[00:00] <mbarnett> oh, sorry.
[00:00] <mbarnett> yeah, what he said!
[00:05] <maxb> Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Now I'm getting launchpad-bugs-owner "Your message was rejected" spam when I change code imports!
[00:05] <maxb> Pretty please, could someone kill that list :-)
[00:09] <lifeless> I think we should just remove it
[00:09] <lifeless> accept that we send too much mail
[00:09] <lifeless> and fix that
[00:09] <spm> so for example on the multiple tasks front. right now I am: eating son's birthday cake from yesterday; reading 4 irc channels watching a beta update happen on this workstation and pondering if I should read email as well; and seeing what nagios alerts I need to deal with in what order. but notice. cake 1st.
[00:09] <lifeless> someone should get consensus on that on the list
[00:10] <wgrant> lifeless: Just do it. No consensus.
[00:11] <wgrant> lifeless: If it is too spammy, make people fix the spam.
[00:11] <wgrant> Don't readd the address.
[00:11] <lifeless> wgrant: play well with others
[04:52] <ajmitch> wgrant: I've hearing from people that there are permissions issues on recipe builds (debian/control is 0700), is this known?
[04:54] <wgrant> ajmitch: Ugh, still?
[04:54] <wgrant> lamont: ^^
[04:54] <ajmitch> wgrant: yeah, latest build log for it was ~30 min ago, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68508015/buildlog.txt.gz if it helps
[04:55] <wgrant> Fail.
[04:55] <wgrant> ajmitch: Do you have an LP link for that?
[04:56] <ajmitch> https://code.launchpad.net/~george-edison55/+recipe/jethttp-daily
[04:56] <wgrant> Thanks.
[05:01] <lamont> ajmitch: that is correct.
[05:01] <lamont> wgrant: I'll have a diff for your review shorlty
[05:02] <ajmitch> lamont: ok, thanks :)
[08:43] <AfC> Is it possible for ISPs to set up mirrors of PPAs?
[08:44] <wgrant> AfC: We don't expose rsync or anything like that.
[08:44] <wgrant> It would be nice to have a mirror over here, though :(
[08:44] <AfC> I hadn't really noticed before, but today I'm sucking down something from a PPA that's 160 MB and that's going to add up.
[08:45]  * AfC was very happy to discover that the Fedora based LiveCD was mirrored on Internode because ftp.gnome.org is mirrored there (!)
[08:45] <wgrant> Internode is generally pretty good like that.
[08:45] <wgrant> And in lots of other ways too.
[10:35] <rdale_> I have two email addresses associated with my launchpad account. i've recently subscribed to the ayatana-dev mailing list. i would like to be able to both post and receive mails from my codethink account. but it seems if i try and send from my codethink account, the mails bounce. if i send from the gmail account it works fine, but the mails go to the codethink one. does anyone know how to get launchpad to work with a specific
[10:35] <rdale_> mail address if you have more than one?
[10:36] <lifeless> rdale_: in your +editmails page you can select the one you want mails to be sent to
[10:37] <lifeless> rdale_: you can send from any of your accounts, they get whitelisted automatically
[10:37] <rdale_> ok thanks - i tried to edit my details - but i couldn't find the editmails page - i'll have another look
[10:39] <lifeless> rdale_: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails
[10:43] <rdale_> thanks - i would have never worked that out :). i've changed it now
[11:18] <popey> lifeless: recall we conversed about private bugs, and how it's annoying if a person tags a public bug as being a dupe of a private bug?
[11:19] <popey> well, it's worse if apport retracing does it
[11:20] <popey> apport retracing service tagged bug 751714 as a dupe of bug 749660 which confused the initial reporter https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/751714/comments/3
[11:22] <lifeless> popey: yes; talk to pitti ;)
[11:23] <lifeless> we may need to refine 'private' into 'hidden' and 'contains confidential data', but thats a big hammer to use
[11:32] <fta> wgrant, hey, did you have a chance to catch a losa today? ;)
[11:40] <eugenesan> HI, why deleted PPAs still appear in list? Can I "revive" or create PPA with same name?
[11:43] <bigjools> eugenesan: no, as it says when you delete them, they are gone for good
[11:44] <bigjools> you currently cannot re-use them because the code to totally wipe them has not been written yet
[11:44] <eugenesan> bigjools: And name got blacklisted?
[11:44] <bigjools> sort of - it's still there, just hidden
[11:46] <eugenesan> bigjools: Very sad, when deleting, I was sure one day I'll able to reuse the name...
[11:49] <bigjools> eugenesan: it's not that simple because if people are using the PPA, then you delete it, and then fill it with packages again, the apt client will get very confused.
[11:51] <eugenesan> bigjools: by apt client you mean apt-get and co?
[11:52] <bigjools> yes
[11:55] <eugenesan> bigjools: Can you please provide an example? I can't see how confusion may happen...
[11:55] <bigjools> eugenesan: providing the same versions of files/packages with different contents will make apt silently fail
[11:56] <bigjools> which is why Launchpad doesn't let you upload conflicting files like that
[11:56] <bigjools> PPA deletion was implemented so people could rename their accounts
[12:00] <eugenesan> bigjools: I see. But I would take that minor risk.
[12:01] <bigjools> well, don't kid yourself that the files are the same
[12:01] <eugenesan> bigjools: Also, what is the chance of PPA being removed for some time and it's lists still stored on client?
[12:02] <bigjools> eugenesan: unless someone removed the packages, a very high chance ;)
[12:06] <eugenesan> bigjools: So problematic scenario is when installed package re-uploaded to "revived" PPA not being marked for upgrade correctly? That's all?
[12:07] <bigjools> eugenesan: no, corrupted installations
[12:09] <eugenesan> bigjools: I see. Thanks for explanation.
[12:09] <bigjools> welcome
[13:01] <mok0> Hm, what's going on here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/590714/
[13:04] <mok0> I'll try to upgrade it from LP
[13:05] <mok0> That takes a good while...
[13:10] <tsimpson> mok0: usually "bzr upgrade" does the trick
[13:18] <mok0> tsimpson: thanks!
[14:38] <lfaraone> So I just uploaded to lucid-proposed, and I wanted to push up my UDD bzr tree to the nonexistant lucid-proposed bit of Launchpad. Is it expected that I'd get an error like "bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', '<Fault -1: "Unexpected Zope exception: TypeError: (\'Could not adapt\', <SuiteSourcePackage ubuntu/lucid-proposed/python-gasp>, <InterfaceClass lp.code.interfaces.branchtarget.IBranchTarget>)">')"
[14:44] <tumbleweed> lfaraone: I've never bothered pushing to -proposed UDD branches if they don't already exist. (But that doesn't answer your question, and it would be nice to be able to. Also for sponsorship purposes)
[15:09] <jcsackett> lfaraone: the zope exception is not the sort of thing we generally want LP to throw back at users if something more informative can be thrown back. i think that's probably worth filing a bug.
[15:24] <geser> does that work now? I know that you can't create branches that way (only through uploads)
[15:29] <jcsackett> geser: you're referring to lfaraone's message above?
[17:20] <geser> jcsackett: yes, it wasn't possible to use "bzr push" to create a branch in -proposed (but one could "bzr push" to one already created through a former upload) but I don't know if it's still true or if it got fixed in between
[17:35] <bjf> i'm looking at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/730972  and trying to figure out from the LP api how to tell that the "Status tracked in Natty" for the "base" task 'linux (Ubuntu)'
[17:45] <jcsackett> bjf: you can see the other bugtasks for a bug via the related bugtasks; in this instance there's a related task for natty.
[17:52] <bjf> jcsacket, if there are multiple related tasks, how do you know which one the status is tracked in? bug #600453 for example
[17:54] <bjf> jcsackett, and bug 555943 has related tasks for 'linux (Ubuntu)' but it doesn't say "Status tracking in xxx"
[18:15] <jcsackett> bjf: good point, let me do some digging.
[18:22] <jcsackett> bjf: that status, "Status tracked in..." is a result of a something in lp called a conjoined bug, which basically says that one bug is the master bug of another, so everything gets tracked in it.
[18:22] <jcsackett> conjoined statuses don't appear to be exposed on the lp api.
[18:23] <bjf> jcsackett, ok, be nice to have but knowing i can't get to it via the api is also good to know
[18:23] <bjf> jcsackett, thanks for digging into it
[18:23] <jcsackett> bjf: you're welcome. :-)
[19:29] <bjf> jcsackett, if one wanted to email a "team", is there a "team" email address or would one get the "confirmed_email_addresses_collection" for a team and use those ?
[19:34] <jcsackett> bjf: probably best to get the teamowner, and use the preferredemailaddress.
[19:35] <bjf> jcsackett, would that just go to the team owner or all members of the team? i want to spam all members of the team.
[19:36] <jcsackett> bjf: why? it's fairly bad juju to spam an entire team.
