[14:54] <mnemoc> !touchpad
[14:54] <Cameron> is nautilus meant to show user created bookmarks in the file dialog .. its really annoying that it doesn't
[14:55] <Rubin> spree, its also possible you dont have the security updates repository defined, and really are running the old version. do a dpkg -l php5 and see what version it is, check on ubuntu's security site about it to see if its got the fix
[14:56] <Rubin> spree, for example, http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-628-1
[14:57] <louise> Hello, this is driving me nuts
[14:58] <louise> I installed the driver to my webcam and lost wifi
[14:58] <czajkowski> ohh that;s a pain
[14:58] <louise> I have one of those atheros chipsets
[14:59] <louise> I can't seem to recover wifi. I tried every google guide out there
[14:59] <Rubin> installed the driver to your webcam how exactly?
[14:59] <louise> Rubin, it was a deb file which installs a DKMS module for microdia webcams
[14:59] <Rubin> obtained from where?
[15:00] <louise> Rubin,  just a sec
[15:00] <Rubin> rule #1 of debian/ubuntu is do not install .deb's from 3rd parties unless you like things to break ;)
[15:00] <Rubin> if they were stable they would be in the normal repository ;)
[15:00] <louise> Rubin, I like things to work, but my webcam was not.
[15:01] <Rubin> i understand
[15:01] <Rubin> webcams have always been a week spot in linux
[15:01] <Rubin> you tried uninstalling the deb?
[15:02] <mnemoc> can anyone share his synaptics config snap from xorg.org with me?
[15:03] <louise> Rubin, here it is
[15:03] <louise> Rubin, http://ppa.launchpad.net/intuitivenipple/ubuntu/pool/main/m/microdia-dkms/
[15:03] <louise> Rubin, I didn't. Should I?
[15:04] <Rubin> well theres a couple things i'd try
[15:04] <Alpo\> i have no mouse cursor
[15:04] <Rubin> one is, it would be good to know if removing it undoes whatever it did
[15:04] <Alpo\> the mouse works, but the cursor isn't visible
[15:05] <louise> Rubin, ok. I will try that]
[15:05] <Rubin> louise, the other is, you can do dpkg -L microdia-dkms (or whatever its called) and see a list of files it installed which might help you figure out what its doing. theres 2 possibilities; either its well behaved, but some hardware/driver conflict is breaking things, or that .deb broke the configuration
[15:05] <[tla]> anyone know how long it usually takes vmware to release a vmware-tools kit for a new ubuntu release?
[15:08] <louise> Rubin, ok, the dpkg thing didn't reveal anything to my knowledge. I will try uninstalling it
[15:08] <Alpo\> can anyone help me with invisible mouse cursor?
[15:09] <louise> we need dkms for that atheros driver
[15:09] <louise> brb
[15:19] <lhoersten> I'm having issues with x not getting x events from my mouse after a certain amount of activity. what package should I report this to?
[15:22] <fx5> I tried to find why the game "defendguin" doesn't work. I found out that it works when i recompile the package, with no source-code changes. The bug-reports are duplicates of a non-public bug. I wonder how many packages are affected by this bug, and why it is non-public. Can anyone say something about this?
[15:23] <louise_> heck]
[15:23] <louise_> That didn't do it
[15:25] <fx5> The bug is #267265. I feel bad seing a non-public build-bug in an open-source-os, because it shows that the binary package is not the same as the build of the source-package
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> why won't static ip configurations stick?
[15:28] <Daisuke_Ido> every time i reboot i have to reconfigure my static ip in the new networkmanager
[15:28] <jtechidna> fx5: unprivated
[15:29] <mini-man> ok strange problem... I can only hear sound from the right side of my headphones/speakers
[15:29] <mini-man> it only started today
[15:29] <mini-man> yesterday it was working fine...
[15:29] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the balance is set properly is the only idea i've got
[15:30] <mini-man> that's the first thing I checked
[15:30] <mini-man> also, I've got everything set to OSS in sound prefs because that's the only thing that works when I hit test, ALSA just fails
[15:30] <mini-man> i hear static if I set anything to alsa.
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> unfortunately, if it's headphones, speakers, and everything else, it could be a hardware problem :(
[15:30] <mini-man> can't be, it worked till yesterday, I slept, woke up, and now it doesn't work o.0
[15:31] <mini-man> also in alsamixer I only see pulseaudio as the chipset...not ALC883 what it should be (used to be)
[15:34] <fx5> jtechidna: ok, thank you. The report does not include any information, does ist? Does it mean, the problem is unknown?
[15:35] <csheach> all: i installed intrepid yesterday, and my wireless didn't work. after installing windows wireless driver, no probs. however, 4 hours later, my touchpad didn't come back on after hibernate. any ideas?
[15:36] <ericrw> macbook keyboad support... really bad.  I can't imagine this is releasing this way?
[15:37] <ericrw> the arrow keys are mismapped, they just don't work.
[15:37] <frybye> Hi - just installed a new hp F4210 combi- printer/scanner device.. was correctly identified and installed as far as i can tell - but how do I acess the scanner??
[15:37] <frybye> the handbook deals only with windows and macintosch...
[15:38] <christopher> I hate this
[15:38] <binspace> My keyboard repeat rate is inconsistent, anybody else have that issue?
[15:38] <DanaG> my keyboard is also weird:
[15:39] <DanaG> Right and Up arrows repeat.... but Left and Down do not.
[15:39] <binspace> Its driving me nutz
[15:39] <binspace> yes
[15:39] <binspace> thats my issue
[15:39] <binspace> Actually, up and right are faster than left and down
[15:39] <DanaG> For me, they just don't repeat at all.
[15:39] <ericrw> the whole HID-input thing seems to be royally screwed
[15:39] <NET||abuse> grrr,, eeepc-acpi-scripts depends on acpi-support-base, but that package doesn't exist in the repo.. is this just missing or an obsolete dependancy by that package?
[15:39] <binspace> DanaG: Are you using the nvidia driver?
[15:40] <big_danmahony> Does anyone know if my Nvidia GEforce mx 440 will work with the final version of 8.10???
[15:40] <ericrw> it also broke my keyboard->mouse_button bindings
[15:40] <big_danmahony> Im running one of the fianl bet versions and it doesnt work
[15:40] <big_danmahony> *final beta
[15:40] <DanaG> I had to downgrade my X server back to the Hardy version to get the nvidia binaries to work.
[15:41] <DanaG> The nvidia 96 drivers have been broken for like 5 months.
[15:41] <big_danmahony> arg why didnt I think of that
[15:41] <big_danmahony> thanks
[15:41] <csheach> i installed intrepid yesterday, and my wireless didn't work. after installing windows wireless driver, no probs. however, 4 hours later, my touchpad didn't come back on after hibernate. any ideas?
[15:41] <DanaG> It's very risky and unsupported, though.
[15:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, nvidia has very firmly placed themselves on my "do not buy" list, for the various issues I've had over the past two years, both in Windows and Linux.
[15:42] <ksbalaji> will my present settings be undisturbed when upgrading to 8.10 please? - I have also installed some third party applications!
[15:42] <DanaG> (that's how long I've  had the other, nvidia-177 based) laptop.
[15:42] <big_danmahony> Has anyone got the final release for 8.10,the countdown led me to believe that it was available today?
[15:42] <big_danmahony> I was hoping that I would just upgrade to that and it would be fine
[15:43] <DanaG> The NV driver doesn't support resume from suspend.
[15:43] <binspace> yeah, hopefully by the next release, nv will support dual monitort
[15:43] <DanaG> At least, it doesn't work properly for me.
[15:43] <binspace> yeah, its slowly getting better
[15:44] <DanaG> It also can't play videos -- either it inverts two, but not all three, color channels... or it plays a few frames and then stops updating.
[15:44] <big_danmahony> I guess the countdown is for a different timezone
[15:44] <ksbalaji> hey someone with 8.10 here ? I need to know if upgrade to 8.10 will let my settings remain.
[15:44] <big_danmahony> yeah I'm pretty sure all your settings will bethe same
[15:45] <DanaG> It should, as long as you take care to look at the questions about modified configuration files.
[15:45] <ksbalaji> big_danmahony, I also hope. I have some third party applications which I would not like to loose.
[15:45] <big_danmahony> I've never lost anything
[15:45] <frybye> short version of my problem - how do I scann with intrepid-ibex (hp f2100 combi-printer-scanner-)
[15:46] <big_danmahony> Maybe wait until the final release is out just to be certain
[15:46] <ksbalaji> big_danmahony, have u upgraded? maybe beta?
[15:47] <big_danmahony> I've upgraded previous versions (7.10 to 8.04) and that was fine,it kept all my previous settings
[15:47] <Alpo\> what can be the cause for a invisible mouse cursor
[15:47] <jameswf> rc has been pretty solid for me, but I am an expert in most things linux so I have certain expectations of how things are that make some issues and annoyances  seem trivial.
[15:47] <big_danmahony> but never upgraded to beta
[15:48] <jameswf> big_danmahony: it is 24 hours just wait
[15:48] <csheach> jameswf: as an expert, can i ask for assistance in restoring my touchpad?
[15:48] <frybye> even shorter version of question: How does one scann with intrepid??
[15:48] <big_danmahony> I just started fresh because I wanted to get rid of some annoyances and bloat
[15:48] <ksbalaji> Now my Hardy is very -excellently- stable. Since I am informed that reverting back to Hardy is not possible unless one has backup, I am worried. I cannot have the entire thing backed up.
[15:49] <big_danmahony> what are you afraid of losing? programs?
[15:49] <jameswf> I had been through 2 dist upgrades so yeah I wiped my system too this time through.... dist upgrades are hell on a system
[15:49] <DanaG> Backups are one of those things people really should do, but often don't.
[15:49] <big_danmahony> external hard drives are the best way to go about backups.also setting your home directory as a different partition
[15:51] <ksbalaji> big_danmahony, something like thirdparty installations. I don't know how many I have installed. But they all work in Hardy and have nicely integrated.
[15:51] <jasmuz> No sound output on Ibex, everything was going fine all of a sudden no more, i have reinstalled pulseaudio and alsa, nothing... i can see there is an output, but none via my speakers.. wich are good, ive been playing WoW on Windows in this same machine
[15:52] <jasmuz> ?
[15:52] <frybye> looking for help with installing/using scann feature of a HP F4210 printer/scanner??? any offers???
[15:52] <jasmuz> Any ideas ?
[15:52] <ksbalaji> jameswf, dont you have third party installations? say, wine directly installed instead from repositories? - wine direct is very good.
[15:52] <big_danmahony> ksbalaji, I think you should be fine to upgrade
[15:53] <jasmuz> ??
[15:53] <big_danmahony> jasmus, Do some googling, I had a Hp scanner/Printer and had no luck but that was on 7.10
[15:53] <DanaG> frybye: try installing the package gnomescan -- that may do it.
[15:53] <DanaG> !info gnomescan
[15:54] <DanaG> !info flegita
[15:54] <maco> 64bit intrepid users?
[15:54] <jameswf> I have croxxover now :)
[15:54] <jameswf> *crossover
[15:54] <Rubin> dont we all :P
[15:55] <maco> have any 64bit users experienced an issue where it just keeps rebooting?  Two people have reported it, but there's not enough information
[15:55] <maco> Rubin: i don't
[15:55] <maco> what use is it? just about anything FOSS already runs on Linux
[15:55] <jasmuz> Guys mi issue is this: No sound output on Ibex, everything was going fine all of a sudden no more, i have reinstalled pulseaudio and alsa, nothing... i can see there is an output, but none via my speakers.. wich are good, ive been playing WoW on Windows in this same machine
[15:56] <maco> jasmuz: if you do "aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav" do you get sound?
[15:56] <Rubin> maco, theres a lot of cases where enterprise apps or utils for products require windows, and if you _need_ them, you either dont get to run linux, or you luck out and they work in cx/wine
[15:56] <ksbalaji> jasmuz, did you try alsa force-reload?
[15:56] <Rubin> also, openoffice present is unacceptably crap. so powerpoint is needed IMO
[15:56] <maco> ksbalaji: thats the same as rebooting, as far as alsa is concerned
[15:57] <big_danmahony> jasmus, I fixed a sound issue on a friends latop  using this: dont try it but search for something similar for your soundcard (ubuntu forums)
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Updated 6/6/08 for ALSA 1.0.17rc1
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Here are the scripts to build ALSA 1.0.17rc1 from source.
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Make sure you go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources and have the first 4 repositories enabled (also make sure the CD is disabled unless you have a slow internet and would prefer to use the older versions of the packages on the CD). When you close that dialog, Ubuntu will ask you to update your software sources. Make sure you don't have Update Manager or Synaptic Package Manager open and click yes/ok to update the pa
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Now save these files to your desktop, and:
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Code:
[15:57] <big_danmahony> cd ~/Desktop
[15:57] <big_danmahony> sudo chmod 777 alsa_1.sh
[15:57] <maco> Rubin: Impress does have an awful UI.  But hey!  LaTeX
[15:57] <big_danmahony> sudo chmod 777 alsa_2.sh
[15:57] <big_danmahony> sudo sh ./alsa_1.sh
[15:57] <big_danmahony> Then reboot, and when the system comes back, run:
[15:57] <maco> big_danmahony: SHUT IT
[15:57] <Rubin> maco, heh
[15:57] <Pici> !paste | big_danmahony
[15:57] <jasmuz> Solved itThanks!
[15:57] <maco> jasmuz: what solved what?
[15:57] <Pici> big_danmahony: Are you done?
[15:58] <jasmuz> My sound issue
[15:58] <Rubin> maco, we run a lot of linux boxes that are used by normal people. cx allows us to keep doing that, where otherwise they'd demand windows
[15:58] <big_danmahony> accident i swear,havent used IRC for years
[15:58] <maco> er, i want to know what fixed what
[15:58] <ksbalaji> maco, rebooting alsa may solve jasmuz 's problem if pa and alsa are not co-operating?!
[15:58] <DanaG> What's different between Crossover and Wine?
[15:58] <maco> ksbalaji: force reload is the same as rebooting the computer. it just unloads and reloads
[15:59] <maco> im wondering if he meant that or if he meant the aplay thing....because the aplay thing was to test if it was a PA or ALSA issue
[15:59] <wolfie2x> DanaG: crossover is commercial n wine is free
[15:59] <Rubin> DanaG, crossover is based on wine, but with closed-source updates/and stuff to work better. I think thye trickle their changes into wine over time. Also cx has 'bottles' which are like little independant windows instances, so you can seperate and deploy aps
[15:59] <wolfie2x> DanaG: same code base though
[15:59] <maco> how does corssover abbreviate to cx?
[15:59] <Rubin> no idea. but cxoffice is the package name
[16:00] <maco> interesting
[16:00] <wolfie2x> I'm currently running MS office in VitrualBox
[16:00] <Rubin> if wine works for you, dont need crossover. but it tries to make some advanced uses of wine 'just work' so its nice for some apps
[16:00]  * Rubin <3 virtualbox seamless mode
[16:00] <wolfie2x> since I'm not sure if office 2003 will work on wine
[16:01] <Rubin> also love that you can do USB passthru on it, but not with the GPL one :/
[16:01] <wolfie2x> anybody using it?
