[12:00] <aaroncuk> ogra.. does htis link mean anything to you?
[12:00] <aaroncuk> its to do with setting the power button as shut down button
[12:00] <aaroncuk> which is what i need
[12:03] <ogra> aaroncuk: which link ?
[12:03] <aaroncuk>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/12/msg04077.html
[12:03] <aaroncuk> lol
[12:04] <Quest-Master> ogra: Do you remember what lib thing I had to download to get the MIDI working again?
[12:04] <Quest-Master> I had to reinstall Ubuntu, so yeah
[12:04] <ogra> aaroncuk: did you try the BIOS setting that is mentioned there ?
[12:05] <ogra> Quest-Master: hmm, sorry nope
[12:05] <aaroncuk> the only option i have is power off or suspend
[12:05] <Quest-Master> Who was the one who gave me that lib again?
[12:05] <Quest-Master> I have to find it
[12:05] <Quest-Master> :(
[12:05] <Quest-Master> It was like libsndseqoss or something
[12:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: ahh, no lib, a module :)
[12:06] <aaroncuk> orga how would i make that script?
[12:07] <ogra> Quest-Master: i think it was: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss && sudo modprobe snd-seq-device
[12:07] <confrey|^> ogra, it's not enough, simplecdrx doesn't work; O have a cdrecord log, but it's too long
[12:08] <ogra> confrey|^: drop it in #flood
[12:08] <socomm> confrey|^: Tail the log.
[12:09] <confrey|^> ogra, I think the problem is simplecdrx expectes cdrecord working with ide-scsi emulation, while in kernel 2.6 it's needed
[12:10] <Quest-Master> YES.
[12:10] <Quest-Master> That was it.
[12:10] <Quest-Master> :D
[12:10] <confrey|^> and how to solve this problem?
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Hm
[12:11] <aaroncuk> ogra.. how do i make that script on tat page ?
[12:12] <ogra> confrey|^: there is any way to tell cdrecord in a config option which device to use by default.....cant remember it
[12:13] <ogra> aaroncuk: there is no script, just a dead link.....
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > | Then I installed apmd and make a script /etc/apm/suspend.d/shutdown
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > | #!/bin/sh
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > |
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > | shutdown -h now
[12:15] <confrey|^> ogra, I simply need an app to burn audio cd, where I can set indexes into audio trackes, like the old xcdrdao or gcdmaster
[12:15] <basejumper944> is there some special way that you need to configure samba under debian/ubuntu
[12:16] <confrey|^> basejumper944, swat? or is there some gnome frontend?
[12:16] <jazzka> comes ubuntu with nfs by default?
[12:17] <basejumper944> i dont think so
[12:17] <basejumper944> its in universe but is unstable
[12:17] <jazzka> unstable?
[12:17] <jazzka> :((
[12:18] <basejumper944> wont let you install it
[12:18] <jazzka> but nfs is a well known unix protocol!
[12:18] <mjr> umm, yes, Ubuntu supports nfs, pretty much by default
[12:18] <Quest-Master> How can I kill a Nautilus window that won't close?
[12:18] <basejumper944> yeah im talking about swat
[12:18] <mjr> you probably want to install the supporting nfs-kernel-server package if you want to serve nfs
[12:18] <thoreauputic> jazzka: look for nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in synaptic\
[12:18] <jdub> nfs-common to use nfs, nfs-kernel-server to serve nfs
[12:19] <jazzka> thanks!
[12:20] <Quest-Master> killsig or something I guess?
[12:20] <newbeee> i somehow trashed my mbr, but i have lilo installed on my / partition (hdb3), is there a way i can still load ubuntu? i tried a grub floppy [grub> root (hd1,2); kernel /vmlinuz; boot]  but i got a kernel panic. any suggestions?
[12:21] <jpvcx> Quest-Master: xkill ?
[12:21] <Quest-Master> xkill nautilus?
[12:22] <socomm> Quest-Master: `killall -9 nautilus'
[12:22] <socomm> Quest-Master: Though nautilus will respawn after awhile.
[12:23] <aaroncuk> im out of ideas, damn linux lol
[12:23] <ogra> aaroncuk: look if the button module is loaded
[12:23] <aaroncuk> just unstinstalled apmd
[12:23] <aaroncuk> will reinstall
[12:23] <confrey|^> newbeee, you might give the correct root parameter after /vmlinuz; for example : kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdaX, where x is the correct number of your root partition
[12:23] <ogra> aaroncuk: your system supports acpi....use acpi
[12:24] <aaroncuk> whats the difference? amd how do i check the button module
[12:24] <ogra> aaroncuk: try: lsmod |grep button
[12:24] <Quest-Master> :( ok.
[12:24] <Quest-Master> Respawned. :P
[12:24] <Quest-Master> At least it works now.
[12:25] <newbeee> confrey|, i thought "root (hd1,2)" took care of that?
[12:25] <aaroncuk> no results for that
[12:25] <socomm> Quest-Master: Yeah that happens.
[12:25] <ogra> aaroncuk: so: sudo modprobe button
[12:26] <aaroncuk> fatal error inserting button. no such device
[12:26] <confrey|^> newbeee, with root (hdX,Y) you give the number disk and number partition of the kernel's filesystem
[12:26] <gumpish> So I thought that maybe by idling in #ubuntu my fresh install of warty would magically start connecting to samba shares. It has not.
[12:26] <confrey|^> in what partition of what disk ubuntu is resident?
[12:27] <ogra> aaroncuk :(
[12:27] <newbeee> hdb3
[12:27] <mirak> anyone know a captive source for apt sources.list ?
[12:27] <confrey|^> newbeee, in what partition of what disk ubuntu is ?
[12:28] <aaroncuk> any ways to fix that?
[12:28] <newbeee> confrey|, it's in the third partition on the second disk (/dev/hdb3 or hd1,2?)
[12:28] <flam> is there a simple way of editing which daemons to autostart with ubuntu(like portmap and inetd) or do I have to edit the init.d files manually?
[12:28] <ogra> flam: manually
[12:28] <Quest-Master> I need to request some features for Nautilus.
[12:28] <flam> ogra, ok. i can't seem to find which file that starts them tho :P
[12:29] <Quest-Master> It's got a while to go before getting as good as Konqueror. :(
[12:29] <flam> i'll just have to search harder.
[12:29] <newbeee> confrey|^, sorry, didn't spell your user name correctly; it's in the third partition on the second disk (/dev/hdb3 or hd1,2?)
[12:30] <ogra> flam: /etc/rc2.d holds all the initscripts for the default runlevel.....if you want the full functionallity of your desktop you dont want to disable portmap
[12:30] <flam> ogra, hm. portmap is only used for nfs-shares, or am i wrong?
[12:30] <confrey|^> newbeee, ok, so you type : root (hd1,2) ; kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb3 apm=on ; initrd /boot/initrd-.. (I don't remebre, complete it with tab key); boot
[12:31] <ogra> flam: remove or add the symlinks in the rc2.d to start or stop the services on boot
[12:31] <ogra> flam:  fam needs portmap
[12:31] <flam> ah, ok.
[12:31] <flam> then i'll let it stay.
[12:31] <flam> thanks for your help
[12:31] <ogra> flam: portmap on ubuntu is configured to listen only local so dont worry
[12:32] <flam> ogra: i wasn't worried about that. i'm secure. i just don't want a lot of daemons runnings and take up space in mem :)
[12:32] <gumpish> Is it configured to mount my samba shares too?
[12:33] <crimsun> might want to mention that Hoary has moved away from famd
[12:33] <flam> i can't understand why almost 500 mb of my memory i used..
[12:33] <crimsun> flam: how much RAM do you have?
[12:33] <flam> 512
[12:34] <crimsun> flam: then that's normal. Linux aggressively caches.
[12:34] <flam> yeah i know. but i just have like 8 mb free right now :P
[12:34] <flam> guess it keeps it at that level
[12:34] <crimsun> that's the wrong number to look at
[12:34] <flam> ok..? :)
[12:35] <ogra> flam: thats great ...as long as the system doesnt swap you should be happy that your mem gets used ;)
[12:35] <crimsun> flam: free -m|grep '-'|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'
[12:35] <confrey|^> ogra, another font problem : in audacity, I see too large fonts; menu uses small fonts as other gnome apps; fonts of application are too large, and go out the correct width, what can I do?
[12:35] <flam> i get 311
[12:36] <ogra> flam: much less then 512 :)
[12:36] <newbeee> confrey|^, thank you kindly, i'm going to try it now
[12:36] <crimsun> flam: that's how much reclaiming memory you have. 311 seems plenty.
[12:36] <flam> which means 311 is "free"?:)
[12:36] <flam> ah, ok
[12:36] <crimsun> err, reclaimable
[12:36] <crimsun> my grammar is all shot this evening
[12:36] <flam> :]
[12:36] <flam> then there's no problem. thanks
[12:38] <flam> don't know where to post this idea i got. but why don't ubuntu ships more kernelpackages in the install? so one can decide which precompiled kernel that fits best. it's dumb to have like 50 modules loaded after an install.
[12:38] <crimsun> flam: "kernelpackages?"
[12:38] <crimsun> as in linux-image-foo.deb?
[12:38] <crimsun> or as in kernel modules?
[12:38] <flam> yeah
[12:38] <flam> .deb package
[12:39] <crimsun> keep in mind there's a space constraint - 1 ISO.
[12:39] <ogra> confrey|^: sorry, audacity uses wxgtk, i have no clue how to set the fonts there if they dont get pcked up fron the theme.... has the program itself an font option ?
[12:39] <flam> well, a kernel package don't usually take more space than 2 mb. my doesn't anyway
[12:39] <tm17h> Hi all -- I upgraded to hoary and can't get X back up (xorg now). Can anyone help me out?
[12:40] <flam> and i've got support for quite a lot of things
[12:40] <crimsun> flam: "my" is key - you've compiled it specifically for your hardware. Imagine trying to do that for a wide expanse of hardware matrices
[12:40] <confrey|^> ogra, no, not in the preferences dialog from menu
[12:40] <Eraph> Hi everyone - a question! I have Unreal Tournament 2004 on DVD, and in the root folder, there is a file called linux-installer.sh. Whenever I go to run it, the terminal window shows up briefly and disappears, nothing happens after that. If I access it straight from terminal, it claims I do not have priveliges to access it, even when using 'sudo'. Any ideas on whats going on?
[12:41] <ogra> Eraph: run it from a terminal to see the errors that occur
[12:41] <confrey|^> ogra, is it possible to configure wxgtk otions, as did we do about gkt fonts?
[12:41] <crimsun> Eraph: from a terminal: sudo sh ./linux-installer.sh
[12:41] <ceu> Eraph: maybe the dvd is mounted with "noexec" option
[12:41] <flam> crimsun: yeah, i know. just an idea..
[12:41] <ogra> confrey|^: i dont know....
[12:42] <flam> crimsun: would be nice tho if one could make an own kernel in expert-mode.
[12:42] <Eraph> Aaaaah, thats working now. Didn't realise you had to add in the 'sh' there! Thanks guys!
[12:42] <flam> own = customized
[12:42] <crimsun> flam: I don't believe that belongs in the installer, however. After one completes the installation, that's a perfectly good choice to begin with.
[12:43] <aaroncuk> is there anyway of shutting ubuntu down through ssh command, without having to log in,. ie saving the user name etc in the client
[12:43] <newbeee> confrey|^, thank you, it worked like a charm. now to figure out why i can't write a good mbr... :)
[12:43] <confrey|^> I'm try to install xcdrdao, after obtainig a deb from an old rpm with alien; ldd tell me it needs some libraries; some of them are missing :   libgdkmm-1.0.so.1,libstdc++.so.2.8 and /lib/ld-linux.so.2; can I do anything?
[12:43] <WebMaven> Hello All. My sound isn't working, and I don't know how to diagnose or fix it.
[12:44] <socomm> Bleh, audio is over rated.
[12:44] <spity> confrey|^: apt-get install xcdroast?
[12:44] <flam> crimsun: yeah :)
[12:44] <confrey|^> newbeee setup grub again now ...
[12:44] <crimsun> WebMaven: what sound chipset?
[12:44] <confrey|^> spity, no, dpkg -i xcdrdao, not xcdroast
[12:44] <WebMaven> The device manager says I have a 82801BA/BAM AC'97
[12:45] <spity> confrey|^: oh, dunno then
[12:45] <crimsun> WebMaven: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <spity> confrey|^: get Contents-i386.gz file (or similar) and grep which package has those files
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_intel8x0           33068  3
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[12:45] <WebMaven> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd                    50660  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[12:45] <crimsun> WebMaven: next time, please paste in #flood, thanks :)
[12:46] <tvon|x31> need a paste url in the topic
[12:46] <WebMaven> crimsun: sorry.
[12:46] <tvon|x31> #flood sucks
[12:46] <crimsun> then suggest pastebin.com, tvon|x31.
[12:46] <tvon|x31> crimsun: thats what I'm saying
[12:46] <WebMaven> I'll use http://paste.plone.org from now on.
[12:46] <flam> ah, when talking about the intel8x0.. i've got an intel card that uses that driver but the card doesn't support hardware mixing. is the a simple way to enable software mixing? tried alsa with my debian and it fucked things up :P
[12:46] <crimsun> flam: use dmix.
[12:47] <flam> hm, ok. i'll check it out
[12:47] <tm17h> When I try to boot X, I get a complaint that X is already running -- the only screen I see is grey with the standard X cursor floating on it.
[12:47] <flam> thanks
[12:47] <WebMaven> crimsun: what's my next step?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> crimsun: the /topic used to have a paste url, I seem to recall - don't know why it was removed...
[12:48] <crimsun> flam: I've placed a simple config at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/asound.conf ; if you have additional questions, /join #alsa and we'll discuss it there.
[12:48] <Zugot> so what is the state of hoary as of today?
[12:48] <flam> thanks :)
[12:48] <crimsun> Zugot: please rephrase
[12:48] <WebMaven> crimsun: http://paste.plone.org/250
[12:49] <Zugot> ok... i' just did a apt-get upgrade on my hoary box
[12:49] <Zugot> any obvious gotchas?
[12:49] <crimsun> Zugot: mine's working fine. Just dist-upgraded 5 minutes ago.
[12:49] <gumpish> Wow, so anyone can change the topic huh?
[12:49] <crimsun> gumpish: that's correct, this channel is not +t
[12:49] <geertn> j #asterisk-drinkers
[12:50] <geertn> sorry
[12:50] <tm17h> Zugot: Mine's fubared.
[12:50] <WebMaven> crimsun: what do I try next?
[12:50] <Sensebend> I like that this channel doesn't have any opers too 90% of the time :)
[12:50] <tm17h> Zugot: No X.
[12:50] <Sensebend> nothing wrong with not having X
[12:51] <gumpish> =/ wish there were something I could do to figure out WHY I can connect to my samba shares.
[12:51] <Sensebend> as long as you can get to a terminal
[12:51] <gumpish> can't
[12:51] <Zugot> Sensebend, i can't... i program in java...
[12:51] <Sensebend> you can fix whatever just broke :)
[12:51] <usual> I wish audacity worked in ubuntu
[12:51] <usual> with alsa
[12:51] <Sensebend> umm you don't need X to program in Java
[12:51] <crimsun> usual: wrap it with aoss.
[12:51] <usual> crimsun, how
[12:51] <Zugot> Sensebend, uh yes you do when you develop swing apps
[12:51] <WebMaven> crimsun?
[12:51] <Sensebend> unless you're doing any sort of interfaces
[12:51] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install alsa-oss && aoss audacity
[12:51] <crimsun> WebMaven: please wait a sec.
[12:52] <usual> ok
[12:52] <Zugot> Sensebend, you've never seen a large java project then
[12:52] <WebMaven> crimsun: certainly.
[12:52] <socomm> Zugot: Not you don't, unless you actually wanna see your app.
[12:52] <tm17h> Sensebend: Well -- I program in pygtk, and you can't even >>>import gtk without X :)
[12:52] <Sensebend> yeah socomm
[12:52] <Zugot> socomm, now thats just silly
[12:52] <socomm> Zugot: One can program and compile pretty much anything from theCLI.
[12:52] <confrey|^> crimsun : what's aoss?
[12:52] <socomm> s/not/no
[12:53] <crimsun> confrey|^: 'ALSA OSS-compatibility application wrapper'
[12:53] <Zugot> socomm, socomm i can't do my model driven architecture programming from the CLI
[12:53] <crimsun> WebMaven: do you have a .wav file handy?
[12:53] <socomm> Zugot: Weak.