[19:36] <bjf> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-sru-team
[19:36] <bjf> jcsackett, ^
[19:37] <bjf> jcsackett, we are working on a script that monitors certain bugs, if there are problems, we want to email the members of that team that something "bad" has happened
[19:37] <bjf> jcsackett, by using an LP team, kernel folks can add / remove themselves as they seem fit
[19:37] <james_w> bjf, would subscribing them to the bugs work? That generates an email, and is easy to do.
[19:37] <bjf> jcsackett, in reality, there should be very little email sent this way
[19:38] <jcsackett> bjf: see james_w's suggestion. it also might be easier to create a list and have your script email that.
[19:39] <bjf> jcsackett, i'm not sure how a mailing list is better/different
[19:39] <jcsackett> bjf: one email, don't need to poll for all emails, and people can be part of the team (and so see team bugs &c) without necessarily getting emails they don't want.
[19:40] <bjf> jcsackett, true
[19:42] <bjf> but i'm not convinced
[19:47] <jcsackett> bjf: so, AIUI, there isn't an attribute on a team to get all emails for the team members. you would need to go through the member collection and find the preferredemail of each member.
[19:47] <bjf> jcsackett, thanks for the info
[19:48] <jcsackett> bjf: is there a reason that having the team (or teammembers) subscribe to the bugs you're interested in doesn't fill your needs? that tends to send all updates to the bugs via email.
[19:49] <bjf> jcsackett, it's not about the bugs, it's about the automated process that is looking at the bugs and deciding that it requires human intervention
[19:50] <jcsackett> i see.
[19:51] <bjf> jcsackett, https://bugs.qastaging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/718732
[19:51] <bjf> jcsackett, we are trying to use a bug's "series" as a way to track "workflow"
[19:52] <bjf> jcsackett, use the url i posted not what the bot picked up
[19:53] <bjf> jcsackett, each "series"/task can be assigned to individual teams/users and tracked for progress and status
[19:53] <bjf> jcsackett, a "bot" is watching the bug and helps move things along from stage to stage and looks for "problems"
[19:54] <bjf> jcsackett, it's a "creative" use of LP :-)
[19:54] <jcsackett> :-P
[20:01] <niemeyer> Yo Launchpaders
[20:01] <niemeyer> I was just wondering.. are there any plans for branch commit web-hooks?
[20:02] <niemeyer> Or perhaps "branch push"
[20:02] <niemeyer> IOW, someone pushes changes, a URL is POSTed to
[20:02] <niemeyer> ?
[20:18] <lifeless> niemeyer: I want us to support pubsubhubbub across the system
[20:18] <lifeless> niemeyer: I don't know if that would do what you want?
[20:29] <niemeyer> lifeless: Hmmm, yeah, I think that would do it!
[20:33] <Ramindu> hello
[20:33] <lifeless> niemeyer: cool; its a fair way off, because we're still catching up on our tech debt (like performance)
[20:33] <Ramindu> is there anyone here who could help me with some LP translation questions?
[20:33] <lifeless> niemeyer: but I talk about it anytome someone mentioned events or hooks to me ;)
[20:34] <lifeless> Ramindu: just ask, I'm sure someone will know
[20:35] <Ramindu> I'm trying to implement a methodology where symbolic strings, e.g. _t('SEARCH_NAME') will get replaced by the translated string based on locale
[20:35] <Ramindu> but the help for LP translations states that only English strings can be used
[20:35] <Ramindu> is there no way to use symbolic strings and still have the LP translation system recognize them?
[20:36] <lifeless> sure
[20:36] <lifeless> I'm pretty sure though, that we won't ask english speakers to translate them on english.
[20:37] <lifeless> which would mean all your other users would reasonable translations (if they can figure out what your symbols mean), but english speaking (en_UK, en_US, en_AU, en_NZ) wouldn't.
[20:37] <lifeless> what you describe was one of the original intents of gettext, but its fallen out of practice
[20:38] <Ramindu> lifeless: thanks
[20:39] <Ramindu> so what would get displayed for translators would be the symbolic string, right?
[20:39] <lifeless> yes
[20:39] <lifeless> and no instructions on what its intent is !
[20:43] <niemeyer> lifeless: Sounds good :)
[20:44] <niemeyer> lifeless: It'd be nice to be able to know when different branches are pushed, so I'm not sure it's a perfect fit.  It'd depend on what a "feed" is
[20:47] <lifeless> indeed
[20:47] <lifeless> my idea is to make every object in lp have a length-one rss/atom feed
[20:47] <Ramindu> lifeless:thanks for the help
[20:47] <lifeless> with, like the json representations, mechanical serialisation of the visible objects and sensible related links
[20:48] <lifeless> Ramindu: sorry I couldn't be more helpful
[20:48] <Ramindu> I'm wondering about asking LP to take the EN_US.pot file
[20:48] <Ramindu> and create a mapping between the created *.po files
[20:49] <Ramindu> anyway, thanks a lot for you time
[20:49] <Ramindu> bye
[20:49] <lifeless> niemeyer: that length-one feed would let you create a subscription to any individual branch, and the existing collection-scoped feeds would let you detect new branches
[20:50] <lifeless> niemeyer: and if it would be useful to folk we could also create a historical feed for the branch (e.g. containing commits, or metadata changes, $whatever)
[20:51] <niemeyer> lifeless: Cool, sounds pretty nice
[20:51] <lifeless> first though, lp needs to get 100% faster :)
[20:52] <lifeless> our 99th percentile for backend renders is now 2s
[20:52] <lifeless> need to get it to 1s
[20:52] <niemeyer> lifeless: The model used here is pretty attractive: www.pubnub.com
[20:53] <niemeyer> lifeless: Might be worth some debate before settling on pshb
[20:53] <lifeless> I *love* their page layout
[20:53] <lifeless> thats awesome
[21:03] <lifeless> niemeyer: hmm, I like the level of glue it offers straight out of the box
[21:03] <niemeyer> lifeless: Yeah, it feels very comfortable/easy to deal with
[21:03] <lifeless> niemeyer: pretty awesome too, for public content
[21:03] <lifeless> niemeyer: OTOH, it requires their proprietary service
[21:03] <niemeyer> lifeless: Well, I'm not suggesting we should use it
[21:03] <lifeless> niemeyer: and that doesn't sit well with us
[21:03] <niemeyer> lifeless: Just the model
[21:03] <lifeless> (because we have private content)
[21:04] <niemeyer> lifeless: Feels very easy to have an in-house purpose-specific service with the same interface
[21:05] <niemeyer> lifeless: And not Launchpad specific!
[21:06] <lifeless> niemeyer: possibly... probably more development though (and pshb wouldn't be lp specific either)
[21:07] <niemeyer> lifeless: Sure.. it's a pretty different beast, though
[21:08] <lifeless> niemeyer: indeed, quite different use cases
[21:08] <lifeless> I could see using both in fact
[21:08] <lifeless> in some ways I like the anonymity of messages in the pubnub system
[21:09] <lifeless> much lighterweight than needing a url, which is heavierweight
[21:09] <niemeyer> It's also more useful for building UIs on top of..  feels like a pretty good general tool to have at hand.
[21:10] <lifeless> niemeyer: how similar is it to the thing you built in ls ?
[21:10] <lifeless> (in terms of model, ease of use, flexability)
[21:12] <niemeyer> lifeless: It's a bit orthogonal.. there's a very tight relation between the web page being viewed and the server state
[21:12] <niemeyer> lifeless: Landscape's system is awesome for updating UIs
[21:12] <niemeyer> lifeless: In a secure/fast way
[21:12] <niemeyer> lifeless: Not so much as a generic pubsub
[21:38] <Ampelbein> heya, for the buildjob http://pad.lv/bld/2433780 I can't access the corresponding logfile. The build was successful locally but apparently failed on LP and I wanted to know  why.
[21:49] <maxb> Could be that something went wrong with the builder, so no log was stored, perhaps? Probably best to wait for the amd64 build to happen, and if that succeeds, get the i386 one retried
[21:53] <ScottK> wgrant or lamont: I take it something 'bad' happened to the build farm?
[22:00] <lifeless> ScottK: there was a massive problem yesterday
[22:00] <ScottK> lifeless: Sure looks like one now too https://launchpad.net/builders
[22:01] <ScottK> And a couple of multi-hour KDE on armel builds that were ~almost done are now restarted.
[22:02] <lifeless> darn
[22:05] <lamont> gar
[22:06] <ScottK> Enjoy.
[22:08] <lamont> ScottK: that apparently was compliments of one of our ISPs (by some path)
[22:08] <lamont> time to go have fun with builders
[22:09] <lifeless> oh right
[22:09] <lifeless> we had cross-DC comms issues
[22:09] <lifeless> took LP down for about 20 seconds
[22:09] <ScottK> It would be nice if that didn't cause a 12 hour build job to die and have to start over.
[22:10] <lamont> ScottK: that's the best part of my pain... it didn't cause it to die.  it just caused it to start over, and I get to go kill it
[22:10] <ScottK> Sigh.
[22:11] <ScottK> Too bad just lettting it finish wouldn't work.
