[13:11] <SrRobot> He!
[13:11] <SrRobot> *Hey!
[13:33] <DarwinSurvivor> hey
[15:11] <wylde_> hey hey
[16:51] <dscassel> Hey!
[16:53] <dscassel> Waterloo Ubuntu Hour is at 8pm tonight at Duke of Wellington! http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1785/detail/
[16:54] <dscassel> It immediately follows the IRC meeting.  So if you're in Waterloo, come to the Welly at 7pm and join the IRC meeting IRL! :D
[19:06] <LinuxMonkey> Hey all : woot woot just got hydro back will be here in 4 hours :)
[20:08] <dscassel> Woot!
[20:08] <genii-around> dscassel: Howdy
[20:08] <dscassel> genii-around: Hi. :)
[20:53]  * azend might finally not miss a meeting this month :)
[20:56] <azend> Thenagain I am running arch
[21:09] <LinuxMonkey> i might actually be here for a meeting that is if I dont forget/get immersed into diablo3 running on ubuntu
[21:12] <willwh> LinuxMonkey: wine?
[21:12] <willwh> crossover?
[21:12] <willwh> I'm playing in windows
[21:12] <LinuxMonkey> willwh: crossover :)
[21:12] <willwh> ah :)
[21:12] <LinuxMonkey> willwh: I sold 1 item on the RMAH
[21:12] <willwh> you don't work for them do you?
[21:12] <willwh> nice
[21:13] <LinuxMonkey> willwh: nope I dont but I do chat with their QA folks alot
[21:14] <willwh> http://imgur.com/gallery/pCTzw
[21:14] <willwh> nice
[21:14] <willwh> I have an i5 2500k, 560gtx, 8gb ddr3 etc
[21:14] <willwh> I think I still have access to their beta builds
[21:15] <willwh> does it run ok?
[21:15] <LinuxMonkey> im getting a new pc soon, its being built as we speak.lol go DELL :}
[21:16] <LinuxMonkey> yeah runs ok however with ubuntu there an issue with ptrace
[21:20] <LinuxMonkey> Hahahaha asked my friend whats up...he replied... Not much, just walking the door, just got off work....lol he meant just walked in the door
[22:37] <dscassel> Meeting in (about) 20.
[22:38]  * genii-around makes coffee
[22:58] <dscassel> Arrived at our Ubuntu Hour location!
[22:59] <dscassel> Meeting starting momentarily
[22:59] <BobJonkman> Ready to go!
[23:00] <dscassel> Mass call! cyphermox genii-around khoover mars azend DarwinSurvivor IdleOne LinuxMonkey KombuchaKip oracology willwh bilal Jaguar Kulag ryanakca wylde_ BobJonkman egerlach james_w sipherdee bregma FiReSTaRT jlamothe txwikinger2
[23:00] <dscassel> Meeting starting now!
[23:00] <khoover> ohai
[23:01] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. My name's Kip from White Rock, BC. I'm project lead for Avaneya, a cerebral sci-fi game for Ubuntu (www.avaneya.com).
[23:02] <dscassel> Agenda here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-06-20
[23:03]  * BobJonkman is Bob Jonkman from Elmira, but currently sitting in the Duke of Wellington Pub in Waterloo.
[23:03] <genii-around> dscassel: Thanks, was just looking for that!
[23:03] <dscassel> Hi, Kip, khoover :)
[23:03] <wylde_> o.O
[23:03] <BobJonkman> genii-around! Good to see you around!
[23:03] <wylde_> o/
[23:04] <dscassel> Introduce yourself, svp. Who are you, where are you and what do you do with Ubuntu
[23:04] <BobJonkman> Ambitious agenda today - 'cos we didn't get around to everything in previous meetings
[23:04] <khoover> O_O genii's here?
[23:05] <LinuxMonkey> :) im here :) yay.... I run ubuntu, I install ubuntu, i would probably breath ubuntu if I could, I;m LinuxMonkey (aka Terry Jacob)
[23:05] <genii-around> I'm Mike, in Toronto. I assist and moderate users on the IRC channels, promote Ubuntu locally with release parties and distributing CDs, etc.
[23:05] <wylde_> James PLate from Wellend Ontario. I push Ubuntu on friends and relatives! I also spend some time bug triaging, and corrections in ubuntu docs
[23:05] <dscassel> I'm Darcy in Waterloo and I'm LoCo contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[23:05]  * genii-around slides khoover a coffee
[23:07] <khoover> I'm Ken Hoover, in Markham (north of Toronto), heading into first-year CS at UofT St. George. Been using ubuntu for a while, starting to expand now.
[23:08] <dscassel> Hi, folks! :D
[23:08] <dscassel> LinuxMonkey: You're from Moncton, I gather? :)
[23:09] <LinuxMonkey> yes sir!
[23:09] <dscassel> Cool. You have your own agenda item later on. :)
[23:10] <LinuxMonkey> :)
[23:10] <SrRobot> Hey!
[23:11] <IdleOne> hello
[23:11] <wylde_> o/
[23:12] <BobJonkman> We're here.  Since some of us are doing IRC In Real Life just before Ubuntu Hour Waterloo we're likely to be a bit distracted
[23:12] <BobJonkman> So, was anyone at UDS back in May?
[23:13] <IdleOne> I sorta was
[23:13] <wylde_> remotely I was :) IRC and audio feeds.
[23:13] <IdleOne> I did a skype call with AlanBell during one of the sessions. I was on the big screen
[23:14] <dscassel> Sweet.
[23:14] <dscassel> I know bilal was there.
[23:14] <dscassel> bregma probably was too.
[23:14] <IdleOne> wait, it a was a google video
[23:14] <IdleOne> not skype
[23:15] <dscassel> IdleOne: Ah, I was in a session where they said they were going to try to set up a google hangout, but I didn't think it actually happened.
[23:15] <dscassel> Whas this on the Friday?
[23:15] <IdleOne> dscassel: it didn't turn out to be a hangout, was just me
[23:16] <IdleOne> I think it was on a Thursday, well it was a hangout in the sense that Alan and I were both in the hangout
[23:16] <dscassel> I see. :)
[23:17] <genii-around> afk 3-5 minutes. I'll catch up on scroll when I get back.
[23:17]  * IdleOne takes genii-around's cup
[23:17] <dscassel> IdleOne: Do you know what's going on with the Montreal Hours?
[23:18] <dscassel> We've got them in the ubuntu-ca calendar, but we're not sure if they're still happening.
[23:18] <IdleOne> The one that MagicFab was doing weekly has sorta stopped, he's busy with FSF and real life but I know cyphermox mentioned yesterday that he is working on getting them started up again
[23:19] <BobJonkman> I distributed some Ubuntu 12.04 CDs at Linuxcaffe in Toronto last month.  Called it a Release Party ;)  Sammy from FreeGeekToronto was there, and Gord Campbell from Full Circle Magazine, and a gentleman named Larry.  Gave away some CDs, but Linuxcaffe is no longer distributing distro CDs. All their Linux reference texts are gone, too.
[23:19] <IdleOne> btw Quebec LoCo is official again as of yesterday thanks to komputes and cyphermox
[23:19] <dscassel> Nice. :)
[23:20] <IdleOne> yup :)
[23:21] <dscassel> I'll pester cyphermox about the hours some other time... :)
[23:21] <IdleOne> yeah, I don't have any details about it yet.
[23:22] <IdleOne> This isn't really .ca related but I am now on the Memberships board :)
[23:22] <LinuxMonkey> Congrats IdleOne
[23:22] <wylde_> congrats! :)
[23:22] <IdleOne> Thank you
[23:22] <genii-around> Back
[23:22]  * LinuxMonkey passes IdleOne a beer :)
[23:22] <dscassel> Sweet!
[23:22]  * IdleOne gives genii-around back his cup
[23:23] <genii-around> IdleOne: Hah, thanks
[23:23]  * dscassel is trying to convince BobJonkman to get his membership. :)
[23:23] <BobJonkman> IdleOne: Sounds Cool!  So what do you do on the Membership Board?
[23:23]  * BobJonkman is gobsmacked
[23:24] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: basically we decide if a users contributions are sufficient and sustained enough to merit them being official Ubuntu members
[23:24] <genii-around> I have a Toronto Freenet board meeting which will start sometime between now and 7:45-8:00. I'll let you know when i called up there and leave my client running to check scroll when I get back to my computer.
[23:24] <IdleOne> !membership
[23:26] <dscassel> LinuxMonkey: Tell me about this Moncton LUG...
[23:27] <dscassel> :)
[23:27] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: The kicker is that when you do become a member they expect even more work from you
[23:27] <LinuxMonkey> Well. I just started the moncton lug again, for those of you who dont know were moncton is...its in NB.
[23:27] <BobJonkman> :D Just like every other place that depends on volunteers
[23:27] <IdleOne> -----------------------------------------------------------------> that way
[23:28] <LinuxMonkey> I got a website up and running and new mailing list setup at monctonlug.ca
[23:28] <LinuxMonkey> past few weeks havent had much time to dedicate to it as much but were trying to kick start it again and be part of Ubuntu Canada while were at it :)
[23:29] <dscassel> LinuxMonkey: Awesome!
[23:29] <LinuxMonkey> Thats about it not much to say about moncton.lol
[23:29] <IdleOne> Does NB have a Ubuntu LoCo team?
[23:30] <dscassel> Well, by being here, you're as much a part of Ubuntu Canada as you need to be. (Although it's generally helpful to join the mailing list and the group on Launchpad)
[23:30] <dscassel> IdleOne: Canadian LoCo teams are Canada, Quebec and Vancouver.
[23:30] <dscassel> The LoCo council seems to want to split Canada into provinces, but they haven't actually talked to us yet.
[23:31] <LinuxMonkey> yep and im allready a part of Ubuntu Canada :)
[23:31] <dscassel> So Canada would become Ontario, because that's pretty much where we've been doing stuff.
[23:31] <BobJonkman> Current Canadian Team Chapters are listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam#Canadian_Team_Chapters
[23:32] <dscassel> If they split Canada into provinces, LinuxMonkey would have to (or get to, depending on your point of view) start his own loco.
[23:33] <IdleOne> Can't wait for the referendum to split the qc loco and make it independent
[23:33] <IdleOne> lol
[23:33] <wylde_> lol
[23:33] <dscassel> Heh.
[23:33] <LinuxMonkey> And for a small province like ours population wise would not be wise
[23:33] <dscassel> Quebec is already independant
[23:33] <dscassel> As far as LoCos are concerned.
[23:34] <dscassel> Which makes sense to me, since it primarily operates in French.
[23:34] <IdleOne> I see us all as part of the same family.
[23:34] <IdleOne> except better because here we actually tend to like each other
[23:34] <LinuxMonkey> im also guessing im the only one here from NB :(
[23:35] <dscassel> And, well, Vancouver is Vancouver.
