[00:03] <facundobatista> kermiac, one week, or ten days ago, beuno would know better (he did it!)
[00:04] <kermiac> thanks facundobatista, beuno - great work! I really like it :)
[00:06] <beuno> kermiac, it got rolled out yesterday  :)
[00:09] <kermiac> beuno: ah, that's why I hadn't seen it before... I thought I had logged into the webui a couple of days ago. I think the dashboard is awesome on so many different levels - exactly what was needed. So much relevant info all in one place! You should be proud of your work :)
[00:10] <beuno> kermiac, thank you, that's very encouraging   :)
[00:10] <beuno> Chipaca, ^
[00:11] <kermiac> np, but really - thank you!
[00:14] <duanedesign> yes the dashboard  was a great idea, and executed very well.
[00:23] <Chipaca> kermiac: thanks :)
[00:24] <Chipaca> beuno: ⁵!
[00:28] <kermiac> np, thank you for the dashboard Chipaca :) The service status & updates section will really help users who don't subscribe to the identica feed know if/ when there are issues with the server side of things :)
[12:33] <duffydack> I`m having trouble getting U1 to do anything whatsoever.  Ive set my pictures folder to sync with U1, and its set it because I can see the Stop Sync with U1 option there now, although its greyed out.  Thing is, it doesnt sync at all, the client says disconnected.  Clicked "Connect" and "Restart" and it says synchronizing and then says disconnected, and syncs nothing
[12:33] <duffydack> I`m using Lucid, fully upto date btw.
[12:46] <kermiac> duffydack: have you filed a bug report yet? unfortunately I don't have time to help debug the issue with you right now & most of the other ppl are either not here or sleeping at this time of day/night
[12:48] <kermiac> duffydack: if you do file a bug report, please zip your $HOME/.cache/ubuntuone/log/ folder and attach the zip to the bug report. That will give whoever looks at your bug report a better chance to see what the issue is
[12:52] <duffydack> kermiac, thanks.  Ive looked at the logs myself and see things like "ubuntuone-login Invalid request token: R3NzRbcgLhl4JNdH9BcB"  and "The path is in disk but it's not a dir: '/home/dean/Documents/timesheet.xls'"
[13:11] <duanedesign> duffydack: does your ~/Pictures directory show up when you do the command:  u1sdtool --list-folders
[13:16] <duffydack> duanedesign, no, only id=2d2d5f85-d4aa-4ee7-a903-0ff07bb99b81 subscribed= path=/home/dean/Documents/timesheet.xls
[13:16] <duffydack> I clicked sync on my docs folder after i clicked it on my pics folder...
[13:16] <duanedesign> duffydack: that is odd. That is not a directory.
[13:16] <duffydack> neither have done any sync whatsoever.  there are more files than that in my docs folder as well...dont know why its concentrating on that file..
[13:17] <duanedesign> let me look at a few things and see if I can figure out how we get rid of that
[13:18] <duffydack> I`ll zip up my u1 log folder.
[13:20] <duffydack> all the files/folders in the pics folder have the icons with the 2 arrows and " ! "  to signify them waiting to be sync`d
[13:22] <duffydack> http://www.sendspace.com/file/9upo0k  my logs
[13:22]  * duanedesign looks
[13:23] <duffydack> its ddefinately failing to connect to the server somehow..
[13:24] <duffydack> Ive had it work before when I installed the client in karmic.
[13:26] <duanedesign> duffydack: okcould you quit the client/preferences window if its open
[13:26] <duanedesign> duffydack: Open Applications->Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys and click on Passwords
[13:26] <duffydack> passwords login or passwords default
[13:27] <duanedesign> really the  little triangle next to Passwords:default
[13:27] <duffydack> ive tried deleting the token before if thats what you want me to do
[13:27] <duanedesign> do you see an Ubuntu One Token?
[13:27] <duffydack> Ive also setup another account from fresh..  but i`ll try it all again if you like
[13:28] <duffydack> yes
[13:28] <duanedesign> ok right-click and delete it
[13:28] <duffydack> ok
[13:29] <duanedesign>  Go to https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/
[13:29] <duffydack> remove the machine ?
