[12:01] <bdale> is keyspan firmware available, or do I need to build a kernel from upstream source to get that?
[12:01] <Ex-Cyber> so evidently it may just be coincidence that my mainboard works at all
[12:02] <Ex-Cyber> all indications so far are that I really do have a VT8377 in a board designed for a VT8367
[12:03] <kbrooks> why are packages in universe not supported?
[12:07] <snowblink> is anyone here using KDE with Hoary?
[12:07] <Riddell> snowblink: yes
[12:07] <warty_> it works. u peeps rock! the first ditro that actually works straight out of the box
[12:07] <warty_> thank u
[12:08] <snowblink> Riddell: having trouble running things like the network configurator. Any ideas?
[12:08] <Ex-Cyber> warty_: yeah, it just barely missed it for me, but I'm finding that may be the fault of my mainboard manufacturer :/
[12:08] <warty_> zeedo u crckface hehe
[12:08] <tanek> good night!
[12:08] <warty_> bsrf crackers
[12:08] <warty_> take a hike
[12:09] <warty_> :-)
[12:09] <snowblink> Riddell: just get an empty window
[12:09] <warty_> thanks peeps and this is only the live cd
[12:09] <warty_> u guys rock
[12:09] <warty_> we at indymedia love u
[12:09] <warty_> bye now :P
[12:10] <AndyR> anyone made a hoary live cd yet?
[12:10] <kbrooks> AndyR, someone has.
[12:10] <AndyR> is it available for d/l then?
[12:11] <kbrooks> Yes.
[12:11] <kbrooks> gimme a second to locate
[12:11] <AndyR> i would like to try it without committing
[12:12] <kbrooks> are you on a intel-based pc
[12:12] <AndyR> kbrooks, yes
[12:12] <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-2/hoary-install-i386.iso
[12:13] <AndyR> live cd?
[12:13] <kbrooks> locating
[12:13] <kbrooks> and that isnt the live cd
[12:13] <kbrooks> sorry, misread
[12:14] <AndyR> ok np :)
[12:14] <kbrooks> hold on
[12:14] <krischan> hey guys, what command can I use to make the PC speaker beep? I want to create an alarm signal.
[12:14] <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[12:14] <kbrooks> there.
[12:15] <AndyR> kbrooks, great, thank you
[12:16] <kbrooks> you are very welcome
[12:19] <kbrooks> you cant add packages...not unless you remount / first
[12:19] <kbrooks> mount -o remount, rw -f /
[12:20] <AndyR> i will do a apt-get upgrade if all work
[12:20] <kbrooks> you cant add them onto the live cd btw
[12:24] <AndyR> thats fine
[12:30] <sergeantmcd> AndyR, does the ubuntu installer assume the drives are partitioned and formated?
[12:32] <lexhider> just noticed the latest upload for gnome-menus mentioning "gnome launch box", where can this box be found?
[12:33] <jdub> it hasn't been uploaded yet
[12:33] <Ex-Cyber> so now I have an entirely more plausible theory: I got a Soyo Dragon KT400 Lite in a Dragon KT333 box because someone couldn't tell the difference
[12:33] <Ex-Cyber> hard to be sure though
[12:33] <Ex-Cyber> in any case my X performance has magically gotten much better
[12:34] <saif> hello
[12:34] <lexhider> ta
[12:34] <AndyR> sergeantmcd, no
[12:34] <saif> just installed ubuntu on my laptop, 2 things i couldn
[12:34] <saif> 't figure out,
[12:34] <saif> how do i get IR to work'
[12:35] <saif> and how to set cpu freq to 100% all the time?
[12:36] <saif> I once managed to get to a site that gives beginners a good place to start for ubuntu, how to mount drives and some stuff u have to add in a file in order for the apt-get and update commands wo work
[12:36] <saif> and get packages
[12:37] <kbrooks> the 'file' is none other than sudo
[12:37] <kbrooks> super user do
[12:37] <saif> hehe
[12:37] <saif> no i got that part
[12:37] <poppo> saif : which site is it ?
[12:39] <saif> there is a configuration file, in which u specify where synaptec should get the name of packages from, and where to find those package lists
[12:39] <saif> poppo: i don't remember  :(
[12:39] <monkey89> /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:39] <saif> i'll go check, i have to ucomment some stuff and add a url to that list
[12:40] <bdale> is there some reason the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto don't talk about the --initrd option to make-kpkg, and instead suggest/insist you build a non-modular kernel for core io?
[12:40] <keyshawn2> saif: did you check the forum yet ?
[12:41] <FX|Laptop> hello
[12:41] <FX|Laptop> Wondering if anyone can give me a hand.
[12:41] <saif> keyshawn2: nop, nothin yet, just dropped by here :) and it is the source.list file i was looking for :) thanx
[12:41] <FX|Laptop> I just upgraded to hoary and I cannot load X
[12:42] <keyshawn2> is this it ?
[12:43] <AndyR> it?
[12:43] <AndyR> ah ok
[12:44] <keyshawn2> what irc client do you use here ? question open to all.
[12:44] <saif> xchat
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> irssi
[12:45] <kbrooks> gosh
[12:45] <gen> irssi
[12:45] <kbrooks> suddenly my internet is slow
[12:45] <kbrooks> xchat and irssi
[12:45] <BackSlaSh> bitchx
[12:45] <Quest-Master> XChat.
[12:45] <Quest-Master> :)
[12:46] <red_cpu> hi
[12:46] <FX|Laptop> any ideas on my no x in hoary?
[12:46] <nburns> xchat.. irssi sometimes though
[12:47] <randabis> xchat
[12:47] <gen> i use mirc via wine, hurr
[12:47] <gen> only kidding :)
[12:48] <red_cpu> any one know one time pad?
[12:48] <keyshawn2> srry, fx, never used hoary.
[12:48] <Quest-Master> Irssi and XChat look identical
[12:48] <Quest-Master> :o
[12:48] <jrydberg_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/smbclient_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:49] <jrydberg_> somethings has changed?
[12:52] <Printer_Prob> Hi all
[12:53] <Printer_Prob> anyone willing to help out with CUPS usb printer conifg please?
[12:53] <kbrooks> Printer_Prob, ASK
[12:53] <kbrooks> goddammit.
[12:54] <Ex-Cyber> hmm
[12:54] <Ex-Cyber> X still seems to get backed up sometimes
[12:54] <Ex-Cyber> but it is substantially faster
[12:54] <Printer_Prob> kbrooks: thanks. We're new to linux and using these two refs, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-23872-0-asc-12.html and http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/howto/CANON-I850-CUPS haven't been able to get it working... canon i550 printer
[12:55] <Printer_Prob> kbrooks: ppd driver doesn't seem to really work or give access to all configs, think it's probably not working, any ideas/
[12:55] <Printer_Prob> ?
[12:58] <caleb_> any plans for an xorg-dev package in hoary?
[12:59] <Printer_Prob> any one can help with setting up a printer?
[01:00] <SCube> Where are Hoary live CDs available for download?
[01:00] <kbrooks> SCube,
[01:00] <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:01] <SCube> kbrooks: thanks.  downloading now.
[01:01] <mindphasr> How do I not let ubuntu dist-upgrade upgrade to kernel 2.6.10?
[01:01] <mindphasr> keep it at 2.6.9
[01:02] <Quest-Master> kbrooks: Would you happen to know how to reformat a memory stick and still have my digital camera be able to read it?
[01:02] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, No.
[01:02] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Anyone else?
[01:03] <keyshawn2> printer_prob: is there another printer model # besides that one ?
[01:03] <keyshawn2> on it ?
[01:03] <icerogue> hi all
[01:03] <SCube> Quest-Master: what filesystems have you tried?
[01:04] <Quest-Master> SCube: That's the problem, I don't know how to format a memory stick
[01:04] <Quest-Master> :P
[01:04] <Printer_Prob> keyshawn2: all we can see is Canon i550 on the top, or where else would we look? It is also using the japanese canon linux drivers, there the printer is known as pixus
[01:05] <keyshawn2> on the back of it, is there a label ?
[01:05] <keyshawn2> try checking this page - http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon
[01:05] <SCube> Quest-Master: It should be one of the mkfs.FSTYPE commands.  Try mkfs.msdos /dev/DEVICE.
[01:06] <vasi> i just added some RAM, does this mean i have to bump my swap partition?
[01:06] <kbrooks> SCube, HOLD ON
[01:06] <Adrenal> anyone else hear, outlook is gonna now be a paid service?
[01:06] <thenuke> vasi: I think not.
[01:06] <vasi> since now real memory > space on swap
[01:06] <kbrooks> DON'T!
[01:06] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, ignore him.
[01:07] <thenuke> vasi: I have never understood that rule "have a swap 2x your RAM"
[01:07] <Quest-Master> kbrroks: Ok :\
[01:07] <Quest-Master> *brooks, ack
[01:07] <thenuke> like if I was to have 10gigs of ram, I should have then 20gigs of swap?
[01:07] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, you don't want to be messing with msdos.
[01:07] <thenuke> wtf..
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> vasi: no
[01:07] <thenuke> need for swap for sure must depend on what I am doing with my box :)
[01:07] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, look on your photo's manufacturer site
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> thenuke: you are absolutely right
[01:07] <vasi> thenuke: i was under the impression that linux needed at least as much swap as RAM, hmm....where can i learn more?
[01:07] <Quest-Master> kbrooks: Might just try calling Sony and see what they say
[01:07] <kbrooks> vasi, no.
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> vasi: use your own good judgement
[01:08] <SCube> kbrooks: It should be mkfs.msdos or mkfs.vfat, right?
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> I've run machines entirely without swap for a long time
[01:08] <thenuke> HrdwrBoB: did you mean that part, "if I have 10gigs RAM, I should have 20gigs ram" :D
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> generally handy to have swap
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> but eh
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> thenuke: no, the other bit
[01:08] <kbrooks> SCube, well, you haven't gotten the full story.
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> where you said it was garbage
[01:08] <scoon> vasi: the rule of thumb is 2*ram should be your swap size.
[01:09] <regeya> OK, here's my issue:  I imported some captured video into Kino.  I've encoded it using the mpeg2enc/mp2enc method.  Audio is spot-on at the beginning, but after about an hour of video the audio is off by, say, 3 seconds(!)  I've tried deinterlacing the video, same result, and I've tried different audio sampling rates, and I've even tried using the ffmpeg scripts inclded with Kino.  I'm a bit confused. :-/
[01:09] <scoon> vasi, but that is just a "rule of thumb"
[01:09] <scoon> vasi, i have 1g of ram and keep 1g of swap
[01:09] <thenuke> vasi: sorry but I do not know where you could learn more about swapping, if I were you and I were interested on that matter, I would try googling with keywords,  linux, swapping, swap, swapspace, and so on
[01:09] <kbrooks> scoon, please!
[01:09] <thenuke> and maybe "how does linux use swap" or something..
[01:09] <scoon> kbrooks, ?
[01:09] <vasi> is it possible to put swap in a file (or multiple files) on my root partition, like OS X does? so that way there's no hard limit....anyway, i've been googling it, it's hard to find good info, i'll keep trying
[01:10] <thenuke> vasi: it is possible, but I dont remember how you did that :D
[01:10] <kbrooks> scoon, too much is too much
[01:10] <thenuke> it must be very simple indeed
[01:10] <scoon> kbrooks, you are correct.  try reading before attacking
[01:10] <thenuke> scoon: well, have you ever utilized that swap even a bit :)
[01:10] <scoon> kbrooks, i said "rule of thumb"
[01:11] <kbrooks> scoon, ok. fine then.
[01:11] <scoon> thenuke, nope.  but w/ 160gigs
[01:11] <scoon> kbrooks, but i was just stating a rule of thumb
[01:11] <Printer_Prob> keyshawn2: we can't find any other info than i550, thanks for your link, though we can't see our printer there strangely...
[01:11] <scoon> i set up 1gig of swap and I have 1 gig of memory
[01:11] <thenuke> that rule of a thumb is not wise ;D
[01:11] <thenuke> atleast me thinks so
[01:11] <thenuke> if 99.5% of ppl have no reason following it :P
[01:11] <scoon> thenuke, what if you only have 256m of ram.
[01:11] <thenuke> we should correct that rule a bit
[01:12] <scoon> thenuke, learn what "rule of thumb" means
[01:12] <thenuke> scoon: I have 64megs, and run a modified X and a fluxbox and so on, and I think I have never needed any swap ;D
[01:12] <SCube> vasi: yes, thats possible.  you use dd to create the swapfile, then mkswap on it, and finally swapon.
[01:12] <vasi> SCube, is it growable? or do i have to grow it manually?
[01:12] <scoon> thenuke, good for you.
[01:13] <vasi> thanks btw :-)
[01:13] <scoon> thenuke, is that your primary box ?
[01:13] <thenuke> no, I use that box for firefox and such
[01:13] <keyshawn2> printer: try here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=702
[01:13] <scoon> thenuke, what do you use it for.  internet, email, or anything else ?
[01:13] <icerogue> whats the package that pretty much gives you everything need to run make
[01:13] <thenuke> anyways, if I had 256megs of ram, I think about 256M of swap would be enough
[01:13] <keyshawn2> it says to use the bjc 800 driver instead.
[01:13] <thenuke> but to be sure I would have 512M of swap or more
[01:13] <SCube> vasi: It is not growable on the fly.  You must select the file size when you create it.
[01:14] <scoon> thenuke, again, "rule of thumb" comes into play.
[01:14] <Printer_Prob> keyshawn2: thanks very much, that's the printer and we didn't know about that resource... we could try with that driver, thanks again
[01:14] <vasi> tnx SCube
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[01:14] <scoon> thenuke, for you that may be the case.  but for a person who could be "doing more" w/ their box, 2X ram may be better for them.
[01:14] <Quest-Master> haha
[01:14] <daniels> *sigh*
[01:14] <thenuke> that rule of thumb should state something like, "if you have 64M of ram, have 4x swap, if you have .. .. 256M, have 2x swap"
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> the rule of thumb is 'have some swap'
[01:15] <scoon> thenuke, NO.  don't get caught up in an EXACT amount.  interpret "rule of thumb" as a suggestion
[01:15] <icerogue> the system i am working on now has 32mb and a 166 mhz proccessor
[01:15] <thenuke> anyways, if someone asks me how much they should have swap, I would feel stupid just saying, 2x ram, without asking how much ram do they actually have
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> given that ram costs $SFA
[01:15] <jimbo> what sound card should I get for ubuntu?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> just buy some more
[01:15] <scoon> thenuke, i didn't say that.
[01:16] <SCube> jimbo: check the alsa-project.org webpage for supported cards.
[01:16] <keyshawn2> uhh..is that lamer going to get banned ?!
[01:16] <Quest-Master> jimbo: Most Creative cards work really well. I am on a Soundblaster Live LS
[01:16] <jimbo> SCube: ty
[01:16] <Quest-Master> jimbo: It was only $29.99 too
[01:16] <abysmal> does supported mean all features are supported and driven though
[01:17] <jimbo> I have a sound blaster live 24 bit , but no sound
[01:17] <neighborlee> in not so sure upgrading to hoary on my 'main' OS is smart...so how do I get past this error where nvidia installer says i've got the wrong kernel source..indeed ubuntu came with : <IP_ADDRESS>-2-i386 yet the linux-source pacakge is : <IP_ADDRESS> ;(.. ??
[01:17] <SCube> Does anyone know why my CD-ROM and CD-RW are not automounted anymore?  I have gnome-volume-manager set up to automount.
[01:17] <jimbo> I'm new and maybe I have no idea what to do..   lol
[01:19] <abysmal> im guessing imac g5s are out of the question for linux, i really wanted to try this
[01:19] <vasi> oh cool, there are dynamic swap managers available
[01:19] <Quest-Master> abysmal: Why?
[01:19] <vasi> abysmal: http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/12/2146223&mode=thread
[01:20] <abysmal> yeah but I have no idea how to use those patches
[01:20] <abysmal> patch the iso?
