[00:33] <dstaley> Is there a way to skip network setup in the 18.04 server installer?
[00:33] <dstaley> If I choose done without configuring anything, it just restarts the setup process.
[00:36] <dstaley> The tutorial says "If no network is found, the installer can continue anyway", but that doesn't seem to be the case, at least not if it detects a network interface.
[01:46] <kaddi> ryuo: are you still around? I ran the command to disable systemd-resolved and the issue persists. The /etc/resolv.conf is changed before the VPN connection it now says:# Generated by NetworkManager search blueprintrf.com nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:46] <kaddi> After the VPN connection the resolv.conf is the same as posted earlier but I still can't resolve the machines on the second search domain
[02:04] <R13ose> I get this error "Configuration file "/home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc" not writable. Please contact your system administrator." and unsure why.  Any ideas?  I tried chown and came out with this "chown: changing ownership of '/home/test/.face': Read-only file system"
[02:11] <kaddi> R13ose:  what does ls -l /home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc say?
[02:15] <R13ose> kaddi: there is no file, that I see.
[02:16] <kaddi> what user are you?
[02:16] <R13ose> test
[02:17] <kaddi> is that a limited account?
[02:18] <R13ose> how do I tell?
[02:19] <kaddi> can you type groups in your command line and see if sudo appears in the list?
[02:20] <R13ose> yes sudo appears
[02:21] <kaddi> ok, weird
[02:21] <tiggster79> R13ose: what directory are you in when you ls -l?
[02:21] <kaddi> can you tell me if this gives an error: touch /home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc
[02:22] <R13ose> tiggster79: in the .config folder
[02:22] <Bashing-om> R13ose: is the entire file system now read only ? . what results with terminal commands ' touch testing ; ls -al testing ' ?
[02:22] <kaddi> @ryuo you wanna know something absolutely hilarious? nslookup -debug zeus works, nslookup zeus times out
[02:24] <R13ose> touch: cannot touch '/home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc': Read-only file system
[02:24] <kaddi> how are you booting into the system? are you accessing the OS from a live-cd?
[02:25] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Uh Huh .. boot a liveDVD/USB and run a file system check repair (fsck) .
[02:25] <R13ose> Bashing-om: Is testing the use?
[02:25] <R13ose> user*
[02:25] <R13ose> I am booting off of the hdd
[02:26] <Bashing-om> R13ose: no, we need to know if it is the file system at large that is now read only .
[02:27] <R13ose> confused.
[02:29] <Bashing-om> R13ose: the system goes 1) read olnly to prtect it's self when corrupted, 2) recovery consile is also read only . so, what results ' touch testing ; ls -al testing ' ?
[02:29] <R13ose> "touch: cannot touch 'testing': Read-only file system  ls: cannot access 'testing': No such file or directory"
[02:30] <Bashing-om> R13ose: And this ^ from a normal boot ? then time for fsck .
[02:32] <R13ose> yes and I think last time I did fsck, the machine blow up.
[02:35] <Bashing-om> R13ose: As is now you have a not so usable machine . what other options can you come up with other than learn fsck ?
[02:35] <kaddi> does anyone have an idea why nslookup hercules wouldn't work, when nslookup -debug hercules resolves correctly?
[02:35] <R13ose> I am not sure but I don't want to blow up the machine again,
[02:39] <R13ose> Yet, I will try fsck
[02:39] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Well, get a good night's sleep. back up your data .. and 1) fix this install - failed hard drive ?? - 2) take the nuclear solution and re-install - NOoooo .
[02:40] <R13ose> Thanks
[02:41] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Not much help yet . Me I am done for this session, will be back on tommorrow and we can explore see what we can do to learn fsck :)
[02:43] <R13ose> Bashing-om: thanks again.  I will try to learn fsck before using it.
[02:45] <JustAPerson> Anyone know a gnome extension to remember mouse position when alt-tabbing between windows
[02:45] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Good deal. keep in mind as this is the 2nd time .. hard drive issues ? might want to verify the hard drive's health ( smartctl ) .
[02:46] <R13ose> Bashing-om: can I use smartctl in the mode I am in now?
[02:48] <R13ose> I will be back on tomorrow
[02:49] <Bashing-om> R13ose: yes and no .. you can take a look at what is in the data base presently. then decide on further actions .
[02:49] <R13ose> thanks
[02:50] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Been there ( ro file system ) a few times .. always a fret !
[03:01] <qwebirc9273> hey I'm trying to install Kubuntu but the install keeps hanging when going from the "Software" section to the "Disk Setup" section ... has anyone seen this?  What do I do?
[03:06] <cheater> hi
[03:07] <cheater> is there a way to 1. have a fixed number of workspaces and 2. display a workspace switcher in the dock on the left?
[03:17] <slicktux> Hello all, I need to install Qt-Creator in my Ubuntu box; what is the best way to go about it?\
[03:18] <granttrec> slicktux: register and download from site
[03:19] <slicktux> Well, I was initially going to to that but I do not like how the installation isolates qt from my system; I am a developer and I do not want to have libraries isolated. Is there not a way to install it by linking it globally to the system?
[03:20] <slicktux> install it in a way that it links it to my system gloablly***
[03:20] <slicktux> Wait, I think I can acheive so with the command.
[03:20] <slicktux> sudo apt-get install -y qtcreator.
[03:21] <slicktux> That should do what I need, right"
[03:21] <slicktux> ?
[03:21] <granttrec> yeah that should do it
[03:21] <slicktux> Awesome!
[03:22] <granttrec> might be a bit behind since your a developping but probs wont affect you
[03:25] <slicktux> Well, I should be fine; qt-creator relies on my systems Qt libraries. . .
[03:25] <slicktux> I have the latest.
[04:43] <kaddi> ok, something is changing my /etc/resolv.conf. How can I register which process does it?
[05:00] <d_kam> Hello. I have an install of 18.04 desktop.  It boots fin on 4.15-32, but -33 and -34 both boot into busybox.  Any idea why?
[05:02] <granttrec> d_kam: probs need more details
[05:03] <d_kam> granttrec: sure - what would help? I'm not using LVM or LUKS,
[05:05] <d_kam> root is on sdc, windows on sda. I was wondering if perhaps it's trying the wrong disk for root.
[05:06] <granttrec> have you checked any logs
[05:07] <d_kam> I wouldn't expect to see any logs during boot as it doesn't seem to find or mount root
[05:08] <d_kam> Since -32 boots fine, I figured it was some change in the kernel -33 and -34.
[05:17] <d_kam> Busybox reports my root drive (sdc) is a linux_raid_member - which it is not.
[05:17] <d_kam> I suppose that could stop it booting - if it's trying to rebuild an array that isn't actually present.
[05:22] <d_kam> The UUID for /dev/sdc displaying in Busybox, isn't visibile with blkid when I boot from -32.  Any idea why -33 and -34 are looking at sdc rather than sdc1?
[05:37] <d_kam> This seems to be the problem - initramfs on -33 and -34 can only see sdc and not sdc1 - an idea why? Something to do with UEFI maybe?
[05:43] <slingamn> what's the best way to remove all rate-limiting rules from ufw?
[06:11] <Niytro> hello
[06:14] <Rouner> hey, i got a problem when i compile the pcre-8.42. such as i run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/pcre and the it ouput 'configure: error: Invalid C++ compiler or C++ compiler flags'.  who can help me?
[06:21] <rfm> Rouner, probably the people who could help are wherever you got pcre-8.42 from; it's not a part of a supported ubuntu release afaik
[06:32] <Niytro> ubuntu have any real time voice modulators?
[06:33] <Niytro> i tried playing with sox from a forum post but it didnt work or most likely it required extra config
[06:51] <MonsieurBon> Can I somehow tell ubuntu not to group similar windows (like terminals) so I can alt+tab through all of the windows and not just the recently active ones?
[06:57] <k_sze[work]> I have lines to start keychain in my ~/.profile
[06:58] <k_sze[work]> And it's causing the gdm3 to get stuck when I try to login
[06:58] <k_sze[work]> Why does it even try to evaluate .profile? I thought .profile is only for the shell?
[07:01] <Niytro> MonsieurBon, try hitting down arrow while alt+tabbed?
[07:02] <Niytro> MonsieurBon, or super+w?
[07:05] <BuckarooBanzai> hi
[07:05] <al2o3-cr> MonsieurBon: try alt + esc?
[07:05] <Niytro> MonsieurBon, Open Settings > Keyboard > Navigation > Switch Windows > Your_Key-Combo
[07:17] <MonsieurBon> Niytro, thx, I configured Alt+Tab as switch windows instead of switch applications. Works perfectly!
[07:19] <Niytro> MonsieurBon, very nice
[07:24] <k_sze[work]> If I have mounted a smb drive in the graphical Files program, can I find it in the terminal?
[07:45] <okovko> i'm setting up opendkim on send only ubuntu mail server, using postfix and ssmtp. i've set up opendkim and the public key on dns is correct when i check with dig. my emails are signed. however, the dkim check fails at the relay and the recipient. how do i proceed to debug the issue?
[07:45] <okovko> i get this in the email: "DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=olegkov.com; s=mail"
[07:45] <okovko> and dkim=fail of course
[07:46] <okovko> do the "d" and "s" fields look normal? they look okay to me
[07:47] <ZaZaQR> hello
[08:16] <okovko> anyone ever debug "opendkim-testmsg: dkim_eom(): Bad signature"?
[08:17] <ducasse> okovko: maybe ##networking would be a better place to ask
[08:17] <okovko> maybe, but there's 1100 godly nerds here
[08:17] <okovko> i'll give it a shot, thanks (:
[08:18] <ducasse> okovko: there aren't 1100 _active_ nerds here at this time, though :)
[08:18] <okovko> ducasse always worth a shot ^^
[08:18] <ducasse> okovko: sure, i was just making a suggestion
[09:11] <drager> Hey, I'm having some trouble with xgd-open and firefox developer edition. Applications that make use of xgd-open just opens a new window of firefox but no url is present. If I run `xdg-open http://localhost` the same behavior occurs. Ideas? I supspect this might be a firefox issue
[09:27] <geomintix> Hi o/
[09:30] <Cybertinus> hi
[09:31] <Cybertinus> In the old days I could place a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ and this would run during startup (in this case: just before the actual interfaces are started). How can I run a script just before Netplan starts my interfaces?
[09:33] <geomintix> Cybertinus, i am olso interrested by solution ;)
[09:34] <antal> I'm also pulling my hair out because of Netplan, good luck to all!
[09:37] <okovko> how do i generate an .eml file on the command line? i can't seem to google this... like grab the output of mail or sendmail before it gets sent
[09:38] <okovko> mail -v is not available for postfix i guess
[09:55] <empedokles78> How can I disable the watch-lock-screen after the energy saver turned out the monitor in Gnome?
[10:02] <blackyboy> Hi Everyone,
[10:02] <blackyboy> Fail2ban works before, Now i have manually remove failed2ban inserted rule from iptables, Again tried restarting fail2ban service, thought it will insert the rules automatically but it's not. Anyone faced similar issue kindly share your solution with me.
[10:11] <vimes> Hello! I want to create a bunch of databases and users, each user with their own database and give all of them PHPMyAdmin access, these databases would just be used so that people can learn some SQL. is there any easy way to create many users, assign each user their own DB and populate these instead of doing it the manual way I know
[10:11] <vimes> using ubuntu server 16.04
[10:28] <aruns> Hey guys, trying to install php7.2-bcmath and php7.2-fpm on Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS, and am getting the following: https://bpaste.net/show/babab1869efb
[10:29] <aruns> With the incompatible versions, can I not specify minor release versions for both dependencies so it doesn't throw an error?