[13:29] <duanedesign> Click on the checkbox next to your computer and selest remove
[13:29] <duffydack> ok7
[13:29] <duffydack> ok
[13:30] <duanedesign> then open U1 from the Me Menu and the web page should open, prompting you to add your computer to your Ubuntu One account
[13:30] <duffydack> ok
[13:31] <duanedesign> do you have anything liek NoScript or other script blocking software?
[13:31] <duffydack> no
[13:32] <duffydack> my pics folder still has the stop sync with u1 greyed out.
[13:32] <duffydack> u1 client says disconnected, and connect is greyed out, until I press restart
[13:32] <duanedesign> could you do:  u1sdtool -q
[13:33] <duanedesign> and then: ps uaxxc | grep ubu
[13:33] <duanedesign> to find any other U1 processes
[13:33] <duffydack> ubuntuone-syncdaemon stopped
[13:34] <duanedesign> you might have to do a: killall ubuntuone-login
[13:34] <duffydack> dean      4015 12.7  0.7<PHONE_NUMBER>8 ?        Sl   13:34   0:00 ubuntuone-syncd
[13:35] <duanedesign> if you have the preferences open it probably restarted itself
[13:35] <duffydack> i closed the prefs window.  opened it again and I can click connect.
[13:36] <duanedesign> what does: u1sdtool -s
[13:36] <duanedesign> say
[13:37] <duffydack> http://pastebin.org/154793
[13:37] <duanedesign> duffydack: is that after you clicked connect?
[13:37] <duffydack> after I click connect http://pastebin.org/154798
[13:39] <duffydack> I think i`ll delete the key, remove the computer from it, reboot and retry.
[13:39] <duanedesign> ok. It is not going to do anything until that bad directory path is taken care of
[13:40] <duffydack> brb
[13:43] <duffydack> ok, now the pics folder is back to normal, no stop sync greyed out..
[13:43] <duffydack> lets try again.
[13:43] <duffydack> I also removed the timesheet.xls file from my docs.
[13:45] <duffydack> do i have to click Connect before I can add any folders to sync?
[13:48] <duffydack> u1sdtool --list-folders   still reports the same thing, and I havent even added any folders to the sync list yet.
[13:49] <duffydack> think its best to maybe clear my u1 cache folder?
[14:19] <duffydack> duanedesign, I removed all instances of ubuntuone from my home folder,  deleted the key,  and even reinstalled the packages.. its all clean, nothing in the u1 folder list now.  added my account again and trying to sync my pics folder only.
[14:20] <duffydack> duanedesign,  the 3 commands you gave me http://pastebin.org/154830
[14:23] <duffydack> duanedesign, still no go.  latest logs http://www.sendspace.com/file/du0m4h if you have time.
[14:30] <duffydack> duanedesign, I messed around and its uploading my docs folder now in user defined folders.
[14:42] <duanedesign> kk
[14:44] <duffydack> 1 question.  if I sync my stuff and then reinstall with an empty home folder and setup u1, will it delete what I have on the server?
[14:48] <duanedesign> duffydack: if you removed everything and reinstalled it should get treated as a  new computer
[14:50] <duanedesign> duffydack: what is the output of: u1sdtool -s
[14:55] <duffydack> so it wont auto sync the folders back to how they were, on my computer?   everything is working fine.  the documents folder is in the folder list, just waitin for it to finish, then I guess pics folder will be in the list.. they have the icons set to being ready to symc..
[14:55] <duffydack> sync*
[14:55] <duffydack> 4http://pastebin.org/154851
[14:56] <duffydack> http://pastebin.org/154851
[15:01] <duffydack> just wish the bandwidth limit worked.  ive set it to upload max 40kb/s because if I upload my max speed (55kb/s) it kills my downstream.. sucky dsl provider
[15:03] <duanedesign> duffydack: just dont set either read or write to 0
[15:04] <duanedesign> duffydack: looks as though its ok.
