[01:40] <ball> Does Lubuntu include a software firewall?
 on the iso no but I there are several in the repos but am pretty sure we have no open ports by default
[01:48] <ball> lynorian: Ah ok.  My family have asked me to stand up a Minecraft server and I can't seem to connect to it.
[01:49] <ball> (and the port doesn't show up on an nmap scan)
[01:49] <ball> Perhaps it's just not going up that high in the list of ports though.


[11:25] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: 5 New Year’s Resolutions for Fans of Open Source & Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=158369 (by Joey Sneddon)
[22:20] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Sean Davis: Catfish 1.4.12 Released @ https://bluesabre.org/2020/01/01/catfish-1-4-12-released/


[08:59] <Ecki> I have got a tip on Askubuntu.com:
[08:59] <Ecki> Install hplip-gui
[08:59] <Ecki> I have done that and am now going to reboot.
[08:59] <Ecki> So I think I need to say goodbye here.
[08:59] <Ecki> I will concentrate on Askubuntu but might return here later.
[10:19] <sid41> hi team
[10:20] <sid41> i have installed xubuntu on mu compaq presario C 700 laptop
[10:20] <Maik> !ask
[10:20] <Maik> !discuss
[10:21] <Maik> or #xubuntu-offtopic for that matter
[10:21] <sid41> i have installed xubuntu on my compaq presario C 700 laptop and im constantly hearing a crackling sound from the speakers
[10:22] <sid41> can anyone help me in fixing this issue
[10:23] <sid41> hi maik
[20:37] <heyyBae> hey! i just installed xubuntu 20.04.2 but i am facing some problem. when i open software store, a message is showing that automatic updates are paused. but i checked all the settings are okay. how to fix it?
[21:22] <tree111> hello. i have a problem. my windows installation got damaged during update and one thing let to another i accidentally deleted the 500mb partition that i believe was efi. then to cut thing short i install another xubuntu in my windows allocated space in attempt to restore everything so i can format it later with windows. i pick the install xubuntu alongside xubuntu option. and now my problem is i cant reinstall windows into that spa
[21:22] <tree111> ven though i already format it because it is part of extended partition with the first xubuntu installation. is there a way to take that space, make it into primary partition without hurting the existing first xubuntu installation?
[21:27] <gnrp> tree111: What you are writing is a lot... Can you maybe list what your current partitions are like, what is installed on them, and how you want it to be?
[21:32] <tree111> unallocated    514 MB
[21:32] <tree111> /dev/sda1    extended   297.59GB
[21:32] <tree111>      unallocated                  97.66GB
[21:32] <tree111> oh wait
[21:33] <tree111> /dev/sda5    ext4   199.93GB
[21:34] <tree111> the unaalocated and sda5 is both under the extended sda1
[21:34] <tree111> i want to install windows in the unallocated 97.66 gb
[21:34] <tree111> but i got error, saying it cant create partition
[21:35] <gnrp> tree111: Oh, I see
[21:36] <gnrp> tree111: That is pretty messed up^^
[21:37] <gnrp> tree111: I assume you had an efi boot partition in the beginning?
[21:37] <gnrp> how new is your computer?
[21:37] <tree111> yeah, had
[21:37] <tree111> its old
[21:37] <tree111> core 2 duo old
[21:38] <gnrp> ah, ok
[21:40] <gnrp> tree111: So there would be one solution, that you delete /dev/sda5, create a logical partition which would fill exactly the unallocated space and then create another logical partition that starts where before sda5 started
[21:40] <gnrp> anyway, you would very likely have to reinstall grub
[21:41] <tree111> yeah thats the problem. not the reinstall grub. but sda5 is my current xubuntu
[21:41] <gnrp> and I would not recommend to do this anyway via help of an IRC or any other remote help, since it is quite critical and your computer needs to be offline, obviously
[21:42] <gnrp> you cannot create a new partition in the unallocated space because an extended partition is essentially a single-linked list, one parition points to the start of the next one. So if you would add another one... sda5 would have to be sda6, and things would not be in order anymore
[21:42] <gnrp> tree111: Also read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_record
[21:42] <tree111> is it possible to do it via live usb
[21:43] <gnrp> tree111: That's what you would need, yes. But it is still a difficult thing that will with a vrey high chance destroy your system
[21:44] <tree111> at this point, i really dont mind. i already backup everything. it just annoying to redownload and reconfigure stuff with fresh installation, so i'll try anything at this point haha
[21:44] <gnrp> tree111: Then try it out. ;)
[21:44] <gnrp> so you would note the exact block location of sda6
[21:44] <gnrp> then delete it
[21:45] <gnrp> create a new sda5 which is before it
[21:45] <gnrp> and then create sda6 in the exact location where before sda5 was
[21:45] <gnrp> (making sure the sda5 you just created does not overlap, of course. So it should be exactly the size of the 97.66GB unallocated space)
[21:46] <gnrp> tree111: Anyway, for any future installation: When you are dealing with an MBR boot, make sure to install windows first. Best option is to boot Linux, set up the partitions, and then boot into Windows, install it, then boot Linux, install it
[21:46] <gnrp> and another thing: It is advisable to make a /home partition to separate user data from system data. This saves you a lot of hassle when you reinstall
[21:46] <tree111> so, if i boot from liveusb, i can remove the 97gb unallocated from the extended and make it primary?
[21:47] <gnrp> you would have to remove the extended partition then, and shift it. It is equally possible
[21:47] <tree111> ah, thanks. i was looking for that info
[21:47] <gnrp> what I proposed is that you only delete the one logical partition and make one new logical partition in the unallocated space and another one in exactly the space of the previous one
[21:48] <tree111> i'll try it. thanks
[23:36] <tree111> @gnrp thanks for the help. it worked. using liveusb to resize the extended partition and then create primary partition from there. and windows manage to get installed. and repair grub after.


[13:42] <s1> !notunity > s1
[13:42] <lubotu3`> s1, please see my private message
[23:05] <s1> !notunity
[23:05] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu 11.10 uses GNOME 3 with the !unity shell by default.  To use GNOME Shell instead, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool".  For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place entries in the Sessions drowpdown. Using Natty? See !classic


[00:02] <ninnypants> also these are the last couple entries from my mail.log file Nov  5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/smtpd[24093]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Success
[00:02] <ninnypants> Nov  5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/master[6788]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 24122 exit status 1
[00:02] <ninnypants> Nov  5 23:59:29 Directories postfix/master[6788]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite: bad command startup -- throttling
[00:03] <ninnypants> sorry thought I'd copied the link http://pastebin.org/51273
[00:07] <jmedina> and what about postfix check?
[00:09] <ninnypants> it gives me this postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 49: missing '=' after attribute name: "dovecot unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}"
[00:10] <ninnypants> unless I format it like this: dovecot=unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}
[00:10] <ninnypants> which is incorrect
[00:12] <JJman> i need to reinstall a program (mysql)  whats the best way to remove & reinstall should i do a reinstall or remove or purge or autoremove?
[00:14] <Reepicheep> JJman: are you interested in starting over.. configs and all?
[00:16] <JJman> Reepicheep: yea thats fine cause i have to reinstall phpmyadmin afterwards.
[00:18] <Reepicheep> JJman: then you may as well just go ahead and purge it .. then if you want to get rid of the data make sure /var/lib/mysql and /var/lib/mysql-cluster are both removed or moved out of the way
[00:19] <JJman> will the data be overwritten if there are changes in the install to user?  only user added/changed is root i changed its name
[00:20] <Reepicheep> JJman: are you refering to the data in the database?
[00:20] <JJman> yar.
[00:20] <jmedina> ninnypants: what ubuntu version?
[00:20] <JJman> since i renamed the 'root' user
[00:21] <ninnypants> 8.4
[00:21] <Reepicheep> JJman: If you want to preserve that you better back that up first
[00:21] <jmedina> I recommend migrato jaunty or karmic and install postfix-dovecot
[00:21] <jmedina> it is preconfigured :)
[00:21] <Reepicheep> JJman: root as in mysql root user, correct?
[00:21] <JJman> yep
[00:22] <JJman> i can recreate it its no biggie.  just the 1 user
[00:22] <ninnypants> jmedina: can't not my server
[00:22] <Reepicheep> well when you install mysql-server it will create a root user for that mysql install
[00:23] <JJman> I purged both client & server but i still can run mysql from cmd.  although it won't connect. as there's a socket error
[00:23] <Reepicheep> JJman: I'm curriuos why you renamed the mysql 'root' user?
[00:23] <JJman> so it obviously didn't purge
[00:23] <JJman> errr because everyoen know's 'root'  so its obviously more secure to rename it
[00:24] <JJman> rule #1 rename your root
[00:24] <JJman> ;-)
[00:24] <Reepicheep> oh.. I see.. I useually just make it so only localhost can login as root.. and also set a root password
[00:25] <JJman> ok now mysql is gone.  i had 2 versions of the client installed
[00:25] <Gorlist> does mytop come standard with mysql?
[00:25] <Reepicheep> JJman: you may also see mysql-common installed
[00:26] <JJman> this is the problem i'm having i want mysql 5.1 installed but when i go to install phpmyadmin it uninstall's 5.1 and installs 5.0
[00:26] <JJman> its extremely annoying
[00:26] <JJman> how can i search what mysql* related packages are installed
[00:27] <jmedina> dpkg -l
[00:28] <Reepicheep> JJman: you may want to install phpmyadmin from source instead of the package then
[00:28] <Reepicheep> it's pretty straight forward to setup
[00:29] <JJman> ok .   whats this dpkg -l showing me.  thats not stuff thats only installed, right.  cause its showing the packages i just purged
[00:30] <Reepicheep> JJman: do an "aptitude show <package-name>" on one of the questionable packages, see if it claims to be installed there
[00:33] <Reepicheep> JJman: what does the like in "dpkg -l" start with?