[01:21] <SCube> jimbo: try `lsmod | grep snd'.   Your driver should be snd_emu10k1 I believe.
[01:22] <jimbo> Scube: ty
[01:22] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:22] <vasi> nope abysmal, i bet they're kernel patches
[01:22] <vasi> gentoo has a page up re: imac g5 http://dev.gentoo.org/~tgall/
[01:23] <HaRDaWaY> i have one question, i have ubuntu hoary with xorg, 6.8.1, i want to use fglrx drivers of ati, i have to install it with apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[01:23] <daniels> HaRDaWaY: yes
[01:23] <HaRDaWaY> only with this?
[01:23] <neighborlee> is there by chance a hoary iso to download and install over warty with or must I just synaptic all of it ;(
[01:24] <HaRDaWaY> or..i have to change driver, to "fglrx" in the xorg.conf or anything ?
[01:24] <MFen> anyone know how to get vnc at boot, complete with a gdm login window?
[01:26] <linuxn00b> hey guys I need to copy a folder from my computer at home...but i'm not sure how. I can ssh into it but I can't transfer anything :s and I really need these file
[01:27] <optyk> linuxn00b: scp
[01:28] <linuxn00b> but I need to retrive them not send...i thought scp can only send.
[01:28] <vasi> i think you can retrieve with 'scp user@machine:/remote/path /local/path'
[01:29] <optyk> yup
[01:29] <optyk> or you can use sftp
[01:30] <Scognito> hi all
[01:30] <linuxn00b> optyk, nothing is happening
[01:30] <linuxn00b> I think it's because of the router here
[01:30] <HaRDaWaY> how install ati fglrx drivers in my ubuntu hoary with xorg 6.8.1 ?
[01:30] <Scognito> [hoary]  gnome-cd doesn't fetch automatically the track information from internet, any hint?
[01:30] <Scognito> only sound juicer download them
[01:32] <jdub> Scognito: works here
[01:32] <Scognito> jdub, hoary?
[01:33] <jdub> yeah
[01:33] <vasi> thanks for your help everyone!
[01:33] <Scognito> damn!
[01:33] <jdub> run cddb-slave2-properties
[01:33] <Scooter> will it slow down my Ubuntu if I install KDE? there are a few programs i want to use once in a blue moon for KDE... TIA :)
[01:33] <jdub> see if it's misconfigured
[01:33] <Scognito> so it is my problem...
[01:33] <jdub> Scognito: putting software on the disk won't slow your system down
[01:33] <HaRDaWaY> ccc
[01:34] <Scognito> i have: 1) don't send information, and 2) Server roundrobin FreeDB
[01:34] <jdub> Scooter: and you can install them individually
[01:34] <jdub> Scognito: sounds about right
[01:34] <Scooter> Oo cool
[01:34] <Scooter> Thanks again Jdub you Rock :D
[01:34] <Scognito> jdub, in works with sound juicer
[01:34] <Scognito> do you have hoary up to date?
[01:34] <jdub> Scognito: do you need a proxy? have you set your gnome proxy?
[01:34] <jdub> yes
[01:35] <Scognito> never used proxy in my life :)
[01:35] <Scognito> and it worked, don't know when this problem started
[01:36] <linuxn00b> crap, when I try to scp I keep getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
[01:36] <linuxn00b> " I know i'm putitng in the right password
[01:37] <SCube> linuxn00b: if you have a recent lftp, you can connect to a ssh server as a ftp site.
[01:37] <linuxn00b> SCube, ok i;ll try that
[01:41] <caleb_> jdub: you have any insider info on getting an xorg-dev package in hoary?
[01:42] <jdub> caleb_: daniels can answer :)
[01:43] <caleb_> daniels: *ping*
[01:43] <linuxn00b> LMFAO!!!!!!!! i've been entering the wrong IP hahahhaha
[01:43] <gen> that's not too funny
[01:44] <Scognito> jdub, have you tried goobox?
[01:44] <odyssey> thats just dumb
[01:44] <Quest-Master> daniels: What should I do if I am interested in being a software developer for Ubuntu?
[01:45] <jdub> Quest-Master: see the new maintainer pages on the wiki
[01:45] <jdub> Scognito: yes, but s-j is better. :)
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Is that for software developers as well?
[01:45] <daniels> caleb_: pong
[01:46] <caleb_> daniels: any news on a xorg-dev package?
[01:46] <Scognito> jdub, i love the cover to be displayed eh eh
[01:46] <daniels> caleb_: uh?
[01:46] <Scognito> btw goobox doesn't show artist information too.. :(
[01:46] <jdub> Quest-Master: soon we will have a distinction between committers and maintainers, but we don't for the moment.
[01:46] <daniels> caleb_: general development headers for client-side libraries, or building drivers out-of-tree?
[01:47] <jdub> Scognito: perhaps freedb is having problems, s-j uses musicbrainz
[01:47] <caleb_> daniels: client side libs
[01:47] <daniels> caleb_: ... they're all there ...
[01:47] <daniels> caleb_: which library do you want?
[01:47] <Scognito> jdub, good
[01:47] <Scognito> so maybe it is a freedb problem
[01:47] <Scognito> but...
[01:48] <Scognito> you told me it is working on you... :(
[01:48] <caleb_> daniels: I'm needing a package that includes X11/Intrinsic.h
[01:48] <caleb_> well, provides rather
[01:48] <daniels> caleb_: that would be libxt-dev
[01:48] <Scognito> daniels, are you muine maint?
[01:48] <daniels> Scognito: no
[01:48] <Scognito> sorry, packager i mean
[01:48] <jdub> Scognito: sounded like it was intermittent for you
[01:48] <daniels> Scognito: i'm neither
[01:49] <Scognito> daniels, eh eh ok sorry...little mistake
[01:49] <Scognito> jdub, if sj doesn't use cddb2 then cddb is fucked
[01:49] <caleb_> daniels: ahhhhh thanks!  sorry for the confusion.  The RH package was named xorg-x11-devel
[01:49] <daniels> caleb_: yeah, we have it split up into one for each library, more or less
[01:50] <caleb_> daniels: thats cool.  thanks again.
[01:51] <daniels> np
[02:04] <borgista> ~O)
[02:06] <chapter3> hello all
[02:06] <chapter3> is there any way to use 2.6.9 in warty?
[02:07] <borgista> i'm sure you could just recompile the kernel yourself.
[02:07] <borgista> as far as i know.
[02:07] <HaRDaWaY> i use kernel 2.6.10-3 in hoary, and..i need to install ati drivers for xorg 6.8.1
[02:07] <Yannick_> anyone made totem read dvd movies?
[02:07] <HaRDaWaY> :S
[02:07] <borgista> Now, my problem: I can't play CDs. This is pretty dumb, I know. I've been able to make my PC play CDs with other distros. But this time, no dice.
[02:08] <chapter3> ok, also, is there a way to "revert" back to warty after an upgrade to horay?
[02:09] <gusto> how do you upgrade to horay?
[02:09] <jdub> chapter3: not sanely, no
[02:09] <jdub> gusto: see the hoary upgrade guide on the wiki
[02:10] <HaRDaWaY> there are some howto to install ati drivers with xorg 6.8.1 ?
[02:10] <gusto> jdub: thanks
[02:10] <jdub> HaRDaWaY: they're in hoary already
[02:10] <HaRDaWaY> jdub,  but...then i only have to make: apt-get install fglrx-drivers ?
[02:10] <HaRDaWaY> or, xorg-fglrx-drivers
[02:10] <daniels> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:10] <HaRDaWaY> aha, and....anything more?
[02:10] <caleb_> are there plans for NetworkManager in ubuntu?
[02:11] <HaRDaWaY> i dont have to change ati to fglrx in xorg.conf ?
[02:11] <jdub> caleb_: possibly next release
[02:11] <HaRDaWaY> or run fglrxconfig
[02:11] <chapter3> i'm having bad video performance, and i wanted to upgrade to horay to see if it fixed it
[02:11] <icerogue> what is a good low resorce mp3 player for linux?
[02:11] <daniels> HaRDaWaY: change ati to fglrx in xorg.conf
[02:11] <HaRDaWaY> ok thanks
[02:11] <lexhider> icerogue: xmms
[02:11] <icerogue> tnx
[02:11] <icerogue> thanks
[02:12] <chapter3> anybody else had slow redraw in gnome with ubuntu?
[02:24] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[02:25] <HaRDaWaY> daniels, not runs, i have installed ati drivers, but...when i make: modprobe fglrx: "module not found"
[02:29] <daniels> HaRDaWaY: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[02:32] <HaRDaWaY> ok thx
[02:40] <drspin> how do I launch it?
[02:41] <brittBS> is anyone having problems with dist-upgrading to latest hoary? I am getting problems with libgtksourceview
[02:41] <brittBS> is this a known issue right now?
[02:42] <Kokey> Hi! I've upgrade to Hoary, and now can't run gnome, runs gdm, but not gnome
[02:42] <cafuego> Mine updated fine 2 hours ago.
[02:42] <randabis-laptop> maybe the upate didn't finish
[02:43] <neighborlee> why is the provided linuxsource package 2.6.8 not the same as the default kernel that comes with ubuntu ?.ie: downloadable source package says its <IP_ADDRESS>-2-i386 where uname -r shows <IP_ADDRESS>...ie: my nvidia driver wont compile against it ;( ?????
[02:43] <brittBS> cafuego, odd ... it's saying libgtksourceview-common's /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang is conflicting with the libgtksourceview-cil package
[02:43] <randabis-laptop> why are you compiling the nvidia driver?
[02:43] <neighborlee> only way around it I guess is to upgrade to hoary to get new nvidia but gez that'll take 3 hours at the rate its downloading at!! lol
[02:43] <Kokey> in my case, don't finish, then I run apt-get -f install and then dist-upgrade again
[02:44] <Kokey> and finish well
[02:44] <neighborlee> randabis-laptop, because the nvidia driver that comes with ubuntu is 6111..I need to try the latest one because of some sluggish behavior im seeing
[02:44] <brittBS> is doing this on both my notebook and desktop
[02:45] <randabis-laptop> ah
[02:45] <randabis-laptop> you could try grabbing the one from hoary, but I don't know about that
[02:45] <cafuego> brittBS: lemme see if it have that installed at all.
[02:46] <randabis-laptop> but if you must compile the driver, you don't need the kernel source
[02:46] <randabis-laptop> you need the kernel headers
[02:46] <cafuego> brittBS: yeah, I don't have libgtksourceview-cil installed.
[02:46] <brittBS> cafuego, hrm ... but you have libgtksourceview-common?
[02:46] <neighborlee> randabis-laptop, worth a shot
[02:47] <cafuego> brittBS: yep
[02:47] <randabis-laptop> you'll have to specify the path to the headers
[02:47] <cafuego> brittBS: Check which app wanted the -cil version on your box
[02:48] <Xenguy> gusto: because altho Ubuntu is OT in this #, freebsd apparently is not :p
[02:48] <Xenguy> gah - ww
[02:48] <brittBS> cafuego: -cil is mono stuff ... so I'll just remove mono from my desktop for now ... not critical.
[02:49] <kbrooks> hmmm. i need to loop over characters ub a String
[02:49] <drspin> well it's almost useable...
[02:49] <drspin> I may use it just for file management :)
[02:49] <kbrooks> in*
[02:49] <kbrooks> oops
[02:50] <kbrooks> wrong chan
[02:50] <moyote> Could someone remind me how to get xterm back. Every time I open xterm it closes. I know there is a way to correct this, but I can't remember. Thank you.
[02:51] <brittBS> i can't do an apt-get remove right now because it is saying i have to do an apt-get -f ... but I don't want to fix things, I'm just going to remove the problem.
[02:51] <brittBS> how can I bypass this?
[02:51] <cafuego> brittBS: You can always force the install (dpkg --force-overwrite -i foo.deb)
[02:52] <brittBS> cafuego, more specifically i want to force no checking in apt-get ... i didn't see it in the man
[02:53] <cafuego> brittBS: If apt-get downloaded it, it's fine. it's just a file wanting to overwrite.
[02:57] <kleper> i new whit ubuntu
[02:57] <kleper> i need now the password of root when i intall the net system?
[02:58] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu doesn't use the root account
[02:58] <Adrenal> u can make one however
[02:58] <randabis-laptop> unless you enable it after the install
[02:58] <Adrenal> try running the command through sudo
[02:58] <kokey> please somebody can help me with my gnome in hoary
[02:58] <Adrenal> kokey:what up?
[02:59] <kokey> don't enter to gnome
[02:59] <Adrenal> eh?
[02:59] <kokey> gdm runs well
[02:59] <randabis-laptop> he broke his gnome when he upgraded to hoary
[02:59] <kokey> yes that's it
[03:00] <kokey> sorry about my poor english ;)
[03:00] <Adrenal> no problem
[03:00] <Adrenal> hmm, damn
[03:00] <Adrenal> seriously, i have no idea?
[03:00] <randabis-laptop> yeah I don't know what to do either
[03:00] <Adrenal> dl and install an older version of gnome
[03:00] <Adrenal> ?
[03:00] <randabis-laptop> you could try to remove gnome and reinstall it possibly
[03:00] <Adrenal> or try xfce
[03:01] <kokey> Adrenal that's good, I'll try xfce by now
[03:01] <Adrenal> grand, then try reinstalling gnome through that
[03:01] <kokey> ok
[03:02] <randabis-laptop> do you get any errors when you try to run gnome?
[03:02] <randabis-laptop> have you tried running a gnome failsafe session?
[03:03] <kokey> randabis-laptop no errors, and can't use failsafe
[03:03] <randabis-laptop> so what happens?
[03:05] <kokey> sorry, got to go, I'm in the office, BRB, Thanks!!!!
[03:05] <randabis-laptop> lol
[03:06] <Adrenal> bitch x ay?
[03:07] <Adrenal> nah, i prefer xchat
[03:08] <Adrenal> hmm, when i try to use tor and privoxify through firefox, or, anything, it always just completely stops it from connecting
[03:08] <Adrenal> anyone wanna hazard a guess as to why?
[03:10] <randabis-laptop> I likes my xchat too
[03:22] <swim> hay folks, need some help,  booted up, ran startx and gnome started but Im getting blank background as well as blank background... what I did before rebooting was, I did chmod -x /etc/something/gdm and added nvidia to /etc/modules ... thats all
[03:22] <bennyp> Hello! Where can I find a complete list of packages in ubuntu universe?
[03:23] <bennyp> swim - can you check your logs to see if the module was loaded properly?
[03:23] <bennyp> also, the problem might be in gdm, check the gdm logs
[03:23] <swim> bennyp, nvidia module? I saw the splash...
[03:24] <bennyp> hmmm.... so it's probably gdm
[03:24] <bennyp> is anyone on the forum exporiencing the same problem?
[03:24] <swim> where is the gdm log?
[03:24] <jdub> bennyp: the packages.gz in the archive :)
[03:24] <jdub> swim: /var/log/gdm/
[03:24] <swim> havent had a chance to check yet bennyp
[03:24] <swim> thx jdub
[03:24] <bennyp> jdub: i'm not near an ubuntu pc right now, is there a list on the web?
[03:24] <jdub> bennyp: yeah, the Packages.gz in the archive -> archive.ubuntu.com
[03:24] <bennyp> oh sweet hehe thanks
[03:25] <bennyp> ubuntu has great community. I'm using gentoo right now to make music... i want to see how many sound apps ubuntu has
[03:25] <blaze> Hey all
[03:25] <bennyp> hello
[03:26] <jdub> bennyp: if it's in debian, it's in universe
[03:26] <swim> hrmm I dont see anything in particular in the /var/log/gdm, so I guess Ill do a chmod +x /etc/something/gdm  (where is that btw?) and reboot and see if that was the issue
[03:26] <bennyp> great thanks
[03:26] <bennyp> chmod +x makes a file executable
[03:27] <swim> yah I know :)
[03:27] <swim> I asked Where is that, not What is that
[03:28] <mebaran> Anybody know how to activate the templates in gnome
[03:29] <mebaran> so I could just right click to make a new document anywhere on the desktop
[03:29] <jdub> mebaran: mkdir ~/Templates
[03:29] <jdub> mebaran: throw some files in there
[03:29] <mebaran> ok cool
[03:29] <bennyp> swim: locate gdm
[03:29] <mebaran> just any blank files
[03:29] <jdub> mebaran: yep
[03:29] <jdub> mebaran: or non-blank ;)
[03:29] <mebaran> haha
[03:29] <mebaran> ah
[03:29] <mebaran> now I see
[03:29] <mebaran> thanks jdub!