[10:29] <tomreyn> !info php7.2-bcmath bionic
[10:30] <aruns> !info php7.2-common bionic
[10:30] <tomreyn> aruns: why do you have verison incompatibilities in the first place? are you mixing apt repositories for different ubuntu releases?
[10:30] <aruns> No tomreyn
[10:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:30] <aruns> Fresh Ubuntu 18.04 install.
[10:30] <aruns> It is a backup server for a client we're setting up.
[10:31] <aruns> I did sudo apt-get install -y php7.2
[10:31] <aruns> No PPAs or anything
[10:31] <aruns> I will check the repositories list though
[10:31] <tomreyn> aruns: show output of sudo apt-get update; apt-cache policy
[10:32] <tomreyn> maybe you just forgot to run "sudo apt-get update"
[10:34] <tomreyn> or maybe you're on a *non* amd64/i386 architecture, there php7.2-bcmath does indeed depend on php7.2-common 7.2.3-1ubuntu1
[10:35] <aruns> uname -m gives me x86_64
[10:35] <aruns> So yeah.
[10:36] <tomreyn> that'd be one of the above
[10:36] <tomreyn> amd64 or i386
[10:36] <aruns> Yes.
[10:37] <tomreyn> so php7.2-bcmath would depend on php7.2-common version 7.2.10-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, not 7.2.3-1ubuntu1 (contrary to the output you showed)
[10:38] <aruns> tomreyn: Here is the output of sudo apt-get update; apt-get policy as you requested: https://bpaste.net/show/b4e16071d347
[10:38] <ppf> for no ppas or anything you have quite the numer of ppas in there
[10:38] <aruns> So maybe I need to set GPG or something?
[10:38] <tomreyn> aruns: so "<aruns> No PPAs or anything" was not quite right
[10:39] <aruns> I mean, I haven't added any PPAs.
[10:39] <aruns> It's a client server.
[10:39] <tomreyn> you do have several PPAs configured there.
[10:39] <ppf> it doesn't really matter if _you_ added them or someone else ;)
[10:41] <tomreyn> aruns: what about apt-cache policy php7.2-common php7.2-bcmath php7.2-fpm
[10:41] <tomreyn> this should show which of your PPAs causes the problems.
[10:42] <tomreyn> also some of your PPAs are half configured, since their GPG signingn keys are lńot available / have not been configured to be trusted by APT.
[10:43] <aruns> https://bpaste.net/show/cb97341b60c6
[10:43] <aruns> I take it the 500 is the HTTP status code.
[10:43] <aruns> So it's not hitting any of them?
[10:43] <ppf> the 500 is the priority of that source
[10:43] <aruns> Oh I see.
[10:44] <ppf> so, get rid of your ppas and you're good to go
[10:45] <aruns> ppf: Do you mean priority as in, could there be multiple servers for downloading a package, and it prioritises a certain server?
[10:45] <ppf> sources, not servers
[10:45] <aruns> Ah.
[10:45] <m2_teknix> I am able to install Office 365 on Ubuntu 18 using CrossOver. But I am not able to log into outlook via my corporate Office 365 account. Can someone help?
[10:45] <ppf> like, logical 'servers', not physical ones
[10:45] <aruns> Right.
[10:46] <aruns> So I just need to get rid of the Filearena PPA in that case then?
[10:46] <ppf> yes
[10:47] <aruns> OK, cool.
[10:47] <ppf> well, maybe check if that's there for a reason first
[10:47] <ppf> but yes
[10:47] <tomreyn> just removing the ppa wont solve the problems if you have packages installed from there already.
[10:47] <tomreyn> you'd need to ppa-purge, then reinstall those packages.
[10:48] <m2_teknix> I am able to install Office 365 on Ubuntu 18 using CrossOver. But I am not able to log into outlook via my corporate Office 365 account. Can someone help?
[10:48] <tomreyn> m2_teknix: not supported here. try talking to microcoft. but i doubt they'll support it either.
[10:51] <aruns> Thanks tomreyn, I have carte blanche to do whatever I want on the server.
[10:51] <aruns> As it is just a dedicated backup server.
[10:52] <tomreyn> vimes: for the access control part, i'd just setup database users and use phpmyadmin so that it authenticates against the database users
[10:54] <tomreyn> vimes: that's more or less the default phpmyadmin authentication mechanism also. about creating databases, database users, granting these users access to 'their' database, and installing sample data into the databases, i'd just write a simple script to print out the SQL and then pipe this SQL into the mysql server.
[10:54] <tomreyn> aruns: you're welcome.
[11:02] <Cybertinus> geomintix: I found a way to do it. I just installed ifupdown again. Then ifupdown takes care of running the scripts and Netplan configures my interfaces. Not a nice solution, but one that works
[11:09] <illuminated> updating mythbuntu
[11:30] <geomintix> okey nice, thx Cybertinus
[11:40] <Cybertinus> geomintix: I haven't figured out when the if-pre-up.d scripts are run during boot, and when Netplan runs during boot, so I haven't found the guarrantee yet that the script have indeed run before the interfaces are configured. This could be important (for instance when you load iptables via such a script) but I don't know your environment, so I can't make this decission for you, you have to do that yourself :)
[13:13] <cheater> hi, is there a way to 1. have a fixed number of workspaces and 2. display a workspace switcher in the dock on the left?
[13:14] <Younder> cheater, apparently, I have 9 workspaces and switch between them all the time
[13:16] <cheater> Younder: how do you change to this behavior?
[13:16] <Younder> cheater, first Clrt-Alt-<arrow> switches workspaces
[13:16] <cheater> normally ubuntu has a dynamic set of workspaces, and if there are no windows on a workspace, it gets removed
[13:16] <cheater> i want it to stay alive forever
[13:17] <cheater> Younder: how do you get a switcher to show up on the sidebar?
[13:17] <Younder> Do you still use 16.04?
[13:17] <cheater> i would like something to press with the mouse
[13:17] <cheater> no, i'm on 18.04, it's a fresh install
[13:17] <Younder> So no unity-tweak
[13:18] <Younder> https://websiteforstudents.com/what-are-workspaces-and-how-to-use-them-on-ubuntu-18-04-beta/
[13:18] <cheater> apparently there's a way to get gnome-tweak-tool on 18.04, not sure if that's the same? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-tweak-tool-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[13:19] <cheater> yeah i don't want the workspaces to show up after i clicked activities, i want it to be always visible
[13:20] <cheater> either on the sidebar or on the top bar
[14:42] <pagios> hi all, i would like to give my windows machines access to some folders with access permissions applied on them, i am using linux servers, uset1 should access ofolder1 and read from folder2 and admin should access al all windows machines are part of a workgroup, should i use samba to do that service or any other recommended services?
[14:43] <empedokles78> How can I disable the watch-lock-screen after the energy saver turned out the monitor in Gnome?
[14:47] <jgoutz21> Hello.....Anyone can help me to choose the right kernel version for ubuntu 16.04 please...I am newbie
[14:47] <enzotib> the default
[14:51] <ainz> Hi
[14:51] <ainz> Anybody here can help me with this issue I have with wifi
[14:51] <ainz> on ubuntu
[14:51] <ainz> I'd appreciate it
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | ainz
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> jgoutz21: Use the kernel that is provided when you install Ubuntu. Unless you have a specific reason to change it, it will be adequate for your needs..
[14:54] <ainz> Alright so I have just installed Ubuntu 18.04 (dual boot with windows 7) and the wifi is very slow it says the signal is weak and downloads at about 100KB/s which is very slow. On Windows it works normally, I have a USB dongle (Sagem)
[15:00] <jgoutz21> pragmaticenigma Thank you....The default I know but this server was set up about 1 year ago....It has Linux 4.4.0-116-generic x86_64 and I must upgrade it because it's old.....that's my problem....I got confused with the versions
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> jgoutz21: The default kernel that is available in 16.04 has been properly patched against all known and reported vulnerabilities. Is there any reason that you specifically desire to upgrade?
[15:05] <jgoutz21> pragmaticenigma I have installed this ubuntu 1 year ago with 4.4.0-116-generic kernel version. I have never updated it. Shouldn't upgrade just the kernel? For security reasons only...
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> jgoutz21: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" will get you the latest kernels... reboot when complete
[15:10] <jgoutz21> pragmaticenigma Thank you!
[15:28] <ubuntutr> hi all
[15:29] <R13ose> Hi
[15:30] <ubuntutr> rose ?
[15:31] <ubuntutr> whatsap R13ose
[15:32] <R13ose> Trying to fix my machine that broke again.  People said run a live usb and then run fsck.  Yet, I am not sure of what the full command should be.
[15:42] <lobata> R13ose: hmm, i'm not super familiar with the arguments fsck takes, but you could also run smartctl -a /dev/sdx, where sdx is your hard drive, to first determine if your hardware is good
[15:42] <lobata> then, if you explain what's broke, we might be able to help.
[15:43] <lobata> fsck will repair a filesystem i believe but if you're having a problem with a bootloader or kernel panic then it might not do anything
[15:43] <BluesKaj> R13ose:  try sudo e2fsck /dev/sdX, X being the partition concerned
[15:44] <BluesKaj>  /dev/sda for example
[15:46] <R13ose> Should the partition or HDD be mounted?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> no
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: For reference: R13ose was here yesterday with a drive that is mouting in read-only mode when booting from said hard drive. The assumptions at the time are the drive has corrupted data or the hardware is failing. It appears Bashing-om was attepting to help, but needed to sign off.
[15:48] <ubuntutr> .
[15:48] <ubuntutr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5tRkvMXfA4
[15:49] <R13ose> Thanks pragmaticenigma for the recap
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> ubuntutr: Do you have an Ubuntu Support question?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> ok, pragmaticenigma, wonder if R13ose has a swap partition on there
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: Don't know... was just going through the channel logs from yesterday
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/09/28/%23ubuntu.html#t02:04
[15:51] <ubuntutr> pragmaticenigma: now no
[15:51] <BluesKaj> sometimes e2fsck mistakes a swap for corrupt blocks iirc
[15:51] <R13ose> Right now I am doing the memtest86 and have 3 errors so far.
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> ubuntutr: Then please refrain from posting off-topic comments and videos. If you wish to share something that is not Ubuntu support related, please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel.
[15:52] <ubuntutr> pragmaticenigma: ok thank you.
[15:58] <lobata> R13ose: then one or more of your RAM sticks is definitely bad.
[15:58] <lobata> i'd suggest powering off, removing all but 1 stick, power on and run memtest for a few minutes on each stick, to narrow down which stick(s) are bad. but that is just my best practice
[15:59] <lobata> oh.. doesn't ubuntu come with a built in notification if the hard drive is failing? so i think if you haven't seen that message, the hard drive should be fine (not need to replace the hardware)
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> lobata: I have never seen such a message, and after a recent harddrive failure don't think that is correct.
[16:01] <lobata> hm. interesting. yeah i saw a message on an old ubuntu machine once. maybe a package had been added to that system
[16:01] <lobata> i think every OS should have that.....
[16:02] <lobata> well, in that case, when the RAM issue is all sorted out, make sure to test the hard drive before continuing using the system. (with gnome-disk-utility or whatever it's called nowadays)
[16:04] <R13ose> I am on a laptop so memory removal is hard.
[16:04] <nudoge> :(
[16:04] <nudoge> its a very important job, good luck.
