[08:19] <laney> sarnold: I think you were right about splitlong, nice one. I just unloaded it. Looks like I set that up on 2007-07-12, no wonder I forgot about it all :-)
[11:10] <zhsj> hi, could someone sync golang-1.19 from debian experimental
[14:14] <ginggs> zhsj: .
[17:25] <sarnold> laney: hah, 2007 :D that's awesome
[18:50] <smoser> hey. i'm thinking about an autopkgtest for lvm2. lvm2 has a integration/system test in-tree, so running that would make sense.
[18:52] <smoser> but running that requires './configure ... make test' . ie, its kind of tied to the build systsem.  i suspect other packages are similar. is there an obvious path to running test there, or one that other packages have utilized ?
[18:59] <cjwatson> Might be worth looking at openssh - it has somewhat similar requirements, but what I did there was package up the post-./configure files needed by the regression tests into an openssh-tests binary package, and then the autopkgtest can install that and do the actual test run
[19:00] <smoser> that sounds reasonable. thank you, cjwatson
[19:03] <cjwatson> np
[19:03] <cjwatson> It did take quite a while to get it going and iron out all the kinks
[19:07] <smoser> wow, complete with adding a user to run the tests and cleanup.
[22:05] <UnivrslSuprBox> It looks like src:mariadb-10.6 in lunar-proposed (1:10.6.11-2ubuntu1) and Mantic (1:10.6.11-1) is behind the same source in jammy. How did this situation come about?
[22:05] <UnivrslSuprBox> jammy has (1:10.6.12-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.6/+publishinghistory


[06:50] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: You'll like this I think: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Minecraft-Calculator-Graphing-MaxSGB-Scientific,15109.html
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:32] <DJones> Morning all
[07:44] <kaushal> Hi
[07:45] <kaushal> is there a way to run time ssh servera /bin/false && time ssh serverb /bin/false on the same gnome-terminal of my desktop ?
[07:45] <kaushal> similar to sdiff command
[08:03] <BigRedS> I don't see the similarity
[08:04] <BigRedS> Oh!
[08:04] <BigRedS> do you just want the terminal output side-by-side kaushal ?
[08:05] <BigRedS> Terminator and tmux can each help do that
[08:05] <kaushal> BigRedS: yes
[08:05] <kaushal> exactly
[08:05] <BigRedS> Terminator is a terminal app that can do split screens, so you can have the GUI split
[08:05] <BigRedS> tmux splits in the terminal itself. It's like screen
[08:05] <kaushal> any clue about byobu ?
[08:05] <BigRedS> it's almost exactly screen, just different enough to be confusing
[08:05] <BigRedS> possibly
[08:06] <BigRedS> byobu is just screen with fancy config
[08:06] <kaushal> ok
[08:06] <BigRedS> adn I know screen can do vertical splits
[08:06] <BigRedS> but I don't know if the one in the repos can
[08:06] <BigRedS> or how - I saw I had to build it so I used tmux instead
[08:06] <kaushal> i launched byobu
[08:06] <kaushal> how do i split it into two
[08:07] <mattt> morning all
[08:10] <BigRedS> kaushal: this might help: http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference
[08:10] <BigRedS> I don't know how different byobu is
[08:11] <popey> BigRedS: its not different really
[08:11] <popey> just screen with some nice added bits, the same shortcuts work given it's the screen binary underneath
[08:11] <BigRedS> popey: Ahh
[08:11] <BigRedS> I was under the impression some of the change was to the keybindings
[08:12] <popey> i use the same key bindings in screen as I do in byobu
[08:12] <BigRedS> oh, cool
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> How cool is this guy? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17478070
[08:15] <oimon> overheard on sunday: "hey i bought a galaxy note", "is that a phone or an ipad?" , "it's an ipad that can make phone calls". "oh i see".
[08:16] <arsen> lol.
[08:16] <arsen> <3 people
[08:16] <oimon> <3 teenagers
[09:14] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, people! :D
[09:25]  * BigRedS notes that the next oggcamp isn't going to be oggcamp 110 after all :(
[09:25] <popey> ☺
[09:26] <BigRedS> haha, are there confirmed dates for it yet?
[09:26] <bigcalm> Yes, but they are in the background image
[09:27] <bigcalm> A poor website for the blind
[09:28] <bigcalm> BigRedS: 110 is 7
[09:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:36] <BigRedS> er, 100
[09:36] <BigRedS> bigcalm: ^
[09:36] <BigRedS> There was 1, 10, then 11
[09:37] <gord> you really would of thought draw something would have more words, how hard is it to find a list of words?
[09:37] <gord> i mean... work wor
[09:37]  * BigRedS has no idea what gord is on about
[09:37] <gord> silly mobile game
[09:38] <gord> that everyone is playing
[09:38] <BigRedS> ohhh
[09:39] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I just saw the dates. I spent a while looking at that page earlier without detecting them
[09:54] <bigcalm> Maybe a channel topic change would be good to say Oggcamp 18th & 19th August
[09:58] <sagaci> wasn't oggcamp going to be renamed?
[09:59] <popey> nope
[09:59] <popey> we asked for suggestions _if_ we were going to rename it
[09:59] <sagaci> eh, well I totally misread/heard that
[09:59] <popey> but nobody came up with a decent one
[09:59] <Laney> flaccamp
[10:01] <directhex> WMAcamp.
[10:01] <directhex> so us windows phone users feel welcome
[10:01] <sagaci> mp3dom
[10:01] <sagaci> :D
[10:05] <gord> ... why didn't you ask me? gordfest it is
[10:05] <gord> or maybe gordmageddon
[10:06] <sagaci> flacbang
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: HELLO!
[10:30] <daubers> I like the fact I can get pictures from my phone to my desktop with U1... I don't like the fact that I can't tell it to put that folder anywhere but my home folder :(
[10:33] <bittin> Hello
[11:01] <AlanBell> anyone else getting *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap' when launching gnome-terminal today on 12.04
[11:06] <gord> AlanBell, nope
[11:07] <AlanBell> bother
[11:07] <davmor2> bittin: hello
[11:07] <AlanBell> how on earth did I break that then I wonder
[11:15] <AlanBell> fixed it, just needed to close all open terminals and reopen one
[11:27] <Daviey> AlanBell: Do you and of of the other Alan's still care about openerp?
[11:28] <AlanBell> yup
[11:28] <AlanBell> all Alans love OpenERP
[11:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey Daviey
[11:31] <davmor2> AlanBell: that's a lie Alan Turing doesn't give two hoots :P
[11:33] <AlanBell> davmor2: well doing annual accounts appears to be NP-complete so I think he would approve
[11:33] <brobostigon> lol
[11:33]  * bigcalm makes an entrance
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> call that an entrance bigcalm ?
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dame Edna Everage does "Entrances"
[11:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: :D
[11:36] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer / AlanBell: If the latest openerp was to be in precise, would you be happy?
[11:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Daviey: I would be no less or more happy than I am right now.
[11:37] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: oh, won't bother then :)
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Fabien at OpenERP s.a. might be more happy though.
[11:39] <AlanBell> server or client?
[11:39] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: would you be willing to test a package?
[11:39] <Daviey> AlanBell: server
[11:39] <Daviey> hmm, maybe client aswell
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> But what happens in less than 5 years when the next major version or OpenERP comes out?
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\of
[11:40] <AlanBell> client would be more useful than the server to be packaged I think
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> +1 AlanBell
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jorge suggested we right a "charm" for JuJu based on our installation instructions.
[11:40] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: if it were me, i'd pin deployments to 2 yearly updates :)
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> But upgrading OpenERP is non-trivial.
[11:41] <Daviey> exactly :)
[11:41] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: Hi
[11:42] <AlanBell> well you could package it with the version number
[11:42] <AlanBell> so you would have a package for the 6.0.x series and one for the 6.1.x series
[11:43] <AlanBell> upgrades between them are done by a hosted migration service that openERP provide to people who buy the subscription
[11:44] <Daviey> AlanBell: looking at 6.1 snapshot for precise.
[11:49] <TonyNorfolk> Is anyone brilliant with plymouth - I adjusted it and it now looks aweful.
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> TonyNorfolk: aweful? That's a mix between awesome and awful? :P
[12:05] <BigRedS> I still maintain that those two words should be synonymous
[12:09] <TonyNorfolk> MartijnVds: Lol - good spot!
[12:09] <kirrus> BigRedS: You mean, awesome/awful, or aweful/awful should be synonymous?
[12:15] <BigRedS> kirrus: awesome and awful
[12:19] <kirrus> but.. they're polar opposites!
[12:19] <BigRedS> Yeah, and I think that's wrong
[12:19] <kirrus> why?
[12:20] <Daviey> cd MartijnVdS
[12:20] <Daviey> err, wrong window, and bad tab completion
[12:20] <BigRedS> oo-er
[12:20] <BigRedS> kirrus: Because 'awe some' and 'awe ful' are much the same
[12:20] <Laney> awenone
[12:20] <BigRedS> etymologically they shouldn't be opposites
[12:20] <daubers> MartijnVdS isn't a directory! He's a number!
[12:20] <BigRedS> it doesn't help that neither really means anything to do with awe any more
[12:21] <BigRedS> so we have 'awe-inspiring' instead
[12:21] <kirrus> BigRedS: when has the english language ever made sense?
[12:21] <dwatkins> ls -l Daviey
[12:21] <BigRedS> kirrus: It never has, that's why I have all these patches to submit to it
[12:21] <kirrus> BigRedS: when you rule the world... maybe ;)
[12:23] <bittin> The Precise beta works awesome :)
[12:24] <bittin> and changed to a wm you can actully use apart from Unity Openbox ftw :)
[12:26] <BigRedS> I've got really bored of thinking about WMs. I think I preferred it when nobody cared.
[12:29] <ali1234> back when managing windows was the primary function of the WM
[12:31] <dwatkins> looks like this summer's going to be pretty hot, it's sunny and warm even in Edinburgh today and it's barely spring.
[12:36] <BigRedS> It's summer
[12:36] <BigRedS> that's what happened on saturday night
[12:36] <BigRedS> summer started
[12:37] <dwatkins> oh, I didn't realise summer started so early, though it was only just spring
[12:37] <BigRedS> summer begins when summertime starts, winter begins when summertime ends
[12:37] <BigRedS> spring and autumn are myths
[12:37] <dwatkins> ah
[12:38] <dwatkins> it's like someone flipped a switch, we had a right pea-souper of fog on Saturday, then Sunday was sunny and warm
[12:38] <BigRedS> We had _really_ dense fog in the morning on saturday, but by about midday it felt like summer
[12:39] <dwatkins> in Edinburgh, the fog lasted all day, which was surreal
[12:40] <BigRedS> actually, what was really weird here was how quick it came in - I looked outside, confirmed it was a nice day, put my bike sutff on and stepped out into the fog
[14:39] <selinuxium> Hmm... Latest update killed my unity...
