[09:55] <tjaalton> hmm, so x86 suspend issues should be fixed on natty? I still get bug 704550
[09:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704550 in linux "Lenovo Thinkpad X61 fails to resume from suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704550
[12:35] <lag> apw: It seems we have the right idea already: https://wiki.linaro.org/PackageYourOwnKernel
[12:35] <lag> apw: Thanks for your help :)
[12:38] <apw> lag hehe good
[15:43] <quup> I compiled the kernel just fine, I get the linux-image and linux-headers-...-generic package, the kernel boots and everything
[15:44] <quup> but I can't install the headers package because: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-headers-2.6.38-1-generic:
[15:44] <quup>  linux-headers-2.6.38-1-generic depends on linux-headers-2.6.38-1; however:
[15:44] <quup>   Package linux-headers-2.6.38-1 is not installed.
[15:44] <quup> how do I get a .deb for that as well?
[15:44] <apw> quup, what did you build ?  binary-generic ?
[15:44] <quup> apw: exactly
[15:44] <apw> you also need to build binary-indep for the common headers
[15:44] <quup> oh ok, thanks!
[15:44] <smb> Or binary-headers
[15:46] <apw> yeah binary-headers looks to do the least
[15:57] <quup> worked perfectly! thanks :)
[16:50] <stgraber> apw: oops, indeed, that channel is probably a lot better for that kind of discussion :)
[16:51] <apw> stgraber, this is the right time to move
[16:51] <apw> stgraber, so if you could get the whole dmesg in case there is anything before of interest that'd be good
[16:51] <apw> stgraber, i suspect a locking issue from the diagnostic
[16:51] <apw> is it easy for you to test a debug kernel in this setup?
[16:52] <stgraber> yep, as soon as I get the VM re-installed, I'll make a snapshot to make sure I won't trash it again. Then testing will be easy
[16:52] <apw> stgraber, thanks
[16:53] <apw> stgraber, i'll shove some debug in and get something building in the meantime
[16:53] <stgraber> cdimage is a bit slow so I'll need 15min to get a natty desktop image, then I just need to install it, install nbd-server and export some empty file ;)
[16:56] <apw> my build server may be large, but its not going to be done before you :)
[16:58] <apw> stgraber, 32 or 64 bit ?
[17:00] <stgraber> apw: that one is 32bit
[17:00] <stgraber> though if that's useful for debugging, I had the same issue with 64bit on Monday
[17:00] <apw> stgraber, ok ... building with some lock debug
[17:00] <apw> stgraber, don't care, just don't want to make both for speed reasons
[17:00] <apw> building 32 bit now
[17:20] <apw> stgraber, kernel will be here in about 5 mins ... http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp711951-natty/
[17:27] <apw> stgraber, ok kernel is there
[17:33] <apw> stgraber, poke me when you have tested it
[17:38] <apw> kees, could we get a mergy merge please, bored of these results
[17:39] <apw> kees, how hard would it be to have a shadow set which are built from our tip, just for our packages, obviously emitted somewhere else
[17:40] <kees> apw: the entire export mechanism is already in the cve tracker. just need to set env vars and type "make" in the toplevel dir.
[17:41] <JFo> <- grabbing lunch
[17:41] <apw> kees, got a recipe you use on people ?  then i can just dup it into mine :)
[17:41] <kees> apw: but I can try to set up an automatic thing
[17:41] <apw> kees, happy to run it myself if its that easy
[17:42] <apw> i assume all the pre-reqs are on people if you can run it
[17:42] <kees> apw: yeah, see ~ubuntu-security/bin/html-report.sh
[17:42] <kees> apw: /home/ubuntu-security/bin/cron-cve-tracker.sh does the bzr pull before calling html-report.sh
[17:42] <kees> apw: yup
[17:43] <kees> you'll need ~ubuntu-security/.ubuntu-cve-tracker.conf for the repo settings
[17:44] <apw> kees, cool will have a look at it tommorrow
[17:47] <kees> okay
[17:59] <stgraber> apw: just got back from lunch, looking at it now
[18:00] <apw> stgraber, ahh ok
[18:06] <apw> kees, ok that was so easy its already done :)
[18:07] <apw> smb, sconklin, bjf, this url points to the kernel package etc as per the cve tracker, but showing the status as from the tip of our branch: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/cve/pkg/linux.html
[18:08] <apw> auto updating much like the original
[18:08] <apw> now we are not beholden to security team merges to get team status
[18:09] <sconklin> "a man with two watched never knows what time it is. A man with one is always certain"
[18:09] <sconklin> But nice job. At least we know which one to believe
[18:09] <apw> they just mean differnt things.  one is how we thinkg we are doing, the other is how security think we are doing
[18:09] <kees> apw: it's so easy to use. :)
[18:09] <sconklin> yeah
[18:10] <apw> kees, to get data out of yes :-p
[18:10] <kees> heh
[18:10] <apw> but we are instant gratification junkies here
[18:10] <kees> apw: you may want to start using scripts/check-syntax too, otherwise the exports might blow up a bit if things aren't sane
[18:11] <apw> kees, tried runinng it, but it needed unspecified pre-reqs to run and exploded in a heap
[18:11] <kees> hm
[18:12] <apw> kees, well we'll see it first anyhow, if our own tables explode
[18:12] <kees> apw: now that you have the ~/.ubuntu-cve-tracker.conf, check-syntax should work
[18:28] <stgraber> apw: same issue with the new kernel
[18:28] <apw> stgraber, yeah not expecting anything fixed by it ... but some text in the dmesg
[18:28] <apw> with APW in it
[18:30] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561540/
[18:30] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561541/
[18:30] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561542/
[18:31] <stgraber> first paste is before starting nbd-client, second is after the first nbd-client, third is after the second nbd-client
[18:32]  * tgardner --> lunch
[18:32] <stgraber> apw: ^ (not sure how closely you monitor the channel ;))
[18:33] <apw> stgraber, always best to add my nick, i am easily distracted by shiney objects
[18:34] <apw> stgraber, have you got the entire thing as one dmesg?
[18:34] <stgraber> I can cat all of them together ;)
[18:34] <apw> i think its telling me the storey just not sure
[18:34] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561545/
[18:35] <apw> if you are 100% sure its the complete dmesg thats great
[18:35] <stgraber> I basically did a "dmesg -c" between each so I shouldn't have lost any entry
[18:35] <apw> [   26.659231] APW: taken
[18:35] <apw> [   27.660130] Dev nbd0: unable to read RDB block 8
[18:35] <apw> [   27.660144]  nbd0: unable to read partition table
[18:35] <apw> [   27.660148] nbd0: partition table beyond EOD, truncated
[18:35] <apw> [   36.754723] APW: taking &nbd_mutex
[18:35] <apw> ok ... so that says an error path is not dropping the lock
[18:35] <apw> not the last one but the one before!?!
[18:40] <apw> stgraber, damn not enough info to diagnose ... will have to spin you another kenel, you about for a bit ?
[18:42] <stgraber> apw: yep
[18:42] <apw> stgraber, ooo might have an idea... what are the userspace tools called ?
[18:43] <stgraber> nbd-client and nbd-server
[18:44] <apw> stgraber, ooo I think I have it
[18:47] <apw> stgraber, ok i have a theory, it might be bunnies
[18:47] <apw> stgraber, building a test kernel with more debug to confirm
[18:47] <stgraber> ok :)
[19:11] <apw> stgraber, ok updated kernel in the same place
[19:11] <stgraber> apw: ok, downloading it now
[19:16] <stgraber> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561560/
[19:16] <stgraber> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561559/
[19:17] <stgraber> management to connect to it quite a few times, no hang
[19:17] <apw> stgraber, i assume that is good yes?
[19:17] <apw> stgraber, shame we didn't know about this a little earlier, we could have had this fixed for a2
[19:18] <stgraber> apw: yep, that's perfect. I'm doing a bit more testing on it, mounting the same volume 6 times and trying to play with each mount, then unmount
[19:18] <stgraber> to make sure it doesn't freeze at some point, but it looks great for now
[19:18] <apw> stgraber, i think the fix is clear so i'll push it upstream
[19:19] <stgraber> root@isotest-ltsp:/mnt# nbd-client -d /dev/nbd1
[19:19] <stgraber> Error: Cannot open NBD: Permission denied
[19:19] <stgraber> Please ensure the 'nbd' module is loaded.
[19:19] <apw> stgraber, what triggered that
[19:19] <stgraber> just trying to unmount
[19:19] <stgraber> s/unmount/disconnect/
[19:19] <stgraber> seems like I can connect fine but can't disconnect
[19:19] <apw> hrm, i suspect that thats been in there for a long time
[19:20] <apw> as nothing has changed other than this locking
[19:20] <stgraber> open("/dev/nbd1", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE)   = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[19:20] <apw> but i suspect its a different bug
[19:20] <stgraber> that'll still make ltsp to fail as I need to connect, check the block device and disconnect everytime. If disconnect fails, the check will either be pointless or will crash somehow
[19:21] <apw> well as i say there are exactly 0 changes other than this specific lock change
[19:21] <apw> which only affect ioctl
[19:21] <apw> so i am suspicious its not new
[19:21] <stgraber> wasn't there in maverick ;) though might be caused by the new client
[19:22] <apw> the EACCESS cirtianly implies the kernel hated you
[19:23] <apw> stgraber, can you look see hwat nbd devices are listed in /sys
[19:23] <apw> stgraber, anything in dmesg in concert with the open failure ?
[19:24] <stgraber> nope, nothing shows up in dmesg
[19:24] <stgraber>  /sys shows all 16 devices
[19:24] <apw> stgraber, and are there any nbd-client thingies running?
