[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> Wimpress, hello, thanks for caja extensions
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> however the delta is still needed partially...
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> checking for UPNP... no
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> configure: WARNING: you need gupnp installed to build the upnp plugin (disabling sendto plugin)
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg> however I'm not autoconf savvy to craft a retro-compatible patch
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg> upstream has a patch https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja-extensions/pull/53/files
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> this one can be applied to Debian as-is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/caja-extensions/1.22.0-2ubuntu2
[09:11] <Wimpress> LocutusOfBorg: Thanks for your fixes 👍
[09:12] <Wimpress> I'll incorporate your fixes in Debian.
[09:37] <LocutusOfBorg> Wimpress, not that easy... looks like the autoconf check is not exporting a required variable
[09:45] <Wimpress> We'll sort it. On vacation, but it on my list of tasks 🙂
[09:46] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying to fix it now
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> I might have a "fix"
[10:00] <LocutusOfBorg> Wimpress, upstream pr updated with my findings https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja-extensions/pull/53
[10:00] <LocutusOfBorg> it might be not looking that good, but works in both old and new gupnp https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/caja-extensions/1.22.0-2ubuntu3
[10:00] <LocutusOfBorg> and is upstreamable in debain
[10:09] <Wimpress> Nice one, thanks!
[23:00] <malina> after months and months of a passthrough win kvm/qemu, an update? (didn't reboot for a week), now stops gpu(nv) to bepicked up by vfio, unlike before. I added softdep nv/nouv* to ...-load.d/vfio.conf or ratrrher in modprobe.d , and it is agaain caught. However, now when I start the vm, which 'starts' the screen is blank and possibly the passed through controller with trhe hids (kb/m), doesn't seem necessarily to switch over (not sure due to
[23:00] <malina> scree nbeing all blank). recent qemu updates? apparmour? libvirt? something something? where could I find maintainers of these packages? Feel the 'support channel' might be too simplistic.


[03:51] <ace_suares1> http://opensourcecuracao.com/2009/09/19-september-2009-international-software-freedom-day/
[12:44] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:45] <alkisg> Hi teacher :)
[19:24]  * alkisg just saw that the netbooks to be offered to all 12 y.o. Greek students are actually dual boot (windows/edubuntu 9.04)! Woot!
[21:07] <Guest36890> can anyone help me with scim-anthy support Hardy/LTSP
[21:08] <Guest36890> My understanding is that SCIM  and anthy are supposed to work with any gtk apps
[21:08] <Guest36890> I can't get it working for anything expect texteditor
[21:08] <Guest36890> Japanese teacher needs it by monday
[21:08] <Guest36890> :-(
[21:09] <Guest36890> One problem seems to be that scim doesn't daemonize like it should
[21:10] <Guest36890> I should see a bunch of scim relatated processes running when a user logs in, but that isn't the case
[21:11] <Guest36890> nothing shows up in the logs
[21:12] <Guest36890> this hasn't helped https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_8.04_using_SCIM
[21:16] <Guest36890> I see that when I do "locale" as root it returns LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[21:17] <Guest36890> When I do this as a normal user I it returns LANG=
[21:17] <LaserJock> Guest36890: you might want to ask #ubuntu, scim is a general Ubuntu package
[21:17] <Guest36890> ok
[21:18] <Guest36890> I guess I will,
[21:18] <Guest36890> thanks
[21:33] <Guest36890> no takers on ubuntu
[21:33] <Guest36890> this is disapointing
[21:34] <Guest36890> it worked under the previous LTS I upgraded this summer to 8.04
[21:34] <Guest36890> I guess I may need to go back to 7.04
[21:34] <Guest36890> what a drag
[21:35] <Guest36890> I love running edubuntu, but the pain of changing versions always bums me out.
[21:36] <LaserJock> did you try asking the Japanese Ubuntu group?
[21:36] <Guest36890> No, that's an interesting idea, but as you say this is a sort of general question about SCIM seemlingly
[21:36] <Guest36890> Perhaps I should, I wonder if they would mind my not asking in japanese, though
[21:37] <LaserJock> I just don't know who else would know much about SCIM
[21:38] <Guest36890> yah
[21:38] <Guest36890> Perhaps sbalneav but he doesn't seem to be on


[06:02] <veverone> Hi
[06:02] <veverone> I would like to confirm a bug... can anyone help me with it?
[06:02] <veverone> I report it here > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1341247
[06:04] <veverone> I believe this is imporntat and confirming it will push it further in the "to fix" Ubuntu development queue


 Happy days after that. :)
[07:15] <iulian> dholbach: And there?
[07:15] <dholbach> viva means? defending the thesis?
[07:17] <iulian> dholbach: Viva voce. Yes but it's an undergrad thesis, so all the material is already known.
[07:17] <dholbach> all the best with that then!
[07:17] <iulian> Thanks very much. :)
[07:17] <iulian> Should probably get back to it. Catch you later.
[07:17] <dholbach> life's good - I'm looking forward to tonight - I'll have my first diving lesson
[07:18] <dholbach> see you!
[09:31] <geser> hmm, does the ", yes" makes any sense in "dh $@ --with python2, yes"?
[09:31] <jtaylor> is there a space there?
[09:32] <jtaylor> dh arguments must not have spaces between the comma
[09:33] <geser> yes, there is a space
[09:33] <jtaylor> it probably does nothing then
[09:34] <geser> it seems to make the package FTBFS: dh_python2 -ayes ; Usage: dh_python2 -p PACKAGE [-V [X.Y][-][A.B]] DIR [-X REGEXPR]
[09:34] <jtaylor> which package?
[09:34] <geser> monsterz from saucy-proposed
[09:35] <geser> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/140887310/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.monsterz_0.7.1-5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:35] <jtaylor> hm
[09:35] <jtaylor> great
[09:35] <jtaylor> one of those built on DD machine, good enough
[09:35] <jtaylor> fails everywhere
[09:35] <jtaylor> wait, the maintainer should fix that
[09:35] <jtaylor> and debian introduce source only uploads ._.
[09:36] <jtaylor> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=monsterz
[09:36] <Laney> build failure mails by default would be a good start ...
[09:37] <jtaylor> you do get those I think
[09:37] <Laney> no, you have to subscribe to the package on the pts
[09:37] <jtaylor> oh
[09:37] <jtaylor> that sucks
[09:37] <Laney> kind of does
[09:38] <jtaylor> btw geser please forward your as-need patches
[09:39] <jtaylor> saint wasn't forwarded, (did it for you #710364)
[09:40] <geser> will do (once I figure out why the BTS didn't like my last attempts to file a bug)
[09:54] <geser> does porting from python3.2 to python3.3 needs many changes? there are currently 2 package in build-wait on python3.2
[09:55] <jtaylor> depends on the package
[09:55] <jtaylor> usually not
[09:56] <mitya57> geser: which packages?
[09:57] <geser> uucp-lmtp and python-dvdvideo
[09:59] <mitya57> let me look
[10:03] <mitya57> uucp-lmtp ftbfs in (non-clean) sid also, because it calls $(shell py3versions -r) setup.py
[10:07] <mitya57> python-dvdvideo is similar, will now file bugs with patches to bts
[10:08] <jtaylor> the stricter debian/pyversions check?
[10:08] <jtaylor> weird that those are not filed yet
[10:10] <mitya57> jtaylor: re ftbfs in sid I was mistaken, because -r reads d/control where 3.2 is hardcoded; anyway it will ftbfs when we drop 3.2
[10:10] <geser> probably because they are arch:all which nobody tried to rebuild in Debian yet
[10:11]  * mitya57 wonders why these packages are 3.0 (native) and install scripts to /usr/sbin
[10:25] <mitya57> (done)
[10:39] <jtaylor> cjwatson: can you please forward your tarantool patch to debian, its not applied there and I can't tell for what its needed
[10:39] <jtaylor> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/134183145/tarantool_1.4.8%2B20130212.1728-1_1.4.8%2B20130212.1728-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:43] <geser> jtaylor: my guess to fix the FTBFS on i386: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131061509/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.tarantool_1.4.8%2B20130212.1728-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:44] <jtaylor> why does debian not need it?
[10:44] <cjwatson> I'll check
[10:44] <jtaylor> thx
[10:45] <cjwatson> Might be a side-effect of --as-needed/--no-copy-dt-needed-entries
[10:50] <jtaylor> yey automated ImplicitPointerConversions check :)
[10:50] <jtaylor> found a pretty suble bug in squeak-vm
[11:00] <cjwatson> jtaylor: Ha, I did forward that patch :-P
[11:00] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703044
[11:00] <cjwatson> So I'll test-build and sync
[11:00] <cjwatson> It looks like it's just fixed differently in Debian/upstream
[11:00] <jtaylor> hm
[11:01] <jtaylor> k
[11:01] <jtaylor> I just checked the patch file and didn't see it
[11:01] <jtaylor> *patched
[11:01] <cjwatson> jtaylor: Like I say, fixed differently.  The code in question doesn't refer to the offending symbol any more.
[11:01] <jtaylor> thanks for checking
[11:02] <jtaylor> I usually file the debian bug before uploading so I can add a reference to the patch
[11:51] <mitya57> oh, lintian now depends on three more perl modules from universe :(
[11:51]  * mitya57 will file MIRs later if noone else does
[11:52] <jtaylor> can someone tell me why wmnd is not migrating?
[11:52] <jtaylor> I can'T see any errors in exuses and output
[11:53] <Laney> jtaylor: excuses says "Depends: net-snmp"
[11:53] <Laney> means it's blocking on that
[11:53] <jtaylor> but below it says valid candidate?
[11:53] <Laney> right
[11:53] <Laney> it's otherwise good at the first stage, but something else is holding it back
[11:54] <Laney> so get net-snmp to migrate ... looks fun
[12:00] <jtaylor> arg the third package with an unforwarded as-needed patch!
[12:11] <jtaylor> forth package ..
[12:45] <cjwatson> jtaylor: anything related to net-snmp or libgd is blocked on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/libgd2.html
[12:45] <cjwatson> I sorted out all the ones directly related to net-snmp, but they're intertangled
[12:45] <cjwatson> I've been trying to get plplot to build, but it's complex
[12:46] <cjwatson> I think the answer may be to drop the Ada bindings as well as D
[15:57] <jbicha> jtaylor: I think we're going to need 0001-Revert-data-Hide-rygel-preferences-in-GNOME.patch which Debian dropped in their latest releases
[15:59] <jtaylor> our gnome can't do it?
[16:03] <jtaylor> but yes probably it should be added back if ubuntu sticks with the older control center
[16:04] <jtaylor> what are the gnome plans for saucy?
[16:11] <mitya57> jtaylor: I believe we are going to upgrade most things (including g-c-c) to 3.8
[16:12] <jtaylor> jbicha: as you are here could it be that you dropped the patch for bug 995281 in the split into five-or-more?
[16:15] <jbicha> jtaylor: I think Ubuntu will *eventually* upgrade to control-center 3.8 but there's still more work needed and the Desktop Team is busy with everything else
[16:16] <jbicha> the upstream bug for five-or-more claims it should have been fixed in 3.8
[16:16] <jtaylor> apparently not I can reproduce the crash
[16:16] <jtaylor> I'll try if the patch stil works
[16:16] <jtaylor> (it applies)
[16:17] <jbicha> it doesn't segfault here...
[16:17] <jtaylor> 32bit?
[16:17] <jbicha> 64
[16:17] <jtaylor> it only affects 32
[16:17] <jtaylor> you get it in a raring i386 chroot
[16:19] <jtaylor> at least it builds faster now :)
[16:21] <jtaylor> jbicha: the old patch still fixes it
[16:31] <jtaylor> oh man just figured out you can move around corners in this game!
[16:32] <TheLordOfTime> lol?
[16:32] <jtaylor> thats why I found it so incredibly hard ^^
[16:32] <jtaylor> I though it was one of those almost impossible to beat unless your lucky games ._.
[16:40] <jtaylor> jbicha: I added the patch back, sru later ._.
[16:42] <jtaylor> for five-or-more, not rygel


