[05:54] <mup> Bug #1581250 changed: [1.9] Device & deployed machine both have same static IP's <oil> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <MAAS 2.0:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581250>
[19:41] <mup> Bug #1581250 opened: [1.9] Device & deployed machine both have same static IP's <oil> <MAAS:Fix Committed> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581250>


[07:46] <cyphermox> DJJeff: yes, it should be able to, but the UI won't show these devices. last week I paired a Ouya controller succesfully
[09:48] <FuLgOrE> hi rsalveti
[09:52] <FuLgOrE> rsalveti: I really would like to know if you already flashed your N5. Tassadar gave me some useful hints regarding the wifi thing. I used 'cat' to try to open the .macaddr file. He told me to use 'hexdump -C'
[11:03] <djbengan> Hi. Ran a upgrade, but i cant configure the console-setup package, if i select utf-8 and then "OK", nothing happens.
[11:03] <djbengan> And it breaks ubuntu-minimal...
[11:04] <FuLgOrE> press space
[11:05] <FuLgOrE> enter don't works
[11:25] <djbengan> wow
[11:25] <djbengan> i dont even
[11:25] <djbengan> thanks!
[11:26] <FuLgOrE> welcome :)
[11:43] <devf> hello
[11:44] <devf> I want to ask if anyone can tell me if it is possible to flash a sony xperia device with ubuntu touch?
[11:44] <devf> and where i could find instructions
[11:46] <devf> Hello kaxing and welcome
[11:50] <devf> Little quiet in here.
[11:50] <FuLgOrE> right
[11:50] <devf> Is anyone know to work on this,
[11:50] <FuLgOrE> !devices
[11:50] <devf> or could i help with a solution towards it?
[11:52] <devf> k, thx for the status page, I will seek if i can help on that
[11:52] <FuLgOrE> its always silent here at the weekend
[11:55] <devf> k, thx for the hint
[11:59] <devf> I justed stumbled on this i found it very nice, and suitable for a project which I am looking for (so i can contribute as well)
[12:03] <FuLgOrE> and I want to move away from android
[12:03] <FuLgOrE> to have a less limited linux on my phone
[14:44] <kaxing> devf, hey, how are you doing
[14:47] <devf> I'm looking at the options to build for a new device
[14:48] <devf> Seems possible but have to research some more
[14:53] <devf> hi kaxing, I'm fine how are you? What are you looking for?
[14:54] <kaxing> devf, nope, just thanks for your welcome
[19:06] <DonkeyHotei> is there a procedure for installing Touch on an x86 tablet?
[20:03] <bigben> hey, i was wondering if i can follow the install instructions even if i dont have one of the listed device.
[20:32] <Naglfar> good work


[00:21] <daniel> opa
[03:18] <mate|42202> hi all
[03:18] <Boyette> hi
[03:18] <mate|42202> hows it going
[03:18] <Boyette> fine
[03:18] <Boyette> u?
[03:18] <mate|42202> hi there
[03:18] <Boyette> hi there
[03:18] <mate|42202> im good, how was your week?
[03:18] <Boyette> it was busy
[03:18] <mate|42202> same here
[03:19] <mate|42202> fooling around with this OS, I like it so far
[03:19] <stashb0x_> hi
[03:19] <mate|42202> hi there
[03:19] <mate|42202> how are you doing?
[03:20] <Boyette> which os
[03:20] <mate|42202> Ubuntu Mate
[03:21] <mate|42202> first time user
[03:21] <stashb0x_> good so far
[03:21] <stashb0x_> mate|42202, what os were you using before?
[03:21] <mate|42202> windows
[03:22] <mate|42202> i grew up with windows, so i wanna try something new this year
[03:22] <stashb0x_> mate|42202, how you liking it so far?
[03:23] <mate|42202> I love it
[03:23] <mate|42202> how long have you been using it?
[03:24] <stashb0x_> Linux in general or Ubuntu Mate?
[03:24] <mate|42202> Linux in general
[03:25] <stashb0x_> since 2006-2007 maybe?
[03:25] <mate|42202> I want to know different OS types anyways to be a good technician
[03:25] <mate|42202> I say I started poking around last year more into it
[03:26] <stashb0x_> Well with how Windows is intergrating alot of linux tools knowing Windows imho gives a advantage
[03:26] <mate|42202> yes, i see that
[03:26] <stashb0x_> and knowing what tools Linux has to offer as well
[03:26] <mate|42202> yes
[03:26] <mate|42202> I really like it
[03:26] <stashb0x_> are you in sys/network administration now?
[03:27] <mate|42202> not yea
[03:27] <mate|42202> yet
[03:28] <mate|42202> im in entry level with computer technician
[03:29] <mate|42202> im working hard to get my Comptia A+ Cert this year
[03:29] <stashb0x_> nice. are they looking into Linux or do they have some machines there already?
