[01:11] <ScottK> james_w: It looks like you've been keeping qbzr up to date.  Are you up for packaging their new upstream release (fixes a critical bug)?
[03:18] <maco> any kde cdbs ninjas around?
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> o/
[03:24] <maco> JontheEchidna: im trying to fix a FTBFS. so far ive found that "debian/rules build" works dandy. "debian/rules binary", however, deletes *.cpp then whines because it cant find the code. all thats in rules in includes for debhelper.mk and kde.mk ... any idea what's up?
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> what package?
[03:26] <maco> darkroom
[03:27] <maco> JontheEchidna: ^
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> ergh, forgot about that one. I re-upped darkroom for a library transition and it failed
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> hmm, the best I can think, maybe something in the translation-stripper code is deleting the file for some reason
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> perhaps a corner case bug in the translation cdbs code
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> That's the only place where I know that the cdbs rules actually delete anything
[03:31] <maco> i dont think i have the translation stripper package installed in my pbuilder
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> kde.mk does it's own thing for translation handling in order to work with binarypkgmangler, so it gets run even when binarypkgmangler isn't installed
[03:33] <maco> so you think kde.mk deletes .cpp files?
[03:33] <maco> blah
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> try setting KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=true in debian/rules
[03:33] <dtchen> superm1: any possibility you could install alsa-utils_1.0.20-2ubuntu3 from LP librarian and use the procedure in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/352732/comments/63, please?
[03:33] <maco> ok
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> really it should only be deleting .pot files, but it could be misbehaving
[03:33] <dtchen> superm1: I can't reproduce the symptom at all, but you and others seem to be able to
[03:35] <maco> JontheEchidna: i did echo "KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=true" >> debian/rules and then debian/rules binary and it still deleted teh cpps
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> meh :(
[03:36] <maco> (there are no editors installed in pbuilder AFAICT)
[03:36]  * JontheEchidna has a hook that installs nano un-permanently upon build failure
[03:36] <wgrant> maco: There aren't any editors, but you can vim from outside.
[03:37] <maco> i had to pick a very WTF build failure, didnt i?
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> heh
[03:38] <dtchen> I'd much rather deal with FTBFS than angry users and angry upstreams.
[03:38] <maco> haha good point. your side of the room is full of grrrr right now
[03:38]  * JontheEchidna wonders if cmake.mk would suffice in darkroom's case
[03:40] <maco> s/kde/cmake/ ?
[03:40] <maco> w/ sed on rules?
[03:40]  * maco tries
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk
[03:45] <maco> that...appears to have worked!
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> then that definitely means something in kde.mk is borked
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> or more likely one of kde.mk's included .mk files
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if it would work if you unincluded kubuntu.mk in kde.mk
[03:47]  * JontheEchidna will play around with it a bit
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> if it is, I will add it to my list of "things I do fixing our rosetta compat that keep me from doing better things"
[03:49] <maco> hahaha
[03:51] <lex79> JontheEchidna: btw it's KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=1 and not =true, does it the same thing?
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> lex79: hmm, maybe it should be 1, not sure
[03:52] <lex79> yes it's =1, but I'm wondering if you set =true, it's the same
[03:52] <JontheEchidna> not sure
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> the fact that we have to have such a workaround is bullcrap in the first place
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> (where a universe package requires the .pot to build and doesn't have a Messages.sh around to generate a fresh .pot)
[03:54] <lex79> uhm yes
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> just more proof of the unmaintainability of kubuntu's translation stack at the moment [/rant]
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> ha, it is kubuntu translation stuff causing the failure
[04:21]  * JontheEchidna officially adds this to the list of "things I do fixing our rosetta compat that keep me from doing better things"
[05:17] <maco> JontheEchidna: lovely. well guess what? the program doesnt work after its compiled ANYWAY
[05:17] <JontheEchidna> could be a consequence of not using kde.mk
[05:18] <maco> nah bug 381986
[05:18] <maco> for me, it does that bug, then it crashes on an assert
[05:19] <maco> also, the svn date attached to the package is in DDMMYYYY order so it wont sort right -_
[05:19] <maco> -_-
[06:34] <superm1> dtchen, no my problem appears to be different.  my volumes weren't getting muted, they just weren't being stored at all (most likely due to a problem that FLAG stuff)
[08:52] <wrapster> what is the use of dirs in the debian directory?
[08:53] <hyperair> up to the packager
[08:53] <hyperair> generally they are temporary directories to make install files into before packing them off into debs
[08:53] <hyperair> or debian/patches for patches
[08:53] <hyperair> or some other custom directories for other things
[08:54] <wrapster> ok ...no harm in removing it though right? supposing i dont require it
[09:01] <hyperair> what directory, and what's in it exactly?
[09:01] <Laney> I think he means debian/dirs
[09:01] <Laney> it's for creating empty directories in your package
[09:02] <hyperair> oh!
[09:02]  * hyperair headdesks
[10:30] <YokoZar> Bah, new upstream release of spring-engine today that breaks multiplayer sync unless you update...
[10:30] <YokoZar> Guess I may be able to sneak it in to karmic
[11:00] <LucidFox> So, what happened to ffmpeg?
[11:00] <LucidFox> The -unstripped packages have been removed, correct?
[11:33] <ScottK> YokoZar: FFe for fixing a game is generally easy.
[12:00] <dtchen> superm1: well, your symptom was different, but the root cause for both yours and the others lies in alsa-utils
[12:01] <dtchen> superm1: it's probably best to just revert the initscript to the version in 1.0.20-2ubuntu3
[12:33] <joaopinto> there is also an warzone upgrade breaking network compatibility
[13:46] <ScottK> joaopinto: Getting an FFe for that should be easy.
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> maco: I got darkroom to build with kde.mk, mind if I upload? The problem was that quilt.mk wasn't being included, so our FTBFS patch that was already there wasn't being applied.
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> mm, maybe it should be removed from the archive. It really doesn't work
[15:02] <Rhonda> Hi. My brother wants to install ubuntu on his new laptop and I want to burn the CD for him. I need it tonight so I can't wait for the next RC or such. Is the beta linked from the main page the best option, or shall I fetch a daily build?
[15:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:05] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[16:07] <sebner> huhu sistpoty|work bddebian
[16:07] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[16:08] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work, sebner
[16:09] <sebner> sistpoty|work: it seems we need to stick with a backport for nexuiz :(
[16:09] <sistpoty|work> sebner: looks like it :/
[16:10] <sebner> sistpoty|work: I made fuddl some pressure 2 days ago but the only progress was the update to 2.5.2 and breakage for -data xD
[16:13] <CarlFK> why doesn't the python package include python binary?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/python/filelist
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> CarlFK: that's all kept in the python=<versionnumber> package that the python package depends on
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> !info python hardy
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that depends on the python-2.5 package which has the binary
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, actually the binary is in python-minimal
[16:16] <CarlFK> python-minimal not have readline ?
[16:17]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know what readline is
[16:17] <CarlFK> apparently it is what makes back-arrow move the cursor back
[16:17] <joaopinto> sebner, can't you just file an FFe for nexuiz ?
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> ah, a function
[16:18] <CarlFK> as opposed to >>> ^[[D
[16:18] <sebner> joaopinto: Debian version isn't ready and I refuse to upload anything else
[16:18] <joaopinto> sebner, so you prefer to keep a non working version :)
[16:19] <sebner> joaopinto: why non-working?
[16:20] <joaopinto> sebner, wasn't the network protocol changed ?
[16:20] <sebner> sistpoty|work: do you know something about that?
[16:20] <zul> dholbach: i need your mad skillz
[16:21] <dholbach> zul: my mad skills?
