[12:04] <ragna> i cannot access, an USB HDD i dont know what to do can anyone help me?
[12:05] <matt24> can someone help me install E: Couldn't find package module-assistant
[12:05] <Donvinzk> works, thanks everybody !
[12:06] <Donvinzk> I try to convert my mother to linux and ubuntu is useful for this...
[12:07] <Uno> i accidnetally screwed up my grub
[12:07] <Uno> i can't go to kubuntu now
[12:07] <dcwckd> ragna: wahts wrong?
[12:08] <dcwckd> Uno: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:08] <Kubuntu> k
[12:08] <dandielionous> I finally figured out how to fix my hwclock, system clock and taskbar clock so they all keep local time even after I reboot.
[12:08] <dandielionous> hehehehehe
[12:08] <dcwckd> you need to boot to the breezy disc in rescue mode, and do a grub-install
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> What's a good embedable media plugin for mozilla? The kaffeine plugin just loads up kaffeine externally.
[12:08] <dcwckd> mplayer?
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, mplayer's embeds into the browser?
[12:09] <dcwckd> lasy I checked
[12:09] <dcwckd> yes
[12:09] <Psi-Jack> Are there any others?
[12:09] <Kubuntu> hmm
[12:09] <Uno> fd
[12:10] <tripplethrendo> can anyone tell me what controls the back button on my mouse?  it does something weird other than back
[12:10] <dandielionous> drivers control the mouse
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, I don't see an mplayer plugin package. Heh
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> Nevermind.
[12:10] <matt24> can someone help me out with my sti driver install
[12:10] <matt24> I have everything besides 3d
[12:11] <bimberi> tripplethrendo: no idea, but there might be some clues here ...
[12:11] <matt24> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[12:11] <matt24> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[12:11] <matt24> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON X800 PRO Generic
[12:11] <matt24> OpenGL version string: 1.3.5272 (X4.3.0-8.16.20)
[12:11] <bimberi> !mousebuttons
[12:11] <ubotu> I guess mousebuttons is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[12:11] <ragna> ubotu: tell matt24 about ati
[12:11] <tripplethrendo> Thank you Bimberi thats a good start :)
[12:11] <bimberi> tripplethrendo: yw :)
[12:12] <matt24> I can't get the installer to open
[12:12] <matt24> whats the command
[12:12] <Kero_1116> hmm
[12:12] <Kero_1116> doesn't work
[12:13] <dcwckd> hold on, is usplash for GRUB or actual bootup process
[12:13] <dcwckd> or is that upower/
[12:13] <dcwckd> ?
[12:14] <Kero_1116> what?
[12:14] <Kero_1116> what's the difference
[12:14] <dcwckd> Im confused
[12:14] <dcwckd> what does usplash actually skin
[12:17] <thompa> im just wondering why ubuntu/kubuntu does not automatically setup other partitions and usb drives (ipod) automatically?
[12:17] <Kero_1116> what's the command to save in vi
[12:17] <thompa> :qw
[12:17] <thompa> ...kero
[12:18] <Kero_1116> thx
[12:18] <Kero_1116> what's the command to update the grub bootmenu?
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> I'm wondering the same thing, for the grub splash. :)
[12:19] <Kero_1116> i forgot the command
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> update-grub maybe?
[12:20] <tripplethrendo> dont u just edit the grub file?
[12:20] <thompa> !ntfs
[12:20] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:20] <tripplethrendo> ^that script doesnt work quite right by the way
[12:20] <tripplethrendo> but i managed to fix it manually
[12:22] <thompa> i hope dapper is smart enough to mount partitions
[12:22] <Kero_1116> lol
[12:23] <thompa> maybe its a liability issue
[12:23] <thompa> even slackware is easier to ass windows partition
[12:23] <Kero_1116> what's the command to restart computer
[12:23] <thompa> reboot
[12:24] <UFO> if you do manual partition in install you got everything in media directory automatic... you need to do only the linux partitions and everything else is done for you
[12:24] <UFO> one for root and one swap
[12:24] <matt24> how do I run an install in super user
[12:24] <matt24> what is that
[12:25] <thompa> UFO: i did manula partition, i want to access ntfs and my ipod as a usb hard drive
[12:25] <Psi-Jack> Okay, how do I list files a package owns?
[12:25] <UFO> so arent the ntfs in media directory?
[12:25] <thompa> let me look
[12:26] <thompa> no i got 3 cdroms though
[12:27] <UFO> thompa: hmm... maybe it came from other installation... because i had suse before and used those partitions
[12:27] <thompa> its not in fstab is the first problem
[12:27] <thompa> UFO:  its the only problem i have with kubuntu
[12:28] <thompa> most other distros will give me /hda1 ntfs and even automount ipod
[12:28] <thompa> i like kubuntu cause its tidy though
[12:28] <UFO> thompa: /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[12:28] <thompa> ok ill try that
[12:29] <UFO> thompa: change the hda1 thing to your partitions... it may be something else
[12:29] <thompa> the forum has about 12 different ways to do add ntfs some pages long
[12:29] <thompa> mines hda1
[12:29] <thompa> thanks
[12:30] <thompa> UFO:  can i add the ipod the same way?
[12:30] <thompa> i want it only as a hard drive
[12:30] <UFO> how do you connect the ipod... usb?
[12:30] <NetGeek> I'm having some crashes with KDE 3.5.1, mostly in Kcontrol and konquer
[12:31] <thompa> yes usb
[12:31] <UFO> thompa: i really havent been using ipod but i could try with my digikamera if you need some information of usb drives
[12:31] <thompa> thats ok, im going to add a line for usb
[12:31] <thompa> i think that will work
[12:32] <matt24> can someone help me run the ati config
[12:32] <thompa> i just need to create a directory in media or something for it
[12:32] <thompa> thanks
[12:32] <UFO> thompa: there is also nice tool in system-settings--->disk-filesystems for mounting and so on...
[12:34] <thompa> cool ill take a look,
[12:34] <thompa> sudo mount -a gives me /media/hda1 does not exist
[12:35] <thompa> im going to reboot maybe
[12:35] <UFO> no you dont only reason for reboot is kernel change
[12:35] <UFO> oops... :)
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> How do I get it so when I open a File Manager konq profile, it doesn't load it as a tab of my Web Browser profile?
[12:40] <matt24> hello, whats the command for testing 3d
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> glxgears?
[12:41] <matt24> whys it so slow
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> Because you don't have X setup to use the accelerated driver you need?
[12:42] <Psi-Jack> Is it slow and jerky, or just decent and smooth?
[12:42] <matt24> decent and smooth
[12:42] <nikita> hey =) I ran "apt-get upgrade" and now there are no keyboard layouts in the Control Centre. O_o how can i get them back? i need my cyrillic layout :D
[12:44] <thompa> UFO: i used the automount script,  wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter
[12:44] <thompa> worked great
[12:45] <UFO> ok. good
[12:45] <thompa> now i need to do usb devices and im all go
[12:46] <thompa> !usb
[12:46] <ubotu> thompa: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:46] <nikita> !layout
[12:46] <ubotu> nikita: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:46] <Psi-Jack> If I load up Konqueror for web browsing, and then load up a konqueror file browsing, the file browsing one adds itself as a new tab to the web browser. However, if I load up a file browser, THEN a web browser, they remain seperated.   How do I fix it so that this does not happen for the first part? I want them seperate.
[12:49] <nikita> does anybody know at least is there any utilites that can help to configure the keyboard, fix the problem?
[12:52] <UFO> nikita: look in system-settings--->regional...
[12:53] <Psi-Jack> Grrr.
[12:53] <Psi-Jack> Where the crap is the kmenueditor? :/
[12:53] <Psi-Jack> In t he kmenu, that is. heh
[12:53] <nikita> UFO: that's the problem. i go in there i open this page where the list of layouts should be and there is nothinh in there and that happened right after the upgrade
[12:53] <nikita> UFO: =(
[12:56] <Psi-Jack> *sighs*
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> Why does Kubuntu hack up KDE so much that it makes some things just annoying as heck?
[12:57] <UFO> Psi-Jack: linux for humans
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> This is IN-humane!
[12:58] <UFO> Psi-Jack: yes im thinking like that too...
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> Ripping out the Konqueror (File Manager), KMenuEdit, and such, is /not/ very nice.
[12:59] <UFO> the kmenu... it can be started on console
[12:59] <zblach|away|> Psi-Jack, what the heck Kubuntu are you running?
[12:59] <zblach> what /msg NickServ IDENTIFY zakreeb
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> zblach: Breezy, of course.
[01:00] <zblach> Breezy, right?
[01:00] <zblach> to avoid weirdness like that, I just ran a server install, and then sudo apt-got kubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh, really?
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> That's an odd way to get around it. heh
[01:01] <zblach> yeah. worked wonders
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> May have to do that if/when I put Kubuntu on my main HDD. I'm just on my spare, right now, testing things out.
[01:02] <zblach> ok, another thing to keep in mind is to add the KDE 3.5.1 repos
[01:02] <zblach> moved straight to that from command line
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> So, you actually have the File Manager, and Menu Editor both in your KMenu, where they're supposed to be?
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Right.
[01:03] <zblach> yeah, i guess
[01:03] <zblach> i just katapault them
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> I'll be putting my apt sources.list onto my usb drive. ;)
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Would you check? :p
[01:03] <zblach> ?
[01:03] <zblach> sure
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Not under Actions, on the base KMenu.
[01:04] <zblach> yeah, so, Konquerer, KMenu, ...
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> But under System,  or Utilities, you should, by standard KDE, have a "Konqeror (File Manager)" or similar entry.
[01:04] <UFO> Psi-Jack: type kmenuedit in console and do your menu
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> UFO: D'uh.
[01:04] <zblach> yup. all there
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> Well, mutha fracker!
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> By Kubuntu taking those things out the WAY they did, they make it so that one can't bind a hotkey to them. Like I wanted to make a WIN+E shortcut to load Konquerer's File Manager.
[01:06] <zblach> i can't help with hotkeys. i borked my keyboard entirely
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> I know how to do hotkeys.
[01:06] <thompa> !kernel
[01:06] <zblach> know how to re-enable Ctrl+Alt+F# for terminals?
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> It's just I'm pissed that simple things, Kubuntu devs don't think about that are important.
[01:06] <zblach> !kernel
[01:07] <jackel> Hey i have a question. If i install an optimized 64bit kernel with a 32bit kubuntu distro will it work?
[01:07] <UFO> thompa: stil problems with ipod
[01:07] <thompa> Psi_jack: i agree
[01:07] <thompa> whats the latest kernel version
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> I think I'll file a bug report to kubuntu about it. I'm P.O'd enough about it to do so.
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> 2.6.15, I think.
[01:07] <thompa> im running 2.6.12-10
[01:07] <UFO> thompa: look in kernel.org
[01:07] <thompa> i mean for kubuntu updates
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> 2.6.12-10
[01:07] <thompa> ok thanks
[01:08] <UFO> thompa: there is help for ipod http://www.ubuntux.org/how-to-use-an-ipod-with-ubuntu
[01:08] <thompa> UFO: no i cant seem to get my ipod
[01:08] <thompa> ok thanks
[01:08] <jackel>  Hey i have a question. If i install an optimized 64bit kernel with a 32bit kubuntu distro will it work?
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> I wish there was a Kubuntu dev here, right now, so I could reem them. :)
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> jackel: Do you have a 64bit CPU?
[01:08] <jackel> yes
[01:08] <thompa> its not really ipod, its mounting external usb hard drive as sda1
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. Should work, then.
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> You just wouldn't get muhc out of it.
[01:09] <thompa> i dont care about the music crap
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> jackel: AMD64, yes?
[01:09] <jackel> yeah
[01:09] <jackel> but the distro im using is 32bit
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> Okay, yeah, you'd be fine, Just wouldn't do much until you got 64bit-compiled apps. :)
[01:10] <jackel> it's better than the regular k7 kernels right?
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, truely.
[01:10] <UFO> thompa: to mount it
[01:10] <thompa> UFO: I should be able to just add ipod as a fat32
[01:10] <UFO> thompa: /dev/sdc2 /media/iPod vfat nosuid,noauto,nodev,rw,umask=077,gid=1000,uid=1000,user,defaults,noatime,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[01:10] <jackel> ok ty
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> That's the nice thing about AMD64. :)
[01:10] <thompa> ok let me try that
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> Real 32-bit native support.
[01:10] <thompa> my ipod has my /home directory backed up on it, is why i need it
[01:11] <jackel> i'm trying to install cedega so im just following the wiki :P
[01:11] <UFO> thompa: hmm..... pretty smart
[01:11] <thompa> UFO: i thought it should be sda1
[01:11] <coolio10> anyone know how i can get higher resolution?
[01:12] <thompa> coolio10: what do you have now?
[01:12] <coolio10> right now im using vesa because choosing nvidia brakes xserver
[01:12] <UFO> !nvidia
[01:12] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[01:12] <thompa> coolio10: vesa i think is only good to 24
[01:12] <thompa> coolio10: did you install nvidia-glx?
[01:12] <coolio10> i have 1024X768
[01:12] <thompa> oh that
[01:13] <thompa> i just add it to xorg.conf
[01:13] <slow-motion> n8
[01:13] <coolio10> wheres that lcoated?
[01:13] <thompa> go to /etc/X11
[01:13] <thompa> edit xorg.conf
[01:14] <thompa> change the area where is 1024x768 to your monitor characteristics
[01:14] <Nomad411> to give the group owber Write on a set of subfolders and files, don,t I just do a chmod -R +gw *
[01:14] <Nomad411> group owner
[01:14] <thompa> i use vim, but you can use gedit or whatever
[01:14] <zblach> kedit
[01:14] <thompa> or kedit
[01:15] <Psi-Jack> g? Remove all g from your memory banks. It's all k. :)
[01:15] <UFO> thompa: you could look at /etc/mtab for your ipod i think...
[01:15] <thompa> coolio10: also right click on kde desktop, choose configure desktop. display, see what that says
[01:16] <matt24> Hello, I think I have my sti drivers installed
[01:16] <matt24> can someone help me for a min
[01:16] <matt24> please
[01:16] <coolio10> it lists all the reses possible and still only lists 3
[01:16] <thompa> UFO: i know its connected cause its charging, ill try the fstab line first, thanks
[01:16] <Nomad411> arghh.. got it
[01:17] <UFO> thompa: the mtab could tell the right device name
[01:17] <thompa> coolio10: what are your monitor's optimum resolutions
[01:17] <thompa> coolio10: you need to add it to xorg.conf
[01:19] <thompa> coolio10: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[01:19] <thompa> could that be it?
[01:20] <thompa> no that just tells me usb is ready
[01:20] <matt24> just finsihed installing the ati drivers. but I am getting mesa drivers when I do fglrxinfo
[01:20] <matt24> what could be the problem
[01:33] <lazybug> how do i control udp in firestarter?
[01:46] <_douglas> On my dell laptop, in the bios I have lcd monitor expansion enabled but when I play a game like ut2004 or change resolutions in linux, it doesn't expand to fit the monitor?
[01:47] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek_zzz: ping
[01:47] <_douglas> ???
[01:53] <dcwckd> hey guys
[01:53] <dcwckd> anyone around?