[00:33] <JJman> i think the problem i'm having with phpmyadmin has to do with the version conflict in php5-mysql  that appears to be using an older version
[00:34] <JJman> not sure what u mean
[00:35] <Reepicheep> when you do a "dpkg -l" and it displays say the package "mysql-server" does the line stat with "ii" or something different
[00:37] <Reepicheep> if it start with a "u" it is not installed
[00:38] <Reepicheep> JJman: "aptitude show mysql-server | grep State" may be handy also
[00:40] <JJman> yea i see ii
[00:40] <JJman> for most things except for mysql 5.1  has rc in front
[00:40] <JJman> 5.0 says ii
[00:42] <Reepicheep> JJman: "ii" => Desired: installed ; Status: Installed
[00:43] <JJman> & rc
[00:43] <geoffmcc> maybe its a dumb question or maybe its just so the user can have more customization over ubuntu but i recently started using ubuntu server to host my own webpage. one thing i noticed is that there is no or seems to be no firewall by default, why is this?
[00:43] <JJman> there's apparmor
[00:44] <JJman> not sure thats the same
[00:44] <jmedina> a Firewall wont protect you agains http attacks
[00:44] <jmedina> at least not a IP firewall
[00:44] <Reepicheep> JJman: "rc" => Desired: Remove ; Status: Config-files
[00:44] <geoffmcc> i just figured a firewall would normally be desired
[00:45] <JJman> mod_security is supposed to help i think in that regard
[00:45] <Reepicheep> JJman: this might help http://paste.ubuntu.com/311068/
[00:49] <JJman> thx
[00:50] <JJman> attempting to install phpmyadmin now from source.  (skeptical that this will help as i think the problem lies in php5-mysql library
[00:52] <Reepicheep> JJman: when I say install phpmyadmin from source I meen get your mysql server setup, get your web server setup with PHP then go to sourceforge and download phpmyadmin from there
[00:52] <JJman> i've done that
[00:52] <JJman> web server already installed & setup with php5
[00:53] <JJman> i reinstalled mysql 5.1
[00:53] <JJman> now i'm trying to install latest version of phpmyadmin
[00:53] <Reepicheep> ok.. sorry so it's the php5 that is causing the problem with mysql 5.1 then?
[00:53] <JJman> Well i 'think' it is.  this is one of the errors i was getting in phpmyadmin:
[00:53] <JJman> Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.75 differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.31. This may cause unpredictable behavior.
[00:54] <JJman> as it seems that the php mysql library is part of the php install perhaps
[00:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: still around?
[00:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[00:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: you don't have VT on your laptop, do you ?
[00:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: nope - I do *not* have VT on any of my laptop
[00:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: well that's something you should fix sometime :-)
[00:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh well
[00:57] <Reepicheep> jjman what does it return for the version when you do a "dpkg -l mysql-server"
[00:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - if Dell had chosen an Intel graphic instead of pouslbo driver for the mini 10, I would have VT extension on my dell mini
[00:57] <JJman> Reepicheep: pn  mysql-server         <none>               (no description available)
[00:58] <JJman> thats odd since i just installed 5.1
[00:58] <JJman> mysql --version
[00:58] <JJman> mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.31, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using  EditLine wrapper
[00:58] <Reepicheep> yeah.. that's interesting, does the "mysqld" command exist?
[00:58] <Reepicheep> if so run "mysqld --version"
[00:58] <JJman> mysqld --version
[00:58] <JJman> mysqld  Ver 5.1.31-1ubuntu2 for debian-linux-gnu on i486 ((Ubuntu))
[00:59] <Reepicheep> JJman: what command did you use to install it?
[01:00] <JJman> sudo apt-get install mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1
[01:00] <JJman> i'm able to loginto db (it kept renamed root even)
[01:01] <Reepicheep> ah.. ic.. try "dpkg -l mysql-server-5.1"
[01:01] <JJman> ii  mysql-server-5.1     5.1.31-1ubuntu2      MySQL database server binaries
[01:01] <Reepicheep> well if you didn't remove the data directory for the db .. it probably just kept the existing users and databases
[01:02] <JJman> which is fine
[01:02] <Reepicheep> the users are all stored in the "mysql" database
[01:03] <JJman> this is wher ei think the problem will lie when i get phpmyadmin reinstalled:
[01:03] <JJman> ii  php5-mysql           5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu MySQL module for php5
[01:03] <JJman> yea i know in the users table
[01:09] <Reepicheep> JJman: I'm not sure what else to do short or repackaging php5-mysql linked against the mysql 5.1 libraries instead of the 5.0 libraries
[01:10] <JJman> we'll see.  if this doesn't work then i'm scrapping 5.1 and going back to 5.0 where it will work with no problems
[01:10] <Reepicheep> and .. everything may work fine the way that it is
[01:11] <JJman> true
[01:11] <Reepicheep> even with that warning.. I wouldn't know though .. that would be a question for the phpmyadmin people or even maybe the mysql people
[01:11] <JJman> yea if anyone in those channels were of any help  8-p
[01:11] <JJman> I've been trying to ask for more than a day
[01:13] <Reepicheep> well that's no fun.. I don't know if I have been any help either though..
[01:13] <JJman> More than most  ;-)  appreciate it
[01:13] <Reepicheep> np.. but the issue now is that you have reminded me how late it is.. I gotta get going
[01:13] <JJman> k
[01:13] <JJman> peez
[01:29] <JJman> i'm installing new version of phpmyadmin should i set www-data.www-data as the owner for all the files as root now owns and they aren't accessible?
[01:46] <decoy_> #ubuntu
[02:10] <jefferai> I'm having an issue where I can't get into any services from the outside
[02:10] <jefferai> after a reboot
[02:11] <jefferai> I had this problem before, and figured it out
[02:11] <jefferai> but that was a few months ago, when I first installed it
[02:11] <jefferai> and can't remember what :-|
[02:11] <jefferai> ufw isn't installed, iptables isn't installed...
[02:11] <jefferai> but it's behaving like there's a firewall
[03:12] <Atula> hi all
[03:13] <Atula> I install ubuntu server
[03:14] <Atula> but i copy a file with charaset  utf-8
[03:14] <Atula> it's no dipslay ubuntu server
[03:15] <Atula> can i help you
[03:21] <JanC> I think utf-8 should work
[03:22] <JanC> maybe you need to change the default encoding
[03:22] <JanC> do you have an example of this problem on-line?
[03:22] <Atula> yes
[03:22] <Atula> example
[03:25] <KurtKraut> Atula, if you are having a hard time to communicate in english, I belive the guys on #ubuntu-vn speak your language.
[03:25] <Atula> i make file with name : mkdir xã
[03:26] <Atula> it's no display
[03:32] <JanC> seems to work fine here?
[03:33] <Atula> i using winscp
[03:33] <JanC> ah, maybe something get's lost in the translation from Windows to linux....
[03:33] <Atula> copy file from my computer to server ubuntu 9.10 however it's display : "x?"
[03:34] <JanC> see http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/x%C3%A3/test.txt for a test
[03:34] <JanC> so the xã works there
[03:34] <JanC> http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/xã/test.txt
[03:34] <Atula> i see
[03:34] <JanC> (should do the same)
[03:35] <Atula> ok i wiil check locale
[03:35] <JanC> I think something goes wrong between windows & linux
[03:35] <JanC> windows doesn't use utf-8
[03:36] <Atula> window: Cp1258
[03:37] <JanC> most filesystems don't "know" what filesystem is used, and filenames are encoded in whatever encoding a program assumes is okay  :-/
[03:37] <Atula> ok thanks Janc
[03:38] <JanC> so you need to find a program or program option that can convert between cp1258 & utf-8
[03:38] <Atula> ok i see
[03:38] <Atula> i can using unikey to convert
[03:39] <JanC> maybe winscp can do it on-the-fly if told to, otherwise try other tools  ;)
[03:40] <Atula> ok
[03:41] <JanC> Atula: using Ubuntu on your desktop might avoid this sort of issues too  ;)
[03:41] <crohakon> notepad++
[03:42] <crohakon> Atula, yes, ditch windows.
[03:43] <Atula> i using notepad++
[03:44] <Atula> very good editor
[03:44] <twb> Emacs and Vim both run on Windows.
[03:44] <crohakon> If I still used windows I would use notepad++ for all my coding
[03:44] <twb> FWIW I think current versions of Windows use UTF-16 as the native encoding.
[03:45] <crohakon> Now I do most of my coding over SSH on my web server so I just use nano or vi.. mostly nano because it is simple and quick.
[03:52] <JanC> twb: actually, they officially use UCS-2 with extensions that essentially mean they use UTF-16, or something like that  ;)
[03:55] <twb> IIRC UTF-16 addressed UCS-2's inability to reference codepoints outside the first plane, or perhaps vice-versa.
[03:55] <twb> Anyways, it doesn't matter.
[03:56] <twb> All we really need to do is convince .jp to drop JIS
[04:03] <JanC> twb: AFAIK Unicode is a JIS standard too  ;)
[04:05] <JanC> one issue is that glyphs have some differences between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc., but are still classified in one "plane" in unicode
[04:05] <JanC> at least, that's what I understood
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> Hi, would someone be able to explain the differences between NFS, OpenAFS, and sshfs to me?
[04:10] <JJman> can someone help me figure out why i can't get mysql reinstalled.  after several attempts to remove & reinstall.  now all i get is Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0.
[04:10] <JJman> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:11] <JJman> But i DONT" have 5.1 installed anymore  i have removed all versions and i try to install clean and it just errors out with this
[04:21] <guoxiaolong> oh no
[04:36] <twb> JJman: downgrading isn't supported.
