[01:41] <bluesabre> jphilips: I honestly haven't had any time to look into it. If we haven't filed a bug, we should.
[01:41] <jphilips> bluesabre: what package should I file it against? did you see what the other devs suggested we do to fix the issue?
[01:42] <JackFrost> I'm rather against that "fix"
[01:42] <bluesabre> Missed all of it
[01:42] <JackFrost> I suppose when irccloud was having issues you didn't see responses?
[01:43] <bluesabre> Just been working all day and night for a few weeks, not spent much time catching up here.
[01:43] <JackFrost> Nah that's fine.  The other flavor made gnome-software a hard dep in their meta.
[01:44] <JackFrost> Since IRCCloud was being flakey, I don't know if you saw: < JackFrost> bluesabre: ayatana-indicator-application is on the ISO.
[01:44] <bluesabre> Making it a hard dep sounds like a bad hack
[01:45] <bluesabre>  ayatana-indicator-application on the iso, that's good, right?
[01:45] <JackFrost> xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/xfce4-panel takes care of that.
[01:48] <bluesabre> Ah, gotcha, so gotta figure our how to kick that :)
[01:49] <JackFrost> Hard dep obviously means you can't remove it without removing xubuntu-desktop, while this is technically fine, it means on upgrades it gets re-installed every time.  That's a rec of xfce4-indicator-plugin.
[07:45] <ochosi> JackFrost, bluesabre: i don't see much reason to keep xfce4-indicator-plugin around tbh. indicator-messages? that must be one of the few remaining "use cases" (i'm not sure this still works with people using webmail much more and apps like telegram, whatsapp web or signal on their laptops/desktops)
[07:45] <JackFrost> Sure, fair enough.  Some of the ayatana-indicator-* stuff is kind of cool, but we don't ship it.
[07:47] <ochosi> oh, rly? what kind of indicators are there?
[07:48] <ochosi> i only remember "the old days" with the session indicator, indicator-power (which was not as featureful as what we have with xfpm), indicator-sound (which we replaced with pa-plugin), indicator-messages
[12:45] <bluesabre> Yeah, indicator-messages is really the last useful one that doesn't have some sort of alternative. But its usefulness is reduced now, I believe Pidgin no longer works with it, so its just Thunderbird.
[12:49] <bluesabre> indicator-cpufreq is handy, though I admittedly don't use it these days
[13:00] <jphilips> agree with ochosi, that indicator isn't that useful and is the first plugin i remove after installation, as i also remove thunderbird
[17:43] <JackFrost> ochosi: There's about 10 in Debian now, actually!  But yeah, it can be removed.
[17:58] <ochosi> JackFrost: is there a list somewhere? or anything particularly good?
[18:01] <JackFrost> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ayatana-webmail_21.1.25+dfsg1-1.html, but does<EMAIL_ADDRESS>count as a perhaps terrible list?  I'd seen ayatana-indicator-notifications before you released a xfce4-notifyd version that had a panel plugin, it wasn't bad.
[18:02] <JackFrost> ochosi: Basically, I don't believe anything that doesn't already have a panel plugin somewhere, at this point.


[00:38] <nrg_> wooo
[00:56] <az7> awwwwww yeah!
[01:11] <nrg_> ohhh man
[01:11] <nrg_> my presentation today went great =D
[01:12] <nrg_> i forgot how badly most students present
[01:12] <nrg_> my team stood out as not sucking as much
[01:12] <nrg_> haha
[01:12] <nrg_> raccoon:
[01:16] <az7> way to steal the not sucking show!
[01:17] <az7> hows the program coming along?
[01:44] <nrg_> pretty fair
[01:45] <nrg_> its capturing data in real time and everything seems to be threading alright
[01:45] <nrg_> theres user interaction while its running to capture events
[01:45] <nrg_> i just wrote most of the report on the project
[01:45] <nrg_> thanks for asking =D
[06:51] <nrg_> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ shoaaaaaaaa


[20:12] <FearTheLord> http://believeintheholybible.blogspot.com/
[20:12] <FloodBot1> FearTheLord: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:13] <cp_> julie:    does the .doc file  show a filesize in the filemanager?
[20:13] <Darkchaos> Hello Guys. Do you know a good way earning money by having a root. I am thinking about some p2p services, maybe some folks who pay a bit money for seeding on bittorrent or something?
[20:13] <julie> it says it's 0 bytes :/
[20:14] <wakeup> told you
[20:14] <bekks> Darkchaos: Thats offtopic in here.
[20:14] <cp_> julie:  well, then it's 0 bytes :(
[20:14] <Darkchaos> You totaly don't want offtopic? As it's a Ubuntu based machine :D
[20:14] <cp_> julie:   I'm thinking you thought you saved it, but you just forgot
[20:15] <julie> is there anyway to recover it or anything? I worked on it probably about a week ago. I'm pretty sure I saved it.
[20:15] <cp_> julie:   was it ... libreoffice writer?
[20:15] <wakeup> julie: see if you saved in with another name, check your trash
[20:15] <julie> OpenOffice
[20:16] <Solarra> alright I'm about to abandon ubuntu may I request assistance?
[20:17] <m0nk3yjoe> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12LTS  and 13latest on Dell Dimension e310 and it installs but then always crashes on first boot with Uncompressin error... system halting.  Can't go to recovery mode either =(
[20:19] <cp_> m0nk3yjoe:  from the splash screen of the bootable usb/cd, press F6 for more boot options, try to turn off a few like 'acpi' or so, and retry
[20:19] <julie> could the problem be with OpenOffice? Because of the filter thing? Is there any way to bypass that?
[20:20] <cp_> julie:  nope, if the file shows 0, is 0 :|
[20:21] <cp_> julie:   any issues libraries Writer would have, would just be a nuance in Writer alone, no any files it saved
[20:22] <julie> is there anyway I could try to restore what I wrote??
[20:22] <James_Epp> Solarra: Whatcha got man?
[20:22] <cp_> julie:    can you launch OpenOffice at all?  not writer or calc, just the openoffice link
[20:22] <Solarra> I finished the b43 wireless install
[20:22] <jemark> Solarra: what's your question?
[20:22] <Solarra> ubuntu 12.04
[20:22] <jemark> Solarra: yes
[20:22] <Solarra> the damn thing keeps dropping the wireless
[20:23] <cp_> Solarra: how did you "finished the b43 wireless install"?
[20:23] <Solarra> i can't update anything because the wireless keeps dropping
[20:23] <jemark> Solarra: how many bars do you have for your wireless?
[20:23] <James_Epp> Solarra: I can sympathise with your frustration. Could you provide some more details as per the hardware?
[20:23] <Solarra> 3-4 bars
[20:23] <julie> yeah. A different document is working fine, no problems or anything. This particular one asks for the filter, I chose the default options, and it comes up blank.
[20:23] <Solarra> it is a Linksys WM54GS V1.1
[20:24] <Solarra> 4318 is the key number
[20:24] <Solarra> from running the command I don't remember
[20:24] <talexb_> I just upgraded to 12.04 and I'm seeing an error when I use dpkg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684944/
[20:24] <jemark> Solarra: did you check the channels and if your neighbours are using the same channel?
[20:24] <cp_> julie:    well, either way , is just a blank file it seems, ok, once in OpenOffice, go to Tools > Options, check the Paths, usually you want to check around for any backups under the "backups" and "/tmp" folders
[20:24] <talexb_> What can I do to resolve that locally?
[20:25] <Solarra> that can't be the issue, because this machine running osx is connected to the same wireless with 0 issues
[20:25] <Solarra> as is the desktop running windows
[20:25] <generalmajor> Norwegian information: cf. § 227 first penalty option, criminal act. Miscarriage of justice: http://www.lovdata.no  <<Straffelov (Straffeloven) (1902 JD)>>
[20:26] <cp_> Solarra:  did you install fwcutter?
[20:26] <Solarra> yes
[20:28] <cp_> Solarra:   maybe try installing the backports for wireless .deb
[20:28] <Solarra> how is that done?
[20:28] <cp_> lemme ... poke a bit
[20:29] <jemark> Solarra: did you read this page? http://is.gd/BOqBLu
[20:29] <cp_> Solarra:   usually it'd show in the -> apt-cache pkgnames | grep -i backports
[20:30] <number-7> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[20:30] <number-7> only took 1:15
[20:30] <number-7> !
[20:30] <number-7> said 3 hours
[20:30] <jemark> number-7: :)
[20:30] <Solarra> sec
[20:30] <generalmajor> Norwegian information: cf. § 227 first penalty option, criminal act. Miscarriage of justice: http://www.lovdata.no  <<Straffelov (Straffeloven) (1902 JD)>>
[20:31] <number-7> and everything works, im happy
[20:31] <number-7> now, how do i upgrade my windows 3.1?
[20:31] <IdleOne> !ot > generalmajor
[20:31] <James_Epp> In compiz I see 'primary' as a key a lot.  :D
[20:32] <number-7> yeah, i likes win3.1
[20:32] <number-7> liked
[20:32] <generalmajor> Norwegian information: cf. § 227 first penalty option, criminal act. Miscarriage of justice: http://www.lovdata.no  <<Straffelov (Straffeloven) (1902 JD)>>
[20:33] <James_Epp> number-7: http://goo.gl/Qups1
[20:33] <epicurus> one
[20:34] <IdleOne> What does Windows have to do with Ubuntu support?
[20:34] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_, I tried to turn off acpi and it just restarts every time
[20:34] <m0nk3yjoe> tried this http://askubuntu.com/questions/160036/how-do-i-disable-acpi-when-booting
[20:34] <IdleOne> Please stick to the topic and if you really feel like talking about other things you are all welcome to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:34] <James_Epp> IdleOne: Wine. :P
[20:35] <riceandbeans> what is ubuntu's default MTA?
[20:36] <riceandbeans> is it exim like debian or something else?