[12:53] <stodge> I just installed spe - a Python GUI builder. When I run it - the fonts are horrible and look to be un-anti-aliased, like it's using GTK1 instead of GTK2. It uses wxGlade - anyone come across anything like this before? Thanks
[12:53] <confrey|^> crimsun, apt-cache search doesn't find anything about aoss
[12:53] <Zugot> no weak... just don't be so PRO CLI
[12:53] <crimsun> confrey|^: 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[12:53] <Zugot> i'm fine with the CLI
[12:53] <Zugot> i can't just think of times when i'd rather not use it
[12:53] <usual> crimsun, doesn't detect any sound device
[12:53] <crimsun> confrey|^: note it's in 'universe'
[12:54] <socomm> Zugot: I'm not pro CLI :^/
[12:54] <WebMaven> crimsun: Ummm... I think I can find one from the stuff that's on the system...
[12:54] <confrey|^> crimsun, I don't use hoary; what can I do? do I have to compile it?
[12:54] <crimsun> WebMaven: xemacs21 has a ton of .wavs ;)
[12:54] <beaufils> any idea how to change a printer name ?
[12:54] <crimsun> ['xemacs21-basesupport' package]
[12:54] <socomm> Isn't wavs like the bmp of audio files.
[12:55] <socomm> s/wavs/wave
[12:55] <usual> crimsun, says host error, no audio device detected
[12:55] <Sensebend> no socomm
[12:55] <Sensebend> more like the uncompressed tiff of audio files
[12:55] <crimsun> usual: but it runs fine using alsa's oss emulation?
[12:55] <usual> crimsun, the application open's but you can't do anything with it, theres no sound device
[12:55] <confrey|^> crimsun, I use audacity with alsa, but I have to stop esd
[12:56] <crimsun> usual: read what confrey|^ just typed
[12:56] <usual> ahhh
[12:56] <usual> that sucks
[12:56] <usual> heh
[12:56] <usual> thank you :)
[12:56] <confrey|^> usual : because it find /dev/dsp used by another app (esd);
[12:56] <usual> gotcha
[12:56] <crimsun> WebMaven: when you've located a .wav file, use `aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav' to test if alsa itself works
[12:57] <confrey|^> crimsun, using alsa support it's possible to use audacity and esd?
[12:59] <socomm> This is boring, see you guys.
[12:59] <WebMaven> crimsun: nope, nothing.
[01:00] <WebMaven> That is, it says the following:
[01:00] <WebMaven> Playing WAVE 'startup.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
[01:01] <WebMaven> but I get no sound from the speakers.
[01:01] <tm17h> Geez... if X doesn't start, shouldn't the error log end in something like "Error: blah blah blah is broken..."? It seems to just not work here, with no useful output that I can see...
[01:02] <WebMaven> incidentally, /usr/share/sounds seems like a good default sound source for debugging purposes.
[01:02] <crimsun> WebMaven: ok, so aplay doesn't throw an error; it just hangs?
[01:02] <crimsun> WebMaven: `lsof /dev/snd/*' && `lsof /dev/dsp*'
[01:02] <borgmeister> well, that settles it, ill be using ubuntu as a server
[01:03] <WebMaven> I wouldn't say it hangs. It just waits a few seconds, then gives me back the prompt.
[01:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: ah, so it _does_ play
[01:03] <borgmeister> windows server 2003 sucks
[01:03] <borgmeister> no driver support
[01:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: in that case you want to ensure the mixer is unmuted and the volumes, increased
[01:03] <borgmeister> network connectivity is 'patchy' at best, and it didnt even recognise my gpu hardware
[01:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: please paste `amixer' output to the web site
[01:04] <usual> is ubuntu's laptop support good?
[01:04] <borgmeister> ye
[01:04] <borgmeister> very imo
[01:04] <borgmeister> saw my wireless card flawlessly
[01:04] <borgmeister> but
[01:04] <borgmeister> bootup is slow
[01:05] <borgmeister> trouble is, for me, disabling 'auto' in network hardware caused GNOME to become unstable
[01:05] <borgmeister> other than that no problems
[01:05] <WebMaven> crimsun: http://paste.plone.org/251
[01:06] <borgmeister> btw, when i try to run kismet it gives some error, fatal, failed to find cisco config file, and kills itself
[01:06] <borgmeister> any ideas?
[01:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: note in your output that PCM is muted.
[01:06] <borgmeister> im not using a cisco config file
[01:07] <borgmeister> ive got a prism2 card
[01:07] <WebMaven> crimsun: Hmm.
[01:07] <crimsun> WebMaven: for "Simple mixer control 'PCM',0", both "Front Left" and "Front Right" are muted "[off] " and set to vol. level 0%
[01:08] <crimsun> borgmeister: try the documentation for kismet in /usr/share/doc/kismet/
[01:08] <borgmeister> crimsun: ok
[01:08] <WebMaven> Ok, I open the audio panel, and I see two tabs: 'Cirrus Logic CS4201 rev 5 [OSS Mixer] ' , and 'Intel 82801BA-ICH2 [Alsa Miker] '.
[01:10] <crimsun> WebMaven: personally, I find using `alsamixer' more convenient; try running `alsamixer' from a terminal
[01:10] <confrey|^> goodnigth everybody!
[01:10] <borgmeister> crimsun: which one?
[01:10] <crimsun> WebMaven: use the left arrow to scroll to the PCM selection, then use 'm' to unmute it, then use the up arrow to increase the vol %
[01:10] <Roshbo> nite
[01:11] <crimsun> borgmeister: I don't have 'kismet' installed; there should be example configs you can look at
[01:11] <WebMaven> crimsun: Thanks! That's very cool.
[01:12] <borgmeister> crimsun: nothing like that
[01:15] <kensai> Ok I need to make clear what is breaking my hoary. Is it the packages that gives a warning about If I want to install them and they say I have a current version If I wish to install the mainteiners version and I say yes?
[01:18] <usual> what is running in this term?
[01:18] <usual> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18459&file1=18459-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Edge+GTK+%28coming+soon%29
[01:20] <kensai> usual, ubuntu
[01:20] <kensai> :)
[01:20] <usual> kensai, no
[01:20] <usual> kensai, what app is displaying that info
[01:20] <JDahl> is it possible to install hoary directly without upgrading from warty?
[01:21] <Gwildor> no
[01:21] <kensai> usual, terminal
[01:22] <usual> kensai, no, what app is running IN the terminal
[01:22] <kensai> usual, oohhh ok now I know what you mean
[01:22] <usual> heh
[01:22] <kensai> usual, LOL
[01:22] <kensai> usual, sadly I forgot what is the app that is doing it
[01:22] <usual> kensai, it looks nice
[01:23] <Gwildor> any playstation emulators in the repos?
[01:23] <kensai> usual, really nice
[01:24] <kensai> there are no hoary test cd out yet?
[01:25] <Gwildor> no
[01:25] <kensai> Damn I need to dist-upgrade all night again
[01:25] <Gwildor> does it take that long?
[01:25] <Gwildor> semms, last time i did, took only 45 mins
[01:26] <kensai> Gwildor, nahh just like 2 - 3 hours
[01:26] <usual> takes me seconds
[01:26] <Gwildor> err, maybe less
[01:26] <Gwildor> usual, how?
[01:26] <Gwildor> no way
[01:26] <kensai> Gwildor, I have 512 Kbs only
[01:26] <Gwildor> kensai, what a bummer
[01:26] <JDahl> I wanted to upgrade to hoary, but I didnt have the required 600+ MBs free for apt - my root partition is full (I even uninstalled OpenOffice).. Warty is nice, but such a hog!
[01:26] <usual> Gwildor, wait, do you mean to go from warty to hoary or to just do a hoary dist upgrade in hoary
[01:26] <kensai> Gwildor, is better than 56K
[01:27] <thenuke> should there be lsconfig command
[01:27] <Gwildor> usual, warty to hoary
[01:27] <Gwildor> kensai, i guess so.......so optimistic
[01:27] <usual> Gwildor, oh, prob took me like 20 min
[01:27] <thenuke> does not work in this install. I wonder if dist-upgrade brings it?
[01:27] <usual> i dist-upgrade every day
[01:27] <kensai> My hoary brokes every week so I need to reinstall everyweek
[01:28] <Gwildor> me too
[01:28] <Gwildor> just did
[01:28] <Gwildor> kensai, what are you doing....ive had 0 problems from hoary, well xcept sed breakage for a day
[01:29] <kensai> Gwildor, I don't know there are some packages that ask me Y/n/etc/etc/etc/ and I always hit yes
[01:29] <kensai> Gwildor, is that wrong?
[01:29] <kensai> Gwildor, what you do when does packages appear?
[01:30] <Gwildor> kensai, hmmm, i rarely get that, but i do, as well, answer yes....still, i get no problems, maybe its some stuff you do BEFORE your hoary attempt
[01:30] <thoreauputic> kensai: if the old configuration was working, I don't accept a new one, if that's what you mean
[01:31] <vigilanty667> hey all...
[01:31] <kensai> Gwildor, thoreauputic, with some updates hoary gets broken to the way that when I reboot I have no internet connectiom
[01:31] <vigilanty667> i'm at another try with ubuntu on this pavilion ze4400...
[01:32] <thoreauputic> kensai: well, it *is* the development version, after all :)
[01:32] <vigilanty667> is there anyone available who can help me?
[01:32] <Gwildor> how do i open a .zip file?, err "unzip it"
[01:32] <kensai> thoreauputic, but If it don't happen to anyone here hten I'm doing something wrong when I updatye
[01:32] <Gwildor> kensai, maybe say NO
[01:33] <kensai> Gwildor, zip package is in repositories
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: err... unzip <file> , oddly enough ;)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> or gunzip
[01:33] <thoreauputic> for gz files
[01:34] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, kk, thnx it is a .zip so unzip <file>will work
[01:34] <usual> http://www.slackcare.com/ad-aware.jpg
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: yep, assuming unzip/zip is installed
[01:35] <sladen> cenerentola: yup
[01:36] <kensai> usual, lol ad-aware
[01:36] <usual> :)
[01:38] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, it worked
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: the wonders of Open Source ;-)
[01:39] <Skwid_> usual: wine ? )
[01:39] <usual> Skwid_, no idea
[01:40] <thenuke> whoa, dist-upgrade says that there is nothing to upgrade? I have never done that before :o  but I did apt-get upgrade
[01:41] <thenuke> is there something wrong :)
[01:41] <usual> thenuke, did you add hoary to sources.list
[01:41] <Gwildor> thenuke, do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[01:42] <thenuke> Gwildor: yes, I did that
[01:42] <intinig> guys I broke my ubuntu
[01:42] <thenuke> usual: I have everything uncommented in sources.list
[01:42] <usual> did you drop it
[01:42] <intinig> I wanted to upgrade from warty to hoary
[01:42] <intinig> changed apt.sources
[01:42] <usual> thenuke, you have to change warty to say hoary
[01:43] <thenuke> ah ok
[01:43] <intinig> and apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[01:43] <usual> :)
[01:43] <thenuke> and then I will have hoary I guess? :)
[01:43] <usual> yes
[01:43] <intinig> then I discovered that ubuntu-desktop wasn't updated
[01:43] <thenuke> but do I want to have that =)  well, if it works
[01:43] <vigilanty667> you can't just install hoary first?
[01:43] <intinig> so I did an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <usual> thenuke, I use it i love it
[01:43] <intinig> and.... BOOM! no x anymore
[01:43] <intinig> how do I tell x.org to reconfigure itself automagically
[01:43] <intinig> ?
[01:44] <usual> intinig, do you use nvidia?
[01:44] <intinig> (god bless bitchx)
[01:44] <Gwildor> vigilanty667, nope
[01:44] <intinig> I used ati
[01:44] <usual> oh
[01:44] <intinig> fglxr
[01:44] <vigilanty667> ok
[01:44] <intinig> on X11R6
[01:44] <thenuke> usual: I will give it a go. hmm.. But what one I should change to hoary :o
[01:44] <Gwildor> thenuke, everywhere it say warty
[01:45] <Gwildor> thenuke, all of the,
[01:45] <vigilanty667> has there ever been anybody successfull at an nvidia driver for ubuntu?
[01:45] <usual> thenuke, it may work great but it isn't considered stable, it is a work in progress...so if one day something breaks you have to deal with it
[01:45] <intinig> thenuke: then remember not to upgrade ubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <intinig> is it possible to have xorg reconfigure itself automatically or must I configure it by hand?
[01:45] <usual> vigilanty667, me
[01:45] <vigilanty667> really?
[01:46] <usual> vigilanty667, I use nvidia drivers
[01:46] <vigilanty667> dude, is there any way u can help me set up my laptop?
[01:46] <thenuke> intinig: :I but if I do dist-upgrade it would upgrade that?
[01:46] <Gwildor> intinig, Xorg just WORKED for me
[01:46] <thenuke> so how to prevent it
[01:46] <usual> vigilanty667, there are two ways, follow the instructions on the wiki or use the driver from nvidia.com
[01:46] <thoreauputic> intinig: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:46] <intinig> thenuke: dist-upgrade leaves it alone
[01:46] <usual> msg me
[01:46] <thenuke> ah.
[01:46] <intinig> thoreauputic I did that but it asks lots of questions :)
[01:46] <vigilanty667> driver from nvidia sounds good...
[01:47] <thoreauputic> intinig: hehe..well, yes ;)
[01:47] <usual> vigilanty667, they are both from nvidia
[01:47] <usual> vigilanty667, but one is from there site one if from in ubuntu
[01:47] <vigilanty667> well dude, I may need a lot of other help here really shortly...
[01:48] <usual> msg me
[01:48] <vigilanty667> ok
[01:48] <intinig> thoreauputic: did it again
[01:48] <intinig> but it doesn't work
[01:48] <intinig> from the log it seems to try to load the fglxr module
[01:53] <intinig> looks like I have to reinstall warty
[01:53] <intinig> and stick with that
[02:00] <Phr0stByte> http://www.world-cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/11/30/bush.arrest/index.html
[02:00] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:05] <Handy> I'm currently running Debian Sarge. How does Ubuntu compare?
[02:06] <crimsun> ubuntu provides a streamlined, gnome 2.8-based interface
[02:06] <Handy> I like Sarge, but the lack of security updates frightens me...
[02:06] <Handy> Does the "universe" repository thing provide most of what I'd find in the debian repository?
[02:07] <meff> yes
[02:07] <Handy> Nifty
[02:07] <meff> if you want stable use warty, if you want something similar to sid check out hoary
[02:07] <Handy> meff: Na, I'm not that brave
[02:08] <meff> warty is updated on a ~6mo timeframe.. needless to say a bit more often than debian :)
[02:08] <Handy> meff: I just want something more up to date that Debian Stable that get security updates
[02:08] <meff> Handy: warty will probably be great for you then.
[02:08] <Handy> I think I'll give it a try ten
[02:08] <Handy> then, that is
[02:08] <meff> let me know how it goes :)
[02:10] <Handy> will do
[02:10] <vigilanty667> how do i indstall in failsafe mode?
[02:11] <Handy> Do the security updates get stuck into the main repository, or would I need to add an extra line in my sources file?
[02:11] <meff> extra line but its added automagically Handy
[02:11] <Handy> Nice
[02:12] <Gwildor> any playstation emulators in the repos?
[02:12] <Handy> Can't wait till my Warty ISO is done DLing :)
[02:12] <Gwildor> lol
[02:15] <Matt|> problem: i've just converted a openoffice file to pdf and when I view it in xpdf it looks absolutely dreadful. Screenshot of it is here: http://mdke.mine.nu/images/pdf_problems.png Anyone have any ideas as to what might be wrong? I have no idea if it is the pdf file itself that is bad, or simply my screen's display of it.
[02:16] <DeanG> Can you change the grainy font?
[02:16] <Gwildor> Matt|, maybe its just that font?
[02:16] <ootoot> How do I get rid of the x cursor in the middle of my screen??
[02:17] <Matt|> Gwildor, maybe. It is all in the same font with very few exceptions: Nimbus Roman.
[02:18] <Matt|> Gwildor, but that is a really standard font and I've always used it in the past with other OSes without any problems
[02:18] <vigilanty667> how do I install using failsafe options?
[02:20] <Matt|> vigilanty667, what do you mean?
[02:21] <vigilanty667> i'm tryin to put ubuntu on this laptop...
[02:21] <Matt|> yes
[02:21] <vigilanty667> but the only way I can get the live cd to boot is through failsafe mode...
[02:22] <Matt|> really
[02:22] <vigilanty667> otherwise, it'll freeze.
[02:22] <vigilanty667> yep yep
[02:22] <Matt|> what is wrong with it?
[02:22] <vigilanty667> nothing wrong with the laptop itself...
[02:23] <vigilanty667> i just wish I knew how to install using the failsafe...
[02:23] <Matt|> what is the error given?
[02:24] <Matt|> not much point installing if it is not going to work
[02:24] <vigilanty667> i figured maybe it'll work after being able to get it on the net with a gui at least.
