate your assistance.
[16:28] <lordcirth> dsuch, np
[16:47] <klemax> Hello.
[16:48] <klemax> What so you guys prefer as vnc server? Tigervnc or vnc4server?
[16:48] <klemax> s/so/do
[16:50] <OnkelTem1> Hi all
[16:50] <OnkelTem1> All of a sudden my video drives stopped working
[16:50] <OnkelTem1> I see no logic or reason
[16:51] <OnkelTem1> But ok, it doesn't work. And it Xtrg loads NOUVEAU, while it is actually blacklisted
[16:51] <OnkelTem1> So I don't understand - how is it loading while it is blacklisted?
[16:51] <OnkelTem1> And where my drivers gone?
[16:52] <EriC^^> something else has it as a prerequisite and it loads it OnkelTem1
[16:52] <EriC^^> OnkelTem1: check lsmod | grep nouveau  it should show what's depending on it
[16:53] <OnkelTem1> EriC^^: empty. So it's not a kernel module, but X one
[16:53] <klemax> if there is a different way for remote desktop, i will be ok with it too
[16:54] <OnkelTem1> So X doesn't really care if I disabled something, it would load it anyway?
[16:54] <OnkelTem1> apt-get upgraded, restarted
[16:54] <OnkelTem1> rebuilt initrd
[16:54] <leftyfb> klemax: x11vnc or teamviewer. Beyond that, ask for opinions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:55] <EriC^^> OnkelTem1: how do you know it's loaded?
[16:55] <OnkelTem1> EriC^^: from Xorg log
[16:55] <EriC^^> OnkelTem1: what does "sudo lshw -c video" show for driver ?
[16:55] <OnkelTem1> [     9.191] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau"
[16:55] <OnkelTem1> [     9.191] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[16:57] <EriC^^> oh ok
[16:57] <OnkelTem1> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xngY2vwQ7M/
[16:57] <klemax> Leftyfb: What is the advantage of using x11vnc according to tigervnc or vnc4server?
[16:57] <leftyfb> klemax: x11vnc will attach to your currently running Xorg session without silly configs like the others require
[16:58] <EriC^^> OnkelTem1: are you using nomodeset? what does "cat /proc/cmdline" have?
[16:58] <leftyfb> klemax: x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[16:58] <OnkelTem1> EriC^^: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-43-generic root=... ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[17:00] <OnkelTem1> It was ok the whole day today, then my daughter restarted the computer in Windows (dual boot) and now 3 hours later it got broken. No, I don't connect these events - it's just my uptime, which is long enough so probably if I had restarted it before it would have be broken anyway :-/
[17:00] <OnkelTem1> been*
[17:02] <DarthFrog> Hi folks.  When I do a system update, I get this:
[17:02] <DarthFrog> E: Repository 'http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release' changed its 'Origin' value from 'Google, Inc.' to 'Google LLC'
[17:02] <DarthFrog> N: This must be accepted explicitly before updates for this repository can be applied. See apt-secure(8) manpage for details.
[17:02] <DarthFrog> Is there a quick way to satisfy this?
[17:02] <OnkelTem1> If I stuck to Nouveau, is there a way to have some better that 800x600?
[17:02] <OnkelTem1> than*
[17:03] <leftyfb> DarthFrog: remove that repo and reinstall the latest .deb from google.com/chrome
[17:03] <OnkelTem1> Because I just cannot use X at all
[17:03] <DarthFrog> leftyfb:  Tnx!
[17:03] <OnkelTem1> Windows just don't feet into this ugly desktop.
[17:03] <OnkelTem1> Even Start button is not visible
[17:04] <OnkelTem1> Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that I'm on KDE
[17:05] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1:  KDE is not Windows.  There is a launcher "button" where you're used to seeing a Start "button".
[17:05] <weq> anyone able to assist in why I'm unable to properly start the ubuntu server installer on a machine? When it is supposed to give me the gui to select keymap etc I'll just get a blinking cursor.
[17:05] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: whatever, it is still the Start button
[17:05] <weq> and I can't find any clues as to why when I swich to a different terminal
[17:06] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: So what's your issue?  That things look different in Linux?
[17:06] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: no, that NVidia drivers don't work. Have stopped working
[17:07] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: What video card do you have?
[17:07] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: 980GTX Ti
[17:07] <weq> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/es6-bundled/src/codelabs/tutorial-install-ubuntu-server/img/69ae6d8aedc13eb3.png I never get to this window, I just get a blinking cursor instead. Prior to this I can see some error message from what I can only guess is a something related to a python script.
[17:07] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: Well, that's well supported.
[17:08] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: Are you willing to use the command line?
[17:08] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: sure. It worked today
[17:08] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: yeah, that's fine
[17:08] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: OK.  Press Alt-F1 and type "konsole".
[17:09] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: I'm already there. In tty2
[17:09] <OnkelTem1> There != konsole, just console :)
[17:09] <OnkelTem1> I wonder what package should I probably reinstall to get it fixed
[17:09] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1:  konsole is the KDE console.   Change directory to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:10] <OnkelTem1> ok htre
[17:10] <DarthFrog> Do you have a rep with graphics-driver in its name?
[17:11] <lordcirth> weq, are you installing on real hardware, or a VM?
[17:11] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: no, I don't have a repo for that I believe
[17:12] <weq> lordcirth: real hw, but it looks like the usb might be the culprit. Did the file integrity check now and it found 3 errors. Trying to recreate the usb now.
[17:12] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: probably I installed it using the binary from NVidia website
[17:12] <lordcirth> weq, ah, yeah, always check that.  Make sure to check the hash on the download before reinstalling to the USB.