[23:35] <IdleOne> Vancouver is made of Rock Stars
[23:35] <LinuxMonkey> dscassel: we didnt want their riots anyways :) lol just kidding
[23:35] <IdleOne> Who had riots?
[23:36] <BobJonkman> IdleOne: That's pretty much what we decided amongst ourselves.  Even if the LoCo Council does want to split up Canada, I doubt that would change how we do things.
[23:36] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: I agree :)
[23:37] <dscassel> LinuxMonkey: You're the onoly New Brunswicker to admit it so fa' :)
[23:38] <LinuxMonkey> I was born here, couldnt afford Ontario, So here i am again :)
[23:38] <dscassel> Yeah, if they split Canada, I'm going to petition to keep the ubuntu-ca communication channels.
[23:39] <dscassel> Tiny, province-specific email lists and IRC channels will just die off.
[23:40] <BobJonkman> just the fact that we're having regular IRC meetings shows a cohesiveness for the Canadian Team
[23:40] <dscassel> Anayway, back to Moncton!
[23:40] <dscassel> LinuxMonkey:  you should run events! :)
[23:41] <dscassel> The easiest one is the Ubuntu Hour: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[23:41] <BobJonkman> And that Ubuntu Hour Moncton could be the first meeting of the Moncton LUG
[23:42] <LinuxMonkey> dscassel: I was planing on getting something setup soon :)
[23:42] <dscassel> When you do, add it to the LoCo directory, here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca
[23:42] <dscassel> I'll probably blog about it. :)
[23:43] <dscassel> Take pictures and I'll send you Ubuntu CDs. :)
[23:45] <LinuxMonkey> i'm also supposed to go hubcitylabs... their a hackerspace just started in moncton too. They offered to let me use their space for meetings and so on :) I have yet been able to go but hopefully this Saturday I will go meet up with them :)
[23:45] <BobJonkman> Hackerspaces are great place for Ubuntu events
[23:45] <dscassel> Awesome!
[23:46]  * dscassel is president of a hackerspace. :D
[23:47] <LinuxMonkey> I'm a bit sad that Ubuntu got rid of the ship it cd's I used to get hundreds and pass em out at events
[23:47] <dscassel> That's what LoCos are for now. :)
[23:47] <SrRobot> Hello.
[23:47] <dscassel> We can get an event pack if you want to set up a table.
[23:48] <genii-around> SrRobot: Hello. Welcome to the Ubuntu Canada team meeting
[23:49] <LinuxMonkey> nice I'll have to keep that in mind. I'm gonna have to search the events in town to see if we have any tech related stuff coming in.
[23:49] <dscassel> SrRobot is sitting two seats to the right of me. :)
[23:49] <LinuxMonkey> I doubt we have anything coming in but who knows. hehehe
[23:50] <SrRobot> dscassel is two seats from me ;)
[23:50] <genii-around> Heh!
[23:51] <dscassel> And, like I said, I'll send you (or anyone else in Canada) a pack of 10 CDs for photographic proof that they ran an Ubuntu event. :)
[23:52] <genii-around> LinuxMonkey: How many people currently are attending the Moncton meetings?
[23:52] <dscassel> Moving on, we still need to do team reports.  Anyone have a few spare minutes and want to help out?
[23:53] <LinuxMonkey> genii-around: since the colapse of the old lug in 2004 ...none I'm starting it again :) we have yet to have a meeting but I got interest from approx 10 or so persons
[23:53] <BobJonkman> dscassel: Were you working on an automated reporting tool?
[23:54] <genii-around> dscassel: I was just looking at the team reports from March and April ( which are the latest posted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports ) .. we did stuff during that time like Ubuntu Hours and release parties but nothing there
[23:54] <dscassel> Yeah, if someone's interested, I'll see if I can dig it up.
[23:56] <dscassel> genii-around: I'm pretty sure I didn't do a report for March or April.
[23:57] <dscassel> When I was doing them, I was just going by what was on the LoCo directory and anything extra I could remember
[23:57] <BobJonkman> Canadian Team Reports are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/TeamReports - last one from October 2011
[23:57] <dscassel> :)


[00:26] <Epx998> keep getting no kernel modules on trying the 18.10 beta server image never seen that before
[00:36] <blackflow> Epx998: #ubuntu+1 is more suitable for that
[00:36] <Epx998> yeah i keep forgetting
[00:39] <Epx998> got passed the kernel error, see how it goes from here
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:31] <cpaelzer> jamespage: coreycb: FYI bug 1789659 has a potential fix for UCA-Pike
[10:37] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ack - looking
[11:48] <rbasak> cpaelzer: welcome back!
[11:49] <rbasak> cpaelzer: bug 216847 came up in triage.
[11:49] <rbasak> cpaelzer: on network-online.target for openssh-server
[11:49] <rbasak> cpaelzer: following our previous discussion, is that now a Won't Fix for Ubuntu packaging?
[11:50] <rbasak> Or perhaps a topic for ubuntu-devel@ ML?
[11:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that is a won't fix unless upstream fixes it
[11:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: this was discussed plenty of times, eventually there are two outcomes
[11:55] <cpaelzer> IIRC
[11:55] <cpaelzer> 1. the default config works always
[11:56] <cpaelzer> 2. if configured specially it might fail, but to implement that it would need IP_FREEBIND or netlink watching by upstream
[11:56] <cpaelzer> to pick up the interface late
[11:56] <cpaelzer> so per our discussion on the "general case" this would be Won't Fix as #1 is good and "please report upstream" for #2
[11:57] <cpaelzer> but afaik that bug had an upstream report for quite some time
[11:57] <cpaelzer> yep it has
[12:10] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:10] <cpaelzer> hi ahasenack
[12:14] <ahasenack> hi cpaelzer
[13:01] <ahasenack> why is bind9 logging so hard :/
[13:02] <blackflow> ahasenack: ?
[13:02] <ahasenack> it's not just add -d, or bump a log level parameter
[13:02] <ahasenack> one has to create channels
[13:03] <ahasenack> and categories
[13:03] <ahasenack> ugh
[13:06] <ahasenack> rbasak: cpaelzer: what are the next steps for the php7.3 removal, have josh comment on the bug?
[13:06] <blackflow> ahasenack: because it can quickly swamp all your IO if you're not careful and have a busy server.
[13:07] <blackflow> logging channels are great. you can separate xfr from queries from other events.
[13:08] <ahasenack> got any quick tips to debug this before I dig into pages and pages of documentation?
[13:08] <ahasenack> 12:48:59.821186 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.50271 > <IP_ADDRESS>.53: 54829+ [1au] A? fakehost.maas. (54)
[13:08] <ahasenack> 12:48:59.821319 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.53 > <IP_ADDRESS>.50271: 54829 Refused$ 0/0/0 (31)
[13:08] <ahasenack> querylog doesn't even show this query
[13:08] <ahasenack> I want to know why it was refused
[13:09] <blackflow> can you pastebin the zone?
[13:09] <ahasenack> no
[13:09] <ahasenack> the zone has just two A records
[13:09] <ahasenack> the bug is that I added a new interface to the host (<IP_ADDRESS>, virbr1)
[13:09] <ahasenack> but bind9, even while it acks the new nic, and says (logs) it's listening on it
[13:09] <ahasenack> doesn't answer queries on it
[13:09] <ahasenack> unless I restart it
[13:10] <ahasenack> netstat confirms it's listening on the new nic
[13:10] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: lets talk on standup about the removal
[13:10] <cpaelzer> I'm busy in a meeting atm - sorry
[13:10] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: ok, it's just that you and robie are eod by then
[13:11] <rbasak> ahasenack: looks like Steve's already done it?
[13:11] <blackflow> ahasenack: if you got refused, it's not networking issue but security or zone config issue. eg, there's no master zone defined and the server is forbidden from recursing (to your client IP), you'll get REFUSED.  also try either raising severity to debug, or run bind with -d
[13:12] <ahasenack> blackflow: that's what I'm looking for, debugging logs
[13:12] <ahasenack> and this query was from localhost
[13:12] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: today I don't get my EOD like forever :-)
[13:13] <ahasenack> rbasak: indeed, looks like I hadn't subscribed to the bug
[13:13] <cpaelzer> well then, done :-)
[13:13] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: rbasak thanks :)
[13:14] <ahasenack> blackflow: running with -d is the equivalent of calling "rndc trace <level>", or just "rndc trace" to bump the debug level. The command works, but nothing is logged, and I figure it's because there are no "channels" or "categories" defined in named.conf.*
[13:14] <ahasenack> so, pages and pages it is
[13:15] <ahasenack> https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-01526 "sample config", wow
[13:15] <blackflow> ahasenack: well yes you have to enable a channel for queries and uh... tbh, not sure which other chan, to see reasons for REFUSE. But I'm pretty sure if you get REFUSE, it's a security issue. by default named is not allowing recursive at all,
[13:16] <ahasenack> since a restart of named fixes it, it does look like a bug in the code that observes new interfaces and attaches to them
[13:17] <blackflow> needn't be a bug. named has ACLs so a different iface/ip address could've been unallowed
[13:18] <blackflow> btw <IP_ADDRESS>/8 is not considered part of "localnets" ACL
[13:22] <ahasenack> as I said, a restart fixes it
[15:12] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ahasenack: we have no final freeze yet right, do you think one of you could quickly check https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+git/virt-manager/+merge/356334 ?
[15:12] <cpaelzer> like in the next 1-2 hours in between meetings as time permits?
[15:13] <ahasenack> let me see how big it is
[15:13] <ahasenack> since we have standup now and lunch later
[15:13] <ahasenack> s/we/I/
[15:13] <cpaelzer> this usually (tm) builds and migrates without issues
[15:13] <cpaelzer> sure, only as time permits ahasenack
[15:13] <cpaelzer> please don't squeeze your lunchtime for it
[15:13] <rbasak> I'll do it unless ahasenack has already started
[15:13] <rbasak> Looks simple.
[15:14] <ahasenack> rbasak: go ahead please
[15:14] <rbasak> ack
[15:26] <DenBeiren_> Hi all,.. i have two lines in fstab to mount shares from one share on a synology, the other on ubuntu server,.. one works the synology,  the other doesn't,..the ubuntu one
[15:26] <DenBeiren_> i am missing something, but can't put my finger on it
[15:28] <DenBeiren_> https://pastebin.com/ee9eNhVB
[15:28] <DenBeiren_> this is the format
[15:28] <DenBeiren_> cifs utils is installed
[15:34] <cpaelzer> DenBeiren_: I used also ,vers=3.0 in the options for these actually
[15:34] <cpaelzer> not sure if that helps you
[15:35] <cpaelzer> my case was mount on Ubuntu a share exported by the NAS
[15:36] <DenBeiren_> mine is mount ubuntu on a different ubuntu
[15:36] <DenBeiren_> mount nas on ubuntu works :s
[15:37] <ahasenack> DenBeiren_: can you mount it manually from the command line? Is it just via fstab that it doesn't work?