[15:06] <duffydack> i only set upload to 40k, download is set as default 2048
[15:07] <duffydack> which I dont get.. it doesnt download anything.
[15:09] <duanedesign> duffydack: if you upload something through the webUI it does not download to your computer?
[15:10] <duffydack> duanedesign, doh, never tried that...
[15:12] <duanedesign> you can also edit and create tomboy notes and contacts in the webUI
[15:22] <duffydack> duanedesign, does yours notify you?  for me there is no notification to say when updating or updated
[15:30] <Chipaca> duffydack: when what updating or updated?
[15:32] <duffydack> in karmic, it would use the notification system to tell you when its updating your files, etc
[15:32] <Chipaca> yes
[15:32] <Chipaca> that was deemed un-userfriendly and binned
[15:33] <Chipaca> I think it was a regression, and I'll try to get some kind of notifications back
[15:33] <duffydack> even just 1 notification like , finished updating files.
[15:33] <Chipaca> but, for lucid, no notifications
[15:33] <duffydack> just so I know.. without opening the client
[15:34] <Chipaca> yep. Nope, not in lucid
[15:34] <Chipaca> not unless you build your own :-/
[15:34] <Chipaca> I mean, the syncdaemon is still broadcasting the info over dbus
[15:34] <Chipaca> we're just not doing anything with it
[15:35] <duffydack> well more problems now.. my docs folder is sync`d up ok, but my pics folder isnt being sync`d.. its set to, and icons are there as if to say its waiting to upload them, but its not, and the u1sdtool --list-folders  only reports my docs folder
[15:36] <duffydack> and only Stop sync with U1 is greyed out in context menu
[15:36] <Chipaca> duffydack: first, u1sdtool --status
[15:36] <Chipaca> duffydack: what does it say?
[15:39] <duffydack> just a sec, restarted in the client.
[15:39] <Chipaca> duffydack: why restart?
[15:39] <Chipaca> it sets you back a chunk
[15:40] <duffydack> to see if it would sync my other folder
[15:42] <duffydack> http://pastebin.org/154876
[15:43] <duffydack> http://pastebin.org/154877    no pics folder...
[15:54] <Chipaca> duffydack: try asking for sync of that folder again
[15:54] <duffydack> cant..
[15:54] <duffydack> they are both set to sync and the only option is Stop sync, and its greyed out anyway
[15:55] <Chipaca> duffydack: killall nautilus
[15:55] <Chipaca> (it'll come back up)
[15:58] <duffydack> both are now not set to sync
[15:59] <Chipaca> duffydack: wait a few seconds for nautilus to chat with syncdaemon
[15:59] <Chipaca> umm
[15:59] <Chipaca> heh, that won't happen until syncdaemon does a state change
[15:59] <Chipaca> here, trigger a state change:
[15:59] <Chipaca> u1sdtool --refresh="$HOME/Ubuntu One"
[16:00] <duffydack> just set pics to sync and it killed nautilus
[16:00] <Chipaca> ouch! that's not nice
[16:00] <Chipaca> duffydack: have you updated today?
[16:02] <Chipaca> duffydack: in any case: it seems for some reason the syncing of your pictures folder didn't get set
[16:02] <Chipaca> duffydack: you should be able to do it from nautilus, and if you can't it's a bug, but meanwhile, here's how you do it with u1sdtool:
[16:02] <Chipaca> u1sdtool --create-folder="$HOME/path/to/folder"
[16:02] <duffydack> my docs folder isnt set to sync, well as far as the context menu and the icons dont reflect being sync`d, theyre just standard icons
[16:03] <duffydack> its still in the u1sdtool --list-folders
[16:03] <Chipaca> if it's in --list-folders, it's set to sync
[16:04] <Chipaca> duffydack: a way to know what sync state an individual file is within that folder is using u1sdtool --info
[16:05] <Chipaca> duffydack: note you can't sync folders outside of your home
[16:05] <duffydack> I have another laptop with same folders, and ive setup ubuntuone, it has the same exact files in docs, and its uploading them all over again.. uhh
[16:06] <Chipaca> duffydack: also, if you go to edge.one.ubuntu.com, click on 'files', and see if the folder is there
[16:06] <Chipaca> duffydack: and what the contents are
[16:09] <duffydack> ok now the stop sync option is there and available..
