[00:00] <greg-g> brousch: I don't get the mandarin tweet
[00:08] <Mneumonic> Hi everyone.  Never even knew there was a channel for Michigan Ubuntu users until tonight.
[00:10] <snap-l> Hey Mneumonic, welcome!
[00:11] <Mneumonic> Glad to meet other Michigan Ubuntu users.  It seems that nobody around here has even heard of Linux
[00:11] <snap-l> Where abouts?
[00:11] <Mneumonic> I'm currently in Clawson
[00:11] <snap-l> Ah, very cool
[00:12] <Mneumonic> to be fair, i only recently moved back to Michigan, so I don't know many people in the area to know if people use linux or not :p
[00:12] <snap-l> heh
[00:12] <snap-l> Yeah, there's a thriving linux community here
[00:12] <Mneumonic> very awesome!
[00:13] <snap-l> THere's also a Michigan UNIX Users Group which has a heavy Linux bias
[00:13] <snap-l> http://mug.org
[00:13] <Mneumonic> it even has a podcast?
[00:15] <snap-l> One of the MUG members has a podcast, called Saturday Morning Linux Review
[00:16] <snap-l> actually, several folks are on that show.
[00:16] <Mneumonic> That is great!  I am always looking for new linux podcasts.
[00:24] <Blazeix> snap-l: ah-hah! i knew i wasn't crazy http://linux.die.net/man/1/pkg-config
[00:24] <Blazeix> about this
[12:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://identi.ca/notice/97406686
[12:05] <brousch> Crazy Cat People from the sound of it
[12:11] <rick_h_> snap-l: :P
[12:12] <nullspace> yawn
[12:15] <brousch> Rick's Ranting Raving Ringtail Racoon is Ubuntu 13.04
[12:16] <rick_h_> :P
[12:17] <brousch> Wait, Raring, not Raving
[12:21] <brousch> I realized last night that I have no urge to install 12.10. I feel like Kubuntu 12.04 is really damn good on my desktop and 12.04 servers are all I need
[12:21] <brousch> I might sit on this for 2 years
[12:28] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm sticking with 12.04 for now
[12:28] <snap-l> There's no compelling reason for me to switch right now
[12:28] <snap-l> though I need to get $WORKMACHINE to 12.04
[12:29] <brousch> I'm running only 10.04 and 12.04 right now
[12:29] <snap-l> I have 11.10 at work
[12:29] <snap-l> haven't had the desire to screw up my machine quite yet. :)
[12:29] <rick_h_> web app integration not pulling you in? AMZ buying from unity?
[12:30] <rick_h_> :P
[12:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: The only thing really pulling me in is the software render for Unity
[12:30] <brousch> Unity does not excite me at all
[12:30] <snap-l> And that's nice for VMs
[12:31] <brousch> My VMs are all servers or Windows
[12:31] <snap-l> rick_h_: I chalk up the AMZ integration as Mark's version of "One more thing" ala Steve Jobs
[12:32] <snap-l> except his "One more thing"s tend to be features that send the community into a tailspin
[12:32] <snap-l> right or wrong
[12:35] <nullspace> gah no marketplace morning report podcast this morning, wtf
[14:00] <brousch> Oh great, now rick_h_ can lint our code right from the web http://lint.io/
[14:01] <rick_h_> watch out
[14:26] <jrwren> hail ringtail!
[14:26] <jrwren> err, wrong hail homenym ?
[14:26] <jrwren> err, wow, I cannot spell
[14:27] <jrwren> Blazeix: what about pkg-config?
[14:27] <snap-l> So is this new version of Ubuntu going to root through garbage, and get cantankerous when you try to shoo it away?
[14:28] <snap-l> jrwren: Was trying to remember it's name.
[14:28] <jrwren> brousch: move to 12.10, the opentack stuff is much more refined. this is the release that really gets it right.
[14:29] <brousch> I don't need openstack stuff
[14:29] <brousch> I am small
[14:29] <jrwren> you need it, you just don't know it.
[14:30] <brousch> What are you, Steve Jobs?
[14:30] <jrwren> certainly not
[14:30] <snap-l> Y'know, I never saw Steve Jobs and Jay Wren in the same room together ever
[14:30] <snap-l> hmmmm
[14:31] <rick_h_> you're supposed to use lxc and juju and build yourself a sputnick laptop
[14:31] <rick_h_> and enjoy the new improved unity with more shiny
[14:31] <snap-l> I swear, people must think we just make shit up
[14:32] <rick_h_> damn, sputnik I fail
[14:38] <jrwren> whoa, Bill Hill died of a sudden heart attack.
[14:40] <jjesse> yeah i saw that, it sucks
[14:40] <jjesse> recently posted a blog entry on his new startup if i remember correctly
[14:41] <jjesse> in case anyone cares the Kubuntu official release is up for downloading
[14:41] <jjesse> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
[14:43] <jrwren> oh, we are official now? i wondered why i didn't have many updates :)
[14:45] <jjesse> at least kubuntu is official
[14:45] <jjesse> for a download
[14:45] <jjesse> the do-release-upgrade bits haven't flipped for me
[14:45] <brousch> jjesse: Let me know if anything blows up
[14:46] <jjesse> brousch, will do
[14:54] <jrwren> make sure you aren't pointing to lts only
[14:55] <jrwren> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  should say Prompt=normal, not lts
[14:56] <jrwren> and I think every lts upgrade changes this back to lts
[14:56] <jrwren> so you need to change it to normal after every lts reelase.
[15:37] <rick_h_> brousch: http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/10/python-web-pep8-consistency.html now this guys will really get you
[15:40] <snap-l> Wow, that's a brilliant metric
[15:40] <snap-l> So, when are we moving to wheezy.web?
[16:00] <brousch> Django beats PYramid!
[16:08] <jrwren> those metrics are foolish
[16:08] <jrwren> i sure hope no one makes decisions based on them.
[16:11] <greg-g> I love the image associated with this article (haven't read the article yet):
[16:11] <greg-g> http://opensource.com/life/12/10/david-eaves-says-we-should-use-soft-skills-manage-communities
[16:12] <rick_h_> brousch: I don't get that. 10709 > 3627 + 266 + 1398
[16:12] <rick_h_> he says pyramid += chameleon + webob
[16:12] <rick_h_> ah, but this is per LoC in the graph
[16:38] <greg-g> Why Geeks Love Wood: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2506016/highlight/27427
[16:38] <greg-g> rick_h_: ^^
[16:39] <greg-g> can't hear him very well, but, yeah
[16:42] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh, just watching my new DVD that came in the mail today over some soup for lunch http://blip.tv/popular-woodworking-videos/build-a-sawbench-with-christopher-schwarz-8211-trailer-4320520
[16:45] <greg-g> rick_h_: what's the purpose of the triangle cutout on the top bar?
[16:45] <greg-g> brb, call
[16:52] <snap-l> brousch: http://identi.ca/event/ef358f4c-021c-4eca-b457-c815b41b5dff
[16:53] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's for taking a board (say 6" wide by 5' long) and 'ripping' it down it's length. Say, into two 3" wide by 5' long boards
[16:53] <rick_h_> it helps the two parts stay supported as you cut down the middle there
[17:09] <greg-g> rick_h_: oh, so you put that bench under the long board the long way and cut down the center of the longboard?
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: right
[17:09] <greg-g> sweet
[17:10] <greg-g> I have my grandpa's old wood working toolbox at my parent's place. He was a carpenter (along with farmer) and built a couple houses.
[17:10] <rick_h_> it's kind of cool. I bought some extra lumber from a guy last night
[17:10] <greg-g> haven't had a chance to use them, yet, unfortunately, but I love his toolbox. It's a big heavy wooden box with levels and such for everything.
[17:10] <rick_h_> he got laid off of work and ended up building kitchens for a couple of people while looking for work
[17:11] <greg-g> he was definitely one of those awesome old guys from that era who could fix anything and make almost everything
[17:11] <greg-g> nice
[17:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://blog.lostartpress.com/2012/09/20/white-star-line-tool-chest/ kind of cool speaking of old toolbox stuff
[17:12] <jrwren> greg-g: that could be you, if you wanted to be.
[17:13] <greg-g> jrwren: honestly, I need to stop with all of my excuses and start working towards that
[17:15] <jrwren> if it is something you enjoy, then do it.
[17:15] <jrwren> me, I like the idea of it more than I like actually doing it.
[17:15] <jrwren> i'll stick to my c-code and starcraft for enjoyment :)
[17:15] <rick_h_> yea, my big goal/lesson this time around is to enjoy the work itself
[17:15] <rick_h_> less than just trying to get the result
[17:15] <greg-g> word
[17:16] <rick_h_> because it takes for ever in spare time to get the thing and you end up getting all in your head with things not moving fast enough, etc
[17:16] <rick_h_> this way they come out better because I'm taking the time to just enjoy the time in the garage, so doing almost all hand tools, no dust mask, headphones, just a box stereo in the corner of the garage
[17:17] <greg-g> awesome
[17:17] <rick_h_> smoser: is there an AMI for 12.10 out?
[17:17] <greg-g> unfortunately, I picked the exact wrong city for this (well, along with NYC)
[17:18] <rick_h_> smoser: not seeing it in the list http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ami/
[17:18] <greg-g> yes yes, I need to move back
[17:18] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh yea, you'd be surprised though.
[17:19] <rick_h_> http://blog.lostartpress.com/2012/09/28/sam-cappo-a-woodworker-you-should-meet/ and on his blog http://planedetails.com/?p=104
[17:19] <snap-l> greg-g: Just vent it into your neighbors house, and call it high fiber, all natural, vegan air.
[17:19] <rick_h_> greg-g: and then there are guys that do the shared workspace thing for work space, though that's a lot less convienent
[17:19] <greg-g> snap-l: :P
[17:19] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, the shared space would be cool to learn at, though
[17:19] <rick_h_> yea, definitely
[17:20] <snap-l> greg-g: You'd pay good money for that at WHole Foods. ;)
[17:24] <greg-g> actually, I could probably sell the saw dust (for cheap) to people doing composting toliets :)
[17:24] <greg-g> (probably just give away, can't imagine others actually sell it)
[17:25] <rick_h_> yea, some buy it to put into those hoppers that make the little wood pellets for fuel
[17:26] <rick_h_> for mulch, some stuff keeps bugs away
[17:26] <rick_h_> though some woods, like walnut, are bad for plants and you can't use
[17:26] <brousch> Composting toilets?
[17:26] <brousch> When there's a perfectly good sewer system in place?
[17:26] <rick_h_> I stopped reading with composting, was enough for me :P
[17:27] <nullspace> damn it mid day update podcast is delayed too, wtf is going on are their scripts messed up are the tubes clogged, or is this all being done by an intern with a hangover
[17:27] <rick_h_> I vote hangover!
[17:28] <nullspace> you'd think this whole thing would be automated...
[17:28] <rick_h_> that takes someone that knows how to do it
[17:28] <rick_h_> you know it's some intern in the corner that has to do it
[17:28] <greg-g> brousch: / rick_h_ as someone who used a bucket in an outhouse with sawdust to cover each, uh, use, I can attest that the smell is practically non-existent. Plus, that stuff is AMAZING fruit tree fertilizer
[17:29] <brousch> Please move out of the city to do those things
[17:29] <greg-g> the bucket outhouse was in rural missouri, indeed
[17:30] <jrwren> oh yeah, i wanted to watch Mark S.'s openstack keynote. was it recorded? is it posted on web?
[17:31] <greg-g> uhhhhhhh
[17:31] <greg-g> http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases//quantal/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:31] <greg-g> that's what I got when I went through the online ubuntu.com download process (and clicked that I don't want to pay now)
[17:32] <rick_h_> jrwren: it was streamed
[17:32] <rick_h_> not sure if it was recorded
[17:32] <rick_h_> was cool to check out since he intro'd the juju gui
[17:32] <brousch> Ubuntu isn't released until jcastro_ tells me it's released
[17:33] <jrwren> greg-g: torrent?
[17:33] <greg-g> haha http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?release=latest&bits=64&distro=desktop&status=zeroc
[17:35] <nullspace> intern comment got the podcast out
[17:36] <rick_h_> nullspace: what podcast gets you all in a bunch?
