[08:41] <Spass> bluesabre, hi, I'm on xfce4-screensaver 0.1.8 (on 18.04 with QA Staging) and it works fine, but I see one minor issue on my system and I'm not sure if it's my GTK theme fault
[08:41] <Spass> https://i.ibb.co/MBNFHms/xfce-saver.png
[08:42] <Spass> buttons are overlapping, and is it possible to change the date format somewhere in the config file? it looks strange on my language settings now
[08:42] <Unit193> I had two issues with it, and one minor one. :/
[08:43] <Spass> I'm happy that I could get rid of gnome-screensaver now
[08:43] <Unit193> xscreensaver was/is my goto.
[08:43] <Spass> yeah, I was using it before gnome's too
[08:43] <Unit193> xfce4-screensaver is the only one that's got a chance of replacing it. :P
[08:44] <Spass> so far its functionality seems to be working fine, it just needs some polish :) overall I'm happy with it so far (but I'm using it for only one day)
[15:25] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Swift is py3 now, promote back in. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=a41e2282dc5d5a70a6603afa001d66fcb89bb367 (by Dimitri John Ledkov)


[09:08] <nmzm> Hello everyone. I'm sorry for disturbing you yet again. I'm trying to learn how to set up .bashrc. I understand that HISTFILESIZE= without value will remove any limits, but if I'll put 0, then it will do the same or it will disable bash_history?
[09:11] <akem> Maybe you should ask in #bash.
[09:11] <nmzm> akem: thank you, gonna ask there :)
[13:22] <errthfg> hello i need help immediately
[13:22] <errthfg> i am getting cant create partition error most time
[13:23] <errthfg> also after installation by formatiing evrthing on pc its showing to insert bootable disk
[13:24] <errthfg> i installed llubuntu and its showinh to insert bootable disk
[20:32] <n-iCe> Question
[20:32] <n-iCe> Is lubuntu still using less resources than xubuntu?
[20:33] <wxl> should be, yep. i mean, low resource usage is a design consideration for us, but not for them. they've been lucky to be lightweight.
[20:38] <n-iCe> I bought a laptop/pc
[20:38] <n-iCe> With windows 10
[20:38] <n-iCe> Would like to install linuz
[20:38] <n-iCe> Linux
[20:39] <akemhp> If you want a real native Linux, you'll first need to shrink the Windows partition to get some free space to install Linux.
[20:40] <akemhp> I suggest 50/50. Then you can run the Live USB installer.
[20:43] <n-iCe> Does lubuntu has a tablet mode?
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> Does lubuntu has a tablet mode?], You can always configure it
 @n-iCe [<n-iCe> Is lubuntu still using less resources than xubuntu?], As far as I have measured, yes. Still it's my own experience.


[22:31] <eugenekorpan> hello everyone. small question. Where can I download drivers from for ubunte for matherboard?
[22:32] <alkisg> Hi, for generic ubuntu questions try asking in #ubuntu
[22:33] <eugenekorpan> thanks


[05:48] <AfC> Yet another bad day trying to use Git.
[05:48] <bob2> it's not so complicated nowadays
[05:49] <AfC> bob2: I just discovered Git is incapable of tracking empty directories. #lame
[05:49] <bob2> yeah
[05:49] <bob2> it tracks files and symlinks only
[06:04] <felipec> AfC: at least it's capable of tracking more than one branch
[06:07] <bob2> all useful vc systems can do that though
[06:07] <felipec> bob2: and by branch I don't mean a repository
[06:08] <bob2> yes I know what a branch is
[06:08] <bob2> are you whinging about bzr-colo not existing or something?
[06:09] <felipec> bob2: I don't know what bzr-colo is, but I meant that bzr branch != git branch, more like git clone
[06:10] <bob2> ok!
[06:10] <bob2> anyway, bzr-colo or just use git
[06:11] <felipec> I'm looking at bzr-colo, and it looks like it's more like mercurial branches... still not the same
[06:11] <bob2> it's not
[06:11] <felipec> origin/master <- that I like
[06:12] <lifeless> felipec: bzr-colo is nearly identical to git's model of branches
[06:12] <lifeless> its not at all like mercurial
[06:13] <bob2> I think that's a complaint about branch identifiers not the branch model
[06:13] <felipec> lifeless: so, I can have master, devel, feature-a, origin/master, origin/next, bob/master, alice/feature-b, etc.?
[06:14] <lifeless> felipec: yes, they sit in a subdirectory of off the root
[06:14] <lifeless> and AIUI can have arbitrary names
[06:15] <felipec> lifeless: it's not about the name, it's about tracking a remote repository
[06:17] <felipec> it looks like there's support for a single remote repository, or workspace... I guess that's better than nothing
[06:17] <lifeless> felipec: each branch tracks a remote branch
[06:17] <lifeless> felipec: and there is a (not optimised) plugin to track entire repos
[06:18] <lifeless> gluing the two together should be fairly easy, if you want to do that
[06:21] <felipec> all right, my git-remote-bzr is looking good :) http://pastie.org/5179942
[08:19] <AfC> Yet another bad day trying to use Git.
[08:20] <AfC> I just discovered `git status` writes a file somewhere
[08:21] <AfC> Unreal
[08:22] <bob2> are you running it over fuse
[11:29] <AfC> bob2: no. It's .git/index.lock that gets {..., CLOSE_WRITE, CLOSE}.
[16:55] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
[16:55] <Wiz_KeeD> if i made a commit and i would like to change the title of the commit...how do i do that?
[17:04] <jelmer> Wiz_KeeD: bzr uncommit && bzr commit
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> aww i have to uncommit :(
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> i have to revert to that revission
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> uncommig
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> commit
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> then head back
[17:24] <jelmer> Wiz_KeeD: yep - you can't really edit existing revisions, just create new ones
[17:25] <Wiz_KeeD> heh
[17:25] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks man
[17:25] <Wiz_KeeD> i'll be more careful then
[17:28] <maxb> It would be quite nice to have a 'bzr commit --amend' that implicitly based its parent revision on the parent-of-the-parent and preloaded the old commit message in the editor
[17:30] <jelmer> indeed - there is a bug report open about that I think
[18:21] <SamB_MacG5> okay, what the heck ... I have to deal with stale locks on *launchpad* now?
[18:48] <jelmer> SamB_MacG5: only if connections actually got interrupted, etc?
[20:58] <SamB_MacG5> jelmer: I don't know how it came to exist, really ...
[20:58] <SamB_MacG5> but it was like a hundred days old
[20:59]  * SamB_MacG5 doesn't check his cron mail very often ...
[22:41]  * SamB_MacG5 thinks the SVN protocols ought to add a FAST-EXPORT <path> type of command ...
[22:43] <fullermd> If we just replace all SVN usage with some DVCS or other, we can bypass that whole problem   8-}
[22:44] <SamB_MacG5> yeah, but while people are still using various DVCSes with SVN repositories ...
[23:03]  * SamB_MacG5 discovers debianlp:; doesn't remember seeing that in the bzr docs ...