[22:11] <lamont> +6
[22:14] <lamont> how conveninent... all of the non-arm non-virtual builders were basically idle
[22:29] <reviczky> hi, i have a question about ppa's, im have a package that gets some images from the web during build-time, but it appears that the ppa build doesnt provide access to the internet, is that so?
[22:30] <lamont> very much so
[22:30] <lamont> there is no internet activity from the ppa builders
[22:30] <lamont> s/activity/access/
[22:30] <reviczky> i see, so i have to patch it and download it beforehand ...
[22:31] <lamont> yeah - it has to at least be in a ppa in launchpad
[22:32] <reviczky> right, thanks for the info


[00:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, thunar.
[00:05] <bluesabre> so
[00:05] <bluesabre> yes?
[00:08] <Unit193> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12264 contains no new patches, the PPA thunar crashes less though reports that it still crashes come from QA.  Is it useful enough to push it to yakkety, or should we drop from the PPA?
[00:09] <bluesabre> I think it sounds like something we should include
[00:09] <bluesabre> let's get a +1 to push to yakkety from flocculant and then go for it
[00:09] <Unit193> ACK.
[06:08] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - well it appears to be *better* than thunar without the patches, bit devil and the deep blue sea though
[06:26] <flocculant> davmor2: bug 1583009
[06:26] <flocculant> so now I have no virt manager working \o/ (though the kvm from command works still :p)
[06:49] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - which is +1ish :)
[08:21] <davmor2> flocculant: it's almost like you are running an in development in flux OS with bug reports like that ;)
[10:45] <flocculant> davmor2: \o/
[10:48] <davmor2> flocculant: yet another reason to use kvm or quem direct no additional libraries that might be broken :)
[10:49] <flocculant> well
[10:49] <flocculant> afaik the idea with -proposed was so things didn't break :)
[10:51] <davmor2> flocculant: ha ;)
[10:52] <flocculant> on the other hand - I've not passed one of our images for weeks - so no real need for anything to test them with :D
[10:54] <davmor2> flocculant: to be honest until a month in there tends to be too much imported at will to have something break from a fresh install it tends to be upgrades that don't break
[10:54] <flocculant> yea
[11:09] <flocculant> though ubiquity issues tend to be just that :)
[11:21] <flocculant> Unit193: core installs (have to continue past the ubi-console bug that the normal images for everyone are seeing)
[11:22] <flocculant> so if you saw that ubi-console thing and thought it just the core iso - it isn't - it's all iso's
[17:39] <flocculant> evening
[17:40]  * knome burps promptly as a response
[17:43] <flocculant> that'll be IRC prompt then :p
[17:44] <knome> yes
[17:44] <flocculant> :)
[18:15] <flocculant> davmor2: so even if I *am* running the ridiculously in flux dev os - arges is still looking at it :p
[18:16] <davmor2> hahahahaha
[18:58] <flocculant> davmor2: and .... "I can reproduce this bug." :p
[19:00] <davmor2> flocculant: I didn't say it wasn't a bug I just said if you will insist on using bleeding edge unstable stuff ;)
[19:04] <flocculant> :p
[19:05] <flocculant> davmor2: somewhere round about 8.10 for bleeding edge unstable stuff
[19:05] <flocculant> :)
[19:06] <davmor2> flocculant: well it's 8:06 now so that is abour right :P
[19:06] <flocculant> \o/
[19:06] <davmor2> about even :D
[19:06] <flocculant> buying lotto ticket
[20:07] <ochosi> evening all
[20:08] <flocculant> hi ochosi
[20:09] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[20:09] <ochosi> what's new?
[20:09] <ochosi> i don't get to read a lot of what's going on here during the day, so i'm always hoping for someone to give me a brief summary
[20:09]  * ochosi is lazy
[20:09] <flocculant> not much - you?
[20:09] <ochosi> trying to finalize my port of xfce4-clipman
[20:09] <ochosi> to gtk3
[20:09] <ochosi> not too much missing
[20:09] <ochosi> tried to do that as a project to get me back to development a bit
[20:10] <flocculant> about the only new thing is bluesabre/unit193 putting the ppa thunar in yak
[20:14] <ochosi> ok, read about that
[20:15] <flocculant> ochosi: don't know about anything else
[20:15] <flocculant> other than you keep not "ACTION: ochosi to schedule next meeting"
[20:15] <flocculant> :p
[20:17] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure what we can do with thunar tbh - while the patches make it better, I can still crash it
[20:29] <ochosi> yeah
[20:29] <ochosi> thunar is a bit problematic
[20:29] <ochosi> oh crap, sry about the meeting
[20:29] <ochosi> i'll schedule one tonight
[20:29] <ochosi> (not: for tonight)
[20:30] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[21:51] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:52] <knome> lla gnineve
[21:52] <bluesabre> hi
[21:54] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[21:55] <knome> rebaseulb yeh!
[21:55] <knome> er- too
[21:55] <knome> funny
[21:55]  * ochosi just finished porting xfce4-clipman to gtk3
[21:55] <ochosi> phew
[21:55] <knome> thunar next!
[21:55] <knome> :Ð
[21:55] <ochosi> so now i have time for more mundane tasks again, like scheduling meetings
[21:55] <knome> le sigh
[21:55] <knome> :)
[22:00] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[22:00] <bluesabre> emonk yeh!
[22:00]  * ochosi missed all the new trends
[22:00] <bluesabre> ochosi: well done!
[22:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: well test before you praise ;)
[22:01] <ochosi> it builds and it seems to work as far as i can tell
[22:01] <bluesabre> :)
[22:01] <ochosi> that's about it :D
[22:02] <bluesabre> I'll try to check it out tonight
[22:04] <ochosi> great, thanks!
[22:07] <bluesabre> dinner time, bbl
[22:09] <ochosi> bon appetit!
[22:09] <ochosi> (that's french for... eh, nothing?)
[22:09] <knome> that's french for bon appetit
[22:09] <knome> !
[23:10] <bluesabre> :o
[23:23] <knome> wut?


[07:44] <sagaci> Hi
[12:15] <sagaci> Hi
[12:16] <head_victim> Gday
[12:17] <sagaci> Looking forward to lca'
[12:17] <head_victim> Yeah, will be my first
[12:17] <sagaci> Same here
[12:19] <head_victim> Coming on Monday night?/
[12:19] <sagaci> I've circled my timetable with the sessions i'm going to
[12:19] <sagaci> For?
[12:20] <head_victim> The ubuntu-au meetup
[12:20] <sagaci> Yeah i guess so, where and when?
[12:21] <head_victim> Well I had thought the pancake manor would be good because it was close to the venue. No idea now, we can still go there I guess as most people will be staying close
[12:23] <sagaci> Yeah, so monday night?
[12:25] <head_victim> Yep I was going to confirm with them tomorrow that they aren't under 2 foot of mud though just ot be sure
[12:25] <head_victim> I don't think they'll be affected where they are but no harm in checking
[12:28] <sagaci> Isn't omgubuntu on monday too
[12:29] <head_victim> The only thing I saw was the lca mailing list saying it would probably be tuesday.
[12:29] <head_victim> Hadn't heard anything about it before or after that
[12:30] <sagaci> Ah ok
[12:30] <head_victim> I find it hard to go to that website. It really makes me cringe.
[12:32] <sagaci> Why, sensational crap?
[12:32] <head_victim> The content and also just the name.
[12:33] <sagaci> I like some of their every now and then tips
[12:34] <sagaci> Display your real name in memenu, etc
[12:35] <head_victim> Ah I don't use social media though so I'm probably not the target audience for a lot of their work.
[12:38] <head_victim> Should we just combine the 2?
[12:39] <sagaci> Don't know
[12:40] <sagaci> Don't think so
[12:45] <head_victim> Fair enough, well I was thinking I'd just make out way somewhere after monday's scheduled events. Early enough we can get to know a few people before the conference ends.
[12:46] <head_victim> The pancake manor was close enough (still is to most of the accomodation) and had half decent food, is still licensed but not completely overrun by loud music and drunken bums (at least until we arrive)
[12:46] <sagaci> Yeah, what miniconfs are you looking to go to?
[13:18] <head_victim> Well from what I can tell Monday I'll probably flit around a bit, Tuesday will be 90% sys admin.
[13:24] <sagaci> Thinking multimedia and music and freedom in the cloud then open in the public sector
[13:29] <head_victim> Yeah still a bit "TBA" though
[15:33] <nigelb> hrm, far less people here than I'd have thoguht there would
[15:33] <nigelb> and imbrandon isn't here anyway :|
[15:33] <nisshh> nigelb, hello! :)
[15:34] <nigelb> hey nisshh
[15:34] <nigelb> you're up early or still up?
[15:34] <nigelb> isn't it like /really/ late down there?
