[00:00] <jared> [10:10] <tinin> jared you could install them with this comand sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre
[00:00] <jared> I did that
[00:00] <jared> and it said it worked
[00:00] <Jucato> if you did that, then it should be installed.
[00:00] <jared> but it isn't...
[00:01] <Jucato> did you get to the part that you need to accept some license?
[00:01] <jared> no
[00:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Would apt-cache policy have diff output than dpkg -l?
[00:01] <jared> I just did it again, and it said the following packages have been kept back:
[00:01] <jared> then had a whole list of packages
[00:02] <jared> then it had:
[00:02] <jared> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 46 not upgraded
[00:02] <Jucato> if you didn't reach the license agreement, then it wasn't installed properly
[00:02] <jared> I kno
[00:02] <jared> I just saw it said it didnt install
[00:03] <Jucato> ardchoille: dpkg -l lists all installed packages. apt-cache policy is for a different purpose, like to see which versions are available and from which repos
[00:03] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok
[00:03] <tinin> jared you should read how to install apps, search for those packages in synaptic or adept and reinstall them
[00:03] <Jucato> anyway, I'm gone too... try to install java and then it should work
[00:04] <jared> how do I install?
[00:04] <tinin> jared read that in the guide
[00:04] <tinin> don't make people type everything, there are lots of documentation out there ;P
[00:05] <tinin> jared http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#Updates_and_Upgrades_and_Installing_Software
[00:05] <jared> ergh, this is waaay to much work and I don't know what any of it means in the guides
[00:05] <yasahiro> i still have no idea how to get the background back where its supposed to be...
 just use adept or synaptic to install the apps you want
[00:07] <jared> i tried synaptic, didnt do anything
[00:07] <tinin> thy are two easy programs, maybe adept is easier
[00:07] <yasahiro> i believe adept is easier..
[00:07] <jared> I read in a guide to do this System-->Administration-->Software Sources-->Third-party software-->Add
[00:07] <jared> how do I do that in kubuntu?
[00:07] <Dr_willis_> I find synaptic works better for me then adept
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> Thats adding the 3rd party repositories. I normally just edit the  /etc/apt/sources.list file manually
[00:08] <matt_____> ScorpKing: super long story..but can i totally disable internet (not networking) on this box?
[00:08] <matt_____> or disable dhcp or soemthign on this thing?
[00:09] <matt_____> but still use networking and the whole server thing?
[00:09] <ScorpKing> matt____: yes. remember dns... and gateway... you've added? put # in front of them
[00:09] <tinin> Dr_willis_  is right
[00:09] <Dr_willis_> jared,  many of the docs out are very ubuntu specific.   Try the add/remove programs icon in the menus. it used to have a check box to enable the other repos.
[00:09] <matt_____> ScorpKing: ok, then restart the network?
[00:09] <matt_____> /etc/init.d?
[00:09] <jared> k
[00:09] <ScorpKing> matt____: yes. /etc/init.d/networking restart
[00:10] <matt_____> i didn't add a dns ScorpKing
[00:10] <jared> I might just install windows, Java works easily on that
[00:10] <NickPresta> jared, if you so wish.
[00:10] <jared> it works easily on Ubuntu too, but that is way to slow on this computer
[00:10] <jared> thats y i wanted kubuntu
[00:10] <tinin> jared don't be afraid to do this manually, it is just a text file, it is the only thig "complicated" I ever learnt about linux
[00:10] <yasahiro> java worked uber easy on my install of kubuntu...
[00:10] <ScorpKing> matt____: ok then. just comment gateway out
[00:10] <matt_____> laters
[00:11] <jared> yasahiro, how did u do it?
[00:11] <jared> I found that with Ubuntu, it didnt work but then I reinstalled and it did
[00:12] <yasahiro> i guess it just kinda... came with mine... i never installed it actually
[00:12] <jared> hmm
[00:13] <bahman> Hi everybody
[00:13] <jared> hi
[00:13] <bahman> How could I speedup my kubuntu booting?! And also do I need a difagrimenting program?!
[00:13] <tinin> It just works, maybe installing it frop a graphical package installer like adept or synaptic lets you accept the  license and then it will work jared
[00:13] <jared> omg, found it
[00:13] <bahman> jared hi
[00:13] <Dr_willis_> You dont defrag linux filesystems normally.
[00:14] <jared> there were these things I had to tick in ubuntu
[00:14] <jared> and I just found them =d
[00:14] <jared> *=D
[00:14] <Dr_willis_> as for speedup. you could disable unneeded services.. but i doubt if you will gain much speed
[00:14] <yasahiro> i wanna disable kwebdesktop..
[00:14] <tinin> :( next time RTFM first jared
[00:14] <yasahiro> its seriously annoying me :(
[00:14] <jared> RTFM?
[00:14] <tinin> seek that on google
[00:15] <NickPresta> jared, it means to read the manual.
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> I belive the check box for kwebdesktop was on  under the wallpaper settings on kde?  Not in kde at the moment..
[00:15] <yasahiro> it is
[00:15] <yasahiro> however
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> theres a area/settings to enable programs on the desktop. :) i used to use xearth all the time
[00:15] <yasahiro> i disabled it... but its still making the wallpaper... i cant get my anime images as wallpapers again :(
[00:15] <tinin> jared we try to be kind anyway ;)
[00:16] <jared> ergh, still not working
[00:16] <Dr_willis_> yasahiro,  you try logging out/backin after disabling it? Ive not toyed with it in ages.
[00:16] <yasahiro> yeah... i did try logging out and back in...
[00:16] <jared> :'(
[00:16] <jared> this isnt working
[00:16] <NickPresta> !doesn't work | jared
[00:16] <ubotu> jared: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[00:17] <yasahiro> if i create multiple desktops, however, those work... but the first one keeps using kwebdesktop..
 but exactly what are you trying to load?
[00:17] <jared> a java game called runescape
[00:17] <tinin> is it winblows specific then?
[00:17] <jared> i can use it on ubuntu
[00:17] <jared> just not kubuntu
[00:18] <Dr_willis_> it shouldent matter  as to what desktop you are using.
[00:18] <tinin> if it works in *ubuntu it works in *ubuntu
 use firefox
[00:18] <Dr_willis_> give more info as to what its not doing properly perhaps.
[00:18] <tinin> or learn how to use java in linux
[00:18] <jared> i'll install firefox then
[00:18] <jared> well I worked it out in Ubuntu
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> its a game that runs in a browser? or a stand alone java program?
[00:19] <jared> but kubuntu seems so much different
[00:19] <jared> runs ina  browser
[00:19] <tinin> so much easier
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> Linux is all about layers and legos. :)
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> You proberly want to run it inside firefox then
[00:19] <jared> k, i'll install FF
 I run my java apps directly
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> I like Puzzlepirates :P
[00:19] <tinin> even you could launch them with a comand
[00:20] <jared> tinin, how?
[00:20] <tinin> well
[00:20] <tinin> I'm lazy to search
[00:20] <tinin> try with ff
[00:20] <tinin> firefox
[00:21] <jared> kk
[00:21] <jared> I used FF to get it working on ubuntu
[00:22] <yasahiro_> :(
[00:22] <CruCio> sup guys
[00:22] <CruCio> hey
[00:22] <CruCio> guys
[00:22] <CruCio> tell me about kubuntu
[00:22] <CruCio> is it an operating system ?
[00:23] <ardchoille> !kubuntu | CruCio
[00:23] <ubotu> CruCio: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[00:23] <CruCio> or its just a sofware that requires an operating syste, ?
[00:23] <CruCio> choille
[00:23] <tinin> http://www.runescape.com ? you're freak
[00:23] <CruCio> its the same as the ubuntu right ?
[00:23] <ScorpKing> nite guys
 try both
[00:24] <CruCio> am currently using ubuntu on my ps3
[00:24] <tinin> nice
[00:24] <CruCio> but am unable to install Java
[00:24] <tinin> well
[00:24] <CruCio> though its possible
[00:25] <CruCio> am going to go with the kubuntu
[00:25] <tinin> I guess it is not like an standard pc
 you won't get any difference
[00:25] <CruCio> actually
[00:25] <CruCio>  i would
[00:25] <CruCio> since
[00:26] <CruCio> when ur installing java
[00:26] <CruCio> merminal
[00:26] <CruCio> requires
[00:26] <tinin> ps3 has little ram isn't it slow to use as a pc?
[00:26] <CruCio> the cd
[00:26] <posingaspopular> !enter
[00:26] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[00:26] <Dr_willis_> ps3 linux - is VERY much a work in progress
[00:26] <CruCio> gutsy gibbon power+pciso
[00:26] <CruCio> to install
[00:26] <CruCio> which cannot be found any where(i checked)
[00:26] <CruCio> but for the kubunto
[00:26] <CruCio> it exists
[00:27] <CruCio> ok
[00:27] <tinin> CruCio: maybe you need java for power pc
[00:27] <Dr_willis_> CruCio,  we can read more then 4 words on a single line.. theres no need to chop it all up.
[00:27] <Dr_willis_> and I just saw a 'how to install java on the ps3 linux' howto at the psubuntu web site
[00:27] <tinin> he may be writting with the wiimote
[00:27] <Dr_willis_> tinin,  tats not a ps3 :)
[00:27] <tinin> really? XD
[00:28] <Dr_willis_> http://psubuntu.com/2007/02/13/howto-enable-java-for-firefox/
 ps3 has little ram, isn't it slow to use as a pc?
[00:28] <CruCio> no
[00:28] <CruCio> not at all
[00:28] <genii> nah
[00:28] <CruCio> its fast
[00:28] <Dr_willis_> and --> http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1571
[00:28] <CruCio> and easy
[00:29] <Dr_willis_> how to set up flash and java on the ps3 linux
[00:29] <yasahiro_> :( my wallpaper still isnt working..
[00:29] <xen_> Hey how do i get the ATi driver to work in Kubuntu? i enabled the restricted driver but everything is extrememly choppy/slow
[00:29] <genii> tinin: I have 7.04 Kubuntu running on a P2 with 128Mb ram and 4Gb hd
[00:29] <CruCio> thats the only problem the ps3 ubuntu has
[00:29] <xen_> i cant even use firefox/konqurer because of the choppyness
[00:29] <CruCio> installing
[00:29] <tinin> CruCio I heard the best desktop to use in ps is e17
[00:29] <CruCio> java and flash
[00:29] <tinin> check it out
[00:29] <CruCio> e17 ?
[00:29] <CruCio> what is that ?
[00:30] <tinin> just a very lighweight desktop
[00:30] <Dr_willis_> i find e17 to be a bit over hyped L:) same as its been hyped for the last 5+ years...
[00:30] <genii> nvm, ps3 <> p3    (I could use another mug of coffee apparently)
[00:30] <Dr_willis_> it used to be the 'heavyweight' desktop years ago.. now everything else has grown and its now lightweight. heh heh
[00:31] <mrdigital> anyone here like linuxmce?
[00:32] <yasahiro_> i just wanna remove kwebdesktop... or at least disable it... *sigh*
[00:32] <yasahiro_> ive tried restarting, logging out, ive tried disabling it before doing so...
[00:32] <Dr_willis_> yasahiro,  guess ya could look in the .kde direcory for the proper config files and remove them.
[00:32] <CruCio> kubuntu server is slow
[00:32] <Dr_willis_> but i got NO idea what config file it is.
[00:33] <Dr_willis_> I guess i could reboot to Kubuntu and look.. :)
[00:33] <CruCio> Willis ??
[00:33] <Dr_willis_> CruCio, ?????????????????????//
[00:33] <genii> Normally something like .kde/share/config/whaternamerc
[00:33] <CruCio> kubunto,ubuntu any diff ?
[00:33] <Dr_willis_> !kubuntuy
[00:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntuy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:33] <Dr_willis_> !kubuntu
[00:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[00:33] <tinin> CruCio are 3d supported in *ubuntu
[00:33] <tinin> ?
[00:33] <Dr_willis_> brb
[00:34] <CruCio> tinin ??
[00:34] <tinin> 3d
[00:34] <tinin> like 3d games or google earth?
[00:34] <CruCio> i think u should ask willis
[00:34] <CruCio> yea
[00:35] <tinin> I'm curious
[00:35] <CruCio> yes
[00:35] <Jucato> yasahiro_: in Configure Desktop, try to use "No Picture", click Apply, see if it changes to a blank color, then select Picture again
[00:35] <CruCio> ubuntu runs warcraft 3
[00:35] <tinin> CruCio the new kde4 would rock with 3d on a ps3
[00:35] <yasahiro_> no change...
[00:35] <yasahiro_> still the web page...
[00:36] <CruCio> kde4 ?
[00:36] <biovore> Isn't PS3 3d all software rendered with linux (sony locked the 3d stuff)
[00:36] <CruCio> well actually
[00:36] <Jucato> yasahiro_: weird... everything works fine here... but when you selected None, you were able to get a blank desktop?
[00:36] <CruCio> my ubuntu supports warcraft 3
[00:36] <tinin> CruCio just look at some youtube videos to see how it is
[00:37] <tinin> CruCio: also take a look at these links
[00:37] <tinin> http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=2339
[00:37] <yasahiro_> no... when i selected none, it stayed with the web page..
[00:37] <tinin> http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=2339
[00:37] <Jucato> yasahiro_: ok something terribly wrong there...
[00:38] <tinin> CruCio: its a PS3 homebrew project called MegaBox
[00:38] <CruCio> nice
[00:38] <CruCio> nice
[00:38] <illriginal> anyone know the script to combine movie clips
[00:39] <yasahiro_> im beginning to regret trying kwebdesktop...
[00:39] <CruCio> i hope we see alot of changes on ubuntu 8.04
[00:39] <yasahiro_> ive had linux since summer last year.... im not really too much of a newbie... but there are of course lots of places i still get stuck
[00:40] <Dr_willis_> yasahiro_,  lett see - i have it enavbled now...
[00:40] <Jucato> yasahiro_: ok... last try... open up ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc in a test editor
[00:40] <Dr_willis_> and i just uncheck the boxc and hit apply and it disables it.
[00:41] <Jucato> same here...
[00:41] <Jucato> yasahiro_: look for the part "BackgroundMode=" and see what it is set to
[00:41] <yasahiro_> well, its opened
[00:41] <Dr_willis_> yasahiro_,  you are saying that the wallpaper does not change back to a solid color?  You still see the web desktop eh?
[00:42] <yasahiro_> right..
[00:42] <Jucato> [08:42] <Jucato> yasahiro_: look for the part "BackgroundMode=" and see what it is set to
[00:42] <CruCio> Willis ?
[00:42] <yasahiro_> BackgroundMode=Program
[00:42] <CruCio> what os ur architecture ?
[00:42] <Jucato> yasahiro_: that's the problem... change "Program" to "Flat"
[00:42] <Dr_willis_> I have several machines running various 32bit linux disrtos.
[00:43] <Jucato> "that might be the problem"
[00:43] <yasahiro_> yay!
[00:43] <yasahiro_> it went to a solid colour
[00:43] <Jucato> now try to change wallpapers
[00:44] <yasahiro_> still solid colour... didnt change to the image
[00:44] <Dr_willis_> You need to check the 'use image '  i think
[00:44] <Jucato> wow, you have one funky config there :/
[00:45] <Dr_willis_> Cool.. thers a slideshow feature. :) Never seen that befor
[00:45] <Jucato> lol
[00:45] <Jucato> :)
[00:45] <Jucato> one of those desktop config stuff that GNOME doesn't have built-in
[00:45] <Jucato> (along with being able to use different wallpapers per desktop)
[00:46] <Jucato> yasahiro_: just out of curioisity, can you run this command in Konsole? ls -l ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc
[00:47] <yasahiro_> -rw------- 1 yasahiro yasahiro 11992 2008-01-21 17:47 /home/yasahiro/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc
[00:48] <Jucato> hm.. looks ok...