[16:21] <zul> dholbach: yeah can you translate this for me https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nis/+bug/307167/comments/2 ;)
[16:23] <sebner> joaopinto: didn't found any corresponding bug report. Besides I'm wondering what's with all the PPA versions. I doubt they are really correct when DM has such problem with it (e.g Upstream checksums on the files etc )
[16:26] <dholbach> zul: "ok unfortunately I need to reply in German now. the problem is that NIS users can authenticate to a ltsp client but can't use usb sticks or any usb devices. it doesn't matter if it's ldm or gdm. in my opinion this is about group permissions. entries in the NSSWITCH file were not made use of. I tried lots of different howtos they all didn't work out"
[16:27] <ghostcube> german is a mad skill rofl
[16:27] <ghostcube> havent known this til now
[16:27] <ghostcube> :D
[16:27] <ghostcube> firefox 3.5.4 drives me nuts
[16:27] <ghostcube> :D
[16:27] <zul> dholbach: merci beacoup
[16:27] <dholbach> de rien
[16:28] <ghostcube> :O
[16:28] <sistpoty|work> sebner: no, but it wouldn't surprise me too much if nexuiz changed the network protocol
[16:29] <ghostcube> the game ?
[16:29] <sistpoty|work> yes
[16:29] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python-minimal says "See /usr/share/doc/python-minimal/README.Debian for a list of the modules contained in this package. "  that file does not have the list
[16:29] <sebner> sistpoty|work: I have 2.5.1 installed now though but I don't think so. I only read about improving the protocol so downloads work faster now
[16:30] <CarlFK> anyone know where the list is?
[16:30] <ghostcube> http://www.getdeb.net/changes.php?id=4236  would be mentioned here so far if anything happened in the game proto
[16:30] <sistpoty|work> sebner: you'll need to test it then :P
[16:30] <sebner> sistpoty|work: heh true but I only have 1mbit currently :(
[16:30] <ghostcube>  Totally rewritten Client/Server communication to cut the bandwidth
[16:30] <ghostcube>        usage in half
[16:30] <sistpoty|work> heh
[16:31] <CarlFK> found it: /usr/share/doc/python2.6-minimal/README.Debian
[16:31] <ghostcube> so sebner i think they have done anything in the proto thingy
[16:31] <ghostcube> :)
[16:32] <joaopinto> open source games tend to change the protocol on each realease :P
[16:32] <ghostcube> hi joaopinto heh
[16:32] <sebner> ghostcube: the question is if it's still compatible with version 2.4.x which we have in ubuntu, I think so
[16:32] <ghostcube> sebner: ehm havent played it a long time
[16:32] <ghostcube> may joaopinto knows it
[16:33] <sebner> sistpoty|work: do you have karmic version installed right no? We need a deep test :P :P :P
[16:33] <joaopinto> nah, I am not an FPS player, I have just tested the latest version, it works
[16:33] <sistpoty|work> sebner: sorry, no gaming at work for me :(
[16:33] <joaopinto> event he single player, which was broken due to the checksum validation
[16:33] <sebner> joaopinto: ack
[16:34] <sebner> joaopinto: did you fix it (playdeb has 2.5.2 now right)
[16:34] <joaopinto> yes, it was packaged when it was released, there have been no failure reports until now
[16:35] <sebner> joaopinto: what did you do about the checksum problem?
[16:36] <joaopinto> sebner, after reading a svn commit on the debian games team just dropped the changes to default.cfg, I believe it was that, it was c_korn doing the package I think
[16:37] <sebner> joaopinto: ah I think the main problem is that Debian/Ubuntu package removes the "Upgrade to foox.y" messages and that requires file editing which violates the checksums etc
[16:38] <joaopinto> oh, the upgrade check
[16:38] <joaopinto> I am not that familiar with the package :|
[16:38] <ghostcube> sebner: c_korn is the package guru
[16:38] <ghostcube> :D
[16:39] <ghostcube> _-_
[16:39] <sebner> ghostcube: well "guru" is a really strong word ;)
[16:39] <sistpoty|work> if I read it correctly, the problem was(is?) that the compiled binary didn't match the precompiled sources, due to a makefile missing
[16:39] <ghostcube> for me he is :D
[16:39] <ghostcube> iam really weak in packaging
[16:39] <ghostcube> heh
[16:39] <sebner> sistpoty|work: yeah something like that + upgrad message
[16:39]  * sistpoty|work didn't read commit mails in detail :P
[16:43] <soren> siretart: Why are we disabling AAlib in mplayer nowadays?
[16:45] <soren> siretart: Argh, because Debian does it.
[16:47] <soren> siretart: bug #455535
[16:48] <soren> siretart: I'm hesitant to just go and fix it. mplayer is a scary package :)
[16:55] <superm1> dtchen, yes the init script from ubuntu3 does DTRT too
[16:55] <superm1> (just reverted to it to test)
[17:12] <wrapster> im trying to compile libnspr to support 64bit and running into issues.. http://pastie.org/660729 ..Platform is 64bit enabled..
[17:12] <wrapster> Its not purely ubuntu but since its with regard to packaging im raising my query here.. sorry if im wrong..!!
[17:14] <sistpoty|work> wrapster: I guess looking at configure.ac/.in for the failing test might be useful
[17:14] <wrapster> ok
[17:16] <wrapster> sistpoty|work: one more doubt.. for compiling this pkg should i first ensure that all the dependecies are in 64bi
[17:16] <wrapster> t*
[17:16] <wrapster> then go ahead and try building this.
[17:17] <sistpoty|work> wrapster: no idea, really. I assume you need at least the libs it build-depends on in 64 bit, *shrug*
[17:17] <wrapster> ok
[18:03] <zooko> Folks, have any MOTU been considering trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plexus-container-default/+bug/417164 in Karmic?
[18:03] <zooko> I try not to use Java, but this does look like a significant problem for a significant fraction of potential Karmic users.
[18:04] <MagicFab> I am new to the sync'ing process, specially past feature freeze. I am wondering if anyone could provide information on how likely it is to get a featurefreeze exception for this one:
[18:04] <MagicFab> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monit/+bug/426402
[18:15] <MagicFab> We've added missing information now. Can anyone take a quick look and tell me if anything else is missing ? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monit/+bug/426402
[18:16] <zooko> MagicFab: I'm not an MOTU, just a random kibitzer, but it looks like the update of monit will go into 10.04.
[18:16] <zooko> "Declined for Karmic by Brian Murray
[18:16] <zooko> "
[18:18] <iulian> zooko: I believe doko looks after that bug.
[18:18] <iulian> MagicFab: Looking.
[18:19] <MagicFab> zooko, I am asking Brian if this was just "incomplete ->  declined" or actually "even if complete info was provide -> declined"
[18:23] <james_w> he declined the nomination as this presumably isn't a release critical bug
[18:24] <james_w> if we can release karmic with the current version without the sky falling then it's not release critical
[18:24] <james_w> it doesn't mean that it can't happen for karmic
[18:24] <james_w> the terminology is a tad confusing though
[18:24] <MagicFab> right, apparently upstream doesn't know about the process and missed our dates. they release came out just ~10 days after our freezes
[18:25] <iulian> MagicFab: OK, as far as I can see there are loads of bugs fixed.  Could you please attach the ChangeLog to the bug report?
[18:26] <MagicFab> iulian, a colleague just attached it AFAIK. Do you require the full Debian changelog ?
[18:26] <iulian> I'd like the upstream ChangeLog.
[18:27] <iulian> Are there any packages that depend on monit?