[17:36] <nullspace> APM marketplace
[17:36] <nullspace> they have a morning and mid-day show
[17:37] <nullspace> they usually get the podcast out pretty quickly, except lately it's gotten a little slow
[17:37] <rick_h_> meh, it's a podcast
[17:38] <brousch> You should express your anger in a sharply-worded tweet
[17:38] <nullspace> yeah except they have a release time on the webpage
[17:39] <nullspace> brousch: already did, it got the wheel turning
[17:39]  * rick_h_ is always impressed with how big a dvd file actually is :/
[17:39] <brousch> 4GB
[17:39] <snap-l> Yeah, DVDs are good sized
[17:40]  * snap-l had an idea to have the record companies use FLAC files on DVDs for their next format
[17:40] <rick_h_> I got thinking "I'll just rip this dvd and backup the iso to s3 so I have a copy...boy that's taking a while to dd...1.5GB...this is going to take a while to upload to s3
[17:40] <snap-l> but it appears they would rather go with DVD-Audio (which is dead), SACD (which is copy-protected by having no devices on computers that support it) or Blueray Audio
[17:42] <brousch> rick_h_: Do you use a client to upload to S3?
[17:42] <rick_h_> brousch: no, just a .py script
[17:42] <brousch> Maybe something that can do it in chunks
[17:43] <rick_h_> 2.2GB ugh
[17:43]  * rick_h_ needs more upload BW
[17:43] <rick_h_> heh, upload it on my 4g mifi...go fast but use my whole month's BW allotment
[17:45] <brousch> geez
[17:46] <greg-g> rick_h_: thoughts on the anarchists tool chest book?
[17:47] <rick_h_> greg-g: It's on my list to get to, but currently backlogged with the jointer and cabinetmaker and some stuff on the shakers
[17:47] <rick_h_> Since I work out of my garage I'm more interested in hanging tool cabinets and such than a toolbox that'd take up floor space atm
[17:47] <greg-g> ahhh, good point
[17:49] <rick_h_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ui9i4map2owz6vv/2012-10-13%2020.52.04.jpg
[17:49] <rick_h_> though I am getting my hand tool collection into shape :)
[17:55] <greg-g> ok ok, back to work, enough wood pron videos
[17:55] <rick_h_> :)
[17:57] <brousch> rick_h_: S3 multipart upload http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/uploadobjusingmpu.html
[17:58] <rick_h_> brousch: cool yea they support it
[17:58] <rick_h_> just my little python script using boto doesn't do it that way
[17:58] <brousch> Fix it!
[17:58] <rick_h_> dude, I didn't even get done with bookie rss feeds last night
[17:59] <jrwren> snap-l: there is no next format.
[18:34] <smoser> rick_h_, i think that is somewhat deprecated . i hate that they did that. i'll poke around a bit.
[18:34] <smoser> rick_h_, https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/release/
[18:36] <rick_h_> smoser: thanks
[18:36] <rick_h_> smoser: yea, I had to look I know they changed it up a bit but had a guy in an irc channel asking and figured they'd be somewhere
[18:50] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, CDs are pretty much the defacto standard for physical media
[18:50] <snap-l> Though SACD has a foothold in Classical


[00:00] <maxb> Given 2.4 hasn't been removed from lucid yet, I was assuming 2.5 was not yet in jeopardy
[00:02] <ajmitch> I expect it'll be dropped to universe at least
[00:03] <ajmitch> installing python-all-dev doesn't grab python2.5-dev now, I believe
[00:03] <ajmitch> which bit me when trying to build something
[00:03] <maxb> Yup
[00:04] <ajmitch> the intent has been to only have 2.6 supported, which doesn't exclude having 2.5 in universe
[00:05] <maxb> Given Launchpad has had to maintain a PPA re-adding Python 2.4 support to jaunty/karmic packages, a PPA re-adding Python 2.5 support to lucid packages doesn't seem implausible as a stopgap measure
[00:06] <ajmitch> it does get a little annoying for 3rd parties like LP
[00:07] <maxb> I think it's good. Given how non-trivial 2.4->2.5 turned out to be, I dread to think what a pain a direct 2.4->2.6 upgrade would be like on a large codebase
[00:08]  * ajmitch is glad that the latest release of zope 2 supports python 2.6
[00:09] <maxb> Although I'm not a fan of Ubuntu's forced progress in all areas. Retrospectively, I think hal is being abandoned too soon
[00:09] <maxb> devkit-power just isn't there yet
[00:09] <ScottK> Most of the work for Python 2.6 in Debian is done.
[00:10] <maxb> Ah? What keeps them from switching default python right now?
[00:10] <ajmitch> ScottK: I've seen that, and it's good to see
[00:11] <ScottK> maxb: Maintainer won't upload it to unstable.
[00:11] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, u here at UDS already?
[00:11] <maxb> Does the maintainer have a reasonable rationale for that?
[00:11] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: Still in the air.
[00:12] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, cool... I had not internet while flying :(
[00:54] <EzraR> there is no harm droping a depend on gnome volume manager right?
[00:56] <ScottK> EzraR: Why do you say that?
[01:01] <EzraR> ScottK: I am going to drop it from a package to fix a bug report
[01:01] <ScottK> EzraR: What bug?
[01:02] <EzraR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brdesktop-flavours/+bug/412643
[01:03] <EzraR> this package doesnt actually install anything, its just a list of recommends
[01:04] <EzraR> so really i would be droping it from the recommends not depends
[01:05] <ScottK> EzraR: Seems reasonable.
[04:38] <nigel_nb> hi, i'm looking for a little help about man pages
[04:38] <nigel_nb> can someone help me figure out how they are made?
[04:41] <micahg> nigel_nb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles#Man%20Pages
[09:26] <Laney> good morning
[09:26] <slytherin> Laney: good morning
[09:34] <directhex> it's a Laney! and a slytherin!
[09:34] <Laney> rawr
[10:00] <LucidFox> Evolution must be the most un-GNOME-like application shipped by default in Ubuntu.
[10:00] <slytherin> is auto import of sources from Debian stopped currently?
[10:00] <LucidFox> It feels like a KDE application that uses GTK for some reason.
[10:01] <Laney> slytherin: It's only semi-automatic - guess the required bodies are at UDS
[10:01] <Laney> my manual syncs from early last week still haven't been done either
[10:01] <slytherin> Laney: I know it is semi automatic but I was expecting that it should have been run at least once since lucid opened for development.
[10:01] <Laney> there were problems with the code crashing on v3 source packages
[10:08] <slytherin> hmm
[10:08] <directhex> i also have noticed a lack of syncitude
[10:08] <directhex> i blame bears
[10:09] <slytherin> LucidFox: Evolution is one of the most unstable software I have ever used. The only reason it is in default install is probably because of exchange support. Ironically even that is not stable.
[10:10] <LucidFox> Sad thing is, most email clients seem to focus on being yet another Outlook/Outlook Express clone instead of usability.
[10:10] <LucidFox> Thunderbird is the least cluttered one I've seen.
[10:10] <LucidFox> And even it is quite heavy.
[10:10] <slytherin> I hope anjal can replace evolution soon.
[10:11] <LucidFox> Hmm, never heard of it, let's give it a try
[10:12] <LucidFox> Ugh, ugly.
[10:13] <LucidFox> Still, this is a step in the right direction.
[10:13] <slytherin> LucidFox: Expected. It is quite new. Not even an year old.
[10:13] <LucidFox> Ideally I'd like something like Google Chrome, but for mail.
[10:14] <LucidFox> Instead of a cluttered Outlook-like UI that pops up a wizard on first start and wastes more space on combo boxes and buttons than on message content. :)
[10:14] <\sh> I would like to see a client which can deal with this *censored* exchange crap
[10:14] <siretart`> given that evolution's development is mostly closed, with programmers sitting in I think pakistan or india, I share your surprise that we don't have a better alternative...
[10:14] <achadwick> I quite like the idea of http://sup.rubyforge.org up to a point. Give it a saner, GUIish way of displaying email and a decent backend, and it might be a winner. Course then it wouldn't be sup, but hey...
[10:14] <\sh> siretart, claws-mail for standard mail stuff works...it's a mutt with GUI ;)
[10:15] <slytherin> siretart`: Any idea where in India? If it is not far from my place may be I will pay them a visit. :-P
[10:15] <siretart`> \sh: perhaps a good choice for xubuntu, but certainly not for a gnome desktop
[10:16] <\sh> siretart, oh well...I'm a pragmatic guy
[10:17] <siretart`> \sh: btw, may I take your latest mail to fai-devel that you are unsure if we really need to fall back to unionfs-fuse?
[10:17] <\sh> siretart, in the past we had problems with aufs right? and waldemar is also not sure if the latest aufs in karmic kernel helps us...
[10:18] <\sh> eventually I can check this out later this week..
[10:18] <siretart`> yes, last time I looked at fai the problem was to totally borked aufs in jaunty's kernel
[10:19] <siretart`> I really do hope that karmic's aufs works much better on nfs, but appaerently nobody hast tested that yet
[10:25] <siretart`> slytherin: look for a local Novel/Suse subsidiary
[10:25] <slytherin> hmm
[10:26] <LucidFox> \sh> claws-mail has a horrible icon theme, from the olden days of GNOME.
[10:26] <siretart`> if you are really interested, I can ask a new collegue here at work (he is affiliated with suse..)
[10:27] <LucidFox> And it's still cluttered and standing out in GNOME.
[10:27]  * siretart` uses and loves gnus. it will even be promoted to main for lucid :-)
[10:29] <\sh> LucidFox, really, I don't care about icons ;)
[10:29] <LucidFox> And text-based clients won't do either. It may not do me favor among kewl hackerz, but I'm a GUI person.
[10:30] <directhex> i agree
[10:30] <LucidFox> And I want a cohesive desktop based on the GNOME philosophy.
[10:30] <LucidFox> I'd like to see Chromium installed by default, for example.
[10:31] <directhex> gnome philosophy means epiphany ;)
[10:32] <LucidFox> Well, just because it's the official browser in GNOME doesn't make it the best.
[10:32] <LucidFox> Same with empathy - I still don't know what they were smoking to put it in the default installation.
[10:33] <\sh> siretart, do you have a good default config for gnus?
[10:34] <directhex> LucidFox, perhaps it relates to the unspoken problems with pidgin's upstream development?
[10:34] <LucidFox> That beong
[10:34] <LucidFox> * That being?
[10:35] <directhex> can't tell you. look up "unspoken" in the dictionary ;)
[10:37] <LucidFox> "The Ubuntu community has contributed 16666 ideas"
[10:37] <LucidFox> Spooky.
[10:46] <LucidFox>  11-Jun-2008
[10:46] <LucidFox> After some complaining and whining from a few people about how long it's taking, we've finally released a new Linux version: 2.8.6, enjoy.
[10:46] <LucidFox> ^ from xchat.org.
[11:05] <siretart`> \sh: default config? what's that? :-)
[11:05] <\sh> siretart, btw...the replacement for gnus/mail today is named eclipsemail (http://eclipsemail.org/wiki/index.php/Eclipsemail_User_Guide)
[11:05] <\sh> oh pop3 only...crap ;)
[11:06] <siretart`> err, in what ways can that be a replacement?
[11:06] <\sh> siretart, for people not knowing emacs ;) but eclipse
[11:07] <siretart`> if there was only a proper text editor in eclipse.. oh well.
[11:07] <siretart`> btw, how is eclipse doing these days in ubuntu? are we still shipping obsolete/outdated packages that don't work with current 3rd party extensions?
[11:08] <\sh> siretart, well, I do like the pydev stuff from eclipse, in combination with http://eclipse-tools.sourceforge.net/shortcuts.html rocks
[11:08] <\sh> siretart, eclipse in karmic works like a charm...
[11:08] <\sh> even with 3rd party stuff
[11:10] <siretart`> oh, indeed. seems we now ship 3.5.1. cool
[11:11] <siretart`> kudos to bdrung, then! :-)
[11:17] <noneNN> will kernel 2.6.32 be on karmic repos?
[11:20] <directhex> noneNN, no. karmic is a stable release, no invasive changes go in post-release
[11:21] <slytherin> noneNN: No.
[11:21] <directhex> i still don't "get" eclipse :(
[11:26] <slytherin> directhex: keep trying, it i not that hard. :-)
[11:27] <directhex> slytherin, i've occasionally poked it since i was an undergrad, and never thought more than "ick"
[11:28] <slytherin> directhex: probably because you never worked full time on a java based app.
[11:29] <directhex> true
[11:30] <LucidFox> slytherin> Ehehehe
[11:30] <LucidFox> I can relate tot hat.
[11:31] <LucidFox> I use Eclipse for Java extensively, but I couldn't get used to it for anything else.
[11:33] <\sh> eclipse + pydev + pybzr == my favorite UI for python development (+ web ext. for html / css /javascript stuff)
[11:34] <\sh> and apache directory studio plugin for ldap stuff...
[13:12] <lfaraone> Can I build a package with CDBS that uses multiple setup.py files? If so, how?