[16:01] <DanaG> grr... no easy way to browse bug by number in firefox.
[16:01] <Rubin> wolfie2x, it works in crossover
[16:01] <DanaG> ubuntu bug 289466
[16:01] <ksbalaji> maco, now since jasmuz has left we would not know :(
[16:01] <wolfie2x> Rubin: yeah but it's not free?
[16:01] <DanaG> thanks for the link.  Couldn't find it myself with google.
[16:01] <Rubin> wolfie2x, it was free yesterday
[16:01] <wolfie2x> Rubin: what do u mean??
[16:02] <Rubin> wolfie2x, some kind of promotion. they released it free with 12 months support for anyone who signed up yesterday
[16:02] <frybye> Dana - I am using xsane - and it works super - thanks a lot though... (one really must use google a bit more first... heheh)
[16:02] <maco> ksbalaji: well, for future reference, i think aplay bypasses PA and lets you test just ALSA
[16:02] <maco> Rubin: they had a list of things that if Bush managed to do, theyd give away free software
[16:02] <wolfie2x> Rubin: r u serious? is it still open?
[16:02] <maco> it was the Lame Ducks President Challenge or something
[16:03] <Rubin> maco: yeah. no wolfie2x, you missed it.
[16:03] <wolfie2x> Rubin: :(
[16:03] <maco> gas dropped below $2.79 in Chicago, so they gave away free software
[16:03] <Rubin> was it chicago or twin cities?
[16:03] <maco> er...i thought he said windy city
[16:03] <maco> hmm off to /.!
[16:04] <Rubin> wolfie2x, read slashdot/digg more
[16:04] <maco> oh, it was Twin Cities, you're right
[16:05] <maco> wolfie2x: maybe you still can http://news.softpedia.com/news/Crossover-Giveaway-Complete-Serial-Codes-Still-Good-to-Go-96705.shtml
[16:05] <wolfie2x> Rubin: I have quite a lot of tech feeds on my iGoogle page 'n nothing told me of a free giveaway :(
[16:05] <maco> oh wait nevermind
[16:05] <maco> its just that itll take a few days for them to mail out the serial numbers
[16:05] <maco> wolfie2x: apparently you're missing Planet Ubuntu because like 5 people blogged it
[16:05] <amikrop> Are there any problems with the nVidia cards/drivers? Is it safe to upgrade now?
[16:06] <big_danmahony> has anyone got their hands on the final version of 8.10??
[16:06] <Pici> No, because its not out yet.
[16:06] <bazhang> big_danmahony, no
[16:06] <maco> amikrop: no suspend
[16:06] <big_danmahony> its out tommorow right?
[16:06] <maco> big_danmahony: release day's not til tomorrow
[16:06] <amikrop> maco: Well, will it be fixed until tommorow?
[16:06] <big_danmahony> yeah confusin with the time zones and all that
[16:06] <wolfie2x> big_danmahony: I dont think u'll get anything different than todays updates..
[16:06] <maco> yeah, but it's officially "while its 30 Oct in at least 1 timezone"
[16:07] <big_danmahony> ta wolfie
[16:07]  * Pici thwaps maco
[16:07] <big_danmahony> has anyone had luck with using a plasma as the main monitor?
[16:08] <wolfie2x> i just updated and there's a new readahead/boot! hope it's faster
[16:08] <wolfie2x> does it really scan our local disk and arrange the file order to match our disk
[16:09] <wolfie2x> or is it just a list?
[16:10] <chadeldridge> Is anyone else having this bug: 286435
[16:11] <amikrop> They said the Human theme was modified for Intrepid? Can I have some screenshots?
[16:11] <chadeldridge> sorry : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/286435/
[16:12] <wolfie2x> going to reboot.. just to make sure..
[16:12] <Rubin> amikrop, google it. theres billions
[16:13] <csheach> i lost my touchpad today and can't figure it out - anyone got ideas?
[16:13] <amikrop> Rubin: OK. But was the Human theme really modified?
[16:13] <Rubin> amikrop, i didn't notice any significant changes besides the background. but i tend to be oblivius to such things
[16:13] <chadeldridge> amikrop: i dont see any difference other than desktop wallpaper .. not to mention its still buggy with compiz turned on
[16:14] <Rubin> chadeldridge, wait for next version of xorg. that stuff is going to be vastly improved
[16:14] <amikrop> Rubin, chadeldridge: I see :S
[16:14] <FFForever> hi ppl :)
[16:14] <amikrop> :(
[16:14] <chadeldridge> Rubin: yeah i think the next xorg will also fix my display rotation issue
[16:14] <FFForever> anyone know how i can edit m4a's id3 tags/info?
[16:14] <chadeldridge> at least that is the hope
[16:15] <Rubin> FFForever, arent there a ton of tag editors/managers in the repositories?
[16:15] <amikrop> FFForever: EasyTAG
[16:15] <FFForever> Rubin, dunno, what do i search for?
[16:15] <FFForever> kk
[16:16] <Rubin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102066
[16:17] <csheach> so, no ideas on touchpad isssues with intrepid?
[16:17] <kimf> Anyone got creative x-fi working in intrepid?
[16:19] <tc111> amikrop: how about wma tags?
[16:23] <frybye> Hi - just connected an Elsa Microlink 56K USB Modem... how do I access it/config etc??
[16:23] <jameswf> modem? wow
[16:25] <redvamp128> I know this room is for Intrepid-- but I just got notification of Flash player10 was released and is it stable-- have asked in ubuntu room but no reply? and is it stable under Interepid?
[16:25] <Rods_Tiger> Elsa Microlink? That's a mostly software modem
[16:26] <redvamp128> And when 8.10 is finally released will 8.04 update to it?
[16:26] <frybye> jameswf: so what do you use to send faxes from the pc??
[16:27] <Pici> redvamp128: It will be presented as an option, yes.
[16:27] <frybye> Rods_Tiger: it seems to be a normal external usb modem ...???
[16:27] <Rods_Tiger> oh
[16:27] <aoupi> something is wrong with my computer in someway... when I plug in a phone it shows up and mounts like it should and I can acsess all files when I transfer it seems ok at first, good speed and all, then it crawls to a halt and is insanely slow and when it finaly gets to the end it does nothing, the transfer bar is till up
[16:27] <frybye> so anybody know where the thing can be found in ibex...??
[16:28] <aoupi> (transfering files to the phone that is)
[16:28] <jameswf> faxes?
[16:28] <frybye> aoupi - no sending a fax!!
[16:28] <jameswf> i use this beta technology called email
[16:28] <aoupi> frybye: why would I fax?
[16:29] <frybye> james - there are 100.000 reasons for occasionally using a fax.. ie the person has no email or legal reasons where the other end only accepts faxes as binding etc etc..
[16:29] <redvamp128> thanks for the quick reply-- but also anyone else running the new Flash player 10 and is it stable?
[16:29] <jameswf> frybye: then you use t.38 faxing
[16:29] <frybye> but to be honest this is not getting me very far with setting up the fax send facility... <grinn..>
[16:30] <frybye> jameswf: no idea what that is pal...
[16:30] <jameswf> fax over  ip
[16:30] <chadeldridge> Rubin: is this enough description for a bug report:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774
[16:30] <frybye> whever for - my only thing is that i dont wanna bother starting up a win-pc to send faxes..
[16:31] <jameswf> i dunno i send an email to a fax server (running asterisk) and poof it goes....
[16:31] <frybye> i had better google on this I guess..
[16:32] <frybye> My emails dont generally consist of a scanned form with manual entries and a hand signature which at least here in Germany is the only thing that officialdom will accept for instance...
[16:32] <wolfie2x> need help on private directory thingy
[16:33] <wolfie2x> created the private directory via "ecryptfs-setup-private"
[16:33] <Lamo> I upgraded to Ibex last night and now I can't get my nvidia drivers(177) to work. According to Hardware Drivers its loaded and activated. However when I restartx it doesn't work. When using envyng -t I get a kernel headers error. Also when I boot the kernel option is still 2.6.24-19??? I'm completely lost here any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
[16:33] <Rubin> chadeldridge, i'd mention that you CAN get the mouse down there, and attach a screenshot if you can get one? or a picture maybe. so its clear what you mean
[16:34] <chadeldridge> ohh i can do that thanks
[16:35] <Trewas> chadeldridge: are you using compiz?
[16:35] <GibbaTheHutt> lamo what does uname -a show
[16:36] <chadeldridge> Trewas: yes i am
[16:37] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: one sec just rebooted
[16:38] <wolfie2x> GibbaTheHutt: shows ur kernel version
[16:38] <GibbaTheHutt> wolfie2x, yep ta hehe, I was asking lamo what his showed ;), wonders of the language
[16:38] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP
[16:39] <wolfie2x> GibbaTheHutt: oops my bad
[16:39] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP
[16:39] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: why didn't my kernel update?
[16:39] <GibbaTheHutt> latest for me is 2.6.27-7-generic
[16:39] <GibbaTheHutt> have you done your latest updates ?
[16:39] <Lamo> I see that installed in synapitc
[16:40] <Lamo> but it doesn't show up in my boot menu
[16:40] <wolfie2x> GibbaTheHutt: wht does "ta" mean?
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> is it in /grub ?
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> ta = thanks :)
[16:40] <wolfie2x> i c
[16:40] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: where's that?
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> erm ls /grub
[16:40] <GibbaTheHutt> in console
[16:41] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt:  meh what is that
[16:41] <Lamo> ok
[16:41] <Lamo> I have no /grub
[16:41] <GibbaTheHutt> hmm what drive layout do you have ?
[16:41] <GibbaTheHutt> and what do you boot from
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt:  grub it's a normal ubuntu install with a vista dual boot
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: compaq laptop
[16:42] <GibbaTheHutt> erm ignore me I'm being an idiot, I mean ls /boot
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: right I found that
[16:42] <ircbin> Hello! At with time will the new Ubuntu 8.10 be available to download from Internet?
[16:42] <ircbin> 0:00?
[16:42] <Pici> ircbin: when its done.
[16:42] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt:  so I have 2.6.27-1 in there
[16:42] <Pici> !party
[16:43] <GibbaTheHutt> ok, if you go into the grub folder there
[16:43] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: oops 2.6.27-7 I mena
[16:43] <GibbaTheHutt> you will likely have a file menu.lst
[16:43] <ircbin> Pici, ok
[16:44] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: ok looking at it there's no new kernel
[16:44] <GibbaTheHutt> ok, first thing I would do is take a copy of the file and save a backup with a different name
[16:44] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: can I just change the numbers from 2.6.24-19 to 2.6.27-7
[16:44] <GibbaTheHutt> as you know at least this file works (sort of) before editing it
[16:45] <GibbaTheHutt> you could, better is to copy the old relevant parts and amend ... so you get the other kernel as an option in case there is a problem
[16:45] <GibbaTheHutt> so there are about 5 lines to each section, copy/paste one of those and amend the copy
[16:46] <GibbaTheHutt> you want to leave the original option in case you get an error you can boot with old kernel still
[16:46] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: good deal brb
[16:49] <ircbin> I tried to install Zattoo on Ubuntu 8.10RC and I could not listen its sounds... Is this a common problem previously reported?
[16:49] <ircbin> I used the 8.04 version of the program...
[16:52] <chadeldridge> Rubin: i just figured something out on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774  the issue is compiz, with it turned off i dont have the issue.  but unfortunately i need it on for my dock to work
[16:53] <Lamo>  GibbaTheHutt: haha excellent! all is working now. thanks.
[16:58] <GibbaTheHutt> yw :)
[16:59] <chadeldridge> .
[17:01] <kimf> Anyone got creative x-fi working in intrepid?
[17:01] <frybye> trying again - how to install a faxmodem in intrepid???
[17:03] <BluesKaj> what happened to the create text /folder/file options in kde4 ?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> this is nuts
[17:11] <Assid> heya
[17:16] <amikrop> In how many hours will 8.10 be officially released?
[17:16] <Assid> tomorrow
[17:16] <Assid> 30th
[17:16] <Assid> dunno what time tho..
[17:17] <Pici> amikrop: When its done.  #ubuntu-release-party await the announcement
[17:17]  * Assid gets some servers ready
[17:20] <vox> i get this error when i try to use my webcam, it uses the OV511 chipset: can not open /dev/video0 (No space left on device)  any ideas?
[17:20] <nergar> hello
[17:20] <amikrop> Assid: 30th is in 4:30 hours, here
[17:20] <Assid> as i said. dont know what time during the 30th
[17:21] <amikrop> Pici: ok
[17:21] <nergar> were can I get intrepid before all servers are flooded tomorrow? maybe I can mirror it.
[17:23] <joshuajtl> hey folks is there any app for ubuntu that syncs user settings (and files perhaps) online somehow?
[17:24] <VSpike> joshuajtl: to some extent, conduit
[17:24] <gregd> hi there, when exactly (in how many hours) 8.10 will be released?
[17:24] <Pici> gregd: When its done.
[17:25] <vox> gregd: in eleventy twelveteen  minutes
[17:25] <gregd> :)
[17:25] <Assid> err. let me knwo if you guys need servers during the release parties
[17:25] <VSpike> apport doesn't seem to be working for me - how can i test if it's enabled and properly configured?
[17:26] <Assid> i can give probably around 200-300GB transfer
[17:26] <gregd> so does it mean that it can be released tonight at midnight GMT and equally can be realised in a few days time?
[17:26] <Assid> safely.. day after :P
[17:26] <Pici> gregd: It should be released sometime during the 30th.
[17:27] <Assid> Pici: !! ltns ! 6 months to be precise
[17:27] <Pici> Assid: Howdy :)
[17:28] <Assid> apparently i use less of ubuntu than i do supporting it
[17:28] <Assid> hrmm i shoudnt have said that outloud
[17:29] <chadeldridge> is there a support channel for compiz ?
[17:29] <Pici> chadeldridge: #compiz-fusion
[17:29] <VSpike> anyone know where I can get debug symbols for xvidcap
[17:29] <chadeldridge> pici: thanks
[17:30] <gregor> Assid, connect to the torrents, when they are appearing. ;)
[17:30] <Assid> gregor: err.. i push in http and torrents simultanously
[17:30] <Assid> i got tons of extra bandwith
[17:32] <VSpike> This channel is amazingly quiet so close to a release.
[17:32] <VSpike> Does it ever get busy?
[17:32] <Assid> sure
[17:32] <VSpike> when?
[17:32] <Assid> when a new release is about to begin
[17:33] <Assid> its almost the end of this cycle.. so no real chatter.. it will mobe to the #ubuntu-release-party
[17:33] <Assid> move even
[17:33] <VSpike> Ah
[17:33] <VSpike> I'm still trying to report bugs :)
[17:33] <Assid> well do it soon
[17:34] <Roberth> hello ive installed ubuntu 8.10 on my acer aspire one, to get wireless, ive installed linux-backports-modules-intrepid as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne, but when i restart, still no wireless, what is wrong?