[03:30] <TaZeR> linux has been around since the mid 1840's
[03:30] <mate|42202> they have windows all over the office, but i want to learn more about other OS
[03:30] <mate|42202> wow, thats a long time
[03:30] <mate|42202> I see over the years, it got better
[03:31] <TaZeR> of course back then it was known as the plague
[03:31] <TaZeR> it has come a long way
[03:31] <TaZeR> but once humans learned to digitize the plague we had what we today call modern linux
[03:31] <mate|42202> oh wow, i never knew that
[03:31] <TaZeR> yep
[03:31] <stashb0x_> TaZeR, haha
[03:32] <mate|42202> lol
[03:32] <mate|42202> well, i did use ubuntu years ago and hated it, but now, it has come a long way
[03:33] <Boyette> yes the computer was created somewhere in 1980 but linux already exists since 1840 mate
[03:34] <Boyette> it was called ALGEBRA that time later the name changed to LINUX
[03:34] <mate|42202> i still think think the PET was a good looking classic home computer
[03:35] <Boyette> commodore
[03:35] <Boyette> i had that
[03:35] <mate|42202> yes
[03:35] <mate|42202> really?
[03:36] <mate|42202> lucky
[03:36] <Boyette> commdore 64 i had
[03:36] <Boyette> commodore 64
[03:36] <mate|42202> nice
[03:36] <Boyette> it was very popular
[03:36] <mate|42202> I never had one
[03:36] <Boyette> my father gave it to me when i was a child of 5 years old
[03:36] <Boyette> after 1 year i knew more then him :P
[03:36] <mate|42202> I think my first computer was a  Apple 2
[03:38] <mate|42202> i miss that computer a lot
[03:38] <mate|42202> well guys, I have to go, it was nice talking to you.
[03:38] <mate|42202> have a great weekend
[03:40] <TaZeR> i also had my first pc at a young age i was 6, it was a 486 dx2 66mhz and i was very quickly better at it than my father as well
[03:41] <TaZeR> so much so i didnt need him anymore and by age 8 i was trading stocks online and had my own place
[03:41] <Boyette> i also later got a 486
[03:41] <Boyette> with floppy discs to boot
[03:41] <Boyette> very big one
[03:42] <Boyette> 8 inch
[03:42] <TaZeR> mine had the 3.5" floppys already
[03:42] <Boyette> yes they came later
[03:42] <Boyette> few years later
[03:43] <TaZeR> it was so much more expensive back then to get all the computer stuff
[03:43] <TaZeR> with printer monitor everything it was like $3500
[03:43] <TaZeR> or something like that
[03:46] <Boyette> yes
[03:46] <Boyette> i can remember those times aswell
[03:46] <Boyette> choosing between 4mb and 8mb ram
[03:46] <Boyette> difference of 300$
[03:47] <Boyette> imagine we have now 32000mb ram
[12:22] <amigax> hi all, my mate-terminal shows hidden files by default when using ll (or -l), how can I use the list format but EXCLUDE all hidden files?
[12:23] <diogenes_> ls?
[12:24] <amigax> diogenes_, yes, like "ls -l", but that one shows all hidden files by default, which I did not expect...
[12:25] <diogenes_> and if you input simply "ls"
[12:25] <diogenes_> it is not supposed to show hidden
[12:25] <amigax> diogenes_, I want to use -l (list format), but NOT show the hidden files, only non-hidden files and directories
[12:25] <amigax> but in a list with file details (permissions, dates, etc.)
[12:26] <diogenes_> try to rename mate-terminal config folder if there is such (sorry I use a different terminal)
[12:26] <amigax> I thought doing ls -l would do just that and NOT show the hidden files, because that is what the "-a" is for, right, so why does it do it in the opposite way..??
[12:28] <diogenes_> or even look for .bashrc file in your /home dir, if there is one, just rename it and see if that helps
[12:34] <amigax> diogenes_, there is only a .bashrc file, but it does not affect this, tried a terminal without it (renamed it), but the system still shows hidden files with the command "ls -l"
[12:35] <diogenes_> and if you input: ls -a -l
[12:36] <amigax> almost seems like a bug, it does by default what it should do when using ls -a ("--all"). I would expect that to be an alias within .bashrc , but instead it is the opposite: I need to find an alias that turns the viewing of hidden files OFF (very backwards, and even impossible if the reverse of the -a switch simply does not exist..(?)
[12:37] <amigax> diogenes_, ls -a -l shows all the hidden files and folders (with the dot as the first character), that is why I suspect a bug here
[12:37] <diogenes_> yeah probably
[12:38] <amigax> diogenes_, which terminal do you use, what does ls -a -l show in your case?
[12:47] <mate|82114> Hello! I've got a problem to install an application - the terminal error message returns: "Cannot find module wake-event"... and I don't know where to get this module. After some research at google and ddg - I just found someone who created some java-script with that name. Can anybody tell me if this module belongs to the basic linux installation?
[12:47] <mate|82114> Thank you in advance for the answer!
[12:53] <amigax> mate|82114, could it be related to npm; do you have a dependency on npm in what you are installing?
[12:53] <mate|82114> Hello amigax, indeed - it does!