[01:53] <UFO> yes
[01:53] <dcwckd> fixed my problem
[01:54] <brydenn> yes
[01:54] <dcwckd> ok, xine engine will register w32 codecs, but gstreamer wont
[01:54] <dcwckd> any idea why
[01:55] <brydenn> anyone here have experience using KBFX?
[01:55] <brydenn> i need some help with that fuckn app
[01:55] <thoreauputic> different plugin architecture for gstreamer I think
[01:55] <Hobbsee> brydenn: language
[01:55] <brydenn> yah yah Hobbsee
[01:56] <brydenn> lol
[01:56] <brydenn> stop being a wuss lmfao
[01:56] <brydenn> ;)
[01:56] <brydenn> ya know, i wonder something....
[01:56] <brydenn> why does an IRC channel have to be so G rated
[01:56] <brydenn> i mean... how many 17 and unders actually use IRC?
[01:56] <brydenn> lmfao
[01:57] <Hobbsee> well, apart from the fact that i am one, and know many others - often people's language is offensive to people in different cultures
[01:57] <brydenn> its just launguage anyway
[01:57] <Hobbsee> and that has a tendancy to start arguments, and whatever
[01:57] <brydenn> well i'm not using racially derogitory language Hobbsee
[01:57] <brydenn> never would
[01:57] <Hobbsee> brydenn: case in point - what country are you in?
[01:57] <brydenn> USA
[01:57] <brydenn> :)
[01:57] <brydenn> Oregon to be exact
[01:58] <brydenn> west coast of the USA
[01:58] <brydenn> we're a little more libral over here
[01:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, well there's a phrase in the aussie language, i've forgotten what it is right now, and it's fine here - no one even thinks of it as offensive.  Yet if you say the same phrase in the UK, even completely accidently, and they get so offended
[01:59] <brydenn> lol really
[01:59] <brydenn> i wonder what it is
[01:59] <Hobbsee> *shrugs* - it's just common courtesy
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i've unfortunately forgotten it right this second
[01:59] <brodel> has anyone here installed kbfx?
[01:59] <brydenn> i have brodel
[01:59] <Hobbsee> brydenn's having fun trying
[01:59] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:59] <brydenn> hey now Hobbsee
[01:59] <brydenn> i installed it
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:59] <brodel> yeah.. well I'm not having fun, but I'm trying :(
[01:59] <brydenn> getting it to work like its supposed to is another story
[02:00] <brydenn> yah brodel
[02:00] <brydenn> its a pain in the @$$
[02:00] <brydenn> i got it to work, kind of
[02:00] <brodel> anyway, I got this.. "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[02:00] <brydenn> like i got it to replace the KDE button
[02:00] <brodel> kakashi sensei is back :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[02:01] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[02:01] <Hobbsee> brodel: ^
[02:01] <brodel> roger that. thanks
[02:01] <brydenn> yah go download your dependancies
[02:01] <brydenn> :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:01] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: ahh yes, hi just for a bit..
[02:02] <brydenn> Hobbsee and beefsprocket have always been my friendly helpers when i've ran into kubuntu trouble
[02:02] <brydenn> ok guys, girl is here ;)
[02:02] <brydenn> bbl
[02:02] <brydenn> hehe
[02:04] <lazybug> how do i control udp in firestarter?
[02:04] <freeflying-ibook> how to play mp3 file on kubuntu-ppc
[02:04] <hatake_kakashi> anyone ever migrated the debian packages from one to another without having to install kubuntu and download the files all over again?
[02:04] <brodel> yeah.. I always see Hobbsee in here.
[02:04] <hatake_kakashi> freeflying-ibook: you need akode-mpeg
[02:04] <hatake_kakashi> !mp3
[02:04] <Glin|Jol> Winamp not Running
[02:04] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:04] <Hobbsee> brodel: hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> my holidays end soon, then i'll be at uni
[02:05] <freeflying-ibook> hatake_kakashi: why need akode-mpeg ?
[02:05] <hatake_kakashi> freeflying-ibook: check what ubotu said :)
[02:05] <brodel> Hobbsee, LjL, and nalioth are normally on when I am here.
[02:05] <mr-russ> hatake_kakashi: what are you trying to say about debain?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehe - nalioth stays on the entire time that i'm here though
[02:05] <brodel> does kubuntu run on the new intel basked ibooks or imacs?
[02:06] <brodel> verizon sucks.. I told them my DSL was slow and I was running linux they said they don't support it and I'd have to get on a windows PC before they would help.
[02:06] <__mikem> try running a live cd in it to find out brodel
[02:07] <hatake_kakashi> mr-russ: kubuntu uses deb packages.. ok I'm trying to make this short.. I need to be able to backup any relevant updates, etc that I have had done and that I want it to work when I reinstall without having to download all those packages that I have previously downloaded again
[02:07] <brodel> __mikem: I don't have one.. but I've been thinking about it. I want one that runs XP, OSX and kubuntu
[02:07] <thoreauputic> brodel: as far as I know no linux runs on macintel yet
[02:07] <Hobbsee> *nalioth stays here all the time, i mean
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: i think you end up backing up all of / and copying it over somehow
[02:07] <__mikem> IF you want to use kubuntu, I recomend installing ubuntu first then installing the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:08] <Hobbsee> __mikem: why?
[02:08] <__mikem> because the kubuntu cd itself doesn't come with a lot of software preloaded
[02:08] <__mikem> ubuntu does
[02:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, not all the gnome stuff - but it still comes with a lot of the kde stuff
[02:08] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: well, that isn't a good idea, I would be happy if I can backup all those packages that I have got because that way I don't need to re-download all over again
[02:08] <Hobbsee> oh....
[02:08] <__mikem> Doesn't have any games on it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> you want *that*
[02:08] <__mikem> you have to get those manually
[02:08] <Hobbsee> __mikem: yeah, that always annoyed me - install kdegames
[02:09] <__mikem> I did
[02:09] <__mikem> but it should be preloaded
[02:09] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I have troubles with ubuntu, Gnome does not support my usb keyboard/mouse well.. I tried it on the hoary and the breezy (unstable) version
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: you want the files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:09] <Hobbsee> __mikem: but then so should everything, and the system just becomes all bloated like mandriva
[02:09] <__mikem> ubuntu lacks usb support, but I think they are planing to work with that
[02:09] <brodel> oh bah.. now I have another error :( "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[02:09] <__mikem> hobbsee good point
[02:09] <brodel> lacks usb support?
[02:10] <__mikem> but they could also atleast preconfigure bintools and gcc for you
[02:10] <brodel> I have usb things..
[02:10] <Hobbsee> brodel: install kde-devel
[02:10] <brodel> I thought I already installed that.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> __mikem: why - most people dont compile?  besides, once you get one bit of devel stuff, you end up needing more and more
[02:10] <__mikem> I learned that the hard way with my laptop
[02:10] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: yeah last time I copied all those files and the apt-get fails to read from that place first.. I was later told in #debian that there is an index file. I also checked that it was on the parent directory of that. My question is, if I copy all those files plus the indexes, should I be set? or do I have to get something else? I don't want to download all those packages again or mess with dpkg to make sure that it works
[02:11] <__mikem> its a mess right now
[02:11] <brodel> nevermind.. no way I installed that massive package
[02:11] <Hobbsee> brodel: check it - otherwise you'll have to specify where it is
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:11] <brodel> I still don't get linux yet.. you gotta install 80 things to have one thing you want.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:11] <__mikem> Thats the one complaint my brother has about linux and he fancies himself a linux guru
[02:12] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I have tried ubuntu and I definetly like the somewhat meaner UI (somewhat faster) however, I would be happy if the USB products are supported because the mobo I have is sh*t. PS/2 ports are fscked
[02:12] <Hobbsee> brodel: well, use apt-cache show packagename, and get the names of the packages that you want inside
[02:12] <__mikem> he could easily be one of those guys that sells linux teck support
[02:12] <UFO> brodel: you got allready 1000 things with windows you dont want and cant get rid of it
[02:12] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: it has many dependencies, they are all individual little packages
[02:12] <brodel> I wish I was good with linux.. but I don't see how you guys just know what one thing means.. like I say here's the error and you tell me to install this
[02:12] <__mikem> hatake I believe the nice ubuntu developers should have that worked out by the next release
[02:12] <__mikem> thats what I heard on the message boards
[02:13] <brodel> yeah, but if windows needs something it's in the package :)
[02:13] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: its all trial and error + reading some of the debug info and/or checking with support :)
[02:13] <brodel> oh well. I want to get away from windows
[02:13] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: cool, sounds good
[02:13] <brodel> people at work think I'm nuts
[02:13] <thoreauputic> brodel: use the package manager, LUke!
[02:13] <__mikem> I had a problem with a webgear wireless addapter which is STILL UNSUPPORTED by linux
[02:13] <brodel> LUke?
[02:13] <__mikem> "net gear" rather
[02:13] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: nope, you're just unique :) I'm the only one linux user in my shared accomodation (amonst 6 other people who run linux)
[02:13] <thoreauputic> brodel: as in "Use the force"
[02:14] <brodel> I just do sudo aptitude install *whateverpeopleinkubuntusay*
[02:14] <Hobbsee> __mikem: not even with ndiswrapper?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:14] <__mikem> I didn't try that, it looked to iffy for my liking
[02:14] <Hobbsee> __mikem: what model's the wireless adapter?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> i just set up a netgear wg511 v2 card
[02:15] <brodel> kakashi, yeah.. it kind of sucks though. I like having someone to learn with like I did when I first got into PCs.
[02:15] <__mikem> I don't know I don't have it in front of me right now, I am running a live cd on my laptop
[02:15] <__mikem> desktop rather
[02:15] <Hobbsee> __mikem: if you want some help with it, i'll happily help you - ndiswrapper is actually a *lot* easier than it sound
[02:15] <brodel> Now I'm all alone as a linux user. No one at work will touch it.. my friends who are techies are scared of it.. :(
[02:15] <UFO> brodel: type in console apt-get install libqt3-headers
[02:15] <__mikem> Not necessary right now
[02:15] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: lemme give you one piece of important advice. When you get desparate for certain files to work, etc. Do not rely constantly on having universe/multiverse enabled just for you to do your requirements. I have done that not long ago and now I end up having to reinstall a whole bunch of things again because the WM/DE fails to work
[02:15] <brodel> it's still doing what Hobbsee told me to do..
[02:16] <Hobbsee> libqt3 headers will be in kde-devel
[02:16] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: we all have to have somewhere to start :) at least you made your move away from the usual pack
[02:16] <Hobbsee> brodel: i know where you come from - dad was in here this morning swearing at me because i run linux
[02:16] <brodel> I have no idea what that means kakashi.. I know I have those repos enabled.. but no idea why that's bad.
[02:16] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: eh, so am I, I need to find out a way to backup all my previous download to prevent me from doing it all over again
[02:17] <__mikem> um, if you are connected to a lan, just drop all your files off on the server
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: did you ever run non-official repos?
[02:17] <__mikem> thats what I do
[02:17] <brodel> my boss has pretty much told me that they'll never be a reason for me to learn linux at least not while working there.. that discouraged me a bit.
[02:18] <UFO> Hobbsee: yes but you really dont need that for compiling some software for your desktop... thats development ide
[02:18] <ragna> !avi
[02:18] <ubotu> I heard avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:18] <brodel> ok that's done.. let me retry this.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> UFO: i'm of the opinion of "if you're into compiling things, you may as well get a whole heap of the devel packages in one hit, as there are plenty that you have to get singly, so you only get as you need them
[02:19] <__mikem> A bit of a change in subject but I would like someones take on this. I am a big kde fan, I think its great that a product that has such a heavy focus on nice appearance still runs well also
[02:19] <brodel> woot.. configure finished
[02:19] <Hobbsee> brodel: yay!
[02:19] <__mikem> One thing I would say though is, the way the kubuntu desktop packages are configured makes it extremely hard if nt imposible to customize it.
[02:19] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: each little package has a dependency for another. If you get some files that belongs to Gnome side of things, apt-get may also get other Gnome dependencies. When you keep working towards it, you will soon realise that you have a whole bunch of files that came from universe/multiverse depos and that your system build is completely odd. I was trying to get mplayer to work from source and to get all the support that it has from kubuntu
[02:20] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: nope, they are all kubuntu packages, however I just have universe/multiverse enabled to get various things to work. I realised that I kinda made another mistake yet again
[02:20] <UFO> Hobbsee: actually im doing exactly same... but most of people doesnt need all the things come when installs kde-devel
[02:20] <Hobbsee> __mikem: there's a lot of work being done on the configuration of kubuntu - i agree, it's horrible now.
[02:21] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: the UI look and feel?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i'm not doing that work, so i cant tell you exactly, but after your thursday you can read a transcript of a meeting that will say what's being done to be changed
[02:21] <brodel> I didn't like ubuntu later on I think I realized I just didn't care for gnome.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> and people will vote on what should be changed, and what shouldnt
[02:21] <__mikem> Oh, the look and feel is great (as always with kde) its just the customization and lack of control features
[02:21] <brodel> because I ran kubuntu and that's all I want to run.
[02:22] <prospero2006> Do I have to restart X to make file associations kick in. --mp3 defaults to audacity
[02:22] <FunnyLookinHat> !codecs
[02:22] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[02:22] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: heh, its small little things that you want to get to work and that it is not part of the main packages. That's where things may get iffy
[02:22] <FunnyLookinHat> !easysource
[02:22] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:22] <__mikem> I am not a big gnome fan either, but I must say ubuntu really does gnome justice and I am sort of warming up to it, all though kde is still better
[02:23] <__mikem> the only real thing I have about kde in general is that it is still reminicent of windows
[02:23] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: ahh ok, I thought you cannot customise those UI look and feel easily. I was about to suggest kpersonalizer but that may mess around with settings that you don't want to see
[02:23] <prospero2006> !easysource
[02:23] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:23] <prospero2006> !help
[02:24] <__mikem> !bot
[02:24] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> dapper mirrors are so slow today....argh!
[02:24] <__mikem> Two words hob, bit torrent
[02:24] <brodel> one day I hope I understand better what it is I am doing..  There was this process called 'gam-server' which somewhat bogged various things down
[02:24] <brodel> I hate bein a noob.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> __mikem: this is the standard updates - not downloading a daily cd :P
[02:25] <brodel> I feel like my mom when I tell her to go to the desktop and she tells me she doesn't have a desktop.
[02:25] <hatake_kakashi> brodel: heh, everyone has to start somewhere
[02:25] <__mikem> o
[02:25] <Hobbsee> brodel: you learn it lol - check out !cli for some basic stuff
[02:26] <__mikem> hatake_kakashi kde and gnome are aimed at two totally different audiances. GNOME is for power users who don't need a lot of automation to get their computer to work, KDE is for people who like things done for them and think there should be a tool for everything
[02:26] <__mikem> I sort of fall inbetween these two definite classifications so some times when I am using my laptop I will load kde, and other times I will use gnome (I have both installed) its just how I feel that day
[02:27] <brodel> aww man.. I just got a bunch of errors.. no idea what it's talkin about!
