[00:02] <clivejo> noooo
[00:03] <clivejo> KCI is gonna blame me again
[00:03] <clivejo> in one minute!
[00:05] <clivejo> valorie: are you on wily?
[00:16] <valorie> yes, wily
[00:17] <valorie> since the alpha
[00:17] <valorie> gah, I can't remember the correct invocation to upgrade to xenial
[00:18] <clivejo> could you test kvkbd in my ppa?
[00:18] <valorie> ah, got it
[00:18] <clivejo> valorie: kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[00:18] <valorie> sec, laundry and such
[00:24] <valorie> ok, can test on this wily box while the other one is upgrading
[00:25] <valorie> how to test?
[00:25] <clivejo> you can either add my PPA or just download and install the package
[00:26] <clivejo> 32 or 64 bit?
[00:26] <valorie> 64
[00:26] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/wily/+build/8303071
[00:26] <valorie> this? ppa:clivejo/wily
[00:26] <clivejo> yup
[00:29] <valorie> hmmm:
[00:29] <valorie> The following packages will be upgraded:
[00:29] <valorie>   amarok amarok-common amarok-utils kdeconnect-plasma
[00:29] <valorie> that ok?
[00:29] <valorie> why do you have a newer amarok in there?
[00:29] <clivejo> amarok, isnt mine
[00:29] <valorie> did it not get uploaded?
[00:29] <valorie> ah
[00:29] <valorie> ok
[00:30] <valorie> I was confused because the lp page didn't list that
[00:30] <clivejo> dont install those
[00:30] <valorie> but I *just* did update && full-upgrade
[00:30] <valorie> with no amarok
[00:31] <valorie> well, I can always uninstall amarok
[00:31] <valorie> I wonder if I have the beta ppa enabled or something
[00:32] <clivejo> it could be in my LP, I was playing about with it
[00:33] <clivejo> I play about with KF5 builds to see if I can get them to build
[00:34] <valorie> last time I tried building amarok, I failed
[00:35] <valorie> fortunately, the porting effort continues
[00:35] <clivejo> do you use kdeconnect?
[00:36] <valorie> yes
[00:36] <clivejo> would you test that for me too please?
[00:36] <valorie> and I basically upgraded to be able to test that on both boxes
[00:37] <clivejo> with it, make sure you are using the latest version on your phone as well
[00:39] <valorie> well, I signed up for the testing group, but unsure how to check that on my phone
[00:39] <valorie> sec
[00:56] <valorie> kdeconnect seems to be working -- this computer sees my phone and reports the battery status
[00:57] <clivejo> :)
[01:01] <valorie> on screen kbd typed this
[01:02] <valorie> but how do I get rid of it?
[01:02] <valorie> clivejo: please urge the author to get that code into kde git
[01:02] <valorie> looks a bit oxygenish, but works for me
[01:02] <clivejo> there is an icon in the system tray
[01:02] <clivejo> can change the colour
[01:02] <valorie> cool
[01:03] <clivejo> and exit it
[01:03] <valorie> now to check the upgrade to xenial
[01:03] <valorie> then dinner, I think
[01:04] <valorie> still in the setup phase
[01:04] <clivejo> bit slow?
[01:04] <valorie> it's just a lil computer
[01:04] <valorie> 65% done
[02:58] <valorie> kdeconnect is working on xenial
[03:05] <valorie> kvkbd working on xenial as well
[08:25] <stefan__> hi guys
[08:26] <stefan__> why does kubuntu-ci stable depend on qt packages which are unavailable in wily?
[08:27] <stefan__> kubuntu-ci unstable actually has newer versions of qt...
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:28] <stefan__> is this the right place to askabout kubuntu-ci packages?
[09:39] <valorie> stefan__: yes, but there are few devels here right now
[09:40] <valorie> if you can't stay around until they arrive, you can always ask on the kubuntu-devel mail list
[09:47] <stefan__> valorie: thanks
[09:48] <valorie> best of luck
[10:10] <soee> hiho
[11:20] <stefan__> hi guys
[11:20] <stefan__> why does kubuntu-ci stable depend on qt packages which are unavailable in wily?
[11:20] <stefan__> kubuntu-ci unstable actually has newer versions of qt...
[11:25] <yofel> because I obviously messed up and only copied them for unstable, sorry about that.
