[02:59] <cjwatson> mwhudson: What is the openssh behaviour change here?
[03:00] <mwhudson> cjwatson: previously openssh closed the connection on the presentation of an invalid terminal mode
[03:01] <mwhudson> with a log like thisL
[03:01] <mwhudson> 		debug1: session_pty_req: session 0 alloc /dev/pts/3
[03:01] <mwhudson> 		debug1: Ignoring unsupported tty mode opcode 255 (0xff)
[03:01] <mwhudson> 		parse_tty_modes: unknown opcode 255
[03:01] <mwhudson> 		parse_tty_modes: n_bytes_ptr != n_bytes: 1 1
[03:01] <mwhudson> 		Packet integrity error (5 bytes remaining) at ../../session.c:1899
[03:01] <mwhudson> 		Disconnecting user mwhudson UNKNOWN port 65535: Packet integrity error.
[03:02] <mwhudson> now the log looks like
[03:02] <mwhudson>         debug1: Ignoring unsupported tty mode opcode 255 (0xff)
[03:02] <mwhudson>         ssh_tty_parse_modes: unknown opcode 255
[03:02] <mwhudson>         ssh_tty_parse_modes: 5 bytes left
[03:02] <mwhudson> and the connection proceeds
[03:10] <cjwatson> mwhudson: Could be a consequence of the translation of ssh_tty_parse_modes to the sshbuf API
[03:10] <cjwatson> mwhudson: Not certain whether upstream would be interested, but it might be worth reporting it there if you can come up with a more upstream-friendly test case
[03:10] <mwhudson> cjwatson: yes, those were the sort of words i saw rummaging around in openssh-portable git
[03:11] <cjwatson> I think you're right that it's likely unintended
[03:11] <mwhudson> cjwatson: otoh it looks like the intended behaviour was always to ignore invalid modes
[03:11] <mwhudson> judging by the older log message
[03:11] <mwhudson> cjwatson: where do bugs get reported?
[03:12] <cjwatson> Ignore yes, but in the case of 160-255 sshd doesn't know how long the message is supposed to be
[03:12] <cjwatson> bugzilla.mindrot.org
[03:13] <mwhudson> should i be amused or not that openssh bugzilla does not redirect to https?
[03:13] <cjwatson> The current comment does still say "Opcodes 160 to 255 are undefined and cause parsing to stop"
[03:13] <mwhudson> ah ok
[03:13] <mwhudson> does sound like a bug then
[03:14] <cjwatson> I doubt I ever noticed that since I've had HTTPS Everywhere installed forever :)
[03:14] <mwhudson> yeah i should probably do that too
[03:14] <mwhudson> cjwatson: are you up very early, very late, or not at home?
[03:15] <cjwatson> I'd say it's not precisely a bug, but it would make more sense for the undefined opcode to return an error
[03:15] <cjwatson> Up in the middle of the night waiting for painkillers+antibiotics to kick in so I can go back to sleep
[03:16] <valorie> get well soon, cjwatson
[03:17] <cjwatson> Thanks.  I know what the problem is now so it's just frustrating waiting for treatment to be effective
[03:18] <mwhudson> cjwatson: i hope you manage to sleep soon then!
[03:41] <mwhudson> cjwatson: https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3061
[03:42] <cjwatson> thanks, LGTM
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> bugs
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> ops
[08:43] <mwhudson> marcoagpinto: we have lots of bugs, yes :)
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> sorry... wronte join text
[08:43] <marcoagpinto> I was trying to write: /j ubuntu-bugs
[08:43] <mwhudson> yes, just being silly
[08:44] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[08:44] <marcoagpinto> and I had "/j ubuntu-" on the clipboard
[08:44] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:44] <marcoagpinto> I forgot to paste it
[08:48]  * mwhudson glares at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/golang-fsnotify/eoan/arm64
[09:01] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, do you want to have a look also at golang-golang-x-tools ?
[09:01] <LocutusOfBorg> this might be the last blocker
[09:01] <LocutusOfBorg> with fsnotify
[09:01] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: yea i guess so
[09:01] <mwhudson> fsnotify will pass if we bounce on retry enough i'm sure but that's also stupid
[09:02] <mwhudson> golang-gopkg-square-go-jose.v2 is gone from testing
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> syncthing should be probably patched to fail less frequently
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> syncing syncthing
[09:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I asked to kick it out on release channel
[09:24] <seb128> juliank, hey, any idea why in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>we get
[09:24] <seb128> 'Broken uim-el:amd64 Depends on xemacs21-mule:amd64 < none | 21.4.24-8 @un uH >
[09:24] <seb128>   Considering xemacs21-mule:amd64 1 as a solution to uim-el:amd64 0
[09:24] <seb128>   Holding Back uim-el:amd64 rather than change xemacs21-mule:amd64'
[09:25] <juliank> that probably needs like half an hour of investigating
[09:25] <seb128> k
[09:27] <mwhudson> ooh fsnotify passed
[09:27] <LocutusOfBorg> LOVELY
[09:29] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: so yeah, just tools really
[09:29] <seb128> juliank, uim-el depends on         emacs24 | xemacs21-mule | xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn | emacsen
[09:29] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I see lots of emacs stuff has been no change rebuilt in Debian, because of new dh-elpa
[09:30] <seb128> emacs24 doesn't exist anymore
[09:30] <LocutusOfBorg> ok but the others exist?
[09:30] <seb128> but in a chroot I can install the -mule just fine
[09:30] <seb128> yes
[09:30] <seb128> dunno why apt prefers to hold on
[09:30] <seb128> I might just try to change emacs24 for "emacs" which exists and see if that helps
[09:35] <juliank> seb128: that certainly sounds like a bug in the packaging that it depends on emacs24 first
[09:35] <seb128> juliank, well, still alternative depends should work...
[09:36] <juliank> seb128: And they did
[09:36] <juliank> seb128: The reason it failed is that the sat-dep package was removed before that
[09:36] <seb128> so something else is probably buggy :/
[09:36] <juliank> seb128: Like, it did in the autopkgtest: WARNING: Test dependencies are unsatisfiable - calling apt install on test deps directly for further data about failing dependencies in test logs part
[09:37] <seb128>   Removing autopkgtest-satdep:amd64 rather than change uim-el:amd64
[09:39] <juliank> yeah
[09:39] <juliank> that happens earlier
[09:39] <juliank> than it tries to get more info by passing all package names directly to apt install
[09:39] <juliank> which succeeds
[09:42] <juliank> We're unfortunately missing debugging output from the mark phase
[09:42] <seb128> I tried to change the emacs24 to emacs, let's see if that helps
[09:43] <juliank> It should
[09:43] <mwhudson> hm i wonder if the golang-golang-x-tools tests are just ooming
[09:43] <seb128> bah, calligra fails to build in eoan and a rebuild is needed for the poppler transition
[09:45] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/+bug/1841910
[09:46] <seb128> RikMills, ^ is that something you could look at?
[09:47] <RikMills> seb128: yeah. will do
[09:49] <LocutusOfBorg> juliank, question: why this works: apt build-dep ./golang-golang-x-tools*.dsc
[09:49] <LocutusOfBorg> and this fails? apt build-dep golang-golang-x-tools*.dsc
[09:49] <LocutusOfBorg> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[09:50] <juliank> LocutusOfBorg: because it's hard to differentiate the latter from a real package name, while the former is not a valid package name
[09:50] <seb128> RikMills, thx
[09:50] <juliank> LocutusOfBorg: APT only accepts filenames starting with / or ./; everything else is not considered a filename
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> juliank, like if it ends with ".dsc" it is probably a filename? or if (access(file))?
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> I got the problem, I was thinking about a possible solution
[09:51] <juliank> that makes the behavior context-sensitive
[09:51] <juliank> like foo.dsc is a valid package name
[09:52] <juliank> Then we end up with the same problem we have now with regex and fnmatch
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, but if the file exists in that directory... meh
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> but I get the issue, thanks
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> there is always some hope to get an answer like "oh, this is a bug, lets fix it" :)
[09:53] <juliank> If the file exists in the directory means it will install the build-depends of package foo.dsc in another directory, and of your foo.dsc in its directory
[09:53] <juliank> which makes it suboptimal as you have to make sure you are in the right directory
[09:54] <juliank> I wonder if we can make autocompletions autocomplete foo.dsc to ./foo.dsc
[09:54] <juliank> What I want apt to do is say: "No such package found, but a file with that name. Prefix it with ./ if you did mean the file"
[09:55] <juliank> APT syntax post-20.04 will need 1 lookup character to decide argument type: ? => pattern, .|/ => filename, rest=>package name
[09:55] <juliank> oh, and I guess ^=>regex
[10:01] <RikMills> seb128: test building with upstream patch added
[10:08] <seb128> RikMills, woot, thx
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, how is poppler going? only calligra and gdcm left?
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I have some work to do, but I don't want to delay your transition with my stuff :)
[10:35] <RikMills> LocutusOfBorg: I'm test building fix for calligra
[10:41] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, yeah, I think so ... if you want to do gdcm please do, I got other things to handle and I'm on vac tonight :/
[10:42] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, with pleasure!
[10:43] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, thx!
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> RikMills, can you also rebuild kitinerary?
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> and kdepim-addons?
[10:59] <RikMills> I will try
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks! with your 4 packages we should be good to go
[11:03] <mwhudson> [  865.965695] oom-kill:constraint=CONSTRAINT_NONE,nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0,global_oom,task_memcg=/user.slice/user-998.slice/session-c2.scope,task=gcimporter.test,pid=8873,uid=998
[11:03] <mwhudson> [  865.965711] Out of memory: Killed process 8873 (gcimporter.test) total-vm:870044kB, anon-rss:779692kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB
[11:03] <mwhudson> that'd be a yes then
[11:05] <mwhudson> should probably patch that test to skip in -short mode
[11:05] <mwhudson> tomorrow!
[11:12] <RikMills> LocutusOfBorg: kdepim-addons doesn't need a rebuild. poppler build dep is obsolete. the feature went into kitinerary in fact!
[11:12] <RikMills> I'll drop the bd in git
[11:12] <seb128> kitinerary might need one then? ;)
[11:13] <RikMills> seb128: it does. just checking it builds with new poppler
[11:14] <RikMills> it does :)
[11:16] <seb128> good! :-)
[11:48] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, will you open a bug against debian/uim please?
[11:48] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like it migrated!
[11:48] <LocutusOfBorg> RikMills, and an upload without that dependency?
[11:49] <LocutusOfBorg> oh I see now, I checked the build log and I probably failed to parse the output
[11:49] <LocutusOfBorg> not needed, yes
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> RikMills, calligra is good
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> gogogo?
[11:55] <RikMills> LocutusOfBorg: just this second uploaded
[11:56] <LocutusOfBorg> 💖
[11:57] <LocutusOfBorg> now autopkgtests will take a while... queues are half full
[12:03] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, yes, I plan to, I wanted to see if it worked first
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, thanks, it worked btw :D
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> do you have any news about duplicity on ppc64el?
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> I prod the bug...
[13:08] <seb128> no, I don't think we can/should could on upstreamm to fix it
[13:09] <seb128> I opened a RT to get eoan chroots on the builders over a month ago but got ignored
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> :/ remove the binary?
[13:09] <seb128> it probably needs someone who has access to a debug env to debug
[13:09] <seb128> that's a big hammer
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> I didn't mention it before because I know how big the hammer is, but meh
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> did you try to lower the optimization level already, right?
[13:10] <seb128> smaller hammer would be to ignore the test failure in the ppc64el build
[13:10] <seb128> no
[13:10] <seb128> I didn't have much time to get back to that
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> if it works with -O2 on ppc64el I upload in the archive
[13:11] <seb128> it's in my backlog but was not a ff blocker so got ranked lower than other work
[13:11] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, thx
[13:11] <cjwatson> seb128: RT> have you escalated that with your manager?