[02:27] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I use various unsupported packages such as gkrellm and I saw once 'gam_server' took up around 10% of the CPU usage. Whenever I press the direction keys on the keyboard, the CPU usage rockets from ~10% to almost 100% for a short burst before the display comes out.. eg. I use irssi to chat, if I wanted to see what I wrote last, I press up on the keyboard to see what I said last. However with gam-server, it uses CPU usage to a certain
[02:27] <rich0rd> to start a flamwar __mikem: linus thinks gnome is not good because they are hiding to much configuration issues
[02:28] <rich0rd> he called the gnome developers "interface nazis"
[02:28] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I know what you mean.. however gnome and kde are just part of the diverse amount of WM/DE there are out there
[02:28] <rich0rd> go xfce go!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:28] <__mikem> rich0rd most people who use gnome are people who are not affraid to fire up the terminal window
[02:28] <Hobbsee> __mikem: ditto for a lot of kde people, really
[02:29] <__mikem> most people who use kde think text mode should just die already
[02:29] <__mikem> atleast thats my impression
[02:29] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: what do you mean by that?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> sure, some do
[02:29] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: running konsole on KDE?
[02:29] <__mikem> I mean, you don't like it
[02:29] <__mikem> you can do it
[02:29] <Hobbsee> but it's a lot easier to configure by cli in some cases
[02:29] <__mikem> but you prefere not to
[02:29] <__mikem> like hobsee said
[02:30] <Hobbsee> see my wireless network havoc for details
[02:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:30] <__mikem> I guess a better way to put it is gnome users are masokistic
[02:30] <__mikem> they prefere to do things the hard way
[02:30] <brodel> anyone tell me what's happening here? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/553689
[02:30] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that anyone really wants to do things the hard way
[02:31] <hatake_kakashi> well, I had to deal things the hardway long before kubuntu came into light. Most of the time on my various other distros I spend my time on a real tty
[02:31] <__mikem> hobbsee I write windows applications in assembly language for fun, so you really can't tell me that
[02:31] <rich0rd> brodel: it seems, that there are headers missing
[02:31] <Hobbsee> well, most people then :P
[02:31] <__mikem> hatake yes but I am sure you sighed a great sigh of relief when you discovered kubuntu
[02:31] <__mikem> or kde
[02:31] <rich0rd> rich0rd: assure that you have the -dev packages installed you need for this
[02:32] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well, somewhat. That's the other side of the long story short for me :) my longer aim is to move on to another one
[02:32] <brodel> rich0rd: you mean me with the dev packages?
[02:32] <__mikem> Progress hat progress
[02:32] <rich0rd> brodel: yes
[02:33] <rich0rd> damn i wrote my name ... time to go to bed?
[02:33] <Knowerrors> after installing new drives or partitions, is there a way to get fstab auto populated?  My second harddrive and my windows partition on first drive aren't recognized
[02:33] <brodel> I installed what the tut and hobbsee told me to have installed? anything I should check for?
[02:33] <__mikem> Speaking of progress hatake did you get that comment I made about writing windows apps in asm
[02:33] <bimberi> rich0rd: i do that - even after a good nights sleep :P
[02:33] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yeah I did
[02:33] <rich0rd> brodel: some dev packages, if you installed some binary packes you probably miss the headers (or -dev packages for it)
[02:34] <__mikem> I just wanted to hear abillion people say I was crazy when I said that, but I guess that didn't happen
[02:34] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: but both CLI and GUI have their advantages as well as their disadvantages
[02:34] <rich0rd> brodel: what packages did you install?
[02:34] <__mikem> GUI is definitely good for managing servers, especially when you need real time data monitoring
[02:35] <__mikem> CLI is good when having to navigate a billion menus becomes to cumbersome
[02:35] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I learned to respect CLI the hardway.. back in the days of win9x was around, I was known to crash it very easily by messing around with regedit. Usual people at that time would freak out if their win9x stopped working and that they are switched to DOS
[02:35] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'm fricken impressed. Kubuntu's LDAP server handles full proper LDAPv3 binding.
[02:35] <brodel> kde-devel, kdevelop, kdevelop3-dev
[02:35] <brodel> checkinstall..
[02:35] <__mikem> hatake I am sure YOU were not the reason win9x crashed
[02:35] <__mikem> lol
[02:35] <__mikem> get it
[02:35] <brodel> that's all I think.
[02:36] <brodel> I barely remember 98
[02:36] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yes, but then I realised that CLI was another way for me to get along with the OS, apart from all 'point-and-click' interface :)
[02:37] <y_o_u> hey all. anyone here have any experience with installing icon packs in kubuntu, rather troubleshooting installations?
[02:37] <__mikem> A lot of tools sort of merge the two, they take the best of GUI (real time data monitoring, etc) and merge it with the best of CLI (quickness and eligance)
[02:37] <__mikem> the best example of this is the process viewer
[02:37] <__mikem> which allows you to launch monitor and kill any running process
[02:38] <Hobbsee> now of course, when you run a development release and lose X, it's very useful to be able to semi-navigate in CLI!
[02:38] <__mikem> Yes granted
[02:38] <__mikem> in the programming world where I feel most at home, I never use wysiwyg editors, because I could never really get along with them
[02:38] <__mikem> I always write my code by hand
[02:39] <__mikem> ofcourse not many wysiwyg editors are available for c/c++ or assembly
[02:39] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: hehe top and iptraf
[02:39] <__mikem> and you have people running around with these editors and code generators, claiming to be programmers and they have no idea how to write code
[02:39] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: lol
[02:40] <__mikem> WHich brings up the other problem which is that it induces lazyness
[02:40] <rich0rd> brodel: assure that you have kdevelop3-dev  installed
[02:40] <__mikem> like when vb came out. WRiting software is fun and esay, yippee. "GReat but your software has limited functionality, requires all these runtime libraries that are hard to get, runs slow and basicly sucks"
[02:41] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: sounds somewhat like C to me where you needed to get the various stdlib etc
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> __mikem: wow! that does sound fun AND easy!
[02:41] <__mikem> lol
[02:42] <__mikem> yeh, but the vb programmers really were never taken serious
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> they were bagged as virus creators and such
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> though some progressed onto other languages
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> Wonder why that is?
[02:42] <__mikem> I still don't know why delphi didn't do as well in the market place as vb
[02:42] <_richard2> someone now about macromedia studio for linux?
[02:43] <__mikem> pascal is a tried and true language, basic has known performance issues, (all though today its a different story)
[02:43] <__mikem> why didn't delphi become the rad tool of choice
[02:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Would you guys recommend using Automatix?
[02:44] <rich0rd> brodel: i think i found it
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> python == the new basic that's kinda like C.
[02:44] <rich0rd> brodel: kdbg
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> LeeJunFan: Microsoft created Visual Basic which allows new users to make simple little snippets of codes to make their windows OS work for them. However as soon as script-kiddies found that was a method to exploit other windows machines and that you can created with ease. It was somewhat their weapon of choice, of course VB later on became popular for its easiness as well as the ability to cause havoc
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> FunnyLookinHat: hell no
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> !automatix
[02:44] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[02:44] <__mikem> Power Basic, and FRee basic actually produce exe files that run about as fast as ones created in c++
[02:45] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh dang, too late.
[02:45] <__mikem> interestingly enough
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> hatake_kakashi: thanks for that, but I was being sarchastic :)
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> LeeJunFan: blah, oh well
[02:45] <rich0rd> red bull for the win!
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> I should have used my sarchasm emoticons :)
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh
[02:45] <brodel> I installed kdbg.. still get same errors though
[02:45] <hatake_kakashi> LeeJunFan: yeah that'd be good :) I don't take sarcasms easily.. unless maybe you use ;)
[02:46] <rich0rd> brodel: damn it seems, that a header file is missing
[02:46] <__mikem> ANyway, mean while steve hutchenson and randyll hide (the assembly language masters if you will) are sitting aroud with their age old methods while everyone else chants assembly language is dead
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> !easy
[02:46] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> !easy-ubuntu
[02:46] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, hatake_kakashi
[02:46] <__mikem> prety soon, the languages of today will be dead and replaced by even higher level languages, and eventually those will be dead
[02:46] <__mikem> and then soon we won't even need programmerx
[02:47] <rich0rd> __mikem: that's an illusion
[02:47] <__mikem> rich0rd whats an illusion
[02:47] <rich0rd> __mikem, that soon we won't need programmers
[02:47] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: ASM is still somewhat alive and kicking. I know what you mean but people are addicted to the candy UI world. As machines get faster, sloppy programming practices as well as candy features will probably become the new standard
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> Hey, I'm just trying out KDE now, and I'm trying to figure out how to install a theme (.tar.gz).  I found the theme manager, but it doesn't show the file as a "theme-type" file, so it doesn't show up in the selector.  How does this work?
[02:48] <__mikem> hatake I am sorry, I get pationate about this, because I work my buns off learning th elow level stuff while all the people who do nothing but drag and drop get all the credit
[02:48] <brodel> I downloaded a deb file that might install this thing.. I can't figure out how to install it via the deb though
[02:48] <__mikem> "the low level"
[02:49] <Hobbsee> !deb
[02:49] <ubotu> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:49] <fuzzy_eyebrows> thanks :)
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I know what you mean :) ASM is still very powerful. Take a look at menuetOS. Its an OS with GUI that is very small.. it fits on a floppy!
[02:49] <__mikem> WRiten in asm I presume, see people don't realize can be done with a little extra effort
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: best of all, that OS is fully written in ASM
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> true
[02:50] <__mikem> THe only problem with low level programming of any kind is always portability
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> but ASM is very specific. Eg. there is different ASM codes and handles (I think) for x86, sparc, ppc, etc
[02:50] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: should be able to be installed from the colours section of system settings
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> yes
[02:50] <__mikem> That is really a can of worms in itself so lets avoid that topic
[02:51] <__mikem> lol
[02:51] <hatake_kakashi> hence that could be the reason why linux kinda relies on C with a bit of ASM magic (well for x86 I saw there was ASM coding for kernel 2.4.x)
[02:51] <__mikem> I can't believe this, we went from kde to asm by some nefarious rout
[02:51] <__mikem> you got to live inline asm
[02:52] <hatake_kakashi> bimberi: I will join back later, I need to solve this problem of mine sooner than later :)
[02:52] <rich0rd> i think in brainfuck
[02:52] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: inline asm?
[02:52] <__mikem> some compilers allow you to mix asm code with a higher level language aka c/c++
[02:52] <__mikem> they call that inline asm
[02:53] <__mikem> gcc supports it
[02:53] <bimberi> hatake_kakashi: no, i mean it would be watching all this lovely offtopic discussion happening here </hint>
[02:53] <fuzzy_eyebrows> ..
[02:53] <fuzzy_eyebrows> kbfx is so not what I thought it was haha
[02:53] <hatake_kakashi> bimberi: ahh
[02:53] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: yeah I noticed that
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Okay, will look.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:55] <rich0rd> __mikem it was your fault talking about high and low level stuff
[02:56] <xored> hello guys. I used the 12er kerne ( breezy, selfebacked) to run wirelesslan with WPA on my intel pro wifi chipset ( ipw2200). Therfore i compiled ipw2200 and iee myself on installed the firmware and it works and working. Now iam switching to 15-4 to have suspend2, but i cannot get the ip2200 to connect to my WPA.  I can't open it again
[02:57] <matt24> can someone help
[02:58] <Hobbsee> no, there are more effective forms on irc lol
[02:58] <matt24> is there a crlt+alt+del for linux
[02:58] <__mikem> nope just tried it
[02:58] <__mikem> nothing happened
[02:58] <__mikem> theres control c though
[02:58] <__mikem> but I think thats for the command line only
[03:00] <hatake_kakashi> matt24: Ctrl+Esc
[03:00] <rich0rd> matt24: you could use ctrl+alt+entf to restart X
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: entf?
[03:01] <rich0rd> matt24: del hehe
[03:01] <bimberi> duct tape - surely :P
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:01] <bimberi> :P
[03:01] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi - my keyboards are german, so delete is "entfernen"
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (Kills and restarts X, _not_ _recomended_)
[03:01] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: ahh
[03:02] <__mikem> funny story, when I was still learning linux and I wanted to know how to start xwindows, someone said to type startx but they said it in such a way where it sounded like "startch"
[03:02] <__mikem> so after about 5 screen fulls of "startch" I thought, ...
[03:02] <rich0rd> and i mixed it up again - it is backspace
[03:02] <matt24> is the process still running
[03:02] <matt24> how do I check
[03:02] <rich0rd> and it is recommanded as ctrlaltdel is in windows (not at all)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> matt24: top
[03:02] <rich0rd> !ps
[03:02] <ubotu> rich0rd: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:02] <__mikem> ubotu is fun to play with
[03:02] <ubotu> __mikem: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:03] <__mikem> !bot abuse
[03:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, bot abuse is a bannable offense
[03:03] <__mikem> lol
[03:03] <__mikem> se
[03:03] <prospero2006> Devices I have mounted with fstab are stuck to my desktop. Is there any way to get rid of them?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> it is
[03:03] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh, I switched from windows to linux mainly because I realised the advantages. I was a windows power user until it bit me hard that it is so much more fun to mess in linux
[03:04] <__mikem> I hear you, thats what I am going through, I went from being a power user who could handle anything to having to relearn the basics
[03:04] <UFO> hatake_kakashi: yep
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: at that time, when I first started out on linux, I had a habit of running everything as root till I learned it is not fun at all
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh, well, like I say, people have to start somewhere :)
[03:05] <__mikem> I at first ran as root all the time (in windows I always ran as administrater so why not) but I heard to many horror stories about what one simple fat finger on the terminal can do while running as root and decided to stop
[03:06] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: hahaha.. and I remember the days of where people loved to say 'rm -rf /'
[03:07] <__mikem> or sudo rm *.*
[03:07] <__mikem> lol
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> there's many ways to approach it, but yeah
[03:07] <__mikem> lol
[03:07] <__mikem> 100 ways to really f*** up your system
[03:07] <__mikem> lol
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> yup
[03:07] <xored> guys, i can connect through my wpa_supplicant on kernel ..12 with my current ipw2200 drivers, but i cannot do it under 15er.. i updated wpa to 0.5 right now, didnt helped. It seems in the logs, he cannot encrpyt the key, some help ?aac
[03:08] <__mikem> ???
[03:08] <matt24> any way to find out why firefox doesn't load any more
[03:09] <__mikem> Id just do dpkg reconfigure on it
[03:09] <__mikem> that should fix it
[03:09] <matt24> how do I do that
[03:09] <__mikem> dpkg reconfigure <name of package>
[03:09] <arrinmurr> matt24: start it from the terminal and see  what it's saying
[03:09] <__mikem> you may need to run as super user
[03:09] <__mikem> to do this
[03:09] <brodel> didn't know how to redo the taskbar.. had to reboot.. old windows habit :\
[03:10] <__mikem> NO, HES REGRESSING, WE MUST PERFORM THE EXERCISM
[03:10] <__mikem> lol
[03:10] <__mikem> jk
[03:10] <matt24> thats like me... just installed this and never going back to windows xp.  need to learn linux. sorry for being a noob
[03:10] <__mikem> Quite alright, I am a noob also
[03:10] <brodel> wish I could never go back to XP
[03:11] <brodel> I think I'd be fired pretty quickly though..