[08:39] <CppD> help, PLEASE.  im getting stuck (hanging) after i boot with the noapic in the bootstring
[08:40] <CppD> what do i do?  im running gutsy
[14:18] <miickee> I need help with hdparm/sdparm
[14:18] <miickee>  Timing cached reads:   620 MB in  2.00 seconds = 309.77 MB/sec
[14:18] <miickee>  Timing buffered disk reads:   10 MB in  3.52 seconds =   2.84 MB/sec
[14:18] <miickee> That's so slow
[14:23] <jrib> miickee: use #ubuntu for help
[14:23] <jrib> this channel is dead as you may have noticed


[08:35] <elacheche> belkinsa: Sure.. Let me just survive this monday morning x)
[08:35] <Kilos> hi elacheche belkinsa dholbach svij and others
[08:36] <elacheche> Hello Kilos :) You mlissed a news, I'll re-share it in #ubuntu-africa
[08:37] <Kilos> cool ty
[08:38] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[08:45] <svij> morning all
[17:29] <wxl> theShirbiny: did you need something from the LoCo Council?
[17:35] <theShirbiny> wxl, yes
[17:35] <wxl> theShirbiny: i'm all ears
[17:36] <theShirbiny> I've sent an email, you didn't get it?
[17:36] <wxl> theShirbiny: oh sorry. didn't put two and two together :)
[17:36] <theShirbiny> one, sec i'll copy/paste it here
[17:36] <theShirbiny> Hi everyone,
[17:36] <theShirbiny> The topic of #ubuntu-eg needs to be updated, 15.10 was released more than a year ago and have reached eol at this point. I've contacted the local team but they did nothing about it.
[17:36] <theShirbiny> Thanks
[17:38] <wxl> theShirbiny: thanks. i'll see what we can do.
[17:39] <theShirbiny> wxl, thank you :)


[16:20] <arraybolt3> ANNOUNCEMENT: Lubuntu 23.04 is now end-of-life. If you are still using it, please upgrade to or install a supported release of Lubuntu as soon as possible. https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-23-04-end-of-life/
[16:36] <arraybolt3> teward: we need a room topic change
[16:36] <arraybolt3> suggestion:
[16:37] <arraybolt3> ah you got it
[16:38] <arraybolt3> thank you kindly :)
[16:38] <teward> send more coffee
[16:38] <arraybolt3> I knew you were going to say that
[16:38] <teward> at least i'm just a coffee addict.  far worse i could be addicted to xD
[16:39] <teward> i'll update other channels when i'm at my computer
[16:39] <arraybolt3> Thanks :) None of the others mention 23.04 so this was the only important one that I know of.
[16:40] <arraybolt3> at least for us
[16:42]  * genii twitches and heads to the coffeepot


[04:52] <Kilos> morning superfly and other early bords
[04:52] <Kilos> birds too
[04:53] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[04:53]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[04:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[04:57] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie baie
[04:57] <Maaz> Geniet jou koppie boeretroos Kilos
[06:31] <sakhi> moonin
[09:00] <mciverza> Maaz: coffee on please
[09:00] <Maaz> mciverza: Huh?
[09:00] <mciverza> Maaz: coffee?
[09:01] <Maaz> mciverza: Huh?
[09:02] <mciverza> Just installed Windows 7. it kicks the pants of Narwhal
[09:02]  * mciverza tries to begin friday flame
[09:03] <inetpro> mciverza: don't come with stories
[09:05]  * mciverza winks
[13:12]  * sakhi drops a pin.
[13:12] <Tonberry> whaaaaaaa!
[13:12] <Tonberry> dont scare me like that....
[13:15] <sakhi> how is it going Tonberry ?
[13:15] <Tonberry> hot...
[13:16] <Tonberry> and my packets are missing...
[13:19] <sakhi> are you using Cisco, 3com or brocade?
[13:29] <Tonberry> im playing with a vpn
[13:30] <Tonberry> and for some reason it loses a really lot of pings on the windows client if its under load
[13:49] <superfly> linuxboy: junction.co.za
[18:36] <superfly> drubin: ping
[18:43] <drubin> superfly: pong
[18:44] <superfly> drubin: it's a good thing I said we should meet for lunch next week...  Sleep tight.


 You?
[09:05] <ducasse> fine here, thanks. not doing much yet, about to upgrade my mikrotik gear to the latest routeros.
[09:06] <lordievader> Have fun with that 😉
[09:07] <ducasse> hehe, it's usually a painless thing :)
[09:12] <lordievader> Usually 😋
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:32] <LtWorf> hi
[11:34] <BluesKaj> hi LtWorf
[12:03] <jimb_> Good day y'all.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> hey jimb_
[12:59] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:59] <lordievader> How are you?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader. fine here, and you?
[13:06] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> right :-)
[19:08] <nacc_> ugh, DO droplet, with only xenial-security enabled and then all 3rd party stuff
[19:09] <daftykins> ;_;
[19:09] <daftykins> DO's lovely though :D
[23:24]  * TJ- has steam coming out of his ears
[23:26] <nacc> something is fubar
[23:26] <nacc> dunno what :)
[23:26] <TJ-> I do!!
[23:26]  * nacc is busy doing the PHP7.2 migration
[23:27] <TJ-> But I'm too polite to day
[23:27] <nacc> heh
[23:27] <TJ-> I'm not sure who's got the better task here :D
[23:29] <nacc> TJ-: you. a thousand times you :)
[23:29] <nacc> manual bootstrapping of phpunit is a PITA
[23:34] <daftykins> o0
[23:35] <nacc> daftykins: looped dependencies :)
[23:35] <nacc> phpunit is used to test all of its own dependencies, which phpunit in turn depends on
[23:36] <daftykins> i upgraded my ZFS test box to 18.04 for fun, that got stuck with plymouth text depending on lsb-release being configured, which depended on plymouth text being configured - that was fun
[23:37] <nacc> daftykins: was that the ping loop?
[23:37] <nacc> *a ping loop, i mean
[23:37] <daftykins> not sure how you mean 'ping' in the context of packages
[23:38] <TJ-> daftykins: the plymouth --ping bug
[23:38] <daftykins> it wasn't an important machine - and i only upgraded for fun, so i just nuked it :)
[23:38] <daftykins> i have no idea what that is
[23:39] <daftykins> TJ-: oh you'd love this, it seems subiquity fails to even nuke a disk that isn't already blank, to install to
[23:39] <TJ-> plymouth gets stuck in a loop ping-ing itself
[23:39] <daftykins> it was only trying to configure it at upgrade time, so i have no evidence to that
[23:40] <TJ-> daftykins: Yes, I saw that bug too when I was going through the list
[23:40] <daftykins> ah i didn't see anything along those lines earlier with a quick glance
[23:40] <daftykins> essentially every feature of that installer doesn't work
[23:40] <daftykins> oh and what's with this netplan rubbish?
[23:41] <TJ-> daftykins: that's why i's called _sub_iquity :)
[23:41] <TJ-> netplan isn't rubbish!
[23:41] <daftykins> well it sure looks it when you have to write silly format config files
[23:45] <TJ-> The point is that they can be written in a single syntax and deployed to systemd-networkd, network-manager, ifupdown or anything else at boot-time without the admin needing to learn different net configs
[23:45] <daftykins> yeah instead they just have to learn a ridiculous format judging by what i've seen :/
[23:46] <daftykins> also what's cloud-init about? sounded like it was going off online to do something
[23:46] <nacc> daftykins: http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
[23:46] <TJ-> It's YAML format
[23:47] <daftykins> it has a quirky mix of new lines and square braces for comma separated lists and ugh
[23:48] <daftykins> doubt i'll learn to write out of those out from memory versus the lovely simple /etc/network/interfaces :)
[23:48] <nacc> daftykins: that's YAMLL
[23:48] <nacc> you can either use a [] list or a newlined, - started list
[23:49] <daftykins> :|
[23:49] <nacc> and if you have to do anything even reasonaby compilcated (thinnk cloud) with eni, you'd know why it's terrible :)
[23:49] <TJ-> ifupdown is about 20 years old!
[23:50] <nacc> yeah
[23:50] <daftykins> well age isn't a very good argument
[23:50] <nacc> in that it has't changed in 20 years while the entire industry has
[23:50] <nacc> it is *an* argument, at lelast
[23:52] <daftykins> can't see why this cloud-init junk needs to be on by default but ho-hum
[23:54] <TJ-> Because the massive majority of ubuntu-server deploys are now virtual machines or containers
[23:57] <daftykins> extra junk to purge then


