[12:00] <pgidz> leo apt-get install cdrecord
[12:00] <ubuntu> anyone here experienced with installing linux on an ibm laptop ?
[12:00] <leo> ahhh
[12:00] <pgidz> leo then i'll give you the command to burn your iso
[12:01] <ubuntu> i understand i better backup the 4gb drive containin windoze, how can i do that ?
[12:01] <leo> it said "cdrecord is already the newest version."
[12:01] <pgidz> leo so you have cdrecord
[12:01] <terje> ubuntu: one way would be to boot the ubuntu live CD and not worry about backing up the drive.
[12:02] <nalioth> ubuntu: a friend with a usb2/firewire dvd burner?
[12:02] <pgidz> leo what do you want to do with it
[12:02] <leo> use it to burn my iso to cd
[12:02] <pgidz> leo find out what your cd is it will be hdc or hdd or somthing like that
[12:03] <lsuactiafner> whats the command to make an exact duplicate of a dvd?
[12:03] <littlefae> I've come to the conclusion, that Linux + Wifi = Waste of a short life. :(
[12:03] <terje> lsuactiafner: dd
[12:03] <ubuntu> terje, im running live cd right now. but you cant use it for a long time, i mean editing the network properties each time and stuff ... thats no fun
[12:03] <littlefae> Everyone's got these wonderful 'howtos' but not one of them has worked 100%
[12:03] <ubuntu> nalioth, i have a dvd burner on another computer on the network, what can i do ?
[12:03] <pgidz> littlefae did you check to see if you had your wlan0 using dhcp to get your ip address
[12:04] <littlefae> It did
[12:04] <leo> i think its hdd
[12:04] <littlefae> I even tried a static one, based on the routers recommendation.
[12:04] <terje> ubuntu: just never reboot :)
[12:04] <nalioth> ubuntu: there is some way to send your 4gb HD stuff over to the other puter?
[12:04] <ubuntu> terje, hey its a laptop :P
[12:04] <pgidz> leo then type cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd then name of the iso file but put a cd in the drive first
[12:04] <littlefae> When using DHCP I get 'network cant be accessed' When using static I get 50000ms mispings
[12:05] <littlefae> *Network unreachable
[12:05] <terje> ubuntu: ah yes.. actually what I do is boot the live CD and I have a script that rsync's my homedir to a server
[12:05] <leo> cool, and i don't even have to be in the right directory?
[12:05] <terje> so when I boot up off the CD, I just download all my files, logout and log back in and I have my desktop.
[12:05] <pgidz> leo is it working for you
[12:06] <ubuntu> nalioth, i have no problem sending it over the network, but how can i access that partition ?
[12:06] <leo> hang on i'll get a blank
[12:06] <nalioth> ubuntu: i'm assuming you want to backup wndows to put linux on the 4gb laptop HD?
[12:06] <pgidz> leo make sure you put the full directory path to your iso file
[12:06] <terje> ubnutu: if it's a windows box, they have a backup utility that can be used to create a back up .DAT file. Send that over the network to the system w/ the burner.
[12:06] <vinux> hey yuacht I found the problem hehe, I guess I was in a rush to set up my sources when I installed because I left 2 not usable
[12:07] <leo> ok
[12:07] <pgidz> littlefae if you hardwire to your router from your laptop can you access the net
[12:07] <littlefae> I can't hardwire to it.
[12:07] <ubuntu> nalioth, i dont know, if i could turn the 40gb partition into two, i would install linux over there .. but i want to backup that one any way
[12:07] <littlefae> My iBook works fine, though.  And it worked fine from my brothers netgear
[12:07] <pgidz> littlefae why do you not have eth on your laptop
[12:07] <nalioth> ubuntu: i'm sorry, i read one of your previous posts saying "4" gb HD
[12:07] <yuacht> vinux, see, there you go ;)
[12:07] <littlefae> Er, not built in. :D
[12:08] <nalioth> ubuntu: 34 extra gigs makes a big difference in planning for ubuntu
[12:08] <littlefae> It's built-in to the dock, but I don't have the dock
[12:08] <pgidz> littlefae didi you check to see if the w/lan card was on the same channel/freq as the router
[12:08] <leo> pgidz: for some reason the cd thats in there won't unmount or eject
[12:09] <pgidz> leo what cd have you got in there
[12:09] <littlefae> Same channel yes, frequency, I can't tell.
[12:09] <ubuntu> nalioth, heh, it has a 40gb hdd with windoze on it, and a "hidden" 4gb hdd with windows installation or something ...
[12:09] <leo> the original iso cd i burned
[12:09] <leo> but not bootable
[12:09] <leo> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:09] <leo> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:09] <leo> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdd' failed
[12:09] <littlefae> What I can tell you, is that the router acknowledges it's existence, and picked up the MAC from it
[12:09] <nalioth> ubuntu: ah. do you have partition magic?
[12:09] <nalioth> ubuntu: or is it time to reinstall windows?
[12:09] <pgidz> leo do a reboot and take the cd out when the system lets you
[12:10] <leo> ok
[12:10] <leo> brb 4
[12:10] <LinuxNewb> hey guys
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> i changed my login password and now i cant login
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> how can i recover
[12:11] <xeiro> do u remeber the root password?
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> ya
[12:11] <pgidz> littlefae go into network tools and check your ip address
[12:11] <LinuxNewb> it tried it like fifty times
[12:12] <littlefae> Thats the problem.. it isn't getting one via DHCP
[12:12] <xeiro> LinuxNewb: can u login as root?
[12:12] <zeeeee> hi all, what's the package to get manpages for the standard C syscalls (read, fopen, etc)
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> nope
[12:12] <yuacht> littlefae, try setting static
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> and i dont have another account
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> i didnt make one yet
[12:12] <xeiro> LinuxNewb: but u remember the root password right?
[12:12] <LinuxNewb> yep
[12:12] <ubuntu> nalioth, i dont have partition magic atm, i can *get* it though ... i thought of using qtparted from a live cd, but it doesnt seem to be able to do that ... im afraid ill ruin my legal copy of windoze ;_;
[12:12] <littlefae> I did, but all I got was a dead network, no pingability
[12:12] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: log into rescue mode
[12:13] <yuacht> LinuxNewb, check out ubuntuguide, i think there's a entry about this matter
[12:13] <xeiro> LinuxNewb: do u know how to get to a virtual terminal?
[12:13] <LinuxNewb> how can i do that
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: and change the password of your account
[12:13] <nalioth> ubuntu: the easiest (and priciest) way is to use PM to resize your disk
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: do u not get the option at boot-time?
[12:13] <pgidz> littlefae whan you do iwconfig does it give you an access point address
[12:13] <littlefae> I used mandrake to install Ubuntu. :D
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: something like safe mode, rescue mode...
[12:13] <LinuxNewb> nopei go straight to the login in screen
[12:13] <nalioth> ubuntu: using qtparted to resize is not gonna ruin your windows (to my knowledge)
[12:13] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: k, do u have an ubuntu live cd?
[12:14] <misfit_toy> if anybody is having ndiswrapper problems, the new 1.2v is out and seems to fix a ton of issues, it definitely fixed my netgear WG511
[12:14] <littlefae> "Some odd hex address, which turns out to be the MAC for my router
[12:14] <nalioth> yuacht: please do not recommend ubuntuguide
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> ya
[12:14] <yuacht> nalioth, why is that?
[12:14] <pgidz> littlefae you don't have wep on do you
[12:14] <littlefae> Nope
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> ill pop that in there
[12:14] <goldfish> LinuxNewb: ubuntuguide.org has a bit to show u how to log in as root with the live cd, then u can change the password of your account.
[12:14] <nalioth> yuacht: refer to #3, please: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> ok
[12:14] <nalioth> goldfish: you too, please
[12:14] <LinuxNewb> i wonder why it messed up in the first place ?
[12:14] <rrc23> Seveas Please could you help me configure the resolution of my monitor? It should be able to work with 800*600 as it does in windows xp, but ubuntu 5.04 allows to be displayed in 640*400 only. I have ATI RADEON 9250 graphic card and. Thank you
[12:15] <pgidz> littlefae thats not on on the router and the ESSID is the correct one
[12:15] <goldfish> nalioth: sorry :/
[12:15] <Seveas> rrc23: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:15] <goldfish> nalioth: sorry, didn't know, maybe add it to the topic?
[12:15] <yuacht> nalioth, okay. didn't know that
[12:15] <Seveas> I cannot help beyond that, as my X skills are quite limited
[12:16] <littlefae> I checked it all.  Everything states that it should bee working, but there's no actual communication
[12:16] <nalioth> goldfish: yuacht the less we recommend the 'guide (until it's updated/modified), the less we'll see problems from its use in here
[12:16] <goldfish> nalioth: ok, cool.
[12:16] <littlefae> The network applet, for the panel, indicates a brief period of two-way communication, but nothing.  dmesg shows nothing untowards either
[12:16] <Seveas> And enabling root is something you should never advise :)
[12:16] <pgidz> littlefae I had the prob with mine that it looked like it should have worked but when I check out the kernal log it had given an error and not load the card up
[12:17] <goldfish> I didn't.
[12:17] <littlefae> Nope, I don't get a single error, this is why I'm so annoyed.
[12:17] <pgidz> littlefae have you checked the kernal log thats the only way I found the error, also are you getting a good signal
[12:18] <littlefae> Signal states 100%, the dmesg thing reports 0% errors.
[12:19] <pgidz> littlefae and you have no firewall running
[12:19] <littlefae> Yes, but it only filters incoming traffic, from the net, not into the WLAN
[12:19] <littlefae> It worked when I had the netgear PCMCIA card on loan, but not with this card.
[12:20] <pgidz> littlefae all i can suggest then is sell the card you have and get a netgear
[12:20] <pgidz> littlefae sorry i couldn't help
[12:20] <littlefae> Yeah, I'll take it back to the shop, and pay twice as much for the netgear, then. :/
[12:20] <leo> sorry what was the command again to burn the iso to the blank using cdrecorder/.
[12:20] <littlefae> I'm so annoyed with Linux for it's lack of hardware support. >_<
[12:21] <yuacht> littlefae, that's because everything is made for windows
[12:21] <yuacht> it's not because of linux
[12:21] <pgidz> littlefae i have a d-link dwl 520+ and it works fine with kernal 2.6.10-5 and it cost about 25-30
[12:21] <vinux> littlefae, yea don't get mad at linux but get mad at the hardware makers :)
[12:21] <mjr> littlefae, oh. I, for one, am annoyed at hardware manufacturers for their lack of Linux support.
[12:21] <xvlun> cheap hardware == cheap support, its your choice in the end
[12:21] <littlefae> But... when something /does/ work with linux, you usually need to recompile this, add that, compile this, make a .deb and reinstall it.
[12:21] <mjr> well, those to whom this applies anyway; like ati and nvidia and stuff
[12:22] <mjr> littlefae, come come, now you're just trolling
[12:22] <jakobbg> Hi - doesn't vanilla ubuntu5.04-kernel support apm (laptop suspend) at all? i need to recompile the kernel!?
[12:22] <pgidz> littlefae i had to rename one file and my card worked
[12:22] <littlefae> Linux has been out for how long now?... ANd they haven't yet made installing drivers easy? :(
[12:22] <yuacht> littlefae, ubuntu supports most hardware
[12:22] <Poromies> linux has been around from early 90's
[12:23] <mjr> if you buy stuff that's not supported in the mainline kernel, it's your fault
[12:23] <Seveas> jakobbg, of course it does support it...
[12:23] <jakobbg> littlefae: yuacht is right. my pcmcia wireless just popped right up, working out of the box. including x setup on my laptop lcd screen, it's super.
[12:23] <littlefae> I agree, 98% of my laptop was supported out of the box.  But networking on it its proving to be an absolute irritant.   And that's why when I build my next computer i'm going to make sure ubuntu supports it
[12:24] <jakobbg> Seveas: no, it doesn't! :-)
[12:24] <LinuxNewb> then made my new pssword..then it dont work
[12:24] <littlefae> And that one netgear isn't made any more. :(
[12:24] <Poromies> littlefae: its not software/operating system responsibility to make device drivers, its the hardware manufacturers.. its kinda hard to make device drivers without good and detailed knowledge of the hardware and its funtions
[12:24] <Seveas> jakobbg, pm=apm on the kernel command line..?
[12:24] <littlefae> But why make it hard for the user, when it /is/ available?
[12:24] <Razor-X> wooh, i'm level 12 in Progress Quest ;)
[12:24] <Poromies> compared to that fact, linux hardwaresupport is fenomenal
[12:24] <Razor-X> Poromies: phenomenal ;)
[12:24] <Seveas> littlefae, that is not the fault of linux
[12:25] <Poromies> yadayada
[12:25] <Seveas> it is the fault of stupid companies...
[12:25] <littlefae> Eh?
[12:25] <mwe> the linux kernel developers should not be responsible for easy driver installation
[12:25] <elis> guess it is default
[12:25] <littlefae> So the stupid companies make all those irritating innacurte howtos?   But if the instructions for the 'solutions' actually worked, I'd have no problems.
[12:26] <Poromies> yea, its HARD to make drivers when you cant get detailed tech-data about thing you are making the driver for
[12:26] <Razor-X> exactly
[12:26] <Razor-X> (even though i'm not aware of the opposing viewpoint here...)
[12:26] <Poromies> because hw-manufacturers generaly dont want to give out their "trade-secrets"
[12:26] <nalioth> Razor-X: have you been at the coffee a little much?
[12:26] <littlefae> This isn't about drivers any more, it's about the lousy 'solutions' I've had to follow, only to find I wasted a lot of effort, because it still doesn't work
[12:27] <leo> what was the command again to burn the iso to the blank using cdrecorder/.
[12:27] <elis> wish yu get it sucesfull
[12:27] <LinuxNewb> ok..so my root password works..how can i alter a user password
[12:27] <littlefae> Some are near impossible to read, sometimes.
[12:27] <jakobbg> Seveas: `sudo apm -s` gives me "No APM support in kernel"
[12:27] <pgidz> leo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd name of iso with directory path
[12:27] <Seveas> littlefae, that is because solutions only work in the environment of the author of that solution
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> they dont give "trade-secrets" out becuase they will easily get sued for any possible patent
[12:27] <Razor-X> littlefae: are you trying to say closed-source software is better than open-source?
[12:27] <mjr> LinuxNewb, "passwd user"
[12:27] <LinuxNewb> kk
[12:27] <littlefae> I guess I am.
[12:27] <Seveas> jakobbg, kernel boot parameters / modules can change that...
[12:27] <jakobbg> haha
[12:28] <Razor-X> littlefae: that's like saying a prison cell is better than the open air
[12:28] <Poromies> littlefae: yea, that mostly is true.. usualy people writing those how-to:s are so hardened "tech-geeks" that they tend to forgot the "common language" :)
[12:28] <littlefae> Since closed-source means that there's some kid of common basis.
[12:28] <Seveas> littlefae, not really...
[12:28] <mjr> littlefae, umm, does not follow
[12:28] <mwe> um
[12:28] <Razor-X> littlefae: hahahahahaHAHAHAHA
[12:28] <Razor-X> tell me just how many RPCs did Microsoft follow
[12:28] <littlefae> All the solutions for getting my USB cam to work in OSX worked well.  We all had similar features.
[12:28] <Razor-X> and i'll give you that many pennies ;)
[12:29] <Poromies> closed source means that everybody has their own basis
[12:29] <littlefae> In Linux, everything is so radically different from everyone else, it's a nightmare
[12:29] <Seveas> littlefae, again, not really
[12:29] <jakobbg> Seveas: `sudo modprobe apm` gives me "FATAL: Error inserting apm (/path/to/apm/module.ko): No such device
[12:29] <Razor-X> littlefae: you mean, you want Linux to follow OSX implementation procedure?
[12:29] <Poromies> by that you mean that everything is radically different compared to windoze
[12:29] <Seveas> littlefae, it's distributions like RedCrap that instroduce stupid incompatibilities
[12:29] <littlefae> What I'd like, is to double click a driver, and watch it install, not fart about with compilations, shell scripts and kernel editing
[12:30] <Seveas> And of course, linux is evolving
[12:30] <Razor-X> Seveas: you mean, Fedora Crap ;)
[12:30] <wolverian> littlefae: please go troll somewhere else
[12:30] <Razor-X> littlefae: then Linux isn't for you
[12:30] <Seveas> Razor-X, both, actually
[12:30] <mwe> not everyone should us linux
[12:30] <wolverian> littlefae: such as #microsoft or something :)
[12:30] <Razor-X> Linux means you use your brain
[12:30] <Seveas> but mainly the company Red Hat
[12:30] <Poromies> hm you can do that in linux if you have the right hardware
[12:30] <Razor-X> if you view the computer as a tool which must serve you, but nothing more than a tool
[12:30] <Razor-X> then it's your mindset
[12:30] <jakobbg> littlefae: that will be available when hardware producers start documenting their products.