[00:48] <posingaspopular> Jucato: well in kde4 that doesn't work...
[00:48] <Jucato> posingaspopular: he's on kde3
[00:48] <Jucato> otherwise kwebdesktop wouldn't have even been a possible option
[00:48] <posingaspopular> ah i see.
[00:48] <rc-1> Hi, my printer isnt listed in the drivers for lexmerk, am i SOL?
[00:49] <yasahiro_> ...
[00:49] <yasahiro_> umm
[00:49] <yasahiro_> background colour isnt even changing..
[00:49] <barbara_> I am trying to mount a samba shared printer with a windows xp machine using net use lpt1 \\<IP_ADDRESS>\HP and it asks for a password. this is fine because I can enter my samba username and password and it connects however it doesn't work for the /persistant command to automatically mount it upon startup. can someone give me a hand?
[00:49] <yasahiro_> even when its set to no picture
[00:50] <ardchoille> rc-1: Have you seen this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[00:50] <Jucato> yasahiro_: somehow I'm having the feeling that your changes aren't getting written to the config file...
[00:50] <rc-1> no thx
[00:52] <ubuntu> sorry for not using pastebin..but on a livecd using weird stuff trying to fix my broken system. but could someone tell me if there is anything wrong/odd in my fstab.
[00:52] <ubuntu> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[00:52] <ubuntu> #
[00:52] <ubuntu> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[00:52] <ubuntu> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[00:52] <ubuntu> # /dev/sda1
[00:52] <ubuntu> UUID=9abf1fca-ddea-464b-a4cf-7b843969650a /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[00:52] <ubuntu> # /dev/sda5
[00:52] <yasahiro_> http://pastebin.com/d22d6b028
[00:52] <ubuntu> UUID=9b85f993-5be1-4a79-9e2b-c596114fedcf none            swap    sw              0       0
[00:52] <ubuntu> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec 0       0
[00:52] <ubuntu> <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/matt/Data /media/Server/ nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
[00:53] <Jared> back
[00:53] <Jared> im gonna try ff now
[00:53] <ubuntu> ok..pastebin...can someone tell me if there is anything wrong with my fstab?
[00:53] <ubuntu> ok..pastebin...can someone tell me if there is anything wrong with my fstab? http://pastebin.com/m5819893e
[00:54] <Dr_willis_> care to give us a CLUE as to the actual problem ubuntu ?
[00:54] <tinin> barbara_ there are lots of graphical configurators for samba, maybe that's something easier
[00:54] <Jared> ok, im still having problems with Java even with Firefox
[00:55] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,  you having nfs share problems?
[00:55] <Jared> I know what the problem is, but I don't know how to fix it
[00:55] <Dr_willis_> Jared,  whats the url to that game?
[00:55] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: ok...i tried to boot my system, and it wouldn't boot. it mentioned something about trying to load an image, but it not being there. like...from the swap, i think. i tried to start kdm and gdm,
[00:55] <Jared> www.runescape.com
[00:55] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: actually, i just setup that, but i removed the entry and tried to boo, and it wouldn't work.
[00:55] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,   - the os looks for a 'resume image' if it dont find one it goes and does a normal boot.
[00:55] <yasahiro_> Jucato: the change are being saved to the file..
[00:55] <yasahiro_> changes*
[00:56] <Jucato> hm... then why wouldn't it work? :(
[00:56] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: exactly, it said "normal boot", but then stood at a terminal login.
[00:56] <yasahiro_> http://pastebin.com/d22d6b028
[00:56] <yasahiro_> thats the file there....
[00:56] <tinin> barbara http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Smb4K?content=9814
[00:56] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,  you  mean it went to the console login, not the X login?
[00:56]  * Jucato checks
[00:56] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: yes....but sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start wouldn't work.
[00:56] <ubuntu> neither would gdm start
[00:56] <tinin> barbara_: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/smblansearch?content=41986
[00:57] <Jucato> yasahiro_: I notice you have set it to use different wallpapers for different desktops? are you sure you're applying/looking at the correct desktop?
[00:57] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,  which is saying that perhaps that X is missconfigured. or your video drivers are wrong. has it ever worked on this machine?
[00:57] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: i just finished setting up a nfs server, it worked fine, but when i went to reboot the client, tada! but..i removed the entry of nfs in fstab, but still wouldn't boot.
[00:57] <yasahiro_> right now, i have it back down to one
[00:57] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: oh yeah, it was working fine, untill i rebooted.
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,  the nfs stuff dosent have anything to do with X.
[00:58] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: think an nvidia xorg config would help? shall i post xorg?
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,  try the command 'startx'
[00:58] <yasahiro_> i set it back down to one before i copied that text
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> Jared,  - that game is working here fine.
[00:58] <ubuntu> well...i could do that..but i'll have to leave the live cd and try to boot....
[00:58] <Jucato> yasahiro_: can you pastebin the updated file again please?
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> Jared,  You may not have the proper java installed/setup ? try 'java -version' in the terminal.
[00:58] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: it also seemed to not wanna lettme use net after logging into console
[00:59] <ubuntu> i tried getting irssi from there, but it couldn't access.
[00:59] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu,  sounds like you got a lot of other issues going on.
[00:59] <yasahiro_> http://pastebin.com/d29d55f50
[01:00] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: but i'm on the machine right now in live, so i dunno. i messed around a lot with trying to get network shares to work, and then finaly someone walked me through nfs.
[01:01] <Jucato> yasahiro_: do you have multiple screens/monitors?
[01:01] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_: so i'm about to try and boot, startx and anything else advisable? how about this: i've not booted in a long time...is it possible that the kernel or whatever has been updated...so i need to recompile the official nvidia drivers?
[01:01] <yasahiro_> i did try a tv here, but it gave me a headache, so it was only plugged in for around 15 - 20 minutes
[01:02] <Jucato> when was this?
[01:02] <yasahiro_> however, i did have multiple virtual desktops (4) until this happened, then i moved it down to one
[01:02] <yasahiro_> that was lastnight
[01:03] <Jucato> hm... ok this is going to be sort of drastic. this will reset your desktop settings, but you'll have a backup just in case.
[01:03] <Jucato> "cd ~/.kde/share/config" then "mv kdesktoprc kdesktoprc.backup"
[01:03] <wesley> to wich path should i install flash?
[01:04] <yasahiro_> okay
[01:04] <yasahiro_> did that
[01:04] <Dr_willis_> Well as ubuntu left he just SHOWED us what his problem is...
[01:04] <genii> wesley: Do you mean where should you download it to?
[01:04] <Dr_willis_> Hes not using the nvidia drivers from the repos. thus the kernel update needs the nvidia drivers installed..
[01:04] <Jucato> yasahiro_: logout, and log back in
[01:04] <wesley> no where to install it i am install it using the file from adobe
[01:05] <yasahiro> okay
[01:05] <genii> wesley: On my box flash plugin appears in dir /usr/lib
[01:06] <yasahiro> done that now
[01:06] <genii> wesley: And /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[01:06] <Dr_willis_> I just cheat and found a .deb for flash that does work :) the bot has a  link to the thread in the 2nd flash factoid
[01:07] <yasahiro> and what i first noticed, is that a background is actually there
[01:07] <genii> Dr_willis_: Heh, nice
[01:07] <Jucato> yasahiro: so fixed?
[01:07] <yasahiro> YAY!!!
[01:07] <biovore> Anyone know if ubuntu repos will have this new flash version in it anytime soon?   I see people have made .debs but non are offical ubuntu debs..
[01:08] <yasahiro> my chihiro and matsuri wallpaper ^^ lol :P thank you so much ^^
[01:08]  * Jucato wonders from which anime
[01:08] <yasahiro> hani hani operation sanctuary
[01:08] <yasahiro> its a good anime
[01:09] <yasahiro> which reminds me
[01:10] <yasahiro> i must be getting back to it
[01:10] <yasahiro> since i have to finish that one, and then uta-kata, and then binchou-tan, and i also have anime after those that i never got around to watching
[01:11] <Jucato> oh... another shoujo thing... ok well have fun :)
[01:11] <yasahiro> lol
[01:11] <yasahiro> i like the nice fluffy ones :P
[01:11] <yasahiro> never did get into the mecha ones like gundam... or things like inuyasha or dragonball gt...
[01:12] <Jucato> heh anyway... that's a bit offtopic now :P
[01:12] <yasahiro> oh well, wrong convo to be talking about things like that... later! and thanks again, dr willis, and jucato, for helping me ^^
[01:12] <Dr_willis_> I watched all of the Inuyasha... :) egads that took forever.
[01:12] <Dr_willis_> Then it dident actually END. !
[01:12] <genii> Jucato: Gotta love it when ppl know how to pick up a hint LOL
[01:12] <yasahiro> of course it didnt :P
[01:12] <yasahiro> lol
[01:12] <yasahiro> wow
[01:13] <yasahiro> this suddenly turned into an anime chat
[01:13] <yasahiro> lol
[01:13] <yasahiro> ill go and let it go back to kubuntu help... see ya ^^
[01:13] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:14] <raghu_> wanted to know how to install ncurses and ncurses-devel package on kubuntu 7.10. how can u do that?
[01:14] <Dr_willis_> fire up the package manager, search for ncurses install the opackage
[01:14] <Dr_willis_> !find ncurses
[01:14] <ubotu> Found: lib64ncurses5, lib64ncurses5-dev, libncurses5, libncurses5-dbg, libncurses5-dev (and 16 others)
[01:15] <Dr_willis_>  libncurses5-dev  seems to be the package name
[01:15] <Dr_willis_> you proberly want to install some other developer tools as well. like build-essentials - if you havent allready
[01:16] <raghu_> i installed build-essentials
[01:16] <raghu_> my package manager is not able to find any matches for libncurses or anything similar
[01:17] <raghu_> i am using adept installer
[01:17] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install  libncurses5-dev  libncurses5
[01:18] <g2g591> Taghu_: adept_manager is the adept family package manager with the details
[01:19] <raghu_> libncurses5 is installed
[01:19] <raghu_> E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev
[01:20] <Dr_willis_> do an apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade
[01:20] <Dr_willis_> then try agian i guess..
[01:20] <CruCio> kubuntu and ubuntu no significant diff right ?
[01:20] <Dr_willis_> One has kde, other has gnome
[01:20] <biovore> yup.
[01:20] <Jared> how do I register?
[01:20] <Dr_willis_> You can install gnome onkubuntu, or kde on ubuntu.. so it dont matter much
[01:20] <CruCio> good
[01:20] <CruCio> good
[01:21] <CruCio> willis , they all uses the sudo right ?
[01:21] <biovore> yup
[01:21] <Dr_willis_> sudo is a common linux feature.
[01:21] <CruCio> ok
[01:21] <g2g591> CruCio: Kubuntu is slightly behind with plug and play printers and a few other things, but they will catch up next release
[01:21] <CruCio> am going to delete the ubuntu and install kubuntu
[01:21] <raghu_> still it cannot find the package
[01:21] <Jared> how do I register?
[01:22] <g2g591> CruCio: don't bother, just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <genii> CruCio: When running graphical apps the gui sudo commands differ however
[01:22] <g2g591> Jared /msg nickserv register password
[01:22] <genii> kdesu gksu   et al
[01:22] <CruCio> hmm
[01:22] <Dr_willis_> kde4 has kdesudo :)
[01:22] <CruCio> so it will delete the ubuntu
[01:22] <Jucato> Dr_willis_: other way around
[01:22] <CruCio> and install the kubuntu instead ?
[01:22] <genii> Dr_willis_: Nice
[01:22] <Dr_willis_> CruCio,  theres no need to DELETE anything
[01:23] <biovore> CruCio: the differeance is a package..
[01:23] <genii> Dr_willis_: kdesudo seemed broken before
[01:23] <g2g591> CruCio: no, that apt will install them both, they live quite peacefully together
[01:23] <Dr_willis_> You can have Ubuntu and kubuntu both installed at the same time.
[01:23] <biovore> CruCio: you can run both kde and gnome and xfce at the same time.. just install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc
[01:23] <genii> You can even run applications from one while inside the other
[01:23] <Jucato> genii: I don't think kdesudo has been ported to kde4 yet... and kdesudo is being actively maintained/fixed
[01:24] <genii> Jucato: You mean kdesu not ported to kde4 yet? I'm confused a bit now
[01:24] <CruCio> why run them both when them both are the same ?
[01:24] <Dr_willis_> theres a kdesudo command in kde4 i thouhg.  I thought it was a   script/wrorkaround however.
[01:24] <genii> CruCio: They are not the same
[01:24] <Dr_willis_> you can run gnome apps under kde, and kde apps under gnome - it dosent matter.
[01:25] <CruCio> thanks willis
[01:25] <raghu_> Dr_willis_: still apt-get complains E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev
[01:25] <genii> CruCio: The stuff underneath which happens at command line remains reasonably the same throughout all *buntu but gnome and kde are very different animals
[01:25] <Dr_willis_> raghu_,  your sources.list file may need to be corrected.
[01:25] <Dr_willis_> !easysource
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easysource - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <Dr_willis_> Hmm.. what is that url.
[01:26] <Jucato> genii: kdesudo is a (so far Kubuntu-only) utility that uses sudo by default and behaves exactly like sudo. kdesu is a KDE utility that (recently) can either use su or sudo as backends (in Kubuntu it uses sudo). kdesu exists in KDE 4. but kdesudo doesn't
[01:26] <Dr_willis_> !source
[01:26] <CruCio> kubuntu comes with the kde right ?
[01:26] <genii> Jucato: Ah, OK. Dr_willis confoozled me then earlier
[01:26] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[01:26] <Dr_willis_> K = Kde in K ubuntu
[01:26] <CruCio> Willis how do i download gnome
[01:26] <CruCio> in ubuntu
[01:26] <CruCio> sudo apt-get gnome ?
[01:26] <CruCio> install*
[01:26] <Jucato> Ubuntu uses GNOME
[01:27] <Dr_willis_> install gnome-desktop like the guy said earlier.
[01:27] <Dr_willis_> Oh wait its 'ubuntu-desktop' :)
[01:27] <genii> CruCio: ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop are larger packages which each include the neccesary window managers in the list of packages they install
[01:27] <CruCio> ok then
[01:27] <CruCio>  i shall install
[01:27] <Jucato> Ubuntu = GNOME; Kubuntu = KDE; Xubuntu = Xfce. those are just the defaults. you can mix and match to your heart's content
[01:27] <CruCio> kubuntu anddownload ubuntu-desktop on it
[01:28] <genii> CruCio: You just need: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:28] <CruCio> dude, if am installing kubuntu and deleting ubuntu
[01:28] <CruCio> its for a reason
[01:28] <genii> CruCio: Then at login prompt choose KDE for Session Type
[01:28] <Dr_willis_> theres no need to 'delete' ubuntu
[01:28] <CruCio> its because i don't have the original CD rom
[01:28] <CruCio> i lost it
[01:29] <CruCio> when i try installing java terminal asks for the original os rom
[01:29] <CruCio> OS CD
[01:29] <CruCio> which i don't have
[01:29] <sstchur> I'm trying to find a .iso download of Kubuntu that has KDE4?  I tried hardy-alternate-i386.iso from kubuntu.org website, but it installed with 3.5, and I didn't see KDE4 as an option in the login screen or anything.  What am I doing wrong?
[01:29] <Dr_willis_> CruCio,  that has nothing to do with it. :) you can easially fix that.
[01:29] <Jucato> go for it Dr_willis_!
[01:29] <Dr_willis_> remove the cdrom from the sources listing .