[18:28] <iulian> (I cannot check myself atm)
[18:28] <MagicFab> iulian, no reverse depends, no
[18:29] <MagicFab> iulian, upstream log is at http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/monit/monit_5.0.3-3/changelog - is it ok if I just add that link to the bug report ? (sorry, I've never done this)
[18:30] <james_w> http://mmonit.com/monit/dist/CHANGES.txt
[18:30] <james_w> ^ that's what you need
[18:30] <iulian> Indeed, thanks james_w.
[18:30] <MagicFab> james_w, tx.
[18:32] <MagicFab> iulian, OK, added all changes since 4.10 to the report.
[18:34] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I've received an email saying that the upload of mandos (a sync request) failed with a "duplicate key value violates unique constraint "person__account__key"" error. What can I do to fix it?
[18:39] <iulian> MagicFab: Thanks.  Have you done any testing with it?
[18:41] <MagicFab> iulian, personnally no. I am inquiring because we have a 24/7 customer asking for it, presumably they have.
[18:41] <randomaction> fabrice_sp: sounds like bug 408528 (AFAIK, as a workaround, it should be reuploaded by a different person)
[18:42] <fabrice_sp> randomaction, it's a sync request, so it has been uploaded by an archive admin
[18:44] <fabrice_sp> should have been fixed on the 15th...
[18:45] <iulian> MagicFab: OK, that's good.
[18:45] <iulian> MagicFab: +1 from me.
[18:45] <randomaction> fabrice_sp: The error message is mentioned here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/23/%23launchpad.txt
[18:46] <MagicFab> iulian, willing & able to test should we have to.
[18:53] <iulian> MagicFab: You'll now need a second and final ack from another release member.
[18:54] <iulian> I've just subscribed motu-release.
[19:02] <randomaction> How do I enable pkgstriptranslations in pbuilder? Is installing pkgbinarymangler sufficient?
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> randomaction - i think you need to configure it to strip the translations too (i'm sure it doesn't do it by default)
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> i can't remember off the top of my head though, as it's been a while since i set it up
[19:04] <randomaction> chrisccoulson: thanks, I'll try to find and read the docs
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> randomaction - the settings are in /etc/pkgbinarymangler
[19:04] <chrisccoulson> i think they're quite self-explanatory
[19:05] <randomaction> great, thanks
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> yw
[19:07] <quentusrex> I need help handling configs
[19:07] <quentusrex> I have separated the configs into their own package,
[19:07] <quentusrex> but I need a way to handle when the file has been edited...
[19:07] <quentusrex> rather than just replacing the config files on disk.
[19:13] <MagicFab> iulian, Thank you.
[19:26] <dpm> randomaction, I think you've probably figured it out, but you can find more info on pkgbinarymangler here as well -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation#Verifying translation uploads
[19:30] <randomaction> dpm: thanks, maybe the pbuilder instructions page should include a bit about pkgbinarymangler as well (I'm working on a case where a package fails to build and default setup of pbuilder didn't catch it)
[19:31] <dpm> good point. I'll mention it to dholbach tomorrow.
[19:31] <maco> ya know, he's actually in the channel right now...
[19:31] <dholbach> dpm: if anybody wants to add it, add it
[19:32] <dholbach> doesn't need to block on me :)
[19:34] <dpm> dholbach, sure, I just wanted to at least let you know, I'll go for it :)
[19:35]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[19:35]  * dpm hugs back
[19:37]  * zooko hugs everyone.  Except for the people who didn't want that.
[19:38] <hyperair> it depends. what gender are you of? ;-)
[19:39] <schmichael> hi, i'm working on improving the packaging of mongodb and was wondering where to learn about packages that create new system users
[19:40] <schmichael> tried looking at postgres's source package with no luck
[20:15] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, is your ack in Bug #425640 also valid for 2.41-1? (you gave it for 2.36-1)
[20:16] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Sure, whatever works
[20:16] <fabrice_sp> thanks :-)
[20:41] <micahg> ugh
[20:41] <micahg> phpmyadmin requires a new package from debian...
[20:41] <micahg> didn't notice that before
[20:47] <qnix> In debian directory, files "*.files" are deprecated ? It's "*.install" now?
[20:48] <Zhenech> basically yes
[20:48] <Zhenech> syntax is bit different IIRC
[20:50] <qnix> I see that the ".dirs" file is in the .install too.
[20:50] <schmichael> can anyone point me in the right direction to learn about how to make a package create a new user?
[20:50] <micahg> ScottK: the new phpmyadmin requires a new package to be imported from debian, is it too late?
[20:50]  * schmichael is working on packaging mongodb
[20:52] <Zhenech> qnix, .dirs is mostly unneeded anyways, but its not deprecated afaik
[20:53] <qnix> Zhenech: ok, will remove them anyway
[20:56] <joaopinto> micahg, are you concerned about the security vuln on phpmyadmin ?
[20:56] <joaopinto> I remember someone was working on it...
[20:57] <micahg> well, it was uploaded
[20:57] <micahg> and I was given "credit" for it, but there was a new point release since I requested the sync
[20:57] <micahg> debian modified the package to have a new dependency
[20:57] <micahg> and that version was imported
[20:57] <micahg> so now the package is broken
[20:59] <joaopinto> erm, a sync request without being checked ?
[20:59] <siretart> soren: what's scary about mplayer? - IMO the most scary thing is the fact that it is maintained in git :-)
[21:00] <micahg> no, when I made the request it was fine, it was when a newer version than I requested was imported
[21:01] <siretart> soren: regarding aalib, feel free to fix and upload, I can import it then to our packaging branch then
[21:11] <kees> moto-release: hi!  I have policycoreutils waiting for a push -- this fixes a bug pointed out by Tresys.  afaict, it is not seeded on any ISO, so it should be okay to push.
[21:26] <ScottK> kees: Bug fix only stuff that's unseeded is good for upload without approval
[21:27] <kees> ScottK: I've uploaded it -- I figured it just needed a manual push,.
[21:27] <ScottK> Lookimg
[21:27] <ScottK> looking even
[21:30] <ScottK> kees: Accepted
[21:33] <kees> ScottK: cool, thanks.  I'll have another one in a second (setools, bug 455719)
[21:33] <ScottK> OK.  Ping me and I'll accept it
[21:34] <kees> cool
[21:46] <micahg> ScottK: what can I do about phpmyadmin requiring a new package?
[21:47] <ScottK> micahg: Does the new version fix any critical bugs?
[21:47] <micahg> ScottK: someone already uploaded it in my name
[21:47] <micahg> it was for a security fix
[21:48] <micahg> but it was a newer version than I originally requested
[21:48] <micahg> so now the package is broken
[21:48] <ScottK> micahg: OK.  I guess do an FFe for the new package explaining it.
[21:48] <micahg> ok, do I use the request sync tool?
[21:49] <ari-tczew> ubuntu-universe-sponsors: please upload bug-fix package, bug #455744
[21:51] <ajmitch> from the look of the phpmyadmin changelog, the new package is one that phpmyadmin was bundling anyway
[21:53] <micahg> yeah, they had their own version of the library
[21:54] <ajmitch> I guess requestsync would work, just make sure you put in an explanation & subscribe motu-release
[21:58] <micahg> does requestsync send an e-mail?
[21:58] <micahg> nm
[21:59]  * micahg figured out how to read a man page :P
[22:10] <micahg> ScottK: do you need the bug #, or was subscribing motu-release enough?
[22:11] <ScottK> Subscribing motu-release is enough
[22:11] <micahg> ok, thanks ScottK
[22:17] <kees> ScottK: ping, setools ready for pushing.  thanks!
