[00:00] <BUGabundo> along with several other dozens peeps
[00:01] <bjsnider> you have peeps?
[00:02] <h3sp4wn> I don't know what people see in chrome os (Android yes but using a browser all the time no thanks don't like having to use an ajax xterm clone (thats bound to be buggy)
[00:03] <bjsnider> all software has bugs
[00:04] <h3sp4wn> Yeah but at least the people writing xterm know what they are doing
[00:05] <h3sp4wn> bjsnider: Tex is pretty bug free
[00:05] <bjsnider> google's hackers a pretty good at what they do
[00:05] <bjsnider> i'm confident they know what they are doing
[00:07] <h3sp4wn> I am not time will tell - Rather just have android and native apps (intel's android looks interesting)
[00:08] <h3sp4wn> I think MS is doing as well as anyone for browsers these days (neither mozilla or google want to make it easy for people to stop being tracked)
[00:09] <bjsnider> i'm sure there's some extension for that
[00:09] <bjsnider> ...like trackmenot
[00:09] <bjsnider> which has been around for many years
[00:09] <h3sp4wn> There is but I want it to be the default
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> And built in to the browser
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> (firefox had this code working and the CEO got it reverted)
[01:15] <taneli> who is the "proxy" user and why does he show up on the login screen?
[01:45] <MTecknology> The following NEW packages will be installed: libgirepository-1.0-1{a}   The following packages will be REMOVED: libgirepository1.0-1{a}
[01:45] <MTecknology> interesting..
[01:46] <rww> not really
[01:46] <Volkodav> heh
[01:46] <rww> "Renamed libgirepository1.0-1 to libgirepository-1.0-1 to match Debian and use their kindly provided provides/replaces/conflicts." ~ debian/changelog
[03:56] <Andre_Gondim> I forgot the name of the program to report bug, what is the name?
[03:56] <Pici> ubuntu-bug ;)
[03:57] <Pici> or did you mean apport?
[03:58] <Andre_Gondim> apport, that's the name, thanks
[03:58] <Pici> np
[03:58] <Andre_Gondim> doesn't have apport ar natty?
[03:58] <Andre_Gondim> doesn't have apport at natty?
[05:19] <F3RR1S> Sometimes I make things way to complicated....
[05:20] <F3RR1S> for example, I went through the whole "edit fstab, smb.conf files" when all I really needed to do was click "Places> "Connect to Server" and enter the IP address... and the share works flawlessly...
[06:14] <maurer_1> I decided to try Natty, like I have with all the previous releases, but this one is different--it didn't just have some broken apps/libs, the entire UI no longer functions (wirelss config, run command, etc.)
[06:14] <maurer_1> Is there a clean way for me to switch back to gnome-panel without downgrading, or do I just need a script that kills unity and starts gnome-panel?
[06:36] <MTecknology> heh.. so xfce4-power-manager has been updated but xfce4-power-manager-data hasn't been
[08:18] <coz_> good day all
[08:21] <juk> so hey, hi, i can't log in to ui sessions, currently i'm in ctrl+alt+f1 session, after upgrade
[08:30] <juk> !bugs
[08:30] <juk> !bug
[08:45] <juk> anyone had an issue gdm bouncing back to login screen after black flashing?
[08:49] <coz_> juk
[08:49] <coz_> juk,  you mean you put in your password and it comes back up?
[08:50] <juk> coz_: yes
[08:50] <juk> coz_: after flashing
[08:50] <coz_> juk,   I believe that was fixed....did you do   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:51] <juk> coz_: i'm in +1 already
[08:52] <juk> coz_: no i didn't
[08:53] <juk> coz_: well update and upgrade did it been like month since dist upgrade
[08:54] <juk> coz_: i'll get back you
[08:54] <coz_> ok
[09:05] <coz_> ok
[09:05] <juk> coz_: sup
[09:05] <coz_> juk,   had to restart
[09:05] <coz_> juk,  seems there are a few issues with nvidia-settings
[09:08] <juk> nvidia such a pain in the ars, never would buy nvidia card if i knew that
[09:10] <coz_> juk,  well i still prefer them... just apparenlty the new nvidia-settings is a bit  querky
[09:15] <juk> coz_: well, guess gotta check out old nvidia settings, see you
[10:55] <juk> nvidia module rebuild didn't help, getting kicked back to login screen
[10:56] <juk> help anyone
[10:57] <juk> i think it isn't nvidia module issue at all
[11:03] <juk> anyone else gets kicked off to pink login screen after logging in
[12:09] <mmdadawow> hi, will it be possible to put the window buttons on the right in 11.04 UnityDesktop?
[12:09] <sagaci> mmdadawow: should be
[12:09] <mmdadawow> and change the orange into blue?