[02:25] <Matt|> i think that if the live cd won't boot, then you're not gonna have much luck. Check the wiki for supported laptop hardware and look for your laptop
[02:27] <vigilanty667> i'm lookin here for that...
[02:27] <vigilanty667> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[02:27] <vigilanty667> don't see a place to look for this laptop though.
[02:28] <usual> the install cd boots for me
[02:28] <usual> but the cd's I got in the mail the live cd doesn't
[02:28] <Matt|> vigilanty667, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[02:29] <vigilanty667> my laptop's not listed.
[02:30] <sm> hi all
[02:30] <sm> so, I'm making progress with this dell inspiron 1100, upgraded from knoppix -> sarge -> hoary
[02:31] <sm> I had to add ide-cd and psmouse manually to /etc/modules for some reason
[02:31] <sm> now my touchpad and cd work
[02:31] <sm> but I don't get the usual /dev/cd* links - what should set those up for me ?
[02:34] <Rene_S> Well, after 7 months and around 40 Distro's my great Linux search has come to an end.
[02:37] <Rene_S> Guess no one really cares that i found a distro i am gonna stick with
[02:37] <sm> congrats Rene_S :)
[02:37] <sm> 40 was a bit of overkill, don't you think
[02:38] <Rene_S> No, I went through language, big and small distro's and specialty ones
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> heh
[02:38] <sm> it was basically debian or ubuntu, no ? :)
[02:38] <Rene_S> Yeah thats what it kept comming down to in the end
[02:38] <Rene_S> decided that rpm based distro's werent that nice for me
[02:39] <usual> rpm sucks
[02:39] <Rene_S> I am amazed at how creative people are sometimes
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> Mandrake's urpmi is getting pretty good, but not as good as apt yet...
[02:40] <Rene_S> Looked at Kurumin this morning, if they had a good english version it would really rock.
[02:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> Night folks
[02:44] <Rene_S> All thats left now is for me to convert the wife and all will be swell here
[02:44] <Gwildor> still trying to do that?
[02:44] <Rene_S> Yeah, she hasn't even looked at the live cd yet, once she does I think its a done deal
[02:44] <Gwildor> hmmmm
[02:45] <Gwildor> make her.....slip it in her computer, start it up...she will have no choice BUT to see it
[02:45] <Gwildor> Phr0stByte, and sleep on the couch
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> nah
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> I went to Korea and got a good one
[02:46] <Rene_S> I am sure over her Xmas holidays it will be done, she has 10 days off.  If i cant convert her I am getting a room in a boarding house and calling a lawyer
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> I think I'll keep this one
[02:46] <vigilanty667> hey, in burning a data iso to a CD-RW, should I use mode 1, or mode 2/XA?
[02:46] <sm> does anyone know how to make udev set up /cdrom symlinks ?
[02:47] <sm>  /dev/cdrom I mean
[02:47] <Phr0stByte> vigilanty667: mode 1
[02:48] <vigilanty667> ok
[02:51] <Phr0stByte> vigilanty667: It might even be easier if you just copy all the files you want to burn to burn:/// and then hit the button that says "burn to CD"
[02:51] <g0d> is anyone having problems with GTK?
[02:51] <K-otiK> when i start gedit from terminal i get  Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:51] <K-otiK> does anyone know whats causing this?
[02:54] <Gwildor> i am on hoary, how terriblw would it be if i got roxpinboard from the debian repos?
[02:56] <usual> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18486&file1=18486-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+GDM+Theme
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: I believe the pinboard feature is part of rox filer, which AFAIK only needs 2 debs - in fact I have them here if you're interested
[02:57] <Rene_S> eww eww, I want that
[02:57] <thoreauputic> but I'm on dialup so it could be a slow transfer
[02:57] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, slow is fine, if its fine with you....but could you help me set those up (if i need it) after they are done?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: It's been a while, but I think I could try, yeah
[02:58] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, do you use it?
[02:58] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, do you use it?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: not the pinboard, but the filer, yes
[02:59] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, you will be sending me pinboard as well?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: I tried the pinboard, but it didn't suit my needs
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: as I said, it's part of rox filer
[02:59] <vigilanty667> i'm burnin ubuntu install iso to a cd-rw...
[03:00] <vigilanty667> and trying to install it on my hp pavilion 4400 laptop.
[03:04] <vigilanty667> i need help doing so.
[03:16] <TonyK> Is the sources.list that comes with ubuntu the best source to use for adding apps.
[03:16] <Gwildor> YES
[03:16] <Gwildor> dont use any others
[03:16] <TonyK> Should I just un comment the lines that have # in front of them.
[03:17] <TonyK> At present I only have the CD lines uncommented
[03:18] <Rene_S> That would probably work best
[03:18] <Rene_S> Comment the CD line and uncomment the rest
[03:18] <illustre> does gnucash come with ubuntu ?
[03:18] <TonyK> OK.  Thanks for the information
[03:19] <Rene_S> Expect my bill in the mail :)
[03:19] <TonyK> Ha Ha.
[03:21] <Rene_S> illustre, not as part of the initial install, however it can be downloaded
[03:21] <vigilanty667> anybody know how to install ubuntu using the failsafe option?
[03:21] <Rene_S> Can't say that I have ever had to use that option
[03:22] <illustre> Rene_S: k
[03:22] <vigilanty667> most haven't...
[03:22] <vigilanty667> but I'm having probs gettin the install to fully work on this laptop of mine.
[03:22] <Rene_S> I guess my answer to you is NO then.  Perhaps someone else has tried it
[03:23] <vigilanty667> hmmm...
[03:23] <Rene_S> I dont use a laptop, dont even own one yet.
[03:23] <vigilanty667> i've read reviews that some have gotten this os to go on a machine even better than this one...
[03:23] <vigilanty667> so I know it has to work.
[03:23] <vigilanty667> tell me somethin though.
[03:24] <vigilanty667> would u recommend I have the system connected to the net during installation?
[03:24] <marsjays> how much gnome is ubuntu? are there for example any qt application, or is everything gtk/gnome?
[03:24] <Rene_S> Its all Gnome all the time
[03:25] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: yes, have an internet connection and any network connected
[03:25] <Rene_S> You can install the qt stuff
[03:25] <vigilanty667> i did once...
[03:25] <vigilanty667> then the install would freeze on a pakage called cupsys
[03:26] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: was your printer connected?
[03:26] <vigilanty667> no
[03:27] <thoreauputic> well, that's the printer system (Common Unix Printing System) CUPS
[03:27] <vigilanty667> unh hunh
[03:27] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: so if you have a printer, have it connected as well
[03:27] <vigilanty667> i don't have one.
[03:28] <thoreauputic> OK, well I don't know then.
[03:28] <vigilanty667> is there a way to bypass cups
[03:28] <vigilanty667> ?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> possibly it was hunting for a network printer
[03:31] <illustre> heheh i am reading this in linuxgazzete
[03:31] <vigilanty667> so should I just leave it be when I think it freezes?
[03:31] <illustre> I'm waiting for my Ubuntu cds to arrive :)
[03:32] <vigilanty667> Ahhh well...
[03:32] <vigilanty667> gonna retry this installation one late tym
[03:32] <vigilanty667> bye.
[03:33] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: depends how long you define as a freeze, I guess
[03:33] <thoreauputic> sometimes things are happening and you can't tell
[03:39] <hypegt> anyone here run Ubuntu on a Thinkpad by chance?
[03:41] <LinuxJones> evening everybody
[03:43] <Rene_S> Hola Mr Jones
[03:43] <LinuxJones> hi Rene_S
[03:44] <LinuxJones> quiet here tonight which is very strange, people must be out paying homage to Santa :D
[03:45] <linux_galore> welcome to Santa  Linux..heh heh
[03:45] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:46] <linux_galore> ho ho ho what distribution would you like this year
[03:46] <LinuxJones> linux_galore, Santa is vapor-ware Linux is not :)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> linux_galore: Santa would no doubt like Red Hat ;)
[03:47] <Rene_S> No Mr Jones there is a Santa Claus
[03:48] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, Santa only delivers Ubuntu cd's
[03:49] <thoreauputic> ..and he sacked the dwarves, moved to the South Pole, and now has penguins administering his network...
[03:49] <Rene_S> As if he would need anything more
[03:50] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: indeed, his philosophy would fit Ubuntu better than Redhat :)
[03:51] <Rene_S> And for a man who built his whole legend around speed Redhat would cause some problems
[03:51] <thoreauputic> hehe
[03:51] <SantaClause> HoHoHo Merry Christmas, Ubuntu CD's for Who in Who-Ville !!
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> i am stilll waiting on my ubuntu ordered month ago
[03:52] <Rene_S> It took mine a while to get here they only arrived last week
[03:53] <SantaClause> now we need someeone to change their name to the Grinch so I can convince them that Ubuntu is like really cool ??
[03:53] <SantaClause> heh
[03:54] <Scrooge> Bah, Humbug!
[03:55] <SantaClause> Scrooge what can Santa bring you to make that frown turn upsidedown ??
[03:55] <Scrooge> hrmph
[03:55] <Scrooge> something faster than 56k would be nice... ;)
[03:56] <SantaClause> Scrooge, I am sorry There is no Santa :(
[03:56] <LinuxJones> I tried
[03:57] <thoreauputic> it's the thought that counts... hoho
[03:57] <LinuxJones> ho ho ho
[03:57] <LinuxJones> :D
[03:58] <thoreauputic> @_@
[03:58] <thoreauputic> :D
[03:59] <Rene_S> 274 people in here and only 3 of us are chatting
[03:59] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, ya it is very strange
[04:00] <Rene_S> Well imagine if all of use here were talking at once
[04:00] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, your from Canada ?
[04:00] <jdub> LinuxJones: don't accuse people of being canadian ;-)
[04:01] <LinuxJones> jdub, what is wrong with that MATE :)
[04:01] <LinuxJones> jdub, can I pm you ?
[04:01] <LinuxJones> jsut for a sec ?
[04:01] <Rene_S> I am from Canada
[04:02] <Rene_S> there aint nothing wrong with that
[04:02] <LinuxJones> Rene_S,  from monteal ?
[04:02] <jdub> LinuxJones: sure
[04:02] <LinuxJones> err Montreal
[04:02] <Rene_S> Its not like being from lets say ... Hunduras, or Iraq or someplace
[04:02] <Rene_S> No like i said I am Canadian hehe
[04:03] <thoreauputic> could be worse - you could be from Australia...
[04:03] <LinuxJones> Rene I am from Cape Breton :D
[04:04] <Rene_S> Your part of Canada then
[04:04] <avdd> jdub: hi jeff
[04:04] <avdd> jdub: you in sydney atm?
[04:04] <Rene_S> and I even consider Newfies Canadian
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: dude!
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: yeah
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: but, er, not for long :)
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: got a landline?
[04:04] <avdd> jdub: haha, jetsetter
[04:04] <thoreauputic> tvon|x31: mate, i prefer to ride a jet propelled wombat...
[04:05] <jdub> avdd: leaving for spain in 4 hours ;)
[04:05] <xf_> jdub: you been recieving my emails/private messages, or is there a reason i'm perhaps being ignored?
[04:05] <Rene_S> Notice:  Canada is closing were moving to Europe and we are taking Alaska with us and leaving you Quebec
[04:05] <jdub> xf_: been in and out a lot, haven't even got to all of those yet, let alone email :)
[04:06] <jdub> xf_: oh, but i did see your mail
[04:06] <xf_> ok, no problems, please do when you get time
[04:06] <avdd> jdub: so does ubuntu want to support 2-year-old VAIOs?
[04:06] <LinuxJones> mmm
[04:06] <jdub> avdd: sure!
[04:06] <avdd> my VAIO couldn't even *read* the live CD ;-)
[04:06] <avdd> i haven't tried the install CD yet
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> VAIO sucks
[04:07] <avdd> nomasteryoda: I hear you brother
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> install doesn/t work either
[04:07] <usual> bah
[04:07] <gen> sony sucks
[04:07] <thu> the light vaios are kinda neat
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> even can't boot from foppy with it
[04:07] <jdub> avdd: we do have it running on a number of models
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> nice, but crap for such as we need
[04:07] <jdub> avdd: but i hear the earlier ones are pretty scary
[04:07] <xf_> jdub: i just want to touch base with you what you're thinking of for lca
[04:08] <jdub> xf_: hopefully you will see and hear me over the wire once i'm in spain :)
[04:08] <avdd> firewire DVD/CD was a bad idea IMO
[04:08] <xf_> happyt hat we're evidently going to be using fluendo, though
[04:08] <jdub> xf_: matar is a test case for lca
[04:08] <xf_> nod.  i'd love to hear of your experiences with it
[04:08] <jdub> it's pretty rad
[04:08] <xf_> indeed
[04:08] <jdub> i was streaming from my shitty dsl last week
[04:08] <jdub> going to have the fluendo guys to work with while in spain, so should be good prep
[04:08] <xf_> nice. sounds good
[04:09] <jdub> xf_: i have roughly zero plans for post-conference dvdisation
[04:09] <xf_> there's some possible annodex stuff being readied for the final content, btw
[04:09] <xf_> imagine being able to see slides while watching a video, and being able to skip to sections
[04:09] <xf_> et al
[04:09] <jdub> xf_: basically, i want to save the stream, and get it annodexed, but i haven't been thinking about that bit much
[04:09] <jdub> good, good
[04:09] <jdub> haha
[04:09] <xf_> ok, well, this can work out, we're both attacking this from different angles
[04:09] <xf_> when you get a chance, we should talk
[04:09] <jdub> i've been hammering k and sylvia about dexing it :)
[04:09] <xf_> heh, same :p
[04:09] <jdub> awesome
[04:10] <jdub> APPLE: JUST SAY NO!
[04:10] <jdub> :-)
[04:10] <xf_> it'll be nice working with somebody on this
[04:10] <xf_> my emails to the lca list about this have has little to no responses
[04:10] <jdub> you know our ppc cds are specially sharpened?
[04:10] <jdub> yeah, same
[04:10] <xf_> i'm not sure because it's either because i'm too verbose, or nobody cares
[04:10] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1101881019
[04:10] <jdub> i don't think they want the responsibility
[04:10] <xf_> no, they don't, which is fine, but they haven't communicated what they want
[04:11] <jdub> so i've tried to organise things so they don't have to worry at all
[04:11] <xf_> i tried to do that last year but it wasn't terribly liked
[04:11] <xf_> long story short, streaming didn't end up happening.  this is a way cooler solution anyway, being oss and all
[04:11] <jdub> different team :)
[04:11] <xf_> what codecs are you planning on using for the rtsp stuff?
[04:11] <xf_> ogg (theora/vorbis)?
[04:12] <jdub> yeah
[04:12] <xf_> nice
[04:12] <jdub> possibly speex
[04:12] <xf_> are there mature players for win32/linux/osx?  i guess linux is a given, really
[04:12] <jdub> but we can do multiple streams
[04:12] <jdub> there are plugins for windows things
[04:12] <xf_> ah, interesting
[04:12] <jdub> and real does all the ogg stuff
[04:12] <jdub> on windows too, i'm pretty sure
[04:12] <LinuxJones> jdub,  do you have a min ?
[04:12] <xf_> i haven't hacked at either gstreamer or annodex, but i do know there's annodex support being developed for gstreamer
[04:12] <jdub> LinuxJones: yeah
[04:12] <xf_> considering the annodex guys are writing browser plugins to allow custom players and such, i wonder what possibilities there are
[04:13] <xf_> multiple streams at /once/, maybe
[04:13] <xf_> once can dream, though
[04:13] <jdub> xf_: annodex/gstreamer dude (jan schmidt) is going to work for fluendo, too ;)
[04:13] <xf_> oh, nice
[04:13] <xf_> he's a annodex/gstreamer dude?  didn't even know, he was a cameraman last year
[04:14] <xf_> again, when you get a chance, shoot me an email, work out what's happening
[04:14] <xf_> sounds like we've been doing a lot of each other's research
[04:14] <jdub> yeah
[04:14] <binbrain> whats the big deal with ubuntu?
[04:15] <binbrain> its catching on like crazy
[04:15] <jdub> kinda easy between being in the sydney crowd with the annodex crew and gnome with the fluendo crew :)
[04:15] <jdub> binbrain: it rocks pretty hard )
[04:15] <jdub> :)
[04:15] <nixboy> anyone tell me how i setup the user/password used in gnome to access widows shared drives. I am able to access shared drives directly by using the nautilus "open location". However i cannot do it by just clicking on the found network .
[04:15] <xf_> heh, nod
[04:15] <binbrain> its a modified debian right? why can't the enhancements just be added to debian?
[04:15] <jdub> binbrain: they are, in many cases
[04:15] <xf_> it'll be awesome to see this stuff develop, really
[04:15] <jdub> it's a branch of debian sid with a six-month time-based release process
[04:16] <xf_> i remember quicktime promising this kind of crap years ago, but they never delivered
[04:16] <binbrain> so what diffs ubuntu from debian. just make the changes to debian
[04:16] <jdub> with applicable changes going back to debian, etc.
