[00:00] <apachelogger> Mamarok: well, on mine, and since I am the primary user of that library... ;)
[00:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: in the futur I’ll do such things on my grand PC :P
[00:07] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that sounds like a super computer cluster with 5k nodes ^^
[00:09] <debfx> are we going to use libgpod4 or libgpod4-nogtk for maverick?
[00:09] <apachelogger> libgpod4
[00:10] <apachelogger> IIRC amarok does not even work anymore without gtk
[00:11] <debfx> kipi-plugins build-deps on libgpod-nogtk-dev but doesn't depend on libgpod* at all
[00:11] <debfx> that's strange
[00:17] <bulldog98> apachelogger: next time I’ll do such things on my big PC
[00:18] <apachelogger> bulldog98: same thing ^^
[00:18] <debfx> why have we disabled mysqle_amarok_local_errmsg_feature.diff? the changelog doesn't mention anything
[00:27] <Daskreech> larsivi_: what's libglew needed for?
[00:52] <bulldog98> Riddell: build finished
[00:52] <lex79> Daskreech: we need libglew in main to build kdeedu
[00:59] <bulldog98> Riddell: what to do if they are build succesfully?
[01:02] <lex79> bulldog98: we have to clean ninja ppa before uploading 4.4.4, we have 4.4.80 in ninja now
[01:02] <bulldog98> lex79: I can’t upload to that even if it would be wanted
[01:11] <debfx> something is broken in maverick's glib: /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gdbusintrospection.h:147: error: expected unqualified-id before 'protected'
[01:20] <debfx> oh
[01:20] <debfx> GDBusInterfaceInfo contains an attribute called "signals"
[01:21] <lex79> JontheEchidna: since the merge, kdebase-runtime recommends virtuoso-minimal, should recommends only virtuoso-nepomuk
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ideally we need to merge virtuoso
[01:21] <lex79> we don't want all virtuoso stuff in the cd
[01:28] <debfx> I hope amarok builds with QT_NO_KEYWORDS
[01:38] <debfx> hrm it does not
[01:39] <lex79> :)
[01:41]  * JontheEchidna begins virtuoso merge
[01:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: maybe we can sync it ;)
[01:42] <lex79> if we have all build-deps in main...
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> lex79: with a package this big, best to go through manually to see if there's anything we have that would be missed if synced
[01:42]  * bulldog98 has the finished the build of the libs and is asking what to do next
[01:43] <lex79> right, ok
[01:43] <lex79> bulldog98: are you a ninja?
[01:43] <bulldog98> lex79: no
[01:44] <lex79> uhm, wait Riddell then or somebody else
[01:44] <lex79> I mean tomorrow at this point :)
[01:45] <bulldog98> lex79: hm at about 12 a clock he should be on right?
[01:46] <lex79> utc...yes
[01:46] <bulldog98> lex79: yes I ment utc
[01:46] <lex79> ok
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> lex79: looks like we can sync, but we'll have to do some nepomuk changes at the same time in kdebase-runtime
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, soprano too
[01:47] <bulldog98> lex79: then it will be 2 a clock here and I’ll be back from school
[01:47] <lex79> JontheEchidna: why? kdebase-runtime depends on virtuoso-minimal
[01:47]  * bulldog98 goes to bed because he has to get up in 3 hours
[01:47] <lex79> bulldog98: ok no problem
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: our virtuoso package places the virtuoso-t binary in a different location
[01:47] <lex79> oh
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> actually, I think that all the changes will need done in soprano
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> also we can file for removal for virtuosoconverter
[01:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you have the power now to do all at the same time :)  don't wait me
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> muwahahaha
[01:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you're a bad guy now :(
[01:49] <lex79> hihihih
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> >:D
[01:51]  * debfx wonders if glib would accept a patch to rename an attribute because qt #defines it
[01:51] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm writing motu application btw, and I will use also for kubuntu-dev application
[01:51] <lex79> allelujia
[01:51] <lex79> lol
[03:23] <shadeslayer> well.. upgrade went awesome.. nothing apt-get -f install cant fix :P
[03:23] <shadeslayer> 4.5 looks pretty awesome :D
[03:29] <shadeslayer> well theres no printer config dialog :P
[03:30] <shadeslayer> whats the kwin tiling feature i hear about?
[03:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just a small fyi.... the new khotnewstuff directly uploads your themes,etc to opendesktop.org,removing the need for a browser :P
[03:44] <shadeslayer> i guess everyones off to sleep :(
[03:46] <nigelb> shadeslayer: its a long weekend for US - tomorrow is memorial day
[03:46] <nigelb> folks might be away taking a break, family, etc
[03:49] <shadeslayer> nigelb: memorial day?
[03:50] <shadeslayer> nigelb: how come your up so early?
[03:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:53] <stefan`> hello
[08:53] <stefan`> i updated to kde4.5 from the experimental ppa
[08:53] <stefan`> however, i don't get the blur effect working, although its enabled and set to max
[08:54] <stefan`> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[09:05] <Tm_T> stefan`: it doesn't work where exactly? also what windeco youre using?
[09:06] <stefan`> oxygen as windeco
[09:06] <stefan`> its not working in any place i can observe: not in the panel, not in plasma-popups not behind windows
[09:06] <Tm_T> hmmm
[09:07] <Tm_T> if it doesn't work even in panel, then I don't know
[09:07] <Tm_T> stefan`: one of those silly things to do, but, tried relogin? (:
[09:08] <stefan`> Tm_T: is there a place where log-messages for these effects are written?
[09:08] <stefan`> Tm_T: hehe ;) yes, i did already :(
[09:08] <Tm_T> no idea about the logs
[09:08] <Tm_T> ...I think this is best dealt in #kde or some other support channel
[09:08] <stefan`> Tm_T: right, thanks.
[09:51] <apparle> Is rekonq going to be the default browser in 10.10?
[10:16] <jussi> apparle: thats the plan
[10:17] <apparle> jussi: so konq will be there or not at all
[10:17] <jussi> apparle: not at all. just in the repos
[10:18] <apparle> jussi: and that is just with us (kubuntu) or kde is doing the same
[10:18] <jussi> apparle: afaik, just us.
[10:18] <apparle> ok
[10:59] <Riddell> bulldog98: yo
[10:59] <Tm_T> apparle: Konqueror wont go away from KDE until... KDE 5 or way later
[11:00] <Tm_T> apparle: also including rekonq isn't that straightforward either, nor in agenda yet
[11:00] <apparle> Tm_T: so is it going to remain in extra gear forever :)
[11:00] <Tm_T> cannot know
[11:01] <Tm_T> but as long as it requires more frequent release schedule than KDE sc it won't be in main modules
[11:01] <apparle> Tm_T: if konq is not removed, why not make it a proper browser
[11:01] <Tm_T> apparle: how it isn't proper browser?
[11:02] <apparle> Tm_T:  a very basic need.. it doesn't open a very famous site like yahoo mail
[11:02] <Tm_T> apparle: and rekonq opens?
[11:02] <apparle> Tm_T: I mean after modifying browser identification also
[11:03] <apparle> Tm_T: after modifying browser identification... yahoo mail works perfectly in rekonq
[11:04] <apparle> Tm_T: even gmail doesn't work to its fullest in konq
[11:05] <apparle> Tm_T: I don't think a normal user like me using yahoo/gmail (I haven't tried windows live or aol) would think it as a complete browser if it can't open these sites
[11:07] <Tm_T> apparle: I just logged in to yahoo mail, what doesn't work in this?
[11:07] <Tm_T> and no, I haven't changed any browser identification
[11:07] <apparle> Tm_T: are you using the new yahoo mail or just the old one
[11:08] <Tm_T> apparle: I have no idea what is new and what is old
[11:09] <Tm_T> apparle: ah, I now found out how to activate "new"
[11:09] <apparle> Tm_T: the new interface is good and fast also
[11:11] <Tm_T> how it doesn't work?
[11:12] <apparle> Tm_T: you mean you are in the new interface in konq without any browser identification modification
[11:13] <Tm_T> apparle: apparently I need to change the identification, but that's nothing Konqueror devels can do about
[11:14] <apparle> Tm_T:  in my case it doesn't open even after that
[11:14] <Tm_T> apparle: try using webkit
[11:14] <apparle> Tm_T: ohhh
[11:14] <apparle> Tm_T: you should have told me earlier that you are using webkit, then rekonq and konq will be almost same.
[11:14] <Tm_T> apparle: I use khtml and webkit
[11:15] <apparle> Tm_T: can I do that on KDE SC4.4.2?
[11:15] <Tm_T> sure
[11:15] <apparle> Tm_T: how
[11:17] <Tm_T> apparle: install kpart-webkit (I think) and then restart Konqueror, then from menu: view -> view mode -> webkit
[11:17] <Tm_T> apparle: btw, if you have problems with konqueror, please submit bug reports with good simple testcases, these simple issues shouldn't be reason to call konqueror unproper
[11:20] <apparle> Tm_T: I just told you some cases, but it causes problems for many sites (considering there is no webkit). I can report bugs when they are ocassional but if I get them in every site, I'd better change the browser
[11:21] <Tm_T> apparle: I have currently problems in one site only, and that has broken scripts apparently
[11:21] <apparle> Tm_T: should I rebuilt syscoca
[11:21] <apparle> Tm_T: afater installation of webkit
[11:21] <Tm_T> apparle: wont hurt, though it should happen itself
[11:27] <apparle> Tm_T: now no complaints about konqueror... but why isn't webkit default?
[11:28] <Tm_T> apparle: it's extragear stuff
[11:29] <apparle> Tm_T: I don't know how things work about that, but its better than the default at least
[11:29] <Tm_T> there's plenty of integration still lacking/not working well
[11:30] <Tm_T> ...and I'm talking about current development (:
[11:32] <apparle> Tm_T: idk.....anyways webkit doesn't remail default in konq, anyway to fix that
[11:33] <Tm_T> cannot remember exact steps, there's plenty of guides online though
[11:35] <apparle> Tm_T: ok
[11:52] <debfx> Riddell: amarok is in the ninjas ppa
[11:54] <Riddell> debfx: ooh, I was just about to ask
[11:54] <Riddell> debfx: are you rediscovering your music?
[11:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kutils linking issue sorted
[11:57] <debfx> indeed I am ;)
[12:02] <Riddell> Mamarok, Nightrose: is 2.3.1 a new feature release or a bugfix only release?  (should we put it in updates or backports)
[12:02] <Nightrose> it has new features
[12:28]  * Riddell wonders why he no longer has usr/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so
[12:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Moved to kdebase-workspace-bin for me
[12:30] <Riddell> seems a strange move, I guess win32 and mac users don't want oxygen style
[12:32] <Riddell> debfx: amarok seems to be working well
[12:32] <Riddell> debfx: I'll upload to maverick and to backports PPA
[12:36] <Riddell> debfx: where is kubuntu/08_fix_ftbfs_glib_2.25.diff from?