[04:37] <JJman> i uninstalled 5.1  since i couldnt' get it working properly  but now i can't even install 5.0 as it errors out
[04:37] <JJman> so i'm NOT trying to downgrade.
[04:38] <twb> Did you use "aptitude purge"?
[04:38] <JJman> apt-get purge yep
[04:38] <twb> When it offered to delete your databases, did you tell it to do so?
[04:38] <JJman> problem was when i was installing phpmyadmin it decided it didn't want to use 5.1  so it UNINSTALLEd and installed 5.0  and fucked things up
[04:39] <JJman> nope.  is that the problem.  i kept the DB
[04:39] <twb> That would be my guess, but I tend to avoid mysql because it's so horrible.
[04:39] <JJman> lol.  why do u say that
[04:39] <twb> You can also try #mysql.
[04:40] <JJman> they are well not helpful there most of the time.  no one replies
[04:40] <JJman> i'll try remove the DB and see if that helps
[04:40] <twb> You waited a few hours for a reply?
[04:40] <JJman> yes.
[04:41] <JJman> i've waited days for a reply
[04:41] <twb> Did you ask a Smart Question? (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html)
[04:41] <JJman> #phpmyadminn #mysql are pretty useless channels in my experience
[04:42] <JJman> tahts a relative term
[04:42] <twb> Yeah -- #ubuntu* is amazingly useless.
[04:42] <twb> I only lurk here so that I can pump a few clued people like ScottK for information
[04:43] <JJman> #ubuntu is not so.  but i've gotten a lot of good elp here in ubuntu-server actually
[04:43] <JJman> help
[04:43] <JJman> i think #ubuntu just has too  many users to be helpful
[04:44] <twb> Too many idiots, you mean.  A low SNR.
[04:44] <JJman> that too
[04:45] <JJman> although i often fall into that category as i've not been using linux for years like some of these folks
[04:47] <JJman> whattya know that worked.  i got 5.0 installed again.  Thx.
[04:47] <JJman> had to reinstall 5.1 to then purge it again  ;-)
[05:33] <mneptok> MariaDB > MySQL  ;)
[05:34] <twb> As for me, I would recommend sqlite (if you want simplicity) or postgres (if you want, you know, an actual database).
[05:35] <mneptok> twb: MySQL and derivatives are "actual databases"
[05:35] <twb> Does MySQL still use a non-atomic database format on Unix by default?
[05:35] <mneptok> twb: it's nice you like Postgres, but try to avoid troll-ish FUD.
[05:36] <mneptok> twb: depends on your storage engine.
[05:36] <twb> I meant MyISAM vs. InnoDB
[05:36] <twb> (IIRC; obviously I don't deal with MySQL much.)
[05:37] <mneptok> MyISAM is atomic.
[05:38] <mneptok> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-engines.html
[05:39] <twb> Hm.  Maybe I was misremembering; Wikipedia indicates that MyISAM has an (optional?) "full ACID" mode, and merely lacks transactions.
[05:41] <mneptok> i'd go with the official documentation over Wikipedia entries.
[05:44] <twb> I believe Wikipedia more than primary sources for everything else.  I don't know why MySQL would be an exception.
[06:38]  * ScottK is not a huge RDBMS expert, but when he works on projects with people who are, they seem to lean pretty heavily to postgresql over mysql.
[06:40] <pwnguin> ScottK: its just a better place to start
[06:40] <pwnguin> i have no idea why mysql is so damn popular
[06:40] <ScottK> If popularity was related to quality, Windows would be about perfect.
[06:41] <pwnguin> however, i think "certified" experts are going to mainly lean oracle
[06:55] <twb> ScottK: that's pretty much the case for me, too.
[07:16] <\sh> pwnguin, postgresql is more oracle like then mysql ;) so postgresql is a good solution...(but lacks really some nice stuff like cluster handling and easy master slave synchronization)
[07:18] <twb> I think mysql is popular because it's easier to get going than postgres and more powerful than sqlite.
[07:18] <twb> So people think they are getting an easy-to-use robust RDBMS rather than a hard-to-use toy
[07:20] <\sh> twb, well, looking at some real world projects like booking.com it's a robust RDBMS...forget the lack of sequences...we had to make a decision in the past too...mysql or postgresql...both had pros and cons...and one of the cons for the mysql decision was the cluster package
[07:22] <\sh> s/cons/pros/
[07:22] <\sh> need coffee fast
[07:23] <MenZa> we all do, shang
[07:37] <maxagaz_> hi
[07:38] <maxagaz_> i have installed a new disk to have more space on a server
[07:38] <maxagaz_> how to prepare it
[07:38] <maxagaz_> i meant, partition, format, mount
[07:38] <maxagaz_> is there a procedure somewhere ?
[07:38] <kaushal> hi
[07:39] <kaushal> is there a way to get 8.04.2 version ?
[07:39] <jmarsden> maxagaz_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive
[07:39] <kaushal> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ gives me 8.04.3
[07:41] <\sh> maxagaz, partitioning: parted <device> ; formatting: mkfs.<your favorite fs> <your new partitions> ; vi /etc/fstab -> add your new partitions to mountpoints
[07:41] <maxagaz> jmarsden, thanks!
[07:42] <jmarsden> maxagaz: No problem.  BTW, all I did was Google for ubuntu add hard drive ... you could have done that too :)
[07:43] <tsrk> With vmbuilder, how do I specify the domain of a new VM?
[07:44] <jmarsden> tsrk: --domain DOMAIN   ... man vmbuilder has this info.
[07:46] <tsrk> jmarsden: that looks like it sets the networking domain... i'm trying to set the "name" of the VM, which I thought is also called the domain. I'm probably wrong about something here
[07:46] <jmarsden> tsrk: name as in hostname?
[07:47] <maxagaz> how to be sur of what /dev/sdx my system is booted on ?
[07:47] <tsrk> jmarsden: the name that libvirt uses
[07:47] <tsrk> maxagaz: mount
[07:49] <pwnguin> \sh: i dont disagree, just saying certified DBA employees seem to have a second job as "oracle salesman"
[07:50] <jmarsden> tsrk: Try --hostname HOSTNAME and also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests in case that helps
[07:51] <maxagaz> what is the code for ext4 partition, i can't find it in the list provided by cfdisk ?
[07:52] <\sh> pwnguin, certified oracle DBAs ;)
[07:53] <kaushal> checking in again for my query ?
[07:55] <jmarsden> kaushal: I doubt many mirrors will carry 8.04.2 ISO images any more.  As soon as you do an apt-get upgrade you'll have 8.04.3 and later anyway, so I'm not sure it is all that useful to download 8.04.2 nowadays...
[07:55] <jmarsden> maxagaz: I think you can use the same partition type code for ext4 as you use for ext3
[08:23] <mario__> Hi, how can i get SMART information from an hard disk in 8.04.3?
[08:23] <mario__> from console
[10:03] <kaushal> hi
[10:03] <kaushal> is there a way to know which package contains /etc/inetd.conf ?
[10:03] <kaushal> on Ubuntu
[10:05] <jpds> kaushal: dpkg -S /etc/inetd.conf
[10:05] <jpds> !apt-file | kaushal
[11:03] <maxagaz> how to make sure a firewall allows incoming connections on port  5900 from localhost ?
[11:06] <kblin> why would anyone filter on localhost anyway?
[11:13] <maxagaz> kblin, nmap localhost -p5900 => close
[11:13] <maxagaz> closed
[11:13] <maxagaz> how to open it ?
[11:14] <kblin> maxagaz: start a server on it?
[11:16] <maxagaz> 5900/tcp closed vnc
[11:16] <maxagaz> how to start it ?
[11:23]  * soren lunches
[11:26] <maxagaz> how to determine my X DISPLAY ?
[11:40] <\sh> maxagaz, echo $DISPLAY
[11:59] <alex88> mmhh...how can i configure my domain register to delegate dns to my vps? i've tried with NS myip but it's not working
[12:05] <Brumle> alex88: the NS record uses DNSnames, not ip addresses.  The NS records on the registrar must be the same as in your SOA record
[12:06] <alex88> mmmhhh..for example, in whois i have ns1.netsons.org ns2.netsons.org as nameserver, ad i can't change it.. in my dns panel i can add A AAAA CNAME MX TXT NS record..what should i do?
[12:08] <soren> alex88: It needs to change in the tld's nameserver.
[12:09] <alex88> so i have to change the ns1 and ns2 nameserver? can't delegate to my dns server with some kind of records?
[12:09] <soren> alex88: Think about it.. How do I know to begin with to go and look at the current DNS?
[12:10] <alex88> you mean how you can query it? or the current settings?
[12:10] <soren> No.
[12:11] <alex88> oh sry...my english is not so good..xD
[12:11] <soren> Think about it. You can't put an explanation on how to find something on the thing itself.
[12:11] <soren> If you want tell someone how to find your house, it doesn't help to put the map ON your house.
[12:11] <soren> Same thing here.
[12:11] <alex88> oh ok got it..
[12:12] <soren> Ok.
[12:12] <soren> So *something else* holds the information about which DNS to talk to for your domain.
[12:13] <alex88> mmhhh..i'll open a ticket to my domain registar
[12:14] <soren> If you want to talk to ubuntu.com, you (or a nameserver on your behalf) first asks the root name servers: "who knows somthing about .com.?". The response lists a number of name server that know about .com. You then ask those "who knows about ubuntu.com.?". You get back a list of nameservers. You can then ask talk to those about ubuntu.com.
[12:14] <soren> See?
[12:15] <soren> Changing the NS information on those final nameservers is not enough. You need to move one step back up the chain.
[12:15] <soren> (This is not strictly how it works, but it's accurate enough to explain why you're having problems)
[12:15] <alex88> oh ok, got it..