[13:12] <cjwatson> it's #1033 in the BVG queue so is going nowhere unless you get it bumped
[13:12] <cjwatson> (also I'd suggest that saying "it's a low-priority request" in the ticket is not a recipe for getting immediate attention :) )
[13:12] <seb128> cjwatson, no, I was unsure if was important enough to go the escalation route
[13:13] <cjwatson> well, if it's blocking investigation ... although don't we have canonistack bos01 now?
[13:13] <seb128> we do, which is one of the reason I though it was not that important
[13:14] <seb128> it's probably just me holding to old habits
[13:14] <seb128> I need to have a look again how to access/use the canonistack instead
[13:14] <cjwatson> https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/IS/CanoniStack-BOS01
[13:14] <seb128> thx
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, how do you feel today?
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+build/17483477
[13:17] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: so-so; thanks for asking
[13:17] <LocutusOfBorg> if it works, I'll join the party of people telling to the person who decided to use -O3 on ppc64el that it was a BAD idea
[13:17] <cjwatson> antibiotics beginning to be useful
[13:17] <LocutusOfBorg> after some days...
[13:18] <LocutusOfBorg> have some rest, they will eventually do the trick :)
[13:18] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, I don't think comments like 'Hello, ping? this bug is preventing some transition from landing in ubuntu eoan...' are useful on upstream trackers...
[13:18] <seb128> they probably do care about Ubuntu, but they stated that they have no access about ppc64el nor any clue about it
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, but there was an unanswered question...
[13:19] <seb128> well, you can try, I doubt they are likely to do anything about it
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> ping is about "hey what do you need to trace it down"? do you have a way to show more logs?
[13:19] <seb128> out of responding 'we don't care about that arch, none of our users are on it'
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> when I had the src:firewalld issue, I got some debugging information from upstream that I was not aware of
[13:20] <seb128> ah, I forgot about that one
[13:20] <seb128> your comment didn't include much context on what the ping was about :)
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> it was just the message above, this is why I didn't add context
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway I hope -O2 does the trick
[13:30] <cjwatson> seb128: FWIW, after getting bos01 access generally set up and creating a temporary model, "juju deploy --constraints 'arch=ppc64el instance-type=m1.small' --series bionic cs:ubuntu" will deploy a machine you can "juju ssh" to once it's built and then you can play with that at will
[13:30] <cjwatson> (Maybe different instance-type depending on size requirements)
[13:34] <seb128> cjwatson, k, thx for the tips, I'm going to try in a bit
[13:34] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, build failed :-/
[13:35] <LocutusOfBorg> :(
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I did a test adding some print message to that test and uploaded in my ppa
[13:45] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, good luck!
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I wish you a better luck with real hw, but I just want to print the numbers that are causing that assert
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> just to understand the values
[13:46] <seb128> it just needs debugging I think, but I've been too busy with feature freeze and travelling to GUADEC and on holidays tonight
[13:48] <LocutusOfBorg> lower bound: 334464: actual st_size value: 841656 upper bound: 465536
[14:15] <GunnarHj> Hi jdstrand, can you please take a look at https://github.com/ibus/ibus/issues/2116 . I upstreamed the patch we've carried for a while, but issues due to it have been reported. Your input on that issue would be appreciated.
[16:02] <RikMills> seb128 LocutusOfBorg: poppler migrated
[16:02] <seb128> I saw, nice
[16:08] <LocutusOfBorg> yep, good job seb128 RikMills !
[16:10] <seb128> thx RikMills LocutusOfBorg!
[16:12] <LocutusOfBorg> enjoy your vac!
[16:30] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, thanks :-)
[16:34] <marcoceppi> I'm trying to amend some of the rpi images to work with our CM3+ images. I'd like to know how the base images are packed so I could potentially inject our changes in that process but I can't seem to find where. fginther How does CPC pack the rpi preinstalled images?
[16:53] <fginther> marcoceppi, the images are built by https://launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs. Of particular interest that might help are the helper functions under 'live-build/functions'
[16:54] <marcoceppi> fginther: is there any documentation on how the rpi steps are run? thanks for the pointer I'll take a look in a min
[16:57] <fginther> marcoceppi, no there isn't any documentation that I'm aware of
[17:02] <marcoceppi> fginther: mind if I ping you with questions? Or is there a better person wrt livecd-rootfs
[17:04] <fginther> marcoceppi, rpi isn't a build I'm particularly familiar with, so there are probably better experts around, but I don't mind trying to answer specific questions
[19:29] <sunweaver> Laney: hi! Do you think you could take a look at some fancy build result...
[19:29] <sunweaver> https://jenkins.arctica-project.org/job/libayatana-indicator.deb+nightly/target=eoan/4/console
[19:29] <sunweaver> it seems that latest GLib 2.0 in Ubuntu eoan is incompatible with its GTK-2. Is that so?
[19:30] <sunweaver> (I'll be afk now, but will pick up any answer by tomorrow...)
[19:34] <jdstrand> GunnarHj: done
[19:36] <GunnarHj> jdstrand: Thanks!
[21:11] <vorlon> rbasak: mysql-5.7 is now demotable to universe, I haven't looked if it's also removable now or if there are still revdeps
[21:19] <rbasak> Ah. I forgot all about the deletion.  I'll take care of them.
[23:57] <RAOF> tjaalton: I've got that Kaby Lake G bug for you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1842009
[23:57] <RAOF> tjaalton: Or, rather, *not* for you, because it's probably a GNOME Shell bug.


[00:11] <xivulon> what are the restrictions when selecting a password?
[00:42] <cjwatson> icarus901: the minimum is just url=<blah>; the checksum is a good idea but not a requirement
[00:43] <cjwatson> xivulon: right now, it just has to be at least eight characters long
[06:50] <stony_> ？
[10:42] <CIA-9> oem-config: cjwatson * r669 trunk/ (debian/changelog desktop/oem-config-prepare-gtk.desktop.in):
[10:42] <CIA-9> oem-config: Declare GTK frontend as "NotShowIn=KDE;" rather than
[10:42] <CIA-9> oem-config: "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;" (LP: #163518).
[14:19] <davmor2> cjwatson, evand1: I like the text for password creation it's a lot more descriptive :)
[15:07] <cr3> can the live image be used for a server install?
[15:08] <davmor2> cr3: expert mode can do a minimal install
[15:09] <cjwatson> the live image cannot
[15:09] <cjwatson> the DVD can
[15:09] <cjwatson> (or obviously the server CD)
[15:09] <cjwatson> you can't do a minimal installation from the live image; no expert mode is available
[15:10] <davmor2> cjwatson, cr3: yes sorry me going mad.
[15:10] <persia> Well, you *could* use the live image to do a manual install (from debootstrap up) and end up with a server, but that's not recommended, and would involve downloading all the packages.
[15:11] <cjwatson> yes. you're essentially using it as a fat netboot host and doing all the work yourself then.
[15:11] <cjwatson> you'd have to take care of various little bits of customisation that the installer does on top of debootstrap
[16:01] <evand1> So now that we've had ubiquity-preserve-home for a few releases, would it be sane to offer it as a partman-auto choice?
[17:05] <CIA-9> casper: cjwatson * r633 trunk/scripts/casper: typo
[17:38] <CIA-9> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3277 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules):
[17:38] <CIA-9> ubiquity: Recommend grub-pc | grub rather than the other way round, since GRUB 2
[17:38] <CIA-9> ubiquity: is now the default.
[17:38] <superm1> cjwatson, doesn't ubiquity need a diff like this for grub2 http://pastebin.com/f144af726
[17:38] <superm1> oh haha.. exactly :)
[17:41] <CIA-9> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3278 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.13.3
[17:42] <cjwatson> superm1: GMTA
[20:25] <CIA-9> usb-creator: rgreening * r113 usb-creator/usbcreator/kde_frontend.py:
[20:25] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Added in gettext as backend uses it and this breaks otherwise
[20:25] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Added some checks for self.backend being defined before referencing it
[20:25] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Added gtk version of setup_sources_treeview and setup_targets_treeview (will need to
[20:25] <CIA-9> usb-creator: figure out what to do with these functions... if anything... they setup callback/triggers
[20:25] <CIA-9> usb-creator: to update the icons, labels, etc... how to do this in Qt?)
[21:50] <CIA-9> usb-creator: rgreening * r114 usb-creator/usbcreator/kde_frontend.py:
[21:50] <CIA-9> usb-creator: Changed from using setText to store the UDI data, and instead use setData, which stores
[21:50] <CIA-9> usb-creator: a QVariant. This leaves the setText open to display somethin g other than the UDI (yay).
[22:46] <joshk> does ubiquity respect preseed/late_command?
[22:46] <joshk> or only ubiquity/success_command?
[22:54] <cjwatson> only the latter, I believe
[23:12] <joshk> cjwatson: okay
[23:26] <joshk> not really an installer question.. but is there a way for a rc.local script to echo stuff to the screen?
[23:26] <joshk> it seems like stdout is redirected into upstart, or something
[23:27] <joshk> would stderr work? hrm.
[23:27]  * joshk hacks


[00:00] <mwhudson> that  1.7.3-1ubuntu2 was published
[00:00] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-context/1.1-1ubuntu5/+build/11088558
[05:37] <cpaelzer> thanks for the RC nacc
[05:37] <cpaelzer> nacc: only pending qemu SRU for Trusty, and incoming libvirt for Z/Y/X but takes while
[05:37] <cpaelzer> nacc: so qemu in X is free for you if you got something
[05:54] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:01] <pitti> Good morning
[07:31] <smb> nacc, I got nothing pending (neither qemu nor libvirt) right now
[10:34] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: please stop trying to discard needed llvm changes in Ubuntu
[10:37] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, context please?
[10:38] <doko> [Bug 1632357] Re: Sync llvm-toolchain-3.6 1:3.6.2-4 (main) from Debian unstable (main)
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, 1) llvm-toolchain-3.6 is removed in unstable, and -4 contains all the delta AFAIK
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/llvm-toolchain-3.6/news/20161007T184934Z.html
[10:39] <LocutusOfBorg> 2) I would like to demote/remove it
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> pretty sure I didn't drop stuff
[12:44] <pitti> hey
[12:45] <pitti> sil2100: it's simple, ppc64el is still squeaking under the perl load; amd64/i386 just caught up
[12:45] <pitti> sil2100: it's in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#queue-ubuntu-zesty-ppc64el
[12:45] <pitti> i. e. queued
[12:47] <LocutusOfBorg> the queue looks too green for perl
[13:01] <sil2100> pitti: ah, thanks! :)
[13:18] <doko> hmm, how do I make a haskell build verbose?
[13:18] <doko> slangasek: ^^^
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, "-v"
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> -v[0-4] gives you the right verbosity
[13:53] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: passed to?
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> ghc build
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> "haskell build"  has no meaning, you want to build ghc in verbose mode or an haskell library?
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> I did an hello world and used -v as flag
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> it worked
[14:29] <xnox> has arm64 switched to GLES by default for qt5?
[14:30] <mitya57> xnox, yes, since 5.6.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1
[14:30] <xnox> mitya57, ok, and is there non-GLES available for arm64? E.g. i know we do compile two types of qt stacks on some arches in ubuntu.
[14:31] <mitya57> I think it works only in reverse direction...
[14:31] <xnox> ok.
[14:43] <nacc> smb: thanks!
[14:55] <nacc> smoser: fyi, apt should import now (fixed the usd-import-team tree)
[15:15] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: did you see that -4 was removed from debian altogether though?
