[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> jpilot, yes.
[08:37] <discord> i like the icons in gnome
[08:37] <discord> when i have a text document
[08:38] <discord> you can read it
[08:38] <discord> and resize the icon
[08:38] <discord> make it gigantic if you want
[08:38] <gloin_> heh
[08:38] <gloin_> nice
[08:38] <discord> the panel seems easy to use also
[08:38] <discord> if thats what it is called
[08:38] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: to be honest, it's been a long time since I've used my palmpilot - and then I only used it to sync with Evolution... now I don't remember at all
[08:38] <discord> and i like having one on top and bottom and having them small
[08:39] <gloin_> discord: you'll find that the kmenueditor is a lot easier to use and understand than the gnome menueditors, which look to me suspiciously like regedit anyhow
[08:39] <discord> hmm
[08:39] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_: It's not a showstopper ... just figured someone, somewhere, has worked this one out already ...
[08:39] <discord> it may have changed
[08:40] <Sudo> hello
[08:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: IIRC, you've got to set jpilot to the correct USB TTY
[08:40] <FTTP> its me gloin :)
[08:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: try this: ls -l /dev/input/mice
[08:40] <FTTP> I reinstalled warty
[08:40] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_ - need root terminal for this?
[08:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: no
[08:40] <FTTP> now i ran synaptic and did the reload and mark updates/smart update
[08:41] <gloin_> lol thoreauputic
[08:41] <discord> an yone know how to make the gnome panel dictionary refer to the system dictionary also?
[08:41] <FTTP> there are new apps like sudo, and others
[08:41] <FTTP> are these bug fixes?
[08:41] <FTTP> security ?
[08:41] <gloin_> FTTP: you don't subscribe to bugtraq, do you?  lol
[08:41] <FTTP> login, lvm
[08:41] <FTTP> ppp, sudo, etc...
[08:41] <gloin_> FTTP: you for sure want to install those
[08:41] <FTTP> i should update those right?
[08:41] <gloin_> trust me
[08:41] <FTTP> ok
[08:41] <poO> anyone know how i can modify the startup software in ubuntu?
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  you know how the update when you install is different?
[08:42] <gloin_> FTTP: huh?
[08:42] <gloin_> poO: huh?
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  When u install and it updates where does it take the files from?
[08:42] <UbuntuNewbie> ls -l /dev/input/mice returns
[08:42] <gloin_> FTTP: same place synaptic does
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  When u do the 1st install and select yes to update from internet
[08:42] <UbuntuNewbie> crw-------    1 root     root      13,  63 2004-11-17 15:10 /dev/input/mice
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  Then why didnt it download these files?
[08:42] <gloin_> hmm
[08:42] <FTTP> since i had the files updated
[08:42] <FTTP> thats what im confused on
[08:42] <poO> glion: im trying to make a program start up when ubuntu loads
[08:42] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that's interesting - do you have a USB mouse?
[08:42] <discord> ill switch to kde
[08:43] <poO> anyone know how to do it?
[08:43] <gloin_> FTTP: sometimes applications need to be installed sequentially
[08:43] <UbuntuNewbie> Yes, USB mouse. I'm thinking maybe some confusion between USB mouse and USB Palm cradle ... ?
[08:43] <discord> if it will let me use the work space switcher with dual monitors so that monitor one has workspace 1+2 and monitor 2 has workspace 3+4
[08:43] <foolswisdom> there is no gcc on the live cd eh
[08:44] <FTTP> gloin:  but if you select no on the update from internet upon install it wont install anything and if u go to synaptic it wont either
[08:44] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: see if you can reconfigure jpilot so that, say if now it's using /dev/somethingUSB0, change the 0 to a 1
[08:44] <FTTP> gloin:  So obviously it gets different files or something
[08:44] <gloin_> FTTP: worked for me...
[08:44] <poO> glin: u know how to make a program to start up when ubuntu loads?
[08:44] <poO> gloin*
[08:44] <rss> hello
[08:44] <gloin_> poO: you might check in /etc/init.d for a boot.local or something
[08:44] <foolswisdom> i am trying to figure out how to bootstrap Ubuntu from the Live CD ... no gcc makes it hard
[08:44] <rss> How do I configure my cd writer?
[08:45] <FTTP> another thing......... how do i redo my screensize?
[08:45] <rss> it is a LG cd writer
[08:45] <FTTP> my screen comes out wrong
[08:45] <FTTP> the size and all
[08:45] <FTTP> its fine on windows
[08:45] <gloin_> FTTP: SaX2
[08:45] <gloin_> =P
[08:45] <FTTP> gloin:  What tool does ubuntu have?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> poO: do you mean load programs when gnome starts? If so , just check the option to save your session when you log out
[08:45] <FTTP> sax2 is suse
[08:46] <discord> rss: did you try ccdroast?
[08:46] <FTTP> what?
[08:46] <discord> xcdroast
[08:46] <FTTP> :)
[08:46] <rss> discord, is it on the main repository?
[08:46] <rss> it is not configured
[08:46] <rss> i think
[08:46] <discord> rss probably aptget install xcdroast
[08:46] <rss> wanted to blank a CD-RW
[08:46] <discord> then there is a menu to choose drive, etc.
[08:46] <rss> so tried in cdrecord
[08:47] <rss> cdrecord blank=all
[08:47] <gloin_> k3b is still by far the nicest CD-mastering program I've seen for any OS
[08:47] <rss> but it came back with errors
[08:47] <discord> gloin is it for linux?
[08:47] <rss> i think it should use /dev/scd0
[08:47] <FTTP> gloin:  What tool does ubuntu have for configuring screensize?
[08:47] <FTTP> sax2 is suse :P
[08:48] <rss> but it is saying something about /dev/sg*
[08:48] <gloin_> discord: yeah
[08:48] <rss> which I believe is not for my cd writer
[08:48] <gloin_> and it is amazing =]
[08:48] <discord> i think there is some XF86config thing
[08:48] <discord> if you dont want to edit it directly
[08:48] <rss> FTTP, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:48] <rss> sudo
[08:50] <UbuntuNewbie> Hmmm ... looking at /dev for a ttyusb0 or ttyusb1, or *anything* claiming to be either usb or pilot ... coming up empty. A lot of numbered tty devices, some ttys (serial?), no usb, no pilot
[08:50] <FTTP> rss im going to try the nvidia driver 1st
[08:50] <FTTP> Note (optional): the nvidia-settings package provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as gamma correction.
[08:50] <FTTP> how do i install nivida-settings?
[08:50] <FTTP> i installed the nvidia driver just now
[08:51] <discord> it should be on the package manager
[08:51] <discord> just choose it
[08:51] <FTTP> sudo apt-get nvidia-settings?
[08:51] <Gaaruto> sudo apt-get install nvidia-setting
[08:51] <FTTP> oh
[08:51] <FTTP> thanks
[08:51] <Gaaruto> :)
[08:51] <discord> FTTP new to the apt-get?
[08:51] <FTTP> yep
[08:52] <discord> what distro were you on b4?
[08:52] <UbuntuNewbie> Unrelated question - has anyone seen a .deb for the new 0.9 version of mozilla thunderbird yet?
[08:52] <FTTP> well i tried various distros long time ago
[08:52] <FTTP> like slackware 3.0
[08:52] <FTTP> and redhat 8
[08:52] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: there is a 1.x version in hoary (testing) version
[08:52] <FTTP> and mandrake when it was a redhat with kde
[08:52] <thoreauputic> FTTP: to find stuff with apt:  apt-cache search nvidia  (for example)
[08:52] <UbuntuNewbie> W00t! I'll check that out ...
[08:53] <FTTP> oh no
[08:53] <FTTP> i didnt read the directions
[08:53] <discord> mandrake doesnt use a redhat kernel anymore?
[08:53] <FTTP> NVIDIA Graphics Card
[08:53] <FTTP> Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-3
[08:53] <FTTP> do i need to redo all the commands ?
[08:53] <FTTP> or just install the i686 kernel now?
[08:53] <discord> anyone from the seattle area in here?
[08:54] <discord> you need those modules
[08:54] <discord> they are restricted
[08:54] <thoreauputic> discord: mandrake hasn't used a redhat kernel for *eons*
[08:54] <discord> because they contain non free stuff i think
[08:54] <FTTP> discord right but do i need to redo the config
[08:54] <FTTP> or does new kernel automatically change everything
[08:55] <FTTP> for the nvidia drivers i mean
[08:55] <thoreauputic> gloin_: debian does it for backward compatibility with old hardware
[08:55] <FTTP> i should have installed drivers after kernel or it doesnt matter?
[08:55] <discord> gloin its because that is the generic x86 everyone has although i think slackware may compile for i486 now
[08:55] <thoreauputic> gloin_: a good thing for people recycling old computers etc
[08:55] <discord> not many in the us still with a 386 though
[08:56] <discord> that thing is a dinasaur
[08:56] <discord> i have a commodore 64 though
[08:56] <FTTP> discord:  does it matter that i did the kernel after the drivers?
[08:56] <FTTP> or it doesnt matter?
[08:56] <thoreauputic> discord: we are talking internationally here ( third world countries for instance)
[08:56] <discord> um no i dont think so
[08:56] <FTTP> ok thanks
[08:56] <discord> just make sure you have the drivers and the matching kernel
[08:56] <FTTP> yep
[08:57] <FTTP> ok gonna reboot
[08:57] <Chibi> Damn, This article is getting WAY too long.
[08:57] <FTTP> brb
[08:57] <discord> i know this thats why i said in the us
[08:57] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_ - do I need to *create* /dev/ttyusb0 and/or /dev/ttyusb1? I see a MAKEDEV shell script ...
[08:57] <discord> just didnt capitalize US
[08:57] <lil_anthony> question: i have 2 network cards in my computer one pci and one isa after getting the isa one to work by disabling pnp on its chip using a dos disk and setting is io to 300h and irq to 10 and setting it to reserved for legacy.  now my pci card does not work but shows up in device manager any reason how to fix this? every time i try to click on networking to activate it nothing happens
[08:58] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: you shouldn't need to make those devices... I'm really curious as to how your mouse is being seen the way it is
[08:58] <discord> anyone try gentoo in here?
[08:58] <Agrajag> I used it for a year
[08:58] <UbuntuNewbie> This is odd, then, there is no /dev/anythingUSB device I can see
[08:58] <discord> do you need both lil_anthony are you using it as a server?
[08:58] <discord> router?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> discord: yeah, and actually I think 486 would be fine since getting linux to run on 386 with a GUI would be practically impossible, I suspect
[08:59] <discord> um
[08:59] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that is odd.. I have no clue, honestly
[08:59] <discord> windowmaker maybe
[08:59] <discord> i mean 386 ran windoxe 3.1
[08:59] <lil_anthony> i'm using it as a server per say here is what i'm dong i hve a crossover going to my laptop for filesharing on a windows box using samba
[08:59] <FTTP> drivers fixed my problem, but now instead of ubuntu, my computer loads with an nvidia logo
[08:59] <thoreauputic> discord: true
[09:00] <lil_anthony> the laptop is connected to a wireless router but i have theh crossover plugged in to its other port
[09:00] <lil_anthony> that is internal to the laptop
[09:00] <FTTP> how do i restore the ubuntu logo ? :P
[09:00] <gloin_> hehe
[09:00] <lil_anthony> two totally seperate ips
[09:00] <discord> whats with that setup lil_anthony? trying to forward some traffic through it?
[09:00] <UbuntuNewbie> lil_anthony - you might pick up an inexpensive PCI 10/100 card. I've seen them as low as $5/$10 - would not want an ISA card in my server if I could avoid it
[09:01] <FTTP> discord:  the nvidia driver settings change the ubuntu logos?
[09:01] <lil_anthony> well i understand all that
[09:01] <gloin_> lil_anthony: I'm thinking you probably have IRQ issues - good old ISA cards pretty much don't know how to configure themselves
[09:01] <lil_anthony> but i had it working
[09:01] <FTTP> discord:  Now it boots into nvidia ugly screen
[09:01] <gloin_> lil_anthony: you may have to configure it from the BIOS
[09:01] <lil_anthony> i hard configured it and it was working
[09:01] <lil_anthony> i did
[09:01] <discord> FTTP you have to edit your config file to tell it not too
[09:01] <discord> hold on ill look at mine
[09:01] <FTTP> discord how do i do that?
[09:01] <lil_anthony> and again the isa card IS WORKING but the pci is not
[09:01] <FTTP> which is the config file?
[09:02] <discord> /etc/X11/XF86_4config or something of that nature
[09:02] <lil_anthony> i set the isa's io to 300h and the irq to 10
[09:02] <discord> anyone know why they are not using Xorg?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[09:02] <lil_anthony> and i did modprobe 3c509 io=0x300 irq=10
[09:03] <lil_anthony> and the isa card works
[09:03] <gloin_> discord: there's a faq on that - hoary does use xorg
[09:03] <lil_anthony> just can't get the pci one to
[09:03] <discord> hoary is that the testing version?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> actually that should be /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:03] <discord> or is that the nickname for
[09:03] <gloin_> discord: yeah
[09:03] <thoreauputic> case sensitive :/
[09:03] <discord> warty warthog
[09:03] <Agrajag> yes, warty is stable, hoary is testing
[09:04] <FTTP> discord which line?
[09:04] <FTTP> discord:  I dont see anything in there that could be it
[09:04] <FTTP> but what do i know :)
[09:04] <UbuntuNewbie> lil_anthony, I guess I would ask, with 100BaseT and even gigabit cards so cheap, is this troubleshooting problem worth your time? That being said, do you have to tell the PCI interrupt-controlling thingie (I've forgotten the term) not to use IRQ10 that you gave to the ISA card? That would be a CMOS setting ... I think (it's late here)
[09:04] <discord> Section "Device"
[09:04] <discord> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[09:04] <discord> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[09:04] <discord> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[09:04] <discord>         Option "NoLogo" "1"
[09:04] <discord>         Option "TwinView"
[09:04] <discord>         Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-61"
[09:05] <discord>         Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "56-75"
[09:05] <discord>         Option "MetaModes" "1024x768, 1024x768;800x600, 800x600;"
[09:05] <discord>         Option     "NoTwinViewXineramaInfo" "False"
[09:05] <discord>         Option "TwinViewOrientation"      "RightOf"
[09:05] <discord>         Option      "Xinerama" "on"
[09:05] <discord>         Option      "Clone" "on"
         Option "NoLogo" "1" specifically is what j00 need
[09:05] <discord> FTTP
[09:05] <lil_anthony> considering it ws working like 2 seconds ago yes i would consider it worth the time
[09:06] <Treenaks> discord: please use www.pastebin.com nest time
[09:06] <discord> heheheh
[09:06] <Treenaks> next time too
[09:06] <lil_anthony> both cards were working perfectly
[09:06] <FTTP> discord mine has fontpath, and modules
[09:06] <FTTP> no options
[09:06] <lil_anthony> but X crashed on me so i rebooted and here i am
[09:06] <discord> just goto the device section
[09:06] <Chibi> http://www.studiochibico.com/articles.php?mode=comments&id=30 <- If anyone wants to read something really boring before I switch back to teh ghetto laptop.
[09:06] <gloin_> FTTP: just add 'em in =]
[09:06] <discord> under driver "nvidia"
[09:07] <discord> and add option line in
[09:07] <discord> you do not need all of mine
[09:07] <FTTP> discord:  ok
[09:07] <discord> anyone use dual monitors in here?
[09:08] <gloin_> man
[09:08] <discord> other than me
[09:08] <discord> both of mine worked
[09:08] <discord> then i removed some ram
[09:08] <discord> and now they dont
[09:08] <discord> had to remove the ram
[09:08] <gloin_> I'd love to talk to whomever is compiling the nvidia drivers for .deb packaging, becaue they clearly know something I don
[09:08] <FTTP> discord mine doesnt have a driver nvidia part
[09:08] <gloin_> 't
[09:08] <discord> cause me nforce 2 mb is a bitchass
[09:08] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_ - just to check my guesses - should I be able to see /dev/ttyusb-something devices in /dev?
[09:08] <gloin_> newest nvida Ddriver BREAKS my system
[09:08] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that's what I'd expect to see...
[09:08] <smo> I'm using dual-head with nvidia twin-view
[09:09] <discord> smo do you have integrated video?
[09:09] <discord> mine is on the motherboard
[09:09] <smo> nope, an AGP card
[09:09] <discord> when i took my ram out
[09:09] <discord> i only get 1 screen now
[09:09] <discord> but both work in console
[09:09] <UbuntuNewbie> K
[09:10] <discord> its one of those things that no one can help me with
[09:10] <discord> sigh
[09:11] <smo> I'll admit I've not seen a motherboard with two outputs onboard.  But then I generally avoid onboard anything  (I broke my own rule today, and it bit me .. so call me jaded)
[09:12] <UbuntuNewbie> 'Cause I don't ...
