[22:12] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, alright so get the list with the cmd i just sent, and use the one you sent just now to get rid of them all, correct?
[22:12] <dug> dtchen:  its the one the forums suggest for the dell with the ich9
[22:12] <cabrey> ActionParsnip, http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[22:13] <vomitory>  is intel GMA a separate chip on the motherboard or does it use CPU cycles for generating graphics
[22:13] <LinuX2half> well the permission is denied.
[22:13] <gangil> the only difference between ubuntu and Kubutnu is that one uses KDE and other uses Gnome , the kernel is same for both right?
[22:13] <Fireking300> Thanks the commands worked
[22:13] <rodolfo> Flannel: mmm..the only downloadable package is for karmic..
[22:13] <LinuX2half> I can't copy the current theme to the share/theme folder
[22:13] <too5hort> Hi, is there in some way i can let my Wubi install use more disk space instead of the 7gb that i choose in the install?
[22:13] <dtchen> dug: "ich9" is not very informative; it's similar to saying "i have a computer with a new sound card"
[22:13] <cabrey> LinuX2half, sudo cp -R theme_folder /usr/share/themes/
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: the dpkg -l | grep flash   shows all the package names that contain the word flash, you can then remove them with the second command but you will have to add what package names it finds manually
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> LinuX2half:  you have to do it with root permissions to system directories.
[22:13] <rodolfo> Flannel: is it possible to install?
[22:13] <Flannel> gangil: Correct.  You can just install Kubuntu on your Ubuntu, and you'll get Kubuntu (and still have Ubuntu)
[22:13] <dtchen> dug: either use "ubuntu-bug alsa-base", or use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:14] <Flannel> rodolfo: I have no idea.  I'm not familiar with that package/program at all, you might ask whatever support/forums/whatever they have
[22:14] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, ok. the only one that showed up was "ii  flashplugin-installer                      <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2                         Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[22:14] <setup1_> " ill uninstall it now.
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> cabrey: thanks, lets see how slick this is
[22:14] <rodolfo> Flannel: mm..ok..thanx anyway
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: ok cool. run: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-installer ; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[22:15] <rodolfo> anybody else knows gloobus?
[22:15] <LinuX2half> why can I move the theme in my current folder to the share/theme_foler
[22:15] <nsahoo> does anyone know why latex command does not produce dvi?
[22:15] <LinuX2half> How can I move files using the terminal.
[22:15] <cabrey> LinuX2half, are you even following my directions?
[22:15] <cernenus> is there anywhere i can find a list of everything i need to do to be fully multimedia capable?
[22:16] <cabrey> cernenus, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:16] <too5hort> anyone?
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> cernenus: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:16] <LinuX2half> cabrey, here's what it said sudo cp - R theme_folder /usr/share/themes/
[22:16] <LinuX2half> [sudo] password for ubuntu2009:
[22:16] <LinuX2half> cp: cannot stat `-': No such file or directory
[22:16] <LinuX2half> cp: cannot stat `R': No such file or directory
[22:16] <LinuX2half> cp: cannot stat `theme_folder': No such file or directory
[22:16] <FloodBot1> LinuX2half: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:16] <dawn_> does anyone know how to reinstall pidgin? it was uninstalled during an upgrade somehow and when i try to put it back on it says there is conflicting software
[22:16] <ikonia> LinuX2half: cp -R
[22:16] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, after the second cmd line, this is the result. "Reading package lists... Done
[22:16] <setup1_> Building dependency tree
[22:16] <setup1_> Reading state information... Done
[22:16] <setup1_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[22:16] <geirha> too5hort: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How%20do%20I%20resize%20the%20virtual%20disks%3f
[22:16] <FloodBot1> setup1_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> LinuX2half: no space between - and R
[22:17] <jiffe> so I see they have ssd drives that go in pci-e slots
[22:17] <cabrey> LinuX2half, and it's not 'theme_folder' replace it with your actual theme folder
[22:17] <danbhfive> dawn_: you could try checking the defaults with: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[22:17] <jiffe> so do they make motherboards with like 4-8 pci-e slots now
[22:17] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, I'm guessing it worked then lol
[22:17] <SqRt7744> how to I select all installed files for reinstall?
[22:17] <cabrey> !clone
[22:17] <SqRt7744> erm packages
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: got flash now?
[22:18] <rodolfo> anyone? gloobus
[22:18] <asy> pff
[22:18] <asy> 1120
[22:18] <ikonia> asy: ?
[22:18] <asy> forfait bloqué
[22:18] <gangil> Flannel: what if I just want to upgrade the kernel?
[22:18] <ikonia> rodolfo: anyone what ?
[22:18] <Flannel> gangil: What do you mean?
[22:18] <sstv> bonsoir
[22:18] <gangil> *only* kernel upgrade
[22:18] <rodolfo> ikonia: knows how to install gloobus
[22:18] <Flannel> gangil: you just want to use the 9.04 kernel, with 8.10 packages?
[22:18] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, Checking. stand by.
[22:18] <gangil> Flannel: yep
[22:18] <LinuX2half> how do I write my theme folder correctly?
[22:18] <LinuX2half> the name is aero-clone
[22:19] <ikonia> !info gloobus
[22:19] <ikonia> rodolfo: well the bad news is it's not in the ubuntu repos
[22:19] <Kanappa> Flannel: kernel/version you know :)
[22:19] <cernenus> cabrey,  i already have most recent restricted extras
[22:19] <cabrey> LinuX2half, have you decompressed it?
[22:19] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, negative.
[22:19] <rodolfo> ikonia: infact..
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: damnit
[22:19] <Alien_Inside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ercxcuFq1hU
[22:19] <cabrey> cernenus, ok then totem should be able to play most files, and you have fash
[22:19] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, now i just have giant holes where the videos once were.
[22:19] <cabrey> flash*
[22:19] <LinuX2half> cabrey, yes its a folder
[22:20] <rodolfo> ikonia: what can i do? on the website ther's a package..but it seems to be for karmic
[22:20] <jadams_> I've been trying to get my computer to output to my HD TV, and I can't seem to make it.  I've got it hooked up DVI->HDMI, and it worked on another computer.  I'm running the nvidia driver, and nvidia-settings shows the TV as the second monitor, applying makes my desktop large enough that I can obviously move my mouse 'onto' the HD monitor, etc
[22:20] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, now you see why i resorted to irc?
[22:20] <ikonia> rodolfo: what's the link ?
[22:20] <rodolfo> ikonia: https://launchpad.net/gloobus
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: then i'd run: rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[22:20] <Kanappa> Oh, 2 and a half men is on. I hate that cartoon with the guy that has balls for cheeks :=)
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: and you will be back to the begining
[22:20] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, i have been using google, ask, yahoo, and many other ways to find faq's.... none of which have helped half as much as you have.
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: i try
[22:21] <cernenus> cabrey, when i am online flash items are blank
[22:21] <Flannel> gangil: No, I wouldn't really suggest doing that (nor would it be trivial to accomplish)
[22:21] <kt> any oauth guys here?
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: with no flash installed, try accessing: http://www.rathergood.com/blode2
[22:21] <Ro9u3oR> is there much of a difference in open office and ms office
[22:21] <needhelp1> i need some help, my defualt boot sequence is messed up
[22:21] <donny> what is a good program to download music
[22:21] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, you have helped alot so far... what does it sound like the problem may be to you?
[22:21] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, ok, ill try.
[22:21] <Fireking300> donny: That would be piracy.
[22:21] <dekkong> i've never tried opera on ubuntu before, seems to handle flash alot better than firefox
[22:22] <ikonia> rodolfo: it has the source gode in a tar file available, but I know you're looking for a deb file
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: you just need to get the adobe .so file in the right place for firefox to use
[22:22] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, ... odd... it still loads.
[22:22] <Hibba> Ro9u3oR:  I think it depends on what you need it for... Microsoft has worked better for me for making text documents.
[22:22] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, i can still view that website.
[22:22] <paolo88> hi
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: yeah but does the flash vid load?
[22:22] <rodolfo> ikonia: i don't even know the difference between tar and deb
[22:22] <g1er> sry simple questions, are "/lib/firmware" and "/lib/firmware/" the same thing (command wise)
[22:23] <dude_> I havn't installed flash this time. My life still works!
[22:23] <Ro9u3oR> taking a few courses this semester all window apps
[22:23] <rodolfo> ikonia: :(
[22:23] <ikonia> rodolfo: then with respect it's best you don't try to build it. I suggest you keep with it for a while and wait for the developers to build a 9.04 package
[22:23] <g1er> or is it better to use one or the other in most instances
[22:23] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, yeah, they are dancing around a giant centipeede haha
[22:23] <Ro9u3oR> i was hoping i could get away with just using open office
[22:23] <regeya> glad to hear your continued corporeal existence is not dependent upon flash, dude_
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: yep, its genius. wait til mr. pringle come in on his tank to blast the nazi crab
[22:23] <needhelp1> can someone help me fix my default boot menu.. i think it may be called grub menu
[22:23] <Ro9u3oR> its been a lot of work trying to get msoffice on my notebook
[22:23] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, lol
[22:23] <paolo88> i must install a java jdk version 1.5 or higer...i have senn in synaptic the package called sun-java5-jdk.  I can install it and i have finished?
[22:23] <rodolfo> ikonia: infact..it seemed to hard from the beginning..mayb il look for a forum on their website..
[22:24] <needhelp1> it was working and for some reason, now it says like some error.
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: you now have flash
[22:24] <dude_> regeya, Feels good to be alive!
[22:24] <rodolfo> ikonia: thanx anyway :)
[22:24] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, alright so to resolve this... is there not an explore mode like windows?
[22:24] <ikonia> needhelp1: what's the isue
[22:24] <Kanappa> ikonia: wheres that chatty channel you always talk about =? ... Im to be there if: kernel coders can be HUMAN. What do you say ?
[22:24] <Hibba> Ro9u3oR: You may be able to get b on Openoffice. I had some trouble with running headers, but if you don't need to make those, should be ok.
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: alt+f2   type   nautilus   press enter
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: like that?
[22:24] <needhelp1> the default doesnt load.. it lists the menu and when it trys to auto load the defualt it gives a error.
[22:24] <needhelp1> then goes back to the menu
[22:25] <needhelp1> i can boot fine when i select .. but the defualt isnt working
[22:25] <Aacron> I just have to ask this... why didnt' ubuntu *come with* this compiz setup thing? :P   I mean its the configuration for the effects, so I really thought at first (because there was no customize, just the 3 options) that there were no other options
[22:25] <ikonia> Kanappa: I'm tired of your constant refernce to "being human" or "not being allowed to be human" in this channel. I suggest you leave if you find yourself unable to limit yourself to polite support discussion
[22:25] <paolo88> i must install a java jdk version 1.5 or higer...i have senn in synaptic the package called sun-java5-jdk.  I can install it and i have finished?
[22:25] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, Oh sweet jebus, there is a god haha
[22:25] <ikonia> needhelp1: what is the default one
[22:25] <needhelp1> windows xp
[22:25] <ikonia> needhelp1: ok - and what is the one that doesn't work ?
[22:25] <setup1_> alright... maybe i will have a little more success finding the files and moving them correctly now that i can find them
[22:25] <cabrey> paolo88, you probably want sun-java6-jdk
[22:26] <Aacron> There should be anice little button in the desktop effects chooser with [advanced setup] > open compiz config
[22:26] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, so which file to where and ill do it.
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: haha, i use pcmanfm personally but nautilus is default
[22:26] <needhelp1> they all work, its just the defual doesnt work.. like after 5 seconds if the user doesnt pick one then it will load number 5 (which is the windows xp) that wont work
[22:26] <needhelp1> but i can boot into any fine
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: no need now, its all done. If you can see that anim you have flash
[22:26] <bc> does anyone know if there is a command line program that will move to a specific 'work space' (I'm running compiz)?
[22:26] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, well after im used to this os, ill get into the more advanced stuff... i just need training wheels atm.