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, yes, this is why the bug is now "please remove llvm-3.6 from zesty"
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg> btw I'm the one who is maintaining llvm-* in debian :)
[15:17] <LocutusOfBorg> at least I'm partially working on it
[15:17] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: ack, i gathered as much :)
[15:19] <LocutusOfBorg> and removing llvm-3.6 means, somebody have to merge qtcreator and clamav
[15:43] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: yep :)
[15:44] <nacc> caribou: --^ i assume you are planning on that, or I can put it on my plate for z (for clamav)
[15:44] <LocutusOfBorg> qtcreator needs somebody working on it, I don't feel confident enough in a merge
[15:46] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: delta seems pretty minimal, but yeah, probably deserves testing/experience by someone who knows :)
[15:46] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, if you have a patch I'm happy to test it
[15:46] <LocutusOfBorg> a new release is needed for the compatibility
[15:46] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: ah
[15:47] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: i can look at it later today, maybe
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[15:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I have permissions to work on it from the current maintainer
[16:09] <ioria> hello ! i made a simple textual editor for .xpm icons... where i can upload it to share ?
[16:31] <nacc> smoser: i think i can remove at least one call to dpkg-parsechangelog with a bit of reorg
[16:32] <smoser> memoize makes magic faster.
[16:32] <smoser> and removes 1/2 in my experience. i think for each branch we end up re-calling
[16:35] <nacc> smoser: do you have the current list of failures?
[16:36] <smoser> i can try to find
[16:53] <smoser> nacc, at this point i think everything is working that i've gotten to.
[16:54] <nacc> smoser: so the backoff fixed the download errors you were getting before?
[16:55] <smoser> well, no. but i'm ignoring those for now.
[16:55] <nacc> smoser: ok
[16:55] <smoser> they still occur fairly regularly.
[16:55] <nacc> smoser: note that i can't reproduce them
[16:56] <smoser> but are you trying hundreds of packages ?
[16:56] <nacc> smoser: are you running these in parallel?
[16:56] <smoser> yeah
[16:56] <nacc> ah
[16:56] <smoser> but that really shouldnt matter.
[16:56] <nacc> that's probably launchpad getting mad at you?
[16:57] <nacc> :)
[16:57] <nacc> i hope you talked to the launchpad folks first
[16:57] <smoser> i'mi doing 16 at a time on that vm, load sits about 10
[16:57] <smoser> well, i'm tyring more hard now to save the files i download (that was what i said i'd like as a feature)
[16:58] <smoser> to be able to save .dsc and referenced files off to another directory.
[16:58] <nacc> smoser: but why do you need them (generally)?
[16:58] <smoser> i am a load, for sure, but i'm 16 connections... not like hundreds.
[16:58] <smoser> just ro r-start it, but your'e right i dont really.
[16:58] <nacc> ah ok
[16:59] <nacc> yeah, to continue, but if you reuse the directory, it should just pick up from where it stopped (which would be where it failed to download before)
[16:59] <smoser> this is true.
[16:59] <nacc> that assumes it works :) which it does in my testing
[16:59] <smoser> i am currently intrigued by the idea of pristine-tarball
[16:59] <nacc> yeah, i think that's the direction we need to look at next
[17:00] <smoser> i belive it can be added
[17:00] <smoser> and given a tree with all the .dsc and .orig.tarball would be really easy.
[17:00] <smoser> and even added in a one by one time.
[17:01] <smoser> if we dont worry about a merge commit between upstream/ branches and ubuntu branches (or debian branches)
[17:01] <nacc> right
[17:01] <smoser> then i think we can just insert the upstream/tag files whenever
[17:02] <smoser> and even re-order that branch and force-overwrite
[17:02] <nacc> right, because nothing really depends on it, beyond for building purposes (afaict)
[17:02] <nacc> smoser: i wonder if we can reuse gbp for this
[17:02] <smoser> ie, no one should be depending on the state of that branch other than that it can recreate tarballs.  i think generally it would be nice to have the correct order if you logged it
[17:02] <nacc> smoser: via import-orig or import-dsc maybe
[17:02] <smoser> yeah.
[17:03] <nacc> smoser: i will spend some time researching that today
[17:04] <smoser> it says 'The sources are placed on  the  upstream  branch  (default:  upstream) tagged and merged onto the debian branch (default: master).'
[17:04] <smoser> we wan the first 2 pieces of that import-orig but not the third
[17:05] <nacc> yeah, there's also a --pristine-tar falg
[17:05] <nacc> *flag
[17:05] <nacc> "If you enable pristine-tar, delta files are committed to a pristine-tar branch if you call git-import-dsc or git-import-orig. When you build the package using gbp buildpackage, the exact tarball is regenerated using pristine-tar. "
[17:05] <nacc> from https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit
[17:05] <smoser> right. and clearly we want that :)
[17:05] <nacc> yep :)
[17:05] <nacc> i'll play with the options to see if we can get this working
[17:10] <smoser> nacc, this one is awesome...
[17:11] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23393687/
[17:12] <smoser> i'm pretty sure... unless i'm just being dumb that there are 2 different orig tarballs of the same upstream version there.
[17:12] <smoser> and so downloader is saying that is imposible
[17:13] <nacc> of differnt sizes
[17:13] <smoser> yeah.
[17:13] <nacc> does the changelog indicate if they broke or changed something?
[17:14] <smoser> idont know. didnt really look
[17:15] <nacc> smoser: the current changelog indicates 0.3.1-1 does not exist :)
[17:15] <nacc> smoser: so probably 0.3.1-1 was a mistaken publish
[17:18] <jgrimm> smoser, how's that cloud-init SRU coming along?
[17:24] <smoser> :)
[17:24] <smoser> working on it.
[18:01] <jgrimm> :)
[19:31] <slangasek> doko: haskell build verbosity> nooooo ideaaaa
[22:11] <nacc> smoser: hrm, git-buildpackage does not like xgitified repositories
[22:18] <nacc> barry: feel free to tell me this is just a bad idea, but i'd like to use git-buildpackage's python code to basically do what `gbp import-orig` does; however gbp is python2 and the importer is python3. Is my only option to call gbp directly (which doesn't work with our repository format, apparently)
[22:20] <nacc> smoser: actually, to be specific, gbp doesn't like not having a .git unless it's a bare repository, rather than using an alternative GIT_DIR
[22:21] <barry> nacc: first, it depends on whether the gbp code is even python3 compatible, which i don't know.  if it is (either by design or accidentally), then it's mostly a matter of getting it installed on a path that python3 can find it.  i'd try a virtualenv for that just to see if you can make it work
[22:22] <nacc> barry: ack, thanks!
[22:22] <barry> nacc: ack! :)
[22:29] <nacc> https://github.com/agx/git-buildpackage/pull/16 looks to be the same issue i'm running into
[22:46] <eu__> Hi all. I have installed Ubuntu Mate 16.10, AppArmor 2.10.95-4ubuntu5.1, QEMU emulator version 2.6.1, libvirtd (libvirt) 2.1.0. I'm create shared directory with virt-manager and successfully mount it inside guest. But i cannot nor write nor `ls' inside it. How to fix it?
[22:47] <nacc> eu__: you probably want #ubuntu
[22:47] <eu__> @nacc Sorry. Thank you.
[22:47] <udevbot> Error: "nacc" is not a valid command.
[22:47] <nacc> smoser: is there a reason you didn't convert all of the subprocess.run to run?
[22:49] <smoser> nacc, i just missed it
[22:49] <smoser> i noticed that today too
[22:49] <nacc> smoser: ack, not a big deal, just wnated to check
[22:49] <nacc> smoser: i'm working on switching us away from xgit-ified dependencies, and see if we can just use gbp as-is
[22:54] <smoser> nacc, 558 total. 16 working. 524 pass. 18 fail.
[22:54] <smoser> golang-golang-x-net-dev                  Unknown: AssertionError: source pkg version: 1:0.0+git20150817.66f0418-1 != changelog version: 0.0+git20150817.66f0418-1
[22:54] <smoser> that one is interesting, then tehre is the gexiv2 error (different orig tarballs)
[22:54] <smoser> and the rest are download errors
[22:55] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23395022/
[22:56] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23395027/ <-- i s gnutls28
[22:56] <smoser> and /me goes
[22:57] <smoser> wow
[22:57] <smoser> $ du -hs firefox/git/
[22:57] <smoser> 1.2G    firefox/git/
[22:57] <smoser> and its not done
[22:59] <slangasek> heh, golang-golang-x-net-dev has both 0.0+git20150817.66f0418-1 and 1:0.0+git20150817.66f0418-1 in its changelog
[23:17] <nacc> urgh, and the 1: version's .dsc file says it's not an epoch bump, even though changelog does
[23:17] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/golang-golang-x-net-dev/1:0.0+git20150817.66f0418-1
[23:54] <rcj> cyphermox, When you have a chance, the livecd-rootfs change for cloud images is ready for review @ https://code.launchpad.net/~rcj/livecd-rootfs/zesty_grub/+merge/309517


[11:32] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> could 21.10 be erased from #ubuntu's topic now its end of life please? thank you!
[19:17] <arraybolt3> Hey, guys? There's a user named "filename" in the channel who's kinda gone a bit crazy and is loading the #ubuntu channel with junk.
[19:17] <arraybolt3> They've still not left or gotten kicked AFAICT.
[19:23] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Thanks, looks like he's gone!


[14:27] <SpecialK|Canon> cjwatson: https://www.madhatterboardgames.co.uk/ - fabulously lightweight side-business; limited browsing potential but they seem great for "do you have X please?"
[14:28] <SpecialK|Canon> Their site seems far more featureful on desktop, but still, no real stock list
[14:28] <SpecialK|Canon> Meanwhile twom linked me to a _lovely_ ukulele cover of Heal The World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE_ZSTqgv7E
[14:29] <tomwardill> I would pay reasonable money for a copy of Agricola All Creatures Great and Small
[14:29] <tomwardill> s/Great/Big/
[14:29] <SpecialK|Canon> tomwardill: I suggest emailing them then!
[14:31] <tomwardill> done
[14:47] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: thanks
[15:31] <tomwardill> updated https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/376431 . Will land unless anyone says otherwise :)
[16:06] <tomwardill> cjwatson: where did the DB patch that adds OCIRecipeBuildJob end up? I'm completley failing to find the right branch for it.
[16:54] <cjwatson> tomwardill: I think maybe I had it in the most recent one I landed but then removed it for now?  If so I haven't resubmitted it anywhere yet
[16:55] <tomwardill> cjwatson: yeah, I've found it in an old DB patch that I had a copy of
[16:55] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Yeah, removed in 35651746e6218615c1f4259b64f0f0e6c7cbe3ab since it's only useful for doing registry pushes AIUI
[16:56] <tomwardill> cjwatson: I think it's a dependency of the next branch (BuildJob), to get towards BuildBehaviour.
[16:57] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Why do we need BuildJob to have BuildBehaviour?
[16:57] <cjwatson> A FooBuildJob is a job that runs over a (typically completed) FooBuild; a FooBuildBehaviour is the mechanism for dispatching a FooBuild to the build farm
[16:57] <cjwatson> Usually the dependency is the other way round, if anything
[16:58] <cjwatson> But only because you can't really have a completed build without having a behaviour for it
[16:58] <tomwardill> huh, well my trivial answer is 'because that's the order I did the branches in', but you are right. I should be able to rebase the buildbehaviour on top of the RecipeBuild
[16:58] <cjwatson> I'll try to work on the registry push DDL soon, but yeah, shouldn't be needed here
[16:59] <tomwardill> cool, I'll do that
[16:59] <tomwardill> going to land OCIRecipeBuild
[16:59] <tomwardill> then Behaviour should rebase on top of master


[00:00] <kolby_> There's not really any college classes to take for open source developers are there?