[12:16] <alex88> but, in this case, querying www.ubuntu.com ask at ubuntu.com the ip of www right?
[12:19] <alex88> i was thinking that changing some info in the ubuntu.com can delegate the www query to another nameserver..
[12:28] <Creap> dist-upgrade do not update my server to 9.10
[12:28] <Creap> how do I upgrade?
[12:32] <andol> Creap: I would say do-release-upgrade is the command you are looking for.
[12:34] <Creap> it tells me not to upgrade via ssh, but I don't have a graphics card, I hope there's usually no big problems with the upgrade?
[12:35] <pmatulis> Creap: what about a serial connection?
[12:35] <pmatulis> Creap: i have seen a jaunty-karmic upgrade fail spectacularly.  do you have backups?
[12:35] <Creap> I don't have a monitor either ;D only laptop + server
[12:36] <Creap> yeah the kubuntu upgrade failed on my work computer
[12:36] <Creap> I guess I'll just not upgrade
[12:37] <pmatulis> Creap: if there is no compelling reason to, you shouldn't upgrade a server, more so if it an important server, and even more so if you have no backups
[12:38] <Creap> it's not an production server or anything like that
[12:38] <Creap> looking at the changelog now
[12:39] <Creap> I guess the only interesting part for me is ext4
[12:39] <Creap> which I don't really need 9.10 for anyway so..
[13:06] <incorrect> off topic, but can anyone suggest a good US ubuntu 9.10 vm provider?
[13:07] <Pici> incorrect: Look into linode.
[13:23] <incorrect> thanks Pici
[14:49] <cesco> Hi. Anybody with experience on DAT tapes?
[14:49] <ghankstef> what is the best way to stay on top of security updates?  I heard there was an openssl flaw just discovered - but dont know if ubuntu server has a patch yet
[14:50] <gioele> hello, is there an (official) PPA with VDE-enabled KVM packages?
[14:51] <soren> gioele: I doubt it.
[14:51] <gioele> soren: :(
[14:52] <soren> gioele: Most of the time, you don't actually need vde.
[14:52] <stgraber> gioele: if you install vde2, you can then use "vdekvm" which will make the vde network working inside kvm
[14:53] <gioele> stgraber: vdekvm is deprecated upstread (vde) not the debian|ubuntu packages are not working anymore
[14:53] <gioele> I mean they start but the networking fails to set up
[14:54] <gioele> stgraber: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534321
[14:54] <stgraber> really ? I did all the iso testing for LTSP with two VMs using vde2 for virtual switching
[14:54] <stgraber> (in Karmic)
[14:54] <soren> stgraber: Why did you need VDE for that?
[14:54] <gioele> stgraber: using the kvm in karmic?
[14:54] <stgraber> yep
[14:54] <soren> A bridge already acts as a virtual switch.
[14:55] <gioele> soren: a bridge requires quite a bit of configuration
[14:55] <stgraber> soren: sure but when you PXE boot, the delay between the time the interface joins the switch and the time it actually works is too long
[14:55] <stgraber> soren: and so it fails 50% of the time
[14:55] <stgraber> also, you need to be root to add a bridge
[14:56] <gioele> stgraber: did you use vde_switch with --tap?
[14:59] <soren> stgraber: You can adjust that delay..
[14:59] <soren> gioele: You're kidding, right?
[14:59] <soren> gioele: You think it's easier to setup vde than a bridge?
[15:00] <gioele> soren: I'd say so: http://www.debianadmin.com/create-a-lan-for-virtual-servers-with-kvm-and-vde.html
[15:01] <soren> With libvirt, the bridge is even already there.
[15:01] <soren> The default for new VM's is to hook into the bridge. It can't possibly be any easier.
[15:03] <gioele> soren: libvirt != a bridge. I was referring to a manual configuration
[15:04] <gioele> stgraber: I just tested again: the two instances refuse to connect each other, each vdekvm says http://pastie.org/686485
[15:05] <stgraber> gioele: i tried with vde_switch -sock /tmp/vde IIRC
[15:09] <soren> gioele: Err.. No, I know that libvirt is not a bridge. It's a library (and a daemon). It sets up a bridge, though.
[15:15] <stgraber> hmm, can't seem to make it to work again ... I used it last week (first time I used it) and it worked, not sure what changed in between
[15:19] <smoser> kirkland, chat sometime today ?
[15:25] <kirkland> smoser: sure, irc, or phone?
[15:25] <soren> kirkland: Do you know if any laptop battery for any T-series will fit the one I bought from you?
[15:25] <smoser> i was thinking phone
[15:25] <kirkland> soren: any t6* series, yes
[15:26] <soren> kirkland: Cool. Thanks.
[15:26] <kirkland> soren: ie, not a t41p's battery
[15:26] <kirkland> soren: want the docking station for $20?
[15:28] <kirkland> smoser: give me 15 minutes
[15:29] <smoser> kirkland, i'll give you $20 for it.
[15:30] <smoser> in fact, please, i want to give you $20 for it.
[15:30] <soren> kirkland: Sure.
[15:30] <soren> kirkland: In fact, that would be awesome.
[15:31] <soren> kirkland: I'm bringing a suit case anyway, so I've got plenty of room for once.
[15:42] <kirkland> smoser: soren: heh, well, you're going to have to duke it out :-)
[15:42] <kirkland> or start a bidding war :-)
[15:42] <smoser> $20.02
[15:43] <soren> kirkland: Can't I pull rank or seniority or something? :)
[15:43] <kirkland> :-)
[15:43] <soren> Arm wrestle?
[15:43] <kirkland> soren: that works better in the military
[15:43] <soren> I'd probably lose that one, but it'd be fun.
[15:43] <kirkland> you should have a hack off
[15:43] <soren> realtimebattle
[15:43] <soren> !
[15:51]  * soren takes a quick break
[16:30] <gioele> I'd like to recompile kvm and repackage qemu-kvm. Are there instructions on how to do that? Do you use bzr-builddeb?
[16:31] <gioele> kirkland: I see you have a qemu-kvm-packaging branch in +junk, do you use that to package qemu-kvm?
[16:37] <bogeyd6> gioele im probably only one alive, and i only ever used vmware
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele: i don't use that yet
[16:42] <kirkland> gigasoft: apt-get source qemu-kvm
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele:  apt-get source qemu-kvm
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele: cd *
[16:42] <kirkland> gioele: debuild
[16:42] <kirkland> well, sudo apt-get build-dep qemu-kvm
[16:43] <gioele>  kirkland: ok, thank you. I hoped I could try this new bzr-builddeb toy ;)
[16:43] <kirkland> gioele: bzr branch lp:byobu
[16:43] <kirkland> gioele: cd byobu
[16:43] <kirkland> gioele: bzr bd
[16:44] <gioele> kirkland: great I'll try that soon (paid job first ;))
 why?
[16:47] <kirkland> gigasoft: tab completion fail
[16:47] <gigasoft> kirkland: what for?
[16:47] <kirkland> gigasoft: i was trying to tab complete gioele
[16:48] <gigasoft> why should i do that?
[16:48] <kirkland> gigasoft: i mistakenly called your name
[16:48] <gigasoft> ok
[17:12] <flagg0204> are their ubuntu debs available for eucalyptus 1.6.1?
[17:20] <kane_> flagg0204: yes, from eucalyptus.com: http://repo.eucalyptus.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eucalyptus/
[17:22] <flagg0204> kane_ ah cool thanks
[17:22] <kane_> flagg0204: instructions here: http://open.eucalyptus.com/wiki/EucalyptusInstallationUbuntuJaunty_v1.6
[17:22] <kane_> flagg0204: no problem
[17:23] <dmacnutt> anyone with ltsp experience?
[17:24] <dmacnutt> was able to install without issue, and can get the thin client to boot, but X fails to start, It stalls with the a busy mouse cursor
[17:25] <flagg0204> kane_ am i correct in assuming that these instructions will work with karmic as well?
[17:25] <flagg0204> kane_ or is that jaunty only
[17:25] <kane_> flagg0204: i'm afraid this was just my google skills at work :) it'd stand to reason they'd work though
[17:26] <flagg0204> kane_ ok.   well guess it worth a shot
[17:40] <lukehasnoname> Good morning, gents
[17:40] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone in this distinguished channel used FireHOL?
[17:44] <lukehasnoname> I don't need help with it; I want to know if anyone else thinks it's exponentially cooler than ufw (though props to ufw on their improvements in Karmic)
[17:44]  * ScottK just has his own iptables scripts.
[17:44]  * jdstrand uses ufw
[17:45] <ScottK> Right, you would. ;-)
[17:45] <jdstrand> :)
[17:46] <lukehasnoname> heh
[17:47] <lukehasnoname> Given the number of mature frontends to iptables, I assert that all but the most complex of configurations (possibly /especially/ the most complex) need not use iptables directly.
[17:48] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: My assertion is that I've had iptables scripts that work for me for years, so any switch away from using iptables directly would cause me more work, not less.
[17:49] <lukehasnoname> True. It is all about what you know.
[17:58] <doug_> I'm running ubuntu-9.10 server and just installed mysql-server.  However, there are no files in either /etc/mysql or /var/lib/mysql.  How do I get the configuration and initial database files added?
[18:11] <lukehasnoname> doug_: Have you attempted logging in?
[18:12] <flagg0204> lukehasnoname - agreed with iptables,  having to manage a 300-400 lines iptables script is a nightmare.  i'd also argue that if your rules are that comples, by a appliance based FW
[18:13] <doug_> lukehasnoname:  I can't log into the mysql server....it won't start because of the missing config (and other) files.