[12:13] <sagaci> that may be hardwired
[12:13] <sagaci> or themed
[12:14] <mmdadawow> id like to be able to have my window buttons on the right tbh
[12:20] <penguin42> mmdadawow: I'm fairly sure you can change it via gconf
[12:20] <mmdadawow> hopefully unityDesktop allows it
[12:22] <penguin42> yeh it doesn't seem to have changed that
[12:22] <mmdadawow> and it wont give any issues when they're in  the upper panel?
[12:23] <mmdadawow> penguin42: are you on Natty by any chance?
[12:23] <penguin42> yes
[12:24] <mmdadawow> would you mind trying to put them on the right and screenshot it for a maximized app?
[12:24] <penguin42> I actually do have them on the right - but I changed them ages ago
[12:24] <mmdadawow> ?
[12:25] <penguin42> This machine is an upgrade from Maverick and I had them on the right in Maverick after Maverick changed them
[12:26] <mmdadawow> so ur saying u cant put them on the right anymore?
[12:26] <penguin42> no, read what I've said - I'm saying I've already got them on the right
[12:26] <mmdadawow> oh ok (sorry, my English)
[12:27] <mmdadawow> would you mind screenshotting then?
[12:28] <penguin42> no need, they're on the right
[12:29] <mmdadawow> i mean so i can see how it looks like when the app is maximized?
[12:29] <mmdadawow> do the menus take the blank space and get the buttons next to them? that'd be inconsistent
[12:30] <mmdadawow> or do they appear just next to the indicators?
[12:31] <penguin42> my natty installation isn't that stable, so I'd wait until it is things probably will still change
[12:35] <mmdadawow> ok
[12:35] <mmdadawow> hopefully they won't lock it or make it be stupid if i change them to the right
[13:35] <coz_> hey guys  ...current update...as of now...want to remove  ubuntu -desktop and unity O)
[13:41] <UndiFineD> for some that can mean progress :P
[14:15] <PoKrAk> hello i want now is available e17 ecomorph for ubuntu natty sources ??
[14:18] <yofel> current e17 is
[14:18] <yofel> !info e17
[14:18] <PoKrAk> !info ecomorph
[14:19] <PoKrAk> buu i wat this
[14:19] <yofel> what's that?
[14:19] <PoKrAk> enlightenment witch compiz
[14:19] <UndiFineD> sounds scary
[14:19] <PoKrAk> e17 i have now
[14:20] <jMCg> The reason I upgraded to Natty was somebody in #systemtap telling me that maybe the new Ubuntu release will have support for CONFIG_UTRACE. Well, it does not.
[14:21] <jMCg> I'm wondering if it's planned to introduce it.
[14:21] <yofel> what's utrace?
[14:22] <PoKrAk> ecomorph is used in elive and opengeu
[14:23] <jMCg> yofel: http://lwn.net/Articles/224772/
[14:23] <jMCg> i.e.: Something to make SystemTap a bit more useful.
[14:24] <PoKrAk> someone know something about ubuntu natty and ecomorph ??
[14:24] <yofel> jMCg: you could ask in #ubuntu-kernel if they know if it'll be there for natty if someone's online there
[14:25] <jMCg> yofel: ACK.
[14:47] <alex_mayorga> latest kernels are panicking on me, tips?
[14:48] <IdleOne> boot to older kernel
[14:49] <alex_mayorga> IdleOne: I'm now on 2.6.35-23-generic
[14:50] <alex_mayorga> how do I report the problem?
[14:50] <IdleOne> !bug
[14:58] <alex_mayorga> !linus
[14:58] <alex_mayorga> !linux
[15:08] <phoenixfirebrd> hi using kubuntu11.04  kde  beta 2. dolphin detects every drive twice and only one of that 2  is working
[15:09] <phoenixfirebrd> ping
[15:10] <Sir_Konrad> phoenixfirebrd, probably not going to get much support for Kubuntu here, sadly. :(
[15:10] <phoenixfirebrd> Sir_Konrad: oh
[15:10] <Sir_Konrad> I don't use it, so I don't know..
[15:10] <IdleOne> phoenixfirebrd: there is a #kubuntu+1 also
[15:10] <phoenixfirebrd> Sir_Konrad: ok
[15:10] <Sir_Konrad> IdleOne, it's invite only.
[15:10] <IdleOne> oh
[15:11] <IdleOne> well, stick around and someone might answer
[15:11] <Sir_Konrad> I'm moving over to Unity right now. :P
[15:11] <phoenixfirebrd> Sir_Konrad: are you sure that there is kubuntu+1, last time i tried i ended up here
[15:11] <IdleOne>  Cannot join #kubuntu+1 (Channel is invite only).
[15:11] <Sir_Konrad> Exactly. I'm sure *someone* in here is also in #kubuntu+1
[15:11] <phoenixfirebrd> Sir_Konrad: how is unity in usablity ?