[12:30] <Razor-X> same as some view a car as a tool, and others something that can be tailored to perfection
[12:30] <jakobbg> or opensourcing their work
[12:31] <Seveas> littlefae, in an ideal open source world you would not need to install drivers
[12:31] <Razor-X> the reason Open-Source doesen't work is because humans are greedy
[12:31] <Poromies> if you demand that kind of compatibility, then use either a: hardware that is very well supported b: buy a mac
[12:31] <Seveas> they would all be bundled/installed by your distribution
[12:31] <mjr> littlefae, that'd be nice, but it'd be nicer if the drivers were already there, which would happen if hardware manufacturers _didn't_ do their own thing and co-operated with the kernel maintainers into getting good drivers in
[12:31] <Razor-X> Seveas: you're quoting Marxism
[12:31] <mjr> there -> in the kernel
[12:31] <nikkia> seveas, heh, i remmeber MS saying that around the time of win95
[12:31] <leo> pgidz: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/home/leo/desktop/KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso'.
[12:31] <jakobbg> open source also works for greedy people
[12:31] <nikkia> 'we have all the core drivers on the CD, there won't be any need for driver disks'
[12:31] <Poromies> heh, this seems to stirr up some emotions :D
[12:31] <Razor-X> jakobbg: much less so
[12:31] <Seveas> macs work because there is VERY VERY limited choice in hardware...
[12:31] <nikkia> seveas, that isn't really true
[12:32] <Seveas> (apart from usb/firewire)
[12:32] <pgidz> leo just check if that is the correct place for the file
[12:32] <jakobbg> nah, the licence can just limit the ways the software can be used, and dual licence it for other uses.
[12:32] <Poromies> Seveas: exactly :)
[12:32] <Razor-X> that's very true
[12:32] <Razor-X> Macs don't really work well
[12:32] <mwe> and there are commercial interests in making everything easy to use
[12:32] <Razor-X> plus, anything that's non USB-HID is hellish to setup in Mac
[12:32] <Seveas> But usb/firewire devices are so goddamn easy to support: there are standards that all manufacturers adhere too
[12:32] <Seveas> to*
[12:32] <Poromies> i have 3 macs here, and i have never had any HW problems with them :D
[12:32] <littlefae> Mac works for me..
[12:32] <pgidz> leo copy it from your desktop to your home directory
[12:32] <jakobbg> software can be open sourced and still be unusable as a product
[12:32] <nikkia> seveas, even ignoring USB/Firewire, you have ATI/nVidia, about 10-15 different chipsets, 3 different CPU generations, comprising about 30 different CPU revisions, AGP vs PCI vs PCI64 vs PCI-X, etc etc
[12:32] <jakobbg> due to a licence
[12:33] <lsuactiafner> is there a way to load a 30mb video bad quality tho into the ram uncomprssed so it would play with mplayer under heave loads without skippin a beat?
[12:33] <Seveas> nikkia, compare that to the available hardware
[12:33] <pgidz> leo so the command would be /home/leo/KNOPP etc
[12:33] <Seveas> that us an extremely limited subset
[12:33] <jakobbg> lsuactiafner: hard frame dropping?
[12:33] <nikkia> seveas, no, its not, not really
[12:33] <Seveas> and not all is supported by all macos versions
[12:33] <mjr> yes, it is, really
[12:33] <jakobbg> lsuactiafner: or just give it a high nicevalue
[12:33] <nikkia> seveas, all of adaptec's scsi controllers, bar a couple of oddball 'budget' cards worked on macs without any hassle, for example
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> jakobbg : am already doing that
[12:34] <Seveas> nikkia, that is 1 (one) manufacturer...
[12:34] <leo> pgidz: i can't think of any other right location to put in instead
[12:34] <nikkia> seveas, just one example
[12:34] <jakobbg> hmm. use qnx?
[12:34] <pgidz> leo have you copied it into your home directory
[12:34] <jakobbg> or some other decent RTOS?
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> jakobbg : that defeats the point, i want to load it in ram, uncomprssed so that mplayer has very little overhead becuase it creates my desktop background
[12:34] <pgidz> leo so it would be in /home/leo
[12:34] <nikkia> seveas, i won't deny its a subset, but its not a small subset, more hw works on macs than most realise
[12:34] <leo> its on the desktop
[12:34] <jakobbg> haha, ok :-)
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> currenly its usin 4% @ good quality and 0.8% in bad quality
[12:35] <littlefae> I just wanted a nice little runaround laptop for use out and about, and everything works well, except networking.    The commands are horrendous to use, the drivers seem imposible to get, for so much hardware, and yet, people have solutions, but they just don't work.  I'll make it work sooner or later, if it's possible, but I tell you, Linux devs and support 'st
[12:35] <pgidz> leo it may work if you copy it into /home/leo
[12:35] <leo> ok ill try that
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> but i think if i uncompress it once only and put it in dam it will be better
[12:35] <Poromies> nikkia: yea macs have today quite large HW support
[12:35] <littlefae> Except for cams
[12:35] <Poromies> mainly because of the OSS background with the ground system :)
[12:36] <Razor-X> littlefae: the commands are enormous?
[12:36] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:36] <nikkia> poromies, actually, the time period where i put most of my oddball hw into macs (and it just worked) was around the time of OS 9
[12:36] <littlefae> Horrendous, I said. :P
[12:36] <Razor-X> I spent much more time tweaking my Linux system than my Windows system
[12:36] <Andrew|iBook> damn this is like no ops for this many users
[12:36] <Razor-X> littlefae: I operate about 95% in CLI
[12:36] <leo> yaaaaaayy it worked!! thanks heaps pgidz!!
[12:36] <pgidz> leo no problem mate only here to help
[12:36] <Razor-X> but, my Linux system is now so much more streamlined than the Windows system, and so much more customized
[12:36] <Razor-X> that, the tradeoff is excellent
[12:37] <nikkia> Poromies: the only card i really had a problem with, was a cheap $20 video capture card, and it worked, just the tuner didn't
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> how long does it take for the disk's to shit
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> ship*
[12:37] <Razor-X> true, very few people can use the box henceforth
[12:37] <Razor-X> Andrew|iBook: just wait, a lot of orders come in
[12:37] <Razor-X> *in that
[12:37] <vinux> Andrew|iBook, lol what a typo :)
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> y
[12:37] <Andrew|iBook> ya*
[12:38] <Andrew|iBook> i think thats the first time i did that one
[12:38] <prc> I have a problem with playing sounds
[12:38] <mwe> heh
[12:38] <Razor-X> I wonder...
[12:38] <Poromies> hmm, this sound-system thing seems to pop up quite often :|
[12:39] <Razor-X> how many people can use Dvorak keyboard layout, trackball, mostly everything terminal-ish, and emacs binds in everything terminal ;)
[12:39] <Whooper> Hey! I'm having trouble installing ubuntu.. the partitioner doesn't detect any partition on my drive... is there some other way to do this? =/
[12:39] <prc> does anyone know how to let a sound application and the os both play sounds
[12:39] <Razor-X> Whooper: what partiton is already on the drive?
[12:39] <nikkia> Razor-X: erm, can you repeat that, a little easier to understand?
[12:39] <Razor-X> nikkia: hmmmm?
[12:40] <jakobbg> :-))
[12:40] <Whooper> Razor-X: several.. I've had gentoo on it before, so it's a big root partition and swap partition atleast, including a windows partition
[12:40] <Seveas> prc, let the application use esd...
[12:40] <Whooper> Razor-X: the root partition is reiserfs btw
[12:40] <Erick_-> Do you know how to configure a wireless network using a belkin F5D7000 card?
[12:40] <Razor-X> Whooper: how many out of the thousands that use computers?
[12:40] <Razor-X> errr.. nevermind
[12:40] <Razor-X> disregard the last statement
[12:40] <Whooper> :)
[12:41] <Whooper> disregarded
[12:41] <Razor-X> Whooper: if you're using Gentoo, why not use something like cfdisk?
[12:41] <mwe> heh
[12:41] <prc> Sev, I'm using SND (I don't know if that makes any difference), and to let SND use esd, I have to kill the os sounds
[12:41] <Razor-X> you should have the uber sk1llage ;)
[12:41] <Razor-X> *ub3r
[12:41] <nikkia> razor, i meant repeat that comment about dvorak etc, it didn't really make sense, mostly because of 'mostly everything terminal' bit
[12:41] <sara_poo__> does anyone know the package name for sun's jre?
[12:41] <Whooper> Razor-X: not using gentoo right now though.. since windows has overwritten the mbr with lilo :)
[12:41] <yuacht> sara_poo__, hold on a sec, i'll look it up for you
[12:42] <sara_poo__> yuacht, thanks
[12:42] <Razor-X> Whooper: use a Linux boot-floppy
[12:42] <Whooper> Razor-X: ok.. I'll try that... what does cfdisk do?
[12:43] <yuacht> sara_poo__, sun-j2re1.5
[12:43] <yuacht> it's in the backports repo
[12:43] <mai> Whooper, it partitions your disk
[12:43] <Razor-X> nikkia: most every repeatable action (MP3 Player, text editor, directory rowsing) done in a terminal
[12:43] <siorfin> i am getting a cannot initialize mtab file on boot up no any clue how to fix that
[12:43] <sara_poo__> yuacht, ehh, i need 1.4.2
[12:43] <holycow> heh
[12:43] <Razor-X> Whooper: it's a command-line partitioner
[12:43] <Razor-X> just get SystemRescueCD
[12:43] <holycow> i had one dude sit down to take a go at using linux
[12:43] <nikkia> razor, i could, if i wanted to, but i choose not to
[12:43] <yuacht> sara_poo__, why?
[12:43] <Razor-X> you can never not benefit from having that
[12:43] <holycow> crashed the fucking thing hard
[12:43] <Whooper> Razor-X: ok.. same interface as fdisk?
[12:43] <holycow> within like 4 minutes
[12:43] <holycow> :)
[12:43] <Razor-X> nikkia: could you use it profficiently?
[12:43] <sara_poo__> yuacht, i want to install IBM's db2, and it says it needs 1.4.2
[12:43] <nikkia> razor, of course, i did for decades
[12:43] <Razor-X> Whooper: better, much better
[12:43] <sara_poo__> i guess i could try 1.6
[12:43] <sara_poo__> *1.5
[12:44] <Razor-X> nikkia: congrats!
[12:44] <prc> Seveas, any ideas?
[12:44] <nikkia> razor, when i started using linux, X wasn't even ported to it
[12:44] <Whooper> Razor-X: ah, good... i've had a hard time with fdisk :)
[12:44] <Razor-X> you used Dvorak?
[12:44] <sara_poo__> yuacht, thats not coming up in a search for me, I have universal sources, what am i missing?
[12:44] <Razor-X> Whooper: well, fdisk is pretty shitty
[12:44] <aurax> anyone here uses the hylafax?
[12:44] <nikkia> razor, yeah, used it for a couple of years, but choose not to use it anymore, i spend too much time shifting between systems
[12:44] <aurax> server*
[12:44] <Razor-X> nikkia: that's why I love my box ;)
[12:44] <Razor-X> it's all customized to me
[12:44] <yuacht> sara_poo__, try it
[12:45] <sara_poo__> yuacht, i will, thanks.  But any idea why it doesn't come up for me in an apt-cache search j2re ?  I have universal sources.....
[12:45] <nikkia> razor, that doesn't really help when i have to fix someone else's code at the office
[12:45] <yuacht> sara_poo__, it's in the backports repo
[12:45] <Razor-X> nikkia: i'm never going to go into computers anyways, so, I don't care ;0
[12:45] <Razor-X> *;)
[12:45] <Razor-X> programming is a nice hobby
[12:45] <Hanna_> i need some coffee.
[12:46] <Razor-X> but, no need to do it for a living
[12:46] <nikkia> razor, *shrug* i enjoy my programming job
[12:46] <Razor-X> no, that's where math comes in :)
[12:46] <asdx> is there a gui for iptables?
[12:46] <fsd3> hi i have a problem with my infrared. it was disabled in the bios when i installed ubuntu. (didn t know) . i want to use it. i installed all the tools but how do i get it work (kernel couldnt install it)
[12:46] <Poromies> coffee.. ooh
[12:46] <asdx> I need to configure a NAT server
[12:46] <Razor-X> asdx: doubt it
[12:46] <b_e_n_z> adsx, firestarter
[12:46] <Poromies> now theres a good idea, ill go get some for me to :)
[12:46] <asdx> b_e_n_z, ok :)
[12:46] <LexiCon[gsr-dj] > could someone please help me with the steps of recompiling a kernel?
[12:46] <sara_poo__> yuacht, i have backports repositorys, both as universe, multivers, main, restricted
[12:46] <Razor-X> b_e_n_z: firestarter is a firewall
[12:47] <Razor-X> iptables does much mor ethan just firewall
[12:47] <asdx> hmm
[12:47] <b_e_n_z> Razor-X, you don't have a clue do you?
[12:47] <yuacht> sara_poo__, use synaptic
[12:47] <asdx> I just need NAT
[12:47] <sara_poo__> yuacht, yup, doesn't come up there either
[12:47] <Poromies> sara_poo__: are you on 64bit?
[12:47] <sara_poo__> Poromies, yes
[12:47] <siorfin> i am getting cannot initialize mtab file on bootup how do i fix this
[12:47] <yuacht> sara_poo__, there you have it
[12:47] <sara_poo__> is java not available for 64 bit via apt ?
[12:47] <yuacht> java isnb't availible for 64bit
[12:47] <Poromies> sara_poo__: then you cant get it :)
[12:47] <sara_poo__> ahh... boo
[12:47] <sara_poo__> how do they install db2 on 64 bit servers?
[12:47] <mjr> yuacht, actually, it is
[12:47] <yuacht> i suggest you switch to i386 until ubuntu decides to include mutliarch
[12:48] <Poromies> yes it is, you have to use special debian rep
[12:48] <Poromies> i found that from forums
[12:48] <yuacht> ok sorry
[12:48] <yuacht> :=)
[12:48] <Poromies> you can get 1.4.2 by that way...
[12:48] <Razor-X> b_e_n_z: hmmmm?
[12:48] <mjr> (but I'm mostly drooling for free implementations anyway)
[12:48] <sara_poo__> ideally, i'd like 1.4.2 sun jre for my amd64, I'm not sure if thats possible.  I've been reading up on it and I haven't found out where to get it...
[12:49] <Razor-X> NAT \neq firewall
[12:49] <Poromies> 1 moment i try to google the forums :D
[12:49] <Razor-X> ;)
[12:49] <Hanna_> i often find myself drooling for coffee. like now.
[12:49] <sara_poo__> i could get it through java.sun.com, but they don't have deb's
[12:49] <holycow> there are debs you can use
[12:49] <concept10> Hanna_, make me a cup, please
[12:49] <siorfin> if they have rpm get that and convert it to deb
[12:49] <holycow> the info is on the ubuntu wiki
[12:49] <Hanna_> will do, mister.
[12:49] <sara_poo__> siorfin, hm.  ok.  Hope that sets my java paths, etc.
[12:50] <holycow> sara_poo__, i would search wiki first
[12:50] <holycow> the debs are created for ubuntu
[12:50] <ruggy> how good is ubuntu?
[12:50] <holycow> depends on your definition of good
[12:50] <siorfin> how do i initialize the mtab file, i am getting cannot initialize mtab files on bootup
[12:50] <Razor-X> ruggy: don't come to an Ubuntu channel to ask that ;)
[12:50] <sara_poo__> ruggy, on a scale of 1 to 10, one being highest 10 being highest, right dead center in the middle
[12:51] <Razor-X> we're all (most probably) biased
[12:51] <holycow> i love it, but when i let normal users use it i always find i have unexpected questions or situations
[12:51] <Razor-X> urrrgggghhhh, because screen crashed on my shell
[12:52] <toadflax> whois toadflax
[12:52] <Razor-X> my muscle memoy is having hell
[12:52] <Razor-X> >_<
[12:52] <ruggy> what package manager does ubuntu use?