[15:37] <cpaelzer> I formerly did ubuntu<->ubuntu and it worked, I'd also investigate on the server side config how the share is exported
[15:37] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: is the the right guy to ask
[15:39] <DenBeiren_> it seems i can't mount it manually neither
[15:40] <DenBeiren_> https://pastebin.com/wBrUMJ3Y
[15:42] <ahasenack> DenBeiren_: check if the share is exported
[15:43] <ahasenack> DenBeiren_: smbclient -L <host>
[15:43] <ahasenack> and repeat with -U user%pass if needed
[15:43] <ahasenack> and run testparm on the server, it will highlight some syntax errors in smb.conf if they exist
[15:44] <DenBeiren_> grmbl, need to drive the kids to basketball,.. i'll get back on this!
[15:44] <DenBeiren_> bbl to read and maybe get ideas :-)
[15:46] <ahasenack> cheers
[15:46] <ahasenack> I also have to leave, lunch
[16:00] <plm> Hi all =D
[16:14] <plm> $ sudo lxc launch ubuntu:16.04/armhf arm1
[16:14] <plm> Creating arm1
[16:14] <plm> error: Failed container creation:
[16:14] <plm>  - https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases: Requested architecture isn't supported by this host
[16:14] <plm> I following this url as TJ- told me  - https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases: Requested architecture isn't supported by this host
[16:14] <plm> What is wrong?
[16:15] <avu> plm: Are you running this on a armhf machine?
[16:16] <teward> plm: what's the main machine's architecture?
[16:16] <plm> avu: not, in a intel machine (xx86)
[16:16] <teward> if you intend to run this multiarch you can't do that with LXD containers
[16:17] <teward> plm: I asked this similar question to the LXC/LXD team about crossarch
[16:17] <plm> teward: x86 (64bit)
[16:17] <teward> and their ultimate response was "Not doable in LXD"
[16:17] <teward> https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/lxd-containers-on-other-architectures/2331
[16:17] <avu> plm: lxc is not a VM, it's just containers, you can't run another architecture
[16:17] <teward> plm: if you want to run ARMHF containers, you need to run LXD on an armhf machine
[16:18] <plm> teward: but here say that works https://askubuntu.com/questions/816886/how-do-run-an-arm-lxd-container-on-my-intel-host#816887
[16:18] <teward> plm: if you intend to do virtual architectures you need to go a full VM route with qemu-kvm-static or such which can 'emulate' other architectures (but with a performance hit)
[16:18] <teward> plm: that's an incorrect post
[16:18] <plm> avu: i will use qmu static to emulate, see?
[16:18] <teward> plm: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1060089/lxd-running-an-image-with-a-foreign-architecture/1060114#1060114 trumps that
[16:19] <plm> teward: I actually has the ubuntu 16.4 ARM running on emu on my x86 host
[16:19] <teward> I'm going to operate on the assumption you don't care waht stgraber, one of the ***PRIMARY DEVELOPERS OF LXD*** has to say on the matter
[16:19] <teward> they're the one that replied to my thread I linked to on the Linux Containers dicussion site
[16:20] <teward> stgraber: ping, please assist ^
[16:20] <teward> stgraber: because IIRC< oyu indicated cross-arch can't be done in LXD
[16:20] <teward> and I think plm is being stubborn and not listening :p
[16:20] <plm> teward: all right
[16:20] <avu> plm: read what that post teward linked says about wemu-user-static
[16:20] <teward> plm: what you were linking to was someone using ***LXC*** which had this support
[16:20] <teward> LXC support is no longer valid
[16:20] <avu> plm: it's still not a VM
[16:20] <teward> and LXC support is ***NOT*** for LXD
[16:21] <teward> LXD does not have qemu-static support
[16:21] <plm> avu: I read that
[16:21] <teward> and it's not an actual VM
[16:21] <teward> qemu-kvm-static *emulates* the architecture but that has limitations
[16:21] <teward> if you want armhf containers, you need armhf architecture
[16:21] <teward> for the machine itself
[16:21] <teward> for proper support
[16:21] <plm> teward: actually I already using qemu-arm-static, without run qemu vm, just starting the chroot
[16:21] <teward> qemu-arm-static isn't a VM
[16:22] <teward> it's emulation
[16:22] <teward> but point still stands
[16:22] <teward> (it's not a VM)
[16:22] <plm> teward: but with chroot I can to run the services, like as mysql etc, becouse I have the same IP like as the host
[16:22] <teward> but that's a chroot
[16:22] <teward> that's *not a VM or a container*
[16:22] <plm> becouse this TJ- suggest me that thread (url)
[16:22] <teward> then TJ- is wrong
[16:22] <teward> because that's LXC, not LXD.
[16:23] <teward> and LXC is more or less "obsolete" in favor of LXD
[16:23] <plm> teward: is possible I run a service in my chroot where has same ip of host?
[16:23] <teward> plm: *maybe*?  Can't guarantee it'd work properly
[16:23] <plm> I see about LXD and LXC
[16:23] <teward> nor can I suggest that being a proper approach
[16:23] <teward> but that begs a question:
[16:23] <teward> what are you running that ***needs*** armhf?
[16:24] <plm> teward: yes, armhf ubuntu 16.4
[16:24] <teward> 90% of all executables in existence work without armhf, even some armhf-compiled ones when compiled for standard Intel infrastructure
[16:24] <teward> plm: no, you're missing the point of my question
[16:24] <teward> ***WHY*** do you need armhf Ubuntu 16.04?
[16:24] <teward> if you have x86/x86_64 infra
[16:24] <plm> teward: becouse my device target is the armv7
[16:25] <teward> I don't support using chroots to run services that're web facing
[16:25] <teward> but you can *try*
[16:25] <plm> teward: how?
[16:25] <plm> teward: iconfig on chroot I have the host ip
[16:25] <teward> and with that i'm going to walk away because I'm not going to explain how to run programs in chroots to you
[16:25] <teward> (and because I have to fix something at work)
[16:26] <plm> teward: I know hoe run rpograms on chroot, just run, problem is how run a service listening in a port
[16:26] <plm> teward: all right. anyway, thanks for the clarify =D
[16:26] <teward> plm: I said you can *try* but I didn't say it'd work
[16:26] <blackflow> plm: can you repeat the problem?
[16:27] <teward> blackflow: their core problem was they wanted to containerize armhf on their x86 infra, which can't be done :p
[16:27] <blackflow> someone told me the other day it can (qemu based LXD)
[16:27] <plm> blackflow: I'm running 16.4 armhf on qemu on my x86_64bit ubuntu
[16:27] <teward> blackflow: it can't
[16:27] <blackflow> which was very much news to me
[16:27] <plm> blackflow: I'm running as qemu static, so I mount rootfs as chroot
[16:28] <teward> blackflow: from stgraber themselves on the linuxcontainer site: https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/lxd-containers-on-other-architectures/2331
[16:28] <teward> and stgraber is LXC/LXD ***god***
[16:28] <teward> blackflow:  you could in LXC but it apparently was really slow
[16:28] <teward> LXC and LXD are different :p
[16:28] <plm> blackflow: and as chroot I do everything in my ubuntu16.4 arm, but I need to run services, like as mysql, http, etc, how to do that, becouse chroot has the same ip as the host, see?
[16:28] <blackflow> it must be slow, qemu is doing all the ISA translations
[16:29] <blackflow> so see, when I read things like "qemu chroot" my mind blows. how does thta work. either you virtualize the ISA or... chroot is just a filesystem namespace.
[16:29] <blackflow> plm: I do have to ask, why. why arm container on x86 cpu. what's the advantage? preparing the container before you push it out to real arm hardware?
[16:30] <teward> blackflow: they're testing something for am armv7 target
[16:31] <teward> which I don't agree with
[16:31] <teward> (I'd test on the hardware direct)
[16:31] <blackflow> so why not a qemu VM in full. it's gonna be equally slow.
[16:32] <blackflow> anyway.... chroots are just filesystem namespaces. if you want network namespace you need to set it up. that's why a bridge and a full blown qemu based VM would work best.
[16:32] <blackflow> without it, yes you're sharing the same network stack as the host.
[16:43] <plm> hmmm
[16:44] <plm> blackflow: < plm> teward: becouse my device target is the armv7
[16:44] <plm> blackflow: all right, chroot works very fine, but I have no services
[16:45] <plm> blackflow: I think that chroot (qemu-arm-static) works faster thank a full qemu vm
[16:45] <blackflow> chroot only turns a directory into / . nothing else. if you need services inside it, you need to start them manually.
[16:46] <teward> plm: the speed will be equally slow as chroot or the full qemu VM
[16:46] <teward> and as blackflow said you'd have to start services manually
[16:46] <plm> teward: hmmm, so was just a perception =D
[16:46] <plm> blackflow: teward start services manually, how?
[16:46] <plm> blackflow: I start services manually on my chroot, but it run in the same port of host
[16:47] <blackflow> plm: you could copy your in-chroot systemd .service units to the host side and execute with RootDirectory set to the chroot
[16:47] <plm> *same IP
[16:47] <blackflow> plm: right because a chroot is just directory namespace, nothing else.
[16:47] <blackflow> if you want NETWORK namespace, you have to set it up.
[16:47] <plm> blackflow: hmm
[16:48] <plm> blackflow: "plm: you could copy your in-chroot systemd .service units to the host side and execute with RootDirectory set to the chroot" I not understand very well how to do that
[16:48] <blackflow> you use cp to copy, and then you modify it to add RootDirectory. but still, that will run within the same network namespace.
[16:49] <plm> blackflow: now problem, if I can access for example a port 8080 on my guest, is fine for me, for example
[16:49] <blackflow> you copy from /path/to/chroot/lib/systemd/system/foo.service   to /etc/systemd/system/       for example.
[16:50] <blackflow> plm: there is no guest. chroot is a directory namespace.
[16:50] <plm> blackflow: sorry, yes, just my chroot
[16:50] <plm> "you copy from /path/to/chroot/lib/systemd/system/foo.service   to /etc/systemd/system/       for example." will to try
[16:50] <plm> ^ that I was unkknow how to do =D
[16:51] <blackflow> plm: I'd really recommend you to set up a normal qemu based VM. libvirt will set up everything for you, including networking
[16:52] <plm> blackflow: ubuntu boot broken after I upgraded from 14.4 to 16.4
[16:52] <plm> blackflow: becouse this I'm using chroot
[16:52] <plm> :(
[17:18] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: rbasak: if any of you are still around and have a moment: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/squid/+git/squid/+merge/356351
[17:18] <ahasenack> at least to glance. ppa is still building, same for dep8 runs
[17:38] <rbasak> ahasenack: done
[17:40] <ahasenack> rbasak: cpaelzer: thanks!
