[00:11] <Casper26> c
[00:11] <Casper26> ec
[00:15] <Gallomimia> what's the difference between connecting a BT device as a headset versus a handsfree?
[00:20] <Gallomimia> what. i removed the discord snap and installed the discord-bartixxx snap. now i have two discords.
[00:20] <Gallomimia> they both open separately
[00:25] <Gallomimia> how do i know which is which
[00:25] <Gallomimia> or just remove it twice/
[00:27] <Gallomimia> in light of how goofy snaps are... i think we need to allow swearing in this channel :(
[00:45] <miu5> hi, all of a sudden i am getting error in firefox while activating flash on sites:  "this plugin is vulnerable and should be updated" Packages on Ubuntu 18.04 are all up to date. When i check the plugin, the version of shockwave player is <IP_ADDRESS> and the newer version is <IP_ADDRESS>.  Can anyone help explain this sudden red error outdated version since April 30 ?
[01:11] <Gallomimia> seems to me that 192 is lower than 207 and you should update
[01:11] <Gallomimia> it's not a package in ubuntu. it's a plugin inside firefox
[01:13] <shpx> hey, was dos2unix removed in 19.04?
[01:15] <dax> shpx: no, it's still in the universe repository, same as usual
[01:15] <shpx> but I thought it used to be preinstalled
[01:15] <shpx> that's what I meant
[01:16] <dax> nope
[01:16] <shpx> it was never preinstalled?
[01:16] <shpx> huh
[01:16] <shpx> thanks
[01:17] <miu5> Gallomimia, how would i update it inside firefox? ive never had to update shockwave player inside firefox.
[01:19] <Gallomimia> i'm not sure. i avoid flash like the plague. cause it is.
[01:20] <Gallomimia> but, in the top right of your ffx window, there's 3 lines. pick Addons from that menu
[01:26] <miu5> Gallomimia, are you saying i dont need it though?
[01:27] <hggdh> miu5: no, we are saying that flash is a known source of problems. It is continuously abused for malware
[01:28] <usney> what's a good laptop that supports kernel virtualization?
[01:28] <miu5> yes i am well aware about that hggdh but what im asking is, DO i need shockwave player, or not? is everything run with html5 nowadays can i remove shockwave player?
[01:29] <hggdh> some sites still use flash. You can remove it, but YMMV. I do not use it, and accept that sometimes I will not be able to have the full "experience"
[01:35] <miu5> would this have something to do with the current message? https://helpx.adobe.com/shockwave/shockwave-end-of-life-faq.html
[01:35] <miu5> or current version error i am getting
[01:38] <BenderRodriguez> miu5
[01:40] <miu5> ?
[01:43] <deltab> miu5: as I understand it that's a different technology with a confusingly similar name
[01:45] <miu5> deltab, On the other hand i have no idea why i have shockwave player in firefox on ubuntu.   Is there something else i can replace it with to use for flash sites?
[01:47] <miu5> After doing sudo apt install adobe-flashplugin in ubuntu, i have confirmed that shockwave flashplayer appears in firefox.   So doing this on a test VM it shows the same old version, but no complaint about the version being outdated.  Which is weird why its doing it all of a sudden on my browser.
[01:49] <deltab> miu5: does it actually say "shockwave player"? because I think that's a different thing
[01:50] <miu5> sorry it says Shockwave Flash.  And thats the version thats showing outdated.
[01:52] <miu5> ok this is the issue i am having exactly !   https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=192510#p997914
[01:53] <miu5> local repo of ubuntu says i have latest, but firefox says i have outdated. all of a sudden today
[01:54] <deltab> what version does it say is latest?
[01:54] <Bashing-om> miu5: Up2date ? As I got FF updates this day.
[01:54] <miu5> https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/ latest is  <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:55] <deltab> is that the version you have installed?
[01:55] <miu5> Bashing-om, yes up to date.. unless i must change to different update server?
[01:55] <miu5> no, on mine it says  <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:55] <deltab> so it's not up to date
[01:56] <miu5> and even on a test VM, i did from scratch
[01:56] <miu5> it is.. according to the distro
[01:56] <deltab> then the distro has an outdated version
[01:57] <miu5> Yes, so basically.. this is the package being outdated on Ubuntu 18.04 ??  should i report this?
[01:57] <deltab> it's not uncommon for a distro to lag behind the upstream version
[01:58] <deltab> what version of adobe-flashplugin do you have installed?
[01:58] <miu5> adobe-flashplugin:
[01:58] <miu5>   Installed: 1:20190514.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:01] <Bashing-om> nickware: ^ that is the latest I show " Candidate: 1:20190514.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> " .
[02:03] <miu5> yes and so does it say here: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ if you check linux 64bit. and download and open with software center, it is that version as well!   However i get flash complaining on sites that version is outdated. which it is clearly. but linux distro is behind on the package updates.
[02:04] <miu5> i wonder when <IP_ADDRESS> came out
[02:05] <Gallomimia> lol. remember when version 1 came out, and we played with the flash author tools, and then version 4 came out and we were all "such bloatware..."
 NOW it's secure"
[02:10] <deltab> I would recommend turning it off completely, but you said "while activating flash on sites", so presumably you're still using it?
[02:11] <miu5> deltab, ok which means its recent, but not on the repo. Do you contact adobe for this issue?  I can deactivate it for now. but i do need it for some sites at some point.
[02:11] <deltab> adobe can't do anything about the repo
[02:12] <deltab> unless the package is from their own repo
[02:12] <tomreyn> it's from canonicals' partner repo
[02:12] <tomreyn> that's the repository adobe points ubuntu users to as well
[02:12] <miu5> so where exactly do you post this bug/issue ?
[02:13] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure, let's see if we can find out
[02:14] <Gallomimia> it's a repo?
[02:14] <Gallomimia> i thought you download some file and insert it into the browser's plugins
[02:14] <Gallomimia> well. shows what i know. i guess i've never actually used flash on linux
[02:15] <miu5> nope.. only after you install package adobe-flashplugin, will shockwave flash appear in firefox.
[02:15] <miu5> and yes its a repo.
[02:16] <miu5> but very hard to find this package.
[02:16] <ZeZu> vlc flickers webpage behind it through (randomly || every few seconds) : disco w. current updates
[02:16] <ZeZu> i'm too lazy to report it anywhere and no one is going to care anyhow so : i told someone :)
[02:17] <ZeZu> s/anywhere/anywhere else
[02:18] <Gallomimia> i been having a few odd flickers too yes
[02:18] <miu5> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=adobe-flashplugin
[02:18] <miu5> Sorry, your search gave no results
[02:18] <miu5> lol
[02:18] <Gallomimia> 11 days ago is very odd to find packages not maintained for that long
[02:18] <miu5> yeah exactly my point
[02:19] <miu5> and why is it not found under https://packages.ubuntu.com/   ??
[02:19] <Gallomimia> i think someone said it's not an official repo. it's a partner repo
[02:19] <miu5> ok
[02:22] <miu5> i have to go right now, but il be back later. deltab hope you be on later.
[02:23] <ZeZu> isn't it flashplugin-* or pepperflash* now?
[02:24] <ZeZu> guess it doesn't matter if he's gone anyhow,  i'd assume he'd have already tried that
[02:28] <tomreyn> Gallomimia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Enabling_Canonical_Partner_Repositories
[02:31] <ZeZu> Update: it's not only webpage that flash through vlc
[02:31] <ZeZu> prob a known bug since vlc undoubtedly just uses xv or something
[02:43] <tomreyn> there is package "pepperflashplugin-nonfree" (from the Ubuntu multiverse repository) for the "PPAPI" web browser plugin interface chrome / chromium provide, and there is package adobe-flashplugin (from the canonical-partner repository) for the "NPAPI" web browser plugin interface firefox provides.
[02:45] <tomreyn> the caonoical-partner repository does currently provides flash player version <IP_ADDRESS> in the CODENAME-proposed pocket only.
[02:48]  * ZeZu yawns
[02:48] <ZeZu> I thought flash died years ago
[02:49] <dax> it's been deprecated and getting removed bit by bit from the ecosystem for years. the final EOL is the end of 2020
[02:49] <ZeZu> It's persist like herpes for another decade prob tho
[02:50] <dax> dunno. i haven't had it installed for a decade and don't ever notice it being a problem
[02:50] <ZeZu> I haven't noticed it for ages either,  even on windows i think chrome has it set to ask to even run it these days
[02:51] <dax> yup. the last third-party stuff that needed flash at work migrated away from it when chrome did that
[02:51] <dax> and starting next month, chrome's disabling it completely by default and requiring a settings change to run it, soooo
[02:51] <ZeZu> good
[03:13] <quixotic42> Howdy folks. Anyone else having trouble getting .NET3.5 + monodevelop working on 18.04?
[03:13] <quixotic42> I've gone through a deep dark hole, feel like I may have broken everything now :|
[03:18] <leftyfb> quixotic42: you'll have to contact support for that
[03:18] <leftyfb> Microsoft support
[03:19] <quixotic42> Haha. They're kind of the reason I went to linux in the first place :) Thanks.
[03:20] <leftyfb> quixotic42: right, but Ubuntu does not develop or manage the packages for .net3.5
[03:20] <quixotic42> I think I need to read like a primer on the apt / package system, or synaptic/software updater. It all goes smoothly until I need an old version of something
[03:21] <quixotic42> No no, you're right about that. This is entirely a user problem when it comes to package management.
[03:22] <ZeZu> o.O
[03:22] <ZeZu> there are literally prob hundreds of primers on using apt
[03:22] <tomreyn> !latest | we usually tell this those who ask for very new version, but it also provides context possibly useful in your situation, quixotic42
[03:23] <ZeZu> I'm assuming you didn't have an issue installing monodevelop
[03:23] <ZeZu> but you have issues with a certain .net 'assembly' ?
[03:24] <tomreyn> quixotic42: actually this wasn't as useful as i was thinking, sorry.
[03:25] <quixotic42> The newer versions of monodevelop don't support 3.5, so I'm attempting to backport to 3.12. But the repo doesn't really go back that far for 18.04
[03:25] <ZeZu> are we talking actual .net runtime or mono ?
[03:25] <quixotic42> Mono.
[03:25] <ZeZu> well then it's not something to ask MS anyhow
[03:26] <ZeZu> nothing to do with them other than they came up with the api
[03:26] <quixotic42> So.... I edited sources.list.d to go back to a 3.12 snapshot, but I'm worried at a certain point I'm just copy-pasting crap off the internet.
[03:26] <ZeZu> be like trying to call them about wine support
[03:26] <quixotic42> Should I be using a different tool, or digging into how apt works better?
[03:27] <ZeZu> I have no clue how you edited the sources list ,  so idk,  nor do i have a clue about monodevelop tbh
[03:27] <ZeZu> Either something is in the repo,  or in a ppa and versioned so you can get what you want : or it's not
[03:27] <ZeZu> and then you make sure to purge it all , and download a binary package or the source
[03:28] <ZeZu> s/package/installer || flatpak || whatever else in binary form
[03:28] <ZeZu> I'm more curious to why an updated monodevelop would backpedal ?
