[09:08] <NotSure> anybody with me on this except for uga?
[09:09] <NotSure> flashing programs from other workspaces show up on workspaces they are not supposed to show up on
[09:09] <uga> why except for uga =)
[09:09] <gecko__> what is the command to change the channel
[09:09] <gecko__> ?
[09:09] <NotSure> uga you are good, but others may want to help out too
[09:09] <uga> NotSure: if they are not supposed to show up, why do you enable the taskbar to shot them ;))
[09:09] <uga> s/shot/show
[09:09] <uga> I'd rather not see tasks
[09:09] <uga> actually my second desktop doesn't show first desktop tasks
[09:10] <NotSure> uga, so how do i do?
[09:10] <Parkerw207> can someone please help with my wifi problem ? no one is answering :(
[09:10] <gecko__> uga: what is the command to change the channel?
[09:10] <NotSure> uga, i mean what?
[09:10] <uga> NotSure: I hope that's optional in gnome?
[09:10] <uga> gecko__: /join #channel
[09:10] <uga> gecko__: for switching, depends on what you use
[09:10] <NotSure> uga, see here is the problem, it is like in those companies where they tell you to go to another department if they don't want to bother with you
[09:10] <NotSure> gnome is gnome, I understand
[09:11] <NotSure> but KDE is what make this thing work that way
[09:11] <uga> NotSure: no, not that
[09:11] <uga> NotSure: I'm completely sure gnome shows all those tasks from other desktops without installing kde
[09:11] <uga> and kde cannot alter how gnome works. or shouldn't
[09:11] <NotSure> no, it works fine w/o KDE
[09:11] <martinus> Parkerw207: Hm, weird, which version of kubuntu are you running?
[09:11] <luca_> hi everyone
[09:11] <Parkerw207> 6.06.1 lts
[09:12] <uga> NotSure: would you be able to figure out what option changed when kde was installed?
[09:12] <emilsedgh> Parkerw207: whats your problem?
[09:12] <NotSure> i have no clue
[09:12] <Parkerw207> ok my probelm is
[09:12] <uga> NotSure: ie, I can't tell what kde can do to break gnome's behavior
[09:12] <emilsedgh> oh sorry others are doing
[09:12] <luca_> does someone know where the knetworkmanager configuration files are stored?
[09:12] <Parkerw207> when i try to configure my wifi
[09:12] <Parkerw207> i can see the wifi networks
[09:12] <NotSure> i mean, there are reports on this, i am not crazy
[09:12] <Parkerw207> but cant connect to any , even unsecured ones
[09:12] <uga> NotSure: you could ask in #kde-devel. People like the kwin maintainer might kjnow
[09:12] <NotSure> krusader is especially guilty of it
[09:12] <uga> NotSure: ossi, iirc
[09:12] <NotSure> ?
[09:13] <NotSure> ossi, iirc?
[09:13] <NotSure> uga, where should i go?
[09:13] <uga> NotSure: iirc == if I remember correctly
[09:13] <uga> ossi is the nick ;)
[09:13] <NotSure> ossi?
[09:13] <NotSure> channel?
[09:13] <uga> #kde-devel
[09:13] <NotSure> ok
[09:13] <uga> others might know too, but iirc he's the kwin maintainer
[09:13] <uga> if he doesn't know, nobody will =)
[09:13] <Parkerw207> anyone?
[09:14] <uga> NotSure: but... maybe the metacity maintainer can tell too
[09:14] <martinus> Parkerw207: do you get any error msg?
[09:14] <Parkerw207> ermm , nope just says "connection failes"
[09:14] <uga> NotSure: you'll be more welcome there with this question ;)
[09:14] <Parkerw207> failed"
[09:15] <Parkerw207> i was using the wifi GUI tool
[09:15] <martinus> Parkerw207: try to reinstall knetworkmanager
[09:15] <martinus> in adept
[09:15] <Parkerw207> can i do that without being connected to the net ?
[09:15] <martinus> can you use a cable?
[09:16] <Parkerw207> yes i suppose , is it a bug then ?
[09:17] <martinus> maybe, it's worth a try at least - versions changes fast
[09:17] <ari_> hi. i'm having a little problem. i have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed on my pc and when i boot on ubuntu, i easily get to see the things i have on my kubuntu partition but when i boot on kubuntu, i can't access the files on the other disk. could anyone help me figure this out please?
[09:18] <luca_> hi everyone
[09:18] <luca_> I cannot use knetworkmanager anymore
[09:21] <d0zer> i've tried to install the nvidia-glx package but X still doesnt work drivers.. can someone please help me ?
[09:22] <uga> d0zer: you can try uninstalling nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-* and install the nvidia binary drivers provided in nvidia.com
[09:22] <uga> worked fine here and for others
[09:22] <d0zer> ok im trying
[09:23] <Dr_willis> what video card are ya using d0zer ?
[09:24] <d0zer> Dr_willis: 7800 gtx
[09:24] <Dr_willis> heh.
[09:24] <d0zer> sup?
[09:24] <uga> Dr_willis: why so, doesn't it work? 8500 here
[09:24] <Dr_willis> well thers some issues i hear with the 8800 and the  nvidia drivers in the repos
[09:25] <Dr_willis> they do work fine in gutsy with the newer packages. :)
[09:25] <uga> gutsy didn't work here at all
[09:25] <Dr_willis> or course I am now Gutsy on all box's so cant give much advice on the 8800 and feisty
[09:25] <uga> maybe after some upgrade, but I don't dare anymore
[09:25] <uga> lrm is banned on this box
[09:25] <Dr_willis> I had issues a few weeks ago. - the beta is working fine so far.. quite a few updates every day however.
[09:26] <d0zer> uga: can you point me to the binary drivers? i can only find the normal drivers on nvidia.com
[09:26] <uga> d0zer: the drivers are all binary
[09:27] <uga> d0zer: what are you using. kubuntu 32bit or 64bit?
[09:27] <d0zer> okay tried them already.. just not with the restricted modules uninstalled
[09:27] <d0zer> 32bit
[09:27] <uga> oh, so you installed them
[09:28] <d0zer> i've tried it yes.. but it doesnt work
[09:28] <uga> d0zer: if you install the nvidia drivers and not uninstall restricted modules, when you reboot the restricted modules are used
[09:28] <d0zer> it compiled the kernel module alright
[09:28] <uga> did you test restarting the desktop (/etc/initd.d/kdm restart) after installing the nvidia binary?
[09:28] <d0zer> exactly.. it worked until reboot
[09:28] <uga> it should load the nvidia one
[09:28] <uga> d0zer: okay then. You just need to uninstall the restricted modules
[09:28] <uga> and should work fine
[09:28] <d0zer> yep.. it freezes when i set driver to "nvidia"
[09:29] <d0zer> ill try it thx..
[09:29] <uga> d0zer: you aren't using any other restricted module, right?
[09:29] <uga> not sure what else the linux-restricted modules provide...
[09:29] <d0zer> i dont think so.. its a fresh install of kubuntu
[09:29] <uga> okay, so remove everything, reboot and have fun
[09:30] <uga> oh
[09:30] <uga> d0zer: you might have to reinstall the nvidia installer
[09:30] <d0zer> ill do that
[09:30] <uga> uninstalling the kubuntu packs may uninstall parts that the nvidia installer had overwritten
[09:31] <NotSure> i believe now that basically my problem is not a bug, but I want to disable this feature, i.e. so that flashing windows don't just show up in other workspaces
[09:32] <uga> NotSure: you spoke to ossi?
[09:33] <uga> or know why it only happens after installing kde?
[09:33] <NotSure> ossi is not there
[09:34] <NotSure> maybe i am wrong but IF this thing is a feature it is extremely annoying
[09:34] <NotSure> krusader is program i use all the time
[09:34] <NotSure> and its titlebar flashes all the time
[09:34] <NotSure> and i don't want it showing up in other workspaces
[09:34] <NotSure> or desks, because it drives me crazy
[09:35] <NotSure> so i want to disable this feature
[09:35] <NotSure> not from krusader
[09:35] <NotSure> but from the X environment, because other applications are guilty of it too
[09:35] <hellhound_> how do you edit the kernel config?
[09:38] <jhutchins> hellhound_: First you READ about kernel builds, then you follow the instructions.
[09:38] <jhutchins> hellhound_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:40] <quixogre> !beryl
[09:40] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:40] <NotSure> ok, folks, when a window titlebar flashes, the window will show up in all workspaces, how can i disable this thing?
[09:40] <jhutchins> NotSure: Are you running KDE or Beryl?
[09:41] <NotSure> KDE
[09:41] <uga> jhutchins: good questoin =)
[09:41] <uga> as I run both ;)
[09:41] <NotSure> i use krusader all the time and it 'flashes' all the time (the titlebar is flashing). when i switch workspace, it shows up there too
[09:42] <ismakun> Hello
[09:42] <quixogre> okay. asking in here, because noones responding to ANYTHING in #ubuntu-effects: when i run beryl, i get a plain white screen, with mouse ability. however, mouse cant left or right click, and no icons show up. anyone familiar with this problem?
[09:43] <uga> I believe the blinking thing was optional...
[09:43] <NotSure> uga, yeah, but how to disable is my question...
[09:43] <mhb> hi, is it possible to do some funky stuff with "apt-get" upgrades? Like "upgrade everything that depends on kubuntu-desktop, but nothing else"?
[09:43] <adminn> ok now what should I do to get my screensavers xgl workin?
[09:43] <uga> NotSure: I'm looking for it
[09:43] <adminn> < is looking for advice
[09:43] <NotSure> uga, ok, i will be here, stay in touch
[09:44] <quixogre> mhb which windows manager you using?
[09:45] <swiff> how do I clear out the cache for the video card driver to redue?
[09:45] <mhb> quixogre: I use KDE 3 mostly, why?
[09:45] <MidMark> hi someone can check if in Adept for Feisty is present the option "Pre-released updates" as written in this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[09:45] <quixogre> mhb try using adept-manager...it will let you set which apps to update i believe
[09:46] <xenol> is it possible to have ubuntu-desktop installed too?
[09:46] <quixogre> xenol. yes. sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <uga> NotSure: wow, this is gonna buy me two phone numbers of your sisters =)
[09:46] <uga> hard one to find =)
[09:47] <us3r_NA> hi
[09:47] <uga> NotSure: run kcontrol
[09:47] <NotSure> ok uga, ok ... this is hot
[09:47] <uga> NotSure: sound & multimedia
[09:48] <xenol> quixogre:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39183/
[09:48] <uga> (yeah, I know, it's not sound but it's there =))
[09:48] <uga> NotSure: system notifications
[09:48] <NotSure> ok
[09:48] <NotSure> done
[09:48] <pierre__> i accidently removed "qt-language-selector" from my system, and i try to apt-get it back but it isnt in the repositories.. what should i do?
[09:48] <NotSure> wow, cool :>
[09:48] <uga> NotSure: On teh top, select event source: the kde window manager
[09:48] <uga> event: there are two you'll be interested in
[09:49] <NotSure> done
[09:49] <NotSure> then what?
[09:49] <swiff> so guys how do I clear out the vid driver cache to reinstall it?
[09:49] <uga> "A window  on an _inactive_ virtual desktop demands attention"
[09:49] <xenol> why i cant install ubuntu-desktop package? i get this in terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39183/
[09:49] <uga> NotSure: ^^ that's the one you need
[09:49] <LjL> pierre__: it's called language-selector-qt
[09:49] <uga> NotSure: select that one. it will affect to other desktops only (not current one)
[09:49] <uga> NotSure: select "Advanced>>" on bottom
[09:49] <us3r_NA> i've been having this problem with any debian based distros: when booting (live or install) into X all i see is a black screen that slowly burns white from around the edges.  running hp pav. tx 1120us
[09:50] <uga> NotSure: and uncheck "mark taskbar entry"
[09:50] <pierre__> LjL: wow thanks... how come i have to install that pesky adept updater in order to install it though?