[03:29] <mebaran> also
[03:30] <mebaran> is anyone experience any major evolution problems in that it wont start, or let me edit preferences anymore
[03:30] <bennyp> Well the Hydrogen package is up to date, but ZynAddSubFX is behind. How can I find out who maintains a particular package?
[03:32] <Scognito> hi all
[03:32] <mebaran> jdub: does gnome need a reboot after I do that
[03:32] <mebaran> must I restart X
[03:32] <Scognito> can someone play midi files on ubuntu? I don't know how to play them
[03:32] <mebaran> etc
[03:33] <mebaran> Scognito: do you know what kind of snd card you have
[03:33] <jdub> mebaran: killall nautilus :)
[03:33] <mebaran> ok
[03:33] <Scognito> mebaran,  sb128
[03:33] <swim> yup it was the gdm thing, but thats lame I dont like using gdm, or starting it at boot... there has to be a way I can disable that and still be able to use gnome ... anyone?
[03:33] <jdub> mebaran: once the templates dir is there, it will automagically update the menu of templates
[03:33] <mebaran> ah Scognito: you need to load a sound font
[03:33] <jdub> mebaran: but it won't detect if it's created
[03:33] <Scognito> 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a)
[03:33] <scoon> swim, take a look at update-rc.d
[03:33] <bennyp> What MIDI player are you using?
[03:34] <mebaran> oh jdub: sexy
[03:34] <Scognito> bennyp, i tried kmid
[03:34] <mebaran> that is actually the most logical setup I could think of
[03:34] <mebaran> it should be better documented
[03:34] <bennyp> have you checked the logs from kmid?
[03:35] <Scognito> bennyp, it doesn't start
[03:35] <Scognito> i need some apply easy to use
[03:35] <bennyp> try starting kmid from terminal
[03:35] <bennyp> see what the error message is
[03:36] <Scognito> bennyp, it hangs on some kde errors...btw i don't want to use kde apps
[03:36] <bennyp> ok
[03:36] <bennyp> try playmidi
[03:36] <Scognito> trying playmidi
[03:36] <Scognito> :)
[03:36] <bennyp> there are many many midi players to try
[03:36] <Scognito> bennyp, do you have midi working?
[03:36] <swim> is there a wav file editor for gnome?
[03:36] <bennyp> audacity
[03:37] <swim> thought that was qt?
[03:37] <Scognito> open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[03:37] <bennyp> scognito: i'm not even using ubuntu right now, i'm using gentoo (gasp!!)
[03:37] <bennyp> hmmm
[03:37] <Scognito> trying to load snd-seq
[03:37] <bennyp> thats a problem
[03:37] <bennyp> what is your sound card?
[03:37] <Scognito> sound blaster 128
[03:37] <Scognito> btw i did modprobe snd-seq
[03:38] <swim> is ubuntu unlike some other debian based distros where its perfectly safe to use debian pkgs?  is it really better to use only ubuntu packages?
[03:38] <Scognito> and i got no prompt...it is hanged
[03:38] <bennyp> hmm
[03:38] <bennyp> it could be the kernel module
[03:38] <dafox7> i know it must have been talked about before, but can anybody point me out why xmms isn't working ?
[03:38] <Cinder> what do you mean by not working ?
[03:38] <Scognito> bennyp, syslog tells me it tries to create some devs:
[03:39] <Scognito> Jan 21 03:37:33 Doolittle udev[8988] : creating device node '/dev/sequencer'
[03:39] <Scognito> Jan 21 03:37:33 Doolittle udev[8997] : creating device node '/dev/sequencer2'
[03:39] <Scognito> these are the last 2 lines
[03:39] <jdub> swim: stick to ubuntu packages, you should find everything you need in universe
[03:39] <dafox7> Cinder, i just apt-get install xmms, and i get an error
[03:39] <swim> jdub, ok will do
[03:39] <dafox7> Cinder, well I get the error when I load xmms
[03:40] <bennyp> I am doing a clusty search right now for you.. have you searched the forums?
[03:40] <swim> jdub, ah another ubuntu question, I just came from archlinux where updating is easy and quick and should be done once a week at least because things come out for it so fast... should one update ubuntu every now and then like that? if so whats the safest way to do so (btw Im using hoary)
[03:41] <Scognito> i'm googling
[03:41] <bennyp> what is in /etc/modules.conf
[03:41] <Cinder> back
[03:42] <bennyp> there should be lines like
[03:42] <bennyp>  alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
[03:42] <mindphasr> swim: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade .. i do it daily.
[03:42] <swim> mindphasr, cool thanks
[03:43] <swim> one more question :)  is it safe to install kde apps, like amarok ... ?
[03:43] <Scognito> bennyp, yes i have that line
[03:43] <Scognito> i killed modprobe
[03:43] <DonL> got my 10 free copies of Ubuntu yesterday. Can't believe how popular they were around the office today
[03:43] <heliolith> dafox7 do you have a nvidia card, and if so could that be your xmms problem?
[03:43] <Scognito> and the modules seems to be loaded
[03:43] <dafox7> heliolith, I do habe an nvidia card
[03:43] <dafox7> heliolith, I do have an nvidia card
[03:43] <heliolith> dafox7 'cause I do, and had to install additional lib
[03:44] <heliolith> dafox7 sec
[03:44] <Scognito> hem sorry my sc is a sound blaster live 5.1
[03:44] <bennyp> ok
[03:44] <dafox7> I can't get to work my nvidia drivers as well :-(
[03:44] <bennyp> do you have a file called /etc/modules.d/alsa?
[03:44] <heliolith> dafox7: sudo apt-get install libmikmod
[03:44] <Scognito> bennyp, no
[03:45] <Scognito> but alsa works
[03:45] <swim> crimsun, are you about?
[03:45] <bennyp> do you have awesfx installed?
[03:45] <Scognito> no
[03:45] <jdub> swim: if you're using hoary, it's up to you
[03:45] <Scognito> going to install it
[03:45] <bennyp> you may need that to use the onboard midi synth on your sblive
[03:46] <jdub> swim: you'll only find and fix the good bugs if you're keeping up :)
[03:46] <Scognito> ok installed
[03:46] <dafox7> heliolith, how can i load the nvidia module in ubuntu ?
[03:46] <heliolith> dafox7 I followed the instructions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 and it worked for me
[03:46] <heliolith> dafox7 but I'm a complete newb... just trying to help
[03:46] <thundrcleeze> should I use synaptic to install the nvidia or should I get a more recent one from the nvidia site?
[03:47] <bennyp> does it work now?
[03:48] <swim> one other important question:  the new nvidia drivers do not work for me (6229) so I had to downgrade nvidia packages/ kernel  ... so how can I put those on hold so that when I do a apt-get dist-upgrade it does not mess with those?
[03:48] <CLucas916> i think im losing my mind. i can find all of the xmms plugins but i cant find xmms
[03:48] <bennyp> also, try the aplaymidi command
[03:48] <Scognito> bennyp, i didn't used awesfx
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> swim, force version
[03:48] <bennyp> you may need to have awesfx installed
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> swim, it's under package, lock version
[03:48] <Scognito> bennyp, i've just installed it
[03:49] <Scognito> aplaymidi wants a port (?)
[03:49] <bennyp> hmmm
[03:49] <swim> thundrcleeze, under package?
[03:49] <CLucas916> i think im losing my mind. i can find all of the xmms plugins but i cant find xmms
[03:49] <Scognito> is it so hard to play midi on linux???
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> swim, sorry I was thinking of synaptic.  You could use that if you wanted.
[03:49] <superkitty> hi all
[03:49] <bennyp> no, but i've never done it before =)
[03:50] <bennyp> so it will be hard untill we find the answer together
[03:50] <heliolith> Clucas916: did you try sudo apt-get install xmms ?
[03:50] <thundrcleeze> swim, otherwise there should be a command option, let me see if I can find it.
[03:50] <Scognito> eh eh
[03:50] <bennyp> perhaps you need to reload alsa after installing awesfx
[03:50] <mebaran> Scognito: you need to dll asfxload
[03:50] <CLucas916> heliolith, ya and i did apt-cache and its not there
[03:50] <swim> thundrcleeze, hmm I think I would preffer command line on this
[03:50] <superkitty> does Real PLayer play midis?
[03:50] <mebaran> awesfx
[03:50] <mebaran> no
[03:50] <mebaran> try playmidi
[03:50] <Scognito> playmidi: No playback device found.
[03:51] <thundrcleeze> swim, okay, let me look.  Also, how did you get rid of the xserver to install the nvidia driver?
[03:51] <heliolith> Clucas916: and did you reboot gnome?  (not sure that's necessary but would be my next guess)
[03:51] <bennyp> it is because /dev/sequencer has not appeared
[03:51] <CLucas916> that has nothing to do with it
[03:51] <bennyp> try reloading alsa modules and snd-seq
[03:51] <Scognito> bennyp, i have it
[03:51] <bennyp> on gentoo i type /etc/init.d/alsasound restart
[03:52] <Scognito> something similiar is on debian
[03:52] <bennyp> maybe there is an equivalent in ubuntu
[03:52] <Scognito> ok
[03:52] <swim> thundrcleeze, mmm oh at the time xserver wasnt able to start because I changed xorg.conf to hav nvidia instead of nv and since I didnt have anything installed it couldnt find nvidia module
[03:52] <Scognito> reloaded
[03:53] <thundrcleeze> swim, oh, so you didn't install the driver?
[03:53] <swim> thundrcleeze, I did after that yes
[03:54] <bennyp> do you have the same error still, Scognito?
[03:54] <Scognito> yes
[03:54] <Scognito> btw i tried kmid from root
[03:54] <thundrcleeze> swim, how did you go about that?  Did you apt-get it or did you get it from the nvidia site like me?
[03:54] <Scognito> it starts, and "play" the file, but i got no sound
[03:54] <bennyp> hmm
[03:54] <Scognito> the progressbar is moving
[03:54] <swim> thundrcleeze, apt-got it
[03:54] <bennyp> you said the error was permission denied for /dev/sequencer, correct?
[03:55] <swim> thundrcleeze, from warty repository
[03:55] <Scognito> bennyp, the permission are not a great problem
[03:55] <Scognito> the problem for now is get sound... :)
[03:56] <bennyp> but if root owns /dev/sequencer and no other users can use it...
[03:56] <swim> does anyone know the command to lock version of certain packages so that when you run apt-get dist-upgrade those packages are not touched?
[03:56] <jdub> swim: echo <packagename> hold | dpkg --set-selections
[03:56] <Scognito> bennyp, for now i want to test by root, so i'm sure it is not a permission problem
[03:56] <thundrcleeze> sorry I couldn't find it swim
[03:57] <swim> thats cool thundrcleeze thx
[03:57] <Scognito> with kmid i can select several devices
[03:57] <dafox7> what can i use to test if my 3d acceleration work ?
[03:57] <freedomla> hi, i'm trying to install linux on my powerpc, but i am having trouble booting from the cd
[03:57] <Scognito> emu10k1 wavetable port [0...3]  ALSA
[03:57] <jdub> dafox7: glxinfo
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> what packages would I get to install the nvidia driver?
[03:58] <Scognito> and emu10k1 mpu401 (UART) rawmidi 0
[03:58] <bennyp> try them all
[03:58] <swim> jdub, cool thank you... btw to keep the same nvidia driver packages I have now, Ill need to hold nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common kernel-image and what else?
[03:58] <Scognito> wavetable0 is selected for now
[03:58] <graymalkin> greets
[03:58] <Scognito> trying others
[03:58] <rellik> I'm working on nvidia now...  nvidia-glx-* worked for me
[03:59] <graymalkin> got a ? about forwarding x11 or vnc on unbuntu
[03:59] <graymalkin> anyone got an answer?
[04:00] <tottinge> depends on the question  ....?
[04:00] <graymalkin> ...tryin to get rid of all these damn monitors :/
[04:00] <Cinder> whats wrong with Ubuntu
[04:01] <Cinder> why does my clock take like 33.2mb of my memory
[04:01] <bennyp> do you have these lines in etc/modules.conf?
[04:01] <bennyp>  alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
[04:01] <bennyp>  alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
[04:01] <bennyp>  alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
[04:01] <bennyp>  alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
[04:01] <bennyp>  alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
[04:01] <bennyp> sorry bout spam
[04:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> can anyone please help me with 4 lines of shell script?
[04:01] <graymalkin> figured out how to install ssh d but, i'm a newbie with this
[04:01] <Scognito> bennyp, yes
[04:02] <Scognito> maybe now it is a problem of mixer?
[04:02] <hams> can i run the live cd off an amd athlon machine?
[04:02] <Scognito> i only get no sound but the progressbar is moving
[04:02] <bennyp> it could be muted
[04:03] <Scognito> bennyp, do you know what is the midi mixer?
[04:03] <bennyp> Scognito check this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736&highlight=%2Fdev%2Fsequencer
[04:03] <mebaran> Evolution contact importation is not working for me
[04:04] <tottinge> graymalkin: I always use cygwin Xwin.exe -query whateverhost  --- didn't know you could through putty.
[04:04] <mebaran> it crashes when ever I try to add a contact or insert a vcard or change a preference
[04:04] <mebaran> do I report the bug to ximian or to the ubuntu bugzilla
[04:04] <heliolith> anyone: can anyone make sense of the error: "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. You will not be able to play or record audio.  Error: Host error. after installing Audacity?
[04:04] <thundrcleeze> brb
[04:05] <CLucas916> can anyone think of a reason why xmms isnt in apt-cache but all the xmms plugins are?
[04:05] <hams> is it possible to run the x86 LiveCD from a amd64 machine?
[04:05] <mebaran> hams: I did
[04:05] <mebaran> the amd64 install is sweet
[04:05] <mebaran> no chroot
[04:05] <mebaran> just hacked openoffice
[04:05] <jdub> hams: but of course :)
[04:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> can anyone please help me with 4 lines of shell script?
[04:06] <jdub> hams: plus, you could test our new amd64 livecds for the devel branch
[04:06] <caleb_> _|Imanewbie|_: try #bash
[04:06] <Scognito> bennyp, ok
[04:06] <bennyp> i hope you find what you were looking for?
[04:06] <hams> jdub, willing to try it now if you got a place to download it
[04:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> caleb_: thanks!
[04:06] <bennyp> let me know if it works
[04:06] <jdub> hams: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:07] <swim> jdub, cool thank you... btw to keep the same nvidia driver packages I have now, Ill need to hold nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common kernel-image and what else?
[04:07] <hams> jdub: under what dir
[04:08] <bennyp> Scognito, you did modprobe snd-seq-oss?
[04:08] <jdub> hams: hoary
[04:09] <jdub> hams: just click daily-live and follow
[04:09] <kbrooks> CLucas916, i know why.
[04:09] <CLucas916> kbrooks, why
[04:09] <Scognito> it is modprobed
[04:10] <hams> jdub, current?
[04:10] <swim> jdub? do you know?
[04:10] <jdub> hams: yes
[04:10] <kbrooks> CLucas916, ubuntu does not ship with m[\ players
[04:11] <kbrooks> mp3
[04:11] <jdub> swim: kernel and nvidia stuff, yes
[04:11] <kbrooks> but
[04:11] <hams> ok i'll be back in a couple hours with the results.
[04:11] <swim> jdub and restricted modules or something?
[04:11] <CLucas916> kbrooks, i know but i added mirrors and did apt-get update and it didnt come up
[04:11] <bennyp> Scognito: this page has usefull info http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=emu10k1
[04:11] <jdub> swim: try and see, just watch your upgrades
[04:11] <kbrooks> usually enabling the universe repository will help
[04:12] <swim> jdub, do you know what the name of that package Im thinking about is? restricted miodules or something?