[13:42] <ngirard> Hi all. Using equivs-build I've built & installed a dummy package whose "provides" are beeing ignored by apt-get. Specifically, my texlive-dummy does provide, among others, tex-common ; and yet  apt-get install jadetex requires libosp5 openjade1.3 tex-common tipa to be installed... any thoughts ?
[14:04] <ripps> ngirard: you need to setup Conflicts and Replaces
[14:06] <ripps> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control
[14:12] <ngirard> Hi ripps. Thanks for your answer
[14:19] <ngirard> ripps: Here's the contents of texlive-dummy.txt : http://pastebin.com/d2f5cc73a . I've used it to build such texlive-dummy package: equivs-build texlive-dummy.txt ;  sudo dpkg -i texlive-dummy_1.5_all.deb
[14:19] <ngirard> It still doesn't work as expected.
[14:20] <ngirard> sudo apt-get install tipa
[14:20] <ngirard> suggests to *remove* my texlive-dummy in order to install tex-common texlive-base texlive-base-bin and so on...
[14:22] <ripps> I don't have any experience with a control that big and complicated, wait around until a MOTU can help
[14:23] <ngirard> ripps: sure. Thanks anyway !
[14:38] <alkisg> I have a project in a bzr branch in launchpad. I want to rearrange it a lot - rename a lot of files and dirs, add many new ones... I don't mind losing the history, so is it possible to clear the whole branch and start over?
[14:40] <tsimpson> you can probably just delete the branch and push to it again
[14:41] <alkisg> Thank you tsimpson :)
[15:22] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:27] <\sh> hoi bddebian
[15:27] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[15:27] <\sh> bddebian, not in dallas @ uds?
[15:28] <geser> ngirard: tipa has a versioned dependency on tex-common and Provides don't work with versioned dependencies
[15:28] <geser> Hi bddebian, \sh
[15:28] <\sh> hey geser
[15:31] <bddebian> Heya geser
[15:31] <ngirard> Hi geser. Thanks for you answer. What would you advice me then ?
[16:00] <geser> ngirard: what are you trying to achieve?
[16:02] <ngirard> geser: sorry for beeing unclear. For all tex-related stuff I need, I've installed a fresh TeXlive 2009 manually. I want to prevent apt-get to install the official tex-related packages
[16:05] <geser> ah, you could try to build an empty package named "tex-common" with a large version (so it fullfills the dependencies but don't get replaced with a real tex-common package on next upgrade). But I don't know if there is a script which helps you doing it
[16:05] <geser> it's like a meta-pacakge but with empty Depends
[16:10] <ngirard> geser: what if I added large versions to the contents of my texlive-dummy control file ? Would it work ?
[16:11] <ngirard> to every package provided by texlive-dummy, meaning
[16:12] <geser> ngirard: Provides has only package names, no version. if you make your texlive-dummy version e.g. 2009, you still can only provide an unversioned texlive-common which doesn't fullfill the requirement of tex-common >= 1.18 (or similar)
[16:12] <geser> you would need to "rename" your texlive-dummy to tex-common
[16:13] <ngirard> geser: damn.
[16:14] <ngirard> geser: it'll take ages to generate empty, versioned packages corresponding to all texlive-related packages
[16:15] <geser> ngirard: you need only those which appear in versioned dependencies, the others can be only provided
[16:16] <ngirard> geser: insightful ! Yeah, right !
[16:16] <geser> ngirard: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual if you want to read how Provides work
[16:17] <serialorder> i don't know much yet so this might be a totally stupid idea, if it is i apologize and would like to know, but could you add it so that you could select your local version with update-alternatives?
[16:18] <ngirard> geser: okay, i'll go for your solution. Thanks very much for your assistance !
[16:19] <geser> you can use update-alternatives to select which implementation should be the default for a command, but that won't work on package versions (they are in dpkg's database)
[16:19] <geser> ngirard: I hope it works
[16:28] <ngirard> geser: it worked... at least for the very tipa package I told you about. Now, i'm afraid i'd like to ask you another question: sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash libaqbanking --> among the dependancies there also seems to be versioned dependancies of some tex-related packaged. My question is: How could I track these dependancies ?
[16:28] <ngirard> geser: here's the output: http://pastebin.com/d234ad565
[16:34] <geser> ngirard: I assume the tex packages are only recommended on some build-dependencies, I get no tex packages listed with disabled recommends (I've tested it on lucid but karmic and lucid shouldn't diverged much yet)
[16:40] <ngirard> geser: err... i'm not sure i understood, but anyway, I'm considering the following workaround: in bash or python, automate the creation & installation of dummy tex-related packages having a very high version. The only problem is, I may have problems when the official texlive 2009 packaged will be out and i want to switch to them
[16:40] <ngirard> the official texlive 2009 packaged -> packages ^
[16:43] <geser> ngirard: what you break, you'll have to fix yourself :) you could try using a high but unique version number (e.g. 9999) for which you could grep later the output of dpkg -l to find any of your dummy packages
[16:45] <ngirard> geser: good idea ! Let's go with it. Thanks again for your help !
[18:07] <maxb> Hmm. I'm trying to do my first UDD merge, and I got huge amounts of conflicts. So I read james_w's email and did it again with "bzr merge-package" which did lots of voodoo. But I still get unexpected conflicts within the debian/ dir
[18:08] <maxb> I am trying to merge lp:debian/sid/subversion into lp:ubuntu/lucid/subversion
[18:23] <randomaction> i think it's ok if you can resolve them
[18:29] <maxb> eww. The history of this branch is entirely screwed up
[18:29] <maxb> bzr merge-package is attempting to merge the changes from several already-merged debian versions
[18:35] <randomaction> oh, is it a problem with bzr-merge-package?
[18:36] <randomaction> I never used it, only MoM
[18:47] <maxb> randomaction: It turns out that this package's package branches are a bit screwed up
[18:47] <maxb> There's a debian revision bound to the history of the ubuntu package branch which isn't present in the debian package branch. This is confusing things rather significantly
[18:53] <randomaction> these branches seem to have no common revisions
[18:56] <m4rtin> once a patch has been submitted to the main-sponsors list, how long does it usually take for review?
[19:01] <randomaction> maxb: or is it because it was merged from experimental?
[19:01] <fcuk112> python-all-dev; does anyone know the diff between 9.04 and 9.10 when installing this package?
[19:02] <RainCT> fcuk112: not much, that package is empty
[19:02] <RainCT> it justs depends on all -dev packages for the different python versions
[19:03] <fcuk112> but do you know if the depencies have changed?
[19:04] <fcuk112> i am trying to upgrade libavg; and somehow it now fails through pbuilder.
[19:06] <maxb> randomaction: Oh! Yes! And yuck, that means the UDD tools are broken in this case
[19:07] <randomaction> because experimental and sid usually don't overlap
[20:07] <rizwanhudda> hi ubuntu geeks
[20:08] <rizwanhudda> i am new to ubuntu-motu , can some one suggest me where to start
[20:08] <geser> m4rtin: it depends how busy the core-devs are, now with uds happening, I'd be patient till middle/end of next week
[20:09] <rizwanhudda> hi gesser,m4rtin
[20:12] <m4rtin> geser: thanks - not moaning, just no point looking for a response before there's likely to be one (first patch over-excitement ;))
[20:17] <maxb> randomaction: huh? Surely the primary purpose of experimental is as a feeder for packages that eventually show up in sid?
[20:20] <randomaction> I mean, versions don't overlap. Last version of subversion in experimental was 1.6.1dfsg-1, followed by 1.6.3dfsg-1 in sid.
[20:20] <randomaction> There's no migration like unstable -> testing.
[20:25] <maxb> Right... there's no firm implied relationship *but* often there is a relationship since experimental is often-but-not-always a merge in the debian packager's vcs
[20:25] <maxb> s/a merge/a branch that is merged into what later goes to sid/
[20:27] <maxb> And the problem here appears to be that after a merge-from-experimental, the auto-importer didn't write appropriate ancestry for the subsequent merge from unstable
[20:28] <ajmitch> maxb: probably something you need to bug james_w about
[20:28] <maxb> yeah, once I've figured it out enough to file a bug
[20:28]  * maxb hugs bzr qlog
[20:28] <maxb> without which this would be an intractable problem :-)
[20:30] <maxb> Is there a word for a merge commit which has no changes and only exists to fix the ancestry?
[20:31] <maxb> .oO( bzr ci -m "Tie ancestry from debian/sid on upstream import branch." )
[20:34] <randomaction> I wonder if source format 3.0 (git) would make life easier
[20:39] <adama> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/15/cisco-bars.jpg
[20:41] <ari-tczew> hello devs, I have a question
[20:42] <ari-tczew> if Ubuntu's changes have been merged in Debian, should we sync package?
[20:42] <av`> yes
[20:42] <ari-tczew> but I see on merges.ubuntu.com comments "no need" or something
[20:43] <StevenK> Probably means "no need to merge"
[20:43] <ari-tczew> I think we should sync packages which are the same because it's easier for autosync in future
[20:43] <RoAkSoAx> ari-tczew, because those changes that *are* in Ubuntu, and have been *merged* to Debian, there's no need to sync a package that already have the Ubuntu Changes
[20:43] <StevenK> RoAkSoAx: Sure there is.
[20:44] <RoAkSoAx> ari-tczew, however, some of those commnets might not be up to date
[20:44] <ari-tczew> so, what's the conclusion? ignored these comments, or request a sync?
[20:44] <StevenK> RoAkSoAx: There is always a win to sync a package, because this means Ubuntu will stay up to date if Debian changes the package while the autosyncer runs
[20:44] <StevenK> ari-tczew: File a sync request
[20:45] <ari-tczew> StevenK: thanks!
[20:45] <geser> the comment could have been added late in the development cycle where it didn't make much sense to sync it at that time
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> stefanlsd, yes indeed.
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> yes and that's what I meant, that at the moment of the comment there was no need to sync it
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> stefanlsd, wrong nick sorry :P
[20:47] <ari-tczew> +1 for: [21:44] <StevenK> RoAkSoAx: There is always a win to sync a package, because this means Ubuntu will stay up to date if Debian changes the package while the autosyncer runs
[20:49] <RoAkSoAx> ari-tczew, right, but for example, you made a change in Ubuntu, i.e. apply a patch in Ubuntu and forward it to Debian, then Debian applies that patch, and releases a new package, then there's no need to merge/sync it at that moment, as geser said
[20:56] <ari-tczew> yes, but if Debian will release a new package later, we need checking again
[20:57] <ari-tczew> but if we will sync package now, later autosync can do it (get  a new Debian's package)
[21:25] <geser> now is a good time to sync such packages, but not necessarily a few weeks before beta-freeze (as an example) where we don't get any benefit from it
[21:27] <sebner> huhu geser :)
[21:31] <ari-tczew> sebner: I have added a commen for cpufire-applet on merges.ubuntu.com "feel free to take it" as you wrote in mail
[21:31] <ari-tczew> s/commen/comment
[21:36] <serialorder> StevenK, is there a reason not to submit the viewport patch in rdesktop to debian?
[21:37] <StevenK> serialorder: I don't see why not. Keep in mind I've not touched rdesktop in quite some time
[21:37] <StevenK> I happen to be subscribed to an old bug
[21:38] <serialorder> yeah I noticed, I think we have worked out a fixes for both the -y and the -K bugs
[21:38] <StevenK> Do they keep everyone happy? :-)
[21:38] <serialorder> so far
[21:38] <geser> Hi sebner
[21:39] <StevenK> serialorder: Then I think the next step is to file a Debian bug about this, or to engage with upstream directly
[21:39] <serialorder> StevenK, I decided to work on that because rdesktop was in no condition to be deployed in a LTS release the way it was.
[21:40] <serialorder> well i would like to do a little more testing first just to make sure but that would be the plan
[21:44] <ari-tczew> StevenK: could you review this bug 389856, please?
[21:46] <StevenK> ari-tczew: Looks good to me
[21:47] <sebner>  ari-tczew sure :)
[21:48] <ari-tczew> right! but not looks good for nellery
[21:48] <sebner> ari-tczew: would you mind add that comment to all of my merges?
[21:49] <ari-tczew> so are you not interesting to merging packages changed by you?
[21:49] <sebner> ari-tczew: I don't have really time for it now so it's better some contributor has a little bit of training ;D
[21:50]  * ajmitch needs training & a few merges to do :)
[21:50] <ari-tczew> sebner: If I'll get a bit of time I can comment this
[21:51] <ari-tczew> Alert! Devs, please do not closing sync's request if changes was merged in Debian!
[21:52] <ari-tczew> We are not forwarding changes for Debian, after that were rejected
[21:53] <Rocha> hi
[21:53] <ari-tczew> this is passing with the idea
[21:53] <Rocha> i'm having some trouble with launchpad
[21:54] <Rocha> how can i branch two branches i have in a project registered in launchpad?