[12:37] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/api/ (Account.cpp Account.h) private d pointer for Account
[12:38] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/control fix section of libubuntuone-api-dev
[12:38] <apachelogger> 4 more classes to go :/
[12:47] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/control syncdaemon is in ubuntuone-client, so lets depend on that
[12:52] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (debian/control src/api/Account.h) Here is a thing, desktopcouch depends on gnome-keyring to work, gnome-keyring in turn does not provide an appropriate dbus service fail making it fall apart when no daemon is running \o/
[12:54] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* data/ (org.freedesktop.secrets.service.in CMakeLists.txt) return of the gnome-keyring dbus service -.-
[13:00] <apachelogger> *sob*
[13:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please hold me, otherwise I might go rant to a lot of people
[13:00] <Nightrose> awwwww
[13:00]  * Nightrose hold apachelogger tightly
[13:01] <apachelogger> :*
[13:01] <Nightrose> :*
[13:02] <apachelogger> oh
[13:02] <apachelogger> now it is working Oo
[13:04] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (TODO debian/ubuntuone-kde.install) Install org.freedesktop.secrets service and add todo item about it
[13:05] <apachelogger> fregl: jos is also suggesting suse(studio)
[13:06] <fregl> apachelogger: well, that would be easy to create... basically sitting down for an hour and clickety-click, though that is not a good longterm solution
[13:06] <fregl> apachelogger: where does he suggest that?
[13:06] <apachelogger> fregl: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/kde-mm-edu-sprint-2010-in-xrandr/#comments
[13:06]  * fregl fell behind on blogreading
[13:06] <apachelogger> Jakob also got a point with "You should use kubuntu as base, since I guess people who would like a fluffy desktop don’t want to bother with drivers, codecs and such… good example is my girlfriend "
[13:07] <apachelogger> actually that is a very good argument for kubuntu altogether, since one half of the target audience really does not want to mess with this stuff
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> *nod*
[13:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is there a sane webm encoder yet?
[13:08] <fregl> apachelogger: do we get his girlfriend if we base it on that? lately I had no troubles with any linux distro on my outdated hardware anyway.
[13:09] <apachelogger> fregl: I think it is more about broadcom wifi and prop graphics drivers
[13:09] <apachelogger> codecs do work everywhere but arch and debian :P
[13:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: idunno
[13:09] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp webm
[13:09] <kubotu> Results for webm: 1. WebM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM | 2. VP8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 | 3. WebM - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM
[13:09] <kubotu> [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[13:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: ping
[13:20] <Riddell> yo bulldog98
[13:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: I think we should build 4.4.4 in staging
[13:20] <Riddell> so long as apachelogger doesn't eat us
[13:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: so can you upload kde4libs to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging ?
[13:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: do i have to be kubuntu ninja to do so?
[13:22] <apachelogger> ohm
[13:22] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes, we can fix that
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: ninja is ocupied?
[13:22] <lex79> in ninja there is 4.4.80 lucid
[13:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's still doing 4.4.80 bits
[13:22] <apachelogger> oh my oh my
[13:23] <apachelogger> clearly we need a second ninja ^^
[13:23] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll second that
[13:23] <lex79> you can upload in staging if you are a kubuntu member, not ninja
[13:23] <lex79> or I wrong?
[13:24] <Riddell> need to be ninja or dev
[13:24] <lex79> ah
[13:24] <Riddell> bulldog98 is now a ninja
[13:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:24] <apachelogger> THE FUCK
[13:24] <apachelogger> erm
[13:24] <apachelogger> sorry
[13:24] <apachelogger> "Ja, melden Sie mich in"
[13:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^^^^^
[13:24] <lex79> apachelogger: ninja seems an open team now :P
[13:25] <Riddell> pardon?
[13:26] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/Wd-3M48a.html
[13:26] <apachelogger> that is the most crappy translation I have ever ever read of login
[13:26] <apachelogger> in fact it is so horrible that probably google translate could do better
[13:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Oo
[13:32] <Riddell> bulldog98: anyway, please upload to staging
[13:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: preparing that
[13:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: will need some time to upload
[13:34]  * bulldog98 loads the debian sources to the staging PPA will need ~half an hour
[13:34] <bulldog98> or less
[13:56] <bulldog98> Riddell: maybe I’ll do some more work this evening or tomorrow
[13:57] <Riddell> bulldog98: you can call more ninjas to the cause of 4.4.4 with ~ninjas in this irc channel
[13:57] <txwikinger> Riddell: anything I can help with
[13:57] <txwikinger> I have to do some paid work, but I get push some things in between
[13:58] <txwikinger> s/get/can/
[13:58] <Riddell> txwikinger: 4.4.4 needing packaged
[13:58] <txwikinger> do we have a todo list?
[13:59] <txwikinger> 4.4.4? Didn't we already work on 4.4.80?
[13:59] <Riddell> we did but we need to cator for all markets, stable and unstable
[13:59] <Riddell> ninjas
[13:59] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4
[14:00] <txwikinger> Riddell: cool..
[14:00] <Riddell> txwikinger: do you have access to ktown?
[14:01] <txwikinger> Since I don't know, I presume no :)
[14:02] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/ (AuthenticationDBus.cpp AuthenticationDBus.h CMakeLists.txt) Generate AuthenticationDBus at build time
[14:02]  * txwikinger wonders if ktown means Kaiserslautern :)
[14:03] <Riddell> txwikinger: try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:04] <txwikinger> Riddell: what protocol? ftp?
[14:04] <txwikinger> or ssh?
[14:04] <Riddell> ssh
[14:04] <Riddell> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:05] <txwikinger> hmm.. public key denied
[14:05] <txwikinger> I guess I would have to put my public key somewhere for that
[14:05] <Riddell> txwikinger: try again
[14:05] <Riddell> well I'm using the one on launchpad
[14:06] <txwikinger> ah :)
[14:06] <txwikinger> let me go to my other machine :)
[14:07] <txwikinger> Riddell: no doesn't work
[14:08] <Riddell> txwikinger: try now
[14:08] <txwikinger> no
[14:08] <ghostcube> woah we get 3.x kde back o.O
[14:09] <Riddell> txwikinger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/ibUwFchT  that one?
[14:10] <txwikinger> Riddell: yes
[14:11] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/libs/CMakeLists.txt build++
[14:11] <Riddell> txwikinger: well that's the one which is in there
[14:11] <Riddell> txwikinger: got any others to try?
[14:13] <txwikinger> Riddell: not at the moment
[14:13] <txwikinger> would have to create one
[14:15] <Riddell> let me put them elsewhere
[14:15] <txwikinger> Riddell: it works now
[14:16] <Riddell> ok grab from stable/4.4.4/src
[14:17] <txwikinger> ok
[14:17] <Riddell> txwikinger: pick a package, add your name in the line in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/4.4.4, grab the packaging from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[14:18] <Riddell> convert to .gz
[14:18] <Riddell> build it
[14:18] <Riddell> check for any new files (unlikely)
[14:18] <Riddell> put into staging PPA
[14:18] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/api/ (Api.cpp CMakeLists.txt) Make api try a login - still needs error handling
[14:18] <txwikinger> Riddell: ok
[14:18]  * Riddell out for a bit
[14:24] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/api/ (SubscriptionObject.cpp SubscriptionObject.h) private dptr for subscriptionobject
[14:42] <agateau> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> agateau: pong
[14:42] <agateau> JontheEchidna: hi, did you get my konversation indicator patch?
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> agateau: yes. It doesn't seem to build, though :( I would have emailed, but my kmail was a bit busted
[14:43] <agateau> JontheEchidna: oh :( do you have an url for the build error?
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> agateau: No, but I can get the build failure in about 10 minutes locally
[14:44] <agateau> JontheEchidna: sounds good
[14:45] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/api/ (7 files) Shared D-Pointer for Subscription! + Merge Subscription classes in one file
[14:47] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/api/Subscription.h TODO++
[14:53] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/api/Subscription.h it is a beauty
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442292/
[15:04] <debfx> Riddell: I wrote that patch
[15:12] <agateau> JontheEchidna: where can I grab the source package?
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> sec
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> agateau: dget http://people.ubuntu.com/~echidnaman/konversation_1.3~beta1-1ubuntu1.dsc
[15:15] <apparle> guys what is Q_Q macro
[15:16] <agateau> JontheEchidna: downloading
[15:17] <agateau> apparle: it is a magic Qt macro used inside of a *Private class,
[15:17] <agateau> apparle: after it you can use the q var to refer to the public class
[15:17] <apparle> agateau: do you have a link or something which would have an example implementation
[15:18] <agateau> apparle: mmm... Qt source code is full of this...
[15:18] <agateau> apparle: but I don't know where it's implemented
[15:18] <agateau> apparle: actually I do
[15:19] <agateau> apparle: it's in qglobal.h and it expands to:
[15:19] <agateau> #define Q_D(Class) Class##Private * const d = d_func()
[15:19] <agateau> #define Q_Q(Class) Class * const q = q_func()
[15:19] <agateau> (pasted Q_D while I was at it)
[15:20] <apparle> agateau: my bad..... i meant to say, do you have an usage example
[15:20] <agateau> apparle: look inside qt, it's used everywhere
[15:20] <apparle> agateau: ok
[15:30] <agateau> JontheEchidna: is it normal debian/patches/debian-changes-1.3\~beta1-1ubuntu1 contains changes which look like a revert of the indicator patch?
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> agateau: mm, no. good catch.'
[15:30] <agateau> JontheEchidna: that's what I suspected :)
[15:31] <agateau> JontheEchidna: tell me if there are still other problems
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> will do. Thanks again
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> agateau: looks good
[15:37] <agateau> JontheEchidna: great!
[15:37] <a|wen> bulldog98: did you get to upload kdelibs to staging?
[15:38] <agateau> Riddell: if I provide you with a Qt patch for appmenu support today, will this be in alpha1?
[15:58] <jussi> right, so here is what Id really love to see. http://imagebin.ca/view/wN1IwXck.html :D (but a bit more polished than my krita'ing skills can manage)
[15:59] <jussi> Basically, daisy dock, with the ability to add plasmoids to it (not just launchers) and a specially placed systray (or whatever people are calling it these days).
[16:00] <ScottK> jussi: In KDE, it's called the systray.
[16:01] <jussi> :D
[16:01] <jussi> ScottK: so what do you think? look like something acheivable?
[16:01] <jussi> or even useful?
[16:01] <ScottK> Not trivially.
[16:01] <jussi> OK, thats what I was asking. :D
[16:02] <ScottK> It requires widgets to overlap and interact in a way that they don't right now.
[16:02] <jussi> ahh
[16:02] <ScottK> I think it looks cool.  Not sure how useful i would be.
[16:03] <ScottK> (but I hate OS X, so I'm probably not the best judge)
[16:03] <jussi> I think Ill have a word with the daisy people (once I go ask google who they are) to see if they are interested.
[16:05] <jussi> ScottK: ooh, looks like they are working on something along the lines of what I was saying: http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7057/snapshot4r.jpg
[16:15] <ScottK> It used to be I'd see the complete lack of mention of Kubuntu in http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2010/05/track-desktop-and-une-in-maverick.html and get annoyed.  Now I'm convinced it's a feature.
[16:24] <apachelogger> fregl: linux distros are one patchy mess of implicit knowledge and public tools
[16:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[16:49] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "As One" by Dropkick Murphys [Blackout, 2003] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6gGQUPS2lFMzwcrJG4fnN4] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[16:50] <CIA-92> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* COPYING Add gpl3
[17:24] <fregl> apachelogger: tell me something new :)
[17:32] <apachelogger> seaLne: can you get some freenode staffer to help us hijack #fluffy? ^^
[17:32] <apachelogger> seems deserted anyway
[17:34] <tsimpson> apachelogger: you should speak to JvA
[17:40] <apachelogger> fregl: you should speak to JvA, tsimpson says ;)
[17:40]  * fregl kicks apachelogger :D
[17:41] <apachelogger> pff
[17:41] <apachelogger> fregl: I am doing the packaging :P
[17:42] <fregl> tsimpson: query, or is there a staff channel?