[19:25] <apw> and any nbd_threads ?
[19:25] <stgraber> yep, my 7 nbd-client are still there
[19:25] <apw> so you cannot stop any of them ?
[19:25] <stgraber> indeed
[19:25] <stgraber> and they are still working
[19:25] <stgraber> so if I do: nbd-client -d /dev/nbd0
[19:25] <stgraber> I get the error message
[19:26] <stgraber> then if I try to mount it, it works just fine
[19:26] <apw> and its not mounted
[19:26] <apw> what does lsof /dev/nbd1 say
[19:26] <stgraber> yep, I unmounted all of them before testing the disconnect
[19:26] <stgraber> COMMAND    PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
[19:26] <stgraber> nbd-clien 1395 root    3u   BLK  43,16      0t0 5489 /dev/nbd1
[19:29] <stgraber> same issue using maverick's nbd-client
[19:30] <stgraber> quickly trying to connect on the same nbd server from a maverick VM to make sure it worked fine then
[19:31] <stgraber> root@desktop-maverick01:~# nbd-client -d /dev/nbd1
[19:31] <stgraber> Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, done
[19:31] <stgraber> apw: that's with the same userspace on both natty and maverick, so something must have change somewhere in the kernel
[19:32] <apw> stgraber, yep ... shame we don't test more often
[19:33] <stgraber> Should be possible to make some automatic test of it, that's basically what I did to get a test environment: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561547/
[19:34] <stgraber> then nbd-client -d /dev/nbdX to test the disconnect
[19:38] <kees> anyone have clues on how to further debug kernel-only edid failures? bug 712075
[19:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712075 in linux "[drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712075
[19:39]  * bjf -> lunch
[19:40] <ohsix> kees: ask ickle :]
[19:41] <kees> ohsix: okay, cool
[19:41] <kees> ohsix: where can I find them?
[19:41] <ohsix> a lot are just plain wrong though; but theres a sysfs file to write a working cached copy iirc
[19:41] <ohsix> #intel-gfx
[19:41] <kees> ohsix: the issue with this is that it spontaneously fails. it works most of them time and then in the middle of a running session, bombs out
[19:42] <ohsix> ah
[19:46] <apw> stgraber, are you able to compile the user space tools ?
[19:47] <apw> if so could you try changng the open in disconnect() to be a O_RDONLY open and see if it works then ?
[19:48] <stgraber> grabbing the source now
[19:49] <apw> not sure if it makes sense that it cannot open it RDWR but wnat to know if that helps
[19:51] <stgraber> root@isotest-ltsp:~/nbd-2.9.16# nbd-client -d /dev/nbd1
[19:51] <stgraber> Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, done
[19:52] <stgraber> worked fine
[19:59] <apw> stgraber, hrm
[19:59] <apw> stgraber, are there any normal commands, like status ones, from that client
[20:00] <apw> and if so do they work
[20:04] <stgraber> apw: hmm, now I can disconnect but can't reconnect after that ...
[20:04] <stgraber> I have a confcall just now, will continue debugging after that
[20:04] <apw> try making the other open thats RDWR in the thing RDONLY
[20:04] <apw> pretty sure you shouldn't need to, but suspect it will work
[20:07] <apw> stgraber, do you have a complete strace ?
[20:08] <apw> stgraber, of the sucessful attach the first time
[20:09] <apw>         if (ioctl(nbd, BLKROSET, (unsigned long) &read_only) < 0)
[20:09] <apw>                 err("Unable to set read-only attribute for device");
[20:09] <apw> stgraber, i think it is doing it to itself ... seting the device read only so even it cannot open it
[20:10] <apw> possibly that is hanging over on last close and it should not, but i think it is right that the disconnect cannot open
[20:10] <stgraber> apw: making all of them read-only works fine :)
[20:11] <apw> stgraber, and you can  mount the disk still ?
[20:11] <bryceh> JFo, mind putting kees' bug 712075 on the kernel team's review list?  Gots a patch from upstream.
[20:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712075 in linux "[drm:drm_edid_block_valid] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712075
[20:12]  * JFo opens the bug
[20:12] <apw> bryceh, JFo done
[20:12] <JFo> will do bryceh :)
[20:12] <JFo> ooh, he's quick on the draw that one :)
[20:13] <JFo> thanks apw
[20:13] <apw> stgraber, i am not sure if i know if the userspace was broken or the kernel is now broken
[20:15] <apw> stgraber, will think on that for a bit
[20:17] <apw> stgraber, can u stress test the open close mount unmounts against it with the new tools
[20:17] <apw> and let me knwo if anything else goes wrong
[20:17] <apw> cirtianly test you can read/write files on the filesystems inside
[20:19] <bryceh> apw, JFo, thanks
[20:21] <soren> apw: I think 711951 is a dupe.
[20:22] <soren> apw: I've just sent a patch to lkml to fix a lockig issue in nbd.
[20:22] <soren> I was looking for the bug reference on launchpad when I found this new one.
[20:24] <stgraber> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561592/
[20:24] <soren> stgraber: ^
[20:25] <soren> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/2/2/237
[20:25] <stgraber> soren: so both of you fixed it apparently ;)
[20:26] <soren> I've just sent the patch to the kernel-team ml.
[20:27]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:29] <tgardner> soren, has Paul queued it for upstream submission ?
[20:30] <soren> tgardner: He told me to send it directly to akpm.
[20:30] <soren> tgardner: I suppose that's a "yes".
[20:30] <tgardner> soren: ok, I'll pull it in until it conflicts with the next rc candidate.
[20:37] <soren> tgardner: ta very much.
[20:37] <tgardner> apw, did you already have something on deck for this nbd lockup ?
[20:37] <soren> I gues I should hav eincluded this link in my e-mail: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/1/26/131
[20:37] <tgardner> soren, I'll include it in the commit log
[20:49] <apw> tgardner, yes
[20:49] <apw> about to send it out
[20:49] <tgardner> apw, check master-next first, perhaps we're colliding
[20:50] <apw> tgardner, yeah i see that hallyn has a different approach removing it
[20:50] <apw> hrm
[20:50] <apw> tgardner, ahh ok so you pushed it, then i'll wait and do nothing
[20:50] <tgardner> apw, well, they pretty much just ripped it out.
[20:50] <tgardner> the mutex, I mean
[20:50] <apw> tgardner, yeah, their argument is its not needed.  hard to say
[20:51] <tgardner> apw, guess we'll find out when it goes to akpm
[20:51] <apw> my patch does the opposite, and drops it during the long lived ioctl
[20:51] <apw> yep
[20:52] <apw> tgardner, so much for that effort :/
[20:52] <apw> such is life
[20:54] <tgardner> some days you bite the bear, some days the bear bites back
[20:54] <apw> yeah ... food then i recon
[20:58] <bryceh> apw, I'm about to forward bug #711275 upstream - seems a bit false positive-ish - but want to check first if this is something you already know about?
[20:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711275 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[gm45] GPU lockup (EIR: 0x00000010) during boot - EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711275
[20:58] <bryceh> apw, it appears to me that the GPU is hanging during boot but successfully resetting itself, but this still generates an apport crash report
[21:01] <apw> bryceh, hrm, doesn't that sound a lot like the other one, the one where they recently said 'blacklisting vesafb fixes things'
[21:01] <apw> though this continues rather than breaking
[21:01] <bryceh> yeah
[21:01] <apw> bug #702090
[21:01] <apw> and didn't you send that up already?
[21:01]  * apw pokes ubot2
[21:01] <bryceh> apw, yeah you're right
[21:01] <apw> sounds like they are being luckier, perhaps ask them to try the blacklist
[21:01] <bryceh> apw, actually I hadn't sent that one upstream yet, but it does look similarish
[21:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702090 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "i965gm GPU lockup if vesafb is left loaded (EIR: 0x00000010 PGTBL_ER: 0x00000100)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702090
[21:02] <apw> bryceh, so i recon send one or other up, and test the vesafb thing on the new one
[21:02] <bryceh> or maybe it's bug #686388 which I did revisit
[21:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686388 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965gm] GPU lockup - Invalid GTT entry during Display B Fetch" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686388
[21:02] <bryceh> anyway can't hurt to send another report up, thanks.
[21:02] <apw> what happens when we flip over to to the drmfb doesn't bare thinking about
[21:02] <bryceh> o_O
[21:02] <apw> layering violations just isn't in it
[21:04] <apw> we don't give anyone any time to handle the loss of the old driver
[21:04] <apw> even the people with it open get a nasty shock
[21:04] <apw> (plymouth)
[21:08] <bryceh> erf
[21:09] <bryceh> apw, btw I'm also seeing a spate of 'GPU hanging too fast, declaring wedged!' bugs - #710321  711645  711691
[21:10] <bryceh>  bug #710321
[21:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 710321 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965gm] GPU lockup during login - GPU hanging too fast, declaring wedged!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710321
[21:16] <apw> bryceh, does that mean "i reset it a few times and it broke again and i am giving up"
[21:16] <bryceh> apw, seems like a good guess
[21:17] <bryceh> apw, but this is the first time I've seen that particular syntax in a message, so dunno if it's generic verbage or something specific
[21:17] <apw> yeah odd indeed
[21:20] <apw> 0x00000a78:      0x0a000002: MI_DISPLAY_BUFFER_INFO
[21:20] <apw> Bad length (4) in MI_DISPLAY_BUFFER_INFO, [3, 3]
[21:20] <bryceh> huh
[21:20] <bryceh> that looks promising
[21:21] <apw> bryceh, that looks bad, wouldn't that be a mesa injection thing
[21:21] <bryceh> could be
[21:23] <apw> 0x000010b8:      0x0a000002: MI_DISPLAY_BUFFER_INFO
[21:23] <apw> Bad length (4) in MI_DISPLAY_BUFFER_INFO, [3, 3]
[21:23] <apw> more than one in here too
[21:23] <apw> so if each was breaking it ... that might make sense
[21:24] <bryceh> where'd you spot that Bad length error?