[17:35] <zajca> hi, is there somebody who know command to hibernate which using gnome-panel in intrepid. woks perfect and i need it for openbox
[17:40] <VSpike> Assid: the problem is, there's no-one here to answer the questions I have about the bugs :)
[17:40] <Assid> oh hrmm
[17:40] <Assid> have you posted in launchpad?
[17:40] <VSpike> but I'm doing my best
[17:40] <VSpike> Assid: yeah - I'm trying to get as complete a work-up as I can before I do, and that's where the questions come from
[17:41] <VSpike> But in the end, I just post what I can
[17:41] <Assid> i used to take screenshots and sometimes video captures of my bugs in action
[17:41] <VSpike> Assid: yes, and consquently many of the bugs i've reported today are in xvidcap :D
[17:41] <Assid> i do hope ibex is quicker than hardy.. everyone i knowe complains hardy is just slower and less stabler than the previous one
[17:42] <Assid> VSpike: then you my friend and SOL
[17:42] <VSpike> hehe
[17:43] <GibbaTheHutt> don't think you will find ibex faster tbh, probably will find it similar for most things
[17:44] <TuxSympathiser> is it worth waiting a few hours until it is officially released to upgrade (as in fresh install)
[17:44] <linuxkrn> hey guys, question about 8.10 release, I read that the beta had problems with nvidia binary not being support on xorg 7.4, will this sill be an issue with the release tomorrow?
[17:45] <GibbaTheHutt> possibly :)
[17:45] <GibbaTheHutt> linuxkrn, give the livecd a shot and see if you run into any problems
[17:45] <linuxkrn> LiveCD doesn't work with binary graphics drivers does it?
[17:46] <GibbaTheHutt> not as default, can't you add them though ? Was sure I had, but may be mistaken
[17:46] <GibbaTheHutt> running nvidia atm on ibex, but naturally you may have different problems
[17:47] <linuxkrn> didn't think you could, I tried it on 8.04 once, I think anyway. :)
[17:47] <linuxkrn> ah, so then they do work with xorg 7.4 now?
[17:47] <linuxkrn> I read the beta release notes and it said the drivers were broken, but who knows how old that message was
[17:48] <linuxkrn> ah, someone changed it, just checked it again today. :p
[17:49] <Miesco> When is it released?
[17:49] <linuxkrn> tomorrow
[17:49] <Miesco> 12am?
[17:49] <linuxkrn> no idea
[17:50] <Miesco> I upgraded early and my computer freezes arbitrarly
[17:50] <Miesco> Never know when its going to happen have to cold boot
[17:52] <tvakah> console-kit-daemon[17521]: CRITICAL: cannot initialize libpolkit keeps hitting my syslog, this is ubuntu server
[17:53] <tvakah> I'm not sure what libpolkit is exactly, but I'm not sure as I care about it on a non desktop?
[17:53] <vita_> hi all
[17:55] <vita_> If I want to switch in Krusader to Media through favourites, it says "Protocol unsupported by Krusader media:/"
[17:55] <vita_> Where is the problem?
[17:57] <vita_> I have installed everything suggested by Krusader, but to no avail. Is it bug or I do something wrong?
[17:58] <tvakah> vita_, not exactly sure since I've never used krusader myself, but isn't it an old kde3 app not ported to kde4? I could be wrong here...
[17:59] <vita_> No. Krusader2 is ported to KDE4. But perhaps they forgot to port tis part
[17:59] <vita_> this
[18:00] <vita_> But thanks for idea. Perhaps this will be really reason.
[18:00] <jtechidna> It's an svn snapshot of the KDE4 port
[18:01] <jtechidna> the media:/ kio slave hasn't been ported yet
[18:06] <alteregoa> does vino-server writes directly into the framebuffer'
[18:06] <alteregoa> or read vice versa
[18:10] <AlabamaHit> One more day :)
[18:10] <AlabamaHit> what time zone is it based on?
[18:11] <jtechidna> AlabamaHit: doesn't really matter, generally it's quite random what time in the day it actually is released
[18:13] <AlabamaHit> oh, just wonderin cause in a few hours tis going to be the 30th in some places, lol and tis only 1PM here lol
[18:14] <AlabamaHit> or say china its already the 30 lol
[18:16] <alteregoa> yeah
[18:16] <alteregoa> the chinese are ahead of us
[18:16] <hcooh> Hi there, I couln't start intrepid in live CD
[18:17] <hcooh> I had a black screen, just for the start of the session
[18:17] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: you might have to try in Safe mode.
[18:18] <hcooh> I have an ati and I think it is because of the radeon driver
[18:19] <AlabamaHit> i have same and dont have trouble....i have radeo xress 200
[18:19] <hcooh> Beacause after installing the *deb for radeonhd driver and configure in xorg.conf
[18:19] <hcooh> the session started
[18:19] <linkinxp> Hello.... I have a friend with an atheros wireless card....in the restricted drivers it says that is it in USE but is not available  in iwconfig! what can i do?
[18:19] <fdm> hello, how can i configure the size of the miniprog digitalclock in the taskrow ... and the size of some symbols in the taskrow,  i have resized the row to double-size, so everything inthere has also double size, this is not what i wanted ...
[18:20] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: tahts what it is Just Boot it in Safe Graphic mode..
[18:20] <AlabamaHit> or compatible mode forget whats it called
[18:21] <AlabamaHit> linkinxp: is the box Checked?
[18:21] <frybye> re: Pse respond if you can help with installing-config-use of a usb-fax modem???
[18:22] <hcooh> AlabamaHit: I tried in safe graphic mode but didnt work before I installed the radeonhd driver..
[18:23] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: thats odd...All versions before 8.10 i had to do that, but with 8.10 I don' t have to do that. I can boot right into it.
[18:23] <linkinxp> AlabamaHit, it says its Enabled, and working
[18:23] <linkinxp> :(
[18:23] <linkinxp> but in iwconfig i got no wireless extensions
[18:23] <AlabamaHit> but is the box checked
[18:23] <linkinxp> yes
[18:24] <AlabamaHit> rebooted?
[18:24] <hcooh> AlabamaHit: lol, for me it is the contrary, with Gutsy and Hardy, that was ok, but now for intrepid...black screen
[18:24] <AlabamaHit> hcooh: lol, thatss odd..
[18:24] <linkinxp> AlabamaHit, he just powered on
[18:24] <linkinxp> :-s
[18:25] <AlabamaHit> rebooted afer enabling the driver?
[18:25] <linkinxp> any other hints?
[18:25] <linkinxp> it was enabled before
[18:25] <linkinxp> it has been
[18:25] <AlabamaHit> Oh, it was working just stoped workin?
[18:26] <linkinxp> no he installed Ubuntu Intrepid.... and no wireless ever
[18:26] <linkinxp> it wasnt working
[18:27] <AlabamaHit> I know you usally have to "Enable" then "reboot" i hjave never personally had wireless just work.
[18:27] <linkinxp> let me see
[18:31] <NET||abuse> so annoyed at the moment, can't sync my iphone for music or podcasts without itunes :( blows.. gpodder support pelase?
[18:32] <NET||abuse> dug up my old 30GB beast of an ipod with the broken screen where i can barely read anything so i can keep up with my podcasts.. sucks.. half the time i have to guess which podcast episode i'm playing..
[18:33] <linkinxp> whats another network manager?
[18:33] <linkinxp> well but if is not in iwconfig its something else right?
[18:33] <Pici> NET||abuse: Log a bug
[18:33] <TuxSympathiser> I'm considering moving to the latest version of ubuntu (8.10) should I wait a day for the final release or should I just go with the Daily Build RC?
[18:33] <copperkid> does the wireless show up in ifconfig?
[18:34] <NET||abuse> linkinxp: you've got network-manager or wicd
[18:34] <chadeldridge1> TuxSympathiser: there are still a few issues, but nothing ground breaking that i know of
[18:34] <frybye> looking for help installing a usb-fax-modem? Any offers...?
[18:35] <mnemoc> ifconfig got deprecated with linux 2.2, why the heck people still use it instead pf iproute2???!
[18:35] <mnemoc> narf :\
[18:35]  * NET||abuse @Pici  logs bug on launchpad: "My Ipod screen is broken!"
[18:35] <frybye> ehehe
[18:35] <frybye> try - my Ipodscreen is broken and there is a credit-crunch in 8.10
[18:36] <NET||abuse> a credit crunch IN 8.10?
[18:36] <joaopinto> mnemoc, ifconfig is deprecated ?
[18:36] <frybye> well you cant post OT stuff there can you... heheh?
[18:37] <NET||abuse> guess not :)
[18:37] <TuxSympathiser> chadeldridge, so it is highly unlikely there will be any major changes in the next 24 hours
[18:37] <NET||abuse> ok,, eee package headaches :(
[18:37] <chadeldridge1> TuxSympathiser: i never assume that with linux ..
[18:37] <chadeldridge1> TuxSympathiser: i can say its been working for me for a long time now with only minor annoyance
[18:38] <mnemoc> joaopinto: yes, since linux uses netlink `ip` shall be used... even if mainstream distros insist in providing it to stay "compatible" with ancient tutorials
[18:38] <TuxSympathiser> chadeldrige1, same for any OS, I might diwnload it and get it all configured now, thanks for the help
[18:38] <Miesco> I upgraded to 8.10 and my computer freezes arbitrarly and I have to cold boot,  so is it going to be released at 12am?
[18:38] <frybye> so folks - i know you are only teasing me - time to actually respond now to my req. for help with a usb-fax-modem install?? ;=)
[18:38] <NET||abuse> hmm, if you have a netowrk of ubuntu machines, and you run apt-cache on a server, making everyone use that instead, can you use any management tools for apt-cache? so as to roll out weekly agregated updates rather than daily?
[18:38] <LARefugee> hello. Anyone got a bluetooth headset to work?
[18:38] <Miesco> Is there a common reason for ibex to break your system?
[18:39] <joaopinto> mnemoc, there is no iproute2 on my system
[18:39] <NET||abuse> Miesco: common reason is it's beta, not fully released yet
[18:39] <mnemoc> joaopinto: type `ip`
[18:39] <joaopinto> Miesco, no there isn't
[18:39] <frybye> Miesco - something about an Intel chip set or...???
[18:39] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: yeh, it's just the ip command
[18:39] <joaopinto> NET||abuse, it's not beta, it's RC, and it is not expected to break the system at this point :)
[18:39] <Miesco> NET||abuse: Okay cause my computer freezes about 10 minutes in everytime I boot
[18:40] <Miesco> It even freezes if I leave it at the gdm screen
[18:40] <NET||abuse> joaopinto: ah, ok, RC supposes
[18:40] <NET||abuse> Miesco: hmm, that could be alot of things..
[18:40] <NET||abuse> Miesco: what garphics driver you using?
[18:40] <Miesco> NET||abuse: nvidia 177
[18:40] <NET||abuse> known bugs in intrepid with 177
[18:40] <joaopinto> mnemoc, there is no mention on ipconfig's manpage that it is deprecated
[18:41] <Miesco> NET||abuse: Can you use 169 in intepid?
[18:41] <NET||abuse> roll back to 173 if you like.
[18:41] <mnemoc> joaopinto: have you seen when net-tools was touched upstream last time?
[18:41] <NET||abuse> though i'm not sure if that would improve the situation.
[18:41] <Miesco> NET||abuse: Okay
[18:42] <mnemoc> joaopinto: linux's networking is completely different now, so ifconfig and route misses most of the info
[18:42] <Miesco> Okay going to 173 see if that works
[18:42] <Miesco> thanks
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> does anyone know where i can read about how the guest system is implemented? Is it simply a `cp -r /home/.guest /home/guest` or something? Thanks!
[18:42] <Miesco> Im going to format and install intrepid when its released
[18:42] <frybye> another try: is there a usb-fax-modem- guru in the house?
[18:43] <chadeldridge> ..
[18:43] <frybye> chad.. you know how to install an elsa microlink 56k usb modem??
[18:44] <mnemoc> joaopinto: it's deprecation is stated on the bible, wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ffconfig
[18:44] <mnemoc> ifconfig*
[18:46] <frybye> <--  gives up for now - bye folks...
[18:46] <mnemoc> joaopinto: but I was wrong, ifconfig was the right way until linux 2.2 (inclusive)
[18:48] <joaopinto> mnemoc, ok, I am convinced you can quit :P
[18:48] <nastas> i can't connect Nokia phone not even for simple file transfer. any idea?
[18:48] <mnemoc> joaopinto =)
[18:49] <Zapt> hi
[18:52] <chadeldridge>  anyone else possibly able to help with this issue:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774
[19:00] <mohbana> hi, is the release tonight?
[19:01] <louise> hello mates
[19:02] <louise> my touchpad is going insane
[19:02] <louise> I remember I could fix this altering a few lines in xorg.conf
[19:03] <Alex_Gaynor> For some reason flash stopped working for me at some point between last night, and today, when I try to go to a youtube video for example, the first 3 seconds plays, and than it freezes, I haven't changed any settings that i'm aware of
[19:03] <Alex_Gaynor> does anyone know what could cause this/the fix
[19:03] <chadeldridge> Alex_Gaynor: which flash do you have install the nonfree?
[19:04] <Alex_Gaynor> yeah
[19:04] <louise> now that tweaking it is not recommended no more, what shall I do?
[19:06] <louise> the deafening sound of silence
[19:07] <louise> !seen bsnider
[19:07] <louise> how come?
[19:10] <zajca> hi, is there somebody who know command to hibernate which using gnome-panel in intrepid. woks perfect and i need it for openbox
[19:10] <zajca> *works
[19:14] <jonah> hey where is nvidia-glx-new these days?
[19:14] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone on the flash issue?
[19:15] <louise> jonah, its okay
[19:17] <joaopinto> !upgrading
[19:18] <sahak> hello
[19:18] <sahak> Is anybody able to listen to any of the HBR1 preset radio stations in Rhythmbox in Ubuntu 8.10?
[19:19] <jonah> louise, sorry i'm not with you? i cant find it??
[19:22] <mimi> hi i have a question, if there are still issues with 8.10 that are unresolved by tomorrow, what happens to them ? do we have to wait 6 months for a fix?
[19:22] <crimsun> no, we are actively tracking a subset of known issues.  Those will be addressed in intrepid-updates ASAP.
[19:23] <rgreening> mimi: updates come out regularly
[19:23] <rgreening> mimi: bug fixes, security updates, etc....
[19:23] <mimi> so what is the difference between what comes out tomorrow and what is out today and what is out later than that to fix bugs ?
[19:24] <crimsun> 1028.2 is very probably the desktop image for both i386 and amd64
[19:24] <sahak> crimsun: there is a 10.29 already
[19:25] <Alex_Gaynor> Hrm, in addition to my flash bugs(actually probably the same bug), Totem has no sound, and the volume control is grayed out, but VLC works fine
[19:25] <Alex_Gaynor> I would guess this is a Pulse Audio issue, dose that seem right?
[19:25] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: please summarise; I don't have scrollback.