[14:39] <selinuxium> now runnign 2d..
[14:39] <selinuxium> running even...
[14:39] <Laney> seems like a bit of a rocky one
[14:40] <selinuxium> I take it there have been other reports then...
[14:40] <selinuxium> Haven't had a chance to look yet.. Been fighting trying to get 3d up..
[14:41] <popey> selinuxium: unity --reset
[14:42] <selinuxium> popey: from within 2d or command line at broken 3d?
[14:42] <popey> latter
[14:42] <popey> login to unity 3d, then switch to tty and login and run that
[14:42] <popey> switch back to F7 and you're done
[14:43] <selinuxium> Ok dokey... ttfn  :)
[14:43] <davmor2> selinuxium: what is the issue is it lots of gfx artifacts etc if so there is a bug for it, if it is that you are possibly better off in 2d for now
[14:47]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 and goes back to work,inbox 0 :)
[14:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeah inbox 0 every other folder has a 1000+ unanswered though right :D
[14:49] <czajkowski> nope :)
[14:49] <czajkowski> inbox ninja
[14:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeah yeah I've told you before that means mrevell isn't giving you enough work :P
[14:58] <czajkowski> :p
[14:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: have a hug for all the hard work
[14:58] <selinuxium> cheers popey, all sorted now.  Wondering if unity is aware it can't start?
[14:58] <mrevell> davmor2, czajkowski is working very hard :)
[14:59] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Have a hug because I haven't seen you in ages!
[14:59] <czajkowski> *hugs*
[14:59] <selinuxium> popey, then perhaps it could run unity --reset on it's own...
[15:00] <davmor2> mrevell: I know see my last statement I just enjoy winding her up :D  czajkowski doesn't bite anymore though so it's not as much fun :)
[15:00] <mrevell> davmor2, She's too busy to bite :)
[15:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: not sent you to the naughty step this year
[15:01] <davmor2> mrevell: hahaha
[15:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: true mind you I've been pretty busy too so the two competing won't help
[15:02] <davmor2> where is MooDoo
[15:05] <gord> its nice to see OpenTTD as one of the highest rated games in software centre :) sure played a lot of transport tycoon in the 90s
[15:14] <Myrtti> gord: waiting for corsix-th to be included as well
[15:17] <gord> Myrtti, hoping someone can re-create the datafiles under a re-distributable licence so people can play it without the original game :)
[15:17] <gord> and if someone wants to go ahead and make an open source dungeon keeper, i think we are set
[15:18] <davmor2> gord: that's your next project sorted then right :D
[15:19] <gord> i tried to once years ago :P data files are encrypted :(
[15:29] <davmor2> gord: back in the 90's right so might work flawlessly in dosbox then :D
[15:29] <gord> it does :)
[15:29] <davmor2> gord: end of problem then
[15:30] <gord> wellll not really, small resolution, looks bad on LCD's (back on crt wasn't a problem) and drains battery way too much if i want to play on the laptop
[15:31] <gord> #firstworldproblems
[16:03] <davmor2> popey: have a look at http://apps.ubuntu.com it's a bit better now :)
[16:05] <davmor2> popey: although you still get all reviews for now
[16:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Integrating Your App Into Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/26/integrating-your-app-into-unity/
[16:24]  * bigcalm boogies to some Electric Six
[16:24] <bigcalm> It's quiet in here today
[16:24] <czajkowski> monday busy times
[16:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: BOO!
[16:24] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I guess that's why I haven't chatted much in here either :D
[16:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: erm, eek?
[16:25] <bigcalm> Half an hour left to the day \o/
[16:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: sorry I was just making some noise :D
[16:25] <bigcalm> Though I've just the last of the milk from the fridge. Hayley might be a little miffed at not having a cuppa tea when she gets in
[16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: Don't worry flowers are cheaper now so I don't mind attending the funeral :)
[16:27] <bigcalm> Fnar
[16:42] <bigcalm> The excitement I feel when I hear the "pop" of new email arriving gets dashed when it turns out to be yet another system report
[16:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you want I can forward some of mine onto you and you can see if you can fix it if you want? :D
[16:49] <bigcalm> Oh, is that the time
[16:50] <bigcalm> Gotta run
[16:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: wuss
[16:53] <mrevell> Anyone else got a Viglen MPC and wondering what to do with it now that 10.04 is the last LTS that'll run on it? I know I have three years before I have to look another OS altogether but the thing has always been too damn slow to be that useful, anyway :)
[16:55] <davmor2> mrevell: can't you drop lubuntu on it
[16:55] <mrevell> davmor2, Is lubuntu retaining support for i586? Ooh, if so, yeah, that's an idea.
[16:56] <davmor2> mrevell: ah pass
[16:58] <mrevell> 10.04 has three years left on the server, anyway, so I'm not in a rush to find an alternative. It's more than I'm trying to talk myself out of buying an HP Microserver :)
[17:02] <mgdm> I might put straight Debian on mine
[17:02] <mgdm> Unless that has been rebuilt to preclude <586
[17:03]  * bittin listning to 50 Hertz
[17:04] <mgdm> I never found mains hum all that good to listen to
[17:05] <zleap> can someone help me with libreoffice i have a docx file saved as odf, but am getting read only elements that I can't edit,  it means I can't add new rows to a table etc
[17:25] <Nafallo> popey: any news on working unity/compiz/nux/bamf? :-)
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: it broke?
[17:32] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah
[17:32]  * MartijnVdS postpones rebooting
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: which bit
[17:32] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: unity/compiz interaction most likely
[17:32] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: some people was left with blank screen. mine kept flickering a lot
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I have the flickering on my laptop
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> Gym time :|
[17:41] <popey> Nafallo: unity --reset ☺
[17:41] <popey> Nafallo: should all be fine if you do a --reset
[17:42] <popey> mrevell: buy a microserver ☺
[17:54] <Nafallo> popey: ah. thanks. I'll try that in a bit
[18:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tolworth  25th March 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=137
[18:12] <Myrtti> I wonder if Womens Institute is approximately what I think it is
[18:12] <Myrtti> reading Wikipedia it appears so
[18:25] <daubers> Muder is still illegal right?
[18:25] <daubers> s/Muder/Murder
[18:29] <directhex> Mulder?
[18:40] <daubers> Moida
[18:48] <davmor2> man they made the x-files illegal.......
[19:02] <diplo> evening all
[19:03] <davmor2> diplo: is a copper careful what you say
[19:03] <diplo> ?
[19:03]  * diplo lost
[19:04] <diplo> ah I get you :)
[19:04]  * diplo is tired, just fought putting the kids to bed
[19:04] <czajkowski> mmmm pizza
[19:05] <diplo> Home made I hope!
[19:06] <ging> 67
[19:06] <Azelphur> Incoming longquestion :o
[19:06] <ging> stupid tabs
[19:06] <Azelphur> so, if everybody is bored, I'm thinking about some stuff, as everybody knows I run game servers, we're starting to shift quite a lot of large files, up to 50MB a pop to every client that connects, and we want to start mirroring for some projects, etc...Currently we have the webserver up on the same dedicated server that's running the game servers, but I have a feeling that the webservers traffic will start effecting the game servers. So I'm wondering...
[19:06] <Azelphur> should I aim at rate limiting the webserver? (I don't think this would work too well as everybody needs to download the map at the same time), What about the cheap managed hosting plans, will they get angry if I start passing 2TB+/mo bandwidth through them? Any other suggestions?
[19:07] <diplo> heh was going to suggest using godaddy accounts or something
[19:07] <czajkowski> diplo: no chance
[19:07] <Azelphur> lol godaddy xD
[19:07] <diplo> I like home made ones
[19:08] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: which games?
[19:08] <diplo> No limits Azelphur, I know they have there issues and I am moving away from them atm but bandy wise if you are just linking files
[19:08] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: currenty TF2 shifts the most traffic, We're beta testing minecraft atm and then we're just gonna keep on adding games at infinitum while mirroring for projects relevant to those games
[19:09] <BigRedS> How often does the data change? CDN?
[19:10] <Azelphur> diplo: yea, I'm thinking map change = 75% of players have to download the new map? = 24 people all trying to get a 50MB file at 50mbit? nearly 3 minutes just for a mapchange...bad >.<
[19:10] <Azelphur> BigRedS: CDN is an option, but they are a bit dark magic to me I don't fully understand it
[19:10] <Azelphur> plus, I'm very low budget
[19:11] <diplo> I suppose, are they maps hosted by other game server people ?
[19:11] <Azelphur> I did the math for Amazon S3 and it'd totally nuke my budget
[19:11] <diplo> Link them to multiplay's files :D
[19:11] <Azelphur> diplo: haha, clearly you missed out on the whole "hotlinking is a bad idea" lesson :P
[19:11] <diplo> Or chat with Wizzo/Killing about it
[19:11] <diplo> Wizzo is a good bloke, really helpful
[19:12] <Azelphur> who is wizzo?
[19:12] <BigRedS> Yeah, CDNs are cheaper than S3
[19:12] <diplo> Owner of Multiplay
[19:12] <BigRedS> they're also slower to update
[19:12] <diplo> Run the 1-2k people lans ?
[19:12] <BigRedS> so if you've new files every several days they're alright, but if you're constantly updating files they're less good
[19:12] <BigRedS> Not sure on precise pricing, though. I've never paid for one :)
[19:12] <Azelphur> BigRedS: how slow are we talking? I mean we're talking similar to apt for example, there will be software, the software will have updates.
[19:12] <diplo> http://www.multiplaygameservers.com/
[19:13] <Azelphur> diplo: yea I know multiplay :)
[19:13] <BigRedS> Ah, the speed of the update is fast, it's the frequency with which you can do it that's limited
[19:13] <diplo> Well Wizzo is the owner reall name Craig, and the guy who designed clanforge and does most of the game server wizardry is Killing ( Real name Steve )
[19:14] <diplo> Good nice guys
[19:14] <Azelphur> diplo: hehe, fun :)
[19:14] <diplo> See if they can help you out ?
[19:14] <diplo> You do it for fun dont you ? Not profit
[19:14] <Azelphur> BigRedS: yea, so the question is really if something like APT could be done via a CDN, because it should be a similar update frequency really
[19:14] <BigRedS> you'ld have somewhere hosting the files, and point teh CDN at them. Periodically, you can expire the cache on the files to force the CDN to recollect the files rather than serving out of cache any more
[19:14] <Azelphur> diplo: Both, although I don't earn any money atm I'd like to XD
[19:15] <mgdm> expiring files on a CDN is sometimes expensive
[19:15] <mgdm> they prefer you just to upload new files with different names
[19:15] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[19:15] <mgdm> doing a cache purge is something you tend to only get a limited number of per month
[19:15] <Azelphur> what sorta price would this be anyway?
[19:18] <brobostigon> what does prorata mean?