[17:12] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: Well, then I recommend you go to:  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux  and follow what they say there.
[17:13] <weq> lordcirth: got a link to the hashes? cause the default page doesn't show any afaik.
[17:14] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: thank you. So what is the digest of what they say there?
[17:14] <weq> looking for the hash to ubuntu-<IP_ADDRESS>-live-server-amd64.iso then
[17:15] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: do they recommend binary or repo? If repo, would you please copy-paste its url please?
[17:15] <DarthFrog> Okama:  Install the graphics drivers PPA, update and install the correct drivers, either 390 or 410.
[17:15] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[17:16] <lordcirth> weq, http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/SHA256SUMS
[17:16] <weq> ty ty
[17:19] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1:  If you ever want specific help with KDE and Ubuntu, there is the #kubuntu channel.
[17:19] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: installing using ubuntu-drivers
[17:19] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: that's useless channel :)
[17:19] <OnkelTem1> No all the time
[17:20] <weq> lordcirth: hashes were correct so let's hope rufus does a better job creating the usb this time.
[17:22] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: it's installing 415th version, from that repo
[17:22] <OnkelTem1> launchpad is slow...
[17:23] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: I have no experience with that version of the nvidia drivers.  I have a GTX970 and am using nvidia-390.
[17:23] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: if it doesn't work, I'll just remove the repo and retry with 390
[17:23] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: I would imagine that the 410 drivers are for the 20xx cards, but that's just a guess.
[17:24] <OnkelTem1> DarthFrog: well, ubuntu-drivers tool marked 415 as "recommended". And then I ran it with "autoinstall" option
[17:24] <OnkelTem1> so... it's not my choice
[17:24] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem1: No, don't remove the repo.  Do "apt search nvidia-3" and install the ones it reports.
[17:24] <OnkelTem1> Ah, ok
[17:27] <OnkelTem_> DarthFrog: done
[17:27] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem_: Reboot and enjoy.
[17:27] <OnkelTem_> It works! Just restarted... A story of drivers disappearing.
[17:27] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem_:  You're welcome.
[17:27] <OnkelTem_> DarthFrog: +++
[17:28] <OnkelTem_> At first glance it works. I mean 415
[17:29] <DarthFrog> OnkelTem_:  You can try "glxgears -fullscreen".  Use Esc to quit and see your framerate.
[17:30] <OnkelTem_> DarthFrog: yeah, pretty nice gears
[17:35] <lordcirth> glxgears doesn't really tell you much anymore - it runs fine on just about any driver
[17:36] <wtflux> hi all im having some issues getting my default grub loader to work im trying to change it so that windows is at the top of the list, Ubuntu is at the top currently, editing /etc/default/grub isnt working. the GRUB_DEFAULT setting changed from =0 to =saved or =3 (where windows is) is acting oddly,
[17:37] <wtflux> some of them are skipping the grub menu straight to ubuntu entirely
[17:37] <wtflux> this concerns me because if it decides to choose windows and skip to windows bypassing the grub menu i wont be able to change it so that i can boot into linux again
[17:37] <wtflux> ideally i'd like to have the grub menu load, show me all its choices, count down its timer, and have windows 7 at the top of the list
[17:38] <wtflux> i dont know what's so difficult about that, i've followed all the directions, by the book, not that difficult of a thing here, it just doesnt work.
[17:38] <wtflux> wow ok nevermind it's working.
[17:38] <wtflux> not as ideal as i would like it to but working nonetheless
[17:39] <DarthFrog> lordcirth: It does show that you have GLX and DRI working.
[17:40] <Piraty> hi. how to install thunderbird into 18.10 ?
[17:40] <DarthFrog> Well, perhaps not DRI, given the power of graphics cards these days.
[17:41] <coz_> Piraty, sudo apt install thunderbird  ?  are you sure it's not already installed?
[17:42] <Piraty> coz_: it's not installed, discover doesn't show it to me
[17:42] <coz_> Piraty, did you try   sudo apt install thunderbird
[17:42] <coz_> ^^in terminal
[17:43] <Piraty> yeah that works, so discover simply does not promote
[17:43] <coz_> mmm
[17:43] <coz_> Piraty,  I don't have an answer for that, I use Mate DE
[17:44] <Piraty> i use kubuntu
[17:44] <lordcirth> I've never found discover to be very useful.  It's just a shiny (and slow) frontend to apt.
[17:44] <lordcirth> Synaptic at least had a good search tool
[17:44] <DarthFrog> I have a useful bash alias: alias lspkg="dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | sort | less"   I use it as "lspkg | grep <string>" to see what's installed.
[17:45] <coz_> Piraty, dont often use KDE except with Non
[17:45] <coz_> Piraty, I mean Neon
[17:45] <Piraty> I'm just evaluating the discover tool how my  lady would likely use it
[17:45] <coz_> ah
[17:45] <Piraty> i in fact use i3 so i wouldn't know all such things at all
[17:46] <coz_> Piraty, I suppose then app menu should reveal thunderbird , yes?
[17:47] <Piraty> app menu?
[17:47] <Piraty> yeah now that i "apt install"ed it, it's in the launcher menu
[17:47] <coz_> Piraty, the application menu at the bottom left of screen, unless they moved it
[17:47] <Piraty> yeah it's there, thanks coz_
[17:48] <coz_> ahcool
[17:48] <Piraty> now trying to figure out how to remove kdepim stuff as i don't want to have kmail and such
[17:48] <Piraty> as thunderbird+friends does all the things the lady needs
[17:48] <Piraty> revdepends for kmail show quite a big list, but that's not all hard depdencies is it?