[19:26] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: When I try to play something in youtube, it plays for 3 seconds, then freezes, and if I close that tab, my browser crashes, plus those totem issues
[19:26] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: which arch?  have did you install Flash?  fresh install or distribution upgrade?
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> I've been running 8.10 since Alpha 4
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> and it's been fine for weeks
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> i386
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> and flash is flashplugin-nonfree straight from the repos
[19:27] <Alex_Gaynor> it was a fresh install at the time of a4
[19:27] <crimsun> sahak: 1029 is very improbable; see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:28] <louise> jonah, you can install the nvidia drivers using envy-ng
[19:29] <sahak> Is anybody able to watch BBC from totem? When I try it, totem says "Could not connect to server".
[19:29] <ilembitov> Hi, all. I have Dell Inspiron 1525 running Kubuntu 8.10 RC. Just installed and I can't make my wi-fi work. It's Broadcom 4312-based, so it should be handled through wl driver, but the Jockey doesn't allow me to turn the driver on, although it displays that the driver is available
[19:35] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: sorry, triaging in another channel & got waylaid
[19:35] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: No problem
[19:36] <Alex_Gaynor> I haven't changed any settings nor have I gotten any updates since last night, which is why I'm so confused
[19:36] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, so let's eliminate the most obvious culprits.  Please log out of GNOME and back in, then open a Terminal and execute `pgrep -c -x pulseaudio ; paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav'
[19:36] <wyatt> I updated to 8.10, everything worked fine, but then my update manager told me to update my kernel to .27 something, and now my wireless dont work, what should I do?
[19:37] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Ok, I'm using chatzilla so I will brb
[19:37] <Rubin> wyatt, debug it
[19:37] <wyatt> I have an Atheros 5007eg card
[19:37] <dedalu> Hello! I have a problem since last night updates on intrepid, but I don't have a clue on how report it. I have the problematic rtl8187 wireless card on my laptop. It is working, but -- today -- if I connect from my desktop to sync with unison, for example, all stops, including ping. The odd side is: if I keep pinging my router, everything works...
[19:40] <dedalu> If I start ping <IP_ADDRESS> from laptop before connecting from desktop, all work. If I connect form desktop first, and then ping <IP_ADDRESS>: Destination Host Unreachable ...
[19:40] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Ok it printed 1, and than played the sound through my USB headset, when I logged in it played the login sound through my speakers though, FWIW
[19:41] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, good.  And now, please attempt to reproduce the symptom.
[19:41] <VSpike> How can I find out which driver is being used by xorg for my graphics hardware?
[19:42] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Ok stuff is playing through totem now
[19:42] <dedalu> VSpike: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:42] <MadsRH> If i want to report a bug for the shutdown window, witch package is that?
[19:43] <crimsun> VSpike: e.g., grep -B3 -E 'class(.)*X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:43] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: Youtube vids are still freezing 3 seconds in though
[19:43] <Alex_Gaynor> and they don't play any audio
[19:43] <VSpike> thanks
[19:44] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, let's check the software.  what's the output from `dpkg -l libasound2-plugins'?
[19:44] <Helol> Alex_Gaynor: I used to have that in firefox on windows. I just removed all firefox settings from my profile and things worked again
[19:44] <Helol> no flash video played
[19:45] <Helol> just 3-4 secs and apparent freeze
[19:45] <Alex_Gaynor> crimsun: http://dpaste.com/87621/
[19:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Helol: the video plays for me, just no audio, and then the freeze
[19:46] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: ok, good.  Can you reproduce the symptom with a brand new test user account?
[19:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Let me create a new account and check
[19:47] <Helol> Alex_Gaynor: it played for 3-4 secs and froze in win. I think I had audio though
[19:47] <Alex_Gaynor> Ok logging out to go check the test user
[19:50] <Alex_Gaynor> Umm, WTF, I used the user switcher thing to log into the test user, tried playing something on youtube, it played through the headset, then I switched back to my account, and it just started playing through my speakers(I hadn't closed the youtube tab) :/
[19:51] <Helol> heh
[19:52] <Helol> it didn't freeze?
[19:52] <Alex_Gaynor> nope
[19:53] <Alex_Gaynor> let me try reloading the page, see if it goes back
[19:53] <Helol> so something in your firefox config has gone fubar
[19:53] <Alex_Gaynor> and it appears fine
[19:53] <Alex_Gaynor> well no, I'm back on my account
[19:54] <Alex_Gaynor> which should mean by firefox profile right?
[19:54] <Helol> probably
[19:54] <Helol> I recognized part of your problem from my own firefox problems on windows so I thought it might be the same
[19:55] <Helol> there probably is some very simple fix to the problem
[19:55] <Helol> let me know if you find it heh
[19:55] <Alex_Gaynor> hehe, let me restart firefox, and see if it's still fine
[19:55] <keithclark> I just installed 8.10 64 bit on my laptop but I cannot get my broadcom wireless adapter to work....any suggestions?
[19:56] <Alex_Gaynor> I do belive we've found a flaw in the scientific method, we had a problem, we did nothing, and it's fine :/
[19:58] <Helol> heh
[19:58] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: nah, that just means the problem space is slightly larger than what I thought
[19:58] <crimsun> so we need to consider console-kit in addition to pulseaudio and nspluginwrapper
[19:59] <crimsun> anyhow, nothing that I'm going to pursue in the next day over 8.10's release :-)
[19:59] <crimsun> if it occurs again, however, please do file a bug using Launchpad
[19:59] <Alex_Gaynor> Sure
[19:59] <Alex_Gaynor> I'm just glad to have my precious rick roll back :P
[20:00] <crimsun> BTW, if you intend to record anything, you probably want to use the fixed libasound2-plugins deb in my PPA.
[20:00] <crimsun> we're targeting that fix for -updates post-release.
[20:00] <Alex_Gaynor> Skype has always been fine with my mic
[20:01] <Alex_Gaynor> what does yours fix?
[20:01] <chadeldridge> what version of compiz was 8.04 using ?
[20:01] <keithclark> Ok, I take it that a broadcom wireless card is just one of those things that will not work with Ubuntu?
[20:02] <chadeldridge> keithclark: wireless ?  use the ndiswrapper is about your best bet, works with mine
[20:03] <chadeldridge> keithclark: i am not sure if the fwcutter drivers still exist in the repo or not, there are tons of walkthroughs on ubuntuforums.org though about how to do it
[20:03] <keithclark> chadeldridge, no, fwcutter does not seem to exist anymore
[20:04] <dedalu> some clue on my problem? If I connect from my desktop to my laptop (wireless), after some activity, the laptop looses the gateway (ping <IP_ADDRESS>: Destination host unreachable). But if I start ping from laptop before the desktop connection, all works. The problem started today, after some updates...
[20:05] <CarlFK> does  /var/run/motd get replaced on each boot?
[20:05] <CarlFK> and if so, what generates it.  I want to add some lines
[20:06] <keithclark> chadeldridge, no problems....I'll keep XP on my machines with Broadcom cards
[20:06] <wamcvey>  Greetings all... anyone know if the standard (or server) kernel on Intrepid can be used as dom0 under Xen?
[20:07] <wamcvey> The folks on #ubuntu-virt were unresponsive, so I figured I'd check with you guys.
[20:08] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: alsa routed through pulse ioplug
[20:08] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: the straightforward test case is using gnome-sound-recorder
[20:08] <crimsun> (Applications> Sound & Video> Sound Recorder)
[20:08] <Alex_Gaynor> Hehe, skype works for me, so I don't think I'm going to mess this it :)
[20:09] <ripps> Yo, what's up y'all
[20:09] <crimsun> Alex_Gaynor: well, it does affect other applications like Audacity
[20:09] <Alex_Gaynor> skype is the only thing I record with
[20:10] <askand> What is the name of the community theme package?
[20:11] <Gin> where to go to get ubuntu intrepid right after release? any torrent url?
[20:12] <jameswf> would be cool if people could crash the ubuntu mirrors like they did with openoffice or crossover
[20:13] <heanol> does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix an old xmodmap to be used by the new x.org?
[20:13] <Gin> the gnome theme is the same as the one used in hardy? :\
[20:13] <ljuwaidah> may i speak to the release manager?
[20:13] <ripps> So, there doesn't seem to be as many people as last release
[20:14] <ljuwaidah> you guys are really discreet about the release time, aren't you?
[20:15] <Rubin> its not a secret ljuwaidah. they just DONT KNOW
[20:15] <crimsun> ljuwaidah: the RM is very, very busy/tired.
[20:15] <s0u][ight> the release hour plz :P
[20:15] <ljuwaidah> I like fedora's approach better
[20:15] <Rubin> hes better off spending his time working on getting it out the door rather than going on IRC talking to you about his schedule
[20:16] <s0u][ight> i had upgraded to beta, do i need to do update-manager -d again?
[20:16] <Rubin> then if anything takes longer everyone can be mad at him
[20:16] <ljuwaidah> i doubt it'll take more than 1 minute to change the topic
[20:16] <ripps> It's not even Thursday yet. Be patient
[20:16] <Rubin> ljuwaidah, it will be here by tomorrow at this time.
[20:16] <ljuwaidah> it is in my time
[20:16] <dedalu> anyone who knows about network? could the last change on procps (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/procps/1:3.2.7-9ubuntu2) be the cause of my problem? If I keep pinging the router I do not have problems with hvy wireless transfers. If I start the hvy transfer without pinging, I loose connectivity but not the wireless connection (ping router returns Destination Host Unreachable)...
[20:17] <Rubin> ljuwaidah, if your so antsy for it, run the RC. it works FINE
[20:17] <ruthgard> Question
[20:17] <Rubin> dedalu, it sounds like a driver bug to me
[20:17] <ljuwaidah> not comfortable using not-final relases as my primary os
[20:18] <ruthgard> if I download the RC today and install it will the update to the real version be just some updated packages or do I need to make a dist-uprade thingy?
[20:18] <dedalu> but I did not updated the driver today... and the problem is happening after some updates
[20:18] <ljuwaidah> +1 ruthgard
[20:18] <dedalu> but yes, the driver is new... rtl8187
[20:18] <Daekdroom> ruthgard: dist-upgrade, but it might not even need that
[20:18] <ripps> RC will become Final just through regular updates... I need to alias this with ubottu.
[20:18] <Daekdroom> ruthgard: just in case they add/remove a package at the last moment
[20:19] <ljuwaidah> so what's the release manager doing right now?
[20:19] <Daekdroom> Testing ISOs?
[20:19] <ljuwaidah> damn! that must be boring :(
[20:19] <ljuwaidah> i feel sad for him
[20:20] <dedalu> thanks rubin
[20:20] <Gin> what gnome theme is Intrepid using for this release?
[20:21] <Daekdroom> Human
[20:21] <s0u][ight> it should be Human
[20:21] <Gin> the same old theme?
[20:21] <DanaG> Murrine variant, actually.
[20:21] <ripps> That being said, Intrepid comes with the New Human theme, which is different.
[20:21] <Daekdroom> Slightly modified
[20:22] <Gin> where can I see a screenshot?
[20:23] <ljuwaidah> i miss using linux, i've been using vista for over 3 months now, i want to use linux so bad
[20:23] <Gin> ljuwaidah, then get Ubuntu
[20:23] <ripps> Screw Human and just install Dust, I like it a whole lot better.
[20:23] <ljuwaidah> gin: I don't get you
[20:24] <ripps> If you want ubuntu just install the RC, it the same thing as Final is going to be.
[20:24] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: download an iso burn it boot from it and install it ;)
[20:24] <s0u][ight> there you have the so much missed linux back
[20:24] <ljuwaidah> :|
[20:24] <s0u][ight> or in a virtual machine
[20:25] <ljuwaidah> why doesn't everybody do that then?
[20:25] <rski> because everybody think's the OS is a part of the motherboard
[20:25] <rski> at least most of my friends do
[20:25] <rski> like it lives in the hardware
[20:25] <rski> kinda funny
[20:26] <rski> i haven't said anything about it thou, letting them be ignorantly happy :)
[20:26] <s0u][ight> most people think windows is the only os
[20:27] <ljuwaidah> Woha!
[20:27] <ljuwaidah> and i thought MY friends are ignorant :P
[20:27] <s0u][ight> my friends know linux tnx to me :)
[20:27] <ljuwaidah> I'm talking about you guys, why's everybody waiting for final version?
[20:27] <rski> but now it's reversed thou
[20:27] <Daekdroom> :o
[20:27] <rski> linux -is- part of the motherboard
[20:28] <rski> all hail splashtop \o/
[20:28] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: i'm using the latest version atm :P
[20:28] <ripps> I installed Ubuntu on my mom's computer about half a year ago. At first she was terrified, she thought I was going to fry her computer somehow. But now, she refuses to use XP anymore because Linux is just so much faster.
[20:28] <ljuwaidah> hahaha
[20:28] <heanol> ugh, both xmodmap and xbindkeys seem to be broken i intrepid
[20:28] <Daekdroom> I'm using Vista right now.
[20:28] <ljuwaidah> my parents refuse to try linux
[20:28] <s0u][ight> the belgian and dutch government want to switch to linux
[20:29] <ljuwaidah> me too
[20:29] <Daekdroom> Makes no sense to install a RC/final release just released
[20:29] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: a live cd... without any installation you can try it out
[20:29] <ljuwaidah> daekdroom? what? *heart rate increases dramatically*
[20:29] <Daekdroom> It's just unstable as hell
[20:29] <Daekdroom> Well. I say that because I can't boot it :(
[20:30] <ljuwaidah> the comp they're using is old, it takes ages to boot from live CDS
[20:30] <ripps> Daekdroom has a point, I don't think most Linux OS's are very stable until a month or two after their release.
[20:30] <heanol> then it shouldn't have been released.. :P
[20:31] <heanol> that's the whole point of a  stable release
[20:31] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: and that pc has vista installed?
[20:31] <Daekdroom> They have to keep a 6 month develop cycle.
[20:31] <ikonia> gents - don't forget this is a support cahnnel
[20:31] <ikonia> channel even
[20:31] <ljuwaidah> that's what you get for following a strict schedule with so many features to add in every release
[20:31] <ljuwaidah> no, it has xp home
[20:31] <Daekdroom> and most of the stability is caused by poor hardware compatibility, lost during the numerous updates
[20:31] <ljuwaidah> my laptop has vista
[20:32] <ripps> release means it's mostly stable, there will always be small things that fall through the cracks. This is universal for all OS's. Look all the problems that XP had until SP2.
[20:32] <s0u][ight> intrepid is working fine for me
[20:32] <s0u][ight> had crashed like 3 weeks ago but now everything works nice
[20:32] <ljuwaidah> s0u][ight: you're using the RC?
[20:32] <s0u][ight> led light is working for wireless yay
[20:33] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: upgraded from hardy
[20:33] <ljuwaidah> Ah!
[20:33] <chadeldridge> I am getting this :  Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".  when i sudo pretty much any command ... any idea why ?
[20:33] <ljuwaidah> s0u][ight: it usuallly doesn't?