[15:34] <nisshh> nigelb, we arent the biggest loco, many of our members dont come into the IRC channel :)
[15:34] <nisshh> yeah midnight :)
[15:35] <nisshh> im still up
[15:35] <nisshh> not early
[15:35] <nigelb> oh
[15:35] <nigelb> only midnight
[15:35] <nisshh> lol
[15:35] <nigelb> that's not late :D
[15:35] <nisshh> "only midnight" he says :)
[15:36] <nigelb> I sleep mostly at 2-ish ;)
[15:36] <nisshh> heh
[15:36] <nisshh> i dunno when im going to sleep tonight
[15:36] <nisshh> whenever i calm down and am no longer annoyed i suppose :)
[15:37] <nisshh> nigelb, so your looking for imbrandon?
[15:37] <nigelb> nisshh: yeah
[15:37] <nisshh> the nick rings a bell, is he in australia is he?
[15:37] <nigelb> either .au or .nz
[15:37] <nigelb> not sure which
[15:37] <nisshh> heh
[15:38] <nisshh> nigelb, try nz, unless he just isnt here at the moment, i dont see his nick in my 3 days of scrollback
[15:40] <nigelb> I'm in both channels
[15:40] <nigelb> not in either of them
[15:40] <nisshh> ah ok
[15:40] <nigelb> mail :)
[15:41] <nisshh> nigelb, hang on a sec, im checking with some of the other loco members to see if they have ever seen him in here
[15:42] <nigelb> \o/
[15:42] <nisshh> nigelb, how do you know he is in au or nz?
[15:42] <nigelb> nisshh: vague memory
[15:42] <nisshh> ah ok
[15:44] <nigelb> gah
[15:44] <nigelb> not even US loco
[15:44] <nisshh> nigelb, had someone grep their IRC logs of the last 15 months, no mention of that nick
[15:44]  * nigelb facepalm
[15:45] <nigelb> my vague memory isn't enough
[15:45] <nisshh> heh
[15:45] <nigelb> He's US loco :|
[15:45] <nisshh> he is?
[15:47] <nigelb> yeah, apparently
[15:47] <nigelb> my vague memory was wrong
[15:47] <nisshh> heh


[09:31] <BenC> wow, xchat just blew away the rest of the topic :/
[09:48] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[10:49] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[10:53] <BenC> mjg59: hey, can you tell me exactly what in the nsc/irda changes in -25 broken suspend/resume?
[10:54] <BenC> is it something I need to fix, or did acpi have a workaround that didn't work anymore?
[10:56] <mjg59> Previously, nsc-ircc oopsed on modprobe so we couldn't rmmod it
[10:57] <mjg59> Now, if you rmmod it, the pnp_bus_suspend stuff blows up
[10:57] <mjg59> Looks like it doesn't unregister itself correctly
[10:57] <BenC> ok, I'll take a look at that
[10:59] <BenC> great, 2.6.17 released code bombs on ppc build :/
[10:59] <BenC> easy to fix, but stupid
[10:59] <ajmitch> how annoying
[11:02] <BenC> oh wait...that's an issue with the swsusp patch
[01:52] <zul> heylo
[02:39] <zul> hey BenC
[02:40] <BenC> hey
[02:41] <zul> how is it going?
[02:57] <BenC> it's going
[02:57] <zul> good
[03:06] <ajmitch> hey zul, BenC
[03:06] <zul> hey ajmitch
[03:07] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[03:07] <BenC> hey aj
[03:09] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[03:09] <BenC> mjg59: do you have any comments on suspend2?
[03:10] <mjg59> Crack
[03:10] <BenC> bad crack or good crack?
[03:10] <mjg59> Evil crack
[03:10] <BenC> I can't help but notice the number of ppl who claim that it works for them when current kernel suspend doesn't :)
[03:10] <mjg59> There's no functional difference
[03:11] <mjg59> There's also no way they could patch the Ubuntu kernel with it
[03:11] <mjg59> The driver suspend/resume calls are identical
[03:11] <BenC> == dapper kernel, right?
[03:11] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:12] <BenC> one thing I wondered about was the compression
[03:12] <mjg59> If it works and our suspend to disk doesn't, it's almost certainly configuration differences
[03:12] <mjg59> We can get compression with uswsusp
[03:12] <BenC> seems like an aweful useful feature
[03:12] <mjg59> And also integrate that with usplash
[03:12] <BenC> so I should just ignore the crack?
[03:12] <Mithrandir> mjg59: how far out is uswsusp?  (Time-wise)
[03:12] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:12] <mjg59> uswsusp is integrated, isn't it?
[03:12] <mjg59> I thought it made 2.6.17
[03:13] <Mithrandir> that'd be neat.
[03:13] <BenC> mjg59: Ok, thanks
[03:13] <Mithrandir> I should make sure to make the live cd not only being able to suspend to disk, but suspend to network too, then
[03:13] <Mithrandir> but, I'll nap for a bit.  Headache.
[03:13] <mjg59> http://suspend.sourceforge.net/
[03:20] <BenC> mjg59: When will our userspace make use of that?
[03:21] <zul> cd /usr/local/tomcat/
[03:21] <zul> oops...sorry
[03:21] <mjg59> BenC: Once someone has a small amount of time? :)
[03:30] <zul> BenC: when is the next dapper upload going to happen?
[03:30] <zul> and the second question do you want me to take care of it :)
[04:29] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[04:41] <fabbione> BenC: can you please pull from my dapper branch?
[04:41] <fabbione>   Changes by Fabio M. Di Nitto
[04:41] <fabbione>   * Add sata_mv to sata-modules udeb if available.
[04:41] <fabbione> and if you can cherry pick the same change into edgy it would be wonderful
[04:47] <zul> yay...i have been confirmed for the xen conference
[04:50] <BenC> fabbione: ok
[05:31] <BenC> fabbione: Got your change and pulling to edgy to
[06:34] <dem> any plans to itegrate the the ahci ACPI suspend/resume patches
[11:45] <zul> hey
[11:58] <dem> key


[20:59] <Logan> Unit193: I'm gonna do a diffoscope between libtorrent-rasterbar (1.0.7-1build2) and a new no-change rebuild to try to pin down what's changing
[20:59] <Logan> if that's truly what fixes the issue
[21:03] <Unit193> Rebuilt the 15th and it's still not popping up..
[21:13] <Logan> Unit193: better yet, can you just pop me over DEBs so I can investigate? I didn't realize this is a 26-minute build :|
[21:13] <Logan> (is it in one of your PPAs?)
[21:14] <Unit193> It isn't, I only built 32bit.
[21:15] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/source/
[21:16] <Logan> why are you building i386 packages? :(
[21:16] <Unit193> Likely because the system I built for is i386, but I could be wrong.
[21:20] <Logan> Unit193: I uploaded because whatever
[21:22] <Unit193> Hah, so much for finding what went wrong.  Thanks a lot for the fixes. \o/
[21:27] <Unit193> Hmm, seems sponsoring/ is down.
[21:27] <Unit193> (No, just took waaay too long.)


[17:32] <Scary_Guy> Anyone know where I can find the navi10_mes.bin firmware?  It seems not to exist but my kernel really wants it with the latest upgrade in Debian.
[20:55] <jrwren> TIL: sudo apt install systemd-container ; machinectl list
[21:24] <brian__> Looks interesting. How well does it work in practice?
[23:17] <jrwren> i've no idea.
[23:17] <jrwren> something to look into later.


[02:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:25] <Oxfuxxx_> Hi.
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> morning Oxfuxxx_
[10:56] <TJ-> away
[11:01] <TJ-> Does apt have a parallel download add on? something said yesterday made me think we have all this parallel processing now but the package downloads are mostly serialised, when apt could be fetching from multiple mirror servers at the same time
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> sounds like something the mirror guys could answer TJ-
[11:11] <TJ-> I doubt it; probably juliank
[11:24] <TJ-> hmmm, debootstrap failing early without errors, after successfully downloading packages but has Packages file named as debootstrap.invalid_dists_bionic_Release and so on :s
[11:28] <TJ-> ahh, that isn't a bug, that's part of how it names the manually fetched Package/Release files; so what's going on!?  It is extracting the base packages (including dpkg) but the files aren't in the file-system!!)
[11:44] <TJ-> hmm! "no entry data.tar.gz in archive" doing "ar -p /path/to/base-files....deb data.tar.gz"
[11:46] <TJ-> ohhh! they're .xz not .gz inside the .deb file
[11:46] <TJ-> "ar -t /path/to/file.deb" reports content
[12:07] <TJ-> solved those by manually using ar, unxz, tar to extract base-files, dpkg, core-utils, libc6 ...only to hit "FATAL: kernel too old"
[12:09] <daftykins> just what are you up to? :D
[12:09] <daftykins> or what are you cooking up today?
