[00:39] <wgrant> Laney: You do some UDD stuff, right (the Debian definition, not the Ubuntu one)?
[00:46] <ajmitch> he does
[00:46]  * ajmitch doesn't expect to see him online at this hour though
[00:59] <james_w> broder, is there a way to get Debian info from distro-info?
[01:03] <ajmitch> james_w: debian-distro-info
[01:19] <james_w> ajmitch, thanks
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:43] <Laney> wgrant: only one specific bit, but yes
[07:44] <wgrant> Laney: There's at least one UDD thing using the LP edge API, which has been deprecated for nearly a year now. The consumer name is "merges". Do you know who is responsible for that, so I can convince them to use production instead?
[07:56] <Laney> wgrant: Hmm, I don't see anything in svn, and I am not aware of anything external which uses lplib...
[07:56] <Laney> is it coming from a d.o machine?
[07:58] <wgrant> Laney: I don't know directly which machine it's from, but it's the ultimatedebiandatabase user.
[07:59] <Laney> maybe lucas knows
[08:00] <wgrant> Ahhh, just looked up the IP address. It is indeed one of lucas' scripts, running on ubuntuwire.
[08:00] <wgrant> That explains why you couldn't find it.
[08:01] <Laney> aha
[10:02] <Laney> ajmitch: or someone else ubuntuwire-ish — can we get a mirror of UDD on ubuntuwire? (if so, would I be able to have a public_html?)
[10:02]  * Laney has a fun script idea
[10:03] <nigelb> Laney: does it involve graphing? :)
[10:03] <Laney> no
[10:04] <Laney> I got annoyed by another one of manish's posts on plus
[10:04] <Laney> he seems to want to do away with universe now
[10:04] <Laney> it's to showcase cool stuff in there :-)
[10:04] <ajmitch> Laney: I guess we could, I'll need to read up on how to mirror it though
[10:05] <Laney> well you'll need postgres
[10:05] <Laney> and then there's a dump on udd.d.o generated every two days
[10:05] <ajmitch> yeah that's not a problem
[10:05] <Laney> not sure if it is rsyncable
[10:06] <ajmitch> both postgres 8.3 & 8.4 are installed
[10:07] <Laney> jesus I must be ill
[10:07] <ajmitch> how much diskspace do you need for your idea?
[10:07] <Laney> I can't type "psql" properly
[10:07] <ajmitch> heh
[10:07] <Laney> don't imagine much
[10:08] <Laney> it's just "show me a random cool universe package"
[10:08] <Laney> with cool to be defined
[10:08] <ajmitch> ok, since there's only a few GB free, the udd dump is currently 667MB compressed
[10:08] <Laney> this is the box that hosts revu too?
[10:08] <Laney> laney@samosa> ld -l /usr/bin/pdsq;                                                                                ~
[10:08] <ajmitch> no
[10:08] <Laney> ld: cannot find -l/usr/bin/pdsq
[10:08] <Laney> there is so much wrong with that
[10:09] <ajmitch> this is qa.ubuntuwire.com
[10:09] <Laney> aha
[10:09] <Laney> dunno, I'm sure I could figure out another way if it's too hard
[10:10] <ajmitch> not hard, I just have to see what I need to shuffle :)
[10:10] <Laney> maybe app-install-data would be better, if cool is limited to .desktoped apps only
[10:10] <Laney> that would probably be a shame
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah it would, don't limit it
[10:11] <ajmitch> a mere 2.6GB uncompressed
[10:12] <Laney> heh
[10:12] <Laney> you don't have to mirror every table
[10:12] <ajmitch> http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/CreateLocalReplica is useful
[10:12] <ajmitch> yeah, but I have to grab the whole dump initially
[10:12] <Laney> unless you generate your own
[10:12] <ajmitch> right
[10:13] <ajmitch> but it might be useful to have the whole thing on qa.uw, right?
[10:13] <Laney> certainly
[10:13] <Laney> tumbleweed could move his scripts there then
[10:14] <Laney> maybe people could chip in for a bigger drive :-)
[10:14] <ajmitch> I'll see what's unallocated on the host first
[10:17] <tumbleweed> yeah, I'd also find a mirror of the Ubuntu UDD stuff on ubuntiwire handy
[10:19] <ajmitch> wgrant would know better than I would about what to sort out for disk space there
[10:19] <Laney> who hosts it / owns the hardware?
[10:20] <ajmitch> iirc it's nafallo that touches the hardware itself
[10:21] <ajmitch> there are a few kvm guests on the server
[10:21] <nigelb> Laney: who's post were you annoyed at?
[10:21] <Laney> manish
[10:22] <nigelb> sinha?
[10:22] <Laney> yes
[10:22] <nigelb> The one about battle for wenoth?
[10:22] <nigelb> *wesnoth?
[10:22] <Laney> no, i got annoyed about that one before
[10:22] <Laney> something about icons
[10:22] <nigelb> Ah, right.
[10:23] <nigelb> I've learned to ignore a few posts
[10:23] <Laney> it was in the comments
[10:23] <ajmitch> Laney: #ubuntuwire if you want
[10:23] <tumbleweed> Laney: btw, before I forget, in early breezy auto-syncs did make it to -changes. This was giving a huge spike in that graph. I ignored them now. Determining components for upload history is also non-trivial. If you could include that in your new importer, that'd be great.
[10:23] <Laney> ack
[10:23] <nigelb> Ah. I see it.
[10:24] <ajmitch> packages can be in universe at the time of upload & then promoted to main a few days later without you seeing it
[10:24] <Laney> hmm?
[10:24] <Laney> oh, yeah
[10:24] <ajmitch> promotions don't require an upload
[10:24] <Laney> but for upload history the component at the time of upload is interesting
[10:25] <ajmitch> and new packages go to universe by default
[10:25] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: yeah, I know, but... what Laney said
[10:25] <ajmitch> yeah it is interesting
[10:25] <ajmitch> it probably won't skew numbers too much
[10:25] <Laney> if you need the current component you can look in another tabe
[10:25] <Laney> table
[10:25] <tumbleweed> it's currently badly skewed towards unknown http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/upload_activity/
[10:25] <tumbleweed> partly because we aren't importing archived releases sources
[10:26] <tumbleweed> partly because not every sourec package uploaded during a release is in the final sources for that releas
[10:26] <ajmitch> large images ahead :)
[10:26] <tumbleweed> naah, it's all js
[10:27] <ajmitch> right but I'm scrolling for miles
[10:27] <tumbleweed> :)
[10:27] <Nafallo> ajmitch: not that I've had to touch it since I installed it, but yeah. I'm the PoC :-P
[10:27] <ajmitch> Nafallo: right :)
[10:28] <wgrant> It has tonnes of space free, since it no longer does archive rebuilds.
[10:29] <ajmitch> almost 120GB unallocated
[10:29] <wgrant> And I suspect a fair bit of the rest is in unused VM images.
[10:30] <ajmitch> yes, though the VMs look to be using images on the filesystems instead of lvm?
[10:31] <wgrant> ajmitch: Right, the VM-specific LVs are from the Xen days.
[10:34] <wgrant> They can probably be deleted without much thought, but there's a bit free in the existing virt volume, and 110GB free in the VG...
[10:34] <ajmitch> yeah, it's mostly syklone that I want more disk space on at the moment
[13:39]  * Laney welcomes tumbleweed!
[13:39] <tumbleweed> heh, thanks
[13:40]  * Laney flashes the secret signal
[13:41] <nigelb> To DMB?
[13:41] <Laney> aye aye cap'n
[13:41] <nigelb> \o/
[13:42]  * tumbleweed whispers something discreetly
[13:42] <tumbleweed> nigelb: I'm a temporary standin for persia
[13:42] <Laney> TO THE DEVELOPER-APPLICATIONMOBILE!
[13:42]  * Laney hits "Add member" and speeds off
[13:43] <tumbleweed> we vaguely talked about a motu session at UDS. Any more thoughts?
[13:45] <nigelb> tumbleweed: Yeah, I hope persia's alright.
[13:45] <nigelb> I actually talked to him at UDS about board members being inactive.
[13:46] <nigelb> I find it ironic now :)
[13:46] <tumbleweed> apparently he is, but yeah I haven't got any responses either
[13:53] <Laney> apparently there are a lot of people getting their first fixes in (so dholbach told me yesterday), we are just failing at converting them into developers
[13:55] <tumbleweed> that sounds about right. the locals who jammed with me got sponsored uploads, but haven't got hooked (they claim not to have the time)
[14:25] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: I don't have time either, but I'm still sort of somewhat in the launchpad team :)
[14:28] <tumbleweed> yeah, if we all just had more time...
[14:32] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a way to control the logo position in unity-greeter ?
[21:11] <tumbleweed> DktrKranz: seeing as you appear to be around and just mentioned syncpackage. I had a question for you: Have you seen bug 878868
[21:12] <tumbleweed> it's a bit of a crazy corner case, but it made me wonder why we were doing what we are in syncpackage
[21:14] <DktrKranz> I've seen something similar in the past too
[21:16]  * tumbleweed just noticed that his patch in that bug would probably break new package syncs, but that's not related to the question :)
[21:18] <DktrKranz> for NEW packages from Debian, it makes sense to have full changelog. It doesn't for packages we already had in Ubuntu.
[21:19] <tumbleweed> the problem here wasn't that we took the full changelog, but that we had version 1.1-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu, so we took changelog enttries >= 1.1-0. Why not >> 1.1-0ubuntu1
[21:21] <DktrKranz> value passed to -v should be current version or 0 in case there isn't one
[21:21] <DktrKranz> then, dpkg will do the right thing
[21:21] <tumbleweed> right, I'll sort that out, my real question here is why are we using get_related_debian_version() at all?
[21:23] <DktrKranz> mmh
[21:25] <DktrKranz> I vaguely remember something
[21:26] <tumbleweed> one possible reason I can think of is packages like configure-debian, which went native to non-native, and we can't sync them properly until they get a new upstream version.
[21:26] <DktrKranz> I think it already checks wheter versions are fine
[21:27] <tumbleweed> yes, but if it did get a new upstream version, we'd want to pick up theintermediate changelog entries too, with get_releated_debian_version() we do
[21:29] <DktrKranz> as long as it takes the current version in the suite, intermediate changelogs should be considered automatically
[21:30] <tumbleweed> in this case. Ubuntu: 1.0.2ubuntu3. Debian: 1.0.2-0.1. If Debian were to go to 1.0.3-1. We'd want to not miss 1.0.2-0.1's changelog entry
[21:33] <DktrKranz> get_related_debian_version() is useful here, perhaps it just needs to be extended to pick common ancestor
[21:33] <tumbleweed> that requires walking both changelogs
[21:34] <tumbleweed> but yes, I also agree that that's probably the right thing to do
[21:34] <DktrKranz> aren't LP APIs able to determine versions?
[21:34] <DktrKranz> I thought LP would know
[21:34] <tumbleweed> ah, yeah ,we could walk the publication histories
[21:35] <DktrKranz> (oh, btw. "debuild", "--no-lintian" => "dpkg-buildpackage" ?)
[21:35] <tumbleweed> sounds about right
[21:37] <tumbleweed> looks like bdrung made that change
[21:37] <tumbleweed> not sure why. For the build log?
[21:37] <tumbleweed> (r 653)
[22:11] <bdrung> DktrKranz: no to "debuild", "--no-lintian" => "dpkg-buildpackage" because it doesn't evaluate debuild options (key signing is a killer feature for me)
[22:12] <bdrung> tumbleweed: re version: we need to find the common anchor for the debian and ubuntu version
[22:15] <tumbleweed> bdrung: agreed. I started looking at it, but doing it probably will require a little refactoring, to save lp roundtrips elsewhere in syncpackage
[22:22] <bdrung> tumbleweed: btw, i commented the bug with one example
[22:22] <bdrung> tumbleweed: we should put that function into a library and write some test cases for it.
[22:24] <tumbleweed> 'fraid it's not that easy. We need to implement it twice. Once for a local changelog (syncing from a dsc), and once for LP records on both distros
[22:25] <tumbleweed> btw, I have some ideas for running tests that require lp. But I doubt I'll have time for that any time soon :/
[22:33] <bdrung> tumbleweed: using stubs for the lp objects?
