[00:47] <afiestas> unitylogger: that's unity-2d:s?
[00:47] <afiestas> http://i.imgur.com/uKH3J.jpg <--talking about this
[00:47] <afiestas> the window got shadow :/?
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yeah, and the fix is in bzr. I just haven't done a release of quickaccess in forever
[01:25] <nixternal> only the launcher is qt right, not the entire unity-2d?
[01:25] <nixternal> nope, it is all qt. apt-cache ftw :)
[01:26] <nixternal> though, it deps on metacity :/
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> You playing with Unity nixternal?
[01:26] <nixternal> yes
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> I can't get it to show it in virtual box
[01:26] <nixternal> not to shabby to be honest. i kind of like the simplicity
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> and I'm not bothering to install it.
[01:26] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: that's cuz you need to use unity-2d :)
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah meh
[01:27] <nixternal> haha
[01:27] <nixternal> unity-2d is qt though
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Same... meh
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Oh nixternal you work with kubuntu bugs much?
[01:27] <nixternal> haven't in a year, but i am going to start just as soon as i get a new dev machine
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> I'm taking unitylogger idea of Kubuntu Starship Troopers and I'm going to run with it.
[01:28] <nixternal> wth is that?
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> Spent a lot of time talking to bug squad and yofel last night about it
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Starship Troopers... bug squashing
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Get a system going for kubuntu bugs. including filing a but with kde where needed.
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> little play on... nevermind
[01:29] <nixternal> JontheEchidna used to be the Starship Troopers then :)
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> I want to build a bit of structure to it.
[01:30] <nixternal> i almost had to mark JontheEchidna as a spammer because i would get way to many bug emails he was touching, fixing, and closing
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... after April 7th I'm kicking it off.
[01:31]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> How many fixes did you have nixternal?
[01:32] <nixternal> when i was active, a bunch. you can see how active i am, my karma is a whopping 85 :p
[01:32] <DarkwingDuck> No, I meant on the missing lappy
[01:33] <nixternal> back then though there was just Riddell, me, tonio, hobbsee, and another person or 2 who had access to KDE svn, so we were some fixin' mofos back then
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> I figured the bug thingie will give me something to do the other 48 weeks a year.
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> That and Kubuntu Community stuff.
[01:34] <nixternal> oh, ported all of the build stuff to cmake, which shrunk the package a little, stuff on development, such as adding a section about setting up an android environment, some office stuff I think, printing crap
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> oh nixternal... had a question. exporting the docs to html... how hard?
[01:36] <nixternal> export them to where?
[01:36] <nixternal> i lost that work too I think, as I don't remember committing them. docs2kubuntu.org
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> The XML to HTML
[01:37] <nixternal> make all
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> Another project I'm building.
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> help.kubuntu.org
[01:37] <nixternal> take a look at the make file
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> We will be adding video tutorials and screenshots there too
[01:37] <nixternal> yeah, for that you need to have the css, custom html headers, and such
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> I've been playing with web still since '96
[01:38] <nixternal> unless we just setup a file that includes('each-help-file.html') which gets to be a pain
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> still/stuff
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> I'll just build the docs and push out to the site
[01:38] <nixternal> building out docbook to a website is silly, need to have some sort of framework that can read the directories and generate the layout for us
[01:38] <nixternal> like we used to do on docs.ubuntu.com
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> So I'll build one.
[01:39] <nixternal> you have to fix all of the links
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> I need to include many other things too.
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> Naww, it'll do that.
[01:39]  * DarkwingDuck has a plan <EG>
[01:39] <nixternal> all links in docs are help://
[01:39] <nixternal> help:/ rather
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[01:39] <nixternal> i had a script that did this all already
[01:39] <nixternal> don't know if i ever committed it or not though
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> Where would you have committed it at?
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> LP:~nixternal?
[01:40] <nixternal> to a docs branch
[01:40] <nixternal> no, i didn't push anything there
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> Oh joy.
[01:40]  * DarkwingDuck goes LP digging
[01:40] <nixternal> if i did push it prior, then it should be in the latest branch
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> What's the translate script do?
[01:42] <nixternal> for when you pull in translations. you have to run that on all of the pot files, then go through and manually fix every document :/
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh. bugger
[01:42] <nixternal> it is, a royal pain in the ass
[01:42] <nixternal> it would seriously take me a couple of days of constant hacking to get translations built into a package
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> Wow....
[01:43] <nixternal> and that was all day hacking, probably 15 hours or more
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> But, it needs to be done after the tranlations are out right?
[01:44] <nixternal> correct
[01:44] <nixternal> i can't believe i used to build packages on this machine like 4 years ago :)
[01:44] <nigelb> heh
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, after the tranlastions come back can you give me a 101 on how to do that?
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> If I get it once I'll be good.
[01:44] <nixternal> oh, i could build on my server though, but that is a pain in the ass, as i would have to download them back to the machine and test with khc
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Or, write it down?
[01:44] <nixternal> i have to give myself a 101 on how to do them again
[01:44] <nixternal> been a while
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger
[01:45] <nixternal> that's something i need to rewrite one of these days, and come up with the proper way of doing translations, and not the old ubuntu-docs way
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> What, we do translations ourselves?
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> *wait
[01:46] <nixternal> i feel we need to possibly think up a new doc layout too and add just important stuff. there is stuff in our docs that just doesn't belong, besides being a little outdated, and so much stuff we need to add
[01:46]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[01:46] <nixternal> no, we download the translation tarballs for each doc from LP
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: mallard?
[01:47] <nixternal> then we used that script to import them into our docs branch, then the Makefile would build the translated docs as well
[01:47] <nixternal> we don't have any mallard support
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger
[01:47] <ScottK> Isn't mallard Gnome stuff anyway?
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> It is but, mallard is actually a really really awesome way of doing things.
[01:47] <nixternal> and i am not so much in the mood to rewrite khc to be honest. i wish i had been a bit more active a couple of months ago, because i would have put that up for a GSoC project
[01:48] <nixternal> ScottK: shaun from gnome created the spec yes, but it can be cross platform if we added the spec to khc/konqi/wtfever
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: the issue with the argument of "upstream docs are docbook" is null IMO. The licences between KDE Docs and Kubuntu Docs don't match
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> We use CC and they don't
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> I would LOVE to inport and mix the docs
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> Make things sooooooo nice
[01:50] <nixternal> yeah, that is a mess. cc is nice, but the whole it doesn't play nice with the gfdl sucks
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[01:50] <nixternal> wish we could just do 2 licenses, but that isn't possible unfortunately
[01:51] <nixternal> i could care less, it should be public domain anyways
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> And the doc team would have a heart attack if we switched just the kubuntu docs
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:51] <nixternal> everyone is treating it that way
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[01:51] <nixternal> you know how many ubuntu books are being sold at the local bookstore where all of the information came from either the official ubuntu book, wikipedia, or help.ubuntu.com? all of them!
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[01:52] <nixternal> is that all you can say now :p
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[01:52] <nixternal> come on, hit that up arrow and press enter :p
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> I did ;)
[01:52] <nixternal> i did that yesterday in the chicago channels telling them to keep a lookout for my laptop
[01:52] <nixternal> only problem is, i couldn't speak english nor spell remotely correctly
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Oh joy
[01:53] <nixternal> so people were doing, "Huh? why should we look for a laptop for you? find one yourself!" :)
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> I think it's funny I made it to a nixternal blog post.
[01:53] <nixternal> lucky for you i wasn't cussing you then :p
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know.
[01:53] <nixternal> hahaha, ass
[01:53] <nixternal> up, up, up, up, up, up, enter
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> Actually I don't think I have gotten on your bad side.
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> No... there is a . at the end of that last one.
[01:54] <ScottK> nixternal: We ought to have a license compatible with the upstream docs license (even if it means dual license) so that stuff that should rather be in their docs can land there.
[01:54] <nixternal> nobody in the community really has to be honest
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: +1,000,000,000,000,000
[01:54] <nixternal> ScottK: we would have to be gfdl, that's the only compaitble license for upstream
[01:54] <nixternal> if we were gfdl, then we couldn't use docs from the wiki then
[01:54] <ScottK> Sigh.
[01:54] <nixternal> well you can, you just have to reword everything, constructive plagerism :)
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[01:55] <nixternal> show me a writer who hasn't :)
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> Can we dual licence with gfdl and CC?
[01:55] <nixternal> nope
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> GARRRR
[01:55] <nixternal> cc & gnu == enemies
[01:55] <nixternal> you used to be able to with cc-by-sa 2.0
[01:55] <nixternal> 2.5 came around and gnu said no more
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> Too bad we don't have anyone who works on upstream docs that could talk to someone
[01:56]  * DarkwingDuck looks at nixternal
[01:56] <nixternal> only reason everything was switched over to cc in the first place, is because of the anti-hippy mdke :p
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> mdke....
[01:56]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[01:56] <nixternal> haha
[01:57]  * DarkwingDuck goes down to the copyright office to copyright all of his work :P:P
[01:57] <nixternal> it isn't a huge thing to be honest. we have stuff in our docs we need to shove upstream and remove from our docs. we are the authors of it, so we can change the license if we want, i could care less if it says Copyright (c) The Ubuntu Documentation Project
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> Let's toss another kink into the chain why don't we
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> I agree... I don't know why we can't change our licences
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> other then mdke would have a heart attack
[01:58] <nixternal> well, to be honest, cc-by-sa is way better than the gfdl
[01:58] <ScottK> Everything is copyright whoever wrote it less a formal copyright transfer anyway.
[01:58] <nixternal> with the gfdl you have to be careful with certain sections
[01:58] <ScottK> Copyright (c) The Ubuntu Documentation Project is unlikely to be legally meaningful.
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> Agreed...
[01:58] <nixternal> ScottK: plus if i were to write it in the upstream docs and commit it, nobody would say a darn thing
[01:58] <ScottK> Please stay away from gfdl invariant stuff.
[01:58] <nixternal> yup
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> I know ScottK
[01:59] <nixternal> that is the whole reason why the UDP ran away from the gfdl
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> I'm just frustrated
[01:59] <nixternal> though nobody could explain correctly what the hell invariant sections meant, not even the debian legal peeps
[01:59] <nixternal> or they would explain it in a way they only understood
[02:00] <ScottK> Well FSF is just kind of insane in the brain. Freedom to modify and reuse is essential except it's essential to not allow that in documentation.
[02:00] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: what are you frustrated with? we don't need to be bringing in stuff from kde docs into kubuntu docs anyways
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> bbiab... I have to chair a Loco meeting
[02:00] <nixternal> if there is something in our docs that would benefit everyone using kde, then we need to incorporate that upstream
[02:00] <nixternal> then we just link to it with help:/go-here
[02:00] <nixternal> much less writing and management for us then
[02:01] <nixternal> ScottK: yeah, and why they never updated the gfdl when they updated every other license is beyond me
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[02:03] <nixternal> holy hell, packaging has changed quite a bit in the past year for us hasn't it :)
[02:04] <nixternal> much easier to maintain, that's for sure, but different from my cdbs loving days of old
[02:05] <ScottK> Meh.  The only thing you can say about cdbs is it's not yada.
[02:06] <ScottK> I'm waiting for the Canonical management types to get to work on Monday and then read the planet.
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> Ohhhh, loco meetings are like watching grasshoppers
[02:11] <nixternal> what am i missing on the planet? i have to be overlooking that one post
[02:12] <nixternal> why does the schooltool icon portray what looks like a zebra taking a dump?
[02:13] <ScottK> https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/business-value-of-goodwill/ is the one I was thinking of.
[02:13] <nigelb> ScottK: :)
[02:14] <nigelb> ScottK: that expects the buisness types to actually read the planet.
[02:14] <ScottK> Not really, but there are managers that do.
[02:14] <nixternal> ScottK: such a little post, and will you get a hackergotchi already! i don't take the default icons to seriously :)
[02:15] <ScottK> Nobody wants to look at my ugly face.  You've already used up Kubuntu's quota.
[02:17] <nigelb> lol
[02:18] <nixternal> oh you ass
[02:18] <nixternal> that's why i have on sunglasses and a cycling helmet, hoping to hide some of that ugliness
[02:19] <ScottK> It leaks through ...
[02:19] <ScottK> Careful, you've got me started.