[05:21] <Guest69006> o/
[05:35] <jackson_> o/
[07:30] <icey> ahoy
[09:50] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> Morning


[08:40] <jtv> Is anyone here familiar with environs/jujutest?  I think it may be what I need to write integration tests for our own provider.
[14:39] <dimitern> we have a test failure on trunk right now
[14:39] <dimitern> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5596073/
[14:39] <dimitern> TheMue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5596073/
[14:41] <TheMue> dimitern: thx
[14:41] <dimitern> TheMue: well, running the test suite again it seems it passes
[14:41] <dimitern> I'll file a intermittent test failure bug
[14:42] <TheMue> dimitern: This is the already known and in LP entered bug. The fix is already in review, see the kanban board.
[14:42] <TheMue> dimitern: No, don't file it again.
[14:42] <TheMue> dimitern: You already added the intermittent flag to this bug. :D
[14:42] <dimitern> TheMue: Ok, I'll just update it then
[14:42] <dimitern> TheMue: can you send me a link to the CL with the fix/
[14:44] <TheMue> dimitern: https://codereview.appspot.com/7423045/
[14:44] <dimitern> TheMue: yeah :) just looking at it
[14:44] <TheMue> dimitern: ;)
[14:44] <dimitern> no worries then, it's known and has a fix pending
[14:47] <TheMue> dimitern: Yes, only need a 2nd review.
[14:49] <dimitern> mgz: ^^ ?
[14:52] <dimitern> davecheney: can you explain please what builddb does and why does it need only the ec2 provider?
[14:57] <davecheney> dimitern: it is a command that runs a charm in ec2 that builds mongodb
[14:57] <davecheney> it will go away when we get mongodb 2.2.0 in a pacakge
[14:59] <dimitern> davecheney: I see, thanks
[16:29] <TheMue> dimitern: https://codereview.appspot.com/7423045 is in again
[18:10] <dimitern> TheMue: you've got LGTM on the ports fix from me already
[18:11] <dimitern> can I get a really quick trivial review on https://codereview.appspot.com/7616044/ ?
[18:16] <davecheney> who wants to write release notes ?
[18:16] <davecheney> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1KpSMl8GcW52W43TBb0f4utd9xk9zz18SomB4J8cEJQs/edit#heading=h.h7wry0fbg197
[18:16] <davecheney> i know, everyone is dying to help
[18:19] <rogpeppe> davecheney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5596677/
[18:46] <TheMue> dimitern: Thx
[18:53] <dimitern> i filed a bug 1152717, found with the help of the gui guys
[18:53] <_mup_> Bug #1152717: state/service.Destroy() may not remove the service with no units due to stale s.doc.UnitCount <state> <juju-core:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152717 >
[19:12] <dimitern> rogpeppe: https://codereview.appspot.com/7616044/ please?
[19:54] <davecheney> nag, https://code.launchpad.net/~dave-cheney/juju-core/101-lp-1152202/+merge/152192
[21:41] <davecheney> looking for 2nd reviewer on, https://codereview.appspot.com/7650043/
[21:41] <davecheney> https://codereview.appspot.com/7644045/
[21:42] <davecheney> https://codereview.appspot.com/7551046/
[22:18] <robbiew> davecheney: I'm flattered you think I could even do that kanban task. LOL
[22:18] <robbiew> the awesomeness of autocomplete
[22:19] <robbiew> robbiew vs rogpeppe
[22:19] <rogpeppe> robbiew: ha ha
[22:20] <rogpeppe> robbiew: it's all yours now
[22:20] <robbiew> yeah....so that probably wouldn't be good for you all
[22:20] <robbiew> lol
[22:49] <davecheney> i'm just rolling the 1.9.10 release now
[22:49] <davecheney> does anyone want to be a tester before we all bugger off to the pub ?
[22:57] <davecheney> ok, debs are pushed, who wants to test ?
[23:37] <davecheney> rogpeppe: https://codereview.appspot.com/7481048/
[23:38] <davecheney> mgz: https://codereview.appspot.com/7481048/
[23:45] <davecheney> ok, new ppa building now
[23:45] <davecheney> will check back in an hour or so