[09:12] <discord> its funny they call freenode UBUNTU Servers
[09:12] <FTTP> ok gonna try it
[09:12] <FTTP> rebooting
[09:12] <FTTP> brb
[09:14] <UbuntuNewbie> lil_anthony - do the CMOS settings for your mobo allow you to set PCI configuration? That might let you reserve IRQ10 for the ISA card, which I assume is not plug and play...
[09:15] <FTTP> ok now it shows no logo, not even the ubuntu logo when u start up
[09:15] <FTTP> it shows some text then goes straight into ubuntu login screen
[09:16] <FTTP> how do i get it back to normal?
[09:16] <Treenaks> UbuntuNewbie: if the bios doesn't support it, you can force it with acpi_isa_irq=10
[09:16] <UbuntuNewbie> Treenaks: I think that's for lil_anthony (acpi_isa_irq=10)
[09:16] <Treenaks> UbuntuNewbie: yes, but only if the bios doesn't support it
[09:17] <Treenaks> this is from suse, but might help:
[09:17] <Treenaks> http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/10/81_acpi.html
[09:17] <FTTP> i should just be able to do apt-get and it should work fine and not change stuff <grin>
[09:17] <FTTP> ill check my old file
[09:17] <Hyp-mer-tized> (my eyes are getting heavy ...)
[09:17] <Hyp-mer-tized> (sleepy ...)
[09:18] <discord> FTTP what is the problem
[09:18] <UbuntuNewbie> Time to schedule some downtime; thanks all
[09:18] <discord> did you have the nvidia logo before?
[09:18] <discord> does the nvidia driver not work for you?
[09:18] <FTTP> discord driver works fine
[09:19] <discord> so did that option not work?
[09:19] <FTTP> discord:  But when i added no logo, it boots right into the login prompt
[09:19] <FTTP> didnt it used to have a ubuntu with text underneath?
[09:19] <discord> what did it do before?
[09:19] <FTTP> or was that only for the install
[09:19] <discord> i dunno i dont use gpm
[09:20] <discord> but i wouldnt think that option would mess with it
[09:20] <discord> i login to console
[09:20] <FTTP> hmm
[09:20] <FTTP> anyone else here?
[09:20] <smo> I'm curious exactly what part of the bootup process you're expecting to see the logo?
[09:20] <FTTP> smo:  You know the ubuntu logo where there is text underneath
[09:20] <FTTP> is that just for the install?
[09:21] <smo> the half blue / half black you see when it first boots the install CD?
[09:21] <discord> you mean the background?
[09:21] <FTTP> smo:  When u boot into ubuntu what do you see?
[09:21] <FTTP> smo:  Just a little text then the ubuntu login prompt?
[09:21] <smo> lots and lots of scrolling text, and then gdm's login screen
[09:22] <FTTP> i see a few lines of text, then the login
[09:22] <FTTP> yeah its normal i guess
[09:22] <discord> sounds right

[09:22] <FTTP> ill put back the logo
[09:22] <discord> heheh
[09:22] <FTTP> i shouldnt have messed with it :P
[09:22] <discord> you know what is nice
[09:22] <discord> bootsplash
[09:22] <discord> thats what you want FTTP
[09:22] <discord> heheheh
[09:22] <discord> when i turn on my laptop
[09:22] <discord> i get the text
[09:22] <discord> with a big penguin in the background
[09:22] <smo> I've actually found a use for bootsplash now.  suprised myself  (it's not usually on my list of wants)
[09:23] <discord> whats that smo?
[09:23] <smo> building a PVR .. watching linux boot on a TV feels so wrong
[09:23] <smo> reminds me of so many years where the keyboard, tape deck & computer were all the same beige lump
[09:25] <discord> is their an unofficial bootsplash package for ubuntu?
[09:25] <discord> i guess i could use the debian one
[09:25] <discord> it would probably require a custom kernel
[09:26] <discord> man i wanna do some junk to the console
[09:26] <discord> need more programming skillz
[09:26] <Gaaruto> bye all
[09:26] <discord> bootsplash
[09:26] <discord> it would take some serious hacking
[09:27] <FTTP> discord how do i reprobe the modline?
[09:27] <FTTP> i entered in the refresh rates by hand
[09:27] <FTTP> which were all wrong
[09:27] <FTTP> on the modline setting thats prolly wrong too
[09:27] <FTTP> right?
[09:29] <gloin_> man
[09:29] <gloin_> this xserver doesn't break halfway
[09:29] <gloin_> even if I revert, it still won't come back
[09:29] <gloin_> who does the nvidia drivers for ubuntu?
[09:29] <Agrajag> uh
[09:29] <Agrajag> nvidia?
[09:30] <discord> yeah
[09:30] <gloin_> Agrajag: Yeah, the drivers get repackaged and integrated
[09:30] <discord> unless you are using
[09:30] <discord> the nv drivers
[09:30] <gloin_> no
[09:30] <gloin_> I'm using nvidia
[09:30] <discord> then its made by nvidia
[09:30] <gloin_> and tried to upgrade twice to current driver for nvidia
[09:30] <gloin_> no discord
[09:30] <discord> packaged by ubuntu ppls
[09:30] <discord> wherever they are
[09:30] <gloin_> exactly
[09:30] <gloin_> I'd like to find out how they're repackaged so I can upgrade
[09:30] <discord> i dont think they are in here though
[09:31] <gloin_> I've had to reinstall twice because the newer drivers aren't packaged yet and using the one from nvidia ruins the xserver beyond any repair
[09:31] <discord> ubuntu devlopers speak up if you are in here
[09:31] <Agrajag> you could just ue the nvidia installer
[09:31] <gloin_> Agrajag: see above
[09:31] <Agrajag> oh oh
[09:31] <Agrajag> well that's odd
[09:32] <discord> yeah the nvidia driver is an easy install
[09:32] <gloin_> there's some trick that I just don't know
[09:32] <gloin_> discord: lol not for me
[09:32] <discord> does require kernel source though
[09:32] <gloin_> for me the nvidia driver is a reinstall of the OS
[09:32] <discord> why's that?
[09:32] <Agrajag> did you remove the ubuntu-installed driver first?
[09:32] <gloin_> Agrajag: no...
[09:32] <gloin_> umm
[09:32] <gloin_> hmm
[09:32] <Agrajag> well you probably should
[09:32] <Agrajag> start clean
[09:32] <discord> you would think the nvidia one would do it
[09:32] <discord> though
[09:32] <discord> but to be safe
[09:33] <discord> its easy to remove
[09:33] <discord> that script they have
[09:33] <discord> is pretty nice
[09:33] <gloin_> ssh
[09:33] <discord> it usually detects itself
[09:33] <gloin_> I'm going to uninstall here
[09:33] <gloin_> see if I can get away with it
[09:33] <discord> you want me to ssh into your boxen and do it for you
[09:33] <gloin_> lol
[09:33] <discord> :]
[09:35] <dukeku> it's not boxen
[09:36] <clee> heh.
[09:36] <clee> so, warty fails to boot on an 8-way Unisys system partition.
[09:37] <gloin_> Agrajag: that was the trick =]
[09:37] <gloin_> saved me from another reinsttall
[09:38] <UbuntuNewbie> Back ...
[09:38] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_: Just wanted to say I think I've got it working (the Palm sync) ...
[09:38] <FTTP> ok i have to compile my APC software now
[09:38] <FTTP> no compiler included with ubuntu right?
[09:38] <Agrajag> apt-get install build-essential
[09:39] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: what was the trick for it?
[09:39] <Agrajag> that give you gcc and some others
[09:39] <Agrajag> gives
[09:39] <UbuntuNewbie> Used mknod to create /dev/ttyUSB0 through /dev/ttyUSB15, set a symlink to /dev/ttyUSB1 for the palm, and pointed jpilot to the symlink
[09:39] <GammaRay> Agrajag: build-essential
[09:40] <FTTP> thanks agrajag
[09:40] <UbuntuNewbie> It's sync'ing now; if it ever stops I'll know if it was OK or not ...
[09:40] <Agrajag> GammaRay: what
[09:40] <gloin_> heh
[09:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: if it makes you feel any better, I get to do battle with my iPod when I get vid drivers stabilized
[09:40] <UbuntuNewbie> LOL
[09:41] <GammaRay> Agrajag: that package
[09:41] <Agrajag> GammaRay: what about it
[09:41] <UbuntuNewbie> I'm feeling just fine, tho worn out (bloody but unbowed?)
[09:41] <gloin_> heh
[09:41] <gloin_> same
[09:41] <GammaRay> Agrajag: I guess I mis-read what you said
[09:41] <gloin_> I'm now on hoary with the newest nvidia drivers, which ARE a lot faster =]
[09:41] <gloin_> so life is good
[09:42] <clee> mmm.
[09:42] <clee> hoary is my friend.
[09:42] <stuNNed> is there an ubuntu document for compiling kernel?  (i need to do this to change something from M to built in)
[09:42] <gloin_> eh, I call 10% framerate increase in glxgears worth the effort =]
[09:42] <gloin_> stuNNed: there's a wiki on it
[09:43] <lhb> stuNNed: in the wiki is about 3
[09:43] <UbuntuNewbie> Worked ...
[09:43] <stuNNed> gloin_, lnb: thanks mates
[09:43] <FTTP> The PowerChute Business Edition Agent requires at least
[09:43] <FTTP>       Sun Microsystems' JVM 1.4.1.
[09:43] <gloin_> w00t
[09:43] <FTTP> how do i apt-get jvm 1.4.1?
[09:43] <FTTP> or can i ?
[09:43] <gloin_> ok now to get root back...
[09:43] <UbuntuNewbie> I come from a Window$ environment I'm not used to things working
[09:43] <clee> ah, the sed update totally killed me until I rememberd aptitude hold
[09:44] <clee> (on hammer)
[09:44] <clee> dunno if it was broken on i386
[09:44] <gloin_> clee: sed's fixed now =]
[09:44] <clee> gloin_: Glad to hear that :)
[09:44] <clee> means I can upgrade my work workstation :)
[09:45] <clee> so, man. did anybody else here see The Incredibles?
[09:46] <discord> FTTP
[09:47] <FTTP> discord yes?
[09:47] <discord> wjere os that bonobo bot when you need it
[09:47] <FTTP> does sun java work with apt-get?
[09:47] <FTTP> or do i need to download it from sun?
[09:48] <discord> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:48] <discord> read that
[09:48] <discord> man im good
[09:48] <discord> and no thank u's
[09:48] <discord> i think that means its bedtime
[09:50] <UbuntuNewbie> I think discord had a point there
[09:51] <UbuntuNewbie> Thanks again, gloin_ - Khazad ai menu
[10:03] <FTTP> can someone help me install the sun java for linux i downloaded?
[10:03] <FTTP> i tried the website stuff but it didnt work
[10:03] <stuNNed> FTTP, you can get blackdown in the repo's
[10:03] <FTTP> stunned:  Is that 1.4.2?
[10:03] <luc1f3r> hey guys
[10:04] <luc1f3r> where is the best place for me to get Nvidia drivers?
[10:04] <stuNNed> FTTP, it's blackdown 1.4_something
[10:04] <FTTP> stunned:  There are 2 of em, fs and rc1
[10:04] <luc1f3r> or rather, the Nvidia driver for my GFX card
[10:04] <FTTP> ok which should i get?
[10:04] <FTTP> fs or rc1?
[10:04] <Agrajag> luc1f3r: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:04] <stuNNed> FTTP, do you have deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./ as a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:04] <Treenaks> http://www.ubuntulinux/org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <luc1f3r> Agrajag: will that be the newest driver?
[10:05] <Treenaks> luc1f3r: it'll be the driver that was the newest when warty was released
[10:05] <luc1f3r> I think I've done that...  My problem is in the Screen Resolution settings
[10:05] <Treenaks> morning daniels
[10:05] <Agrajag> no, if you want the latest ones I suggest going to nvidia.com
[10:05] <daniels> morning
[10:05] <luc1f3r> okay
[10:06] <FTTP> stunned nope in synaptic do i have to add the / ./ also?
[10:06] <stuNNed> FTTP, not sure about synaptic, let me check
[10:06] <FTTP> stunned in distribution and sections what do i put?
[10:07] <stuNNed> FTTP, on URI line put: http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/
[10:07] <stuNNed> FTTP, an on Distribution line put: ./
[10:07] <stuNNed> and that should cover it.
[10:08] <stuNNed> then 'Reload' and install j2re1.4
[10:10] <FTTP> stunned also how do i install my apc software?
[10:10] <FTTP> its also a .bin
[10:10] <FTTP> for linux
[10:10] <stuNNed> FTTP, apc?
[10:10] <FTTP> my ups
[10:11] <Agrajag> chmod +x whatever.bin && sudo ./whatever.bin
[10:11] <FTTP> it needed java
[10:11] <FTTP> ok
[10:11] <FTTP> also in my screen it says applying changes
[10:11] <FTTP> for the java
[10:11] <stuNNed> FTTP, you probly need to manually copy the plugin to your firefox plugins dir as well
[10:11] <FTTP> and it had long text and said end
[10:11] <stuNNed> FTTP, did you accept the agreement?
[10:11] <FTTP> no
[10:11] <Treenaks> uh
[10:11] <Treenaks> if you need java
[10:12] <FTTP> how do i accept the aggreement?
[10:12] <Treenaks> http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[10:12] <Treenaks> look at this one
[10:12] <FTTP> its stuck at end
[10:12] <FTTP> i pressed enter but nothing
[10:12] <stuNNed> FTTP, press 'q'
[10:12] <stuNNed> FTTP, then 'yes'
[10:12] <stuNNed> ?
[10:12] <FTTP> thanks :)
[10:13] <seek187> lol I got so mad when I couldn't figure that out :P
[10:13] <stuNNed> FTTP, but if you want java 1.5 see Treenaks' link, thanks Treenaks
[10:13] <Treenaks> stuNNed: it works great for applets on websites
[10:13] <seek187> I don't just see why no one just uses the plain installer I think it's easier
[10:14] <Treenaks> seek187: the package also plays nice with the debian "alternatives" system and the other java-packages available
[10:14] <FTTP> Exception in main class "JExpressLoader"
[10:14] <FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?
[10:14] <FTTP> now what?
[10:14] <Treenaks> 10:14 < FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?
[10:14] <Treenaks> look at the log file, check if you have enough disk space ???
[10:14] <FTTP> treenaks yep after i tried what agrajag told me
[10:14] <FTTP> treenaks plenty of space
[10:15] <FTTP> Thu Nov 18 04:14:03 2004 Java wizard not started properly
[10:15] <FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?
[10:15] <FTTP> Thu Nov 18 04:14:03 2004 Other possible causes for errors:
[10:15] <FTTP>     * Read/write access rights to the 'temp' and installation directories?
[10:15] <FTTP>     * OS need to be patched to run Java apps?
[10:15] <FTTP>     * Anti-virus software installed that won't permit unknonwn executable or JAR
[10:15] <FTTP> do i need to do it after reboot?
[10:16] <smo> was that errors.log ?
[10:16] <FTTP> yes
[10:16] <Treenaks> FTTP: no, reboots are only necessary for kernel upgrades and hardware upgrades
[10:16] <FTTP> hmm
[10:16] <FTTP> so now what?
[10:16] <FTTP> i tried that chmod +x and sudo /.
[10:17] <Treenaks> FTTP: sudo /. ?????
[10:17] <FTTP> thats what agrajag told me to do
[10:17] <FTTP> sudo filename /.
[10:17] <Treenaks>  /. ? that is just weird..
[10:18] <FTTP> err ./ filename
[10:18] <Treenaks> ./filename then without the space
[10:18] <FTTP> sudo ./filename is what he said
[10:18] <FTTP> is that right?
[10:18] <Treenaks> FTTP: could be
[10:18] <Treenaks> FTTP: but look at http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html, really
[10:18] <Treenaks> FTTP: it's so much easier
[10:18] <jmhodges> back..
[10:18] <jmhodges> oh man..
[10:18] <jmhodges> sed still hasn't made it in?
[10:18] <FTTP> no he said /.
[10:18] <FTTP> he said sudo ./filename
[10:18] <Treenaks> jmhodges: sed is fixed.. according to some poeple here
[10:19] <FTTP> now im confused
[10:19] <FTTP> i did the chmod +x
[10:19] <seek187> yup it is!
[10:19] <jmhodges> Treenaks: really? wonder why it didnt hit hoary-changes
[10:19] <FTTP> seek187:  What is the right command?
[10:19] <jmhodges> Treenaks: i less than three you
[10:19] <FTTP> seek187:  I did the chmod x filename
[10:19] <seek187> FTTP, for what
[10:19] <jmhodges> seek187: you as well :)
[10:19] <FTTP> to install a bin?