[03:11] <__mikem> SOme day windows emulators will be 100% functional and we can finally cast away our shackles that microsoft has us chained togeather with
[03:11] <hatake_kakashi> that'll be the day ;)
[03:11] <__mikem> lol
[03:11] <__mikem> one can dream can't he
[03:12] <__mikem> I did get bejeweled 2 to run on ubuntu under wine
[03:12] <matt24> how do I know if wine is installed
[03:13] <matt24> oh my
[03:13] <__mikem> if you didn't install it yourself it aint installed
[03:13] <hatake_kakashi> eh. I had various stream audio players making glitches every so often, so I got foobar2000 to work with wine and linux
[03:13] <hatake_kakashi> !info wine
[03:13] <ubotu> wine: (Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 14130 kB, Installed size: 55488 kB
[03:13] <matt24> why can't I get firefox to run
[03:13] <rich0rd> !info cowsay
[03:13] <ubotu> cowsay: (A configurable talking cow), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 3.03-6 (breezy), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 268 kB
[03:13] <rich0rd> ha
[03:13] <__mikem> hatake tell matt how to do a dpkg reconfigure on firefox
[03:14] <__mikem> I don't remember the name of the package off hand
[03:14] <matt24> yes please help
[03:14] <rich0rd> dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-firefox
[03:14] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: no can do heh, I'm on live-cd (Hoary)
[03:14] <__mikem> oops sorry
[03:14] <rich0rd> i think that should do it
[03:14] <__mikem> if not try sudo dpkg reconfigure mozilla-firefox
[03:15] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: np, I just wanted to see if anyone has tried backing up downloaded packages and indexes for another clean install of kubuntu/ubuntu again
[03:15] <matt24> nope
[03:15] <rich0rd> oops i always use  sudo bash
[03:15] <matt24> still not working
[03:15] <__mikem> hatake are you connected to a lan
[03:15] <rich0rd> what is "it" saying
[03:16] <matt24> nothing
[03:16] <matt24> the little icons bounces and then nothing
[03:16] <rich0rd> matt24: is a process still running?
[03:16] <matt24> have no idea how to check
[03:16] <rich0rd> ps axu| grep firefox
[03:17] <__mikem> the bouncy icon is always a welcome change from the dry and hackneyed hour glass
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: I am, but I hope to not configure another box to be a apt server
[03:17] <__mikem> no, hatake just put all the files you want to keep on the server, (or other machine in case its a p2p) and reload the system
[03:18] <matt24> nothing happened
[03:18] <__mikem> matt, you should atleast see text in the terminal
[03:18] <__mikem> do you have Konsole running
[03:18] <matt24> yup
[03:18] <matt24> nothing coming up
[03:18] <rich0rd> at least one should come up
[03:18] <rich0rd> (the grep=
[03:18] <matt24> nope
[03:19] <__mikem> ok, so, you typed it in and theres just a blank line under
[03:19] <matt24> yuo
[03:19] <rich0rd> press ctrl+d
[03:19] <rich0rd> i think you got the pipe wrong
[03:19] <xored> ok i found the problem. While compiling the new kernel 2.6.15-4 on breezy he fails to compliel ieee wich is needed for the encryption of wpa. How to fix it up ?
[03:19] <__mikem> I would ask you to pastebin the contents of the console window but I don't know how to use pastebin
[03:20] <rich0rd> he could paste it in #flood
[03:20] <__mikem> true
[03:20] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: last time I tried pulling just the packages alone from /var/cache/apt/archives, but apt-get fails to see it even though I put it back in there. I was told that there probably is an index file from a user in #debian. My question is, is there any other files I need to copy apart from the index file and the packages in order to make it work?
[03:20] <matt24> whats going on. any way to fix this
[03:21] <_douglas> Where in KDE is the list of supported resolutions, because on my desktop it lists a whole bunch more that are in my xorg.conf?
[03:21] <__mikem> no, if you need to install multiple packages really quickly when you redo the system, try writing a shell script
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> matt24: what did you do last to make firefox not work?
[03:21] <_douglas> And I would like the same options on my laptop.
[03:21] <__mikem> in windows we would use batch files to do something like this and shell scripts are the rough equivilent
[03:21] <matt24> shut it down. because it locked up
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: blah.. and deal with dpkg? heh its almost like dealing with rpm itself anyway :)
[03:22] <__mikem> rpm yuck
[03:22] <__mikem> um, yeh, but if you are frequently redoing your system, Id say itd be worth it
[03:22] <__mikem> but you do have a point
[03:22] <__mikem> writing the script would be cumbersome
[03:22] <__mikem> the other idea is just to memorize the packages you want and where to get them
[03:23] <rich0rd> !info apt-file
[03:23] <ubotu> apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section universe/base, is optional. Version: 2.0.7ubuntu5 (breezy), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[03:23] <__mikem> rich0rd who was that for
[03:23] <hatake_kakashi> its just that I have downloaded around 1GB of packages and because the ISP I"m with here, has quota cap and it would not be a good idea for me to download them again. Thus having to wait for the packages to be downloaded.
[03:24] <brodel> I'm tired.. goin to bed. thanks for the help all
[03:24] <__mikem> oh, so you want the package managor to recognize a local repository on your system
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well once I reinstalled kubuntu, yes
[03:25] <rich0rd> __mikem : i think there is a way to to that (local repo)
[03:25] <__mikem> I have never tried, I would have burned a cd of all the packages I need and dirrected synpatic to look in drive d
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> last time I tried it, it failed, I was told there might be an index file. However I want to make sure this time round that if I'm doing it again, I want apt-get to make sure that it sees the local cache first
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> blah :/
[03:26] <UFO> hatake_kakashi: why you can use dpkg -i to install the software
[03:26] <prospero2006> I just plugged my camera card reader into ubuntu. It detected it, mounted it, and opened it in a new window.
[03:26] <prospero2006> That's impressive
[03:27] <__mikem> Ubuntu is "da bomb"
[03:27] <hatake_kakashi> UFO: because if I do that, it would be literally dealing with rpm -i. It will complain about the deps, etc. I would be a little happier if apt-get can deal with that for me by reading the stuff from my local repo
[03:27] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: i found a solution for you (in german at least)
[03:28] <_hupp3l> hey, just wanted to thank the guys at ubuntu for adding the BCM43xx driver. thanx
[03:29] <UFO> look into the repository dir and open the index file for the format of it
[03:29] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/apt-offline.html
[03:29] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: ta
[03:29] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: if you need a translation i will try my best
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> UFO: so only the index file and the repository cache?
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: thanks
[03:30] <UFO> you could use the directory like cdrom is in the sources.list
[03:31] <brydenn> ok
[03:31] <brydenn> ;)
[03:32] <brydenn> ok so the question i have to ask again... who here has used KBFX before?
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> well last time I had an user guiding me through it (somewhat) but that failed to work. The user said that there maybe an index file stored.. so I'm hoping this time round doing it again, it will work rather than redownloading packages, wasting time and monthly quota
[03:33] <brydenn> hmm does anyone know of any other programs/applets/etc that I can use to change the kicker and KDE button?
[03:33] <brydenn> cuz KBFX sucks donkey balls
[03:33] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: whoa.. I only know very little German, wasn't expecting a full on one :/ I'll try online language translaters first :) but thanks for the heads up
[03:34] <brydenn> theball: you portland guy you ;)
[03:34] <brydenn> qwest sucks lol
[03:34] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: np, i am from austria/vienna so if you need any help in this case i will try
[03:34] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: thanks abunch again :)
[03:35] <brydenn> rich0rd: i've been to vienna, austria once
[03:35] <theball> brydenn: clode yes about 50 mile away, why?
[03:35] <theball> do you know of me?
[03:35] <brydenn> auh i'm from Portland too
[03:35] <theball> cool
[03:35] <rich0rd> brydenn: i study here
[03:35] <brydenn> cool rich0rd
[03:35] <theball> nice to see some locals
[03:35] <brydenn> everyone in vienna was nice when i was there
[03:36] <theball> kind of rare
[03:36] <brydenn> i spent most of my time in Budapest, Hungary though
[03:36] <brydenn> i agree theball
[03:36] <theball> anyone going to the linux fest in belvue area? in april?
[03:36] <brydenn> now you're from Portland, Oregon right... not Maine?
[03:36] <theball> correct
[03:36] <brydenn> sweet
[03:36] <brydenn> me too
[03:37] <theball> actualy kelos washington but my store is in oregon
[03:37] <brydenn> so do you know this program very well theball
[03:37] <prospero2006> anyone here installed the kweather package
[03:37] <brydenn> you have a store huh :)
[03:37] <prospero2006> ?
[03:37] <brydenn> i havent prospero2006
[03:37] <brydenn> sorry
[03:37] <theball> yeah in rainier oregon, just learning this program though
[03:37] <brydenn> oh i see
[03:37] <brydenn> yah this OS is nice
[03:37] <coolio10> why since i upgraded to 3.5.1 is my grub taking 10 mros seconds to load!!!
[03:37] <rich0rd> brydenn: yeah it's okay
[03:37] <brydenn> pretty clean and stable
[03:38] <theball> i have been using ubuntu for about 9 months but suse since 8.2
[03:38] <theball> i love this os!!!!!!
[03:38] <coolio10> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:38] <theball> i can have everything on this laptop and all my other computers just work
[03:38] <brydenn> Kubuntu only... not a big gnome fan ;)
[03:38] <coolio10> same here
[03:38] <theball> the laptop is ubuntu with kubuntu destop loaded on it
[03:38] <brydenn> yah
[03:39] <brydenn> same thing theball
[03:39] <coolio10> have you upgraded recently and noticed grub taking longer to load?
[03:39] <theball> yeah i notice the lag
[03:39] <brydenn> no i havent
[03:39] <brydenn> well i havent updated in awhile ;)
[03:39] <theball> i just loaded one pc with dapper kubuntu and that thing is quick now
[03:39] <coolio10> well i just started using kubuntu today because i was too lazy to fix xserver and now did today
[03:39] <theball> i love this distro
[03:39] <brydenn> when is dapper expected to be stable again?
[03:40] <theball> cut my teath on RH5.1
[03:40] <theball> and have been playing with linux in one form or another since then but 80% of the time now i use linux
[03:40] <MRmaverick> hi all
[03:40] <theball> hey MR
[03:40] <UFO> theball: do you use suse enymore... i downloades just the dvd image
[03:40] <MRmaverick> hi theball
[03:41] <theball> anyone going to the linux fest in belvue area? in april?
[03:41] <MRmaverick> anyone know why when i installed kubutu, then windows why i dnt get the option to boot kubuntu anymorwe?
[03:41] <theball> sus is primaraly for my server now as i love the interface, its 10.0
[03:41] <theball> MR load in reverse order
[03:41] <UFO> theball: ok..
[03:41] <MRmaverick> arg
[03:41] <MRmaverick> damn
[03:42] <theball> first windows on a partician then linux on another and the boot menu will allow the dual booting
[03:42] <MRmaverick> k
[03:42] <freeflying-ibook> my kububtu on ppc sometime has sound , sometime has no
[03:42] <theball> but at this point just load linux and install the boot loader and it will fix it
[03:42] <brydenn> hey, does anyone tried playing Super Nintendo ROMS using ZSNES on Kubuntu yet?
[03:42] <brydenn> cuz i'm having trouble installing ZSNES hehe
[03:42] <MRmaverick> u mean the dvd?
[03:42] <MRmaverick> wont reinstall it?
[03:43] <MRmaverick> jsut sort out boot bit right?
[03:43] <MRmaverick> isnt zsnes for widows?
[03:43] <theball> yeah it will but the dvd has an option to repair damaged os and it just updates a few things and then installs grub or lilo
[03:43] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:43] <brydenn> ZSNES is open source MRmaverick
[03:43] <MRmaverick> oh
[03:43] <theball> i love the dual boot capabilities
[03:44] <MRmaverick> wont effect windows righ?
[03:44] <MRmaverick> brb guys
[03:44] <theball> this laptop actualy has WINMEDCENT edition with kubuntu and sus on it. i like to play
[03:44] <coolio10> MRmaverick just starting to install kbuuntu?
[03:44] <__mikem> How long will it be untill kubuntu pressed cds start making the rounds
[03:45] <hatake_kakashi> brb
[03:45] <__mikem> !live
[03:45] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[03:45] <theball> correct wont efect windows as long as in the partition area you dont tell it to delete or format the partition
[03:45] <MRmaverick> nope
[03:45] <MRmaverick> allready had kubtun
[03:45] <MRmaverick> all sorted
[03:45] <coolio10> oh
[03:45] <__mikem> !ubuntu-live
[03:45] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[03:45] <__mikem> man, they are slacking on the bot
[03:45] <UFO> my laptop got remote controller... could i use it in mediacenter
[03:45] <MRmaverick> actualy got kubtunt too do all my windows stuff.. jsut cany play games..
[03:45] <theball> brydenn you part of pdxlug?
[03:45] <MRmaverick> brb
[03:46] <theball> MR that and my dvd burning needs are the only reason for windows
[03:46] <UFO> or does enyone know howto look what key are pressed....
[03:46] <UFO> keys
[03:47] <coolio10> anyone think mepis is better then kubuntu?
[03:47] <coolio10> or tried pclinuxos
[03:47] <__mikem> Ive used mepis before, ubuntu beats it hands down
[03:47] <rich0rd> UFO: look at lirc
[03:47] <coolio10> mepis seems hard to even get the thing burned!
[03:47] <__mikem> however the next version of mepis is supposed to be based on ubuntu
[03:47] <__mikem> no, mepis is easy to burn
[03:47] <brydenn> theball:  msg me
[03:47] <coolio10> many peeople saying burn at 4X and that made it worse for me
[03:48] <theball> distros are all similar but the package selection for ubuntu kubuntu beets all i have seen hands dosn
[03:48] <UFO> rich0rd: the laptop does have modified ir actually i can poweron with remote
[03:48] <__mikem> burned fine for me
[03:48] <__mikem> theball, don't steal my lingo
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !tell brydenn about pastebin
[03:48] <theball> oops sorry
[03:48] <__mikem> lol its ok
[03:49] <coolio10> can lilo be configured a lot like grub?
[03:49] <theball> no toe stepping intended
[03:49] <__mikem> I was only kidding
[03:49] <__mikem> don't worry about it
[03:49] <theball> i know
[03:49] <hatake_kakashi> coolio10: doubt it
[03:49] <theball> i love having fun with people
[03:49] <UFO> lilo is better in some situation
[03:49] <__mikem> same here
[03:50] <theball> so where you from --mikem?
[03:50] <__mikem> Florda
[03:50] <__mikem> you?