[01:51] <bz0b> hey guys
[01:53] <LinuxJones> bz0b, hi
[08:43] <JaneW> morning all
[08:44] <Burgundavia> morning JaneW
[08:47] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:48] <JaneW> hi
[09:21] <highvoltage> hi there
[09:25] <Burgundavia> morning ogra
[09:25] <ogra> morning
[10:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, that email fo sabdfl is very ZA-specific :)
[10:31] <ogra> jsgotangco, is it ?
[10:33] <jsgotangco> well it is a call in ZA, but he hopes it would be a model to the world
[10:43] <ogra_> jsgotangco, he calls for descriptions of projects that already exist worldwide.... sure the target is ZA...
[10:51] <JaneW> hi ogra
[10:51] <JaneW> how are you today?
[10:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes "This is a mail to the global Ubuntu community, to ask for your help in formulating a national government strategy on Free Software for South Africa. We hope this work will also be used as a model for many countries world wide."
[10:51] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the call is global, but the aim in this case is focused on SA
[10:56] <ogra_> JaneW, a bit better...
[10:57] <JaneW> ogra_: snap
[11:06] <jsgotangco> i wanna cry
[11:06] <ogra_> jsgotangco, why ?
[11:06] <jsgotangco> ogra_, Hoary and Breezy are a PITA in the laptop that was sent to me
[11:07] <ogra_> thats why you got it... to have it solved in breezy+1
[11:07] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[11:07] <jsgotangco> its just frustrating its a nice unit
[11:07] <JaneW> ogra_: how are you today?
[11:07] <ogra_> JaneW, still a bit better :)
[11:10] <JaneW> ogra_: good...
[11:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i like the idea though and probably contribute some in the wiki
[11:12] <jsgotangco> i will forward his email to a local list
[11:12] <ogra_> JaneW, but it looks like gnome-power will be deferred :( i cant make its architecture work for us, its too similar to network-manager... mdz will slay me i guess....
[11:12] <JaneW> PITAs are nice:)
[11:13] <jsgotangco> ogra_, do you think a successful install will also depend on how a unit is physically placed (say on top of a bed compared to a sturday table)
[11:14] <jsgotangco> it sounds silly though
[11:14] <ogra_> hmmm
[11:14] <jsgotangco> (considering the angle of the install media)
[11:14] <ogra_> depends how crappy assembled your HW is...
[11:15] <ogra_> i.e. my built in DVD in this laptop cant even read bought audio CDs, if i reburn them on DVD its fine...
[11:16] <JaneW> PITA=?
[11:16] <JaneW> ogra_: dare I ask if any of our frustrating situation has improved yet?
[11:16] <ogra_> JaneW, a bit...
[11:17] <ogra_> JaneW, mhz made a sucessfull install yesterday if i understood him right... he has a presentation with edubuntu these days
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm i will be making a presentation in a local university, maybe its a good idea to show edubuntu
[11:18] <ogra_> jsgotangco, do you present ltsp ? mhz is explicitly going for a ltsp install :)
[11:19] <jsgotangco> well i have 2 laptops i can try
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i can probably just show to the faculty
[11:19] <ogra_> note that ltsp doesnt work over wireless
[11:19] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i'll do a cross cable then
[11:20] <ogra_> yup
[11:22] <ogra_> jsgotangco, just follow the notes on http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting and dont use the daily CDs
[11:22] <jsgotangco> use colony instead?
[11:22] <ogra_> nope, the one thats linked from that wikipage...
[11:23] <jsgotangco> okay
[11:23] <ogra_> (this is sort of a edubuntu colony)
[11:23] <ogra_> grmpf
[11:24] <ogra_> and tested
[11:26] <jsgotangco> ogra's colony? heh
[11:27] <ogra_> heh :=)
[11:30] <ogra_> JaneW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[11:30] <ogra_> looking better :)
[11:34] <ogra_> hey, i said its looking better... no reason to flee...
[12:02] <JaneW> do we need an equivalent page to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryArtwork for edubutnu?
[12:04] <ogra_> heh, you seem to have the same thoughts today, i'm just creating the edubuntu-artwork package... and wanted to ask if i should simply include all wallpapers we have on the wiki now
[12:04] <ogra_> i dont think we need such a page...
[12:04] <ogra_> at least not the special "icons" part
[12:05] <ogra_> JaneW, did you get my last msg before your line dropped ?
 JaneW, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
 looking better :)
[12:23] <jsgotangco> wooo now language-pack-en stalls at stage 2 88%
[12:23] <jsgotangco> what more can I ask :)
[12:25] <ogra_> switch to tty4
[12:25] <ogra_> (alt f4)
[12:26] <ogra_> what does it say
[12:29] <jsgotangco> hmmm i wasn't able to do that i forced to shutdown the machine
[12:29] <ogra_> hmm... did you have network connection during install ?
[12:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:29] <ogra_> hmm...
[12:29] <ogra_> i dont have that here
[12:29] <jsgotangco> this is colony 3
[12:30] <ogra_> ah, i thought you installed the edubuntu CD
[12:30] <jsgotangco> oh the edubuntu cd installs fine
[12:30] <ogra_> :)
[12:30] <ogra_> nice to hear
[12:30] <jsgotangco> i am complaining about the beloved Tecra M2
[12:31] <jsgotangco> Breezy's X is the most beautiful i have seen yet though
[12:31] <ogra_> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples should i put all wallpapers in the package for now to have them selectable in the theme selector ? (except the one that says "testing")
[12:33] <jsgotangco> ogra_, if stage 2 still hangs i can just check on tty4 and see what's being done right?
[12:33] <ogra_> yup
[12:33] <jsgotangco> ok anything else or just tty4?
[12:34] <jsgotangco> because its asking me a question if I should install packages, etc.
[12:34] <ogra_> tty4 shows the progress of the installation
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ok great i will just restart this andcheck
[12:47] <JaneW> gess what's up with my link today...? :(
[12:51] <ogra_> JaneW, so another time...
[12:51] <ogra_> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples should i put all wallpapers in the package for now to have them selectable in the theme selector ? (except the one that says "testing")
[12:52] <ogra_> i think that makes sense
[12:53] <ogra_> hmm, seems she dropped again...
[01:36] <ogra_> JaneW, alive now ?
[03:43] <ogra_> poor jane_
[03:45] <Petaris> Hi ogra_
[03:45] <ogra_> hey Petaris
[03:47] <jane_> ogra: sorry this line is just ridiculous today...
[03:47] <jane_> ogra: but at least I am catching up on my e-mail backlog
[03:48] <ogra_> jane_: i know how that feels.... :/
[03:52] <ogra_> Petaris: try sabayon... and create a user profile
[03:52] <Petaris> You know a management interface that allows you to change client desktops easily would be wonderful, make the change and have the users logout  then back in and tada
[03:52] <ogra_> we'll probably include it
[03:52] <ogra_> thats sabayon
[03:53] <Petaris> is that gnome only?
[03:53] <Petaris> hrm
[03:53] <ogra_> yup
[03:54] <ogra_> its the gnome version of kiosk mode but far more fine grained
[03:54] <Petaris> I need a better solution
[03:54] <Petaris> :/
[03:55] <ogra_> but it does exactly what you described above
[03:56] <Petaris> But I need a solution for icewm
[03:57] <ogra_> thats why we didnt pick icewm for this release, there is no sane and easy solution...
[03:58] <ogra_> you have to edit /etc/skel or the users ~/.icewm files... thats evil ...
[03:58] <Petaris> ogra_: If you plan on having a light weight ltsp offering you will need some easy way for users to manage the client desktops
[03:59] <Petaris> what is /etc/skel?
[03:59] <ogra_> yup... as i said, tat will require a good thought out solution that takes time to develop... so we picked the stuff we know that works for this release...
[04:00] <Petaris> hrm
[04:00] <ogra_> the default files that get copied into the users home dir, some people do the default settings for icewm there
[04:00] <Petaris> I suppose that one could do it with a perl script
[04:00] <Petaris> oh, ok
[04:01] <ogra_> sure, but on the next upgrade your changes might be lost...
[04:01] <ogra_> thats why you dont just use random perl scripts for such things
[04:01] <Petaris> not if that script pulls from a static config file
[04:02] <Petaris> you could create a dumby user and set their profile up to be a template that the script pulls from to set for all users of the ltsp group
[04:03] <Petaris> hrm
[04:03] <Petaris> it could be done   ;)
[04:08] <Petaris> ogra: do you know if there is a lesson pack for ktouch?
[04:08] <jane_> ogra: so do we have anything workable yet?
[04:09] <ogra_> jane_ sure, we already have users... mhz is about to do a presentation with edubuntu
[04:09] <ogra_> jane_ Petaris is using hios own tweaked version...
[04:10] <ogra_> his even
[04:11] <ogra_> jane_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[04:11] <ogra_> jane_ the one yellow one from -desktop is a bit odd but should be solved today or tomorrow (depending on pitti)
[04:12] <jane_> yay
[04:12] <jane_> :)
[04:12] <jane_> your mood seems a lot lighter too
[04:12] <jane_> so good news all round
[04:12] <jane_> desktop is looking great
[04:13] <ogra_> due to seb128's transition over the weekend all cdbuilds (ubuntu too) are broken currentyl, but i'm confident well have our CD ready if ubuntu builds agaion
[04:13] <jane_> is server still a headache? (awaiting kamion?)
[04:13] <ogra_> Kamion is needed for preseed changes on the CD...
[04:13] <ogra_> the rest should sort itself over time...
[04:14] <ogra_> nvu is giving me headdaches, but i'm just tlaking with a c++ god this second who might hlep me out here
[04:14] <ogra_> the moodle change is relatively trivial... and the rest of server is only pending pitti reviews
[04:17] <ogra_> (which would already been done, but sabdfl requested a new version of schooltool last week)
[04:17] <jane_> ok
[04:17] <jane_> elaborate?
[04:18] <jane_> new version of schooltool?
[04:19] <ogra_> i have gotten the new schooltool packages on thursday, uploaded on friday... pitti wanted to do the inclusion report for the old version on wednesday, but would have needed a new one for the new version... so that was pending until friday...
[04:20] <ogra_> they are there now... as soon as he has time for it, he'll go on with the reviews
[04:20] <jane_> gah I can not get the BreezyGoal owneres to update their goals without a struggle
[04:20] <jane_> and Matt is getting harsh about it...
[04:21] <ogra_> yes, i can understand it.. it hurts me too to defer gnome-power, but i spent the whole weekend with it and it would still requirew too much work to get it ready this release...
[04:22] <ogra_> its like admitting ou didnt make your job...
[04:23] <ogra_> jane_: nobody likes to admit that he failed his goals...
[04:24] <JaneW> ogra: understood but Matt is adamant that it;s now Feature Freeze so things are either in or out now...
[04:25] <ogra_> i understand that but it still hurts
[04:25] <JaneW> ogra: I understand his need to be tought too
[04:25] <JaneW> ogra: yes, far too much has been deferred
[04:25] <JaneW> but we have learned from it
[04:25] <JaneW> it was unrealistic to tackle quite so many goals
[04:26] <JaneW> we need to streamline better next time
[04:26] <ogra_> hehe, yes, dont pick up random suggestions from users on conferences
[04:26] <JaneW> and prioritise
[04:26] <JaneW> nod nod nod
[04:26] <ogra_> yup
[04:27] <Rondom> quote: ogra_: thats why we didnt pick icewm for this release, there is no sane and easy solution.
[04:27] <Rondom> does that mean icewm won't be the standard wm for edubuntu?
[04:27] <Rondom> hi
[04:27] <ogra_> Rondom: nope
[04:27] <George> hello
[04:27] <ogra_> Rondom: as you can read on www.edubuntu-org
[04:28] <George> I'm doing an article on Linux in Education and I'm very interested in the edubuntu project
[04:28] <ogra_> s/-/.
[04:28] <George> :)
[04:29] <George> ogra_: are you one of the devels?
[04:29] <ogra_> yup
[04:29] <George> cool
[04:29] <George> ogra_: do you know much about the Skubuntu installations in S. Africa?
[04:29] <ogra_> George: and jane_ is our release manager :)
[04:29] <George> :)
[04:30] <ogra_> George: that would be a question for highvoltage, he's skubuntu dev
[04:30] <George> ah, ok
[04:30] <ogra_> they presented skubuntu o our summit though
[04:30] <ogra_> s/o/on
[04:30] <George> is there anything you can tell me about edubuntu, as the wiki seems to be a bit of a maze
[04:30] <George> and a bit thin on details
[04:31] <Rondom> george: indeed
[04:31] <ogra_> its a "out of the box ltsp install" with gome desktop, educational apps and a handfull of servers like mediawiki, schooltool and moodle
[04:32] <George> ogra_: ah cool
[04:32] <George> ogra_: what's its relationship with ubuntu?
[04:32] <ogra_> all stuff we develop gets developed in ubuntu
[04:32] <George> ah
[04:32] <George> ogra_: do you think you could provide me with some screenshots?
[04:33] <ogra_> only the app selection that lands on the CD, the artwork and the server stuff are different
[04:33] <George> ok
[04:33] <Rondom> the wiki isn't a big maze, it's only sometimes difficult to find the things you need, but this is murphy's law
[04:33] <George> Rondom: hehe
[04:33] <Rondom> question, will there alo be live-cds for edubuntu
[04:33] <George> yes, that's a point
[04:33] <ogra_> currently they would look like ubuntu... there is not much difference yet... i'm just fifnishing the artwork package here so we can actually use the contributed stuff
[04:34] <Rondom> yes
[04:34] <Rondom> I only considered showing other people at school edubuntu wehn it#s mature enough
[04:34] <George> ogra_: do you think you could send me some screenshots to publish?