[00:07] <Laney> kolby_: Well it's more about getting stuck in than taking classes I suppose
[00:40] <directhex> Laney, IMHO that's the case with free software work generally
[00:40] <Laney> right, that's what I meant
[00:41] <directhex> Laney, i didn't get my cushy linux sysadmin job, with root on a couple of million quid of kit, on the basis of stuff i learnt in classes. i got it on the basis of the linux mucking about i did instead of revising for exams! :)
[00:42] <Laney> theory != practice
[00:42] <directhex> well, yes. and so much of computing is a mix of both
[00:42] <Laney> mhm
[00:42] <Laney> kolby_: Pick a project, get your hands dirty :)
[00:42] <directhex> purely practice and, well, you get the mess of people who answer linuxquestions or ubuntuforums posts with things involving --prefix=/
[00:43] <directhex> purely theory, and you go nowhere fast either
[00:44]  * Laney only knows theory ;)
[00:44] <Laney> silly academia
[00:44] <Laney> "When was the last time you ran one of your programs?" is a joke in our lab :S
[00:44] <kolby_> what classes do you take?
[00:44] <Laney> none - I'm doing a PhD ;)
[00:44] <kolby_> amazing.
[00:44] <directhex> pfft, bloody students
[00:45] <Laney> quite
[00:45] <directhex> bane of my sodding life, the lot of you
[00:45] <kolby_> I have about... 1/2 a bachelor
[00:45]  * Laney files a support request with directhex
[00:45]  * directhex disparages Laney on rt-comment@
[00:46] <Laney> DATA PROTECTION REQUEST
[00:46] <kolby_> is socket programming necessary for network programming?
[00:47] <kolby_> or is it going too deep for simple game programming?
[00:48] <directhex> Laney, certainWHOOPS, i got my SELECT and DROP the wrong way round in postgres
[00:48] <directhex> kolby_, what kind of game? and i think we've deviated into #ubuntu-motu territory here
[00:48] <Laney> it's OK, you have highly redundant backups... right?!?!?
[00:49] <directhex> Laney, they were redundant, so i binned them!
[00:49] <Laney> foiled again
[00:49] <kolby_> directhex: so what is this channel for?
[00:50] <Laney> I'd say it's something like Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu)
[00:50] <kolby_> okay
[00:50] <Laney> #ubuntu or a general programming channel
[00:50] <directhex> better fit than here, albeit not ideal either
[00:50] <directhex> this is the lair of scary people like jono. he can devour you in one bite!
[00:50] <kolby_> maybe ##c
[00:50] <kolby_> jono sounds like a cool enough guy.
[00:51] <directhex> yeah, sure. but you'll go there without me. i don't do c.
[00:51] <kolby_> I still haven't heard jono's metal.
[00:51] <Laney> #haskell is where all the rock stars go to code
[00:51] <directoct> directhex: mwahahaha.
[00:52] <jono> directhex, shame on you :P
[00:52]  * directhex tosses a bacon cookie @ jono
[00:52] <jono> :)
[00:53] <directhex> chocolatey AND meaty!
[00:53] <directoct> Laney: haskell != game programmer friendly
[00:53] <Laney> not necessarily
[00:53] <directhex> c != friendly ;)
[00:53] <directhex> all depends on what you're doing, and where your bottlenecks are, of course
[00:54] <Laney> I wrote sudoku in it!
[00:54] <directoct> directhex: that's about as unhealthy as these "deep fried chocolate covered twinkies" I saw at the state fair.
[00:55] <directhex> bacon! http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/normal_IMG_0551.JPG
[00:55] <directoct> sudoku... has the _potential_ to be resource intensive.
[00:56] <directhex> pro-grade games are written in multiple languages
[00:56] <directhex> usually
[00:56] <kolby_> pro-grade = something like wow?
[00:56] <directhex> graphics engine in something like c, and all the game logic in something easier like lua, python, or a custom language (like unrealscript)
[00:57] <kolby_> directhex: ohhhhh...
[00:57] <kolby_> I should boiler-plate my code.
[00:58] <kolby_> I suppose it has been a trend.
[00:58] <directhex> as an example, Sid Meier's Civilization 4 uses Python 2.4 for all the game logic
[00:58] <kolby_> directhex: you lie beautiful lies.
[00:59] <directhex> /media/disk/Program Files (x86)/Firaxis Games/Sid Meier's Civilization 4/python24.dll: MS-DOS executable PE  for MS Windows (DLL) (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit
[01:01] <savvas> (Literal reply: take that!)
[01:01] <kolby_> I have to tell you directhex, that's great news.
[01:01] <savvas> :)
[01:02] <directhex> many games use some Free Software somewhere
[01:02] <kolby_> directhex: ...so where's the credit?
[01:02] <directhex> kolby_, erm... hiding!
[01:02] <directhex> kolby_, in the back of the manual, generally
[01:03] <kolby_> why wasn't I informed about my nice open source dlls?
[01:03] <savvas> the python license doesn't expect credit I think, right?
[01:03] <directhex> dunno. i don't do python
[01:03] <directhex> vorbis.dll is a common one to find - all unreal tournament games since 2003, and some others (e.g. grand theft auto san andreas) use vorbis
[01:04] <kolby_> well...  they credit their stupid middleware.
[01:04] <directhex> as well as sony's singstar karaoke games for playstation
[01:04] <kolby_> directhex: I'm sure neversoft used it for their games.
[01:05] <directhex> possibly
[01:06] <directhex> generally, game developers have obscene deadlines & budget limits. they just go for the easiest route - best balance of cost & time
[01:06] <kolby_> directhex: nice wordpress site btw.
[01:06] <directhex> sometimes they opt for vorbis, sometimes they pay for mp3. sometimes they use python or lua, sometimes they pay devs to write something in-house
[01:06] <kolby_> strange cookies...
[01:06] <directhex> a few devs are using mono now for console development
[01:06] <directhex> and iphone
[01:07] <kolby_> at least C# has mono developer's respect
[01:08] <kolby_> C# always seemed like M$'s answer to Sun's Java.
[01:08] <directhex> to an extent, it is
[01:09] <directhex> they got into trouble for making their "own" modified java, back in the early days of XP, so they took their ball & started their own game
[01:10] <kolby_> learning new launguages can be fun.  Python was fun to learn.
[01:11] <directhex> i disagree on principle with whitespace sensitivity
[01:11] <kolby_> I like that idea.
[01:12] <kolby_> don't think of it as forced style.  Think of it as time well spent without "; punctuation"
[01:13] <kolby_> plus the code does look pretty.
[01:13] <directhex> hmm, i find python ugly
[01:13] <directhex> i like my {}!
[01:13] <kolby_> then again, I use underscores and full words in variabl names.
[01:18] <kolby_> dont me this:  strange_function(crazy_array[x][y][z][r]);
[01:18] <kolby_> s/me/mind
[02:44] <bbechdol> Evening all
[02:46] <Laney> Can someone unsubscribe u-m-s from bug #310349, please?
[02:46] <Laney> erm, bug #313049 even
[03:55] <ScottK-desktop> Laney: Done.
[04:23] <superm1> tjaalton, the "upstream installer" for fglrx builds the same debs that you would get from the archive.  (things that get uploaded to the archive are built with --buildpkg Ubuntu/source, while if you run it locally then --buildpkg Ubuntu/intrepid etc)
[04:53] <android60> are there plans to add support for atheros 5007eg cards in jaunty via the madwifi hal 10.5.6
[04:53] <android60> ?
[05:02] <atester> what packages do I need to install in order to get the binary nvidia drivers in Jaunty?
[08:02] <tjaalton> superm1: ok, you may reopen those if you like :)
[13:19] <DktrKranz> StevenK, regarding bug 311706, TechBoard granted me upload privileges for SCons, is that sufficient to process the sync?
[13:20] <StevenK> DktrKranz: I guess so. I'll add it to the processing list
[13:20] <DktrKranz> I don't know where uploads privileges are stored (no UI yet, IIRC)
[13:22] <DktrKranz> StevenK, if you have some spare time, mind NEWing amule-adunanza backport for intrepid and hardy (binary packages)?
[13:24] <StevenK> DktrKranz: Still dealing with the eleventy million syncs
[15:28] <superm1> tjaalton, well the ones i saw fly by were actually issues from jockey that are fixed by a jockey in -proposed, so it shouldn't be a big deal
[17:00] <tjaalton> superm1: oh, excellent
[17:51] <jardi> hi all
[17:52] <jardi> I want to submit a patch to launchpad, but I can't remember the right diff options to make a "good" patch
[17:53] <Riddell> jardi: diff -urN
[17:53] <Riddell> the -u is the important bit
[17:55] <jardi> thanls Riddell
[17:55] <jardi> -l+k
[18:46] <NCommander> cjwatson_, ping
[19:31] <stgraber> tjaalton: hey, I just upgraded to the ati/readon driver you uploaded today (?), did you see bug 311867 ?
[20:04] <tjaalton> stgraber: looks like another dupe of 311748
[20:07] <tjaalton> stgraber: or maybe not, but might be related
[20:09] <stgraber> tjaalton: hmm, in 311748 X doesn't seem to crash
[20:10] <tjaalton> stgraber: so in your case it returns to the console?
[20:10] <stgraber> tjaalton: yes
[20:11] <stgraber> tjaalton: well, it gets stuck half-initialized so I have to start X from ssh but starting it shows that undefined symbol: exaDriverAlloc and exit
[20:12] <tjaalton> stgraber: ok, sound odd since I can't see any dupes :)
[20:13] <stgraber> tjaalton: well, the error message sounds like a linking issue (that's why I then mentioned that I'm on amd64) but it's clearly the switch to EXA that introduced the bug
[20:16] <tjaalton> stgraber: ok, try building the driver without patch 104 and see if it helps
[20:19] <stgraber> building it now
[20:20] <stgraber> tjaalton: X starts just fine without 104
[20:24] <tjaalton> stgraber: ok then.. what if you force EXA from the conffile?
[20:25] <stgraber> started just fine
[20:25] <stgraber> (I added "Option" "AccelMethod" "EXA" to the Device section)
[20:25] <tjaalton> so the patch is broken.. let's wait until bryce get's back :)
[20:26] <stgraber> root@castiana:~/tmp1# grep EXA /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:26] <stgraber> (**) RADEON(0): Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[20:26] <stgraber> that's weird, I'd have thought it'd be more verbose and mention EXA more than one time
[20:31] <Nafallo> Baby!!! \o/
[20:31] <Baby> hi Nafallo :)))
[20:51] <tjaalton> bryce: stgraber confirmed that without ati patch 104 his X can start (bug 311867
[20:53] <tjaalton> bryce: but forcing EXA by using AccelMethod in xorg.conf worked fine
[20:54] <tjaalton> (huh, thought I was on #ubuntu-x)
[20:55] <tjaalton> afk, BSG ->
[21:34] <YokoZar> Popcon says Wine has more installs than sun java6 now
[21:35] <YokoZar> (~39%)
[21:43] <YokoZar> Is the new Gecko backwards compatible?
[21:43] <YokoZar> oops wrong channel
[21:48] <directhex> YokoZar, the number doesn't take into account the number of people using sin java for windows with wine!
[21:52] <YokoZar> directhex: fair enough ;)
[21:53] <directhex> hm. "sin java". typo or freudian slip?
[21:53] <YokoZar> directhex: also doesn't count people using wine/firefox for windows flash
[21:55] <directhex> cool kids use wine/msie for windows silverlight!
[22:11] <NCommander> o_o;
[22:11] <NCommander> directhex, IT BURNS
[22:11]  * NCommander has WINE installed for the Windows version of firefox ...
[22:12]  * directhex burns NCommander
[22:12] <directhex> NCommander, progress with ikvm! it compiles! and runs!
[23:31] <fta> stgraber, http://paste.ubuntu.com/98620/
[23:38] <stgraber> fta: thanks, applied. I don't really know why I changed it to parseString in commit 48 but it can't be a good reason (otherwise it'd be in the commit message) :)
[23:40] <fta> stgraber, thanks. i read you wanted to release 0.11 about a month ago, i can't see it in jaunty. am i missing something?
[23:40] <stgraber> fta: well, it's released. I'm just waiting on Debian to package it, then request the sync.