[15:11] <Sir_Konrad> phoenixfirebrd, it's quite good actually! I was surprised, since I was a bit skeptical.
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> I don't think the #kubuntu+1 channel is official
[15:12] <charlie-tca> I think #kubuntu+1 forwards to here, doesn't it? This is the official support channel for all official +1 builds
[15:13] <phoenixfirebrd> ya
[15:13] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, I would think so, but I keep getting an invite-only message...
[15:13] <phoenixfirebrd> perhaps i should try in kde+1 ?
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Might just have to wait for someone who knows, instead of sending a person all over looking for answers in wrong channels.
[15:14] <IdleOne> Sir_Konrad: you get that message because you are already here
[15:15] <Sir_Konrad> Hmm... ok. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. :-\
[15:17] <IdleOne> actually, I believed I caused it
[15:20] <yofel> phoenixfirebrd: I think that's because one drive comes from hal and one from udisks, try to remove hal, k3b should be the only thing that still needs it
[15:20] <phoenixfirebrd> yofel: ok
[15:28] <Sir_Konrad> Ok guys, talk later. Gotta get to school.
[15:28] <rork> phoenixfirebrd: for what it's worth I had the same problem, you can safely hide one of the duplicates, the other will stay. Didn't file a bugreport/try to fix it.
[15:30] <phoenixfirebrd> yofel: worked for me
[15:30] <phoenixfirebrd> yofel: thank you
[15:30] <phoenixfirebrd> rork: i am using this just for testing
[15:31] <phoenixfirebrd> rork: i wont be using k3b, so no problem
[15:47] <martinjh99> Got a problem - Downloaded the Desktop ISO which is 716Mb size - My Windows burning app won't burn it onto a cd as it is too big but wont burn it on a DVD either for some reason if I put a DVD in instead of a CD is this a known problem?
[15:48] <yofel> that the disk is oversized: yes, latter is probably an issue with the burning app
[15:48] <yofel> it actually says so on the download page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:49] <martinjh99> ah ok - thanks :) Like I said will try and burn it with k3b later then...
[15:51] <alex_mayorga> yofel: how to report kernel panics?
[15:52] <yofel> good question, check if there's something in /var/crash, if not, file a usual kernel bug or ask someone else in -bugs or -kernel for help
[15:53] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks
[16:07] <alex_mayorga> yofel: tried "sudo ubuntu-bug linux" per people at #ubuntu-kernel but get "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[16:07] <yofel> are you running a mainline kernel?
[16:07] <alex_mayorga> guess I have a "pirated" copy of natty here :(
[16:07] <yofel> or is you apt-cache broken?
[16:08] <yofel> alex_mayorga: or simply pastebin the output of: $ apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)
[16:09] <alex_mayorga> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541924/
[16:10] <alex_mayorga> had to resort to this version as <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> both panic
[16:11] <yofel> alex_mayorga: you'll have to update I fear, you're running 23.40 while latest maverick-updates is 23.41
[16:11] <yofel> (or break apports sanity check, but that's not really genuine ubuntu then either :P)
[16:12] <alex_mayorga> how
[16:12] <yofel> alex_mayorga: just install updates I think?
[16:12] <alex_mayorga> how do I update the maverick kernel if my sources are now all natty?
[16:12] <yofel> or is that impossible
[16:12] <yofel> oh..
[16:13] <yofel> let me think (of something different than changing sources back)
[16:13] <alex_mayorga> if I try System>Update I get the partial thing
[16:13] <yofel> alex_mayorga: where do they panic btw? or does it simply hang
[16:13] <alex_mayorga> according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick-updates/linux my version is legit
[16:14] <yofel> alex_mayorga: that's not the problem, you don't have maverick-updates in the sources -> invalid
[16:14] <yofel> apport doesn't do an online check but uses your apt cache
[16:14] <alex_mayorga> yofel: at boot in one it sais something about scheduling while atomic on gdm
[16:20] <alex_mayorga> and on .8 it doesn't even get to gdm
[16:21] <yofel> can you drop to a tty with -7 or is it frozen?
[16:21] <alex_mayorga> yofel: how do I get back here?
[16:21] <yofel> ah well, either add maverick-updates to your sources and update the kernel and then report
[16:22] <yofel> back here from where?
[16:22] <alex_mayorga> yofel: didn't quite get the tty with -7
[16:23] <yofel> second (unofficial) option: open /usr/share/pyshared/apport/packaging_impl.py, go to line 150 (last line of is_distro_package()) and change False into True, that'll break apports genuine check
[16:23] <yofel> alex_mayorga: can you change to a tty with ctrl+alt+f2 with 37-7 ?