[04:16] <binbrain> but why do they need to go back
[04:16] <malaclyps> binbrain, difference release process
[04:16] <xf_> oh, by the way
[04:16] <nixboy> anyone can help with ubuntu browsing widows shared folders ?
[04:16] <jdub> binbrain: it's a branch with a predictable release process and community structure
[04:16] <binbrain> why not just add them to ubuntu in the first place
[04:16] <binbrain> ok
[04:16] <binbrain> release process is more structured
[04:16] <xf_> i've started building asterisk deb's for ubuntu, because i've noticed there aren't any in warty
[04:17] <xf_> it's a given i'll maintain some third party apt source, but is there opportunities for community members to become package maintainers?
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: yes, totally
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: see the website
[04:17] <xf_> and of course, the policies to do so, etc (i assume it mirrors closely debians)
[04:17] <xf_> ah, cool, cheers
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: are you basing these on the source in warty or hoary?
[04:17] <xf_> i'm basing it off the sid package, actually, didn't even realise there was source in ubuntu
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: probably best to focus on hoary, so you can get a kickarse asterisk into the release
[04:18] <xf_> ok, cool, will do
[04:18] <jdub> xf_: main+universe+multiverse == main+contrib+non-free :-)
[04:18] <jdub> xf_: source and all
[04:18] <xf_> ah, nice
[04:18] <binbrain> why couldn't the release process be improved with debian?
[04:18] <binbrain> instead of branching debian to have a more structured release cycle
[04:20] <jdub> binbrain: huge project, massive inertia, etc.
[04:20] <jdub> binbrain: ubuntu just has a different focus
[04:21] <thoreauputic> binbrain: the aims are entirely different, and Debian has many architectures to deal with
[04:21] <jdub> binbrain: applying that to debian would damage it somewhat :)
[04:21] <binbrain> im not trying to put ubuntu down. Gnomer's seem to love it
[04:21] <bronson_> Is anybody using Hoary having problems with key repeat?
[04:22] <bronson_> Mine goes fast for about 3/4 of a sec, then slows down again.
[04:22] <bronson_> Makes scrolling a right pain.
[04:22] <binbrain> should I take Debian off of my ibook and put Ubuntu on? :)
[04:22] <nixboy> anyone can help with nautilus browsing shared windows folders. I always get authentication failures. Nautilus never asks which user/passwd to use when it discovers windows network resources.i am able to see the resource by using the open location or even via command line smbclient.
[04:23] <jdub> binbrain: worth trying it
[04:23] <malaclyps> binbrain, there's a live CD version of ubuntu so you can try it out first
[04:23] <malaclyps> binbrain, i think there's a PPC version
[04:25] <jdub> there isn't a livecd for ppc though ;)
[04:26] <binbrain> ohhh
[04:26] <binbrain> no live CD aaa
[04:26] <binbrain> for PPC
[04:26] <eruin> livecd only gets you warty anyway ;>
[04:32] <Rene_S> In Xchat is there a way to sort channels when I do a /list ?
[04:32] <gumpish> why don't you ask in #xchat
[04:34] <Rene_S> I would have known to do that if I could have found the channel in the channel list :)
[04:35] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: right click menu "Window" > "Channel list"
[04:36] <Rene_S> yeah thanks, the problem is the list is messier than my sock drawer after my cat craps in it
[04:37] <tvon|x31> the list window is sortable by channel, users, topic and you can filter by regex
[04:37] <tvon|x31> I dont think your poopy sock drawer can do that
[04:37] <tvon|x31> unless its a really nice poopy sock drawer...like from ikea or something
[04:38] <Rene_S> Pier1
[04:38] <thoreauputic> cat /dev/drawer | grep -i clean sock
[04:38] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:38] <Rene_S> I am gonna steal that for my quit channel message
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: yeah, it's GPL ;)
[04:39] <mroth> I never understood the frequency people use cat with a single file
[04:39] <mroth> do people just not like the < operator?
[04:39] <tvon|x31> and never with multiple files :)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> mroth: you missed the point of tthat cat, I fear ;)
[04:40] <mroth> no i got the joke, but it just reminded me
[04:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:40] <mroth> and i figured i might as well ask while im in a linux channel
[04:40] <Rene_S> oh cool that worked really nicely, thanks for the tip tvon|x31
[04:40] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: np
[04:41] <thoreauputic> I believe there's an award for the most gratuitous use of "cat" :D
[04:41] <mroth> have you ever seen 'dog'?
[04:41] <mroth> someone made a cat replacement named dog and the whatis line is "dog -- better than cat"
[04:41] <nevyn> heh
[04:41] <tvon|x31> ah...geeks
[04:42] <thoreauputic> mroth: hehe... another subject for a Holy War!
[04:42] <nevyn> it supports http.
[04:42] <mroth> yeah, my dog coding in emacs on his VMS system is much better than your cat coding in vi on his unix
[04:42] <Rene_S> If user owns = cat then printf "I need a Dog" ; else Dogs are cool
[04:43] <mroth> i guess we could work perl vs python in there somewhere too
[04:43] <thoreauputic> in man mutt under "bugs" it says " None.  Mutts have fleas, not bugs."
[04:43] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:43] <mroth> haha
[04:43] <Rene_S> thats funny
[04:47] <Rene_S> If I catch my cat typing on this computer again i am deleting his profile
[04:49] <robertj> Is there any documentation about pxe netbooting ubuntu for running purposes, not for installation?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: easy:  dog .profile > /dev/null  ;-)
[04:54] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[04:54] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:58] <nixboy> anyone installed the freenx server in ubuntu ? googling revealed the kalyxo repository is unavailable since it was compromised. any help ?
[05:02] <Rene_S> nixboy try there site the posted new links to repo's
[05:03] <Rene_S> it shows freenx version 0.2.7-1
[05:09] <amathis> where was the nvidia driver howto?
[05:09] <amathis> the documentation search on the website returns nothing
[05:10] <Rene_S> its on the wiki i think
[05:10] <marsjays> i just dist-upgraded to hoary, and now X wont work correctly.. i have a savage DDR something graphics adapter, and i am using the savage driver.
[05:14] <thoreauputic> amathis: try searching for binary driver ( I seem to recall it's something like that)
[05:14] <Rene_S> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[05:14] <Rene_S> try that
[05:14] <amathis> thoreauputic: found it in wiki :)
[05:14] <amathis> I was looking in support - > doc
[05:18] <DaNeon> hi!
[05:19] <DaNeon> hello?
[05:19] <Roshbo> hello
[05:19] <DaNeon> hey people... how can i install win4lin in ubuntu... i have the rpm's :S
[05:20] <wig> anyone familiar with lucent winmodems?
[05:21] <gen> you ask this everyday wig
[05:21] <DaNeon> is there a way to open rpm's in ubuntu?
[05:21] <Rene_S> wig, try www.rogers.com   heh
[05:21] <DaNeon> wig
[05:22] <DaNeon> linmodems.org (i think)
[05:22] <wig> DaNeon, tried it.
[05:22] <wig> gen, lol, i know :-P
[05:22] <gen> all the time you've spent trying to get it work...just buy an external hardware modem
[05:22] <wig> ogra helped me a bit, but he's never on when i am
[05:22] <wig> gen, believe it or not, i STILL have no money. ;)
[05:23] <gen> i believe it
[05:23] <gen> :)
[05:23] <amathis> please don't tell me I shouldn't, but how do you enable 'su'
[05:23] <amathis> instead of sudo
[05:23] <DaNeon> wig, http://www.heby.de/ltmodem
[05:23] <amathis> I have already heard the speel about which is better..
[05:23] <wig> DaNeon, that one too i've tried. i more need help with the techincal stuff of it.
[05:23] <Rene_S> sudo passwd root
[05:23] <DaNeon> ok
[05:23] <Rene_S> then enter a password
[05:24] <amathis> ok
[05:24] <amathis> thanks
[05:24] <Rene_S> then you can su all ya want
[05:24] <wig> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6725
[05:24] <DaNeon> has anyone installed win4lin on ubuntu?
[05:26] <Rene_S> no, but since you have a rpm i would suspect you could download alien and convert it to a deb
[05:27] <Eagle102> Hello Everyone, I want to know is Ubuntu faster then fedora core on boot and usage?
[05:28] <Rene_S> No idea, I just run it
[05:28] <DaNeon> hehehe
[05:29] <mead> It boots faster, but I havent noticed a big difference in regular usage
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> Eagle102: it depends, the answer for this question is MU
[05:30] <subterrific> Eagle102: its a ton faster than core 1
[05:30] <Eagle102> what about core 3
[05:31] <subterrific> no idea, i never made it past core 1. yum and rpm annoyed me too much
[05:31] <mead> apt4rpm makes fedora a decent distro. But connectiva is the company that came up with it.
[05:32] <subterrific> it still isn't as nice as debian imo
[05:32] <mead> I used core3 for awhile, its not bad.  I have only been using ubuntu today so far so I cant really talk about the differences too much.
[05:33] <Eagle102> mead: What do you think of ubuntu?
[05:33] <subterrific> oh, and my core 1 install got screwed when i tried to use yum to upgrade it to core 2
[05:33] <marsjays> anyone got a savage graphics adapter and using x.org?
[05:34] <gen> savage haha
[05:34] <subterrific> apparently they linked rpm to a different version of libdb and it couldn't read the rpm db
[05:34] <mead> I like it so far, its clean and small.  Im not a huge fan of gnome, but im gonna use it for awhile anyway so I can become proficient
[05:34] <nixboy> Rene_S, who is they ?
[05:36] <mead> I like Ubuntu a lot more than I liked Mepis when I tried it earlier.  I want to give a debian based distro a try.  Other than using Knoppix as a rescue disc for fixing other peoples computers, or when i need to be somewhere I only have the option of windows Ive never used debian.
[05:37] <Rene_S> nixboy, umm i lost ya someplace
[05:39] <nixboy> Rene_S, i mentioned i could not find the kalyxo repos. and you answered with a new link .. wich i cannot find for the life of me :-(
[05:39] <Rene_S> www.kalyxo.org
[05:39] <Rene_S> go there
[05:39] <Rene_S> they have 2 listed
[05:39] <nixboy> that is down ! you get redirected to freedesktop
[05:40] <Rene_S> hang on
[05:40] <Rene_S> deb http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/ staging main
[05:40] <Rene_S> deb http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/ experimental main
[05:41] <Rene_S> add those to your source.list
[05:41] <Rene_S> then update your apt-get or synaptic or whatever ya use
[05:42] <nixboy> Rene_S, may i ask how you got those links ?
[05:42] <Rene_S> http://www.kalyxo.org/
[05:42] <Rene_S> like in the last 30 seconds
[05:43] <Rene_S> google still says there down but click on the link it works for me
[05:43] <nixboy> Rene_S, i have been using the links with no www tow !
[05:44] <Rene_S> ah
[05:44] <nixboy> kalyxo.org takes you to freedesktop
[05:44] <Rene_S> I see
[05:44] <nixboy> mea culpa
[05:44] <Rene_S> crap happens
[05:44] <Rene_S> your welcome
[05:44] <Rene_S> watch your mail for my bill
[05:47] <nixboy> Rene_S, you tha man !
[05:48] <nixboy> i finally installed it .. runing to windows to see my ubuntu desktop.
[05:48] <embsupafly> I have a question, when I ran the live CD I was able to see my windows partitions and access them. Now that I have installed Ubuntu alongside my WINXP partition, how do I stay logged into Ubuntu yet access the files on my windows partition
[05:49] <DaNeon> you may need to edit fstab
[05:50] <embsupafly> ok so I can mount the windows partition???, how do I know what parameters to enter for my winxp partition
[05:50] <mead> is it fat32 or ntfs?
[05:50] <embsupafly> NTFS
[05:50] <DaNeon> mead, good point!
[05:51] <embsupafly> is NTFS still experimental
[05:51] <embsupafly> I was able to access it off of the live Ubuntu cCD
[05:51] <DaNeon> read only
[05:51] <mead> ntfs write support is, read should be ok, but im not sure if ubuntu has it in the kernel.  Ive just been using for today so far someone else will have to answer that
[05:52] <embsupafly> ok, so how would i know what parameters to enter into /etc/fstab for the windows partition
[05:53] <Xenguy> I hope this wind0ze oriented question doesn't upset anyone here unduly - but it is with respect to an intended Ubu installation... Is there any reason that I should not use PartitionMagic 6.0 to convert a NTFS partition at work to FAT32 (so that I can read this file system from the Ubu installation I plan to do on a separate partition) ?
[05:54] <Xenguy> just looking for feedback
[05:54] <mead> other than it being easier to set ubuntu to read the ntfs partition in the first place?  Or do you want to be able to write to it as well?
[05:55] <Xenguy> mead: yes I want to be able to have write access to my partitions - but I am concerned that converting to FAT*** may have disadvantages
[05:55] <mead> ahh
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: if you only need read access, no need to change from ntfs
[05:56] <mead> that i couldnt tell you, I havent used windows for years so im not sure about the sideffects of doing that
[05:56] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I see read-only access as crippled honestly
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: ah sorry - slow typing
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: yes, agreed
[05:57] <Xenguy> I assume that FAT** filesystems are in some respects less efficient than NTFS (but I'm not up on the exact details)
[05:57] <linux_galore> hmm
[05:57] <Rene_S> nixboy, no problem just dont ask me how it works hehe
[05:58] <embsupafly> Rene_S: what did you have nixboy install?
[05:58] <linux_galore> aaaah thank god it Saturday
[05:59] <embsupafly> ok, so how would i know what parameters to enter into /etc/fstab for the windows partition
[06:00] <linux_galore> http://www.linux.cu/documentos/RedHat/gsg/s1-q-and-a-windows.htm
[06:01] <linux_galore> naaaw thats crap
[06:01] <linux_galore> sorry
[06:01] <linux_galore> link
[06:02] <embsupafly> go another one linux_galore, also you state it is Saturday, where are you
[06:03] <linux_galore> http://www.collegelinux.org/docs.php?jedi=view&id=1073476562
[06:03] <linux_galore> thats a better link more verbose and easy to read
[06:04] <Rene_S> embsupafly, he need freenx
[06:04] <embsupafly> can someone at least tell me how to find out what partition my windows is on
[06:04] <Rene_S> embsupafly, needed actually
[06:04] <linux_galore> embsupafly: usually windows is on hda1
[06:05] <K-otiK> does anyone know of a imap client that is terminal based for ubuntu?
[06:05] <embsupafly> linux_galore: thanks
[06:06] <embsupafly> Rene_S: what is Freenx, go a URL?
[06:06] <linux_galore> K-otiK: mutt
[06:06] <K-otiK> thanks
[06:07] <embsupafly> linux_galore: not hda1, any way to list all of the partitions
[06:08] <linux_galore> http://www.mutt.org/
[06:08] <linux_galore> embsupafly: ooh  df -Th
[06:08] <mead> is fdisk or cdisk installed in ubuntu?
[06:08] <defendguin> has anyone seen punkass?
[06:09] <linux_galore> embsupafly: but df will only list mounted partitions your after a partition not mounted right........your going to have to use fdisk
[06:10] <embsupafly> what tags/switches with fdisk
[06:10] <lil_anthony> can someone help me i changed my sudoers file trying to allow certain users to mount my network drives without a password prompt but obviously i screwed something up and can nolonger sudo at all when i type sudo i get a parse error on line 22 aka the line i added. i can't open the file to edit it any help would be great
[06:10] <linux_galore> embsupafly:   man fdisk
[06:11] <embsupafly> duh!!!!! Forgot to remember that Linux actually has its documentation built in :-)
[06:12] <linux_galore> embsupafly: fdisk -l
[06:12] <linux_galore> heh heh
[06:15] <SvenG> lil_anthony: which command did you use and how did you use it?  what is the resulting /etc/sudoers file?  can yo reproduce it?  can you become root via sudo?  how about "sudo bash"?
[06:15] <embsupafly> ok, got the windows partition mounted, but i did it as root, i need to do again as my user, but when i try to unmount it so I can remount it, it echos back: device is busy
[06:15] <SuperQ> hey.. anyone know how to adjust hotplug to fix a USB setting?
[06:16] <linux_galore> embsupafly: cd out of the directory that windows is mounted also make sure nothing is open in the windows directory and the umount  /path/to/windows
[06:17] <SuperQ> ubuntu is the only distro that detects my external USB burner as a USB/IDE bridge
[06:17] <lil_anthony> well i accidently edited it using gedit i didn't know you were only to do it visudo
[06:17] <SuperQ> everything else detects the drive attached to the USB/IDE bridge
[06:17] <lil_anthony> well i get a parse error now but i can't find a way to open it up to fix it
[06:17] <linux_galore> SuperQ: it is a USB/IDE bridge if its an external hardisk
[06:18] <SuperQ> linux_galore: it's a USB/IDE box with a Lite-On DVD+-RW drive
[06:18] <Lev> jdub, has ironwolf been on tonight, do you know?