[22:49] <tumbleweed> bdrung: no, recording api queries and responses, and replaying them
[22:50] <bdrung> nice
[22:50] <bdrung> idea


[02:12] <echosystm> is there any way to run NFS on a port other than 2049?
[02:12] <echosystm> i can't find anything on google
[02:19] <patdk-lap> sure, you can specify any port you want
[02:19] <patdk-lap> but the problem isn't really nfs, but all the other rpc stuff too
[02:19] <patdk-lap> let alone portmapper
[02:26] <patdk-lap> also try, man rpc.nfsd
[02:27] <patdk-lap> then assign said options to RPCNFSDOPTS= in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
[11:48] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav or I will take a look at bug 1568971
[11:50] <jamespage> gnuoy, ^^
[11:51] <gnuoy> jamespage, ta
[12:24] <devster31> I know it seems a stupid question, but how do I know what components are available for a given repository? for example, I have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty universe , I can guess the trusty main and trusty contrib but what other are available?
[12:45] <jamespage> coreycb, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-global-requirements
[12:45] <jamespage> a session we should make sure gets attended...
[12:45] <jamespage> has some fairly serious implications...
[12:46] <patdk-wk_> is it not possible to run xenial in lxc yet? due to systemd/cgroup issue?
[12:46] <coreycb> jamespage, oh that would be a nightmare, per project version requirements?
[12:47] <jamespage> patdk-wk_, certainly is on xenial - not sure on releases before then
[12:47] <patdk-wk_> running fully uptodate xenial with xenial inside an lxc
[12:47] <coreycb> jamespage, I'll add that to my agenda, which I should put together :)
[12:47] <patdk-wk_> init starts, but systemd fails, and so nothing else starts
[12:50] <jamespage> patdk-wk_, not sure  - I'd go ask in #lxcontainers
[12:50] <patdk-wk_> I should look into it some more I guess and attempt a bug report
[12:50] <patdk-wk_> looks the same, but it might not be, bug #1347020
[12:55] <jrwren> devster31: I don't really understand your question. Do you want to know which repos are enabled on a server? look at /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[12:57] <zul> jamespage: thats going back to the dark ages
[14:36] <DirtyCajun> anyone know why server buntu doesnt allow for pre-release upgrades?
[14:37] <ogra_> what do you mean by pre-release upgrades
[14:38] <patdk-wk_> doesn't allow?
[14:38] <patdk-wk_> it would be kindof difficult to upgrade to 16.10 though, at the moment
[14:40] <teward> Unless his questio nis "How do I go from 15.10 to 16.04 before it's released"?
[14:40] <patdk-wk_> but that is doable, or no one would be able to *test* 16.04
[14:40] <patdk-wk_> or I have been doing it wrong for years
[14:49] <FFForever> Hey hey. Where does bind9 keeps it logs?
[14:50] <FFForever> I don't see anything under /var/log that could be bind related. Nothing in dmesg to hint to why the service won't start
[14:51] <sdeziel> FFForever: /var/log/named
[15:52] <FFForever> How do I enable caching of forwarded lookups?
[15:52] <FFForever> (Bind)
[16:30] <jrwren> FFForever: afaik its enabled by default and you would need to disable it.
[16:35] <FFForever> jrwren, Hmm. /var/cache/bind only shows my one slave zone and managed-keys.bind. Is caching only done in memory?
[16:39] <jrwren> FFForever: yes? I don't know. I have nothing for any zones in my /var/cache/bind, but I don't run any slaves.
[16:42] <jrwren> FFForever: i've been a bind novice for 20 years. In that time I do not recall any disk cache.
[16:45] <sruli> how can i install ubuntu 14.04 mini in uefi? or is there 16.04 beta mini in uefi available?
[16:56] <rbasak> jrwren, FFForever: I concur. bind traditionally does memory caching with no disk option. Unless there's something new. I remember using some other daemon when I wanted the cache to persist across reboots, but that was possibly last century so something may have changed.
[17:00] <patdk-wk_> it doesn't do disk caching except for things that MUSt servive a restart, like slave zones, dynamic updates, ...
[17:55] <smellsLikeGoatSp> hello everyone, just a quick question here, is it possible to connect different clients to a TCP/IP server at the same time?
[17:56] <citizenruin> hello
[17:56] <jrwren> smellsLikeGoatSp: of course it is possible. Any TCP Server would be written to support it.
[18:01] <smellsLikeGoatSp> jrwen: to explain what I need: so a friend of mine has a light control software called e:cue that connects to a LAS server (I believe) which is connected to a butler that controls the light via DMX. this software sends signals down the network using TCP/IP to ignite command to play sound in his RPi. This is done to avoid paying for the sound licence and only sticking to the lights. (continues)
[18:02] <smellsLikeGoatSp> Now this system failed for one of the RPi and I was thinking of setting a separate server-client  TCP network to input the RPi with commands for the sound. I tested a tutorial using my LAN connection and worked out fine. I should try with an ethernet now. But I was wondering whether a server can listen to multiple clients simultaneously
[18:12] <jrwren> smellsLikeGoatSp: i don't know any of the acronyms you just said. Most TCP servers are written to handle multiple simultanious clients.
[18:34] <smellsLikeGoatSp> jrwren: thank you. I realise this acronyms are quite niche. I was taken care of in the meanwhile. thanks for your help though. appreciated
[19:24] <tobyj> http://puu.sh/ona5d/491a2b83a0.png my fresh install of ubuntu-server minimal looks like this over ssh, how do i fix it?
[19:25] <tobyj> i can't enter the password when prompted, it doesn't appear as stars like it usually does on a full install
[19:25] <teward> tobyj: it's not supposed to
[19:25] <tobyj> and my character encoding settings seem to be okay on either end
[19:25] <teward> it'll still take your password
[19:25] <teward> it just won't display stars
[19:25] <teward> you can make it do that, but the default is to not display
[19:25] <tobyj> is there any way to fix it though?
[19:25] <tobyj> the character encoding issues
[19:26] <tobyj> they appear to be set properly
[19:28] <cliffer> is there anybody administrating a server using a ldap directory to manage domains (bind9) and email addresses (postfix/dovecot) and using a (not self written) gui willing to name his solution?
[19:32] <FFForever> cliffer, I do. It's pretty straight forward to configure yourself without a ui
[19:32] <patdk-wk_> oh? bind finally got a ldap backend
[19:33] <cliffer> FFForever: i tried and tried to setup ldap->bind9 but the example file uses a missing ldap schema which is only included in freeipa
[19:34] <cliffer> and since i discovered this, i thought there should be a more common solution
[19:35] <patdk-wk_> I have always used powerdns for ldap
[19:35] <cliffer> patdk-wk_: the pkg is named bind9-dyndb-ldap
[19:37] <cliffer> patdk-wk_: if you want to give it a try, i have a virgin server setup :)
[19:38] <patdk-wk_> absolutely not
[19:38] <patdk-wk_> I dropped bind back in 2002
[19:39] <patdk-wk_> and I don't ever want to use it again
[19:54] <contumax> hi, there is no tty after ubuntu server 14.04 boot, but i'm able to ssh to the server, any help?
[20:07] <devster31> jrwren: no, I want to know which components exist for a given repository, and which distributions there are, the repo url is something like: http://site.example.com/ distribution component1 component2 component3 but how do I know which are the components and which are the distributions available
[20:31] <coreycb> jamespage, does this look ok to you? https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/horizon/commit/?id=0a2c97442a1f63a4d72ed14090132524e8226ec2
[20:32] <jamespage> coreycb, maybe - does it fix the upgrade issue and is the dash still functional?
[20:32] <coreycb> jamespage, it fixes the upgrade issue, but needs more testing
[20:33] <jamespage> coreycb, you can test the packages by pointing your install at the serverstack keystone ip and using your credentials
[20:34] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[21:07] <YamakasY> hi guys
[21:07] <YamakasY> more people having issues with puppet and keeped kernels on the apt module ?
[21:27] <coreycb> jamespage, I uploaded the new horizon package for mitaka with the upgrade fix
[22:06] <Kallis> If i run a getfacl on a windows mounted directory , should it show me a list of ACL's on the directory/file assigned from the windows server ?
[22:06] <Kallis> the windows share is mounted with  acl enabled
[22:41] <max3> how do i up the log level of apache in /etc/defaults/apach2?
[22:42] <max3> what's the env variable i have to set?
[22:45] <sarnold> Kallis: linux acls are not samba acls
[22:46] <FFForever> cliffer, Huh? I have a win2012 ad and setup a zone transfer from the ad dns to bind
[22:47] <cliffer> FFForever: sounds good.
[22:48] <cliffer> i'm trying to setup it, i think i know how to do it. if i have questions, i love to be able to come back to you
[22:49] <cliffer> but i thought perhaps there is an ui for it since it is a common task
[22:50] <FFForever> Meh. SSH is faster once you get everything setup.
[22:50] <FFForever> Zone updates are handled automatically, email provisioning is handled via ad so it's semi automated.
[22:52] <cliffer> but i have no ad and i thouzght there might be a gui for it
[22:52] <Kallis> how can i check the ACL's are copying from the windows server to the linux box when using the rsync -A command
[22:52] <FFForever> If you don't have an existing forest check out Zentyal (it's built on top of Ubuntu)
[22:52] <sarnold> Kallis: iirc samba stores them in xattrs in the security.* namespace -- try lsxattr on the files in question
[22:52] <FFForever> With how you phrased your question earlier it sounded like you had an existing domain that were expanding
[22:53] <Kallis> sarnold, i will try that now
[22:54] <sarnold> Kallis: err, sorry, try attr -l
[22:55] <Kallis> sarnold, ok trying now
[22:59] <Kallis> so running attr -l 00\ -\ PROJECT\ REF/ on that directory gives me no information at all
[23:00] <sarnold> Kallis: how about files in the directory?
[23:00] <Kallis> sec
[23:02] <Kallis> sarnold, attr -l Processes\ For\ NEW\ Projects.docx again no information, tried with sudo as well, that file is located on the ubuntu box, having been copied with rsync -aAX
[23:05] <sarnold> Kallis: what filesystem was the source? what filesystem was the destination?
[23:06] <sarnold> Kallis: it looks like -a doesn't copy extended attributes by default, does adding -X fix it?
[23:11] <Kallis> sarnold, source is ntfs destination is ext4
[23:11] <genii> Heh, NTFS
[23:12] <sarnold> Kallis: ah so no samba involved? I'm going to guess there's no way to bring over the acls then
[23:13] <Kallis> sarnold, yes, no samba involved yet, the plan is to move the entire fileserver over to the ubuntu box and samba, I was just hoping I could preserve all ACL's so users could still just login with LDAP and have all the correct access to files and directories
[23:15] <sarnold> Kallis: you -might- have success if you put the ntfs filesystem into a windows machine, set up samba on your ubuntu machine, and try using windows to copy from one to the other. explorer.exe may have a configuration option somewhere for "retain ownership and permissions" or something similar. I hope.
[23:20] <Kallis> sarnold, I know powershell has a copy acl switch, so maybe I will try setting up samba first
[23:20] <sarnold> Kallis: ah that sounds promising
[23:23] <Kallis> sarnold, I will go get that all configured now, thanks for the advice
[23:25] <sarnold> good luck, let me know how it works out, probably someone else will want to do the same thing :)
[23:25] <Kallis> will do man


[00:11] <wallyworld> hpidcock: is the TestArrayArraysUnorderedWithExpected test, why diesn't jc.NewMultiChecker().Add("[1]", jc.SameContents) work? why does it need the additonal jc.ExpectedValue arg? To me we should just be able to specify jc.SameContext and job done
[00:12] <hpidcock> wallyworld: because some checkers don't take any arguments, some checkers take more than one
[00:13] <hpidcock> so this way the syntax matches c.Check
[00:14] <hpidcock> and it means you declare the compared value to be different than whats in the object you are comparing
[00:15] <wallyworld> ok, that make sense
[00:16] <wallyworld> looks nice
[00:17] <hpidcock> wallyworld: yeah we can iterate on it to make sure its useful for all cases in the future
[00:17] <wallyworld> yup, land and iterate :-)
[00:19] <oyrogerg> Hi everyone, quite new to Juju. I am comparing two different bundle files for deploying the same final system, and would like to know about 'gui-x' and 'gui-y' settings. Do they do much of interest to a non-GUI user?
