[00:29] <Crabby> So I just installed 14.10 and I have 2 AMD GPUs; HD 7850 & 5450. I'm installing the driver from AMD's site. Should I install the Ubuntu driver or the Linux driver?
[00:30] <Crabby> I'd assume Ubuntu
[01:10] <bazhang> for mining?
[01:23] <Crabby> No, just for a lot of monitors.
[01:59] <bazhang> the ubuntu ones then
[18:12] <mall> Hello, I have, for some reasons, 2 different file managers in  Trusty; one would be thunar which appears if I hit Super+F or open thunar on the menu, and the other one which appears for example when I open download folder from within Firefox, and that seems to be a themed Thunar, possibly an ElementaryOS -style themed thunar. See it here: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=7adf4da
[18:14] <mall> I am not sure how/when did I install such Thunar theme, but I like it and would like it to affect the whole system. Or at least that the whole system has the same Thunar theme, and not one here, one there... help? thank you
[18:16] <xangua> That's nautilus
[18:18] <mall> hello xangua, thank you, that's helpful... but does Xubuntu come with both Nautilus and Thunar or did I install this at some point?
[18:19] <xangua> It doesn't come with, and neither installed on it's own
[18:19] <mall> I see, so I must have installed it
[18:20] <drc> mall: Probably as a dependency of something else.
[18:20] <mall> I see
[18:20] <mall> is it possible to see what would be dependant of Nautilus ?
[18:23] <mall> I do like Nautilus more than Thunar actually... xangua, drc, which file manager you use on xubuntu? thank you
[18:23] <xangua> I use the default,I mostly use unity
[18:24] <xangua> I use face on older machines
[18:24] <xangua> Xfce
[18:24] <drc> mall:  I'm lazy, it take something really poor for me to not use the default, i.e., Thunar.
[18:26] <mall> jeje
[18:26] <drc> mall: I really don't check dependencies much, but I'd start here  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man8/apt-rdepends.8.html
[18:26] <mall> thank you
[18:26] <drc> It's old (hardy) but it's a start
[20:17] <jer_> hi all !
[20:22] <knome> hello
[21:29] <reggie-man> I can't install libgmp3c2
[21:39] <Meerkat> reggie-man, there is a package called libgmp10 - Is this what you need? http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libgmp10
[21:41] <reggie-man> No, Meerkat. I tried to install PeaZip and Ubuntu Software Center said "Dependency is not satisfied: libgmp3c2"
[21:48] <Meerkat> reggie-man, which version of Xubuntu?
[21:49] <reggie-man> Meerkat: 14.04
[21:50] <drc> Try here http://www.tuxarena.com/2014/10/peazip-5-5-overview-ubuntu-installation/ and see if that helps.
[21:52] <Meerkat> oh wow. I totally misread that as you are trying to install the software center. :)
[21:55] <reggie-man> drc: same dependency problem.
[21:56] <drc> reggie-man: to ask the obvious:  why can't you install "libgmp3c2"?  You haven't told us anything.
[21:58] <reggie-man> When I try to install it I'm told "Package libgmp3c2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" "E: Package 'libgmp3c2' has no installation candidate"
[21:58] <reggie-man> drc: ^
[21:58] <drc> If it's not available, what do you expect anyone here can do to help you?
[21:59] <Meerkat> reggie-man, where did you download peazip from?
[22:00] <drc> Other than to tell you to try to get 1) binaries or 2) source from somewhere and install it.
[22:05] <reggie-man> As far as I'm aware, it should be available. http://packages.ubuntu.com/libgmp3c I've installed PeaZip on a different Ubuntu flavor before. Meerkat: http://peazip.sourceforge.net/peazip-linux.html I got the GTK2 DEB package.
[23:00] <rosaecaeruleae> there is a log in screen in which you type your password. Currently mine doesnt have a background. I want to change that. how do I do that? plus, when my machine loads it only displays a blank screen, can I change that?


[14:16] <steffen_b> having trouble to understand instance handling
[15:28] <SpamapS> steffen_b: its fairly simple if you consider that all jobs start with an instance value of ""
[15:29] <SpamapS> steffen_b: the instance keyword just expands that a bit so that there can be multiple instances of a job if need be, by introducing variables
[15:29] <steffen_b> yes - but i can stop a single instance by "stop on " condition ?
[15:30] <SpamapS> steffen_b: all instances will stop based on the stop on, though you can use the same variables in the stop on as you do in instance
[15:30] <SpamapS> steffen_b: so if you have 'instance $FOO' and 'stop on stopping other-job FOO=$FOO' that works
[15:31] <steffen_b> yes - guess what i tried was just bad idea
[15:31] <steffen_b> i wanted to track 2 events and making instance for each
[15:31] <steffen_b> if both happened (state saved in instance)
[15:31] <SpamapS> steffen_b: for what purpose?
[15:32] <steffen_b> i can start something else
[15:32] <SpamapS> so like 'start on started something-state EVENT=foo and started something-state EVENT=bar' ?
[15:33] <steffen_b> logically yes
[15:33] <steffen_b> except upstart doesnt work like that
[15:33] <SpamapS> well, it might, I think we're far too abstract.
[15:33] <SpamapS> can you be more concrete?
[15:34] <steffen_b> i have Xorg (job called openbox) and i have vdr (job called vdr)
[15:35] <steffen_b> each emits an upstart event openbox-started vdr-started once really completed
[15:35] <SpamapS> you know upstart does that for you
[15:35] <SpamapS> right?
[15:35] <steffen_b> maybe on paper
[15:35] <SpamapS> no it does it, in code. :)
[15:35] <steffen_b> not really believe me
[15:36] <SpamapS> Somehow we've managed to get upstart to do that to boot Ubuntu :)
[15:36] <SpamapS> now, perhaps you're not familiar with some of the idiosyncratic ways to control the timing of that event emission
[15:36] <steffen_b> a daemon forking doesnt mean its ready to connect
[15:36] <SpamapS> *agreed 100%*
[15:36] <SpamapS> thats why we have post-start
[15:37] <SpamapS> 'started' is not emitted until post-start exits
[15:37] <steffen_b> i only know from inside the daemon, once completed
[15:37] <steffen_b> now tell me how i get this outside
[15:37] <steffen_b> and use it in post start
[15:38] <SpamapS> touch a file
[15:38] <SpamapS> while ! [ -f $file ] ; do ...
[15:38] <steffen_b> and loop sleep 1 ?
[15:38] <SpamapS> or open a socket
[15:38] <SpamapS> or a fifo..
[15:38] <SpamapS> lots of ways to do it
[15:39] <steffen_b> except the famous while ... sleep ... there is still no way
[15:39] <SpamapS> also you can use 'expect stop'
[15:39] <SpamapS> and send yourself SIGSTOP
[15:39] <SpamapS> upstart will send you SIGCONT and the emit started
[15:40] <steffen_b> in post-start ?
[15:41] <SpamapS> no you don't need a post-start if you use expect stop
[15:42] <SpamapS> I don't know of any jobs that use that method right now btw
[15:43] <SpamapS> looping or using a fifo in post-start is the only method I've seen really
[15:43] <steffen_b> at the moment i have start on started vdr and in the client i loop until socket is availble
[15:44] <steffen_b> which is painfull since this adds up to plenty of loops waiting and still keep them sort of syncronized in different cases
[15:44] <SpamapS> is that a local socket?
[15:44] <SpamapS> because, if its ever intended to be over a network, you should probably just keep that strategy.. you can't coordinate events over the network ;)
[15:45] <SpamapS> at least, not w/ upstart :p
[15:45] <steffen_b> local network, local fd, dbus ...
[15:45] <steffen_b> x
[15:45] <steffen_b> sound
[15:49] <SpamapS> steffen_b: yeah, post-start seems like the simplest way forward, but if you want to build in upstart support, use the 'expect stop' method described in 'man 5 init
[15:52] <steffen_b> might be worth a try - allthough we just added something to emit an event from daemon
[15:53] <steffen_b> sounds like a way to keep it on one place
[16:01] <SpamapS> steffen_b: emitting an event is fine too, its actually pretty cool. :)
[16:02] <SpamapS> steffen_b: also, I believe there is a new initiative to track exits, not just forks, so that daemons that do the right thing and keep the parent alive until the service is ready, will work fine
[16:09] <steffen_b> well there is also some fight with emitting an event as well
[16:09] <steffen_b> daemon is running as user - upstart event is send from user over dbus
[16:10] <steffen_b> since inclusion of user jobs this means you can not control system jobs from user (except you switch that off i guess)
[16:11] <steffen_b> so migrating depending jobs to be user jobs
[16:13] <steffen_b> where this user jobs are jobs of a system user - doesnt really sound like something which should be handed to the user
[16:13] <steffen_b> guess a step back and think again
[16:13] <SpamapS> steffen_b: sounds like another reason to think about expect stop
[16:13] <steffen_b> yes
[16:13] <SpamapS> steffen_b: does your daemon keep its parent alive until it is ready?
[16:14] <steffen_b> it never forks i think
[16:14] <steffen_b> i have no expect currently and it works :)
[16:15] <steffen_b> its tracing the right thing
[16:20] <steffen_b> to know when its ready we using a plugin to the daemon which signals us from the first loop after initializing
[16:21] <steffen_b> so vdr and upstart dont like each other
[16:21] <SpamapS> ah ok
[16:21] <SpamapS> I do kind of wish we could have something like 'expect socket /var/run/foo.sock'
[16:22] <steffen_b> the systemd kind of handling it
[16:22] <steffen_b> yes
[16:22] <steffen_b> noch socket activation but buffering
[16:23] <steffen_b> noch -> not
[16:23] <steffen_b> that would simply the thing i try by 50%
[16:24] <SpamapS> I don't like socket activatino
[16:24] <SpamapS> it simplifies the thinking, but not necessarily the implementation
[16:26] <steffen_b> there are few things which are cool in theory - but in reality you need to workaround more things than you like
[16:27] <steffen_b> expect /dev/foo
[16:27] <steffen_b> expect tcp://localhost:37890
[16:27] <steffen_b> expect /tmp/foo
[16:27] <steffen_b> would for sure make things simpler
[16:28] <steffen_b> if that expect is state-like
[16:29] <SpamapS> it doesn't need to be state based
[16:30] <SpamapS> just treat the appearance of a file/socket/etc. as an event
[16:30] <SpamapS> and then we can use a job to track its state
[16:34] <steffen_b> states are more natural
[16:36] <SpamapS> are they?
[16:36] <steffen_b> 100%
[16:37] <SpamapS> Also, upstart *is* state based
[16:37] <JanC> states & events need each other, so one isn't natural without the other
[16:38] <SpamapS> you can track states w/ jobs
[16:38] <steffen_b> but you need inictl status <jobname> | grep -q "^jobname.*running"
[16:39] <steffen_b> in an upstart job
[16:39] <steffen_b> where are the states at this point ?
[16:45] <steffen_b> anyway  - this is not  blaming or being negative - just sharing thougts hope you dont get it wrong :)
[16:45] <SpamapS> steffen_b: that *is* the state :)
[16:46] <steffen_b> :D
[16:46] <SpamapS> if you look on a recent ubuntu system, you'll see the workaround for not having them built in.. /etc/init/wait-for-state.conf
[16:46] <SpamapS> start wait-for-state WAITER=me WAIT_FOR=somejob
[16:46] <SpamapS> that lets you use jobs like condition variables basically
[16:47] <steffen_b> wasn't that the workaround for "starting ... or starting ..." second one did not wait anymore ?