[03:50] <theball> washington
[03:50] <theball> love the trees and rain
[03:50] <__mikem> YOu are a stones throw from the hq of microsoft
[03:50] <coolio10> my kubuntu is bloated! every main kde package and more plus automatix and klix
[03:50] <theball> been all over and havent found anything i can tollerate as well
[03:50] <__mikem> coolio, kubuntu is ANYTHING but bloated
[03:51] <coolio10> i know but i made mine bloated
[03:51] <theball> coolio go to synaptic and remove what you dont want
[03:51] <__mikem> how did you accomplish this
[03:51] <__mikem> O, I thought he somehow downloaded a bloated distribution
[03:51] <coolio10> lol
[03:51] <rich0rd> UFO: maybe there is a lirc mapping for it
[03:52] <coolio10> i got 1439 packages isntalled
[03:52] <__mikem> holly sh*t
[03:52] <theball> i am at my kids kungfu school tapped into the wifi and chatting in a room full of parents who are pc clueless
[03:52] <theball> too funny
[03:52] <__mikem> I was always more of a tai kwan do person
[03:52] <UFO> the system does not see the port at all... its same as the buttons in keyboard like arrows... and the powerbutton
[03:52] <theball> i love watching the faces of the other parents
[03:53] <hatake_kakashi> coolio10: its not recommended to use automatix, and plus many eye-candy features can be turned off
[03:53] <__mikem> I am actually a computer programmer
[03:53] <theball> so is anyone here actively involved in helping develope ubun or kubun?
[03:53] <__mikem> a 17 year old hobbiest but still
[03:53] <__mikem> Nope
[03:53] <theball> wish i could program
[03:53] <UFO> rich0rd: the system does not see the port at all... its same as the buttons in keyboard like arrows... and the powerbutton
[03:53] <coolio10> ill remove it
[03:53] <__mikem> theball what kinds of software would you want to write
[03:54] <coolio10> is xfce any good?
[03:54] <theball> da*n you make me feel old ==mikem
[03:54] <__mikem> sorry
[03:54] <rich0rd> coolio10: if you want a fast and stable interface yes, if you want i candy and so on ... well no
[03:54] <UFO> ok... whats old :)
[03:54] <_sniff> hello peeps
[03:54] <theball> __mikem: probably something to help the developmentaly disabled
[03:55] <coolio10> anyone gettin anoyed of insertin the cd/dvd when installing certain packages?
[03:55] <crimsun> Xfce doesn't mean you can't have eye candy -- see xfce-look
[03:55] <__mikem> youd want to write software that helps people be productive
[03:55] <theball> and learn how to connect and control robotics stuff
[03:55] <__mikem> well, youd need to know c/c++, which takes a bit of effort
[03:55] <__mikem> believe me I know
[03:55] <crimsun> there are other languages besides C and C++
[03:55] <_sniff> i was hoping some1 would be able to help me a little please...
[03:55] <theball> __mikem: my brother is handicapped and at 43 he is only about 6 years old mentally and cant read
[03:55] <UFO> does enyone know how to see the hex codes of pressed key on keyboard
[03:55] <__mikem> oh
[03:56] <crimsun> UFO: xev
[03:56] <theball> i want to help people like that
[03:56] <theball> xev rocks
[03:56] <__mikem> well, you could write learning games, those are also usually writen in c/c++
[03:56] <UFO> crimsun: thx
[03:56] <theball> i dont even know where to start
[03:57] <theball> i am teaching my 10 year old son how to build and configure pc's,  that is really fun
[03:57] <__mikem> well, the best way to start is to pick up a nice book on c, once you know c learn c++, then find an api, learn how to use it, then you are in good shape to write a piece of software
[03:57] <rich0rd> UFO: have a eye on dmesg
[03:57] <theball> thanks for the idea
[03:57] <rich0rd> UFO: keys unknown to the kernel are shown there
[03:57] <theball> currently i am working on integrating a pc into my vw that i can control from a pda for movies and music in my car
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh I have an old C book by the two Deitel :)
[03:58] <__mikem> I do pure win32 programming so I am well seasoned, you might want to go with mfc
[03:58] <theball> whats mfc?
[03:58] <theball> brydenn you still here?
[03:58] <rich0rd> mircrosoft foundation classes
[03:58] <__mikem> I have about $5000 dollars worth of programming literature in our house
[03:58] <_sniff> if someone can offer me advice on being able to see filenames that use a foreign language in kubuntu i'd be grateful. At the moment my system contains english, chinese and russian file names but the display as "????.mp3"
[03:58] <theball> i can probably get that through my job
[03:58] <__mikem> well maybe not that much
[03:59] <__mikem> but quite a lot
[03:59] <rich0rd> __mikem: i am used to go to the local library - it is cheaper
[03:59] <theball> i can relate, we have 10 of thousands of dollars in training books for our techs.
[03:59] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: ahh that one again, heh, its not going to be fun, which fs are those files on?
[03:59] <UFO> rich0rd: why dmesg
[03:59] <__mikem> I have never sean a library that contains any good programming books out side of arcaic out dated win16 programming books in QuickC
[03:59] <_sniff> resifer
[04:00] <_sniff> actually fat32
[04:00] <_sniff> but resier doesn't work either
[04:00] <rich0rd> UFO: because if the kernel does not know what to do with the keycodes he prints it with dmesg
[04:00] <rich0rd> UFO: i used to get the keycodes for my MS - multimedia keyboard
[04:00] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: I got most of my probems solved - including sound, fn keys, and system rebooting
[04:01] <theball> bathroom break
[04:01] <_sniff> still let with this problem
[04:01] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: its either reiserfs or fat32, which one is it?
[04:01] <UFO> rich0rd: yes that what im trying to do... but this is actually same thing with ir... my friend played with me and stole my ir signal and shutoff my laptop
[04:02] <rich0rd> UFO: :-) i thought about doing this with the beamer in classes - but i never really tried it
[04:03] <theball> is anyone else in here from the northwest of america?
[04:04] <UFO> rich0rd: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/home/products/notebooks/amilo_a_1667g.html
[04:04] <_sniff> the files at the moment are on fat32, but even when they are copied to my reiser / partition the names still don't display
[04:05] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: well with fat32, I believe you can use iocharset=foo although I think it deals with one iocharset allowed, I think you can put in more if need be via comma or something.. if not, then copy it onto reiserfs and remake a kernel that has all your specified charsets enabled/compiled
[04:06] <theball> i am out, have a great night, see ya __mikem
[04:06] <__mikem> bye
[04:08] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: codepage= or iocharset=
[04:08] <UFO> acrobat reader howto?
[04:09] <__mikem> is there any way to get acrobat reader for linux to do text to speach like microsoft's accrobat reader can
[04:10] <__mikem> windows accrobat reader
[04:10] <__mikem> rather
[04:10] <__mikem> can someone say verbal slip
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: nfi, have you tried various pdf viewers out there? eg xpdf etc?
[04:11] <__mikem> yeh, xpdf comes default with ubuntu
[04:12] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: and what about the adobe acrobat reader for linux?
[04:12] <__mikem> it doesn't have text to speach support hense the question
[04:12] <ilba7r> hatake_kakashi, it is the best though resource intentsive
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well, I think there are alternatives out there floating about maybe apt-cache search
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> ilba7r: unless if you have a better suggestion to __mikem's problems
[04:14] <__mikem> Ill just use something else to read me the entire contents of Rinkworks COmputer SUpidities every night
[04:14] <ilba7r> ok what is his problem and did not wana intrude just help
[04:14] <hatake_kakashi> ilba7r: __mikem wants a pdf text-to-speech reader
[04:15] <ilba7r> oh never heard of one in linux
[04:15] <__mikem> have you ever been to Computer Stupidities
[04:15] <__mikem> http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid its hillarious
[04:16] <theball> back
[04:16] <__mikem> wb
[04:16] <theball> what a whacky place this kungfu school
[04:17] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: this one is a long shot.. but try finding an extension that is associated viewer/player that can do text-to-speech. Google around and grab a converter that can convert pdf to that other format.
[04:17] <theball> so whats the topic now
[04:17] <__mikem> WRestling practice was wackier
[04:17] <__mikem> ok
[04:17] <theball> well right now there are 23 9-12 year olds screeming and kicking
[04:18] <__mikem> sounds fun
[04:18] <theball> more like funny
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> theball: sounds like shin fight
[04:18] <theball> what were you looking for __mikem?
[04:18] <theball> well sort of hk
[04:18] <__mikem> sounds like the insurance company taking all your money
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> theball: pdf text-to-speech reader
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> theball: hk?
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh
[04:19] <theball> hatake_kakashi sorry for the abriviatoion
[04:19] <__mikem> You got to know that insurance companies love it when they have martial artists for clients
[04:19] <theball> windows or linux variaety?
[04:19] <__mikem> thats a great reason to tripple the premium
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> theball: no problems.. I use it too, but I just don't know what hk is..
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> theball: linux variety
[04:20] <theball> i am new ti irc so i am learning the code of conduct so to speek
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: or boncers *snickers*
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> theball: ah ok
[04:20] <__mikem> yes that to
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> s/boncers/bouncers
[04:20] <__mikem> lol
[04:20] <marburg> help! i need to configure my network, but i can't get xorg to start :'(
[04:20] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: what's the error for xorg?
[04:21] <__mikem> This program has performed an ilegal opperation and will be shut down.
[04:21] <__mikem> lol
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> hah
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> reminds me of windows rg
[04:22] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
[04:22] <theball> bashers
[04:22] <__mikem> Ill be you anything microsoft stopped using that error message in windows because they were damn tired of dealing with 30,00 tech support calls each day from people asking how long they have untill they are arrested
[04:22] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: i think i might know a solution, but i need net access :D
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: how is your network configured?
[04:22] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: not at all
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: that and having to constantly putting people on hold with their classical musak for at least 2 hours :D
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: huh
[04:23] <__mikem> o my god that must really tie up the lines
[04:23] <__mikem> lol
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: well, they have money. so :)
[04:24] <theball> why do you think qwest inly supports microsoft products?
[04:24] <__mikem> they should put that money to good use and debug their software
[04:24] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: it's a lappy and i wasn't around a network jack when i installed
[04:24] <__mikem> or better yet REWRITE IT
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> theball: because they cbf supporting the various distributions/configurations of linux out there, like most other companies do
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: heh
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: and now you do or no?
[04:25] <marburg> yea
[04:25] <marburg> plugged in and all
[04:25] <theball> no no i was kicking qwest, they support only ms so they can make more money on the ms support lines
[04:25] <marburg> just not configured
[04:25] <marburg> i just need to set it up to use dhcp
[04:25] <marburg> shouldn't be too hard
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: I assume there is a dhcp server on your network? or how do you access the internet? through modem?
[04:25] <theball> only sarcasim
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> theball: that too heh
[04:26] <__mikem> O I got one more, Biggest oxy moron in the world... "Microsoft Works"
[04:26] <theball> more like broken
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: nah.. imo the biggest oxy moron is "Microsoft Windows ME"
[04:26] <rich0rd> the biggest is "military intelligence"
[04:26] <__mikem> lmfao
[04:26] <__mikem> that last one really topped everything
[04:27] <__mikem> but I am sort of a republican
[04:27] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: yea, dhcp - shouldn't be too hard to setup
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: ok, cool, you can setup via dhclient eth0 or dhclient3 eth0
[04:27] <__mikem> networking ubuntu boxes as easy as sleaping after a wrestling tournement
[04:28] <_sniff> hatake_kakashi: where must i add the charset etc to?
[04:28] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: did you manage to understand the howto?
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> _sniff: when you specify the mount.. eg. mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 -o rw,iocharset=utf8,cp431  I think
[04:29] <theball> hey all class is over catch you another day, thanks for the chat!!
[04:29] <__mikem> any time
[04:29] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: not quite, I googled around and found answers close to it, the translation provided by babelfish, I somewhat understood. I asked a user in #debian channel for more information too
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> theball: ditto from __mikem :)
[04:30] <rich0rd> is there a way to install skype
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> s/a/an
[04:30] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: that did it, thanks!
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> !skype
[04:30] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: np
[04:30] <__mikem> !windows
[04:30] <ubotu> I heard windows is unnecessary - everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[04:30] <rich0rd> it depends on a libqt3c102-mt
[04:30] <__mikem> !microsoft
[04:30] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:30] <__mikem> !bot abuse
[04:30] <ubotu> bot abuse is, like, totally, a bannable offense
[04:31] <__mikem> !i love you
[04:31] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, __mikem
[04:31] <__mikem> lol
[04:31] <__mikem> jk
[04:31] <theball> oh __mikem try this. http://www.experts-exchange.com/Miscellaneous/Q_21375764.html
[04:31] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: that requires you to probably enable universe/multiverse in sources.list
[04:31] <theball> bye
[04:31] <__mikem> bye
[04:31] <hatake_kakashi> !info libqt3c102-mt
[04:31] <rich0rd> hatake_kakashi: i did that but it is some strange version
[04:32] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: and that doesn't work as well?
[04:32] <rich0rd> i am able to install it with --ignore-depends (but then apt always rants about the missing dependency)
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: maybe try what ubotu said about skypehowto
[04:33] <marburg> is there a standard apt-get server?
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: standard??
[04:34] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: or like a list of them? to choose from?
[04:34] <rich0rd> will apt-spy work sometimes with ubuntu (or does it already?)
[04:34] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: there was during the ubuntu/kubuntu (Hoary) installation
[04:34] <hatake_kakashi> !apt-spy
[04:34] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:35] <Snake__> Hey, anyone in here willing to help me out with creating my own branch of linux distrobution
[04:35] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: all I can say is, its not going to be easy :) try LFS cookbook first before attempting such idea
[04:36] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I want to do what knoppixmame did...but better
[04:36] <EightiesK> anyone know a good place to get kde themes
[04:37] <Hobbsee> kde-look.org
[04:37] <Snake__> EightiesK: kdelook?
[04:37] <EightiesK> other than there
[04:37] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: ahh, well check their forums first on how to make a hd install, from there, customise it to the way you want. Get cloop utilities (compressed loop) and create image. Then you should be set I think, no guarentees as I never tried it before
[04:38] <surly> EightiesK : kde.themes.org
[04:38] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I think I may have figured out what I want to do
[04:38] <Snake__> never mind :)
[04:38] <surly> anyone using the "conky" system monitor?
[04:39] <Snake__> I just need to figure out how to add games to this
[04:39] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: well if you wanted to add it in permanently, you need to remaster the image
[04:39] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I presumed..
[04:40] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I gotta figure out what version of mame their runnin
[04:40] <__mikem> well I am out of here
[04:40] <__mikem> bye guys
[04:41] <__mikem> good night
[04:41] <hatake_kakashi> nn
[04:44] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd and _sniff: did it work?
[04:44] <rich0rd> Meg: hrhr ahoi
[04:44] <Meg> :)
[04:44] <rich0rd> welcome a friend of mine
[04:45] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: after I add in these games, what would I have to do to make it bootable again
[04:45] <Meg> very nice
[04:45] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: o.O
[04:45] <rich0rd> just managed to install her kubuntu all by herself
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: well the stuff that I said previously should work.. but you may want to check their forums prior to doing so, as I'm only assuming that will work
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: cool
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: so now we got a/another female user ^^
[04:48] <rich0rd> i saw her first!
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[04:49] <Hobbsee> who's this?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> another female?
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: btw did that skype work? :)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> oh hi Meg
[04:49] <Hobbsee> !
[04:49] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:49] <Hobbsee> silly enter key being too close
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> laptop keyboard I presume? :D
[04:50] <rich0rd> just installed alien
[04:51] <dcwckd> hey everyone
[04:51] <dcwckd> will installing an nvidia driver, help my system at all?