[22:19] <ScottK> kees: Done
[22:19] <kees> ScottK: cool
[23:00] <AlanBell> Hi all
[23:00] <AlanBell> I have added a fullscreen mode to gwibber
[23:00] <AlanBell> so that it can be used at conferences and suchlike on a projector
[23:01] <AlanBell> can someone point me at some documentation on how I can contribute this feature back?
[23:02] <jcastro> AlanBell: is the branch on launchpad?
[23:02] <jcastro> that would be very useful!
[23:03] <jcastro> (fullscreen I mean)


[03:20] <sjelly_> Problem: have failed to successfully load Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 10. Currently able to start the Bootloader, but when I run "adb devices" nothing is listed. If I change to Recovery Mode I then run "adb devices" and do get my device listed, but with my device listed and the text "recovery" alongside. How can I restore Android from this status?
[05:28] <sjelly_> Update: sorted now... though don't know how. Damn noobs.....
[05:59] <ubi> hii guys
[05:59] <ubi> how can i install ubuntu touch on my samsung galaxy w
[06:04] <ubi> any help?
[06:08] <bact> ubi: do you have a web browser?
[06:09] <bact> ubi: this page has a list of working ports, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> ubi: for now the new ubuntu touch works best on nexus 4 and 7
[07:40] <BHSPiMonkey> So is there any way to do something like X forwarding while sshed into an Ubuntu Device and run traditional GUI apps (LibreOffice, Inkscape, etc.)?
[07:41] <gcollura> good morning, is ther a
[07:42] <gcollura> is there a key in dconf to set the screen always on?
[10:21] <Tvildo>  hey, can anyone gave me a link to developer version of ubuntu for android ? not for ubuntu touch !
[12:57] <rpadovani> hey all :-) Quickly question: there is already a basic support for NFC?
[13:36] <frecel> rpadovani: corrently the only officially supported phone is nexus4 which doesn't support NFC so there is no officiall NFC support
[13:38] <Tassadar> whoa, n4 has nfc
[13:44] <frecel> Tassadar: does it?
[13:44] <Tassadar> yeah
[13:45] <Tassadar> I think every nexus since galaxy has it
[13:45] <Tassadar> maybe even nexus S
[13:45] <Tassadar> (and I checked the interwebs, n4 has nfc)
[13:47] <frecel> I didn't know that, I would search launchpad looking for nfc for touch then
[13:48] <Tassadar> I don't think ubuntu touch supports it yet though
[14:28] <ownedant> I need help installing the Ubuntu on my phone
[14:29] <bact> what phone?
[14:34] <ownedant> I need help in Motorola Razr XT10
[14:34] <ownedant> XT910
[14:35] <ownedant> its quite a old phone
[14:35] <ownedant> but I just use it for testings
[14:35] <bact> is it on the ports list?
[14:35] <ownedant> Yes
[14:35] <ownedant> but it's not working on 4.1.2 kernel
[14:35] <ownedant> apparently working on 4.0.4 kernel
[14:36] <ownedant> soo um?
[15:52] <youngahn> hi everyone... is there an image (or unofficial image) for Samsung SII Advanced (i9070) ?
[16:29] <Thorondor> Hi, What should I do to be able to run an app from terminal on Touch?
[16:31] <beuno> Thorondor, I don't think you can run other apps from the terminal app, due to confinment
[16:31] <beuno> by default, at least
[16:31] <Thorondor> mmm
[16:32] <Thorondor> So that's because terminal-app is not allowed to run this new kind of apps?
[16:38] <Thorondor> Is there a milestone to have Touch behave normally with respect to user accounts? As of today it has a hardcoded phablet user.
[16:40] <Thorondor> I can imagine something like the oem install mode of the desktop. When the final user can setup account details on the first run of the system
[16:54] <jon8th8n> , is it correct that I can ask u a question about ubuntu touch? If so: I now have V303 of Ubuntu touch on my nexus 4. The accespoint for my APN isnt working. I'm from belgium en using Mobistar. Almost everyone uses "mworld.be", but if I check the APN accespoint there is "web.pro.be" with is the bussines PAN of Mobistar. I already tried:http://askubuntu.com/questions/413438/no-mobile-data-on-nexus-4-ubuntu-touch.
[17:29] <Randy_O> anyone ge tthe error  ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host when trying to run an app from QT Creator onto a device?
[22:34] <buero> Hello, is the easiest way to have a ubuntu tablet just to flash a nexus 7 and install ubuntu touch?
[22:37] <buero> hello
[22:58] <bact> I dunno if that guy is coming back, but personally I found the easiest way was to just use multirom
[23:02] <Beldar> yep


[00:57] <Malsasa> Hello, how to set NO_CHROME_KDE_FILE_DIALOG=1 variable in Ubuntu? I have done export "NO_CHROME_KDE_FILE_DIALOG" in bash but after restarting 2 times, Chromium is still use Kdialog. I am using KDE 4.10.2.
[01:02] <wxl> wow was having a good old time in kubuntu and it's like x died and now ever since everything's runing super slow any time i switch windows. kwin is going off the hook. any ideas?
[01:05] <wxl> i should add it's cpu usage that's going nuts
[01:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so this was fun
[01:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> install 12.10, first boot fails, can not mount /, can not mount /boot, can not mount /tmp
[01:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> reboot, skip, skip, skip, login with standard user, ok /dev is hardly populated, no sda entires at all
[01:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> so, how do we edit /boot to fix what ever is wrong with the dang settings?
[02:41] <mugy> ...
[02:55] <yahyaa> would anyone know how to install archive manager in the konsole?
[03:10] <alesan> hi
[03:10] <alesan> I have a brand new laptop, I am just waiting for kubuntu to come out so I install it only once
[03:10] <alesan> when is the day?
[03:41] <DarthFrog> alesan: Kubuntu 12.10 is the current version.  It was released last October.
[03:42] <DarthFrog> !release | alesan
[03:43] <DarthFrog> Or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule  which will tell you that April 25th is the next day of supreme joy and dancing in the streets.
[03:44] <DarthFrog> However, it is easy to upgrade an installation of Kubuntu from one version to the next, in place and without re-installing.
[03:47] <alesan> mh
[03:47] <alesan> one more week
[04:17] <c2tarun> I shared a folder and it has many folder and files inside it. Some has read access to 'others' but many dont have. How can I give this access to all files and folders?
[05:25] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[06:18] <c2tarun> I am using KDE 4.10, does using too much animation or desktop effects will slow down or heat up my laptop?
[08:39] <totalanonym> hi guys i need your help .... im trying to connect from putty on my windows machine to ubuntu 12.04 on my notebook ... so i want to do it via IPV6 but everytime i try it says connection timed out:
[08:40] <totalanonym> command is like  ssh -6 username@IPv6Adress%eth0
[08:40] <totalanonym> what am i doing wrong ?
[08:40] <totalanonym> i have searched for a howto in the www but ive found nothing bout it so i hope u can help me :)
[08:41] <valorie> I think a sysadmin channel would be more suitable, but 2 questions: does your ISP support IPv6? and 2. does the IPv6 link work for sure?
[08:41] <valorie> there is an IPv6 test out there
[08:41] <valorie> !ipv6
[08:43] <totalanonym> okay ive tested it and it says IPv6 is not available -.-  does that mean that my ISP probably doesnt support it ?