[21:24] <bryceh> oh I see it
[21:24] <apw> in the gpu dump yeah
[21:25] <apw> of course it could be the dump tool thats wrong :/
[21:26] <apw> 0x00014a88:      0x0a000002: MI_DISPLAY_BUFFER_INFO
[21:26] <apw> Bad length (4) in MI_DISPLAY_BUFFER_INFO, [3, 3]
[21:26] <apw> there are a number in here
[21:26] <bryceh> yeah the other bugs have it too
[21:27] <apw> i suspect we could do with an arsenal script to look through these for errors and put them in as a comment on the bug
[21:28] <bryceh> apw, yeah
[21:28] <bryceh> actually what I'd like to do is modify the gpu hook itself to extract the warnings for us directly
[21:29] <apw> bryceh, a better plan indeed if you can be bothered :)
[21:29] <bryceh> and that's on my todo list, but down under a few other bigger priorities currently
[21:30] <apw> there seem to be similar quantities of these errors in the ring as there are hangs in the dmesg
[21:30] <apw> so i suspect they are worth investigating
[21:30] <apw> bryceh, is there somewhere i could find a document on the format of the ring to see what it says for the sizes etc
[21:30] <bryceh> apw, btw check out - http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg
[21:32] <apw> intel is a problem :)
[21:32] <bryceh> apw, yeah probably at http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html
[21:32] <bryceh> apw, and thus my interest in these gpu bugs today ;-)
[21:32] <apw> heh indeed
[21:33] <bryceh> and http://www.x.org/docs/intel/ looks like it has mirrors of the docs
[21:45]  * apw screams about unity being balls
[21:45]  * apw cannot cope with the stacking issues
[21:45] <apw> how hard is it to stack windows in the right order
[21:47] <jjohansen> apw: obviously harder than crashing
[22:55] <bjf> apw, jjohansen, look at it this way, it's harder for people to notice kernel bugs when their desktop keeps crashing (or they don't have one)
[22:56] <bjf> apw, jjohansen, there's a pony in there somewhere :-)
[22:56] <apw> nice, a bright side
[23:11] <jjohansen> whee yet another pathological oom killer death


[00:00] <soee> yofel, ok thanks for your help :) have a good night
[02:09] <programming> Amarok is telling me that it cant find an "id3 plugin" for python
[02:09] <programming> but I have python-id3 installed and tried to fix it through amarok too, to no avail
[02:09] <programming> it's preventing me from playing music
[02:10] <programming> I don't think I can file a bug, because this was originally an xubuntu system, and I then installed kubuntu-desktop later on after purging xfce.
[02:10] <programming> any ideas on how to fix this?
[02:10] <programming> My main thought is to reinstall all the dependencies of amarok, or at least the python related ones.
[02:13] <LINKSWORD2> Excellent.
[02:14] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, tjones
[02:15] <kingh3mp> testing
[02:15] <LINKSWORD2> Welcome. :)
[02:15] <kingh3mp> there we r hi im a noob
[02:15] <LINKSWORD2> Hello there, n00b. I was talking to you on Facebook. :P
[02:16] <kingh3mp> hi greig
[02:16] <kingh3mp> nerd
[02:16] <kingh3mp> lol
[02:16] <kingh3mp> down load is done
[02:17] <LINKSWORD2> Open the file where it downloaded to, and click it to open.
[02:17] <LINKSWORD2> It should ask for your password to authenticate install rights.
[02:18] <kingh3mp> crud lol 1 sec
[02:18] <kingh3mp> i goofed
[02:19] <LINKSWORD2> I've messaged you in a one-on-one chat, which will appear on the left side in this chat.
[02:29] <LINKSWORD2> Hey everybody. I've been cooperating with kingh3mp on Facebook to try and resolve issues with a game that's not working for him. (ONLINE game)
[02:30] <LINKSWORD2> I decided that we need community help.
[02:30] <kingh3mp> idk its old lol
[02:32] <kingh3mp> im ready to blow it up
[02:32] <kingh3mp> stupid hp
[02:32] <kingh3mp> as bad  as a chevy
[02:32] <LINKSWORD2> I got it working for you. lol I didn't know it wouldn't work with your games....
[02:33] <kingh3mp> wont work on u tube
[02:33] <kingh3mp> barely works face book
[02:33] <kingh3mp> email is ok
[02:35] <kingh3mp> i g2g soon
[02:41] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech:
[02:41] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: pong
[02:42] <LINKSWORD2> Er.... lol kingh3mp needs help, and I've run out of ideas for the moment.
[02:42] <Daskreech> hi kingh3mp What's the issue?
[02:43] <kingh3mp> things  like youtube an face book barely run
[02:43] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: Can I fill you in on things via PM?
[02:44] <kingh3mp> ya
[02:44] <Daskreech> As in Flash works but it's horibly slow?
[02:44] <Daskreech> What's the architecture you are on?
[02:44] <Daskreech>  32 or 64 bit?
[02:44] <LINKSWORD2> .... Dang. Daskreech, you nailed it.
[02:45] <LINKSWORD2> It's an old HP laptop, 32-bit.
[02:45] <kingh3mp> ya laggy mouse white patches
[02:45] <Daskreech> well when you have a hammer....
[02:45] <LINKSWORD2> Pavilion DV1000.
[02:45] <Daskreech> how old? Flash10 is terribly CPU hungry?
[02:45] <kingh3mp> 6 years
[02:45] <LINKSWORD2> *Pokes Daskreech with a very sharp object.*
[02:46] <Daskreech>  I'm on a 6 core 3.0 Ghz machine and my brother convinced me to install Flash yesterday. It's currently taking up 40% of my CPU
[02:46]  * Daskreech ignores C# objects
[02:46] <kingh3mp> holy hanna
[02:46] <Daskreech> Yeah I'm quite upset with it. How fast is the CPU?
[02:46] <kingh3mp> idk
[02:47] <LINKSWORD2> I did the initial install on kingh3mp's laptop for Kubuntu.
[02:47] <kingh3mp> i want a quad core dell laptop
[02:47] <LINKSWORD2> It's a single-core 2.3 MHz Centrino.
[02:47]  * LINKSWORD2 agrees with kingh3mp*
[02:48] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not 100% certain about the specifications, but I believe I'm pretty accurate.
[02:49] <kingh3mp> ya know if i had a home id have a massive desk top an wouldent have to ask stupid questions lol
[02:49] <LINKSWORD2> kingh3mp: search in the programs for Kinfocenter
[02:49] <LINKSWORD2> That will be able to show you what the processor configuration is.
[02:49] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: Ah Centrino should be interesting. Intel really played roulette with those.
[02:49] <Daskreech> Perhaps it doesn't have  media extensions?
[02:50] <LINKSWORD2> We'll have to see what KInfoCenter says.
[02:50] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: press alt+F2 and type kinfo
[02:50] <kingh3mp> i got it up
[02:50] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: what's the flash for?
[02:50] <Daskreech> For youtube I just run them through mplayer
[02:51] <Daskreech> uses waaaaaay less CPU than flash though you do have to wait for it to download.
[02:51] <Daskreech> On the upside you can grab like 15 youtube videos at once
[02:52] <kingh3mp> 22% of physical memory used
[02:53] <LINKSWORD2> Wow. That's putting a lot of demand on that HP....
[02:54] <kingh3mp> intell pentium m processor 1.7 ghz max speed 1700
[02:55] <LINKSWORD2> Aha.
[02:55] <LINKSWORD2> Wait, what?! It should be a Centrino or Centrino 2....
[02:55]  * LINKSWORD2 shoot self.*
[02:55] <kingh3mp> application data 42% of memory, disk cache 42% and 11% free space
[02:56] <kingh3mp> just a centrino
[02:57] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: hmm ok I used to run on a 1.2 Ghz T-Bird
[02:57] <Daskreech> Just gotta tune things down a little :)
[02:57] <Daskreech> what was the 22% of Memory for?
[02:58] <kingh3mp> ide bus 93.2 gib storage
[02:58] <kingh3mp> im just reading off everything
[02:58] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm....
[02:58] <LINKSWORD2> !ksnapshot | kingh3mp
[02:58] <LINKSWORD2> .... I want to slap ubottu
[02:59] <kingh3mp> ? may i ask wat u been smokin link ?
[03:00] <kingh3mp> linksword2 i may stop tommarrow after i pick up the stuff i ordered
[03:00] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: He's not allowed to talk about that here :)
[03:01] <kingh3mp> oh lol
[03:01] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: After I slap ubottu, you're next. lol
[03:01] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: I suppose it would be too much to ask you to do a small screencast but could you perhaps take a screenshot of aa video runing?
[03:02] <kingh3mp> idk how to
[03:02] <LINKSWORD2> kingh3mp: in the programs menu, type in ksnapshot
[03:02] <kingh3mp> i got a pop p tat said youtube stopped working it lagged so bad
[03:03] <LINKSWORD2> Or just use PrintScreen to snap a shot and save it.
[03:03] <U236Willy> yeah i can run youtube on a p4 1.4ghz
[03:04] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a 2.66 GHz on this old Compaq desktop.
[03:05] <Daskreech> I'm probably going to bet the centrino doesn't have media extensions
[03:05] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: Did you enable multiverse ?