[20:36] <epicurus> postfix i thought
[20:36] <julie> cp_ I'm searching hard. Thanks for your help :)
[20:36] <cp_> julie:   hehe, np
[20:36] <Pici> riceandbeans: postfix is the default MTA, but we also provide and support exim
[20:37] <riceandbeans> Pici: was only curious about default since ubuntu is debian based and debian defaults exim
[20:37] <riceandbeans> Pici: thanks though
[20:38] <cp_> m0nk3yjoe:   have you tried booting with that disk elsewhere? makes me wonder if the burning/copying went ok
[20:39] <Solarra> cp_: Output ~ 02:07.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless Lan Controller (rev 02)
[20:41] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_ this is the 3rd disk on different USB and DVD media
[20:41] <epicurus> one
[20:43] <cp_> m0nk3yjoe:    so.... ahemm, does it boot on other hardware though?
[20:43] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_, Does yes
[20:44] <dominic_> is 13.04 ubuntu version good and stable to download by now
[20:45] <w3bcrawler> if i would like to upgrade from 10.04 to 13.04 can i do so directly?
[20:45] <auronandace> w3bcrawler: no
[20:45] <k1l_> w3bcrawler: no
[20:46] <k1l_> you need to upgrade to 12.04 and then to the steps from 12.04 to 12.10 and then to 13.04
[20:46] <auronandace> dominic_: i've had no issues with 13.04
[20:46] <cp_> Solarra:   ... hmmm, I've used in the paste fwcutter on a b43, and it worked but I run a few commands for installing.... I'm guessing it might be that
[20:46] <dominic_> but what are the avantages for me to upgrade
[20:47] <auronandace> dominic_: more recent app versions
[20:47] <MonkeyDust> w3bcrawler  12.04 if you want long support, 13.04 if you want the latest stuff - decide what you want more
[20:48] <dominic_> what is gonna be the difference with a short support
[20:48] <bekks> dominic_: More recent versions.
[20:48] <tyrog> dominic_: With 13.04 you have a support period of 9 months, so in January 2014 at best you need to upgrade to Ubuntu 13.10
[20:48] <k1l_> !lts | dominic_
[20:48] <bekks> dominic_: More effort for you to update regurlarly.
[20:48] <bekks> -r
[20:49] <m0nk3yjoe> anyone have an experience with uncompressino error - system halted error after Grub loads?
[20:49] <lmat> I just had a crash on ubuntu using compiz. Eventually, it said, "X is using software rendering ... you may wonder why X isn't using hardware acceleration." Amazing! I am wondering exactly that!
[20:49] <lmat> How do I make X use hardware acceleration?
[20:49] <bekks> m0nk3yjoe: Which error exactly?
[20:49] <lmat> I think I'm using pretty popular hardware (Dell Precision M4000 laptop)
[20:49] <dominic_> what are they gonna do after the 9 months of 13.04
[20:50] <bekks> dominic_: dominic_ 6 months after 13.04 there will be 13.10
[20:50] <auronandace> dominic_: after the support period is over then its no longer supported
[20:50] <tyrog> dominic_: The repositories are no longer updated, which means there are no more bugfixes and security updates for 13.04
[20:51] <dominic_> they force you to upgrade your machine
[20:51] <m0nk3yjoe> bekks, uncompression error - system halted error after Grub loads
[20:51] <m0nk3yjoe> that is it
[20:51] <tyrog> dominic_: no, but you don't want to stay on something unsupported, it's better not to
[20:52] <auronandace> dominic_: why do you think they also offer lts releases?
[20:52] <dominic_> it seems that every body have swithed to 13.04
[20:52] <cnf> i haven't
[20:52] <cp_> Solarra:     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:52] <bekks> dominic_: Only those who couldnt wait ;)
[20:52] <k1l_> dominic_: so go for an LTS if you want longer support frames. 12.04 is the last lts
[20:52] <bekks> dominic_: And those who want to update every 6 months :)
[20:52] <tyrog> dominic_: You can upgrade right from your desktop to 13.10 when it's out, although fresh installs are recommended
[20:53] <cnf> i don't much care about LTS on the desktop, but i sure do appreciate it on servers
[20:53] <dominic_> do you lose anyconfiguration when you upgrade
[20:54] <tyrog> dominic_: I'm not very experienced with upgrades, so more informed people here should tell you better :)
[20:54] <aaa> ciao
[20:54] <atarih> help
[20:54] <aaa> !list
[20:54] <atarih> sorry!
[20:54] <k1l_> dominic_: they shouldnt change. but if the programs or services changed in the mean time you will be asked which configfile (new vs old) you want to use
[20:55] <k1l_> !details | atarih
[20:55] <Tex_Nick> i've been playing with x11vnc for the past few days ... a line in the startup messages is "The X server says there are 24 mouse buttons." ... does that mean that X server supports 24 buttons ... i can't find that many buttons on this mouse @^@
[20:56] <{mikey}> DAFUQ??
[20:56] <dominic_> install with a fresh start means with a dvd
[20:56] <k1l_> dominic_: or with a usb-stick
[20:57] <dominic_> how can i do it with a usb stick
[20:57] <tyrog> dominic_: Are you currently on Windows?
[20:57] <dominic_> non 12.04
[20:57] <k1l_> put the .iso on the stick and boot from usb
[20:57] <dominic_> ok
[20:58] <{mikey}> If I run "touch ~/somefile; sudo chown root:root ~/somefile" and then open it with vim and save with ":w!" it is changes back to my ownership!!!!
[20:58] <tyrog> dominic_: If you are on 12.04, use the Startup Disk Creator tool available from the dash to copy the iso to the usb stick
[20:58] <woo> Hey, how do I get rid of a zombie process?
[20:58] <cp_> dominic_:    put the .iso on the usb stick, no copy it over, or its contents, put it as in "raw write/dump" to it
[20:59] <cp_> woo:   killall PROCESSHERE
[21:00] <dominic_> tyrog thanks
[21:00] <woo> cp_: cant find the process.  I'll try awk. brb
[21:00] <dominic_> i hope that im not gonna loose everything
[21:00] <woo> cp_: used top
[21:01] <tyrog> dominic_: Most people on the desktop probably prefer the current releases, since they have the latest features for the desktop, but there are many users that also prefer LTS's for their long-term support
[21:01] <k1l_> dominic_: to have backups will be handy anyway :)
[21:01] <th0r> dominic_: why are you upgrading? what do you expect to get out of 13.04 that you don't already have?
[21:01] <tyrog> dominic_: Copying a Ubuntu image to the USB stick ERASES all of its content, so be careful
[21:02] <wilee-nilee> dominic_, If you are not sure you can do this safely you should be backed up, good idea always anyway.
[21:02] <bekks> dominic_
[21:02] <bekks> dominic_: sorry :)
[21:02] <m0nk3yjoe> How do I disable apci in grub?
[21:03] <cp_> woo:    install "qps" maybe, is like a GUI "top", but more scrollable :), anyhow, I use qps
[21:03] <{mikey}> Or to put it another way, my Lubuntu system appears to have the motherload of security exploits running on it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685047/
[21:03] <cp_> m0nk3yjoe:    you add to the boot line, noacpi
[21:03] <woo> cp_: found the pid Z 8259. I sudo killed -15 and such.  it wont die
[21:04] <wilee-nilee> m0nk3yjoe, http://askubuntu.com/questions/160036/how-do-i-disable-acpi-when-booting
[21:04] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_, it just reboots and doesnt do it
[21:04] <trism> {mikey}: it is not an exploit, you have write permission to ~, so you can delete any file there and create a new one with the same name, no matter who owns it
[21:05] <bekks> {mikey}: Why do you think that is has something to do with exploits?
[21:05] <dominic_> how do i back up with ubuntu
[21:05] <{mikey}> Ok, I never knew that was possible
[21:05] <tyrog> dominic_: But you should consider staying with the LTS really
[21:05] <m0nk3yjoe> wilee-nilee, I have quite splash $vt_handoff do I remvoe those?
[21:05] <tyrog> dominic_: do you use Unity?
[21:05] <cp_> woo:   try using "qps", is a few more detailed info on processes
[21:05] <m0nk3yjoe> No matter how I change the grub options it just restarts and does't boot
[21:06] <wilee-nilee> m0nk3yjoe, I would not know you asked for a specific.
[21:06] <{mikey}> I'd always assumed that if I changed a file to root premissions I couldn't mess with it
[21:06] <{mikey}> Apparently it perfectly editable
[21:06] <cp_> m0nk3yjoe:    you're trying to install it, as opposed to you already installed it and it's rebooting?
[21:07] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_,  already installed
[21:08] <cp_> hmm
[21:08] <talexb_> What's up with gcc? I'm getting errors when ./configure runs gcc -V and bombs.
[21:08] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_,  odd huh?
[21:08] <dominic_> yes i use it but why
[21:08] <stevelitt> What's the latest on the Cups problem with invalid access on HP 4050's? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-filters/+bug/998087
[21:08] <m0nk3yjoe> Did the same with kubuntu and Xubuntu
[21:08] <stevelitt> A couple nights ago an update started doing this to my Xubuntu 12.10 setup. I "fixed" it with lpadmin -p <printer> -o pdftops-renderer-default=pdftops, but still have problem
[21:08] <m0nk3yjoe> On 12.10.2 and 13.04
[21:09] <m0nk3yjoe> This is an old dell dimension 310
[21:09] <bekks> m0nk3yjoe: There is no 12.10.2
[21:09] <bekks> m0nk3yjoe: Do you mean 12.04.2?
[21:09] <m0nk3yjoe> bekks, typo
[21:09] <stevelitt> ubottu, yeah, that one. Any fix on that without going to 13.04?
[21:10] <stevelitt> A couple nights ago an update started doing this to my Xubuntu 12.10 setup. I "fixed" it with lpadmin -p <printer> -o pdftops-renderer-default=pdftops, but still have problems with excessively light print and "must have Postscript 3" errors when trying to print certain postscript from evince.
[21:10] <tyrog> dominic_: There aren't many new features I would use on 13.04, compared to 12.04 lts . Most notable improvements are the webapps and unity previews, and I don't use that so for me it's not much worth upgrading :)
[21:10] <dominic_> why do you says that bekks
[21:10] <stevelitt> Google seems to imply this got fixed a year ago, but I just got a bad update a few days ago.
