[01:19] <binarymutant> "/rescue" <-- NEAT
[01:19] <binarymutant> http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2011-10-20.freebsds-rescue-directory-and-system-recovery.html
[01:23] <wrst> binarymutant: that is very cool
[02:13] <vychune> o/
[02:13] <vychune> hello for the nineteenth time today
[02:13] <vychune> first a bad connection then winblows crashes
[02:13] <Unit193> Howdy, I see you did some disco dancing
[02:15] <vychune> ?
[02:16] <Unit193> Disconnect Dancing
[02:16] <binarymutant> rofl
[02:18] <vychune> ROTFL
[02:19] <vychune> i needed that laugh
[02:19] <vychune> world series is getting tight and i cant watch it\
[02:19] <vychune> kids are over so nothing but kids channels allowed
[02:20] <vychune> -
[02:20] <vychune> -_-
[02:20] <vychune> binarymutant: how you doing?
[02:22] <binarymutant> doing good
[02:22] <binarymutant> chilling
[02:23] <binarymutant> how about you vychune ?
[02:24] <vychune> great cards are winning
[02:25] <binarymutant> baseball? not much of a sports fan
[02:25] <binarymutant> <-- standard nerd
[02:27] <vychune> LOL
[02:27] <vychune> dungens and dragons?
[02:27] <vychune> lol
[02:28] <binarymutant> m:tg :{
[02:28] <binarymutant> :P
[02:29] <vychune> lol
[02:30] <binarymutant> d&d is too much work, lazy standard nerd
[02:31] <vychune> lol
[02:31] <binarymutant> vychune: how can you take that sport seriously? With the strikes, steroids, and low seat counts...
[02:31] <vychune> iROTFL
[02:32] <vychune> memphis redbirds=stl cards
[02:32] <vychune> thats how
[02:32] <binarymutant> lost me :/
[02:33] <vychune> and it's the only big sport that didnt riot this year
[02:33] <binarymutant> soccer didn't :P
[02:35] <vychune> the memphis redbirds baseball team here is  the proving grounds for the Cards
[02:35] <vychune> and neither did hockey
[02:35] <vychune> WHO CARES
[02:35] <binarymutant> golf didn't :D
[02:35] <vychune> lol
[02:35] <vychune> two words
[02:35] <binarymutant> althought I might watch golf if they did
[02:35] <vychune> tiger woods
[02:35] <vychune> lol
[02:36] <vychune> he need jesus
[02:36] <binarymutant> barry bonds needs jesus :P :P :P
[02:36] <vychune> LOL
[02:36] <vychune> .mike vick need jesus
[02:36] <vychune> lol
[02:36] <binarymutant> lol brb
[02:37] <vychune> and all three are black lol
[02:37] <vychune> ok
[02:45] <binarymutant> ouch
[02:46] <binarymutant> the white sports player needs jesus
[02:46] <vychune> a rod lol
[02:46] <binarymutant> mike vick? is that the pitbull guy?
[02:46] <vychune> yes
[02:47] <binarymutant> rofl sports players can get away with everything and still be able to play
[02:47] <binarymutant> it's horrible
[02:47] <vychune> yea
[02:48] <vychune> but in that case.....
[02:48] <vychune> 10 years for some dogs?! and he wasnt at home?
[02:48] <binarymutant> I saw a utk footballer beat down a cop on the strip, run from 20 cops, and prolly got away with it
[02:48] <vychune> wth?
[02:49] <vychune> HE DID WHAT!?!?!?!
[02:49] <binarymutant> true story ^^
[02:49] <vychune> smh
[02:49] <binarymutant> that was a crazy night. The entire kpd was on the strip
[02:50] <vychune> k'ville?
[02:50] <vychune> cool
[02:50] <binarymutant> ya
[02:50] <binarymutant> Occupy Sports Teams  (tm)
[02:51] <vychune> you going to the Ubuntu realease party?
[02:51] <vychune> LOL!!!!
[02:51] <binarymutant> can't make it to Nashville
[02:52] <binarymutant> maybe next year though, idk
[02:52] <binarymutant> it would be nice to do something online for it though, my participation has severly dropped in Ubuntu
[02:52] <binarymutant> karma: 0
[02:53] <vychune> my ubuntu drive has a burnt chip
[02:53] <binarymutant> brb fps time
[02:54] <vychune> k
[02:59] <vychune> Unit193: whered you run off to?
[02:59] <Unit193> Stupid wiki editing...
[02:59] <Unit193> And a PM
[03:02] <vychune> oh
[03:03] <Unit193> I took a shower at some point too, but I think that was before
[03:07] <vychune> lol ok
[03:07] <vychune> tmi
[03:12] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: pong
[03:12] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: i'm afraid i forget the reason for my original ping
[03:14] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: long pause in the middle, but before that we were talking about my habit of calling you pace_t_zulu still
[03:14] <cyberanger> so unless that's it, idk
[03:15] <johnhaitas> hmm
[03:15] <johnhaitas> what wiki package are you partial to
[03:15] <johnhaitas> if you have a favorite
[03:16] <johnhaitas> ohhh
[03:16] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: i see you're no longer in #tn-lug
[03:21] <binarymutant> mediawiki ftw
[03:21] <binarymutant> get tip though
[03:23] <johnhaitas> get tip?
[03:23] <vychune> lug?
[03:23] <johnhaitas> binarymutant:
[03:23] <vychune> johnhaitas: jug?
[03:23] <binarymutant> johnhaitas: head/tip whichever vcs slang you use
[03:23] <vychune> *lug
[03:23] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: head
[03:23] <binarymutant> git user ^
[03:23] <binarymutant> < hg user
[03:28] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: wikkawiki
[03:28] <cyberanger> and yeah, wasn't in my rejoin list (fixing as I notice, thanks for point out
[03:28] <cyberanger> adding now)
[03:29] <binarymutant> it's just you two in there though...
[03:30] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: haha
[03:33] <cyberanger> binarymutant: three's a crowd (just ask the last mutant I kicked outta there ;-))
[03:34] <binarymutant> cyberanger: do you know if the wikkawiki format different than mediawiki?
[03:36] <cyberanger> binarymutant: simple, I never learned the mediawiki format so I'd never know
[03:37] <binarymutant> oh
[03:37] <cyberanger> at least, never learned it that well
[03:37] <binarymutant> I like that I can export wikipedia stuff and put it on my own wiki for offline use
[03:37] <vychune> i tired to op myself lol
[03:37] <vychune> *tried
[03:38] <vychune> binarymutant:  wait you can do that?