[12:54] <amigax> mate|82114, a quick google search indicates that the module "wake-event" might be a part of npm...
[12:54] <mate|82114> I used "npm install" before - so far so good... does it? well - let me see if I missed something there.
[12:55] <mate|82114> Oh yes...
[12:55] <mate|82114> I absolutely didn't see it - there is even the command to install.
[12:55] <mate|82114> My bad - and thank you for the answer!
[12:55] <amigax> mate|82114, my pleasure
[12:56] <mate|82114> Installed Linux for the first time yesterday - still trying to get through it.
[12:57] <amigax> mate|82114, are you unfamiliar with any/all linux distros? Which other OS do you know a bit technically?
[12:58] <mate|82114> almost 8 years ago, used ubuntu for some months - but wasn't able to keep the experience going on. Since that - just the ordinary windows operating systems. But decided to use linux instead.
[12:58] <mate|82114> And of course, the dos experience in the old days. ;-)
[12:59] <amigax> mate|82114, just a tip: in order to stay a bit informed about dependencies and such, I always prefer the Synaptic Package manager in addition to the command line - if you turn on viewing properties in its preferences, then you get a lot of useful info.
[13:01] <amigax> mate|82114, I am in the process of evaluating whether I would standardise across multiple computers on Ubuntu Mate in case it simplifies the testing and evaluation of small devices such as Raspberry Pi, etc.
[13:01] <mate|82114> ah - so the SPM would have downloaded the package based on the dependency. Or at least it would have given some dependency info. Thank you! Good to know
[13:02] <mate|82114> amigax: Which distro did you use before? Does it seem capable to fulfil your requirements for this step?
[13:03] <amigax> mate|82114, I think the dependencies are the same across apt-get/apt/dpm and SPM, but in SPM it is easier to see and check the other, similar/related packages as they are shown in the list; one click and you can see the properties and a separate dependency tab.
[13:04] <mate|82114> amigax: Thank you for the advise. Going to take advantage of this SPM- functionality
[13:05] <amigax> mate|82114, ideally, I want to use Qubes-OS(.org), but it needs a lot in the department of hardware compatibility etc., so I have been using Ubungu with Gnome and CompizConfigManager (CCM) mostly. But it is unnecessariliy resource hungry, and now I want to check out smaller computers, and especially running Linux as Virtual Machines or (docker?) containers. And since Ubuntu Mate is part of the recommendations from the Raspberry Pi project, I want to
[13:05] <amigax> check out that first.
[13:07] <mate|82114> amigax: I've read about the use of Ubuntu-Mate on a Pi. Didn't try it yet though. But good luck! I hope it will work out well for you.
[13:07] <amigax> I want to have several Ubuntu mates running in Qubes-OS, for example, and to help young people/children/teens getting started with a good experience on something like a Raspberry (or better competitors).
[13:08] <amigax> mate|82114, I am running it just fine on Raspberry, but want to get a more powerful alternative. The problem now is which ones comes with CPUs that are NOT vulnerable to the Meltdown/Spectre bugs (Raspberry Pi is immune to that...)
[13:09] <mate|82114> I think it is a good choice to start with Ubuntu-Mate (Linux) - especially for the young people to learn something about alternatives to the ordinary Ms-products.
[13:09] <amigax> mate|82114, Raspberry is not powerful enough, just a test start. Checking out the processor specs etc. of competitors these days
[13:10] <mate|82114> The "stronger" CPU's are usually vulnerable to those issues - I am afraid...
[13:10] <amigax> mate|82114, yes, exactly, I am involved in planning a new community for this, called "MOMOC" (Master-Of-My-Own-C*) (12 C's: Computer(s), ComputING (automation), Comfort(security), etc.)
[13:12] <mate|82114> amigax: It sounds interesting, as it seems to be a very ambicous project. This community focusses at younger people as you'd mentioned before?
[13:13] <amigax> mate|82114, yes, not only , but in particular teenagers / young adults / and the other end; retired/old people with little computer skills
[13:15] <amigax> then there is a special "club" for "superusers", which can be anyone, one part of this will be open/free, another will be within a paid membership with one normal level/department, and one for superusers
[13:16] <amigax> mate|82114, it is also part of recruiting "IT-consultant-wannabees", to train new IT professionals into a new/growing market (that is a separate community)
[13:16] <mate|82114> amigax: I like the idea! Does there exist a web-reference to your group already?
[13:17] <mate|82114> I see
[13:20] <amigax> mate|82114, if you have a twitter account, you can get in touch through a Direct Message to https://twitter.com/@MOMOCzone
[13:21] <amigax> mate|82114, notice that the web sites are not ready yet, but the community is available via other channels such as XMPP/Jabber, WebRTC, etc.
[13:22] <amigax> mate|82114, if you have a web site/point of contact, I can pass it on if you like
[13:24] <mate|82114> amigax: I am checking out the twitter link. Don't have twitter myself yet. But it appears to me more and more useful the more I get in contact with the Linux-Community. Also don't have jabber or WebRTC - but I am going to get a twitter account to follow there.