[01:29] <CruCio> Willis , don't forget am using a ps3
[01:29] <Jucato> (next time, it would help if you told what the real problem is :D)
[01:30] <biovore> !ps3
[01:30] <Jucato> it doesn't matter where you're using it :)
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:30] <Jucato> biovore: PlayStation 3
[01:30] <Dr_willis_> CruCio,  i have pasted some urls on installung java on the  ps3. from the psubuntu web site. Yave you read those?
[01:30] <basy> Hi, I have problem: after 5 min my screensaver strarts with no problem, but after another 5 minutes monitor turns off, what is supposed for that?
[01:30] <genii> CruCio: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list   then insert a # before the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list             then ctrl-x to exit, choose Y to save change, Enter/Return to choose same name to save under
[01:31] <Dr_willis_> http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1571 Installing java on the ps3.
[01:32] <TheWhiteRook> does anyone know how to get juK working in KDE4?
[01:32] <Tm_T> how it doesn't work?
[01:32] <TheWhiteRook> it tells me that it can't find the right "demultiplexer" plugin
[01:32] <Jucato> install it?
[01:32] <Tm_T> as in, what exactly you are asking
[01:33] <Jared> Java still won't install, any1 know how I can get it to install?
[01:33] <TheWhiteRook> when I try to play a song, it either does nothing, skips to the next song, or tells me it can't find the right "demultiplexer" plugin
[01:34] <tinin> Jared are you still asking the same?
[01:34] <Dr_willis_> Jared,  have you read the ps3 wiki pages on java ? [01:34] <Jared> im not installing it on ps3
[01:34]  * genii ponders the demultiplexer
[01:34] <Jared> and yes tinin, it is still the same
[01:34] <tinin> ok
[01:34] <g2g591> Jared: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin ?
[01:34] <Jared> will try
[01:34] <CruCio> that didn't work
[01:35] <tinin> that's been done
[01:35] <Dr_willis_> i always install the  kubuntu-restricted-extras package to get java
[01:35] <CruCio> ohh
[01:35] <tinin> maybe it installs version 5
[01:35] <CruCio> yea i tried that extras packages
[01:35] <Jared> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
[01:35] <CruCio> it asked me for my CD OS
[01:35] <tinin> sun-java5-plugin
[01:35] <CruCio> it stoped installing at 99%
[01:35] <Jared> didnt work
[01:35] <Dr_willis_> you need to remove the cdrom from the /etc/apt/sources.list file, then rerun 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:36] <g2g591> CruCio: just put a # infront of your cd rom entry in the file the Dr mentioned
[01:36] <CruCio> how do i do that ?
[01:36] <sime_> can i install windows xp onto kubuntu
[01:36] <genii> CruCio: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list   then insert a # before the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list             then ctrl-x to exit, choose Y to save change, Enter/Return to choose same name to save under
[01:36] <Dr_willis_> You can install XP inside vmware, or virtual box.
[01:36] <sime_> Dr_willis_: wat does that mean
 try virtualbox, it's very easy to install
[01:37] <CruCio> hmm
[01:37] <Jared> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
[01:37] <Dr_willis_> You install vmware, or virtual box.. then install  the OS inside them
[01:37] <Dr_willis_> !vmware
[01:37] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[01:37] <Dr_willis_> !virtualbox
[01:37] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[01:37] <Dr_willis_> isent the proper java version up to 6 now?
[01:37] <Dr_willis_> !java
[01:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:37] <sime_> Dr_willis_: is virtual box free
[01:37] <biovore> I think it is
[01:38] <Dr_willis_> read what the bot just said...
[01:38] <Jared> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
[01:38] <CruCio> genii
[01:38] <Dr_willis_> !find sun-java6-plugin
[01:38] <ubotu> Found: sun-java6-plugin
[01:38] <CruCio> fow how long do you plan stayin in here ??
[01:38] <genii> CruCio: Yes?
[01:38] <Dr_willis_> !info sun-java6-plugin
[01:38] <ubotu> sun-java6-plugin (source: sun-java6): The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-03-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 80 kB
[01:38] <CruCio> i will be back later ok ?
[01:38] <tinin> sime_ it's free, look in their webpage for further info
[01:38] <CruCio> so u can repeat what u said
[01:38] <Dr_willis_>  Jared  you may need to enable the multiverse repository
[01:38] <genii> CruCio: At least another hour or so
[01:38] <biovore> he have universe enabled?
[01:38] <CruCio> i'd have to log on my ubuntu
[01:38] <Jared> dr_willis  how do i enable the multiverse repository
[01:39] <Dr_willis_> !multiverse
[01:39] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:39] <Jared> hmph k
[01:39] <Dr_willis_> adept proberly has some check box's to do it also.
 you still need to learn about managing repositories, it's easy
[01:40] <Dr_willis_> or run that 'add/remove programs' icon  - it has a manage repositories thing also
[01:40] <mefisto__> is the screen resolution keyboard shortcut (ctrl-alt- +/-) no longer working in gutsy?
[01:40] <Jared> dr_willis_ I enabled all the repositories in the add/remove
[01:40] <Dr_willis_> K -> add/remove programs -> Edit software sources
[01:41] <Dr_willis_> Jared,   refresh the sources list then.
[01:41] <tinin> it will be that i guess XD
[01:42] <Jared> k
[01:42] <Dr_willis_> I normally install the ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:42] <Dr_willis_> that grabs java and mp3 stuff and other things
[01:42] <CruCio> hopefully kubuntu would work good for me
[01:43] <genii> mefisto__: Works on mine. Are you using the numberpad + and - ?
[01:43] <Jared> how do I install the restricted extras?
[01:43] <palomo> hola
[01:43] <palomo> alguien habla español??
[01:43] <Jared> i think ive done sumthing... and i think/ hope its good
[01:43] <genii> !es
[01:44] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:44] <israel> sip yo
[01:44] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:44] <Dr_willis_> is how i do it. :)
[01:44] <Jared> kk
[01:44] <Dr_willis_> I dont use the adept tool much
[01:44] <Jared> will try in a second
[01:44] <melanie> ok so i'm having an issue with amarok
[01:44] <Jared> join #amarok for help mel D
[01:44]  * CruCio shakes Willis's hands
[01:44] <melanie> it won't create a lockfile...
[01:44] <melanie> i'm in amarok
[01:45] <melanie> #amarok rather
[01:46] <TheWhiteRook> I'm irritated cuz amarok would break things if it installed
[01:46] <melanie> and no one had any ideas
[01:46] <TheWhiteRook> in KDE4
[01:46] <melanie> so i thought someone here would have an idea
[01:46] <melanie> TheWhiteRook: kde4 isn't really 'ready' to be a desktop WM anyways
[01:47] <Dr_willis_> try making a new user and see if it works for them.
[01:47] <melanie> you mean a new user for ubuntu?
[01:47] <Dr_willis_> yes.. not sure any other way to  make a new user.. :P
[01:47] <TheWhiteRook> melanie: I know. And it's slightly irritating
[01:47] <melanie> Dr_willis_: that's not a solution.
[01:47] <Dr_willis_> melanie,  its a TEST to see
[01:48] <Dr_willis_> if it works for a new user. but not the old.. then its some settin thats messed up
[01:48] <limac> hey, whenever I am tring to exit dolphin there is this error message saying: Unable to save bookmarks in /home/limac/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[01:48] <Dr_willis_> if its affecting all users.. then theres some deeper bug going on.
[01:48] <limac> how to fix that
[01:48] <limac> ?
[01:49] <melanie> Dr_willis_: can't i just run amarok as root?
[01:49] <Dr_willis_> melanie,  you could try... not sure what that would prove.  :)
[01:49] <melanie> well i really don't want to create another user
[01:49] <limac> anyone?
[01:50] <Dr_willis_> since root can write anywhere. that wont show if its the users home dir that has a permission issue or not.
[01:50] <tinin> melanie kde4 works great as a wm right now ;P
[01:50] <tinin> some bugs
[01:50] <melanie> tinin: i didn't say it doesn't work... it's just not ready to be a desktop WM... like for everyday use for everyone
[01:50] <Dr_willis_> limac,  i would say check the permissions on the files/dirs in  the  /home/limac/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml path
[01:50] <melanie> Dr_willis_: well if it's a permissions issue, shouldn't a chmod 777 or chown <myuser> take care of it?
[01:50] <limac> alright thx Dr_willis
[01:50] <Dr_willis_> melanie,  thats rather... drastick
[01:50]  * CruCio Pats melanie
[01:51] <melanie> don't pat me
[01:51] <genii> limac: sudo chown limac /home/limac/.kde/apps/d3lphin/*
[01:51] <Dr_willis_> sort of like killing a fly with a shotgun, and not looking for the actual problem. Do what you want.
[01:51] <limac> genii: thx
[01:51] <tinin> melanie well, I tried the 4.0, and I'm still using it, it is very nice and works very well yet
[01:51] <melanie> Dr_willis_: well i think creating another user just to test ipod working is an even worse soltuion
[01:51] <melanie> if it's a permissions issue, that should be taken care of
[01:52] <limac> genii: it says no such file or directory
[01:52] <Dr_willis_> melanie,  its a 10 sec test.   to prove its not a system problem. but a user problem.
[01:52] <melanie> ok i'll try it
[01:52] <genii> limac: Also refrain from doing things like: sudo d3lphin in future
[01:52] <melanie> i just hate having crap all over the system for no reason
[01:52] <Dr_willis_> delete the user afterwards
[01:52] <genii> limac: then instead: sudo chown -R limac /home/limac/.kde/apps/d3lphin
[01:52] <melanie> yea, that won't delete ALL the stuff created from creating a new user
[01:53] <Dr_willis_> They just have a home dir.. and  anything else is handled by the commands that remove the user.
[01:53] <limac> genii: also says no such file or directory
[01:53] <melanie> ok new user created
[01:53] <melanie> loggin in with it now
[01:53] <limac> genii: will restarting my system work?
[01:53] <genii> limac: no
[01:53] <limac> hmmm
[01:54] <limac> so what can I do
[01:54] <genii> limac: then instead: sudo chown -R limac /home/limac; sudo chown -R limac /home/limac/.kde
[01:54] <melanie> uhm
[01:54] <Jared> I think I've got Java working
[01:54] <Jared> just hav to download
[01:55] <melanie> so i created a new user, but it won't let me login with it lol
[01:55]  * genii hands Jared a mug of coffee
[01:55] <Jared> lol
[01:55] <Jared> it's only taken like 6 hours!
[01:55] <genii> laptop ding, afk looking for cord
[01:56] <Jared> lol
[01:56] <limac> genii: there is such a file if I navigate thru dolphin, so is there a way for me to fix it thru there?
[01:56] <melanie> i go k menu -> switch user -> start new session
[01:56] <Jared> wtf this java download is so slow
[01:56] <melanie> kicks me to a login screen, i go to login with the new user and it takes me back to this session
[01:56] <CruCio[IPHONE]> Melanie , you're on kubuntu ps3 ?
[01:57] <melanie> ps3?
[01:57] <melanie> i'm on kubuntu 7.10
[01:57] <CruCio[IPHONE]> playstation 3
[01:57] <Dr_willis_> This sounds like some deeper permission issues going on. You might want to try logging out completely and  just logging in as the new user.
[01:57] <melanie> alright...
[01:57] <CruCio[IPHONE]> hmm
[01:57] <genii> limac: Not sure. Likely it's cached until you exit
[01:57] <CruCio[IPHONE]> is ur kubuntu installed on a ps3 ?
[01:58] <melanie> uhm no
[01:58] <melanie> why would it be
[01:58] <CruCio[IPHONE]> ok
[01:58] <limac> genii: so how can i get rid of this?
[01:58] <melanie> and why would you assume it would be lol
[01:58] <CruCio[IPHONE]> because mine is
[01:58] <Dr_willis_> its been ps3 day today on the linxu channels for some reason
[01:58] <melanie> well that's a safe assumtion
[01:58] <genii> limac: Did you actually try the: sudo chown -R limac /home/limac; sudo chown -R limac /home/limac/.kde          ?
[01:58] <melanie> alright i'll try to logout
[01:59] <limac> genii: yeah, but hold on I think I kinda got it (how to fix it)
[01:59] <genii> limac: If you actually do own that stuff and not root or someone else, it may need to be made writeable
[02:00] <limac> genii: nm, I fixed it w/your help. BTW what does chown and chown R do?
[02:00] <limac> *chown -R
[02:01] <genii> limac: chown means to change ownership. -R means recursively do it
[02:01] <limac> ah! thx genii, i really appreciate your help ;)
[02:01] <genii> limac: You're welcome. Please try not to run any file managers with sudo, always use kdesu instead
[02:02] <Jared> y is java6 taking so long to download? I have adsl 2+
[02:02] <limac> alright
[02:02]  * CruCio[IPHONE] Pats Melanie
[02:02] <genii> CruCio[IPHONE]: She already told you she doesn't appreciate that
[02:05] <Jared> argh this is sooo slow!
[02:05] <Jared> im going, thanks every1 for ur help
[02:06] <genii> Must be on dialup
[02:06] <cryonv> Can someone help get my eth0 and eth1 straightened out...
[02:06] <NickPresta> cryonv, what seems to be the problem?
[02:07] <kiba> 3~http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52965/
[02:07] <kiba> I tried to upgrade to kde4 before it is packaged, thinking it is already packaged already
[02:07] <kiba> and was presumely installing a test version of kde4
[02:08] <cryonv> NickPresta, great question. Half the time I can't seem to turn eth1 (not connected) off (ifconfig eth1 down) and when I do get it down.. eth0 doesn't seem to be working
[02:08] <cryonv> NickPresta, I've checked my route and made sure there was a default gw...
[02:08] <genii> kiba use the --reinstall switch to ignore existing files it wants to write
[02:09] <cryonv> NickPresta, I've even tried the KNetworkManager interface, but it doesn't appear tohelp
[02:10] <genii> cryonv: Do yu have in fact 2 ethernet adapters?
[02:10] <cryonv> genii: Yes. Two gig ports...
[02:11] <genii> cryonv: Hmm. try: ifconfig eth2 up          and tell me if it thinks you have an eth2
[02:11] <genii> sudo ifconfig eth2 up                  that is
[02:12] <cryonv> eth2:ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[02:12] <genii> cryonv: OK. Means eth0 for instance wasn't reassigned to eth2 or similar situation then
[02:13] <cryonv> genii: True... Right now I've got eth0 up.. (and of course loopback)
[02:13] <cryonv> But it's not seeing the world..
[02:14] <genii> cryonv: Did you statically set them or do they have some automatic entry in /etc/network/interfaces to just get an ip
[02:15] <cryonv> genii: eth0 is a static setting...
[02:15] <genii> NickPresta: Sorry if I hijacked on you
[02:15] <NickPresta> genii, it's okay. I had to run downstairs to get something. You provided more help than I could :)
[02:15] <cryonv> LOL... Personally thank you both... It's been a while since I've been on here helping out... and this one has got me stumped...
[02:16] <genii> NickPresta: Ah, all good then :)
[02:16] <genii> cryonv: So when you take down eth1 eth0 goes with it, seems?
[02:17] <genii> cryonv: Did you install bonding at some point?
[02:17] <genii> like ifenslave  or such
[02:17] <cryonv> genii: Not really. I can take down eth1 *sometimes*, other times it appears to deallocate it's IP address and wait for re-allocation... eth0 goes down... and comes up with ifconfig.. however.. there doesn't appear to be anybody home... :(
[02:18] <cryonv> genii: That program is not currently installed.
[02:18] <genii> cryonv: Ok, good (that it's not installed)
[02:19] <cryonv> I'm thinking I got something screwed up royally in the network manager... OR that KDE and gnome have become hazardous to eachother...