[12:52] <Razor-X> I had my screen keycombos memorized >_<
[12:52] <yuacht> ruggy, synaptic, or apt-get
[12:52] <Poromies> sara_poo__: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/jdk1.4-status.html#debs
[12:52] <Razor-X> it uses a deb based package system
[12:52] <holycow> lol you guys are giving terrible info today
[12:52] <sara_poo__> Poromies, hmm... i hope that works with DB2
[12:52] <synd> is there a way to install everything but gnome?
[12:52] <holycow> stay away from blackdown java
[12:52] <holycow> thats horrible
[12:53] <Poromies> and that goes for everyone else running 64bit who want to get even some-sor-of-an-working-java :)
[12:53] <holycow> there are 1.5 jre debs out there
[12:53] <holycow> sheesh!
[12:53] <Razor-X> holycow: ;)
[12:53] <holycow> lemme find em, you guys should actually fix your java installs
[12:53] <Poromies> oh
[12:53] <Poromies> sry, didnt know that, havent checked for new versions -.-'
[12:54] <sara_poo__> sun jre, didn't see anything for 64 bit linux:  https://sdlcweb3d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=7B761B223F5267C4E292D8349FF64F61
[12:54] <siorfin> how do i initialize the mtab file at bootup
[12:54] <synd> ?
[12:54] <Razor-X> I don't give a crap about how old my Java install is
[12:54] <Razor-X> as long as it works
[12:55] <Razor-X> I use java very rarely
[12:55] <Razor-X> just for a hypercube site, actually
[12:55] <sara_poo__> Razor-X, thats how i am with my telnetd install
[12:56] <nikkia> razor, you will when you want to run something written by someone that wanted to use a linked list, a map, or so on
[12:56] <Razor-X> nikkia: I rarely have time to program anymore
[12:56] <Razor-X> I pursue Calculus in my free time
[12:56] <sara_poo__> yeah.  i want to write a linked list.
[12:56] <kjartan_> I'm having a problem with alsa it makes sound repeate for ever
[12:57] <nikkia> sara, no, i said wanted to *use*
[12:57] <Razor-X> ahhh, use, sorry
[12:57] <sara_poo__> nikkia, oh.  I want to use one too.
[12:57] <Poromies> hmm, i seem only to find that those blackdowns are the newest for 64bit
[12:57] <kjartan_> I'm using hoary
[12:57] <Razor-X> well, ok ok, when that time comes.... ;)
[12:57] <sara_poo__> I wonder if blackdown would work with DB2
[12:57] <kjartan_> And it worked and then it broke
[12:57] <nikkia> the 1.5 generics make using lists, maps and so on a *lot* easier for a programmer, so there is a lot of java software really starting to depend on them
[12:57] <sara_poo__> there is an IBM JRE 64 bit on the cd i think
[12:58] <nikkia> and of course, such java packages won't run on 1.4.x
[12:58] <sara_poo__> nikkia, i heard they had problems with backward compatability though ?
[12:58] <asdx> Is there a rc.local script so I can put my iptables command there??
[12:59] <Hanna_> well, have a nice morning/afternoon/evening or a good night dudes (and dudettes?), i'm off to bed.
[12:59] <Druke> I am trying to install my ati drivers via a thread in the ubuntu forums, it says to use the apt command "$ sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx"  however i'm not sure how to state my kernel version in th brackets, i'm using the latest download from the ubuntu site
[12:59] <Hanna_> with my coffee.
[12:59] <rasputnik>  sara_poo__: do sun not do a 64bit java then?
[12:59] <synd> Hanna_: take it easy
[12:59] <_0kills> take care Hanna_
[12:59] <MikeStyle> hey guys/girls, whenever i try to write a .iso file to a blank dvd disc it starts to write it, but then it doesnt recognize the disc as empty. what should i do?
[12:59] <Druke> good night
[12:59] <sara_poo__> Druke, try uname -a to see stuff
[12:59] <metzen> Druke: $ uname -r
[12:59] <sara_poo__> rasputnik, aparently not... that sounds crazy
[01:00] <prc> Whenever I run SND, I have to kill all of the system sounds.  Is there a way to have it both ways?
[01:00] <Druke> thank you sara_poo__ , and metzen
[01:00] <nikkia> sara, not that crazy...
[01:00] <asdx> Is there a rc.local script so I can put my iptables command there??
[01:00] <nikkia> x86 never really competed with sun's core business, AMD64 sure does
[01:00] <sara_poo__> well, we have a quad proc 2 gig suse db2 server at work
[01:00] <rasputnik> sara_poo__: if even sun can't be bothered, i'm not sure why anyone else would want to :)
[01:00] <sara_poo__> it runs 32 bit java?  db2 uses java for everything....
[01:00] <MikeStyle> ...anyone see my question?
[01:00] <Druke> hurrah it was -r!
[01:01] <Poromies> uch, maybe this whole 64bit world will be moving lot faster soon, now that intel is bringing out new 64bit celerons and all -.-'
[01:01] <asdx> Where can I put my iptables command so when I reboot ubuntu the iptables command runs???
[01:02] <synd> whats special about the celeron D?
[01:02] <MikeStyle> ........
[01:02] <sara_poo__> lol, I bet deb2rpm is not on amd64 either?
[01:02] <synd> MikeStyle: be patient, if anyone knows the answer or how to help, they will speak up
[01:02] <rasputnik> Poromies: Vanderpoll is the Next Big Thing.
[01:03] <MikeStyle> synd, okay thanks
[01:03] <rasputnik> MikeStyle: did you google the error?
[01:03] <yuacht> MikeStyle, give us the output if it's a single line
[01:03] <dair2> beginner question: can anyone help me with gDesklets and installing desklets (sidestripes)?
[01:04] <MikeStyle> yuacht: ill take some screenshots to show you.
[01:05] <racket2424> hey guys, im having trouble w/ Cisco Systems VPN Client Version 4.0.5
[01:05] <holycow> bah phone
[01:05] <holycow> where is the damend ubuntu jre 1.5 package
[01:05] <siorfin> im having problems initializing mtab file on bootup how do i fix that?
[01:05] <racket2424> the error its giving me is: Could not attach to driver. Is kernel module loaded?
[01:05] <racket2424> The application was unable to communicate with the VPN sub-system.
[01:05] <sara_poo__> so, ubuntu doesn't support multi-lib at all then?
[01:06] <sara_poo__> is that why apt-cache search doesn't find stuff ever?
[01:06] <yuacht> racket2424, sudo lsmod <- look for the module
[01:06] <MikeStyle> yuacht:Reload rewritable or blank media
[01:06] <MikeStyle> Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media.
[01:06] <holycow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java15
[01:06] <holycow> there you go
[01:06] <holycow> use that
[01:06] <asdx> Where can I put my iptables command so when I reboot ubuntu the iptables command runs???
[01:06] <yuacht> racket2424, lsmod | grep vpn
[01:06] <yuacht> try that
[01:07] <yuacht> MikeStyle, hmm... wait a sec
[01:07] <MikeStyle> yuacht: okay
[01:07] <siorfin> mtab, does anyone know anything about mtab?
[01:08] <yuacht> MikeStyle, check what cd device it's adjusted to use
[01:08] <racket2424> yuacht, if vpn is not listed...
[01:08] <asdx> is there a local rc file on ubuntu??
[01:08] <MikeStyle> yuacht, how would i chack that?
[01:08] <rasputnik> asdx: nobody knows
[01:08] <asdx> damn it
[01:09] <Wazdmin> everytime i reboot my mouse is not recognized ..the only way i can get it to work is to do the wrong thing..which is unplug it while my computer is on and then plug it back in..what do you think the problem is ?
[01:09] <yuacht> racket2424, i have no clue what module it's looking for
[01:09] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what app are you using?
[01:09] <MikeStyle> yuacht, the built in one in ubuntu
[01:09] <MikeStyle> yuacht, i cant get any other one to work
[01:09] <siorfin> mtab help anyone??
[01:10] <SavvyPlayer> when I attempt to load a 686 kernel (2.6.10-5 or 2.6.12) nvidia errors prevent loading gdm
[01:10] <rasputnik> siorfin: what's up with mtab
[01:10] <yuacht> MikeStyle, weird.
[01:10] <SavvyPlayer> this is a fresh hoary install + hoary updates to linux-686
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> well reinstall nvidia since you changed the kernel
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> the nvidia driver you currently have is for the old kernel
[01:11] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what apps have you used?
[01:11] <SavvyPlayer> reinstalling nvidia-glx does nothing...
[01:11] <siorfin> rapsputnik, i am getting cannot initialize mtab file on bootup all of a sudden and i know it is doing something as a result of that, i cant for istance select / for searching via places > search for files
[01:11] <MikeStyle> yuacht, none, every time i try to install one from synaptics it closes itself
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> SavvyPlayer : becuase you need to isntall the nvidia driver not glx
[01:12] <yuacht> MikeStyle, try terminal
[01:12] <yuacht> sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[01:12] <Wazdmin> i got a little mouse problem..everytime i reboot i need to unplug and plug back in my mouse while my computer is on..what do you think the problem could be ?
[01:12] <MikeStyle> yuacht, trust me ive tried that, it says E: Broken Packages
[01:12] <SavvyPlayer> i thought glx "was" the driver
[01:12] <vinux> SavvyPlayer, when you solve this problem let me know hehe. There was one time where I installed 686 kernel and somehow it configured everthing for me including nvidia kernel and glx!!!! Don't even ask me how but it worked
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> maybe i'm wrong
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> yeh i'm wrong
[01:12] <yuacht> MikeStyle, sudo apt-get check
[01:13] <obex> no sound with totem it says it needs plugins  instaled any hints on what packages to install?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> i compile my own kernel and drivers so yah
[01:13] <MikeStyle> yuacht, root or normal
[01:13] <yuacht> normal
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> hmmk so anyone care to explain -autoq in mplayer for me in more detai?
[01:13] <SavvyPlayer> me too -- i document all changes I make to the install, and I recently upgraded, now my original docs result in this error
[01:13] <vinux> lsuactiafner, oh so I just need to install the nvidia kernel?
[01:13] <MikeStyle> yuacht, okay it checked package lists and dependancy tree
[01:13] <siorfin> rasputnik i am getting cannot initialize mtab file on bootup all of a sudden and i know it is doing something as a result of that, i cant for istance select / for searching via places > search for files any clues er no?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> i imagine you need to geta kernel that works for your system, and then you need to download the correspondin nvida driver
[01:14] <alper_tr> how would i change the splash ubuntu logo while loading gnome(that rectangular window, informing screen ready,keyboard )
[01:14] <Wazdmin> mouse not being recognized after reboot..could that be a hardware problem in my bios ?
[01:15] <MikeStyle> yuacht, then i tried sudo apt-get install gnomebaker and it almost finishes but then i get E: broken packages
[01:15] <rasputnik> siorfin: are you on hoary? what does ls -l /etc/mtab look like?
[01:15] <alper_tr> how would i change the splash ubuntu logo while loading gnome(that rectangular window, informing screen ready,keyboard )
[01:15] <yuacht> MikeStyle, check synaptic->broken packages
[01:15] <alper_tr> that logo, right after the login
[01:16] <vinux> lsuactiafner, so nvidia-kernel-common I think is what I need plus reinstall the glx huh?
[01:16] <siorfin> rasputnik: yes hoary, ls: /etc/mtab: Input/output error
[01:16] <siorfin> , in file browser it is listed as unknown file type
[01:16] <SavvyPlayer> alper_tr: why on earth would you want to change that?
[01:16] <computerguy867> sometimes, seemingly for no reason, at random times, i loose the ability to open multiple terminals, and evolution wont open.  What could be causing this?
[01:16] <MikeStyle> yuacht, even after synaptic > fix broken packages i still get E: Broken Packages
[01:16] <alper_tr> because i want to use something else
[01:17] <rasputnik> siorfin: that's odd, you'd expect 'permission denied' or something.
[01:17] <alper_tr> isnt it simply a png pic... it might have been easy
[01:17] <rob^> doh
[01:17] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what package were broken?
[01:17] <alper_tr> i checked login screen setup .... however i failed
[01:17] <MikeStyle> yuacht, it didnt tell me, it just said it fixed the broken packages
[01:17] <siorfin> rasputnik: it is 0 bytes so nothing is even in it
[01:18] <rasputnik> siorfin: you should still be able to 'ls -l' it
[01:18] <SavvyPlayer> but rebooting is so infrequent... dont you have bigger fish to fry?
[01:18] <vinux> SavvyPlayer, hmm i'm going to install the 686 kernel again and do #sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common #sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and hopefully that should work
[01:18] <siorfin> rasputnik: i know, what is supposed to be in it? maybe i can fix it manually
[01:18] <yuacht> MikeStyle, if you go Synaptic -> Custom -> Broken, what packages are there?
[01:18] <SavvyPlayer> i'll try that too
[01:18] <alper_tr> any idea SavvyPlayer?
[01:18] <JDigital> Urgent question. How do I share a folder on a Windows network to be writable?
[01:18] <rasputnik> siorfin: it's effectively /proc/mounts. if you're desperate you can symlink to that
[01:18] <SavvyPlayer> common is installed by default
[01:19] <JDigital> Such that people on the Windows network can put things into it.
[01:19] <SavvyPlayer> but i'll remove it and reinstall
[01:19] <rasputnik> siorfin: but hold on, I'm having a look at mine
[01:19] <MikeStyle> yuacht, im in synaptic and i dont see and "custom" selection to choose from
[01:19] <vinux> SavvyPlayer, hehe yea i'm going to try it now
[01:19] <JDigital> I tried System > Administration > Shared folders, but that didn't work
[01:19] <SavvyPlayer> rasputnik: samba
[01:19] <JDigital> I tried chmodding a bunch of stuff 777, that didn't work
[01:19] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok
[01:19] <yuacht> MikeStyle, bottom left corner, a buttom+
[01:19] <kev0r> anyone here that can write a Mozilla THunderbird extention?
[01:20] <MikeStyle> yuacht, nope there's none there
[01:20] <yuacht> MikeStyle, what the...? give me a screenshot
[01:20] <JDigital> Wow, 438 people.
[01:21] <JDigital> hey I missed a bug day
[01:21] <JDigital> I know that Windows can let me share a folder so that anyone can write to it, see
[01:21] <MikeStyle> yuacht: 16312 packages listed, 870 installed, 0 broken, 0 to install/upgrade, 0 to remove
[01:21] <rasputnik> siorfin: did ls -l return anything other than 'IOError'?
[01:21] <JDigital> but, I'm trying to get Ubuntu to do the same
[01:21] <SavvyPlayer> alper: this is difficult to debug as tools like lsof are not available
[01:22] <yuacht> MikeStyle, try reinstalling ubuntu, might do the trick :/
[01:22] <yuacht> JDigital, yes, and?
[01:22] <siorfin> rasputnik: thats it, just the error i cut/pasted here
[01:22] <MikeStyle> yuacht, then ill lose all data and the data i need is on here. plus i dont have the install disc
[01:23] <SavvyPlayer> I go try nvidia reinstall...
[01:23] <yuacht> MikeStyle, okay, well, i can't help you sorry, post at the forums
[01:23] <JDigital> yuacht: and it's giving me access denied when I try to copy from the Windows machine to my own
[01:23] <rasputnik> siorfin: looks to me like /etc/mtab is created when you go single user (grep -r mtab /etc|less)
[01:23] <JDigital> ...ah, I fixed it by making another share.
[01:23] <yuacht> JDigital, :)
[01:23] <JDigital> :)
[01:24] <rasputnik> soo - you could try 'sudo mv /etc/mtab /etc/mtab.fuxored' and reboot, see if it's recreated
[01:24] <siorfin> hmm ill try that lol nice name btw, gimme a few minutes
[01:24] <Wazdmin> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[01:24] <Wazdmin> ..thats the message i get when im try and install azureus
[01:25] <yuacht> Wazdmin, enable all the repos
[01:25] <Wazdmin> i dont know how to do that
[01:25] <Wazdmin> i just installed linux today
[01:25] <silmaris> ./j #lot
[01:25] <silmaris> err
[01:25] <silmaris> sorry
[01:25] <Wazdmin> i have all ready add extra repsitories ..is that u mean
[01:26] <yuacht> Wazdmin, yes, indeed
[01:26] <Wazdmin> wel then wtf
[01:26] <yuacht> Wazdmin, try sudo apt-get update
[01:26] <rasputnik> siorfin: the creation happens in /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh, search for mtab.