[06:18] <SuperQ> linux_galore: fedora/gentoo detect it as a LITE-ON, but ubuntu's hotplug config thinks it's a USB/IDE bridge
[06:19] <Vigilanty> hey hey...
[06:19] <SuperQ> sup
[06:19] <Vigilanty> I'm finally up and runnin with ubuntu.
[06:19] <wig> anyone familiar with lucent winmodems?
[06:19] <gen> please stop wig :/
[06:19] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: congrats
[06:19] <Vigilanty> yep
[06:19] <embsupafly> after you make a change to /etc/fstab how to you get it to refresh
[06:19] <wig> gen, never know who might be familiar with them
[06:19] <Vigilanty> now i just need a few apps...
[06:19] <gen> err
[06:20] <Vigilanty> i need a dvd and mp3 player, windows media player...
[06:20] <Vigilanty> cd burner
[06:20] <SuperQ> linux_galore: any ideas
[06:21] <lil_anthony> SvenG: any idea?
[06:21] <Vigilanty> any links where I can find compiled apps for this os?
[06:22] <linux_galore> SuperQ: sure ubuntu hasnt mounted the device already
[06:22] <SuperQ> linux_galore: no.. it's a CD Burner, with no disks in it
[06:22] <SuperQ> linux_galore: i don't know enough about hotplug to fix it
[06:22] <Vigilanty> what dvd player should I use with ubuntu?
[06:22] <SuperQ> linux_galore: and i'm too drunk to read the docs right now
[06:23] <linux_galore> SuperQ: so have you tried puting a CD/DVD in the device and seeing if ubuntu mounts it
[06:23] <|^JaMeS^|> drinking and linux-ing don't mix
[06:23] <SuperQ> i konw
[06:23] <SuperQ> but i'm here
[06:23] <Vigilanty> lol
[06:23] <embsupafly> refresh after a change to /etc/fstab??? any ideas
[06:24] <linux_galore> SuperQ:   dmesg -c before you put the cd in then type  dmesg  after you have put a cd in the drive
[06:24] <SuperQ> linux_galore: well.. since it doesn't detect it as a CD drive
[06:24] <SuperQ> linux_galore: i won't be able to burn disks
[06:24] <linux_galore> SuperQ: how do you know...ubuntu might not do anything unless there is media there
[06:25] <Vigilanty> what's a good dvd player for ubuntu?
[06:25] <SuperQ> linux_galore: right.. but if it's blank media
[06:25] <gen> mplayer
[06:25] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: player app?
[06:25] <linux_galore> SuperQ: should still mount
[06:25] <Vigilanty> yes
[06:25] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: mplayer should work if you folow the wiki instructions to get decess libs
[06:25] <Vigilanty> or plugin...
[06:25] <linux_galore> I use mplayer or Theodora
[06:25] <Vigilanty> unh hunh
[06:25] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: you need to get some not-so-leagal plugins for it
[06:26] <Vigilanty> ok
[06:26] <Vigilanty> from where?
[06:26] <SuperQ> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:26] <SuperQ> read that wiki page
[06:26] <Vigilanty> k
[06:26] <gen> you get to compile it yourself, hooray
[06:26] <SuperQ> anyway
[06:26] <SuperQ> *sigh*
[06:26] <SuperQ> this hotplug problem is anoying
[06:27] <linux_galore> could always buy powerdvd for Linux then be 100% legal
[06:27] <gen> powerdvd haha
[06:27] <gen> superq, what hotplug problem
[06:27] <nevyn> linux_galore: problem is that it isn't good.
[06:28] <SuperQ> gen: detecting an external burner as a USB/IDE bridge
[06:28] <Rene_S> Quick solution to Hotplug problems:  Pour Cold water on it, that should cool it off
[06:28] <oak> totem-xine package i have found also works very nicely
[06:29] <SuperQ> hrm
[06:29] <linux_galore> nevyn: aaah Ive never had to use it
[06:30] <nevyn> linux_galore: mplayer is significantly better at output and supports all the crazy stuff. like MGA_vid
[06:30] <linux_galore> nevyn: tell me about it I use mplayer for everything
[06:31] <Vigilanty> how do i download and install those packages?
[06:31] <Rene_S> Oh common now , my Hotplug solution was great.  Not even a little chuckle
[06:32] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: you need to use synaptic package manager
[06:32] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: under computer, system config
[06:34] <Vigilanty> yeah, then?
[06:37] <lil_anthony> dang how in the heck do you login as root with ubuntu? i screwed up my sudoers file and when i do ctrl alt f1 and type root and enter the password that i have used for sudo ever since i have used this system doesn't appear to work
[06:37] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: DOH!
[06:37] <tvon|x31> there is no root login with ubuntu
[06:37] <tvon|x31> unless you gave root a password
[06:38] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: ubuntu disables root account by default
[06:38] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: sudo is the only way
[06:38] <lil_anthony> i can't sudo
[06:38] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: you will have to boot from CD and recover the sudoers file
[06:38] <embsupafly> unless you set a root password
[06:38] <SuperQ> embsupafly: right.
[06:38] <tvon|x31> boot to single user mode
[06:38] <nevyn> lil_anthony: you can't sudo?
[06:38] <Rene_S> Root is so overrated, I use a John account
[06:38] <tvon|x31> append "single" to the grub prompt
[06:38] <lil_anthony> right i can't sudo
[06:39] <lil_anthony> ok so put the cd in and what i'm only like 3 weeks old to linux sorry :(
[06:39] <tvon|x31> hit 'e' at the grub prompt, append 'single' to the kernel options
[06:39] <SuperQ> hey
[06:39] <nevyn> lil_anthony: what happens when you can't sudo?
[06:39] <SuperQ> what happens when you boot single user with ubuntu
[06:40] <SuperQ> does it ask for root?
[06:40] <lil_anthony> i get a parse error
[06:40] <nevyn> parse error?
[06:40] <lil_anthony> i got 5 people asking me different questions haha
[06:40] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: try rebooting with single user mode
[06:40] <lil_anthony> i can't keep up
[06:40] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: when you get to grub
[06:40] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: hit e for edit
[06:40] <lil_anthony> ok so i reboot
[06:40] <Rene_S> here anthony how many marbles fit into a jam jar. question 6
[06:40] <SuperQ> oh
[06:40] <wig> can you downgrade to kernel 2.4.22 on ubuntu?
[06:40] <SuperQ> no
[06:40] <lil_anthony> and when it says hit enter
[06:40] <SuperQ> sorry.. you want recovery mode
[06:41] <SuperQ> duh
[06:41] <nevyn> SuperQ: it'd be nice to know how sudo is failing before going to that extent.
[06:41] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: when you boot the PC, select recovery mode
[06:41] <nevyn> SuperQ: it's possible that pebkac
[06:41] <wig> can you downgrade ubuntu to 2.4.22?
[06:41] <SuperQ> nevyn: yea
[06:41] <SuperQ> wig: no
[06:42] <SuperQ> wig: ubuntu relies on udev, which is a 2.6 kernel thing
[06:42] <linux_galore> nevyn: you mean pebkam
[06:42] <wig> ok
[06:42] <linux_galore> hmm nope your right
[06:42] <nevyn> no.. pebkac
[06:42] <SuperQ> haha
[06:43] <nevyn> lil_anthony: so what happens when you type "sudo ls"
[06:43] <lil_anthony> anything with sudo i get the parse error
[06:43] <nevyn> linux_galore: keyboard and monitor are bits of the computer.
[06:43] <nevyn> what exactly is the error?
[06:43] <linux_galore> nevyn: actually looked it up on wtf and it said pebkac
[06:44] <nevyn> lil_anthony: did you edit /etc/sudoers ?
[06:44] <linux_galore> entry was added to wtf in 1998
[06:44] <lil_anthony> umm yes i did
[06:44] <nevyn> did you use visudo ?
[06:45] <kev_> Hey all
[06:45] <kev_> How do I specify a aplication to use OSS or alsa
[06:45] <kev_> OSS has pcm 1 and 2
[06:45] <kev_> and i need that becuase i need to have two applications running at the sametime
[06:45] <linux_galore> hmm
[06:45] <nevyn> lil_anthony: ?
[06:46] <nevyn> the parse error is that your sudoers is borked you'll need to reboot as SuperQ suggested unless you set a root password.
[06:46] <SuperQ> yep
[06:46] <SmokingFire> how do you delete a directory? rm -d <directory> doesn't work.
[06:46] <tvon|x31> rmdir
[06:47] <SmokingFire> ooh thanks
[06:47] <tvon|x31> You're quite welcome
[06:47] <SmokingFire> Were can I find Hoary Hog?
[06:47] <SmokingFire> I can't find it on the site.
[06:47] <tvon|x31> its not released yet
[06:47] <SmokingFire> And I want the iso not to update sources.list
[06:47] <tvon|x31> and its highly unstable
[06:47] <tvon|x31> volatile even
[06:47] <tomy> hi
[06:47] <tvon|x31> *dangerous*
[06:48] <SmokingFire> tvon|x31: I want to give a try anyway.
[06:48] <tvon|x31> "split town owing you $20" kinda dangerous
[06:48] <tvon|x31> even if it costs you $20?
[06:49] <kev_> Anyone here give me a hand on how you specify if you use alsa or oss?
[06:49] <tvon|x31> ISO's are somewhere on the site, I don't konw where exactly.  Check the ubuntu developers mailing list archives for links
[06:49] <SmokingFire> tvon|x31: ok will do
[06:51] <SmokingFire> ok I found it. It's here: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[06:52] <tvon|x31> there ya go
[06:52] <Rene_S> I have the Hog. its penned up in my living room, 50 bucks and I can let ya look at him.
[06:52] <kev_> hrm
[06:52] <kev_> Anyone here help me getting two applications to use my sound card?
[06:53] <Vigilanty> i still can't get libdvdcss2
[06:53] <Vigilanty> help plz...
[06:54] <Rene_S> Did you try the instructions on the Ubuntu Wiki page ?
[06:54] <oak> did you add the repository to synaptic
[06:54] <Vigilanty> it didnt tell me how
[06:54] <oak> (or to sources.list)
[06:54] <Vigilanty> dunno how to add repository to it...
[06:55] <Rene_S> Open synaptic
[06:55] <oak> settings...repositories
[06:55] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: you wont find it on an official server your going to have to look on  www.google.com/linux for an unofficial debian server
[06:55] <Vigilanty> ok...
[06:56] <kev_> huh
[06:56] <kev_> this sucks :/
[06:56] <oak> when you add the repository
[06:56] <oak> put ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ for uri
[06:56] <oak> testing for distribution
[06:56] <oak> and main for section
[06:57] <oak> click reload
[06:57] <Rene_S> What sucks ?
[06:57] <kev_> I cannot get two programs to use one sound card
[06:57] <Rene_S> What 2 apps you having problems with Kev
[06:58] <kev_> teamspeak and quake3
[06:58] <tvon|x31> :q
[06:58] <kev_> i have even tried differnet sound cards
[06:58] <kev_> no help
[06:58] <Rene_S> Oh, I dont use either one of them.  Sorry
[06:58] <awtcmc> can anyone help with everest qdictionary?
[06:58] <kev_> In OSS under the voulme control there is PCM 1 and 2
[06:58] <Vigilanty> done
[06:58] <kev_> how do i specify something ot use OSS
[06:58] <Vigilanty> now what oak?
[06:59] <linux_galore> yuk@ OSS
[06:59] <oak> search for libdvd and install
[07:00] <kev_> under /dev/ i only have dsp not a dsp2
[07:01] <Rene_S> Who is peer ? and why is he resetting connections anyway ?
[07:02] <Vigilanty> all it did was found packages i already installed...
[07:02] <Vigilanty> so, this thing should play dvd's now?
[07:02] <oak> oh, have you downloaded a media player?
[07:03] <Vigilanty> i already have totem
[07:03] <oak> i found that the package totem-gnome does not work as well as totem-xine
[07:03] <Vigilanty> ok
[07:04] <Vigilanty> i didn't find totem-xine...
[07:04] <oak> you have to enable the universe repositories
[07:04] <arun--> how does fedora core 3 fonts look nice and sharp
[07:04] <Vigilanty> hunh?
[07:04] <oak> just click the greyed checkboxes in synaptic
[07:04] <oak> (in the settings...repositories)
[07:05] <oak> and then reload
[07:05] <awtcmc> can anyone help with everest qdictionary?
[07:05] <Rene_S> arun--, no idea, I always thought they looked the same as everyone elses
[07:06] <kev_> do you just change your stable to unstable in source.list and dist upgrade?
[07:06] <Vigilanty> still didn't find it.
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> kev_ no you change from warty to hoary
[07:06] <kev_> ok
[07:06] <kev_> thanks
[07:06] <oak> hmm
[07:06] <kev_> i guess ill try that for my sound
[07:06] <kev_> i dont get it
[07:06] <kev_> :/
[07:07] <Vigilanty> all i found was totem-gsreamer...
[07:07] <Vigilanty> and it's been installed.
[07:07] <Rene_S> Another Canadian who believed the Rogers commercials
[07:08] <Vigilanty> now what to do?
[07:08] <linux_galore> working with audio on Linux --> http://applications.linux.com/applications/04/10/28/2229232.shtml?tid=39&tid=49&tid=47
[07:08] <oak> does http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ appear in your repository list?
[07:10] <britt_radiofree> is spell checking working in oo.o for everyone (in latest hoary)?
[07:11] <Vigilanty> yes it does.
[07:11] <Vigilanty> several times.
[07:11] <oak> is the "universe" section enabled?
[07:11] <Rene_S> britt_radiofree, yes it works for me
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <linux_galore> yeah spell checking works fine
[07:12] <Rene_S> omniverse, multiple linear extsitences
[07:12] <Vigilanty> what universe section?
[07:13] <britt_radiofree> seems gtkspell in general is not working ... I just switched my locale to es so maybe that has something to do with it?
[07:13] <oak> is everything "enabled" in that list of repositories?
[07:13] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree hoary? utf-8?
[07:13] <Rene_S> Probably have to download the language
[07:13] <Vigilanty> yes
[07:13] <oak> if it is have you clicked the "reload" button
[07:13] <Vigilanty> oh
[07:13] <Vigilanty> did now
[07:14] <oak> now search for totem-xine and install
[07:14] <oak> it will ask you to replace totem-gstreamer
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> cheer up Rene_S ignore is mandatory in here :P
[07:15] <Rene_S> Well I am an attention seeker I demand my 15 minutes of fame
[07:15] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, yes, hoary ... but ISO-8859-1, which was what was being used for en before
[07:15] <Vigilanty> ok...
[07:15] <Vigilanty> workin...
[07:15] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree and you didn't switch to utf-8 at all?
[07:15] <britt_radiofree> Rene_S, well I'm primarily interested in it checking english
[07:15] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, no, not that I'm aware of
[07:16] <Vigilanty> it had to remove ubuntu-desktop as well...
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree you could try ispell? (whatever you do don't switch to utf-8.. and yeah devs you may strangle me)
[07:16] <Rene_S> es what language is that ?
[07:16] <britt_radiofree> Rene_S, spanish
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> Spanish
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> Espania
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> something
[07:17] <oak> that is fine, i believe ubuntu-desktop just defines what packages come pre-installed or soemthing
[07:17] <Rene_S> Hola
[07:17] <Vigilanty> yes.
[07:17] <Vigilanty> it works.
[07:17] <GotD0t> ahh
[07:17] <Vigilanty> now...
[07:17] <GotD0t> i burned myself
[07:17] <Vigilanty> other apps...
[07:17] <Rene_S> Does it hurt ?
[07:17] <Vigilanty> is there a winamp for ubuntu?
[07:17] <GotD0t> Rene_S: just a bit... its on my middle fingers knuckle on my right hand
[07:17] <GotD0t> Vigilanty: you can get xmms which is a clone of winamp
[07:18] <Vigilanty> ok
[07:18] <GotD0t> Rene_S: i got a bit over zealous with my soldering iron
[07:18] <Vigilanty> it'll play mp3s, and wma's?
[07:18] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, don't most apps hardcode which spell lib they use?
[07:18] <Rene_S> Well come back when you cover 51 percent of your body, until then its only a scratch
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree no..
[07:18] <Rene_S> :)
[07:18] <britt_radiofree> Vigilanty, yes, another winamp style player is beep, which is more actively developed, but buggier
[07:19] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[07:19] <GotD0t> britt_radiofree: buggier than xmms? i wouldn't want to see that, considering xmms crashes every few hours
[07:19] <Vigilanty> i will investigate more on this a little later...