[10:19] <Treenaks> jmhodges: hm.. people here told me
[10:19] <jmhodges> thanks :)
[10:19] <seek187> sudo ./filename
[10:19] <Treenaks> FTTP: the java binary package from sun.com you mean?
[10:19] <FTTP> no
[10:19] <FTTP> the apc .bin
[10:19] <Agrajag> no, I said ./
[10:19] <FTTP> for powerchute
[10:20] <Agrajag> look up
[10:20] <Treenaks> FTTP: the what?
[10:20] <Treenaks> FTTP: ah ok
[10:20] <FTTP> agrajag thats what i did
[10:20] <Agrajag> I'm not that tired
[10:20] <FTTP> ill try it again
[10:20] <Treenaks> FTTP: isn't there a package for APC UPSs?
[10:20] <seek187> Oh were not talking about java anymore
[10:20] <FTTP> treenaks i got it from apc website
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: don't do that..
[10:21] <seek187> er
[10:21] <smo> Is there any way to make apt-get more verbose?  (in particular, it's telling me it can't satisfy build-dep mozilla-firefox, but no mention of what's missing)
[10:21] <FTTP> Exception in main class "JExpressLoader"
[10:21] <FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: get apcupsd from the archive
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: "Jexpressloader" sounds like it's java.. do you have java?
[10:21] <FTTP> yes
[10:21] <FTTP> i just installed that before
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: then you might have the wrong version. and also, use the apcupsd _package_ and not some tool from some website
[10:21] <seek187> FTTP, does the command which java show it?
[10:22] <seek187> 'which java'
[10:22] <FTTP> what command?
[10:22] <FTTP> oh
[10:22] <FTTP> which java command
[10:22] <Treenaks> FTTP: no nono
[10:22] <Treenaks> FTTP: type "which java" on a command line
[10:22] <Treenaks> FTTP: then press ENTER
[10:22] <FTTP> /usr/bin/java
[10:22] <FTTP> yep
[10:22] <seek187> ok
[10:23] <FTTP> so whats with the java error?

[10:24] <FTTP> see thats the thing about debian
[10:24] <Treenaks> FTTP: we don't know. use the package instead of some crappy piece of software from the manufacturer
[10:24] <FTTP> treenaks ok how do i install it?
[10:24] <FTTP> ill try that one
[10:24] <FTTP> the manufacturer software is great tho
[10:24] <Agrajag> apt-get install apcupsd
[10:24] <Treenaks> FTTP: search for APC in synaptic
[10:24] <Agrajag> maybe?
[10:24] <Treenaks> or that
[10:24] <FTTP> it shows my power voltages and everything in graphs
[10:25] <Treenaks> FTTP: apcupsd logs those.. you can get cacti to make graphs for you
[10:27] <FTTP> treenaks no apcupsd in there
[10:27] <FTTP> :(
[10:27] <seek187> apcupsd is in universe
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: do you have universe enabled?
[10:27] <FTTP> nope
[10:27] <FTTP> how do i enable that?
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: do that then
[10:27] <wfx> im sorry but i sutdown the bonobo bot.
[10:27] <FTTP> whats the url  and the other part?
[10:27] <wfx> shutdown
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: just read /etc/apt/sources.list please
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: it contains instructions
[10:28] <seek187> FTTP,  are you in synaptic?
[10:28] <seek187> yeah do that
[10:28] <seek187> :P
[10:28] <FTTP> yes im in synaptic
[10:28] <FTTP> seek187 ok what do i add? :)
[10:28] <smo> they should already be entered in synaptic .. you just need to check them to enable them  (it understands comments .. very nice)
[10:28] <seek187> FTTP go to settings > repositories
[10:29] <seek187> and check the two greyed out repositories
[10:29] <FTTP> oops
[10:29] <FTTP> its there :)
[10:29] <seek187> now press reload after you do that
[10:29] <seek187> ok
[10:29] <FTTP> seek187 how do i remove that java?
[10:29] <FTTP> since its a bad version
[10:29] <FTTP> or can i?
[10:29] <seek187> How do you now it's bad?
[10:30] <FTTP> it wont work with the other app
[10:30] <FTTP> seek187:  One problem, my apc is usb
[10:30] <FTTP> the apc module for linux is serial
[10:30] <seek187> did you try installing that app with apt-get and not the factory one?
[10:30] <smo> I've a feeling my system is subtly hosed.  libgnome2-dev isn't installable in warty?
[10:31] <Treenaks> FTTP: it works for usb as well
[10:31] <Treenaks> FTTP: believe me, I tried
[10:31] <FTTP> treenaks ok
[10:31] <FTTP> installing apcupsd now
[10:32] <FTTP> where did the program add to?
[10:32] <Mayday> anyone know where to find xcompmgr och transet for hoary?
[10:32] <FTTP> treenaks i installed it but i dont see it
[10:32] <seek187>  http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/
[10:33] <Mayday> thanks
[10:33] <FTTP> do i need to relog for it?
[10:33] <Treenaks> FTTP: please be a bit clearer
[10:33] <Treenaks> FTTP: WHAT did you install and WHAT don't you see?
[10:33] <FTTP> treenaks:  do i need to log out of gnome?
[10:33] <FTTP> the apc app
[10:33] <FTTP> apcsd or whatever
[10:35] <Treenaks> FTTP: it's running. in the background.
[10:35] <FTTP> treenaks so how do i load it?
[10:35] <FTTP> i mean see it
[10:35] <Treenaks> FTTP: ps ax
[10:35] <FTTP> ps ax in terminal?
[10:35] <Treenaks> FTTP: or in the system tool thingy
[10:36] <Treenaks> FTTP: it's a deamon process. it runs in the background.
[10:36] <lil_anthony> anyone able to help me with a pci network card issue please? for some reason my pci nic suddenly refuses to work :( and when i go to networking to enable it it freezes then closes and its still disabled :(
[10:36] <Treenaks> FTTP: you might need to reconfigure it for your needs, there should be a configuration file in /etc/ somewhere
[10:36] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: what kind of nic
[10:36] <lil_anthony> 3c905b
[10:36] <FTTP> acpid?
[10:36] <lil_anthony> 3com
[10:36] <lil_anthony> it was working fine then all the sudden no go for launch
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: acpid != apcupsd
[10:37] <lil_anthony> after X crashed on me making me reboot :(
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[10:37] <FTTP> treenaks then its not running
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: it helps
[10:37] <FTTP> there is no apcupsd on that list
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: then you might need to configure it for your situation
[10:37] <smo> and /usr/share/doc/apcupsd/  .. there's a reason people take the time to write documentation
[10:38] <FTTP> smo all thats in there is copyright and changelogs
[10:39] <lil_anthony> any ideas tree?
[10:39] <FTTP> oh examples dir?
[10:40] <FTTP> night
[10:41] <smo> ahh, I finally managed to wade thru my own mess far enough to get this sorted.  I just discovered why repositories don't mix
[10:59] <Mayday> xcompmgr is just supposed to be run right? or do i need to add alot of cmdline flags to get it do its thing?
[11:05] <sladen> Mayday: xcompmgr is known buggy at the moment so is not started by default
[11:12] <stuNNed> Treenaks, ok so this sun 1.5 java does do nicely with java applets, thanks!
[11:14] <Treenaks> stuNNed: I told you :P
[11:15] <rsacherer> hello!! I am using ubuntu hoary and in gnome the nautilus filemanager and the file-open dialog are horrible slow, i notice if i start a app from console messages like 'could not connect to /tmp/fam-rsacherer' ...
[11:15] <stuNNed> rsacherer, you need to install ...
[11:16] <stuNNed> gamin
[11:17] <stuNNed> rsacherer, think that will fix, not really sure.
[11:17] <rsacherer> gamin? i install it
[11:18] <Gmail> rsacherer: do the following
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get update
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <Gmail> ooops
[11:18] <stuNNed> rsacherer, yes, gamin
[11:19] <Gmail> stuNNed: i ment you
[11:19] <rsacherer> hmmm, it seems gamin did the trick, once installed, it works like a charm :-)
[11:19] <stuNNed> rsacherer, new fam subprocess or something, not sure.
[11:19] <Gmail> stuNNed: if you don't have gamin install that means you don't have ubuntu-base install and you need it install if your using hoary
[11:20] <Gmail> rsacherer: its part of ubuntu-base
[11:20] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop, not ubuntu-base
[11:20] <rsacherer> Gmail, if i install ubuntu-desktop, it removes totem-gxine and installs totem-gstreamer, but IMO totem-gstreamer is buggy as hell, can i install totem-gxine after installing ubuntu-desktop? or has it dependencys-conflicts after that?
[11:21] <Treenaks> rsacherer: you can't have both installed at the same time.
[11:22] <Gmail> ubuntu-desktop just relies on stuff
[11:22] <Gmail> make sure you have everything else it relies on
[11:22] <bur[n] er> is anyone a crossover office user?
[11:22] <Gmail> no
[11:22] <bur[n] er> well damn
[11:22] <bur[n] er> ;)
[11:23] <rsacherer> are there any other packages which are NOT installed through a dist-upgrade when upgrading from warty to hoary which are essential for ubuntu?
[11:23] <Gmail> <<< is a gmail user thought
[11:23] <bur[n] er> <<< is a gmail user too
[11:23] <Gmail> <<< is a gmail user three
[11:23] <bur[n] er> encrypted pop via ssl, my pay-for email server doesn't have that
[11:23] <rsacherer> <<< is a gmail user also :-)
[11:24] <Gmail> <<< is a gmail addic
[11:24] <fabbione> ok please stop
[11:24] <fabbione> it's offtopic
[11:25] <bur[n] er> topic being?  hrm... i didn't order a cd
[11:26] <Gmail> smo: gmail supports pop3
[11:26] <stuNNed> question: will ubuntu ever have novell linux desktop open office fonts and document filters?
[11:26] <Gmail> stuNNed: ubuntu is not novell
[11:26] <Gmail> novell make there own distroS
[11:27] <stuNNed> wonder if they will f/oss it.
[11:27] <Gmail> its oss
[11:27] <Gmail> you pay for the binary form
[11:27] <Gmail> and you get support included
[11:28] <scaroo> stuNNed, the shiped OO has already the patches from ximian, for the fonts i dunno
[11:28] <topyli> fonts can have the strangest licenses
[11:29] <stuNNed> scaroo, think ximian will continue to release patches now that they are part of novell?
[11:29] <xukun> hi
[11:29] <Gmail> hi
[11:30] <topyli> stuNNed: why not? ximian seems more open than ever now :)
[11:30] <scaroo> stuNNed, yep, the OOO licence force them to, and dont forget that ximian guys are goooood guys :)
[11:30] <scaroo> http://ooo.ximian.com/
[11:30] <scaroo> see url above
[11:30] <xukun> ist worth to compile my own kernel for ubuntu?
[11:31] <Gmail> no
[11:31] <Gmail> the ubuntu kernel is better than a home made one
[11:31] <scaroo> xukun, no if your hw is supported by the vanilla one
[11:32] <stuNNed> scaroo, i need piix kernel support to be built into kernel and not as module, will that mess up ide_core, libata and the like modules?
[11:32] <Gmail> the ubuntu kernel is not a vinilla one
[11:32] <Gmail> its a debian + ubuntu one
[11:33] <scaroo> Gmail, by vanilla i d though ubuntu defalut
[11:33] <stuNNed> topyli, scaroo: there is OpenOffice_org-1.1.3-0.15.src.rpm on novell's ftp site! :D
[11:33] <scaroo> stuNNed, i realle dunno about the piix support, sorry
[11:34] <stuNNed> scaroo, logically speaking though, as long as the support is there in the kernel, built in or not, then corresponding modules should load right?  or just build all associated into kernel maybe...
[11:38] <Kamion> (sed fixed)
[11:38] <scaroo> :D
[11:38] <scaroo> what was the issue with its infopage ?
[11:39] <Kamion> just a build issue
[11:40] <Kamion> some old .info files were lying around in the source package and confused matters
[11:40] <stuNNed> how do i list files in a .deb that is not installed?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: you need to install apt-file  ( and run apt-file update)
[11:42] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, thanks mate
[11:42] <thoreauputic> themn you can do for instance apt-file search foobar to find files in that package
[11:42] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, actually, the file isn't from hoary/warty
[11:43] <stuNNed> does this matter?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> as long as it's from the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list I think apt-file should work
[11:44] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, talking about a rogue .deb file really
[11:44] <thoreauputic> but I'm on debian so I can't be certain ( can't see why not though)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> rogue?
[11:44] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, a deb generated from alien actually
[11:44] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[11:45] <thoreauputic> well if you have the rpm you can look at its contenets in midnight commander
[11:45] <thoreauputic> *contents
[11:45] <scaroo> dpkg-deb -c *.deb
[11:46] <thoreauputic> scaroo: is that to see a *.deb's contents?
[11:46] <scaroo> from the man, it seems to, but i never used that :)
[11:46] <Kamion> yes, it is
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Kamion: thanks :)
[11:47] <stuNNed> scaroo, yes, that's what i was looking for, thanks, and thanks thoreauputic
[11:47] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: you're welcome
[11:48] <scaroo> stuNNed, np, dont forget to share your OOO bianries ;)
[11:48] <stuNNed> scaroo, will do, will do :)
[11:48] <stuNNed> scaroo, i have new industrial theme, courtesy of another #ubuntu user, if you like
[11:51] <scaroo> stuNNed, what has changed in industrial ?
[11:52] <stuNNed> if i use alien with no arguments to convert a .tar.gz that is meant to be unzipped at / would that work?
[11:52] <stuNNed> scaroo, well, a few things, an overhaul i guess, icons...titlebar color, slight change in border color
[11:53] <scaroo> stuNNed, is it still so bright ?
[11:53] <scaroo> i found indubstrial, easier on the eyes
[11:53] <scaroo> s/found/find/
[11:54] <stuNNed> scaroo, the borders are a little darker, titlebar is a little darker, icons lighter maybe? one sec i'll put up a screenshot
[11:56] <Gmail> Kamion: if sed is fixed we can add what i took out
[11:56] <Kano> hi
[11:56] <Kano> can someone give me the result of:
[11:57] <Kano> dpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions
[11:57] <scaroo> scaroo@trantor ~/Doom 3 $ dpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions
[11:57] <scaroo> lsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions
[11:57] <stuNNed> how to test run a deb file to see where it installs?
[11:58] <Kano> hmm a different package than in sid
[11:59] <Kano> dpkg -S $(which log_begin_msg)
[11:59] <Kano> and that
[11:59] <Gmail> --- Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[11:59] <Gmail> that is unfair
[11:59] <hbos> great, the request password function of the wiki is broken
[12:00] <Gmail> don't force me to talk offtopic here
[12:00] <topyli> Gmail: congrats, you've probably managed to be off topic in there :)
[12:00] <topyli> talking about ubuntu or something
[12:01] <daniels> Gmail: you were banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for flooding the channel with ascii art
[12:01] <daniels> Gmail: may I suggest #offtopic for all your off-topic needs?
[12:01] <stuNNed> scaroo, http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/ubuntu_images/new_industrial.png <-new ximian industrial theme (Industrial-Steel) ?
[12:03] <topyli> stuNNed: hmm. that doesn't hurt as much as the old industrial
[12:03] <topyli> the icons are better
[12:04] <scaroo> stuNNed, really subtle changes , but i sure like the new icons theme :)
[12:04] <stuNNed> topyli, i'm testing a .deb package now...
[12:04] <stuNNed> scaroo, you too :)
[12:05] <topyli> stuNNed: if it works, you must upload it for all the children of the world so we can test :)
[12:06] <Gmail> daniels: doing /exec -o figlet i love ubuntu
[12:06] <Gmail> is not offtopic
[12:06] <Treenaks> Gmail: it is annyoing though
[12:07] <daniels> Gmail: it's enough to justify a ban
[12:07] <stuNNed> okay i did dpkg -c industrial-foo.deb and i get a line like:
[12:07] <topyli> Gmail: you need to start #ubuntu-offtopic-flood :)
[12:07] <stuNNed> -rw-r--r-- root/root       192 2004-11-18 04:52:20 ./usr/share/doc/industrial-steel/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:08] <stuNNed> does the beginning ./ after date mean it will be installed at / ?
[12:08] <stuNNed> i think so but unsure
[12:09] <plovs_work> how do i unmount my usb-filesystem? it says it is in use even if dnus is not running
[12:09] <scaroo> stuNNed, i dunno in this particular case but ./ is the cwd (current working directory) but maybe here the ./ is relative to a debian specific path wich may have the value of "/"
[12:10] <topyli> stuNNed: dunno, to me it looks like it'll be installed in . (working dir)
[12:10] <lil_anthony> can someone help me in getting my nic to get the dhcp assigned address please?