[23:47] <felipec> jelmer: I was able to import/export to/from bzr without bzr-fastimport: http://pastie.org/5186077
[23:50] <felipec> still missing a few features, but not bad for a couple days of work :)


[00:56] <lamalex> hey, can I cancel a VCS import?
[00:57] <wgrant> lamalex: You can request that an admin suspend or remove it.
[00:57] <wgrant> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code
[00:58] <lamalex> wgrant: is that where I make the request?
[00:58] <wgrant> lamalex: Yes.
[00:59] <lamalex> thanks :)
[01:57] <vorian> my @kubuntu.org alias is not working (added on 24 July).  How long does it take these days?
[01:58] <vorian> ~steve.stalcup
[02:18] <wgrant> vorian: #canonical-sysadmin is better.
[02:19] <pablo> hi, if i create an account do nothing and delete it, why does it detects i am activating it again?
[02:19] <wgrant> pablo: You didn't delete your account; you deactivated it.
[02:19] <vorian> thanks wgrant
[02:20] <wgrant> vorian: Working week is better too.
[02:20] <pablo> wgrant: which is the diference?
[02:20] <pablo> cant it be deleted?
[02:21] <wgrant> pablo: Accounts cannot be deleted, because there are other objects referencing them.
[02:21] <vorian> alright
[02:21] <wgrant> pablo: When deactivated, pretty much no information about the account is revealed.
[02:22] <pablo> wgrant: but if i did nothing, what is refering to it?
[02:23] <pablo> wgrant: can another user take the username i left?
[02:24] <wgrant> pablo: There would probably still be something referring to it. But even if there isn't, accounts are not deleted.
[02:25] <pablo> wgrant: ...
[02:25] <wgrant> pablo: It seems that your account is renamed when you deactivate your account, to free up the namespace.
[02:27] <wgrant> pablo: Bug #407189 is about hiding the name of deactivated accounts.
[02:27] <pablo> wgrant: ok, and waht does stays if i did nothing, only the mail and the renamed user?
[02:27] <wgrant> pablo: I believe so, but I couldn't be sure. Why?
[02:29] <pablo> wgrant: lol, just wondering why isnt it removed
[02:29] <wgrant> pablo: Probably because only in very very very few cases would it be possible.
[02:50] <pablo> wgrant: cant you delete it xD
[02:51] <wgrant> pablo: I'm just a hopefully well-informed user. I have no more access than you do.
[03:33] <pablo> wgrant: ok thanks
[06:38] <lamalex> man, requesting launchpad admins to do stuff to your branches is such an epic fail..
[06:47] <micahg> lamalex: I can't imagine how many requests they get vs amount of people
[06:50] <lamalex> micahg: are you thinking it's quite high?
[06:50] <lamalex> I'm not criticizing the admins, I'm criticizing the system
[06:51] <lamalex> the requests to admin ratio is what makes it such a fail
[06:51] <lamalex> oh man though, I just realized lp is now open source
[06:51] <lamalex> and if I want I can fix this
[06:51] <micahg>  indeed
[06:51] <micahg> exactly :)
[06:53] <lamalex> anyway- before I do that are any admins around to delete a vcs import? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/78862
[06:53] <lamalex> I would like to push this branch and resurrect this dead project
[07:18] <lamalex> any admins around? eh?
[07:19] <beuno> lamalex, let me see if I can help
[07:20] <lamalex> beuno: I need to delete a vcs import
[07:20] <beuno> lamalex, looking at the question
[07:21] <beuno> lamalex, I need you to delete this series: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/tangerine/trunk
[07:23] <wgrant> beuno: Why not rather just unlink the branch?
[07:23] <wgrant> Deleting the series is overkill.
[07:23] <beuno> yes
[07:23] <beuno> unlinking is better
[07:23] <beuno> :)
[07:24] <beuno> lamalex, if you unlink it, I'll delete it
[07:24] <lamalex> also i cant delete that series because its development focus and the only series available
[07:25] <beuno> lamalex, just unlink it
[07:25] <lamalex> done
[07:26] <beuno> lamalex, done
[07:26] <lamalex> merci :)
[07:26] <beuno> de rien
[09:11] <maxb> Are there any tricks to using "bzr lp-open"? It seems to just complain that "bzr: ERROR: . is not registered on Launchpad." for me unless I give it an explicit branch URL, even though I'm running it inside a launchpad branch directory
[09:14] <wgrant> maxb: From a little bit of trial and error, it seems to use the push branch.
[09:15] <maxb> Hmm. Odd that it doesn't consider the parent
[09:16]  * maxb enqueues another "I need to find time to write a patch for ..."
[09:16] <wgrant> It would be more reasonable to use the bound location than the parent.
[09:16] <wgrant> The parent probably isn't right.
[09:36] <maxb> No?
[09:36] <maxb> I'm thinking of the lp-sourcedeps branches, for example - parent makes sense there
[09:37] <maxb> Unrelated: Does launchpad notify someone when you subscribe them to a bug, or do you then need to post a comment to the bug which will go to them?
[09:38] <wgrant> maxb: Isn't parent going to be the branch that I branched from, which is not right?
[12:11] <LarstiQ> maxb, wgrant: I'm pretty sure it opens the public location?
[12:12] <maxb> perhaps. Unfortunately the public location tends not to be set for ad-hoc local branches
[12:13] <maxb> If public and push are not defined, it makes sense to use parent, I think.
[12:13] <maxb> I guess I could just do a noop "bzr push :parent" everywhere first
[12:16] <spiv> Perhaps bzr should allow you to use aliases (such as :parent) in locations.conf?  So then you could have [/] public_location=:parent, if you really want that default behaviour.
[12:16] <spiv> (I certainly don't want that, but a minority of users do keep asking for it)
[12:19] <LarstiQ> spiv: I would really like having those aliases (and lp:) work in more places, like in --stacked-on=
[12:20] <spiv> LarstiQ: yeah, in random parameters would be great.
[12:21] <spiv> LarstiQ: perhaps we should have Option(..., type=branch_location) or something in addition to type=unicode, etc?
[12:21] <spiv> LarstiQ: Anyway, file bugs :)
[12:22] <spiv> Or patches, I don't mind ;)
[12:23] <LarstiQ> spiv: my queue of outstanding patches is full at the moment, but I'll file a bug ;P
[12:24] <spiv> LarstiQ: :)
[12:55] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/papaya "Started 3 days, 1 hour, 34 minutes, 14.3 seconds  ago" ??? it's stuck dling the debs..
[12:57] <Hobbsee> that looks...broken
[13:00] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You have privileges to cancel it, don't you? :P
[13:01] <Hobbsee> no ;)
[13:16] <fta> please don't kill the history, like last time someone killed one of my builds
[13:17] <LarstiQ> history?
[13:37] <maxb> cprov: Stuck builds on papaya and gold, can you help?