[13:26] <amigax> mate|82114, if you are just getting started, then perhaps I can tip you off about the up-and-coming Twitter alternative called "Mastodon" (www.Mastodon.social = main hub, but it is DECENTRALISED, so no need for the main one..!)
[13:26] <mate|82114> amigax: I think that it will take me a while to master some simple installations of unofficial packages, so I am sure that there will be a higher need of those forms of communication to me. This is one of the things, that bothers me the most. Installing custom programs. It is a lack of comfort that I feel, based on the lack of knowledge that I have
[13:26] <mate|82114> . :D
[13:28] <mate|82114> Twitter alternative - let me see. So many useful information on hand here. Appreciated.
[13:28] <amigax> mate|82114, You may get in touch with us through https://mastodon.host/@info_overlord
[13:29] <mate|82114> amigax: The mastodon page appears to establish an unsecure connection.  No-one can block your accounts for whatever reason(s).
[13:30] <mate|82114> amigax:  Sounds great! I haven't heared about this before.
[13:30] <amigax> mate|82114, this is part of the competence/insights that the MOMOCzone community includes
[13:31] <amigax> mate|82114, a tip: almost "all" Mastodon.* instances adhere to a maximum "toot" ("tweet") of 500 characters (unlike Twitter's new 280 limit), but mastodon.HOST has its own limit of 1000 characters per toot... ;-)
[13:32] <amigax> mate|82114, and the others are federating/syndicating all toots, including those that go beyond the normal limit, so no worries there.
[13:32] <mate|82114> amigax: Just saved your Mastodon-reference in the favorites. As soon as I've completed my installation, going to check the Mastodon.social out a bit deeper.
[13:33] <mate|82114> amigax: Btw. I like the "toot"-idea :D
[13:33] <amigax> and if you are an Android smartphone user, I recommend the Mastalab app for Mastodon usage, it is multi-account and in a good development just now.
[13:34] <mate|82114> amigax:   Am I able to find this app in the F-droid-Store?
[13:34] <amigax> mate|82114, we are very much focused on supporting the open-source philosophy that also happens to be good for each one's privacy etc.
[13:35] <amigax> mate|82114, I _think_ it has a F-droid version as well
[13:36] <mate|82114> amigax: I think that the concept of focussing at privacy is going to be more and more important to all of us. As a result, many of the users are going to think and decide more carefuly which OS to use or which information to share.
[13:36] <amigax> mate|82114, if you do join, please refer to my nick here and we'll continue to stay in touch there if you like :-)
[13:37] <mate|82114> amigax: Would be a pleasure to stay in touch! wrote down all of the useful information, regarding our future exchange on mastodon. :D
[13:38] <guillermo> hello guys. Is this chat available to resolve bugs with ubuntu?
[13:38] <amigax> mate|82114, so you do not need a Twitter account if Mastodon is ok, try M. first!
[13:39] <mate|82114> amigax: I will give M priority - for sure.
[13:39] <mate|82114> guillermo: Hello, I am not sure about the bugs. I think that there was a separate link on the main-page to report bugs.
[13:40] <mate|82114> guillermo: But even like this, maybe there is some advanced user, that will take care of that.
[15:20] <ole_> test from Denmark ole's mate
[15:40] <haganeninja> good day everyone
[15:40] <haganeninja> hows it going?
[15:40] <diogenes_> slowly as a pregnant snail crawling up the hill
[15:40] <haganeninja> dang, bad start i see
[15:41] <diogenes_> why bad?
[15:42] <haganeninja> well, its a slow start of the day, no?
[15:43] <Talikkaf> There is a good guide book of Ubuntu MATE in English at goinglinux.com - do you know if turorial books exist for other languages?
[19:59] <levi> foo
[20:02] <diogenes_> bar
[20:31] <levi> can somebody help me please
[20:31] <alkisg> !ask
[20:32] <levi> ok I will the wifi icon vanished and i need it
[20:32] <alkisg> Does it show up again if you reboot?
[20:32] <levi> ill try
[22:43] <myadmin> !
[22:44] <myadmin> Hello
[23:10] <dyno7> how to upgrade ubuntu mate 16.04 to newer on pi3
[23:11] <dyno7> using comand line
[23:34] <ali1234> "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[23:35] <ali1234> but it will probably fill up the SD card and then crash on a pi


[00:07]  * Mez shoves a sock in Myrtti's mouth
[00:08]  * Myrtti spits it out, looks around and blushes
[00:43] <mneptok> i would like to demand that bazhang be covered in axle grease, be made to sing "The Battle Hymn Of The Republic," have his ops removed, and officially change his given name to "Meester Wittle Bittle Snuggoo Mens"
[00:44] <mneptok> oh, and all of you need to F-ING RELAX
[00:44]  * mneptok detonates in a serene manner
[00:46] <Myrtti> now that I've administered enough painkillers for myself, I'm relaxed as a noodle
[00:49] <mneptok> i'm a puppy.