[02:19] <nigelb> oh, nixternal, did you group your new nickname? ;)
[02:19] <nigelb> darn, someone else already took it
[02:20] <nixternal> what is my new nickname?
[02:20] <nixternal> i can't remember it now
[02:20] <nigelb> mupett ;)
[02:20]  * nigelb runs
[02:20] <nixternal> oh, that is sabdfl's nickname
[02:20] <nigelb> haha
[02:21] <ScottK> The most interesting benefit of the Ayatana project to me is that there's now a lot less complaining Canonical doesn't invest more in KDE.
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> Someone tell me... why am I a lead in my loco?
[02:41] <ScottK> 'cause your an idiot?
[02:41] <nixternal> cuz you got suckered you silly little muppet! :p
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Yeesh
[02:42]  * ScottK high fives nixternal.
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> These grasshoppers....
[02:42] <nixternal> haha
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> I am not doing this again LOL
[02:42] <nixternal> see, i take all of the glory in being chicago's leader, when truth be told, nhandler does everything :p
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> However, I'll be dropping it at the next elections to take up more Kubuntu Community stuff
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> Well, it's nice that we have 3 people for California.
[02:43] <nixternal> he is my muppet!
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> Two are in the Bay area
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> and I'm alone for southern cali
[02:43] <nixternal> what about jono? isn't he like a community god or something? :p
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> He is in bay area and leaves of alone
[02:44] <ScottK> nixternal: 'or something'
[02:45] <nixternal> no comment
[02:45] <nixternal> frack, i am hungry and tired at the same time
[02:45] <ScottK> A couple of years ago I was in SF on a business trip and ran into him on the BART.  It was pretty odd.
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yeah.... you should have seen the convo we had about getting some kubuntu stuff in the store
[02:45] <nixternal> that whole jumping ahead an hour screwed me over
[02:45] <nixternal> i just looked at the store, holy hell could the prices be any higher? shit, half the stuff the shipping costs more than the item
[02:45] <nigelb> Ah, DST.
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> I HATE DST
[02:46]  * ScottK hands nixternal http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/JEST_results/
[02:46] <nigelb> I hate timezones :\
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> irssi is now set to UTC.
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> and I'm about to start doing everything in UTC and make everyone else do the math
[02:48] <nixternal> my bios is utc, that's about it :)
[02:48] <nixternal> oh lord, pi day tomorrow, or in a couple of hours. here come the shitty blog posts
[02:48] <nixternal> though they can't be any shittier than mine
[02:49] <nigelb> No, not really :p
[02:49] <nixternal> haha, ass
[02:51] <nixternal> eyelids are heavy, must....resist....sleep
[02:51] <DarkwingDuck> Phew, that's over with
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> bbiab
[03:07] <nhandler> nixternal: Who are you calling your muppet? ;)
[03:09] <ScottK> No, I think sabdfl called him a muppet in one of his recent blog posts.
[03:36] <nigelb> nhandler: lol
[08:40] <unitylogger> afiestas: no, that is unity
[08:40] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Brilliance!
[08:40] <Daskreech> We can name the KDE port of Unity DisKord
[08:41]  * unitylogger blinks and goes :O
[08:50] <bambee> morning
[08:51] <Daskreech> morning
[10:29] <unitylogger> !find libv4l2.h
[10:56] <Riddell> kunal: I got kwin to compiles with gles
[10:56] <Riddell> just needs set(KDE_MIN_VERSION "4.6.1")  changed in the top CMakeLists.txt
[10:57] <kunal> Riddell: i tried that, it gives error in plasma api
[10:58] <Riddell> kunal: I only compiled kwin, not the rest of kde-workspace
[10:58] <Riddell> however it breaks on running  KWin: The library /usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so is not a KWin plugin.
[10:59] <Riddell> so probably we should ask upstream mgrasslin about that
[11:04] <kunal> Riddell: ok
[11:06] <kunal> Riddell: how to contact him
[11:08] <Riddell> kunal: he pops up on IRC most days
[11:09] <kunal> Riddell: ok, the work i started with kdelibs to 4.6.40 any solutions for that
[11:09] <Riddell> kunal: we really want to avoid packaging unstable kdelibs if we can
[11:10] <kunal> Riddell: ok, mgrasslin is in which time zone
[11:10] <Riddell> you can adjust all the .install files until they match but it's an unstable version so it won't be guaranteed to work never mind be ABI compatible etc
[11:10] <Riddell> he's in Germany
[11:13] <kunal> Riddell: ok, i'll try
[12:52] <nigelb> for all those of you who say DST suck --> http://twitter.com/#!/noufalibrahim/status/47276296023191552
[12:54] <steveire> How do I file a task to patch akonadi in kubuntu? Bug against launchpad.net/akonadi?
[12:55] <steveire> Git patch linked here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/29862/focus=29949 Makes kdepim actually usable
[13:11] <ScottK> steveire: Bug against launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi.
[13:14] <steveire> Ok, thanks.
[13:19] <steveire> I'm glad that redirect thing is not there anymore when you click file bug. :)
[15:31] <Daskreech> sabdfl: ping
[17:20] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone could work on Bug 612682
[17:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you have any idea how often Planet polls blogs for new posts?
[17:39] <ScottK> I think ~10 minutes, but  that's a guess.
[17:39] <Quintasan> Hmm, strange
[17:40] <yofel> Quintasan: I did see your post on the planet
[17:40] <yofel> at least on RSS
[17:41] <Quintasan> http://identi.ca/notice/66977154
[17:41] <Quintasan> Repeat this please :D
[17:42] <ScottK> Quintasan: I saw that one too.
[17:42] <Quintasan> Seriously? I can't see it :O
[17:43] <yofel> done ;)
[17:44] <Daskreech> Quintasan: To who?
[17:44] <Daskreech> You covered every possible person who would be interested
[17:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's on the web site. http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[17:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, I'm saying I can't see it there, but if two people say it is I have to believe :)
[17:48] <Quintasan> But well, it's about the time I start doing my homework
[17:52] <Daskreech> Quintasan: just got it on Choqok :)
[21:44] <nixternal> Quintasan: does neon build kde* on mondays? Is it possible to have the build service not build on certain days? mondays are 'break libs day' :)
[21:46] <yofel> not really, the recipe builds as soon as the source imports get changes from git, but not more than ever 24h
[21:46] <yofel> there aren't any schedule settings there
[21:47] <yofel> gnomeshellogger: how's it so far?
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> broken
[21:48] <yofel> heh
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> incredibly insanely broken
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> I thought unity was bad
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> but this is something else!
[21:49] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: haha, you can't even logout or shutdown in there, and none of the buttons work for anything
[21:49] <Daskreech> nixternal: Yeah it's noted on the Gnome wiki
[21:49] <Daskreech> Init 0 is the recommended way to shutdown
[21:50] <Daskreech> or reboot from root
[21:50] <nixternal> who is the sucker who took on packaging kvirc? that was one of the shittiest debian packages ever once upon a time, and i am guessing it still is
[21:50] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: it is like a mockup really
[21:50] <gnomeshellogger> a live mockup
[21:50] <gnomeshellogger> very nice
[21:51] <yofel> hm, better or worse than KDE 4.0 ?
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> not exactly what you would expect with the version number
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> but I am used to that ^^
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> yofel: currently worse
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> but since brekage is pretty much limited to gnome-shell I would argue it is not as bad on a global scale
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> OTOH shit is crashing like mad
[21:51] <Daskreech> apps?
[21:53] <nixternal> kde 4.0 was at least usable :D
[21:54] <Daskreech> nixternal: Apps changed a lot though
[21:54] <leimy> I'll try not to mention the evil "d" word here :-)
[21:55] <nixternal> bah, gnomeshellogger is using gnome shell. for some reason i was thinking unity-2d. gnome shell worked for me, though i wasn't using the ubuntu packages, i tried it on fedora
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> kde 3.60 was also usable, no one believed me when I told them
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> in fact it was more usable than 4.0
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> but that is a story for another time
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: of the 3 unity-2d is actually working most reliable
[21:55] <leimy> Is there a good pointer to a document or something that can show me how the kubuntu release candidates get built?
[21:56] <leimy> I'm interested in the process.
[21:56] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: only you got no logout button and the me and sound menu goodness is missing
[21:56] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: i take it you haven't tried unity as of late? you can't do shit with it, you can't search apps, you can't shutdown/logout/reboot. you can only click on the buttons in the left hand launcher and pray that they work
[21:56] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: unfortunately there is not
[21:56]  * gnomeshellogger looks for his fluffy notes
[21:57] <nixternal> now windows 7 on the other hand. mmm mmm goodness :p
[21:57] <gnomeshellogger> hm
[21:57] <gnomeshellogger> no idea where that is
[21:58] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: debian-cd is involved, that much I remember
[22:00] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: well, basically it is a whole bunch of scripts + a file that describes what gets put in the ISO
[22:00]  * gnomeshellogger sorta oversimplified things ^^
[22:00] <leimy> That's a good start :-)
[22:00] <leimy> I was looking at remastersys.
[22:00] <leimy> http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/
[22:00] <gnomeshellogger> ah right
[22:00] <gnomeshellogger> ubuntu-cdimage is also involved
[22:00]  * gnomeshellogger seems to think there was a third tool at least
[22:01] <nixternal> i used to make my own ubuntu images back in the day. i used the stuff through gnusense. so much easier
[22:01] <gnomeshellogger> ah
[22:01] <gnomeshellogger> right
[22:01] <gnomeshellogger> livcd-rootfs
[22:02] <gnomeshellogger> well, I think that is about the core of it
[22:02] <gnomeshellogger> on top of that you stack a couple of seed files
[22:02] <leimy> Cool thank you both.
[22:02] <gnomeshellogger> and get an archive mirror
[22:03] <gnomeshellogger> and mess about with some of the scripts of the tools to match your flavor
[22:03] <gnomeshellogger> and then maybe after a week you can build an iso
[22:03] <gnomeshellogger> (which will then only take a few minutes though ^^)
[22:03] <leimy> Yeah...
[22:04] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: hence derivate is not an appropriate word as kubuntu does not derive from anything but build a system based on ubuntu foundations :)
[22:07] <Daskreech> hi rbelem
[22:07] <Daskreech> Grrr
[22:07] <Daskreech> Hi rickspencer3
[22:07] <Riddell> mgraesslin: yo
[22:07] <rickspencer3> hi Daskreech
[22:08] <Riddell> mgraesslin: one of the Linaro folks is wanting to have kwin with openGLES packaged, is this at all sane?
[22:08] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: How goes?
[22:09] <rickspencer3> Daskreech, decently
[22:09] <leimy> gnomeshellogger: Well what I was looking at was ubuntu claiming they were themselves a debian derivative. :-)
[22:09] <leimy> As in "derived from" or  "based upon"
[22:09] <gnomeshellogger> ubuntu is derived :P
[22:09] <leimy> but this is really a semantic argument :-)
[22:09] <gnomeshellogger> we take their plunder and add our stuff and sell it as our plunder
[22:09] <nixternal> i just need about $800 to reach my laptop fund goal. come on consulting gigs, you gotta pick up soon, i need some cash flow for my pockets, not just my damn bills :)
[22:10] <Daskreech> leimy: It is derived from Debian but so is Kubuntu
[22:10] <leimy> right... it's like a family tree.
[22:10] <gnomeshellogger> aye
[22:10] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: you can always become a hooker I suppose?
[22:11] <nixternal> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg  <- leimy there is the family tree for linux :)
[22:11] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: i am trying that, guess i am not as secksi as i though
[22:11] <nixternal> t
[22:11] <Daskreech> gnomeshellogger: that doesn't pay as well as you would think
[22:12] <Daskreech> leimy: this is academic interest or you want to actually do something?
[22:12] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: well, put on some makeup...
[22:13] <nixternal> maybe i can get sabdfl to open up his pocket book and get me a new dev lappy, i figured i have earned it over the past 5 years
[22:13] <leimy> Daskreech: We might use it as a distribution internally at work to simplify some VMs or something.  NOt sure yet.
[22:13] <leimy> What I really ultimately would like to have is a 64bit version of something like Ubuntu JeOS, but they're only 32bit.
