[06:57] <sintez> anny
[17:04] <faLUCE> hello. touchpad on my dell inspiron mini is not working properly. More precisely, lubuntu sees the lower part of the touchpad (where there are the two buttons) like the remaining part, so it mixes buttons and mouse movement... how can I fix that?
 @faLUCE [<faLUCE> hello. touchpad on my dell inspiron mini is not working properly. More …], Umm. That's wierd. Which lubuntu version?
[17:56] <faLUCE> the version is 18.10
 @faLUCE [<faLUCE> the version is 18.10], Ohh. I don't have much idea. Wait someone here will respond soon.
 Test with 19.04
[19:03] <wxl> @faLUCE: you should try using libinput (or less preferably synaptics) to try to tweak it to make it behave well
[19:10] <bobish> coming over from another mini-ish distro, lubuntu is missing some of the most basic things - i.e. drag-n-drop from ark, WTF?
[19:11] <wxl> bobish: so you're saying ark behaves differently in other distros?
[19:13] <bobish> I am saying i can drag-n-drop in ##place-name-here## distro from an archive manager to either a) said file manager they use OR b) the desktop
[19:14] <wxl> so then, your complaint is not about the distro but about the software contained therein
[19:14] <wxl> have you tried 19.04?
[19:15] <wxl> or well, maybe you are on 19.04
[19:16] <bobish> here is the deal - there are untold number of "linux distros" (i understand distro is not the correct term but the VAST majority of people would go with that term). there HAS to be some unity between them, if you can't even get Drag'n'drop down - dont be a "distro"
[19:18] <wxl> i would call that expectation not entirely unreasonable just not particularly realistic
[19:18] <bobish> again, i understand they dont make the shell of the desktop - it is not a kick to the creators of the distro
[19:19] <bobish> well - maybe it is, get the DND in your distro - there are literally no more resources it would take and it is completely expected in any desktop in place today
[19:20] <wxl> this is not a decision for the distro, but for ark itself
[19:20] <bobish> ark would not be in charge of the actual DND action
[19:21] <wxl> were that to be true, then it would be a quetion for the file manager. still not the distro.
[19:21] <bobish> that is an interaction between the "desktop" and the package manager
[19:22] <wxl> yep, it's a file manager "problem" https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393594
[19:22] <wxl> a rather annoying one in that they would have to write specific code just for ark
[19:23] <wxl> the desktop is manager by the file manager in our case, by the way
[19:24] <bobish> "other applications". this is exactly the reason why "open source" does not work in the general public.
[19:24] <bobish> people expect things to work
[19:24] <bobish> when they dont, they expect them to be fixed
[19:24] <bobish> and when they are not fixed, they leave
[19:24] <wxl> yes, like with windows being riddled with viruses
[19:25] <bobish> i hate that argument, so if linux were controlling 97% of consumer desktops, you dont think there would be linux viruses?
[19:26] <wxl> it's plausibe
[19:26] <bobish> be better wxl
[19:26] <wxl> i mean there's also the consideration that the code is open source so it's actually easier to write malware for
[19:26] <wxl> and since the vast majority of servers are linux, it would seem these would be much better targets for the likes of botnets
[19:27] <bobish> i dont play that game, i play the game of it is the most used and more people would target it. if you can find holes in closed systems of course you could find holes in open systems
[19:27] <wxl> you can more easily find holes in open systems
[19:29] <bobish> BUT COME on, fine i will even concede that it is "ark" that is the problem
[19:29] <bobish> the problem is not the distro, it the "problem"
[19:29] <wxl> well, it's arguably either ark or pcmanfm-qt
[19:29] <bobish> then frickin put in a package manager that supports DND....
[19:29] <wxl> i'm still digging on that one.. seems like there's some general weirdness when viewed from a larger perspective
[19:30] <bobish> mint has it down it is just too heavy for this laptop
[19:30] <wxl> for example engrandpa can't handle anything but gtk file managers https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/488
[19:31] <wxl> mint with lxqt and ark?