[22:26] <Dave__> How do i re-connect my internet when it disconnects
[22:26] <ikonia> needhelp1: so what you don't select one - it doesn't work, when you do it does work ?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: you'll learn
[22:26] <setup1_> but what about the video's not showing up on myspace and such?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: just use the system
[22:26] <needhelp1> ikonia: yeah
[22:26] <gangil> how do I format my pendrive via terminal
[22:27] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, or dare i say pr0n sites.
[22:27] <needhelp1> ikonia: the defualt boot doesnt work
[22:27] <Aacron> setup1_:  you need to get the plugins for firefox bro
[22:27] <ikonia> needhelp1: ok - can you put your /boot/grub/menu.lst file in pastebin.ubuntu.com please
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: if they use flash they will work
[22:27] <rodolfo> ikonia: sorry again..i'm just curious. why do they already deliver a software for a version of ubuntu that will come up in october
[22:27] <paolo88> cabrey: ok, tanks
[22:27] <needhelp1> ikonia: can you tell me how to open it?
[22:27] <ikonia> rodolfo: they are packaging in preperation for the 9.10 release
[22:27] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, if not, i have to find ways around. this explains why youtube works, but most myspace movies do not.
[22:27] <ikonia> needhelp1: open it in a text editor
[22:27] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, hmmm
[22:27] <needhelp1> what do i type in terminal?
[22:28] <ikonia> needhelp1: nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: depends what they use for plugins
[22:28] <Aacron> setup1_:  i think if you go to add/remove software, you can put flash and other plugins in there and you're good to go.  I use noscript, adblock and flash
[22:28] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, alright, lemme see what i can do
[22:28] <Aacron> ActionParsnip:  he's talkinga bout youtube... its flash
[22:28] <cma> hello room
[22:28] <Dave__> How do i re-connect my internet when it disconnects
[22:28] <needhelp1> ikonia: that opened it in the teminal.. is there a way i can open it with a text editor
[22:28] <needhelp1> ?
[22:28] <Ro9u3oR> is there much difference with presentations and database?
[22:28] <rodolfo> ikonia: ok..but wouldn't be more convenient for them do develop a version for 9.04 that we could use now?
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> Aacron: and he said youtube worked
[22:29] <setup1_> ActionParsnip,  no no, youtube works, certain vids on myspace etc dont work
[22:29] <Kanappa> ikonia: What is the name where you still have the same rules but call it something other then #ubuntu ?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> Aacron: but myspace video doesnt so must be something diferent in some way
[22:29] <ikonia> needhelp1: look in your applications menu for a text editor you like
[22:29] <rodolfo> ikonia: instead of waiting 6 months?
[22:29] <ikonia> rodolfo: no as it will be obsolete
[22:29] <Aacron> ActionParsnip:  ahh.  if he has noscript installed, he may need to enable scripts for myspsace
[22:29] <Aacron> myspace*
[22:29] <ikonia> Kanappa: do you mean #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[22:29] <Kanappa> ikonia: Ah!
[22:29] <Kanappa> Thank you
[22:29] <jadams> fir
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> Aacron: i doubt he has that installed personally. i could be wrong
[22:29] <jadams> oops
[22:29] <rodolfo> ikonia: ok..thanks again!! see ya
[22:29] <cernenus> project playlist doesn't work for me:(
[22:30] <gangil> how do I format my pendrive , there is no potion when I rt click it!!
[22:30] <Kanappa> ikonia: So, are you an op there, and how could it be different then ?
[22:30] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, i litterally put the disk in and just let it do the rest.
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: go to edit preferences in firefox. content tab.
[22:30] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, so what i have on here is the basic install.
[22:30] <Aacron> sometimes people do stupid things <--- like me :))  I know what the plugins are but... I've installeda few things I wasn't 100% sure of cause the desc said it did something I thought I wanted, turned out I didn't, yada yada
[22:30] <ikonia> Kanappa: check the topic there - it's for non-support chatter
[22:30] <needhelp1> ikonia: hum.. its set still how i set it last a long time ago.. the defualt value is 5, which is correct
[22:30] <LinuX2half> yep, I check online and finally moved the folder, thanks.
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: make sure you have javascript enabled
[22:31] <ikonia> needhelp1: please pastebin your file
[22:31] <gangil> l: how do I format my pendrive , there is no potion when I rt click it!!
[22:31] <Kanappa> ikonia: Its for those of us who spend their lives coding for dists such as Ubuntu ?
[22:31] <zimbres> hi, while linking against a library I coded myself I get error messages "undefined reference to symbol" So I look for these undefined symbols with ldd -r libname.so, and after that nm libname.so | grep symbol. And the symbol is there. So what is the problem with such a library?
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> gangil: run:   gksudo gparted
[22:31] <Aacron> i still question why they didn't include compiz setup with a button on the ubuntu desktop effect window under "advnaced" or something
[22:31] <needhelp1> ikonia: does the list start with zero.. like 0 1 2 3?
[22:31] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, java and java script are both enabled
[22:31] <Kanappa> So that we may meet and have fun once in a blue moon
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: then I'm stumped
[22:31] <stef1> does putting the swap on another disk increase io performance?
[22:32]  * bastidrazor can't back a laugh
[22:32] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, me too:(
[22:32] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, im in add/remove right now
[22:32] <hymx> Hello. How to list installed kernel versions?
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> setup1_: maybe someone else can chip in, or a websearch will help. i gota jet
[22:32] <ikonia> hymx: uname -a will show you your current running kernel
[22:32] <Aacron> Is the best place to put ideas for streamlining ubuntu in that brainsomething site?
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> peace out kids
[22:32] <Aacron> to get the developers to take a peek at them?
[22:33] <setup1_> ActionParsnip, alright:/ thanks anyway. looks like im back to surfing the web again:(
[22:33] <hymx> ikonia:  Yeah right, but I want to look at other kernel versions on my system. Before I upgrade my system to 9.04
[22:33] <mbnoimi> Why I can't use volume up/down keys through Rhythmbox? although next/prev. keys are working well !
[22:33] <Aacron> brainstorm.ubuntu.com?
[22:33] <needhelp1> ikonia: does the list start with zero in the grub menu? or does it start with one?
[22:33] <ikonia> needhelp1: just pastebin the whole file
[22:33] <cabrey> needhelp1, 0
[22:33] <ikonia> hymx: dpkg -l | grep -i kernel will show you
[22:34] <needhelp1> thanks.. ikonia i think maybe the grub may of been updated im not sure
[22:34] <needhelp1> i have two listings for windows xp in the number 5 and 6 spot.. im gona switch it to 6 and see if that works
[22:34] <setup1_> Aacron, im not sure... im BEYOND new to this. ive have this installed for 2 hours tops
[22:34] <needhelp1> if not ill jot down the error and return here with the pasted grub
[22:34] <Aacron> ahh I was just asking in general
[22:34] <Aacron> :P
[22:34] <Aacron> I'm kinda-sorta new to ubuntu myself ;)
[22:34] <needhelp1> well should i say.. either way ill be back to tell you how it goes
[22:34] <Fireking300> is there a GUI version of NTPasswd?
[22:34] <needhelp1> brb, thanks ikonia and cabrey
[22:35] <ikonia> needhelp1: well spotted
[22:35] <setup1_> well i think my go to guy gets outta work soon so MAYBE, just maybe he can help me get this finished up
[22:36] <gangil> how can I format my pendrive , there is no format option when i rt click it , I dnt hv gparted
[22:36] <setup1_> because i dont know that anyone else here can really help me all that much
[22:36] <gangil> help!
[22:36] <Aacron> gangil:  could you install gparted?
[22:36] <Fireking300> sudo apt-get install gparted   I think
[22:36] <jigsaw666> hello
[22:37] <AcidBurn> why on earth it's not possible to open postscript files? .ps
[22:37] <Aacron> gangil:  other than that I think there is a command line option to do that
[22:37] <mrwes> In Jaunty when there are updates available, the update manager quickly pops up and then minimizes to the bottom panel -- is that the default action?
[22:37] <setup1_> later guys
[22:37] <gangil> Aacron: plz. tell me
[22:37] <Aacron> mrwes:  yeah I have been wondering that myself... I'd think it would make itself seen since updates are important
[22:37] <evanrmurphy> Which items are in the home directory on a fresh install? I have some files and folders I'm not sure if I need and can't find out if they're supposed to be there. Examples to follow:
[22:37] <Fireking300> mkvs.ext3?
[22:37] <Aacron> gangil:  one second man I'll look it up in google
[22:37] <needhelp1> one more question before i go... it wont let me save the edited grub
[22:37] <needhelp1> it says
[22:38] <Operations> Hi, I have a little problem regarding cryprography
[22:38] <needhelp1> im in gedit... its saying you dont not have the permissions necessary to save the file
[22:38] <mrwes> Aacron, yah, the first time it happened I wasn't at the computer and didn't realize until sometime later I actually had updates...weird aye?
[22:38] <AcidBurn> !postscript
[22:38] <evanrmurphy> ubuntu-docs-jaunty, Accessories.txt, ikernel.exe_, launcher.ini, ...
[22:38] <mrwes> !ps
[22:38] <Operations> !criprography
[22:38] <AcidBurn> !.ps
[22:38] <mrwes> heh
[22:38] <Operations> !criptography
[22:38] <Operations> !cryptography
[22:39] <AcidBurn> I can't find anything that can read postscript :(
[22:39] <Operations> I have a problem with some crypto algorithms
[22:39] <Operations> pls help
[22:39] <Aacron> mrwes:  yeah... same here :P  I'd think it would be at least showing itself :P
[22:39] <AcidBurn> how it doesn't know anything about cryptography and it knows cryptography?!?
[22:39] <VCoolio> needhelp1: open the file with "gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.list" to open with root permissions; copy your changes first or you'll have to do them again
[22:39] <Aacron> erm gangil can you just install gparted?  would make your life a LOAD easier
[22:39] <evanrmurphy> layout.bin, Mozilla Firefox.desktop, Repositories, srtp.log, Synaptic.
[22:39] <AcidBurn> stupid bot
[22:40] <Aacron> gangil:  I believe its " sudo apt-get gparted "
[22:40] <Aacron> oops!
[22:40] <Aacron> gangil:  I believe its " sudo apt-get install gparted "
[22:40] <Aacron> then you wont have to go through the process of figurign out *which* sdXX is the usb drive :P
[22:41] <needhelp1> VCoolio: when i opened it that way gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.list   .... its blank
[22:41] <needhelp1> must be a mistake
[22:41] <Operations> I have a problem with some crypto algorithms
[22:41] <VCoolio> needhelp1: then it doesn't exist, did I type something wrong/
[22:41] <Aacron> !crypto
[22:41] <Aacron> !crypt
[22:42] <needhelp1> VCoolio: oh yeah you did
[22:42] <VCoolio> needhelp1: menu.lst, not .list
[22:42] <Operations> thanks.. damn
[22:42] <needhelp1> its lst
[22:42] <evanrmurphy> Can anyone tell me what any of these files are for?: Accessories.txt, ikernel.exe_, launcher.ini, layout.bin, Mozilla Firefox.desktop, Repositories, srtp.log, Synaptic. Thanks.
[22:42] <Aacron> gangil:  did you find gparted?
[22:42] <VCoolio> needhelp1: yep, sorry, gedit will create files if they don't exist yet, can be confusing sometimes
[22:42] <abdulkareem> hi
[22:43] <needhelp1> VCoolio: thanks.. brb
[22:43] <abdulkareem> tet
[22:43] <mrwes> Aacron, here's the fix for that update manager action gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[22:43] <abdulkareem> kefkom?
[22:43] <Aacron> evanrmurphy:  Repositories and Synaptic are for the synaptic package manager
[22:43] <Aacron> i believe
[22:43] <gangil> Aacron: I knew gparted , but wanted to find out linux has any built in tool for that.
[22:43] <evanrmurphy> Aacron: Thank you. Is it normal for them to be in ~/ ?