[12:11] <plovs_work> pitti, how do i unmount my usb-filesystem? it says it is in use even if dbus is not stopped
[12:11] <scaroo> lil_anthony, dont ask to ask :)
[12:11] <Gmail> topyli: started
[12:11] <scaroo> lil_anthony, go on
[12:11] <topyli> hehe
[12:11] <pitti> plovs: this is caused by FAM
[12:12] <pitti> plovs: we will replace fam with something sensible in hoary
[12:12] <pitti> plovs_work: ^^
[12:12] <lil_anthony> well i don't know what to ask other than it doesn't work as in try to enable the pci to get an address and it doens't get the address
[12:12] <lil_anthony> the card is detected but no internet
[12:12] <pitti> plovs_work: you can log out and back in if that is possible
[12:12] <stuNNed> dang, how to edit a .deb?
[12:12] <pitti> plovs_work: otherwise, just do "sync", wait a bit and rip it out
[12:12] <scaroo> lil_anthony, try sudo dhclient
[12:12] <plovs_work> pitti, thanks (duh), i'm trying to make a bootable usb and it's a pain
[12:12] <trey`> stuNNed: man dpkg-deb  :)
[12:13] <lil_anthony> ok hang on ahdn thanks
[12:13] <stuNNed> trey`, thanks mate
[12:13] <plovs_work> pitti, umounts now
[12:13] <Gmail> /join #ubuntu-offtopic-flood
[12:14] <scaroo> pfff
[12:14] <lil_anthony> says no dhcpoffers received
[12:15] <scaroo> ok, tell us more about your network, and how it it connected to the net
[12:15] <scaroo> directly with pppoe ? or have you got a gateway ?
[12:15] <lil_anthony> cable modem from a coax to the modem then from modem have cat5 cable to a network card
[12:16] <lil_anthony> not ppoe i'm on cable not dsl
[12:16] <trey`> lil_anthony: stupid question, but you are sure your Cable provider isn't in an outage or anything?
[12:16] <lil_anthony> checked it on my windows bos
[12:16] <stuNNed> whoa, the way man2html is set up in ubuntu is mint
[12:17] <lil_anthony> can check again just to make total sure but it all happened after i tried to get my isa card to work
[12:17] <lil_anthony> i got it working started using kudzu
[12:17] <lil_anthony> found out there was a bug with kudzu so i uninstalled it
[12:17] <lil_anthony> cards were still working both the pci and the isa
[12:17] <lil_anthony> and the gui crashed on me
[12:17] <lil_anthony> so i restarted
[12:18] <lil_anthony> and have no internet
[12:18] <trey`> lil_anthony: Debian usually uses Discover, Ubuntu will use Hotplug exclusively... Kudzu is for Red Hat  ;)
[12:18] <scaroo> what does ifconfig says ?
[12:18] <lil_anthony> hang on
[12:18] <lil_anthony> will try to type it
[12:18] <stuNNed> how does ubuntu allow for inheriting permissions of parent directory if file is placed in that dir
[12:19] <stuNNed> ?
[12:19] <lil_anthony> type it at pastebin or here?
[12:19] <scaroo> pastebin would be better
[12:19] <trey`> lil_anthony: not here... can try #flood or pastebin  :)
[12:19] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:19] <lil_anthony> anything specific your looking for? or you need it all
[12:19] <lil_anthony> cause thatsd alot of typin :)
[12:20] <trey`> lil_anthony: everything in the eth0 section is useful...
[12:20] <scaroo> aw, forgot that you couldn t cpy/paste :p
[12:20] <lil_anthony> yeah unfortunately
[12:20] <lil_anthony> ok i'll just type it
[12:21] <lil_anthony> take me a few mins
[12:22] <trey`> stuNNed: afaik, Unix based systems don't know about inherited permissions... permissions are set via umask etc...
[12:22] <scaroo> trey`, what about ACL ?
[12:23] <trey`> scaroo: could be mistaken, but ACL's aren't used by default afaik...
[12:23] <trey`> They are a new thing for 2.6... so aren't widely used yet  :(
[12:23] <Gmail> err
[12:23] <scaroo> yeah sure, but i think they solve this issue, no ?
[12:24] <Gmail> i terned on my fan and my montor became on shaky
[12:24] <trey`> scaroo: honestly never tried to play with ACL's on a Unix based system  :(
[12:24] <Gmail> the screen is shaking
[12:24] <scaroo> same here
[12:24] <scaroo> ^ trey
[12:24] <Gmail> the top panel is going on and off the screen
[12:24] <lil_anthony> http://www.pastebin.com/121024
[12:25] <scaroo> Gmail, mysterious electro magnetism :)
[12:25] <Gmail> lol
[12:26] <trey`> lil_anthony: that confirms you are not getting a DHCP response  :/   You should be able to use the same info as your current box...
[12:26] <trey`> Use Static, and set it up...
[12:27] <nanotech> anyone here know anything about clustering boxes?
[12:27] <scaroo> lil_anthony, try setting up static ip
[12:27] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:27] <lil_anthony> under networkinig right in manual?
[12:27] <scaroo> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> up
[12:27] <lil_anthony> oh ok
[12:27] <scaroo> replace <IP_ADDRESS> by your ip of course :)
[12:27] <lil_anthony> no gateway or anything like that?
[12:28] <scaroo> we ll see that later :)
[12:28] <trey`> lil_anthony: man ifconfig to see how to set that stuff... but I think the Networking GUI app can do it too...
[12:28] <lil_anthony> error while getting interface flags: NO such device
[12:28] <trey`> lil_anthony: ahh... modprobe (what we told you earlier)
[12:29] <lil_anthony> yeah modprobe with that io=0x300 irq=10 thing?
[12:29] <lil_anthony> that was for the isa
[12:29] <lil_anthony> i don't know it for the pci
[12:29] <lil_anthony> oh yeah i do
[12:29] <trey`> lil_anthony: ahh... different card? what is the module?
[12:29] <lil_anthony> 3c905b
[12:30] <lil_anthony> thats my pci
[12:30] <lil_anthony> the isa one works perfect
[12:30] <trey`> k, modprobe that... shouldn't be specific this time...
[12:30] <lil_anthony> but still no internet on it either
[12:30] <stuNNed> scaroo, topyli and others: just 'dirty hacked' the new ximian industrial-steel theme, here goes: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/debs/industrial-steel_1-2_all.deb there is md5sum of package in same url dir
[12:30] <topyli> stuNNed: whee! thanks
[12:30] <lil_anthony> module not found
[12:30] <trey`> drop the b
[12:31] <lil_anthony> still not found
[12:31] <xf_> stuNNed: screenshot?
[12:32] <trey`> lil_anthony: bah... modprobe 3c90x
[12:32] <stuNNed> xf_, sure http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/ubuntu_images/new_industrial.png
[12:32] <lil_anthony> not found
[12:33] <lil_anthony> i noticed it was never listed in /etc/modules
[12:33] <trey`> lil_anthony: http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/linuxdownload.htm   download there driver... should work on Ubuntu also...
[12:33] <Treenaks> trey`: no! ubuntu has working drivers.. don't just download stuff
[12:33] <trey`> Treenaks: care to enlighten us about the module then?
[12:34] <trey`> Treenaks: cuz everything I see about 3c905b is not loadable  :/
[12:34] <lil_anthony> the 2.2.12 one right?
[12:34] <Treenaks> trey`: what does it say whan you load it?
[12:34] <trey`> lil_anthony: Treenaks seems to think he knows of the module... hold on
[12:34] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:34] <Mabus> I've got two Ubuntu computers, and I want them to share passwd (using PAM ?). Are there any good documents/howtos/tutorials I can read?
[12:35] <trey`> Treenaks: "not found"...
[12:35] <Treenaks> trey`: exact message please
[12:35] <topyli> stuNNed: yep, looks good. had to force package though :)
[12:35] <Mabus> I also want them to share home-directories, but I'm guessing that's a simple fstab mount.
[12:35] <topyli> stuNNed: the icons are really cool
[12:35] <trey`> Treenaks: ask lil_anthony... idk...
[12:35] <Mabus> (across NFS)
[12:35] <lil_anthony> you want the message from the probe?
[12:35] <trey`> lil_anthony: Treenaks does, yes
[12:36] <topyli> stuNNed: it's brighter than indubstrial but doesn't hurt anymore :)
[12:36] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: the exact one, yes
[12:36] <stuNNed> topyli, sorry about that, my first try
[12:36] <lil_anthony> modeprobe 3c905b = FATAL: Module 3c905b not found.
[12:36] <stuNNed> topyli, why force?
[12:36] <lil_anthony> same applies exactly with name different if i use 3c90x
[12:36] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: isn't there a utility for DOS or something to force the card in plug & play mode?
[12:37] <lil_anthony> for the isa there is
[12:37] <topyli> stuNNed: i had industrial installed. industrial-steel overwrites the icons, and dpkg doesn't like to do that
[12:37] <lil_anthony> the pci one i don't know
[12:37] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: try "3c509" or "3c59x"
[12:37] <lil_anthony> cause i never had a problem with it
[12:37] <nanotech> anyone know if it's possilbe to cluster heterogenous networks of comps? Between osx, and other unix based kernals?
[12:38] <stuNNed> topyli, yes, i had similar, had to force as well from a previous .tar.gz file extracted to /
[12:38] <lil_anthony> that appears too have taken
[12:38] <trey`> nanotech: I've only set up Beowolf and OpenMosix clusters  :(
[12:38] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: type 'dmesg | tail' now
[12:38] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:38] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: see if it claims to have found something
[12:38] <topyli> stuNNed: a fix would be to make industrial-steel "upgrade" industrial but i don't think it's worth the work
[12:38] <lil_anthony> at a > prompt
[12:39] <nanotech> anyone? i've been trying to research this, but i've been running into ealls
[12:39] <nanotech> walls
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: at the prompt you just used to modprobe
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: if it worked, add the module that worked to /etc/modules
[12:39] <lil_anthony> thats what i'm saying when i typed it it changed the path to >
[12:39] <Kamion> topyli: just add Replaces: industrial to industrial-steel.deb
[12:39] <Treenaks> oh
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: oh.. type Ctrl+C then
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: and don't type the "'" around it :)
[12:40] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: so it should look like:  # dmesg | less
[12:40] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: (or $ dmesg | less)
[12:40] <lil_anthony> ok so type dmesg | less?
[12:40] <Treenaks> yes sir.
[12:40] <lil_anthony> ok with the now as well?
[12:41] <Treenaks> no wait
[12:41] <Treenaks> tail isntead of less
[12:41] <lil_anthony> aww ok
[12:41] <lil_anthony> i read your now as a command sorry
[12:41] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:41] <Treenaks> just type dmesg | tail<enter>
[12:41] <lil_anthony> i did ok i got it
[12:41] <satanOnTheBeach> ok, if i accidentally used a prerelease disk to install, after things update from the net, will it be the same? or flawed?
[12:41] <lil_anthony> what are you looking for cause i got a good bit of output
[12:42] <stuNNed> anyone know which file in the .deb sets preference of upgrade from another deb?
[12:42] <lil_anthony> eth1: 3c5x9 found at 0x220
[12:42] <satanOnTheBeach> know anything about a sony vaio pnp bios error? didn't seem to major
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: congratulations :)
[12:42] <lil_anthony> so modprobe io=0x220?
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: add the 3c5x9 to /etc/modules and it'll work (though it might not be eth1 on next boot.. so try rebooting first, then configure it)
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: no
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: it works now
[12:42] <satanOnTheBeach> and Hey... if anyone needs help with a pxe install.. I got that down...
[12:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: just add a line saying "3c5x9" to the end of /etc/modules
[12:43] <lil_anthony> ok hang on
[12:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: then it'll work after you reboot as well..
[12:44] <lil_anthony> now reboot?
[12:44] <lil_anthony> or modprobe 3x5x9?
[12:45] <lil_anthony> or should i reboot?
[12:45] <trey`> lil_anthony: reboot...
[12:45] <bungle> is it easy to install ??
[12:45] <trey`> lil_anthony: 3x5x9 is not a module...
[12:45] <trey`> bungle: very....
[12:46] <trey`> bungle: Takes about 20 mins to have a fully functional system...
[12:46] <lil_anthony> hope this works i been up all night trying to figure it out
[12:46] <bungle> ibook
[12:46] <bungle> g3
[12:46] <lil_anthony> thanks :)
[12:47] <nimc> how can i reset the internet connection without rebooting (because my cable modem disconnects sometimes) ?
[12:47] <trey`> nimc: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:47] <nimc> cool... thanks
[12:48] <stuNNed> is there synaptic like frontend to creating .deb packages?
[12:48] <trey`> stuNNed: afaik, no  :(
[12:49] <lil_anthony> hanging on configure network interfaces so i know it didn't detect it
[12:49] <trey`> bungle: thats hardly the easy way out... Mandrake is a pita imo...
[12:49] <bungle> cause the previous owner of this ibook wrecked it trying to install all windows stuff & deleting system files n stuff
[12:49] <bungle> one last question
[12:50] <bungle> wtf is the button on the bottom of this machine for
[12:50] <lil_anthony> any other suggestions :(
[12:50] <trey`> lil_anthony: ctrl+c... probably wrong module...
[12:50] <lil_anthony> i think 3c5x is for the isa serious
[12:50] <lil_anthony> but i wasn't gonna say anything
[12:50] <trey`> bungle: hit it, see what happens  :)
[12:50] <stuNNed> trey`, do you know how to set an .deb as an upgrade to another .deb?
[12:50] <lil_anthony> cause i don't know
[12:50] <trey`> stuNNed: just set the version higher  ;)
[12:51] <lil_anthony> i'm back in gnome awaiting your command master :)
[12:51] <bungle> it has 3 little lights
[12:51] <trey`> bungle: does nothing when you hit it?
[12:51] <bungle> it's not the on button I found it
[12:51] <bungle> ... um it makes a tune
[12:52] <trey`> lil_anthony: search google for what lsmod says about your NIC...
[12:52] <trey`> append with a linux though, makes searching easier  :)
[12:52] <stuNNed> trey`, in the 'control' file or?
[12:52] <bungle> it's a white g3 ibook with a button on the bottom
[12:53] <trey`> stuNNed: yes... should be seen as a newer version just by the way you name the .deb though...
[12:53] <lil_anthony> this blows :( the damn thing worked before i rebooted
[12:53] <trey`> stuNNed: for instance... *ubuntu2 is an upgrade of *ubuntu1 to apt etc...
[12:53] <stuNNed> trey`, ah ok, i'm not sure if industrial-steel is variant of industrial or replacement
[12:54] <bungle> lmfao
[12:54] <Kamion> stuNNed: doesn't work like trey` described if the package name is different
[12:54] <bungle> i believe its the hdd
[12:54] <bungle> lol
[12:54] <Kamion> stuNNed: what exactly do you mean by "upgrade"? define terms carefully
[12:54] <bungle> it just fell out
[12:54] <bungle> no nol the battery
[12:54] <Kamion> stuNNed: what you described earlier on sounded like a straightforward "Replaces: industrial"
[12:54] <lil_anthony> would running the installation disk again fix it?
[12:55] <stuNNed> Kamion, if one wants to switch from old ximian industrial theme to newer ximian industrial-steel theme...
[12:55] <trey`> Kamion: he wants the system to replace industrial with industrial-steel...
[12:55] <stuNNed> Kamion, ah ok in 'control' file?
[12:55] <Kamion> stuNNed: you don't want to make the old industrial package unusable though
[12:55] <Kamion> stuNNed: why do you need to install files with the same name as industrial?
[12:56] <Kamion> stuNNed: why not just name all the files differently so you don't have any file conflicts at all?
[12:56] <Kamion> stuNNed: then you don't need any magic in debian/control at all and as a bonus everything probably works better
[12:57] <stuNNed> Kamion, i'm not sure if 'industrial-steel' is a replacement to old industrial, should i find that out first or?
[12:57] <bungle> when I put ubuntu in the cdrom .. how do I boot it up
[12:57] <bungle> like on a pc you would just boot off the cd
[12:57] <Kamion> stuNNed: yes, definitely
[12:57] <bungle> doe it do the same
[12:57] <Kamion> stuNNed: I don't think it should be
[12:57] <Kamion> bungle: yes
[12:57] <trey`> bungle: it should... although I have heard of it being more complicated...
[12:57] <Kamion> bungle: oh, sorry, mac
[12:58] <Kamion> bungle: hold down c at boot time.