[17:42] <tsimpson> fregl: they aren't staff, but they are the owner of the channel. so /query :)
[17:43] <fregl> hehe, ok
[17:43] <Riddell> agateau: hi, yes I could do a qt upload if you have a patch
[17:43] <tsimpson> all staff will tell you is to ask the owner anyway, unless you file a Group Registration Form with freenode and wait about a year
[17:43]  * apachelogger is all for #kde-fluffy if that fails
[17:43] <apachelogger> fregl: dpkg-deb: building package `fluffy-unicorn' in `../fluffy-unicorn_0.0.0~alpha1_i386.deb'.
[17:44] <jussi> apachelogger: is it kubuntu based?
[17:44] <tsimpson> ^ and hope KDE don't mind
[17:44] <apachelogger> jussi: yeah
[17:44] <apachelogger> tsimpson: why should they?
[17:44] <tsimpson> apachelogger: no reason, just freenode policy (blah, blah, blah)
[17:44] <apachelogger> we haz 50 likers on facebook!!! :P
[17:44]  * fregl becomes all bouncy in anticipation ;)
[17:44] <jussi> apachelogger: #kubuntu-fluffy? :D :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> that would make it a kubuntu flavor, which it is not
[17:45] <jussi> awww... it should be!
[17:45] <fregl> it isn't really official kde flavor either I'd say ;)
[17:45] <tsimpson> one day, it probably will be
[17:46] <fregl> it should be the official *buntu flavor :P
[17:46] <tsimpson> but I like blue too much ;)
[17:46] <fregl> apachelogger: we should do a fluffy sprint
[17:46] <jussi> LOL
[17:46] <apachelogger> fregl: totally
[17:47] <apachelogger> fregl: so #ubuntu-fluffy?
[17:47] <fregl> we need sponsors...
[17:47] <apachelogger> sabdfl: ^ a friendly reminder ;)
[17:47] <fregl> rofl, together with the facebook page that sounds about right
[17:48] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:48] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Boys on the Docks" by Dropkick Murphys [Live on St. Patrick's Day] [http://open.spotify.com/track/3OBMOFQLsOFrhv2b9REB4h] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[17:52] <debfx> ScottK: congrats on becoming a DD!
[17:52] <maco> you're a DD now?
[17:52] <maco> shiiiiiiiiiiiny
[17:53] <jussi> ScottK: Congrats!
[17:53] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic add \o \o ScottK is now Debian overlord o/ o/
[17:54] <Riddell> and remember, you too can be a debian developer after only two and a half years
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[17:58] <Nightrose> congrats ScottK
[17:58] <jjesse> congrats ScottK
[17:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic add Fluffy will be based on Kubuntu
[18:23] <Riddell> oh why is the kubuntu website broken?
[18:23] <Riddell> can't edit anything now
[18:24] <neversfelde> congratulations ScottK
[18:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: Thanks.
[18:26] <ScottK> Riddell: "enhanced security from changes"
[18:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ping
[18:37] <Xand3r> jarp?
[18:38] <apachelogger> Xand3r: when will my groupies group get some better looking? :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> you could really ditch in a pic of me at the very least ^^
[18:39] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i dont know
[18:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what blog post to publish? the one about qjson or the one about the lack of scheduling software?
[18:39] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you could make Nightrose admin, she sure will know how to groupiefy the page ^^
[18:39] <Nightrose> apachelogger: scheduling
[18:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: got time to review the content?
[18:40]  * apachelogger thinks that some sort of ending is missing
[18:40] <Nightrose> ok
[18:49] <ScottK> Is anyone already investigating why kdemultimedia FTBFS?
[18:51] <Riddell> something up with the codec packages?
[18:51] <Riddell> I've not looked into it
[18:51] <neversfelde> for 4.4.4 we update the packages in the updates ppa, right?
[18:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll have a look.
[18:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes, building in staging now then moving to updates when complete and tested
[18:54] <Riddell> get the 4.4.3 packaging from updates ppa to start
[18:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, thank you, I was not sure, if there are "official" packages in the archive somewhere
[18:55] <ScottK> Riddell: The problem is libavutil50 in Universe.
[18:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Source is already in Main.
[18:57] <ScottK> If you can promote it in the next 6 minutes, then we can retry in 51...
[18:58]  * Riddell hears the timer from 24 counting
[18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: done!
[18:58] <ScottK> Excellent.  Thanks.
[19:20]  * apachelogger is mirroring the ubuntu archive \\o/
[19:23] <apachelogger> fregl: first package of fluffy-unicorn built btw
[19:24] <fregl> I bet it took ages to compile :P
[19:24] <fregl> apachelogger: you rock!
[19:26] <apachelogger> fregl: it took 4 minutes!!! :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> also the source tar is like 5 mib
[19:26] <fregl> hehe
[19:26] <fregl> bloat!
[19:26] <apachelogger> which seems a bit big considering the amount of content
[19:26] <fregl> I bet our users care much... well 50% of them
[19:27] <fregl> good thing we don't have any users yet
[19:27] <apachelogger> its more about the developers :P
[19:27] <fregl> except us...
[19:27] <apachelogger> uploading 5 mib takes longer than 2 :P
[19:27] <fregl> ah, I see
[19:27] <fregl> so we need to trim that
[19:27] <apachelogger> yeah, though I think I suqeeze already a lot using the buid magic
[19:27] <fregl> apachelogger: what did you include? just the stuff we have on gitorious? will it automatically paint everything pink by magic?
[19:28] <apachelogger> cause there is this awesome too git-buildpackage which builds me a debian source right off the git branch
[19:28] <apachelogger> fregl: no automagics yet
[19:28] <apachelogger> includes icon, kopete, parley, plasma
[19:28] <fregl> it's a beginning :)
[19:29] <apachelogger> to override the defaults I suppse we should go the kubuntu way and just sneak into the config cascading (saves us patching etc.)
[19:29] <apachelogger> also, I cannot include your rekonq stuff becuase it would conflict with the rekonq package and dpkg would be all whiny about that ;)
[19:29] <fregl> I know
[19:29] <apachelogger> with cascaded configs we can work around that
[19:30] <fregl> too bad it doesn't support proper themeing
[19:30] <apachelogger> that is if rekonq actually does a cascaded lookup
[19:30] <apachelogger> [ 26%] Getting: pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb... pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.80-0ubuntu2_i386.deb failed 500 Server closed connection without sending any data back
[19:30] <apachelogger> brrr
[19:31]  * apachelogger thinks that once he is done mirroring he will updates his mirror again ^^
[19:47] <ScottK> Riddell: What's the plan for kdebindings?
[19:48] <ScottK> I see ubuntu2 is rejected and ubuntu1 can't build because the source is superceded.
[20:22] <Riddell> ScottK: was going to look at it tonight if nobody else had got to it
[20:23] <ScottK> OK.  Good luck.
[20:23]  * ScottK tries hard to look busy with other things.
[20:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: You have comments awaiting moderation.
[20:36]  * apachelogger puts his moderator hat on
[20:38] <apachelogger> ah
[20:38]  * apachelogger was waiting for that ^^
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: see, the fact that this is not documented is what I was ranting about earlier when I said that distros are a patchy pool of implict knowledge :P
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: whom would one be asking about summit.ubuntu.com?
[20:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd try jcastro.
[20:39] <ScottK> Keybuck developed it, but isn't allowed to work on it anymore because he's fixing boot stuff.
[20:59] <apachelogger> ScottK, Nightrose: http://www.pentabarf.org/Main_Page
[20:59] <apachelogger> looks promising at first glance
[20:59] <apachelogger> I mean, it looks like crap, but the functionallity looks promising ;)
[21:00] <ScottK> Unfortunately it talks about ruby gems and stuff.
[21:00] <ScottK> Almost a guarantee of upstream insanity.
[21:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: any demo of it anywhere?
[21:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: getting one setup
[21:01] <Nightrose> cool
[21:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is made using rails, so it almost certainly must be talking about gems ;)
[21:06] <apachelogger> argh
[21:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dont have no psql access on kollide :(
[21:06] <Nightrose> mpfh
[21:07] <neversfelde> bulldog98: ping
[21:13]  * apachelogger really wished he had the money to run a proper server for his projects -.-
[21:14] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I build kdelibs 4.4.4 and will upload it to staging, so that we can go ahead
[21:17] <apachelogger> gemming and mirroring at the same time is a bad idea
[21:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: we used pentabarf for akademy 2007 although on the day the server was busy and it failed
[21:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: hehe
[21:20] <Nightrose> bad
[21:20] <Riddell> but not the fault of pentabarf, or so seaLne said
[21:20] <Riddell> Nightrose: how's the amarok release going?
[21:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: since i'm doing it alone it'll take another 30 mins at least
[21:21] <Nightrose> :/
[21:21] <maco> thats the thing debconf uses for registration right?
[21:22] <Riddell> maco: yes
[21:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: fancy testing 4.5 beta again from experimental?
[21:23] <Nightrose> ah drupal i love you for deleting my text
[21:23] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: I tired a few minutes ago, digikam is still to be removed here
[21:24] <Mamarok> tried*
[21:26] <stefan___> does anyone of those with a working kde 4.5 beta1 see the blur effect?
[21:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/summit
[21:31] <apachelogger> supposedly it only works with the launchpad blueprints system
[21:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: I just copied it over but it's not published yet, let's wait a few minutes
[21:33] <Riddell> stefan___: no I don't
[21:34] <stefan___> Riddell: but its enabled in your system settings?
[21:36] <Riddell> yes
[21:36] <KRF> apachelogger: added lucid-proposed, upgraded, restarted, started kontact, got this: http://krf.kollide.net/files/image/kubuntu-akonadi-failure.png
[21:38] <stefan___> Riddell: u think its a packaging issue or upstream?
[21:38] <apachelogger> KRF: what does details say?
[21:40] <KRF> "keine resourcen-vermittler gefunden"
[21:43] <apachelogger> ohm
[21:43] <apachelogger> KRF: completel log to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please
[21:43] <KRF> does it work for you or what?
[21:43] <apachelogger> apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5 too
[21:43] <apachelogger> KRF: it always did
[21:45]  * apachelogger needs to test in a vm
[21:45] <KRF> its easy to reproduce for me, install kubuntu on a vm, start kontact -> whoops
[21:45] <KRF> test it, yeah
[21:46] <KRF> i dont have the time to do so right now ;)
[21:48] <Riddell> Mamarok: should be published, want to try again?
[21:49] <Riddell> stefan___: I see an explanation has been found in #kde-d
[21:50] <stefan___> Riddell: you mean the 64bit issue?
[21:50] <Riddell> yes
[21:51] <neversfelde> ninja wiki mentions that we should call the packages ~lucid1~ppa1, but in updates the packages are called ~ppa1, which is correct?
[21:52] <debfx> Riddell: do you know if there were conflicts of qt keywords with glib before?
[21:52] <neversfelde> it does not matter, I think?