[21:11] <dominic_> 13.04 is supposed to be faster
[21:11] <stevelitt> OK, ubotto, is there a fix for Launchpad bug 998087 in cups-filters
[21:11] <James_Epp> dominic_: Did you post on /g/ ?
[21:11] <tyrog> dominic_: Indeed it is.
[21:13] <cp_> m0nk3yjoe:  well, yes and no... depends.... so you get to grub .... , get to the boot entry and press "e" to edit line, add to the end -> acpi=off noapic, then ctrl-x to boot from that
[21:14] <m0nk3yjoe> cp_,  still gives same error == uncompression error system halted
[21:16] <dominic_> i hate seeing that shotwell is better on 13.04 and we dont get it automatic with 12.04
[21:19] <tyrog> dominic_: You can use a PPA to update shotwell
[21:19] <tyrog> Its not that hard, and you should learn to use PPAs anyway
[21:20] <dominic_> how do i do that
[21:20] <cp_> ...
[21:20] <cp_> dominic_:    ever used Gwenview? is almost like Picasa, I like it, then again, you can always just get Picasa and nevermind shotwell
[21:22] <jamshyd> It seems that most apps in Ubuntu create files with permissions that differ from whatever umask one sets in one's .bashrc. How does one modify the default umask in Ubuntu?
[21:22] <tyrog> dominic_: First think for a while if you need the new shotwell at all
[21:22] <jamshyd> (by Ubuntu, I mean 13.04)
[21:22] <tyrog> Search for its new features, and eventually regressions too !
[21:24] <gypsyjoker> does nautilus in 12.10 burn bootable discs?
[21:25] <gypsyjoker> anyone here?
[21:26]  * gypsyjoker twiddles his thumbs waiting on a simple answer as everyone joins and quits
[21:27] <compdoc> who wants to know?
[21:28] <James_Epp> gypsyjoker: I use 12.04 and it works for me. Not sure about 12.10, but I would assume so.
[21:28] <gypsyjoker> i'm tryin to burn a different distro with a computer i was given that has 12.10 on it. brasero keeps tellin me that the drive is mounted and it won't work. does nautilus burn bootable isos? do i use burn as file or burn contents?
[21:29] <gypsyjoker> thanks James_Epp
[21:29] <James_Epp> gypsyjoker: But I would suggest you download K3B and try using it instead. Much better program in my opinion.
[21:29] <gypsyjoker> i don't want to use ubuntu that long. i'm trying to burn a different distro now
[21:29] <James_Epp> gypsyjoker: Feel free to experiment, man! here is the link to that program: http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/k3b
[21:30] <gypsyjoker> i'll try it
[21:30] <James_Epp> You should just be able to right click on your .iso and open with K3B
[21:31] <dominic_> new shotwell can be sync with facebook my wife needs it
[21:34] <abdullahdean> whats your favorite channel besides ubuntu?
[21:34] <cp_> dominic_:     Gwenview has plugins, yes lo and behold, it has one for "export to facebook", among many :P
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot | abdullahdean, this isn't the place for that
[21:36] <dominic_> cp_ i will try it
[21:37] <dominic_> i have shotwell on my tablet as well
[21:41] <abdullahdean> how can I get tor browser to work in Linux Mint 14?
[21:41] <k1l_> abdullahdean: mint is not supported here. please see their support
[21:41] <bazhang> ask in mintsupport abdullahdean
[21:43] <Tex_Nick> abdullahdean:  most of the mint help channels can be found on the  irc.spotchat.org server\
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> !mint | abdullahdean
[21:45] <gypsyjoker> ok, so that didn't work
[21:46] <gypsyjoker> now, since i'm out of discs, how do i move the launcher, and get back the old menu style?
[21:46] <cp_> gypsyjoker:   are you trying to burn an .iso to a usb stick?
[21:46] <gypsyjoker> cp_, nope. i was trying to burn it to the only DVD i had
[21:47] <cp_> gypsyjoker:     ok... you can just use "dd" from the shell for either anyhow
[21:47] <gypsyjoker> but since that didn't work, how do i move the launcher from the left side of the screen? it's in the way there, and I'd also like to get back the old menus instead of that dash
[21:47] <cp_> gypsyjoker:  assuming you have a dvd-rw drive that is
[21:47] <vitimiti> nighty night
[21:49] <gypsyjoker> oh well, since i can't burn disks right now, lemme go see if i can at least move the launcher
[21:51] <bfig> hello, i'm trying to set up l2tp. I downloaded l2tp-ipsec-vpn but haven't been able to configure everything right
[21:51] <Tex_Nick> gypsyjoker:  for future reference ... you might consider buying RW DVD's ;-)
[21:51] <bfig> first of all, is there a better way to do this than with l2tp-ipsec-vpn?
[21:52] <gypsyjoker> Tex_Nick, i was given the computer and the DVD
[21:52] <gypsyjoker> now, i know i'm being lazy, but how do i move the launcher?
[21:53] <k1l_> gypsyjoker: you cant move the launcher in unity
[21:53] <gypsyjoker> k1l_, for real? holy crap, why not?
[21:53] <woo> now there are 2 zombies!
[21:54] <woo> why are zombies after my computer?
[21:54] <Guest65378> is this a help channel?
[21:54] <k1l_> !details | Guest65378
[21:54] <Kitzune> Yes, it's a help channel.
[21:54] <bean__> woo: those are usually processes still open, but the parent process hasn't died yet
[21:54] <|s-a|> !topic | Guest65378
[21:54] <bean__> or hasn't been cleaned up
[21:54] <Tex_Nick> gypsyjoker:  ah ok ... that's as inexpensive as you can get then ... something to consider though is ... optical media is a dying technology ... USB sticks are the way to go ... 8 Gig sticks are really cheap now ;-)
[21:55] <Guest65378> i cant get my system tray loaded when i boot? any sugestions?
[21:55] <woo> bean__: ok im just gonna close everthing
[21:55] <woo> brb
[21:55] <gypsyjoker> Tex_Nick, yep, cheap enough. now if only i could actually customize the UI, i might like it a little better
[21:55] <cp_> woo:   checked with 'qps'?
[21:55] <|s-a|> Guest65378 , what do you mean by system tray ?
[21:56] <woo> that worked
[21:56] <woo> ty bean__
[21:56] <cp_> |s-a|:    I guess he means the "taksbar"
[21:57] <|s-a|> Guest65378 , what Desktop environment  are using ?
[21:57] <Guest65378> my computer says in an error message after boot "no system tray found on this computer" and on top it says hpslip
[21:58] <Solarra> well i have run out of troubleshooting time today folks try number 2 tonight
[21:59] <|s-a|> Guest65378 , sh -c "sleep 15; exec hp-systray"
[21:59] <orzel> hello. I have quite a lot of problems/crashes using libreoffice 4 on (k)ubuntu raring. I'd like to switch back to libreoffice 3.x. Is it possible ?
[21:59] <orzel> googling, i find lot of speech about 'ppa' but i dont really get it
[22:02] <cp_> orzel:    not sure, kubuntu 13.04 I'd think comes with 4.0, 12.04 comes with 3.0, out of the box, but if 13.04 has 4.0 and not 3, I'd think you'd not find it in the PPA, ppa= repositories
[22:02] <James_Epp> I am posting this in both the ubuntu and lubuntu channels:
[22:02] <James_Epp> I did a installation of both operating systems over a PxE server (desktop i386) to the same machine and in both instances I have a very strange result. After booting right after finishing the install, I have no network connectivity! Not even drivers or anything. I have no clue why this is happening. Anyone know a possible cause?
[22:03] <orzel> cp_: i'm using 13.04, and "apt-cache policy  libreoffice" only speaks about version 4
[22:03] <cp_> James_Epp:  ubuntu and lubuntu would be the same exact distribution, just a different desktop/window manager, so if one has issues, the other one would too
[22:04] <cp_> orzel:    I can see that, I have 12.04, and has 3.0
[22:04] <James_Epp> cp_: True, it just strikes me as odd.
[22:04] <James_Epp> cp_: Do you know why this is happening, however?
[22:06] <cp_> James_Epp:    well, -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43_-_No_Internet_access   <--- is what I did with my b43 broadcom card, and it worked fine after a reboot, even with a pcmcia or a internal
[22:06] <James_Epp> cp_: I have performed reboots, and nothing changes.
[22:06] <James_Epp> ifconfig eth0 down/up/arp does nothing as well
[22:08] <tyrog> orzel: Libroeffice crashes more than I would desire :P
[22:13] <ryan-c> can someone help me figure out why my nfs-kernel-server doesn't autostart on boot?
[22:13] <ryan-c> I'm using 112.04 LTS
[22:14] <|s-a|> !SERVICE
[22:14] <|s-a|> !rc
[22:15] <ryan-c> |s-a|: update-rc.d nfs-kernel-server enable didn't work, already tried that.
[22:15] <|s-a|> ryan-c , do you have the server installed ?
[22:16] <ryan-c> yes
[22:16] <ryan-c> `service nfs-kernel-server start` works
[22:16] <|s-a|> ryan-c if you start it manually does it work ?
[22:16] <|s-a|> ok i see
[22:17] <ryan-c> I didn't see anything apparent in the logs, and I've disabled everything in /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} for now.
[22:17] <|s-a|> what do : dmesg | grep nfs-server    , return ?
[22:17] <orzel> tyrog: yes. i'm hit by https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63517
[22:17] <ryan-c> |s-a|: nothing
[22:17] <orzel> i'm not the only one, but there seems to be really few people annoyed by this. And nobody will care :/
[22:17] <tyrog> orzel: For 13.04 you need to download LO3.6 and install it manually
[22:18] <orzel> tyrog:  that's what i wanna do, but i dont know how to do it / where to look. any hint / link ?
[22:18] <ryan-c> I've been trying to find something on google, but as far as I can tell there is no error message
[22:19] <|s-a|> ryan-c , it is starting
[22:19] <tyrog> orzel: Search for some tutorial for install Libreoffice 4 in Ubuntu 12.10. First tutorials that appeared talked about how to download it from the website and install manually. A similar procedure should apply to your scenario
[22:19] <ryan-c> |s-a|: It starts, but only if I start it manually.