[04:12] <Scognito> bennyp, i'm downloading the sound fonts...it's 10mb and i'm waiting for proceed...
[04:12] <kbrooks> kbrooks, did you enable the universe repoistory?
[04:12] <Scognito> thnx in advance
[04:12] <jdub> swim: apt-cache search restricted modules, you'll be able to find it yourself :)
[04:12] <bennyp> ok. while you wait, read the page on the alsa site, it is very informative
[04:12] <otter> hi
[04:12] <bennyp> no problem, i love helping
[04:13] <otter> i'm connecting here with ubuntu
[04:13] <graymalkin> w00t
[04:13] <bennyp> especially the section for debian (and thus ubuntu) users
[04:13] <otter> livecd ran without a hitch
[04:13] <thundrcleeze> Why is my refresh rate locked at 60hz when I can get 85 in windows for the same resolution?
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: what is "hal" short for?  i can't find pertinent info on google.  i'm trying to understand how it works, so i can see whether there's a way to make it work apart from gvm, more like autofs.
[04:13] <otter> thanks for ubuntu
[04:14] <otter> is there documentation on running windows apps, like with wine, or?
[04:14] <kbrooks> otter, no one here sells ubuntu cds
[04:14] <otter> i'm not asking for cds
[04:14] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: hardware abstraction layer, but that's a misnomer.
[04:14] <otter> i have it running
[04:14] <thenuke> otter: you're welcome, that's 9,99$ anything else for you?
[04:14] <kbrooks> and by no one i mean absolutely no one
[04:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks jdub
[04:14] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it is optimally used by g-v-m
[04:15] <kbrooks> on the dot
[04:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> but gvm seems like a weird hack.
[04:15] <jdub> it is not
[04:15] <jdub> again, please start asking questions before making claims
[04:15] <otter> i'd like to not go back to windows, so i'm looking for ways to run apps
[04:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it seems to be intimately tied to gui.
[04:15] <jdub> g-v-m provides user-defined policy
[04:15] <jdub> it is not
[04:15] <magnon> otter: maybe you should try looking for replacements? what kind of apps?
[04:16] <jdub> the daemon is not at all 'tied to gui'
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> it seems to have problems when more than one x server is using it.
[04:16] <magnon> BROKEN_LADDER: jeff says, ask questions before making claims, that's just plain wrong
[04:16] <jdub> it is configured by a gui
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> magnon: i didn't make a claim.
[04:16] <Scognito> bennyp, i hope it is a sound font problem
[04:16] <otter> there is one specialty app for a photo lens
[04:16] <Scognito> but the download is slow...
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> the g in gvm is "gnome" no?
[04:16] <magnon> an app for a photo _lens_?
[04:16] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, there are concurrency issues, it's currently designed for use on single-user machines
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> so gvm works fine even if i'm not running x?
[04:16] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes
[04:16] <otter> remotereality.com
[04:16] <bennyp> it wouldnt be soundfonts, you want the hardware synth (sblive wavetable) to render the sound
[04:16] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes
[04:16] <CLucas916> can anyone think of a reason why xmms isnt in apt-cache but all the xmms plugins are?
[04:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[04:16] <otter> it's a panoramic lens
[04:17] <magnon> otter: Ah.
[04:17] <kbrooks> CLucas916, damn it!
[04:17] <otter> can ubuntu run wine?
[04:17] <kbrooks> at least rtfm
[04:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i guess the concurrency issue isn't really it's fault though, since having to start extra x servers to have more than one user switch between x sessions is a bit of a terrible hack.
[04:17] <magnon> otter: yeah, it can
[04:17] <bennyp> copy the sound parts from /etc/modules.conf into /etc/modutils/alsa and run update-modules
[04:17] <CLucas916> kbrooks, dude. thats not it
[04:17] <otter> is wine the best option?
[04:17] <kbrooks> read the ubuntu guide, CLucas916
[04:18] <FLeiXiuS> otter, there is cedega, and wine-x
[04:18] <thundrcleeze> but they both cost money, right?
[04:18] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: ... that's not the reason why there are concurrency problems, and no, multiple X servers for separate sessions is also not a terrible hack
[04:18] <FLeiXiuS> otter, and also crossover
[04:18] <magnon> otter: send the company an email and ask them for a linux version ;)
[04:18] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: again, ask questions before making claims
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's quite a terrible hack.
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a hack, pure and simple.
[04:18] <CLucas916> omg. u think its because its not on the ubuntu cd that its not on another ubuntu mirror?
[04:18] <jdub> it may not be what you are used to, but it is not a hack
[04:18] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, STOOP!
[04:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a total hack.  it's unnecessary and poor design.
[04:18] <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, what is?
[04:18] <kbrooks> STOP
[04:19] <magnon> BROKEN_LADDER: why are you insulting?
[04:19] <otter> thanks
[04:19] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, no. it is not
[04:19] <kbrooks> magnon, he is not
[04:19] <thundrcleeze> Anyone know why my refresh rate is locked at 60hz when I can get 85 in windows for the same resolution?
[04:19] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you're not backing up your claims particularly well, and given past comments from you, i'm assuming you're misinformed again.
[04:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i'm logging into gdm, gnome should just present my gnome session to me on that same x server, and display the gdm again if i go to screen saver, or want to switch users.
[04:19] <magnon> he is, it's free software that someone voluntarily did they're best to create
[04:20] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: that's true, but that has nothing to do with the mechanics of the X servers involved
[04:20] <magnon> and I think it's pretty arrogant to bash it.
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it should work, terrible as this sounds, like the winxp login screen.
[04:20] <rellik> anyone know how to set up a 2nd monitor?  under 'nvidia-settings' it only lists the CRT, but not the LCD
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not bashing it, it's just not mature yet.
[04:20] <kbrooks> magnon, i decree that he is not
[04:20] <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, whats wrong with opening another session?
[04:20] <jdub> mature? dude.
[04:20] <jdub> far out
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a hack.
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it makes no sense.
[04:20] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you simply don't understand the architecture.
[04:20] <sladen> BROKEN_LADDER: any chance you could  /nick broken_ladder   my eyes are hurting
[04:20] <otter> back later
[04:20] <jdub> it works very similarly to the windows xp login screen
[04:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i understand it well enough.
[04:20] <Ex-Cyber> X is the most mature window system still in use today :P
[04:20] <magnon> kbrooks: ok, repeatedly failing to understand it
[04:20] <jdub> only it doesn't currently have all the gui chrome
[04:20] <FLeiXiuS> jdub, stole what I was about to inform him of
[04:20] <jdub> and it is more secure
[04:21] <jdub> and X is vastly more mature than windows
[04:21] <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, obviously not, your logic behind it is very well un clear and incertain..
[04:21] <kbrooks> magnon, yes, he is.....
[04:21] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: again, you need to ask questions to find out what you're talking about before making claims.
[04:21] <Scognito> bennyp, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS
[04:21] <Scognito> it was a sound fonts problem
[04:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> you are opening up a new xserver for a new user to log in and use gnome.  that's reprehensibly bad design.
[04:21] <jdub> no it's not
[04:21] <magnon> wh?
[04:21] <Scognito> bennyp, thank you a lot
[04:22] <sladen> thundrcleeze: probably because your monitor doesn't return any information when asked what refresh-rates it supports.  Ubuntu has to just guess the lowest possible in that case
[04:22] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, no it is not.
[04:22] <magnon> that's pretty much intentional
[04:22] <jdub> it's secure, it's the optimal model for X
[04:22] <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, do you know how many security flaws there is with using the same session?
[04:22] <thundrcleeze> sladen, is there any way to change that?
[04:22] <kbrooks> BROKEN_LADDER, /nick your name.
[04:22] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: would you like to ask questions about it so i can explain why?
[04:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> if there are flaws, they should be fixed.
[04:22] <kbrooks> FLeiXiuS, nnone?
[04:22] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: or would you like to continue making claims without being informed
[04:22] <jdub> ?
[04:23] <jdub> i can give you a great demonstration of the X architecture in action
[04:23] <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, Hacking will always be there, its more secure and less vulnerable this way, dont complain to the Ubuntu Community, go straight to X and GNU!
[04:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> one of the engineers working on beos once wrote a great detailed analysis on why x is so slow..
[04:23] <FLeiXiuS> BROKEN_LADDER, we're not here to wipe your eyes of tears, that'll be your own doing.  If you want to cry about something go elsewhere.
[04:23] <jdub> if you're willing to learn.
[04:23] <zenrox> ya really
[04:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> lemee google it.  it outlines these flaws.
[04:23] <heliolith> I think I found the conflict with audacity, this thread shows a workaround for killing esd, but what functionality will I lose if esd is off?  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6551.html
[04:23] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: which is unrelated to the issue you've raised.
[04:23] <FLeiXiuS> kbrooks, nnone?
[04:23] <bennyp> no problem scognito
[04:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> an engineer with skills probably far exceeding the combined knowledge of everyone in here.
[04:23] <bennyp> it works now?
[04:23] <sladen> heliolith: try   esddsp
[04:23] <magnon> heliolith: generally audio through GNOME will not play.
[04:24] <Scognito> bennyp, yes
[04:24] <magnon> but you can start it again whenever though
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: it's totally related.
[04:24] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: and those unrelated issues are rapidly being fixed.
[04:24] <bennyp> sweeeeet
[04:24] <magnon> right, I forgot esddsp
[04:24] <Scognito> thank you a lot
[04:24] <kbrooks> none
[04:24] <heliolith> sladen: what's esddsp do?
[04:24] <Scognito> :)
[04:24] <sladen> heliolith: in  esound-client
[04:24] <kbrooks> i made a typo
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> the issues are related.  he talks about this multiple x server issue.
[04:24] <magnon> kbrooks: now, that's more like an insult.
[04:24] <Scognito> i downloaded a super mario song and finally i can listen to it
[04:24] <Scognito> :)
[04:24] <sladen> heliolith: pipes accesses to  /dev/dsp  to esd instead
[04:24] <bennyp> hahah wicked!
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's no reason a single x server is "insecure".  you have absolutely no basis or backup for that absurd statement.
[04:24] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: ok, do me a favour and listen for a bit, and run through this demonstration.
[04:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> favor?
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can do you a favor.
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm listening
[04:25] <jdub> install xnest
[04:25] <bennyp> just gotta be like Dr. Spock
[04:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> all ears
[04:25] <bennyp> then all the answers come easy, when you take it piece by piece
[04:25] <jdub> tell me when it's installed.
[04:25] <Scognito> eh eh
[04:26] <sladen> BROKEN_LADDER: (whilst it's installed would be a good time to lowercase your /nick ... as more than one person has pointed out, it is quite over-powering in here)
[04:26] <tottinge> Uhoh.  My keyboard suddenly only works in console
[04:26] <FLeiXiuS> sladen, it clearly points out his maturity level in the Linux Architechture
[04:26] <tottinge> I was running sarge, then pointed apt/sources.list to ubuntu and dist-upgraded.
[04:26] <tottinge> Seems to be the only problem I have now.....
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> lowercase letters are ugly.
[04:27] <bennyp> ok good night all, happy hacking!
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> and since it's just my nick, and not lines of text, it shouldn't be that distracting.
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> why am i installing xnest?
[04:27] <CLucas916> does anyone know a mirror where xmms is available?
[04:27] <tottinge> Any suggestions?
[04:27] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: because we're doing a demonstration for you
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> broken_ladder, you could change the font on your computer to an all-caps font...
[04:27] <heliolith> sladen: so esddsp is not a program?  I looked for it in synaptic, all I find via google is some vague commands
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's a hack.
[04:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> people shouldn't use lowercase letters.
[04:27] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it is all entirely safe, i'm not asking you to do anything dangerous.
[04:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hate having to turn caps lock off in irc.
[04:28] <caleb_> CLucas916: do you not like the newer music players?
[04:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[04:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> one sec
[04:28] <sladen> heliolith: it's in  esound-clients   as, I mentioned above
[04:28] <jdub> thundrcleeze: let's ignore the side issues, please.
[04:28] <thundrcleeze> jdub, sure.
[04:28] <CLucas916> caleb_, i prefer xmms
[04:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> it would make it easier to find my way around the terminal if you could tell me why my arrow keys don't work whenever i start gnome.
[04:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> at least until i change something, anything, in keyboard settings.
[04:28] <jdub> don't know, sounds like a good bug for you to file.
[04:29] <caleb_> CLucas916: thats cool.  I'm really liking muine and, at times, rhythmbox
[04:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> my left key is being read as  XF86AudioPrev
[04:29] <CLucas916> ahh finially i got it
[04:30] <jdub> if anyone else wants to do the demo too, install xnest :-)
[04:30] <sladen> broken...: what type of keyboard do you have?
[04:30] <CLucas916> any hoary users in here?
[04:30] <jdub> CLucas916: always.
[04:30] <Ex-Cyber> I already know what it's for, but I'm curious as to what you're going to do :)
[04:30] <heliolith> sladen: so once I install via syna then restart gnome and it's good to go, or I need to configure it some?
[04:30] <CLucas916> jdub, hows the stability?
[04:30] <magnon> hoary is getting very good
[04:31] <sladen> heliolith:  type   esddsp command-that-doesn't-use-esd
[04:31] <magnon> it used to break a lot though
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> keyboard shortcuts are insanely buggy.
[04:31] <sladen> heliolith: no restarting GNOME
[04:31] <jdub> CLucas916: we're post upstream-version-freeze now, so the upgrade load is better now
[04:31] <CLucas916> oh cool
[04:31] <Transitdk> Question: Has anyone gotten APM to work with HP Pavilion Laptops? (view battery level to be specific) OR gotten the FN keys to work?
[04:31] <heliolith> sladen so in my autolaunch icon thing I can type esddsp audacity instead of just typing audacity?
[04:31] <sladen> broken: XF86AudioPrev is normally a special key on an extended keyboard.  What type of keyboard do you have?
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> xnest has unmet dependencies, which it didn't install.
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> for some reason.
[04:32] <FLeiXiuS>  BROKEN_LADDER, dependencies, welcome to linux..
[04:32] <jdub> erm, xnest has very simple dependencies
[04:32] <jdub> are you running hoary, warty, warty with backports?
[04:33] <thundrcleeze> sladen, I don't know if you got to this yet or not, but is there a way to change my refresh rate with a command or tool?
[04:33] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: if you have anything other than 'insanely buggy' (specifics are good) to contribute, maybe we stand a chance of actually fixing it.
[04:33] <daniels> thundrcleeze: xrandr -q to see what you support, then xrandr -r xx to change to that refresh rate.
[04:33] <sladen> thundrcleeze: Computer->Settings->Display
[04:34] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: (also, multiple X servers for different sessions is the right way to do things.  the only-ever-one-X-server perception is crack, and should die ASAP.  i say this as an X developer.)
[04:35] <heliolith> sladen: do you use audacity?  your esddsp workaround worked great for getting rid of that error, but now normal mp3 files sound like pure staticky noise; any idea what my problem is now?
[04:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'd love to describe my x problems in detail.
[04:36] <sladen> heliolith: no idea.  btw, which sound chipset do you have---some can only run at a particular bitrate+frequency
[04:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe you could provide some feedback.
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using the default dvorak keymap with some third level stuff for typing esperanto characters.
[04:37] <heliolith> sladen: where do i find my sound/chipset?
[04:37] <sladen> irssi need a /rename LUSER luser  option
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> everything seems to work fine, until i assign keyboard shortcuts, like mod4-right_arrow to do XF86AudioNext.
[04:37] <Ex-Cyber> sladen: :)
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> then things go awry.
[04:37] <heliolith> sladen: i'm happy to learn, but I'm a complete newbie to this stuff
[04:37] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: now this is more productive, thank you
[04:37] <CLucas916> whats a good cd/dvd burning program for gnome?