[16:24] <alex_mayorga> yofel: yup I can
[16:25] <alex_mayorga> ctrl+alt+f2 gets me to a terminal ctrl+alt+f7 gets me back here
[16:25] <kukuNut> daily build stopped at 12/06?
[16:25] <yofel> alex_mayorga: I meant, can you do that with the natty kernel that get's to gdm?
[16:25] <alex_mayorga> I'll have to reboot to try that
[16:26] <alex_mayorga> but I don't think so I get flashing keyboard LEDs and unresponsive keyboard so I don't think that would work
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> how can I get the complete line to add maverick-updates to my sources?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> kukuNut: yes, until the python merges finish, I believe
[16:27] <yofel> sec
[16:27] <yofel> alex_mayorga: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates main restricted multiverse universe
[16:27] <charlie-tca> kukuNut: actually, the desktop build stopped, the alternate seems to be updated for today
[16:27] <kukuNut> charlie-tca: ok thnks
[16:28] <alex_mayorga> yofel: System> Administration > Software Sources, right?
[16:29] <yofel> yes
[16:32] <alex_mayorga> that didn't add anything
[16:34] <yofel> then add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, haven't used software-properties in ages
[16:37] <kukuNut> alex_mayorga: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the maverick-updates line
[16:38] <alex_mayorga> kukuNut, yofel: let me try editing that one by hand
[16:38] <alex_mayorga> should I comment out everything else
[16:39] <yofel> no
[16:40] <phoenixfirebrd> having problem with  bluedevil . not able to browse my mobile
[16:40] <phoenixfirebrd> i am using kubuntu 11.04, kde 4.6 beta 2
[16:40] <kukuNut> alex_mayorga: or in admin->synaptics->settings->softwaresources- update tab - enable whatever you want
[16:41] <yofel> kukuNut: he's trying to add maverick sources to natty, the gui won't help there much
[16:41] <kukuNut> yofel: ohh.. sorry.
[16:41] <kukuNut> but what for?
[16:42] <yofel> kukuNut: trying to update the maverick kernel so apport will let him report that the natty kernels panick
[16:43] <kukuNut> yofel: there is an 'add' button where you can add whatever..cut and paste
[16:43] <yofel> alex_mayorga: ^ that didn't work?
[16:46] <alex_mayorga> yofel: adding deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates main restricted multiverse universe
[16:46] <alex_mayorga> should I just replace natty for maverick on /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[16:46] <kukuNut> yofel: I just did and it works
[16:47] <yofel> well, you could, then update, reboot, report bug, and change back
[16:47] <kukuNut> alex_mayorga: are you crazy?
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> kukuNut: a little I guess, I'm using alpha software after all, right? :D
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> yofel: I should take just the kernel right?
[16:48] <yofel> all it should update is the kernel, everything else is already higher for lucid
[16:48] <yofel> s/lucid/natty/
[16:49] <kukuNut> alex_mayorga: just get the mainline kernel for maverick and install
[16:49] <yofel> kukuNut: that won't help with reporting the bug
[16:49] <kukuNut> get it from packages.ubuntu.com
[16:50] <yofel> since apport is too stupid for such cases
[16:50] <yofel> well, I have to go for a while, bbl
[16:51] <alex_mayorga> yofel: thanks for the help
[16:56] <phoenixfirebrd> anyone using kubuntu?
[16:57] <phoenixfirebrd> problem with qapt
[16:58] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: don't know qapt
[16:58] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: I use apt-get
[16:59] <phoenixfirebrd> when i started amarok, it asked for optional installation of restricted codecs, i proceeded to install by clicking ok, then qapt popped up and is displaying a message Title:qapt batch installer,Message: waiting for authorization
[17:00] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: i think it is a bug in qapt
[17:00] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: are you using kubuntu?
[17:01] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: I saw that the first time Amarok started and didn't see any problem
[17:01] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: did you install the restricted codecs when it asked for it?
[17:02] <kukuNut> yes
[17:03] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: may be the problem was because i answered the request after a long time.
[17:05] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: could be but amarok ususally bugs me about the flash so I just say don't bother anymore
[17:06] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: ok
[17:07] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: you can install them manually with apt-get though -  I believe those are ffmpeg xine..just take note of what they are
[17:07] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: xine?
[17:08] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: did you mean gstreamer?
[17:08] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: libxine-ffmpeg
[17:09] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: does 11.04 use xine as backend?
[17:09] <kukuNut> phoenixfirebrd: phonon as backend but xine is for mp3 i think
[17:10] <phoenixfirebrd> kukuNut: ok
[17:34] <TDT> hi guys
[17:34] <TDT> is the Wubi bug fixed on Natty alpha yet?
[17:50] <MTecknology> wow.. there's a lot of breaking going on in natty, huh
[17:52] <TDT> what do you mean?