[19:19] <Azelphur> proportional ratio?
[19:19] <mgdm> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_rata explains it better than I could
[19:20] <mgdm> atually, no it doesn;t
[19:20] <brobostigon> :(
[19:20] <mgdm> what's the context?
[19:21] <brobostigon> mgdm: me wanting two staggered invoice periods combined.
[19:50] <Azelphur> well, apparently my dedicated server provider solved that problem before I had it
[19:50] <Azelphur> "yo we sold you 100mbit but...yea your on 1gbit, enjoy."
[19:50] <BigRedS> handy!
[19:50] <Azelphur> that explains why I was able to do a 32MB/sec download the other day
[19:50] <Azelphur> haha
[19:50] <Azelphur> I shall rate limit my webserver to something like 500mbit/sec, and laugh.
[19:51] <Azelphur> and my dedicated provider has decent bandwidth overcharges too, so I should be fine even if I start poking the 5TB limit
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: only 500? :)
[19:52] <Azelphur> haha
[19:52]  * MartijnVdS pokes a server at work
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> and another
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> and another
[19:52] <Azelphur> :P
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: working at one of the country's biggest isps :)
[19:53] <Azelphur> >.<
[19:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: but I have the quality? InterNAP NYC Tier 1 ;)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: We're the ISP that grew from a bunch of hackers back in '93... and they don't like slow downloads :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have no idea how much up/downstream we have and from where, but gigabits = peanuts
[19:54] <Azelphur> indeed, xs4all is awesome, I'm not even in NL and I know of them and some of the cool stuff they do
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: :) Cool
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> Still waiting for the fibre company (which is separate...) to install the fibre though.. it's 7 floors down. I can _see_ it, it has my address on it.
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> it's taunting me :(
[19:55] <mgdm> am I the only one who's reasonably happy if he has more than about 8mbit?
[19:55] <Azelphur> haha
[19:55] <mgdm> I could get 50mbit or even 100 where I am, I just can't really be bothered
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: I want to upload photos and videos sometimes. At 1mbit/s that's a bit horrible
[19:56] <BigRedS> mgdm: nope. I've no idea what I'm on
[19:56] <BigRedS> but it lets me download bits of the Internet so I'm happy
[19:56] <mgdm> I'd have to upgrade all my stuff (everything I have is on 11g just now)
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: at 500/500 it shouldn't be a problem anymore
[19:56] <mgdm> I barely download anything
[19:56] <mgdm> and only upload stuff to Flickr, periodically
[19:56] <Azelphur> I'd love faster internet
[19:57] <Azelphur> Uploads are really painful on ADSL
[19:57] <Nafallo> popey: just to confirm. I want the latest -proposed, reboot and then unity --reset once logged in to the strobo-desktop?
[19:57] <Azelphur> I would do so many cool things if I had fast upload
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'd back up my NAS to an identical one at my parents' place for one
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and the other way around
[19:57] <Nafallo> hmm. new unity. maybe not.
[19:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:57] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I'd like to use my bitcoin cluster to do a super-super HD render of my minecraft map
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (note: we have no bandwidth usage limits)
[19:57] <Nafallo> and compiz as well it seems...
[19:58] <Azelphur> but the upload would be terabytes
[19:58] <czajkowski> popey: who does andy piper now work for ?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Run it like Google Maps
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: with tiling etc.
[19:58] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: is your laptop still flickering? :-)
[19:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: we do
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I'm on my desktop atm, laptop is off
[19:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://map.minecraft.azelphur.com/ pop the sidebar out on the right and click PvE :P
[19:58] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: well, whichever was flickering before... is it fixed now? ;-)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: *sigh* I'll go turn it on
[19:59] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: gratzie
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Upgradink..
[20:01] <popey> Nafallo: ya
[20:01] <popey> czajkowski: not sure he's publicly announced yet
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: there's no new unity in my upgrade list
[20:03] <Nafallo> hmm. weird.
[20:03] <Nafallo> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main unity i386 5.8.0-0ubuntu2 [1,192 kB]
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ah, I'm using a mirror
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> rechecking
[20:04] <popey> 5.8 is latest
[20:04] <Nafallo> popey: there are at least two 5.8.0 ;-)
[20:04] <czajkowski> popey: bugger
[20:04] <czajkowski> cheers
[20:04] <popey> czajkowski: why?
[20:05] <czajkowski> need speakers for limerick conference
[20:05] <popey> ahh
[20:05] <czajkowski> am trying to rack my brains here
[20:05] <czajkowski> need an ARM speeaker also
[20:05] <czajkowski> rasbery pi
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: have you talked to the RPi people? They seem very "talkative" lately
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I'm still amazed at a bug with this much impact being introduced this late in the cycle
[20:09] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah, same here.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Oh hey 5.8.0-0ubuntu2
[20:10]  * Nafallo looks at changelogs
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> logging out & back in again, brb
[20:11] <zleap> what exactly is that pop out side bar thingy in unity called ?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> still blinky von blinkenstein
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> zleap: sidebar?
[20:11] <gordonjcp> zleap: lots of things, few of them repeatable in a channel where people love the CoC
[20:11] <Nafallo> launcher?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Icon tray?
[20:12] <zleap> ok
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: 8-)
[20:12] <gordonjcp> I tend to call it an ill-designed buggy piece of foolishness
[20:12] <zleap> i need one for windows,  i am so used to it that when i use windows i put my mouse cursor on the left hand side, expecting to see it, LOL
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> zleap: Use Windows 7, its task bar works almost the same
[20:13] <Nafallo> right. I'm upgrading, and will tickle popey half to death if this fails on me again.
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> zleap: if you put it on the left
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: only half?
[20:13] <zleap> the main issue i have is that when i er go to close an app it appears covering the close button
[20:13] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: I want him alive... he's good to blame for shit ;-)
[20:13] <daftykins> czajkowski: are you back there now? i was in Limerick for the first time at the start of March :O
[20:13] <zleap> MartijnVdS, you mean i can move it
[20:14] <czajkowski> daftykins: nope but running a conference there in october
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> zleap: the Windows task bar? Of course, after you unlock it
[20:14] <gord> i set my windows 7 task bar on the left to try and get the same experience, its not, its just infuriating
[20:14] <zleap> i meant the unity one
[20:14] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: looks like the latest compiz will fix the screen corruption by doing what popey said automatically :-P
[20:14] <daftykins> czajkowski: neat
[20:14]  * zleap has xp
[20:14] <zleap> and ubuntu
[20:14] <daftykins> i heard it's the stabby capital of Ireland
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> zleap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtphSIeMstY
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> zleap: now you'll hear them sing "Lock the taskbar" forver
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> +e
[20:15] <zleap> lol
[20:15] <zleap> like start me up by the rolling stones
[20:15] <gord> if thats adam and joe, then you are mean :P
[20:15] <gord> you can't forget that
[20:16] <zleap> anyway as I hardly use windows its not exactly a big issue
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: the clash - rock the cabah
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> gord:
[20:16] <zleap> it was more of a comment on how ubuntu has affected me
[20:16] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: nooooooo!
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: LOCK THE TASKBAR
[20:17] <zleap> start me up
[20:17] <zleap> you have to click start to close me down LOL
[20:17] <daftykins> rock the taskbar :( no wait...
[20:17] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: :-)
[20:17] <gordonjcp> tune
[20:17]  * zleap waits for a comment on that one
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: at least you don't have to drag it to the trash to unmount
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: talk about awkward dates
[20:18] <zleap> you mean you have to do that on windows or linux
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: macos
[20:18] <zleap> ah
[20:18] <zleap> sorry
[20:19] <daftykins> zleap: i heard that from a colleague of my dads a bit ago, very true that you click start to stop... :>
[20:20] <zleap> it is still the case as you click start shutdown
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: well it's sort of logical.. "I want to start the bit of software that stops the computer"
[20:20] <zleap> only the start button is no longer says start on it,
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> also, just press the power button.. it'll pop up a question or just shut down properly
[20:20] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: yeah, you also start shutting down don't you :D
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: exactly
[20:20] <daftykins> zleap: although they renamed it 'the orb'
[20:20] <zleap> ah
[20:20] <daftykins> so yeah there's nothing start-like about it anymore XD
[20:20] <zleap> right that is catchy
[20:21] <zleap> i will stick to unity
[20:21] <zleap> or kde or anything Linux based
[20:21] <Nafallo> daftykins: heh, someone read too much david eddings ;-)
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> FVWM95
[20:21] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: working?
[20:21] <zleap> yeah
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: no, still blinky mcblinkenstein
[20:22] <zleap> ohh notice the day
[20:22] <daftykins> Nafallo: who?
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: 5.8.0-0ubuntu2 that is
[20:22] <zleap> 26th March,  1 month to go till 12.04
[20:22] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: and compiz?
[20:22] <zleap> :D
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: uhrrr...
[20:22] <Nafallo> Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-proposed/main compiz all 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 [3,288 B]
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> precise-proposed?
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> I don't have that!
[20:22] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: heh
[20:22] <zleap> precise pengolian
[20:22] <zleap> or something
[20:23] <zleap> pangolion
[20:23] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: that's the one that is supposed to fix the flicker, fwiw. according to the changelog :-)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: Oh woo. Also the blank screen thing?
[20:23] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah. it basically resets compiz to default on upgrade ;-)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> instead of fixing the REAL problem
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> GOOGLE'S APT SERVER, Y U SLOW
[20:24] <Nafallo> haha
[20:24] <Nafallo> yeah
[20:24] <gord> googles apt server runs on a 56k i swear
[20:24] <Nafallo> quite
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> gord: I heard it's 14k4
[20:25] <gord> and MartijnVdS that is called unblocking so you can spend more time figuring out the real fix ;)
[20:25] <Nafallo> gord: are you sure they are not using an ARM-board to host it? ;-)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> gord: What do they call not breaking it in the first place? :)
[20:26] <gord> a world where software is made by perfect beings, probably deep thought
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> gord: I think we've had this discussion before.. :) I kind of like full test suite runs on every commit :)
[20:27] <gord> we have that
[20:27] <Nafallo> hmm
[20:27] <gord> but a test suite only tests what you know - it doesn't test what you don't know
[20:27] <Nafallo> staging archive for certification/qa to run the things?
[20:28] <gord> yeah, don't quote me on the specifics, but a solution along those lines, problems come about when things like this are found a few days before a release
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> Woo, working Unity
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> Time to fix it again..
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> wow, even alt+stuff works when you disable HUD
[20:32] <Nafallo> meh. I just didn another apt-get update, and guess what... yet another compiz
[20:32] <zleap> lol
[20:34] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: don't suppose you happen to know much about tc?
[20:34] <Azelphur> seems like it might be in your field :P
[20:34] <Nafallo> right. time to try a reboot.
[20:34] <Nafallo> might bbiab... ;-)
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: tc? traffic control? the qos tool?
[20:36] <daftykins> top cat of course!