[12:58] <bungle> ok
[12:58] <Kamion> bungle: see the Ubuntu website, I wrote directions on this and put them up there
[12:58] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok then :)
[12:58] <Kamion> look for the installation howto
[12:58] <bungle> Kamion can I burn cd's easily with it
[12:58] <bungle> or command line
[12:58] <Kamion> bungle: I don't know if the ibook g3 has a CD writer? works for me on my powerbook g4 though
[12:59] <bungle> hey how do I find out if this is a g3 or g4
[12:59] <bungle> they just said to me it was a g3 when they handed it over
[12:59] <Kamion> bungle: in Linux, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:59] <bungle>  no no
[12:59] <bungle> it still has os x 10.2.3 on it
[01:00] <Kamion> isn't there a system stats thing somewhere? I'm sure I saw it but I haven't run OS X in ages
[01:00] <trey`> bungle: the apple "about this mac" thingy should tell you?
[01:00] <bungle> ok i am looking
[01:00] <Kamion> anyway G3/G4 is just the processor, it's not necessarily relevant to whether or not you have a CD writer
[01:00] <bungle> how do I find out what the cdrom thing is
[01:01] <trey`> Says very basic info... like RAM and processor afaik...
[01:01] <bungle> yeah]
[01:01] <bungle> lol I sound so stupid but I haven't used a mac since I was in grade 4
[01:01] <bungle> that was like 16yr ago
[01:01] <bungle> more even
[01:02] <trey`> bungle: its ok  :)   should have gotten more info from the previous owner though  ;)
[01:02] <bungle> lol it's previous owners didn't know anything about it
[01:02] <bungle> they got me & my b/f to fix them up a windows machine
[01:02] <bungle> my b/f swapped his fish tank for it
[01:03] <bungle> n gave it to me for my b'day
[01:03] <trey`> They suck @ life  :P   should have kept OS X, so much better then Windoze  :)
[01:04] <bungle> ppc g3'
[01:04] <bungle> 256 mem
[01:04] <bungle> 800mhz
[01:04] <trey`> bungle: cool  :)   still doesn't tell us if you have a burner though  :(
[01:04] <bungle> cdrw/dvdrom
[01:05] <trey`> ahh... yay... k... there is a special > burn cd I think... go get the ISO for PPC, and use that  :)
[01:05] <bungle> Iwoo I can watch dvds on it
[01:05] <bungle> how exciting
[01:05] <trey`> bungle: ;)
[01:06] <bungle> lmfao .. my kid stomped on the dvdplayer now it can't spin the dvd
[01:06] <bungle> so we are down to our ps2
[01:06] <trey`> bungle: thats not so bad... I used an Xbox as the household DVD for 18 months of college  :)
[01:06] <bungle> tah I will b back once i stuff up :P
[01:07] <bungle> lol our xbox died
[01:07] <bungle> we got given the ps2 as a swap for some ripped dvds
[01:07] <cardador> anyone can tell me an antivirus for linux? ive got a shared folder in a windows network, and some virus files keep getting in.
[01:07] <trey`> Xbox's don't skip as much on scratched DVD's  :)
[01:07] <bungle> although pirating is illegal
[01:07] <bungle> dont do it at home :P
[01:07] <trey`> cardador: apt-cache search anti virus...
[01:08] <trey`> clamav is the most popular I think...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> cardador: clam-av , ntivir...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> *antivir
[01:08] <cardador> thoreauputic: which one is the best?
[01:08] <trey`> cardador: most like clamav or amavis...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> cardador: I have no idea - I only run linux so I don't need them
[01:09] <trey`> clamav being the most popular like I said...
[01:09] <thoreauputic> trey`: yes sorry amavis
[01:09] <cardador> trey` and thoreauputic: thanks
[01:09] <bungle> night night
[01:09] <trey`> bungle: night  :)
[01:13] <Gaaruto> what's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse" please ?
[01:13] <mjr> multiverse is non-free stuff
[01:14] <Gaaruto> can i add "universe" and "multiverse" in the sources.list without problem ?
[01:14] <Treenaks> Gaaruto: universe packages are all "free", multiverse packages are not free (there may be specific terms for redistribution, for example)
[01:14] <Treenaks> Gaaruto: yes, you can
[01:15] <Gaaruto> ok
[01:15] <Gaaruto> thals
[01:15] <Gaaruto> thanks
[01:15] <lulu> Gaaruto: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ for more info...
[01:15] <Gaaruto> ok i read this
[01:21] <lil_anthony> you know i don't think its either one of the cards really giving the problem ithink my dhcpclient is jacked. cause i just tried the otehr card and it does the same thing
[01:21] <zbrox> can anybody here tell me where to get the ubuntu specific gettext .po files, and how to be added to the translators list? cause there's no answer from the translators maillist
[01:21] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: did you reboot after adding the module name to /etc/modules ?
[01:22] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: then maybe eth0 and eth1 got reversed
[01:22] <lil_anthony> possible
[01:22] <lil_anthony> all i see is eth0
[01:22] <lil_anthony> when i look in networking
[01:22] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: try 'ifconfig -a'
[01:23] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: on the command line
[01:23] <lil_anthony> ok
[01:23] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: it should show you more
[01:23] <stuNNed> Kamion, so rename the files with something like sed?
[01:23] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: if it has 'eth1', try adding a connection for eth1 in the network tool
[01:23] <lil_anthony> yep its only shoing eth0
[01:23] <lil_anthony> and the one i assigned is eth1
[01:23] <lil_anthony> but the ifconfig-a shows both
[01:24] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: ok.. but you can say 'Add new connection' in the network tool
[01:24] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: and then select eth1 -- I'm sure of that
[01:24] <lil_anthony> ok let me try
[01:26] <lil_anthony> network settings gui is froze so i guess its trying
[01:26] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: uh.. it froze?
[01:26] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: what did you click?
[01:27] <lil_anthony> i clicked add
[01:27] <lil_anthony> then i put in the ip like you stated earlier
[01:27] <lil_anthony> and hit ok
[01:27] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you didn't select 'eth1' ?
[01:27] <lil_anthony> thats not an option
[01:27] <lil_anthony> but it made eth1
[01:27] <Treenaks> ?
[01:27] <Treenaks> ah ok
[01:27] <lil_anthony> i see 2 listing now
[01:27] <Treenaks> ok
[01:27] <lil_anthony> eth0 and eth1
[01:28] <lil_anthony> i can't activate either
[01:28] <Treenaks> now you can edit each one separately..
[01:28] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: well, your cable might be broken.. or your DHCP server is down.. or you didn't enter a valid IP
[01:28] <lil_anthony> negitive to all three
[01:28] <lil_anthony> cause i just tested it
[01:28] <Treenaks> (hm, Ubuntu needs a Gnome log file reader..)
[01:28] <lil_anthony> it works fine
[01:28] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: ok.. that's good then
[01:29] <lil_anthony> windows loves me
[01:29] <lil_anthony> linux hates me
[01:29] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: software neither loves nor hates
[01:29] <lil_anthony> fair enought it pisses me off
[01:29] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you just have to treat it differently :)
[01:29] <lil_anthony> hows that :)
[01:30] <lil_anthony> i think it all screwed up with kudzu
[01:30] <lil_anthony> i think it screwed the driver or something
[01:30] <lil_anthony> or the dhcpclient or something
[01:30] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: kudzu is Red hat
[01:30] <lil_anthony> understood
[01:30] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you don't need it in ubuntu
[01:30] <lil_anthony> ok i undrestand now
[01:30] <lil_anthony> but i did install it
[01:30] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: so yes, it might have broken stuff..
[01:30] <lil_anthony> and ran it
[01:31] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: didn't it warn you?
[01:31] <lil_anthony> nope
[01:31] <lil_anthony> its even in the synaptic
[01:31] <lil_anthony> so maybe i need the driver?
[01:31] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: maybe it works better for some people, but those people generally know it
[01:32] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: You just loaded the driver
[01:32] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: (module)
[01:32] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: using modprobe
[01:32] <lil_anthony> thought you said it might not be the right one
[01:32] <lil_anthony> it just doesn't activate for some reason
[01:33] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: did you remove kudzu again?
[01:33] <lil_anthony> yeah i did a apt-get remove kudzu
[01:33] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: ok
[01:33] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: did you reboot after that?
[01:34] <lil_anthony> of course
[01:34] <lil_anthony> i have rebooted about 20 times now
[01:34] <lil_anthony> i thnk i'm using windows :)
[01:34] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: if ifconfig -a shows it, it works fine
[01:34] <lil_anthony> then its the dhcpclient thats jacked
[01:34] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: no. don't assume things if you don't know anything about it.
[01:35] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: type 'dmesg' again
[01:35] <stuNNed> how do i access mit's pgp server via commandline, i.e: to access pgp.com's one just ldap://certserver.pgp.com
[01:35] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: does it say "NETDEV WATCHDOG" stuff?
[01:35] <lil_anthony> let me look
[01:36] <lil_anthony> don't see the watchdogs at all
[01:37] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: then your network cards work fine
[01:37] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you should be able to configure if they use DHCP, etc. in the network configuration panel
[01:38] <lil_anthony> aww
[01:38] <lil_anthony> that module you gave me
[01:38] <lil_anthony> 3c5x9
[01:38] <lil_anthony> according to that output it shoudl be 3c59x
[01:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: which output?
[01:39] <lil_anthony> the output we just did the dmesg one
[01:39] <lil_anthony> one is 3c5x9 for eith1
[01:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: can you please copy entire messages
[01:39] <lil_anthony> not really
[01:39] <lil_anthony> i can type it :(
[01:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: type it here then
[01:40] <lil_anthony> its long but hwere is what i'm refering to
[01:40] <lil_anthony> PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 0000:00:07.2
[01:41] <lil_anthony> 3x59x: Donald Becker and others.  www.scyd.com/network/vortex.html 0000:00:10.0:  3com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100BaseTX at 0x1400. Vers LK1.1.19
[01:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: well, that driver gets loaded.. but that's not the ISA 0x220 card
[01:43] <labanux> could someone help me about what should I install so I can run PHP on Ubuntu?
[01:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: enable the 'universe' repository
[01:43] <labanux> i've install thttpd and apache
[01:43] <lil_anthony> its enabled but how am i gonna download if i have no connection?
[01:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: thttpd is not necessary.. just install libapache2-mod-php4 or something
[01:44] <labanux> i've install thttpd and apache, but i still can't run a PHP script in mys Ubunt...............
[01:44] <flevour> hi all
[01:45] <labanux> what should we install actually? thttpd or apache?
[01:45] <labanux> and what's the differenet?
[01:45] <flevour> does anybody know how to automatically set a translucency value for all windows that get opened in xorg?
[01:47] <ermo> labanux, the feature set?
[01:47] <ermo> labanux, thttpd is a simple daemon. Apache is modular and can thus be whatever you want it to be?
[01:48] <ermo> labanux, thttpd might server static content faster than apache, though.
[01:48] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: install the 'libapache2-mod-php4' package, and apache2, and remoev thttpd and apache
[01:48] <mjr> ...not that it matters much how fast static content is serverd, as it's bound to be good enough in most cases anyway
[01:48] <ermo> mjr, so true.
[01:50] <Kano> hi
[01:51] <Kano> is xcompmgr and transset in ubuntu?
[01:51] <Tsjoklat> hoary has it doesn't it
[01:51] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you need some of daniels' magic
[01:52] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: daniel's magic?
[01:52] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: daniels's magic
[01:52] <trey`> Kano: no, neither are in Hoary yet  :(
[01:52] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: daniel's magic....
[01:53] <Tsjoklat> trey: hey
[01:53] <Kano> trey`: i am just testing a fresh compiled x.org on standard debian sid
[01:53] <trey`> Tsjoklat: sup  8)
[01:53] <Kano> from ubuntu sources
[01:53] <Kano> and want to try the special tools for it
[01:53] <Tsjoklat> trey: trying to figure out what daniel's magic is... I hope it is some sort of stiff drink
[01:54] <trey`> Kano: fun... add this to xorg.conf:
[01:54] <trey`> Section "Extensions"
[01:54] <trey`> Option "Composite" "Enabled"
[01:54] <trey`> EndSection
[01:54] <Despair> I'm getting `ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619` at the end of `make bzImage` on various kernels. It seems to make a bzImage anyways, but they wont boot. Anyone hit anything similar on ubuntu amd64?
[01:54] <Kano> trey`: i know that extension,but i need the tools...
[01:54] <wood1> Can anyone help me get my Internal Winmodem to work in Ubuntu ?
[01:55] <Tsjoklat> isn't there a special wiki page for that? that winmodem?
[01:55] <Kano> wood1: if it is intel you need sl-modem drivers
[01:55] <trey`> wood1: http://www.linmodems.org/
[01:55] <wood1> Well It is a HSF Chipset WinModem
[01:57] <Kano> wood1: www.linuxant.com
[01:57] <stuNNed> wood1, you might need to compile piix into the kernel not as a module, linuxant recommended, haven't tried yet
[01:58] <wood1> No not yet, stuNNed
[01:58] <wood1> I am just going to the www.linmodems.org page
[02:06] <labanux> ermo: i'm sorry i still can't understand..........
[02:07] <labanux> ermo: so i should choose one of them, apache or thttpd
[02:07] <labanux> ermo: but i don't need to install both..??
[02:07] <labanux> ermo: and what's the different?
[02:07] <ermo> labanux, yes. And choose apache. unless you only need to run static html pages or cgi-programs.
[02:08] <mjr> also, I'd say that if you don't know better, install apache.
[02:08] <ermo> labanux, take a look at http://httpd.apache.org/
[02:09] <ermo> labanux, it'll tell you what you need to know.
[02:10] <ermo> labanux, then, check http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
[02:10] <labanux> ermo: ok whait a minute .., i'll read it first..
[02:11] <ermo> labanux, btw, why didn't you google for apache and/or thttpd yourself before asking?
[02:12] <labanux> ermo: cause, before this i've use Fedora 2, and there's httpd on Fedora, and it can run PHP
[02:12] <ermo> labanux, I see...
[02:12] <labanux> ermo: but when i'm looking for httpd on packages.debian.org i can't find it
[02:13] <ermo> labanux, oh. That's probably because httpd _is_ apache. But that isn't too obvious.
[02:13] <fissy> hi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)
[02:13] <ermo> labanux, so, you were unsure whether 'httpd' mean 'thttpd' or apache? Ok. Well, it is apache.
[02:14] <ermo> s/mean/meant
[02:14] <ermo> labanux, hope that clears it up.
[02:15] <mario> maybe somebody have Flumotion packages?
[02:16] <carlos> mario: jdub was working on it
[02:17] <revlob> Excuse me, is there a list anywhere of lines I should put in my sources.list?
[02:17] <mario> carlos, thanks, then I will wait :)
[02:17] <labanux> ermo : that's make me a little confused
[02:17] <mojo_> I saw a error msg when installing gnome-applet-data, something about 'cant find the scheme '<special character>' .."
[02:19] <labanux> ermo: i've apt-get install apache, but then i do apt-get install apache
[02:19] <labanux> ermo: but when i put my web file on /var/www (and it uses PHP).., they can't run
[02:20] <labanux> meanwhile i've run thttpd and mysql
[02:20] <ermo> labanux, you need to install the php4 module
[02:20] <labanux> ermo: so from your explanation , is it mean that if we install thttpd it means we install apache to?
[02:20] <revlob> I'm try to upgrade from a pre-release version of Ubuntu to whatever is freshest, and I'm not sure how to do it
[02:21] <ermo> labanux, no, I wouldn't think so
[02:21] <labanux> ermo: so we just need to install one of them?
[02:22] <ermo> labanux, yes. Apache. And the proper php4 modules.
[02:22] <ermo> labanux, I would suspect that there are plenty of tutorials and howto's on how to set it up. Have you tried php.net, for instance?
[02:23] <ermo> labanux, or httpd.apache.org ?
[02:23] <labanux> ermo: mm.., I haven't yet actually
[02:24] <labanux> ermo: cause when I use Fedora it wasn't a problem, everything is has been set up..  :)
[02:25] <ermo> labanux, I see...
[02:26] <ermo> labanux, may i /query?
[02:27] <georgia> anyone cre to hazard a guess as to why i cant get an hfsplus partition to mount read write? osx sees it as ok, and i've run fsck under that several times, but i cant get any linux tool to check the partition
[02:29] <labanux> ermo; query? yeah...
[02:29] <mojo_> excuse me
[02:29] <georgia> runing mount with the toptions "-o remount,rw" makes no difference, it's still read only
[02:29] <mojo_> I need some help on installing Java
[02:30] <mojo_> are there any built Debian package for j2sdk 1.5?/
[02:30] <Kamion> georgia: you are mounting -t hfsplus, aren't you? trying to autodetect will probably give you hfs
[02:30] <labanux> mojo_: you can use apt-get install freejava-sdk
[02:30] <Treenaks> mojo_: yes
[02:30] <Treenaks> mojo_: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[02:31] <georgia> Kamion: yep
[02:31] <mojo_> Treenaks: is it offcial build from Debian?
[02:31] <labanux> mojo_: sorry , I mean apt-get install free-java-sdk
[02:32] <Treenaks> mojo_: no, not official.