[00:19] <oyrogerg> (Meanwhile, I see there's a Discourse. Searching there...)
[00:20] <pmatulis> oyrogerg, they are a GUI-only thing
[00:20] <oyrogerg> Thanks pmatulis, I wil ignore those differences then.
[00:21] <pmatulis> https://juju.is/docs/bundle-reference
[00:21] <pmatulis> oyrogerg, ^^^
[00:21] <oyrogerg> Even better, thank you.
[02:16] <hpidcock> PR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11676
[02:19] <thumper> landings seems to be faster and less buggy
[02:19] <thumper> based on my sample size of one
[02:19]  * thumper looks at PR
[02:26] <thumper> hpidcock: looks good
[02:26] <hpidcock> thumper: awesome thanks
[02:28] <thumper> hpidcock: looking at the 2.7 merge updating gorilla ws, did we have a fix for this yet?
[04:11] <tlm> wallyworld: got 2 minute for HO ?
[04:11] <wallyworld> tlm: in another meeting, can ping when done?
[04:12] <tlm> no rush might see if hpidcock wants to assist ?
[15:20] <manadart> hml or stickupkid_ or achilleasa: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11678
[15:20] <manadart> I'm EoD. If it's good, feel free to merge it.
[15:21] <hml> manadart: i’ll take a look
[15:47] <manadart> hml: I'll add a new test specifically for the port change life.
[15:47] <hml> manadart:  to the pr?
[15:47] <manadart> hml: Yeah.
[15:48] <hml> manadart:  ack, working on qa now
[15:55] <hml> manadart:  that’s weird, wonder why everything started failing with build fail in the middle of the make-check-juju
[18:01] <manadart> hml: Added that test.
[18:02] <hml> manadart:  k, kicked off !!build!! a bit ago, see how it ran
[18:02] <manadart> hml: Great. See you tomorrow.
[18:02] <hml> manadart:  g'night
[23:07] <tlm> 2.8 => develop PR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11679
[23:31] <tlm> another PR as well https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11671


[00:00] <odie__> is there a good util for switching windows from the command line or script in kde4?
[00:02] <Hudsonkem> bprompt akonadi is using it? whats akonadi do?
[00:03] <bprompt> Hudsonkem:     kaddressbook, kwallet, kontac, korganizer, pretty much the PIM apps information database service
[00:04] <Hudsonkem> hm.. got it, thx
[00:08] <Hudsonkem> why when google chrome call dolphin open/salve dialog its appear without color scheme?
[00:08] <bprompt> well
[00:09] <bprompt> Hudsonkem:     the app uses some "file dialog" subroutine, is not really Dolphin's or have to be KDE's or QT's either, in this case, google chrome, as well as otrher browsers like firefox, use GTK dialog
[00:10] <bprompt> so, is up to the app, whatever file dialog it will use, no up to the window manager or the desktop manager
[00:12] <Hudsonkem> hm.. got it
[00:12] <Hudsonkem> so, no fix :V
[00:12] <odie__> is there a scriptable program for switching windows in kde4?
[00:12] <odie__> like something I can put as part of a shell script or program
[00:13] <bprompt> odie__:   no need for that, alt-tab =)
[00:13] <odie__> I need it as part of the state for a script
[00:14] <odie__> i need to switch to a window, focus on it, and pipe a command to it
[00:15] <bprompt> Hudsonkem:    what you can do is, change the GTK theme to something you'd like instead, or some gtk theme that resembles whatever theme you're using in kwin :), and you can do that in System Settings > appearance > gtk appearance
[00:16] <mparillo> bprompt: It seems to me that if I install rekonq first, google-chrome uses kdialog. If I do not install rekonq at all, google-chrome uses something else.
[00:17] <bprompt> hmmm
[00:18] <bprompt> mparillo:   I'm thinking it uses gtk theme all along, BUT, you can change what gtk theme to use in a kwin session, through System Settings > Appearance
[00:19] <bprompt> mparillo:    or may just ba a system kde/qt variable that's being set, that chrome uses, bearing in mind that other app use as well, like Adobe reader or firefox
[00:21] <mparillo> Alas firefox has its own strange file dialog.
[00:23] <odie__> does plasma have a console api?
[00:24] <bprompt> odie__:    think so, from what I recall, you can use Krunner to run kde dialogs, not sure if that comprises plasma
[00:24] <bprompt> !krunner
[00:25] <bprompt> woops
[00:25] <bprompt> !find krunner
[00:26] <bprompt> odie__:    but if you install KDevelop suite, I think it has a few kde api samplers
[00:26] <Unit193> !find krunner
[00:26] <odie__> is there a wiki for the kwin/plasma shell scripting apis
[00:26] <mparillo> This might be how the kdialog is invoked under the covers? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=190556
[00:26] <odie__> i see functionality scattered about is there a wiki for objects
[00:27] <mparillo> And I experience this bug related to kdialog on Chrome and Chromium: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323650
[05:56] <shurtagul> So why when I executed "sudo apt-get purge wine*" does the shell go ahead and purge all my applications?
[07:12] <dw__> howdy from texas #kubuntu
[10:46] <lolmaus> In Google Chrome (latest stable), I'm suffering from unresponsive and jerky scrolling, redraw problems: http://i.stack.imgur.com/qXgY2.png and YouTube lagging in fullscreen. I'm on Kubuntu 15.10 installed from scratch on a pretty performant laptop: a Thinkpad T430 with a top CPU, 16GB RAM (no swap), SSD, Intel 4000 GPU.
[10:46] <lolmaus> Help! I tried disabling all Chrome addons but it didn't help.
[11:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[12:47] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> fine thanks lordievader, and how are you?
[12:48] <lordievader> Doing good here. Bit of a lazy day today...
[12:49] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here ,think I can relax, finally
[12:50] <lordievader> Why couldn't you before?
[12:50] <lordievader> Too much stuff to take care of?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> yeah, the yardwork mostly
[12:52] <lordievader> Ah, well earned relaxing thus ;)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> this 16.04 is slow to boot one day then fast the next, lotta changes every 2-3 days..more so then 15.10 it seems
[12:55] <BluesKaj> buit overall it's stability is quite good so far
[12:56] <lordievader> Haven't used Xenial much since the 15.10 release.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey sick_rimmit
[13:12] <I_need_Help> hi guy i want to ask if someone coud help me with a problem regarding synaptic
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I_need_Help, which kubuntu release are you using?
[13:13] <I_need_Help> 15.10
[13:13] <BluesKaj> still on synaptic. why not muon ?
[13:13] <I_need_Help> i get this error whne staring synaptic :
[13:14] <I_need_Help> No protocol specified  ** (synaptic:17423): WARNING **: Could not open X display                                                                            No protocol specified                                                                                Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden                                  Unable to
[13:14] <lordievader> I_need_Help: From where are you trying to launch synaptic?
[13:14] <lordievader> And Mir? Is synaptic ported to that?
[13:15] <I_need_Help> normal louncher
[13:15] <BluesKaj> no it's still available on kubuntu, think he's using ubuntu
[13:15] <I_need_Help> no im usin kubuntu 15.10
[13:16] <I_need_Help> *using
[13:16] <lordievader> I_need_Help: Open a konsole and run 'DISPLAY=:0 synaptic', does that launch it correctly?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> I_need_Help, do yo also have unity installed
[13:16] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:16] <I_need_Help> wihout sudo yes
[13:17] <I_need_Help> with sudo
[13:17] <I_need_Help> ** (synaptic:17499): WARNING **: Could not open X display No protocol specified Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Unable to init server: Verbindung ist gescheitert: Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt  (synaptic:17499): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[13:18] <lordievader> That makes sense.
[13:19] <lordievader> The root doesn't have access to your display.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> plus why is it looking for mir ?
[13:20] <I_need_Help> but sometimes it works
[13:20] <I_need_Help> most times after a reboot
[13:21] <BluesKaj> this won't solve your synaptic problem, but why not install muon ? it works well
[13:21] <lordievader> I_need_Help: Does synaptic elavate its right when you want to install something? (After you have started it without sudo?)
[13:22] <I_need_Help> no
[13:23] <lordievader> Hmm...
[13:25] <I_need_Help> i dont know if its realtet but sometimes bleachbit also dont with root
[13:25] <I_need_Help> and kwin_x11 crashes a lot
[13:26] <BluesKaj> have you been updating and upgrading your packages to bring them up to date ?
[13:27] <I_need_Help> evertying shoud be up to date
[13:30] <BluesKaj> frankly, I dunno how well synaptic isa supported anymore , it's quite an old app and muon has mostly replaced it over the last few yrs
[13:30] <I_need_Help> ok thanks
[13:31] <lordievader> If it wants Mir... something tells me it might only work (well) under Unity.
[13:31] <I_need_Help> dosent kubuntu use wayland?
[13:32] <lordievader> No. Not yet anyways.
[13:32] <lordievader> kwin_x11 ;)
[13:33] <I_need_Help> ok stil thank i gues im using moun from now on
[14:03] <tomb> how can I open the settings in Konsole please?
[14:04] <lordievader> tomb: As in running 'systemsettings'?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> tomb, systemsettings5
[14:21] <Hudsonkem> I uninstalled apport and somethimes when plasma or krunner crashes, it appear yet, why? its getting me mad U.u
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Hudsonkem, you may need to purge it
[14:24] <Hudsonkem> hm..
[14:24]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[14:25] <Hudsonkem> interesting, apport was there -_-
[14:25] <tomb> lordievader: no sorry, the settings for Konsole.  Directions say "Settings -> Profile Management -> New Profile", but I can't find that menu.
[14:26] <lordievader> tomb: Settings -> Manage Profiles you mean?
[14:26] <tomb> I guess...
[14:27] <lordievader> Does that answer your question then?
[14:28] <tomb> No, I can't find "Settings"
[14:28] <lordievader> It is the second to last in the menubar. Did you disable the menubar?
[14:29] <tomb> perhaps the menubar never was enabled?  How do I do that please?
[14:29] <lordievader> tomb: ctrl + shift + m
[14:30] <tomb> there we go: cheers lordie
[14:31] <Hudsonkem> thumbnail on dolphin 15.08.2 ideas?
[14:31] <Hudsonkem> ops
[14:31] <Hudsonkem> blender thumbnails on dolphin 15.08.2 ideas?*
[14:50] <sick_rimmit> BluesKaj:  Hi, sorry was asleep at the wheel back there
[14:51] <BluesKaj> sick_rimmit, looks like you have some connect probs
[16:15] <LicHacker> how do I log a bug, ubuntu-bug gets confused an is looking for iceweasle when I am using firefox?
[16:16] <LicHacker> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel'
[16:18] <LicHacker> I have a fresh install of kubuntu 15.10
[18:06] <_jam> is kwallet broken for anyone else? I'm in 15.10. It doesn't open a wallet, and all the widgets seem broken. I've tried creating a new wallet, importing, exporting and nothing happens
[18:12] <TJ-> _jam: not sure; I don't see anything in the default wallet here but not sure if something is missing or if it is empty
[19:19] <est31> okay, now where has the "actions" right click menu vanished
[19:19] <est31> I can't even unzip zip files anymore
[19:19] <est31> without using the console
[19:19] <est31> or opening ark and many many more clicks and useless submenus
[19:20] <est31> There is an "activities" right click menu but it contains bullshit
[19:23] <est31> I dont want to "link with the current activity"
[19:23] <est31> whatever that is
[19:23] <est31> I want a shorthand for extracting zip files
[19:23] <est31> and I want a shorthand for kgpg -s
[19:46] <suncokret> hello, what is better to install, kubuntu 14.04 or 15.10?
[19:46] <est31> I reallly regret to have moved to 15.10 now
[19:47] <est31> there is lots of stuff happening in kubuntu land right now
[19:47] <lordievader> suncokret: That depends, do you want the newest of the newest. Or do you want (rock)stable?
[19:47] <est31> best option is to install an LTS and wait for the dust to settle
[19:47] <est31> 15.10 isnt newest of newest
[19:48] <lordievader> In terms of releases it is.