[03:28] <ZeZu> and not handle 3.5?
[03:29] <ZeZu> doesn't seem like anything to do w. monodevelop itself
[03:29] <ZeZu> ( which is an IDE iirc ? )
[03:31] <tomreyn> quixotic42: ^
[03:39] <quixotic42> Meh.  Installing an older working version of Mono absolutely isn't worth it :) Thanks/Sorry.
[03:41] <ZeZu> lol don't be,  if you want to get into development cross platform I'd suggest something else
[03:41] <ZeZu> Qt is my preference,  but c++ isn't to everyones liking
[03:42] <ZeZu> either way,  you have to expect issues in things like this
[03:42] <ZeZu> linux is certainly not without it's pitfalls
[03:42] <ZeZu> much less trying to run .net , albeit through mono
[03:43] <ZeZu> s/run/develop for [on linux]
[03:46] <quixotic42> Yeah, I do a language similiar to Java in IntelliJ for work. Love it. There was something I saw broken in a C#/.NET thing, but it's annoying me less than the steps to a solution now.
[03:49] <ZeZu> :P
[03:50] <quixotic42> Oy. The newfound approachability of linux distros allows for people like me to stay ignorant.
[04:45] <jessequinn> hi guys, i just installed a custom kernel with acso using the following script (https://gist.github.com/mdPlusPlus/031ec2dac2295c9aaf1fc0b0e808e21a). Everything went well, but when i boot nvidia drivers are not loading. I tried to reinstall, but dkms fails to install the 418.56 driver on kernel 5.1.14. How can i get this working? Is the problem the kernel version?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> jessequinn: we dont really support the use of own compiled kernels, use !mainline instead
[04:47] <jessequinn> well i need the acso patch.
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> jessequinn: if something isnt working on ubuntu, with an official kernel, consider filing a new !bug
[04:48] <jessequinn> it isnt about it not working. the acso patch allows me to group my immo properly so that i can do a gpu passthrough.
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> i understand jessequinn but once you edit kernels, we cant official support you anymore
[04:49] <jessequinn> i see.
[05:15] <jmnoz> It would be nice if Ubuntu supported (insert my favorite backup program here (restic)) in the GUI
[05:17] <jmnoz> if only for the notifications
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: there's a restic snap if you like
[05:18] <jmnoz> I mean it would be cool if the default backup program could be replaced with restic so I would get notifications on my log in screen if backups are okay
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: make a !bug wishlist if you like
[05:19] <jmnoz> lotuspsychje: good idea thanks
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: paste the bug # here after, so we can change it to a wish
[05:22] <gde33> what would be the cause of my chrome browser not displaying colorful unicode symbols?
[05:22] <leonardus> How do I check if Steam is installed through snap?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: df -h
[05:23] <leonardus> `df -h | grep steam` isn't showing anything
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: df -h
[05:25] <jmnoz> lotuspsychje: should I file it on ubuntu unity?
[05:25] <jmnoz> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/unity/+filebug ?
[05:25] <jmnoz> !bug
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: when you file a bug, please use ubuntu-bug packagename from terminal
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: this way it can add relevant info into your bug
[05:26] <Bashing-om> leonardus: what shows ' snap list ' ?
[05:28] <leonardus> not steam
[05:28] <jmnoz> I used ubuntu-bug unity and I believe it sent a bug report but I didn't get to add anything afaict
[05:29] <SoItBegins> I’m trying to install this package:
[05:29] <SoItBegins> https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/python3-venv
[05:29] <SoItBegins> My Ubuntu box has no internet connection, so I’ll download the files and ship them in on a USB drive.
[05:30] <SoItBegins> My question is, how do I find out what architecture I’m using so I can download the right version? When I do uname -m I get “x86_64”.
[05:31] <Bashing-om> SoItBegins: x86_64 == 64 bit .
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: do you want your backup program only on 16.04?
[05:31] <SoItBegins> Bashing-om: Yep. So am I amd64, arm64, or one of the other ones listed (armhf, ppc64el, s390x)? About the only thing I’m sure of is that I’m not i386.
[05:32] <jmnoz> jmnoz: 16.04? no I use 19.04, 18.04 and later
[05:32] <Bashing-om> SoItBegins: 'demidecode' relates lots of info.
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: thats not what i asked
[05:34] <jmnoz> I want my backup program on as many versions as possible, sorry I don't understand
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> jmnoz: if your wish is to add it on all versions, better ubuntu-bug linux-image then
[05:38] <SoItBegins> Bashing-om: Well, I’m running an intel processor (Intel . And I learned more about what it can do than I ever thought I could know.
[05:38] <SoItBegins> Bashing-om: *(Intel Core i5-3470)
[05:40] <Bashing-om> SoItBegins: So your Architecture target is AMD64 - (AMD cause they hold the patent on 64 bit).
[05:40] <SoItBegins> Bashing-om: Got it! Thank you.
[05:51] <SoItBegins> I’m trying to install the python-3.7-venv package. But it depends on itself! What gives?!
[05:53] <SoItBegins> EDIT: I was trying to install python-3-venv, which depends on python-3.7-venv. Reading comprehension!
[05:53] <Bashing-om> !info python-3.7-venv disco | SoItBegins
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> SoItBegins: apt-cache search package, to find packages you want to install
[05:54] <SoItBegins> lotuspsychje: Little problem: The ubuntu target machine has no internet connection. I need to get everything (incl. dependencies) ready and bring it across on a USB.
[05:54] <SoItBegins> I’m really just trying to install pip, is all.
[05:54] <SoItBegins> So that I can install some python modules.
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> SoItBegins: add your install media to software&sources
[05:55] <SoItBegins> lotuspsychje: What install media?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> SoItBegins: your usb/dvd you used to install ubuntu
[05:55] <SoItBegins> I erased the USB drive that had the Ubuntu 19.04 image so I could use it to transfer files normally
[05:56] <SoItBegins> (Yeah, I know.)
[05:56] <SoItBegins> I have the ISO on my other computer, so I can always re-write it later if need be
[05:57] <SoItBegins> Ironically, the whole point of all this python runaround is so that I can install the third-party ‘apt-offline’ tool and install packages freely thereafter
[06:25] <CoolerX> hey how to enable screen reader in firefox/chrome?
[06:25] <CoolerX> do i have to enable it for the entire os?
[07:30] <HEX0> do ubuntu repos provide flatpak?
[07:32] <_KaszpiR_> no
[07:32] <_KaszpiR_> you need to install it on your own
[07:33] <ducasse> !info flatpak
[07:35] <ducasse> HEX0: ^^
[07:37] <HEX0> I'm not on ubuntu, but I figured it let you know considering your multilib future, that you can install steam and playonlinux via flatpak on pure 64 bit system and both of them work
[07:49] <rebab> How to fix "error attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'" error? I can't boot.
[07:54] <blackflow> rebab: you asked that question yesterday, TJ- helped you and the situation was that your disk has died and you need full disk replacement.
[07:54] <blackflow> so why are you here now asking the original question as if none of that happened
[07:57] <EriC^^> rebab: if you want a 2nd opinion, boot a live usb and le tme know when you're in the try ubuntu dekstop
[08:00] <rebab> EriC^^: I am already in the try ubuntu desktop.
[08:12] <rebab> EriC^^: Hello?
[08:14] <gofio> does ubuntu give birthday presents?
[08:14] <blackflow> yes, twice a year.
[08:15] <gofio> I'm looking documentation about RES and ubuntu
[08:15] <gofio> blackflow: you sure those are presents?
[08:17] <gofio> https://askubuntu.com/questions/176001/what-do-virt-res-and-shr-mean-in-the-top-command
[08:19] <gofio> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/top.1.html
[08:19] <blackflow> !ask | gofio: please stop with that. if you have a specific ubuntu related support question, then
[08:20] <gofio> thanks for answering my question (must have been telepathy cuz I did not typed it)
[08:21] <gofio> I was wondering, how is this going down hill this fast :?
[08:22] <gofio> and there you go
[08:23] <gofio> and yeap will keep my log for myself, at #gofio, thanks
[08:23] <gofio> my birthday present
[08:30] <gofio> quite impressive watching gnome-shell on top of % memory and cpu usage in htop even with spotify and firefox running, both heavy users. Looks like a 2007 intel core duo is not best for it
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> gofio: this is not the rant channel, please only ubuntu support questions
[08:31] <cfhowlett> be aware that such behavior also leads to people testing out the /ignore nick           command which renders you completely invisible.
[08:33] <gofio> don't you worry lotuspsychje already given up on that. As matter of fact wished could have figured out already or have the time to how the ignore function works in smuxi, a double one it seems, or else I would not be writing this right now. For antisocial: press 2
[08:33] <gofio> no need here. Comes as default
[08:46] <basalt> hey, what kind of username password safe are you using? i need one where the source file is located in google drive, and can be reached easy. thx
[08:51] <Ultron> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/steam-announces-that-its-dropping-support-for-ubuntu ...
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Ultron
[09:20] <SoItBegins> Hey, I’m using apt-offline to install packages, but I see a very large and obvious pitfall coming my way.
[09:21] <SoItBegins> The internet-connected machine I have is a Mac. So, BSD, basically.
[09:21] <blackflow> "The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing of its existence!" -- Thufir Hawat, mentat.
[09:22] <SoItBegins> Is this going to be a problem?
[09:22] <SoItBegins> Thanks, blackflow.
[09:23] <EriC^^> i wouldnt jump to conclusions
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> SoItBegins: dont you have a cable to run updates?
[09:23] <gofio> mental traps included?
[09:23] <cfhowlett> shouldn't be.  I used the off-line tools on a windows machine at my library and it worked great.
[09:24] <SoItBegins> lotuspsychje: No. The machine is about 30 foot away from the router, I don’t have that much Ethernet cable and it’d be a trip hazard, and I have no USB wireless adapter to attach.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> gofio: ##linux is open, dont you need to go tell your life there?
[09:24] <SoItBegins> The machine also doesn’t have a bluetooth card, so internet sharing over bluetooth is out.
[09:24] <gofio> lotuspsychje: nag now got #bots to tell them
[09:25] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: what packages do you want to install? if they arent too many you can just download the deb files and their dependencies
[09:25] <EriC^^> and use dpkg -i /path/to/debfile to install
[09:25] <SoItBegins> Well, to start with, apt-offline-gui XD
[09:25] <SoItBegins> But after that, I figured I’d install the dolphin emulator:
[09:26] <EriC^^> whats the package name and whats your distro
[09:26] <SoItBegins> https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=Installing_Dolphin#Ubuntu
[09:26] <EriC^^> !Info dolphin-emu
[09:26] <SoItBegins> “dolphin-emu”, has a specific repository.
[09:26] <EriC^^> ah
[09:26] <SoItBegins> It emulates the Nintendo GameCube.
[09:27] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: i think if you make some internet connection possibly bia wifi that'd be pretty cool
[09:27] <SoItBegins> EriC^^: I’d love to, but the machine doesn’t have a wifi card.
[09:28] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: or maybe you could buy one of those ethernet via electricity wire/power outlet, i want to get me one
[09:28] <SoItBegins> Hahahahaha XD Good one.