[03:38] <vychune> cool
[03:39] <binarymutant> vychune: wikipedia uses mediawiki. I think that wikipedia is the mediawiki dev team, not sure though
[03:39] <vychune> oh ok
[03:40] <cyberanger> binarymutant: kinda pointless for me, wikipedia is very cache friendly, so it's always in offline use
[03:41] <cyberanger> (I've tweaked squid a ton to add back some offline support)
[03:41] <binarymutant> cyberanger: how big do you keep your cache?
[03:41] <binarymutant> that's pretty smart idea, never thought of that
[03:47] <cyberanger> uh, put it this way, squid has never used more than 60 some gigs, despite allowing 150GB or more
[03:47] <vychune> how do you make sure the wiki entries stay there?
[03:47] <binarymutant> !!
[03:48] <vychune> whoa
[03:48] <binarymutant> cyberanger: 1Tb?
[03:48] <cyberanger> binarymutant: no, 250GB
[03:48] <binarymutant> ah
[03:48] <cyberanger> vychune: not really a way, it's just a long list of tweaks that minimize it
[03:48] <binarymutant> \me struggling to make space as we speek
[03:48] <binarymutant> speak*
[03:49] <cyberanger> I can wget it & stick it on a local apache server as static content too (done that for some more stubborn stuff)
[03:49] <cyberanger> vychune: it's never been an issue
[03:51] <vychune> cool
[04:03] <binarymutant> !! This is dedication... http://cdn3.benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/6254669911_23f149f6bd_z.jpg
[04:04] <binarymutant> someone should have told him that it's a derivative...
[04:07] <vychune> awesome
[04:07] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: why wikkawiki over mediawiki?
[04:09] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: I know a developer or two more personally
[04:10] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: anything beyond personal sentiment?
[04:10] <cyberanger> and more expirence setting it up & running it
[04:10] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: is that your tat?
[04:10] <binarymutant> uh no
[04:10] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: good
[04:10] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: i nearly lost a lot of respect for you
[04:10] <johnhaitas> not for having a tat
[04:10] <johnhaitas> but having such a stupid one
[04:10] <binarymutant> not that crazy
[04:11] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: I've dealt with it via http://wiki.opennicproject.org so it's really not that personal
[04:11] <cyberanger> it's just what got in my hands quicker, with best results
[04:12] <vychune> snh
[04:12] <vychune> smh even
[04:13] <binarymutant> is opennic for bad/evil ISPs?
[04:13] <binarymutant> pretty cool project
[04:14] <cyberanger> binarymutant: define bad/evil ISPs
[04:14] <cyberanger> and um, no relation to ISP's in general (it's in reguards to DNS)
[04:14] <binarymutant> censorship happy
[04:15] <binarymutant> cyberanger: have you seen namecoin yet?
[04:15] <cyberanger> ah, well, we're uh, looking down that road further & further lately, (by we I might mean me, but there were more involved a few months ago, due to the great firewall of australia)
[04:16] <cyberanger> some sucesses actuall
[04:16] <cyberanger> actually
[04:17] <binarymutant> ^^ thats cool
[04:20] <binarymutant> opennic is a good idea, but it's still centralized. We (as in everyone) should be pushing more towards distributed dns instead
[04:25] <cyberanger> binarymutant: it's as centralized as jabber, it's good (sure, not full blown p2p, but that's a goal)
[04:27] <binarymutant> I mean I applaud the idea, but just think "full blown p2p" should be how it was written from the start instead of a far off goal
[04:31] <cyberanger> from the start, early 80's, when both security & censorship were well outside the mindset (well, todays version of security & censorship)
[04:31] <cyberanger> I think it works, DNS in current forum isn't the issue, it's meddling in DNS that's the real issue
[04:48] <binarymutant> nah (to me) centralization is the issue. OpenNic could become the next ICANN
[04:48] <binarymutant> 80s?
[04:49] <binarymutant> 2000 http://www.opennicproject.org/en/faq/31-general/63-how-did-the-opennic-get-its-start
[04:53] <cyberanger> binarymutant: 80's is the DNS model as it stands today, back to square one
[04:53] <binarymutant> ah
[04:53] <cyberanger> like I said, a goal a WIP, but we've worked out what works now too
[04:54] <cyberanger> if p2p takes off, great, but atm, where's it setup
[04:54] <cyberanger> which of a dozen projects to back
[04:54] <binarymutant> not really anywhere afaik
[04:57] <cyberanger> sorta the issue, nothing mainstream
[04:58] <binarymutant> true. But as long as opennic is centralized I see a major bug in how it works. What stops it from becoming ICANNized?
[05:04] <cyberanger> where is it centralized
[05:04] <cyberanger> just like where is jabber centralized
[05:05] <cyberanger> oh, a policy standpoint compared to ICANN, we're an equal democracy, every member a vote
[05:05] <cyberanger> compare that to ICANN
[05:05] <binarymutant> at the register
[05:06] <binarymutant> just like icann
[05:07] <binarymutant> and every member could vote to do something "bad" as well (problem with democracy). Better to setup a system that doesn't require votes
[05:09] <cyberanger> well, part of the issue is policy, part technonology
[05:10] <binarymutant> dns.opennic.glue  <-- central point
[05:10] <cyberanger> no policy, no collision avoidance, no tech (or poor tech) and invalid answers are a reisk (read MITM)
[05:11] <binarymutant> not for distributed ^
[05:11] <binarymutant> because your not getting your packets from just one place
[05:11] <cyberanger> binarymutant: on what server, it's just like jabber, block one server merely deprives the network of a server
[05:12] <cyberanger> binarymutant: well, if I went lower level, swapped all incoming data for my result, it's still a MITM on one chater wire in
[05:12] <binarymutant> I'm not sure all the details with opennic, but afaik you have to register your domain with them
[05:12] <binarymutant> just like with icann
[05:12] <cyberanger> ok, we both want binarymutant.us, who get's it?