[22:43] <mrwes> Aacron, here's the complete thread http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1130181.html
[22:44] <Aacron> evanrmurphy:  hrmm not sure
[22:44] <Aacron> gangil:  yes there is, one sec I'll have you a nice shiny link
[22:44] <VCoolio> evanrmurphy: .desktop files are launchers, like shortcuts to .exe in windows; you can delete those safely; I don't think there are any files in ~/ on a fresh install except Examples and hidden files
[22:44] <Aacron> gangil:  here you go.  explains both fdisk method and gparted::  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018
[22:45] <Aacron> gangil:  basically gparted is just a front-end for fdisk to make your life a little easier
[22:46] <gangil> Aacron: thanks :)
[22:46]  * SeaPhor is away: I'm prolly playing SplinterCell
[22:46] <cernenus> :) found a fix for all my flash problems:)
[22:46] <Aacron> gangil:  and the nkfs (i think that is the command) utility, which is how you "make filesystem" aka format
[22:47] <Aacron> gangil:  looking a sec and I should have you the nice shiny command-line (minus which device)
[22:48] <Aacron> gangil:  sudo mkfs.vfat -n <label_name> <device>
[22:48] <edbian> OOOOO shiney :)
[22:48] <Aacron> where label_name is what you wanna call it, and device is the USB disk's (sdX#)
[22:49] <matreya6> Is it possible to "grow" two raid1 volumes into 1 again?
[22:49] <Fireking300> Is there a GUI version of ntpasswd or something like it?
[22:49] <bishop> joining
[22:50] <bishop> hey
[22:50] <Dave__> How do i re-connect my internet when it disconnects
[22:51] <bishop> reboot... maybe
[22:51] <Fireking300> or sudo /etc/init.d/networking start
[22:51] <elli222> Im trying to flash my CD Drive's firmware, and i need to force it into PIO mode, how do i do this?
[22:52] <mbnoimi> how I can specify hotkeys for ubuntu?
[22:52] <kyleQ> close your eyes and count to ten
[22:52] <jasonbourne> how can i uninstall stellarium from the terminal
[22:53] <Aacron> elli222:  you could try to do that in BIOS, though linux may re-set it to DMA once it's loaded
[22:53] <melwtech35> hello, i have logged in as root however there is a file\directory that is read only, nomatter how much chmodding ect i do i can't get access, and its not a read only mounted drive its on the same physical drive, is it possible that it is set up to have access with a certain group only, and that group is hidden from root?
[22:53] <matreya6> mbnoimi, Look under Syste, => preferences => Key Shortcuts
[22:53] <Aacron> melwtech35:  you logged in as root?  how? :P
[22:53] <bishop> off topic just heard microsoft is dumping vista???
[22:53] <melwtech35> Aacron, sorry before you go from an ubuntu angle, lets just speak linux generically :)
[22:54] <Aacron> bishop:  huh?  well... windows 7 is about to be out in force, which seems to be basically what vista was supposed to be :P
[22:54] <Leon_Nardella> How can I have an external ext3 formatted drive be writable by anybody, on any system, without editing fstab on every machine I want to attach the drive to?
[22:54] <matreya6> bishop, seems like a painful, but smart thing to do for MS
[22:54] <gangil> hi I am getting the following error on inserting my pendrive it says : mount point cant contain the following characters newline,G_DIR_SEPARATOR(/usually)
[22:54] <Aacron> melwtech35:  hehe was picking.  erm... is there a way you can unlock it?
[22:54] <keri> i need to find out how to get my ubuntu panel to show up when i go to web and on a site it is not on the top and i do not get the bootom panel showing what i have open
[22:54] <keri> can i get help
[22:54] <jiffe> anyone gotten drdb to build on ubuntu?  I got an error about changing cflags to extra_cflags which I was able to fix, now it is complaining about 'linux/drbd.h: No such file or directory'
[22:55] <bishop> just came over news gotta get more info...
[22:55] <elli222> Leon_Nardella, chmod -R 777 Path/to/your/disk/
[22:55] <Leon_Nardella> elli222, Thanks!
[22:55] <melwtech35> Aacron, ive tried chmod 777 file.png still stays the same only tells me "read only filesystem" which is incorrect because i can edit anything else
[22:55] <Aacron> gangil:  can you plug it into a windows box?  or is there even any useful data on it you want to keep?
[22:56] <keri>  i need to find out how to get my ubuntu panel to show up when i go to web and on a site it is not on the top and i do not get the bootom panel showing what i have open
[22:56] <Aacron> melwtech35:  hrmm... seems over my head... hopefully someone like raylu can help....
[22:56] <gangil> yep I can plug ged it into windows and formatted it but nothin , I can plug it in a win box
[22:56] <Aacron> gangil:  try changing the usb stick's label
[22:56] <gangil> ?
[22:56] <melwtech35> raylu, if you can help ill be very thankful :)
[22:57] <gangil> Aacron: how?
[22:57] <Aacron> gangil:   in windows... there might be some funky character that the utility that auto-mounts the drive cant handle
[22:57] <raylu> huh?
[22:57] <elli222> melwtech, do you use SUSPEND by any chance?
[22:57] <Aacron> gangil:  right click the usb stick in file manager on windows, and there shoudl be a "Volume Label" field somewhere int here
[22:57] <cernenus> Fireking300,  do you have a copy of knoppix?
[22:57] <melwtech35> elli222, no i didn't
[22:58] <VCoolio> keri: only firefox maximizing over panels? what does pressing F11 do?
[22:58] <adamb_> Micheal Jackson just died  =\
[22:58] <Aacron> gangil:  or, if you dont care about any of the data on the usb stick you could just fdisk it, delete the partition it has, and re-create it, which should effectively remove the volume label compleely
[22:58] <cernenus> sucks for mj
[22:58] <Aacron> adamb_:  really?
[22:58] <matreya6> Does anyone how to install grub on the MBR of a 2nd RAID1 volume?  When using the Alternate Install CD, it does ask if I want to activate RAID support(I answer yes), but doesn't allow me to see the RAID 1 volumes I created through mount nor to allow me to install GRUB on them
[22:58] <adamb_> yeah
[22:58] <Flannel> !offtopic | adamb_, Aacron, cernenus
[22:58] <bishop> has anyone used supergrub?
[22:58] <Aacron> adamb_:  well... that sucks, but at least our children are safe now :P
[22:59] <adamb_> Are you seriois Flannel?  oh shut up
[22:59] <Crandom> MJ died?
[22:59] <elli222> rofl
[22:59] <Aacron> gangil:  did you get it working?
[22:59] <Flannel> adamb_: Please keep this channel on topic.  The topic is: Ubuntu support.  We have other channels for offtopic chatting.
[23:00] <gangil> Aacron: It was me who played with it the last time , and I did set the mount point to / in gui.
[23:00] <Crandom> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/michael-jackson-dead-20090626-cyjb.html
[23:00] <Crandom> http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/ny-michaeljackson0626,0,57920.story
[23:00] <adamb_> What up how about that?
[23:00] <FloodBot1> Crandom: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:00] <Crandom> lol
[23:00] <sstv> Bonsoir
[23:00] <adamb_> yeah MJ died, that sucks..
[23:00] <gangil> win didnt help
[23:00] <adamb_> and Flannel shut up already, someone famous died, we mentioned it, get real.
[23:00] <LinuX2half> how do I install a tar.gz package?
[23:00] <LinuX2half> I know I need to extract it
[23:01] <LinuX2half> but how to I installed it?
[23:01] <cernenus> Fireking300,  are you still there?
 Do you mean MJ the player?
[23:01] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: are there no repositories and no .deb files for what you want to install?
[23:01] <evanrmurphy> Aacron: FYI, I created a fresh username and none of those files were there.  Cheers!
[23:01] <cernenus> no
[23:01] <Fireking300> Basketball player*
[23:01] <Fireking300> o
[23:01] <animuson_> would it be possible to connect two servers together so they both use the same MySQL?
[23:01] <Flannel> cernenus, Fireking300: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:01] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: otherwise 1. ./configure   2. make   3. sudo make install
[23:01] <animuson_> like combining their resources essentially
[23:01] <Dave__> How do i re-connect my internet when it disconnects
[23:02] <Fireking300> Ok what were you wanting to know? If I had Knoppix?
[23:02] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, I don't know where to obtain the repository.
[23:02] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: what app is it?
[23:02] <matreya6> animuson_, Clustering is possible, but needs expert knowledge to implement
[23:02] <Flannel> !checkinstall | LinuX2half, VCoolio (don't compile with make, use checkinstall, if you have to compile)
[23:02] <VCoolio> Flannel: really what does that do?
[23:03] <VCoolio> Flannel: sry you let ubot say it
[23:03] <Flannel> VCoolio: It creates a deb from the compile, so you can easily remove the files later, if you want to upgrade, or a package becomes available, etc.
[23:03] <brennus> oh no michael jackson is dead!
[23:03] <Flannel> brennus: Please take it elsewhere.  This is a support channel.
[23:04] <Tetracomm> The news stations only said that he was hospitalized.
[23:04] <iCub> Note to all: Wine + Ubuntu 9.04 + EeePc = fail
[23:05] <MadAGu> Guys i have the following problem
[23:05] <marcoBED> MICHAEL JACKSON IS DEAD
[23:05] <MadAGu> i have 2 folders with the same name on my desktop
[23:05] <Aacron> gangil:  just so you know man, dont ever ever mount other stuff in / unless ou absolutely have to :P  generally you want to mount things in /mnt or (in ubuntu) /media
[23:05] <bishop> leaving...bbak..
[23:05] <MadAGu> how could happen this thing.....
[23:05] <Flannel> MadAGu: Are they capitalized differently?
[23:06] <donny> what do i have to dlisten to music form limewire?
[23:06] <MadAGu> no they are not
[23:06] <gangil> soory :(
[23:06] <bishop> hey
[23:06] <gangil> I just like to experiment
[23:06] <Flannel> MadAGu: please pastebin the output of this: ls -al ~/Desktop
[23:06] <MadAGu> drwxr-xr-x 9 skaroukio skaroukio     4096 2009-06-26 01:01 modis_pict
[23:06] <MadAGu> drwxr-xr-x 3 skaroukio skaroukio     4096 2009-06-26 00:53 modis_pict
[23:07] <animuson_> is there like a guide to clustering somewhere?
[23:07] <Flannel> MadAGu: Pastebin the entire output please
[23:07] <Flannel> !paste | MadAGu
[23:07] <MadAGu> it is not my problem one friend of my has it
[23:07] <livio> hello
[23:07] <vvpalin> question will this work, or will it not be able to overwrite the same file?
[23:07] <vvpalin> cat /usr/etc/whatever.txt | sed "s/something/something2/g" > /usr/etc/whatever.txt
[23:07] <MadAGu> and i am just trying to find a solution...
[23:08] <AcidBurn> !tar xz
[23:08] <AcidBurn> !xz
[23:08] <livio> \help
[23:08] <AcidBurn> !.xz
[23:08] <AcidBurn> !.tar.xz
[23:08] <AcidBurn> !tar
[23:09] <livio> !encrypt
[23:09] <livio> !encryption
[23:09] <animuson_> is there like a guide to clustering somewhere?
[23:09] <Flannel> !fishing | livio, AcidBurn
[23:09] <LinuX2half> why I enter auto-apt run ./configure it failed?
[23:10] <evon> can anyone help me recover a lost partition
[23:10] <evon> ?
[23:11] <AcidBurn> does anybody know how to extract this extension .tar.xz?
[23:11] <evon> can anyone help me recover a lost partition?
[23:12] <aoupi> AcidBurn: no idea, run file on it to make sure it's not something else
[23:12] <aoupi> AcidBurn: tar xf bla.tar.xz will probably work
[23:12] <AcidBurn> aoupi: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/.xz-compression-with-tar-726007/
[23:13] <gangil1> Aacron: what's the remedy? if any.O:-)
[23:13] <LinuX2half> auto-apt run config failed?
[23:13] <aoupi> AcidBurn: says right there, install xz stuff
[23:13] <LinuX2half> why it failed?
[23:13] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: what did it say (don't paste here if it´ s more than 1 line)
[23:14] <AcidBurn> aoupi: Synatpic?
[23:14] <aoupi> AcidBurn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tar/+bug/385624
[23:15] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, http://paste.ubuntu.com/203821/
[23:16] <theunixgeek> How do I install a non-3.5 compatible theme on Firefox 3.5 RC2?