[20:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yep
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://lartc.org/ :)
[20:36] <jacobw> rtfm
[20:36] <Azelphur> trying to figure out how I might rate limit my webserver
[20:36] <Azelphur> oh god but the manual is scary >.<
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Not as scary as sudoers
[20:36] <jacobw> its queue discipline
[20:36] <Azelphur> lol
[20:37] <daftykins> Azelphur: put it on dialup
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'd start with trying to find a module for the webserver to limit bandwidth
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: failing that, http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html
[20:37] <Azelphur> yea, I asked in nginx and they wern't very useful, I did some googling and couldn't find one, I don't think there is one
[20:38] <Nafallo> oh. latest updates seems to work.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Queue discipline sounds very British to me :)
[20:38] <jacobw> :D
[20:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:38] <Nafallo> popey: seems it's fixed in the archives :-)
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: yeah, it resets unity/compiz, as gord said.. so bye bye customizations
[20:39] <jacobw> i actually listened to a podcast episode about queueing on friday
[20:39] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah :-)
[20:39] <jacobw> it was very interesting /o\
[20:40] <bigcalm> popey: AlanBell: christel: where's nice to stay in Farnham?
[20:40] <daftykins> at least it would've been if you ever reached the head of the queue?
[20:40] <daftykins> (sorry)
[20:41] <jacobw> haha
[20:43] <daftykins> oh lawd
[20:43] <daftykins> i just got reminded i got asked to be my brothers best man at his wedding in September
[20:44] <AlanBell> bigcalm: this place is interesting http://www.hoteldevie.com/leisure/faqs.html#swingers-hotel-myth
[20:44] <daftykins> not that i hugely know what it involves but i don't like such things :P
[20:44] <jacobw> its time to write a speech
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it involves getting drunk
[20:44] <daftykins> only one of those sounds do-able
[20:44] <daftykins> :>
[20:44] <jacobw> more or less so than the groom?
[20:45] <jacobw> ones supposes the groom has an incentive to be not too drunk
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Hence the responsibility of the best man
[20:46] <jacobw> fascinating
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> Also, if you're into that, the bride's single friends
[20:46]  * jacobw is attending a wedding in june
[20:48] <bigcalm> AlanBell: haha, thanks :)
[20:49] <daftykins> heh i sense they'll mostly be Guernsey girls, so... ;)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: is that a bad thing? :)
[20:50] <daftykins> sometimes :>
[20:50] <daftykins> mostly
[20:50] <daftykins> well of course i'm crazy myself too
[20:50] <daftykins> ;D
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> if you say so
[20:56] <Azelphur> haha, just tested my 1gbit connection, I just downloaded Ubuntu 12.04 precise from a mirror in 14 seconds at 59.3MB/sec
[20:56] <bigcalm> AlanBell: that amusing bit of info to one side, sounds like a nice place
[20:57] <AlanBell> yeah, quite convenient for the station
[20:57] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Hayley and I have the week booked off after the RAT, so our options are open as to what to do
[20:57] <bigcalm> We're in no rush to get home
[20:58] <jacobw> to where is you gigabit connection?
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> THE WORLD
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[20:59] <jacobw> zzz
[21:00] <jacobw> :)
[21:12] <bigcalm> Looking at Hotel de Vie on google maps has the info snippit of "bed and breakfasts · egyptian cotton · erotic art · biscuits · individually themed"
[21:12] <bigcalm> Biscuits?
[21:12] <AlanBell> to go with the tea
[21:12] <bigcalm> Phew
[21:13] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have you seen the standard fitting (apart from one) in the rooms? http://www.hoteldevie.com/leisure/rooms/index.html
[21:13] <AlanBell> not in person, no
[21:13] <bigcalm> Haha
[21:14] <bigcalm> Maybe that's part of the swinging myth
[21:14] <bigcalm> Or partial cause
[21:14] <AlanBell> but you can tell us all about it afterwards
[21:14] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:28] <bigcalm> !info ike
[21:28] <bigcalm> Anybody used an IPsec VPN client in Ubuntu or Debian via the CLI?
[21:29] <bigcalm> I have to set up 2 external connections, one by IPsec, one by PPTP
[21:33] <Azelphur> grrr, this is getting frustrating, I'm still trying to find out how to do bandwidth throttling with nginx, it seems like it's the only webserver that doesn't have an option for it
[21:34] <jacobw> :)
[21:37] <jacobw> nginx is bound to a ip address on an interface shared with other processes?
[21:39] <Azelphur> jacobw: yea, but it obviously has it's own port
[21:46] <mgdm> I'd argue that traffic shaping is better done in something like iptables, but that's just me
[21:46] <Azelphur> yea, that's what they say
[21:46] <Azelphur> only thing is I don't really want to have to read the entire iptables manual just to figure out how to do this
[21:47] <Azelphur> plus I really don't like playing with iptables because if I break my network access to the machine I'm locked out
[21:47] <mgdm> also my web servers generally want to operate as fast as possible, and sod the bandwith :P
[21:47] <Azelphur> yea, I have other services running on the same box
[21:47] <Azelphur> so I need the web server to not be able to choke them
[21:47] <jacobw> tc
[21:48] <Azelphur> jacobw: yea, but again the manual for that is absolutely beastly
[21:48]  * bigcalm grumbles
[21:49] <mgdm> Azelphur: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.ratelimit.single.html
[21:49] <Azelphur> I don't wanna have to read like 400 pages of manual just to put a rate limit on a web server
[21:49] <bigcalm> If Whisky Web wasn't in the middle of a rather large project, I might have been able to get my boss to pay for me to attend
[21:49] <mgdm> Azelphur: you'll want to fiddle with the match clause in the last command
[21:49] <mgdm> bigcalm: :(
[21:49] <bigcalm> :( indeed
[21:49] <Azelphur> mgdm: can that be modified to only do a specific interface/port?
[21:50] <bigcalm> I'm going to be demob happy at the end of April
[21:50] <Azelphur> or rather, interface+port, since I only want a specific interface, specific ports
[21:50] <mgdm> Azelphur: $DEV is the interface, the 'match ip dst' bit is the port
[21:50] <Azelphur> match ip dst seems to show an IP though
[21:50] <mgdm> Azelphur: RTFM, below
[21:50] <Azelphur> haha ok, reading \o/
[21:50] <mgdm> Azelphur: it links to the bit on writing match clauses
[22:05] <Azelphur> mgdm: is that example for guarenteed minimum bandwidth? or does it actually limit
[22:05] <Azelphur> I'm trying it locally but I seem to be able to exceed the limit
[22:05] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/7xCcgJes is what I'm doing
[22:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Once upon a time in Cardiff - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/26/once-upon-a-time-in-cardiff/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=once-upon-a-time-in-cardiff
[22:13] <ali1234> Azelphur: this is where having loads and loads of IPs comes in handy
[22:14] <Azelphur> haha
[22:14] <Azelphur> unfortunately, I don't
[22:14] <ali1234> well you used to
[22:14] <Azelphur> yea, now I have 5 \o/
[22:14] <Azelphur> and I have other services on all of them
[22:17] <daftykins> nn all \o
[22:18] <jacobw> NAT/vhosts?
[22:41] <anusha> anusharang


[00:02] <Logan> nacc: curious why you added a php-mbstring build dependency for php-finder-facade, since it doesn't seem like it needs it
[00:09] <slangasek> Unit193: thanks for the pointer to bug #824943, but I'm not sure how you concluded I missed it, since that package had not been uploaded to the NEW queue at the time you wrote that :)
[01:03] <Unit193> slangasek: ESP!  But I saw ubuntu-core-launcher hit and looked at its changelog.  (And not sure/mistook that for snapd, partially because breaks and rest because tired.)
[03:55] <nacc> Logan: hrm, i'm assuming i saw testcase failures w/o it. I will reverify tmrw AM.
[03:56] <Logan> nacc: ok cool, thanks
[03:56] <Logan> nacc: also you're aware that phpunit doesn't install properly at the moment, right?
[03:57] <Logan> phpunit : Depends: phpunit-mock-object (>= 3.1) but 3.0.6-1+ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:58] <nacc> Logan: wasn't, but will add it to the list :) -- merging and getting 16.10 sync'd to Debian is my goal for this week across the php landscape
[03:58] <nacc> Logan: i assume that was in 16.10 (and not 16.04)
[03:58] <Logan> yep, that's correct
[03:58] <Logan> I've been helping out with some syncs, at least :P
[03:58] <nacc> Logan: thanks for letting me know, will get it fixed
[03:59] <Logan> nacc: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8upo5sbothxfi3/Screenshot%202016-05-22%2023.59.34.png?dl=0
[03:59] <Logan> cheers :)
[04:37] <slangasek> nacc: that's only in yakkety-proposed... I may have mentioned this earlier, possibly when you weren't looking at your IRC client :)
[04:39] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:45] <pitti> Good morning
[05:45] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: there's the upstream and Debian bug, not aware of a separate Ubuntu bug
[05:46] <pitti> smoser: import tempfile> eww, ugly; that's also new since yakkety's py3?
[06:07] <pitti> stgraber: the lxc failure is something else<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:07] <pitti> stgraber: we do have yakkety cloud images, but the test is looking for a yakkety-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.xz which doesn't exist in https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/yakkety/20160519.1/
[06:07] <pitti> stgraber: did that maybe get renamed to -lxd.tar.xz?
[06:48] <dholbach> @pilot in
[07:10] <seb128> enjoy dholbach ;-)
[07:56] <Saviq> pitti, morning, can you please re-run http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-api with --all-proposed?
[07:56] <pitti> Saviq: will do, once the x86 backlog clears (we had some problems over the weekend)
[07:56] <Saviq> ack
[08:08] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: In yakkety, we're consolidating to just the squashfs; I believe stgraber and co. need to do some work before lxd will support that. :)
[08:09] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: I take it droping -root.tar.xz was on purpose? but it sounds like -lxd.tar.xz would mostly replace it for nwo
[08:09] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: stgraber force-badtest'ed lxc because of "missing yakkety images", but that just hides the real bug
[08:10] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: -lxd.tar.xz is just the lxd metadata.
[08:10] <pitti> oh
[08:10] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: Dropping the -root.tar.xz was intentional, yes. :)
[08:31] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: oh, and the -disk1 suffix got dropped as well? /me adjusts adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud
[08:38] <Saviq> Mirv, we seem to have a problem https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtchooser/58-gfab25f1-1
[08:38] <Saviq> qtchooser : Breaks: libqt5core5a (< 5.5.1+dfsg-17~) but 5.5.1+dfsg-16ubuntu11
[08:43] <Mirv> Saviq: yes, I noticed it about 1h ago when my builds started breaking too. I uploaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.5.1+dfsg-17ubuntu1
[08:43] <Saviq> Mirv, ack
[08:43] <Saviq> pstolowski, ↑
[08:44] <Mirv> it got autosynced from Debian where they did simultaneous uploads
[08:50] <zyga> ogra_: hey
[08:50] <zyga> ogra_: around?