[05:13] <cyberanger> we both have our distrubited systems set to take it
[05:13] <binarymutant> whoever registers it first according to icann and opennic
[05:13] <binarymutant> cyberanger: with distributive systems it's complicated. Both of us could have it
[05:13] <binarymutant> and you don't have a binarymutant.whatever you have a long long string
[05:14] <cyberanger> like I said, lacks collision avoidance
[05:14] <binarymutant> very complicated (which is distributive's problem)
[05:14] <cyberanger> a long long string nobody will use
[05:14] <cyberanger> exactly
[05:15] <cyberanger> there has to be a multipronged solution to this, tech & policy, including a policy of what's not acceptable (opennic's case, meddling with data, ICANN's case, a mere federation, where Verisign can screw with it as it sees fit)
[05:16] <binarymutant> with the long string in distributive dns's case the browser could support in a way that the "domain" is no longer needed
[05:17] <binarymutant> for example GETing the <title> of the page per every token and displaying that in bookmarks, or something along those lines.
[05:20] <cyberanger> so I have a long pain in the ... string on a business card for my website<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:20] <binarymutant> idk DNS is very complicated. Both have paradigms have their flaws that need to be worked around. I just think that if people truely want a way to get around censorship distributed will be the only way
[05:21] <binarymutant> no, it's like a bitcoin, you have to harvest the name tokens
[05:21] <cyberanger> yes, and I don't disagree with you there, but you mistake distributed for decentralized, and both for p2p, dropping the client server model
[05:21] <cyberanger> it won't catch on, for some reasons bitcoin can't catch on
[05:22] <binarymutant> if browsers were to support it better it could**
[05:22] <binarymutant> only time will tell :D
[05:22] <cyberanger> an email client isn't a browser
[05:22] <cyberanger> an IRC client isn't a browser
[05:22] <binarymutant> I'm talking strictly http right now
[05:22] <cyberanger> ever thought what those bitcoins are generating, cryptic data
[05:23] <binarymutant> yes. ^
[05:23] <binarymutant> that's why it's +1
[05:23] <cyberanger> replacing dns with http, involving really random strings, like an IP number
[05:23] <cyberanger> binarymutant: ever thought about what that data is, if it's really random
[05:24] <binarymutant> I'm not following :/
[05:24] <cyberanger> vs an effort by the NSA/GCHQ/FSB/MSS/Mossad so on for cluster computing, brute forcing
[05:25] <cyberanger> it's selling GPU cycles, who's saying how much a bitcoin is worth
[05:26] <binarymutant> ...complicated thoughts hurt brain
[05:26] <cyberanger> who's controlling bitcoin
[05:27] <binarymutant> no one...
[05:27] <cyberanger> really, then who's Satoshi Nakamoto
[05:27] <binarymutant> the dev
[05:29] <cyberanger> one dev, your positive
[05:30] <binarymutant> the original dev I think
[05:30] <binarymutant> not sure where your going with this...
[05:31] <cyberanger> it's an alias
[05:32] <cyberanger> it's an alias
[05:33] <binarymutant> so is cyberanger ... it doesn't matter if it's alias to me
[05:33] <binarymutant> it is floss https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
[05:33] <cyberanger> and bitcoin looks like it could be a cluster computer, meant for cryptnalsys
[05:34] <cyberanger> Cryptanalysis for who, well, why pick & choose
[05:35] <cyberanger> it looks like an attempt to weaken cryptographic ciphers
[05:36] <binarymutant> uhh where do you see this?
[05:40] <cyberanger> there is similarities in function to this and an md5 collision attack, ULTRA in WWII as well
[05:41] <binarymutant> I don't see it, but I prolly wouldn't though
[05:41] <cyberanger> I'm not stating it as fact, it's a suspicion, but it's alot of suspicion, for a finanicial network, I'd be wanting more
[05:42] <cyberanger> I mean, hunches here, similar output (not even saying it's bitcoins design, merely a tool in the workshop, like aircrack-ng is only a peice of breaking wep)
[05:43] <binarymutant> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/README
[05:45] <binarymutant> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths  good one too
[05:50] <cyberanger> seen both before
[05:54] <binarymutant> because it's floss it's been peer reviewed by a lot of ppl, I trust their judgement. I don't think it's a malicious program at all
[15:09] <wrst> this is interesting: http://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu/ubuntu-1204-to-feature-extended-support-period-for-desktop-users/10150335032536546
[15:52] <cyberanger> binarymutant: it's only reviewing that code (and I'm not saying bitcoin is hiding code, just that somebody went to a lot of trouble to setup that alias, and then drops off, his dream wasn't complete, why drop off)
[16:03] <Unit193> wrst: Yep, here's something too https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-October/034275.html
[16:10] <cyberanger> Unit193: the guy got the codename wrong again, we both know it's pink panther or puffy penguin (puffy due to bloat)
[16:11] <cyberanger> it will be intresting to see where that goes
[16:14] <Unit193> Read again, I don't think it's a guy
[16:16] <cyberanger> I meant it generically, she's a coder, a sysadmin, one of the guys
[16:16] <cyberanger> but uh, yeah, your right
[16:17] <cyberanger> she got the codename wrong again, we both know it's pink panther or puffy penguin (puffy due to bloat)
[16:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^^^^
[16:21] <Unit193> Yep, and I wonder if they talked to the flavors...
[16:27] <cyberanger> welll....
[16:27]  * cyberanger bites his tounge
[16:47] <Unit193> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/10/21/ubuntu-12-04-to-feature-extended-support-period-for-desktop-users/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ubuntu-news+%28Ubuntu+News%29
[16:48] <cyberanger> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/10/21/ubuntu-12-04-to-feature-extended-support-period-for-desktop-users/
[16:48] <cyberanger> cleaned link
[17:03] <Unit193> Yep
[17:49] <binarymutant> cyberanger: an alias doesn't automatically mean malicious. We use aliases and a lot of initial devs will release code to the public and have the community control the rest of the development.
[18:04] <cyberanger> binarymutant: agreed, but the extent of questions I see in the overall picture, leaves me to wonder on this one
[18:14] <electricus> wow guys..i'm so proud of myself.. i migrated my first real production mail server to a kvm guest
[18:15] <electricus> what a job that was.. i think i did attempted it 10x before I got it (not so proud of that part)
[18:15] <Unit193> Congrats!
[18:27] <cyberanger> wb binarymutant
[18:27] <electricus> rip out/reinstall pray
[18:28] <cyberanger> electricus: didn't hear about that one, yeah, something with practice
[18:28] <electricus> oh..i won't bore you too much lol.. but it was crazy
[18:29] <electricus> i still have a little massaging to do to that machine.. like ensuring services start in the init process and in the right order.. right now after a reboot, i have to manually restart some services in a certain order
[18:29] <electricus> more research...ughh
[18:30] <cyberanger> I think migrations is one of those things where practice merely takes the edge off, something in the nature of migrations, you can get used to them, but never quite get comfortable
[18:30] <electricus> can you just simply rename the S##service in the rc3.d dir?