[09:50] <NotSure> wait, i lost you
[09:50] <us3r_NA> i think this is a result of the like weird tablet type thing i've got goin on
[09:50] <NotSure> you said ^^ that is the one you need
[09:50] <NotSure> which one is that ?
[09:50] <quixogre> xenol. im running both gnome and kde(not at same time) but i installed gnome(ubuntu) first
[09:50] <uga> NotSure: check the previous line
[09:50] <uga> I didn't put your nick
[09:51] <uga> NotSure: [21:49]  <uga> "A window  on an _inactive_ virtual desktop demands attention"
[09:51] <uga> that's the event you need to select
[09:51] <Doctor_Nick> how do i restart the sound system?
[09:51] <LjL> pierre__, i have no idea
[09:51] <NotSure> ok
[09:52] <swiff> how to fix a messed up video card driver install?
[09:52] <NotSure> then hit advanced
[09:52] <LjL> pierre__, it does depend on adept, which i suppose in turn depends on the updater.
[09:52] <LjL> what's wrong with the updater?
[09:52] <uga> NotSure: hit advanced, and uncheck "mark taskbar entry"
[09:52] <swiff> please help me guys before I have to go out<<<<<<<<<
[09:52] <uga> NotSure: you're done
[09:52] <NotSure> then what?
[09:52] <NotSure> oh! i see, sorry
[09:52] <pierre__> LjL: one time it broke my system so i dont want to use it again
[09:52] <NotSure> mark taskbar entry
[09:52] <uga> swiff: you'll have to give us a better description on what "messed up" means
[09:53] <uga> and what your gfx card is
[09:53] <LjL> pierre__: well i don't think i've ever used it (though i doubt it was the updater that broke your systerm, but anyway...)
[09:53] <LjL> pierre__, just don't click on the icon and you'll be fine. you aren't *forced* to use it :)
[09:53] <quixogre> okay. asking in here, because noones responding to ANYTHING in #ubuntu-effects: when i run beryl, i get a plain white screen, with mouse ability. however, mouse cant left or right click, and no icons show up. anyone familiar with this problem?
[09:53] <LjL> it just reminds you of updates. you can use apt-get fine to 'get* them
[09:53] <uga> NotSure: that will do for kde. No idea fro gnome
[09:53] <swiff> radeon saphire x800 gto ... and the problem is I did the code to install it but my lattice screensaver isnt working
[09:53] <NotSure> but what do i do now?
[09:53] <uga> NotSure: nothing.  - In kontact, I can add information about other people, but where can I add information about myself?
[09:54] <swiff> uga:.
[09:54] <NotSure> OK!!! DONE!! IT WORKS, UGA HURAA!
[09:55] <uga> swiff: uhm... somebody else must know about ati drivers. always had nvidia here
[09:55] <uga> !ati
[09:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <xenol> quixogre:  if u using gnome u have choice to open kde programs too right?
[09:56] <quixogre> xenol. some.
[09:56] <uga> swiff: I know the restricted modules don't work for me in here and I had to install nvidia.com drivers but I can't tell about ATI, sorry
[09:56] <NotSure> i lied, i run gnome, i am as-hole that way, i am sorry, but gnome folks don't want to help once they hear 'krusader' or 'kde'. They are like in AT&T, if you got to wrong department, then sorry, we can't help you.
[09:56] <uga> swiff: using the non-restriced ones doesnt' work for your radeon?
[09:56] <quixogre> NotSure: hehe if it works....
[09:57] <uga> NotSure: as I told you, those settings should NOT address the gnome issue
[09:57] <NotSure> quixogre, it does
[09:57] <uga> NotSure: and I kenw you were running gnome
[09:57] <NotSure> yes they do!
[09:57] <uga> so don't act like a jerk
[09:57] <swiff> uga: nope
[09:57] <NotSure> because i told you, kde is messing up gnome!
[09:57] <uga> somebody please kickban NotSure
[09:57] <uga> for providing wrong info
[09:58] <BluesKaj> we're not worried about ati uga.. quixogre's card is nvidia , so I'm outta my league there since I use an ati and no eye candy ...but when I tried beryl I got the same white scrn
[09:58] <uga> misleading one and I was digging bugs
[09:58] <quixogre> lol @ uga
[09:58] <uga> quixogre: not joking
[09:58] <uga> he's made me waste lots of time trying to figure out what's in common between gnome and kde
[09:59] <uga> for once he's on my ignore list
[09:59] <quixogre> uga, you fixed his problem... should be proud of yourself.
[09:59] <uga> quixogre: no, I hate arses
[09:59] <uga> I never refused helping him out even if he were running gnome
[09:59] <BluesKaj> he can run both kde or gnome and can use the apps in either desktop
[09:59] <uga> quixogre: but he provided misleading info. And that deserves punishing
[09:59] <swiff> how to remove restricted_manager and keep my old xorg.conf?
[09:59] <alejandro> why we dont have firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:59] <alejandro> ?
[10:00] <quixogre> uga, if he wants to run gnome instead of KDE we should help him...but speak slower you know how those gnome folks are
[10:00] <groke> i
[10:00] <uga> quixogre: running gnome is fine. BUT providing us with info like "installing kde desktop broke gnome" for helpign him out, isn't
[10:00] <BluesKaj> alejandro, i guess FF 2007 isn't ready for linux yet
[10:00] <uga> quixogre: he just told us so so, and mislead me
[10:01] <NickPresta> alejandro, because <IP_ADDRESS> fixes a Windows related problem caused due to Quicktime. I assume we don't need <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <swiff> what about me I want to uninstall restricted manager for ati??????
[10:01] <uga> quixogre: what if he filed the same bugreport fro kubuntu?
[10:01] <quixogre> uga, i quit trying to help him when he insisted his problem was a bug, and NOT a feature...hehe i LIKE being able to switch apps without changing desktops first
[10:01] <alejandro> thanks BluesKaj
[10:01] <DropKickMurpheys> Meh, How do i install java on an AMD64 using the 7.04 Feisty 64bit edition
[10:01] <NickPresta> alejandro, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:02] <quixogre> uga, they'd laugh at him. he's complaining about a feature(one he doesnt like) they'd tell him it wasnt a bug, and move on
[10:02] <uga> NotSure: you're not welcome
[10:02] <DropKickMurpheys> I rarely use Ubuntu, but i finnaly got tired of MS B.S.
[10:02] <xenol_> quixogre:  plz when u install gnome do u have options to choose KDe software in gnome>
[10:02] <NotSure> uga, sorry
[10:02] <NotSure> i really apologize
[10:02] <NotSure> my bug reports were not lie
[10:02] <swiff> how should I get rid of (restricted_Manager) ATI?
[10:02] <NotSure> but i got tired of lies from other folks
[10:02] <quixogre> xenol. when i run gnome, it shows some of my kde apps, not all of them.
[10:03] <NotSure> you were the only one who actually helped
[10:03] <NotSure> all others would bs me about kde vs gnome
[10:03] <xenol_> quixogre:  can u disable that?
[10:03] <NotSure> just like AT&T people do
[10:03] <NotSure> or Verizon
[10:03] <NotSure> they are all like that
[10:03] <NotSure> uga, i really appreciate your help
[10:03] <quixogre> xenol_:  disable what? kde functions in gnome?
[10:03] <xenol_> quixogre:  y
[10:03] <NotSure> but it was a necessary prevarication
[10:03] <quixogre> NotSure: think ugas got you on ignore.
[10:04] <swiff> anyone know how to uninstall restrictedmanager the ATI thing?????
[10:04] <NotSure> so that you would be willing to help me
[10:04] <ScorpKing> hi guys. can someone explain to me what the defference is between kdevelop and qt-developer. is it just another frontend? will qt tutorials work in kdevelop? i'm learning c++ and it's just a little confusing at the moment.
[10:04] <NickPresta> swiff, `sudo apt-get remove restricted-manager` ?
[10:04] <NotSure> quixogre, i really don't want to sound like a bad guy
[10:04] <swiff> ty Nick :D
[10:04] <DropKickMurpheys> Can anyone help me install Java client on an AMD64 machine running unbuntu 7.04 feisy Fawn 64-bit edition please?
[10:04] <emilsedgh> ScorpKing: QT is just QT, KDE is KDE + QT :)
[10:05] <ScorpKing> ah, i see. thanks emilsedgh
[10:05] <DropKickMurpheys> and flash
[10:05] <quixogre> DropKickMurpheys: try sudo apt-get install java?
[10:05] <DropKickMurpheys> no, i'll try that
[10:06] <xenol_> !java | DropKickMurpheys
[10:06] <ubotu> DropKickMurpheys: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:06] <DropKickMurpheys> k
[10:06] <DropKickMurpheys> what about flash?
[10:07] <xenol_> !flash | DropKickMurpheys
[10:07] <ubotu> DropKickMurpheys: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:07] <xenol_> !restricted
[10:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:07] <DropKickMurpheys> eh, i'm using feisty :/
[10:07] <ismakun> has anyone installed exadel pluging with eclipse in ubuntu and the the tomcat server worked?
[10:07] <xenol_> DropKickMurpheys: np just look for feisty how to
[10:07] <DropKickMurpheys> k
[10:07] <DropKickMurpheys> Thank you
[10:07] <uga> ScorpKing: qt-developer? where did you get that
[10:08] <uga> ScorpKing: kdevelop is a whole IDE created by kde people. You can create both qt and kde apps, or even gtk ones if you please
[10:08] <ismakun> im trying to run the tomcat server in exadel but it sends me an error
[10:08] <uga> it's not restricted to kde apps
[10:08] <uga> ScorpKing: but I don't really know what qt-developer is
[10:09] <uga> ScorpKing: qt tutorials can be used even with vi. They are unrelated to the IDE
[10:09] <ScorpKing> uga: i'm not sure if it's called that but i'm talking about the frontend for qt. looks like i got the name wrong. anyway, i understand now. :)
[10:09] <ScorpKing> lol
[10:09] <uga> ScorpKing: you're mixing up things... there's no "qt frontend"
[10:09] <uga> Qt are libraries
[10:09] <uga> they have no frontends
[10:09] <uga> they aren't applications
[10:10] <ScorpKing> uga: let me go look for the one i'm talking about. one sec...
[10:10] <uga> ScorpKing: there's tools like "designer", which helps creating guis
[10:10] <uga> but then it's all c++ code. You can create applications in something like notepad =)
[10:11] <edulix_> hi
[10:11] <BluesKaj> ppl here don't appreciate a good joke
[10:11] <edulix_> how can I configure where is my maildir in kmail?
[10:11] <ScorpKing> lol uga. i know. i use to do pascal.
[10:11] <quixogre> vi roxxors. theres still not a better text editor in existance
[10:11] <uga> BluesKaj: we're trying to decode the joke. Give us a couple hours more and maybe.. =)
[10:11] <BluesKaj> hehe
[10:12] <ScorpKing> uga: qt3-designer is what i meant.
[10:12] <uga> ScorpKing: that, designer, is just an application that generates scripts to autogenerate code
[10:13] <ScorpKing> o well. i'm just gonna use kdevelop.
[10:13] <uga> ScorpKing: you run the .ui files it creates through uic, and you get c++ code
[10:13] <uga> ScorpKing: kdevelop uses its own gui editor now, iirc
[10:14] <uga> but does exactly the same thing
[10:14] <ScorpKing> ic
[10:14] <uga> while kdevelop isn't only a gui editor that generates those scripts. It's also a text file (code) editor, debugger,...