[19:31] <bobish> i HATE when people say its not the distros fault
[19:31] <bobish> of course it is
[19:31] <bobish> YOU put the software in it
[19:31] <bobish> so YES
[19:31] <bobish> there are better ways to do it
[19:32] <bobish> but you decided - for watever the reasons - to not do it
[19:32] <wxl> you should take your own advice about being better
[19:32] <wxl> no one on the lubuntu team decided "we're going to screw the users out of DND from the archiver"
[19:32] <bobish> if lubuntu does not package a different manager for one reason or another - then that should be said
[19:32] <bobish> no i understand that wxl
[19:33] <bobish> but there are certain things that people have become accustom to right?
[19:33] <wxl> some people have some expectations and others have different expectations
[19:33] <bobish> DND is kinda one of those things
[19:33] <wxl> there are no standards as i implied earlier
[19:34] <bobish> and as i said earlier - this why why the general linux platform has never taken off - and its people like who who push down those standards
[19:35] <wxl> your point being?
[19:35] <bobish> be better
[19:35] <bobish> like i said
[19:35] <wxl> ok, thanks
[19:35] <wxl> anything else?
[19:35] <bobish> there are other solutions, but you decide not to give those solutions as standard
[19:35] <bobish> noy *you*
[19:36] <bobish> but in general
[19:36] <wxl> so maybe you should make a bug report against the world in general XD
[19:36] <lynorian> I honestly have seen people having great trouble drag and dropping for the menu and I think drag and drop is a bad expirence in general on a touchpad
[19:37] <wxl> haven't seen a single bug report on the subject, which certainly makes it hard to be aware of and fix
[19:39] <bobish> come on, DND from the menu? i guess a 13 year old might have that issue. but DND to the desktop has been a thing since the earliest versions of windowed operating systems
[19:39] <wxl> i'm referring to this "great trouble drag and dropping from the menu"
[19:39] <wxl> not to mention the separate "drag and drop is a bad experience in general on a touchpad"
[19:40] <wxl> if there is a reproducible problem, write a bug report and it will get attention
[19:40] <wxl> but it's unreasonable to assume that because you have a problem, that everyone or anyone else is aware of it
[21:26] <robott5656> hi, i'm trying to set up a printer. it's connected to my network on a reserved ip. i set it up a network printer using the lpr protocol, tried printing a test page, but it's stalled as "processing." Any advice? I know lpr is an old protocol.
[21:29] <wxl> first off, printers suck XD
[21:30] <wxl> second: can you ping the ip from your machine?
[21:30] <robott5656> yeah, it's the ONE thing i really don't like about linux...printers are always a pain in the ass
[21:30] <robott5656> wxl, hold on, i'll try
[21:31] <robott5656> ping works
[21:33] <kc2bez> Printers are awful in any OS
[21:33] <robott5656> it's hp photosmart 5510
[21:34] <robott5656> i can try a different protocol than lpr. i just thought since it's an open source protocol, i would be the simplest to set up
[21:34] <wxl> ok try telnetting to port 515
[21:36] <robott5656> wxl, i've never done that...what's the command?
[21:36] <wxl> telnet ip 515
[21:36] <wxl> where ip is your ip address
[21:36] <robott5656> ok
[21:36] <wxl> you know i have a photosmart d110 hooked up and it seems to be using hp:/net
[21:37] <robott5656> connection refused
[21:37] <wxl> ok so that means one of three things:
[21:37] <wxl>  1. you have a firewall prohibiting you from going out on that port
[21:37] <wxl>  2. the printer has a firewall prohibiting something from coming in on that port
[21:38] <wxl>  3. and/or the printer doesn't support lpr, which works on that port
[21:38] <robott5656> probably the router...i can port forward it though
[21:38] <robott5656> never would have suspected that
[21:38] <wxl> have you tried visiting the ip in a web page?
[21:38] <robott5656> no
[21:39] <robott5656> wow i just did and got the hp photosmart set up page
[21:39] <wxl> photosmarts should serve their own web page so that will often help
[21:39] <wxl> ok that probably rules out router issues unless you've speciically filtering out particular ports
[21:40] <robott5656> well i can always fall back to opening the port now that i know what lpr listens on
[21:41] <robott5656> i'll play around with things for a while and update you later
[21:41] <robott5656> thanks for your help
[21:41] <wxl> no problem. good luck


[00:40] <edujtnias> Hello. I'm very new at this, so bear with me, please. I installed Kubuntu onto my laptop (hp beats special edition 15-p030nr). Everything was fine, it looked like it installed cleanly and I was able to do whatever. It said I needed to restart to finish everything up, so I did. When I was filling out various things (username, name of computer, etc.)