[16:48] <steffen_b> until job is started
[16:50] <SpamapS> yeah, well, thats basically the same problem
[16:54] <JanC> maybe what we really need is an init daemon that can be configured with low-level state/event instructions, and then write compilers that turn all sort of job/unit/initscripts/... in config for it  ;)


[02:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:56] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[14:14] <hggdh> good morning all
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> hey hggdh o/ wb
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> everything under control hggdh
[14:15] <hggdh> all good, still in good health :-)
[14:16] <hggdh> and it is finally getting colder here. OTOH, it is also raining :-(
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> not a summer person hggdh ?
[14:17] <TJ-> Anyone seen reports of problems generally with Firefox 93 and uploads of (JPG) photos to ebay (in my case for opening a returns issue) resulting in totally corrupted images being shown? Not sure how better to describe it! Tried Safe Mode, clearing cache, etc., and thinking now there's something broken in the HTTP POST in the background.
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> hmm dont think ive heared that1 yet TJ-
[14:18] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: no, not a summer person, at least not for summers in the US south
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> i see
[14:19] <hggdh> TJ-: did you try to upload the photo elsewhere to check?
[14:19] <TJ-> trying to figure out how to debug it. I put the same file on my server and it looks OK
[14:20] <TJ-> I processed it with GIMP in case there was something weird in the original, coding wise, too. No difference. PC has been restarted a few times since the original upload and still does the same thing.
[14:20] <hggdh> does Chrome/Chromium/Edge work?
[14:21] <hggdh> (yes, Edge is now GA on Linux)
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> how does that pic corrupt exactly TJ-
[14:22] <TJ-> I'm uploading screenshots now, give me a mo
[14:24] <TJ-> see https://iam.tj/ebay_photo/
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> wow
[14:26] <TJ-> I've added another showing it when it's full size
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: https://githubmemory.com/repo/nodeca/image-blob-reduce/issues/28
[14:28] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: wow! nice find!
[14:28] <TJ-> Trying that now!
[14:30] <TJ-> That was it! had to disable Privacy > Fingerprinting globally and then enable it in the address bar for ebay
[14:30] <TJ-> Thanks! I've wasted most of the morning on this
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> how come that fingerprint scrambles up pics?
[14:33] <TJ-> apparently it is something to do with access to the Canvas element, but I don't see how that should affect a file upload selection - maybe the javascript first puts the image in a local off-screen canvas element to send it
[14:33] <TJ-> I'm glad I asked here now - didn't think this would be an easy-to-find solution
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> i got lucky finding the same distortion pic
[14:34] <TJ-> all for a couple of USB-C female > USB 3.0 A male that are actually USB 2.0 male - someone is doing a good business with fakes there - when you you ever want to have USB-C to USB 2.0 !
[14:34] <hggdh> well, this is not quite an easy-to-find thing... fortunately lotuspsychje decided to search based on the pic
[14:35] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: yeah, I never thought to try a TinEye search
[14:35] <TJ-> I've just installed Kubuntu 21.10 so was thinking it was something in that
[14:36] <hggdh> oh yes, gotta try k on 21.10, perhaps I will go back to it and off Gnome
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah the distortion looks like something amd cards would do
[14:37] <TJ-> I'm very impressed with KDE - lets me configure everything I could want to
[14:37] <TJ-> I wasn't sure if the photo had uploaded fine but FF was rendering my end incorrectly :)
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> : )
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: in return you can give me a few ideas about my wayland screen glitches on 22.04 :p bug #1948778
[14:50] <TJ-> I've not used a wayland compositor so far
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:53] <TJ-> Daniel's comment about the compositor failing to set a frame buffer sounds most plausible
[14:55] <TJ-> 1st thing I'd do is read the kernel boot-up log in case there are initial problems configuring hardware that lead to this later
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx TJ-
[17:04] <kramer> I have been using Ubuntu (and Debian) for many years, have always used Gnome desktop -- I am thinking of looking at a KDE distro, Kubuntu seems to shine well, but I can't get over the "omg it's not real Ubuntu" setback in my head.  Any input?
[17:10] <daftykins> what exactly do you mean by 'not real' ? what constitutes a real distro to you?
[17:20] <TJ-> kramer: give it a go! You'll be rewarded
[17:20] <TJ-> Ubuntu is not just Ubuntu Desktop (Gnome)
[17:25] <kramer> daftykins: mostly concerned with compatibility with GTK/windowing, etc.
[17:27] <daftykins> sounds like you have some testing to do
[17:29] <kramer> More or less :)
[17:31] <daftykins> i was surprised when i gave Kubuntu a go, the preinstalled software set has everything to do the kind of work i do and things mostly work
[17:35] <kramer> My 'Swiss army' Ubuntu install that does everything I need for work includes LibreOffice, Dia, Gimp, Xournal -- looks like everything should work well enough.
[17:35] <TJ-> i'm finding 21.10 very reactive and snappy ... without snap installed :)
[17:35] <kramer> Or, there is nothing wrong with Ubuntu either 🤷
[17:35] <TJ-> (Kubuntu that is)
[17:36] <kramer> I'm not sure if I want to grab 20.04 or just wait until next year; anymore these decisions take so long, 22.04 might be out before I get around to actually migrating


[08:37] <soren> I think I've fixed the "multiple drives in vmware" issue
[08:48] <fabbione> ?
[09:32] <soren> fabbione: Basically, with the gutsy kernels, you could only have one disk per scsi channel under vmware.
[09:32] <fabbione> yes?
[09:32] <soren> I found a workaround and later found that someone did it before me :)
[09:32] <soren> Now we just need to get it applied.
[09:32] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/140761
[09:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140761 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Ubuntu 7.10 Alpha Gust OS does not recognize a lun with non zero target id on Vmware ESX Server" [Undecided,Triaged]
[09:33] <soren> I don't have git access, though.
[09:35] <soren> fabbione: So yay \o/ I fixed my first kernel bug :)
[09:37] <soren> I think I've earned a cup of coffee.
[01:23] <Nafallo> kylem: why doesn't /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/ have changelog.Debian.gz?
[01:25] <Nafallo> hmm, might be wrong chan actually :-P
[03:28] <soren> Could someone apply the fix outlined in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/140761 ?
[03:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140761 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Ubuntu 7.10 Alpha Gust OS does not recognize a lun with non zero target id on Vmware ESX Server" [Undecided,Triaged]
[03:30] <rtg> soren: seems simple enough. Do you have the wherewithal to test the fix?
[03:30] <soren> wherewithal?
[03:30] <soren> Is that a type of fish?
[03:31] <rtg> Do you have  or know someone with an LSI MPT adapter that can test the fix?
[03:31] <soren> To test the patch, create a vm in vmware server (as found in the feisty commercial repository), create more than one hard drive. Boot and see that instead of just the one disk, you now have two. Raise both hands in the air, and shout "yeah!".
[03:32] <soren> That's what I did.
[03:32] <soren> YMMV.
[03:33] <rtg> soren: I don't think you get it :) I want _you_ to verify the fix.
[03:33] <soren> I did already.
[03:33] <soren> I wrote a patch, tested it, shouted "hell yeah", and then found out that someone else had beaten me to it.
[03:33] <rtg> It was not clear from the LP report that you had actually observed the corrected result.
[03:34] <soren> Ah, sorry.
[03:34] <rtg> soren: I'll import the path anf make an SOB on it.
[03:34] <rtg> s/path/patch/
[03:34] <rtg> fuck.
[03:34] <rtg> I'll import the patch and make you an SOB on it.
[03:35] <soren> Alright. The module-init-tools patch is needed as well.
[03:35] <soren> (removing the mpt_channel_mapping stuff)
[03:35] <rtg> Thats a package external to the kernel?
[03:36] <soren> Yes, but managed by the kernel-team, I thought?
[03:36] <rtg> I've never messed with it.
[03:36] <soren> If it's not kept in git, I can do that part for you.
[03:37] <rtg> Its not. You should make the change dependent on > 2.6.22-13.40
[03:38] <rtg> I think the next kernel version will be 2.6.22-13.41
[03:38] <rtg> The next kernel upload ought to be early this week.
[03:38] <soren> Ok. I've got another patch in the works for it.
[03:39] <soren> Completely different issue.
[03:41] <soren> rtg: Hm, module-init-tools doesn't currently depend on a specific kernel version.
[03:41] <mjg59> Yes. It shouldn't.
[03:42] <mjg59> There's no requirement to use packaged kernels
[03:42] <soren> Do we usually not worry about options in module-init-tools are in sync with kernel images?
[03:42] <soren> mjg59: Excellent point.
[03:42] <soren> So just do the change and assume the best?
[03:42] <mjg59> Yes
[03:42] <soren> Just to be sure: Is it kept in any kind of vcs?
[03:43] <mjg59> If apt-get source doesn't say so, then no :)
[03:43] <soren> Cool.
[03:43] <soren> Thanks.
[03:43] <rtg> soren: I'm not surprised, but with a fix like the MPT fusion one it might have to. What is the downside of having the kernel fixed without the  module-init-tools package update?
[03:43] <soren> I'll hold back the upload until the new kernel is released, though.
[03:43] <soren> rtg: None.
[03:44] <soren> rtg: The other way around is troublesome, though.
[03:44] <soren> If the m-i-t change is done before the kernel one, no disks at all will be detected in vmware.
[03:44] <rtg> soren: right, hence the bug report.
[03:44] <soren> Yes, the old one.
[03:45] <soren>  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/112860
[03:46] <soren> Currently, only the first disk is detected. This is because mpt_channel_mapping causes devices_per_bus=1.
[03:46] <soren> Without mpt_channel_mapping, devices_per_bus ends up being 0.
[03:46] <soren> I.e. teh suxor.
[03:47] <rtg> soren: ok, gimme a bit. I have several things on my list for this morning already.
[03:47] <soren> Sure.
[03:47] <soren> If it just gets in with the next kernel update, I'm perfectly happy. I'm in no more rush than that.
[03:47] <rtg> soren: can do.
[03:48] <soren> I'll do the m-i-t upload when that kernel image hits the archive.
[04:46] <zul> rtg: i probably have one more xen patch to come this week
[04:47] <rtg> zul: Are you looking into Alexander Orlov's complaints about missing modules? I'm just starting to review your pull requests.
[04:47] <zul> rtg: yeah ok 2 patches this week ;)
[04:48] <rtg> zul: git 'er done before Thursday.
[04:48] <zul> rtg: i will
[04:54] <soren> zul: What's the hold up on bug 125512 ?
[04:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125512 in linux-source-2.6.22 "xt_NOTRACK module unavailable" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125512
[04:54] <zul> keep slipping from my todo list can you ask rtg ^^^^
[04:55] <soren> rtg: Could you kindly do the magic?
[04:56] <rtg> soren: I though i had all of the netfilters enabled.
[04:56] <rtg> soren: Its on my todo list.
[04:56] <soren> rtg: Not from what I can tell from gitweb.
[04:56] <soren> rtg: Rock. Thanks!