[10:14] <uga> a whole IDE
[10:15] <ScorpKing> i don't see any tutorial in kdevelop's documentation as with qt-designer. i did find some online tho
[10:15] <uga> ScorpKing: if what you want is following qt tutorials, I suggest you ignore kdevelop for now and use kate
[10:15] <uga> ScorpKing: learning how to properly use kdevelop can be more daunting than following the qt tutorials
[10:15] <uga> and kate is a real nice editor =)
[10:16] <benny_> #tuxxland
[10:16] <ScorpKing> uga: i know kate. i see hilight all for text search has been added now. :)
[10:16] <uga> ScorpKing: or just use kdevelop as a file editor
[10:16] <uga> it's same as kate anyway
[10:16] <ScorpKing> or vi
[10:17] <uga> or ed =)
[10:17] <ScorpKing> not the same as notepad
[10:17] <xenol_> can i disable KDE options for GNOME?
[10:18] <Darkrift411> is there a gui tool that handles mounting?
[10:18] <Willabee> Whenever I click "Enabled Desktop Effects" on Feisty, my entire screen goes white except I can still move my mouse
[10:19] <Darkrift411> i have soem drives that will not mount properly
[10:19] <NotSure> uga, i wanted to issue a public apology because private messages are currently not allowed. Do you accept donations?
[10:19] <xenol_> NotSure: what happened?
[10:19] <NotSure> xenol, i had to prevaricate my case so somebody would help and uga responded
[10:19] <NotSure> xenol, when i was honest with him at the end, he got mad
[10:20] <NotSure> xenol, so now i want to pay back for my sin
[10:20] <luca_> hi everyone
[10:20] <Darkrift411> wow, sinners are everywhere these days... they have made it to linux help channels!
[10:21] <luca_> can someone help me please with network-manager? both in gnome and kde seems not to function
[10:21] <quixogre> luca_: whats the problem?
[10:22] <uga> NotSure: please, stop it, will you? I dont' want donations and I don't want apologizing. I just hate when people do what you just did. So next time behave and have fun
[10:22] <NotSure> uga, all right man! Peace!
[10:22] <zusjes> ?
[10:23] <zusjes> hello
[10:23] <luca_> quixogre: the applet (kde) does not see the network interfaces (which are up and running fine) whereas in gnome I cannot configure the interface at all, nor does it tell me any information on the established connection
[10:23] <ScorpKing> hi zusjes
[10:23] <luca_> basically they do not work at all
[10:23] <luca_> this in gutsy actually
[10:24] <quixogre> luca_: so knetworkmanager dorsnt work?
[10:25] <ubuntu_> hello. can anybody tell me, how to check ext-3 partitions under gparted?
[10:25] <luca_> quixogre: at all
[10:25] <luca_> it did until some hours ago
[10:26] <quixogre> luca diod soemthing trigger it to stop working? what changed from when it DID work?
[10:26] <uga> Darkrift411: kmenu->system settings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[10:26] <uga> Darkrift411: select administrator mode, and change with care =)
[10:26] <Darkrift411> god you guys friggen rock
[10:26] <Nuked> I managed to get compiz fusion installed, but there isnt a window decorator
[10:27] <luca_> well the only thing I can think of is I had touched the /etc/network/interfaces file....because I was trying to fix the fact that after suspend knetworkmanager did not function
[10:27] <quixogre> just uga...rest of us are newbs
[10:27] <Nuked> what do I run to get the window decoration?
[10:27] <uga> quixogre: lol
[10:27] <luca_> but I have restored the original since
[10:27] <uga> Nuked: kwin
[10:27] <uga> or kwin --replace if something else broken is running alraedy
[10:27] <Nuked> kwin just like that?
[10:27] <uga> Nuked: oh, for compiz.
[10:27] <Nuked> yeah
[10:27] <Nuked> for compiz
[10:27] <uga> emerald
[10:28] <uga> I don't think aquamarine can work under compiz (yes for beryl)
[10:28] <Nuked> wont that mean I have to install beryl?
[10:28] <quixogre> luca_: if you go to terminal and type ifconfig does it show up there?
[10:28] <luca_> quixogre yep
[10:28] <uga> Nuked: a second. my compiz got a deco, but I believe it's through emerald
[10:28] <luca_> actually I AM connected through wireless
[10:29] <luca_> thanks to wlassistant
[10:29] <fdoving> Nuked: try kmenu -> run command -> 'kde-window-decorator' to get the window decorations. that requires the compiz-kde package though.
[10:29] <quixogre> luca, does the loopback interface show up in knetworkmanager?
[10:29] <luca_> uhm what?
[10:29] <uga> Nuked: yes, it's emerald
[10:29] <uga> Nuked: apt-get install emerald
[10:29] <Willabee> Can anyone help me set up USB speakers?
[10:29] <quixogre> luca_: can you open knetworkmanager?
[10:29] <luca_> when I right click I see that it does not see any interface
[10:30] <luca_> yeah I can
[10:30] <Nuked> uga, compiz-kde does the trick... emerald not necessaru
[10:30] <Nuked> y
[10:30] <Willabee> They are listed when I aplay -l
[10:30] <Nuked> thanks again
[10:30] <Willabee> but I don't get any sound
[10:30] <fdoving> luca_: do you have the device set up in /etc/network/interfaces ? - if you have, that device will be ignored by network-manager.
[10:31] <quixogre> you may have just solved the problem...wlassistant sounds like its controlling the interfaces...it most likely disabled kde and gnomes network managers
[10:31] <uga> Nuked: cheers
[10:31] <uga> ouch
[10:31] <luca_> fdoving doh
[10:31] <luca_> thanks
[10:31] <quixogre> luca_: have you had wlassistant and knetworkmanager working in tandem previously?
[10:31] <uga> fdoving: is that kde-window-decorator, aquamarine renamed?
[10:31] <fdoving> uga: yeah, i belive so. something like that.
[10:32] <uga> and I was wondering why aquamarine didn't work on compiz, heh
[10:32] <fdoving> things happen quickly in compiz/beryl-land.
[10:33] <quixogre> !en
[10:33] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:33] <quixogre> sorry, wanted to check
[10:33] <pierre__> Is there any way i can bind the "Show desktop" button to my keyboard?
[10:34] <killermach> I've been using dual monitors with xinerama for years
[10:34] <uga> lol #ubuntu-chicago
[10:34] <uga> ?
[10:34] <uga> they have their own localised language???
[10:34] <killermach> I usually hand config the xorg.conf, but I'm having problems getting my kubuntu laptop to display with dual monitors
[10:35] <killermach> I only get a clone of the laptop screen
[10:35] <fdoving> pierre__: it's usually ctrl-alt-d, but you can change it in kmenu -> system settings -> keyboard & mouse -> keyboard shortcuts -> search for show desktop in the 'global shortcuts'-tab.
[10:36] <killermach> Has anyone used dual monitor with a laptop? I'm not sure but I think winxp did have a dual display on this laptop
[10:36] <quixogre> killermach: if you find the answer, let me know. been trying to set up a second monitor on this system for two days now
[10:36] <fdoving> killermach: i've done that alot. it's doable. pretty simple with intel graphics. there are loads of guides at ubuntuforums.org
[10:37] <killermach> when I goto System Settings -> monitor/display it shows both monitors in hardware
[10:37] <killermach> but it does not detect my samsung syncmaster 225BW 22"
[10:37] <fdoving> killermach: the approach is somewhat different from one graphicscard-make to the other. there are basically the nvidia/ati/intel way to do it.
[10:38] <killermach> I can choose "flatpanel Lcd 1680x1050"
[10:38] <quixogre> uga, can i get some assistance? im running a geforce 8600 card on this machine. how do i set it up in ubuntu?
[10:39] <quixogre> uga errr kubuntu rather.
[10:39] <killermach> fdoving: the laptop has an ATI Radeon mobility 128, and I agree intel and nvidia make this easy so I think I'm fighting an ATI battle here
[10:39] <uga> quixogre: doesn't matter =)
[10:39] <killermach> quixogre: what video chip do you have?
[10:40] <quixogre> killermach: geforce 8600
[10:40] <magnus__> Newbie question how do I change the settings of th screen size in kubuntu
[10:40] <Ash-Fox> my ati radeon mobility ly6 was supported out of the box with 3d acceleration in kubuntu.
[10:40] <uga> quixogre: as far as it's same as my 8500gt drivers, the restricted module binaries didn't work for me (maybe will be fixed by final gutsy), so I just avoid/remove nvidia-glx, linux-restrictedmodules-* and install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com
[10:40] <uga> quixogre: running version 100.14.19 (latest stable)
[10:41] <uga> works fine
[10:41] <quixogre> whats the command to detect my vid card again? lscpi?
[10:41] <Ash-Fox> quixogre, just note that uga's method requires a recompile every kernel update.
[10:41] <uga> quixogre: lspci |grep -i nvidia
[10:41] <kozz_> quixogre: are you running feisty?
[10:41] <uga> Ash-Fox: very true
[10:41] <quixogre> running feisty. yes
[10:42] <BluesKaj> quixogre, check this out , http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html
[10:42] <uga> rather, just rerun the installer each time *buntu decides to bump kernel
[10:42] <kozz> not sure if nvidia-glx-new in feisty has support for 8k series of Nvidia
[10:42] <Ash-Fox> Could be in backport.
[10:42] <pierre__> fdoving: well my problem is i cant find it under global shortcuts
[10:43] <fdoving> pierre__: in english it's named 'Toggle Showing Desktop'
[10:43] <fdoving> pierre__: under 'Panel'
[10:44] <uga> kozz: maybe it does: Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted nvidia-new-kernel-source 100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.4 [2279kB]
[10:44] <uga> the version no. fromnvidia new for gutsy is at least the latest driver from nvidia, now
[10:44] <pierre__> fdoving: thanks i found it but it wont let me set my keyboards "windows" button as it
[10:45] <fdoving> pierre__: that's probably because it's configured to be a modifier key.
[10:45] <pierre__> fdoving: so what can i do?
[10:46] <uga> BluesKaj: if you remove "splash" and the two "silent"  from the options, it might boot
[10:46] <fdoving> pierre__: play with xev and xmodmap. google is yiour friend.
[10:46] <killermach> quixogre: goto nvidia.com and download the driver for linux, then make sure to install "nvidia" packages in synaptic/adept
[10:46] <uga> BluesKaj: not sure if it boots otherwise (possibly does), but it seems like it's not doing anything. And a couple times it just rebooted instead of booting up
[10:47] <kozz> 100.14.09 is the first version of nvidias driver to support 8600
[10:47] <uga> very strange thing. It'd start as if it were to start up, but suddenly I'd see the bios splash again
[10:47] <kozz> which is not available in fesity
[10:47] <kozz> you either have to download from nvidias homepage or use a tool such as Envy
[10:48] <uga> kozz: it'd be nice if one could request lrm tools to install from nvidia.com
[10:48] <BluesKaj> uga , i already edited it out of the /boot/grub/menu.lst file , but i'm just curious about the final release upgrade
[10:48] <BluesKaj> of gutsy
[10:48] <kozz> uga: maybe, that is not easy unforntunately
[10:49] <uga> BluesKaj: it shoudl better have a nice revamp ;)
[10:49] <Doctor_Nick> argah
[10:49] <Doctor_Nick> i keep trying to kill a process and it's not closing
[10:49] <Doctor_Nick> what the hell is happening
[10:49] <uga> kozz: I'm sure one can get in contact with nvidia to get a decent repository?