[04:38] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: i'd suggest filing this as a bug
[04:38] <sladen> broken: interesting.  I'm still puzzled how the weird keys are generated
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> every time i start up, my arrow keys don't work, and instead they act like next and previous, causing rhythmbox, for instance, to do just that.
[04:38] <CLucas916> i.e. not k3b
[04:38] <jdub> CLucas916: none in ubuntu atm
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are third level keys.
[04:38] <jdub> CLucas916: though graveman has just been uploaded into hoary universe
[04:38] <CLucas916> wow
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can show a sample line from my xkb file.
[04:38] <CLucas916> ok
[04:38] <jdub> CLucas916: there are a number of projects working on it, but none are ready for release (or are in hoary)
[04:38] <jdub> CLucas916: it's a nice black hole atm ;)
[04:38] <jdub> CLucas916: but nautilus-cd-burner is great if you just want to do data cds
[04:38] <CLucas916> lol
[04:39] <sladen> BROKEN_LADDER: can you file a buy, and upload your custom xkb, and some sample xev output before/after
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER>     key <AD07> { [          g,  G, gcircumflex, Gcircumflex ]    };
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> this allows me to type
[04:39] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: please file this as a bug, that's where it will be most useful
[04:39] <daniels> sladen: define the 'default dvorak keymap'.
[04:39] <heliolith> what's the command to find out my sound chipset anyone?
[04:39] <daniels> s/sladen/BROKEN_LADDER/
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> where and how?
[04:39] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: see the topic.
[04:39] <FLeiXiuS> daniels, how's it going.
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's the xkb dvorak file.
[04:40] <CLucas916> whats ubuntu backports?
[04:40] <daniels> FLeiXiuS: good thanks
[04:40] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: that's useless to me.  how is it configured in xorg.conf?
[04:40] <jdub> CLucas916: it's a misguided project to build hoary stuff against warty :|
[04:40] <CLucas916> ah
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it has nothing to do with xorg.conf
[04:40] <FLeiXiuS> daniels, Yeah it's been a while since I communicated with yah on the forums.
[04:40] <sladen> broken: "with some third level stuff" ?
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just the keymap i'm using.
[04:40] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: there are many ways to configure dvorak, some of them quite badly misguided (including 'dvorak')
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's done using xkb
[04:40] <daniels> FLeiXiuS: hooray for being busy
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> acually, no i changed my xfree86 config file to using dvorak.  it just says dvorak instead of us or whatever.  so it uses the file /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/dvorak
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see anything about filing bugs in the topic.
[04:42] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: first mistake.
[04:42] <thundrcleeze> sladen, I don't see a computer->settings->display and daniels, In windows I can get 1280x1024 @85hz and here it only reports I can do it at 60, is there a way to force it or is it the driver that only supports 60?
[04:42] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: (there's an FAQ in the topic)
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> this problem existed prior to that.
[04:42] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: try 'us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)'
[04:42] <daniels> dvorak modifies existing symbol tables; it's not a complete replacement
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> try that where?
[04:42] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> in the dvorak file?
[04:42] <daniels> thundrcleeze: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root, and remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude, what are you talking about?
[04:43] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: no dude, in your config
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using the default dvorak file that COMES with the distro.
[04:43] <FX|Laptop> anyone here running hoary with ndiswrapper?
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> my x config has nothing to do with this.
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> this happened before i changed anything in my x config.
[04:43] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: yes it does.  if you want to argue with me on xkb stuff, that's great, but don't expect me to attempt to keep helping you.
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> this happened before i changed anything in xfree86 config.
[04:44] <sladen> my apologies broken.  I've used /ignore for the first time ever on IRC, and that's getting on for 10years
[04:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you not listening to me?
[04:45] <CLucas916> is ncurses-devel in hoary?
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> this happened _before_ i changed xfree86
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> before
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> not after
[04:45] <sladen> CLucas916: it's probably  ncurses5-dev  or something
[04:45] <sladen> CLucas916: apt-cache search ncurses
[04:46] <magnon> sladen: I'm getting there myself, my statistics are the same
[04:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: you want me to put that line in PLACE of the dvorak line?
[04:46] <CLucas916> i did and theres nothing about ncurses-dev
[04:46] <thundrcleeze> BROKEN_LADDER, I couldn't hurt to listen to them anyway and attempt what they suggest, could it?
[04:46] <FX|Laptop> How can I get the networking settings to stay on reboot?
[04:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm willing to give it a try if he'll tell me exactly where to put that line.  he already asked me about x.org config, which is weird since ubuntu currently uses xfree86
[04:47] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: the developers live in hoary, remember.
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i don't.
[04:47] <sladen> CLucas916: libncursesw5-dev
[04:47] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: then you need to make that clear, without being a jerk about it.
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.  sorry.  i'm not a developer.
[04:48] <sladen> FX|Laptop: pop them in  /etc/network/interfaces
[04:48] <sladen> FX|Laptop: what settings are you trying to get to survive?
[04:48] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: we know that. we don't know which version you're using.
[04:48] <hikaru79> How can I (from command line, no synaptic), uninstall a program so that it's configuration files go with it? The equivalent of "Complete Removal" from Synaptic?
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> now in my xfree86 config, daniels, where would i put this line about the pc104(basic) or whatever.
[04:48] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: unless you tell us (which you now have).
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought you just told me hoary wasn't out yet.
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> my mistake.
[04:49] <jdub> hoary is the devel branch.
[04:49] <hikaru79> BROKEN_LADDER, it's not out yet officially, but you can still participate in the development version
[04:49] <sladen> hikaru79: apt-get --purge remove package
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i see.
[04:49] <hikaru79> Just don't count on it working
[04:49] <hikaru79> sladen, thanks :)
[04:49] <sladen> hikaru79: you have to have the packaged installed to do that though
[04:50] <Grev> evening all
[04:50] <hikaru79> sladen, yup
[04:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> here's what's in my xconfig daniels:     Option "XkbLayout"  "dvorak" / Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch,altwin:left_meta_win"
[04:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> so replace dvorak with what you were just saying?
[04:58] <daniels> with us(pc104)+dvorak(basic), yes
[04:58] <hikaru79> Here's my problem: I installed a program that creates it's own directory and stuff in ~/. It made the directory the first time I installed it. But then, I removed the package and deleted the created directory. I deleted the package WITH --purge. However, if I try re-installing the package subsequent times, it refuses to re-make the directory it needs to make. I assume it thinks it's there from last time. How can I get it to start a new one?
[04:59] <Pluk> yay just got my laptop to support Fn buttons and standby
[04:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> but the second line is fine?
[04:59] <Pluk> too bad the fglrx driver cant handle sleepmodes very well :(
[05:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> you're an X developer daniels?
[05:01] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: yes.
[05:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i read on some forum that i could just replace pc with dvorak, which works on the surface.  that's why i was so skeptical about this.
[05:01] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: probably, although it may cause problems, and yes
[05:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[05:01] <swim> hay folks
[05:01] <maximaus> 'ello
[05:01] <jdub> "some forum" vs. "distro and upstream developer" -> hmm!
[05:02] <cef> actually, I'm not sure I'd give daniels the title of X developer. X Meddler perhaps. *grin*
[05:02] <swim> so for those who cannot use the new nvidia drivers/ubuntu packaged (6229), is there anyway to use the new kernels and use the previous nvidia packaged drivers? (6111)
[05:02] <daniels> swim: not really, sorry
[05:03] <daniels> swim: it would just be a horror to build two versions
[05:03] <daniels> even though 6629 does have some quite massive problems
[05:03] <swim> daniels, so Im just stuck with the older kernel? that sucks
[05:03] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: depending on what you're attempting to bind, moving ralt to level3 shift and changing the altwin behaviour might break things badly
[05:03] <daniels> swim: tell me about it :\
[05:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> it now says     Option "XkbLayout" "us(pc104)+dvorak(basic)"
[05:04] <swim> daniels, so my only hope is that newer nvidia kernels thus ubuntu packages will fix the problem ?
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's the way everything i've read says to do this.  it's even in the esperanto keymap file i found.
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's to make right alt be altr
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> altgr
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> so  can type  by pressing right-alt-c
[05:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> i also set mod4 to the win keys.
[05:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> but those are also options in keyboard prefs in gnome..
[05:06] <CLucas916> is bootsplash in hoary?
[05:06] <daniels> swim: yeah.  apparently breaking older cards is a 'known issue' upstream, and they'll fix it in their next driver revision.
[05:06] <swim> daniels, Im not even using an older card! nvidia is driver crazy or something
[05:07] <daniels> swim: the joys of binary drivers, eh?
[05:07] <swim> my card is a 2004 card
[05:07] <jdub> hmm
[05:07] <jdub> Joe Zicarelli in the house?
[05:08] <daniels> swim: i think the biggest breakages were on tnt2, geforce2, and geforce4 mx440
[05:08] <daniels> or mx400 or something
[05:08] <swim> ive got a geforce4 440
[05:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: what am i _supposed_ to use for level3 besides right alt?
[05:09] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: not sure
[05:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack
[05:09] <freedomla> hi can someone help me?
[05:10] <CLucas916> freedomla, whats the prob
[05:10] <freedomla> i couldn't boot from the ubuntu cd in my powerpc
[05:11] <CLucas916> i dont think ubuntu is for ppc
[05:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> so i should log out and back in now?
[05:12] <freedomla> well i got this powerpc version of ubuntu, not the dell x86 one
[05:12] <daniels> CLucas916: it works on powerpc, yes
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: is it not relevant to you that this problem happened even when i had it set to the default, us?
[05:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i mean, are other people able to use keyboard shortcuts?
[05:12] <CLucas916> daniels, oh i didnt know that
[05:13] <ernesto> como estan todoss
[05:13] <swim> how can I set a kernel do be default?
[05:14] <swim> in menu.lst?
[05:14] <ernesto> this chat is just in english?
[05:14] <freedomla> do you think it might be something with my keyboard? Because when i turned on the mac, the cap/scroll/number lock lights flashed, and then went off, and after that, I couldn't get those lights back on again by pressing the lock keys
[05:14] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: it seems to work for most everyone else
[05:14] <freedomla> is it just like that for macs?
[05:15] <mike_douglas> I need to connect to this smb share but when I open it in nautilus it says I don't have permission. How would I make Nautilus ask for username and password?
[05:15] <ernesto> eh people
[05:16] <ernesto> Im a ubuntu linux new user
[05:16] <ernesto> I need some help
[05:16] <ernesto> somebody can help me?
[05:16] <sladen> ernesto: if you ask a question...
[05:17] <ernesto> tell me
[05:17] <sladen> ernesto: it's a little hard to answer if you don't ask a question first
[05:17] <freedomla> can someone tell me whether my problem is in the keyboard or what?
[05:17] <ernesto> ok
[05:17] <ernesto> shot me
[05:18] <sladen> freedomla: usb/ps, PPC/i386/amd64,  X or console?
[05:18] <swim> how can I set a kernel do be default?  anyone??
[05:19] <ernesto> PCC/i386/amd64
[05:19] <ernesto> I listen something about amd64 procesors
[05:19] <ernesto> Im Dominican
[05:19] <sladen> ernesto: is your computer White with some fruit on the front, or gray and ugly?
[05:19] <ernesto> sladen
[05:20] <ernesto> I know about hardware computers
[05:20] <freedomla> it's ppc 6500/275
[05:20] <sladen> swim: edit /etc/grub/menu.lst && sudo update-grub
[05:20] <ernesto> Im a tecnician
[05:20] <mdz> swim: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:20] <ernesto> Im using a clone pc with 500mhz procesor
[05:21] <swim> sladen, yes but edit to show what? how do I tell it to use a specific kernel
[05:21] <swim> mdz same
[05:21] <Arkainium> i don't understand the point of starting laptop mode.  the hard disk never spins down anyway because the disk is accessed every 5 seconds.
[05:21] <ernesto> I have a ubuntu linux version
[05:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe somehow my keyboard is broken.
[05:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i mean it's like 6 years old.
[05:21] <ernesto> Im not a advance linux user
[05:21] <sladen> swim: the line that says 'default 0'  to be  'default N'
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> but when i set a shortcut say where F2 is "take a screenshot" and "alt-F2" is "go to workspace 2", it records the alt-F2 fine. But if i press alt-F2 from the desktop, it treats it like a pressed F2, and tries to take a screenshot.
[05:22] <ernesto> but I know much things about hardware
[05:22] <freedomla> sladen: so what's causing the problem?
[05:22] <swim> sladen where N is the number of the entry in the list of kernels?
[05:22] <ernesto> Im not using mac
[05:22] <ernesto> os
[05:23] <aperson> hello all
[05:23] <sladen> Arkainium: how much RAM do you have, is it swapping?
[05:24] <aperson> is there anybody who can help me get my soundcard to work?
[05:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> brb
[05:24] <CLucas916> aperson, sure
[05:24] <ernesto> aperson you need to download the packages
[05:24] <CLucas916> aperson, what card
[05:25] <aperson> it is...
[05:25] <swim> ok anyone wanna help me get my audio running?
[05:25] <Arkainium> sladen, i have 768mb.  still though, i disable my swap, i mounted /tmp as tmpfs.  i even tried stopping syslogd, cron, etc
[05:25] <sladen> aperson: hopefully you shouldn't need to download packages...
[05:25] <aperson> a seal 4 channel sound card
[05:25] <aperson> I better not
[05:25] <aperson> since my linux box has no internet connection
[05:25] <aperson> and I have dailup
[05:26] <Arkainium> sladen, the kernel is saving the dirty buffers... i tried setting laptop_mode in /proc/sys/vm but it doesn't stick.
[05:26] <sladen> Arkainium: there's a /proc/sys option you can write to, to display which disk-access caused the spin-up.  I can't remember the option, Google will
[05:26] <swim> is there an audio setup wiki for ubuntu anyone??
[05:26] <aperson> I have done the register-0.8 bit to no avail
[05:26] <TechPepsi> is there any screenshots on this distro
[05:27] <Arkainium> sladen, it's /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, how do you watch it though? i disabled syslog and klogd
[05:27] <sladen> TechPepsi: distrowatch I think has tonnes.  Other people have done reviews
[05:27] <TechPepsi> whats the link
[05:28] <sladen> Arkainium: watch -n 1 'dmesg | tail'  or something
[05:28] <aperson> any ideas on what I need to do?
[05:28] <TechPepsi> I gto like 5 x86 and 5 for mac
[05:29] <TechPepsi> what come with ubuntu when ya install?
[05:29] <swim> is there an audio setup wiki for ubuntu anyone please? My audio is not working
[05:29] <aperson> heh
[05:30] <aperson> seems to be a bigger problem than I thought then
[05:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay i fixed my problem in a roundabout way.
[05:32] <ernesto> I need to read some manuals of linux
[05:32] <aperson> well, I'll be back probally tommorrow for help
[05:33] <swim> argh I need sound
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> where does gvm mount things?
[05:33] <tottinge> Can I get help with an XFree86 problem?
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> ask your question tottinge
[05:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's the only way anyone can help.
[05:34] <thenuke> swim: google your sound card and debian for starters
[05:34] <tottinge> My keyboard is standard 104, /dev/psaux (ms natural)  -- works fine in console, but not gdm or xdm.
[05:34] <thenuke> swim: and ofcourse search the forums too
[05:35] <tottinge> Note: I was running straight debian, and it was fine in gdm/xdm.  I set /etc/apt/sources.list to ubuntu, dist-upgrade, and now this.
[05:35] <TechPepsi> does the ubuntu distro work with airport card
[05:35] <tottinge> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- no joy.
[05:35] <tottinge> what might I try next?
[05:35] <nevyn> daniels: so I've installed ubuntu.
[05:35] <nevyn> daniels: but I think this machine is dodgy
[05:36] <daniels> tottinge: er, keyboards aren't on /dev/psaux, they're mice
[05:36] <daniels> nevyn: oh?
[05:36] <thenuke> TechPepsi: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10860&highlight=airport "airport ( not the extreme ) is autodetected in ubuntu and works like a charm... "
[05:36] <tottinge> Sorry -- mind went south (too many trips through dpkg-reconfigure) I mean ti's on PS/2 port.