[11:25] <yofel> I'll fix that in a big
[11:25] <yofel> *bit
[11:26] <sitter> yofel: I think stable will need a size bump to accomodate qt
[11:26] <tsdgeos> tx
[11:26] <tsdgeos> wops, wrong channel :D
[11:28] <yofel> sitter: really? we have 9G left
[11:29] <sitter> unstable overshot substantially from qt
[11:29] <sitter> I am preping the wipe now though, so it might be fine
[11:29] <sitter> then again most of xenial doesn't build anyway, so it can't use that much space yet
[11:29] <yofel> right
[11:31] <sitter> anyway. purge running now
[11:38] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.3-168-ge8746ea * Aleix Pol: CMakeLists.txt
[11:38] <pursuivant> Trim dependencies
[11:38] <pursuivant> Remove those from Discover and backends.
[11:38] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/e8746ea278754b2bf65708176f4b6560f6e58552
[11:52] <sitter> yofel: removal requested for everything. no clue when that will finish
[11:52] <sitter> yofel: shall I remove weekly entirely?
[11:54] <yofel> thanks
[11:55] <yofel> sitter: rather leave it empty for the time being. Removing it completely annoys apt
[11:55] <yofel> and plasma beautifullness: https://kyofel.de/owncloud/index.php/s/kZCGY5UB6ncaLiP
[12:01] <sitter> :/
[12:08] <ahoneybun> mm google auth works on my desktop
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:42] <mrvanes> Could any of the devs tell me why I see "Failed to establish shared memory mapping, will fallback to private memory -- memory usage will increase" for any plasma application launched (from terminal)
[12:42] <mrvanes> I have /de/shm mounted (tempfs)
[12:42] <mrvanes> I have /dev/shm mounted (tempfs)
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Do we have a agenda for Munich?
[12:46] <yofel> we have CI future, otherwise not really
[12:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: well, depends on what that means
[12:47] <shadeslayer> technical details of CI or CI infrastructure?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> and what do we do about this http://dci.pangea.pub/job/plasma/view/Failing/job/step_binary_unstable/arch=amd64/61/console
[12:50] <yofel> well, both, as we'll have to set up our own CI instance eventually and nobody know how to do that
[12:50] <yofel> I also want to talk about changelog generation and file tracking
[12:50] <shadeslayer> for CI infrastructure I think sitter said someone needs to talk to starbuck1
[12:51] <shadeslayer> and work out something
[12:51] <shadeslayer> or mentioned something along those lines
[12:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: file tracking?
[12:51] <sitter> changelogs :@
[12:52] <yofel> CI verifying that we're not missing breaks/replaces
[12:52] <sitter> yofel: all jobs gone; all ppas got vivid sources wiped; weekly got wiped entirely
[12:52] <yofel> sitter: <3
[12:53] <clivejo> sitter: Do you know what the status of kvkbd is?
[12:53] <sitter> yofel: short term file movement is implicitly tracked through the promotion QA http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_wily_unstable/
[12:53] <shadeslayer> hurray, libkwineffects has so version bump
[12:53] <sitter> yofel: since it hasn't passed since May that ought to tell you why we have file movement problems :P
[12:53] <sitter> clivejo: no
[12:54] <yofel> sitter: "short term" ?
[12:54] <yofel> ah, between stable/unstable ?
[12:54] <sitter> autopromotion takes the previous daily ppa (last good set of builds) and attempts to upgrade from that to what is the supposedly new set of builds (!daily ppa)
[12:55] <sitter> if apt can not upgrade daily to the new builds the job fails
[12:55] <yofel> yes, but I would like something that doesn't depend on the apt dependency resolving order
[12:56] <sitter> sure, that's more tricky though :P
[12:56] <yofel> right, should still be solvable by throwing a hashmap of files into a mongodb and checking that after a build
[12:57] <yofel> or something in that direction
[12:57] <shadeslayer> mongodb, such hipster
[12:58] <sitter> shadeslayer: mongodb is yesterday's jam
[12:58] <yofel> says the guy who wrote the CI in ruby :P
[12:59] <shadeslayer> xD
[12:59] <sitter> still a step up from writing perl :P
[12:59] <yofel> sitter: what's the latest stuff? In-memory DBs on persistent memory?