[17:52] <MTecknology> at least for my systems, there's a lot of broken apps right now - especially wireless tools
[17:53] <rww> alpha release is alpha :\
[17:53] <TDT> well, it's an alpha...
[17:53] <MTecknology> are we already to alpha.. wow
[17:54] <MTecknology> 8 days into it, heh
[17:55] <MTecknology> aight- time to go do some heavy lifting (apparently a ruptured disk doesn't have me in enough pain already-i need to add to it)
[18:05]  * charlie-tca thinks a lot of breakage in alpha is good! keeps it from being breakage in beta
[18:21] <alex_mayorga> blank network and bluetooth panel anyone?
[19:52] <nperry> Hmm, lost all the applets in unity..
[19:52] <nperry> Still got them in classic session :/
[20:13] <zanus> http://forums.flingbits.com/topic/115-i-have-no-login-screen/  Anybody have any idea on this?
[20:15] <genii-around> Hello. I have 11.04 server 64bit, clean LAMP with ssh install. Primarily in use for a CCTV box. init freezes during shutdown every time right after stopping MTA. This a known bug or so?
[20:15] <genii-around> Is there an upstart log someplace?
[21:17] <zanus> anybody http://forums.flingbits.com/topic/115-i-have-no-login-screen
[21:18] <bazhang> zanus, on 11.04?
[21:21] <IdleOne> from that link you posted it says you "messed" with plymouth...undo the mess
[21:21] <IdleOne> also 10.10 support in #ubuntu
[22:27] <kklimonda> hmm, is unity broken? I get an empty desktop when I launch it through the gdm
[22:28] <penguin42> kklimonda: Is it still installed? AN update earlier today removed unity and ubuntu-desktop
[22:29] <kklimonda> yeaj, it is
[22:33] <penguin42> it's certainly very flaky for me when it was installed
[22:35] <coz_> penguin42,  I think that has been resolved
[22:37] <alex_mayorga> broken notification panels anyone?
[22:37] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  did you recently do an dist-upgrade?
[22:37] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: I have the same issue
[22:37] <alex_mayorga> coz_: not really, should I?
[22:38] <coz_> alex_mayorga,   generally with a prerelease  a   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be warranted at least once a week
[22:38] <coz_> but
[22:38] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  to day may be an exception
[22:38] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  as mentioned....earlier today  it would have removed unity
[22:39] <alex_mayorga> unity doesn't work for me anyway
[22:39] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  right now a  dist-upgrade wants to remove  libpolkit-qt
[22:39] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  it doesnt work?
[22:39] <alex_mayorga> no, if I launch it I get no panels
[22:40] <coz_> alex_mayorga,   ah ok then install gmrun   and assign a keyboard shortcut to that in compiz  I use  alt+F3
[22:40] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  then run     gnome-wm --replace
[22:41] <alex_mayorga> my problem is that video acceleration doesn't work for my card
[22:41] <coz_> alex_mayorga, in unity there is only one panel at the top and the side shortcut panel  ....right?
[22:41] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  ah ok ,,,which video card is this?
[22:42] <alex_mayorga> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 230M] (rev a2)
[22:42] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  and the nvidia-current driver doesnt work for that?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> heya
[22:42] <BUGabundo> good news, my work contract was renewed !! WOOT
[22:42] <alex_mayorga> haven't tried it lately
[22:42] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: good for you
[22:43] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:43] <coz_> ok I have to break here....be back later
[22:43] <coz_> BUGabundo,  cool news guy  congratulations
[22:43] <BUGabundo> ***
[22:47] <guntbert> BUGabundo: congrats
[22:47] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:53] <dooglus> today's update: The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:53] <dooglus>   ubuntu-desktop unity
[22:53] <dooglus> huh?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> aahahahahaahah
[22:56] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:56] <BUGabundo>   libpolkit-qt-1-0{u}
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I don't have that
[22:56] <yofel> dooglus: you're not the only one with that
[23:00] <dooglus> yofel: any idea why it happens?
[23:00] <yofel> nope
[23:00] <dooglus> yofel: not that unity was working for me anyway...
[23:00] <yofel> temporary dependency conflict I guess
[23:01] <dooglus> I doubt those packages will ever get reinstalled though, unless I specificially ask for it
[23:01] <dooglus> and if I hadn't noticed they were being removed, I wouldn't know to reinstall them
[23:02] <dooglus> also, http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/new-us-cybersecurity-bill-could-threaten-free-software
[23:11] <penguin42> dooglus: They're back anyway now


[14:20] <waldo323> good morning
[14:21] <_stink_> yo
[14:22] <waldo323> cmaloney, getting back to you re cron scheduling, we have some tasks on particular days weekly, some on particular schedules.  I'd be most interested in spacing/neatly scheduling the weekly jobs which need to be run on particular days
[14:22] <rick_h> morning
[14:22] <waldo323> happy new year!  wondering when I
[14:22] <waldo323> will write 2017 instead of 2018 first
[14:26] <_stink_> when you writ eyour first check of 2018
[14:26] <_stink_> HAHAHA
[14:26] <_stink_> funny right, writing a check?