[09:28] <EriC^^> no wires around the house etc and very fast
[09:28] <EriC^^> um its not a joke :D though it sounds like it i guess
[09:28] <SoItBegins> I know PoE is real, but I’m not gonna remodel my house for this!
[09:29] <EriC^^> it doesnt take remodeling of house!
[09:29] <EriC^^> do you not have a power outlet near the router and power outlet near the offline pc already? :/
[09:30] <gofio> EriC^^: you know any RES (RES stands for the resident size) on ubuntu documentation could point me to? wondering who's responsible for it as I've tested both in firefox and chromium and same thing happens in both. tia
[09:31] <SoItBegins> EriC^^: Look, I’m not going to do ethernet over power. I don’t have the gear for it. I could also buy 30-60’ of ethernet cable and run it along the baseboards - I already did that for another comp in the house! But it’d be more trouble than I care to deal with.
[09:31] <EriC^^> no idea gofio
[09:31] <gofio> EriC^^: thanks
[09:32] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: ok fine, it was just a suggestion
[09:32] <SoItBegins> [thumbs up] Thanks~
[09:35] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: if you have another pc that has ubuntu you can connect online you can possibly use aptoncd to transfer stuff
[09:35] <SoItBegins> EriC^^: I’m planning to use apt-offline to transfer stuff using my Mac
[09:36] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: does it work with mac? or you'd need a live usb i guess?
[09:36] <SoItBegins> EriC^^: I don’t know. That’s what I asked a few minutes ago. I guess I’ll find out.
[09:36] <SoItBegins> It’s written in python, at least, so there’s a good chance.
[09:37] <EriC^^> i think it does, the info page mentions it even works with windows
[09:39] <EriC^^> SoItBegins: i think you'd have to manually update the package list of the offline pc though
[09:39] <SoItBegins> EriC^^: apt-offline does that, too.
[09:39] <EriC^^> i mean to do manually what apt-get update would do after you add the ppa
[09:39] <SoItBegins> I actually have to run it twice, actually:
[09:39] <SoItBegins> Once to update the system’s package lists (‘cause they’re empty right now, it’s a fresh Ubuntu install)
[09:39] <EriC^^> aha pretty cool
[09:40] <SoItBegins> and once to actually get the whatever I want to install.
[09:51] <miu5> deltab, did you by any chance find out anything about where to report issues for adobe-flashplugin ?
[09:51] <SoItBegins> apt-offline appears to work without install (I think) on macOS.
[09:56] <SoItBegins> Hey, can a Ubuntu system hibernate like a windows PC?
[09:58] <mouses> SoItBegins: sure
[09:58] <mouses> SoItBegins: it just depends on the ACPI setup and user configuration, of course
[09:58] <SoItBegins> Hooooo. I just got a screenload of what MAY have been ACPI errors. Gonna test this.
[09:59] <mouses> SoItBegins: generally a good rule of thumb is google the exact system type + ubuntu + hibernate
[09:59] <mouses> and if any tweaks are needed, you'll find them
[10:00] <SoItBegins> Nnnnnope. I’m running on a Dell Optiplex and it looks like Hibernate doesn’t work in this circumstance.
[10:01] <SoItBegins> I’ll just shut it down when I’m not using it.
[10:02] <SoItBegins> (The machine blinks its power light when it’s asleep. It’s quite obnoxious.)
[10:06] <mouses> SoItBegins: tape over the light :)
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> miu5: whats happening?
[10:09] <miu5> lotuspsychje, all of a sudden i am getting error in firefox while activating flash on sites:  "this plugin is vulnerable and should be updated" Packages on Ubuntu 18.04 are all up to date. When i check the plugin, the version of shockwave Flash is <IP_ADDRESS> and the newer version on Adobe is <IP_ADDRESS>.  Adobe Flash updated its latest version 11 days ago but not canonical's repo
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> !latest | miu5
[10:11] <miu5> lotuspsychje, i know that. But there is something wrong with this. This has nothing to do with stability. as i am getting those errors on sites.
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> miu5: uname -a && lsb_release -a please?
[10:12] <kostkon> miu5, i've got <IP_ADDRESS> over here on 16.04
[10:13] <miu5> lotuspsychje, Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[10:13] <gofio> EriC^^: you know any alternative to this line "sudo sync && sudo sysctl -w vm.drop_caches=3
[10:13] <gofio> vm.drop_caches = 3" to try to reduce (whatever the term) ram memory used ? tia
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> miu5: kernel version?
[10:13] <kostkon> miu5, apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer
[10:13] <miu5> Linux SNIPER 4.15.0-52-generic
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[10:14] <miu5> kostkon, thats weird
[10:14] <miu5> adobe-flashplugin:
[10:14] <miu5>   Installed: 1:20190514.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> miu5: mine is also 207 on 18.04
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | miu5 doublecheck please?
[10:14] <miu5> lotuspsychje, do you have some sort of ppa? because i have updated my packages
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> miu5: no ppa's here
[10:15] <miu5> lotuspsychje, i have done dist-upgrade and all.
[10:15] <miu5> lotuspsychje, wait. is this the package you checked adobe-flashplugin:  ??
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> miu5: read the command above? you didnt forget full-upgrade or so?
[10:16] <miu5> i tried full-upgrade.. theres nothing to upgrade
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> miu5: flashplugin-installer
[10:17] <miu5> no.. lotuspsychje apparently since the beginning.. adobe-flashplugin was supposed to be for 64bit Linux and flashplugin-installer for 32bit or was supposed to fall away. i have always had adobe-flashplugin
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> !info adobe-flashplugin bionic
[10:18] <miu5> its only now that im having this issue. has something changed. and what is the actual difference now.
[10:19] <miu5> because its part of canonical repo
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> miu5: just install flashplugin-installer, if you need flash
[10:21] <miu5> Then what happened to adobe-flashplugin  ?
[10:37] <cyberalex4life> Hi guys, Are there some keyboard shortcuts hard-coded? I am trying to disable <Super>F1 (Ubuntu Desktop Guide) or <Control><Super>Shift>e (don't see it anywhere)
[10:38] <cyberalex4life> I am on Ubuntu 19.04
[10:52] <_raven_> hi
[10:54] <_raven_> ubunu 18.04 with gnome3 and 4.15.0-51-generic on an intel atom z36xxx platform and egalax tablet touchscreen: how to install drivers for backlight settings? xbacklight does not show anything, fn keys no effect, xorg intel settings tried without success so far
[12:23] <andes> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my HTPC. After the installation is done and I restart my HTPC, after post it just shows a black screen with blinking cursor
[12:23] <andes> Any idea what can I do to fix it?
[12:31] <EriC^^> andes: try to edit the kernel line in grub removing quiet splash and put "debug ignore_loglevel"
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:39] <andes> EriC^^: I think this might have something to do with raid.. I have 2x 128gb SSDs in raid0
[12:39] <andes> trying to install ubuntu there
[12:40] <blackflow> SSDs in RAID0. That's gonna end up well :)
[12:40] <andes> tbh I've had them in raid0 since 2009
[12:40] <andes> i guess i should do some lottery
[12:41] <blackflow> andes: sure, and store the only copy of the ticket on that raid, let murphy's law, irony and fate do the rest :)
[12:43] <andes> blackflow: nah, just OS for my HTPC is there, nothing else
[12:47] <blackflow> andes: hey, your data, your time ;) you seem to understand so you'll hear from me no more.
[12:51] <whitehatjelly> Mornin' Fellow Linux Users
[12:51] <nixonix> andes: perhaps take the # off from the line WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm/custom.conf - aka disable wayland
[12:54] <coz_> whitehatjelly, hey guy
[13:01] <andes> blackflow: ;)
[13:01] <andes> nixonix: thanks ill try
[13:49] <m15k> Anyone have an example for referencing an svg icon in a .desktop file? Simple referencing seems not to work.
[13:59] <TJ-> m15k: are you using an absolute path in the Icon= statement?
[14:00] <m15k> TJ-: Yes.
[14:01] <m15k> I wonder if it's supported to use just an svg file...
[14:01] <TJ-> m15k: Yes
[14:06] <Lantizia> I normally comment out in /lib/udev/rules.d/97-hid2hci.rules a line that reads.... ATTR{idVendor}=="0a12|0458|05ac", ATTR{idProduct}=="1000", RUN+="hid2hci --method=csr --devpath=%p"
[14:06] <Lantizia> Can I somehow override this with my own rule... which somehow states *not* to follow that rule - with a new file in /lib or /etc ?
[14:07] <Lantizia> as the original file is managed by ubuntu packaging
[14:10] <TJ-> Lantizia: see "man udev" and the RULES FILES paragraph on priority
[14:11] <Lantizia> right i know that those files override each other and in what order
[14:11] <Lantizia> but i just want that one rule
[14:11] <Lantizia> or rather... line
[14:12] <Lantizia> e.g. if match idVendor 05ac then don't run anything
[14:12] <Lantizia> despite the rule file still being there
[14:12] <Lantizia> but all the other lines in that rule still apply
[14:14] <eraserpencil1> usb problems?
[14:14] <Lantizia> no just whoever wrote the udev rules in debian/ubuntu is very presumptuous :)
[14:15] <Lantizia> this device can operate in two modes and I don't it to flip mode
[14:16] <eraserpencil1> what was the presumption?
[14:16] <Lantizia> it'll sound silly :)
[14:17] <eraserpencil1> awww i'm recently working with udev rules so my interest is piqued
[14:18] <Lantizia> well a DBT-120 is a very old D-Link bluetooth dongle.  It's mainly sought after now as it act as a HIDProxy
[14:18] <Lantizia> in other words a machine things it's a mouse/keyboard and not a bluetooth device - but you can swap it into being a bluetooth device, re-arrange what is paired - and swap back if you like
[14:18] <Lantizia> it has a memory
[14:19] <Lantizia> but since it's bluetooth 1.1 - it's not like i'm interested in it showing up as a bluetooth device at all - i have way better bluetooth on the machine
[14:20] <Lantizia> that line above swaps it into being a bluetooth device - something you can run manually if you really want it
[14:24] <eraserpencil1> what line?
[14:24] <eraserpencil1> i think i walked in late
[14:25] <Lantizia> I normally comment out in /lib/udev/rules.d/97-hid2hci.rules a line that reads.... ATTR{idVendor}=="0a12|0458|05ac", ATTR{idProduct}=="1000", RUN+="hid2hci --method=csr --devpath=%p"
[14:30] <Lantizia> I kind of want a .... ATTR{idVendor}=="0a12", ATTR{idProduct}=="1000", DO NOTHING
[14:30] <Lantizia> and for that line to be a higher priority to adhere to more than that single line in that larger rule
[14:32] <TJ-> Lantizia: you cannot override single matches within a rules file, so you'd need to make your own copy with amendments placed in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[14:32] <Lantizia> TJ-, that's what I'd feared was the situation
[14:32] <Lantizia> that's pretty crummy
[14:34] <TJ-> Lantizia: there used to be a LAST_ACTION but that was dropped many years ago because it caused more problems and confusion than not having it
[14:35] <Lantizia> TJ-, do you know if udev finds a match ... if it keeps on reading?  e.g. if that file is 97- and i made a 99- which matches it and did something stupid like ran  nologin or something that did nothing - would it continue on to 97- ?