[21:54] <a|wen> neversfelde: as 4.4.80 is in maverick it doesn't matter afaics
[21:54] <neversfelde> k, I called kdelibs ~lucid1~ppa1
[21:54] <Riddell> neversfelde: better to use ~lucid1~ppa1 in the hope we might get it into lucid-updates which would use ~lucid1
[21:54] <neversfelde> so I think we should use this
[21:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: k
[21:54] <Riddell> debfx: hmm, I don't think so
[21:55] <a|wen> neversfelde: i used the same for kdepimlibs (requires 4.4.4 kdelibs to even testbuilt, so a stalled atm)
[21:56] <neversfelde> good
[21:56] <neversfelde> kdelibs should be build in 1 h or so
[21:56] <a|wen> cool
[21:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: Trying right now
[21:57] <debfx> Riddell: I think kipi-plugins fails to build for the same reason
[21:59] <ryanakca> 'grats ScottK
[21:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: Manage to edit?
[22:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: nope
[22:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: can you?
[22:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: first load of a page it has the Edit tab, second it doesn't
[22:01] <Riddell> debfx: same as digikam?
[22:03] <debfx> Riddell: not sure, which digikam upload fails to build?
[22:04] <Riddell> well the build-depends have changed with 4.5 so I had to change them
[22:04] <Riddell> debfx: what's up with kipi-plugins?  glib symbols issue?
[22:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmmm... works here :/
[22:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: you might have to put up an amarok story shortly then :)
[22:05] <debfx> Riddell: a glib header file contains a variable called "signals"
[22:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: Alright
[22:07] <Riddell> debfx: oh that's evil
[22:07] <debfx> I'm surprised that this doesn't happen more often
[22:07] <bulldog98> neversfelde: was my kdelibs rejectet? or didn‘t it uploaded completlly
[22:08] <neversfelde> bulldog98: don't know
[22:08] <neversfelde> it was not there
[22:09] <neversfelde> you should got a mail from lp about it
[22:09] <bulldog98> neversfelde: looking
[22:09] <neversfelde> bulldog98: I already uploaded kdleibs
[22:09] <bulldog98> neversfelde: saw it
[22:10] <bulldog98> but think ~ppa would be enought, cause they won’t go to maverick
[22:11] <bulldog98> neversfelde: will build other part
[22:11] <neversfelde> bulldog98: as Riddell mentioned above it is better to use ~lucid1 because of the lucid-backports
[22:11] <bulldog98> neversfelde: ok
[22:22] <debfx> any ideas on how to resolve such name conflicts?
[22:29] <Riddell> debfx: rename the symbol in kipi?  I doubt glib will rename it
[22:29] <Riddell> Mamarok: any luck?
[22:30] <Mamarok> Riddell: that wen very wrong, I got this error:  Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_amd64.deb
[22:30] <Mamarok> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:30] <Riddell> waa
[22:30] <Riddell> what was the error?
[22:30] <Mamarok> and now it tries to remove half of KDE when trying to rerun apt-get -f -install
[22:30] <Mamarok> kdebase-worksapce seems to have quite a few unresolved dependencies
[22:30] <Mamarok> let me check again
[22:31] <debfx> Riddell: sure I can write a patch like the one in amarok, but "#undef symbols" really is an ugly workaround
[22:31] <Mamarok> grr, I can't even use pastebin anymore, half of my stuff is not updated
[22:32] <Mamarok> attention, 5 lines coming:
[22:32] <Mamarok> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:32] <Mamarok>   kdebase-workspace-dev: Depends: libksignalplotter4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed
[22:32] <Mamarok>                          Depends: liblsofui4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed
[22:32] <Mamarok>                          Depends: libksgrd4 (= 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4) but 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 is installed
[22:32] <Mamarok> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[22:32] <debfx> s/symbols/signals
[22:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: what's   apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-dev   say?
[22:34] <Mamarok> kdebase-workspace-dev:
[22:34] <Mamarok>   Installed: 4:4.4.3-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[22:34] <Mamarok>   Candidate: 4:4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2
[22:34] <Mamarok> should it udate this separately? How?
[22:34] <Mamarok> just installing?
[22:35] <Mamarok> which is even worse, now I have an even longer list of unmet deps
[22:36] <Mamarok> 14 in total, some are not going to be installed
[22:36] <Riddell> Mamarok: what does this give you?   sudo dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.4.80-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2_amd64.deb
[22:42] <apachelogger> omg
[22:42]  * apachelogger starts crying
[22:42] <apachelogger> I think I have figured ubuntu-cdimage out
[22:42] <apachelogger> sort of
[22:42] <apachelogger> fregl: ^^^^
[22:46] <Mamarok> Riddell: it's a perpetuum mobile:
[22:46] <Mamarok> dpkg: error processing kdebase-workspace-dev (--install):  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[22:46] <Mamarok> Errors were encountered while processing:  kdebase-workspace-dev
[22:47] <Mamarok> snake bit's its tail
[22:47] <apachelogger> -rw-rw-r-- 1 me me 708M 2010-05-31 23:43 www/full/kubuntu/daily/20100531.7/maverick-alternate-i386.iso
[22:47] <apachelogger> hm
[22:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: is maverick currently oversized?
[22:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've not looked
[22:48] <Mamarok> I try to run dpkg -a --configure, amybe that helps
[22:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes overzied it is
[22:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ includes lucid images?
[22:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: Amarok 2.3.1 released, care to do a quick story?  it's in maverick and kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:50] <Mamarok> Riddell: that didn't help at all: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442472/
[22:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: fooey, sorry about this, not sure what's up, maybe something else you have installed like one of those plasmoids is trying to stay installed and won't let the new kdebase-workspace stuff come in
[22:56] <Riddell> I'll need to try some tests
[22:57] <Mamarok> I can try removing some of these widgets
[23:00] <Mamarok> Riddell: the problem lies probably in plasma-widgets-workspace
[23:00] <Mamarok> all the libs try to remoe that when I check
[23:00] <Mamarok> remove*
[23:01] <Mamarok> " all my kdebase etc
[23:01] <Mamarok> +
[23:20] <neversfelde> a|wen: kdelibs is build and workspace is dep-wait
[23:20] <neversfelde> have to sleep, gn8
[23:20] <a|wen> neversfelde: perfect ... just buildint kdepimlibs now
[23:20] <a|wen> s/int/ing/g
[23:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: meh, upgrades fine for me
[23:24]  * apachelogger fiddles with reprepo
[23:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: well I need to sleep, got a cold
[23:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: now what? I can't stay with a half installed machine
[23:25] <Mamarok> get better soon
[23:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: worst case you can disable the PPA, apt-get remove libqtcore4 and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:26] <Mamarok> I guess I will do that
[23:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: sorry for the hassle and thanks for being a guinea pig
[23:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: I am used to it :)
[23:27] <Mamarok> just don't ship it in that state, or users will kill you
[23:27] <Mamarok> what about the ETA for KDE 4.4.4?
[23:29] <Riddell> tomorrow evening would be nice for 4.4.4, something to aim for
[23:34] <Mamarok> oh, sounds good :)
[23:38] <txwikinger> hehe we are working on that :)
[23:38]  * txwikinger is waiting for the libs to build
[23:40] <a|wen> txwikinger: it is built
[23:41] <a|wen> (i suppose you mean kdelibs)
[23:41] <txwikinger> well.. I need kdepimlibs too
[23:41] <txwikinger> and the other one that is waiting for kdepimlibs atm :)
[23:41] <a|wen> txwikinger: just uploaded kdepimlibs ;)
[23:41]  * fregl hugs apachelogger
[23:42] <txwikinger> yeah.. I saw it
[23:45]  * txwikinger is going to a meeting


[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <matv1> morning all
[08:08] <matv1> my browsers keep crashing after launching since this morning
[08:08] <matv1> webapps dont
[08:09] <matv1> even after reboots
[08:10] <matv1> plural because I use both Liri and ubuntu touch browser
[08:10] <matv1> now they spin a while and just die
[08:11] <matv1> I noticed i was low on space so i cleared a bunch but no luck
[08:11] <matv1> any thoughts how to proceed/troubleshoot anyone?
[08:13] <jgdx> matv1, logs logz laaaags
[08:13] <matv1> jgdx sure. any specific?
[08:14] <jgdx> matv1, the browser to start
[08:14] <jgdx> then check /var/crash
[08:14] <jgdx> then unity8 logs
[08:15] <matv1> ok!
[08:15] <matv1> hmm dekko is also doing it :(
[08:16] <matv1> the plot thickens
[08:16] <jgdx> matv1, what build is this?
[08:16] <matv1> stable
[08:16] <jgdx> ota6?
[08:16] <matv1> yup
[08:17] <jgdx> matv1, writable image?
[08:17] <matv1> no just straightup ota6 nothing done to it.
[08:18] <jgdx> okay
[08:19] <jgdx> what does df -h say?
[08:19] <jgdx> maybe you didn't clear as much as you thought
[08:28] <matv1> jgdx df -h says everything ok except for /android/system (99% use). But i dont believe i can do much about that
[08:29] <matv1> http://pastebin.com/NbvSKvit
[08:30] <jgdx> matv1, yeah, no
[08:30] <jgdx> see anything in the logs?
[08:31] <matv1> hangon sorry im at work. sorry
[08:38] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[08:39] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, poke ... i have some issue with embedded iframe videos not goin fullscreen anymore ...
[08:39] <ogra_> qml: [JS] (:0) Entering fullscreen in an <iframe> with no allowfullscreen attribute is deprecated and will stop working in M46, around October 2015. Please use the allowfullscreen attribute.
[08:40] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, (indeed i have no influence on the website providing that iframe, would there be a way to override this check )
[08:41] <ogra_> (that seems to be a recent blink/oxide change)
[08:44] <sturmflut2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1505012 Now that's a strange bug, don't 3G and 2G use the same background logic and channels for voice calls? 4G does it completely different, yes
[08:44] <ogra_> hmm
[08:44] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1505012 in Canonical System Image "3G blocks the receiving of calls in ITALY!" [Undecided,New]
[08:44]  * ogra_ notes it works in the webbrowser without spilling this error
[08:50] <tvoss> sturmflut2, fyi: I'm walking through the bug reports right now
[08:50] <sturmflut2> \o/
[08:50] <tvoss> sturmflut2, it will take a day or two to answer and classify them, though
[08:51] <sturmflut2> tvoss: Sure, this is no easy topic.
[08:53] <matv1> jgdx terribly sorry. regular work sidetracked me. I keep telling them not to bother me with workstuff :)
[08:53] <matv1> anyway logs
[08:53] <matv1> http://pastebin.com/Bia7qrkm  is webbrowser
[08:54] <matv1> http://pastebin.com/2UuRuDk6  is unity8
[08:55] <jgdx> matv1, not sure what you're apologizing for, it's okay that communication is async here. I'm not on the edge of my seat :)
[08:56] <matv1> haha ok
[08:56] <matv1> anyway we have: upstart reports failure of application "webbrowser-app" that AppManager is not managing
[08:58] <jgdx> yeah, anything new in /var/crash? E.g. do $ ls -laht /var/crash
[08:59] <jgdx> matv1, I would start thinking about putting this in a bug report against cdsi ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug )
[08:59] <jgdx> I can't tell what's going on
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Arthritis Day! 😃
[09:02] <matv1> jgdx ok I wil do that.