[18:45] <ahasenack> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strongswan/+bug/1795813 looks like it affects cosmic as well (via code inspection: the patch isn't there), and the package is in main
[19:02] <DenBeiren_> ahasenack: does this output help? https://pastebin.com/G4xPFFft
[19:02] <ahasenack> DenBeiren_: yeah, what is the share you are trying to mount again?
[19:02] <ahasenack> downloads?
[19:03] <DenBeiren_> /home/downloads on <IP_ADDRESS> (skinner)
[19:06] <ahasenack> so what do you get when you try? mount //<IP_ADDRESS>/downloads /mnt -o username=<theuseryouhave>
[19:06] <ahasenack> (or some other target directory, doesn't have to be /mnt)
[19:09] <DenBeiren_> found it!
[19:09] <DenBeiren_> you can't use /home/downloads
[19:09] <DenBeiren_> need to mount /downloads
[19:09] <DenBeiren_> probably since you log in as a user, the /home is obsolete
[19:10] <ahasenack> ok
[19:12] <TJ-> DenBeiren_: no; it s because the share name defined on the 'server' is just "downloads" - it isn't the absolute path on the host itself.
[19:14] <DenBeiren_> aha
[19:35] <rbasak> ahasenack: good point, thanks
[19:35] <rbasak> ahasenack: oh, I think I remember my thinking
[19:35] <rbasak> ahasenack: I wanted a test case first
[19:36] <rbasak> (in the hope the reporter can help with that
[19:36] <rbasak> )
[19:52] <ahasenack> yeah, the test case might be tricky
[19:52] <ahasenack> rbasak: as they say it only happens under load
[19:53] <ahasenack> that, coupled with the fact there is no new release yet with the fix, made me skip it for cosmic inclusion
[20:04] <rbasak> ahasenack: perhaps I was hasty to tag it server-next - pending best effort reproduction steps from the reporter.
[20:05] <ahasenack> rbasak: we might never get such steps, at best a "it crashed before, now it works" from a site where the bug happens
[20:06] <rbasak> ahasenack: steps to configure it so that it may crash would still be useful I think - that would demonstrate what the configuration is at least so that others not familiar with the package could at least attempt to reproduce.
[20:07] <rbasak> Even if others can't actually reproduce it because of whatever race.
[20:43] <ahasenack> rbasak: strongswan (ipsec) with mysql, how hard could that be ;)
[20:53] <teward> ahasenack: ever hear of "death by a thousand cuts"?
[20:53] <teward> :P
[20:55] <ahasenack> this would be like a "quake axe murdered" scenario :)
[20:55] <ahasenack> cuts indeed
[22:41] <plm> TJ-: that url https://askubuntu.com/questions/816886/how-do-run-an-arm-lxd-container-on-my-intel-host#816887 not works
[22:41] <TJ-> plm: what's wrong with it?
[22:41] <plm> TJ-: I tried and put results here and people tellme that that thread is not correct
[22:42] <plm> TJ-: do yoy have log of this channel?
[22:45] <plm> TJ-: http://dpaste.com/12NTBR9
[22:54] <plm> TJ-: Did you see?
[22:55] <plm> TJ-: I would like just to fix what is the problem eith my rootfs to boot in normal qemu, could you help me?
[22:55] <plm> s/eith/with
[23:01] <plm> TJ-: to me is very fine if I can just start 16.4 booting in full VM qemu.
[23:12] <plm> TJ-: around? =D
[23:27] <TJ-> plm: sorry... Stefan's reply to tew's question on the LXD issue tracker shows it is still possible with the newer LXD. I'm testing that method here
[23:27] <plm> TJ-: all right =D
[23:37] <plm> TJ-: I will wait for you :)


[13:07] <coreycb> beisner, good morning, when you get a chance can you promote python-glance-store and mistral from newton-staging -> newton-proposed?
[13:11] <coreycb> beisner, also could use a flush of mitaka-staging -> mitaka-proposed for openstack-trove, mistral, and python-django.
[13:37] <zul> coreycb/ddelav: just updating deps this morning
[13:38] <coreycb> zul, cool thanks
[14:12] <coreycb> zul, ddellav, i'm working on the remaining red pkgs in ocata ci.  also bumping python-tenacity to 3.3.0 for vmware-nsx.
[14:12] <zul> coreycb: ok
[14:15] <ddellav> coreycb any chance the pbr issue with keystone is resolved?
[14:16] <coreycb> ddellav, i can fix that while i'm in there
[14:16] <ddellav> coreycb i've updated keystone already, just need that PBR fix to build binaries properly
[14:18] <coreycb> ddellav, ok should be fixed now, try pulling again
[14:19] <ddellav> do you it up somewhere in a PPA so i can add it to my sbuild env? if not i can upload it to mine
[14:48] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: hey I had the fun that debian just released a new version while I was workign on a merge
[14:48] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: eventually that doesn't affect reconstruct/deconstruct/logial at all
[14:48] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: all I'd like is maybe a reimport, then fetch from the importer repo
[14:49] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: eventually I want a "newer" new/debian to re-rebase onto
[14:49] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: does anything come to your mind that might make this task harder than it seems?
[14:49] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: if not could one please re-run the importer on strongswan?
[14:50] <Braven> Hello
[14:50] <cpaelzer> Hi Braven
[14:51] <Braven> cpaelzer:  Hello, cpaelzer
[14:51] <rbasak> cpaelzer: so I think you're asking that we just import the latest strongswan, right?
[14:52] <cpaelzer> rbasak: yes importing is the main request
[14:52] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thinking it through what might break when doing so is the secondary
[14:52] <rbasak> cpaelzer: OK. Workflow-wise I think it should work whether it updates or not.
[14:53] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that is what I hope, and I can save and restore to an older copy anyway if I need
[14:53] <rbasak> Nothing should break - it's just about what your local new/debian tag points to. You can update it if you want, or not.
[14:53]  * rbasak runs the importer
[14:53] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I think I have to move the new debian my own after fetching, but that should be it
[14:54] <Braven> I am new to Ubuntu Server so this question might be easy. How do I make Primary DNS server Changes take effect without rebooting the server?
[14:54] <cpaelzer> rbasak: need to check if "usd-merge tag" would do some other magic I need to redo as well
[14:54] <rbasak> That's true.
[14:55] <cpaelzer> Braven: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dns-configuration.html
[14:55] <cpaelzer> Braven: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[14:56] <rbasak> cpaelzer: strongswan imported
[14:56] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks I'll take a look if I run into anything working with it
[14:58] <Braven> I am sorry. The question was type wrong.  I need to know how to changes what dns server my ubuntu server are pointing too.
[14:58] <Braven> with out rebooting the system
[14:58] <cpaelzer> Braven: https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution
[15:01] <cpaelzer> Braven: most resolv conf updates are instant but the doc I linked inlcuding the links from thereshould lead you
[15:12] <cpaelzer> nacc: rbasak: FYI - the git fetch pulled in the new revision from debian
[15:12] <cpaelzer> nacc: rbasak: but usd-merge tag (with -f) did not move the new/debian forward
[15:12] <cpaelzer> nacc: not sure - is that a bug?
[15:12] <cpaelzer> I mived it on my own for now
[15:14] <cpaelzer> or rather moved
[15:18] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: other than that it seems to have worked just fine
[15:18] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: and in general this merge is a perfect example why we need that process - even with all splits I still had 51 patches in deconstruct
[15:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: squashed a lot into logical and then worked further and further on that after dropping some things that are now in Debian
[15:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: now down to 29 patches and IMHO much more readable and logically contained
[15:19] <rbasak> \o/
[15:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: nacc: I wouldn't see how you could reasonably merge that thing without this or a similar process
[15:25] <stoned> What happens to a distro after 5 years of LTS?
[15:25] <stoned> No more support, I imagine, but upgrading tends to become an issue.
[15:27] <cpaelzer> stoned: you mean https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life ?
[15:27] <cpaelzer> stoned: you mean upgrading from an end-of-life release becomes an issue?
[15:28] <stoned> yeah, after like 7-8 years.
[15:28] <stoned> :)
[15:28] <cpaelzer> stoned: LTS upgrade path is to the next LTS I wouldn't see an issue there today to go from e.g. 12.04 to 14.04
[15:28] <stoned> I see
[15:28] <stoned> I'm on 14 right now
[15:28] <stoned> I  have until '19
[15:29] <stoned> Thanks for the infor link
[15:29] <cpaelzer> stoned: things are around longer than being supported, you just won't get maintenance updates and so slowly but surely become security exposed
[15:29] <stoned> I see
[15:29] <cpaelzer> stoned: yeah you have quite some time left with 14.04
[16:07] <moonpup>
[16:28] <caribou> jgrimm: FYI,I have just uploaded your X &Y multipath-tools SRU
[16:29] <jgrimm> caribou, thank you kindly!
[16:29] <caribou> jgrimm: sorry it took longer than expected,was on PTO part of last week
[16:30] <jgrimm> no worries, i was sprinting, so i didn't have time to verify them
[16:33] <nacc> cpaelzer: need to reboot, will brb
[17:14] <coreycb> ddellav, which ocata packages did you say you're working on. just want to not conflict.
[17:15] <ddellav> coreycb keystone and designate
[17:15] <coreycb> ddellav, ok
[17:15] <coreycb> ddellav, zul, i'll get ceilometer and vmware-nsx
[17:27] <zul> coreycb: ceilometer should be fixed
[17:28] <coreycb> zul, ok thanks
[17:28] <coreycb> zul, gnocchi_resources.yaml?
[17:28] <zul> coreycb: erm...thats new
[17:28] <coreycb> zul, ok I'll get that
[17:29] <zul> coreycb: why is it installing it in /usr/etc?
[17:30] <coreycb> zul, because it used to exist upstream in etc/ceilometer
[17:30] <zul> ah ok
[17:33] <coreycb> zul, ok pushed that and rebuilding
[17:33] <zul> coreycb: ack
[18:19] <zul> ddellav/coreycb: fyi designate is kind of blocked on this https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/#inbox/1583a29d923f5219
[18:20] <sarnold> hrm that url just loads my corporate gmail account, with no email in it..
[18:24] <coreycb> zul, got another link?
[18:25] <zul> coreycb: shit yet
[18:25] <zul> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393839/
[18:27] <coreycb> zul, ok thanks.  did you start on monasca-statsd?
