[20:06] <cornet> thecarlhall: best asking that in #ubuntu+1
[20:06] <AryehGregor> jordanwb, you could do "chmod 700 /home/*".  Or 711 instead of 700.
[20:06] <G_A_C> ubuntu, I don't believe so, no. And I would rather defrag NTFS from its native operating system, that's pretty IO intensive and I'd hate to show up an ntfs-3g bug in ubuntu
[20:06] <thecarlhall> cornet: thanks
[20:06] <cornet> thecarlhall: np
[20:06] <jordanwb> AryehGregor: okay thanks
[20:06] <ubuntu> mordof:  i think that was mentioned as a free windows program
[20:06] <ubuntu> G_A_C: that is a good point. thanks man
[20:06] <AryehGregor> cornet, that shouldn't be necessary if they're in a 700 /home . . .
[20:07] <mordof> ubuntu: ah, ok
[20:07] <cornet> AryehGregor: if they know the full path to the file then they can still read/write/execute it if the permissions allow
[20:07] <AryehGregor> cornet, not if /home is -x for them.
[20:07] <AryehGregor> cornet, -x on a directory doesn't allow navigation to even a known filename below it.
[20:07] <Anzo> Ok, so i seem to be having issues with some packages installing. The make command isnt working and i think i am just missing something
[20:08] <dbuell> Anzo: you are going to need to be a bit more specific.
[20:08] <trism> mordof: there is apparently a join/part plugin you can load to hide them
[20:08] <AryehGregor> cornet, $ mkdir /tmp/test; touch /tmp/test/test; chmod 666 /tmp/test; touch /tmp/test/test
[20:08] <AryehGregor> touch: cannot touch `/tmp/test/test': Permission denied
[20:08] <Anzo> I am attempting to install kino 1.3.4 as the older version decided to start chashing on me
[20:08] <kasha> hey guys! can sumbody tell me where is pidgin directory?? need help a lot! thanx
[20:08] <dreamborn> My sound is just putting out static. My headphones work in windows but not ubuntu, all i get is light static
[20:08] <Anzo> When i attempt to install /run the make command after configure i get
[20:08] <mordof> trism: :o any chance you have a link?
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: add sudo to the start of each command
[20:09] <nanotube> Anzo: did you install build-essential package?
[20:09] <nanotube> Anzo: and all the other dependencies?
[20:09] <trism> mordof: it is installed by default, just go to tools/plugins and enable it
[20:09] <Anzo> Nano i am reading the instructions and everyting but libiec6388 installed
[20:10] <gustavonarea> Hi. I have a free/unused partition on a server. How can I enable it (with ext4 and encrypted) from the CLI?
[20:10] <Anzo> nanotube havent done the build-es
[20:10] <nanotube> Anzo: well, get build-essentials first. then see what happens :)
[20:10] <mordof> trism: oh very nice, ty :D
[20:10] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: mount it ? just add a line for it to fstab
[20:10] <cornet> AryehGregor: ah yer of course
[20:10] <erUSUL> !fstab | gustavonarea
[20:10] <Anzo> nanotube trying right now
[20:11] <King> does any-one know where i can get latest updates for jaunty acpi and kernel
[20:11] <dreamborn> My sound is just putting out static. My headphones work in windows but not ubuntu, all i get is light static
[20:11] <mordof> trism: with 1490.. people in here, those notices were coming up way too frequently, making it hard to follow, lol
[20:11] <dbuell> kasha: the binary is normally located in /usr/bin and the libs are normally located in /usr/lib/pidgin
[20:11] <nanotube> Anzo: after that, you can run "sudo apt-get build-dep kino" which will automatically pull in all the development libraries needed to build kino. (if you're still missing any)
[20:12] <Anzo> nanotube does it change anything if i am on 64bit
[20:12] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: Sorry; actually it's not even a partition. It's a unused space on the harddisk for which I want to create a partition
[20:12] <erUSUL> mordof: use a "real" irc client like x-chat (not the gnome version) or even chatzilla (inside firefox)
[20:12] <nanotube> Anzo: don't think so...
[20:12] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: you have gui ?
[20:12] <mordof> erUSUL: but... pidgin is colorful xD lol
[20:12] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: no
[20:12] <Darael> King: the repositories?  If what you need isn't there, you could try enabling -proposed and/or -backports, though that's not usually recommended.
[20:12] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: use parted then
[20:13] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: but better do it from a livecd.
[20:13] <dreamborn> My sound is just putting out static. My headphones work in windows but not ubuntu, all i get is light static
[20:13] <Anzo> nanotube the build essentials is giving me a couldnt find package err
[20:13] <kasha> dbuell, i need history file
[20:13] <erUSUL> mordof: :P
[20:14] <Anzo> nanotube proper command: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[20:14] <nanotube> mordof: trism:  you don't have to get a different irc client. if using xchat-gnome, just right click on the channel in the list, and uncheck "show join/part messages". simple as that.
[20:14] <clearscreen> What was that command to append a line of text to a file ?
[20:14] <austin_work> anyone familiar with udev? I'm working on automated backup script, that recognizes the external hd by serial number. It works fine, but when plugging in a similar drive (same model/etc.), with a *different* serial number, the backup script is still run
[20:14] <King> Darael: I've already enabled backports
[20:14] <Pici> Anzo: Its build-essential, no s at the end.
[20:14] <nanotube> Anzo: ehrm, it could be build-essential (without the s)
[20:14] <kermit> clearscreen: echo text >> file
[20:14] <erUSUL> clearscreen: echo "line" >> file
[20:14] <Anzo> thanks
[20:14] <mordof> erUSUL: as far as i'm concerned, a 'real' irc client is whatever works.   nanotube: pidgin has a way to take care of that, problem already solved :)
[20:14] <austin_work> part of the rule is ' ID_SERIAL_SHORT=="1234wxyz" '
[20:14] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: I can't; there's no CD reader (I installed Ubuntu via PXE). Does it make a big difference?
[20:14] <clearscreen> kermit / erUSUL: I wasn't even aware of '>>', thanks :P
[20:15] <dbuell> kasha: check your ~/.purple/ directory
[20:15] <nanotube> mordof: ok cool. :) didn't know what you were using...
[20:15] <Anzo> nanotube already had it up to date
[20:15] <nanotube> Anzo: ah, ok... in that case, get all the build-deps using that other command
[20:16] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: it shouldn't... but still the partition table is going to be edited so some care is good
[20:16] <kermit> erUSUL: how is some firefox plugin called 'chatzilla' more 'real' of an irc client than pidgin?
[20:16] <wildc4rd_> evening all
[20:16] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: ok, thank you!
[20:16] <kasha> vegantom, hi!
[20:16] <Anzo> nanotube that is working, do i then go back through and try /confi and then a make or do i just proceed to make in the kino directory?
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> hi wildc4rd_
[20:16] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: parted has mkpart and mkfs commands with them you can create the new parition and fs in one go iirc
[20:17] <nanotube> Anzo: never hurts to run another ./configure ;)
[20:17] <dbuell> kasha: did that work for you?
[20:17] <Anzo> nanotube thanks
[20:17] <gustavonarea> Is it OK to create a *file* swap on an encrypted partition?
[20:17] <mordof> kermit: lol, you raise an interesting point
[20:17] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: cool, thanks :)
[20:17] <GLG> is there someone who can help me figure out something for conky?
[20:17] <nanotube> GLG: ask your specific question, and you'll find out ;)
[20:17] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: a little bit convoluted but should work (in the name of ortoganility=
[20:18] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, why would I add sudo?  That would ruin the demonstration.  Obviously root ignores traversal permissions.
[20:18] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: Will it work even after suspend?
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: its not root, its sudo ;)
[20:18] <GLG> i can't use linkstatus what is it's equal?
[20:18] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: suspend to disk ?
[20:18] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: to ram
[20:19] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, if you run a command using sudo, the command will run as root.
[20:19] <AryehGregor> So, yes, it is root.
[20:19] <kasha> dbuell, u saved my life) u rock! thanx %)
[20:19] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: i do not see why it should matter in the s2ram case
[20:19] <sebsebseb> !sudo |  AryehGregor
[20:19] <halfmoon> Damn im so confused on what i should do / where to start. Im trying to get my WUSB600N working in linux and need to install kernel.lzm and also install driver nemesis in windows its a snap in linux its rocket science
[20:19] <dbuell> kasha: np
[20:19] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: hmm according to the bot it is root hmm
[20:19] <AryehGregor> sebsebseb, I know what sudo is, yes, thank you.
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: so its does, my bad
[20:20] <CBell> er AryehGregor is right ...
[20:20] <AryehGregor> . . .
[20:20] <CBell> my god, sometimes this channel is so ...
[20:20] <AryehGregor> $ ls -lh /usr/bin/sudo
[20:20] <AryehGregor> -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 113K 2009-02-16 22:22 /usr/bin/sudo
[20:20] <GLG> conky does not accept linkstatus or wireless_link as commands
[20:20] <CBell> the blind leading the blind
[20:20] <sebsebseb> AryehGregor: yeah ActionParsnip knows what sudo is as well
[20:20] <AryehGregor> rwsr-xr-x = setuid root
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: if you want access to a folder in /tmp then create a folder using sudo then give the user access somehow
[20:20] <kholzer> CBell: yeah, honestly.
[20:20] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: you're right. And it'd make a difference with hibernate?
[20:20] <kholzer> CBell: Thats why I'm here (I'm blind), but noone has run into me yet.
[20:20] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, thank you for the advice, but I was demonstrating a fact about Unix permissions.  What you replied to is not related to any problem I'm having.
[20:20] <J_P> hi all
[20:21] <kholzer> ;[
[20:21] <kholzer> Hello J_P
[20:21] <J_P> People, I install ubuntu server 9.04. and after install xorg and icewm. well, startx works ok. But resolutions are there in 1024x768, and I would like 800x600. But /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty. where are the Xorg configurations ?
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: either with group membership or give ownership to the user
[20:21] <AryehGregor> My actual problem was (3rd repost): What might it mean if my machine locks up; responds to pings but SSH times out; Alt-SysRq REISUB lets me reboot with clean filesystems; but Alt-SysRq-K doesn't restart the session, and there's nothing relevant in syslog?
[20:21] <kermit> halfmoon: if common hardware doesnt work in linux, it's probably because the manufacturer doesnt want it to.
[20:21] <CBell> kholzer,  heh well I'd help, but I'm about to abuse ActionParsnip  so I'll probably get kicked
[20:21] <AryehGregor> But I've come to realize that if I can't figure something out, this channel isn't likely to be much help.
[20:21] <halfmoon> So should i take it back?
[20:21] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: really dunno; i spect to be buggy if it works at all... but is a server. do you suspend your servers ?
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: try reading /var/log/kern.log
[20:21] <CBell> ActionParsnip,  i want you to stop giving out such cruddy advice. You are taking the channel so far down it may never recover
[20:22] <J_P> kholzer: you know?
[20:22] <CBell> ActionParsnip,  dude, you really are a half wit. I'm sorry, someone has to tell you
[20:22] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, nothing relevant.  Isn't that effectively a subset of syslog?
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> CBell: i enjoy my halfwittedness
[20:22] <kholzer> J_P: hmm....
[20:22] <CBell> ActionParsnip,  yeah, but other ppl don't
[20:22] <halfmoon> I guess im taking it back....i opened the box though....heh
[20:22] <Naikrovek> i'm new here, but if one person can bring it down it wasn't that good to start with
[20:22] <kanallista> #murcia
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: it should be the kernel logs. I think they persist after reboot so should be a good place to start diagnosis
[20:23] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, . . .
[20:23] <kholzer> J_P: Could you write one?  Sometimes there's an xorg.conf.example and no xorg.conf.... I seem to remember a curses tool for generating one.
[20:23] <AryehGregor> I'm going to have to go with CBell here, I'm afraid.
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: does a memory test pass ok?
[20:23] <CBell> ActionParsnip,  anyway, I've got to take this higher. I've been watching you for a week now giving out really crap advice
[20:23] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: this one, yes. It's only used in a office (from monday to friday). And Wake-on-LAN only seems to work with hibernate and suspend; not with power off :/
[20:23] <CBell> ActionParsnip,  no offense, I know you are trying to help
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> CBell: takes a lot to offend me
[20:24] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, do you have any actual reason to think memory might be the culprit?  Because I'm not really interested in leaving my computer off for hours to test my memory.
[20:24] <CBell> ActionParsnip,  i can see .... dude, get a grip. It's not his memory ...
[20:24] <kholzer> J_P: You know what I mean with the curses tool?  You say it works at 1024x768?
[20:24] <CBell> arrrrrrrrrgh
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: id say it was possible as the apps run in ram. Is there a certain combination of apps that make it fall over?
[20:24] <Astine> vi vs emacs which is better for editing files in the command line?
[20:24] <kholzer> J_P: You could also strace it I could help you go over logs looking for a configuration file.
[20:24] <AryehGregor> CBell, out of curiosity, who can you talk to about this kind of thing?  Is ActionParsnip some officially-appointed helper or just some random dude who gives out help?
[20:24] <nuunuu> i want man pages for malloc, select etc installed. Which packges have them?
[20:24] <CBell> i really can't take this.  I'm going for debian. The ppl know what they are talking about
[20:24] <AryehGregor> . . .
[20:24] <kholzer> Astine: Bad question....
[20:25] <kholzer> Astine: That will never be decided
[20:25] <nuunuu> Astine: vim has imho nicer interface, but emacs formats code better
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: you need to establish if there is a pattern to what makes it hang
[20:25] <shane2peru> !language | CBell
[20:25] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: the make a real swap partition (encrypted if you must).. my gut feel is that it should be more robust...
[20:26] <pauljw> poor cbell... lol
[20:26] <erUSUL> !best | Astine
[20:26] <Pici> AryehGregor: you can tell us about it in #ubuntu-ops if you want.
[20:26] <AryehGregor> ActionParsnip, please realize that I've administered a 2 million hits/day Linux server as sole root for about three years.  I'm well-acquainted with general bug-hunting techniques.  This should have been apparent, I hope, from the specificity of my question.  If you don't have anything specific to suggest, then I don't think you can really help much.
[20:26] <J_P> kholzer: but if xorg.conf is empty, WM are there getting resolutinos etc from a place (file). what file ?
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: the fact that ping replies is very perplexing tough, no ssh makes sense though as the sshd service may keel over when the system hangs
[20:26] <btnz> how do i install Quack for scheme programming in emacs under ubuntu?
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: thats cool. i assume nothing in here due to the range of skills
[20:26] <gustavonarea> erUSUL: yeah, makes sense. Thank you very much, once again! ;-)
[20:26] <btnz> havent found it in the repositories
[20:26] <Astine> ok...
[20:27] <erUSUL> gustavonarea: no problem
[20:27] <Yorub> When will the next LTS be released?
[20:27] <nuunuu> where do i find man pages for glibc and linux
[20:27] <IdleOne> Does Shiretoko depend on FF-3.0?
[20:27] <sebsebseb> Yorub: April 2010
[20:27] <Anzo> kholzer if your xorg is empty your typed the command wrong maybe
[20:27] <erUSUL> nuunuu: manpages-dev
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> AryehGregor: btw, i'm just a dude, not any sort of appointd helper or nothing
[20:27] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: no
[20:27] <nuunuu> erUSUL: thanks
[20:27] <Anzo> kholzer i know thats what it did for me
[20:27] <btnz> anyone here using quack?
[20:27] <Anzo> kholzer are you new to ubuntu?
[20:27] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Is its name still not known?
[20:28] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I think the name is out there, but  in that case, I don't remember what's it called,  I think I have read some article in the past that had the name
[20:28] <Yorub> Does anybody know the name of the next LTS?
[20:28] <IdleOne> thank you sebsebseb
[20:28] <erUSUL> btnz: dl the quack.el file and pu it somewer emacs look for it. instruction on how to do it come in the file itself
[20:28] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: as far as I know they are two seperate packages
[20:29] <shane2peru> Yorub: I don't think it has been named yet, it isn't due out till after Karmic.
[20:29] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Is there any information on how many of the Ubuntu users still use Hardy, the latest LTS?