[04:57] <zul> rtg: for the hdaps one i dont know if its going to change the abi or not
[04:57] <rtg> zul: well, there is one way to find out :)
[04:58] <zul> oh yes
[05:56] <pinskian> hmm how does one represent a digital signature in a  single newline-free text string?
[05:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]
[05:58] <DanaG> Hmm, I wish some developer would comment on that bug.
[06:59] <Kano> hi
[06:59] <Kano> who is improving the hda-intel-driver?
[06:59] <Kano> for
[06:59] <Kano> 00:10.1 0403: 10de:026c (rev a2)
[06:59] <Kano>         Subsystem: 1734:10d4
[07:00] <Kano> you would need model=3stack-dig
[07:16] <rtg> Kano: is there a launchpad report?
[07:17] <Kano> not yet, maybe i get a patch and will do then
[07:17] <rtg> Kano: please do.
[07:19] <bdmurray> I've got this bug report where somebody needs to use all_generic_ide to boot.  Is just the PCI ID of the IDE controller important?
[07:20] <rtg> I dunno. Perhaps mjg59 or kylem can comment.
[07:21] <mjg59> bdmurray: Yeah, ideally with a dmesg
[07:22] <bdmurray> Okay, could the bug use any special handling or tagging?
[07:24] <mjg59> bdmurray: Was there a bug filed with your uvcvideo issues?
[07:24] <mjg59> I think I've got a fix, but it would be nice to tag it with a bug number
[07:24] <bdmurray> mjg59: No, I thought I mailed the list about that.  I'll submit one then.
[07:29] <mjg59> Ta
[07:43] <rtg> mjg59: can you give me your opinion on bug #92553 ? I'm not a packaging wizard.
[07:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92553 in linux-meta "No kernel debug image meta packages" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92553
[07:44] <bdmurray> Okay, it is bug 147757 - let me know if you need more info
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147757 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "uvcvideo module prevents system from suspending or hibernating" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147757
[07:45] <mjg59> Looks sane
[07:45] <rtg> mjg59: 92553 looks sane, or 127757 ?
[07:46] <mjg59> 92553
[08:19] <mjg59> rtg: ? I included a bug number for the Thinkpad one in my original followup
[08:21] <Kano> mjg59: would you like to update ndiswrapper in the lum package?
[08:21] <mjg59> I wouldn't, no
[08:21] <mjg59> You might be able to find someone who's paid to do this who would :)
[08:21] <rtg> mjg59: I did not see it. Can you refresh my memory as I've already cleaned out the email.
[08:22] <rtg> Kano: I started looking at ndiswrapper last Friday.
[08:22] <mjg59> 140609
[08:22] <rtg> mjg59: Thanks
[08:22] <Kano> rtg: is it 1.48?
[08:23] <Kano> dont know what ntfs-3g are you using, i am sure not the latest one... but thats not in the kernel
[08:23] <rtg> Kano: I was looking at 1.48 as well as 1.49rc1. I wanted to talk to BenC when he gets back about it.
[08:23] <Kano> best ask giri
[08:23] <mjg59> rtg: When's Ben away until?
[08:23] <Kano> in case of ndiswrapper
[08:24] <rtg> mjg59: I think he's gone part of today for a funeral.
[08:24] <mjg59> Ok
[08:24] <rtg> lunch break. brb
[08:25] <Kano> there are only a few things that i keep really uptodate: ndiswrapper + ntfs-3g
[08:25] <Kano> ntfs-3g i use daily
[08:25] <Kano> no problems for me with 1.913
[08:27] <maks_> woow caring about ndiscrap
[08:27] <Kano> you dont know how many kanotix users need that...
[08:28] <Kano> btw. i patched a new aufs with similar patches you used for the old
[08:28] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/thorhammer/updates/aufs/
[08:32] <maks_> urrgs you even feature ndiscrap donation links
[08:36] <Kano> i donated
[08:37] <Kano> to let giri buy 64 bit hardware
[08:53] <Kano> where is the ABI stored in the ubuntu-modules package? i want to lower it
[08:54] <Kano> just by the name?
[09:18] <Kano> hmm
[09:18] <Kano> why is union_fs.h now in the kernel?
[10:36] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic/source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22.hda-intel-fix.patch
[10:36] <Kano> that fix works
[10:37] <Kano> do i really need to write a bug report..
[10:39] <rtg> Kano: If you want it included in Gutsy l-u-m, then it must have an associated LP bug.
[10:40] <bdmurray> See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2007-September/001799.html for details
[10:43] <Kano> rtg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/147827
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147827 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "FUJITSU SIEMENS XTB70 snd-hda-intel fix" [Undecided,New]
[10:44] <Kano> btw. thats the name of the motherboard not the laptop itself
[11:17] <allee> Kano: or Bug 131133 ?
[11:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in dell "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131133
[11:18] <Kano> allee: the code used is in ubuntu-modules
[11:19] <Kano> the kernel itself has it disabled
[11:20] <Kano> i created the patch and the user with that problem reported that it worked
[11:20] <Kano> of course you can create similar patches
[11:20] <Kano> when you know the codec
[11:21] <Kano> modprobe -l|awk /snd-/|xargs rm -f
[11:21] <rtg> I'm just about positive its a Sigmatel codec.
[11:21] <Kano> that would be needed if you want to compile external alsa, that was not done
[11:22] <Kano> rtg: <I-LOVE-KANOTIX> Codec: Realtek ALC885
[11:22] <allee> Kano: You mean in the 131133?
[11:22] <Kano> i mean my bug
[11:23] <Kano> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 |grep Codec
[11:23] <Kano> but the 13... was wrongly tested
[11:23] <Kano> with that approach you get 2 drivers
[11:23] <Kano> on 2 positions
[11:24] <Kano> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[11:24] <Kano> thats the modules position
[11:24] <Kano> but when you just compile alsa externally without deleting you test crap
[11:27] <mjg59> If users are building their own modules, they're expected to be able to delete existing ones
[11:28] <Kano> when you read that bug report then you definitely see they don't know
[11:28] <Kano> [ 17.168000]  snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_add
[11:28] <Kano> that's exactly a problem caused by that...
[11:28] <mjg59> Yes. So don't do that.
[11:32] <allee> I'll add a note to this bug report.
[11:42] <allee> err, no, I don't add a note.  Me, as a I-don't-know-what-I-excactly-do, should better not give second hand tips


[03:50] <Unit193> Logan_: He could be, but haven't seen or heard anything in a month.
[21:15] <Rhonda> Laney: Anything more you need from me?


[00:24] <h00k> funkyHat: er.
[00:24] <funkyHat> Was just about to kick him, I'll see if he says anything else...
[00:29] <funkyHat> Are we being too nice?
[00:29] <h00k> I don't know :/
[00:30] <h00k> Sometimes it's hard to judge when it's okay to be nice, and when people need to go.
[00:30] <persia> There's no such thing as "too  nice".  Just be firm about the rules whilst being nice.  Nothing is more effective than the moral equivalent of a lemon meringue wrapped around a good solid mace.
[00:30] <genii> He seems to have quieted down now
[00:31] <h00k> it's true, he has
[00:31] <funkyHat> He did the last time I spoke to him too
[00:31] <h00k> which is good
[00:32] <funkyHat> What's the syntax for /at?
[00:32] <funkyHat> /at user time I guess
[01:48] <funkyHat> Finally got my ! o p s hilight to show up a different colour
[01:48] <Pici> yay
[01:49] <funkyHat> Was a problem with the theme I'm using
[02:17] <elky> You know, it really brings home how young kids in -ot are when they come in to whine about being grounded.
[02:23] <IdleOne> lol elky
[02:23]  * elky feels oooooold
[02:24] <IdleOne> at work today I had to ask a user to confirm his date of birth for me before I reset his password. GET THIS he was born in 1992!
[02:24] <IdleOne> I have pants older then that :/
[02:25]  * nhandler hides
[02:26]  * persia gives nhandler several extra years to save face
[02:42] <h00k> that is sad :(
[02:42] <IdleOne> h00k: that I have such old pants?
[02:43] <IdleOne> yes it is
[02:43] <h00k> IdleOne: well, that too.
[03:50] <tsimpson> just a quick note: on the BT, the ban logs highlight form should now accept regex input if you select the option
[03:51] <tsimpson> this should let you highlight multiple terms with '(term1|term2|etc)', so you can see the lines from all people involved
[03:52] <Pici> Will it color each term differently?
[03:52]  * Pici hides
[03:52] <Pici> but seriously, thanks! "_
[03:52] <Pici> er, :)
[03:52] <tsimpson> no, but it's something I'm thinking about doing :)
[03:53] <tsimpson> I'll need to work on my css/javascript skills
[03:54] <tsimpson> oh, and there's also a "Refresh" button in case you want to update the URL with the highlight term, as "Update" is disabled when you have JS on
[03:59] <h00k> Pici: go ahead...
[03:59] <h00k> as in, you barely beat him
[04:00]  * Pici leaves the operating to the professionals
[04:01]  * Pici is tired
[04:01] <h00k> *me
[04:01] <h00k> Pici: d'w
[04:29] <nhandler> tsimpson: Any chance of getting proper regex searching for the BT?
[04:45] <IdleOne> Catch you all in a few hours. I need sleep :/
[05:53] <h00k> is that enough to put a ban on bilalakhtar?
[05:54] <h00k> I missed it
[05:54] <h00k> in #ubuntu-offtopic, that is
[05:55] <h00k> eh, need speels. Peace.
[05:55] <h00k> sleeps, rather
[06:00] <tsimpson> nhandler: maybe, but I want to see if I can make the BT suck less speed wise first
[06:16] <ubot3> In ubot3, vivekraghuwanshi said: how it is possible
[09:21] <dholbach> good morning
[11:08] <tsimpson> something tells me it's going to be one of those days
[11:08] <jussi> tsimpson: +1
[11:10] <bazhang> cant get to the bantracker yet, was rocket16 unbanned?
[11:11] <tsimpson> bazhang: yes he was
[11:11] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks much
[11:12] <tsimpson> ubottu seems to have died, I'm restarting it
[11:19] <Tm_T> :-P
[11:29] <bazhang> arand, hi
[11:29] <arand> ubottu seems to be having some problems...
[11:29] <bazhang> yep
[11:29] <tsimpson> ya, I know
[11:29] <arand> Okay, just making sure it was known.
[12:46] <IdleOne> Morning
[13:06] <Pici> its RC day.
[13:06] <Pici> If you hadn't noticed yet ;)
[13:06] <bazhang> heh
[13:06] <Tm_T> RC cars?
[13:06] <bazhang> !isitout
[13:16] <ikonia> tsimpson: ping
[13:17] <tsimpson> ikonia: pong
[13:17] <ikonia> tsimpson: got 2 minutes for a quick chat about ubottu
[13:17] <tsimpson> sure :)
[13:18] <bazhang> sinistrad, how may we help you
[13:18] <sinistrad> Hi there, I was offering a suggestion
[13:18] <bazhang> sinistrad, the topic in +1 ?