[18:13] <lukehasnoname> Possible. OR check out FireHOL. I have no personal gain in its gain in popularity, but seriously, it's pretty amazing. Not perfect, but it's very handy. the home page (google it) has a very nice example setup.
[18:14] <lukehasnoname> doug_: OK, I kind of expected that. Hmmm, that's weird. This isn't the most popular method of fixing it, but if it's this broken... I'd say uninstall/reinstall the package and see what happens. Make sure it's calling in the right dependencies as well; 'mysql-server' is a metapackage
[18:18] <doug_> lukehasnoname:  I've already done that several times....still doesn't install the files for /etc/mysql or /var/lib/mysql, and possibly others.
[18:27] <lukehasnoname> I don't know what to tell you doug_
[18:28] <lukehasnoname> is it installing all dependencies correctly?
[18:28] <lukehasnoname> No messed up write permissions on those folders?
[18:29] <doug_> luke:  I appreciate the help.  It's just wierd and frustrating that installing the packages leaves it in a state without the config files and unstartable.  :-)
[18:29] <jkakar> I'm just reviewing the UEC setup instructions and wondering, is it possible to setup an all-in-one cluster controller and node on the same machine?
[18:30] <jkakar> I just want to play with UEC, but I only have a single machine.
[18:34] <doug_> I gotta run for now.  Thanks for the help and I'll be back later.
[18:34] <lukehasnoname> doug_: later. jkakar: I don't know. I would think so, however, I would think it'd be beneficial to have at least two computers to play with for UEC
[18:35] <jkakar> lukehasnoname: Yeah, it probably would.
[18:35] <jkakar> I'm just wondering if things like network discovery of nodes will work if the node is on the same machine as the controller.
[19:02] <m8> Hi, I can install vnc4server witouth xorg?
[19:05] <_ruben> m8: so you want to vnc into text-only machine?
[19:05] <_ruben> ssh seems way more suited for that
[19:05] <m8> __ruben: yes
[19:06] <m8> but a want a virtual desktop for some apps...
[19:06] <m8> *i want
[19:06] <_ruben> err, what would a vnc session to a text-only machine offer more than a ssh terminal window?
[19:06] <m8> i want to run a Xfce virtual desktop accessibile whit vnc.... if there are alternatives... tell me!
[19:07] <m8> __ruben.... offer to run some apps.. i need
[19:07] <m8> :o
[19:07] <_ruben> so you want to run xfce on a machine without X, im not sure i understand what you're trying achieve
[19:07] <m8> xfce on virtual desktop
[19:08] <_ruben> define "virtual desktop"
[19:09] <m8> an istance of X
[19:09] <m8> in a headless pc
[19:09] <m8> :o
[19:10] <_ruben> X on a headless pc? .. that doesnt make sense at all .. tho perhaps this is what you want: machine A (a desktop) has X running, machine B (a server) is text only, you want to run graphical apps on B, but use the screen of A .. ?
[19:13] <m8> ....
[19:13] <m8> i want to run a Virtual Desktop(an instance of vnc4server)
[19:14] <kane_> m8: that's actually an x/y problem :) the solution to your real problem is running the vnc4server... what's the underlying problem? ie, what will you use the vnc4server for exactly?
[19:15] <_ruben> exactly what im trying to find out, but am failing so to do so
[19:15]  * _ruben moves on
[19:15] <m8> kane_ :)
[19:16] <m8> for run X apps on a headless pc :D
[19:17] <kane_> m8: so you dont want to attach a monitor to the device. That still means you need X to run the graphical environment though.
[19:17] <m8> ok
[19:17] <m8> and I need xorg, right?
[19:18] <kane_> m8: i think the vnc4server package already depends on the libraries you need.
[19:18] <m8> ok :)
[19:18] <m8> and i need to install a desktop manager
[19:19] <m8> like Xfce4
[19:19] <m8> it's right ?
[19:19] <kane_> m8: the ubuntu forums actually have a thread about this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690895
[19:19] <zul> ttx: what would the Vcs-Bzr: line in the debian/control be now that apache2 is apart of the distributed development thing
[19:19] <m8> wow
[19:19] <m8> :D
[19:20] <kane_> m8: yeah, you'll want a windowmanager -- you're basically setting up a 'normal' machine, except you're using your other pc as the screen
[19:20] <ttx> zul: what does it currently say ?
[19:20] <zul> there isnt one there is the svn one for debian
[19:20] <m8> ok :)
[19:21] <ttx> zul: I don't think you need to update it for DistributedDevelopment
[19:21] <zul> I was just going to add Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2
[19:21] <zul> meh I can always fix it later
[19:22] <ttx> zul: it superfluous since in the end they will all be
[19:22] <zul> true
[19:22] <ttx> zul: but that's not incorrect ;)
[19:22] <zul> ttx: thanks
[19:43] <jcastro> kirkland, can you ask anthony to subscribe to "community-lucid-launchpad-upstream-improvements" and mark himself as essential, thus forcing it to be scheduled on a day he'll be there?
[19:44] <jcastro> kirkland, I've got a solution to the patch thing I want to pitch to the lp team
[19:44] <jcastro> having real upstreams there nodding profusedly would be sweet
[19:44] <kirkland> jcastro: pasted your request to aliguori in #ubuntu-virt
[19:45] <jcastro> kirkland, if there's any blueprint he feels he needs to be at making himself as essential will force the system to schedule it on those days
[19:45] <kirkland> jcastro: cool
[20:07] <wwp> hello i have got troubles installing xen on x86_64 karmic (alternative / server kernel) - the problem is that i cannot boot using the xen kernel and grub (grub-pc) does not offer any options on boot
[20:08] <wwp> and i'm new to grub2 - missing the menu.lst -.-
[20:13] <jcastro> kirkland, let's hallway discuss your kvm testing thing at UDS
[20:13] <jcastro> I've wanted something like that for a long time
[20:14] <jcastro> except I envisioned it right in the GUI for virt-manager
[20:14] <jcastro> New->Ubuntu->Blah 7.10
[20:14] <jcastro> or whatever
[20:15] <wwp> no ideas so far?
[20:18] <pmatulis> anyone here use sbuild?
[20:19] <zzz20092> ? what the hell is going on with amavisd setup, the config is scattered over hells half acre!!
[20:41] <ScottK> zzz20092: Standard for the package we get from Debian.
[20:41] <ScottK> zzz20092: It's actually a lot saner than it first appears.
[20:42] <ScottK> Make your changes in (IIRC) 50-user and it over-rides anything in the earlier config files.  That way your changes never get over-ridden on upgrade.
[20:49] <android6011> during the install hwo can I completely format all the disks including existing grub to mbr installs. Also, how can I pick which disk to install grub to
[20:54] <zzz20092> ScottK: I tried putting my stuff in the 50-user, didn't do what i wanted it kept quarantining stuff rather than just discarding junk.
[21:00] <zzz20092> ScottK: I have a similar problem with the postfix setup, I have 4 log files (mail.err, mail.info, mail.log, mail.warn) all contain the same info, but I cannot find out where to turn the them off.
[21:00] <ScottK> zzz20092: Then it's an issue with what you are putting in the file, not which file you are putting them in.
[21:00] <ScottK> zzz20092: For postfix, .err and .warn have subsets of .log
[21:01] <ScottK> So they aren't the same.
[21:02] <zzz20092> ScottK: the subsets contain the same info as the log, why bother just takes up space and confuses the issue.
[21:03] <ScottK> Well if you are looking for just serious stuff, looking in .error or .warn is useful.
[21:03] <ScottK> .error should be empty all the time anyway
[21:04] <android6011> for data partitions what is a good filesystem.
[21:04] <android6011> they will be doing a lot of network transfers
[21:05] <android6011> and not losing data is very important even though I am doing backups
[21:06] <zzz20092> ScottK: As a retired engineer I strongly believe in the KISS principal, and what I am seeing does not follow it.
[21:07] <ScottK> zzz20092: Personally I think .info and .log is overkill, but I sometimes find a separate .warn/.error useful for troubleshooting.
[21:07] <ScottK> Normally I only look at/grep .log
[21:08] <ScottK> android6011: ext3 then.
[21:08] <zzz20092> ScottK: ditto
[21:08] <android6011> ScottK: why do you say ext3
[21:08] <ScottK> Because it's the most reliable/supported in the kernel today.
[21:09] <ScottK> ResierFS is essentially unmaintained and has been for years.  Ext4 still has open data loss bugs.
[21:09] <ScottK> Ext2 isn't journaled.
[21:09] <ScottK> Anything newer is just crack if you care about your data
[21:13] <android6011> so no xfs or jfs?
[21:14] <zzz20092> android6011: ext3 is probably the best for general use, but you haven't told use much about your data
[21:14] <android6011> zzz20092: like what
[21:14] <android6011> there are a lot of large video files etc I edit
[21:15] <ScottK> android6011: I don't know enough about them to have confidence.
[21:17] <zzz20092> androd6011: i'd stick to ext3, xfs/jfs might be an option if you were storing lots of small files as they have sub-block allocation.
[21:19] <android6011> zzz20092: I do have a lot of small files too. I do web design on the side so I have tons of web projects stored at any given time
[21:22] <zzz20092> android6011: how much Linux experience do you have?
[21:22] <android6011> zzz20092: quite a bit
[21:26] <zzz20092> android6011: then you could try setting up 1 partition with ext3 and another with xfs, mount the as video and web_dev and use appropriately, on the other hand you could just use ext3 for everything and save yourself some trouble.