[23:17] <Aacron> gangil:  remedy for?
[23:17] <AcidBurn> aoupi: why on earth do people compress with this extension?!/
[23:17] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: don't know, flannel hinted me at auto-apt but I never used it; that is a very minimal error message I'm afraid
[23:17] <bastidrazor> theunixgeek, you wait till they make it available for 3.5
[23:17] <bishop> leaving...
[23:17] <theunixgeek> bastidrazor: besides that; there are probably some workarounds available
[23:17] <Lancen833> Can someone help me with a display issue?
[23:17] <keri> VCoolio: F11 does nothing
[23:18] <obione> hello everyone
[23:18] <DasEi> !details | Lancen833
[23:18] <Lancen833> Alright
[23:18] <obione> does an
[23:18] <LinuX2half> who's flannel?
[23:18] <VCoolio> keri: don't ten, thought this might have been your problem http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/11/howto-fix-firefox-taking-up-whole.html
[23:19] <VCoolio> keri: *don't know then
[23:19] <obione> does anyone have a video capture card with chipset zoran and model        zr36057pqc
[23:19] <obione> can't find drivers :(
[23:19] <bastidrazor> theunixgeek, there is. find the file that checks what version of firefox you have.
[23:19] <Lancen833> DasEi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1197093
[23:20] <LinuX2half> anyone know how to install a extracted folder?
[23:21] <LinuX2half> the folder is clamav-0.95.2
[23:22] <obione> am I on-line ?
[23:22] <sebsebseb> obione: no
[23:22] <obione> ok
[23:22] <gangil2> yo buddy
[23:22] <obione> loooool sebse.
[23:22] <obione> loooool sebsebseb
[23:23] <Dave__> How do i re-connect my internet when it disconnects
[23:23] <logankoester> Can anyone tell me how to check the installed version number of a package from the shell?
[23:23] <LinuX2half> no one know how to install a extracted folder?
[23:24] <matreya6> I'm trying to finalize an Ubuntu 9.04 64Bit's installation on the following config: 2 RAID 1 Volumes, 1st WinXP32Bit, 2nd: Linux64. The entire install is done, except that GRUB only installs to the MBR of the 2nd disk, causing WinXP to boot without any GRUB to switch to the fully installed Ubuntu. I've tried dropping to rescue mode, but even though the Alternate Live CD asks me if I want to activate H/W RAID, the volumes's don't show up in fdisk -l, nor
[23:24] <matreya6>  can I use them to install GRUB on the 1st Volume (shared with WinXP)
[23:24] <obione> can anyone can tell me where to find drivers and info on a capture card with chipset zoran  model  zr36057pqc   ...   I'm tired of searching ...
[23:24] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: did you cd into that folder before doing the auto-apt command?
[23:25] <DasEi> Lancen833: I think I can't help you too far as I'm leaving soon, which graphics-card do you use // the upgrade-process might have fixed something, but if you installed on another pc, recompiling kernel might be usefull
[23:25] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, no is it cd clamac-0.95.2?
[23:25] <Lancen833> How might I do that?
[23:25] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: where is the folder?
[23:26] <DasEi> !dualhead | Lancen833
[23:26] <Lancen833> Thanks
[23:26] <LinuX2half> vcoolio in the front desktop
[23:26] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: then "cd Desktop/clamav" and press tab
[23:26] <DasEi> Lancen833: I think first you got to get the correct driver working (even single-head), then figure out dualhead
[23:27] <aspidites> what would cause kde 4(.2.4) to drop to init 3 instead of kdm when logging out?
[23:27] <terquilino> hey
[23:27] <Lancen833> DasEi: Well, like I said, it was working just ifne until I changed the settings to allow true dual.
[23:27] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, cd desktop/clamav-0.95.2, it gave me error that said no such file/directory.
[23:28] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: capital D for Desktop
[23:28] <terquilino> michael jackson is dead!
[23:28] <trucMuche> …
[23:28] <DasEi> Lancen833: driver configured / out of the box..
[23:29] <trucMuche> !offtopic | terquilino
[23:29] <cma> I just saw that anouncement too
[23:29] <LinuX2half> okay now the header look like ubuntu2009@unbuntu2009-laptop:~/Desktop/clamav-0.95.2$
[23:29] <LinuX2half> vcoolio ubuntu2009@unbuntu2009-laptop:~/Desktop/clamav-0.95.2$(header)
[23:30] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: now try the auto-apt thing again
[23:30] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, so know I enter auto-apt run ./configure?
[23:30] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: yep
[23:30] <Lancen833> DasEi: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting a reinstall of linux or that I compile a driver in shell without logging into linux?
[23:30] <Lancen833> DasEi: or neither?
[23:30] <matreya6> Anyone who can assist with an install on RAID1?
[23:31] <DasEi> Lancen833: which graphics do you use ?did you install a driver ?
[23:31] <Lancen833> DasEi: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801
[23:32] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, okay after scanning it said I need to install zlib/-devel packages
[23:32] <orudie> good bye Michael Jackson :(
[23:32] <trucMuche> :|
[23:32] <Lancen833> DasEi: I believe I did not install the proprietary driver
[23:32] <Lancen833> DasEi: I believe I did not install the proprietary driver
[23:32] <trucMuche> courage Flannel :)
[23:32] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: ok, do that: sudo apt-get install libghc6-zlib-dev
[23:33] <dsdeiz> hi how do you guys get google-chrome to play flash?
[23:34] <Flannel> orudie: This channel is a support channel, please help keep it on topic.  There are other places for general discussion.  Thanks.
[23:35] <DasEi> Lancen833:  Radeon HD 4870   << link took endless to load; did you check for a linux-driver / a software suite (including dualhead control) at ATI ? also see :
[23:35] <DasEi> !hardware
[23:36] <CybeRebel> hello :) my firefox check updates has recently become disabled, anyone know what is wrong?
[23:36] <a> hi
[23:36] <Lancen833> DasEi: How should I go about installing this driver? I cannot access Linux's GUI at all. :( Thanks for your help so far!
[23:37] <DasEi> Lancen833: first thing when read your forum post is that if you ""recorded"" the hd on a different machine, wrong drivers might be in , even after the dist-upgrade, so you should check syslog and messages; didn't you say you could boot the old kernel ?
[23:38] <ARMENIAN> does anyone know how to toggle on and off notify-osd?
[23:39] <Lancen833> DasEi: New Kernel NEVER booted. It just hung. Old Kernel booted but I messed up the graphics trying to dual screen.
[23:39] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, its taking a while to finished its installation, its still 62%.
[23:39] <Lancen833> DasEi: At this point i can access neither, but I have shell on the new one.
[23:40] <DasEi> Lancen833:  busybox or shell ?
[23:40] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: that's the download part I think, installing shouldn't take too long
[23:40] <syslq78> Anyone using disown command?
[23:40] <Lancen833> DasEi: Likely busybox, as it comes before the login splash. >_>
[23:41] <ARMENIAN> How do you toggle notify-OSD on and off?
[23:41] <DasEi> Lancen833:  busybox so, you know safemode, don't you ?
[23:42] <Lancen833> DasEi: Command is just Safemode?
[23:42] <DasEi> Lancen833:  nope, when grub comes up saying loading.. press "Esc" and go to single(rescue) mode, which brings you to a command prompt without x
[23:43] <Lancen833> DasEi: I will try.
[23:43] <DasEi> !X
[23:43] <matreya6> does anyone know which grub version is used on the Ubuntu 9.04 64Bit Alternate Install disk?
[23:43] <DasEi> Lancen833:  this is the part isn't working no more, but singlemode should still
[23:44] <DasEi> Lancen833:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878709
[23:44] <donny> does any one know how to play music i got from limewire
[23:44] <kyleQ> anybody know any good chat software that will work on ubuntu for leisure purposes
[23:44] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio, alright it had finished installing, I'll  go with auto-apt command again?
[23:44] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: yes, hope it is better now
[23:44] <matreya6> donny, what kind of file format is the music in?
[23:44] <solexious|netbk> Is it possible to share bluetooth devices? I have a bt gps receiver, only one device can connect at any time, but I would like to get gps data to my netbook and my phone. Is it possible to route it though ubuntu and back out all over bluetooth
[23:45] <Lancen833>  DasEi: It brings me back to bios when I hit escape
[23:45] <kyleQ> anybody know any good chat software that will work on ubuntu for leisure purposes
[23:45] <donny> mateya6: it says .au
[23:45] <matreya6> kyleQ, use Pidgin
[23:45] <DasEi> Lancen833:  nah, wait a little longer 'till it says GRUB loading, please wait
[23:46] <chevdor> kyleQ: it depends on the network you want, indeed pidgin handles a few
[23:46] <kyleQ> thats not instant messaging
[23:46] <matreya6> kyleQ, You mean VOIP with "chat"?
[23:46] <Lancen833> DasEi: Ok
[23:46] <chevdor> kyleQ what do u need ? MSN ? IRC ? ICQ ? ...
[23:46] <LinuX2half> vcoolio okay it finished scanning
[23:47] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, the folder is installed?
[23:47] <kyleQ> just random chat... like chat rooms
[23:47] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: now "make" that can take a few minutes
[23:47] <DasEi> Lancen833:  brew a uuntu-bean ;-)
[23:47] <kyleQ> for example yahoo chat rooms\
[23:47] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, make install you mean?
[23:47] <matreya6> kyleQ, that is possible with multiple clients, Pidgin supports Yahoo or MSN chatrooms for sure.
[23:47] <Lancen833> DasEi: OMG! The window to push that is impossibly small
[23:48] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: no, "make" and third and last "sudo checkinstall" and then it is installed and you can delete the folder if you want
[23:48] <grof_Mofardin> did enyone know e-mail to report "nacistic abuse on ubuntu-irc" ?
[23:48] <Lancen833> DasEi: About 1/30th sec
[23:48] <chevdor> kyleQ dont know that sorry.... IRC has 'chat rooms' even though it is called channels but I don't know if this what u are looking for
[23:48] <DasEi> Lancen833:  the grub-screen ?
[23:48] <zleap> i thought msn closed down the chatrooms and yahoo chatrooms were full of bots
[23:48] <Lancen833> DasEi: I am running SATA 2 on a SSD
[23:48] <Lancen833> DasEi: IT LOADS FAST
[23:48] <Lancen833> DasEi: D:
[23:48] <kyleQ> nopers
[23:48] <pw-toxic> hi, i want my dhcpd only listen to one specific interface.. how can i do this?
[23:48] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, so I typed in make and then sudo checkinstall?
[23:48] <kyleQ> all well thanks anyway
[23:48] <pw-toxic> i'm running in a multi DHCP environment because i have a double NAT ;)
[23:49] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: yes
[23:49] <matreya6> kyleQ, please be more specific, people are guessing what you want to help you. That is not efficient.
[23:50] <kyleQ> ur moms not efficient
[23:50] <chevdor> ....kiddies...
[23:50] <zimbres> how do I force make to compile te code?
[23:50] <matreya6> !troll | kyleQ
[23:50] <chevdor> matreya6: he's gone
[23:50] <DasEi> Lancen833:  at this specs you have no way to attach a cd ?
[23:50] <matreya6> chevdor, good riddance...
[23:50] <Lancen833> DasEi: Ok, it doesn't seem to work. I spammed esc as fast as I could.
[23:51] <Pici> !ot
[23:51] <Lancen833> DasEi: I left some room to slot on a cdrom drive on top
[23:51] <Lancen833> DasEi: Will try grub one more time
[23:51] <donny> how do i untnstall limewire
[23:52] <chevdor> matreya6: ihih :) (not english, I just learned a good one :))
[23:52] <matreya6> donny, just apt-get remove limewire
[23:52] <DasEi> Lancen833:  by default grub itselfs delays few seconds, should be possible
[23:53] <donny> when i do it says this
[23:53] <donny> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[23:53] <GnuSeb> Let's be honest here though, if you know the answer is because you have already voluntarily looked for it unrecquiredly and if you're in this chat you're either to get help or to help voluntarily and without charge, so, is there an application I can convert different audio formats to AAC ?