[01:26] <Wazdmin> kk
[01:26] <yuacht> then sudo apt-get install azureus
[01:27] <siorfin> rasputnik: cant delete it, giving that same i/o error
[01:27] <siorfin> rasputnik: cant rename it either
[01:27] <silmaris> read that www.ubuntuguide.org you can find a section on installing azureus (with java)
[01:27] <rasputnik> siorfin: is your root fs read-only by any chance? try 'sudo touch /foo'
[01:28] <Wazdmin> i get an error..it saying duplicate sources
[01:28] <rasputnik> siorfin: hang on, clue check - you need to be root (or sudo) to mess with /etc, right?
[01:28] <Wazdmin> i must have messed up adding repos
[01:28] <siorfin> rasputnik: i believe so yes
[01:29] <siorfin> i just did the sudo touch foo and it went thoruhg fine, not sure what it did since it gave no messages
[01:29] <yuacht> siorfin, creatad a new empty file called foo
[01:29] <rasputnik> siorfin: it just makes an empty file called foo (I'm checking you can write to /)
[01:29] <oneup> Hi
[01:30] <siorfin> rasputnik: foo is created on / so apparently as sudo i can
[01:30] <Wazdmin> i wonder if im suppose to have the first two links on the repos source list
[01:30] <alper_tr> how would i change the splash ubuntu logo while loading gnome(that rectangular window, informing screen ready,keyboard
[01:31] <rasputnik> siorfin: and /etc is mounted under / ? (not on it's own partition?)
[01:32] <oneup> just come for a look only just had ubuntu
[01:33] <siorfin> rasputnik: far as i can tell yes, it shuold be mounted however the install cd mounted it i made no custom changes
[01:33] <rasputnik> siorfin: if I was you I'd boot single user, blow away /etc/mtab and then reboot again
[01:33] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok how do i boot single user? not familiar with that term
[01:34] <rasputnik> siorfin: you type 'linux single' at the grub prompt
[01:34] <oneup> I want to try ubuntu on an old pc ,petium 2 with 128 meg of ram ,will it work ok on that please?
[01:34] <vinux> Woot I got my image-686 working!!!!! To get nvidia stuff to work you need to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686. The "686" on the end is what you need to look for!
[01:34] <siorfin> ok brb ill try that
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> hey guys.  When a program (like dpkg) tries to display a whiptail message box, it shows up all garbled with a^s on the sides.  I think my console graphics character set is messed up.
[01:35] <rasputnik> hmm, wonder if he'll be back :/
[01:35] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : what terminal?
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> it shows up fine in X, but in textmode it is all garbled
[01:35] <Wazdmin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages  (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-amd64_ Packages)
[01:35] <Wazdmin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Pa ckages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_b inary-amd64_Packages)
[01:35] <Wazdmin> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:36] <Wazdmin> can someone help me fix thatr
[01:36] <Wazdmin> thats what i get when i run apt-get update
[01:36] <rasputnik> Wazdmin: 'You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:36] <rasputnik> '?
[01:36] <bimberi> oneup: Gnome might be a bit slow on that.  If so you could try a server install and then install xfce or fluxbox instead of gnome
[01:36] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : seen it before with ncurses - ok on xterms, messy on vt100s
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> Wazdmin: that means exactly what it says.  Take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and delete the duplicates
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> rasputnik: so what should I do?
[01:37] <Wazdmin> i dont see them though..thats exactly what i just looked at
[01:37] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : if it was me, I'd swear a bit.
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> =p
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> that doesn't help
[01:37] <jasoncohen> i installed gtk2-engines-industrial but i don't have the option to use industrial icons or window borders
[01:37] <LinuxJones> tiglionabbit, did yoyu do a normal Hoaryinstallation or a custom install ?
[01:37] <oneup> thank ,how much more ram would it need to be acceptable please ?
[01:37] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : try other words :)
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> LinuxJones: normal, and whiptail looked fine while it was installing
[01:38] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : what's 'echo $TERM' say?
[01:38] <jasoncohen> what other packages do i need to get the full industrial theme?
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> "linux"
[01:39] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit : then that's probably it. under x it'll say 'xterm'. Don't know of a fix, but I doubt it's a font thing
[01:39] <jp> jasoncohen gnome extra themes
[01:39] <bimberi> oneup, Not sure sorry - it might be more a matter of processor speed.
[01:40] <rasputnik> siorfin: box didn't catch fire then?
[01:40] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok i went into boot menu, hit "c" for command line then at grub prompt i hit linux single and it said bad command ?
[01:40] <jp> jasoncohen industrial icons aren't included on hoary :)
[01:40] <rasputnik> siorfin: let me try, my memory is shit
[01:40] <oneup> bimberi  I have more powerful puter ,I just want to see if linux claim to work ok on low spec puter really works !
[01:41] <jp> jasoncohen, if you want the install ubuntu-artwork from warty (downgrade)
[01:41] <jasoncohen> jp, gnome-themes-extras are already included
[01:41] <siorfin> rasputnik: i did help didnt see that as a command option
[01:41] <jp> jasoncohen, if you want them you have to install ubuntu-artwork from warty (downgrade)
[01:41] <jasoncohen> ok
[01:41] <bimberi> oneup: Give it a try then :)
[01:41] <jasoncohen> why would they get rid of industrial icons? that's the default in debian and i found it quite nice
[01:41] <jp> jasoncohen ubuntu artwork downgrade is fully supported :)
[01:42] <jp> jasoncohen, it's an option :)
[01:42] <jasoncohen> ok, i'll download warty's ubuntu-artwork
[01:42] <oneup> bimberi will ubuntu recognise most hardware,I think puter in question has a voodoo graphics card ?
[01:42] <jp> jasoncohen, I think it's 0.14 version of that
[01:42] <jasoncohen> i see <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[01:43] <bimberi> oneup: hardware recognition gets better the older the hardware as there has been more time for someone to develop a free driver
[01:44] <jasoncohen> ok, i replaced ubuntu-artwork with warty's version
[01:45] <ttj> I could use a configuration setup (pxelinux.cfg/default and vmlinuz/initrd.gz) for PXEboot into an installation of ubuntu (netinstall, as I don't have any removable media on my laptop), where would I find that?
[01:45] <oneup> bimberi   I had heard graphics cards were the most difficult things in linux !
[01:46] <jp> jasoncohen ?
[01:46] <bimberi> oneup: probably although i think wireless is competing strongly though :)
[01:46] <jasoncohen> jp, well, i installed ubuntu-artwork. it changed my gdm theme and background but i still don't see industrial as a theme
[01:46] <zenlunatic> um my trash won't empty in gnome. any ideas?
[01:46] <jasoncohen> or industrial icons
[01:46] <Wazdmin> ok..i fixed my duplicate sources.but i still cant get auzreus
[01:47] <jasoncohen> jp, *installed ubuntu-artwork from warty that is
[01:47] <jasoncohen> ii  ubuntu-artwork <IP_ADDRESS>-1     Ubuntu themes and artwork
[01:47] <ttj> zenlunatic: cd Desktop/.Trash and rm <file>
[01:47] <fang77> Hello all
[01:47] <scott> anyone know of a gnome applet for controlling totem from the panel?
[01:47] <fang77> Hi Seveas
[01:47] <rasputnik> siorfin: ok, just done it. you need to:
[01:47] <alper_tr> i have question.. how would overwrite a file over terminal.. if i mean copying a file with the name of the same file
[01:47] <oneup> bimberi  this puter I am usuing is 1.8 athlon XP with 768 meg  ram and seems to have no prob with ubuntu ,even managed to get live 365 radio stations  working via alsa sound !
[01:47] <zenlunatic> ttj: um should "empty trash" in menu just work
[01:47] <siorfin> all ears
[01:48] <alper_tr> is it ok if i write... cp x /usr/shr/
[01:48] <fang77> Newbie question. How do I know if samba is loading at startup?
[01:48] <bimberi> oneup: Great!
[01:48] <ttj> zenlunatic: yes, but if there are files there you don't have permission to remove, they won't be removed
[01:48] <rasputnik> choose the grub entry, press 'e', select the 'kernel' line, press 'e', add ' single' to the end of that line, and then press 'b' to boot that entry
[01:48] <bimberi> oneup: Hmm, no mention of voodoo at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards - which doesn't mean much either way
[01:49] <rasputnik> I'm used to bsd though, where single user just mounts the root fs and stops. ubuntu does a bit more, but hopefully you'll still be able to get at /etc/mtab
[01:49] <martman> does anyone know if i can boot the install off a floppy and run it over a network? my burner crapped out on me so i cant do it the normal way
[01:49] <oneup> bimberi  lol ,thanks for looking,I know it a 32 meg card,3sfx comes to mind,I bought it on ebay for a very few pounds just to try !
[01:49] <martman> and it may be awhile
[01:50] <martman> so id like a workaround
[01:50] <Wazdmin> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[01:50] <Wazdmin> y yy y yy
[01:50] <siorfin> rasputnik: all ears :)
[01:50] <Wazdmin> i ran apt -get update
[01:50] <rasputnik> siorfin: I said "choose the grub entry, press 'e', select the 'kernel' line, press 'e', add ' single' to the end of that line,
[01:50] <rasputnik>             and then press 'b' to boot that entry
[01:50] <rasputnik> "
[01:50] <zenlunatic> ttj: um it looks like it was deleted but the icons didn't go away when i opened nautilus window. why is that?
[01:51] <zenlunatic> ttj: the icons on my desktop don't refresh either. i have to cntrl-r it.
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[01:52] <jasoncohen> jp, installing warty's ubuntu-artwork didn't work
[01:52] <jasoncohen> jp, i still don't see industrial as a theme choice
[01:52] <Wazdmin> ok wtf
[01:52] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but anyone here have ubuntu on G3's?
[01:52] <Wazdmin> y cant i download azureus
[01:52] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: i have it on g3
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> zenlunatic...mind telling me mhz, ram, and hd size?
[01:53] <ttj> zenlunatic: No idea, sorry :/
[01:53] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: 600mhz, 384ram, 20gigs
[01:53] <martman> does anyone know if i can boot the install off a floppy and run it over a network? my burner crapped out on me so i cant do it the normal way and it could take awhile
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> umm I think thats a G4?
[01:54] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: um no
[01:54] <black_Nightmare> G3 went to 450mhz max in the B&W
[01:54] <zenlunatic> black_Nightmare: up they had like 900mhz g3 ibooks
[01:54] <oneup> time to go good night to you all
[01:55] <asimismo> Anyone do evms on RAID1 I can ask a few questions?
[01:55] <bimberi> oneup: 'night
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> zen..oh..hmm you know thats too funny..desktop stops at 450mhz and changes to G4 but laptops still go on to higher G3 speeds....oh well
[01:55] <BadTrash> black_Nightmare are you stalking me :D
[01:55] <black_Nightmare> sorry...I stand corrected by you
[01:55] <goldfish> emm, n00b questioin, im setting up my wireless network, gonna stick a wep key on it, any tools to generate wep keys?
[01:56] <goldfish> *question
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> :p
[01:56] <BadTrash> hehe
[01:56] <black_Nightmare> zen.....well..what did you think of ubuntu on that ibook of yours?
[01:57] <rasputnik> black_Nightmare : G3 runs cool. I'm sat with a SpeeSTep Centrino on my lap and it's almost scorching me. G4 laptops would hurt :)
[01:57] <wazdmin> ya..i still cant install azureus
[01:57] <black_Nightmare> well I'm kinda curious about a 266mhz G3.....hm guess I'll perhaps just start with mac os for now and decide about it from a livecd maybe
[01:58] <rasputnik> wazadmin: are you spelling it right?
[01:58] <bimberi> wazdmin: I'm fairly sure it was in the multiverse repository but it isn't there now.  I checked on packages.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <siorfin> rasputnik: im in single user now but still cant delete it or rename it or whatever
[01:58] <asimismo> *sigh* no one ever pipes up on the evms topic, either here or even on #evms. Isn't anyone using it? Do people use LVM directly?
[01:58] <bimberi> wazdmin: perhaps it's in backports
[01:58] <wazdmin> so u r saying its not my fault..
[01:59] <rasputnik> siorfin: that's bizarre.
[01:59] <wazdmin> im not sure how to install it
[01:59] <siorfin> rasputnik: is there some disk utility i can run like scandisk for winblows to check for disk errors?
[01:59] <rasputnik> siorfin: only other thing I can think of is booting off the live cd, mounting the hdd root partition and removing it that way
[02:00] <bimberi> wazdmin: yes - i don't think it's your fault
[02:00] <bimberi> :)
[02:00] <rasputnik> siorfin : just do a quick 'lsattr /etc/mtab' - it should be all '-----' before the filename
[02:01] <siorfin> rasputnik: no such file
[02:01] <wazdmin> good
[02:01] <rasputnik> siorfin: that's hosed :/ - try the live cd, that might finally get it sorted
[02:02] <bimberi> brb
[02:03] <siorfin> rasputnik: ok i just created another mtab file and it renamed mtab to mtab.bak lol
[02:03] <wazdmin> i have been waiting at updating chrome registry for like fifteen mins when installing thunderbird
[02:03] <siorfin> rasputnik: now i did the lsattr mtab and got the ---
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> quick question but does ubuntu support pcmcia card hotswapping?
[02:05] <siorfin> rasputnik: gonna try rebooting i setup permissions for mtab file now, i tried doing properties on the mtab.bak and it disappeared, go figure will see if everything is fixed now
[02:06] <black_Nightmare> hm anyone? :p
[02:08] <holycow> pcmcia hotswapping?
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> holy..yeah
[02:08] <holycow> weird question, i've tried it once, it worked
[02:08] <holycow> i am not sure that counts
[02:08] <bimberi> wazdmin: Have a look at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ for how to set up backports.  An azureus install might work using their repositories.
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> hmm ok ty
[02:08] <wazdmin> aight
[02:08] <holycow> but hotplug basically is supposed to do all that
[02:09] <wazdmin> after i am done with my multimedia codecs
[02:09] <wazdmin> = )
[02:09] <wazdmin> thanks
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> another question.....swapping expansion bay drives while still powered on? (mac os has some support for this as far as I can determine)
[02:09] <bimberi> wazdmin: When using backports it's important to only use them for an install of a package.  You shoudl disable them when doing a general upgrade.
[02:09] <holycow> ide drives instead of sata?
[02:09] <bimberi> *should
[02:09] <holycow> your gambling with your hard drives
[02:10] <black_Nightmare> no I didn't mean hds...one second let me find that picture again to show..
[02:10] <black_Nightmare> holy...here the labels that says 'bale gauche...' and 'bale droite...' are expansion bays http://www.powerbook-fr.com/pbg3/caracteristiques/wallstreet/images/PortsWallstreet.jpg
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> obviously they're useable for 2nd battery, disk/zip drive, or MO's
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> I'm sure these could be removed while os is still running
[02:11] <fundle> any idea why i can't go above 640x480 even after editing my xorg.conf ?
[02:11] <fundle> this is a fresh install on a dell 1100 lattop
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> fundle....graphic card support?
[02:12] <holycow> black_Nightmare, its a two part question
[02:12] <holycow> a: is the hardware designed for that
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> 640x480 is kinda supposed to be the 'unsupported' res
[02:12] <fundle> black: not sure
[02:12] <wazdmin> ya..i checked my sources list..i already have those installed
[02:12] <holycow> and b: can the os detect hardware changes
[02:12] <siorfin> rasputnik: everything works now thanks, creating a new file fixed it
[02:12] <holycow> the answer to b: is yes
[02:12] <fundle> black: let me lspci
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> holy...as far as I've found.. mac os supports some bay swapping (same to pcmcia if not in use too)
[02:12] <holycow> the answer to a: is, well take a chance bucky, let us know if your laptop survives
[02:13] <wazdmin> bimberi : is it ppossible i might need to enable those backports
[02:13] <holycow> black_Nightmare, its a two part question
[02:13] <holycow> don't ignore a:
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> hehe ok
[02:13] <holycow> you could be sorry
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> well holy..if people say mac os supports it then...why couldn't another os? :-)
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> but again..I'll see ;)
[02:13] <fundle> black: 82845g/gl brookdale-g is what it says
[02:13] <bimberi> wazdmin: yes - if you want to install azureus
[02:13] <wazdmin> how do i enable them
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> fundle..errumm..that sounds like intel graphics to me (they had 'GL' names too)
[02:13] <holycow> black_Nightmare, your thjinking of running ubuntu on a powerbook?