[09:02] <matv1> thanks
[09:03] <sturmflut2> What would it take to build the SIM Toolkit App? A bit of Qt/QML that runs unconfined and talks to ofono via D-Bus?
[09:09] <jgdx> sturmflut2, maybe not unconfined, but given access to the toolkit interface on the ofono bus?
[09:09] <jgdx> sturmflut2, not sure what the policies are here, maybe you can ask on #ubuntu-app-devel and maybe ping popey.
[09:10] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Will do, thanks
[09:10] <morphis> sturmflut2: yes, that is what would be needed
[09:10] <morphis> sturmflut2: I just talked with awe a week ago and he said from the ofono side STK should mostly work
[09:11] <sturmflut2> morphis: Thanks for the info. I can at least give it a try, I've never used the SIM Toolkit myself but I agree that it is pretty important for many countries and operators in the world.
[09:12] <morphis> yeah
[09:12] <jgdx> sturmflut2, is there a bug somewhere?
[09:12] <morphis> sturmflut2: however, either we add a separate app or put that into the settings app
[09:12] <sturmflut2> jgdx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837
[09:13] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1323837 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Sim toolkit is not available on UT" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[09:13] <sturmflut2> morphis: From an UX standpoint I would make it a separate app. If we put it in the settings it might simply be "too many clicks away".
[09:13] <jgdx> sturmflut2, I'm affecting UX so they can put this on their map.
[09:14] <morphis> sturmflut2: hm
[09:14] <Stskeeps> morphis: btw, at least in our experience, simkit app would have to be a daemon
[09:14] <jgdx> sturmflut2, shortcut -> settings/cellular/sim_n/sim-toolkit
[09:14] <jgdx> ;)
[09:15] <morphis> Stskeeps: the ofono API doesn't abstract it enough?
[09:16] <Stskeeps> morphis: there's something foobar about it but i know we ended up having to have it running all the time
[09:16] <morphis> Stskeeps: interesting
[09:16] <morphis> Stskeeps: you have that service on github?
[09:17] <Stskeeps> morphis: let me see if i can find the meego thing we based it on..
[09:17] <sturmflut2> Stskeeps: Because the SIM Toolkit might have to react to background events, or because there might be D-Bus messages which might hang when the app is no longer focused?
[09:18] <Stskeeps> morphis: https://github.com/meego-tablet-ux/meego-app-satk
[09:19] <morphis> Stskeeps: that isn't in sailfish yet?
[09:20] <Stskeeps> morphis: we have reasonably good sim kit support
[09:20] <Stskeeps> morphis: it's based on that, but, currently closed source
[09:21] <Stskeeps> there was some good reason why we couldn't make it dbus activation
[09:21] <Stskeeps> but i can't recall it atm
[09:21] <morphis> Stskeeps: ok, good to know
[09:22] <morphis> sturmflut2: https://github.com/meego-tablet-ux/meego-app-satk might be a real good starting point
[09:22] <morphis> seems to include already a lot
[09:23] <morphis> Stskeeps: looks like STK supports several "notifications"
[09:23] <morphis> then it makes sense that you need something running all the time
[09:23] <Stskeeps> nod
[09:25] <morphis> sturmflut2: so if you want to go forward with this
[09:26] <sturmflut2> morphis: I always thought that these notifications were just direct responses to commands started by the user. Hm. Have to look into it. But thanks for the pointer to the Meego stuff
[09:26] <Stskeeps> a lot of other crap goes through STK in networks that actually uses it, it's almost terrifying :)
[09:27] <morphis> :D
[09:28] <morphis> sturmflut2: I think for a first iteration reusing the meego code, putting an ubuntu UI on top of it might be a real good step forward
[09:28] <sturmflut2> morphis: Jup
[09:30] <morphis> sturmflut2: hm, ofono only supports registering one agent for STK (which makes sense), so we have to push the notifications out a bit different
[09:30] <jgdx> sturmflut2, the bankid in Norway is a good example. It's always started remotely
[09:30] <morphis> sturmflut2: we could do that with a small plugin in ofono
[09:31] <morphis> which pushes out a notification which sends in turn launches the STK app or something else when needed
[09:43] <morphis> sturmflut2: if you need any further help feel free to ping me
[10:26] <sturmflut2> morphis, Stskeeps: If I plug a 3G USB modem with a SIM into my 15.10 desktop, will the ofono environment be comparable to the phone? The goal is to work on the SIM Toolkit UI without having to test on the phone all the time
[10:36] <jgdx> sturmflut2, you could check if ofono-phonesim supports this as well
[10:37] <morphis> sturmflut2: not sure
[10:37] <morphis> try it and look if the STK interface gets exposed by ofono
[10:49] <jgdx> oh man, dropped my mx4 on the ground and it got the *tiniest* crack in the screen
[10:49] <jgdx> now no input works
[10:51] <popey> yeah mine is similarly busted
[10:55] <tathhu> damnn
[10:56] <tathhu> i got small crack on my bq on top of the screen, put ubuntu sticker to hide it \o/
[11:10] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Looks like phonesim just exposes org.ofono.modem
[11:15] <jgdx> sturmflut2, nah, you got to enable and online the modem
[11:15] <jgdx> sturmflut2, it actually does expose sim toolkit
[11:17] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Hm, I enabled it, the GUI pops up and does things, then the GUI disappears and phonesim drops a "Failed to parse GSM xml file". I've used the /usr/share/phonesim/default.xml that comes with the package
[11:19] <jgdx> sturmflut2, you want to get this running now or are you just poking at it?
[11:39] <ogra_> dbarth_, could you take a look at my last comment on bug 1464249 ?
[11:39] <ubot5`> bug 1464249 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu WebView should not silently honour fullscreen requests" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464249
[12:02] <OerHeks> hi sturmflut2, long time no see!
[12:03] <sturmflut2> OerHeks: o/
[12:03] <sturmflut2> OerHeks: Didn't have the time to hang out on IRC much, yes :/
[12:04]  * svij didn't miss sturmflut2 :P
[12:05] <sturmflut2> svij: That's because you get the privilege to hang around with me all the time.
[12:08] <svij> "privilege" yes ;P
[12:16] <jgdx> davmor2, hey, do you have steps to repro for bug 1496773 ?
[12:17] <ubot5`> bug 1496773 in account-polld (Ubuntu) "account-polld tries hard to open a trust session and fails repeatedly" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496773
[12:26] <sturmflut2> jgdx: I got the Meego SATK app to build on my desktop, but the whole QML stuff relies on Meego components and I don't have an Ubuntu device with a SIM card handy. Will continue tomorrow or so.
[12:28] <dholbach> sturmflut2, svij, dpm: just a quick check: are we good to go with option 3 (re: t-shirts)?
[12:28] <dholbach> I thought coordinating on IRC might be a bit quicker
[12:32] <dpm> dholbach, it looks good to me, I chose that one as well as svij and sturmflut2 had both mentioned it looked ok to them
[12:37] <sturmflut2> dpm, dholbach: I'm okay with option 3
[12:38] <svij> dpm: dholbach: sturmflut2: great :)
[12:38] <davmor2> jgdx: this might of been fixed by other fixes for fd's in media-hub unity8 etc
[12:39] <davmor2> jgdx: the only way to reproduce is the steps in the bug basically wait for the phone to die took 8 days for my dogfood phone to start playing up
[12:42] <jgdx> davmor2, okay
[12:46] <dholbach> svij, sturmflut2, dpm: Kristine will complete the design and send the necessary files for a print today or first thing tomorrow morning
[12:46] <sturmflut2> dholbach: \o/
[12:47] <dpm> thanks a lot dholbach for taking care of it and chasing everyone
[12:47] <dpm> (including me)
[12:47] <dholbach> no worries
[12:47] <svij> dholbach: great, thx
[13:11] <matv1> jgdx fyi I just filed the bug we talked about this morning.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1505220
[13:11] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1505220 in Canonical System Image "multiple apps crashing at launch" [Undecided,New]
[13:12] <jgdx> matv1, thanks
[13:39] <zzarr> ogra_, does Ubuntu use touch on phones?
[13:39] <zzarr> ogra_, upps ignore that
[13:39] <zzarr> ogra_, does Ubuntu use pulseaudio on phones was I supposed to write
[13:40] <davmor2> zzarr: yes
[13:41] <zzarr> is it somehow possible to send sound between a computer and phone back and forth?
[13:43] <davmor2> zzarr: I assume if pulseaudio is capable of that and the relevant ports are open then it should be doable.
[13:44] <zzarr> I would really love if it was possible to remote control my phone from my computer
[13:45] <zzarr> both do things like writing sms's/mms's and make phonecalls
[13:45] <jgdx> mardy, howdy, could you take a look at my comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/account-polld/lp1493733/+merge/270503 ?
[13:45] <zzarr> (desktop Ubuntu/phone Ubuntu)
[13:48] <mardy> jgdx: yep, saw it, I'll fix it immediately
[13:50] <jgdx> mardy, awesome, thanks.
[13:54] <mardy> jgdx: done, please let me know if now it's OK
[13:55] <mhall119> popey: is there a way to change the calendar notification sound?
[13:55] <jgdx> mardy, well, I was actually talking about the merge proposal's commit msg. It needs to describe the debian/ changes IIRC
[13:56] <mardy> jgdx: ah, I didn't know that :-)
[13:56] <Laney> j
[13:56] <mardy> jgdx: I'll change it. Can I keep the changelog changes?
[13:56] <jgdx> mardy, I'm not sure, actually.
[13:58] <mardy> jgdx: well, let's try to keep them (I sometimes do write changelogs manually), I guess it should be fine
[13:58] <mardy> jgdx: it may actually be that describing the changes in the MP is not required if a changelog is provided, but I'll do that too just to be sure
[13:59] <mardy> jgdx: BTW, do you know what is the trick that allows account-polld to run even when the device is sleeping?
[13:59] <jgdx> mardy, you're right.
[14:00] <jgdx> mardy, isn't that push-client's job?
[14:00] <zzarr> bye guys and girls
[14:00] <mardy> jgdx: maybe. So, as far as you know, account-polld is not doing anything special in that respect, right?
[14:02] <jgdx> mardy, no, it starts the bus and waits AFAIK.
[14:03] <jgdx> mardy, but there were situations in < OTA7 where push client would poke polld even though there were no network connection. Like a lot, over and over.
[14:22] <peat-psuwit> Could anyone have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1460752
[14:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1460752 in ubuntu-touch-meta (Ubuntu RTM) "Can't read Thai character." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:23] <ogra_> davmor2, do you happen to have a mako that runs the last stable image ?
[14:24] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, sil2100 maintains the seeds nowadays
[14:28] <peat-psuwit> sil2100: Could you please consider adding Thai font in Ubuntu Touch?
[14:38] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: hey!
[14:38] <sil2100> Let me take a look
[14:39] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: looks like a reasonable request
[14:47] <peat-psuwit> sil2100: Thank you!
[14:53] <real-eyes> greetings earthlings :)
[14:55] <real-eyes> i have a quick query ... can i run fluidsynth or qsynth on touch?
[14:55] <real-eyes> i want to hook up my midi keyboard and play live with a band
[14:57] <ogra_> you'd likely need to hack it to make that work
[14:57] <ogra_> sepcifically to make the MIDI kbd connect i guess
[14:57] <real-eyes> usb over adb?