[16:04] <R13ose> I will try smartctl and e2fsck
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> R13ose: with bad memory in the machine, it wouldn't be recommended to proceed
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> R13ose: The broken memory module will lead to data corruption and potential loss of data on the harddrive.  Which laptop do you have?
[16:08] <R13ose> Acer laptop.
[16:08] <R13ose> Aspire V
[16:11] <lobata> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Acer+Aspire+V5-572+V5-572G+Memory+(RAM)+Upgrade/33906
[16:14] <R13ose> Seems there is only 1 stick of memory in there.
[16:14] <lobata> yep. so you'll need to replace it
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> lobata - it would appear that some of the memory is permanently attached to the motherboard. So unless there was an upgrade to more memory purchased, there is little R13ose can do to fix it on their own. The TLDR is: The laptop is toast
[16:15] <R13ose> I need a new laptop or get a tablet :)
[16:15] <lobata> oh, i was afraid of that. well if the laptop powers on with the RAM module out (which is possible i suppose if you're correct) you could run memtest on the built-in memory to make sure it's not corrupt
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> That's about all that can be done at this point.
[16:17] <lobata> pragmaticenigma: may i see the link?
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> it's in the iFix pictures you posted... beneath where the memory module can be installed, is 4 RAM chips
[16:18] <R13ose> I can't run the other tests because memory is bad?
[16:18] <lobata> i see. i am fairly certain replacing the RAM stick would fix the problem, but you could be right.
[16:19] <lobata> R13ose: you can't do much with a computer with bad RAM. nothing, really. be prepared for nonboot/freeze/destruction of machine/etc :)
[16:19] <R13ose> Not even live instances?
[16:19] <lobata> no. the RAM is written to millions of times a second. think of it as short-term memory. without it, the computer can't think.
[16:21] <lobata> if, say, the hard drive was bad, you could still run a live system and retrieve files from it, use the live session etc, if the RAM was good.
[16:21] <jcdutton> R13ose, which exact model of Acer is it. There seem to be many different V ones
[16:21] <jcdutton> R13ose, the model should be written on the laptop somewhere
[16:25] <R13ose> V5-572-6872
[16:25] <Systems> hello all. what is the best port for ssh beside 22 because someone brute force my vps and i wanna change the port thats how they can't scan my ssh port
[16:26] <tgm4883> Systems: I wouldn't recommend security though obsecurity. You'd be better served by either SSH Keys (rather than password) and/or using something like denyhosts/fail2ban
[16:27] <mindamp> tgm4883: thats stupid.
[16:27] <mindamp> Systems: change the port to something obscure, and do what tgm4883 says in addition.
[16:28] <mindamp> get rid of that bot net traffic. no one wants to filter that, including fail2ban
[16:28] <mindamp> u can waste the cpu on it if u want i guess.
[16:28] <mindamp> but i wouldnt, with such a quick and easy change as port #
[16:29] <tgm4883> mindamp: I suppose I should have said I wouldn't recommend relying on security though obsecurity, but thanks for being such a charmer
[16:29] <mindamp> tgm4883: thanks for being wrong
[16:30]  * tgm4883 kneels to the superiority of mindamp
[16:30] <mindamp> more specifically, especially if you are on common VPS nodes. those get scanned literally every few seconds.
[16:31] <mindamp> tgm4883: im sorry :(
[16:31] <jcdutton> R13ose, that has 2 RAM chips, one removable, and one soldered.  If you remove the removable one, and then re-run the memtest, to see which chip is bad
[16:33] <R13ose> My machine is broken in other ways so even if I wanted to do that, I shouldn't
[16:33] <jcdutton> R13ose, how old is it? >1 year?
[16:34] <R13ose> jcdutton: a few years old
[16:35] <jcdutton> R13ose, looks like you need a new laptop or tablet then. Keep the acer laptop, in case you wish to recover anything off the Hard disk.
[16:36] <R13ose> I do wish to get the files off the hdd
[16:38] <lobata> pull out the hdd and stick it in a usb hard drive dock, then connect that to another computer to retrieve the files.
[16:39] <mindamp> laptop prolly just 3.5 SATA anyways
[16:39] <lobata> 2.5
[16:39] <mindamp> could just plug it into another box as secondary boom
[16:39] <mindamp> 3.5
[16:39] <R13ose> I need another machine first
[16:39] <mindamp> true story
[16:40] <mindamp> 2.5
[16:40] <mindamp> lobata: brain fart
[16:41] <mindamp> R13ose: did you try simply reseating the removable chip?
[16:41] <mindamp> give it the old nintendo once over
[16:42] <R13ose> mindamp: my machine is broken in other ways.   Since this is off-topic, if you want to help me, please pm me jcdutton
[16:44] <lobata> good luck :)
[16:44] <R13ose> lobata: thanks
[16:48] <Systems> tgm4883 mindamp thanks for responses the fast way is to change the port.
[16:58] <mindamp> Systems: as tgm4883 stated, do NOT rely on that for security, but it's also NOT just obfuscation... its removing the problem. regardless of your firewall,fail2ban etc you dont really want them even knowing it's there. set a high port number, will put it outside the range of most nmap and botnet scanners... hopefully.
[16:58] <mindamp> and reduce cpu/traffic in general.
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> Systems: Agree with mindamp ... the higher the port number the better. It's a short int value so there are plenty to choose from. Going higher than 5000 is generally safe territory away from other conflicting services
[17:00] <mindamp> ^^
[17:00] <mindamp> top limit is what 655xx
[17:00] <mindamp> something liek that 65535?
[17:00] <mindamp> 65435 maybe
[17:01] <mindamp> i think even with fail2ban, they can still connect/use some resources (especially when they know its there and point 1000+ ip's at it etc)
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> 2^16
[17:02] <mindamp> most botnets will scan VPS provider IP ranges, see 22 open, and then add it to a "list" that then gets brute forced with a ton of IPs to get past fail2ban etc
[17:03] <mindamp> some are even tailored to the specific VPS provider etc
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> Shodan will do as much mindamp ... the higher port number just keeps it out of reach of the script kiddies
[17:03] <mindamp> since it will know its amazon, or azure, or google etc
[17:03] <mindamp> pragmaticenigma: yeah..
[17:03] <mindamp> i think nmap has a few set "prescans" that most use
[17:03] <mindamp> and high port numbers will remove it from all that noise
[17:04] <mindamp> since no one is really going to bother with it if they dont see it on 22
[17:04] <mindamp> anyways.
[17:04] <mindamp> but again, no root + key auth is best
[17:04] <mindamp> better yet.. vpn only + no root + key auth
[17:05] <mindamp> yet cumbersome :P
[17:06] <jcdutton> I just send a single encrypted UDP packet. If the server recognises it, it does not even respond, it opens the SSH port to the one IP address, and then I can ssh in
[17:06] <mindamp> jcdutton: get out of here with that voodoo
[17:06] <mindamp> voodoo!
[17:07] <Systems> for lazy skiddies is ok to change just the port and after this you can see if someone scan the open ports and wanna hack you
[17:07] <jcdutton> mindamp, I have not even written a android app yet to send the udp packet, so only any use from may laptop to my server
[17:08] <Systems> then you can restrict connection per ip and tryes per ip
[17:08] <mindamp> Systems: or set up a honeypot on 22 :D
[17:10] <Systems> mindamp: yeap you will catch the skiddies to see if someone really wanna hack you it's ok to change ssh port if the brute force continue on the new port you know for sure someone wanna hack you
[17:11] <acu> hello everyone
[17:13] <acu> I am trying to run Ubuntu 18.04 on a HP x360 AMD Ryzen 7, and I cannot install it as even the installation usb does not boot (it goes into a blank screen)...
[17:14] <jcdutton> acu, you might be able to try the text installer.
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> acu: Also, do you have secure boot enabled, efi ??
[17:16] <jcdutton> I have never used secure boot. If secure boot fails security, does it really go to a blank screen, instead of a nice friendly message to say why it failed.
[17:17] <jkyle> I'm getting unmet dependencies on a few packages that I'm unable to resolve. I've noticed it seems the bionic-updates will install an updated version of a package. Then in main, a package might require =1.2.3-15 whereas bionic-updates pulls down 1.2.3-25, thus breaking the install.
[17:17] <acu> pragmaticenigma, yes, I disable the secure boot - interestingly before I updated the bios, I installed Ubuntu 18.04 (no touch screen working), but it was O
[17:17] <jkyle> what does bionic-updates provide? What do I lose if I disable and only target main?
[17:18] <teward> jkyle: if you disable bionic-updates you should at least enable bionic-security
[17:19] <teward> jkyle: bionic-updates provides package updates for bugfixes, etc. that aren't necessarily Security updates
[17:19] <teward> (though Security updates get pushed to both -security and -updates)
[17:20] <jkyle> bionic-security is enable,d actually I'm going the other route. I'm adding universe in addition to main in bionic-updates
[17:20] <jkyle> that may be where the gap is
[17:22] <jkyle> on a side, anyone have issues in google-chrome with the mouse cursor disappearing and scrolling not working (while cursor is gone)
[17:26] <jkyle> ok, adding universe to updates did the trick
[17:29] <vimar> Hi
[17:51] <dimm> hello, All! What a good software for manage ssh connection? multitabbed, save password
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> dimm: This isn't the best place for software recommendations. We focus on support question, like fixing software and configurations.
[17:53] <dimm> ok :-)
[17:53]  * dimm went search to google
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> dimm: You might try #ubuntu-offtopic or searching google ... when seeking recommendations and software, always do your research. And give preference to software that is available in Ubuntu's software repos, there's lots there.
[18:00] <dimm> pragmaticenigma, yes
[18:02] <RamiTheTrainFan> Hi.
[18:03] <Younder> pragmaticenigma, In the case of Mechanical CAD (paying) VariCAD is the only option
[18:03] <Younder> KiCad is fine for Circuitboards
[18:03] <RamiTheTrainFan> Wat?
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> Younder: This isn't the correct forum for that conversation Younder ... please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:05] <RamiTheTrainFan> What is the channel for ubuntu support or help?
[18:06] <manit> is someone using ubuntu on wsl?
[18:06] <SwedeMike> RamiTheTrainFan: this one. But you have to state a question before someone can help you.
[18:06] <tgm4883> manit: lots of people are, doesn't seem like a support question though
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> !wsl
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> manit:  see this ^ ^
[18:09] <manit> I sometimes get an error saying resource is unavailable, and it is pending for deletion?
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> manit: We don't support WSL here... see #ubuntu-on-windows as ubottu referrenced
[18:10] <manit> pragmaticenigma: okay no problem. Thanks.
[18:14] <Younder> pragmaticenigma, I disagree, I think within limits we can advice software. it is a part of the os.
[18:16] <Younder> Unix has always been an environment, not just a kernel.
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> Younder: The underlaying architectures are not the same. And there are dedicated resources for obtaining support. You wouldn't go to the auto mechanic for a kidney transplant
[18:20] <JimBuntu> I agree with pragmaticenigma  and... the discussion itself either belongs in -ops or -offtopic.
[18:20] <pikia> Anyone use the slack app on ubuntu here?
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | pikia
[18:21] <JimBuntu> pikia, Yes and it's not nice on memory.
[18:21] <pikia> Uh. when opening the slack app on ubuntu, it logs me off :/
[18:21] <pikia> Should I just stick with the web version instead?
[18:21] <pikia> Was just wondering if anyone had a similar issue to me
[18:21] <JimBuntu> Whoa! I have never experienced that. Logs you off of the computer, or Slack?
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> pikia: Logs you out of other isntances... or the app itself does not remain logged in?