[18:31] <electricus> to make them start in the order you want?
[18:41] <johnhaitas> hey ubotuTN ... welcome back
[19:16] <binarymutant> gaaah stop reconnecting
[19:16] <Unit193> Stay disconnected?
[19:17] <binarymutant> did that for a couple years already, no fun.
[19:17] <binarymutant> how about stay connected :D
[19:18] <Unit193> ^^
[20:49] <cyberanger> binarymutant: years?
[20:49]  * cyberanger didn't notice
[21:03] <binarymutant> :P
[21:04] <Unit193> Well, in a way I noticed when I first got here...
[21:07] <cyberanger> oops, I meant I didn't realize how long (man time really flies eh)
[22:57] <johnhaitas> gross
[23:07] <Unit193> You split off all by yourself
[23:16] <binarymutant> hey we made the news again: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111020/11465616440/tsa-decides-terrorists-must-be-driving-partners-with-tenn-law-enforcement-to-randomly-search-vehicles.shtml
[23:53] <vychune> o/
[23:59] <vychune> ping xpistos
[23:59] <vychune> ^accident


[00:41] <oerheks> facebook instagram, tiktok .. oh dear https://krausefx.com/blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-what-javascript-commands-get-executed-in-an-in-app-browser
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:02] <oerheks> hi lotus, read and shiver .. facebook instagram, tiktok .. oh dear https://krausefx.com/blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-what-javascript-commands-get-executed-in-an-in-app-browser
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> brrrr
[09:16] <matt3> ice ice baby xD
[09:18] <matt3> to everybody : https://youtu.be/mSiAVUz0Blg
[09:28] <matt3> ice baby => a new one baby ;D ...
[09:40] <matt3> is there a linux girl ?
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> matt3: this channel is meant for discussions, not random monologues
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> matt3: perhaps wait until someone actualy talks to you?
[09:41] <matt3> ok i apologize
[10:34] <matt3> what about a gpt + uefi tutorial ?
[10:36] <oerheks> !uefi
[10:36] <oerheks> !gpt
[10:37] <matt3> thanks oerheks
[10:37] <oerheks> also https://odm.ubuntu.com/docs/ubuntu-bios-uefi-requirements.pdf
[10:43] <matt3> thank you, a little at a time will read  everything ...
[10:54] <matt3> U = unified => ok ... no ultra ...
[12:17] <Chunkyz> Afternoon 🙂
[12:18] <wez> Evening
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[22:16] <enigma9o7[m]> on 22.04.1
[22:18] <sarnold> "disk free"? "usage"? heh
[22:28] <enigma9o7[m]> Well it makes more sense in context with the article I took the image from https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/18/ubuntu_remixes/ as he descirbes how each was tested in a VM with same size disk/ram.
[22:29] <enigma9o7[m]> I think t hese days very few people considering Ubuntu should care about disk space of the OS based on which desktop they get.  Even for a 15 year old computer, you can buy a 128GB SSD for $20, so disk really shouldnt matter anymore.
[23:21] <sarnold> where it kind of matters imho is when you've got ten thousand containers or five hundred VMs running on a single machine
[23:21] <sarnold> in those places, all that adds up pretty heavy
[23:22] <sarnold> but "I have a 30 gig hard drive in my desktop" isn't a very useful datapoint, and when *two* of those columns can be (a) trivially computed from the first column and (b) one of them gives wildly different results based on the external qualities...
[23:22] <sarnold> would it be useful if I say that each one has left 99.9% of the drive space free when installed on my big machine in the basement? :)


[15:21] <didrocks> @mir-team: I still have one work day before my end of year holidays (Thursday), so I can take an easy MIR (but I still have a lot of things to wrap up). Then, you can assign to me anything that is not urgent and can be looked at in January!
[15:29] <sarnold> good morning
[15:29] <jbicha> \o
[15:29] <cpaelzer> Slightly delayed ...
[15:29] <cpaelzer> oO
[15:29] <slyon> o/
[15:29] <eslerm> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> one more minute
[15:33] <joalif> o/
[15:33] <cpaelzer> arrrrrr
[15:33] <cpaelzer> do you mind to start
[15:33] <cpaelzer> I can read already
[15:34] <cpaelzer> but not yet stee rthis
[15:34] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:34] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:34:25 UTC.  The chair is slyon.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:34] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[15:34] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[15:34] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:34] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:34] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:34] <slyon> c-m looks all clean and known
[15:34] <slyon> c-m-p:
[15:35] <slyon> there seems to be some progress on jaraco.text.
[15:35] <slyon> I remember the desktop team agreed to look into pipewire, so this is still pending
[15:36] <jbicha> yes, no progress on pipewire yet but it's on our list
[15:36] <slyon> Foundations is working to demote libio-prompter-perl (which is a devscripts Recommends for Salsa integration)
[15:36] <sarnold> yay
[15:36] <slyon> IIRC the server team agreed to take responsibility for libmail-dkim-perl
[15:36] <slyon> So I'd say everything is being handled, but still in flight.
[15:37] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[15:37] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:37] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:37] <slyon> bug #1977614
[15:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1977614 in fdk-aac-free (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fdk-aac-free" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1977614
[15:37] <slyon> jbicha: what's the state on this? Are the testing requirements (#0 & #1) already resolved?
[15:38] <jbicha> fdk-aac-free was last assigned to Security. I repackaged (fdk-aac-free instead of fdk-aac) and removed the incomplete tag
[15:38] <jbicha> I haven't added the 0 and 1 tests yet
[15:39] <slyon> Okay. I can see it's still on the security board TODO. But is also still pending the #0 and #1 requirements.
[15:39] <slyon> I think this should be back to Incomplete, until the MIR requirements are resolved, while security review could continue in parallel.
[15:39] <sarnold> has the code or packaging changed enough to justify / require a new mir-team review?
[15:39] <slyon> jbicha: are you OK with that?