[18:27] <coreycb> zul, I think I remember you saying that but not sure
[18:27] <zul> yeah....im just waiting for a newer version
[18:30] <coreycb> zul, ok
[19:55] <logan-> having some issues getting a dual stack v4/v6 dhcp config working on a xenial interface. it seems like adding "iface ens3 inet6 dhcp" tries to start up a dhclient which conflicts with the v4 dhclient and fails to start.
[19:56] <logan-> so if anyone has had experience getting dhcp6 working on a xenial dual stacked interface i'd be interested to hear how the config looked
[20:04] <sarnold> logan-: curious. that seems worth a bug report
[20:05] <sarnold> logan-: I can't quickly find any example configs with both ipv4 and ipv6 dhcp on one interface
[20:06] <sarnold> logan-: I wonder if you could use the old 'network interface aliases' thing, e.g. ens3:0, ens3:1, etc.. with multiple stanzas, one for ipv4 and one for ipv6?
[20:07] <logan-> I will give it a shot and see
[20:14] <HexicPyth> I just set up a headless Ubuntu serve(16.04) and installed Virtualbox. I'm trying to install the NVIDIA drivers for my GPU so I can run my VM's with 3D hardware acceleration.  I tried installing the regular NVIDIA drivers from the repository and that wasn't enough. I know my issue isn't with virtualbox because on Ubuntu Desktop, 3D acceleration worked fine. Any ideas?
[20:14] <HexicPyth> *server
[20:15] <sarnold> HexicPyth: have you checked all the logs? dmesg and virtualbox logs on the host? dmesg and X11 or whatever on the guests?
[20:16] <HexicPyth> sarnold: I have not yet looked at the logs. All I know is that virtualbox isn't detecting 3D acceleration support. Checking the logs now...
[23:57] <curiousx> Hi! there
[23:57] <curiousx> So, i gotta execute this script and the 'start' parameter at boot time: '/opt/spunky/startscript.sh start'  i added it  into '/etc/rc.local' but no luck, any help ?
[23:58] <sarnold> curiousx: is it executable? is the /opt filesystem mounted at boot time? did you get any error messages logged anywhere?
[23:59] <curiousx> sarnold: Well, i have no idea non of those questions :D
[23:59] <curiousx> It's a VPS, that i just sshing :p
[23:59] <sarnold> curiousx: alright then, first things first, ls -l /etc/rc.local /opt/spunky/startscript.sh


[15:40] <thoams> Hi all! This isn't Ubuntu specific, forgive me. Just learning to use Linux. Suppose I start a program, say gedit, from a terminal . The terminal appears to be tied to the gedit process, and I can't use it again as a terminal until I've closed gedit. Is there a flag or something to get programs to start so that they don't tie up the terminal invoking them?
[16:02] <thoams> Got it! &.


[09:28] <weswh-> so i tried "mount /dev/sda3 /media/firewire", and it says only root can do that. if i sudo that, haven't i accomplished the same thing as before?
[09:28] <ironfroggy_LT> Dr_willis: https is actually crashing cups, so avoiding it at all would very helpful.
[09:29] <Xenol> dr_willis so can u help me somehow?
[09:29] <weswh-> yeah, i just did that - and the files i need still have "lock" icons. the only way i have found around it is kdesu, but like i said, could not copy the files to my home dir
[09:30] <junky> no one....
[09:31] <Xenol> dr_willis :(
[09:31] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  Ive never done a net isntall of ubuntu, ive heard its possible.. check the install docs/wiki pages.. or go buy some cd's :)
[09:32] <Xenol> dr_willis in wat way is alternate method better than desktop and why i can install it from desktop version? :)
[09:33] <julle> does any know an ftp server program that i easily can install through the apt-get install command?
[09:33] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  its faster for me. i awalsy use the alt installcd. it has some other options also
[09:34] <Xenol> dr_willis i am  fucked up cause i cant install it from dekstop and i have googled it whole and also got severals manuals how to install it
[09:35] <junky> k alguen me ayude kon el sonido porfavor...
[09:35] <junky> o algun k me diga algun manual mas para principiantes
[09:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !es
[09:36] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:37] <weswh-> how can i check what the permissions are (who owns) a directory through konsole?
[09:37] <senjin> anyone go too www.rollforlife.se and vote on the pol pleas
[09:38] <der_steppenwolf> hi, how can i see the change log of program versions in kubuntu?
[09:38] <inetpro> Anybody know where ksnapshot is mapped to the PrintScreen button?
[09:38] <Dr_willis> inetpro,  go ask in #kde perhaps
[09:38] <inetpro> will do thanks
[09:40] <Xenol> how can i install kubuntu 6.10 from dekstop cd?
[09:40] <weswh-> ok, i changed the permissions of the mount point for the drive - but it's still being mounted owner - root, and i still can't access the entire drive as a user. (i can access some of it, which is strange) - what's the protocol for mounting a drive for user access? umask=0 seems only to be an option if i were doing this in fstab
[09:41] <Reilithion> Are the tulip or eepro100 ethernet kernel modules included as part of the Kubuntu Live CD?
[09:43] <Dr_willis> should be
[09:44] <Dr_willis> l/drivers/net/eepro100.ko
[09:44] <Dr_willis>   /drivers/net/tulip
[09:44] <Dr_willis> is where they would be if they are there
[09:44] <sickd> hello
[09:44] <Reilithion> Ok, then something weird must be going on.  I can't for the life of me figure out why the interface gets no reply when pinging out.
[09:45] <Dr_willis> ive seen some eepro cards that some how get the wrong module loaded
[09:45] <sickd> how can install the manual pages to work with threads in kubuntu?
[09:45] <sickd> i mean pthreads?
[09:45] <sickd> how can i work with pthreads in kubuntu?
[09:46] <Zappix> okay for those whom were here earlier: The processor didn't work =/
[09:46] <Xenol> how can i install kubuntu 6.10 desktop?
[09:46] <Xenol> i get one message saying isntallation crashed
[09:46] <Zappix> So I retired it for good, and took the thermal paste off by soaking it in bioling water.
[09:46] <Xenol> i have it in paste
[09:47] <Xenol> but can i copy it here?
[09:47] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  if its that huge paste you pasted earlier - it wont help any one to paste it.
[09:47] <mc__> !ati
[09:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <sickd> thanks
[09:47] <sickd> :S
[09:47] <Xenol> dr_willis where else should i ask?
[09:47] <Zappix> Most NVidia drivers are plug and play :D
[09:47] <Zappix> well at least mine are
[09:48] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  forums/wiki, or break down go to the store and buy some blank cd;s and download the alt. installer cd... OR read the installer wiki/pages and learn how to do a net install.
[09:49] <Dr_willis> Dont expect magic  'type  a simple command' answer. You got either somthing really weird with that system.. or some badly burnt cd's
[09:49] <Xenol> dr_willis one question can u tell me why my 20 GB partiotion was formated in less  then 5 mins and 100 GB part didnt even start to format?
[09:49] <Xenol> i dont think it is badly burnt i burnt it with slowest speed possible
[09:50] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  who/what told it to format.. when in doubt do it from the shell.
[09:50] <user_> hello
[09:51] <Xenol> dr_willis i am noob with shell didnt learned it yet :P
[09:51] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  i guess ya got somthing to keep you busy for the next few days then
[09:51] <Xenol> dr_willis telll me
[09:51] <Dr_willis> Tell you what?
[09:51] <user_> what would you prefer to use, provided you have an amd64: linux with amd64 or k7 kernel?
[09:52] <Xenol> if i format that partition before install why TF it start formating from beginning when i try to install it?
[09:52] <user_> re
[09:53] <Xenol> dr_willis any ideas?
[09:54] <Dr_willis> Xenol,  all you really need to do is have the sectionof the drive you want to use 'unallocated'  then let the installer partition/format it.
[09:54] <user_> what about my kernel related question?
[09:54] <Dr_willis> user_,  i use the 32bit kernels. edgy has sort reduced the # of kernel options also.
[09:56] <tenco> hi
[09:56] <tenco> i am unable to start kaffeine
[09:56] <user_> tenco: hi
[09:56] <tenco> it just does nothing, even no output if i start it with --verbose in a konsole
[09:57] <user_> but on ething puzzles me: when i ws using debian sarge my nic and sound card were unsupported, but ubuntu seems to absolutely no problem with that
[09:59] <Dr_willis> user_,  proberly  a newer kernel version being used now
[09:59] <tenco> and there's no kaffeine dir in .kde/share/apps and no config in .kde/share/config
[09:59] <user_> dr_willis: debian sarge includes kernel 2.6.10, but after i installed that one, some of kernel modules were to my surprise gone
[10:00] <Perseid> I was here before. grub keeps giving an error 17 unless I use the Kubuntu boot disk and pick Boot From First Hard Disk. The device.map and menu.lst look right to me.
[10:00] <tenco> dunno what's wrong here with kaffeine :-\
[10:01] <mister009> Hola?
[10:02] <mister009> HI?
[10:03] <Dr_willis> hoedy
[10:03] <sredna> Which video encoder is better (if any), ffmpeg or mencoder?
[10:04] <mister009> mencoder
[10:05] <Zappix> .....how do I open this thing up? D:
[10:05] <Zappix> talking 'bout a pentium P5
[10:05] <inetpro> Dr_willis: i fixed my ksnapshot issue... it's under regional & accesibility and input actions
[10:06] <inetpro> Dr_willis: thanks for the help
[10:07] <user_> have you ever tried qemm97?
[10:07] <user_> it's great, it accounts for 617 kb of conventional memory on my old box
[10:09] <user_> how do i request my kernel version unde ubuntu?
[10:10] <Murchadh> user_, uname -ra
[10:11] <user_> thx
[10:11] <Xenol> dr_willis
[10:11] <Dr_willis> Xenol,
[10:11] <Xenol> i made CD check and it sazs  checksums detected
[10:11] <Xenol> so CD must be ok
[10:11] <Xenol> dont uthni<
[10:11] <Xenol> u think?
[10:11] <Xenol> bah
[10:11] <Xenol> 0 checksums failed
[10:12] <Dr_willis> You mean checksum verified?   sounds right to me then.
[10:12] <Xenol> yeah no defects detected
[10:12] <Xenol> dr_willis so wat u think?
[10:14] <Dr_willis> If youve 'proven' that the cd is good.. then either its your messing witht eh drives befor you install thats the issue.. or you got flakey hardware, or some odd bios/bug happening
[10:16] <user_> what prog is used under debian to calibrate the joystick?
[10:16] <smaggard> i think its joyconfig
[10:16] <user_> i mean teh one connected to the gameport of your soundcard
[10:17] <user_> thx
[10:17] <smaggard> no im jk
[10:18] <smaggard> joystick-config
[10:21] <rance> Im running kubuntu 6.10 Edgy and my kde is having trouble with cd automount on audio cds, data cds are working fine.  When I try to play a cd i get an error telling me I dont have permission to access the device, but I have permission just fine when its a data cd
[10:21] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:21] <smaggard> hi
[10:21] <gan|y|med> how is the package for all the windows codecs called?