[14:58] <ogra_> there is OTG support but i doubt there are any modules that would add midi stuff
[14:58] <ogra_> (neither on the sound level nor on the input level)
[15:04] <davmor2> ogra_: no
[15:19] <ogra_> davmor2, any other device running stable where you could try my G+ app and capture its log ?
[15:19] <davmor2> ogra_: yes
[15:20] <ogra_> (seemingly it fails to start on stable, i tried bumping everythng to the 15.04 framework but was probably to optimistic with the versions of the import statements)
[15:26] <davmor2> ogra_: was working for me this morning
[15:26] <ogra_> davmor2, i updated it since
[15:27] <ogra_> and while it works fine on rc-proposed i got reports from some people where it doesnt start at all anymore
[15:27] <davmor2> ogra_: let me  have a look if you broke it I will of course hunt you down ;)
[15:27] <ogra_> do that please !
[15:33] <davmor2> ogra_: you broke it I'm coming to get you ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/12763946/
[15:33] <DanChapman> ogra_: "module "com.canonical.Oxide" version 1.9 is not installed" oxide version is too high. I know 1.4 works
[15:35] <ogra_> DanChapman, well, i'D like to know which one is "15.04 framework" :)
[15:36] <ogra_> we really need some table for these imports
[15:36] <ogra_> its a pain to dig up all the right versions if you have a bunch of import lines in your app
[15:37] <davmor2> ogra_: your mission should you accept it ......... this code will self destruct on release
[15:37] <ogra_> haha
[15:37] <DanChapman> totally agree with you on that. i don't even think that com.canonical.Oxide is documented anywhere which i really think it should be
[15:37] <ogra_> yep
[15:38] <ogra_> well, you can grok many bits of the Oxide API from looking at the webbrowser-app tree
[15:39] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ grep canonical.Oxide /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Extras/Browser/UbuntuWebView02.qml
[15:39] <ogra_> import com.canonical.Oxide 1.9 as Oxide
[15:39] <ogra_> davmor2, what do you get on a stable image for this grep ?
[15:39] <ogra_> that should be the official 15.04 version i guess
[15:40] <davmor2> import com.canonical.Oxide 1.5 as Oxide
[15:40] <ogra_> ok
[15:40]  * ogra_ reverts to 1.5 then
[15:40] <ogra_> if the browser uses it it must be good :)
[15:40]  * DanChapman makes note
[17:17] <binar_> is there any current howto for porting ubuntu touch to a cyanogenmod-based sourcetree?
[17:24] <mariogrip> Just to narrow down things to debug, is it the android hal that taking care of switch from speaker to headphone when a headphone is plugged in? or alsa?
[17:24] <mariogrip> ogra_: ^
[17:27] <tathhu> can i use dd on my bq?
[17:28] <tathhu> */ubuntu touch
[17:35] <tathhu> nevermind might just be easier to boot up my laptop ::P
[17:42] <mariogrip> tathhu: Yeah, i think you can
[17:43] <tathhu> would've tried but e4.5.. = not enough space for snappy core for rpi =D
[17:44] <mariogrip> ah, well then :P
[17:55] <tathhu> eh uh
[17:56] <tathhu> using apt-get all the time..


 https://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[01:00] <ventrical> here is the related wiki I maintain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U%2B1/tester-wiki#preview
[01:00] <ventrical> so what I have not done in launchpad I have done in testing..
[12:11] <ventrical> hey .. goodmorning ubuntuland!
[12:15] <ventrical> back about noon est
[21:06] <ventrical> hello all
[21:08] <tsimonq2> o/ ventrical
[21:08] <ventrical> yo
[21:09] <ventrical> I was going to ask something but I forgot
[21:09] <ventrical> :)
[21:10] <ventrical> oh yeah.. so khurshid has already adressed those issues here  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/NotDefaultIssues
[21:10] <ventrical> and I will bring khursids list to the TB
[21:12] <ventrical> thanks for the message to c. patrick. hope it helps..
[21:14] <ventrical> ok.. my question .. so I have signed Canonical Contributor Agree so can I now merge commits ie; debian/rules?
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Yep, he responded to me saying it did.
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Right.
[21:14] <ventrical> ok.. so here goes then..
[21:15] <ventrical> ok.. the merge bitton worked .. but it is still pending
[21:16] <ventrical> ya see .. when i was in university we wrote programs in lab/groups of 4 persons while introdution ot algorithms and introductiom to basic.. etc..
[21:17] <tsimonq2> That sounds painful, honestly. (Well, to me as a self-taught programmer. :P)
[21:17] <ventrical> yeah .. turn my light on so I can see the kboard better
[21:23] <ventrical> actually it works better when you have a team.. the team is greater than any one person - but I am self taught mostly also .. but it does hurt being in those labs.
[21:24] <tsimonq2> As a famous programmer once said, "What can take one programmer a month to do will take two programmers two months to do." :P
[21:25] <ventrical> so with video games , juke boxes and pinball machine you are learning in the job, getting paid and getting a Cert at the same time.. so you have all that practical experience..
[21:25] <ventrical> in university/college you are getting credits..
[21:26] <tsimonq2> Anyways this is probably more fit for an offtopic channel. ;)
[21:26] <ventrical> so all that form-factor experience helps one understand hardware problems better
[21:27] <ventrical> uh.. I think it is development .. or history of ..
[21:27] <tsimonq2> heh :)
[21:28] <ventrical> like there has been nothing here all day.. so how can we be of topic..
[21:28] <ventrical> :)
[21:29] <ventrical> ok.. so I merged the dbian/rules file.. so is it now the waiting game again.. wait for it to be accepted?
[21:30] <ventrical> debian/rules
[21:31] <ventrical> well. .in the c\development labs at UofW we had realtime fixes - there was no downtime  liek this..
[21:34] <ventrical> one hour lecture, 3 hour lab.. you couldn't get up and take a break  hehehe
[21:54] <ventrical> Anyways this is probably more fit for an offtopic channel. ;) ok..apologies..


[01:16] <skellat> More about XMir: http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/07/xmir-performance.html
[13:46] <knome> uhoh, i probaly can't make the thursday meeting
[13:47] <knome> probably too
[14:49] <elfy> knome: neither will I be
[18:11] <Unit193> knome: You see my pingies?
[18:49] <JCD> Question: Ho can I tel which packages wont be supported in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS after April 2015 anymore? I there a query I could do in ashell?
[18:53] <Unit193> *Some* packages tell you with apt-cache show $packagename, but most won't.
[19:00] <JCD> So how can one find out which wans require manual upgrades and may pose a thred to system security?
[19:00] <JCD> Umm... threat. Sry
[19:01] <Unit193> It'd just not be supported, at that point you should upgrade.
[19:02] <JCD> :-( But the base OS users Canonical repositories so I suggest you take your packages aout of the repos or something. Do you wanna let them sit there or what is the plan?
[19:03] <Unit193> It's the same repos, so things just don't get updated as it's the end of life for the application in that version.  It's still a bit off though.
[19:03] <Unit193> !eol
[19:59] <knome> Unit193, which ones?
[20:02] <Unit193> LP code/diff.
[20:03] <knome> probably...
[20:03] <knome> yeah, i looked at them
[20:03] <knome> iirc i thought "ok"
[20:04] <Unit193> Good enough to merge request or want changes?  (Again, not sure on translations.)
[20:04] <knome> you know you could push to non-+junk?
[20:05] <knome> re: translations, i've no idea if that's done right either
[20:05] <knome> if you looked for an example, i'd say going with that is fine
[20:05] <knome> if it doesn't work, let's fix it,
[20:05] <Unit193> Then I have to come up with another name, xubuntu-default-settings/pooky may not be nice. :P   And, I generally put everything in +junk (or not on LP)
[20:06] <knome> jockey-
[20:06] <knome> err,
[20:06] <knome> jockey-appmenu
[20:06] <knome> is a good name
[20:06] <knome> or
[20:06] <knome> saucy-improvements
[20:12] <Unit193> Soooo, you can't merge anything in junk?   :P
[20:14] <ochosi> yeah, you can
[20:14] <ochosi> e.g. mr_pouit
[20:14] <ochosi> (he can merge things to xubuntu-default-settings, i can't)
[20:17] <knome> i suppose that's because the branches are ~xubuntu-dev/
[20:17] <knome> not because you have stuff in +junk
[20:17] <ochosi> yup
[20:17] <knome> and i think you need to upload to non-+junk to be able to do merge requests properly, but i might be wrong
[20:18] <Unit193> Done, but I'm scared of him. ;P
[20:18] <knome> awesome
[20:18] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings/+merge/174852 turns out you can move branches.
[20:18] <knome> woot, i don't remember being able to do so
[20:18] <knome> good for you/us
[20:20] <knome> Unit193, approved that with type "xpl", so he knows he's ok to go ahead :P
[20:20] <Unit193> Heh, thanks.  Now I should find something else to break. :D
[20:23] <ochosi> Unit193: so with your first merge-request in Xubuntu that means you won't be allowed to "shut up" anymore ;)
[20:24] <elfy> I'll witness that
[20:24] <knome> yep
[20:24] <knome> and this is a logged channel
[20:24] <Unit193> ochosi: Hrm, let me remove that merge request then...
[20:25] <knome> Unit193, see, this was our plan from the beginning?
[20:25] <Unit193> knome: Docs don't count as merges? ;)
[20:25] <knome> Unit193, not in the same scale :P
[20:26] <jjfrv8> knome, speaking of merges, I have a question on the precise docs.
[20:26] <knome> jjfrv8, great!
[20:26] <knome> jjfrv8, if it's about your first one, it's pending on me investigating something related to that
[20:27] <Unit193> Now, the problem with this is that it's easy to remove software-properties-gtk, and the launcher will still exist...
[20:27] <jjfrv8> Yeah, that was it.
[20:27] <jjfrv8> So if I want to work on chapter 3, I should either revert my commit or pull another copy rev 56?
[20:27] <jjfrv8> * or rev 56
[20:28] <jjfrv8> *of
[20:28] <knome> jjfrv8, if you will, please keep the merge proposal as it is and get a new copy
[20:28] <Noskcaj> Also speaking f the docs, why do we only translate them to 4 languages?
[20:29] <knome> jjfrv8, that way i don't need to review the stuff on that one again
[20:29] <jjfrv8> OK
[20:29] <knome> Noskcaj, because that's how many languages people are translating them into
[20:29] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:29] <knome> jjfrv8, you can delete your local copy if you wish, as long as you keep the launchpad one intact
[20:30] <jjfrv8> Ok.  What if I have to change the same entities again for chapter 3. Will that be a problem?
[20:31] <knome> umm, in *that* case i would say it's better to do a new pull/merge proposal
[20:31] <knome> i suppose that will collectively keep our efforts at minimum
[20:31] <jjfrv8> Well a new pull won't have the entity changes I made for Chapter 2.
[20:31] <knome> i mean
[20:32] <knome> you can go ahead and cancel the merge proposal
[20:32] <knome> and keep on working with the same branch
[20:32] <jjfrv8> Alright. I'll do that.
[20:32] <knome> and just do a new merge proposal later
[20:33] <knome> i'll just re-review that, because otherwise i would have to do conflict resolving and use my brain :P
[20:33] <jjfrv8> Yeah, I have to conserve the brain power too.