[02:32] <labanux> mojo_ : it works on my Ubuntu
[02:32] <Treenaks> mos|ghost: but it works fine
[02:32] <mos|ghost> ?
[02:32] <Treenaks> but he's gone already
[02:32] <Treenaks> sorry, I meant mojo
[02:32] <mos|ghost> ah
[02:32] <georgia> i've been trying everythign i can think of for several hours now, nothing i do will amke it read write
[02:34] <georgia> the error that shows up in the logs is "HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  leaving read-only."
[02:43] <knewt> not that i'm any rush or anything, just curious, but is there an idea of at what point hoary will be stable enough to upgrade to? 1 month before release, less, more?
[02:43] <Despair> "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0"
[02:43] <Kamion> depends on your level of confidence/competence
[02:46] <knewt> started using warty at the very end of september, and didn't have any noticeable issues, so i guess 1/1.5 months before release would be reasonable
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> sit still mojo_
[02:59] <Tsjoklat> georgia.. did you try the wiki pages? the forum?
[03:00] <georgia> Tsjoklat: not tried the forum or the wiki, but a week and a half worth of various google searches hasnt shown up anything useful
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> I would give the wike a go georgia... and if you really can't find an answer... post something on the forum... there is bout to be somebody that can help
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> you may be asking your question in here at the wrong time (time zones and what not)
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> and the person that might be able to help you is not here
[03:03] <Kamion> the mailing lists would be a better bet than the forums; more developers read the lists
[03:05] <bagpuss> thanks for the (very nice) CDs :)
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> hey mercurus
[03:15] <mojo_> Tjsoklat: hi man
[03:16] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you're a man now? :P
[03:17] <zenwhen> hello ubuntites
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ always insist on calling me man Treenaks
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> even though he knows I am not one of those
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen
[03:18] <zenwhen> Everybody ok this morning?
[03:18] <kensai> evrything A O K
[03:18] <Gaaruto> morning ?
[03:19] <Gaaruto> pm :)
[03:19] <kensai> is 10 30 am here
[03:19] <Gaaruto> 3 pm :)
[03:19] <zenwhen> well its always morning somwhere, sweetcheeks.
[03:19] <Tsjoklat> 06.00 here
[03:19] <ermo> 25.61 here
[03:19] <Gaaruto> where do you come from ?
[03:19] <Gaaruto> lol ermo
[03:19] <zenwhen> Kentucky, USA
[03:20] <Gaaruto> Paris, France
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> I hope you find help georgia
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> and sorry for not being able to help
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> btw.. zenwhen do you know anything about partitions?
[03:21] <kensai> ;)
[03:21] <Gaaruto> :)
[03:21] <zenwhen> Yeah, what was the issue?
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> kensai you mean.. you tell you are from PR and then hide
[03:21] <kensai> LOL
[03:22] <kensai> Puerto Rico is gentoo territory
[03:22] <ermo> I'm from ... slightly off the beaten path and then left.
[03:22] <kensai> but I have Ubuntu now
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> georgia is having problems with her hfs partition
[03:22] <kensai> ermo, I've visited there
[03:23] <fissy> hi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)
[03:23] <zenwhen> HFS? I know about partitions, but I havent touched a Mac since high school.
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> which was only two weeks ago zenwhen :P
[03:23] <zenwhen> :P try two years
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> well whatever!
[03:24] <zenwhen> ;-;
[03:25] <Ng> fissy: does it work if you run "sftp other.ubuntu.machine" in a terminal?
[03:25] <TeRanEX> is it possible to use the Windows Bootmanager when i instal ubuntu on a computer with already Win XP?
[03:25] <zenwhen> TeRanEX, yes
[03:25] <wood1> How do I improve the speed of my PC, my system is very slow
[03:25] <zenwhen> Its a bit complicated however.
[03:25] <TeRanEX> and how can i do it?
[03:26] <TeRanEX> do i have to install ubuntu with grub in /boot and then add a line in boot.ini of windows?
[03:26] <zenwhen> It would involve installing grub, using a tool to copy your MBR, and reinstalling windows bootloader and having it load that MBR image.
[03:26] <georgia> um, should i be replying to the mail from maksim(at)ksenjak.com? i sent a message to the list then got a message saying my message requires verification, but that address doesnt resemble the mailing list address
[03:26] <TeRanEX> :-o
[03:26] <ermo> wood1, you'll need to elaborate a bit. What hardware do you have?
[03:27] <TeRanEX> so it is easier to install grub to my MBR?
[03:27] <wood1> Well my PC has a Pentium II 350 MHz processor with 192 MB of Memory
[03:27] <kensai> wood1, using xfce should speed it a lot
[03:27] <zenwhen> easier, yes
[03:27] <TeRanEX> thx :)
[03:27] <TeRanEX> oh another little question: i once installed ubuntu 4.10 pre (before 19 octobre)
[03:27] <Pitr> Ubuntu's livecd doesn't boot on my SATA RAID machine. Does it access the disk, and therefor crash shortly after grub ?
[03:28] <TeRanEX> in the partition manager i could set partitions to be 'active'
[03:28] <TeRanEX> what does that mean?
[03:28] <wood1> Well what I really don't understand is that Windows XP which is also installed on my System is much much faster than Ubuntu
[03:28] <kensai> XP pretends to be faster
[03:28] <ermo> wood1, ahem. You perceive XP to be faster. Well. What graphics adapter do you have?
[03:29] <zenwhen> wood1, oif your Processor is over 1Ghz, XP is not faster then Ubuntu.
[03:29] <ermo> wood1, we might be able to tweak your settings a bit.
[03:29] <ermo> wood1, don't expect miracles though. Your system more than 5 years old.
[03:29] <wood1> Well It is Nvidia TNT 2 with 32 MB of memory
[03:29] <ermo> *is more
[03:29] <zenwhen> Linux's superior memory management makes that nearly impossible unless you have mde a configuration error.
[03:30] <kensai> wood1, you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[03:30] <tiago> hi there, to disable load of a script in init.d I just change the permission?
[03:31] <tiago> like chmod -x apache2 for instance?
[03:31] <Ng> tiago: that would work, but it's not how it is normally done
[03:31] <wood1> Well I don't have the idea about the Nvidia drivers
[03:31] <TeRanEX> does anybody know what's the use of setting a partition to be 'active' in the installer?
[03:31] <tiago> Ng, so how can do?
[03:32] <ermo> wood1, do you have another graphics adapter handy, say, a radeon 7xxx or <9250 ?
[03:32] <pdamoc> hello
[03:32] <Ng> tiago: I'm not at my ubuntu machine right now so I can't check to see if there's something in the System Settings menu (I think there might be a Services tool in there). Failing that, you can use rcconf in a terminal to select which things you want
[03:32] <ermo> kensai, will the nvidia binary drivers work well with tnt2s ?
[03:33] <kensai> ermo, they should
[03:33] <pdamoc> I have a python script that is supposed to start using python... however is I start the script from Nautilus... nothing happens
[03:33] <tiago> Ng, np thx
[03:33] <ermo> wood1, basically your video is probably not accelerated (very much, if any)
[03:33] <ermo> wood1, that would account for the 'slowness'
[03:33] <pdamoc> if I open a terminal and type "python myscript.py" it works as espected
[03:33] <pdamoc> what gives?
[03:33] <tiago> Anybody knows if we have a tool for select the scripts on startup?
[03:33] <Ng> tiago: what gets started/stopped is controlled by the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[03:33] <wood1> Well how do I enable the Nvidia graphics drivers for faster speed ?
[03:34] <mojo_> I need some help here
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ ppl were helping you man and you buggered off before reading it
[03:34] <mojo_> anyone know how to make Cedega on Ubuntu over this same prob as http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=162
[03:34] <Pitr> Any way I can contribute to ubuntu by filing a bugreport for ubuntu on my system? :) only failsafe seems to boot
[03:35] <wood1> Well forgive me for saying this, but Windows 9x/NT/2000 runs faster than Ubuntu Linux on "Older PCs)
[03:35] <Treenaks> wood1: no, it seems to run faster, slight difference :)
[03:35] <Ng> Pitr: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:35] <Pitr> Ng, are there tools to figure out what went wrong ?
[03:35] <kensai> yep tnt2 is supported by the linux nvidia driver
[03:36] <Ng> Pitr: ah, probably not to any degree of accuracy. if you know a bit of linux and can poke around it would be useful I imagine
[03:36] <kensai> wood1, install nvidia drivers that should do it
[03:36] <kensai> bonobo a little help with nvidia drivers?
[03:36] <kensai> LOL
[03:36] <Ng> wood1: the gnome desktop is a bit chunky for a system like yours :/
[03:36] <Pitr> Ng, yeah, but my ubuntu knowledge is very limited. Apart from "It freezes at the brown/orange/yellow ubuntu screen with a grey bar below", my bugreport doesn't contain much more ;)
[03:37] <kensai> wood1, xfce will do miracles to your system
[03:37] <ermo> wood1, that's perfectly ok to say, but it's not entirely correct. The gui of windows xp employs some tricks that speed drawing substantially. The X Window System is built differently. It can be made to work almost as smoothly, afaik.
[03:37] <Pitr> Ng, could SATA be the problem ?
[03:37] <Ng> ermo: you're never going to get gnome 2.x to run well on a 350mhz P2 with 192mb of ram
[03:37] <kensai> wood1, thats why I say windows pretends to be fsater
[03:37] <ermo> Ng, true.
[03:37] <kensai> faster*
[03:37] <Ng> ermo: to claim that he's wrong because windows is cheating is also highly irrelevant imo ;)
[03:38] <Pitr> Ng, or the 64bittyness of the processor ?
[03:38] <Ng> Pitr: it sounds like it's crashing as X/gdm starts, I doubt that'd be SAATA. Does it display a load of booting text first?
[03:38] <Ng> -A
[03:38] <ermo> Ng, I'm saying that his statement applies to his windowing experience. It's not true when we look at different parts of the system.
[03:39] <ermo> Ng, but the gui is what he sees. And *that* is slower. But it can probably become better than it is now.,
[03:39] <Pitr> Nh, eh, no, before that. about 4-5 seconds after grub decides to load the default image :)
[03:39] <Ng> Pitr: oh. so you don't see the kernel/system boot at all really? that could be sata ;)
[03:40] <Ng> Pitr: does it print any kind of error?
[03:40] <Pitr> but why? it's a diskless livecd .. :)
[03:40] <Pitr> nope, just freezes
[03:40] <Treenaks> Pitr: can you try booting the rescue image?
[03:40] <Pitr> failsafe does work, dmesg contains the SATA info
[03:40] <ermo> wood1, chances are your system (when using gnome) will never feel as responsive as when you run windows xp.
[03:40] <Pitr> treeenaks, failsafe eq rescue?
[03:40] <Ng> Pitr: ok, well if it's a livecd then that makes SATA unlikely again. more information ;)
[03:40] <Ng> I'm not sure what enabling failsafe on the CD does, so I'll be quiet ;)
[03:40] <Treenaks> Pitr: is it a live CD or an installer CD or an installed system you're trying to boot for the first time?
[03:40] <DaRk^LorD> GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[03:41] <Pitr> failsafe does a lot of 'no<this>' and 'no<that>'
[03:41] <DaRk^LorD> why~
[03:41] <Pitr> Treenaks: livecd on an installed system
[03:41] <Pitr> (it has a SATA RAID)
[03:41] <ermo> wood1, it can be improved from what it is now by a) enabling the nvidia drivers (i haven't used them myself, so I can't help you there) and b) experimenting with kernel settings.
[03:41] <Coy> hey, anyone have idea what's pnp bios error means?
[03:41] <jimmings> please, need help: i have logitech webcam pro 4000, with micro built in, i get video but I can't get sound
[03:42] <Coy> non-standard bios?
[03:42] <kensai> wood1, give the a option a go first and tell us what happens
[03:43] <gpart> hi
[03:44] <wood1> Ok thanks alot to all for the advice
[03:45] <Darklin> Greetings. I have a quesiton about the LiveCD version of Ubuntu. What is the preset password to switch to Root?
[03:45] <gpart> for me the installation works quite well, but during the first boot after the installation, it hangs on "/sbin/init : 426 cannot open dev/console : No such file - Kernel panic : attempted to kill init !" Anybody solved this?
[03:45] <Treenaks> Darklin: your own password.
[03:46] <Simira> Darklin: same as your first user, I'd think
[03:46] <Treenaks> Darklin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:46] <jimmings> someone could help me
[03:46] <Kamion> sudo and use your own password, or can't you just type 'su'?
[03:46] <gpart> (i tried to install is on an external usb hardisk)
[03:46] <Darklin> Ok. That got it. Thank you, Kamion
[03:47] <Kamion> gpart: that indicates that the initrd can't find your root filesystem, which probably means that it just doesn't understand how to deal with USB disks
[03:47] <Kamion> gpart: feel free to file the details in a bug report against initrd-tools
[03:47] <gpart> Kamion: hmm.. but the installation itself went quite well
[03:47] <Kamion> gpart: yeah, but initrd-tools is a law unto itself independent of the installation
[03:48] <gpart> so this issue is kind of already 'known'
[03:48] <DaRk^LorD> GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 > can someone tell me how to solve this problem?
[03:48] <gpart> it's currently not possible to get it run from a usb-device?
[03:49] <fabbione> DaRk^LorD: hoary or warty?
[03:49] <DaRk^LorD> warty
[03:49] <fabbione> apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[03:50] <Coy> not anyone who knows about pnp bios error?
[03:50] <fabbione> or
[03:50] <fabbione> apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86
[03:50] <DaRk^LorD> hmm i will try
[03:50] <Seveas> Coy, you mean 'PnPbios: Unable to get node info. Aborting.
[03:50] <DaRk^LorD> thx
[03:50] <Seveas> ?
[03:51] <Coy> Seveas, yes...ubuntu boot still but I only wonder what that error is?
[03:51] <Seveas> Harmless error, it is merely a diagnostic message
[03:51] <Coy> damn I have bad English
[03:51] <Coy> :)
[03:52] <Treenaks> Coy: not as bad as some ;)
[03:52] <Seveas> I have that exact same error on boot :)
[03:52] <Coy> Thanks! Seveas is there anyway to get that the kernel won't prompt about?
[03:52] <Seveas> don't know, never cared about it :o)
[03:52] <Simira> Amaya here?
[03:53] <mjg59> Coy: It means that your BIOS claims to have pnpbios support, but doesn't actually seem to
[03:53] <DaRk^LorD> fabbione , in the instalation, i wasnt asked for giving a root password, how do i know what that pass is?
[03:53] <Coy> I think something like PnPbios=no
[03:54] <Coy> mjg59,ok =) This is ami bios with newest update...asus motherboard from HP...oem I think
[03:54] <DracosX> DaRk^LorD: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:54] <DaRk^LorD> thx DracosX
[03:54] <DracosX> no problem :P
[03:55] <wood1> Well you see, there are about about 3 dozen PCs in our Office which have processors in the range of 133 MHz to 450 MHz. Then it is almost impossible to run Ubuntu on them
[03:56] <ermo> wood1, well, that depends somewhat.
[03:56] <ermo> wood1, if you expect them to be full-fledged clients, then, regrettably, probably yes
[03:56] <ermo> wood1, if, however, you were to buy one modern machine you could use linux terminal server project.
[03:57] <ermo> wood1, using the slowest pcs as thin clients
[03:57] <ermo> wood1, the 450 MHz one could probably be made to run ok (i'm on a p3@550 w/256 MB RAM)
[03:58] <ermo> wood1, sure, it won't be a screamer by any means. But it's doable.
[03:59] <Coy> what is the best distribution? :)
[03:59] <wood1> Well we use the Terminal Services of Windows 2000 Server. Well there are very high end PCs in our Office but what I wanted was to run Linux on the slower PCs of my department
[03:59] <gen> coy: that goes in ubuntu-offtopic
[04:00] <Coy> gen, i was just joking =)
[04:00] <gen> you'd find a nice bias'd view anyhow coy :)
[04:00] <Coy> :)
[04:00] <wood1> And after installing Ubuntu on 3 of my Pentium II machines, I was a little disappointed by the speed.
[04:01] <ermo> wood1, I can well understand that.
[04:01] <Ng> wood1: Ubuntu simply isn't targetted at machines that old
[04:01] <Ng> wood1: use a more basic distro, frankly.
[04:01] <gen> dont run gnome on them wood1
[04:01] <Coy> try fluxbox...(or something similar)
[04:01] <kensai> wood1, please apt-get install xfce
[04:01] <wood1> Well is there any way to stop any unwanted services which I can remove safely from Ubuntu Linux so that it frees up memory ?