[19:48] <est31> in terms of ubuntu releases, yes
[19:48] <est31> not in terms of software releases
[19:48] <est31> then rolling release is better
[19:48] <suncokret> i use now lubuntu 14.04 and it is great, i wish to try kubuntu and i think to try 14.04 too because it have long support, but i ask what you people say
[19:49] <suncokret> do you use kubuntu 14.04?
[19:50] <lordievader> I only have Kubuntu 16.04 installed on a test box.
[19:50] <VeryBewitching> 15.10 here.
[19:53] <lordievader> suncokret: You could ofcoure try 15.10 as a vm or in the live-environment.
[19:54] <suncokret> how you use 16.04, is that some alpha version or what?
[19:54] <VeryBewitching> suncokret: Current build of the next release.
[19:54] <lordievader> suncokret: Yes, development release.
[19:54] <VeryBewitching> There's probably snapshots available for such things.
[19:55] <lordievader> suncokret: I am part of the Kubuntu Teststers Team ;)
[19:55] <suncokret> so you are help for developing
[19:55] <suncokret> and how much people are in team?
[19:57] <lordievader> Not a whole lot. We could allways use more ;) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters
[19:58] <suncokret> i don't have time for that but i hope i will find enough time to install 14.04 :)
[20:00] <suncokret> so almost 400 members...
[20:01] <lordievader> Oh, that ain't a representive measurement...
[20:02] <lordievader> There are 13 people in the testers ping.
[20:31] <mparillo> lordievader: Thans for the link. I am on the testers ping, but had neglected to add my name to the launchpad group.
[20:31] <lordievader> mparillo: Sure, no problem ;)
[20:31] <mparillo> suncokret: If you want a solid, stable desktop, 14.04 is the best choice.
[20:32] <mparillo> suncokret: If you want to roll with the latest, the daily build of 16.04 has not let me down.
[20:35] <suncokret> thanks for answers
[20:54] <VeryBewitching> Does anyone know of a way to stop the lengthy checksum check when copying data to a USB stick?
[20:55] <VeryBewitching> Once the file is on the device, and the notification shows 100% copy status, there's a huge delay before it completes.
[21:15] <fsdf> hi
[22:57] <jokn> is there a good plasma/kde4 command line script for window switching
[22:58] <soee_> jokn: try asking on #plasma
[23:04] <jokn> is the plasma desktop scripting api available in full somewhere
[23:07] <jokn> is there a DE that works well with ubuntu that is better for scripting than KDE?
[23:27] <Mejestoad> Can someone help me out with the Catalyst driver


[17:51] <nepthar> Hey upstart community! I've got a question about non-zero exit codes in upstart. Typing out info now...
[17:53] <nepthar> I have one upstart job which runs a web server, and another upstart job which I want to act as a crash reporter. The goal of the crash reporter is to examine the exit status of my web server and if it crashed or failed, shoot off an e-mail or something. I've managed to get the crash reporter job to run each time the web server is stopped, but the actual info that comes along with the 'stopping' even shows that the web server exited successfully, even whe
[17:53] <nepthar> induce a horrible crash.
[17:54] <nepthar> I've just put up a sample of my config files in paste bin, along with snippets from the corresponding log files
[17:54] <nepthar> http://pastebin.com/0ZbzNhzs
[17:55] <nepthar> Am I somehow incorrectly handling the failure situation?
[19:01] <nepthar> For completeness, I've done more digging and discovered that setting the respawn flag causes non-zero exit status to NOT be reported in the 'stopping' event that is emitted. Question posed here: https://answers.launchpad.net/upstart/+question/205836
[21:39] <SpamapS> nepthar: interesting idea
[21:39] <nepthar> oh hey, thanks. Not sure if you saw (my IRC client crashed), but I posted a question about it on launchpad
[21:40] <nepthar> my current workaround is to simply remove the respawn flag from my web service job
[21:40] <nepthar> and the crash reporter now looks like this:
[21:42] <nepthar> start on stopped RESULT=failed JOB!=xxx-crash-reporter
[21:42] <nepthar> task
[21:42] <nepthar> console log
[21:42] <nepthar> script
[21:42] <nepthar> 	case $JOB in
[21:42] <nepthar> 		xxx-*)
[21:42] <nepthar> 			sleep 2
[21:42] <nepthar> 			echo -n "Catching stopped job [$JOB] "
[21:42] <nepthar> 			date
[21:42] <nepthar> 			logfile="/var/log/upstart/${JOB}.log"
[21:42] <nepthar> 			desc_file="$(tempfile)"
[21:42] <nepthar> 			echo "..." >> $desc_file
[21:42] <nepthar> 			tail -n $LOG_LINES "$logfile" >> $desc_file
[21:42] <nepthar> 			echo "Submitting notification..."
[21:42] <nepthar> 			curl --data-urlencode "application=${JOB}" \
[21:42] <nepthar> 			 	--data-urlencode "even=stopped" \
[21:42] <nepthar> 			 	--data-urlencode "description@$desc_file" "$NOTIFY_SERVER"
[21:42] <nepthar> 			echo "Restarting job..."
[21:42] <nepthar> 			initctl start ${JOB} || true
[21:42] <nepthar> 			echo "..done."
[21:42] <nepthar> 			;;
[21:42] <nepthar> 		*)
[21:42] <nepthar> 			;;
[21:42] <nepthar> 	esac
[21:43] <nepthar>
[21:43] <nepthar> end script
[21:43] <nepthar> Ah… REALLY sorry about that…
[21:45] <SpamapS> nepthar: apt-get install pastebinit :)
[21:45] <nepthar> SpamapS: see http://pastebin.com/McTqEG2U
[21:45] <nepthar> thanks :)
[21:46] <SpamapS> nepthar: realistically, your job can take over for respawn..
[21:46] <SpamapS> nepthar: not ideal, but its a workaround
[21:46] <nepthar> SpampS: exactly. It takes over the respawn process, but I love the respawn limit features built in to upstart
[22:11] <JanC> why not do the crash-reporting from the webserver job?
[22:27] <SpamapS> indeed, it will have more insight if the webserver is its own child and in its own process group


[18:53] <mozammel> some app use gnome gtk window border and some app use ubutu gtk border style.. I dont know  how to make it uniform.
[18:53] <mozammel> any one to help ? I'm running UBUNTU-GNOME 17.04
[19:25] <oerheks> mozammel, depends what app? example: chrome uses its own theme, standard, but you can change that in settings
[19:25] <oerheks> * of that app
[19:29] <mozammel> oerheks: firefox, opera, libreoffice, telegram, synaptic, etc
[19:30] <oerheks> well... check tham all?
[19:30] <oerheks> c/them
[19:38] <oerheks> btw i see no theme settings in firefox.. so maybe it is a theme issue
[19:39] <FilipeAzevedo[m]> Hi, I've open this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1710291, I would like to try and solve it but I can't find the ubuntu repo for this component and this doesn't exist upstream
[19:39] <FilipeAzevedo[m]> Hi, I've open this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1710291, I would like to try and solve it but I can't find the ubuntu repo for this component and this doesn't exist upstream. Can someone give me a hand finding the right repo ?
[19:39] <FilipeAzevedo[m]> Hi, I've open this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1710291, I would like to try and solve it but I can't find the ubuntu repo for this component and this doesn't exist upstream. Can someone give me a hand finding the right repo ? In any case a possible solution is in the description
[21:05] <reduz> hi everyone. Put Ubuntu-gnome on a pendrive, booted it and the installer opens for a few seconds and then crashes. What should I do?
[21:05] <reduz> I can't find any information about this
[21:05] <reduz> so, any help very appreciated
[21:08] <reduz> Is it supposed to still work? Given canonical wil make Gnome official..
[21:25] <reduz> well, i give up, will try fedora, thanks!
[21:26] <jbicha> lol


[00:45] <quassel208> hi in jaunty i cant select anymore 1400 x 900, did you guys put a old driver there?
[16:49] <mnemo> quassel208: have you solve the problem you had with not being able to select "1400 x 900" ??
[18:45] <Ng> hmm, I forget where it was, but someone mentioned a thinkpad brightness regression in 2.6.27-11. finally rebooted from -9 and indeed my brightness keys are borked
[19:06] <mnemo> Ng: maybe you can work around it using the "xbacklight" tool?
[19:06] <Ng> I have no desire to do that :)
[19:07] <Ng> I'll boot back into an older kernel
[19:07] <mnemo> file a bug at least
[19:07] <Ng> there seem to be several already, I'm collecting them together
[19:07] <mnemo> aah ok
[19:39] <tjaalton> someone still using intrepid?
[19:39] <tjaalton> :)
[19:40] <RAOF> I'm always surprised when people aren't running the bleeding-edge, development version :)
[19:41] <stgraber> well, people who want working ATI drivers tend to stay on the stable version :)
[19:41] <tjaalton> I upgraded my desktop yesterday, so every system is on jaunty now
[19:42] <tjaalton> -ati works fine
[19:43] <superm1> i've got a system still at 804 because my wifi doesnt work well in 810 or 904 still personally
[19:44] <stgraber> if by fine you mean unaccelerated 2d, no 3d and no xv, yes it does :)
[19:45] <stgraber> (I'm using it so I know it by far doesn't work fine with recent Radeon HD cards)
[19:47] <mnemo> I got two jaunty and one intrepid... I keep email, irc and skype on intrepid just so I know I have something stable in case jaunty xorg is borked and I need to ssh into my real machine and grab stacktrace or something


[11:19] <mitya57> pitti: Thanks for sponsoring metacity, you said that we need to rebuild compiz, can you please do that?


[10:46] <TheVault> mstrzele: I just found this article on xvidcapture - http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/02/05/194332.php
[10:47] <budluva_> Woody_: all good now?
[10:47] <mstrzele> TheVault: on xvidcap's site are *.deb packages, http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/
[10:48] <mstrzele> TheVault: sorry, I can't check the links, I'm on the terminal without any browser (w3m or lynx...)
[10:49] <TheVault> mstrzele: Thnx, imma use xvidcap
[10:51] <shirish> mstrzele: then how are u talking to us, what application are u using to chat with us?
[10:54] <shirish> mstrzele: w3m is cool :p
[10:54] <mstrzele> shirish: irssi ;)
[10:55] <shirish> mstrzele: have to check it out also
[10:55] <mstrzele> shirish: i preffer links2
[10:55] <mstrzele> shirish: it's have something-like gui ;) you can use your mouse if U have installed gpm
[10:55] <shirish> mstrzele: would check that one out also
[10:56] <mstrzele> shirish: and it handles pages with javascript
[10:56] <greig_> where could i download some themes for feisty??
[10:56] <shirish> mstrzele: cool, you said if you have installed gpm, its not a dependency, a suggested package?
[10:57] <jfm3> I'm testing Feisty on my laptop and I'm not sure if I've found a bug or if I'm operating the UI stuipidly:  I get on the wireless network here, everything works, then I plug in the wired network, wireless access then goes away, which is fine, but eth1 (the wireless ix) starts showing up in the routing table later, and in general my network connectivity seems to pause from time to time.  Clues?
[10:57] <mstrzele> shirish: yes, suggested
[10:57] <shirish> mstrzele: this should have been in the package, oh well, would install that as well, its always good to have alternative browsers around, never know when the GUI goes out :)
[10:58] <mstrzele> shirish: the gui goes out if u install x-x-video-intel on laptop with intel gma 950 ;]
[10:59] <shirish> mstrzele: lol, I got that
[10:59] <lm_> hey could anybody hel me here? I just downloaded the fncychap.sty package to use with latex... where do i have to put the sty file?
[10:59] <shirish> mstrzele: have u already reported the bug?
[11:00] <mstrzele> shirish: yes, i've also attached Xorg.0.log
[11:00] <shirish> mstrzele: seems TheVault went off long time ago
[11:00] <shirish> mstrzele: perhaps x-session.errors would also be in order, I was asked for it
[11:00] <mstrzele> shirish: i think the problem is with dpi calculating and real screen size reporting by intel driver
[11:00] <lm_> anybody?
[11:00] <shirish> mstrzele: not much idea about that, noob here
[11:01] <mstrzele> shirish: me too
[11:02] <shirish> mstrzele: well but u seem better informed than me in this regard atleast
[11:02] <shirish> mstrzele: I have also been skipping the x.org mailing list but only just, most of the things are outta my reach
[11:03] <shirish> mstrzele: wow, links2 is cool
[11:03] <lupine_85> elinks is cooler :p
[11:04] <shirish> lupine_85: damn, one more lol :p
[11:04] <crdlb_> can elinks show images?