[03:05] <kingh3mp> no media extensions
[03:05] <LINKSWORD2> .... What?
[03:06] <kingh3mp> * looks around for some explosives*
[03:06] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: How would those extensions be enabled?
[03:06] <LINKSWORD2> kingh3mp: I told you to stop blowing stuff up....
[03:06] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: By Intel. It's when they make the chip
[03:07] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: how did you install flash? through kubuntu-restricted extras ?
[03:07] <kingh3mp> theres an expansion pack 4 this thing
[03:07] <LINKSWORD2> System updates.
[03:07] <Daskreech> explosive expansion? isn't that redundant?
[03:07] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: I didn't install Flash, I don't think.
[03:08] <kingh3mp> but a few of the cords are missing an it weighs as much as a small tv
[03:08] <LINKSWORD2> D'oh!
[03:08] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: Lets attempt something. can you open a konsole?
[03:08] <LINKSWORD2> kingh3mp:  You may not even have Flash installed.
[03:08] <kingh3mp> linksword2 u remember that gevy thing with the hp cord at my place
[03:09] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah. But that's not what Daskreech is talking about.
[03:09] <kingh3mp> ok konsole open
[03:10] <kingh3mp> im gonna end up zaping my cat
[03:10] <LINKSWORD2> lol @ kingh3mp
[03:11] <kingh3mp> it was chasing my mouse
[03:12] <LINKSWORD2> Isn't that what cats are for?
[03:12] <bazhang> !ot
 i got konsole open
[03:12] <Daskreech> !info flashplugin-installer
[03:12] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: ok type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer mplayer
[03:12] <Daskreech> !info youtube-dl
[03:13] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: ok type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer mplayer youtube-dl
[03:13] <LINKSWORD2> bazhang: We're not off topic. Just a light chatter during troubleshooting.
[03:15] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: It will ask you for a password. It's the same password you use to login
[03:17] <kingh3mp> ok got it started
[03:17] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: \o/
[03:17] <kingh3mp> im a slow typer
[03:18] <Daskreech> if you are confused about any thing that is being mentioned then you can ask
[03:18] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: Ah well in Linux if you highlight any text it's automatically copied
[03:18] <Daskreech> So if I say you need to type blah blah snuffleupagus
[03:18] <LINKSWORD2> I'm used to highlighting and hitting Ctrl +C.
[03:18] <kingh3mp> lol
[03:18] <Daskreech> You can just highlight that and then use the middle mouse button to paste it
[03:19] <Daskreech> saves a lot of typing
[03:19] <kingh3mp> ok it finished going in to test this thing
[03:19] <LINKSWORD2> Laptop, Daskreech. No middle mouse button.
[03:19] <LINKSWORD2> Left and right, no middle.
[03:19] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: If you press left and right at the same time it makes it a middle button :)
[03:19] <Daskreech> Tada!
[03:19] <LINKSWORD2> :o
[03:19] <Daskreech> Problem solved
[03:19]  * LINKSWORD2 is awed.*
[03:20] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: ok try youtube first
[03:20] <RatPunk> hola
[03:20] <kingh3mp> k
[03:20] <Daskreech> but you can copy the youtube url from the browser and in the konsole type youtube-dl <youtube url>
[03:20] <Daskreech> Jsut paste the youtube URL in the part that has the < >
[03:21] <Daskreech> hi RatPunk
[03:21] <kingh3mp> slowed to a crawl
[03:21] <RatPunk> i just discovered this channel leh
[03:21] <RatPunk> chief, i got a question for you guys (linux guru)
[03:21] <kingh3mp> stupid hp
[03:22] <RatPunk> i am experiencing my ubuntu become slower and slower
[03:22] <kingh3mp> worse than b4
[03:23] <RatPunk> and i runnning a basic application available....is there any guide such as performance tweak
[03:23] <LINKSWORD2> RatPunk: What's going on, exactly?
[03:24] <RatPunk> My apps launches slow, system hung sometimes, unity bar hung
[03:25] <Daskreech> whoop
[03:25] <Daskreech> sorry guys have to run for a little
[03:25] <kingh3mp> u tube works now
[03:26] <kingh3mp> k
[03:27] <kingh3mp> i g2g too
[03:27] <kingh3mp> see ya link and skreech
[03:27] <LINKSWORD2> RatPunk: Launch KInfoCenter and the system monitor.
[03:29] <RatPunk> ok done...
[03:30] <RatPunk> LINKSWORD2: next?
[03:30] <LINKSWORD2> In the monitoring window, sort the programs by their resource use.
[03:31] <LINKSWORD2> Check what the top 5 are.
[03:31] <RatPunk> LINKSWORD2: i dun have monitoring window
[03:31] <LINKSWORD2> You don't have the System Monitor window?
[03:32] <LINKSWORD2> .... I want Pringles.
[03:33] <RatPunk> LINKSWORD2: from TOP Xorg
[03:33] <LINKSWORD2> I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that.
[03:33] <LINKSWORD2> You're apparently using a configuration beyond my experience.
[03:34] <RatPunk> LINKSWORD2: ermm
[03:34] <RatPunk> LINKSWORD2: more to command line stuff
[03:34] <LINKSWORD2> Oh!
[03:36] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure how to help.
[03:36] <LINKSWORD2> I'm just trying a couple basic ideas. :/
[03:37] <RatPunk> oh ok
[03:38] <LINKSWORD2> I try to look for programs that are dragging down on system resources.
[03:38] <LINKSWORD2> I'm usually able to tell what's system-required, and what's just a nuissance.
[03:38] <LINKSWORD2> So I kill the ones that aren't necessary.
[03:42] <LINKSWORD2> If you'll excuse me, I'm signing off.
[04:07] <U236Willy> ... I sure have to get a whole bunch of -dev files just to compile minitube.  Anyone else find that it the 32-bit 1.3.? version in repositories doesn't work?
[04:09] <U236Willy> I have an 64bit quadcore (if that wasn't clear) and i can't get it work yet in linux mint or kubuntu... i'll try compiling.
[04:30] <U236Willy> hohoho minitube 1.5 does compile... now to make checkinstall
[04:34] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: had you tried to use the binary from getdeb?
[04:34] <U236Willy> no i didn't know there was one there... didn't think to look
[04:35] <U236Willy> and checkinstall says there's nothing to make but if i run the script in the build dir... it fires right up... I was kinda hoping to get a cute icon in the 'Multimedia' list...
[04:36] <U236Willy> so 1.5 works
[04:36] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: ok, i am using the one from getdeb, and it works just fine, although if you went through the trouble of compiling it, and it works, you might as well use your binary :-)
[04:36] <U236Willy> kinda strange to have to terminal to get it.
[04:36] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: had you tried a binary from somewhere else?
[04:37] <U236Willy> i tried the minitube from kpackage.... and it would load... show me the thumbnails of videos but never play them... just sat there.
[04:38] <jmichaelx> ahh, what version of minitube was in the repositories?
[04:38] <U236Willy> 1.3... something
[04:39] <jmichaelx> i know that i had a lot of problems with some of the earlier versions.... i think 1.5 is finally sort of usable for me
[04:39] <jmichaelx> also on 64-bit, btw
[04:40] <U236Willy> gotcha
[04:41] <U236Willy> i laughed when d/ling all the -dev(s) it was something like 100+mb d/l of which the qt-docs was like 92mb (that was a good chuckle)
[04:41] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:41] <U236Willy> welp i'm happy it works..
[04:42] <jmichaelx> good deal
[04:42] <jmichaelx> maybe you can manually add an entry to the menu?
[04:43] <U236Willy> did the getdeb vers. go into your App list for 'Multimedia'? because if so... I might scrap this since it makes itself in that directory without plugging in..
[04:44] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: yes, i have an entry for minitube, under multimedia
[04:44] <U236Willy> hmmm
[04:44] <U236Willy> i'll try it keep the one compiled in my home/src and see.
[04:50] <DarkriftX> anyone know when *buntu is going to get the 3.x kernel?
[04:51] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: it will be there in oneiric
[04:51] <DarkriftX> k, thx
[04:51] <jmichaelx> DarkriftX: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/237931/ubuntu_1110_oneiric_ocelot_gains_linux_30_and_thunderbird.html
[04:57] <U236Willy> nice one jmichaelx -- nice and neat and in the app list.
[04:57] <U236Willy> thanks for the tip
[04:58] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: more than welcome
[05:54] <joe_> hello
[06:06] <tar-gz> Hi! I have this little problem: I have bluetooth in my netbook, but don't know how i can turn on this.
[06:08] <tar-gz> O, i have- thanks
[06:38] <tdn> In Konsole, the remote tab title is set to: "%h : %u", however, the title becomes " : " when I ssh to a remote host.
[06:38] <tdn> How do I make %h show the hostname? And %u the user name?
[06:40] <Tm_T> tdn: is that set to "remote tab" place?
[07:23] <Clover> Hello there
[07:36] <Clover> Hello all
[07:39] <Clover> I am having a bit of trouble getting the Natty Kubuntu Live CD to run
[07:41] <Clover> I get a very odd graphical error/crash after the splash screen
[07:42] <Clover> I'll get an image
[07:46] <ryrych> hi
[07:46] <Clover> It crashes to a weird purple and green mess
[07:46] <Clover> Hello ryrych
[07:46] <ryrych> why does comic strip in GHNS show only one comic?
[07:47] <ryrych> do I need some package?
[07:47] <Clover> I wouldn't know I'm tying to try out kubuntu for the first time
[07:47] <Clover> This is what I get after the splash screen http://www.imgjoe.com/x/img0153igi.jpg
[07:50] <dossantos> Moin
[07:52] <Clover> Does kubuntu have a safe mode option?