[23:41] <stgraber> fta: if it's not soon, I'll just upload the new upstream myself.
[23:41] <ebroder> Any core devs wiling to sponsor an upload for LP #216761 ?
[23:42] <stgraber> fta: or do a 0.11.1 with the few patches I received and then upload it :)
[23:43] <fta> stgraber, and chance you can add a default action instead of showing usage ? i'm sick of adding "-i -"
[23:44] <fta> stgraber, especially that it's not consistent... you can add "-i -" or "-f text" to work around the test. imho, it's useless.
[23:47] <fta> (s/and/any)


[16:54] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[16:55] <dscassel> Hey, BluesKaj
[16:56] <BluesKaj> hi dscassel
[17:14] <cvillaco_> hi
[17:18] <BluesKaj> hi cvillaco_
[17:20] <BluesKaj>  heh , bell internet was down here for 8 hrs . now my IP says NA , located on the 60th parallel on Hudson Bay :) .. http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=&map_source=1&overview_map=1&lang=1&map_type=1&zoom_level=7
[17:20] <cvillaco_> I saw the community week events post by a Ubuntu group on fB and thought i would check out whats going on.
[17:21] <dscassel> cvillaco_: Welcome back. :D
[17:21] <BluesKaj> cvillaco_, Ubuntu group on fB ?
[17:22] <cvillaco_> yes, i think this page is cool
[17:22] <cvillaco_> http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux
[17:23] <cvillaco_> it's pretty active and users can post
[17:23] <cvillaco_> i never have, but i read stuff im interested in if it comes up in my feeds
[17:25] <dscassel> There's an Ubuntu Canada group on Facebook, but it's been kind of dead since 2007... ^^;
[17:25] <dscassel> But if someone wanted to take it up again... :)
[17:35] <willwh> bleh
[17:36] <willwh> google+ is like facebook for geeks, apparently.
[17:36] <willwh> if anyone needs an invite - hit me up - happy to fire you one
[17:36] <willwh> I'm following Linus Torvalds on there
[17:36] <dscassel> willwh: No equivalent for groups or pages yet, tho.
[17:36] <willwh> linux kernal 3.0 got pushed last night :]
[17:36] <cvillaco> hey dscassel, im outside enjoying the weather and my wireless connection was lost
[17:36] <willwh> dscassel: it'll come
[17:36] <willwh> :>
[17:37] <dscassel> willwh: Definitely.
[17:37] <willwh> haha - zuckerberg is evil and must be resisted
[17:37] <dscassel> I'm on it, but I haven't figured out what I'm gonna do with it yet.
[17:37] <willwh> or rather, what he created ;]
[17:37] <dscassel> I'm pretty firmly ensconsed in Twitter land.  There's stuff about G+ I really like, though.
[17:38] <dscassel> But it's effort to post everyting in two (or more) places.
[17:39] <cvillaco> gwibber :p
[17:39] <dscassel> cvillaco: Doesn't support G+ yet. :)
[17:40] <cvillaco> haha,  i kid, and i know what you mean
[17:40] <willwh> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/jul/20/leopard-attacks-villagers-india#/?picture=377083509&index=0
[17:40] <willwh> omg^
[17:40] <willwh> guy with white gloves in the right corner of the first shoot = LOOOOOSER
[17:40] <willwh> make me think of Jurassic Park....   How about tiger gouges OSX users with new $29.99 update charge :p?
[17:45] <cvillaco> it is a pretty rich update to be fair..
[17:45] <willwh> whatever, not interested in apple products
[17:46] <willwh> jobsy is a huge success - but I won't touch his kit with a barge pole :]
[17:46] <cvillaco> yeah, linux is way cool.
[17:49] <cvillaco> i have no reason to use apple products myself.  It is such a constraining system is not my type.
[17:51] <cvillaco> willwh where abouts are you?
[17:52] <willwh> beautiful Victoria, BC :)
[17:52] <willwh> I'm fae Edinburgh, Scotland though
[17:52] <willwh> not a native ;)
[17:52] <willwh> johanbr: ! :D
[17:52] <johanbr> hey there!
[17:52] <cvillaco> ohh i hear Edinburgh is a famous place in Scotland isnt it?
[17:52]  * dscassel is distracted by work.
[17:52] <willwh> cvillaco: it's the capital :)
[17:52] <dscassel> cvillaco: Used to be worse. OSX upgrades used to be more frequent and $129.
[17:53]  * dscassel got off that turnip truck.
[17:53]  * genii-around makes some coffee
[17:54] <cvillaco> i understand, but this is just an update, not an upgrade i think.
[17:55] <dscassel> cvillaco: I only did the upgrade once. Jaguar, I think? 10.4, anyway.  It wasn't much at it was $129.
[17:55] <dscassel> Then Apple decided it didn't really care about computers anymore and I decided to go 100% ubuntu. :)
[17:56] <cvillaco> yeah, i mean i think the windows os upgrades are the same price.  but i'm off that as much as I can be.  I'm almost 100% ubuntu
[17:57] <cvillaco> i agree apple doesnt care about computing much anymore.  They are foucsed on advertising alot i think, and outsourcing
[17:58] <cvillaco> which is not an unheard of strategy or anything.
[17:59] <dscassel> They seem to be doing well enough...
[18:00] <cvillaco> yeah,
[18:00] <cvillaco> im glad android came into the mobile picture though, claiming most of the smartphone market and putting steve jobs in a publicly foul mood
[18:02] <genii-around> I wonder if anyone is still working on MeeGo
[18:02] <cvillaco> trying to patent touch gestures on mobile devices after android handset releases raised eyebrows i think.
[18:03] <dscassel> genii-around: Nokia isn't. I think Intel might be, tho.  They're still working on clutter, at least.
[18:03] <dscassel> cvillaco: I think that stuff is mostly business as usual.
[18:11] <cvillaco> yeah, dog eat dog
[18:12] <cvillaco> hey dscassel what is required to be a loCo canada team member?
[18:14] <cvillaco> like, are there responsibilities beyond just being a fan, supporting the idea of a local team, following policey and meeting other fans?
[18:16] <cvillaco> i think ubuntu is great, and wouldnt mind just metaphorically carrying an ubuntu sign.  i live pretty far from the major centers
[18:19] <willwh> cvillaco: I just cover my laptop in ubuntu / drupal stickers :P
[18:19] <willwh> and sit and hack in cafe's ;D
[18:20] <cvillaco> haha cool
[18:20] <cvillaco> i hear drupal is great
[18:20] <cvillaco> are you apart of the local team then willwh?
[18:20] <dscassel> cvillaco: Officially, you need to sign the code of conduct.  Joining the Ubuntu Canada group on launchpad is a plus as well.
[18:21] <dscassel> cvillaco: In practice, just hanging out here or on the mailing list is probably sufficient. :)
[18:22] <willwh> cvillaco: I am, yes
[18:22] <dscassel> And, of course, running events elevates you to a position of power and authority. (for what it's worth) :D
[18:22] <willwh> and I go to the Victoria Drupal users meetup monthly too
[18:22] <willwh> although there really isn't an active ubuntu chapter in Victoria
[18:23] <dscassel> willwh: I keep talking to people in Victoria.
[18:23] <dscassel> You guys need to get together. :)
[18:23] <dscassel> (I'm pretty sure it's not just you, either)
[18:27] <cvillaco> :willwh I hear Drupal is great.  Later this summer im going to be reading through the wordpress documentation.  I hear drupal is the big open source cms.
[18:29] <cvillaco> ok dscassel.  I will follow the wiki instructions to apply.
[18:32] <willwh> http://www.jolokia.org/ <- wunnerful
[18:34] <cvillaco> whats this jolokia?
[18:37] <willwh>  well, it's JMX with JSON over http.......
[18:37] <willwh> u
[18:37] <willwh> uh*
[18:37] <willwh> java "Stuff" :)
[18:37]  * genii-around stuffs some java
[18:37] <willwh> genii-around: :D
[18:37] <willwh> how goes mate?
[18:38] <genii-around> willwh: Not bad, first day back from vacation
[18:38]  * genii-around slides BluesKaj a coffee
[18:38] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around , thanks :)
[18:39] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Anytime of course!
[20:33] <cvillaco> dscassel thanks for the support and information on the Canada loCo team.  Can send you a PM?  I think I need some clarification.
[20:34] <cvillaco> or is anyone available atm to give me a hand?
[20:37] <MagicFab> cvillaco, what can we help you with ?
[20:51] <cvillaco> Hi MagicFab I had some questions on signing the Code of Conduct
[20:52] <willwh> cvillaco: I'm here too now... :]
[20:52] <willwh> I can also assist
[20:52] <cvillaco> ok, are you ok for me to shoot a pm willwh :-)
[20:52] <willwh> absolutely
[20:53] <MagicFab> sorry, gotta run
[20:53] <willwh> o/
[20:53] <willwh> I got him MagicFab :)
[20:54] <MagicFab> sorry!!! unexpected madness w/kids :)
[20:54] <willwh> np!!
[21:13] <dscassel> cvillaco: Send away!
[21:19] <willwh> dscassel: I take it that the ubuntu ca loco drupal install is totally seperate?
[21:19] <willwh> i.e. I'll need to create a user account?


[22:26] <minasota> cyberanger: Dennis Rodman may know... :p
[23:42] <cyberanger> minasota: Well, was trying more for South Korea, has Rodman been there?


[12:05] !RichiH:*! The people in ##wii would like to invite anyone who owns a wii or is interested in the platform to come to, hang out and participate in discussion in their channel: ##wii


[01:35] <DeltaCode> anyone on tonight that can answer a question.
[01:35] <DeltaCode> ?
[01:36] <DeltaCode> I have ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS. I have no idea what firewall originally my system was using. However I enabled ufw. When you install ubuntu server is there a default file that handles the ports?
[01:43] <DeltaCode> anybody here?


[00:05] <rmg51> careful, it's getting closer to Thanksgiving every day :-[
[00:11] <MobileTurkey> oh boy he's dropping some threats
[00:11] <MobileTurkey> be careful I might have the bird flu :|
[00:16] <rmg51> we won't know that until you dead and skinned and ready for the oven
[00:20] <MobileTurkey> by that time you'll regret you ever bought that stuffing...
[00:23] <rmg51> maybe, but there will be one less MobileTurkey /MutantTurkey in the world
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> mmm, stuffing
[00:30] <andrew> mmm
[00:34] <rmg51> so, who's all on board to stuff a MutantTurkey?
[00:34] <rmg51> or maybe a mobile one
[00:35] <MobileTurkey> watch out or I might just pull the ol' 1 2 and flap outta here
[00:36] <rmg51> a moving target
[00:36] <rmg51> works for me
[00:36] <MobileTurkey> i'll have you know I can make the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs...
[00:38] <rmg51> where are all the hunters of the loco team?
[00:39] <rmg51> maybe they are just waiting for a certain MutantTurkey to run by :-D
[00:43]  * rmg51 heads off the the turkey blind to await events ;-)
[01:31] <ChinnoDog> Google Voice with Sprint sounds awesome. Anyone using it?
[01:34] <MobileTurkey> sounds like it kills your battery, barkey
[01:35] <ChinnoDog> hmm
[01:36] <ChinnoDog> Did you google it? Android apps change so fast and phones are so different it is hard to know whether google results apply at any one given time
[01:36] <ChinnoDog> I'm going to give it a spin.
[01:36] <MobileTurkey> not at all
[01:36] <MobileTurkey> cythes: still around?
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> So if someone calls my sprint number and I pick up on a land line... I guess it doesn't cost me minutes?  Will that count as a cell-to-cell call or is it a cell-to-landline call? Confusing...
[01:56] <ChinnoDog> I'll ask the twitterverse
[02:18] <cythes> MobileTurkey: Now I am
[02:21] <MobileTurkey> cythes: go on facebook and look up a band called " A False Sense of Valor" and go underneath their Wall then their most recent note.  I proud... I very proud... Carbon Leaf Still rules.