[11:04] <lupine_85> not AFAIK
[11:04] <crdlb_> links2>elinks :D
[11:04] <mstrzele> shirish: feisty is first release with which i'm thinking of leaving debian
[11:04] <shirish> mstrzele: that's sad to note :(
[11:04] <poningru> elinks++
[11:04] <poningru> for the js
[11:05] <shirish> mstrzele: or you mean leave debian & come to ubuntu ?
[11:05] <lupine_85> feisty is the first release that made me switch to debian :p
[11:05] <shirish> lol
[11:05] <shirish> poningru: as per mstrzele link2 also does javascript
[11:05] <poningru> uh... it does?
[11:05] <shirish> brb gotta make some coffee
[11:06] <shirish> poningru: yup supposedly it does
[11:06] <poningru> mstrzele: link?
[11:06] <mstrzele> shirish: yes, on everyday i'm using debian and freebsd ;)
[11:06] <lupine_85> just me
[11:07] <kadakas> when i try deleting something in Nautilus, I get this error message: "Not on the same file system"
[11:08] <soothsay> kadakas: Is it a warning or an error?
[11:08] <kadakas> is an error
[11:08] <shirish> mstrzele: ok cool
[11:08] <kadakas> i can delete the same file via terminal without no problems
[11:09] <kadakas> i've tried with multiple files
[11:09] <soothsay> kadakas: Can you shift-delete them?
[11:09] <mstrzele> poningru: links.twibright.com/features.php
[11:09] <kadakas> yes
[11:09] <kadakas> thank you
[11:09] <kadakas> that works
[11:09] <soothsay> kadakas: It's trying to move the files to the trash
[11:10] <soothsay> kadakas: It probably doesn't want to do that if the trash and the files are on different file-systems (probably very slow to move them)
[11:10] <kadakas> so its a "feature", not a bug ?
[11:10] <soothsay> kadakas: shift-delete really removes them (like rm)
[11:11] <soothsay> kadakas: Heh. AFAICT yes. If you had a mounted network filesystem you wouldn't want to move a large file to your local disk when you were trying to delete it.
[11:12] <kadakas> true
[11:12] <jhutchins> Does anyone have 1)Any USB Wireless card and B) A netgear WG111T working in either Edgy or Feisty?
[11:12] <davidw> what's happening with the ppc release of ubuntu... dead completely , or what?
[11:12] <TheSilentW> hello, can anyone help me with this http://pastebin.ca/445412 dont get any reply on #winehq :(
[11:12] <kadakas> davidw: ppc as in pocketpc ?
[11:12] <soothsay> kadakas: PowerPC
[11:12] <kadakas> k
[11:12] <davidw> yeah
[11:13] <soothsay> davidw: I remember hearing it was being discontinued.
[11:13] <davidw> yeah, that's what I recall too:-(
[11:13] <shirish> same here
[11:14] <soothsay> davidw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCReview
[11:14] <soothsay> davidw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SavePPC
[11:14] <shirish> not enough manpower I guess
[11:14] <davidw> yep
[11:14] <Woody_> people, how can i install my printer?
[11:14] <davidw> "in search of stupidity" has some good commentary on motorola's marketing of its chips:-/
[11:15] <richb> Woody_:system->administration->printing
[11:15] <soothsay> Woody_: Are you having a problem with System->Administration->Printing->Add Printer?
[11:16] <Woody_> it says: reading printer database and stops
[11:17] <shirish> that should have read not enough brainpower I guess
[11:17] <soothsay> davidw: I was wrong. PPC is not being discontinued. Just not officially supported
[11:17] <soothsay> davidw: "Removal of the PowerPC port entirely is not under consideration."
 The applications freezes?
[11:19] <Woody_> yes
[11:19] <Woody_> the applications freezed soothsay
[11:19] <Woody_> i think its working now
[11:19] <Woody_> it worked now soothsay, richb
[11:19] <Woody_> ah okay, easy
[11:20] <tomasz> Hello i've got a problem with cpu frequency scalling. Got 7.04 and C2D and seems not to work;/ Been searching the internet for 5 past days and I am a bit confused, anyone could help?
[11:21] <shirish> tomasz: I have heard you before, can u elaborate what do u mean by frequency scaling?
[11:21] <mon^rch> hey :) I got the emerald themer working with the new compiz :)
[11:22] <soothsay> shirish: I assume he means the power saving feature (primarily for laptops) of reducing CPU frequency
[11:22] <shirish> ah, that I read some bug on that today, didn't connect that with power scaling
[11:23] <tomasz> My cpu has speedstep so i guess it should go down to sth about 800Mhz (1Ghz? whatever) while idle and on battery. While the grub manager says that it cannot change /scale the cpu freq. I did enable laptop-mode
[11:23] <tomasz> Yeah, laptop :)
[11:23] <shirish> tomasz: did u check launchpad.net there is a bug-report written specifically on that
[11:24] <shirish> tomasz: there is also something on the wiki, saw it today but had been reading like anything the whole day so won't recall the links
[11:24] <shirish> tomasz: btw I'm a desktop user
[11:25] <iocaste> I'm a desktop user and use CPU frequency scaling. Although I set it up ages ago on Dapper and can't remember how I did it :(. Seems to be working OK on feisty for me
[11:25] <mon^rch> what package do Install again to get GL Desktop in my menu?
[11:25] <tomasz> shirish: I C. well i haven't checked that website. will do that now. anyway google doesn't know the answer, or i don;'t know how to ask :)
[11:26] <spike> hi there
[11:26] <shirish> tomasz: what I would suggest is looking at launchpad for the bug-report on similar lines
[11:26] <shirish> tomasz: failing that wiki.ubuntu.com , think there is a spec. workaround or something like that
[11:26] <atselby> i just did an update and now my sound died. any help?
[11:26] <spike> was updating feisty but it dies with the following error: http://paste.debian.net/25893
[11:26] <shirish> sorry can't help u much
[11:27] <spike> there seems to be something wrong with volumeid...
[11:27] <spike> running a raid system, no lvm
[11:27] <atselby> goddamn
[11:27] <atselby> hows the update affect the frciking sound
[11:29] <richb> It's beta, things go wrong:)
[11:29] <tomasz> shirish: THX i guess i found similar problem, hope i could find a solution
[11:29] <shirish> welcome
[11:30] <Woody_> from Fiesty beta to Fiesty Final, upgrading is easy? or i should burn the image file and reinstall it?
[11:30] <atselby> richb: i know but the update has nothing to do with sound...
[11:30] <|NewUser|> well how can i install opera ? is there opera in repo ?
[11:32] <richb> atselby: if you do system->preferences->sond what does it show you?
[11:32] <shirish> Woody_: I would recommend burning an image, and trying to upgrade using the CD as your upgrade path
[11:32] <atselby> richb: not loading. hold on.
[11:33] <atselby> richb: here we go.. selection for playback
[11:33] <shirish> Woody_: for it fails, you do have the option to install it from the CD itself
[11:33] <Woody_> shirish: my setting will be the same? or i will lose everything?
[11:33] <richb> atselby: Does it show your sound card there?
[11:33] <atselby> richb: set to auto detect on all but capture
[11:34] <Woody_> what is the best Bible reading software there?
[11:34] <shirish> Woody_: as always, its good to have backups, although you shouldn't have any major issues if you follow the correct procedure
[11:34] <richb> atselby: if you select the menu does it show the card in there?
[11:34] <Woody_> ah okay shirish, thanks for the infos
[11:34] <atselby> richb: i cant recall what card i have but it shwos a great deal...
[11:34] <atselby> richb; leme check the card.
[11:35] <atselby> wait. on autodetecct the test works. {richb{
[11:35] <richb> atselby: Mm, sounds like an application problem then, what were you using when it did not work?
[11:35] <atselby> richb: Firefox.
[11:36] <richb> atselby: I don't understand
[11:37] <atselby> richb: from a flash based script, the myspace music player.
[11:37] <atselby> richb: is there any option for plugins such as flash to paly sound?
[11:37] <richb> Ah I don't use Flash I am afraid.
[11:37] <atselby> okay well. ill search around.
[11:37] <atselby> i hadnt messed with sound prefs so.. Thanks though richb.
[11:37] <richb> NP.
[11:37] <N6REJ> has anyone gotten vmware-server to install in fiesty?  I can't seem to get it
[11:38] <|NewUser|> is there any opera for fiesty ?
[11:38] <atselby> richb: fixed in a firefox setting... musta been changed in an upgrade of some kind.. huhm
[11:41] <richb> atselby: All's well that ends well:-)
[11:44] <Woody_> does Google Earth work in Fiesty?
[11:44] <atselby> woody_: ive got it want me to try?
[11:44] <Woody_> if you have the time atselby
[11:45] <atselby> woody_: sure thing, i was wanting to test it through some anywho
[11:45] <Woody_> what are you using for compilation?
[11:45] <instabin> I upgraded 6.10 to 7.04 and when i used the restricted drives manager to install the nvidia driver it wont start x. Says it faild to load glx
[11:45] <Bebito> hi
[11:46] <atselby> woddy_: it just crashed for me..
[11:46] <Woody_> atselby, what are you using for compilation?
[11:46] <atiredmachine> So my system sometimes freezes up (but music keeps playing and I can still move my mouse) for a few seconds, but last time it did it it didn't come out of it.  I've checked my logs and memcheck86+
[11:46] <Woody_> ah :( atselby
[11:46] <atselby> woody: just crashed. and i dont recall exactly since it was installed back on edgy but.. think i got it right from the google site
[11:46] <richb> instabin: Could you post your xorg.conf somewhere?
[11:46] <atselby> woody_: it might work in a fresh install so i dunno. good luck though
[11:47] <Woody_> maybe with the final release it might work atselby
[11:47] <instabin> richb: yes but i modified to to use the nv driver so i could get it back up and running
[11:47] <atselby> hopefully.. It was a nice app.
[11:47] <richb> instabin: Could you post the Xorg.log too?
[11:47] <Woody_> yes, atselby :)
[11:48] <atiredmachine> Anybody have any ideas?
[11:49] <instabin> richb: pastebin.com is not working
[11:49] <instabin> richb do you have some where else i can paste it
[11:49] <Woody_> instabin: you can use: http://paste.uni.cc/
[11:50] <instabin> richb: here his the xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16172/
[11:50] <instabin> where is the xorg.log
[11:51] <|NewUser|> is there any version of opera browser in fiesty ?
[11:51] <richb> /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[11:51] <|NewUser|> !opera
[11:51] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[11:52] <Woody_> !poker
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:53] <instabin> richb: here his the xorg.log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16173/
[11:53] <Worrum> hello, i'm having NetworkManager/wpa_supplicant related troubles and i wonder if anyone were to help me
[11:53] <Woody_> does beryl/compiz slow up the pc?
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> no
[11:54] <cavediver> Hi.
[11:54] <instabin> Woddy_: slows my old athlon 1ghz with 512 mg and a 5700 geforce down a tiny bit
[11:54] <nomasteryoda> i'm using it on a dell laptop Woody_ and has 8mb video ram... you might see some issues with rendering movies and GL stuff, but you can simply turn off via the tray icon
[11:54] <cavediver> Where can i read more on the new "managent interface" for 7.04 server ?
[11:55] <Woody_> instabin: my 2.4GHZ 512 mg Geforce 4 also is slowed down
[11:55] <richb> instabin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2343056
[11:55] <Worrum> i can't seem to get NetworkManager start wpa_supplicant with a config, it just uses wext as driver and no config what so ever
[11:55] <cavediver> And will there be options for installing virtual machines in the installation ?
[11:55] <tomasz> I'm back all happy and cheering! After reading launchpad.net i've fixed it. Now there is a question where to report my solution to help others?
[11:55] <instabin> richb thanks
[11:55] <tomasz> I'm back all happy and cheering! After reading launchpad.net i've fixed it. Now there is a question where to report my solution to help others?
[11:56] <leth_> Hey hey, has anyone got time to help me with dvd playback?