[04:51] <dcwckd> or is it worthless?
[04:51] <rich0rd> it will help
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: rich0rd cool
[04:51] <rich0rd> dcwckd: playing 3d games, desktop performance ... it will help :)
[04:52] <dcwckd> ok
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> dcwckd: I don't see why not
[04:52] <dcwckd> is there any easy way to do it?
[04:52] <dcwckd> through apt?
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> !nvidia
[04:52] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:55] <rich0rd> nice skype works like a charm
[04:55] <rich0rd> ... so rpms are statically linked?
[04:55] <rich0rd> or do they use another version
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> rpm is just another package just like deb. rpm itself is almost equivalent to dpkg
[04:57] <Meg> hi hobbsee
[04:57] <Meg> yea, skype worked :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:57] <hatake_kakashi> and probably, skype is probably more biased towards rpm based distros imo
[04:58] <Snake__> Is it possible to format a hard drive in kubuntu live disk.
[04:58] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: yes, with Hoary you can afaik
[04:58] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: Breezy...
[04:58] <Snake__> and wtf is afaik...lol
[04:59] <rich0rd> !gpart
[04:59] <ubotu> rich0rd: Did you get hit by a windmill?  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:59] <Snake__> hmm
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: as far as I know
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> !parted
[04:59] <ubotu> [parted]  a GNU program for creating, destroying, resizing, checking and copying partitions.  http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html
[04:59] <Snake__> rich0rd: does that come with the KUBUNTU live? I know its in ubuntu live, but I dont think its in the kde version
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> imo, parted looks almost as friendly as fdisk for linux
[05:00] <marburg> "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aboritng"
[05:00] <Snake__> alright ill check into it all
[05:00] <EightiesK> how do you install lipstik?
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: did you try running it from a newly created user?
[05:00] <marburg> hatake_kakashi: yes...
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> EightiesK: lipstick theme?
[05:01] <EightiesK> yes
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: you need to setup the groups properly I believe
[05:01] <EightiesK> I did as the install said
[05:01] <marburg> video group?
[05:01] <EightiesK> but it didn't work
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> EightiesK: maybe you may need to logout and log back in again on KDE
[05:01] <EightiesK> k
[05:01] <EightiesK> brb
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> marburg: probably, nfi
[05:01] <EightiesK> restarting xserver
[05:02] <Meg> so, now I have to find a way to disable my mousepad. any ideas?
[05:03] <hatake_kakashi> Meg: disable your what? mousepad? umm, isn't that the thing that your mouse is sitting on? lol
[05:03] <EightiesK> nothing
[05:04] <rich0rd> Meg: i think she ment her touchpad on the laptop
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> EightiesK: probably, the theme needs to be installed in the correct directory, that I have no idea
[05:04] <EightiesK> ...
[05:04] <EightiesK> :-(
[05:04] <rich0rd> the sesitivity is far too high, i already looked for a way to switch the sensibility down but ...
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: ahh laptop.. umm no idea, remap the link or something?
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[05:05] <rich0rd> at the moment if i navigate my mouspointer over the screen it generates unwanted doubleclicks
[05:05] <Meg> ja, touchpad
[05:05] <Meg> very late it is..
[05:05] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: I found out knoppixmame has built in support so that you can add roms, then it will make a fresh bootable ISO to burn, with all your roms on it
[05:05] <dcwckd> !nvidia
[05:05] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:06] <hatake_kakashi> there's various settings for mouse.. see if you can try and make each of them 'dud' (i.e. stupidfy them :))
[05:06] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: well, try that, it may work :)
[05:06] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: im goin for it, got to format this hard drive first, so that I can save the ISO it spits out :)
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: yup, that's an affirmatory as a basic requirement you need to do that :)
[05:07] <Snake__> lol
[05:07] <Snake__> I gotta go find pants...
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:08] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: that won't be as fun as reinstalling kubutu again because you made your current kubuntu literally unuseable :)
[05:09] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: Virtual drives are a magic sent from the heavens
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: or you meant vmware -_-
[05:10] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: Na, MS Virtual PC, I paid for it, mine as well use it
[05:10] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: ah lol
[05:12] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: ever use it? Its really a neat program
[05:12] <hatake_kakashi> Snake__: nope
[05:19] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: check it out one day, its a great way to screw with things and not mess up your main rig
[05:20] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: ping
[05:21] <EightiesK> !kbfx
[05:21] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, EightiesK
[05:21] <Snake__> mittens
[05:21] <Snake__> hehe
[05:21] <Snake__> that never gets old
[05:21] <EightiesK> how do you install kbfx?
[05:21] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: hey
[05:21] <Snake__> kbfx....thats aaaaa DM right?
[05:22] <EightiesK> its a kmenu replacement
[05:22] <Snake__> Ooo yes yes
[05:22] <Snake__> hmm
[05:22] <Snake__> no repos?
[05:22] <Snake__> apparently not
[05:22] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: i still have no sound on ibook now
[05:23] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: was it working on breezy?
[05:23] <Snake__> EightiesK: no im sorry, im not really sure
[05:23] <Snake__> :(
[05:24] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: hvaen't try on breezy . sometimes has ,
[05:25] <EightiesK> !wifi
[05:25] <ubotu> wifi is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:25] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: which version of the kernel are you running (on dapper)
[05:30] <freeflying-ibook> 2.6.15-15-powerpc
[05:31] <robotgeek> i think that's what i have on my machine too
[05:31] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: maybe just file a bug
[05:31] <robotgeek> maybe crimsun can help
[05:32] <freeflying-ibook> robotgeek: why  there are problems with 2.6.15-powerpc
[05:34] <robotgeek> freeflying-ibook: there was a regression bug, i think. however, i think it has been fixed as sound works for me. it was working for me on breezy, however. i have a feeling that yours might be a new bug
[05:36] <djzn> you know what is missing in kubuntu... a kde network applet status
[05:36] <djzn> is there any package on that matter?????
[05:37] <rich0rd> superkaramba with some applet?
[05:38] <djzn> is there such thing?
[05:39] <hatake_kakashi> !superkaramba
[05:39] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[05:41] <Hobbsee> djzn: kwifimanger
[05:41] <Snake__> superkaramba is amazing
[05:41] <Hobbsee> apart from that, there is one in kde3.5.1, but i didnt think too much of it
[05:41] <Snake__> Hobbsee: just let him get sk ;)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> well once you find a nice applet for that in sk, then tell me about it, cos i'd like to see it!
[05:42] <djzn> wait
[05:42] <Snake__> Hobbsee: I got one
[05:42] <djzn> SK is an applet?
[05:43] <rich0rd> no it is a phyton application
[05:43] <Snake__> djzn: sk run things called "Themes" which is like widgets
[05:43] <djzn> yes....
[05:43] <djzn> and?
[05:43] <Snake__> djzn: there are tons of moniter "Themes"
[05:43] <djzn> is there a ready package for kubuntu?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> what's it called Snake__
[05:43] <Snake__> Hobbsee: im gettin lin
[05:43] <Snake__> k
[05:44] <Snake__> djzn: check adept
[05:44] <hatake_kakashi> I wonder if it is possible to first install Kubuntu Hoary CD and then install Ubuntu Hoary CD, so that I get both WM/DE?
[05:44] <djzn> coz everytime I try to compile something in kubuntu, it gets errors
[05:44] <Snake__> djzn: you need the packages to complie then
[05:44] <hatake_kakashi> !build-essential
[05:44] <ubotu> I heard build-essential is a meta package for software building see !gcc for more info
[05:44] <Snake__> Hobbsee: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34774
[05:44] <Snake__> check that
[05:45] <Snake__> Hobbsee: it takes a little setting up in the script, but its definatly a cool theme
[05:45] <Snake__> and its all explained
[05:45] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:46] <Snake__> Hobbsee: while your there, dont forget to get my theme
[05:47] <Snake__> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34503
[05:47] <Snake__> :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:49] <Snake__> lol
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:51] <Hobbsee> oh it should...it did before
[05:52] <Snake__> yea well ive herd of what a wasteland dapper is......
[05:52] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  does SK work under Dapper at the moment?  There are some inconsistencies with SK and 3.5.1 on some widgets right now
[05:53] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i dont remember tryign with 3.5.1
[05:53] <Snake__> kkathman: like what
[05:53] <kkathman> for instance, Liquid Weather balks now...but I think there is a new fix for it
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[05:59] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  the new release fixed the 3.5.1 probs
[05:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:59] <kkathman> at least in LWP
[06:00] <djzn> i know of build essential
[06:00] <djzn> but that's the point
[06:00] <djzn> i have it
[06:00] <djzn> and it wont compile
[06:00] <djzn> even with devs and libs
[06:01] <djzn> -dev's
[06:01] <djzn> everything
[06:01] <kkathman> djzn what wont compile?
[06:01] <djzn> KDE stuff
[06:01] <hatake_kakashi> rich0rd: thanks for the input, going to give this thing a go
[06:05] <xored> what modprobe to load for hda intel soudn chipsets ?
[06:07] <crimsun> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:09] <xored> crimsun: do not have that modprob
[06:09] <crimsun> xored: ?
[06:09] <xored> i compiled my own kernel
[06:09] <xored> 15er
[06:09] <kkathman> lol you'd better :)
[06:09] <kkathman> hehe
[06:09] <xored> maybe i forget to build it in as a module ?
[06:10] <crimsun> if you don't have it, then yes, you forgot to modularise it.
[06:10] <xored> i just recompiled to get rid of the build in also, so that i can load a "new" also driver ? or must i do it that as "also" module, not keep it away ?#
[06:10] <crimsun> kubuntu's kernel is as modularised as possible
[06:10] <xored> but crimsun i tryied to compile the current also drivers and he fails with : you got "also as build in kernel"
[06:11] <crimsun> xored: grep CONFIG_SND /boot/config-$(uname -r) |head -1
[06:12] <xored> crimsun: i completeyl not compiled alsa
[06:12] <crimsun> xored: ...then you need to compile it externally
[06:12] <xored> becvause i thought i do not have to / not may, because of compiling the current alsa driver myself
[06:13] <xored> crimsun: i compiled the alsa driver, but how to isntall the modprobe then ?
[06:13] <crimsun> xored: did you configure, make, and make install?
[06:13] <xored> yes
[06:14] <trooper00> should be as easy as modprobe alsa
[06:14] <crimsun> so now depmod -e
[06:14] <crimsun> (there's no 'alsa.ko')
[06:14] <xored> and no ?
[06:14] <xored> and now ?=
[06:14] <crimsun> now sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:14] <xored> hehe
[06:14] <xored> there ist its :9
[06:14] <xored> thank you alot
[06:15] <xored> what makes frpomof -r ?
[06:15] <xored> sorry
[06:15] <xored> what makes depmod -e ?
[06:15] <crimsun> xored: it rebuilds the module dependencies files
[06:15] <xored> crimsun: he failed on load
[06:15] <xored> he could not find
[06:15] <xored> /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-insrtall
[06:16] <Snake__> robotgeek: you here?
[06:16] <robotgeek> yes Snake__
[06:16] <Snake__> robotgeek: any sucess in getting our patch in?
[06:16] <crimsun> xored: um...why did you compile alsa to begin with?
[06:16] <robotgeek> Snake__: i havent found jjesse yet
[06:16] <xored> crimsun: need the newst one cause of sound problems
[06:17] <Snake__> robotgeek: ugh, alrighty

[06:17] <crimsun> xored: did you follow my instructions on the wiki?
[06:17] <xored> crimsun: the new release has a ton of hda fixes
[06:17] <xored> yes
[06:17] <Snake__> robotgeek: is (s)he the only one that can/will submit it??
[06:17] <xored> exactly that one
[06:17] <xored> crimsun: i did
[06:17] <xored> but
[06:17] <xored> one second
[06:17] <robotgeek> Snake__: for kde, he is the the only one i guess
[06:17] <crimsun> xored: if you did, then why did you compile a new kernel _and_ a new ALSA driver?
[06:17] <kkathman> still waiting :(
[06:17] <Snake__> robotgeek: thats a bit stupid
[06:17] <xored> new kernel for suspend 2 crimsun
[06:18] <crimsun> forehead -> desk
[06:18] <robotgeek> Snake__: i am asking someone else
[06:18] <Snake__> Alright, robotgeek wern't you trying to get upload access?
[06:19] <xored> crimsun: why did you asked ?
[06:19] <crimsun> xored: because you took the long way around.
[06:19] <robotgeek> Snake__: i need to become a member for that
[06:19] <xored> crimsun: there are a lot of bugs with the 0.9er also drivers
[06:19] <crimsun> xored: "0.9er"?
[06:19] <Snake__> robotgeek: well become a damn member :P
[06:19] <robotgeek> heh, i am applying
[06:19] <Haalbert> it's in german!!
[06:20] <xored> crimsun: so i compiled alsa-driver-1.0.10 and alsa libs, oss and utils
[06:20] <Haalbert> why is kubuntu in german?
[06:20] <Haalbert> why not also in english?!
[06:20] <crimsun> xored: why not just use Dapper Flight 3?
[06:20] <xored> crabstic: omg, i tryied to load it as normal user..
[06:20] <Snake__> Haalbert: it is in englishm its in quite a lot of languages
[06:20] <JasonF> 1.5 beta++
[06:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone can help me fixing kaffeine?
[06:20] <JasonF> Koffice w/OD support is good
[06:20] <xored> crimsun: cause i need to reinstall the whole system .  ?
[06:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno why it can't play anything..
[06:21] <crimsun> xored: no, you could have dist-upgraded to Dapper
[06:21] <JasonF> hiya crimsun, I'm going to install kubuntu!
[06:21] <Haalbert> Snake__: http://kubuntu.org/special-cds.php <-- do they lie?
[06:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how do you evalueate Koffice against OpenOffice?
[06:21] <crimsun> JasonF: oh dear
[06:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> JasonF: That was for you :)
[06:21] <Snake__> Haalbert: lemme see
[06:21] <JasonF> Don't call me dear in public, crimsun :)
[06:21] <xored> crimsun: ok, shoudl have too...but i got it now
[06:21] <xored> crimsun: what mixer do i need to unmute channekls ?
[06:22] <crimsun> xored: any.
[06:22] <JasonF> Tallia1Kubuntu: I am an OpenDocument Fellowship press guy, so any OD support in a new app is greeeat
[06:22] <crimsun> xored: e.g., alsamixer, kmix, amixer, aumix, ...
[06:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> OD?
[06:22] <Snake__> Haalbert: Ahhh that was just released, thats why, the english version has been out for a while, would you like a link to the english?
[06:22] <xored> crimsun: i started kmix, and there is no current mixer to choose
[06:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> JasonF: and OD is in Koffice?
[06:22] <JasonF> Tallia1Kubuntu: we in fact had a demo up at Scale 4x, the same OpenDocument file opened in OO.org and the 1.5b of KOffice
[06:22] <crimsun> xored: so quit kmix and use alsamixer
[06:23] <Haalbert> Snake__: oh, really?
[06:23] <trooper00> Haalbert: of course its going to be in german if you download the german cd ;)
[06:23] <xored> crimsun: do i need to compile alsa-mixer ?