[02:14] <fundle> black: it is intel
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> holy...maybe...or just mac os alone..not sure...would have to make a ubuntu/ppc livecd to try the pb with
[02:14] <holycow> i have no clue, i don't run those. hotplug should detec all hardware changes and so far its rarely borked
[02:14] <holycow> black_Nightmare, what is it with you and the os?
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> fundle...humm well it should be able to use any intel GL drivers
[02:14] <holycow> here is an experiment to prove that ELECTRICITY matters
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> not sure what problem could be
[02:14] <lao_v> hi guys..has anyone come accross this error when setting up postfix+mysql? Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[02:15] <holycow> stick your hand in  your desktop pc and yank the power off of the hd
[02:15] <fundle> black: so what do you suggest i do ?
[02:15] <holycow> then plug it back in
[02:15] <bimberi> wazdmin: add the two lines after "Example Hoary configuration:" on that page to your /etc/apt/sources.list .  Then run sudo apt-get update
[02:15] <wazdmin> thats what im sayin
[02:15] <holycow> whatch your ide hd light up like a n xmas tree
[02:15] <wazdmin> i already did that
[02:15] <holycow> and you lying on the floor wondering where the truck came from
[02:15] <black_Nightmare> fundle...not sure sorry
[02:15] <wazdmin> srry if i wasnt clear
[02:15] <black_Nightmare> holy...I didn't said 'hd' btw :-)
[02:15] <lamont> lao_v: it's probably because it's chrooted...
[02:16] <holycow> i don't understand how you thinkthat hardware can just be pulled out magically?
[02:16] <lamont> use proxy:mysql:<name> instead of mysql:<name> for the map
[02:16] <holycow> unless it is designed for that?
[02:16] <black_Nightmare> but again..I'll probably try the pb with a livecd then...try swap one bay and see if that works for ubuntu too [not just mac os that is]
[02:16] <bimberi> wazdmin: np - i think it's more a matter of me coming in late on your problem.  Obviously azureus isn't in backports either (i was only guessing)
[02:16] <holycow> *sigh* okay whatever i'm not answering any more of your questions
[02:16] <wazdmin> oic..i wonder if this can be fixed
[02:16] <bimberi> bimberi: the next option is to find and download a DEB file for azureus
[02:16] <PilotKat> hello to everybody
[02:17] <PilotKat> is it here where I could have my "little" problems with ubuntu solved?
[02:17] <lao_v> lamont: i've already looked at that..and its not chrooted
[02:17] <holycow> why are you guys downloading azureus as a deb?
[02:17] <reka> PilotKat: we try and fix the big ones too. :)
[02:17] <holycow> just install the jre1.5 package
[02:17] <bodly> or just download the tar.gz file and unpack it and run it from there.  that's what I do
[02:17] <lao_v> smtp line has: smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
[02:17] <jp> http://www.bancomicsans.com/home.html <- HAHAHAHA
[02:17] <holycow> download azereus and do jre -jar azareus.jar
[02:17] <holycow> how hard can it be?
[02:18] <holycow> you can create a start icon and paste that into it as well
[02:18] <wazdmin> ok..ill do that..thanks for ur help
[02:18] <bodly> there's also a startup script
[02:18] <bimberi> wazdmin: np - try here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/azureus
[02:18] <holycow> azureus actually made it to debian?
[02:18] <holycow> wow!
[02:19] <holycow> heh :)
[02:19] <holycow> bimberi, i haveto say, good find
[02:19] <PilotKat> so ... here is my question ... im trying to install kubuntu 5.04 and my screen goes blank after the big list of stuff that is detected ... im running a TravelMate 4000 ... any help? 'pretty plzzzzz with sugar on top'
[02:19] <moparfan90> hello
[02:19] <bimberi> holycow: thanks - i did have some googly assistance though :)
[02:19] <moparfan90> i am trying to install WineCVS.sh file and i am getting an error can some one help me with this??
[02:20] <Sonderblade> is the ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso broken? I've compared the md5sum of the file with the one in the MD5SUMS file and they match
[02:20] <Sonderblade> and then i've burnt it on 3 cds and they all have the same integrity problem on the same package
[02:20] <PilotKat> i haven't checked the md5sum since the CD starts when rebooting the machine
[02:21] <Burgundavia> Sonderblade, that sounds more likely a cdrom issue
[02:21] <JayParadise> why won't the network-admin tool keep my network settings? i only have one profile, i enter it all in right, and when an interupt in ocnnection or my lease expires, the stupid network-admin tool fails to resend the same settings
[02:21] <moparfan90> i am trying to install WineCVS.sh file and i am getting an error can some one help me with this??
[02:21] <Sonderblade> Burgundavia: not unlikely, but it is always the same error in the ifrename package
[02:22] <bimberi> holycow: Oo I missed that question regarding DEB.  If I can I try to use debian packages for everything because it means that will continue to be managed/upgraded by apt.
[02:22] <bimberi> s/that will/that it will/
[02:22] <Burgundavia> Sonderblade, you tried the cd with a different machine?
[02:23] <Sonderblade> Burgundavia: no but i burnt it 3 times... with different speed on the cd burner :)
[02:23] <PilotKat> join
[02:23] <reka> PilotKat: so do you get to the blue screen?
[02:23] <Burgundavia> Sonderblade, the cdrom has a built in tester
[02:23] <wazdmin> o ya..i need java before i can install azureus correct ?
[02:24] <bodly> wazdmin: only if you want it to do anything
[02:24] <bimberi> wazdmin: yes - surely backports brings THAT in
[02:24] <PilotKat> reka: I can use the F keys to read the instructions ... screen goes blanck after I press 'return' or I type 'linux' and return ... or any other option
[02:24] <wazdmin> lmao
[02:24] <PilotKat> and nothing happens after that
[02:24] <wazdmin> alright
[02:24] <xiximkopp> hello, is it possible to change the mixer device i can control with my multimedia keyboard in gnome (from master -> pcm)?
[02:24] <Sonderblade> Then if it is the CD-drive, isn't there a way to install ubuntu from the net?
[02:25] <moparfan90> can some one help me with an error in the install of wineX via CVS
[02:25] <reka> PilotKat: my guess is that it's possibly something to do with your monitor.
[02:25] <bodly> PilotKat: sounds like a framebuffer issue, check the options for running it with now framebuffer
[02:25] <xiximkopp> moparfan90: what is your error?
[02:26] <bodly> err  s/with now/without/
[02:26] <PilotKat> reka, bodly: i was wondering about that ... i saw an option about frambuffer ... i'll try that right now ... thanx for the advice :)
[02:26] <moparfan90> error....  WineCVS.sh line 728
[02:26] <wazdmin> i didnt seea  how to on the unofficial guide...will it work if i do a sudo a pt-get inst all java
[02:26] <moparfan90> and the script only goes up to line 124
[02:26] <moparfan90> ????/
[02:27] <zenlunatic> why doesnt' gnome update icons on the fly?
[02:27] <reka> wazdmin: java install:
[02:27] <bodly> moparfan90: it is probably sourcing another script
[02:27] <reka> download the .bin file
[02:27] <reka> from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package,
[02:27] <reka> chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] ,
[02:27] <reka> dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[02:28] <moparfan90> what do i do. does anyone else have this installed ok on there computer
[02:28] <wazdmin> kk
[02:28] <wazdmin> i feel like a dumbass..ive never had this many questions in my life ever
[02:28] <bodly> moparfan90: nope, sorry.  haven't tried it
[02:28] <bimberi> wazdmin: Does "apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" work?
[02:28] <wazdmin> havent tried
[02:28] <xiximkopp> moparfan90: i tried it some time ago. what script did you use?
[02:28] <moparfan90> WineCVS.sh from linux-gamers.net
[02:29] <reka> bimberi, wazdmin: i got those instructions from an op's post, and i've seen it recommended a few times, so i'd assume that'd be the best way to do it.
[02:29] <wazdmin> no it dont find the package
[02:29] <bimberi> reka: ok thanks reka
[02:30] <wazdmin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java15
[02:30] <wazdmin> im gonna do this
[02:30] <asimismo> If not evms, then how about lvm and raid1--anyone with expertise?
[02:31] <bimberi> wazdmin: yep - if it's no the wiki it should be OK also
[02:32] <xiximkopp> moparfan90: i'm tring it myself, maybe i can help
[02:33] <moparfan90> ok
[02:33] <moparfan90> do you have AIM ??
[02:34] <hawke> AIM sucks.
[02:34] <moparfan90> xiximkopp: do you have AIM??
[02:34] <moparfan90> o well
[02:34] <bimberi> wazdmin: Hmm.  I tried connecting to that java repository in FireFox and it asked for a un/pw.  It's probably been locked down.
[02:35] <bimberi> wazdmin: Further down that wiki page are similar instructions to what reka described.  Hopefully they will work for you.
[02:36] <wazdmin> naw
[02:36] <wazdmin> i just tried them all
[02:36] <wazdmin> it must be like a down network or somin
[02:37] <evader> Hi. Is there any channels relating to Beagle? I've got it working, but my RAM usage is quite high & beagle-status doesn't give me output.
[02:37] <wazdmin> has anyone esle tried to ee if they could do so
[02:37] <bimberi> wazdmin: even downloading from sun?
[02:37] <wazdmin> havent tried that
[02:37] <wazdmin> im goin to now
[02:37] <Burgundavia> evader, do you use blam?
[02:37] <Burgundavia> evader, and where are you getting your beagle/mono from?
[02:38] <wazdmin> i think i need dektop java
[02:39] <evader> Burgundavia, I don't have blam installed- and don't know what it is. I installed beagle/mono using apt-get, my Sources list is identical to the one at www.ubuntyguide.org - in the 'adding extra repositries' section
[02:39] <evader> It's just standard - with the mirrormax backports repos.
[02:39] <Burgundavia> evader, that copy of beagle maybe crack and you probably have on old versin
[02:39] <ray_> what is beagle?
[02:39] <evader> I'll tell you the version
[02:39] <evader> ray_, it's a search tool
[02:39] <mikeworking> I am new. May I post my question here? It's regarding a laptop with no floppy or CDROM, but has net conn. and can boot from 64MB USB Memory Stick.
[02:40] <cafuego> beagly is like spotlight on amcosx, i think
[02:40] <ray_> evader, oh thanks
[02:40] <cafuego> well, maybe google desktop search
[02:40] <cafuego> not as advanced as spotlight
[02:40] <reka> mikeworking: ask away
[02:40] <Burgundavia> cafuego, nah, spotlight is a better analogy
[02:40] <ray_> what doyou guys use to play music?
[02:40] <evader> Burgundavia, beagle version: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1~5.04ubp1
[02:40] <cafuego> Burgundavia: spotlight plugs into the low-level though, does beagle do that too?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> cafuego, yep
[02:41] <evader> ray_, I used RythmBox, until I found it doesn't read ID3v2 tags.
[02:41] <reka> ray_: bmp
[02:41] <cafuego> ok then :-)
[02:41] <Burgundavia> evader, beagle does have some memory usage issues
[02:41] <bimberi> wazdmin: not sure what you mean.  The Sun Page load OK for me - http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[02:41] <mikeworking> I want to install Ubuntu on the only laptop my boss would give me -- it has only a net conn. and 64MB usb mem stick. The hard drive has -- uck -- Win XP. I want to format the hard drive and replace it with Ubuntu.
[02:41] <ray_> reka, bmp?
[02:41] <evader> beep-media-player ray_
[02:41] <evader> it's a fork of xmms
[02:41] <evader> it's better :D
[02:41] <reka> ray_: beep-media-player, an xmms clone
[02:41] <bodly> mikeworking: that should be possible
[02:42] <ray_> reka, i use xmms why is bmp better?
[02:42] <evader> Burgundavia, so that version I told you - is current?
[02:42] <mikeworking> It's an IBM, so net boot might even be possible, bodly.
[02:42] <Burgundavia> evader, I don't trust backports
[02:42] <reka> evader: i don't really edit tags anyway, but does bpm read id3v2 tags?
[02:42] <reka> ray_: it's purdier. :)
[02:42] <evader> reka, bmp/xmss does
[02:42] <Burgundavia> evader, if you have mono backported also, which you must have, that is total crack
[02:42] <cafuego> Hmm, au.archive.ubuntu.com is doing poo.
[02:42] <reka> ray_: xmms' menus etc. are butt-ugly
[02:43] <ray_> reka, is that something you can apt?
[02:43] <reka> ray_: yes, it's in the repo
[02:43] <evader> Burgundavia, so what do I do? Do all the cvs stuff on the Ubuntuwiki page?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> evader, nope, wait until breezy
[02:43] <bodly> mikeworking: i'm not sure if there's a mini ubuntu installer, but you could install debian and use that to "upgrade" to ubuntu
[02:43] <ray_> reka, just bmp
[02:43] <evader> Burgundavia, :(
[02:43] <Burgundavia> evader, breezy is become more and more stable
[02:43] <Burgundavia> evader, mine eats ram due to a blam backend issue
[02:44] <bodly> mikeworking: last I checked, the debian net-install cd is 40 mb or so
[02:44] <reka> ray_: the package is beep-media-player
[02:44] <wazdmin> dude..fuck it
[02:44] <evader> mikeworking, get the debian-netinst ISO
[02:44] <wazdmin> i dont want to do all thatshit
[02:44] <ray_> reka, thanks alot man im gonna try it
[02:44] <bimberi> wazdmin: but think how much you'll learn
[02:45] <wazdmin> true
[02:45] <mikeworking> bodly: yikes. What if I create a mini USB linux, get some IP, format /dev/hda1, mount nfs to a remote Ubuntu CD, download bytes, then reboot and begin the install?
[02:45] <wazdmin> but that will take me like an hour just to do all that
[02:45] <bimberi> wazdmin: You'll be recompiling kernels next :)
[02:45] <wazdmin> i am going to end up doing it
[02:45] <dockane> when a file already exists, wget starts renaming like file.1 file.2 and so on .. is there a way to make wget keep the file extension .. so it would be file.1.ext and not file.ext.1 ?
[02:45] <wazdmin> i ahve too
[02:45] <bodly> mikeworking: that should work
[02:46] <mikeworking> bodly: I have Ubuntu CDROM 5.04 with me, so no need to download over my DSL connection.
[02:46] <netsniper> how do I stream a movie from a rar file to totem?
[02:46] <ray_> reka, any different skins/
[02:46] <netsniper> it is still downloading..
[02:46] <mikeworking> bodly: I also have several Linux and Win systems on a DHCP net here that can help me, each with CDROMs.
[02:47] <dockane> netsniper, imho that's not possible untill you got the whole file
[02:47] <netsniper> dockane, no, its definitely possible
[02:47] <dockane> netsniper, we are talking about rar files ?
[02:47] <netsniper> dockane, there is a way to "stream" the embedded file on the fly
[02:47] <netsniper> yes rar files
[02:47] <reka> ray_:  there's links here: http://beepmp.sourceforge.net/
[02:47] <bodly> mikeworking: I've never done it, but I know you can use pxe boot to install debian
[02:47] <reka> ray_: personllay, skinz.org is the best.
[02:48] <ray_> reka, thanks
[02:48] <mikeworking> bodly: I was thinking in the interest of time, plus the fact I don't have Debian on me and would have to download over DSL, that it might be better to come up with another solution.
[02:50] <Ethan> .swiftirc.net
[02:51] <bodly> mikeworking: take a look at this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29358.html
[02:51] <dockane> netsniper, what makes you that sure that this could work ? how do recover the redundancy i.e., if the files got split ?
[02:52] <wazdmin> ya..i got to be doing something wrong
[02:52] <wazdmin> i shouldnt have this problem with apt -get
[02:53] <netsniper> dockane, it should continue streaming from next fiel -- if it is broken it will obviously skip during some intervals
[02:54] <Agiofws> could someone tell me the defautl root password for ubutu distro from the linux format dvd ?
[02:54] <wazdmin> jsut to make sure..i edit the source.list file then i run apt- get  update and everything should be workin fine?
[02:54] <cafuego> !root password
[02:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu has no root password. If sudo or gksu are asking for a password, they mean _your_ password.
