[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, after installing you have a .bz2 file?  Then yes.
[12:00] <LjL> Marlun: note that, if i'm right that step 3 is not needed, then xserver-xorg will be installed *anyway*, and doing step 3 will just result in a no-action
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, do this:  tar tvjf whatever.tar.bz2 | head
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, the t means "tell"
[12:00] <vbgunz> anybody know of an application that will send certain windows to the tray? I tried alltray but didn't like it much... is there anything else that wioll certain programs to the tray? Thunderbird, etc?
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, what that does is tell me what directory name it will use when you extract
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, probably, each line will start with linux-2.6.12-9
[12:00] <Marlun> LjL: ah ok :) Well now I can play with it when I atleast now how to get this up and working.
[12:00] <simonvallore> root@ubuntu:/home/simonvallore/Desktop# chmod 777 Storage
[12:00] <simonvallore> chmod: changing permissions of `Storage': Read-only file system
[12:01] <simonvallore> how do i make it viewable without root
[12:01] <sethk> nishiroyato, if so, then do this:  cd /usr/src; tar xvjf whatever.tar.bz2
[12:01] <Marlun> LjL: thank you very much for taking your time to help me! :)
[12:01] <LjL> vbgunz: in KDE, i have this by default: i can edit the programs menu, and for a given program, click on a "leave in systray" checkbox... perhaps there's something like that in Gnome
[12:01] <LjL> Marlun: you're welcome
[12:01] <sethk> nishiroyato, probably you need sudo to write in /usr/src,
[12:01] <gfish> can i get sum help with a bittorrent client
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, it really doesn't matter what directory the source is in, but the convention is to put in in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-9, and you should follow the convention
[12:02] <nishiroyato> okay.  it did th tvjf and its going though a long list.  aftwards, sudo xvjf
[12:02] <yo2lux> what is the diference between ubuntu cd and dvd version?
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, I told you to do this:   tar xvjf whatever.tar.bz2 | head
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, the | head stops it after printing just a few lines
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, it doesn't hurt anything to print it all, but you don't have to wait
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, you can also just control-c to stop it
[12:02] <n0dl> is anyone here good with irssi?
[12:03] <sethk> nishiroyato, then, yes, use xvjf to extract
[12:03] <yo2lux> The ubuntu DVD version have more software?
[12:03] <sethk> nishiroyato, as I said, follow the convention about putting things in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-9; that way, when you ask a question, the answer you get will match where the files live on your machine
[12:03] <sethk> nishiroyato, which makes life easier.
[12:04] <nishiroyato> with where i'm at in linux, no need for me to get creative
[12:04] <brownie17> why do KDE apps take longer to run when you are in Gnome?
[12:04] <somerville32> Who knows
[12:04] <Madpilot> brownie17: because they're KDE apps running in Gnome?
[12:04] <_native_> isn't it obvious.
[12:05] <forsaker> hi guys..
[12:05] <brownie17> Madpilot, no it is not. i thought KDE was really just a different like toolbar and window system
[12:05] <forsaker> can i ask you in which repo i can find a packaged version of mplayer and w3dcodecs for breezy?
[12:05] <vbgunz> LjL: nope, not under Gnome :(
[12:05] <brownie17> "sexcopter8000" what a name.
[12:05] <nishiroyato> allright, all unpacked
[12:06] <gfish> does anyone know how to install torrentflux
[12:06] <nutter426> hiya
[12:06] <brownie17> so anyone here from the us?
[12:06] <nutter426> does the default installer for ubuntu 5.04 automatically set the root password?
[12:06] <yo2lux> what is the diference between ubuntu cd and dvd version?
[12:06] <brownie17> sorry. "U.S."?
[12:06] <brownie17> yo2lux, dvd comes with livecd built in, and a heap of other extras i think
[12:06] <yo2lux> thanks
[12:07] <brownie17> nutter426, nothing. you have to set it yourself i think
[12:07] <n0dl> is anyone here good with irssi?
[12:07] <somerville32> hehe
[12:07] <watnu> > is anyone here good with irssi?
[12:07] <_native_> brownie17; i'm sure many are from The U.S
[12:07] <forsaker> n0dl: if for good you mean "how to connect to a server" i am very goog :P
[12:07] <n0dl> wow
[12:07] <watnu> sorry :)
[12:07] <_native_> xchat is silly.
[12:07] <Madpilot> brownie17: KDE is an entirely different WM, different libraries and stuff
[12:07] <n0dl> wantu: are you good with irssi?
[12:07] <LjL> i'm very goog too
[12:07] <nutter426> well, i'm pretty new to linux, but thats what i expected, but i'm fairly sure it just went straight to asking me about users
[12:07] <brownie17> well who knows what episode you guys are up to in "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"?
[12:07] <gfish> does anyone know a decent torrent client
[12:08] <brownie17> Madpilot, wm?
[12:08] <LjL> Madpilot: KDE ain't a WM ;)
[12:08] <watnu> n0dl: average i think
[12:08] <_native_> gfish; uh bitorrent. ;p
[12:08] <nishiroyato> now with the source code for the kernel, i have to re-configure it and then re-make it?
[12:08] <gfish> can u help me install
[12:08] <LjL> nishiroyato: suppose so, and at the end you'll also have to add it to your Grub boot list
[12:08] <_native_> gfish; what bittorrent?
[12:08] <Madpilot> brownie17: meh, OK, you know what I mean - it's a different beast, right? That said, I use a fair number of KDE apps in Gnome too...
[12:09] <forsaker> so, nobody knows where can i find a repo containing mplayer, eh?
[12:09] <brownie17> Madpilot, ok.
[12:09] <nutter426> whats the best way to upgrade to 5.10?
[12:09] <brownie17> forsaker, i think it is universe
[12:09] <LjL> !info mplayer
[12:09] <forsaker> bratsche: an apt-cache search mplayer gives me no help
[12:09] <gfish> _native_, can u help me install bittorrent
[12:09] <LjL> !info mplayer-k7
[12:09] <_native_> gfish; if so just use your synaptic package manager and search for bittorrent.
[12:09] <ubotu> mplayer-k7: (transitional dummy package which can be safely removed), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[12:09] <brownie17> nutter426, i would say through smart-upgrade in synaptic, because it doesn't just giv eup after reaching one problem. but it is much better if you have the CD added to synaptic as well. less downloading.
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help with installing libdvdcss for breezy
[12:10] <redondos> I need to try more ID3 tag editors. Suggestions?
[12:10] <forsaker> uhm... well i'll double check it
[12:10] <nishiroyato> there is an editing program?  and what would i turn on to i can make ubuntu packages and see an OSX hard disk?
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> libdvdcss2 DOESNT work with breezy at all
[12:10] <brownie17> nutter426, and then of course, you don't lose all your settings adn crap from hoary
[12:10] <forsaker> thanks a lot guyz
[12:10] <LjL> forsaker: multiverse
[12:10] <_native_> gfish; Sytem-> administration-> synaptic
[12:10] <gfish> should i use bit torrent or bit tornado gui
[12:11] <_native_> you probably want the GUI client
[12:11] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, doesn't work? in what way? it just refuses to decode dvds? does it give an error?
[12:11] <forsaker> LjL: multiverse lines in sources.list are uncommented, but i can't find it... but most probably is just a stupid error. i'll check again
[12:11] <brownie17> gfish, personal preference
[12:11] <forsaker> thank you anyway
[12:11] <nutter426> i'll wait til the CD arrives then
[12:11] <nutter426> still struggling with the root password tho
[12:12] <shadeofgrey> brownie17:  Totem acts like its not even there when you use libdvdcss2 -- theres another one for breezy thats just called libdvdcss but i havent the foggiest idea what repository to get it from
[12:12] <_native_> nutter426; why?
[12:12] <brownie17> forsaker, there is a source-o-matic thing that will hlep you make your own sources list, with all the goodies and stuff, want a link?
[12:12] <hawking> I am connected to a windows machine through ethernet...what should i do to get files from it?
[12:12] <forsaker> brownie17: why not ;)
[12:12] <hawking> or see his harddisk
[12:12] <forsaker> hawking: samba
[12:13] <redondos> I need a decent ID3 tag editor. Any suggestions?
[12:13] <brownie17> hawking, two ways, both open messenger and file transfer, it will send over ethernet, not internet. goto "places", "network servers"
[12:13] <redondos> sorry for repeating, It wasn't my intention.
[12:13] <forsaker> redondos: easyTAG
[12:13] <redondos> tried it, doesn't fit my needs. thanks though.
[12:13] <hawking> forsaker: hm so should i just apt-get samba or is any other configuration required?
[12:13] <dino`> how do i install VLC on ubuntu?
[12:14] <LjL> forsaker: "sudo apt-get update"
[12:14] <brownie17> redondos, do you use rhythmbox? there is an experimental version of that that supports tag editing
[12:14] <forsaker> hawking: i think samba is pre-installed on ubuntu.. so try following brownie17 suggestion
[12:14] <shadeofgrey> doles anybody haver any idea where to get the breezy version of libdvdcss
[12:14] <LjL> forsaker: also, there is no package named "mplayer", instead, do an "apt-cache search mplayer"
[12:14] <brownie17> redondos, beggars can't be choosers though. try searching synaptic for mp3 tag editing or something
[12:14] <dino`> so no one knows how to install VLC?
[12:15] <redondos> brownie17: I'm looking for something that's not in the Ubuntu repositories, since I've tried them all.
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> i wanna say that its on marriat or whatever its called
[12:15] <forsaker> LjL: [00:09]  forsaker bratsche: an apt-cache search mplayer gives me no help
[12:15] <brownie17> forsaker, samba is not pre-installed
[12:15] <brownie17> forsaker, i checked
[12:15] <forsaker> brownie17: i was just guessing since i'm not using ubuntu right now
[12:15] <hawking> forsaker: well when I go to places---> network servers I see a windows network but in it there is only a desktop configuration file... I can neither see his harddisk or any other files
[12:15] <brownie17> forsaker, ok. no worries
[12:16] <brownie17> anyone here watch CSI ?
[12:16] <LjL> forsaker: well it *is* in breezy's multiverse, i can assure you... be sure the relevant line is uncommented, be sure you've done a "sudo apt-get update", and you should have it. if you don't, something's broken...
[12:16] <theblue> Hi all.
[12:16] <dino`> brownie17, i had some eps before i installed(formatted) ubuntu
[12:16] <gfish> thanks for the help
[12:16] <brownie17> hawking, i think that means his files are not "shared" tell him to put them into his "shared folder". that might work
[12:16] <forsaker> LjL: i trust you for sure... i just sai *I* was doing something wrong
[12:16] <LjL> forsaker: and don't use the U.S. mirrors, they say they're broken
[12:17] <hawking> brownie17 : we are sure they are all shared
[12:17] <brownie17> dino`, sorry? "eps"? im not following
[12:17] <dino`> episodes
[12:17] <forsaker> *say
[12:17] <LjL> forsaker: paste your sources.list on the pastebin please, if you can't get it to install
[12:17] <simonvallore> how do i allow users other than root to access a file
[12:17] <brownie17> hawking, ill take your work that it is true, but i think they can be "shared" and put in the "shared folder" are you sure there are files in his shared folder?
[12:18] <LjL> simonvallore: "man chmod", "man chown"
[12:18] <brownie17> dino`, ahh CSI. excellent. where are you from?
[12:18] <LjL> simonvallore: be careful with them
[12:18] <simonvallore> ljl
[12:18] <dino`> brownie17, norway
[12:18] <Madpilot> simonvallore: use "sudo"
[12:18] <simonvallore> LjL, i treid to chmod it
[12:18] <Madpilot> !tell simonvallore about sudo
[12:18] <gfish> how do i find my ip adress to open ports in router
[12:18] <brownie17> dino`, im from Australia, and last night, the episode "grave danger" guest directing quentin tarantino was on
[12:18] <simonvallore> Madpilot, i was root lol
[12:18] <hawking> brownie17: I see a folder written smb on it and I can't open it ... does that mean the files aren't shared?
[12:18] <forsaker> LjL: thank you, but the problem is more complex then this: i was trying to install mplayer through ssh on a friend's ubuntu system. but now this friend has disconnexted. Thank you again anyway.
[12:18] <nutter426> is there a beginners guide to unbuntu anywhere? or do i have to annoy you all by asking all the same questions?
[12:18] <dino`> brownie17: cool;)
[12:18] <brownie17> dino`, it was great. but "to be continued" i am trying to download the next episode now.
[12:18] <nutter426> i watch CSI
[12:18] <nutter426> my gf just bought the series 1 miami box-sets
[12:19] <forsaker> LjL: I'll come back when he will be on-line again
[12:19] <LjL> forsaker: i see. hold on, i'll paste my sources.list
[12:19] <dino`> brownie17: where do you download from?
[12:19] <LjL> forsaker: that must work
[12:19] <brownie17> dino`, does it screen on your free-to-air tv in norway?
[12:19] <forsaker> ok LjL thanks
[12:19] <brownie17> dino`, limewire. i'd use bittorrent, but i have a hardware NAT in my modem, which i cannot turn off or port forward thanks to a manufacturing problem.
[12:19] <xsje> !java
[12:19] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:20] <simonvallore> LjL,  root@ubuntu:/home/simonvallore/Desktop# chmod 777 Storage
[12:20] <simonvallore> chmod: changing permissions of `Storage': Read-only file system
[12:20] <LjL> forsaker: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4815
[12:20] <LjL> forsaker: note that those are all italian mirrors. they might be slow for you, but at least they would work
[12:20] <forsaker> LjL: got it.
[12:20] <forsaker> LjL: i'm italian too :)
[12:20] <LjL> forsaker: oh, then nevermind =)
[12:20] <IOU|Laptop> anyone have any clue what alsa-space: xrun of at least 2079.930 msecs. resetting stream means?
[12:20] <simonvallore> LjL,  root@ubuntu:/home/simonvallore/Desktop# chmod 777 Storage
[12:21] <simonvallore> chmod: changing permissions of `Storage': Read-only file system
[12:21] <xsje> !javadebs
[12:21] <ubotu> it has been said that javadebs is at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[12:21] <brownie17> IOU|Laptop, something you copied from Mplayer?
[12:21] <somerville32> !java
[12:21] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:21] <LjL> simonvallore: that *should* definitely make the file world-writable
[12:21] <IOU|Laptop> yes, while playing an mp3, all applications seem to crash while playing mp3's
[12:21] <simonvallore> LjL,  i relize this
[12:21] <simonvallore> lol
[12:21] <LjL> simonvallore: what does "ls -l file" tell you about it?
[12:22] <gfish> does anyone know how i can find my ip adress
[12:22] <yatesy> ifconfig
[12:22] <simonvallore> LjL,  dr-x------  1 root         root         81920 2005-11-19 09:20 Storage
[12:23] <gfish> ifconfig in where terminal
[12:23] <LjL> simonvallore: uh...
[12:23] <_native_> watson!!
[12:23] <LjL> simonvallore: oh, sorry, i missed the "read-only file system" thing!
[12:23] <LjL> simonvallore: are you in single-user mode or something?
[12:24] <Stormx2> !art
[12:24] <ubotu> I heard art is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityArtwork
[12:24] <LjL> simonvallore: i suppose so?
[12:24] <simonvallore> yeah
[12:24] <simonvallore> LjL,  im t he only user
[12:24] <Hentai^XP> Stormx2 guessing you like ubuntu
[12:24] <SpaceCake> got a small issue with dialup, I cant run network-admin from the menu like a normal user (passwd wrong), but lunching from a root console is a no problem. Ideas ?
[12:24] <LjL> simonvallore: i don't mean that, i mean if you actually started the system in a single-user mode (or recovery mode, or whatever it's called in ubuntu, or if you passed init=/bin/sh to the kernel)
[12:25] <simonvallore> uhh
[12:25] <simonvallore> no
[12:25] <gfish> can i please get help finding ip adress out
[12:25] <simonvallore> im in regular mode
[12:25] <IOU|Laptop> there, xmms just crashed again
[12:25] <SpaceCake> As I am trying to migrate familie to Ubuntu, with'out sorting this out its a problem
[12:25] <LjL> simonvallore: what happens if you try to create a file in /home/simonvallore/Desktop, say by doing "touch testfile"?