[12:59] <sitter> shadeslayer: btw. g+ had something kewl today
[13:00] <sitter> yofel: I lost track
[13:00] <sitter> yofel: why do we need a db anyway
[13:00] <sitter> yofel: IMO the value of a tracking system would be 100% persistency so I'd actually dump raw data into json into a git repo
[13:00] <sitter> it could entirely be loaded into a database from there for actual runtime processing
[13:00] <yofel> sitter: because I would like something more long-term where a file can vanish for a month before someone upstream remembers to add it back to some random other component
[13:00] <sitter> but as actual storage I'd avoid any specific solution
[13:01] <sitter> yofel: right. I'd dump to json :P
[13:01] <yofel> well, fine with me, which is why I wanted to talk the implementation out in munich
[13:01] <sitter> yup
[13:02] <sitter> btw, I think nosql is no longer hip altogether
[13:02] <sitter> as far as nosql is concerned I think redis is the one I hear about the most
[13:07] <yofel> well, redis is more cache than db, but yeah, it's usually the thing you want if you need performance. So most people just go with that.
[13:09] <sitter> yofel: I literally do not care enough to even have looked into what it does :P
[13:10] <yofel> it's the same damn thing implemented from a different POV :P
[13:11] <shadeslayer> sitter: what was the cool G+ thing
[13:11] <sitter> ah yes
[13:11] <sitter> distracted
[13:11] <shadeslayer> I'm looking at the EU IOT Agenda
[13:11] <sitter> shadeslayer: https://github.com/bundler/gemstash
[13:11] <shadeslayer> some of the silly things on here
[13:11] <shadeslayer> plus, some of the domains have expired
[13:11] <shadeslayer> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/enet/projects_en.html
[13:12] <shadeslayer> first link, dead, 3rd link, dead, 5th link, dead
[13:13] <shadeslayer> someone dislikes prime numbers
[13:13] <shadeslayer> er
[13:13] <shadeslayer> odd numbers
[13:13] <shadeslayer> sitter: ooog
[13:13] <shadeslayer> ooh
[13:56] <Riddell> clivejo: seen http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.9/src/ ?
[13:56] <Riddell> annoyingly he hasn't changed that tar name
[14:18] <yofel> ok, our packageset in xenial looks fixed - if it weren't for ECM
[14:19] <yofel> and I need to merge 6 packages with the archive, grrr
[14:35] <mck182> any updates on the workspace package for wily?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> why this is fun
[14:36] <shadeslayer> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#BitTorrent
[15:06] <sgclark> morning
[15:07] <yofel> I just deleted kscreenlocker in ci/unstable for wily, that should get the CI build accepted I hope
[15:47] <shadeslayer> so uh, apparently armhf is now building libkwinglutils.so
[15:47] <shadeslayer> but we go all : Architecture: amd64 arm64 i386 powerpc ppc64el
[15:47] <shadeslayer> for that package
[15:47] <yofel> what does the package architecture have to do with the cmake configuration?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: did kwin recently enable building of libkwinglutils on armhf?
[15:48] <yofel> he did post something about runtime gl/es detection
[15:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:48] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: yes, as yofel says: there is no kwinglesutils more
[15:49] <shadeslayer> right, kwinglutils is now combined?
[15:49] <mgraesslin> one kwinglutils to bind them, one to rule them all
[15:49] <shadeslayer> roger
[15:49] <yofel> XD
[15:49] <shadeslayer> can drop Arch here then
[15:49] <mgraesslin> yep
[15:49] <mgraesslin> I pointed that out in the blog post
[15:49] <shadeslayer> right, I just re read it
[15:50] <shadeslayer> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kwin.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=42dddbb6d42b8dc0ecd98b979120c38194d7c278
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ;)
[16:29] <clivejo> Riddell: I did see it and I packaged it, but Ive used the maintainer verison number.  The previous versions are 0.0+git
[16:30] <clivejo> not sure if that was wise to do or not
[16:33] <Riddell> clivejo: use the upstream version number
[16:34] <clivejo> Riddell: its in my PPA as kdeconnect-plasma 0.9-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[16:34] <Riddell> clivejo: that looks good yes
[16:34] <clivejo> but I think Ive found a bug
[16:34] <clivejo> need someone else to verify it though
[16:35] <clivejo> do you use it?
[16:35] <Riddell> yes
[16:35] <clivejo> can you still browse your phone via dolphin?
[16:36] <Riddell> clivejo: where do I install it from?
[16:36] <clivejo> Ive recently changed my LAN config, so it might be that causing problems
[16:36] <clivejo> either wily or xenial in my PPA
[16:36] <Riddell> browing from dolphin is done with kio-mtp isn't it?