[10:49] <Doctor_Nick> i tried sigabrt, sigstop, sigkill, etc.
[10:50] <uga> kozz: from what I've seen, lrm provides .o object files instead of .ko
[10:51] <kozz> uga: the thing is, the nvidia driver must be synced with the kernel
[10:51] <uga> I know
[10:51] <uga> cooperation should exist
[10:51] <uga> kozz: the thing is, it's either done on each nvidia release, or kubuntu will always lag
[10:51] <kozz> I wouldn't trust Nvidia if I was Canonical ,)
[10:51] <uga> so there must be "unsupported" versions
[10:51] <uga> kozz: uh? why so
[10:52] <uga> canonical makes gfx cards too? :P
[10:52] <Purcelly> In the unlikely reason I want to remove Ubuntu can I just unistall it and use Windows again?
[10:52] <Webbmaster> why can't i kdesu as another user on gutsy, but i could on feisty?
[10:52] <uga> Purcelly: sure you can format it out and install windows
[10:52] <kozz> no, but they can try a certain versio of the driver and check that it works
[10:52] <Purcelly> Cheers
[10:53] <kozz> if the video driver doesn't work people will blame Canonical and not Nvidia
[10:53] <uga> Webbmaster: what do you mean by "as another user"?
[10:53] <uga> any user?
[10:53] <uga> you should be able to
[10:53] <Webbmaster> yeah, i can't
[10:53] <Webbmaster> i can't open graphical apps when su'd at all
[10:54] <Webbmaster> unless im sudoing into root
[10:54] <Webbmaster> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[10:54] <kozz> Webbmaster: yes, other users are not allowed to open windows on your desktop
[10:54] <newsense> Webbmaster: shouldnt be using sudo for gui apps, use kdesu
[10:54] <uga> Webbmaster: uh, can you explain exactly when you get that?
[10:54] <kozz> better to start them with kdesu
[10:54] <uga> ah, now I understand. OTHER users, not the one that logged in
[10:55] <uga> Webbmaster: you need to use xhost for that
[10:55] <flx> Im trying to update my system but i am ending up with tons of errors... http://pastebin.ca/720969 any ideas?
[10:55] <Webbmaster> btw, i was just using su as an easy way to get errors
[10:55] <Webbmaster> uga: xhost?
[10:55] <Webbmaster> !xhost
[10:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xhost - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <uga> Webbmaster: or provide those users access to your .Xauthority file, and do export XAUTHORITY=/home/currentuser/.Xauthority
[10:55] <kloplop321> can somebody help me with Amarok? it crashes, I got the info from the terminal though
[10:56] <Webbmaster> uga: is there any major risk to doing the second thing you suggest?
[10:56] <uga> Webbmaster: like xhost +localhost will allow localhost apps to display there
[10:56] <kozz> flx: ohh, I have seen that error before :)
[10:56] <uga> Webbmaster: well, those users need to have permissions to read your home, so ... yes
[10:56] <kozz> what I did was to touch all files in /usr/share/fonts, not sure if that is a "good" way to "fix" it but it works
[10:56] <kloplop321> Amarok crashes for me, here is what happens in the terminal
[10:56] <kloplop321> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::insertKAccel( kaccel = 0x8 object already contains an action name "play_pause"
[10:56] <kloplop321> QLayout "unnamed" added to QVBox "unnamed", which already has a
[10:56] <kloplop321> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::insertKAccel( kaccel = 0x8 object already contains an action name "play_pause"
[10:56] <kloplop321> QLayout: Adding KToolBar/mainToolBar (child of QVBox/unnamed) t listWindow/PlaylistWindow
[10:56] <flx> kozz: is my system broken? :(
[10:57] <Webbmaster> uga: so it only a problem if i don't trust other people with physical acces?
[10:57] <kozz> flx: nut sure why it happends
[10:57] <uga> Webbmaster: yes
[10:57] <Webbmaster> okies
[10:57] <kozz> find /usr/share/fonts -exec touch {} \;
[10:57] <kloplop321> how can I reset Amarok to the default settings on everything?
[10:57] <kozz> "solves" it, not sure if there is a better way
[10:58] <flx> kozz: then what can i do?
[10:58] <flx> oh
[10:58] <uga> Webbmaster: you don't trust the xhost method?
[10:58] <kozz> flx: you also need to run it as root with sudo in front
[10:58] <uga> Webbmaster: you can give permissions on per user basis too, with xhost
[10:58] <uga> Webbmaster: check man xhost
[10:58] <Webbmaster> okies
[10:58] <kozz> flx: there are some more directores you need to touch also
[10:59] <flx> kozz it does not find anything
[10:59] <uga> [+] name The  given name (the plus sign is optional) is added to the list allowed to connect to the X server.  The name can be a
[10:59] <uga>                host name or a user name.
[10:59] <uga> what I don't know is how ... does it distinguish from a "uga" host or a "uga" username, if both exist????
[10:59] <kozz> flx: no the touch command does not give any output
[11:00] <kozz> flx: but it takes a while to execute?
[11:00] <flx> kozz: what does it do?
[11:00] <flx> kozz: yes..
[11:00] <kozz> it updates the timestamp of the files in the specified directory
[11:01] <usser> hello does anyone know where the actual kcontrol config files are located particularly the login manager settings
[11:01] <Flare183> how do you get water effect on beryl to work?
[11:01] <uga> usser: kdmrc
[11:01] <hellhound_> does kubuntu come preinstalled with a firewall / iptables?  I need to be able to open three ports that appear to be blocked but i cannot figure out how to open them up
[11:01] <flx> kozz: alright whats next?
[11:02] <uga> usser: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, at least in gutsy
[11:02] <kozz> flx: now try to update again, you should get less errors
[11:02] <fdoving> hellhound_: nothing preconfigured, no.
[11:02] <uga> else try "locate kdmrc"
[11:02] <fdoving> hellhound_: everything should be open once you start a service that listens.
[11:02] <uga> usser: the rest of settings, not kdm, are in your $(HOME)/.kde
[11:02] <Flare183> hellhound:> yes kmyfirewall
[11:02] <uga> usser: the rest of settings, not kdm, are in your $(HOME)/.kde/share/config
[11:02] <kozz> flx: but there was some other directories in your log also, so need to do the same thing on them
[11:02] <Flare183> hellhound:> or even firestarter
[11:02] <kozz> replace "/usr/share/fonts" with the directory
[11:03] <flx> kozz: i cant notice a difference
[11:03] <usser> uga: thanks a bunch gutsy for some reason wont let me change the default background in login manager is it just me?
[11:03] <flx> kozz: ... between the errors
[11:03] <uga> ouch, why did I add () there =)
[11:03] <Tonren> When trying to load a torrent with KTorrent, I get this error: "An error occurred while loading the torrent. The torrent is probably corrupt or is not a torrent file."
[11:03] <Ibkanat> anyone have a dv6000 series laptop
[11:04] <Ibkanat> or know where I should go :)
[11:04] <usser> uga: yea i know about those
[11:04] <uga> usser: uhm, I may know why. The login manager uses a kdm/gdm theme, rather than a normal background
[11:04] <Ibkanat> having trouble with stability
[11:04] <usser> uga: i needed system wide
[11:04] <Tonren> I can't possibly have found THREE corrupt torrent files, all of which apparently have over 15 seeders.
[11:04] <Flare183> how do you get water effect on beryl to work?
[11:05] <hellhound_> fdoving: i looked in adep manager and saw that iptables was installed.  i need to open ports 999 5678 and 26675 do synchronize my pda according to a how to
[11:05] <quixogre> okay. thats wierd...i ran gdm, and it brought up kdm...
[11:05] <usser> uga: nope, it was default kdm theme, then i installed kdmtheme and changed it and when it didnt work, i just renamed the theme i donwloaded to kubuntu default one it picked up, the background however is left hanging
[11:05] <quixogre> but if i ran startx, NVIDIA crashed on me
[11:06] <Flare183> hellhound:> well you can config iptables with firestarter, knetfilter, or kmyfirewall
[11:06] <usser> uga: u know the background that is showed for couple of secs when u just logged in before kde splash starts
[11:06] <quixogre> uga: you here?
[11:06] <quixogre> my screen looks much nicer now....but not sure im actually using the nvidia drivers...how do i check?
[11:07] <uga> usser: oh, that one... uhm... not sure but iirc that's something like the background desktop for root or somthing. I cant' remember
[11:07] <uga> usser: you mean in between kdmthemer and splash, right?
[11:07] <uga> quixogre: no
[11:07] <uga> =)
[11:07] <hellhound_> Flare183: which is the easiest to use since i do not have experience with iptables
[11:07] <usser> uga: yea that one
[11:07] <uga> usser: not sure myself. You can best ask at #kde. I'm sure somebody knows. iirc it relates to the desktop setting for the root or so
[11:07] <uga> but I'm not very sure
[11:08] <flx> kozz:  it seems to be working
[11:08] <usser> uga: ok
[11:08] <uga> usser: notice lots of people in #kde (at least the devs that hang around) are from europe and they may be asleep =)
[11:08] <flx> kozz:  cant i just do find / -exec touch {} \; ?
[11:08] <uga> usser: if you see annma, say hi from uga ;)
[11:08] <kozz> flx: just found a bug about it btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/104553
[11:08] <Flare183> hellhound_:> firestarter
[11:09] <kozz> flx: yes, but that is not recommended, since it has to access EVERY file on your system
[11:09] <kozz> flx: takes really long time and can have other side effects
[11:09] <flx> what exactly does this command do again?
[11:09] <usser> uga:
[11:09] <usser> uga: ok
[11:09] <kozz> touch - "Update the access and modification times of each FILE to the current time."
[11:09] <uga> quixogre: glxinfo should tell you if you're using nvidia
[11:09] <flx> kozz: hmm and why does it help me in this error?
[11:10] <uga> quixogre: or lsmod |grep -i nvidia
[11:10] <kozz> together with find it updates the timestamp of each file in the directory to the current time
[11:10] <uga> quixogre: if the number is 0, it's not being used
[11:10] <kozz> flx: since fontconfig can update the cache of files from the past for some reason
[11:10] <kozz> can't :)
[11:10] <flx> kozz: i see
[11:11] <kozz> No idea why, but feels like a bug in fontconfig :)
[11:11] <uga> quixogre: "OpenGL version string: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19" <--  should be read in glxinfo
[11:11] <kozz> sudo -i apt-get install fontconfig 2>&1 | grep failed | cut -d : -f 1 | xargs touch
[11:11] <kozz> that should solve it in one command
[11:12] <flx> kozz: horray its been fixed.. thank you
[11:12] <kozz> good
[11:12] <quixogre> WOOT! it worked :)
[11:12] <flx> should i bug report it too?
[11:12] <quixogre> im now running the nvidia drivers :) not only that, but now beryl works, too
[11:12] <kozz> there already is a bug about it
[11:13] <quixogre> james@james-desktop:~$ lsmod |grep -i NVIDIA
[11:13] <quixogre> nvidia               7249940  24
[11:14] <uga> quixogre: did you remove all the restricted modules stuff?
[11:14] <uga> I guess you did, else it wouldn't have worked :/
[11:14] <uga> =)
[11:14] <quixogre> so will i have to recompile kernel everytime i upgrade to new version of ubuntu?
[11:14] <quixogre> uga, nope
[11:15] <kozz> quixogre: gutsy has an up to date version of nvidia-glx
[11:15] <kozz> so gutsy should not be a problem :)
[11:15] <quixogre> kozz, heard too many bad things about gutsy. gonna wait till its out of beta at least
[11:16] <quixogre> but good ta know thery plan on supporting it
[11:16] <kozz> yep, but you said "new version of ubuntu" - that is gutsy
[11:16] <uga> quixogre: you'll have to reinstall the nvidia.run
[11:16] <uga> which will run and install the module, yes
[11:16] <uga> quixogre: one thing, are you in feisty, or gutsy?