[18:21] <pikia> Opening the app logs me off the computer
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> pikia: Where did you install Slack from... where did you find instructions?
[18:22] <JimBuntu> To be clear, you should be able to stay logged into the computer, a web session, the app and a variety of phones all at the same time.
[18:22] <pikia> Uhh, I meant it logs me off of my ubutu session
[18:22] <tgm4883> pikia: sounds like X crashing
[18:22] <pikia> Litterly kicks me to the login screen again
[18:22] <pikia> Yeah, that was what I was thinking too, since im using waylad
[18:22] <JimBuntu> pikia, here comes the bad part... did you get it from an official Ubuntu repo?
[18:22] <pikia> Yeah :)
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> pikia: Many applications are not compatible with Wayland... that is likely the reason you're getting logged off... it's actually wayland crashing
[18:23] <pikia> Is there a log to take a look at for the X server?
[18:23] <pikia> Ahhh, I see.
[18:23] <JimBuntu> A quick google search shows multiple other people having similar issues with Slack and other Electron apps.
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> pikia: Try it with a regular Ubuntu session instead of the wayland session
[18:24] <pikia> https://github.com/electron/electron/issues/9056
[18:24] <pikia> damn yeah
[18:25] <pikia> I would use the regular ubuntu session, but thats configured to use my eGPU, so the xorg.conf file is all wonky and won't work without it
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1760252
[18:26] <JimBuntu> Sorry pikia , I will say this, I don't think you are losing much of anything... unless you count the overhead of an electron app ;-D
[18:26] <pikia> aha. I know a lot of people don't like the bloatness of electron, but for a student like me who, its pretty awesome
[18:26] <pikia> Its quick and easy to make a small app for classes
[18:26] <pikia> and yeah, looks like im SOL for wayland
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> pikia: If it were me personally... I'd stick to the web client, or download the mobile app for a phone/tablet
[18:27] <pikia> Is there anyway I can add another "ubuntu session" where I use a more normal xorg.conf file?
[18:29] <JimBuntu> pikia, Yeah, you can make your own version of the slack app really easily... basically electron browser that leads to the web portal.
[18:30] <pikia> XD
[18:31] <bizhat> anyone know if Ubuntu mainline kernal support zfs ? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2402322
[18:32] <outoftime> How to create ADSL\PPPOE connection in Ubuntu 18.04? I have tried few ways but none seams to be right solution
[18:33] <bizhat> @outoftime on command line, you can use pppoeconf
[18:34] <outoftime> bizhat: but there are no "new connection" via network manager's interface
[18:41] <outoftime> bizhat: I found the best way is to use `nmcli` to create new pppoe connetion. But is it really supposed to be configurable only via cli?
[18:42] <outoftime> I mean it is not some tricky configuration of fstab, where best choice is to write it by your hands.
[18:42] <ioria> outoftime, nm-connection-editor   then press '+' then select DSL
[18:42] <outoftime> ioria: I have tried that tool, but there are no pppoe
[18:43] <ioria> outoftime, are you sure ? i have it
[18:43] <outoftime> ioria: it didn't work for me
[18:43] <outoftime> ioria: but, I guess I know what was the problem, I'll try again
[18:50] <R13ose> How do I make sure a second usb drive is mounted in initramfs?  I then want to mount the hard drive and move over the home directory to the usb key.
[18:53] <Younder> R13ose, I boot the system and install it without the drive. Then I add it.
[18:54] <R13ose> Younder: I get that but can't boot the system
[19:05] <outoftime> ioria: when I'm adding new pppoe connection via "nm-connection-..." wired connection is still "off", but when I'm using nmcli it starts to connect immediatly and became connected soon.
[19:06] <outoftime> ioria: I haven't cheched Wired settings after adding pppoe connection, if it matters
[19:07] <ioria> outoftime, i guess because you're using both NM and pppoeconf
[19:08] <outoftime> ioria: no, I'm using liveusb with 18.04, clean system each reboot
[19:08] <ioria> outoftime, Do not use pppoeconf together with NM
[19:08] <outoftime> ioria: I'm not
[19:08] <ioria> outoftime, https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8ow827/_/e06ttwc/
[19:09] <outoftime> ioria: I just want to find out what way is suggested for "gui users"?
[19:10] <ioria> outoftime, dsl is basically a cable (ether) connection
[19:11] <Krock> Hello everybody, Ubuntu 18.04 user here. I'm having the issue where the latest libgles1 collides with the nvidia driver: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1045058  Would anyone have a suggestion on how I could repair the local packaging system?
[19:15] <ioria> Krock, you proably need to run  sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/ pkg , but i'am not aware of this issue
[19:16] <outoftime> ioria: I have this when trying to load from liveusb https://imgur.com/a/2HrVhv3
[19:16] <ioria> outoftime, i see nothing, sy
[19:18] <ioria> outoftime, it's empty,i mean
[19:23] <Krock> ioria: thanks. I think I fixed it now by overwriting libgl1, then libgles1, and finally libglvnd
[19:23] <ioria> Krock, good
[19:24] <outoftime> ioria: slow 3g.. loaded now
[19:24] <Krock> restart will reveal the issues tomorrow if there are any. Will maybe return if I can't find a solution for the new problems :D
[19:24] <Krock> thanks again. have a nice day
[19:24] <ioria> Krock, any time
[19:25] <compdoc> what a poof
[19:30] <outoftime> ioria: can you take a look https://imgur.com/a/2HrVhv3 ?
[19:32] <ioria> outoftime, it's not related to dsl conn
[19:36] <ioria> outoftime, what device is that ?
[19:41] <outoftime> ioria: yes, it is not a network issue. I'm loading ubuntu 18.04 on my notebook ASUS K53T and looks like there are some troubles with video card. It loads long time
[19:43] <outoftime> ioria: `dmesg` http://termbin.com/3c5j
[19:46] <ioria> outoftime, is this from a livecd ot an installed system ?
[19:46] <ioria> *or
[19:46] <outoftime> ioria: liveusb
[19:46] <ioria> outoftime, and you canbnot install ?
[19:46] <ioria> *cannot
[19:48] <outoftime> ioria: I want to test everything before reinstalling old system. Found error during loading and I'm interesing will in reproduce after installation or adding proprietary drivers
[19:48] <ioria> outoftime, no proprietary drivers for radeon so far ,sy
[19:51] <ioria> outoftime, may i suggest Lubuntu/xubuntu ?
[19:51] <outoftime> ioria: I haven't used them. I have some little experience with Mint
[19:52] <ioria> outoftime, try xubuntu, you may like it
[19:52] <outoftime> ioria: is there valuable differences?
[19:52] <ioria> outoftime, the load
[19:53] <ioria> outoftime, and the DE obviously
[19:54] <outoftime> ioria: what about snap, apt, systemd?
[19:55] <ioria> outoftime, the core system is the same
[20:00] <kalock> hi all, i am working on booting from USB via EFI and i have made it as far as the GRUB prompt on my USB linux image.  i cannot seem to figure out what GRUB commands to issue in order to boot linux now.  have tried the obvious ones from google but they are not working for some reason, if anyone has ideas?
[20:05] <outoftime> kalock: I'm noobie, but have you tried to make clean install and than `dd` on your usb?
[20:07] <kalock> outoftime: yes, DD is what enabled my EFI to finally read the USB drive and boot as far as GRUB.  i just need to figure out how to load my kernel now somehow.  have located 2 vmlinuz files but i must not be sending the correct GRUB commands
[20:08] <outoftime> kalock: have you changed "BIOS" setting to load from usb?
[20:10] <kalock> outoftime: yes, i am able to boot from the usb, it's just GRUB needs to be manually told how to boot linux now
[20:10] <kalock> outoftime: this GRUB is on the USB itself as it is a live iso
[20:11] <bprompt> hmm
[20:11] <outoftime> kalock: liveusb or clean install? Or you what to install GRUB with lots of different *.iso with different linux distors?
[20:11] <bprompt> kalock:   for 18.04 the liveUSB booted right off for me, it didn't drop me on the console prompt
[20:12] <bprompt> kalock:   18.04 amd64 desktop iso that is
[20:12] <outoftime> kalock: or you want to make liveusb with multiple distros?
[20:13] <outoftime> bprompt: same, I'm from liveusb now, whated to try before installing.
[20:13] <outoftime> bprompt: *wanted
[20:13] <kalock> bprompt: i am pretty sure that the reason it didn't is because my EFI is custom.  this is a chromebook using MrChromebox script.  but i am able to boot the live USB, it just brings me to it's GRUB and i shall have to probably mount the filesystem and load the kernel?
[20:13] <ThiagoCMC> Hey guys, with Ubuntu 18.04 and Netplan (and systemd-networkd), do we still need the vconfig (vlan package) to configure VLANs?
[20:14] <kalock> outoftime: i am putting ubuntu 64 on a chromebook solo boot
[20:15] <outoftime> kalock: so you have `sudo dd if=<path>/ubuntu-18.04.iso of=/dev/<usb>` and it still didn't work?
[20:15] <bprompt> kalock:   hmmm haven't done that one myself yet
[20:16] <kalock> outoftime: that part works ok, the live image is intact and bootable.  it's probably my custom EFI that is making GRUB stop, so i just need to learn the commands to load linux
[20:17] <kalock> no error messages, i just literally get dumped at the GRUB prompt
[20:18] <outoftime> kalock: wait for smarter people, can not help you with that. You can try to google how to install ubuntu on chromebook, making liveusb have to described there too.
[20:18] <kalock> outoftime: thanks for your help :)
[20:19] <kalock> bprompt: i'll try a few other linux images to make sure it's not just ubuntu but i doubt that's the issue
[20:23] <bprompt> kalock:    I believe you, and I think you're correct, is the modified EFI firmware.... I just haven't done that :(, give it a wait here, or come back later, other folks who may know may be around, they aren't here yet
[20:23] <ThiagoCMC> Anyone?   :-P
[20:24] <outoftime> ThiagoCMC: jsut repeat question, "Anyone?" is meaning less question.
[20:24] <ThiagoCMC> outoftime, I just didn't wanted to re-post the question... Sorry!
[20:25] <kalock> bprompt: thanks for the help mate :)
[20:25] <outoftime> ThiagoCMC: no offence, it was an advice. Use arrow up if your IRC client allow it.
[20:26] <ThiagoCMC> Ok!
[21:25] <sysRPL> hello
[21:26] <sysRPL> could someone help me here? i set nemo to be my default file manager on ubunut, but now i cannot change the desktop background. everything i have tried to do to change my wallpaper results in no effect. help please
[21:44] <bray90820> Is there any way to show battery percentage in 18.04
[21:51] <[Gort]> bray90820, install Gnome Tweaks, run it, then go to Top Bar, then you'll see the option for battery percentage.
[21:52] <gambl0re> how do i check if my laptops hdmi port is 1.0 or 2.0?
[21:54] <sysRPL> [Gort], can you help me? i can't change my desktop background
[21:55] <[Gort]> sysRPL, running on Gnome?
[21:55] <sysRPL> unity ubuntu 16.04
[21:55] <sysRPL> i set nemo as my file manager
[21:56] <sysRPL> now whenever i use any tool to change my background image, nothing happens
[21:56] <[Gort]> hmm... when on 16.04, I was on XFCE. Surely it's in Settings, under background.
[21:56] <sysRPL> yes i can change the settings, but my desktop image does not change
[21:56] <sysRPL> even after reboot
[21:56] <gambl0re> ?