[07:58] <sri13> I am getting an error like this http://paste.kde.org/109615/
[07:58] <sri13> while I am running sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:59] <sara> 안녕하세요!
[08:01] <Unit193> 안녕하세요, 당신은 한국 채널을 가입한다
[08:01] <Unit193> !ko
[08:07] <Unit193> sri13: Does running   sudo apt-get -f install   and    sudo dpkg --configure -a   ? What did you try to install?
[08:08] <Unit193> Running those in Konsole that is
[08:10] <sri13> Unit193: both are giving the error as I said above
[08:14] <Unit193> sri13: This is what I found on it http://www.khattam.info/solved-subprocess-pre-removal-script-returned-error-exit-status-2-error-2009-08-04.html  but I'm not sure how safe that would be so use it at your own risk!! (You could also stick around for another bloke to show up)
[08:37] <avihay> mmm, anyone know of a good package or article about how to box WINE in a different user in order to run software suspect of containing maleware safely?
[08:42] <Tm_T> avihay: no idea, but I would assume virtual machines would be the way
[08:44] <avihay> ya..., but virtual machine means running another copy of an OS, and that's kinda redundant, or so I think.
[09:03] <James147> avihay: wine dosent play well with virsus.. :) so its generally safe though not recomended... the best way to run malware safly is to do it inside a vm
[09:04]  * James147 remembers http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/42031  :)
[09:05] <James147> ^^ and by safe i mean not very :)
[09:07] <masterdesa> mahlzeit zusammen:-)
[09:07] <avihay> ya, I've read that, but, wine has gone a long way since then, still, as a different user, you can't (or souldn't be able to) effect the system or other users files
[09:12] <James147> avihay: even better would be to use a chroot envroment
[09:13] <avihay> happen to know of a step by step guyd so a lazy bum (me) could do it without heaving to learn it properly?
[09:14] <James147> ^^ there are plenty of guides out there for setting up a chroot envroment... its not that difficult
[09:24] <tdn> Tm_T, what do you mean?
[09:24] <tdn> Tm_T, you mean if ssh is remote? It is.
[09:24] <tdn> At least when pressint ctrl+alt+S, it highlights the remote field and not the local if I am connected via ssh.
[09:32] <nase> Could not update ICEauthority file /home/nase/.ICEauthority
[09:32] <nase> how to fix it
[09:32] <nase> ?
[09:33] <nase> it's showin on my ubuntu 10.10 desktop after rebooting the system
[09:42] <Tm_T> nase: did you run some app with sudo
[09:44]  * nase is away: Gone away for now
[09:47] <Tm_T> !away > nase
[10:14]  * nase is back.
[10:21] <Tm_T> nase: did you get my question?
[10:57] <Tm_T> nase: did you run some desktop app with sudo at some point before?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:11] <soee> hi
[12:17] <kruckss> hello un docky for kde :D ?
[12:17] <bazhang> !find docky
[12:28] <szal> lol
[12:50] <holocaust84> Hi peeps, recently switched from ubuntu to kubuntu, love KDE so far, having some trouble getting used to the new programs though, on ubuntu I was using deja for backups, on KDE it's Nepomuk and I'm pretty much clueless with this app! Ideally I'd like to set up a RAID1 (I have 2 1TB HDD's, linux on one, other is blank, formatted ext4)
[12:52] <magician_> hi
[12:53] <holocaust84> Greetings IRC traveler
[12:53] <James147> holocaust84: nepomuk is not a backup tool ^^
[12:54] <James147> and RAID1 is not a backup solution
[12:54] <James147> holocaust84: luckybackup is a nice kde frontend to rsync and useful for creating backups
[12:55] <magician_> chiko chiko
[12:55] <holocaust84> Nepomuk is indeed a backup tool, I'm staring at it right now, and it's asking me various questions about backing up my drives lol... I was told RAID0 turns both HDD's into one big one, and RAID1 mirrors one to the other so if one fails, you can retreive from the other?
[12:56] <James147> holocaust84: its not a backup tool is a meta data/indexer ... it has a tool that can back up ITS database but nothing else
[12:56] <holocaust84> James147: Ahh I see :) Well thanks for the suggestion I'll have a look at the program luckybackup
[12:56] <James147> holocaust84: yes, raid1 will mirror the disks... but dont rely on it as a backup tool as it wont protect you form the most common error... the user :)
[12:58] <holocaust84> James147: This is very true... I just had to reinstall Kubuntu 11.04 this morning because of some changes I made last night, Windows were opening locked into one place, would not quit, close, minimize, and rekonq was opening from boot on fullscreen and again would not close. I have no idea how I made those things happen, so I am dangerous as you say
[12:59] <holocaust84> James147: ergo I want to make sure I have secure backups in place before I start altering the "out of the box" feel to kubuntu
[13:00] <James147> holocaust84: quite a few probles can be solved by resetting the users configes rather then reinstalling... its normally worth trying before doing a complete reinstall (creating a enw user the the quiest way to test if it is the user configs)
[13:01] <James147> holocaust84: also, if you want RAID1 then you should set that up before installing kubuntu
[13:01] <holocaust84> James147: Everything was locked down, couldn't log out (tried hot key combo's etc)
[13:01] <James147> holocaust84: even alt+crtl+F1?
[13:02] <holocaust84> James147: Pretty sure I tried that, it was late though so I just gave up, and as I'd only installed yesterday it was no problem to wipe the slate clean, but now I want to make sure I've got a secure backup before making alterations.
[13:03]  * James147 wonders about doing "cd / && git init &&..."   :)
[13:04] <holocaust84> James147: The program you recommended, is it available in kpackagekit? :)
[13:04] <James147> should by
[13:04] <James147> be
[13:04] <holocaust84> Cheers
[13:16] <holocaust84> James147: Yes this is exactly the kind of program I was looking for, thanks :) ... However I think I was hasty with installing as the default partitions from the installer are not as I would like >.<
[13:17] <James147> holocaust84: if you know how you want the partitions why let the installer do them automatically?
[13:20] <holocaust84> James147: Early morning pre-coffee mentality I guess, we live and learn lol.  The installation I did yesterday I selected the option on the right (forgot the name, but it's guided and allows for easy resizing of partitions), this morning I chose the option on the left and told it to use the whole drive.  Ideally I want 20gb for / and I'll put the /home partition on my second HDD, and with 16gb SDDR3, do I even need
[13:20] <holocaust84> to make a /swap ?
[13:21] <James147> holocaust84: not unless you want to hybernate
[13:21] <James147> or regularly use 16gigs of ram :p
[13:22] <holocaust84> James147: Okay thanks, I don't ever use hibernate, and I can't recall ever going over about 45% of physical memory lol (I just had a lot of spare memory) :p
[13:23] <James147> holocaust84: more memory is always good... lets you ahve more disk cache :) and allows you to use more space for  ramdisks :D which are always fun
[13:25] <holocaust84> James147: Thanks for the info buddy, I would attempt to move the /home partition etc but as it's a clean install it's probably going to be easier to just reinstall with correct partitions, so I shall head off and do just that ^_^
[13:26] <James147> ^^ if you want raid then I would look into setting that up as well before you reinstall
[13:28] <holocaust84> I was told I could do it post-installation, "fakeraid" ?
[13:29] <James147> holocaust84: not with fakeraid... but dont use fakeraid it has terrible linux support
[13:30] <onebitX> hi to all
[13:30] <James147> (notes that fakeraid is set in the bios and handles the disks on the cpu untill the os can take over)
[13:30] <James147> holocaust84: software raid can be set up before or after installation... though if you want the os inside the raid then its easier to do it before
[13:32] <onebitX> i installed kvpn i import all files
[13:32] <holocaust84> James147: thanks once again, will have a read, I may just leave the RAID out of the game altogether and just put /home on sdb withthe actual system on sda
[13:32] <onebitX> but when i press connect he don't connect
[13:32] <James147> holocaust84: software raid isnt hard to setup... and there are plently of guides to show you how :)
[13:33] <James147> most show you as part of the installtion process as that generally when you set it up :)
[13:34] <onebitX> hi to all
[13:34] <onebitX> i installed kvpn i import all files
[13:34] <onebitX> but when i press connect he don't connect
[13:34] <onebitX> WARNING: No server certificate verification method has been enabled. See http://openvpn.net/howto.html#mitm for more info.
[13:36] <onebitX>  can someone help me?
[13:43] <onebitX> Hash algorithm "[null-digest]" not found. Please choose another one
[13:43] <onebitX> what this mean'
[13:43] <onebitX> ?
[13:44] <onebitX> in the  ovpn file there is cipher BF-CBC
[13:46] <James147> onebitX: if kvpn still used? cant the network manager widget handle vpn now?
[13:47] <onebitX> James147: no .8
[13:47] <onebitX> :(
[13:47] <onebitX> it conitnue to give me this error
[13:52] <BluesKaj> onebitX, if you use tor with vpn , then you must expect problems
[13:54] <soee> hmm, can i turn on breadrcrumb menu in dolphin ?
[13:54] <James147> soee: you can make it load the editable bar by default by editing its settings
[13:55] <James147> wait i miss read that :) bread crumb menu?
[13:55] <soee> James147, got it just had to check show full path :D on right click
[13:56]  * James147 notes thats the location bar not the menu bar ^^
[13:56] <James147> :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> bread crumb menu ?
[13:57] <steveire> Is it possible for me to install a particular version of a package from the command line?