[10:21] <kblog> hi, i can not play any dvds
[10:21] <der_steppenwolf>  hi, how can i see the change log of program versions in kubuntu?
[10:21] <kblog> who can help?
[10:22] <smaggard> i think its w32codecs in package handler
[10:22] <gan|y|med> thx
[10:22] <gan|y|med> not in the repo
[10:22] <smaggard> like sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[10:22] <gan|y|med> multiverse is activated
[10:22] <rance> ganly|med: win32-codecs  but due to licenseing its not part of your system, you have to add it by hand
[10:22] <smaggard> google it
[10:23] <smaggard> you will find the server with them on it
[10:23] <gan|y|med> so it is not in multiverse?
[10:23] <rance> its a dep package, but you have to download it yourself
[10:23] <rance> no its not in multiverse, probably never will be either
[10:23] <smaggard> no u dont have to manually download it you have to add the right repository to your sources
[10:24] <smaggard> cuz technically the w32 codecs might be illegal
[10:24] <gan|y|med> i could copy the files in the right place if i weren't that lazy
[10:24] <smaggard> depends on where you r
[10:24] <smaggard> lol
[10:24] <smaggard> i can pastebin u my sources
[10:24] <smaggard> if u want
[10:24] <gan|y|med> let's not get into this discussion. but thx for the hint-
[10:24] <smaggard> im running dapper tho
[10:25] <gan|y|med> i still hate how my websites look in opera. what happened???
[10:25] <rance> I think you want to add the "main restricted" repository and then you can apt-get install win32-codecs
[10:26] <gan|y|med> ok, can you paste your sources.list please
[10:26] <gan|y|med> i hate all this drm propriety stuff. ogg rocks :)
[10:26] <rance> yea: hang on
[10:26] <gan|y|med> thx
[10:27] <gan|y|med> i mean have you ever seen a codec with such a nice name as ogg theora?
[10:27] <gan|y|med> i mean: "mp3"...
[10:27] <rance> gannly|med: mine is for edgy and has universe multiverse, and the restricted, and the opera repositories in it already
[10:27] <gan|y|med> address?
[10:27] <gan|y|med> i think i am missing the restricted
[10:28] <lorrego> botero
[10:29] <rance> ganly|med: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36129/
[10:30] <gan|y|med> there is an opera repo? interesting.
[10:30] <gan|y|med> so i guess you are using opera. anything strange with the border distances when you browse. mine are all squeezed in
[10:31] <xst> After an upgrade, the fonts in emacs became very ugly and non-antialiased. How can I fix that?
[10:31] <rance> I don't really use opera much, I just have it so when I design web sites I can see what it looks like in several different browsers
[10:31] <rance> but I havent seen what you are describing
[10:32] <smaggard> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36131/
[10:33] <smaggard> who put windows is gay in there?
[10:33] <gan|y|med> rance: ok, i have restricted in there. looks pretty much like yours, but i cannot find w32* (update was fine)
[10:33] <LjL> smaggard: whoever made that paste, i suppose... ?
[10:33] <smaggard> ok u got me, it was me :D
[10:34] <smaggard> u should be a detecterive
[10:35] <Dasnipa`> detecterive lol
[10:35] <Dasnipa`> i like it
[10:35] <smaggard> ty
[10:35] <smaggard> now i must go pick up my gf for some hott wild dirty stuff :D
[10:35] <smaggard> bye
[10:36] <rance> I just bet that your Windows is Gay repository is part of the problem
[10:36] <smaggard> well crap im back, the air compressor is broke
[10:38] <gan|y|med> ok, i have done it by hand
[10:38] <gan|y|med> strange what this repo might be... a mysterious one
[10:39] <gan|y|med> ok, i need your help
[10:39] <rance> they work, ive got a wmv file on the machine right now that plays great
[10:39] <gan|y|med> i believe you. i just don't have time for the hassle now. i'll have to look in this later though
[10:40] <gan|y|med> how do i deactive the behaviour that some dirs are considered hidden now?
[10:40] <gan|y|med> even when i am root
[10:40] <rance> I think I downloaded it by hand when I did it first, I found the repo later and added it in case of an update
[10:40] <Dr_willis> !hidden
[10:40] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[10:41] <gan|y|med> works
[10:42] <gan|y|med> thx
[10:42] <rance> glad to hear it
[10:42] <gan|y|med> but i would NOT call this a "feature"
[10:42] <gan|y|med> simplicity != usability
[10:42] <gan|y|med> simplicity = what m$ considers usability
[10:43] <NamShub> gan|y|med: dont worry you aint alone thinking that...
[10:43] <gan|y|med> yes, it will be dropped. happy day
[10:43] <NamShub> ie. its not in the next version
[10:44] <casev01> hi
[10:44] <casev01> someone knows a repo for beryl 1.2?
[10:45] <CaBlGuY> !win32
[10:45] <Dr_willis> i find the feature rather trivial.. :)
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <CaBlGuY> !w32 codecs
[10:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:47] <gan|y|med> thx a lot guys
[10:49] <BluesKaj> !win32codecs
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:49] <LjL> !w32codecs
[10:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:49] <LjL> but anyway
[10:49] <LjL> !seveas
[10:49] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:50] <godzila> halo
[10:51] <godzila> im beginer,can anyone please tell me how to shut down firewall?
[10:52] <LjL> godzila: there is no firewall activated by default
[10:53] <LjL> !pm | godzila
[10:53] <ubotu> godzila: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[10:53] <LjL> !firewall | godzila
[10:53] <ubotu> godzila: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:53] <casev01> beryl is out ?
[10:54] <gan|y|med> i wanna use kmldonkey. do i necessarily need to install mldonker-server (as server points to localhost) or can i just connect to any donkey server on the net?
[10:55] <Dr_willis> install kmldonkey and see if it works.. :)
[10:55] <craftycorner> question...what is right java for Dapper Drake?
[10:55] <Dr_willis> !java
[10:55] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[10:55] <digitalfreedom> the java for linux
[10:55] <Dr_willis>  sun-java5-jre
[10:56] <digitalfreedom> yeah what the doc said
[10:56] <digitalfreedom> i had fits out of it yesterday
[10:57] <digitalfreedom> and i think i messed my repos's up
[10:57] <craftycorner> ebay's a pill about it, I have sun-java5-jre, installing the fonts.  hope that works
[10:57] <Dr_willis> !swat
[10:57] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:57] <craftycorner> everyt ime I try to get live help from ebay, they send me to a page with download choices
[10:57] <tommy_> hmm
[10:57] <gan|y|med> hi Dr_willis
[10:57] <tommy_> adept keeps at waiting for header downloads 99%
[10:57] <tommy_> what can i do ?
[10:58] <gan|y|med> no it doesn't- says no connection to server
[10:58] <digitalfreedom> you on cli tommy?
[10:58] <CaBlGuY> !xine
[10:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:58] <tommy_> digitalfreedom: what is cli ?
[10:58] <digitalfreedom> command line interface
[10:58] <B-Minus> digitalfreedom: no
[10:58] <digitalfreedom> on a konsole
[10:58] <craftycorner> um, I can give you the list of the choices ebay's inflicting
[10:59] <B-Minus> digitalfreedom: im using adept
[10:59] <mc__> tommy:  common language interface
[10:59] <B-Minus> adept manager
[10:59] <B-Minus> ok
[10:59] <digitalfreedom> try this apt-get update from konsole
[10:59] <B-Minus> ok tnx
[10:59] <digitalfreedom> langiuage line same thing
[10:59] <digitalfreedom> i like it
[11:00] <B-Minus> it does the same
[11:00] <gan|y|med> ok, there is no mlnet. so i guess i have to install mldonker-server
[11:00] <craftycorner> http://java.com
[11:00] <B-Minus> maybe i have bad repositeries
[11:00] <B-Minus> can that be
[11:00] <B-Minus> cause i just installed edgy
[11:00] <craftycorner> edgy's got some problems
[11:00] <B-Minus> i deleted my whole windows, this laptop is gonna be linux only
[11:00] <digitalfreedom> i better check mine
[11:00] <craftycorner> can you tell me what offerings won't give my machine a spazz
[11:00] <B-Minus> hmmz
[11:01] <B-Minus> there was a tool that creates sources.list automaticaly
[11:01] <B-Minus> or not
[11:01] <CaBlGuY> !flash 9
[11:01] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[11:01] <craftycorner> hello?
[11:01] <NamShub> !backports
[11:01] <craftycorner> there we go, still recieving
[11:01] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:01] <CaBlGuY> !backports
[11:01] <digitalfreedom> B-Minus: good for you on the laptop
[11:02] <casev01> !beryl
[11:02] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:02] <B-Minus> digitalfreedom: funny thing is, today i installed vista on it, i couldnt stand it for 1 hour
[11:02] <B-Minus> so deleted the whole thing
[11:02] <digitalfreedom> lol
[11:02] <craftycorner> vista is bull
[11:02] <B-Minus> but now my sources.list wont load :ss
[11:03] <digitalfreedom> pm me B and ill help you from there if i can
[11:03] <B-Minus> strange cause it worked perfectly before i reinstalled the whole thing
[11:03] <craftycorner> save to disc?
[11:04] <craftycorner> gotta go
[11:04] <Schuenemann> I clicked on some "share" or "applet" stuff and now I have icon close to the trash can, with the "new server" only option. How can I get rid of this?
[11:05] <Schuenemann> an icon*
[11:05] <Schuenemann> "public file server" is the name
[11:11] <Dr_willis> right cliock on it look at its menus
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, right clock on it and choose quit
[11:11] <Dr_willis> Logical eh?
[11:12] <Schuenemann> the only option is "new server"
[11:12] <Schuenemann> if I click on the panel arrow says "remove public server file", but won't that just take it from the panel?
[11:13] <Schuenemann> how can I know if that server is running?
[11:13] <digitalfreedom> the panle menu should give you an option to remove and application
[11:13] <digitalfreedom> an*
[11:14] <Schuenemann> move, remove, about, help... but even the trash can has that, so I suppose it's not related to that server itself
[11:15] <Schuenemann> the application name seems to be kpf
[11:17] <SupremeBeing> what's the trick for a successful update to edgy?   Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:21] <Schuenemann> !kpf
[11:21] <ubotu> kpf: public fileserver for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 193 kB, installed size 628 kB
[11:23] <dejan> hello everyone
[11:23] <weswh-> anyone know some cool 3d things i could use to flex my graphics card a little? preferably a really good music visualization - i've been playing with the libvisual plugins for amarok, and frankly they aren't very cool
[11:23] <weswh-> ideally there'd be some separate app. that looked at the total mix out of the system
[11:23] <weswh-> so it wasn't linked to an app
[11:25] <dejan> does anyone recommend 64bit kubuntu
[11:26] <adz21c> dejan: not been a problem for me really
[11:26] <adz21c> dejan: well except one thing which isn't major, but i could have swarn i red somewhere it happened on 32bit as well but its more of an annoyance than a problem
[11:27] <jimmy_> whats better please ubuntu kubuntu or eduntu?