[23:53] <donny> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[23:53] <Lancen833> DasEi: It just breezes through it. ESC has no context in the menu before grub pops up, so I've tried pushing the button as fast as I can until grub finishes loading. It remains non-responsive
[23:53] <matreya6> chevdor, I'm not English if that's what you mean... ;-)
[23:54] <zopiac1> how do i upgrade to 9.04? it isnt showing up in the update manager
[23:54] <chevdor> matreya6: noooo, I meant III am not english and I did not know this term "good riddance", sounds funny :)
[23:54]  * G69 Breaking News: Morreu o Michael Jackson. - http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-hospitalized/?hp
[23:54] <DasEi> Lancen833:  if you made grub pop up, you're there.. otherwise won't see grub-popup
[23:54] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, why is it taking so long, is the folder being installed or being compiled?
[23:55] <donny> when i do it says
[23:55] <donny> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[23:55] <matreya6> chevdor, Ah, I see! , well good riddance means so much as: "Glad to see that he/ she is gone" ;-)
[23:55] <donny> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[23:55] <Pici> This is a support channel, lets keep it on topic folks.
[23:55] <matreya6> donny, prefix apt-get with sudo
[23:55] <DasEi> Lancen833:  press arrow down one time after popup by Esc
[23:55] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: the make part is preparing to install on your system, the install part will go very fast
[23:56] <default> k aie
[23:56] <donny> thank you
[23:56] <Lancen833> DasEi: I'm not sure I understand
[23:56] <chevdor> zopiac1: gksu “update-manager -c ”
[23:56] <matreya6> donny, that would be: sudo apt-get remove limewire (Not that this does not work if you have other package install programs open, like aptitude or Synaptic)
[23:56] <Lancen833> DasEi: It does the same thing regardless of whether or not i push esc
[23:56] <dean74> Hi, I'm a bit of a linux noob can someone help walk me through on how to change a driver?
[23:56] <matreya6> donny, No => Note (Sorry about that typo)
[23:56] <chevdor> dean74: can u explain more what u are trying to do ?
[23:57] <Lancen833> DasEi: It gives me a list of Kernels and OSs to choose from
[23:57] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, okay its done now I enter sudo checkinstall it said should I create a default doc. pak.
[23:57] <zopiac1> chevdor: it says command not found
[23:57] <DasEi> Lancen833:  YES!
[23:57] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: no idea about the doc.pak, but sudo checkinstall is the last step
[23:57] <chevdor> zopiac1: ??? what did you put at the prompt exactly ?
[23:57] <dean74> there is a driver someone else wrote for my version of laptop Lenovo SL500 and I feel like it is better then what I have right now, as the current drivers hotkeys don't work http://github.com/tetromino/lenovo-sl-laptop/tree/master
[23:58] <DasEi> Lancen833:  there are two lines for each kernel, choose a second one
[23:58] <dean74> chevdor ^^^
[23:58] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, then I'll say yes.
[23:58] <matreya6> dean74, the general way to remove a kernel module driver is to use rmmod <driver>
[23:58] <Lancen833> DasEi: , all this work to bring us exactly to where I was before! Hehe. thanks
[23:58] <VCoolio> LinuX2half: it's something default so it won't harm
[23:58] <Lancen833> DasEi: i have tried booting up in recovery mode
[23:58] <zopiac1> chevdor: well using gksu told me that i should use sudo, and so i replaced gksu with sudo and it said: sudo: “update-manager: command not found
[23:58] <Lancen833> DasEi: Newest kernel still hangs
[23:58] <matreya6> dean74, of course you can only do this as root, or as sudoer/ su'er
[23:59] <Lancen833> DasEi: Older kernel gives me a list of options
[23:59] <VCoolio> How do I prevent a cron job from opening a gnome-terminal window along with the command being executed?
[23:59] <Flannel> zopiac1: Are you using a server version?
[23:59] <dean74> matreya6: could you possibly help walk me through it?
[23:59] <Lancen833> DasEi: I have tried most...
[23:59] <zopiac1> Flannel: no, i am not
[23:59] <matreya6> dean74, what kind of a driver are you trying to de-install?
[23:59] <dean74> matreya6: I know how to use sudo
[23:59] <DasEi> Lancen833:  you said it only brought you to busybox, which is.. anyway, so yes, you have a commandlne
[23:59] <Lancen833> DasEi: Thanks for all of your help so far
[23:59] <LinuX2half> vcoolio, now it said I need to write a description and end with a EOF/empty line
[23:59] <chevdor> zopiac1: did u try sudo apt-get update-manager ?
[23:59] <Lancen833> DasEi: No no, only the newest kernels bring me to busybox
[23:59] <Lancen833> DasEi: Sory
[23:59] <LinuX2half> Vcoolio I wrote a default doc. the I hit enter?
[23:59] <chevdor> zopiac1: sorry "sudo apt-get install update-manager"


[09:54] <stickupkid> achilleasa, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12428 progress bar test fixes
[12:09] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa: Trivial: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12429
[14:30] <stickupkid_> manadart, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12432


[01:25] <echosystm> what distros are highly secure out of the box, without much config needed?
[01:26] <echosystm> for a server
[01:26] <echosystm> i know fedora uses selinux and ubuntu uses apparmor, but i dont know the details
[01:26] <echosystm> are most packages somehow preconfigured to be secure using those tools?
[02:22] <sarnold> echosystm: out of the box ubuntu ought to be alright; iirc there should only be the mdns port opened. probably the weakest portion of ubuntu's out-of-box security is that the ssh daemon accepts passwords for authentication.
[08:17] <curmet> hello I've installed mysql on ubuntu machine. But can't access it via windows machine. it says "lost connection to mysql server at reading initial communication packet ,system error:2
[08:17] <curmet> I ve set the root user to be accessed from %
[08:17] <curmet> Flushed priviles
[08:17] <curmet> And disabled the firewall.
[08:17] <curmet> What else? thanks before
[09:19] <prago_1> hi. when I change network interfaces names to legacy names (eth0,...) via /etc/default/grub:   net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
[09:19] <prago_1> I have NO interface at all after reboot.. in any other ubuntu distro with desktop, this works.
[09:19] <prago_1> any idea?
[09:20] <rbasak> prago_1: are you sure you have no interface? Or just no active ones? Are you using "ifconfig" instead of "ifconfig -a" for example?
[09:20] <prago_1> wait...
[09:20] <rbasak> ("ip link" is newer; I'm not sure if it defaults to active ones or not)
[09:21] <prago_1> ifconfig -a shows it
[09:21] <prago_1> you are right..
[09:21] <rbasak> So you probably want to fix /etc/network/interfaces then, and you should be good?
[09:22] <prago_1> yes thats it.. thanks a lot :-)
[09:23] <rbasak> No problem :)
[10:36] <huwjr> heya i used to use installers from here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/installer-amd64
[10:36] <huwjr> can someone confirm what I should be using now as: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64 doesn’t exist
[10:36] <huwjr> i am assuming: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/ ?
[10:37] <hateball> huwjr: Is there something wrong with http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server ?
[10:41] <huwjr> it’s all scripted on my hypervisor
[10:41] <hateball> Grab it from cdimages then
[16:00] <rodlogic> Great, Xenial EC2 images are now available ...
[16:41] <codepython777> can anyone help me create a wifi hotspot using commandline? (on ubuntu 14.04)
[16:43] <robb_nl> codepython777, try to search on hostapd
[16:44] <robb_nl> http://dothisbest.com/how-to/turn-linux-machine-wifi-access-point/
[17:02] <hallyn> smb: arges: sarnold: thoughts on switching the libvirt admin group (libvirtd) to being libvirt as in debian?
[17:02] <hallyn> we could just through 18.04 have both entries with same group number in /etc/group ?
[17:02] <hallyn> (for upgrades only of course)
[17:06] <arges> hallyn: if we are going to change it probably better earlier than later
[17:06] <smb> hallyn, without much time to think about it: moving towards same name as debian sounds like something we want to do. having two groups with the same id sounds rather evil. I'd tend to more like a rename in post-inst. just as a feeling
[17:06] <hallyn> evil?  bah
[17:07] <hallyn> i don't see the problem :)
[17:07] <hallyn> sarnold: ^ is such a thing known to have ever caused a subtle security issue?
[17:12] <hallyn> well i'll start by doing it and if we find a better way we can switch - it'll be weeks before i'm ready to merge this i bet
[17:17] <LostSoul> Hello
[17:19] <LostSoul> I've met this strange issue with LXC. Suddenly my ubuntu started to fill swap to 100% and then kill some processes on Containers, but there was like 20-30GB free RAM memory
[17:19] <LostSoul> I changed swappiness to 10 from 60, and same stuff happened, have somebody faced such issue?
[17:30] <bekks> LostSoul: Changing swappiness from 10 to 60 causes exactly that. "Start swapping at 60% free RAM".
[17:30] <bekks> LostSoul: And with an unmodified vm.oom_killer setting, the system will randomly start killing process, instead of killing the process causing the memory overallocation.
[17:36] <bekks> LostSoul: On my servers, I'm settings swappiness to 1, and vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=1
[17:44] <LostSoul> No, no bekks
[17:44] <LostSoul> I changed from 60 to 10
[17:44] <LostSoul> And I changed it after this swap losing
[17:44] <LostSoul> But it didn't help
[17:45] <LostSoul> I tried to use lxc groups on memory and swap but it caused killing apps on containers
[17:45] <RoyK> LostSoul: pastebin output of 'free', please
[17:46] <bekks> LostSoul: "No" to which aspect?
[17:46] <RoyK> bekks: 19:44 <        LostSoul > I changed from 60 to 10
[17:47] <LostSoul> Now it unmounted swap but sure
[17:47] <LostSoul> Give me second I will try to reproduce it
[17:47] <RoyK> LostSoul: if swap is 100% full, it usually means you're out of memory
[17:47] <RoyK> that simple
[17:49] <LostSoul> RoyK: Thing is Swap is full, but I still have 15-20GB of memory..
[17:49] <RoyK> LostSoul: pastebin output of "free", please
[17:49] <alkisg> Do lxc containers have access to the whole memory by default, or is there a soft limit for them?
[17:49] <bekks> LostSoul: Swap isnt even mounted.
[17:52] <LostSoul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16110286/
[17:52] <LostSoul> alexisb: Whole
[17:52] <RoyK> LostSoul: is that on the guest or the host?
[17:52] <LostSoul> Host
[17:52] <RoyK> what about the guest?
[17:53] <LostSoul> I don't know how to limit it but once I limited lxc cgroups for mem and swap I got it killed
[17:53] <RoyK> 'free' on the guest?
[17:53] <LostSoul> I've got like 40-50 guests, I will past one, is that fine?
[17:53] <bekks> LostSoul: Then your limit is too low.
[17:53] <hallyn> smb: is libvirt-migrate-xend-managed-domains.1 still needed as of 16.04 ?
[17:54] <RoyK> LostSoul: start with one
[17:54] <LostSoul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16110596/
[17:54] <LostSoul> It was working like a charm
[17:54] <LostSoul> But since yesterday its not working
[17:55] <bekks> So what did you change since yesterday?
[17:55] <LostSoul> I mean once swap is on, its going crazy
[17:55] <bekks> And I told you why.
[17:55] <LostSoul> I didn't change anything - here is the thing
[17:56] <LostSoul> on containers there are FFs that does some tests, it is possible something changed on site/service and FF got memory leaks?
[17:56] <LostSoul> But on the other hand how it that possible that when i turned off swap (swapoff -a) it work like a charm?
[17:56] <bekks> LostSoul: How about implementing the solution proposed instead? :)
[17:56] <LostSoul> What could gone wrong?
[17:56] <LostSoul> What solution bekks? :)
[17:57] <bekks> I told you what to do :)
[17:57] <LostSoul> Increase limits?
[17:57] <bekks> No.
[17:57] <LostSoul> But how and where should I check them?