[16:37] <Riddell> oh no there's a kdeconnect:// kioslave
[16:37] <clivejo> Im getting an error messaging saying that the file or folder doesnt exist
[16:37] <Riddell> ok browsing works good with 0.0+git20150810-0ubuntu1
[16:38] <clivejo> but Im on xenial at the moment
[16:40] <Riddell> clivejo: yep still working good on wily
[16:40] <Riddell> clivejo: but in my experience kio-mtp is kindae flakey and doesn't work sometimes with the error you said
[16:40] <Riddell> so I expect kdeconnect will be the same
[16:40] <Riddell> which might be the fault of the phone or something lower down the stack on linux
[16:41] <clivejo> I think its a local issue
[16:44] <clivejo> strange
[16:45] <clivejo> Riddell: do you know what is going on with kvkbd ?
[16:45] <Riddell> clivejo: nothing as far as I know
[16:45] <clivejo> is it part of KDE or 3rd party?
[16:46] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/kvkbd
[16:46] <clivejo> would be very handy with touch screens!
[16:49] <clivejo> *pokes ahoneybun to see if he would test it on ubuntu phone*
[16:52] <Riddell> clivejo: we use malitt I think it is on the phone
[16:53] <clivejo> ah, so obsolete
[16:54] <clivejo> well I packaged the 2014 version yesterday and it appears to work
[18:09] <yofel> mck182: ^
[18:09] <mck182> yofel: YESSSS!!!!!! YOU HEROOO!!!!
[18:09] <mck182> also, thank you.
[19:10] <clivejo> Riddell: how do I go about getting kdeconnect-plasma tested/QA and get it into the archives?
[19:11] <clivejo> The author says on the andriod app that Kubuntu is slow about rolling out new features
[19:13] <Riddell> clivejo: ask for testers here with !testers and on the mailing list and get someone with upload privilages to upload it, you can also build it for wily and put it into backports ppa and actual backports
[19:14] <clivejo> its in both my wily and xenial PPA
[19:16] <clivejo> and how do I link the LP page to KDE, or is that possible?
[19:16] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma
[19:17] <clivejo> should I build one for vivid too?
[19:18]  * clivejo would have to make a vivid pbuilder to do that
[19:26]  * clivejo feels like hes talking to himself again and wanders off
[19:27]  * genii makes a large tasty pot of coffee, washes out everyone's mugs and leaves them next to the coffeepot
[19:31]  * yofel hands clivejo the "You have mastered the secrets of IRC" scroll and goes back into hiding
[19:35] <Riddell> clivejo: don't bother with vivid, supporting more than one version for backports isn't sustainable
[19:49] <soee> hiho, im finaly back after some ban :/
[21:48] <alket> hi, who is the release manager now ?
[21:49] <mparillo> yofel: and sgclark
[21:49] <alket> thanks mparillo
[21:53] <alket> lets hope they do a fine release for 16.05
[21:53] <alket> *04
[21:53] <yofel> that's the plan ;)
[21:58] <sgclark> yep!
[22:08] <alket> please don't get me wrong, im just saying because its going to be my distro for work for the next 2 years
[22:09] <alket> thank you for you hard work
[22:39] <valorie> soee: ban?
[22:40] <valorie> ooops, gotta go, but perhaps tell about it in -offtopic?
[22:48] <clivejo> o/ valorie
[22:53] <clivejo> Riddell: do you know how to figure out why my KDEConnect file browser isnt working?


[04:20] <FASssl_> why do you get special treatment? that seems to be the only thing that you get from us respecting your gender. yet it is more than my gender gets most of the time. basically you are being controlled by men and exploited so that you have to work harder
[04:20] <FASssl_> and the family suffers
[04:21] <FASssl_> there is nothing you can say about asserting yourself that doesn't first remove man
[04:21] <maco> someone clearly can't read /topic
[04:21] <rww> someone clearly is Hoober.
[04:21] <maco> rww: aww i wanted to point out the LOGGED in all caps
[04:25] <rww> maco: channels being logged are less of a deterrant against trolls than some people think :\
[04:26] <maco> first one ive seen here
[04:26] <rww> maybe those two are oddballs even amongst trolls. I suspect they enjoy reading -ops logs, so...
[04:42] <elky> maco, that'd be fine if we, the select lucky few, weren't getting that in PM every few days.
[04:42] <elky> (or variations on the same theme)
[04:42] <maco> ew
[04:42] <maco> ive only gotten it once in pm
[09:25] <Tm_T> perhaps interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Female_participation
[09:49] <valorie> that is a good followup from inside
[09:49] <valorie> what is always missing from that sort of discussion, it seems to me, is: what is our goal? If it is more diversity, then we need to change our behavior
[09:49] <valorie> but they never seem to get around to that
[09:49] <valorie> discouraging
[09:52] <valorie> I guess it's just difficult for humans to get past defensiveness
[09:57] <Tm_T> valorie: hmm, I remember seen a mention of what's the goal in Wikipedia, just cannot say directly where
[10:00] <valorie> sure, but what people say, and what they are really working for..... sometimes the opposite
[10:00] <valorie> someone who is PROUD of removing articles?