[14:35] <Lantizia> oh i think you just answered me :D
[14:36] <TJ-> Lantizia: as far as a I recall (I used to be heavily into udev) all rules that match will be processed across all files. The only way to deal with it inside a single rules file is with labels and GOTO to step over the unwanted rule
[14:36] <mintux> i've installed ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS and install open ssh 7.6p1 but when i try to ssh from my client it stuck in debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY and no connected. i search a lot and change mtu but no success
[14:36] <Lantizia> which means overriding the whole rule file anyway
[14:37] <mintux> any solution ?
[14:37] <mintux> i just can connect with vnc to server not ssh
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> mintux: is openssh-server installed on the other machine?
[14:38] <mintux> MonkeyDust: absolutely
[14:39] <nixonix> heres a few possible solutions: https://serverfault.com/questions/210408/cannot-ssh-debug1-expecting-ssh2-msg-kex-dh-gex-reply
[14:39] <mintux> i copy ssh log : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PfHnhnNBJr/
[14:41] <TJ-> Lantizia: more elegant that commenting out, would be this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/84CCQ9Wd3m/
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> mintux: maybe an iptables issue? ... sudo ufw disable
[14:42] <TJ-> mintux: the client and server key algorithms do not match
[14:42] <TJ-> mintux: lines  29 and 30
[14:43] <eraserpencil1> TJ-: Lantizia: I learned something new today
[14:46] <Lantizia> TJ-, so duplicate it as 97-hid2hci.2.rules and keep it in /lib?  just have it goto the label at the end
[14:46] <Lantizia> thought putting stuff in /lib is frowned on
[14:46] <eraserpencil1> Is it possible to reduce key delay/interval in certain programmes? Im wondering why i dont observe it in games but everywhere else it's there
[14:46] <TJ-> Lantizia: no, copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d/
[14:47] <TJ-> Lantizia: the modified version under /etc/
[14:47] <Lantizia> will a file in /etc called "97-hid2hci.2.rules" mean that "97-hid2hci.rules" in /lib isn't read at all then?
[14:47] <Lantizia> i thought it had to be exactly the same name
[14:48] <TJ-> Lantizia: oh... don't use mine literally; I copied the file to /tmp/ to generate the diff!
[14:48] <TJ-> Lantizia: your files will have identical names
[14:48] <Lantizia> oh i see :)
[14:48] <Lantizia> well there really isn't much difference to commenting it out then - only i guess your way meant it woudln't affect stuff with idvendor 0458 and 05ac :D
[14:49] <TJ-> Lantizia: precisely; it's specific to the requirement
[14:49] <Lantizia> i'll just a sed one liner to copy the file and remove the 0a12 bit
[14:50] <Lantizia> shame about LAST_ACTION
[14:50] <Lantizia> or something similar
[14:50] <Lantizia> i know there is the argument of "oh but you could hang yourself"
[14:51] <Lantizia> well, what can't you hang yourself on when opening a terminal/tty in linux land? :D
[14:51] <jeremy31> Lantizia: https://projectgus.com/2014/09/blacklisting-a-single-usb-device-from-linux/
[14:51] <mintux> TJ-: so what is solution ?
[14:51] <Lantizia> jeremy31, wrong topic
[14:51] <mintux> debug1: kex: algorithm: curve25519-sha256
[14:51] <mintux> debug1: kex: host key algorithm: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256
[14:52] <DanielPowerNL> I have a T480s with Ubuntu 18.04. The volume on this laptop is extremely quiet on Linux (tried Ubuntu and Arch), compared to Windows. I was hoping to try a newer build of ALSA in hopes that the issue has been resolved, but it seems the ALSA daily packages have been failing to build for Ubuntu 18.04 for quite some time, and I'm not sure how to find the latest build that succeeded, since LaunchPad doesn't have
[14:52] <DanielPowerNL> a very user friendly interface. Would someone be able to assist me in finding the latest successful ALSA build for Ubuntu 18.04?
[14:52] <DanielPowerNL> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/alsa-daily/+packages
[14:52] <TJ-> mintux: configure both client and server to used the same KEX algorithms
[14:52] <mintux> like this: KexAlgorithms ecdsa-sha2-nistp256
[14:52] <mintux> ?
[14:53] <DanielPowerNL> If I click "8367 successful" to go to the page that lists successful builds, and then click on a build for 18.04, it takes me to the code page for that build, which does not include a deb package. From that page, if I click the binary build link, it takes me to a new page saying the build had failed. So short of trial and error clicking through every single build until I find one that succeeded, what are my
[14:53] <DanielPowerNL> options here?
[14:54] <Lantizia> thanks TJ- - you've at least confirmed there isn't any better answer :D
[14:54] <TJ-> mintux: something like that; you'd have to check the man-pages to be sure. In normal circumstances the operator wouldn't be over-riding the KEX, so it is an unusual scenario to start with (there are several KEX algos both sides should offer by default)
[14:54] <DanielPowerNL> The information on the Ubuntu wiki is unhelpful, since it simply tells me to download the latest build, which I cannot. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS
[14:57] <mintux> TJ-: i can ssh to server from another server but in my client i cant
[15:01] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: the FTBFS is due to kernels post 2018-05 use struct_size() which isn't in the 4.4 kernel used to build on 18.04
[15:04] <k_sze> hmm, /usr/bin/xhost doesn't quite work for detecting whether I'm in a graphical desktop session when I run it inside tmux over ssh.
[15:04] <DanielPowerNL> TJ-: I'm on 18.04.2 with kernel 4.18. Is there no way I can install daily ALSA? Or at least a newer version than is included? I don't even know if it will solve my issue, but I'd like to try.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> DanielPowerNL, what's your actual alsa issue?
[15:09] <DanielPowerNL> BluesKaj, I'm on a T480s, and the volume from speakers is very quiet, even when at 100%. The volume was much louder on Windows. I found a similar issue on the RedHat bug tracker with the T570, which was solved in an ALSA update, so I'm hoping the issue on the T480s has also been solved with an ALSA update.
[15:10] <DanielPowerNL> I've found several other threads on Reddit and various bug trackers of people with the same issue as me, but nobody with a solution as of yet.
[15:11] <DanielPowerNL> I did find one person who solved the issue by literally replacing their speakers with speakers from a MacBook, but I'm not ready to go that far just yet, haha.
[15:11] <BluesKaj> DanielPowerNL, using pulseaudio ? if so check the audio output volume in pavucontrol
[15:11] <DanielPowerNL> BluesKaj, volume is at 100% in Pavucontrol.
[15:12] <BluesKaj> try 120%
[15:12] <BluesKaj> \or higher
[15:14] <BluesKaj> DanielPowerNL, I assume your audio volctls in alsmixer are up to 100% as well
[15:14] <DanielPowerNL> BluesKaj, 150% is about the same as the max volume on Windows. I'm just realizing there's an option in the sound settings to allow over-amplification and then I can go over 100% in the menubar.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[15:14] <DanielPowerNL> So that pretty much solves the problem.
[15:15] <DanielPowerNL> I didn't have that option when I was on Xfce, and was frustrated that I had to open pavucontrol every time to increase volume more than 100%
[15:15] <DanielPowerNL> Thanks! :)
[15:16] <DanielPowerNL> It seems that the speakers are capable of more than ALSA expects, since 150% amplification works fine with no distortion or clipping.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> DanielPowerNL, if the input audio is lower than normal 150% isn't actaully really loud since the input vol has to drive the amp so the output is actually much lower in reality
[15:18] <BluesKaj> just raises the noise floor somewaht
[15:18] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: have you playedwith alsamixer ?
[15:19] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: your description of it being quiet makes me think if the amplifier on the line-out/speaker output is turned off when it sohuuld be on
[15:20] <DanielPowerNL> TJ- In alsamixer, the only options I have for playback are Master, Speaker, and PCM. All are on 100%
[15:20] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: there's no options for an amplifier at all? hmmm
[15:21] <BluesKaj> DanielPowerNL, try F5 in alsamixer look for line (out)
[15:21] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: so, that suggests the kernel may be getting pinctl settings wrong since Windows is fine
[15:22] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: can you show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[15:22] <DanielPowerNL> TJ-: I have Master, Headphone, Speaker, PCM, Mic Boost, Mic Boost, S/PDIF, Capture, Autom-Mut, Internal, Internal. There are 5 of S/PDIF
[15:23] <BluesKaj> what about automute, is it disabled?
[15:23] <DanielPowerNL> TJ- One moment on the pastbin
[15:24] <DanielPowerNL> BluesKaj, Auto-Mute is enabled. But it doesn't have any effect on audio output when I disable it. It's related to my microphone I think.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> nope it's related to all audio outs
[15:24] <DanielPowerNL> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6WMW3YrZRS/
[15:26] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: do headphones work correctly?
[15:26] <DanielPowerNL> TJ-, yes, headphones are quite loud.
[15:27] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: I'm starting by looking at lines 1017 onwards, where the device is configured
[15:28] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: an important detail there is the codec name, ALC257, since that is what is being configured. It may need a quirk for your model of PC: MI: LENOVO 20L8S0ER00/20L8S0ER00, BIOS N22ET53W
[15:31] <DanielPowerNL> I can live with the solution of amplifying above 100%
[15:32] <DanielPowerNL> I really appreciate your help with this!
[15:35] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: I may have something; remind me of the Lenovo model?
[15:39] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: this ALC257 is actually a variant, along with many others, of the ALC269. That makes me wonder if there are subtle differences between the variations and the common config doesn't 'know' about the ALC257 output quietness
[15:43] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: can you show "pastebinit <( lspci -nn )"
[16:16] <jmnoz> is there a good alternative to supervisord?
[16:17] <OerHeks> ubuntu used systemd
[16:17] <OerHeks> c/uses
[16:39] <miu5> deltab, you there?
[16:42] <miu5> i found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/49298/whats-the-difference-between-flashplugin-installer-and-adobe-flashplugin and then i see the packages here http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/?C=M;O=D for adobe-flashplayer there are later ones than "Installed: 1:20190514.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>" however ubuntu repo does not have later than that..
[16:42] <miu5> can anyone tell me why this is?
[16:44] <xamithan> Why what,  that package maintainers don't instantly update to the latest version ?
[16:46] <miu5> xamithan, ive been getting errors on the plugin in firefox when visiting flash sites because of too old of shockwave Flash.   How is 10 to 11 days delay called "instantly" ? something else is wrong.
[16:47] <xamithan> Well they have to go into the proposed repository,  then tested,  then bugs fixed (if any) then marked for stable release
[16:48] <miu5> xamithan, surely if its here http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/?C=M;O=D, that means its it should be in the repo, no?
[16:48] <miu5> if the latest version is there.. which it is. http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/?C=M;O=D
[16:49] <miu5> i mean adobe-flashplugin_20190611.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb
[16:49] <xamithan> Just because it's on that one link doesn't mean its in multiverse repo
[16:55] <deltab> miu5: your system may not be configured to use that repo
[16:56] <miu5> deltab, it is though. its enabled.