[00:40] <edujtnias>  I finished and it took me to a black screen. Now I cant get out. I tried restarting, and I get the startup screen, but then it goes back to a black screen every time and I won't get anything else until I hit the power button again, and then it just gives me the same screen saying Kubuntu as on startup. I don't know how to go around it at all, or i
[00:40] <edujtnias> f I even can.
[00:42] <d-fish> Can you switch to different ttys? Usually Control-Alt-F1 through F8
[00:48] <edujtnias> That got me to "(computer name) login:" so that's something.
[02:23] <fenjamin> I want to run a script to use battery power when plugged in then recharge on AC power at 10%. I've set the udev rules however I can't find the battery's location for echo.
[02:25] <fenjamin> everything else Google has taught is an alert or notification
[02:32] <koffeinfriedhof> fenjamin: have a look at qdbus --system org.freedesktop.UPower
[02:32] <koffeinfriedhof> Example: qdbus --system org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0  org.freedesktop.UPower.Device.Percentage
[02:35] <fenjamin> koffeinfriedhof ok thanks!
[02:36] <koffeinfriedhof> fenjamin: yw. You need dbus-monitor to use it in scripts. e.g.: https://stackoverflow.com/a/5345462
[02:39] <fenjamin> problem solved.
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:29] <alexandru__> hi everyone, is there any way to remove sudo and go the usual Debian way of accessing the superuser in Kubuntu (17.10)?
[13:29] <alexandru__> (without breaking anything, if possible)
[13:32] <hateball> alexandru__: Nothing supported, on
[13:32] <hateball> no*
[13:32] <hateball> !root
[13:37] <alexandru__> I know there isn't any, but I'm interested in having a regular user password, and a root password, without breaking much of Kubuntu.
[13:39] <hateball> Well you got the answer. There is no supported way, which is what this channel is for :)
[13:39] <hateball> If you decide to do it on your own... then you are on your own
[13:40] <alexandru__> Okay
[13:40] <alexandru__> thanks for the support :)
[13:47] <hateball> ForceRecon: your question about checking errors only, read the priority section in "man journalctl"
[13:48] <hateball> it could be for instance journalctl -p 0..3
[13:48] <ForceRecon> reading now.. thanks mate
[14:15] <NoFreeNameAviabl> ... I had to reformat partitions, because I couldn't install grub manualy, error after error, and after it told me it has suceeded it haven't booted.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> NoFreeNameAviabl, do you have any other linux OSs on your pc?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> g
[14:32] <NoFreeNameAviabl> I've tried fedora, it couldn't load grub too
[14:32] <NoFreeNameAviabl> I've tried arch, but it culdn't fetch packages from internet even on different DNS servers.
[14:32] <NoFreeNameAviabl> So I'm on kubuntu now.
[14:32] <NoFreeNameAviabl> I need some nice terminal emulators
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok , do you have BIOS or UEFI ?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ok so you have kubuntu running ok then ?
[14:37] <NoFreeNameAviabl> Yes, I went for the partition shrink and automatic installation provided, but manually I did this: Installed Kubuntu Custom, mounted it as /mnt, mounted bootpart(flaged: boot, bios) as /mnt/boot, then I did grub-install, and then I didn't get boot.
[18:31] <InvalidPassword> Why is application still in there, when I have it on another desktop?
[20:18] <tiwake> alright, new desktop computer build and its randomly restarting (running KDE)... it randomly restarts under windows too
[20:18] <tiwake> I'm not really sure how to approach this
[20:19] <tiwake> erm, when I say running KDE I mean kubuntu... heh... from a net-install
[20:40] <dax> tiwake: random restarts under multiple OSes sounds like a hardware issue, you might want to try ##hardware also
[20:40] <tiwake> dax: I'm suspecting its the processor because the early AMD processors had... well.. a lot of issues
[20:40] <tiwake> the early ryzen processors that is
[20:41] <tiwake> before I put my computer together I noted the manufacture date, and its an older one
[20:42] <dax> could try installing amd64-microcode, but Windows would be doing microcode updates automatically so...
[20:43] <tiwake> its almost identical to the server I built a month ago, different motherboard, but same motherboard company
[20:43] <dax> might also wanna make sure you're not having heat problems
[20:43] <tiwake> same ECC RAM, same processor, power supply, battery backup...