[20:29] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: and 9.10 will have a later version of Firefox, with the proper user agent, and branding
[20:29] <btnz> erUSUL in the quack.el?
[20:29] <Anzo> nanotube are you still about?
[20:29] <erUSUL> btnz: yep
[20:29] <sebsebseb> Yorub: probably not
[20:29] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Why are you asking?
[20:30] <lianimator> I know flv files from youtube can be copied from /tmp. how about swf which has video? where are they?
[20:30] <erUSUL> btnz: i think ~/.emacs.d/ is a good place
[20:30] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yeah Linux market share can't be measured properly
[20:30] <sebsebseb> Yorub: really on the desktop  it probably has about 2%
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[20:30] <Darcc> Hi all, Is there and ISO download for Ububntu 9.04 for PowerPC users?
[20:30] <Pici> ActionParsnip: How is that helpful?
[20:30] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I'm interested to know more about the impact of this LTS strategy
[20:31] <grawity> Darcc: I don't think Ubuntu has PPC builds - only x86.
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> Pici: its al the proposed names for 10.04
[20:31] <sebsebseb> Yorub: So ask a proper question?
[20:31] <zielmicha>  /connect irc.freenode.net 6667
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> Pici: user asked what 10.04 was gonna be called
[20:31] <Darcc> grawity I have found PPC downloads for 8.04
[20:31] <Pici> ActionParsnip: I see.
[20:31] <austin_work> grawity, it does, they're community maintained
[20:31] <dbuell> Darcc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=427714
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> Pici: helpful?
[20:32] <sebsebseb> !lts |  Yorub
[20:32] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Are you implying my question was not very proper? ("Is there any information on how many of the Ubuntu users still use Hardy, the latest LTS?")
[20:32] <dbuell> Darcc: or more properly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[20:32] <sebsebseb> Yorub: everything else that is specifically to do with LTS,  is  pretty much irelivant I guess
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: its still up in the air, karmic isnt even released yet :D
[20:32] <sebsebseb> Yorub: not that I know of
[20:33] <duffydack> 10.04: Lethargic Leprechaun
[20:33] <files> ciao
[20:33] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Why do you care how many people use the current LTS?
[20:33] <fccf> Yorub: www.markshuttleworth.com 's latest post talks about LTS in detail
[20:33] <Zajkos> elo
[20:33] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I'm not sure I'm following. What is irrelevant about LTS?
[20:33] <fccf> Yorub: FYI I use LTS
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> its a little oftopic too ;)
[20:33] <sebsebseb> Yorub: nevermind
[20:34] <mordof> lol, is 10 really named lethargic leprechaun?
[20:34] <darkham> how can i look changes in karmic daily live?
[20:34] <seidos> sebsebseb: I would think that the number of users that use LTS are probably going to give a better indicator of "mainstream" users
[20:34] <sebsebseb> Yorub: however woudn't it be better to look at how many people are using Ubuntu as a whole on the desktop :)
[20:34] <fccf> !karmic | darkham
[20:34] <austin_work> anyone familiar with udev? I'm working on automated backup script, that recognizes the external hd by serial number. It works fine, but when plugging in a similar drive (same model/etc.), with a *different* serial number, the backup script is still run
[20:34] <sebsebseb> seidos: I don't tink so,  considering that most Ubuntu users at the moment will be using 9.04 or 8.10 on the desktop
[20:34] <austin_work> part of the rule is ' ID_SERIAL_SHORT=="1234wxyz" '
[20:35] <seidos> sebsebseb: then by mainstream I mean "not hardcore"
[20:35] <G_A_C> austin_work: /dev/disk/by-id lists devices on my system including their serial number and firmware revisions
[20:35] <sebsebseb> seidos: yes I mean that as well
[20:35] <Astine> can anyone point me to a page that helps new linux users unstand what is going on in the log files?
[20:35] <seidos> sebsebseb: so do you agree that LTS users would be less hardcore?
[20:35] <Yorub> sebsebseb: The percentage of people that use a version shows me how much I can count on that version.
[20:36] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I see ok
[20:36] <sebsebseb> Yorub: well that's not quite true
[20:36] <mordof> seidos: LTS users (my guess) are ones that have been using ubuntu for a while, and have reason not to upgrade.., either that or ones that need to not upgrade in the future
[20:36] <sebsebseb> Yorub: and if I knew  a bit more, I could recommend a version to you right now
[20:36] <Yorub> fccf: Thank you for the URL. I use Hardy as my desktop OS, too.
[20:36] <austin_work> G_A_C, I've got the serial number, but apparently udev is ignoring it
[20:36] <sebsebseb> Yorub: LTS is what businesses are likely to be using though the ones that have gone Ubuntu, which sadly is not many
[20:36] <austin_work> because serial1 != serial2
[20:37] <Darcc> dbuell Thanks I will give it a try :)
[20:37] <sebsebseb> Yorub: ,because businesses don't want to  have a reason to upgrade  every six months,  new versions of Ubuntu in April and October
[20:37] <seidos> mordof: I think what we're getting at is that LTS would be more reliable, and to many users that is the most important consideration
[20:37] <fccf> Yorub: FYI ... Mark Shuttleworth is the founder of ubuntu
[20:37] <austin_work> but udev is running the same action
[20:37] <sebsebseb> Yorub: it is also recommended for proper servers,  as in for exammple commercial ones, to run that on the LTS
[20:37] <xste> !list
[20:37] <sebsebseb> Yorub: since  the server versions get support for longer
[20:37] <seidos> I don't know how to scroll in irssi
[20:37] <Yorub> fccf: Yeah, I know. The space guy. :)
[20:37] <mordof> pg up and down
[20:37] <sebsebseb> !lts |  Yorub
[20:37] <Pici> seidos: page up and page down.
[20:37] <mordof> seidos: ah
[20:37] <Darcc> Antone using ubuntu on PPC?
[20:37] <seidos> Pici: thank you
[20:38] <Darcc> anyone*
[20:38] <fccf> !ppc | Darcc ... a few
[20:38] <SnakDoc> is there a way to reinstall dpkg ?? seems to be broken :(
[20:38] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I suggest you asked proper questions, and then   you may get proper replies
[20:38] <fccf> Darcc: discussion and support in #ubuntu-powerpc
[20:38] <sebsebseb> Yorub: otherwise it's just guess work, when it comes to  whatever  info you  want to know
[20:38] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Having to install a new Ubuntu every six months is pretty disruptive for the average *USER* too!
[20:38] <mbeierl> anyone know in which file "show printers shared by other systems" toggle is stored?
[20:38] <Yorub> sebsebseb: That's why I care about LTSs.
[20:39] <diogo_79> hi guys
[20:39] <erUSUL> SnakDoc: post the error you get when you try to use it
[20:39] <sebsebseb> Yorub: nonsense,  normalley the upgrades  go fine
[20:39] <lampliter2> are there any GUI tools for managing NFS in 9.04?
[20:39] <diogo_79> i am starting ubuntu
[20:39] <Yorub> sebsebseb: And that's why my question is absolutely proper.
[20:39] <Darcc> fccf :)
[20:39] <diogo_79> on my desktop
[20:39] <G_A_C> Yorub: I've done many dist-upgrades in place with barely a problem
[20:39] <sebsebseb> diogo_79: New to Ubuntu?
[20:39] <diogo_79> how can i see if all the hardware is install?
[20:39] <diogo_79> yea
[20:39] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Ubuntu only do security updates from the repos, as a result LTS versions get old pretty fast
[20:39] <Yorub> G_A_C: Then I guess you just know how to fix the small but annoying bugs that come with each upgrade.
[20:40] <seidos> Yorub: I think it also depends on a user's hardware
[20:40] <dbuell> hey does anybody know how to use /stats p in pidgin?
[20:40] <fccf> diogo_: lspci for pci hardware .. lsusb for usb ... and dmesg to see more details of what is going on
[20:40] <IdleOne> Yorub: not to mention you don't have to upgrade.
[20:40] <G_A_C> Yorub: I don't think I've ever had any problems specifically with an upgrade. Whenever I've had problems with a new version, it's a problem that woul dhave occurred with a fresh install as well (such as the Intel graphics performance regressions in Jaunty)
[20:40] <sebsebseb> Yorub: also I was going to say something like what seidos  said, it depends on the user and what hardware,  which  version of Ubuntu they should or shoudn't be using
[20:40] <sebsebseb> Yorub: and of  course the version of Ubuntu still being supported
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> diogo_79: try and use the hardware, if it works, its installed
[20:41] <Yorub> IdleOne: Your reply seems to continue a previous one, which I can't figure out. Can you quote it?
[20:41] <halfmoon> OK heres the deal i now have to get this installed in ubuntu
[20:41] <fccf> !enter | halfmoon
[20:41] <halfmoon> Officemax wont return it cuzz theyre buttcusses
[20:41] <SnakDoc> erUSUL there are several just depends what i try to do with it rather its a apt-get upgrade or a dpkg -i install.deb
[20:41] <sebsebseb> G_A_C: yeah same here,  for example when I upgraded the other computer from your beloved 8.04  Yorub  to 8.10 and  then The Internet woudn't work anymore,  turns out  that happended with the Live CD as well
[20:41] <Yorub> G_A_C: It's exactly fresh installs that I'm complaining about (too).
[20:41] <halfmoon> OK OBOTTU
[20:42] <IdleOne> Yorub: I was continuing the thought of most everybody else which is along the lines of you don't have to upgrade if you don't want to. If your looking for long term support and stability then LTS is what you want
[20:42] <dbuell> diogo_79: generally you can check lshw. if there is any hardware that does not have a "module" or it is marked *-DISABLED then it is not "installed"
[20:42] <fccf> !attitude | halfmoon
[20:42] <sebsebseb> Yorub: 8.10 would have been a better  LTS release than 8.04, but nope 8.10 isn't LTS
[20:42] <DougM> how hard would it be to get Photoshop working on Ubuntu?
[20:42] <halfmoon> i know i got it
[20:42] <mordof> diogo_79: i guess the easiest explanation is that there isn't really an easy way like the device manager in xp. stuff gets displayed differently, even if something is using a driver in linux, it may not be a driver that runs it up to par.. so mainly just attempt using what you need to, and if it doesn't work - look for the problem and fix it
[20:42] <fccf> DougM: very hard ... use GIMP
[20:42] <Yorub> IdleOne: Right, and I wholeheartedly agree.
[20:42] <SnakDoc> erUSUL dpkg (subprocess) failed to exec dpkg-deb to extract control information : no such fle or dir
[20:42] <IdleOne> Yorub: so what we arguing about? :)
[20:42] <erUSUL> SnakDoc: :|
[20:43] <sebsebseb> DougM: you can  Wine it, but might have to configure hmm,  also with enough RAM you can run it in a Windows virtual machine
[20:43] <Yorub> IdleOne: (Well, except I'd like more backporting support)
[20:43] <SnakDoc> erUSUL thats what  said :(
[20:43] <Yorub> IdleOne: I was "arguing" with the other party, the frequent upgraders.
[20:43] <mordof> DougM: you'd most likely have better luck in a VM, heh..
[20:43] <dbuell> DougM: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17
[20:43] <sebsebseb> G_A_C: that comment was for you, but I did mention Yorub 's name in it
[20:43] <DougM> fccf: yeah im a web developer and have always used Photoshop
[20:43] <DougM> thanks guys ill check those links out
[20:44] <yuri_dragon_17> can anyone read this?
[20:44] <tvjudge> Im having a brain fart whats the command to see the version of ubuntu im running?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> !version |  tvjudge
[20:44] <G_A_C> tvjudge: probably "lsb_release -a"
[20:44] <sebsebseb> yuri_dragon_17: yes
[20:44] <fccf> DougM: I also do some web work, and I haven't bought a copy of photoshop since 3.0
[20:44] <IdleOne> Yorub: well even those who run ubuntu+1 will tell you not to. latest is not always the greatest.
[20:44] <dbuell> DougM: you should check out gimp. There are also plugins that make gimp more like photoshop. check out google.
[20:44] <erUSUL> SnakDoc: well if you can not use dpkg you can not reinstall dpkg itself... catch 22 situation
[20:44] <sebsebseb> Yorub: if only 8.10 was the LTS :)
[20:45] <sebsebseb> Yorub: or maybe not
[20:45] <tvjudge> sorry i meant kernel version
[20:45] <sebsebseb> Yorub: in certain ways 8.10 is better than 8.04, just like in certain ways 8.10 is better than 9.04
[20:45] <IdleOne> uname -a
[20:45] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I agree, especially because of pulseaudio. What else are you referring to, BTW?
[20:45] <DougM> dbuell alright ill check it out.. i have it on my machine but it just didnt seem to good.  ill look into it some more
[20:45] <SnakDoc> erUSUL there some where to get source for it ??
[20:45] <tvjudge> thats it uname thansk
[20:45] <tvjudge> uname -a
[20:45] <IdleOne> np
[20:45] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yeah  pulseaudio used to be horrible in 8.04,  I am not sure about now
[20:45] <lampliter2> I want to share a folder using NFS.  I can see how to do it using Samba but is there any tool I can use to export via NFS?  Using 9.04
[20:45] <DougM> dbuell: do you know if it works at all with PSD files?
[20:46] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Just as horrible (with some obvious but minimal fixes)
[20:46] <sebsebseb> Yorub: also 8.10 has a nice automatic shut down feature :)  after a minute,  unless it's cancaled or  whatever
[20:46] <mordof> DougM: seems CS works solid in wine
[20:46] <seidos> !version
[20:46] <fccf> DougM: yes GIMP works with PSD files
[20:46] <sebsebseb> Yorub: unfortuatnlly on the desktop 8.10 will  stop being supported next April I think it is
[20:46] <sebsebseb> Yorub: however 9.10 is out next month, and that's meant to be pretty good
[20:47] <seidos> 8.10 was good for me because it had the ath5k driver and I didn't need to use ndiswrapper anymore
[20:47] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Shouldn't 8.10 have been continued by 9.04? Is that a regression or what?
[20:47] <sebsebseb> Yorub: and  I belive it will be,  espeasilly since they will have a proper  kernel for the 10 seconds or so  booting of Ext4 :)
[20:47] <netskillsii> Hello everyone - Need help Grub hangs after selecting to boot Windows 7 boot, error message NONE it only hangs at Starting up. Grub configuration is the same and tried to use bootrec.exe /fixmbr and bootrec.exe /fixboot from windows 7 installation disc.
[20:47] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Will ext4 be used by default?
[20:47] <sebsebseb> Yorub: 9.04 is bad in certain ways,   I nearly left Ubuntu, because of it in fact
[20:47] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yes 9.10 will use Ext4 by default
[20:47] <mordof> DougM; ohh.. can't use a cracked version of photoshop in wine, lol. counts me out xD
[20:47] <vallhalla81> !dvb
[20:47] <wiehan> I use UNR 9.04 on my gigabyte T1028 netbook, my touchscreen causes my whole system to freeze and become completly unresponsive after about 5minutes of use. PLEASE help
[20:47] <seidos> netskillsii: how long did you give grub?
[20:48] <Yorub> sebsebseb: And what about the 10 seconds you mentioned?
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Yorub: of course people that upgrade to it from eerlier verisons with their Ext3, well   I am not sure how good that Ext3 to Ext4 conversion really is
[20:48] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Did you actually just say that it would reboot in 10 seconds?
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Ubuntu with Ext4 boots and shut downs and disk checks really fast :)
[20:48] <DougM> mordof: im not using a cracked version.. its on my works tab
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yep it boots up in about 10 seconds with Ext4
[20:48] <IdleOne> Yorub: that is the goal yes
[20:48] <netskillsii> Its been like this for the past hour, it normally goes right away to Windows 7
[20:48] <mordof> oh that's handy
[20:48] <kholzer> J_P: We can trace it
[20:48] <sebsebseb> Yorub: with older versions,  bsically forget about Ext4, because they don't have in bult support for it
[20:48] <vallhalla81> !tv-out
[20:49] <sebsebseb> Yorub: and you can't just get support for it either
[20:49] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I guess ext3 to ext4 conversion should be smooth, absolutely unnoticeable.