[16:09] <Chipaca> on both?
[16:10] <Chipaca> if they are getting updated from another notebook, it either means the folder was 'stuck' and the files weren't actually getting synced (that is a bug, please file it), or that the files were not really the same. You can tell the former from the latter by looking on the web at what is already uploaded
[16:11] <duffydack> no ive only just setup this other laptop
[16:11] <duffydack> the files were already there, exactly the same files...i just only now setup U1
[16:12] <Chipaca> duffydack: did you look on the web interface to see what was there?
[16:12] <duffydack> the files are there, 79.5mb used.. i checked after it sent from this 1st laptop
[16:12] <duffydack> they are being sent again tho from the other laptop.
[16:16] <Chipaca> how are you checking that?
[16:17] <duffydack> the icons reflect the state of sync they are in and my upload speed is in full use
[16:17] <duffydack> and the list on the webpage says when last updated.
[16:18] <Chipaca> a silly question: you used the same Ubuntu One account on both computers, right? :)
[16:18] <duffydack> yup
[16:18] <duffydack> same username and password for the ubuntu account as well.
[16:18] <duffydack> wihch means nothing i know
[16:19] <duffydack> its sort of like my backup laptop, its got all my docs and pics..
[16:20] <Chipaca> duffydack: does md5sum of the files agree with you in that they are the same?
[16:20] <duffydack> the pics folder i have set to sync has the grey exclamation and arrows, so its set, but isnt uploading..
[16:21] <duffydack> yes, they are the same...
[16:26] <Chipaca> duffydack: re them being re-uploaded: they're in the same folder also?
[16:26] <duffydack> I dont know whats going on but the 2nd laptop is still sending, its sent more mb then is to be sent...there is still 79.5mb in use on u1 server
[16:27] <Chipaca> duffydack: I can't help you much more (gotta run), but you're having rather strange issues. Maybe somebody else can help dissect what's going on.
[16:27] <Chipaca> duffydack: u1sdtool is your friend :)
[16:28] <duffydack> ok its stopped..
[16:28] <duffydack> but the files arent finished, according to the state of the icons
[16:28] <duffydack> damnit.. now they are...
[16:28] <duffydack> i waited a while as well..
[16:29] <duffydack> right, so its finished sending the same files all over again.. I`ll try get pics folder to work
[16:29] <duffydack> thanka for the help
[16:31] <duffydack> now my pics folder is in the --list-folders output...i never did anything.  this u1 thing is rather upperty downerty lol
[16:32] <Chipaca> duffydack: it means the request to sync them finally got done
[16:33] <duffydack> yeah, been waiting couple of minutes and nothing being uploaded yet.. i`ll wait
[16:33] <Chipaca> duffydack: --waiting-content and --waiting-metadata show you queues of stuff waiting to happen
[16:33] <duffydack> it says sync in progress in the client
[16:33] <duffydack> k
[16:34] <duffydack> I can see by the icons of the files they are waiting.. the tool reports the same
[16:34] <duffydack> and stop sync is greyed out.. so its all set to go, just it aint.. I`ll go make a cuppa and see..
[16:36] <duffydack> all the icons on the 2nd laptops pic folder with the SAME files have changed to the same.. i shut it down for now, in case its conflicting.
[16:56] <duffydack> ok, waited and waited, and waited.....and now its uploading the pics folder.  got there in the end,.
[17:04] <duanedesign> duffydack: great
[17:17] <duffydack> ok so ive got docs folders on both laptops, both are sync`d, but ive deleted 1 file from the folder, and its gone from the server but not from the 2nd laptop
[17:18] <Chipaca> duffydack: it is slow
[17:18] <Chipaca> duffydack: we'll be working on making it fast during M
[17:19] <Chipaca> duffydack: for kicks, you can turn on debug of the syncdaemon and watch the logs. Hours of fun!