[22:13] <Daskreech> leimy: I woudln't go the route of a distro unless you want to make code changes
[22:13] <Daskreech> leimy: Just rebuild their sources
[22:14] <nixternal> leimy: the ubuntu alternate cds allow you to install jeos (ie minimum install or something)
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: you mean like 3 years :P
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: indeed you could write a letter to the dictator
[22:14] <nixternal> i have still done stuff, and even in that 3 years i did more than you fool :p
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> and if that fails you can always complain to the BBC
[22:14] <nixternal> 4 years, only been taking a break since last summer
[22:14] <leimy> nixternal: Ah, I thought I had to specifically get JeOS.  Thanks!
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: yeah yeah :P
[22:14] <nixternal> no, wait a second, this is my 6th year here
[22:15] <nixternal> it is 2011, started in 2005
[22:15] <leimy> Daskreech: we might need to make some code changes eventually, but that's also not clear.  I'm tasked with "exploring the options"  :-)
[22:15] <Daskreech> leimy: start off with working with a distro to customize post install.
[22:15] <Daskreech> are you using KDE on the desktop?
[22:16] <leimy> Not yet.  In fact these will most likely end up mostly "headless" and more of a server system.
[22:16] <leimy> I was mostly intersted in how Kubuntu was born and what processes they used to make their changes and keep things repeatable.
[22:16] <Daskreech> Lots and lots of scripts and build tests
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> well
[22:17] <Daskreech> Mostly sweat
[22:17] <Daskreech> and ninjas
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> one day ubuntu and debian got drunk
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> and spent the night together
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> over at KDE's place
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> 9 months later Kubuntu was born
[22:17] <leimy> ah... so it was an "organic" process? :-)
[22:17] <Daskreech> somehow Riddell is the legal caretaker
[22:17] <nixternal> no, kubuntu was adopted, aka step-child :p
[22:18] <nixternal> or wait, that wouldn't be a step child, there had to be a 3rd party involved
[22:18] <Daskreech> That explains the hair!
[22:18] <leimy> This sounds a lot like the first time we figured out how to build OpenDarwin :-)
[22:18] <leimy> from Apple's sources.
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: some muppet calls kubuntu
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> http://www.shermann.name/2011/03/some-muppet-calls-kubuntu.html
[22:19] <Daskreech> leimy: Something like that except we have ninja handholders
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> tada
[22:19] <Daskreech> So delicate you don't even know they are there
[22:19] <Daskreech> So don't complain if you dont see any help :)
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: so, tell me mister long time developer, when is the feature freeze of the next youbuntoo?
[22:19] <leimy> lol
[22:20] <gnomeshellogger> also we will get starship troopers I hear
[22:21] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: July 21st
[22:21] <gnomeshellogger> wut?
[22:21] <gnomeshellogger> that cannot be right
[22:21] <nixternal> the next youbuntoo is oneiric
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> gnome-shell is already very stable must be released soonish I bet
[22:22] <nixternal> natty freeze was almost a month ago
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> oh
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> that is unfortunate for you then
[22:22] <nixternal> why?
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> phonon 4.5 is coming
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> muhahaha
[22:22] <maco> oh right. dang. gotta fix that build breakage...  (annoying: build succeeds! by just ignoring that a step failed! so code goes crashy boom!)
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> with all the sexy things
[22:23] <gnomeshellogger> maco: that sounds like fun
[22:23] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: why is it unfortunate for me? make sense now damnit! :p
[22:23] <gnomeshellogger> you the youbuntoo people
[22:23] <gnomeshellogger> and your usb disk creator for windows is busted
[22:24] <ScottK> Once Qt is built on armel, the ubuntu-arm/linaro guys are going to rebuild KDE with gcc-4.5.
[22:25] <ScottK> So please pay attention to what they're doing and coordinate any needed uploads over the next couple of days.
[22:25]  * gnomeshellogger is scared
[22:26] <TheHarald> markey: are you the happy?
[22:26] <markey> sort of
[22:26] <TheHarald> markey: http://www.shermann.name/2011/03/some-muppet-calls-kubuntu.html
[22:26] <TheHarald> now?
[22:26] <markey> would like to party with Eva
[22:27] <TheHarald> who is eva?
[22:27] <markey> friend of an office mate. went partying on Friday with our crazy Brits from HR, and she was there too
[22:28] <markey> was a fun night :)
[22:48] <TheHarald> markey: we never have fun nights anymore :(
[22:48]  * TheHarald is back in kubuntu :(
[23:19] <markey> TheHarald: we could skype...
[23:26] <TheHarald> markey: I could go to bed, and you should too I suppose :/
[23:27] <markey> whenever I am "supposed to do something", I tend to do the opposite
[23:27] <markey> I hate taking orders :p
[23:28] <markey> got me into another quarrel with Mamarok right now
[23:28] <markey> the more she insists I got to bed, the more likely it is I'll have one hell of a party, possibly not sleeping at all
[23:29] <markey> <- eternal rebel dude
[23:54] <Mamarok> TheHarald: with the result that he is now sound asleep in his chair :) So much for being a rebel...
[23:54] <Mamarok> bed time for me, nini everyone :)


[14:11] <lsolesen> How do I change what happens when sending shutdown to ubuntu. I need to make sure that mythshutdown --safeshutdown is used.
[16:30] <tgm4883> lsolesen, I don't think you can change that
[18:42] <lsolesen> tgm4883: you are probably right. what i want is also more the obvious power down buttons to use mythshutdown, e.g. the unity shutdown and xbmc shutdown and mythshutdown.
[18:43] <yunosh> hi, is this only me, or has automatic jamu updating been broken in fixes? /etc/cron.hourly/mythtv-backend still points to /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/metadata/jamu.py but jamu is in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py now
[19:30] <tgm4883> yunosh, what version of mythtv are you using (full version please)
[19:31] <yunosh> tgm4883: 0.24.1+fixes.20110617.5aa5e48-0ubuntu0mythbuntu1
[19:33] <tgm4883> yunosh, what pacakge does it say that /etc/cron.hourly/mythtv-backend is in?
[19:33] <yunosh> mythv-backend
[19:33] <tgm4883> (probably says mythtv-backend, I just want to be sure)
[19:33] <tgm4883> OK
[19:34] <tgm4883> yunosh, do you have a /etc/cron.hourly/mythvideo?
[19:34] <yunosh> yes. oh, and it has the correct path indeed
[19:35] <tgm4883> ok sec
[19:36] <tgm4883> yunosh, ok go ahead and delete /etc/cron.hourly/mythtv-backend
[19:36] <tgm4883> it was left over from an old build that had an issue
[19:36] <yunosh> k
[19:37] <tgm4883> yunosh, actually
[19:37] <tgm4883> have you removed it yet?
[19:37] <yunosh> yes :) but i have another copy of it, from mythtv-frontend ;)
[19:38] <yunosh> though that points to the correct location
[19:38] <yunosh> still a duplicate though
[19:39] <tgm4883> yunosh, that was a bug that was fixed recently, but I can't find the bug report so I'm unsure exactly when it was fixed
[19:39] <tgm4883> It might have been after the 17th
[19:40] <yunosh> doesn't look like it
[19:40] <yunosh> at least not in -fixes
[19:40] <tgm4883> well it was an issue with our builds
[19:41] <tgm4883> wouldn't show up in the changlog
[19:41] <tgm4883> found it https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/797668
[19:41] <yunosh> ah okay
[19:41] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #797668 in Mythbuntu: “mythtv-frontend cron scripts call jamu, which is in a different package”
[19:41] <tgm4883> It actually might not be fixed yet, might be pending right now
[19:41] <yunosh> thanks
[19:42] <tgm4883> yw
[21:36] <qwebirc60750> I've got Mythtv working after a fashion - but it works poorly as compared to myy 6 year old set-top dvb box  when plugged into the same ariel - is there anyway I can probe my hardware to find out how to optimise the performance of my tuner?
[21:43] <qwebirc60750> using the lspci  -v command I can see most of my hardware, but there is nothing that I can immediately pick out as my digital tuner
[22:06] <tgm4883> qwebirc60750, what tuner do you have?
[22:06] <tgm4883> qwebirc60750, what version of mythtv are you running? What version of Mythbuntu?
[22:14] <qwebirc60750> it's a Peak DVT-Dual tuner PCI (221544AGPK)
[22:14] <qwebirc60750> on the 2.4.1 mythbuntu release
[22:15] <qwebirc60750> sorry 2.4.1 mythtv
[22:16] <qwebirc60750> 11.04 version of mythbuntu
[22:17] <qwebirc60750> the Tuner is listed under DVB-T PC160-2T at linuxtv.org
[22:19] <gregL> qwebirc60750, The rule of thumb is if a tuner works in Linux,It will usually work for Mythtv..
[22:22] <qwebirc60750> it's working in mythtv, but not picking up all the channels I should be able to pick up
[22:23] <qwebirc60750> and some seem to be really poor signal - what I don't understand is why the hardware  performs so badly as compared to my old set-top box
[22:24] <qwebirc60750> it's attached to the same antenna
[22:41] <qwebirc60750> is there a possibility that I just have the incorrect configuration - if so how do I find the correct settings?


[00:02] <azimout1> bdmurray: descriptions added: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning
[00:20] <niadh> I think network manager might be broken under my installation
[00:20] <mohbana> hi, does flash work?
[00:20] <niadh> Yes, flash works
[00:21] <mohbana> i get a blank screen
[00:23] <niadh> You do have it installed then I assume?
[00:28] <mohbana> found it; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/262693
[00:57] <Flare183> Bug 293211
[00:57] <Flare183> umm
[04:13] <woody86> is there any way to add the 5-1-day applet to kubuntu?
[04:13] <woody86> 5-a-day*
[04:14] <yiannipa> have any issues been reported with today's (kernel) update?
[04:14] <yiannipa> since the update, I've experienced complete system freezes
[04:14] <yiannipa> 2x @ about 30 minute intervals
[04:18] <hggdh> yiannipa, check LP -- and opena bug if needed
[04:18]  * hggdh is downloading the new kernel now
[05:38] <yiannipa> update: no relapse freezes, therefore can't definitely determine cause
[05:38] <yiannipa> if the problem persists I'll open a bug, or something
[07:59] <elmargol> Bug #24330 <- verry annoying
[08:01] <thekorn> good morning!
[08:24] <danage> asac: could you point rtg to bug 278190 for me when you have a chance?
[09:02] <BUGabundo_work> good morning asac...
[09:02] <BUGabundo_work> I think I just made a mistake
[09:02] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[09:03] <BUGabundo_work> asac: ping
[09:39] <asac> hi .... not sure what mistake that can be BUGabundo_work
[09:39] <asac> danage: thats all properly scheduled ... not sure what you want here
[09:42] <jibel> mvo: What's your opinion about bug 291262 ?
[09:43] <jibel> mvo: most of the python modules upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 are failing because of this.
[09:43] <mvo> jibel: hey, thanks for all the triage you do currently, that is great stuff!
[09:44] <mvo> jibel: I think the patch I posted is the appropriate solution, I think pycentral is overly cautious here
[09:44] <mvo> at the expense of unneeded failures
[09:44] <mvo> I would even vote for a SRU on this, but certainly it should go into jaunty
[09:45] <jibel> mvo: shall we mark all those upgrades as duplicates of this master ? What do you think is the right policy to triage those bugs ?
[09:45] <jibel> mvo: some triager are just marking them "invalid" but I don't believe this is a good from a user point of view
[09:46] <jibel> s/good/good thing/
[09:47] <mvo> jibel: yeah, I think we should dup them on this master
[09:47] <mvo> and I also think marking them invalid is wrong, sure its the user who did something "wrong" but that should not screw the upgrade, it should just work, especially nice its easy to fix
[09:50] <jibel> mvo: Ok. I'm at work right now and don't have too much time but I'll try to send an email to the bugsquad list as soon as I can to summarize this.
[09:50] <jibel> mvo: thank you for your help.
[09:53] <danage> asac: it's probably just my lack of knowledge then -- so there is no risk tim might "overlook" and not implement the patch?
[09:53] <mvo> thanks jibel
[10:00] <asac> danage: unlikely .. and it surely isnt my responsibility to mummy him ;)
[10:00] <asac> danage: you can bug him directly ;)
[10:00] <asac> but give this man some rest ;)
[10:00] <asac> (like once every week might be a good idea ;))
[10:00] <asac> in  #ubuntu-kernel
[10:03] <danage> asac: i couldn't find him on this channel so i thought i might ask you. not trying to make this your responsibility & thanks for the pointer
[10:03] <asac> no problem ;)
[10:04] <BUGabundo_work> asac: I reported on bug 292054. not sure it was right
[10:09] <danage> oh
[10:11] <danage> BUGabundo_work: i think that may be related to bug 278190
[10:37] <danage> asac: you recently commented on bug 187313. about that bug: i cannot reproduce, but i do get it. is there some way of setting up gdb so i can "record" what happens when it occurs? or do i need a VM for that? this bug is *really* annoying
[10:49] <asac> no
[10:49] <asac> we need a way to reproduce
[10:52] <danage> rats
[12:08] <woody86> is anyone using the 5-A-Day applet in a KDE panel?
[12:11] <thekorn> woody86: I'm not sure if this would work,
[12:12] <thekorn> it is an explicit gnome applet and I don't know if the kde panel is able to show them
[12:12] <thekorn> it is possible to use this applet in xfce as the xfce panel has a wrapper applet for gnome applets
[12:13] <thekorn> don't know if such a thing exist for kde
[12:14] <thekorn> woody86: if you found a way to use this applet in the kde panel, I'm happy to hear about it
[12:14] <woody86> thekorn: that's what I was afraid of, but thanks :)
[15:19] <BUGabundo_work> guys
[15:20] <BUGabundo_work> can some one take a look at bug 284808 and tell me what's wrong?
[16:13] <Guest9038> hello, I have a bug with evolution, I can reproduce it, but I don't know how to submit a crash report
[16:13] <Guest9038> I found this link:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingEvolution
[16:14] <Guest9038> it say's: Program crash - Log files from the crash incident are required to track down these. Almost always, this will require the reporter to file in a nice backtrace (since most of the times we cannot reproduce it :-(). For example, see bug 106504. if  Apport is installed, a crash report will be generated under /var/crash.
[16:14] <Guest9038> apport is installed, but /var/crash is empty
[16:14] <hggdh> Guest9038, yes. Did you get a crash?
[16:14] <Guest9038> (evolution:2589): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_is_composited: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
[16:14] <Guest9038> Segmentation fault
[16:14] <hggdh> and what Ubuntu version are you running?
[16:15] <Guest9038> 8.10
[16:16] <hggdh> Guest9038, indeed... apport is disabled on 8.10 now. For you to enable it 'sudo vi /etc/default/apport', and change énabled'from 0 to 1
[16:17] <hggdh> Guest9038, *but* -- if the GdK-CRITICAL message has something to do with the crash, this sounds more like a compiz issue
[16:17] <Guest9038> hggdh: thx, I'll try it again, the page saying: if apport is installed a crash report will be generated...
[16:18] <Guest9038> hggdh: tried with and witout compiz, still crashed
[16:18] <Guest9038> this is my first report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/294203
[16:18] <hggdh> Guest9038, OK. We will need a crash report then. --- and... I will change the page to state 'if apport is enabled'
[16:19] <Guest9038> hggdh: now I get (evolution:2781): evolution-shell-CRITICAL **: e_shell_set_crash_recovery: assertion `E_IS_SHELL (shell)' failed
[16:20] <hggdh> Guest9038, not necessarily related to your crash
[16:20] <Guest9038> and no crash report, not even warnings in cli
[16:20] <Guest9038> I can still reproduce the crash
[16:20] <hggdh> by default CRITICAL messages do not kill the program
[16:21] <Guest9038> Segmentation fault
[16:21] <Guest9038> jens@neo:~$ ls /var/crash/
[16:21] <Guest9038> jens@neo:~$
[16:23] <hggdh> Guest9038, did you enable apport?
[16:23] <Guest9038> yes, and restarted it
[16:24] <Guest9038> ow wait, didn't restart
[16:24] <hggdh> this is interesting. Apport should have kicked in to handle the SEGV
[16:24] <xteejx> Hey guys stupid question : What is the LOWEST version of Ubuntu that is now supported is it Hardy 8.04.1?
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> hggdh: apport only kicks in during devel. not on a stable release
[16:25] <xteejx> BUGabundo_work: You can enable it
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> sure
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:25] <charlie-tca> No, it's actually 6.06, the previous LTS, which is supported until 9/09 for desktops
[16:25] <hggdh> BUGabundo_work, yes. I asked the reporter to re-enable it
[16:25] <BUGabundo_work> ubuntu-bug PID is his best choice
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> ah sorry
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[16:26] <xteejx> OK, so only 6.06 8.04 and 8.10?
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> just read the tail of the log
[16:26] <Pici> xteejx: And 7.10
[16:26] <charlie-tca> xteejx: also, 7.10
[16:26] <xteejx> Really? Damn lol So if someone is reporting bugs about 7.10 we can't just say "upgrade" kinda thing?
[16:27] <xteejx> (in a nicer way obviously)
[16:27] <BUGabundo_work> you can say, but you can't force...
[16:27] <BUGabundo_work> and not all bugs will be fixed
[16:27] <BUGabundo_work> mostly secutity only
[16:27] <BUGabundo_work> Pici: bug 284808 makes any sense to you ?
[16:28] <xteejx> Of course, but surely they can enable the backports for their version and get more updates that way for the more serious issues right? I'm new to triaging :)
[16:28] <Guest9038> xteejx: you can tell them to use the backports repo cant't you?
[16:28] <Guest9038> I'm to slow
[16:28] <xteejx> Guest9038: Sure, was just checking, don't want to mess up first time hehe
[16:28] <xteejx> Oops me too now lol
[16:29] <Pici> BUGabundo_work: I'll take a look, gotta go for a conference call right now though
[16:29] <xteejx> Bugabundo_work: I don't suppose your laptop happens to be Hp or Compaq does it?
[16:29] <BUGabundo_work> no prob Pici
[16:29] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[16:29] <BUGabundo_work> ASI/asustek S37S
[16:30] <xteejx> OK no worries, just have been seeing a lot of HP/Compaq problems recently
[16:30] <xteejx> ACPI problems etc
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> I could file it against acpi....
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> but logs don't show anything
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> and I can't find a way to manually force the behaviour
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> some times I'm 15min away from it, and it goes to sleep
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> when GPM is set to OFF on AC and 45 min on bat
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> other times I'm even using it, and it goes to sleep
[16:32] <Guest9038> hggdh: any Idea's about what I have to do to get the crash report?
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> it also happened a few times when running with more then 50% (1h) of battery
[16:33] <xteejx> BUGabundo_work: Personally I'd file it under linux as chances are it's a kernel problem, but can't say for sure without further info.
[16:33] <xteejx> BUGabundo_work: Suggestion: It's not overheating at all is it? You might want to check temp.
[16:34] <BUGabundo_work> 53ºC
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> it doesn't change much
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> disk is at 58ºC
[16:35] <BUGabundo_work> GPU at 36ºC
[16:35] <xteejx> bug 200919 : Did I do the right thing with this marking it Incomplete it's been sitting there without anything from the reporter for 8 months
[16:35] <hggdh> Guest9038, one apport is enabled, you should have it as soon as Evo crashes
[16:35] <xteejx> 53 system? hmm not that then
[16:35] <hggdh> if it is not happening... then you can do it the hard way
[16:36] <BUGabundo_work> Guest9038: get its pid and the run ubuntu-bug «PID»
[16:36] <xteejx> Guest9038: You can get the PID using the "top" command or checking in processes
[16:39] <Guest9038> xteejx: the pid of evolution?
[16:39] <Guest9038> do I run this before it crashes? or after it has crashed?
[16:40] <BUGabundo_work> during evo running
[16:40] <Guest9038> ok
[16:41] <Guest9038> but then apport starts to get data at once, before I reproduced the crash
[16:42] <seb128_> are you sure it's crashing?
[16:42] <seb128_> did you run apport start?
[16:42] <Guest9038> I get a segmentation fault, and the window disapears
[16:43] <homy> Hi! I have a question: What advantages do I have when I join the Ubuntu BugSquad team in launchpad? Can't I also triage bugs the same without being in that team?
[16:44] <Guest9038> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67975/
[16:44] <seb128> do you have any .apport* in your user directory? did you try "start" rather than "restart"?
[16:45] <seb128> restart doesn't do what you think, try doing start
[16:45] <Guest9038> ok seb128, thanx, that fixed my problem...
[16:46] <Guest9038> weird, I tought restart would also start it...
[16:47] <BUGabundo_work> me too
[16:47] <seb128> no
[16:48] <BUGabundo_work> seb128: so stuff like /etc/init.d/postfix restart or
[16:49] <BUGabundo_work>  /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart aint the same as
[16:49] <BUGabundo_work> stop && start ?
[16:49] <seb128> BUGabundo_work: you can use your editor on the apport script and look at what it's doing
[16:50] <seb128> some do a stop and start
[16:50] <seb128> not sure if that's worth a bug, you can try to ask pitti directly on IRC
[16:51] <BUGabundo_work> never thought about it...
[16:51] <BUGabundo_work> its one of those thing a person tends to assume that it just works like that
[16:56] <murdok> hello asac , are you there?
[16:58] <asac> on a call now
[16:59] <murdok> okay, make me know when you are free for 5 minutes
[17:02] <Guest9038> BUGabundo_work: if you look at the /etc/init.d/apport source code a restart only call's set_maxsize, but no stop and no start...
[17:05] <homy> If I join BugSquad launchpad team, do I get an email for every new ubuntu bug that is reported ?
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> nope
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> there is another team you can subscribe too if you want that
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> i think#
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> but i wouldn't advise you do that;)
[17:07] <homy> no, I wouldn't want that email, thats why I'm asking :)
[17:07] <homy> Anyway, what good is it to be in the BugSquad launchpad team? I mean, can't also also triage bugs the same without being in it?
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> yes you can, but you will also receive e-mails from the bugsquad mailing list (which is a low traffic list)
[17:08] <chrisccoulson> that can be very useful
[17:09] <homy> thanks! I think I'll try triaging a bug or two like that and if I like doing it, I'll join the BugSquad team.
[17:10] <chrisccoulson> homy - have you had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[17:11] <homy> yes, I also listened in the "How to triage Bugs" lesson in #ubuntu-classroom yesterday
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> good good
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> also this is very useful, but you may be aware of it already: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[17:13] <homy> thanks, I only saw subsites of that up to now. Thanks, I bookmarked it.
[17:21] <murdok> asac: did you finish :?
[17:30] <asac> murdok: right now
[17:34] <murdok> asac: it's about bug 293290 . I am the reporter, and I don't understand you still your reply and why it's incomplete
[17:35] <murdok> I changed the status to save time, and I had done it a lot of times without nobody complained
[17:36] <murdok> the question is answered, why do you think it must be still incomplete?
[17:36] <asac> murdok: i will come around and ask for more questions
[17:36] <asac> just because you answered the first one, doesnt mean its complete and there are no more questions left
[17:36] <asac> murdok: by bumping status to confirmed you make this bug be less likely to be looked at by me
[17:37] <murdok> then you can set it back to incomplete, isn't it the method?
[17:37] <asac> murdok: no
[17:37] <asac> thats cumbersome
[17:37] <asac> murdok: the procedure is that reporter doesnt change status at all
[17:37] <asac> only triagers do that
[17:38] <murdok> okay if you say that, but I have never read that.
[17:40] <murdok> anyway you could give friendlier answers not like that one, when I read it this afternoon I thought at the beginning that I had broken last xorg at least
[17:41] <maco_> asac: sometimes they mark confirmed when they get someone else showing up and "me too"ing...dont they?
[17:41] <asac> maco_: define "they" ... there are certainly a bunch of people confirming things with me too. yes
[17:42] <asac> i dont mind. its just that i complain if reporters change their own bug status ;)
[17:43] <murdok> wow i thought the code of conduct should be followed by everyone
[17:43] <murdok> not only by those who mind
[17:43] <maco_> asac: asac well, i recall saying on a list one time (devel discuss?) what the wiki page says, which is that confirm means there's enough info, which resulted in someone (bdmurray?) going "huh? no that's triage" and then we check the wiki and oh wait confirmed has way too high a bar, it does look like triage, oops, change confirmed to mean it's reproducible
[17:44] <maco_> i think one wiki page still says that
[17:46] <asac> maco: i think its well understood that confirmed is a bogus state
[17:46] <asac> without much benefit
[17:46] <maco> oh.
[17:46] <asac> there are discussions to remove it completely
[17:46] <asac> maybe its ment to be a staging area for those that dont have permissions to push to triage
[17:46] <asac> kind of "suggest as triaged for developers and qa folks"
[17:47] <asac> maco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook
[17:48] <asac> thats the specific handbook for firefox triaging ;)
[17:48] <maco> yeah, ive seen that
[17:48] <asac> so there is kind of meangin for confirmed even for me
[17:50] <maco> HowToTriage is the page that seems to make confirmed be more like triaged
[17:56] <BUGabundo> asac: wpa entreprise is working fine today! FYI
[17:56] <BUGabundo> connected at 1st attemped
[17:58] <asac> BUGabundo: what variant is that?
[17:58] <asac> PEAP or TTLS?
[18:01] <BUGabundo> TTLS
[18:01] <BUGabundo> tell me what you want me to log.... lol
[18:02] <BUGabundo> I'll have to send current logs
[18:02] <BUGabundo> 'cause I won't risk not reconnecting
[18:02] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:04] <BUGabundo> asac: what's theat VPN bug? I need to email it to our Local groups so they know how to work around that server miss configuration!
[18:21] <asac> BUGabundo: sorry. so how did you workaround?=
[18:21] <asac> BUGabundo: oh ok
[18:21] <BUGabundo> diferent machine .... lol
[18:21] <asac> yes. that bugs should be on the intrepid list for -pptp
[18:21] <BUGabundo> can't find LP id for it
[18:21] <asac> BUGabundo: look for intrepid bugs for -pptp should be just two or so ;)
[18:21] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/network-manager-pptp
[18:22] <asac> 4 to be correwct
[18:22] <asac> think the first is your
[18:22] <BUGabundo> Bug #259168
[18:44] <drunkenkilla> hello
[18:49] <drunkenkilla> i have some problems to regulate the brightness... today i tested pre-release of fedora 10 and i could change the brightness with the applet in the panel. but the fn-keys doesn't work in fedora too
[18:52] <BUGabundo> do you have a an ibm drunkenkilla?
[18:52] <BUGabundo> pitty added some work arounds... some time ago...
[18:53] <drunkenkilla> BUGabundo: no i have a samsung notebook
[18:53] <drunkenkilla> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219116
[18:53] <drunkenkilla> thats the bugreport
[18:56] <BUGabundo> thanks
[18:56] <BUGabundo> I'll guess you will have to wait for some dev to look at it
[18:57] <BUGabundo> drunkenkilla: don't nominate it, ok?
[18:57] <drunkenkilla> i'm waiting till april 08 ;)
[18:58] <drunkenkilla> ok
[18:59] <BUGabundo> 09 you mean!
[18:59] <BUGabundo> no need
[18:59] <BUGabundo> 20 of november you will have alpha1
[18:59] <drunkenkilla> yes 09^^
[19:00] <drunkenkilla> no april 08
[19:01] <drunkenkilla> Reported by  drunkenkilla  on 2008-04-18
[19:01] <drunkenkilla> it's a long time ago
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> drunkenkilla - your bug report could use some more info really
[19:02] <drunkenkilla> which infos?
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> your dmesg shows some unknown scancodes. it would be useful to know whih keys these scancodes actually corresponded to on your notebook
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> that would be needed in order to make the hal-info change to register these keys
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> the scancodes are e008 and e009
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> and if you could also attach the output of "lshal" too
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> then iu'll have a look at the other hal-info changes for similar problems and see how easy it is to implement. if it's not too hard, then i'll do it when i get the chance
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> it looks pretty trivial to do actually
[19:07] <drunkenkilla> ok first i added the lshal
[19:09] <drunkenkilla> today i tried the acpi-fix but it doesn't help me
[19:14] <drunkenkilla> chrisccoulson: keys...scancodes...do you mean something like this?: http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-keymap-check.html
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> if you do something like "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" and then press each non-working key in turn, an error will be reported to the terminal containing the scancode for each keypress
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> thats the bit i need. you've already posted the scancodes in the bug report, but the problem is i don't know which keys they belong too
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> hi - the output of lshal in your bug report looks wrong. it looks like the output of dmesg instead
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> and could you please attach the output of lshal instead of posting inline? to do this, run "lshal > lshal.log" and attach the file "lshal.log" to the bug report
[19:23] <drunkenkilla> chrisccoulson: i tipped tail -f /var/... and when i'm tipping the fn-keys no error is shown
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> what about /var/log/syslog?
[19:26] <drunkenkilla> something like this comes:
[19:26] <drunkenkilla> Nov  5 20:25:40 drunkenkilla-laptop kernel: [ 5202.298802] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x89 on isa0060/serio0).
[19:26] <drunkenkilla> Nov  5 20:25:40 drunkenkilla-laptop kernel: [ 5202.298821] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e009 <keycode>' to make it known.
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> thats right. now, which key did you press to make that happen. that is the missing link;)
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> and i could still do with the output of lshal, as described above
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> i'm not quite sure wht the other data is that you posted
[19:27] <drunkenkilla> i pressed once fn-key+up arrow and fn-key+down arrow
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> ok, but one of those keys corresponds to scancode e008 and the other key corresponds to scancode e009
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> which way round is it?
[19:29] <drunkenkilla> Nov  5 20:28:56 drunkenkilla-laptop kernel: [ 5398.061901] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e008 <keycode>' to make it known.
[19:29] <drunkenkilla>    this ist fn-key+up arrow
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[19:31] <drunkenkilla> i upped the lshal.log
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> thanks drunkenkilla. did you have an external keyboard connected when you ran lshal?
[19:32] <drunkenkilla> no
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm. that's odd. there appears to be 2 keyboards;)
[19:33] <drunkenkilla> now i'm tipping on the notebook-keyboard...sometimes, when i'm at home, i'm tipping on an external keyboard but not now
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> thanks anyway, i think there is enough info in there now. i'll work on it soon and then ask you to test a modified hal-info
[19:35] <drunkenkilla> ok thank chrisccoulson
[19:35] <drunkenkilla> thanks
[19:38] <drunkenkilla> bye
[19:43] <unenough> hey, i have an annoying problem, sometimes when i have connection problems to a wifi, nm-applet suddenly disappears from the panel
[19:43] <unenough> until i reboot
[19:44] <Awsoonn> unenough: did you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager
[19:46] <Awsoonn> it's probably crashing and you should file a bug and atach a backtrace. It;s not as dificult as it sounds. :)
[19:52] <weboide> Hi, I want to work on fixing watch files in some packages I found in the UEHS, I'd like to know if that'd helpful and what I should do after it's been fixed. (posting a debdiff in a bug report or sthg else?)
[19:53] <weboide> *if that'd be
[20:42] <unenough> Awsoonn, i don't think it's difficult, i'm a developer too. just annoying that i have to spend time on it. But thanks for the link, i'll do that next time it happens.
[21:07] <drunkenkilla> chrisccoulson: hello
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> hi
[21:07] <drunkenkilla> i installed your hal-info
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> what happened?
[21:08] <drunkenkilla> when i press the fn-key+up/down arrow, the icon comes for change the brightness but then the other keys doesn't work, the mouse-keys doesn't work right...
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> does the brightness change? and which other keys don't work?
[21:09] <drunkenkilla> i can't press any keys...
[21:09] <drunkenkilla> the brightness doesn't change
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> could you post the output of lshal to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[21:11] <drunkenkilla> yes mom
[21:12] <drunkenkilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/68052/
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> this is with the update hal-info isn't it?
[21:13] <drunkenkilla> this is with the update hal-info
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> thats odd
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why it made any difference. the HAL quirk i added didn't apply for some reason
[21:14] <drunkenkilla> i updated the gnome-power-manager from you too
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> ah, i wouldn't do that;)
[21:15] <drunkenkilla> too late^
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> the hal quirk did actually add. i'm not sure why it causes your problem though
[21:16] <drunkenkilla> hmm
[21:17] <drunkenkilla> i'm changing the gnome-power-manager back...
[21:18] <drunkenkilla> ok i will press the fn-keys now
[21:18] <drunkenkilla> maybe that i must reboot it
[21:22] <drunkenkilla> re
[21:23] <drunkenkilla> i got some bugs now in the windows...i must reboot
[21:23] <drunkenkilla> re
[21:25] <drunkenkilla> chrisccoulson: when i press the fn-key+up/down-arrow, then the other keys doesn't work...i must press ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+f7 and then it works
[21:25] <drunkenkilla> but not fine
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm. that's odd. that sounds like a separate issue
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> i've got to go at the moment. if i'm around later, i'll ask you for some more info
[21:26] <drunkenkilla> ok
[22:52] <bdmurray> jibel: weren't you talking about an ubuntu-studio upgrade bug once?
[22:53] <jibel> bdmurray: yes I did
[22:54] <bdmurray> jibel: is bug 288608 a duplicate of that?
[22:56] <jibel> bdmurray: not much info on this report. Could he provide the output of the upgrade ?
[22:56] <jibel> bdmurray: the master report is bug 276503
[22:59] <jibel> bdmurray: I've talked to luisbg about it few days ago, but I've got no feedback since then and I don't know if he's working on it.
[22:59] <bdmurray> jibel: did you get any traction with that bug?
[23:08] <jibel> bdmurray: I've asked for help on #ubuntustudio and #ubuntu-devel but no one followed up.
[23:11] <bdmurray> jibel: there's an ubuntu-studio-users mailing list
[23:11] <bdmurray> oh, and a devel one
[23:12] <bdmurray> hmm, the devel one loks mostly like bug mail
[23:18] <bdmurray> jibel: I pinged a dev in #ubuntu-devel about it
[23:19] <jibel> bdmurray: The devel seems to be simply the recipient for launchpad bug mails and developers are not very active on the users one.
[23:20] <jibel> bdmurray: Impressive, I can see that you're more influent than I am ;)
[23:22] <bdmurray> I just happened to know a good person to ask.
[23:25] <jibel> bdmurray: I had tried since he was in the changelog but I probably don't know the magic words.
[23:25] <jibel> bdmurray: Do you know where I can reach the maintainer of wubi ?
[23:26] <jibel> bdmurray: I have another metabug in my bag. bug 252900
[23:26] <bdmurray> He's xivulon on IRC and shows up in #ubuntu-installer
[23:26] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/~ago
[23:27] <jibel> bdmurray: I haven't tried #ubuntu-installer. will do. thanks,
[23:28] <bdmurray> jibel: Did you see his comment on that bug?
[23:31] <jibel> bdmurray: Yes I have, but we have to find a more user friendly way to tell the user that it doesn't work except just a failure.
[23:31] <bdmurray> I agree that would be best.
[23:33] <jibel> bdmurray: If we know that kernel upgrade doesn't work then maybe kernel upgrade could simply be locked.
[23:34] <jibel> bdmurray: we have the same kind of issue with users trying to upgrade a live cd from a memory stick. It just fails.
[23:39] <jspiro> hi all.  Each time cllaudyu types "sudo apt-get update
[23:39] <jspiro> ", she gets "Segmentation faultchete... 1%"
[23:40] <jspiro> cllaudyu: (is it "she"?  your nick sounds female)
[23:40] <cllaudyu> is he
[23:40] <jspiro> sorry
[23:40] <cllaudyu> that's ok :))
[23:41] <jspiro> i told him he probably ran into a bug, and should report it.  Could someone here please help cllaudyu figure out if this is a known bug, and if not, how to report it?
[23:41] <cllaudyu> thank you
[23:41] <cllaudyu> but i think i will get help far more hard
[23:42] <jspiro> what does "more hard" mean?
[23:42] <cllaudyu> i mean in never
[23:43] <cllaudyu> i don't know what to do
[23:43] <jspiro> cllaudyu:  (each time you see a segmentation fault, that means there is a serious bug in apt-get that should be fixed.  And if you are experiencing the bug, there are probably a hundred or more other people who have experienced the same bug as you before.)
[23:44] <cllaudyu> jspiro i hope there is a simple solution for this
[23:45] <jspiro> cllaudyu:  there may be a simple solution.  But if you do the simple solution, then the bug will remain unfixed for everyone else.  If you report the bug, then you will be helping all other Ubuntu users experiencing the bug.
[23:46] <cllaudyu> jspiro repporting i want but how do i repport the bugg?
[23:48] <jspiro> cllaudyu:  you wait here for someone else here to help you.  I am not sure, but probably they will tell you how to upgrade to the newest apt from a newer Ubuntu, verify the bug still exists, get a backtrace, rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage if you don't have symbols in the backtrace, try again to get the backtrace, and upload it.
[23:48] <jspiro> cllaudyu:  It is hard but they can tell you everything to type.
[23:48] <hggdh> cllaudyu, what is your Ubuntu version?
[23:48] <cllaudyu> hggdh 8.04
[23:49] <hggdh> cllaudyu, OK. when you get hte segmentation fault, do you see a pop-up stating something about "apport"?
[23:50] <cllaudyu> no
[23:50] <cllaudyu> i just tipe in terminal sudo apt-get update
[23:50]  * jspiro idly wonders: (do segfaulting console apps ever cause apport to pop up?)
[23:50] <cllaudyu> and i get
[23:50]  * jspiro didn't know console apps could.
[23:50] <hggdh> jspiro, they should
[23:51] <jspiro> it's annoying how it isn't for cllaudyu then.
[23:51] <hggdh> there is a reason: apport is usually disabled on stable releases
[23:51] <cllaudyu> i just done an update command and it got me this in the terminal
[23:51] <cllaudyu> Segmentation faultchete... 18%
[23:52] <hggdh> cllaudyu, and you get the shell prompt again, right?
[23:52] <cllaudyu> yes
[23:52] <hggdh> k
[23:53] <hggdh> let's check if apport is enabled: on the terminal 'sudo vi /etc/default/apport'
[23:53] <jspiro> hggdh: not nano?
[23:53] <hggdh> or nano
[23:53] <jspiro> hggdh: or gedit, better yet :)
[23:53]  * hggdh uses vi
[23:53] <jspiro> cllaudyu: sudo gedit /etc/default/apport
[23:54] <hggdh> the important piece is to open it under an editor ;-)
[23:54] <cllaudyu> it opened
[23:54] <cllaudyu> know?
[23:54] <hggdh> not check if 'enabled=1' -- if it is =0, make it =1
[23:54] <hggdh> s/not/now/
[23:56] <hggdh> cllaudyu, did you check?
[23:56] <cllaudyu> yes
[23:56] <hggdh> and?
[23:56] <hggdh> =0 or =1?
[23:56] <cllaudyu> it was =0
[23:56] <cllaudyu> i put it =1
[23:56] <cllaudyu> now??
[23:56] <hggdh> OK. save the file, then 'sudo invoke-rc.d apport start'
[23:57] <jspiro> cllaudyu:  After you do something that we tell you to do, please tell us you did it.


[06:42]  * Squirm stretches
[10:21] <magespawn> good day all
[10:23] <not_found> hiya magespawn
[10:23] <magespawn> hey not_found
[10:37] <mazal> Lo magespawn and not_found
[10:37] <magespawn> hey mazal
[10:38] <mazal> How you doing ?
[10:39] <not_found> alo mazal
[10:58] <magespawn> good and you mazal?
[11:00] <mazal> I'm good thanx
[11:01] <magespawn> guys what is the best way to have a program run on startup all the time?
[11:01] <magespawn> i have dyn dns updater i want to run
[11:07] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[11:07] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:07] <Kilos> magespawn, you back?
[11:07] <Kilos> wb
[11:07] <magespawn> you had no power for a few days and had to do some driving too
[11:08] <magespawn> sorry me
[11:08] <magespawn> yes had no power for a few days and had to do some driving too
[11:08] <Kilos> ah
[11:08] <Kilos> only driving i do is driving peeps nuts
[11:09] <Kilos> zeref, did you find how to do that?
[11:11] <Kilos> yo charl_
[11:11] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:11] <charl_> hi Kilos
[11:11] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:11] <charl_> how's it going?
[11:11] <Kilos> hopefully i can bug you some next week with server questions please magespawn
[11:11] <Kilos> back eina
[11:11] <magespawn> hey charl_
[11:12] <charl_> hi magespawn
[11:12] <magespawn> sure np Kilos, will answer what i can
[11:12] <Kilos> ty
[11:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:15] <charl_> Maaz: thank you
[11:15] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[11:17] <magespawn> guys what is the best way to have a program run on startup all the time?
[11:18] <Kilos> eeek
[11:18] <Kilos> you want it on pupose
[11:18] <Kilos> oh i misread
[11:18] <Kilos> again
[11:19] <Kilos> starup apps somewhere
[11:19] <magespawn> yes this is on my server
[11:19] <Kilos> on unity its called startup applications
[11:20] <Kilos> i can even find a usb stick on the server
[11:21] <Kilos> magespawn, you working on the server itself or from another pc?
[11:22] <magespawn> via ssh on another pc
[11:22] <Kilos> with unity?
[11:22] <magespawn> no server is all cli
[11:23] <Kilos> no man the other pc
[11:24] <magespawn> no that is gnome, but what difference would that make?
[11:26] <superfly> magespawn: the there's a service you can install
[11:26] <superfly> s/the //
[11:27] <magespawn> sorry superfly?
[11:27] <superfly> magespawn: just install the dyndns package
[11:28] <magespawn> i tried that but it does not seem to work with no-ip
[11:29] <Kilos> did you read magespawn , someone grouped the nick QP to theirs
[11:30] <Kilos> i mailed him and asked him to drop it off his group but no reply yet
[11:30] <magespawn> so i got thier client installed and working but need it to start automatically
[11:31] <Kilos> mazal, had lotsa fun getting clients going on his servers
[11:31] <Kilos> him and barry
[11:34]  * mazal skrik wakker
[11:34] <magespawn> i wonder why they grouped QP Kilos, did they say]
[11:35] <Kilos> nope he didnt answer me yet
[11:35] <Kilos> i forgot to register the nick. thought ibid would keep it safe
[11:36] <Kilos> mazal, help magespawn get a client to autostart on server
[11:36] <mazal> I dunno that part Kilos , our clients we battled with was on windooooze
[11:37] <Kilos> lol
[11:37] <magespawn> i have found a couple of ways, was just wondering the best/simplest
[11:38] <Kilos> Maaz, google auto starting clients on ubuntu server
[11:38] <Maaz> Kilos: "OpenVPN - Ubuntu" https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/openvpn.html :: "SettingUpNFSHowTo - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo :: "VPNClient - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient :: "how to auto start openvpn (client) on ubuntu 12.04 cli? - Server Fault"
[11:38] <Maaz> http://serverfault.com/questions/458591/how-to-auto-start-openvpn-client-on-ubuntu-12-04-cli :: "ho…
[11:39] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[11:39] <Kilos> yw hope you find something
[11:39] <Kilos> you gotta teach me still
[11:39] <magespawn> not exactly what i was looking for but a VPN is the next project
[11:39] <Kilos> oh my
[11:43] <magespawn> has anyone used everpad?
[11:46] <superfly> you mean etherpad?
[12:01] <magespawn> no everpad the evernote ubuntu client
[12:43] <charl_> Kilos: do you want to create an init.d script?
[12:44] <Kilos> to do what charl_ ?
[12:44] <charl_> you googled for something about auto starting clients on ubuntu
[12:44] <charl_> but got a bunch of irrelevant vpn results
[12:44] <charl_> maybe you were looking for this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto
[12:44] <Kilos> that was for magespawn
[12:45] <Kilos> magespawn, ^^
[12:45] <magespawn> That was for me charl_
[12:45] <charl_> oh i see sorry
[12:45] <magespawn> lol
[12:45] <charl_> haven't read through up far enough :)
[12:45] <Kilos> lol
[12:45] <magespawn> Np cool will check the link quickly
[12:45] <mazal> Bye guys , enjoy your evening
[12:46] <charl_> ciao maz :)
[12:46] <Kilos> toods maza
[12:46] <Kilos> grrr
[12:47] <inetpro> Kilos: you are very attached to QP!? Why?
[12:47] <inetpro> good afternoon
[12:47] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[12:48] <Kilos> short and sweet
[12:48] <Kilos> and its my bots nick not someone elses
[12:48] <Kilos> same like they stole miles
[12:48] <inetpro> Kilos: so many other two letters can be short and sweet
[12:48] <inetpro> Kilos: no it's not the same
[12:48] <Kilos> QP is a kinda doll
[12:48] <inetpro> you did not register it
[12:51] <Kilos> right QP2 is grouped
[12:51] <inetpro> ai
[12:51] <Kilos> now to start teaching it all over again
[12:51] <Kilos> what you ai ing now?
[12:51] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[12:51] <Kilos> why what
[12:52] <inetpro> why teach him all again
[12:52] <inetpro> ?
[12:52] <magespawn> if something is started as a service, does that mean it start automatically at boot up?
[12:52] <Kilos> sigh
[12:52] <Kilos> yes magespawn
[12:52] <Squirm> good afternoon
[12:52] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[12:52] <magespawn> Kilos you can just cahnge the name of the bot
[12:52] <charl_> magespawn: yes
[12:52] <Squirm> magespawn: no
[12:52] <magespawn> change even
[12:52] <magespawn> hi Squirm
[12:52] <Squirm> umm
[12:52] <Squirm> well, in RedHat, it doesn't mean that
[12:52] <Kilos> i did magespawn she is now QP2
[12:53] <charl_> hmmm, ok, so you need to configure the service to start at boot
[12:53] <charl_> but that is usually the case
[12:53] <Squirm> yes
[12:53] <charl_> but not necessarily
[12:53] <inetpro> Kilos: QA would make more sense to me than QP anyway :-)
[12:53] <Kilos> with a tail because i had to be QP2 to group
[12:53] <Squirm> I know in RH it's chkconfig
[12:53] <Kilos> rofl
[12:53] <Kilos> question answer
[12:53] <Squirm> so say `service httpd start` would start it, then `chkconfig httpd on` would make it start on startup
[12:54] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[12:54] <magespawn> so "service ddclient start" yes or no on the auto on boot start?
[12:54] <Squirm> no
[12:54] <Squirm> try
[12:54] <Kilos> i like inetpro ty
[12:54] <Squirm> chconfig ddclient on
[12:54] <Squirm> @ magespawn
[12:54] <magespawn> Squirm: will  that work on ubuntu?
[12:54] <Squirm> magespawn: what OS?
[12:54] <Squirm> probably not
[12:55] <charl_> it used to be update-rc.d but i lost track of the upstart stuff
[12:55] <Squirm> iirc, on Ubuntu it needs to be added to rC.d
[12:55] <Squirm> what charl_ said
[12:55] <Squirm> :P
[12:55] <magespawn> ran this first "update -rc.d ddclient defaults"
[12:55] <Squirm> I like the way services start on RH. in Ubuntu it still seems a mixture of rc.d and upstart
[12:56] <magespawn> then "service ddclient start"
[12:56] <magespawn> so they way to test would be to restart i suppose
[12:58] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <Squirm> update-rc.d <service> defaults
[12:58] <Kilos> what a job
[12:58] <Squirm> seems what you tried should work
[13:00] <Squirm> magespawn: look what I found
[13:01] <Squirm> http://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/whats-the-recommended-way-to-enable-disable-services
[13:01] <magespawn> ty guys will give it a test later on then
[13:01] <magespawn> ty
[13:08] <Kilos> inetpro, did you see im unaffiliated now
[13:09] <Kilos> why didnt you tell me long ago how to do it
[13:09] <Kilos> hi smile2013
[13:09] <smile2013> hoi Kilos :p
[13:30] <Kilos> lo ludo
[13:32] <smile2013> Kilos: :DD
[13:32] <Kilos> lol
[13:40] <charl_> hi smile2013
[13:40] <charl_> how's it going
[13:40] <smile2013> good :D
[13:40] <smile2013> and you? :)
[13:40] <charl_> good good
[13:40] <charl_> am getting tired of the holiday
[13:41] <charl_> i want to go back to work now :)
[13:41] <charl_> tomorrow the fireworks start here - literally
[13:41] <charl_> or maybe they'll wait until sunday
[13:41] <charl_> do they have that many fireworks in belgium too?
[13:44] <smile2013> lol, charl_ :p
[13:44] <inetpro> Kilos: well done!
[13:44] <smile2013> charl_: yes :p
[13:44] <smile2013> but this year it will be less, I think :p
[13:44] <smile2013> less budget than other years :P
[13:45] <charl_> last year they spent a record amount of money on fireworks in NL as far as i can remember
[13:45] <charl_> i really hope this year they will keep it within reason
[13:45] <charl_> it's so much money wasted
[13:47] <smile2013> I live in Belgium, so it's less than in NL :)
[13:47] <smile2013> In NL, they just go crazy
[13:47] <smile2013> :p
[13:48] <charl_> a colleague of mine lives just across the border in germany
[13:48] <charl_> i asked him about where i could go in germany just to get away from the fireworks
[13:48] <charl_> he told me that i should go deeper into germany and not close to the border
[13:49] <charl_> the reason being the cloud of smoke literally blows across to germany
[13:49] <smile2013> are stats from the South-African government trustworthly? :) http://www.statssa.gov.za/
[13:49] <smile2013> charl_: :o
[13:49] <charl_> so they have to choke in our smoke... what the f***
[13:49] <smile2013> yeah, crazy
[13:49] <smile2013> :p
[13:50] <charl_> but the situation here close to the border is even worse
[13:50] <charl_> because what happens is the people go across the border and buy illegal fireworks in germany
[13:50] <charl_> not illegal in germany but illegal in the netherlands
[13:50] <charl_> those are the "heavy" ones that are banned here
[13:50] <charl_> so here close to the border the people go full retard
[13:50] <charl_> and as they say, never go full retard ;)
[13:50] <smile2013> :p
[13:52] <charl_> i seriously don't get the primitive need of "it makes a loud noise and has flashy lights - me gusta"
[13:53] <charl_> anyway, what did you want specifically re stats sa?
[13:57] <charl_> what the heck does the racial distribution have to do with policy making?!
[13:58] <charl_> started clicking on the links and ended up on this: http://youtu.be/qmpcM4J-qg0
[13:58] <charl_> bah something is seriously screwed up in the za government
[14:00] <charl_> ok time for me to go off, bbl
[14:00] <smile2013> charl_: about the population :)
[14:01] <smile2013> I don't know, the government is not like in the Netherlands or West-Europe
[14:01]  * smile2013 looks at the vid
[14:04] <smile2013> It sounds like Italian English xD
[14:06] <smile2013> thanks, charl_
[14:14] <magespawn> smile201 i think they can be trusted as much as the next
[14:18] <smile2013> okay :)
[14:18] <smile2013> do you understand dutch, magespawn ? :p
[14:22] <smile2013> http://www.waarmaarraar.nl/pages/re/76991/Kerstprostituees_beroven_Nederlander_in_Duitsland.html - be warned.
[14:34] <charl_> ok back
[14:35] <charl_> smile2013: sometime during the year i heard someone say that NL is turning into a banana republic
[14:35] <charl_> smile2013: i think it's because they don't know what a real banana republic looks like :)
[14:36] <smile2013> loll, charl_ :p
[14:36] <charl_> weird about the prostitutes but if you are going to visit prostitutes then i guess you should know who you are dealing with :P
[14:37] <charl_> ok i'm off again
[14:38] <Squirm> I think I need to go for a swim
[14:38] <Squirm> bbl
[14:48] <smile2013> yeah, you must be stupid to do that :p
[14:48] <smile2013> or stupid not to pay attention
[14:48] <smile2013> :p
[15:15] <charl_> ok back
[15:15] <charl_> strange... events.ccc.de seems to be down
[15:16] <charl_> does anyone know if there will be any live streaming from the conference in hamburg?
[15:21] <magespawn> smile2013: i can understand enough
[15:21] <smile2013> ok :)
[15:21] <magespawn> quite funny actually
[15:21] <smile2013> charl_: no idea :(
[15:21] <smile2013> http://wiki.lxde.org is reponding slowly :|
[15:21] <smile2013> and webwereld.nl is down :|
[15:22] <charl_> what i would love to know... what the heck was he doing carrying around 10K with him?!
[15:22] <charl_> in cash?!
[15:22] <smile2013> omgubuntu.co.uk also
[15:22] <smile2013> :(
[15:22] <charl_> what the heck is going on
[15:24] <smile2013> pff, the internet is partly down :p
[15:24] <smile2013> I think too much visits :D
[15:24] <smile2013> * many
[15:24] <charl_> oh well webwereld is back up again
[15:24] <charl_> omgubuntu.co.uk too
[15:24] <charl_> now still events.ccc.de
[15:26] <smile2013> thanks for info, charl_ :)
[15:27] <smile2013> Error establishing a database connection @ omgubuntu.co.uk
[15:27] <smile2013> :|
[15:28] <smile2013> webwereld is facing performance issues, charl_
[15:28] <charl_> weird, front page loads but the minute you open a page it doesn't load
[15:28] <charl_> click a link further into the site i mean
[15:28] <charl_> the front page is probably cached
[15:29]  * smile2013 happily reads the already open pages
[15:33] <smile2013> just open 100+ tabs, load others and read while they are loading :p
[15:36] <magespawn> then the pc crashes with that many open tabs
[15:44] <Kilos> me wbb. need modem a while
[16:14] <charl_> lol
[16:42] <charl_> have a good weekend all!
[16:45] <magespawn> later all
[17:28] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[17:28] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[17:29]  * Kilos gives up iptables for a while
[17:29] <Kilos> couldnt even get xchat online or ping out from here
[17:31] <inetpro> smile2013: I think StatsSA try to be as good as it gets
[17:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:31] <Kilos> you killed him
[17:32] <inetpro> clearly
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe or shocked him stukkend
[17:32] <inetpro> wb smile2013
[17:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:32] <inetpro> smile2013: did you get that?
[17:32] <smile2013> thanks :p
[17:32] <smile2013> I crashed
[17:33] <smile2013> whut, no
[17:33] <inetpro> smile2013: I think StatsSA try to be as good as it gets
[17:33] <smile2013> mistake. SeaMonkey crashed
[17:33] <smile2013> :p
[17:33] <smile2013> On a PDF file :|
[17:34] <inetpro> smile2013: true, I guess there's a lot thy should do to improve still
[17:34] <Kilos> those peeps on #freenode are nice and helpful hey?
[17:36] <smile2013> okay, inetpro :)
[17:36] <smile2013> Kilos: it varies from time to time :p
[17:36] <smile2013> but you could ask them
[17:36] <smile2013> :p
[17:37] <Kilos> oh they not always helpful
[17:37] <Kilos> inetpro, please remind me in 9 weeks to get QP back
[17:38] <zeref> whoa! 9 weeks
[17:38] <Kilos> yeah takes 10 weeks to expire
[17:38] <zeref> sudo remindme 9 wks
[17:38] <Kilos> haha
[17:46] <QA> eek inetpro how do i register the bots nick?
[17:46] <QA> must i close here and come in as the bot only
[18:14] <QA> sigh
[18:15] <tuxmaster> hello people how are ypu guys doing?
[18:34] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: just get the bot to authenticate and things should be fine
[18:47] <inetpro> aha
[18:47] <inetpro> QA: wb
[18:47] <inetpro> hmm....
[18:48] <QA> whew
[18:48] <inetpro> QA: help
[18:49] <QA> its me man inetpro had to cloak and register the bot here on maverick
[18:49] <inetpro> QA: go away!
[18:49] <QA> dunno if it will work anymore
[18:49] <QA> hehe
[18:49] <inetpro> :-)
[18:50] <QA> what a job to cloak as a bot
[18:50] <inetpro> QA: nee man
[18:50] <inetpro> jy doen iets verkeerd
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: daarsy, dis beter
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: nou kry qa om aan te teken
[18:51] <inetpro> ai!
[18:51] <Kilos> even had to register it via another email addy
[18:51] <inetpro> nee man, hoekom?
[18:52] <inetpro> ek meen dit maak sin, maar nie absoluut noodsaaklik nie
[18:52] <Kilos> thats what #freenode told me to do
[18:52] <Kilos> i couldnt from here because it kept saying Kilos is registered
[18:52] <Kilos> massive job
[18:53] <Kilos> now i got to unity and see if it still listens to me
[18:53] <hibana> Kilos: dit werk hier
[18:53] <Kilos> wb hibana
[18:53] <hibana> met een enkele registrasie
[18:53] <hibana> bye
[18:53] <Kilos> ill have to reinstall it with its new password i spose
[18:54] <Kilos> dit wou nie man
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: jy doen iets verkeerd
[18:54] <Kilos> hele tyd gese ek is klaar as Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> sug
[18:54] <Kilos> ?
[18:55] <Kilos> lemme go to unity and see wassup
[18:55] <Kilos> wbb
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: net nickserv gee 'n geldige waarskuwing
[18:56] <inetpro> 28/12 20:52:41 [NickServ]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has just authenticated as you (inetpro)
[18:59] <Kilos-> my back is breaking and head exploding
[18:59] <Kilos-> should be sleeping not fighting with a bot
[18:59] <Kilos-> btw a bot cloak is different
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: vra vir hulle by #ibid "how do I make my bot authenticate with freenode at login?"


[05:09] <ashwin1331> I have a bug with laptop battery where do i get support/fix
[05:32] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I did notice the second lot of changes weren't just image changes
[06:01] <ashwin1331> Hi guys, can i get help to fix my battery issue.
[06:05]  * mgedmin is trying to test the ubuntu-gnome rc images in testdrive
[06:06] <mgedmin> the beginning is not promising: I told testdrive to use virtualbox (because can't use kvm right now because reasons) and it launches qemu
[06:06] <mgedmin> seems to be booting (after a loooong wait while staring at a black screen with a scary failure message)
[06:08] <Noskcaj> mgedmin, Is vbox installed?
[06:09] <mgedmin> yes, and currently in use by a running vagrant vm (which is why I can't use kvm)
[06:09] <mgedmin> (I assume -- the error message was "ioctl(KVM_CREATE_VM) failed: 16 Device or resource busy")
[06:09] <Noskcaj> Is it possible to close the vagrant VM and try?
[06:10] <Noskcaj> also, #ubuntu-quality would be the place to ask for testdrive problems, but everyone there is asleep currently
[06:11] <mgedmin> so far no questions, just sharing the fun :)
[06:20] <mgedmin> ok, testdrive seems to be broken to the point of unusability so I'm not sure I can help with the image testing :/
[06:20] <mgedmin> maybe I can do that manually?
[06:23] <Noskcaj> mgedmin, All testdrive really does is zsync/rsync the image, check it's md5 sum, then launch it in a VM. So it's not too much harder to manually test
[06:23] <Noskcaj> And thank you for testing
[06:39] <ashwin1331> Hi guys i need help in fixing battery bug in ubuntu-gnome
[06:39] <mgedmin> ooh, what a trap: ~/.testdriverc has a section named [testdrive-gtk], so the cli version doesn't use any of those settings!
[06:39] <mgedmin> some vi and I'm finally booting utopic in virtualbox
[06:40] <mgedmin> the boot splash screen was in pure text mode, interesting/strange
[06:41] <mgedmin> no, the graphics are borked
[06:42] <ashwin1331> can any one tell me at least where can i get help
[06:43] <Noskcaj> ashwin1331, try adding more info to the question
[06:43] <darkxst> mgedmin, I gave up using vbox, its virtual gpu is rubbish
[06:43] <Noskcaj> !patience
[06:43] <mgedmin> this is what my mouse cursor looks like: http://i.imgur.com/I98hAQH.png :D
[06:44] <darkxst> hmm seems someone re-spun our images again, suppose that was for the plymouth fix
[06:47] <ashwin1331> Noskcaj, if my battery is less than 50% and  my laptop will shutdown if I unplug changing cable. Its new laptop - Lenovo G580. We have three same laptops in our office.
[06:48] <Noskcaj> ashwin1331, Does this happen with standard ubuntu, or only ubuntu-gnome?
[06:48] <ashwin1331> I am seeing this from ubuntu 13.04 hoping that it will be fixed in next version.
[06:48] <Noskcaj> if so, ask in #ubuntu . If it also happens in a non-ubuntu OS, it's a hardware issue
[06:48] <ashwin1331> no idea, We have ubuntu gnome on 10 laptops here.
[06:49] <ashwin1331> okay, I will try on ubuntu and fedora to narrow my issue and come back. Thank you.
[06:50] <mgedmin> hm, my vm has only 1 gig of ram, will that be enough?
[06:51] <mgedmin> I see release notes saying it needs 1.5
[06:51] <mgedmin> perhaps I should restart from the beginning after some more .testdriverc editing
[06:53] <mgedmin> oh, yes, testdrive just removed my iso and is now downloading it from scratch
[06:53] <mgedmin> brilliant
[06:53] <darkxst> mgedmin, 1GB is fine for testing
[06:54]  * mgedmin made a big mistake when he decided to do some software testing before breakfast
[06:56] <mgedmin> I saw two untranslated strings in the boot menu
[06:56] <mgedmin> now I'm sure it's too late to fix them for the final iso, but maybe I can do that for 15.04
[06:56] <mgedmin> does anybody know which package contains the translations for the iso boot menu?
[06:57] <mgedmin> (this thing here: http://i.imgur.com/gSMVrYk.png)
[06:59] <darkxst> mgedmin, syslinux or isolinux
[07:02] <darkxst> although the menu may and perhaps translations may be in syslinux-themes
[07:02] <mgedmin> I just love that there's no way to search for package name in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+lang/lt
[07:03] <mgedmin> and sorting by package name sorts just the current batch
[07:03] <mgedmin> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/syslinux/+translations has no translations
[07:03] <mgedmin> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/syslinux-themes/+translations doesn't exist
[07:04] <mgedmin> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/isolinux/+translations doesn't exist
[07:04] <darkxst> syslinux-themes-ubuntu maybe
[07:04] <mgedmin> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/syslinux-themes-ubuntu/+translations has no translations
[07:04] <mgedmin> maybe syslinux's translations are not based on gettext?
[07:05] <mgedmin> pity there's no #ubuntu-translations
[07:06] <darkxst> try #ubuntu-devel, cjwatson would probably know
[07:06] <darkxst> or xnox perhaps
[07:11] <mgedmin> I think I found a bug in the keyboard selection screen: no matter which of the available Lithuanian layouts
[07:11] <mgedmin> I choose, when I type in the test box, it seems only one of them is used
[07:11] <darkxst> mgedmin, all of that stuff is shared with ubuntu and the other flavours
[07:14] <darkxst> mgedmin, you may need to ask again an hour or two, most Canonical devs won't have started the day yet
[07:14] <darkxst> oh but many of them are in washington this week, so even later
[07:14] <mgedmin> :)
[07:16] <mgedmin> so this bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/524826
[07:16] <mgedmin> and hey look who commented on it FOUR YEARS AGO?  *me*
[07:24] <mgedmin> "Stopping SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon" is an interesting message to see in the installer
[07:25] <mgedmin> hm, it doesn't seem to be rebooting successfully
[07:27] <mgedmin> if I were to file a "fails to reboot after installing" bug, where should I file it?
[07:27] <mgedmin> it's probably not ubiquity's fault
[07:28] <mgedmin> could be kernel, could be upstart
[07:28] <mgedmin> is there any way to trigger alt-sysrq in qemu?  showTasks would be interesting to see
[07:32] <darkxst> mgedmin, just hit enter
[07:32] <mgedmin> nothing happens
[07:32] <darkxst> it will then reboot, well should
[07:32] <mgedmin> the only thing that works is Alt-Fn for switching between vt's
[07:33] <mgedmin> I can do ctrl-alt-2 to get the qemu console and system_reset
[07:33] <mgedmin> um
[07:33] <mgedmin> now the entire qemu is frozen and no longer lets me ctrl-alt-1/2/3 or type in the console
[07:34] <mgedmin> the cursor's still blinking
[07:36] <mgedmin> ok, I can run qemu again by hand with the same disk image and see if the install succeeded
[07:36] <mgedmin> can I?
[07:36] <mgedmin> $ qemu-system-x86_64 -uuid 65a27bc0-5a39-40bd-ae72-26ddbf8e9808 -m 2048 -smp 4 file=/home/mg/.cache/testdrive/img/testdrive-disk-xCcxo3.img,if=virtio,cache=writeback,index=0 -usb -usbdevice tablet -net nic,model=virtio -net user -soundhw es1370 -vga cirrus -enable-kvm
[07:36] <mgedmin> qemu-system-x86_64: -smp 4: could not open disk image file=/home/mg/.cache/testdrive/img/testdrive-disk-xCcxo3.img,if=virtio,cache=writeback,index=0: Could not open 'file=/home/mg/.cache/testdrive/img/testdrive-disk-xCcxo3.img,if=virtio,cache=writeback,index=0': No such file or directory
[07:37] <mgedmin> oops, deleted -drive accidentally while deleting -cdrom
[07:37] <darkxst> hmm maybe testdrive uses a temporary vm
[07:37] <mgedmin> yay it boots!
[07:39] <mgedmin> it doesn't appear to be using my keyboard layout correctly
[07:39] <mgedmin> and there seems to be some video corruption
[07:40] <mgedmin> in the window title: http://i.imgur.com/6RUDZBl.png
[07:41] <darkxst> mgedmin, qemu uses llvm software rendering, so should work but isnt really comparable to a real install where you have openGL
[07:43] <mgedmin> iow it's a known bug and I needn't bother reporting, yes?
[07:44] <mgedmin> right, so http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82403/testcases/1300/results is probably failed because of that 'didn't reboot' thing
[08:02] <mgedmin> do I need to create a hardware profile I was testing in a VM?
[08:06] <mgedmin> ok, what?
[08:06] <mgedmin> I submitted my testcase result, with links to bugs and everything
[08:06] <mgedmin> it told me "every failed testcase needs to have a bug blah blah"
[08:07] <mgedmin> and now it doesn't show my report and it doesn't show the form for submitting a test report
[08:08] <darkxst> I don't bother with hardware profile, just put in comments 'tested in qemu VM' or whatever
[08:09] <mgedmin> wait a second, build 82403 got archived already
[08:09] <mgedmin> and the current one is 82441
[08:09] <darkxst> hardware profile is only relevent when running reall hardware
[08:09] <mgedmin> do I test again?
[08:10] <darkxst> mgedmin, they got re-spun about an hour ago
[08:10] <darkxst> probably ok though, not much would have changed since this mornings image
[08:11] <mgedmin> on 2nd boot my keyboard layout is correct
[08:11] <mgedmin> also rebooting works
[08:15] <mgedmin> hey, maybe that's why my .iso got clobbered -- new images showed up, rsync ran
[08:15] <mgedmin> I panicked (why is it rsyncing, it had the full is already), hit ^c, and rsync (or testdrive) deleted the half-rsynced .iso
[08:16] <mgedmin> anyway I relaunch testdrive and rsync is instant
[08:16] <mgedmin> so I was testing the newest image already
[08:16] <mgedmin> just tried to submit my report in the wrong place
[08:19] <mgedmin> this is fun, I'll test again -- with lvm and encryption
[08:21] <mgedmin> oops out of disk space
[08:22] <mgedmin> whew, deleted the old .img in time
[08:22] <mgedmin> (please gently tell me if I'm too chatty)
[08:36] <mgedmin> whoops, not in time
[08:36] <mgedmin> my qemu got stopped and I didn't notice
[08:36] <mgedmin> ctrl-alt-2, cont, enter, ctrl-alt-1 and it's continuing
[08:52] <mgedmin> ok, reboot got stuck again
[09:44] <darkxst> mgedmin, really just try vmware ;)
[09:45] <darkxst> you can get the tech preview free, though it will expire once they release VMware 11
[09:48] <darkxst> https://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/workstation/vmware-workstation-technology-preview-2014
 ricotz, hi, sjoerd gave me the ok to host packaging branches on alioth
 still waiting on steve to make a script to automate uploading initial branches, but that may never happen, so will just whip up something quick
[10:04] <darkxst> branches will be at git.debian.org/pkg-gnome/ubuntu/
[10:07] <l3on> darkxst, awesome!
[10:11] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, nice! thanks for the notice
[10:13] <darkxst> will try get stuff in ubuntu GNOME packageset (gdm, mutter, shell etc) up over the weekend
[10:15] <darkxst> but longer term would be good to get everything on ppa's with ubuntu delta up there
[10:17] <darkxst> ricotz, also I test debian g-i, it works fine at run-time for everything
[10:17] <darkxst> (i.e. multiarch gir's)
[10:18] <darkxst> the fallout in debian was purely build related, and I think now that is mostly fixed
[10:18] <l3on> I asked yesterday .. no answer, I'm asking again ..  what you think about http://paste.ubuntu.com/8614197/plain/ ?
[10:19] <darkxst> l3on, I think use a pastie that doesnt require login to view!
[10:19] <l3on> mmm .. ah reight .. p.u.c requires lp login
[10:19] <l3on> *right
[10:20] <darkxst> yeh its stupid and a pain!
[10:20] <l3on> then remove /plain -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8614197/
[10:20] <ricotz> darkxst, alright
[10:20] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, it is nice to get things updated, but it would be better to actually build those in the ppa rather than binary copy them to make use of dbgsyms
[10:21] <ricotz> l3on, or use paste.debian.net ;)
[10:21] <l3on> :P
[10:23] <darkxst> ricotz, right and crap, I probably called you out on that in the past ;(
[10:33] <mgedmin> re: vmware -- I try to avoid non-free software when free alternatives exist
[10:34] <l3on> tada -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~l3on/tmp/ubuntu-themes_gtk-3.14.png :)
[10:36] <mgedmin> wheee can't enter my cryptsetup passphrase
[10:36] <mgedmin> keyboard layout issue?
[10:37] <mgedmin> sort of, yes
[10:37] <mgedmin> managed it
[10:42] <mgedmin> whee graphics
[10:42] <darkxst> l3on, can you ping me tomorrrow and I will take a look
[10:42] <l3on> darkxst, ok
[10:42] <darkxst> mgedmin, vmware has a fully open-source graphics stack and it works really well
[10:43] <mgedmin> yeah, because https://twitter.com/mgedmin/status/524873517834440704 is ridiculous
[10:44] <darkxst> mgedmin, there is a reason vmware drivers are in mainline kernel and vbox is barred from it!
[10:44] <mgedmin> I'm using kvm, not vbox
[10:45] <mgedmin> (my attempts with vbox failed even more miserably, so I shut down all my vagrant vms and switched to kvm)
[10:45] <darkxst> mgedmin, kvm, qemu etc, all use software fallbacks
[10:45] <darkxst> they don't have gl drivers
[10:46] <mgedmin> llvmpipe is surprisingly fast
[10:49] <darkxst> mgedmin, it works well enough on multi-core real hardware, but I see no end of artificats in VM's with it
[10:50] <mgedmin> isn't that strange?
[10:51] <darkxst> not really
[10:55] <mgedmin> tried gnome-boxes instead of testdrive just for fun, it segfaulted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1384170
[11:04] <darkxst> yeh boxes has been problematic on ubuntu most of the time
[15:26] <c0mrad3> hi
[15:26] <c0mrad3> any redshift users
[15:29] <c0mrad3> no one ??
[16:01] <jnxd> hi
[16:16] <jnxd> I was trying to obtain the artwork creation kit from the wiki page, but I'm getting a 503 error. Could someone point me to alternate download links or alternate kits? thanks in advance
[21:55] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Should we sync appstream-glib to PPA?
[21:55] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I think it needs packagekit update?
[21:56] <darkxst> and that seems risky
[21:56] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:06] <darkxst> we may backport it, when/if it lands in vivid
[23:43] <darkxst> Noskcaj, actually its gnome-software that depends on packagekit update
[23:43] <darkxst> and that is probably on the only component using appstream-glib right now
[23:45] <Noskcaj> vinagre uses it
[23:45] <Noskcaj> or at least wants to, debian had a revert
[23:45] <darkxst> well there is no metadata yet anyway
[23:46] <darkxst> I have no idea when Ubuntu will actually get dep11 support