[20:49] <sebsebseb> Yorub: without possbily something going wrong or whatever
[20:49] <kholzer> J_P: Sorry for long response.  But to find which files it touches, we can strace
[20:49] <fccf> !msgthebot | vallhalla81
[20:49] <kholzer> J_P: Did you figure it out?
[20:49] <seidos> sebsebseb: I great alternative to booting up fast is using suspend with abandon
[20:49] <Shara> .
[20:49] <sebsebseb> seidos: What's this?
[20:50] <seidos> sebsebseb: I rarely reboot, but I use suspend to ram
[20:50] <sebsebseb> Yorub: ir  your doing  commercial desktops,   well then yes  usaully better to stay with the LTS,  or some  commercial server, but otherwise,   LTS nah
[20:50] <Yorub> But how can a filesystem upgrade (which is what ext4 is) reduce rebooting time so tremendously?
[20:50] <seidos> Yorub: or if you have work that you need to get done
[20:50] <sebsebseb> Yorub: well you could, but,   8.04 hmm   I already said about 8.10,  I already said about   9.10,  and  I mentioned 9.04 briefly
[20:51] <seidos> Yorub: that's a good question
[20:51] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Ext4 has designed to be much better than  Ext3
[20:51] <Darcc> Which would be a good version of linux for PowerPC, I already use Ubuntu 9.04 on an Intell and would like something similar?
[20:51] <kholzer> Yorub: A filesystem probably won't, but it's implementation can.
[20:51] <mordof> how do i tell what filesystem i'm on? heh
[20:51] <sebsebseb> Yorub: also 9.04 with the optional  Ext4 file system, the same thing fast boot up and that,  however in 9.04 Ext4 is a little hmm, since they don't have proper support for it
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: if you upgrade ext3 to ext4 you dont get the full advantages of ext4
[20:51] <kholzer> Darcc: I'd used gentoo on PPC.
[20:51] <seidos> in windows I don't recall noticing performance boots moving from fat to ntfs
[20:51] <kholzer> Darcc: What do you want to do with it?
[20:52] <dbuell> Darcc: If that is the case why not use Ubuntu 9.04 on the ppc?
[20:52] <kholzer> Darcc: PPC => unmaintained (typically).
[20:52] <seidos> *boosts
[20:52] <netskillsii> Before this problem my battery die while still logged in to Linux then i connected my AC and restarted my computer then proceed on using Ubuntu 8.04 and had all kind of errors on my hdd. so tried repairing but know Ubuntu is fine but my Windows 7 nothing
[20:52] <Yorub> What can there be that is better than upstart already was supposed (or advertised) to be?
[20:52] <tvjudge> thanks for the help everyone bye
[20:52] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: Are you sure about that?
[20:52] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: well it sounds like maybe it will be  good enough when 9.10 is out, but I guess even so, better to clean install and put Ext4 partitions on
[20:52] <grawity> seidos: They might not differ much in performance, but NTFS has a lot other advantages: ACLs, journalling, alternate streams, symlinks/hardlinks, and Unicode support. (Compared to FAT, I mean.)
[20:52] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: Aren't there any good converters?
[20:53] <sebsebseb> Yorub: see above at what I put to him
[20:53] <wiehan> Does anyone have a gigabyte T1028 netbook, I have so many problems with UNR..
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: yes, a proper format and then put the data back on will gain the extra functionality that convert filesystems do not get
[20:53] <Darcc> kholzer internet access, office aps, mmorpg
[20:53] <diogo_79> i whant to install an antivirus program in ubuntu what is the recomendation
[20:53] <erUSUL> !av | diogo_79
[20:53] <sebsebseb> diogo_79: you don't need one
[20:53] <sebsebseb> diogo_79: unless your doing say a email server, and scanning for Windows viruses
[20:54] <sebsebseb> diogo_79: otherwise at this time, you don't need one
[20:54] <erUSUL> diogo_79: clamav is the only one aviable in repos iirc.
[20:54] <kholzer> Darcc: Ubuntu has a PPC version, right?
[20:54] <davix> what can I do if my gnome screen is really distorted (the desktop shows, but its really filled with VERTICAL lines and runing dots, as if the graphic card failed). SiS chipset and onboard graphics card. please help:(
[20:54] <Darcc> I got a message on install of 9.04 saying it will damage my system???
[20:54] <fccf> Darcc: Discussion and support in #ubuntu-powerpc ... not offically supported anymore ... but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[20:54] <kholzer> Darcc: ?!
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> Darcc: at what point?
[20:54] <kholzer> fccf: ah.  thanks.
[20:54] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I expect  9.10 will be way better than 8.04 :)
[20:54] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: Did you mean any difference between "proper format" and "format"?
[20:55] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Too bad that it won't be a LTS (just like 8.10) :)
[20:55] <tyler_d_> I am unable to see my IPOD (mounted and viewable) from within my user account - I am trying to sync using rhythmbox
[20:55] <tyler_d_> ?
[20:55] <tonii> davix: try live-cd (different versions, different drivers), if same problem: get new gfx
[20:55] <sebsebseb> Yorub: no, but 10.04 will be and yes that will also have Ext4 by default
[20:55] <Yorub> sebsebseb: s/a LTS/an LTS/
[20:55] <Darcc> fccf yes I looked at those, no one in ubuntu-powerpc channel
[20:55] <kholzer> davix: does it do it when you boot into a framebuffer (console) mode?
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: a converted file system to ext4 is inferior to wiping all data off and formatting to ext4 properly
[20:55] <erUSUL> davix: reconfigure X 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
[20:56] <adaptr> tyler_d_: look in /var/log/* for evidence it's being seen and mounted, and how
[20:56] <Darcc> Upon opening the disc image?
[20:56] <kholzer> davix: when it POSTS, is it okay?
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Yorub: what was that?
[20:56] <Luvn> How do I find my gateway address?
[20:56] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: I got that
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> Luvn: route | grep default
[20:56] <_Trinity_> hy gnash goes me to errors. One that a sorenson plugin is missing and another than x264 is missing and I have ffmpeg installed. What am I missing? Or do I have to install the entire ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[20:56] <fccf> Darcc: there are 12 others in ppc ... that is not noone ... use the link I gave you ... people are supporting it ... we arn't
[20:56] <Yorub> sebsebseb: A regex. I was correcting my previous reply to you.
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Yorub: LTS hmm
[20:56] <erUSUL> !keys
[20:56] <davix> kholzer, I don't know what POSTS is, but console works perfectly well. its just the X acting up, I've read numerous threads, most of them talking about using VESA driver instead. I want to use this pc as a studio station and VESA is out of the question
[20:57] <sebsebseb> Yorub: is not the  be all and end all,  (I think this is the saying I want)
[20:57] <kholzer> davix: Try VESA to test things though.  Does it work with VESA?  (My suspicion is yes.)
[20:57] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Nothing is
[20:57] <davix> kholzer, it does :/
[20:58] <kholzer> davix: Then you've got something effed up in your xorg.conf.
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> Darcc: its just warning you that the livecd can access partitions if you use it so and may damage data (afaics). Also if you misuse the installer you may lose info also, its just a warning
[20:58] <sebsebseb> Yorub: sometimes  non LTS versions are way better than whatever the current latest LTS  is at the time
[20:58] <sebsebseb> Yorub: was that 8.10 no
[20:58] <kholzer> davix: Try manually setting the monitor settings.
[20:58] <sebsebseb> Yorub: was that  9.04 no way
[20:58] <sebsebseb> Yorub: will  it be 9.10,  yes I think probably so
[20:58] <kholzer> davix: It kind of sounds like monitor settings.
[20:59] <davix> (EE) SIS(0): Illegal video RAM size (262144K) detected, using BIOS-provided info
[20:59] <sebsebseb> Yorub: you should also be able to upgrade   9.10 no problem to 10.04 when that's released
[20:59] <davix> kholzer this is the only EE in my var/log/x (EE) SIS(0): Illegal video RAM size (262144K) detected, using BIOS-provided info
[20:59] <Darcc> ActionParsnip Thank you, do I open the ISO file I downloaded of burn it straight to disc?
[20:59] <DougM> im going to reinstall a fresh install of Gimp... i went into add/remove and thought i removed it but when i go to my home folder and hit ctrl-h it still shows up with all the folders inside.
[21:00] <DougM> what is the bst way to fully remove the application
[21:00] <kholzer> davix: then try poking in the BIOS....
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> Darcc: yu right click the ISO and select "open with" then point to your burning software, this works in windows too
[21:00] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Well, I guess *anything* three versions more recent than an LTS is supposed to be way better than the LTS.
[21:00] <Darcc> :)
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> Darcc: you do not extract the iso or anything like that
[21:00] <erUSUL> DougM: uninstalling a package does not remove the users configuration files
[21:00] <davix> kholzer, I did, my windows boot works ok. I think its the driver
[21:00] <DougM> erUSUL: so if i just delete that folder will it be fine when I reinstall?
[21:00] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Well in that case, why do you want to run the LTS so badly?   That's October 29th when 9.10 comes out by the way
[21:01] <fccf> Doug: sudo apt-get remove --purge gimp  will clear your config files
[21:01] <davix> kholzer, what should I try and change in the monitor setting?
[21:01] <kholzer> davix: It probably is.  Still, try poking with the bios settings.
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> DougM: to remove all configs for gimp run: rm -rf ~/.gimp
[21:01] <tyler_d> adaptr: What specifically am I looking for?
[21:01] <davix> kholzer, I've tried taking down the dedicated ram for GFX but it doesnt change anything, just makes it slower loading
[21:01] <DougM> ActionParsnip: cool thanks a lot
[21:01] <erUSUL> DougM: if remove your config is what you want to do rmove the .gimp dir
[21:02] <adaptr> tyler_d: probably your best bet is udev telling you what it found and what it did with it
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> DougM: most apps have a folder like that to store settings for each app for each user
[21:02] <DougM> which one "rmove the .gimp dir" or "rm -rf ~/.gimp"
[21:02] <kholzer> davix: Look up your  monitor's 'Vertical Refresh Rate' and it's 'Horizontal Sync Frequency'
[21:02] <henjj> I'm using Ubuntu 9.04.  I can connect to my company's VPN using network manager and pptp but I can't browse the shares.  Any idea what the problem might be?
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> DougM: firefox = ~/.mozilla   pidgin = ~/.purple  etc
[21:02] <kholzer> davix: post your xorg.conf to some pastebin site and I can help you graft that stuff in if you want.
[21:02] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Mostly because I don't like to be forced to feel like a second-class Ubuntu citizen only six months later, when everybody is focused on the next version and the LTS.
[21:02] <erUSUL> DougM: mine was not a command just plain english :)
[21:02] <davix> ok kholzer, going at it right now
[21:02] <kholzer> davix: you've just gotta get the documentation for your monitor, it will be in a 'specs' page on their site.
[21:02] <DougM> erUSUL: oh haha ok thanks.. im new to this if you cant tell
[21:03] <`c00> question.. can you actually have different version of python on 1 server machine?
[21:03] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Explain what you meant by that?   Also as I already said  you can probably upgrade to the 10.04  LTS  from 9.10, without any problems.
[21:03] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Sometimes installing a new Ubuntu is quite disrupting. I mean, I like to play with my computer, but I also have work to do.
[21:03] <tyler_d> adaptr: I cannot see much re: the i-pod, however I know where its mounted and can use gparted to see that a. its mounted and b. the device type
[21:03] <nuunuu> `c00: yes
[21:03] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I guess this is the main reason why anybody would stick to an LTS
[21:03] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I see,  well  hard disks can also just fail,  hence why you have back ups,  just like sometimes an upgrade of Ubuntu might go wrong
[21:04] <nuunuu> altho i don't know if you get that from package management
[21:04] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Yeah, I have to agree
[21:04] <minche> hello
[21:04] <sebsebseb> Yorub: normalley yes, but  there may be some exceptions to that
[21:04] <minche> i need some help
[21:04] <adaptr> tyler_d: did you do Scan removable media in rhythmbox ?
[21:04] <`c00> nuunuu, if so how do I set my application to choose which version to use?
[21:04] <sebsebseb> Yorub: 9.10  will probably be a good exception
[21:04] <erUSUL> `c00: yes; jaunty has 2.4 2.5 and 2.6  in repos
[21:04] <eeepc> is hdmi output possible? what's a good card to get?
[21:04] <Petengy> hi to all
[21:04] <nuunuu> `c00: you'd need different names for the executables.
[21:04] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I think I will install 9.10, especially if I keep hearing good things about it
[21:04] <DougM> what is the command line to install gimp?
[21:04] <nuunuu> and use alternatives system or what was it
[21:04] <dbuell> `c00: yes and you can get several different versions (at the same time) from the synaptic package manager
[21:05] <sebsebseb> Yorub: also  woudn't it be cool if you could boot up in like 10 seconds,  instead of 30 or  whatever it is?
[21:05] <eeepc> there is a computer on woot.com today that has it, is this compatible with ubuntu?
[21:05] <Yorub> sebsebseb: And then I'll upgrade to the next LTS
[21:05] <tyler_d> adaptr: I have tried, the plugin is not configurable though, and it usually just shows up on the right
[21:05] <tonii> DougM: apt-get install gimp
[21:05] <shane2peru> DougM: sudo apt-get install gimp
[21:05] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Of course it would! :)
[21:05] <Dyinglight12> hi
[21:05] <DougM> alright cool thanks guys
[21:05] <`c00> thanks for all those who answered.. appreciate your help guys
[21:05] <adaptr> tyler_d: that's odd, I have never had issues with it
[21:05] <Petengy> I'm near to install ubuntu on a pavillion hp laptop, my problem is the internal analogic modem..... any idea ?
[21:05] <shane2peru> DougM you will need sudo with that
[21:05] <minche> i had no sound in ubuntu 9.04, and then i followed some instructions (shich i can link you to if you want) and now there still is no sound, but when i go to the system -> preferences there are 2 sound menus =S
[21:05] <Dyinglight12> can someone help me
[21:05] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yeah that sounds good,  and make sure that's a nice clean install  of 9.10 when it's out,   and haveing a seperate /home is useful,  you can set that up yourself
[21:05] <erUSUL> !dialup | Petengy
[21:05] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I can't wait to see that happen (I still can't believe it, actually)
[21:05] <`c00> I might need to take a look that :)
[21:05] <sebsebseb> !ask |  Dyinglight12
[21:05] <minche> if anyone could help me, please
[21:06] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Thank you for your suggestions
[21:06] <sebsebseb> Yorub: that also makes re installing  or even changing distros much easier
[21:06] <Dyinglight12> i need help installing this via sd card since im on a netbook
[21:06] <sebsebseb> Yorub: when you got seperate /hoem
[21:06] <davix> kholzer, this is my xorg.conf (http://pastebin.ca/1562459) and this is my screen make/model (Nec AccuSync 73V LCD - can't find it on their website - only the newer version) is it the same?
[21:06] <Petengy> erUSUL: I'll try TnX :)
[21:06] <sebsebseb> !md5sum  |  Yorub
[21:07] <sebsebseb> Yorub: and that's a good idea to do for any Ubuntu ISO
[21:07] <shane2peru> Yorub: I always keep /home as a separate partition, it is very good idea
[21:07] <minche> please?
[21:07] <sebsebseb> !patience |  minche
[21:07] <shane2peru> sebsebseb: out of curiosity, have you ever had a bad download?
[21:07] <davix> kholzer this is the new Accusync specs, I wonder if it workss: Horizontal 31.5 kHz to 81.1 kHz (Analog/Digital) / Vertical 56 to 76 Hz
[21:07] <sebsebseb> shane2peru: maybe once or twice  with some ISO,  ,but in that case quite a while ago
[21:08] <sebsebseb> shane2peru: 99% of the time the download will be good
[21:08] <hwilde> hi I have a webcam connected to my computer via ethernet.  the IP of the webcam is unknown.  can I discover it with the right combination of tcpdump and broadcast pings ?