[21:31] <android6011> ok
[21:32] <android6011> also, how can I spin down a hard drive after being idle for say 1 hour. And is smart enabled by default, if so where is the info logged? if not how do i enable it
[21:37] <genii> !info smartmontools
[21:38] <zzz20092> android6011: if memory serves smart is usually set in bios setup, you could also take a look smartmontools
[21:40] <jmedina> zzz20092: you can enable SMART using command line toos
[21:58] <zzz20092> jmedina: Ok, I just took a quick look at smartmontools and gsmat.... not particularly useful I<HO
[21:58] <zzz20092> I<HO -> IMHO
[22:08] <lamont> kirkland: thoughts on bug 445456? - heard a rumor you might have thoughts on it.
[22:38] <helfire__> i have a 8.04.3 LTS server, about every 2 weeks the load from apache goes through the roof and i have to do a forced restart. Any ideas why this happens?
[22:39] <smackdad1y> .
[22:39] <dfdfsd> l
[22:41] <jmedina> helfire__: hard to guess without evidence, you need to look at your apache logs en syslog for related messages
[22:41] <jmedina> probably a bad code application or a attack
[22:54] <helfire__> jmedina: the weird thing is i dont see anything out of line in the logs, and it seams to be every 2 weeks to the day
[22:54] <helfire__> but i'm going to browse through them again since it happened again today
[22:55] <helfire__> my load always hovers around .20 even though nothing is running (atleast not shown in top or htop)
[22:56] <kane_> helfire__: can you see wehre the load is coming from at least? cpu, disk, network?
[22:58] <helfire__> kane_: not really. maybe i'm not looking with the right tool
[22:58] <helfire__> in syslog i'm seeing alot of spam mail getting rejected from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>kind of odd
[22:59] <jmedina> :)
[23:00] <kane_> *from* the apache user?
[23:00] <helfire__> ya
[23:00] <jmedina> they are spmming trhgouth a web form or something?
[23:00] <kane_> .. is your apache sending mail to you?
[23:00] <helfire__> no, well i dont have it configured to
[23:00] <helfire__> atleast not a box that's real
[23:00] <helfire__> lots of postfix warnings: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied
[23:02] <kane_> seems worthwhile to chase that down
[23:02] <helfire__> hmmm, i may have my postfix configured badly...
[23:03] <kane_> btw, htop should be good enough to show you what processees are causing the load and why
[23:04] <helfire__> right before my forced reboot i have cron doing some mrtg stuff, and freshclam downloading new definitions
[23:05] <helfire__> i am just shutting down my mail server as i dont use em :)
[23:07] <helfire__> so i have cought about 100 apache2 proc's running before this happened, was too slow to get them with a kilall
[23:07] <kane_> that's a lot of processes -- is that by design?
[23:07] <helfire__> no
[23:08] <helfire__> not sure how that many got spawned
[23:11] <kane_> that's probably a good sign of resource exhaustion -- check the state of those... possibly they're zombies
[23:11] <helfire__> [Fri Nov 06 03:00:28 2009] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting
[23:12] <helfire__> that was near the lock up
[23:12] <helfire__> looks like a bot trying to attack and find something
[23:12] <helfire__> lots of weird requests and bad headers
[23:12] <kane_> firewall hoooooo!
[23:13] <helfire__> haha
[23:13] <helfire__> lots of ip's too
[23:13] <helfire__> :/
[23:14] <helfire__> might have to change sshd to run on a different port too... noticing alot there
[23:17] <helfire__> grep "an unknown filter was not added: PHP" apache2/error.log -c
[23:17] <helfire__> 48916
[23:17] <helfire__> hmm should take care of that :)
[23:17] <helfire__> this sever has "just worked" since 06, needs some TLC
[23:30] <zzz20092> ttt
[23:33] <smackdaddy> how can i assign individual hostnames to each of my network cards
[23:37] <lamont> smackdaddy: in what sense?
[23:37] <lamont> as in, within what app?
[23:38] <smackdaddy> well.. say a user connects via ssh to domain1.com it will show<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:38] <smackdaddy> on the console
[23:38] <smackdaddy> and different fr each ip...
[23:44] <helfire__> can i start up a backup sshd server incase changing ports on my default one messes up


[05:40] <bigjools> any takers https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/localboot-amt/+merge/238232
[06:51] <gmb> rvba, bigjools, jtv, allenap: Any idea where I can get a copy of MAAS 1.6.1? Trying to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1379924, and upgrading to 1.6.1 is part of the process.
[06:54] <rvba> gmb: the easiest is probably to build the package your self from lp:maas/1.6
[06:54] <rvba> yourself*
[06:55] <gmb> rvba: I’m just waking up, clearly, because you said that and I groaned out loud.
[06:55] <gmb> But you’re right
[06:56] <rvba> bigjools: reviewing (and testing) https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/localboot-amt/+merge/238232.  Looks nice!
[06:57] <roaksoax> gmb: try sudo apt-get install maas=1.6.1 or something along those lines if you are using the testing PPA
[06:58] <gmb> roaksoax: Aah, thank you!
[06:58] <rvba> \o roaksoax
[06:58] <roaksoax> rvba: o/
[06:59] <roaksoax> rvba: ok, so I have the packaging done, the only thing is not done yet is dhcpdv6d
[06:59] <roaksoax> to dhcpd6
[07:00] <roaksoax> rvba: so that's what we want to do?
[07:00] <rvba> roaksoax: you mean change the name to dhcpd6?
[07:01] <roaksoax> rvba: yup
[07:01] <rvba> Seems good to me, that seems to be what's used by the daemon itself.
[07:01] <rvba> dhcpd6.conf dhcpd6.leases
[07:02] <jtv> Yeah, with the naming I tried to fit in with what was already out there — even if it didn't always seem quite rightl
[07:02] <jtv> .
[07:03] <roaksoax> ok I'll get that changed
[07:36] <jtv> Were we adding a dhcp probe on all network interfaces to the commissioning stage?
[07:37] <jtv> If we report all knowable network connections at that point, that could be another nail in the coffin of the leases parser.
[07:40] <rvba> jtv: right now the dhcp probe relies on the leases parser to gather that information (i.e. the information from the discovered interface is not sent to MAAS: the leases parser will connect the dots)
[07:40] <rvba> interfaces*
[07:45] <jtv> rvba: right — but as soon as we turn it into a commissioning output...
[07:45] <jtv> We already have all the major pieces in place for that.
[07:46] <rvba> jtv: yeah, we could do that indeed.
[07:46] <jtv> Not a lot of time for it now, I understand.  But one likes to dream of the demise of that parser...
[07:46] <jtv> Or rather, those two parsers <shudder>
[07:46] <rvba> heh
[07:46] <rvba> This is definitely something to keep in mind for next cycle, I'm with you on this.
[07:47] <jtv> Because it's the one place where we really rely on the parser(s).
[07:47] <jtv> And I think with last week's IPv6 changes, we're very close indeed to fully static IPv4 configuration.
[07:48]  * jtv takes break from typng
[08:30] <bigjools> gmb: release PPA
[08:31] <gmb> bigjools: Built it myself in the end, but thanks :)
[08:35] <bigjools> jtv: coming to the daily call?
[08:35] <jtv> Oh!  Yes.
[08:41] <roaksoax> 3/win 4
[10:48] <rvba> jtv: why do we have the 'disable ipv4' on the cluster and not on the cluster interface?
[10:49] <jtv> rvba: think it through.  :)
[10:50] <jtv> For starters, it only applies in cases where you have multiple cluster interfaces.
[10:51] <jtv> So we'd have to have it on the IPv4 one but not the IPv6 one, or something — but you can change IPv4/IPv6 on the fly.
[10:53] <rvba> jtv: I see
[10:53] <jtv> There's more:
[10:53] <rvba> jtv: about the other branch: Looks generally good but I wonder why you decided to override the field with a forms.HiddenInput() widget instead of removing the field altogether?
[10:53] <jtv> To keep it working in the API.
[10:55] <rvba> jtv: okay… that might be worth a comment in the code then.
[10:57] <jtv> OK
[10:57] <jtv> (BTW it's also explained in the MP)
[10:58] <rvba> Yeah, I missed it somehow.
[11:32] <gmb> rvba, allenap: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/acquire-and-start-node-bug-1381007/+merge/238279 needs a review please, gentlemen.
[11:32]  * gmb -> lunch
[15:05] <allenap> rvba: May I land https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/cluster-name-override--bug-1380805/+merge/238307?
[15:09] <rvba> allenap: this is a follow-up for Julian's branch right?
[15:10] <rvba> allenap: looking at Julian's branch now…
[15:18] <allenap> rvba: It's a replacement for Julian's branch.
[15:18] <rvba> allenap: right, that's what I figured out reading his MP.
[15:19] <allenap> rvba: I only meant to ask if I could land it now, seeing as you and kiko are the Guardians Of Trunk right now.
[15:19] <rvba> allenap: you have my blessing my child
[15:24] <allenap> rvba: Thank you!
[17:20] <allenap> roaksoax: A review for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/respawn-cluster-until-it-works/+merge/238331. I've tested it.


[22:58] <Dragnslcr> mackk431- unless you're doing something illegal, tor isn't worth using
[22:58] <mackk431> so it is not hiding the identity @dragnslcr?
[22:58] <Filthpig> linux-girl: great :)
[22:58] <linux-girl> :)
[22:59] <mackk431> hm
[22:59] <mackk431> see i am german and here government is going to be paranoid
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> mackk431- it just routes your connection through half a dozen other computers around the world
[22:59] <Imbert50000001> <- german 2
[22:59] <linux-girl> that makes me a little happier with this
[22:59] <Dragnslcr> Unless there's something going on in Germany that I haven't heard about, you don't need tor
[23:00] <mackk431> they made a new law that every person can be observed for 6 month
[23:00] <Imbert50000001> ich meine nur: wemm einer wirklich hinter deiner ip her ist, dann hat er sie entweder schon oder kriegt sie trotz tor, denn das ist kein 100% schutz
[23:00] <Imbert50000001> tor funzt nicht immer
[23:00] <Filthpig> please keep it english
[23:00] <Imbert50000001> sry
[23:00] <linux-girl> just little things like that make me change distros a lot and i guess if i would just do a little investigating i could fix the problems.