[22:27] <wallzero> My machine has stopped logging. I reinstalled syslogd but it still isn't working.
[22:29] <th0r> wallzero: is this system online, a server or always on home system?
[22:29] <pnode> I am attempting to empty the rubbish bin but it is stuck on "Preparing"
[22:30] <pnode> how long does file management usually take normally ?
[22:30] <wallzero> th0r: Sorry, I think I just fixed it. Somehow busybox-syslogd had replaced rsyslog
[22:30] <pnode> is ubuntu slow usually when working with ntfs,fat partitions ?
[22:31] <pnode> also the free space numerics don't appear to update
[22:31] <th0r> wallzero: no problem. I was going to point out that logging is terminated when there is clandestine access to a server
[22:33] <wallzero> th0r: Haha, I am crossing my fingers that is not the case. I am in the middle of some upgrades and assume I was at fault
[22:33] <th0r> wallzero: you found a reasonable alternative, so I wouldn't worry too much. You can always take a few to run chkrootkit if you get nervous <smile>
[22:44] <steliosre> h
[22:45] <DrFoo> ssh-copy-id is trying to use my newly created id to authenticate into my server to copy my new key. How can I force a password login for ssh-copy-id
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> DrFoo:  Odd.. normally it asks for the password the first time here.
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> unless its using an old id you had copied over
[22:46] <ryan-c> |s-a|: nfs-kernel-server was failing to start due to a cryptdisk volume not working
[22:46] <|s-a|> ryan-c , nice :)
[22:46] <DrFoo> this is my first key
[22:47] <MonkeyDust> DrFoo  you mean a rsa-key? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys#Generating_RSA_Keys
[22:47] <ryan-c> |s-a|: I forgot to set noauto in /etc/crypttab - thought it would be enough to put noauto in /etc/fstab
[22:47] <DrFoo> yes.
[22:47] <ryan-c> working now
[22:48] <DrFoo> I thought it would prompt for the password so I could move the key over, but the client is trying to authenticate with the key...
[22:48] <DrFoo> and it's not on the server yet.
[22:48] <ryan-c> DrFoo: give it -vvv
[22:48] <|s-a|> ryan-c , good
[22:48] <|s-a|> ryan-c , btw where did you find the error ?
[22:49] <ryan-c> |s-a|: There was no error anywhere. I watched the console and I saw it prompting for a password for that volume and made a guess.
[22:49] <|s-a|> ok
[22:49] <DrFoo> could not resolve uname mask 077
[22:49] <ryan-c> DrFoo: ssh-copy-id -o PubkeyAuthentication=no host
[22:50] <ryan-c> that *might* work
[22:50] <DrFoo> i tried, but i'll try again....
[22:50] <ryan-c> DrFoo: Can you ssh in with a password at all?
[22:50] <DrFoo> yes
[22:51] <DrFoo> hmm.... I wonder if I can disable key login in the config, just until I can copy it to the server
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> I thought it would use the key if it worked.. and then ask the password if it dident
[22:52] <ryan-c> DrFoo: Yeah, you could do that in your ~/.ssh/config
[22:52] <Dr_Willis> unless the server is set to not allow password
[22:52] <urgodfather> hello... im having trouble connecting to secured networks. i can connect to unsecured with ease, however... with secured WEP WPA and WPA2 i cannot connect
[22:52] <urgodfather> Dr_Willis: if you could suggest a fix, you would be my hero
[22:53] <DrFoo> what's the difference between rhostsrsaauthentication and rsaauthentication?
[22:53] <Gabboz> Hi!  12.04 server. I have a 6Tb /home volume which df -h reports has 115Gb free. If I du -hs the directories in /home, it only adds up to around 4Tb.  Any ideas how I can track down the discrepancy?  Thanks.
[22:54] <ryan-c> DrFoo: You should have both of those disabled.
[22:55] <ryan-c> DrFoo: They're for SSHv1 which is insecure. PubkeyAuthentication is what SSHv2 uses.
[22:55] <ryan-c> Gabboz: You could have something mounted on top of a directory with files in it.
[22:56] <Dr_Willis> urgodfather:  i seem to recall this being a common bug ages ago.. ive never had to fight with it
[22:57] <Gabboz> ryan-c, so I would need the mounts command to reference that right?
[22:57] <ryan-c> 'mount' should show you
[22:57] <Gabboz> sry i meant that :)
[22:57] <urgodfather> Dr_Willis: i have been banging my head on my workbench trying to get this intel 6235 to work in ubuntu. i just figured out that its not the wireless thats the issue, instead its secured networks
[22:58] <DrFoo> wow. this blows... no dice
[22:58] <Gabboz> ryan-c, nothing looks out of place(to me anyway) .. can you either provide a URL or a light explanation on what you originally thought it might be?
[23:00] <bfig> hello, i'm trying to set up l2tp. I downloaded l2tp-ipsec-vpn but haven't been able to configure everything right
[23:00] <bfig> first of all, is there a better way to do this than with l2tp-ipsec-vpn?
[23:02] <BigFist> hi, i believe I'm having something what might be called a bug. Every second time i boot my computer, Ubuntu stops before login screen. There is a blinking cursor in the upper right corner, and there is a mouse pointer, but nothing more. Black screen. I can move mouse pointer all the time. But as long as i waited, nothing more happens. It happens in about 3/5 cases of booting.
[23:03] <|s-a|> BigFist , what about pastebining /var/log/X.* ?
[23:05] <BigFist> |s-a|: sure, what is the easiest way to pasteit, i remember there was some console application
[23:05] <|s-a|> pastebin :D
[23:05] <|s-a|> pastebinit
[23:06] <backbox> help plz, huwaei e173 cannot connect on mint 14
[23:07] <IdleOne> !mint
[23:07] <Gamore> hi all I just bought a Ubuntu Keyboard computer and while it was updating I kicked the power cord and turned it off... now when I turn it on I see the screen that I can get into recover mode from but then it just goes to a black screen is there anyway of fixing this?
[23:08] <Gamore> it does not have a CD drive and did not come with a disk but I can burn a disk and plug in a CD/DVD drive in with USB
[23:08] <BigFist> |s-a|: XOrg.0.log - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685341/
[23:09] <BigFist> |s-a|: XOrg.0.log.old - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685343/
[23:09] <Minty_> any information on install NVDIA driver for 650m on 13.04?
[23:10] <|s-a|> BigFist , the new one please :D
[23:11] <astropriate> any CSU students here?
[23:12] <DrFoo> ryan-c: i just modified the script... very easy and added the -o PubkeyAuthentication=no to the ssh line... worked like a charm
[23:13] <Minty_> what driver is save for NVIDIA 650M?
[23:13] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> does ecryptfs have to use the users password or can ecryptfs be set with a different password
[23:14] <BigFist> |s-a|: those are both newest, one from today, other from yesterday
[23:15] <MiniD> What is does "Use burnproof" in Ubuntu's default write to disc properties dialog do exactly. Should I enable it when burning a liveCD iso to a DVD?
[23:15] <|s-a|> ok
[23:16] <BigFist> |s-a|: i don't have more really, 1.log, 1.log.old (last mod - 16th of may), and 2.log (last mod - 24th of march)
[23:17] <BigFist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685357/ - 1.log
[23:17] <Gamore> I bought an Ubuntu Keyboard computer and as it was updating I kicked the power cord and turned it off and now when I turn it on I get the screen where I can enter rocover mode but then it goes to a black screen is this able to be fixed?
[23:17] <|s-a|> BigFist, yes i got it
[23:18] <BigFist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685367/ - 1.log.old, I'll skip this from march
[23:18] <BigFist> i just thought you might want to look there to, its just few days ago, and this problem started to occur somewhere then
[23:19] <steliosre> #kali-linux
[23:19] <steliosre> how can i get there?
[23:19] <bfig> mmm ipsec verify hangs :/ any ideas?
[23:20] <Minty_> anyone
[23:20] <Gabboz> Minty_, the ones offered by additional drivers should suffice
[23:21] <Minty_> Gabboz,  nothing shows up there
[23:21] <Minty_> i have an Gforce GT 650m
[23:21] <Loshki> MiniD: see e.g. http://www.iomega.com/support/documents/10576.html for a definition. Frankly, these days, if your pc is so slow as to need burnproof, then I wouldn't trust the burns it produces....
[23:22] <Gabboz> Minty_, might wanna read this.  http://eternalvoid.net/tutorials/linux-optimus-gt650m/
[23:22] <Minty_> ty
[23:23] <Minty_> aww yes bumblebee, i tried it, all try again
[23:23] <MiniD> Loshki: Thanks
[23:23] <|s-a|> BigFist , i can't find something that will delay xorg
[23:24] <|s-a|> maybe it is just a service causing this
[23:24] <BigFist> |s-a| what can i do next time this happens, can I do something from console?
[23:25] <|s-a|> BigFist , you can disable gdm autostart
[23:25] <|s-a|> BigFist , and then you can start it manually with some verbosity
[23:26] <|s-a|> if it works ok , it means that it is something else which will lead you too looking to various log files , maybe dmesg and messages BigFist
[23:27] <MiniD> Why is the Additional Drivers thing (I believe it is called Jockey) not included with Ubuntu 12.10, or am I missing something?
[23:28] <BluesKaj> MiniD:  it is included by default in 12.10
[23:28] <sere> jockey-gtk
[23:28] <BigFist> |s-a|: gdm or lightgm ?
[23:29] <|s-a|> BigFist , whatever you are using as login manager
[23:29] <BigFist> honestly I'm not sure, and I'm trying to find out, a second ago i had no idea what gdm is :P
[23:30] <BigFist> now i see, that in recent ubuntus gdm was replaced by lightdm, thats why I'm asking
[23:30] <BigFist> I have ubuntu 13.04
[23:31] <BigFist> this looks nice and easy (chosen answer): http://askubuntu.com/questions/151840/how-to-disable-gdm-from-being-automatically-started but it says about lightdm...
[23:31] <|s-a|> BigFist , cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[23:32] <BigFist> thx
[23:32] <BigFist> lightdm :)
[23:32] <|s-a|> just replace gdm with lightgdm when using update.rc (arrg am not familiar with ubuntu services )
[23:33] <Minty_> do i need primus?