[21:08] <kholzer> davix: Cool :)
[21:08] <sebsebseb> shane2peru: or whatever the percentage is
[21:08] <davix> kholzer, how do I set up my xorg now? where do I put these config specs?
[21:08] <minche> it's really bugging me
[21:08] <minche> and i fixed it last time there was no sound
[21:08] <minche> but now i cant remember what i did
[21:08] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Thank you for your help! :)
[21:08] <shane2peru> sebsebseb: I mean to really warrant md5sum?
[21:08] <kholzer> davix: I'll do it in another pastebin for you
[21:08] <davix> kholzer, oh thank you
[21:08] <grawity> hwilde: If it does respond to broadcast pings, then tcpdump is unneeded. ping <IP_ADDRESS> would show all ping replies anyway.
[21:08] <kholzer> davix: got to do some reading of man xorg.conf
[21:08] <sebsebseb> Yorub: no problem
[21:09] <grawity> hwilde: If it doesn't -- there are tools such as nmap, that can do subnet scans.
[21:09] <sebsebseb> shane2peru: I think it's more important to do it if you get the ISO from a dodgy source, but  even if you don't,  still a good idea I guess
[21:09] <shane2peru> sebsebseb: right, I perhaps have had one or two, I don't even check md5sum any more. :)
[21:09] <erUSUL> davix: a quick way of getting a xorg.conf to modify is using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg'
[21:09] <shane2peru> sebsebseb: it is good practice, I just don't do it. :)
[21:09] <hwilde> grawity, what if my ethernet IP is not on the right subnet
[21:09] <MeXTuX> I installed a RAID 1 on a Ubuntu Server. How can I check if the files are being duplicated as expected??
[21:10] <kholzer> erUSUL: trying to debug something, davix, wait....
[21:10] <sebsebseb> Yorub: 8.04 will probably be  a kind of joke compared to 9.10 :D
[21:10] <davix> kholzer, i'm with you
[21:10] <kholzer> davix: k
[21:10] <grawity> hwilde: Doesn't the webcam have any docs?
[21:10] <minche> please, can anyone at least show me where i could find some help
[21:10] <erUSUL> MeXTuX: remove one of the disks of the array. try to access the array (read only) in degraded mode
[21:10] <fccf> hwilde: consider using wireshark to see all packets on your ethernet
[21:10] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I hope so
[21:11] <shane2peru> Yorub: there are many improvments over 8.04, I have two boxes running 8.04, mine is running 9.04
[21:11] <Yorub> sebsebseb: It has to, at least because it's the latest
[21:11] <sebsebseb> Yorub: same here, but also hopefuly compared to 9.04 :)
[21:11] <hwilde> grawity, it has docs, but it has already been configured, and there is no factory reset (it's a security camera and they claim that would make it insecure)
[21:11] <henjj>  I'm using Ubuntu 9.04.  I can connect to my company's VPN using network manager and pptp but I can't browse the shares.  Any idea what the problem might be?
[21:11] <fccf> !ask | minche
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> hwilde: if the cam is on a different subnet you will need some switching / router to get the traffic onto the other network, or you can edit your current subnet to conform to the camera
[21:11] <sebsebseb> Yorub: newer is not always better,   for example 9.04 and 8.10 or even 8.04,  depending on user and hardware
[21:12] <grawity> hwilde: Maybe you know an IP address of some other machine in the old network?
[21:12] <Yorub> sebsebseb: I know, but 8.04 is getting quite old, so I guess soon everything will be better than that :)
[21:12] <hwilde> grawity, we bought it from Seagate when they went out of business :)
[21:12] <hossam> hello! is there a screensaver mode that will dim the screen (set opacity) to a certain level?
[21:12] <Yorub> sebsebseb: s/everything/anything/
[21:12] <dbuell> minche: try the forums...
[21:12] <sebsebseb> Yorub: exactly it's getting quite old,  and  Ext4  is so worth having 9.10 for
[21:12] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yes the boot up time again I am on about here
[21:13] <dbuell> minche: there is a lot of information regarding sound setup
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> sebsebseb: ext4 is only default, ext3 is still an option
[21:13] <kholzer> davix: try removing the usefbdev option in the "Device" section; do you have that there for a reason?
[21:13] <sebsebseb> Yorub: even in 9.04 it's worth it, depending on user and data,  because it's still a bit dodgy in 9.04 as I already put
[21:13] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: I know
[21:13] <Yorub> sebsebseb: What's worth it in 9.04?
[21:13] <kholzer> davix: You might also be able to use DPMS (automatic capability reporting protocol); lemme see if your monitor has it.
[21:14] <dbuell> minche: sorry I can't help without more information.
[21:14] <davix> kholzer, part of me trying to follow threads about fixing it
[21:14] <Yorub> sebsebseb: The ext4 file system?
[21:14] <sebsebseb> Yorub:  hardly anything is worth  it in 9.04 really
[21:14] <davix> kholzer, removed
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: newer hardware may benefit from the newer kernel
[21:14] <kholzer> davix: Without it, it is still broken?
[21:14] <sebsebseb> Yorub: worth having 9.04 for,  except Ext4 maybe, depending on user and data as I already said,  because as I already said a bit dodgy in 9.04, since the kernel they have and that
[21:14] <davix> kholzer, yup
[21:14] <davix> kholzer, was broken with and without it
[21:15] <sebsebseb> Yorub: when I said worth having I meant upgrading from 8.04 or 8.10
[21:15] <davix> kholzer, i just left it there because it did no harm :)
[21:15] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: What kernel will Karmic use?
[21:15] <PenStand> when will ubuntu 9.10 be released?
[21:15] <sebsebseb> Yorub: something rather receant
[21:15] <fccf> !karmic
[21:15] <sebsebseb> Yorub: the  2.6.31 kernel series or whatever
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: 2.6.31
[21:15] <ManDay> I dont have an LC_ALL - what can I do about it?
[21:15] <ManDay> nor do I have a LOCALE
[21:15] <kholzer> davix: ok, add the following to the "Monitor" section: `Option "DPMS" "on"` (inside the backticks)
[21:16] <IdleOne> !locale
[21:16] <Yorub> sebsebseb, ActionParsnip: I suspect part of the reason why it will boot in ten seconds is the implementation of kernel-based mode setting (IIUC).
[21:16] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I don't think so
[21:16] <PenStand> is there an LTS for ubuntu 9.04?
[21:16] <hossam> kholzer: check your pm
[21:16] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Why?
[21:16] <sebsebseb> Yorub: ,because  9.04 with Ext4  boots up  like  Karmic  alpha  with Ext4
[21:16] <davix> ok done, kholzer no ctrl+alt+backspace?
[21:16] <rww> PenStand: no. The current LTS is 8.04, the next one will be 10.04 or 10.10.
[21:16] <fccf> !lts | PenStand
[21:16] <GLG> unknown variables wireless_link and linkstatus in conky anyone have the alternitives?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: maybe, maybe you have implemented extra boot options and system settings to speed up bootup
[21:16] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Almost just as fast?
[21:17] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yep  I noticed no difference regarding the speed
[21:17] <PenStand> !Hardy
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: dont forget, bootup isnt a gauge of speed. id rather have a slower boot for faster actual desktop performance
[21:17] <hanasaki> what can open and edit a photoshop file psd
[21:17] <hanasaki> ?
[21:17] <Yorub> sebsebseb: And is it booting in around ten seconds??
[21:17] <sebsebseb> Yorub: yep
[21:17] <fccf> hanasaki: gimp
[21:17] <kholzer> davix: I'd reboot from scratch....
[21:17] <davix> kholzer, it didn't fix it :/
[21:17] <DougM> hanasaki: gimp
[21:17] <davix> kholzer ok rebooting
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> hanasaki: gimp perhaps
[21:17] <kholzer> davix: I'm paranoid about that kind of thing
[21:17] <sebsebseb> Yorub: I used to not like it doing the disk check much, after 23 or so boots, because that would take a while, but  with Ext4 that's done in seconds
[21:17] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: Not that there is some trade-off between the two.
[21:18] <GLG> unknown variables wireless_link and linkstatus in conky anyone have the alternitives?
[21:18] <davix> kholzer, whatever works, (now its loading again
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: true, but dont get tied up with boot time, its very trivial
[21:18] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Again, that's amazing.
[21:18] <hanasaki> does gimp open it as a bitmap or can I move / edit shapes of the psd ?
[21:18] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: meaning?
[21:18] <fccf> !ot | ActionParsnip sebsebseb Yorub
[21:18] <Travis-43> Is there an easy way to make ssh connect using a proxy? (I can't access the end ssh server without proxying through another one first)
[21:19] <davix> kholzer, no good :(
[21:19] <kholzer> could you ssh into the 'proxy' and then ssh from there?
[21:19] <kholzer> davix: lemme see, well try something else. Leave that option in though.
[21:19] <hanasaki> is there a single tools in Ubuntu that can open edit save maybe convert from illustrator to photoshop?  gimp? inkscape?  what would be a great tool to do logo graphics with?
[21:19] <davix> kholzer, what ever you tell me, I'll do.
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> hanasaki: psd is proprietary so I dont believe so
[21:19] <tyler_d> In nautilus when I go to computer, and double click my IPOD, USB Drive I get "unable to mount location"
[21:20] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: I know, but Hardy boots up *real* slow.
[21:20] <Travis-43> kholzer: the problem with that, is that I need to use a private key to connect, and that private key is on this computer, not the proxy computer
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: its offtopic here
[21:20] <kholzer> Travis-43: sorry, I dunno
[21:20] <kholzer> :(
[21:20] <sebsebseb> Yorub: this is all a bit off topic now for in here really, also  there's even a video on youtube  Windows 7 RC   vs  Ubuntu Karmic Alpha 2  boot up, i'll give the link in pm
[21:20] <Yorub> ActionParsnip: As long as Hardy is still supported, it should be on-topic.
[21:20] <fccf> hanasaki: inkscape is a vector graphics editor .. much like illustrator ... and gimp is linux's equivelent to photoshop
[21:21] <Travis-43> kholzer: np, thanks
[21:21] <Yorub> sebsebseb: Got it, thanks.
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Yorub: its not a support question, its random chatter #ubuntu is for support only, #ubuntu-offtopic is for ubuntu-related chatter
[21:21] <DougM> how do I find out if i have the jaunty or hardy package?
[21:22] <Steil> im horny
[21:22] <fccf> !version | DougM
[21:22] <ManDay> IdleOne, it didnt help
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> DougM: lsb_release -c
[21:22] <tyler_d> gnome-mount -vbd /dev/sda1 gives me "** (gnome-mount:8879): DEBUG: Mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_72D5_2E66 with mount_point='MYPOD', fstype='', num_options=6"
[21:22] <ManDay> I STILL dont have an LC_ALL
[21:22] <hanasaki> fccf:  kinda new to the graphics stuff... what woudyou do a logo in if it was you?  what would you inkscape for vs gimp? blender?
[21:23] <sebsebseb> Yorub: Ext3 is a joke compared  to  Ext4  when it comes to boot up, it really is, and since Ext4  is  default in 9.10 when that's released, that's one major advantage it will have over previous versions.
[21:23] <DougM> cool thanks guys
[21:23] <dbuell> !best | hanasaki
[21:23] <fccf> hanasaki: I'd use inkscape to create svg's ... and create jpegs from there
[21:23] <kholzer> davix: which model is it again?
[21:23] <kholzer> davix: (the video card that is)
[21:24] <dbuell> hanasaki: though personally I use inkscape for logos...
[21:24] <Lunatic> How do I know which kernel modules I need and which are needless
[21:24] <ManDay> Can anyone tell me how to fix my LC_ALL? I have none, which is a problem. I keep getting errors all over the place. sometimes something like "/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"!!!
[21:25] <davix> kholzer, I know its an SiS, how can I tell the exact model? what command should I use?
[21:25] <kholzer> davix: does it show up when you lspci?
[21:25] <kholzer> davix: it is probably agp; lemme look for a second
[21:25] <diogo_792> guys is there a good tutorial for installing clamav in ubuntu 9.04
[21:25] <diogo_792> ?
[21:25] <davix> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 04)
[21:25] <davix> Khisanth
[21:25] <sebsebseb> diogo_792: did you miss my messages?
[21:25] <davix> kholzer even
[21:26] <diogo_792> yeap
[21:26] <diogo_792> sorry
[21:26] <davix> khozler: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 04)
[21:26] <sebsebseb> diogo_792: you don't need AV at this time in Linux, unless for example your running a  email server which is scanning for Windows viruses
[21:26] <sebsebseb> !av | diogo_792
[21:26] <fccf> ManDay: have you run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[21:26] <ManDay> yes fccf
[21:26] <Mike_lifeguard> How can I hash a file on ubuntu? (md5)
[21:26] <kholzer> davix: is it a homebuilt computer?
[21:26] <sebsebseb> !md5sum | Mike_lifeguard
[21:26] <diogo_792> ok thanks
[21:27] <ManDay> fccf, thats what brings up that error
[21:27] <kholzer> davix: if so, could you give me the motherboard info?  if not, could you give me the make/model?
[21:27] <Gnea> diogo_792: simple matter of installing it with fresh-clamav to do automatic daily updates to the virus db
[21:27] <ManDay> i ve uninstalled some language related stuff recently - what may have cause this?
[21:27] <Mike_lifeguard> sebsebseb: Thanks - do you also know how I can set a command alias?
[21:27] <sebsebseb> Mike_lifeguard: what's that?
[21:27] <fccf> ManDay: pehaps you need to 'sudo apt-get install language-pack-en'
[21:27] <jiffe> alright, I have 2 interfaces, eth0 and eth1, I tried to do an ifdown eth1 which seemed to complete successfully, it updated /var/run/network/ifstate, but ifconfig -a still shows eth1 as up it would appear
[21:28] <Mike_lifeguard> sebsebseb: you say "ls" and the computer does "ls -l"
[21:28] <Mike_lifeguard> sebsebseb: of you say "md5" and the computer does "md5sum"
[21:28] <kholzer> Mike_lifeguard: alias blah="blah blah"
[21:28] <ManDay> fccf, yes, thats what i uninstalled
[21:28] <whileimhere> Hello I have an ASUS eeePC 1005(HA) I am having issues getting the wired and wireless network to work. I have followed the instructions on http://www.jfwhome.com/2009/08/06/perfect-ubuntu-jaunty-on-the-asus-eeepc-1005ha-and-1008ha/ and when I attempt to compile the driver I get an Error 2 on the make command. Does anyone know anything about this?
[21:28] <Mike_lifeguard> kholzer: Will that persist over sessions?
[21:28] <kholzer> Mike_lifeguard: no
[21:28] <sebsebseb> Mike_lifeguard: oh  shortcuts  for the terminal?  and no I don't  know about that
[21:28] <fccf> ManDay: prolly should put that back in
[21:28] <Mike_lifeguard> kholzer: is that possible?
[21:28] <kholzer> Mike_lifeguard: set it in ~/.bashrc
[21:28] <kholzer> Mike_lifeguard: yeah.
[21:28] <Travis-43> q
[21:28] <Travis-43> :q
[21:28] <Travis-43> exit
[21:28] <Mike_lifeguard> same format there?
[21:29] <kholzer> Mike_lifeguard: Yup
[21:29] <Mike_lifeguard> Travis-43: /quit
[21:29] <kholzer> (I think....)
[21:29] <hanasaki> dbuell:  inkscape or gimp can you make a 3D shape and then rotate and stretch it?
[21:29]  * Mike_lifeguard will experiment
[21:29] <Mike_lifeguard> thx
[21:29] <Gnea> !eeepc | whileimhere (also check out the #ubuntu-eeepc channel)
[21:29] <whileimhere> Thanks
[21:30] <ManDay> whileimhere, you will get problems with your graphics driver :P
[21:30] <ManDay> im currently facing them
[21:30] <hacktop> hey people
[21:30] <dbuell> hanasaki: you can do that in inkscape, but if you are wanting to do 3d I would suggest blender
[21:30] <henjj>  I'm using Ubuntu 9.04.  I can connect to my company's VPN using network manager and pptp but I can't browse the shares.  Any idea what the problem might be?