[12:25] <forsaker> gfish: as yatesy said: ifconfig
[12:26] <simonvallore> it creats it
[12:26] <simonvallore> hence thats how i created that one
[12:26] <simonvallore> to mount my drive to
[12:26] <SpaceCake> Can teach to get to  terminal, su, lunch netadmin and just then connect. it should be easier :)
[12:26] <gfish> forsaker. in the terminal
[12:26] <LjL> simonvallore: oooh i see... is that an NTFS filesystem you mounted on it?
[12:26] <simonvallore> LjL, yeah
[12:27] <forsaker> yep gfish but you must be root i think...
[12:27] <forsaker> gfish: err... sudo
[12:27] <IOU|Laptop> could these crashes have something to do with ALSA?
[12:27] <LjL> simonvallore: in that case, you need to pass mount options, i think, because the mount will override the "normal" permissions of the folder
[12:27] <LjL> !ntfs
[12:27] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:27] <SpaceCake> I guess nobody its using a old modem anymore
[12:27] <gfish> so its sudo ifconfig
[12:27] <IOU|Laptop> gfish: yes
[12:28] <redguy> gfish: either that or /sbin/ifconfig
[12:28] <port7> who's idea was it to do run the ltsp-server though a ssh tunnel?
[12:28] <simonvallore> LjL,  that doesnt help me with the permissions issue lol
[12:28] <LjL> simonvallore: it does
[12:28] <LjL> simonvallore: look at the "Editing Ubuntu's filesystem table" paragraph
[12:28] <smo> simonvallore: the permissions are a mount option .. so that's where you want to be reading
[12:28] <gfish> thanks
[12:29] <LjL> simonvallore: it tells you what options to pass to mount in order to make it accessible to either all users, or the user who installed the system
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> damnit
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> now im frustrated
[12:29] <brownie17> ok everyone, GTG dino` might need a bit more help downloading VLC, someone give him a hand.
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> libdvdcss2 DOESNT work on breezy
[12:29] <forsaker> LjL: to mount ntfs file systems with write permissions, doesn't he have to enable a particular, testing, kernel option?
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> and i cant find the breezy version ANYWHERE
[12:30] <simonvallore> LjL, Thank you
[12:30] <LjL> forsaker: no, he simply *SHOULD NOT* write to an NTFS filesystem. but i think that, for now, he's simply trying to access it as a non-root user
[12:30] <LjL> simonvallore: note this, though, DO NOT attempt to write to an NTFS filesystem
[12:30] <SpaceCake> hmm.. my usb disk with ntfs, mount immidietly like rw
[12:30] <redguy> shadeofgrey: not true
[12:30] <forsaker> oh ok.. i shoud have read all his question :D
[12:30] <Hobbsee> SpaceCake: sure about that? it's often fat32 that USB's are mounted as
[12:30] <shadeofgrey> redguy: well then obviously i missed something because ive installed it and removed it 5 timesand it wont work
[12:31] <LjL> forsaker: no, well, it was worth noting anyway
[12:31] <mrtwister> hello... i need mysql5, how i can get it in breezy? debian package?
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> totem says "your trying to watch encrypted DVD's without libdvdcss!"
[12:31] <SpaceCake> Hobbsee, I am sure, did a look at the mount output :(
[12:31] <simonvallore> LjL, how do i go three diretories back cd ......\
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  so what do i do?
[12:31] <LjL> simonvallore: cd ..\..\.. ;)
[12:31] <eternalist> LjL: im trying to get my radeon 9550 with 3d graphics acceleration
[12:31] <forsaker> ok. thing to go sleeping. good night everyone. see you
[12:31] <SpaceCake> Hobbsee,  and anyway, external hard is 120mb ntfs, 100% sure
[12:31] <simonvallore> nice
[12:31] <forsaker> s/thing/time
[12:31] <eternalist> LjL: i rebooted after following the ubuntu instructions, and X doesnt show up.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> SpaceCake: and you write to your external hard drive?  or just read it?
[12:32] <LjL> simonvallore: err, of course with slashes, not backslashes ;)
[12:32] <LjL> simonvallore: though i usually just do "cd .." three times anyway
[12:32] <somerville32> How I uninstall the java that comes with Ubuntu?
[12:32] <SpaceCake> Hobbsee, no way I will write to it !! just read
[12:32] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  any guidance you can give would be great.  im lost
[12:32] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: I've seen something similar - a NTFS drive was reportedly mounted rw but in fact was ro. Do not ask me why :-)
[12:32] <LjL> eternalist: are you kidding me now?
[12:32] <redguy> shadeofgrey: read /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian
[12:32] <eternalist> LjL: no.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> SpaceCake: oh good!  i thougth you were intending to write to it!
[12:33] <gfish> thanks guys
[12:33] <SpaceCake> but, to be sure.. manual edit of fstab did the trick :)
[12:33] <eternalist> LjL: im talking thru just a virtual console
[12:33] <eternalist> LjL: irssi :)
[12:33] <LjL> eternalist: weren't you the one telling me i should not quibble about graphics card support? :-P anyway, i have no ATI, and no idea...
[12:33] <eternalist> LjL: i know but, some dude on here told me itd take 5 mins to setup
[12:33] <cribeiro> As for writing to NTFS mounts... in myh own experience it works fine. It's not guaranteed because it may spetacularly fail if you do something worng (such as turning off withou unmounting)
[12:33] <eternalist> FliesLikeABrick:
[12:33] <eternalist> i believe it was
[12:33] <SpaceCake> sori, anybody using a simple modem dialup connection here?
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  I DID use that script to install it and it didnt woirk at all
[12:34] <Hobbsee> !dialup
[12:34] <ubotu> well, dialup is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  it gave me the same damn error
[12:34] <redguy> shadeofgrey: Erm, so you managed to install it? My mistake then, thought you were looking for it and could't find it. Maybe you want regionset?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> !tell SpaceCake about dialup
[12:34] <redondos> What is available in the repositories for extracting Ace compressed files?
[12:34] <theblue> !dialup
[12:34] <somerville32> How I uninstall the java that comes with Ubuntu?
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  i never had to use that before
[12:34] <SpaceCake> so it
[12:34] <LjL> cribeiro: have a look at ntfstools too. anyway, writing to an NTFS volume is not something i'd ever advice
[12:34] <somerville32> *How do I uninstall the java that comes with Ubuntu?
[12:34] <theblue> I am offended by dialup!
[12:35] <saik0> ubuntu comes with Java??
[12:35] <somerville32> Yes
[12:35] <redguy> shadeofgrey: sorry, can't help you then...
[12:35] <somerville32> the GNU runtime environment
[12:35] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  look - there are 2 versionas of libdvdcss : one for breezy which is just libdvdcss and one for pre breezy called libdvdcss2
[12:35] <gfish> hmm
[12:35] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  i need to know where to getthe second one.
[12:35] <cribeiro> LjL: Well, I reckon there are good reasons... but in my case I had to do it. I never had a problem at all with many tools: ntfsresize, captive, etc...
[12:35] <gfish> i opened the ports for bittornado in my router
[12:35] <gfish> do i have to open them somewhere in ubuntu
[12:35] <SpaceCake> theblue, I got 3km from me the clossest dsl line
[12:36] <LjL> eternalist: well, i dunno really, in any case... for the moment, to get X back running, you could probably just put "vesa" in xorg.conf instead of "ati", or similar
[12:36] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  do you know the name of the marrialat or whatever repo?  i think thats where i got it last time...
[12:36] <oskude> gfish, i dont thin ubuntu has a firewall as default...
[12:36] <LjL> cribeiro: it's not something i'd *advice* doesn't mean it's not something i'd *do* ;-)
[12:36] <theblue> SpaceCake: Ouch.
[12:36] <cribeiro> gfish: I assume that you not only opened, but redirected the ports in the router.
[12:36] <unfito> hello
[12:36] <gfish> yeah
[12:36] <unfito> does anyone use notemeister?
[12:36] <sethk> oskude, it doesn't have a firewall at all.  It has an IP filter.
[12:37] <gfish> criberio, i did what i used to do in windows
[12:37] <mrtwister> hello... i need mysql5, how i can get it in breezy? debian package?
[12:37] <redguy> shadeofgrey:no, sorry
[12:37] <cribeiro> gfish: which port does it use?
[12:37] <oskude> sethk, yeah, most of the "routers" dont have firewall atall, just a NAT...
[12:37] <sethk> oskude, absolutely
[12:37] <oskude> sethk, but they call it firewall
[12:37] <sethk> oskude, yes, I know, and I hate that
[12:37] <gfish> criberio, thanks for the help it works now
[12:37] <oskude> sethk, ok :)
[12:38] <ZeroDni> hey i was wondering if anyone here good with apache2 runing on breezy im trying to diable directory listings using the -indexes command in my httpd.conf but it seems not to work
[12:38] <oskude> sethk, but ubuntu (ASFAIK) doesn have any firewall or so to prevent port to be used...
[12:38] <sethk> oskude, on the default install, I believe you are correct
[12:38] <oskude> sethk, in default installation that is...
[12:38] <cribeiro> gfish: well, I dont know what did I say that was helpful to you :-) but if it works it's fine
[12:38] <saik0> By default ubuntu is'nt listening on any ports
[12:39] <oskude> saik0, well, i get some ports with nmap on standard installation, so "ubuntu" is listening :)
[12:39] <ZeroDni> if you need to work with your firewall in ubuntu firestarter can configure what port you need easy to use gui
[12:40] <simonvallore> How can i make fire Starter Atuo Start ?
[12:40] <simonvallore> Auto*
[12:40] <Hobbsee> simonvallore: it will automatically
[12:40] <simonvallore> No it doesnt
[12:40] <saik0> oskude, running nmap locally, on the same subnet, or on a different network?
[12:40] <ZeroDni> when you install it it should be added to your init.d
[12:40] <simonvallore> i have to be root to run it
[12:40] <simonvallore> lol
[12:40] <ZeroDni> the gui but not the service
[12:40] <Hobbsee> simonvallore: tried hitting ctrl+alt+f8 while booting, and watching the scrolling black text?  seen if it's on there?
[12:41] <oskude> simonvallore, scnr, you just but your prodigy audio cd in your drive and firestarter starts :)
[12:41] <oskude> saik0, nmap localhost
[12:41] <ZeroDni> lol
[12:41] <gfish> cribeiro, i just noticed the light was green after re-checking the router ports
[12:41] <ZeroDni> good one oskude
[12:41] <simonvallore> I see now
[12:41] <n0dl> Does anyone know what SDL is?
[12:41] <gfish> im loving linux now
[12:41] <oskude> ZeroDni, :)
[12:41] <ptlo> n0dl, yes
[12:42] <simonvallore> Does anyone know how to install dvd rip
[12:42] <oskude> n0dl, Simple Direct Layer (or so)
[12:42] <ZeroDni> is sdl is Simple DirectMedia Layer
[12:42] <n0dl> do you know what the package is? i need v 1.2
[12:42] <n0dl> configure: error: SDL >= 1.2.0 is required
[12:42] <gfish> is there a program to convert avi to dvd within linux
[12:42] <ptlo> n0dl, libsdl1.2-dev
[12:43] <ZeroDni> let me gus trying to install rom emulators
[12:43] <n0dl> oo thats what i typed wrong
[12:43] <EdLin> n0dl, are you sure what you're compiling isn't in universe?
[12:44] <gfish> can u emulate roms within linux
[12:44] <gfish> if so that is soo cool
[12:44] <gfish> i dont even have my gfx card installed
[12:44] <ZeroDni> btw have you guys heard about monad
[12:44] <saik0> oskude, what did you find, because I'm almost certain that ubuntu is not listening on any ports after a fresh desktop install. Anything that is is probably bound to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:44] <gfish> nope
[12:44] <gfish> ZeroDni, nope
[12:44] <ZeroDni> yeah just like windows you just need the programs
[12:44] <ZeroDni> the mircosof command line for vista
[12:45] <ZeroDni> it has all the shell commands from unux and linux
[12:45] <simonvallore> I LOVE THIS LINUX ITS SET UP BETTER THEN MY WINDOWS
[12:45] <EdLin> ZeroDni, it's Microsoft's new viral vector, and it won't be in the non-server versions of Vista because of that.
[12:45] <ZeroDni> its such a rip off
[12:45] <n0dl> what about vista?
[12:45] <oskude> saik0, ubuntu doesnt listen anything, its the services that does it...
[12:45] <n0dl> viruses insecurity and all that jazz
[12:45] <SpaceCake> mb ram and gb hdd :)
[12:45] <saik0> oskude, you know what I meant
[12:46] <ZeroDni> i was talking about the server version :)
[12:46] <ZeroDni> they are like 30 years tolate lol
[12:46] <gfish> i bet windows vista has some major bugs
[12:46] <ZeroDni> they are just trying to copy linux
[12:46] <oskude> saik0, yeah, but there are ports to find with "namp localhost" after standard install...
[12:46] <Hentai^XP> may
[12:46] <saik0> gfish: all software has bugs
[12:47] <ecobuntu> has vista been released?
[12:47] <Hentai^XP> no
[12:47] <n0dl> dont you know vista already has a monitor problem
[12:47] <saik0> oskude, pretty sure they are only listening locally, try doing it from another box
[12:47] <n0dl> they were trying to display it at ces then it had a BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH!
[12:47] <n0dl> just like the Xbox 360 in walmart
[12:47] <ZeroDni> na there was just the dill hole giving a leture on open source ocording to microsoft saying widnwos is more secure
[12:47] <oskude> saik0, yup
[12:47] <n0dl> buch of crapshat
[12:47] <ZeroDni> and showing off monad like is something new
[12:48] <n0dl> pfft
[12:48] <saik0> oskude, well then I guess I was wrong
[12:48] <ZeroDni> you can even do ls in monad
[12:48] <ecobuntu> how long has it been since windows released an OS?
[12:48] <Hentai^XP> yep
[12:48] <n0dl> whats monad?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ecobuntu: since 2001
[12:48] <Hentai^XP> 2k3
[12:48] <saik0> Windows server 2003
[12:48] <ZeroDni> if you guys like i have give you the link to the webcast
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:48] <oskude> saik0, no, your right. theres no port listening external on a standard installation
[12:49] <ecobuntu> windows is a POS
[12:49] <n0dl> no kidding
[12:49] <n0dl> whats monad?
[12:49] <EdLin> anyone who actually *wants* to use Windows as a server is a PHB
[12:49] <oskude> saik0, forgot that debian installs ssh as standard :)
[12:49] <Hentai^XP> so who is running windows?
[12:49] <oskude> saik0, and not ubuntu..
[12:49] <EnglishStan> Hello.... Need help with Internet conectivity
[12:49] <Hentai^XP> EdLin used Edlin before?
[12:49] <saik0> oskude, thought so, which is why it's justifiable not to ship with a firewall
[12:49] <n0dl> is monad a windows wack at opensource?
[12:50] <stpere> Hentai^XP, we are using pirated copies of Windows Server 2003 at school :-(
[12:50] <ecobuntu> ask away Stan
[12:50] <EdLin> Hentai^XP, yes. It's been a long time ago. ;-)
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> n0dl no
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> lol
[12:50] <oskude> saik0, yeah, when you dont have nothing running on a port, no need for a firewall...
[12:50] <stpere> Hentai^XP, in our Server installation course
[12:50] <ZeroDni> no just to to the linux command line like they can do pipes and stuff now
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> edlin is still in windows CMD
[12:50] <EnglishStan> I can ping all computers on my network, and ping website, but i get an error when tryinmg the access tye web.
[12:50] <EnglishStan> it worked at one time.....