[08:45] <tsimpson> what should really matter, for a LAN connection, is does your router support IPv6
[08:46] <tsimpson> many modern routers still don't support IPv6, especially if they are routers supplied by ISPs
[08:46] <totalanonym> yeah @ this moment i was thinking about exactly that .... well im sitting here at a friends house so i was not thinking about that
[08:46] <totalanonym> ill check it , hang on
[08:47] <totalanonym> tsimpson :  yep ure totally right about that, this stupid router does not support it @ all ... ok problem is solved
[08:47] <totalanonym> thank u very much guys
[08:47] <totalanonym> have a nice day
[08:48] <tsimpson> you too :)
[11:16] <ronalds> happy 420 kubuntu people
[11:17] <smartboyhw> ronalds, :)
[11:17] <ronalds> 12.04 goes well on my classmates desktop, and maybe when I will buy outter hd, I will reinstall to newest kubuntu
[11:18] <kitzune> I'm actually quite excited for raring.
[11:18] <kitzune> Running a daily build, for now.
[11:19] <smartboyhw> kitzune, you don't necessaraily need to reinstall when 13.04 is officially released
[11:19] <Kalidarn> yeah im using the latest 13.04 daily
[11:19] <Kalidarn> its frozen so it wont be much different to 13.04 final
[11:19] <kitzune> Oh? I didn't know that.
[11:19] <Kalidarn> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade == exactly the same release as final 13.04 media
[11:20] <Kalidarn> yeah 13.04 is due out like next week final
[11:20] <Kalidarn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[11:20] <kitzune> Yeah, 5 days.
[11:20] <Kalidarn> so yeah installing quantal at this point would be a bit pointless
[11:21] <Kalidarn> and for UEFI systems you're probably going to have more luck with 13.04 :D
[11:21] <Kalidarn> kubuntu 13.04 has secureboot apparently.
[11:21] <kitzune> That's the one I'm using now.
[11:21] <ronalds> uefi is shit
[11:22] <kitzune> Not UEFI but secureboot
[11:22] <ronalds> both as well
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Agree
[11:22] <kitzune> Why is that?
[11:22] <Kalidarn> why is it "shit" lol.
[11:23] <ronalds> cause it's already chip in your head american
[11:23] <ronalds> oh well
[11:23] <Kalidarn> do you even know what secure boot does?
[11:24] <ronalds> any ubuntu cd you put in that box will be spit out, with no result,,
[11:24] <ronalds> atleast that what happened with win 8 preloaded laptop
[11:24] <Kalidarn> yeah you need to go into the BIOS configuration
[11:24] <Kalidarn> disable secureboot, then install OS
[11:24] <Kalidarn> then i believe you enable it and install shim
[11:24] <ronalds> but then hard drive fails
[11:24] <ronalds> to load
[11:25] <ronalds> and thats how fucked up those are
[11:25] <Kalidarn> it shouldn't on an x86 system
[11:25] <ronalds> it does really
[11:25] <Tm_T> ronalds: language please
[11:25] <Kalidarn> although the only problem with UEFI and secure bot is crappy implementations of it
[11:25] <Kalidarn> so if you've got a decent motherboard you shouldn't have any issues
[11:25] <Kalidarn> and unfortunately the exact instruction varies between manufacturer
[11:26] <Kalidarn> i haven't yet figured out how to instal ubuntu's KEK
[11:26] <ronalds> it's  i7 win8 laptop, and that what happens when you use some releases of ubuntu, they just don't boot, 12.04.2 , kde also.. probably they integrated win8 as only OS you can put on it
[11:27] <Kalidarn> yeah i wouldn't use 12.04.2
[11:27] <Kalidarn> its probably too old for your hardware if you have a newish laptop
[11:27] <Kalidarn> unless your machine is ages old using the latest is best.
[11:27] <ronalds> but software on 12.10 still isn't as stable
[11:27] <Kalidarn> it is.
[11:28] <Kalidarn> and infact a lot of the time newer releases have things fixed
[11:28] <ronalds> openoffice?
[11:28] <ronalds> kile? matlab?
[11:28] <Kalidarn> what's wrong with those?
[11:28] <Kalidarn> i use all 3 on quantal, and now on raring.
[11:28] <Kalidarn> raring now has libreoffice 4.0
[11:28] <Kalidarn> or you can use the libreoffice ppa and install 4.0.2 or whatever it is on any of the versions of buntu
[11:29] <Kalidarn> matlab also works on all those releases.
[11:29] <ronalds> and that's whats wrong with it, you cannot take of links of a lot of text by not choosing by one
[11:29] <ronalds> atleast that was any 12.10 release I tried openoffice on
[11:29] <Kalidarn> what is that supposed to mean?
[11:29] <ronalds> buggs
[11:30] <Kalidarn> you haven't mentioned any specific bugs
[11:30] <Kalidarn> and if you refuse to update your software you can't bitch it has problems
[11:30] <ronalds> LTS is always more stable on any buntu release
[11:30] <Kalidarn> you know developers do actually spend time fixing these things
[11:30] <Kalidarn> ronalds: not always
[11:30] <Kalidarn> not if your hardware came out after the LTS release
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:25] <MySystem> hello if i make in dolphin a smb share where is this share and settings stored (searched in /etc/samba/smb.conf and /usr/share/samba/smb.conf but didnt find my shares)
[12:36] <reddy> how do I open babe.porn file?
[12:37] <smartboyhw> reddy, !?
[12:37]  * smartboyhw has never heard of such an horrible file extension.
[12:37] <Artakha> heh
[12:37] <smartboyhw> heh
[12:38] <Kalidarn> well there is http://filext.com/file-extension/GAY
[12:38] <Tm_T> kids, please stick in the channel topic
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, .... But this is even more terrible.
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, we know:P
[12:38] <smartboyhw> reddy, sorry we seriously don't know the answer.
[12:38] <Kalidarn> smartboyhw: i know, i didn't expect to find anything but i found it when googling for .porn
[12:38] <smartboyhw> OK
[12:39] <Tm_T> this isn't channel where you spout things "just for giggles" (;
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, not our fault.
[12:40] <Tm_T> not pointing fingers, just reminding (:
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, :)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hey again
[13:01] <MySystem> hi blueskaj
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hi MySystem
[13:01] <MySystem> second post: if i make in dolphin a smb share where is this share and settings stored (searched in /etc/samba/smb.conf and /usr/share/samba/smb.conf but didnt find my shares)
[13:04] <MySystem> sadly google outputs very much stuff how to create shares but not where the settings for the shares made by gui are saved to
[13:06] <dav> hi i need help for 1
[13:06] <Guest64582> hi i need help about 13.04 beta
[13:06] <BluesKaj> smb shares should be in dolphin if you used the "add network folder " option , MySystem
[13:06] <BluesKaj> dolphin network that is
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Guest64582, ask in #ubuntu+1
[13:09] <MySystem> ok i think my discription was bad i search the kubuntu smb.conf file where all the shares are listet with the options for each share like path= comment= browseable= and so
[13:11] <MySystem> which is sadly not  /etc/samba/smb.conf it is set like default without my manual shares
[13:12] <MySystem> for information kubuntu 12.10
[13:15] <reddy> sorry, that was a pun
[13:26] <BluesKaj> MySystem, sorry i don't understand what you're trying to do with the smb shares , can you see the shares you creted in dolphin places ?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> created
[13:39] <moore_> !logs
[13:40] <MySystem> yes the shares works fine and in gui i can manage all my shares but i want to test and learn with the results from gui how they look like in conf file
[13:56] <BluesKaj> MySystem, ok , that's not something I fool around with
[13:57] <MySystem> ok thx elseway blueskaj i try reading more and learn it that way
[14:05] <ggfef> hi, does anyone know how to get the old kde desktop
[14:05] <ggfef> not the new plasma one
[14:06] <smartboyhw> ggfef, why do you not want the old one?