[16:56] <miu5> hang on, if you do apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin on your system do you see 20190611 version ?
[16:56] <deltab> your system's catalogue of what's in the repo may be outdated
[16:57] <deltab> miu5: it lists no versions installed and no versions available
[16:58] <miu5> .. because you havent enabled multiverse?
[16:59] <deltab> I guess
[16:59] <deltab> not needed it so far
[16:59] <DanielPowerNL> TJ-, sorry for disappearing there, here is the output of lspci -nn http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RF8MZRgDXv/
[17:00] <miu5> i have tried this on 2 other VM's and it yields the same result. i dont think thats the issue.  i think that its not in multiverse repo yet as xamithan pointed out.
[17:00] <xamithan> Wait so you have the adobe-flashplugin repo installed AND you have the proposed enabled ?
[17:00] <xamithan> I see the 06 version listed as proposed here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin
[17:00] <deltab> I downloaded the last tarball from http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ and it has <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:01] <xamithan> If you already got the repo done,  and you want a proposed package from there,  you'll have to enable it
[17:01] <miu5> xamithan, i dont have proposed enabled.
[17:02] <miu5> xamithan, its probably in testing stage i guess as you said.
[17:02] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: and "pastebinit <( alsa-info --stdout )"
[17:04] <miu5> thanks for your help
[17:04] <deltab> miu5: it would seem you have two options: use a version that hasn't yet made it through ubuntu's testing stage, or stop using flash until it has
[17:04] <miu5> yeah. i think il wait.
[17:04] <miu5> and stop using it.
[17:05] <miu5> Ive noticed if you disable shockwave flash on firefox, that on some sites it automatically then uses html5 to play videos. however is it possible to enable shockwave flash and have those sites use html5 anyway?
[17:06] <miu5> and use shockwave flash for certain sites only?
[17:06] <DanielPowerNL> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8dy5FvTmVs/
[17:06] <DanielPowerNL> And it's a Thinkpad T480s
[17:07] <deltab> miu5: I think that depends on how the site is written; e.g. for youtube you can configure it at https://youtube.com/html5
[17:07] <xamithan> There might be browser extensions for that.  I know there is one that forces &html5=1 on the end of youtube urls to make it load html5
[17:08] <miu5> hmm ok, thanks
[17:08] <xamithan> That would really be site-dependent though
[17:09] <deltab> maybe a browser extension could alter which plugins a site sees as available., I don't know
[17:09] <xamithan> User agent switcher to make it look like you are on an apple device would do it,  heh
[17:10] <miu5> xamithan, yes that sounds like it could work
[17:13] <miu5> lol xamithan nope that doesnt work.
[17:14] <xamithan> Even an ipad?
[17:14] <xamithan> Those don't flash
[17:15] <xamithan> iphone probably too but would give you mobile versions of sites
[17:16] <miu5> well theres only an option for iOS, and that just widens the screen on any browser but still uses flash instead of html5
[17:17] <TJ-> DanielPowerNL: cannot see anything obvious there. However, looking at the kernel source-code the codec is configured based on so-called 'BIOS' settings (firmware ACPI). In view of that I'd recommend trying the acpi_osi workaround: https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[17:17] <xamithan> Yeah you got to add your own user agents to it
[18:10] <Gallomimia> having some pretty serious boot problems lately. don't know what's wrong. i suspect the intel-microcode update is gumming things up.
[18:10] <Gallomimia> first of all, the bios tells me there was a boot failure. every. single. time. gives me the option to reset the bios and boot. reset the bios and enter the bios. or enter the bios.
[18:11] <Gallomimia> if i ever find who wrote that little feature i'm definitely cutting their fingers off
[18:11] <OerHeks> sounds like an empty battery, it no longer holds the stored data
[18:11] <Gallomimia> oh? that's a real possibility
[18:12] <OerHeks> after editing bios, and have the machine powered on for an hour, does reboot give the same result?
[18:12] <Gallomimia> i don't edit the bios
[18:12] <Gallomimia> i go straight to quit without saving or it puts me in a loop back to the same thing
[18:12] <OerHeks> hmm, oke
[18:13] <Gallomimia> is there any way of testing the battery? i don't really have anything here. except a volt meter
[18:13] <Gallomimia> i guess if it's dead dead, then it will show zero
[18:13] <OerHeks> not sure if that makes it less likely a battery issue
[18:13] <Gallomimia> the timing is right. it's about 3yo
[18:13] <jeremy31> Depends on battery
[18:14] <Gallomimia> i'll just replace it
[18:14] <Gallomimia> soon(TM)
[18:14] <Gallomimia> the other thing that pops up is an untrusted signature error
[18:15] <Gallomimia> and i still deal with it dropping out of graphical boot screen to a text log that often hangs. usually the work around is to press ctrl-alt-f2, then ctrl-alt-f1 and it keeps going. but lately it has not being doing this sometimes
[18:16] <Gallomimia> s/often hangs/always hangs
[18:18] <TJ-> Gallomimia: is it BIOS or UEFI? if BIOS it's safe to do a Factory Reset of the settings in case they've got corrupted. Not so good on UEFI because it may wipe the boot menu, meaning you've got to boot from removable media to re-add the entry
[18:18] <Gallomimia> uefi
[18:18] <OerHeks> i find no dmidecode for bios battery info
[18:18] <TJ-> Gallomimia: that sounds more like hardware failing in some way
[18:19] <Gallomimia> the timing also matches up with the install of an intel microcode update. it's not an intel machine
[18:19] <Gallomimia> it's also complicated because i do actually have a failed HD in there. part of a raid that used to boot it
[18:20] <Gallomimia> when it first failed, i got the boot failure message and it reset all my linux-specific settings, which i had failed to write down somewhere
[18:20] <TJ-> most firmware settings are in eeprom rather than cmos battery-backed RAM these days anyhow
[18:20] <TJ-> Gallomimia: unless you updated the firmware BIOS/UEFI that contains microcode, that will not be issue. That isn't loaded by the OS until the kernel has started
[18:20] <Gallomimia> had a heck of a time (over a year) to get it sorted
[18:20] <OerHeks> even when you have the intel microcode update, does not mean it is loaded//
[18:20] <Gallomimia> well no, but it complains about boot problems more so since then
[18:21] <TJ-> Gallomimia: coincidence
[18:21] <TJ-> Gallomimia: I'd give the PC a good clean out, make sure everything is properly seated in the connectors, check if there is an RTc/CMOS battery and if so, what its state of charge is
[18:22] <Gallomimia> i did just clean it recently, had some overheat problems. just a fan control setting that was wrong
[18:22] <dbugger> Hello everyone
[18:22] <dbugger> Can someone give me a hand? I have a problem with screen tearing, and I have no idea what to do to fix it.
[18:22] <Gallomimia> but yeah. i'll reseat the ram. maybe the cpu? the graphics board?
[18:23] <Gallomimia> i had some screen tearing too. the solution was to turn down the settings
[18:23] <blackflow> I had screen tearing until I stopped using gnome. Then there wasn't any. :)
[18:23] <dbugger> what do you mean with "turn down the settings"?
[18:23] <Gallomimia> i'll go ahead and change the cmos battery. it's probably dead and i have an extra one right here
[18:24] <Gallomimia> what program is running when the screen tears?
[18:24] <TJ-> blackflow: I imagine you also had hair-tearing too? :P
[18:24] <blackflow> TJ-: what is this... "hair" you speak of? ;)
[18:24] <TJ-> :D
[18:24] <Gallomimia> okay well first. i need watermelon and ghost in the shell.
[18:25] <TJ-> Gallomimia: "overheat" sounds alarm bells to me, with the random nature of some of the issues you've mentioned
[18:27] <Gallomimia> this motherboard has always given me horrible grief on boot issues
[18:27] <Gallomimia> it overheated because the cpu fan control was set up wrong. shut itself off
[18:27] <Gallomimia> i touched the heatsink's heatpipe and nearly burned my finger off. so at least i know the thermal paste is in good contact
[18:29] <OerHeks> self build?
[18:29] <Gallomimia> yus
[18:29] <OerHeks> do all holes in the mobo have a screw+seperator? all those points are important ground connections
[18:30] <Gallomimia> i believe so
[18:30] <miu5> Gallomimia, i had the exact same problem, i confirm as well that you should buy a brand new bios battery
[18:30] <Gallomimia> i'll shut down in a half hour or so and do the list of things TJ suggested
[18:31] <Gallomimia> reseating, cleaning, check the standoffs, check the battery
[18:31] <miu5> those batteries are cheap, id just buy a new energizer
[18:31] <Gallomimia> i have a whole pack here
[18:31] <miu5> cool
[18:32] <Gallomimia> they called to me from the shelf in the grocery store
[18:32] <Gallomimia> i like... walked by them.... went back. thought about it. picked them up. put them down. walked away. went back again
[18:33] <miu5> lol
[18:41] <nixonix> andes: did you try if disabling wayland helped?
[18:47] <Gallomimia> so TJ- do you think the overheat might have caused some damage? I have a hard time believing it if it runs high performance games perfectly fine, even up to 75C. i got psensor installed, properly configured so i can monitor it. everything runs nice at full power, why would a random boot issue creep in?
[18:52] <nixonix> boot issues: psu, battery, motherboard's caps
[18:53] <TJ-> Gallomimia: I'd doubt it but the issues youu describe are pointing at a hardware problem of some kind
[18:53] <TJ-> Gallomimia: does the firmware setup allow you to monitor temperatures in real time?
[18:53] <Gallomimia> psensor does it. 3 sensors on the mobo and 1 in the cpu
[18:54] <Gallomimia> plus fan speeds. and the same on the graphics board
[18:54] <Gallomimia> there's lots more in the efi pre-boot. one in each cpu core
[18:54] <Gallomimia> i also set an audible alarm if it goes above 80C
[18:55] <Gallomimia> i had to turn down some graphics settings in one of the games that overheated it
[18:58] <Gallomimia> anyway, i eventually found that something was set wrong in the cpu fan control. it was cranking 750rpm while the cpu was quite hot. changed some things. it's less quiet but no more overheating
[18:59] <Gallomimia> for reference, it's the stock cooler on an AMD bulldozer. fx8350
[18:59] <compdoc> those do get warm
[18:59] <Gallomimia> actually i hadn't ever been able to get it up to full load for a long time
[18:59] <Gallomimia> they usually clock at 1.4ghz, then ramp up as needed.
[19:04] <donalsd> Hi, I have been messing with my ubuntu lately trying to get Qt 5.12 working to no success. In the process I added 18.04 sources in my 16.04 apt sources list. And it might have screwed up some packages. I've removed that, but now I see black windows when I try to open system apps like nautilus/settings etc.
[19:04] <donalsd> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 on Gnome shell.
[19:05] <donalsd> https://pasteboard.co/IkMFTU6.jpg here a screenshot of what I can see. I can't even open the browser and upload it from my computer now since I can't see what's in the file manager. Same goes for the gnome terminal.
[19:06] <donalsd> Any suggestions on how to fix this? Maybe a reset on the packages?
[19:07] <OerHeks> time to backup data and reinstall?
[19:08] <donalsd> OerHeks: I guess that's my last resort, but I'm hoping that fixing the broken packages somehow should fix it. Any suggestions on how to go about that?
[19:08] <OerHeks> i would go for 18.04 instead
[19:09] <Gallomimia> an upgrade to 18.04 is definitely a good idea. a clean install is a better one
[19:10] <donalsd> Okay, will upgrading to 18.04 potentially break something from 16.04? I had customized things I don't even remember now.
[19:10] <Gallomimia> i also suggest writing down some of those things you do to the system to get it "just so"
[19:10] <Gallomimia> s/some//all
[19:12] <donalsd> Gallomimia, could you gimme some examples of what can potentially break while upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 (on a successful upgrade)?
[19:12] <Gallomimia> nope. or they'd fix them.
[19:13] <blackflow> donalsd: alot of things, and there has been a number of reports when bionic came out. bionic changes a lot. first there's gnome instead of unity, then there's snaps for gnome and some default apps, then there's systemd-resolved, netplan for networking
[19:13] <blackflow> if you can, I suggest you install fresh.
[19:13] <Gallomimia> you get? if we knew the answer to that, it could be fixed. but upgrading a system that's been running for 3 years to a new release is such a rare use-case that we just don't know
[19:14] <Gallomimia> i changed from 16.04-gnome to 19.04 and..... everything is different.
[19:14] <Gallomimia> in fact my to-do list today is to put my elbows into that old partition and pull out anything i need, then nuke it and overwrite my current boot drive in its place
[19:15] <Gallomimia> the old 14.04 partition that's next to it too...
[19:15] <Gallomimia> why upgrade when you can LVM a new partition and install clean?
[19:16] <blackflow> Gallomimia: LTS to LTS upgrade is not a rare case, in fact it's the opposite
[19:16] <donalsd> I've been running this 16.04 system for quite a long time and it works pretty good and has been customized over time. Upgrading and breaking something will be really painful.
[19:16] <Gallomimia> oh and you have a thousand old, well-used machines with customizations just sitting around to test the scripts on?
[19:17] <ioria> donalsd,  try  'apt list | grep bionic'
[19:17] <Gallomimia> yes. very painful. we sympathize. but it will be less painful than trying to unfuck it. pardon my french
[19:19] <Gallomimia> er... :(
[19:19] <Gallomimia> on another topic, it doesn't seem wise to try to uninstall the package "intel-microcode" does it?
[19:20] <TJ-> Gallomimia: it won't do much except remove a bunch of files from /lib/firmware
[19:20] <Gallomimia> kay
[19:20]  * Gallomimia goes to have a look in /lib/firmware
[19:21] <TJ-> Gallomimia: to know the files: "dpkg -L intel-microcode"
[19:22] <Gallomimia> man am i ever sorry i peeked
[19:23] <candidat> you are forgiven
[19:25] <Gallomimia> ever wish you had a law degree just so you could untwist those essays known as "software licenses"?
[19:25] <donalsd> Okay, before I proceed to do a fresh install, could anyone here tell me if they can tell me what's going on here? https://pasteboard.co/IkMFTU6.jpg It's only for gnome apps (terminal and file manager) and the system tray seems f'ed up with artifacts. Is there an easy fix?
[19:26] <donalsd> Ioria that returned nothing :(
[19:27] <Gallomimia> window manager's compositor is borked?
[19:27] <OerHeks> if that is due to wrong sources/packages.. reinstall
[19:28] <ioria> donalsd,  apt-cache policy gnome-shell
[19:32] <donalsd> Ioria: Installed/candidate 3.18.5-0ubuntu0.3
[19:33] <donalsd> OerHeks: how do I find what packages to reinstall?
[19:36] <ioria> donalsd,  i suggest you check /var/log/syslog
[19:37] <ioria> donalsd,  and journalctl
[19:39] <OerHeks> donalsd, booting your ubuntu iso will solve that, reinstall, good lesson not to add sources that are not build against your versuon
[19:40] <OerHeks> you might want to try booting in rescue mode, and reinstall ubuntu-desktop, not sure that solves things completely
[19:40] <ioria> he's using gnome-shell on n16.04
[19:40] <donalsd> Ioria: I'm checking. Thanks.
[19:40] <donalsd> OerHeks: yes, lesson well learned
[19:43] <TJ-> donalsd: there *might* be an easy way to identify all the packages that need downgradiing
[19:43] <ioria> donalsd, check also some new hidden  files (.gtk, ot .qt*) in your home folder
[19:45] <TJ-> donalsd: Yes, I've confirmed there is. You can do "apt list --installed | grep local" and that should list all the packages that came from 18.04 but are no longer reachable. This *DEPENDS* on your having removed the 18.04 bionic entries from apt's sources.list first
[19:46] <kernelpanic> Hello! I installed linux 4.16.3 from ppa/mainline on ubuntu 16.04.6. Works well, but now I need to use perf, so I need linux-tools-4.16.3. Where can I find that?
[19:47] <donalsd> TJ- thanks, they seem to be the right packages.
[19:47] <donalsd> I need a nice terminal emulator do that I can copy paste those. I'm in stuck in the tty right noe
[19:48] <TJ-> donalsd: right, so we can create a command that could force-reinstall the original package versions
[19:48] <TJ-> donalsd: hold tight. I'll create a shell script you can fetch using wget into the TTY
[19:49] <donalsd> TJ- I'm indeed very grateful. Thank you very much :D
[19:52] <TJ-> donalsd: start with " wget https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/reinstall_local.sh "
[19:52] <TJ-> donalsd: view the file so you know what it'll do with "cat reinstall_local.sh"
[19:53] <donalsd41> TJ- On it, thanks
[19:54] <TJ-> donalsd: then try it, check the list of operations it wants to do (I'm not 100% sure it'll downgrade without a fight!), with "sudo sh reinstall_local.sh"
[19:54] <TJ-> donalsd41: we may have to modify it, if apt complains
[19:56] <donalsd> Well most of those kde packages aren't available on 16.04 repos I think. Apt complains that they can't be downloaded.
[19:56] <TJ-> donalsd: hmmm... so we could just remove those?
[19:57] <donalsd> Although i can dee it includes libqtdbus, libxcb1, locales, wayland etc. I'm not sure if I can just blindly remove them.
[19:57] <donalsd> Sorry for the spelling errors, I'm typing this on a phone for obvious reasons. :(
[19:57] <TJ-> donalsd: can you give me the exact name of one such (I presume the name will include some version number or something)
[19:58] <TJ-> donalsd: I can then manually install that package from 18.04 in a 16.04 container and see what apt reports when it doesn't like it, and modify the script to hadnle it
[19:58] <donalsd> So I can see locales/now 2.27-3ubuntu1
[19:59] <TJ-> donalsd: I'd expect that to reinstall as a downgrade since the name "locales" is available in 16.04 and 18.04
[20:00] <TJ-> donalsd: the things that apt will complain about with mostly be libraries that have their major version encoded in their name, e.g libsomelib2
[20:00] <donalsd> Theres X11proto-composite-dev 2018.4-4. There are things that deal with X and that's why I'm worried.
[20:00] <TJ-> donalsd: OK, that's a good one for me to investigate
[20:01] <donalsd> I imagine they took over the 16.04 packages and dependencies broke.
[20:01] <TJ-> donalsd: hehehe that one is OK too: "x11proto-composite-dev/xenial 1:0.4.2-2 all"
[20:02] <TJ-> donalsd: tell you what, capture apt's output so I can see it.
[20:02] <TJ-> donalsd: "sudo sh reinstall_local.sh |& nc termbin.com 9999 "
[20:03] <donalsd> For composite-dev I get: 2018.4-4 all
[20:04] <donalsd> TJ-, hold on, apt list --installed grep local actually shows me *all* my apps
[20:04] <TJ-> donalsd: that's fine, the version number will always be different, but the packages that apt will be unable to find in 16.04 will have a number in their package name
[20:04] <donalsd> Even the java applications that I built and installed.
[20:05] <TJ-> donalsd: have you corrected the apt sources.list ?
[20:05] <donalsd> Yes, removed everything from bionic
[20:05] <TJ-> donalsd: did you "sudo apt update" after returning sources.list to use xenial ?
[20:05] <donalsd> Yep
[20:07] <donalsd> http://termbin.com/wp64
[20:07] <TJ-> donalsd: I'd best see the sources, so I know what I'm dealing with! "nc termbin.com 9999 < <( cat /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} )"
[20:07] <donalsd> TJ- that's the output for the other command btw.
[20:09] <TJ-> donalsd: yes; e.g. "libkf5itemviews"  in 16.04 is "libkf5itemviews5" :)
[20:09] <donalsd> TJ- output: https://0elu
[20:10] <donalsd> https://termbin.com/0elu
[20:10] <TJ-> donalsd: I figured that, thanks, and it all looks good
[20:10] <TJ-> donalsd: let me see "apt list --installed | grep local | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:11] <donalsd> https://termbin.com/5js4
[20:12] <b1ack0p> hi.
[20:12] <TJ-> donalsd: and, the warnings about  "Reinstallation of XXXXX is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" is, as I suspected, because apt won't downgrade without us providing the exact version number
[20:12] <b1ack0p> i am dual booting with win10 + ubuntu 18.04.2
[20:13] <b1ack0p> i am using dropbox in Ubuntu currently.
[20:13] <b1ack0p> can i make shortcut of Dropbox directory and put in Windows directory to access my Dropbox files when i am on Windows?
[20:13] <TJ-> donalsd: give me a few minutes; I'm going to go through that "local" list and try to identify just the packages affected your GUI experience. If we can solve that you'd be in a better situation to resolve the remaining issues
[20:13] <b1ack0p> i tried ln -ls
[20:13] <donalsd> TJ-, alright so I'll need to put the exact version number for each package individually?
[20:14] <donalsd> Alright. Thanks  a ton :)
[20:14] <rodybig> So I'm using a Ubuntu system that has linux kernel 4.4 but I need to run some experiments using TCP BBR which is available only on 4.13+. The emulator I'm using can only work with 4.4 though. I'm using virtual devices to create a sender and a receiver. Anyway I can install a different versions of a kernel on these virtual namespaces but not on the
[20:14] <rodybig> entire system?
[20:14] <b1ack0p> created shortcut in ubuntu and copied that shortcut to windows directory within ubuntu but when i am windows it doesnt see the shortcut as a shortcut
[20:14] <TJ-> donalsd: remind which is the default desktop environment you're using?
[20:14] <b1ack0p> i dont know if i could explain myself clear
[20:14] <deanman> Trying to install Ubuntu on a partition (dual boot Windows 10) and during setup i cannot find an option to setup LVM for that particular partition, only get an option to use LVM on the whole physical disk which i don't. Any hints?
[20:14] <donalsd> TJ- Gnome
[20:15] <b1ack0p> what actually i want is to create shared folder to be able to access files between ubuntu and windows in different partitions
[20:15] <TJ-> donalsd: so references to anything kf/qr related I can ignore :)
[20:15] <TJ-> kf/qt
[20:16] <b1ack0p> and i am trying to use dropbox as cloud app
[20:16] <TJ-> donalsd: another question; there are a lot of -dev packages in the list - were you building packages using qt ?
[20:16] <donalsd> Well trying to install the kde+qt packages is what screwed me up
[20:17] <TJ-> donalsd: right, there are a lot so it makes my job easier to ID the packages you definitely have to downgrade
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | deanman
[20:18] <donalsd> Yes, I was trying to build krita using qt. I needed Qt5.12 to run them, and I had 5.9 originallg installed. So in the process of trying get Qt 5.12 working and the kde packages working, I messed things up. TJ-
[20:19] <deanman> lotuspsychje, thanks, trying to undestand if there is a GUI workflow which I'm missing. Are you suggesting that CLI is the way to do it?
[20:20] <TJ-> donalsd: good - I can remove the -dev packages from the list of essentials too
[20:21] <donalsd> Cool.
[20:34] <donalsd41> TJ- One more thing, I remember, one of the packages required me to install debhelper. Which seemed to download a lot of packages (including the default ones with higher version number). Could this be the issue?
[20:42] <b1ack0p> any answer about my question pls?
[20:44] <Sveta> b1ack0p: I believe dropbox has an app for windows and for linux, so if you have enough space, you can have your data in two places
[20:44] <b1ack0p> Sveta: yes but it has limit 3 devices
[20:44] <b1ack0p> already linked 3
[20:45] <b1ack0p> i have to choose now between windows and ubuntu for 3rd device .
[20:45] <Sveta> b1ack0p: you could make a new fat32 partition and it will be readable in both windows and ubuntu
[20:45] <b1ack0p> i prefer ubuntu
[20:45] <Sveta> b1ack0p: (or ntfs)
[20:45] <TJ-> donalsd41:I wonderd about debhelper. Took me a whil but I've reduced the list to those that DO exist in 16.04. I'm just generating a command that includes the 16.04 version numbers so it ought to work for you
[20:45] <b1ack0p> win partition is ntfs that s why i wanna create a shortcut
[20:45] <b1ack0p> i can access win partition in ubuntu
[20:45] <Sveta> b1ack0p: windows and ubuntu use different shortcut formats
[20:46] <Sveta> b1ack0p: locate the directory in windows and make a 'windows' kind of shortcut there, ubuntu will not see it
[20:46] <b1ack0p> well if i link windows in dropbox to upload them to cloud i need to login to windows
[20:46] <b1ack0p> but i stay in ubuntu longer than windows
[20:46] <Sveta> b1ack0p: and you would have another shortcut in ubuntu
[20:46] <Sveta> b1ack0p: two different shortcuts
[20:46] <b1ack0p> i see
[20:46] <b1ack0p> what do u suggest me?
[20:47] <Sveta> b1ack0p: make one shortcut in ubuntu and one shortcut in windows
[20:47] <donalsd41> Alright thanks :D  TJ- Seems like someone else had this issue too: https://askubuntu.com/questions/942415/default-apps-black-screen
[20:47] <b1ack0p> i prefer cloud app between to keep them in internet
[20:47] <b1ack0p> because dropbox account is linked 2 other devices including my phone
[20:47] <b1ack0p> Sveta: when i install dropbox it creates folder in my pc
[20:48] <b1ack0p> dropbox folder i wanna use
[20:48] <b1ack0p> not ordinary folder/shortcut
[20:48] <b1ack0p> that s my problem..
[20:48] <Sveta> b1ack0p: you will need to install dropbox on the windows partition and read that folder from ubuntu
[20:48] <Sveta> b1ack0p: because windows can not read data from ubuntu
[20:48] <b1ack0p> yes but when i edit file in ubuntu, to upload to the cloud, i have to login to windows
[20:49] <Sveta> b1ack0p: or you can install dropbox on ubuntu and in its settings ask it to use a windows' partition directory
[20:49] <Sveta> b1ack0p: I think this would work too
[20:49] <b1ack0p> hmm
[20:49] <b1ack0p> is it possible?
[20:49] <b1ack0p> if it works that s what i wanna do
[20:49] <Sveta> b1ack0p: https://www.howtogeek.com/246590/how-to-change-the-location-of-your-dropbox-folder/
[20:50] <b1ack0p> nope
[20:50] <Sveta> huh?
[20:50] <b1ack0p> dropbox doesnt show windows partition
[20:50] <b1ack0p> only / directory it shows
[20:50] <Sveta> what about /media/<your username>/ ?
[20:50] <b1ack0p> right
[20:50] <b1ack0p> let me try
[20:50] <Sveta> do you have a directory for your windows partition there ?
[20:51] <b1ack0p> i installed windows and ubuntu into different partitions
[20:51] <b1ack0p> i can see media location
[20:52] <TJ-> donalsd41: "wget https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/reinstall_base.sh "
[20:52] <TJ-> donalsd41: ^^^ contains the command to install the exact 16.04 versions of each of the packages I identified as being essential
[20:52] <b1ack0p> Sveta: nope
[20:53] <b1ack0p> when i install dropbox in ubuntu it uses filesystem Ext4 not ntfs
[20:53] <b1ack0p> that s why it doesnt see windows location
[20:53] <b1ack0p> it warned me when i tried to link windows location..
[20:53] <b1ack0p> didnt accept
[20:54] <donalsd41> TJ- Alright, wish me luck while I try to reinstall them :D
[20:54] <b1ack0p> only thing is to use dropbox in windows and edit in ubuntu and to use cloud function login to windows again :/
[20:54] <TJ-> donalsd41: :)
[20:55] <TJ-> b1ack0p: is thr linuc dropbox client tied to the underlying file-system then, not just a directory?
[20:55] <donalsd41> TJ- Resolve generated breaks, this maybe  caused by held packages.
[20:56] <Sveta> b1ack0p: what do you see in /media ?
[20:56] <donalsd41> TJ- Should I simply try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:56] <Sveta> b1ack0p: what error did it give you ?
[20:56] <TJ-> donalsd41: ghah! does it affect many packages? Can we manually prune out the complainers?
[20:58] <donalsd41> frameworkintegration depends on the libkf5* packages, I assume it's a KDE thing I can remove.
[20:58] <donalsd41> libboost-dev complains, I can remove that too I suppose.
[20:58] <TJ-> donalsd41: yes; I presume you're able to manually edit the .sh file to remove it?
[20:59] <usney> my friend's new laptop is having issues with ubuntu. One automatic login doesn't work most of the time still asks him for their password once in a while. Also the sound stops working sometimes too I think it happens as they plugin and unplug their headphones. https://pastebin.com/raw/hyU3rw1P
[20:59] <TJ-> Did I foroget to remove all the -dev packages? grrr, I meant to, but I messed up 1st time around and had to redo it, must have forgotten
[20:59] <userl> hi i have a problem with my phone
[21:00] <tomreyn> userl: if that's an ubuntu support request, be sure to provide more details.
[21:00] <donalsd41> TJ- There deosn't seem to be a dev package in the script tho
[21:01] <b1ack0p> Sveta: To sync your Dropbox, move your Dropbox folder to a partition with a compatible File System. Dropbox is compatible with Ext4
[21:02] <usney> they are using an HP 15 bs2xx laptop
[21:02] <TJ-> donalsd41: must be a dependency of something else
[21:02] <Sveta> b1ack0p: :-(
[21:03] <donalsd41> TJ- Now debhelper complains, can I simply remove that?
[21:03] <Sveta> b1ack0p: you might have to keep your data in two places and sync between them by hand
[21:03] <donalsd41> apt-get remove debhelper?
[21:03] <Sveta> b1ack0p: rsync can sync between ntfs and ext4
[21:03] <b1ack0p> Sveta: yes it seems that s the only solution. windows as a host of dropbox and ubuntu just file edit..
[21:04] <b1ack0p> ok thx anyway
[21:04] <TJ-> donalsd41: should be able to; this is rapidly getting more complex than I anticipated, I'm wondering if it'd be better to use a different approach entirely
[21:05] <donalsd41> TJ- Maybe sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[21:05] <TJ-> donalsd41: do you have either 1) another Ubuntu PC or 2) at least 4GB of free space in the current system's disk ?
[21:05] <donalsd41> TJ- None of them, really. :(
[21:05] <TJ-> donalsd41: try it, but I think you'll git dependency issues again
[21:06] <donalsd41> I will just dist-upgrade now and see what happens. Fresh install if everything else fails.
[21:07] <donalsd41> Thanks for the help :D  TJ-
[21:07] <TJ-> donalsd41: I was going to suggest installing a fresh 16.04 into a container, from which you could then identify all the correct and expected packages and potentially copy them over :)
[21:07] <donalsd41> https://askubuntu.com/questions/942415/default-apps-black-screen It solved it for this guy
[21:07] <donalsd41> TJ- I don't have a lot of space left on this SSD.
[21:08] <TJ-> donalsd41: by dist-upgrade you mean to 18.04, because "apt-get dist-upgrade on its own will just ensure all 'new' packages are installed (same as "apt full-upgrade"
[21:09] <donalsd41> Ahh no, I am going to try and see if apt-get dist-upgrade magically solves it. Otherwise I will just move to 18.04 or do a fresh install.
[21:10] <TJ-> donalsd41: "apt-get dist-upgrade" won't fix packages coming from a newer release that have replaced packages in the current release
[21:12] <TJ-> donalsd41: it does occur to me we could parse /var/log/apt/history.log if needed to ID packages that came from 18.04 and replaced  16.04 packages, but it still doesn't help to downgrade them, do a do-release-upgrade to 18.04, or simply editing apt's sources.list to be "bionic" again!! and THEN "apt-get dist-ugprade" would take you to 18.04
[21:13] <donalsd41> Alright, I will do a do-release-update after I am done with the dist-upgrade.
[21:13] <donalsd41> TJ- Is there a chance do-release-update might break something more?
[21:13] <TJ-> donalsd41: I suspect a d-r-u will refuse because of the mix of packages from different releases
[21:14] <donalsd41> Err, that way I will be stuck :/
[21:14] <Sveta> b1ack0p: do you have a static ip or wish to set up dyndns? you could self-host nextcloud and it would sync between 4+ devices
[21:15] <b1ack0p> i have dsl connection.. probably dynamic ip
[21:20] <tomreyn> usney: this log contains ACPI errors after resume from suspend (as well as during boot). this should be the latest available firmware (currently you have F.50, 11/23/2018): https://support.hp.com/gb-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-15-bs200-laptop-pc/20395753/swItemId/ob-229811-1
[21:22] <usney> how do I install windows software in ubuntu? tomreyn
[21:23] <tomreyn> usney: this one, you don't.
[21:23] <usney> how do I update the bios? tomreyn
[21:24] <b1ack0p> is it possible to set Ctrl+alt+del to login to ubuntu?
[21:25] <tomreyn> usney: HP support will have to tell. as far as i can tell they only support firmware upgrades from a bare metal windows installation.
[21:25] <usney> I see
[21:25] <usney> thanks tomreyn
[21:25] <tomreyn> that is, for this model and series
[21:26] <blackflow> b1ack0p: windows NT style?
[21:29] <b1ack0p> blackflow: just to require Ctrl alt del at login
[21:29] <b1ack0p> yes win NT style
[21:30] <blackflow> b1ack0p: why tho. the login screen immediately shows the input box, no need to press anything to get it.