[20:33] <ikonia> chadeldridge: are you using nvidia/ati cards
[20:33] <chadeldridge> nvidia
[20:33] <ikonia> chadeldridge: which drivers
[20:33] <chadeldridge> ikonia: 177.80
[20:34] <s0u][ight> ljuwaidah: wireless has improved a lot between 2.6.24 => 2.6.27
[20:34] <ikonia> chadeldridge: thats not the one shipped with ubuntu is it ?
[20:34] <s0u][ight> this is hardy compared with intrepid
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> I see
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> btw, what'sthe difference between #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1?
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> I do ask lots of questions, don't i?
[20:34] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: ubuntu+1 8.10 support ubuntu  is jus ubuntu
[20:34] <ljuwaidah> oops, i did it again
[20:34] <chadeldridge> ikonia: its not the ubuntu one but the one from the repo
[20:34] <ikonia> chadeldridge: from what repos ?
[20:34] <chadeldridge> ubuntu
[20:34] <ikonia> chadeldridge: the ones in the ubuntu repos are the ubuntu ones
[20:35] <ikonia> chadeldridge: how can it not be the ubuntu ones but the ones from the repo ?
[20:35] <ljuwaidah> so after 8.10 is released #ubuntu+1 will be for 9.04?
[20:35] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: no it will close
[20:35] <s0u][ight> :|
[20:35] <ljuwaidah> :|
[20:35] <chadeldridge> ikonia: ok .. then yes . the ubuntu on
[20:35] <wamcvey> anyone on here a xen guru? Trying to get it to work on intrepid and having difficulties
[20:35] <ikonia> chadeldridge: are you using a dual headed monitor by any chance ?
[20:35] <ljuwaidah> why?
[20:35] <ikonia> wamcvey: what's up
[20:35] <chadeldridge> ikonia: no i am not
[20:36] <ljuwaidah> why not make it for ubuntu <current version + 1>?
[20:36] <Gin> any one knows what icon theme this guy is using? http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/c0202d35b9db1df6d2be1f977a6cd5486g.jpg
[20:36] <ikonia> chadeldridge: Hmmmm, can you give me an example of a command thats failing
[20:36] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: because 9.04 doesnt exist
[20:36] <ljuwaidah> yet
[20:36] <chadeldridge> ikonia: sudo update-manager -d
[20:36] <doggymenz> when 8.10 gets released in a couple of hours, will the servers go down?
[20:36] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: any won't once 8.10 is live
[20:36] <chadeldridge> ikonia: doesnt fail though it just pops errors
[20:36] <ikonia> chadeldridge: try gksudo update-manager -d
[20:36] <doggymenz> slashdot ready? digg ready? linux.com ready?
[20:37] <ripps> When the first alpha for 9.04 is released this channel will probably be reopened.
[20:37] <ikonia> doggymenz: no servers are going down
[20:37] <doggymenz> lets make 8.10 big announcement
[20:37] <wamcvey> ikonia: I've install xen-hypervisor-3.3 installed, when I try to boot xen-3.3.gz I get panic trying to start dom0:   elf_init: not an ELF binary.
[20:37] <doggymenz> cool
[20:37] <ljuwaidah> I see
[20:37] <doggymenz> imagine if google put ubuntu on front page :D
[20:37] <chadeldridge> ikonia: yeah same errors
[20:37] <ikonia> wamcvey: that sounds pretty serious. What arch are you on
[20:37] <ikonia> chadeldridge: thats frustrating
[20:37] <chadeldridge> !paste
[20:37] <ikonia> chadeldridge: can you show me your xorg.conf in a pastebin please.
[20:37] <wamcvey> AMD_64
[20:37] <ljuwaidah> so i'll just hang out here until i get kicked, that's how i know 8.10 is released, heh
[20:38] <chadeldridge> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64270/
[20:38] <ikonia> wamcvey: go into /boot and run "file" against the xen kernel
[20:39] <ripps> Is there going to be any way to install Kernel 2.6.28 in Intrepid? KMS should greatly increase performance on my video card.
[20:39] <ikonia> ripps not currently, probably not ever
[20:39] <ljuwaidah> what's kms?
[20:39] <ljuwaidah> why?
[20:39] <ripps> Kernel Mode-Switching
[20:39] <chadeldridge> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64272/
[20:39] <michaelfavia> wanted to know if there is an iso of what will eventually be called 8.10 tomorrow floating around.
[20:40] <ikonia> chadeldridge: can you also show me /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release please
[20:40] <keithclark> ljuwaidah, just install the RC version now.  Same as release if you update
[20:40] <wamcvey> ikonia: well, the xen-3.3.gz is a gzip (obviously), zcat xen-3.3.gz | file, shows me it's a ELF 32-bit LSB executable. However, the xen hypervisor isn't what's it's complaining about, it's having issues with the dom0 (I think)
[20:40] <ikonia> michaelfavia: no - it's not released yet
[20:40] <michaelfavia> i have a testing machine id like to slap it on before i go out of town for  amonth
[20:40] <ljuwaidah> i wasn't asking about that
[20:40] <ikonia> wamcvey: ahhhh there we go
[20:40] <ikonia> wamcvey: it's 32bit
[20:40] <michaelfavia> ikonia, i know it isnt released but at this stage in the game not much shoul debe changing. is there a nightly iso spin?
[20:40] <ikonia> wamcvey: dom0 is just the "domain
[20:41] <ikonia> michaelfavia: get one from the spins if you want, but I think you'll find it will have changed
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> i'm asking why 2.6.28 will "never work on inrepid"
[20:41] <tux> anyone else have a problem starting cam in kopete?
[20:41] <ikonia> ljuwaidah: work and be available are two seperate things
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> ah!
[20:41] <michaelfavia> ikonia, tomorrow is stil the release date no?
[20:41] <tux> it used to work in hardy
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> so why won't it be available?
[20:41] <ripps> ljuwaidah: ubuntu release tend to stick to a single kernel release.
[20:41] <ikonia> chadeldridge: what happened to your xorg file
[20:41] <ikonia> michaelfavia: correct
[20:41] <wamcvey> ikonia: so I can't launch a x86_64 dom0 from a x86 hypervisor then?  Ok... need to figure out how to get an 64 hypervisor.
[20:41] <chadeldridge> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64273/
[20:41] <ljuwaidah> Really?
[20:42] <ikonia> wamcvey: something very wrong there
[20:42] <chadeldridge> ikonia: nothing .. its pretty isnt it, i have a very odd setup
[20:42] <ikonia> chadeldridge: your xorg doesn't look like a default xorg for 8.10
[20:42] <ljuwaidah> fedora releases kernel updates when they're out
[20:42] <wamcvey> ikonia: I have this package installed: xen-hypervisor-3.3 - The Xen Hypervisor for i386 and amd64.
[20:42] <ikonia> chadeldridge: your using dual monitor and xinerama
[20:42] <ripps> Maybe Kernel PPA will have 2.6.28 once alpha's for Jaunty start up.
[20:42] <ikonia> chadeldridge: I asked you if you where using it and you said no
[20:42] <chadeldridge> ikonia: it is .. just modified by nvidia driver .. no xinerama
[20:42] <keithclark> ljuwaidah, how often did you want to update?
[20:42] <ljuwaidah> do they get released as testing or development for example?
[20:43] <ikonia> chadeldridge: what are lines 26 - 28 then
[20:43] <wamcvey> ikonia: and it only has /boot/xen-3.3.gz in the list of files (outside of the doc files of course)
[20:43] <ljuwaidah> I don't mind updating
[20:43] <ikonia> chadeldridge: why are two monitors defined
[20:43] <ikonia> wamcvey: I'm just trying to get the package info for xen
[20:43] <ikonia> chadeldridge: why do you have 2 cards defined
[20:43] <chadeldridge> ikonia:    Option         "Xinerama" "0"  means its off and i have to define 2 monitors to support 2 xsessions and rotate the second monitor
[20:44] <chadeldridge> ikonia: 2 heads on the same card
[20:44] <ikonia> chadeldridge: they have the same bus id
[20:44] <ikonia> chadeldridge: that is not a standard xorg setting, and the nvidia driver does not modify it like that
[20:44] <ikonia> chadeldridge: ahh nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
[20:45] <ikonia> chadeldridge: so you've used nvidia-settings to create this
[20:45] <chadeldridge> ikonia: this is out of the box after running nvidia-xconfig .. yeah you go tit
[20:45] <ikonia> chadeldridge so it's nothing like out of the box
[20:45] <michaelfavia> nvidia-xconfig != nvidia-settings
[20:45] <bsnider> chadeldridge, do _not_ run that command in intrepid
[20:45] <keithclark> Ok, I shall try one last time......does 8.10 support broadcom wireless or do I have to use windows drivers and ndiswrapper?
[20:45] <chadeldridge> bsnider: why not .. nothing says not to ?
[20:45] <ikonia> michaelfavia exactly
[20:46] <wamcvey> ikonia: my menu.lst is at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64280/  the initrd listed in there was created per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen#line-74
[20:46] <bsnider> chadeldridge, because it creates an outdated xorg.conf file
[20:46] <ikonia> wamcvey I'll have to get back to you, just prepping a macine for xen
[20:46] <chadeldridge> bsnider: well thats good to know after the fact ... shame they put the icon there to use, how else should i have done it ?
[20:46] <czajkowski> hmm just upgraded there and restarted and it's not seeing any network. any ideas?
[20:46] <wamcvey> ikonia, would you mind if we continued the assistance over email?
[20:47] <michaelfavia> keithclark, which chipset?
[20:47] <chadeldridge> ikonia: you hit something about the bus ids.. thanks that is actually an issue i have been fighting
[20:47] <bsnider> chadeldridge, first of all, what is your issue?
[20:47] <michaelfavia> keithclark, lspci
[20:47] <ikonia> wamcvey I'm in here most of the time
[20:47] <chadeldridge> bsnider: here this explains it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/290774
[20:47] <ikonia> wamcvey: you can catch me most Europe based time zones
[20:47] <wamcvey> ikonia: ok, tell ya what, would you be willing to shoot me a unicast IRC message when you've got your system up and running, so I can drop off the channel?
[20:48] <chadeldridge> ikonia: how do i find the bus ids for the heads on the video card so i can define them correctly
[20:48] <ikonia> wamcvey: not a problem at all
[20:48] <keithclark> michaelfavia, 4318
[20:48] <ikonia> chadeldridge: its normally one up eg: 1:0:0 and 1:0:1
[20:48] <wamcvey> ikonia: thanks a lot... I'll continue tinkering as well. Thanks.
[20:48] <ikonia> wamcvey: take me an hour or so
[20:48] <chadeldridge> that may be my entire issue
[20:48] <michaelfavia> keithclark, should work out of the box i think
[20:48] <michaelfavia> with restricted drivers.
[20:48] <michaelfavia> checking
[20:49] <keithclark> michaelfavia, no, it does not.
[20:49] <Trewas> chadeldridge: I have the same bug (and commented on your bug), a part of second screen is black with compiz
[20:49] <chadeldridge> ikonia: restarting X .. brb
[20:49] <michaelfavia> keithclark, you need the bcm firmware only i think
[20:49] <chadeldridge> Trewas: yep ... im gonna see if this fixes it
[20:49] <michaelfavia> used to be a firmware cutter tool
[20:50] <michaelfavia> but i though they included it recently.
[20:50] <michaelfavia> looking
[20:50] <keithclark> michaelfavia, no firmware fcutter anymore.
[20:50] <keithclark> Thanks for looking though!
[20:50] <michaelfavia> keithclark, so whats a broadcom owner left to do?
[20:51] <michaelfavia> besides ditch a crappy chiip  ;)
[20:51] <keithclark> michaelfavia, In a laptop....run XP
[20:51] <michaelfavia> dell i take it?
[20:51] <keithclark> HP
[20:51] <keithclark> Wonderful machine
[20:51] <michaelfavia> why not replace the minipci card?
[20:51] <michaelfavia> 40 bucks
[20:51] <michaelfavia> with a decent one
[20:51] <keithclark> XP is free
[20:51] <keithclark> $0
[20:52] <michaelfavia> you keep thinking that ;)
[20:52] <DanaG> HP has BIOS whitelists.
[20:52] <keithclark> I don't get it though.  Broadcom makes a lot of chips
[20:52] <keithclark> Not having a driver eliminates a ton of machines, no?
[20:53] <chadeldridge> ikonia: so changing that to a :1 cause the second screen not to start, seems it has to be :0 no idea why
[20:54] <ikonia> chadeldridge: check the pci id's it may not be one, lspci should show you
[20:54] <chadeldridge> ikonia: doing that now
[20:54] <ikonia> back in 5
[20:54] <chadeldridge> ikonia: only shows 1 card :  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)
[20:55] <Lamo> After upgrading to Ibex yesterday I now have no sound except crackling. Is there a fix for this  yet?
[20:55] <michaelfavia> Lamo, sounds like pulse audio issue.
[20:55] <mikel> hey anybody know why my wireless will connect every where except my school? just spins around and then sais disconnected, i can connect at home or around town but at school no go. the schools network is dhcp no security and its not broadcasting ssid but i know it
[20:55] <michaelfavia> there was a post in the forums about it
[20:55] <michaelfavia> it was supposed to be fixed in normal upgrade..
[20:56] <michaelfavia> sorry it wasnt.
[20:56] <Lamo> had the same problem on my laptop at home but I can't find the post I read before. Ill keep looking though
[20:56] <Lamo> when is the official release date? Tomorrow?
[20:56] <wgrant> Lamo: 2008/10/30, as always.
[20:57] <mikel> no clue's?
[20:58] <bsnider> clues. not clue's
[20:58] <michaelfavia> mikel, sorry no.
[20:58] <mikel> yea yea sorry
[20:59] <mikel> hmmm
[20:59] <mikel> vista connects fine
[20:59]  * michaelfavia watches the grammar police and etiquette police and wishes theyd devote more time to actually helping people and not lording over them
[20:59] <mikel> thank you
[20:59] <michaelfavia> mikel, intrepid?
[21:00] <mikel> yea
[21:00] <Lamo>  alsamixer -Dhw needed to turn up PCM >_> remembered it being something easy to fix
[21:00] <michaelfavia> and youre specifying the SSID.
[21:00] <mikel> yep
[21:00] <keithclark> michaelfavia, they'd
[21:00] <michaelfavia> keithclark, i hope i see sarcasm in there
[21:01] <keithclark> of course!
[21:01] <michaelfavia> ;)
[21:01] <keithclark> :)
[21:01] <michaelfavia> mikel, and it will associate?
[21:01] <chadeldridge> ikonia: does that sound correct to only show 1 card ?
[21:01] <michaelfavia> but not grab dhcp?
[21:01] <mikel> yup
[21:01] <ImpatientKDE> hello
[21:01] <michaelfavia> can you manually specify a valid one?
[21:02] <michaelfavia> ip addt and dns
[21:02] <mikel> same thing with my teachers router it shows up as cis -125 but when i try to connect no go
[21:02] <michaelfavia> using what you learn from windows
[21:02] <mikel> uughh that means multiple reboots
[21:04] <mikel> so other than that (which i'll try in a moment) any other ideas?