[17:49] <coz_> Piraty,  I would assume  sudo apt remove "application-name"
[17:49] <Piraty> yeah i want to go up the deptree one level and remove that one along pulled dependencies which i probably consider not useful here
[17:49] <coz_> Piraty, I couldn't tell you for sure I rarely if ever use this tuff
[17:49] <coz_> stuff
[17:49] <coz_> damn fingers %)
[17:50] <TJ-> Piraty: reverse-depends consist of Depends: Recommends: and Suggests:
[17:51] <Piraty> TJ-: but not only installed but also packages in the repo that are not installed it seems
[17:52] <Piraty> alota packages "apt-cache rdepends" shows me are not installed
[17:52] <Piraty> can i limit to installed only, to see which one i might be after ?
[17:53] <TJ-> no, you'd have to script that I think, if you want to walk the dependency tree
[17:53] <Piraty> --installed ;)
[17:53] <Piraty> xbps-dgraph is a really nice tool for that for xbps packages
[17:54] <Piraty> i found something similar for ipk packages (which basically are .deb) a few weeks ago
[17:54] <Piraty> http://archive.main.lv/writeup/openwrt_dependency_graph_drawing.html
[17:58] <Piraty> when i remove a few packages via apt-get, how to remove their (unneeded) dependencies along ?
[17:58] <Piraty> or use autoremove afterwards?
[17:59] <TJ-> Piraty: use autoremove
[18:00] <TJ-> Piraty: a bit of a hack but:  " PKG=bash; apt-cache rdepends $PKG:$(dpkg --print-architecture) | grep -v bash | while read pkg; do if apt list --installed $pkg 2>/dev/null | grep -q $pkg 2>/dev/null; then echo $pkg; fi; done "
[18:00] <TJ-> Piraty: ooops, too hard-coded there!
[18:01] <TJ-> Piraty:  " PKG=bash; apt-cache rdepends $PKG:$(dpkg --print-architecture) | grep -v $PKG | while read pkg; do if apt list --installed $pkg 2>/dev/null | grep -q $pkg 2>/dev/null; then echo $pkg; fi; done "
[18:02] <Piraty> apt-cache rdepends --installed does it quite well ?
[18:02] <Piraty> also, why depend on readline so hard and not instead forloop over a string of words...
[18:05] <Piraty> thanks TJ-
[18:07] <Piraty> what is "disco"? seen here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qtox
[18:08] <tomreyn> !disco
[18:08] <tomreyn> oops
[18:08] <tomreyn> the next to come release
[18:09] <Piraty> oh
[18:09] <Piraty> strange, no tox client in ubuntu?
[18:12] <tomreyn> it'll probably be available in some !ppa or as a !snap then
[18:15] <TJ-> Piraty: oh, I forgot apt-cache has learned some new tricks recently :)
[18:17] <justthedoctor> I'm trying to tar zcvf * tarname.tar.gz
[18:17] <justthedoctor> And I keep getting an eror
[18:17] <justthedoctor> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vpPGgNXH/Screenshot_20181221-120615.png
[18:17] <lordcirth> justthedoctor, the argument after 'f' needs to be the tar file
[18:19] <justthedoctor> Oh
[18:19] <justthedoctor> So tar zcvf db.tar.gz *
[18:21] <xamithan> If you want every files in that directory tarred
[18:27] <geirha> you've likely destroyed some files in the process, unless you've gotten lucky and the first match of * was a directory
[18:40] <ovalseven8> Hey, I am new to server administration and wanted to ask about automate security updates (unattended-upgrades). When the system is automatically patching some software, is not it sometimes necessary to restart those services or even the operating system because of kernel patches?
[18:41] <leftyfb> ovalseven8: https://www.ubuntu.com/livepatch
[18:42] <leftyfb> ovalseven8: packages that include services will generally restart/reload said services as needed
[18:42] <leftyfb> when they get updated
[18:42] <tomreyn> i.e. you may end up with unexpected downtimes
[18:43] <tomreyn> (though usually of just rather short duration)
[18:43] <leftyfb> not with livepatch, but yeah, potentially with automated package updates
[18:43] <ovalseven8> leftyfb, So that means that when I enable unattended-upgrades that I do not need to reboot the server sometimes. The security patches are automatically enabled by restarts/reboots?
[18:44] <leftyfb> ovalseven8: please read the link I gave you. Regardless, if you're concerned about security, unattended upgrades isn't really the first place you should be looking
[18:44] <leftyfb> ovalseven8: also, this isn't a support question and is beyond the scope of this channel
[18:45] <ovalseven8> leftyfb, Oh, "lifepatch" is a service and not included into Ubuntu by default
[18:48] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: "liVepatch" is a Canonical service, which is included in their service offerings for businesses. (Non-commercial) Ubuntu users can try it for free https://auth.livepatch.canonical.com/
[18:50] <ovalseven8> tomreyn, Is there a reason why it's not included in Ubuntu by default and you just have to do something like e.g. "sudo apg-get install livepatch"? Or, let me rephrase: Why do not has Debian that for example?
[18:51] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: we only support ubuntu here, but since providing this service takes a lot of effort, i assume that's why not every distro does it,a nd why Canonical doesn't do it for free for businesses.
[18:54] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: it's also a service you don't need to use if you just reboot whenever there are kernel security or bug fixes which are necessary to not put your systems at risk of exploitation or instabilities.
[19:11] <Electrostrong> Are some of the update mirrors down?
[19:12] <Electrostrong> Getting errors on update:  503  Service Unavailable [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[19:12] <tomreyn> Electrostrong: i can access http://<IP_ADDRESS>/dists/ just fine, can you=?