[13:38] <maxb> and osmium
[13:38] <maxb> and iridium
[13:38] <maxb> and seaborgium
[14:26] <cprov> maxb: yes, I'm looking at it
[15:05] <cprov> maxb: fta, I will let the stuck builders around, we need to debug what's going on.
[15:06] <cprov> I've filed bug #408001
[15:07] <fta> cprov, ok, no problem with me. i just reported it so someone could investigate, so it's all fine ;)
[15:08] <cprov> fta: last time I've reset your gmpc job on osmium, in hope it was only a net-hiccup.
[15:08] <fta> cprov, gmpc is not mine, (yet it's using my bot)
[15:09] <cprov> fta: oh, didn't know. Everyone is using your bot these days :)
[15:10] <fta> cprov, lol, probably not everyone ;)
[15:10] <cprov> yay! someone is building the released emacs23 in the PPA domain
[15:11]  * cprov enjoys watching buildd.tv on Sundays ...
[15:22] <LarstiQ> :)
[15:25] <fta> would be nice to have the build time in lp/builders/
[15:25] <fta> and also ppa names as links
[15:25] <maxb> fta: can I download your bit somewhere?
[15:26] <maxb> *bot
[15:26] <fta> maxb, sure, in my +junk/
[15:26] <maxb> thanks
[15:26] <fta> before you ask, no, it's not in python :P
[15:27] <maxb> heh, has my language preference become that well known?
[15:27] <fta> well, i guess it's the preferred language in this channel
[15:40]  * LarstiQ makes a note to read through ppa-scripts
[15:47] <cprov> fta: yes, good idea, I will mention it in https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzBuildersIndexPage
[15:48] <cprov> fta and maxb: btw, can you guys take a look at https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzBuildIndexPage ?  I will send the RFC email later this afternoon.
[15:50] <fta> cprov, hm.. all sentences end with "...", is that expected?
[15:51] <cprov> fta: on the 'builders' page, yes, we haven't started yet
[15:51] <cprov> fta: the *build* pages has some mockups already
[15:51] <maxb> dispatch is not an obvious term for less soyuz-steeped users
[15:52] <cprov> maxb: yes, we could simply use 'start'
[15:52] <maxb> Also, is there any reason not to allow uploaders to cancel their own builds?
[15:54] <cprov> maxb: no, we can do that once we have 'cancel' implemented.
[15:55]  * cprov dashes for lunch
[16:01] <fta> cprov-afk, lgtm (SoyuzBuildIndexPage)
[18:52] <fta> i would love to have a way to track src & deb size and build time over time in lp
[20:52] <mrooney> Is there a way to change the description of a download for a project?
[21:27] <mrooney> mwhudson: do you know if it is possible to change the description of a download for a project? Would filing a question on LP be appropriate for having an admin do it?
[21:28] <mwhudson> i thought that was possible
[21:28] <mwhudson> mrooney: do you know why all the compiz shadows are solid black this morning?
[21:29] <mrooney> I'm running on Jaunty ATM so, nope :)
[21:29] <mwhudson> so am i!
[21:29] <mrooney> oh, interesting.
[21:30] <mrooney> for https://launchpad.net/wxbanker/0.5/0.5 if I want to change the second download to say "wxBanker <IP_ADDRESS> source release" instead of "wxBanker-<IP_ADDRESS> Release", I don't see a way to do that
[21:30] <mrooney> or say add a signature
[21:30] <mrooney> let me try updating and see if my shadows die
[21:31] <mwhudson> i'm on intel gfx, so i should probably just upgrade to karmic
[21:31] <mwhudson> mrooney: what do you get at https://edge.launchpad.net/wxbanker/0.5/0.5/+edit ?
[21:31] <mwhudson> (i get forbidden)
[21:32] <mrooney> that gives me the release details, editing the release date, note, and changelog
[21:32] <mwhudson> oh i see
[21:34] <mwhudson> so basically, to answer your first question, "no i don't know" :)
[21:34] <mrooney> haha okay thanks, I'll ask a question on LP
[21:34] <mrooney> I assume at worst case it is a trivial query on the db?
[21:34] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: do you know why setting a download url for a project doesn't seem to have any effect?
[21:35] <LarstiQ> oh hmm
[21:35] <mwhudson> LarstiQ: i don't even know what you mean by download url
[21:35] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: nope, it does work :)
[21:35] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: 'External downloads' on launchpad.net/bzr-svn
[21:36] <mwhudson> oh right
[21:36] <mwhudson> it's a url pattern that gets scanned every so often, right?
[21:36] <LarstiQ> no, that's a different feature
[21:36] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: bzr-svn's canonical downloads are on samba.org, not launchpad. That's where this is for
[21:37] <LarstiQ> mwhudson: afaiui, url patterns would auto import into series
[21:38] <mwhudson> oh right
[22:04] <thumper> morning
[22:14] <mrooney> thumper: morning!
[22:14] <thumper> mrooney: hi


[07:43] <ducasse> morning, EriC^^ - how's life?
[07:43] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[07:43] <EriC^^> good, just waking up, you?
[07:44] <ducasse> the same :)
[07:48] <ducasse> EriC^^: do you have tons of line in the journal from systemd-tmpfiles about 'Duplicate line for path "/var/log", ignoring.'?
[07:51] <EriC^^> how do i check?
[07:51] <EriC^^> sudo journalctl ?
[07:55] <ducasse> journalctl -p 4 -u systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
[07:56] <ducasse> looks to me like there are entries for /var/log in bot var.conf and the rsyslog.conf file, but with different permissions.
[07:56] <ducasse> *both
[09:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:01] <EriC^^> ducasse: yes i get that error twice
[09:02] <ducasse> morning, lordievader
[09:02] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[09:03] <ducasse> EriC^^: i seem to be getting them once a day or so. i'll just hack it locally, probably not worth filing a bug over. i just dislike log spam.
[09:04] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, EriC^^. How are you guys?
[09:04] <EriC^^> lordievader: good thanks, yourself?
[09:04] <lordievader> ducasse: What is in /etc/tmpfiles.d/* ?
[09:05] <lordievader> EriC^^: Doing good here, waiting for coffee.
[09:05] <EriC^^> :)
[09:05] <ducasse> lordievader: nada, but there are .conf files in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d
[09:06] <lordievader> ducasse: What do they detail?
[09:07] <ducasse> lordievader: permissions and ownerships for temporary files and dirs, for systemd-tmpfiles to use.
[09:07] <lordievader> Nothing about /var/log?
[09:07] <lordievader> Hmm, maybe I am reading the backlog wrong XD
[09:09] <ducasse> "looks to me like there are entries for /var/log in bot var.conf and the rsyslog.conf file, but with different permissions."
[09:09] <ducasse> i've just commented out one of them for now, to get rid of the message.
[09:10] <lordievader> What are the permissions respectively?
[09:10] <ducasse> 755 and 775, with the group owner in the rsyslog file being syslog
[09:12] <lordievader> On my Gentoo box /var/log has root:root 755.
[09:12] <lordievader> Same on a Debian box.
[09:13] <lordievader> It could be that rsyslog requires different permissions to work.