[10:00] <valorie> that's crazy
[10:08] <hypatia> it's a common thing on wp, valorie
[10:08] <hypatia> "deletionists"
[10:10] <Tm_T> what I do not understand, is the folks who desire to delete pages because they're not complete
[10:11] <valorie> that seems bizarre to me, as well as the others allowing it
[10:11] <valorie> in incomplete page is just that
[10:11] <valorie> "needs more info"
[10:12] <hypatia> Tm_T: that's something different from deletionists
[10:14] <hypatia> who delete stuff for it being not notable
[10:30] <Tm_T> hypatia: I know, but still
[10:33] <hypatia> just being clear :)
[10:34] <hypatia> i think deleting "incomplete" pages regardless of notability is silly too
[10:40] <Tm_T> all the bureaucracy in Wikipedia has mostly kept me away from it
[10:46] <elky> Yeah, I see it as policy geek pile on. Not interested in that kthx.
[10:46] <valorie> I made some edits years ago, but who knows if they were erased or what
[10:47] <valorie> niters all
[10:47] <nigelb> valorie: I'm confusd whether to wish you good morning or good night ;)
[10:47] <elky> how about a good sleep?
[10:47] <nigelb> Yeah, that works.  Good sleep valorie :)
[13:15] <svaksha> For some years now, WP has become all about how aggressive you are in pushing forth your POV.


[12:47] <elmo> Riddell: why's kde-i18n-el packaged separately?
[12:48] <Riddell> elmo: they're all packaged separately now
[12:49] <Riddell> elmo: used to be one big source file, now it's split up by upstream, -el happens to be a new one with this release
[12:49] <elmo> do they use insane two letter country codes upstream too?
[12:49] <elmo> and are Debian doing the same thing?
[12:52] <Riddell> elmo: the country codes come from upstream and match the current binary packages
[12:52] <Riddell> havn't asked Debian yet what they're doing
[12:54] <Riddell> what's wrong with two letter language codes? every other language package seems to use them
[12:55] <elmo> -uk, -ca, -el are all horribly confusing
[12:55] <elmo> and that's just the three I know of offhand, I suspect there are plenty more
[12:55] <elmo> in any event, as you say, the current packages use that scheme, so never mind
[09:40] <JRe> morning alls
[10:20] <KaiL> elmo: uk = ukrainan, el=greek, ca=catalan?
[10:20] <KaiL> what's difficult on this?
[10:21] <KaiL> or do you want to write the full names?
[10:24] <KaiL> kde-i18n-nds works.
[10:25] <KaiL> kde-i18n-de too
[10:31] <KaiL> kaffeine crashes, while xine doesn't want to exit
[10:36] <JRe> KaiL: :(
[10:37] <KaiL> did we have all that small apps from kdegraphics in hoary too?
[10:38] <JRe> KaiL: what apps
[10:38] <JRe> ?
[10:38] <KaiL> kgamma, kruler, kview
[10:39] <JRe> KaiL: you mean installed by default?
[10:39] <KaiL> yes
[10:39] <JRe> KaiL: no
[10:39] <KaiL> and kopete depends on xmms - gar, this happenes with every update...
[10:40] <JRe> KaiL: why kopete depends on xmms ?
[10:41] <KaiL> duno, seams to be a "bad joke" from the guy, who once created that package
[10:41] <KaiL> and comes back again and again
[10:42] <KaiL> juk also crashes (I think, I already said this)
[10:43] <JRe> KaiL: wow seems to be many work to do|
[10:44] <KaiL> finally missing: openoffice.org2-kde, amarok, kscreensaver (=kdeaddons) and k3b
[10:45] <KaiL> ....not, that I'd be sad, if we drop screensavers at all (as they are only a waste of energy)
[10:46] <JRe> make kopete depending on xmms is a bad joke :(
[10:52] <JRe> KaiL: we have someone to fix the depency of kopete and there is a bug report for the JuK crash?
[11:33] <opi> morning :-)
[11:51] <JRe> morning
[01:14] <Riddell> elmo: python-qt3 needs either to move to universe or for libqscintilla5c2 to move to main so the new version can compile
[01:15] <Riddell> elmo: nothing depends on it so it could be moved to universe but I expect at least 1 package in main to depend on it soon so it might have to move back again
[01:17] <elmo> what's going to depend on it?