[04:01] <gen> blackbox, etc
[04:02] <gen> xfce is also nice
[04:02] <kensai> services won't do anything
[04:02] <kensai> just install xfce
[04:02] <kensai> and use it as main window manager
[04:02] <wood1> Ok I wll install xfce now
[04:03] <ermo> wood1, I assume you want a 'familiar' environment, where things 'just work'?
[04:03] <wood1> By the way, if I use xfce, will opening a OpenOffice document be faster ?
[04:04] <gen> wood1, no
[04:04] <kensai> wood1, way faster
[04:04] <gen> how
[04:04] <kensai> I open everything on xfce faster
[04:04] <gen> what hardware?
[04:04] <kensai> it uses less memory than gnome
[04:04] <gen> yea, quite a bit
[04:04] <Coy> i've never tryied xfce
[04:04] <kensai> athlon xp 2000+ LOL
[04:05] <gen> wow
[04:05] <gen> gnome shouldnt be a problem either, kensai
[04:05] <gen> heh
[04:05] <Coy> I have athlon xp 2600+
[04:05] <gen> im running a 1600+ on here
[04:05] <Coy> well I love gnome
[04:05] <kensai> good
[04:05] <Coy> :d
[04:06] <Ng> I like that
[04:06] <Ng> a "no" and a "way faster" on consecutive lines ;)
[04:06] <gen> :)
[04:06] <wood1> Well I am also thinking of getting a New PC with a 2.2 GHz Celeron processor. Will the Celeron processor slow things down
[04:06] <Ng> you guys are talking such smack ;)
[04:06] <Ng> you can't answer a question like that :)
[04:06] <DaRk^LorD> when i write "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" , it appears "The following packages have unmet dependencies (...) Unmed dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install'
[04:06] <ermo> wood1, compared to a 450 MHz pII? Of course not.
[04:06] <Ng> wood1: a 2.2ghz celeron would be fine
[04:06] <Ng> easily fine
[04:07] <gen> celerons are a joke :)
[04:07] <Coy> it comes year now since I last use windows..
[04:07] <mercurus> DaRk^LorD, run sudo apt-get -f install
[04:07] <kensai> yeah
[04:07] <Ng> gen: err, no
[04:07] <Coy> never ever again
[04:07] <DaRk^LorD> trying
[04:07] <gen> Ng, arg ahoy
[04:07] <wood1> How much difference is the speed between a Pentium 2.4 GHz and a Celeron 2.4 GHz processor ?
[04:07] <Coy> :)
[04:07] <Ng> gen: also no :)
[04:07] <mercurus> wood1, it isn't speed so much as cache
[04:07] <Ng> wood1: that depends what kind of applications you run
[04:07] <Ng> wood1: the main difference is the P4 has more L2 cache, which will affect things like paint programs, 3D programs more than it will OpenOffice
[04:07] <ermo> wood1, anything 700+MHz with 256+ mb and videocards with 16+mb of onboard ram will run fine, I'd think
[04:07] <Ng> because OO is so huge it easily blats a cache of any size
[04:08] <DaRk^LorD> it appears: Error processing /emacs21-common(...) corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Sucess
[04:08] <wood1> Well I have to run Web base applications and OpenOffice projects and use Email applications
[04:09] <Coy> when next ubuntu will be released?
[04:09] <gen> should be april, coy
[04:10] <Coy> ok
[04:10] <Coy> thanks
[04:10] <wood1> Is the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium only in the Cache Memory of the Processor ?
[04:11] <ermo> wood1, more likely than not, yes. But the marketing difference is an entirely different matter.
[04:12] <ermo> wood1, also the celerons FSB < p4 FSB in most cases
[04:12] <Coy> still about that Pnp error...why other distros won't prompt about it? Like Fedora or Mandrake...
[04:12] <ermo> wood1, but for office workloads, that's not an issue anyway.
[04:12] <Coy> configuration is different?
[04:12] <gen> coy, prompt you about what
[04:13] <Coy> gen, that PnPbios error during startup
[04:13] <ermo> wood1, you've established that a p2 350 w/192 mb ram doesn't live up to your expectations. Which is understandable given the hardware ubuntu targets.
[04:16] <mojo_> sif siff
[04:16] <mojo_> can someone help me out on Cedega?
[04:16] <mojo_> I still get error = 21 issue with Ubuntu Hoary
[04:16] <mojo_> last time I didnt get such thing
[04:17] <Ng> hmm
[04:17] <Ng> that's weird, ubuntu doesn't have prelinking or exec shield, so cedega should work
[04:17] <mojo_> I know
[04:17] <mojo_> I look through the /usr/lib
[04:18] <mojo_> I found lots of broken links lib
[04:18] <mojo_> I fixed all of them
[04:18] <Ng> are you on an amd64 machine by any chance?
[04:18] <mojo_> no
[04:18] <Ng> doh ;)
[04:18] <gen> Ng, dough
[04:18] <mojo_> sigh...........
[04:18] <mojo_> lastime I run well on Warty
[04:19] <Ng> I installed cedega last night in a hoary 32bit chroot on my amd64 hoary machine and it played counterstrike for many many hours ;)
[04:19] <gen> counterstrike lol
[04:19] <gen> WALL HAXOR WTF YOU CHEAT
[04:19] <Ng> second best game ever!
[04:19] <Ng> haha
[04:19] <Ng> apart from that ;)
[04:19] <mojo_> something wrong with my Ubuntu system
[04:19] <labanux> mojo_, explain it
[04:20] <Ng> mojo_: I forget how, but you might want to enable some cedega debugging, see if there are any helpful errors that suggest where the problem is
[04:20] <mojo_> ok
[04:20] <mojo_> labanux: when I run the game
[04:20] <labanux> mojo_. what game?
[04:20] <mojo_> labanux: I have an error file not found error = 21, you can search on net about this issue
[04:21] <mojo_> labanux: any game
[04:21] <labanux> mojo_,file not found? are you sure yo've install it correrctly?
[04:22] <mojo_> labanux: yes
[04:22] <mojo_> labanux: deb version
[04:23] <kent_> Am I wrong, or does the message on "shipit.ubuntulinux.org" mean that it does not cost anything to order a cd from Ubuntu?
[04:23] <wood1> By the way, Everyone online, what hardware features do you have in your PCs ?
[04:23] <wood1> I mean the speed of the Processor ?
[04:24] <Ng> wood1: ~2ghz
[04:24] <labanux> kent: yeah...
[04:24] <Ng> wood1: lots of RAM is more important though than a super high clock speed
[04:25] <labanux> kent: but i've order it sicne one month ago, but i still don't get itu right now
[04:25] <labanux> kent: then i download it myself.. :)
[04:26] <wood1> So how much of RAM is right for a now and 2 years from now ?
[04:26] <kent_> labanux, i read on the mailinglist that people have been getting their CDs now.  But i dont understand,  doesn't it cost a lot of monney? Cant the monney go to other things, like bountys for projects etc?
[04:27] <kent_> wood1, I have 512 mb of ram and a Amd XP 2x00 something CPU. I have no problem at all.  Less memory should not be used though..
[04:27] <Ng> wood1: I'd say get 512MB
[04:28] <wood1> Well I will go for 1 GB of RAM then
[04:28] <Ng> even better :)
[04:28] <wood1> Well I think investing more in RAM is better than investing between a Pentium and a Celeron
[04:28] <Ng> yes
[04:29] <Ng> definitely for openoffice type stufff
[04:29] <stegro> hi (i am just listening)
[04:30] <kent_> wood1 My experience is that at the time when i choose between diffrent CPUs, it seems like a big deal. But after a year or two.. then the difference that people see between those CPUs is minimal, the amount of ram though makes a big diffrent.
[04:31] <wood1> Well Kent, thanks for your advice
[04:32] <wintie> hi
[04:32] <wintie> does Ubuntu have amsn, real and xchat?
[04:33] <wintie> and if sum1 asks can i simply say am using Debian
[04:33] <wintie> is it a stable distro?
[04:33] <wintie> how popular is it?
[04:33] <wintie> can i backup my suse prior to install it?
[04:33] <labanux> kent: i thing those project would be get fund too...
[04:35] <sect2k> hi, anyone have any issues with GRUB and SATA drives?
[04:35] <wood1> I don't see the xfce Window Manager in my Login Screen !!!
[04:35] <kent_> hmm, couldn't the topic be read as if you want xorg, then its as easy as install Hoary? Well, its works like that, but you also could get a non-working system. Why not link to a page explainging that instead?
[04:35] <kent_> wood1, have you installed xfce?
[04:36] <wood1> I have installed it already
[04:36] <labanux> anyone can know how to enable mysql support on apache server in Ubuntu?
[04:37] <HcE> there is a php-mysql package
[04:37] <wood1> I don't understand why xfce is not displayed in the Sessions menu ?
[04:37] <wintie> labanux: no
[04:37] <HcE> don't remember the name correct, I'm a postgreSQL guy
[04:37] <wintie> HcE: no we don't
[04:37] <sect2k> labanux: depends on what kind of mysql support are you looking for
[04:38] <wintie> sect2k: no we don't
[04:38] <labanux> i've install apache2 in my Ubuntu, and the PHP runs well
[04:38] <wintie> labanux: who cares
[04:38] <wintie> :)
[04:38] <sect2k> labanux: you mean mysql support in PHP?
[04:38] <dataw0lf> I suggest going with Apache < 2 if you're not familiar with web server operation.
[04:39] <labanux> sect2k: yeah.., that's right
[04:39] <dataw0lf> especially if you're looking to do indepth coding in PHP, PHP is still having problems with some aspects of multithreading.
[04:39] <sect2k> labanux: enable universe, install php4-mysql
[04:40] <labanux> sect2k: oh.., ok wait a minute
[04:41] <wood1> Anybody, please help get my xcfe Window Manager up and running ?
[04:41] <sect2k> has anyone had any problems (GRUB Hard Disk error) when installing ubuntu
[04:41] <sect2k> and no, it's not dual boot related
[04:42] <wood1> I have already installed xfce but I can't use it
[04:42] <stegro> @sect2k: me (couldn't install grub on floppy)
[04:43] <labanux> sect2k : ohh yeaah....., it's work..
[04:44] <Gwildor_> wood1, why cant you use it?
[04:44] <stegro> (but I made my own floppy - doesn't look nice but runs)
[04:45] <wood1> Because xfce is not shown in my Session menu
[04:45] <Gwildor_> wood1, check synaptic to be sure it is installed?
[04:45] <Simira> *replacing Warthogs with Hedgehogs*
[04:45] <Simira> here we go
[04:45] <Gwildor_> Simira. good luck
[04:46] <Simira> thanks :) I'm a newbie, so I'm not sure how this goes :)
[04:46] <Gwildor_> Simira, neb here as well, went fine for me
[04:46] <Gwildor_> newb*
[04:47] <Gwildor_> is sed fixed?
[04:47] <sect2k> labanux: wish my porblems would be so easily resolved
[04:47] <Simira> I'm sure it will... why shoudn't it, anyway? :p
[04:47] <Simira> Mithrandi said
[04:47] <Gwildor_> Simira, bugs, but you should be fine
[04:47] <Simira> during then night
[04:47] <Kamion> Gwildor_: yes
[04:47] <Gwildor_> kamion, apt-get upgrade will just fix it?
[04:48] <Gwildor_> kamion, or is there a deb I need to download?
[04:48] <Kamion> upgrading should fix, please say if not
[04:48] <sect2k> i can't mount smb shares from fstab, but mount comand works fine, any insight?
[04:48] <Gwildor_> kamion, I wont know till later, when I get home from work, but I will deff let the room know
[04:48] <Simira> Kamion: you're a deb developer? or Ubuntu?
[04:48] <Gwildor_> kamion, anyone special I should tell, or just announce to the room?
[04:48] <daniels> Simira: (the two are not mutually exclusive)
[04:48] <ploum> daniels, ping ?
[04:49] <Kamion> Simira: both
[04:49] <daniels> ploum: sup
[04:49] <Kamion> Gwildor_: me
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> sed is fixed?
[04:49] <Simira> Kamion: ah, great. See you in Barcelona then :)
[04:49] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: there's an echo in here :)
[04:49] <ploum> daniels, I've tried your packages of xcompmgr and transset
[04:49] <Gwildor_> kamion, ok , but it wont be for 7 hours, about
[04:49] <Kamion> Simira: yep, should do
[04:49] <ploum> but I don't find any binary for transset
[04:49] <wood1> xfce is installed in Syanptic too
[04:49] <daniels> ploum: er yeah, there is none
[04:49] <Gwildor_> wood1, idk then, sorry
[04:50] <Tsjoklat> Kamion sorry just got in the room
[04:50] <Gwildor_> wood1, maybe just boot to terminal, then "xfce", or xfce4, idk, start xfce from terminal
[04:50] <mojo_> ppl
[04:50] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: ah, ok
[04:50] <mojo_> I've searhced through the net about the error = 21 of Cedega
[04:51] <mojo_> and I found out that this bug also happen with Debian unstable
[04:51] <ploum> daniels, is it an error ? Or an misunderstanding from myself ?
[04:51] <mojo_> and the only way to fix it is to use prelink -ua but I'm wondering y? b/c Ubuntu not use prelnk
[04:52] <Kamion> and cedega isn't supported by Ubuntu, so ...
[04:52] <daniels> ploum: nah, just an error on my behalf I haven't had time to fix
[04:53] <ploum> daniels, ok thanks :-)  Not a problem.  Thank you for your work, it's very fun to play with expocity and xcompmgr
[04:53] <ploum> Have a good day
[04:53] <mojo_> Kamion: please try this command 'prelink -ua', you will find lots of intersting warning that some must be bugs of Ubuntu
[04:53] <daniels> ploum: cheers
[04:54] <Kamion> prelink is fairly screwy at times, I'm sure some of them are minor bugs but it's not a high priority for us to fix
[04:54] <Kamion> I'm rather more interested in fixing the way OOo installation is broken right now :P
[04:55] <mojo_> daniels: the old enabling nvidia script still use XFree86config-4
[04:55] <Gwildor_> is the pre-linking stuff any good, YOPER uses it, but it doesn't seem any faster than ubuntu, to me?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> hehe lol Kamion
[04:55] <mojo_> daniels: can u create an Xorg version for it?
[04:55] <Kamion> Gwildor_: lot of effort and breakage for not very much gain, generally ...
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> gdesklets are broken again *sigh*
[04:55] <Gwildor_> kamion, ok.......the gain is non apparent to me, but thnx for the answer
[04:56] <daniels> mojo_: already done, just needs more testing
[04:56] <daniels> mojo_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/nvidia-glx-config if you want to try it
[04:57] <Gwildor_> daniels, what this do ?? "radeon_drv.o" ??
[04:58] <Gwildor_> daniels, its in the Xorg folder
[04:59] <daniels> Gwildor_: ... it's the radeon driver
[05:00] <Mabus> is that usable with xorg ?
[05:00] <daniels> what, the radeon driver?
[05:00] <Mabus> yes :)
[05:00] <ryanpg> daniels, huh.. didn't know you were a ubuntu guy also
[05:01] <mojo_> daniels: when I install array1, the Xorg won't start due to missing libGL library, first I Xorgconfig and make it work, then I try to reinstall array1 again and this time I install nvidia-glx and it works well (no need Xorgconf), i think you accidently enable libGL??
[05:01] <daniels> ryanpg: yeah, I am
[05:01] <daniels> Mabus: um, yes
[05:02] <daniels> mojo_: without your log and configuration file from the failed run, I can't help you at all
[05:02] <Mabus> daniels: oh, great! When I installed xserver-xorg, it removed my fglrx package, and I was told ATI drivers for xorg didn't exist yet.
[05:03] <mojo_> daniels: I will install array1 again, and copy u the text
[05:03] <daniels> mojo_: cool
[05:03] <daniels> mojo_: the *full* log file is essential
[05:03] <kent_> Even though i guess people might not be happier of this, I sort of have a confession.  I always used to feel a need of upgrading to the newest beta of Fedora and Redhat Linux (or debian unstable before that) when i used it before. But i kind of dont have that feeling now with Ubuntu. Thats kind of nice realy..
[05:03] <Mabus> (erm, or atleast there weren't any packages for it)
[05:03] <wood1> OK everyone thanks for your time
[05:03] <wood1> and the advice and tips
[05:03] <daniels> Mabus: you can't get 3D acceleration for Radeons 9550 or higher (r3xx/r4xx), because ATI haven't released the drivers
[05:04] <wood1> I will see you all later bye bye
[05:04] <daniels> Mabus: but you can get 2D on everything, and 3D on lower cards
[05:04] <Mabus> daniels: ah, alright. Any estimate on release?
[05:04] <daniels> Mabus: don't know, sorry
[05:04] <Mabus> daniels: ok, thanks
[05:04] <Mabus> kent_: I do :)
[05:06] <Mabus> daniels: A question.. I've been busy, and have installed Warty with 4 people (non-techies, used Windows before), and they think it's great (except for the one guy who's behind a proxy - proxy+linux=crap).. I'm just wondering how they will upgrade to Hoary when it's released?