[19:14] <Electrostrong> yep - seems to be working from that end-point - does apt-get communicate via HTTP for pulling the updates or does it use a different protocol?
[19:14] <Electrostrong> (I know the actual updates are pulled via HTTP, but the indexes themselves)
[19:15] <tomreyn> Electrostrong: http by default, but it really depends on your configured apt sources
[19:15] <tomreyn> apt-get update && apt-cache policy
[19:15] <tomreyn> this should tell.
[19:16] <Piraty> hi. where can i place one-time commands that need to be run on boot even when no user is logged in yet ? (future-proof)
[19:16] <Piraty> that used to be /etc/rc.local, but systemd kicked all of that
[19:16] <Electrostrong> thx tomreyn - they are set to http - I'll try to figure out if there's something on my end blocking it (shouldn't be...but...)
[19:17] <tomreyn> Electrostrong: espcially with plain (non encrypted) connections via http, you may run into issues if traffic or dns lookups are manipulated in your local network, such as often seen in corporate and walled garden environments.
[19:17] <Electrostrong> it's a local home network - no real policies in place for redirection or outbound filtering
[19:18] <Electrostrong> but it is affecting multiple servers (18.04) and even my rasbian box for Octoprint - fun stuff when you want to update for the day :)
[19:18] <tomreyn> Electrostrong: then i'd run apt-get update -o 'Debug::Acquire::http=1'
[19:19] <Electrostrong> new commands - cool - I'll give it a shot
[19:19] <Electrostrong> hrmm....looks like comcast has some squid cache that's causing an issue
[19:21] <Electrostrong> https://pastebin.com/13yX5fJN
[19:21] <tomreyn> switch to different mirror servers then https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors - those which are close to you (internet topography), provide sufficient bandwidth, and are somewhat current.
[19:21] <tomreyn> alternatively use https or ftp protocols instead
[19:22] <Electrostrong> thx again tomreyn - I'll see if that gets around the caching issue - I may try https to start
[19:22] <tomreyn> geez, they transparently cache security.ubuntu.com, thats bad
[19:22] <dserodio> I regretted running "apt update" in the terminal because it's stuck at "Setting up linux-headers-4.15.0-43-generic". "ps" tells me it's stuck configuring Secure Boot with whiptail. Any ideas?
[19:23] <Electrostrong> @tomreyn - I agree - I was a bit surprised to see that
[19:26] <Hamilton> apt what to show current installed apps?
[19:26] <tomreyn> Piraty: https://askubuntu.com/questions/886620/how-can-i-execute-command-on-startup-rc-local-alternative-on-ubuntu-16-10
[19:27] <tomreyn> Electrostrong: you should probably use whatever channels you have to 'file a bug' with them, IMO they should nto be doing this, it's rather bad practice since, even if it worked, it would delay security updates for you.
[19:27] <tomreyn> and transparent cachingmeans users won't usually become aware that it's taking place.
[19:28] <tomreyn> unless it breaks, as seen here.
[19:28] <Piraty> thanks tomreyn , but i doubt this service is well setup, because why would that be after=network.target ...?
[19:29] <ioria> dserodio, the kernel configuration is probably waiting for a SB password; atm you should have the new kernel in a broken state (which is not good); what i can suggest is disable SB, remove the broken pks and reinstall the kernel
[19:29] <tomreyn> dserodio: it it's been hanging there for a while, you'll probably need to kill this lowest process in the pstree which is stopping it from continuing, willl then have apt run into an error, then figure out what caused it to fail and fix it.
[19:30] <DUKENUKEM> does anyone ever notice poor latency when ssh'ing to another host on your wifi network? i swear, ssh'ing to my vps gets better latency than my local machines
[19:30] <Hamilton> Is there a way to find out what software is installed on my ubuntu without listing ubuntu system packages? Or any way to filter out packages based on installation date?
[19:30] <DUKENUKEM> not quite sure how to debug this
[19:30] <tomreyn> Piraty: i think it's been like this traditionally.
[19:31] <tomreyn> Piraty: ...rc.local scripts may depend on the network being available.
[19:31] <Piraty> indeed, they MAY
[19:31] <Piraty> but usually people like setting up their iptables in such manner
[19:31] <Piraty> which is good to do before network
[19:32] <tomreyn> Piraty: if you want it earlier, then create system services / triggers, as you should anyways.
[19:32] <uhhhh> i installed a script called InstaRaider when I tried running the script it said something about geckodriver needs to be executable and it said that it needed to be added to path so i installed it in ~/downloads/folder/driver and did export PATH=$PATH:~/downloads/folder/driver in entered when i ran the script again it had the same error of it needing to be added to path, this is the output anonfiles.cc/uploads/fcea5fa8c007b1a8376ea6a67b7790a1.png
[19:32] <Piraty> this is why i hate systemd. working around crappy scripts and crappy daemons by introducing "service dependencies" so my script doesn't fail when network is unavailable because i'm too lazy to test for result codes
[19:32] <uhhhh> this is the script https://github.com/akurtovic/InstaRaider
[19:34] <tomreyn> Hamilton: the first code line on the first answer at https://askubuntu.com/questions/2389/generating-list-of-manually-installed-packages-and-querying-individual-packages gets close to providing a list of manually installed packages. there will be wrong packages listed, but it'S as close as you can get.
[19:35] <tomreyn> DUKENUKEM: this is probably more of a ##networking question.
[19:35] <uhhhh> where should i ask my question
[19:36] <tomreyn> DUKENUKEM: you can use ubuntu utilities such as mtr, traceroute6, ping4 and ping6 to test routing and latencies of connections to both targets, though.