[20:34] <knome> i'll try to get the answer for the other docs question as soon as possible so we can actually get on with the merges
[20:34] <knome> tbe, the problem is that i don't know for certain how i should handle the changelog, if you're wondering
[20:34] <knome> :)
[20:34] <jjfrv8> I had a question on that too but I think I'll hold off on that for now
[20:35] <knome> jjfrv8, answer: add things you want to mention in the changelog in your commit messages
[20:36] <knome> jjfrv8, another answer: after that is done, run 'dch -a' before committing and pushin to update the changelog yourself
[20:36] <jjfrv8> Ok.  It was the dch thing that had me confused.  I'll just put it in the commit message, then.
[20:36] <knome> yeah, that's what the question is...
[20:37] <knome> i don't know if our SRU version needs to be "13.10-really12.04" or "12.04"
[20:38] <Unit193> Version 11.10.0 (precise)  so it just needs to be higher than that.
[20:38] <knome> Unit193, how certain you are?
[20:38] <knome> Unit193, (we can always fix it later if you're pretty certain...)
[20:38] <Unit193> dpkg-wise pretty, Ubuntu-wise not as much.
[20:39] <knome> i'm also considering what would be the correct place to check
[20:39] <knome> #ubuntu-devel ?
[20:39] <knome> if that's it, i can do it tonight...
[20:40] <knome> or maybe micahg, mr_pouit or xnox could confirm
[22:49] <pleia2> GridCube: the only deviantart invite I have is expired
[22:50] <pleia2> GridCube: can you invite again?
[22:50] <GridCube> yes
[22:50] <pleia2> ty
[22:51] <GridCube> done
[22:51] <GridCube> the only one who hasnt responded yet its reklan, but we do have enough people now in the group to start working whenever you feel like it
[22:53] <pleia2> yeah, go for it
[22:53] <pleia2> don't wait for me :) I am useless with art and stuff
[22:54] <ochosi> GridCube: have you received any submissions yet or does "start working" mean start advertising it?
[22:54] <pleia2> ochosi: latter
[22:54] <GridCube> i recieved a few submissions yes, but i meant for the advertisement
[22:55] <pleia2> ah, we haven't even told anyone yet! :)
[22:55] <GridCube> P: exactly
[22:55] <ochosi> ah i see :)
[23:22] <knome> magazine contributors: be in touch with me or pleia2 to get your free magazine delivered.
[23:22] <pleia2> I'm going to email all
[23:22] <pleia2> collect them and send to sonny
[23:23] <knome> i just sent simons address ;)
[23:26] <pleia2> Noskcaj told me a couple of times that he was sending in the form, not sure what happened
[23:26] <pleia2> your turn to nag :)
[23:26] <knome> can't nag, he's not here.
[23:27] <micahg> knome: Unit193: new docs for 12.04?  can be 12.04.x or if it's a straight backport from 13.04, 13.04.X~ubuntu12.04.1
[23:27] <Unit193> micahg: It's more of an updated 11.x
[23:27] <knome> micahg, we don't even have 12.04...
[23:28] <pleia2> Unit193: no, backported of 12.10
[23:28] <knome> no, backported from 13.1004
[23:28] <knome> err
[23:28] <pleia2> hehe
[23:28] <knome> 13.04
[23:28] <knome> the backspace key doesn't work
[23:28] <pleia2> 11.x docs are so ancient we never want to see them again :)
[23:28] <knome> but no, it's not a straight backport
[23:28] <Unit193> pleia2: Ah, I thought it was updated stuff, alrighty.
[23:29] <knome> Unit193, we want the new art goodies as well as the better written docs.
[23:30] <GridCube> knome, you got the icon for showcase?
[23:31] <knome> GridCube, i do but it's not at hand. please go ahead without it and i'll get it to you before friday
[23:32] <GridCube> :) no problem
[23:32] <micahg> I'd suggest for the docs prepare a new 12.04.x release, assuming there are major changes
[23:32] <knome> micahg, there is no 12.04. there is 11.10 released in precise.
[23:33] <knome> micahg, but re: packaging/changelog, would that release just go between the older and newer ones?
[23:33] <micahg> knome: ok, maybe I can chat more about this tomorrow
[23:33] <micahg> don't worry about the version for now, we'll figure it out
[23:33] <knome> but sure, we can call it say, 12.04.3
[23:33] <micahg> are the docs ready otherwise?
[23:33] <knome> micahg, would like to get started with the changelog because otherwise we need to track it manually
[23:34] <knome> micahg, nope, they are being worked on.
[23:34] <micahg> knome: no, you can add changes, just don't worry about the version, just bump the .X at the end and mark it UNRELEASED and we'll figure out the final version before upload
[23:34]  * micahg has to disappear again
[23:35] <knome> micahg, umm, but that has a different set of changes than the saucy release
[23:35] <knome> micahg, or do you mean create 12.04 and track changes under that? because that would make sense
[23:35] <micahg> sure
[23:36] <knome> okay, great
[23:36] <knome> i'll do that then
[23:36] <knome> thanks for confirming :)
[23:36] <micahg> I meant if you're staring with the version in precise, just bump the version
[23:36] <knome> yeah, the version in precise is 11.10.. :D
[23:36] <micahg> so, start with 11.10.1 and we'll decide the final "version" before upload
[23:37] <knome> oki oki ;)
[23:52] <pleia2> knome: so, this next month or so is kind of crazy for me work+travel-wise
[23:52] <knome> okay...
[23:53] <pleia2> trying to prioritize tasks some, I want to get the stickers blog post out, and we'll be announcing GridCube's wallpaper thing
[23:53] <knome> sure
[23:53] <pleia2> also want to get xubuntu-website bugs triaged
[23:53] <knome> can i help with those?
[23:53] <pleia2> so you started on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1191887
[23:53] <pleia2> and I said "cannot do right now" do you remmeber where you left off?
[23:54] <knome> hmph, not really
[23:54] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1200467 should be easy
[23:55] <pleia2> and I think we just need to bug someone on list to fire up a VM and help us update the screenshots for https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1170890
[23:55] <knome> that looks like two separate issues
[23:55] <pleia2> yeah, they're all unrelated
[23:55] <knome> but 12.04 still has alterante.
[23:55] <knome> *alternate too
[23:56] <knome> so that's a future bug.
[23:56] <knome> or future item more exactly
[23:56] <knome> re: memory requirements...
[23:56] <knome> i don't know.
[23:57] <knome> is it important for somebody to know they can *try* xubunty with 256MB?
[23:57] <knome> *xubuntu
[23:57] <knome> eg. if they're considering a new machine or so
[23:57]  * pleia2 updates 1200467
[23:57] <knome> or have an extra one that's not doing anything and they want to try xubuntu before installing it on their main computer?
[23:58] <knome> yes, i know it's really rare that anybody has less than 512.
[23:58] <knome> the alternate-part also needs to be removed from the system requirements (says alternate only needs 2gb disk)


[13:04] <hubuntu> I'm working with a professional photograåher and a post production business to make a Ubuntu commercial for the web (youtube, ubuntuvideo, etc...)
[13:05] <hubuntu> now I want to show that Ubuntu is not only used by hackers and geeks, but also children, grandpas, girlfriends.
[13:06] <hubuntu> So the idea is to make a commercial that has nothing to do with ubuntu as a technology, but rather as something in the background while showing the "spirit" of Ubuntu
[13:06] <hubuntu> show in a MID, in a laptop, in a kiosk, in a computer, in a school lab
[13:07] <pep`> nice :)
[13:07] <hubuntu> If anybody would be interested in giving concrete ideas for the script of the video or have any kind of input I would welcome it
[13:08] <hubuntu> We are shooting in september, so there is time if anybody is interested
[13:09] <hubuntu> hey pep, I saw the emails
[13:09] <pep`> hubuntu: I'm writing another one
[13:10] <hubuntu> I see Onno's point, but still I believe we can work on the design at this stage as long as it is not too detailed
[13:10] <pep`> hubuntu: I remember that I was really touched by this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4&feature=related
[13:10] <pep`> yeah
[13:10] <pep`> I wrote that, the questions he asked don't keep desing thinking of happening, they don't interfere...
[13:10] <pep`> design*
[13:12] <hubuntu> I know, I think we need to clarify this and we should send an email to the marketing list as well as the su list about the meeting., It seems people is not aware of it taking plavce
[13:13] <pep`> Yes
[13:13] <pep`> I was going to do that after this e-mail
[13:13] <pep`> I was really surprised btw when Onno asked what was happening saturday, because it was on the list
[13:13] <pep`> and it's not as if there was so much traffic :)
[13:16] <hubuntu> ok...
[13:17] <pep`> phew, big e-mail just sent
[13:17] <hubuntu> you write your email and I write a meeting announcement to both lists.
[13:18] <hubuntu> saturday 19UTC?
[13:18] <hubuntu> is that a good time?
[13:19] <pep`> ĥang on
[13:19] <pep`> didn't we say 21 UC?
[13:19] <pep`> UTC
[13:20] <pep`> because I already said that to 3 persons in here, to Onno, and it's waht was on the lsit...
[13:20] <pep`> list*
[13:30] <hubuntu> ok
[13:30] <hubuntu> 21UTC then (it's kind of late)
[13:30] <pep> yeah
[13:30] <pep> but all are not in our time zone I'm afraid
[13:33] <pep> hubuntu: could you include a quick status report of the project in your meeting announcement for the marketing list?
[13:34] <hubuntu> ok, status is as follows:
[13:34] <hubuntu> diy and SU projects in launchpad are assigned to us (the SU team) now
[13:34] <pep> yes
[13:35] <hubuntu> we have a playground webserver by Houbsie to work with drupal
[13:35] <pep> -e
[13:35] <pep> ;)
[13:35] <hubuntu> *Houbsi
[13:36] <hubuntu> Leonov will be used as a start for SUgui and we will implement plug-ins for it so elements can be edited from within the app (+/- 1 years from now)
[13:37] <pep> (we've got to clarify how and in which extent we are going to use launchpad, I must say that I haven't completely seen through this... maybe you can make things clearer... I asked the question in my e-mail to the list...)
[13:39] <hubuntu> (I saw it, and the way I see it we have no choice, but we need to become better at it)
[13:39] <pep> at lp? :D
[13:39] <pep> yeah
[13:39] <pep> really^^
[13:40] <pep> I'm working on it :)
[13:40] <pep> that's why io started the blueprint and the bazaar branch for the drupal template, to get the grips a bit more
[13:40] <hubuntu> Launchpad will have the elements in their DVCS so we can track different versions and keep high quality versions of the material without killing our bandwidth or storage space
[13:40] <pep> yeah, good
[13:41] <hubuntu> the site will have the latest copy of the elements as well as a database pointing to the original elements stored in LP
[13:41] <pep> don't forget to write your thinking to the list so that it is kept up
[13:41] <pep> yes, for translation...
[13:41] <hubuntu> among others
[13:42] <hubuntu> LP will be used for translations, request tracking
[13:42] <pep> Oh, yeah i forgot al that in my e-mail!