[21:30] <fccf> hanasaki: only in 2D ... 3D is a whole different animal ... blender, and pov-ray are options
[21:30] <Lunatic> How do I know which kernel modules I need and which are needless?
[21:31] <davix> kholzer its not home made, I got it from a store a couple of years ago, my dad used it up untill now but now I am using it. how can I get the model?
[21:31] <hanasaki> fccf: don't see pov-ray in the repository... .
[21:31] <jiffe> any idea why ifdown on eth1 wouldn't actually take eth1 down?
[21:31] <kholzer> davix:  hmm.  What does it say on the front?
[21:32] <fccf> hanasaki: it is povray
[21:32] <hanasaki> thanks
[21:32] <miguelonnnn> hi , when i type sudo iwconfig eth1 key s:mykey i get "invalid argument error for wireless request "set encode" (8B2A). Do you know what could it be?
[21:32] <kholzer> Davix, is it HP, compaq, or what?
[21:32] <fccf> !info povray
[21:32] <davix> kholzer, nope brandless
[21:32] <diogo_792> it is possibl to view videos in mms format
[21:32] <diogo_792> i have videos that runs only with the media player
[21:32] <kholzer> davix: hmm are you at all willing to think about getting a different card?  They can be pretty cheap; cheaper than fixing this stuff sometimes... :/
[21:33] <kholzer> davix: I fought with a sound card for two weeks, then went out and bought one I knew would work, and it was instantaneous and perfect.... :/
[21:34] <kholzer> davix: I'm just almost out of ideas...
[21:34] <davix> kholzer if I won't be able to use it like this, i'll probably just use windows, reason I got it was mainly because I'm low on funds lately. my friend did give me some ATI PCIE card but that one failed to load via bios
[21:34] <davix> kholzer you did exhusted yourself. it is futile i believe now
[21:34] <kholzer> davix: hmm...
[21:34] <g2no11ah2> I need help installing the desktop version, can anyone help?
[21:34] <fccf> diogo_792: I believe there is a ppa @ http://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppa - search for mms there
[21:34] <sebsebseb> g2no11ah2: probably
[21:34] <davix> g2no11ah2, burn/boot/install voila
[21:34] <fccf> !ask | g2no11ah2
[21:35] <sebsebseb> g2no11ah2: What is the problem exactly?
[21:35] <g2no11ah2> I get to the initramfs prompt and don't know what to do.  Need gnome...
[21:35] <mauro_> hello, does someone know how to batch resize and rename with imagemagick?
[21:35] <fccf> davix: In a perfect world
[21:35] <kholzer> davix: look on craigslist for a video card or something; one can even get them new for around $20...
[21:35] <mengu> hi. when i start terminal, i don't want it to start with in file system, but in my /home/mengu. is there any way i can change this?
[21:36] <g2no11ah2> I get to the initramfs prompt and don't know what to do.  Need gnome...
[21:36] <davix> kholzer, I will try to get a hang of some other gfx card, untill then I'll use vesa. hopefully i'll find something
[21:36] <kholzer> davix: or see if someone more über than me cna help :/
[21:36] <davix> kholzer thanks for your dedicated help
[21:36] <pleo> i need some help i know it is not the right place to ask but nobody is giving me answer in the corrent channel, because im new in ubuntu i decide to ask here. HOW CAN I CHANGE DEFAUL FOLDER OF svftpd to the folder of apach server /var/www/
[21:36] <kholzer> *can
[21:36] <pleo> ?
[21:36] <FloodBot1> pleo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:36] <kholzer> no problem
[21:37] <pleo> can anyone help me
[21:37] <ManDay> My LC_ALL is STILL empty!!!
[21:37] <kholzer> pleo: edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[21:37] <mauro_> this is what i'm doing ------> convert -resize 160x120 *.jpg *-small.jpg <------ but it renames them with the * instead of the original name plus "-small", what am I doing wrong?
[21:37] <g2no11ah2> I get to the initramfs prompt and don't know what to do.  Need gnome...
[21:38] <kholzer> mauro_: the * gets expanded by the shell rather than convert.
[21:38] <kholzer> mauro_: you could write a little python script to do it
[21:38] <miguelonnnn> hi , when i type sudo iwconfig eth1 key s:mykey i get "invalid argument error for wireless request "set encode" (8B2A). Do you know what could it be?
[21:39] <Myrtti> mauro_: for file in *.jpg;do conver -resize 160x120 $file $file-small.jpg;done
[21:39] <henjj>  I'm using Ubuntu 9.04.  I can connect to my company's VPN using network manager and pptp but I can't browse the shares.  Does any one have any idea what I should do to try and figure out what the problem is?
[21:39] <fccf> mauro_: perhaps use a different output directory .. and rename them after using rn
[21:39] <kholzer> Myrtti: damned bash... ;)
[21:39] <ManDay> My LC_ALL is STILL empty!!! Can anyone tell me how to fix it? I uninstalled ome language-related packages recently - but I dont know what broke it. I already tried localepurge and reinstaleld language-pack-en(-base)
[21:39] <kholzer> mauro_: listen to Myrtti
[21:39] <mengu> when i start the terminal, i don't want it to start with in file system, but in my /home/mengu. is there any way i can change this?
[21:39] <miguelonnnn> henjj what's your company server? samba?
[21:40] <henjj> windows 2003
[21:40] <kholzer> mauro_: (but don't do that yourself, do python instead of bash ;)
[21:40] <g2no11ah2> I get to the initramfs prompt and don't know what to do.  Need gnome...
[21:40] <fccf> ManDay: did you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales after you reinstalled the english locale
[21:41] <miguelonnnn> run smbclient //server.domain/yourdevice -U YourUser -W YourWorkGroup
[21:41] <mauro_> thx Myrtti sounds great but it's giving me this error : "convert: missing an image filename `-small.jpg' @ wand/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2710."
[21:41] <miguelonnnn> you'll be prompted for a pass, type your pass and you're in
[21:42] <henjj> miguelonnnn: thanks, I'll give it a try
[21:42] <Myrtti> mauro_: "${file}"-output.jpg then, or somehting
[21:43] <fccf> mengu ... is there a ~ in your terminal .... that is home
[21:44] <nemesis1911> hi
[21:44] <fccf> !hi |nemesis1911
[21:44] <nemesis1911> I'm trying to get my PVR-150 going on Ubuntu 9.04.. and it won't work..
[21:45] <mengu> fccf: nope. but i have just noticed something. when i open the terminal via the menu, it starts in my home directory. but when i open with a keyboard shortcut, it starts with /
[21:45] <Mike_lifeguard> Could someone help me with an issue with burning ISOs to CD? I consistently get errors resulting in either a coaster, or the simulated burning failing ( brasero log at http://p.defau.lt/?9ZeoqDy6lNm98CHbYYXZWQ )
[21:45] <Turbolinux> Is anyone use PulseAudio here? Are you like it?
[21:46] <nemesis1911> its a hauppauge PVR-150 card .. the OS sees it.. its just that the software that I get don't work with it for some reason
[21:46] <henjj> miguelonnnn:  what would yourdevice be?
[21:46] <nemesis1911> anyone?
[21:46] <ferdek>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:46] <nemesis1911> Zapping Tv Viewer .. crashes.. .. it don't even open
[21:47] <Gnea> nemesis1911: try tvtime
[21:47] <fccf> mengu: what commnad is your KB shortcut running?
[21:47] <Gnea> nemesis1911: zapping is a bit ancient and lacking
[21:47] <tyler_d> My IPOD will not mount so that my local user can view it
[21:47] <mengu> gnome-terminal
[21:47] <mengu> i've also tried gnome-terminal /home/mengu
[21:47] <mengu> but didn't work
[21:47] <nemesis1911> Gnea: what do I use then for hauppauge pvr-150 to work on Ubuntu 9.04
[21:48] <Gnea> !ipod | tyler_d
[21:48] <Gnea> nemesis1911: did you try tvtime?
[21:48] <Gnea> !info tvtime
[21:48] <racha> dbuell : Are u here ?:D
[21:48] <mauro_> kholzer but how do u that in phyton?
[21:48] <mattfred> I'm trying to install a windows xp on a machine that currently has ubuntu 9.04 installed and the installer says that I have no hard drive
[21:48] <sebsebseb> mattfred:  Putting XP on why?
[21:48] <ManDay> yes fccf i did
[21:49] <Oyranos50> ?
[21:49] <Aethelred> I'm looking at Netbooks. Halitech suggested System76. Anyone else have experience or recommendations on a GNU/Linux netbook?
[21:49] <ManDay> and this time i got no error message fccf
[21:49] <Aethelred> The System76 Starling has a pretty small screen. I would prefer one that was a little larger.
[21:49] <ManDay> still LC_ALL is ""
[21:49] <Gnea> mattfred: you'll need to repartition your hard drive to make sure there's space on it for XP
[21:49] <mattfred> sadly i need to use the computer with a scientific instrument that won't run under wine
[21:49] <Steil> im horny
[21:50] <LjL> Steil: we really don't care
[21:50] <mattfred> can i just reformat in ubuntu or at least make a partition?
[21:50] <Gnea> !ot | Steil
[21:50] <sebsebseb> mattfred: are you going to dual boot Ubuntu and XP?
[21:50] <miguelonnnn> hnjj, it would be your folder
[21:50] <miguelonnnn> henjj it'd be your folder
[21:50] <Steil> how do i setup rtorrent on ubuntu?
[21:50] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ?
[21:50] <trism> mengu: what you want is gnome-terminal --working-directory=~
[21:50] <Xerran> racha: X-fi?
[21:50] <mattfred> sebsebseb: no i think because of the instrument I need to be in XP all the time
[21:51] <miguelonnnn> for example, //yourjob.domain.com/directoryOFHenjj
[21:51] <sebsebseb> mattfred: ,because of the what?
[21:51] <racha> Xerran : C-Media 5.1 if u need i will give u link
[21:51] <Gnea> mattfred: you should be able to resize whatever partition you have the most space left on in ubuntu (use the livecd) and use the remaining free space to make a new partition (make sure it's parimary, not logical)
[21:51] <mattfred> sebsebseb: a scientific instrument i need to use
[21:51] <racha> Xerran: http://www.cmedia.com.tw/pci_cmI8768.html
[21:51] <Gnea> sebsebseb: best not to ask any further :)
[21:51] <Xerran> racha: sorry I only have X-fi
[21:51] <sebsebseb> mattfred:  How much RAM do you have?  Are you sure you can't do whatever you want to do in XP VM?
[21:51] <mattfred> Gnea: Can I just reformat the drive using the livecd?
[21:51] <racha> Xerran: ok
[21:51] <henjj> miguelonnnn: thanks.  Also, should I put that command in the terminal? or should i run it by hitting alt+f2?
[21:51] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ?
[21:51] <Gnea> Xerran: is that the usb one?
[21:52] <Xerran> racha: i know for fact there is no 5.1 support on that card
[21:52] <nemesis1911> hey guys in tvtime I get "ivtv: Invalid argument Cannont open capture device /dev/video0" but when I open capture device in VLC it work for the one channel
[21:52] <Gnea> mattfred: do you want to reinstall ubuntu as well?
[21:52] <racha> Xerran; on what card ?
[21:52] <Xerran> Gnea: no
[21:52] <mattfred> sebsebseb: I tried using VMware and it wouldn't recognize the usb connection on my computer
[21:52] <sebsebseb> mattfred: ok well what about Virtualbox ?
[21:52] <minche> i think i found a solution to my problem, but now whenever i try to run alsamixher, or aplay -l in terminal it says that it is not installed, and when i do szdo apt- get install alsa-utils it say it is already installed
[21:52] <[bandi]> üdv
[21:52] <mattfred> Gnea: no this computer is getting relegated to lab status
[21:52] <nemesis1911> hauppauge PVR-150
[21:52] <seidos> Xerran: is there 5.1 support on any cards in Ubuntu?
[21:52] <Gnea> nemesis1911: are you part of the video group?
[21:52] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ? Pleas
[21:52] <sebsebseb> mattfred: Does your USB work?
[21:52] <fccf> mengu: I setup a kb shortcut using .. System>Preferences>Keyboard shortcuts .. and it opens to my home ... strange
[21:53] <Gnea> mattfred: ah ok. you should be able to do the whole thing with the XP install disk
[21:53] <racha> seidos: i get my C-Media to work 5.1 on OSS with ubuntu but i need some suport
[21:53] <Xerran> seidos: I only know that the creative X-fi currently has no 5.1 support
[21:53] <sebsebseb> Gnea: hmm uhmm hmm :D
[21:53] <sebsebseb> Gnea: uh hmm I meant
[21:53] <Gnea> sebsebseb: clearly it's not a personal system :)
[21:53] <mattfred> sebsebseb: yes the USB works fine otherwise and I'm really not that interested in keeping Ubuntu. This computer is going in a lab where its only purpose will be to run this instrument. I've got linux on my other computer so don't worry about that
[21:53] <mengu> fccf: thanks. trism's suggestion worked. :)
[21:53] <sebsebseb> mattfred: if  the USB works  on your system, you could  use Virtualbox for your USB device in a Windows VM
[21:53] <nemesis1911> how can I fix ivit Invalid arguments to make my hauppauge pvr-150 work
[21:53] <mattfred> Gnea: the XP install disk says I have no hard drive
[21:54] <sebsebseb> mattfred: ah right ok
[21:54] <seidos> racha: I don't have a 5.1 capable card, and I'm using pulseaudio, I wouldn't be much help
[21:54] <Gnea> mattfred: there's a way to make it work right - check out ##windows, they will know better
[21:54] <miguelonnnn> henjj  it'd be better in terminal, because then you can see any problem, and besides you'll be asked for a password, and i'm not sure if altf2 will ask it to you
[21:54] <sebsebseb> mattfred: well that's ashame that whatever  it is needs  Windows,  but  sure what Gnea said
[21:54] <sebsebseb> mattfred: regarding  the partitining
[21:54] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ? Please
[21:54] <Gnea> !sound | racha
[21:54] <mattfred> thanks guys I just figured it was something with the journaling that the XP disk wouldn't recognize
[21:55] <racha> Gnea: btw. it dont work on ALSA
[21:55] <Gnea> racha: what soundcard is it?
[21:55] <racha> Gnea : http://www.cmedia.com.tw/pci_cmI8768.html
[21:55] <seidos> irssi is cooler than cool
[21:55] <nemesis1911> any one wanna help me with MY PVR??? ;-(
[21:56] <seidos> !irssi
[21:56] <mengu> thanks trism.
[21:56] <trism> mengu: np, all I did was look at gnome-terminal --help...always a good place to start
[21:56] <thewizord> ikonia: the ban of fogobogo was unjustified and a violation of the Europian Union.
[21:56] <mengu> lol thanks
[21:56] <erUSUL> lol
[21:57] <ikonia> thewizord: that is not for this channel
[21:57] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ? Please
[21:57] <JuJuBee> I need some help with a USB HD.  I have a 160G external drive and it works fine  with my laptop.  When I connect to desktop, /var/log/messages gives this http://paste.ubuntu.com/269397/
[21:58] <racha> USB HDD not USB HD
[21:58] <JuJuBee> and the drive does not mount.
[21:58] <asmm> hi - if i install ubuntu on my laptop - how do i know it will install my wireless card drivers??
[21:58] <asmm> i mean.. that it will have drivers for them
[21:58] <asmm> ??
[21:58] <Gnea> nemesis1911: if you want help, you need to answer some questions, like the last one I asked that you ignored.
[21:59] <racha> asmm: it will auto install all driver if he find them :)
[21:59] <asmm> isnt there a list of compatible wireless drivers
[21:59] <erUSUL> asmm: try the livecd
[21:59] <asmm> so i know i shouldnt waste my time
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> asmm: boot to liveCD, run: sudo lshw -C network
[21:59] <asmm> ??
[21:59] <erUSUL> !hcl | asmm
[21:59] <Gnea> !wireless | asmm
[21:59] <asmm> hmm
[21:59] <racha> asmm: u can try live CD
[21:59] <asmm> action: okay sounds good
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> asmm: you can then see how linux sees the device and you can websearch from there
[22:00] <nemesis1911> .. what is the best TV TUNER PROGRAM that works?? :-)
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> asmm: it may even work out of the box, mine do
[22:00] <asmm> i will try the live CD then
[22:00] <erUSUL> asmm: if it works 8or you can make it work) in the livecd it will work when installed
[22:00] <asmm> can i boot from USB??