[20:44] <tiwake> I guess I'm not sure what to look for for hardware issues in the logs
[20:45] <tiwake> or if I should enable something
[20:45] <dax> i don't know how AMD does it, but Intel will straight up power off the computer without warning if it overheats
[20:45] <dax> without there necessarily being anything in any logs
[20:46] <tiwake> I did do stress testing, when I first assembled it, computer ran full steam for a whole day
[20:46] <tiwake> temps were stable and stuff
[20:47] <tiwake> then it started random restarting
[20:47] <tiwake> in windows anyway
[20:47] <tiwake> linux it does not restart, just flakes out without an actual kernel panic?
[20:54] <tiwake> when issues start happening with kubuntu, I <ctrl><atl><F1> and it dumps a lot of EXT4-fs errors
[20:54] <tiwake> can't log in or anything
[20:55] <dax> EXT4-fs would be hard drive usually. but that shouldn't autoreboot the system.
[20:55] <dax> could be memory, i guess?
[20:55] <tiwake> no, it did not ever reboot
[20:56] <tiwake> try swapping out RAM? or would it be my SSD?
[20:56] <dax> if it's not rebooting, my guess would be your storage device first, RAM if not
[20:57] <tiwake> hmm
[20:57] <dax> but again, ##hardware might know better, and would also know how to test it
[20:57] <tiwake> its an M.2 SSD by crucial, it should be "good"
[20:57] <tiwake> alright alright
[21:46] <jaafar> All right people, I've got something weird to report
[21:46] <jaafar> I keep losing one of my mouse buttons
[21:47] <jaafar> as in, every few minutes it stops recognizing the click event
[21:47] <jaafar> *X* sees the event, but windows do not
[21:49] <jaafar> switching virtual consoles with ctrl-alt-F1, ctrl-alt-F7 restores functionality
[21:49] <jaafar> this started about a week ago
[21:49] <jaafar> Any ideas?
[22:10] <jaafar> You know how when you hover over something you get a visual indicator that it's possible to click on it? e.g., it turns light blue or something
[22:10] <jaafar> Not even doing that
[22:10] <jaafar> so it's going into a mode where it's unreceptive to selection activity, or something
[22:30] <jaafar> cd
[22:43] <shevchuk> Hello. I have a problem with Meta (Win) key not opening app launcher. I'm using fullscreen app dashboard, Alt+F1 is working, but not Meta. I'm on 17.10 with kubuntu-backports, so Plasma 5.11.3. It stopped working in September I think (I was o 17.04 without kubuntu backports back then). On my other computers with clean 17.10 + kubuntu backports install it does work, so it's something with my setup, but I'm not sure know where should
[22:43] <shevchuk> I start to figure what's causing the problem. Any ideas?


[17:36] <vorlon> tdaitx, gaughen: it was news to me that we wanted to give additional notice /before/ the security updates were released.  Does that refer to the Ubuntu blog post or something else?  That blog post draft is written in present tense, so is meant to go out when the release happens, not before
[17:37] <vorlon> if it refers to something else: who should give that notice, and where?
[17:37] <gaughen> we should not block on the ubuntu blog post
[17:38] <vorlon> gaughen: I agree; tdaitx suggested some other notice was needed before releasing though
[17:38] <vorlon> and I don't remember previously discussing that
[17:38] <gaughen> vorlon, I don't recall what that is. I know sbeattie was plotting to do a usn.
[17:38] <vorlon> well, usn is also at time of release AIUI
[17:39] <sbeattie> yes, we only publish a usn once packages are available in the archive.
[17:50] <tdaitx> we discussed about giving a heads up in one of the meetings and it was bought up again when we were discussing about u-u and saw which packages were affected
[17:51] <tdaitx> not that I remember we ever saying it was going to block anything, only that it would be good to have a notice out
[18:01] <vorlon> tdaitx: ok, I guess I don't remember this.  I think this only happens today if you have strong opinions and want to drive it


[08:05] <praisethemoon> hello
[08:05] <praisethemoon> sorry I keep my work computer on all day xd
[08:07] <Dro> Bjr
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[11:13] <praisethemoon> yooo
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[11:13] <praisethemoon> how is everyone doing :D
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[13:41] <Dro> praisethemoon: !
[13:41] <praisethemoon> Dro: how is life?