[12:50] <EdLin> Hentai^XP, I wouldn't know, I don't have a Windows partition
[12:50] <EnglishStan> I'm a linux n00b, just installed today
[12:50] <ZeroDni> mms://a2.v14853b.c14853.g.vm.akamaistream.net/5/2/14853/v003/1a1a1a72db3eb01f920167db4fb41745a9188ffd69d8399dcb2c97f865c62f5dc02f9ccbfc30689dd0ff6cdf44bc2c5bc83ba01888b7fc2c5c8fc3/0058_w.asf
[12:50] <ZeroDni> that is the link
[12:51] <EdLin> Hentai^XP, though I do help people with their Windows problems
[12:51] <ecobuntu> EnglishStan: click network under settings -> administration
[12:51] <ecobuntu> EnglishStan: enter your password
[12:51] <ZeroDni> you can open it directly using vlc
[12:51] <ecobuntu> EnglishStan: make sure your connection is activated and configured :)
[12:51] <Hentai^XP> MSH E:\Documents and Settings\Justin.AMD1GHZ> edlin
[12:51] <Hentai^XP> MSH E:\Documents and Settings\Justin.AMD1GHZ> File name must be specified
[12:52] <saik0> oskude, exactly, much better standard installation than that _other_ OS
[12:52] <ecobuntu>  i have a shitty windows partition just for using my webcam to chat with on AIM
[12:52] <saik0> and several other distros
[12:52] <Iam8up> doesn't gaim support webcams?
[12:52] <EnglishStan> ecobuntu...it is active and configured properly (ithink)
[12:52] <Hentai^XP> suggestions for people running windows
[12:52] <oskude> saik0, psst, dont pick on debian, its the "father" :)
[12:52] <Hentai^XP> run as limited user
[12:52] <saik0> oskude, i run debian on all my servers
[12:52] <Blejdfizt> i'm having a brain block here.. what is the name of that mms-stream ripper?
[12:52] <n0dl> Ph34r it like mama's fried chicken
[12:53] <oskude> saik0, yeah, my usage is too, debian = server, ubuntu = desktop/notebook
[12:53] <EnglishStan> hello!!
[12:53] <saik0> oskude, that is exactly what I do
[12:53] <sethk> server=slackwarre, desktop/notebook=ubuntu
[12:54] <WildPenguin> EnglishStan, what is in /etc/reslov.conf?
[12:54] <oskude> saik0, debian is like a dream for server, but on desktop... (no autoconfig, long updates...)
[12:54] <saik0> oskude, i use my ubuntu notebook to ssh into all my debian servers (no displays)
[12:54] <EnglishStan> i tried to open that and nothing happened
[12:54] <ecobuntu> Yup I think WildPenguin is on to something :)
[12:54] <ZeroDni> sokude ubuntu i find works just as well for servers i run all my servers on ubuntu with just a few config change like geting back root account
[12:54] <calamari> hi
[12:54] <nytryx|Ibook> anyone have [linner] 's email?
[12:54] <oskude> saik0, long live console :)
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> ZeroDni,  :P shame.. Lol.
[12:54] <ZeroDni> i use ubuntu for more hardware supoort out of the box
[12:54] <calamari> I need help with ubuntu... I think I may have a virus
[12:54] <ulaas> server ubuntu , desktop ubuntu, fridge ubuntu, tv ubuntu, adslmodem ubuntu, car ubuntu .......
[12:54] <ecobuntu> calamari: why?
[12:55] <oskude> ZeroDni, and in 6months you have to update ? doh
[12:55] <nytryx|Ibook> Zerodni try suse
[12:55] <Hentai^XP> Anyone have a link to that virus or trojan that used MSH to infect vista?
[12:55] <ZeroDni> i just finshed chaning all 9 of my debain box to ubutnu
[12:55] <somerville32> I find Ubuntu too slow :(
[12:55] <calamari> ecobuntu: my mouse pointer freezes up with the hard drive light on and I cannot find a cause
[12:55] <ecobuntu> calamari: probably a bug not a virus
[12:55] <oskude> ZeroDni, the only issue for me to not have ubuntu as server is the upgrade policy...
[12:55] <calamari> ecobuntu: it just did it twice in a row and I checked top with no usage
[12:56] <ZeroDni> the last upgrade went smoth for me
[12:56] <ulaas> calamari, disable cpu speed stuff
[12:56] <EdLin> somerville32, maybe you should install a lighter-weight WM, like XFCE4 or even lighter-weight stuff if that's still too bloated
[12:56] <saik0> ZeroDni, I run debian stable in most cases. ubuntu is based on (was it unstable or testing?...)
[12:56] <calamari> ecobuntu: so I figure that ubuntu is doing something behind my back or I have a virus
[12:56] <oskude> ZeroDni, you dont just dist-upgrade on a REAL server !
[12:56] <Xenguy> somerville32: if you have old hardware, an alternative to GNOME (like XFCE4) can help
[12:56] <ecobuntu> calamari: try ulaas's advice
[12:56] <calamari> ulaas: I'm not familiar with that
[12:56] <n0dl> how do i unzip files using the terminal?
[12:56] <saik0> n0dl: man unzip
[12:56] <ecobuntu> n0dl: unzip package
[12:56] <oskude> n0dl, unzip <filename>
[12:56] <EdLin> Xenguy, GMTA
[12:57] <n0dl> ok cool
[12:57] <nytryx|Ibook> tar
[12:57] <somerville32> Xenguy & EdLin: I'm using Xfce4
[12:57] <ZeroDni> did on 5 machines and it worked well i was offline for like an hour that was it
[12:57] <somerville32> Xenguy & EdLin: I have a 333mhz w/128mb of ram
[12:57] <ecobuntu> though i like saik0's response the best
[12:57] <calamari> ulaas: how do I disable cpu speed stuff?
[12:57] <Xenguy> n0dl: unzip
[12:57] <oskude> XFCE4 is the "cooles" low weight that ive seen :)
[12:57] <oskude> +t
[12:57] <ecobuntu> fluxbox!
[12:57] <oskude> nah
[12:57] <LjL> though i don't quite see what use XFCE4 is (weight-wise), when one is going to use Gnome and/or KDE apps anyway
[12:57] <ZeroDni> i also dont upgrade untill like a few week affter the switch
[12:58] <gdub> if you want some of the eye candy go for xfce
[12:58] <somerville32> Windows 98 is a bit faster on my machine
[12:58] <somerville32> And it seems to make all to the difference
[12:58] <ulaas> calamari, i had the same issue. i remember that i edited a script like powernowd or something in /etc/init.d
[12:58] <ecobuntu> eye candy with xfce?  compared to what?  kde?
[12:58] <ulaas> calamari, google for it
[12:58] <saik0> LjL, you're not using all the gnome-libs
[12:58] <calamari> somerville32: not surprising.. win98 is a pretty fast os
[12:58] <Xenguy> LjL: yes, alternatives to OpenOffice, for instance Abiword, are also necessary on slow hardware
[12:58] <gdub> compared to fluxbox which is barebones
[12:58] <LjL> saik0: i suppose you're using most, though
[12:58] <gdub> but fast as hell
[12:59] <EdLin> somerville32, maybe you need a lighter distro, like vanilla Debian, with lighter programs - like sylpheed rather than evolution and the like.
[12:59] <gdub> on crap hardware
[12:59] <ZeroDni> and now that i use webmin for most of the samll servers its been a breze to go to brezy
[12:59] <saik0> LjL, not really, you would be surprised
[12:59] <oskude> i LOVE gnome, but i would like to have that top-panel menu from os9/osx/kde :)
[12:59] <LjL> Xenguy: now this is reasonable, though i think more and more apps are either KDE or Gnome apps
[12:59] <LjL> saik0: well, i dunno, i use KDE myself
[12:59] <ecobuntu> vanilla Debian?
[12:59] <LjL> saik0: anyway, for starters, apps will take longer to start, as the libs must be loaded
[12:59] <EdLin> ecobuntu, www.debian.org
[12:59] <oskude> man am i glad that ubuntu uses gnome as default :)
[12:59] <Red-Sox> hi
[12:59] <somerville32> Maybe I'll just go back to Windows till I get a faster computer
[01:00] <EnglishStan> Could my Subnet Mask be wrong??? What should it be??
[01:00] <Red-Sox> i really really really want object dock or yz dock in wine, do they install?
[01:00] <LjL> oskude: i'm glad there is Kubuntu for me :P
[01:00] <EdLin> somerville32, Ubuntu is meant for people with the hardware to run GNOME - you need to run a different set of Linux apps and window managers for your old hardware.
[01:00] <ecobuntu> EdLin: yeah i'm familiar with debian but i've never heard of debian vanilla
[01:00] <oskude> LjL, and im glad you have the freedom of choice :)
[01:01] <EdLin> ecobuntu, "vanilla" means "plain"
[01:01] <ZeroDni> realy you realy can use any by defalt just install server first witch i always do then just do apt-get install kde-base and you have kde for you to install only the programs you want
[01:01] <ecobuntu> somerville32: or just type server at boot, then install x-windows-system and fluxbox
[01:01] <LjL> oskude: and i'm glad i'm seeing a nice and reasonable top-of-the-screen menubar right now :P
[01:01] <ecobuntu> somerville32: then you'll be golden!
[01:01] <ecobuntu> EdLin: well i know what vanilla means but why would debian be 'vanilla' versus ubuntu?
[01:01] <oskude> LjL, :) dont tease me :)
[01:01] <ecobuntu> EdLin: ubuntu only has like two or three different programs
[01:02] <EdLin> ecobuntu, Ubuntu is a Debian-derived distribution.
[01:02] <ZeroDni> ecobuntu now what do you like about fluxbox i was thinking of trying it from kde but im affrid it doesnt have alot of the covinet things kde has
[01:02] <ecobuntu> EdLin: default Debian installation gives you
[01:02] <SEJeff> ecobuntu, Because Ubuntu changes and adds patches to software to make it better whereas debian often does not
[01:02] <ecobuntu> KDE and GNOME
[01:02] <oskude> i've heard "vanilla" metnioned with kerenel...
[01:02] <LjL> oskude: but i do! KDE is better! it just looks buttugly by default, but :P
[01:02] <oskude> *mentioned
[01:02] <SEJeff> oskude: vanilla kernel means mainline with 0 tweaks or patches
[01:02] <ecobuntu> SEJeff: so does Debian
[01:02] <Stormx2> how do I compress a couple of files, and what is the smallest compression type? (I'm compressing two large images)
[01:02] <EdLin> ecobuntu, Debian does not give you KDE and GNOME by default, unless you select it in tasksel
[01:02] <ecobuntu> SEJeff: you're lying!
[01:02] <SEJeff> ecobuntu: And which makes a better desktop, Debian or ubuntu?
[01:02] <oskude> LjL, i like gnome cause of its "cleaness"
[01:03] <cribeiro> calamari: Win98 is fast because it does VERY little :-)
[01:03] <SEJeff> ecobuntu: hence debian being vanilla
[01:03] <Xenguy> Stormx2: bzip2 compresses smaller than gzip AFAIK
[01:03] <oskude> debian or ubuntu doesnt make ANY desktops...
[01:03] <Stormx2> Xenguy: AFAIK?
[01:03] <cribeiro> calamari: did you solve your issue with lockups?
[01:03] <ecobuntu> Whatever you can get a 'vanilla' installation with either distro
[01:03] <drewbie42> somerville32,  have a look at openbox, or the xubuntu project, there is a good page on Openbox in the wiki
[01:03] <Xenguy> Stormx2: as far as i know
[01:03] <ecobuntu> that's why you can install server
[01:03] <ecobuntu> which has the base installations
[01:03] <ecobuntu> same thing
[01:03] <calamari> cribeiro: nope..
[01:03] <oskude> sadly xubuntu doenst work "out-of-the-box"...
[01:04] <oskude> yet, i hope :)
[01:04] <calamari> cribeiro: I need a tool that tells me which programs are causing the reads or writes to my drive
[01:04] <LjL> oskude: yea, gnome's "cleaness" is attractive, no doubt, but for myself, i've found that it starts being limiting and getting in the way quite soon. and i assure you that the way KDE works *makes sense*, it just appears not to because there are simply too many buttons one sees by default
[01:04] <nytryx|Ibook> ok ive converted a rpm to a deb now what?
[01:04] <somerville32> oskude: It does work out of the box
[01:04] <ecobuntu> ZeroDNI: fluxbox is very quick and highly configurable
[01:04] <ecobuntu> ZeroDNI: much more minimalistic than KDE
[01:04] <calamari> cribeiro: then when it happens I can see what the culprit is
[01:04] <SEJeff> LjL: What gets in the way?
[01:04] <saik0> nytryx|Ibook, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:05] <ecobuntu> There is now a GUI in Dapper to install .deb files
[01:05] <Red-Sox> how do you kill all traces of firefox?
[01:05] <ecobuntu> very exciting
[01:05] <oskude> LjL, just to keep you awake, give me an example why KDE is better than GNOME ?
[01:05] <ZeroDni> what kind of kcontrol like interface to they have or if they have any
[01:05] <Xenguy> ecobuntu: I would be interested to know how much lighter something like fluxbox really is than xfce4...
[01:05] <somerville32> Red-sox: killall firefox
[01:05] <calamari> cribeiro: people always say top.. but that is wrong because it doesn't track disk i/o.. and the problem doesn't appear in top.. top thinks everything is dandy .. with solid hd activity
[01:05] <nytryx|Ibook> ok the foo part being the name of the deb right?
[01:05] <LjL> SEJeff: it's simplemindedness. just to mention what oskude mentioned, i can't get top-of-the-screen menus with Gnome.
[01:05] <somerville32> Red-sox: killall firefox-bin
[01:05] <ecobuntu> Red-Sox: do you hate the Yankees?  Cause I do
[01:05] <SEJeff> LjL: I tend to find the shiny obnoxious kde buttons (way too many) get in my way
[01:05] <Red-Sox> a
[01:05] <cribeiro> calamari: there are a few tools that you can use
[01:05] <cribeiro> vmstat is useful
[01:05] <Red-Sox> ecobuntu, ROCK ON!!
[01:05] <N6REJ> Red-Sox,  are you wanting to "uninstall" it?
[01:05] <ecobuntu> Xenguy: i think it's way lighter
[01:05] <SEJeff> LjL: top of the screen menus?
[01:05] <sethk> LjL, I can't make gnome allow me to resize windows with alt-right mouse
[01:05] <LjL> oskude: the menubar? ;-P well, anyway, the KIOSlaves, for example?
[01:05] <Red-Sox> N6REJ, MOST CERTAINTLY NOT!
[01:05] <LjL> SEJeff: like MacOS'
[01:05] <cribeiro> calamari: vmstat will tell you which kind of disk usage you have  - if it is swapping or regular disk usage
[01:05] <oskude> LjL, KIOSlaves ? swt
[01:06] <N6REJ> Red-Sox, ok, wanted to make sure.. I hoped not :D
[01:06] <Xenguy> ecobuntu: for example, I tried a bunch of different WM's last week, and they didn't load any faster than xfce4 from what I could see.  Now maybe the memory usage is less, that I don't know
[01:06] <calamari> cribeiro: I think I need a program that logs disk i/o and which program did it.. so I can file an appropriate bug report
[01:06] <EnglishStan> Hello........
[01:06] <SEJeff> LjL: Read about the hack called kdeinit and then find a better argument :)
[01:06] <ZeroDni> oskude if you think about it nor kde are gnome is better than one another nome is more mac style and kde is more os2 and windows style
[01:06] <EnglishStan> anone any ideas
[01:06] <ecobuntu> Xenguy: well it's faster but if you're running KDE and GNOME apps it's still going to eat up your speed
[01:06] <calamari> cribeiro: otherwise people will say that my lockups are hardware related
[01:06] <SEJeff> LjL: I hate the Macos style topbar, but to each his own
[01:06] <Xenguy> ecobuntu: makes sense
[01:06] <cribeiro> calamari: if you are experiencing thrashing (yes, written this way) then it not a particular program. it just that you are swapping to much. it a VM fault.
[01:07] <ecobuntu> Xenguy: yeah...