[13:18] <sinistrad> Yes. So you already know.  cool
[13:19] <bazhang> yep. will be changed when it is released
[13:19] <ikonia> tsimpson: I'll pm you to not interupt the channel
[13:19] <tsimpson> ok
[13:19] <sinistrad> ok, just offering
[13:19] <bazhang> thanks
[13:19] <sinistrad> thanks all
[13:19] <jussi> ikonia: you could just ask in #ubuntu-bots-devel if it something all the bots team can see
[13:26] <ikonia> but of course
[14:21]  * genii sips
[15:04]  * h00k begins coffee
[15:05]  * IdleOne is on 2nd cup
[16:07] <Pici> IdleOne: BETA       say $-: Please join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[16:07] <IdleOne> :P
[16:08] <IdleOne> you and your irssi
[16:09] <IdleOne> Please join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[16:09] <IdleOne> there done
[16:10] <IdleOne> I didn't realize that auto-replace was case sensitive
[16:11] <IdleOne> that changes my entire universe
[16:14]  * genii sips and thinks about paradigm shifts
[16:14] <IdleOne> genii: you think about the oddest things
[16:15] <genii> IdleOne: My brain is wired strangely. Perhaps mutated by all the caffeine.
[16:15] <IdleOne> genii: I think it is more a question of knotted wiring
[16:15] <IdleOne> then again you may be right
[16:29]  * h00k hands genii another mug
[16:29] <genii> h00k: Now I have one for each hand! Thanks!
[16:30] <IdleOne> hehe
[16:30] <h00k> double-fisting, the only way to be a winner.
[16:30]  * IdleOne gets genii and coffee hat
[16:30] <IdleOne> s/and/a
[16:30] <IdleOne> you know the ones where you can put in a can or mug of coffee in this case with tubes to drink from
[16:31] <h00k> like a beer-hat, but for coffee
[16:31] <IdleOne> yes!
[16:31] <genii> Interesting
[16:31] <h00k> http://www.thesharkguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/beerhat-772303.jpg
[16:31] <h00k> http://euroross.blogspot.com/Beer%20Can%20Man%201.JPG
[16:31] <h00k> It could be done!
[16:31] <genii> And you can keep your temples warm in the winter
[16:32] <h00k> dual-action!
[17:03] <IdleOne> perhaps mentioning in the +1 topic to use torrent for RC download?
[17:04]  * IdleOne is torrenting amd64 and i386 btw
[17:04] <IdleOne> desktop versions
[17:10] <IdleOne> !pt
[17:10] <IdleOne> hmm
[17:12] <IdleOne> ok so how come my edit didn't take effect?
[17:14] <Pici> IdleOne: What does @whoami report?
[17:14] <IdleOne> @whoami
[17:14] <IdleOne> she knows me :)
[17:15] <Pici> uno momento
[17:15] <IdleOne> Pici: or should I have doen is <reply> ?
[17:15] <IdleOne> done*
[17:16] <Pici> IdleOne: Yes, but it should have told you that pt already means something else.
[17:16] <Pici> !ping
[17:16] <Pici> @login
[17:16] <IdleOne> @login
 pt is Por favor, use /join #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, /join #ubuntu-pt Obrigado.
 Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[17:16] <IdleOne> is what I got
[17:21] <Pici> @login
[17:23] <IdleOne> Pici: uno momento, veni i se fue
[18:40]  * persia vaguely grumbles about the movement to save electrons increasingly convincing folks to spell "oops" as "ops"
[20:26] <h00k> Yeah, pici, it's the same! >.<
[20:32] <Pici> augh
[20:34] <Pici> IdleOne: thanks ;)
[20:34] <IdleOne> for?
[20:34] <IdleOne> or was that sarcasm ?
[20:35] <Pici> IdleOne: Nope, just another voice about the ylmf thing
[20:35] <Pici> maybe he'll stop asking now.  I hate to have to kick over something like this.
[20:35] <IdleOne> ahh no problem
[20:35] <h00k> I missed the original question
[20:36] <IdleOne> we can link him to the forum but it is in chinese/japanese
[20:37] <Pici> Hes spanish.. somehow  because their support is not in his language means that we support it.
[20:38]  * Pici joins ##linux to watch
[20:38] <h00k> Good idea.
[20:38]  * genii sips and goes too
[20:38] <IdleOne> he will get torn up in there :/
[20:39] <Pici> I think my bad habits are rubbing off on y'all
[20:39] <h00k> Pici: you're my hero!
[20:39] <h00k> In my defense, it is another channel I've been meaning to idle in.
[20:40] <Pici> Its scary
[20:40] <IdleOne> I'm going to get I <3 Pici tattooed on me
[20:40] <Pici> yikes
[20:40] <IdleOne> hahaha
[20:41] <IdleOne> I need to cannibalize a DVD burner from that box sitting in the corner
[20:41] <genii> Weird. that ylmf homepage has an english section, however the link "Forum" from there goes to the chinese one
[20:42] <h00k> IdleOne: if you have a spare laser from one, lemme know
[20:42] <IdleOne> I wish I did
[20:43] <h00k> I want to make a sweet LAZOR
[20:43] <Pici> pew pew
[20:43] <IdleOne> less QQ
[20:43] <IdleOne> need the old man to leave the room so i can rip that box open lol
[20:43] <h00k> just DOEET
[20:44] <IdleOne> I will.
[20:44] <IdleOne> I just received my new pc and was putting it together when I was about to take the dvd burner out to install into the new pc
[20:44] <IdleOne> and he walked in :/
[20:45] <h00k> SO
[20:46] <IdleOne> Dad is funny bout his stuff
[20:46] <IdleOne> even if it don't work
[20:46] <IdleOne> he asked what I was doing with this box I am on and said "Keeping it!" He's like what do you need two computers for heh
[20:47] <IdleOne> like anyone can have to many computers
[20:47] <IdleOne> :P
[20:47] <h00k> I may or may not have had an old Pentium in my trunk for about a year
[20:49] <IdleOne> I have two old macs sitting on the desk next to me
[20:49] <IdleOne> not sure what to do with them yet
[20:49] <IdleOne> I know this computer will be a media server when I am done
[20:51] <persia> It's possible to have too many computers.  You know you have too many when you find a dusty one at the bottom of a pile when cleaning out some area that needed cleaning out for far too long.
[20:52] <Tm_T> persia: you have too many in use when you have to use pc speaker beep to locate it
[20:52] <IdleOne> persia: that is like winning the lottery
[20:52] <persia> Tm_T: If they are in use, they aren't too many.
[20:52] <Tm_T> persia: depends on what kind of use, like, warming an apartment
[20:53]  * persia has too many computers, but at least 9 of them are in organised stacks to be disposed of some day (as they are not only in the "too many" category, but also in the "mostly obsolete" category)
[20:53] <Tm_T> ...I still use my Digital laptop at times
[20:54] <persia> alpha?
[20:54] <Tm_T> 486
[20:54] <Tm_T> not perfect for watching videos but otherwise it's ok
[20:56] <persia> Heh.  Maybe I just need to find a use for the old ones (but most of them are also large/noisy/hot/etc.)
[20:57] <Tm_T> persia: noisy ones keeps animals away at night, hot ones keep you warm...
[20:58]  * persia lives at a latitude where keeping warm is not usually an issue, and in an area with sufficient population density that animals don't fear computer noise.
[20:58] <Tm_T> ...I saw snow raining today
[20:58] <persia> Well, I have some extra heaters, if you want to pay shipping :)
[20:58] <genii> Pici: From what I can tell they're basically going to try and foist him back to Ubuntu support
[20:59] <Pici> genii: Thats not what it looks like to me.
[21:08] <h00k> he's still floundering in there :/
[21:20] <h00k> funkyHat: did he /msg you?
[21:20] <funkyHat> Yes
[21:20] <h00k> about spam for his channel?
[21:20] <funkyHat> Yes
[21:20]  * h00k facepalms
[21:20] <funkyHat> Well done kgs!
[21:21] <h00k> I really figured he could pick up the sarcasm
[21:55] <h00k> he's back.


[03:21] <mup> Issue operator#583 opened: get_relation returns None for a peer relation <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/583>


[05:14] <neonsun> hello there! I am very new with Ubuntu - installing it for the very first time. I need a bit of support about the graphic display - do I have a graphic driver or sth like that as an opportunity? Cause it's quite unuseful right now, during the instalation. Thank you! :)
[05:14] <cfhowlett> neonsun, more details ....
[05:17] <neonsun> the machine is very old one - Gateway. I am helping a friend and dont know the exact age of the chipset. It was under Win XP and running well. Now, still installing Xubuntu, it offered me support via the channel so I'm here.
[05:18] <cfhowlett> !details | neonsun
[05:18] <neonsun> the display is reddish and noisy. I guess it's gonna offer me some opportunity to repair it after it's all over with the settings?
[05:18] <cfhowlett> neonsun, old computer?  desktop?
[05:19] <neonsun> laptop, thank you
[05:19] <cfhowlett> I would bet anything it's not an ubuntu issue, the gpu card is old and failing.
[05:19] <neonsun> i am sure it is not ubuntu :)
[05:20] <neonsun> yes, but would there be any chance to install something additional after it?
[05:20] <cfhowlett> if the CARD is failing, what do you think you're going to install to fix it?
[05:21] <neonsun> cfhowlett i mentioned i never used linux before. i am just hoping and that is my question - if you may supose sth for me to help?
[05:22] <cfhowlett> I propose you go to your local computer salvage shop and buy a replacement card.
[05:22] <cfhowlett> or learn to live with off-center coloring in the display.
[07:48] <medicijnman> how do i disable online help after pressing f1 in xfce-terminal?
[14:36] <jani__> jojo
[14:37] <jani_> sl
[14:41] <jani_> jo
[15:08] <noorxbyte> Hellow
[15:08] <noorxbyte> anybody there?
[15:09] <sak> hello
[15:09] <noorxbyte> i'm having some problems
[15:09] <slickymasterWork> !hi | noorxbyte
[15:09] <noorxbyte> i changed my session to xfce and now can't change back to xubuntu session
[15:10] <sak> Are you referring to the login session?
[15:10] <noorxbyte> yes
[15:11] <sak> you don't see the xubuntu session option in the session changer?
[15:11] <noorxbyte> I can't change back. "xubuntu session" is selected in the login screen
[15:11] <noorxbyte> but logins to xfce4
[15:12] <sak> hmmmm, sound like you might have removed the xubuntu-desktop session by accident. Try this #sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, see what happens
[15:12] <noorxbyte> xubuntu-desktop is already the newest version
[15:13] <noorxbyte> help?
[15:14] <sak> one sec
[15:15] <sak> In the mean time, update your initramfs, #sudo update-initramfs -u
[15:16] <noorxbyte> done
[15:16] <noorxbyte> now what?
[15:16] <sak> restart
[15:17] <noorxbyte> ok
[15:17] <noorxbyte> brb
[15:17] <noorxbyte> is logout ok?
[15:21] <noorxbyte> i'm back
[15:21] <noorxbyte> and it did not work
[15:23] <sak> Can you remember what steps you took when you installed xfce4?
[15:25] <noorxbyte> i did not "install"
[15:25] <noorxbyte> tonight i just saw that option in the login screen
[15:27] <sak> Something happened to your system that caused this. That is what we are trying to find out. Nothing appears without action
[15:31] <sak> We may need to check the log files of your display manager. If xubuntu is installed, then perhaps the lightdm manager is not properly loading it.