[22:00] <bray90820> [Gort]:
[22:00] <bray90820> Thanks
[22:01] <[Gort]> sysRPL, I'm just googling for answers. See, I don't ever change things like wallpapers, so I'm not the best to ask. Seems you're not the only one. This might be an answer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/527366/wallpaper-is-not-changing-and-right-click-does-not-work-on-desktop-in-ubuntu-14
[22:02] <[Gort]> I tend to have my browser and other programs as wallpaer ;)
[22:03] <[Gort]> bray90820, np
[22:04] <sysRPL> that did it
[22:04] <[Gort]> ah, cool
[22:05] <sysRPL> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background active true
[22:05] <sysRPL> tgat line
[22:05] <sysRPL> that line
[22:07] <[Gort]> yeah, most of the gnome/unity fixes end up being hidden in gsettings . It's the user friendly way. ;)
[22:33] <cheater> hi
[22:34] <cheater> does anyone know why gsettings dump shows schemas/keys that don't show up in dconf and dconf-editor? why does this difference happen? how does one set those settings then?
[22:40] <Sven_vB> cheater, I think dconf only shows values that are set to a custom value
[22:40] <Sven_vB> i.e. which override the defaults (even if with the same value)
[22:58] <outoftime> Is it hard to get ubuntu 18.04 use unity?


[18:39] <psc> hi everyone, i was finally able to install u-s 12.04 on my macbook pro. i had to remake the iso and also had to copy the files to an usb key (go figure)
[18:41] <psc> anyway, pretty happy now! i was wondering, i never used the lady / gladish / patchage way for connecting my applications. i always used qjackctl patchbay, but now i am hesitating between gladish and qjackctl sessions: any recommandation.
[18:49] <holstein> i use qjackctl
[18:49] <holstein> you can ask in #opensourcemusicians about the other workflows
[18:50] <holstein> all i can say is that they are all "free" to try


[16:13] <gjolly> Hello there, could you have a look at this bug and at my last comment? https://bugs.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1968873. Basically it seems that cloud-init does not support/use sshd_config.d. Do you think it is a cloud-init bug?
[16:17] <gjolly> I feel like cloud-init should write its config to sshd_config.d/99-cloud-init.conf or something like that rather than appending to the main config file.
[17:56] <rbasak> gjolly: thanks - I commented in the bug.
[17:56] <rbasak> blackboxsw: ^
[19:42] <Odd_Bloke> Glad to finally see that being addressed!
[20:09] <kovacs-andras> Dear Team and friendly folks around here, I have a few Ubuntu servers (20.04 mostly) where the system partition is luks2 encrypted. I could open it on boot time trough a tty, ttyS and ssh(dropbear). SSH works just fine I call cryptroot-unlock explicitely.
[20:09] <kovacs-andras> And previously both tty and ttyS worked too.
[20:09] <kovacs-andras> But now, either tty or ttyS works only.
[20:10] <kovacs-andras> I can't figure out from the changelogs what is different now.
[20:11] <kovacs-andras> I put into my /etc/default/grub this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS1,115200n8" and it worked fine a (months ago).
[20:14] <kovacs-andras> Now cryptroot-unlock only asks for my input on the "last" console in this variable. So I can change the order and always only one of them works.
[20:15] <kovacs-andras> tty numbers really doesn't matter for some reason. So in case tty* is the last in the row, it will ask for my pass on the tty. If ttyS1 is the last, it will ask my pw on that one.
[20:20] <kovacs-andras> Do you have any recommendations on what should I change to make all my consoles work again? Should I make a hook/script now?
[20:35] <sarnold> kovacs-andras: this is outside my usual experience.. but I have a vague memory of plymouth being used to do password prompting most of the time; I wonder if this is a matter of plymouth config, rather than the right console= lines?
[20:36] <sarnold> kovacs-andras: the kernel docs mention the last console= is used when processes open /dev/console https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.13/admin-guide/serial-console.html -- that sounds very much like what you've got now
[20:43] <kovacs-andras> thanks!
[21:04] <kovacs-andras> I used ssh(dropbear) to enter into my running initramfs. Both tty0 and ttyS1 are working fine. I can read-write them manually with cat. But cryptroot/cryptsetup runs only on one of them.
[21:15] <kovacs-andras> Many thanks sarnold! Now I understand the last console listed appears as the primary console. But I really don't understand how it could work previously... and I still don't know how to make it work again.
[21:17] <sarnold> kovacs-andras: yeah, I'm not sure it would work previously either :( that's where I started grasping for eg plymouth, thinking it might have done something different as part of its IO multiplexing..
[21:54] <kovacs-andras> Previously it worked for me. Now I'm thinking about a dirty hack like this to execute unlock on the "secondary" terminal: sh -i <>/dev/ttysomething 1>&0 2>&1 /bin/cryptroot-unlock


[16:20] <dsmythies> shaunm_: are you around?
[16:27] <shaunm_> dsmythies: what's up?
[16:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: There is another bug report which I originally diagnosed as an issue with the html/Makefile.
[16:29] <dsmythies> Shaunm_: However, and after observing some discussion about it between godbyk and KI7MT on this IRC channel,
[16:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: it has been determined that it is an upstream issue also, and my original diagnosis was incorrect.
[16:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1239162
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1239162 in Ubuntu Documentation "yelp-build incorrect construction of path to .svg files. Copy step fails" [Low,Confirmed]
[16:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: At this point, I am trying to determine if the root issue is in xsltproc or yelp-tools (yelp-build).
[16:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: I would appreciate any insight / opinion you might have.
[16:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: I realize a reply might take some time. If you are willing to take a look, perhaps reply on the bug report itself.
[16:33] <shaunm_> mmm, referencing icons by absolute path
[16:33] <shaunm_> probably a bug in yelp-build. I'll take a look later today
[16:34] <dsmythies> shaumn_: Thanks very much.
[17:41] <shaunm_> dsmythies: that bug is against an old version of yelp-tools
[17:42] <shaunm_> the good news is, there are no longer any errors with those files
[17:42] <shaunm_> the bad news is, yelp-build completely ignores them. so unless help.ubuntu.com/usr/share/icons/... exists and has the files, you'll have broken images
[17:44] <shaunm_> and I'm not really sure the best way to solve that
[17:47] <dsmythies> shaunm_: Currently (at least whatever yelp-build I am ausing now) does build the html properly, and the links are to, for example:
[17:48] <dsmythies>
Bluetooth menu

[17:48] <dsmythies> which is a realtive link to the correct place (or desired palce)
[17:48] <dsmythies> are you saying it will be different now?
[17:50] <dsmythies> shaunm_: as for the copy step is question here. In my opinion, it is better that it doesn't even try to copy the files.
[17:50] <dsmythies> shaunm_: as for the copy step in question here. In my opinion, it is better that it doesn't even try to copy the files.
[17:50] <dsmythies> why? becuase sometimes one is compiling on a computer that doesn't actually have the files.
[17:51] <dsmythies> Now, that might just be me.
[17:54] <shaunm_> dsmythies: oh, that might be part of your customization layer. I was just calling yelp-build without any customizations. I'll look
[18:17] <dsmythies> shaunm_: I better figure out how to try the newest version of yelp stuff, for testing. It seems, a few times now, I bring up issues that are already solved.
[18:19] <shaunm_> dsmythies: there's probably a ppa with the latest packages
[18:20] <shaunm_> otherwise, honestly, I often override the package manager and install from the tarball
[18:20] <shaunm_> not something I generally recommend for most packages, but yelp-tools is pretty safe
[18:21] <dsmythies> shaunm_: where can I get the tarball?
[18:23] <shaunm_> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/yelp-tools/
[18:23] <shaunm_> or git clone git://git.gnome.org/yelp-tools
[18:24] <shaunm_> oh yikes, you guys are overriding yelp.page
[18:24] <shaunm_> err, html.pge
[18:24] <shaunm_> * html.page
[18:24] <shaunm_> sheesh
[18:24] <shaunm_> and mal2html.page.linktrails.trail
[18:25] <shaunm_> actually, I know why you're overriding mal2html.page.linktrails.trail, and I added a hook in the xsl quite some time ago so you could stop doing that
[18:26] <dsmythies> shaunm_: Ugh... Ugh... Not guility. These are before my time.
[18:26] <shaunm_> the html.page override is much much trickier
[18:26] <shaunm_> I know
[18:26] <shaunm_> probably mdke
[18:27] <dsmythies> and or Jeremy
[18:27] <shaunm_> yeah
[18:27] <shaunm_> anyway, if it's the only way to do what you need to do, then it is what it is
[18:27] <shaunm_> I've tried to add extension points whenever I see overrides like these, so people can use those instead
[18:28] <dsmythies> shaunm_: Please let us know if we should change things. Myself, I would never know otherwise.
[18:28] <shaunm_> I'll cook up a patch for the mal2html.page.linktrails.trail override. that one's easy to fix, because I already added an extension point for exactly that purpose
[18:29] <shaunm_> the other one is hard
[18:29] <dsmythies> shaunm_: O.K. Understood.
[18:30]  * dsmythies goes off to get and try tarball
[19:25] <dsmythies> shaunm_: can I not build a .deb directly from the git clone? Note: my only experience is with kernel.org where I just do "git pull" then "make deb-pkg" then install using "sudo dpkg -i linux-bla-bla.deb"
[19:39] <dsmythies> shaunm_: I guess not, and I guess that is why you said you "often override the package manager and install from the tarball" above.
[20:54] <KI7MT> dsmythies, another option for the traditional ./configure .. make && make install .. look into checkintall package with auto-apt .. makes removal and / or updating from sources pretty easy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[21:00] <KI7MT> Or, one can just build it in $USER/bin or something, forgoing make install and sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin for testing  .. somthing along those lines.
[21:17] <dsmythies> KI7MT: thanks for the suggestions. In the end, I want to be sure I can revert, if needed.
[21:19] <KI7MT> dsmythies, that's the purpose of checkinstall, it updates the pkg-manager also. Removal is then something like dpkg -r <package-name>
[21:21] <KI7MT> dsmythies,  Use it for testing Hamlib and wsjtx builds .. you could also use /opt and and in .bashrc add path var's .. I use that method for testing Intel and Portland compilers while still maintaining standard system gcc installs.ff.
[21:21] <KI7MT> * I use it for testing .. ..
[21:22] <shaunm_> that's kind of slick
[21:22] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Aghh... Thanks
[21:22]  * dsmythies goes off to study up
[21:22] <shaunm_> dsmythies: for yelp-tools, you could just install with --prefix=/usr/local
[21:22] <shaunm_> should work just fine, and won't interfere with the packaged yelp-tools in /usr
[21:23] <shaunm_> or somewhere in /opt or whatever
[21:23] <shaunm_> but then you'll have to manage $PATH for your Makefile to work
[21:24] <dsmythies> hmmm... A saga is developing...
[21:54] <dsmythies> KI7MT: checkinstall seems to be exactly what I was looking for. However, I got "Building Debian package... FAILED!". Everything turns into a saga.
[21:55] <KI7MT> dsmythies, interesting .. did it say why it failed?
[21:59] <dsmythies> KI7MT: It asked if I wanted to look at the log. I said yes. version did not start with a digit. Did it again, forcing version instead of default, and now it seems happy.
[22:00] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Ok, well seems all is well in the end :-)


[00:20] <tomreyn> i guess this may have moved to https://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/versions.html
[00:21] <tomreyn> croraf: ^
[00:21] <croraf> i see
[00:21] <croraf> I guess would be good to say that explicitly on the old document (webpage).
[00:21] <tomreyn> where is that?