[01:07] <cribeiro> calamari: type vmstat 5 and check its output
[01:07] <Stormx2> eek, how do I make bzip2 put 2 files in 1 archive? :(
[01:07] <sethk> SEJeff, he wasn't talking about whether someone loves it or hates it.  He was talking about flexibility, or lack of same, at the windowing system configuration layer
[01:07] <LjL> oskude: well, actually i was thinking more of KPart (KIOSlaves are more like gnome-vfs, i think, though i'm not 100% sure what gnome-vfs is about). KPart is KDE's object embedding mechanism. basically, the one that lets Konqueror show any kind of file KDE knows about (not just that, of course)
[01:07] <calamari> cribeiro: well the thing is that it normal;ly doesn't thrash.. and when it does I am not doing anything out of the ordinary.. fore example it just did it while I was chatting on irc
[01:07] <oskude> ZeroDni, i never had a mac, but i still like gnome more, it just feels lighter :) (and these are personal opinions anyway, i use KDE apps too)
[01:07] <cribeiro> there are a few numbers that you need to check - like po's and pi's, if I remember it correctly
[01:07] <ZeroDni> im just glade we have so many choses when it comes to interfaces
[01:07] <saik0> Stormx2, bz2 is just compression, you want a bzipped tarball
[01:07] <SpaceCake> cribeiro, and what if is swaping very offten ? :) altrough has just 128mb ram :)
[01:07] <LjL> SEJeff: you mean the hack that was once needed -- and isn't there anymore -- when G++ had problems with runtime linking?
[01:07] <EnglishStan> can someone PM me on how to get internet sorted out please?
[01:08] <Xenguy> !pm
[01:08] <Stormx2> saik0: Ok, how do I do that?
[01:08] <ubotu> from memory, pm is Ask your questions in the channel so that other people may also benefit from answers received.
[01:08] <ecobuntu> i'll be interested to see how the new GUI installer is for Ubuntu
[01:08] <saik0> Stormx2: man tar =)
[01:08] <nytryx|Ibook> saik0 i get status database area is locked by another process"
[01:08] <ZeroDni> EnlishStan how many nic interfaces do you have on the PC
[01:08] <ecobuntu> I'm running dapper right now and not too much is different yet
[01:08] <sethk> EnglishStan, that's rather a broad subject
[01:08] <rixth> http://hey-charlie.org/xchat.jpg See how xChat is interlacing /msg's with the main texT? How can I _stop_ it doing that?
[01:08] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: well, if you have little memory there's nothing that you can do, besides running fewer (and lighter) apps.
[01:08] <oskude> lets stop this KDE/GNOME flame, both are good, and the point is you can use even both :)
[01:08] <saik0> nytryx|Ibook, close synaptic =)
[01:08] <sexualpotatoes> how do i reinstall grub if i don't have a live cd??
[01:08] <ecobuntu> rixth: use irssi-text!!!!
[01:08] <sethk> oskude, indeed, I do use both
[01:08] <cribeiro> calamari: if you have something big running in the background... then you may experience heavy swapping. How much memory you have?
[01:09] <SEJeff> LjL: No, the one that doesn't allow me to use SELinux https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg00900.html
[01:09] <pixelmonkey> I just upgraded to breezy and have this annoying message on logging on about $HOME/.dmrc.  It says it needs to be 644 permissioned.  It is.  It exists.  Yet it still complains.
[01:09] <rixth> It just started doing it yesterday- seeming by itsels
[01:09] <nickrud> sethk, you can use alt mouse to resize windows; use the configuration editor and look at /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier
[01:09] <SEJeff> LjL: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0407/7698.cfm and it is still very much there
[01:09] <LjL> oskude: well, actually, the point i usually make is to *not* use both... either choose KDE or Gnome, but myself, i'd never bloat my system by using both
[01:09] <EnglishStan> Uboto. i have but i can't seem to get any answers
[01:09] <cribeiro> cribeiro: I insist on the swapping thesis because of what you say - low CPU usage coupled with high disk IO. it's typical.
[01:09] <calamari> cribeiro: 384mb .. and most is free.. I show no swap being used... and also when it freezies I've checked and no swap
[01:09] <SpaceCake> cribeiro, yea I know, thats way after testing Mandriva, Suse .. I got stuck with Ubuntu
[01:09] <ZeroDni> pixelmonkey i get that too only when i log in via XDMCP
[01:10] <sethk> nickrud, thanks, I'll try that.
[01:10] <SEJeff> LjL: Agreed. Doesn't make sense to load the libraries for 2 big toolkits into memory
[01:10] <oskude> LjL, well, there are programs that are only for GNOME or KDE, so i use both (libs, not desktops)
[01:10] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: Ubuntu is really a lot lighter. I just hope it doesnt get too bloated as times goes on...
[01:10] <pixelmonkey> ZeroDni, so what's the solution?
[01:10] <sexualpotatoes> !uboto grub after windows install
[01:10] <ubotu> sexualpotatoes: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:10] <nickrud> sethk, that's the area you want to look into for customizing metacity; it's not sawfish, but there is a bit
[01:10] <oskude> so, what ever you use, KDE or GNOME, u can use both programs in the other...
[01:10] <calamari> cribeiro: I wonder sometimes if it is a cron job that is causing it.. but I don't know how to find out besides disabling cron and I'd rather not
[01:10] <cribeiro> calamari: leave the vmstat in some terminal... and check it when the problem surfaces. it will tell you something about the nature of your disk IO.
[01:11] <rixth> !ubotu tell oskude about u
[01:11] <Madpilot> cribeiro: Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) runs faster on this machine than the previous release...
[01:11] <N6REJ> does anyone have the new sources.list file please?
[01:11] <cribeiro> calamari: I had some issues with cron a long time ago. Don't remember now, really.
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> new?
[01:11] <oskude> sorry for my lazyness :)
[01:11] <Madpilot> !tell N6REJ about repos
[01:11] <sexualpotatoes> !uboto tell sexualpotatoes about grub after installing ubuntu without live cd
[01:11] <ubotu> sexualpotatoes: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[01:11] <sexualpotatoes> lol
[01:11] <sexualpotatoes> gay
[01:11] <calamari> cribeiro: okay I will leave that running.. hopefully it will capture the problem.. thanks :)
[01:11] <oskude> ~ubotu set VAR "u" as "you" :)
[01:11] <SpaceCake> cribeiro, I got Cel300A, 3gb hdd, I tried even Suse 6.4. was a no go :( One option was Debian, but I got first Ubuntu :)
[01:12] <sethk> EnglishStan, sorry, there is so much traffic that whatever you specifically asked scrolled by before I could read it.
[01:12] <cribeiro> calamari: well, at least you'll know if the IO is process or application driven... or VM driven.
[01:12] <N6REJ> Madpilot, thanks!  I'm gonna save the darn thing this time.... I tried to install the AMD64 distro, but apprently I had a bad disk and I don't see how to "verify" that a disk burned right with nautilus.
[01:13] <ursine> anyone here familiar with linux sound troubles?
[01:13] <sethk> EnglishStan, you can /pm me with a question if you like
[01:13] <cribeiro> calamari: you may try also lsof or something like that
[01:13] <crimsun> ursine: like?
[01:13] <cribeiro> lsof lists open files. there's also other app that does something similar but I forgot its name
[01:13] <cribeiro> lsof also lists who's using the file
[01:13] <SEJeff> cribeiro: strace is pretty advanced. That is what you are talking about
[01:13] <ursine> I have a soundmax that isn't outputting any sound
[01:14] <SEJeff> cribeiro: * the tool that is similar
[01:14] <ursine> I managed to fix it in the last release, but don't remember what I did
[01:14] <N6REJ> ursine, mine worked right out of the box!
[01:14] <Xenguy> !tell sethk about pm
[01:14] <cribeiro> SEJeff: yes, that's it. I'm an old timer mind you :-) lsof was available for Solaris & BSD a long time ago...
[01:14] <repete> Hi all
[01:14] <Homer> in Jan 21, 2038 all computer systems will crash!
[01:14] <oskude> ursine, ...cant remeber what i did. i could sing a song with those ones :) (i feel with you)
[01:14] <_jason> Homer, why's that
[01:15] <ursine> if I recall there was some configuration thingie to do with the headset jack
[01:15] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: i have a few old PCs running Ubuntu too.
[01:15] <Homer> cause POSIX machines are using a 32-bit signed int to keep track of time
[01:15] <Homer> and windows too
[01:15] <Homer> from 1970
[01:15] <N6REJ> Is there a Nero like cdburning program for *nix?
[01:15] <SEJeff> cribeiro: I'm not sure about lsof in Solaris. The Solaris strace equivalent is truss I believe
[01:15] <sethk> Xenguy, at times there is so much traffic that one person's questions never break through
[01:15] <Xenguy> N6REJ: k3b  ?
[01:15] <N6REJ> k3b?
[01:16] <ursine> does anyone know some useful commands for getting sound configuration info?
[01:16] <Homer> there will be outofbounds kernal panic errors! :(
[01:16] <repete> N6REJ: yea, I'd recommend k3b
[01:16] <Homer> cause the int will be too large for the memory
[01:16] <cribeiro> SEJeff: wow, that's really from so 80's -- truss! how long since I had heard about it :-)
[01:16] <SEJeff> cribeiro: I deal with HP-UX, AIX, and Linux. Haven't played much with Solaris
[01:16] <Xenguy> sethk: exceptions to all rules I suppose
[01:16] <ursine> k3b is pretty cool
[01:16] <saik0> Homer, you're being serious, are you?
[01:16] <N6REJ> repete, gr8t ty, I'll look for it.
[01:16] <repete> Has anyone seen the 'smart' developer in irc?
[01:16] <Homer> yes
[01:17] <Homer> you have about 32 years before your computer explodes
[01:17] <Homer> :D
[01:17] <Xenguy> ursine: lspci |less  (look for keyword 'audio')
[01:17] <saik0> Homer, the problem is well know, and will be adresed long before then
[01:17] <SEJeff> cribeiro: Yeah, it's a great tool. But you have to compile it in HP-UX. It doesn't come stock.
[01:17] <repete> N6REJ: 'sudo apt-get install k3b' :-)
[01:17] <oskude> Homer, you have any "evidence" or just theory ?
[01:17] <Homer> it's a well known problem
[01:17] <cribeiro> SEJeff: I had some experience with Solaris about 9 or 8 years ago. I worked on a Sun reseller... and I did some deployments. At that time I used Linux too, Slackware & stuff like that.
[01:17] <Homer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
[01:17] <_jason> Homer, does that mean that if someone set's the date to 2040 their computer won't work?
[01:17] <Homer> yes
[01:18] <SpaceCake> !mms
[01:18] <ubotu> Wish i knew, SpaceCake
[01:18] <oskude> Homer, so if i set my clock to 2038, my pc will explode ? :)
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> they will explode.
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:18] <Homer> like a hand granade
[01:18] <Homer> booooom
[01:18] <sethk> oskude, it might just melt down
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> and your robo-love-doll will workbackwards!
[01:18] <sethk> Dr_Willis, hmm, promise?
[01:18] <SpaceCake> oskude, my one survived now for 8y, 300 clocked at 450 :)
[01:18] <ClayG> anyone gotten k9copy to work?
[01:19] <Homer> unless you keep reverting back the time your computer will crash
[01:19] <Urthmover> good evening people
[01:19] <Urthmover> has anyone ever used FreeNX?
[01:19] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I did play a little bit.
[01:19] <SEJeff> Homer, by then, most computers will be 64bit and that will be irrelevant
[01:19] <Madpilot> ClayG: k9copy? that's for cloning dogs, is it?
[01:19] <oskude> hmm, where do i change the year of my ubuntu clock ? :)
[01:19] <Homer> right
[01:19] <Hentai^XP> Homer that date problem dosen't effect windows
[01:20] <_jason> Homer, what are we going to do about the year 292,277,026,596 problem ?
[01:20] <ClayG> Well sort of, only the big ones
[01:20] <Urthmover> well I'm having trouble getting it up and running ...do you mind taking a moment to help me troubleshoot it?
[01:20] <Homer> but then the year 292,277,026,596 problem would be a problem
[01:20] <cribeiro> Urthmover: it's good, but I found a few issues... nothing big... But the performance is amazing.
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> I need to copy my dog and enlarge him 200%
[01:20] <Homer> :(
[01:20] <ClayG> you woudl never use it on a dashund
[01:20] <Homer> poor people in the year year 292,277,026,596
[01:20] <Urthmover> great cribeiro
[01:20] <oskude> well, i allso heard about the year 2000bug, didnt even notice it was 2000...
[01:20] <sethk> ClayG, actually, I did that.  My dog is only half dashschund
[01:20] <Urthmover> I need someone to help me get it working....
[01:21] <Urthmover> I can apt-get it from the different source
[01:21] <ClayG> Whats the other half?
[01:21] <Urthmover> and even set the key
[01:21] <cribeiro> Urthmover: well, I had some trouble too :-) I just followe instructions, it worked. But I could not quite figure out the authentication stuff.
[01:21] <ClayG> please dont say human, lol
[01:21] <EddieDaMan> hi clay
[01:21] <Urthmover> but now I'm not sure what to do
[01:21] <ursine> are there any other sound config thingies aside from lspci?
[01:21] <ClayG> Hey eddie, did you get that ama prob fixed?
[01:21] <Urthmover> nxclient: cannot connect to X server
[01:21] <EddieDaMan> not yet
[01:21] <guydebord> HI. I just configured my wireless connection at a friends house.  Now, using my own IP it doesnt seem to work. Anyohe can tell me what my wireless interface properties should look like and where I reeenter my browser direction?
[01:21] <Red-Sox> what osx-style dock for windows installs on wine?
[01:22] <ClayG> Don't worry, there was a simple Gnome problem I was hunting the answer for for 3 days
[01:22] <oskude> ursine, "lspci" just shows what harware you have on pci bus
[01:22] <oskude> +d
[01:22] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I was able to make it work on a new Ubuntu install. I had some trouble installing it on my home PC... because the installation is really confusing after one year and two dist-upgrades :-)
[01:22] <ursine> yeah, I know
[01:22] <ursine> that's why I need to find some commands for configuring my soundcard
[01:22] <EddieDaMan> what exactly is kde?
[01:22] <cribeiro> Urthmover: what did you do?
[01:22] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: The spawn of satan
[01:22] <fredforfaen> EddieDaMan a window manager
[01:22] <Urthmover> well cribeiro what doy ou suggest  right now I can SSH into the machine and I've somehow busted VNC
[01:23] <EddieDaMan> lol
[01:23] <ptlo> EddieDaMan, it's a desktop environment; like gnome, but different
[01:23] <fredforfaen> yeah SEJeff
[01:23] <EddieDaMan> ic
[01:23] <oskude> ursine, sry, but linux and sound is a "black hole" for me, thats why i have ubuntu that autoconfigured it for me :)
[01:23] <ClayG> anyone here use squid or stunnel?
[01:23] <Urthmover> mind helping me get it working again.....I only changed my gdm.conf (thinking XDMCP) was going to be what I wanted for remote access
[01:23] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I kind of remember that I did the apt-get, etc... and it would not work out of the box... but I did one command, don't remember which one... to set the authentication method. It worked after that.
[01:23] <EddieDaMan> are there any programs like winamp for linux other than amaroK?
[01:23] <SEJeff> ClayG: I set up squid at work. Squid supports ssl so you don't really need stunnel with it
[01:24] <cribeiro> Urthmover: It was on the office and no, I did not keep any notes :-(
[01:24] <Urthmover> lol
[01:24] <oskude> EddieDaMan, xmms
[01:24] <Urthmover> bummer
[01:24] <EddieDaMan> does is stream?
[01:24] <ptlo> EddieDaMan, there are xmms, and bmp which look very much like winamp .) also there is rhythmbox, banshee and muine for music playing
[01:24] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: beep-media-player is the newest best winamp clone. Even uses winamp themes
[01:24] <oskude> EddieDaMan, yes, audio
[01:24] <Urthmover> man this sucks cause VNC is now dead....what is the easiest way to reconfigure VNC?
[01:24] <cribeiro> Urthmover: well, let's try :-) what did you do up to this point?
[01:24] <EddieDaMan> kewl
[01:24] <oskude> EddieDaMan, but if you want to stream NSV video, use mplayer and w32codecs...
[01:24] <EddieDaMan> okay
[01:25] <Urthmover> I edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to allow XDMCP
[01:25] <saik0> EddieDaMan, unless theres some specific xmms plugin you want you probably want bmp
[01:25] <Urthmover> but have since gone back and reversed those changes
[01:25] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: xmms and beep are both good. The main difference is that beep uses the gtk2 toolkit which makes it prettier and integrate better into your ubuntu desktopo
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> how do i get beep?
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> is that just through synap
[01:25] <ursine> does anyone know what commands can be used for configuring sound on linux aside from lspci?
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> ?