[05:37] <nevyn> daniels: Cyrix 686 PR200
[05:37] <daniels> tottinge: i have no idea -- i've never heard of a keyboard that just stopped working before
[05:37] <TechPepsi> only for the ap card and not extreme
[05:37] <daniels> nevyn: isn't that implied?
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> tottinge: i also have an ms natural and tons of problem.
[05:37] <tottinge> It still works in console, not in gdm, xdm.
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> s
[05:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i give up on getting shortcuts working.
[05:38] <mindphasr> tottinge: What does your keyboard input device options say in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll be setting keyboard shortcuts and all of a sudden it starts reading arrow keys as 0x66 instead of left or whatever.
[05:38] <swim> thenuke, I just need to know the common proccess to get sound up...
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> why xf86config-4?
[05:38] <nevyn> is there an easy way to get from a custom install to a minimal gui?
[05:38] <daniels> nevyn: sudo aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'
[05:38] <tottinge> Section "InputDevice"
[05:38] <tottinge>         Identifier      "Default Keyboard"
[05:38] <tottinge>         Driver          "keyboard"
[05:38] <tottinge>         Option          "CoreKeyboard"
[05:38] <tottinge>         Option          "XkbRules"      "xfree86"
[05:38] <tottinge>         Option          "XkbModel"      "pc104"
[05:38] <tottinge>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
[05:38] <tottinge> EndSection
[05:38] <daniels> or maybe just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <tritium> I think I'll try the Dell laptop suspend fix.  What does the kernel option "nolapic" do?
[05:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> google that term?
[05:39] <thenuke> swim: what soundcard do you have then
[05:39] <swim> thenuke, it uses driver snd_intel_8something um hold on
[05:39] <swim> oh 8x0
[05:39] <tottinge> mindphasr: exactly the same as my other (working) libranet debian box.
[05:40] <Guardiann> swim you using warty or hoary
[05:40] <swim> Guardiann, hoary
[05:40] <mindphasr> tottinge: Any errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[05:40] <Guardiann> did it work in warty
[05:40] <swim> Guardiann, I havent used warty in a very long time, I dont remember
[05:41] <Guardiann> you have a sis system?
[05:41] <swim> I think so... laptop
[05:41] <monra> just got one of those free pressed CDs from my school. i've always wanted to be a linux user but found many of the programs (flash, 3ds max) can't be used in linux (except with crossover office, but it still doesn't support the latest versions).  furthermore, some hardware on the pc doesn't work with linux because there aren't any drivers available (wifi card, video card).  anybody want to tell me otherwise? :) i'll be glad to hear from you
[05:41] <Guardiann> bekieve it or not Try to disable your on board modem in your setup
[05:42] <tottinge> mindphasr: none.
[05:42] <swim> Guardiann, me?
[05:42] <Guardiann> then reboot
[05:42] <Guardiann> yep swim you
[05:42] <swim> Guardiann, ermm I have no idea how to do that
[05:42] <nevyn> monra: clearly you don't want to be a linux user enough...
[05:43] <Guardiann> when you rebbot your machine should tell you what key you need to push to run the setup
[05:43] <Guardiann> mine was f2
[05:43] <mindphasr> tottinge: Does your caps lock lights go on and off in X?
[05:43] <Guardiann> if it doesnt say google for the info
[05:43] <mindphasr> monra: Then why do you want to be a linux user?
[05:43] <swim> Guardiann, are you talking about disabling in bios? I dont have that option in my bios
[05:43] <crimsun> swim: I am now. What's up?
[05:44] <tottinge> I also notice that X takes longer to come up than I expected.
[05:44] <tritium> anybody know why acpi_irq_isa=7 is needed to enable sound on some Dell laptops?
[05:44] <tottinge> mindphasr: No, no lights.
[05:44] <Guardiann> hmmm you should
[05:44] <ernesto> crimsun are you
[05:44] <ernesto> Dionys
[05:44] <Guardiann> i was having the sound problem on my vaio with hoary
[05:44] <crimsun> ernesto: come again?
[05:44] <mindphasr> monra: We arn't here to turn you into a linux user.  Go elsewhere if you want someone to convince you to use linux because frankly, i don't really care if you use linux.
[05:44] <swim> crimsun, whats up, uh I took care of it thanks :) was wondering how to deal with holding nvidia packages...
[05:44] <crimsun> tritium: broken irq routing with acpi for those bioses.
[05:44] <mindphasr> tottinge: Does X even start?
[05:44] <TechPepsi> will this distro ruin an ibook?
[05:44] <monra> mindphasr because i believe in opensource.. makes much more sense.
[05:45] <crimsun> swim: sudo aptitude hold <packages>
[05:45] <Guardiann> i found that its the kernal that is having trouble with on board devices i disabled my modem and away went the sound
[05:45] <swim> crimsun, now Im trying to get sound working... ive got a r3000z laptop, which uses snd-intel8x0 any ideas?
[05:45] <tottinge> mindphasr: I get the login screen and the mouse is live.
[05:45] <tritium> crimsun, I see.  So I need that, regardless of kernel version?
[05:45] <tritium> I wonder why I never needed it on Debian.
[05:45] <mindphasr> monra: What do you want us to tell you? You only want to use closed source applications and they dont run in linux.
[05:45] <crimsun> tritium: at least for current 2.6
[05:45] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[05:45] <Guardiann> swim what brand is an r3000x laptop
[05:45] <mindphasr> tottinge: That is very strange..I don't know what the deal is there
[05:46] <crimsun> swim: that's not nearly enough info to assist in debugging.
[05:46] <swim> Guardiann, hp/compaq
[05:46] <tritium> crimsun, I can't seem to find the wiki page where I originally saw that fix.
[05:46] <tottinge> mindphasr: gdm responds to mouse events -- I can use 'actions' menu.
[05:46] <swim> crimsun, I dont know how to setup audio in ubuntu... so I dont know how to give you more info...
[05:46] <crimsun> tritium: search for hardwaresupport for laptops
[05:46] <monra> oh ok, thanks anyway
[05:46] <Guardiann> ok well i would give it a try but whatever
[05:47] <tottinge> Oh, looky there... it's running an old kernel (2.4.22)
[05:47] <tottinge> Hmmm.....
[05:47] <crimsun> swim: /join #flood, cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:48] <tritium> crimsun, yeah, I think it's gone now
[05:49] <swim> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/231528
[05:49] <tottinge> What is the "normal" kernel version for warty?
[05:49] <crimsun> tottinge: <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:50] <ernesto> ey I need help
[05:50] <EvolutionR>  I have this a.deb package need to remove in order to install b.deb but what is the command?
[05:50] <crimsun> tritium: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops still exists.
[05:51] <mindphasr> EvolutionR: dpkg -r or apt-get remove
[05:51] <tritium> crimsun, yeah, thanks.  That's not the original page that described the fix.
[05:51] <tritium> It's okay, though.
[05:51] <tritium> I'll read bugzilla, bug #1254
[05:52] <crimsun> ernesto: please state the issues then
[05:52] <EvolutionR> mindphasr: thanks
[05:52] <crimsun> swim: and what does using gnome-volume-control give you?
[05:53] <swim> crimsun, hmm Playback only shows PCM
[05:54] <crimsun> swim: is it using the oss mixer? select Change Device
[05:54] <crimsun> swim: make sure it's using the ALSA mixer
[05:55] <swim> crimsun, it was using oss now I changed it to alsamixer how should I test it?
[05:55] <swim> op
[05:55] <swim> works :")
[05:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to use samba over an ssh tunnel?
[05:55] <ernesto> I have a problem with mozzila
[05:56] <swim> awesome crimsun thank you :)!
[05:56] <ernesto> with the pluggin shockwaveflash
[05:57] <EvolutionR> I have this error on startup screen on Ubuntu 1)modprobe:FATAL:Error inserting pciehp(/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted 2) same with the error but with "shpchp". What's this how can I remove this annoying error message?
[05:57] <ernesto> I have the same error in my pc
[05:57] <ernesto> what is tha
[05:57] <ernesto> that
[05:57] <EvolutionR> ernesto: I'm not alone :)
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> put pciehp
[05:57] <ernesto> yes
[05:57] <Bisclaveret> i just got my cd's.. they look good but something's fishy when i installed :(
[05:57] <crimsun> swim: wasn't that simple? :-)
[05:58] <swim> sure was !
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> in /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[05:58] <ernesto> I want to know what is that?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> ernesto: it's loading pci hot plug drivers
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> but your hardware does not support it
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors  see that page
[05:58] <zenrox> modules.blacklist??
[05:58] <ernesto> thanks
[05:59] <Bisclaveret> why did the installer (when run with linux noapic nolapic) stall forever when it was setting up/getting info on IDE devices?
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> sorry /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> not .d
[05:59] <zenrox> Bisclaveret, try just a normal boot
[05:59] <EvolutionR> HrdwrBoB: thanks for the info!
[05:59] <swim> crimsun, you wouldnt happen to know why audacity says this when I start it up: There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer  would you?
[05:59] <cswanson> evening all
[05:59] <Bisclaveret> zenrox: it did the same thing when i just pressed enter on the screen
[06:00] <zenrox> Bisclaveret,  then try just one of the commands
[06:00] <crimsun> swim: esd grabs /dev/dsp, and audacity needs access to it.
[06:01] <Bisclaveret> it stalled forever, then it completed the installation.. but now when i reboot, it takes forever for the thing to start (i stare at a blinking cursor for 15 seconds or so) then i see GRUB... then 20 seconds later Loader Version 1.5, then 30 seconds after that Loading GRUB or whatever... then the thing just sits there
[06:01] <crimsun> swim: so before you run audacity, make sure you `pkill esd'
[06:01] <Bisclaveret> my hd led indicator on the case is full on, but the access led on the hd itself isn't doing anything
[06:02] <EvolutionR> HrdwrBoB: But I have another error on ubuntu when on startup screen. Synchronising clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org *failed* I dont want to synchronise my clock!
[06:02] <ernesto> I have another problem
[06:02] <magnon> why would you _not_ want to sync the clock?
[06:02] <zenrox> ya
[06:02] <zenrox> i love it to sync
[06:02] <ernesto> I have a friend that wants to enter to this channel
[06:02] <Neo_654> Bisclaveret: Was that off a reboot?  And also does they system seem to be majorly slow once things are running accessing the drive?
[06:02] <ernesto> but I dont know the name of this channel
[06:02] <magnon> ernesto: #ubuntu
[06:03] <zenrox> #ubuntu
[06:03] <crimsun> ernesto: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
[06:03] <tottinge> mindphasr, crimsun --- the kernel upgrade did it.  I have keyboard now.
[06:03] <magnon> crimson wins the support price
[06:03] <tottinge> Thanks much.
[06:03] <magnon> *prize
[06:03] <crimsun> magnon: rather, the ubuntu community.
[06:03] <Bisclaveret> that was after a complete power cycle, and .. things don't start. i just sit there with loading GRUB on my screen
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> EvolutionR: I can help you disable, it, but why not
[06:04] <ernesto> thanks crimsun
[06:04] <Neo_654> Bisclaveret: Is this the first time this has done this?
[06:04] <randabis> I got us a new ubuntu recruit :p
[06:04] <magnon> crimsun: it's not like my support prize involves any honor or benefit at all anyway ;)
[06:04] <Bisclaveret> also, i'm quite the linux newb ;) i fooled around slightly with mandrake 9.2 but couldn't really get into it on account of my modem being majorly unsupported. now that i have a hardware modem i hope it should be better
[06:04] <randabis> he's dist-upgrading to hoary right now hehe
[06:04] <Bisclaveret> neo: this is the first install, yes
[06:04] <EvolutionR> HrdwrBoB: how pls! this annoys me, it takes some time to put into my desktop!
[06:05] <EvolutionR> too boot
[06:05] <Neo_654> First time seeing it what I mean is first time seeing this problem...  Reason I ask was I just had something like this this past weekend.
[06:05] <Necrosan> http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:05] <Necrosan> read it and stfu
[06:05] <zenrox> or rtfm
[06:05] <Bisclaveret> i'm thinking the installer is broken on my hardware or my harddrive is just trashed :p
[06:05] <thundrcleeze> No need to be rude, Necro.
[06:06] <Necrosan> When people demand help I demand satisfaction.
[06:06] <thundrcleeze> But thanks for the link.
[06:06] <Necrosan> :)
[06:06] <daniels> Necrosan: be polite.  it's embodied in the ubuntu code of conduct.
[06:06] <ernesto> Bisclaveret
[06:06] <daniels> Necrosan: which are the rules this channel operates by.
[06:06] <EvolutionR> HrdwrBoB: tell me how to disable this sychronising clock ntp.ubuntulinux.org my startup screen? need help!
[06:06] <magnon> EvolutionR: I ask again - why don't you want it to sync?
[06:06] <ernesto> I have the same problem with a hard disk
[06:06] <ernesto> here
[06:07] <Neo_654> Bisclaveret: the next time you reboot go into your bios and check to see how fast it discovers the HDD.  That was my issue and then I reformated it and and now can't format it back cause it is trash I was just seeing it at the begining of dieing a slow and painfull death.
[06:07] <ernesto> that happen when the fist boot sector is busted
[06:07] <Ex-Cyber> magnon: if I read it right, to speed up boot time
[06:07] <thundrcleeze> Does ubuntu default to not showing your non-linux hdds, or is there something screwed up with it?
[06:08] <sladen> EvolutionR: sudo update-rc.d -f remove ntp
[06:08] <thundrcleeze> Wait, it probably doesn't have ntfs reading as a default package, right?
[06:08] <Bisclaveret> it kinda sucks because i have a really old system and i can only have 1 HD in at a time (only 3 molex connectors)
[06:08] <Necrosan> Bisclaveret: get a new PSU?
[06:08] <Bisclaveret> otherwise i would try to use a windows bootdisk and do a reformat of the drive
[06:08] <Neo_654> Bisclaveret: thats what splitters are for.
[06:09] <Bisclaveret> necro: id' have to modify my case for that.. and it would be pretty cramped
[06:09] <ernesto> is a good option
[06:09] <Bisclaveret> MATX power supply in a minitower right now. it's an old eMachines etower 566^i2
[06:09] <zenrox> bis just get anthoer psu and plug it in and turn it on set it on top
[06:09] <Skullripp> ernesto
[06:10] <ernesto> tell me
[06:10] <ernesto> dont dare to speak spanish here
[06:10] <Bisclaveret> 120w psu and i've no idea how it's powering a cdrwiter, HD, 2 usb devices, and my geforce 2
[06:10] <swim> crud gconf crashes at start...
[06:10] <Neo_654> Bisclaveret: You can get a splitter for Radio Shack or anyplace like that to solve the molex problem.  But if your Bois has troulbe seeing your HDD you may not want to reformat cause it won't be able to format the HDD.
[06:11] <Skullripp> and who wanted to speak spanish
[06:11] <swim> hmm starts as root from cli
[06:11] <Bisclaveret> my bios can detect it fine.. it's.. .a Quantum Fireball Lct 15. 7.5gig
[06:11] <ernesto> just is a warning
[06:11] <dnielsen> yay,, array-3 cd..
[06:11] <Bisclaveret> yeah i know, Quantums suck]
[06:12] <Neo_654> Ok then the first sector could be messed up.
[06:12] <Skullripp> so what's up?
[06:12] <ernesto> bisclavert
[06:12] <ernesto> you can try to install mandrake in the harddrive
[06:13] <Bisclaveret> wouldn't the repartitioning and formatting fix that? beh. i could try to stick it in my 386 and attempt a low-level format
[06:13] <ernesto> I tried that with a hard disk
[06:13] <ernesto> the hard drive worked
[06:13] <Bisclaveret> would take forever but my 386's bios can do lowlevel formats and interleave disks
[06:14] <Skullripp> ernes
[06:14] <Skullripp> pepe
[06:14] <ernesto> tell me
[06:14] <Ex-Cyber> Bisclaveret: I often hear that most modern HDs fake the low-level format because the hardware needed to do the low-level format only exists at the factory (cf. CD-R pregroove)
[06:14] <HrdwrBoB> 386
[06:14] <HrdwrBoB> yowsers
[06:14] <ernesto> windows user
[06:15] <EvolutionR> HrdwrbBoB: ????