[14:06] <ggfef> smartboyhw, I WANT the old one
[14:06] <smartboyhw> ggfef, :(
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Um download it from download.kde.org?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> There's still the 3.5.10
[14:07] <ggfef> smartboyhw, Yes, but I want the ols desktop look, but with the latest version of it
[14:07] <ggfef> smartboyhw, 4.2
[14:07] <smartboyhw> ggfef, 4.2 alright
[14:10] <smartboyhw> ggfef, one method: You can install the 9.04 ISO in http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/jaunty/ That includes 4.2
[14:10] <smartboyhw> But I don't recommend you to install
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Since it is unsupported anymore,
[14:10] <ggfef> smartboyhw, will all the screen widgets that I have work with 4.2
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ggfef, look at above ^
[14:12] <ggfef> But it's outdated
[14:12] <smartboyhw> ggfef, come on.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> The 4.2 itself is EOLed.
[14:13] <ggfef> Can't I get the 4.2 theme on 4.11
[14:13] <smartboyhw> ggfef, I don't think so.
[14:14] <Tm_T> why you're talking about 4.2 if plasma is not wanted? (:
[14:15] <ggfef> 4.2 has plasma!?
[14:15] <Tm_T> there's KDE3-continuation as trinity desktop, see http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
[14:15] <Tm_T> ggfef: yes
[14:15] <Tm_T> ggfef: KDE 4 is all plasma
[14:15]  * smartboyhw seriously doesn't think that plasma is REALLY that bad
[14:15] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: it isn't (:
[14:16] <ggfef> Oh, then how do I get the old theme, like in this picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/KDE_4-1_desktop.png/300px-KDE_4-1_desktop.png
[14:19] <hggdh> any known issues with KDE and X? Mine is locking up on display, but I can still SSH in. Logs show errors on nouveau
[14:19] <hggdh> This is, I forgot to state, on 13.04 current
[14:21] <santiago> in my case often the screen turns black, and you only get to see where a window redraws, easily fixed moving the mouse to the top left corner to force a fullscreen redraw
[14:22] <santiago> still, it's quite annoying
[14:24] <ggfef> hi?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ggfef, hello?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> !patience | ggfef
[14:33] <Tm_T> hggdh: I recommend asking in #ubuntu+1
[14:33] <Tm_T> ggfef: you want that black plasma theme?
[14:34] <ggfef> Tm_T: Yes
[14:34] <hggdh> Tm_T: yeah, just went there
[14:39] <Tm_T> ggfef: that's desktop theme called "oxygen"
[14:40] <Tm_T> ggfef: is in the package called "kde-runtime-data"
[14:42] <ggfef> Tm_T: I tried the oxygen theme
[14:43] <Tm_T> and?
[14:43] <ggfef> Tm_T: It's the same, but the color's different
[14:43] <Tm_T> what colour is different?
[14:44] <ggfef> Tm_T: Instead of the white taskbar, the taskbar is black, but the shape is the same
[14:45] <Tm_T> ggfef: I'm not following, could you describe what you want and what is missing more?
[14:47] <ggfef> Tm_T: In the picture I gave you, the taskbar is bigger, it doesn't have that 'powdery' texture
[14:47] <ggfef> Tm_T: the 'open windows' tiles look different
[14:47] <Tm_T> taskbar, or more precisely, panel size is adjustable and doesn't come with the theme
[14:49] <ggfef> Tm_T: It looks different
[14:49] <Tm_T> hmm, yes, it has evolved a bit
[14:50] <ggfef> Tm_T: The thing I don't like the most is the "powdery" texture
[14:50] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:51] <Tm_T> ggfef: hmm, don't know about that, sorry
[14:51] <Tm_T> I keep my own desktop rather simple and flat (and I don't have panels visible anyway)
[14:52] <ggfef> Tm_T: Ohh, I just found it. The pannel is semi-transparent. Only the desktop background was powdery
[14:53] <Tm_T> aw
[14:53] <Tm_T> ggfef: good, so you found what you wanted then?
[14:53] <ggfef> a bit
[14:53] <ggfef> it still looks different, but it's ok
[15:16] <Matteo99> Hello =) i nave a big problem.... I have to install Kubuntu 12.04 LTS with my DVD but it requires a pae cpu....!? But 12.04 is non-pae.... What i do? Please help me... Thanks a lot
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, it is PAEed.....
[15:18] <smartboyhw> What do you mean?
[15:19] <smartboyhw> !pae | Matteo99
[15:19] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:20] <Matteo99> smartboyhw, nope, i nel
[15:20] <Matteo99> I need to install
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, sure
[15:20] <smartboyhw> So?
[15:20] <Matteo99> Kubuntu 12.04 on a non-pae pc
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, it is OK
[15:21] <smartboyhw> Only 12.10 isn't.
[15:23] <Matteo99> And then what i do for install Kubuntu 12.04 with a non-pae pc, smartboyhw ?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, download the ISO, burn it to a disc or USB, and boot it to install!
[15:25] <Matteo99> Yes, but i have those DVD but i doesn't install because it needs a pae cpu...
[15:25] <Matteo99> Stupid iPad
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, 12.04 DOESN'T need -pae.
[15:26] <smartboyhw> As I said, only 12.10 or above does.
[15:27] <Matteo99> wait... A second....
[15:27] <OerHeks> smartboyhw, 12.04 iis also with PAE, Matteo99, one way to avoid PAE, is installing Lubuntu (withoutPAE)  and put kubuntu-desktop on it after that.
[15:28] <Matteo99> Oh, ok
[15:28] <OerHeks> or an other way is this special ubuntu iso > http://people.canonical.com/~diwic/12.04-nonpae/
[15:29] <smartboyhw> OerHeks, er?
[15:29]  * smartboyhw just replied a PAE message some hours ago about this and it worked.
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise)
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Both the CD and DVD installer of Ubuntu automatically installs the PAE enabled kernel if it detects more than 3 Gb of available memory. In the case of the liveCD, a working network connection is required, since the PAE enabled kernel packages are not present on the CD.
[15:30] <smartboyhw> OerHeks, are you sure?
[15:30] <OerHeks> odd, i had the same issue with pentiumM, 12.04 iso won't boot ...
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, wait are you having an i386 ISO or an amd64 ISO?
[15:31] <OerHeks> PAE is i386 only
[15:33] <Matteo99> I HAVE A KUBUNTU 12.04 i386 DVD
[15:34] <Matteo99> I need to install lubuntu for have KDE
[15:34] <Matteo99> ?
[15:34] <Walex> Matteo99: Kubuntu DVD will have nearly the full KDE on it
[15:35] <smartboyhw> The problem is that he seems can't install the DVD since he doesn't have PAE while the disc should have
[15:35] <Matteo99> YES FUUUUUUUUU
[15:37] <Matteo99> What i do for boot the DVD with non-pae?
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Damn that page is weird
[15:37] <smartboyhw> !pae
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, how much RAM do you have on your computer?
[15:39] <Matteo99> Aaaaaaaarrrrgghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED TO DISABLE PAE ON MY DVD WHEN BOOTING
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, calm down a bit
[15:39] <Matteo99> Ahahahah XD
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, ?
[15:40] <Matteo99> I repeat all with more calm
[15:40] <Matteo99> Ok?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, how much RAM do you have?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> I understand your question.
[15:40] <Matteo99> 1.5 gb
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Please, stay calm.
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Mathnerd626, eh.....
[15:43] <Matteo99> After this, i need to install Windows?
[15:43] <Matteo99> Ahahahahahahaha
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, grrr.
[15:44] <smartboyhw> !patience | MadAGu
[15:44] <smartboyhw> oOps
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Matteo99: ^
[15:44]  * smartboyhw hates tab errors
[15:47] <Matteo99> Are you ok? We're going to become crazy...