[06:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about capabilities?
[06:23] <crimsun> xored: ...no
[06:23] <Haalbert> so the english version is out but they still give us the older breezy for download?!
[06:23] <Snake__> Haalbert: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/ theres the english releases, any of the live CDs will come with all that the german one does
[06:23] <xored> apt get ?
[06:23] <Meg5254> hi again
[06:23] <Meg5254> i have another question
[06:23] <JasonF> Tallia1Kubuntu: haven't worked on koffice enough to know
[06:23] <JasonF> brb, installing
[06:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there's the same amount of tools?
[06:23] <xored> crimsun: can i use the one form reps ?
[06:23] <Haalbert> trooper00: no, i don't like the german version (or any other nationalistic version of (k)ubuntu)
[06:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like drawing.. math.. xl..
[06:24] <Meg5254> where do i put a bash script when i want it to start when i boot my computer?
[06:24] <xored> crimsun: ok its allready installed, my fault
[06:24] <Haalbert> Snake__: thank you.
[06:24] <xored> crimsun: alsamixer : function snd_ctl_open failed or default : No such device
[06:25] <trooper00> Haalbert: i only used the cd once and tossed it.. anything sitting around on cd is going to be out of date almost immediately anyways
[06:25] <Haalbert> btw, is the new dapper installer / live cd almost ready?
[06:27] <xored> crimsun: sorry if iam disturbing you
[06:28] <xored> crimsun: but this howto is minimalistic , and the forum do not help me with that steps
[06:28] <crimsun> xored: sigh. It's difficult to help you when you've introduced so many other variables into the equation.
[06:29] <xored> crimsun: just one question : is the alsmixer copiled with the drivers / libs or is it the old version of my old als driver
[06:29] <xored> crimsun:  and therefore not working
[06:30] <xored> crimsun: i rebooted and its working now..
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys.. i need a help in compiling KINO the video editor for KDE
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried the version 0.6.x but i can import only in DV format
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need instead to import from mpeg avi.... and this is only in version0.8
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to download it from debian repositories and install it by dpkg but it didn't work
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to compile but i have the following errors
[06:33] <xored> crimsun: mp3s playing, but i do not here anything. i think i "unmuted" all channels..
[06:34] <crimsun> xored: pastebin: lspci -v ; lspci -nv
[06:35] <xored> crimsun: one second, going online with the laptop..
[06:36] <Haalbert> so do you mean the current official kubuntu breezy download is not similar to the first official kubuntu breezy download?
[06:36] <Haalbert>
[06:36] <xored> crimsun: so iam back, sorry lost the last commands..could you repeat ?
[06:38] <bimberi> 16:34:39 <crimsun> xored: pastebin: lspci -v ; lspci -nv
[06:38] <xored> thank you
[06:39] <xored> !paste
[06:39] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:39] <bimberi> np :)
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the problem is that require a libdv > 0.103 but in repositories there's only the version: woody
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i come back from version woody of libdv to the breezy one?
[06:39] <robotgeek> Snake__: done
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need the headers... and in reps there is code only for breezy version
[06:40] <xored> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8634
[06:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[06:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> libdv4-dev:
[06:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu>   Depends: libdv4 (=0.103-2ubuntu1) but 0.103-woody2 is to be installed
[06:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i resolv this? i need to come back to the ubuntu1 .. because otherwise i can't install source to compile kino
[06:42] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: perhaps disable the debian repos in your sources.list, then update and retry
[06:44] <Hobbsee> !repos
[06:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:45] <xored> crimsun: :/
[06:47] <Haalbert> anybody here? (other than me)
[06:47] <crimsun> xored: please be patient
[06:47] <trooper00> Tallia1Kubuntu: if it turns out you can't get the dependency from the repos, you could always just compile a copy of libdv yourself
[06:47] <JasonF> I just installed kubuntu, and it's only letting me set my resolution to 640x480
[06:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried that too
[06:47] <xored> crimsun: ofc
[06:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but it didn't work pretty well
[06:48] <xored> crimsun: iam deaktivted arts now..
[06:48] <JasonF> any ideas on setting it to full size?
[06:48] <bimberi> !resolution
[06:48] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:48] <bimberi> JasonF: ^^^
[06:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the problem is kubuntu is always the same
[06:49] <crimsun> xored: your pci ids have not been added to the driver
[06:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> GLIB and GTK
[06:49] <crimsun> xored: cat /proc/asound/cards
[06:49] <xored> one second
[06:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> libdv requires glib and i can't compile the new glib
[06:50] <xored> 0 [Intel          ] : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[06:50] <xored>                      HDA Intel at 0xb0000000 irq 19
[06:50] <Haalbert> Kubuntu has built a (German language) Live CD of Kubuntu Breezy with KDE 3.5.1 and KOffice 1.5 beta 1.
[06:50] <xored> crimsun: i ran alsaconf after loaded the module
[06:51] <xored> there is also a car0 in /proc/asound, with the id=intel etc
[06:52] <crimsun> xored: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[06:53] <xored> crimsun: thats my lsmod :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8636
[06:53] <xored> Mixers:
[06:53] <xored> 0: Analog Devices AD1986A
[06:54] <xored> shoudl i use the digital one ?
[06:56] <xored> crimsun: just a beside question : should i test sound with amarok or xmms or something more "easier" to be sure its not an soft prob ( for example codec etc)
[06:58] <crimsun> I need to cross-check your codec.
[06:59] <xored> iam just here to serve :)
[06:59] <crimsun> xored: pastebin amixer output
[06:59] <maxtor> hii
[06:59] <xored> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8637
[07:01] <crimsun> xored: mute 'Headphone'
[07:01] <xored> k
[07:01] <xored> done
[07:02] <crimsun> no sound?
[07:02] <xored> nothing changed, no sound
[07:02] <xored> amarok, alsa
[07:02] <xored> (arts disabled completely)
[07:03] <xored> amarok->xiner->arts
[07:03] <crimsun> unmute Headphone and increase its level
[07:03] <xored> done ( 100%)
[07:04] <crimsun> hear anything?
[07:04] <xored> should i pluggin headfones( speakers nothing)
[07:05] <xored> crimsun: should i use amarok or xmms for testing ?
[07:05] <crimsun> xored: aplay
[07:06] <xored> nothing chnaged
[07:07] <xored> crimsun: can ubunutu play mp3 files from scratch ?
[07:07] <crimsun> no.
[07:07] <crimsun> did you compile 1.0.10 or 1.0.11rc3?
[07:07] <xored> 1.0.1
[07:07] <xored> 1.0.10
[07:08] <xored> what do i need for mp3 playing ? (as iam trying to play mp3s right now)
[07:08] <xored> i just want to avoid its an codec problem
[07:09] <crimsun> you need to use 1.0.11rc3
[07:10] <xored> ok..how to uninstall properly ?
[07:10] <xored> searching in lib/modeles/curkernel/.. ?
[07:10] <crimsun> just compile alsa-{driver,lib,utils} separately and install over what's there
[07:11] <xored> ok
[07:11] <xored> do i need all in the new versin
[07:11] <crimsun> yes
[07:11] <xored> or just the driver ?
[07:11] <xored> ok
[07:11] <JasonF> Why does firefox look somewhat strange in Kubuntu? It's like the menubar fonts aren't quite right
[07:11] <crimsun> gtk/qt skew
[07:12] <JasonF> yuck, any way to improve it?
[07:12] <crimsun> no idea, I don't use KDE
[07:16] <xored> crimsun: do i need to restart, or just modprobe - r hda-intel ?
[07:17] <trooper00> JasonF: i think if you goto the gtk styles and fonts and just hit apply or something.. i think i know the look you are describing
[07:18] <swim> hey folks is there anyway to find out what speed my ram is within the machine?
[07:19] <crimsun> xored: unload, reload
[07:19] <xored> ok
[07:19] <xored> but first compile all 4,right ?
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> anyone ever concider changing the name of this distro
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> i mean
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> kubuntu
[07:19] <rj_not_ajay> its funnny to say
[07:21] <xored> crimsun: where is the load / unload script ?
[07:22] <xored> crimsun: making a rebbot, right back
[07:24] <PaperClip> hmm, how bout we change the name of this distro to... PaperClipOS!
[07:25] <PaperClip> or googleOS
[07:25] <PaperClip> even though they dont support us
[07:25] <swim> hey folks is there anyway to find out what speed my ram is within the machine?
[07:27] <xored> crimsun: ok rebooted, channels are all unmuted, amarok doesnt seem to give any sound
[07:27] <trooper00> swim: within the os? got me. that information is usually available in the bios though
[07:29] <xored> crimsun: installing codecs rigth now
[07:34] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: hi
[07:34] <xored> crimsun: i installed all codecs, still now sound
[07:36] <crimsun> freeflying-ibook: hi
[07:37] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: after freshinstall of dapper to ibook ,  no sound still
[07:38] <crimsun> freeflying-ibook: known issue with some ibooks, benc's working on it
[07:38] <EightiesK> !tvcard
[07:38] <ubotu> EightiesK: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:38] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: sometims it can work
[07:38] <crimsun> xored: does /proc/asound/version confirm 1.0.11rc3?
[07:38] <EightiesK> any one know a place I can get a driver for my X- Capture card
[07:38] <EightiesK> I've had it since windows 95
[07:38] <EightiesK> =-o
[07:38] <crimsun> freeflying-ibook: I don't have hardware to test, sorry
[07:38] <xored> crimsun: yes
[07:39] <xored> 1.0.11rc3
[07:39] <xored> installed al gstream codecs and w32 codecs
[07:40] <xored> shoudl i activate arts again ?
[07:40] <crimsun> xored: then you'll need to revert to a fresh installation of breezy so we can step through it
[07:41] <crimsun> I'm very tired right now (it's 1:41 AM)
[07:41] <EightiesK> anyone?
[07:41] <xored> its 5:00 on my planet here :)
[07:41] <xored> crimsun: its ok ,thank you
[07:41] <xored> have a nice morning
[07:41] <xored> bye
[07:43] <Red_Herring> zZzZzZ
[07:44] <freeflying-ibook> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/31365
[07:44] <EightiesK> !capturecard
[07:44] <ubotu> EightiesK: Did you get hit by a windmill?  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:50] <Red_Herring> zZzZzZzZ
[07:50] <ace> !kdm
[07:50] <Red_Herring> man i need sleep
[07:50] <Red_Herring> well...
[07:51] <ace> that bot is funny...
[07:51] <Red_Herring> ya
[07:51] <Red_Herring> he is
[07:51] <ace> anyway
[07:51] <Red_Herring> !ubotu
[07:51] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[07:51] <Red_Herring> wha?
[07:51] <ace> yeah well. long story
[07:51] <Red_Herring> so ya come here when ya wake up?
[07:51] <ace> ah
[07:51] <Red_Herring> well,
[07:52] <Red_Herring> i gotta get up at 7
[07:52] <ace> because in my sleep
[07:52] <Red_Herring> and its 1 right now
[07:52] <ace> I am thinking things
[07:52] <ace> and then I wake up
[07:52] <Red_Herring> you sleep type?
[07:52] <ace> and then I need HELP
[07:52] <Red_Herring> oh
[07:52] <ace> heh heh
[07:52] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:52] <Red_Herring> lets hear it
[07:52] <ace> wha about u ?
[07:52] <Red_Herring> eh, i just cant get ta sleep
[07:52] <Red_Herring> and this soooooo beats reading that damn book
[07:52] <Red_Herring> bless me ultima
[07:52] <ace> obsessive compulsive asominac ?
[07:52] <Red_Herring> nah
[07:53] <Red_Herring> just a bit nervous
[07:53] <ace> wah ?
[07:53] <Red_Herring> valentine's day is tmrw
[07:53] <Red_Herring> i wanna impress this girl
[07:53] <ace> heh heh
[07:53] <Red_Herring> ;-)
[07:53] <ace> wonder if my valentime knows about kdm :-)
[07:53] <_sniff> it#s valentines day today
[07:53] <Red_Herring> and guess what!
[07:53] <crimsun> what the heck happened to my client?
[07:53] <ace> wa ?
[07:53] <Red_Herring> she knows a thing or to about computers!
[07:54] <ace> good for you !
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ya
[07:54] <Red_Herring> its a perfect match
[07:54] <Red_Herring> jk
[07:54] <ace> you know win4lin ?
[07:54] <Red_Herring> well
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ya
[07:54] <Red_Herring> but i havent used it
[07:54] <ace> okay i know it too
[07:54] <ace> i like it
[07:54] <Red_Herring> nice
[07:54] <ace> and it's needed for my project
[07:54] <Red_Herring> project?
[07:54] <ace> so, let's get that out of the way :-)
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:55] <ace> project: installing 7 schools with 1 server and 8 thin clients...
[07:55] <ace> each.
[07:55] <Red_Herring> really? nice
[07:55] <ace> pretty cool
[07:55] <ace> look http://www.suares.an
[07:55] <Red_Herring> i wanna get that for my school
[07:55] <ace> click 'publicaties'
[07:55] <ace> and then download the pilot project document
[07:55] <ace> you might like it!
[07:55] <Red_Herring> huh
[07:55] <ace> most is in dutch but not that pdf
[07:56] <Red_Herring> where are you?
[07:56] <ace> www.curacao.com !
[07:56] <_sniff> peeps
[07:56] <ace> hi
[07:56] <Red_Herring> denmark?
[07:56] <ace> funnyu
[07:56] <ace> the caribbean!
[07:57] <Red_Herring> really?
[07:57] <_sniff> how can i get foreign file names to diplay correctly, it's really getting on my tits!?>
[07:57] <Red_Herring> _sniff, ok...
[07:57] <Red_Herring> that was odd
[07:57] <ace> ace: hello
[07:58] <Red_Herring> do you have the right character sets installed?
[07:58] <_sniff> to be honest i have no idea.... how might i check?
[07:58] <Red_Herring> to be honest
[07:58] <_sniff> i'm n00b btw
[07:58] <Red_Herring> i have no idea
[07:58] <_sniff> lol
[07:58] <ace> something with lc
[07:58] <ace> let me search
[07:58] <Red_Herring> i live in chicago, and never have any use for any characters but a-z
[07:58] <ace> !locales
[07:58] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ace
[07:58] <Red_Herring> !locals
[07:58] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:59] <Red_Herring> !character-sets
[07:59] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[07:59] <ace> try dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:59] <ace> als I rememebr
[07:59] <Red_Herring> nice thinking
[07:59] <_sniff> what is "!character-sets" ?
[07:59] <ace> it gives you a list of countries/languages
[07:59] <ace> you want to generate something for
[07:59] <Red_Herring> well, foreing file names?
[08:00] <ace> just check all execpt hte japanes/big5/chinese
[08:00] <ace> you propbably will be on your way
[08:00] <ace> not sure though.
[08:00] <_sniff> mmm i need chinese and russian
[08:00] <ace> okay add that then :-)
[08:00] <ace> add all...
[08:00] <ace> and the !something
[08:00] <ace> i found out recently
[08:00] <Red_Herring> !somethign
[08:00] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:00] <ace> is asking a robot (!)