[21:04] <michaelfavia> thinking
[21:04] <michaelfavia> mikel, no software firewall i assume?
[21:04] <michaelfavia> on your machine
[21:04] <mikel> nope fresh intrepid install
[21:04] <michaelfavia> gotcha
[21:04] <mikel> (just switched from 64b to 32b)
[21:05] <mikel> had same prob with 64 tho
[21:05] <mikel> only here at the school lol
[21:05] <mikel> nowhere elts in town
[21:05] <michaelfavia> mikel, what happens if you run dhclient?
[21:06] <michaelfavia> sudo dhclient ETHWHATEVER
[21:06] <chadeldridge> ikonia: are you back by chance ?
[21:07] <mikel> how do i find the wifi id?
[21:07] <mikel> for dhcclient
[21:07] <michaelfavia> ifconfig
[21:08] <michaelfavia> probably wlan0
[21:08] <michaelfavia> but sometimes misconfigured as eth1
[21:08] <michaelfavia> iwconfig
[21:08] <michaelfavia> mikel, sorry
[21:08] <michaelfavia> that gets you AP info too
[21:12] <Lamo> ok so now sound works but I'm getting weird flash issues, for instance I get grey lines flashing across the video and browser locks up.  I came to the step where it searching for a cdrom.. and it didnt find any cdrom because i want to install it from a usb stick
[21:16] <keithclark> michaelfavia, so I guess the answer to my question is that broadcom user look elsewhere for an OS?
[21:16] <Nikke> desktop version did to install
[21:16] <ripps> I'm going to take AWN  for a spin
[21:16] <Nikke> desktop version did work*
[21:16] <michaelfavia> keithclark, i find that very hard to believe
[21:17] <frybye> re: still looking for help on installing a usb-fax-modem??
[21:17] <michaelfavia> ndis wrapper is a last respot if NO drivers exist
[21:17] <keithclark> michaelfavia, it was a question
[21:17] <keithclark> michaelfavia, ndiswrapper is not a solution to me.  That is using Windows to bandaid Linux
[21:18] <michaelfavia> no that is using windows to bandaind a crappy vendor.
[21:18] <frybye> who is the duty-usb-fax-modem- guru just now??
[21:18] <michaelfavia> linux works just fine.
[21:19] <michaelfavia> keithclark, and the FW cutter is in intrepids repos
[21:19] <mikel> dhclient sais no dhcp offers recieved and goes to sleep
[21:19] <michaelfavia> b43-fwcutter
[21:19] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I could not find it
[21:19] <michaelfavia> im looking at it
[21:19] <keithclark> Let me try again
[21:20] <michaelfavia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/b43-fwcutter keithclark
[21:20] <michaelfavia> mikel, hrm.. sorry ive never had this issue personally.
[21:20] <michaelfavia> was hoing for an error of sometype.
[21:21] <mikel> dang
[21:21] <michaelfavia> but im guessing you arent alone
[21:21] <michaelfavia> it is only THIS router right?
[21:21] <michaelfavia> AP rather
[21:21] <mikel> nope all the routers at my school
[21:21] <mikel> ap's
[21:21] <fserve> when will be released ubuntu+1?
[21:22] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I am in Ubuntu 64 bit Synaptic right now.....I did a search for fwcutter....nothing found
[21:22] <mikel> 8 hours from now god read the bold print on the website
[21:22] <michaelfavia> fserve, tomorrow
[21:23] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then it sounds like the fw isnt 64bit compat
[21:23] <mikel> what is unknow hardware address type 801?
[21:23] <michaelfavia> keithclark, you can run 32bit and use your vendors firmware
[21:23] <keithclark> michaelfavia, ah, got it
[21:23] <fserve> michaelfavia, you know the time of the release?
[21:24] <nandersson> Hi, what is this BBC-thing about? is it UK-only?
[21:24] <fserve> will be party on #ubuntu like 8.04 release? : )
[21:24] <michaelfavia> fserve, nope #ubuntu-release-party
[21:24] <nandersson> I'm writing a news story for Swedish TechWorld Open Source and I would like to know if Swedish users will be able to watch BBC-content
[21:24] <keithclark> michaelfavia, hopefully the next version of ubuntu will address this issue
[21:24] <frybye> nandersson: in totem - edit - plugins - add bbc plugin...
[21:24] <Nikke> where can i find kubuntu rc?
[21:25] <michaelfavia> Nikke, torrent or iso?
[21:25] <Nikke> iso
[21:25] <nandersson> frybye, Hrmm... I see BBC content viewer is already marked
[21:25] <swimmer1> hello
[21:25] <nandersson> byt "configure" is greyed out
[21:25] <nandersson> frybye, but "configure" is grey
[21:26] <frybye> nandersson: it is mostly audio- podcasts.. what should be video is not working right here in Germany...
[21:26] <michaelfavia> Nikke, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc
[21:26] <Nikke> thanks michaelfavia
[21:26] <nandersson> frybye, in spain neither so it seems
[21:26] <michaelfavia> Nikke, but the real release is tomorrow.
[21:26] <swimmer1> I'm trying to upgrade to RC with the cd -- I downloaded it and mounted the image to /media/cdrom0, now what?
[21:26] <michaelfavia> as in under 24hrs
[21:26] <michaelfavia> if you want to wait
[21:26] <nandersson> frybye, (I write for Swedish mag but live in Spain)
[21:27] <frybye> nandersson: I am not at all supprised - when trying to access broadband content (video) by any means outside the uk ti does not work cos one is not paying the liscence fee...
[21:27] <frybye> perhaps if one subscribes to realplayer plus or whatever...
[21:27] <nandersson> frybye, yeah, I thought so. I don't understand then why Canonical brag about it in their press release
[21:27] <frybye> not sure if that works in linux though...
[21:27] <ljuwaidah> just askin', kubuntu's home page will be updated when 8.10 is released, right?
[21:27] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I don't understand Ubuntus direction though.  Would you not want to direct your staff to develop a driver for Broadcom cards instead of pretty stuff?  Have the staff reverse engineer the card and create a real driver for it?  More bang for the buck, no?
[21:28] <frybye> nandersson: hundreds of files do work!!!
[21:28] <SilentK> If I install 8.1 beta now, and tomorrow I use the upgrade manager.. I'm using the official 8.1 release right?]
[21:28] <frybye> just the "news(6)" dosent seem to..
[21:28] <SilentK> Or do people with the beta need to download the new cd tomorrow?
[21:28] <Nikke> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10
[21:28] <Nikke> that url doesnt work
[21:28] <swimmer1> is it possible to upgrade from the live cd?
[21:28] <frybye> there i get always the same old video-clip of the entrance to the channel tunnel...
[21:28] <nandersson> frybye, Ok, I get "cannot connect to server" when choosing BBC
[21:28] <frybye> the bbc plugin does work!!!!
[21:28] <michaelfavia> keithclark, it is a matter of priorities. cant support all hardware vendors and those that dont want to play are last in line
[21:29] <frybye> just a few individual files dont work right apparently...
[21:29] <michaelfavia> why do the work for them
[21:29] <louise> hello guys
[21:29] <michaelfavia> it rewards their behavior
[21:29] <keithclark> michaelfavia, because you want the users.
[21:29] <louise> my touchpad is insane
[21:29] <keithclark> michaelfavia, they do not want you
[21:29] <nandersson> frybye, Ok, I cross my thingers then :-)
[21:29] <louise> can someone help me fix it?
[21:29] <nandersson> frybye, Thanks for your help :)
[21:29] <Nikke> michaelfavia, doest this url work for you: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10
[21:29] <frybye> nandersson: not sure why that is - 95% of the bbc-plugin content works here..
[21:30] <michaelfavia> Nikke, if timeout then the 8.10 blackout is getting started :)
[21:30] <frybye> just the video stuff not - 95% is audio apparently...
[21:30] <michaelfavia> loads get pretty high around release day
[21:30] <Nikke> :)
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> oookay, having the gnome-session problem again (taking way more processor time than it should
[21:30] <swimmer1> is it possible to upgrade via the cd?
[21:30] <SilentK> Can anyone answer me? If I get 8.1 beta today, would I need to re-install tomorrow when 8.1 is released to get the latest version?
[21:30] <frybye> who can help me install a usb-fax-modem???
[21:30] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then maybe the laptop manufacturer should pick a differenc chip provider. becasue the laptop maker wants you too.
[21:30] <nandersson> frybye, strange. I'm in spain though - might have something to do with it
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentK: no, update and you'll have the latest versions and be up to date
[21:30] <frybye> silentK - apparently not...
[21:30] <keithclark> michaelfavia, why, xp works
[21:31] <SilentK> Good thanks.
[21:31] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then why are you here?
[21:31] <SilentK> Are wireless cards working fine in 8.1?
[21:31] <louise> Helloooo nurse
[21:31] <frybye> nandersson: you running a non-spanish os in spain...?
[21:31] <swimmer1> hey, I downloaded the RC disk image. Can I update my computer with it somehow
[21:31] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I don't think you get my meaning........I don't mean harm here.
[21:31] <michaelfavia> SilentK, depends like always on which ...
[21:31] <bsnider> SilentK, there's a loaded question
[21:32] <nandersson> frybye, of course. I run the English version
[21:32] <SilentK> Well can anyone help me find out if mine will work?
[21:32] <michaelfavia> keithclark, none inferred
[21:32] <frybye> nandersson: perhaps that is the problem....
[21:32] <louise> my touchpad is carazy
[21:32] <bsnider> SilentK, what's yours?
[21:32] <michaelfavia> SilentK, which chipset?
[21:32] <frybye> I am in Germany with a German installaton...
[21:32] <louise> medic!
[21:32] <SilentK> I have to look..
[21:32] <nandersson> frybye, well, that's just the language
[21:32] <keithclark> michaelfavia, If I were a software developer for a Hemi engine, I would not expect Dodge to modify their engine to except my software
[21:32] <michaelfavia> SilentK, are you runing linux now?
[21:32] <SilentK> I have a laptop hp pavilion dv8110us
[21:32] <DJayC> Is there a way to configure VPN for only a range of IP addresses?  The old Network Manager had that support but it doesn't seem that the new one does
[21:32] <michaelfavia> or do you have the live cd?
[21:32] <louise> MEEEEDIIIIC
[21:32] <KDesk> I have performans problems in Intrepid with intel, has somebody this too?
[21:32] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I would modify my software to work with the Hemi
[21:33] <SilentK> I'm on a desktop with xp right now. I do have ubuntu 7.04 on my laptop
[21:33] <frybye> nandersson: if you use the uk-english it perhaps tries to access the UK only stuff and then gets nothing cos of the ip etc...
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, got some serious issues here
[21:33] <michaelfavia> SilentK, run "lspci" in linux then
[21:33] <michaelfavia> and see what the chipset is.
[21:33] <keithclark> michaelfavia, regardless of what Dodge thought
[21:33] <michaelfavia> might be intel, or broadcom, or TI
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> gnome-session is taking a full core, and i can't launch any apps because they're stuck on unix_stream_data_wait
[21:33] <jin_> is 1.10 out already? :\
[21:33] <nandersson> frybye, Well, if that's the case it should be considered a bug. Ppl are traveling around these days.
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> strace -p <gnome-session-pid> is throwing a whole lot of too many files open issue
[21:34] <SilentK> broadcom bcm4318
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> issues*
[21:34] <nandersson> frybye, I hate to get Google in spanish - and when I change settings it doesn't stick
[21:34] <powerking> kk, I'm trying to get the wireless on this laptop to work in the 8.10 Live CD to make sure I can get it working before I install Ubuntu. Please Advise.
[21:34] <jin_> can you disable the tab feature in gnome?
[21:34] <SilentK> Also, I have not gotten it working on 7.04
[21:34] <michaelfavia> keithclark, i dont get youranalogy but it doesnt matter. If dodge wants to be part of the "modding scene" theyll design more appropriate and adaptable engines.
[21:34] <michaelfavia> otherwise they lose the market to the automaaker that does.
[21:34] <SilentK> rev 02 btw
[21:34] <michaelfavia> that is what you see here.
[21:34] <mikel> nobody loves me
[21:34] <frybye> nandersson: it is not just a tech problem - it is probably the thing about non-payment of liscence fee and so on...
[21:34] <keithclark> michaelfavia, but it earns zero revenue
[21:34] <SilentK> broadcom bcm4318 rev02
[21:35] <Daisuke_Ido> having to restart gnome every time this happens is not a feasible solution
[21:35] <michaelfavia> SilentK, 32 bit?
[21:35] <nandersson> frybye, yeah, probably. I tried Zatto before. Nice solution but now they want money
[21:35] <frybye> nandersson: by all means report it as a bug....
[21:35] <SilentK> Yes
[21:35] <nandersson> frybye, Zattoo
[21:35] <michaelfavia> then install the firmware cutter and youre set
[21:35] <frybye> zatto is free but dont work in ibex...
[21:35] <michaelfavia> SilentK, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/b43-fwcutter
[21:35] <frybye> at least it is free in germany.. i have it on 8.04 - works fine...
[21:35] <michaelfavia> available in your repo
[21:36] <keithclark> michaelfavia, I still never found the fwcutter in the repo
[21:36] <michaelfavia> you know how to install debs, etc right?
[21:36] <SilentK> Even though i havent installed 8.1 yet?
[21:36] <michaelfavia> keithclark, then you arent looking in the right place;)
[21:36] <keithclark> ?
[21:36] <michaelfavia> SilentK, no
[21:36] <frybye> nandersson: since when does zattoo want cash???
[21:36] <michaelfavia> you should install 8.10
[21:36] <keithclark> michaelfavia, synaptic in 8.10?
[21:36] <michaelfavia> then install the fwcutter and splice in the fw
[21:36] <nandersson> frybye, since a couple of months back - could be in spain
[21:37] <michaelfavia> keithclark, yes in a 32 bit system
[21:37] <keithclark> oh yeah, sorry
[21:37] <nandersson> frybye, they want you to send them two SMS. Total cost 1-2 euro
[21:37] <frybye> nandersson: perhaps - i have used it here a few days ago....free...
[21:37] <keithclark> michaelfavia, ignore
[21:37] <nandersson> frybye, I think they try it on one market and see what happens
[21:37] <mikel> anyone wanna help me install wicd?
[21:37] <frybye> i just registered on thier zattoo.de website...
[21:37] <nandersson> frybye, if its profitable or not - or if ppl stop using their service
[21:38] <frybye> they have advertizing now while waiting for the channel to load afaik...
[21:38] <fserve> ubuntu intrepid dont have MIPS Simulator (SPIM) in repositories :(
[21:38] <swimmer1> is it possible to upgrade using the live cd, or is it still alternate only?
[21:38] <Daisuke_Ido> no one knows, time to restart gnome :\
[21:39] <frybye> try again: is there a usb-fax/modem guru in the house???
[21:39] <nandersson> frybye, in spain I get the message "One coffee per month to use Zattoo. Dear User. Due to the rising number...bla.bla.bla"
[21:39] <frybye> nandersson: pay it for christ sake... heheheh
[21:40] <nandersson> frybye, haha, I won't as I'm going to use 3g full time and it costs a fortune in spain. 60 euro for 1GB downloaded data
[21:40] <frybye> why not adsl??