[19:37] <tomreyn> uhhhh: here's the right place to ask ubuntu specific support questions
[19:37] <uhhhh> where>
[19:38] <tomreyn> uhhhh: right here, on this IRC channel, #ubuntu on the irc.freenode.net IRC network
[19:38] <uhhhh> i just asked one
[19:38] <uhhhh> :/
[19:38] <tomreyn> !patience | uhhhh
[19:40] <uhhhh> can u look at it pls above pls
[19:43] <xamithan> did you put the path in the script itself ?
[19:43] <xamithan> fyi this is kind of a general linux question not really related to ubuntu
[19:43] <dadddy> what do you mean the script itself
[19:44] <dadddy> no
[19:45] <xamithan> I don't know how you expect it to get the path unless you add it to the script
[19:45] <dadddy> i didnt know that i had to add it to the script
[19:46] <dadddy> im so lost fam
[19:46] <dadddy> so what would that look like
[19:46] <xamithan> The same thing you posted I assume,  just at the top of your script you want to run
[19:47] <dadddy> im dumb
[19:47] <dadddy> at the top of the script?
[19:47] <xamithan> I guess it doesn't matter where,  just as long as its before the part the path is actually needed
[19:48] <dadddy> i dont think i understand what path is
[19:49] <dadddy>  gtg
[19:49] <xamithan> Well that was strange,  whatever
[20:06] <Electrostrong> Thanks again tomreyn for the help - I changed to https to ensure a direct connection to one of the mirrors
[20:10] <Electrostrong> still can't believe that Comcast is doing a transparent squid proxy on http commands to source repositories though...
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> Electrostrong: what's happening with comcast?
[20:12] <snowgoggles> Electrostrong: it's comcast...so expect anything
[20:13] <Electrostrong> I wasn't able to update my sources today - I believe the error is related to how Comcast uses squid based on the output in debugging: https://pastebin.com/13yX5fJN
[20:14] <leftyfb> Electrostrong: don't use their DNS
[20:14] <leftyfb> Electrostrong: use <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:15] <iosecure> Or <IP_ADDRESS>.
[20:16] <Electrostrong> I went to check - my forwarders for DNS connect to google DNS servers (<IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>) - I do not use any of comcast's DNS servers
[20:17] <Electrostrong> if it's a transparent proxy, my assumption is that this would happen with any DNS server
[20:17] <leftyfb> call Comcast and tell them to turn that off
[20:17] <Electrostrong> agreed
[20:18] <tomreyn> right, it's not dns based
[20:21] <seanrdev> I have a service which doesn't return a failure if it's not able to contact a server. There is an openvpn connection that needs to establish before this service can communicate with the correct server. So my solution is to restart the service however after reading the "Documentation" it appears that this service will be restarted constantly if "Restart=always" is placed in the unit file. Is this correct?
[20:24] <xamithan> If it doesn't return a failure I don't think it restarts
[20:26] <xamithan> Have you thought about adding a dependcy line in the unit file for the openvpn service to be started beforehand
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> They won't leftyfb, Electrostrong ... They're likely doing that to keep up promised speed ratings to your connection
[20:26] <seanrdev> xamithan: Well I verified it doesn't with "Restart=on-failure" or "on-abnormal". It does when "always" is the argument given to Restart. Just worried it constantly restarts.
[20:26] <seanrdev> xamithan: Ok I'll look into that one
[20:29] <qwebirc70595> I can't boot into ubuntu 18.10
[20:31] <qwebirc70595> anyone here?
[20:31] <leftyfb> !details | qwebirc70595
[20:34] <qwebirc70595> When I try to boot into ubuntu 18.10, I just get a black screen.  I believe my graphics card is the problem
[20:37] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: have you tried booting with quiet splash removed to see where it gets stuck during init process
[20:38] <Hamilton> What does pip in Ubuntu refer to? Python3's pip or python2?
[20:38] <tomreyn> qwebirc70595: you might want to discuss what IS your graphics card,
[20:40] <tomreyn> Hamilton: apt search -n '^python.*-pip$'
[20:42] <xamithan> pip3 is usually Py3
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[20:45] <Hamilton> 18
[20:46] <ioria> Hamilton, then pip is 2.7  (python-pip), pip3 is  3.6 (python3-pip)
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: THere is no Ubuntu 18... there is 18.04 and 18.10 ... you need to be very sepcific please
[20:46] <Hamilton> nice thanks..so I should always use pip3
[20:46] <Hamilton> like python3 :\
[20:46] <Hamilton> pragmaticenigma, sorry 18.04
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: If you are using python3 to launch your python application, then yes, you will need to use pip3 to update those libraries
[20:47] <Hamilton> when will ubuntu alias python to 3?
[20:48] <ioria> 18.04
[20:48] <Hamilton> ioria, you sure? it is reporting 2.7.15rc1 for me
[20:49] <ioria> mmm
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I don't think that is completely true. My machine installed 2.7 by default as well, and is configured to use 2.7 unless I specify python3
[20:50] <ioria> yep
[20:50] <qwebirc70595> I have a problem booting ubuntu 18.10. my full description of the problem can be found here: https://pastebin.com/QV9CN59u
[20:51] <ioria> yes, python-minimal
[20:51] <iosecure> 'python' refers to 2.x on all distributions that I know of, including 18.04/18.10. python3 is what you want.
[20:51] <pragmaticenigma> but I do recall seeing an article claiming python3 was supposed to be the default.. perhaps that was for system utilities?
[20:51] <iosecure> python3 is installed by default, and is accessible via 'python3'.
[20:51] <ioria> the poit is python-minimal , not installed by default in 18.04
[20:51] <ioria> *point
[20:53] <ioria> if you upgrade xenial you have python-minimal, but if you have a fresh install of 18.04 you should NOT have it
[20:53] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595:  nomodeset bypasses your installed graphic card drivers. Are you sure you used nomodeset properly?