[00:23] <croraf> well, the link you pasted here
[00:24] <croraf> And the new document versions.html doesnt have the mainline (upstream) mapping
[00:25] <tomreyn> hmm, right, it doesn't say that.
[15:23] <hallyn> anyone working on packaging lei for ubuntu?


[01:15] <Avihay> anyone knows of a good software that shows you your memory usage?
[01:17] <James147> Avihay: "free -m"
[01:19] <Avihay> James147: thanks, not what I meant,
[01:19] <James147> Avihay: then say waht you mean :)
[01:19] <Avihay> mmm, well, how do I put it into words
[01:20] <James147> Avihay: what are you trying to find out?
[01:20] <Unit193> I could say `htop`....
[01:20] <Avihay> mem tells me that I'm useing 3-3.5gb of memory
[01:20] <Avihay> except for FF with 0.5GB, I don't know where my memory is going
[01:20] <James147> Avihay: htop or press "alt+esc"
[01:21] <James147> (or run system montor)
[01:21] <CheckIn> James147: You mean ctrl+Esc
[01:21] <Avihay> I tried ps -aux , and dumped it all into a spreadsheet. according to that, I'm either using 25MB or 25GB of memory..
[01:21] <CheckIn> Avihay: alt+F2 -> Ksysguard
[01:21] <James147> CheckIn: yes that one :)
[01:22] <Avihay> if I manually sum up my programs with sysgurd, I'm not getting anywhere near the 2GB mark which is how much ram I have, yet free says I use a good 2GB of swap
[01:23] <Avihay> and my computer's favorite pastime seems to be swapping
[01:24] <James147> Avihay: the linux kernel will swap before you each the max memory, so that it has some room for the file cache
[01:24] <Avihay> so, know of any good graphical software that shows you your memory usage? and doesn't lie?
[01:25] <James147> Avihay: its not lieing... memory allocation is just more complecated then you think
[01:27] <Avihay> ok, so according to you, I should ask how to set the kernel file cache to something more reasonable?
[01:27] <James147> Avihay: if you want to find what applications are taking up memory, then sort it by memory... if you want to know whats using up every last part of your memory then your going to need to look into how linux manages memory...
[01:28] <James147> Avihay: no... it probally is sensable... you can set the swappyness (how often the kenel swaps things out of memory), but you shouldnt need to
[01:29] <Avihay> well, according to ksysgurd, I am now using (after closeing the main memory eaters) less then 400MB
[01:29] <James147> Avihay: are you having problems with your computer in any other respect? (is it being slow?) if not then you shouldnt need to worry to much about how linux is handleing your memory
[01:30] <Avihay> acording to free, I'm useing 1.7GB of ram, and 1.1gb of swap
[01:30] <James147> Avihay: and the linux kernel wont flush the swap untill it needs stuff located on the swap
[01:30] <Avihay> well, it's slow because it's swapping alot
[01:31] <James147> Avihay: also, the totals in free list application memory + caches/buffers (ie file caches which the kernel will dump when you actually need the memory)
[01:31] <James147> Avihay: whats the +- buffers/cache line state?
[01:31] <Avihay> -/+ buffers/cache:     923108    1130788
[01:32] <Avihay> used , free
[01:33] <Avihay> while Mem:       total 2053896    used 1763248     free 290648 Swap:      total 3903788    used 1165684    free 2738104
[01:34] <James147> (its easier to read free when you pass it the -m arg)
[01:35] <James147> Avihay: but according to that your only using about 900M of application memory
[01:36] <Avihay> I should have waited with all my software still open
[01:38] <James147> Avihay: best things you can really do is 1) buy more ram (its relitivly cheap these days) or 2) optimise your program usage (use lightweight programs or don't open so many at once)
[01:39] <Avihay> James147: this is from before I started closeing stuff: http://paste.kde.org/440948/
[01:39] <CheckIn> Avihay: because Linux is so library based things get double counted or not counted enough depending on what's going on
[01:40] <James147> Avihay: that says you where using 1.2G of ram for applications and 2.1G of swap for applications (rest of ram will be caches/buffers)
[01:41] <Avihay> so a total of 3.3GB worth of application memory?
[01:41] <James147> Avihay: yup
[01:42] <James147> Avihay: which is more ram then you ahve so swaping is going to happen...
[01:43] <Avihay> that's crazy, the difference between those free reads were closeing (and reopening FF) and wine with an ole game, and something minor that I can't recall
[01:43] <James147> Avihay: firefox can use gigs of memory if you have pages open
[01:44] <Avihay> sysgurd stated 0.5GB
[01:46]  * James147 wonders if firefox dose what chromium dose and use multiple processes....
[01:47] <Avihay> no, FF still uses one thread
[01:47] <Avihay> err process
[01:49] <James147> Avihay: best thing to do is list it by what process uses the most memory, then tring to reduce its memory usage (either by disalbing plugins... reducing how many document etc you have open or various other things dependong on the program) or by looking for a lightweight alternitive
[01:49] <James147> Avihay: some things you might want to do are, disable unused desktop effects, disable unused plugins in krunner, disable nepomuks indexer (if you don't use it)
[01:50] <Avihay> disabling nepomuk was hard
[01:52] <James147> Avihay: also, try installing kubuntu-low-fat-settings as it will enable options (or rather, disable stuff) to reduce memory usage
[01:53] <CheckIn> James147: Nope Though it does sandbox Flash now
[01:54] <CheckIn> Avihay: I don't know how much you can liv without it but when I was running KDE from 4.0 to 4.3 I just turned off the desktop and only used krunner
[01:54] <CheckIn> No menus no backgrounds etc
[01:54] <Avihay> turned off the desktop?
[01:55] <Avihay> no plasma shell then?
[01:55] <CheckIn> Avihay: Right
[01:55] <CheckIn> Pretty much everything I needed I can get to it through krunner but I don't knwo if that is the same for you
[01:56] <Avihay> no, I can't live without a full shell
[02:06]  * Avihay starts to stare at razor-qt
[02:10] <Avihay> no activities, right? ... :-<
[02:12] <CheckIn> Avihay: oooh right..
[02:12] <CheckIn> Avihay: Actually wait. Doesn't Kwin manage activities?
[02:14] <Avihay> well, there's this kactivityd that used to leak my memory dry and spam xsessionerror
[02:17] <Avihay>  "it is supposed to worked with an existing window manager. The Razor-qt developers prefer Openbox, but it can work with everything else, from Kwin to fvwm."
[02:19] <CheckIn> Razor-qt isn't bad if you can't get more memory
[02:19] <CheckIn> and I suppose don't want to turn of KDE stuff
[02:21] <Avihay> mmm, problem is, I'm probably in love with the KDE DE. I can't find any other explanation why I have put up with it for this long
[02:22] <JMichaelX> i hope razor-qt takes off. i have been hoping for a lighter-weight Qt-based DE for a long time
[02:22] <JMichaelX> some aspects of KDE are just out of control, in my opinion
[02:26] <CheckIn> Avihay: I understand :-)
[02:27] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: I've never understood why no other Qt majot projects exist. I've always attributed it to how easy it is work with KDE
[02:28] <CheckIn> Whereas there are 1/2 dozen looslely coupled Gtk big projects but none of them are easy to work with ;-/
[02:28] <Avihay> well, I guess the only other alternative to kde is xfce (if you want a full de)
[02:29] <JMichaelX> it is easy to work with KDE is what sense?
[02:29] <CheckIn> E! :)
[02:29] <Avihay> E as in enlightment?
[02:29] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: You just ask for a commit login and you get one a few minutes later with a space to work in
[02:29] <CheckIn> Avihay: Yes
[02:29] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: ok, gotcha
[02:30] <Avihay> tried, too alien, also not fully featured (first thing that hit me was the lack of a network manager), wierd input issues and rendering artifects...
[02:31] <JMichaelX> Avihay: there are several network managers to choose from. could't you just install wicd or gnome's network manager?
[02:31] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: Gnome in particular is pretty hard to get them to compromise on something they have decided on
[02:31] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i am sure that is true.
[02:32] <JMichaelX> i have never been a fan of gnome, for that and several other reasons
[02:32] <CheckIn> if anyone wanted to do any Work with a Qt project it's almost stupid to not join in with KDE rather than building your own thing
[02:32] <Avihay> I guess I could, it also had a good searching algorithm in it's launcher if I recall correctly
[02:33] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: there are a lot of people out there who feel that KDE is extremely bloated
[02:33] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: Hence Razor-qt
[02:33] <CheckIn> That's a pretty logical reason to start a brand new Qt project and so they have
[02:33] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: yes, which is not a KDE project to my knowledge
[02:33] <CheckIn> Extremely bloated may be an opinion but I don't know that there is much to back that up
[02:34] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: It's not. I don't think it uses any Klibs at all
[02:35] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: to be specific, i know that many people would love to give nepomuk/virtuoso/akonadi and the whole 'semantic desktop' the boot... including me
[02:35] <CheckIn> remove your clock from the desktop ^_^ done
[02:36] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i think you are wrong there.... that was the case until 4.7 or so, but i don't think it is anymore
[02:37] <Avihay> I'd actually use nepomuk if it didn't feel like churring my HDD for a few hours every reboot...
[02:37] <JMichaelX> Avihay: that and munching up RAM
[02:37] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: What's it tied into now?
[02:38] <daedalus> sorry for the quit/joins
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> really...
[02:38] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i will not insist that you are wrong, but when i try now to disable all of that, it throw (in classic KDE style) about 6 or 7 popup warning at me, all at once, upon starting a KDE session
[02:39] <SIR_Taco> once it's done it's first index, there should be little overhead. (and the initial indexing has been tweeked so as not to be such a pain)
[02:39] <Avihay> would have also been nice if nepomuk would get the hint, and stop running when you disable it from the kcm. removeing the exe's from /usr/bin feels so wrong
[02:41] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: I think it's tied into the calendar on the clock. I haven't tested in 4.8 (Really need to install that) but that should stop akonadi/nepomuk unless you use Kmail of course
[02:41] <CheckIn> (I do use Kmail)
[02:42] <Avihay> would also be nice if jovie would work properly or stop working if you tell it to...
[02:42] <JMichaelX> there was something that happened after one of the more recent rounds of KDE updates that really made disk access increase... then the next update seems to have fixed that. during the period before the last (4.8.1 ?) updates, my fan was running way more than it should
[02:42] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i will investigate that at some point possibly.
[02:43] <caronchen> Is there any way I can setup Kmail (Version 1.13.5) to use MS exchange server?
[02:44] <JMichaelX> my biggest issue with KDE is all of the problems with the task manager... i realize this is a Qt issue, but good grief is this annoying
[02:45] <JMichaelX> now there is a PPA that includes a patch for this problem, but in oneiric, the patch is only for KDE 4.7.4... which leaves out those using 4.8
 my biggest issue with KDE is all of the problems with the task manager...   that lasted for a few years, YEARS!
[02:49] <JMichaelX> Avihay: i have 6 machines running KDE 4.8... and all of them are plagued with that problem
[02:51] <Avihay> JMichaelX: I like the app name in my task manager, but I decided, now that kwin's compositing is reasonably fast on my intel gfx card, to see what kde has to offer, among other things, I tried the icons-only task manager
[02:51] <Avihay> it felt like I kinda betryed myself and gone the way of win7
[02:52] <JMichaelX> what is the icons-only task manager called? i am so sick of this task manager, i would be really to try about anything
[02:52] <Avihay> but, a task-manager that works fine, and has normal thumbnails, and even presents the windows from the same group
[02:53] <Avihay> I mean uses the present effect, only for that group
[02:54] <Avihay> I think it's called icons-only task manager
[02:54] <Avihay> that's what it says in the right-click menu
[03:05] <CheckIn> caronchen: Yes youc an Look for openchange I think
[03:07] <nafg> Avihay: Are you talking about a taskbar or a window switcher?