[17:19] <duffydack> 15-20mins to update wether 1 file is there or not ?
[17:19] <duffydack> well more than, as its not done it yet
[17:19] <Chipaca> duffydack: depending on what the clients are doing, yeah, that or more
[17:20] <duanedesign> lol, funny you should say that..I had mine open yesterday and watching :  tail -fn 50 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[17:20] <duffydack> not doing anything now..
[17:20] <Chipaca> duffydack: with both clients idle and connected to the same backend server, it should be faster. But the "connected to the same server" is unknownable
[17:20] <Chipaca> duffydack: the server you connect to uses an asynchronous bus to talk with the others
[17:20] <duffydack> 2nd laptop is a netbook sat on my lap while i play around with this u1
[17:21] <Chipaca> duffydack: if you want the change *now*, you can use u1sdtool --refresh
[17:21] <Chipaca> on the folder
[17:21] <Chipaca> otherwise, at some point the server you're connected to gets the "this folder has changed" notification to you. But with no time promises.
[17:22] <duffydack> ive not noticed the bookmarks sync work yet either.
[17:23] <Chipaca> duffydack: that is separate. Have you installed the plugin?
[17:23] <duffydack> bindwood, yeah
[17:23] <duffydack> on both
[17:23] <Chipaca> extension, rather :)
[17:23] <duffydack> yup
[17:24] <Chipaca> duffydack: hmm... i don't know enough couch to help you I'm afraid
[17:24] <Chipaca> duffydack: snag somebody who knows more couch :)
[17:25] <duffydack> 2nd laptops pic folder still has the grey arrows and !   tho i sync`d the same folder on the 1st laptop a while ago.
[17:25] <duffydack> the same folder, md5sums and all.
[17:26] <duffydack> i had it shut down while it sync`d on the 1st laptop also..just in case.
[17:30] <duffydack> I ran refresh on the folder and still waiting..  the client on both has said sync in progress for quite some time now. yet there is nothig to sync, apart from the refresh I just set off.
[17:35] <duffydack> refresh for pics gets error. http://pastebin.org/154992  only on 2nd laptop tho
[18:00] <duanedesign> duffydack: I am not sure what that error is. I have had the same error for a couple weeks and it doesn't seem to hurt syncing on my computer
[18:20] <duffydack> 2nd laptops doc folder hasnt been updated to remove the file I removed from 1st laptop..
[18:38] <ruthgard> Hello Where can I find help about how to connect my couchdb to ubuntuone? I am a newbie python ubuntu dev using quickly
[18:39] <duanedesign> hello ruthgard
[18:41] <duanedesign> ruthgard:See Resources at bottom. Tthe first link has a nice quick overview. The last one, the book, 'CouchDB: The Definitive Guide' is a good in depth look at CouchDB
[18:42] <duanedesign> CouchDB: The Definitive Guide
[18:42] <duanedesign> ahh
[18:42] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/ThirdPartyProjects
[18:43] <duanedesign> ruthgard: feel free to add your project to that page as well.
[18:44] <duanedesign> 2/4
[19:48] <duffydack> Its very slow going from 1 file to another, small files as well.  that plus the time for it to even start sync, adds up to a lot..
[20:08] <duffydack> So what do I need to do for it to sync my pics folder thats on the server to my other computers pics folder, yes with the same u1 account..
[20:12] <ruthgard> This is so confusing
[20:12] <ruthgard> I have couchDB in my app so that is all good and well
[20:12] <ruthgard> All the posts refer to how to work with couchdb
[20:13] <ruthgard> it does not however tell me how to sync my desktop couch db with u1
[20:26] <duffydack> I waited ages and my docs folders contents has appeared on my other pc, now just waiting for pics.  nothing is coming up in u1sdtool --waiting-content
[23:55] <midkniht> jchris is a pimp


[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[09:12] <davidcalle> dholbach: dpm, I'll be coordinating with fo0bar in #webops when he is around and ready for the upgrade.