[15:31] <sak> If anyone else is on this chat feel free to jump in
[15:31] <noorxbyte> so please suggest a fix
[15:32] <sak> First we have to find the problem, otherwise we will be shooting in the dark.
[15:32] <sak> Is this a production system noorxbyte?
[15:33] <noorxbyte> u mean?
[15:33] <flocculant> noorxbyte: does it login to xfce even though you've reset session to xubuntu - or does it just look like xfce
[15:35] <noorxbyte> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[15:35] <noorxbyte> this gives me the output "xubuntu"
[15:35] <flocculant> ok - so it just 'looks' odd
[15:36] <noorxbyte> but it does not look like before
[15:36] <flocculant> yep - you can remove the xfce4 folder from config
[15:36] <noorxbyte> config file where
[15:36] <flocculant> but you'll have to do so logged out
[15:36] <flocculant> so logout, got to a vt ctrl+alt+f1 then login there
[15:37] <noorxbyte> i did not understand fully
[15:37] <flocculant> then rm -r .config/xfce4
[15:38] <flocculant> you have to logout of the gui - login to a virtual terminal - then run that
[15:38] <flocculant> then logout of that, then ctrl+alt+f7 and login to the desktop
[15:39] <noorxbyte> lemme try that
[15:40] <sak> flocculant, I see xfce4 in my config folder. I have Xubuntu installed, but I don't see xubuntu, just the xfce. Aren't they the same?
[15:41] <flocculant> seems that logging into xfce overrides xubuntu - never did suss out why
[15:41] <sak> Ok, I see lxsession, openbox and xfce
[15:41] <flocculant> and yes you should have .config/xfce4
[15:42] <sak> And if one removed xfce4?
[15:43] <flocculant> it'll be rebuilt when you login again
[15:43] <drc> sak: When you log back in it will automagically re-constitute itself with the defaults.
[15:43] <flocculant> though as drc alludes - you lose any customisation you've done
[15:43] <sak> And where are these defaults?
[15:44] <flocculant> not sure
[15:44] <Pici> /36/36
[15:44] <drc>  /etc/skel, usually
[15:46] <noorxbyte> ok done
[15:46] <sak> So, when a new ubunt system is installed, the default desktop setup is, "what you see when logged in", stored in the /etc/skel file.
[15:46] <noorxbyte> thanks
[15:46] <drc> basically, yes
[15:46] <sak> noorxbyte, it worked?
[15:47] <noorxbyte> i deleted the xfce4 folder from .config
[15:47] <noorxbyte> and it reset the UI
[15:47] <noorxbyte> what was your suggestion sak?
[15:49] <sak> noorxbyte, if all else failed, I was going to suggested a re-installation of xubuntu, by removing it and reinstalling. Glad I didn't
[15:49] <sak> thanks flocculant and drc
[15:49] <drc> np...enjoy :)
[15:49] <noorxbyte> thanks all
[15:50] <flocculant> noorxbyte: welcome
[15:50] <flocculant> sak: rarely is there any reason to reinstall the OS
[15:51] <sak> Glad that is fact flocculant
[15:51] <drc> But there are times (been there, done that, messed it up real bad)... :(
[15:51] <flocculant> yep
[16:28] <sak> lol
[16:35] <cousteau> what was the package I had to uninstall to have dead_acute + C (or compose ' C) produce a c with acute rather than a ç?
[16:41] <cousteau> it was something about the input method...  someone here or in #xfce told me to remove some useless annoying package and that did the trick
[16:46] <cousteau> hint: it was IBUS-something, I think...
[16:47] <bazhang> !find ibus
[16:51] <cousteau> uninstalled ibus ibus-gtk ibus-gtk3; no luck...
[16:53] <cousteau> Oh, seems that I just need to restart all applications in order to get them worked as intended :)
[16:53] <cousteau> brb
[16:54] <cousteau> yaaay!  it works!  ććććć
[16:54] <cousteau> btw ibus is dumb >:(
[16:55] <bazhang> not for those that need it, really
[17:39] <emnz> hello
[17:40] <emnz> can anyone help me? I'm trying to install xubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso on virtualbox (windows 7 64bit), but I get error "Installer crashed", just before select time zone screen
[17:40] <emnz> I installed ubuntu 15.04 with no issue on same machine
[17:40] <GridCube> !checksum
[17:40] <GridCube> ^ check taht the iso is properly downloaded
[17:40] <GridCube> also try starting a live session
[17:41] <emnz> GridCube: awesome thank you
[17:42] <emnz> my download manager can check the hash, any idea how to find out what it is in windows?
[17:42] <emnz> dont have linux to run terminal with
[17:43] <bazhang> !md5
[17:43] <emnz> np I scrolled down and see the windows suggestions
[17:48] <emnz> my file is corrupted yes, great, thank you guys
[18:05] <ozbluenose> Hello.  Is there anybody here?
[18:06] <emnz> maybe
[18:08] <knome> ozbluenose, if you have a support question, just ask it
[18:09] <ozbluenose> Hello emnz.  I'm looking for some help with xubuntu.  An update I just tried to install told me there isn't enough space in the /boot partition.  I'm a novice here.  My drive has only xubuntu on it.  There is over 250 GB of space in the other partitions.  I installed xubuntu recently and let it do its own thing, including partitions.  Any ideas how to solve it?
[18:10] <bazhang> remove some of the older kernels ozbluenose
[18:11] <emnz> https://askubuntu.com/questions/495941/software-updater-needs-more-disk-space
[18:13] <ozbluenose> Thank you emnz and bazhang for that.  I'll go through that now.  Regards.
[18:46] <Player1> hi guys! I'm having an issue where evience isn't respecting my touchpad scroll inversion... any ideas?
[18:47] <Player1> It's really getting to me when I'm in class and my book scrolls the opposite way of everything else on my computer lol
[18:49] <knome> Player1, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=178325
[18:50] <Player1> Allright cool I'm about to try this
[18:50] <Player1> should I leave my horizontal delta alone
[18:50] <Player1> if I want that to be uninverted?
[18:50] <knome> i have no idea.
[18:52] <Player1> Okay and if I don't have an xorg.conf.d is it gonna wreck shit if I make one?
[18:52] <Player1> *stuff
[18:55] <Player1> Another reason I'm hesitant to try that is my scrolling is inverted, just not in the one program.
[18:56] <knome> Player1, please remember that this channel is family-friendly and adjust the language accordingly
[18:56] <Player1> Yeah I corrected my self for that reason, I apologize... Old habits and whatnot. :3
[18:58] <knome> (x)ubuntu doesn't create xorg.conf by default but if you need one, you can create one and if it's sane, it doesn't break anything
[19:00] <genii> !xorgconf
[19:06] <Player1> thanks knome
[19:38] <LolPodOne> Hello
[19:38] <LolPodOne> Version Xubuntu 15.04 ? Release ?
[19:39] <bekks> LolPodOne: Whats your actual question? :)
[19:41] <LolPodOne> My question is Send of the Mail
[19:42] <LolPodOne> bekks: My question is Send of the Mail
[19:42] <bekks> LolPodOne: So can you rephrase it, to actually ask a specific question?
[19:44] <LolPodOne> Send Mail using "mail"
[19:44] <drc> LolPodOne: What's your native language?
[19:44] <LolPodOne> Italian :(
[19:45] <drc> !it | LolPodOne
[19:45] <LolPodOne> Thanks ;)
[19:45] <drc> You're Welcome
[19:46] <LolPodOne> The Italian group is offline:(
[19:47] <bekks> No, there are 49 nicks online in #ubuntu-it
[19:47] <drc> !patience | LolPodOne
[19:47] <LolPodOne> no one answers
[19:48] <LolPodOne> Sorry
[19:48] <drc> We'll try and help here, but you will have to do better at asking your question, appearently no one here understands what you are trying to ask.
[19:55] <drc> And now we'll never know :)
[21:25] <jodanpotasu> hello can i ask u for something?
[21:27] <knome> that's what this channel is for
[21:27] <jodanpotasu> oh cool i have some problem with basics  - cron
[21:28] <jodanpotasu> im trying to set cron every day to echo "ass" :D
[21:28] <knome> ...
[21:28] <jodanpotasu> its not joke
[21:28] <jodanpotasu> im learning
[21:28] <jodanpotasu> im typing in console crontab -e
[21:28] <jodanpotasu> then 19 23 * * * user echo "ass" but it is not works
[21:28] <jodanpotasu> why?
[21:29] <jodanpotasu> it should every day at 23:19
[21:30] <Unit193> You'll need somewhere for it to drop that, so for example you can redirect it to a file or install exim4 and heirloom-mailx
[21:31] <jodanpotasu> ahh i didnt know i cant in that way use it, installing exm4 and second program allow me to do in that way?
[21:31] <Unit193> Where did you really expect to see it?  That'll give you 'system mail', so you can type `mail` and see this message.
[21:33] <jodanpotasu> i really expect to run command "redshift -O" every day but i cant, so i have to put this to some file?
[21:35] <Unit193> Due to a bug in redshift perhaps?  lp 1449421, lp 1480237, lp 1480526 or another: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift
[21:37] <jodanpotasu> oh thank you so much for that links but still i wanna learn cron, is that even possible to run command like mine?
[21:37] <jodanpotasu> or i really have to put them into file?
[21:40] <drc> jodanpotasu: Whay not try someting cron specific...like http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto or https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cron ?
[21:42] <jodanpotasu> i will thank u so much  ;)
[22:51] <bet0x> Where is located the git repo for the xubuntu project?
[22:54] <knome> there is no single git repo
[22:54] <knome> what are you looking for exactly?


[00:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: sorry about the upload and build, I needed to be able to install on my son's computer to test it out...
[00:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: No worries.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m] @azbulutlu: working on tablet stuff for -controls. Want to check my thinking... or lack there of  ;)
[01:21] <OvenWerks> Right now I populate the gui from what the tablet is now arther than what the config file says.
[01:22] <OvenWerks> My thinking is that, everything working right, the device should be the same as the config file anyway.
[01:22] <OvenWerks> That is it should have been set at session start.
[01:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I don't really have a wacom tablet to check it against, so we'd have to leave that to @azbulutlu.
[01:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: yes she has more than one. That makes her a good person to ask.
[01:32] <OvenWerks> I have one (well my son does)
[01:33] <OvenWerks> So everything I can test is based on that.
[01:33] <OvenWerks> I also have the idea that someone with more than one would probably like all of them to get set at boot and not just one.
[01:35] <OvenWerks> Or they would like whichever one is connected to get set... it may be that because of a different arangement of buttons they would want different setting for each tablet
[01:36] <OvenWerks> All of this means saving values for all the possible tablets a user owns and checking at session start which ones are actually plugged in and set all of those.
 I think it needs to happen when tablet is connected?
 it is a good idea to check if there is a tablet on session start but people will plug in and out tablets all the time. and it is not uncommon to have multiple
 think usb microphones as anology
 ovenwerks
 I do need to run but I'll type more later today
 (Voice, 0s) http://studiobot.ericheickmeyer.com:9090/bkeZovGi/file_80.oga
[16:45] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: So that means we need to keep a data base of drawing surfaces the user owns, if they are plugged in or not... I think.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: this is not like usb audio at all maybe.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> The buttons on pads, are they always arranged the same way?