[08:52] <pitti> sil2100: to confirm, we won't build any touch products from yakkety, right? we'll move to xenial
[08:53] <sil2100> pitti: hey! Yes
[08:53] <pitti> sil2100: hey, how are you?
[08:53] <pitti> sil2100: and long-term we'll move away from system-image towards snappy, right?
[08:54] <pitti> sil2100: in systemd we still have that awful patch to use /etc/writable/; it's our only delta, so I'd like to sync systemd in yakkety now, as we won't need that patch anytime soon (or not at all any more)
[08:54] <pitti> we can restore it at some point if needed, but I see no need dragging it along all that time
[08:58] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: Yep; we'll be sending out an email with the details (once we're sure they're fully implemented ^_^).
[08:58] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: I did http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=6676ed6 for now, this seems to work
[09:05] <sil2100> pitti: hm, so the end-plan is to use snappy, yes, but that's still a bit far from now
[09:05] <sil2100> Since I'm not familiar with those parts, what would be the impact of dropping the patch?
[09:05] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: FWIW, if you were consuming streams it should have Just Worked (TM). :)
[09:06] <pitti> sil2100: in a yakkety-based touch image you couldn't set the time zone through timedatectl, and hence through the settings app
[09:07] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: you mean parsing http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/daily/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.cloud:daily:download.json ?
[09:08] <pitti> if that's a stable format, I can do that
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, imho if we start dropping "things touch needs" we should record them in a bug
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: I can do that, no problem
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, but yeah, same line of thinking than when we said that packagekit 1.0 is fine because click isn't going to be needed by touch in y any time soon
[09:27] <seb128> speaking of which
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: is there a bug for that? I'll look at that one then to use the same tags and similar title
[09:28] <seb128> doko, mvo, it might make sense to just drop aptdaemon-pkcompat in yakkety and use packagekit aptcc instead?
[09:29] <seb128> pitti, not yet no, I just though now when I saw your systemd question that we should probably record the "known brekages" somewhere
[09:30] <ogra_> zyga, just returned from dentist, whats  up
[09:30] <ogra_> ??
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: I filed bug 1584671 with a  dropped-ubuntu-touch-patch tag for now
[09:31] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:32] <zyga> ogra_: hey :-)
[09:32] <zyga> ogra_: I sent this via email now
[09:32] <zyga> ogra_: feel free to ping me here for details
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: actually, I renamed it slightly as it's a patch for system-image, not touch per-se
[09:33] <seb128> well, it impacts the touch flavor
[09:33] <seb128> but I'm not picking on the name
[09:34] <pitti> seb128: I mean I retitled the bug, I kept the tag
[09:34] <pitti> but feel free to adjust, I don't mind
[09:35] <seb128> oh, ok
[09:35] <seb128> no, looks good to me
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[10:02] <dholbach> @pilot out
[10:03]  * dholbach will do some more piloting tomorrow... too much going on today
[10:17] <jamespage> cjwatson, morning
[10:18] <jamespage> cjwatson, do PPA's ever forget about previous versions uploaded?  having some hassle around some packages in Debian that don't use consistent orig.tar.xz's (generated from git tags...)
[10:19] <cjwatson> jamespage: Never.
[10:19] <jamespage> cjwatson, I thought that was the answer - thanks for confirming...
[10:19] <cjwatson> jamespage: Then again the Debian archive only forgets about those semi-randomly and over a fairly long timeframe.
[10:19] <cjwatson> jamespage: So it's not like using inconsistent orig tarballs is free of problems there either.
[10:19] <jamespage> cjwatson, this is a bit of a pet peeve for me atm
[10:19] <cjwatson> I'm sure.
[10:20] <cjwatson> Not going to change in LP though :)
[10:20] <jamespage> cjwatson, I appreciate that - we'll figure out some sort of workflow to try limit this from happening
[10:20] <cjwatson> You can use a different PPA if absolutely necessary; they're only remembered within a single archive.
[10:20] <jamespage> I can fake-sync it for now
[10:20] <cjwatson> But same file name with different contents isn't a good look.
[10:21] <jamespage> cjwatson, for the packages we're directly maintaining for openstack in ubuntu this is not a problem, as we're using pristine-tar and a gbp based workflow atm across the team
[10:21] <jamespage> its more of a problem where we're participating in pkg-openstack in Debian, where the policy is not that...
[10:22] <jamespage> ho-hum
[11:11] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: Yep, that's streams; talk to smoser to check if there are already tools that will do what you want. :)
[11:11] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: in Ubuntu we have some python-simplestreams and simplestreams CLI, but they aren't available on Debian; so it's "parse the JSON" or continue the "guess URL" approach
[11:13] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: Ah, of course. :)
[11:20] <rbasak> pitti, smoser: simplestreams should be fairly trivial to get into Debian I think, if somebody wants to do that.
[11:21] <seb128> slangasek, pitti, xnox, hey ... so upstart in yakkety-proposed fails to build on s390x and that blocks unity to land (which blocks important fixes to be SRUed because Trevinho wanted to be good citizen and land to devel before SRU) ... since nobody seems to have slot to work on the upstart build, any objection if we delete that version from y-proposed to unblock unity?
[11:21] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, ^
[11:22] <rbasak> pitti: the format is logically stable, but you should pass your parse logic by me or smoser since some parts of that are designed to change.
[11:23] <rbasak> (eg. don't assume that searching for a set of things by key will always result in one image if it does right now; use product IDs if you need a particular thing, etc)
[11:29] <Trevinho> pitti: hey!
[11:29] <Trevinho> pitti: also, could you re-review the upower patch? :)
[11:35] <seb128> Trevinho, let's wait a bit for them to reply and delete it by mid-afternoon to unblock unity if they don't?
[11:35] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[11:39] <seb128> Trevinho, you can prepare the SRU meanwhile ;-)
[11:39] <Trevinho> seb128: sure, so... You'd say to keep things in one branch or, just I prepare a debsrc and you can upload... what you prefer? :)
[11:40] <seb128> Trevinho, you are going the work so as your prefer
[11:40] <seb128> if silo works fine just go with that
[11:40] <Trevinho> seb128: silo is fine for me, but... It takes longer in general, to get uploaded
[11:40] <seb128> why?
[11:40] <Trevinho> if someone can then upload that quickly, I'm fine with it
[11:41] <seb128> it just takes the time to get the build in the ppa done
[11:41] <Trevinho> seb128: people deosn't see it?
[11:41] <seb128> but then you spare it in proposed
[11:41] <seb128> oh, you mean in the queue?
[11:41] <Trevinho> seb128: see the other SRU branches I've:https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/user/Trevinho
[11:41] <seb128> I don't think so
[11:41] <Trevinho> they're still waiting
[11:41] <Trevinho> I've pinged people in ubuntu-release, but still...
[11:41] <seb128> it's just SRU team being busy/not picking those
[11:42] <seb128> I don't think manual upload would solve that
[11:42] <seb128> though the fact that there is no diff handy in the queue webui might make a few reviewer skip over it
[11:42] <seb128> lunch, bbiab
[11:43] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, yeah... I see
[11:52] <Saviq> pitti, hey, can you please rerun http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-api with --all-proposed again, a Qt issue (resolved since) prevented the previous runs from completing
[12:29] <pitti> rbasak: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mysql-5.7/yakkety/ppc64el/ is very flaky, I'll add a hint for that now; but I suppose mysql on ppc64el is a supported thing, can your team look into that?
[12:31] <pitti> seb128: right, the queues fill up faster than they get processed, and hardly everyone gets back to t or w I figure :/
[12:32] <pitti> Saviq: that goes for e. g. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#webbrowser-app as well I suppose
[12:32] <Saviq> pitti, looks like it, yes
[12:33] <pitti> Saviq: same issue as in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[12:33] <Saviq> pitti, most likely yes
[12:34] <Saviq> pitti, and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtdeclarative-opensource-src could use an --all-proposed re-run,too
[12:34] <Saviq> and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-system-settings
[12:34] <Saviq> ...
[12:34] <Saviq> omg we really want a new unity8 in the release pocket...
[12:35] <pitti> Saviq: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8 -> not installable
[12:35] <Saviq> pitti, yeah, I know, working on it
[12:35] <pitti> ok
[12:35] <Saviq> it's blocked by http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-api
[12:36] <Saviq> which is why I was asking for a re-run there
[12:37] <pitti> Saviq: queued
[12:37] <Saviq> thanks
[12:38] <rbasak> pitti: looks like it needs a deep dive. I'm not sure that's within our remit. jgrimm, please can you advise? MySQL dep8 is flaky on ppc64el only.
[14:06] <Saviq> pitti, I think we need to push http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-api through - without it http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-shell doesn't build and so unity8 is uninstallable... and we're going in circles
[14:06] <pitti> Saviq: builds happen against -proposed, so I don't understand how that would help?
[14:07] <pitti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/260775998/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.unity-scopes-shell_0.5.7+16.04.20160505-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz FTBFS on some C++ errors
[14:07] <Saviq> pitti, oh you're right, I thought it was waiting for unity-scopes-api (it was on Friday) - now it just FTBFS, and we've a fix cooking there
[14:08] <seb128> grar
[14:08] <Saviq> pitti, ok, then we should be back in business soon
[14:09] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, upstart from yakkety release is also missing a s390x build (unsure how that happened) so deleting the proposed version didn't help :-/
[14:09] <Trevinho> ouch
[14:09] <Trevinho> so, going for new silo?
[14:09] <pitti> seb128: I think xnox already removed the s390x binaries before, so that we stop blocking on s390x ftbfs
[14:10] <ricotz> seb128, ah, I guess the libreoffice xenial-i386 build would just need a retry
[14:11] <seb128> ricotz, hum, unsure who cancelled it/why ... thanks for pointing out, I just retried
[14:11] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.1.3-0ubuntu1/+build/9771317
[14:11] <ricotz> seb128, I mentioned in #launchpad last week
[14:11] <ricotz> the builder was stuck
[14:12] <seb128> pitti, that doesn't help; unity buil-dep on libupstart-dev which doesn't exist at all
[14:12] <seb128> so the build depwait
[14:12] <pitti> seb128: ah, so we need to remove the s390x binaries of unity as well? (I'm surprised that didn't already happen)
[14:13] <seb128> pitti, I guess so, but then we need to remove any unity rdepends binaries as well?
[14:13] <pitti> right
[14:14] <seb128> not sure I want to go this road
[14:18] <ricotz> Mirv, hi, please note the *versioned* breaks of qtchooser against libqtcore4
[14:19] <pitti> apw: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt seems unhappy
[14:19] <pitti> apw: about "trying: linux" -- supposedly we need to remove all those transitional packages now?