[23:33] <BigFist> |s-a|: thank you for your time, and suggestion, I will switch my dm :P to manual start now and will see
[23:33] <MoPac> Howdy - has anybody else been seeing a regression in Raring of late where the power menu options popups fail?  E.g., when I click "shutdown", the new restart or shutdown choice popups appears for an instant, and then the machine just restarts without me having a choice
[23:34] <xilo> having a problem chsh on 13.04. i execute chsh -s /bin/zsh, doesn't give an error. but it's not changing my shell. any idea?
[23:35] <|s-a|> BigFist , also you can change your dm or get rid of it if it is causing those flashy problems :p
[23:35] <nerio> new job
[23:35] <nerio> horrible horrible month
[23:35] <nerio> simply terrible
[23:35] <|s-a|> xilo,doesn't : zsh simply issues zshell ?
[23:37] <xilo> nvm i had to logout of gnome session
[23:47] <cuddylier> How do I check the owner of a directory?
[23:47] <th0r> cuddylier: ls -l
[23:49] <cuddylier> th0r Thanks, If I change a directory from being root to a non privileged user such as 'cuddylier', would I need to give them permissions to execute items inside that directory, read and write?
[23:49] <|s-a|> for root no , for others yes
[23:49] <th0r> cuddylier: probably, and I would advise against playing with directories that are owned by root...they are that way for a reason
[23:56] <cuddylier> th0r If I made a new user and had files run under that, would I need to set a directories' owner to that user for it to be able to run files within it?
[23:57] <cuddylier> th0r Also, the directory was owned by root because I made it with root
[23:57] <sere> cuddylier: what are u trying to do ?
[23:57] <th0r> cuddylier: not sure what you mean or what you are trying to accomplish
[23:58] <cuddylier> I have a program which is currently running minecraft servers as root. Obviously this means users can run java executables which can go outside their server directory. The program has a mode where it can put each server as a seperate user so obviously it can't access outside of its directory. I need to run the program as a non privileged user to begin with and then users are created as servers are created to own directories.


[00:00] <apachelogger> very much so
[00:00] <apachelogger> work - watchin ER - getting drunk - work
[00:00] <neversfelde> any 	Deutsch
[00:00] <neversfelde> 	volunteer
[00:00] <neversfelde> arg
[00:00] <neversfelde> any volunteers?
[00:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 349847 => request information if gnome desktop => if so, it's a pulse related issue (no clue how to make phonon aware of this and using pulse though)
[00:02] <apachelogger> I'd move it to phonon though, since really phonon should be able to auto-detect that kind of stuff and take appropriate actions
[00:02] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: what about you? It is no difficult, we need a ninja who can talk about Jaunty and the difference to Intrepid?
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> connect(m_brownies, SIGNAL(available()), this, SLOT(meetMyMouth()));
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> brb
[00:03] <neversfelde> and I think we can translate it :D
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: sure, I could do that
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> mm, brownies
[00:04] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: ok, than I will write the questions and send em to you, thanks
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> I think this will be the first interview of any sort I've done
[00:05] <neversfelde> :) I hope you are able to understand what I am doing :D
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would say that the user in that amarok bug doesn't have pulseaudio, or at least that pulseaudio isn't involved
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> usually it falls back to pulseaudio if the soundcard fails and pulseaudio is installed
[00:07] <apachelogger> well, then why does sound not work? :P
[00:07] <neversfelde> Users will love it, cause there is an iincredible amount of non english speakers here in germany. And others will love a translated interview
[00:08] <neversfelde> -i
[00:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: phonon issue anyway
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[00:10] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I am going to write these questions in the next days and in case they are not as good as they should be, it would be great if you could correct them	grammatikalisch
[00:10] <neversfelde> 	grammatically
[00:10] <neversfelde> arg
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> ok
[00:10] <neversfelde> ypu know what I mean :D
[00:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 348860 should have been converted into a question really
[00:10] <apachelogger> and there goes kmail
[00:10] <apachelogger> \o/
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:11] <apachelogger> crashy crashy crash ... next time I meet krake I need to beat him into converting kmail to akonadi :P
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> but Launchpad ships a broken product, I can't turn it into a question without reopening it :(
[00:12] <apachelogger> uhhh
[00:12] <apachelogger> ninja pictures
[00:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[00:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, technically the question is still unsanswered
[00:13] <apachelogger> but the bug will be closed as soon as there is a question, so it doesn't matter
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> but I'm lazy :P
[00:13]  * JontheEchidna gets off ass and converts bug
[00:15] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna:  Got a good translator for my questions and I will create them tommorro, so no problem. I am looking forward and will send them to you via mail
[00:16] <neversfelde> Thank you in advance
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[00:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 316889 => please mark that 1.4 is officially unmaintained and thus archive policy prevents us from adding it, also adding it with full feature set is merly impossible due to missing parts of the KDE 3 stack and more recent, thus unsupported, media transfer libraries
[00:18]  * JontheEchidna would rather respond "nobody cares!"
[00:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: be nice!
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[00:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, the last comment is complete nonesense
[00:18] <apachelogger> 2/3 missing features were implemented in 2.0.1
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah, he should report bugs if he sees them, not complain for old software
[00:19] <apachelogger> being the first 2 really
[00:19] <apachelogger> and I have no clue what the third one means anyway :P
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[00:21]  * apachelogger thinks that "first letter" sorting is pretty much the same as "name sorting", just that first letter sorting is a very narrow minded description for name sorting as you need a recursive sort everytime :P
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> So what's that bit about media transfer libraries?
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> I know stuff like the trash kio slave won't work
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, lastfm
[00:23] <apachelogger> nah
[00:23] <apachelogger> well, as well
[00:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if not already the case libmtp/libgpod/... will become unusable due to API changes
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah
[00:24] <apachelogger> I am quite sure libmtp support at least needs a patch for the version that is in jaunty
[00:25] <apachelogger> also at some point xine API will change as well, rendering the app completely useless ... that might not be for 2 or 3 ubuntu releases, but still it would be a supporting reason not to add it to the archives
[00:25] <apachelogger> anyway, all that roots in the no-unmaintained software policy
[00:25] <apachelogger> only makes problems
[00:49] <ScottK> Tell them if they want old software they should use Debian stable.
[00:52] <ScottK> nixternal: You could port klamav to KDE4 while you're trying to get unblocked.
[02:21] <vorian> ohmy
[02:21] <ScottK> ohyou?
[02:22] <heHATEme> dude
[02:22] <heHATEme> this server is gonna kill me
[02:22] <heHATEme> nixternal: check out my picture :P
[02:22]  * heHATEme upgrades kernel
[05:02] <nixternal> ScottK: klamav will not be a fun port to kde4
[05:03] <nixternal> dcop => dbus != fun
[05:18] <nixternal> vorian: I just peed my pants, great pic!
[07:32] <rgreening> why in gods name does gtk-qt-engine want to install half of Gnome!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:33] <dtchen> it's an eastern just for you
[07:33] <dtchen> err, easter egg
[07:33] <rgreening> its tres dumb
[07:39] <jussi01> rgreening: I suppose something in the recommends depends on gnome... kinda like firefox...
[07:39]  * jussi01 gets very annoyed at the install recommends  by default thing...
[07:39] <rgreening> its a kde package for kde theming. i stand by my prev comment
[07:40] <rgreening> dumb is dumb
[07:40] <jussi01> rgreening: ++
[09:44] <Mamarok> good morning :)
[09:46] <Mamarok> I wonder, are these gazillion console-kit-daemon PIDs running by default Kubuntu specific or is it a KDE bug?
[10:00] <Quintasan> Mamarok: hi
[10:00] <Mamarok> hi Quintasan :)
[10:04] <jpds> bug #148454
[10:08] <Quintasan> ohshi- I didn't know LaTeX will tak so much disk space :<
[10:09] <Mamarok> thx jpds
[10:09] <Mamarok> sorry to be so lazy not to look for it myself :)
[10:10]  * jussi01 waves to Mamarok from zurich
[10:10] <Mamarok> hi jussi01 !
[10:10]  * Mamarok *waves*
[10:10] <Mamarok> jussi01: how is Baselworld?
[10:10] <jussi01> :)
[10:11] <jussi01> Mamarok: hrm... how to describe it - its been good, but even when you work in the industry, I still think its rather obscene...
[10:13] <Mamarok> oh yes, it is
[10:14] <Mamarok> also, one has to be aware that even the most bling Piaget will find somebody to buy it
[10:14] <Mamarok> and *that* is obscene
[10:15]  * jussi01 looked at ¤500k watches and ¤300k phones....
[10:15]  * Mamarok thinks spending millions on *one* wristwatch is absurd
[10:15] <Mamarok> well, then you should have a look at a limited Piaget jewellery edition...
[10:16] <Mamarok> but 300k phones is ... *missingwords*
[10:17] <Mamarok> even on a mechanical great complications watch it is too much
[10:17] <jussi01> Mamarok: thats the cheap ones...
[10:17] <Mamarok> even if one watchmaker works two years on one
[10:17] <Mamarok> but on phones it *is* obscene
[10:18] <Mamarok> I mean you can get killed for just because it is expensive
[10:18]  * jussi01 realises we are way offtopic and should probably go elsewhere...
[10:19] <Mamarok> :)
[10:22]  * Mamarok lives 142 km walking distance from Zürich
[10:22] <Mamarok> or so
[10:22]  * jussi01 prods Mamarok into #kubuntu-offtopic ...
[10:28] <kurrele> hola
[10:31] <Quintasan> I think *.desktop for KPackageMenu should have kdesudo kpackagekit
[10:31] <Quintasan> s/KPackageMenu/KPackageKit
[10:33] <jussi01> Quintasan: why so?
[10:33] <jussi01> doesnt it grap privelidges when it needs them=?