[21:54] <ari-tczew> Rocha: #launchpad
[21:54] <Rocha> ok
[21:56] <ari-tczew> StevenK: thanks for ACK!
[22:00] <sebner> ari-tczew: thx :)
[22:21] <ari-tczew> devs! please give a comment on merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html including bug#number of sync's request, it making work on merges more easier
[22:27] <ari-tczew> sebner: you didn't change any package on main, so on universe I have marked all packages changes by you as "feel free to take it"
[22:27] <sebner> ari-tczew: great. thanks!
[22:28] <ari-tczew> sebner: working for MOTU it's my pleasure
[22:28] <sebner> heh
[23:23] <master> lol


[18:57] <ahoneybun> mhall119: your going to UbuCon Europe?\
[18:58] <mhall119> no
[18:58] <mhall119> but I am going to SELF :)
[18:58] <ahoneybun> sweet!
[18:58] <ahoneybun> jose is as well
[19:06] <ahoneybun> mhall119: do you have a talk planned?
[19:08] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yes (need to write it still)
[19:21] <ahoneybun> oh lol


[00:29] <Lzr> Hey Brokunn, you sounded like me yesterday with that problem!
[00:29] <Lzr> Brokunn: Are you using the Xubuntu alternate version?
[00:29] <Brokunn> Aye
[00:29] <Brokunn> I couldnt get the standard one to load properly since I dont have enough RAM, so I'm using the alt  ;)
[00:30] <Lzr> Mine kept freezing at the same percentage each time, although I did get farther in the install by disabling ACPI in the install options. I grabbed Xubuntu 6.06 LTS instead and upgraded to 8.04 last night
[00:30] <Brokunn> Oh, is 6.06 LTS an older version?
[00:30] <Brokunn> And where are the install options?  ;)
[00:31] <cody-somerville> 8.04 > 6.06
[00:31] <Lzr> My laptop has 224MB RAM and I still couldn't get the alternate version to work, which claims to install on machines with 64MB RAM.
[00:31] <Lzr> Yeah, 6.06 is an older version that lets you upgrade directly to 8.04. You can grab it off the Xubuntu site, then follow the directions on there on how to upgrade
[00:31] <Brokunn> My install is specifically hanging up at the "Select and Install Software" step...  usually at 6%
[00:32] <Lzr> Same here!
[00:33] <Lzr> I couldn't find any solutions, but upgrading from 6.06 to 8.04 is better than having nothing installed
[00:33] <Lzr> Sorry, 6.04
[00:33] <Lzr> Haha, 6.06.
[00:33] <Lzr> All these version numbers are making my head spin
[00:34] <Brokunn> Heh, well thanks for the tip!  I'm going to go get the install right now and give it a try.  Is the 6.04 version an alternate, or just the regular install?
[00:35] <Lzr> You can get either, I grabbed the alternate just in case
[00:35] <Lzr> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/6.06.1/release.1/
[00:35] <Lzr> The US mirrors, for example
[00:36] <Lzr> And no problem, I spent the past 2 days trying to figure out how to get a non-freezing install.
[00:36] <Brokunn> Rgr that.  Thanks Lzr  =)
[01:11] <tcabeen> super basic question if anyone has time.
[01:21] <R0b0t1> Just wondering, is it pronounced x-ubuntu or zoobuntu.
[01:21] <R0b0t1> like xylophone
[02:55] <pottythepisser> !ops
[09:26] <hooch> um.. my wife's xubuntu just lost the taskbars/panels
[09:26] <hooch> i'd know what to look for in gnome, but xfce i'm lost :)
[09:26] <hooch> any pointers?
[09:27] <TheSheep> alt+f2, type xfce4-panel
[09:47] <hooch> cheers
[09:53] <zoredache> It almost seems like there needs to be a something in xfce that automagically respawns xfce4-panel when it dies...
[10:04] <Valsum> my panel died often in Gutsy, but doesn't in Hardy
[10:56] <vecciora> My Ubuntu always run in 1280x960 when my monitor 1280x1240.
[10:56] <vecciora> Ubuntu, Kubuntu and all were same.
[10:57] <vecciora> The desktop looks tall.
[11:50] <lavish> hi all
[11:52] <lavish> Can you reccomend an app to search for files on xfce? There are catfish and gnome-utils (which includes "gnome-search-tool"), but I don't know which one is better or if there's something else available. Thanks :)
[11:53] <lavish> *recommend
[14:31] <JannoTT> hello
[14:31] <JannoTT> somebody here? :D
[14:31] <vinnl> Yep
[14:31] <vinnl> :)
[14:32]  * Myrtti hides
[14:32] <vinnl> JannoTT, Myrtti isn't here :P
[14:32] <JannoTT> How to disable pc speaker. Xubuntu peeps when i start the system(login screen). When i close the system(little before splashscreen).
[14:33] <vinnl> JannoTT, you mean the beep?
[14:33] <vinnl> JannoTT, http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&btnI=Im+Feeling+Lucky&q=disable+system+beep+xubuntu
[14:33] <JannoTT> beep yes
[14:33] <vinnl> Then see that google search, I think there are some good solutions there :)
[14:37] <JannoTT> Blacklisted pc speaker. But this solution feels kinda strange. Why aren't there just a checkbox some where what would make xubuntu not use pc speaker.
[14:38] <vinnl> I guess it's because the speaker isn't there for nothing...?
[14:38] <vinnl> ...and because there are many more urgent issues :)
[14:39] <JannoTT> What is pcm under volume control? :D
[14:40] <vinnl> Eh? xD
[14:40] <JannoTT> open volume control
[14:40] <vinnl> Ehm, where do I find that? :P
[14:41] <vinnl> Ah, you mean the panel plugin?
[14:41] <JannoTT> that should work too
[14:41] <vinnl> Ah, I see, xfce4-mixer
[14:41] <vinnl> OK, it's open
[14:42] <JannoTT> wich on controls your sound volume?
[14:43] <vinnl> Headphone
[14:43] <JannoTT> oh. :D
[14:43] <JannoTT> anyways bye.
[15:22] <jokoon> hello back Odd-rationale
[15:22] <jokoon> I tried as you told me yesterday
[15:23] <jokoon> and On the login prompt in graphical mode
[15:23] <jokoon> I did ctrl alt F2
[15:23] <jokoon> still black screen
[15:23] <jokoon> and the failsafe mode worked
[15:23] <vinnl> jokoon, completely black?
[15:23] <jokoon> yes
[15:23] <jokoon> no text
[15:24] <vinnl> Odd...
[15:25] <jokoon> vinnl
[15:25] <jokoon> yay basically the problem is that when I start a xfce session
[15:26] <jokoon> there is the default bright blue background
[15:26] <jokoon> with a mouse pointer
[15:26] <jokoon> and nothing else happens, I can move the pointer
[15:26] <jokoon> I waited long
[15:26] <jokoon> basically I have a ubuntu installed
[15:27] <jokoon> on a apple ibook G4
[15:27] <vinnl> jokoon, have you tried pressing Alt+F2 then running "xfce4-panel"?
[15:27] <jokoon> so its a powerpc
[15:27] <TheSheep> jokoon: can you swithc to console with alt+ctrl+f1, log in and run 'top' to see what processes are running?
[15:27] <jokoon> no I cant switch to a console
[15:27] <jokoon> oh
[15:27] <jokoon> Yes I'll try alt Fé
[15:28] <jokoon> f2 and xfce panel
[15:28] <jokoon> but I installed xubuntu-desktop
[15:28] <jokoon> should it be installed already ?
[15:28] <vinnl> jokoon, yes, but perhaps it isn't started
[15:29] <jokoon> shouldn't it start automatically ?
[15:29] <vinnl> jokoon, it's supposed to, yes :)
[15:29] <vinnl> jokoon, but you wouldn't be the first where it doesn't happen :)
[15:29] <jokoon> why so ?
[15:30] <vinnl> jokoon, I don't know exactly, I believe it was a problem on the livecd for people who didn't have enough memory
[15:30] <jokoon> ok
[15:30] <jokoon> the xubuntu livecd ?
[15:30] <vinnl> jokoon, yeah
[15:30] <jokoon> xfce is supposed to be lightweight
[15:31] <jokoon> I have 1gb ram
[15:31] <TheSheep> 1GB is more than enough
[15:31] <vinnl> Yeah that isn't the problem, that's way more than enough :)
[15:31] <jokoon> yes
[15:32] <jokoon> any way I curse power pc on linux
[15:32] <jokoon> so slow sometimes
[15:32] <jokoon> when I open a dir it charges so much cpu
[15:32] <jokoon> well thanks I'll try that
[15:39] <JannoTT> Dang. i like xubuntu. So simple and fast.
[15:40] <vinnl> ^.^
[15:46] <peter77> how do I set a critical power percentage in xfce?
[15:46] <peter77> I know in gnome its done in gconf
[15:47] <peter77> anyone?
[15:47] <vinnl> Sorry
[15:47] <TheSheep> with gnome-power-preferences, if you have gnome-power-manager installed
[15:55] <peter77> TheSheep: gnome-power-manager is installed by default
[15:56] <peter77> but that does not let me set the percentage
[16:00] <TheSheep> peter77: it's the same program as in gnome, so it uses teh same settings
[16:04] <peter77> TheSheep, k I'll just install gconf-editor then :-)
[16:05] <Lzr> !seen
[16:19] <JannoTT> rofl no nick/channel named seenserv
[16:21] <Valsum> :o
[16:36] <Lzr> hehe JannoTT
[16:37] <JannoTT> what
[16:39] <JannoTT> start answering Lzr :D
[16:41] <Lzr> oh I just read the <JannoTT> rofl no nick/channel named seenserv
[16:41] <JannoTT> oh. Happens :D
[16:42] <JannoTT> !seenserv
[16:42] <JannoTT> !seen
[16:42] <Lzr> Are you handy in Xunbuntu, sir? I'm trying to solve a problem
[16:43] <JannoTT> Me? No. :D Installed it yesterday first time. :P
[16:43] <Lzr> same here!
[16:43] <Lzr> I've got everything working, even my wireless card, except my CD drive
[16:44] <JannoTT> cd drive doesn't work? :/
[16:45] <JannoTT> some exotic cd drive?
[16:45] <Lzr> It "works", but I am getting an error whenever I insert a disc, even though I can still browse it
[16:45] <Lzr> I don't remember getting the error yesterday either
[16:45] <Lzr> Just some drive from a HP notebook
[16:45] <JannoTT> what the error?
[16:46] <JannoTT> what's*
[16:46] <Lzr> Took a screenshot, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=74031&d=1213457368
[16:47] <JannoTT> Don't have account. Dang gotta register. :D
[16:48] <Lzr> Gah, sorry, didn't know. Well, the bright side is you'll probably need to post there in the future, lol
[16:49] <JannoTT> maybe, maybe not :D
[16:50] <JannoTT> got acc.
[16:52] <JannoTT> can you show your fstab?
[16:52] <JannoTT> !pastebin
[16:53] <Lzr> Sure, one sec man
[16:57] <Lzr> What's the easiest way to copy/paste the fstab contents?
[16:58] <JannoTT> use some random text editor
[16:59] <JannoTT> mousepad maybe... very fast
[17:02] <Lzr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20168
[17:02] <Lzr> Ah, sweet service
[17:03] <JannoTT> how can you live without floppy device? :D
[17:04] <Lzr> I haven't used a floppy in years
[17:04] <JannoTT> comp restart. one sec.
[17:04] <Lzr> Between flashdrives and CDs, my floppy drive can RIP
[17:13] <JannoTT> :/
[17:17] <JannoTT> i can use your line with no errors
[17:58] <ieuan> I'm running xubuntu, and wondering how I can set a timer on gnome-screenshot like I can with ubuntu
[17:59] <ieuan> anyone able to help??
[18:00] <cody-somerville> Ho
[18:00] <cody-somerville> erm...
[18:05] <JannoTT> download gnome-utils from synaptic. Inside there is gnome-screenshot.
[18:05] <TheSheep> JannoTT: he's gone, attention span of a mayfly
[18:05] <JannoTT> oh
[18:05] <JannoTT> dang :D
[18:23] <anusha> how to use webcam in pidgin
[18:24] <JannoTT> omg. can't open fake drive made by wine.
[18:25] <cody-somerville> lol
[18:25] <cody-somerville> anusha, you can not
[18:25] <cody-somerville> anusha, You'll have to use a different client
[18:26] <JannoTT> The URL "~/.wine/drive_c" is not supported. Thats soo cool
[18:28] <anusha> how to use a different client
[18:30] <JannoTT> Rofl. Renaiming self extracting zip from exe to zip makes it easly unpackable. Thats so sweet. No need for wine.