[09:14] <ducasse> it looks like it, rsyslog does not run as root but syslog.
[09:14] <ducasse> i'm using the rsyslog perms now in any case.
[09:16] <ducasse> i image the other entry is there to be used if you get rid of rsyslogd in favor of journald.
[09:17] <ducasse> *imagine, gah.
[09:19] <lordievader> Sounds reasonable, yes.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:48] <brunch875> Hello BluesKaj, don't mind my high-latency responses
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hey brunch875 mine too :-)
[20:33] <Bashing-om> rebooting .. brb .
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !info arduino xenial


[07:01] <AppAraat[m]> <OvenWerks "pipewire still has a long way to"> Anything in particular that is missing from PipeWire for that purpose?
[09:33] <rgh> AppAraat: it was freewheeling but they implemented that just recenctly
[09:34] <AppAraat[m]> <rgh "AppAraat: it was freewheeling bu"> Not sure what you're referring to, but it was [OvenWerks](https://matrix.to/#/%40freenode_OvenWerks%3Amatrix.org) that claimed that PW wasn't ready for (semi)pro audio use.
[09:35] <rgh> freewheeling is that when you export a song, you can export it in faster (or slower) than realtime
[11:23] <AppAraat[m]> <rgh "freewheeling is that when you ex"> Oh I see! Didn't know what that was, pretty cool!
[11:24] <AppAraat[m]> Though why would someone want to export it slower than realtime 🤔
[11:24] <AppAraat[m]> Resource usage savings?
[11:25] <rgh> Offline/ freewheeling takes just all the time it needs.
[11:25] <rgh> Let's pretend you have to disable some tracks during producing because your pc can't handle it.
[11:26] <rgh> On export you'd be able to just switch everything on.
[11:26] <rgh> Just like rendering video takes longer than the actual end product video.
[11:26] <rgh> It's not that common in audio I'd guess.
[11:27] <rgh> _vitalium entered the chat_
[11:29] <rgh> But, I've seen a number of users on the various messaging platforms I'm in that went back to plain jack / pulse bridge after some time with pipewire. Too many bugs without a obvious reason.
[11:29] <rgh> I stayed away.
[13:42]  * OvenWerks would add that firewire is not supported (using ffado) and bridging to a running jack is not supported
[13:59] <OvenWerks> rgh: The biggest problem is that debian/ubuntu have old versions of PW so it is difficult test properly without going full fedora and all the rest of the mess that includes with flatpack, wacom, etc.
[14:25] <rgh> Sigh
[14:25] <rgh> Pain
[14:25] <rgh> Suffering
[14:58] <OvenWerks> meanwhile, jack just keeps working
[15:27] <rgh> this ^
[22:22] <AppAraat[m]> <OvenWerks "rgh: The biggest problem is that"> can't that PPA be used for testing the latest PW version though?
[22:33] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: which PPA? do you have a url?
[22:33]  * OvenWerks can add it to his list
[22:35] <AppAraat[m]> OvenWerks: I posted it earlier as a Reddit thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/n6qt3d/pipewire_0327_released_launchpad_ppa/
[22:35] <AppAraat[m]> Direct link to PPA: https://launchpad.net/~pipewire-debian/+archive/ubuntu/pipewire-upstream
[22:36] <AppAraat[m]> > This Launchpad PPA will be actively maintained to keep in sync with Upstream.
[22:40] <AppAraat[m]> even supports 18.04 apparently lol
[22:40] <OvenWerks> I will have to see where my spare partiton is at. might be 21.04 or 21.10.
[22:41]  * OvenWerks is not on his work machine right now
[22:44] <OvenWerks> one of my problems is that with an alsa device, starting jack will ask pw for that device which PW will release. After jack starts, then PW will make a bridge to that jack with the no of i/o that device has.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> The problem is that if I need a bridge it probably because I want to use a backend that PW doesn't have, dummy, ffado, netjack, etc.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> and therefore PW does not know jack is there, does not know how many i/o the backend supports and therefore does not make a bridge at all.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> Actually it could find out easy enough
[22:47] <OvenWerks> Pulse already does this... or used to at one time.
[22:48] <OvenWerks> Anyway. PW does not (did not?) have any way of manually creating a bridge of n i/o or n in and m out.
[22:49] <OvenWerks> For my use this is a showstopper.
[23:02] <Ginalo> Hi! Regarding the Ubuntu Studio Installer that installs packages to other Ubuntu flavors, I'm curious as to what it does other than installing packages. Also, does it only use Apt?


[08:55] <uros1> hi all, requesting ubuntu cloack for https://launchpad.net/~urosldp
[09:53] <uros1> requesting ubuntu cloack for https://launchpad.net/~urosldp
[10:25] <IdleOne> AlanBell Pici Tm_T Fuchs topyli uros1 would like to request his @ubuntu/member cloak.
[10:26] <uros1> yes please
[10:26] <IdleOne> funkyHat ^ not Fuchs
[10:26] <IdleOne> uros1: be patient and someone will get to it soon
[10:26] <uros1> ok cool
[11:25] <AlanBell> morning
[11:26] <AlanBell> yup, that all appears to be in order :)
[11:26] <uros1> :)
[11:26] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/uros1 cloak please
[12:49] <Fuchs> AlanBell: a Bit limited, poked my colleagues, Else i will Do it later
[12:55] <Fuchs> gheraint will take care of it :)
[13:03] <Fuchs> concratulations, uros1
[13:04] <IdleOne> Congrats uros1 * uros1 (~uros@ubuntu/member/uros1) has joined #ubuntu-irc
[13:06] <uros1> thanks guys


[00:14] <Unit193> Chairman_meow: Check out the "ubuntustudio-recording - Ubuntu Studio Audio Recording Package" metapackage.
[00:15] <Chairman_meow> Unit193, thank you
[03:57] <uma> hi
[03:57] <uma> is there anybody who could help me with a simple question?
[03:57] <uma> i'm a new user... and i'm havind trouble trying to install something
[03:58] <uma> i've downloaded some java app
[03:58] <uma> but when i go to write the command to install it
[03:58] <uma> it asks me for my password
[03:58] <uma> i do know it
[03:58] <uma> but it doesnt alow me to write it!
[03:59] <holstein> uma: the password?
[03:59] <uma> yes, it asks me for a pass word
[03:59] <holstein> uma: how does it fail?.. you wont see "feedback" typically
[04:00] <holstein> sometimes you get little "."'s but usually you just type the password
[04:00] <uma> so... i first went to the ubuntu software centre
[04:00] <uma> i've downloaded the java app,
[04:00] <holstein> uma: for what?... "some java app"?
[04:00] <uma> i wanted to watch a movie
[04:01] <uma> and the page said i had to download java
[04:01] <holstein> plausible
[04:01] <holstein> !java
[04:01] <uma> and i downloaded this; Ejecutable OpenJDK Java 7
[04:01] <uma> but it doesnt install automatically, right?