[01:25] <Urthmover> netstat -l does not show a listen VNC on 5800 :-(
[01:25] <early> has anyone in here been a mandriva user prior to ubuntu?
[01:25] <oskude> EddieDaMan, try first, ask then
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> lol
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> k
[01:25] <oskude> :)
[01:25] <cribeiro> Well. What's the problem with freenx? Did you install it, etc... at what point did it fail?
[01:25] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player*
[01:26] <cribeiro> Urthmover: try to start the daemon manually.
[01:26] <cribeiro> Urthmover: /etc/init.d/vnc or something like this.
[01:26] <Urthmover> what is the syntax?
[01:26] <saik0> SEJeff, that would install beep-media-player-jack
[01:26] <Urthmover> thanks
[01:26] <cribeiro> Urthmover: check you /etc/init.d directory
[01:27] <ecobuntu> beer
[01:27] <cribeiro> Urthmover: there must be a script to start & stop VNC. I dont have it installed here so I cant tell the name to you
[01:27] <Urthmover> there is no VNC in /etc/init.d
[01:27] <cribeiro> perhaps it was uninstalled when you grabbed freenx... who knows?
[01:27] <Urthmover> I only did what came default on Breezy
[01:27] <SEJeff> saik0: Thats an output plugin. It can be changed so it doesn't matter
[01:27] <Urthmover> anyone know hor to reinstall and reconfigure VNC?
[01:28] <Urthmover> know how cribeiro?
[01:28] <cribeiro> there are two options.
[01:28] <ecobuntu> Urthmover: apt-get --reinstall install vnc
[01:28] <pridkett> is there an easy way to get additional debugging from a startup script?
[01:28] <cribeiro> Urthmover: you may try to uninstall it... and reinstall it later.
[01:28] <pridkett> I have a script that fails at startup, but when I run it manually it works fine
[01:28] <saik0> SEJeff, meh, I just prefer not installing stuff I have absolutely no use for
[01:28] <guydebord> No one has any idea on configuring a wireless connection for a specific inet address.  One thing is the address is different in eth and lo after the ifconfig command
[01:28] <SEJeff> pridkett: What script
[01:28] <pridkett> SEJeff: it's one that I wrote myself for LIRC
[01:29] <pridkett> so it's not supported
[01:29] <Urthmover> ? cribeiro
[01:29] <Urthmover> man I just want some graphical remote access
[01:29] <cribeiro> Urthmover: one moment I was checking. WHich VNC did you use before?
[01:29] <Urthmover> how do I strip VNC from it and re-install?
[01:29] <SEJeff> pridkett: It is likely a dependency issue. Make sure that is is started last. Create the symlink to be something like S1000customscript
[01:29] <oskude> Urthmover, i just did System>Administration>Shared Folders, opened a foleder. and on antoher machine connected with vncwiever (or so)
[01:29] <Urthmover> whatever comes with breezy
[01:29] <Urthmover> I'm not too sure which
[01:29] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I assume it was vino
[01:29] <pridkett> SEJeff: yeah, it's already S99
[01:29] <Urthmover> what is the apt-get name for vnc?
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> theres several vncs you can install.. I dident think any were installed by default
[01:30] <cribeiro> Urthmover: sudo apt-get remove vino
[01:30] <SEJeff> pridkett: You could also start it from your gnome session so it is ran whenever you login to gnome?
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> theres 'tightvnc' 'vnc4server' and i think the old fashoned 'vncserver'
[01:30] <cribeiro> Urthmover: sudo apt-get install vino
[01:30] <pridkett> SEJeff: unfortunately, it's starting up lirc, which is a system level server.  needed for mythtv
[01:30] <SEJeff> Urthmover: apt-cache search vnc to find out
[01:30] <oskude> and what does "System>Administration>Shared Folders" use ?
[01:30] <pridkett> otherwise, that would be a great idea
[01:30] <oskude> OH, my fault
[01:30] <oskude> sry
[01:30] <SEJeff> pridkett: so what. Put sudo in front of it in the sessions that you have autologin
[01:31] <oskude> was something else, sec
[01:31] <cribeiro> I think that "vino" is the closest to a "default"... I believe it's installed by Ubuntu for remote administration.
[01:31] <SEJeff> pridkett: You could also have the session autologin and start myth
[01:31] <saik0> oskude, NFS and/or SMB
[01:31] <pridkett> SEJeff: I didn't think about the sudo thing
[01:31] <guydebord> No one has any idea on configuring a wireless connection for a specific inet address.  One thing is the address is different in eth and lo after the ifconfig command
[01:31] <pridkett> I can do that, thanks for the pointer
[01:31] <Urthmover> of the 3 different VNC's What has the best performance cribeiro?
[01:31] <pridkett> its' a hack, but should owrk
[01:31] <pridkett> work
[01:31] <oskude> what does "System>Preferences>Remote Desktop" use
[01:31] <sexualpotatoes> anyone know how to reinstall GRUb after installing windows, w/ just the original cd?
[01:32] <SEJeff> pridkett: System --> Preferences --> Sessions --> Startup. Click add. Add sudo /yourscriptpath/name.sh and then add another one for mythtv
[01:32] <Urthmover> cribeiro: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://antesis.freecontrib.org breezy/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/antesis.freecontrib.org_mirrors_ubuntu_plf_dists_breezy_free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:32] <Urthmover> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://antesis.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/antesis.freecontrib.org_mirrors_ubuntu_plf_dists_breezy_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:32] <Urthmover> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:32] <Urthmover> how do I get rid of those errors?
[01:32] <SEJeff> pridkett: That will ONLY work if you have the NOPASSWD option set in your sudoers file. Do you?
[01:32] <Urthmover> edit /apt/sources.list?
[01:32] <pridkett> SEJeff: actually, myth starts just fine through GDM autologin.  This should work.
[01:32] <nytryx|Ibook> ok heres another problem
[01:32] <pridkett> SEJeff: thanks
[01:32] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I really don't know. I used to use tightvnc with Windows... but I dont know which is better
[01:32] <oskude> Urthmover, sry i ment "System>Preferences>Remote Desktop" and then vncwiever on the other machine
[01:33] <SEJeff> pridkett: sudo lircscript.sh will only work with the NOPASSWD option in your sudoers file. Do you have that?
[01:33] <guydebord> both direct and wireless connection should be through eth0 connection no.  What is lo for?
[01:33] <nytryx|Ibook> i have openmosix installed but now i wanto install openmosixviewer and its telling me that it needs openmosix to install but its installed!
[01:33] <oskude> guydebord, lo = loopback = local
[01:33] <nytryx|Ibook> what do i do?
[01:33] <SEJeff> guydebord: loopback. It's something builtin to every network card to test and make sure it is working correctly with the OS
[01:33] <cribeiro> Urthmover: Well. Seems you package mangager is somehow broken. Editing /etc/apt/sources,list may help
[01:34] <guydebord> ok.  so how do I make sure wireless conection configured through eth0?
[01:34] <cribeiro> Urthmover: did you try 'sudo apt-get update'?
[01:34] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Remove those repositories from your sources.list or comment them out. It means they can't be contacted
[01:34] <cribeiro> guydeboard: your wireless connection will probably not use the name 'eth0'
[01:34] <cribeiro> guydeboard: my one, for instance... use the name 'ath0'. The 'a' stands for Atheros, the name of the chipset on my noteobok.
[01:35] <nytryx|Ibook> hello?
[01:35] <scoperesolution> has anyone used ctorrent or know of a good command line based BT client?
[01:35] <oskude> guydebord, de.archive.ubuntu.com was down a while yesterday, so maybe your mirror is down...
[01:36] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, world ? :)
[01:36] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Just the ones that are giving errors
[01:36] <guydebord> no. was working fine this morning.  trying to activate wlan0 now.
[01:36] <cribeiro> guydebord: I just read a older msg from you. No, your wireless connection will NOT use the same interface as your wired one.
[01:36] <bimberi> sexualpotatoes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[01:36] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Then run sudo apt-get update again and all should be well
[01:36] <Urthmover> how do I look back at those errors?  dmesg or something?
[01:36] <nytryx|Ibook> what
[01:37] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude ive got the dependency already installed
[01:37] <cribeiro> Urthmover: if you mean the apt errors, I dont think they will show up in dmesg
[01:37] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, you said hello, i said world = hello world :)
[01:37] <SEJeff> Urthmover: dmesg is only kernel stuff. They might be in /var/log/messages. But you might try scrolling up in xchat :)
[01:37] <bimberi> Urthmover: freenx could be worth another try if you follow this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[01:37] <nytryx|Ibook> its openmosix im trying to install openmosixview
[01:37] <nytryx|Ibook> ahh ok
[01:37] <SEJeff> Urthmover: http://antesis.freecontrib.org breezy/free
[01:37] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, sry, didn pick your problem, repeat ?
[01:38] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Get freenx from the repo set up by Seveas. He is awesome
[01:38] <saik0> scoperesolution, bittorrent or bittornado for curses GUI
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> what?
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude ive got the dependency already installed
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude ive got the dependency already installed
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> its openmosix im trying to install openmosixview
[01:38] <cribeiro> SEJEff: seems that Urthmover tried this repository, and had a problem to get packages from it.
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> but i get the package couild not be installed when it already is
[01:38] <cribeiro> SEJeff: or at least, that was the problem he had with apt-get a few minutes ago...
[01:38] <SEJeff> cribeiro: He got a 404 not found. So he is commenting it out. I see the problem, this is easy to fix
[01:38] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, hmm, what do you type and what do you get (please dont paste multi lines here()
[01:39] <ThePyromaniac> if i had a partition for mp3's and mounted it to /home/phil/media/music, then changed the mount to /home/phil/media to include all media types, how could i also change where windows will view the partitiion?
[01:39] <EddieDaMan> how do you get xmms to stream?
[01:39] <funkyHat> Is it actually possible _at all_ to stop esd from locking the soundcard when it's using it? even though i've got DMIX set up?
[01:39] <ThePyromaniac> cause /home/phil/media/music was E;/ and that still only loads the music folder
[01:39] <repete> Does anyone know if 'smart' has an irc channel?
[01:39] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, scnr, call MS-hotline :)
[01:39] <cribeiro> SEJeff: I dont get it... you supplied him with the same line he had to comment. Am I missing something??
[01:39] <nytryx|Ibook> im using synaptic ive already installed openmosix i want to install openmosixview but it wont let me because it says it can download the dependency (which is already installed) oskude
[01:40] <purplefeltangel> can someone help me install a program
[01:40] <SEJeff> cribeiro: Yes, he wasn't sure what line to comment, so I gave it to him.
[01:40] <ThePyromaniac> oskude ok, as soon as i get 40 for the call, haha!
[01:40] <SEJeff> cribeiro: You said you didn't think dmesg showed apt errors. You were correct. He wanted to see the apt error so he could comment out those repositories
[01:40] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, sec
[01:41] <EddieDaMan> are there any additional thinkg you need to dl for xmms to stream media, like an online radio?
[01:41] <cribeiro> SEJeff: I thought you were telling him to ADD it :-) sorry
[01:41] <dino`> what can i add to /etc/apt/sources.list so i can install VLC safe and easy?
[01:41] <Urthmover> well I've fixed the sources.list
[01:41] <SEJeff> cribeiro: Nope, comment it out and then do sudo apt-get update
[01:41] <ThePyromaniac> anyone? :/
[01:42] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: try icecast
[01:42] <Urthmover> but shen I start nxclient (for freeNX) it says Xserver could not be contacted....how do I make sure Xserver is running right?
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> icecast?
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> is that a separate program?
[01:42] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: yes, icecast... it's a shoutcast clone. A mp3 streaming serverf.
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> i c
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> thnks
[01:43] <purplefeltangel> can someone help me install a program?? :-/
[01:43] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, oh thats funny "sudo apt-get install openmosixview" > "openmosixview: Depends: openmosix but it is not installable" and "apt-cache search openmosix" > "A graphical tool to manage an openmosix cluster" i think you should contact the maintainer of the package or search the mailing list/forums of that program...
[01:43] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, what are you trying to install
[01:43] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I dont remember it very well. I may try to reproduce it here... but I belive that you should be running the freenx deamon... is it running?
[01:44] <purplefeltangel> kyral, AIM for linux
[01:44] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, oh thats funny "sudo apt-get install openmosixview" > "openmosixview: Depends: openmosix but it is not installable" and "apt-cache search openmosix" > "openmosixview - A graphical tool to manage an openmosix cluster" i think you should contact the maintainer of the package or search the mailing list/forums of that program...
[01:44] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, GAIM is much better
[01:44] <nytryx|Ibook> ok i have openmosix installed!
[01:44] <purplefeltangel> kyral, i want to see for myself. =_=;
[01:44] <saik0> purplefeltangel, IMO Gaim is far better then the official AIM client
[01:44] <timello> hey guys! Is there some workaround for Bug 15372?
[01:44] <purplefeltangel> plus i want have to learn how to install programs eventually.
[01:44] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, how did you do that ?
[01:45] <Kyral> !tell purplefeltangel about apt
[01:45] <nytryx|Ibook> had to convert a rpm to a dep and installed it via the terminal
[01:45] <oskude> timello, scnr, yeah the solution 12435435 should work :)
[01:45] <ThePyromaniac> damn, in linux i had a IDE drive mounted and i unhooked it, now it says it doesnt exist after rebooting and replugging
[01:45] <timello> oskude, I can use my accents... ok... let me see
[01:45] <cribeiro> Urthmover: well, I was checking the link mentioned above... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX... checkit. it sould solve your problem (I hope you are running Breezy BTW)
[01:46] <kukito> hi newbie question: when I log in as a regular user, whenever I click on the sda1 icon I get an error message indicating I don't have permissions to browse the disk. I can sudo into nautilus and browse that way, but I would rather unmount the drive than having it open with an error message. I'm unable to change permissions on the drive even when I'm logged in as root. Any suggestions?
[01:46] <timello> oskude, I mean... I can't use
[01:46] <timello> :)
[01:46] <Siph0n> hey all
[01:47] <timello> oskude, what is that? Attachment number?
[01:47] <Siph0n> when i reboot ubuntu, i get a msg saying it cant unmount my filesystem cause its busy, then when it boots back up it failed when it mounts local filesystem... any ideas? :) like how to fix  :)
[01:47] <oskude> scnr = sorry, could not resist so allmost = joke :)
[01:47] <purplefeltangel> kyral, isnt apt-get like package manager except on the commandline?
[01:47] <samia> n
[01:47] <samia> bah
[01:48] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, the Package Manager(GUI) is a frontend to Apt-Get
[01:48] <oskude> Tidus, as you said a bud number, that i even know where to find, i made a joke to a solution (that i dont know where to find :)
[01:48] <oskude> bud=bug
[01:48] <purplefeltangel> kyral i dont know what frontend means
[01:48] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, its a pretty interface to the commandline Apt-Get
[01:49] <ThePyromaniac> guys? how to fix a broken mount of a HD?
[01:49] <oskude> server = buttler, fronted = you saying the buttler what to do...
[01:49] <purplefeltangel> kyral, so, if a package isnt in a repository, i cant get it?
[01:49] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude is there a way i can tell it to install and ignore the depencies?
[01:49] <purplefeltangel> kyral: cuz AIM isnt in any repository.
[01:49] <timello> oskude, ah! Heh... ok... I didn't understand... ok... so... no way? :/
[01:49] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, until you learn more...
[01:49] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, i think "apt-get -f install" should do this
[01:50] <Cole> purplefeltangel: use GAIM it is preinstalled.. it supports AIM/MSN/ICQ and all of that stuff
[01:50] <marktt> I have done something I should not have.
[01:50] <ursine> anyone familiar with linux sound configuration?
[01:50] <purplefeltangel> cole, i know. i want to try the official client, and i have to learn to install programs eventually.
[01:50] <oskude> timello, show me a link to your bug, and if theres no solution on the bug list, i doubt that theres a way...
[01:50] <marktt> For some reason it seemed a good idea at the time.
[01:50] <timello> oskude,  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372
[01:51] <Cole> purplefeltangel: AIM has an official client? didn't know that lol
[01:51] <cribeiro> purplefeltangel: I'm using GAIM right now as a IRC client. It's not the best one for this but it's convenient because I also on MSN, etc... on a single app.