[17:57] <LostSoul> I didn't change anything
[17:58] <RoyK> for host in host1 host2 host3 ... ; do echo [17:58] <RoyK> something like that - to show available memory for all hosts
[17:58] <bekks> "0428 194424 < LostSoul> I changed from 60 to 10".
[17:58] <RoyK> and perhaps setup munin or something to monitor your system
[17:58] <LostSoul> bekks: I changed from 60 to 10 AFTER it happened
[17:58] <bekks> And fixing swappiness, and the OOM killer behaviout.
[17:58] <LostSoul> But it didn't solve the problem
[17:58] <bekks> Of course it doesnt. I told you why.
[17:59] <RoyK> munin isn't the most flashy of things, but it works well
[17:59] <RoyK> and it's very easy to setup
[17:59] <LostSoul> Ok bekks, but I still don't get it
[17:59] <RoyK> especially if you have something like ansible to do the job
[17:59] <bekks> LostSoul: you dont get what exactly?
[17:59] <RoyK> LostSoul: do you have any monitoring of these machines?
[18:00] <LostSoul> If swappiness 10 means "start swapping when you reach 10% of free RAM" then I should have full swap when I have 20-25GB of free RAM :O
[18:00] <bekks> LostSoul: Did you even _activate_ that setting, too?
[18:00] <RoyK> LostSoul: what does 'sysctl vm.swappiness' have to say?
[18:00] <RoyK> anyway - a full swap shouldn't trigger OOM if there's free memory
[18:01] <LostSoul> vm.swappiness = 10
[18:01] <RoyK> good
[18:01] <RoyK> LostSoul: do you have any monitoring?
[18:01] <bekks> And whats the output of sysctl vm.oom_kill_allocating_task ?
[18:01] <LostSoul> Yeah, our internal stuff
[18:02] <RoyK> what sorts?
[18:02] <LostSoul> bekks: vm.oom_kill_allocating_task = 0
[18:02] <bekks> LostSoul: Thats why tasks are killed randomly.
[18:02] <LostSoul> I'm not even sure it was killed randomly or it started to be overloaded
[18:03] <RoyK> bekks: not quite sure why OOM should step in at all when there's free memory - and lots of it
[18:03] <bekks> It was overloaded and therefore started to kill randomly.
[18:03] <LostSoul> I faced ooem killer after cgroups, but what happened in grid I can't say for sure
[18:03] <LostSoul> I would say 2 tests were crashing FF and it got memory leak, on the other hand I don't get why swap was getting fully loaded
[18:04] <bekks> RoyK: In case just one of the process tried to allocate more RAM than was available, the OOM killer started to kill random processes, killed another even bigger process - and you'll have what we can see in the paste.
[18:04] <LostSoul> Strange but not it doesn't moving
[18:04] <LostSoul> bekks: So do you advice to use vm.oom_kill_allocating_task = 1?
[18:04] <bekks> LostSoul: For the fourth time, yes.
[18:04] <RoyK> LostSoul: sounds like a good idea
[18:05] <sarnold> hallyn,smb,arges, changing the name to match debian makes sense, but .. devil's advocate here, 16.04 lts is already out the door. would it make more sense to change debian? two groups with one id shouldn't be a security issue but it could be seriously confusing to humans.
[18:05] <LostSoul> bekks, RoyK: Thanks guys
[18:05] <LostSoul> Sorry it's hard for me to show whole story
[18:05] <LostSoul> If it happens again I will ping you both, if you don't mind
[18:06] <LostSoul> Maybe I need to give bigger introduction
[18:06] <bekks> LostSoul: Ping the guys monitoring your servers, first :)
[18:06] <RoyK> LostSoul: or setup something like munin :P
[18:06] <RoyK> LostSoul: so you can see it all yourself
[18:07] <LostSoul> I can try Munin
[18:07] <RoyK> LostSoul: maybe zabbix is a bit better for some things, but it's way harder to learn
[18:07] <LostSoul> Let me check what's that
[18:07] <bekks> Or Nagios, or check_mk, or or or :)
[18:07] <RoyK> et cetera et cetera ad infinitum
[18:08] <RoyK> LostSoul: just start with munin - it's easy to setup and it gives you those nice graphs
[18:09] <RoyK> and perhaps limit the amount of memory per guest to something that should be decent
[18:09] <RoyK> depending on the guest's need, of course
[18:10] <RoyK> a small webserver won't need much - the host is doing the caching anyway
[18:12] <LostSoul> Yeah, I see that swap went to 0 since yestarday morning
[18:12] <sarnold> there's entirely too many monitoring choices :)
[18:13] <LostSoul> :P
[18:13] <bekks> LostSoul: Whats the outcome of "cat /proc/swaps"?
[18:13] <hallyn> sarnold: i don't see changing it in debian as an option.  i suppose i could ask, but...
[18:13] <sarnold> i've gone around in circles dozens of times trying to find The One to use but each tool has its adherants, and somehow all the other tools are missing that one feature that they need..
[18:13] <sarnold> hallyn: alright. I just had to ask.. I had the impression we were leading debian on libvirt..
[18:14] <LostSoul> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16113080/
[18:14] <RoyK> sarnold: we (at hioa.no) have been through the "which monitoring system to use" for years, and we are stearing towards zabbix
[18:14] <LostSoul> Now it seems stable and not moving. I think it was one test that due to FF killed it. I proceeded with lxc cgroups mem limits and I killed it in other way so it seems like 1 big problem but I cause 2
[18:15] <hallyn> sarnold: a year or two ago we might have been able to.  well i'll look at the history and see.
[18:15] <hallyn> thx
[18:16] <LostSoul> THanks guys :)
[18:17] <RoyK> LostSoul: if you want better isolation between the guests, kvm might be an option
[18:17] <bekks> Or a L1 hypervisor.
[18:18] <LostSoul> Ou hell
[18:18] <LostSoul> I found it was this one test
[18:18] <LostSoul> It killed 35G of memory - do you belive it? :O
[18:18] <RoyK> bekks: /me can
[18:18] <LostSoul> Do you remember first host free -m ?
[18:18] <sarnold> RoyK: thanks :)
[18:19] <LostSoul> Check this one after 1minute of FF hanging
[18:19] <RoyK> bekks: what do you mean? xen? esxi?
[18:19] <bekks> RoyK: Yeah.
[18:19] <RoyK> why not kvm?
[18:19] <RoyK> should do just as well
[18:20] <LostSoul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16113830/
[18:20] <LostSoul> Check this after 30-60 second member was going down with the leak I guess
[18:20] <RoyK> still 50 gigs of buffers
[18:20] <bekks> RoyK: I started to dislike a couple of years ago when it gave me issues which did not exist in other hypervisors.
[18:20] <RoyK> LostSoul: seriously - don't let a single guest use all your memory - it's *not* a good idea
[18:21] <RoyK> bekks: like what?
[18:21] <LostSoul> I forgot to tell you guys:
[18:21]  * RoyK is curious
[18:21] <LostSoul> tmpfs                                  50G   40G   11G  79% /var/lib/lxc
[18:22] <bekks> RoyK: Issues with sharing disks between vms, a missing graphical interface (a few years ago), isses with networking, and stuff like that.
[18:22] <LostSoul> Thanks
[18:22] <LostSoul> I now have idea to limit it to 3G
[18:22] <bekks> LostSoul: To limit what exactly?
[18:22] <RoyK> bekks: what sort of sharing between guests?
[18:22] <RoyK> bekks: cluster filsystems?
[18:22] <LostSoul> bekks: Mem on single container
[18:23] <bekks> RoyK: One disk, multiple guests accessing it. Cluster filesystems (active-active cluster) or just being able to use the same disk (active-passive).
[18:23] <RoyK> which fs?
[18:24] <bekks> RoyK: vxfs.
[18:24] <RoyK> erm...
[18:24] <RoyK> iirc that's not native on linux
[18:25] <RoyK> seems it iss
[18:25] <RoyK> seems it is
[18:25] <bekks> Its a 3rd party product. And that product runs on Linux, quite well. :)
[18:25] <RoyK> I've been using GFS2 for something like this
[18:26] <RoyK> worked ok, although it was only a pilot setup
[18:28] <leitao> jgrimm, Hello. quick question, do you know when docker 1.11 will make 16.04?
[18:29] <jgrimm> leitao, we are targetting 1.11.1
[18:29] <jgrimm> so goal within 2 weeks of that.  general feeling is to let 1.11 settle a bit
[18:30] <linuxlove> hello
[18:31] <leitao> jgrimm, good. That is what I need. Thank you!
[18:31] <jgrimm> leitao, np
[18:34] <linuxlove> i am on a server with dynamic ip i configured my domain names with ddclient to work with dynamic ips i need to configure apache to redirect difference domains to difference directories how can i do that ?
[18:35] <bekks> The same way as with static ips. Use virtual hostnames.
[18:37] <linuxlove> bekks, you mean i need to add <VirtualHost *:80>
[18:37] <linuxlove>     DocumentRoot "/www/example1"
[18:37] <linuxlove>     ServerName www.example.com
[18:37] <linuxlove>
[18:37] <linuxlove>     # Other directives here

[18:37] <linuxlove> <VirtualHost *:80>
[18:37] <linuxlove>     DocumentRoot "/www/example2"
[18:37] <linuxlove>     ServerName www.example.org
[18:37] <linuxlove>     # Other directives here

[18:37] <bekks> ignore set.
[18:37] <bekks> Use a pastebin next time.
[18:37] <linuxlove> my domains are dahliaco.com
[18:37] <linuxlove> and khoonehbazar.com
[18:40] <linuxlove> bekks, i need to replace my domains with www.example.com ?
[18:40] <RoyK> !pastebin | linuxlove
[18:41] <nacc> linuxlove: i think this gives many good examples: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/examples.html
[18:42] <caliculk> Just curious, but what agent based inventory management system do you use to monitor serial numbers for all hardware installed on servers? Whether it is a paid for solution or open source. Currently in the market to try and find one, but having some difficulties finding a good one.
[18:42] <linuxlove> nacc, while i dont have static ip i should use <VirtualHost *:80>?
[18:43] <linuxlove> nacc, and add it to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
[18:43] <nacc> linuxlove: i'm not sure what static or dynamic IP has to do with this?
[18:44] <bekks> Actually nothing.
[18:44] <sarnold> caliculk: i've never heard of such a tool in anything except terrible tivoli-style tools..
[18:44] <sarnold> caliculk: if it were my problem i'd probably try to script up something with ssh hostname lshw ... :)
[18:44] <caliculk> So you don't use any inventory management solution for enterprise business?
[18:44] <bekks> caliculk: Our agent-based inventory system for serial numbers is called Jeff, Harry and Steve.
[18:45] <linuxlove> bekks, does it work for dynamic ip <VirtualHost *:80>?
[18:45] <caliculk> Hm, yeah, at the rate that we are expanding our datacenter, Jeff, Harry and Steve are going to have a rough time.
[18:45] <bekks> caliculk: Serial numbers are inventorized prior roll-out of the device to the customer.
[18:45] <bekks> caliculk: We have no need for such an agent-based system.
[18:45] <sarnold> caliculk: never had to care :) hehe
[18:45] <sarnold> caliculk: -maybe- landscape has some "machine information" page that would suffice?
[18:46] <linuxlove> bekks, ?
[18:46] <bekks> caliculk: For a on-demand scan, we have out own tool, which is able to "scan" various operating system. etc.
[18:47] <caliculk> linuxlove it looks like he put you on ignore, since you spammed the shit out of the channel. He can't see your messages.
[18:47] <caliculk> bekks, most of the on-demand scan tools I saw are unable to pull serial numbers from devices. At least, from what I searched.
[18:47] <bekks> caliculk: Our tool is.
[18:48] <caliculk> I am guessing you created the tool?
[18:48] <caliculk> ;)
[18:48] <caliculk> Or it's inhouse
[18:49] <bekks> A colleague of mine created it, and it fits out use case exactly.
[18:49] <bekks> *our
[18:50] <bekks> For us, it turned out that there actually is no such system out there which grabs all the information we need.
[18:51] <randymarsh9> hello
[18:52] <randymarsh9> can somebody explain the difference between exporting and copying?