[04:02] <holstein> uma: you will install java from a package manager
[04:02] <uma> but i don't know where to go, in order to do it
[04:02] <holstein> uma: you dont need to download it from java like you do in windows
[04:02] <uma> these are my first days with ubuntu =/
[04:02] <holstein> uma: you can check the link above
[04:03] <uma> ok, i'll reed it
[04:03] <uma> =)
[04:03] <holstein> also, maybe just relax and take your time
[04:03] <uma> thx!
[04:03] <holstein> think about how long you probably used windows before you installed java
[04:04] <holstein> im not saying you cant install java... im just saying, there are ways to install software, and you might want to start with something simple
[04:04] <holstein> you can also try an official ubuntu support channel if its dead in here and you need help.. maybe #ubuntu
[04:04] <uma> yes... step by step. but one day I had to begin to learn
[04:05] <holstein> its typically as easy as opening a package manger and searching and installing
[04:05] <uma> ok, I don't want to make stupid questions. sorry =(
[04:05] <holstein> uma: nah.. there are no stupid questions and you are more than welcome here anytime
[04:05] <uma> yes, I thought so... but don't know exactly where to find things here... yet
[04:05] <uma> =D
[04:57] <Rowen_Stipe> Hi, if anyone is here, I just have a quick question. I'm planning on switching over to Ubuntustudio because I have quite a few projects I want to start doing and it seems like the best start point, but I was wondering what Desktop Environment it uses, Unity, Gnome 2, Gnome 3, KDE, etc.
[04:59] <holstein> !xfce
[05:00] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: you can use whichever you like... ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, just customized
[05:00] <holstein> we all use the same repos and have access to the same pacakges
[05:00] <holstein> you can use the ubuntustudio packages with any ubuntu version easily
[05:00] <holstein> you can also just install the one you want, and add just the audio/video/graphics apps you want
[05:01] <holstein> ubuntustudio and most of the others have live cd's so feel free and download and give them a try for yourself
[05:01] <Rowen_Stipe> Meh, Just asking cause I'm lazy and wanted to know what I'll have to deal with while I install the MATE de.
[05:02] <holstein> nothing here will prevent you from using mate, though i would just try XFCE
[05:02] <holstein> we chose it because its the most gnome2 like in work flow we feel
[05:02] <Rowen_Stipe> Well, I'm the graphics dev for the MATE project so that's one of the main reasons I use it.
[05:04] <holstein> should be fine... i always found something just not right or the same in mate for my needs
[05:04] <holstein> i figured if i was going to get used to a new DE, i might as well just go ahead and move on
[05:04] <holstein> i just use a customized openbox situation now
[05:04] <Rowen_Stipe> Ah
[05:05] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: you can always just use whatever you are using with mate, which is likely ubuntu based and add what you want
[05:05] <Rowen_Stipe> Aye, I know that much.
[05:05] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: are packages are just the normal batch of packages really.. its the implemenation that is all in one place that is the allure or whatever
[05:05] <holstein> our packages are**
[05:07] <Rowen_Stipe> Aye, well as I said I do graphics work for MATE, but I'm also getting into some audio and video editing. And my current distro, OpenSUSE, while nice doesn't have all the settings that Ubuntu gave me.
[05:07] <Rowen_Stipe> That, or they are not very apperent
[05:08] <holstein> AFAIK, mate is just available in mint by default.. .nothing in ubuntustudio will prevent you from runnning mate, but i dont see why you would choose it over mint, since mint would have mate and the ubuntu backend graphics stuff you would be seeking here
[05:09] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: our metapackages are even available in mint last time i checked
[05:10] <Rowen_Stipe> I'm a complicated man, and actually mint runs their own version of MATE, they don't keep their repos up todate with the latest version of MATE that is out right now. Unless I'm wrong the use 1.2 version of MATE where as the offical repos of MATE have 1.4.1
[05:10] <Rowen_Stipe> they use*
[05:10] <holstein> all im saying is, mate is not in the ubuntu repos... there is no official mate-buntu
[05:10] <holstein> there is an official mate mint version
[05:11] <holstein> can you add mate to ubuntustudio? sure.. no problem
[05:12] <Rowen_Stipe> Alright, also, I had been toying with the idea of a matebuntu distro a while back.
[05:12] <Rowen_Stipe> Too lazy to try and impliment it.
[05:12] <holstein> sure... folks might be into that
[05:13] <Rowen_Stipe> There have been some attempts to make such a distro, but quite frankly, they just look apalling at first glance and that basically turns a lot of people off of it.
[05:17] <holstein> well, for me, i was missing gnome2
[05:17] <holstein> i loaded mate, and it looked similar, but it wasnt gnome2..
[05:17] <holstein> now, i dont miss gnome2 anymore, so i dont need a gnome2 replacement
[05:17] <Rowen_Stipe> Yea.
[05:18] <holstein> mabye a few years back i would have hopped right on a good gnome2 replacement
[05:18] <holstein> with the gtk2 gtk3 issues, i think its been challenging to implement that, as im sure you know
[05:19] <holstein> my stance in the support channels is like this.. ubuntu is doing what it always has done, which is provide the latest gnome desktop packages
[05:19] <Rowen_Stipe> I understand that.
[05:48] <timbo_> Does anyone have experience with the PreSonus AudioBox 22VSL? I'm having trouble getting it to work :/
[09:06] <kaibrossi> Hi, has anybody experience using a RME FireFace 800 with Ubuntu Studio 12.04?
[09:17] <ailo-w> kaibrossi: Are you having problems?
[09:19] <kaibrossi> Yes, it seems to be running but I don't see the connections in qjackctl. Is this the right place to post it?
[09:19] <ailo-w> kaibrossi: #ffado is a great resource for firewire related problems. Also, you can try #jack and #opensourcemusicians
[09:22] <kaibrossi> Thanks for your input. I have already posted my problem there. I thought maybe somebody solved the problem here.
[09:22] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:01] <delta> hello, double click on the main calendar on the panel should show event list. when i clicked it, calendar opened and closed in a flash. just thinking whether it's a bug with Orage that should be reported. Any suggestion?
[10:05] <smartboyhw> delta, er which version?
[10:18] <ailo> kaibrossi2: You can start jack, but nothing shows at all in "Connect"?
[10:19] <ailo> kaibrossi2: Just to eliminate one possibility - did you choose the "firewire" driver instead of "alsa"
[10:21] <kaibrossi> Yes, i did! I posted here my Log files: http://bros.titanpad.com/35 for Jack and http://bros.titanpad.com/36 for Diag
[10:25] <kaibrossi> ffado-dbus-server: http://bros.titanpad.com/37
[10:26] <delta> smartboyhw, english version. latest build
[10:27] <smartboyhw> delta, so 12.10?
[10:31] <delta> yes.
[10:32] <smartboyhw> delta, uh I don't get that bug I think
[10:32] <delta> i'm running it on virtualbox
[10:33] <smartboyhw> delta, I am running it on real hardware
[10:34] <delta> smartboyhw, so you can see the event list and events listed for the uration you want?
