[00:26] <agaida> omfg - ubuntu has a strange understanding of XDG
[00:27] <agaida> normal system (aka debian) :P
[00:27] <agaida> % echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS                                                                                :(
[00:27] <agaida> /etc:/etc/xdg:/usr/share
[00:28] <agaida> ubuntu (lubuntu-next included):
[00:28] <agaida> $ echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[00:28] <agaida> /etc/xdg/xdg-/usr/share/xsessions/lxqt:/etc/xdg
[00:29] <agaida> if anyone wonders why configurations from /usr/share are not readed ...
[00:30] <agaida> or /etc
[00:31] <Unit193> "If $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is either not set or empty, a value equal to /etc/xdg should be used." - https://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[00:31] <agaida> /etc/xdg/xdg- (at least the session should be set)
[00:32] <agaida> Unit193: and you dont understand
[00:32] <agaida> not the first time - but in this case it is important - diff x11-common in debian and in ubuntu
[00:33] <agaida> on will find a lot of files like ##x## 60x11-common_xdg_path
[00:34] <agaida> and that means: no upstream configurations for LXQt will be ever read
[00:36] <agaida> not a problem - but http://paste.debian.net/1007430/
[00:36] <agaida> so at least a proper desktop-session should be set
[00:38] <agaida> and exactly in that case the lubuntu-next settings will be read and lubuntu-next will not be any longer "Back in Black" - and redwolf is a little bit happier again
[00:40] <agaida> enough debugging for today
[00:47] <krytarik> Fwiw, '/usr/share' relates to $XDG_DATA_DIRS, not $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS - "If $XDG_DATA_DIRS is either not set or empty, a value equal to /usr/local/share/:/usr/share/ should be used."
[02:08] <agaida> the only problem is - upstream works everywhere except ubuntu - not a problem, but that means: at least the defaults should be set and all needed configurations has to be in a really readed directory - and thats not a bad starting point
[02:08] <agaida> in other words - cool, we must not take care of upstream not even of debian - we can do what we want to
[02:10] <agaida> and thats  exactly what lubuntu wants - hmm - the only glitches should be fixes by someone who knows the (l)ubuntu way to handle that
[02:10] <agaida> s/only/only thing about is, the
[02:12] <agaida> and after that l-next is no longer "Back in Black" - but in the design and with the settings the team want - and the best is: it will work without programming
[02:15]  * agaida think: and instead of citing the xdg specs - just fix it
[19:24] -GitHub36:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] CoolPolygons opened pull request #8: firefox manual added. (master...master) https://git.io/vNM5i
[23:23] -GitHub0:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 closed pull request #8: firefox manual added. (master...master) https://git.io/vNM5i
[23:23] -GitHub185:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-manual] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNDUN
[23:23] -GitHub185:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-manual/master 9e18459 Jacob Kim: firefox manual added. (#8)


[03:45]  * smartboyhw likes his name mentioned on the announcement page:P
[05:50] <Noskcaj> contrast, I was just going to file a sync bug and have smartboyhw fix it
[05:50] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, did you read the irclog for about 8 hours ago?
[06:02] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, !!!?!?!
[06:02] <smartboyhw> What the？
[06:02] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, the ktp packages. they need syncing
[06:02] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, syncing？
[06:03] <smartboyhw> I thought they are uploaded, that is
[06:03] <Noskcaj> from debian
[06:03] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ah, that's not *syncing*, that's *merging*
[06:03] <smartboyhw> Oh no:(
[06:03] <smartboyhw> Merges take a LONG time.
[06:04] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, isn't it a sync if there are no changes from the debian version?
[06:04] <Noskcaj> The ubuntu delta is irrelevant on most of them
[06:04] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, so, has Debian got the new 0.6.3 ktp version in?
[06:05] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, yep
[06:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, well sync it then, if you want
[06:05] <smartboyhw> But please be reminded, I have no sync rights whatsoever
[06:05] <Noskcaj> I'll file some sync bugs tomorrow if you don't get time to look into it. I have soccar training soon
[06:05] <smartboyhw> I'm not yet a Kubuntu dev.