[01:51] <purplefeltangel> cole yes
[01:51] <nytryx|Ibook> same error oskude
[01:51] <sexcopter8000m> purplefeltangel, the official aim client may well be in an additional repository
[01:51] <marktt> To install a particular 'thing' .... it looked like I needed to upgrade gcc.....
[01:51] <timello> oskude, I use us international with dead keys... but is the same problem I think
[01:51] <purplefeltangel> sexcopter8000m, it's not in universe, multiverse or main.
[01:51] <Cole> multiverse maybe?
[01:51] <sexcopter8000m> purplefeltangel, oh ok then
[01:51] <ThePyromaniac> Broken HD mount anyone? unplugged IDE HDD and now it doesnt exist after i put it back in and reboot
[01:51] <Siph0n> do anyone got an idea why my filesystem is busy when i am shutting down? so it cant be unmounted it says, then gives an error when it boots up saying it cant be mounted.... but everything else seems fine
[01:51] <marktt> So I reckoned I could do no wrong in removing presently installed version... then upgrade...
[01:52] <marktt> oooops.
[01:52] <Cole> purplefeltangel: there are .debs build to debian 3 on aim.com.. those are what i'd use
[01:52] <marktt> I halted the de-installation of just about everything midstream.
[01:52] <Cole> purplefeltangel: or you can use use the TGZ's
[01:52] <oskude> timello, that bug sounds nasty (so many comments) sry, cant help you with that :(
[01:53] <purplefeltangel> cole, ok, but when i click on the .deb files they try to open in firefox and my computer crashes....
[01:53] <sexcopter8000m> purplefeltangel, iirc, it's sudo dpkg -i thedebfile.deb
[01:53] <timello> oskude, yeah... no problem... but look at glance it seems not has any fix yet
[01:54] <oskude> timello, yeah, i got the same impression...
[01:54] <timello> but... anyway... thanks
[01:54] <marktt> Is there a way to re-install packages when the manager says 'unmet dependencies......but this will not be installed'...
[01:55] <sells> anyone know how to create mp4 for an ipod
[01:55] <nalioth> marktt: yes, dont use non ubuntu pkgs
[01:55] <sells> for podcasts
[01:55] <oskude> timello, np, nice to have problems that are "real" bugs, and not just lazyness searching yourself ;)
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> i need to know how to format and partition a secondary disk - hdb - if it shows up in the disks window but greys out the create partitions button
[01:55] <slew> hi, what do i need to get wmv's to play? i already have w32 codecs installed
[01:55] <Cole> purplefeltangel: type wget http://ftp.newaol.com/aimgen/380469/aim_1.5.286-2_i386.deb
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> whats the command in bash to format andpartition hdb
[01:56] <timello> oskude, yeah... I already learned :)
[01:56] <purplefeltangel> thank you cole
[01:56] <marktt> nalioth: thanks.
[01:56] <Cole> (i didn't actually check it.. but it shoudl work)
[01:56] <jonnyakajemol> who is liz4rd
[01:56] <oskude> shadeofgrey, "mkfs.*" what format do you want to make ?
[01:56] <tcmjr> Hello guys
[01:56] <nalioth> sells: install libfaad* and libfaac*
[01:56] <jonnyakajemol> who is:liz4rd
[01:56] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  ext3
[01:56] <sells> nalioth: okay
[01:57] <tcmjr> Just installed 5.10 and gaim is not showing my buddies pictures ... when I start it i see the flashing pictures as their icon but it vanishes ... Anyone know why
[01:57] <bimberi> shadeofgrey: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb (to partiton), then mkfs (to format)
[01:57] <oskude> shadeofgrey, then for format you would use "mkfs.ext3 <partition>"
[01:57] <marktt> Though all I really want to get back is the gnome things that got 'smaked'.
[01:57] <nalioth> sells: also gstreamer0.8-faad and -faac will allow you to PLAY aac/mp4/m4a files
[01:57] <jonnyakajemol> what command do i type to find out what server my friend is on
[01:57] <nalioth> EnglishStan: i had fish for lunch, thank you
[01:57] <sells> nalioth: I want to make mp4
[01:57] <EddieDaMan> hmmm, i downloaded ice cast put i can't seem to stream
[01:57] <EnglishStan> lol
[01:58] <sells> nalioth: when I go to get those libs, they are not found
[01:58] <nalioth> sells: enable the universe and multiverse repos
[01:58] <bob832> hmm, seem to have a problem that just developed. . . openoffice is not opening . . .any suggestions?
[01:58] <nytryx|Ibook> ok anyone how do i tell ubuntu that the damned package is already installed its there in synaptic
[01:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sells about repos
[01:58] <oskude> shadeofgrey, and for partitioning, fdisk, cfdisk, parted, waht you like :)
[01:58] <EddieDaMan> after to dl, what am i suppose to do?
[01:58] <sells> nalioth: got it
[01:59] <EddieDaMan> gosh i can't wait to get one thing working on this os = )
[01:59] <ThePyromaniac> please somebody help me... :(
[01:59] <EddieDaMan> lol
[01:59] <oskude> shadeofgrey, for console, cfdisk looks the "best" :)
[01:59] <sells> nalioth: so how do I got about converting or making mp4
[01:59] <ThePyromaniac> i ask a few times and wait for reply but nothing
[01:59] <bimberi> bob2: try "oowriter2" from a terminal and see if there are any errors
[01:59] <EddieDaMan> how do i get xmms to stream after i dl icecast?
[02:00] <bimberi> er, bob832^^^ (sry bob2)
[02:00] <nalioth> sells: i'm not sure about 'creating' mp4, but with libfaac* and libfaad* libs you CAN do it. i dont know what programs convert or otw
[02:00] <korhalf> anyone able to get rid of that DRM shit so the wmvs can actually playt properly?
[02:00] <sells> nalioth: thanks
[02:00] <korhalf> I cant play any wmvs that i download, each and every one of them is encrypted
[02:00] <bob832> bimberi. . .lol, no problem about the name
[02:00] <oskude> korhalf, DRM, whats that :) scnr
[02:00] <tcmjr> Just installed 5.10 and gaim is not showing my buddies pictures ... when I start it i see the flashing pictures as their icon but it vanishes ... Anyone know why
[02:00] <dug52143> list
[02:00] <bimberi> bob832: :)
[02:00] <bob832> bimberi:  hmm, got two errors
[02:01] <Moco> Hey, I am trying to ./configure a file, but it says zlib is missing. But it is installed..?
[02:01] <korhalf> os2mac, its what wmp uses to encrypt the streams
[02:01] <bob832> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/libsvl680li.so: invalid ELF header
[02:01] <korhalf> thats why you get garbled or green screens when you use mplayer on a wmv file thats been encrypted
[02:01] <korhalf> and im asking here if anyone has gotten rid of that
[02:01] <oskude> Moco, for compiling you need the "*-dev" packages
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> okay i made hdb a primary partition
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> but it wont show in the disks window still
[02:01] <EddieDaMan> eddie is a noob, how do i stream using xmms and icecast?
[02:01] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: well, it's not xmms that will stream... it's icecast. or at least I think that's the way it works
[02:01] <EddieDaMan> oh
[02:02] <eternalist> laszlok, you from hungary?
[02:02] <oskude> shadeofgrey, so you partitioned the whole disk as ext3 ?
[02:02] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: I just installed it yesterday... but have no time to try it yet.
[02:02] <purplefeltangel> how do you log in as root? :S
[02:02] <EddieDaMan> i dled icast, but its' not even showing up on my application sond thingy
[02:02] <eternalist> oskude, any idea ?
[02:02] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: sudo su
[02:02] <oskude> shadeofgrey, after that you have to "mkfs.ext /dev/hdb1"
[02:02] <bimberi> bob832: eww, perhaps try googling for    openoffice.org libsvl680li.so: invalid ELF header      ?
[02:02] <EddieDaMan> what exactly is the apt get command?
[02:02] <oskude> shadeofgrey, after that you have to "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1"
[02:02] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: log in as a non-root user first
[02:03] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: then run sudo su at the command line
[02:03] <shadeofgrey> os2mac:  i assume so...  but when i tried to do mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb it said "dev/hdb is rntire device not just one partition"
[02:03] <oskude> eternalist, and if you want to use it, you have to mount it
[02:03] <eternalist> oskude, what?
[02:03] <bob832> bimberi:  alright, google here i come
[02:03] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: did you try the 'sudo apt-get install icecast-server'?
[02:03] <oskude> /dev/hdb is the drive. /dev/hdb1 is the first parition
[02:03] <bob832> bimberi:  thanks for the help...without you, never would have know about the errors
[02:03] <bimberi> bob832: np, good luck :)
[02:04] <jrsims> anyone know why fluxbox runs slower than Gnome? Programs start really slow in fluxbox for some reason.
[02:04] <EddieDaMan> i'll try that
[02:04] <oskude> oh man, i hate IRC, i get lost on how asked what...
[02:04] <kode4u> hi, which php web mail program u all commonly used.
[02:04] <oskude> *how = who
[02:04] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: did you understand what I told you?
[02:05] <nalioth> eternalist: you can play older format wmv, just not new ones. it's not enccyption, it's obfuscation in the codec
[02:05] <Cole> jrsims: are they gnome apps that open slower?
[02:05] <ThePyromaniac> HELLO?! How can i fix a broken mount after removing and IDE cable, reinserting and rebooting?
[02:05] <purplefeltangel> jrsims yes... how come its asking me for a password?
[02:05] <jrsims> Cole: yeah, firefox opens really slow
[02:05] <EddieDaMan> k, i donwload it
[02:05] <ThePyromaniac> the Auto-Mount file from ubuntulinux doesnt work
[02:05] <Moco> have you tried to manually mount it?
[02:05] <Cole> jrsims: because none of the supporting gnome libs are in memory yet
[02:05] <EddieDaMan> by that means, nothing shows up on my app thing
[02:05] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: just enter the password you logged in with
[02:05] <eternalist> nalioth, how can i solve?
[02:06] <jrsims> Cole: I see. So as I load Gnome apps, everything starts to run faster?
[02:06] <eternalist> nalioth, should i wine wmp 9?
[02:06] <purplefeltangel> jrsims, when i type, the password field is still blank
[02:06] <Netslayer> does the new 5.10 livecd have memtest on it?
[02:06] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: it should be. that's how it hides your password from say, people looking over your shoulder.
[02:06] <Netslayer> or is it the install cd?
[02:06] <Cole> jrsims: in theory yes
[02:06] <purplefeltangel> jrsims, ah, thx
[02:06] <EddieDaMan> after i dl the server do i need to dl anything else after the server?
[02:06] <EddieDaMan> like the client?
[02:06] <EddieDaMan> if that exists
[02:07] <nalioth> eternalist: that is your only option to play modern wmv files
[02:07] <EddieDaMan> >.<
[02:07] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: cool. sometimes you'll wonder why you can't run certain programs - it's because you're not running the program as root.
[02:07] <jonnyakajemol> how do i install with linux?
[02:07] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: I was checking, just a momento
[02:07] <ThePyromaniac> DOH, removed from fstab and reran auto-mount
[02:07] <EddieDaMan> okay, thanks
[02:07] <oga> does anyone know if there is a usb 2.0 to firewire converter / adapter?
[02:07] <Moco> jonny 1, ./configure 2. make && make install
[02:07] <Cole> oga: not that i know of
[02:07] <optiz0r> evening. I'm very tired, and just wanted to watch a video before going to bed, but i cant seem to get mplayer installed. apt-get/synaptics cant find it. would anyone be able to give me a hand getting it installed?
[02:07] <oskude> jonnyakajemol, install what ?
[02:08] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: so if you want to run, let's say apt-get, you're going to need to run it as root. To run programs as root, you would enter "sudo apt-get".
[02:08] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: there are a number of options. read the docs for the server at: /usr/share/doc/icecast-server
[02:08] <purplefeltangel> jrsims, what does it mean if there is an archive that has been corrupted by downloading in ASCII mode? should i just download it again?
[02:08] <EddieDaMan> thanks
[02:08] <ThePyromaniac> [Question]  How do I rename the names of the added mounts?
[02:08] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: you can used a plugin for xmms... that will send the output from xmms to the server. The server, in turn, will handle the streaming.
[02:08] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: that's something I'm not sure about. :)
[02:08] <jonnyakajemol> limewire and wine
[02:08] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: I'm new to linux myself
[02:09] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, hmm, all mounts are defined in /etc/fstab
[02:09] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: check the README file there...
[02:09] <nytryx|Ibook> ok so now i have the rpm and im converting it then im going to install it
[02:09] <ThePyromaniac> oskude all i see is crazy /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(hdc2) heh
[02:09] <purplefeltangel> jrsims: ah...ok. thx for your help.
[02:09] <eternalist> nalioth, its not working, its giving me update errors
[02:09] <jonnyakajemol> liz4rd
[02:10] <nalioth> eternalist: what's not working?
[02:10] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, hmm, my breezy uses the /dev/hda scheme.... yours sounds wierd...
[02:10] <eternalist> nalioth, the wmp installation
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guys this ius realy dumb, but i still cant get that ext3 partition made and formatted
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> this is really frustrating and embarassing
[02:10] <ThePyromaniac> oskude well it does
[02:10] <ThePyromaniac> /dev/hdc2 /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(hdc2)
[02:10] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, is that a plugnplay thing ? (usn, firewire)
[02:11] <oskude> usn=usb
[02:11] <jonnyakajemol> how do i install limewire on ubuntu?
[02:11] <nalioth> eternalist: i dont run windows, and i dont run windows in wine. i dont play wmv or any other dreadful microsoft codec
[02:11] <shadeofgrey> all i wnt to do is create a single partition on my secondary harddisk so i can copy all my crap to it and redo this entire ubuntu installation
[02:11] <crimsun> jonnyakajemol: check the forum
[02:11] <jonnyakajemol> what forum?
[02:11] <ThePyromaniac> oskude yea the plug n play from http://ubuntulinux.com/files
[02:12] <ThePyromaniac> anyway i can rename it to "Windows HD" or "I hope to Destroy this OS Soon"? lol
[02:12] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jonnyakajemol about restricted
[02:12] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, plugnplay is a "black hole" for me, sry
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> somebody care to hold my hand through the whole procedure:?
[02:12] <ThePyromaniac> heh ok
[02:12] <ThePyromaniac> thanks though
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> ....please
[02:12] <jonnyakajemol> i have no idea how to install any programs with ubuntu
[02:12] <oskude> shadeofgrey, yes, ill try :)
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  okay.  lets start from the top
[02:12] <oskude> shadeofgrey, is your second HD at /dev/hdb ?
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> yes
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> and the disks management tool can SEE it - but it wont allow me to create partitions on it for some reason
[02:13] <oskude> shadeofgrey, then "sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb" and make a partition on it
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> odkude:  what kind?  primary or logical? and do i make it bootable?
[02:14] <JMfish05> does cfdisk preserve exiting partitions?
[02:14] <purplefeltangel> can someone tell me hwat to do if an archive is corrupted by being downloaded in ASCII mode?
[02:14] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: How did you download it?
[02:14] <oskude> shadeofgrey, if you just want to save "temporaly" files on it make primary (bootable is just an option for DOS/windows)
[02:15] <nalioth> JMfish05: use gparted
[02:15] <purplefeltangel> jestre wget
[02:15] <clint-> hi all
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> then i write partirtion table to disk correct?
[02:15] <oskude> shadeofgrey, you can make max 3 primary partitions and then only logical partitions
[02:15] <Jestre> From an ftp server?
[02:15] <oskude> shadeofgrey, yup
[02:15] <JMfish05> Thanks nalioth
[02:16] <vanguard> Yo.
[02:16] <oskude> shadeofgrey, and then do "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1" so that you can acces it
[02:16] <purplefeltangel> jestre, yes.
[02:16] <clint-> I am so happy that I am back with ubuntu, and the kde is easy as pie to install, debian 3.1 was a pain for video support right away like ubuntu put my screen up in what it should be, 1280x800, I wonder how I get mp3 , and dvd playback in no problem , and when I pu t a data cd in, with mpeg and mp3,, it runs slow :(
[02:17] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Try using an ftp client, and set binary mode before get'ting it
[02:17] <clint-> I am thankful to the ambition people though who help debian be so much better :)
[02:17] <vanguard> That reminds me how I *had* to install Windows XP because my family hated Ubuntu. This morning my sisters begged me to re-install Ubuntu.