[11:57] <leth_> I (think i) have the right mediubuntu stuff installed, but i can't get anything to play anything beyond the copyright disclaimer
[11:58] <atiredmachine> How do I get mysql to run at start up?
[11:59] <richb> atiredmachine: It should have an init script.
[11:59] <richb> /etc/init.d
[11:59] <atiredmachine> yeah, /etc/init.d/mysql start
[11:59] <atiredmachine> if I put that in the terminal it runs, but I always have to do it manually
[12:00] <richb> Ahh, you can do something like: sudo update-rc.d somescript defaults
[12:01] <richb> If you wish it to start at boot time.
[12:03] <Tom__g> hi all, anyone managed to get aiglx running with an r300/350 chipset? im getting crazy graphical curruption here
[12:04] <leth_> atiredmachine: forgive me if i'm completely wrong, but is it not under System - Administration - Services?
[12:04] <leth_> as Database something...
[12:04] <richb> Tom__g: ubuntu-effects might be better
[12:05] <Tom__g> richb : ok thanks ill try it
[12:05] <leth_> anyone able to give me some pointers on dvd playback?
[12:05] <HOT> hey folks, anyone have a bullet proof setup tutorial for vmware workstation on fiesty?
[12:07] <atiredmachine> leth_, you are very correct!  I wonder why it wasn't on by default.
[12:08] <leth_> hehe, for once the GUI way works :P :)
[12:09] <atoponce> i hear that feisty might be late? any truth behind the rumour?
[12:09] <mc44> it may be, it may not
[12:09] <mc44> there is no further information
[12:09] <Worrum> anyone know how to load a wpa_supplicant conf when using the NetworkManager?
[12:10] <richb> Going to go watch the cricket high(low)lights, nn all
[12:10] <atoponce> mc44: ok. just thought i'd check. it's got two days though, right... the 19th, i think?
[12:10] <mc44> atoponce: yep. There are final image candidates in testing atm
[12:11] <atoponce> mc44: cool. thx
[12:12] <leth_> I'm getting odd keyboard problems over vnc, anyone else?
[12:12] <leth_> i can't send pipes or some other chars
[12:12] <leth_> it's a windows client, but i remember it working fine before
[12:16] <VirhYl3> Installed updates, rebooted, lost the bar at the bottom with the clock and everything in it.
[12:17] <leth_> yup, same wierdness with an osx client
[12:17] <VirhYl3> Figured out how to boot Avant Dock thingy, so at least I can drive around.
[12:18] <VirhYl3> Actually, this is how I'd rather run, but I don't think it was supposed to crash like that.
[12:19] <CarlFK> is there an easy way to set feisty to connect wifi before a user logs in to X?
[12:20] <leth_> CarlFK: manually set the wireless settings?
[12:20] <leth_> CarlFK: System - Admin.. - Network
[12:22] <atiredmachine> Hey, so anybody got any ideas why my system freezes up occasionally (mouse still moves and music still plays, but nothing else budges).. usually lasts only a few seconds, usually while using Firefox, one time it didn't come out of it and alt-ctrl-d*'s didn't work or anything
[12:23] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.. so this is my all update and download packages there.. anyone can help ?


[00:31] <jamalta> I have a question regarding PPA's.. now, I understand the concept of PPA's but wouldn't it be useful to be able to somehow link PPA's to projects?
[00:31] <lifeless> it would indeed
[00:31] <jamalta> lifeless: is that something that is being planned at all? just curious
[00:33] <lifeless> I'm not tracking soyuz [the ppa area] closely enough to say. I encourage you to file a bug though.
[00:33] <jamalta> lifeless: oh! so that's what soyuz is
[00:33] <jamalta> ok thanks!
[00:37] <jamalta> there's 2 bugs that ask for this feature, awesome
[00:37] <lifeless> what are their numbers?
[00:37] <jamalta> #245183 and #205637
[00:38] <lifeless> bug #245183 bug #205637
[00:38] <jamalta> ah sorry, didn't know the bot expected "bug" before the #
[00:39] <lifeless> :)
[00:40] <lifeless> I've added a comment that they are likely a dupe
[00:40] <lifeless> thanks for spotting that
[00:40] <jamalta> lifeless: np
[06:38] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[08:16] <snaggen> I have problems with VCS-import for irssi-xmpp. It seems that there are some ssh-key or some CVS equivalent that needs to be accepted according to the log. Is this the place to get help?
[08:23] <spm> snaggen: ahh you're back; just as I was cursing you for leaving before I could respond. ;-) Yes!
[08:23] <snaggen> :)
[08:23] <snaggen> Lost my network
[08:23] <snaggen> got it back now
[08:25] <spm> snaggen: heh. we've all been there. So is this the one you're having issues with: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/irssi-xmpp/main
[08:25] <snaggen> yes
[08:25] <spm> sweet. oki. lemme fix that...
[08:25] <snaggen> great!
[08:28] <spm> actually - that's a cvs import; we normally only see those ones on SVN's.
[08:28] <spm> mwhudson: ^^ is the fix signififcantly different?
[08:29] <snaggen> spm: yes it is a cvs import... that is why I set it up to begin with, CVS is just a pain :)
[08:29] <mwhudson> spm: probably not
[08:29]  * mwhudson looks
[08:30] <spm> I'm assuming dupe the cvs cmd from the log; run that and manualy accept on the importds
[08:31] <mwhudson> spm: yep
[08:31] <mwhudson> spm: though "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is probably enough
[08:31] <spm> yup. added to known_hosts. easy. will update the docco...
[08:31]  * spm waves away that which is more useful ;-)
[08:32]  * mwhudson mumbles something like CheckHostIP no
[08:33] <spm> la la la la I can't hear your mumbling la la la
[08:34] <spm> bother galapagos has a diff known_hosts to the other two.
[08:36] <spm> about to manually kill the existing hung import; and kick it off again.
[08:39] <spm> mwhudson: what the... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32771033/irssi-xmpp-main-log.txt ? when I manually ran the cvs it was working. ???
[08:47] <mwhudson> spm: odd
[09:21] <timClicks> is there a way to configure mailing lists to default to reply to the list, rather than the sender?
[09:25] <jtv> timClicks: I don't know, but may I recommend against doing that?  It leads to trouble time and again.
[09:30] <timClicks> jtv: :) indeed, but it's a realatively tight knit group
[09:31] <jtv> timClicks: the person who knows everything about mailing lists is barry
[09:31] <timClicks> we're just a bit rushed atm, I think - attempting to coordinate response to some of the disasters in asia/pacific
[09:32] <timClicks> see http://tr.im/nz_sahana_cluster and https://launchpad.net/~sahana-nz
[09:40] <mrevell> *** Launchpad Code Hosting going offline between 10am and 10.30am UTC for a hardware upgrade. ***
[10:55] <bialix> hi, personal page on LP now has 2 links: Related software and Related projects. But both shown the same information. What's the reason?
[10:57] <wgrant> bialix: 'Related software' will also show packages if you have any associated.
[11:10] <bialix> ah
[11:11] <bialix> I've missed that because I've no packages
[11:11] <bialix> thanks
[11:14] <lodder> If you do a translation for example from english to dutch does the po file appears in the trunk of the newly translated language
[11:14] <bialix> lodder: by default: no
[11:27] <mac_v> hi... is bzr down?
[11:28] <mrevell> mac_v: See the channel topic.
[11:28] <mac_v> oh!
[11:28] <mac_v> mrevell: thanks ;)
[12:08] <lodder> If you do a translation for example from english to dutch does the po file appears in the trunk of the newly translated language
[12:11] <jtv> lodder: a language doesn't have a trunk
[12:11] <lodder> ok
[12:11] <jtv> but the language will start showing up in the full lists of translations for that template.
[12:12] <lodder> but I mean how to get the language po file in the trunk
[12:12] <jtv> Just start translating and it will appear magically.
[12:12] <lodder> jtv: I translated already but isn't appearing in the trunk
[12:12] <jtv> lodder: do you have a URL for me?
[12:13] <jtv> Also, have you set your preferred languages?  Some listings only show languages that you have selected.
[12:13] <jtv> Whoops, have to run; back in a few
[12:22] <lodder>  jtv hi
[12:23] <lodder> I have to Set translations export branch when i give in my branch lp:time-drive i get invalid value
[12:29] <lodder> jtv: ^ ^
[12:36] <JanC> huh, why does "Report a bug" on the launchpad page for a project outside Ubuntu redirect me to a wiki page that explains how to file bugs in Ubuntu?
[12:38] <JanC> oh, no, they pointed to the ubuntu package bugs on their home page, sorry
[12:44] <jtv> lodder: have you tried the UI for finding & selecting the branch?  There may be some mistake in the format of the URL
[12:49] <lodder> jtv: yes
[12:49] <lodder> it can't find thing
[12:49] <jtv> lodder: then maybe you're not the owner of that branch?
[12:49] <lodder> no i'm not the owner but I can do everyting else
[12:50] <lodder> i'm in the owner group
[12:50] <lodder> jtv: you know anything about qt ui files to translate to po files
[12:52] <jtv> lodder: no, I'm not a QT person...  About the branch: it needs to be a branch that you own.  We have a bug open for allowing branches where the owner is a team you're a member of, but for now, you'll have to set ownership to yourself; select the branch for export; and then set ownership back to the team.
[12:54] <lodder> yea i know but i make a separate branch
[12:55] <lodder> jtv: you know somebody might know?
[12:58] <jtv> lodder: I'm asking around for someone who knows about QT UI files.
[12:58] <lodder> ok thx
[12:58] <lodder> jtv: can i instead of rosetta do the export do the export manually?
[12:59] <miha> i wonder how to properly translate singular/plural forms
[12:59] <miha> such as	 %sRemoved: %d director$y|ies$, %d file$|s$, %d symlink$|s$
[12:59] <jtv> lodder: if you like... but what exactly is the problem now with the branch exports?  Did you try changing the owner to yourself first?
[12:59] <booooooooooooooo> what is thsi channel is ?
[13:00] <jtv> lodder: Riddell here might know
[13:00] <miha> anyone?
[13:00] <jtv> miha: there are two separate English strings for singular and plural
[13:00] <booooooooooooooo> hey what is launchpad
[13:00] <lodder> hi Riddell , do you know something about qt ui and translation?
[13:00] <miha> jtv is that reference to another translation
[13:00] <miha> or i just write singular, plural endings?
[13:00] <Riddell> lodder: a bit, what's the question?
[13:00] <miha> in my language
[13:00] <jtv> miha: it may be easier to have an example... what language is that?
[13:01] <miha> slovenian, form of slavic
[13:01] <miha> for singular i'd say Odstranjeno: %d imenik
[13:01] <miha> for plural
[13:01] <miha> Odstranjeno: %d imenikov
[13:01] <lodder> wel i need to know how to get ui files to translate and back I found out I could you use pylupdate4 and lconvert to get the po files
[13:01] <jtv> Ah, I believe that's what my grandma spoke.
[13:01] <miha> jtv really?
[13:01] <miha> :)
[13:01] <miha> #ubuntu-si be good grandson :)
[13:01] <jtv> miha: not sure, because I don't speak it myself.  But anyway,
[13:02] <Riddell> lodder: what translation method are you using?  Qt, plain gettext or KDE?
[13:02] <miha> so my guess would be
[13:02] <lodder> riddel i use po files so i thinkg it's gettext
[13:02] <miha> Odstranjeno: %d imenik$|ov$
[13:02] <lodder> it's for use in rosetta
[13:03] <miha> imenik for singular, imenikov for plural?
[13:03] <jtv> miha: (sorry, several conversations at the same time here)
[13:03] <miha> no problem
[13:03] <miha> i'll wait
[13:03] <miha> i dont want to have my name under some n00b mess
[13:03] <Riddell> lodder: how are you loading the .ui file?  by compiling to python or loading at runtime?
[13:03] <jtv> miha: you get two strings in English, and for Slovenian, there is a plural formula that says "if X == 1, use translation form 0.  Otherwise, use form 1."
[13:04] <miha> well actually it is more complicated than that :)
[13:04] <lodder> by compiling to py with pyrcc
[13:04] <miha> 1,2,3-4, 5-more
[13:04] <miha> but let's say we survive your english centric ways
[13:04] <jtv> miha: me, English-centric?  Ha!