[23:00] <mackk431> isps are forced to store the internet connection for 6 month here
[23:00] <Imbert50000001> they kinda changed it though recently
[23:01] <Dragnslcr> linux-girl- you don't like Kopete?
[23:01] <mackk431> the internet connection informations i mean
[23:01] <linux-girl> not at all
[23:01] <Filthpig> linux-girl: getting to know the programs and distros before switching is generally a good isea ;)
[23:01]  * Filthpig seconds linux-girl on that - never liked kopete
[23:02] <linux-girl> i'm addicted to trying new distros i guess.
[23:02] <Dragnslcr> Why not? I stopped using Pidgin when they decided to force the magical resizing window on everyone
[23:02] <mackk431> as far as i understood is that tor hides your route
[23:02] <Filthpig> I don't like pidgin that much either ;)
[23:02] <Imbert50000001> sadly kopete doesnt support skype
[23:03] <Filthpig> the Skype crew should open their VoIP protocol
[23:03] <mackk431> if your route is hidden the isp cant store the data
[23:03] <linux-girl> i don't have any complaints about pidgin
[23:03] <Imbert50000001> they really should - but they won't
[23:03] <ghostcube> is there anythin gnew about the anjuta dist-upgrade bug
[23:03] <linux-girl> i don't use skype.  i don't have a mic so no reason to use it.
[23:03] <Filthpig> keep the clients closed if they like, but opening the protocols would be beneficial to everyone imho
[23:03] <Imbert50000001> i mostly chat on skype 2
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I've never used Skype anyway. I don't like talking on the phone to begin with
[23:03] <mackk431> they only will store the tor server you access to is that right?
[23:04] <mackk431> route
[23:04] <Kaesestange> same opinion here. anyone will profite when skype prot would be open
[23:04] <Imbert50000001> @mack431 with tor? or generally
[23:04] <Filthpig> linux-girl: video conferencing is quite nice, espescially since it's free ;)
[23:04] <mackk431> with tor
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> If I needed a voice connection, I'd rather use an open system like Jabber
[23:05] <Imbert50000001> its not like they dont get any address with tor
[23:05] <linux-girl> back when i used windows and i had a cam and mic it was cool, but i don't have any of those anymore
[23:05] <Imbert50000001> if u r unlucky they r able to track you down
[23:05] <linux-girl> and really  i have no use
[23:05] <mackk431> hm
[23:05] <Filthpig> Dragnslcr: yeah, but jabber just isn't as good as skype - skype is really good and cross platform, too
[23:05] <mackk431> i need more information about tor how it works
[23:05] <Imbert50000001> tor is a nice idea but no 100% defense
[23:05] <Imbert50000001> just google tor
[23:06] <Imbert50000001> c't article about tor is nice 2
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> mackk431- your paranoia isn't really on topic for this channel
[23:06] <mackk431> google data monster?
[23:06] <mackk431> no way
[23:06] <Imbert50000001> scroogle ;-)
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> Filthpig- I'll take your word for it, since I've never used either one
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> I think the last time I did voice was on Yahoo a few years ago
[23:07] <Imbert50000001> btw: btt anyone using amarok 2.1 svn on kubuntu?
[23:07] <linux-girl> right now Imbert50000001
[23:07] <linux-girl> no i'm not
[23:07] <linux-girl> i was earlier
[23:07] <Imbert50000001> lol
[23:07] <linux-girl> i am using audacious now
[23:07] <Imbert50000001> ive been using it on arch
[23:07] <linux-girl> it's skipping too
[23:07] <linux-girl> :(
[23:07] <Imbert50000001> looks better
[23:08] <Imbert50000001> but i dont think its more stable is it?
[23:08] <linux-girl> i'm about to switch back to amarok
[23:08] <p-f> Hi, my sound device just disappeard. Where should I begin investigating?
[23:08] <linux-girl> it doesn't skip
[23:08] <p-f> +e
[23:08] <Imbert50000001> @ p -f happened to be 2 today
[23:08] <Imbert50000001> i had to restart
[23:08] <p-f> good old "let's just reboot and see if the problem goes away", eh
[23:08] <p-f> I've seen that somewhere before
[23:09] <Imbert50000001> u name it
[23:09] <Filthpig> amarok is sweetness, however I haven't used it for ages since I've been on gnome the last few years. Amarok is one of KDE's strongest cards imo
[23:09] <Imbert50000001> agree @filthpig
[23:09] <Imbert50000001> made me switch to kde together with some other apps
[23:09] <p-f> I agree, it's one of the only software I do not completely despise using
[23:10] <Imbert50000001> esp if u have lots of music
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> Firefox is the only GTK program I use regularly
[23:10] <Imbert50000001> me 2
[23:10] <Lord_Drachenblut> I agree Filthpig and hoping that 2.0 will get up to speed soon
[23:10] <mackk431> Google scares me
[23:10] <Filthpig> p-f: why do you use computers if you despise using most software? ;)
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> Dunno if the Firefox-qt project will ever be finished
[23:10] <Imbert50000001> gimp and ooo installed
[23:10] <p-f> Filthpig: they're a necessity
[23:10] <robertss> kpackage manager seems a bit unstable.
[23:10] <p-f> Filthpig: I'm not going to go around classifying eeg data by hand :p
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I use OOo once in a while, but I don't do much of it at home anyway
[23:11] <Imbert50000001> kpackage is s*** compared to synaptic
[23:11] <Lord_Drachenblut> Dragnslcr: has there been any updates to firefox-qt in awhile?
[23:11] <mackk431> its like a huge monster hiding somewhere within the net i trys to collect all data it can get like a huge interstellar black hole it sucks in everything
[23:11] <Imbert50000001> konsole^^
[23:11] <mackk431> dont let google get you
[23:12] <Imbert50000001> anyone keen on using yakuake?
[23:12] <Imbert50000001> 1 of the best apps imho
[23:12] <linux-girl> i installed synaptic
[23:12] <Filthpig> never tried it, wha is it?
[23:12] <Lord_Drachenblut> Imbert50000001: I use it all the time
[23:12] <linux-girl> because kpackage sucked
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> Lord_Drachenblut- not that I've seen
[23:12] <Imbert50000001> you oughta try it out
[23:13] <Imbert50000001> pop down terminal like the one in quake
[23:13] <Lord_Drachenblut> Filthpig: it's a quake style drop down terminal window that supports tabs
[23:13] <Dragnslcr> KPackageKit works fine for me, no stability problems. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the KDE4 version of Adept
[23:13] <Imbert50000001> transperent backgrouns, profiles ...
[23:13] <Filthpig> well my biggest KDE 4 complaint right now is breakage 2k with the open source radeon driver on my r200 chipset :(
[23:13] <p-f> or you could just use aptitude in a console
[23:13] <Imbert50000001> im lucky i got a geforce
[23:14] <luis_> hi guys
[23:14] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, not much love for video drivers lately
[23:14] <Imbert50000001> i read about all those ati and intel issues
[23:14] <Lord_Drachenblut> i just stick with apt-get or aptitude to install software
[23:14] <luis_> good afternoon everyone
[23:14] <Dragnslcr> I've heard a lot of people have problems with Intel's latest drivers
[23:14] <Lord_Drachenblut> yo luis_
[23:14] <doc___> luis_: hi
[23:14] <luis_> :)
[23:14] <Dragnslcr> Hopefully Intel can get them worked out. They've been the shining example of open source drivers
[23:15] <Filthpig> Dragnslcr: haha, yeah everyone using intel is crying out in pain these days - Weird how Intel makes these MAJOR changes to their official drivers
[23:15] <Filthpig> almost everything intel is broken these days
[23:16] <Filthpig> however, as soon as Gallium3D and the new Mesa is out in the wild things will improve again - But right now Intel are losing users by the minute
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> I'm hoping that my next computer will be an Intel board with onboard video
[23:17] <Kaesestange> so what can google do like no other company else when its about searching the web? i mean ok they ve developed some formula and started their crawlbots to spin the globe and stuff.. since a very long while even.. isnt that the same goal others trying to reach?
[23:17] <p-f> Filthpig: I don't think they're losing users at all - most people are just stuck with what they have
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> I have a GF 7900 right now, and it's more than good enough. I don't play PC games much any more
[23:17] <und3rgr0undz3r0> So im new to KDE, i got KDE3 going on my laptop running Jaunty, but how do i get knetworkmanager to startup on default?