[05:07] <Mabus> will they have to edit sources.list ?
[05:07] <daniels> yeah, sources.list
[05:07] <Mabus> or will you provide a package that depends on ubuntu-base that automatically edits sources.list with the stable changes ?
[05:07] <ermo> I'm trying to setup a raid1 on my ubuntu system. md and raid1 modules are loaded, but I get a /dev related error
[05:08] <ermo> anyone willing to take a look?
[05:08] <ermo> root@gizmo:/dev # mkraid /dev/md0
[05:08] <ermo> cannot determine md version: no MD device file in /dev.
[05:08] <Gwildor_> Simira, keep going, almost there
[05:08] <ermo> is ubuntu using devfs?
[05:08] <ermo> or udev?
[05:08] <fabbione> ermo: udev
[05:08] <Mabus> I'm not quite happy with that solution. None of them know what sources.list is.
[05:08] <ermo> Or do I need to manually create device nodes?
[05:08] <ermo> fabbione, thanks
[05:09] <fabbione> ermo: what do you have in /proc/mdstat ?
[05:09] <ermo> fabbione, i'll go check
[05:09] <Gwildor_> mabus, maybe right a little script for them
[05:09] <Gwildor_> write?
[05:09] <Mabus> :)
[05:09] <ermo> fabbione: Personalities : [raid1]
[05:09] <ermo> unused devices: <none>
[05:09] <Mabus> Gwildor: Wouldn't it be possible to make such a package I proposed above ?
[05:09] <Gwildor_> mabus, I have no idea, newb
[05:09] <fabbione> ermo: what is your /etc/raidtab ?
[05:09] <Mabus> Gwildor: alright :)
[05:10] <ermo> similar to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html in the raid1 part
[05:10] <Simira> Gwildor: done now. But I got a mail notice about a file system issue, so I'll have to check that out. Booting smoothly, though
[05:10] <fabbione> ermo: you need to start the raid first
[05:10] <fabbione> ermo: raidstart or something like that
[05:11] <fabbione> and you will see some interesting info in /proc/mdstat
[05:11] <ermo> fabbione, and I need to change my partition to be linux raid autodect too :)
[05:11] <Simira> has hoary got a differend x-server from warty?
[05:11] <Telep> Simira: yes, it now has x.org
[05:12] <ermo> fabbione, so I need to start the raid subsystem before I create the raid device mkraid /dev/md0 ?
[05:12] <ermo> fabbione, some howto :S
[05:12] <fabbione> ermo: you need to start it
[05:13] <ermo> fabbione, allright. I'll try to start fire it up.
[05:13] <ermo> -start
[05:13] <ermo> root@gizmo:/dev # raidstart
[05:13] <ermo> cannot determine md version: no MD device file in /dev.
[05:13] <fabbione> hold on a sec..
[05:13] <ermo> so, we're back to creating device nodes
[05:14] <ermo> fabbione, if I create them manually (using MAKEDEV) udev will save them and reload them on next boot, right?
[05:14] <fabbione> ermo: that's not the right way to do it
[05:14] <fabbione> just a second...
[05:15] <fabbione> (i am checking the documentation..
[05:15] <fabbione> i don't remember all of it on the fly)
[05:15] <ermo> fabbione, what documentation? The udev documentation?
[05:15] <fabbione> no
[05:16] <fabbione> the raid documentation
[05:16] <fabbione> there is no need to touch udev
[05:16] <Simira> Hedgehog in place. Wellwell.
[05:16] <ermo> fabbione, so you think that the raid system is capable of creating device nodes on the fly?
[05:16] <fabbione> ermo: i don't think.. it does
[05:17] <ermo> fabbione, ooooh.
[05:17] <fabbione> can you show me your raidtab please?
[05:18] <Simira> uh
[05:18] <ermo> fabbione, yes. I'll query you, ok?
[05:18] <Simira> the Hedgehog stole my shortcuts!
[05:18] <fabbione> sure
[05:20] <fabbione> ermo: ok
[05:20] <fabbione> ermo: did you mark the partitions as raid devices?
[05:20] <ermo> fabbione, not yet.
[05:20] <fabbione> ermo: do that
[05:20] <ermo> fabbione, so that could be the issue?
[05:20] <ermo> fabbione, will do
[05:20] <fabbione> one of them
[05:20] <atropus> Is there  newer libgtkhtml2 ubuntu package than 2.4.1?
[05:21] <atropus> It has a bug ....
[05:22] <atropus> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135489
[05:22] <bratsche> Anyone here using amd64?
[05:22] <Ng> bratsche: yep
[05:23] <bratsche> Ng: Did you have problems updating base-files to base-files_3.1.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ?
[05:23] <bratsche> In Synaptic?
[05:23] <Kamion> bratsche: known, being fixed
[05:24] <bratsche> Kamion: Okay, thanks.
[05:24] <bratsche> Ng: Also, did you have problems with LANG and/or LANGUAGE environment stuff since you installed?
[05:24] <Kamion> it's actually technically xorg-driver-synaptics' fault, it's just that my base-files upload triggered it
[05:24] <Kamion> a new xorg-driver-synaptics has been uploaded and is just waiting to build on amd64
[05:24] <Ng> bratsche: I haven't hit a base-files problem, I haven't upgraded for a few days though
[05:25] <bratsche> Kamion: Does your Xorg have xf86vmode.h installed?  I think that should still be included, but it's not on my system.
[05:25] <Ng> bratsche: no LANG problems, I installed localeconf and set everything to use en_GB.UTF-8 and its been fine
[05:25] <Kamion> bratsche: probably the xlibs-static-dev split-out
[05:25] <daniels> bratsche: apt-get install libxxf86vm-dev
[05:25] <Kamion> ah, he beat me to it
[05:25] <bratsche> daniels: Cool, thanks!
[05:25] <Ng> bratsche: (en_GB obviously being for the UK, so don't pick that ;)
[05:26] <bratsche> Ng: I had to set $LANG=C because en_US caused much brokenness for me.  I never could figure out why.
[05:26] <bratsche> I might do a fresh install again sometime.
[05:26] <jordi> mutt -f =debian-devel-announce
[05:26] <jordi> ugh
[05:27] <fabbione> jordi: que pasa
[05:27] <darknite> Does anyone know when we can start using the sources from what will be the next release of ubuntu
[05:27] <Ng> bratsche: hmm. well from hoary it's all going to be UTF as far as I know :)
[05:27] <Kamion> Ng: legacy locales still supported though
[05:27] <Kamion> bratsche: did you turn off the non-UTF-8 locales?
[05:28] <bratsche> Kamion: I don't know.  When I first installed Ubuntu, my locale stuff was broken.  When I run Synaptic or whatever then I get lots of complaining.
[05:28] <jordi> fabbione: hey dude
[05:28] <jordi> fabbione: do you know if there's a known reason for apache1/sarge to start eating CPU?
[05:28] <bratsche> Kamion: Right now when I installed the libxxf86vm-dev I got complaining again and something about en.ISO-8859-1 but I have no idea where that's configured.
[05:28] <fabbione> jordi: are you passing by in Mataro?
[05:28] <jordi> just a process. kill that child and it goes back to normal
[05:29] <fabbione> jordi: ECHAN -> #debian-apache oftc
[05:29] <jordi> fabbione: yeah, I got a mail from Jane.
[05:29] <jordi> fabbione: ndo
[05:29] <Kamion> bratsche: your $LANG must be something listed in /etc/locale.gen (written by 'dpkg-reconfigure locales')
[05:29] <ermo> fabbione, no go just yet. I'm also experiencing issues w/hotplug on boot. I don't know if it might be related. And I get a 'failed' when the raid subsystem is started on boot...
[05:30] <fabbione> ermo: now you need to do the mkraid
[05:30] <Kamion> bratsche: type 'locale | head -n 1' for me?
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, I did. Same error as before.
[05:30] <fabbione> HMMM
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, no devices
[05:30] <bratsche> Kamion: LANG=C
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, like I said, I'll investigate the hotplug issue on boot.
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, thanks for your time so far.
[05:30] <fabbione> ermo: it's not hotplug the problem
[05:30] <bratsche> Kamion: I set that manually because I didn't know what else to do.  I Just looked through locale.gen and found en_US.UTF-8 listed so I'll try that.
[05:31] <Kamion> bratsche: um, OK, look for anything in the output of 'locale' that isn't C
[05:31] <fabbione> ermo: check that /etc/init.d/mdadm and mdadm-raid are executed properly
[05:31] <ermo> fabbione, they aren't!
[05:31] <fabbione> ermo: velbekomme
[05:31] <goonie> I could use some help with 3d gfx problems I'm having... I just installed fglrx but 3d is still not working.
[05:31] <bratsche> Kamion: Everything says "C" except LC_ALL has no value.
[05:31] <fabbione> well that make a certain sense...
[05:31] <ermo> fabbione, precisely
[05:32] <ermo> so, I'll go take a look at that first and come back afterwards.
[05:32] <fabbione> ok
[05:32] <ermo> fabbione, how many lines may I paste in here? none?
[05:32] <ermo> fabbione, or is 3 ok?
[05:33] <fabbione> ermo: 3 is ok :-)
[05:33] <ermo> c
[05:33] <ermo> fabbione, root@gizmo:~ # /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start
[05:33] <ermo>  * Starting RAID devices...
[05:33] <ermo>  *ift: 40: can't shift that many
[05:33] <ermo> seems that it's a shell script error
[05:33] <fabbione> ermo: exactly..
[05:33] <ermo> I know there's a 'debugging' switch for bash ...
[05:34] <hitchhiker> goonie: have you edited XF86Config-4?
[05:34] <fabbione> ermo: set -x or sh -x /etc/init.d/mdadm start
[05:34] <goonie> hmmm.. no
[05:34] <ermo> fabbione, I'll set it in the mdadm-start file
[05:34] <goonie> what options should I set?
[05:34] <ermo> fabbione, and check
[05:34] <fabbione> ermo: ok
[05:34] <alexissoft> coucou
[05:35] <hitchhiker> goonie: have you checked the guide on the ubuntu web forums?
[05:35] <goonie> yes I followed a guide in there
[05:36] <goonie> should the driver section in XF86Config-4 be "ati" og "fglrx" ?
[05:36] <hitchhiker> you have to set Driver  "fglrx"
[05:36] <goonie> ahh
[05:36] <ermo> fabbione, + /sbin/mdrun
[05:36] <ermo> shift: 40: can't shift that many
[05:37] <fabbione> ermo: hold on
[05:37] <Kamion> ermo: your /bin/sh is dash, not bash; this is a known bug in mdadm I believe
[05:37] <goonie> thx hitchhiker
[05:37] <ermo> Kamion, yup. That holds
[05:37] <bratsche> So I changed it to en.UTF-8 but that gives the same sort of error.
[05:37] <ermo> fabbione, Kamion, thx.
[05:37] <bratsche> Generating locales...
[05:37] <bratsche>   en.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[05:37] <hitchhiker> No probs. Might be a bit more to it but I can't remember
[05:38] <bratsche> Where are locale definition files located?
[05:38] <Kamion> bratsche: en.UTF-8 is invalid
[05:38] <Kamion> bratsche: en_US.UTF-8; the _US is important
[05:38] <hitchhiker> The ubuntu web forums are dyding a death at the moment
[05:38] <ermo> Kamion, what's the dpkg-reconfigure correct way to use /bin/sh instead of dash? dpkg-reconfigure dash?
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> /etc/environment
[05:39] <Kamion> ermo: you don't *have* to use debconf, you're entirely entitled to just flip the symlink
[05:39] <goonie> I noticed
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> /etc/locale.gen
[05:40] <ermo> Kamion, btw: is en_IN.UTF-8 'international' or 'India-as-in-somewhere-near-the-himalayan-mountains'?
[05:40] <Kamion> ermo: but dpkg-reconfigure dash should work yes
[05:40] <Kamion> certainly not international
[05:40] <ermo> Figures.
[05:40] <Kamion> in fact there's no en_IN.UTF-8, only en_IN (whose encoding is UTF-8)
[05:41] <Kamion> it's India, yes
[05:41] <ermo> Kamion, fabbione: now raid works just fine. Oh well.
[05:41] <Ng> ermo: you're in denmark, right?
[05:41] <ermo> yes.
[05:41] <Ng> there's an en_DK and I see a da_DK too, not sure what that is
[05:41] <Ng> I guess danish ;)
[05:41] <bratsche> Danish?
[05:42] <bratsche> Yes.
[05:42] <ermo> Ng, you are not by any chance in charge of a thermonuclear warhead loaded in a sub or anything since you ask? ;)
[05:42] <Ng> ermo: no, definitely not :)
[05:42] <Ng> unless I'm *really* bad at my job ;)
[05:42] <ermo> Ng, just checking..
[05:43] <fabbione> bungle: you also in dk?
[05:43] <fabbione> argh
[05:43] <fabbione> ^^Ng
[05:43] <Ng> me? nope, I'm in the UK
[05:43] <ermo> Ng, scotland? ireland? or England? Wales? Did I miss anything ;)
[05:44] <fabbione> never mind
[05:44] <Ng> ermo: that's pretty much it ;)
[05:44] <Ng> ermo: England
[05:44] <Ng> find london, go south until you hit water, I'm about there ;)
[05:45] <ermo> Ng, ... and as nutty as can be expected from the country that brought us Monthy Python
[05:45] <daniels> ermo: india is in, indonesia is id
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> fg
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> fg
[05:45] <ermo> daniels, ack
[05:46] <ermo> Ng, last I tried (a while back) XFree and en_DK.UTF-8 weren't exactly on friendly terms :S
[05:46] <ermo> Ng, but I keep hearing that things are better in the X.Org side of the pond
[05:47] <Ng> ermo: ah, to be honest I think you can have problems with any locale because the whole thing is so confusing
[05:47] <mxpxpod> I just upgraded to hoary and I'm not getting a strange warning on the command line when I run X programs:
[05:47] <mxpxpod> (gvim:6428): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[05:47] <mxpxpod> (gvim:6428): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[05:48] <ermo> Ng, which brings me to the following question: Would it be feasible to use X.Org with warty and some apt.conf magic?
[05:48] <mxpxpod> and my locale is en_US.UTF-8
[05:48] <ermo> Ng, or is that but a tad short of suicidal?
[05:48] <daniels> mxpxpod: yeah, known issue
[05:48] <daniels> mxpxpod: i've been looking at it all today
[05:48] <mxpxpod> daniels: any clue how to fix it?
[05:48] <mxpxpod> oh, ok
[05:49] <mxpxpod> also, my fonts look funny
[05:49] <Ng> ermo: well, technically it should be possible, it might involve rebuilding the packages or moving a lot of stuff in from hoary, so I'd think very carefully before you do ;)
[05:50] <ermo> Ng, I thought as much. Guess I need to consider using hoary. Does detract from the 'well-tested, supposed to just work' side of things a bit I'd think..
[05:51] <Ng> ermo: yeah. it's not too many months till hoary is out though, or there are other distros already using x.org in their stable releases
[05:51] <ermo> Ng, but I like my ubuntu *pets his ubuntu*
[05:52] <Ng> hehe
[05:52] <hitchhiker> When booting, I'm getting two modprobe FATAL errors inserting pciehp and shpchp modules
[05:52] <Ng> you could upgrade to hoary, play with it for a little while until it's stable and just not update it until release so you don't get broken packages. that's getting a bit wild and crazy though ;)
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod
[05:53] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat
[05:53] <ermo> Ng, I'll consider that option carefully ;)
[05:53] <mxpxpod> does ubuntu turn off compositing by default in xorg?
[05:53] <Kamion> Ng: you wouldn't get any security fixes either by not upgrading
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> mxpspod what is in your: /etc/environment
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> can you check
[05:53] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> and in: /etc/locale.gen
[05:54] <Ng> Kamion: I did say wild and crazy :)
[05:54] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: en_US ISO-8859-1
[05:54] <mxpxpod> en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15
[05:54] <mxpxpod> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> the first one is wrong then
[05:55] <ulisse> Hi all!
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> that should be: en_US UTF-8
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod I would do:
[05:55] <ulisse> I have a problem with hoary, someone can help?
[05:56] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: no it shouldn't
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:56] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 is just fine, changing the encoding of en_US would be bad and isn't supported
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> Kamion he says it says ISO not UTF
[05:56] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: that's en_US, not en_US.UTF-8; his locale is set to the latter
[05:57] <Tsjoklat> Kamion, I read it differently then you
[05:57] <Kamion> honestly, that stuff is correct; you can tell because it matches /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[05:57] <Kamion> which is the canonical list of what locales glibc supports