[06:05] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i know, i was meaning file the bugs
[06:06] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, can't you file the bugs yourself?:P
[06:06] <smartboyhw> It's just as simple as running the syncpackage command from ubuntu-dev-tools...
[06:06] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i can, it's just there are a lot and you where the one who most recently merged them
[06:06] <smartboyhw> Sigh
[06:07] <Noskcaj> I'll do it, it's just i was hoping you could at least help
[06:07] <smartboyhw> Actually, there's no need for a sync if the packages are the same version anyway
[06:07] <smartboyhw> Especially since you said there are no diff.
[06:09] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ^
[06:10] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, most have debian changes that help
[06:10] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, that's merging then
[06:11] <Noskcaj> as in, the changes in debian help
[06:11] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I know
[06:11] <Noskcaj> the debian package is better than the ubuntu package
[06:15] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, OK then
[06:16] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, where are the packages？ unstable or experimental?
[06:16] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, unstable. i found them all on merges.ubuntu.com
[06:18] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, BTW how is it better?
[06:20] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5987873/ is the changelog of one
[06:20] <smartboyhw> ：O
[06:23] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, confirm: ALL of them are syncs?
[06:24] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, IDK, i've only had time to test two, i'll check them when i get to them. I can't seem to get requestsync to work.
[06:24] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, me too:P
[06:33] <Noskcaj> bug 1212556 is the only one i have time to file before i go to soccer
[06:47] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I just can't simply run the requestsync command, the report editing window doesn't jump up
[06:47] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^ can you help a bit?:P
[06:47] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[08:21] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, exact same problem here
[08:22] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, hmm
[08:22] <smartboyhw> :(
[08:23] <yofel> smartboyhw: I've got a minue, what are you running? (commandline)
[08:23] <smartboyhw> yofel, requestsync
[08:23] <yofel> *minute
[08:23] <yofel> without parameters? ^^
[08:23] <smartboyhw> requestsync -d unstable ktp-accounts-kcm
[08:23] <smartboyhw> It was Noskcaj's request so that he can put the Debian changes in.
[08:25] <yofel> smartboyhw: http://paste.kde.org/p044a013a ?
[08:25] <yofel> it just took ~20s until it showed up
[08:25] <yofel> LP seems a bit slow
[08:25] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah
[08:26] <smartboyhw> Well it just doesn't show up for me at all
[08:26] <yofel> you could use --email maybe
[08:26] <yofel> LP does have an email interface after all
[08:26]  * yofel gone again
[08:27] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ^
[08:30] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i'll try that
[08:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: something up with your blog? uds-p post on planet.kde
[09:09] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, it works now, just very slowly
[09:18] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, :)
[10:09] <shadeslayer> huh
[10:10] <shadeslayer> http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1kcxjl/kde_software_compilation_411_released/cbntvji
[10:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, how are you today?
[10:11] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: good good
[10:11] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:12] <shadeslayer> how are you?
[10:12] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, great here also
[10:43] <Riddell> rshort: any idea when tariq wants to go ahead with kubuntu support?
[10:46] <rshort> I'll chase him up for you he's just on the phone at the minute
[10:48] <Riddell> rshort: or just get him on here so I can chase him up myself :)
[10:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: logs could be interesting, otherwise no idea. I tested any upgrade path I could think of
[11:05] <Riddell> bwa ha ha
[11:05] <Riddell> ooh hi tariq :)
[11:06]  * jussi waves to Riddell
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:07] <Riddell> afternoon jussi
[11:07] <jussi> Riddell: I need money!!!!!!! :D
[11:08] <jussi> Riddell: (yes it was me who did the de-opping) :D
[11:08] <Riddell> you power crazed op!
[11:08] <jussi> hehe
[11:08] <smartboyhw> jussi, you money-and-power crazed op!
[11:09] <jussi> heh
[11:09]  * jussi shoots smartboyhw in the foot :D
[11:09] <jussi> with a rubber band...