[22:00] <JuJuBee> racha : do you have any ideas about my external drive?
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> !best | nemesis1911
[22:00] <racha> asmm: it will auto install all driver if he find them :)
[22:00] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee>Is it possible that you had it mounted in windoze and did not "safely remove hardware?
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> !usb | asmm
[22:00] <Gnea> !helpme | nemesis1911
[22:00] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ? Please
[22:00] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: what do I do about it?
[22:00] <AMethyst> hi I have a quick simple question about partitioning through fdisk can someone help me out?
[22:00] <Gnea> !patience | racha
[22:00] <erUSUL> !ask | AMethyst
[22:00] <clearscreen> !ask | AMethyst
[22:00] <nemesis1911> !helpme
[22:00] <racha> JuJubee: look i am noob for ubuntu like :
[22:00] <AMethyst> thanks
[22:01] <asmm> hey action: how will it install drivers with a live cd?? it shudnt install anything
[22:01] <racha> JuJubee: look i am noob for ubuntu *
[22:01] <JuJuBee> racha : ok
[22:01] <AMethyst> I'm trying to use ubiquity but it's having trouble so i'm just going to use fdisk,. i want to delete and repartition /dev/sda2 to use as dualbooting system
[22:01] <wwjd> I'm a newbie as well, can't seem to find the right architecture for enlightenment :\
[22:01] <AMethyst> how do I delete /dev/sda2 and redo the partitions for install?
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> asmm: yuo can install apps, you can install them to a ram drive
[22:01] <AMethyst> I want a reisferfs and swap partitino right?
[22:01] <erUSUL> AMethyst: why not use gparted
[22:01] <asmm> action oh okay
[22:01] <racha> Gnea: i repet my Question because allways someone  joined and someone leave this room
[22:01] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee>Remount it in Winbloze then click on "Safely remove Hardware" to unmount.
[22:01] <asmm> action: do you reccomend ubuntu over debian?
[22:02] <AMethyst> erUSUL: it's backtrack 4 pre install gparted doesn't seem to work
[22:02] <clearscreen> asmm: matter of personal preference
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: you can boot to livecd then repartition, you will lose all data on the partition you manipyulate if you format to reiserfs
[22:02] <asmm> clear: i wantto try debian
[22:02] <AMethyst> i want to killl /dev/sda2 three's nothing on tha tparitition
[22:02] <clearscreen> asmm: then do so :P
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> asmm: i dont recommend any distro over any other
[22:02] <fccf> !best | asmm ... and not a topic of discussion here
[22:02] <wwjd> apt-get install debian
[22:02] <asmm> clear: 25,000 apps : )
[22:02] <cherva> can I add more levels in the Places menu ? something like for example Places->Bookmarks->Pictures->WhatEver
[22:02] <Gnea> racha: this isn't a full fix, but try it and see if you can get some of the speakers to work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1196369
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> asmm: each distro has advantages and disadvantages over others in different areas
[22:03] <tyler_d> my i-pod is auto mounting to /tmp/... how can I fix this?
[22:03] <asmm> true
[22:03] <asmm> okay
[22:03] <AMethyst> Do I want my new partitions to both be primary partitions?
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: if you have less than 4 partitions then they can be
[22:03] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: Hmm, that sounds fishy.  It mounts fine on my Jaunty laptop but not my desktop... I don't think it is a windows thing...
[22:03] <AMethyst> Ohhh that's why ubiquity was having trouble
[22:03] <AMethyst> because I had 5
[22:03] <AMethyst> so i will have one be primary and have the swap be logical
[22:03] <erUSUL> AMethyst: depending on the layout currently on the disk you may or may no be able to make them primary
[22:04] <AMethyst> that will work correct? Thanks Actionparsnip and erUSUL
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: 2 will have to reside on an extended partition
[22:04] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee>It was just a thought; many make that mistake when they dual boot with external HDDs.
[22:04] <AMethyst> extended = logical?
[22:04] <racha> Any1 here can help me With my Sound Card ? 5.1 ? Please
[22:04] <erUSUL> AMethyst: no extended is the partition that holds the logical ones
[22:04] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: thanks anyway.  Any other ideas?
[22:04] <AMethyst> k thansk
[22:04] <Gnea> racha: please, don't do that. either take the help offered or wait 5-10 minutes before asking again.
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: no, an extended partition contains one or more logical partitions
[22:05] <AMethyst> ubiquity doesn't give an option for extended, just priamry and logical
[22:05] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee>Waht happens when you turn it on? Do you get any error msgs.?
[22:05] <racha> Gnea: look i get them all to work but i dont whana change my cable when i switching from ubutntu >to< Windows
[22:05] <Gnea> racha: also, your quewstion is just too generic - no one's going to help you unless you tell us what make and model you're using (the url helped, but it's up to you to say what it is) and exactly what problem you're having
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: you may find the logical partition abstracts to creating the extended for you
[22:06] <Gnea> racha: what cable?
[22:06] <racha> Gnea: my audio cables :S
[22:06] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: it does not have power switch.  It simply powers on when I connect to usb
[22:06] <racha> Gnea: ubuntu using diferent ports on my Sound card ...
[22:06] <AMethyst> ActionParsnip: create at the beginning of the disk? All this means is that it will be able to be read faster correct?
[22:06] <Gnea> racha: that doesn't make any sense.
[22:06] <racha> Gnea: IDK :S
[22:06] <Gnea> racha: which audio cables? please be specific.
[22:07] <Gnea> racha: then you don't need help?
[22:07] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/269397/ shows tail -f /var/log/messages when I plugged it in
[22:07] <AMethyst> Shoud I craete a mount point? such as /boot ?
[22:07] <racha> Gnea: look, i need help to get them in same ports on ubuntu like on Windows
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: disk access is regulatd by where the platter is at the time of readi9ng, placing it at the start of the drive doesnt speed anything up
[22:08] <AMethyst> ok
[22:08] <AMethyst> wrod thanks
[22:08] <Gnea> racha: well, you're clearly unwilling to get detailed on how they're setup in ubuntu and in windows. failing to provide such information means that we cannot help you, obviously. care to draw a diagram or take a picture?
[22:08] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee> I have four ext. HDDs and three cards (each card has 2 ports) one card automounts as soon as I turn the device on. The other cards I have to mount by clicking Places and clicking on the divice.
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> AMethyst: start building partitions from the beginning, makes things easier to calculate
[22:08] <Sidewinder1> *device
[22:09] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: it does not show in places....
[22:09] <racha> Gnea: Problem is because i dont Engl. perfectly ...
[22:09] <AMethyst> actionparsnip: nod, i plan to install windows 7, netbook remix, and backtrack eventually
[22:09] <racha> Gnea: Speek eng.*
[22:09] <Gnea> racha: okay, then yes, that is an issue. but, I think we can work with that :)
[22:09] <Gnea> racha: do you have a digital camera?
[22:09] <racha> Gnea: No
[22:10] <racha> Gnea: i need to take pic of my Sound Card ... omfg :D
[22:10] <Gnea> racha: heh, well from the way it sounds, it might help ;)
[22:10] <racha> Gnea: look i knowe i use C-Media software ... i will go on Windows now and get info from there about my Sound Card model and other things what u need ? ok ?
[22:11] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee> This looks like a clue, have you searched it? "Device offlined - not ready after error recovery"
[22:11] <Gnea> racha: okay, does your card look like this? http://www.techfuels.com/attachments/sound-card/5339d1221297399-c-media-cmi8768-sound-card-c-media-cmi8768-sound-card.jpg
[22:11] <Gnea> racha: no need - type this in your terminal:  lspci | grep audio
[22:11] <AMethyst> installing
[22:11] <racha> Gnea Something like that ... anyway i will find it and send u informations
[22:12] <Gnea> racha: I don't need the info from windows, I need it from Ubuntu.
[22:12] <racha> Gnea :01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
[22:12] <racha> He say just C-Media
[22:12] <Gnea> racha: okay. do the ports on the back of the card look exactly like that picture?
Try this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=605461
[22:12] <Gnea> racha: they're either the same or they're not
[22:12] <racha> Gnea:  just a sec
[22:13] <Gnea> racha: because there are a few cards with the same chipset, like this one: http://www.pacificgeek.com/productimages/xl/CL-S8768-8-2.jpg
[22:13] <racha> Gnea: ya but color are reverse... <
[22:14] <wwjd> what packages are out there for a really lightweight DE, or WM?  I have a new(er) laptop but goddamn gnome is really choppy
[22:14] <Gnea> racha: I don't care about the color, I care about whether the ports are the same or not
[22:14] <racha> Gnea : they are same ...
[22:14] <racha> Gnea : Just a sec ....
[22:14] <Gnea> racha: as which?
[22:14] <wwjd> what packages are out there for a really lightweight DE, or WM?  I have a new(er) laptop but goddamn gnome is really choppy
[22:15] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee>This is old but might get you pointed in the right direction: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18877
[22:15] <Gnea> !repeat | wwjd
[22:15] <MenZa> wwjd: Well, Xfce is pretty light, if you like an interface similar to GNOME, but it's less resource-heavy. It's in xubuntu-desktop
[22:15] <fccf> !language | wwjd Jesus would not danmgod
[22:15] <racha> Gnea: here is my model http://www.prodaja-ponuda.com/slike/velike/Zvucna%20kartica%20Manli%20M-CMI8768-8CH.jpg
[22:15] <hacktop> heey ubuntu
[22:15] <MenZa> wwjd: Alternatively, there's openbox or icewm and similar, which require a fair bit of configuration before you'll enjoy them properly. But they are indeed lighter.
[22:15] <wwjd> it stands for what would joel do :D
[22:15] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>R U sure that it's not a video driver issue?
[22:16] <wamty> is is snmp built with lenny?
[22:16] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: possibly
[22:16] <hacktop> how do I make the package manager load the basic ubuntu directories?
[22:16] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: seems like a refresh rate problem
[22:16] <six> hello, is there anyway to install ubuntu on an ipod as bootable and single drive?
[22:16] <Gnea> racha: okay - now, which cables do you change between windows and ubuntu?
[22:16] <AMethyst> six: as in run as the OS for the ipod?
[22:16] <racha> Just a sec
[22:16] <racha> Gnea: sec
[22:16] <Gnea> !rockbox | six
[22:17] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: has ubuntu had problems with stock nvidia cards at all?
[22:17] <six> AMethyst,, no
[22:17] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Try changing the Hz?
[22:17] <fccf> wwjd: not to a good christian soldier ... and I am .. and I find that offensive ... so would the 12 year old just learning, which I know of at least 2 in here right now
[22:17] <six> run the ubuntu on a computer
[22:17] <six> not the ipod
[22:17] <djanatyn> Can ubuntu be installed on a USB drive?
[22:17] <six> just use the ipods drive for this
[22:17] <t2_> hi, i'm having difficult making a FAT32 partition automount so that my user can read/write/all to it.    In particular the value of umask and gid... I have umask=007 and gid=users.  can't figure out from the net what those things really do
[22:17] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: thanks, i read that  and it doesn't really seem to pertain to my problem.  Other posts suggest turning disc on then plugging in, but I dont have a power switch on my disc
[22:17] <MenZa> djanatyn: Yes.
[22:17] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: actually it's set to 0hz and I can't change it
[22:17] <fccf> !usb | djanatyn
[22:17] <AMethyst> if the ipod can be used as a flash drive then yes moste likely
[22:17] <MenZa> !fstab | t2_
[22:17] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>No problems; just sometimes the proprietary driver is necessary.
[22:17] <t2_> the current line in /etc/fstab is:     /dev/sda6  /share          vfat    utf8,umask=007,gid=users 0       0
[22:18] <hacktop> how do I make the Sysnaptic Package Manager load the basic ubuntu files?
[22:18] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: so I'm guessing that I'll be hunting down a driver?
[22:18] <six> AMethyst, so how do i install ubuntu on the drive and make it bootable?
[22:18] <racha> Gnea: i will edit image ... and i will send u a link ... juse 3-5 min ok ?
[22:18] <Gnea> racha: ok
[22:18] <t2_> hacktop: load the basic ubuntu files ?    aren't you running ubuntu already ?
[22:18] <hacktop> how I only get Amateur Radio
[22:18] <Sidewinder1> JuJuBee>Then plugging in and unplugging should duplicate the off/on switch.
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> wwjd: could also use LXDE for lightness
[22:19] <hacktop> I do not see the rest
[22:19] <wwjd> is Fluxbox still being kept up to date, I used that back when I was 14, seemed to like my p133
[22:19] <fccf> hacktop: sections>amateur radio ... or section all
[22:19] <racha> Gnea: can i just make that for Windows so we can try to make same for ubuntu or u need ubuntu and windows ?
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> wwjd: indeed, fluxbox rocks
[22:19] <six> can i use a usb drive as a bootable, only drive, ubuntu?
[22:19] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Should already be listed in System0000>Administration---->Hardware Driver.
[22:19] <Gnea> racha: it would help if you could do both
[22:19] <hacktop> Sections amateur radio is all I see
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> !usb | six
[22:19] <isleshocky77> Anyone not able to access the ubuntu keysever?
[22:20] <six> i dont want to have it as a live CD
[22:20] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: I'll check it out, thanks
[22:20] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>If not I guess you've gotta' go huntin'. :-)
[22:20] <six> i want to run it as it was a hdd, is this possible?
[22:20] <Sidewinder1> Welks
[22:20] <six> anyone?
[22:20] <wwjd> man, linux is a lot more polished now...
[22:21] <racha> Gnea : i say that because idk if i Get them Good for ubuntu i hear all speakers but idk. if they are Connected good :S ... i knowe for windows because i can test evety Speaker,,,
[22:21] <Sidewinder1> I love it!!!
[22:21] <AMethyst> six: I suggest googiling for running operating systems from ipods, i'm sure someone has tried i
[22:21] <AMethyst> t
[22:21] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: yeah, no hunting
[22:21] <Gnea> racha: do what is easiest for you and let me know :)
[22:21] <hacktop> I can not enter the ubuntu keyserver
[22:21] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>KEWL!
[22:21] <fccf> six: the second link explains how
[22:21] <hacktop> seems like it is down....
[22:21] <wwjd> restarting, bee arr bee
[22:21] <racha> Gnea: ok i will complete that in 5-10 min ...
[22:22] <Gnea> six: don't know, never tried it, don't even own an ipod, but if your computer will boot off of a usb driver, then perhaps...
[22:22] <fccf> hacktop: keyserver.ubuntu.com is having trouble lately ... use pool.sks-keyservers.net
[22:22] <Moon_Doggy> what command do i use to scan usb ports
[22:22] <Sidewinder1> lsusb
[22:22] <Moon_Doggy> ty
[22:22] <Sidewinder1> w
[22:22] <gofelro> I have a problem.  I find the operations of my fan (i.e. the lack of its use to cool off my motherboard and cpu) dangerous.  And if i didnt cut my processing power in half everytime i use my machine, my computer would suffer constant shutdowns due to cpu reaching critical.  I thought that if i updated my BIOS that might help but i cant find an update with a bin.
[22:23] <mazzo> hhhhh
[22:23] <sergiumihai> Hi, anyone know, where i can get ubuntu icons
[22:23] <sergiumihai> ;D
[22:23] <erUSUL> !themes | sergiumihai
[22:23] <gofelro> can anyone help me?
[22:23] <Sidewinder1> !ask\
[22:23] <six> the .iso is 137mb now?
[22:23] <Sidewinder1> !ask
[22:23] <fccf> six: that doesn't sound right
[22:24] <newproggie> Hallo zusammen
[22:24] <gofelro> ... sorry
[22:24] <kholzer> gofelro:
[22:24] <janisozaur> !de | newproggie
[22:24] <kholzer> gofelro: add more fans?