[04:34] <ogra_> Rondom: i planned it, but i doubt we'll have enough time this release... additionally you couldnt really use ltsp from a CD its just to slow
[04:35] <ogra_> Rondom: it would be rather a presentation tool to have a liveCD
[04:35] <Rondom> you have a point
[04:35] <Rondom> ltsp wasn't the thing I would use on a live-cd
[04:35] <George> ogra_: please? :)
[04:36] <Rondom> but I doubt linux has big chance at our school
[04:36] <ogra_> George: as i said, we currently look like ubuntu... as soon as we have something i can send you shots of it indeed
[04:36] <George> ah
[04:36] <George> ok
[04:36] <Rondom> they don't even use ff and oo, but ie and ms office
[04:37] <ogra_> there is no big difference... as long as it doesnt come to visual basic driver enhancements
[04:37] <George> ogra_: can you tell me a bit about the Student Control Panel?
[04:37] <George> ogra_: or point me to some resources about it?
[04:38] <ogra_> George: it is unlikely to be ready for this release, but it will give te teacher control over the logged in students and their running apps
[04:38] <George> ahh, cool
[04:38] <George> ogra_: any screenies?
[04:38] <ogra_> www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[04:39] <ogra_> brb
[04:42] <Rondom> ogra_, are you from germany
[04:42] <jane_> hi George
[04:42] <JaneW> sorry this is really me
[04:43] <George> hey :)
[04:43] <JaneW> I have been bouncing between sessions today, trying to get a persistent connection
[04:43] <George> heh
[04:43] <JaneW> George: regarding screenshots and details etc etc
[04:43] <JaneW> we don't have that much available yet
[04:43] <George> ok
[04:44] <JaneW> because orga is still slaving away to get the fountation put together
[04:44] <JaneW> foundation even
[04:44] <JaneW> and it has been a challenge to say the least
[04:44] <JaneW> ;)
[04:44] <George> hardly surprising :)
[04:44] <George> distros are big projects
[04:44] <George> heh
[04:45] <JaneW> hopefully in the next couple of weeks we can make steady progress and start getting some nice look and feel stuff on top to
[04:45] <JaneW> too
[04:47] <George> nice
[04:47] <George> I presume GNOME was used as that's the default DE for Ubuntu?
[04:47] <George> (said like a true KDE dude)
[04:47] <George> :)
[04:51] <Petaris> Random: What type of school?
[04:53] <Rondom> Petaris: do you mean me
[04:53] <JaneW> George: yes we are Gnome by default (althoug that was quite a debate)
[04:54] <Rondom> what do you want to know exactly?
[04:55] <George> JaneW: heh
[04:55] <Rondom> Petaris: are you familiar with the german school system?
[04:56] <Petaris> Rondom: no I'm not
[04:56] <Petaris> I was just curious what grade levels your school serves
[04:57] <Petaris> I'm K-12 here, but I'm not sure how that translates
[04:57] <Rondom> after primary school we have three types of school: you have one school for the good pupils, one for the average and one for the worse pupils
[04:58] <Rondom> I went to the gymnasium (a dictionary says it's "grammar school" in english), which is the school for better pupils. After that you go to the oberstufe
[04:58] <ogra_> Rondom: ha ha
[04:59] <ogra_> (school for "better" pupils)
[04:59] <Rondom> after finishing the oberstufe you have something similiar to the A-Levels in the english/american school-system
[04:59] <Rondom> ogra_, are you from germany?
[04:59] <ogra_> yup
[05:00] <ogra_> and i doubt that a gymnasium is a "school for better pupils"
[05:00] <Rondom> yes I meant
[05:00] <Rondom> good
[05:00] <Rondom> but it's is a school for better pupils
[05:00] <Rondom> and the realschule a school for normal pupils
[05:01] <Rondom> and the hauptschule is a school for pupils who are a little bit worse
[05:01] <Rondom> petaris, where are you from?
[05:02] <Rondom> don't know
[05:02] <Petaris> Rondom: US
[05:03] <ogra_> Rondom: not the grammar school...
[05:03] <Rondom> WEll, I also went to a comprehensive school, but visited grammar school there
[05:03] <Rondom> If you know what I mean
[05:04] <Rondom> There's a private grammar school in neighbourhood, and it#s the same with them. They believe they are something better
[05:05] <Rondom> but they aren't
[05:05] <Rondom> my sister went to that school and it plays a role if you donate
[05:06] <ogra_> Rondom: i just dont like the term "better pupils"
[05:06] <ogra_> Rondom: its like saying people living in a third world country are "dumb people"
[05:08] <ogra_> just because they dont have the abilitys people in first world countrys have....
[05:08] <Rondom> I also don't like it
[05:09] <Rondom> I don't think of me as something better, because I go to the oberstufe/went to the gymnasium
[05:10] <Rondom> my neighbour used a car battery, some speakers and a "bike wagon" to have music while riding his bike
[05:10] <George> ogra_: can I have that picture of the SCP published?
[05:11] <Rondom> he even built a roof for the wagon, so he can use it when it's rainy
[05:11] <Rondom> this is something I can't do at all
[05:11] <Petaris> ogra_: www.primeur.com
[05:11] <Petaris> er, http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/ums/
[05:11] <Petaris> have you seen that before
[05:11] <ogra_> George: as long as you note that its vaporware for now, sure :)
[05:12] <George> ogra_: heh, ok
[05:12] <George> ogra_: I'll say that it's in the works and could be included as early as the second release of Edubuntu
[05:13] <ogra_> George: i just produced 3 screenshots from the new artwork package (note that its interim for now... we still have to get some artwork)
[05:13] <George> ogra_: where?
[05:13] <ogra_> not uploaded yet...
[05:13] <George> ah, ok
[05:18] <mhz> re
[05:20] <George> ogra_: you were educated in .uk? (just reading your comments about grammar/comprehensives)
[05:20] <ogra_> George: nope, i'm german
[05:20] <George> ah
[05:20] <mhz> .oO(we should have something like Wikipedia... we could have "representatives" from each country/region and give a little support to them (hosting, mail, posters, t-shirts, etc) It's been sort of difficult to borrow a server, invest on t-shirts, biz cards, etc.)
[05:21] <George> ogra_: what sort of control will be given to the teacher in SCP?
[05:23] <ogra_> George: only the basic... "kick this pupil out", "kill this pupils apps" and "connect to this pupils desktop" actions...
[05:24] <ogra_> George: as i said before, for kiosk mode and default profiles we'll have sabayon
[05:24] <George> ogra_: where connect to this pupil's desktop means remote control or just monitoring?
[05:24] <ogra_> a vnc connection on one click
[05:24] <George> ah, ok
[05:25] <ogra_> the screenshot is a bit outdated, the "network" button looks already more intuitive here...
[06:07] <highvoltage> hi there. just as i left work, and typed /quit and hit enter, i noticed someone said something to me here, but i missed it.
[06:07] <highvoltage> sorry :)
[06:31] <George> hey highvoltage
[06:40] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[06:59] <highvoltage> hi Petaris
[07:00] <highvoltage> (been talking to george off-channel)
[07:00] <George> :)
[08:11] <JaneW> ogra: content filtering? Implemented orDeferred?
[08:12] <ogra> deferred
[08:12] <ogra> power management config as well
[08:14] <JaneW> ogra: ok will edit page now
[08:15] <ogra> JaneW, thanks, i was about to do it...
[08:18] <JaneW> np
[08:19] <ogra> :)
[08:21] <JaneW> ogra: I like your screenshot btw..now that I have bandwidth I got a chance to see them :)
[08:21] <JaneW> ogra: but what's the thing that looks like a little embryo in the Usplash screen?
[08:23] <ogra> JaneW, the nautilus icon....
[08:23] <ogra> you see it every time you log in...
[08:24] <JaneW> oic - it's weird!
[08:24] <JaneW> oh is it a shell?
[08:24] <ogra> yep
[08:24] <ogra> but a crappy one
[08:24] <JaneW> ok
[08:24] <ogra> JaneW, i thought the images as they are are placeholders for now... but we can use them if nobody provides us the artwork we need
[08:25] <JaneW> by=tw I know you are not the lead but do you know what's up with GraphicalPartitioningTool? I haven;t been able to get an update from Daniel Holbach
[08:25] <JaneW> ogra: great, at least we have a default then. I think once the CD's are stable and installable we'll get more interest in the artwork
[08:25] <JaneW> do you agree?
[08:25] <ogra> JaneW, the patch was mailed to ubuntu-devel and to the UbuntuExpress guys
[08:25] <JaneW> once ppl are using it they are likley to want to add to and improve it
[08:25] <ogra> yup
[08:26] <ogra> i added all the wallpapers from the wiki for now, i need to find out the names and mail adresses from all the submitters for the copyright notes...
[08:26] <JaneW> ogra: right... mdz thinks there are bits missing...
[08:26] <JaneW> "there were a set of specific modifications to gparted that Daniel was
[08:26] <JaneW> supposed to make, and we need to know which ones are still incomplete."
[08:27] <JaneW> I have no seen him on line today and he hasn't responded to my mail from Friday
[08:27] <ogra> ah, ok... i think he refers to the naming of mountpoints
[08:44] <Petaris> hrm
[08:46] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: how are you doing?
[08:48] <Petaris> highvoltage: how do you acomplish pushing icons to users screens?
[08:49] <Petaris> is it a script or do you use that gnome profile manager
[08:53] <ogra> ok, nvu wont make it... there is no way to support it in main security wise...
[08:54] <ogra> any suggestions, we have the choice between quanta or screem
[08:54] <ogra> #?
[08:54] <Petaris> ogra: is that nvu the web editor
[08:54] <ogra> yep
[08:54] <Petaris> I always had issues with it when I tried it
[08:55] <Petaris> that was when I used dreamweaver though
[08:55] <highvoltage> Petaris: it's a script, borrowed from k12ltsp
[08:55] <Petaris> now I just use a text editor
[08:55] <ogra> it works fine, but due to its source its not supportable
[08:55] <highvoltage> Petaris: a user drags the icon to an icon on their desktop (link to the script)
[08:55] <Petaris> highvoltage: ahh, ok
[08:55] <highvoltage> ths script then accepts this as an argument, and copies this link to all the other users' desktops.
[08:55] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[08:56] <Petaris> do you know how it handles the permissions?
[08:56] <Petaris> oh, wait
[08:56] <highvoltage> ogra: i think quanta+ is very, very cool.
[08:56] <highvoltage> hi JaneW
[08:56] <Petaris> I know how I could do that
[08:56] <highvoltage> Petaris: i think it has a line that chowns it.
[08:56] <highvoltage> Petaris: i can e-mail the script to you, if you like, it's quite small.
[08:56] <ogra> highvoltage, the odd thing is that it depends on silly stuff like kfilereplace and uses documentation thats not in main...
[08:57] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. that is silly.
[08:57] <Petaris> later JaneW
[08:57] <Petaris> highvoltage: yeah that would be great
[08:57] <ogra> highvoltage, but it seems to work well...
[08:57] <Petaris> I will end up tweaking it for use with icewm
[08:58] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. people will be able to install it from universe, so all is cool.
[08:58] <highvoltage> Petaris: your email address?
[08:58] <Petaris> send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:58] <ogra> highvoltage, i'd like tohave everything needed on the CD... only main goes there
[08:59] <ogra> highvoltage, and having referrals all over the place to non existing docs isnt nice...
[08:59] <highvoltage> Petaris: sent
[08:59] <Petaris> cool, thanks
[09:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i understand, no problemo.
[09:00] <JaneW> cheers
[09:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: cheers!
[09:16] !lilo:*! "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world!"
[09:16] !lilo:*! --Greg Bear, _Eon_
[09:29] !lilo:*! (Welcome to our new iteration of herbert.freenode.net, courtesy of IP Minds!)
[09:51] <Rondom> can I make my ubuntu do an edubuntu by installing a meta package?
[09:51] <ogra> Rondom, yes
[09:51] <Rondom> edubuntu-desktop?
[09:51] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server are parts of ubuntu
[09:52] <ogra> and edubuntu-artwork will hit the archive tomorrow i hope
[09:53] <Rondom> that means if I install a hoary and modify a after-installation script to install these packages I have everything I need for edubuntu?
[09:53] <ogra> Rondom, in fact our standalone workstation version will be a ubuntu with edubuntu-desktop/-artwork instead of ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <ogra> Rondom, only for the standalone workstation version
[09:54] <ogra> the default edubuntu is a ltsp based thin client server ...
[09:54] <ogra> workstation will be a install option like the server option is now for ubuntu...
[09:55] <Rondom> whatever
[09:55] <Rondom> I was only asking because I got too much ubuntu cds
[09:55] <ogra> heh
[09:55] <Rondom> I ordered them at two places
[09:56] <ogra> CDRW is a fine invention :)
[09:56] <ogra> oh, ok
[09:56] <Rondom> and I reduced my orders at shipit.ubuntu-linux.org to zero, but I got three times more than I needed
[09:57] <ogra> give them away...
[09:57] <Rondom> that's what I plan to do
[09:57] <ogra> great :)
[09:57] <Rondom> but I don't think anyone needs them
[09:57] <ogra> thats whats the intention of shipit
[09:57] <Rondom> yeah I ordered 25 x86, 5 amd64 and 2 ppc there
[09:57] <ogra> Rondom, 1000 people at linuxtag thought different about it :)
[09:58] <Rondom> now I have around 75 x86
[09:58] <Rondom> 10 amd64
[09:58] <ogra> and even 500 more would have been grabbed by people if they were there
[09:58] <Rondom> what do you mean by that?
[09:58] <ogra> s/were/would have been
[09:59] <ogra> there were only 1000 ubuntu CDs at linuxtag...
[09:59] <Rondom> oh, too few