[11:09] <smartboyhw> jussi, it doesn't hurt at all
[11:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you know how to setup encryption in kmail>
[11:33] <yofel> same how you setup signing?
[11:33]  * smartboyhw watches this interesting questioning
[11:34] <yofel> only difference is that kmail will ask you to select the key before sending
[11:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why do you want to encrypt and sign all your e-mail?
[11:34] <yofel> NSA? ^^
[11:34]  * yofel does now sign all his mails by default
[11:35] <Riddell> do you think anyone who receives it verifies them?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: signing because incase my email gets compromised in the future and someone sends an email to my parents asking for money, they can check the sig ... and what yofel said
[11:35] <yofel> nope, but if someone wants to do it they *can* do it now
[11:35] <shadeslayer> ^^
[11:39] <shadeslayer> also gives you deniability
[11:39] <shadeslayer> didn't recieved a signed email from me? not mine
[11:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. I just sent you an encrypted testmail. Haven't tried this for a while myself ^^
[11:40] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[11:40] <shadeslayer> waiting for kmail to update
[11:40] <shadeslayer> it's so slowwwww
[11:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: ++
[11:42] <smartboyhw> Heh, this job has quite few requirements that even I can apply (LOL): https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=663
[11:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: done
[11:43] <yofel> yay, got it
[11:43] <shadeslayer> decryption works?
[11:43] <yofel> yep
[11:43] <shadeslayer> awesome
[11:44] <shadeslayer> also, I saw your credentials in Bilbao
[11:44] <shadeslayer> so I'm going to sign your key
[11:45] <yofel> you did?
[11:45] <yofel> oh right
[11:45] <yofel> thanks :)
[11:45] <shadeslayer> yep :P
[12:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: I've received an email from someone interested in setting up a recurring monthly donation; do we have anything to do that? Can I forward them do you?
[12:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: um, I've no idea if paypal can do that but yeah forward it to me
[12:13] <jussi> Im pretty sure paypal can be set up to do that
[12:21] <tester56> hi!, does anyone know in which channel I could get help with apparmor ?
[12:22] <Riddell> now there's something I don't know anything about
[12:22] <Riddell> #ubuntu-security I'd guess
[12:24] <tester56> thanks, I 'll try it
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, congrats:)
[12:34] <tester56> does not seem quite active
[12:34] <tester56> (ubuntu-security)
[12:35] <smartboyhw> tester56, maybe because the main members of the Ubuntu Security team hasn't woken up yet?
[12:35] <tester56> has anybody here experience with apparmor profiles?
[12:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: on what?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, on having something you don't know about (apparmor)
[12:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh I'm sure there's plenty of those
[12:44] <jussi> UGH
[12:45] <smartboyhw> jussi, ?
[12:45] <jussi> my fonts look like WINDOWS FONTS!!!!!!
[12:46] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't touch your computer
[12:46] <jussi> I rebooted and now I have thes horrible fonts
[12:46] <shadeslayer> maybe even burn it
[12:46] <shadeslayer> It's a work hazard :P
[12:46] <smartboyhw> jussi, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[12:46] <jussi> my eyes, my eyes
[12:46] <jussi> :/
[12:46] <jussi> shadeslayer: what did you change?
[12:48] <jussi> seriously, anyone know what mightve gone wrong and how to fixor it ?
[12:49] <smartboyhw> jussi, what did you update?
[12:50] <jussi> mrgh, no idea, dont remember? its been ages since I rebooted
[12:50] <smartboyhw> jussi, :O
[12:51] <jussi> smartboyhw: I only really reboot for kernel updates, otherwise, sleep
[12:51]  * smartboyhw thinks that is NOT advisable:P
[12:53] <jussi> smartboyhw: why?
[12:53] <smartboyhw> jussi, sleep might easily cause your computer to break.
[12:54] <jussi> smartboyhw: mhm?
[12:54] <smartboyhw> And when some packages REALLY require reboots and you don't, it's not going well....
[12:55] <yofel> almost none do that though.  :D
[13:14] <jussi> http://goingsoloadventure.blogspot.ca/2012/12/so-whats-next-for-me-in-2013.html
[13:16] <Riddell> that's pure Baltic!