[02:17] <purplefeltangel> jestre: i dont know how to do binary mode, or where to get an FTP client.
[02:17] <oskude> clint-, remind, there would be no ubuntu without debian...
[02:18] <clint-> yep I know :
[02:18] <clint-> :P
[02:18] <clint-> 3.1 sarge was a pain on my laptop though...
[02:18] <oskude> clint-, but i as debian lover, have to say ubuntu rocks :=
[02:18] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Open a terminal, and simply type ftp
[02:18] <clint-> yep
[02:18] <clint-> :)
[02:18] <Jestre> Then type 'open location'
[02:18] <clint-> hi os2mac
[02:18] <clint-> oskude, *
[02:18] <Jestre> To switch to binary mode, simply type it in: > binary
[02:18] <Jestre> or simply bin
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> okay now what
[02:19] <lsald> clint-, i have to agree, ubuntu is right where i wish debian current was
[02:19] <purplefeltangel> jestre, when do i type > binary?
[02:19] <jonnyakajemol> does anyone have the movie aknight's tale that they can send me?
[02:19] <Jestre> At the command prompt, after you've logged into the ftp site
[02:19] <clint-> can you help me with something.. how do I get be able to view and listen to music, and read my pdfs on my ntfs partitions.. I run multiple systems.. I don' tlimit myself , and work with cad, and other things
[02:19] <purplefeltangel> oh, ok
[02:19] <Jestre> And leave off the '>'
[02:19] <crimsun> jonnyakajemol: do -not- ask for warez in this channel.
[02:19] <clint-> lol yep lsald
[02:19] <jonnyakajemol> sorry
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  okay i can now see it in the disks window.  what do i make the access path
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> ?
[02:19] <purplefeltangel> jestre, how do i know when im logged into the ftp site?
[02:19] <clint-> same :)
[02:19] <Jestre> It'll usually tell you
[02:20] <tcmjr> Guys, were do I report a bug
[02:20] <tcmjr> ?
[02:20] <Jestre> a la "Welcome to x host, etc"
[02:20] <jonnyakajemol> does anyone know how to find the user liz4rd?
[02:20] <kode4u> does anybody could introduce me to a multi-language web mail(based php)?
[02:20] <tcmjr> I get this weird bug when I change the keyboar layout, all my themes changes.
[02:20] <crimsun> tcmjr: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com if it's a package in main, otherwise https://launchpad.net/malone
[02:20] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i think i'm doing something wrong
[02:20] <clint-> the thing is, it is very smart if someone wants to use kubuntu. to just install ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get the full benefits of both environments
[02:21] <oskude> shadeofgrey, now you have to mount it somewhere, make a dir "sudo mkdir /mnt/mybackup" and then "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mybackup" and if you want to copy files as normal user do "sudo chmod 777 /mnt/mybackups" (its a dirty solution, but works best for newbies)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hey all - where does one get the debs for the final openoffice.org2?  I think they were somewhere on the ubuntu site?
[02:21] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Where is the hangup?
[02:21] <purplefeltangel> jestre, what?
[02:21] <bimberi> !ooo2
[02:21] <ubotu> Test packages for OpenOffice.org 2 are available - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012520.html
[02:21] <Jestre> "I must be doing something wrong"
[02:21] <clint-> anyone know about what I can do, for optimizing the processes in ubuntu , kubuntu, that I really don't need
[02:22] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i dont know. it says unknown host.
[02:22] <oskude> clint-, google :) (scnr)
[02:22] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Which host?
[02:22] <clint-> and be able to browse my other partitions
[02:22] <clint-> lol
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !tell clint- about mount
[02:22] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i don't know.
[02:22] <lsald> is it rc-update that can remove startup services
[02:22] <pixelmonkey> I just upgraded to breezy and animated progress bars no longer occur.  Instead, I get a striped progress bar which isn't animated.  Is this on purpose?
[02:22] <clint-> thanks
[02:23] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Are you trying to download something?  Or where are you seeing that error?
[02:23] <bimberi> clint-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[02:23] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i *think* i'm trying to download something. i don't know.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> thanks bimberi
[02:23] <bimberi> Hobbsee: np :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> bimberi: knew there was a bot command, couldnt for the life of me remember what it was!
[02:24] <Jestre> um
[02:24] <lsald> nm, it's update-rc.d
[02:24] <EddieDaMan> how different is kubuntu next to ubuntu?
[02:25] <lsald> EddieDaMan, it is the same, just with KDE
[02:25] <EddieDaMan> ic
[02:25] <clint-> its in the KDE environment..
[02:25] <lsald> EddieDaMan, same goes for xubuntu
[02:25] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: Gnome vs KDE.
[02:25] <bimberi> Hobbsee: i uses something like "listvals openoffice" (in a /query ubotu window)
[02:25] <oskude> EddieDaMan, Ubuntu = linux distribution, kubuntu = a package under ubuntu
[02:25] <clint-> both are nice to be in
[02:25] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  okay...  now when all 122 thousand files copy overthere i can just blow away hda1 and do a fresh install of ubuntu right?  but once the fresh install is ready how do i get it to see the /mnt/filedump ?
[02:25] <DonL> lsald, did xubuntu become real? Last I heard it was just a rumour
[02:25] <bimberi> Hobbsee: There's some other tips at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[02:25] <Hobbsee> !xubuntu
[02:25] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[02:26] <clint-> EddieDaMan,
[02:26] <Hobbsee> bimberi: ah, useufl
[02:26] <lsald> Debian's popularity contest shows that more people prefer kde
[02:26] <lsald> I always thought gnome was the leader
[02:26] <clint-> yeah
[02:26] <nytryx|Ibook> how do i get aptget to just download the pkg?
[02:26] <clint-> however, people using KDE because of its clear appearance and being attractive
[02:27] <oskude> shadeofgrey, after reinstall (or what ever) your /dev/hdb1 will be there (if you dont overwrite it), and just mount it on the new system like you did right now
[02:27] <clint-> you should see the screenshots I got from debian, and in 1 of them, was a fav of mine, and it was in gnome.. imagine that :P
[02:27] <lsald> nytryx|Ibook, just sudo apt-get install PGKNAME
[02:27] <DonL> clint-, not to get into a flame war, but that's just what I like about Gnome. Oh well, to each his own
[02:27] <bimberi> nytryx|Ibook: apt-get -d install <package>
[02:27] <clint-> lol I like them both
[02:27] <nytryx|Ibook> ty
[02:27] <DonL> Actually so do I
[02:27] <clint-> I don't limit myself to systems. .I am working with FreeBSD 6.0 now.. PC BSD was very very fast
[02:28] <clint-> and installed in 12 minutes lol.. but keyboard tricky.. >_<
[02:28] <sethk> clint-, I also like netbsd
[02:28] <DonL> clint-, I tried PC BSD, but somehow failed the install
[02:28] <clint-> cool
[02:28] <clint-> ah
[02:28] <oskude> whats PC BSD ?
[02:28] <DonL> I have popcorn slax on a live disk that I like too
[02:28] <clint-> bummmer, but actually my feel on unix.. the support is more for linux, and thats where I kind of like because unix can be quite fustrating
[02:29] <Xaios> Can anyone point me to a site with a guid to installing a Crystal Audio card in ubuntu.. I did it a long long time ago in Debian Sarge with someones help, but I cant remember how to do it, Thanks!
[02:29] <nytryx|Ibook> ok it tells me that the dependicies are'nt met when i have the dependencies install already how do i get it to see this?
[02:29] <lsald> DonL, I just tried a slackware ppc port called slackintosh. I ended up coming back to ubuntu. It's spoiled me.
[02:29] <clint-> Ubuntu , I about jumped off my chair when it put my resolution in 1280x800 my max what my new lapto can do, I mean its not the fastest, but I got it for free from my College, Robert Morris,, Acer Aspire 3610,
[02:30] <marktt>  dpkg --force-all --install /media/cdrom/pool/main/g/gnome*/* gets me back a lot of gnome.
[02:30] <DonL> lsald, Yes, I tried the latest Mepis, and ended up back here as well. Ubuntu just rocks
[02:30] <ursine> anyone here know how to fix linux sound problems?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> !sound
[02:31] <ubotu> I guess sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:31] <clint-> Crystal Bright, and debian, I had to reconfigure x, and its alot to go through. the solution is simple.. you want support, less time consuming,, join the million others in ubuntu. lol
[02:31] <ursine> anyone know commands that can gather config settings for sound stuff?
[02:31] <lsald> DonL, ubuntu has the largest repository for ppc, well more so than any other distro i have tried in the past (debian excluded)
[02:31] <Xaios> Thanks Hobbsee
[02:31] <DonL> That's one smart bot
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Xaios: not a clue sorry, but have you tried google?
[02:31] <clint-> UrbanFox,
[02:31] <clint-> ursine,
[02:31] <clint-> ->   www.linuxcommand.org   www.linuxforum.com
[02:31] <eternalist> Anyone have any success setting up a radeon 9550 or 9600 with full 3d acceleration on here?
[02:31] <Xaios> Yeah Ive found a site that someone had a problem with mandrake and RH 9.. but no ubuntu
[02:31] <DonL> lsald, what Mac are you running?
[02:32] <Xaios> guess no one wants to run Ubuntu on an old Dell OptiPlex GXa
[02:32] <clint-> yep
[02:32] <vanguard> I'm running Ubuntu on an old Dell Dimension 4300.
[02:32] <oskude> well, the problem with sound (and gfx) cards is that the makers wont open their specs = hard for "linux" developers to integrate...
[02:32] <lsald> DonL, I have Breezy on my mac mini, and an older ibook g4 800 12"
[02:32] <ursine> linuxcommand is on shell scripting. I see no sound stuf
[02:32] <clint-> I have tried many linux systems and unix on this laptop, and my workstation, Ubuntu seems to have the best hard ware support,  and they have my  full fledge support as IT in RMC
[02:32] <DonL> lsald, are you dual-booting?
[02:32] <Xaios> man 300mhz but ubuntu still runs alright :)
[02:32] <paulproteus> clint-: "RMC"?
[02:33] <eternalist> Xaios, of course
[02:33] <eternalist> Xaios, give fluxbox a try, itll be lightening fast
[02:33] <eternalist> Xaios, forget gnome
[02:33] <lsald> DonL, as soon as they finish up with that broadcom airport project i'll be happy
[02:33] <oskude> clint-, its not that ubuntu has better support that others, they are just better "auto-configured"
[02:33] <clint-> robert morris college m8, in computer science, network specialist, it, just got in sept of 2005 this year
[02:33] <paulproteus> clint-: Cool. :)
[02:33] <clint-> IT* in future
[02:33] <pixelmonkey> anyone here know why my clearlooks theme doesn't use animated progress bars and such anymore in my upgrade from hoary -> breezy?
[02:33] <clint-> ty
[02:33] <lsald> DonL, I am dual booting on the ibook for wifi purposes
[02:33] <DonL> Ah. Ok
[02:33] <clint-> lsald,  don' tblame ya
[02:34] <paulproteus> lsald: I would if only I hadn't lost my OS X DVD.
[02:34] <oskude> pixelmonkey, even thou "apt-get upgrade" sound good, its not flawless...
[02:34] <clint-> vmware just isn't worth running ubuntu in, thats a slam on ubuntu.. :P
[02:34] <Xaios> eternalist, Actually I was looking to build a box just for ubuntu and other sandbox goodies care to take a look?
[02:34] <paulproteus> I hear the reverse engineering progress for the Airport Extreme is going well, though.
[02:34] <oskude> for mac users, have you tried yellowdog-linux ?
[02:35] <pixelmonkey> oskude, I agree.  Just wondering what the issue could be.
[02:35] <eternalist> Xaios, sure
[02:35] <ursine> does yellowdog even exist anymore?
[02:35] <clint-> oskude,  they would probably be best for using FreeBSD 6.0, or just to make it simple PC BSD what, freebsd in kde .. bsd in general what mac os x is built on
[02:35] <DonL> oskude, that's like Fedora, isn't it?
[02:35] <Xaios> Hold p let me put up the newegg shopping cart wishlist
[02:35] <lsald> paulproteus, ever since they released the specs it has been easier for the developers
[02:35] <All_Ex> hi new friends :]
[02:35] <paulproteus> lsald: Uh, you mean reverse engineered the specs from the MIPS driver.
[02:36] <jmhodges> anyoneknow how to get MathML to show up properly in Firefox?
[02:36] <eternalist> whats the command to see what irc client someone is running
[02:36] <paulproteus> lsald: I'm on both the reverse-engineer-some-specs-from-a-driver and write-a-driver-from-some-specs mailing lists. :)
[02:36] <paulproteus> eternalist: /ctcp version <username>
[02:36] <oskude> pixelmonkey, hmm, its like changing a ford engine to a mercedes auto, it may fit but... (dont aske me why apt-get upgrade doesnt work, it just doesnt :)
[02:36] <clint-> and I put Fedora Core 1 and Fedore Core 4 on my laptop lost it, I wanted to smoke some weed I was pissed at the touchpad wasn't working how expected
[02:36] <paulproteus> usually, anyway.
[02:36] <jmhodges> this is on breezy
[02:36] <Urthmover> wow freeNX is really fast
[02:36] <lsald> paulproteus, no, broadcom has released, officially, the chipset specs
[02:36] <paulproteus> lsald: Not that I've heard of....
[02:37] <Urthmover> usable fast
[02:37] <paulproteus> lsald: URL?
[02:37] <eternalist> i want to write a script that cycles thru everyone and looks for the string mirc just to see how many ppl are running windows but are on here lol
[02:37] <paulproteus> Urthmover: How did you install it?
[02:37] <eternalist> or wining mirc.
[02:37] <All_Ex> i wont ask to ask so here i just installer my first linux built "ubuntu" my friend helped me out  from here but now he told me i must install my kernel to get my ati radeon 9800 pro working cause in the installation it says the were some errors so how do i install the kernel? ;]
[02:37] <ursine> anyway, anyone know about sound stuff?
[02:37] <Urthmover> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[02:37] <Urthmover> just did that quick little guide
[02:37] <oskude> Urthmover, well, i boot my desktop only once a day (so that what is used by ubuntu suits me) (but for laptops i think this is an issue..)
[02:37] <bimberi> Urthmover: working for you now :)
[02:38] <Urthmover> and I've barely clocked 10 hours on linux
[02:38] <korhalf> ls
[02:38] <korhalf> woops wrong window lol
[02:38] <clint-> if people want to run more than 2 operating systems.. on 1 hard drive. your best bet is to use Acronis Disk Director Suite9, it has the great OS Selector and awesome for editing partitions, creating, resizing, especially for people tryin to have more than 2 on a laptop,
[02:38] <ursine> ?
[02:38] <Urthmover> I don't understand your point oskude
[02:38] <synackuator> has anyone gotten eclipse to work in breezy?
[02:38] <ursine> grub and the ubuntu installer seem to work fine
[02:38] <clint-> we all know the story on Partition Magic by Symantec. and probably users with paragon. they have not proven there stability to me
[02:38] <cge> Has anyone else had wnck use 100% cpu in dapper?
[02:38] <paulproteus> synackuator: Yeah, I just downloaded it from Sun and it works fine.
[02:39] <clint-> synackuator,  yep
[02:39] <paulproteus> s/Sun/eclipse.org/
[02:39] <crimsun> eclipse-platform in universe should work fine, too.
[02:39] <synackuator> i mean from apt-gte
[02:39] <synackuator> *apt-get
[02:39] <lsald> paulproteus, you're right, it was the raid drivers they released, my bad
[02:39] <nthwaver> All_Ex: how can you install the ubuntu OS without installing the linux kernel?  Doesn't make sense to me.
[02:39] <oskude> Urthmover, you about freeNX
[02:39] <korhalf> are there any emulators for linux?
[02:39] <Urthmover> odd nthwaver
[02:39] <lsald> paulproteus, so yeah, thanks to all of those reverse engineers
[02:39] <korhalf> like gameboy emulators or anything?