[07:50] <k1sm4c> Hello everyone
[07:51] <k1sm4c> I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with su and xhost
[07:52] <noaXess> morning
[07:52] <noaXess> all
[07:52] <noaXess> ;)...
[07:52] <noaXess> is there a translator widget instead of google translator which is deprecated and will no longer be updated?
[07:55] <elkng> the size of "kubuntu-11.10-dvd-i386.iso" is 3.2G, why its not full DVD 4.7G ?
[10:27] <TSK> Howdy
[10:28] <Tm_T> hello
[10:29] <TSK> Beta1, sweet...  Gettin' close to time for me to upgrade.  :)
[10:29] <TSK> Oooo.  It'sa LTS release, too.  Bonus.
[11:13] <McGuinnes> Hi
[11:13] <TSK> Greetings, McGuinnes
[11:14] <McGuinnes> in perl is: eval "require 'config.pl'" or die "Can't load config file\n"; obsolete? Did work for a couple of years ago ... :)
[11:15] <TSK> Might have more luck with that question over in #perl perhaps?  ;)
[11:17] <McGuinnes> well, maybe ;)
[11:18] <TSK> Personally, I know a whole lotta nothin' about Perl.  I'ma Python guy mostly these days.  :)
[11:21] <phloog> Cheers! How can I set the default font in acroread on Kubuntu 11.10? Is is some system-wide default font, or can it be configured in acroread itself somehow? I'm a bit lost...
[11:21] <phloog> (if no font has been embedded or set in the PDF...)
[11:22] <TSK> Wow.  I'm sorry.  I'm pretty useless today.  I don't know the answer to that question either.
[11:29] <James147> phloog: okular tends to use system fonts (and generally looks better then acroread)
[11:30] <phloog> James147: Okay, but acroread seems to use some very narrow thin font for me, I wondered where that comes from - that's why I asked.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:15] <diego123> hi all, I have a strange problem with my kubuntu 11.10. When I start my sesion, the screen turns console mode and shows periodically "[sda] CDB: 2:0:0:0: Read(10)" sentences. I left like this for hours, and didn't end it. Now I'm on recovery mode, but I want back to my user session. What happens? Thanks so much
[13:15] <Peace-> diego123: i am not sure but...
[13:16] <Peace-> diego123: i guess your harddrive has some problems
[13:16] <Peace-> diego123: maybe you should to repair it
[13:16] <diego123> Im using it right now
[13:16] <diego123> :S
[13:18] <Peace-> diego123: yes but there is some problem
[13:18] <diego123> I know :(
[13:19] <Peace-> it's yoour harddirver
[13:19] <Peace-> you shoudl try to see if there are errors
[13:20] <Peace-> diego123: this hd is sata?
[13:22] <diego123> I dont know
[13:23] <BluesKaj> diego123,  how old is the computer?
[13:23] <Peace-> !badblocks
[13:24] <diego123> 5 years
[13:24] <diego123> but always worked fine
[13:24] <BluesKaj> diego123,  then it;s most like ly an ide drive
[13:25] <BluesKaj> diego123,  run . sudo fdisk -l
[13:26] <diego123> done
[13:27] <BluesKaj> any errors?
[13:27] <diego123> no
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  any suggestions ?
[13:28] <Peace-> badblocks
[13:28] <Peace-> fschk
[13:29] <BluesKaj> is there a command to show them if they exist ?
[13:29] <Peace-> yes
[13:29] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[13:30] <diego123> What I can't understand is if the hard drive has problems, why I can use it within recovery mode?
[13:30] <Peace-> diego123: well recovery mode it's a way to try to fix the system
[13:30] <diego123> It must show the same problems too
[13:30] <Peace-> so...
[13:30] <diego123> ok ok
[13:31] <BluesKaj> fsck , gave some dire warnings about disk damage
[13:31] <BluesKaj> ifi continued
[13:33] <diego123> fsck sais "
[13:33] <diego123> WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
[13:33] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well you need to be sure you have not sensitive stuff
[13:33] <diego123> cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
[13:34] <Peace-> diego123: well ... you just don't do anything
[13:34] <Peace-> diego123: you should use a live cd to fix the system
[13:34] <Peace-> diego123: btw badblocks says you have problems ?
[13:34] <Peace-> right?
[13:35] <diego123> how I use badblocks?
[13:35] <Peace-> diego123: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[13:35] <Peace-> diego123: if you read it sasy
[13:36] <Peace-> diego123: sudo badblocks -v /dev/hda1 > bad-blocks
[13:36] <Peace-> that write your problems into the file  bad-blocks
[13:36] <Peace-> diego123: try to google better badblocks
[13:38] <diego123> running badblocks :)
[13:38] <diego123> 2.19%...
[13:39] <diego123> its too slow :)
[13:39] <noaXess> what is the alternative driver for nvidia grafic card? the open source one?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> if you have a large drive it will take a while
[13:39] <noaXess> nv? nouveau? what to install to replace nvidia-current?
[13:39] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj
[13:40] <noaXess> BluesKaj: Veromix does a good job ;)..
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yeah noaXess , i tried it but I don't need i
[13:40] <noaXess> it does not auto change from headphonfe to speaker if i plug out my headphone or vise versa... but i can do that over it's settings..
[13:40] <BluesKaj> it
[13:41] <BluesKaj> dunno much about veromix
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !veromix
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !info veromix
[13:41] <Peace-> !plasma-widget-veromix
[13:42] <Peace-> :D
[13:44] <BluesKaj> I suppopse if I needed veromix I would use it , but I'll keep it in mind for ppl with laptops
[13:44] <BluesKaj> seems to be a solution
[13:44] <Peace-> i have an old pc so..
[13:44] <Peace-> well notebook
[13:45] <BluesKaj> this pc is 4 yrs old
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Finally fixed the esata to sata connection.  Now I don't have to suffer the USB 2 speeds when transferring files
[13:50] <BluesKaj> but my lder pc in the den seems kaput ...think the mobo is in bad shape , altho it recognizes some peripherals like KB, mouse and cdrom drive , it won't boot past the bios screen :(
[13:50] <BluesKaj> older
[13:56] <bmoez_> what is the minimum memory of video  cart for running kubuntu well in my pc with 512Mo of Ram?
[13:56] <bmoez_> with 1024x1280 for screen
[13:59] <BluesKaj> usually 1G RAM is enough , some ppl get by with a little less , if you have a separate pci graphics card then 512 RAM might work
[14:00] <bmoez_> think you :)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> bmoez_,  I would definitely increase to at least 1G RAM for faster computing
[14:02] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:54] <rtdos> unless you can add memory to that video card :)
[16:10] <Laibsch> Is Jonathan Thomas around?
[17:33] <hemmy> hiyaa
[17:33] <hemmy> wassup
[17:40] <sayakb> hi, is there a way to set a static DNS server? i am using a mobile broadband connection.
[17:41] <sayakb> (and using the network management KCM module)
[17:58] <ubuntu> Hi, I'm on the Kubuntu 11.10 live cd, the installer just crashed on my while setting up a normal ext4 partition, http://pastebin.com/4WuXu1V7 , also html5 playback in the rekonq browser on youtube isn't working, the video and player loads but no audio/video, do the codecs not get loaded up in live disk or soemthing or is it the browser's fault? thx
[17:59] <ubuntu> Also just like to say from what I can see and from the way everything looks and feels this looks like it'll be the best KDE distro evar :D
[18:01] <GirlyGirl> ubuntu: Can you try the alternate installer ... it always seems so much more reliable
[18:01] <ubuntu> The alternative live cd?
[18:02] <ubuntu> omg i've just noticed you have to click the icons at the bottom of the KDE menu, that is genius I hate it accidentally switching on other distros <3
[18:04] <ubuntu> GirlyGirl, do you mean the alternative live cd?
[18:04] <GirlyGirl> no
[18:04] <GirlyGirl> alternate install cd
[18:05] <ubuntu> oh ok, damn, worse aspect of python is these bugs dont show up until it's put in production lots of times ;(
[18:06] <ubuntu> BTW it's rekonq failing at HTML5 youtube, firefox is doing it fine
[18:09] <ubuntu> BTW that installer crash happened while the desktop was loaded in live cd styleee, it installed correctly last night on a VM so it's either the fact i was in live cd, the fact I had rekonq on, something else weird like hardware or drivers, formatting as ext4, clicking other partitions while it was formatting as ext4 :P <comprehensive bug report ^o^
[18:12] <karam> hi
[18:38] <JMichaelX> anyone know of a Qt-based mpd client?
[18:43] <genii-around> !info qmpdclient | JMichaelX
[18:43] <genii-around> Hm
[18:43] <Sentynel> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients#Qt
[18:44] <genii-around> ( 12.04 has it but apparently not 11.10 )
[18:45] <JMichaelX> genii-around: just found that the qmpdclient website has .deb's
[18:46] <genii-around> Ah, good
[18:46] <JMichaelX> ach, but only i386
[18:47] <JMichaelX> oh well, i'll just keep relying on ncmpcpp
[18:48]  * JMichaelX feels that ncmpcpp is taking acronym-based app names to the extreme
[19:09] <{[ggmmk]}> I think the KDE network debug tools should be bundled, at full speed it just took me a while to download and I think it's preventing the program that caused the crash report to not work until it's finished :< 'tis a deterrent to help devs
[19:10] <Quintasan> {[ggmmk]}: There is only 700mb of space on CD, we can't afford to drop lang packs or some other applications just to add dbg packages
[19:10] <Sentynel> {[ggmmk]}: debug symbols aren't bundled precisely because they're huge; they wouldn't fit in the iso
[19:12] <Peace-> well there is dvd
[19:14] <{[ggmmk]}> Ah good point :P
[19:31] <Ojol> Hi, my Kubuntu just completely died, I'm pretty sure it all went wrong after changing to the recommended 3rd-party nvidia graphics drivers in the additional drivers program, I couldn't connect to jabber on kopete, the software center failed to start too, just instantly crashing and when I went to restart two programs crashed (background KDE progs)
[19:32] <Tm_T> none of that should have anything to do with nvidia drivers
[19:33] <Ojol> Not saying that but that all happened after I installecd the Recommended Nvidia drivers, lost connection to jabber then kopete crashed then all the rest ensued
[19:33] <Fanfare> Ojol: sound more like defect hdd or ram
[19:34] <Ojol> Something gave up on life once I switched drivers
[19:35] <Ojol> BTW can screen refresh rate cause people's perception to be abit weird? Apparently this monitor is running at 50Hz and not 60 for some reason and I'm finding the screen hard to look at
[19:36] <maco> yes
[19:36] <Ojol> Can anyone think why it's not giving me the options?
[19:37] <maco> Ojol: my stepbrother went "ahhh how can you stand this refresh rate?" the first time he used my mom's computer, and up'd it, because the flicker bothered him. I can see pixels refresh at 50Hz or maybe 60, but not 75
[19:37] <maco> have you tried rebooting since whatever happened?
[19:38] <Ojol> The reboot is what caused the two programs to crash and yes it's mostly alright except the 'Recommended' nvidia drivers aren't S*** lol since they think my monitor has to have 50-51Hz
[19:45] <Fanfare> Q: i have 2 identical machines, 1 with kubuntu as single OS, 2nd with win XP and kubuntu. Now, i have the impression that the 2nd system is much slower.