[16:46] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: wrong question... would button 1 always need to be set the same way for the same application even on different pads?
[16:48] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: would I be able to just hit each pad as plugged in with the same configuration?
[16:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: we may have a problem -controls if not run by the installing user.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: nope scratch that, it's fine
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I was about to say that doesn't make sense, but if we're OK then we're OK. :D
[17:01] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: I know, talking to myself... but farther thought would indicate that much of my work to display the device was wasted :P
[17:02] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: The device doesn't matter so long as I can get a list of devices for setting up and detect as they are plugged in.
[17:05] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: next problem... maybe is that I may need to compare any usb device that gets plugged in against a known list of tablets.
[17:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Perhaps, but that's going to be a gigantic list, and might be overkill.
[17:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: it is strange, lsusb on our tablet jsut shows a serial number no description, but dmesg does show pad and stylus
[17:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Gotta love inconsistency. /s
[17:23]  * OvenWerks wonders if there is a command to xorg that makes it reread a config file
 `sudo shutdown -r now `*shot*
 :P
[18:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> @teward001 You may proceed to alt-F4.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> shot
 :P


[05:50] <ball> :-)
[05:50] <ball> Someone just gave me a Pentium III box.  I installed Ubuntu on it.
[05:51] <ball> I should really put BSD on this and Ubuntu on my faster computer.
[05:55] <ball> My work here is done. :-)
[07:42] <danfish> ood morning
[07:42] <danfish> g*
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:32] <DJones> Morning all
[08:56] <Apacheuk> morning everyone
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> \o/ 2 new records just arrived
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> well, second-hand, but new to me :)
[09:08] <Phineas> i have returned
[09:10]  * Phineas detects this channel is inactive
[09:12] <Phineas> yep inactave and dead
[09:43] <Phineas> this channel is dead and not in use right nw
[09:45] <screen-x> morning all :)
[09:45] <screen-x> long live #ubuntu-uk!
[09:48] <Phineas> morning screen-x
[09:48] <screen-x> Morning Phineas
[09:49] <Phineas> screen-x,  just waiting for a dvd and a game to arive in the post
[09:49] <screen-x> that you were ordering yesterday.. something to do with garfield
[09:51] <Phineas> screen-x,  yeah, Garfields Pet Force in 3D (comes with 4 pairs of glasses)
[09:52] <screen-x> Phineas: how did you become interested in ubuntu?
[09:54] <Phineas> screen-x,  the IT guy at my last school told me about it (the school ran on ubuntu) but i was so excited over having ubuntu for the first time i overwited windows and lost my worenty
[09:54] <screen-x> A school that runs ubuntu, cool :)
[09:54] <screen-x> Which school was that?
[09:57] <Phineas> screen-x,  well... it wasn't a school, it was a learner centre
[10:00] <Phineas> screen-x,  in Cambridge
[10:02] <Phineas> screen-x,  call the red Balloon
[10:02] <screen-x> sounds like a coded phrase..
[10:05] <Phineas> screen-x,  oops my keyboard is so not sensitive enough
[10:11] <Phineas> screen-x,  i ment its called the red balloon
[10:11] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[10:14] <screen-x> morning bigcalm
[10:17] <bigcalm> What's new in ubuntu land?
[10:19] <screen-x> not sure... bit scared of trying natty atm
[10:20] <DJones> I'm tempted to give natty a go on a spare computer I've got
[10:21] <Phineas> bigcalm,  morning
[10:22] <bigcalm> Hi
[10:22] <Phineas> hows it going
[10:22] <Phineas> bigcalm,  hows it going
[10:22] <bigcalm> Busy
[10:22] <daubers> Morning
[10:23] <Phineas> bigcalm,  how are your pets?
[10:23] <bigcalm> I don't have any pets
[10:23] <bigcalm> Hi daubers
[10:23] <Phineas> bigcalm,  busy? its only thursday
[10:24] <screen-x> morning daubers :)
[10:24] <Phineas> daubers,  morning daubers
[10:24] <Phineas> whats changing host mean?
[10:25] <Phineas> ?
[10:25] <oly> lol, im not the only one avoiding natty at the moment then :p
[10:25] <screen-x> oly: no :)
[10:25] <daubers> screen-x: I tried using natty for day to day stuff yesterday, but issues where getting in the way
[10:26] <oly> i am tempted as i want to try the latest gnome-shell and i can not find a ppa for 10.10 thats upto date
[10:27] <oly> and compiling failed and i am not intrested in trying to find out why :p
[10:27] <bigcalm> I'm happy with a stable OS
[10:27] <daubers> I think Unity will be aces when it's finished
[10:27] <daubers> Seems a much better idea for wide screen displays and multi-monitors
[10:28]  * screen-x tries to think of a joke about the sort of operating system that could run on an animal shed, but fails.
[10:28] <bigcalm> Be a part of the hurd
[10:28] <oly> i have always had the development releases, but not sure about this unity seems they are taking it on a bit to soon to me and should develop it as a seperate packages until its ready that way people can try if they want
[10:29] <oly> i know it sucks on the netbook i tried and the older interface worked much better :p
[10:29] <daubers> new unity performs very well
[10:30] <daubers> I think it's a good idea to give people a really tough challenge now and again, and if it's not ready for release then they'll just switch normal gnome back as the default
[10:30] <daubers> easy backup plan
[10:31]  * bigcalm wants to know where his Kindle is
[10:31]  * Phineas wants to know where his dvd is
[10:31] <nperry> http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/8758646.Wiltshire_grandfather_spends_three_days_on_motorway/
[10:32] <nperry> This guy needs a sat nav.
[10:32] <bigcalm> You think he has my Kindle?
[10:32] <oly> think my main concern though is wayland, as i understand it we loose the networking of the desktop :/ which for me is one of the biggest strengths
[10:32] <DJones> bigcalm: He might be delivering it
[10:32]  * Phineas nperry does not know the secret about Phineas
[10:32] <oly> and has never really been utilised to its full potential
[10:32] <nperry> oh hang on he had a sat nev, bless him....
[10:32] <daubers> oly: You can run X on Wayland if you want
[10:32] <Phineas> or who he realy is
[10:32] <daubers> oly: And that transition is a way off yet
[10:33] <oly> ah that should help
[10:33] <acperkins> daubers: running X on wayland is fine, but it only works one-way
[10:33] <oly> i always thought with X you should be able to move your apps with your machines
[10:34] <acperkins> I wouldn't be able to run a Wayland app across the network on my OpenBSD box
[10:34] <oly> so if i have a desktop running upstairs and i jump on my laptop would be cool if i could bring that app to my laptop
[10:34] <oly> you can kind of do this by launching a new instance and forwarding it to your machine but why not just grab the running app :p
[10:35]  * Phineas nperry does not know the secret about Phineas
[10:35] <Phineas> or who he realy is
[10:35] <oly> that way any device with x could grab the app,
[10:36] <oly> but i have never found anyone who is working on such a thing and i have hunted :)
[10:36] <daubers> oly: You'd have to move the background process stuff too
[10:36] <Phineas> have i said that already?
[10:37] <oly> why the app could still run on the other device i am only intrested in the display
[10:37]  * Phineas feels ignored
[10:38] <oly> thats how it currently works if i ssh to a machine and launch firefox the processing is done on the remote machine and just the display is sent
[10:38] <screen-x> oly:  like xinerama but with the displays on separate machines
[10:38] <screen-x> or like x2x but for apps
[10:38] <oly> so why is it not possible to redirect the running app
[10:39] <oly> yeah, it could even add the desktop in with your current desktops or something
[10:39] <bigcalm> Is there a better way of monitoring rdiff-backup other than watch du -h ?
[10:39] <oly> that would be neat
[10:40] <screen-x> bigcalm: presumably it writes a log file?
[10:40] <bigcalm> I think so
[10:41] <screen-x> could monitor that with $monitoring_system or logwatch or whatever.
[10:41] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:42] <bigcalm> Hey czajkowski *hugs* :)
[10:42]  * screen-x upgrades rsnapshot server to lucid, not much work going today to miss..
[10:42] <screen-x> morning czajkowski
[10:43] <screen-x> czajkowski: how's life in the south east?
[10:43]  * Phineas feels ignored big time
[10:43] <czajkowski> screen-x: not back till tomorrow but good all the same
[10:43] <czajkowski> bigcalm: ello ello *hugs*
[10:43] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:44] <screen-x> czajkowski: :)
[10:44] <czajkowski> screen-x: bigcalm GOOD christmas?
[10:44] <screen-x> czajkowski: yes thanks, remarkably harmonious!
[10:44] <bigcalm> Oh yes. Lots of happy family time :)
[10:44] <bigcalm> How about you?
[10:45] <screen-x> czajkowski: I take it you were back in Ireland?
[10:45] <czajkowski> was good lots of sleeping and eating, what more could I need :p
[10:45] <czajkowski> screen-x: yes indeed
[10:45]  * daubers considers popping into M&S for an alarm clock and some slippers
[10:45] <oly> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html
[10:45] <czajkowski> daubers: ello cake man
[10:45] <oly> never found that before looks promising :-D
[10:46] <screen-x> czajkowski: daubers was biscuit man yesterday - he's widening his skills!
[10:46] <czajkowski> oh my I shall need to sample some!
[10:46] <czajkowski> I found the Scotts clan yesterday, need to get the box rehidden
[10:49]  * screen-x failed to interpret the previous line
[10:50] <czajkowski> http://jacobfruitfield.com/brands/thumbnails/scots-clan-box.jpg
[10:50] <screen-x> looks tasty :)
[10:52] <czajkowski> addictive
[10:54] <bigcalm> Anybody having trouble with bytemark servers being slow?
[10:57] <Phineas> me
[10:58] <bigcalm> Then I blame you
[10:58] <Phineas> for what
[10:59] <bigcalm> Them being slow. I just wanted to vent :P
[11:00] <bigcalm> Wow, this is becoming unseable
[11:01]  * Phineas continues to make the bytemark servers slow
[11:02] <screen-x> Phineas: are you using a bytemark vps to DOS the amazon delivery tracking system?
[11:03] <Phineas> screen-x,  something like that
[11:04] <DJones> bigcalm: Maybe 4chan are hosted on bytemark & the ddos attack on them is hitting all bytemark servers :)
[11:04] <bigcalm> Ah crappy :(
[11:04] <bigcalm> DJones: thanks
[11:04]  * Phineas does an evil laugh
[11:04] <bigcalm> Oh, you don't know, just a maybe
[11:05]  * bigcalm disables pagespeed and restarts apache
[11:05]  * DJones puts on a tinfoil hat & adds to the conspiracy, bigcalm is the person runningthe 4chan site
[11:05] <screen-x> that's hilarous.. the last hop before www.4chan.org is series.of.tubes
[11:05] <bigcalm> Hehe
[11:05] <DJones> Heh
[11:06] <bigcalm> Wow, it was pagespeed
[11:06] <bigcalm> My server is useable again!
[11:07] <Phineas> all part of my master plan
[11:18] <brobostigon> morning all.
[11:25] <Phineas> morning brobostigon
[11:25] <Phineas> brobostigon, did you check that game out
[11:26] <brobostigon> Phineas: i have just been too busy,
[11:26] <bigcalm> Kindle be here :D
[11:26] <Phineas> bigcalm,  witing for the parcel in the post?