[11:17] <quixogre> acha. gotcha now.
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> is it possible to downgrade k3b (i.e. use a previous version) ?
[11:17] <quixogre> uga: feisty
[11:17] <uga> quixogre: ahk. It sems nvidia-new in gutsy contains this driver now
[11:17] <uga> but not in feisty
[11:17] <Schuenemann> can anyone tell me how to restore KPDF's menu? I messed something up
[11:18] <quixogre> now if i could figure out how to two-head this machine, life would be grand
[11:18] <kozz> Schuenemann: ctrl+m
[11:18] <uga> Schuenemann: ctrl+M
[11:19] <uga> kozz: ouch, off by 2 seconds ;)
[11:19] <kozz> :P
[11:19] <uga> had I not pressed shift... =)
[11:19] <Schuenemann> wow, thanks
[11:19] <Schuenemann> is that a KDE shortcup?
[11:19] <Schuenemann> shortcut*
[11:19] <uga> Schuenemann: yes, for most apps
[11:19] <uga> or maybe all
[11:19] <Schuenemann> nice, thanks
[11:19] <uga> Schuenemann: the option is under settings->
[11:20] <uga> hide menu bar, ctrl+M
[11:20] <Schuenemann> yeah, I'd have seen that, if I had the menu bar :-)
[11:20] <uga> uhm strange. It reads "menubar". Is that correct english even?
[11:20] <uga> without a space
[11:21] <Schuenemann> Dunno, translated here
[11:21] <Schuenemann> But I think so... we say spacebar
[11:21] <uga> Schuenemann: iirc, kde used to warn about hiding the menu, before
[11:21] <kozz> there is a option "show menubar" if you rightclick the document
[11:22] <Schuenemann> oh yeah, I clicked many places but not the document
[11:22] <uga> kozz: where?
[11:22] <uga> I only see "add bookmark"
[11:23] <Schuenemann> you have to hide it
[11:23] <kozz> the menu needs to be removed also
[11:23] <uga> oh only when hiding. clever. Thanks =)
[11:23] <uga> it seems other apps follow too. konqui does same
[11:23] <quixogre> !nvidia
[11:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:24] <uga> quixogre: that's the "how not to" in your case ;)
[11:24] <quixogre> !multi monitor
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multi monitor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <lance_> ive problem with my ati card
[11:24] <uga> !twinview
[11:24] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[11:24] <quixogre> uga: trying to figure out how to get my second monitor working now
[11:24] <uga> quixogre: look at that info
[11:25] <quixogre> !dualhead
[11:25] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[11:25] <Bleep> hi there
[11:25] <lance_> hi
[11:25] <Bleep> ive managed to visit my modem settings page through konqueror
[11:25] <Bleep> but how do i connect to the internet?
[11:26] <quixogre> !twinview
[11:26] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[11:26] <uga> quixogre: it's a shame I had not thought of dualheading when buying this gfx card
[11:26] <Willabee> Can anyone help me set up sound with USB speakers?
[11:26] <Willabee> I have sound with GAIM, but not firefox or anything else
[11:27] <uga> quixogre: I believe I can do that by connecting one monitor through crt and the other through dvi, but doesn't seem to be the right way...
[11:27] <Aattila> Hi! Does anybody know how to get buici-clock be always on the top?
[11:28] <dhq_> why cant they add the previous features in kbluetoothd
[11:28] <quixogre> uga: they make a converter that'll convert the DVI port to 9pin
[11:29] <quixogre> my card came with two DVI ports. had to use converter for second head
[11:29] <pillowpants> im using fiesty, and i cant seem to write access an ntfs partition i have
[11:29] <pillowpants> its claiming to be read only
[11:30] <uga> quixogre: heh, you want to swap? =)
[11:30] <pillowpants> how would i fix this issue?
[11:30] <Doctor_Nick> man
[11:30] <quixogre> newer monitor on first head, so it doesnt need converter...
[11:30] <uga> quixogre: mine comes with a dvi and a normal 9 pin thing =)
[11:30] <Bleep> should i turn on dhcp on my modem?
[11:30] <quixogre> lol uga nah thanks. i like my two headed beast ;)
[11:30] <uga> quixogre: exactly suiting your needs ;P
[11:30] <Doctor_Nick> is there a gui front end for the modprobe utilities?
[11:30] <Doctor_Nick> it would be nice if there was something analogous to the device manager on windows for linux :/
[11:31] <Bleep> im trying to setup adsl internet for houes... still not working ;/
[11:31] <uga> Doctor_Nick: afaik not. The general rule is that linux should autodetect what drivers are needed
[11:31] <quixogre> bleep no luck with the isp?
[11:31] <Bleep> nopes
[11:31] <EvilIdler> Bleep: Who's your ISP?
[11:32] <Bleep> ive managed to manually set eth0 settings
[11:32] <Bleep> mine is planet
[11:32] <EvilIdler> Bleep: Do you know if they require PPPoE or some other such login?
[11:33] <quixogre> EvilIdler: yeah. even with XP he has to manually set up his IP and such
[11:33] <EvilIdler> Ugh. That sounds broken :/
[11:33] <Bleep> dunno, i tried "sudo pppoeconf" but no luck
[11:33] <EvilIdler> Trying to browse their site triggers all my warnings
[11:34] <netwalker> Hi everyone!
[11:34] <uga> Bleep: oh, now I remember you. Sorry, my machine went down when I was trying to help you out
[11:34] <Bleep> yes but my modem can be set as dhcp .... is that good?
[11:34] <uga> did you manage entering the webpage of the adsl modem?
[11:34] <Bleep> yes
[11:34] <uga> yes, that's good
[11:34] <uga> that way linux will autoconfigure itself
[11:34] <quixogre> bleep yes, set the modem to dhcp
[11:34] <uga> now the modem should be set to the details the ISP provides
[11:34] <Bleep> dhcp client or server?
[11:34] <uga> username, pppoe... etc
[11:34] <Doctor_Nick> uga: yeah, but say that I want to disable a device, like my internal sound card
[11:34] <quixogre> bleep server
[11:35] <Bleep> ah ty :)
[11:35] <EvilIdler> I used to work for another ISP with Dutch origins. Their DHCP server wasn't compatible with client v3.x for some reason. Had to use 2.0.
[11:35] <quixogre> then set your laptop for dhcp client
[11:35] <araizen> one of my internal harddrives, hdd, just failed. i just unplugged it and rebooted, but how do i tell kubuntu that it shouldn't look for that disk?
[11:35] <Willabee> Can anyone help me with getting sound to work in firefox?
[11:35] <dhq_> which is the channel for kubuntu development
[11:35] <uga> Bleep: server for the modem. It must act as server for the machines in your home lan
[11:35] <Bleep> well im dutch ;)
[11:35] <quixogre> araizen: shouldnt be a need to. unless you were mounting required filesystems from it
[11:36] <netwalker> just a kick question. does anyone remember how this .hidden file could define which files you wanted hidden (instead of renamig dir to .dir)? how can I activate it again? it deactivated yesterday when I updated to gutsy
[11:36] <uga> Doctor_Nick: drivers don't come separately in linux. If you remove a module, you may disable all your soundcards
[11:36] <uga> Doctor_Nick: some do come separately, but some come grouped
[11:36] <araizen> quixogre: well, when i boot it says there's a problem with the filesystem and gives me a command prompt, but i just type ctrl-d and everything continues fine
[11:36] <tekteen> will kde 4.0 be in 7.10
[11:36] <uga> tekteen: no
[11:37] <araizen> quixogre: i was probably automounting some partitions on hdd, where do i tell the system not to do that at boot time?
[11:37] <netwalker> tekteen: maybe in time for 8.10...
[11:37] <EvilIdler> Ooh, then there's hope 7.10 really does get released in October :)
[11:37] <quixogre> araizen: look in /etc/mount file
[11:37] <araizen> quixogre: okay, thanks
[11:38] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: /etc/fstab, i think, tight quixogre?
[11:38] <quixogre> sorry, emilsedgh is correct. fstab not mount
[11:38] <emilsedgh> s/tight/right
[11:38] <araizen> quixogre: there is no /etc/mount
[11:38] <uga> Willabee: possibly sound doesn't work in firefox because another app like amarok is using the soundcard
[11:38] <ftz> How do I change the icon theme for Evolution? I also would like to change the GTK theme if possible
[11:38] <araizen> is it called something like /etc/fstab?
[11:39] <tekteen> yes
[11:39] <uga> araizen: yes =)
[11:39] <quixogre> araizen: yeah. thats it
[11:39] <araizen> thanks
[11:39] <Willabee> Amarok?
[11:39] <ftz> Amarok is awesome
[11:39] <uga> Willabee: any application that plays music
[11:39] <netwalker> araizen: look in /etc/fstab for the mount line for the disk you want not automount. see if it has an 'auto' option. if it does, change it to noauto, if it does't, add it
[11:39] <araizen> okay it has a bunch of things UUID=<some long number>
[11:39] <Willabee> The only programs I have open are Firefox and GAIM right now
[11:40] <uga> uhm... no idea then
[11:40] <EvilIdler> Bleep: One of the modems Planet gives you is the same one I've had for a long time. Although my ISP disables their firewalls
[11:40] <chn> can u tell me how to change kde shortcuts ?
[11:40] <araizen> but there are comments above each line that it's /dev/h??#
[11:40] <araizen> i should just comment out the ones that refer to hdd?
[11:40] <araizen> there are also indented numbers below each line
[11:40] <uga> Willabee: what's a site that  you expect to play sounds in firefox?
[11:40] <uga> so that I can test
[11:40] <Willabee> Well first test was youtube
[11:41] <netwalker> araizen: if you look up in the begining of the file, you can see something like ' <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>'
[11:41] <uga> oh, I had forgotten I'm using nspluginwrapper... it's more challenging for me ;)
[11:41] <araizen> netwalker: okay
[11:41] <ScorpKing> youtube works with firefox on my box
[11:42] <tekteen> mine to
[11:42] <ftz> mine works fine too
[11:42] <netwalker> araizen: that meas the options come in the 4th group of text of each line. they should say something like default or notail or some options like that
[11:42] <araizen> most of them have a options as 'defaults'
[11:42] <chn> hello all. can u tell me how to change kde shortcuts ????
[11:42] <uga> ok, here it works with sound and all, too
[11:42] <araizen> should i change that to 'noauto' or 'defaults,noauto' or something like that?
[11:42] <tekteen> chn: what do u mean
[11:42] <ftz> what shortcuts
[11:42] <Willabee> Other sites I've tested are Veoh and YTMND
[11:43] <uga> Willabee: do other applications play any sounds?
[11:43] <ScorpKing> araizen: i just got here. what are you trying to do?
[11:43] <tekteen> chn: k menu?
[11:43] <hydrogen> araizen: defaults,noauto
[11:43] <netwalker> araizen:  and the 2nd group is where does it mount. try find from it's mount point what is the disk you look for
[11:43] <Willabee> I get sound from GAIM
[11:43] <chn> tekteen:  I want to use my keyboard buttons on amarok to volume up / down
[11:43] <Willabee> and that's the only one I've found working so far
[11:43] <uga> Willabee: unless gaim is doing anything to take over the soundcard... that's strange
[11:43] <Willabee> When I do all the sound tests I get sound
[11:43] <araizen> ScorpKing: i'm trying to keep hdd from mounting at boot time, because it failed and i unplugged it
[11:43] <araizen> netwalker: okay thanks
[11:44] <araizen> netwalker: if i just comment out those lines, would that be okay
[11:44] <araizen> because the disk is totally gone and is never going to be mounted again
[11:44] <tekteen> araizen: why not comment it out
[11:44] <netwalker> araizen: yes, that would make the trick
[11:44] <araizen> okay, thanks
[11:44] <ScorpKing> araizen: just comment it out in /etc/fstab. the line under #/dev/hdd
[11:46] <bleep1> uhm ok ive set my modem to dhcp server
[11:46] <netwalker> ok. I got an stuborn konqueror that doesn't want to hide the files I tell it in the .hidden file. any hint?