[15:05] <waldo323> not yet, I don't typically write them though, and I make use of things like date +%Y_%m_%d which should save me from messing it up for a while
[15:07] <jrwren> date -R 4 lyfe yo.
[15:49] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:49] <cmaloney> waldo323: I think you might want to check into a job scheduler
[15:50] <jrwren> isn't cron a job scheduler?
[15:50] <cmaloney> It is, but something with a little more smarts than what cron has
[15:50] <waldo323> :)
[15:50] <waldo323> thanks
[15:51] <jrwren> because its not just multiple things needing schedules, it is state-interdependant multiple things needing schedules.
[15:51] <cmaloney> You also might want to look into something like Luigi: https://github.com/spotify/luigi
[17:12] <waldo323> thank you
[17:33] <goat-g> yeah, time of execution sounds like a needed bit here
[17:34] <goat-g> brousch: I got an email from joindiaspora re your birthday on the first :) assumed it was a fake bday
[17:37] <jrwren> goat-g: why are you a goat?
[17:40] <jrwren> `man timeout` limit the time something runs.
[17:42] <goat-g> jrwren: I decided to transition from irssi to weechat+glowing bear over break, not 100% happy with the config yet, so irssi is running with my real nick over in screen 0 :)
[17:43]  * goat-g switches nicks
[17:44] <jrwren> you could use `timeout -s STOP` and then manually examine why it took so long and stopped and then `kill -s CONT` to continue if you wanted to let it keep going.
[17:44] <greg-g> meh, me just kills irssi
[17:45]  * greg-g pours one out
[17:45] <jrwren> greg-g: poor irssi. I'm not ready for the leap just yet.
[17:45] <greg-g> :)
[17:46] <greg-g> I know, and I just put this awesome irssi sticker on my new laptop (well, in Aug)
[18:14] <cmaloney> heh
[18:14] <cmaloney> I've been rather happy with Weechat greg-g so if you need some pointers I might be able to help with the transition
[18:14] <cmaloney> and as always, dumb looks are free
[18:15] <cmaloney> s/dumb looks/blank expressions/
[18:17] <greg-g> :)
[18:18] <greg-g> rubby ducky mode? :)
[18:18] <greg-g> rubber*
[18:18] <greg-g> I don't want to rub anything
[18:19] <greg-g> cmaloney: what are your buflist settings?
[18:20] <greg-g> /set buflist.*
[18:23] <cmaloney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26308001/
[18:23] <cmaloney> I don't think I did anything special in there
[18:24]  * greg-g nods
[18:24] <greg-g> doesn't look like it
[18:24] <greg-g> what frontend do you use?
[18:24] <greg-g> (if any)
[18:24] <cmaloney> tmux
[18:24]  * greg-g nods
[18:24] <cmaloney> weechat-curses
[18:25] <greg-g> right right. Was wondering if you were a 100% glowing bear or whatever person
[18:25] <cmaloney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26308011/
[18:25] <cmaloney> a what?
[18:26] <cmaloney> No, I'm 100% terminal
[18:26] <cmaloney> via ssh
[18:26] <cmaloney> (though Glowing Bear looks rather nice)
[18:30] <greg-g> yeah, I'm doing glowing bear on my phone, and -curses via mosh+screen :)
[18:30] <cmaloney> Sweet
[18:32] <cmaloney> Also - Pro-tip: Do not accidentally substitute * for % in Python: print("foo %s" * bar)
[18:32] <cmaloney> That does not end well
[18:33] <greg-g> :)
[18:44] <jrwren> just more evidence that static type checking is good.
[18:47] <cmaloney> Nah, I likke juggling with fire. :)
[20:25] <_stink_> cmaloney++
[20:39] <Scary_Guy> But what advantages does cmaloney++ have over regular cmaloney?  Also, will Microsoft put out its own version of cmaloney#? :P
[21:25] <cmaloney> cmaloney#
[22:47] <greg-g> cmaloney: do you use the smartfilter for filtering out most joins/parts?


[11:08] <geordish> Morning
[11:08] <geordish> should squid-deb-proxy automatically be configured with the prefix from which your machines will be coming from?
[15:06] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy!!
[15:07] <rvba> roaksoax: hi Andres
[15:07] <roaksoax> rvba: So I was wondering. I need to install 2 different commissioning images
[15:07] <roaksoax> rvba: or the same image in two different
[15:07] <roaksoax> rvba: directories, but it doesn't let me
[15:08] <roaksoax> rvba: so i want to install images in commissioning/ and xinstall/ dir
[15:08] <roaksoax> it doesn't let me due to saying something like "these ephemeral images have already been installed"
[15:09] <roaksoax> or similar
[15:09] <rvba> What command are you running exactly?