[01:00] <Myrtti> !prayer
[01:08]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[01:08] <Myrtti> watch out for that teXXXas feller in -ot
[01:19] <Myrtti> nini everyone
[01:33] <bazhang> @whoami
[01:42] <bazhang> @login
[01:42] <bazhang> @whoami
[02:04] <bazhang> john nelson at it again
[02:07] <mneptok> bazhang: hoozat?
[02:07] <mneptok> "John Nelson," that is.
[02:08] <bazhang> mneptok, a user who switches nicks like most people change socks
[02:08] <mneptok> wow, i haven't changed my nick in 16 years or so. never mind twice per year.
[02:08] <bazhang> he is twice per day :)
[02:09] <mneptok> people change socks daily or more?!
[02:09] <bazhang> hahaha
[02:09] <mneptok> thats just sick. how can they possible cultivate the more attractive and aromatic slime molds?
[02:10] <bazhang> I take the fifth on that your honor
[03:55] <bazhang> richiefrich
[04:06]  * bazhang wonders how people think the ubuntu channels are for dating
[04:14] <Flannel> bazhang: I thought "Ubuntu" meant "I am who I am because of who I date"?
 how to hack into this ubuntu irc server???hahahahha
[04:14] <bazhang> Flannel, haha
[04:14] <bazhang> salaz is also telling user to use alien for rpm of java
[04:16] <Flannel> Did you ask him to stop giving bad/wrong/dangerous advice?
[04:16]  * Flannel just got here.
[04:16] <bazhang> yes.
[04:16] <bazhang> next time is a kick.
[04:16] <Flannel> I'll keep an eye out too
[04:17] <bazhang> he type the double recursive removal as well.
[04:17] <bazhang> err typed
[04:20] <elkbuntu> bazhang, i'm pretty sure that will earn him a lifetime k-ticket pretty promptly
[04:20] <bazhang> elkbuntu, I did not see in vivo, just after the fact by several minutes
[04:25] <Flannel> I'm notsure if that ping was actual ignorance, or an attempt to use #ubuntu to ddos
[04:28] <bazhang> likely just ignorance; he seems to be in the ubuntu channels fairly regularly and never seen anything of that sort from him before
[04:30] <elkbuntu> same kid?
[04:41] <bazhang> no, that was illmortal the second time
[05:03] <moo_cow> my resolution is 320x200 in ubuntu
[05:03] <moo_cow> after installing and restricted drivers manager
[05:04] <moo_cow> nothing higher is available in "screen resolution"
[05:04] <bazhang> this is not a support channel moo_cow
[05:05] <moo_cow> xorg.conf has no resolutions in it and seems to ignore any put in there
[05:06] <bazhang> moo_cow, try #ubuntu or #kubuntu not here
[05:09] <moo_cow> ubuntu is broken out of the box
[05:11] <bazhang> !idle | moo_cow
[05:11] <bazhang> moo_cow, see the channel topic here?
[05:12] <moo_cow> bye fucker
[05:12] <nalioth> alrighty then
[05:12] <bazhang> nice.
[05:12] <nalioth> why is moo_cow here, again?
[05:13] <bazhang> he had the nasty id later changed to bite_me was banned from k-kde4 and would come in here and idle never responding.
[05:20] <nalioth> well, if he's not banforwarded here, he doesn't need to idle
[05:23] <elkbuntu> um, someone who knows how the floodbots work, please see -read-topic
[05:34] <elkbuntu> nalioth, are services b0rked at the moment?
[05:36] <nalioth> elkbuntu: not that i can see
[05:36] <elkbuntu> nalioth, the bots are saying otherwise
[05:37] <nalioth> there may be a server split somewhere
[05:37] <elkbuntu> and im not seeing chanserv either
[05:37] <elkbuntu> aha, yes i am
[05:50] <bazhang> someone else want to chime in on the hardware discussion in #u
[05:54] <bazhang> nice defense though: <IntangibleLiquid> bazhang, what does Ubuntu run on? thin air?
[05:57] <elkbuntu> bazhang, "not sure, but the mac air, yes"
[05:58] <bazhang> heh
[06:46] <elkbuntu> ompaul, did you ever remove the +d on eleaf?
[06:47] <ompaul> not that I know of
[06:47] <ompaul> n anyway he is caught by chanserv
[06:48] <elkbuntu> or whatever that is. why is he being caught still. did we not lift the ban?
[06:48] <ompaul> back when I had the ability to do that - I did it
[06:48] <elkbuntu> @btlogin
[06:49] <ompaul> only in #ubuntu
[06:51] <elkbuntu> it's still in force in -offtopic
[06:51] <ompaul> I seem to remember some convo here about same
[06:51] <ompaul> yeap
[06:51] <ompaul> and I don't have powers to lift it there
[06:51] <elkbuntu> someone who can deal needs to
[06:51] <ompaul> __anymore__
[06:51] <elkbuntu> nalioth, pricechild?
[06:52] <nalioth> ok
[06:53] <elkbuntu> thanks. now we take bets how long he keeps it off this time ;)
[06:53] <nalioth> not seeing a +d ban set
[06:55] <ompaul> *** ChanServ sets mode: +b eleaf*!*@*
[06:56] <ompaul> you need to tell chanserv to let him go
[06:57]  * nalioth looks again
[06:59] <nalioth> which channel are we talking about?