[10:37] <delta> also, it so happens only for a double click. single click properly opens orage.
[10:38] <smartboyhw> delta, ah now I see what you mean
[10:38] <smartboyhw> delta, then report a bug against Orage then
[10:40] <delta> also, i'm experiencing another problem. I installed VLC media player and opened a video from DVD. Even after closing the VLC, the icon appears on the panel. I opened two videos and hence there are two icons on panel now. no amount of closing or quitting can remove them.
[10:40] <delta> will post a screenshot shortly.
[10:43] <delta> smartboyhw, http://imagebin.org/232144
[10:44] <smartboyhw> delta, hmmm.....
[10:45] <delta> smartboyhw, which package? this isn't the first time i've seen this with VLC.
[10:46] <smartboyhw> delta, you mean which package is VLC?
[10:46] <delta> no, against which package should i file the bug?
[10:47] <smartboyhw> delta, I think against VLC
[10:48] <delta> smartboyhw, well, that's an external software which i installed..
[10:48] <smartboyhw> delta, er........
[10:48]  * smartboyhw does not know then
[10:48] <delta> if you suggest, maybe i'l l do just that :)
[10:49] <delta> or i'll file against xorg
[11:02] <ailo> kaibrossi2: If you can get jack to start, but there are not audio connections for your interface, I would take this up with ffado, for sure. Try their mail list.
[11:03] <ailo> It's not a config problem anyway
[11:04] <kaibrossi2> ailo: Are you shure? Do you know the e-mail list?
[11:15] <ailo> kaibrossi2: You'll find the mail list somewhere at their homepage, I think
[11:15] <kaibrossi2> ailo: Thanks for your help. I found it! ;)
[11:33] <delta> smartboyhw, i experinced an error with JACK. Prompt says, D-BUS: JACK server could not be started.
[11:34] <smartboyhw> delta, oh god..............
[11:34] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, help delta please:D
[11:35] <ailo-w> delta: Could be jack is already running
[11:35] <ailo-w> delta: Close all your applications using audio (including any browser), and kill any jack processes left alive
[11:36] <ailo-w> You can kill jackdbus from the terminal: killall -9 jackdbus
[11:36] <delta> nopes. it happened the very first time i opened QjackCTL
[11:36] <delta> okay
[11:37] <ailo-w> delta: have you used qjackctl before?
[11:37] <ailo-w> delta: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack
[11:38] <ailo-w> delta: Also, if you start some applications that autostart jack, you might have jackd running
[11:38] <ailo-w> jackd == jackdbus, but without the dbus
[11:38] <delta> ailo-w: no. when i opened it, I expected to start in real time mode. by default it was stopped
[11:38] <delta> okay
[11:38] <ailo-w> delta: are you on Ubuntu Studio?
[11:39] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, he/she is on Ubuntu Studio 12.10 daily build I think
[11:39] <ailo-w> Ok
[11:39] <delta> ailo-w, yes
[11:40] <ailo-w> delta: Did you follow the same procedure as in the link I provided?
[11:41] <delta> ailo-w: going thru the link..
[11:42] <ailo-w> delta: You only need the part about jack, which if you click on the link is where you end up
[11:48] <delta> ailo-w: is it okay if i use the driver alsa?
[11:49] <ailo-w> delta: If you're audio card is either PCI or USB, then yes
[11:50] <delta> ailo-w: otherwise it should be always be firewire?
[11:50] <ailo-w> If your device is a firewire device, then yes, "firewire"
[11:56] <ailo-w> delta: How is it coming along?
[11:57] <delta> i'm still having some trouble.
[11:57] <ailo-w> delta: Sometimes PA can give you trouble too, so if I were you, I'd either logout and start a new session, or make sure to kill all instances of jack and pulseaudio (will respawn)
[11:57] <delta> maybe because i'm running it on virtualbox
[11:57] <ailo-w> delta: Er, ok
[11:58] <ailo-w> delta: You can't get any kind of good performance on Virtualbox. For testing purposes, you should try increase frames/buffer to maximum
[11:58] <delta> ailo-w: I'll do that. do you mind if I trouble you at a later instance?
[11:58] <delta> ailo-w: oh, ok :(
[11:58] <ailo-w> delta: frames/period, sorry
[11:59] <delta> ailo-w: like 2048?
[11:59] <ailo-w> delta: I didn't know you were on VB, but on VB, there is no actual HW device. Just the VB one, which I believe is some kind of generic PCI kind of thing
[12:00] <ailo-w> delta: I'd even go to max, just to be sure
[12:00] <ailo-w> 4096
[12:00] <delta> ailo-w: done. I'll try that.
[12:25] <delta> ailo-w: maybe it's time i give up :(
[12:25] <delta> http://imagebin.org/232150
[12:25] <delta> i couldn't start it..
[12:26] <ailo-w> delta: Try this in a terminal: jackd -d alsa
[12:26] <delta> ailo-w: okay.
[12:27] <ailo-w> Or rather, jackd -d alsa -p 4096
[12:27] <ailo-w> delta: Also, each time jack won't start with qjackctl, there's a chance jackdbus is left running
[12:27] <ailo-w> So, always kill it before trying again
[12:30] <delta> ailo-w: do you mind looking at two more images?
[12:30] <delta> http://imagebin.org/232152
[12:30] <delta> that with terminal log
[12:31] <delta> http://imagebin.org/232153
[12:31] <delta> * start JACK audio server on application startup
[12:32] <ailo-w> delta: Been a while since I tried jack on VB, so I can't really say much about the error message there
[12:33] <delta> ailo-w: thank you anyways for your help and time :)
[16:33] <FloatingGoat> holstein: hey
[16:33] <FloatingGoat> want to hear the first song i made with qtractor
[16:43] <holstein> sure... you should link it in osmp room
[17:06] <FloatingGoat> I already did
[17:06] <FloatingGoat> holstein: http://ubuntuone.com/0TluXVpzAy070FirZ2UVaG
[17:11] <holstein> FloatingGoat: very nice
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> thanks
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> work in progress i guess
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> probably going to scrap it though
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> too slow
[17:13] <holstein> i didnt think it was too slow... but its your music
[17:14] <FloatingGoat> how did you like the fake ass cello
[17:14] <FloatingGoat> was it insulting?
[17:15] <holstein> didnt even notice.. i just took it as a synth pad
[17:16] <FloatingGoat> haha
[17:33] <FloatingGoat> holstein: thanks for tha listen though
[19:22] <len-dt> FloatingGoat, sounds ok. I think the reason it sounds slow to you is the beat you chose. (I think  :)
[19:23] <FloatingGoat> beat?
[19:23] <FloatingGoat> drum?
[19:23] <len-dt> Drums
[19:23] <holstein> nothing wrong with slow
[19:23] <len-dt> No not at all.
[19:24] <len-dt> Not what I was trying to say actually. I think a different beat might make the speed it is sound better.
[19:25] <len-dt> FloatingGoat, the real question I have is how does qtractor compair to LMMS?