[15:10] <roaksoax> rvba: let's say I do: maas-provision install-pxe-image "--arch=$arch" "--subarch=$subarch" "--release=$release" --purpose="commissioning" --image="$tmpdir"
[15:10] <roaksoax> rvba: let's say I do: maas-provision install-pxe-image "--arch=$arch" "--subarch=$subarch" "--release=$release" --purpose="xinstall" --image="$tmpdir"
[15:10] <roaksoax> (see the different purpose)
[15:11] <roaksoax> $tmpdir is the same image dir. It fails to install into xinstall because it already has installed the images into commissioning
[15:11] <roaksoax> rvba: which is right cause it doesn't make sense to copy the same images to a different tftp directory
[15:12] <roaksoax> rvba: however, we are adding a different purpose (xinstall) for installation using an ephemeral image (fast path installer)
[15:12] <roaksoax> rvba: so, i was wondering if it would make sense to add a parameter like --symlink="place-to-symlink-to"
[15:13] <roaksoax> rvba: so that: maas-provision install-pxe-image "--arch=$arch" "--subarch=$subarch" "--release=$release" --purpose="commissioning" --image="$tmpdir" --symlink="xinstall"
[15:13] <rvba> roaksoax: Where is the code for maas-provision again?
[15:14] <roaksoax> rvba: that's src/provisioningserver (maas-provision is just a wrapper that uses src/provisioningsrever)
[15:14] <rvba> roaksoax: ah right, let me have a look at that code.
[15:14] <bigjools> GOOD MORNING
[15:16] <roaksoax> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/maas_fast_path_installer --> this is what I'm adding so far
[15:16] <roaksoax> bigjools: morning!
[15:16] <roaksoax> bigjools: us time this week?
[15:16] <rvba> roaksoax: the path used to store the image already seems to include the "purpose" ('/'.join([arch, subarch, release, purpose]))
[15:17] <bigjools> roaksoax:  yeah I am in Austin
[15:18] <roaksoax> rvba: yes. So if I try to install an image dir to purpose 'commissioning' and then the same image dir to purpose 'xinstall', it will fail due to have 2 identical dirs (which is expected). However, I need to access the same commissioning images using a different purpose
[15:18] <roaksoax> rvba: so I was wondering if it was makes to add the --symlink option that basically does "if I install image with purpose commissioning, symlink that purpose dir into XYZ"
[15:18] <roaksoax> bigjools: cool!
[15:20] <rvba> roaksoax: maybe I'm missing something but what I see in the code is that the dirs should not be identical if when you install the same image to another "purpose".
[15:22] <roaksoax> rvba: Let's look at it another way. I need to use the 'commissioning' images for a different purpose ('xinstall').
[15:22] <bigjools> roaksoax: too cool, it's bloody freezing :)
[15:23] <roaksoax> so I need to symlink /var/lib/maas/tftp/<arch>/generic/<release>/xinstall to use /var/lib/maas/tftp/<arch>/generic/<release>/commissioning
[15:23] <roaksoax> rvba: ^^
[15:23] <rvba> Ah I see.
[15:23] <roaksoax> rvba: for that I'd like to add --symlink="purpose", which will do that (when using maas-provision install-pxe-image
[15:23] <rvba> Right now you only have the option so re-install it right.
[15:23] <rvba> ?
[15:23] <roaksoax> bigjools: heh  I don't think is that bad is it?
[15:24] <bigjools> roaksoax: it depends on your relative outlook :)
[15:24] <rvba> roaksoax: the part I don't get is why you get the error you're getting when you're simply trying to install the same image for a different purpose.  This should work all right.
[15:25] <rvba> roaksoax: having a symlink instead of duplicating the file is nice.  But it should be just an optimisation over installing the same image twice.
[15:26] <roaksoax> rvba: yes that's what I want to do instead of installing the same image twice
[15:26] <roaksoax> bigjools: heh.. I live in Florida so I feel you :)
[15:27] <bigjools> roaksoax: EXACTLY!
[15:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: it's 16C here and its cold for me
[15:28] <roaksoax> rvba: the error when trying to install $imagedir into 'xinstall' purpose *after* installing them into 'commissioning' purpose is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1559858/
[15:29] <roaksoax> rvba: but anyways I guess I'll simply add the --symlink option
[15:29] <roaksoax> since that does make more sense
[15:29] <rvba> roaksoax: Sounds like an useful optimisation.
[15:29] <roaksoax> rvba: cool thanks
[15:29] <rvba> roaksoax: but you should not be getting that error.
[15:29] <bigjools> roaksoax: you in Miami?