[11:28] <dejan> adz21c: i want to be able to use flash and I had a few problems with flash other than that everything was good
[11:28] <diego> hola
[11:28] <adz21c> dejan: well yes flash is an issue, but 2 ways of solving that ... install firefox 32bit or i managed to get flash working under konqueror x64
[11:28] <scrocco> usually you just have to copy one file to the right directory, dejan
[11:28] <scrocco> hi all - are DVD-R discs written by K3b supposed to be readable on apple systems? I add Rock Ridge , Joliet extension and UDF structures , but they look empty on 2 ibooks (they work well on my box)
[11:29] <dejan> jimmy_: i think they are all the same, they only thing diffrent is only minor
[11:29] <Schuenemann> why flash is still version 7 for linux? this sucks
[11:29] <adz21c> nope, 9 beta is out
[11:29] <Schuenemann> I can't see videos in youtube
[11:29] <scrocco> there's 9beta, Schuenemann
[11:29] <scrocco> yout ube works with it
[11:30] <jimmy_> thanks
[11:30] <Schuenemann> when I go to the adobe site and click "download flash player", 7 is the one it shows me
[11:30] <adz21c> yea well cos 9 is beta u have to go get it urself
[11:32] <scrocco> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[11:32] <scrocco> pick "Download Installer for Linux "
[11:32] <weswh-> jimmy - i prefer kubuntu. there is also xubuntu. the only difference is the desktop environment
[11:32] <Schuenemann> so version 8 was never released?
[11:33] <spamer> b
[11:33] <spamer> g
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <dejan> so you recommend 64bit linux, is it easy to upgrade or is it going to be a fresh install
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <scrocco> Schuenemann:  right. never
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <weswh-> www.gnome.org, www.kde.org, www.xfce.org - whichever you like best, go with that version of ubuntu
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <Schuenemann>  /ignore spamer
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <jimmy_> go to ass spamer
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <adz21c> dejan: well its not been a problem for me since i used it, and i would imagine its fresh install
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <adz21c> Schuenemann: yea basically
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:33] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <dejan> i have i586 version of kubuntu
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <Schuenemann> scrocco: is this beta version ok?
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <BluesKaj> does anyone have the ability or right to ban or kick this jerk
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <adz21c> dejan: any reason u want x64?
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj: well, you have the ability to ignore :D
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> cc
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <dejan> well i have a 64bit system so why not
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <B-Minus> kick ?
[11:34] <_kuja_> spamer needs to be glined, as far as I'm concerned
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <dejan> how do you stop this spamer
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:34] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <Schuenemann> type /ignore spamer
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <_kuja_> /ignore spamer
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <Schuenemann> since no one can ban hi
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <adz21c> dejan: yea thats my basic philosophy lol but I don't think you will gain much extra ... if anything
[11:35] <Schuenemann> him*
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <_kuja_> Hmm, sh**
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <scrocco> [11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <spamer> cc
[11:35] <spamer> c
[11:35] <jimmy_> leo but spamer i know your ip <IP_ADDRESS> you get virus or worms ok lamer?
[11:35] <adz21c> dejan: personally i would wait till I was next ready to do a fresh install, but for me, I always used x64 version of distros
[11:35] <spamer> fg
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <scrocco> [11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <scrocco> this is a human
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <scrocco> you are very clever, spamer
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <scrocco> go for it, _kuja_
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <dejan> just add the spamer to you ignore list
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:36] <spamer> dd
[11:36] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> dd
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <Schuenemann> nah... he deserves to die
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <spamer> d
[11:37] <Fragrag> Why are there no mods?
[11:37] <dejan> if he wants to sit in from of his comp with one hand on c and the other getting of then thats his delema
[11:37] <scrocco> which is the correct mask to use? a simple "/ignore spamer" doesn't work
[11:37] <spamer> jajaja
[11:37] <LjL> !ops
[11:37] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[11:38] <jimmy_> he isnt spamer his name is leo
[11:38] <BluesKaj> yup, copy and paste this into the server entry box :  /ignore spamer
[11:38] <Schuenemann> thanks
[11:38] <scrocco> thanks to the mods
[11:38] <BluesKaj> thanks Hawkwind
[11:38] <Schuenemann> scrocco: are you using konversation?
[11:38] <nalioth> woops
[11:38] <scrocco> no, xchat
[11:38] <dejan> no to your ignore list, right click on the left hand side where all the users are and select ignore, he will not shw up in the dialog anymore
[11:38] <LjL> perhaps set mode +t Hawkwind
[11:38] <Schuenemann> ahh... might be diferent in xchat
[11:38] <scrocco> oh right, thx
[11:38] <LjL> he's been changing the topic
[11:38] <scrocco> are DVD-R discs written by K3b supposed to be readable on apple systems? I add Rock Ridge , Joliet extension and UDF structures , but they look empty on 2 ibooks (they work well on my box)
[11:38] <dejan> yep Konversation
[11:39] <BluesKaj> he's gone
[11:39] <Schuenemann> they are supposed to be readable anywhere
[11:39] <jimmy_> hele lidi je tady nkdo z eska?
[11:39] <LjL> !cz | jimmy_
[11:39] <ubotu> jimmy_: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[11:40] <Schuenemann> !pt
[11:40] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:40] <Schuenemann> nice
[11:40] <weswh-> so it seems flash 9 will be along soon enough. that's good
[11:40] <weswh-> i figured they wouldn't let linux rot too badly
[11:40] <BluesKaj> hehe  not quite Schuenemann
[11:40] <adz21c> so i read they also might do x64 on v9
[11:40] <dejan> are there any chat sites for programmers
[11:41] <dejan> or are there any here
[11:41] <Schuenemann> what do you need?
[11:41] <bun_tun_dun> hi. somebody here have made an authentication against samba PDC work?
[11:41] <_kuja_> freenode is a programmers haven, as far AFAIK
[11:41] <CaBlGuY> !flash9
[11:41] <dejan> just general advise, on packages for certain librarys
[11:41] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[11:41] <BluesKaj> there's gotta be a command line chat somewhere for them ...most don't GUI's
[11:41] <BluesKaj> irssi !
[11:42] <BluesKaj> flash is tricky tho ...it may not install in your browser
[11:42] <weswh-> dejan - for programmers? freenode has channels for almost any language you can think of
[11:42] <LjL> Schuenemann, scrocco, _kuja_, jimmy_, BluesKaj: when this sort of thing happens, please *do* type !ops to get the operators' attention. use that command only in emergencies, but in emergencies, do use it.
[11:42] <weswh-> !backports
[11:42] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:43] <Schuenemann> flash 7 worked here, I followed their walkthrough
[11:43] <BluesKaj> ok LjL will do , thx
[11:43] <Dheeraj_k>  funny isn't it? http://thakur.dheeraj.googlepages.com/windows.JPG
[11:43] <Schuenemann> ok
[11:44] <phobiac> How can I find out the name of my wireless card? I've switched from using GNOME to KDE and GNOME used to have a Device Database that told me about all my hardware, I can't find anything like that for KDE. :(
[11:44] <BluesKaj> has anyone tried to install flash 9 ?
[11:44] <Schuenemann> I am deciding if I should try
[11:45] <phobiac> I've put flash 9 on my laptop. All I use it for is the firefox plugin though.
[11:45] <_kuja_> blueskaj, I've been using it since they released the first beta .....
[11:45] <Schuenemann> is it ok?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> _kuja_, in ff
[11:45] <BluesKaj> ?
[11:45] <phobiac> It works pretty well, the only issue I've had is that flv movies (Like YouTube) will stop playing for me every once in a while.
[11:45] <_kuja_> For the most part. it has issues with it covering up other things in the window, at least in Opera, and I think FF too.
 yeah
 i downloaded its binary file from adobe's web site
[11:46] <_kuja_> labs.adobe.com
[11:46] <Schuenemann> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[11:46] <Dheeraj_k> !flash
[11:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:46] <Schuenemann> here?
[11:47] <phobiac> !wireless card
[11:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireless card - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <BluesKaj> well, the flasf vers i have now works well and i had real "time" setting it up right. I think I'll wait :)
[11:47] <Dheeraj_k> !wifi
[11:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:47] <Schuenemann> which is it?
[11:47] <_kuja_> ah, another useful link.... http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[11:47] <phobiac> Ah, thanks
[11:48] <CaBlGuY> someone in here told me about a flash 9 for linux link the other day..   it was without addin anything to your repos or any stuff like that, straight DL and install..
[11:48] <CaBlGuY> anyone know of that?
[11:48] <Schuenemann> _kuja_: do I have to remove the flash 7 I installed previously?
[11:48] <_kuja_> Flash 9 is a single file that you put in the plugins folder. libflashplayer.so
[11:48] <_kuja_> Schuenmann, I'd recommend it.
[11:49] <Schuenemann> how to do  that?
[11:49] <Dheeraj_k> well u can install it using installer http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b2_installer_linuxplugin
[11:49] <obsethryl> ok...
[11:50] <aleksanteri> hey what's your favorite feature in kubuntu?
[11:50] <obsethryl> are there any differences between ubuntu and kubuntu
[11:50] <Schuenemann> kubuntu uses KDE
[11:50] <obsethryl> i want a gnome - free environment
[11:50] <Schuenemann> ubuntu uses gnome
[11:50] <obsethryl> i mean like I do not even WANT gtk apps
[11:50] <obsethryl> isn't the package manager based on gtk
[11:51] <_kuja_> Which package manager?
[11:51] <Schuenemann> I don't know... I'm quite new here
[11:51] <aleksanteri> oh
[11:51] <dejan> ericsson
[11:51] <_kuja_> aleksanteri: katapult :)
[11:52] <aleksanteri> i'd say the look of it
[11:53] <aleksanteri> kubuntu has cwl appearance
[11:53] <ubuntu> hi
[11:53] <ubuntu> I have a problem
[11:53] <_kuja_> 'ello
[11:53] <Schuenemann> !katapult
[11:53] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[11:53] <ubuntu> I need help
[11:54] <_kuja_> That happens a lot in support channels, it seems
[11:54] <obsethryl> _kuja_: the interface for all the nice .deb files
[11:54] <aleksanteri> :O katapult's cwl
[11:54] <_kuja_> Adept?
[11:54] <_kuja_> It's either pyqt, or pykde, I forget which
[11:55] <_kuja_> And that's if I'm remember right at all.