[01:18] <doko> Riddell, what's the status of xpdf-utils? can it be replaced?
[01:18] <Riddell> elmo: guidance, system configuration tools http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[01:19] <Riddell> doko: it's used by kpdf to get information out of PDF files, it could be moved to a suggest if it's a problem but it would be nice to have the functionality by default
[01:19] <elmo> that's definitely going to  main?
[01:20] <Riddell> elmo: not definately, so I'm happy for python-qt3 to be moved to universe for the moment
[01:20] <doko> Riddell: can we have this as an interim solution, so that kubuntu-desktop get's installable again?
[01:20] <elmo> I wish I knew why it was in main for hoary
[01:20] <doko> elmo: simple: build-dep for hpij
[01:21] <elmo> Riddell: could you investigate using a poppler based tool instead?  pitti did this for cups, and it didn't take him very long.  you might even be able to reuse his work
[01:21] <Riddell> doko: ok
[01:21] <elmo> doko: hplip doesn't use it anymore?
[01:21] <elmo> Riddell: (feel free to do what doko's asking first tho)
[01:21] <Riddell> hplip seems to be in universe
[01:21] <elmo> the source isn't
[01:21] <Riddell> right
[01:21] <doko> elmo: I did split hplip into hplip and hplip-base
[01:21] <elmo> nor is hpijs
[01:22] <doko> hplip still uses python-qt3
[01:23] <elmo> doko: hmm, ok
[01:23] <doko> the debian maintainer doesn't want to drop the build-dep for Debian. he says, the upstream pregenerated files are often just wrong
[01:24] <elmo> I've demoted python-qt for now then
[01:24] <Riddell> elmo: groovy
[01:25] <doko> elmo: what about libqt-perl (debconf build dep)
[01:26] <elmo> doko: hum.
[01:26] <doko> maybe we should move that to #u-d
[01:27] <elmo> Riddell: you guys happy with supporting kdebindings?
[01:28] <Riddell> elmo: yep
[01:28] <Riddell> elmo: kdebindings is also needed for koffice, and I expect parts of koffice to be in the next kubuntu
[01:29] <doko> elmo: well, in that case, we can keep python-qt3 in main as well ...
[01:29] <elmo> doko: buh, seriously?
[01:29] <Riddell> doko: python-qt3 doesn't come from kdebindings
[01:29] <Riddell> the version in kdebindings is out of date
[01:30] <doko> Riddell, no, but if we offer bindings for perl, there should be bindings for python as well. you remember, python everywhere ;)
[01:31] <elmo> ok, promoted libqt-perl
[01:31] <Riddell> doko: need to get debconf re-written in python
[01:38] <doko> Riddell: do the two FTBFS look fixable for you?
[01:39] <Riddell> doko: yep, pretty sure the fixes for those are already in upstream, I just need to dig them out, will do so today
[01:40] <doko> fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again
[01:40] <Riddell> will the buildd's automatically pick up that python-qt3 has been demoted?
[01:40] <doko> don't know, ask infinity
[01:46] <hunger> doko: It isen't. amarok, k3b, kscreensaver and openoffice.org2-kde did not yet make it into the archives.
[01:48] <Riddell> hunger: we just discussed amarok and k3b and I'll sort them today
[01:49] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, I only picked up "doko>fine, then kubuntu-desktop should be installable again" :-)
[01:50] <Riddell> hunger: kdeartwork (not part of kubuntu-desktop) can't complile because of xscreensaver-gl
[01:50] <Riddell> doko: does someone just need to upload a new xscreensaver-gl to fix that so it'll pick up the correct shlibs?
[01:51] <doko> what do you want to fix?
[01:54] <Riddell> no, I'm wrong, it's the build-dep on xlibmesa-glu-dev that's the problem
[01:57] <doko> xlibmesa-glu-dev -> x11proto-gl-dev
[03:12] <Riddell> doko: how desperatly do you want kubuntu-desktop to be installable
[03:13] <Riddell> I'd like to recert the depends on the kde module's meta-packages back to what KDE ships with then fix the kubuntu seed to include what we ship with
[03:13] <Riddell> s/recert/revert/
[03:13] <doko> Riddell, how desperatly do you want buildable CD's?
[03:14] <Riddell> yep, but it should be done at some point so I think now is as good as any
[03:15] <doko> ask Kamion about it. we definitely need an xorg update for the CD's
[03:36] <amu> moin'
[03:40] <Riddell> hello amu, any plans for today?