[14:23] <apw> pitti, looking
[14:26] <seb128> Trevinho, I would force land with the missing build if it's possible, ask on -ci-eng
[14:26] <seb128> it's going to be stucked in yakkety-proposed but that's fine
[14:26] <seb128> somebody is eventually going to resolve the upstart/s390x issue
[14:26] <pitti> most likely not
[14:27] <pitti> it was removed from s390x quite deliberately
[14:27] <seb128> hum
[14:27] <pitti> so I think removing unity7 on s390x is the right solution
[14:28] <Trevinho> I guess there's no objection to that at all
[14:28] <pitti> in yakkety-release, so that an FTBFS on s390x doesn't block any more
[14:29] <seb128> ok, let's do that
[14:29] <pitti> xnox, slangasek: hmm, so if I have a /usr/share/upstart/sessions/{bamfdaemon,hud}.override containing just "manual", shouldn't that prevent the corresponding *.conf from starting? they still auto-start
[14:30] <seb128> but in any case it means we can land to silo to proposed
[14:30] <seb128> unity s390x is not going to build
[14:30] <pitti> yes, that's independent
[14:30] <seb128> Trevinho, can you ask about that?
[14:31] <Trevinho> seb128: about force landing?
[14:31] <seb128> yes
[14:33] <pitti> seb128: want me to remove unity7 on s390x, or are you on it already?
[14:34] <pitti> i. e. the binaries from the "unity" source, right? (not unity8)
[14:34] <seb128> pitti, I'm doing it
[14:34] <pitti> ack
[14:35] <seb128> done
[14:38] <apw> pitti, ok, so i assume we removed the lts kernels from yakkety sometime recently
[14:38] <pitti> apw: they have never been in x or y; I thought these binaries came from linux-meta and were just for upgrades from e. g. 14.04.3
[14:38]  * apw wonders if that makes any sense, no it doesn't
[14:39] <pitti> apw: but linux-meta in y should drop all these -wily etc. transitionals
[14:39] <pitti> maybe it did, and they became NBS and uninstallable now?
[14:39] <apw> pitti, right they should be being removed, but as yet we're still cpopying forward
[14:40] <pitti> apw: hm, but they should still be installable, they just depend on the "normal" image/tool in y
[14:40] <apw> pitti, but no they haven't been removed yet, because we're copying forward, and ^ that as you say
[14:40] <pitti> apw: oh, red herring
[14:40] <apw> so i don't think that can be what it is ocmplaining about
[14:40] <pitti> apw: linux-image-generic itself is also uninstallable
[14:42] <apw> pitti, is it?  isn't that just britney working out that linux needs linux-meta too ?
[14:42] <apw> pitti, doesn't the second and third (?) sets just saying we need a debian-installer for this to migrate ?
[14:42] <pitti> apw: that could be it; I tried in a schroot and it is installable
[14:43] <apw> pitti, the first attempet looks like linux alone, which never works
[14:43] <apw> i'll go check d-i
[14:43] <pitti> so let's blame the missing d-i rebuild
[14:43] <apw> and make one
[14:55] <Mirv> ricotz: right, good point, so it should be -7 or higher
[14:55] <ricotz> Mirv, I have commented on the bug
[14:55] <Mirv> ricotz: thanks!
[14:56] <ricotz> this breaks the world ;)
[15:05] <slangasek> seb128: sure; so while we're at it, why was upstart built again on s390x, I'm pretty sure I removed stale binaries once already this cycle...
[15:06] <slangasek> pitti: yes, my understanding is 'manual' should prevent an autostart :/
[15:06] <seb128> slangasek, if it shouldn't build it should probably be removed from the arch list? otherwise it looks like it was an error and people try to fix it?
[15:17] <Mirv> ricotz: 4.8.7+dfsg-7ubuntu1 uploaded now, but I can't follow up to see how it goes before tomorrow
[15:26] <ricotz> Mirv, thanks
[15:55] <pitti> slangasek: ok, thanks; the manpage seems pretty clear about it, but it doesn't actually prevent the job from starting
[15:56] <Saviq> pitti, ok, unity8 should be installable again according to rmadison, could you queue the unity8 run with --all-proposed again (although apt in a container here still doesn't see the required unity-plugin-scopes package)
[16:02] <pitti> Saviq: done
[16:08] <stgraber> pitti: yeah, CPC did that weird thing where they removed the images we said we may be able to remove this cycle before doing the needed work for us to be able to use the new format...
[16:09] <stgraber> pitti: so we're effectively stuck without working devel images and with failing lxc tests again...
[16:11] <stgraber> pitti: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1577922
[16:17] <Odd_Bloke> stgraber: I'm pretty sure we all agreed to removing the images, and _also_ all agreed that we would remove them and people would fix things on their side.
[16:20] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke: I know I agreed with the former, the latter, I was under the impression would be done after it would actually be possible for folks to migrate to the new format, which it's not until you do the stream change we need
[16:21] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke: anyway, hopefully the change can go live soon and then I can start actually landing the needed change and then do another round of SRUs since this change missed the window for 2.0.1 (released last week). So it'll be another couple of months before people can use yakkety on xenial which is why I'm not super happy about it.
[16:22] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke: the initial ETA for the change (early May) would have worked, it getting moved to June screwed things up by making it miss our .1 bugfix releases, making it a .2 thing and so delaying the fix by a month and a half or so for our stable users
[16:25] <Odd_Bloke> stgraber: Understood, and that sucks; the changes required to the build system ended up being more complex than we were expecting.
[16:26] <Odd_Bloke> combined_sha256 should now be being produced for yakkety, but I see that it isn't currently; we'll dig into that and get that fixed.
[18:08] <hallyn> sladen: hey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/apt-sync was filed in 2006, just curious, whatever happened with that?
[18:08] <hallyn> it sounds sweet :)
[18:08] <hallyn> would love for my apt-cache server to use that in the background
[19:04] <pitti> stgraber: thanks for the pointer
[19:05] <pitti> stgraber: could the tests use the images.linuxcontainers.org images for the time being? or would that be too much work?
[19:05] <pitti> stgraber: this is mostly just FYI; I just don't like having a force-badtest for lxc for an extended period of time, as it's very useful to detect regressions from new kernels and such
[19:05] <stgraber> pitti: the test already uses images.linuxcontainers.org for a bunch of images, the particular failing test is very specifically testing the ubuntu-cloud template
[19:06] <pitti> stgraber: oh, right
[19:06] <pitti> stgraber: so maybe an appropriate step for now would be to disable that test in yakkety?
[19:07] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[19:07] <rbasak> We need one more for quorum.
[20:23] <elbrus> what does it take to end up on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[20:23]  * elbrus expected cacti and cacti-spine there
[20:23] <pitti> elbrus: it's still in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1, i. e. hasn't been reviewed by the SRU team yet
[20:24] <elbrus> pitti: ok
[20:27] <elbrus> pitti: but what does "pending SRU" mean than?
[20:28] <pitti> elbrus: SRUs which got reviewed/accepted by the SRU team and are actually in *-proposed, and being tested
[20:28] <elbrus> ah, ok
[20:28] <pitti> once they get verified and moved to *-updates, they disappear from the page again
[20:31] <elbrus> pitti: at least you verified by your URL that the packages are on the SRU radar, which is really what I was interested in
[20:32] <pitti> right
[21:08] <juliank> What's up with the sbuild and apport regressions in xenial with apt 1.2.12? e.g. 'E: Unable to find a source package for procenv' for sbuild
[21:09] <juliank> hmm, does not seem to be apt related
[21:39] <Saviq> slangasek, infinity, I believe you guys have access to snakefruit, would you please queue a --all-proposed britney run of unity8 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Re-running_tests thanks
[21:39] <mwhudson> tianon: hi, did you talk to anyone about containerd / runc yet?
[21:44] <slangasek> Saviq: looking at the excuses, it doesn't appear that will unblock anything given that unity8-common has an unsatisfiable depends on amd64
[21:44] <slangasek> (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8)
[21:45] <Saviq> slangasek, that's solved by now
[21:46] <slangasek> Saviq: oh, sorry, refreshing
[21:46] <Saviq> slangasek, I've just checked in a container here and I can `apt install unity8` with yakkety-proposed fine
[21:47] <slangasek> Saviq: right; I'm trying a more narrow trigger first, but will watch for results and retry with --all-proposed if necessary
[21:47] <Saviq> slangasek, I can tell you a normal trigger will fail
[21:48] <Saviq> slangasek, because we've a unity-api released that's too new for the released unity8 (yes, we need to think about our Depends there)
[21:48] <slangasek> Saviq: my "normal" trigger has about a half dozen --trigger options passed to it in order to test the packages all at once
[21:49] <Saviq> acl
[21:49] <Saviq> ack, even
[21:49] <slangasek> I may have missed some, in which case yes I'll give up and use --all-proposed ;)
[22:03] <clivejo> can anyone help me with a "stack smashing detected" crash and how to find out if its being caused by AppArmor?
[22:03] <jtaylor> clivejo: its a compiler added check
[22:03] <jtaylor> it usually means a buffer overflow
[22:03] <jtaylor> or probably always
[22:04] <jtaylor> clivejo: run with valgrind it is likely to tell you where
[22:04] <clivejo> so its not AppArmor causing it?
[22:04] <jtaylor> no
[22:04] <sarnold> clivejo: it'd be a very strange program if an AppArmor denial caused this
[22:04] <sarnold> it'd still be a bug in the program of course :)
[22:36] <clivejo> how do I get a decent bt with these new ddeb files?


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[16:04] <greg-g> ain't stuffing the turkey, that just makes uncooked stuffing
[16:04] <greg-g> putting the fixings in the pan around the turkey
[16:04] <greg-g> alright, back at it (got to sleep in until 7:30, catching up quickly!)
[16:06] <rick_h_> happy thanksgiving greg-g and company :)
[17:33] <cmaloney> Happy THanksgiving everyone!
[18:23] <derekv> woot
[19:51] <greg-g> cmaloney: the squeezebox software for linux isn't in debian/ubuntu?
[19:51] <greg-g> sorry, enjoy thanksgiving cmaloney
[19:51]  * greg-g goes back to looking stuff up himself
[23:42] <cmaloney> greg-g: It's not in the main repo
[23:42] <cmaloney> but you can get it via their site
[23:42] <cmaloney> http://downloads.slimdevices.com/
[23:52] <cmaloney> http://downloads.slimdevices.com/LogitechMediaServer_v7.7.3/
[23:53] <cmaloney> That's the latest non-beta software.
[23:53] <cmaloney> There's a 7.8 beta that moves a few of the plugins locally
[23:53] <cmaloney> http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/


[01:16] <Guest22959> I am trying to install R, it is in tarball form I used the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo unsuccessfully. Any help would be much appreciated
[05:38] <Mad-Leigh> hello everyone, need help trying to find what email account was used to register on ubuntu forums as I know my old user name but not the email account used to make it.