[11:55] <CaBlGuY> wheres the plugins folder for mozilla at?
[11:55] <CaBlGuY> the defualt install place..
[11:55] <Schuenemann> ~/.mozilla/something
[11:55] <ubuntu> how I can repair a damage file in my filesystem? apt or dpkg can reinstall a damaged files in my system
[11:55] <CaBlGuY> and if I can't find ~   ??
[11:55] <_kuja_> wait, nope, c++/qt/kde
[11:56] <aleksanteri> search for "mozilla" and then navigate the plugins folder in it i think
[11:56] <Schuenemann> ~/.mozilla/firefox/(nameOfProfile)/extensions
[11:56] <ubuntu> can apt or dpkg check the integrity of the installed files ??
[11:56] <mathiouzz> erh excuse me but could someone help me to solve my problem : all the dvd i try to burn with K3B or brasero fail
[11:56] <mathiouzz> with that message
[11:56] <mathiouzz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36104/
[11:56] <Schuenemann> CaBlGuY: ~ is the home directory
[11:56] <ubuntu> any can help me ?
[11:56] <Schuenemann>  /home/user_name
[11:56] <aleksanteri> !ultraiso
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ultraiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <aleksanteri> bah
[11:56] <aleksanteri> try ultraiso
[11:57] <_kuja_> ubuntulog: it checks the md5s of the *.debs after it downloads them
[11:57] <CaBlGuY> Schuenemann: then I need to browse it in root, cuase only thig in /home is my user folder..  nothin else..
[11:57] <aleksanteri> mathiouzz: http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html <-- shareware, but i guess you need it only this one time :P
[11:58] <mathiouzz> ?
[11:58] <Schuenemann> CaBlGuY: so, it's in that folder
[11:58] <mathiouzz> what i wanted to say
[11:58] <obsethryl> _kuja_: excellent
[11:58] <CaBlGuY> Schuenemann:  ummmmm  what folder???   :-O
[11:58] <mathiouzz> is that even if i change programs
[11:58] <Schuenemann>  /home/user_name/.mozilla/profile_name/extensions
[11:58] <mathiouzz> i always get crashes
[11:58] <aleksanteri> ohh
[11:58] <mathiouzz> so i think it's a problem of infrastructure
[11:59] <aleksanteri> then i guess it's the hardware
[11:59] <Schuenemann> the user folder
[11:59] <mathiouzz> don't u think ?
[11:59] <mathiouzz> yep that's what i'm thinking too
[11:59] <aleksanteri> get a new burner
[11:59] <mathiouzz> but how can you solve that ?
[11:59] <CaBlGuY> Schuenemann:  nope, not in there..
[11:59] <aleksanteri> solve what?
[11:59] <CaBlGuY> :/
[11:59] <mathiouzz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36104/
[11:59] <mathiouzz> that error message
[11:59] <Schuenemann> CaBlGuY: the directory is hidden
[12:00] <CaBlGuY> Schuenemann:  really???  what ever gave ya that idea...   :p
[12:00] <aleksanteri> mathiouzz: i think it relates to the burner as well
[12:00] <aleksanteri> because it really doesn't do anything
[12:00] <aleksanteri> no successes at all
[12:00] <Schuenemann> CaBlGuY: you're kidding me, right?
[12:00] <aleksanteri> so it's the burner
[12:00] <mathiouzz> hmm not sure
[12:00] <mathiouzz> as it burns dvd's on windows
[12:00] <mathiouzz> it's not a problem of hardware
[12:00] <mathiouzz> but i think it's a linux problem
[12:01] <aleksanteri> mathiouzz: what do you mean?
[12:01] <mathiouzz> as i can burn dvd's on windows
[12:01] <CaBlGuY> Schuenemann:  Ummmm  no....   I aint no freakin Linux Gawd...   I'm good enough to install it but that's about it..  I need help installin all the additional stuff..   so, that's why I'm here..
[12:01] <mathiouzz> and all the programs i use to burn dvd's onlinux crash
[12:01] <aleksanteri> well
[12:01] <mathiouzz> i think it's a problem of linux
[12:01] <mathiouzz> no ?
[12:01] <aleksanteri> redownload the iso then
[12:01] <mathiouzz> i tested the md5sum
[12:01] <mathiouzz> they correspound perfectly
[12:01] <Schuenemann> CaBlGuY: .mozilla is hidden, every directory/file that starts with a point is hidden
[12:02] <cuco> any packages for mailody in edgy? i did not find in the default repositories
[12:02] <aleksanteri> i am clueless now...
[12:02] <CaBlGuY> Schuenemann:  ok...  so,  how do I acces it then??
[12:02] <_kuja_> cuco, I really doubt it, not with something as new as it
[12:02] <mathiouzz> so to resume : it's not a problem of iso , it's not a problem of program and it's not a problem of hardware
[12:02] <Schuenemann> you're using konqueror or the shell?
[12:02] <mathiouzz> so it's probably a problem of kernel or sumthin like that no ?
[12:03] <aleksanteri> no it can't be the kernel
[12:03] <notech> aleksanteri: try different media, it may be bad
[12:03] <Schuenemann> click view > show hidden files
[12:03] <aleksanteri> notech: ???
[12:03] <mathiouzz> well i tried different medias
[12:03] <mathiouzz> verbatim dvd's and other dvd-rw
[12:03] <mathiouzz> both crash
[12:03] <mathiouzz> and succesfully burn on windows !
[12:03] <Schuenemann> maybe the dvd is protected?
[12:03] <mathiouzz> what's the problem :S
[12:04] <aleksanteri> the dvd
[12:04] <mathiouzz> protection is patched :P
[12:04] <notech> crash as in what?
[12:04] <mathiouzz> k3b , brasero all crash
[12:04] <aleksanteri> the dvd might be malfunctioned or somtething like that
[12:04] <notech> i missed the beginning of this
[12:04] <mathiouzz> i destroyed 7 dvd
[12:04] <mathiouzz> take a look at my paste
[12:04] <mathiouzz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36104/
[12:05] <mathiouzz> when k3b fails in the middle of the burning
[12:05] <mathiouzz> ok a dvd with bad media ok
[12:05] <notech> try cleaning the drive
[12:05] <mathiouzz> 2 dvd's bad ok
[12:05] <aleksanteri> yeah
[12:05] <mathiouzz> but 7
[12:05] <aleksanteri> :|
[12:05] <aleksanteri> so it's not the dvd
[12:05] <mathiouzz> but i told you that the drive was clean and it doesn't crash on windows
[12:05] <notech> mathiouzz: i had some sitting here for like 6 months and they all went bad
[12:06] <mathiouzz> erf :S
[12:06] <_kuja_> mathiouzz: Try burning with a different version of growisofs
[12:06] <mathiouzz> yep but it crashed on a dvd-rw
[12:06] <notech> if you have another linux system then md5summ the dvd
[12:06] <night|away> mathiouzz did you check the md5sum of the image
[12:06] <mathiouzz> yep night
[12:07] <CaBlGuY> ok. got it..  now..
[12:07] <aleksanteri> mathiouzz: perhaps you could order a ready-burned dvd?
[12:07] <mathiouzz> is there an automatized way to install another version of growisofs ?
[12:07] <_kuja_> not really, but it should be painless.
[12:07] <mathiouzz> it's not only a problem of 1 dvd
[12:07] <Murrlin> I can't seem to add the 15-26.686 restricted modules in adept. nothing happens when I 'request install'
[12:07] <mathiouzz> it's a problem that my burner is quite new and it crashes on linux
[12:08] <aleksanteri> so what are you burning now?
[12:08] <mathiouzz> i'm gonna try another version of growisofs
[12:08] <notech> check for a firmware update?
[12:08] <_kuja_> mathiouzz, are you using dapper or edgy?
[12:08] <Murrlin> do I need to be running the 26 image to do this?
[12:08] <mathiouzz> edgy
[12:08] <mathiouzz> erh not a bad idea checking for a firmware update
[12:08] <_kuja_> Hm, should be up to date, try to find an older version.
[12:08] <mathiouzz> i've got an amd64 but as i had a lot of problems with some programs i use now edgy i386
[12:09] <mathiouzz> everything works unless burning
[12:09] <mathiouzz> now i've got a few clues
[12:09] <mathiouzz> firmware upgrade
[12:09] <mathiouzz> growisofs
[12:09] <mathiouzz> thanks for your help guys
[12:09] <mathiouzz> ;)
[12:09] <mathiouzz> gotta go to sleep now :S
[12:10] <mathiouzz> good night all
[12:10] <aleksanteri> bye
[12:10] <mathiouzz> ++
[12:10] <_kuja_> Did burning work with amd64? Sometimes, though rarely, obscure hardware problems pop up when using i386 on an amd64/emt64 system
[12:10] <CaBlGuY> !java
[12:10] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:12] <Schuenemann> !jdk
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jdk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <Perseid> OK. I am desperate now. I reinstalled Kubuntu to see if it would correct my grub config and now when I boot all I get is the command line
[12:13] <aleksanteri> type login


[16:39] <troyready> Anyone ordered their Ubuntu Edge yet?
[16:43] <akk> I'll happy help beta-test if somebody wants to give me one. :)
[23:09] <Obi1> ghello
[23:10] <Obi1> any one here


[05:48] <provokedprawn> hi guys
[05:48] <provokedprawn> i tried for about 30mins trying to get VNC to work on ubuntu studio
[05:49] <provokedprawn> no luck. installed tighvnc , remmina, allowed openssh in ufw but still cannot connect. what could be the issue?
[05:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> provokedprawn: Try asking in #ubuntu for that type of question.
[08:08] <Ploppz> Hmm someone said, regarding my issues with Studio Control, that the cause seems to be the existence of /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so. They thought it was part of the Cadence package and that I could get rid of it by uninstalling Cadence. But (recall I'm using Arch Linux) I use pacman -Qo /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so which tells me which package that owns that file. It's actually the `jack2` package. And as such I
[08:08] <Ploppz> would like to ask you: Is this thus something specific to the way Arch Linux packages jack2, which maybe makes it incompatible with Studio Controls?
[08:13] <n4dir> not much help, but for your info: i got jack_firewire.so too, though  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/jack/
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> Ploppz: We _cannot_ support an Arch Linux package here. This is for Ubuntu Studio only. We also _cannot_ support Cadence or Studio Controls if Cadence has been installed. I hate to do this, but you're 100% on your own with this.
[22:24] <Ploppz> Understood. I'm going back to cadence but the latest question was just to potentially help arch Linux toward compatibility with studio controls
[22:25] <Ploppz> But I'll take the discussion over to arch linux
[23:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> ploppz: We are OK with issue reports on https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls.
[23:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> But that's not an Ubuntu Studio-specific thing since, while OvenWerks is part of the Ubuntu Studio team, it's an upstream project.