[23:17] <p-f> future users, maybe
[23:18] <Imbert50000001> google is: maps, commercials in the web( which is the strongest group overall), os, smartphones ... and so on
[23:18] <Dragnslcr> It'll be weird, because I've only had AMD processors for years now
[23:18] <Filthpig> p-f: I've seen several people in forums slapping in their old nvidia cards and swearing never to use intel graphics again
[23:18] <Imbert50000001> not mentiong the ip saving search
[23:18] <p-f> Filthpig: good luck doing that on a dell laptop
[23:19] <Filthpig> p-f: hehe, true ;) But they still run the risk of losing people over to windows again
[23:19] <Lord_Drachenblut> Dragnslcr: I have seen people praising nvidia all over the place because of nvdu
[23:19] <p-f> Filthpig: I don't think they care what OS the people stuck with their cards use :)
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> Lord_Drachenblut- never heard of that
[23:20] <p-f> is nvdu awesome enough to fix my soundcard and hibernation issues? :p
[23:21] <Lord_Drachenblut> Dragnslcr: it's a driver that lets you off load video decoding to a nvidia gpu
[23:21] <Filthpig> these are fragile times for the expanding user base of Linux distros - a couple of broken drivers might stop the growth - and Intel is very open source friendly and I don't think they'll like losing linux users' trust
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> Nice
[23:21] <PhrkOnLsh> hey guys, I'm back. I fixed the dist upgrade and everything is running graet, except for Akonadi which I cannot get to start because the test says:
[23:21] <Lord_Drachenblut> they have shown playing back 1080p video on a intel atom processor threw a nvidia gpu
[23:22] <luis_> ok i am still trying to make my epson stylus cx5600 scan feature works, i did make a fresh installation of kubntu again to start over from 0 and i am following this how to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5085446&postcount=38
[23:22] <Lord_Drachenblut> p-f: i got suspend working on my laptop as soon as i ditched my proprietary driver for my video card
[23:22] <ryback> hi all
[23:22] <PhrkOnLsh> Default storage engine (InnoDB) is not available
[23:23] <Lord_Drachenblut> PhrkOnLsh: sounds like mysql isn't installed
[23:23] <p-f> Lord_Drachenblut: maybe I should try that then, assuming there's a nonproprietary driver for mine
[23:23] <PhrkOnLsh> Lord_Drachenblut: it is.
[23:23] <PhrkOnLsh> Lord_Drachenblut: I've got my amarok working perfectly with mysql backend, as proof :)
[23:23] <luis_> but when i get to the make i got troubles an some body help me pls? this is what i got: http://pastebin.com/m4f26bdb6
[23:24] <Lord_Drachenblut> PhrkOnLsh: I had the same issue with akonadi and I did a aptitude reinstall of akonadi to fix it
[23:24] <Filthpig> gnite, all
[23:24] <luis_> so any is there any one available to help me and find whats wrong pls?
[23:25] <Lord_Drachenblut> luis_: I'm pulling it up to see if I can
[23:25] <luis_> ok txs Lord:)
[23:26] <luis_> Lord: should i pastebin the previous path i made?
[23:27] <Lord_Drachenblut> luis_: let me look at this one and go from there first
[23:27] <luis_> ok
[23:29] <Lord_Drachenblut> luis_: do you have libltdl3-dev installed
[23:29] <luis_> i dont think so
[23:29] <luis_> i am just following the steps on he how to
[23:29] <luis_> and it dosent mention taht
[23:30] <luis_> but ill do that right away
[23:30] <luis_> just a sec
[23:30] <Lord_Drachenblut> zite
[23:31] <luis_> Lord is done
[23:31] <luis_> do i try everything again?
[23:31] <Lord_Drachenblut> yep
[23:31] <luis_> ok
[23:31] <luis_> txs lets c
[23:37] <Alethes> What does the Kubuntu 9.04 DVD have on it that the live cd doesn't?  Just more packages to avoid having to download them?
[23:38] <inimesekene> hello, using jaunty and both VLC and mplayer say the audio device is in use when i try to play a video
[23:38] <luis_> Lord again errors this is what i got: http://pastebin.com/m3e630ce6
[23:38] <inimesekene> i already tried stopping amarok
[23:39] <inimesekene> it works when i close amarok but doesn't when i stop it
[23:40] <PhrkOnLsh> Lord_Drachenblut: any other ideas what could be causing that?
[23:40] <PhrkOnLsh> Lord_Drachenblut: what is the location of the cnf file that mysqld-akonadi uses?
[23:40] <Lord_Drachenblut> no idea right off the top PhrkOnLsh
[23:40] <PhrkOnLsh> okay
[23:40] <Lord_Drachenblut> luis_: looking now mind if we move it over to pm?
[23:41] <Lord_Drachenblut> sorry i can't help out more at the moment PhrkOnLsh
[23:41] <PhrkOnLsh> no worries, man
[23:42] <luis_> ok
[23:43] <Rue-kun> Anyone know how to fix the flash problem?
[23:47] <Rue-kun> Hello anyone?
[23:47] <Alethes> sorry to repeat my question, but, what does the Kubuntu 9.04 DVD have on it that the live cd doesn't?  Just more packages to avoid having to download them?
[23:48] <Lord_Drachenblut> Alethes: I think so
[23:48] <Lord_Drachenblut> Rue-kun: what flash problem?
[23:48] <Rue-kun> THe no sound problem
[23:49] <Lord_Drachenblut> Rue-kun: I have run into that a time or two.. Let me guess you get no sound from flash vidz in firefox right?
[23:49] <Rue-kun> Yes sir
[23:50] <Lord_Drachenblut> Rue-kun: try closing amarok and any other app that plays sound
[23:51] <Rue-kun> Nothing else is open but this IRC and Firefox
[23:51] <Lord_Drachenblut> Rue-kun: then restart firefox and it should work.... that is the only fix I know
[23:51] <Rue-kun> Wait I forgot Wine is open I will close that and try it
[23:53] <Rue-kun> I love my AMOR


[19:06] <johanbr> bryce: About the Radeon lockup I asked you about a few days ago, there's a bug filed now (bug #234811). Hardy locks up completely when running 1440x900. Gutsy works fine.
[19:17] <bryce> johanbr: ok thanks, looking
[19:23] <tseliot> tjaalton: the drivers are ready however I would like to know which versioning scheme we should adopt. For example shall we put something like this in the changelog? nvidia-graphics-drivers-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>0-500.30) intrepid; urgency=low
[19:25] <tseliot> I have adopted Debian's name schemes
[19:33] <tjaalton> tseliot: no need for the kernel version being there..
[19:34] <tjaalton> better use the nvidia versions like debian
[19:38] <johanbr> bryce: Is it really possible to do anything (apart from maybe SysReq traces) when the machine locks up completely?
[19:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: one of the packages will be named nvidia-glx and should replace nvidia-glx-new. We have to make sure that we don't break dist-upgrades from Hardy to Intrepid therefore
[19:44] <tseliot> we should be careful about the version and about the control file
[19:45] <tseliot> maybe adding something like this to nvidia-glx would solve part of the problem:
[19:45] <tjaalton> tseliot: of course, but the version number is irrelevant if it Replaces another package
[19:45] <tseliot> Conflicts: nvidia-glx-src, nvidia-xconfig, nvidia-glx
[19:45] <tseliot> Replaces: nvidia-glx-src, nvidia-glx (<< 170.12+<IP_ADDRESS>0-500.24)
[19:45] <tseliot> Provides: nvidia-glx, xserver-xorg-video-2
[19:45] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, of course
[19:47] <tseliot> tjaalton: this wouldn't automatically replace nvidia-glx-new with nvidia-glx in case of upgrade though
[19:48] <tjaalton> missing -new
[19:49] <tjaalton> oh
[19:49] <tjaalton> I thought it would make sense to rename current nvidia-glx as -legacy-96xx like in debian
[19:50] <tseliot> and I did it. I'm talking about nvidia-glx-new
[19:50] <tseliot> all the three flavours provide nvidia-glx
[19:50] <tseliot> maybe this is confusing you?
[19:50] <tjaalton> why?-)
[19:51] <tjaalton> why do they provide nvidia-glx
[19:51] <tseliot> so that they conflict with each other
[19:51] <tjaalton> and it should replace nvidia-glx-new, not nvidia-glx
[19:51] <tseliot> nvidia-glx-new becomes nvidia-glx
[19:51] <tseliot> nvidia-glx becomes nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
[19:52] <tjaalton> right
[19:52] <tseliot> nvidia-glx-legacy becomes nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx
[19:52] <tjaalton> but the lines from control are wrong
[19:53] <tseliot> those lines, which I haven't changed yet, belong to what used to be the nvidia-glx-new-envy package
[19:53] <tseliot> any suggestions for the new control file?
[19:54] <tjaalton> make it ready first and I'll review it then
[20:47] <bryce> johanbr: yeah ssh in from another box and attach to the process
[20:47] <bryce> johanbr: see wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing for directions
[20:50] <johanbr> bryce: The network dies too.
[20:51] <bryce> hmm, then the issue  may be in the kernel
[20:52] <johanbr> An all-Gutsy installation works, but Hardy with the Gutsy kernel hangs, so it doesn't appear to be in the kernel.
[20:53] <bryce> in any case, without a backtrace there is not more troubleshooting that can be done on it
[20:54] <bryce> make sure you're using a wired connection
[20:55] <johanbr> Is there a way of installing the Gutsy version of the radeon driver on Hardy, or has the X server changed too much?
[20:57] <bryce> well, you could apt-get the source and rebuild it against your xserver.  It ought to work ok I should think.
[20:57] <johanbr> Alright, I'll walk him through that and we'll see what happens. Thanks for the help.
[20:57] <bryce> sure, good luck
[21:11] <bryce> mesa 7.1 rc1 was announced :-)
[21:18] <tjaalton> yep, finally :)
[21:24] <bryce> tjaalton: have you ever tried device Option "DRI2" ?
[21:28] <tjaalton> bryce: no.. haven't built snapshots in a while
[22:04] <tjaalton> seems that DRI2 is not happening until the TTM/GEM mess is settled
[22:04] <bryce> :-/
[22:04] <bryce> I was afraid of that
[22:24] <kushal1> jedimind, looking back, I don't know what I was thinking trying to add everything by hand. I cannot even believe I added over 60 of those by hand. I wish I could drag and drop using default settings
[22:37] <kushal1> Hello, I am making a home DVD with about 200 short clips using Devede. I have already added about 60 files one at a time but my hand is starting to hurt. It is also really boring. Is there a way for me to add a bunch of mpg files on to the devede list like a batch or drag and drop? please let me know. thanks  (please answer)
[22:38] <bryce> kushal1: I think you may be asking on the wrong channel
[22:38] <bryce> kushal1: this channel is only for discussing X11
[22:44] <kushal1> sorry, bryce