[07:00] <ompaul> -offtioc
[07:00] <nalioth> no wonder i can't find a ban, then
[07:00]  * nalioth was looking in #ubuntu
[07:01] <nalioth> Ziroday: hi, what can we do for you?
[07:01] <ompaul> Ziroday, how can we hslp you
[07:01] <Ziroday> Hi, how and where can me apply for a locobot
[07:01]  * Ziroday feels like he was mugged
[07:01] <Ziroday> to log the channel?
[07:01] <ompaul> you was
[07:02] <Ziroday> sorry I mean our loco's channel
[07:02] <nalioth> Ziroday: what did you need a bot for?
[07:02] <ompaul> Ziroday, #ubuntu-irc is better I think
[07:02] <ompaul> nalioth, a locobot
[07:02] <Ziroday> ompaul: cheers
[07:02] <ompaul> who runs them?
[07:02]  * nalioth points to the ubot* siblings
[07:02] <Ziroday> i dunno, but they're referred to in !logs
[07:03] <ompaul> !logs
[07:03] <nalioth> oh, _those_ bots
[07:03] <Ziroday> nevermind found out how :)
[07:03] <Ziroday> have a great day ompaul, nalioth
[07:04]  * ompaul hums the song "your political correctness offends me" and wonders if it will ever be a hit
[07:11] <elkbuntu> ompaul, broken records tend to get thrown out of radio stations.
[07:11] <ompaul> hahaha
[07:11] <elkbuntu> i thought you knew that
[07:12] <ompaul> elkbuntu, I thought they got made up at Olympics
[07:12] <ompaul> go tangent go
[07:12] <ompaul> right so
[07:12] <ompaul> we now have barrier free tolling
[07:12] <elkbuntu> where?
[07:12] <ompaul> in dublin
[07:12] <elkbuntu> oh, i thought you said 'trolling'
[07:12] <ompaul> you can has bill or bigger bill
[07:13] <ompaul> barrier free trolling
[09:07] <bazhang> argh
[09:10] <Flannel> eh?
[09:10] <bazhang> just the chattiness in #u
[10:17] <Myrtti> morning
[10:18] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[10:26]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[10:33] <GazzaK> yay
[11:08] <Myrtti> gr.
[11:08] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2810924642/ :-<
[11:10] <jpds> Myrtti: It could be worse.
[11:10] <jpds> ..like how my intrepid setup is like.
[11:10] <Myrtti> it could be, true
[11:10] <jpds> KERNEL PANIC: Cannot find root filesystem.
[11:10] <Myrtti> :-<
[11:10] <Myrtti> mine wont even mount /
[11:10] <Myrtti> which is nice
[11:11] <jpds> I'm doing the daily iso, chrooting in to fix it isn't working.
[11:11] <Myrtti> grub loads and then I'm stuck right ^ there
[11:11] <jpds> Mine can't find / :)
[11:11] <Myrtti> shirley it can find /boot though?
[11:13] <jpds> Well, dpkg --configure -a ,just fails.
[11:17] <jpds> So, reinstall it is.
[11:28] <Myrtti> Tm_T, jussi01, Mez: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber lp:~segphault/gwibber/qtfrontend   	  	 0  New   	 2008-08-22 04:59:10 EEST  8 days ago
[11:28] <Myrtti> 86. Added experimental Qt-based user inte...
[11:28] <Tm_T> danke
[11:31] <jussi01> :)
[11:38]  * stdin notes there is no Qt GUI there
[11:50] <Myrtti> stdin: you're welcome to work on that
[11:50] <Myrtti> and - gwibber uses webkit for the most parts
[11:51] <stdin> I'm not so good with QtDesigner, I prefer to code-in the GUI :)
[11:51]  * Myrtti shrugs - I suck in coding in general
[11:51] <Myrtti> and I use GTK (ie. (x)ubuntu)
[11:52] <stdin> and it's only a coincidence I have http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qwebview.html open in my browser already :p
[11:52] <Myrtti> lol
[11:53] <stdin> I did actually make a tabbed web browser in python-qt a while ago, but I wrote in in /tmp and rebooted
[11:54]  * Myrtti hands stdin a coupon for a free faceslap
[13:08] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[13:10] <Tm_T> indeed
[13:28]  * Myrtti jumpglomps LjL
[13:28]  * LjL dodges
[13:28] <Myrtti> :-<
[13:28] <LjL> ugh, was that the sound of a Myrtti splashing into ground
[13:29] <Myrtti> no hugs for you then
[13:31] <LjL> Myrtti: have you got some sleep even, after staying up all those hours waiting for me to voice up
[13:32] <Myrtti> sure
[13:32] <elkbuntu> hmm... decisions decisions. have second icecream for today or not
[13:32] <Myrtti> yay icecream
[13:32] <elkbuntu> hehe
[14:10] <Myrtti> merh.