[09:18] <dpm> davidcalle, looking forward to it!
[09:24] <dholbach> <3
[14:02] <dholbach> davidcalle, how are things looking? :)
[14:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: no clouds in sight! But still waiting for the pilot ;-)
[14:06] <dholbach> I like the mental imagery already - let's hope it won't be a crash landing :-)


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[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 3.28.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[09:37] <Laney> maybe reject the older gnome-shell to avoid accidents
[09:37] <Laney> it's a bit bad :-)
[09:38] <didrocks> Laney: flushed
[09:39] <Laney> 🚽
[09:39] <Laney> thanks!
[09:39] <didrocks> :)
[09:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-shell [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[09:39]  * apw boggles at what utf-8 has allowed as a 'character'
[09:40] <Laney> 🆕
[09:41] <Laney> bet there's an interesting story about how those square icon ones got in there
[09:41] <Laney> 🆖  <- ???
[09:43] <apw> you always need an NG, so you can 🆕
[09:43] <apw> 🆕🆖
[09:43] <apw> well lets just say ... that isn't working very well for me
[09:44] <apw> appearing and dissappearing at random, qualit
[09:45] <infinity> Those are all just diamonds with question marks for me.  I really need to fix that some day.
[09:45] <infinity> Or maybe I don't.  Keep the mystery alive.
[09:45] <Laney> Yep, you're missing out on being down with da kidz
[09:45] <Laney> In this context apw and I are kidz
[09:46] <infinity> Yeah, when I think "hip and cool", you're the first two that spring to mind.
[09:46]  * apw *beams*
[09:47] <Laney> ITYM 😁
[09:48] <infinity> didrocks: Thanks for getting Trevinho's fixes into cosmic.  Maybe I can go to debconf with a laptop that works. :P
[09:48]  * apw is infinity's 'da kidz' Laney is mine
[09:48] <didrocks> infinity: this was his secret plan to have you switching back to Unity ;)
[09:48] <infinity> apw: What does that even MEAN?
[09:48] <infinity> didrocks: Hahaha.
[09:49] <infinity> didrocks: If I hadn't purged it with fire already, I totally would have swapped back yesterday.
[09:49] <apw> infinity, _so_ old
[09:49] <didrocks> infinity: heh ;)
[09:49] <infinity> didrocks: Instead, I just spent many hours being very angry every time I hit <Super> until I discovered what to blame and downgrade.
[09:49] <apw> infinity, does that imply that if i updated yesterday and have yet to reboot, i probabally shouldn't
[09:49] <infinity> apw: Yeah.  Don't log out.
[09:49] <apw> yay
[09:50] <infinity> apw: Or, upgrade gnome-shell with what just hit the release pocket 20m ago.
[09:50] <apw> i'll do the latter
[09:50] <didrocks> infinity: yeah, at least, downgrading was easy…
[09:50] <apw> yay for distractions that stop you doing things
[09:51] <infinity> apw: It was a pretty brutal bug.  Hitting <Super> made all your application windows forever inaccessible, and the only fix was to log out, log back in, and TRY VERY HARD TO NOT HIT SUPER AGAIN.
[09:51] <infinity> (Or downgrade gnome-shell)
[09:51] <apw> that would make me throw things, hard
[09:51] <Laney> "occasional, even frequent, breakage"
[09:52] <Laney> YEEHAW
[09:52] <apw> "occastional, even frequent, huge annoyance inducing, breakage"
[09:52] <infinity> It really just continues to show that, no matter how hard you try, you can't automate testing of GUI software.  You just have to fling it at a user and wait for them to throw something heavier back at your head.
[09:53] <infinity> (Though, a little bit of local testing might have been nice *cough*)
[09:56] <apw> does gnome-shell run on mac osx ?
[09:56] <infinity> In theory, it could.
[09:56] <infinity> Not sure if anyone would.
[09:59] <Laney> Why am I so crap at wrapping presents?
[09:59] <Laney> Oops, didn't mean to field that question to #ubuntu-release
[09:59] <Laney> But now you can share my angst
[10:01] <infinity> Laney: We can solve a lot of problems here, but your hand-eye coordination isn't one of them.
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: yaru-theme (cosmic-proposed/primary) [18.10]
[10:16] <Ukikie> Laney: I find copious amounts of ducttape help, if nothing else then it adds some humor to it. >_>
[10:31] <apw> Laney, because you are a perfectionist
[10:38] <tsimonq2> infinity: From the Twitter response I've been getting, it seems we're seeing an increasing amount of people who have trained their cats to test ISOs. :P
[11:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: clevis [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10-1] (no packageset)
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[12:06] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: Could I please get a review on this MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/software-properties/port-away-from-kde/+merge/349592
[12:08] <infinity> 18k line diff?
[12:08] <infinity> Pass.
[12:11] <tsimonq2> infinity: Lots of mv'ing.
[12:11] <tsimonq2> Fell free to diff the files.   But that day won't be soon.  So you might want to find another victim. :P
[12:12] <tsimonq2> Hah.
[12:12] <infinity> (I go straight from 18.04.1 to the airport)
[12:12] <tsimonq2> Oh, nice.
[12:12] <infinity> I guess.
[12:13] <tsimonq2> debconf?
[12:13] <infinity> Aye.
[12:13] <tsimonq2> Sounds like fun.
[12:13] <infinity> Thus proving you've never attended DebConf.
[12:13] <tsimonq2> Hah.
[12:13] <tsimonq2> I haven't.
[12:13] <tsimonq2> I want to, though.
[12:14] <infinity> If you have a desperate need to see middle aged nerds in kilts, you'll love it.
[12:14] <tsimonq2> Hahahahahaha.
[12:15] <sil2100> wow
[12:15] <sil2100> ;)
[12:15] <tsimonq2> What's the ratio of kilted people to non-kilted people? :P
[12:16] <infinity> I mean, it's mostly (but not exclusively) the Debian UK folks who are fond of the (registered, if I recall?) Debian tartan, and the kilts they had made using it, but there are a fair few of that group.
[12:16] <infinity> Let me tell you, being good at writing system software has exactly zero correlation with how pretty your knees are.
[12:16] <tsimonq2> Ah.
[12:17] <tsimonq2> Hah.
[12:24] <infinity> tsimonq2: https://wiki.debian.org/Tartan
[12:37] <tsimonq2> infinity: You weren't kidding!
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.17.0-6.7] (core, kernel)
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[13:20] <ddstreet> sil2100, rbasak, other sru people, you might want to review lp #1779863 as it has the potential to need rebuilding for a lot of packages in Bionic.  not uploaded yet.
[13:20] <ddstreet> just fyi
[13:54] <apw> ddstreet, people use pre-built binaries from random people ... uggg
[13:54] <ddstreet> apw indeed, which is why i highlighted it here...it's got potential for large headaches for lots of people
[13:55] <ddstreet> alternately, if we do nothing, it seems there's an existing group of poeple who currently have headaches...
[13:56] <apw> ddstreet, this is a somewhat confusing statement as the abi change is openssl and nothing to do with nodejs, well unless nodejs changes its ABI based on that library which seems a little ludicrous
[13:56] <apw> and if that is true ought to tell us their abi managemenet is next to insane; nearly as bad as binutils
[13:56] <ddstreet> apw yeah it's a bit hard to follow and there's quite a lot of discussion around that in the debian bug, but essentially people pre-build nodejs 'addon
[13:56] <ddstreet> ' binaries
[13:57] <ddstreet> and then distribute those addon pre-built binaries with 'npm'
[13:57] <apw> so if we just called our version 8.1.ubuntu, then they couldn't make prebuilt ones
[13:57] <ddstreet> and, since they're pre-built, they link against whatever openssl that the upstream nodejs used
[13:57] <apw> that really sounds like insane behaviour to expect that to work, as there must be many other things which could make that break
[13:58] <ddstreet> well, blocking them from using prebuilt nodejs binaries is possible i suppose, but wouldn't really gain us anything other than further upsetting those people who distribute/use pre-built nodejs addon binaries
[13:58] <infinity> ddstreet: I have a hard time believing it would actually require rebuilding all 1090 rdeps, or even a small fraction of that.
[13:58] <ddstreet> oh i don't disagree with it being insane...
[13:58] <ddstreet> infinity possibly not - i only rdep'ed it
[13:58] <ddstreet> did not look into any of the rdeps
[13:59] <infinity> apw: It's slightly more insane that expecting a perl5 or python2.7 script to work with a Debian perl or python, but not by much.  Upstream guarantees ABI stability and we broke it.  *shrug*
[13:59] <apw> infinity, well we only broke it because they are (presumably) exposing an internal openssl data type through their own ABI
[14:00] <ddstreet> their argument is npm is similar to pip or other non-distro package installers
[14:00] <infinity> ddstreet: Tearing them all apart and looking for refs to any symbols dropped between 1.0 and 1.1 shouldn't be hard to script.  It's probably a fairly small set.
[14:00] <infinity> apw: Oh, sure, the fact that they don't opaquely wrap OpenSSL is perhaps a bit insane. :P
[14:00] <ddstreet> infinity probably not many of them actually directly use openssl symbols - but really i have no idea
[14:01] <apw> well its not insane if you build nativly for every platform, but if you make binary blobs with code in, and ship it ...
[14:01] <infinity> apw: But when one of your library deps breaks both ABI and API as drastically as OpenSSL did, you have the decision to try to wrap it backward-compatibly or throw your hands in the air.    The people distributing against that ABI aren't the same people.
[14:03]  * apw cralws off into a corner sobbing
[14:04] <infinity> apw: Imagine if libc6, which includes libm and libpthread, suddenly broke ABI in libm, only on Ubuntu, cause we decided some new math routines were better.
[14:04] <infinity> That's kinda what this is. :P
[14:04] <infinity> In other words, I think it's a legit bug.
[14:05] <infinity> I think it would also be legit for us to say "sucks to be you" and not action it, but it's worth investigating the actual impact first.
[14:05] <apw> but that leaves us in a horrible place where we cannot update openssl becuase nodejs is in the archive
[14:05] <apw> which is insane in its own way
[14:06] <infinity> We have openssl1.0 in main anyway.
[14:06] <infinity> This isn't about needing an *identical* version to upstream's bundle, just ABI-compatible.
[14:06] <infinity> So 1.0, not 1.1
[14:06]  * apw huddles tighter into the corner
[14:07] <infinity> I'm not convinced we can actually support openssl1.0 for 5 years, but that's the security team's problem.
[14:07] <infinity> And nodejs is is universe, so that's even less of a problem.
[15:05] <rbasak> Well that was fun to read.
[15:32] <jibel> sil2100, xenial pending promoted to current
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[15:50] <didrocks> hum, I have never seen this, anything I should worry about? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaru-theme/18.10/+build/15167072
[15:51] <Laney> didrocks: looks like it's still working to me - see the "." and "o" at the start of some of the lines
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[15:51] <didrocks> Laney: indeed
[15:52] <didrocks> let's wait then
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[15:52]  * Laney holds breath
[15:52] <didrocks> ;)
[16:05] <Laney> didrocks: done!!!!
[16:05] <didrocks> Laney: indeed, nice! were you refreshing the page? I just did it 30s ago and it wasn't :)
[16:06] <Laney> yes I had to know when to breathe again
[16:06] <didrocks> heh
[16:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: yaru-theme [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [18.10] (no packageset)
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[16:34] <rbasak> rbalint: ^ wrong destination?
[16:37] <infinity> ypwong: Not sure if you noticed the call for testing, but I haven't seen any Kylin 18.04.1 testing, so thought I'd poke you (maybe it's just a timezone issue)
[16:42] <apw> rbasak, either way we're going to reject it for version
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[17:01] <rbalint> rbasak, ah, yes, pleas reject it
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