[05:40] <stlsaint> Mad-Leigh: you have many emails??
[05:40] <Mad-Leigh> yes many espically with yahoo chat accounts, over 150
[05:41] <stlsaint> well in that case i dont know.
[05:41] <Mad-Leigh> don't want to be forced to go through all of them
[05:41] <Mad-Leigh> would be nice to be able to chat to a ubuntu forums admin to get some help as the ubuntu forums help page does not offer anything to help my needs
[05:43] <stlsaint> yea
[05:44] <Unit193> Yeah, I'd say ask in #ubuntuforums and wait a bit, but I could be wrong...
[05:44] <stlsaint> Mad-Leigh: you forgot email and password??
[05:46] <Mad-Leigh> my page is http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=1228999 would admin to able to see what email account was used to create it so then I can recover my account ?
[05:48] <Mad-Leigh> yes forgot all details, found that page via google search, have since installed 12.04 PP LTS and thought I would update my details on the ubuntu forums
[05:48] <stlsaint> Mad-Leigh: i just sent a message to whatever email account you used
[05:48] <Mad-Leigh> but can not log in
[05:49] <Mad-Leigh> thanks for your help
[05:49] <Mad-Leigh> tips and advice
[05:49] <stlsaint> you dont know your email password neither?
[05:50] <Mad-Leigh> I can recover my email account passwords as I used a sencondary account to creat them, but can not remember what email account was used to register on ubuntu forums
[05:51] <stlsaint> Mad-Leigh: the main admin personnel reside in irc channel #ubuntuforums...you can try asking there and waiting forawhile. Its am in the US so it may take a while
[05:52] <Mad-Leigh> ok maybe I will just re register a new name then send a email to admin to get some help
[05:52] <Mad-Leigh> thanks. :)
[05:52] <stlsaint> Mad-Leigh: no need to make two accounts
[05:52] <stlsaint> Mad-Leigh: if you make a new one, request the old one be deleted
[14:03] <gazza> Hi I am new to linux, so much reading done i have forgotten what I was going to ask
[14:04] <gazza> I was trying to dwnload a program, but caught up with so much info
[14:08] <gazza> how does one download programmes and from where(repositories)
[14:36] <gazza> hi is anyone around
[14:42] <stlsaint> gazza: what are you trying to do?
[14:47] <gazza> hi stl
[14:47] <gazza> I would like to add a firewall to my system
[14:48] <stlsaint> gazza: why?
[14:49] <gazza> I was reading on ubuntu site and they mentioned it.
[14:50] <stlsaint> gazza: so because you seen it on a site you want it? Do you know how firewalls work?
[14:50] <gazza> I am running lucid
[14:50] <stlsaint> thewrath: sup
[14:51] <stlsaint> gazza: ok..still...what do you want the firewall for?
[14:51] <gazza> Ok I am so new to linux the wrapping is not yet off
[14:52] <gazza> used to running windows system with antivirus and firewall protection
[14:54] <stlsaint> gazza: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DoINeedAFirewall
[14:56] <gazza> going to find where i was in ubuntu and check tour link too
[15:06] <geirha> Use the software center to download and install software
[15:10] <gazza> what is the ufw or gufw, on my installation it does not have system->administration->firewallconfiguration. I was looking for added protection for my computer, is this a necessity?
[15:11] <stlsaint> gazza: for general daily use...no
[15:11] <stlsaint> unless you are doing something that requires a firewall in which case you would know the need to have one
[15:12] <gazza> 0k so linux is pretty safe compared to windows
[15:12] <stlsaint> gazza: unlike windows ubuntu does not have any open ports by default.
[15:12] <stlsaint> gazza: yes
[15:13] <gazza> i still have to learn the terms used for everything
[15:14] <gazza> only finished loading 10.04lucid late last night
[15:15] <gazza> so as i said still very new for me.
[15:17] <gazza> What happens if some hand me a flash drive with drawings on it that have viruses from his computer?
[15:19] <geirha> If you copy them further to a windows user, you'll help to spread it, but it won't affect Ubuntu
[15:19] <gazza> ok thanks understand
[15:21] <gazza> iwent to sourceforge earlier and wanted to download a program. the package manager did not pop up, but downloaded as a file in my downloads. how do i install this programme?
[15:23] <stlsaint> gazza: is it a .deb?
[15:25] <gazza> i put it into my trash, does not give me a file extention
[15:26] <stlsaint> gazza: what is the package you are trying to install?
[15:28] <gazza> pycam, ihave restored it to my file browser
[15:30] <geirha> In general, you want to avoid downloading software from the web
[15:31] <stlsaint> gazza: that is a .tar.gz which means you need to extract it and look inside to see how to install
[15:31] <gazza> ok i wil give it a try
[15:32] <geirha> In this case though, the repositories does not have a package for pycam, so the next best thing is to try and find a debian package (.deb) for it
[15:33] <geirha> or, well, a ppa would be better
[15:34] <gazza> what is the difference btwn .deb and .tar.gz and how do i look for a .deb or a ppa
[15:34] <geirha> !ppa
[15:34] <ubot2> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge
[15:35] <geirha> gazza: a .tar.gz is just a compressed archive, like a .zip or .rar file. There's no telling what it may contain, or how you would go about installing it
[15:35] <geirha> It may also not be possible to uninstall it afterwards
[15:35] <geirha> *possible to easily uninstall it
[15:39] <geirha> Anyway, it at least provides a debian package, which may be installable on Ubuntu. http://pycam.sourceforge.net/download.html
[15:39] <gazza>  Install the following packages with your package manager:
[15:39] <gazza>     python
[15:39] <gazza>     python-gtk2
[15:39] <gazza>     python-opengl
[15:39] <gazza>     python-gtkglext1
[15:39] <gazza>     python-pyode        (optional)
[15:39] <gazza>     python-setproctitle (optional)
[15:39] <gazza>     python-psyco        (optional)
[15:40] <gazza> On a debian or ubuntu system you would just type the following in a root console:
[15:40] <gazza>     apt-get install python-gtkglext1 python-opengl python-gtk2 python-pyode python-setproctitle python-psyco
[15:40] <gazza> Please note that you need to enable the "universe" repository in Ubuntu.
[15:40] <gazza> BEWARE: Debian "Lenny" and Ubuntu "Jaunty" (maybe also Dapper/Hardy/Intrepid)
[15:40] <gazza> sorry justfinger trouble
[15:41] <gazza> that is wat i got out of i'ts install.txt file
[15:42] <gazza> hope u can understand what it means and give me a run down explaination
[15:46] <geirha> Well, again, avoid the tar.gz
[15:46] <geirha> grab the debian package
[15:48] <gazza> it does not tell which is the .deb package in sourceforge. I will delete it from my system and try elsewhere
[15:49] <gazza> what happens when u empty the trash? in windows some parts still hang around in the registery, what happens with linux???
[18:57] <veric> any idea why i would have to go into sound settings and test my speakers to get sound to work when i start videos?
[21:12] <Steven_> Hello is anyone there?
[21:13] <bioterror> there's someone
[21:13] <Steven_> Axlin you there?
[21:13] <bioterror> alsi here
[21:13] <bioterror> also
[21:13] <Steven_> So I have a question I can't seem to find on google
[21:14] <Steven_> When I'm doing something like copying files or what ever I can't do stuff with other programs very well
[21:15] <Steven_> When I boot in to windows I don't have this [rpblem
[21:15] <Steven_> Is there anyway to spread the work load across windows?
[21:15] <Steven_> or applications I should say
[21:16] <bioterror> and you computer is quite new?
[21:16] <bioterror> your
[21:16] <Steven_> Fairly new
[21:17] <Steven_> AMD duel core x64 3.2ghz
[21:17] <Steven_> 4GB ram
[21:17] <Steven_> I mean it's not awful but it's very annoying
[21:18] <Steven_> I've notice after a few updates the problem is not as bad as it was at a time
[21:18] <Steven_> Still really hard to multi task
[21:19] <Steven_> I was hoping there was an anti freeze application or something
[21:19] <Steven_> So is there anything I can do?
[21:20] <bioterror> that sounds quite weird, honestly
[21:20] <Steven_> You don't have that problem?
[21:21] <bioterror> no I do not have
[21:21] <Steven_> What version of ubuntu?
[21:21] <bioterror> Im running kubuntu 12.04
[21:23] <Steven_> does that use unity?
[21:23] <bioterror> no
[21:23] <Steven_> I think unity is the problem
[21:23] <Steven_> I used older versions of linux and they ran smoother
[21:24] <bioterror> I have once tried unity on USB pendrive
[21:24] <Steven_> how did it work for you?
[21:25] <bioterror> it was just gnome shell messed up :)
[21:25] <Steven_> oh heh
[21:26] <bioterror> you could check iotop for example
[21:26] <bioterror> monitor your hard drive activity
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> c


[21:22] <balloons> bdmurray, ping
[21:24] <bdmurray> balloons: hi
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> can you two figure out how to handle CSRedRat, or at least help to alleviate his confusion?
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> i'm going to assume my email to him a few days ago was eithier ignored or never reached him, since we can't see his email address (and maybe that email doesn't work anymore?)
[21:26]  * TheLordOfTime is stuck with an nginx FTBFS on a production system
[21:29] <balloons> bdmurray, hello.. Heh, as you can see TheLordOfTime is concerned about a lp user posting bugs asking for packages to be updated
[21:29] <balloons> for example, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nmap/+bug/1179065
[21:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1179065 in nmap (Ubuntu) "Update to 6.25" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[21:30] <bdmurray> balloons: yes, I've heard the story
[21:30] <balloons> I'm sure :-)
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> correct me if i'm wrong, but won't the packages he's hitting be autosync'd?
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> save for nginx because of a delta we're maintaining
[21:34] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: IDK for nmap (we are using what Debian has). But we will just sync from Debian if they update it in time...
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  that's what I thought, of the bugs I"ve seen him post I only know nginx needed a merge because of a delta in ubuntu
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> but that'll end up being what Debian has in the end (plus the ubuntu-delta we're still maintaining)
[21:35] <hggdh> even where we have deltas, if the package is coming from Debian, we would still wait for Debian to be updated
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[21:35] <TheLordOfTime> now, my question, is how do we reach this person (csredrat) to explain the process and stuff?
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> i already sent them one email a few days ago, and got zero response
[21:36] <hggdh> emailing him via the LP interface is the only way
[21:36] <bdmurray> hggdh: that's not really true
[21:36] <bdmurray> and I suggested having an Ubuntu developer or a canonical employee email them
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> balloons brought up a good point, the email they're registered with could be out of date and no longer accessed/available to them
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> in which case that hits a brick wall.
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> and we're stuck with a person we can't contact.
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> but that's worst-case.
[21:37] <TheLordOfTime> ... wow, i just realized why nginx ftbfs... *facepalm*
[21:37] <hggdh> balloons: I guess you fill in one of the shoes bdmurray suggested :-)
[21:38] <hggdh> bdmurray: no, it is not completely true, I agree...