[13:42] <hubuntu> I saw some disccusion on how that can be done practically in the marketing list
[13:43] <hubuntu> There's a guy that know alot about this (Simon I think)
[13:44] <pep> ah that makes me think of something.... promised to write an e-mail to our community manager about this
[13:59] <pep> ok, done. Don't forget to get back to the list and/or wiki with your comments about LP and Leonov ;)
[13:59] <pep> brb
[15:32] <hubuntu> pep
[15:32] <hubuntu> I'm writing the email
[15:32] <pep> right
[15:34] <hubuntu> I will paste the content when I'm done so you can add/remove anything
[15:34] <hubuntu> is good to double check
[15:34] <pep> oh right, very well
[15:47] <hubuntu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/28034/
[15:48] <pep> looking at it
[15:51] <pep> very good, just some details: line 17> space needed between they_can, line 3> you might want to precise that it's in#ubuntu marketing at 21 utc ;)
[15:51] <hubuntu> I am making changes related to time and irc channel
[15:51] <pep> YEAH
[15:51] <hubuntu> ;)
[15:51] <pep> :)
[15:51] <pep> No, it's ok
[15:51] <pep> hang on, I'll show you what I wrote to jono
[15:52] <hubuntu> ok
[15:52] <pep> hubuntu: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/28035/
[15:52] <pep> I explained the project a little more, but that's not really necessary for the team
[15:52] <pep> also
[15:54] <pep> you might want to poitn out that we can use the help of someone familiar with launchpad and bzr, etc...
[15:54] <pep> point*
[15:54] <pep> but it's not essential really, you said the most important
[16:00] <hubuntu> I added that now
[16:00] <hubuntu> I'm off
[16:00] <hubuntu> see ya later
[16:02] <pep> bye
[16:57] <Flannel> pep: those questions weren't designed to be answered right away, but instead at our get together thing on Sat.


[00:44] <azriel> I dont know if my problem is ubuntu or not, I'm trying to run a program i wrote but it's saying: bash: ./dist/GSAM.exe: cannot execute binary file, is this a known problem?
[00:51] <azriel> what?
[00:52] <Pici> azriel: It appears you've been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops due to your recent behavior in #ubuntu
[00:52] <Pici> Allright then.
[00:53] <Unit193> -irc
[00:57] <Pici> Hi again.
[00:57] <Pici> or not..
[00:57] <azriel> ?
[00:57] <Pici> Hi again.....
[00:57] <azriel> hi im new to the irc thing
[00:58] <azriel> so do you know what's wrong with my computer?
[00:58] <Pici> Well, I'd like to remind you of our channel guidelines, since the last time you were in #ubuntu you appeared to not have any knowledge of them.
[00:58] <Pici> !guidelines
[00:59] <Pici> Please take a look and remember that #ubuntu is an all volunteer channel and that cursing and disrepecting our helpers is not tolerated.
[00:59] <azriel> k
[01:02] <azriel> ok I've read them
[01:02] <azriel> I'll keep the page bookmarked
[01:03] <Pici> Okay, I'm going to unban you.  Keep in mind we aren't going to be so lenient if there is a next time.
[01:04] <Pici> azriel: you're all set.
[01:07] <azriel> thank you
 anyone willing to write me a fully selinux script for 11.10 it can be python if thats easier and be willing to do it for $25
[03:08] <elky> in -devel too
[03:09] <bazhang> whats with pondera
[03:09] <bazhang> just asking the m to msgthebot
[03:23] <userman> hi ll
[03:23] <userman> *all
[03:23] <bazhang> hi
[03:23] <userman> is there an admin here?
[03:24] <pangolin> what can we help you with userman
[03:25] <userman> ive got banned from ubuntu-de for telling my opinion - I did not use swearwords or insults, i just told those guys my opinion about their rude behavior to new members
[03:25] <pangolin> userman: join #ubuntu-irc please and we can talk about it there
[03:25] <userman> thx
[03:43] <pangolin> userman: Since there is nothing for us to help you with. Please part this channel.
[04:02] <elky> someone prep a kb for omido? i have one prepped for dannel
[04:03] <pangolin> give bazhang temp op :)
[04:04] <bazhang> just +m the channel for a few
[04:04] <elky> i'm more hoping they take this rope
[04:04] <elky> mostly dannel, because next time we might not be babysitting.
[04:05] <bazhang> dannel is the real instigator of all this
[04:05] <elky> dannel didn't make omido say that.
[04:06] <bazhang> goldaurum is grex0
[04:07] <bazhang> only -ot's reigning ban evader
[04:07] <elky> we know this how?
[04:11] <Pici> the bans no longer stand afaik
[04:11] <pangolin> hmm, things are getting out of control in there
 Say my regards to your mom's Israeli boyfriend. FU jewish cuckold
[04:20] <elky> * omido has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[04:20] <elky> Huge loss.
[04:21] <pangolin> I see LTB in his future
[04:22] <pangolin> Long Term Ban*
[04:22] <pangolin> before anyone asks
[04:36] <pangolin> who would have guessed that the solution was ryax
[06:32] <vibhav> Flood at #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:32] <vibhav> done
[10:13] <Myrtti> srp_: hi, how can we help you?
[10:14] <srp_> Myrtti: sorry.. joined the channel by mistake.. read the description now.. sorry..
[12:13] <ikonia> he didn't join by mistake
[12:13] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:13] <ikonia> vijaym trying to ban evade, but I put a forward on
[12:18] <Tm_T> aww
[12:31] <Myrtti> I'm getting seriously bored with the offtopic in #ubuntu
[12:32] <topyli> -ot, on the other hand, is very quiet. there might be some synergy there
[13:04] <ikonia> hello srp__
[13:04] <ikonia> or vijaym
[13:09] <ikonia> srp__: you need to speak if you are going to re-gain access to #ubuntu
[14:57] <bazhang> must be blame ubuntu week
[15:11] <popey> s/week/year/
[15:12] <mneptok> popey: don't do that. now i stink and need a hairvut and shave *really* badly.
[15:48] <Ho^Oh> ikonia: What the hell is your problem.
[15:48] <Ho^Oh> Chill out. Gawd.
[15:48] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: I asked you to stop aiding the sillyness that was going on in
[15:48] <ikonia> you continued, I've removed you, you're welcome to rejoin as you have done, but please don't
[15:49] <ikonia> if people come in making silly comments, please don't try to start "joking" conversations about, it just adds others (as you saw) to make comments
[15:49] <ikonia> (please)
[15:49] <ikonia> doable ?
[15:50] <Ho^Oh> I didn't post any more jokes regardign it..
[15:50] <ikonia> no, but others where and you started making "lol" comments
[15:50] <Ho^Oh> You'rejust being a fast tight ass about it.
[15:50] <ikonia> it just fules it for comments
[15:50] <ikonia> fuels even
[15:51] <ikonia> in future, if you could please try not to make those comments, so that others don't join in, it would be most appreciated
[15:51] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: is that acceptable ?
[15:51] <scriptwarlock> ikonia, me?
[15:51] <Ho^Oh> It' not even all that serious, it dies out quick.
[15:51] <ikonia> scriptwarlock: no, Ho^Oh
[15:51] <scriptwarlock> ikonia, what about me
[15:51] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: it's not serious, I agree, but it's also not needed in such as busy channel
[15:52] <ikonia> scriptwarlock: same for you really - you saw the user was removed, you saw me ask other users to stop making comments about it, and you posted another comment after I'd already asked.
[15:52] <ikonia> same to you really something silly happens in the channel, it was delt with, just leave it be,
[15:52] <scriptwarlock> ikonia, oh sorry wont do it anymore
[15:52] <ikonia> the more someone makes a comment/joke, the more others want to join in that joke,
[15:52] <ikonia> scriptwarlock: no problem,
[15:52] <ikonia> scriptwarlock: thank you, you're of course welcome to rejoin #ubuntu
[15:53] <scriptwarlock> ikonia, thanks :)
[15:53] <ikonia> scriptwarlock: great, please /part this channel, appreciate you joining
[15:53] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: you ok with that too ?
[15:54] <Ho^Oh> ikonia: You're still were out of line with that kick.
[15:54] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: your entitled to your opinion
[15:54] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: however, I asked you, you continued to contribute to the joke discussion, so I remove dyou
[15:55] <ikonia> now I'm asking you not to do that sort of thing again
[15:55] <ikonia> is that acceptable ?
[15:59] <Ho^Oh> To be asked to not make a joke is one thng, but throwing a person out for something like this is just kickhappy.
[16:00] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: asking to not make a joke, ignoring that and continuing in the disucssion is just rude
[16:00] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: hence why you and all the others got kicked
[16:00] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: bottom line - sorry if you feel it's harsh, but it doesn't change anything
[16:01] <ikonia> I need to know you understand that I've asked you to not make those sorts of jokes/comments in the support channel in future, and you are comfortable with that
[16:01] <ikonia> as long as you are comfortable with that, I'm happy, and there is no issue
[16:06] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: all good ?
[16:07] <Ho^Oh> I meant that it was fine to be asked to move back on topic, I get the point but the whole channel was no where near being derailed, I'm sure if anyone knew an answer to a question involving Ubuntu, those participating would've made answering that first priority rather than cracking anymore jokes.
[16:08] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: not disussing that
[16:08] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: I'm discussing if you are comfortable no making/particiapting in that sort of joking discussion in the main support channel please.
[16:08] <ikonia> "not" sorry
[16:12] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: all clear ? and you're ok with that ?
[16:12] <Ho^Oh> I can sit in a channel and not crack jokes every five seconds, but not comfortable if none can be made. It wasn't really a discussion as I didn't turn it into a topic.
[16:13] <ikonia> Ho^Oh: ok, if you are not conformtable not making jokes in #ubuntu, don't use the channel then
[16:13] <ikonia> if you're not comfortable keeping it to support discussion #ubuntu may not be a good fit for you
[16:13] <ikonia> joking comments build up into discussion / participation from others, as was seen in the example where I asked you to stop
[16:14] <Myrtti> you're welcome to sit in #ubuntu-offtopic and crack jokes all the time if you want
[16:14] <Myrtti> it's quite quiet there so there's plenty of airspace for knockknock jokes
[16:14] <Myrtti> and better
[16:15] <Myrtti> I prefer puns myself.
[16:15] <Ho^Oh> Myrtti: The offtopic channel isn't as busy, if anything, I would be better off in freenode's main channel for regular chat.
[16:16] <Myrtti> feel free to use that for jokes then. We all need a bit of fun in our lives. #defocus is quite quiet at the moment too
[16:24] <Tm_T> good work ikonia
[17:13] <bazhang> * srp__<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[17:13] <bazhang> ikonia, ha s he been unbanned?
[17:17] <Myrtti> doesn't look like it judging from monitor
[17:17] <Myrtti> his ip and ident have changed
 FloodBot 2: can you help me?
[18:13] <bazhang> probably better than me at this point
[18:13] <bazhang> no idea why trevor is recommending tuxboot rather than unetbootin
[19:05] <bazhang> * [XubuntuOne] (~XubuntuOn@100-37-215.ftth.xms.internl.net): XubuntuOne
[21:25] <silverlion> evening
[22:04] <Myrtti> was that triggered?
[22:16] <theadmin> Can someone get rid of Gorilla_no_baka or what's-his-name... My head hurts enough without the trolls lol
[22:19] <Myrtti> well he is quiet for now
[22:19] <theadmin> Indeed
[22:19] <theadmin> Hope he'll quiet down...
[22:21] <theadmin> Thanks anyway.