[11:46] <EvilIdler> bleep1: "sudo dhclient eth0" might give you some IP-address now?
[11:46] <uga> bleep1: the modem should also tell you if the adsl is up, speed, etc inside. Does it?
[11:47] <bleep1> i dont know
[11:47] <bleep1> DHCP Lease table
[11:47] <bleep1> Client id 	address 	Expires 	State 	Action
[11:47] <bleep1> 01:00:1a:80:44:e8:0e	<IP_ADDRESS>	6952	used
[11:47] <bleep1> hmm gonna try
[11:47] <bleep1> thats what my modem says
[11:48] <uga> that's the dhcp logs
[11:48] <uga> but before making the machine work, I usualy try to make the modem work ;)
[11:48] <uga> bleep1: was the machine fully configured by the instructions of the isp?
[11:48] <EvilIdler> Well, there is a certain usefulness in that, yes :)
[11:48] <quixogre> uga, hehe i'd just buy a small 8 port router and be done with the mess personally
[11:49] <bleep1> it was first..
[11:49] <uga> bleep1: dns servers, username, password, pppoe, vpi values... etc etc etc
[11:49] <uga> llc...
[11:49] <uga> if another machine works through it, it should be done already
[11:49] <bleep1> dunno where to set username password and ppoe?
[11:49] <EvilIdler> I'm using some form of Thomson/Alcatel tiny modem with no firewall or router active, and a Linksys Linux-based router between me and the filthy 'net
[11:49] <quixogre> uga, obviously it works, because he's using it now from his existing PC
[11:50] <uga> bleep1: don't you have "Wan" or "Adsl" menus in the modem's webpage?
[11:50] <uga> quixogre: that's what I was wondering =)
[11:50] <uga> but he just now set up dhcp
[11:50] <uga> how's the windows machine working. Fixed ip? =)
[11:51] <quixogre> uga, he was originally set up as static IP on his PC...prolly styill is, but if the router is running dhcp, then his linux box should be able to hit it
[11:51] <uga> =)
[11:51] <bleep1> well istill can connect with my xp computer
[11:51] <uga> bleep1: and how are you connected here, now?
[11:51] <bleep1> on my xp computer
[11:51] <quixogre> bleep1, is the xp computer still using static IP? the IP you put in manually?
[11:51] <bleep1> yes
[11:52] <bleep1> strange huh
[11:52] <EvilIdler> I'm guessing the nick change was bleep switching to DHCP on the XP system ;)
[11:52] <uga> [23:51]  <bleep1> well istill can connect with my xp computer [23:51]  <uga> bleep1: and how are you connected here, now? [23:51]  <bleep1> on my xp computer
[11:52] <uga> I don't get it, I really don't get it =)
[11:52] <uga> I need coffee
[11:52] <quixogre> bleep1 nah. just try running the other box. see if it can find the dhcp server. come back and let us know the results
[11:53] <Willabee> Ok I got sound working now
[11:53] <Willabee> I forgot to set my Speaker to default card
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[11:56] <Willabee> Now the only problem I have left with Ubuntu is activating Desktop effects
[11:56] <Willabee> Whenever I try to enable them, my entire screen goes white
[11:56] <tekteen> what type
[11:56] <tekteen> ?
[11:56] <Willabee> but I can still move my mouse around and stuff
[11:56] <uga> Willabee: and gaim worked without that?
[11:56] <Willabee> Just the regular
[11:56] <Willabee> Yeah
[11:56] <netwalker> Willabee: what graphic card do you use?
[11:57] <quixogre> willabee. i had the same problem. i went and installed the correct video drivers for my video card, and now effects work fine
[11:57] <evilidler> Willabee: I've found the beryl-managers various options to disable/enable some things help.
[11:57] <Willabee> Umm
[11:57] <Willabee> I don't have beryl installed yet
[11:57] <killermach> how do I tell what package installs /dev/shm?
[11:57] <Willabee> I have an Intel 865
[11:57] <netwalker> that could be a problem...
[11:57] <Willabee> I had to adjust the xorg file to get my resolution, so I think that might be one of the problems
[11:57] <evilidler> Willabee: Beryl and -manager is what you want
[11:57] <killermach> the redhat rpm managers will let you search for filename, I don't see that option in synaptic
[11:58] <evilidler> Willabee: Also any theme-related things (apt-cache search beryl, basically)
[11:58] <netwalker> killermach: are you on kubuntu?
[11:58] <Willabee> so I should be able to get the effects by installing Beryl?
[11:58] <evilidler> If you're using Adept, the default Kubuntu tool, there is a search box or three
[11:59] <evilidler> Willabee: That, and a few other settings. Your card is one I don't have direct experience with, though
[11:59] <killermach> netwalker: I am.. which is why I ask the question..
[11:59] <Willabee> Ok
[11:59] <netwalker> killermach: get to a konqueror and try enter  apt:/
[11:59] <Willabee> I'll try installing
[11:59] <killermach> I cannot figure out how to query the repositories to find which package has /dev/shm
[12:00] <evilidler> Willabee: You'll probably need to enable some fancy visuals in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use Beryl fully
[12:00] <Willabee> D: Apparently my driver doesn't support direct rendering
[12:00] <killermach> netwalker: cool :) thanks
[12:00] <Willabee> Right now I'm using i810
[12:01] <evilidler> Willabee: I guess you need to comment out the Load "dri" line, then
[12:01] <Bleep> im back
[12:01] <killermach> netwalker: shoot.. it says it cannot find that file /dev/shm, but the ATI driver proprietary install states it as a requirement before install
[12:01] <uga> Willabee: ati?
[12:02] <killermach> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.28.8-inst.html
[12:02] <Bleep> well my modem's page:   dial-in   routing   PPP   CIP   PPTP   BRIDGE   DHCP   DNS
[12:02] <uga> ouch, I was reading backlogs, didn't notice the following conversation. Please ignore
[12:02] <evilidler> Willabee: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=535336
[12:03] <quixogre> bleep any luck getitng the dhcp to work?
[12:03] <netwalker> then is not a .deb packet. is a device file created by a kernel module
[12:03] <Bleep> well i turned on the DHCP server... but do i need to set advanced options?
[12:03] <quixogre> on the router?
[12:03] <netwalker> killermach: then is not a .deb packet. is a device file created by a kernel module
[12:04] <Bleep> there's and advanced page of the modems DHPC settings
[12:04] <uga> Bleep: possibly no need
[12:04] <quixogre> bleep. you shouldnt.
[12:04] <uga> Bleep: if it says something like "work as dns server", "ip ranges", you could set them up, but not necessary
[12:04] <Willabee> Maybe I need to increase the number in VideoRAM?
[12:04] <evilidler> The problems are probably MAC-filtering and such, so just restart networking on the Linux computer and see if it picks up an IP
[12:04] <killermach> netwalker: hmm.. I agree, in centos/mandrake/RH, I can to rpm --what-provides /dev/shm   and see what to install
[12:05] <evilidler> s/problems/options/
[12:05] <Bleep> well its says: addresses <IP_ADDRESS>  subnetmask <IP_ADDRESS>   default gateway: auto
[12:05] <uga> wow, that's a very wide subnet!
[12:05] <uga> Bleep: did you change it yourself from <IP_ADDRESS> to that?
[12:05] <evilidler> Maybe he's big-boned. Don't make fun of him.
[12:05] <quixogre> bleep, thats perfect. not sure why its giving you a class A subnet, but hey, whatever works
[12:06] <evilidler> Class A = easier to type ;)
[12:06] <Bleep> no, its set that way in modem settings
[12:06] <uga> evilidler: I'm not making fun
[12:06] <evilidler> (when drunk)
[12:06] <Bleep> i  havent changed  anything
[12:06] <uga> Bleep: I'd suggest setting up <IP_ADDRESS> as subnet mask
[12:06] <Bleep> o ok
[12:06] <uga> unless you run a huge world-wide home lan ;))
[12:06] <netwalker> killermach: take a look at this> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.13.4.html
[12:06] <evilidler> uga: Insert applicable emoticon for jokes etc. :)
[12:06] <quixogre> uga, hehe let him run a class A. who knows. he may need it some day ;)
[12:07] <evilidler> I would expect the modem to give him a 192.168.something address if DHCP is working, though
[12:07] <uga> Bleep: about "adresses", is that a list of addresses?
[12:07] <uga> sounds like it allows defining a range
[12:07] <evilidler> Just restart networking/run dhclient again
[12:07] <Bleep> when i want to change to <IP_ADDRESS> it says invalid dhcp pool parameters
[12:07] <quixogre> evil, sounds like his modem is set up for commercial use by default. he's been using a static class A address already
[12:07] <denis__> hello
[12:07] <evilidler> Ah, right
[12:07] <denis__> i need help
[12:08] <quixogre> denis__: just ask :)
[12:08] <denis__> my english is pretty bad^^
[12:08] <netwalker> killermach: did you see where it says 'To enable POSIX Shared Memory on your system, perform the following as root:'... ?
[12:08] <denis__> my modules?
[12:08] <denis__> are lost
[12:08] <quixogre> bleep <IP_ADDRESS> is fine. just ask
[12:08] <denis__> for my system
[12:08] <quixogre> denis, what language do you speak?
[12:08] <uga> Bleep: uhm... that's nto normal. Does it have a very big ip range set for subnet?
[12:09] <denis__> german
[12:09] <killermach> netwalker: reading now
[12:09] <quixogre> !de | denis__
[12:09] <ubotu> denis__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:09] <denis__> yes
[12:09] <uga> quixogre: sure, an A class home-lan. Right? =)
[12:09] <denis__> i know
[12:09] <denis__> but there is no one online xD
[12:09] <denis__> all afk
[12:09] <quixogre> uga hey man if it aint broke...
[12:09] <evilidler> It's OK with an A if you're a classy user.
[12:09] <uga> lol
[12:09] <denis__> or don't know what to do
[12:09] <Bleep> ok so i presume my modem is set alread but what do i have to set in knetworkmanager?
[12:09] <quixogre> denis__: shoot. we'll try to help
[12:10] <uga> Bleep: just set it all to use automatic (dhcp)
[12:10] <uga> and should run fine
[12:10] <quixogre> bleep set knetworkmanager to use DHCP
[12:10] <evan__> i have never tried to do this before so i dont even know what to search. i want to set up a wireless LAN. one comp is winxp the other is kubuntu, i know i need to use samba, but thats about all i know. what do i search to get the answeres i need? windows wireless lan didnt turn up much
[12:10] <evilidler> Bleep: I suggest just opening a terminal and running "sudo dhclient eth0", ot whatever your device was to test it
[12:10] <Bleep> ah ok
[12:10] <Bleep> ok brbr
[12:10] <denis__> lol quixogre xD
[12:10] <quixogre> evan__: why do you need samba?
[12:10] <denis__> ok
[12:11] <denis__> http://www.bilderhosting.info/pics/image68952.jpg
[12:11] <denis__> thats the screenshot
[12:11] <evilidler> evan__: I stopped using Samba when i found WinSCP.