[02:39] <ursine> anyone familiar with linux sound troubles? I think ubuntu came with the driver, but I get no sound
[02:39] <DonL> Maybe it's the Linux source code he's after
[02:39] <Urthmover> well osk.....I have the ubuntu workstation at work
[02:40] <Urthmover> and I use a laptop
[02:40] <lsald> ursine, what chipset?
[02:40] <clint-> korhalf, , vmware, win4lin, what you need
[02:40] <Urthmover> from home
[02:40] <Urthmover> or whatever
[02:40] <ursine> soundmax
[02:40] <Urthmover> so freenx gives me better performance than vnc
[02:40] <Xenguy> Urthmover: yes it does
[02:40] <crimsun> Urthmover: yes?
[02:40] <crimsun> argh
[02:40] <crimsun> Urthmover: sorry
[02:40] <synackuator> has anyone not received their ubuntu CDs?
[02:40] <crimsun> ursine: yes?
[02:40] <clint-> you have to have required develpment files gcc etc.. c files .. headers and all and source to work with virtual emulators. is that wat you mean?
[02:40] <synackuator> because i haven't :(
[02:40] <Urthmover> I was struggling getting something to forward X11
[02:40] <Urthmover> couldn't get anything to work right
[02:40] <pocho> hi guys
[02:41] <DonL> I've had them on order forever, since the start of the last one, and haven't got mine
[02:41] <clint-> hi UrbanFox
[02:41] <clint-> grr. Urthmover
[02:41] <nthwaver> I ordered Badger maybe a week or two ago, and haven't gotten it yet
[02:41] <Urthmover> do you think that is more stable performance than even FreeNX?
[02:41] <crimsun> ursine: I need more details.
[02:41] <pocho> help plz
[02:41] <nthwaver> I'm not complaining - I didn't even pay them or anything
[02:41] <dabaR> ask
[02:41] <Xenguy> Urthmover: did you get freenx working then?
[02:41] <ursine> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:41] <_jason> synackuator, nthwaver mine took about 6 or 7 weeks to arrive
[02:41] <crimsun> nthwaver: a week or two?! People who ordered half a year ago are now getting theirs.
[02:41] <korhalf> clint-, no i mean like Gameboy emulators lol
[02:41] <DonL> nthwaver, exactly. Can't really complain, can you
[02:41] <korhalf> clint-, or arcade emulators
[02:41] <crimsun> nthwaver: so just be patient, k?
[02:41] <wickedpuppy> nthwaver, i ordered it 2 months ago ...
[02:41] <oskude> Urthmover, what i wanted to say is, freeNX is not standardly used by ubuntu, so if you add new direvrs/hardware ubuntu like, it propably wont be in freeNX (dunno, never used that) but the point is boot speed, and for my desktop i boot it once a day so boot time is like "who cares" but on laptops faster boot time IS an issues...
[02:42] <pocho> i need help  for install gxiso?
[02:42] <synackuator> _jason, sheesh, i'm going on like 3 months now
[02:42] <nthwaver> Finally giving up and downloading the ISO
[02:42] <clint-> oh yeah, you can do that. but I hanvn't done that yet
[02:42] <crimsun> ursine: paste the output from ''amixer'' onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> if you are having trouble with X forwarding
[02:42] <clint-> linux just takes ambition people and patience. and its worth it , in the long run
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> nx is not likely to make it simpler
[02:42] <DonL> That's what I did, but I'd like to give them out to friends, and the professionally done ones are nice
[02:42] <_jason> synackuator, if you pay the shipping i'll send you one of mine lol
[02:43] <nthwaver> I'm patient.  Someone else asked about it.
[02:43] <lsald> ursine, is that part of collection that intel has released linux binary drivers for?
[02:43] <guardian_> anyone know how to fix broken /dev/* permissions in breezy?
[02:43] <clint-> I've bounce from so many different distributions, to solid base 1's to even unix systems, and live cd's just to see what I would be happy with
[02:43] <clint-> the funny thing is, always seems to be something in all that I really like that 1 hasn't got, and something in 1 that I don't like, but has other values
[02:43] <synackuator> _jason, mostly i need them to hand to people, about 20 to be precise
[02:43] <Xaios> Hrm cant get newegg to show my wishlist...
[02:43] <Urthmover> well oskude we must not be communicating well...How does FreeNX make a difference with boot speed?
[02:43] <pocho> somenoe  has downloaded xbox games?
[02:43] <rixth> I have the totem plugin installed for Moziulla. How di I remove it?
[02:43] <crimsun> lsald: they're supported by ALSA natively.
[02:43] <rixth> do
[02:44] <mily> eyy, como c pone arroba??
[02:44] <mily> en el ubuntu
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: if it has to start on boot
[02:44] <Xaios> pocho, I dont think this is the right channel for that...
[02:44] <harris> has anyone here installed snex9x ?
[02:44] <clint-> now with the support of having usb flash drives to be able to boot systems from. people are going to just luv the way technology has come :)
[02:44] <rixth> !ubuntu-es
[02:44] <ubotu> rixth: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:44] <rixth> !es
[02:44] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:44] <oskude> Urthmover, dunno, i have just heard that it makes booting faster...
[02:44] <clint-> harris,  you can get it for lin
[02:44] <Urthmover> does it really take THAT much extra though HrdwrBoB?
[02:44] <lsald> crimsun, so what could ursines problem be
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't
[02:44] <DonL> harris, I have wonderful luck with Zsnes
[02:44] <clint-> thats for windows
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> however it's a hideous hack
[02:44] <ursine> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4816
[02:45] <harris> did you get zsnes from the synatic package manager> donl?
[02:45] <sethk> HrdwrBoB, do you know any beatiful hacks?
[02:45] <ursine> I don't know where the drivers came from. they were with ubuntu
[02:45] <clint-> lol
[02:45] <DonL> harris, yes, I believe so
[02:45] <sethk> beautiful
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> sethk: yes there's a few
[02:45] <Urthmover> so back to my latest question.....what would be better FreeNX or X11forwarding to a local Xserver?
[02:45] <clint-> :]
[02:45] <harris> once I download the package where do I find it on my comp?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: step 1: ssh -X server
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> step 2: run X program
[02:45] <crimsun> Urthmover: mute 'Line Jack Sense'
[02:45] <harris> cause I downloaded and installed snes9x but don't know how to find it
[02:45] <crimsun> gar
[02:45] <crimsun> Urthmover: sorry again
[02:46] <crimsun> ursine: mute 'Line Jack Sense'
[02:46] <purplefeltangel> foap no ippimnagr poskavitep korro?
[02:46] <lsald> harris, did you install with apt?
[02:46] <DonL> harris, in a terminal, type zsnes
[02:46] <harris> i did so through synapatic
[02:46] <Urthmover> hmm
[02:46] <DonL> ...or whatever
[02:46] <harris> ah, so you have to use the terminal
[02:46] <Urthmover> I'll try HrdwrBoB
[02:46] <purplefeltangel> porros iepuno fas lokopan?
[02:46] <oskude> Urthmover, OMG, i was on a wrong track again... some how though about initNX (or what ever thats called)
[02:46] <nthwaver> how do you add shortcuts to the GUI panel?
[02:46] <DonL> harris, you may have to manually add it to a menu
[02:46] <oskude> no beer for oskude anymore :)
[02:46] <clint-> what would people do if there was no irc... LOL
[02:46] <purplefeltangel> korro poskavitep iepuno naskam fi saddi?
[02:46] <Octane> anyone know what package, if any, i need in order to have k3b be able to burn audio cd's?
[02:47] <ursine> excellent
[02:47] <APACHE^_^> hola de todos los que estan aqui nuevos que acaban de entrar alguien me puede decir como montar mi memoria USB
[02:47] <harris> how would you go about doing that.... ?
[02:47] <_jason> !es
[02:47] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:47] <crimsun> APACHE^_^: ingles solamente
[02:47] <kfault> Hi, I wanted to know if its possible to run UML in Ubuntu with a 2.6.12 kernel?
[02:47] <ioboss> hi, somebody can tell me what means (realplay.bin:13373): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[02:47] <harris> any help would be much appreciated
[02:47] <crimsun> kfault: sure
[02:47] <purplefeltangel> korro poskavitep iepuno?
[02:47] <APACHE^_^> I have problem with my memory flash USB, I can't mount
[02:48] <kfault> sorry, Im new, what patch do I use?
[02:48] <nthwaver> without IRC we'd probably just bother our techie friends more
[02:48] <ursine> thanks crimsun. sound seems to work fine now
[02:48] <ioboss> :(
[02:48] <crimsun> kfault: you don't need to download any patches.
[02:48] <Urthmover> HrdwrBoB: I get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting
[02:48] <crimsun> ursine: excellent.
[02:48] <oskude> ioboss, hmm, locale has somehthing to do with your language...
[02:48] <Urthmover> suggestions?
[02:48] <nthwaver> y'know, the ones who suggested we switch to linux.  they asked for it.
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: .. wtf
[02:48] <clint-> on the partition post.. I just need something simple so I can read my pdfs, and listen to my music on this ntfs partition I created on my notebook that has my data on it. thats all.. nothing complicated.. :)
[02:48] <ursine> do I need to do something to save the settings so they will be there on next boot?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> you don't START X
[02:48] <kfault> crimsun: So what do I need to do?
[02:48] <nthwaver> j/k
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> you run X programs
[02:48] <DonL> Octane, check out the Ubuntu wiki restricted
[02:48] <purplefeltangel> nana poskavitep iepuno??
[02:48] <All_Ex> theres too mutch action in here to ask a question :P
[02:48] <purplefeltangel> na?
[02:48] <ioboss> oskude, ah.. thankx...  what i can do?
[02:48] <oskude> clint-, NTFS is a partition from MS, ask them ;)
[02:48] <APACHE^_^>  I have problem with my memory flash USB, I can't mount, I not speak English
[02:48] <Urthmover> that's when I putty from this home lapp to my office
[02:48] <clint-> yep I agree
[02:49] <Octane> DonL: which wiki please?
[02:49] <DonL> Octane, just a sec
[02:49] <clint-> lmao oskude , I know there is something i have to do with volume management lol I will just read my books lol
[02:49] <oskude> ioboss, dunno, sry (locale should e installed in "standard" ubuntu)
[02:49] <kfault> crimsun: The howto in the UML website said I needed to download the latest UML patch and the matching kernel
[02:49] <clint-> then when you have a question.. I will answer it. with a smile :)
[02:49] <kfault> isnt it right?
[02:49] <_jason> APACHE^_^, go to $ubuntu-es spanish there, type: /join #ubuntu-es
[02:49] <Urthmover> well is there a way to get the desktop other than vnc or freenx?
[02:49] <clint-> netop
[02:49] <clint-> of course there is :)
[02:49] <Octane> DonL: i got it, its k3b-mp3
[02:49] <crimsun> kfault: just install uml-utilities, download an image, and have at it.
[02:50] <harris> ok i got zsnes to run, do you need roms for it?
[02:50] <crimsun> kfault: we already support uml
[02:50] <marcelo_> ola alguem do br
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: you want the desktop that it's currently using?
[02:50] <harris> or does it come with them>
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> NX can't do that
[02:50] <clint-> -->   http://www.netop.com
[02:50] <kreatine> i'm looking to set up a file/printer server using ubuntu what are the minimum requirements i have a machine in the closet p2 266 would it do the job?
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> only VNC can, through vino
[02:50] <_jason> !br
[02:50] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> kreatine: that will do it
[02:50] <clint-> Urthmover,
[02:50] <ioboss> oskude, ok, tnx, i try apt-get install locale
[02:50] <oskude> clint-, the thing is NTFS is a FS type from MS that they won share, but there are some reverseengineering frivers for it, so PLEASE do complain on bill about that :)
[02:50] <Urthmover> ok what is I don't care and I want a different desktop?
[02:50] <DonL> Octane, good. okay
[02:50] <oskude> *won = wont
[02:50] <Octane> DonL: thanks man
[02:50] <DonL> no problem
[02:50] <clint-> lol
[02:50] <Urthmover> is=if
[02:51] <clint-> I reverse engineer things myself.. its no problem :)
[02:51] <oskude> clint-, yeah, sounds lol, but thats how it is
[02:51] <clint-> Winternals Admin pak 5, Ultimate boot cd, its all good..  :-)
[02:51] <Urthmover> HrdwrBoB: what is the best way to connect to the desktop of my office ubuntu workstation?
[02:51] <Red-Sox> when I try to open firefox, some account thing comes up and when I try to open default, it says its in use and when i creat a new account, none of my bookmarks are there
[02:51] <clint-> erasing hard drives is my fav thing to do, even remote recover a system . :-)
[02:52] <Urthmover> vnc is chuggy.....unless you have some special tweaks that pep it up
[02:52] <kfault> crimsun: Well, what package do I need to install or what do I need to do to to run it?
[02:52] <kreatine> HrdwrBoB which version should i download? latest?
[02:52] <coz> Hello,
[02:52] <kreatine> which one do you like best?
[02:52] <crimsun> kfault: I just told you.
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> kreatine: yes
[02:52] <Xaios> Is there a program that I can use to manage devices such as a sound card?
[02:52] <coz>  I have a shrotcut ciy to opne the cd tray bu is there a way to assign one to close the tray? o maybe
[02:52] <_jason> Red-Sox, firefox may already be open.. .try in a terminal: killall firefox-bin
[02:52] <coz> autoclose after about 6 xeconds
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> kreatine: the desktop won't work well
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> but as a server it will be fine
[02:52] <crimsun> Xaios: manage in what way? There's a default sound card selector in System> Preferences> Sound
[02:52] <kfault> crimsun: Oh, im sorry I didnt see that
[02:52] <DonL> Red-Sox, do you have another copy of firefox running somewhere else? You might try logging out and back int
[02:52] <DonL> in
[02:52] <clint-> well I will just steal xandros's  file system ideas :)
[02:53] <kfault> crimsun: Thanks a lot
[02:53] <crimsun> kfault: np
[02:53] <Xaios> crimsun: I need to install the driver for my sound card, I know which card is is and I know its in the  alsa package, but no idea how to do it
[02:53] <clint-> I don't have to ask bill osk, because want to see how I see it,
[02:53] <clint-> " In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"
[02:54] <ioboss> oskude, can u see http://www.phpfi.com/87929?
[02:54] <ioboss> oskude, can u see http://www.phpfi.com/87929 ?
[02:54] <Xaios> crimsun: basically I need to install the sound card, since ubuntu cant seem to auto detect it :-\
[02:54] <crimsun> Xaios: what card?
[02:54] <APACHE^_^> I Like it is channel
[02:55] <Urthmover> HrdwrBoB: ok so I guess freeNX is the best graphical remote app for linux
[02:55] <Urthmover> right?
[02:55] <Xaios> Its a Crystal Chipset
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: sort of
[02:55] <Xaios> I remember that much from the last time I tried Debian
[02:55] <oskude> ioboss, i get an not found error
[02:55] <crimsun> Xaios: snd-cs$foo, then.
[02:55] <Urthmover> or can VNC be tweaked enough to operate quicker
[02:55] <Red-Sox> DonL, how do you get to the accounts, because I already created a new one
[02:55] <APACHE^_^> I not speak Englis, learning with us
[02:55] <APACHE^_^> jajajajaja
[02:55] <harris> thanks for the help donl
[02:55] <crimsun> Xaios: which computer, a laptop?
[02:55] <harris> peace
[02:55] <Urthmover> I've done all the normal stuff.....no background.....loq colors.....still chuggy
[02:55] <Xaios> crimsun: Dell OptiPlex GXa
[02:56] <sethk> Urthmover, if you want to have a remote desktop for linux, you use X with XDMCP, and that's all you need
[02:56] <oskude> !paste-bin
[02:56] <ubotu> No idea, oskude
[02:56] <DonL> Red-Sox, I had that problem a while ago. Don't remember what I did, but I managed to get everything back somehow
[02:56] <oskude> how was that bin thing called ?
[02:56] <ioboss> oskude, sorry at the end there's Pango-error.. but what i can do?
[02:56] <_jason> Red-Sox, in a terminal: firefox -profilemanager  (you might need a dash in between profile and manager)
[02:56] <clint-> Urthmover,
[02:56] <Red-Sox> okay
[02:56] <crimsun> Xaios: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236