[15:40] <jbicha> sarnold: some code was removed. I believe the security review was paused before it was completed
[15:40] <jbicha> slyon: yes, I'd like to proceed in parallel
[15:40] <eslerm> in JIRA, fdk-aac is blocked, I can remove that and add it to the to-do pile
[15:41] <sarnold> I can't recall if it was paused or just never started, heh; anyway, it sounds like we ought to start in on it rather than waiting for another pass through the mir review process
[15:41] <eslerm> once the LP is assigned back to Security
[15:42] <slyon> IMO removal of (non-free) code wouldn't justify a re-MIR..
[15:42] <eslerm> it was not started, due to licensing conflicts being resolved
[15:42] <slyon> is everybody OK to unblock it on the security queue and assing it to ~ubuntu-security on LP?
[15:42] <sarnold> slyon: yeah, if that's the only / big change, that makes sense to me. I didn't know if this was an entirely new codebase aiming to provide the same feature, or what exactly might have changed
[15:42] <slyon> while jbicha will work on resolving the testing MIR requirements in parallel?
[15:42] <sarnold> wfm
[15:42] <eslerm> +1 for me
[15:43] <slyon> ok, let's do that!
[15:43] <cpaelzer> fully here now, thanks slyon!
[15:44] <slyon> bug #2044535
[15:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2044535 in libgssglue (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libgssglue" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2044535
[15:44] <cpaelzer> keep going if you dd not mind
[15:44] <slyon> I found consensus for ~foundations-bugs to take ownership of this package. So the MIR process can start.
[15:44] <cpaelzer> Thanks for unblocking the ownership on this one
[15:44] <cpaelzer> I can take this one
[15:44] <slyon> joalif: would you be interested in taking this review?
[15:44] <slyon> oh, ok. cpaelzer it is :)
[15:44] <joalif> yes
[15:44] <cpaelzer> there are 4 in the queue, there will be one for each of us :-)
[15:45] <slyon> the others are from the server team, so let's assign this one to cpaelzer
[15:45] <slyon> bug #2030880
[15:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2030880 in libemail-mime-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libemail-mime-perl (libmail-dmarc-perl dependency)" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030880
[15:47] <slyon> looks like this MIR might be on hold, while #2 is being resolved/reviewed.
[15:48] <slyon> I might be able to double check Miriam's work here.
[15:48] <slyon> (as it was my initial recommendation)
[15:48] <slyon> I'll be out soon for end-of-year break, though. So it might take a while
[15:48] <slyon> bug #2023971
[15:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2023971 in libmail-dmarc-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmail-dmarc-perl" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023971
[15:48] <cpaelzer> mirespace: ^^ FYI
[15:49] <slyon> cpaelzer: can you elaborate on the overall status of the libmail-dmarc-perl status?
[15:49] <mirespace> o/ I'm taking notes :)
[15:49] <cpaelzer> slyon: yes, mirespace please correct me where I'm wrong
[15:50] <cpaelzer> overall many of the sub-dependencies have by now been approved or at least are in the progress towards that
[15:50] <sarnold> I wish launchpad could show a diff when the description changed..
[15:50] <cpaelzer> thereby the main bug, which is 2023971 itself has now gotten into the MIR queue
[15:50] <mirespace> right
[15:50] <cpaelzer> So it looks for a reviewer
[15:51] <mirespace> the news on that is:
[15:51] <slyon> ok, thanks. joalif could you take the libemail-mime-perl review then?
[15:51] <joalif> yes
[15:52] <sarnold> slyon: is that the right packageg name? I thought you were taking it again since you'd done the first pass?
[15:52] <sarnold> (or just that specific commit?)
[15:52] <slyon> err. sorry, wrong tab.
[15:53] <joalif> i think slyon means libmail-dmarc-perl
[15:53] <mirespace> The only pending, apart from libmail-dmarc-itself  is the refactor for not using libnet-ip-perl
[15:53] <slyon> libmail-dmarc-perl exactly
[15:53] <slyon> mirespace: that's good to know. And I think it can continue in parallel
[15:53]  * slyon assigning joalif to libmail-dmarc-perl
[15:54] <cpaelzer> indeed
[15:54] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:54] <slyon> That concludes the list
[15:54] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:54] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:54] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:54] <cpaelzer> only https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmatch-simple-perl/+bug/2042100 is new here
[15:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2042100 in libmatch-simple-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmatch-simple-perl (libio-prompter-perl dependency)" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[15:55] <cpaelzer> which was due to realizing the dependencies were different
[15:55] <cpaelzer> nothing to act for us AFAIS
[15:55] <cpaelzer> +C
[15:55] <slyon> also bug #2039456 sounds ready. cpaelzer can you take care of that?
[15:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2039456 in libnet-ip-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libnet-ip-perl (as libmail-dmarc-perl dependency)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039456
[15:55] <sarnold> ack, that seems like foundation deciding what to do will make it clear
[15:56] <slyon> yes, libmatch-simple-perl will probably go away
[15:56] <cpaelzer> I'll mark it as ready, we'll promote all of them together eventually
[15:56] <slyon> thx!
[15:56] <slyon> then we head a tracking update on dbus-broker (bug #2015538) which we don't need to act upon
[15:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538
[15:56] <slyon> thanks eslerm for driving it!
[15:56] <slyon> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[15:57] <slyon> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[15:57] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[15:57] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[15:57] <cpaelzer> nothing new
[15:57] <eslerm> my manager asked me to take on more cross-team distro work
[15:57] <eslerm> next year I will put a big focus on helping build the Rust base set. hoping to become a ppu/packageset maintainer for some Rust packages as well
[15:57] <eslerm> vendored base set*
[15:57] <slyon> There's an update on https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/35
[15:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 35 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "RFC: Introduce 'base-sets' for vendored dependencies" [Open]
[15:58] <slyon> I'm glad to hear that eslerm !
[15:58]  * slyon looking forward
[15:58] <cpaelzer> so far it is a capacity decision to not be able to do such sets
[15:58] <slyon> Maybe someone who attended the in-person MIR meeting in Riga can comment on that.
[15:58] <cpaelzer> let us see if your contribution can help to overcome this
[15:59] <slyon> eslerm: is there any specific clarification on the base-sets that you want to discuss right now?
[15:59] <slyon> otherwise let's move on, as we're already at the top of the hour
[15:59] <eslerm> I don't
[15:59] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[15:59] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[15:59] <slyon> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
[15:59] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[16:00] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[16:00] <slyon> Internal link
[16:00] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[16:00] <eslerm> two SpamAssassin related perl packages will likey have Security reviews completed this week
[16:00] <eslerm> pydantic is in progress
[16:00] <cpaelzer> I'm out for a conflict again, sorry
[16:00] <eslerm> fdk-aac is assigned, and review will begin after holiday break
[16:00] <eslerm> fips team members may work on the libgssglue MIR when assigned to us
[16:00] <slyon> this sounds like good progress, thanks!