[12:12] <TJ-> exploring ways to do a side-by-side 18.04 install on a 10.04 install. User in #linux brought the issue to us last week. Has an isolated 10.04 PAE with 10GiB RAM required to run old proprietary enterprise software. Can't do a VM, tool old to do proper containers, so I'm exploring if we can get a chroot 18.04 alongside that they need to run more modern tools
[12:13] <TJ-> So I've got a Pentium3 with 10GiB RAM VM guest with 10.04 i386 on it and figuring it out
[12:13] <daftykins> sheesh sounds like a mess of a scenario that only employment can present
[12:15] <TJ-> it's quite fascinating
[12:15] <TJ-> I've told debootstrap to fetch the 18.04 kernel packages; now I'm manually extracting those on the host and installing them there; A reboot should then solve the issue
[12:25] <TJ-> that did it; 10.04 with 4.15 kernel now
[12:26] <daftykins> have you learnt what their funky enterprise software does?
[12:27] <TJ-> internal custom ERP tied to some specialised equipment
[12:27] <daftykins> and money is the barrier to an upgrade to modernise the platform perhaps?
[12:28] <TJ-> if systems work there's no need to replace them
[12:28] <TJ-> this modern fascination with constantly replacing something that works fine is an abberation
[12:29] <daftykins> aside from those cases when something is full of holes perhaps
[12:30] <TJ-> When you've got equipment that had a CapEx of > £500k you're not going to scrap it just so an attached PC can upgrade software to stuff you don't need
[12:30] <daftykins> yeah that makes sense, obviously don't know the full story here - doesn't make it any less of a pig to handle
[12:31] <TJ-> it's not a pig; good to exercise the brain cells and realise how much we break things
[12:31] <TJ-> this kind of knowledge is invaluable for data recovery, forensics, and so on
[12:32] <TJ-> thank goodness I can do it on a VM :)
[12:32] <daftykins> well it's more difficult and not straightforward, that's what i meant by pig
[12:33] <TJ-> It makes me want to get my 2003 era Sony Vaio notebooks that have a max of 384MiB RAM running; they ran Windows XP brilliantly; I recall sitting in Starbucks branches in the USA and video-conferencing back to my UK offices when they had problems without an issue.
[12:34] <TJ-> SRX-51P SRX-41P I think are the model nymbers. Cost aroudn £2k each at the time, were the bees knees
[12:35] <daftykins> me and my wealthy client used to really like their ultraportable range back then
[12:36] <TJ-> Yes; I still have then and all the extras in crate; been loathe to throw them away
[12:36] <TJ-> would be interesting to see what I can get them to do..will need to replace the battery cells I bet.
[12:37] <TJ-> thankfully removable battery packs with regular sized cells inside, not LiPo packs
[12:37] <TJ-> I'll try installing Edgy or Feisty on them :)
[12:40] <daftykins> a client says i can have this beast the next time i drop by! https://i.imgur.com/cxhYYVf.jpg
[12:41] <TJ-> is that one of the PCG- range?
[12:41] <daftykins> yep
[12:42] <TJ-> wow, can get new batteries for the SRX51p still for under £30
[12:42] <daftykins> ok found the original shots, PCG-N505SN
[12:42] <TJ-> very surprised
[12:43] <TJ-> I've still got a Toshiba PDA from late 90s that I used to have for SatNav and other stuff, with a CompactFlash GPS card
[12:43] <TJ-> and it still snappier than modern 'smart' phones
[12:44] <daftykins> :D i've just boxed up my Psion Series 3c to send to a YouTuber, Neil from RMC
[12:45] <TJ-> I regret scrapping several Silicon Graphics workstations
[12:45] <TJ-> but they were massive, heavy, and just darn great paperweights
[12:45] <TJ-> plus they had to have CRTs
[12:47] <daftykins> ah there are tonnes of funky mods for old systems now, to take old analog output and have even low end Pi's process them and spit out over HDMI, pretty neat
[12:47] <TJ-> I did buy a convertor for those but it never worked correctly,even to VGA
[12:48] <TJ-> Those SG Indy's had very unusual video outputs
[12:51] <daftykins> i wanted my Dad to dig out the old Apple II and Amiga to see if they still run, but he seems reluctant
[12:52] <TJ-> Here's an annoying issue. Because I'm manually extracting .debs to get it to a state where chroot will work to do the rest, the /var/lib/dpkg/status isn't being update. I /know/ I wrot a tool to do this years ago... but no idea where to find it!! Got to rewrite it
[12:52] <TJ-> I've still got my 1st Sinclair ZX81 from 1981 and it works
[12:53] <daftykins> hrmm
[12:54] <daftykins> yeah i presume neither had an RTC back then so there may be no batteries to have leaked and ruined them
[13:15] <TJ-> rebuildoing dpkg/status is easy; "echo '' > ./empty";  "ar -x path/to/.deb control.tar.{xz,gz}"; "tar -xf control.tar.{xz,gz}"; then "cat ./control empty >> ./var/lob/dpkg/status" (./empty file makes the blank line between each package entry in 'status')
[15:23] <escanor> good name eric
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/pdz0pd/i_was_an_avid_ubuntu_user_since_gutsy_gibbon/
[19:29] <TJ-> well! nice to find out I broke my router's boot config :D
[19:31] <daftykins> nothing is safe at TJ HQ!
[19:33] <TJ-> hehehe ! router started playing up earlier somehow broken Path MTU/MSS - still not sure if it was underlying Starlink issue or not (not tested yet) but rebooted router as a 'quick' test to find it got stuck at grub rescue> and there was no ($prefix)/boot/
[19:34] <TJ-> turns out, a couple weeks ago when I created the 'power-cut-proof' LUKS PXE reboot, and added a DRDB layer in betwen luks and the file system I neglected to configure it so GRUB could still read the files
[19:35] <TJ-> luckliy I'd copied /boot/ to /boot_orig/ and was able to alter the prefix and paths to vmlinuz/initrd.img to boot-strap it
[19:35] <TJ-> drat! MTU issues still
[19:36] <Bashing-om> But TJ- Can Do It ! :D
[19:36]  * TJ- isn't so sure!
[19:37] <TJ-> this path-MTU issue is VERY weird; only started earlier this afternoon; been fine for months
[19:39] <Bashing-om> When all else fails: Read the logs :P
[19:39] <TJ-> There's a wireguard tunnel over Starlink to a datacenter server where our Internet gateway is. Tunnel only carries IPv6. MTU on tunnel is 1420. On router's tunnel ingress got an ip6tables rule to clamp MSS to path MTU which means clients here doing TCP learn the correct MSS via ICMP messages when they send the initial SYN packet and get the first ACK back
[19:41] <TJ-> but suddenly that 1420 is causing failures; I've had to manually reduce it on my laptop to 1360 to get it to work. On the router where it is still 1420, TCP connections time out
[19:44] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Males one wonder what is configured at the distant end datacenter server :(
[19:47] <TJ-> I'm just wondering that myself. It's Linode London. I've just noticed the initial SYN from my local router sets MSS=1360 (weird since I've not set that on the router, only on my laptop, so it must have 'learned' it due to packets from my laptop being forwarded through) then the resulting SYN,ACK has MSS=1440 ! That's 20 larger than the interface that packet is arriving from (the public link
[19:47] <TJ-> eth0 MTU=1420)
[20:07] <TJ-> and its now fixed itself; looks like a temporary glitch inside Linode network
[20:12] <Bashing-om> \o/
[20:15] <TJ-> Apparently it can be a sign of DDoS mitigation where, when the hoster/ISP network is under attack, they trasparently tunnel the traffic through a DDoS scrubber like Cloudflare
[20:16] <TJ-> and such tunnel would reduce the MTU but presumably they force-set the TCP MSS which is why I saw 1440 on incoming packets and that ewas larger than my 1420 and those packets got dropped when trying to enter my wireguard tunnel
[20:17] <TJ-> IPv6, unlike IPv4, doesn't allow packet fragmentation so it (should) send an ICMPv6 Destination Unreachable (Packet too big)


[08:51] <daxroc> Morning all
[09:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:58] <dueyfinster> czajkowski: hola
[16:58] <czajkowski> dueyfinster: howdy
[16:58] <dueyfinster> czajkowski: quick response almost like a bot haha
[16:59] <czajkowski> :(
[16:59] <davisc> dueyfinster: A bot can spell correctly :-)
[16:59]  * davisc ducks
[16:59] <dueyfinster> davisc: true true :)
[17:00] <dueyfinster> Just messing about with irssi, wondering why I never bothered to use it before
[17:03] <czajkowski> :(
[17:03] <czajkowski> davisc: git
[17:03] <czajkowski> davisc: you coming to fosdem next week
[17:03] <davisc> Nope
[17:03] <czajkowski> :(
[17:05] <czajkowski> davisc: terran http://armynavymatch.org/
[17:06] <terran> that's not until May!
[17:06] <terran> I can't think that far ahead
[17:07] <czajkowski> ticket sell out fast
[17:07] <czajkowski> just of a FYI
[17:07] <czajkowski> fun weekend


[06:33] <arussel> I'm having this error: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 64-bit SWT libraries on 32-bit JVM when starting eclipse on karmic. Can anyone help ?
[06:33] <arussel> I'm on amd64
[06:36] <lifeless> try removing the 32 bit java shim
[06:42] <arussel> lifeless: what do you mean bay shim ?