[12:11] <quixogre> evan__: samaba is only if you are mounting windows networked file systems on thew linux box or vice versa
[12:11] <denis__> but i don't think you can do understand it^^
[12:11] <uga> evilidler: quixogre: it's best if he can set up subnet mask properly, else he'll have more fun when he wants firewalling properly
[12:11] <evan__> quixogre: i thought samba is what was needed for linux and windows to communicate on lan
[12:11] <tekteen> evan: no
[12:12] <tekteen> it is used for windows file sharing
[12:12] <quixogre> evan__: nope.
[12:12] <tekteen> and printing
[12:12] <uga> evilidler: quixogre: and he needs some IPs left for vmware or vbox =)
[12:12] <evilidler> uga: Yeah, I don't know many who have more than 255 computers at home, anyway..
[12:12] <uga> evilidler: not many? so you know someone? =))
[12:12] <tekteen> evan: konqueror has a built in smb client
[12:12] <evilidler> One. But he's certifiable.
[12:13] <tekteen> smb:/
[12:13] <uga> heh
[12:13] <bleep1> ok im back again
[12:13] <evilidler> Not all are networked, either. His powerbill is insane.
[12:13] <denis__> no help?^^
[12:13] <pillowpants> so, i clicked "do not ask again" on the konkerer download window, and now i have no idea where my stuff is downloading to
[12:13] <uga> heh
[12:13] <uga> no wonder
[12:13] <pillowpants> where would i go to undo that?
[12:13] <tekteen> even?
[12:13] <bleep1> ive tried sudo  dhcclient eth0
[12:13] <quixogre> sorry denis__: nein sprechen
[12:13] <pillowpants> i checked all the stuff in preferences, and i tell you it isnt there
[12:13] <bleep1> what should i look  after?
[12:14] <denis__> hmm
[12:14] <quixogre> at one point i had 300 devices...but all but twqo of them were slot machiens in my garage.
[12:15] <denis__> quixogre:
[12:15] <evilidler> I don't see the need for more than one work computer, a gaming computer and one of every console
[12:15] <uga> denis__: if that's meant to be a screenshot of your "kubuntu" system, I understand you're trolling?
[12:15] <yamal> denis__: the "screenshot" you linked to is taken out of some childrens bedtime story book, aint gonna get much help with that here
[12:15] <denis__> xD
[12:15] <uga> denis__: you know trolls get banned here
[12:15] <evan__> ok guys, like i said i am such an uber nerd at this that i dont even know what to search. first i need to set up LAN, either on my kubuntu box or the win box. so where do i find some good info, what do i type into the search box?
[12:15] <denis__> ????
[12:15] <denis__> i try to change my systemsettings
[12:15] <quixogre> evan__: do you have a wireless router?
[12:15] <denis__> but when i try to
[12:16] <denis__> it shows me
[12:16] <denis__> that every module is lost
[12:16] <evilidler> evan__: If you want easy WinXP<->Linux connectivity, run a SSH server on the Linux computer, WinSCP on the Windows computer and just drag and drop.
[12:16] <tekteen> evan: all u need is a wireless router
[12:16] <denis__> ooooh guuuys
[12:16] <denis__> sryyy
[12:17] <denis__> that was the wrong liiink
[12:17] <denis__> -.-
[12:17] <evilidler> Get us the correct link, then :)
[12:17] <denis__> sry sry sry
[12:17] <denis__> wait
[12:17] <bleep1> listening on LFP/eth0/00.1a:80:44:e8:0es
[12:17] <bleep1> sending on LFP/eth0/00.1a:80:44:e8:0e
[12:17] <bleep1> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 6
[12:17] <bleep1> DHCPOFFER <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:17] <bleep1> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[12:17] <bleep1> DHCPACK from <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:17] <bleep1> bound <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewall in 2750 seconds.
[12:17] <quixogre> c'mon guys, i thought the teddy bear was cute....
[12:17] <uga> !paste | bleep1
[12:17] <ubotu> bleep1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:18] <bleep1> listening on LFP/eth0/00.1a:80:44:e8:0es
[12:18] <bleep1> sending on LFP/eth0/00.1a:80:44:e8:0e
[12:18] <bleep1> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 6
[12:18] <bleep1> DHCPOFFER <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:18] <bleep1> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[12:18] <bleep1> DHCPACK from <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:18] <bleep1> bound <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewall in 2750 seconds.
[12:18] <bleep1> o sorry
[12:18] <evilidler> bleep1: Your modem is giving you an address, at least
[12:18] <bleep1> im using mirc
[12:18] <evilidler> It's like aids.
[12:18] <denis__> http://www.bilderhosting.info/pics/image68969.png
[12:18] <denis__> thats correct
[12:18] <bleep1> you mean <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:19] <quixogre> bleep1: thats all good. means your linux box has an IP address. now: can you connect to a website from it?
[12:19] <evan__> quixogre: i do have a wireless router, but im not lookin for total spoon feedage, i will just surf around a bit more. im working on the windows box now anyways. it wont recognize the cd-rom
[12:19] <evilidler> denis__: Ah, looks like KDE is partially installed
[12:19] <evan__> thanks tho
[12:19] <denis__> hm
[12:19] <evilidler> denis__: Can you run Adept?
[12:19] <quixogre> evan__: sorry man, just starting at the beginning...
[12:19] <denis__> wait
[12:19] <evan__> its all good
[12:20] <evan__> i will figure it out, just messin around neways
[12:20] <bleep1> do i need to do something before i can visit a website?
[12:20] <uga> denis__: nicht gefunden == not found?
[12:20] <denis__> yes
[12:20] <quixogre> evan__: can both PCs connect to the wifi router?
[12:20] <denis__> yes
[12:20] <denis__> uga yes
[12:20] <evilidler> bleep1: Shouldn't need to do anything special if you have IP+nameservers
[12:20] <denis__> and evan__ yes
[12:20] <caravaka> hi. i run NMap on my system and see that port 21 is open even though I don't have any ftp daemon running
[12:20] <uga> denis__: the rest of modules work?
[12:20] <bleep1> when does it prompt  me for user name and pasw?
[12:20] <denis__> no
[12:20] <denis__> all lost
[12:21] <Lega> 'ello.
[12:21] <evilidler> caravaka: Probably one of the wrapper servers, like inetd, accepting that port
[12:21] <snowdonkey> Hi.  How do I tell "burn" utility what CD drive to use?  My master drive is not a burner.
[12:21] <denis__> oh not all
[12:21] <caravaka> oh
[12:21] <quixogre> bleep1: it shouldnt. just go to www.google.com
[12:21] <bleep1> ok brb
[12:21] <caravaka> is that why netstat also doesn't find any process id associated with that open port?
[12:21] <evilidler> caravaka: Either comment out in, uhm, some config, or just add an iptables rule to DROP all requests
[12:21] <quixogre> caravaka: if you want to block port 21, go to iptables
[12:21] <evilidler> caravaka: That would be it
[12:22] <caravaka> hmm thanks evilidler
[12:22] <quixogre> !iptables | caravaka
[12:22] <ubotu> caravaka: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:22] <uga> quixogre: iptables????
[12:22] <denis__> i see
[12:22] <caravaka> ok.. i have a question about firestarter...
[12:22] <uga> quixogre: man, you use that interface straight? =)
[12:22] <denis__> its this module
[12:22] <denis__> and the filesystem module
[12:22] <yamal> denis__: run "systemsettings" from the command line and try to open this module, then put the debug output you get on the command line on pastebin
[12:22] <caravaka> why can't i run it as a daemon but instaead have to run it from kde/gnome after logging in?
[12:22] <Lega> While watching a .mkv file (or almost any video format, for that matter) on my computer, the sound that comes out of the speakers acts as though it is EXTREMELY loud, like blasting the speakers. There is distortion and scratching noise, even when I turn the sound almost all the way down. (In Kaffeine and in VLC). When I played the same file on my VirtualBox Windows XP, the sound is fine. Thoughts?
[12:22] <evilidler> What's wrong with iptables? It's hardcore, sure, but it works!
[12:23] <quixogre> uga lol dude i keep tellin  ya. im so old school, i refuse to use anything newer than vi
[12:23] <uga> quixogre: let the rest use sane things though ;))
[12:23] <tekteen> iptables just works
[12:23] <tekteen> lol
[12:23] <uga> tekteen: it's so easy to screw up using iptables
[12:23] <bleep2> nopes cant visit google.com
[12:23] <uga> unless you know it VERY well
[12:23] <tekteen> and so easy to fix
[12:23] <evan__> quixogre: only the linux box right now, need to install *drivers* for the winbox but cdeom wont load
[12:23] <s> i am trying to run a perl script, but the instructions say i need to install "Config::Tiny, LWP::Simple and File::HomeDir"   can anyone tell how to install these perl modules?
[12:23] <denis__> sudo systemeinstellungen?
[12:23] <uga> tekteen: only if you notice it's broken
[12:23] <evilidler> caravaka: I've had less than pleasant experience with Firestarter personally, but it shouldn't matter if it runs or not.  You see a cable that comes out from the adsl modem to your pc?
[12:27] <quixogre> !iptables | bleep2
[12:27] <denis__> systemsettings/what?
[12:27] <ubotu> bleep2: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:27] <bleep2> lol not at home
[12:27] <uga> bleep2: thick one. It's got a connector in either end, called RJ45
[12:27] <uga> bleep2: so unplug it and be happy =)
[12:27] <uga> no more hackers ;)
[12:27] <bleep2> not here lol
[12:27] <caravaka> evilidler: since firestarter/guarddog are just guis for changing iptables, i dont' have to run them each time i boot into kde/gnome rite? since iptables anyways is in effect
[12:27] <evilidler> denis__: just click choices in the menus of systemsettings and watch the debug output pour out like something really runny
[12:27] <quixogre> evan__: hehe normally its the other way around...
[12:28] <denis__> oh
[12:28] <yamal> denis__: when you run systemsettings from the command line it will appear as usual. then just click any module that previously failed
[12:28] <shaffy> i am trying to run a perl script, but the instructions say i need to install "Config::Tiny, LWP::Simple and File::HomeDir" modules.   can anyone tell me how to install these perl modules?
[12:28] <evilidler> caravaka: Yep, they just make modifications and dis/enable a program in /etc/init.d/
[12:28] <quixogre> caravaka: correct
[12:28] <evilidler> caravaka: But having two init.d scripts affecting the tables can cause serious problems, including locking you out of your own box
[12:28] <denis__> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/5841
[12:28] <bleep2> uhm what do you actually type in the terminal to connect to the internet?
[12:28] <caravaka> ok. then what excatly does firestarted do when I click 'stop firewall" does it stop iptables underneath?
[12:29] <caravaka> i c.. so i'll make sure i run only one firewall
[12:29] <evilidler> caravaka: Yep, because each installs their own start/stop script, and doesn't know about the others
[12:29] <yamal> denis__: checking it out, may take some time
[12:29] <quixogre> bleep2: the fact that you cant connect to google is a not-good sign.
[12:29] <denis__> k
[12:29] <evilidler> There should have been a firewall category, just like the MTA category, so only one tool can exist at a time
[12:29] <caravaka> ohhh.. now i get the picture
[12:29] <caravaka> yaaa
[12:30] <bleep2> im giving up...
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !firewall
[12:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:30] <acee1234> i can no longer explore my ntfs partition from feisty, any ideas?
[12:30] <bleep2> i want to escape from Microsoft but i cant get internet :/
[12:30] <tekteen> ooo
[12:30] <evilidler> acee1234: ntfs-3g still installed?
[12:30] <tekteen> why not
[12:30] <acee1234> evilidler how do i check?