[02:19] <genii> cryonv: Just on a hunch here...did you make your own cables?
[02:19] <cryonv> LOL.. yes, but I was connecting earlier on the same machine... I was going from Ubuntu and installing KDE overtop...
[02:20] <thomas_newbie__> can someone help me I can't get My apache2 server to work on localhost
[02:20] <thomas_newbie__> whenever i do mysite.com/~username It takes me to a page but localhost doesn't work
[02:21] <CruCio[IPHONE]> Genii
[02:21] <CruCio[IPHONE]> brb ok
[02:21] <CruCio[IPHONE]> stay
[02:21] <genii> cryonv: I had a similar issue was driving me crazy two weeks ago and it was because I didn't wire the plugs in EIA568A or 568B on cat5e cabling. dhcp was sporrty as hell even at distances of 30-40 feet
[02:21] <cryonv> thomas_newbie: what happens when you type in <IP_ADDRESS>/~username
[02:22] <rc-1> in bash what command reads a line?
[02:22] <kiba> no such switch as  sudo apt-get --reinstall
[02:22] <kiba> no such switch as  sudo apt-get --reinstall
[02:22] <kiba> no such switch as apt-get --reinstall
[02:23] <kiba> whoops
[02:23] <kiba> sorry
[02:23] <stdin> kiba: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install <package>"
[02:23] <kiba> my irssi was scrolled up
[02:23] <supersako> if i have ubuntu installed already and i just add kubuntu-desktop... is there a performance hit running kde this way? or will it be the same as if i uninstalled everything and just install kubuntu?
[02:23] <what_if> what program controls the multimedia keys in kubuntu ??
[02:24] <stdin> supersako: there's no difference
[02:24] <kiba> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[02:25] <kiba> it still tell me though
[02:25] <cryonv> genii: Any more ideas?
[02:25] <kiba> any idea?
[02:25] <Datalanche> Hey guys.... I have question about the proprietary driver's xvmc acceleration. Does it only accelerate certain codecs or does it just do the whole xv layer, not caring what codec it is?
[02:25] <kiba> sudo apt-get -f install won't work
[02:25] <Datalanche> nvidia card, I mean, sorry
[02:26] <justin_> why wont kubuntu allow me to install any programs from adept
[02:26] <genii> cryonv: Can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces   also /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:27] <genii> cryonv: dhclinet.conf is assuming eth1 is set for dhcp
[02:27] <genii> *dhclient
[02:27] <cryonv> genii: LOL... Let me see what I can do... After all it's not talking to the network...
[02:27]  * kiba is sad
[02:27] <kiba> make me want to buy ubuntu tech support
[02:27] <justin_> can someone help me out
[02:27] <genii> cryonv: Yep I understand
[02:28] <jared> ok, im annoyed
[02:28] <jared> I spent almost an hour downloading the java6 thing from the adept manager
[02:28] <justin_> it wont let me d/l anything
[02:29] <justin_> from adept manager.  it is very strange
[02:29] <jared> then when it went to install, it wldnt install!
[02:30] <genii> cryonv: just aditional info: for EIA568B wiring cable order left to right looking at contact side of plug and not where the plastic clip is: orng-wht/orng/grn-wht/blue/blue-wht/grn/brn-wht/brn
[02:31] <cryonv> Genii: True... Orange, Split the green, flip the blue, brown
[02:32] <tinin> jared is not your day ;)
[02:32] <jared> i kno grr
[02:32] <jared> u kno y it isnt working?
[02:32] <jared> and y it took almost an hour to download 32MB?
[02:32] <tinin> wich version of kubuntu are you using?
[02:33] <tinin> 7.10
[02:33] <supersako> guys, i am a software/web developer.. what DE do the devs here use? Gnome or KDE ( i dont want to start a flame war i just need advice for my needs)
[02:33] <tinin> ?
[02:33] <jared> 7.10
[02:33] <tinin> installed?
[02:33] <jared> wha?
[02:33] <jared> oh, yea installed not on live cd
[02:33] <tinin> jared is it installed or are you running it from the cd?
[02:33] <tinin> ok
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> supersako- what programs do you use for development?
 have you got gnome installed?
[02:34] <jared> no
[02:35] <NickPresta> supersako, take a look at Aptana. it's a great IDE for CSS/HTML/JavaScript and has plugins for Ruby and Rails as well as PHP. http://aptana.com/
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Bunch of guys where I work use Aptana, and they all like it
[02:35] <sub[t]rnl> supersako➜ #kubuntu  Pretty safe bet that the majority here use and prefer KDE.
[02:36] <tinin> Kde does not get as much love as gnome here in ubuntu :(, in ubuntu (gnome) when you surf to a web that needs flash or java, it would install all you need. On kubuntu this may change for the next version I hope
[02:37] <thomas_newbie__> My Apache2 server init script is broken can anyone help to fix?
[02:37] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, what is broken about it?
[02:37] <jared> tinin, r u saying I can't run Java in kubuntu then?
[02:37] <tinin> no
[02:38] <jared> omg, now i can't even open the adept manager
[02:38] <tinin> I say it should'nt give you such headaches
[02:38] <jared> it isn't working...
[02:38] <Jucato> tinin: on Kubuntu, when you browse a page that needs flash in Konqueror, you'll be prompted if you want to install Flash. not so sure about Java.
[02:38] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: hey Nick. Apparently it doesn't start my apache2 service
[02:38] <jared> nothing is worjking
[02:38] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, any errors or output?
[02:38] <NickPresta> !doesn't work | jared
[02:38] <ubotu> jared: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:38] <jared> lol
[02:38] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: no errors
[02:39] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, post it in a !pastebin. I can take a quick look at it
[02:39] <jared> Ive spent the last 4 hours giving examples of how it doesnt work
[02:39] <jared> dunno how much more u want
[02:40] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: post what?
[02:40] <genii> Well, 32Mb in a long time IS working, just sloooowly
[02:40] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, the init.d script.
[02:41] <genii> thomas_newbie__: What script did you mean that was not working? One you made to start the webserver?
[02:41] <cryonv> Genii: Ok... where would you like the file again?
[02:41] <jared> it downloaded, but it wldnt install
[02:41] <jared> and now i cant even open the freaking adept manager
[02:41] <tinin> jared It may be somethig wrong, it is not normal, there must be somethig you missed or something you did wrong. If you have nothing important reinstall, it is just 10 min jared
[02:41] <jared> ive reinstalled twice
[02:41] <tinin> XD
[02:42] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: yes I assume the one that starts my webserver because: 'apache2ctl restart' works and sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start  doesn't work
[02:42] <NickPresta> jared, does Adept give you any errors?
[02:42] <jared> I can't open it
[02:42] <jared> it says its already running or sumthing
[02:42] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, is this the apache2 package from the repos or a compiled version and your custom init.d script?
[02:42] <NickPresta> !apt-fix | jared
[02:42] <ubotu> jared: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[02:42] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: from package
[02:42] <tinin> You can not use adep because it may be in use  the apt-get or aptitude commands jared
[02:43] <genii> cryonv: pastebin please
[02:43] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, hmm, strange. I just had a buddy install the apache2/php/mysql packages today. The init.d script worked fine. If you pastebin /etc/init.d/apache2 I can see if there is an error somewhere
[02:43] <genii> !paste|cryonv
[02:43] <ubotu> cryonv: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:43] <sub[t]rnl> jared➜ does a license agreement appear when you try to install java?
[02:44] <jared> it did
[02:44] <jared> i clicked next
[02:44] <jared> then next again
[02:44] <jared> then an error came up
[02:44] <Dr_willis_> Egads! you agreed to it!
[02:44] <Dr_willis_> :P
[02:44] <jared> and now i cant open adept
[02:44] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52966/
[02:44] <D> hello
[02:44] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: yesterday, I decided to make some changes and make PHP and MySQL working so I installed some of those packages
[02:45] <tinin> jared try launching: sudo adept_manager
[02:45] <tinin> from a konsole
[02:45] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: the funnny thing that happened was that APACHE 1.3 not apache2 took over the operations and I had to uninstall apache 1.3
[02:45] <jared> ive got adept manager running now
[02:45] <tinin> it will tell you something at least
[02:45] <bazhang> !aptfix | jared
[02:45] <ubotu> jared: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[02:45] <cryonv> Genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52967/
[02:45] <jared> i did that
[02:45] <Jucato> tinin: kdesu (or kdesudo) with GUI apps, never just sudo
[02:45] <sub[t]rnl> kdesudo would be better tinin
[02:45] <jared> and it worked
[02:45] <D> Hi guys,  I was using firefox in kubuntu and pressed alt f4 and it dumped me in a console screen that said tty4 and since then i have no keyboard input.  It
[02:46] <Syn-> im trying to get Kubuntu-7.10-amd64 to install on a Dell XPS 720 (Q6600 + nvidia 8800 w/ 4GB memory) and it seems the X drivers are out of date, even with safe mode it doesn't work
[02:46] <D> 's like ctrl is stuck. any help?
[02:46] <Syn-> is there a work around documented somewhere?
[02:46] <cryonv> D: ALT-F7
[02:46] <Syn-> :[
[02:46] <tinin> Jucato: sub[t]rnl why not just sudo?
[02:46] <D> will try cryonv
[02:46] <Jucato> !kdesu | tinin
[02:46] <ubotu> tinin: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"!  I think I have it... When you boot what does it give you? Does it dump you to a prompt?
[02:51] <jared> omg its working
[02:51] <cryonv> genii: Any ideas on my problem?
[02:51] <jared> im in an installer for java
[02:52] <Syn-> i tried the Kubuntu-KDE4-x86 test release and that actually worked, though i had a drive issue and decided id rather go with the stable version in 64bit mode
[02:52] <tinin> jared just be patient, "first times hurt" but in a few weeks you'll rule with linux
[02:52] <jared> I ticked the agree box and clicked next
[02:52] <jared> now its installing
[02:52] <jared> every1 cross ur fingers for me!
[02:52] <tinin> middle finger up...
[02:52] <jared> lol
[02:53] <genii> cryonv: Nothing new atm.
[02:53] <jared> omg, it installed
[02:53] <cryonv> Syn: I'm running the 7.10 x64 (AMD) version...
[02:54] <BluesKaj> yeah jared, been using linux so long , i can't help my windoes friends cuz i'm forgetting how to fix stuff in it
[02:54] <jared> how do u make ur writing red to me
[02:54] <tinin> XD
[02:54] <Dr_willis_> jared,  we dont
[02:54] <tinin> XD jared
[02:54] <Dr_willis_> jared,  your irc client does. :)
[02:54] <BluesKaj> by using your nick in the sentence, jared
[02:54] <cryonv> genii: OK... I'm not above blowing away the install... (installed today) and starting from scratch...
[02:54] <jared> oh lol
[02:55] <tinin> now play
[02:55] <cryonv> Syn: And....
[02:55] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, it looks okay, I don't see why it wouldn't start. Would it be a big deal to purge remove apache2
[02:55] <jared> the computer is now heaps slow after I installed the java...
[02:55] <jared> lets hope it works
[02:56] <tinin> java is slow
[02:56] <jared> didnt work :D
[02:56] <Syn-> cryonv: yeah it worked with the hard hardy alpha 2 release, im gonna download alpha 3 and go with that
[02:56] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: I thought I did that but I guess I can do it again
[02:56] <cryonv> Syn: hang on a sec...
[02:56] <Syn-> cryonv rahter then force this to work by updating drivers or editing files, i do enough of that for work
[02:56] <cryonv> What do you get when you boot?
[02:56] <genii> cryonv: Could be driver for the nic
[02:56] <Syn-> after the boot menu it says kernel active
[02:56] <Syn-> then the screen goes blank
[02:57] <Syn-> then the monitor goes into power save mode
[02:57] <genii> cryonv: My Yukon adapter kept cutting out before for instance
[02:57] <cryonv> Syn: Ok... enjoy... Alpha's usually are a joy...
[02:57] <CruCio> good
[02:57] <cryonv> NOT
[02:57] <jared> will install more java things
[02:57] <cryonv> genii: OK.. I'll look into it.
[02:57] <jared> bye
[02:58] <cryonv> Well folks... I gotta go run off in to the darkness... At least it's snowing and not what it could be... -20... Ug...
[02:58] <Syn-> yeah i typically am not an alpha runinng type of person but since an alpha today is 100000000x better then a stable distro release 13 years ago ill give it a shot
[02:58] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: alright i did this: sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2       and it did its thing..Am I still suppost to have all my apache2 files?
[02:59] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, I don't believe so.
[02:59] <cryonv> Syn: Isn't that the truth...
[02:59] <genii> cryonv: don't forget your mittens....
[02:59] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: lol well I have an apache2 folder with my files
[02:59] <cryonv> genii: LOL... Just wish I had an auto start on my car... grrr...
[02:59] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, sudo apt-get purge apache2. it should get rid of config files and such. the folders may still exist
[03:00] <genii> cryonv: I wish I had autostart on my peds
[03:00] <BluesKaj> sacktime here , nite folks
[03:00] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: that command not work
[03:01] <CruCio> Genii
[03:01] <CruCio> ok
[03:01] <CruCio> its asking for my CD
[03:01] <CruCio> what did you said i do ?
[03:01] <CruCio> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[03:01] <CruCio>  'Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release powerpc+ps3 (20071016)'
[03:01] <CruCio> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[03:01] <genii> CruCio: Well, before you run that where it even wants you to put the cd:
[03:02] <genii> CruCio: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list   then insert a # before the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list             then ctrl-x to exit, choose Y to save change, Enter/Return to choose same name to save under
[03:02] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: invalid operation purge
[03:02] <NickPresta> thomas_newbie__, then --purge remove should be fine
[03:03]  * cryonv wanders off into the dark snowy evening...
[03:03] <CruCio> genii , so i do this before even trying to install java
[03:03] <CruCio> right ?
[03:04] <genii> CruCio: Yes
[03:04] <CruCio> ok Genii
[03:04] <CruCio> i did it
[03:04] <CruCio> and it has open something calledGNU
[03:05] <CruCio> :| ??
[03:06] <CruCio> GNU nano 2.0.6                    File: /etc/apt/sources
[03:06] <genii> CruCio: Does it end with a $  like a shell prompt?
[03:07] <CruCio> nope
[03:07] <genii> CruCio: Ah, you just have nano open. do then the steps
[03:07] <CruCio> yes nano is opened
[03:07] <genii> CruCio: eg:    put a # in front of line that starts with cdrom
[03:07] <genii> CruCio: Then ctrl-x
[03:08] <genii> CruCio: Then Y to save
[03:08] <genii> CruCio: Then Enter to exit
[03:08] <CruCio> i don see any word that starts with cdrom
[03:08] <CruCio> honestly
[03:08] <CruCio> i see this
[03:08] <hdevalence> when I try to run Amarok I get
[03:09] <hdevalence> QObject::connect: Incompatible sender/receiver arguments
[03:09] <hdevalence>         StarManager::ratingsColorsChanged() --> ContextBrowser::ratingOrScoreOrLabelsChanged(const QString&)
[03:09] <CruCio> ]
[03:09] <CruCio> ^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos
[03:09] <CruCio> ^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where Is  ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell
[03:09] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: no luck nick :( i'm stuck
[03:09] <genii> sigh
[03:09] <D> hi guys, alt f7 didn't help getting my ctrl key un-stuck (i think pressing alt f4 started the whole mess, trying to close windows like in MS)  Any thoughts?
[03:09] <CruCio> there is nothing writtin in nano
[03:09] <genii> CruCio: then just hit ctrl-x
[03:10] <CruCio> ok
[03:10] <CruCio> now am back to terminal
[03:10] <genii> CruCio: I don't know much about the way the ps3 install is supposed to go. So you may want to visit the place recommended before http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7
[03:10] <genii> for the java install
[03:10] <CruCio> hmm
[03:11] <CruCio> genii , first i just open terminal and type in sudo nano etc... right ?