[06:43] <arussel> I used to find ia32 java packages that are very usefull for running gwt eclipse plugin. Has it been removed ?
[06:49] <arussel> lifeless: got it to work, thanks. Where is my beloved java-update-alternatives gone ?
[07:00] <arussel> removing the ia32 jvm allows to start eclipse, but I need to have both 32 and 64 bit jvm on my machine (I had both for java 5 and 6 on previous ubuntu). Is there a way to do this with karmic ?
[07:02] <lifeless> arussel: I'm not sure sorry
[07:03] <arussel> np :-)


[00:50] <MiChael420> whats up how do i get compiz to work correctly
[00:50] <MiChael420> last time i tried it ook my menu bar and everything away and i had to reformat
[00:50] <MiChael420> took*
[02:09] <Guest10838> I would like to single-click desktop icons to open them.
[02:19] <angelorosa> folks, how many RAM memory xubuntu need to work fine?
[02:52] <xubuntu413> whatmeens logged?
[03:23] <gharz> Guys, if i download the xubuntu fr the ubuntu site, does the xubuntu comes with wubi? This is why i love ubuntu coz of wubi.
[03:24] <gharz> Anyone?
[03:25] <holstein> gharz: im nost sure if xubuntu has wubi or not, but you can download normal ubuntu *with* wubi, install, and then convert to xubuntu easily :)
[03:26] <gharz> holstein, i can complete remove the gnome files and it can be purely xfce system?
[03:26] <holstein> you can do whatever you like
[03:26] <holstein> wont be much gnome in there AFAIK
[03:27] <gharz> holstein, AFAIK.
[03:27] <gharz> Afaik?
[03:27] <holstein> as far as i know
[03:27] <gharz> Ok thanks
[03:27] <holstein> the normal ubuntu doens use gnome, so i doubt its there
[03:27] <holstein> but, try the xubuntu live CD anyways... if it doesnt have wubi, you got options
[03:28] <gharz> Ok thanks holstein
[03:28] <holstein> i seem to remember just getting the wubi.exe once and using the iso i wanted
[03:28] <holstein> that would have been in the 8.x or 9.x's though
[03:29] <gharz> Really? I can just use wubi... I will check the wubi site and check how to do it if in case xubuntu doesnt come with wubi. Huge thanks!!!!!
[03:51] <sparkle33> Hi, I'm trying to install Xubuntu but I get an error, ubi-partman failed exit code 141. I googled a solution and it says the bug was fixed, but I'm still getting it. Help?
[03:53] <holstein> sparkle33: i would probably just try the other installer... the alternate
[07:13] <asterismo> hi
[07:14] <asterismo> i have a question about XFCE menu
[07:14] <asterismo> there is an icon missing
[07:14] <asterismo> the education menu icon
[07:14] <asterismo> any ideas how to fix it? i found that is a known bug and i
[07:14] <asterismo> try to fix it but with no luck
[07:19] <asterismo> anyone?
[12:00] <zoghome> I have installed Xubuntu on an older laptop where the onboard wifi only supports WEP.. I have a USB wifi adapter that supports better crypto, how do I force it to use the USB wifi and not the onboard one?
[12:00] <zoghome> (11.04 here)
[12:08] <zoghome> .. i think I've found it, force by mac address in nm-applet
[13:54] <Error404NotFound> How do i change font sizes and types? also did anyone else notice the ugliness of skype on xubuntu? (first time xubuntu user here, shifted from ubuntu)
[14:08] <TheSheep> Error404NotFound: you can make skype use your system theme by providing a command line option to it
[14:08] <TheSheep> Error404NotFound: try skype --help for details
[14:09] <Error404NotFound> TheSheep: in skype's settings under Theme i have set 'Desktop Settings' that sure didn't work.
[14:09] <TheSheep> Error404NotFound: what fonts do you want to change?
[14:09] <Error404NotFound> TheSheep: fixed, Found the in settings though its irritating how some of the apps on xubuntu won't follow system fonts but would have their own 'sans 16' set.
[14:10] <TheSheep> yeah, that is annoying, feel free to report bugs to their authors
[14:10] <Error404NotFound> TheSheep: Skype v<IP_ADDRESS>, no commandline option to set theme though...
[14:10] <Error404NotFound> TheSheep: More annoying if its in default app :P
[14:12] <Error404NotFound> I am used to using multiple tabs in nautilus. Thunar, though awesome else, doesn't support tabs yet. Any recommendations? any pre-release ppa versions with tabs support? Or should i get nautilus installed?
[14:20] <Error404NotFound> reverted to pcmanfm
[14:20] <Error404NotFound> that seems better
[14:40] <Krissinn> Does someone in here know why I cant connect too irc.freenode.net on my XCHAT irc client? Have too use browser client
[14:40] <Pici> Krissinn: Are you getting an error?
[14:41] <Krissinn>  Tcl plugin for XChat - Version 1.64   Copyright 2002-2005 Daniel P. Stasinski  http://www.scriptkitties.com/tclplugin/  Tcl interface loaded  Perl interface loaded  Python interface loaded * Looking up irc.freenode.org * Connecting to irc.freenode.org (<IP_ADDRESS>) port 6667... * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused
[14:41] <Krissinn> I just get this every time i try it
[14:44] <Pici> Krissinn: does the following command produce any output: dig irc.freenode.net | grep <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:45] <Krissinn> Should i put this in terminal or in xchat?
[14:47] <Pici> Krissinn: in a terminal
[14:48] <Krissinn> ns.bofh.it.		150584	IN	A	<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:49] <Krissinn> and the ip got a red background
[14:50] <Pici> Krissinn: Can please you pastebin the results of:  dig irc.freenode.net
[14:50] <Pici> !paste
[14:52] <Krissinn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/753726/
[14:55] <Pici> hmm
[14:56] <Pici> Krissinn: Did you just start getting this problem?
[14:59] <Pici> Krissinn: I ask because it looks like your DNS has not updated, and I no longer see that server ip as listed in the A records for chat.freenode.net on either my computer, or at an external dns thingy.
[14:59] <Krissinn> Well, there has been this problem with the internet, as soon as my Dad puts a passcode on the wireless network I drop out. So we tried this Mac Address method, so we have to log in too the administrator account for our internet and write my Mac address there. Since this Mac thingy began I havent gotten on the server.
[15:01] <Pici> Krissinn: I suspect that either your router is not functioning properly as a DNS relay or your ISP has cached those records for longer than they should have.  You should be able to remedy this by using an external DNS server, like openDNS or google's DNS servers.
[15:02] <Krissinn> Alright, I will give that a try, thank you very much.
[15:13] <Error404NotFound> After enabling compiz by 'compiz --replace' windows title bars disappear, how can i fix this?
[15:29] <holstein> Error404NotFound: AFAIK, you need a decorator
[15:30] <holstein> i grabbed emerald, though there is a newer, more preffered option i saw mentioned
[15:31] <Error404NotFound> holstein: fell back tp xfw4, was trying to make xubuntu as similar to ubuntu gnome2 setups that i had but these kinds of bells and whistles can wait :)
[15:32] <holstein> right, and i have that
[15:32] <holstein> with compiz and emerald
[15:32] <holstein> and i changed notifications
[15:34] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/58002/how-do-i-enable-compiz-in-xubuntu
[15:34] <holstein> ^^ thats a lot like what i did
[15:39] <TheSheep> !compiz
[15:40] <FerchoLP> I know that this discussion is very old, but how come that the default behavior on closing the laptop lid is "do nothing"?
[15:40] <FerchoLP> this is the second time I almost melt my laptop after a fresh install  closing the lid and putting it on a bag :/
[15:40] <holstein> FerchoLP: its got to default to something :)
[15:41] <FerchoLP> yes, I've always expect it to go to suspension mode
[15:41] <holstein> expect/assume nothing
[15:41] <FerchoLP> I should see what other linux distributions do by default
[15:42] <TheSheep> FerchoLP: it's better than closing your lid for a moment and discovering all your downloads and compiles broken
[15:42] <FerchoLP> I know that's the main argument to the "do nothing" default
[15:42] <holstein> each time i close the lid i look for the lights to start flashing... im used to suspend half-way working from in the past
[15:42] <FerchoLP> BUT i think it's better to lost some downloads and compiles ONE time and not melt your laptop ONE time
[15:42] <holstein> FerchoLP: its a easy setting.. theres a GUI
[15:42] <TheSheep> you *can* set it to suspend on closed lid
[15:43] <TheSheep> yeah
[15:43] <holstein> you literally cant please everyone
[15:43] <genii-around> You could always make directory /etc/acpi/local , file in there of lid.sh which has something like shutdown -h now
[15:43] <FerchoLP> I know you can, I'm saying it should be default
[15:43] <holstein> FerchoLP: right, and others would say it *should* be the other way... so... ?
[15:44] <FerchoLP> yes, but I think the consequences are different in case of mistake
[15:44] <holstein> you could write a question that is a promt at install time, but i personally find those annoying
[15:44] <holstein> FerchoLP: ?