[13:17] <Riddell> jussi: you know Baltic is Scots slang for so cold you can't do anything?  I think that suggests I might not be able to do it
[13:20] <smartboyhw> !project-neon
[13:20] <smartboyhw> MEH
[13:20] <smartboyhw> (Or rather, BAH! HUMBUG_
[13:20] <yofel> !neon
[13:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[13:21] <smartboyhw> ubottu: !project-neon is !neon
[13:22] <yofel> note that kf5 is undocumented
[13:25] <smartboyhw> yofel, we should fix the kde-workspace build error in neon before talking about kf5:P
[13:26] <yofel> uh, everytime I look at it, it failed with a code error
[13:26] <yofel> a different one each time
[13:26] <yofel> not our fault
[13:28] <Riddell> kinae in the nature of the project
[13:28] <Riddell> kindae in the nature of the project
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Hmm, it's rather quiet these days..
[13:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel when are you going to write the reply to my mail? (I know shadeslayer will reply today)
[13:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: today :)
[13:34] <smartboyhw> OK, so all of you marks a Thursday as a "reply mail day":P
[13:35] <yofel> smartboyhw: sorry, I'm drowning in work a bit and am not in the mood to write up that to-read list right now, I'll try to do it over the weekend
[13:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh:( No worries, at least Riddell and shadeslayer will reply today:P
[14:48]  * shadeslayer has been doing paperwork all day
[14:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, paperwork?:O
[14:50] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: for a UK visa
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ah
[14:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: a little confusing.. since you want to go to spain
[14:50]  * smartboyhw guesses that shadeslayer won't have time to reply the mail then:(
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure, but I also want to visit the UK since I have relatives/friends there
[14:51] <shadeslayer> and it'll be cheaper than ever to do that \o/
[14:51]  * smartboyhw does NOT need a visa to UK or to Spain
[14:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why?
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how come?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, because I have a UK passport:P
[14:51] <shadeslayer> o_o
[14:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does a schengen visa not let you into the UK then?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, AFAICT I still need to apply for a UK Visa
[14:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/do-you-need-a-visa/
[14:52] <Riddell> smelly old UK
[14:52] <shadeslayer> Visit / India / Spain
[14:53] <shadeslayer> "If you are coming to the UK for a short stay as a visitor, you must obtain a visa before you travel here."
[14:53] <shadeslayer> If UK was part of schengen territory, I'd be able to travel
[15:08] <Riddell> how's this? http://docs.kubuntu.co.uk
[15:08] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion amarok 2.8.0
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it's ready?
[15:08]  * smartboyhw furiously packags
[15:09] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1212722
[15:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: upstream seems a little unsure but it's at http://download.kde.org/stable/amarok/2.8.0/src/
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, unsure?
[15:09]  * smartboyhw doesn't want to touch it then
[15:09] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/p08dd92fc/
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Oh, it's ready:P
[15:25] <Riddell> 16:24 < markey> Riddell: alright, it's released :)
[15:25] <markey> ;)
[15:25] <Riddell> markey: smartboyhw is on the case!
[15:25] <markey> excellent!
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: got a plan for packaging?
[15:27] <markey> rdieter: Amarok 2.8.0 is tagged and ready for your sweet packaging love :)
[15:27] <rdieter> markey: hot, thanks
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, actually, I think I have no time now, I'll do it tomorrow (or you can assign it to somebody else)
[15:32] <smartboyhw> I will take it anyways
[15:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: tomorrow is good
[15:32] <Riddell> woo an Andrea B just donated £85, our highest yet
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, markey um, is the opengl problem on armhf fixed?
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, NEW reviews? :O
[15:44] <smartboyhw> are u sure?
[15:44] <Riddell> a good way to find out the sort of problems people make
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the question is: HOWTO?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Since I'm not a dev or something..
[15:46] <Riddell> can you see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+queue ?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, of course
[15:46] <Riddell> then download from there, same as I do
[15:46] <smartboyhw> But how do I TELL people of the problems?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> (if I found it before you guys do)
[15:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: e-mail?