[21:40] <pen> what packages do I need to install to make skype sound work again?
[21:40] <pen> I frogot
[21:40] <pen> I remember I install some packages in hardy then skype works with sound
[21:41] <keithclark> nandersson, off topic....
[21:41] <frybye> keithclark: your right of course...
[21:41] <nandersson> :-)
[21:41] <pen> in intrepid of course
[21:42] <keithclark> frybye, just an observation
[21:42] <frybye> my On Topic question - who will help me install a usb-fax-modem in intrepid???
[21:42] <pen> anyone  know?
[21:42] <keithclark> frybye, Can
[21:42] <keithclark> 't help here.....high speed connection
[21:42] <Daisuke-Ido> yeah, this is bullexcrement :\
[21:42] <Daisuke-Ido> network manager is supposed to make connecting to a network easier, not more of a pain in the rear
[21:43] <nandersson> frybye, another anoying thing. When I try to watch Youtube through Movie Player I can't as I dont have the codecs. They want to sell them to me
[21:43] <swimmer1> ok usually in irc if no one answers no one knows, but I'm pretty sure y'all know this one. I was told it was possible to update my system from the regular desktop cd (8.10rc) which I torrented. Is this possible? thanks
[21:43] <frybye> keith - the usb-modem?
[21:43] <Daisuke-Ido> no, it is not possible
[21:43] <nandersson> frybye, and I have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[21:43] <Daisuke-Ido> you would have to use the *alternate* cd
[21:43] <Daisuke-Ido> rather than the desktop cd
[21:43] <keithclark> frybye, nope, ethernet
[21:43] <frybye> nanderson - there are repos with working codecs - not legal in every jurisdiction - accessable all over though...
[21:44] <swimmer1> Daisuke-Ido: that's what I thought too, but someone told me it changed this year. I guess I'll just have to download some more :)
[21:44] <Daisuke-Ido> it may have, but i haven't seen any evidence of it
[21:44] <nandersson> frybye, *sigh* so I have to do the same thing I had to do with DVD - i.e find a unsupported repository and download it from there
[21:44] <Daisuke-Ido> worth a shot
[21:44] <frybye> it is a fax modem I need to install - not adsl etc... fax-analoge modem...
[21:44] <Daisuke-Ido> nandersson: medibuntu.
[21:44] <pen> what packages do I need to make skype sound work?
[21:44] <keithclark> frybye, sorry, I've not done that for years.
[21:44] <nandersson> Daisuke-Ido, Ok, so I use their repositories?
[21:44] <jin_> I don;t want to wait any more. Gonna install  8.10 rc1 :(
[21:44] <frybye> nandersson: you just need flash-nonfree package...
[21:45] <frybye> after activating the universal repos...
[21:45] <Daisuke-Ido> nand: that's your best bet
[21:45] <frybye> afaikremember
[21:45] <swimmer1> Daisuke-Ido: in that case, how would I test it?
[21:46] <nandersson> frybye, I have flashplugin-nofree <IP_ADDRESS> and it doesn't cut it
[21:46] <Daisuke-Ido> swimmer1: put in the disc and see if it asks you to upgrade :)
[21:46] <frybye> keithclark: pleanty of need to send faxes here - original documentation with hand-signatures etc... govt offices with no email published etc etc..
[21:46] <swimmer1> Daisuke-Ido: I mounted the iso and it didn't do anything -- guess alternate is the way to go
[21:47] <keithclark> frybye, I understand the need!  I just have no solution, sorry about that.
[21:47] <frybye> nandersson: you have mplayer and the mplayer-mozilla plugin...?
[21:47] <Daisuke-Ido> okay, is there a reason network manager HATES me?  no network information is ever stored, regardless of how many times i change it.  i want a specific static ip, and i cannot keep that for the life of me.  it keeps defaulting to auto eth0 (dhcp) every friggin time
[21:47] <frybye> keithclark: no prob... a couple of hours ago i got really flamed - "why use fax - email is better etc etc.."
[21:48] <pen> nvm
[21:48] <frybye> well - i am outa here.. getting a bit late and work tomorrow - nite all...
[21:48] <pen> I solved it
[21:48] <pen> just change the defult to pulse
[21:49] <pen> hooray!!!
[21:49] <nandersson> frybye, I didn't had mplayer-mozilla-plugin. Trying...
[21:49] <frybye> nandersson: i will wait a moment to hear what you say.. but to think of it - that should be a flash player for you tube .. hmmmm
[21:50] <what_the_deuce> Hey there, does anyone know what is happening with webcam support for syntek cams (stk11xx)?
[21:50] <frybye> still I seem to remember that I fixed the prob that way...
[21:50] <what_the_deuce> This support was in Hardy but is lacking in Intrepid
[21:51] <Daisuke-Ido> so every time i end up connecting to irc twice and waiting for my real nick to time out
[21:51] <nandersson> frybye, well. No luck :-( I get "Search for suitable codec". It works fine in Firefox though but not in Movie Player
[21:51] <what_the_deuce> If anything, can someone help me install the driver manually?
[21:51] <keithclark> frybye, not a matter of flaming....just older technology.
[21:51] <nandersson> frybye, I get sound but no video
[21:52] <frybye> keith - not you are flameing - the ppl who had a go at me for asking about fax at all etc...
[21:52] <frybye> electricity is an ancient tech now but we still use it every day.. heheh
[21:53] <frybye> they are even talking of going back to dc power distribution hehehe
[21:54] <frybye> nandersson: then it should autom. search and find a codec or...?
[21:54] <frybye> anyhow.. i MUST be off now - bye nandersson - bye all ...
[21:54] <nandersson> frybye, They fire up the webpage and want to sell me the Fluendo codec for 22 pounds
[21:57] <KDesk> I have performans problems in Intrepid with intel, has somebody this problems too?
[21:58] <Daisuke-Ido> you're going to have to be a little more specific than that
[21:58] <Daisuke-Ido> i have performance problems with nvidia, that doesn't mean nvidia's actually related to the issues
[21:59] <clarezoe> hi i just upgrade to 8,10, now I cannot get in the desktop anymore
[21:59] <clarezoe>  the screen and cursor keep flashing
[22:00] <what_the_deuce> Can anyone here help me install the webcam driver for a syntek chipset cam? (stk11xx)
[22:00] <michaelfavia> clarezoe, nvidia or ait?
[22:00] <clarezoe> michaelfavia, intel
[22:01] <clarezoe> michaelfavia, the desktop background displays, but not others. if I restart X, the gdm window acts the same
[22:03] <jojoman02> KDesk: i have problem also
[22:03] <Daisuke-Ido> well, it's not just me that networkmanager hates
[22:03] <KDesk> jojoman02: Hi, I have an intel 865G, what car do you have?
[22:03] <Daisuke-Ido> supposedly the fix was released, apparently i never got the memo
[22:03] <Nikke> people can update their 8.04 versions, where can i find isos?
[22:03] <jojoman02> KDesk: let me check, one second...]
[22:09] <KDesk> jojoman02: I will come back in 2 min. I have to restart my X to see if with XAA aceleration it is better.
[22:10] <powerking> so I'm trying to get wireless to work; its found the device, got the Atheros Driver isntalled. I just dont know how to enable the device and make it sing and dance.
[22:16] <Rabenvogel> hello
[22:16] <KDesk> jojoman02: I am back. And the performance is nor faster with XAA aceleration! Try you too changeing the:  Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"  in xorg.conf in the "Device" Section.
[22:16] <Rabenvogel> Short Question: Will Ubuntu 8.10 release with a new wallpaper or will the use the wallpaper of the RC? => http://www.loaditup.de/files/285571.jpg
[22:16] <maelcum> hi. what's up with fglrx? there is no version for xorg 7.4 and intrepid uses 7.4, right?
[22:17] <maelcum> so, can i expect my video chip (amd 780g) to continue working?
[22:18] <maelcum> i have a crt screen so i can't use e.g. vesa because it makes my eyes bleed
[22:18] <Alan> Are there any major reasons not to upgrade to the RC at the moment apart from the nvidia/ati proprietary drivers thing?
[22:19] <Alan> (proprietary drivers don't really work for my card anyway)
[22:19] <clarezoe> michaelfavia, are you still there?
[22:19] <ConstantineXVI> Alan: well, the RC version isn't being downloaded from a server that's melted to the floor, if you call that a minus
[22:19] <danbh_intrepid> Alan: the major ones should be listed in the release notes
[22:20] <Alan> danbh_intrepid, right, and the release notes actually list all the important problems?
[22:20] <clarezoe> please help!
[22:20] <Alan> Doesn't look like there's anything that'll affect me there..
[22:21] <danbh_intrepid> Alan: well, thats the hope
[22:21] <maelcum> there is no mention of ati whatsoever in the release notes. huh? afaics xorg 7.4 and fglrx are not compatible...
[22:22] <danbh_intrepid> maelcum: I thought that was fixed
[22:22] <Alan> heh, sorry, i just assumed that if the nvidia drivers weren't up to scratch, getting 3d acceleration on ati would be broken too :P
[22:22] <danbh_intrepid> the latest nvidia drivers work.  The legacy ones dont
[22:23] <maelcum> danbh_intrepid: well, it looks so because fglrx is among the packages but i still wonder how that can be...
[22:23] <danbh_intrepid> maelcum: well, its open source.  I suspect that someone just fixed them.  I dunno
[22:24] <maelcum> well, it's *not* open source unfortunately.
[22:25] <KDesk> AFAIK intrepid has a fglrx pakcage in the repos that IS compatible with xserver 1.5. Also the opensuse drivers work well (radeon, radeonhd)
[22:25] <maelcum> well, i'll just see what happens :)
[22:27] <jojoman02> KDesk: thanks, i will try that
[22:27] <maelcum> KDesk: the 780g chipset (~ radeon hd 3200) is supported by open source drivers?
[22:27] <maelcum> the release notes of x.org 7.4 don't mention that generation iirc.
[22:28] <KDesk> maelcum: sorry I don't know. Maybe it is partialy.
[22:28] <maelcum> yeah ok, i can look that up myself
[22:29] <KDesk> maelcum: I think it supports take a look http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_780g_linux&num=6
[22:29] <DJTachyon_> oh looks like android built
[22:30] <powerking> can anyone suggest some good wireless network managers?
[22:30] <powerking> my device is found, but its just not....on and in use.
[22:30] <powerking> and I have no idea how to enable/use it
[22:32] <maelcum> KDesk: ah thanks. so one driver or the other will very likely work.
[22:33] <maelcum> 1439 packages to get ^^
[22:38] <d3xter> can anyone help me? i can't open my bookmarks in the place-menu
[22:41] <jin_> any one running 8.10 rc1?
[22:42] <mercutio22> jin_> I guess I am
[22:43] <ldiamond> Is 8.10 going to be available at like 0h00 UTC or anytime during the day?
[22:43] <jin_> mercutio22, I think ther eis a bug or a "new" feature which I hate
[22:43] <jin_> mercutio22, clcik on the volume ison on your panel
[22:43] <mercutio22> jin_> which is it?
[22:43] <Rods_Tiger> when is 9.0 out?
[22:43] <jin_> change the volume and then click on the desktop
[22:43] <ldiamond> after 8.10
[22:43] <jin_> does the volume var disappear by itself?
[22:44] <Rods_Tiger> ten past eight in the morning?
[22:44] <mercutio22> jin_> yeah, it doesn't go away
[22:44] <jin_> mercutio22, it does on Ubuntu 8.04 :(
[22:44] <jin_> this is very annoying..
[22:44] <mercutio22> jin_> yep, it is
[22:44] <jin_> what is wrong with the gnome team?
[22:45] <mercutio22> jin_> maybe no one reported this as a bug
[22:45] <jin_> thousands have tested the beta and no one noticed this? :(
[22:45] <jin_> now it is too late
[22:46] <mercutio22> jin_> it is possible
[22:47] <jin_> this is sad :(
[22:48] <WelshDragon> jin_, it's possible it purposely does that.
[22:48] <jin_> mercutio22, any workaround for this? maybe another volume applet ?
[22:48] <jin_> WelshDragon, I prefer the old way
[22:50] <jin_> mercutio22, are you going to report this bug?
[22:51] <jin_> a bug just before release. :S
[22:51] <michaelfavia> jin this can be fixed instream even after release if anyone cares to do it.
[22:53] <d3xter> bookmarks in the place-menu doesn't work for me, but they do in nautilus?!
[22:53] <jin_> so far I like Intrepid :)
[22:54] <Daisuke_Ido> why not just wheel over the applet
[22:54] <Daisuke_Ido> quicker way to change volume anyhow :)
[22:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm more concerned with the still annoying networkmanager-not-respecting-static-settings crap
[22:55] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, is it trying to force dhcp?
[22:56] <Daisuke_Ido> michaelfavia: yep
[22:56] <michaelfavia> boo.
[22:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and the devices in my house connect to this machine and expect it to have a specific IP
[22:57] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, your router cant do a dhcp reservation?
[22:57] <michaelfavia> which pairs the MAC address to the ip and always gives it the same one.
[22:57] <Daisuke_Ido> michaelfavia: doubtful, as it's the cheap POS i got from verizon...
[22:57] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, youd be surprized.
[22:57] <michaelfavia> those verizon router work decently well.
[22:58] <joshuajtl> hey, anyonw happen to know what time EST ubuntu release is?
[22:58] <jameswf> are we there yet?
[22:58] <Daisuke_Ido> westell
[22:58] <jameswf> are we there yet?
[22:58] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, if you know how to enable remote management id be happy to look for you just change the password to somethin you dont mind sharing
[22:58] <michaelfavia> otherwise good luck :)
[22:59] <michaelfavia> Daisuke_Ido, under the "advanced" tab up top it looks like
[23:00] <michaelfavia> IP address distrobution
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> joshuajtl: its in 2 hours
[23:00] <jin_> nice, gnome now have picture preview in the browse dialog :)
[23:00] <michaelfavia> jim- yeah some time coming :)
[23:01] <michaelfavia> danbh_intrepid, 2 hours really?
[23:01] <michaelfavia> i didnt know that
[23:01]  * michaelfavia waits then
[23:01] <Daisuke_Ido> michaelfavia: what model is that. because i'm not seeing anything close to that
[23:01] <danbh_intrepid> michaelfavia: sorry, its at least 2 hours
[23:01] <michaelfavia> dunno; just look for things like ip address, LAN, reservation, etc
[23:02] <michaelfavia> danbh_intrepid, ah. yes.
[23:02] <danbh_intrepid> michaelfavia: you will get a more accurate answer in #ubuntu-release-party        You should ask there
[23:02]  * jin_ hopes the nvidia driver is better
[23:03] <mattva01> any idea why a system running intrepid-64 would freeze as it goes into gnome(seems to happen right as it connects to network)
[23:05] <joshual> did anyone answer my question about ubuntu release?
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> static host assignment?
[23:05] <joshual> me?