[00:05] <mr_pouit> knome: it is (in xubuntu-icon-theme)
[00:05] <Unit193> knome: Right, I speak in here. Did a few tests today, alt only working.
[00:50] <ochosi> mr_pouit: you still there?
[03:18] <Unit193> Hmmm... Not AFAIK https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/897786/comments/9
[09:38] <mrpouit> ochosi_: yeah, I'm here
[09:38] <astralja1a> Hi there Lionel.
[09:39] <mrpouit> o/
[09:51] <mrpouit> is that a problem for ubuntustudio if the icon theme is in the xubuntu-icon-theme package? (it's already a dedicated binary package, it won't pull the complete xubuntu-artwork)
[09:52] <mrpouit> I can move it to shimmer-themes if the 'xubuntu' in the package name bothers you :p
[09:53] <astralja1a> Well, not me personally, but I would have to double-check from Scott.
[09:54] <astralja1a> Unfortunately due to the DOS attack, he seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth^Wfreenode, so I don't know when he's around again.
[11:35] <ochosi_> mrpouit: i know we've talked this over before, but i didn't take notes last time :( which were the missing category items?
[11:36]  * knome kicks ochosi_ in the ankle
[11:38] <knome> accessories, games, graphics, office
[11:38] <knome> at least
[13:07] <mr_pouit> yep
[13:09] <mr_pouit> applications-{accessories,games,graphics,office}
[13:11] <ochosi> mr_pouit: are those already the icon-names?
[13:11] <ochosi> or is it something like "xfce-accessories"?
[13:12] <ochosi> (i'll add them now, so you won't have to tell me again ;) )
[13:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit: btw, why didn't you upload the icon-theme named "elementary-xfce" (instead of xubuntu-icon-theme)?
[13:35] <mr_pouit> because the xubuntu-icon-theme package was already in the archive
[13:36] <mr_pouit> I can move the icons to shimmer-themes when it's accepted into the archive
[13:42] <ochosi> hmm, not sure, i wouldn't necessarily put icons and gtk-theme into one package
[13:53] <mr_pouit> no, I meant: source package
[13:53] <mr_pouit> the shimmer-themes source package creates two binary packages: shimmer-themes and shimmer-wallpapers
[13:53] <mr_pouit> so I can add a new binary package: shimmer-icon-themes
[13:53] <ochosi> ah ok
[13:54] <ochosi> let's wait what u-studio guys reply, i don't wanna bother you with unessential stuff
[13:54] <mr_pouit> it'll be exactly like xubuntu-icon-theme, that's why I'm waiting on the reply yeah ;-)
[13:54] <ochosi> hm, so what are the needed icon-names for the categories again?
[13:54] <ochosi> xfce-* or applications-* ?
[13:55] <mr_pouit> oh right, applications-* apparently
[13:55] <ochosi> it's kinda confusing, gnome-icon-theme contains icons named "xfce-utilities" etc
[13:55] <ochosi> i guess those aren't even used at all
[13:57] <ochosi> ok, i guess then i can commit and push what i've already added
[13:59] <ochosi> so i added applications-games,-graphics,-office and -utilities
[13:59] <ochosi> mr_pouit: that should be it, right? ^
[14:00] <mr_pouit> yup
[14:00] <ochosi> humm, the icons-package doesn't yet contain a LICENSE file
[14:01] <ochosi> it does contain an AUTHORS file though
[14:01] <ochosi> (which already states something about the license of gnome-icons, so i guess it's unproblematic to add those four icons without further mention)
[14:02] <mr_pouit> (yeah, please add a LICENSE file if possible -- it will be needed if/when I move the icons to shimmer-themes)
[14:02] <mr_pouit> (but that can wait for now)
[14:02] <mr_pouit> and no, I can't find any .desktop using 'xfce-*' as icon in the default install
[14:04] <mr_pouit> ah, some planel plugins do
[14:04] <mr_pouit> panel-plugins/mailwatch.desktop:Icon=xfce-mail
[14:04] <ochosi> yes, but that's not in the categories folder
[14:04] <ochosi> it's in the panel/ folder
[14:04] <mr_pouit> yup
[14:04] <ochosi> i added those as symlinks in elementary-xfce anyway
[14:05] <mr_pouit> gut
[14:05] <knome> ach so
[14:06] <ochosi> woot, are we talking german now?!
[14:06] <mr_pouit> huhu
[14:06] <knome> nicht
[14:07] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, i just pushed the new icons plus license-files
[14:07] <ochosi> so if i'm not mistaken the icon-stuff should be sorted for precise with that
[14:08] <mr_pouit> domo arigato
[14:08] <ochosi> no problem, mr. roboto
[14:10] <knome> np: Kraftwerk / The Robots
[14:37] <mr_pouit> ochosi: ln -s applications-utilities applications-accessories =)
[14:37] <ochosi> gah
[14:37] <mr_pouit> GNOME and Xfce don't use the same name :<
[14:38] <ochosi> that's why i asked before pushing ...
[14:38] <mr_pouit> 14:09  mr_pouit: applications-{accessories,games,graphics,office}
[14:38] <ochosi> we should submit a bug in xfce about that
[14:38] <ochosi> ok, i see :)
[14:38] <ochosi> mea cupla
[14:38] <ochosi> mea cupla
[14:38] <mr_pouit> yeah, I wrote it, and I didn't check that you read it :P
[14:38] <ochosi> culpa
[14:38] <ochosi> (damn, can't type today)
[14:39] <mr_pouit> but otherwise it works fine :)
[14:39] <ochosi> oh, in fact gnome have both icons
[14:39] <ochosi> accessories and utilities
[14:39] <ochosi> they're different
[14:40] <ochosi> i think i prefer the swiss-knife to the scissors and ruler
[14:40] <mr_pouit> +1
[14:40] <knome> yup
[14:41] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, done
[14:42] <mr_pouit> Icon=orage_globaltime
[14:42] <mr_pouit> (from orage, globaltime.desktop)
[14:42] <ochosi> you mean that one is missing?
[14:42] <mr_pouit> no, it's provided by orage ^_^
[14:43] <ochosi> but does it look ok?
[14:43] <mr_pouit> I'd prefer if it was missing (:
[14:43] <ochosi> ok, i can replace it with a generic clock-icon from elementary if you like
[14:43] <knome> haha
[14:43] <ochosi> it's just a matter of adding symlink
[14:43] <mr_pouit> I have no idea what the current icon represents :]
[14:44] <ochosi> tbh in the menu it seems to be just a clock in oneiric
[14:45] <mr_pouit> omg, there's some text on it, that's why I couldn't get it
[14:45] <knome> haha
[14:45] <ochosi> ?
[14:45] <mr_pouit> http://git.xfce.org/apps/orage/plain/icons/48x48/orage_globaltime.png
[14:46] <knome> hahah
[14:49] <mr_pouit> ochosi: sorry, Icon=applications-education is missing too (I'm trying to display all categories to check them)
[14:49] <ochosi> uargh, orage_globaltime's icon is fugly as hell
[14:50] <ochosi> mr_pouit: there's no such icon in the gnome-icon theme ;)
[14:52] <mr_pouit> applications-science maybe?
[14:52] <ochosi> ok, why not
[14:52] <mr_pouit> I don't really know why, but there are a few naming differences
[14:54] <ochosi> ?
[14:55] <ochosi> mr_pouit: -education done.
[14:55] <mr_pouit> (accessories vs. utilities, etc.)
[14:55] <ochosi> bbl
[14:55] <mr_pouit> thanks
[14:55] <ochosi> np
[14:55] <ochosi> ttyl
[14:56] <knome> see you