[13:57] <soee> BluesKaj, breadcrumb is like => home / soee / documents
[13:57] <James147> steveire: if you ahve the .deb for that version
[13:58] <steveire> The problem is the packages are completely messed up http://paste.kde.org/109711/
[13:58] <steveire> The dependency resolver is trying to install new versions of the libraries but not the applications
[13:58] <steveire> I need to force it somehow, and apt-get -f instll doesn't do so
[13:58] <BluesKaj> like?  it is or it isn't soee ...I just add dolphin to the panel
[13:59] <James147> steveire: you run an update?
[13:59] <James147> steveire: -f means fix broken not force
[14:00] <soee> BluesKaj, http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/17/breadcrumbs-in-web-design-examples-and-best-practices-2/ :D
[14:05] <BluesKaj> soee, ok , I think i get it , but history works for me :)
[14:06] <James147> BluesKaj: its not history, but where you are currently located
[14:06] <James147> BluesKaj: makes it easier to move up one or more directories
[14:07] <soee> it basicly create path from root direcotrey to where you are
[14:11] <BluesKaj> soee, interesting but why , i see root in dolphin places , one click away ...obviously I'm missing the point :)
[14:11] <onebitX> BluesKaj: i am not using tor with vpn :(
[14:11] <onebitX> this is the first connection
[14:11] <James147> BluesKaj: because it can take you anywhere between the root and where you are
[14:12] <soee> BluesKaj, if you are here: home/me/dir1/dir2/dir3/dir4/ and you want to switch to dir2
[14:12] <soee> you can click link in breadcrumb an thats all
[14:13] <BluesKaj> so where's the breadcrumb in dolphin ?
[14:13] <James147> BluesKaj: its the location bar when its nor in editable mode
[14:15] <soee> BluesKaj, http://soee.pl/kde/screen/breadcrumb.png
[14:15] <soee> under tabs if you turn it on
[14:16] <szal> moin BluesKaj
[14:17] <James147> soee: you mean if you dont turn it off :)
[14:18] <James147> (though by default its turncated to popular places like $HOME
[14:18] <soee> James147, hm not sure i had to turn it on, before i have had dropdown menu
[14:18] <eeanm> is it possible to give access to a specific windows domain user to a samba share?
[14:19]  * BluesKaj shakes his thick head ...still don't see the point
[14:19] <James147> soee: if you click it it becomes editable, but hit esc or click the tick at the end and it turns back
[14:19] <soee> James147, yeah i know
[14:19] <eeanm> just looking at the 'Share' tab of file properities atm, not sure if this is the best way
[14:19] <James147> BluesKaj: how else can you go up one directory?
[14:19] <James147> (or two or three)?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> the go option
[14:21] <faLUCE>  Hi, I tried in all ways to make a bootable clonezilla on a usb stick. I used tuxboot, as well as unetbootin, but the result is that clonezilla hangs after choosing the first option, soon after boot.Is there a working alternative?
[14:22] <szal> BluesKaj: are you still on Oneiric?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> szal, yes
[14:22] <szal> BluesKaj: what UI font do you use?
[14:22] <James147> BluesKaj: do "go > up | go > up" rather then "parentdir"
[14:23] <BluesKaj> szal, I use fresans
[14:23] <BluesKaj> err freesans
[14:23] <szal> BluesKaj: *urgh* ;)
[14:24] <szal> BluesKaj: I was wondering, if you use the Ubuntu font, is the correct weight used?  they introduced a 'Medium' weight for Oneiric, and at least on Natty KDE uses that rather than 'Regular'
[14:25] <szal> when set to Regular, that is
[14:25] <BluesKaj> szal, i like it better than ubuntu default , .. I'm using a large screen monitor (my 42" plasma tv) so the fonts ahave to look good from 3M away
[14:26] <soee> droid = best font ever :)
[14:26] <BluesKaj> the ubuntu regular font looks like old default fonts from kde 3 , szal
[14:27] <BluesKaj> thicck heavy and ugly IMO
[14:28] <szal> BluesKaj: it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing font, but it's very well readable imho
[14:28] <BluesKaj> szal, if you run an app as root from the run command or the terminal the default font is still ubuntu regular unless you change it
[14:29] <szal> anyhoo, my question was, does KDE there use the Medium weight, which is almost as heavy as Bold, or the Regular weight?
[14:29] <alvin> Yes, all typesetters in my office are unanymous: it's ugly and not well fit for a screen. I have to set the defaults back for everyone. Unfortunately, some things make the font go back to the Ubuntu font. Don't know why yet.
[14:30] <suomipoika> this my first day with kubuntu :D its starting to lad lolz dunno
[14:31] <suomipoika> lag*
[14:31] <soee> suomipoika, lag ?
[14:31] <onebitX> no one can help me?
[14:32] <suomipoika> soee yes just started to slow and for example mouse pointer lags
[14:33] <suomipoika> but internet works very fast compared to windows
[14:33] <suomipoika> and cant double screen fuu :D
[14:34] <BluesKaj> alvin, when you run apps that require root permissions , the default is ubuntu
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ubuntu font that is
[14:35] <BluesKaj> it can be changed on some apps , if the option is available
[14:36] <alvin> I've noticed that, but sometimes the other applications start using the Ubuntu font after I ran a program as root. I'll file a bug about it someday.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> muon is fugly if you run it as root before using it , like an alias linked to sudoers
[14:38] <BluesKaj> but if it's run from the menu , it uses the system settings fonts
[14:48] <BluesKaj> I'm using simple plastik "workspace appearance / window decor" , due to crash and freeze probs with some of the other more attractive decors on oneiric
[15:01] <BluesKaj> the diff between root and user display/fonts http://imagebin.org/167942
[15:24] <Guest26556> :)
[16:08] <techmik> can anyone point me to the proper channel, which i dont think this is? i need some config help with setting up multihead/multiseat using mint and kdm....
[16:11] <techmik> afaict, its purely an issue of proper kdmrc and xorg.conf.d/
[16:15] <el_monkeyman> Hi everyone, this question is addressed to anyone devellopping Kubuntu. I'm still at KDE4.4 and I wanted to update to KDE4.7, how stable would the Kubuntu Oneiric be at Beta? Usually, I don't usually expect stability from beta but in this case, Kubuntu is based off of KDE 4.7.0 which is already done with all it's testing and the final release has been already since the end of July. Besides the desktop environment, I pretty much
[16:15] <el_monkeyman>  install my own packages, so I would not expect to run into any problems installing Oneiric Beta as my daily driver. Is there any other consideration that I should be aware of??
[16:24] <James147> el_monkeyman: why not upgrade to natty and install the backport ppas? if all you want is 4.7
[16:24] <MasBlaMan99> hi
[16:24] <MasBlaMan99> smal question any krusader users here?
[16:25] <James147> !anyone | MasBlaMan99
[16:25] <MasBlaMan99> any way to find duplicate files?
[16:26] <MasBlaMan99> not a directory compare but to search the entire disk
[16:29] <el_monkeyman> james147: that is a good idea and I would do that if I see that the Beta is not an option but I would rather start with a clean install of 4.7.0 instead of have to start with 4.6.x and update over it. Also, if I use Oneiric as my release, I could upgrade later on to 4.8
[16:31] <James147> el_monkeyman: upgradeing natty would be the more stable solution ^^ plus you can always do a "clean" install once oneiric comes out... but if you want to try the beta then go a head but i suggest you try dual booting it first so you at least have a fallback option :)
[16:31] <el_monkeyman> you
[16:32] <el_monkeyman> James147: you are probably right about this. thanks for your advice!
[16:33] <James147> el_monkeyman: also consider joining #ubuntu+1  if you are intrested in running the beta
[16:33] <Daskreech> el_monkeyman: The beta relies on a lot more things than just KDE
[16:34] <el_monkeyman> Ah, I see. Like drivers and libraries and stuff like that?
[16:45] <el_monkeyman> Thanks for your help everyone!!
[16:45] <el_monkeyman> Bye!!
[17:00] <alvin> MasBlaMan99: try fdupes
[17:46] <naftilos76> hi everyone, have you guys tried KCM set to raster? I just saw something on youtube regarding a Graphics performance rise. Is that real? I am on KDE 4.7 and graphics card is Geforce 8600GS mobile
[18:11] <tdn> In Konsole, the remote tab title is set to: "%h : %u", however, the title becomes " : " when I ssh to a remote host. How do I make %h show the hostname? And %u the user name?
[18:19] <DarkriftX> does anyone know of a (cli preferred) pop client that will basically just duplicate the contents of an email account on my machine without creating alerts or needing interaction? I have an email account I need to basically backup locally but dont really need to view it that often.
[18:19] <akSeya> hi fiolks, does apt use ipv6 by default?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> akSeya, I don't think so , my router has ipv6 disabled , unless there's some kind of nat process going on that's hidden
[18:27] <akSeya> i have ipv6, and I want it to use it.. i mean, does it tries ipv6 first?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> !ipv6 | akSeya
[18:37] <jimmy51_> i'm looking for a utility i can point at an IP range and have it map the network as best as possible.
[18:38] <jimmy51_> is there such a utility?  i see forum posts referencing something called Dude but it looks old
[18:38] <jimmy51_> and isn't in the repo
[18:45] <tsimpson> jimmy51_: there is nmap (and zenmap for a GUI)
[18:46] <_BS_> Samba - will it make use (solely) of /etc/passwd? e.g. If I add a user to the samba group, are they good to go?
[18:47] <Cammy> Can anyone please tell me how I can empty the trash? The trashcan icon disappeared long ago from Dolphin (without me ever touching it or selecting an option to turn it off) and my hard drive is nearly full
[18:50] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: thanks.  i'm trying zenmap/nmap an maybe nagios.