[23:05] <jin_> why does Ubuntu include the latest vlc in the repo? the interface is ugly. the older version integrates better in gnome
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> shoot, that's for DNS
[23:06] <geremy_> all vlc is ugly, no idea why
[23:06] <chad> function over form i suppose
[23:06] <td123> geremy_: you mean the gui?
[23:06] <jin_> I did not have any problem with the older version :\
[23:06] <td123> geremy_: its exactly what chad says...
[23:07] <geremy_> td123: yeah- personal preference and all that, but I've never liked the gui on it
[23:07] <td123> geremy_: I think function is Way more important then looks..
[23:08] <geremy_> td123: granted. I like vlc- i just happen to think its ugly.
[23:08] <td123> geremy_: oh.. well in that case, its your opinion :D
[23:09] <geremy_> td123: trying to start a media player flamewar lol?
[23:09] <geremy_> MPLAYERRRRRRR!
[23:09] <td123> geremy_: ya, I thought that was what you were trying to do lol
[23:09] <geremy_> td123: it plays media. its not even in my top thousand things to flame about.
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to see what this does
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> wish me luck
[23:10] <geremy_> sounds ominous
[23:10] <geremy_> maybe I shouldnt....
[23:10] <td123> geremy_: believe me, you would be surprised the kind of flame wars that could erupt :P
[23:10] <chad> anyone have cairo-dock install or would anyone happen to know why i cant setup a launcher to start nautilus --browser --no-desktop
[23:10] <geremy_> td123: I was there for the nano vs pico war of 2001
[23:11] <td123> geremy_: vim won of course :P
[23:11] <beautifulsnow> Any of you lovely people know what argument I must give apt-get or aptitude to make it install only required packages (not recomended ones please!) when installing an app?
[23:11] <geremy_> td123: doesn't it always?
[23:11] <td123> geremy_: :D
[23:11] <Prez00> hello
[23:11] <Prez00> how beta is the beta?
[23:11] <geremy_> pretty rc right now
[23:12] <td123> beautifulsnow: it installs only required by default
[23:12] <chad> Prez00: it goes live in a few hours .. lol so its pretty close to done
[23:12] <ltmon> Hi all.  Since upgrading to the intrepid release candidate today I'm having a serious networking problem.  My eth0 ("82566MM Gigabit Network Connection") is constantly "NO-CARRIER", even though I'm plugged into a connection that is known good (i.e. other computers can use it just fine).  Tried a few connections as well.  Any idea how to debug this, as I'm stumped?
[23:12] <beautifulsnow> Oh really! :P Thanks td123  , I feel silly now :P
[23:12] <td123> chad: what goes live in a few hourse?
[23:12] <geremy_> 'course, I still haven't gotten a live burn...
[23:12] <chad> 8.10 moves to released
[23:13] <td123> beautifulsnow: don't feel silly, they changed it about a week ago
[23:13] <beautifulsnow> Bless them.
[23:13] <td123> chad: you mean the iso will be available for download?
[23:14] <chad> td123: the release date is tomorrow  ... but the RC iso is already available
[23:14] <Prez00> chad: i figured... :-)
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> ehh, so far so good
[23:14] <chad> Prez00: not saying there are not issues ... cause there are, but it works pretty well
[23:15] <Prez00> chad, what u running it on?
[23:15] <chad> xps m1710
[23:16] <geremy_> hey, can yall do me a favor and see if you can make it to screenlets.org
[23:16] <Prez00> i'm at 8.04, command to upgrade to RC?
[23:16] <td123> chad: hmm, did canonical get more bandwidth / servers this time ?!? :P for 8.04, the servers were dling @ 100kbps about 3 days after the release lol
[23:17] <td123> uling*
[23:17] <chad> td123: always use torrents .. its very fast the more people that are downloading
[23:17] <Aranel> when will the intrepid release?
[23:17] <td123> chad: torrents were also bogged down :D
[23:18] <td123> chad: torrents were my first choice, but mirrors proved to be faster :P
[23:18] <d3xter> upgrade to 8.10 sucks :-/
[23:18] <td123> d3xter: just fresh install it..
[23:18] <geremy_> wish I could get a burn going
[23:18] <Aranel> d3xter: why? :=)
[23:19] <d3xter> Aranel: many bugs appear, like the bookmarks in the place-menu doesnt work, the panel-background image doesnt exist ....
[23:20] <d3xter> td132: yes I'm going to
[23:20] <mado> i'm here mxiia :)
[23:21] <mado> oy ... there's a party? :)
[23:21] <mxiia> mado, what are processor are you using? amd64? ix86?
[23:21] <Aranel> d3xter: be optimist, they will fix them all soon :)
[23:22] <d3xter> Aranel: hopefully :)
[23:22] <mado> erm ... intel core 2 duo t7??? ... :) ... i guess that's a ix86 :)
[23:22] <mado> why do you ask?
[23:23] <mado> mxiia, ... erm ... intel core 2 duo t7??? ... :) ... i guess that's a ix86 :) ... why do you ask=
[23:23] <mado> ?
[23:23] <td123> mado: core 2 duo will work with x86 and 64...
[23:24] <td123> mado: amd64 just means 64bit compatible
[23:24] <torch_> Anyone know if the ati fglrx drivers for Ibex are considered "finished"? Running WoW under wine ( 1.17 ) on an Ati X1900XT card and performance is much worse than in WinXP...
[23:24] <mado> uhuu ... ok ... well ... i'd use ix86 ... :) ... somebody told me this would be safer :)
[23:24] <maelcum> amd invented amd64 and intel tried to hide the fact that they copied it with some lame marketing, so it's fair to call it amd64 :)
[23:24] <mxiia> mado, because I am running amd64 and had some problems with the latest linux kernel, so i had to run a previous kernel. So i thought your problem was related to the processor
[23:24] <td123> mado: oh ya, I would go with x86 also
[23:24] <td123> :P
[23:24] <mado> mxiia, uhuu ... i see
[23:25] <mado> td123, :))
[23:25] <mxiia> td123. yes. most computers are intel, i built this one my self, so it is amd
[23:25] <mado> and erm ... you suggest i should wait about a day and then download 8.10 ...
[23:25] <mattva01> exit
[23:25] <mado> i hope there won't be the slowliness-problem again ... it took about a minute just to mark a folder
[23:25] <td123> mado: exactly
[23:26] <mxiia> mado, yes, wait for the official release which will be Oct 31st for you because you are in a different time zone.
[23:26] <mado> :)
[23:26] <beautifulsnow> td123, are you sure I don't need to add an argument to apt-get to install only dependencies? :^_^;  It's still giving me the recomendations
[23:26] <td123> mxiia: what time is it supposed to be released?
[23:26] <maelcum> the download servers are still very fast which they might not be anymore once the release is official...
[23:27] <td123> beautifulsnow: I think so.. hmm. let me check ok?
[23:27] <mado> it'll be ok ... i don't have much time today or tomorow afternoon ... so i will do that in the evening or early in the night
[23:27] <mxiia> td123, I'm not entirely sure of the exact time, I know that mado is in austria and if you /ctcp time him you can see it is already the 30th
[23:27] <beautifulsnow> td123,  thank you kindly ^_~
[23:28] <mado> huh?
[23:28] <mado> funny :)
[23:28] <mxiia> /ctcp time mxiia
[23:28] <smil3y> anyone have experience using backport modules for intrepid, will legacy nvidia cards work with the backport proprietary driver?
[23:29] <tdoggette> Is the present RC the final release?
[23:29] <mxiia> would do it, You;d see it is Wed. Oct 29th for me, around 7:30 PM
[23:29] <mado> nah ... didn't work :)
[23:29] <mxiia> tdoggette, no, the final release is tomorrow
[23:29] <mxiia> /ctcp mxiia time
[23:29] <mxiia> sorry
[23:29] <mado> uhuu ... nice thing :)
[23:29] <mado> thank you for showing me that
[23:30] <tdoggette> mxiia: Thanks.
[23:30] <mxiia> no problem, mado, your welcome ,tdoggette
[23:30] <mado> :)
[23:31] <mado> oy ... one more thing ... -> http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/84403-1.jpg
[23:31] <mado> can you tell me what kind of weather-tool this is?
[23:31] <Sylphid> hello, im having an odd issue im wondering if someone could verify that it is either a bug or my machine ..... i had installed eagle prior to upgrading to intrepid now after running eagle or attempting to reinstall my Xserver is restarted
[23:31] <mado> it looks quite nice
[23:31] <maelcum> mado: lcdweather
[23:32] <mado> thank you maelcum
[23:32] <mado> now all i have to do is find out more about it :)
[23:32] <maelcum> i don't know the package name though...
[23:33] <mado> well ... i guess this thing is something one can only use with kde4 ...
[23:33] <td123> beautifulsnow: ok, try installing the package with the command "sudo aptitude install --without-recommends --without-suggests package-name"
[23:33] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, you here, sir?
[23:33] <mado> but i will look for it anyway
[23:33] <maelcum> it is a plasma applet so it definitely only works with kde 4
[23:34] <beautifulsnow> td123,  Haha, that will be so easy to remember ^_^  *gives you gold medal* I was looking on some apt-get manual I found online but didn't see that, thank you
[23:34] <td123> beautifulsnow: I can't find the article were it said they changed it :/ maybe it was for something else
[23:34] <mado> well ... when i installed kde4 for a test-run some days ago i couldn't find it
[23:35] <beautifulsnow> td123,  yeah, didn't work.,  the option is not recognize. Oh well, back to goodle  :P
[23:35] <beautifulsnow> *google
[23:36] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: a little
[23:36] <maelcum> mado: afaik it's still in the playground part of the kde source repository which means that it's probably not in the packages installed by default.
[23:36] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: whats up?
[23:37] <td123> beautifulsnow: what version of ubuntu do you have?
[23:37] <beautifulsnow> td123, I'm on intrepid minimal install, would like to do a GUI install. The guides I find online seem to be outdated.
[23:38] <mado> thanks maelcum ... i will check that in about two days when 8.10 is out
[23:38] <danbh_intrepid> beautifulsnow: you mean like: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[23:38] <td123> beautifulsnow: hmm maybe you're typing it wrong.. type in sudo aptitude --without-<double tab>
[23:39] <danbh_intrepid> beautifulsnow: yeah, you should probably use aptitude
[23:40] <alteregoa> can someone weed me?
[23:40] <alteregoa> i got a problem
[23:40] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, so they're going to be including a patched ath9k in a future backports package to replace the one in the kernel
[23:40] <alteregoa> negative priority = less?
[23:41] <alteregoa> -19 = very low?
[23:41] <maelcum> alteregoa: the other way around
[23:41] <beautifulsnow> danbh,td123  tty tab-complete seems not to work all the time :P Sometimes it completes sometimes it doesnt. I'm never too good with aptitude, but, hey, I'll go ahead and do install with recommends ^^
[23:41] <alteregoa> strange
[23:41] <alteregoa> eh? other way around, negative priority is more time slice
[23:42] <Sylphid> alteregoa, its a nice level
[23:42] <alteregoa> haha, someone from the opposide earth visited us in the past
[23:42] <maelcum> this is pretty standard in computer science, lower number means higher priority. if you sort a list by number the smallest numbers will come first. i guess that this is the reason.
[23:42] <alteregoa> ok
[23:42] <alteregoa> i agree
[23:42] <Sylphid> alteregoa, negative means it doesnt want to play with others
[23:42] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: I thought Tim was done with ath9k.  He was going to add stuff to that ath5k drivers.  Am I wrong?
[23:42] <bsnider> wrong
[23:43] <alteregoa> ok i entered -10
[23:43] <bsnider> someone came up with a patch that solves all of the connection issues and so they're including it
[23:43] <alteregoa> i just need aprox 1/3 more priority for a specific process
[23:43] <alteregoa> i hope the priority is linear, not exponential
[23:44] <tdoggette> Does the Ibex installer play nice with Vista partitions?
[23:44] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: rocking, where did you see this?
[23:45] <maelcum> afaik the nice levels are actually exponential (and this is mostly a good thing).
[23:45] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, starting under your bug and then going from there to the ath9k bug site
[23:46] <maelcum> alteregoa: 1/3 sounds pretty random. maybe you want it to get a certain cpu share, no matter what? in that case you can also enable real-time scheduling for the process.
[23:47] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: I don't see what you are talking about.  bug 259157   right?
[23:48] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I am having some major issues.  I just bought a new flat-screen LCD monitor that was used and tested before I bought it.  It was fine when hooked up to a Windows computer.  Now, I'm having issues with the red channel in Ubuntu.  When I go to the settings on the monitor, though, red comes out just fine, leading me to think it's a software problem.  Can anyone help me?
[23:48] <maelcum> high, invalid :O
[23:48] <bsnider> langasek has a post in that bug about a duplicate. you then go to the other bug, and there's all kinds of talk about it
[23:48] <jdsbluedevl> or do you think it could be the VGA connector that's the issue?
[23:49] <obocaman> hi
[23:49] <jdsbluedevl> monitor is a Dell 1703FP
[23:50] <jdsbluedevl> and yes, I'm using Intrepid
[23:50] <bsnider> bug 284354
[23:50] <obocaman> i have a problem with the adsl router zyxel prestige 643, wih ubuntu 8.10 i dont have internet , and the router works fine with other computers
[23:50] <obocaman> someone can help?
[23:53] <jdsbluedevl> hello?
[23:53] <obocaman> hello
[23:53] <obocaman> can you help me?
[23:53] <jdsbluedevl> probably not
[23:53] <obocaman> ok
[23:53] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: yeah, I see the bug... but I don't see anything about ath9k, just ath5k
[23:53] <danbh_intrepid> are they similar or something?
[23:54] <jdsbluedevl> but can you help me?  I can't get the red channel working on my Dell 1703FP in Ubuntu, but I can through the menu on the monitor
[23:54] <jdsbluedevl> so it's either a software issue or a cable issue
[23:54] <jdsbluedevl> which one do you think it is?
[23:55] <jdsbluedevl> although, to tell you the truth, I had the same issue when showing the BIOS screen, so maybe it is the cable?
[23:55] <ds[de]> jdsbluedevl: sounds rather likely ;)
[23:55] <jdsbluedevl> nvm, when I lifted up my computer, it momentarily worked, then when I put it down, it reverted
[23:56] <jdsbluedevl> forget what I said, it's a VGA cable issue
[23:56] <jdsbluedevl> I know what to do now, thx
[23:56] <ds[de]> jdsbluedevl, uhm ok, you're welcome (?) :)
[23:56] <obocaman> theres is someone that knows about networking on the ubuntu 8.10??
[23:57] <ds[de]> obocaman: probably lots of people.. what did you do to enable internet access via your router?
[23:57] <ds[de]> obocaman, did you upgrade from hardy? did the internet work "back then"?
[23:58] <tdoggette> Does the Ibex installer play nice with Vista partitions?
[23:59] <obocaman> sorry
[23:59] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, I gota go.  Ill be happy with any improvements to the ath9k driver  :)
[23:59] <obocaman> i instaled from a beta cd
[23:59] <obocaman> the thing is