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> its harder to copy midi sequences
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> and make them
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> but way easier to edit raw audio
[19:26] <len-dt> I could see that.
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> qtractor has way better MIDI export too
[19:27] <len-dt> So it depends on what portion of the music is midi and what is audio.
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> lmms's midi output seems to be very buggy and missess notes
[19:27] <holstein> does lmms capture audio?
[19:27] <len-dt> No
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> no
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> but
[19:28] <holstein> thats a deal breaker
[19:28] <FloatingGoat> you can add raw audio
[19:28] <len-dt> From the home page they expect you to import it like a sample
[19:28] <holstein> what about rosegarden?
[19:28] <len-dt> RG is quite a large DL
[19:28] <holstein> it captures audio, and is arguably more midi-centric, dont you think?
[19:29] <FloatingGoat> i wonder if it has support for windows VST plugins
[19:29] <holstein> FloatingGoat: it'll use whatever the system uses.. or at least have the abiltiy to
[19:29] <len-dt> The thing with winVST is that it works in layers.
[19:30] <len-dt> The app talks to the VST plugin through a LV/dssi layer through a win layer then finally the VST.
[19:31] <FloatingGoat> len-dt: with rosegarden?
[19:31] <len-dt> With just about anything.
[19:32] <FloatingGoat> winVST?
[19:33] <len-dt> As oposed to linux VST
[19:39] <drupin> where i find the lessions holstein to make music on UStudio
[19:55] <holstein> drupin: lessons?
[19:55] <drupin> yes holstein
[19:55] <holstein> i would just search youtube for vids, or poke around for how-to's
[19:56] <holstein> there are so many options and so many packages...
[19:56] <holstein> there are nice sooperlooper tutorials.. and all kinds of stuff on ardour
[19:56] <holstein> you need to sort out how to use/start JACK.. and that will depend on your hardware
[19:57] <holstein> if you want me to link you an all-encompassing "how to make musice in ubuntustudio" page... there is no single resource for that
[19:57] <holstein> the options are too many.. and there are so many different packages and workflows
[19:58] <len-dt> And different kinds of music
[19:58] <holstein> are you doing midi only? audio only? live effects? are you doing graphics?... and there are many options for doing these tasks
[19:58] <holstein> thats what FloatingGoat has been experimenting with
[19:58] <holstein> a DAW that does mostly midi, with audio as well
[19:58] <holstein> ardour3 will likely be the answer to that soon when it releases
[19:59] <holstein> but FloatingGoat has tried LMMS and qtractor and might try rosegarden
[19:59] <holstein> do these all do the same thing?
[19:59] <holstein> no
[19:59] <holstein> why do we have so many options? because we can.. and they are all specific tools for specific purposes
[20:00] <holstein> http://www.renoise.com/ is a commercial DAW thats not a bad "all in one'
[20:07] <drupin> ok will look ytube
[20:47] <MaynardWaters> damn it holstein we need that page!
[20:48] <MaynardWaters> sry, i was way behind, and reading the "all encompassing how to make music in ubuntustudio comment" my bad
[20:48] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i have a draft somewhere here.. its been uploading for a few weeks though ;)
[20:49] <MaynardWaters> all of the holstein knowledge ever.... thats at least a few terabites right?
[20:49] <holstein> hehe
[20:50] <holstein> i have that on an old floppy here....
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> forgive me if this is impolite, but where are you located again? in the states?
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> max lolz
[20:50] <holstein> MaynardWaters: asheville north carolina
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> no f-ing way!
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> i just moved from raleigh up to detroit
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> damn.
[20:50] <holstein> nice... im at the flatrock this month if you make it over
[20:51] <holstein> you wont see me, im up in the pit
[20:51] <MaynardWaters> if i would have known you were that close I would have told you to come check out the recording studio that my housemate and i had built off of Ubuntustudio
[20:51] <holstein> you dont come back down this way ever?
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> we were still using 11.04 tho, so a little behind the curve, mostly for stabilities sake
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> well its going to be a rare thing now-a-days
[20:52] <holstein> MaynardWaters: im on 10.04 on my studio rig
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> picked up a new job working for a acoustical engineering software company, in belgium right now finishing up some trainging then heading to kansas city for a congference
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> solid
[20:52] <holstein> nie
[20:53] <holstein> nice*
[20:53] <MaynardWaters> alright well its bed time for me over across the pond, catch up with you more later
[20:53] <holstein> gn!
[23:06] <FloatingGoat> til I can sell you lies, you cant get enough, make a true beleiver of... anyone anyone anyone.
[23:08] <FloatingGoat> I wish i could make music like the xx


[03:37] <guiverc> xubu 20.04 daily test; using tablet-pc WITHOUT keyboard..   firefox isn't causing onboard to appear so I can't enter URLs ... yes I could click onboard icon (i have show) but do you want lp bug report on firefox address line not making onboard show?
[05:40] <guiverc> QA-test install on box with two displays.  The install ends up with display mirrored  (graphics card related I believe); I've only noted in testcase log (is.qa.ubu..)


[02:37] <mantiena-baltix_> hi all
[02:37] <mantiena-baltix_> there is big problem because 7.04 (feisty) CD doesn't  start on lots of new laptops. based on Intel santarosa platform
[02:37] <mantiena-baltix_> look at bug #126653 for example
[02:38] <mantiena-baltix_>  it's interesting, that older and newer Ubuntu versions (see latest comment) , also. it seems, feisty kernels (from Ubuntu 7.04 beta) detects cdrom and starts fine
[02:40] <mantiena-baltix_> so, it's important regression - I've tried Ubuntu 5.10, 6.06, 7.04 and 7.10 (Gutsy) and only 7.04 (tried both kernels - from aprils release and from updates) doesn't start on santarosa platform-based laptops
[02:41] <mantiena-baltix_> there are several simillar bugs reported already, look for example at bug 126552
[02:46] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: try booting with all_generic_ide on the kernel command line and see if that helps
[02:46] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: we're two months from releasing gutsy, so it's unlikely we'll devote a lot of time to respinning feisty CD's
[02:47] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: might be best to just use a gutsy tribe CD instead
[02:48] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC: it's not the best solution, problem is not for me, but for lots of users, who get new laptops from computer shops. how I can you help to fix this important regression ?
[02:49] <mantiena-baltix_> there are several computer shops in Lithuania who ships new computers with Ubuntu 7.04 (or Ubuntu 7.04-based local distro) CD
[02:50] <mantiena-baltix_> so, users buy clean computer and get Ubuntu CD, when they tried to boot they get initramfs command line and think, that Ubuntu is crap :(
[02:52] <mantiena-baltix_> so, they have contacted me, asked if I can fix and rebuild Ubuntu 7.04 CD for distributing with new laptops
[02:53] <maks_> news at 11 - old kernel seldomly work with newest hardware
[02:54] <mantiena-baltix_> at bug 126552 there is comment - Chuck Short wrote on 2007-08-06: (permalink)
[02:54] <mantiena-baltix_> I have a patch for this in gutsy which can probably be used as well for 2.6.20
[02:55] <mantiena-baltix_> So, maybe someone from Ubuntu kernel developers could produce patched kernel for testing ?