[20:54] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Yes, I added it in grub after the word ro
[20:54] <ioria> and python-minimal is  2.7.15~rc1 obviusly
[20:55] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: And before quiet splash
[20:55] <phelix> Any idea with newest version of Ubuntu: I have multiple monitors 4 of them. When the computer is in sleep mode all the monitors turn off. However, one of those monitors keeps flashing on and then back off over and over again. Starting to drive me nuts. Didn't used to do this on version 16
[20:55] <TML> I have a machine on 18.04 and I am trying to get its syslog-ng to read from the socket at /run/systemd/journal/syslog so that systemd-journald can be set to Storage=none, but that socket doesn't appear to exist on this box. Google hasn't been much help yet, anyone have some pointers?
[20:56] <ioria> Hamilton, did you upgarde from xenial ?
[20:57] <tomreyn> qwebirc70595: the thing is you shouldnt use "nomodeset", amdgpu works with kernel mode setting just fine. but you should undo the amdgpu installation, if you can, or reinstall.
[20:58] <Hamilton> ioria, I did a fresh bionic install
[20:59] <ioria> Hamilton, dpkg -l | grep python-minimal
[20:59] <bencc> how can I find what font can display "👌"?
[20:59] <bencc> https://emojipedia.org/ok-hand-sign/
[20:59] <Hamilton> ioria, ii  python-minimal                                2.7.15~rc1-1                                            amd64        minimal subset of the Python language (default version)
[20:59] <qwebirc70595> tomreyn: I tried uninstalling it with the shell in recovery mode, using the instructions from amd's website. Didn't boot
[21:00] <ioria> Hamilton, weird, no idea then, but it does not harm have it
[21:00] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: quick suggestions if you have a config issue try live usb boot of 18.10
[21:01] <qwebirc70595> Ik barely anything about linux
[21:01] <qwebirc70595> I've only used it for a few days
[21:01] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: you have a live usb of uubu 18.10?
[21:02] <TML> bencc: https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Gucharmap?action=show&redirect=Gucharmap
[21:02] <snowgoggles> if the gui loads with the live usb then you have a config issue with your install
[21:02] <qwebirc70595> I wanted to try installing 18.04, and formatted my live usb with 18.10 to do it
[21:02] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595:  ^^
[21:03] <bprompt> bencc:    checked whatthefont.com yet?
[21:03] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: so the live usb boots to gui?
[21:03] <bprompt> bencc:   but usually will be a Dingbats or Symbols one
[21:03] <bencc> bprompt: it's emoji. I'm looking for a font that can display it in the browser
[21:03] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Idk, it boots to a black screen also
[21:04] <bprompt> bencc:   right, check whatthefont.com to see what it might be
[21:04] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: your live usb? then how did your install 18.10 to your hard drive?
[21:05] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: nomodeset
[21:05] <bencc> bprompt: that's not what this website is for
[21:05] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: what graphics drivers did you install?
[21:05] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: amdgpu-pro
[21:06] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: they come from amd's official website
[21:07] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: verified your specific card is supported with that proprietary package you installed?
[21:08] <qwebirc70595> I think I specified my card at the website
[21:08] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: can you get a login prompt if you go to console using ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[21:09] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: lemme try that
[21:11] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: wait where do I do it?
[21:11] <TML> bencc: you just want a font to load in your CSS that will render the emoji glyphs in visitor's web browsers?
[21:11] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595:  if you boot and only a blinking cursor...then try ctrl-alt-f1 to see if you can console login
[21:12] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: dosen't work
[21:13] <bencc> TML: I want the browser to automatically render it without special css
[21:14] <bencc> TML: it does on desktop. now trying to find the font to install on headless server
[21:14] <TML> bencc: Then just look at which font your desktop browser is using for that glyph
[21:14] <bencc> TML: how?
[21:15] <TML> which browser do you use?
[21:15] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: also the blinking cursor only happens with nomodesetting, disabling it gives the black screen
[21:15] <max3> why doesn't ssh-copy-id work here https://paste.rs/vtT
[21:15] <bencc> TML: Chrome
[21:15] <TML> bencc: so highlight the character and right-click on the highlight, choose "Inspect" from the menu that appears
[21:15] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: can you try using the recovery mode from the grub menu on boot
[21:16] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: recovery mode works
[21:17] <TML> bencc: in the Developer Tools window that comes up, go to the "Elements" tab and choose "Computed" from the right pane, then look for the CSS property "Font-family"
[21:17] <TJ-> max3: maybe the server stores the public keys in a different location to that which ssh-copy-id expects
[21:17] <max3> TJ-, it's ubuntu
[21:17] <max3> TJ-, i've by hand even copied my public kdy
[21:17] <TML> bencc: https://imgur.com/a/a5QzX7j
[21:18] <max3> here's the entire debug log
[21:18] <max3> https://paste.rs/PA5
[21:18] <max3> oh lol
[21:18] <max3> debug1: Remote: Ignored authorized keys: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/maksim
[21:18] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: login and run this command to see if the card is detected properly  lspci -vnn | grep  'VGA'
[21:20] <bencc> TML: isn't this on windows?
[21:20] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: then do I reboot?
[21:20] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: disregard that it said amd/ati when I did the command
[21:21] <bencc> TML: is it that simple? ubuntu probably has fallback font and a fallback specific to this unicode
[21:21] <max3> TJ-, nope that wasn't the problem
[21:21] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: wow I suck at texting, it detected my card
[21:22] <TJ-> max3: on the client using -vvv for more debug info mioght help; otherwise check the server's ssh service log
[21:22] <bencc> TML: in my page its: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;<!