[18:30] <anusha> how to use a different client in using webcam.what do u mean by that .can u explain me in brief.
[18:31] <TheSheep> anusha: you can use ekiga, for example
[18:32] <TheSheep> you have to install it though
[19:40] <djouallah_> how to change proxy setting in xubuntu,
[19:55] <neonkevo> hello, linux n00b here. was hoping maybe someone can give me a hand with my xubuntu install and my nic
[19:56] <shane_> hello can i install nimbus in xubuntu
[19:56] <TheSheep> what's nimbus?
[19:56] <shane_> a theme
[19:57] <TheSheep> what kind of theme?
[19:57] <neonkevo> shane: i installed it yesterday, it works
[19:57] <neonkevo> search around for the debian packages
[19:57] <neonkevo> the only problem with it is that it does not replace the xfce mouse icon on the task pane
[19:58] <shane_> but it gets the sweet graphics look
[19:58] <neonkevo> at least, it didn't replace it for me
[19:58] <shane_> how is it spelled i tryed searching it the way i spelled and its wrong
[19:58] <TheSheep> neonkevo: you can replace that icon manually
[19:59] <shane_> TheSheep: search it its an awsome looking desktop theme
[19:59] <TheSheep> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Nimbus+(Ubuntu+and+Debian)?content=54755
[19:59] <TheSheep> this one?
[19:59] <neonkevo> TheSheep: i haven't messed with it that much but i think i did see the icon somewhere
[19:59] <neonkevo> yes, thats the theme
[20:00]  * TheSheep isn ot impressed
[20:00] <neonkevo> IMO, the theme isnt that great. it just looks a bit cleaner
[20:01] <TheSheep> xubuntu's default, Murrina Storm, is pretty clean
[20:01] <TheSheep> I like jmak's themes though
[20:01] <neonkevo> colors were a little too dreary for me. i found something a little brighter
[20:01] <shane_> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Nimbus+theme?content=79571&PHPSESSID=932b029
[20:01] <shane_> theres the the link
[20:02] <TheSheep> not jimc, jimmac's :)
[20:02] <neonkevo> give it a shot shane, you might like it
[20:02]  * TheSheep is using murrina gilouche duo now
[20:03] <neonkevo> anyone around that can help me with a nic issue?
[20:03] <neonkevo> I'll have to try that theme TheSheep. looks like it would look good with the default tango theme
[20:04] <shane_> the only thing i got for  jimmac is a mouse
[20:04] <TheSheep> neonkevo: it looks good with the old tangerine
[20:04] <neonkevo> I'll check it out as soon as i can jump on the net with this xubuntu box
[20:05] <neonkevo> can't get my nic to work with xubuntu
[20:06] <neonkevo> its an old smc nic
[20:06] <SuPeRhOmEm> someone knows if for a pc with k6-II 500mhz processor, the 386 compiled kernel runs better?
[20:10] <Riotta> SuPeRhOmEm: yes
[20:10] <Riotta> if you will compile yourself it will run a lot better than default one
[20:11] <Riotta> on that spec
[20:11] <SuPeRhOmEm> Riotta, I was thinking about install the "linux-386" metapackage, I'm not good with kernel compilations
[20:12] <SuPeRhOmEm> but if the 386 is better than the generic version, i'm on it :)
[20:12] <Riotta> you are talking about older version of *ubuntu ? than 8.04
[20:13] <Riotta> cause in 8.04 there isn't such thing
[20:14] <SuPeRhOmEm> oh really? i'm using gutsy, upgraded from feisty
[20:14] <Riotta> like 386 compiled kernel
[20:14] <Riotta> in gutsy should be
[20:14] <Riotta> but hardy haven't got
[20:15] <SuPeRhOmEm> oh my...
[20:15] <SuPeRhOmEm> can't believe it
[20:15] <Riotta> compiling kernel isn't so hard
[20:16] <Riotta> and you have it optimised good for your machine
[20:16] <SuPeRhOmEm> well... but the drivers are a bit hard to compile
[20:16] <SuPeRhOmEm> my computer is really old.. all onboard with a pc-chips motherboard
[20:17] <SuPeRhOmEm> it was a miracle to set xubuntu running on it
[20:17] <Riotta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[20:17] <Riotta> how much ram it got ?
[20:17] <SuPeRhOmEm> 512mb
[20:17] <Riotta> well it's more than minimum for xubuntu
[20:18] <Riotta> :D
[20:18] <Riotta> which target is 192mb
[20:18] <SuPeRhOmEm> but the cpu load is almost all the time 100%
[20:19] <Riotta> I think it's kernel fault If you would compile it you can pick from configuration list exact processor type
[20:19] <Riotta> AMD K6 2
[20:19] <SuPeRhOmEm> yep!
[20:20] <SuPeRhOmEm> I heard about a program that helps you to compile a new kernel, omni- something, do u know that?
[20:20] <Riotta> I would encourage you to compile kernel by yourself and disable drivers which you don't need
[20:20] <Riotta> cause default ubuntu kernel has many modules compiled to be VERY compatible
[20:20] <Riotta> :P
[20:20] <Riotta> didn't heard about it
[20:22] <SuPeRhOmEm> well, i'll try to recompile it.. i really need a performance improvement :)
[20:22] <Riotta> also I can recommend you disabling unwanted/uneeded daemons
[20:23] <Riotta> in /etc/init.d you have plenty of files which executable right
[20:23] <Riotta> if you will took that right that daemon whouldn't be loaded at next boot
[20:23] <Riotta> it will save you some memory/cpu cycles
[20:24] <SuPeRhOmEm> I have already did it, but it wasn't enough
[20:24] <Riotta> kk
[20:24] <SuPeRhOmEm> do u think it's better to upgrade to hardy before compiling a new kernel?
[20:25] <Riotta> well it depends on you
[20:25] <jokoon> Odd-rationale TheSheep I still have a problem with xfce : it doesnt start, I tried alt f2, doesn't display anything, no terminal either...
[20:25] <jokoon> please help
[20:25] <Riotta> newer distribution = newer versions of packages. fixes, new features
[20:25] <jokoon> my power can't stand gnome
[20:25] <jokoon> I really need xfce
[20:26] <Riotta> jokoon: did you installed xubuntu by apt-get or you install it from scratch from cd?
[20:26] <jokoon> from apt-get
[20:27] <Riotta> did you installed xfc or xubuntu-desktop metapackage ?
[20:27] <jokoon> the xubuntu metapackage
[20:27] <Riotta> ok
[20:28] <Riotta> I would recommend you uninstall ubuntu base and install xubuntu-desktop again (if you don't need gnome)
[20:28] <Riotta> I will give you a command :D
[20:28] <Riotta> for cleaning this mess
[20:29] <Riotta> probably somepackage corupted or something
[20:29] <jokoon> will it keep my gnome settings ?
[20:30] <shane_> nimbus doesnt feature the full efects in xubuntu?
[20:30] <Riotta> yes
[20:30] <Riotta> settings will be fine
[20:30] <shane_> its diff then the site previews
[20:31] <Riotta> jokoon: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19643/
[20:31] <Riotta> it's one big command
[20:32] <Riotta> jokoon: but wait
[20:32] <Riotta> your can also
[20:32] <Riotta> try to see if you have set correct shortcut keys
[20:32] <jokoon> yes ?
[20:32] <jokoon> hum
[20:32] <Riotta> Applications -> Settings -> keyboard
[20:32] <jokoon> why ?
[20:33] <Riotta> then shortcuts
[20:33] <jokoon> when I do alt f2 ?
[20:33] <Riotta> and check
[20:33] <Riotta> if you have alt+f2 set correctly
[20:33] <jokoon> or when I do ctrl alt F2 to hae a term ?
[20:33] <jokoon> my problem is that when I start a xfce session, I have a bright blue background
[20:33] <jokoon> with the cursor
[20:33] <jokoon> but nothing else
[20:34] <Riotta> ah
[20:34] <Riotta> so I woud recommend you the first step
[20:34] <jokoon> nothing lighter ?
[20:34] <Riotta> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19643/
[20:34] <Riotta> probably some package
[20:34] <jokoon> yesyes I have it
[20:34] <Riotta> have been coruppted while you were downloading it
[20:34] <Riotta> and this is the cause
[20:35] <Riotta> don't be afraid on your settings
[20:35] <Riotta> all your settings are stored in your home dir
[20:35] <Riotta> and it will be not touched
[20:35] <jokoon> corrupted ? why isn't there some hash setting with apt get
[20:35] <jokoon> hash check
[20:35] <jokoon> I mean
[20:36] <jokoon> it is going some long wait
[20:36] <Riotta> well it could be a memory fault
[20:36] <Riotta> it happens
[20:36] <jokoon> I also experience a lot crashes with firefox
[20:36] <jokoon> b5 or rc
[20:36] <jokoon> when I have gmail open
[20:36] <Riotta> i remember one guy yesterday that had similar problem to you
[20:36] <jokoon> when I close the gmail tab
[20:37] <Riotta> with xfce
[20:37] <jokoon> and did he find a solution ?
[20:37] <Riotta> and he just didn't installed it cleanly somehow
[20:37] <jokoon> ok
[20:37] <Riotta> so when he installed it properly it worked
[20:38] <jokoon> but I'm removing all gnome package ?
[20:39] <Riotta> yeah all except those not used by xfce
[20:39] <Riotta> and without settings ofc
[20:39] <jokoon> so xfce will work
[20:39] <jokoon> if not I won't have gnome : (
[20:39] <jokoon> but only only xfce
[20:39] <Riotta> yeah
[20:39] <jokoon> and the yesterday guy had a powerpc ?
[20:39] <Riotta> it uses few gnome programs tho
[20:40] <Riotta> nope x86
[20:40] <jokoon> ...
[20:40] <jokoon> but all binaries are different
[20:40] <Riotta> yeah
[20:40] <jokoon> maybe its a ppc specific problem
[20:40] <Riotta> it can be ppc specific problem but I don;t think so
[20:55] <jokoon> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[20:55] <jokoon> do I remove them ?
[20:55] <jokoon> Riotta ?
[20:56] <jokoon> Do i just start a xfce session ?
[20:59] <jokoon> Riotta : (
[20:59] <zoredache> jokoon: sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:59] <Riotta> yes ?
[20:59] <Riotta> sorry I was playing a game :d
[20:59] <Riotta> autoremove and autoclean
[20:59] <jokoon> and then ?
[21:00] <jokoon> just logout and start a xfce session
[21:00] <jokoon> ?
[21:02] <shane_> #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:02] <jokoon> great
[21:15] <RandyboY> What program can encode and burn avi to svcd?
[21:15] <shane_> hey can i get konversation to stay in panel when i close it like i had in kubuntu
[21:25] <shane_> why is it when i right click on a aplication it starts and doesnt give me options
[21:39] <shane_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20212/
[21:39] <jokoon> thanks it works
[21:39] <jokoon> love to youuuu
[21:39] <shane_> can someone take a look at this and tell me why my right click doesnt open options it just opens the app
[21:40] <jokoon> whats is the shortcut command to put to start a terminal windows ?
[21:41] <TheSheep> jokoon: xfce4-terminal
[21:42] <jokoon> ty
[21:42] <TheSheep> shane_: looks good, where are you clicking exactly?
[21:42] <Riotta> jokoon: it worked ?
[21:43] <jokoon> and can I set the positions of minimize, maximize etc buttons ?
[21:43] <jokoon> Riotta : yes, thanks
[21:43] <jokoon> definilely faster and easier to use
[21:43] <Riotta> cool, I'm glad
[21:43] <jokoon> more compact
[21:44] <Riotta> yeah
[21:44] <Riotta> it have got all what you need
[21:44] <Riotta> nothing less nothing more
[21:44] <djouallah> where to configure gdm, i like to autologin
[21:44] <shane_> TheSheep: in aplications im trying to get konversation to go in pannel so when i close it it will stay open
[21:45] <TheSheep> shane_: I don't knwo about kde apps, but it should be somewhere in the program's settings
[21:46] <jokoon> Riotta Is there a setting somewhere so I can choose the position of button on the drag bar ?ike the menu button, minimize, close, maximize buttons ?
[21:46] <Riotta> djouallah: sudo gdmsetup
[21:46] <shane_> TheSheep: ok is there a better irc that will go best with xfce
[21:46] <Riotta> jokoon: I don't think so
[21:46] <djouallah> Riotta, thanks
[21:46] <jokoon> : (
[21:47] <Riotta> you mean the title bar ?