[14:21] <LjL> jrib: waste him?
[14:21] <jrib> LjL: I assume he wants someone to compromise his system
[14:24] <ikonia> segaman is a known issue
[14:24] <jrib> ah
[14:24] <ikonia> in the bantracker V.Seveas log you'll find him
[14:24] <ikonia> many times
[14:24] <ikonia> he has another nick, something like "sonic_the_mega_hedgehog"
[14:25] <ikonia> he's not been around for ages, but possibly because of the issue he was a while ag o
[14:25] <ikonia> ago
[14:26] <LjL> well, i messaged him and told him i'll remove the mute if he agrees to drop this.
[14:26] <LjL> although i'm not sure he's quite realized he's muted in the first place, since he keeps talking.
[14:27] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:28] <elkbuntu> he never did have much clue
[14:32] <LjL> he's either a bot or has the brain of one
[14:33] <elkbuntu> LjL, dont insult ubottu like that
[14:33] <LjL> heh
[14:33] <LjL> Pici: bad weather in vermont?
[14:34] <Pici> LjL: Nah, just woke up, havent gone out yet.
[14:34] <LjL> uhm, i have a cigarette when i just wake up, you get on irc... and i'm not entirely sure which is worse.
[14:35] <elkbuntu> equal
[14:42] <Pici`_> internet here leaves something to be desired though
[14:43] <Myrtti> ... doesn't internet *always* do that
[14:43] <LjL> Pici`_: connecting how?
[14:45] <LjL> !nickspam > pici`__    (pici`__, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:45] <bazhang> heh
[14:45] <Pici`__> thanks
[14:46] <bazhang> wonder is this blake- is the same blake who is so chronically offtopic
[14:47] <bazhang> err if
[14:48]  * ikonia puts down $50
[14:52]  * ikonia puts down $100 on limcore being a pain
[14:52]  * ikonia ups it to $1000
[14:53] <Pici> No one is going to bet against that
[14:53] <LjL> ikonia, if nobody took it up when it was $50...
[14:53] <ikonia> LjL: thought someone wanted a harder odds challange
[15:09]  * Pici watches limcore in #freenode
[15:09] <Myrtti> jpds: wasn't it you who packaged irssi-otr?
[15:09] <Myrtti> now it seems to be less flaky
[15:10] <Myrtti> I took the latest git version yesterday
[16:30] <bazhang> hehe
[16:31] <jrib> I seriously think young people are not learning how to actually read things anymore
[16:31] <bazhang> forget links; they wont even read what is typed in the channel :)
[16:31] <Mez> You know, I seriously think young people arent reading things anymore.
[16:31] <Mez> :-"
[16:32] <bazhang> a user couple of days ago was given a link and his answer was 'no. I dont have time for that. tell me here NOW.' :)
[16:32] <ompaul> Mez, from here young people is a vague term ;-)
[16:33] <ompaul> bazhang, tell them the answer is there not here ;-) or else ask them why are they trolling
[16:33] <Mez> ompaul, old fogey :D
[16:33] <ompaul> bazhang, actually
[16:33] <ompaul> bazhang, tell them, The community has been asked this question many times before and they worked out the optimal answer and put it on that web page, you need to read.
[16:34] <ompaul> actually maybe call it a
[16:34] <bazhang> ompaul, I fear the 'abusive op' charge I got the other day from tester5/malwir :)
[16:34] <ompaul> pretty optimal - indicating there is leeway
[16:34] <ompaul> bazhang, make that call
[16:34] <ompaul> they can't challenge it
[16:34] <ompaul>  mal ware is a good username I am sure
[16:34] <bazhang> ompaul, you didnt see his response then :)
[16:35] <ompaul> they can't do it for the lulz
[16:35] <bazhang> malware haha
[16:35] <ompaul> cos there are none
[16:35] <ompaul> they can't punch buttons that are not there
[16:36] <ompaul> Mez, this I is btw
[16:36]  * Mez cuddles ompaul
[16:36] <bazhang> hmm wonder why malwir/tester5 never came back to have his mute lifted; perhaps ban evading is more his style
[16:36] <ompaul> bazhang, please see pm
[16:41] <fujisan> Hello, can anyone help me please
[16:41] <fujisan> i have an issue
[16:41] <Nafallo> no, we can't.
[16:41] <Nafallo> ...unless of course you tell us what instead
[16:43] <Myrtti> well hello fujisan
[16:43] <fujisan> OK yesterday i was somewhat dissapointed in the lack community support and acrasial sentiment in #kubuntu, i was branded as a troll, and I refuted this of course and I left the channel, when I tried to return this morning my local time I found that I was banned, I want to know why exactly I was banned, I don't agree with the ban
[16:43] <fujisan> hi Myrtti
[16:44] <fujisan> I just want to know something more substantial than the easy escapegoat of troll
[16:46] <fujisan> just because i had some concise and constructive criticism
[16:46] <bazhang> fujisan, you are banned in there from a ways back; you seem to have ban-evaded by not using your cloak.