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> ... and fixed.
[21:38] <bdmurray> hggdh: I mean I know his their email address
[21:39] <bdmurray> I'll just email this person okay?
[21:39] <hggdh> bdmurray: I thought so...
[21:39] <hggdh> bdmurray: thank you, dear sir. In your debt, and all that
[21:39] <balloons> that sounds fine with me
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> works for me
[21:39] <TheLordOfTime> lemme know if they respond to you though :/
[21:39] <balloons> I don't have any special (to my knowledge) access to contact info
[21:40] <bdmurray> TheLordOfTime: and really the person stopped opening new bugs on the 12th
[21:40] <bdmurray> TheLordOfTime: so perhaps they are listening to you
[21:40] <hggdh> and no further action is necessary now
[21:40] <balloons> they are opening bugs as we speak :-)
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> bdmurray:  perhaps, however I did ask them a question if they were aware of autosyncs and stuff, got no response.
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> balloons:  link(s)?
[21:41] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pypy/+bug/1180109
[21:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1180109 in pypy (Ubuntu) "Update to 2.0" [Undecided,New]
[21:41] <TheLordOfTime> or numbers./
[21:41] <TheLordOfTime> ... yeah looks like he's continuing again.
[21:41] <balloons> lol
[21:41]  * TheLordOfTime refreshes the search page
[21:41] <bdmurray> oh, mailing list isn't up to date
[21:41] <balloons> anyways, the great and powerful bdmurray is on the case!
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> 8 of them so far.
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> bdmurray:  wait you get emails for *every* bug?
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> doesn't that flood your email?
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> or are you just checking the ubuntu-bugs mailing list to see if it's sent new stuff?
[21:47] <bdmurray> TheLordOfTime: I just use the ubuntu-bugs mailing list
[21:49] <TheLordOfTime> ah
[21:50] <bdmurray> with mutt


[12:48] <broder> tumbleweed: i got back to my room and gave up on udd. when i rewrote the backport security/sru checker script in launchpadlib, it took me about 30 minutes and runs in 11 :)
[12:48] <broder> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/727221/
[13:00] <tumbleweed> broder: :)
[13:41] <kees> broder: source or it didn't happen! ;)
[13:41] <broder> kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/727242/
[13:42] <broder> i'm working on reformatting it to feed the output into harvest
[13:54] <broder> Laney: do you know why DEP-8 doesn't add any fields to the .dsc file?
[13:55] <Laney> dude
[13:55] <Laney> I had never even looked at that page before this session
[20:26] <tumbleweed> angelabad: congrats :P
[20:28] <angelabad> tumbleweed, thanks! finally... :-D
[20:31] <jdstrand> broder: re backport security/sru checker> oh! excellent, can you ping me when you start using it regularly?
[20:31]  * jdstrand hugs broder :)
[20:32] <tumbleweed> jdstrand: he made that my problem... next on my todo list
[20:32] <micahg> heh
[20:33]  * jdstrand hugs tumbleweed instead of broder
[20:33] <jdstrand> broder: ;)
[20:33] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: thanks!
[20:33] <ajmitch> lucky you
[20:33] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: so, would you mind pinging me when the backporters start using it regularly?
[20:46] <tumbleweed> jdstrand: I won't know that, but I can tell you when it's up
[20:59] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: that would be great. thanks again
[21:11] <broder> jdstrand: did you see the preliminary output? it doesn't look like there are very many things that need to be re-backported
[21:12] <broder> (i've cleaned up some of the false positives since that edition of the code, but i don't think i've found any false negatives)
[21:14] <broder> and of the packages listed, quassel and clamav have already been handled, so that just leaves libvirt (jaunty->hardy), pidgin (intrepid->hardy), and tomcat6 (intrepid->hardy)
[21:14] <broder> and i think all of those will require some policy discussion from backports
[21:23] <micahg> broder: any desktop backports for hardy can be ignored
[21:24] <broder> ok, so we don't need to worry about pidgin, but we do need an answer for tomcat and libvirt
[21:26] <broder> given that they were backported from releases which are now desupported, i don't know what the right answer is. as a straw man, i propose reviving the security/SRU packages from the desupported releases as being no worse than what's in backports currently
[21:27] <micahg> right, you could also try to backport fixes from lucid if appropriate (or apply ones from hardy as appropriate)
[21:27] <broder> i'm concerned that creates more friction than is necessary
[21:29] <broder> i should probably check my backport-helper script and see if it will even agree to backport from a dead release...
[21:29] <micahg> well, if want the backport properly patched, it would be necessary, if you want the path of least resistance, then you could just take what was done before
[21:30] <broder> backports doesn't provide security support. we shouldn't get into the business of backporting security updates that aren't directly derived from the package that was originally backported
[21:30] <broder> tracking security/SRUs is already stretching that a good degree from what we've done traditionally
[21:31] <broder> valid_series = set(s.name for s in lp.distributions['ubuntu'].series if s.active)> bah. too clever for my own good
[21:37] <micahg> right, it depends how much effort you want to put into it :)
[21:38] <micahg> I'd suggest showing them (maybe aggregated at the bottom), but flagging that they need extra patches from elsewhere (possibly surrounding supported releases)
[21:38] <micahg> *might need
[21:42] <broder> i'll leave them in the report. i'm planning to just spit out a machine-readable report and slurp that into harvest, and we can hide the ones we don't care about solving there


[02:16] <smartboyhw> bkerensa, why the **** are you leaving Ubuntu? You aren't letting people down
[03:02] <IdleOne> Did you read the blog post?
[03:03] <IdleOne> pretty much explains it
[03:05] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, yeah, and I've talked to him
[03:05] <smartboyhw> So sad;(
[03:06] <IdleOne> I'm happy for him. He has done what he wanted and has found something else he wants to do. Seems to me that isall anyone can really ask for.
[03:07] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, yeah
[03:07] <jose> I totally agree with IdleOne :)
[03:07] <smartboyhw> Unforunately, me isn't:P
[07:03] <dpm> good morning
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[09:47] <dholbach> dpm, looking at the list of current blueprints - do you think it'd make sense to have a catch-all session about the softwarestore/click experience? or is it maybe too early for that and we should maybe have one out-of-band after the app competition?
[09:47] <dholbach> I'm a bit unsure
[09:49] <dholbach> dpm, I pinged all the guys and what's currently proposed is all we've got
[09:49] <dholbach> the rest got planned during the<PHONE_NUMBER>0942760426 email threads on the mailing lists in the last 2-3 months :)
[09:49] <dpm> :)
[09:51]  * dpm looks at blueprints
[09:52] <dholbach> dpm, I added them to your gdoc
[09:53] <dpm> yeah, I saw those, thanks! I'm looking at the rest of blueprints in the track. Did you file them under community- instead of appdev- for any specific reason?
[09:55] <dholbach> I felt like community- was sort of the catch-all - parts of the discussion would fall under foundations- others under desktop-, etc.
[09:56] <dholbach> also being in the community- track chances are better for me to actually be able to attend them ;-)
[09:57] <dpm> yeah, I think they might belong more to the apps track, but given that I've not got a strong feeling about it, that what you say makes sense and that we've only got 2 slots left, we might as well leave them in the community track
[09:58] <dholbach> WFM
[09:59] <dholbach> dpm, so we'd do a software store experience "city hall" meeting some time after the app competition?
[09:59] <dpm> it might actually work for UDS, even. If we announce the store this week, then there's the weekend and Monday for folks to test it
[10:00] <dpm> what do you think?
[10:01] <dholbach> yeah, maybe - let's see if we can announce this week still
[10:02]  * popey looks forward to uploading his fart app to the store
[13:25] <dpm> mhall119, after a chat with design, we're going to be merging the calculator and weather sessions. I was thinking of just renaming the title of the weather blueprint and unscheduling and untargeting the 13-08 sprint for the calculator blueprint. Would this work, or is there a better way?
[13:34] <mhall119> dpm: that should work, summit will update the meeting's info based on the BP
[13:34] <mhall119> dpm: only for those 2, or are we combining all of them that have the same designer?
[13:35] <dpm> mhall119, thanks. In principle only for those 2, as the design is finished and there is not much to discuss or get input for
[13:36] <mhall119> ok
[15:27] <popey> the burndown charts seem to have broken.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker/+bug/1215499
[15:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215499 in work-items-tracker "Sudden inaccurate upturn in TODO items " [Undecided,New]
[15:27]  * popey tickles cjohnston
[15:29]  * cjohnston cries
[15:30] <dholbach> mhall119, anything I forgot on https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2013/08/ubuntu-developer-summit-coming-up-next-week/?
[15:41] <mhall119> dholbach: looks good
[15:41] <dholbach> all right, will get it out to community-announce@ too
[15:41] <mhall119> dholbach: you might want to emphasize "Be prepared to lead your session"
[15:41] <dholbach> will do
[15:41] <mhall119> so it's not "Here's something I want dholbach to talk about while I listen"
[15:41] <dholbach> didn't we have a "here's how you lead a session" doc somewhere?
[15:41] <dholbach> I remember editing it a while ago
[15:45] <dholbach> some links on http://uds.ubuntu.com/agenda/ are still outdated
[15:45] <dholbach> maybe we should remove the links to pad.ubuntu.com
[15:45] <dholbach> and there's an /uds-r/ somewhere
[15:45] <dholbach> do we have icecast?
[15:47] <dholbach> oh and I should tell folks to register
[15:50] <dholbach> ok, mail sent to community-announce too
[15:57] <dholbach> mhall119, ^ should I file a bug about the stuff I found?
[15:59] <mhall119> dholbach: no icecast, since it's G+ hangouts
[16:00] <mhall119> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions has how to run a session
[16:01] <dholbach> mhall119, no - I meant more stuff like "take notes, ask people if they want to take work items, etc."
[16:03] <mhall119> dholbach: oh, no, I don't think we have that
[16:03] <dholbach> I'm quite sure we did :)
[16:03] <dholbach> but maybe it was cleaned away :)
[16:03] <dholbach> anyway
[16:03] <dholbach> shall I file a bug about the outdated info on /agenda ?
[16:21] <mhall119> dholbach: sure
[16:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: can you mark https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/launchpad-work-items-tracker/add-coreapps-config as merged please
[16:24] <dholbach> done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/uds-project/+bug/1215529
[16:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215529 in UDS Project "/agenda/ is out of date" [Undecided,New]
[16:25] <mhall119> cjohnston: done
[16:26] <cjohnston> ta
[16:26] <mhall119> np
[17:30] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day
[17:30] <dholbach> see you! :)


[02:33] <dax> !away > p_h
[23:15] <k1l> !7.04
[23:15] <k1l> !17.04
[23:16] <k1l> would be good to implement the 13th April as releasedate, imho