[08:00] <ace> to help you
[08:00] <ace> like
[08:00] <ace> !kernel
[08:00] <Red_Herring> !red_Herring
[08:00] <ubotu> Red_Herring: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:00] <_sniff> where do i do the ! commands?
[08:01] <Red_Herring> no
[08:01] <ace> just type !kernel
[08:01] <Red_Herring> "!"
[08:01] <Red_Herring> tells ubotu to look it up
[08:01] <ace> or !x
[08:01] <Red_Herring> !x
[08:01] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:01] <Red_Herring> !!
[08:01] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:01] <_sniff> where do i type "!character-sets"?
[08:01] <ace> just where you type your text now
[08:02] <ace> but it's only working in IRC
[08:02] <ace> has NOTHING to do with you linux installation
[08:02] <ace> there, you use
[08:02] <ace> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:02] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:02] <Red_Herring> dont type it in at the bash prompt
[08:02] <ace> I assume u use kubuntu
[08:02] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:02] <Red_Herring> ignore the !
[08:02] <Red_Herring> its just shorter than:
[08:02] <Red_Herring> ubotu, character-sets
[08:02] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:03] <Red_Herring> same effect
[08:03] <ace> the robot ignores me...
[08:03] <ace> ubotu, kernel
[08:03] <Red_Herring> ouch, harsh
[08:03] <Red_Herring> ubotu, kernel
[08:03] <ace> oh no
[08:03] <Red_Herring> wait...
[08:03] <ace> it's talking on a private channel with me
[08:03] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:03] <Red_Herring> NICE
[08:03] <ace> nah...
[08:03] <Red_Herring> it priv mesg me
[08:03] <ace> Red_Herring
[08:04] <Red_Herring> saying "someone just asked that 13 seconds ago"
[08:04] <ace> happen to know anything about kdm
[08:04] <ace> yeah
[08:04] <Red_Herring> well
[08:04] <Red_Herring> yeah
[08:04] <ace> it did that to me to
[08:04] <ace> and then kept talking there
[08:04] <Red_Herring> ok... so about kdm
 unfortunately, kernel is disabled in my configuration
[08:04] <ace> yeah
[08:04] <ace> in gdm
[08:04] <ace> I can maken win4lin
[08:04] <ace> a full screen thing
[08:04] <ace> you log in
[08:04] <ace> and Bhaaammmmm! you get a full screen
[08:04] <ace> win98 session
[08:04] <Red_Herring> huh, yeah
[08:04] <ace> no linux at all
[08:05] <ace> Do you know if that can be done in kdm ?
[08:05] <Red_Herring> hmmmm
[08:05] <Red_Herring> why bother?
[08:05] <Red_Herring> if it works with GDM
[08:05] <Red_Herring> just stick with that
[08:05] <ace> yeah you might be right
[08:05] <Red_Herring> i mean, you can still run kde and all w/ gdm
[08:06] <ace> it's just that I did this whole trick at http://www.suares.an/Kubuntu_LTSP_Win4Lin
[08:07] <Red_Herring> well, you can install gdm from kubuntu, so that shouldnt be an issue...
[08:08] <Red_Herring> but i thought there were sources for the 2.6.11 kernel
[08:08] <ace> don't get me started on the kernel
[08:08] <Red_Herring> ok
[08:08] <Red_Herring> i wont
[08:08] <ace> 2.6.11 was never a production kernel
[08:09] <Red_Herring> i mean, i installed gentoo yesterday
[08:09] <ace> and 2.6.12 there are no win4lin patches for
[08:09] <ace> so
[08:09] <ace> this is what I came up with
[08:09] <Red_Herring> and totally chickend out on the kernel comp
[08:09] <ace> what made you afraid ?
[08:09] <Red_Herring> well
[08:10] <Red_Herring> i mean, i just didnt want to not include something
[08:10] <ace> gotta go in 5
[08:10] <Red_Herring> then end up desparatly needing it
[08:10] <ace> just try
[08:10] <Red_Herring> alright, i should sleep soon too
[08:10] <ace> and if it fails, try again
[08:10] <Red_Herring>  i know
[08:10] <ace> that's the learning process
[08:10] <ace> and yes
[08:10] <ace> there are too many options
[08:10] <ace> and you'll only learn by f*ing up a couple of times
[08:10] <Red_Herring> yeah...
[08:10] <ace> so don't worry
[08:10] <Red_Herring> gentoo has the genkernel
[08:10] <ace> it just takes so loooooong...
[08:11] <Red_Herring> and i tried that
[08:11] <Red_Herring> and i got the same menuconfig screen
[08:11] <ace> don't they give some default config
[08:11] <ace> the same they use to start the system in the first plac e?
[08:11] <Red_Herring> but its just when you run into a problem down the road
[08:11] <Red_Herring> its hard to point to where it is
[08:11] <Red_Herring> but if the problem lies in the kernel
[08:11] <ace> i don't think it works that way
[08:11] <Red_Herring> its unlikely i will catch it
[08:11] <ace> you either have a problem tight away
[08:12] <Red_Herring> well, i had a problem with the nvidia drivers
[08:12] <ace> like scsi driver missing -> no /dev/sda1
[08:12] <ace> and you should just build everything as modules
[08:12] <ace> whyen possible
[08:12] <Red_Herring> and i didnt realize that i forgot to compile the kernel with the right options
[08:12] <Red_Herring> ya, now i realize that
[08:13] <ace> in the old days
[08:13] <ace> I disabled moudles alltogehter
[08:13] <Haalbert> why is xml so much appreciated, considering how bulky it is?
[08:13] <ace> just took what  I needed
[08:13] <ace> made very small kernels
[08:13] <ace> can't really do that anymore
[08:13] <ace> too much options that I don't really understand...
[08:13] <Red_Herring> Haalbert, why is windows so appreciated, concidering how BULKY, INSTABLE, AND INSECURE it is
[08:14] <ace> goota go
[08:14] <Red_Herring> yeah, i was looking through the driver list
[08:14] <ace> nice talking to ya, Red_Herring !
[08:14] <Red_Herring> i did?
[08:14] <ace> wow
[08:14] <Red_Herring> ace, nice talking to you
[08:14] <ace> amazing huh ???
[08:14] <Red_Herring> i didnt know i could do that
[08:14] <Haalbert> i was disconnected. did i get any answer in the meantime?
[08:15] <Red_Herring> Red_Herring Haalbert, why is windows so appreciated, concidering how BULKY, INSTABLE, AND INSECURE it is
[08:15] <Haalbert> Red_Herring: nice answer. btw, are there any sane alternatives to xml?
[08:16] <Red_Herring> not that im aware of
[08:16] <Haalbert> Red_Herring: thanks
[08:16] <Red_Herring> no problem
[08:17] <Red_Herring> but im not aware of much
[08:17] <Red_Herring> so that line was practically worthless
[08:17] <Red_Herring> either way
[08:26] <Haalbert> which files on a dvd contain subtitles?
[09:06] <ark3qqq> Hi. I'm trying to compile some software. I'm getting errors like "stdlib.h: No such file or directory." What package(s) do I need to install?
[09:07] <ark3qqq> Or more generally, how do I get a sane environment for building stuff written in C?
[09:11] <_sniff> !character-enoding
[09:11] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _sniff
[09:12] <_sniff> grr
[09:12] <_sniff> peeps
[09:13] <Haalbert> which files on a dvd contain subtitles?
[09:13] <_sniff> i was told to do "!character-encoding" but where do i type this... in a terminal?
[09:17] <ubijtsa2> !character-encoding
[09:17] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ubijtsa2
[09:17] <ubijtsa2> nah, the !commands are for here in the #
[09:21] <_sniff> so...
[09:21] <_sniff> what must i do so that filenames written using chinese/russian appear ok in konqueror?
[09:21] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: what'cha trying to do?
[09:21] <ubijtsa2> oh..
[09:22] <ubijtsa2> uhm, for me it just works, if using a UTF-8 font
[09:24] <ubijtsa2> I tinker with cyrillic on a semi-regular basis, and I get plenty of asian spam..
[09:32] <_sniff> at the moment i live in china, i have many chinese file names in my system
[09:32] <_sniff> i also have some russian music etc
[09:32] <_sniff> but all the filenames display as ??????
[09:35] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: which font do you use?
[09:35] <tijn> ubijtsa, do i know you?
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> tijn: dunno - do you? :)
[09:36] <tijn> well
[09:36] <tijn> are you @ tb2?
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> tb2 ??
[09:36] <tijn> nevermind :D i dont know you ;)
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> hehe
[09:37] <tijn> is your real name anders?
[09:37] <ubijtsa2> tijn: da, correct
[09:37] <tijn> because the ubitsa i know is named anders also :D
[09:37] <tijn> haha
[09:37] <tijn> according to your host
[09:38] <ubijtsa2> well... :)
[09:38] <ubijtsa2> I have probably made myself well impopular on a lot of mailing lists by now :)
[09:39] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: I use Courier New in my yakuake/konsole, and that displays the chars good
[09:39] <ubijtsa2> tijn: so where would you know me from? :)
[09:40] <tijn> Torrentbytes
[09:40] <tijn> the ubitsa i know was a linux dude too :D
[09:40] <ubijtsa2> must be a different guy...
[09:40] <tijn> think so :D
[09:40] <tijn> wow, Eterm is nice
[09:41] <ubijtsa2> but the odds of two anders karlsson using 'ubijtsa' as nick/handle is quite small
[09:41] <tijn> yes indeed
[09:41] <tijn> karlsson not i think
[09:41] <tijn> Anders only :)
[09:42] <ubijtsa2> heh, Anders is a common name in .se :)
[09:42] <tijn> ah ic
[09:43] <tijn> ubitsa inst :)
[09:43] <ubijtsa2> ubijtsa is a russian word (in latin script)
[09:44] <tijn> aah
[09:44] <_sniff> so what do i have to change so they display in konqueror ok? In suse the foreign names work fine in kde
[09:45] <tijn> what does it mean?
[09:45] <ubijtsa2>  - killer, assassin
[09:45] <tijn> ah
[09:45] <tijn> cant read those chars btw
[09:46] <ubijtsa2> a very tedious link to my preference of character to play in NeverWinter Nights :)
[09:46] <_sniff> i can see the characters and read them
[09:46] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: then you probably use UTF-8 :)
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: you probably need to change the font, that should be all. if you currently use a font that is latin only, it can't display the cyrrilic/chinese
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> cyrillic even
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> hmm, I seem to use Arial in Konqueror
[09:49] <_sniff> dejavu sans?
[09:49] <ubijtsa2> it copes with russian at least
[09:49] <ubijtsa2> that _may_ work. let me check
[09:50] <ubijtsa2> yeah, works for me
[09:50] <_sniff> it doesn't work for me
[09:50] <_sniff> what do i do to use utf8?
[09:51] <ubijtsa2> hmm.. in Breezy that should be automatic
[09:51] <_sniff> yeah it's brezzy
[09:51] <_sniff> breezy
[09:51] <_sniff> maybe i need to install aother language?
[09:51] <_sniff> although in kde I have english and chinese installed
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> in kde, I have british english set as my locale
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> other than that, all I have changed is fonts
[09:54] <_sniff> where do u change the fonts?
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> kde menu - System Settings -
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> then Appearance
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> and Fonts
[10:08] <ubijtsa2> http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/8478/desktop1vn1co.jpg  <-- Oooooh.. Shiny!
[10:09] <ubijtsa2> kde4 (mock-up) that makes me want it - now darn-it!
[10:13] <darkblue> anyone here know of a good guide/help on setting up 3 monitors on Kubuntu?
[10:22] <ubijtsa2> darkblue: as in Xinerama ?
[10:24] <darkblue> yeah, xinerama
[10:25] <ubijtsa2> hm..
[10:25] <darkblue> cant find anything on the net about it
[10:26] <darkblue> and have been trying for days now
[10:26] <ubijtsa2> http://lenin.trudheim.com/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Trudheim/DellXineramaGX280  <- might give you enough to go on
[10:26] <darkblue> thanks, i'll have a look
[10:27] <ubijtsa2> it won't tell you how to do three screens, but you should be able to work out how to from there
[10:27] <ubijtsa2> essentially, you have to tell X about your three devices, and your three screens, and then tell it how the layout is
[10:29] <darkblue> yeah, thanks
[10:43] <_mindspin> hi, after upgrading to breezy on a thinkpad 600x the performance is not like on hoarey, has nayone an idea to increase performance?
[10:46] <keqiuguang> hi
[10:46] <keqiuguang> anyone cam install maplestory into their computer?
[10:46] <keqiuguang> can
[10:46] <keqiuguang> i mean
[10:48] <keqiuguang> hey
[10:48] <keqiuguang> is anyone goin to answer ny Q
[10:48] <mornfall> is that a metaquestion?
[10:51] <Ilokaasu> does anyone know good program for editing videos @ linux...adding music& other effects would be nice
[10:52] <eder> hi
[10:52] <tijn> well kino should be nice
[10:53] <eder> i'm brazilian and do not understand english very well
[10:53] <eder> i'm have a problem
[10:54] <eder> i work "apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[10:54] <Ilokaasu> tijn i've heard that it doesnt support like avis etc
[10:54] <Ilokaasu> only dv straight from recorder
[10:54] <tijn> ah ic
[10:54] <tijn> cinneralle?
[10:54] <eder> and apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird-locale-pt-br
[10:55] <tijn> cinnerella :S something like that
[10:55] <Ilokaasu> does that have effect adding features etc ?
[10:55] <tijn> think so, its know as a pro tool
[10:55] <tijn> not sure, i dont edit
[10:56] <eder> darl.. nb
[10:56] <Ilokaasu> ok i test it
[10:56] <tijn> k
[10:58] <tijn> who knows a nice wifi app, so i can scan and use wep keys?
[11:00] <_sniff> tijn: i would like to know the same thing
[11:00] <tijn> ah
[11:00] <tijn> :)
[11:00] <_sniff> i got kde running, if you install Suse they have all kinds of realy cool apps that novell made for it
[11:02] <vvatsa> tijn: will kwifimanager not do?
[11:03] <tijn> well, it does
[11:03] <tijn> but i wanna see if its encrypted, and what ip the network uses
[11:03] <vvatsa> iwconfig
[11:04] <_sniff> i can't find iwconfig in adept
[11:04] <_sniff> ...
[11:04] <vvatsa> should just have it, its command line tool
[11:04] <tijn> i know, but there are multiple networks
[11:04] <tijn> and i wanna see what ip each net uses
[11:05] <_sniff> also what about the best torrent client?
[11:05] <vvatsa> tijn: well you can't see the network topology untill you join the network I think.
[11:05] <tijn> vvatsa, affraid so
[11:05] <tijn> ok in that case kwifimanager is ok
[11:05] <tijn> _sniff, bittornado
[11:06] <tijn> also, try freeloader, better grfx
[11:07] <ubijtsa2> _sniff: iwconfig is part of the wireless tools
[11:08] <ubijtsa2> "wireless-tools" to be precise
[11:15] <_sniff> how do i mount /dev/dha5    a fat32 partition then format it with reiser and mount it as /home?
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> you have to format it, then mount it, or you can edit fstab and then mount it (which makes it easier)
[11:16] <_sniff> also what is ktorrent like?
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> never tried it