[15:44] <holstein> thats one of the first things i tesr, from the live CD
[15:45] <holstein> does the laptop sleep and wake up... do i get wifi after sleeping... etc
[15:45] <holstein> FerchoLP: feel free and file a bug report though
[15:45] <holstein> that would be 'wish-list'
[15:45] <FerchoLP> I found an old discussion in http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/22505/
[15:46] <FerchoLP> good arguments for both sides
[15:47] <holstein> sure... and right now, i have mine set to sleep when i close the lid
[15:47] <FerchoLP> apparently default behavior was different a few years ago
[15:48] <holstein> as long as theres a simple way to configure, im comfortable with whatever defaults
[15:49] <puff> Sometimes when I restart firefox, all of the windows are off in some phantom zone background;  they show up on alt-tab as grayed out, if I alt-tab to one of them and then move it to another virtual desktop, I'm back to looking at the desktop background.  Is there some way to bring all of these windows to the foreground?
[15:50] <holstein> puff: thats odd... i might try letting ~/.firefox or whatever its called there to 'respawn'
[15:51] <holstein> you could test by making another user account as well
[15:53] <GridCube> !info ubuntu-system-service
[15:53] <GridCube> mmmhm
[16:29] <rdesfo> hello
[16:29] <rdesfo> my terminal doesn't recognize the lower case "a" but when I su into a different account it works fine.  Does any one have an idea how to resolve this?
[16:29] <GridCube> rdesfo, you use an english kb?
[16:29] <rdesfo> yes
[16:30] <GridCube> then on a terminal launch >setxkbd en
[16:30] <GridCube> and try the key
[16:30] <GridCube> then on a terminal launch >setxkbmap en
[16:31] <rdesfo> $ setxkbd en
[16:31] <rdesfo> setxkbd: command not found
[16:31] <GridCube> yes
[16:31] <GridCube> setxkbmap en
[16:33] <rdesfo> nope
[16:33] <GridCube> or maybe       setxkmap us
[16:34] <rdesfo> I have to run it in "run program" so I don't get any of the output
[16:35] <rdesfo> Failed to execute child process "setxkmap" (No such file or directory).
[16:35] <GridCube> :o
[16:35] <GridCube> thats weird
[16:36] <rdesfo> I ran the command under a different user and here's the output
[16:36] <rdesfo> No command 'setxkmap' found, did you mean:
[16:36] <rdesfo>  Command 'setxkbmap' from package 'x11-xkb-utils' (main)
[16:37] <rdesfo> is 'setxkbmap us' what you where thinking of?
[16:38] <GridCube> yes
[16:39] <GridCube> sorry that was a typo
[16:39] <GridCube> :)
[16:42] <rdesfo> :(
[16:42] <rdesfo> No protocol specified
[16:42] <rdesfo> Cannot open display ":0.0"
[16:43] <GridCube> D:
[16:43] <GridCube> are you not on X?
[16:44] <rdesfo> I would assume I am.  isn't the default for xfce?
[16:45] <GridCube> it sure is
[16:45] <GridCube> you should just open a terminal, alt-f2 > xfce4-terminal
[16:45] <GridCube> and run
[16:45] <GridCube> xkbmap us
[16:46] <GridCube> setxkbmap us
[16:49] <rdesfo> xkbmap: command not found
[16:49] <GridCube> yes, yes, typo
[16:50] <GridCube> think for a moment about what we have been doing
[16:50] <rdesfo> is there a x window status command I can run?
[16:51] <GridCube> dont know
[17:08] <rdesfo> yep I'm running x
[17:08] <rdesfo> Running X session wrapper
[17:08] <rdesfo> Loading profile from /etc/profile
[17:21] <Arpad2> Upgrade Manager gives this http://paste.ubuntu.com/753811/, and no program can be installed or be removed
[17:22] <CiPi> Why you don`t use terminal? It`s seems is much better...
[17:22] <CiPi> Upgrade and update from terminal.
[17:24] <baizon> Arpad2: sudo apt-get install -f
[17:24] <baizon> try this
[17:24] <Arpad2> ok
[17:25] <Arpad2> baizon gives this http://paste.ubuntu.com/753862/
[17:26] <baizon> Arpad2: so type it
[17:26] <baizon> and upgrade your 112 packages =)
[17:26] <Arpad2> apt-get update ?
[17:28] <baizon> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:29] <Arpad2> gives this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753865/
[17:34] <baizon> and if you try to remove the package?
[17:35] <baizon> try to remove libgnome-control-center1
[17:36] <Arpad2> like sudo rm FILE ?
[17:36] <baizon> nope
[17:37] <baizon> sudo apt-get remove libgnome-control-center1
[17:37] <Arpad2> ok
[17:38] <baizon> and if that works again sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:38] <Arpad2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/753875/
[17:39] <Arpad2> it seeme it doesn't work
[17:39] <Arpad2> is it possible to reinstall the complete system without loosing data?
[17:39] <genii-around> Alternately you might want to copy the contents of this page http://piki.org/patrick/projects/dpkg-rebuild to a file named dpkg-rebuild, and run it to reconstruct. Documentation is inside the comments
[17:40] <baizon> or try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:41] <Arpad2> genii-around exactly this happened here: crash during maintanance due to hardware malfunction
[17:43] <Arpad2> baizon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753879/
[17:43] <baizon> ok
[17:43] <baizon> now again sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[17:44] <baizon> same error?
[17:44] <Arpad2> yes; same or similar
[17:45] <genii-around> Arpad2: That perl file will build you a new /var/lib/dpkg/status file
[17:46] <genii-around> The documentation within it is farly self-explanatory
[17:46] <genii-around> *fairly
[17:47] <Arpad2> so I have to write a perl file, which will create a new status file
[17:47] <Arpad2> ?
[17:48] <Arpad2> ok
[17:49] <genii-around> Yes. But that url is the perl file itself. You just copy the text within, save to filename dpkg-rebuild, make sure it is executable. As it says, saves the new status file to /tmp/status  .. from there, copy it to /var/lib/dpkg/
[17:52] <Arpad2> ok
[18:41] <Arpad2> genii-around: ok, I think I have done what I should, but I still get error message while updating
[18:41] <try_out> Hello... Were am I?
[18:42] <try_out> Well. Where can I find the Russian channel?
[18:44] <Arpad2> genii-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/753960/
[18:44] <try_out> Do u help me? Have installing Xubuntu, but haven't hear any sound.
[18:44] <try_out> O, thanks
[18:44] <try_out> It's for me?
[18:44] <Sysi> !ru
[18:46] <try_out> Классно, то что надо. Ещё раз спасибо
[18:49] <davek> hi
[18:49] <davek> hola?
[18:49] <davek> alguien que hable español?
[18:49] <Sysi> !sp
[18:49] <Sysi> !es
[18:50] <davek> ok, muchas gracias. es mi primera vez...
[18:52] <Arpad2> genii-around: status file is empty
[19:08] <genii-around> Arpad2: Apologies on lag, work required me. When you ran the script it produces a /tmp/status file with no content?
[19:09] <Arpad2> genii-around: yes
[19:10] <genii-around> Arpad2: This would indicate that the files where it is pulling the info from also have some issue. Is /var/lib/dpkg/available also zero length?
[19:10] <Arpad2> although terminal's output looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/753977/
[19:11] <genii-around> Hm, you are logged on as root
[19:11] <Arpad2> I opened available with gedit and it is empty too
[19:12] <genii-around> Yes, so there is the problem as far as dpkg-rebuild. It creates a file with no content because the "available" file is also screwed
[19:13] <Arpad2> so it meand kind of that the problem is somewhere 'deeper' ?
[19:13] <genii-around> Probably
[19:15] <genii-around> Arpad2: I would suggest: dpkg --clear-avail      then: apt-get update      then try to re-run the perl script, see if it makes another empty file this time
[19:15] <Arpad2> all right
[19:16] <genii-around> Arpad2: Work needs me for 5-7 minutes but I'm around
[19:16] <Arpad2> thx for help, ok
[19:18] <Arpad2> same result
[19:27] <genii-around> Arpad2: Does ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status-old show it to be there and larger than zero?
[19:31] <Arpad2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/754001/
[19:33] <Arpad2> a kukában van eg ystatus ami nem nulla
[19:33] <Arpad2> sorry
[19:34] <Arpad2> I have one status file in the Trash, which isnt empty
[19:41] <genii-around> Arpad2: Is it somewhere around 3 Mb?
[19:41] <Arpad2> 2.5
[19:59] <genii-around> Arpad2: I suggest then to restore it /var/lib/dpkg/     and then see if apt-get update can complete
[20:00] <Arpad2> ok
[20:04] <VShell> Hi, I'm trying to install Xubuntu to a USB drive and it appears to be stuck. Is there a log of what's going on that I can tail?
[21:06] <Zer0day>  /var/log/syslog or sth..