[15:29] <roaksoax> bigjools: yes I am :)
[15:30] <bigjools> warm :)
[15:30] <roaksoax> indeed :)
[15:30] <roaksoax> i love the weather
[15:30] <rvba> roaksoax: I'm looking into your error now…
[15:30] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah but i guess it is comparing all the already installed dirs to check if there's one installed already
[15:30] <roaksoax> rvba: cool thanks
[15:31] <rvba> roaksoax: it's not that clever :).  I suspect it's failing because of something else.
[15:33] <roaksoax> :)
[15:38] <rvba> roaksoax: when you install an image, the source gets cleaned up afterwards.  That's why the second run fails: it does not find the image to import.
[15:39] <rvba> roaksoax: if you duplicate the directory containing the images first and run the second import on the copy, it will work.
[15:39] <rvba> roaksoax: note that the symlink thing won't solve that pb :).
[15:40] <roaksoax> rvba: ah I see that now
[15:41] <roaksoax> clear
[15:41] <roaksoax> ls
[15:41] <roaksoax> err
[15:41] <rvba> heh :)
[15:41] <roaksoax> rvba: good catch though!
[15:41]  * roaksoax needs some coffee apparently
[16:55] <roaksoax> rvba: I have a question... say i have 2 node controllers and 1 region. In order for me to deploy 2 different networks (on of each of the cluster), do I still need to be accessible to the region controller?
[16:57] <rvba> roaksoax: not sure I understand the question… but every cluster needs to be able to contact the region if that's what you're asking.
[17:01] <roaksoax> rvba: so the clusters/region communicate through <IP_ADDRESS>/28, while I want each cluster to deploy on nodes using <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[17:01] <roaksoax> and <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[17:01] <rvba> roaksoax: that's fine, so the clusters will have 2 interfaces.
[17:01] <roaksoax> rvba: so they don't have to be able to contact the region then
[17:02] <rvba> Yes they do
[17:02] <roaksoax> rvba: so all the deployed nodes have to have 2 interfaces then
[17:04] <rvba> roaksoax: Either that or you need to add the appropriate routes so that they can contact the region through the cluster.
[17:04] <roaksoax> right
[17:22] <roaksoax> bigjools: there's no merge bot for packaging.precise.sru ?
[17:22] <bigjools> roaksoax: no, because it's not a recognised release branch
[17:22] <bigjools> it's an integration branch
[17:22] <bigjools> so you need to merge manually
[17:22] <bigjools> and push up
[17:22] <roaksoax> ok cool
[17:22] <roaksoax> thanks :)
[17:22] <bigjools> I turned on appendrevisions for it so it should be safe
[17:23] <roaksoax> cool!
[17:32] <roaksoax> rvba: btw.. it is now the cluster that runs the tftp server and stores the images ?
[17:32] <rvba> roaksoax: yes
[17:32] <roaksoax> ok cool
[19:24] <roaksoax> bigjools: btw... i was wondering whether you guys were planning to SRU the kernel_opts tag stuff to precise branch
[19:30] <roaksoax> t/win 9
[19:47] <roaksoax> matsubara: ping?
[19:47] <matsubara> roaksoax, hi
[19:47] <roaksoax> matsubara: howyd!! quick question. Have you played with tags much?
[19:47] <matsubara> roaksoax, yes, a bit. How can I help?
[19:48] <roaksoax> matsubara: a ny ideas? ubuntu@maas:/usr/share$ maas-cli admin tag update-nodes "xinstall" add=node01
[19:48] <roaksoax> { "removed": 0, "added": 0
[19:48] <roaksoax> }
[19:51] <matsubara> roaksoax, did you create the tag xinstall first?
[19:51] <roaksoax> yes
[19:51] <matsubara> also the doc says: The nodegroup parameter, which restricts the operations to a particular nodegroup, is optional, but only the superuser can execute this command without it.
[19:52] <matsubara> maybe you need the nodegroup parameter as well since you seem to be running with the ubuntu user
[19:52] <roaksoax> matsubara: yeah: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1560577/
[19:53] <matsubara> or node01 is not matching any node in your cluster. are you sure that's the system_id for the node?
[19:54] <roaksoax> matsubara: ah!1 that's why then
[19:54] <roaksoax> thanks for the info :)
[19:54] <matsubara> no problem :-)
[20:25] <bigjools> roaksoax: no plans to backport any tags
[20:29] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok
[21:51] <roaksoax> bigjools: why do I need maas-dns installed in order for the UI to not fail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1560879/
[22:02] <roaksoax> j/win 14
[23:39] <bigjools> roaksoax: well that sucks.  Ask rvb about it, he wrote the start up wsgi stuff.  I am a little surprised that this happens but it might be an untested setup :(
[23:54] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah anyways, I already filed a bug. I'll check with him tomorrow