[13:04] <miha> :)
[13:05] <miha> first we have dual form
[13:05] <miha> 2 is special case
[13:05] <jtv> miha: ah I see now; I thought sl had 3 forms and then I thought you said it had only 2, but it has 4
[13:05] <miha> about only language beside sanskrt that has it
[13:05] <jtv> miha: the plural expression is (n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2 ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0)
[13:05] <miha> but cause word endings match counting word
[13:05] <jtv> miha: which form is which is shown here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+languages/sl
[13:05] <miha> 3-4 are special cases for most sentences
[13:05] <miha> 5 is definetly plural
[13:06] <jtv> miha: now, for a string that has a number in it the English has two forms, but you translate to these 4 forms for different values of the number.
[13:06] <lodder> Riddell: by compiling to py with pyrcc
[13:06] <miha> jtv that's yet another stuff
[13:06] <miha> ordering counting words
[13:06] <miha> 101st
[13:06] <miha> sto-prvi (hundred first)
[13:07] <Riddell> lodder: pyuic you mean?p
[13:07] <jtv> miha: most of this doesn't matter to LP or gettext because it only knows to create "an array of translations" for the different forms that such a message can take.
[13:07] <lodder> Riddell: yea my bad
[13:07] <miha> jtv sure, but at the moment i'm lost how technically do that :)
[13:07] <miha> hehe
[13:08] <jtv> miha: in the Launchpad UI?  Or in gettext files?
[13:08] <miha> launchpad?
[13:08] <Riddell> lodder: pyuic will use Qt's translation method which isn't gettext and isn't supported by rosetta (or anything except Qt)
[13:08] <lodder> Riddell: do you know a way where i could make use of gettext?
[13:08] <Riddell> lodder: I tend to load uic files are runtime and overload the translation method to do translations with gettext
[13:08] <Riddell> lodder: I'm currently looking for an example
[13:09] <miha> i see topic on #ubuntu-si about launchpad translator's "party"
[13:09] <miha> for some release, right? :)
[13:09] <jtv> miha: don't know, you should ask in an Ubuntu channel.  :)
[13:10] <miha> jtv for now, help me with example
[13:10] <jtv> miha: digging one up right now
[13:10] <lodder> Riddell: that would be nice, if it could get it figured out
[13:10] <miha> 	 %sRemoved: %d director$y|ies$, %d file$|s$, %d symlink$|s$
[13:10] <jtv> miha: pretty far out for an example
[13:11] <miha> Odstranjeno: %d imenik$|ov$, %d datotek$a|$, %d simbolčn$a|ih$ povezav$a|$
[13:11] <miha> i get the easier ones just well
[13:11] <miha> for singular gotta be imen, datoteka, simbolična povezava
[13:11] <jtv> miha: remember, separate strings.  In English, singular: "Removed: %d directory" and plural: "Removed: %d directories"
[13:11] <miha> imenik, datoteka, simbolična povezava
[13:12] <miha> for plural imenikov, datotek, simboličnih povezav
[13:12] <miha> that's gotta come out of it
[13:12] <jtv> miha: you would translate that combination to 4 separate versions of that entire string
[13:12] <miha> did i guess format fine?
[13:12] <jtv> miha: hang on, still looking for a practical example
[13:13] <miha> it's like $|s$ just endings are a bit longer than that :)
[13:13] <jtv> miha: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/expono/trunk/+pots/expono/sl/247/+translate
[13:14] <jtv> miha: under Slovenian[0] you translate "%d followers" for numbers 5, 6 etc.
[13:15] <jtv> miha: under Slovenian[1] you translate the same string for numbers like 1 and 101.
[13:15] <jtv> miha: under Slovenian[2] you again translate the whole string for numbers 2, 102 etc.
[13:15] <miha> jtv i told you this is about ordering, not counting
[13:15] <miha> for counting there are cases 1,2, 3-4, 5-more
[13:16] <miha> for ordering these numbers are valid
[13:16] <miha> 101 imenikov, 5 imenikov
[13:16] <miha> 1 imenik
[13:16] <miha> 2 imenika
[13:16] <miha> 3 imeniki, 4 imeniki
[13:16] <miha> 5 imenikov
[13:16] <miha> 101 imenikov
[13:16] <jtv> miha: so you're saying the choice of forms is not correct for Slovenian?
[13:16] <miha> it is perfectly correct for
[13:17] <miha> 1st folder, 2nd folder, 3rd folder, 101st folder
[13:17] <Riddell> lodder: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/282949/
[13:17] <miha> we are small nation and understand we gotta live by what we have :)
[13:18] <Riddell> lodder: so that's replacing the uic.properties.Properties._string method with one of our own which changes how translations are looked up
[13:18] <miha> jtv i might be ignorant about senior decisions in ubuntu slo community
[13:18] <Riddell> lodder: the last line shows how to load a ui file at runtime
[13:18] <Riddell> lodder: do you know how to use gettext?
[13:18] <jtv> miha: I don't think this has much to do with ubuntu; it's probably a choice made somewhere upstream, e.g. gnome.
[13:19] <miha> jtv: i can live with just cases 1 and plural (2,3,4 dont sound with plural for 5 or more)
[13:19] <miha> dont sound too bad
[13:19] <miha> so english style plural would do
[13:19] <miha> it would be a bit wrong for 2,3,4 but we can live with tht :)
[13:20] <jtv> miha: so for ordering you've got separate forms for 1 and 101?
[13:20] <miha> ordering is much like english
[13:20] <miha> prvi (first) sto-prvi (hunder-first)
[13:20] <miha> hundred-first
[13:20] <miha> drugi sto-drugi
[13:20] <miha> 2nd one hundred second
[13:21] <jtv> miha: gettext of course doesn't know or care whether you're ordering or counting... are you saying you have separate forms for 1 and 101?
[13:21] <miha> no look for counting 101 comes under 5 or more
[13:21] <jtv> miha: so the forms are separate for 1 and 101.
[13:22] <miha> oh
[13:22] <miha> i'm wrong
[13:22] <idnar> they're separate in English, too
[13:22] <miha> sto-en vojak, sto-dva vojaka sto-trije vojaki, sto-pet vojakov
[13:22] <lodder> Riddell: well i don't know much about getttexty
[13:22] <lodder> Riddell: well i don't know much about getttext
[13:22] <miha> jtv damn i'm not so sure about my language lol
[13:23] <miha> i studied much more english grammar than slovenian grammar :9
[13:23] <idnar> 1st item / 101st item for ordering, 1 item / 101 items for counting
[13:23] <jtv> miha: please don't throw the Slovenian text at me; I can't read it anyway and I have a lot of things to deal with at the same time.
[13:23] <miha> sorry jtv
[13:23] <miha> back to my original question
[13:23] <jtv> miha: so as idnar points out, if the problem is with 1st and 101st, it's probably not an issue for the translations.
[13:24] <idnar> jtv: it seems like the %100 rule you mentioned earlier only makes sense for ordering
[13:24] <miha> such as	 %sRemoved: %d director$y|ies$, %d file$|s$, %d symlink$|s$
[13:24] <idnar> I don't understand how any of this fits together, though
[13:25] <jtv> idnar: I didn't mention a rule, just trying to match what miha is saying to the plural formula  :-)
[13:25] <lodder> Riddell: I don't really understand it then how to get the po file, this is how i make use of it now http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~time-drive-devel/time-drive/trunk/annotate/head%3A/timedrive/app.py
[13:25] <idnar> < jtv> miha: the plural expression is (n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2 ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0)
[13:25] <idnar> sorry, that's what I meant by "rule"
[13:25] <miha> idnar so i write 4 forms in this translation
[13:25] <miha> or two? :)
[13:26] <jtv> idnar: ah :-)
[13:26] <jtv> miha: you always write 4
[13:26] <miha> jtv ahh ok, interesting, thx!
[13:26] <jtv> miha: because gettext only knows how to do 1 thing: look up the right form for the number it gets.
[13:26] <idnar> the english version only has 2 forms
[13:26] <idnar> so I don't understand
[13:26] <jtv> Based on that one formula that idnar just quoted.
[13:26] <miha> jtv i get it yes
[13:27] <miha> idnar this would work if you translate 1st, 101st, 2nd 102nd
[13:27] <miha> idnar in this case i guess it applies to english
[13:27] <jtv> idnar, implementation trivia: right around the time we hard-coded 4 forms in LP to solve performance problems, the Arabic team was deciding (we found out later) that they needed 6 forms, not 4.  :)
[13:27] <idnar> sure, but "%sRemoved: %d director$y|ies$, %d file$|s$, %d symlink$|s$" doesn't have 4 forms as far as I can tell
[13:28] <jtv> idnar: it might in some languages
[13:28] <idnar> so clearly I'm missing something
[13:28] <idnar> does the last form always get used for "missing" forms, or something?
[13:28] <idnar> actually, that doesn't make sense either
[13:29] <miha> idnar: i'd guess it is about 'st, nd, rd, th' for odering in english
[13:29] <idnar> there must be some way that a different plural is invoked
[13:29] <miha> 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
[13:29] <jtv> And the answer for that seems to be "don't do it."  :)
[13:29] <idnar> because it wouldn't make any sense to display "101 directory" in English
[13:29] <miha> 101st directory?
[13:29] <miha>  101th directory?
[13:29] <idnar> so something must be informing gettext whether to use counting or ordering formula
[13:30] <jtv> idnar: there is no ordering formula
[13:30] <idnar> (n%100==1 ? 1 : n%100==2 ? 2 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 3 : 0) only makes sense for ordering, as far as I can tell
[13:30] <jtv> In fact off the top of my head I can't of any other languages besides English where this matters when writing numbers in their digit forms.
[13:30] <miha> idnar actually in slovenian word endings kinda match counting word ending
[13:31] <idnar> I don't see how that formula could ever let you achieve correct results for counting in english
[13:31] <miha> jtv: i learned 1st and stuff in school :)
[13:31] <idnar> because it selects the same form for 1 and for 101
[13:31] <miha> idnar how do you say 101th.. or one hundred first
[13:31] <idnar> miha: 101st
[13:32] <idnar> but the string you were trying to translate has counting, not ordering
[13:32] <miha> en vojak (one soldier) sto en vojak (one hundred one soldier)
[13:32] <idnar> and I would assume there are plenty of examples of counting in many different applications
[13:33] <miha> pet vojakov (five soldiers) sto pet vojakov (hundred five soldiers)
[13:33] <idnar> what I'm saying is, I don't know anything about gettext or rosetta or whatever
[13:33] <miha> dva vojaka (two soldiers) sto dva vojaka (hundred two soldiers)
[13:33] <idnar> but if that formula is always applied, then english strings using counting would always be wrong
[13:33] <miha> see how word ending of 'vojak'
[13:33] <miha> -zero, -a
[13:34] <miha> i must say vojaka if %d is 2 or 102 or...
[13:34] <miha> not vojak
[13:34] <miha> or vojakov
[13:34] <idnar> miha: sure, I'm just talking about the English case
[13:34] <miha> ok
[13:34] <miha> so thx for answers, 4 forms :)
[13:35] <miha> in old days
[13:35] <miha> we just used english plural for everything
[13:35] <miha> it was least bad option :)
[13:35] <lodder> Riddell: still here?
[13:35] <miha> 1 files isnt as bad as 100 file
[13:36] <Riddell> lodder: oh aye, gettext
[13:36] <lodder> I tried it with the loadui but it fails
[13:37] <lodder> Riddell: I have no clue how I could do it it's a nice example but what about the po files,
[13:38] <Riddell> here's loading gettext and settings the translation domain (i.e. the name of the .po file) http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/
[13:39] <mat_t> beuno: I'm trying to add a comment to bug #77010 and I'm getting a following error:Error
[13:39] <mat_t> The following errors were encountered:
[13:39] <mat_t>     * Object: , name: u'dead-ayatana'
[13:39] <lodder> Riddell: what is the paste id?