[16:00] <sarnold> oh that seems like a good fit :)
[16:00] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[16:01] <sarnold> eoy holidays are upon us, I've got one more of these meetings inthe year, and not a whole lot of time -- I imagine others are similar :)
[16:01] <slyon> right. this has been my last meeting for this year.
[16:01] <sarnold> how many will be around for this meeting next week? if it's just me, I'd rather skip it :)
[16:01] <slyon> Have a good break everybody!
[16:02] <slyon> If nothing else. That's it for today.
[16:02] <slyon> Thanks all! o/
[16:02] <eslerm> thanks all o/
[16:02] <sarnold> thanks slyon, all :)
[16:02] <slyon> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:02:41 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-12-05-15.34.moin.txt
[16:03] <slyon> (people can still answer to seth's question above about next week's meeting). If quorum is too low, it can be skipped :)
[16:42] <didrocks> sarnold: as told pre-meeting, I won’t be around next week either
[19:59] <amurray_> o/
[20:13]  * vorlon waves
[20:13] <vorlon> I guess we don't have quorum today
[20:28] <sil2100> o/
[20:28] <sil2100> Sorry for being late
[20:43] <vorlon> amurray, sil2100: are you still around? sorry, since we didn't have quorum I stepped outside to hang the Christmas lights; but I could chair if we are all here again at the same time
[20:43] <sil2100> I am still here
[21:04] <sarnold> good job finding a less-rainy time to do that :)
[21:18] <sil2100> o/
[21:56] <amurray> vorlon: apologies, I dropped off to make breakfast


[02:53] <randomname> Is there a file selector in the Ubuntu SDK?
[02:54] <randomname> I want to give the user the option to select one of the pictures on their device
[07:47] <_5m0k3> What is the radius of curvature for UbuntuShape "small"
[08:27] <_5m0k3> it's scales.  odd
[08:27] <_5m0k3> it*
[13:44] <narekb> Hi, I just learned of the App Showdown, and I'd like to ask if the judges may score differently based on the languages used to make the app
[13:44] <narekb> (i.e. will a C++ app score more than a JS one?)
[15:41] <mhmdyce> Hi
[16:01] <mefrio> hi guys is there a way to display a photo selector in my ubuntu touch app??
[18:18] <Cantide> is there any documentation about accessing the phone's hardware? (i.e. turning on the flash or accessing the gps)
[19:04] <Momo> Hi, I'm planning on porting a CLI c++ program throught the ubuntu SDK for ubuntu touch. The program loads youtube videos, strips the video and adds an album cover in the mp3 tag. Due to the use of libraries and popen i'm not sure what the best way to port this is...
[19:05] <Momo> any advice would be great, even if it is a straight up "Sorry not possible"
[19:06] <mefrio> hey guys :) can someone help me there: http://askubuntu.com/questions/331331/photo-selector-api-for-ubuntu-touch ??
[20:12] <Cantide> where can i find info about the Ubuntu Touch OSK ? Is it an app, can another keyboard be written as part of the App Showdown?


[21:48]  * adom taps microphone.
[21:48] <adom> This thing on?
[21:50] <adom> trying out an ignore regex pattern to hide all the ChanServ ops for ubuntourist...hoping I didn't ignore all messages.
[21:50] <adom> it's tricky in irssi but I still love it


[23:58] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack reported by someone in #ubuntu as out-of-date, no package xserver-xorg-hwe-22.04 exists?
[23:59]  * guiverc departing real soon & no time (currently) to explore/correct, thus the mention here


[01:50] <thejoe> Hello.  A patch similar to the one applied to ubuntu kernels in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1587714 has finally landed upstream in 4.13.  The patch is slightly different though, and the fact that the current ubuntu patch is no longer required may not get caught if your team relies on merge conflicts to catch it.  What's the best way to ensure that it doesn't get applied to 4.13+/artful kernels?  Thanks.
[12:56] <tseliot> sforshee: hey, 340 and 304 and in artful-proposed now. Thanks
[13:09] <sforshee> tseliot: awesome, thanks!


[05:19] <cpaelzer> bjonnh: If you don't insist on custom install options and instead would be ok to customize an instance at deploy time then I'd recommend taking a look at either multipass (has a libvirt option that is not the deault) or uvtool
[05:20] <cpaelzer> so much less complexity and much faster than virt-install
[07:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:21] <j_c> Hi anyone using , Ubuntu server 18 with more than 1 NIC cards? I am not able to bring network up on the second NIC. Same issue on Ubuntu server 16.04 as well
[09:30] <cpaelzer> j_c: I have multiple nics, but they work for me
[09:31] <cpaelzer> and with a VM guest with mutliple cards everyone can easily try, what happens on your system when you say "not able to bring network up on the second NIC" ?
[09:33] <cpaelzer> by default the further devices are offline in my case
[09:33] <cpaelzer> but you can follow e.g. https://netplan.io/examples#connecting-multiple-interfaces-with-dhcp (whatever matches your config needs)
[09:34] <cpaelzer> with that I get all three devices up just fine, so please outline what your issue exactly is
[09:35] <cpaelzer> maybe start with an output of "ip link" "ip addr" and your netplan config in  /etc/netplan/
[09:42] <j_c> @cpaelzer: Ip link and ip addr everything works fine. I am not able to connect to the server using the second NIC
[09:46] <cpaelzer> j_c: was so kind to keep the data to a query - thanks
[09:48] <cpaelzer> j_c: so you have setup two distinct networks
[09:48] <cpaelzer> 10.1.14.x which you can reach via the first NIC
[09:48] <cpaelzer> and 10.2.14.x which is the second NIC
[09:48] <j_c> Yes, two different networks. I am able to connect using 10.1.14.x, but not able to connect to 10.2.14.x
[09:49] <cpaelzer> do I understand correctly that on the second NIC there is a network 10.2.14.x and you can't reach any of those 10.2.14.x systems?