[22:25] <gofelro> hahaha
[22:25] <wwjd> haha, wow, what a difference man
[22:25] <wwjd> it opens up instantly
[22:25] <kholzer> gofelro: or mess with bios settings?  Sometimes the fans won't speed up if you have them set low in the bios.
[22:25] <gofelro> kholzer: havent touched the bios
[22:25] <wwjd> does anyone use soulseek at all?  Kinda looking for a good client
[22:25] <newproggie> I'd like to always highlight the line user@workstation:~$ in the bash. How can I achieve this?
[22:25] <fccf> gofelro: bypass the fan's motherboard powersupply and give the fan 12v directly from powersupply
[22:26] <gofelro> kholzer: ... yet
[22:26] <kholzer> gofelro: Doesn't matter.  Look in there and see if there is a threshold setting for turning the fan into a higher speed mode.
[22:26] <daBomb69> how do i change the stored RSA key for a location i ssh to?
[22:26] <kholzer> gofelro: Also, you may want to clean out your case (I cant imagine dust will help the situation).
[22:26] <janisozaur> newproggie: look in ~/.bashrc, there should be option called FORCE_COLOR_PROPMT, uncomment it
[22:26] <kholzer> gofelro: did you build the computer or buy it?
[22:27] <six> fccf
[22:27] <gofelro> kholzer: bought it but...
[22:27] <six> i just downloaded it
[22:27] <kholzer> gofelro: somebody else built it?
[22:27] <gofelro> kholzer: it had vista before
[22:27] <six> seems like its 137mb
[22:27] <six> is that possible?
[22:27] <briana> i am wired in toady, and need help setting wireless
[22:27] <newproggie> janisozaur: great, thanks
[22:28] <gofelro> kholzer: right sorry i bought it ... need the model?
[22:28] <fccf> six: failed download .. or you wrote to the file i.e. touched while it was writing ... either way download again
[22:28] <kholzer> gofelro: No.  Call the manufacturer and bitch at them.  That is bad design on their part.
[22:28] <fccf> six: should be 700megs ish
[22:28] <oliv> hi, is there iptables still used in 8. ? I installed iptables but no /etc/init.d/iptables. Is there another way to configure kernel fw ?
[22:28] <six> thanks fccf
[22:28] <fccf> briana: what kind of hardware
[22:29] <six> fccf, i am not sure of the options in the page which one i need
[22:29] <gofelro> kholzer: still ... i have no basis for this but the update might have been made to fix that problem
[22:29] <briana> im sorry, fccf?
[22:29] <six> i have a PC with no hdd, so i want to run ubuntu from a usb drive for a while
[22:29] <janisozaur> oliv: i use shorewall as a "frontend" to iptables
[22:29] <wwjd> I had a question about users here, might be common sense but anyways.   I'm using my default user so is that considered as root and should I start up another user account
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> six: use md5 checks to validate iso files
[22:29] <kholzer> gofelro: Why can't you update it?
[22:29] <gofelro> kholzer: cant find a bin
[22:30] <gofelro> kholzer: cant find all of them are marked to work in windows :S
[22:30] <isleshocky77> Anyone else having a problem using keyserver.ubuntu.com with apt-key ?
[22:30] <janisozaur> oliv: recent ubuntu versions tend to use UFW, though.
[22:30] <fccf> briana: I'd like to help you with wireless but I need some details
[22:30] <Sidewinder1> !sudo | wwjd>
[22:30] <six> fccf, i have a PC with no hdd, so i want to run ubuntu from a usb drive for a while
[22:30] <gofelro> kholzer: at least all that i can find
[22:30] <kholzer> gofelro: Theres no way to reboot and use awdflash or whatever on some boot disk?
[22:30] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Video problem solved?
[22:31] <gofelro> kholzer: dunno
[22:31] <fccf> !usb | six ... use the second link here
[22:31] <gofelro> kholzer: ill look it up
[22:31] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: Yeah, it's really fast now, but I'm still going with fluxbox or enlightenment
[22:31] <six> fccf but under the second link there are some options
[22:31] <gofelro> kholzer: thanks for your help
[22:31] <djbpython> how do i change the permissions of a file using nautilus?
[22:31] <oliv> janisozaur: well, I was able to reinject my old iptables configuration but not sure what script load it at startup time
[22:31] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: thanks again ;)
[22:31] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Sorry. know nothin' about fluxbox.
[22:31] <kholzer> gofelro: You could also boot into windows on a boot cd
[22:32] <Sidewinder1> Glas to've helped!
[22:32] <djbpython> it says im not the owner so I can't change them, I'm the only user on the system
[22:32] <kholzer> gofelro: i.e. windows PE
[22:32] <Sidewinder1> Glad
[22:32] <oliv> janisozaur: will check ufw, cheers
[22:32] <janisozaur> oliv: you can hack into existing one (networking would be my choice) or create your own service. or you can copy and try this file from some older system if you have it around
[22:32] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Did you understand the "sudo" answer to your root question?
[22:32] <gofelro> kholzer: ok ... is PE a free trial use or some promitional?
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> djbpython: if you arent the owner then run: gksudo nautilus   you can then change as you wish
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> djbpython: use it wisely, you can really damage your system
[22:33] <oliv> janisozaur: yes sure, i am just surprised something like that seems missing
[22:33] <kholzer> gofelro: No, its somebody's hack.  Download a copy on a torrent site or build one here: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
[22:33] <wwjd> I haven't actually looked it up yet, but I will...
[22:34] <gofelro> kholzer: ah awesome thanks :)
[22:34] <Sidewinder1> !sudo | wwjd>
[22:34] <kholzer> gofelro: no problem.
[22:34] <briana> have a router/modem, a laptop 1-1/2 years old, (dell insiron 1525).  have vista working correctly, also have ubuntu succesfully finding my network, just can't get internet
[22:34] <jiffe> how can I configure a second NIC so that it has to manually be brought up and down?
[22:34] <janisozaur> oliv: it might've been moved to some package... you may try using apt-file
[22:34] <wwjd> got it, thanks
[22:34] <Sidewinder1> K
[22:34] <kholzer> jiffe: get gentoo, it does that by default ;[
[22:34] <jiffe> ie eth1, I would assume not put auth eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[22:34] <kholzer> (Sorry!)
[22:35] <pvvni> jiffe: just edit your /etc/network/interfaces
[22:35] <jiffe> auto eth1 even
[22:35] <wwjd> Sidewinder1: that's really interesting how that works actually, they're always improving which is nice
[22:35] <pvvni> jiffe: yea, just remove the auto
[22:35] <djbpython> so its normal that if I want to change the permissions of a file i need to drop in to a terminal?
[22:35] <jiffe> should ifdown/ifup work then?
[22:35] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Concur
[22:35] <pvvni> jiffe: then just use ifup/ifdown
[22:35] <jiffe> ifup seems to, ifdown doesn't though
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> jiffe: you can edit /etc/network/intefaces  and comment out auto <interface name>
[22:36] <six> hello, i have a PC with no hdd, so i want to run ubuntu from a usb drive for a while, which is the best option for me?
[22:36] <janisozaur> djbpython: why would you change ownership of lots of files?
[22:36] <erUSUL> djbpython: no unless you are not the owner of the file
[22:36] <janisozaur> six: what do you mean by "best option"?
[22:36] <six> portable linux maybe?
[22:36] <erUSUL> djbpython: and if you are not the owner you have no bussines changing them; do you ?
[22:37] <jiffe> running ifdown completes, but the NIC is still active and the IP bound to it still responds to ping
[22:37] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Just remember it's gksudo for graphical programs; if you run firefox with only sudo, it totaly borks your bookmarks and alot of other permissions!
[22:37] <janisozaur> jiffe: sudo ifconfig eth1 down
[22:37] <six> janisozaur, i see many stuff to make it like a cd live
[22:37] <kholzer> jiffe: poltergeist?
[22:37] <six> thats not what i want
[22:37] <sebsebseb> is back
[22:37] <briana> sorry, am new with linux, where is etc/network/interface?
[22:38] <janisozaur> six: ubuntu comes in usb flavor... sort of
[22:38] <kholzer> briana: it is a file on your computer.
[22:38] <jiffe> that didn't seem to work either
[22:38] <djbpython> janisozaur, erUSUL, I just installed apache httpd.conf was read only I can't quickly change the permissions in nautilus which is ridiculous
[22:38] <kholzer> briana: / is the base directory.
[22:38] <kholzer> briana: so it is /etc/network/interfaces
[22:38] <jiffe> no error, but no change either
[22:38] <Sidewinder1> wwjd>Don't know why any one would want to run FF with root priv.s anyway; sounds like a bad idea to me...
[22:38] <fccf> briana: please pastebin the output of lspci
[22:38] <janisozaur> djbpython: that's not your file for a reason
[22:38] <zleap> cd /etc
[22:38] <fccf> !paste | briana
[22:38] <newproggie> Is it possible to turn off the status messages in Xchat, every time someone quites the IRC-Connection?
[22:38] <zleap> cd network
[22:39] <jiffe> I see 'kernel: [108380.643941] eth1: link up' in /var/log/messages, nothing about down though
[22:39] <zleap> cat interfaces
[22:39] <Sidewinder1> brb
[22:39] <oliv> janisozaur: nice tool but no script for me anywhere ... will write it down
[22:39] <oliv> janisozaur: cheers
[22:39] <erUSUL> djbpython: no; is not ridicoulus. system config files like http.conf have to be editoed as superuser,. Use "Cgksudo gedit /etc/path/to/file"
[22:39] <janisozaur> six: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[22:39] <zleap> briana, you get that
[22:39] <djbpython> janisozaur, what I would imagine would happen would be similar to when I run synaptic, a dialogue pops up asking for the su password
[22:39] <erUSUL> djbpython: "gksudo gedit /etc/path/to/file"
[22:40] <six> hello, i have a PC with no hdd, so i want to run ubuntu from a usb drive for a while, which is the best option for me?
[22:40] <jiffe> this is my interfaces file: http://jiffe.com/interfaces
[22:40] <erUSUL> !usb
[22:40] <djbpython> erUSUL, again, the need to drop to the terminal
[22:40] <six> can anyone help?
[22:40] <roc888> Hello
[22:40] <sebsebseb> !ask |  six
[22:40] <kholzer> six: read what ubottu just said.
[22:40] <erUSUL> djbpython: use the alt + f2 run dialog if you prefer it
[22:40] <sebsebseb> six: oh nevermind
[22:40] <kholzer> sebsebseb: he did.
[22:41] <six> that doesnt help me
[22:41] <kholzer> six: ???  not the ask, one line before.
[22:41] <fccf> six: read the instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[22:41] <briana> zleap: thats greek
[22:41] <janisozaur> six: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> jiffe: ok which interface do you want to not come up?
[22:41] <jiffe> eth1
[22:41] <six> i want to install ubuntu
[22:41] <sebsebseb> briana: I missed your issue can you repeate it,  maybe I can help a little
[22:41] <six> now to use it as live cd
[22:41] <six> or boot something else
[22:41] <erUSUL> djbpython: but you know linux people are fond of our terminals not ashamed of using them ;)
[22:42] <six> i want to use the USB as a primary hdd
[22:42] <jiffe> I took the auto out
[22:42] <Mike_lifeguard> Could someone help me with an issue with burning ISOs to CD? I consistently get errors resulting in either a coaster, or the simulated burning failing ( brasero log at http://p.defau.lt/?9ZeoqDy6lNm98CHbYYXZWQ )
[22:42] <kholzer> six: read those instructions, thats how you do that :)
[22:42] <racha> Gnea: u are here ?
[22:42] <fccf> six: persistant means it writes to the USB disk .... get it
[22:42] <jiffe> but I can't bring it manually down
[22:42] <kholzer> six: it won't be on the livecd, it will all be on the usb disk
[22:42] <six> i see some options though
[22:42] <Atrickit> good night..for everyone
[22:42] <Atrickit> ok...
[22:42] <kholzer> good night !
[22:42] <six> which one do i choose
[22:42] <Atrickit> lets talk...
[22:42] <janisozaur> !enter | six
[22:42] <briana> wany wifi to work for unbuntu.  it see my network fine, cant get internet
[22:42] <kholzer> six: you need to read both.
[22:43] <sebsebseb> briana: yeah I  thought it was a networking issue ok
[22:43] <six> unetbootin ? linux portable?
[22:43] <sebsebseb> briana: ok not really my area, but it seems your being told to open a config file
[22:43] <n8tuser> please people, prefix your conversation with the person to whom with your conversing with so its easy to follow and not get lost..
[22:43] <Atrickit> why ubuntu is better of slackware or archlinux????
[22:43] <Gnea> racha: yeah
[22:43] <IdleOne> 410
[22:43] <racha> Gnea : sec ...
[22:43] <sebsebseb> Artemis3: that's off topic, and some people  think  Slackware or ArchLinux are way better than Ubuntu,  as well as the other way round
[22:43] <erUSUL> Atrickit: ask in offtopic
[22:44] <erUSUL> !ot | Atrickit
[22:44] <nuunuu> Atrickit: because slackware doesn't have package management, and archlinux vim is borked
[22:44] <janisozaur> !better | Atrickit
[22:44] <Gnea> Atrickit: it's updated more often, it has better support, it's easier for noobs to use, it gets the job done, people like it, and, oh, btw, you're offtopic, please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:44] <six> do i need unetbootin? i am now running windows
[22:44] <n8tuser> briana -> whats the problem with your wifi?
[22:44] <kholzer> six: or use the just following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB
[22:44] <Edico> hi
[22:44] <sebsebseb> !wireless |  briana
[22:44] <racha> Gnea: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7892/windowsvu.jpg
[22:44] <Edico> knows someone why pidgin do not display yahoo avatars anymore? Can be fixed?
[22:45] <racha> Gnea: that is how they are on Windows
[22:45] <briana> okay, ill go and see if that works.  thanks
[22:45] <mordof> i'm getting: "Errors were encountered while processing: mysql-server-5.0" i was trying to do tasksel install lamp-server, but then my internet got cut off.. and so half the package was installed, now i can't remove or continue with the install, and i have no idea how to solve this. anyone able to help sort this out for me?
[22:45] <sebsebseb> briana: good luck
[22:45] <sebsebseb> !
[22:45] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1:
[22:45] <Gnea> racha: nice!
[22:45] <janisozaur> Edico: ask in #pidgin
[22:45] <JuJuBee> Sidewinder1: it seems that the USB hub it the problem or something connected to it... I also tried my front usb ports and it did not work. WHen I connected to my back usb ports, it worked. very strange...
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> jiffe: just websearching
[22:45] <fccf> briana: see my private message
[22:46] <sebsebseb> !pm |  fccf  briana
[22:46] <racha> Gnea: its possible to make that Config on ubuntu ?
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> jiffe: you could add    ifdown eth1       in /etc/rc.local
[22:46] <Atrickit> but slackware has package management.....it only dont has dependendy manegement.......
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> jiffe: above the exit 0 line
[22:47] <Atrickit> ...
[22:47] <fccf> sebsebseb: I keep seeing people point briana to a link that won't help her ... I did a little research and I have a solution
[22:47] <Grexo> why is ubuntu offtopic banned
[22:47] <kholzer> Atrickit: There is no best.
[22:47] <Grexo> i cant get in
[22:47] <racha> Gnea: i rly dont knowe why C-Media didnt made Drivers for Linux :(
[22:47] <jiffe> well ifdown is what isn't working
[22:47] <sebsebseb> fccf: ok sounds good,  but if  you help  her/him here,  maybe it  can be useful for other people as well
[22:47] <Grexo> what is going on
[22:47] <Gnea> racha: have you tried using pulseaudio?
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> racha: they get more money supporting windows, they are a business so plow money where they can maximise profit
[22:48] <Gnea> Grexo: probably because you pissed someone off
[22:48] <racha> Gnea: nah
[22:48] <fccf> I was trying to but people kept stealing the show
[22:48] <fccf> I am leaving
[22:48] <Grexo> gnea the channel is a bunch of 5 year olds
[22:48] <sebsebseb> fccf: hang on
[22:48] <Grexo> what can i say
[22:48] <sebsebseb> fccf: why not help them first?