[18:50] <tsimpson> Cammy: re-add the icon to the places panel by right-clicking, choosing "Add Entry", and use the Location "trash:/"
[18:51] <tsimpson> Cammy: you can also just navigate to trash:/ and right-click anywhere blank
[18:52] <Cammy> Ahh, "trash:/", thanks! I hoped I could just re-add it, but wasn't sure of the assign
[18:52] <Cammy> Or whatever it's called in Linux
[18:52] <Cammy> Thank you tsimpson :)
[18:52] <tsimpson> technically, it's a URL :)
[18:53] <Cammy> Ah, okay cool :)
[18:53] <tsimpson> the actual files are in ~/.local/share/Trash/, if you ever just want to nuke-it
[18:53] <Cammy> Awesome, you've been very helpful :)
[18:54] <SIR_Taco> but be careful... the files near there might end up with radiation sickness :P
[18:54] <Cammy> Haha
[18:54] <jimmy51_> tsimpson: ok, zenmap did it.  THANKS
[18:55] <lcb> wow :o radioactive waste in Kubuntu. that's awesome
[18:56] <SIR_Taco> they're easy to find... they have a nice green glow
[18:57] <lcb> .hidden waste. i'm always learning
[18:57] <lcb> thanks SIR_Taco. i don't know what i would be without it
[18:57] <lcb> i mean, you
[18:57] <lcb> :p
[18:57] <SIR_Taco> haha
[18:57] <lcb> :)
[18:59] <SIR_Taco> ok... back to website... haha
[18:59] <lcb> i'm playing with Gadmin-Rsync
[19:00] <lcb> looks to be one of/or the best backup tool
[19:03] <SIR_Taco> I've been kicking around the idea of using rsync to backup my sites instead of using a script... just haven't gotten around to it
[19:07] <Daskreech> Cammy: trash:/
[19:07] <Daskreech> SIR_Taco: They have a Blue glow
[19:07] <Daskreech> ;-)
[19:08] <SIR_Taco> Daskreech: well, they glow none-the-less :)
[19:08] <Daskreech> SIR_Taco: Esp if currently selected!
[19:18] <programming> This may be a stupid question, but I lost the window list on my panel in KDE. I can't find it in the widgets. I can find a window list, but I'm looking for the taskbar style one with the buttons.
[19:19] <tsimpson> it's called "Task Manager"
[19:19] <SIR_Taco> programming: 'taskmanager' is what you're looking for
[19:19] <programming> tsimpson, SIR_Taco: thank you
[19:20] <SIR_Taco> tsimpson: too quick for me... I'll go back to sleep haha
[19:20] <tsimpson> I must admit, it can be easy to miss the widgets the way they are currently displayed
[19:20] <programming> there are too many in the default view
[19:20] <programming> i think a rating system could help
[19:21] <tsimpson> I prefer the older "window with a list of widgets" way
[19:21] <SIR_Taco> that's very true... I guess that's why they added the catagories
[19:22] <programming> Now that gnome2 is condemned, KDE4 seems like the only good choice.
[19:23] <programming> I tried every major desktop, and I've used all the little ones too, like openbox, awesome, etc, icewm even, ratpoison
[19:23] <programming> xfce, lxde
[19:23] <programming> kde is the only one that meets my expectations for usability
[19:24] <tsimpson> considering you're in #kubuntu, you'll get no argument here :)
[19:24] <DarkriftX> lol
[19:24] <programming> not looking for argument, i am certain i am right ;D
[19:25] <programming> i heard win7 copied features, like the drag window to top to maximize etc
[19:25] <programming> drag to side to place on side
[19:25] <DarkriftX> they all copy from eachother
[19:25] <programming> such obvious awesome features
[19:25] <DarkriftX> im sure lots of stuff from kde is from windows and mac
[19:25] <DarkriftX> and vice versa
[19:25] <programming> why didn't we think of them in 1995
[19:25] <DarkriftX> what matters is what features you want being in the DE that you want
[19:26] <tsimpson> well sometimes Windows copies features from the open-source world, and sometimes the open-source world copies ideas from the Windows world
[19:26] <DarkriftX> I hate windows, but I like some features from windows (such as the taskbar layout)
[19:28] <SIR_Taco> as much as I prefer using Linux, I must admit that I do like Win7... they took a step-back and realized a lot of their mistakes and fixed most of them (kind of like ME-XP)
[19:28] <SIR_Taco> it's ok... ban me from the channel lol
[19:29] <tsimpson> SIR_Taco: if you really want me to ;)
[19:29] <SIR_Taco> well no, not really haha
[19:30] <kingh3mp> hello
[19:30] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco!  With Linux! :D
[19:32] <kingh3mp> im gonna run another test now i got a media player
[19:35] <LINKSWORD2> I'm back? Didn't know I left.
[19:35] <kingh3mp> any one got some c7 i can use on my hp
[19:36] <LINKSWORD2> kingh3mp: I told you not to do that.
[19:36] <kingh3mp> brb
[19:39] <Daskreech> programming: incorrect. Windows showed those features first. But they turned up two weeks later in all the Linux WM who cared less about efficiency
[19:40] <lcb> SIR_Taco: aboit *backing up* we talked about last year (sorry, i was away in business). i spent some time today comparing features and my final bet for a frontend, for rsync, with useful features is backuppc and gadmin-rsync (this one easyer) Both in our repos.
[19:40] <lcb> aboit/out
[19:40] <programming> Daskreech: oh
[19:40] <programming> Daskreech: i love this feature
[19:41] <lcb> hi LINKSWORD2. how's TTY and you?
[19:42] <LINKSWORD2> .... TTY? I'm not sure I understand you, lcb
[19:43] <LINKSWORD2> We're having some problems with kingh3mp's laptop.
[19:43] <LINKSWORD2> It is acting bizarrely slow, with flash-based games online, to the degree that they simply do not come up.
[19:43] <Daskreech> programming: It's great eh? The Linux implementation is quite a bit better than Windows though
[19:43] <LINKSWORD2> Of course, Daskreech.
[19:44] <Daskreech> There are anumber of Windows implementations that are better than Linux
[19:44] <programming> If only x-tile understood multiple monitors
[19:44] <programming> I would be really happy
[19:44] <Daskreech> thumbnails on the taskbar hover for instance
[19:44] <SIR_Taco> lcb: thanks, good to know, I'll check them out. greatly appreciated
[19:44] <programming> I could implement it, but I don't have the time atm
[19:47] <kingh3mp> dang thing wont operate on a 1 bar signal
[19:47] <SIR_Taco> ok LINKSWORD2 what's the issue?
[19:48] <SIR_Taco> sorry, missed it initially haha.... any idea on the video card? network connection? Kubuntu version? Browser?  You scared him off.
[19:54] <lcb> too technical, probably "IRC is working" :p
[19:54] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[19:55] <LINKSWORD2> Well, we want to get his laptop properly working.
[19:55] <LINKSWORD2> I'm sure the problem is based in Flash, but I'm not sure exactly what it could be.
[19:55] <SIR_Taco> well sorry LINKSWORD2... but something like "I need help with printer... stupid thing doesn't work" what printer? "it's stupid" ok, but what printer and what version are you running? "stupid version of stupid printer" just doesn't give enough info to help lol
[19:56] <lcb> maybe got too hot on his lap - top :)
[19:56] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: It's an HP Pavilion DV1000 that we've recently killed Windows from and installed Kubuntu.
[19:57] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: that's what we needed to know
[19:57] <LINKSWORD2> We've tried to load his games, Flash-based, on a number of browsers, and they're not loading.
[19:57] <lcb> usually because ppl install everything that says "java"
[19:58] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: any idea if he's using the Intel drivers?
[19:58] <lcb> the default one works fine - or the original one, sun's java
[19:59] <SIR_Taco> and from the specs, there is no integrated wireless... is he just having connection problem?
[19:59] <LINKSWORD2> His does have integrated wireless.
[20:00] <lcb> SIR_Taco: trying to have an excuse from him "disconnecting" from IRC?
[20:00] <lcb> hehehe
[20:00] <SIR_Taco> lcb: maybe..... lol
[20:00] <LINKSWORD2> I know the guy. lol
[20:00] <LINKSWORD2> He said he was fed up with things not properly working, and disconnected.
[20:00] <lcb> just a dad hair day
[20:00] <lcb> bad
[20:00] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: has he updated his software?
[20:01] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: To which software do you refer?
[20:01] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: I mean everything (like sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or the GUI equivalent)
[20:02] <LINKSWORD2> .... Oops.
[20:02] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: what happens when his "flash game doesn't work"? Does it say "you need a plugin"? Does it stall or crash?
[20:03] <LINKSWORD2> Just a moment. I'll have to ask.
[20:03] <SIR_Taco> Is he using Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Konq, etc.?
[20:04] <LINKSWORD2> We've tried Rekong, Konqueror and Chrome.
[20:05] <SIR_Taco> I'd like to solve the guy's problem, but guessing is just pointless
[20:05] <LINKSWORD2> Any ideas in particular, SIR_Taco?
[20:06] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: ok, but is there an error? is the spot where the flash game should go blank? does the page not load? does the browser crash/freeze?
[20:07] <kingh3mp> hi
[20:07] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: does he have "flashplugin-installer" installed?
[20:08] <LINKSWORD2> I'm guessing not. How would we get that?
[20:08] <SIR_Taco> you can use the package manager, or open konsole (ALT-F2 and type 'konsole') and type "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"
[20:09] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: Didn't I install flash last night for him?
[20:10] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: Not sure.