[10:34] <jussi01> grab*
[10:36]  * Mamarok thinks usability of kpackagekit is very bad
[10:36] <jussi01> Mamarok: ++
[10:36] <Mamarok> one doesn't see well what is selected and what not on LCDs
[10:37] <Mamarok> also the icons are far from obvious
[10:37] <Mamarok> filtering is better, but still
[10:37]  * Mamarok uses Synaptic
[10:37] <Quintasan> jussi01: It doesn't
[10:37] <Mamarok> best apt frontend I know
[10:38] <Quintasan> jussi01: I tried to update package list and it told me I don't have required privledges.
[10:38] <Mamarok> Quintasan: it works on and off, not always asking for password
[10:38] <Quintasan> Also the default permissions to usb devices in udev rules should be 0666 to allow users to use scanners.
[10:39] <Mamarok> and the option to make it remember the password for more than the session should go, far to dangerous for average users
[10:39] <Quintasan> Mamarok: It needs fixing anyways
[10:40] <Mamarok> I know, but even if Adept wasn't good, it's still better than Kpackagekit from the usability POV
[10:40]  * Quintasan is off to church
[10:40] <Quintasan> It's still in development, right?
[10:41] <Mamarok> yes, and it should not go into Jaunty at this stage IMHO
[10:42]  * Mamarok still can't configure her printer btw
[10:43] <Mamarok> works on Intrepid, old HP LaserJet 5L
[10:48] <a|wen> Riddell: when you get to approve messages for the kubuntu-devel list, just throw mine away, it shouldn't have hit the list
[12:13] <kurrele>   Konqueror I played some videos on youtube and others not.
[12:13] <kurrele>  Any idea, to play all the videos without problems?
[12:16] <kurrele> It seems as if you load the wrong non-free flash player and sometimes if you do well
[12:19] <kurrele> I think that problem can be AdBlock
[12:53] <seaLne> has anyone had problems in jaunty with kontact/kmail forgetting an imap account? just happened to me again today, last time was a few weeks ago
[13:00]  * a|wen has not lost any accounts yet ... but this is only my 5th day on jaunty
[13:04] <seaLne> the weird thing is that all the files related to the account disapear aswell, its not just something getting corrupted
[13:04] <kurrele> I have a pop account and have not had problems
[13:17] <blizzz> i also don't have issues with kontact so far
[13:24] <Quintasan> Hmm strange. Got Phonon notifciation that the sound system isn't working :/
[13:31] <blizzz> hm, the konversation-sys-tray-icon is not in the systray in jaunty. it is in a usual window.
[13:31] <blizzz> but it  worked before i logged out and back in again
[13:32] <Quintasan> ARGH regressions ftw
[13:32] <Quintasan> something kills my sound card and IDK what :/
[13:33] <Quintasan> and why there are depends on libpulse0, FFFUUU-
[13:33] <Lure> seaLne: interesting, I had such problems before kde 4.2, but do not recall seeing them in jaunty
[13:53] <blizzz> is it known that konqueror does not scroll smoothly in jaunty?
[13:53] <blizzz> (no matter effects are turned on or off)
[13:58] <Mamarok> Quintasan: welcome to hell, gues how I can test Amarok like that...
[13:58]  * Mamarok has to restart KDE over and over again to get sound again
[14:01]  * Quintasan thinks it's time to go skateboarding
[15:26] <hunger> Any idea what might cause the akonadi server to exit with code 255?
[15:30] <hunger> Deleting every akonadi directory in my homedir fixed the issue:-)
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> Okay, KPackageKit is apparently also unable to install java due to no debconf: bug 350972
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm afraid we might have to revert back to Adept :(
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> Between that and not being able to do install-new-packages-type updates
[16:02] <valgaav> shaman is a really nice package manager
[16:03] <valgaav> shaman2 (still in development) is going to have a packagekit integration so it can work with kubuntu
[16:03] <valgaav> and it's alike to synaptic which is a good thing imho
[16:03] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ++ on that idea. IMHO kpackagekit is not ready yet.
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> But as long as its installable people shouldn't be *too* mad, I hope :(
[16:09] <Mamarok> valgaav: sounds promising
[16:51] <mat69> is 9.04 shipping with KDE 4.2.1 or with KDE 4.2.2?
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> mat69: 4.2.2
[16:56] <mat69> ok thank you
[17:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, why is the eclipse packages updated for kubuntu 9.04
[17:02] <CPrgmSwR2> updated = outdated
[17:04] <a|wen> CPrgmSwR2: looks like eclipse might be unmaintained in debian, so probably no new versions to merge in
[17:05] <dtchen> right. no manpower.
[17:05] <dtchen> if you want a newer version, we can always use more manpower. ;)
[17:05] <CPrgmSwR2> I have no idea how to make a deb package
[17:07] <dtchen> CPrgmSwR2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[17:08] <dtchen> the canonical guide is the Debian Policy, but it's likely awkward to the uninitiated
[17:08] <dtchen> also, see #ubuntu-motu
[17:08] <dtchen> i won't volunteer any motu or core-dev who happen to reside in this channel ;)
[17:16] <a|wen> in any case, it won't happen for jaunty ... more likely for karmic (and if you are lucky with a backport)
[17:18] <CPrgmSwR2> so far eclipse has the best php ide environment
[17:20] <blizzz> kdevelop4 with php plugin shows promises
[17:22] <CPrgmSwR2> does kdevelop4 work?
[17:22] <CPrgmSwR2> last time I recall it was still in devleopment
[17:22] <blizzz> it is not released yet
[17:23] <CPrgmSwR2> yep
[17:23] <blizzz> it is beta 1 currently
[17:23] <CPrgmSwR2> is it avaliable on jaunty
[17:24] <CPrgmSwR2> nevermind
[17:24] <CPrgmSwR2> its not
[17:25] <Mamarok> CPrgmSwR2: you might try Qtcreator
[17:26] <blizzz> Mamarok: for php?
[17:26] <Mamarok> oh, sorry, overlooked that :)
[17:45] <EagleScreen> do you expect kbluetooth4 to be currently working in jaunty?
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> It works, though it is a little unstable
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> it crashes on resuming from suspend, for example
[17:46] <EagleScreen> i cannot send a file to a cell phone
[17:50] <a|wen> EagleScreen: funny... i can send but not receive
[17:52] <EagleScreen> I open send file, I choose the file, I select the device, and nothing happens
[17:53] <EagleScreen> but now it is not listing the device
[17:56] <jussi01> a|wen: I have the same...
[18:13] <blizzz> regarding bluetooth: i can receive, but not send
[18:21]  * a|wen thinks this half the people can receive, half can send is rather weird
[19:29] <josh-l> anyone else get this lame issue, if I open another tab or firefox window, and the previous was a flash site, not always immediately but eventually the flash area just goes away replaced with grey?? I then have to refresh the page, loosing stuff in the flash...
[19:31] <valgaav> I do not experience that
[19:31] <valgaav> though I'm using the beta 64 bit flash plugin from adobe
[19:32] <josh-l> hmmm valgaav maybe i should try i'm also running 64bit
[19:32] <josh-l> valgaav: how did you install it?
[19:32] <josh-l> valgaav: is there a repo anywhere with it yet?
[19:41] <josh-l> valgaav: could really use your help here
[20:22] <valgaav> well
[20:22] <valgaav> waitt a moment and I'll help you
[20:24] <valgaav> get it from here
[20:24] <valgaav> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[20:25] <valgaav> and when you unpack it
[20:26] <valgaav> just move the  libflashplayer.so to /home/your home folder/.mozila/plugins/
[20:26] <valgaav> should work out of there
[20:27] <valgaav> BTW 64 bit flashplayer works so mouch better then the 32 bit one with ndiswrapper
[20:27] <valgaav> even if it's beta I still recommend it if you are on 64 bits
[20:44] <jjesse> good afternoon, it looks like my sound isn't working since my upgrade to intrepid, antyhing i can do to troubleshoot?
[20:46] <jjesse> menat since my upgrade to jaunty from intrepid
[20:57] <valgaav> that's probably somthing with new kernel update
[20:57] <valgaav> did you make any hacks to get it working with 2.6.28 ?
[20:58] <valgaav> or some alsa update issue
[21:00] <jjesse> valgaav: nope in intrepid sound worked out of the box
[21:01] <valgaav> well something that knows more then me should probably answer that
[21:02] <valgaav> but  is any sound driver listed when you issue in terminal a lsmod command ?
[21:03] <valgaav> something = someone :P ... damn typo
[21:24] <freinhar1> could someone with a german locale please try kcmshell4 --help
[21:24] <freinhar1> umlauts aren't rendered right here.
[21:35] <neversfelde> freinhard: I can confirm this problem


[12:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:30] <bregma> br-r-r-r it's dang cold this morning... yesterday it was 8 C, this morning it's -10 C
[13:33] <BluesKaj> yup, it was -17 here last night , clear cold winter night


[23:43] <Wrin> Dr_Willis: Tried in VLC and in Totem
[23:43] <aadam> ooooooooooo
[23:43] <Wrin> loof: Everything is set to OSS, but I´ve tried setting them to ALSA and pulse
[23:43] <aadam> heloooooooo
[23:44] <NoonienSoong97> Yea I have ahad some problems with VLC in ubuntu as well
[23:44] <jeffce> tiyowan_: that command is not availible on this system...
[23:44] <loof> and when you select say sound playback what are the options? like is it onboard audio or what?
[23:44] <loof> should list the actual hardware
[23:44] <Wrin> loof: HDA Intel STAC92xx among others
[23:44] <cheeseman> sudo apt-get install
[23:45] <_CommandeR_> Hi I get an error when I try to boot 9.04 from USB = http://pastebin.com/m38bb2b5e
[23:45] <tiyowan_> jeffce: Oh sorry. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:45] <loof> what others?
[23:45] <Wrin> loof: Autodetect, ALSA, OSS, PulseAudio
[23:45] <cheeseman> sudo apt-get install gnome
[23:45] <cheeseman> problem solved
[23:45] <Wrin> loof: Several options for the HDAxx
[23:45] <tiyowan_> _CommandeR_: Your kernel cannot load a module. How did you make the live USB?
[23:46] <jeffce> tiyowan_: and this will save me from having to make a live usb and install from scratch? wow, it cant be this easy...
[23:46] <tiyowan_> jeffce: Yep
[23:46] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, It's a full-install, right?