[04:17] <tdr112> hey czajkowski
[04:17] <tdr112> i read your up
[04:20] <czajkowski> tdr112: i am indeed
[04:20] <czajkowski> life would be a lot simpler for me if I could learn how to sleep through the night
[04:22] <tdr112> true, the day is a lot longer when you are up this early
[04:23] <tdr112> i am getting the ferry to your side of things this morning
[04:23] <czajkowski> I've been awake since 3 :/
[04:23] <czajkowski> have to be up at 6 so no point now in going to sleep
[04:24] <czajkowski> hope your brought t-shirts anda rain jacket
[04:24] <czajkowski> we've heavy downpours every so often but it's hot
[04:24] <tdr112> well just driving across the the euro tunnel
[04:25] <tdr112> heading to https://ohm2013.org/
[04:26] <czajkowski> oh cool
[04:26]  * czajkowski will be on the eurostar later
[04:27] <czajkowski> not been on the eurotunnel, Jon goes on it a bit on the motorbike
[04:27] <tdr112> the other night we where only looking at some old youtube clips from ossbarcamp
[04:27] <czajkowski> wow a lifetime ago
[04:27] <tdr112> never been on it too
[04:28] <tdr112> yep , looking at the talks from tog with the dancing
[04:28] <czajkowski> live the eurostar, makes getting to some places so simple
[04:28] <tdr112> are you going to a certen theme park
[04:28] <tdr112> :)
[04:28] <czajkowski> I am :D
[04:29] <czajkowski> he has no clue
[04:29] <tdr112> ah cool
[04:29] <czajkowski> it's rather amusing so yeah am probably a lot more excited than he can
[04:29] <czajkowski> he wont find out till we're boarding the train at 10am
[04:30] <tdr112> you will have to get someone to feed the little hens
[04:32] <czajkowski> well they can be left up to 4-5 days with the food and water we have
[04:32] <czajkowski> but jons dad is coming over tomorrow to check on them and remove the eggs
[04:32] <czajkowski> plus we have the cameras set up to watch them
[04:32] <czajkowski> http://exastack.com/webcam/
[04:32] <tdr112> hmm , thats a lot longer than my cats
[04:32] <tdr112> oh new url
[04:33] <czajkowski> water is a 8-10lt container
[04:33] <czajkowski> as is the pelet dispenser
[04:33] <tdr112> they are up
[04:35] <czajkowski> yup
[04:35] <czajkowski> lively early birds!
[04:35] <tdr112> did your fox problem go away
[04:35] <czajkowski> not exactly
[04:35] <czajkowski> we dealt with one
[04:35] <czajkowski> now we annot leave them in the garden unsupervised
[04:35] <czajkowski> we need to find the time to create an electric fence
[04:36] <czajkowski> currently both our work shedules are just a bit manic
[04:36] <tdr112> they are mad things , we had an event in tcd with 1000's of people around and they still are out running arpund during the day
[04:36] <czajkowski> and evenings then are a bit late to set it up
[04:36] <czajkowski> shouldnt be that hard a battery and some wire plus stakes
[04:37] <czajkowski> tdr112: yup and ours are urban don't care where they go, schools, gardens or any time of the day
[04:37] <czajkowski> they are not scared
[04:37] <tdr112> so much for WILD life
[04:37] <tdr112> not very wild
[04:38] <czajkowski> indeed
[04:38] <tdr112> getting off the bus , so enjoy the trip
[04:38] <czajkowski> what we found out recently is some of the groups like RSPCA are catching them in other ares and releaseing them down near us as more green down here
[04:39] <czajkowski> but they are not native to the area and roaming
[04:39] <czajkowski> tdr112: toodles enjoy
[19:38] <airurando> evening
[21:31] <airurando> evening
[21:33] <zmoylan> hi
[21:47] <frotto> i am looking for developers interested to work on a startup project, if anyone is interested please let me know -dublin-
[21:49] <airurando> hi zmoylan
[21:49] <airurando> hi frotto
[21:49] <airurando> frotto this is a fairly sleepy channel.
[21:50] <airurando> can I suggest you pass on your request to the ilug and ubuntuie mailing lists?
[21:50] <zmoylan> there is the #linux channel if you're looking for developers.  details can be found on linux.ie
[21:51] <airurando> http://mail.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug
[21:51] <airurando> and
[21:51] <airurando> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ie
[21:54] <frotto> wow  thank you very much guys!
[22:02] <airurando> pleasure frotto and good luck with it!


[00:28] <looodgrey> What are reasons why base-installer/kernel/image  wouldn't find any valid kernels installed? I'm trying out to preseed xenial and its erroring about not finding a kernel. I've tried setting it to linux-image,linux-image-generic but errosr.


[16:01] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr  8 16:01:00 2014 UTC.  The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <rbasak>     Serge to drop the arm server item from agenda
[16:02] <rbasak> Looks like he has. Thanks Serge!
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Trusty Development
[16:02] <rbasak> Final freeze is in two days.
[16:02] <gaughen> o/
[16:02] <rbasak> Is there anything anyone needs to raise?
[16:02] <rbasak> I know jamespage has been chasing bug 1295093.
[16:02] <beisner> o/ hi
[16:03] <rbasak> Any other pieces we need to land?
[16:03] <rbasak> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[16:03] <gaughen> my only question is what else needs to get done before GA
[16:03] <jamespage> rbasak, I have but I can't persuade my normal release team member to review it
[16:03] <gaughen> smoser, jamespage?
[16:03] <smoser> o/.
[16:03] <rbasak> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:03] <rbasak> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-t-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:03] <gaughen> release notes, server guide - anything else that needs to get done?
[16:04] <rbasak> Looking at this list, I know that the juju-quickstart MIR is deferred, and I'm preparing the latest upstream for upload today.
[16:04] <rbasak> This will fix bug 1301464 and bug 1301481
[16:05] <rbasak> Any other comments on the release tracking bugs? How's icehouse looking?
[16:05] <coreycb> o/
[16:05] <rbasak> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:05] <rbasak> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-servercloud-overview.html
[16:06] <rbasak> Probably time to start closing off work items and postponing them if needed.
[16:06] <rbasak> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:06] <rbasak> caribou: you're up!
[16:06] <caribou> some last minute fixes to sosreport to report, that's all
[16:07] <rharper> o/
[16:07] <rbasak> Thanks caribou!
[16:07] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:07] <rbasak> psivaa: hello!
[16:07] <psivaa> rbasak: nothing much to update from us this week
[16:07] <psivaa> tests are 100% in smoke
[16:08] <rbasak> OK. Thanks psivaa!
[16:08] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:08] <smb> Frantically working on some polishing for Xen and libvirt. Apart from that I have not more myself. Anything from your side?
[16:08] <rbasak> Does anyone have anything for smb?
[16:08] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:09] <rbasak> Any new events to report?
[16:09]  * rbasak isn't aware of any
[16:09] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:09] <rbasak> Does anyone have anything else to raise?
[16:10] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:10] <rbasak> The next meeting will be at: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:00:00 +0000
[16:10] <rbasak> smoser: you're next up to chair.
[16:10] <smoser> thanks rbasak
[16:11] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[16:11] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr  8 16:11:09 2014 UTC.
[16:11] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-08-16.01.moin.txt
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Trusty
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <rtg> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <chiluk> o/
[17:00] <cking> \o
[17:00] <smb> o7
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> T/master-next: LP1303657 ("Cannot boot trusty kernel on qemu-system-arm") - we
[17:01] <ppisati> were missing the correct dtb (wasn't necessary in S) and qemu was waiting for a
[17:01] <ppisati> console over jtag (HVC_DCC) that would never show up - waiting for a
[17:01] <ppisati> confirmation from the reporter before sending the patches.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1311-kernel                      || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-cross-compilation           || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || core-1311-hwe-plans                   || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1403-hwe-stack-eol-notifications || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || smb       || servercloud-1311-openstack-virt       || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Trusty Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We entered into Kernel Freeze for Trusty last Thurs and have uploaded
[17:02] <ogasawara> what we intend to be the final kernel for Trusty, 3.13.0-23.45.  All
[17:02] <ogasawara> patches from here on out are subject to our Ubuntu SRU policy and only
[17:02] <ogasawara> critical bug fixes will warrant an upload before release next week.
[17:02] <ogasawara> -----
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Apr 17 - Ubuntu 14.04 Final Release (~1 week away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Saucy/Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal)
[17:03] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Mar. 25):
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Verification and Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification and Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Quantal - Verification and Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Saucy - Verification and Testing
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> cycle: 30-Mar through 26-Apr
[17:03] <bjf> [17:03] <bjf>          28-Mar   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:03] <bjf> 30-Mar - 05-Apr   Kernel prep week.
[17:03] <bjf> 06-Apr - 12-Apr   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:03] <bjf>          17-Apr   14.04 Released
[17:03] <bjf> 13-Apr - 26-Apr   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:04] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr  8 17:04:15 2014 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-08-17.00.moin.txt
[17:04] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury!