[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> Even more mentions of grand-designer AlanBell ? ;-)
[00:28] <tgm4883> AlanBell, MrChrisDruif thats cause you're at the point where those pages are getting the info off of other blogs, not the Ubuntu TV wiki
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, I was just guessing, I haven
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> 't looked at the articles
[08:53] <AlanBell> tgm4883: yes, I am just ammused by the spread of the story and translations etc
[08:53] <AlanBell> some of them are taking fresh screenshots as I changed the stand of the TV
[09:06] <mainerror> Morning.
[17:59] <manofbronze> Question: What's the current development state for ubuntutv?
[18:05] <ogra_> wow, he wasnt even here for a munite
[18:05] <ogra_> *minute
[22:30] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/utv/index.html
[22:30] <AlanBell> I like it mhall119
[23:12] <mhall119> thanks
[23:13] <mhall119> I need to get the remote into the template
[23:13] <mhall119> AlanBell: did you see my dash mockup too?
[23:14] <AlanBell> very nice
[23:14] <AlanBell> double press, interesting!
[23:15] <mhall119> yeah, I'm thinking either double-press or press-and-hold actions will let us do more with fewer buttons
[23:15] <AlanBell> using regular sized icons looks about right on the 1/4 screen
[23:16] <mhall119> a TV is effectively a small-screen display, because of the distance you will typically be from it
[23:17] <mhall119> I'm thinking it'll probably need a modified GTK theme to increase padding and spacing, then default to a large font size
[23:17] <mhall119> no matter what we do, it won't be suitable for reading large amounts of text
[23:17] <mhall119> not even email, IMO
[23:18] <AlanBell> tweets probably
[23:18] <AlanBell> email subjects and notifications maybe
[23:18] <mhall119> yeah, that would work
[23:18] <mhall119> notify-osd should work fine on a TV
[23:20] <AlanBell> yeah, I think that could be an important part of it
[23:20] <AlanBell> integrated with your other computing stuff
[23:21] <mhall119> I was reading the ~ubuntu-tv ML archive earlier, there seems to be confustion about what ubuntu on a TV should be
[23:24] <mhall119> it's my understanding that the whole point of Unity was to provide a common interface across different kinds of devices, which is why my mockups look so much like desktop Unity
[23:24] <mhall119> is that what you were going with as well?
[23:29] <mhall119> AlanBell: what are you throughts on working with non-maximized windows?
[23:29] <mhall119> without a mouse or even a keyboard, it sounds like a pain
[23:41] <AlanBell> yeah, not sure we should
[23:41] <AlanBell> unless they are like the non-maximised unity lens/dash
[23:41] <AlanBell> attached to the launcher


[00:36] <valorie> so should I change it?
[00:36] <valorie> the rain stopped so I ran out and did some planting and moving of plants after all
[00:36] <valorie> we've had these bands that start and stop
[00:37] <valorie> some of the dirt I dug up for planting holes were totally dry still
[00:37] <valorie> which is why the cabin is still under evac orders
[00:42] <valorie> ahoneybun: ^^^
[00:42] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:45] <valorie> read up
[00:46] <valorie> clivejo: doesn't look like we are using that one thought
[00:46] <valorie> -t
[00:46] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/9c1b/zesty_banner.png is what we're using
[00:47] <clivejo> there are two banners
[00:47] <clivejo> one on the home page, and one that is repeated behind the title on each page
[00:47] <valorie> ok
[00:48] <valorie> that was the homepage though
[00:48] <clivejo> yes
[00:48] <clivejo> but we also need the banner for the pages updated too
[00:49] <clivejo> and it caused us issues last time
[00:49] <valorie> ok, I just want to know exactly what to write for the call story
[00:49] <valorie> sounds like we need two different sizes
[00:50] <clivejo> the page banner could probably be just a snapshot of the wallpaper
[00:51] <valorie> sure
[00:51] <clivejo> I blued it
[00:51] <clivejo> https://i.imgur.com/XtwawsK.png
[00:51] <valorie> if we don't get a cool submission, we can always do that
[00:52] <clivejo> don't like the orange
[00:52] <valorie> I was thinking of having the white one be semi-transparent
[00:52] <valorie> over that wallpaper
[00:52] <valorie> sort of subtle
[00:54] <clivejo> fecking PIM and their breaking ABI
[00:56]  * clivejo switches everything off and goes to bed
[00:57] <valorie> sweet dreams, clivejo
[00:58]  * tsimonq2 passes clivejo his drink of choice and fixes PIM
[01:22] <valorie> ok everybody, mparillo is now an editor on the site
[01:22] <tsimonq2> mparillo: welcome to the club
[01:23] <valorie> and he's gonna apply for membership!
[01:23] <valorie> \o/
[01:23] <tsimonq2> mparillo: There's a certain page I'd like you to fix for me... XD
[01:23] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/marco-parillo
[01:23] <valorie> oh tsimonq2, how I love thee
[01:24] <tsimonq2> mparillo: Could you please make my last name Quigley? https://kubuntu.org/the-kubuntu-team/
[01:24] <tsimonq2> People shouldn't have to shout when they hear my last name, they should WANT to shout
[01:24] <tsimonq2> XD
[01:24] <valorie> no he can't
[01:24] <tsimonq2> ohhh yes he can
[01:25] <tsimonq2> One day...
[01:25] <valorie> for the record, I share your taste
[01:26] <valorie> taste....that makes me realize it's long past dinner time and I never had any
[01:26] <tsimonq2> valorie: One day some poor soul will comply and my last name will be fixed XD
[01:26] <valorie> bbiab
[01:26] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie
[01:29] <mparillo> I would not mind title-casing your name, but only if everybody's name were title-cased. ISTR a discussion on the -devel list, and consistency was considered essential.
[01:29] <tsimonq2> mparillo: then do it muahahahahahahahahahaha
[01:31] <mparillo> When things get quiet, maybe we can stir up some controversy. IIRC, once upon a time, most hackers went lower-case only.
[01:32] <tsimonq2> Welllllll idk where Aarun is, Rik and Clive are sleeping, and Valorie is off to dinner... perfect time to stir up some controversy ;)
[01:35] <wxl> i'm going to go on there and change everyone's name to normal and then make tsimonq2's in all caps.
[01:36] <wxl> or maybe just strikethrough. that would be fun
[01:36] <wxl> or maybe small caps
[01:36] <wxl> ooooh small caps and strikethrough!
[01:36] <wxl> it's settled then!
[01:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: do it, so I can complain about consistency, and then it'll have to be fixed XD
[01:36] <wxl> no
[01:36] <wxl> that will be completely consistent
[01:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: Also, can I trade strikethrough for italics? :P
[01:37] <wxl> no
[01:37] <wxl> the official policy will state that we reserve this treatment only for the most annoying members
[01:37] <wxl> and we use it to reward those members for their perniciousness
[01:37] <wxl> keep up the good work!
[01:38] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[01:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: do it, I dare you
[02:10] <ahoneybun> No no no
[02:11] <tsimonq2> ohhhh yess yess yess
[02:12] <valorie> dork!
[02:13]  * valorie coats a ghost pepper in chocolate and tricks tsimonq2 into eating it
[02:15] <tsimonq2> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:16]  * tsimonq2 washes it down with a couple Red Bulls
[02:16] <valorie> you can enjoy that twice!
[02:17] <tsimonq2> hah
[02:18] <valorie> omg, snow in the mountains
[02:18] <valorie> Timberline Lodge and Paradise at Mt. Rainier
[02:19] <valorie> the fire danger will soon be done
[02:20] <valorie> and Friday fall begins
[02:24] <valorie> okeydoke, publishing that story
[02:24] <valorie> thank you for your help everyone
[02:33] <valorie> posted on the list and on Mastodon
[02:33] <valorie> tweet from Kubuntu would be appreciated, plus FB, G+, reddit etc.
[02:53] <valorie> mparillo: commented on your wiki page
[05:02]  * acheronuk congrats mparillo on applying
[05:16] <valorie> about time!
[10:00] <mparillo> valorie: Thank you. Tweeted and G+'d. I will try to get a VM, and incognito mode and FB.
[11:01] <mparillo> Website banner request also posted to FB.
[18:04] <clivejo> my pathetic attempt for the artful banner - https://i.imgur.com/PTEh7cA.png
 Ooh ooh my turn
[18:08] <clivejo> I'll post it to the list, might generate interest
 (Photo, 507x662) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j8RSLHPm/file_3288.jpg
[19:37] <valorie> ooo thanks, mparillo
[19:37] <valorie> clivejo: pretty much what I was thinking of except the lettering on the bottom
[19:38] <valorie> don't like that lettering at all
[19:39] <valorie> well, I don't like the wallpaper -- I so wish that we could get the next Plasma and its really lovely wallpaper
[19:39] <valorie> oh, well, we can't
[21:33]  * valorie heads outside to work for a bit


[18:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[18:41] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, how are you? did you have a good christmas and new year?
[18:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I did! Yourself?
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, it was great thanks. but starting to regret taking a whole month off work ;)
[18:42] <m_conley> I also have regrets. Mostly over-eating regrets. I took a hit right in the mirror this year.
[18:42] <m_conley> anywho
[18:42] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm quite lucky. i didn't do too badly this year :)
[18:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: do you know ehsan?
[18:43] <m_conley> on irc.mozilla.org?
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> i do
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> i should probably sign back on to irc.mozilla.org now i'm back at work :)
[18:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: he and a few others are working on making per-window private browsing happen
[18:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: and ... well, he's got a few questions about the global menu extension
[18:44] <m_conley> I think
[18:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: mind signing into irc.mozilla.org in case he wants to ask a question or two?
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> ok, there now :)
[18:46] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: excellent, thanks! :D
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, how much do we care about armel on 12.10?
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if you noticed that firefox doesn't build there ;)
[19:13] <jdstrand> let me see
[19:14] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: meh, it is a supported arch. let me look at the build log
[19:15] <micahg> armel on quantal isn't support
[19:15] <micahg> *officially supported
[19:15] <jdstrand> I thought it was
[19:15] <jdstrand> let me check the FAQ again
[19:15] <micahg> it wasn't officially supported in precise....
[19:15] <jdstrand> ah right, 'ports'
[19:15] <jdstrand> it is armhf
[19:15] <jdstrand> (that is supported)
[19:16] <micahg> right, armhf is official on both
[19:16] <jdstrand> still, it build before
[19:16]  * jdstrand looks at build log
[19:16] <jdstrand> yeeow
[19:16] <jdstrand> I'm guessing it won't build without effort
[19:17] <micahg> Mozilla's lowest target at the moment is armv6, so armv5 is oblivious to them
[19:17] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: let's not worry about it. maybe file an upstream bug and we can get it back next time?
[19:18] <jdstrand> armhf built ok, which I find surprising in a "I didn't think that armel and armhf were that different, but I really don't know what I'm talking about" sort of way
[19:18] <micahg> jdstrand: armv5 vs armv7
[19:19] <jdstrand> huh, I thought it was literally the hardware float bits. oh well
[19:20] <micahg> jdstrand: yes, that's the main difference in precise, with quantal there was the target platform change as well
[19:20]  * jdstrand seems to remember something about buildds have personalities for either. /shrug
[19:20] <jdstrand> micahg: ahh
[19:20] <jdstrand> ok, that makes sense then


[08:34] <lotuspsychje> bug 1950052 reported on QA
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: ^
[08:34] <alkisg> Nice work lotuspsychje ! :)
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> not mine, your found keeping you updated, tnx to you!
[16:56] <rorym> i tried the latest jammy iso and it has kernel 5.13. unfortunately, i need an iso with 5.14 or higher. does anyone know an an unofficial iso or something else that might help? i know i can upgrade after install
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> why's that rorym you need 5.14?
[16:59] <rorym> that's not relevant
[17:01] <Fatal_Sushi> there are no unofficial iso's with 5.14
[17:01] <Fatal_Sushi> want newer? Go for a real rolling release
[17:01] <Fatal_Sushi> or... just be patient until the 5.14 rolls out in jammy
[17:03] <rorym> Fatal_Sushi, is there a place to check which kernel tammy has without downloading and looking inside the iso?
[17:04] <rorym> jammy*
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> rorym: or experiment with !mainline kernels after install
[17:07] <Fatal_Sushi> rorym: probably 5.13.0 but i guess they'll you 5.15.X any time soon
[17:08] <Fatal_Sushi> iirc 5.15 is the new LTS kernel and since Jammy is a upcoming LTS release they'll go for that
[17:11] <rorym> thanks
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> rorym: usualy when you need to bypass things, you can also use kernel boot commands..so feel free to share your purpose with the volunteers anyway
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> anyone else got cheese very slow launch currently and when it finally started, no webcam found error?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> (cheese:160421): cheese-WARNING **: 18:30:53.500: stream error: wrong resource type/version: ../src/gst/gstpipewiresrc.c(547): on_state_changed (): /GstCameraBin:camerabin/GstWrapperCameraBinSrc:camera_source/GstBin:bin18/GstPipeWireSrc:pipewiresrc1
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: bug 1950052 should be fixed now, test on your end if you like
[18:20] <alkisg> Thank you lotuspsychje , testing...
[18:37] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: all fine now, I didn't even have to reboot! Thanks!
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> great alkisg


[15:00] <bigjools> moi
[15:00] <allenap> me
[15:00] <leonardr> has the meeting actually started yet?
[15:00] <jcsackett> i don't think so.
[15:01] <bac> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:01.   I was on holiday and simply forgot to cancel the meeting or find someone else to lead it.
[15:04] <bac> Sorry if it wasted your time.
[15:05] <jtv> Aplogize?  It was fun.  :)
[15:05] <bac> [topic] outstanding actions
[15:05] <gary_poster> heh
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  outstanding actions
[15:05] <bac> sinzui: any progress on the lint changes wrt Storm 'in'?
[15:05] <sinzui> no
[15:05] <bac> alrighty
[15:06] <bac>  * bac to work with mars regarding a slow introduction of new reviewer points regarding the ArchitectureGuide.
[15:06] <jelmer> me, sorry I'm late
[15:07] <bac> i finally talked to mars about this today and i'm going to send an email this week announcing a plan.  we'll phase in one item at a time for reviewers to concentrate on.
[15:07] <bac> hi jelmer
[15:07] <bac> [topic] mentat update from salgado
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentat update from salgado
[15:08] <salgado> haven't been requested to do UI reviews lately, so if you've got UI reviews, send them my way
[15:08] <sinzui> He needs reviews
[15:08] <sinzui> I need to stop stealing reviews
[15:08] <bac> bad sinzui
[15:08] <abentley> sinzui: wasn't your sig "guilty of stealing everything I am"?
[15:08] <bac> yes, please let's get salgado more reviews so he can graduate and get on with life
[15:08] <sinzui> I am true to my word
[15:09] <bac> the same is probably true with steven and code reviews...
[15:09] <bac> [topic] New stuff?
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  New stuff?
[15:09] <bac> There are no new topics to discuss.
[15:09] <sinzui> mrevell, will be starting UI review training
[15:09] <bac> Does anyone have an item off agenda.
[15:09] <bac> yay, mrevell!
[15:09] <abentley> Yeah, I have a couple.
[15:09] <bac> go, abentley
[15:10] <abentley> I sent out an email about database patches needed time checking.  Did that make sense to everyone?
[15:10] <abentley> I didn't get any responses, except stub telling me that the patch to show db time had been rolled back.
[15:11] <jtv> Well I was wondering: what about indexing large tables?
[15:11] <bac> abentley: i was confused by the state of the request given stub's reply
[15:11] <jelmer> abentley: I haven't actually tried it, but it did make sense.
[15:11] <abentley> Which now leaves us with a database time budget and no way to ensure we stay within it.
[15:12] <bigjools> we have the staging restore time at the weekend to go on
[15:12] <abentley> jtv: staging has always been used as an indicator of production for patch application time.
[15:12] <abentley> jtv: The staging db is at most a month stale.
[15:12] <sinzui> Yes it is surprising to see two updates in the last 4 weeks
[15:13] <abentley> bigjools: We do.  but since we're merging db-stable into devel on Friday, that will only tell us if we've failed to stay within it, not act as a guide to keep us within it.
[15:13] <jtv> abentley: perhaps I was unclear in some way.  I mean: indexing large tables would be likely to overrun the patch time budget.
[15:13] <jtv> There's ways around that, but not really within the existing patch system AFAICS.
[15:13] <gary_poster> bigjools: I believe part of the eventual intent is to make this change so that the weekend restore is no longer necessary--so that we can run that monthly, for instance.  maybe I'm wrong.
[15:13] <bigjools> abentley: you might want to consider postponing that then
[15:14] <bigjools> gary_poster: ack, indeed
[15:14] <abentley> jtv: So, I was talking about a system whereby we get an estimate of how long a patch will take to apply.
[15:14] <jtv> And I was talking about staying within the budget that creates for us.
[15:15] <abentley> jtv: even indexing a large table may be in the budget.
[15:15] <abentley> jtv: We would rely on the incremental db patch application times over the week, if we had those.
[15:16] <abentley> jtv: I suppose we could reject any patches that index large tables.  Is that what you had in mind?
[15:16] <jtv> abentley: if we had a suitable escape hatch, yes.
[15:17] <bigjools> not that I don't want to talk about this, but it's drifting OT for the meeting
[15:17] <abentley> bigjools: okay.
[15:17] <bac> yes, thanks abentley.  follow up on the list?
[15:17] <bac> abentley: you had another topic?
[15:17] <abentley> bac: Hasn't worked so far..
[15:18] <abentley> The other topic is the reorganization into Launchpad Squads.
[15:19] <bac> abentley: ok.  review team related?
[15:19] <abentley> Some teams like mine are scattered across timezones, which means we are more inclinded to use on-call reviews.  The new squads will reduce that, and could reduce the use of on-call reviews.
[15:19] <jtv> The squads are also scattered, aren't they?
[15:19] <abentley> Is that something we should be concerned about?  should we embrace it?
[15:20] <jcsackett> will it reduce that? many of the squads look scattered.
[15:20] <abentley> Orange squad looks Euro/NA
[15:20] <abentley> That's less scattered than NA/NZ
[15:20] <jtv> My squad is SEA/Euro/America
[15:21] <bigjools> jtv: ours might change, depending on who I recruit
[15:21] <jtv> …or fire.  Got it.
[15:21]  * jtv shuts up
[15:21] <abentley> Odd, I had heard that they were going to be less scattered.  Maybe I have a false premise.
[15:22] <bac> abentley: i think we'll have to see how it pans out.  i don't foresee it being an issue.
[15:22] <jtv> I hadn't heard anything, but looking at the teams thought they deliberately spanned multiple continents.
[15:23]  * abentley yields the floor.
[15:23] <sinzui> The goal is to span time zones, but limit the spread so that all the member can meet
[15:23] <bac> anything else?
[15:23] <bigjools> we need half a day overlap, or so
[15:24] <bac> 3
[15:24] <bac> 2
[15:24] <bac> 1
[15:24] <sinzui> jtv and jcsackett are in a predicament
[15:24] <bac> #endmeeting
[15:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:24.
[15:24] <jtv> In terms of timezone span, yes.
[15:24] <jtv> thanks bac!
[15:24] <bac> thanks everyone
[15:24] <jcsackett> thanks, bac.
[15:24] <bigjools> sinzui: yes
[15:24] <abentley> thanks bac.
[15:24] <jtv> sinzui: I really hope I won't have to go back to the post-midnight meetings!
[15:24] <bigjools> thanks everyone
[15:26] <jcsackett> jtv: better to look at it less as a post-midnight meeting and more a pre-5am meeting. :-P
[15:26] <jtv> Oh yes, that helps
[15:26] <jtv> …
[15:26] <jtv> no, I was wrong.  It doesn't.  :)
[15:26]  * jcsackett laughs.
[15:27] <bigjools> early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and tired