[21:30] <b1ack0p> i like it
[21:30] <blackflow> otherwise I don't think that's possible
[21:30] <b1ack0p> ok
[21:30] <b1ack0p> i thought it is possible
[21:31] <b1ack0p> ctrl alt del is logging out user so i thought it could be cool to add on login also
[21:31] <blackflow> well in theory it could be if you hacked the greeter and changed the ctrl+alt+del shortcut
[21:31] <b1ack0p> i didnt know it is so complicated..
[21:32] <blackflow> also, the greeter already shows the input so it'd have to be modified to show nothing untill you hit the three finger salute
[21:32] <b1ack0p> where is the setting about it?
[21:32] <blackflow> I don't think there's a setting, but you'd have to dive into the source code itself
[21:33] <b1ack0p> ah
[21:33] <b1ack0p> no i cant do that
[21:33] <b1ack0p> not my level
[21:33] <b1ack0p> i am still beginner
[21:40] <OerHeks> interesting questions for a beginner, install dconf-editor and see if you can find that shortcut in org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings
[21:42] <OerHeks> not sure what value it should be for login, you seems te be the 1st one
[21:45] <b1ack0p> lol ok
[21:49] <b1ack0p> OerHeks: i couldnt find anything about Ctrl alt del in dconf-editor
[21:57] <gdb> b1ack0p: I think you're misunderstanding the reason for ctrl-alt-del on Windows.  It's because CAD isn't intereptable on Windows, by an application.  It can only be caught and dealt with by the operating system.  It's so when you press CAL and get a logon window, you can be assured it's Windows displaying it and not malware.
[21:57] <gdb> There is no way (I am aware of) of enabling it at login on Ubuntu becuase there is literally zero reason to do so (as there was in older Windows versions).
[21:58] <b1ack0p> gdb: i consider it as person who knows how to use ctrl alt del keys to login
[21:58] <b1ack0p> kind of authorisation :p
[22:01] <loganrun> is there any way to upgrade by version of gdm3, it doesn't run /etc/gdm3/Init/Default like it should
[22:03] <loganrun> tried to google it, but seems like no one on has a solution or something
[22:05] <OerHeks> loganrun, seems related to gnome3,  WaylandEnable=false  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1774081 and answer https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/issues/317
[22:06] <mamonetti> hi
[22:07] <Bashing-om> mamonetti: Welcome - your support question ?
[22:08] <mamonetti> do you know any image viewer which supports a kind of "continuous" mode similar to a pdf reader, but showing all the files of a folder one after the other? the point is to only need a vertical scroll to see all the images
[22:10] <mamonetti> i'm downloading some manga series which can be read this way using a browser (obviously this requires some html stuff), but just using an image viewer
[22:12] <mamonetti> hmm.. actually i could prepare a script to create a simple html file for each episode, one per folder, and use a browser directly o_O
[22:18] <mamonetti> ok, that's easy to do
[22:39] <delac> if I change theme from dconf-editor on Unity/Gnome, the theme is applied immediately even on open windows. This does not happen on KDE. Any idea what service is listening the changes to dconf and applies the theme change?
[22:48] <OerHeks> dconf does an unusual trick to reload themes, AFAIK
[23:40] <abdulhakeem> I have a headless Ubuntu home server that I'd like to download torrents with directly, instead of downloading on my desktop/laptop and then copying over to the server. I found transmission-cli for a CLI torrent program (unless there's a better choice), but is it possible to connect to a VPN via CLI only? Like does OpenVPN have a CLI option?
[23:41] <OerHeks> transmisssion has a gui too, web based
[23:42] <tds> openvpn itself doesn't have a gui, so you can just run `openvpn` directly
[23:42] <abdulhakeem> OerHeks: does that require installing transmission-gtk or if I install transmission-cli can I still access the web gui
[23:43] <OerHeks> old tutor, but basicly still valid for user creation and permissions https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/install-transmission-web-interface-on-ubuntu-1204/
[23:43] <abdulhakeem> oh nice didn't realize i could run openvpn from terminal
[23:43] <abdulhakeem> duh
[23:43] <OerHeks> transmission-gtk transmission-cli transmission-common transmission-daemon
[23:43] <abdulhakeem> idk why ididnt think to try thatlol
[23:44] <OerHeks> so that would be drop-and-forget
[23:45] <OerHeks> oh, more recent https://online-it.nu/install-transmission-torrent-client-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver/
[23:46] <abdulhakeem> nice ty
[23:46] <abdulhakeem> i mean like i Know how to install packages, it's just the CLI-only part along with openvpn on CLI only that I was curious about
[23:46] <abdulhakeem> :P


[06:01] <hikiko> hi
[08:59] <Laney> morning!
[09:07] <seb128> good morning Laney!
[09:07] <seb128> how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:09] <Laney> not too bad thanks
[09:09] <Laney> almost got under 5 minutes on the donation yesterday
[09:09] <Laney> 05:11
[09:09] <Laney> next time!
[09:09] <Laney> what about you?
[09:09] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:10] <seb128> though I already miss the holidays morning extra-sleeping
[09:11] <Laney> indeed
[09:14] <Laney> not long until next christmas :-)
[09:16] <seb128> yeah, and this year is good for holidays, most of our national days are on fridays and there is only one that end up being on a saturday (and none on sundays)
[09:16] <Laney> nice!
[09:26] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney seb128
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> I'm back from the gym, just need to freshen up.
[09:34] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[10:49] <xnox> tedg, looking at src:url-dispatcher does that work under systemd at all?
[10:49] <xnox> i see that it tries to query things with upstart....
[10:55] <xnox> sil2100, could you review and approve https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity-scope-click/systemd/+merge/313713 ? =) or is that bypassing the processes....
[10:57] <xnox> seb128, can you please make me the assignee of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/convergence-y-replace-upstart and target it to zesty somehow?
[11:05] <sil2100> xnox: hey! Let me take a look, but I'm not a click scope developer ;p
[11:09] <xnox> sil2100, i'm not sure anybody  is.... =)
[11:10] <xnox> it's not scope related per se, just systemd session job, in addition to the upstart session job.
[11:14] <sil2100> Yeah, see it, I guess I might be able to review that ;)
[11:27] <xnox> sil2100, nope, there should not have ever been either dependencies on upstart or systemd. it's integration with a running session, if present, but doesn't require it.
[11:27] <xnox> e.g. one should be able to install these packages in a chroot and execute binaries without any sessions at all.
[11:27] <sil2100> xnox: ACK
[11:27] <sil2100> xnox: top approved in that case
[11:28]  * sil2100 wonders why there was an upstart dep in the first place there
[11:28] <xnox> sil2100, on the other hand, i have added upstart dependency to unity8-desktop-session and ubuntu-touch-sessions as those do explicitely exec "upstart --user" to kick off the sessions.
[11:28] <xnox> because, i'm dropping the deps everywhere else.
[11:28] <xnox> =)
[12:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, I'm not the only person who requires rust then https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2017-January/msg00001.html \o/
[12:23] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi
[12:23] <ricotz> see pm
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, replied
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> happy new year :)
[12:24] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, I got the impression that rust in firefox is still optional
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, it's not going to be optional for long
[12:25] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, I mean "--disable-rust" is still a thing
[12:26] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, yeah, the plan is for it to be mandatory early this year though. That option isn't going to be around for very long
[12:27] <ricotz> I see, starting with 53 or 54?
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> Possibly 53
[12:28] <ricotz> hmm
[12:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol, we can easily hold on that update though ;-)
[12:39] <seb128> xnox, blueprint assigned to you and re-targetted
[12:41] <xnox> tah
[12:41] <seb128> yw!
[12:43] <flocculant> welcome back all you desktoppers :)
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, o/
[12:44] <seb128> hey flocculant, thanks
[12:45] <flocculant> hope you all had good break :)
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks ;)
[14:05] <tedg> xnox: Not that I know of, we need to get U8 moved over first me thinks.
[14:48] <b4n> andyrock: had you a chance to look further at making keybinding for some plugin work also in case of grabs? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1653072)
[14:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1653072 in Compiz "Make accessibility shortcuts usable in all context" [Undecided,New]
[14:48] <b4n> if not, I'll give it a try
[14:50] <andyrock> Hey
[14:50] <b4n> hey :)
[14:50] <andyrock> I m working on it
[14:50] <b4n> awesome :)
[15:16] <Hallo32> Hi, are there any improvements for the network manager in 16.10?
[17:17] <seb128> k, calling it a day
[17:17] <seb128> it was quiet here today!
[17:17] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers, see you tomorrow
[17:17] <Laney> night seb128
[18:53] <andyrock> b4n: you here?
[18:53] <b4n> not really, but fire away
[18:54] <andyrock> so if I have a menu open here and I type super+alt+s to activate the screen reader
[18:54] <andyrock> it does not work
[18:54] <andyrock> to my knowledge there is nothing special with this keybinding
[18:55] <andyrock> at least in unity
[18:55] <b4n> sorry, super+alt+s is managed by what?
[18:55] <andyrock> by the shell, the settings-deamon register it to the current shell using the key grabber dbus-api
[18:56] <andyrock> so it can be unity, gnome-shell, metacity, etc...
[18:56] <b4n> ok, so it's kinda expected it doesn't work I guess
[18:56] <b4n> 2s, lemme see one thing
[18:58] <andyrock> let me try on a different shell
[18:58] <b4n> yeah ok indeed it doesn't
[18:58] <andyrock> but it works on the lockscreen (at least in unity)
[18:58] <andyrock> that because we allow it and have the full control
[18:58] <andyrock> let me try on a different shell
[18:59] <b4n> gnome-shell also works on the lock screen
[18:59] <b4n> I believe the report was about MATE's
[18:59] <b4n> but in any case you're right, it doesn't work when menus are open
[19:00] <b4n> OTOH, orca's own keybindings do work
[19:01] <andyrock> but I can try to use XI2 directly
[19:01] <b4n> yeah, as said I believe it's what Mumble use, and it works inside grabs
[19:02] <b4n> did you try your idea of using at-spi API?
[19:07] <andyrock> after a look at the API i don't think that's what they're meant for
[19:08] <andyrock> we use XI2 inside unity because we have the control on the main loop and on the x11 events
[19:08] <andyrock> not sure we can do that inside a plugin
[19:08] <andyrock> but I'll try
[19:09] <b4n> nah at-spi's API isn't really meant for that I guess
[19:10] <b4n> okay, thanks
[20:07] <jcastro> tedg: the theme looks so much nicer in the --edge inkscape
[21:10] <tedg> jcastro: Yeah, GTK3 is better :-)
[21:11] <tedg> jcastro: I'm excited to finally drop GTK2 in Inkscape.


[04:28] <ahhughes> hey, I just found a DAB+ usb stick with linux drivers... but what software/client could I use for a HMI?
[21:20] <tgm4883> Can I get some testing on https://launchpad.net/~tgm4883/+archive/ppa/+build/3686510/+files/ubuntu-tv-testcard_12.07_all.deb
[21:20] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] N/A