[09:49] <j_c> Yes, you are correct. I am not able to connect to the server using 10.2.14.x
[09:49] <cpaelzer> can you send me (in the query) the output of "ip route"
[09:50] <j_c> sent
[09:51] <cpaelzer> ok, LGTM 10.2.14.x should go out of eno2 in your case
[09:51] <cpaelzer> what command exactly does "try to connect" mean?
[09:52] <lordievader> j_c: What do you see on a tcpdump on that interface? For example with a ping, do you see the host responding?
[09:52] <j_c> I tried to ping , ssh
[09:52] <cpaelzer> yep, good next questions lordievader
[09:52] <cpaelzer> and to be sure on the routing
[09:53] <cpaelzer> what does "ip route get <targetip>" give?
[09:53] <cpaelzer> should be ... via eno2
[09:53] <j_c> i don't see that, sent you the output
[09:55] <cpaelzer> ok so the routing is broken
[09:55] <cpaelzer> here a valid example:
[09:56] <j_c> if add the routing manually, after the restart the routing information is lost.
[09:56] <cpaelzer> <IP_ADDRESS> via <IP_ADDRESS> dev ens8 src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 1000
[09:56] <cpaelzer> yeah, you want to find why it is broken
[09:56] <cpaelzer> not manually add routes
[09:56] <lordievader> Systemd-networkd, netplan, networkmanager adding routes?
[09:59] <j_c> cpaelzer: Okey. I will check that.
[10:00] <j_c> @<lordievader> : i sent tcpdump to you
[10:01] <lordievader> You did? I'm on matrix, maybe the PM invite hasn't arrived yet.
[10:02] <j_c> root@h019:~# tcpdump -i eno2
[10:02] <j_c> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
[10:02] <j_c> listening on eno2, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:21.615095 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:22.072618 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:22.134786 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:22.351513 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:22.615112 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:23.072670 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:23.134753 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:23.351472 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:23.615154 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:24.073711 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:24.178287 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:24.354421 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:24.371219 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:24.615194 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:25.076653 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:25.174792 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:25.351543 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <lordievader> !paste
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:25.367581 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:25.614942 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:02] <j_c> 10:00:26.076689 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:26.174812 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:26.351530 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <lordievader> Hrm, no bot?
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:26.367552 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:26.614897 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:27.096251 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:27.176037 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:27.368756 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:27.622547 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:27.631496 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:28.092703 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:28.174807 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:28.367566 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:28.619542 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:28.630902 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:29.043471 LLDP, length 46
[10:03] <lordievader> Anyhow, you can use a pastebin service, rather than pasting directly into here.
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:29.092648 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> 10:00:29.174832 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46
[10:03] <j_c> sorry, next time. I will not post
[10:03] <lordievader> Is .116 localhost? If so, you are not responding to ARP it seems.
[10:03] <j_c> sure, I will use it from next time.
[10:04] <j_c> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m4dBNpNDkM/
[10:06] <cpaelzer> lordievader: he is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:06] <j_c> yes, my second NIC has <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:07] <cpaelzer> j_c: you checked the route for your own ip "ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>"
[10:07] <cpaelzer> what happens if you use the actual target IP
[10:08] <j_c> I am not able to ping or ssh the server.
[10:08] <j_c> root@h019:~# ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:08] <j_c> local <IP_ADDRESS> dev lo src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 0
[10:08] <j_c>     cache <local>
[10:08] <cpaelzer> but .119 is you
[10:09] <cpaelzer> if you happen to try to reach .120 then use that in the "ip route get" command
[10:09] <j_c> yes, .119 is the current server. I am able to ssh from <IP_ADDRESS> not using the <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:10] <j_c> even that server has same issue, I configured it. I will check some other server which is working
[10:11] <j_c> root@h019:~# ip route get <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <j_c> <IP_ADDRESS> dev eno2 src <IP_ADDRESS> uid 0
[10:11] <j_c> .117 is another server which I am able to use with second NIC. above output is for that server
[10:18] <cpaelzer> ok so it tries to leave on eno2
[10:19] <cpaelzer> now as lordievader asked - when you try like ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>while being on <IP_ADDRESS> - what does tcpdump (just for eno2) show on both systems?
[10:22] <TJ-> j_c: are these systems connected to a common switch or a router?
[11:02] <j_c> Tj-: it is connected to a switch.
[11:03] <TJ-> j_c: I've had recent exerperience of a switch that does offloading 'eating' ARP replies and the symptoms appear the same as yours
 and <lordievader> tcpdump while showd an extra message
[11:03] <j_c> 10:53:16.488770 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.32176 > h019.ssh: Flags [S], seq<PHONE_NUMBER>, win 16384, options [mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 3,nop,nop,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 0], length 0
[11:04] <j_c> Tj-: I think , I need to learn many of basic things in networking. But I will find more details, about the switch first. Thanks for the info
[11:06] <lordievader> On what side is that? Client or server?
[11:06] <TJ-> j_c: a diagnostic method I used to determine that was to run tcpdump on both hosts; I then saw: trasmitter sends Who-Has, receiver receives Who-Has, sends I-Have, transmitter never sees the I-Have
 : are you talking about -- 10:00:28.092703 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 46 --  These messages are due to the server which is done.
[11:07] <TJ-> j_c: all done whilst ensuring neither host had any firewall rules in place and no weird routes
[11:08] <j_c> .116 is down. I am more concern about .117, which is not able to connect to network
[11:08] <j_c> sorry ... .119 ***
[11:09] <TJ-> j_c: ahhh, I must have come in after you reported that, I arrived when you were flooding the channel!
[11:09] <TJ-> j_c: you have local console access to .119 ?
[11:09] <j_c> sorry for that--- yes, my second NIC has <IP_ADDRESS>, which I am not able to ping or ssh
[11:11] <TJ-> j_c: right, so, first prove that NIC can *receive* any packets at all (This is to prove the receivce side of the phy layer is not asleep/low-powered) "tpcdump -ni <ifname>" -- you ought to see IPv6 RAs, possible STP and other broadcasts from the network. If you see nothing after a minute or so its worth investigating if the NIC hardware is 'asleep'
[11:13] <TJ-> j_c: secondly, are VLANs in use on the switch or this host?
[11:13] <j_c> root@h019:~# tcpdump -ni eno2
[11:13] <j_c> 11:12:08.808791 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.17164 > <IP_ADDRESS>.22: Flags [S], seq<PHONE_NUMBER>, win 16384, options [mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 3,nop,nop,TS val<PHONE_NUMBER> ecr 0], length 0
[11:14] <j_c> I am not sure , why length is 0 , which trying to ssh
[11:14] <TJ-> j_c: you're listening on <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:14] <j_c> No, there are no vlan.