[03:42] <amu> not excatly, most is done, got millions of mails, need about 15-30min. more
[03:53] <uniq> riddell: let me know if there is anything i can do to help.
[03:55] <Riddell> uniq: could look at konversation package, there's a bugzilla entry saying changes need mergin from debian
[03:55] <uniq> ok.. will do.
[04:01] <doko> amu: two FTBFS ... k3b and amarok
[04:02] <amu> k3b looks fine, finally there's also a new upstream version :)
[04:03] <uniq> amu: i have done some work on packaging amarok 1.2.4.. the debian/ dir is ready and all.. gcc4-compile-fix.patch and all.. but some too-advanced-for-me-to-understand compile error stops me from making the package.
[04:03] <uniq> i can publish the sources if someone would like to take a look.
[04:05] <amu> uniq: would be good if you add your patch to the bts
[04:05] <uniq> will do.
[04:06] <JRe> uniq: yeah i'll try to help if i can do something
[04:09] <KabelKasper> Hello, does anybody know where i can get the python2.4-dcop package?
[04:09] <uniq> amu: you're thinking about #11082 or #11285 ?
[04:09] <Riddell> KabelKasper: python-dcop
[04:11] <KabelKasper> Riddell: But this has dependencies to >=python2.3
[04:11] <KabelKasper> I wnat to try the rename_hdd scriptfrom Rajeev J Sebastian
[04:11] <Riddell> KabelKasper: yeah, it's broken in hoary I'm afraid
[04:11] <uniq> amu: i'm adding the potch to #11082
[04:12] <KabelKasper> Riddell: ;(
[04:26] <amu> uniq: the lang files are beeing extracted from the kubuntu debs, he should be sure he installed also the langpacks
[04:27] <uniq> amu: like kde-i18n-XX ?
[04:29] <uniq> I have kde-i18n-nb. but amarok is still english for me.
[04:30] <amu> language-pack-XX or language-support-xx
[04:31] <uniq> bbl.. birthday party for one of my co-workers.
[04:31] <uniq> ok.
[04:38] <JRe> cheers!
[04:39] <uniq> great :)
[04:39] <uniq> I'll go celebrate my coworkers birthday.. and the release of 3.4.1 then :)
[04:40] <KaiL> "from the ---KDE dept" << uhm, what? :)
[04:40] <uniq> amu: the patch is at #11082 if you want it.. posted at the wrong place.. though. :|
[04:40] <uniq>  gtg.
[04:40] <JRe> KabelKasper: lol
[04:41] <KabelKasper> JRe: ?
[04:41] <JRe> KabelKasper: oups sorry it was a KaiL: lol missed ;) ;)
[04:42] <Riddell> KaiL: I thought it would be nice to welcome our new greek translation pack
[04:43] <amu> uniq: ;) no prob
[04:44] <KaiL> there wasn't one before?
[04:45] <amu> "but it seems the po files are extracted" they are extracted .... if they arent it's a bug :) i'll ask pitti ( he's responsable for it, case you have one more problem)
[04:45] <KaiL> ah, artsd back at work :)
[04:48] <KaiL> ...that fixes juk.
[05:03] <amu> uniq: pitti confirms there's a problem with non-kde base packages and their translations ....
[05:04] <Riddell> KaiL: in breezy?
[05:30] <amu> holy shit, new k3b is bit more than just recompiling :)
[05:30] <JRe> amu: ;)
[05:32] <KaiL> Riddell: yes
[05:33] <Riddell> KaiL: cool
[05:33] <KaiL> but not kaffeine :(
[05:34] <KaiL> Riddell: eh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[05:34] <KaiL> scroll down ;)
[05:44] <KaiL_> stupid German Telekom :(
[05:48] <Riddell> KaiL_: what am I looking for on BreezyGoals?
[05:48] <KaiL_> the list of kubuntu testers ;)
[05:49] <JRe> ;) ;)
[05:51] <Riddell> of course, forgot about that :)
[06:04] <KaiL_> wow, even konserve haves as it did with hoary (means: it still crashes)+
[06:10] <KaiL_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html lists kpdf as being uninstallable....?!?
[06:10] <Riddell> KaiL_: yeah, I'll fix that today
[06:10] <Riddell> depend on xpdf-utils
[06:11] <KaiL_> and that's in universe?