[02:31] <MobileTurkey> carbon leaf is awsome -.-
[02:32] <cythes> Dont you forget it and we wont have an issue. :D
[02:32] <cythes> (0,0) Hoot Hoot
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> carbon leaf?
[02:43] <cythes> Jah
[02:45] <MobileTurkayy> carbon leaf
[02:46] <MobileTurkayy> what outta nashville? nah I forget where
[02:46] <MobileTurkayy> they are from S.C i think
[02:46] <MobileTurkayy> they are pretty freaking mellow
[02:50] <cythes> ChinnoDog: They are an awesome irish rock / country band my friend forced me to listen too and I have liked ever since.
[02:50] <cythes> I need to go get clean... but first..
[02:51] <cythes> ChinnoDog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWfSA8mxpVY
[02:54] <MobileTurkayy> they are "irish'
[02:54] <MobileTurkayy> can't listen to them anymore.
[02:57] <ChinnoDog> cythes: Thanks for that link. I like that.
[02:59] <MobileTurkayy> logs?
[02:59] <MobileTurkayy> what happened to pennbot :[
[03:04] <ChinnoDog> Long dead.
[03:05] <cythes> MobileTurkayy: I sent him a link to carbon leaf
[03:06] <cythes> ChinnoDog: Has been enlightened.
[03:45] <cythes> NIght all
[08:13] <toggles> InHisName: '91
[09:38] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:45] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:51] <JonathanD> hey
[09:56] <rmg51> o/
[12:13] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:14] <InHisName> toggles: I forgot the question that you answered.
[13:17]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[13:33]  * InHisName yawns too
[14:24] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[14:24] <lamalex> hi ChinnoDog
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: coming back to PA any time soon?
[14:29] <lamalex> i was home this weekend
[14:29] <lamalex> probably not again until thanksgiving time
[14:31] <ChinnoDog> Do you drive/fly/other?
[14:34] <ChinnoDog> lamalex:
[14:34] <lamalex> mixed bag
[14:35] <lamalex> i don't have a car so I don't drive, but the bus, or hitch a ride
[14:36] <lamalex> this weekend i hitched a ride
[14:36] <lamalex> i was only home for a day ha
[14:37] <ChinnoDog> You can always take Megabus to Boston and then from Boston to Philly.
[14:45] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: I've taken it to NYC. It isn't bad.
[14:45] <lamalex> i know
[14:45] <lamalex> i know the buses better than anyone on the east coast
[14:45] <lamalex> i've gone ... everywhere on them
[14:46] <lamalex> megabus blows though
[14:46] <lamalex> bolt bus is way better
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> Oh yea? What else is out there? There is BoltBus, but their routes are few.
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> They only go a few places though
[14:46] <lamalex> yah but they at least get you to the hubs
[14:46] <lamalex> and let you take a bike
[14:47] <lamalex> megabus doesn't let you bring a bicycle
[14:48] <kasted> and if the wifi is "working", it still isn't that great.
[14:49]  * lamalex has never tried
[14:49] <ChinnoDog> It worked sporadically on the way to NYC. I abandoned it and tethered my phone instead, which was pretty reliable.
[14:56] <lamalex> i just read and listen to music and stay off of the computer
[14:56] <lamalex> talk to strangers
[14:56] <lamalex> sew
[14:56] <lamalex> whatevez
[15:11] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: sew?
[15:11] <lamalex> yah, sew
[15:11] <lamalex> needle and thread
[15:11] <lamalex> my clothes often have holes in them
[15:11] <lamalex> gotta patch them up
[17:24] <cythes> ChinnoDog: How did that work out?
[17:47] <ChinnoDog> aaargh
[17:47] <ChinnoDog> irssi is misbehaving now
[17:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> o.O
[17:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> ...
[17:50] <cythes> See this is how it starts...
[17:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> how what starts, the zombie apocalypse?
[17:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> if so there's a weapons cache nearby and a bunker protected by energy fields
[17:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[17:55] <cythes> Good point lol
[17:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> and by weapons i mean weapons which are energy or particle-based, and thus are stronger than standard military firearms
[17:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> *points to the plasma beam emitter rifle, the photon grenades, and the antimatter bombs*
[18:00] <cythes> ......... *GUN-GASM*
[18:04] <cythes> TheEvilPhoenix: All we need now are Gundams..
[18:08] <GeekyAdam> answer to zombie apocalypse: motion-activated energy turret with corresponding infrared sensor. if it moves, but its body isn't warm, shoot it. also energy turret means no reloading necessary?
[18:14] <cythes> GeekyAdam: You may have saved the world!
[18:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> cythes:  or nukes :P
[18:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> <GeekyAdam> [09/26/11 14:08:40] +answer to zombie apocalypse: motion-activated energy turret with corresponding infrared sensor. if it moves, but its body isn't warm, shoot it. also energy turret means no reloading necessary?  <-- except after 250000 plasma bursts
[18:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> then all you do is change the power cell
[18:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> *presses eject core button*
[18:54] <cythes> They work too.
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> *inserts new core and closes access panel*
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> my bunker also incorporates a last-resort protection system
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> in the event the bunker is breached...
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> a massive antimatter bomb detonates
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> obliterating the bunker and everything in it
[18:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> thus preventing the zombies from acquiring energy- and particle- based weapons
[20:32] <GeekyAdam> the only thing worse than zombie apocalypse is laser-based-weapon-yielding-zombie apocalypse. we'd be effed.
[20:41] <MutantTurkey> you amean the lazer-based-weapon-weilding-robot-killing-zombie-apocalypse
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> FTFY
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> TheEvilPhoenix: Also that won't work. zombies generate plenty of heat.
[20:42] <MutantTurkey> just set it to shoot everything and everyone
[20:42] <GeekyAdam> ^ good point
[20:43] <MutantTurkey> position bait traps and setup turrets do to the work in a triangle.
[20:43] <MutantTurkey> the zombies won't attack that which is not human
[20:43] <MutantTurkey> therefore unmanned turrets are a safe bet.
[20:43] <MutantTurkey> you could also program them to not shoot you if you are wearing a RF emitter.
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> because it's in a triange, it could calculate your location based on an emitter and simple trig
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> moreover the trouble would be dealing with the dead bodies.
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> you would need to get some sort of trash compactor.
[20:44] <MutantTurkey> Trust me, i've thought it over.
[20:45] <MutantTurkey> anti-matter bombs are counter intuitive because the energy required to maintain the facilties and the technical component its astronomical
[20:45] <MutantTurkey> it would be a safer bet to just build a good old fasioned moat.
[20:45] <MutantTurkey> jeez.
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> A very deep moat in which is a very VERY high PH level
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> strong enough to kill a zombie
[20:46] <GeekyAdam> well...are we assuming zombies would die in deep water? i dont see why they would, so id assume simple water wouldnt stop them, only slow them.
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> combine that with a TON of hard core microorginisms to break it down
[20:46] <GeekyAdam> ahh
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> very strong acids/base's.
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> think about drinking DRAINO
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> :)
[20:47] <MutantTurkey> Anyway I have matters to attend to. do ponder it for some time though
[20:47] <GeekyAdam> but still, over time the PH levels would need constantly maintained
[20:47] <MutantTurkey> I have already decided a good point of defence.
[20:47] <MutantTurkey> GeekyAdam: the breakdown of dead zombies would emit toxins.
[20:47] <GeekyAdam> yes, that
[20:47] <MutantTurkey> also, it's not really viable to stick around and do this zombie killing thing.
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> much better time is spend on Endor, building tree villages. (zombies cannot climb) or the backwoods of montana or colorado
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> j/s
[20:48] <MutantTurkey> does anyone use KDE.orgs svn? it's freaking horrible
[20:49] <MutantTurkey> it cuts out constantly.
[20:49] <jedijf> zombies do
[20:49] <MutantTurkey> climb?
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> just as effectivly as humans, (or less for that matter) so I don't see it as a problem.
[20:50] <GeekyAdam> zombies don't use KDE, they don't care about visually pleasing aspects
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> GeekyAdam: I don't use KDE either.
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> moreover I am not concerned with "visually pleasing aspects"
[20:50] <GeekyAdam> MutantTurkey: likewise
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> I develop the classic KDE series
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> KDE 3.5 series
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> before it was terrible...
[20:51] <GeekyAdam> so, what you do is create a "house on stilts" type infrastructure, with various "auto-zombie-killing" mechanisms and systems below
[20:51] <GeekyAdam> the stilts are strong, such as concrete pillars and "I-beams"
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> GeekyAdam: again, think about the biological waste that would build up
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> zombies aren't attracted to piles of dead zombies
[20:52] <GeekyAdam> yes yes, the moat+PH levels or another cleaning solution would be necessary
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> I am thinking much more of the "Trash Compactor" Scene, except without any weird monstors
[20:52] <GeekyAdam> like, the whole ground floor opens up once a day and all carcuses fall in, and are chewed up and incinerated
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> yes
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> again these facilities would need some power
[20:53] <GeekyAdam> yeah, thats your problem
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> so the zombies would fuel the generator
[20:53] <MutantTurkey>  :)
[20:53] <GeekyAdam> solar wouldnt provide enough
[20:53] <GeekyAdam> ahhh
[20:53] <GeekyAdam> nice
[20:53] <jedijf> zombies eat new laptops
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: so excited.....
[22:18] <cythes> I feel so picked on... v.v *Cries 1's and 0's in the corner.
[22:21]  * TheEvilPhoenix goes back to shooting the horde of zombies that just appeared south of his bunker
[22:22]  * cythes is now a bubbling puddle on the ground each bubble that pops says a word "How could you!!!"
[22:24]  * TheEvilPhoenix reforms cythes using a molecular reconstruction device that also rewrites DNS
[22:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> DNA*
[22:24] <cythes> I am whole again....
[22:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> just without the zombie dna :P
[22:25]  * TheEvilPhoenix goes back to manning the plasma gun turrets
[22:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> DIE ZOMBIES!  DIE!!!!!!!!!
[22:28] <cythes> Should write a book... A giant collaborative book.
[22:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> about zombies?
[22:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[22:35] <cythes> Jah
[23:15] <MutantTurkey> freaking out now
[23:16] <MutantTurkey> i need to learn how to type
[23:19] <MutantTurkey> my typing speed is 29 wpm.
[23:21] <MutantTurkey> need to get this home row thing down
[23:21] <MutantTurkey> my right hand is severely crippled in typing, while my left hand has learned perfectly
[23:21] <MutantTurkey> :|
[23:25] <MutantTurkey> powertyping.com is awesome!
[23:32] <MutantTurkey> getting this who jkl; thing down
[23:32] <jedijf> A quick movement of the enemy will jeopardize six gunboats.
[23:33] <MutantTurkey> :|
[23:33] <MutantTurkey> turkey hunting boats?
[23:34] <jedijf> my old typing class speed sentence...all letters of the alphabet
[23:34] <jedijf> we used /typewriters/
[23:34] <jedijf> electric
[23:35] <GeekyAdam> The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs.
[23:35] <GeekyAdam> Five young explorers might have conquered the unknown jungles of Brazil.
[23:35]  * GeekyAdam is back from Panera, btw.
[23:38] <MutantTurkey> how did you find it?
[23:38] <GeekyAdam> ?
[23:39] <MutantTurkey> I mean, was it good
[23:39] <MutantTurkey> ?
[23:39] <MutantTurkey> gotta get that danged german grammer outta my head
[23:40] <GeekyAdam> it was magnifacent. you pick two combo with italian combo and broc+cheddar soup. same thing every time. lovelovelove.