[02:54] <reka> !root
[02:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:54] <Agiofws> huh?
[02:54] <bimberi> wazdmin: apt-get update (no space)
[02:55] <Agiofws> gnome is aking for root password
[02:55] <Agiofws> what is it ?
[02:55] <phaedrus44> uh..ubuntu takes a long time to install on a 400mhz  64mb ram machine
[02:55] <reka> Agiofws: are you sure?  what does the message say exactly?
[02:55] <jp> phaedrus44 uff :$
[02:55] <cafuego> Agiofws: There isn't one.
[02:55] <Agiofws> when you boot to gnome
[02:55] <dockane> netsniper, i am really not an expert, but from point of view its hardly possible to get something like this working. do you have seen this get done  somewhere ?
[02:55] <cafuego> Agiofws: Are you trying to log in as root or something?
[02:55] <Agiofws> no
[02:55] <jp> phaedrus44 try debian :) or some old distro like redhat 8.1
[02:55] <jp> :)
[02:55] <Agiofws> when you are in gnome  as user
[02:55] <wazdmin> permsion denied
[02:56] <wazdmin> i need to be root correct
[02:56] <bimberi> wazdmin: Oh sorry - sudo apt-get update
[02:56] <Agiofws>  and try to do a proveleded task  gnome aks you for roots password
[02:56] <netsniper> dockane, there is a doc on how to stream a movie to mencoder for encoding
[02:56] <bimberi> wazdmin: then use your own password
[02:56] <netsniper> fomr  rar
[02:56] <remyforbes777>   how do you display a webpage using just a command line, is this possible
[02:56] <reka> Agiofws: no it doesn't.  read the message.
[02:56] <phaedrus44> ubuntu uses gnome right?
[02:56] <cafuego> Agiofws: No, it asks you for _your_ password.
[02:56] <chaps0063> I have a Fujitsu Lifebook T4010 series TabletPC, I cannot get the middle mouse buttons to work to scrooll up/down, has anyone experienced a similar issue?
[02:56] <netsniper> Encoding from a pipe: rar p test-SVCD.rar | mencoder -ovc divx4 -divx4opts ...
[02:56] <Agiofws>  and try to do a proveledged task  gnome aks you for roots password
[02:56] <AndyR> phaedrus44, yes
[02:57] <phaedrus44> cool..never used it
[02:57] <wazdmin> ok it worked no probel
[02:57] <phaedrus44> think it will run a little better with xfce?
[02:57] <reka> phaedrus44: yes.  running ubuntu is do-able on your system. but i'd get more ram and install a more lightweight wm.
[02:57] <wazdmin> now i should be able to download everything
[02:57] <Agiofws> cafuego,  so it doesnt have a root account ?
[02:57] <bodly> remyforbes777: use links
[02:57] <cafuego> Agiofws: It does, but it's not useable by users for security reasons.
[02:57] <reka> phaedrus44: yes.  xfce is a good choice.
[02:57] <mikeworking> bodly: Thanks for the article. The article got me thinking...Here's my response...
[02:57] <bimberi> wazdmin: now where are you at - installing java?
[02:57] <remyforbes777> bodly: links?
[02:57] <phaedrus44> can i keep the ram and just use fluxbox?
[02:57] <wazdmin> yep
[02:57] <wazdmin> i need to do that
[02:57] <phaedrus44> fluxbox a better choice than xfce?
[02:58] <dockane> netsniper, and this explicitly is offered for .rar files, which are incomplete ?
[02:58] <remyforbes777> bodly: never used that before how do you use it
[02:58] <bodly> remyforbes777: e.g. links http://www.ubuntu.com
[02:58] <Agiofws> cafuego,    WHAT about the su command
[02:58] <remyforbes777> ok
[02:58] <remyforbes777> thanks
[02:58] <Agiofws> abd i'm sure the message was for root
[02:58] <fundle> any idea why a fresh install of firefox wont surf to certain pages ?
[02:58] <bimberi> wazdmin: well just for fun try - sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[02:58] <AndyR> anyone else get very slow cd ripping using grip and juicer?
[02:58] <wazdmin> kk
[02:59] <Agiofws> i just don't understand this
[02:59] <Agiofws> there is no root user in ubuntu?
[02:59] <reka> AndyR: enabled DMA?
[02:59] <netsniper> dockane, it will be complete by the time it gets to the last rar
[02:59] <mikeworking> bodly: I can get Windows to connect to another system with CDROM. And then I could download the whole thing to the drive.
[02:59] <wazdmin> still couldnt find package
[02:59] <AndyR> im only getting like x0.4
[02:59] <fundle> even though i can ping them, and another box on the same network can browse them ?
[02:59] <mikeworking> Agiofws: sudo passwd root
[02:59] <wazdmin> im curious..does it work for everyone else
[03:00] <bimberi> wazdmin: it did but I think there has been a recent change to the repositories
[03:00] <wazdmin> ok
[03:00] <cafuego> Agiofws: No there isn't. it's not needed.
[03:00] <AndyR> reka, possibly not, do i use hdparm to enable it?
[03:00] <Agiofws> cafuego,  how can roo be not needed?
[03:00] <Agiofws> cafuego,  how can root be not needed?
[03:00] <wazdmin> and they just havent posted the change necessary problly
[03:00] <cafuego> Agiofws: Why would it be needed?
[03:00] <bodly> mikeworking: ah, ok.  then what?  boot off of the usb drive and mount the iso ?
[03:00] <Agiofws> what if you want to edit the grib file?
[03:00] <mikeworking> bodly: sounds like a plan, right?
[03:01] <fundle> I had a similar problem under FC3
[03:01] <Thorrn4> hello!! I was wondering, where can I find information about the new Ubuntu release - Breezy?
[03:01] <siorfin> sudo gedit grub file?
[03:01] <AndyR> Agiofws, because ubuntu uses sudo
[03:01] <reka> Andrew|iBook: correct.
[03:01] <bodly> mikeworking: yeah, should work
[03:01] <cafuego> Agiofws: A user can issue commands AS root via sudo. being logged in as root the whole time is just a security issue; people invariably type soemthing stupid and wreck their machines.
[03:01] <reka> AndyR: correct.
[03:01] <bimberi> wazdmin: possibly.  Give me a look at your sources.list file by posting it to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:01] <wazdmin> kk
[03:01] <mikeworking> bodly: in fact, I could boot from PCDOS on 64MB USB mem stick pretty easily, I bet.
[03:01] <Thorrn4> hello!! I was wondering, where can I find information about the new Ubuntu release - Breezy?
[03:01] <siorfin> im super happy with ubuntu, finally found a linux version i can use and dump winblows
[03:01] <bodly> mikeworking: yeah, should work.  :-)
[03:01] <mikeworking> bodly: Or would I need to boot from a USB linux and then run from there?
[03:02] <Agiofws> so the alias is sudo vi /grub/boot/menu.lst as example???
[03:02] <cafuego> Agiofws: indeed.
[03:02] <reka> Thorrn4: the official website maybe. :-P
[03:02] <brad> hoary works perfectly on my thinkpad t40p
[03:02] <Thorrn4> reka, I was looking for it....its not there
[03:02] <wazdmin> ok..is this suppose to be like this..i have two seprate files..sources.list. and sourcest.list_backup
[03:02] <mikeworking> brad: does yours have a CDROM and floppy? My new IBM Thinkpad didn't come with one.
[03:02] <wazdmin> one is updated
[03:02] <wazdmin> one is isnt
[03:02] <cafuego> Agiofws: Except you don't normally need to edit menu.lst either, becuase the kenrel packages add themselves.
[03:02] <siorfin> i actually use sudo pico imo, carry over from shell accounts
[03:03] <Agiofws> cafuego,   what if you go to init level 3???? and login as root?
[03:03] <lampshade> mikeworking:  Holy crap, a thinkpad without a cdrom?  Are you serious???
[03:03] <brad> my t40 came with the crappy 9.5mm dvd/cdrw
[03:03] <Agiofws> cafuego,  su command does not work?
[03:03] <cafuego> Agiofws: Going to init level 3 would still give you X.
[03:03] <bimberi> wazdmin: just the sources.list
[03:03] <wazdmin> ohh
[03:03] <mikeworking> lampshade: That's the only thing my boss would give me. I guess I have to get a USB CDR/DVDR.
[03:03] <wazdmin> durrhh
[03:03] <Agiofws> huh?
[03:03] <chrishartley> My laptop screen size is being incorreclty detected as limited to 800x600 (it is 1024x768 in windows) in the BIOS scan ATI runs when I start x. Any hints on how to over ride the incorrect video bios data and get the full 1024x768?
[03:03] <wazdmin> nooby mistyake number 1
[03:03] <cafuego> Agiofws: And no, 'su' asks for a root password, so you can't use it. 'sudo -s' works fine, though.
[03:03] <ttj> I'm having a bit of trouble installing ubuntu... The installer finds both my wireless adapter (built in) and my wired adapter, the problem being that the wireless adapter gets the name eth0. My wireless network is encrypted, and so after the installer reboots, it's unable to download any new packages since it doesn't get connected. How do I solve this?
[03:03] <siorfin> sudo init 3
[03:04] <lampshade> mikeworking:  Did it come with windows on it?  (I suppose they could have some special thing for loading on windows from not a cdrom or floppy...?)
[03:04] <fundle> with ubuntu whats the cleanest way to install new software apt-get ?
[03:04] <bodly> Agiofws: if not being root really bothers you, just type sudo passwd and change roots password
[03:04] <Agiofws> what if you kill kdm
[03:04] <wazdmin> so i need to delete my _backup and edit the right one
[03:04] <mikeworking> lampshade: Yeah, XP. Guess why I'm here today in this forum.
[03:04] <cafuego> Agiofws: Then you have a console, where you can log in as user. and then run 'sudo -s'
[03:04] <siorfin> sudo works at command line also
[03:04] <cafuego> Agiofws: Is the sudo concept *so* hard to understand?
[03:04] <bimberi> wazdmin: you can keep the _backup.  Thats OK.  But apt-get always uses sources.list
[03:04] <Agiofws> but wht is roots passwd?
[03:04] <cafuego> Agiofws: STOP IT!
[03:04] <cafuego> arrrgh
[03:04] <Agiofws> cafuego,  yes never heard of it
[03:05] <cafuego> Agiofws: Go read the wiki about rootsudo
[03:05] <cafuego> !root
[03:05] <ubotu> it has been said that root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:05] <Agiofws> hm..
[03:05] <cafuego> Agiofws: Go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo and read it.
[03:05] <chrishartley> agiofws root can't log in, but other users can do things as root by running sudo and typing in their own password
[03:06] <Agiofws> other users?
[03:06] <chrishartley> agiofws yep
[03:06] <reka> chrishartley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:06] <cafuego> Only if you add them to the 'admin' group.
[03:06] <Agiofws> as?
[03:07] <Agiofws> what a  strage concept though
[03:07] <chrishartley> reka Yeah, this problem isn't covered in the howto, but the howto is very useful
[03:07] <cafuego> Agiofws: Like I said, go read the wiki.
[03:07] <Agiofws> i am
[03:07] <chrishartley> reka I need to actually override the probed settings because it gives the probed settings prescedent over anything I put in xorg.conf
[03:07] <bodly> mikeworking: i think that if you were to boot with freedos off your usb thingy, you should be able to get it to work as in that article
[03:08] <Agiofws> cafuego,  are you sure gnome wa asking me for users pasword?
[03:08] <cafuego> Agiofws: yes
[03:08] <reka> chrishartley: not sure i get what your problem is then.
[03:08] <Agiofws> i do not have the distro infront of me right now
[03:08] <Agiofws> oh ok
[03:09] <wazdmin> ya
[03:09] <wazdmin> iti edited it right the first time
[03:09] <pedingto> Which P2P client is reasonably decent?
[03:10] <chrishartley> reka The ATI server/driver/whatever probes my lcd screen when it starts up, gets the model number and (incorrect) max-size of 800x600 and then throws out everything in xorg.conf that conflicts with that (such as a modeline for 1024x768, because that is bigger than 800x600
[03:10] <wazdmin> bimberi: ok..now i need to download jave and install it
[03:10] <reka> chrishartley: it's most likely your monitor rates aren't correct.
[03:11] <wazdmin> that is going to be a bitch
[03:11] <bimberi> wazdmin: was there an issue with sources.list?
[03:11] <wazdmin> nope
[03:11] <jode> does anyone know a good encoder to change mp3's to ogg vorbis for ubuntu?
[03:11] <wazdmin> it was right the first time
[03:11] <bimberi> wazdmin: the one you've pasted looks fine
[03:11] <chrishartley> reka possible, finding laptop rates sucks though, I did finding something on the toshiba website that claims to be accurate
[03:12] <bimberi> jode: try audacity
[03:12] <urbanfox[Vandal] > does the Intel Pro Wireless 2200 (aka ipw2200) work with Ubuntu out of the box?
[03:12] <wazdmin> umm..can you try and see if u can install it
[03:12] <wazdmin> using apt-get
[03:12] <jode> Thanks !!!!
[03:12] <reka> chrishartley: try this:  sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[03:12] <wazdmin> u can just say No when it ask u if u r sure
[03:12] <AndyR> jode, im going to other way .ogg to mp3
[03:13] <Agiofws> what a strange concept just  confuses me more
[03:13] <bodly> urbanfox[Vandal] : it should.  my ipw2100 worked
[03:13] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok - i'll have to update my repos first - stand by
[03:13] <chrishartley> reka my panel doesn't probe like that, it returns nothing
[03:13] <wazdmin> kk
[03:13] <wazdmin> thanks
[03:14] <chrishartley> reka but that does say my video card does support up to 1280x1024 for the exteral vga
[03:14] <reka> chrishartley: ah.  well i'd try and use the sample rates used on the wiki.
[03:14] <reka> chrishartley: but do you know what res. your mointor can go up to?
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka I know windows works at 1024x768
[03:15] <reka> chrishartley: max?
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka that is as high as windows will go with it
[03:15] <reka> chrishartley: is this an old laptop?
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka I doubt it can go any higher on a 13" screen
[03:15] <urbanfox[Vandal] > bodly, ipw2100 is a different animal :p
[03:15] <chrishartley> reka yeah, satellite 1735 pII
[03:15] <Zotnix> UrbanFox: Got the link I sent, right?
[03:16] <chrishartley> reka is there somewhere I can paste you parts of my xorg.0.log?
[03:16] <reka> chrishartley: are there any warnings or errors?
[03:16] <Dr_Melectaus> Is there any sites where i can download new themes for ubuntu?
[03:16] <reka> chrishartley: posting your xorg.conf fle to a pastebin would be good too.
[03:16] <smack> Dr_Melectaus: art.gnome.org
[03:16] <chrishartley> reka yeah, where it probes as 800x600 and then discards all the default and given modes higher then that
[03:16] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks smack
[03:17] <Andrew|iBook> reka: what am i correct about
[03:17] <scott> Dr_Melectaus: gnome-look.org has tons
[03:17] <reka> chrishartley: discards?  i doubt it would delete it...
[03:17] <bodly> urbanfox[Vandal] : true, but drivers and firmware for both are available
[03:17] <chrishartley> reka it doesn't delete it, it ignores it
[03:17] <jakob_> moparfan90: it's me xiximkopp, my router reconnected...
[03:17] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks
[03:17] <reka> Andrew|iBook: yeah sorry, that was meant for AndyR.  lousy tab completion.
[03:18] <moparfan90> o
[03:18] <moparfan90> ok
[03:18] <reka> chrishartley: well having see this a *lot* of times, i'm 99% sure it's your monitor rates.
[03:18] <Andrew|iBook> reka: meh
[03:18] <Andrew|iBook> lol
[03:18] <reka> chrishartley: if you've put 1024 as an available res, that's the only thing left.
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> how does this channel keep it self up with no ops
[03:19] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" works for me after updating my repos
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> i find it amazing there are no n00bs
[03:19] <moparfan90> ho cares
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> there are n00bs all over irc
[03:19] <reka> Andrew|iBook: the ops are in the shadows. :)
[03:19] <Andrew|iBook> uh
[03:19] <reka> Andrew|iBook: we get noob spurts now and then.
[03:19] <chaps0063> how do I add the ability to stream mp3s?
[03:20] <wazdmin> lmao
[03:20] <wazdmin> i must be doing something wrong
[03:20] <wazdmin> umm....