[07:19] <Rene_S> Its all fun and games until someone looses an eye, then it becomes a sport.
[07:19] <oak> rhythmbox works rather well
[07:19] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, I know Tomboy does ...
[07:19] <britt_radiofree> GotD0t, buggier from my experience anyway
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree don't know anything about Tomboy.. but I use ispell myself.. works fab
[07:20] <GotD0t> Rene_S: you haven't lived until you've tried to solder the wire-mesh inside of a coax onto another wire...
[07:20] <Rene_S> Nope cant say i have ever gotten that geeky
[07:20] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:20] <GotD0t> Rene_S: its such a pain, because its such low quality metal...
[07:21] <nevyn> it tends to just burn.
[07:21] <GotD0t> exactly
[07:21] <GotD0t> maybe i shouldn't tell you what i was doing with the coax then
[07:21] <nevyn> soldering wire to braid is un-fun
[07:21] <nevyn> I use it for 802.11b over 5km ;)
[07:21] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, is there a systemwide change?
[07:21] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, or is configured within each app?
[07:22] <GotD0t> nevyn: well i was originally trying to do that with a friend... but we realized its impossible considering down here is all flat and we can't get anywheres close to LOS
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree yeah I think so.. just go into preferences
[07:22] <nevyn> GotD0t: distance?
[07:22] <GotD0t> nevyn: im making myself a home-made j-pole antenna for the 2 meter amateur band
[07:23] <GotD0t> nevyn: at least 5 miles
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/12866549/
[07:23] <nevyn> you might get 5miles with decent masts' at each end and ... nah your freznel zone is gonna be stuffed...
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> ah fark
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> wrong window
[07:24] <GotD0t> nevyn: not gonna happen... we'd have to go over 200 feet to get past the tree clearance
[07:24] <nevyn> ah.. damn that vertical water.
[07:24] <GotD0t> nevyn: and at that point you need to register with the FAA and the FCC and you wouldn't even get that far because of strict zoning laws in our areas
[07:25] <GotD0t> darnit... i forgot the silicon sealant
[07:25] <GotD0t> err
[07:25] <GotD0t> silicone*
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> hypia hypia where art thou
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> seems like everybody is on their way to viva Spain
[07:30] <Vigilanty> now, i works, but i can't interact with the dvd menu...
[07:31] <oak> strange
[07:32] <Vigilanty> u know how to fix that?
[07:33] <oak> nope
[07:33] <Vigilanty> nevermind...
[07:33] <Vigilanty> it works.
[07:34] <GotD0t> AHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! it broke, again
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> what now
[07:36] <GotD0t> the solder joint... hehe
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> soldering a board?
[07:40] <GotD0t> no... the wire-braid inside a coax cable (which is a super thin, low quality metal) to another wire
[07:41] <GotD0t> the braid tends to burn... so not only is it hard to get a connection, once you do its hard to keep it, and if you manage that then chances are its not a very good connection as theres lots of ash from when parts of it melted
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> hope you are not using lead
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> will make you sickish
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> hate soldering with lead myself
[07:42] <GotD0t> dont have the money for the silver stuff ;-)
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> well you better start saving up for your funeral then :)
[07:43] <wig> could i downgrade the kernel to 2.6.2?
[07:43] <GotD0t> ill be fine... i don't solder much anyways
[07:43] <linux_galore> soldering with lead is fine
[07:43] <GotD0t> once every few months
[07:43] <britt_radiofree_> ok, got gtkspell/lang stuff figured out :)
[07:44] <linux_galore> no soldering iron I know of gets hot enough to make lead dangerous to your health
[07:44] <linux_galore> the flux though is another story
[07:44] <britt_radiofree> .
[07:45] <linux_galore> best you can do is either use a certified solder reel with safe flux; lower your soldering iron temp or use an extractor
[07:46] <wig> can i downgrade ubuntu kernel to 2.6.2 or 2.6.3?
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore : soldering with lead is fine <--- serious doubts about that
[07:46] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: lead isnt toxic unless you over heat it
[07:47] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: or eat it
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore or sniff it?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> :P
[07:47] <JDahl> how much soldering are guys doing?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> JDahl I am a girl and I solder
[07:47] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: well sniffing comes with over heating.....a good soldering iron wont over heat the lead
[07:47] <britt_radiofree> wig, I don't see images for those in the repos, so you'll probably have to compile by hand
[07:47] <JDahl> for home-use who cares?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> but you were not asking me I guess since you asked 'guys'
[07:47] <wig> britt_radiofree, no big, but it's okay to do that?
[07:47] <britt_radiofree> wig, yes, perfectly fine
[07:48] <wig> britt_radiofree, get it from kernel.org, correct?
[07:48] <linux_galore> solder wire that is
[07:48] <linux_galore> when Im busy
[07:48] <britt_radiofree> wig, yes ... there are some good articles on kerneltrap.org on how to go about it as well
[07:48] <wig> britt_radiofree, awesome, thank you
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> JDahl I like to solder when it is friday night and I got no date (that means every friday night)
[07:49] <linux_galore> lol
[07:49] <GotD0t> oh man... if thats the case then you should try soldering the braid from coax cables... they're super entertaining
[07:49] <linux_galore> hatews it when you have a rush job and the heater on the soldering iron fries
[07:50] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, everyone should have a hobby - soldering is as good as any, I guess ;)
[07:50] <GotD0t> or i guess oh girl is the right word Tsjoklat
[07:50] <GotD0t> JDahl: im just doing it to make myself an antenna
[07:50] <GotD0t> JDahl: for my new hobby
[07:50] <JDahl> GotD0t, what kind of antenna?
[07:51] <GotD0t> JDahl: J-Pole, tuned for the 2 meter band
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> JDahl beats the shit out of knitting that's for sure
[07:51] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, I wouldnt know
[07:51] <linux_galore> my mum taught me knitting.......made a hat and thats was it lol
[07:51] <GotD0t> haha
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> <--- doesn't do 'girlie' hobbies
[07:52] <GotD0t> JDahl: HAM radio if you didn't catch that
[07:52] <JDahl> GotD0t, I was about to ask you that...
[07:52] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: actually knitting is big with males....world record holder for knitting is a GUY
[07:52] <SuperQ> yep
[07:52] <SuperQ> i used to knit a bit
[07:53] <SuperQ> forgot all of it tho
[07:53] <JDahl> linux_galore, so that's what you're doing with 4m soldering wire a day?
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore I wonder about his sanity....
[07:53] <linux_galore> heh heh
[07:54] <linux_galore> JDahl: no I use all that solder to reinforce my roof to block all those Gov satellites trying to spy on me
[07:54] <wig> quick question, instead of using /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.preload what do i use?
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore that bloke.. the knitter.. close friend of yours? :P
[07:54] <JDahl> I remember riding the train with a young pimple-faced dungeons and dragons freaks once - he was making his own ringmail tunic with soldering wire
[07:55] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: nope lol
[07:55] <GotD0t> JDahl: uhh... wouldn't that break if you moved?
[07:55] <wig> anyone know?
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> JDahl that geezer must have been related to the knitter
[07:55] <linux_galore> I got bored one day at work and started making spiders and insects out of old parts laying around the shop
[07:56] <JDahl> GotD0t, you would think so... but I didnt have it in me to break his heart
[07:56] <melazybo3> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg yet?
[07:56] <linux_galore> my desk looked like some weird scene from a crappy French anime movie
[07:56] <GotD0t> JDahl: haha... just go at him with a butane soddering iron... he'd run in fear
[07:56] <GotD0t> ahh
[07:56] <GotD0t> i hate that L
[07:57] <GotD0t> from now on im going to use two d's in that word... because the L is just ridiculous
[07:57] <linux_galore> cant be worse than fat guys making Tron skin tight suites with glowing neon tape
[07:58] <GotD0t> true
[07:58] <linux_galore> if I ever wear a something like that shoot me
[07:58] <GotD0t> gladly
[07:58] <linux_galore> wont be hard to miss....lol...
[07:58] <linux_galore> even in the dark
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore warn us
[07:59] <GotD0t> ok well this braid-wire joint is a mess... its very clumpy... but hey, nobodys perfect... im gonna push it under my bed so i dont accidently break the joint while i wait to get to radioshack to get some silicone rubber sealant tomorrow
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> radiohole...
[08:00] <GotD0t> true... but theres nothing else round here that sells this kinda stuff
[08:00] <linux_galore> although some geeks have cool hobbies like that guy who keeps building high powered weapons ....ie gauss gun and rail gun made from spare parts
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> "What is your phone number? What is your zipcode? Why do you need this part?"
[08:00] <GotD0t> this will be the 3rd trip in two days there
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> get in online :)
[08:01] <GotD0t> if course the second trip yesterday was because the first shack didn't have one of the parts i needed
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> in: it
[08:01] <GotD0t> nah... takes too long
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> <-- hasn't been in a store for four years
[08:01] <linux_galore> I made a Cola Can Mortar when I was 14....... great fun shooting cola cans across the back paddock
[08:02] <JDahl> linux_galore, I beat you play a mean banjo
[08:02] <JDahl> bet
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:02] <linux_galore> although dad had a nice story trying to find the missing spark plug from his car I used an an initiator in the mortar
[08:02] <malaclyps> odd
[08:03] <malaclyps> i can't seem to pin hoary and warty
[08:03] <GotD0t> well... i am half way through making a HAM radio antenna out of video coax (which is actually too high of a resistance, so i might end up making an amp to compensate), a BNC connector, and 300-ohm twin-lead tv wire
[08:04] <GotD0t> thats pretty darned geeky
[08:04] <linux_galore> GotD0t: anything to do with radio waves is a sign of the regressive geek gene
[08:04] <GotD0t> linux_galore: and the funny thing is i don't even have my HAM license yet
[08:05] <JackandJohn> ok, this totem movie player is making me crazy.. I have the universe, contrib, multiverse and restricted sources added.. what do I need to install for divx, mpeg2, and mp3 support?
[08:05] <linux_galore> GotD0t: well CB now has a HF bandwidth and its not hard to build a 100W amp
[08:05] <GotD0t> linux_galore: bah... CB
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> night all
[08:06] <GotD0t> linux_galore: im taking the test on wed for the license anyways
[08:06] <Rene_S> A Cola Can Mortar. wtf a room of Ted Kazinski wanna bee's on tonight
[08:06] <GotD0t> Rene_S: not me ;-)
[08:06] <linux_galore> GotD0t: I was going to do my Ham test then the Internet clicked in
[08:07] <Rene_S> Man the internet is a dangerous place for young minds
[08:07] <Rene_S> what happened to sticking fire crackers up a frogs butt ?
[08:07] <JDahl> or your own for that sake
[08:08] <linux_galore> Rene_S: I did it for my physics class......it was an experiment on velocity and the effects of gravity
[08:08] <Rene_S> Well you go your way Jdahl i will stick to the frogs
[08:08] <Rene_S> ah i see
[08:08] <Rene_S> I made a volcano for my science class
[08:08] <linux_galore> Rene_S: I was going to build a home brew two stage rocket but dad went with the mortar
[08:09] <linux_galore> heh heh
[08:09] <Vigilanty> why will totem play some of my dvd movies, but not all of em?
[08:09] <Rene_S> It was cool, a pipe bomb is only one step or 2 different
[08:09] <linux_galore> Rene_S: I looked at that but everyone has done that one..i wanted something exiting
[08:10] <gen> vigilanty, use mplayer
[08:10] <Rene_S> My next year  I made a small generator with 2 styrofoam cups a dowel 2 tin cans and strips of black garbage cans
[08:10] <Vigilanty> mplayer as in music player?
[08:10] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: some have dcss restrictions also beware some dvd players dont play dvd-r +/- cd's
[08:11] <Rene_S> bags rather
[08:11] <linux_galore> DVD's sorry
[08:11] <Vigilanty> these are store bought dvd's
[08:11] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: yeah the CD's have DRM on them
[08:11] <Vigilanty> and I know about + and - formats...
[08:11] <linux_galore> DVD's oops
[08:11] <gen> why people listen, i have no idea.
[08:12] <gen> don't
[08:12] <Vigilanty> it's prbably the dcss restriction...
[08:12] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: need a player that is setup for libdcss
[08:12] <Vigilanty> i set totem up for it...
[08:12] <linux_galore> xine or mplayer work although ogle is the easiest
[08:13] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: totem wont play my dcss stuff
[08:13] <Vigilanty> o
[08:14] <JackandJohn> can mplayer be configured to access the keyring stuff?
[08:14] <Vigilanty> well, I can't even find libdcss using synaptic
[08:14] <linux_galore> ?? keyring
[08:14] <Vigilanty> is mplayer the music player?
[08:14] <JackandJohn> the gnome password repository.. it has my ftp stuff in it
[08:14] <Vigilanty> or somethin totaly diff?
[08:14] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: wont be unless you add an unofficial server
[08:15] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[08:15] <JackandJohn> mplayer - totally different
[08:15] <Vigilanty> ok
[08:15] <Vigilanty> well I need an unofficial server of ogle and libdcss
[08:15] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: I usually look one up on google.com/linux
[08:16] <Vigilanty> just search for "servers of ogle and libdcss"?
[08:16] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: naaw  something like  ftp debian libdcss codecs unofficial
[08:17] <Vigilanty> o
[08:18] <linux_galore> dont forget google is just a search engine it doesnt need true english just key words
[08:19] <Vigilanty> this is all google turned up...
[08:19] <Vigilanty> http://zarb.org/pipermail/plf-discuss/2002-December.txt
[08:19] <linux_galore> mplayer --v|head -1:
[08:19] <linux_galore> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.2 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[08:19] <linux_galore> You added '--' but no filenames presented!
[08:19] <s0cks> I bet ogra is still awake like 'damn, hurry up and go you stupid 9 hours!
[08:19] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: zarb.org one is for Mandrake
[08:20] <Vigilanty> i'm usin ubuntu
[08:20] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: plf people are a mandrake community useless to you
[08:20] <GotD0t> s0cks: 9 hours?
[08:21] <Vigilanty> hunh?
[08:21] <linux_galore> plf Penguin Liberation Foundation
[08:21] <s0cks> gotdot : Whatever it is.
[08:21] <s0cks> gotdot : It is later today...
[08:21] <linux_galore> basically a group of Mandrake hackers pissed they can play stuff
[08:21] <s0cks> Not in spain, but whatever.
[08:21] <linux_galore> so they setup their own server
[08:21] <Vigilanty> why useless to me?
[08:22] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: rpm's
[08:22] <Vigilanty> pre tell...
[08:22] <linux_galore> well Ubuntu is Debian based so uses .deb packages
[08:22] <Vigilanty> ok
[08:23] <Vigilanty> and mandrake uses rpms...
[08:23] <linux_galore> yep
[08:23] <Vigilanty> ok
[08:23] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, this could be a long conversation
[08:23] <linux_galore> lol
[08:23] <Vigilanty> i need to read up more on this os...
[08:24] <Vigilanty> but in the mean time, I'd just like to have a dvd player that plays all dvd's...
[08:24] <AlohaWolf> Vigilanty, Mandrake is good if your new to Linux, Ubuntu will be good for that in a year or two.. if your look at switching, switch to MDK first
[08:24] <Vigilanty> someone else suggested this os.
[08:25] <AlohaWolf> Vigilanty, have you ever used Linux?
[08:25] <Vigilanty> i've tried to
[08:25] <linux_galore> AlohaWolf: naaw all he needs to do is find a unofficial ftp server with .deb packages of libdcss etc
[08:25] <Vigilanty> had redhat 9 on my comp once...
[08:25] <paulproteus> These are mentioned on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[08:25] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, the packages are broken
[08:26] <linux_galore> AlohaWolf: aaah I have a pile of sources files so I just build it all myself
[08:26] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, I should do that :-P
[08:26] <AlohaWolf> but im too lazy, and I dont own any DVD's
[08:27] <melazybo3> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg yet?
[08:28] <Roptaty> Why use libdcss and not libdvdcss?
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> melazybo. check ATi's website
[08:29] <Rene_S> Hmm this Thunderbird rc 1 is kinda nice
[08:29] <Vigilanty> so where should i get the lib codec from?
[08:30] <AlohaWolf> Vigilanty, check out the Ubuntu wiki on the website
[08:30] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: libdvdcss is here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386  didnt you add it before ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:30] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: to synaptic
[08:31] <Rene_S> brb gotta nail the wife into her coffin
[08:31] <Vigilanty> dunno...
[08:31] <Vigilanty> lemme check
[08:32] <linux_galore> hmm Geroge Of the Jungle is on TV
[08:32] <linux_galore> George*
[08:34] <Vigilanty> i couldn't get the index of those 2 repositories...