[16:37] <tyhicks> hello
[16:37] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:38] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:38]  * sbeattie waves
[16:38] <leosilva> szia!
[16:38] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:38] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 19 16:38:18 2018 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:38] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:38] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:38] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:38] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:38] <tyhicks> The generalist role rotation for this week as follows:
[16:38] <tyhicks> CVE Triage: sarnold, Bug Triage: ratliff, Community: sbeattie, Happy Place: mdeslaur, leosilva
[16:38] <tyhicks> We've had several contributions since the last meeting:
[16:38] <tyhicks> Simon Deziel provided debdiffs for xenial-artful for tor (LP: #1731698)
[16:38] <tyhicks> Philip Rinn provided a debdiff for artful for qtpass (LP: #1747954)
[16:38] <tyhicks> Emmet Hikory (persia) provided debdiffs for xenial-artful for mosquitto (LP: #1752591)
[16:39] <tyhicks> Thanks to the three of you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:39] <tyhicks> Finally, a personal announcement:
[16:39] <tyhicks> This is my last day on the Ubuntu Security Team :/
[16:39] <tyhicks> I'll be moving over to the kernel team but will still have a large focus on security
[16:39] <tyhicks> The security team is a group of talented and wonderful people and I'll miss working so closely with all of them on a day to day basis
[16:39] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:39] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:39]  * jdstrand hugs tyhicks
[16:39]  * tyhicks hugs jdstrand
[16:40]  * mdeslaur hugs tyhicks
[16:40]  * tyhicks hugs mdeslaur
[16:40] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks for all you've done for the team over the years. I look forward to continuing to work closely with you :)
[16:40]  * mdeslaur throws coffee at kernel team
[16:40] <tyhicks> :)
[16:40] <leosilva> tyhicks:  tks for all the fishes and shared knowledged dude
[16:41] <jdstrand> ok, I'll go now
[16:41] <tyhicks> thanks leosilva :)
[16:41] <jdstrand> - short week this week (off Friday)
[16:41] <jdstrand> - email catchup from last week (tons of email)
[16:41] <jdstrand> - I'm hesitant to say what I plan to work on this week since I haven't read the snap forum email yet, but can say I plan to be responsive to urgent PR reviews, particularly surrounding 18.04 desktop priorities. I expect reviews for portals, layouts and steam
[16:41] <jdstrand> - process/prioritize sprint outcomes
[16:41] <jdstrand> - go down the trello backlog as have time
[16:42] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:42] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:42] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:42] <mdeslaur> I just published some php updates
[16:42] <mdeslaur> and I'm working on bunch of other stuff, see ppa for goodies
[16:42] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[16:42] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:42] <sbeattie> I'm in the community role this week
[16:43] <sbeattie> I have paramiko and openjdk updates to publish
[16:43] <sbeattie> I am still working on retpoline backports for gcc-4.6
[16:43] <sbeattie> I also have some kernel cve triage tasks to catch up on.
[16:43] <sbeattie> and that will probably consume my week
[16:44] <sbeattie> tyhicks (for the last time :( ):
[16:44] <tyhicks> I'm cleaning out my desk and trying to wrap up things
[16:45] <tyhicks> I just merged apparmor 2.12-4 from Debian
[16:45] <tyhicks> I'll be looking at a busted autopkgtest in the docker.io package that's preventing apparmor uploads from migrating
[16:45] <tyhicks> I need to leave one last internal documentation trail
[16:46] <tyhicks> I think that's about it
[16:46] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:46] <jjohansen> I have a short week, I am off tuesday
[16:47] <jjohansen> I am poking at an LXD issue with apparmor https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/4340
[16:47] <jjohansen> and following up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1755563
[16:48] <jjohansen> and I am still working my way through the newest iteration of the LSM stacking patches that dropped last week
[16:48] <jjohansen> I expect that will take the rest of my week
[16:48] <jjohansen> sarnold: you're up
[16:49] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week; I'm still working down the list of MIRs, uvloop is up first
[16:50] <sarnold> it's a short week for me, I'm off friday
[16:50] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> I'm just finishing off rust / cargo updates. I'm also expecting thunderbird updates this week
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> Fingers crossed for no other updates
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> I also need to start looking at gcc6.4 and node for firefox :(
[16:52] <mdeslaur> :(
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I've got 2 embargoed issues and one internal thing to work on
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> that's me don
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> *e
[16:52] <tyhicks> Emily is out today
[16:52] <tyhicks> leosilva: you're up
[16:53] <leosilva> I'm the happy place
[16:53] <leosilva> I'm doing my pkg hunting as usual, that's it from me.
[16:53] <leosilva> tyhicks: last time it's back to you :P
[16:54] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:54] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:54] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team suggests that contributors look into merging Debian security updates in community-supported packages. If you would like to help Ubuntu but are not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/ for available merges and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details on preparing Ubuntu security
[16:54] <tyhicks> updates. If you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-hardened. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:55] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:55] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:56] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, leosilva: Thanks and don't have too much fun without me!
[16:56] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 16:56:40 2018 UTC.
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-03-19-16.38.moin.txt
[16:57] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks <3
[16:57] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:58] <leosilva> tks tyhicks
[16:58] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks for everything! *hug*
[16:58] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[17:00] <jdstrand> thanks tyhicks :)