[03:11] <genii> CruCio: On regular ubuntu/kubuntu that file /etc/apt/sources.list contains lines which are sites to go and get packages from
[03:11] <genii> CruCio: No! Please, pay attention
[03:12] <jared> Java is working :D
[03:12] <jared> thanks heaps everyone that helped
[03:12] <CruCio> :(
[03:12] <genii> CruCio: Since your /etc/apt/sources.list file has no contents the ps3 way to install things must work in a different way
[03:12] <CruCio> :(
[03:12] <genii> CruCio: Have you even gone to go look at http://psubuntu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7           ??
[03:13] <CruCio> yes i have , genii
[03:13] <jared> How do I change the screen resolution? still haven't found everythign in KDE :P
[03:13] <CruCio> even when i googled
[03:13] <CruCio> and whenver i type in $ sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2 libstdc++5 java-package
[03:13] <CruCio> in terminal
[03:13] <CruCio> it asks me for my cd rom
[03:13] <jared> How do I change the screen resolution? still haven't found everythign in KDE :P
[03:13] <CruCio> before it can continue installation
[03:14] <thomas_newbie__> NickPresta: I have apache and Apache2 removed and purged. How come I am still able to run my server?
[03:14] <CruCio> jared ?
[03:14] <CruCio> are you using ps3 ?
[03:14] <jared> no
[03:14] <CruCio> :(
[03:14] <jared> lol
[03:14] <ardchoille> CruCio: Please try to form complete sentences, this aids in readability as well as helps to keep scrolling to a minimum.
[03:15] <genii> CruCio: So you went to the Sun website, registered there and downloaded the file ibm-java2-sdk-5.0-4.0-linux-ppc.tgz as the first step already?
[03:15] <jared> any1 know how I can change screen res?
[03:15] <CruCio> yes genii  have
[03:16] <genii> CruCio: OK wait 1 minute while I look into whether the ps3 kubuntu is supposed to have a blank sources.list
[03:17] <dappermuis> is it possible to delete old pgp keys from the public key servers?
[03:18] <genii> CruCio: OK. I have determined that your file is supposed to contain regular repository entries, there are no special ones apparently to put in. Since it is empty, go to source-o-matic and make a new one
[03:18] <genii> !source-o-matic | CruCio
[03:18] <ubotu> CruCio: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:20] <thomas_newbie__> I removed and purged apache2 and yet I can still use sudo apache2ctl restart to start the server. The normal init script doesnt work
[03:21] <justin_> my kubuntu will not let me install anything.  can somebody help me??
[03:22] <thomas_newbie__> justin_: have you tried apt-get?
[03:22] <justin_> yep
[03:22] <justin_> all i want to do is install firefox.  i am a linux noob and dont know how to compile anything
[03:23] <thomas_newbie__> justin_: I dont know what X Windows you have but go to adept package manager
[03:23] <sub[t]rnl> shouldn't need to compile any packages that are in the ubuntu repositories, justin
[03:23] <thomas_newbie__> justin_: Adept manager
[03:23] <sub[t]rnl> justin_➜ http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[03:23] <all_in_sane> \j #python
[03:23] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: you know anything about my problem?
[03:24] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ what was it again? you removed apache but you can still start it?
[03:24] <justin_> i tried the add remove programs app but everything is greyed out and it wont let me select anything
[03:25] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: yea, i removed it initially because my init script is not working. I wanted to re-install fresh and I removed and purged apache2 and apache. I am still able to start it :D and access pages. ?? HUH? ALl I want to do is make my init script work
[03:26] <thomas_newbie__> justin_: k menu -- system -- adept manager
[03:26] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ hrm, if its running and you can access pages, everything seems fine
[03:26] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[03:26] <justin_> i am there it is reloading
[03:27] <justin_> i srchd for firefox and it did not come up with anything
[03:27] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: HEHE, no I I have to do 'sudo apache2ctl restart'
[03:27] <hdevalence> when I try to run Amarok I get "
[03:27] <hdevalence> QObject::connect: Incompatible sender/receiver arguments
[03:27] <hdevalence>         StarManager::ratingsColorsChanged() --> ContextBrowser::ratingOrScoreOrLabelsChanged(const QString&)
[03:28] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ did the init scrip complain when you ran it?
[03:28] <ardchoille> justin_: Are you on Gutsy?
[03:28] <justin_> yea
[03:28] <hdevalence> and then it crashes
[03:28] <justin_> i fixed it i had to hit the fetch updates button
[03:28] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: negative
[03:28] <ardchoille> justin_: Fixed now?
[03:29] <justin_> yea]
[03:29] <ardchoille> justin_: Good job :)
[03:29] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ how did you know the init scrip wasn't working?
[03:29] <justin_> thnx
[03:29] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ script*
[03:29] <justin_> what about the system updates?? a good idea or not??
[03:30] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: I could not start up my webserver. Some guru on Apache told me to use 'sudo apache2ctl restart'
[03:30] <ardchoille> justin_: Always good to keep the system updated
[03:31] <justin_> ok.  i have been using windoze for years but i am very new to linux any tips or hints
[03:31] <bazhang> http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ justin
[03:32] <ardchoille> justin_: Bookmark this: http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/index/C/index.html
[03:32] <justin_> ok
[03:33] <ardchoille> justin_: You'll find Linux is a whole different ball game, but very rewarding :)
[03:34] <justin_> ok
[03:34] <batis610> I have an ATI RADEON video card X1650,, i tried many tutorials to install it with no result, so i formate my computer many times.... Now i'm asking those who have the same card PLEASE WICH TUTO DID FOLLOW TO INSTALL IT?
[03:34] <ardchoille> justin_: Here's another good site: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[03:34] <thomas_newbie__> Actually my Schools Linux Club is trying to think of some CRAZY Project to do with Linux
[03:34] <justin_> i am using it on a toshiba laptop.  what about power managementy
[03:34] <Tm_T> !caps | batis610
[03:34] <ubotu> batis610: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:35] <batis610> Tm_T: sorry :)
[03:35] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: ? hi?
[03:36] <sub[t]rnl> ?
[03:36] <thomas_newbie__> i answer back. no idea why?
[03:37] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ if its running and works, then call it good.  Or apt-get --purge it and reinstall, to see if that changes anything.  Not much information on what exactly the problem is with your init script if your saying that it doesn't complain when you run it. (if there even is a problem)
[03:37] <genii> batis610: Have you tried here? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[03:38] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: init script doesn't complain but doesn't start the server.
[03:38] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: I apt-get --purged remove apache2 already
[03:39] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ you didn't edit the apache2 script at all did you?
[03:39] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: well yes some
[03:39] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: not much
[03:39] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ odd that it wouldn't run it, the very first line of the script defines your shells paths.
[03:40] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ subtrnl.homelinux.com/apache2 <-- theres mine.  cp it to your /etc/init.d/ with proper permissions, then sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults
[03:41] <arrrghhh> ok so i installed kubuntu ontop of ubuntu really easy... why can't i remove it by just purging kubuntu-desktop?  it had no trouble installing everything by installing that one package...
[03:42] <jared> Me again :D
[03:42] <jared> more problems
[03:42] <arrrghhh> or is there an easy way to remove it?
[03:42] <jared> im in monitor & display settings and I can't change the screen size
[03:42] <jared> when I move the little thing, it says do you want to keep these settings
[03:42] <jared> but it hasn't changed
[03:43] <sub[t]rnl> arrrghhh➜ its a kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[03:43] <jared> any1 kno y?
[03:43] <jared> and how do I get this "metapackage"?
[03:43] <arrrghhh> ok
[03:43] <arrrghhh> i love kubuntu
[03:44] <jared> lol, u were talking to him
[03:44] <jared> im starting to like kubuntu too
[03:44] <arrrghhh> i'm converting someone to linux, and kubuntu has worked great on every machine.. until this one
[03:44]  * genii hands sub[t]rnl the large bottle of ibuprofen
[03:44] <arrrghhh> and ubuntu worked fine
[03:44] <batis610> genii: i'll try it
[03:44] <jared> can sum1 help me?
[03:44] <sub[t]rnl> genii➜ :>
[03:44] <arrrghhh> but i installed the kubuntu-desktop package and hoped i could get it working, but no... and i'm giving up and going back to gnome because it works.  now i want to remove everything KDE on the system.  the menus are clogged to crap!
[03:44] <batis610> sometimes kubuntu start in console mode..... how to avoid this
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> arrrghhh➜ sudo apt-get remove adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater akregator amarok amarok-xine apport-qt ark arts debtags digikam dolphin enscript fftw3 foomatic-db-gutenprint gdebi-kde gnupg-agent gpgsm gtk-qt-engine gwenview hplip-gui hwdb-client-kde ijsgutenprint k3b kaddressbook kaffeine kaffeine-xine kamera karm katapult kate kbstate kcontrol kcron kde-guidance
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> kde-guidance-powermanager kde-icons-mono kde-style-polyester kde-systemsettings kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdebluetooth kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-kresources kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdesudo kdm kdnssd keep kfind kghostview
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> khelpcenter kicker kio-apt kio-locate kio-umountwrapper kipi-plugins klipper kmag kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmilo kmix kmousetool kmplayer-base kmplayer-konq-plugins knetworkconf knotes konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole kontact konversation kooka kopete korganizer kpdf kpf kppp krdc krfb kscreensaver ksmserver ksnapshot ksplash ksplash-engine-moodin ksvg ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog ktorrent kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-docs kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts kvkbd kwalletmanager kwin kwin-style-crystal language-selector-qt libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1c2a libartsc0 libaudio2 libavahi-qt3-1 libclucene0 libcluceneindex0 libdbus-qt-1-1c2 libept0 libexiv2-0 libflac++6 libgmp3c2 libgpgme11 libid3tag0 libifp4 libijs-0.35 libimlib2 libjpeg-progs libk3b2 libkbluetooth0 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdcraw1 libkdepim1a
[03:45] <jared> spam?
[03:45] <sub[t]rnl> libkexiv2-1 libkipi0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2 libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libksba8 libkscan1 libksieve0 libktnef1 liblua50 liblualib50 libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmpcdec3 libmysqlclient15off libnjb5 libofa0 libopenexr2c2a libopenobex1 libpoppler-qt2 libpq5 libpth20 libpulse0 libpythonize0 libqt-perl libqt3-mt libqt4-core libqt4-gui librsync1 libruby1.8 libsamplerate0 libsearchclient0 libskim0 libsmokeqt1
[03:45] <genii> AAAAAAAAAAAAAa
[03:45] <arrrghhh> holy crap
[03:45] <arrrghhh> can you give that in a pastebin or something?
[03:45] <arrrghhh> i mean damn
[03:45] <arrrghhh> that's probably not all of it even
[03:46] <jared> sum1 help please!!
[03:46] <jared> my monitor display settings arent working
[03:46] <sub[t]rnl> sorry everyone, had no idea the clipboard was that full...
[03:46] <sub[t]rnl> arrrghhh➜ http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome.php
[03:46] <jared> i change screen size, but it doesnt work
[03:46] <sub[t]rnl> for removal of kde components
[03:46] <arrrghhh> thanks you
[03:47] <jared> i change screen size, but it doesnt work, any1 kno y?
[03:47] <AssuredAnomaly> are you changing it by the gui, or xconfig
[03:47] <AssuredAnomaly> ?
[03:47] <jared> in the system settings
[03:48] <sub[t]rnl> jared➜ backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:48] <AssuredAnomaly> yea what he said
[03:48] <AssuredAnomaly> lol
[03:48] <jared> what will that do?
[03:48] <jared> and how do I backup that thing?
[03:49] <SyncopatedFool> ktorrent and konqueror will no longer let me connect, konqueror will work as a file manager, will not let me access websites.  ktorrent will let people upload from me if i have things seeded, but will not let me connect and download new files
[03:49] <SyncopatedFool> what is wrong?
[03:49] <AssuredAnomaly> you dont need to back it up...its a precaution, like "back up the registry before installing a new driver" in windows
[03:49] <AssuredAnomaly> good advice
[03:49] <sub[t]rnl> jared➜ open !konsole and   sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup, then run the other command
[03:49] <AssuredAnomaly> but no one does it
[03:49] <jared> kk
[03:49] <arrrghhh> yea
[03:49] <CruCio> hmm , seriously this isn't right
[03:49] <arrrghhh> i forget to back things up when i make changes...
[03:50] <sub[t]rnl> SyncopatedFool➜ firewall?
[03:50] <arrrghhh> it's a good habit to be in, backing up config files
[03:50] <CruCio> i don't think its a fact that u can install java on ubuntu ps3
[03:50] <SyncopatedFool> sub[t]rnl: firestarter, but i've been running that with no changes for months
[03:51] <sub[t]rnl> SyncopatedFool➜ disable it, and try
[03:51] <sub[t]rnl> to be sure
[03:51] <genii> CruCio: Anything is possible. Some of it just is long and frustrating
[03:51] <jared> what do I do after entering sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:52] <SyncopatedFool> sub[t]rnl: command to that in terminal? i run it behind everything, without the graphical controls
[03:52] <jared> what do I do after entering sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:52] <CruCio> genii. i have tried all the links and codes people assumed using it to get java working
[03:52] <CruCio> but why isn't mine working for me ?
[03:52] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: yea so I used yoru script...when I enter 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2.sh start' it just goes to the next line without giving ok or error or nothing
[03:52] <jared> sub[t]rnl : what do I do after entering sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:53] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ ps ax |grep apache and see if its running
[03:53] <genii> CruCio: Beats me. But I think you need to find more ps3 specific help somewhere
[03:53] <jared> sub[t]rnl : what do I do after entering sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:54] <sub[t]rnl> try changing your resolution again
[03:54] <jared> kk
[03:54] <sub[t]rnl> SyncopatedFool➜ its a front end to iptables, sudo iptables -L to see what rules are up, or fire up the firestarter gui and click the disable button to check if thats the source of the problem
[03:54] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52971/
[03:55] <jared> sub[t]rnl it didnt work
[03:56] <sub[t]rnl> !resolution > jared
[03:57] <SyncopatedFool> sub[t]rnl: ktorrent still not connecting
[03:58] <SyncopatedFool> i should note firefox works perfectly fine, and i can't test with azureus, that not working is why i got ktorrent
[03:58] <SyncopatedFool> konqueror won't connect either
[03:58]  * burner thinks deluge and ktorrent > azureus
[03:59] <burner> SyncopatedFool: you have a firewall?  your isp block torrent traffic?
[03:59] <burner> try encrypting it?
[03:59]  * val0 azureus is awesome!
[03:59] <SyncopatedFool> burner: no, it's been working fine for months, firewall's firestarter, i have it disabled, i have my hardware firewall disabled
[04:00] <jared> whered that guy go?
[04:01] <CruCio> Genii, even with the link you gave me i must register in order to d/l the specific java and after that withen the download manager you require Java plugin
[04:01] <jared> who gave me that code?
[04:01] <burner> SyncopatedFool: try encrypting, maybe your ISP is only recently sucking
[04:01] <jared> it put my computer into some weird thing
[04:01] <jared> and it didnt fix it
[04:01] <thomas_newbie__> It says my package is broken after I tried to Remove it . What happened?
[04:01] <CruCio> and i don't have java installed on my ubuntu so the download manager wont open
[04:01] <sub[t]rnl> thomas_newbie__➜ sudo apt-get install -f
[04:02] <SyncopatedFool> burner: it's weird, because every kde app i have seems to screw up like this, kopete won't connect either, i'm having to use pidgin
[04:02] <SyncopatedFool> burner: everything gtk or tcl/tk works
[04:02] <burner> SyncopatedFool: i'd guess there's a kde specific proxy set.  via konq maybe?  is this kde4 or 3?