[21:47] <djouallah> btw, i was expecting it to be in the menu
[21:47] <Riotta> themes ?
[21:47] <TheSheep> shane_: xchat or pidgin, I think, but I like irssi best
[21:47] <Riotta> or you mean...
[21:47] <TheSheep> shane_: but irssi is a text-mode application
[21:47] <Riotta> jokoon: what exactly you wanna to achive ?:)
[21:47] <shane_> TheSheep: ok also is there a msn chat nockoff in xfce
[21:47] <TheSheep> djouallah: it is, in settings->login window
[21:48] <TheSheep> shane_: pidgin should handle msn
[21:48] <djouallah> TheSheep, me silly
[21:48] <shane_> TheSheep: yah i dont like pidgin at all i have kmess now
[21:48] <TheSheep> shane_: you could search in synaptic for msn
[21:49] <jokoon> Riotta in gnome you can can set the buttons positions with some string in gconf-editor metacity stuff, you just change to close,minimize;maximize,menu
[21:49] <TheSheep> shane_: I'm sure you will find several ones
[21:49] <shane_> TheSheep: ok
[21:49] <jokoon> for example I want the close button at the left, not at the right, mac os "style"
[21:50] <TheSheep> jokoon: you can set it in wm settings, just drag the buttons
[21:50] <Riotta> ah I don't think so you can change theme of the window borders only
[22:01] <jokoon> TheSheep not these buttons the one at each top of the window, the drag bar
[22:02] <TheSheep> jokoon: go to settings, setting manager, window manager
[22:02] <TheSheep> jokoon: on the right you can see two frames with buttons
[22:02] <TheSheep> jokoon: drag them around
[22:03] <jokoon> oh yes
[22:03] <jokoon> I thought that was menu buttons like generic save etc
[22:04] <TheSheep> the icons are not very intuitive
[22:04] <TheSheep> I guess they should take them from the theme
[22:07] <slow-motion> hi
[22:10] <JannoTT> Good night everyone. Time to get some sleep. :)
[22:22] <Volkodav> anybody installed opera 9.5 yet?
[22:23] <Volkodav> I have 9.5 beta 2 and 9.5 will not install saying there is later version installed ?
[22:24] <shane_> in xubuntu what is best to use synaptic or add/remove i want to keep things in the xfce as much as posible will one find the best for xubuntu better than the other
[22:27] <slow-motion> n8
[22:32] <shane_> #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:42] <shane_> hey where do i find my cd/dvd in xubuntu lol i cant find it
[23:43] <shane_> im steppin away for a min but if someone could tell me where id be thankfull


[06:27] <adam_> hey I accidently deleted a folder under /usr/src
[06:27] <adam_> and I want to put it back
[06:27] <adam_> necessary for kernel development
[06:27] <adam_> ...
[06:28] <ohsix> dpkg -S /usr/src
[06:29] <adam_> thanks... I think that's almost there, but it didn't put the folders back
[06:29] <ohsix> that just gives you package names, you can reinstall the one you think was it
[06:30] <adam_> oh! man
[06:30] <adam_> I'm so dumb
[06:30] <adam_> I should have known that. thanks man
[07:18]  * apw yawns
[07:22]  * cking offers coffee to apw
[07:22]  * apw bites your hand off
[07:24] <cking> remind me never to offer apw coffee first thing when he's grouchy
[07:25] <cking> ;-)
[07:30] <apw> heh
[07:39] <apw> cking, i want to dump the comment section out of an elf binary, i'd like it just raw, suggestions as to what to use
[07:40] <cking> hrm, must be doable from objdump somehow, surely?
[07:41] <apw> cking, somewhat but it gives me <addy> <hex> <text wrapped every 8 characters>
[07:41] <apw> and i'd rather not reconstruct it by hand
[07:42] <cking>  readelf -p .comment a.out perhaps?
[07:46] <apw> cking, readelf is easier to decode i guess ... sigh
[07:49] <cking> sure, what are you doing to require this?
[07:49] <apw> cking, i want to know what compiler was used to build the .ko in my hand
[07:50] <apw> cking, as i want to check that all builds of a kernel were with the same compiler
[07:50] <apw> cking, without booting them
[07:50] <cking> ah, sanity checking. nice
[07:50] <apw> apw@dm$ readelf -p .comment /lib/modules/3.0.0-5-generic/kernel/fs/squashfs/squashfs.ko
[07:50] <apw> String dump of section '.comment':
[07:50] <apw>   [     1]  GCC: (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-2ubuntu2) 4.6.1
[07:50] <apw>   [    2c]  GCC: (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-2ubuntu2) 4.6.1
[07:50] <apw>   [    57]  GCC: (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-2ubuntu2) 4.6.1
[07:50] <apw> so i think thats the nearest to a usable version string I have
[07:53] <ppisati> just upgraded: now skype is broken, oh crap...
[07:53] <apw> ppisati, nice
[07:55] <RAOF> ppisati: Probably missing some i386 libs if you're on amd64?
[07:55] <ppisati> RAOF: yep
[07:55] <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ~]$ skype
[07:55] <ppisati> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:56] <RAOF> ppisati: sudo apt-get install libxss1:i386; rinse and repeat until all the dependencies are satisfied.
[07:57] <ppisati> RAOF: thanks, i'll try
[07:58] <apw> RAOF, ahh is that multiarch finally coming into play
[07:58] <RAOF> apw: Yup.  ia32-libs lost a lot of weight in the last upload.
[08:06] <apw> Fetching omap...extracting...GCC: (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-6ubuntu2) 4.6.1...done.
[08:06] <apw> Fetching generic...extracting...GCC: (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-6ubuntu3) 4.6.1...done.
[08:06] <apw> cking, omg, its caught one already
[08:07] <_ruben> ohh .. that multi-arch stuff looks fancy :)
[08:08] <cking> apw, how the heck does that happen?
[08:08] <apw> compiler building in parallel with the kernel, and slightly ahead
[08:09] <cking> gah
[08:09] <apw> clearly the armel compiler built later (which given the speed of the builders makes sense)
[08:10]  * cking --> dr appointment
[08:11] <smb> Some morning make you want go straight back to bed... Just had to sweettalk the raid to ignore one lying device...
[08:11] <apw> smb, ouch, how long before you have redundancy agian
[08:12] <smb> apw, approx 139min
[08:14] <apw> smb, and presumably its as slow as snot for the duration?
[08:14] <apw> WARNING: inconsistant compiler versions detected
[08:14] <apw> yay ... it works
[08:14] <smb> apw, its okayish as it only tries to do that in the background
[08:20] <smb> apw, Of course, when that is failing, the auto-rename of networking devices decides to fail as well. leaving you with a partially renamed one nobody likes... Ok, that was simpler to recover...
[08:21] <apw> what the heck did you do to this machine ?
[08:21] <apw> you did something odd like turning it on didn't you
[08:22]  * smb thinks it may be that odd turning off before...
[08:22] <apw> smb, does maint-get-abi use getabis at all
[08:23] <smb> apw, Some mornings that machine is like me, but unlike me it cannot be cured by coffee
[08:23] <smb> apw, no thinks its all re-implemented
[08:23] <apw> have you tried coffee on the machine?
[08:23] <apw> BAH now why would you do that
[08:24] <apw> now someone will have to add the same compiler checks to that ...
[08:24] <smb> apw, Because the previous implementation sucks. Isn't that the way it has to happen?
[08:24] <smb> apw, Besides getabis would not be easily converted to not do it locally
[08:24] <apw> well the sucking parts is that you have to run it locally, it runs remotly just fine, ie out of the tree
[08:25] <smb> apw, Wait, compiler checks...?
[08:25] <apw> smb, yes compiler checks, we have a WI to check the compiler, and doing that now, so i am fixing getabis
[08:25] <apw> as that is the only time you have all the information you need
[08:25] <apw> anyhow, maybe i'll fix maint-getabis to use getabis :)
[08:27] <smb> apw, argh, hopefully not fixing python by perl code... :-P
[08:27] <apw> sounds like a great idea to me
[08:27]  * smb slaps apw
[08:28] <smb> apw, But frankly where did that WI come from and what sense does it make to check any compiler for just getting abi information from built packages?
[08:28] <apw> smb, well the work item is to know if we have compiler skew in our builds
[08:29] <apw> and it just detected compiler skew in the latest oneiric stuff
[08:30] <apw> smb, how does maint-getabis know which flavuors exist
[08:31] <smb> apw, It checks the d-i information and has some internal blacklist to ignore stuff
[08:31] <apw> smb, GAH, you complain about the current implementation and me putting perl in it ... and then you have a shell script embedded in it!
[08:32]  * smb does not remember that...
[08:32] <smb> It has been a wile
[08:33] <smb> apw, So its probably not d-i but control.d
[08:33] <smb> the vars stuff I believe
[08:33] <apw> smb, and then another to extract it
[08:34] <apw> this is basically the bits of getabis from the scirpt all cut up... i am wondering why we don't just send the getabis script from the current tree and use that
[08:34] <smb> apw, Must have been that I just was learning python and had to do the job because I needed the money
[08:34] <apw> heh maybe
[08:35] <smb> apw, Maybe, though I am sure I just did not want to rely on variously broken or different implementations of getabi
[08:35] <smb> You know how things evolve and how happy the sru team can be about fixing that kind of things
[08:35] <apw> though with hindsight we should have fixed getabis
[08:37] <smb> apw, Probably. Cannot say for sure now but I may have written this when we tried convincing people that debian.master backports are a good thing. You may remember how well that went. And I wanted it to be working for all releases.
[08:47] <smb> apw, Would it be possible to have the check coded as its own script? Then we could at least call that from maint/build/*-getabis
[08:47] <smb> if present
[08:48]  * smb goes making coffee
[09:11] <ppisati> yeah, my usb mic is broken... :(
[09:12] <smb> ahh
[09:12] <ppisati> i mean, it works
[09:12] <ppisati> it's just that m installation is broken
[09:12] <ppisati> :(
[09:12] <ppisati> doh
[09:13] <smb> all I can hear is something that sounds like a water fountain
[09:13] <ppisati> that doesn't sound so good :)
[09:13] <smb> apw, and if you don't know what we are talking about your mumble is broken too. :)
[09:14] <smb> ppisati, I guess you heard me talking, though it would not surprise me today if my mumble was broken too
[09:14] <ppisati> smb: i head something (i had music in background)
[09:15] <smb> ppisati, So at least I make some noise...
[09:15] <smb> :)
[09:21] <illusec> Dear guys, what is deferences between ioctl and unlocked_ioctl in device driver programming, why ubuntu kernel doesn't support ioctl?
[09:21] <illusec> differences"
[09:24] <apw> illusec, as far as i know they are simply different APIs for ioctl, that they wanted to change the locking rules for ioctl handlers, so they added a new one and deprecated the old one
[09:24] <apw> it is still the place that ioctl calls from userspace go
[09:25] <illusec> aha, tnx
[09:26] <bjf> apw, my unity is fixed, seems my solid background color was breaking it
[09:26] <apw> bjf ... !
[09:26] <bjf> apw, this was helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs#Getting_a_stack_trace
[09:26] <illusec> but i have a driver with ioctl, but when i change it to unlocked_ioctl for compile reasons the whole ioctls in source get me -1 !
[09:26] <apw> bjf, are you saying having your own background broke it
[09:27] <bjf> apw, now i have to make all my changes that were lost when i --reset
[09:27] <bjf> apw, yes
[09:27] <apw> do these guys test even the simplest things?
[09:27] <smb> bjf, Oh your unity --reset actually works?
[09:27] <bjf> smb, depends on your definition of "works"
[09:27] <smb> Mine bails with an error message and does nothing
[09:28] <bjf> now i'm trying to figure out where I set "focus follows mouse"
[09:28] <smb> That was at least yesterday
[09:28] <apw> bjf, is that in 'windows' control panel app
[09:29]  * smb thinks that was set in generic config of compiz
[09:30] <bjf> apw, can't find a 'windows' control panel app
[09:30] <apw> illusec, well the syscall ioctl calls do_vfs_ioctl which calls vfs_ioctl which calls unlocked_ioctl
[09:30] <bjf> apw, i'm looking at the "system settings" control panel
[09:30] <bjf> but i thought it was in CCSM somewhere
[09:30] <smb> bjf, I don't think it was in there
[09:30] <smb> bjf, Yeah either that one or the full blown
[09:31] <bjf> smb, "full blown" ?
[09:31] <smb> bjf, I thought there was some simple config bla and the otehr one
[09:31] <smb> I usually install the other one
[09:32] <smb> And last time I looked there was a generic config option in that one, in the first block of things
[09:34] <apw> bjf, its 'windows' application
[09:35] <bjf> apw, there is an application whose name is just "windows" ?