[15:48] <Matteo99> Well, this problem's going to become irresolvable
[15:50] <Matteo99> smartboyhw, Ooookkkkkk...... I install OpenSUSE?
[15:51] <smartboyhw> Matteo99, be patient please....
[15:52] <Matteo99> smartboyhw, ok
[15:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, can you help a bit?^
[15:55] <shadeslayer> hi
[15:55] <shadeslayer> could you describe the problem in one line? I don't have the time to go through the logs at the moment
[15:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, he can't install 12.04 DVD in a non-pae processor
[15:56] <shadeslayer> hum
[15:56] <Matteo99> Yes
[15:56] <smartboyhw> But aren't DVDs with the non-pae kernels?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> I think everything is non-pae now
[15:56] <shadeslayer> and there a special builds for pae
[15:56] <shadeslayer> not sure, looking it up in my email logs
[15:57] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you mean everything is pae and special builds for non-pae?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> no, everything is pae and special builds for non-pae
[15:57] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:57] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: you're right
[15:57] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
[15:57] <Matteo99> Ahahahaha
[15:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that's Q
[15:58] <smartboyhw> Not P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> a whole article on booting non-pae systems http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-1210-on-non-pae.html
[15:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, it's 12.04 (DVD)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[15:58] <smartboyhw> Not 12.10...
[15:58] <shadeslayer> then non-pae should work
[15:58] <shadeslayer> not sure why it wouldn't work on 12.04
[15:59] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I think i got the reason:
[15:59] <smartboyhw> That help I posted is lying
[15:59] <Matteo99> If i install Fedora with KDE?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> The Kubuntu (and indeed Ubuntu) images only comes with -pae
[16:00]  * smartboyhw should find the maintainer of that page to discuss.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Matteo99: The attitude isn't helping
[16:01] <OerHeks> So Lubuntu or that special ubuntu non-pae image is the only way to install and add  kubuntu-desktop
[16:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I agree
[16:01]  * smartboyhw really needs to question why the ubuntu-devs have done something they aren't supposed to do
[16:01] <shadeslayer> I have no idea how PAE is setup on 12.04, you'll have to ask in #ubuntu-kernel I'm afraid
[16:02] <shadeslayer> though from what I'm reading non-pae systems should just work
[16:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, me too
[16:02] <Matteo99> Hmmmmmmmm
[16:02] <shadeslayer> but seriously, I'm the wrong person to talk to about this :)
[16:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, the problem is that the images come default with -pae.
[16:02] <smartboyhw> which they shouldn't
[16:02] <Matteo99> Yes
[16:03] <shadeslayer> uh, I think the wiki says that the installer detects if the RAM > 3 GB and then installs a PAE kernel
[16:03] <shadeslayer> it's not used at boot time
[16:03] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[16:04] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, which is weird. He has only 1.5
[16:05] <OerHeks> The CPU needs to be PAE capable, nothing to do with the size of memory, iirc
[16:06] <smartboyhw> OerHeks, the problem is that it shouldn't need to, IIRC.
[16:19] <doyle> Hey. I'm using a wireless logitech kbrd, and the arrow keys insert letters in vi. Can I get a hand with this?
[16:22] <doyle> seriously? vim-tiny?
[16:23] <doyle> everyone involved needs to be forced to use windows vista for a week.
[16:24] <smartboyhw> doyle: Why?
[16:25]  * smartboyhw used Windows Vista before and it's essentially more crap than Windows 8.
[16:31] <doyle> smartboyhw: vim-tiny presents the kind of frustration that shouldn't exist in linux, especailly when the full version is tiny to begin with.
[16:31] <doyle> There are many pages of forums filled up with people looking to overcome the obsticles presented when attempting to use VI in ubuntu, and finally finding that they're using vim-tiny instead.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> doyle, what about regular vim ?
[16:35]  * smartboyhw only uses nano and gedit
[16:36] <doyle> I've never tried nano, but I see a lot of people using it. There's a new kid at work who uses it. I just need to make the effort.
[16:37] <doyle> I'm used to vi, and it's on every sever grade linux distro by default
[16:42] <BluesKaj> nano has always worked here , doyle , but my use is usually for simple text /bash files
[16:51] <alainus> Can I reconfigure my keyboard but see a map of the layouts for each model so I can choose the correct one?
[18:07] <blank_> i'm a little new. this system was setup with the system being encrypted. is there a way to change that password for booting kubuntu?
[18:10] <Obsidian1723> the grub password or what exactly do you mean?
[18:12] <blank_> um you can encrypt the system, the user accounts , or both. the system is encrypted. that password needs to be changed before selling this old desktop. (getting a laptop dedicated to kubuntu)
[18:12] <blank_> how do i change it?
[18:13] <blank_> the firmware is not password protected.
[18:15] <blank_> the secure-delete package has been installed and existing user accounts srm'ed. this account (blank) has administration ability and was added to replace the original account which also has been srm'ed
[18:15] <blank_> owner does not want computer sold with any of owner's passwords on it
[18:16] <blank_> it's either change them or wipe and reinstall
[18:16] <blank_> i was hoping i could just change them (to save time)
[18:24] <basso> how can i play a movie from a network share in vlc?
[18:25] <DarthFrog> If said share is mounted in your file system, play it as you would any file.
[18:27] <basso> so i have to mount the remote share with like.. sshfs?
[18:28] <DarthFrog> However you mount it, it needs to be part of your file system.
[18:29] <basso> I persume gnome mounts it localy, and kde does some strange wizardy with kio?
[18:31] <DarthFrog> Nothing strange about KIO slave wizardry.  Rather convenient, actually.
[18:31] <basso> but it does stop me from watching videos remotly with vlc :)
[18:33] <DarthFrog> How so?   vlc also accepts various URLs for remote play.  "man vlc" for details.
[18:33] <wriksen> hi
[18:34] <DarthFrog> basso: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5725266/
[18:35] <Kalidarn> to boot grub menu you hold down shift don't you
[18:50] <ed34546> hi, somebody please help me, I have intel centrino wireless n 130 BGN its advertised wifi + bluetooth adapter, now wifi but bluetooth doesnt not even get detected in the system? what  to do?
[18:50] <ed34546> wifi works but bt doesnt
[18:51] <Nano> Hello
[18:52] <Nano> How I can turn my computer into a multiseat with kubuntu?
[19:04] <away> Nano, dualboot?
[19:04] <away> oh, nvm
[19:20] <Nano> Hello
[19:20] <Nano> How I can turn my Kubuntu into a multiseat?
[19:21] <DarthFrog> What do you mean by multiseat?
[19:22] <Nano> DarthFrog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration
[19:24] <DarthFrog> Hmm, never done that.  But one of the monitors is showing Debian.
[19:28] <DarthFrog> Nano: http://www.linuxtoys.org/multiubuntu/multiubuntu.html
[19:29] <Nano> I found this too but It's too old, It uses xorg
[19:29] <DarthFrog> So will you.
[20:41] <Nano> DarthFrog: I don't know why the GNU/Linux world work to improve multiseats..
[20:46] <Chet> anyone know when the RC is going to be released?
[21:42] <okmanek> halo halo
[22:12] <kitzune> Anyone know how to get files to show up in a mounted folder for an ISO file?
[22:51] <smsm> hi all
[22:51] <smsm> i have prob in    ark
[22:52] <smsm> it can't extract the files
[22:53] <smsm> and the skype  don't install


[00:10] <cjwatson> evand: could you commit the final ubiquity 1.8.12 to the hardy-proposed branch when you have a chance, please?