[21:22] <bencc> TML: but I don't know how to get the specific fallback ubuntu use for this char
[21:22] <TML> bencc: So it's either one of those first 3, or the default fallback for 'sans-serif'
[21:22] <TML> My guess would be the first
[21:23] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: run this glxinfo | grep 'OpenGL renderer'
[21:23] <TML> bencc: It doesn't choose fallback based on "character" - the way CSS works, it will render the glyph in the first available font from that list.
[21:24] <TML> bencc: If "Helvetica Neue" is installed, you get whatever "Helvetica Neue" has for that glyph
[21:24] <bencc> TML: fc-match "Helvetica Neue" gives me DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
[21:24] <bencc> TML: what package install DejaVuSans.ttf?
[21:25] <TJ-> bencc: "dpkg -S DejaVuSans.ttf"
[21:26] <TML> bencc: DejaVu Sans doesn't have that glyph
[21:26] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I didn't have mesa on my computer, and I just installed mesa-utils. The command said: Error: unable to open display
[21:26] <bencc> TML: but it displays properly in Chrome
[21:26] <bencc> when I add fonts-noto-color-emoji to the server it display this font
[21:27] <bencc> but maybe there is more 'standard' font I can use
[21:27] <hggdh> there are 10+ packages providing a DejaVuSans ttf...
[21:28] <max3> TJ-, now i'm getting a really weird thing happening: one ssh connection under an account (from different clients even)
[21:28] <snowgoggles> what is the model of your amd card? and provide link th
[21:29] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595:  to the amd download driver page please
[21:29] <bencc> should I use fonts-noto-color-emoji or fonts-emojione?
[21:29] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595:  brb in 5
[21:35] <bleb> i see a lot of people using ubuntu on their servers; what does ubuntu server offer that debian doesn't?
[21:35] <bleb> i always saw ubuntu as a desktop os
[21:37] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: u back yet? I'm on amd's driver download page, and selected my card
[21:39] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: paste a link here to the amd page please
[21:41] <qwebirc70595> https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/radeon-500-series/radeon-rx-500-series/radeon-rx-550
[21:43] <iosecure> bleb: For one, Ubuntu doesn't make insane security-impacting changes to packages in the name of licensing.
[21:44] <klemax> hello. I tried to install tigervncserver on 18.04.  My xstartup file is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tSQMKxR5bs/
[21:44] <iosecure> bleb: At the end of the day, there are a lot of reasons people prefer to use Ubuntu instead of Debian. Are you looking for someone to convince you of something?
[21:45] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: this amd page is referencing 18.04 ubu only no prop driver for 18.10 listed
[21:45] <klemax> VNC server does not accept my connections on :1. whats wrong with it? Any ideas?
[21:45] <qwebirc70595> should I install 18.04 then?
[21:45] <klemax> I guess i'm missing something in my xstartup file.
[21:46] <Shasirax_> I'm on hour 28 of running a ddrescue on my 3TB hdd with a bad sector. Avg rate: 2831 kb/s. I'm at a decent 9.72% and I'm feeling hopefull... Anyone have any tips how to make this go faster? Or stuff to do while waiting? :P
[21:46] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595:  won't work on 18.10 you would have to uninstall it and install the open source driver
[21:46] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I'll try that!
[21:46] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: depends what new features in 18.10 you need
[21:52] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I'm installing 18.04.1 now, deleted 18.10 to make room for it
[21:54] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Also where is the open source driver?
[21:54] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: that amd prop driver should work on 18.04.  before installing it update 18.04 with sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[21:55] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I'll do that when it's installed
[21:57] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: if you are installing 18.04 then you can use the amd prop driver from their website but run the ubu update commands i reference above before installing the amd prop driver
[22:01] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I'm updating and it's taking forever. Anything else I should do after it's done?
[22:03] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: after ubu updates and upgrades installed packages...install the amd driver and it should prompt what to do next
[22:22] <Hackwar> hi folks, I'm not exactly a noob, but I'm currently a bit stuck with something that should be very simple. I have a program that is controlled via environment variables and I got the configuration in a file named .env_dev with lots of lines of "export VARNAME=value" (without quotes), but when I do "sh .env_dev" and then do a printenv for one of the vars, I get nothing.
[22:23] <Hackwar> What do I have to do to execute that files content?
[22:24] <Hackwar> or run the commands in that file or whatever you want to call it
[22:29] <xamithan> If you want those to be in your current shell session you need to source them
[22:30] <xamithan> source ./.env_dev
[22:31] <Hackwar> THX! Works!
[22:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> don't use source
[22:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's a bashism.
[22:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> . is the posix equivalent
[22:31] <NoImNotNineVolt> e.g.:  . ./.env_dev
[22:31] <xamithan> Well I assumed he was doing bash,  but yeah what NoImNotNineVolt said
[22:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> (admittedly, . isn't very readable, and i didn't know source was a bashism until relatively recently)
[22:37] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: idk if you're still here, but the problem came back
[22:38] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: after the prop amd driver or before?
[22:38] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: after
[22:39] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: was there instructions during the amd install?
[22:39] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: After the installation, the terminal said: WARNING: nomodesetting detected in kernal parameters, amdgpu-pro only supports KMS
[22:40] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: although I already knew this when we started
[22:40] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: have you installed any linux distro with this card before?
[22:41] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Yes, I've installed debian on there, and then deleted the partitions during the setup to make room for ubuntu
[22:41] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: run this and tell me the driver name that is output --> lshw -c video | grep 'driver'
[22:44] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: the output all printed on the same line, so I couldn't get the output
[22:44] <Bashing-om> snowgoggles: qwebirc70595 A thought, check that nomodeset is not set ?
[22:45] <qwebirc70595> Bashing-om: disabling nomodetest causes a black screen
[22:45] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: for sure you installed 18.04? verify with this lsb_release -a
[22:47] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: yup, 18.04 is definitely on there
[22:47] <Bashing-om> qwebirc70595: tried it lately afeter the driver re-install ? as the system says no cab do with nomodeset set .
[22:48] <Bashing-om> no can do**
[22:48] <qwebirc70595> Bashing-om: I knew that already, and yes, I tried it without nomodeset right after rebooting for the driver
[22:49] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: i get this feeling your grub menu entry is hardcoded wrong or are you entering nomodeset manually?
[22:49] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I entered it during the install process, as the usb would also do the black screen without it
[22:51] <phelix> Any idea with newest version of Ubuntu: I have multiple monitors 4 of them. When the computer is in sleep mode all the monitors turn off. However, one of those monitors keeps flashing on and then back off over and over again. Starting to drive me nuts. Didn't used to do this on version 16
[22:51] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: ok so there is a prob with the amd prop driver on your setup. try entering this again lshw -c video | grep 'driver'
[22:51] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: that will list the name of current display driver in use
[22:52] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: the output glitches in an undescribable way, but I can't see it
[22:52] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I also think the reinstall downgraded the linux kernal
[22:52] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: try again with sudo lshw -c video | grep 'driver'
[22:53] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: same thing
[22:53] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: yes goin from 18.10 to 18.04 will downgrade the kernel
[22:54] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: you entered that command exactly?
[22:54] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: should output only 1 line of text
[22:54] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: yup, the only thing I could make out was usb
[22:55] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: each word overwrites the last
[22:55] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: that's odd
[22:56] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: try lshw -c video then scroll up to the video card section
[22:56] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: should I do it in recovery mode or the grub command line?
[22:56] <snowgoggles> you booted into gui with nomodeset currently?
[22:57] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: yup
[22:58] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: also the video command did the same thing at first, then properly printed out a block of text
[22:58] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: sudo lshw -c video command show anything?
[22:59] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: ^^
[22:59] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: block of text? multi lines? scroll up to video section
[22:59] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: video section?
[23:00] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: sorry thinking of other command
[23:00] <snowgoggles> so nothing with sudo lshw -c video ?
[23:01] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: it tells me "display UNCLAIMED" and information about my graphics card
[23:02] <Bashing-om> snowgoggles: qwebirc70595 :: uppercase 'C' might do the trick here ??
[23:03] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: ok so the line "configuration" lists what as driver=
[23:03] <qwebirc70595> Basshing-om: nope, same thing for both commands
[23:04] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: ok so the line "configuration" lists what as driver=
[23:04] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: it says latency=0
[23:05] <Bashing-om> qwebirc70595: Yukkie .. be nice to see that output .. ' sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999 ' and give us back the resulting URL .
[23:06] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: ok it's not listing because of nomodeset.  i would strip these from boot entry temporarily "quiet splash nomodeset" this will allow you to view the boot/init process and show the display driver errors to narrow down the problem
[23:07] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: how do I disable it in recovery mode if the changes to the config scrap unless you try to boot?
[23:09] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: don't boot to recovery mode that will always be text console only.  temp edit the top entry in grub menu and strip quiet splash to view any boot process errors
[23:10] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: brb in 10m
[23:10] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: k
[23:11] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: brb prob longer
[23:17] <thgilfodrol> is there an email address for the maintainer(s) of paste.ubuntu.com?
[23:17] <thgilfodrol> I'd like to write a script to grab the contents of a large amount of specific pastes, but I'd like to double check if I'd be allowed to do so
[23:22] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: k im back
[23:28] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: you boot with quiet splash nomodeset removed?
[23:30] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: yup, still black screen
[23:30] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: that would list the boot process and should show where your system is hanging
[23:31] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: just a blinkiing cursor?
[23:32] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I'm still getting that black screen, so I'm assuming it's there, just that the graphics card fails
[23:32] <snowgoggles> ctrl-alt-f1 to get to text login?
[23:33] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: nope, still black
[23:35] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: might have to wait for someone else to help.  something not right with the prop amd driver on your system.  i would remove it and try the open source amd driver
[23:35] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: What driver is that?
[23:36] <snowgoggles> the amd open source driver is builtin
[23:36] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: so with nomodeset can you get to gui?
[23:37] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: sometimes I can
[23:37] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I uninstalled it back on 18.10 with recovery mode and it still didn't work
[23:38] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: why you keep re-installing back and forth?
[23:39] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: you on 18.10 now with gui?
[23:39] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I'm still on 18.04
[23:40] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I meant I uninstalled the driver while I was still in 18.10
[23:40] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: i'm confused...yopu have both installed in seperate partitions?
[23:41] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: nope, I deleted 18.10 to install 18.04 (even though the home partition stayed)
[23:42] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: yeah that's ok to have home on a diff partition than the system root
[23:43] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: it's hard to help if you keep switching disto versions.
[23:43] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: I just switched once
[23:43] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: you staying with 18.04?
[23:43] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Yuo
[23:43] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Yup*
[23:44] <snowgoggles> and is the amd prop driver currently installed?
[23:44] <qwebirc70595> snowgoggles: Yup
[23:44] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: so it's obviously not installed right. i would try removing it and try the open source driver built into ubu 18.04
[23:47] <snowgoggles> qwebirc70595: to verify the prop amd driver is installed what does the following commad show? dpkg -l amdgpu-pro