[18:52] <randymarsh9> i feel like they mean the same thing
[18:52] <bekks> exporting what? Copying what?
[18:52] <randymarsh9> bekks: any file type
[18:53] <nacc> randymarsh9: there was zero context, your question means very little on its own; i don't even know what "exporting a file type" would mean
[18:53] <sarnold> randymarsh9: are you referring to terms on a document? what url?
[18:53] <bekks> Or "copying a file type".
[18:55] <randymarsh9> exporting a file type, be it a csv, pst, database
[18:55] <randymarsh9> how is that different than copying?
[18:55] <bekks> Exporting it from which program?
[18:56] <randymarsh9> bekks: are you implying that exprorting something has a different context depending on the program in question
[18:56] <randymarsh9> ?
[18:56] <bekks> Are you finally starting to give us some valuable context?
[18:56] <nacc> "exporting" is not a generic UNIX term, except for possibly enviornment variables
[18:57] <nacc> randymarsh9: please start from the beginning and clearly state what you are trying to do and what your confusion is?
[18:57] <randymarsh9> i'm not asking for clarification on one specific scenario
[18:57] <nacc> randymarsh9: "copying" and "exporting" don't have generic meanings relative to "file types"
[18:58] <randymarsh9> nacc: they don't?
[18:58] <bekks> No, they dont.
[18:58] <linuxlove> nacc, could you take a look at http://pastebin.com/Vsi0XBhS
[18:58] <bekks> "copying" and "exporting" have different meanings for almost every use case.
[18:58] <nacc> linuxlove: that is a listing of a directory.
[18:58] <bekks> And totally different implementations, as well.
[18:59] <nacc> randymarsh9: are you reading some website or document? can you, as sarnold said, provide a link so we have more context?
[18:59] <nacc> randymarsh9: or what is prompting this question?
[18:59] <linuxlove> nacc, should i add my domains dahliaco.com and khoonehbazar.it to that directory
[19:00] <linuxlove> nacc, please see this also http://pastebin.com/YUq4UHmU
[19:00] <nacc> linuxlove: I don't know. I don't configure web servers myself. I believe you should just need to add VirtualHost definitions, as I referred to in the previous URL.
[19:02] <randymarsh9> sorry but you are both wrong
[19:03] <bekks> randymarsh9: How can we be wrong when you havent provided any context yet?
[19:03] <randymarsh9> beacuse the words don't differ in meaning depending on context
[19:03] <bekks> They do.
[19:03] <bekks> This isnt about grammar, this is about technical facts.
[19:04] <randymarsh9> copying means 1:1 duplicate of file; exporting means copying the file into another format
[19:04] <sarnold> randymarsh9: feel free to read all the manpages returned by "man -k export" and "man -k copy" to understand then :)
[19:04] <randymarsh9> that's all i was asking, sheesh
[19:04] <bekks> randymarsh9: Your question already had been answered and we were told we are wrong.
[19:05] <randymarsh9> "can somebody explain the difference between exporting and copying"
[19:05] <LostSoul> bekks, RoyK: Thanks guys again, you made it clearer for me and I found the problem :)
[19:05] <randymarsh9> seems like a straightforward question but apparently there is more to it than i thought
[19:05] <LostSoul> I'm out for now :)
[19:06] <linuxlove> sudo echo "<IP_ADDRESS>  dahliaco.com" >> /etc/hosts
[19:06] <bekks> randymarsh9: There is no generic answer since it depends on the CONTEXT.
[19:06] <linuxlove> what can i replace with <IP_ADDRESS> while i am using a dynamic ip ?
[19:06] <bekks> LostSoul: And what was/is the problem?
[19:06] <randymarsh9> bekks: give me one example where those things mean something different depending on context
[19:06] <ogra_> well, one could probably say that copying always creates a duplicate while exporting always involves some kind of conversion ...
[19:07] <bekks> randymarsh9: Environment variables, databases, text files.
[19:07] <sarnold> randymarsh9: "export" in the sense of "change format" comes from e.g. gimp's File|Export menu.
[19:07] <ogra_> (if it is just about the meanings of the words)
[19:07] <bekks> ogra_: Which is not true. Exporting often involves copying stuff too, AND converting it.
[19:07] <sarnold> randymarsh9: "export" in the sense of "make available over the network" comes from e.g. NFS exports.
[19:08] <ogra_> bekks, and i didnt say exporting doesnt involve copying ... just that there is always some conversion involved ;)
[19:08] <sarnold> randymarsh9: "export" in the sense of "make available to another process" comes from shell environment management
[19:08] <bekks> ogra_: :P
[19:08] <ogra_> :)
[19:08] <sarnold> randymarsh9: "export" in the sense of "make available to foreign nationals" comes from putting a file on a website -- I hope you've filed for your cryptography export license when you do that :)
[19:08] <axisys> anyone know how to get around it? I cannot have hpacucli to add a logical disk
[19:08] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/07R6FB8
[19:09] <nacc> randymarsh9: keep in mind, what happened was you asked a question which, to me, lacked context. It doesn't help to get mad at me or anyone else if that's how it comes across. We are trying to help, but need information in order to do so.
[19:09] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/2W8JJGV <--  more detail
[19:09] <bekks> axisys: The message you get is VERY clear.
[19:10] <bekks> axisys: "Reason: Max array count reached". You cannot add more disks to that array.
[19:10] <linuxlove> sudo echo "<IP_ADDRESS>  laravel.example.com" >> /etc/hosts
[19:10] <linuxlove> dahliaco.com
[19:10] <axisys> bekks: I never said place in that array.. I was hoping it will create a new array
[19:10] <linuxlove> and what should i replace with <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:10] <axisys> bekks: may be I am missing a command?
[19:10] <randymarsh9> nacc: thanks but you really shouldn't be asking for context when someone asks a straightforward question like that
[19:11] <linuxlove> while my ip is dynamic ?
[19:11] <bekks> axisys: Well, in that context, it means: "you cannot create any more arrays".
[19:11] <bekks> randymarsh9: Your question wasnt straightforwards as several people told you, meanwhile.
[19:12] <axisys> bekks: hmm .. this HP has 8 slots.. my goal is to create single disk LUNs and then use software raid. not sure how to achieve that
[19:12] <randymarsh9> bekks: yes i read your response and all three of those copying and exporting would mean the exact same thing
[19:12] <axisys> dl360p gen8
[19:12] <sarnold> linuxlove: (a) sudo and echo don't work that way (b) that's a terrible idea. feel free to stop reading whatever guide told you to do that.
[19:12] <bekks> randymarsh9: No, they wouldnt. If you thing they do, you havent understood the techniques and context they are used in.
[19:12] <bekks> *think
[19:13] <bekks> randymarsh9: And your problem of understanding that will not be solved by insisting on "I am right and you are not" from your point of view.
[19:13] <bekks> -that
[19:14] <randymarsh9> same could be said to you tbh
[19:14] <nacc> randymarsh9: for instance, "exporting a text file" is, IMO, nonsense. It has, again IMO, zero meaning -- unless you specify *how* you are exporting. That's what I meant by context.
[19:14] <bekks> randymarsh9: You could, if you would know the differences stated above - which you dont.
[19:15] <nacc> randymarsh9: I really don't think your question was "straightforward" and not because it was a bad question, but because I quite literally did not understand (and still don't) what you are asking
[19:15] <bekks> nacc: He is trying to convince us that "copy" and "export" is always the same, literally.
[19:15] <randymarsh9> "can somebody explain the difference between exporting and copying"
[19:16] <randymarsh9> bekks: yes, +1 on your reading comrehension skills
[19:16] <randymarsh9> no wonder you were the first to ask for context
[19:16] <bekks> randymarsh9: Thank you. I really appreciate your compliment.
[19:18] <nacc> ok, calm down everybody; we're all trying to help and be understood
[19:18] <nacc> :)
[19:18] <bekks> I'm just happy about that compliment :)
[19:18] <nacc> randymarsh9: ok, can you, even if you don't think you should have to, explain why you are asking that question?
[19:20] <randymarsh9> nacc: already figured it out, ty
[19:20] <nacc> randymarsh9: ok
[19:31] <axisys> bekks: so I guess I need remove the disk from array B and then create a new raid1 LD with two new disks.. and then add the removed disk to array A logical drive with same size?
[19:32] <bekks> axisys: ???
[19:32] <bekks> axisys: you have 8 slots, and 8 disks. You want 8 single disks in your OS, correct?
[19:33] <axisys> I probably need to backup.. but theoretically adding a disk to the logical drive would not erase data .. correct? here is the current setup
[19:33] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/011DM7R
[19:34] <axisys> i have 8 slots.. but only two disk are in production and software raid.. just inserted two new 1TB disks there
[19:34] <bekks> axisys: And you want to add one new disk to A, and one new disk to B?
[19:34] <axisys> bekks: I cant add a 1TB to a 300GB disk
[19:34] <bekks> Why are you using software raid when having a hardware raid controller?!
[19:34] <sarnold> why aren't you using zfs? :)
[19:34] <bekks> axisys: I am asking what you WANT to do.
[19:34] <axisys> bekks: I want to add 1TB raid1 datadisk
[19:35] <bekks> axisys: So you want a third array, RAID1, right?
[19:35] <axisys> bekks: I bought two 1TB disks for that ... it had only two 300GB physical disks until today ..
[19:35] <bekks> axisys: So you want a third array, RAID1, right?
[19:36] <axisys> bekks: no, I have raid1 off of the 300G disk.. I want to add a second raid1 1TB
[19:36] <bekks> axisys: No.  I cannot have a 3rd array
[19:38] <bekks> axisys: the P420i can have up to 24 arrays.
[19:38] <axisys> bekks: seriously.. so why am I getting the max array error ?
[19:38] <bekks> axisys: Which hpacucli command are you using for adding your array?
[19:39] <axisys> bekks: I only ran this command when got the error.. I must not be using right command
[19:39] <axisys> hpacucli controller slot=0 create type=ld drives=2I:1:5 raid=0
[19:39] <axisys> bekks: ^
[19:39]  * ogra_ notes that hpacucli sounds like some aztec city ...
[19:40] <bekks> axisys: Erm, you are trying to create a single disk raid0, not a two disk raid1.
[19:40] <axisys> bekks: yes.
[19:40] <bekks> axisys: you should make up your mind what you want to do, first.
[19:40] <bekks> 0428 213709 < bekks> axisys: And you want to add a THIRD array, RAID1, 1TB.
[19:40] <axisys> bekks: I just found out about 24 arrays.. I thought it could not do that
[19:40] <bekks> 0428 213727 < axisys> bekks: third array.. correct
[19:41] <bekks> Do you want that 1TB raid1 being a software raid or a hardware raid?
[19:41] <axisys> bekks: I want two more single disk arrays, now that I found out it can have 24
[19:41] <axisys> software raid
[19:41] <axisys> software radi1
[19:41] <axisys> I want to provision them as single disk lun
[19:41] <bekks> Why, when having a HARDWARE raid controller?
[19:41] <axisys> I prefer software raid...
[19:41] <bekks> Can you then unplug the controller and send it to me, please? :P
[19:42] <axisys> bekks: I would love to... hehe
[19:42] <bekks> Or USE it, as a hardware raid controller.
[19:42] <axisys> bekks: I even requested jbod.. but still got a stupid raid controller..
[19:42] <bekks> The P420i isnt stupid at all :)
[19:42] <axisys> bekks: oh well, I was hoping you would show me how to provison a new array
[19:43] <axisys> single disk arrays
[19:43] <axisys> so far did not find anything in google on how to create a new array
[19:44] <bekks> HP has a wonderful documentation on hpacucli
[19:47] <axisys> this does not show how to create an array..
[19:47] <axisys> http://h20565.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=341566&docId=emr_na-c03493210&docLocale=en_US
[19:48] <axisys> hpacucli controller slot=0 create type=ld drives=2I:1:5 raid=0  <-- where do I say array C ? since array A and B already there
[19:48] <bekks> axisys: "create" tells the controller to create a new array.