[00:09] <prey_alone> RubyGems runs really slowly on my Ubuntu server. I've done gem update --system, but it still takes some thirty minutes to get SQLite or even JSON.
[00:47] <flyingparchment> i'm having problems install 7.10 on a sparc enterprise T5120 - it's hung twice during package installation.  is this a known issue?
[01:06] <Deeps> urr
[01:06] <Deeps> i dont think sparc is supported, only x86 and 64bit amd/intel
[01:07] <flyingparchment> if it wasn't supported i think the installation would stop a little bit earlier than that ;)
[01:07] <flyingparchment> it's not supported in 8.04, but 7.10 is
[01:08] <Deeps> true
[01:23] <flyingparchment> hmm.. maybe this time it didn't hang, it just took an hour to get past whatever it was doing
[01:24] <Deeps> alt+f4
[01:24] <Deeps> switches you to the logging vt
[01:24] <flyingparchment> serial console
[01:25] <Deeps> oh, heh
[01:25] <flyingparchment> the system doesn't even have a graphics card ;)
[03:02] <flyingparchment> heh, managed to install it, now i get segfaults while compiling php.  guess the T2 isn't quite supported yet ;)
[03:19] <cody-somerville> Woot. :)
[03:19] <cody-somerville> I got work to use Ubuntu on its two new servers. <g>
[03:23] <cyris|> Hey everyone.  I've just finished installing cups. I've added a printer and now want to push drivers to windows clients. i'm running the command cupsaddsmb -a but it seems to just hang after I enter my root password, any ideas?
[03:24] <cyris|> The server is a p3 900mhz
[03:24] <cyris|> running 8.04
[03:30] <cody-somerville> cyris|, I've never set that up before but I found a pretty comprehensive tutorial: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3621876
[03:40] <cyris|> cody-someville thanks I will take a look.
[03:48] <cody-somerville> Where is the survey described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Survey/Launch ?
[05:14]  * nealmcb hopes atomicsparc doesn't run into avahi problems with his own .local domain....
[06:22] <osmosis> what time would /etc/logrotate.d/apache2  run?
[06:49] <hads> osmosis: It's run from /etc/cron.daily/ which is defined in /etc/crontab as 25 6    * * *
[06:49] <hads> (it being logrotate)
[06:50] <hads> In case you arent familiar with cron, that means 0625 every day.
[06:54] <hads> What's the way to keep guests clocks in sync with KVM?
[06:54] <hads> s/the way/the recommended way/
[06:55] <osmosis> hads:   can you tell me what this means?
[06:55] <osmosis> 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * www-data [ -x /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -a -f /etc/awstats/awstats.conf -a -r /var/log/apache/access.log ] && /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=awstats -update >/dev/null
[06:56] <osmosis> I dont understand what the whole part in brackets is for.
[06:58] <hads> osmosis: [ is an alias for the test command (a builting in bash or executable in sh). You can get information about builtin commands by using help, e.g. help [ or help test
[06:59] <hads> Basically it's doing a bunch of tests before it runs the script (after the &&). Making sure files exist and are executable etc.
[07:00] <osmosis> hads: I had to remove that block because it was stopping it from working.
[07:01] <hads> I assume one of the tests was failing then. They're probably there for a reason :)
[07:04] <osmosis> hads: good point
[07:05] <osmosis> hads: it was just bugging me that it wasnt working, but now that I know it works, maybe ill reinvestigate
[07:05] <osmosis> hads: one of the issues im having right now is if the first cron process doesnt finish within 10 min, it launches another and they start overlaping.
[07:16] <hads> osmosis: I don't know that much about awstats really.
[07:55] <sten_> Hi.  anyone here?
[08:57] <LMJ> question around fetchmail/procmail : fetchmail pick up my emails from a remote pop3 server but delivery them on /var/mail/~ instead of the rule i've put in /etc/procmailrc to put them in ~/mail/INBOX  do you know where could be the issue ?
[09:12] <_ruben> LMJ: apparently fetchmail is doing the local delivery itself, and not using procmail to do so, its probably a configuration setting somewhere (in fetchmail)
[09:13] <LMJ> hum, let me see _ruben , thanks
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> \o/ got anonftparchive syncing
[09:25] <LMJ> strance _ruben, I can't see any fetchmail information to configure it on that way
[09:26] <_ruben> http://www.ilkertemir.com/document/fetchmail-procmail.html .. first link on google for "fetchmail procmail"
[09:27] <_ruben> the "mda" option seems to be what you're looking for
[09:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> is packages.u.c running like treakle for anyone else?
[11:18] <nrpil> hello people, i'm trying to install ubuntu server edition but the installer cannot find the package efi-modules
[11:18] <nrpil> i've looked on the cdrom and it's indeed not there, it's not even an ubuntu package, it is however a debian package
[11:21] <nrpil> could someone help me ?
[11:23] <Deeps> !info efi-modules
[11:23] <Deeps> sounds like it could be a bug assuming you're attempting to install a hardy server
[11:24] <Deeps> have you looked on launchpad to see if there are any other reports of thi?
[11:25] <nrpil> Deeps: yes i did, one moment
[11:26] <nrpil> Deeps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/144207
[11:26] <nrpil> Deeps: same error so i can conferm it's still valid
[11:26] <nrpil> confirm
[11:27] <Deeps> same error? "DEBUG: resoluver (efi-modules): package doesn't exist (ignored)" ?
[11:27] <Deeps> that's not actually the error being reported btw
[11:28] <Deeps> and infact, that's not a show-stopping error
[11:28] <Deeps> "Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)/pool/main/x/auth/xauth_1.0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch" is the error being reported here, and chances are that's due to a defect on the CD
[11:28] <Deeps> (the physical media)
[11:28] <nrpil> Deeps: i've tested the cdrom
[11:28] <Deeps> you need to find your actual error
[11:28] <nrpil> Deeps: and it is a showstopper, since i cannot continue
[11:29] <Deeps> as that efi-modules line, if it's as mentioned in the bug report you've listed, is not an error
[11:29] <Deeps> but rather some debug output (notice the "ignored" at the end of the line)
[11:29] <Deeps> look higher up for what's stopping you
[11:29] <nrpil> ok, one moment
[11:31] <nrpil> i also see a bad md5sum but i tested the cd ?
[11:32] <Deeps> it's all about context, if the md5sum error results in more significant failures, then i'd recommend reburning
[11:32] <Deeps> compare the md5 of the iso with that listed on the download page
[11:32] <Deeps> before reburning
[11:34] <nrpil> Deeps: ok, i'll download it again, md5sum it and burn it, seems like the cd test isn't doing what i expected
[11:49] <nrpil> Deeps: thanks !
[11:50] <Deeps> np
[11:59] <digitalspaghetti> Hey folks, I'm trying to upgrade my remote server to 8.04, but at the moment I keep getting this issue:  http://dpaste.com/48175/
[12:00] <digitalspaghetti> i've run aptitude clean and i also ran  dpkg --configure -a
[12:00] <ogra> did you use th eupdate-manager as recommended ?
[12:00] <digitalspaghetti> orga, i used do-release-update, as it's a CLI server, no X on it
[12:00] <ogra> apt and aptitude wont do the right thing here, its expected that you have to install stuff manually alongside and work aournd probs
[12:00] <ogra> right
[12:01] <ogra> thats the cli variant
[12:01] <ogra> (still update-manager though :) )
[12:01] <digitalspaghetti> i did try that first, but when i broke, i tried to use aptitude full-upgrade
[12:02] <digitalspaghetti> when i do update manager, i get a different, but similar error:
[12:02] <ogra> did you update to the patest packages before starting (from gutsy-updates) ?
[12:02] <ogra> *latest
[12:02] <digitalspaghetti> http://dpaste.com/48176/
[12:02] <digitalspaghetti> yes
[12:02] <ogra> hmm, that looks like the volid package was corrupted during download or so
[12:03] <digitalspaghetti> i've cleared out the package cache
[12:03] <ogra> (the locale warnings are ok)
[12:03] <ogra> well, the package cache only hodls the debs
[12:03] <ogra> *holds
[12:03] <digitalspaghetti> also, i had issues yesterday because my server is only 256mb, and i kept getting a seg fault when running it
[12:04] <digitalspaghetti> i had my server upgraded to 1gb today to run the upgrade
[12:04] <ogra> what you look for is the .list file for volumeid in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[12:04] <digitalspaghetti> ok
[12:04] <ogra> hmm
[12:05] <cody-somerville> If there is a website that has register globals enabled and there is a page that checks to see if "sql" is set in $_GET and if so doesn't set $sql but later executes $sql, what is the quantified risk acknowledging that there are no form inputs that pass sql via GET to this page?
[12:05] <ogra> but such a package doesnt even exist
[12:05] <digitalspaghetti> you want me to remove it?
[12:05] <ogra> i wonder where it comes from first place
[12:06] <ogra> apt-cache madison volumeid
[12:06] <ogra> what does that give you ?
[12:07] <digitalspaghetti> nothing
[12:09] <ogra> weird
[12:10] <ogra> do you get it as well if you try to remove evms-ncurses manually ?
[12:11] <digitalspaghetti> yes :/
[12:12] <ogra> grep volumeid /var/lib/dpkg/info/evms-ncurses.list
[12:12] <ogra> ?
[12:12] <digitalspaghetti> nope, nothing - the file just contains some paths, thats it
[12:14] <ogra> dpkg -l evms-ncurses ?
[12:14] <ogra> grab the package with the right version  from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/evms/ and manually install it with dpkg -i, then try again
[12:14] <digitalspaghetti> http://dpaste.com/48177/
[12:15] <ogra> could it be that you ran out of diskspace or so during the upgrade ? that would explain the corruption
[12:16] <digitalspaghetti> no, got unlimited diskspace
[12:16] <digitalspaghetti> i downloaded the .deb for my system, still getting the error
[12:17] <digitalspaghetti> http://dpaste.com/48178/
[12:18] <ogra> the thing is that there is never been a package like "volumeid" ever in ubuntu, i dont understand why it looks for it
[12:19] <ogra> do you have any non ubuntu entries in your sources.list ?
[12:30] <digitalspaghetti> i'll check
[12:30] <digitalspaghetti> nope, just standard hh updates
[12:34] <ogra> hmm, could be realted to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/217574
[12:34] <digitalspaghetti> i just pointed my sources back to gutsy, and tried aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, and now i get the same error with a different package :/
[12:50] <digitalspaghetti> removing /var/lib/dpgk/info seemed to do it
[13:11] <dmnd> hi
[13:15] <dmnd> are there vserver kernel images for 64 bit cpu's available?
[14:07] <dmnd> hi
[14:58] <ctx144k> hello all
[14:59] <ctx144k> is there a way to start own scripts while startup/shutdown in ubuntu-server?
[14:59] <ctx144k> something like autoexec.bat under dos
[14:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> crons @reboot option?
[14:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> or create an init script
[15:00] <ctx144k> is there existing a ready script for that?
[15:00] <ctx144k> cause, i dont want create something what is already existing
[15:00] <AlexC_> hey all
[15:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. .. crontab
[15:02] <AlexC_> if I get something like this in my logs: 'su[28535]: Successful su for tangocms by root' that means that 'root' switched user to 'tangocms' correct?
[15:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> and perhaps /etc/rc.local
[15:06] <mralphabet> AlexC_: yes
[15:07] <AlexC_> mralphabet, thanks
[15:28] <ctx144k> Kamping_Kaiser, thx
[15:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ctx144k, np
[16:14] <AlexC_> how can I get the disk-space usage via CLI?
[16:23] <Nafallo> df -h
[16:24] <AlexC_> thanks,
[19:14] <osmosis> how do I get the uuid for a disk, for the fstab ?
[19:18] <blue-frog>  vol_id /dev/sda1
[19:40] <AlexC_> guys, I've got a really weird problem with 'tar'. I am running this as root:  # tar -xzf php-5.2.6.tar.gz  and I am getting an error similar to this for every single file in the archive:  tar: php-5.2.6/CREDITS: Cannot change ownership to uid 1002, gid 1002: Disk quota exceeded
[19:40] <AlexC_> why on earth is it trying to change the ownership to 1002?
[19:41] <hattrick> why is your disk quota exceeded?
[19:41] <hattrick> guys...is munin not working out of the box on ubuntu 8.04?
[19:41] <AlexC_> hattrick, no, it is no where near. I am using 2.1gb out of 30gb
[19:42] <hattrick> usermod -u 1002
[19:42] <hattrick> usermod: user 1002 does not exist
[19:43] <AlexC_> ...
[19:43] <hattrick> anyone using munin?
[19:48] <blue-frog> AlexC_: what is   quota    saying?
[19:49] <AlexC_> blue-frog, Disk quotas for user root (uid 0): none
[19:49] <AlexC_> blue-frog, this is on a VPS, I have contacted them and they are looking into the issue. I just thought I'd ask here to see if I can help solve it
[20:10] <Deeps> AlexC_: any quotas for uid 1002 and/or gid 1002?
[20:10] <AlexC_>  /dev/simfs   51200*  51200   51200            5619       0       0
[20:11] <Deeps> that'll be the problem then
[20:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone here used anonftpsync? i was wondering if you'd customised it to only mirror selected releases
[20:15] <fromport> kamping_kaiser: i'm using anonsync. But it's all in the script itself, isn't it ? I'm basically mirroring only i386/amd64.
[20:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> fromport, my problem is i only want to mirror dapper+hardy, but it seems i can only filter out arches, not releases
[20:16]  * Kamping_Kaiser is trying to think of the best way to hack around it
[20:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think i have one, but it'll be ugly :)
[20:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> fromport, i assume your mirroring all releases?
[20:20] <AlexC_> hey,
[20:20] <AlexC_> Deeps, sorry, lightning took out my router. Did you get my message?
[20:20] <Deeps> nope
[20:21] <AlexC_> Deeps, I said that is only half the problem - why is it trying to change ownership to 1002?
[20:21] <Deeps> that'll be defined within the tar file
[20:21] <Deeps> and being root, it's able to do that
[20:22] <AlexC_> wait, what? The tar file can specify what ownerships the files should have, if it can do?
[20:22] <Deeps> i believe so
[20:23] <AlexC_> O_o
[20:23] <Deeps> there'll be a flag (archive i guess) to preserve ownership and permission settings
[20:23] <AlexC_> ah
[20:27] <AlexC_> ok, that makes sense - going to work with that now
[20:28] <fromport> kamping_kaiser: yes all releases: 125G    /archive/pub/mirror/ubuntu/
[20:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> fromport, ok. thanks for that :)
[20:37] <AlexC_> Deeps, thank you so much, this was the cause. Applying the --no-same-owner flag worked great on the tar command
[20:37] <Deeps> :)
[20:49] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: dunno about anonftpsync, but debmirror can filter on arch/release/pool/etc
[20:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, thats what i've used so far, but i need all the extra dirs like /tools/ /doc/ etc for cd building
[20:50] <_ruben> ah
[20:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i'm going to try and leetly haxor (read: ugly hack) anonftpsync so it only downloads the releases i want
[20:53] <_ruben> ;)
[20:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[21:21] <AlexC_> where would be the best place to put PHP 5.2.6 in? /usr/local/php-cgi and /usr/local/php-cli ?
[22:38] <mouser25> Hello, Im looking at setting up an e-mail server to replace microsoft exchange and was wondering what my options where on keeping personal address books synced to the server?
[23:59] <carignou> hello


[01:02] <valorie> @ahoneybun -- did you reply in the bug reports or only in email to those BRs to the Council list?
[01:02] <valorie> it looks like only us KC members can see your replies
 I commented on LP.
[02:14] <valorie> ok
[21:26] <RikMills> disco removed from download page
 Thanks RikMills. I forgot about it.


[00:01] <tomreyn> :)
[00:02] <daftykins> there's time ;)
[01:20] <chris__> Hello
[01:36] <lotuspsychje> good night to all
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[04:19] <nacc> lotuspsychje: hi
[04:25] <TJ-> who the heck messed up ubiquity !? 1st it tells me "This computer only has 0.0 B" then trying to use "ubiquity --debug" doesn't result in any extra info in /var/log/installer/debug or anywhere else I can find
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> hmm i had that recently in ubuntu also
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> sorry ubuntu needs 8gig to install, on a 80gig seagate
[04:36] <TJ-> not found where the message originates in the source yet
[04:59] <TJ-> turns out the code calls "/bin/parted_devices" which - I think - is supposed to return device names and sizes, but is returning nothing
[07:11] <ducasse> good morning, all
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: good luck with joellame..its like 3 days he's trying to fix apt-offline