[11:28] <Phineas> is this normal sounds for a floppy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qz9a8kYYkA
[11:34] <ali1234> yes
[11:36] <Phineas> ali1234,  good it sounds loud
[11:36] <Phineas> anyway be
[11:36] <Phineas> bye
[11:37] <DJones> I thought the normal sound for a floppy disk was the bang/clunk as it lands in the bin
[11:39] <screen-x> I wish the term floppy had been adopted for usb mass storage devices, I never know what to call them..
[11:39] <screen-x> and 3.5" floppies weren't floppy, so the term would be just as accurate.
[11:39] <DJones> I normally just with "stick"
[11:40] <DJones> screen-x: Thats like the "removable" hard drive on the ancient ICL I used as a student, they were removable as long as you had two people & a small crane to lift them
[11:41] <screen-x> :)
[11:41] <DJones> And it had 8" floppy's
[11:41] <screen-x> and various ancient "portables"
[11:42] <DJones> Yeah, I can remember using an Osbourne (I think) luggable with a 4" CRT screen
[11:43] <DJones> Something like this http://www.laptopsarena.com/wp-content/uploads/osborne1.jpg
[11:46] <brobostigon> interesting,
[11:46] <screen-x> DJones: what goes in the slots under the floppy drives?
[11:47] <DJones> screen-x: I think it was just storage space
[11:48] <screen-x> they should have but helium cells in there ;-)
[11:50] <DJones> screen-x: A bit of a better description/picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1
[11:52] <brobostigon> portable computer, hmm,
[11:52] <DJones> Looking at this pic http://www.laptopsarena.com/wp-content/uploads/osborne1-opened.jpg The floppy drives look like the ones I had with my Apple II's, sort of large brick shaped
[11:53] <DJones> brobostigon: Portable in the same way that a suitcase is portable
[11:53] <DJones> Can't remember if it had wheels on the case, I think it might have done, but I'm not certain
[11:53] <brobostigon> DJones: yes, that is quite accurate. and a rather large suitcase.
[11:56] <brobostigon> DJones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPC_512 is another good example.
[11:58] <DJones> heh, I remember those as well
[11:59] <brobostigon> DJones: i had one of those when i was young.
[12:00] <DJones> From memory, didn't the screen slide down inside the case & the keyboard connected over the top to make the case up
[12:00] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:01] <DJones> I like this line from wikipedia "At the time of the PPC640 launch, its price in the UK was so close to standalone 2400 baud modems that it was almost 'buy a modem and get a free luggable PC'.
[12:01] <brobostigon> hehe
[12:01] <DJones> History repeats itself, buy a mobile broadband dongle & get a free laptop :)
[12:01] <brobostigon> kinda, yes.
[12:01] <DJones> s/laptop/netbook
[12:07] <ali1234> kinda but also not, because broadband dongles cost nothing, you are paying for the contract
[12:08] <ali1234> you can get they on payg for literally nothing
[12:08] <ali1234> does anyone use the firefox 4 ppa on maverick?
[12:15] <Apacheuk> hey everyone... is there anyone who could help with a simple scripting question?
[12:18] <mattt> Apacheuk: can certainly try
[12:19] <Apacheuk> ok, why doesn't this work http://paste.ubuntu.com/548813/ I get an error ./test.sh: line 2: [foo: command not found
[12:20] <Apacheuk> its about as simple as it gets, and as far as I can tell from other websites it should work as expected
[12:24] <ali1234> put a space after [
[12:24] <ali1234> and before ]
[12:26] <Apacheuk> ali1234: cheers, wasn't obvious at first glance on the site I'm using as a reference, but now I can see it.... thanks!
[12:49] <KrimZon> i have some code files that seem to get detected as plain text - is there any way to fix this cause I use different text editors for code and text?
[13:09] <directhex> anyone wanna buy a 26" hdtv? :p
[13:13] <podman99> hey all ... i know this will be something simple... using ubuntu-vm-builder on maverick 10.10 built and installed from ISO a VE, i used virsh to define /etc/libvir....... start bt01 and it waits and tells me : http://pastebin.com/xCDCX5a4 ?? any ideas have followed docs perfectly @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests
[13:14] <screen-x> podman99: check the permissions on the disk image?
[13:16] <podman99> have done
[13:18] <podman99> screen-x, my bad ... the image was inside /root/ubuntu-kvm ... moved to /opt/ve and worked
[13:18] <screen-x> podman99: :)
[13:54] <kvarley> Thank goodness for androids usb tethering option for the data connection.
[13:54] <kvarley> My phoneline went down last night at 8pm and bt say theyll fix it by the 5th, that's a loooonnnnggggg time :/
[13:54] <screen-x> kvarley: :(
[13:55] <kvarley> screen-x: What was most irritating is that you don't get to speak to a person about it, you just get put through an automated line. I suppose it saves time and money but as far as I know nobody but the computer knows about my line being down.
[13:57] <DJones> kvarley: tethering is handy, but I find it batters the bandwidth caps
[13:57] <kvarley> DJones: I haven't got 3g here so it seems to be ok
[13:57] <DJones> ah, ok
[13:58] <kvarley> DJones: hehe
[15:07] <kvarley> Is there a way in ubuntu to generate the md5 of a file?
[15:07] <screen-x> kvarley: md5sum
[15:08] <kvarley> screen-x: Thanks, thats very nice that its installed by default too :)
[15:08] <screen-x> with its companion sha1sum
[15:08] <bigcalm> It's a dependancy for a lot of systems
[15:13] <popey> wheee!
[15:13] <popey> just woke my hp microserver via etherwake
[15:15] <KrimZon> gah, more problems with samba again
[15:16] <KrimZon> does samba access files as though it were the user that was logged in?
[15:16] <KrimZon> cause all the files belong to one user but multiple users need access to them
[15:16] <KrimZon> via samba
[15:17] <bigcalm> popey: I can has Kindle! I lack graze though
[15:18] <bigcalm> I have the say, the screen is wonderful
[15:18] <KrimZon> aha, figured it out - made them both the same group
[15:19] <screen-x> bigcalm: it looks like there is a printed plastic thing on top of the screen that you have to pull off before you get to the real screen..
[15:19] <bigcalm> screen-x: looks like it, yes
[15:19] <bigcalm> "looks"
[15:20] <bigcalm> screen-x: I thought that's what it was, but it's the actual screen. Such amazing quality
[15:20] <screen-x> I found the browser copes pretty well, unless you want tabs/windows.
[15:20] <screen-x> Also annoying that it can play mp3s but can't download them.
[15:21] <bigcalm> I'm currently reading Dr Dale's Zombie Dictionary: The A-Z Guide to Staying Alive
[15:21] <screen-x> A: ask fab what to do. B: blame popey, C: profit?
[15:22] <bigcalm> We trust Fab? ;)
[15:22] <screen-x> no, but the answer might be funny ;-)
[15:22] <KrisWillis> Oo, I have a Kindle too - Very nice, aren't they :)
[15:32] <gord> bigcalm, now hack your kindle to put the ubuntu font on it!
[15:32] <bigcalm> gord: I have enough ubuntu devices. Quite enjoy reading books :)
[15:33] <gord> bigcalm, not ubuntu the software, ubunth the font!
[15:33] <bigcalm> Oops, I did't read the 'font' bit
[15:33] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:33] <bigcalm> So that's possible?
[15:34] <gord> bigcalm, it is :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kp9MExGExo
[15:34] <screen-x> bigcalm: http://hackaday.com/2009/09/03/ubuntu-9-04-on-kindle-2/
[15:34] <bigcalm> gord: cool
[15:35] <bigcalm> gord: audio compression is a little odd
[15:35] <bigcalm> screen-x: yeah, I don't really need that, I have a nexus one :)
[15:36] <screen-x> bigcalm: nice to know its possible though :)
[15:36] <bigcalm> screen-x: I guess
[15:37] <popey> er
[15:37] <popey> twitter is giving me http 403
[15:37] <popey> lovely
[15:37] <screen-x> wfm
[15:37] <popey> how odd that was
[15:37] <bigcalm> wfm
[15:38] <screen-x> 43 days... http://twitter.com/#!/IPv4Countdown
[15:39] <bigcalm> And are we ready? Oh how silly
[15:50] <gord> bigcalm, my camera makes a lot of noise, so i had to fun some filters to remove it, thats why things sound strange
[16:06] <czajkowski> gord: ello :D
[16:06] <czajkowski> gord: nice rest ?
[16:17] <gord> czajkowski, i like to think so yes :)
[16:18] <czajkowski> gord: good to hear
[16:22]  * Mez attempts not to drool over his phone now he has Gingerbread
[16:22] <screen-x> Mez: nexus*?
[16:23] <Mez> 1
[16:23] <Mez> (Nexus one)
[16:23] <gord> it does?
[16:23] <gord> mine does not :(
[16:23] <Mez> Not an official build :)
[16:23] <czajkowski> ah ok
[16:23]  * MartijnVdS wants official gbread for n1
[16:23]  * AlanBell only just got froyo
[16:23] <Mez> Though am half tempted to still buy a NS
[16:23] <gord> oh, i don't dare go down that route for my phone,
[16:24] <bigcalm> I'm pleased that GF's Wildfire now has Fryo
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: my Magic has 2.2.1 now
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: (unrooted etc.)
[16:24] <Mez> gord, why not?
[16:24]  * awilkins wonders what Gingerbread on the N900 would be like
[16:24] <Mez> awilkins: strange :D
[16:28] <awilkins> Maybe gords phone is owned by his employer
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> pwned*
[16:28] <Mez> awilkins: it's not his phone if it is :P
[16:29] <Mez> MartijnVdS: Android doesn't have remote wipe yet.
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Mez: uhr.. it does
[16:29]  * Mez wonders if the people in the company realise I can wipe their iPhones
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Mez: "security providers"
[16:29] <Mez> MartijnVdS: oh. Sorry - for exchange. I'm thinking GApps
[16:29] <awilkins> My mods to employer-owned hardware are limited to surreptitiously upgrading the RAM so it runs 64-bit Linux better
[16:30] <awilkins> (specifically the super monster evil Java modules we're using)
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> haha java
[16:30] <awilkins> 'tis not the Java per-se that's the problem, it's the ultimate craptasticness of the code + the data model
[16:32] <awilkins> *sigh* 650,000 lines of Java and counting
[16:33] <daubers> Evening
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> \o dauberman
[16:33] <daubers> (or feels like it)
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> (are you a dog person? or more of a cat person? :P)
[16:33] <daubers> OOo doesn't cope well with 10MB of CSV data
[16:33] <screen-x> evening daubers :)
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Ooo doesn't cope well period.
[16:33] <Mez> daubers: OOo doesn't cope well.
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> ^5 Mez
[16:34]  * Mez hi-fives MartijnVdS
[16:34] <Mez> o_O
[16:34] <Mez> Spooky.
[16:34] <daubers> Mez: It's alright! Copes just as well as MS Office IME
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> Mez: gmta
[16:34]  * awilkins rolls with awk, sed, cut, etc for 10MB of CSV data
[16:34] <Mez> MartijnVdS: what's your excuse then ? :P
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> Mez: ...