[22:48] <racha> ActionParsnip: there need to be someone who can made that drivers for ubuntu ...
[22:48] <Gnea> Grexo: then don't worry about it
[22:48] <Grexo> gnea lol
[22:48] <racha> ActionParsnip: not someone from C-media
[22:49] <Grexo> :O
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> racha: there are groups who will make drivers if companys comply with requests for info
[22:49] <racha> Gnea: What with pulseaudio ?
[22:49] <Gnea> racha: well, reason I ask, is that I have a usb X-Fi, and it has barely any functionality with alsa. when I use pulseaudio, suddenly I can change the volume and such.
[22:49] <fccf> sebsebseb: that is what I do when I am here ... but right now I see people giving REALLY BAD ADVICE
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> racha: nvidia has a massive team dedicated to making drivers which is why their driver support is awesome
[22:50] <sebsebseb> fccf: such as?
[22:50] <Gnea> fccf: i've noticed that too. it's days like today when a lot of the idiots come out of the woodwork.
[22:50] <racha> Gnea: Anyway its possible to made that same for ubuntu or ?
[22:50] <sebsebseb> Gnea: well it's the weekend, maybe that's it :D
[22:51] <cwolfx> anyone wanna play gtkatlantic?
[22:51] <rambo298> .
[22:52] <racha> so Gnea, What i need to download or what i need to do ?
[22:52] <Gnea> racha: sec
[22:53] <senorpedro> hola
[22:53] <erUSUL> !es | senorpedro
[22:53] <senorpedro> de donde??
[22:53] <senorpedro> eres el skandalo!
[22:53] <senorpedro> donde esta la zapateria???
[22:53] <sebsebseb> !es |  senorpedro
[22:53] <prince_jammys> try #shoes
[22:53] <senorpedro> lol
[22:54] <racha> Live Chat is good way of Support .... gratz for ubuntu :)
[22:55] <Queen> People don't have answers to the complex stuff here
[22:56] <seidos> !unr
[22:56] <syrius> ubuntu says it supports the webcamera but it doesn't work :( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasLogitech
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> !netbook
[22:56] <syrius> I can't use it with cheese camera or tinychat.com
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> syrius: what is the ouput of: lsusb    use pastebin
[22:57] <judy> I have an hp pavilion dv8000.  Every so often (more often than not lately) I'll be typing along and something like a right click happens, even though I didn't right click.  I did not touch the track pad at all.  Left clicks happen as well.
[22:58] <syrius> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.ca/raw/1562571
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> syrius: ok so the ID is 046d:09c1
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> syrius: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
[22:59] <hacktop> hey
[22:59] <hacktop> I have a problem
[22:59] <sebsebseb> !ask |  hacktop
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> syrius: search the page for the ID code
[22:59] <six> i am using unetbootin to install linux to my usb, which install should i use? live or netinstall?
[23:00] <syrius> it  says "Could  not connect to video device (/dev/video0). Please check connection. when I try to load camorama ActionParsnip
[23:00] <pshr> live is what i opted for six
[23:00] <sebsebseb> !usb |  six
[23:00] <hacktop> when I boot Kubuntu I first get it with my own background...then it goes into the clasic KDE look
[23:00] <kholzer> six: pick one
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> syrius: i dont think you have the driver setup right
[23:00] <hacktop> how do I stop it from doing thst?
[23:00] <six> kholzer
[23:00] <six> whats the difference?
[23:00] <syrius> it says that it works right out of the box at ubuntu's site ActionParsnip
[23:00] <janisozaur> six: use live
[23:00] <pshr> six, check out
[23:00] <syrius> how can that be then
[23:00] <six> thanks janisozaur
[23:00] <xiong> what is the realistic burden of trying to install a complete LAMP stack on my machine? or should i say, of configuring it so that it runs as a localhost and allows me to test my perl code just as if i'd uploaded it to my remote server?
[23:00] <kholzer> six: One is over the internet, the other is through your CD drive...right?
[23:01] <hacktop> well there is another bar under the orriginal one....
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> syrius: what a website says and what actually happens can often be very different
[23:01] <pshr> well i always for get to ask this now i guess i can how do i change the boot screen from Kubuntu to Ubuntu its quite annoying to me
[23:01] <kholzer> pshr: do you really care?
[23:01] <kholzer> pshr: how often do you reboot?
[23:02] <kholzer> I think we need more cross examination in this channel...
[23:02] <pshr> kholzer, thats the same reason i delayed it so far :)
[23:02] <pshr> i've mentioned it already he he that i keep forgetting about it
[23:03] <hacktop> there is another "new" panel under the normal one without me putting it there
[23:03] <pshr> any ways asked that just outta curiosity
[23:03] <nuunuu> xiong: easiest is to use sshfs and test like that?
[23:03] <hacktop> and the background changed
[23:03] <pshr> hacktop, congrats :)
[23:03] <trism> pshr: install kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[23:03] <ubuntucrashed> i have ubuntu on HDD but it crashed, I'm on a live cd distro of BACKTRACK 3, is there a way to install a package (app-install-data) onto ubuntu through the live CD?
[23:03] <hacktop> but when I look at desktopsettings it is my old background showing up...
[23:03] <pshr> trism, you sure... i need to change it from Kubuntu to ubuntu not the other wise
[23:03] <trism> pshr: sorry, ubuntu-artwork-usplash, I misunderstood the direction
[23:04] <pshr> trism, handy thank ya
[23:04] <ubuntucrashed> i have ubuntu on HDD but it crashed, I'm on a live cd distro of BACKTRACK 3, is there a way to install a package (app-install-data) onto ubuntu through the live CD?
[23:04] <xiong> nuunuu, not sure i follow you; i'm less experienced than some, particularly to linux
[23:04] <zegusty> does anyone know the size of tty input buffers?
[23:04] <kholzer> pshr: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+bootsplash
[23:04] <hacktop> I'm on bt4
[23:05] <hacktop> Kubuntu:)
[23:05] <kholzer> pshr:  :)
[23:05] <ubuntucrashed> kde
[23:05] <hacktop> worked out the bugs personally
[23:05] <ubuntucrashed> same here
[23:05] <nuunuu> xiong: i don't know answer to your original question, but assuming you have shell to your provider, you could make it appear like its locally on your computer... is what i meant
[23:05] <ubuntucrashed> can you help me, it's a difficult task
[23:05] <racha> Gnea: u are her e?
[23:05] <pshr> kholzer, :)
[23:05] <hacktop> somehow it keeps changing my layout without me telling it to
[23:05] <trism> pshr: actually, it looks like they renamed the ubuntu version, it is usplash-theme-ubuntu
[23:05] <hacktop> sure I can help you
[23:05] <kholzer> pshr: but the first two links looked fine
[23:06] <odd_> HI, Someone who can help me? i have som trouble installing it
[23:06] <ubuntucrashed> what can i do?
[23:06] <w1ll> Has any here ever experienced not being able to delete or alter a file in /usr/sbin on hardy ?
[23:06] <hacktop> I have also installed several scripts making it more user friendly
[23:06] <pshr> hmm
[23:06] <pshr> !elaborate | odd
[23:06] <biovore> w1ll: need to be root..
[23:06] <xiong> nuunuu, i understand -- i'm trying to weigh the benefits of installing all the stuff on my own machine
[23:06] <w1ll> I am root
[23:06] <hacktop> what is the excact issue you have?
[23:06] <pshr> so am i w1ll
[23:06] <pshr> :P
[23:06] <ubuntucrashed> i have ubuntu on HDD but it crashed, I'm on a live cd distro of BACKTRACK 3, is there a way to install a package (app-install-data) onto ubuntu through the live CD?
[23:06] <w1ll> lol
[23:07] <w1ll> That's what so confusing about it
[23:07] <hacktop> let me ask my room-mate
[23:07] <n8tuser> w1ll -> use  lsattr to list the attributes, there are flags that may tell you
[23:07] <gdoteof> HI i somehow deleted my printer utility and am trying to get it back.. any ideas?
[23:07] <ubuntucrashed> hacktop: i have reason to suspect that the missing package is causing this crash.
[23:08] <gdoteof> if i go to System->administration and there is nothing about printing
[23:08] <gdoteof> I deleted a bunch of things a while back and have been slowly piecing them back
[23:08] <hacktop> Well, he said it is unlikely that you can do it by a livecd
[23:08] <gdoteof> i'm sure it's sudo apt-get **something**
[23:08] <gdoteof> but idk what
[23:08] <n8tuser> ubuntucrashed -> you can get your network working while in livecd and then chroot to your install base and maybe you can do update there
[23:09] <judy> Would proprietary nvidia drivers cause trouble with a trackpad?
[23:09] <w1ll> doh
[23:09] <judy> ok
[23:09] <w1ll> Thank you n8tuser the immutable flag is set
[23:09] <kholzer> judy: I wouldn't think so...
[23:09] <ubuntucrashed> n8tuser: how do I get my network working and chroot the install base?
[23:09]  * w1ll smacks head
[23:09] <n8tuser> w1ll -> okay, good luck
[23:09] <AMethyst> ubiquity just crashed on me anyone have experince with this?
[23:10] <six> kholzer, i am currently downloading, - are you sure this is what is best for my situation?
[23:10] <n8tuser> ubuntucrashed -> your nick is difficult to type, can you change it so its easier to identify you? too many ubuntu nicks..
[23:10] <kholzer> six: downloading the cd?  It should work fine.
[23:10] <drvenom> Will ubuntu get intel driver updates anytime soon?
[23:10] <gdoteof> How do I reinstall, or figure out what to reinstall to get my Ubuntu Printing administration widget back?
[23:10] <kholzer> six: Either way will work.
[23:10] <newproggie> n8tuser: using autocomplete for nicknames?
[23:10] <ubuntucrashed> how do i change my nick?
[23:11] <ubuntucrashed> lol
[23:11] <n8tuser> newproggie -> try it with ubu.. far too many that starts with ubu
[23:11] <trism> n8tuser: just use tab ub<tab> got it the first time
[23:11] <kholzer> six: the goal is just to get a bunch of files onto a usb-disk (and configure a few of them for your hardware and stuff).  It ought to work.
[23:11] <six> kholzer, yes, i am now on a laptop running windows with the usb attached to it, and my other PC is without any HDD, and i want to run ubuntu from the usb for a few days until i get a new HDD
[23:11] <newproggie> ubuntucrashed: just type /nick and then your new name
[23:11] <trism> n8tuser: although I am only on this channel
[23:11] <n8tuser> come on be creative.. use a unique nick
[23:11] <newproggie> n8tuser: I see^^
[23:11] <godmode> n8ter: it is me, ubuntucrashed
[23:11] <n8tuser> godmode okay, now.. you are on livecd right? and chatting with us?
[23:12] <n8tuser> btw its n8tuser..
[23:12] <kholzer> six: or you could follow this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-the-easy-way/ guide...
[23:12] <kholzer> six: looks easy enough
[23:12] <godmode> n8tuser, yes im on live cd -BT#
[23:12] <godmode> BT3*
[23:12] <n8tuser> godmode, let me check my notes to properly chroot.. hang a few
[23:13] <nuunuu> godmode: didn't they tell you not to irc as root? :D
[23:13] <godmode> lol
[23:13] <godmode> yes
[23:13] <godmode> earlier today
[23:13] <six> kholzer, looks like the same as i am doing, but english is not my native langauge so i am just asking to be sure that this is correct solution for me
[23:13] <racha> Gnea: Are u here ?
[23:14] <six> kholzer, btw i got the UNetbootin doing the .iso download because when i try it just stucks at 137mb as completed (unetbootin source is: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso)
[23:15] <DareDevil0> Hi you there, how reliable is the memtest
[23:15] <kholzer> six: it will work fine.
[23:15] <n8tuser> godmode takes a bit longer than i thought to wade through paperwork.. hang on
[23:16] <sumo_su> i'd like to install a new sound theme for the desktop... is there a folder for that? how can it be done?
[23:16] <godmode> n8tuser: its ok i can wait
[23:16] <kholzer> six: Just try it.  Come back here if it doesn't work, okay?
[23:17] <strange> anyone know how to get harmony remote software working in virtualbox (its not recognising it i think i need to fix stuff on the usb part of it)
[23:18] <trism> strange: from what I understand the virtualbox in the repos doesn't have usb support, so that may be part of your problem
[23:19] <n8tuser> godmode we'll do this per what i can remember..lets see.. you know which partition your install is on? /dev/sda1? or wherever it is, mount it to /mnt while in livecd
[23:19] <strange> trism so i need to install another vbox?
[23:20] <n8tuser> strange -> perhaps, yeah use the sun's version as what someone mentioned earlier
[23:20] <six> kholzer thanks alot
[23:20] <strange> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jaunty non-free
[23:20] <strange> is that the sun version?
[23:21] <DougM> where is the best place to get Ubuntu themes?
[23:22] <trism> strange: yeah that seems correct
[23:22] <godmode> n8tuser: ok
[23:22] <rambo298> why am I getting this on another channel? ##c++ :Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channe
[23:22] <godmode> n8tuser: this will take me a little while
[23:22] <sumo_su> DougM: i'd say gnome-loog.org
[23:22] <n8tuser> godmode okay.. but the steps are like these
[23:22] <DougM> sumo_su: ok cool thanks
[23:22] <AgainstTheFlow> I am having trouble accessing my shared drives on a windows box. I have installed simba but still nothing
[23:23] <sumo_su> DougM: http://www.gnome-look.org/
[23:23] <trism> rambo298: it looks like the channel requires registering your nick
[23:23] <DougM> sumo_su: yeah i googled it.. thanks for the help im looking through them right now
[23:23] <kholzer> !themes | DougM
[23:23] <n8tuser> godmode -> sudo chroot /mnt;   mount -t proc none /proc;  mount -t sysfs none /sys/; export HOME=/root  and then from there do the update or whatever apt-get you need to do
[23:23] <sumo_su> !changethemes
[23:24] <rambo298> trism: any idea how that is done? i've never done that on irc ... i guess all the chans ive been on are open
[23:24] <trism> rambo298: well, in the error message, it tells you to /msg nickserv help, so I'd probably start with that
[23:24] <rambo298> trism: :) i did ... nothing
[23:25] <godmode> n8tuser: ok i have mounted ./dev/sda1..what do i do now?
[23:25] <godmode> /dev/sda1
[23:26] <n8tuser> godmode -> /dev/sda1 is mounted on /mnt ?
[23:26] <trism> rambo298: usually you do a /msg nickserv register <password> <email>
[23:26] <godmode> n8tuser: i have mounted /dev/sda1 to /mnt/ubuntu
[23:26] <trism> rambo298: then /msg nickserv identify <password>
[23:27] <trism> rambo298: although you may need to confirm your email
[23:27] <n8tuser> godmode i dont know why you added ubuntu after mnt.. but modify these per your mount point modifications
[23:27] <n8tuser> godmode -> sudo chroot /mnt;   mount -t proc none /proc;  mount -t sysfs none /sys/; export HOME=/root  and then from there do the update or whatever apt-get you need to do
[23:27] <ZenithDK> hi, how do you mount a secondary disk so that a user can write to it?
[23:28] <ZenithDK> tried adding it to /etc/fstab, but it still gets mounted with root permissions, so not writable to me
[23:28] <blue112> Hello here, I really need your help.
[23:29] <sebsebseb> !ask |  blue112
[23:29] <n8tuser> ZenithDK -> can you man mount for the permissions required to allow user access? i dont remember all the options
[23:29] <blue112> I have a computer on my side which don't have a keyboard and don't have internet. How can I put some visual keyboard on it to apt-off everything I need ?
[23:29] <rambo298> trism: that worked; txs
[23:29] <godmode> i typed in the command and this is what i got : id: cannot find name for group ID 11
[23:29] <AgainstTheFlow> How can I access the shared drives on a windows box? I have installed simba
[23:30] <godmode> and now i got this: root@bt:/#
[23:30] <judy> what's the recommended method for turning on shmconfig in jaunty?
[23:30] <ZenithDK> n8tuser: I have, "user" lets the user mount it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to give write permissions