[08:34] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: well the first link has the package
[08:34] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: index.html file is there ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:35] <linux_galore> anyway Im off
[08:36] <Vigilanty> i just searched again, and can't find libdccs on nerim, or anywhere...
[08:37] <Roptaty> Vigilanty: You might check for libdvdcss instead
[08:38] <Vigilanty> found some stuff...
[08:39] <Vigilanty> found gxine...
[08:39] <Vigilanty> and ogle...
[08:42] <Vigilanty> thanks for everything...
[08:42] <Vigilanty> i'll be back.
[08:43] <Vigilanty> but i gotta go to bed for now.
[08:43] <Vigilanty> gotta be at work in 6 hours
[08:43] <Vigilanty> l8er
[08:44] <Qo-noS_> Roptaty: thinks it's libdvdcss2 instead of libdvdcss  *** 1.2.8-0.0 0
[08:44] <Qo-noS_>         990 ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages
[08:44] <Zaknafein> hello
[08:44] <Roptaty> Qo-noS_: You are right ;)
[08:44] <Zaknafein> anyone knows how to get gd developpement on ubuntu ?
[08:44] <Qo-noS_> Roptaty: ;)
[08:50] <pastyhermit> hey all
[08:50] <pastyhermit> I tried to add the java bin to my $PATH so I edit /etc/profile and it doesnt work, what do I do?
[08:53] <Zaknafein> I tried "sudo aptitude install gdlib-dev" it failed :-)
[08:57] <Eagle101> Hello Everyone, can someone please help me out...i got the ubuntu cd, and when i boot it, i see the ubuntu logo, then i see "loading the vmlinux and things like that" then my screen goes blank and nothing happens...please help
[08:57] <pastyhermit> Eagle101, what kind of computer?
[08:57] <pastyhermit> Eagle101, what kind of video card?
[08:58] <Eagle101> Dell Dimension 8300..ATI RADEON 9800
[08:59] <pastyhermit> ahh
[09:00] <pastyhermit> never worked with one of those
[09:00] <pastyhermit> search the forums for kernel args
[09:00] <pastyhermit> or try ubuntu vga=normal
[09:00] <pastyhermit> when you load
[09:00] <pastyhermit> gotta log out
[09:00] <pastyhermit> bbiab
[09:00] <Eagle101> thanks
[09:01] <Eagle101> can anyone else here help me, please
[09:03] <Eagle101> anyone?
[09:04] <JackandJohn> ok, quick question - I had a game resize my desktop then crash - how do I get out of 1600x1200 virtual to 1600x1200 real? (screen looks like 800x600 max real res)
[09:04] <Eagle101> Does anyone know if i can install ubuntu through network ?
[09:05] <Rattboi> big chan
[09:05] <kremlyn> Hmm.
[09:06] <kremlyn> Havint mega problems installing modules for sound.  The device is: Intel 82801db (ich4) AC'97 Audio Controller
[09:06] <kremlyn> I belive I found the correct module, but loading it does nothing (volume controller doesn't see a device)
[09:06] <Rattboi> are there seriously no mods here?
[09:10] <JackandJohn> apparently no.. it's late
[09:22] <pastyhermit> How do I add my JDK to my PATH
[09:22] <pastyhermit> I tried editing .bashrc and /etc/profile and nothing works in gnome
[09:22] <pastyhermit> I need to run eclipse
[09:27] <domestiko> hi there
[09:27] <gen> pastyhermit
[09:28] <pastyhermit> gen, yeah
[09:28] <pastyhermit> gen, got some suggestions?
[09:28] <gen> edit .bashrc, add export PATH=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2/bin:$PATH
[09:28] <gen> to bottom
[09:28] <gen> except replacing that with your version of java
[09:28] <pastyhermit> gen, I did
[09:29] <gen> and that didn't work?
[09:29] <pastyhermit> it works in a terminal but not in X
[09:29] <gen> what do you mean
[09:29] <pastyhermit> If I load a terminal window I can just type "Java"
[09:29] <pastyhermit> err java
[09:29] <pastyhermit> but if I try and load eclipse though X it says I dont have java in my path
[09:30] <gen> not familiar with eclipse
[09:30] <housetier> you might need to re-login
[09:32] <pastyhermit> housetier, did that
[09:33] <housetier> does ubuntu have "java-package" in the repositories?
[09:33] <|trey|> pastyhermit: take it you have changed your PATH to point at java also?
[09:33] <|trey|> housetier: yes, in multiverse I think...
[09:33] <crimsun> yes, in multiverse
[09:33] <crimsun> V0.14
[09:36] <pastyhermit> |trey|, it points to /usr/local/java/bin
[09:36] <pastyhermit> java is a symlink to j2sdk...
[09:38] <cenerentola> hello |trey|
[09:38] <|trey|> cenerentola: hey  :)
[09:39] <cenerentola> |trey| how are you doing?
[09:39] <|trey|> cenerentola: can't complain  :)
[09:40] <cenerentola> |trey|: did cindy margolis knock at your door ;)?
[09:40] <pastyhermit> |trey|, any other suggestions
[09:40] <pastyhermit> its kind of weird that it doesnt work...
[09:40] <Rattboi> who here is running hoary?
[09:40] <pastyhermit> does gdm read .xession?
[09:40] <|trey|> cenerentola: not that I know of   :o
[09:40] <cenerentola> ratt:me
[09:40] <|trey|> pastyhermit: yes
[09:40] <Rattboi> how's it working?
[09:40] <Rattboi> aka, anything noticably broken?
[09:40] <|trey|> Rattboi: hoary is pretty stable so far...
[09:41] <cenerentola> fine... toshiba m30-154 working
[09:41] <cenerentola> like an angel
[09:41] <crimsun> pastyhermit: if you choose "Default System...", yes.
[09:41] <Rattboi> cool, I'm updating to it at home right now
[09:41] <Rattboi> too bad I'm at work now
[09:41] <pastyhermit> crimsun, ?
[09:41] <crimsun> pastyhermit: I have a sessions menu
[09:41] <Rattboi> I'm wondering about some things I could do to speed up my system a little
[09:41] <Elwood> Rattboi,  i am
[09:41] <Rattboi> since I'm running it on 500mhz PIII
[09:42] <Rattboi> but I really like the Gnome interface, so I don't want to change to xfce4 or something if I don't have to
[09:42] <Rattboi> maybe (probably) there's some daemons running that I don't need, right?
[09:42] <crimsun> it runs ok on a P3/500
[09:43] <Rattboi> I'm still pretty noob
[09:43] <cenerentola> maybe the raid device
[09:43] <Rattboi> but I got most things working for me
[09:43] <crimsun> if you don't use windows networking, you can shut down the samba daemons
[09:43] <Rattboi> crimsun, actually, I do use win networking, but samba's not working for me
[09:43] <Rattboi> at least, not right out of the gate
[09:44] <Rattboi> browsing with nautilus, I can never access any shares
[09:44] <pastyhermit> |trey|, maybe I will put it in there.
[09:44] <Rattboi> crimsun, I know it runs ok on p3/500, I'm running :)
[09:44] <Rattboi> but I just know there's some stuff I won't use, like LVM
[09:45] <cenerentola> rattboi:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto
[09:46] <Rattboi> someone was trying to show me how to load my nvidia module when X started, but it never worked for me so I always just load it on boot
[09:46] <Rattboi> anyone know about that?
[09:46] <wasabi> heh.
[09:46] <cenerentola> /etc/modules
[09:46] <wasabi> I just realized there is apparently not decent interface to play an entire directory of music files.
[09:46] <wasabi> not a single one of the programs provided is appropiate.
[09:47] <Rattboi> cenerentola, that's where I got it now
[09:47] <Rattboi> it works fine
[09:47] <cenerentola> nice then
[09:47] <Rattboi> just wondering why the other way didn't work
[09:47] <cenerentola> hmm.........
[09:47] <|trey|> wasabi: umm, Rhythmbox... mpg123 * works too   :/
[09:47] <crimsun> Rattboi: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-common|grep ^ii
[09:48] <wasabi> trey, rhythmbox makes you go through this library stuff. I just want to play a directory of files. Not by artist, not by album, just an entire recursive directory. mpg123 with a find script would work, but it won't randomize
[09:48] <crimsun> Rattboi: that should have an /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[09:48] <wasabi> actually i think xmms is hte only option
[09:48] <Rattboi> hmm
[09:48] <crimsun> err?
[09:49] <crimsun> wasabi: mpg123 provides -Z | --random
[09:49] <Elwood> how to upgrade just nautilus dependence?
[09:49] <|trey|> wasabi: "skip this step", and load only the directory...  file > import folder
[09:49] <wasabi> trey, already have rb set up
[09:49] <cenerentola> rattboy: what kind of driver are you usint? binaries or...?
[09:49] <Rattboi> cenerentola, yeah
[09:49] <Rattboi> I followed some guide called "Nvidia drivers, the ubuntu way"
[09:49] <cenerentola> did you do "sudo nvidia-glx enable"?
[09:50] <Rattboi> oop, *debian
[09:50] <Rattboi> cenerentola, exactly that, and it didn't work
[09:50] <Rattboi> so that's when I did the "debian way"
[09:50] <Rattboi> of course, I could have screwed it up in multiple places
[09:50] <Rattboi> I wish I had more information, but I'm not sitting in front of it atm
[09:51] <crimsun> Rattboi: make sure the file /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc exists
[09:51] <Rattboi> like I said before, my nvidia module is working, I got it loading at boot in /etc/modules
[09:51] <Rattboi> I was just curious why the other way didn't work, but it's fine
[09:52] <Rattboi> except DVDs won't play
[09:52] <Rattboi> never did though
[09:52] <crimsun> I'm stepping you through troubleshooting why the other way didn't work
[09:52] <Rattboi> I thought it was DMA on the DVD drive
[09:52] <cenerentola> rattboi: what do you mean it didnt work the other way?
[09:52] <crimsun> if you aren't interested, all you have to do is say you're not interested
[09:52] <Rattboi> crimsun, it's not that
[09:52] <cenerentola> rattboi: what was wrong, resolution, the module didnt load, image quality, x didnt work?
[09:52] <Rattboi> I'm interested but unable to do anything atm, since I'm not at the computer with the problem
[09:53] <Rattboi> x wouldn't load
[09:53] <cenerentola> did you look at the log?
[09:53] <Rattboi> man, I should have brought this up when I was at home
[09:53] <Rattboi> I feel like I'm wasting your guys time, since I can't really check things, just using memory
[09:53] <cenerentola> rattboi: man, let's come back on this topic when you're at home..
[09:54] <Rattboi> yeah
[09:54] <cenerentola> rattboi: no probs for me... im just waiting for someone to stab me while sleeping, in mataro...
[09:54] <cenerentola> ;)
[09:54] <Rattboi> mataro?
[09:54] <cenerentola> ubuntu conference
[09:55] <Rattboi> the DVD thing is interesting
[09:55] <Rattboi> I was getting stuttered output with the nv driver
[09:55] <Rattboi> and I'm not sure about sound, since I didn't have speakers
[09:55] <Rattboi> and now that I got the nvidia module running, I get blue screen in totem
[09:55] <cenerentola> i dont know.. sorry...
[09:56] <Rattboi> for any dvd VOB
[09:57] <Rattboi> well, whatever, no big deal
[09:57] <Rattboi> I'll ask again later when I'm there
[09:57] <|trey|> Rattboi: that blue screen = bad codecs...
[09:58] <Rattboi> strange, since only thing that changed was nv -> nvidia
[09:58] <Rattboi> but maybe I'm wrong
[09:58] <Rattboi> possibly I messed with the packages before
[09:58] <|trey|> Rattboi: using totem-gstreamer? totem-xine will work with w32codecs from marillat's repo...
[09:58] <Rattboi> |trey|, I tried xine and it crashed
[09:58] <Rattboi> I think I was using marillat's repo
[09:59] <|trey|> Marillat doesn't offer xine...
[09:59] <|trey|> ffmpeg and w32codecs are the packages of interest there  8)
[10:05] <Rattboi> |trey|, that's what I was talking about
[10:06] <Rattboi> followed the unofficial 4.10 guide on ubuntulinux.org
[10:08] <Rattboi> I'm big into using the newest unstable stuff, too bad I don't have the experience yet to get it all to work
[10:11] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[10:11] <cenerentola> im leaving
[10:11] <cenerentola> ciao
[10:11] <Rattboi> see ya
[10:16] <bigbrother0074> my synaptic says i have the gnome-applets package installed, but how do i run the prgm?  i'm interested in getting weather reports on my desktop among other things
[10:17] <Agrajag> bigbrother0074: right clink the gnome panel, choose add to panel...
[10:18] <bigbrother0074> Agrajag, ahhh, i gotcha.  thanks!
[10:20] <Rattboi> heh
[10:25] <pepsi_> hi
[10:26] <pepsi_> oh wait
[10:26] <Rattboi> wait for what?
[10:27] <pepsi_> i dunno
[10:27] <pepsi_> hi
[10:30] <Rattboi> hi
[10:30] <Rattboi> what up?
[10:31] <pepsi_> i dunno
[10:45] <bigbrother0074> i added the sticky note applet to the gnome panel, and it's prefs let me change the color, but how do i change the font color?  i.e. i want a black bg note w/ white text....
[10:46] <Elwood> anyone with hoary knows about nautilus problems?
[10:55] <fonzarelli> hi. I had downloaded the latest warty-release-install-i386.iso from ubunutulinux.org, but when i try to install it, using ms virtualpc 2004 or booting from a cd on a seperate box, the installer gets stuck at 37%, 'retrieving nic-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di'. any ideas? :)
[10:56] <crimsun> how much RAM is allotted to virtualpc and on the separate box?
[10:57] <fonzarelli> 512mb for both
[10:57] <crimsun> hmm, that's certainly adequate
[10:59] <fonzarelli> yeh. the thought crossed my mind that maybe the .iso was borked somehow, but then it wouldn't have burnt to cd or loaded in vpc if that was the case. I'll try downloading the .iso again, perhaps from the torrent this time.
[11:09] <avilella> hi all
[11:09] <avilella> I have a question about the debian-installer
[11:09] <avilella> I would like to have a screenshot for the different screens that appear during the installation
[11:10] <avilella> and I was wondering if these can be saved and retrieved later
[11:10] <Rattboi> are you making a guide?
[11:10] <calc> someone in #debian-boot could probably help you, but its pretty late in the US
[11:10] <avilella> yes
[11:10] <avilella> in Catalan
[11:10] <Rattboi> how about using VMWare or something like that?
[11:10] <avilella> well, I have the screenshots in English
[11:10] <Rattboi> do an emulated install
[11:10] <avilella> but I would like to have them in Catalan
[11:10] <Rattboi> do an emulated install in Catalan :P
[11:10] <avilella> as I'm more familiar with fedora's anaconda
[11:11] <avilella> where the screenshots are saved in a /var/ directory
[11:11] <Matt|> hi guys. I've had some problems with the nimbus roman font. When converting it to pdf in openoffice it comes out really badly. example is here: http://mdke.mine.nu/images/pdf_problems.png Does anyone have any advice?
[11:11] <avilella> I was wondering if the same can be done with ubuntu
[11:13] <avilella> Rattboi: so I suppose the easiest way would be an emulated install
[11:15] <Rattboi> avilella, I'm not sure if it's the only way, but it's the way I see most commonly
[11:26] <Rattboi> does gnome start?
[11:26] <flz> yeah
[11:27] <Elwood> flz, run from terminal nautilus...
[11:27] <flz> lets me sign using user/pass but then stops very soon after
[11:27] <Rattboi> the signin isn't gnome
[11:27] <Rattboi> that's just GDM
[11:27] <flz> don't know how.... no buttons/ rightclick not working shortcut key?
[11:27] <flz> rattboi - ok
[11:28] <Rattboi> is the mouse cursor an x?
[11:28] <Rattboi> and the background is b/w checkerboard?
[11:28] <flz> arrowhead, and it moves
[11:28] <flz> brown, but no ubuntu word (which i think was still there)
[11:28] <flz> although i may have changed it
[11:29] <Rattboi> usually after you log in, it shows a kinda window in the middle and shows gnome starting
[11:29] <pepsi_> the background color is brown, with a brown image over it
[11:29] <Rattboi> do you get that?
[11:29] <flz> yeah... i get the kinda window with what looks like things loading quickly etc. (old mac style) but yeah after that it all just seems to hang
[11:30] <Rattboi> yeah, old mac style
[11:31] <flz> that's the last time i remember seeing it anyways (but at least i'm trying new things right?)
[11:32] <flz> i only played with it for a few days... i think i might jsut re-install
[11:32] <Rattboi> maybe try removing your settings?
[11:32] <Rattboi> if you're just gonna reinstall anyways
[11:33] <Rattboi> you probably shouldn't listen to me, since I"m kinda noob too, but nobody else is talking...