[04:03] <SyncopatedFool> 3
[04:03] <burner> SyncopatedFool: there anything in kcontrol about network settings or proxy?
[04:03] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, SyncopatedFool try killing knetworkmanager and then sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[04:04] <genii> CruCio: Did you go to the source-o-matic website to create a sources.list file? Yours is empty, thats why nothing can install
[04:05] <bazhang> that site was down as of yesterday genii
[04:05] <SyncopatedFool> burner: nothing in proxy no socks enabled
[04:05] <genii> bazhang: Ah, OK. Was unaware
[04:06] <bazhang> and the bot has forgotten the !easysources command :{
[04:06] <CruCio> :|
[04:06] <SyncopatedFool> sub[t]rnl: that will kill all network connectivity temporarily, correct? i just want to verify so i can warn people i'm talking with
[04:06] <CruCio> source-o-matic ?
[04:07] <sub[t]rnl> SyncopatedFool➜ yes, its temporary.
[04:07] <CruCio> dude, am very new to ubuntu
[04:08] <CruCio> and i only need it to browse the web and do some research
[04:09] <SyncopatedFool> weird
[04:09] <SyncopatedFool> i just killed knetworkmanager and i'm still running
[04:09] <CruCio> how do i create sources list ?
[04:09] <sub[t]rnl> SyncopatedFool➜ and do kde apps connect now?
[04:09] <LogicalDash> KDE Help Center doesn't seem to be obeying my theme
[04:10] <SyncopatedFool> sub[t]rnl: heh, wow, go figure.  that did it
[04:10] <SyncopatedFool> ktorrent works
[04:10] <sub[t]rnl> don't ask me how, just keep it in mind if it ever comes up again... :p
[04:11] <steveny> hello
[04:11] <SyncopatedFool> i don't either, but that should be easy to remember, thanks
[04:11] <genii> !paste
[04:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:11] <steveny> I have just started kubuntu!!! can anyone please help with a quick USB question?
[04:12] <sub[t]rnl> ask away steveny
[04:12] <steveny> all of my usb stuff is not being detected:(
[04:12] <genii> CruCio: Use this for  starting point of your sources.list then since source-o-matic is down
[04:12] <genii> CruCio: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52973/
[04:13] <CruCio> thanks for your help genii
[04:13] <CruCio> but am gonna try to find this thing out myself
[04:13] <steveny> lsusb gives Bus device ID 0000:0000
[04:13] <sub[t]rnl> dmesg telling you anything when you plug it in?
[04:14] <CruCio> am getting tired of all this googling and besides non og you guys uses a ps3
[04:14] <genii> CruCio: change debian.yorku.ca   and us.archive.ubuntu.com   to local names if you can, like ru.archive.ubuntu.com    or so <-- note country code of russia for that one
[04:15] <steveny> i don't know what to look for in there:( it is very long :(
[04:15] <sub[t]rnl> plug it in, then dmesg |tail
[04:16] <CruCio> were 314people in this chat room and no one is using ps3
[04:16] <steveny> it says all bluetooth stuff...nothing about usb
[04:16] <bazhang> many are idle CruCio
[04:16] <CruCio> guess windows users and linux users lives complately in a diff world
[04:17] <CruCio> steveny , guess thats kubuntu's problem
[04:18] <bazhang> CruCio: more likely a hardware/driver problem
[04:18] <steveny> it worked when I livecd'ed...then I installed, and now the usb drives don't work:(    is there another ubuntu I should try?
[04:18] <CruCio> why don't you use ubuntu
[04:18] <CruCio> instead of kubuntu
[04:19] <bazhang> CruCio: that would not change a thing
[04:19] <steveny> well....I have ubuntu on a cd....but when I livecd'ed it, the drives weren't detected either:(
[04:19] <val0> ok i have a major newbie issue here. I installed compiz and now i can't log in. it doesn't fail with a message, just that right after press enter after typing my password it boots me back to the log in screen. I don't remember the exact URL but it's the tutorial off the Ubuntu Forums. The only mode that I could log in is text and console only
[04:20] <juliusrj> hello
[04:21] <steveny> when I installed it said something about /etc/mtab etc/fstab del/sdal whenit was detecting devies....specifically when I said open when it detected the usb drive during install
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> val0➜ check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors.  to reconfigure a working xorg.conf, use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:24] <raoman> can anyone help me with ntfs prob on kubuntu 7.10
[04:25] <steveny> no luck anyone?:( oh well....maybe I'll try WD40 in the cd drive....
[04:25] <sub[t]rnl> !ntfs > raoman
[04:25] <squarebottle> Heya. I'm trying to use kmplayer (instead of kaffeine) because it can use mplayer as its engine, which supports .ass subtitles (yes, that's the name of the format), but it doesn't quite play back perfectly when I use the mplayer engine. I think it's because it's running out of memory, so do you know how I could increase the memory or something?
[04:26] <ian__> squarebottle, im very new to linux but maybe a larger swap parition would help?
[04:27] <squarebottle> ian__: Heh, thanks, but that isn't it. Swap is the equivalent of "virtual memory," so that wouldn't really help. In any case, the issue isn't that the computer doesn't have enough memory. It's that kmplayer isn't using enough of it!
[04:27] <ian__> ahh, gotcha
[04:30] <sub[t]rnl> squarebottle➜ might want to checkout the kmplayer forums if you can't find any help here
[04:31] <squarebottle> sub[t]rnl: Yeah. Was hoping somebody in here might know though, but yeah. :)
[04:31] <jcgkffycs> I am all of the sudden getting this error when i try to use apt-get, "the following packages have unmet dependencies:  dekorator: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installable             Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not installable E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." I have not tried any thing involving kde4 on the computer, none of the
[04:31] <jcgkffycs> repositories are enabled and nothing has been installed, also the app i am trying to install is inkscape which is actually a gnome app.
[04:31] <squarebottle> sub[t]rnl: I prefer IRC to forums anymore, personally. Once upon a time, I couldn't even imagine myself saying that. Heh. Anyway, I might also try in #kde
[04:31] <val0> sorry someone was helping me out with my compiz error, i can't remember who you were!
[04:31] <raoman> i managed to install ntfs loader on my kubuntu, but wat i hav is from dapper. it mounts my external drives, but sometimes they remain inaccessible even after mounting....any help?
[04:35] <thomas_newbie__> I really am having trouble. I can't remove apache2 and re-install properly
[04:36] <jazzles> are there any 5.6 ghz cups on the market?
[04:42] <batis610> i've installed compiz by typing sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-plugins
[04:42] <batis610> how can launch it and test it?
[04:43] <bazhang> batis610: card drivers installed/enabled?
[04:43] <batis610> yes installed
[04:43] <bazhang> then alt f2 compiz --replace
[04:43] <bazhang> and alt f2 kwin --replace to get back out
[04:45] <ian__> Does the "desktop selector" pager that comes with KDE not work with compiz? I DLed a different one from kde-look and it worked so I was just wondering
[04:45] <batis610> bazhang: already done... what should i have then
[04:46] <bazhang> batis610: you need to go into the settings manager and check some of the plugins and then check the keybindings (key combos) to see if they work
[04:47] <rc-1> what program is good for backups
[04:50] <reverend_joshua> how well does installing a dual boot winxp/kubuntu setup work?
[04:50] <batis610> bazhang: keybindings?
[04:50] <ian__> reverend, I'm actually dual booting those 2 combos right now, works well.
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> rc-1➜ I like tar and dd
[04:50] <bazhang> batis610: are you in the settings manager?
[04:51] <ian__> defenately wanna install windoZe first though unless you wanna tinker with the grub
[04:51] <reverend_joshua> xp is already on
[04:51] <ian__> oh ok
[04:51] <batis610> bazhang: advanced desktop settings manager
[04:51] <reverend_joshua> i've got the physical disk partitioned to c: and e:, kubuntu will go on e:
[04:52] <bazhang> batis610: yes; under keybindings there will be the suggested key combinations to get things going for the various effects
[04:52] <reverend_joshua> my only concern is the dual boot issue with this being a dell
[04:52] <reverend_joshua> i'm not certain of how/if grub works with it
[04:53] <ian__> I've dual booted with dells before without a problem...but it was an OLD computer so I don't know if it's changed....
[04:53] <reverend_joshua> this is a few years old
[04:53] <reverend_joshua> more than a few, 7 :(
[04:54]  * genii sips his NyQuil
[04:54] <ian__> hmm... Well the only way to see then would be to try it. As long as no valuable data is on E:, i'd think you should be good. haha, well seems to be a common age for compies
[04:54] <reverend_joshua> word
[04:54] <reverend_joshua> thanks for the info
[04:54] <ian__> NP, nest of luck to you... emails<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you run into trouble
[04:56] <bazhang> batis610: you find them?
[04:57] <batis610> bazhang:no i think... i just check some combos nut nothing happens
[04:57] <QMario> Have any of you experienced a bug in which when you press "Ctrl+Tab" on the last tab of Konqueror 4, it crashes immediately?
[04:57] <bazhang> batis610: and you have which card and driver?
[04:58] <batis610> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:58] <batis610> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[04:58] <batis610> OpenGL renderer string: Radeon X1650 Series
[04:58] <batis610> OpenGL version string: 2.0.6473 (8.37.6)
[04:58] <genii> QMario: As well if it's some known bug, #kubuntu-devel may have help
[05:00] <bazhang> batis610: what combos did you check and what were the keybindings?
[05:00] <sub[t]rnl> QMario➜ couldn't reproduce it here, check bugs.launchpad.net
[05:01] <yasahiro> now i have another problem..
[05:02] <QMario> Sub[t]rnl, are you on the last tab, and are you using Konqueror 4?
[05:02] <yasahiro> my kubuntu installation reads japanese mostly well... but i noticed there are a few japanese kanji that it just displays as boxes :(
[05:03] <biovore> yasahiro: you need to install the xfonts for them probably..
[05:03] <batis610> bazhang: rotate cube ==> ctrl+alt+left or right
[05:04] <bazhang> batis610: and what happens when you alt -f2 then compiz --replace and use those keybindings?
[05:05] <genii> sub[t]rnl: I checked launchpad, nothing similar in 75 results for konqueror including the 3.5.x series reports
[05:05] <vincent_> is anyone up for some quick noob-ish questions?
[05:05] <sub[t]rnl> genii➜ roger that
[05:05] <batis610> bazhang: nothing
[05:06] <ian__> vincent, im a noob myself but i'll try :-p
[05:06] <sub[t]rnl> only thing close is Bug #123615
[05:06] <genii> sub[t]rnl: Yup
[05:06] <bazhang> batis610: what about when you click on the desktop 2, 3, 4 icons--is it 3D-ish or not
[05:06] <vincent_> haha cool, thanks ian. i got kubuntu the other day, and its been great, except for two big problems: the first is Adept is being a massive pain in the arse
[05:06] <ian__> haha I see
[05:06] <vincent_> the second isnt as big a deal, my nvidia drivers refuse to work, but ill worry about that later
[05:06] <ian__> oh ok
[05:07] <yasahiro_> how would one install the xfonts?
[05:07] <ian__> so the first...
[05:07] <vincent_> but with adept, i think its like a repository thing..
[05:07] <ian__> ah, whats it saying?
[05:07] <vincent_> i check all the boxes, and then click 'get updates', it gets through 30% (looking for headers), then it just stops
[05:07] <batis610> bazhang: no nothing is in d
[05:07] <batis610> 3d
[05:07] <ian__> hmm
[05:07] <vincent_> hangs for about 5 minutes, then flashes, and nothing is fixed.
[05:08] <val0> squarebottle i did what you told me to do, copied the files, rebooted the machine and the problem is still there
[05:08] <vincent_> every time i try to get a file through apt-get, it says it cant be found
[05:08] <vincent_> any ideas, ian?
[05:08] <ian__> wow I've not heard of that...
[05:08] <ian__> sometimes when I have a problem with adept though... I try typing "dpkg --configure -a" into a terminal
[05:08] <ian__> that has fixed lots of problems in the past
[05:08] <bazhang> batis610: so using the alt-f2 commands (compiz --replace and kwin --replace) does nada?
[05:09] <vincent_> ahh ill give it a try
[05:09] <ian__> aight, I'll try looking through google...
[05:10] <vincent_> thanks for this ian
[05:10] <vincent_> ive looked through google for a while.. i wouldnt be this obsessed if amarok worked, but i think its all related
[05:10] <batis610> bazhang: nada... :(
[05:10] <ian__> NP, I'd like to help as much as I can
[05:10] <ian__> oh yeah
[05:10] <ian__> thats possible
[05:11] <vincent_> its giving me that 'unable to play mp3's' message that everyone seems to have, but just never works
[05:11] <bazhang> batis610: where did you install the drivers from? please dont tell me envy :{
[05:11] <ian__> yeah sounds like the reposotories are messed up...
[05:11] <batis610> i follows this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[05:12] <vincent_> is there a way to just wipe all the packages ive tried to install and just start over? im not to keen on a format, but i think ive buggered this
[05:13] <ian__> I think I've heard of a way but im not sure how to do it. Another way to test to see if its the repos would be to check/uncheck them one at a time and seeing which one is the trouble maker
[05:13] <vincent_> ah thats a good idea
[05:13] <vincent_> when i use apt-get, thats different to adept isnt it?
[05:13] <vincent_> or is it just the command line version?
[05:14] <ian__> I'm pretty sure its just he command line version
[05:14] <ian__> adept/synaptic i think are just GUIs
[05:14] <vincent_> ohh i see
[05:14] <ian__> adept seems to be alot touchier than synaptic (just switched over to KDE so im not entirely sure if I'm right)
[05:15] <vincent_> mm, i used to use slackware, and i dont remember ever having a problem with the packages.. but then, under slackware, i couldnt even get on the internet
[05:15] <dehspehl> anyone share my dislike for strigi, at least the kio part of it that takes over locate:/ ?
[05:16] <ian__> oh yeah, I tried slack too but had the same problem...didn't bother to invest the time because I fell in love too much with ubuntu lol
[05:16] <vincent_> lol
[05:16] <vincent_> yeh, the weird thing with this is i can just swap the partitions right now and go back to vista, and not have any problems
[05:16] <CruCio> genii ?
[05:16] <vincent_> but.. im hooked to ubuntu!
[05:16] <CruCio> how do i install something that i have just downloaded ?
[05:17] <vincent_> my sister just asked why i bothered to do all this, coz it means she cant play oblivion, and i didnt have an answer for her, lol
[05:17] <vincent_> sh <filename>
[05:17] <vincent_> isnt it crucio?
[05:17] <ian__> haha yeah, I'm loving going to bed and not hearing my HD buzzing from who knows what programs doing who knows what tasks...
[05:17] <vincent_> lol
[05:17] <CruCio> filename ?
[05:17] <vincent_> what are you installing crucio?
[05:18] <ian__> rofl I get the same from my fiance... but she doesn't care cause shes hooked on Kolf :-/
[05:18] <Berzerker> can I install kubuntu on a USB drive?
[05:18] <vincent_> oo, whats kolf?
[05:18] <CruCio> ibm-java2-sdk-5.0.-6.0-linux-pcc.tgz
[05:18] <dehspehl> vincent_: mini putt golf
[05:18] <val0> squarebottle i fixed it! i fixed it! with the method you told me to! I totally love you dude! but in the platonic kind of way!
[05:18] <ian__> lol it's a little golf game you can DL from the packagae manager.er, umm...yeah once its working lol
[05:18] <vincent_> ohh, awesome, i love gold.