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK, to the uploader?
[15:47] <Riddell> if you're sure of it yes
[15:47] <Riddell> if unsure check with me or another archive admin
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm, I can't get some of the packages
[15:48] <Riddell> some?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> For instance, code-of-conduct-signing-assitant
[15:48] <smartboyhw> The .orig.tar.gz failed (404)
[15:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw: works for me with wget   wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/138719070/code-of-conduct-signing-assistant_0.3.orig.tar.gz
[15:49] <Riddell> pst, try qjoypad , that's my package :)
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ha!?!?
[15:49] <Riddell> to keep the krita devs happy
[15:50] <Riddell> best use for a playstation joypad I've seen
[15:51]  * smartboyhw thought Riddell will add -dev and -dbg packages;)
[15:51] <Riddell> to qjoypad?  it's an application not a library so no -dev packages
[15:52] <Riddell> and I don't usually bother with -dbg, -dbgsym is there automatically
[15:52] <Riddell> although that's a bit confusing to users
[15:53]  * Riddell out
[15:54]  * smartboyhw doesn't see any problems with Riddell's package, sorry;P
[16:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yay, I'll approve it :)
[16:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will read through those soon enough:)
[16:43] <tester56> Riddel: My apparmor problem was not solveable because the possibilities kde offers
[16:43] <tester56> *of
[19:33] <juancarlos> hello, we got any Libre stand-alone Mobile Browser emulator for x86_64 Linux ?, like Mozilla Fennec was, or like Opera Mobile, not somethig that got tiny window, but actually emulate the device
[19:35] <juancarlos> :(
[19:42] <juancarlos> time to time we lose stuff, first qt-multimedia, then the Mobile Browser emulator  :(
[22:13] <Noskcaj> Riddell, Is it ok if i merge pbuilder?


[22:42] <wcchandler> are there any linux user groups in colorado?  I'm from NC and might be looking to relocate in the next year or so and want to get a feel for the industry out there


[08:30] <popey> dholbach: hey, how was the weekend? :)
[08:31] <dholbach> hey popey
[08:31] <dholbach> it was fantastic - how was yours? :)
[08:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:38] <popey> super
[08:39] <popey> and probably more relaxed :)
[11:40] <davidcalle> Hello o/
[11:40] <davidcalle> dholbach: was it fun? :)
[12:19] <dholbach> davidcalle, very much so :)
[12:20] <dholbach> and we were lucky with the weather - it only once rained for some time :)
[12:24] <popey> ooh, a new contest. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/01/still-and-rigid-or-adaptable-tell-us-about-your-app/
[12:40] <davidcalle> dholbach: nice :)
[12:47] <davidcalle> dholbach: thanks for merging everything into the playpen this morning, until yesterday ci was down :)
[12:48] <dholbach> yep
[12:48] <dholbach> I reran the tests and it looked good to me
[14:57] <jose> g'morning, everyone!
[16:04] <czajkowski> folks may find this useful https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/clvtvn4tpan6b1jbeuh7g44ponk?hl=en
[16:05] <czajkowski> it's not at one specific group but many of us use social media to promote our works
[16:11] <belkinsa> Speaking about Discourse, any stats updates on closing it?
[16:11]  * belkinsa heard Discourse here
[16:29] <popey> belkinsa: there have been no new threads about it that I recall.
[19:23]  * svij wonders why his spamfilter eats all emails from jose
[19:24] <jose> oh noes! I hope my emails don't go to spam for our sponsors :(
[19:25] <svij> I hope too
[20:03] <jose> does anyone have a contact over at Intel?


[08:36]  * alimj looks at the topic, wonders if Raspberry Pi 2 is ARMv7?
[08:36] <alimj> Anyone using this? http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php
[08:36] <ikonia> it is
[08:38] <alimj> Looking for a simple SBC for light GUI bases apps. e.g. Web browser with few open tabs
[08:39] <alimj> less than $100
[08:39] <alimj> XFCE desktop