[06:15] <Bisclaveret> heh.. i've only been a windows user since 98 or so >.> i'm a dos-man
[06:15] <sladen> Ex-Cyber: correct
[06:16] <ernesto> ey sladen I need to upgrade my mozilla navigator
[06:16] <ernesto> with the shockwave plugin
[06:17] <Skullripp> pepe
[06:17] <ernesto> what you know about it
[06:17] <ernesto> motherfucker
[06:17] <Bisclaveret> Ex-Cyber: when i upgraded my 386dx to use IDE devices last year i had to LLF my new 120mb seagate
[06:17] <EvolutionR> anyone knows how to disable the ntp.ubuntulinux.org *Fail* it took a few minutes to log in because of that thing? anyone????
[06:17] <ernesto> what you want
[06:17] <ernesto> windowsniano
[06:18] <Skullripp> gay take it easy
[06:18] <jdub> ernesto: keep it nice please.
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> 16:08 < sladen> EvolutionR: sudo update-rc.d -f remove ntp
[06:18] <EvolutionR> ernesto: u have the Synchronising ntp.ubuntulinux.org *fail* on ur Ubuntu startup screen????
[06:18] <ernesto> ey everybody the user Skullripp is using microsoft windows in this channel
[06:18] <swim> crimsun, hmm seems that the setting in gnome-volume-control is not saved at boot its back to oss
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> ernesto: they are allowed
[06:19] <Bisclaveret> if anyone wants a slightly failing ST-225 halfheight, ST-412 interface, they can have it. had to get rid of it because the motor for driving the platters is starting to fail. it's losing RPM's randomly, thus making you reboot the computer and spewing trash all over the hd, but no media errors
[06:19] <ernesto> jdub pardon me but that user is bothering me
[06:19] <swim> crimsun, no thats not it... it starts muted
[06:19] <Bisclaveret> i'm using win2kpro >.>
[06:19] <EvolutionR> sorry I did not see it thanks
[06:19] <Bisclaveret> up until last week i was using winme ;)
[06:19] <jdub> Bisclaveret: ouch. good move. ;)
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[06:20] <ernesto> winme is the best windows
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> I have 3 5RU pentium 2s here someone can take away
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> but you have to carry them
[06:20] <Bisclaveret> i dunno. i liked winME. it was functional
[06:20] <ernesto> when the kernel is go down
[06:20] <Lovechild> wow this was ugly, to get Muine working in Hoary I had to force it and link the flac lib to the old version... just nasty
[06:20] <Bisclaveret> people were amazed at my ability to constantly get 1 week+ uptime from it
[06:21] <ernesto> the video continue
[06:21] <Skullripp> ernes say your own opinion
[06:21] <Bisclaveret> "OMFG j00 have to reboot every 40 minutestst"
[06:21] <Ex-Cyber> Bisclaveret: something like that :)
[06:21] <magnon> you actually liked winme? :)
[06:21] <ernesto> you can give your opinion
[06:21] <sladen> EvolutionR: it's probably DHCP taking so long.  Probably because you wifi/DHCP is broken
[06:21] <ernesto> you used that version of windows
[06:22] <Lovechild> I haven't used Windows since 98, but that wasn't a half bad release to be honest, aside the crashing it did what it was supposed to
[06:22] <ernesto> you know everything about windows
[06:22] <Bisclaveret> magnon: never really had a lot of experience with NT-based stuff and i've used win95 OSR and winME for a while now
[06:22] <Skullripp> you love ms
[06:22] <ernesto> you can work with Bill gates
[06:22] <Bisclaveret> and i have a lot of "legacy" devices and older computers that i needed backwards compatibility with
[06:23] <ernesto> you know everything about it his products
[06:23] <jdub> this is rapidly shifting off-topic, dudes
[06:23] <EvolutionR> HrdwrBoB: I can't seem to surf internet (DSL) on Gnome 2.8 (ubuntu) warthy? I use adsl-start it showed status connected! but I click my Firefox webbrowser to try surf www.google.com or etc...cannot "Stil Resolving" I use a Aztech 305E (router) DSL modem
[06:24] <EvolutionR> sladen: which one are u refering to?
[06:24] <Skullripp> ernes
[06:24] <ernesto> tell me
[06:24] <Skullripp> i gotta go
[06:24] <ernesto> why
[06:24] <swim> anyone happen to know what this means when I try to run amarok: Socket-path is not a link or a directory: /home/joshua/.kde/socket-penguin-water
[06:24] <Bisclaveret> 8088 running IBM Personal DOS 3.0, GEM 286 running MS-DOS 5.0, AMD 386dx-40 running 6.22, 133mhz pentium running win95 osr, and this computer that used to have winme on it
[06:24] <Skullripp> i have to do something
[06:24] <sladen> EvolutionR: why your computer is taking long to boot  (btw  Ctrl-C will cancel the timeout if you're in a hurray)
[06:24] <EvolutionR> sladen: :) ok !
[06:25] <Bisclaveret> it's not that i love MS, it's that thats what i have ;)
[06:25] <Skullripp> byeeee
[06:25] <EvolutionR> sladen: I can't seem to surf internet (DSL) on Gnome 2.8 (ubuntu) warthy? I use adsl-start it showed status connected! but I click my Firefox webbrowser to try surf www.google.com or etc...cannot "Stil Resolving" I use a Aztech 305E (router) DSL modem
[06:26] <Bisclaveret> gad i hate chatzilla X.x
[06:26] <EvolutionR> I even try to of the disable "IpV6" mentioned on the ubuntu forum
[06:26] <magnon> Bisclaveret: I admire you ;)
[06:27] <EvolutionR> but failed to surf internet
[06:28] <Bisclaveret> heh. i'm more of a hardware person :p i can't code a lick unless it's in GW-BASIC or COBOL :p but i can troubleshoot and repair a NIC or make a covox soundcard for LPT1
[06:28] <Cam-> how do i play WMV files?
[06:28] <Bisclaveret> though it's been a while since i was in school and i've forgotten things :(
[06:28] <sladen> EvolutionR: this is the reason that NTP is timing out---your internet connection is broken!
[06:29] <EvolutionR> sladen: how to connect then? my dsl worked on WindowXP
[06:29] <sladen> EvolutionR:
[06:31] <goofykinky> hile, can anyone tell me how do i configure my usb devices for not run on my start up?
[06:31] <swim> is there some specific way to setup gtk themes? (not gkt2.0) but gtk...
[06:37] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys anyone else here have a 9700 pro
[06:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> that is detected as a 9500 pro
[06:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> im getting worse preformace than a 9600 pro under same ubuntu /drivers
[06:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> i dunno why
[06:45] <Necrosan> DeepSpaceAnt: install ati drivers
[06:46] <daniels> Necrosan: that is with fglrx
[06:46] <Jogariga> how can i install ethereal using apt-get?
[06:46] <daniels> fglrx is the only driver ever with the 9700/9500 problem, and the free driver doesn't accelerate 3D on r3xx/r4xx
[06:51] <Necrosan> daniels: ah. i have no ati cards nor a pc, so :)
[06:51] <thundrcleeze> When I'm trying to ./configure something what does this mean: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[06:52] <Britt> has anyone with centrino wifi had any probs lately?
[06:52] <thundrcleeze> Britt: nope, don't have it, sorry.
[06:52] <Britt> as in, my wifi isn't showing up any more :(
[06:52] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ alien -d mplayer.rpm
[06:52] <smogger914> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).
[06:52] <sladen> Britt: is the question  ''I'm having problems with ...'' ?
[06:52] <smogger914> how do u fix that
[06:52] <sladen> smogger914: fakeroot alien foo.rpm
[06:53] <Britt> sladen, well it just dissapeared with an update a week ago or so
[06:53] <sladen> Britt: update from what to what?
[06:53] <smogger914> doesnt work
[06:53] <Britt> from hoary to newest hoary
[06:54] <smogger914> bash: fakeroot: command not found
[06:54] <sladen> Britt: okay.  was this the  2.6.10.something kernel upgrade?
[06:54] <sladen> smogger914: sudo apt-get install fakeroot
[06:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> why don't i have smbmount in ubuntu?
[06:54] <Britt> sladen, not sure ... didn't have time to look into it at the time
[06:54] <Britt> sladen, probably a good guess, i hadn't updated in a while
[06:56] <smogger914> thanx
[06:56] <thundrcleeze> When I'm trying to ./configure something what does this mean: "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" ?
[06:57] <Britt> dmesg reports: eth1: Firmware 'ipw211-1.2.fw' not available or load failed
[06:57] <regeya> there's this perl module needed by intltool, see, and that perl module is called XML::Parser
[06:58] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ fakeroot alien -i mplayer.rpm
[06:58] <smogger914> mkdir: cannot create directory `mplayer-1.0pre6': File exists
[06:58] <smogger914> mkdir: cannot create directory `mplayer-1.0pre6/debian': File exists
[06:58] <smogger914> arrggg
[06:58] <thundrcleeze> So I should try and apt-get it, regeya?
[06:58] <regeya> apt-cache search for it
[06:58] <Dethread> ahoi
[06:59] <regeya> hn
[06:59] <regeya> hm even
[06:59] <thundrcleeze> I don't see it.
[06:59] <regeya> libxml-parser-perl - Perl module for parsing XML files <- maybe?
[06:59] <thundrcleeze> Ah ha.
[06:59] <regeya> BINGO!
[06:59] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, regeya, I'll try that
[06:59] <regeya> or not
[06:59] <vj> can anyone help me install ubuntu, live cd works perfect
[07:00] <thundrcleeze> Or not?
[07:00] <regeya> hm.
[07:00] <Dethread> vj: put in install cd, follow directions, enjoy
[07:00] <regeya> I dunno.  give it a shot
[07:00] <vj> dethread have done the normal and it installs but does not function right
[07:00] <Dethread> how so?
[07:01] <vj> well i have 4 iso's sent by ubuntu to me, none of them installs properply, i cannot access half of the applications, while ubuntu live cd works perfect
[07:02] <thundrcleeze> The LiveCD could really use an install script, I think.
[07:02] <Dethread> vj, tried downloading the iso?
[07:02] <vj> fc3, suse 9.2, mandrake 10.1 .......works perfect
[07:02] <vj> yes i have downloaded twice from the net and i have in all 6 iso copies
[07:03] <vj> and i am sure nothing wrong with my system as i can boot a lot of distro's
[07:03] <Dethread> hm, when you say "accessing packages", are you referring to the cd or online repositories?
[07:03] <swim> hay do you guys use anything to burn data to dvds?
[07:03] <stuNNed> is gstreamer lame plugin avail?
[07:04] <Supplicium> can you switch from gnome to kde in ubuntu?
[07:04] <techn9ne> swim: nautilus
[07:04] <techn9ne> Supplicium: yes
[07:04] <Supplicium> how?
[07:04] <techn9ne> umm download the kde packages via apt-get
[07:04] <vj> for example, i cannot access the applications
[07:05] <techn9ne> sudo apt-get install kde i think
[07:05] <swim> techn9ne, cool, ive been mainly a kde user so i used k3b in the past
[07:05] <regeya> Marcel Gagn
[07:05] <vj> i cannot set up the network, cannot detect the network card
[07:05] <techn9ne> swim: you can use k3b in gnome
[07:05] <Supplicium> how do i go about doing that, im new to linux sorry :P
[07:05] <regeya> 5 more LJ surveys; wonder if they'll list COoking with Linux in each one, and if I'll ever feel like giving it a rating other than 1.
[07:05] <vj> cannot see my ntfs partition
[07:05] <Dethread> hmmm
[07:05] <Dethread> I had to set mine up manually in the fstab
[07:05] <techn9ne> Supplicium: ok if you're a newbie goto computer->system configuration->Synaptic package manager and search for kde
[07:06] <vj> well i think i will wait for the next release of ubuntu
[07:06] <swim> techn9ne, yah but i allways seem to have issues when I try ... like now it cant find cdrdao, and it doesnt seem to see my external usb dvd burner anyways
[07:06] <Dethread> yeah, just a few more months
[07:06] <regeya> the next release of ubuntu will be awesome
[07:06] <Supplicium> tech9ne: thx alot.
[07:06] <Dethread> aye
[07:06] <techn9ne> swim: i dunno i dont use k3b. gnome ufrotunatley doesnt have a cd burning utility on the same level as k3b.
[07:07] <vj> i how do you know regeya
[07:07] <swim> hay is there anything like a gtk+qt engine that will make qt apps use gtk themes?
[07:07] <magnon> there's something over at freedesktop.org I think
[07:07] <regeya> vj: because I've installed things from the next release (not recommended) and things that are broken in warty actually *work*
[07:07] <regeya> ;-)
[07:07] <magnon> but it's not finished
[07:07] <vj> ok
[07:07] <techn9ne> you can get gnome themes that look like kde
[07:07] <smogger914> max@ubuntu:~ $ fakeroot alien -i mplayer_1.0pre6-1.20041114_i386.deb
[07:07] <smogger914> dpkg-deb: failed to create directory: Permission denied
[07:07] <smogger914> dpkg: error processing mplayer_1.0pre6-1.20041114_i386.deb (--install):
[07:07] <smogger914>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[07:07] <smogger914> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:07] <smogger914>  mplayer_1.0pre6-1.20041114_i386.deb
[07:08] <regeya> AAAAAAAAAAAAA
[07:08] <smogger914> how u fix that
[07:08] <techn9ne> ubuntu prob. runs gnome better than kde
[07:08] <vj> i have heard they are installing a graphical install
[07:08] <magnon> smogger914: why do you install the rpm?
[07:08] <smogger914> how else u do it
[07:08] <techn9ne> smogger914: run that command using sudo
[07:08] <magnon> or, what are you doing using alien
[07:08] <vj> plus a new set up icons
[07:08] <smogger914> how do u do it
[07:08] <Dethread> smogger914, get the deb or compile yourself
[07:08] <magnon> mplayer is in Hoary universe/multiverse
[07:08] <regeya> well, ubuntu is sorta *gnome-centric*
[07:08] <Dethread> "sorta"
[07:08] <Dethread> haha
[07:08] <regeya> so naturally gnome is a bit more polished on ubuntu
[07:08] <regeya> heh
[07:08] <regeya> sorry Dethread
[07:08] <vj> yeah, they have dedicated themself to it
[07:08] <magnon> and good reasons so :)
[07:09] <Dethread> ;)
[07:09] <techn9ne> mepis / suse are kde main kde distros i think
[07:09] <magnon> depends how long suse will stay kde centric only though, after novell
[07:09] <smogger914> how do u do it
[07:09] <vj> well i am using yoper now, and it been on the system since the last 15 days now, really fast as they say
[07:09] <magnon> nld is gnome already
[07:09] <regeya> true that
[07:09] <techn9ne> i dunno kde annoys me
[07:09] <Supplicium> are there any sweet themes for gnome like transparentcy and other cool looking stuff?
[07:09] <techn9ne> and seems slow
[07:09] <magnon> smogger914: put "sudo" in front of the command
[07:09] <regeya> o_O
[07:09] <techn9ne> Supplicium: http://art.gnome.org
[07:10] <thundrcleeze> Is just ubuntu's liveCD based on MEPIS or is it the whole thing?
[07:10] <techn9ne> the next version of gnome supports transparency but i dont know if this one does
[07:10] <Supplicium> kk thx.
[07:10] <techn9ne> thundrcleeze: its based on gnoppix
[07:10] <techn9ne> i mean knoppix
[07:10] <vj> well ubuntus live cd is based on gnoppix
[07:10] <regeya> kde seems fast these days to me *shrug* then again I'm using a gnome-centric desktop these days, so the technically-better-and-faster-but-horrible-UI must not appeal to me anymore. :-/
[07:10] <magnon> GNOME 2.10 has transparent panels and applets
[07:10] <thundrcleeze> Because when you boot it it says "Welcome to MEPIS LiveCD!"