[16:35]  * Mez whistles innocently
[16:35] <mgdm> awilkins: :|
[16:35] <daubers> awilkins: I'm trying to get it to graph it :)
[16:35] <awilkins> gnuplot!
[16:35] <screen-x> awilkins: that's my line
[16:35] <daubers> awilkins: Would use gnuplot, but remember doing times in it was a pita
[16:36] <awilkins> gnuplot needs a nice UI
[16:36] <daubers> Also considered using matplotlib
[16:36] <screen-x> daubers: you can specify date/time formats in gnuplot to match your data.
[16:38]  * daubers kills OOo and installs gnuplot
[16:38] <daubers> see if I can remember how to do this
[16:40] <bigcalm> PHP & GD!
[16:40] <bigcalm> Or ImageMagick
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> gnuplot is phat
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> also, graphviz :)
[16:42] <daubers> Gnuplot is also struggling a bit...
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> daubers: More RAM to the rescue
[16:43] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Need moar GHz by the look of the activity monitor
[16:54] <daubers> Hmmm... stupif gnuplot
[16:54] <screen-x> ?
[16:55] <daubers> Right, this matches yes? set timefmt "%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" and "2010-12-30 16:25:54"
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> %FT%T%z FTW
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> perl -MPOSIX -e 'print strftime("%FT%T%z\n", localtime)';
[16:57] <screen-x> daubers: looks right
[16:57] <daubers> Right, it gives me a graph with 2010.01 and so on, and everything wedged near january when all the data is in december
[17:00] <danfish> daubers: google charts ftw!
[17:01] <daubers> Right, lets see if this does any better
[17:01] <daubers> Forgot set xdata time
[17:01]  * awilkins needs a big stiff drink
[17:02] <danfish> http://fishms.homelinux.com/power.html
[17:03] <screen-x> danfish: interesting how little temp difference there is between the garden and the greenhouse
[17:03] <awilkins> That's very swish
[17:04]  * MartijnVdS whispers something like "rrdtool"?
[17:04] <daubers> MartijnVdS: rrdtool is for wimps
[17:05] <danfish> screen-x: the 'greenhouse' is actually just a load of timber, covered in some (now mostly) ripped polytunnel material
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: there's an orange sphere above your house
[17:05] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: rrdtool is a bit scary for data horders
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it is
[17:07] <danfish> MartijnVdS: that's just the local UFO - don't worry, the tinfoil stops them reading my thoughts :P
[17:08] <oly> danfish, what are you using to output those graphs out of interest ?
[17:09] <danfish> oly: it's a but messy, but basically a combination of javascript, googlecharts and some python cgi stuff
[17:10] <oly> aha, would not mind stealing the code for that :)
[17:11] <oly> the dynamic updating graph would fit in nicely with my server web interface :)
[17:13] <danfish> oly: np - when I get home I'll 'sanitise' the code and post it
[17:14]  * MartijnVdS hands danfish some "sanitation products"
[17:15] <danfish> haha - remove passwords etc
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> danfish: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainBleach
[17:15] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: for removing code smells?
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: hah, exactly :)
[17:21] <oly> cheers danfish :)
[18:04] <danfish> oly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548884/ for the libraries and cgi stuff
[18:06] <oly> aha cheers danfish will have a look into that :)
[18:11] <screen-x> How do I change the root password of an ldap server using cn=config?
[18:16] <oly> screen-x, i would guess you create an ldif file and use ldifmodify only guessing though :p
[18:17] <oly> same way you create ldif files and use ldifadd to do the initial setup
[18:17] <screen-x> oly: I set it up with debconf..
[18:19] <oly> oh no idea then but you should still be able to do the same thing
[18:21] <screen-x> I was struggling with openldap already, and then they way configuration happens completely changed! Thanks for the suggestion though oly.
[18:23] <oly> yeah so i found out, i had to heavily modify my code to setup openldap
[18:24] <oly> but its design to setup from scratch and manages the admin password for you
[18:25] <oly> sudo ldapadd -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -f myadmin.ldif thats the command it uses to do the initial admin setup though so probably similar to modify
[20:06] <niall_> Can Ubuntu 10.10 handle 6 UARTs / 6 RS232 serial ports?
[20:10] <Yorvyk> niall_, It can but not will be enabled by default
[20:10] <niall_> Yorvyk, do I need to recompile the kernel or what do I need to change?
[20:11] <Yorvyk> niall_, you don't need to compile a new kernel thankfully
[20:12] <Yorvyk> I'm just trying to find what I did as it was a year or so back - give me a few mins.
[20:18] <niall_> Yorvyk, thank you very much. :)
[20:20] <Yorvyk> niall_, np, I'm trying to tidy up my hard disk and have files scattered all over at the moment. I know it's here somewhere
[20:23] <Yorvyk> niall_, found it http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Serial-HOWTO-16.html#ss16.3
[20:36] <niall_> Yorvyk, just the information I needed. BAM! Thank you so much. Just curious, for what purpose do you employ 6 serial ports?
[20:38] <niall_> (or however many you are using.. I need 6 to console to Cisco devices)
[20:38] <Yorvyk> niall_, 10 in the end :) It was a machine monitoring various environmental controls in a workshop
[20:39] <niall_> Yorvyk, nice. Good to know there's capacity to expand in future.
[20:40] <Yorvyk> niall_, it had 14 ports 4 were never used, just there in case.
[20:41] <niall_> :)
[20:43] <Yorvyk> niall_, I don't know what you're going to do but after the problem with only 4 ports enable our biggest headache was identifying which port was which.
[20:45] <Yorvyk> The i/o cards were covered in links that had to set properly with rather poor docs.
[20:46] <niall_> Hmm. Well, so long as the ordering stays the same after reboot it won't be much of a problem for me. Did you discover that they did or didn't retain their order?
[20:49] <Yorvyk> initially they didn't. we had to alter the addresses and also I seem to remember moving them about the PCI slots because of some interrupt conflict.  Once it was all set it has run for 16 months now with out problem and is switched off when the place shuts for holidays.
[20:52] <niall_> Yorvyk, how do you mean, 'alter the addresses'?
[21:03] <Yorvyk> niall_, I think it was the address that was altered by some links on the board in order to avoid conflicts with other devices.  These were rather old and not plug n play.
[21:09] <niall_> Yorvyk, oh I see. I was fortunate enough to find a single PCI card with 6 ports, PnP, 20GBP.
[21:10] <Yorvyk> niall_, Not bad. Does the MOBO have any serial ports
[21:11] <Yorvyk> If it does and you don't need it, disabling it can help if you find you have problems with them 'moving about'
[21:25] <niall_> Yorvyk, I believe there is on onboard but I'm not sure I have the header and plate; I don't intend to use it. Good call. Thanks for blazing the trail ;)
[21:29] <Yorvyk> niall_, np, and good luck with it.
[21:35] <niall_> Thanks. bbl
[22:01] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202010/softwarecounterfeiting.jpg
[22:01]  * Azelphur runs :p
[22:10] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone give me some info regarding a netbook plz
[22:10] <popey> what kind of info?
[22:11] <jonsaint> hi popey. my son has got a laptop which is on its last legs so my parents got him a netbook. the usual crap on there, 2 gig space running crappy ce 6.0. the problem is my 9yr old can get around ubuntu with his eyes closed but this ce rubbis had got him crying all the time. is there any way of putting ubuntu on there?
[22:12] <popey> in short, no
[22:12] <jonsaint> oh no
[22:12] <jonsaint> i hate windows! and not to have ubuntu on a netbook makes it worse lol
[22:13] <jacobw> Evening
[22:13] <popey> yeah, i sympathise
[22:13] <popey> unfortunately the laptop you have (if my guess is right) is very low spec
[22:13] <jonsaint> absolutly no way at all popey?
[22:13] <jacobw> install mingw for some command line love :p
[22:13] <jonsaint> yeah, dont even have a cd or floppy.
[22:13] <popey> i suspect it has about 128MB of RAM
[22:14] <jonsaint> 256 i think
[22:14] <popey> which one is it?
[22:14] <jonsaint> arnova with the samsung arm chip
[22:16] <popey> Archos?
[22:16] <popey> http://armdevices.net/2010/10/18/archos-arnova-10-2-inch-samsung-533mhz-arm-powered-laptop/ is that it?
[22:17] <jonsaint> no arnova
[22:17] <popey> yes, Archos is the manufacturer, Arnova is the model.
[22:17] <jonsaint> sorry popy yes.
[22:17] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Archos-501540-Arnova-Samsung-533MHz/dp/B003I7CNNE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1293747447&sr=8-1
[22:18] <popey> that thing?
[22:18] <jonsaint> it is 128 memory popey, i just checked
[22:19] <popey> jonsaint: I personally would return it and get something else
[22:19] <jonsaint> cant because it was brought for him. il have to break his little heart and tell him he cant have ubuntu
[22:19] <popey> Where was it purchased?
[22:20] <popey> if amazon, then yes, you can return it
[22:20] <jonsaint> i think they bidded on it on ebay
[22:20] <popey> ah
[22:20] <jacobw> :(
[22:20] <jonsaint> so i got one vey unhappy kid lol
[22:20] <popey> sorry, not much you can do really
[22:20] <popey> :(
[22:20] <jacobw> quick question, how to make ubuntu usb from fedora w/o unetbootin?
[22:20] <jonsaint> il have to buy something bigger
[22:20] <directhex> embedded devices are nigh on impossible to change the OS on. at best, a few of them you can dual-boot, but i doubt this is one
[22:21] <jacobw> it is annoying when people buy gifts etc that aren't linux compatible and its like its nice of them and stuff but not helpful to you personally
[22:21] <directhex> it's not windows compatible either. it's old old, discontinued embedded os wince
[22:21] <jonsaint> this ce is utter rubbish. i wouldnt buy it for my worst enemy!
[22:22] <directhex> wince is pretty much a different, independent os compared to windows, but with a low-spec clone of the win9x ui
[22:23] <jonsaint> is it easy to wipe ce off these machines then? and would wine work on there?
[22:23] <popey> no
[22:23] <directhex> no, it's impossible
[22:23] <directhex> and no, wine cannot work
[22:23] <jonsaint> for which bit?
[22:23] <popey> honestly, give up
[22:23] <jonsaint> ok lol
[22:24] <directhex> wine cannot work because it translated calls to the Win32 API into Linux calls - and your ARM processor can't do Win32
[22:24] <directhex> and you won't get any OS with wine on it installed, since the WinCE OS is burned into a chip
[22:25] <Yorvyk> jonsaint, google Archos Arnova Linux and you'll see lots of other desperate people :)
[22:25] <jonsaint> well folks i would like to thank you all for all the help you have given me the last few years and yet again at this time of year i would like to pass on my best wishes to you all and hope everyone has a lucky new year.
[22:25] <popey> happy new year jonsaint
[22:25] <popey> sorry we couldn't help this time
[22:25] <jonsaint> its ok. thanks anyway. enjoy your night. byeeee
[22:26] <directhex> yay for new year ¬_¬
[22:27] <jacobw> i just had a sudden doubt it wasn't infact dec 30th and it was nye today
[22:29] <jacobw> why can't i get unetbootin working on fedora :s
[22:29] <jacobw> http://pastebin.com/xVu2nFWy
[23:10] <czajkowski> Aloha
[23:48] <Karti_> night all :)