[19:46] <Ojol> I think it'd be a good idea to have a link in the System applications to Muon package Manager called System Update, I didn't really know where to do updates
[19:47] <Ojol> Also I wasn't prompted to do updates to my knowledge when I booted so it might be a good idea to have something make a scene in the system tray
[19:47] <Fanfare> Ojol: there is usually a yellow singn in lower right corner indicating available updates
[19:48] <Ojol> Nothing's there, I think there was for a little be after I first installed but it didn't do anything
[20:16] <Ojol> Hi, I've run Full Upgrade in Muon package manager but it's been on Running dpkg at 52% for a long time, will forcing it to close be catastrophic? :P (it has not activity in System Monitor)
[20:27] <asfyxia> Ojol, I've had something similar. I had to force a shutdown of the pc, restarted it, and finished it with sudo dpkg --configure -a.  Just got stuck on the dkpg stage
[20:28] <jussi> did you close muon?
[20:29] <jussi> Ojol: ^^
[20:30] <jussi> Ojol: also, which version of Kubuntu do you have?
[20:30] <Ojol> Yes
[20:31] <Ojol> 11.10, was trying to do updates from fresh install
[20:31] <jussi> Ojol: ok, how familiar are you with the terminal?
[20:32] <jussi> Ojol: please try the following command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f
[20:32] <Ojol> good point, should have done that in the first place
[20:33] <glosoli> anyone can  answer me which version of KDE is using Kubuntu 12.04 ?
[20:33] <Ojol> I'm used to debian-level-stability so I forgot Ubuntu can't be trusted in it's first days of a release xD
[20:33] <asfyxia> glosoli: 12.04 has KDE 4.8, you can install that as well on 11.10
[20:33] <glosoli> asfyxia, nah, i prefer testing things :D
[20:34] <glosoli> kind of an idiot I am
[20:34] <glosoli> :D
[20:34] <asfyxia> I've done that too ;-p
[20:34] <glosoli> asfyxia, are you on 12.04  ?
[20:35] <asfyxia> Nope, I'm on 11.10 with KDE 4.8 at this moment. KDE 4.8 is quite a step forward
[20:35] <jussi> glosoli: #ubuntu+1 is the place for 12.04 discussions and help :)
[20:35] <glosoli> jussi, ok sorry, don't be mad :)
[20:36] <jussi> glosoli: not mad, just trying to help you get the right place :)
[20:36] <glosoli> jussi, I am in ubuntu+1 for long time :)
[20:36] <glosoli> asfyxia, kde 4.8 have that thing like docked task manager or smth new that was introduced some time ago yes ?
[20:37] <asfyxia> I'm afraid that I don't know what smth is... I'm not using Kubuntu that long
[20:38] <asfyxia> But it has a docked activity manager, yes
[20:38] <glosoli> asfyxia, aa, never mind, gonna download it :)
[20:39] <asfyxia> glosoli: good luck, you're gonna like it ;-)
[20:41] <glosoli> asfyxia, sure i will :>
[21:21] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... using kubuntu 12.04 here ... bluetooth seems to be on but not working ( no send or recieve or even seen on other devices ) ... any help ?
[21:25] <rork> cobra-the-joker: official channel for 12.04 is #ubuntu+1
[21:25] <cobra-the-joker> rork: ok
[23:04] <Jarli> hello all
[23:04] <Jarli> got a question, whats the Xen app i need to download to create a virtal system?
[23:05] <KarmaComa> anyone knows how to get f.lux working on 12.04?
[23:05] <Jarli> I don't karma, you're probably mroe skilled a linux then I am
[23:06] <KarmaComa> virtualbox?
[23:06] <Jarli> no, im looking for the Xen client
[23:06] <KarmaComa> oh ok
[23:06] <Jarli> I see Xen tools and what not
[23:06] <Jarli> but not sure which one I need
[23:06] <KarmaComa> ok
[23:07] <Jarli> Any ideas?
[23:10] <Jarli> That and Kubuntu was just installed, and it has updates.... faster then windows to complain about those lol...
[23:12] <Jarli> ...
[23:14] <Jarli> damn it, just removed the main task bar....
[23:14] <Jarli> how do I add it back..
[23:16] <Jarli> anyone home
[23:16] <Jarli> ?
[23:18] <Jarli> what the crap, irritating...
[23:18] <KarmaComa> kubuntu?
[23:19] <KarmaComa> add panel
[23:19] <KarmaComa> right click on desktop then add panel
[23:19] <Jarli> the spacer between the left and right hand task bar, i removed it accidently
[23:19] <KarmaComa> add widget
[23:19] <KarmaComa> then taskbar
[23:20] <KarmaComa> task manager i think
[23:20] <KarmaComa> something like that
[23:20] <Jarli> it isn't finding anything..
[23:20] <Jarli> and I think muon froze... been at 42% for a bit now...
[23:21] <KarmaComa> it has nothing to do with you cant find the task manager
[23:21] <Jarli> When I search the catergories, nothing is found.
[23:22] <KarmaComa> its the widgets not categories!
[23:22] <Jarli> But there is nothing to select from is what Im trying to say
[23:22] <KarmaComa> unlock widgets
[23:22] <KarmaComa> add widget
[23:23] <Jarli> k add widget
[23:23] <KarmaComa> search for "task"
[23:23] <KarmaComa> you should find task manager
[23:23] <Jarli> nothing comes up..... under the task bar "add widgets" search "task"
[23:24] <KarmaComa> weird
[23:24] <KarmaComa> what version of kubuntu?
[23:24] <Jarli> 11.10
[23:24] <KarmaComa> it should be there
[23:24] <Jarli> trying a reboot, be back in a minute
[23:25] <Jarli> muon refuses to let me reboot... like really
[23:25] <Jarli> muon seems frozen and the bitch won't let me restart....
[23:26] <KarmaComa> that happens a lot with muon in the first system update
[23:26] <Jarli> ok... then hard reset?
[23:27] <KarmaComa> no other choices
[23:27] <Jarli> since I had to shoot my self in the face, blow my windows 7 os, and everything installed and then try again...
[23:27] <Jarli> awesome first impression lol...
[23:27] <KarmaComa> lol
[23:27] <Jarli> be bacj soon
[23:27] <KarmaComa> ok
[23:30] <Jarli> well im back
[23:31] <Jarli> got task manager back
[23:31] <Jarli> locked that freaking panel, lol
[23:32] <KarmaComa> hehe
[23:32] <Jarli> ugh....
[23:32] <Jarli> more muon is saying it may be broken when looking for updates... WTF
[23:33] <Jarli> f it, full upgrade, I have a terabyte.
[23:33] <KarmaComa> run that at terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:33] <Jarli> Why is another updater running damn it, and where is it...
[23:33] <KarmaComa> close any dpkg apps first
[23:34] <Jarli> I dont know how...
[23:34] <KarmaComa> and run that command in terminal then opem muon again
[23:34] <KarmaComa> open terminal
[23:34] <Jarli> have that open
[23:34] <KarmaComa> copy that: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:34] <KarmaComa> and paste in terminal
[23:35] <KarmaComa> and write root password
[23:35] <Jarli> running
[23:35] <KarmaComa> after it finishes
[23:35] <KarmaComa> close terminal and open muon again
[23:35] <Jarli> will do
[23:36] <Jarli> it appears is has a lot to do
[23:36] <KarmaComa> yeah it will fix all broken packages
[23:36] <Jarli> everything? like really. lol
[23:36] <KarmaComa> and maybe it will update the rest packages muon would do
[23:38] <Jarli> I bet you it's just reinstalling the OS while I watch.... it has a ton of things it's going through
[23:38] <ralf_> hi
[23:38] <Jarli> the scroll bar is about half an inch at the moment
[23:38] <ralf_> question
[23:38] <KarmaComa> not that much lol
[23:38] <Jarli> hi ralf_
[23:39] <ralf_> i use compiz as my main wm
[23:39] <ralf_> but i'd like to use the kwin decorator
[23:39] <ralf_> so i need to install the compiz-kde package
[23:39] <Jarli> that finished
[23:39] <ralf_> problem is, after installing, ccsm segfaults
[23:39] <Jarli> have muon open now as well
[23:41] <KarmaComa> you said you need to use kwin so why you need ccsm?
[23:41] <ralf_> only the decorator, not the fullblown wm
[23:42] <ralf_> kde-window-decorator
[23:43] <KarmaComa> i'm not so familiar with compiz sorry
[23:43] <Jarli> rekong sucks FYI, it opens like 30 pages, showing some thumbnail... whats the hell
[23:43] <Jarli> gotta reboot brb
[23:47] <Jarli> im back
[23:52] <Jarli> well lets see if this is the right Xen server
[23:52] <Jarli> 'crosses fingers'


[02:31] <ScottL> we had a bad thunderstorm come through and lost power for several hours
[02:33] <holstein> ScottL: :/
[14:35] <scott-work> astraljava: did you get all your changes made and luke update the metas?
[14:36] <scott-work> i ask because there was _one_ package that i realized i wanted to add yesterday and wasn't able to last night because of power outages due to weather
[16:11] <falktx> ubuntu is entering beta
[16:11] <falktx> I saw some package changes to reflect it (string changes)
[16:15] <wisevoyager> U means beta 11.10?
[16:22] <falktx> yes
[19:29] <astraljava> scott-work: cjwatson uploaded the seeds, but they missed yesteday's images. Should be in today's, but I haven't had time to check up on them yet. I'll do that in an hour or so.
[19:59] <astraljava> Images failed to build due to some weird debootstrap error. Asked on -release, hopefully someone can explain what's it about.
[20:34] <astraljava> As suspected, archive inconsistencies. Should work on tomorrow's build.
[21:39] <Kokito> howdy my US friends
[21:57] <astraljava> grr
[21:58] <astraljava> scott-work: What was that package that you mentioned? I made some changes to desktop, but can include others since we have plenty of time to get the seeds uploaded before the next image spin.
[22:00] <scott-work> astraljava: let me find the exact package name
[22:00] <scott-work> astraljava: it's zita-at1
[22:01] <scott-work> it should go into the audio-plugins seeds
[22:01] <scott-work> it will be okay if we dont' get it in but it would be really nice ship
[22:02] <Kokito> hey scott-work
[22:02] <scott-work> hi Kokito :)
[22:02] <scott-work> how are you doing?
[22:02] <astraljava> scott-work: Done.
[22:02] <scott-work> astraljava: capital!  :)
[22:03] <Kokito> still adapting, but doing well scott-work , and you?
[22:15] <scott-work> Kokito: i suppose okay, work is getting busy, but there's been some changes in ubuntu studio
[22:15] <scott-work> for the good i should add
[22:15] <scott-work> Kokito:  an event happened that pushed several of us to greatly articulate what we feel the audience and goals should be for ubuntu studio
[22:15] <scott-work> which had actaully been lacking
[22:16] <Kokito> that's cool/ is that some kind of focus shift? or just an articulation?
[22:19] <scott-work> i would say a little of both
[22:19] <scott-work> i think some thought we served a different audience
[22:19] <scott-work> also, no one had clearly articulated it before
[22:19] <scott-work> we have now
[22:19] <scott-work> i hope to do so on the mailing list as well this weekend
[22:29] <scott-work> rolling out and heading home
[23:49] <astraljava> Don't think I'm seeing the same results on a local germinate run when compared to buildd. So, just gotta keep experimenting later on. But meanwhile, TheMuso, could you please upload our seeds again for Friday's (26th) images? Thanks!