[11:15] <j_c> Yes, I am listening on  eno2 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[11:16] <j_c> If I change the netplan settings. second NIC is coming up, in that case first NIC is going down
[11:17] <j_c> I think, this is more of a routing issue. But I am not able to find solution.
[11:17] <TJ-> j_c: so you've got 2 NICs on the .119, both connected to the same switch?
[11:18] <j_c> Yes. but they are in two different networks. 1 nic is <IP_ADDRESS>. second nic is <IP_ADDRESS>.
[11:19] <TJ-> j_c: right, but they're connected to the same switch?
[11:20] <j_c> Yes, they are connected to the same switch
[11:21] <TJ-> j_c: I'm trying to build a picture of the layout. What is/are the issues? You've just said when 1 NIC is brought up the other goes down, but you've also been talking about a SSH packet being 0 length
[11:23] <TJ-> j_c: can you show "pastebinit <( ip link; ip route; ip addr; sudo iptables -S )"
[11:24] <j_c> Network is the main issue. <cpaelzer> and <lordievader> asked me to do tcpdump while connecting to the server using ssh. the above log shows, when I am trying to do ssh to the server using second NIC.
[11:25] <TJ-> j_c: what is the IP address of the host you're SSH-ing from? is it <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:27] <j_c> I am trying ssh from firewall. Firewall has public IP.
[11:27] <j_c> ( ip link; ip route; ip addr; sudo iptables -S ) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4G5KyxJbBT/
 : that is on server side. I connected to server using first NIC card and running tcpdump on the second NIC. While trying to ssh using secind NIC ip, I am getting that line.
[11:39] <TJ-> j_c: aha, the issue will be your default route is taking traffic for <IP_ADDRESS> which is going to have a src address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:40] <TJ-> j_c: if you want <IP_ADDRESS> to be using eno2 then you need an additional route of the form "ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eno2 src <IP_ADDRESS>"
[11:45] <j_c> Tj- if add that, if it works. Does it work after reboot?
[11:45] <TJ-> j_c: you'd have to add the route into your network configuration
[11:47] <j_c> On ubuntu 16: it will be /etc/network/interfaces but on Ubuntu 18, should i add that to same path or netplan?
[11:48] <TJ-> j_c: you can add additional routes in the netplan config
[11:49] <j_c> Tj- same, after adding the command. Second NIC is working, but I am not able to ssh to server using first NIC
[11:49] <TJ-> j_c: from <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:52] <TJ-> j_c: that is expected - as I said earlier, you've connected both NICs to the same Ethernet switch, and you've got <IP_ADDRESS> connected to that switch, so unless you partition things with VLANs .119 is only reachable via one or the other NICS, not both
[11:54] <j_c> Hoo ok. Thanks TJ-. I will check about more details. I don't have complete information about the switch.
[11:56] <TJ-> j_c: if you have <IP_ADDRESS> another IP address, it would be possible on .119 to have two rules that route via .2 or .1 based on source IP from the remote SSH host. on the SSH remote host you'd have to ensure you could force the source-IP too, which may rquire policy routing table
[12:00] <j_c> TJ-: I have one more question, but on other servers, where it is working. They have some different routing rules
[12:01] <TJ-> j_c: do they have multiple NICs connected to the same switch in the same way?
[12:01] <TJ-> j_c: maybe they also have some policy routing tables?
[12:02] <j_c> yes. they are also connected to same switch. two NICs
[12:05] <j_c> TJ- can i add something like this and make it work. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rqKvS6rzS4/
[12:10] <TJ-> j_c: aha, see that has the default with "onlink"
[12:12] <lordievader> j_c: Rather than testing ssh, I'd start with icmp. See if echo requests are coming in on the other point, replies going out and being received.
[12:12] <lordievader> I.e. tcpdump with a filter on icmp on both ends.
[12:12] <TJ-> j_c: "onlink pretend that the nexthop is directly attached to this link, even if it does not match any interface prefix"
[13:21] <coreycb> jamespage: python-oslo.log was removed from proposed yesterday fyi
[13:21] <coreycb> jamespage: nm i see you have your new version in proposed now
[13:24] <coreycb> jamespage: seems your new upload is still picking up the bad proposed package that was removed
[13:24] <jamespage> hmm
[13:27] <coreycb> jamespage: probably can force oslo.config to depend on >= new oslo.log version
[13:29] <jamespage> coreycb: not until its built...
[13:29] <jamespage> I suspect the binary package needs removing as well
[13:29] <coreycb> jamespage: yeah ok. let me ping in #ubuntu-release.
[13:45] <Ussat> OK, so I now have DLPAR working w/Ubuntu on PPCLE :)
[13:45] <Ussat> \o/
[13:47] <jamespage> coreycb: sorry I'd not realized that we'd not rebuilt
[13:49] <coreycb> jamespage: np i didn't realize the order of events
[14:23] <coreycb> sahid: python-cinderclient merged/uploaded for eoan, thanks
[14:28] <sahid> coreycb: thanks for the review and fixes you made
[14:43] <bjonnh> hi cpaelzer I ended up doing a iso with cloud-init config and using the cloudimg. Works beautifuly.
[14:43] <bjonnh> I'm going to try with minimal image now
[14:48] <bjonnh> hmmm minimal doesn't autoload cloud-init…
[14:48] <bjonnh> too bad
[15:53] <bjonnh> weird the minimal image doesn't seem to even have any network so I can't even debug it…
[16:01] <bryce> given an installed snap package, is there a way to get snap to tell me the git repo (if any) for that package?
[16:13] <sdeziel> bryce: snap info $package might give you a link in the description
[16:16] <coreycb> jamespage: sahid: nova snapshot is uploaded for train - note I had to deal with CRLFs with core.autocrlf before importing the tarball.
[16:18] <bryce> sdeziel, thanks, but yeah that was first place I looked.  guessing it's not being tracked then
[16:18] <sdeziel> bryce: I'd take a look at the web page on the snapstore then
[16:20] <coreycb> jamespage: sahid: i think i have the current train backport issues sorted out too
[16:30] <bryce> sdeziel, ok thanks
[16:33] <bjonnh> finally
[16:33] <bjonnh> so the minimal image didn't work with cloud-init data on ext4, didn't work on iso, but it works with vfat…