[03:20] <wazdmin> i must be skipping a step
[03:20] <wazdmin> how i am doing that
[03:20] <wazdmin> i dont know
[03:20] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok I'm going to update my sources.list with yours and check that
[03:21] <reka> chaps0063: you mean "play" streamed mp3s?  what program?
[03:21] <wazdmin> kk
[03:22] <Dr_Melectaus> scott: do they have themes or just wallpapers?
[03:22] <chrishartley> reka ok, you are probably right, but check out my post on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:22] <wazdmin> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:22] <wazdmin> i followed those exact steps
[03:22] <reka> chrishartley: full link please?  that's like giving me the google homepage. :)
[03:23] <Dr_Melectaus> does gnome-look.org have themes or just wallpapers
[03:23] <reka> Dr_Melectaus: both i'd assume
[03:23] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[03:23] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, both
[03:24] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, but art.gnome.org is better for themese
[03:24] <misfit_toy> themes even
[03:24] <bimberi> wazdmin: I've used yours from paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:24] <chrishartley> reka http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/315
[03:24] <remyforbes777> sorry i cant remember the name of the person who told me about links but thanks
[03:25] <wazdmin> meaning it works for you
[03:25] <wazdmin> so it should work for me as well
[03:25] <wazdmin> thats wird
[03:25] <Dr_Melectaus> misfit_toy:  art.gnome is down
[03:25] <bimberi> wazdmin: not yet - still updating my repos (modem link)
[03:25] <chrishartley> reka and my full xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/316
[03:25] <reka> chrishartley: can you post the xorg.conf file too please?
[03:25] <reka> ah
[03:26] <wazdmin> oic
[03:26] <Dr_Melectaus> what ling on gnome-look.org do i go to for themes
[03:27] <misfit_toy> Dr_Melectaus, it appears they are having database issues, they might be doing an upgrade.
[03:27] <Dr_Melectaus> misfit_toy: ok thanks
[03:27] <unome> gnome-look.org is up and running.
[03:28] <chrishartley> reka xorg.conf is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/316, full /var/log/Xorg.0.log is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/318
[03:28] <reka> chrishartley: hmm.  this is hard because [1]  you have a laptop [2]  a google on your panel model didn't return anything
[03:29] <reka> chrishartley: i'd try running the autodetect script again (described @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto)
[03:29] <reka> if you haven't yet
[03:29] <bimberi> wazdmin: this is going to take a while.  While we're waiting try running Synaptic (from System -> Administration)
[03:29] <wazdmin> k
[03:29] <reka> chrishartley: i'm certain it's the rates that are too low.  i just don't know what to put in there.
[03:29] <scott> Dr_Melectaus: there are a bunch of themes. you click on metacity or gtk 2.
[03:29] <misfit_toy> if anybody is having ndiswrapper problems, the new 1.2v is out and seems to fix a ton of issues, it definitely fixed my netgear WG511
[03:30] <siorfin> anyone know what stub.exe
[03:30] <pedingto> what is the problem with the resolution chrishartley?
[03:30] <siorfin> is
[03:30] <bimberi> wazdmin: Do a search for "sun"
[03:30] <wazdmin> k
[03:30] <cafuego> siorfin: Sounds like a worm/virus
[03:30] <reka> pedingto: he can't go higher than 800x600.
[03:31] <pedingto> I had a similar problem with my Dell, that was stuck at 640x480.
[03:31] <reka> pedingto: xorg.conf is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/316, full /var/log/Xorg.0.log is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/318
[03:31] <pedingto> Yeah I just read that.
[03:31] <wazdmin> nothin java based came up..i searched java..and then i have tons of options
[03:31] <pedingto> Doesn't he need to add in a modeline?
[03:31] <bimberi> wazdmin: see anything?
[03:31] <reka> pedingto: whereabouts?
[03:32] <chrishartley> pedingto My theory is that the lcd's bios is incorrectly reporting 800x600 and then every setting I do is ignored because it conflicts withat that 800x600 probe
[03:32] <pedingto> just below the VertRefresh
[03:32] <wazdmin> complete java sdk enviorment
[03:32] <pedingto> Well I fixed mine by manually entering the HorizSync and VertRefresh.
[03:32] <wazdmin> consisting of free java tols
[03:32] <pedingto> What manufacturer is the Dell?
[03:32] <pedingto> err laptop
[03:32] <chrishartley> pedingto I've put in a 1024 modeline and it is discarded just like the defaults
[03:32] <pedingto> Is it dell?
[03:32] <wazdmin> i see
[03:33] <chrishartley> pedingto toshiba satellite 1735
[03:33] <pedingto> Hrm.
[03:33] <wazdmin> java runtime enviorment with GCj
[03:33] <pedingto> odd indeed.
[03:33] <bimberi> wazdmin: I'm pretty sure azureus won't work with that - unfortunately
[03:33] <pedingto> Have you checked for a bios update from Toshiba?
[03:33] <chrishartley> pedingto I wouldn't think it could do 1024x768 if that isn't what windows does
[03:33] <chrishartley> pedingto there is one, that might help
[03:33] <pedingto> Well I had a similar problem Chris.
[03:33] <wazdmin> yep
[03:33] <wazdmin> considering its written in all java
[03:33] <pedingto> I applied a patch to my BIOS, but still had to manually enter the Horiz, Vert and modelines to the xorg.conf.
[03:34] <bimberi> wazdmin: do an update (via the update button) and try the "sun" search again
[03:34] <chrishartley> pedingto yeah, I've been able to fix this kind of thing on other computers by putting int he correct hori, vert, modelines but this is a tough bugger
[03:34] <wazdmin> Java Framework for MVC web applications
[03:34] <wazdmin> kk
[03:34] <reka> chrishartley: like i said, i'm almost certain it's that the monitor rates need to be changed.
[03:34] <chrishartley> reka well, I'll see if I can dig any up. The ones I have I got from an xf86config file on toshiba's website
[03:35] <wazdmin> there is no update button
[03:36] <pedingto> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/319 <-- that is my monitor section
[03:36] <pedingto> I'm running a dell inspiron 1100.
[03:36] <bimberi> wazdmin: "Reload" sorry
[03:36] <chrishartley> pedingto thanks
[03:36] <pedingto> Might help some :/
[03:36] <wazdmin> i get a few options..nothing with java though
[03:36] <pedingto> Mine was stuck at 640x absolutely tiny :)
[03:37] <reka> pedingto: did you generate this with something?
[03:37] <pedingto> Yes, but I'll be buggered if I can remember the command.
[03:37] <pedingto> Some chap from here, gave me the command to get the modeline.
[03:37] <bimberi> wazdmin: hmm.  My update still has a while to go - blasted modem
[03:38] <pedingto> The sync and refresh rates I got from googling for about 2 hours.
[03:38] <wazdmin> damn
[03:38] <pedingto> But the modeline was generated.
[03:38] <wazdmin> well all i can say is let me try ur update manager
[03:38] <tman> Hello everyone.  I have backports listed in my sources, yet I still show firefox version 1.0.2  Where's 1.0.4?
[03:38] <wazdmin> or source .list file
[03:38] <tman> yes.
[03:39] <chrishartley> restaring x, brb
[03:39] <darby> I have installed the ATI drivers for Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 and I have edited xorg.conf properly and I get an error when I try to access Screen Resolution: The X Server does not support XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[03:40] <siorfin> ok anyone know how to add extra repositories to sources.list and give them a lower priority when there are two conflicting versions in ubuntu?
[03:40] <wazdmin> Java support for libglade gnome interface..is that what i need
[03:40] <darby> I have libxrandr2 installed
[03:40] <bimberi> wazdmin: I was thinking the same thing - I'll paste it.  Stand by.
[03:40] <siorfin> i saw somethig on forums awhile back on that but cant find it
[03:40] <wazdmin> k
[03:40] <tman> Where do I go to get Firefox 1.0.4?
[03:41] <wazdmin> pm me
[03:41] <wazdmin> that wya it dont flood the room
[03:41] <ray_> more people need to play cube!
[03:41] <pedingto> How did it go Chris?
[03:41] <tman> wazdmin:  was that pm message intended for me?
[03:42] <wazdmin> nope
[03:42] <chrishartley> pedingto still here in 800x600
[03:42] <pedingto> Darn.
[03:42] <chrishartley> pedingto looks like it ignored those settings too
[03:42] <pedingto> Hrm.
[03:42] <pedingto> Does it replace those settings?
[03:42] <chrishartley> I'm going to look into updating the bios and seeing if I can google anyone elses' rates
[03:42] <chrishartley> pedingto yeah, it defaults back to 800x600
[03:42] <pedingto> Thats odd mate.
[03:42] <pedingto> If you find out how to fix it let me know.
[03:43] <chrishartley> i'm going to solve this and I'll let you all know how it goes
[03:43] <pedingto> I'll google as well, see if I can find out the command I used to generate the modeline.
[03:43] <chrishartley> reka: if it does turn out to be the modeline i'll admit you were right :-)
[03:43] <chrishartley> reka or the horizontal/vertical
[03:43] <pedingto> I think its the modeline.
[03:43] <pedingto> Because that was the issue I had.
[03:43] <pedingto> lol
[03:44] <mikeworking> All, if you have PXE on your laptop and no CDROM or floppy, then try Ubuntu PXE Install from wiki.koeln.ccc.de...
[03:44] <bimberi> wazdmin: ok - pasted to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/320
[03:45] <mikeworking> http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[03:45] <wazdmin> kk
[03:45] <wazdmin> im doin it right now
[03:45] <zoe1222> anybody here know much about ubuntu on PPC?
[03:45] <cafuego> zoe1222: yes
[03:45] <zoe1222> I'm trying to install onto an iMac,
[03:45] <zoe1222> the live cd works,
[03:45] <cafuego> Which iMac?
[03:45] <zoe1222> but the install doesn't,
[03:45] <zoe1222> a lime,
[03:45] <zoe1222> rev C maybe.
[03:45] <cafuego> How does the install fail?
[03:46] <zoe1222> The X windows system cannot start,
[03:46] <cafuego> Yeah, I have a grape here
[03:46] <cafuego> Can you log in on the console and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[03:46] <zoe1222> not at the moment,
[03:47] <zoe1222> but what should I look for there?
[03:47] <flodine> anyone running xcompmgr
[03:47] <flodine> help
[03:47] <cafuego> Well, when you can, do so and check the bottom of that file for the error that causes it to fail.
[03:47] <zoe1222> I see.
[03:47] <cafuego> zoe1222: it's normally something straightforward (like a wrong mouse device)
[03:47] <zoe1222> hmm,
[03:48] <cafuego> Which reminds me, I have an iMac to back up and wipe
[03:49] <flodine> help with xcompmgr
[03:49] <Dreco> Newbie question: I want to dump backup files from the windows network to a Ubuntu machine, where is the best place to keep that folder ?
[03:49] <flodine> anyone
[03:50] <chrishartley> great, now I need a floppy disk to for this bios update
[03:50] <chrishartley> who has floppy disks anymore?
[03:50] <pedingto> can't do it from a CD?
[03:50] <Dreco> lol poor you
[03:50] <pedingto> I'd be stuffed, as I don't have a floppy drive in this laptop lol
[03:50] <phaedrus44> haedrus
[03:50] <misfit_toy> pedingto, you don't have hotswappable cd and floppy?
[03:51] <chrishartley> damn, self extracting .exe too, i'm doubly screwed
[03:51] <Dreco> anyone help me with my question, I'm sure its an easy one
[03:51] <misfit_toy> chrishartley, use cabextract
[03:51] <pedingto> I have CD, just no floppy.
[03:51] <misfit_toy> chrishartley, gotta usb stick?
[03:52] <flugh> dreco: i'd keep it in my root-readable-only place
[03:53] <flugh> dreco: depending on your method for getting it to the ubuntu box though
[03:54] <Dreco> thanks flugh, that was my next question. I will have to push it from the windows machine to Ubuntu
[03:54] <flugh> Dreco, i'd probably make something in /home if it's a lot of stuff. mainly because i tend to make /home a seperate partition and it's easy to backup
[03:54] <Dreco> so it will have to be shared
[03:54] <digitalfox> Ubuntu has officially impressed me
[03:54] <digitalfox> everything on my laptop worked
[03:54] <digitalfox> without touching it
[03:55] <pedingto> Awesome, digitalfox. :)  I only had to make a minor change to the xorg.conf to fix a resolution issue.
[03:55] <flugh> dreco: easiest i'd think is run samba, make a share, limit valid users. unless you want to run scp/sftp (look into "putty" for windows, it's great tool, maybe command line solution)
[03:55] <digitalfox> I didn't even have to do that O.o it set the OSS ATI drivers and the proper native resolution for my LCD
[03:55] <pedingto> Nice one. :)
[03:56] <pedingto> My laptop is a bit odd, so I wasn't surprised.  Though I have more problems with windows the ubuntu on it.
[03:56] <fundle> hey...
[03:56] <Dreco> thanks flugh, will try the share first
[03:56] <chrishartley> digitalfox I'm very impressed with it so far, it detected my laptop audio and everything ont he first try, still working on the video resolution
[03:56] <fundle> on a brandn new install of ubuntu is there anything i need to tweak for apt-get to work ?
[03:56] <cubicool> Hello all; can anyone point me towards the path to getting WIN32 codecs working w/ Ubunut--particularly using GStreamer if possible so as to integate w/ Nautilus...
[03:57] <cyphase> hey everyone
[03:58] <moparfan90> 423 people. WOW!!!
[03:59] <Dreco> Q: does the login screen look different if I want to log into a windows domain ?
[04:00] <flodine> man someone help me with xcompmgr
[04:02] <Dreco> Busy finalising installation of Ubuntu on another workstation, I know when I reboot I am going to get just garbage on the screen... here goes
[04:02] <fundle> what would i type ot install Eterm ? apt-get install Eterm ?
[04:03] <tensor> hello, how do i enable screensavers when logged on as root? (disregarding security issues, that is)
[04:03] <Dreco> try it and see
[04:05] <Dreco> hey it worked ! now I know, dont reboot until I have upgraded to Hoary
[04:05] <freddy> whats the best/easier way in this distro to install the drivers? i mean..if i can get them from apt-get or something...or just as the other distros...downloading and changing the X config file?
[04:06] <nalioth> freddy: how many questions is that?
[04:06] <freddy> haha
[04:06] <freddy> :P
[04:06] <Dreco> *g*
[04:06] <tensor> eherm, how do i enable screensavers when logged on as root? (disregarding security issues, that is)
[04:06] <freddy> anyone could help me out with my sound too? :P
[04:07] <nalioth> freddy: have ya visted the wiki?
[04:07] <freddy> the who?
[04:08] <bodly> the wonderful wiki of oz
[04:08] <nalioth> freddy: point your browser to wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:08] <nalioth> freddy: there you'll find answers for all kinds of questions
[04:08] <reka> tensor: sys->prefs->screensaver doesn't work?
[04:09] <tensor> reka: as a default, screensavers are disabled for root
[04:09] <digitalfox> I think xscreensaver whines
[04:09] <pedingto> night folks.
[04:09] <digitalfox> as do 90% of applications
[04:09] <digitalfox> why are you logged in as root?
[04:10] <reka> tensor: ah.  dunno then
[04:10] <digitalfox> I hate to be the classic linux guy who goes "why are you doing it in the first place"
[04:10] <digitalfox> but...
[04:10] <tensor> digitalfox: need to install some services directly
[04:10] <digitalfox> why are you doing it in the first place?
[04:10] <toran> hey guys, I have Neverwinter Nights running on my ubuntu machine. The game runs fine for about 10 minutes, then it starts getting really choppy. I have an ATI radeon 9200 card. does anyone else have this problem?
[04:10] <digitalfox> tensor, then why do you need a screensaver?
[04:10] <digitalfox> toran, are you running the OSS ATI drivers?
[04:10] <digitalfox> or the official ones?
[04:10] <tensor> digitalfox: eye candy
[04:11] <digitalfox> tensor, while you're installing services? :P
[04:11] <toran> digitalfox: I think I'm running the ones from the ubuntu repo
[04:11] <toran> how can I check?