[12:30] <caravaka> why not escape altogether by kicking out ntfs?
[12:31] <tekteen> bleep2: why not
[12:31] <ScorpKing> bleep2: pls explain. i missed ur problem
[12:31] <evilidler> acee1234: Start Adept from the menus
[12:31] <bleep2> im trying  to migrate to kubuntu
[12:31] <tekteen> ok
[12:31] <uga> bleep2: ? [00:28]  <bleep2> uhm what do you actually type in the terminal to connect to the internet?
[12:31] <uga> what do you mean
[12:31] <tekteen> wat the problem
[12:31] <uga> you want to browse webs from command line?
[12:32] <quixogre> ScorpKing: bleeps trying to connect his linux laptop to the internet through a wierd ADSL router. he can set it up so that the router gives him a dynamic IP, but it wont let him connect out to the internet
[12:32] <uga> bleep2: as I understand, the modem's dhcp server gave you an ip already
[12:32] <acee1234> evilidler: yes it is installed
[12:32] <tekteen> bleep2: type "sudo apt-get install firefox" for a web browser
[12:32] <uga> beep2: what does ping www.google.com say
[12:32] <tekteen> ok
[12:32] <evilidler> acee1234: Is it an internal drive?
[12:32] <bleep2> brb
[12:32] <uga> tekteen: I think he's got the desktop setup. Just can't connect for some reason. Can't tell exactly what's going on
[12:33] <acee1234> evilidler: yes
[12:33] <tekteen> ok
[12:33] <tekteen> thx
[12:33] <jochen_> someon german there
[12:33] <BluesKaj> !de
[12:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:33] <quixogre> !de jochen_
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about de jochen_ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <evilidler> acee1234: OK, check your /etc/fstab and see if there's anything commented out about a fat, vfat or ntfs partition
[12:33] <ScorpKing> quixogre: dns or gateway problem? i know dns has to be set up on the router with the dhcp config. not sure what router he has tho.
[12:34] <ScorpKing> quixogre: dhcp settings on the router that is
[12:34] <quixogre> ScorpKing: its a doozy. it defaults to a class A network, when you run dhcp server on it
[12:34] <evilidler> ScorpKing: Looks like his ISP gives him Alcatel/Thomson modems, but I've never actually seen them with the router bits active
[12:34] <uga> quixogre: yours too, or you're talking about bleep's router =)
[12:34] <quixogre> uga talkin about bleeps
[12:35] <uga> quixogre: I'd first check if he can ping anything. If so, then the dns is working. if domain not working, he may have the dhcp server not providing dns names
[12:35] <ScorpKing> i wander what happens when he's online in windows... maybe he can figure out what's wrong from there.
[12:35] <quixogre> his static IP on his xp box is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <ScorpKing> thats normal
[12:35] <acee1234> evilidler: "/..."means commented out correct?
[12:36] <evilidler> acee1234: # is the comment symbol in those files
[12:36] <uga> quixogre: how can he connect to irc, if he's setting up the router as dhcp and the xp box is set to static ip
[12:36] <quixogre> ScorpKing: he has two boxes. a linux laptop, and his XP pc. the xp box has a static class A ip address and connects just fine. thats what he's tlaking to us on
[12:36] <uga> quixogre: and then this: [23:51]  <bleep1> well istill can connect with my xp computer [23:51]  <uga> bleep1: and how are you connected here, now? [23:51]  <bleep1> on my xp computer
[12:36] <yamal> denis__: it's a bug, most likely this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/136563.
[12:36] <ScorpKing> quixogre: gateway and dns? dns and gateway should be <IP_ADDRESS> i think.
[12:36] <acee1234> evilidler: nothing is commented out then other that text descriptions
[12:36] <evilidler> bleep2: I think you might need to check ipconfig /all in windows and see if anything new is there
[12:36] <uga> quixogre: I think there's a linguistics problem =)
[12:36] <evilidler> acee1234: Pastebin the file?
[12:36] <Bleep> ping www.google.com    >    ping: unknown host www.google.com
[12:36] <acee1234> ok
[12:36] <quixogre> uga agreed
[12:37] <ScorpKing> Bleep = Bleep2 ?
[12:37] <Bleep> yep
[12:37] <quixogre> ScorpKing: yup
[12:37] <ScorpKing> ok
[12:37] <denis__> and how can i solve the problem yamal?
[12:37] <yamal> denis__: you might want to any relevant information you can provide to that bug report
[12:37] <yamal> denis__: other than that, no workaround known for as far as I  aware
[12:37] <ScorpKing> Bleep: what does ipconfig /all in windows show?
[12:37] <denis__> oh :(
[12:38] <acee1234>  evilidler http://pastebin.com/m57f01ac9
[12:38] <uga> ScorpKing: ifconfig =)
[12:38] <uga> winders users...
[12:38] <ScorpKing> xp
[12:38] <uga> oh, on windows
[12:38] <uga> sorry
[12:38] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:38] <Bleep> what do you want to know?
[12:38] <quixogre> uga: no, he wants the windows info first. see if its giving him a default gateway for the router
[12:38] <uga> right
[12:38] <ScorpKing> Bleep: dns and gateway


[01:36] <bluesabre> flocculant, robert uploaded a new lightdm that resolves the issue for him
[01:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: Have you filed the thunar SRU yet? ;3
[01:37] <bluesabre> Unit193, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1512120
[01:37] <bluesabre> yakkety uploaded a bit ago
[01:37] <bluesabre> working on xenial now
[01:37] <Unit193> Sweet, thanks.
[01:37] <bluesabre> np :)
[01:38] <Unit193> I wondered if we'd want to FFe notifyd, but...
[01:39] <knome> when was FF?
[01:40] <bluesabre> last week
[01:40] <knome> mhm
[01:40] <bluesabre> I'm not opposed to it
[01:40] <knome> me neither; we're far from an LTS, so we should have some wiggle room
[01:40] <knome> though you should ask QA too
[01:42] <Unit193> Well, I'm not in charge of any answers so suits me. :D
[01:59] <bluesabre> :)
[02:11] <knome> time to go to bed
[02:11] <knome> ttyl
[02:12] <bluesabre> nighty knome
[02:33] <bluesabre> was going to test thunar in xenial, but apparently xenial doesn't like kvm
[07:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: xenial liked kvm for me for a whole cycle ...
[07:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: re lightdm - grabbed from -proposed. From Lock not managed to break it there. From Suspend, if I'm a bit quick then I get knocked back to unlock from desktop but second try works
[07:14] <flocculant> will report that on bug for Robert
[07:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: re xenial - I'll update my hardware jobby and get thunar there and do all the mad back and forth stuff I did when testing the patches
[07:32] <flocculant> once I see the verification- tags show up
[07:33] <flocculant> bug 1666803
[07:50] <flocculant> qa likes notifyd changes ...
[07:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: ↑ Figured he'd been testing it from xfce4-gtk3 too. :D
[07:51] <flocculant> :)
[07:51] <flocculant> morning Unit193
[07:52] <Unit193> Howdy.
[07:52] <flocculant> that was a busy start to my day ...
[07:52] <flocculant> locking and unlocking repeatedly ...
[08:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: in Settings in menu I currently see 3 entries for Disks - that's been reported on bug 1666693, so it's obviously not l-d-s - what is the likely suspect? gnome-disk-utility itself? I kind of assume so ...
[11:28] <bluesabre> flocculant, gnome-disk-utility seems to be at fault, commented on bug
[11:30] <bluesabre> flocculant, suspending with lock is kind of a pain... I wonder if there is something more we can do on the xfce side to make that a bit more secure/reliable
[11:31] <bluesabre> flocculant, since you're a fan of the notifyd changes, and none of us seem to be against them, we can probably start working on the FFe to get that in
[12:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke to all that - re suspend with lock, if I let the login screen settle down it unlocks fine
[12:03] <flocculant> also
[12:03] <flocculant> of course - I am suspend - reboot - unlock - suspend - reboot - unlock
[12:04] <flocculant> with no patience - which is unlikely to be normal behaviour :)
[12:06] <flocculant> will respin our images later to get lightdm
[12:09] <bluesabre> flocculant, great, thanks!
[12:10] <flocculant> doing now - package available - will mail testers later
[12:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: so yea just quickly - I think the suspend thing for me - is I'm rapidly testing it
[12:12] <flocculant> not that it should be a problem - but unlikely anyone would do that in normal life I guess
[12:12] <bluesabre> yeah, it seems like a less common use case
[12:12] <flocculant> :)
[12:15] <flocculant> I'll hassle jbicha re Disks when I see him about later :p
[20:00] <flocculant> bluesabre: just fyi - my seeing double password from suspend appears to depend on nouveau - nvidia 'appears' slower and I can't seem to break it
[20:03] <ali1234> double password?
[20:03] <flocculant> ali1234: unlock from suspend = see desktop - flung back to unlock screen
[20:04] <ali1234> ah that
[20:04] <flocculant> yea
[20:04] <ali1234> i think the lock screen is shown on another vt
[20:04] <flocculant> another cycle - another lock issue
[20:04] <ali1234> so it has to switch - after unsuspend
[20:04] <flocculant> vt8 iirc
[20:04] <ali1234> yeah
[20:04] <ali1234> lightdm handles it all iirc
[20:04] <flocculant> yea
[20:05] <ali1234> so nouveau has KMS which means it can switch between VTs and the console without resolution switch
[20:06] <flocculant> part of an ongoing conversation since pre-beta yakkety - which stopped while it worked for a bit - then started again a few weeks ago - when it stopped unlocking again
[20:06] <wxl> flocculant: have you guys had any problem with oem mode?
[20:06] <ali1234> the proprietary driver does not have KMS so when it switches between VTs it changes the screen mode, which takes longer to process, so the picture disappears for longer and you dont see what it is really doing
[20:07] <flocculant> wxl: no - when I've tested it - it works as expected
[20:07] <flocculant> wxl and changed package in the 3 Disks bug
[20:07] <knome> we've just begun testing/looking into it seriously otoh
[20:07] <knome> sauna, bbl
[20:07] <flocculant> knome: yea
[20:07] <wxl> flocculant: great thanks. re: oem we've got this http://launchpad.net/bugs/1638473
[20:08] <flocculant> wxl I've definitely looked in the last week
[20:08] <flocculant> ali1234: right
[20:08] <wxl> flocculant: in kvm?
[20:08] <flocculant> wxl: yea
[20:09] <wxl> flocculant: might be vbox specific
[20:09] <flocculant> not tried on hardware - not got vbox anymore - kvm works ok
[20:12] <flocculant> second drive to hospital - back later
[21:38] <ochosi> flocculant: so the unlock bug has been resolved in lightdm..?
[21:38] <ochosi> or did i misinterpret the update on the report
[22:16] <flocculant> ochosi: pretty much sorted yep :)
[22:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: That did not work.
[22:21] <Unit193> ls -1 ~
[22:21] <Unit193> Plain Text.txt
[22:21] <Unit193> OpenDocument Spreadsheet.ods
[22:21] <Unit193> OpenDocument Text.odt
[23:02] <flocculant> ochosi: I think I might revisit that testing of gtk3 settings manager in a vanilla install here
[23:03] <flocculant> I'm rather lost about what I've got that was gtk2 and is now gtk3 and what I've got because I built it locally and/or ppa
[23:03] <bluesabre> Unit193, oh no
[23:04] <flocculant> evening bluesabre
[23:04] <bluesabre> flocculant, hiya
[23:09] <bluesabre> Unit193, will take a look tonight... shoulda worked though :\
[23:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: nicely we have all green on the tracker
[23:25] <flocculant> hope to get enought time to sort the release note out a bit more before tomorrow evening
[23:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: :D