[19:49] <axisys> bekks: but it did not work for me.. http://dpaste.com/07R6FB8
[19:56] <hallyn> sarnold: yeah, according to the git tree debian has been using 'libvirt' group since 2008.
[19:57] <sarnold> hallyn: hah. that's some history :)
[20:14] <rstarmer> Hello, I'm trying out the conjure-up openstack install (introduced by both the Canonical folks on the OpenStack summit floor, and the excellent, if short LXD OpenStack demo), and it appears that there's one pre-check missing.  I hadn't created a local ssh keypair, and the install failed due to an inability to find ~/.ssh/id_rsa.  Has anyone else seen this?
[20:15] <rstarmer> And a second build creates a failure "Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)"  Not a particularly useful error that one :(
[20:16] <axisys> bekks: may be we have to purchase a license to allow more arrays?
[20:16] <axisys> bekks: I see this in help
[20:16] <axisys>  => help add
[20:16] <axisys>  controller slot=5 add licensekey=XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX
[21:17] <nacc> any samba folks know if https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11822 is going to be backported? seen a few requests in #ubuntu over the past few days
[21:45] <rstarmer> so conjure-up seems to have a network model requirement that isn't documented.  the last error I saw before I once again got a  "Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)" failure was "Neutron can not create an external router"
[21:45] <rstarmer> am I supposed to have an extra interface, or pre-created br-ex or similar?
[21:46] <sarnold> nacc: any ubuntu bugs about it yet? any cves?
[21:46] <nacc> sarnold: no, i was asking the two folks about it in #ubuntu, but no response from them
[21:46] <nacc> sarnold: as to whether they filed a bug
[21:47] <nacc> i dont't think it's a CVE, but it's easy to hit with windows 10?
[21:47] <nacc> not sure
[21:47] <nacc> basically `smbclient ls` not working
[21:48] <bekks> It isnt expected to work :)
[21:48] <nacc> heh
[21:48] <nacc> bekks: i don't know much about samba, just paraphrasing the bug
[22:16] <jetski> I came across the conjure-up project today, has anyone had luck using the lxd-nova feature?
[22:39] <rstarmer> jetski: I've failed every try, I think there's a network config assumption that breaks the deployment
[22:40] <rstarmer> I also ran into an issue with not having had a public/private key defined initally, but that was easier to deal with first go round
[22:43] <jetski> rstarmer: interesting...I didn't know about needing a priv/pub key beforehand. My initial attempts have stalled early at "waiting for Keystone". I am looking thru logs now for other clues.
[23:09] <eatingthenight> Hello, anyone here using KVM? I have used ESXi in the past but got my hands on a few nice servers for my house and don't feel like paying for a license for personal use. KVM looks good but was wondering if it allows for stuff like cluster nodes together so i can control resource provisioning from one central location.
[23:09] <eatingthenight> Can't find much info outside the vanilla setup docs
[23:10] <caliculk> Hm, actually, I have a bit of a problem: E: Can't find a source to download version '1.0.2g-1ubuntu4' of 'libssl1.0.0:amd64'
[23:10] <caliculk> Right now the package is set to pi
[23:11] <caliculk> package status*
[23:15] <genii> !info libssl
[23:15] <jetski> yea i use kvm
[23:15] <genii> !info libssl1.0.0
[23:15] <genii> Hm, should be in main
[23:17] <teward> genii: um, it is?
[23:17] <teward> In component main
[23:20] <jetski> yea as far as i know, you have to manage kvm nodes individually, or use an orchestrator like openstack
[23:21] <genii> teward: So since main is enabled by default, the approach to caliculk's issue for me becomes: did they do sudo apt-get update? Is the archive in their sources.list file working properly otherwise? Is the ethernet connection actually working properly? .... etc :)
[23:24] <eatingthenight> jetski: aaa was just looking at openstack. I think i'll mess around with that :)
[23:26] <jetski> eatingthenight: openstack is a complex beast, I've only had luck getting a fully functional system following this guide: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/developer-docs/quickstart-aio.html
[23:27] <jetski> im interested to hear if anyone else has a dead simple deploy method for openstack
[23:28] <eatingthenight> would be nice if they had an ESXi like installer
[23:28] <eatingthenight> but free software rarely does :>
[23:32] <jetski> like i mentioned earlier, I came across this slick openstack installer for the new xenial64 ubuntu release at http://conjure-up.io , but haven't got it working yet. It's deploy method, JuJu 2.0 looks really impressive, though
[23:47] <sarnold> have you tried this yet? http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack/autopilot


[02:50] <UncleJed> In case anyone had read my earlier question, I'm currently reading through this thread to see if any of it helps. The original post about his issues is exactly what i'm looking at now. http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11016
[02:51] <UncleJed> I mean..it's the exact issue I'm facing - hardware and all.
[02:56] <holstein> UncleJed: you shouldnt need to 'change priorities' any more
[02:57] <holstein> UncleJed: what are you trying to do? exactly?
[02:57] <UncleJed> holstein - ok. I'm toying with just the front-end GUI setting first and will see if that works.
[02:57] <holstein> i suggest you do as follows.. unplug the audiobox, and get jack running on the internal audio device
[02:58] <holstein> you can use the live iso to isolate your current install and any "tweaks" you may have done that may be causing you issue
[02:58] <holstein> i suggest you get used to starting jack there on the internal audio device, and loading a few simple apps, and making sounds.. such as, yoshimi, or a simple audio player, such as audacious
[02:59] <UncleJed> I have actually reimaged everything from scratch yesterday. so I'm at base level right now.
[02:59] <holstein> be sure you are making the connections in jack, and routing.. i use qjackctl.. the "connect" tab there is where i make the routing happend
[02:59] <holstein> *after* you are comfortable using jack, with the internal audio device, i suggest doing as follows
[03:00] <holstein> first, consider disabling the internal audio device, so that you only have *one* device. know that, between boots, the labels in jack/alsa can and likely will change
[03:00] <holstein> so, you can have jack runinng perfectly, reboot, and assume the labels stay the same, but actually experience that error you linked, since the device is not present
[03:01] <holstein> if you want to keep both, and go between, you can, just know that that can happen
[03:01] <UncleJed> ok
[03:01] <holstein> i would simply try and see the USB audio device in the terminal under lsusb.. that means the device is present
[03:02] <holstein> i would remove *any* and *all* usb hubs in the chain.. i would make sure i am on a "known good" usb port.. one that a USB stick mounts in and works
[03:02] <holstein> i would then in the terminal use "aplay -l" and "arecord -l".. this will tell me, *if* i see the device there, that alsa is "seeing" it
[03:03] <UncleJed> ok - jack definitely sees it...it's just getting it to ardour that has been the problem. I can hear playback audio just fine through it.
[03:03] <holstein> UncleJed: it wont be
[03:03] <UncleJed> ah...ok
[03:03] <holstein> UncleJed: ardour uses *anything* connected, and configured properly with jack
[03:04] <holstein> UncleJed: you'll notice that i have literally filled the screen with "tips" and suggestions, which should take a lot of time to get to, but, none of them *yet* suggest using or opening ardour
[03:04] <UncleJed> right...lol...gotcha
[03:04] <holstein> anyways..
[03:04] <holstein> i would then use the GUI, qjackctl.. i open the
[03:04] <holstein> "setup" tab...
[03:05] <holstein> im looking under the "interface" drop down.. i will literally try *all* of those options there, if i dont know what is what
[03:05] <holstein> i will note that i cant likely trust any of those labels there.. you may see it read something like "generic USB device" or, who knows
[03:06] <holstein> thats another reason why, i like to remove or disable the internal audio device, so there is just the one options
[03:06] <holstein> option*
[03:06] <holstein> i then, simply try and start jack, with the same relaxed, default settings i had that worked with the internal audio device earlier
[03:07] <holstein> i then dont have to wonder "do i need a special kernel?" or "some settings for priorities need be made?".. i *know* jack worked, and the variable i changed is the audio device
[03:08] <holstein> if jack doesnt start there, i will typically open a terminal, and i will run "gksudo qjackctl".. i then try starting jack..
[03:08] <holstein> i dont want to, intend to, or suggest using jack as root long-term.. but, i can see if jack starts as root, then its likely a simple user permission issue
[03:09] <holstein> if jack starts, then i do as before, and open a simple audio application such as yoshimi, or a simple audio player such as audacious.. i use the same application that i know worked before, that i know how to route and configure
[03:10] <holstein> *then*, i'll move on to ardour.. after know how to start and run jack.. and route..
[03:10] <holstein> i'll open ardour, and import some audio to a track, and get playback working. then, i'll make a new audio track and route into the track from one of my line on the interface..mic or guitar or whatever
[03:11] <holstein> UncleJed: you shouldnt need any steps anymore with ubuntustudio 15.04.. or 14.04, for that matter.. not for nice , or priorities.. or permissions.. etc
[03:12] <UncleJed> holstein - thank you so much for your help! I truly appreciate your time!
[03:12] <holstein> you dont need an RT kernel to use it.. though, you may prefer one.. i suggest using it "as-is" first, and more to an rt kernel as needed.. which is for realtime effects processing, and live software synths
[03:12] <holstein> UncleJed: if you come here, and its completely dead, which happens... try #opensourcemusicians ..also, #ardour is helpful..
[03:13] <UncleJed> I don't think I need RT right now either. I'm all for working with "as is" as much as possible! Great for noobs. :)
[03:13] <holstein> well, you either need lower latency, or not
[03:14] <UncleJed> Ok - thanks again! I will start working on your steps later tonight.
[03:14] <holstein> it wont really relate to skill, so much
[03:14] <holstein> i personally work at quite a higher latency when mixing, since, i dont need to push the machine for lower latency
[03:14] <holstein> lower latency doesnt sound better, or different.. or imply a level of quality
[03:15] <holstein> its just that.. if you need realtime audio effects, as in, playing live with a guitar, and you want to add distortion etc from rakarrack, or whatever.. you'll need/want around 8ms latency, likely
[03:15] <holstein> same with live synths.. playing a midi keyboard as a live instrument
[03:15] <holstein> if you are not doing those things, then, you dont need it
[03:15] <UncleJed> i'm trying it because I was first trying sonar LE on a windows machine and kept getting delays between playback and live recording....was annoying.
[03:16] <holstein> you likely are using the computer to monitor
[03:16] <holstein> dont do that
[03:16] <UncleJed> that was my problem i'm sure
[03:16] <holstein> if you dont need to, just monitor live, and track
[03:16] <holstein> then, when you play back, you are playing back
[03:16] <UncleJed> ok - gotta run for now. thanks again!
[03:17] <holstein> you play live, thats happening live.. my interface has a mix knob that allows me to mix in live sound
[03:17] <holstein> sure.. good luck, UncleJed .. cheers
[06:52] <jarnos> Is it ok to use general kernels with ubuntu studio? What differences might I notice, if I did?
[06:53] <zequence> jarnos: linux-lowlatency is more or less a general kernel
[06:53] <zequence> The difference is in latency
[06:53] <zequence> Only important for live audio processig
[06:53] <zequence> linux-lowlatency might use more battery power
[06:54] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is not suitable for server environments, as it has a larger throughput
[06:54] <zequence> Smaller, I mean
[07:07] <sunstar> good to know
[07:20] <jarnos>  zequence thanks for the info
[09:59] <aloiece>   My brightness adjust keys work on recovery mode, but not in normal boot. I'm using nouveau graphic drivers
[09:59] <aloiece> It would be great if someone could send me in the right direction
[10:00] <aloiece> last time I asked, I was using kernel 3.13, someone told me this should b fixed in newer kernels
[11:09] <aloiece>   My brightness adjust keys work on recovery mode, but not in normal boot. I'm using nouveau graphic drivers
[11:09] <aloiece> It would be great if someone could send me in the right direction
[11:09] <aloiece> last time I asked, I was using kernel 3.13, someone told me this should b fixed in newer kernels
[22:54] <robinflorian> jj
[22:56] <Unit193> gg


[05:57] <enyc> hrrm, thunderbird lagging-behind, or so?
[05:57] <enyc> 102.2.2 not 102.3.x or 102.4.0 ...