[03:16] <diddledan> ebening
[03:18] <diddledan> time for some pillocks methinks
[03:18] <diddledan> yey for medications
[03:35]  * diddledan medicates and meditates
[06:51] <mapps> grmpf pc restarted
[09:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <diplo> Morning all
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:08] <popey> Morning!
[09:09]  * popey notes all ubuntu channels suddenly have people in again :)
[09:10] <diplo> heh, I rebooted my VPS a few days ago and forgot to restart irssi :P
[09:21] <diplo> willcooke: Are you about ?
[09:22] <willcooke> hi diplo, I am
[09:23] <diplo> aha, I recognised the name, funnily enough I found your blog last night
[09:23] <diplo> Looking into Home automation and after reading your blog in October it said you were following up with more :)
[09:23] <diplo> Very interested if you do :D
[09:23] <willcooke> oh cool!
[09:24] <willcooke> Yeah, I have loads of hacked up bits and bobs
[09:24] <diplo> Exactly the things I fancy doing is what you've already achieved
[09:24] <diplo> I'm going to start ordering some stuff this week to start learning/playing
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, happy New Year, and happy World Braille Day! 😃
[09:24] <willcooke> Most recently I got it hooked up to Siri with homebridge https://github.com/nfarina/homebridge
[09:24] <willcooke> if you have an evil iPhone
[09:25] <diplo> Nope, but again I want all sorts of integration
[09:25] <diplo> I think you were in the Mycroft channel at one point ?
[09:25] <willcooke> diplo, so as a start I would recommend going for remote controlled power sockets - they are the cheapest, most reliable, easiest and most flexible way to enable things
[09:26] <willcooke> Something like:  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maplin-5-Pack-Standby-Saving-Wireless-Sockets-Remote-Control-N38HN-/141848320386?hash=item2106d19982:g:pmsAAOSwNSxVa2EP
[09:26] <foobarry> does sony charge for ability to play mutliplayer games?
[09:26] <foobarry> on the PS4?
[09:26] <diplo> Sounds good, and a url - you are a star :D
[09:26] <willcooke> and then you can use the rcswitch library on both Arduino and RaspPi to control them,.
[09:26] <willcooke> I'd suggest writing a script to let you switch on and off sockets, then web-enable that with a simple REST API
[09:27] <willcooke> diplo, let me know if you have questions, happy to help
[09:27] <diplo> Yeah, defo will try that, little flask app or something sounds good, just installed https://home-assistant.io/
[09:28] <willcooke> ooh - I haven't see that project before, I will check it out
[09:28] <diplo> Will do thanks, do you use any of the Zigbee/Z-Wave kit? Didn't see anything on your site so far, seems you're using RF freq's instead
[09:29] <willcooke> I found them to be quite expensive
[09:29] <willcooke> for what they are
[09:30] <diplo> yeah, after my initial investigation I was the same, I guess that's why I was interested in your ideas :)
[09:30] <willcooke> but if you want to transmit data between two home-brew devices check out the NRF24 modules
[09:30] <diplo> Also looked at making some of my own kit, rather than buying pre bought stuff
[09:30] <willcooke> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1pc-NRF24L01-Antenna-Wireless-Transceiver-Module-SPI-For-Arduino-100M-/151930914258?hash=item235fc9c5d2:g:tfkAAOSwUdlWgTjl
[09:30]  * diplo opens a google doc for all this great info :)
[09:31] <diplo> Nice and cheap!
[09:31] <willcooke> If you're planning on building some sensors I'd suggest the Pro Mini Arduino clones.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pro-Mini-atmega328-Board-5V-16M-Arduino-Compatible-Nano-NEW-/181894982202?hash=item2a59c92a3a:g:nc4AAOSw3ydVvjim
[09:31] <diplo> I think I'm going to order a few bits in and experiment first
[09:32] <diplo> My ultimate goal for this was to make a thermostat and control my boiler remotely
[09:32] <diplo> But I want to start small and build up
[09:32] <diplo> andylockran has been doing something similar
[09:32] <willcooke> Typical UK boiler-thermostat set ups are pretty easy really.  It's just a couple of mains voltage switches
[09:33] <willcooke> so relays are ideal
[09:33] <willcooke> and can be easily controlled from a pi/arduino
[09:33] <diplo> yeah that's the part I'm totally lost in, was reading a few sites last night that gave me some ideas though
[09:34] <diplo> If I put together some info and how I expect to do it and stick it in a doc or something would you mind having a look over, want to work it out myself but would like an appraising eye if at all possible :) don't want to break things :P
[09:34] <willcooke> sure thing, no problem.  Just remember, mains voltage, dangerous, etc etc
[09:35] <willcooke> so, I dunno, you might want to wear some welly boots or something
[09:35] <diplo> heheh work for an Electrical Wholesaler, I get that a lot here :D
[09:35] <willcooke> ahhh, perfect
[09:35] <diplo> Unfortunately no electronics stuff, so ebay/amazon et all for me :/
[09:36] <willcooke> I think if I were to implement my heating controller again I wouldn't use a Pi.  It's overkill.  An ESP8266 and a dual-relay board would be sufficient.
[09:36] <willcooke> and then do all the smarts somewhere else
[09:36] <willcooke> (maybe a Pi)
[09:36] <diplo> I was asking here a week or so ago, going to get a soldering iron, any recommendations, they seem to be all over the place in price
[09:36] <willcooke> and keep the controller as a simple on/off device
[09:36] <diplo> Ah I was looking at those yesterday
[09:37] <willcooke> @ soldering iron - you can't go wrong with Antex
[09:37] <davmor2> just a heads up aldi are doing 2 32gb micro sd card for 12.99 :)
[09:37] <diplo> OK great thank you, a wealth of knowledge!
[09:37] <willcooke> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antex-Soldering-Iron-XS25W-230V-with-PVC-Cable-and-13A-Plug-/252090847897?hash=item3ab1c91299:g:F~MAAOSwLqFV9gJe
[09:37] <diplo> ta davmor2
[09:38] <willcooke> actually, no, that iron has a *massive* tip
[09:38] <willcooke> maybe this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antex-M12-12W-Soldering-Iron-230V-Silicone-Cable-British-Plug-S17J470-/380957780265?hash=item58b2da6929:g:NJEAAOSwv0tVJ37N
[09:38] <diplo> hah that was one of my questions to someone else, not knowing which to buy
[09:39] <willcooke> 12W will be enough for home-hacking
[09:39] <willcooke> that M12 one is the one I've got
[09:39] <willcooke> I sometimes wish I had a smaller tip, but not enough to go and buy one.
[09:39] <willcooke> they're easy enough to replace
[09:40] <diplo> OK great thanks again, think I'm going to order some bits, maybe some little leds and a bread board etc, start small, little web app to test and work my up
[09:40] <willcooke> awesome!
[09:40] <willcooke> Be warned though....
[09:40] <willcooke> once you start, it's really hard to stop :)
[09:40] <diplo> Wanted a project for a long time, get bored when my kids are with their mum
[09:41] <willcooke> suddenly everything needs to be an IoT device ;)
[09:41] <diplo> hah, well it's the mycroft that made my decision as I wanted to integrate all this stuff
[09:41] <diplo> Also the NEST stuff as well, so yeah I believe my house will turn the same way :)
[09:41] <willcooke> oh yes!  I can't wait to get my hands on Mycroft
[09:42] <willcooke> Nest looks nice, and is probably a similar cost to my homebrew one, after I factor in the time I spent on it
[09:42] <diplo> Yeah, but the time doesn't count as you're enjoying yourself ?
[09:42] <willcooke> ha, good point
[09:43] <diplo> And you're totally in control as well
[09:43] <willcooke> yeah, thats the main win for me
[09:43] <diplo> I'm no tinfoil hat person, but I also rather keep my data/connections internal or self hosted if I can
[09:43] <willcooke> totally agree
[09:44] <diplo> To that point I'm moving contacts etc away from google, will still use their services just not be dependant on them
[09:44] <willcooke> oh, if you do get a 433 MHz radio receiver (note: don't buy the really cheap ones, they are garbage)
[09:44] <willcooke> then a really simple project is getting a smoke alarm hooked up
[09:44] <diplo> OK, anything else use that spectrum ( not sure if that's the right word ) IE for interference ?
[09:44] <willcooke> you can buy off the shelf (ebay - China) alarm that will hook right in
[09:44]  * diplo is ashamed, I actually don't have *ANY* in my house currently
[09:45] <diplo> Well I have two in boxes that have never been setup
[09:45] <willcooke> it's a free for all spectrum, so it's very noisy, but the signals don't propagate a very long way
[09:45] <willcooke> so you'll be ok
[09:45] <diplo> ah ok, like that zigbee etc
[09:45] <willcooke> more or less
[09:46] <diplo> I think I'll do the LED's first, set up a controller receiver and turn on and off in different parts of the house
[09:47] <diplo> You've been a wealth of information, thanks willcooke ! Now I suppose after 2 weeks off I better actually do some work and then order all this stuff at lunchtime :)
[09:48] <willcooke> diplo, drop me an email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll send you some more links
[09:48] <diplo> Will do, thank you!
[09:48] <DJones> Heh, I like this, shows the police have a sense of humour http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35220682
[09:49] <diplo> Sent, did it now as I'll probably forget later
[09:50] <willcooke> cool, give me a few days to collate everything and I'll reply
[09:55] <diplo> Sure no rush, you've given me loads to start with, thanks again
[10:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: a cheeky one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYluMAO1b7Y
[10:36] <JamesTait> davmor2, your record player is on the wrong speed. 😉
[10:36] <JamesTait> Also not sure what it has to do with Braille, but wotevs. 😝
[10:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: the line "feel your way" :)
[10:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: told you it was cheeky :)
[10:38] <JamesTait> davmor2, tenuous at best....
[10:38] <JamesTait> But it's the first day back after two weeks off, so I'll cut you some slack. 😉
[10:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:08] <bashrc> morning
[11:12] <diplo> Whilst I'm asking questions today, anyone recommend a cheap / half decent UPS for a small business, only going to need to run a small nas / router / switch and be able to alert me in some way
[11:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: I guess there is Sam Fox and Touch me or aha and the sun always shines on tv (lots of touchy's in that ;) )
[12:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:56] <bigcalm> Glad I bought an Ubuntu phone way back when, even if I didn't use it afterwards. Managed to brick my android phone last night. Ubuntu phone to the rescue!
[12:59] <bigcalm> popey: is there a way to turn off all haptic feedback? As much as I've managed to disable, there are still instances where some apps use it
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> you always need a backup phone
[13:12] <ahayzen> bigcalm, have you toggled the "Other vibrations" switch in System Settings->Sound then right at the bottom?
[13:15] <bigcalm> ahayzen: yes, which killed off a lot of vibrations. But some apps are still buzzing at me
[13:16] <ahayzen> ugh, i seem to remember reading a bug somewhere about that :-/
[13:18] <ahayzen> bigcalm, which particular places continue vibrating?
[13:20] <ahayzen> bigcalm, seems it might be bug 1433590
[13:21] <bigcalm> ahayzen: Sudoku (by Ubuntu Core App Developers), the menu icon causes a buzz
[13:22] <ahayzen> bigcalm, OK, yeah i suspect it is that bug as there was a similar bug in clock (bug 1482282) which was then marked as a duplicate to the one above
[13:23] <bigcalm> ahayzen: ah, good. Glad that it's an known issue then
[13:24] <bigcalm> Thanks
[13:26] <ahayzen> no problem, looks like that is targeted for OTA10 :-)
[13:34] <bigcalm> Is it possible to have longer than 4 digit unlock codes? :)
[13:35] <bigcalm> Amusing that the current OTA is 8.5
[13:37] <popey> yes, you can set a passphrase
[13:37] <popey> of a longer length
[13:38] <popey> I would have preferred if the OTA was called 8½
[13:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can cut each digit into quarter if you tape x's to your glasses then you have 16 bits of numbers, otherwise use a password as popey says :)
[14:24] <diddledan> gooooood moooorning vietnam!