[23:46] <tiyowan_> jeffce: Well, you might experiences some glitches after the upgrade - google before upgrading
[23:47] <NoonienSoong97> anyways the problem I had earlier is still there. I can't even change, or delete the files need to get ubuntu connected to the repositories. I tried even a installing the latest version and it can't even due to the problem I am having with the connection. All I can get into is the software sources, and nothing else related to updating, changing, or deleting from ubuntu.
[23:47] <_CommandeR_> tiyowan_, Kalmi_  ; was using USB BOOT creator in Ubuntu 9.04 and also the UNetbooting software
[23:48] <_CommandeR_> tiyowan_, Kalmi_  ; Both of them gives me the same error
[23:48] <loof> could try adding "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[23:48] <tiyowan_> _CommandeR_: Are you using the same iso as the source?
[23:48] <loof> wrin: and reboot
[23:48] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, buggy driver... this will sound stupid.... but you will need to unplug it at the right moment and than plug it back in.... after the first error :)
[23:49] <_CommandeR_> tiyowan_, Used iso from ubuntu.com
[23:49] <Distro^Junkie> trying to get a usb hard drive to be detected on ubuntu 9.04 64 bit
[23:50] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, there is bug about it on launchpad with that workaround... but I can't seem to find it
[23:50] <Wrin> loof: Gonna take a second
[23:50] <loof> wrin: np
[23:50] <sahak> is Ubuntu 9.10 going to use KMS by default?
[23:50] <Wrin> loof: restarting
[23:50] <danbhfive> sahak: try +1
[23:51] <Vixon9> Hello, is anyone here using a GTX 275 on ubuntu?  I recently purchaced one, and Nvidia says linux does not yet support it.
[23:51] <_CommandeR_> Kalmi_, hm, First it comes to the load i press enter to load Ubuntu with no changes to my pc then i can see the ata erros that are usual then i can see the bios error for a sec then it shows the progress bar for several minutes then black screen showing the errors i gave from the pastebin
[23:52] <tiyowan_> _CommandeR_: What kind of bios error?
[23:52] <MattCampbell> How do I get Ubuntu (default GNOME desktop) to use a USB audio device by default instead of the onboard audio?
[23:52] <|PaperTiger|> Anyone know how to get Amarok to recognise a Creative Zen?
[23:52] <_CommandeR_> tiyowan_, http://pastebin.com/m38bb2b5e
[23:52] <Vixon9> Go to System-Sounds?
[23:52] <danbhfive> MattCampbell: maybe try gstreamer-properties
[23:52] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, unplug and plug it back in right after the soft resets
[23:52] <jeffce> tiyowan_: thanks, i can fix glitches :-)
[23:52] <blondie18> Kalmi_, I got it working with xrandr -s 0
[23:52] <Vixon9> System - PRefrerences-sound*
[23:53] <Wrin> loof: Still doing it
[23:53] <loof> wrin: np
[23:53] <_CommandeR_> Kalmi_, ehm before the progress bar ?
[23:53] <loof> wrin: er doh misread
[23:53] <loof> hm
[23:53] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, yes
[23:53] <eax> Hi there :) I'm trying to set up a multi-monitor system using the Nvidia driver tool, can anyone tell how to set one monitor as the "main" monitor over the other one? :)
[23:53] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, right after the soft resets
[23:53] <Wrin> loof: Its weird, not doing it with anything other than the xVid MP3 at 48000Hz
[23:53] <Vixon9> I think you canclick and hold on one of the pictures of the monitors and move it to the left of the other
[23:54] <_CommandeR_> Kalmi_, ehm what do you mean with the soft resets ?
[23:54] <samourai_41> salut
[23:54] <loof> wrin: what's your exact machine? like make/model? it'll help
[23:54] <Wrin> loof: Have music and MP3 that both work at 48000Hz
[23:54] <MattCampbell> OK, if I change the settings in System/Preferences/Sound, will I bypass PulseAudio?  I know PulseAudio is widely disliked, but I assume it's there for a reason.
[23:54] <ruler> WHERE WE are usung sun virtual box
[23:54] <Wrin> loof: Dell Inspiron 1520
[23:54] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, softreset failed (device not ready)
[23:54] <Vixon9> im not sure Matt, sorry
[23:54] <tiyowan_> _CommandeR_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7312473&postcount=5
[23:54] <berbex> exit
[23:55] <eax> Anyone? :)
[23:55] <tiyowan_> MattCampbell: Yep - change the settings to ALSA
[23:55] <ruler> sun virtual box
[23:55] <MattCampbell> Also, does System/Preferences/Sound cover non-GStreamer apps such as Adobe Flash Player?
[23:55] <Vixon9> eax:  Click and hold one monitor and drag it to the left of the other in settings manager?
[23:55] <eax> Vixion9: And then Apply or?
[23:56] <eax> Oh well restarting X thanks :)
[23:56] <ruler> what is sun virtualbox
[23:56] <_CommandeR_> tiyowan_, this error only happens when trying to boot ubuntu from USB, i have full working Ubuntu 9.04 Wubi with my pc
[23:56] <shadeslayer> hi i can install the USB creator in a KDE live session but i cannot start it
[23:57] <Kalmi_> _CommandeR_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/350946/comments/15
[23:57] <pyyter1977> hi
[23:57] <tiyowan_> _CommandeR_: I know - it's a known bug, check the link Kalmi_ posted
[23:57] <tiyowan_> !welcome | pyyter1977
[23:57] <pyyter1977> haw can i reinstall vista___
[23:57] <tiyowan_> shadeslayer: What happens when you try to start it?
[23:57] <tiyowan_> pyyter1977: Reinstall vista? Try #windows
[23:57] <shadeslayer> i have to make another bootable USB since the USB im currently using was not written to properly
[23:57] <_CommandeR_> Kalmi_, tiyowan_  I will try it thanx m8
[23:58] <pyyter1977> i have vista home premium
[23:58] <Kalmi_> pyyter1977, ##windows
[23:58] <ruler> what is the use of sun virtual box
[23:58] <tiyowan_> pyyter1977: Ask the people in the #windows channel
[23:58] <MattCampbell> Does anyone know why Ubuntu even uses PulseAudio when ALSA has dmix?
[23:58] <tiyowan_> ruler: Google for "virtualization"
[23:58] <lou_> hi,ruler .Virtual box is used to imitate a real OS
[23:58] <Blinkiz> Hi. I have a package from a PPA I want to install. It has another package under "suggest" that is being installed. What is the command in apt-get to ignore these suggests?
[23:58] <tiyowan_> MattCampbell: Because PulseAudio is the default. Change it.
[23:58] <danbhfive> MattCampbell: what is dmix?
[23:58] <tiyowan_> shadeslayer: Do you have a Windows installation available?
[23:59] <shadeslayer> tiyowan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/201141/
[23:59] <ruler> lou_: what please tell clearly i am new to ubuntu
[23:59] <pyyter1977> yes bat on acer 7720 non work alt+f10
[23:59] <shadeslayer> tiyowan_: i do but since i lost grub when the installer erased the partition
[23:59] <pyyter1977> non i don=t have a cd
[23:59] <shadeslayer> i cannot boot it


[08:52] <elithrar> Looking at the Upstart cookbook (updated 2014-07-17) can I assume that user jobs aren't able to log to /var/log/upstart/* (i.e. I'd need to manage my own logging solution)?
[08:56] <xnox> elithrar: system jobs log to /var/log/upstart/*, user-session jobs log to $XDG_CACHE_HOME/upstart/ -> which typically is $HOME/.cache/upstart/
[08:56] <xnox> elithrar: so default behaviour is the same for both: stdout & stderr is collected & rotated into logs somewhere.
[08:59] <elithrar> xnox: Alright, thanks. Having issues when using `set uid $USER` and `set gid $USER` where the job fails to start. No useful logging information from Upstart.
[09:01] <xnox> elithrar: oh, well neither of those stanzas are correct -> job not recognised -> job not run =)
[09:02] <xnox> elithrar: "setuid" and "setgid" are correct stanzas -> note no space.
[09:02] <elithrar> Whoops, I typo'ed them in IRC. Not in the config.
[09:02] <xnox> elithrar: and that's a system level job, so log would be in /var/log/upstart/*
[09:02] <xnox> elithrar: can you run $ init-checkconf /etc/init/that-job.conf ?
[09:06] <elithrar> "failed to ask Upstart" (although it still writes it to /tmp/user/$UID/init-checkconf...
[09:07] <elithrar> I asked all of this as the Upstart docs indicate "User jobs cannot currently take advantage of job logging. If a user job does specify console log, it is considered to have specified console none. Logging of user jobs is planned for the next release of Upstart."
[09:11] <xnox> elithrar: ..... user jobs != user-session jobs != system job with setuid specified
[09:12] <elithrar> Upstart 1.5 here, so only user jobs.
[09:12] <xnox> elithrar: we used to have (now deprecated) user jobs, where jobs are read from $HOME/.init/ and are run under the user jobs.
[09:12] <elithrar> (running 12.04 - I should have clarified. Only just noticed that 1.7 brought session jobs)
[09:12] <xnox> elithrar: well, read $ man 5 init, I don't think 1.5 had "console log" at all)
[09:13]  * xnox checks.
[09:13] <elithrar> It does, but only for system jobs - so you're right / my first comment was on the mark
[09:13] <elithrar> logged "Only applies to system jobs: if specified by user jobs, the job will be considered to have specified the value none."
[09:13] <elithrar> *log
[09:13] <xnox> elithrar: yeap =(
[09:14] <elithrar> Welp, I'm rebuilding this box as a 14.04 LTS machine so I'll use session jobs and test in Vagrant. Thanks for helping diagnose though—more incentive to upgrade.
[09:15] <xnox> elithrar: you should be able to use something like "log-output" or something like that. Or otherwise redirect stdout/stderr to a file you can write to as that user.
[09:16] <xnox> elithrar: ha, log-output is ubiquity internal -> so no, can't use it.