[04:11] <digitalfox> uh. dunno, honestly
[04:11] <tensor> digitalfox: yes
[04:12] <digitalfox> tensor, well, dunno what to say. you might want to execute screensaver as another user
[04:12] <toran> xorg-driver-fg 6.8.0-8.8.25-0 Video driver for ATI graphics accelerator
[04:12] <toran> I have that installed
[04:12] <tensor> digitalfox: :p
[04:12] <digitalfox> toran, okay... so that's the OSS one
[04:12] <digitalfox> hrm
[04:12] <digitalfox> odd
[04:12] <digitalfox> never had problems with the OSS one
[04:12] <toran> I may not be using it though
[04:12] <digitalfox> the official one leeeeaked though
[04:12] <toran> how do I see if my xorg.conf file is using it?
[04:12] <toran> yes, this is /definately/ a leak
[04:12] <digitalfox> grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:13] <toran> Driver          "fglrx"
[04:13] <digitalfox> that's the official one
[04:13] <digitalfox> there's your problem!
[04:13] <toran> i_i
[04:13] <scott> dvdrip still depends on a version of transcode that's not in hoary. any simple easy way to get it to work?
[04:13] <toran> how do I change to the oss?
[04:13] <digitalfox> toran, change the Driver entry to "ati"
[04:13] <digitalfox> I think that's about it
[04:14] <toran> digitalfox: way cool
[04:14] <toran> do I need to reboo?
[04:14] <toran> *reboot?
[04:14] <nalioth> toran, you only need to reboot when you upgrade the kernel
[04:14] <toran> ok, so just restarting X should do it?
[04:14] <digitalfox> yes
[04:14] <digitalfox> just restart X
[04:14] <digitalfox> was about to explain how for ya :p
[04:15] <toran> I know how ;-)
[04:15] <toran> ctrl+alt+bs
[04:15] <toran> or, /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:15] <toran> which method is more appropriate?
[04:15] <toran> I guess ctrl+alt+bs is more of a hard shutdown, but will the KDM method actually get it?'
[04:15] <nalioth> toran: either or
[04:15] <toran> ok
[04:15] <toran> brb, then
[04:15] <digitalfox> the kdm stop
[04:16] <digitalfox> is better
[04:16] <nalioth> toran: some folks love their terminal soooooo much, they want to do everything from it
[04:16] <toran> lol nalioth
[04:16] <toran> I like my terminal, but I only use it when i think it's faster than a GUI
[04:16] <digitalfox> terminal is nice in some cases :)
[04:16] <digitalfox> yeh
[04:16] <Zotnix> Digis: Actually in Ubuntu ctrl+alt+bs does pretty much the same thing as /etc/init.d/gdm/kdm restart :p
[04:16] <digitalfox> Zotnix, oh, really?
[04:16] <toran> oftentimes I can be /waaay/ more productive than with a GUI
[04:16] <wazdmin> hey guys,,i just ran ifconfig..is it normal to see a few errors in packets
[04:16] <`crimsun> wazdmin, sure
[04:16] <wazdmin> k
[04:16] <wazdmin> = )
[04:16] <digitalfox> I wouldn't call it normal, nor would I call it abnormal
[04:17] <wazdmin> i just see a few errors and dropped packets
[04:17] <digitalfox> wifi? or ethernet?
[04:17] <wazdmin> no biggy
[04:17] <wazdmin> ethernet
[04:17] <digitalfox> hrm
[04:17] <digitalfox> odd
[04:17] <digitalfox> but not a big deal
[04:17] <wazdmin> i am behind a router and have a old modem
[04:18] <freddy> now...is there any real problem if i dont see my nvidia card in cat /proc/pci ? or worst...if i dont EVEN have that pci directory?
[04:18] <wazdmin> that could be it..also my ether net cord isnt that sturdy on one end..has a broken clip
[04:18] <digitalfox> freddy, use lspci
[04:18] <Dreco> ok I have installed samba and shared the folder, now when connecting from a windows pc I get a prompt for username/password but its not accepting the user/pass of the ubuntu machine...?
[04:19] <digitalfox> wazdmin, the router probably has little to do with it
[04:19] <wazdmin> = )
[04:19] <wazdmin> i dont have a problem with that
[04:19] <digitalfox> I'd blame the modem, or maybe just a bad network cable?
[04:19] <digitalfox> Dreco, you need to set your user password
[04:19] <digitalfox> Dreco, with smbpasswd
[04:19] <digitalfox> on the Linux machine
[04:19] <Dreco> not the same password I type when I login ?
[04:20] <digitalfox> nope, it uses a different password database
[04:20] <digitalfox> which is silly, I agree
[04:20] <digitalfox> it should check against your login pass
[04:20] <digitalfox> you can use the same password if you'd like
[04:20] <digitalfox> I do
[04:20] <Dreco> vewy vewy silly
[04:20] <Dreco> lemme try
[04:21] <limer> what is the command to reconfigure X?
[04:21] <apokryphos> limer: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:21] <limer> ty apokryphos
[04:21] <limer> now if only screen would cooperate
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> screen the program?
[04:22] <Dreco> digitalfox, ok but when I use old and new as same password remains unchanged and it keeps prompting for new password ?
[04:22] <limer> tiglionabbit, yes
[04:22] <digitalfox> weird...
[04:22] <Dreco> but if it doesnt have an old passwd then what do i use for old passwd
[04:22] <tiglionabbit> what are you trying to do with it, limer?  (just curious)
[04:22] <digitalfox> Dreco, I don't know, honestly
[04:22] <digitalfox> never had it do that myself
[04:22] <limer> CTRL+A starts copy
[04:23] <Dreco> ooo k
[04:23] <limer> nevermind, I'm not doing it quickly enough
[04:23] <tiglionabbit> limer: you're using screen on an x-session?
[04:24] <limer> tiglionabbit: I don't have X since putting in the ati radeon
[04:24] <limer> using screen b/c it's a hell of a lot easier than multiple logins at diff. TTYs
[04:24] <limer> IMO, anyway
[04:25] <nalioth> limer: the VESA driver will get you a gui
[04:26] <limer> nalioth, thx.
[04:26] <tiglionabbit> limer: you know you can use control-Z, right?
[04:26] <six2one> has anyone gotten xp to install and boot with qemu 0.6.1?
[04:26] <tiglionabbit> or are you putting up multiple windows with it?  I really need to learn to do that
[04:26] <chad> ubuntu recently auto-updated my linux headers pkg.. and all the sudden my ipw2200 drivers aren't loading anymore.. i even tried rebuilding, but its not helping
[04:26] <limer> brb
[04:28] <Dreco> ok help, I have shared a folder on ubuntu and am trying to access it from a windows pc which then prompts me for a login but does not accept any of the ubuntu machines credentials
[04:29] <six2one> whats the windows os? xp?
[04:29] <Dreco> yes
[04:29] <six2one> workgroup or domain?
[04:29] <Dreco> domain
[04:29] <adwait_> hello ppl.....help me out here, trying to configure sendmail to use a different port but can't find sendmail.cf
[04:30] <six2one> is the ubuntu system in the domain?
[04:30] <six2one> just figured i should start with the basics
[04:30] <Dreco> i have installed samba in entered the domain name under networking, same ip range subnet etc
[04:31] <six2one> i had that problem and it was samba not sharing in the right domain
[04:31] <Dreco> I cant tell whether it actually logs onto the domain or not
[04:31] <six2one> what type of auth are u using?
[04:31] <levander> Anyway to figure out which temperature is for which sensor in the lm-sensors output?
[04:32] <Dreco> I dont think I know the answer to that question six2one
[04:32] <Dreco> what are my options ?
[04:35] <six2one> hey guys, i just installed ubuntu on a particular machine of mine (it ran fc3 fine, 4 also) and you know the drum roll at the login screen? well it wont stop that noise....ever....i stopped the sound server and removed the sound and everything and it still is going, so i reinstalled it and it still goes
[04:35] <six2one> any ideas?
[04:36] <Dr_Melectaus> im finding it really hard to find a good wallpaper :(
[04:36] <reka> six2one: you could disable sound events...but that doesn't really fix what's causing it
[04:36] <levander> six2one: I wonder if you stopped the correct sound server? Isn't there more than one that can run under Linux?
[04:37] <limer> clear
[04:38] <freddy> do you guys know of any posibility on adding shadows to the windows?
[04:38] <reka> six2one: keep it in the channel.  more people can help that way :)
[04:39] <freddy> kassetra, dont ignore me :(
[04:41] <wazdmin> heyn guys..sometimes i get broken sounds..from like apps like gaim..how can i fix that
[04:42] <wazdmin> and also.i somehow added a music folder i had to my system tab..how can i remove that
[04:44] <reka> wazdmin, six2one: worth a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567
[04:45] <jp> Hi guys, I'm trying to burn an audio cd, I tried with gnomebaker and k3b, but they don't burn :( Tha hardware is ok (it burns on xp) some help? :)
[04:45] <reka> jp: more info needed...define "don't burn".
[04:46] <jp> reka yep I know well
[04:46] <reka> ?
[04:46] <jp> reka, gnome baker says that the cd blank is not mounted :) which isn't certain ) it's mount :)
[04:47] <jp> and k3b stops :)
[04:47] <crystal> nice
[04:47] <jp> reka what don't you understand?
[04:48] <jp> reka, I think is my hardware, I tried burning on fc3 and it's the same problem :/
[04:48] <reka> jp: no, i get it now.
[04:48] <jp> I think it's not fully supported :(
[04:49] <jp> on a cdrecord --scanbus  it gives me an error: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[04:50] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm, ive downloaded xmms, but how the heck to i install it
[04:50] <Dr_Melectaus> ive not installed an app before
[04:50] <arentie> hello...i'm looking for help installing my Wireless card, which is a WMP54G
[04:50] <ninwa> Dr_Melectaus, Use apt-get to install things, or synaptic.
[04:50] <ninwa> sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:50] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus if it's a deb. dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> its tar.gz
[04:51] <othernoob> then extract it, read the readme of it..
[04:51] <rezzcobain> Does anyone know of any good free Linux recording and mixing studios?
[04:51] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:52] <`crimsun> rezzcobain, ardour
[04:52] <othernoob> anyone know how i can make a screenshot of a movie? kaffeine crashes when i try to
[04:52] <wazdmin> also ...i accdiently added a music folder to my places tab..how can i delete that
[04:52] <liquidboy> does anyone know, in gnome, can you have tabs (like in beos) instead of having the bar all the way accross the top of the window?
[04:52] <arentie> when I type  $modeprobe ndiswrapper...I receive: "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:52] <`crimsun> arentie, prepend sudo
[04:52] <gm78> liquidboy, can u show me a beos screenshot and point out what u mean?
[04:53] <soggysandwich> whats up guys/girls
[04:53] <thechitowncubs_> Hey yall
[04:53] <amywilson> hello
[04:53] <jp> http://www.msicomputer.com/product/optical/optical_detail.asp?model=DragonWriter_48x16x48_CD-RW  that's a fully non-supported drive on linux, cool ah? :)
[04:53] <thechitowncubs_> Anyone need any ubuntu help?
[04:53] <wazdmin> anyone know how to remove folders in ur places tab
[04:53] <liquidboy> http://pardus-larus.student.utwente.nl/images/screenshots/xfce4_Wasp_1024x768.jpg - not a beos screen, but a beos theme in xfce. that's what i mean
[04:53] <daffodil> hi everyone, i was wondering if anyone has tried installing the VNC server package on ubuntu
[04:53] <wazdmin> i got a non existant folder in there
[04:53] <gm78> liquidboy, if u mean a big box in the top right, yes, just right click on the panel, click properties, and everything u need should be in there
[04:53] <amywilson> I need help with trying to get java set up with firefox or the Kubuntu browser
[04:53] <soggysandwich> yeah i need some help getting my wireless setup
[04:54] <amywilson> or getting my mozilla
[04:54] <`crimsun> daffodil, ubuntu already includes vino, a vnc server
[04:54] <daffodil> `crimsun:  really?  so it can emulate to a windows machine?
[04:54] <soggysandwich> help me get my wireless setup
[04:54] <`crimsun> daffodil, you can access your ubuntu via vnc, yes
[04:54] <gm78> arentie, did u do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper?
[04:54] <soggysandwich> thechitwoncubs_: can u help with  my wireless
[04:54] <arentie> ok, so now I typed: "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:54] <arentie> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[04:54] <`crimsun> ubuntu machine, rather
[04:55] <wazdmin> here is a little problem i have...i am on amd 64 ubuntu..is there any reason that it cant find and install java..has it not been ported to this version of ubuntu yet ?
[04:55] <nekohayo> do hoary users have all their "gnome keyboard shortcuts" working? for some reason, the only keys that work for me are <Mod4>m and r
[04:55] <freddy> do you guys know of any posibility on adding shadows to the windows?
[04:55] <`crimsun> arentie, did you ensure it isn't already inserted?
[04:55] <daffodil> `crimsun:  so i would still install the vnc viewer on the windows machine and run vino from the ubuntu machine?
[04:55] <nekohayo> freddy, that's coming sometime in the future
[04:55] <Cine> um... where is this about:config so I can get to the fire-fox addons page?
[04:55] <nekohayo> freddy, google "luminocity"
[04:55] <arentie> yes, the card is inserted
[04:55] <gm78> arentie, type lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[04:55] <Dr_Melectaus> If i want to install something on ubuntu, does that mean i need to compile it?
[04:55] <`crimsun> daffodil, yep
[04:55] <nekohayo> it's very buggy though.
[04:55] <|QuaD-> do people here use jabber?
[04:55] <thechitowncubs_> I tried soggysandwich
[04:55] <arentie> maybe i don't understand what you're asking though
[04:55] <`crimsun> daffodil, Remote Desktop in your System>... menu
[04:55] <soggysandwich> oh yeah i remember thechitwonbus_
[04:56] <|QuaD-> anyone who uses jabber: would you reccomend gabber2, gaim, or gossip for JUST jabber
[04:56] <Dr_Melectaus> If i want to install something on ubuntu, does that mean i need to compile it?
[04:56] <daffodil> `crimsun:  i'll go check it out... thanks so much :)
[04:56] <soggysandwich> gaim
[04:56] <gm78> arentie, type the command i said, it will let u know if the kernel module is inserted or not
[04:56] <othernoob> Dr_Melectaus: if you downloaded the source, yes, if you downloaded a precompiled package, no
[04:56] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[04:56] <gm78> arentie, lsmod | grep ndis
[04:56] <wazdmin> i cant install java using sudo apt-get install j2re1.5
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, no, what do you want to install?
[04:56] <goldfish> Dr_Melectaus: use synaptic to inistall stuff
[04:56] <gm78> jasoncohen, open a private chat with me, ill tell u how to set up java
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, most packages can be installed via binary .deb packages through apt-get or synaptic
[04:56] <amywilson> neither can I wazdmin
[04:56] <arentie> gm78: I typed that, but nothing happened
[04:56] <wazdmin> ya
[04:57] <jasoncohen> gm78, i never asked. i have j2re already installed
[04:57] <thechitowncubs_> Hey maybe someone else can help, has anyone gotten WUSB54Gv4 working?? (when will linksys ever release drivers!!!) is it really that hard?
[04:57] <wazdmin> and i cant figure anything out
[04:57] <gm78> jasoncohen, sorry, typed in wrong name :p
[04:57] <freddy> nekohayo, woah looks awesome
[04:57] <wazdmin> like how to remove a Music folder in my places tab
[04:57] <amywilson> same here
[04:57] <nekohayo> ^_^
[04:57] <arentie> i guess, it's not inserted?
[04:57] <gm78> wazdmin, open a private chat with me, ill help u set it up
[04:57] <wazdmin> k
[04:57] <wazdmin> thanks
[04:57] <amywilson> I am brand new to linux so I have been at it all day just trying to get java up
[04:57] <gm78> wazdmin, no problem
[04:57] <nekohayo> freddy, that's the future of XOrg I believe.. I await the day it will be stable enough so I can use it.
[04:57] <soggysandwich> hey i was just wondering if any one had some external hard drives for sale
[04:57] <liquidboy> gm78, i mean the individual window bars. ie the yellow tab. is there any way to get that?
[04:58] <arentie> Hey, I got Java up today!
[04:58] <sarmiento> hi
[04:58] <jasoncohen> i want gnupg 1.4.1 and gaim-otr on hoary so i'm rebuilding from breezy source. any problem with that?
[04:58] <sarmiento> can i use modconf in hoary?
[04:58] <sarmiento> I can't find it
[04:58] <arentie> I'm a newbie too...<applause>
[04:58] <freddy> anyone have any chance of helping me with my sound? i get no sound at all...
[04:58] <freddy> nadda
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[04:58] <nekohayo> freddy, have you two sound cards?