[13:40] <Riddell> lodder: sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/282966/
[13:41] <lodder> Riddell: I'm completly lost now :(
[13:42] <Riddell> lodder: for turning .ui files into .pot files in KDE we have a script called  extractrc then use xgettext
[13:42] <mat_t> beuno: ok, the comment has actually been added, even though I was getting the error
[13:42] <Riddell> lodder:
[13:42] <lodder> Riddell: ok
[13:42] <Riddell> lodder: translations are like this, you get lost in all the little things that need done
[13:43] <lodder> Riddell: yea
[13:43] <lodder> a bit of help would be welcome and it's my first time i'm doing soemthing like this
[13:43] <Riddell> lodder: you need to do three things  1) turn .ui file into .pot file  2) get your app using gettext  3) load the .ui file at runtime translating strings with gettext as it does so
[13:43] <lodder> Riddell: you call the _(str)?
[13:44] <Riddell> lodder: you call  _("foo") any time there's a user visible string to be translated
[13:44] <Riddell> maybe you don't have any in your code if they're all in the .ui  file
[13:44] <lodder> Riddell: could help me if i send you my code?
[13:44] <lodder> so i can learn by example?
[13:46] <lodder> Riddell: I have in my code it's with threads and all but If I put the _(str) in a __init__.py can all py files under the folder make use of it?
[13:48] <lodder> Riddell: or do i put it in each file that uses _()
[13:49] <Riddell> lodder: should work in __init__.py
[13:49] <Riddell> lodder: http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/Messages.sh?view=markup is an example KDE style script to geneate the .pot file, you run it with extract-messages.sh
[13:50] <beuno> mat_t, doesn't sounds very good, but it also sounds like dead-ayatana is the wrong project?
[13:52] <lodder> Riddell: i don't have extract-messages.sh
[13:54] <Riddell> lodder: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=extract-messages.sh&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[13:58] <lodder> Riddell: ok the extract message is thus purly kde,
[14:00] <lodder> Riddell: could I ask you a favour? I know you helped me already a lot but could you halp me modify this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~time-drive-devel/time-drive/trunk/annotate/head%3A/timedrive/app.py for the translation?
[14:00] <mat_t> beuno: hm, you can go ahead and try for yourself - see if you get the same error https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/77010
[14:00] <lodder> Riddell: thx in advance
[14:02] <Riddell> lodder: did you get the .pot file generated?
[14:03] <lodder> Riddell: no not yet but I have a pot file from the normal py files already
[14:03] <lodder> I need to make a second one
[14:04] <Riddell> lodder: did  you get the .ui file loading at runtime?
[14:04] <lodder> Riddell: no, there for the link so you can show me with my code I understand
[14:05] <beuno> mat_t, is that the original URL you added the comment in?
[14:05] <mat_t> yes
[14:05] <beuno> mat_t, adding a comment worked just fine
[14:05] <mat_t> hm, ok then
[14:05] <mat_t> :)
[14:05] <beuno> mat_t, still, the error handlig is bad
[14:05] <mat_t> well, yes
[14:05] <beuno> so that we will fix in the lazr-js sprint before UDS
[14:05] <beuno> that's one of the focuses of the sprint
[14:06] <Riddell> lodder: well what's the issue?  instead of the self.ui = Ui_MainWindow() self.ui.setupUi(self) lines  you want a uic.loadUi("myfile.ui", self) line
[14:07] <lodder> ah ok
[14:07] <lodder> I'll try it at one
[14:09] <lodder> Riddell: when I do uic.loadUi("myfile.ui", self) the self.ui isn't working any more
[14:10] <lodder> Riddell: and from messages.sh $EXTRACTRC is empty here
[14:10] <lodder> i use gnome at the moment
[14:11] <Riddell> lodder: true self.ui will change, you can do  self.ui = self  for a quick fix
[14:12] <lodder> Riddell: and with out a quick fix
[14:12] <Riddell> lodder: sed s/self.ui/self/
[14:13] <Riddell> lodder: extract-messages.sh doesn't set $EXTRACTRC?
[14:13] <lodder> no
[14:13] <lodder> but I have fixed it ok
[14:13] <lodder> now I have that working and the ui is read form the file
[14:15] <lodder> Riddell: do I need to change anything to my setup.py so it takes the ui files with it?
[14:15] <lodder> and what about http://paste.ubuntu.com/282949/ how do i implemented it?
[14:16] <Riddell> lodder: yes you'll need to tell setup.py to install somewhere sensible.  /usr/share/<appname>/file.ui is sensible,  then point uic.loadUi at the version there
[14:17] <Riddell> lodder: do you have the gettext stuff in?
[14:17] <lodder> Riddell: ok, and I have a qrc file also
[14:17] <lodder> do you have the gettext stuff in? what do you mean
[14:24] <lodder> Riddell: when i do the uic I lost all my icons :(
[14:25] <Riddell> lodder: shrug, I don't know how your icons are loaded, maybe the .qrc file has to be in the same place as the .ui file
[14:31] <mat_t> beuno: ha, got the same error again
[14:33] <beuno> mat_t, screenshot?
[14:33] <beuno> on the same bug?
[14:34] <mat_t> beuno: yes, on a different machine
[14:36] <beuno> mat_t, so maybe there's a problem in LP
[14:36] <beuno> maybe deryck can look at oops reports
[14:36] <mat_t> beuno: will send you a screenshot
[14:37] <beuno> mat_t, thanks
[14:37] <deryck> beuno, can you point me at a bug or something to catch me up to the discussion?
[14:37] <beuno> deryck,
[14:37] <beuno> 07:39 < mat_t> beuno: I'm trying to add a comment to bug #77010 and I'm getting a following error:Error
[14:37] <beuno> 07:39 < mat_t> The following errors were encountered:
[14:37] <beuno> 07:39 < mat_t>     * Object: , name: u'dead-ayatana'
[14:37] <deryck> ah, good ol' dead-ayatana
[14:45] <mat_t> beuno: sent
[14:47] <deryck> mat_t, are you trying to comment while changing the bugtask table on the bug?
[14:50] <mat_t> deryck: no
[14:51] <deryck> mat_t, ok, thanks.  I'm looking into it now.
[14:51] <deryck> mat_t, can you or beuno fwd me the screenshot?
[14:52] <mat_t> deryck: email?
[14:52] <deryck> mat_t, deryck.hodge at canonical.
[15:07] <deryck> mat_t, let me rephrase my earlier question -- did you try to submit you comment from the comment form at the bottom of the page, or the form at the top that is revealed when you click the triangle icon?
[15:25] <matsubara> Ursinha, Chex, rockstar, bigjools, danilo__, sinzui, allenap: LP production meeting in 35 min at #launchpad-meeting. If you're a TL and can't make the meeting, please send someone to cover for you. Thanks
[15:26] <sinzui> barry: can you take my place in the Launchpad production merit meeting
[16:16] <rowinggolfer> I am desperately seeking a mentor to help me use the translations feature of launchpad for my project.
[16:16] <rowinggolfer> I have got as far as creating a *.po file.
[16:17] <rowinggolfer> however, the app uses qt. (pyqt to be precise)
[16:17] <rowinggolfer> perhaps a kubuntu dev could tell me if *.ts files and *.po are compatible or convertible?
[16:18] <matsubara> Ursinha, can you help rowinggolfer?
[16:18] <Ursinha> matsubara, I don't know how to help him :/
[16:18] <Ursinha> henninge, do you know?
[16:20] <henninge> rowinggolfer: I am sorry, I cannot help you there. Maybe jtv could but you couldn't you also ask for help in the kubuntu channel?
[16:21] <rowinggolfer> matsubara: Ursinha, no worries. i have volunteers to do Spanish and now French
[16:21] <rowinggolfer> henninge: will do.
[16:21] <henninge> rowinggolfer: I understand correctly, that you have not yet been able to create a .po/.pot file?
[16:22] <rowinggolfer> no, I have made a .po file for a small part of the gui.
[16:22] <rowinggolfer> qt-designer created it
[16:23] <henninge> rowinggolfer: so is your question about how to get it into Launchpad?
[16:23] <henninge> There I could help.
[16:23] <rowinggolfer> yes.
[16:24] <matsubara> thanks henninge and Ursinha
[16:25] <rowinggolfer> henninge: my major concern is wasting people's time.
[16:26] <rowinggolfer> having a Spanish and French version of the app is of little to no concern of me... but I wouldn't want someone to spend hours creating a translation I can't use.
[16:26] <rowinggolfer> and it was a bit of a hack getting this one *.po file
[16:26] <rowinggolfer> heaven knows if I could utilise a *.pot
[16:35] <henninge> rowinggolfer: the po file that you get extracted from your source code is called a PO template, hence name .pot.
[16:37] <henninge> rowinggolfer: If you want to have your app translated in Launchpad, you will still read up on how the whole localization process works.
[16:38] <henninge> rowinggolfer: you'll find information on our help wiki: https://help.launchpad.net/
[16:39] <henninge> rowinggolfer: but that does not explain the part that needs to be done on your side to get the template out of the software and the translations back in.
[16:39] <henninge> rowinggolfer: reading up on gettext might be a good start.
[16:39] <henninge> but I have to go now, sorry.
[16:53] <ikanobori> Dear sirs, how do I make Launchpad recognize me when I commit.
[16:54] <ikanobori> (my ssh key is saved at Launchpad)
[16:54] <beuno> ikanobori, make sure that your commit identity has your email
[16:54] <beuno> (bzr whoami)
[16:54] <beuno> and that you have that email address registered in Launchpad
[16:55] <ikanobori> beuno: Aha, thanks :-)
[16:55] <beuno> mrevell, kfogel, we should make this more obvious  ^
[16:55] <ikanobori> And how to set my identity?
[16:55] <beuno> *somehow*
[16:56] <ikanobori> Ah, found it.
[17:04] <rowinggolfer> I know henninge is away, but I fear he is wrong that *.po == *.pot
[17:04] <rowinggolfer> .po I can make.
[17:04] <rowinggolfer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erowinggolfer/openmolar/trunk/revision/368/src/openmolar/translations/main.po
[17:04] <rowinggolfer> but that's no blinking use to anyone.
[17:05] <rowinggolfer> unless I am missing something here?
[17:05] <rowinggolfer> is the english .po == .pot ?
[17:06] <rowinggolfer> reading from https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject BTW.
[17:07] <rowinggolfer> either way, mine got rejected :(
[17:08] <matsubara> rowinggolfer, I think po is a file for a specific language while pot is the template
[17:10] <Meths> I thought a pot compiled to a po, so being similar to a ts compiling to a qm in PyQt?  I haven't found any PyQt i18n literature that mentions po or pot though.
[17:10] <matsubara> rowinggolfer, so from what little I understand from this issue, I think you need some way for your application to generate a .pot file which you then upload to LP. LP will generate .po files for each language available and then translation volunteers will use the po file to translate your software in their languages
[17:11] <matsubara> that's my understanding of it and of course I might be wrong and would be happy to be corrected :-)
[17:12] <matsubara> rowinggolfer, so since the Translations guys who can help you out are not around atm, I suggest you to ask in https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion
[17:13] <matsubara> rowinggolfer, once you ask there, let me know the question URL and I'll assign to someone who can definitely answer that for you.
[17:19] <rowinggolfer> matsubara: thanks.
[17:19] <rowinggolfer> found my answer now http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#Template
[17:19] <rowinggolfer> xgettext creates a file named domainname.po. You should then rename it to domainname.pot.
[17:20] <rowinggolfer> it then goes on to explain why it doesn't... for "historical reasons" do that outa the box :(
[17:21] <matsubara> rowinggolfer, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/6274 and https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/35181 might help you out as well
[17:22] <rowinggolfer> matsubara: thanks.
[17:23] <rowinggolfer> Actually, for my app, the gnu way is better than the qt way.
[17:23] <rowinggolfer> I think I'm done. thanks all.
[17:23] <matsubara> rowinggolfer, sure, np. :-)
[21:38] <DKcross> hello people , i have problem with bzr
[21:39] <matsubara> DKcross, what problem/
[21:39] <DKcross> matsubara,
[21:39] <DKcross> !paste
[21:40] <DKcross> matsubara, http://paste.ubuntu.com/283297/
[21:41] <DKcross> run update, how?
[21:41] <Meths> bzr update
[21:42] <matsubara> thanks Meths :-)
[21:43] <DKcross> mmm but
[21:44] <DKcross> yes i was runing this command
[21:44] <DKcross> :\
[21:45] <DKcross> Meths,  matsubara  thanks
[21:46] <Meths> You're welcome.
[21:46] <Meths> matsubara: :)