[00:11] <cjwatson> evand: I just noticed that pt_BR.po is busted in 1.8.12; look at the very first string :-(
[04:05] <evand> cjwatson: yikes, sorry about that.  Done.
[09:52] <xivulon> TheMuso, would it be possible to have an SRU about the panic messages?
[10:05] <CIA-1> debian-installer: cjwatson * r944 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.26-3 kernels.
[10:08] <CIA-1> debian-installer: cjwatson * r945 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu6
[10:25] <TheMuso> xivulon: Yes, but I have yet to work out a sane way of doing it.
[10:25] <TheMuso> xivulon: I'll give it some more thought when I'm back on Monday morning.
[10:40] <xivulon> TheMuso, thanks a bunch, that would help a lot!
[22:43] <CIA-1> installation-guide: cjwatson * r428 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/chroot-install.xml):
[22:43] <CIA-1> installation-guide: Don't recommend passing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu to debootstrap;
[22:43] <CIA-1> installation-guide: it can figure out a good default for itself, and that URL is wrong for
[22:43] <CIA-1> installation-guide: ports architectures (see
[22:43] <CIA-1> installation-guide: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+question/38180).


[04:09] <mequarks_> anyone: does freenode host a proper channel for ubuntu core ("snappy")?
[09:18] <greg_> Howdy
[09:20] <greg_> I see a lot of oopses when disconnecting my webcam with 16.04. Where can i report this and how ?
[09:42] <apw> greg_, as that is likely kernel related i would start by reporting a bug against the ubuntu kernel after the oopses have occured (run ubuntu-bug linux)
[15:03] <horms> I'm wondering if this is an appropriate place to ask about linux-stable patches being included in Ubuntu Kernels. In particular the 3.13.0 kernel for Trusty
[15:04] <apw> horms, ask away
[15:06] <horms> I have some PCI quirks and IDs added by patches which are in mainline since v4.5. I recently asked for them to be backported to linux-stable as far back as v3.10. Most of the relveant linux-stable maintainers have done so. I am now wondering if/how they might migrate into 3.13.0 for Trusty as this turns out to be a particuarly important kernel for the hardware in question.
[15:07] <rtg> horms, send a request for inclusion to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:07] <horms> ok, can do. thanks
[15:07] <apw> though i assume as we still seem to be pulling in stables for trusty that it would end up there at some point
[15:08] <horms> right, that was my assumption. sooner would certainly be better than later for us.
[15:08] <rtg> I can never remember what are the actively maintained stable kernel versions
[15:08] <apw> if we are going to expedite them before a stable is pulled we will need a bug against the kernel anyhow
[15:09] <apw> with the details in
[15:09] <horms> ok, i can file a bug if that is needed
[15:10] <horms> 3.13 is not maintained by mainline. 3.14 is eol. 3.12 and 3.16 are the closest releases to 3.13 that are maintained by mainline
[15:10] <rtg> horms, if the patch is already staged for stable, then directly requesting it likely won't get it published any sooner.
[15:11] <horms> ok
[15:11] <horms> that is fine
[15:11] <horms> i'm wondering if there is some way to predict when it might be pulled in from stable
[15:11] <rtg> horms, however, if 3.13 isn't maintained, then direct requests are the only way to get a patch included
[15:11] <horms> oh, ok
[15:11] <horms> that is clear enough
[15:11] <apw> isn't that the one debian is now maintaining ?
[15:12] <horms> I'm not clear on who is maintaining which mainline kernels
[15:12] <horms> (though i should probably make a list :)
[15:15] <rtg> horms, kernel.org has a list of stable and longterm kernel versions
[15:15] <horms> Yes, I am looking at it now. I just meant I wasn't sure who was maintaining each item on that list.
[15:16] <rtg> horms, all stable releases come through git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
[15:17] <horms> Right. What I meant was that I believe different individuals are responsible for different branches of that tree. Greg KH does some. Jiri Slaby does or at one stage did another. I guess its not particularly important to this discussion.
[15:22] <horms> Thanks for answering my questions. I'll go ahead and arange a bug report and email request.
[18:38] <bdmurray> rtg: bug 1620525 seems to be about yakkety but you mentioned a xenial kernel version?
[18:41] <rtg> bdmurray, they are the same kernel, to date Xenial kernels are simply pocket copied to Yakkety. We have not migrated to 4.8 just yet.
[18:47] <bdmurray> rtg: okay, got it
[20:19] <elmo> hey - on a brand new laptop I'm getting MCE events due to the CPU getting too hot - this may be a dumb question - but is that in any way expected?
[20:19] <elmo> (it's a lenovo T460s, if it matters - running Ununtu 16.04)
[20:20] <elmo> Ununtu?  Also, Ubuntu
[20:21] <stgraber> elmo: I'd very strongly recommend you run a kernel that's a bit more recent than 4.4 on a Skylake system
[20:22] <stgraber> elmo: I'm on the 4.6 kernel that briefly went into yakkety-proposed on mine and it's allowing the package to go into much deeper sleep states than the 4.4 kernel did
[20:22] <elmo> uh
[20:22] <elmo> OK
[20:23] <elmo> is there a 4.6 I can install on 16.04 easily?
[20:23] <elmo> also, not being funny, but if it's that bad, shouldn't we be fixing it for everyone?  (I appreciate that may not easy)
[20:23] <stgraber> elmo: you may also want to update your firmware as they fixed a bunch of power management issues in there recently-ish
[20:23] <elmo> stgraber: does that require Windows?
[20:23] <stgraber> elmo: nope
[20:24] <elmo> OK - I'll look into that, thanks
[20:24] <rtg> elmo, you could also try lts-yakkety 4.8.0-8.9 in ppa:canonical-kernel-team/unstable
[20:24] <stgraber> elmo: grab the .iso from lenovo, run geteltorito against it, run losetup -a on the output, mount /dev/mapper/looopXYZ somewhere, and copy the content to a USB stick, then reboot and boot frrom it
[20:25] <stgraber> in my case I don't even bother with the USB stick and just copy the FLASH directory and the .EFI to /boot/efi and add a temporary boot entry with (efibootmgr), but that's because messing with EFI is easier for me than finding a usb stick :)
[20:25] <elmo> stgraber: thanks, that's super helpful and will avoid a lot of flailing
[20:26] <elmo> rtg: will do
[20:26] <stgraber> elmo: what MCE message do you see in dmesg? just going to grep on mine to see if I'm seeing anything like it
[20:26] <stgraber> rtg: I actually just grabbed that one and was going to give it a try, see what powertop thinks of it :)
[20:27] <elmo> stgraber: https://pastebin.canonical.com/165584/
[20:27] <elmo> err, right, sorry this is a public channel
[20:27] <rtg> stgraber, its getting close to what we're gonna release. I'm just awaiting some apparmor bits from jjohansen
[20:27] <elmo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23179449/
[20:27] <rtg> we're still a couple of weeks from getting it into proposed
[20:29] <stgraber> elmo: hmm, so I'm still seeing this on the 4.6 kernel, though I've got events = 1 instead of events = 210, not sure that qualifies as much better though :)
[20:31] <stgraber> elmo: would also be interesting to know what's actually happening to the CPU, whether it was in non-turbo and got slammed or whether it was actually running at turbo speed and was just forced out of it because of heat
[20:33] <elmo> stgraber: hmm, I'd have to be watching htop/powertop at the time it fires to tell right?
[20:36] <stgraber> elmo: yeah, cking may have some magic script to log frequency changes in his crazy testsuites though. Otherwise, you'd need to watch cpuinfo or something to see what frequency it's running at...