[05:18] <vincent_> woops, golf*
[05:18] <vincent_> and gold.
[05:18] <vincent_> lol ian
[05:18] <ian__> haha
[05:18] <vincent_> ah crucio, i think that needs to be gunzipped
[05:19] <vincent_> but im not sure how to do it
[05:19] <CruCio> vincent how ?
[05:19] <batis610> bazhang: i follows this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[05:19] <dehspehl> vincent_: I'm having "vista just works, no problems" problems right now
[05:19] <sub[t]rnl> Berzerker➜ you can.  I've installed a working liveCD on one.
[05:19] <vincent_> hehe what do you mean?
[05:20] <vincent_> crucio: try typing gz ibm-java
[05:20] <dehspehl> vincent_: well only vista knows how to display stuff to the screen, now
[05:20] <vincent_> but the full filename
[05:20] <CruCio> gz -ibm- java ?
[05:20] <CruCio> in terminal right ?
[05:20] <bazhang> batis610: does that recommend you install from the repos or from the card manufacturer's site?
[05:20] <vincent_> hang on CruCio
[05:20] <vincent_> type
[05:20] <squarebottle> val0: Heh, great!
[05:20] <dehspehl> vincent_: for instance, dos boot floppy via usb? nada. ubuntu livecd? zilch. bios updates, don't help at all
[05:20] <vincent_> gz ibm-java2-sdk-5.0.-6.0-linux-pcc.tgz
[05:21] <genii> CruCio: You need to untar it first.   so:    tar -xvzf ibm-java2-sdk-5.0.-6.0-linux-pcc.tgz
[05:21] <dehspehl> vincent_: oh, and the bios/post/manufacturer stuff doesn't appear at all
[05:21] <vincent_> oo dont like the sound of that deh..
[05:21] <squarebottle> val0: Do you understand the different things I told  you to do? Like, if somebody else came along and asked you what happened, could you tell them?
[05:21] <genii> CruCio: It should make a file. so then: ./filename                   to run that
[05:21] <what_if> how do I change the multimedia keys for my keyboard? I need to disable the "standby" button (I've hit it twice today already :( :(
[05:21] <CruCio> i need unzip ot you mean ?
[05:21] <batis610> bazhang: iused method 1... from repos
[05:21] <vincent_> oh man, this irc channel is the most functional thing ive found in kubuntu so far ;)
[05:21] <ian__> yeah it's great...my first time on it
[05:21] <neville> -_-v
[05:22] <vincent_> mine too
[05:22] <yasahiro> no fair.... gimp can display that kanji... firefox can....openoffice can... yet amarok and kaudiocreator cannot
[05:22] <vincent_> GRR, amarok!
[05:22] <squarebottle> val0: I don't want you to feel like I just burped up some cryptic, arcane code and handed it at you, heh.
[05:22] <ian__> cool, how's the adept going?
[05:22] <ian__> oh doesn't sound good
[05:22] <bazhang> batis610: not sure about the ATI cards; I use nvidia seems like your drivers are not enabled though, seeing as you have ccsm installed etc
[05:22] <ian__> *sigh, I hate to tell you to reinstall...doesn't really SOLVE the problem...
[05:22] <vincent_> its doin the same stuff as before.. i just used apt-get update
[05:22] <val0> squarebottle yes totally, i was smart enough to make a back up copy of the xorg.cong because i knew that i'll need it later. I know that once I edited that xorg file the system broke... you helped me back up the one that's broken and over write it with the backup copy that i had
[05:23] <squarebottle> val0: Rock on. :)
[05:23] <vincent_> lol..  it might be my shady connection, i have 256k in australia.. everything is probably timing out, haha
[05:23] <yasahiro> anybody know how to get these programs that only display a box when i try to type the kanji... to actually recognize it? :(
[05:23] <sub[t]rnl> what_if➜ kcontrol -> Regional access -> keyboard shortcuts
[05:23] <ian__> oh haha, ya know...that may be it...
[05:23] <val0> squarebottle i think that i am starting to get the basics of linux, quiet different than windows
[05:23] <yasahiro> somebody said something about xfonts before...
[05:24] <ian__> honestly I'm stuck though. as for Nvidia Drivers though, did you use the "restricted drivers management"?
[05:24] <CruCio> genii explain step by step ?
[05:24] <squarebottle> val0: There's a really good quote about the simplicity of Linux. I forget who says it. It goes something like, "Linux is as simple as it gets, but you have to be a genius to understand its simplicity."
[05:24] <genii> CruCio: tar -xvzf ibm-java2-sdk-5.0.-6.0-linux-pcc.tgz
[05:24] <vincent_> amen, squarebottle
[05:24] <bazhang> yasahiro: you have scim installed?
[05:24] <val0> squarebottle the biggest think that i now need to learn is the meaning and location of certain vital files, ie. difference between /etc /bin etc.
[05:24] <ian__> haha great quote
[05:24] <yasahiro> well, i have skim...
[05:24] <val0> squarebottle lol true enough, once again thanks for holding my hand and helping me out!
[05:25] <vincent_> i dled the linux nvidia drivers, have to run them while KDE is off, but its claiming i dont have libc, which i really do.. so it probably all falls back to adept!!
[05:25] <yasahiro> its only a few kanji that it wont recognize
[05:25] <genii> CruCio: Tell me when it finishes
[05:25] <squarebottle> val0: No problem! BUT there's something you have to do too now.
[05:25] <neville> vincent_ you need libc6-dev
[05:25] <ian__> ahh well try this:
[05:25] <vincent_> ahh cheers nev! thanks man
[05:25] <ian__> neville, if he uses restricted drivers management program will it DL libc6-dev as a dependancy?
[05:26] <squarebottle> val0: To pay me back, here's what you have to do.
[05:26] <neville> I dunno, I've never used the restricted drivers manager :P
[05:26] <ian__> oh ahha
[05:26] <CruCio> genii , it says no such file or directory
[05:26] <bazhang> yasahiro: and have it configured it? once you have you should be able to right click select input method scim and then choose hiragana kanji etc
[05:26] <vincent_> lol square, thats a little strange ;)
[05:26] <squarebottle> vincent_: :P
[05:26] <ian__> lol
[05:26] <yasahiro> yeah, i did
[05:26] <squarebottle> vincent_: You gotta love it though. C'mon.
[05:26] <wilson> conditional help !
[05:27] <vincent_> squarebottle: of course ;)
[05:27] <yasahiro> like... for example...
[05:27] <genii> CruCio: Where did you put the file?
[05:27] <vincent_> squarebottle: i just hope im not the next stranger he sees :|
[05:27] <ian__> lol
[05:27] <squarebottle> vincent_: It gets interesting when a complete stranger walks in.
[05:27] <vincent_> hahah i can imagine
[05:27] <bazhang> yasahiro: and you right click in the entry box and choose input method scim? and then try typing in kanji etc?
[05:27] <CruCio> OMG!!
[05:27] <vincent_> grr! even when i use apt-get update it still hangs on 30%
[05:27] <CruCio> hmm
[05:28] <wilson> just tell them so0me nutter made you promise to get them to say it
[05:28] <squarebottle> vincent_: Probably most amusing when done at a bar, but yeah. And you can pass it off as being positive, too.
[05:28] <yasahiro> 映 displays fine...   像 displays fine....   But yeah, it counts. :P
[05:28] <ian__> envy rocks just a good if not better :)
[05:28] <neville> Even though these guys say it isn't supported and not to use it, use it anyway!
[05:28] <CruCio> i don't know if it has installed anything yet
[05:29] <vincent_> ohh thanks ian, hang on, imma try it
[05:29] <yasahiro> what fonts do i need?
[05:29] <ian__> ok
[05:29] <squarebottle> ian__: Envy is risky, actually.
[05:29] <bazhang> !envy
[05:29] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[05:29] <ian__> oh really?
[05:29] <neville> -_-v
[05:29] <vincent_> woah woah wait
[05:29] <neville> What did I tell you
[05:29] <neville> Anyway, the only problem it had was
[05:29] <neville> With my Geforce 2
[05:29] <genii> CruCio: so the tar command is done?
[05:29] <val0> squarebottle lol yeh i know, but we are all boring, look where we are talking and what we are talking about
[05:29] <neville> It needed a bit of "manual guidance"
[05:29] <CruCio> yes
[05:29] <CruCio> it loaded alot of files
[05:29] <squarebottle> val0: Hahaha, touche!
[05:30] <bazhang> yasahiro: you can apt-cache search japanese in the konsole for some of those; do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[05:30] <vincent_> this may sound stupid.. but is there some sort of firewall that comes by default with linux that may be stopping adept getting my files?
[05:30] <neville> Nope
[05:30] <squarebottle> vincent_: Nope.
[05:30] <CruCio> must i do anything els ?
[05:30] <vincent_> damn.
[05:30] <ian__> I dont think so
[05:30] <ian__> :(
[05:30] <vincent_> coz that really would solve all my problems
[05:30] <squarebottle> vincent_: Hmmmmmmm. What repositories do you have enabled?
[05:30] <ian__> repo problems ....dang
[05:31] <vincent_> i gotta tell you, im about ready to sacrifice a virgin to the great penguin to get this thing to work
[05:31] <wilson> i tried kubuntu hardy today in a virtual machine, works ok after a bit 'o mucking around, kde4 sessions crash the x server , that's the only problem for me so far
[05:31] <ian__> ROFL
[05:31] <bazhang> yasahiro: some examples would be ttf-kochi-mincho-naga, ttf-mikachan, and others
[05:31] <wilson> xorg 7.3 is a pain in the ass
[05:31] <sub[t]rnl> vincent_➜ a firewall does come with kubuntu by default, though its rules accept everything until configured
[05:31] <val0> squarebottle now i am going to figure out how to get rid of this thing... not ready for it just yet... do you by any chance if there is a way to see what packages you installed on your machine sorted by date?
[05:31] <vincent_> ok squarebottle, i have all of the ones ticked
[05:31] <neville> vincent_ you think you're having troubles
[05:31] <squarebottle> vincent_: There are better things to do with virgins than that, I assure you. Ahem. But yeah, what repositories do you have enabled?
[05:32] <vincent_> lol squarebottle
[05:32] <vincent_> whats wrong, neville?
[05:32] <vincent_> i have em all ticked squarebottle
[05:32] <squarebottle> vincent_: Is the one for the CD unchecked like it should be? And also, you can disable all the "source" repositories safely.
[05:32] <ian__> You didn't add any?
[05:32] <ian__> *by hand I mean
[05:32] <bazhang> vincent_: pastebin your sources list to let us see if that is it
[05:32] <vincent_> ah now it is..
[05:32] <neville> Try installing a Geforce 2 properly :D
[05:32] <neville> -> painful
[05:33] <CruCio> vincent ? after "tar" is done what do i do next ?
[05:33] <vincent_> pastebin?
[05:33] <squarebottle> vincent_: See if disabling the CD as a repository and all the source repositories makes your penguin deity sufficiently pleased.
[05:33] <vincent_> then use sh <filename>
[05:33] <CruCio> ?
[05:33] <bazhang> !paste | vincent_
[05:33] <ubotu> vincent_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:33] <ian__> ohh I hope it does, if so I learned something new
[05:33] <vincent_> ok imma trying square
[05:33] <vincent_> thanks ubotu
[05:33] <CruCio> vincent , i have no clue of what ur speaking of
[05:33] <CruCio> am new to ubuntu
[05:33] <bazhang> he is a bot vincent_
[05:34] <vincent_> oh
[05:34] <vincent_> lol, woops.
[05:34] <bazhang> :}
[05:34] <vincent_> thanks for telling me bazhang, probably saves a world of embarrasment when i try to ask it where it is from later..
[05:34] <CruCio> so after tar what do i do , vincent ?
[05:34] <vincent_> ok, now, my sources list
[05:34] <vincent_> crucio, whats your file called?
[05:34] <CruCio> explain specificaly ?
[05:35] <vincent_> now that it is untarred?
[05:35] <bazhang> vincent_: you can message the bot if you need factoids and such
[05:35] <CruCio> ibm-java2-sdk-5.0.-6.0-linux-pcc.tgz
[05:35]  * squarebottle loves when people think the bot is alive.
[05:35]  * vincent_ remembers the moral of the story I-Robot
[05:35] <ian__> lol
[05:35] <vincent_> bazhang: where is the sources list again?
[05:36] <gtt> what's the default keyboard shortcut for the menu in KDE4
[05:36] <gtt> driving me nuts
[05:36] <gtt> just installed.
[05:36] <vincent_>   /etc/ somewhere?
[05:36] <val0> if people think that the bot is alive doesn't it mean it passed the Turing test?
[05:36] <Tm_T> gtt: alt-F1 ?
[05:36] <CruCio> ??
[05:36] <gtt> not working for me.
[05:36] <gtt> maybe it's a bug?
[05:36] <vincent_> val0: is that the one from blade runner?
[05:36] <vincent_> oh, CruCio
[05:36] <gtt> i thought that was strange too.
[05:36] <vincent_> type
[05:36] <vincent_> sh  ibm-java2-sdk-5.0.-6.0-linux-pcc i think
[05:37] <vincent_> uh.. withtout the i thing
[05:37] <CruCio> k
[05:37] <gtt> i was also disappointed with how it didn't keep my startup apps so i was networkless until i figured out how to launch knetworkmanager
[05:37] <ian__> isn't it /etc/apt/sources.list ? or is there a different oen
[05:37] <val0> ok this is the most idiotic thing i've done in a long time.
[05:37] <bazhang> vincent_: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:37] <Strangelet> I am thinking of installing XP on a seperate partition, the arrangement I have decided on so far is 1 with Kubuntu, 1 with XP, 1 filled with all my media, and 1 swap. Is this good? And what filesystem should the media partition be?
[05:38] <val0> i was testing my own Alt-F1 function, then Alt-F2, then Alt-F3 just to see what happens... Then Alt-F4 happend :S
[05:38] <vincent_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52980/
[05:38] <vincent_> lmao val0
[05:38] <Strangelet> val0, ecks-dee ecks-dee!
[05:39] <CruCio> vincent ? must the ibm-java2-sdk-5.0-6.0-linux-ppc.tgz be located somewhere ?
[05:39] <vincent_> nope?
[05:39] <vincent_> why, whats it saying?
[05:39] <CruCio> because i have and it says "can't Open"
[05:39] <vincent_> wait, youwant to sh the one that you have unzipped
[05:39] <vincent_> where did you unzip it to?
[05:39] <CruCio>  Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
[05:39] <CruCio> juju@localhost:~$ sh ibm-java2-sdk-5.0-6.0-linux-ppc.tgz
[05:39] <CruCio> sh: Can't open ibm-java2-sdk-5.0-6.0-linux-ppc.tgz
[05:39] <CruCio> juju@localhost:~$
[05:40] <val0> Strangelet yep go ahead
[05:40] <bazhang> vincent_: automatix? uh oh
[05:40] <CruCio> its on my desktop
[05:40] <vincent_> :o
[05:40] <vincent_> is that the problem??
[05:40] <ian__> hehe
[05:40] <CruCio> i dunno
[05:40] <CruCio> tar worked
[05:40] <CruCio> but
[05:40] <Strangelet> val0: okay, thank you. And what about the media-filled partition? what format?
[05:40] <CruCio> why not this one ?
[05:41] <ian__> yeah that looks suspicious
[05:41] <bazhang> vincent_: world of trouble with automatix
[05:41] <vincent_> ohh thank god.
[05:41] <vincent_> should i just delete the line from the sources.list?
[05:41] <ian__> whats automatrix? Never heard of that one
[05:41] <wilson> vincent_: you are better off using an australian mirror, for speed
[05:41] <Tm_T> ian__: nothing to look at
[05:41] <bazhang> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html vincent_ read that
[05:41] <ian__> oh ok
[05:42] <vincent_> i was a bit worried about reliability though wilson, is it good to use?