[09:37] <apw> hit the windows key and search for windows
[09:37] <apw> see if that is the one
[09:38] <bjf> apw, window == "super" ?
[09:41] <smb> bjf, just out of interest, you have the "normal" intel gfx card, right?
[09:41] <bjf> smb, yes, the i915
[09:42] <cjwatson> I'm horribly confused.  Why does ecryptfs seem to be a module in 3.0.0-8.11
[09:42] <cjwatson> ?
[09:42] <cjwatson> despite debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:1402:CONFIG_ECRYPT_FS=y
[09:43] <smb> bjf, Ok, so at least you won't be suffering the problem cking and I see where the whole gui seems to resist any of your actions
[09:43] <bjf> smb, i don't think i have that problem
[09:43] <apw> cjwatson, well what you ask for and what you get arn't always the same
[09:44] <apw> cjwatson, if they added a dependancy on something wich isn't a module it can ripple up
[09:44] <cjwatson> I have a d-i bug due to this - can I lob it over to the kernel and let you guys figure it out?
[09:44] <apw> cjwatson, yes
[09:45] <apw> cjwatson, whats the number
[09:45] <cjwatson> cool, thanks, it's bug 827197
[09:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 827197 in user-setup "/usr/bin/ecryptfs-setup-private fails with exit status 1 during install - User's home directory not encrypted" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827197
[09:45] <cjwatson> thrown your way now
[09:56] <bjf> apw, finally found it, it's in CCSM "general options"
[09:57] <apw> bjf, sadly it is not sloppy focus
[10:08]  * smb -> reboot after resync
[10:09] <apw> bjf have you found a way to get sloppy focus rather than just follows mouse ?
[10:11] <bjf> apw, not sure while i'm typing this my mouse pointer is not in the xchat window but over the desktop
[10:11] <bjf> and now over the launcher
[10:14] <apw> ok my test is " open two overlapping windows, cursor in the one behind, alt-tab to the other window (cursor is now not in the new window but still in the old), where is focus
[10:14] <apw> under sloppy it would be in the new alt-tabbed to window
[10:15] <bjf> hmm, seems to be working that way for me, alt-tab to xchat, mouse still over terminal window behind while i type this
[10:16] <apw> so what are you doing different
[10:16] <apw> you just flipped that one ticky in ccsm ?
[10:16] <apw> oh you are on oneiric, they may have fixed it there
[10:16] <apw> DOH test on the same platform wally
[10:17] <bjf> heh, yes
[10:18] <apw> yeah they have fixed it on oneiric, so i can switch back if i upgrade ... oh the joy of that choice
[11:16] <apw> ogasawara, i've just pushed a fix to bug #827197 to the oneiric tree, this is affecting the installer so needs to be in for beta-1
[11:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 827197 in linux "/usr/bin/ecryptfs-setup-private fails with exit status 1 during install - User's home directory not encrypted" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827197
[11:16] <apw> cjwatson, ^^
[11:57]  * ppisati -> lunch
[12:48] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[13:03] <herton> smb: prepare-package should be fix released (bug 829162), fixed that, just minor thing
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829162 in linux-ec2 "linux-ec2: 2.6.32-318.37 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829162
[13:03] <smb> herton, Ah, darn. Ok, next time then
[13:04] <smb> herton, note that you might need to fetch --tags because I reused the previous (unreleased/unused) version
[13:04] <herton> ok
[13:35] <cjwatson> apw: ta
[13:47]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:27] <ogasawara> kees: if you get me that updated seccomp pull request by noon-ish, I'll throw it into our Beta-1 upload that I plan to do by EOD
[14:32] <illusec> where is ubuntu's kernel changelog?
[14:33] <illusec> and list of all patches and etc
[14:36] <ppisati> herton: while trying to close a tracking bug
[14:36] <ppisati> herton:
[14:36] <ppisati> herton: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/670124/
[14:37] <tgardner> ogasawara, you need to add an ignore.modules
[14:38] <smb> illusec, The changelog you will find either in the git repo under debian.master/changelog or on launchpad (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory)
[14:38] <illusec> smb, thanks in advance
[14:39] <herton> ppisati: I think you need to add this ppa: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:arsenal-devel/ppa
[14:39] <herton> ppisati: then update to latest lpltk
[14:41] <herton> (python-launchpadlib-toolkit)
[14:42] <kees> ogasawara: okay, cool
[14:42] <ogasawara> tgardner: ack, will do
[14:48] <ppisati> herton: uhmm... what's the exact name of the pkg i need?
[14:48] <herton> ppisati: python-launchpadlib-toolkit
[14:49] <sconklin> smb, Sarvatt: Looks like we have an i915 regression in Lucid -proposed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/828550
[14:49] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 828550 in linux "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem_evict.c:183!" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:51] <ppisati> herton: it worked, thanks :)
[14:51] <herton> cool
[14:52] <ppisati> apw: what did it happen to the CVE matrix on people/~apw/cve/...?
[14:52] <apw> ppisati, s/apw/kernel
[14:52] <ppisati> herton: is it normal that it changed the bug title to "Ignore this bug"?
[14:52] <bjf> ppisati, http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[14:53] <ppisati> ok, no need fo any rebase then
[14:54] <herton> ppisati: yes. I think fsl-imx51 needs to have the released closed no and uploaded no?
[14:55] <ppisati> herton: both mvl-dove and fsl-imx51, i'm --invalidate-ing the tracking bugs
[14:55] <ppisati> ok, did for both
[14:55] <herton> ppisati: ok, so please don't invalidate
[14:55] <smb> sconklin, Hm ok. Ithink there was a large patchset to fix another nasty lockup...
[14:55] <ppisati> doh
[14:55] <ppisati> herton: just did...
[14:55] <herton> ppisati: ok, I'll fix here, wait a sec
[14:55] <ppisati> herton: ok, so what do i have to do in case there's no need for ny uploaD?
[14:55] <herton> ppisati: you just invalidate when there is nothing to upload release
[14:55] <sconklin> smb: yes, there were a number of patches. I just wanted you to be aware. As soon as we get a known good version from the reporter we can start bisecting
[14:55] <ppisati> herton: wait
[14:56] <ppisati> herton: that's the situation, nothing to do
[14:56] <ppisati> herton: aka i've notjing new to push
[14:56] <herton> ppisati: hmm ok. but isn't there anything new in the branches that should be uploaded?
[14:57] <ppisati> herton: nope
[14:57] <smb> sconklin, Yeah. Actually it seems the file where the bug occurs was created for fixes for http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/599017 http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/807508
[14:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 599017 in linux "[gm45] Xorg freeze on Firefox on one particular page" [High,Fix committed]
[14:57] <herton> ppisati: ah ok, that's fine then
[14:57] <ppisati> herton: ok, done then
[14:57] <ppisati> herton: anything else i've to do?
[14:57] <herton> ppisati: nope
[14:57] <ppisati> ok
[14:59] <apw> herton, i think this bug here is actually fixed by the fix for the CVE crasher: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/828465
[14:59] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 828465 in linux "Kernel OOPS while running Chrome: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at fffffff3" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:59] <apw> so if you had a bug for that this should be a dup of it
[15:00] <herton> apw: correct, let me see here, I think there was another bug opened
[15:00] <apw> http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/813026 perhaps
[15:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 813026 in linux-ti-omap4 "CVE-2011-1020" [Low,Fix committed]
[15:01] <apw> oh hrm no thats the cve bug itself
[15:01] <smb> sforshee, So maybe you are interested in that bug above in some way... ;)
[15:03] <herton> apw: we can duplicate it against bug 827198, though this one is nominated for maverick only, not lucid (which 828465 is for)
[15:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 827198 in linux "Kernel update google Chrome and Chromium freeze" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827198
[15:03] <sforshee> smb, yes
[15:03] <apw> herton, so if i nominate 827198 for lucid too does that make more sense
[15:04] <herton> apw: yep
[15:04] <apw> herton, nom done
[15:05] <herton> apw: thanks, marked 828465 as a duplicate
[15:05] <smb> sforshee, Hm, interestingly the BUG_ON that is hit was removed by e39a01501b228e1be2037d5bddccae2a820af902
[15:06] <apw> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:07] <sforshee> smb, I'm still trying to catch up on the issue -- which commit is causing the regression?
[15:08] <smb> sforshee, Well I guess it is multiple which were part of the fix for that hang which could be triggered through firefox
[15:08] <ogasawara> sconklin: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/u/sconklin-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:08] <smb> sforshee, You should be able to search for one of the bugnumbers I posted
[15:18]  * tgardner relocates. back on in a bit.
[15:20]  * smb decides to retire for this week. back next one :)
[15:25] <apw> smb, have fun
[15:36] <herton> ppisati: shouldn't fsl-imx51 have an update? there were changes (cve fixes) since Ubuntu-2.6.31-609.26 in -updates. also mvl-dove should be rebased
[15:36] <herton> I was checking it here now
[15:41] <ppisati> herton: not by me, at least
[15:41] <ppisati> herton: come back tuesday and i didn't commit anything, so...
[15:41] <ppisati> herton: perhas someone else have fixes and their tree, but i'm unaware
[15:42] <ppisati> s/and/in/
[15:42] <ppisati> (bloody usb keyboard)
[15:42] <herton> ppisati: ok, then you have something to do. if there are changes on the branch since latest fsl-imx51 that got uploaded, then I expected that you closed a new released and pushed, so I can prepare a new source package and upload
[15:42] <apw> fsl-imx51 is a raw tree so its not rebased, it has stuff on it ready i suspect so needs closing out; but herton you guys close them yes
[15:43] <herton> apw: hmm, so should I close? I thought ppisati did the same as stefan
[15:45] <apw> herton, i don't really care who closes it, when we talked about the process i am pretty sure sconklin said he wanted to close things as you had process and scripting in place to get it right
[15:45] <apw> sconklin, ??
[15:46] <sconklin> reading back
[15:47] <herton> the way I thought would be, is that we open a tracking bug for ppisati, without the package version. ppisati checks and closes the release in the branch if there were changes from the last package pushed in updates, or if a rebase is needed. then he updates the tracking bug with the package version, sets prepare-package to fix released. Then I or sconkling prepare the src pkg and upload
[15:47] <sforshee> sconklin, herton, smb: I chatted with Chris Wilson about the BUG_ON from bug 828550. He said it was just paranoia, never actually necessary, and in any case not something the kernel should explode on. So we could try removing it and see if any issues remain with the BUG_ON removed.
[15:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 828550 in linux "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem_evict.c:183!" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828550
[15:48] <apw> sforshee, what fun
[15:48] <sforshee> I hope we can avoid reverting the fair lru eviction patches, as they fix a pretty severe problem (full-on X hang)
[15:49] <sconklin> apw, herton: my memory matches what herton just described
[15:49] <sforshee> If that's agreeable to you guys I can make a test build
[15:49] <apw> sconklin, ok then cool
[15:49] <apw> ppisati, either way the mvl-dove branch needs a rebase i suspect
[15:49] <sconklin> sforshee: I'd be tickled if you just run with this and ask the reporter to test
[15:49] <sforshee> sconklin, all right, I'm on it :)
[15:50] <apw> sconklin, now the copy branches do you do those or do we
[15:50] <apw> i presume we do those too
[15:50] <apw> but you do the lts-backport-xxx yes ?
[15:51] <ppisati> apw: really? actually there are no open cve in mvl-dove that were closed in master
[15:51] <ppisati> anyway, i rebase
[15:51] <mjg59> kirkland: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Matahari is what I mentioned yesterday
[15:51] <sconklin> apw: yes, I think that is what was intended to be accomplished by creating the tracking bugs for derived packages, and assiging them to various teams or people. Maybe we don't have that right yet
[15:52] <apw> ppisati, right but there are general updates which it will get if rebased, stable updates etc yes ?
[15:52] <ppisati> ok
[15:52] <apw> a
[15:52] <ppisati> so, a rebase is coming
[15:52] <sconklin> typically, someone else prepares the lts-backport-xxx kernal and tags it (coughTim) and we package it, I think
[15:53] <apw> sconklin, ok if you arn't doing them then we need shankbot to make derivative branch bugs for them too no ?
[15:53] <apw> sconklin, t
[15:53] <herton> sconklin: hmm, I thought were doing now the lts-backport-*, I did the last maverick backport
[15:53] <apw> they are just a script and upload
[15:53] <sconklin> ok, if herton did it, then they are ours
[15:53] <sconklin> yeah they are easy
[15:53] <ppisati> git branc
[15:53] <ppisati> ops
[15:54] <apw> git: did you mean
[15:54] <apw>  git branch
[15:54] <ppisati> :)
[15:54] <apw>  git remove-all-my-files
[15:54] <apw>  git fall-over-in-a-heap
[15:54] <apw> git: chosing git-remove-all-my-files -- hope i got it right
[15:54] <herton> ppisati: so I'm reopening/fixing your tracking bugs, so you can update them when finished
[15:54] <ppisati> herton: k
[15:55] <ppisati> herton: so, i rebase mvl-dove and where do i put it? zinc?