[03:01] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: have you tried the latest feisty kernel to see if it works?
[03:02] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC, yes, I though I already told this ;) Your are talking about 2.6.20-16 from updates repository, right ?
[03:03] <mantiena-baltix_> I didn't found newer kernel in proposed-updates
[03:04] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: You could respin a CD that forces all_generic_ide
[03:05] <mantiena-baltix_> I think, that this problem must be fixed in updates repository, because lots of people could upgrade older ubuntu versions (for example 6.06 or 6.10) and get not-working CD/DVD drives after upgrading
[03:05] <mantiena-baltix_> to 7.04
[03:05] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: Basically we are two months from gutsy release, and we are putting all of our efforts into getting it as stable as possible
[03:05] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC, I understand about gutsy, but isn't all_generic_ide only temporary fix ?
[03:06] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: it's enough to get the system working until they can upgrade to gutsy
[03:06] <BenC> from what I understand, it's only needed for the cdrom, not for the harddrive
[03:07] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: if these are santa rosa, most likely they'll still need updated kernel+packages to get intel gfx working anyway, so you'll need a cd with some feisty updates anyway
[03:08] <zul> besides the santa rosa stuff got added in 2.6.22.y i believe
[03:42] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[03:42] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[04:06] <mantiena-baltix_> BenC, updated feisty cd isn't a problem, problem is, that there are no working kernel  on santarosa for feisty :(
[04:07] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: unless you add the all_generic_ide work around
[04:07] <BenC> which is quicker and safer than us doing a new kernel+cd build
[04:07] <BenC> by safer I mean less prone to other regressions that we would have to test for
[04:07] <BenC> which is why we can't put a lot of effort into it
[04:10] <BenC> mantiena-baltix_: it would take us 3-4 weeks to implement the fix, and test it thoroughly, after which we would have reduced effort in gutsy, and would only be a month away from gutsy release...so the pay-off is not good enough to justify it
[04:56] <mantiena-baltix_> yea, I thought it's a simple fix, because CD/DVD drive is detected on all other Ubuntu kernels, even on Ubuntu 7.04 "Feisty" beta kernel (2.6.20-12)
[05:28] <bdmurray> Hello
[05:29] <bdmurray> I was looking at bug 133823 and wondering how the kernel determines what modules to load.
[08:27] <elmo> hmm
[08:27] <elmo> I have a tg3 NIC on my laptop that doesn't appear to work in gutsy
[08:28] <elmo> given how widely deployed tg3 is, is it possible that this NIC isn't supported, or more likely that the laptop's broken?
[08:28] <thom> what are the symptoms?
[08:29] <thom> (JOOI)
[08:29] <thom> just complete not-workingness, or occasional drops?
[08:30] <elmo> not detecting a link on a known good cable/connections
[08:32] <kylem> elmo, which laptop?
[08:32] <elmo> HP nc6320
[08:33] <kylem> laptop of doom.
[08:34] <fabbione> elmo: hw hates you
[08:35] <kylem> elmo, plz file a bug with full lspci -vvnn for that pci device
[08:35] <kylem> elmo, also any of the dmesg from tg3, and ethtool -i
[08:35] <elmo> kylem: ok - unfortunately I blatted window in a rather blase manner before install, so I can't confirm it isn't a HW problem
[08:36] <kylem> i wouldn't imagine it is.
[08:37] <elmo> ok
[08:43] <mjg59> elmo: PXE is still a way of testing
[08:43] <mjg59> (if you're worried)
[08:43] <elmo> good point, I'll try that
[08:44] <kylem> i can see a few commits to tg3 since then that would explain it...
[08:46] <elmo> hmm
[08:46] <elmo> pxe failed
[08:46] <rtg> kylem: I pushed gutsy-lum. Please upload.
[08:46] <elmo> (oh, but that may be a local issue)
[08:48] <kylem> rtg, care to add that poulsbo patch and respin?
[08:48] <rtg> kylem: Can do.
[08:48] <elmo> anyway, I'll assume it's not HW and wait for kyle to fix my network at some point with kernel magic
[08:49] <kylem> hehe
[09:01] <rtg> kylem: Poulsbo patch included.
[09:02] <kylem> thanks dude.
[09:07] <kylem> rtg, uploadedx0red.
[09:15] <rtg> kylem: Should we also upload the kernel since I merged <IP_ADDRESS> this morning?
[09:18] <kylem> have you testbuilt it on lpia/amd64/i386?
[09:19] <kylem> hmm, it's probably going to be another abi event?
[09:19] <rtg> kylem: generic only so far. It ought not be an ABI event.
[09:21] <kylem> er. nobody re-added the abifiles.
[09:21] <kylem> brb.
[09:57] <tormod> dear kernel-team, bug #114793 makes me cry at night and is currently assigned to you. There has been a debdiff for 2 months but nobody has looked closer at it. What can I do?
[10:30] <BenC> tormod: not sure why we should fix a failure in a package we don't need
[10:31] <BenC> we already build prism drivers
[10:33] <mjg59> kylem: Did l-u-m build for amd64?
[10:33] <mjg59> I have no working sound on an MBP
[10:42] <tormod> benc, it's not so much the driver building, but the rest of the debdiff - needed for network-manager for instance. BTW, the broken shipped drivers got fixed today - thanks Tim!
[10:43] <BenC> tormod: anyone on core-dev can do that upload
[10:43] <BenC> tormod: but we can do it if no one else can
[10:46] <tormod> benc, I don't care who does it :) but it just keeps being reassigned around...
[10:47] <mjg59> kylem: Ah, no, it's just that alsa is *still* broken on the MBP (it seems)
[10:54] <kylem> well, it's identical to what's in gutsy stock
[10:55] <mjg59> Yeah, I can believe that
[10:55] <mjg59> Sigh
[10:55] <mjg59> Why must this be so hard
[10:55] <mjg59> I'll see if I can find a patch to make it work
[10:56] <kylem> does it work in upstream?
[10:56] <mjg59> NFC
[10:56] <mjg59> Which upstream? alsa or kernel?
[11:17] <BenC> you guys need to remember to run updateconfigs every so often
[11:52] <mjg59> kylem: Works with hg alsa-drivers
[11:52] <mjg59> Well, almost - volume is on "front" and "master" does nothing
[11:55] <kylem> heh.
[12:02] <mjg59> But this is better than gutsy, where left speaker is "Center" and right speaker is "LFE" and master and front *both* do nothing
[12:03] <mjg59> And I need to select "Line in as output"
[12:03] <mjg59> So, on average, hg ftw
[12:05] <kylem> yeah.
[12:05] <kylem> can you try -rc4?
[12:05] <kylem> i need to get off my ass and release a linux-vanilla thing in ppa.
[12:09] <mjg59> kylem: 2.6.23-rc4?
[12:09] <kylem> yes.
[12:11] <mjg59> Ok, will do
[12:11] <kylem> thanks very much.