[06:11] <Riddell> yes
[06:12] <opi> Riddell: apt-geting 3.4.1
[06:12] <opi> Riddell: it will take another 16 minutes
[06:12] <opi> Riddell: hope I will be able to work on this computer after this ;)
[06:13] <Riddell> everyone is very pessimistic about 3.4.1
[06:13] <opi> :-)
[06:13] <opi> I'm not
[06:13] <opi> you've proved quality of your work with Kubuntu
[06:13] <KabelKasper> Works nice here
[06:13] <KaiL_> Riddell: why?
[06:14] <Riddell> KaiL_: why what?
[06:14] <KaiL_> pessimistic
[06:14] <Riddell> dunno, they should be saying "oh boy, can't wait to try that new Greek language pack" or something
[06:15] <opi> Oh boy, I can't wait to try new Polish language pack (OK, I'm lying, I'm not using -pl language pack;-)
[06:16] <KabelKasper> Why should i try the new Greek language pack? I won't be able to read anything. ;)
[06:16] <Riddell> KabelKasper: it's new in this release is all
[06:17] <KaiL_> de was already complete, nds not that much better - everything else I don't understand ;p
[06:18] <opi> *doh*, 2Kb/s from kde.org ;(
[06:18] <Riddell> de may not make it into kofficce 1.4
[06:18] <KaiL_> Riddell: ?!
[06:18] <Riddell> only 60% translated
[06:19] <KaiL_> and that's not enough?
[06:20] <Riddell> 75% is the threshold for KDE with 90% kdelibs
[06:21] <KaiL_> but only kdebase afair
[06:22] <KaiL_> see nds translation
[06:24] <Riddell> KaiL_: oh yes, you're right
[06:29] <KaiL_> intel has started to deliver Celerons with 64Bit extenstion - that could give some more amd64 users soon
[06:31] <opi> ;-)
[06:36] <Riddell> hello dato, I hear you became a Debian Developer, congratulations
[06:36] <dato> yes, thanks :)
[07:08] <KaiL_> Riddell: kpilot fixed?
[07:08] <Riddell> KaiL_: the patch is in the packages
[07:09] <KaiL_> let's hope for a "kdepim <IP_ADDRESS>" :)
[10:00] (uniq/#kubuntu-devel) i agree.
[10:03] <KaiL_> kde3.4.1 backport yes, but not every app possible (imho)
[10:03] <KaiL_> except if the old version is unusable (konserve)
[10:04] <KaiL_> also amarok on breezy is more important :)
[10:05] <uniq> i've tried to build amarok on breezy.. some obscured error while compiling.
[10:06] <uniq> I have the package files ready though.
[10:06] <uniq> the debian/ dir.
[10:06] <amu> i'll try for hoary
[10:07] <uniq> i based my package on the debian package.. it's much cleaner than the current ubuntu package.
[10:07] <amu> bbl ubuntu-meeting
[10:07] <uniq> k.
[10:08] <KaiL_> das heit #ubuntu-meeting
[10:08] <KaiL_> ...for the others to have something to click on :p
[10:14] <amu> heh
[10:49] <venda> anyone here ready to answer license questions
[10:51] <uniq> probably a bad time.. considering the technical board meeting.
[10:52] <uniq> you can always ask.. and just wait :)
[10:53] <uniq> don't think i can answer it for you though, i will if i can.
[11:07] <venda> uniq: ok here goes
[11:07] <venda> over at doteam we have a dual license regime
[11:07] <venda> all docs are under GFDL and CC BY SA 2.0
[11:07] <venda> lets say we find a doc out there under GFDL
[11:08] <venda> the lic permits us to use it
[11:08] <venda> but we want to use it in a doc that is under the dual regime.
[11:08] <venda> Is there a problem
[11:09] <uniq> I wouldn't know that.. sorry.
[11:09] <uniq> what does the GFDL say about other licences?
[11:09] <venda> ok thanks
[11:34] <amu> uniq: can be a cdbs problem
[11:34] <uniq> maybe.
[11:35] <amu> i'll continue :)
[11:36] <uniq> kdelibs 3.4.1 depends on cdbs >=0.4.27
[11:36] <uniq> i have 0.4.26-1ubuntu1 on hoary.
[11:45] <uniq> amu: http://frode.kde.no/pb-hacks/ if you wanted to have a look.
[11:47] <uniq> simple bashscripts.
[11:49] <amu> uniq: i'll pt it onto the queue, still uploading/testing live, testing new k3b .. building and testing new blender ...
[11:50] <uniq> sure.. :)
[11:50] <uniq> i'm just feeding you even more info. :)