[15:56] <apw> ppisati, i'd say push it to zinc and put the pull request in the bug
[15:56] <herton> yep, works for us
[15:56] <ppisati> in the tracking bug?
[15:56] <ppisati> ok
[16:05] <ppisati> ok, rebase done, is compiling now
[16:05] <ppisati> ill be back in a bit
[16:07] <herton> ppisati: fixed tracking bugs. when you're ready, you can comment on them, and set prepare-package to fix released (also update the bug title with the version of the closed release)
[16:07] <herton> bbl, lunch here
[16:10] <herton_> ppisati: fixed tracking bugs. when you're ready, you can comment on them, and set prepare-package to fix released (also update the bug title with the version of the closed release)
[16:11]  * herton_ -> lunch
[16:12] <diwic> hey you git experts
[16:12] <apw> diwic, s'up
[16:12] <diwic> I'm trying to run "git blame" on something, and what I get is a whitespace change
[16:12] <diwic> for the line I'm interested in.
[16:13] <apw> ok
[16:13] <apw> so perhaps git blame <whitspace committish>^ -- <filename>
[16:13] <diwic> how do I continue, i e "git blame" for the version of the file that was before the whitespace change?
[16:13] <apw> and get a history at that point instead
[16:13] <apw> note the ^
[16:14] <diwic> apw, hey, we could do jeopardy, you come up with the answer before I even ask the question!
[16:14] <apw> heheh
[16:14] <apw> let me know if it doens't wor
[16:14] <apw> work
[16:15] <diwic> it did, many thanks
[17:07] <kirkland> mjg59: aha, thanks, reading now
[18:00] <ppisati> herton: ok, should be done
[18:00] <ppisati> herton: tell me if it's ok, i'll prepare dinner in the mean time
[18:00] <herton> ppisati: ack
[18:11] <herton> ppisati: at mvl-dove, it's missing a * Release Tracking Bug:... entry in the changelog, with the tracking bug number opened
[18:12] <ppisati> herton: hold on
[18:17] <ppisati> herton: does it go in debian/changelog or debian.mvl-dove/changelog? or both?
[18:17] <herton> ppisati: only in debian.mvl-dove/changelog
[18:18] <ppisati> herton: ok, see if it's ok
[18:20] <herton> ppisati: looks good now
[18:21] <ppisati> cool
[18:21] <herton> ppisati: oops, noted a problem
[18:21]  * ppisati finally bails out for the weekend :)
[18:21] <herton> ppisati: you used the maverick mvl-dove bug, that was recently opened. It's confusing right now, since we have mvl-dove on lucid and maverick
[18:21] <ppisati> doh!
[18:22] <ppisati> crap
[18:22] <ppisati> ok, let me fix it
[18:23] <herton> we have two bugs, for now check the tag or nomination to see which is which. I think may be shank bot could add a comment there, when opening the tracking bug, to make things more clear (eg. saying from which maverick or lucid release it opened the tracking bug)
[18:26] <ppisati> herton: ok, repushed to zinc pointing to the lucid mvl-dove tracking bug
[18:27] <ppisati> herton: in the maverick bug, i deleted the name/version and reverted "prepare package" to New
[18:27] <ppisati> unfortunaely i can't delete my comment "please reset HEAD ..."
[18:27] <ppisati> i'll add anither comment down there
[18:27] <ppisati> saying to ignore my pull request
[18:27] <herton> ppisati: hehe np, it's ok now both, thanks. about fsl-imx51, will you close the release later, or do you wish that I do it?
[18:28] <ppisati> i can close it now if you want, i mean, --invalidate it
[18:28] <ppisati> the same could be done for omap4
[18:48] <herton> ppisati: seems a netsplit here. about fsl-imx51 we shouldn't invalidate it, we must release, there are unreleased cve fixes in the branch, but that can wait, no need for you to verify now
[19:47]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[19:50] <pedahzur> Don't know if this is directly kernel related (feel free to direct to the appropriate place), but: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/829696
[19:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 829696 in linux-firmware "Upgrading to version 1.52.1 breaks broadcom b43 driver" [Undecided,New]
[21:35] <kees> hm, bug 825207
[21:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825207 in linux "gnome-system-monitor fails to launch with latest kernel upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825207
[22:22] <jjohansen> rebooting


[06:29] <igors> hello. I'm having problems trying to create a upstart conf (http://dpaste.com/1488863/), the file is /etc/init/nsw.conf. '$ nsw start' hangs. But if I execute the "exec" manually it works


[00:12] <lifeless> wgrant: is login.lp.net being ubuntu themed deliberate?
[00:14] <wgrant> lifeless: Yes.
[00:17] <lifeless> ok, thanks
[00:17] <frozencemetery> wgrant: /+request-token
[00:17] <lifeless> folk were just asking in the openstack context (where LP's SSO is still used, but its a multi-distro world:) ...
[00:20] <wgrant> lifeless: It's the lesser of two evils. A very many people were always terribly that U1 SSO == LP SSO, and that SSO email addresses != LP email addresses.
[00:20] <wgrant> always terribly confused, that is.
[00:26] <lifeless> wgrant: would issueing permanent redirects work?
[00:27] <lifeless> might be nice to have the l.l.n domain fade away
[00:27] <wgrant> lifeless: That's the plan.
[00:28] <wgrant> We need to preserve redirects/delegations from there, and we need to be careful of consumers that actually care about the domain.
[04:07] <basketballl> how do i edit the code of a project on launchpad
[18:48] <tramm> Where I can find any documentation about Atom feeds that Launchpad supports?
[18:48] <tramm> I think it's not only bug feeds as described here: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Subscriptions#Atom_feeds
[22:43] <wolsen> anyone here able to help answer question regarding open id team extension for launchpad open id?
[22:44] <wgrant> wolsen: Sure.
[22:44] <wolsen> wgrant, cool thanks :-)
[22:46] <wolsen> wgrant, so are there restrictions about when team information might be returned when making the openid auth request?
[22:48] <wgrant> wolsen: Private teams won't be returned for consumers that aren't explicitly whitelisted, and users can elect not to send particular team memberships.
[22:48] <wolsen> wgrant, okay, I'm aware that users can elect not to send particular team memberships, but can you elaborate more on the private teams and the whitelisting comment?
[22:49] <wolsen> wgrant, e.g. how is the whitelisting performed?
[22:49] <wolsen> wgrant, or perhaps where
[22:55] <wolsen> wgrant: is that something the team admin can choose to do?
[23:00] <wgrant> wolsen: AFAIK it's currently a boolean flag which either sends private memberships or doesn't, which means in practice it's a feature that's only available to consumers run by Canonical.
[23:00] <wgrant> Because it can't be restricted to particular teams.
[23:02] <wolsen> wgrant, ah I see - okay that's quite helpful and explains why I'm not seeing what I'm hoping to see - thank you!
[23:09] <arayaq> Hi, I'm trying to build a recipe, but failed. Here is the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7889230/ I looked for a solution or source of the problem but coulnt find anything, can I get some help?


[05:27] <crass> wgrant: damn, so its impossible to switch from "rebuild sources" to "copy binaries" when copying from one ppa to another?
[05:35] <wgrant> crass: Right
[05:44] <crass> thanks for clarifying... would be nice to have a notice or help box on the copy packages page notifying the user about that
[05:46] <crass> also do you know anything about the code importer?  I'm wondering what happens when the history is changed for a git import.
[05:47] <crass> I'm guessing the revision of the last import would never change, since effectively it would be in a detached head state
[05:57] <wgrant> crass: It'll import whatever the remote history is.
[05:57] <wgrant> crass: If the head changes to something completely different, it'll import whatever history is implied by that head
[05:58] <crass> oh, sweet, that's exactly what I'd like
[06:07] <crass> is there a way to "copy binaries" and change the version?
[06:09] <wgrant> No
[06:09] <wgrant> You have to upload a new source
[11:04] <cristian_c> Hi
[11:04] <cristian_c> i'd like to change the subrscrition option for a bug report
[11:04] <cristian_c> but I can't
[11:06] <cristian_c> ok, it's incredibly changed
[11:06] <cristian_c> :O
[11:07] <cristian_c> XD
[11:09] <cristian_c> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/48267
[11:10] <cristian_c> the bug has been assigned to the user has re-opened it
[11:10] <cristian_c> How is it possible?
[11:10] <cristian_c> :O
[11:17] <tsimpson> they assigned the bug to themselves and changed the status from Invalid to Confirmed
[11:23] <cristian_c> tsimpson, ok, but the user is not a developer
[11:24] <tsimpson> cristian_c: so?
[11:24] <cristian_c> tsimpson, the bug should be assigned to a developer
[11:24] <cristian_c> :)
[11:25] <tsimpson> anyone can assign the bug to someone, and anyone can change the status
[11:26] <cristian_c> tsimpson, I know this user. I'e suggested him to re-open the report
[11:26] <cristian_c> *I've
[11:26] <cristian_c> but he doesn't know linux
[11:26] <tsimpson> then unassign them from the bug I suppose
[11:27] <cristian_c> How can I/he do?
[11:27] <cristian_c> *do/does
[11:28] <tsimpson> on the bug page, click the pencil icon next to their name under "Assigned to", and choose "Remove assignee"
[11:29] <cristian_c> tsimpson, removed, thanks
[11:29] <cristian_c> :)
[11:30] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[11:30] <cristian_c> :)
[12:25] <PrototypeX29A> hi
[12:25] <PrototypeX29A> it looks like some of the bugs i reported in launchpad are gone (not fixed, but the reports are gone)
[12:25] <PrototypeX29A> are bugs reports deleted at some point?
[12:26] <wgrant> No, they are never deleted.
[12:26] <wgrant> Do you have an example?
[12:26] <PrototypeX29A> i am looking for a series of bugs i reported or commented on related to my display going blank
[12:26] <PrototypeX29A> i can't find any of those
[12:26] <wgrant> What's your Launchpad username?
[12:27] <PrototypeX29A> the same as here
[12:28] <PrototypeX29A> "All related bugs" lists 10 bugs, but i should have reported and commented on way more
[12:28] <wgrant> That lists only open bugs by default
[12:28] <PrototypeX29A> i get it
[12:28] <wgrant> The advanced search link will let you search for all statuses, as well as duplicate bugs.
[12:29] <PrototypeX29A> thansk
[12:30] <PrototypeX29A> expired?
[12:30] <wgrant> Ubuntu closes bugs when information is requested from the reporter and the bug goes unanswered for 60 days.
[12:32] <PrototypeX29A> i never get what they want, it seemed to me they were working on it
[12:33] <PrototypeX29A> can i reopen the bug?
[12:33] <PrototypeX29A> like that one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/740893
[12:33] <wgrant> You should be able to switch the status from Expired to New
[12:36] <PrototypeX29A> i cant find where
[12:36] <wgrant> There's an edit icon next to Expired in the affects table.
[12:36] <PrototypeX29A> i am not the original reporter, though
[12:36] <PrototypeX29A> found it, thanks
[16:13] <tgm4883> I thought I remembered hearing that non-canonical PPA's could now build armhf packages, but I can't find any info on that. Am I crazy?


[04:18] <ojwb> kind of off-topic, but i've been asked if I know anyone interested in about 10 hours a week doing PC and printer support at wellington airport
[04:19] <ojwb> feel free to PM me and I can put you in touch
[04:19] <ibeardslee> the airport doesn't have their own?
[04:20] <ojwb> i think it's for an airline, but I don't know any details
[04:20] <ojwb> it's just some sideline of the people i'm working for currently
[04:23] <ibeardslee> ahh
[05:20] <Atamira> pity i didnt live in wellington
[05:51] <zapzupnz> Heh, yeah. If only it were Napier Airport, different story. :P
[05:51] <Atamira> or even chch airport
[05:51] <Atamira> since im here now
[05:53] <ojwb> if only there was some fast way to get from one airport to another
[05:54] <Atamira> lol
[06:00] <G> ojwb: you mean a ministrial motorcade?
[07:10] <zapzupnz> Driving around the place in expensive BMWs, doing not much useful stuff at all
[07:10] <zapzupnz> I'm already doing half of that
[07:10] <zapzupnz> The other half should be a doddle
[21:16] <Atamira> mornin