 :P
[07:23] <stuNNed> is there a way to add galaxy repo's?
[07:25] <techn9ne> swim: i dont use qt apps
[07:25] <swim> techn9ne, ah Im trying not to myself, but I really like amarok, and k3b is pretty nice too
[07:26] <EvolutionR> how to enable zonealarm to dcc send on mirc?
[07:26] <swim> zonealarm!? isnt that windows crap
[07:26] <techn9ne> EvolutionR: wrong channel
[07:26] <techn9ne> zonealarm and mirc are both windows programs
[07:26] <EvolutionR> techn9ne : i have problem with linux ubuntu...I cant connect so I use windows :(
[07:26] <EvolutionR> pls
[07:27] <techn9ne> i have no idea because i dont use windows
[07:27] <funk> I'm assuming that you're not using mirc right now huh?
[07:27] <EvolutionR> what dcc port is mirc
[07:27] <EvolutionR> funk I 'm using mirc
[07:27] <EvolutionR> temp
[07:28] <funk> You're here and using mirc.  I expect that ZA is already configured to allow access?
[07:28] <EvolutionR> :) maybe the guy din't accept dcc
[07:29] <sangriag> amd64 installer burnt from iso does not get booted, doe anyone have idea?
[07:31] <sangriag> Of course, I do see 8 directories (dists, doc,install,isolinux, pics, pool, tools and ubuntu) and two files md5sum.txt and README.diskdefines in the burnt CD
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> does ubuntu run a samba daemon by default?
[07:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> a server..
[07:31] <techn9ne> no
[07:31] <EvolutionR> http://www.pastebin.com/231549  <[07:32] <techn9ne> that would be a major security hole
[07:32] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: it doesn't run daemons by default, full stop
[07:34] <funk> http://www.mirc.org/dccprob.html
[07:34] <funk> Evo, that's for you
[07:34] <funk> dcc issues with mirc
[07:35] <EvolutionR> funk nvm
[07:35] <EvolutionR> :) thanks anyway
[07:36] <funk> np
[07:36] <sangriag> funk any idea, why the amd64 installer does not get booted on its own (md5sum is right, the first booting device is cd-rom).
[07:37] <funk> How did you burn the iso
[07:39] <otter> hi, i just installed ubuntu
[07:39] <otter> and i get the $ prompt
[07:39] <otter> now what?
[07:39] <otter> how do i start the desktop?
[07:40] <otter> or, will ubuntu install in 2 gigs?   [was the desktop not installed?]
[07:41] <funk> xstart
[07:41] <otter> "command not found"
[07:41] <funk> dang
[07:42] <funk> You did the complete install right?
[07:42] <otter> apt reported that not everything got installed
[07:42] <otter> yes
[07:42] <funk> and you only have a blank ci?
[07:42] <otter> the cd installed fine
[07:42] <otter> then the apt get worked over the net
[07:42] <funk> did your system update from the net?
[07:42] <otter> yes
[07:42] <funk> so you've run the update and upgrade?
[07:43] <otter> but appeared to stop at some point and aptitude did not upgrade anything
[07:43] <funk> try it again..
[07:43] <otter> ok
[07:43] <otter> what'st he command for that?
[07:43] <funk> sudo apt-get update
[07:43] <funk> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:45] <otter> it does a few, then requires superuser to continue
[07:46] <otter> su wants the password and i never set it
[07:46] <otter> is there a default su password?
[07:46] <funk> It's the same as your defrault user
[07:46] <otter> i will try that again
[07:46] <randabis-laptop> my buddy is having some problems getting 3d acceleration working with his radeon igp 345m chipset in hoary. can anyone help?
[07:47] <otter> nope
[07:47] <thundrcleeze> Why is the root account "disabled" and sudo is used instead?
[07:47] <otter> su password not accepted
[07:47] <funk> have no ATI experience...  nvidia all the way on nix imho
[07:47] <randabis-laptop> I agree but this chip is supposed to have 3d acceleration in hoary/xorg
[07:48] <funk> thundrcleeze: security..
[07:48] <otter> says  dpkg requires superuser
[07:49] <funk> otter, I would reinstall it real quick.  Was this your first time installing it?
[07:49] <otter> yes
[07:49] <funk> yeah, if you can't even run apt and don't have root access, you're kinda hosed.
[07:49] <otter> will ubuntu install in 2 gigs
[07:49] <otter> ?
[07:50] <otter> ie: did it run out of space?
[07:50] <funk> If it gets weird on install again, check your image to ensure it's good.  Is this a pressed CD or a burnt CD?
[07:50] <heliolith_> hey all what's a good fontpack to DL via synaptic for standard web page fonts?  firefox is looking a little funny with fonts in ubuntu vs. windows
[07:50] <jdub> thundrcleeze: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[07:50] <otter> burnt from the iso
[07:50] <jdub> otter: you didn't happen to do a 'custom' install did you?
[07:50] <otter> no
[07:51] <otter> just let it roll
[07:51] <jdub> ok
[07:51] <jdub> so that's weird :)
[07:51] <jdub> otter: you run commands as root by using sudo, btw.
[07:51] <otter> i will try that now
[07:51] <jdub> otter: i suggest retrying the install and watching for any errors at all
[07:51] <funk> did you check the md5 before burning?  I'm still looking for space requirements but I would think 2Gs would be enough
[07:51] <sangriag> funk: I used k3b to burn CD image in ISO9660
[07:51] <otter> no md5 check
[07:51] <otter> i could
[07:51] <otter> should
[07:52] <sangriag> but I did, funk
[07:52] <sangriag> And md5sum is alright in my case ;-)
[07:52] <funk> sangriag: that should have worked.  I'm still looking for some info on your trouble.
[07:53] <sangriag> that would be very grateful.
[07:53] <otter> sudo dpkg --configure -a    got past the hangup
[07:53] <funk> It was the CD or DVD there sangriag?
[07:53] <otter> and now:  "no space left on device"
[07:53] <funk> lol
[07:53] <otter> so that is it
[07:53] <sangriag> CD
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> my buddy is having some problems getting 3d acceleration working with his radeon igp 345m chipset in hoary. can anyone help?
[07:54] <funk> well, you solved it for us then..  You need more than 2Gs for base install?
[07:54] <otter> seems so
[07:54] <jdub> otter: type apt-get clean
[07:54] <jdub> otter: then go again :)
[07:54] <otter> ok
[07:55] <techn9ne> randabis: ati + linux doesnt work well
[07:55] <sangriag> I have also made partitions for specific stuffs like /hda1 for /boot /hda7 for /, hda10 for /var hda13 for /user, hda5 and hda11 for /swap, /hdb6 for /tmp and /hdb16 for shareable /home with FC1 ;-)
[07:55] <techn9ne> talk to ati about that
[07:56] <otter> it's moving on and setting up python
[07:56] <otter> no complaints yet
[07:56] <otter> thanks
[07:57] <otter> lets see what happens
[07:58] <randabis-laptop> techn9ne I'm aware of that, but according to daniels himself on the forums, this chipset should work with 3d acceleration
[07:59] <funk> These are regular CDRs right sangriag?  Not CDRWs?
[07:59] <funk> randabis, I believe he'll need DRI for sure.  I don't know if that'scommon knowledge but I believe it to be true with ATI devices
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> yeah I believe he does have dri enabled, he's using the radeon driver now too, he's still getting low fps in glxgears however
[08:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here know how to set up a samba connection over an ssh tunnel?
[08:01] <daniels> randabis-laptop: i don't think we have working acceleration for the igp345
[08:01] <funk> man, I wish I had even a little working knowledge of ATI in Linux.. I'm definitely the last guy you want giving advise.  :)
[08:01] <daniels> s/acceleration/3d &/
[08:02] <daniels> it's a pretty new chipset, iirc
[08:02] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you can't unless you do ppp over ssh, which is also insane. i suggest you research standard vpn options.
[08:02] <daniels> randabis-laptop: what does lspci say?
[08:03] <randabis-laptop> okay I'll ask one sec
[08:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: there are howto's on this.
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/Samba-with-SSH/Samba-with-SSH.html#toc7
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> what am i missing here?
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> his chipset is showing up as an ati radeon igp 340m...that's funny though because in win2k it shows up as a 345m
[08:05] <swim> are there kde styles in the ubuntu repository? (just dont like the way my gtk apps look in gnome )
[08:06] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: sure, you can make a direct server connection. you can't browse, etc.
[08:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> browse?
[08:06] <otter> setup is moving right along :)
[08:07] <jdub> otter: rock ;)
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M
[08:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm just trying to treat a remote samba share, treating it as though it were a localhost share and letting ssh tunnel it.
[08:07] <otter> apt-get loads a ton of libraries i guess
[08:07] <jdub> otter: there have been quite a lot of security updates
[08:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: i'm confused because this howto seems to say i can do it, and a very smart engineer friend of mine on the bios team at intel says it's supposed to be possible.
[08:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do you mean by "can't browse"?
[08:08] <jdub> you can make a direct server connection
[08:08] <jdub> you can't browse the network without having a proper network tunnel
[08:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> isn't that what i'm using ssh to do?
[08:08] <jdub> the guide there clearly describes making a direct connection
[08:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the difference?
[08:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> am i, or am i not mounting a samba share?
[08:09] <jdub> it seems you intend to make a direct connection
[08:09] <jdub> which is what that document describes
[08:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to be able to mount a samba share
[08:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> that is remote..but securely
[08:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> hence the ssh part.
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> does that all jive with what you are getting from that doc?
[08:10] <jdub> do i have to repeat myself again?
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> repeat what?
[08:10] <randabis-laptop> you get that daniels?
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> you mentioned a direct connection.
[08:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm asking about mounting.
[08:11] <jdub> what do you think you're doing when mounting?
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> making a remote directory accessible und /mnt
[08:11] <jdub> and how is this done?
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> using smbfs
[08:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> smbmount
[08:11] <jdub> no, dude
[08:11] <jdub> what happens underneath...
[08:12] <jdub> i will give you a clue: you make a direct connection to the server
[08:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is a protocol called samba.
[08:12] <stuNNed> hi jdub
[08:12] <jdub> morning stuNNed
[08:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> ssh is used to map a local port to the remote machine on which the share is located.
[08:13] <stuNNed> morning jdub, going to bed shortly here in southern central us :)  have a good one
[08:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no idea why you're discussing the underlying mechanisms of the protocol.
[08:13] <jdub> i'm not
[08:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i feel like i'm asking an incredibly simple question and getting an answer that is incoherent.
[08:13] <sangriag> funk, yes regular CD
[08:13] <jdub> sheesh dude
[08:13] <jdub> you're talking about tunnelling cifs over ssh
[08:13] <funk> what burn speed?
[08:14] <jdub> that involves two connections
[08:14] <sangriag> 1x
[08:14] <jdub> the document very clearly describes how to make both connections
[08:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> does this documented method allow me to emyoy ssh to establish a secure tunnel from a local port to a port on a remote machine, such that a can use smbmount to mount a "local" shared directory that is presently transparently, even though it is actually a remote directory.
[08:14] <funk> quality discs right?
[08:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> cifs?
[08:14] <jdub> of course it does
[08:14] <sangriag> yes
[08:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> employ
[08:14] <jdub> that's precisely what it says it does, and i've confirmed that repeatedly to you
[08:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> so why do you keep bringing up this "direct connection" stuff?
[08:14] <sangriag> I have burnt severeal other images on the same quality disks
[08:15] <funk> hmm  It doens't even attempt to boot the disc or it hangs?
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> you keep talking about direct connections.
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've got a "direct connection" to google's web servers right now.
[08:15] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: because that's what you're doing. you are making a direct connection to the samba server, you do not need to browse.
[08:15] <sangriag> it attempt to boot the discs and then goes to the HDD booting (the second priority device)
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, now i see what you're saying.
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not trying to get a list of available shares.
[08:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know the name.
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> I think daniels died...hehe
[08:15] <sangriag> but the second priority device does not have grub installed in MBR (for FC1)
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> well i'm getting significant problems.
[08:16] <jdub> you can also get a list of shares on that machine. you cannot browse the network.
[08:16] <swim> weird Im trying to unrar something and it just fails... doesnt return anything except that it fails... !?
[08:16] <funk> smb over ssh = http://mindterm.appgate.com/pipermail/mindterm-users/2002q1/000516.html   might help..
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> which unrar are you using?
[08:16] <BROKEN_LADDER>  smbmount "\\\MICAHC\***" /mnt/brokenladder/ -o username=***,password=******,ip=<IP_ADDRESS>
[08:17] <swim> randabis, 0.0.1 i think
[08:17] <randabis-laptop> there's a free and a nonfree one
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> does that look correct?
[08:17] <jdub> funk: he already has a very clear document :)
[08:17] <randabis-laptop> the nonfree one tends to work better
[08:17] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: follow the documentation and experiment. you do not need our help.
[08:17] <swim> randabis-laptop, from the repos...
[08:17] <thundrcleeze> night everyone. :)
[08:17] <randabis-laptop> should be a nonfree unrar in the repos
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've followed the documentation..along with a computer engineer working in a prestigious part of intel.
[08:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> apparently we must both be idiots.
[08:18] <jdub> i'm sorry to hear that.
[08:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> because everything we've tried returns bizarre errors.
[08:18] <jdub> you might want to read a primer on ssh tunnelling
[08:18] <swim> randabis-laptop, hrmm I only see one in there ... hoary version anyways
[08:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks funk
[08:18] <Scooter> so with warty we are like Debian "testing"? TIA :)
[08:19] <jdub> Scooter: no, warty is stable and released
[08:19] <jdub> Scooter: hoary is the current development branch
[08:19] <randabis-laptop> swim yeah there is a nonfree one in hoary, I'm currently using it
[08:19] <jdub> Scooter: there is no real analogue to 'testing'
[08:19] <randabis-laptop> I think it is called rarnonfree or unrar-nonfree something like that
[08:19] <Scooter> I am getting some DEB packages, I need to know If i ned SID or WOODY
[08:19] <jdub> Scooter: don't mix ubuntu and debian
[08:20] <swim> randabis-laptop, i only see one in the hoary repos just called unrar
[08:20] <Scooter> I need thishttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=mame&sourceid=mozilla-search
[08:20] <Scooter> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=mame&sourceid=mozilla-search
[08:20] <jdub> Scooter: use universe and multiverse, which provide almost all of debian
[08:20] <Scooter> sorry
[08:20] <Scooter> Multiverse?
[08:20] <randabis-laptop> swim do you have multiverse enabled?
[08:20] <swim> randabis-laptop, no, what the heck is that ? :) I just migrated from arch-linux...
[08:21] <jdub> Scooter: universe and multiverse are additional, unsupported ubuntu repositories that cover all of debian (universe == the rest of debian main, multiverse == contrib/non-free)
[08:21] <randabis-laptop> you need to uncomment the universe and multiverse lines in /etc/apt/sources.list swim
[08:21] <otter> i think multiverse is for-pay stuff,  universe is still opensource?
[08:21] <Scooter> COOL! are the repository addresses listed somewhare?
[08:21] <randabis-laptop> not necessarily pay for
[08:21] <jdub> multiverse is just non-Free (capital F) for whatever reason
[08:21] <jdub> Scooter: see your sources.list
[08:22] <Scooter> Ah, Ok i look :)
[08:22] <jdub> Scooter: they're commented out by default
[08:22] <randabis-laptop> could be nonfree as in beer or freedom
[08:22] <Scooter> Ok cool :)
[08:22] <Scooter> Thankyou
[08:23] <bborkk> Is there a package that will install a Java plugin for Firefox?
[08:23] <swim> randabis-laptop, yup there it is unrar-nonfree ;)
[08:23] <randabis-laptop> there ya go
[08:23] <randabis-laptop> that one will work for most any rar file
[08:24] <swim> randabis-laptop, crazy it totally worked :)
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> yeah likely you had a newer rar file...the free unrar only works for very old rar files