[14:24] <diddledan> I haven't seen that in agea
[14:24] <diddledan> ages
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> robin williams classic...
[14:28] <diddledan> so I may have some work around the corner for the new year (after the nice xmas present of losing my last job :-)
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> the commute will suit so...
[14:29] <diddledan> lol
[14:29] <bigcalm> Wakka wakka
[14:29] <diddledan> not what I meant :-p
[14:29]  * zmoylan-pi pictures diddledan turning up for work in pjs, slippers clutching half finished bowl of cornflakes...
[14:29] <diddledan> haha
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> penguin slippers...
[14:30] <diddledan> "around the corner" == coming soon
[14:30] <diddledan> TUX SLIPPERS?!
[14:30] <diddledan> :-op
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.amazon.com/Pillow-Pets-Penguin-Slippers-Small/dp/B007JN8CLK%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB007JN8CLK
[14:37] <zmoylan-pi> feck it, do the commute dressed that way... guaranteed to get a seat to yourself... :-)
[14:42] <diddledan> lol. well this new job will be remote (new boss is currently in Japan, and has been travelling the past 5 years)
[14:43] <diddledan> means I can sit in my dressing-gown :-p
[14:44] <diddledan> o_O perfect.org
[14:44] <daftykins> O_O
[14:45] <diddledan> ello daftykins
[14:46] <daftykins> hi sir
[14:46] <daftykins> HNY to thee
[14:47] <diddledan> danke
[14:47] <daftykins> mmm more phone surgery calls today, got a blackberry screen to go swap
[14:47] <diddledan> yeesh
[14:48] <daftykins> it amuses me that the ebay sellers sell the screens with the official logo but have to cover it with some gunk to avoid getting in trouble
[14:57] <popey> need to get a new screen for my mx4
[14:57] <popey> annoyingly hard to get the screen off the current device
[14:58] <popey> might take it to local phone shoppe and ask them to do it
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> get a coffee in neighbouring shop while you wait...
[15:04] <daftykins> :>
[15:04] <daftykins> i've heard of 3+ people that want iPhone 6 models sorted now, so careless these folk ;)
[15:05] <diddledan> daftykins, fix my shoot
[15:05] <zmoylan-pi> if you sit on public transport and look around you see a lot of smartphones in use with cracked screens
[15:05] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, yeah, I cringe
[15:05] <daftykins> diddledan: i was unaware your shoot was broken sir
[15:06] <diddledan> daftykins, fix everyone's shoot
[15:06] <davmor2> popey: what did you do to it
[15:06] <davmor2> popey: I'm not sure how you manage to destroy so many phones ;)
[15:07] <popey> I don't really
[15:07] <diddledan> davmor2, he doesn't destroy any higher percentage, it's just that he has so many more phones
[15:07] <popey> Expressed as a proportion of how many phones I have
[15:07] <popey> I cracked my 4s, cracked my nexus 4, and cracked my mx4
[15:07] <popey> PATTERN!
[15:07] <diddledan> 4's must be easily breakable
[15:08] <davmor2> popey: so no more 4's they're unlucky for you :)
[15:08] <popey> all just cracks, no catastrophes
[15:08] <diddledan> cat's ass trophy?
[15:09] <zmoylan-pi> some people are just careless... :-) https://www.facebook.com/1644487285840108/videos/1653632858258884/
[15:13] <daftykins> see i just find that guy stupid
[15:13] <daftykins> even though it's clearly staged :P
[15:13] <zmoylan-pi> i'm ok with that when there's pain involved... :-)
[15:14] <daftykins> still can't believe this blackberry screen was £8.50 o0
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> some of the parts for phones are peanuts, especially if they ordered millions and the sales never happened :-)
[15:15] <daftykins> must have come from the two Ronnies grocery store
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> fork handles?
[15:15] <daftykins> the very same
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> i still meet people who have never seen that...
[15:16] <diddledan> that guy is a mormon
[15:16] <zmoylan-pi> they're replaced stimulating beverages with raw leccy :-)
[15:18]  * diddledan stimulates
[15:19] <diddledan> ooh, I just remembered silent witness is on tonight
[15:19] <daftykins> that's an old one right o0
[15:19]  * diddledan like that show
[15:19] <diddledan> daftykins, new episodes
[15:20] <daftykins> what a gloomy day
[15:20]  * diddledan glooms
[15:20] <diddledan> is that a verb?
[15:22] <daftykins> pass
[15:25] <SuperMatt> google suggests yes
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> yeah... but an american site checking your english...
[15:43] <SuperMatt> I kind that google tends to be quite good at finding definitions because it sources them from multiple locations
[18:09] <diddledan> wow, mains voltage just popped over 251V
[18:09] <diddledan> my UPS had to switch into voltage-regulation mode
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> as if everyone had switched off the christmas tree at once... :-)
[18:15] <diddledan> and millions of voices all cried out
[18:16] <diddledan> and then disappeared
[18:16] <diddledan> were silenced**
[20:09] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:13] <brobostigon> evening MooDoo
[20:21] <diddledan> m00
[20:29] <popey> yo
[20:31] <diddledan> yoyo
[20:32] <diddledan> Guest84409, you broke it
[20:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r4xai3xjfx0ennk/AACXB79DA9gow6GTJOT5TQt4a?dl=0
[20:33] <daftykins> :D
[20:33] <daftykins> one disassembled blackberry
[20:34] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmhF1rqaZk
[20:46] <daftykins> odd, client texts to say he lost his broadband and dial tone... now it's mystically come back minutes later :D
[20:50] <andylockran> diplo - just seen your reference to me in your earlier conversation with willcooke
[20:51] <andylockran> at the moment going to work off running the third-party stuff via mqtt
[20:51] <andylockran> evening all
[21:03] <MooDoo> diddledan: bloody internet, virgin are being a bit pants lately
[21:04] <diddledan> yeah, my virgin box keeps disconnecting itself very regularly (sometimes every hour, but not predictable)
[21:04] <daftykins> if it's come in with the weather, wouldn't hurt to check your connections
[21:05] <andylockran> sky have been a bit dodgy on the ol' broadband over Xmas
[21:05] <andylockran> down about 5 hours between 24th and 3rd
[21:06] <MooDoo> it's been unbeleivable over the last few weeks, I'm hoping it's to do with all their upgrades
[21:07] <daftykins> could be
[22:27] <diddledan> no-one be sick on tuesday next week
[22:27] <diddledan> doctors are taking the day off
[22:28] <daftykins> D:
[22:28] <daftykins> but they can't!
[22:28] <dogmatic69> Damn, I already booked that day off sick.
[22:28] <diddledan> reminds of "Carry on at your convenience"
[23:01] <mapps> hewwwo
[23:02] <daftykins> o/
[23:03] <mapps> doctors always whining..but they know it long hours
[23:05] <mapps> and when they complain about pay...its just at the start the pay sucks?
[23:07] <mapps> i dislike striking.where does it end..give in then down the line..strike again
[23:07] <mapps> in any industry
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> striking is the workers way of been listened to
[23:09] <mapps> i get that, but if people give in whats to stop them doing it again
[23:09] <mapps> blackmail
[23:09] <mapps> i get its about being litened to and dont have an alternative ..but still
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> the only reason we have workers rights is because workers fought for them
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> there can and are strikes that seem selfish.  that's when the strikers lose public support.  makes the strike less successful if public are prepared to go elsewhere
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> except of course in industries that are monopolies or closed systems like medicine
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> but doctors and nurses are treated terribly for the most part.  until they get to the later stages of their career when they have more options
[23:12] <daftykins> *nod*
[23:12] <daftykins> i have a fair few mates that are docs
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen doctors and nurses essentially hallucinating from lack of sleep. and having to have their less tired colleagues help them out
[23:15] <daftykins> mmm i wouldn't even want to conduct surgery on a smartphone whilst sleep deprived ;)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> unless it was winphone.... :-P
[23:16] <daftykins> that's true!
[23:16] <daftykins> that'd be put down ;)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> the red headed step child of the phone industry...
[23:16] <daftykins> XD
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> maybe a better way would be that industries like medicine or monopolies should have a non striking clause like the police but be allowed a work to rule or other partial strike methods
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> i.t. is a weird industry as it is nearly totally ununionised.  and that is why bosses can get away with treating staff like crap.
[23:25] <mapps> work time;[
[23:25] <daftykins> yay work
[23:55] <NET||abuse> oh boy, trying to fix a 15.10 nvidia/optimus laptop which i tried using bumblebee on a while ago, i've just tried moving to the nvidia-355 and primus setup in the wiki. but it's not working :(
[23:55] <NET||abuse> I get into unity but i get a no decorations session
[23:55] <daftykins> seen lots of issues with that combo
[23:55] <daftykins> try purging all bumble* nvidia* and trying nvidia-346 with nvidia-prime
[23:55] <daftykins> which it should pull in auto due to deps
[23:56] <daftykins> always double check with the guest session to rule out user config quirks too
[23:56] <NET||abuse> hmm, will try that.
[23:58] <NET||abuse> ok, guest session worked
[23:58] <NET||abuse> how can i test what drivers etc are running?
[23:59] <daftykins> /var/log/Xorg.0.log would state what was fired up on boot
[23:59] <daftykins> no idea how to run something and work out what it's using though :(


[00:00] <dzho> I idle in there for months at a time, only to miss the one day that the information drops that is the reason I idle.
[00:03] <Unit193> Hah, oh well.  Need a ping when it happens?  I don't think it was firm.
[16:45] <thafreak> I wasn't 100% sold on any laptops on the market
[16:46] <thafreak> so I opted to upgrade the hp elitebook I have instead
[16:46] <thafreak> had to take the stupid keyboard off to get to one of the memory modules
[16:47] <thafreak> but anyway, replaced the hard drive with an SSD, so I don't feel like just imaging the old disk back on this new one
[16:47] <thafreak> so I'm thinking new install
[16:47] <thafreak> now comes the big decision
[16:47] <thafreak> 14.04...15.04...or jessie
[18:32] <dzho> sticking with older hardware is a wise choice I think
[18:33] <dzho> we're getting to the point where just pulling any old laptop-looking thing off the shelf and trying to install GNU/Linux on it is going to be an even dicier prospect than it has in the last decade.
[18:34] <dzho> the good news, maybe, is that this might drive business to vendors who support free software.
[19:53] <Unit193> paultag: You know how busy lfaraone is these days?
[20:01] <paultag> Unit193: busyish
[20:01] <paultag> Unit193: sup?
[20:02] <Unit193> paultag: It's unfreeze season, I was going to poke him about pianobar and pithos updates.  I'm sending you one too once it shows up on mentors. :D
[20:02] <paultag> :D
[20:02] <Unit193> ...Then two more to pkg-multimedia@
[20:52] <thafreak> paultag: you running jessie on your laptop?
[20:52] <paultag> ya
[20:53] <paultag> bbias
[21:30] <thafreak> it's cool...
[21:30] <thafreak> I think I'm going vanilla debian
[21:30] <thafreak> should be supported for quite a while right?
[21:31] <thafreak> awe nuts, my wireless requires non-free firmware :(
[22:12] <Unit193> You have mail. :P
[22:13] <thafreak> so...
[22:14] <thafreak> paultag: sup with no docker.io in jessie?
[22:14] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781865
[22:14] <jenni> [ #781865 - docker.io: release cycle is too fast for stable - Debian Bug report logs ] - https://j.mp/1GzeqM8
[22:14] <Unit193> Filed by, guess who? :P
[22:15] <thafreak> yeah, i figured it was him
[22:15] <thafreak> but it's not in jessie-backports yet either it seems :(
[22:15] <thafreak> paulllllltaaaaaaaggggggg
[22:16] <thafreak> I'm a needy user
[22:16] <Unit193> Eh, I kind of need to figure out uploading to backports it seems. :/