[09:16] <elithrar> Yeah, I was trying to avoid that since I then need to write a logrotate config. Which isn't a challenge, but it's just less incentive to migrate from supervisord. I prefer to use the "included tools" but older versions of Upstart are a bit limiting
[13:39] <six86> Hello. I have a problem with upstart. I want to start a software when two can interfaces are available. But "start on (net-device-up IFACE=can0 and net-device-up IFACE=can1)
[13:39] <six86> " does not work. Am I doing something wrong here?!
[13:48] <six86> anyone?
[15:49] <sean_abbott> So as I understand it, just putting the conf file in /etc/init should let upstart know about the job
[15:49] <sean_abbott> So, then, I guess if it still claims to NOT know about my job, there's a problem with it.
[15:49] <sean_abbott> is that correct?
[16:04] <sean_abbott> here's what I dn't understand.  Your debug guide says if you get unknown job you have a configuration issue.
[16:04] <sean_abbott> use init-checkconf
[16:04] <sean_abbott> but init-checkconf doesn't work on servers
[16:04] <sean_abbott> and ya'll don't respond at all.
[16:07] <sean_abbott> ok, was finally able to run init-checkconf from my desktop and that got me there
[16:07] <sean_abbott> \quit


[00:26] <bregma> racarr, what's the input library called and where can I find it?
[00:38] <racarr> bregma: It lives in the mir tree.
[00:38] <racarr> bregma: 3rd_party/android-input
[00:38] <racarr> by itself it doesn't do a whole lot so we have the classes in mir::input (i.e. src/input, src/input/android)
[00:38] <racarr> to tie it together
[03:09] <thomi> RAOF: got a second?
[03:10] <racarr> Getting a second nexus 4 in the mail tomorrow so I will finally have a full time Ubuntu phone :D
[03:10] <racarr> also it will be white
[03:10] <racarr> I'm sorry I just come back in the evening and distract the southern hemisphere
[03:12] <racarr> working on getting platform-api branch proposable so ricmm can review it in his morning
[03:12] <thomi> racarr: you're doing things on the platform api project?
[03:13] <duflu> racarr: platform-api stuff probably relates to my cry-for-help email..? :)
[03:13] <thomi> when I get back from holiday I'm going to try and get you guys to take on the python bindings for said project... at the moment every time you guys change the API the entire testing stack on the phone breaks :-/
[03:13] <duflu> racarr: Cool, white, easy to distinuish
[03:13] <duflu> +g
[03:14] <duflu> thomi: We've been very aware of the need to stabilize it for a long time. Sorry to say I changed the client API again last night. But such changes are becoming rarer
[03:15] <thomi> hey, that's OK... it just sucks that the python bindings are in a totally separate project. It makes them rather too invisible
[03:15] <thomi> I'd like to have them in the same project, building at the same time as trunk
[03:17] <racarr> thomi: duflu: Yes. There is a new version of the API, so I did new mir backends
[03:17] <racarr> in the process of removing TODOs and testing the various qtubuntu configurations (mirserver/mirclient desktop/phone)
[03:18] <racarr> Hopefully it should land with qtubuntu changes tomorrow or monday unless something horrible happens
[03:18] <racarr> and things will just work tm*
[03:19] <racarr> duflu: So the short answer on the email is if the old instructions don't work (you could still try building ~robertcarr/platform-api/mirserver and ~robertcarr/qtubuntu/mirserver then unity/phablet/integrate-mir)
[03:19] <racarr> probably just wait until monday
[03:19] <racarr> I guess there is no reason why that wouldn't work
[03:20] <duflu> racarr: So long as you're not *aware* of anything those branches are missing...
[03:20] <racarr> duflu: They should work, at least on desktop
[03:20] <racarr> platform API, you need to build with
[03:21] <racarr> -DPLATFORM_API_IMPLEMENTATION=mirserver
[03:21] <racarr> qtubuntu, the whole source tree doesn't build (just the qpa plugin) so you go to src/platforms/
[03:21] <racarr> then qmake -o Makefile
[03:21] <racarr> make
[03:22] <racarr> my system seems to have problems with finding the platform api so at this point becaue qmake isn't looking in arch specific directories so I have symlinks XD
[03:22] <racarr> um but then that builds
[03:22] <racarr> there was a fix that landed a few weeks ago in mesa that this will require so make sure your mesa is recent
[03:22] <racarr> then to build unity you can
[03:22] <racarr> I think it's
[03:23] <racarr> ./build -s
[03:23] <duflu> racarr: Recent as in PPA?
[03:23] <racarr> then just go to a VT and ./run -m
[03:23] <racarr> yeah PPA is perfect
[03:24] <duflu> racarr: Copy, paste. I'll let you know how I went on Monday
[03:24] <racarr> Cool :)
[03:25] <racarr> im really hoping by the end of monday to have things in a state where it's as simple as add repository, run unity/build unity
[03:25] <racarr> and then guess what it's time for!!
[03:25] <racarr> FEATURES!
[03:35] <RAOF> thomi: Yo.
[03:36] <thomi> RAOF: hey - I sent an email to the mir-devel list, which is what I was gonna ask you about anyway. tl;dr version: mir client library leaks FDs again
[03:36] <RAOF> Woot!
[03:36] <thomi> yeah... not so much
[03:39] <RAOF> So you'd like me to un Bork Bork Bork! the client library? :)
[03:40] <thomi> RAOF: Yes pleese-a feex zee cleeent epee
[03:40] <thomi> can't really do swedish chef in text...
[03:40] <thomi> bork bork!
[03:41] <duflu> Hmm, sometimes I thing Swedish Chef would make more sense than GCC, or Mir errors
[03:42] <thomi> I'm sure we could patch clang
[03:42] <thomi> warnings would print "bork", and errors would print "bork bork!"
[03:42] <thomi> segfaults...
[03:45] <duflu> GCC had drawn a fish on the screen... ?
[03:45] <duflu> *has
[03:46] <RAOF> Free the fish!
[04:28] <racarr> oh yay trying to run unity on new platform-api leaves my system unresponsive
[04:29] <racarr> do I A. Try and extract a stack trace failing and rebooting 10 times before suceeding
[04:29] <racarr> or B. Speculate at possible causes failing and rebooting 10 times before suceeding
[04:41] <racarr> ok the segfault was kind of funny, qtubuntu is now using a static keycode list, we can remove this because we use xkbcommon and its actually unused on phablet because the OSK goes through a different code path
[04:41] <racarr> but I hadnt removed it yet in the new qtubuntu because I figured it was harmless
[04:41] <racarr> but we send some pretty big keycodes apparently and it can overflow this array
[04:41] <racarr> unity still doesn't show up but hard to tell if its these QML errors or something broken
[04:45] <racarr> qt seems to be working but Shell.qml is broken
[04:45] <racarr> in the branch I have
[04:46] <racarr> going to get a clean build while I watch the daily show!
[05:07] <racarr> Whee it runs
[05:07] <racarr> apparently I only have 59 minutes of talk time left on my imac though
[05:07] <racarr> XD
[09:06] <alan_g> alf_: could you check https://code.launchpad.net/~robertcarr/mir/dev-package-depends-on-boost/+merge/167807
[09:07] <alf_> alan_g: looking
[10:14]  * duflu --> weekend
[15:04] <kdub> good morning everyone
[15:05] <alan_g> good afternoon kdub
[15:12] <alf_> kdub: hi!
[15:14] <alf_> kdub: alan_g: How about a hangout about swapper-swapper (and later with Robert about client-focus-notifications) to discuss how to proceed/speed things up?
[15:16] <kdub> alf_, sure
[15:17] <alan_g> alf_: give me 5 minutes to review the current state of swapper-swapper
[15:20] <kdub> i have an update to take your simplification for the RWLockWriterBias class
[15:20] <kdub> i'll push after the meeting though
[15:22] <alf_> kdub: alan_g: hm, I can't find how to create a hangout :/
[15:22] <alan_g> alf_: that's the new improved interface. ;)
[15:22] <alan_g> keep clicking
[15:25] <alan_g> kdub: i don't think it compiles anyway. ;)
[15:25] <alan_g> "voud" indeed
[15:26] <alf_> alan_g: kdub: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ad562109a71a07604737b3453b414f1b29de4454?hl=en , let's give it a try
[15:28] <racarr> Morning
[15:28] <racarr> greyback: ricmm: Can we delay catchup 10 minutes? I am just finishing breakfast
[15:30] <racarr> oh we cancelled it today?
[15:37] <alf_> racarr: there?
[15:45] <kdub> racarr, want to talking about client-focus-notifications on the hangout? :)
[15:45] <racarr> Yes! sorry
[16:06] <alf_> all: Have a great weekend
[16:10] <racarr> You too alf
[16:10] <racarr> *excited for the mailman to come*
[16:10] <racarr> second nexus 4
[16:44] <kdub> just in time for the nex7 to start working :P
[16:46] <racarr> really!
[16:46] <racarr> well that's ok nexus 4 is more useul anyway
[16:56] <racarr> I noticed last night how much time I spent looking for windows and how disorienting this was
[16:56] <racarr> since I switched to two monitors
[16:56] <racarr> hotcorner for scale windows -> really nice
[17:01] <racarr> Something I just noticed about filenames
[17:01] <racarr> session_manager_test.cpp is significantly more useful than
[17:02] <racarr> test_session_manager.cpp
[17:03]  * alan_g expects renames by next week
[17:03] <racarr> I named the mirplatform API impl files like, session_mir.cpp, application_options_mir.cpp etc, because I was copying the naming convention in there, but then I was tempted to rename the files to like, mir_session_options.cpp
[17:03] <racarr> and realized that was actually really annoying
[17:03] <racarr> because you have can't tab complete
[17:03] <alan_g> Bye all. Have a good weekend!
[17:03] <racarr> Bye!
[17:03] <racarr> You too
[18:02] <olli> do you guys know how far RAOF got with packaging xmir?
[18:03] <olli> improving the packages that is
[18:03] <racarr> Not I, sorry.
[19:19] <racarr> Whee flashing new nexus 4
[19:19] <racarr> the white ones look funny
[19:27] <racarr> adb can not be run as root even after
[19:27] <racarr> fastboot unlock?
[19:33] <racarr> oh -b