[05:43] <CruCio> well
[05:43] <CruCio> this suck
[05:43] <CruCio> :(
[05:43] <CruCio> am out
[05:43] <vincent_> crucio
[05:43] <vincent_> there should be a help thing or something.. try to find the untarred version
[05:44] <vincent_> bazhang: that is a long list of problems :\
[05:44] <val0> so does any1 know if there is a way to see the packages that are installed by the date of the installation?
[05:45] <bazhang> vincent_: sure is; and all the reason to avoid ever using automatix--almost guaranteed to bork your system
[05:45] <vincent_> kk, i just took it out of sources and the repository
[05:45] <ian__> wow well this is great I've learned something new
[05:45] <ian__> let us know if it works!
[05:45] <vincent_> but now, it just hangs on 0% (waiting for headers)
[05:46] <ian__> dang
[05:46] <bazhang> vincent_: that will not fix the damage that has been already done if you have installed anything from there
[05:47] <vincent_> bazhang: i dont think i have, i cant think of anything i have installed.. i know i looked at it, coz i was having a lot of problems with amarok and everyone just had auto as a solution
[05:48] <bazhang> vincent_: you 100 percent sure on that?
[05:48] <sigma_1234> is there a kde alternative to skype?
[05:48] <vincent_> 100% sure of what?
[05:48] <vincent_> oh, not having installed anything?
[05:48] <vincent_> no.. not 100%..
[05:49] <bazhang> right; from automatix
[05:49] <vincent_> xmms-1.2.11.. does that sound anything like automatix?
[05:49] <dhq_> http://pastebin.dylanhq.com/84
[05:49] <bazhang> any problems you have from now on may be caused from that source--this a recent install vincent_?
[05:50] <vincent_> it is
[05:50] <vincent_> but ive only had kubuntu for 4 days
[05:50] <dehspehl> bazhang: vincent_: I'm actually working on a distro to help fix the problem of "greedy" package managers
[05:50] <bazhang> dehspehl: what name?
[05:50] <ian__> ohhh cool, got a website we can track progress on/
[05:51] <vincent_> dehspehl: sounds brilliant
[05:51] <dhq_> dehspehl: http://pastebin.dylanhq.com/84  can you help mhttp://pastebin.dylanhq.com/84e out
[05:52] <bazhang> vincent_: may as well reinstall then--every helper in the future on discovering you used automatix will be like: "what!?" and tell you it is not supported
[05:52] <vincent_> reinstall kubuntu?
[05:52] <ian__> I wsa wondering at which point reinstalling was reccomended....
[05:52] <bazhang> your call vincent_ but that is what *I* would do
[05:52] <vincent_> ive rooted this version i think, lol
[05:52] <ian__> *in refference to faked up repos
[05:53] <vincent_> ive installed packages from the debian database, but thats a bloody joke, every one ive tried to do needs other ones to work
[05:53] <vincent_> so ive ended up with all these packages that dont work
[05:53] <reverend_joshua> the installer on kubuntu keeps dying
[05:53] <bazhang> vincent_: kubuntu/ubuntu has everything you need without the automatixes etc, best to keep it in house if you know what I mean
[05:53] <Strangelet> heehee, woww
[05:53] <vincent_> i get you
[05:53] <vincent_> so format time, bazhang?
[05:54] <dehspehl> ian__: haven't yet got much done, because of the tech predicament I'm on - waiting for my desktop. I just thought the idea up when I realized the pain I went through installing chain-deps from source
[05:54] <bazhang> vincent_:  the support for kubuntu/ubuntu is unmatched in linux and if you do what is recommended you will reap the benefits of that support :}
[05:54] <vincent_> mm, thats why i picked it :D
[05:54] <vincent_> a guy at work suggested gentoo
[05:55] <vincent_> but the ubuntu community sounded nicer ;)
[05:55] <ian__> dehspehl: I see, thats pretty sweet though! I'll keep an eye out.
[05:55] <bazhang> vincent_: google and the ubuntuforums and sometimes coming here will almost always fix your issues
[05:55] <vincent_> mm
[05:55] <sub[t]rnl> just tuned in, what happened to vincent_?
[05:55] <sub[t]rnl> ballpark
[05:55] <ian__> his repositoris got screwed up from automatix
[05:56] <vincent_> lol sub[t]rnl, dont get me started ;)
[05:56] <sub[t]rnl> automatix.. eep
[05:56] <vincent_> its all to do with my packages i think
[05:56] <ian__> lol
[05:56] <vincent_> lol
[05:56] <dehspehl> ian__: It will be debian based, or something else if good Union FS support is hard to come by
[05:56] <vincent_> oh wait, one more think
[05:56] <vincent_> thing*
[05:56] <vincent_> whenever i try to apt-get install filename, it says E; filename cannot be found
[05:56] <vincent_> is that normal on kubuntu?
[05:57] <vincent_> or is that more repository garbage?
[05:57] <sub[t]rnl> if <filename> isn't in one of the repos, yeah its normal
[05:57] <ian__> dehspehl: well thats good because I went back and forth between debian and redhat and man, deb kicks butt, BTW the red text I'm guessing means you're just sending that to me...how do you do that?
[05:57] <Strangelet> ian__: you type the persons name in front like you are doing
[05:57] <dehspehl> ian__: no, it's just prefixed name. not registered so I can't /msg
[05:57] <reverend_joshua> what file system does my install partition need to be for kubuntu?
[05:57] <vincent_> all the faqs are telling me to do it though.. for example, i need libxine-specialcodecs or something for amarok, but it isnt there
[05:58] <Strangelet> ian__: it's fine, you are doing it correctly. :)
[05:58] <ian__> sweet thanks
[05:58] <sub[t]rnl> libxine-extracodecs?
[05:58] <vincent_> yeh thats the one
[05:58] <Strangelet> no probs
[05:59] <sub[t]rnl> libxine1-ffmpeg has replaced that
[05:59] <ian__> WEll guys it's late here so i'm off...vincent lots of luck to you just remembmer, "desktop cube" makes it all worth it:-p
[05:59] <Jucato> vincent_: if you're on Gutsy, libxine-extracodecs no longer exists. use the one that sub[t]rnl gave you
[05:59] <vincent_> lol desktop cube?
[05:59] <ian__> oh man, havn;t heard of it?
[05:59] <vincent_> neg?
[06:00] <vincent_> just tried that sub[t]rnl, it says i have no installation candidate
[06:00] <reverend_joshua> what file system does my install partition need to be for kubuntu?
[06:00] <vincent_> what is it ian, im all intrigued ;D
[06:00] <dehspehl> ian__: basically if all the linux distros/livecds aren't too disparate as far as - union filesystem, sys v init/upstart/launchd, and etc, you could just pop in any image and switch base distros instantly
[06:00] <vincent_> kubuntu should do it itself shouldnt it reverend_joshua?
[06:00] <reverend_joshua> it doesn't seem to be
[06:00] <ian__> when you get your graphics card going, install compiz... you can enable a "3d desktop cube" that you can twirl around , amazing
[06:01] <sub[t]rnl> reverend_joshua➜ ext3 is a good one
[06:01] <vincent_> bah ian__! i have cubes i need to rotate in real life ;)
[06:01]  * vincent_ picks up dice.
[06:01]  * vincent_ gets bored.. and then downloads desktop cube!
[06:01] <ian__> dehspehl: I seee
[06:01] <vincent_> sub[t]rnl: , do you know what my install candidate is referring to?
[06:02] <sub[t]rnl> what package are you installing again?
[06:02] <vincent_> libxine1-ffmpeg
[06:02] <ian__> dehspehl: honestly I don't know much about linux file systems... I'm quite the n00b :-p
[06:03] <ForgeAus> ian what do you need to know? and what file systems did you know before?
[06:04] <ian__> Oh, dehspehl was just talking about a distro he was working on... I mainly worked just with ntfs...barely with that! in fact I'm really mainly into the hardware ;)
[06:04] <sub[t]rnl> vincent_➜ not sure why it isn't working, are you using gutsy?
[06:04] <thomas_newbie__> i installed php5 but I can't get PHP files to execute in browser with my APACHe server
[06:05] <vincent_> sub[t]rnl: i am, yeah, 7.10 yeh?
[06:05] <ForgeAus> well for Linux its generally ext3
[06:05]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[06:05] <ForgeAus> especially for kubuntu :)
[06:05] <ian__> So I noticed... is there a way to read the ext3 FS from windows? or is NTFS incapable of it?
[06:06] <ForgeAus> some Linux's use other types like riser, xfs and stuff...
[06:06] <ian__> *takes notes for future research
[06:06] <vincent_> its saying it is missing or has been obsoleted.. is there a way to manually download it?
[06:06] <ForgeAus> yes there is a way but its not NTFS that does it
[06:06] <sub[t]rnl> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[06:06] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg (source: xine-lib): mpeg related plugins for libxine1. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 435 kB, installed size 908 kB
[06:06] <ian__> ahh I see
[06:06] <ForgeAus> windows has such a thing as an installable file system driver called EXT2IFS
[06:07] <ian__> installable?
[06:07] <ForgeAus> which allows you to use your EXT3 disk as if it were a native windows drive
[06:07] <ian__> ohhhh I see!
[06:07] <ForgeAus> yes installable, its just a program (software driver actually)
[06:07] <ian__> wow thats cool
[06:07] <ian__> never heard of that
[06:07] <ForgeAus> the thing is ian I don't recommend doing lots to it under windows... tread lightly...
[06:07] <ForgeAus> its one of them
[06:07] <ForgeAus> !worksforme
[06:07] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[06:07] <ForgeAus> kinda things
[06:08] <ian__> ahhh yeah...
[06:08] <ForgeAus> but it will certainly give you access to read (and write) files to your kubuntu partition
[06:08] <ian__> For sure... might be good to have for "just in case" purposes...
[06:08] <ForgeAus> you just assign it a drive letter and from there it pretty much works as just another hard disk
[06:09] <ian__> I'll research it anyways, I appreciate the insight (whole reason im her ein irc is to learn so this is good)
[06:09] <ian__> ok
[06:09] <ForgeAus> (note, programs from there are unlikely to work in windows and text files have some differences in "formatting"...
[06:09] <vincent_> sub[t]rnl: just to clarify : sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[06:09] <ian__> I see... makes sence to me
[06:09] <vincent_> thats exactly what im putting in?
[06:13] <ian__> well its late and I've got an early morning so night all!
[06:14] <vincent_> mm im off too, thanks for everyones help, i might just format this thing ;)
[06:15] <bazhang> bye vincent_ good luck :}
[06:15] <vincent_> i have a feeling im going to need it :)
[06:17] <bazhang> nah youll be back here in no time oh..wait
[06:32] <seba_> hellou
[06:39] <CruCio> Indygunfreak ?
[07:11] <se7en> Dr_willis: you wrote yesterday that you would test mint ... did you and how do you like it?
[07:17] <jussi01> hmmm, does anyone know how to get clickable links in irssi? or if its even possible?
[07:17] <CruCio> How am i suppose to know what mt architecture is ?
[07:17] <CruCio> my*
[07:18] <jussi01> CruCio: whats you pc specs?
[07:18] <Firefishe> well, you're using either Intel, AMD, or what-have-you
[07:18] <Firefishe> IBM-compatible, plus the processor type
[07:19] <Firefishe> or mac, etc.
[07:21] <ardchoille> jussi01: What I did was setup Klipper (clipboard tool, icon in the tray), then hilight a url in irssi, right click the hilight and choose "Copy", if you setup klipper correctly, the klipper popup will engage asking you what you want to do with the url.. one of the default choices is "Open with konqueror" but you can add Actions in klipper's config
[07:22] <ardchoille> jussi01: That's the closest I've been able to get to "clickable url's"
[07:26] <jussi01> ardchoille: ahh, k. thanks
[07:27] <Richard_Balls> join #ubuntu
[07:30] <ardchoille> jussi01: yw
[07:30] <ardchoille> jussi01: Actually, klipper will also kick in when you hilight a url from any app
[07:30] <ardchoille> s/hilight/copy/
[07:33] <unix_infidel> anyone know how to search geotags in flickr?
[07:34] <blizzzek> hi
[07:34] <Richard_Balls> I messed around with xorg.conf and now when I start X I get a blank screen.  How can I restore it from recovery mode?
[07:35] <CruCio> anybody got java to work on ps3 ?
[07:35] <jussi01> Richard_Balls: Could you please change to a more appropriate nick. Thanks.
[07:35] <Richard_Balls> this is my name..
[07:36] <reverend_joshua> when i try to open adept i get a dialog box that says "su returns with an error"
[07:36] <reverend_joshua> have i already broken something?
[07:42] <midi3d> I keep getting close to 100% processor usage when running amarok. After closing amarokapp remains running, still near 100% usage
[07:42] <jussi01> Richard_Balls: Please change it as its not suitable for this channel. (Regardless)
[07:43] <jussi01> reverend_joshua: kde3 or kde4?
[07:43] <reverend_joshua> kde3
[07:44] <reverend_joshua> wait
[07:44] <reverend_joshua> i was thinking of something else
[07:44] <reverend_joshua> i'm using ubuntu 6.06, but i don't know if it's kde3 or kde4
[07:44] <jussi01> reverend_joshua: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:44] <reverend_joshua> er
[07:44] <reverend_joshua> kubuntu
[07:45] <jussi01> :)
[07:45] <reverend_joshua> wow, this stuff is already breaking my brain
[07:45] <reverend_joshua> it's late, too
[07:45] <jussi01> reverend_joshua: go sleep on it. much better in the morning, also, not a huge amount of helpers around atm.
[07:46] <reverend_joshua> aight
[07:46] <reverend_joshua> thanks
[07:49] <midi3d> sorry, I'm new to irc. Is my question poorly formed?
[07:52] <jussi01> !night | midi3d
[07:52] <ubotu> midi3d: It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[07:53] <midi3d> thanks. will try the forums perhaps or again tomorrow.
[07:53] <jussi01> midi3d: your question is fine, just I dont know the answer, and it seems no one else who is here does either
[07:53] <TheWhiteRook> is there a way to get compiz working in KDE 3.5 if, when I type "compiz --replace" in the Konsole, it tells me it can't find xgl, no whitelist driver found, and no /usr/bin/metacity found
[07:53] <TheWhiteRook> and then exits?
[07:54] <Jucato> !compiz
[07:54] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:54] <TheWhiteRook> thanx
[07:54] <se7en_> !grub
[07:54] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:57] <midi3d> where can I find irc documentation? More specifically, what are the "!program" commands?
[07:57] <jussi01> !bot
[07:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:57] <jussi01> midi3d: ^
[07:57] <midi3d> jussi01: thanks!
[08:01] <TheWhiteRook> mmm... compiz still doesn't work after following the instructions.
[08:01] <TheWhiteRook> still gives me the same thing
[08:06] <jussi01> TheWhiteRook: whats you gfx hardware? it may be that you have an incopatible card
[08:12] <appelza> how would i mount / extract this image: 20080110.img: x86 boot sector, LInux i386 boot LOader, extended partition table (last)\011
[08:12]  * ForgeAus shudders
[08:13] <ForgeAus> well I guess you could always rawrite it, as long as nothing on the space your rawriting it to! lol
[08:15] <midi3d> !botsnack
[08:15] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:19] <Zombocom> guys
[08:19] <Zombocom> ctrl+alt+backspace does nothing
[08:19] <Zombocom> what do I do
[08:19] <jussi01> !botabuse > midi3d
[08:19] <jussi01> Zombocom: use logout?
[08:19] <Zombocom> lol