[20:10] <alejandro> ola
[20:10] <Daskreech> [Sunday, August 14, 2011] [23:13:03] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: ok type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer mplayer youtube-dl
[20:10] <Daskreech> alejandro: Hello
[20:10] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: I think you had him install MPlayer.
[20:10] <alejandro> hello
[20:10] <LINKSWORD2> Yep. lol
[20:11] <alejandro> que pedo que es esto
[20:11] <Daskreech> !es
[20:11] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: You're too fast for me. lol
[20:11] <SIR_Taco> kingh3mp: I really can't help you until you give some sort of feedback on what's going on
[20:11] <Daskreech> alejandro: y #kubuntu-es
[20:11] <kingh3mp> im testing things
[20:12] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: kingh3mp and I are sitting side-by-side in my "office" with his computer and mine.
[20:13] <LINKSWORD2> His computer just stops loading flash-based pages.
[20:13] <BluesKaj> install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:14] <BluesKaj> !restricted
[20:14] <LINKSWORD2> I'd forgotten about that, BluesKaj
[20:15] <LINKSWORD2> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ???
[20:15] <lcb> ubuntu-rest*
[20:15] <LINKSWORD2> .... Excuse me?
[20:16] <yoyo> yes LINKSWORD2
[20:16] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, yes
[20:17] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks, yoyo & BluesKaj
[20:17] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, np
[20:17] <lcb> how nice, i have ubuntu-restricted-extras. i don't remember to install it
[20:18] <lcb> now, installed kubuntu-rest* and didn't remove the other one
[20:18] <LINKSWORD2> lol @ lcb
[20:18] <SIR_Taco> lcb: often you are asked with the latest upon install, or when you run into a wall like this, to install restricted extras
[20:19] <lcb> SIR_Taco: strange didn't remove the previous though
[20:19] <Daskreech> lcb: They have some cross packages but should not interfere with each other
[20:19] <SIR_Taco> yea, I can't see there being a problem.... they aren't DE dependant usually
[20:20] <lcb> hope not, or i'll kill RE (restricted-extras) like kingh3mp did with his HP
[20:20] <kingh3mp> oooooooh...... green things
[20:20] <SIR_Taco> lcb: haha
[20:20] <LINKSWORD2> After installing the restricted extras, is it recommended to restart the computer?
[20:20] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: blotchy squares?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> lcb, they both use the same libs/codecs etc anway
[20:20] <kingh3mp> letters
[20:20] <lcb> kingh3mp: that's nuclear waste, those green thingys
[20:20] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: logout and back in is the highest requirement
[20:20] <kingh3mp> saying its working
[20:21] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, shouldn't need to
[20:21] <LINKSWORD2> Konsole is customized as black with green text. That's what he's talking about.
[20:21] <lcb> BluesKaj: tks :)
[20:21] <SIR_Taco> kingh3mp: excellent, patience is a virtue
[20:21] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: Though you don't need to do that for restricted-extras. Possibly close the browser and reopen
[20:21] <lcb> lol LINKSWORD2
[20:21] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: I rocked that so hard for a long time after Matrix :)
[20:22] <SIR_Taco> Daskreech: haha
[20:22] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: NICE!!!
[20:22] <kingh3mp> im waiting to see 666
[20:22] <lcb> the devil?
[20:22] <LINKSWORD2> kingh3mp: lol
[20:22] <kingh3mp> i seen 5 8s in a row
[20:23] <lcb> i don't play anymore. i'm not goot at math
[20:24] <kingh3mp> lol
[20:24] <lcb> good even + writing :)
[20:24] <SIR_Taco>
[20:24] <kingh3mp> the devil lives in my hp
[20:24] <LINKSWORD2> Green & black? :P
[20:24] <SIR_Taco> seems like a good place to hide
[20:24] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: I want a taco!
[20:25] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: go get one
[20:25] <LINKSWORD2> ....  That SIR_Taco wireless issue
[20:35] <SIR_Taco> lcb: yes... it seems I can disconnect wireless with thoughts and words haha
[20:36] <lcb> :)
[20:38] <SIR_Taco> lcb's connection will go down in... 3.... 2... 1....
[20:38] <SIR_Taco> hmm... doesn't work for everyone I guess haha
[20:39] <SIR_Taco> so much for my dreams of becoming a super-weapon on our Canadian war canoes lol
[20:40] <lcb> i decided to stop Nepomuk. no fun to see the fun working 24/7
[20:40] <lcb> not useful anyway (for me)
[20:42] <SIR_Taco> lcb: after the inital indexing, it doesn't do a whole lot unless a files is changed.
[20:42] <lcb> SIR_Taco: now i saw your /msg. you are taking lessons from Linkmaster TTYs engineering
[20:43] <SIR_Taco> haha
[20:43] <lcb> SIR_Taco: check your memory loading and see how much Nepomuk eats
[20:44] <SIR_Taco> lcb: but you can change the amount it eats
[20:44] <lcb> SIR_Taco: i just cut it's food, for good
[20:44] <SIR_Taco> if I add them all up, it's about 20megs
[20:44] <lcb> its
[20:45] <SIR_Taco> well maybe closer to 30 with akondai in there
[20:45] <lcb> talking about that, i love that small tool "Everything" for windows. does the job and do not eat a lot of resources
[20:46] <SIR_Taco> never heard of it, but it probably pulls from the NTFS index
[20:47] <lcb> and it's FREE. get one until lasts. great to have on win virtual machines
[20:47] <lcb> SIR_Taco: http://www.voidtools.com/
[20:48] <lcb> too bad i have one win 7 VM just because there are no good enough apps for scanners in linux
[20:51] <SIR_Taco> hmm... the whole point of NTFS was an indexing FS, so that searches should take less time, but writes take longer (relatively, still quick as far as the user is concerned)
[20:52] <lcb> Wine and water goes well but not with everything. Either way i'm going to test "Everything" in my Wine
[20:52] <SIR_Taco> just does it a little more efficiently than the MS implementation
[20:52] <lcb> SIR_Taco: try it. you'ld be amazed how fast that thing is
[20:54] <tjones> my laptop is assymilating
[20:55] <LINKSWORD2> Resistance is futile.
[20:55] <SIR_Taco> I don't use search in windows enough to try it, but I'll take your word for it
[20:56] <lcb> assimilating? like the conversion of absorbed food into the substance of the body?
[20:56] <Daskreech> SIR_Taco: probably because it's not running the same safety checks as Windows does
[20:56] <lcb> tjones:  how's that?
[20:56] <tjones> no like surrendering to being probed
[20:57] <kingh3mp> lol
[20:57]  * LINKSWORD2 performs head-desk.*
[20:57] <lcb> tjones aka kingh3mp: ah
[20:57] <kingh3mp> yep
[20:58] <kingh3mp> fergot to switch it
[20:58] <lcb> on?
[20:58] <lcb> the laptop?
[20:58] <SIR_Taco> Daskreech: very likely
[20:58]  * Daskreech performs deskpalm
[20:58] <kingh3mp> 20 minuts till probing complete
[20:59] <Daskreech> apt-get install alien
[20:59] <Daskreech> alien probes are so much faster
[20:59]  * Daskreech puts in disclaimer that the above is a joke. Alien probes are much more painful in the long run
[20:59] <Daskreech> also
[20:59] <Daskreech> !info alien
[21:00] <kingh3mp> * dies laughing *
[21:00] <SIR_Taco> Daskreech: :)
[21:00]  * kingh3mp watches LINKSWORD2 roll on the floor.*
[21:00] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: In the hall of death?
[21:00] <kingh3mp> lol
[21:01] <kingh3mp> hes to buisy laughing to type
[21:01] <lcb> Daskreech: you made me recheck and probe what alien is good for :(
[21:01] <BluesKaj> eeeuuuwww ...learned my lesson with alien a while back , but I see it sneaks in with lsb-core which is needed to install google earth now
[21:02] <lcb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/alien
[21:02] <kingh3mp> is alienware a liable computer
[21:02] <lcb> dapper grrr
[21:03] <SIR_Taco> I blame you all for my lack of productivity today.... haha
[21:03] <Daskreech> kingh3mp: Yes they make the highend dells
[21:03] <Daskreech> Yo quiero
[21:03] <lcb> BluesKaj: i have google earth here to install and i did it before. i think it doesn't need any tricks :o
[21:03] <kingh3mp> i been thinking on getting one
[21:04] <kingh3mp> i g2g
[21:04] <lcb> kingh3mp: leave the HP here
[21:04] <LINKSWORD2> LOL!
[21:04] <lcb> too late
[21:05] <SIR_Taco> nice
[21:06] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I think that's also my exit cue..
[21:06] <LINKSWORD2> lcb: Why leave the HP?
[21:06] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: so he does't kill it anymore
[21:07] <lcb> his words ... :)
[21:07] <SIR_Taco> could teach him some manners too
[21:07] <lcb> he's busy
[21:08] <lcb> google-earth-stable_current_i386.deb i don't remember where i got this one
[21:08] <LINKSWORD2> lcb the HP is now surrendered to the Borg. It now belongs to the Coleftive. Resistance is futile.
[21:09] <lcb> hehehe
[22:21] <piet> evening, anyone here who can help me with a window behaviour problem?
[22:29] <carininet> Hi, anyone using kubuntu with nVidia card?
[22:31] <sithlord48> what kind of nvidia card?
[22:34] <carininet> it should be the mobile version ... but AFAIX my problem (konsole freezind during resize) affect all nVidia hardware
[22:36] <sithlord48> i don't seam to have this issue on my Geforce2 or gefore440Go(nv17)
[22:36] <sithlord48> using the propertary on the go chipset older version i think its v. 96.x.x.x
[22:40] <carininet> it shoul be  GT 230M