[11:35] <cenerentola> thats metacity i suppose
[11:36] <cenerentola> flz?
[11:36] <flz> the thing is because i'm totally new to this i don't know how to go about changing anything yet.... the more i play i suppose the easier it will get
[11:36] <cenerentola> gmail : hello
[11:36] <cenerentola> ok can you explain briefly what u did and what happened
[11:37] <Gmail> holla
[11:37] <flz> ok... installed ubuntu.. .no probs.. played with getting mp3/xvid/quictime etc to work
[11:37] <frankps> can somebody point me to a mpeg3 codec package for ubuntu x86-64?
[11:38] <cenerentola> i think there's a page in the wiki that refers to this kind of things
[11:38] <cenerentola> flz: are you with me?
[11:38] <flz> last time i rebooted it let me log on- user / password.... (it even made the noise) started to load gnome (at least i think it was gnome)
[11:38] <flz> yeah typing / reading at same time
[11:39] <flz> then no desktop icons/ no taskbar icons / no mose events doing anything
[11:39] <flz> mose = mouse
[11:39] <cenerentola> i think its the windows manager..
[11:39] <cenerentola> you said the background is plain brown?
[11:40] <flz> yeah
[11:40] <cenerentola> ok then have you tried ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:40] <Matt|> flz, does it work as another user?
[11:41] <cenerentola> or looked at x and gdm logs?
[11:41] <Rattboi> Matt|, good idea
[11:41] <flz> matt - have not tryed.. only me / root
[11:41] <Matt|> flz, doesnt' work either way?
[11:41] <cenerentola> matt|: you cant get in as root
[11:41] <AptivaIBM> I have trouble with my install of Ubuntu.
[11:41] <AptivaIBM> I'm trying to run it on a IBM Aptiva 500MHz, but it will not boot...
[11:42] <flz> cenerentola - i have not tried ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:42] <cenerentola> well... that should restart x
[11:42] <flz> ok
[11:42] <cenerentola> in a not-so-gentle way
[11:42] <Matt|> X is working tho it seems
[11:42] <flz> i'll give it a go next time i logon
[11:42] <flz> i have 2 use windows to browse etc (and only 1 pc atm)
[11:43] <flz> screw it... i'll be back in 10 mins
[11:43] <Matt|> flz, i think you should do as Rattboi suggested; delete your settings
[11:43] <flz> matt- how would i do that?
[11:43] <Matt|> flz, you can remove or move the .gnome and .metacity directories in your home directory
[11:44] <Matt|> *.gnome2
[11:44] <cenerentola> flz: then from a shell try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:44] <Matt|> right i'm gone
[11:44] <Matt|> laters all
[11:44] <cenerentola> flz: did you touch  gnome's settings
[11:44] <flz> cenerentola - maybe... but i don't think so
[11:45] <AptivaIBM> Is there anyone who can help me with a boot problem?
[11:45] <flz> i'll be back in 15
[11:45] <cenerentola> aptiva: what happen
[11:46] <cenerentola> aptivaibm: whats your problem?
[11:47] <AptivaIBM> I tried to install it, and it starts booting, but stops saying nothing.
[11:47] <cenerentola> when?
[11:48] <AptivaIBM> In the very start.
[11:48] <cenerentola> mm.. im sorry i can help you..
[11:48] <cenerentola> does grub show off?
[11:49] <cenerentola> *t
[11:49] <cenerentola> well... im off
[11:49] <cenerentola> see you later
[11:49] <cenerentola> aptivaibm: no luck with me... sorry
[11:49] <AptivaIBM> ok.
[11:50] <AptivaIBM> Anyone who can try to help me with a boot problem?
[11:51] <redhedgehog> Hmmmm... I need help with stack space. I own a Linksys WPC54G, and I keep receiving a kernel panic message. Should I recompile the kernel? If so, how do I go about it?
[11:55] <flz> yay... ubuntu is now offically tempremental  (it just worked that time.... i don't know why)
[12:06] <jono> heya
[12:06] <jono> Kamion: ping
[12:12] <zicobit> hello, how I can mount a pendrive in ubuntu? because /dev/sda don't exists
[12:17] <AptivaIBM> I still have a problem regarding booting.
[12:18] <lifeless> zicobit: well when you plug it in, the kernel should list events in dmesg
[12:18] <lifeless> if it doesn't, then the GUI stuff can't kick in.
[12:18] <lifeless> AptivaIBM: whats the problem ?
[12:19] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: I try to boot Ubuntu on a IBM aptiva, but it will not start booting
[12:20] <lifeless> does it give any output at all? are you booting from the install cd or the live cd ?
[12:21] <Adrenal> are there any digital tv tuners that work with ubuntu?
[12:22] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: I have booted on the install CD, and the install went well. But then I am supposed to reboot the PC without the CD, and it displays only a few lines... before it gives up,
[12:22] <AptivaIBM> ...(and does nothing)
[12:22] <ploum__> Hi
[12:22] <lifeless> ah. what are those lines ?
[12:22] <ploum__> I think Ubuntu dev must take a look at http://www.sukria.net/packages/backup-manager/
[12:23] <JStrike> Adrenal : If they work on linux, they should work on Ubuntu. Look at linuxtv
[12:23] <ploum__> It's a simple backup-manager and with some GUI, it will be really good for Ubuntu users
[12:24] <zicobit> this is the output of dmesg
[12:24] <zicobit> agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[12:24] <zicobit> agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[12:24] <zicobit> agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
[12:24] <zicobit> drivers/usb/media/stv680.c: [stv_init:388]  STV(i): CIF is supported
[12:24] <zicobit> drivers/usb/media/stv680.c: [stv_init:406]  STV(i): Camera has 0 pictures.
[12:24] <zicobit> drivers/usb/media/stv680.c: [stv_init:433]  STV(i): Video Mode set to CIF
[12:24] <zicobit> [drm]  Loading R200 Microcode
[12:24] <Kamion> jonathaN: yo
[12:24] <Kamion> oops
[12:24] <Kamion> oh, jono left
[12:24] <Kamion> jonathaN: sorry
[12:24] <lifeless> zicobit: it looks like its being picked up as a camera, not as a flash drive.
[12:25] <zicobit> lifeless, what I can do?
[12:25] <theine> probably works with gphoto2 I guess?
[12:28] <theine> Is there any gtkam-like apllication in the main repository by the way? I see that libgphoto is in there
[12:28] <lifeless> theine: dunno..
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: Lets see here, the last few lines are: "initrd /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> [Linux-initrd @ 0x12bdb000, 0x405000 bytes]
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> savedefault
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> boot"
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> And there it stops
[12:28] <OZ8AAZ> anyone got ALSAsound to run under kernel 2.6 on a laptop
[12:29] <theine> OZ8AAZL I do
[12:29] <lifeless> AptivaIBM: just to be sure, can you press 'b' there? does shitft/caps  lock still work ?
[12:31] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: I can press 'b',but nothing happens. Caps Lock is working
[12:31] <OZ8AAZ> theine: got a Latitude C840 and it will under NO circumstance work under 2.6 - 2.4 is no problem
[12:32] <theine> OZ8AAZ: I'm quite sure you can get it to work somehow
[12:32] <OZ8AAZ> theine: that involves standard packages? I'm not much for experimenting (got another machine for that! :))
[12:33] <theine> OZ8AAZ: I don't think so -- worked out of the box for me
[12:33] <theine> OZ8AAZ: What exactly doesn't work?
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> theine - good for you! :) but this one needs tweak! :)
[12:34] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Do you get any alsa-specific error messages during boot?
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> under 2.6: no soundcards found
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> ...during boot
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> brb
[12:34] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Ok, I see... Which soundcard is in there?
[12:35] <theine> OZ8AAZ: And are you using the official Ubuntu kernel?
[12:35] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: Any ideas?
[12:37] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: the Live-cd works perfectly fine...
[12:37] <OZ8AAZ> theine: Yup, nothing but official! it's a intel8x0
[12:37] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Same as I have
[12:38] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Could you message me the output of lsmod?
[12:39] <AptivaIBM> brb
[12:40] <theine> OZ8AAZ: And could you please respond a bit faster...?
[12:42] <OZ8AAZ> theine - squize me! :)
[12:42] <OZ8AAZ> theine: am booted in 2.4 now - most notable is the module intel8x0m which loads with intel8x0 under 2.6
[12:44] <theine> OZ8AAZ: So that should be fine I guess
[12:44] <theine> OZ8AAZ: What if you do ``/etc/init.d/alsa restart''? Gives the same error message?
[12:45] <OZ8AAZ> theine: I guess too ... but no /dev/dsp
[12:45] <OZ8AAZ> alsa restarts just fine - modules are loaded just fine... but no /dev/dsp!
[12:46] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Wait, you might have to do ``modprobe snd_pcm_oss''
[12:46] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Is that one loaded under 2.6?
[12:46] <OZ8AAZ> theine ... done
[12:46] <OZ8AAZ> still no go
[12:46] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: Any clues?
[12:46] <AptivaIBM> brb
[12:47] <theine> OZ8AAZ: But you don't get any error messages when you do ``modprobe snd_pcm_oss''>
[12:47] <OZ8AAZ> theine: I've set it up numerous times under Debian without problems, so I thought it was Ubuntu-related...
[12:47] <lifeless> AptivaIBM: so, its probably either grub hanging, or misconfigured.
[12:47] <siretart> OZ8AAZ: do you have the package alsa-oss installed?
[12:47] <OZ8AAZ> siretart: yes
[12:47] <charlie_> hi alll, i just upgraded my kde from 3.2 to 3.3.1 (with the hoary repositories) and now i have problems starting a few programs.. xmms gives segmentation fault blender also.. any idea what went wrong?
[12:47] <lifeless> as it boots, tap esc which shoyld bring up the grub menu.
[12:48] <OZ8AAZ> theine: modprobe doesn't return anything, since the module is loaded just fine...
[12:48] <lifeless> then you can edit the boot parameters.
[12:48] <lifeless> I've gott run no, so good luck
[12:48] <theine> OZ8AAZ: that's really strange that it doesn't result in an /dev/dsp device then...
[12:49] <OZ8AAZ> theine: Exactly!
[12:50] <siretart> does anybody already use NetworkManager?
[12:50] <OZ8AAZ> theine: I'll just reboot into 2.6 - cu!
[12:50] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Do that, and send me the output of dmesg and lsmod so I can compare it to mine
[12:51] <Elwood> theine,  problem with alsa?
[12:51] <theine> Elwood: Not me, OZ8AAZ got one
[12:51] <Elwood> ok good for you
[12:52] <theine> doesn't work for you either?
[12:54] <charlie_> hi alll, i just upgraded my kde from 3.2 to 3.3.1 (with the hoary repositories) and now i have problems starting a few programs.. xmms gives segmentation fault blender also.. any idea what went wrong?
[12:56] <IBMAptiva> Lifeless? U there?
[12:56] <hk_> hmm how do I reconfigure network interfaces in text mode ?
[12:56] <Tomcat_> hk_: ifconfig/iwconfig and /etc/network/*
[12:56] <theine> IBMAptiva: He left
[12:57] <hk_> Tomcat_, I know this ones, just thought it had a dpkg-reconfigure something :/
[12:57] <IBMAptiva> Auch... Anyone else willing to try to help me here?
[12:57] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: what's up?
[12:57] <potato_head> Not saying I'll be able to help
[12:58] <Tomcat_> hk_: Not sure about that... I like to do it manually. :)
[12:58] <IBMAptiva> Having trouble with booting a IBM Aptiva.
[12:58] <theine> IBMAptiva: explain
[12:59] <OZ8AAZ> theine: back....
[12:59] <theine> OZ8AAZ: alright
[01:00] <IBMAptiva> I install ubuntu, I try to reboot the machine, but it stops right before my other machine (laptop of some kind) uncompresses the kernel.
[01:00] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Could you dump the output of dmesg and lsmod on pastebin.com?
[01:00] <OZ8AAZ> theine: hang on...
[01:00] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: have you tried the other boot options in GRUB?
[01:01] <IBMAptiva> potato_head: Like?
[01:01] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Greetings from Copenhagen  by the way
[01:01] <OZ8AAZ> theine: Jepper! It's nice here!
[01:01] <potato_head> IBMAtiva: well I'm not sure. I think there's something like a safe mode, is there?
[01:02] <OZ8AAZ> theine: done!
[01:02] <the_one> hi everybody!
[01:02] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Alright, let's see
[01:02] <IBMAptiva> potato_head: No... there is a recovery mode, but it doesnt help.
[01:02] <Elwood> OZ8AAZ, where is the problem?
[01:02] <Elwood> IBMAptiva, omg... i still have a 486 with imb aptiva installed :)
[01:03] <IBMAptiva> elwood: Experienced any trobles?
[01:03] <the_one> guys, why doesn't my laptop power off when I shut down ubuntu?
[01:03] <Elwood> IBMAptiva,  with aptiva?no.it was my first pc :)
[01:03] <the_one> any ideas?
[01:03] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: ah, okay. Hang on - gonna reboot.
[01:04] <IBMAptiva> elwood: My IBM Aptiva won't start Ubuntu after the install. It stops saying only the tings i can find when I press 'esc'
[01:05] <OZ8AAZ> elwood: No /dev/dsp under kernel 2.6 though all modules are loaded fine...
[01:05] <OZ8AAZ> elwood: ALSAmodules that is...
[01:05] <theine> OZ8AAZ: I have the following from dmesg
[01:05] <theine> OZ8AAZ: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49457 usecs
[01:05] <theine> intel8x0: clocking to 48000
[01:05] <Elwood> OZ8AAZ, check udev permission....
[01:05] <theine> intel8x0: which you are appearently missing
[01:06] <the_one> ok..nobody seems to know or want to help with the power off problem...then another question: does anyone know how to get working WAP authentication with my centrino wireless? In the netwok configuration menu I have the option for WEP only. Suggestions?
[01:06] <theine> Elwood: /dev/dsp doesn't exist at all
[01:07] <Elwood> make udev create it!
[01:07] <Roptaty> theine: Does dsp0 exist?
[01:07] <theine> Roptaty: OZ8AAZ is the one who has problems
[01:08] <Roptaty> theine: Sorry mate. just saw the last couple of lines ;)
[01:08] <theine> Roptaty: That's alright :)
[01:09] <OZ8AAZ> elwood: user is member of audio ...
[01:09] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Perhaps, Could you dump /etc/udev/udev.rules as well?
[01:09] <OZ8AAZ> ok . 2 secs
[01:09] <the_one> is anyone using ubuntu on a laptop with wireless access here or am I the only one?
[01:09] <Roptaty> OZ8AAZ: Please dump them in #flood.
[01:10] <Elwood> theine,  i got similar error and i solved them..udev overwrites the modules nodes
[01:10] <theine> Elwood: So what did you do?
[01:10] <OZ8AAZ> theine... possible error there?
[01:10] <Elwood> theine, i create and add dsp with udev
[01:10] <OZ8AAZ> just posted
[01:11] <theine> pastebin.com is really nice
[01:11] <OZ8AAZ> the_one: my wlan works fine actually :) but it can't play sounds....
[01:11] <OZ8AAZ> :)
[01:11] <OZ8AAZ> pastebin.com is EXCELLENT! a well deserved bookmark!
[01:11] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Bingo, listen to Elwood, the rules for /dev/dsp* are missing in yours
[01:11] <the_one> OZ8AAZ: do you use WEP or any kind of encryption on your wireless network?
[01:12] <theine> OZ8AAZ: shit, sorry, I meant devfs.rules...
[01:12] <OZ8AAZ> theine: what would the line read?
[01:12] <wood1> Hi to all
[01:13] <Elwood> OZ8AAZ, i can paste mine
[01:13] <OZ8AAZ> theine: that'll be great but is it udev.rules or devfs.rules?
[01:14] <wood1> Is somebody else having problems updating in Hoary ?
[01:14] <Elwood> wood1, i have
[01:14] <OZ8AAZ> the_one: not at home (yeah, I know...)
[01:14] <wood1> Elwood, Is it due to OpenOffice.org ?
[01:14] <Elwood> wood1,  no it's due nautilus
[01:15] <theine> wood1: yes! it takes ages to start up
[01:15] <wood1> For me it's OpenOffice
[01:15] <the_one> OZ8AAZ: are you familiar with wireless networking?
[01:15] <theine> wood1: and by ages I mean 10+ min
[01:15] <wood1> Elwood, Have you posted the update problem in Bugzilla ?
[01:15] <OZ8AAZ> the_one... somewhat - try me! :)
[01:16] <wood1> That is weird, 10 minutes to start Nautilas !!!
[01:16] <wood1> Which machine do you have ?
[01:16] <theine> OZ8AAZ: it'd devfs.rules, could you dump that as well?