[16:46] <fujisan> and I was banned later on for out, so it appears and now I feel disgruntled and dismayed
[16:46] <fujisan> no i have never ban evaded
[16:46] <bazhang> fujisan, ban evasion is a big no no
[16:46] <fujisan> my cloak was taken away
[16:47] <fujisan> i cant use it
[16:47] <fujisan> ask tomaw
[16:47] <fujisan> bazhang:  i didnt do that
[16:47] <bazhang> the ban has never been removed.
[16:47] <fujisan> i wasnt aware that it was still there
[16:47] <Myrtti> well, then, you were allowed to stay in to see how well you'd do
[16:47] <bazhang> @bansearch fujisan
[16:47] <Myrtti> and apparently, you didn't do well enough
[16:47] <fujisan> bazhang:  i dont keep track of that
[16:47] <fujisan> and i cant use my cloak now
[16:47] <bazhang> fujisan, and this is a newer one on top of that
[16:48] <fujisan> Ok maybe i overreacted but it was never my intention to get banned
[16:48] <stdin> @comment 4018
[16:48] <stdin> that's why
[16:48] <fujisan> and I didn't evade on a conscious level
[16:48] <stdin> that's why I decided to watch for a while
[16:49] <fujisan> i can't use my cloak and I wasn't aware there was still a ban
[16:49] <fujisan> i was dissapointed yes and maybe a little acrasial
[16:50] <stdin> if it was just one incident, I wouldn't have banned, but this is not an isolated incident. is it?
[16:50] <fujisan> but never ever was I banevading consciously or trolling
[16:50] <fujisan> I have bettered my behaviour a lot i have counselling and I have medicine for my aspergers
[16:50] <fujisan> I try to do my best
[16:51] <fujisan> sorry my best isn't good enough
[16:51] <fujisan> i never meant for this to happen
[16:51] <stdin> you have to remember that these little lines of text are actually people, and should be treated like people
[16:51] <fujisan> i am trying to realize that yes
[16:51] <fujisan> i have improved a lot i think
[16:52] <fujisan> so can't you please give me a chance to better myself
[16:52] <Myrtti> I think you were already given that chance
[16:52] <fujisan> when... i wasn't aware
[16:52] <Myrtti> by not enforcing the ban the ops knew were there
[16:52] <Myrtti> well that's just funny
[16:52] <fujisan> i didn't know about that
[16:52] <fujisan> my cloak was taken away
[16:52] <Myrtti> you're supposed to act the best you can
[16:52] <Myrtti> nomatter if you have ban or not
[16:52] <fujisan> i am
[16:53] <fujisan> well i am trying
[16:53] <LjL> may i have bantracker access and usage instructions, please?
[16:53] <fujisan> I am not perfect
[16:53] <Myrtti> LjL: sure
[16:54] <fujisan> seems like people here have little understanding of people with disabilities
[16:54] <fujisan> for*
[16:54] <stdin> fujisan: you've read the guidelines and code of conduct before, so I won't point you at those again
[16:55] <fujisan> yes i realize i maybe pushed that one argument too much
[16:55] <stdin> I would like to give you another chance, but then I fear you'd just revert back to old habits
[16:55] <fujisan> but it wasn't that bad I think
[16:55] <fujisan> well i appreciate that
[16:56] <stdin> it's not like we haven't given you "second" chances in the past
[16:56] <stdin> and, every time, regretted it
[16:56] <fujisan> i don't see what is so wrong about what I did this time
[16:56] <fujisan> could you please elaborate
[16:57] <stdin> it's not just one incident
[16:57] <stdin> it's your history and general attitude that we have seen
[16:57] <fujisan> i have improved a lot yes
[16:58] <fujisan> but you clearly want to focus on the negative
[16:58] <fujisan> well fine
[16:58] <fujisan> that's your choice but I can't think like that i have been depressed long enough
[16:58] <fujisan> you cant even give me a good reason now
[16:58] <stdin> I'm focusing on my experience of your behaviour from all the times in the past
[16:58] <fujisan> yeah well i am not the past
[16:59] <fujisan> i am here and now
[16:59] <LjL> with that reasoning, everyone would be unbanned just by claiming they're here and now and not the past
[16:59] <fujisan> i had my dad dying a while back that threw me back a little i am bearly recovering
[16:59] <fujisan> so i have a bad rep and therefore you banned me
[17:00] <Myrtti> you were given a chance, as the bantracker said
[17:00] <LjL> fujisan, i'm sorry, but it's no use telling us how you're disabled and had troubles. not because we don't care, but because you may easily be lying, as people do it all the time. so we can't base ourselves on that sort of things.
[17:00] <nalioth> fujisan: we do not ban on 'reputation', but actions observed
[17:00] <fujisan> I maybe lying but I am not lying i have no reason to lie
[17:00] <nalioth> fujisan: is there anything else we can help you with?
[17:01] <fujisan> you didnt help me at all
[17:01] <fujisan> you just referred me to the past
[17:01] <nalioth> in that case, please read and heed the /topic
[17:01] <fujisan> I guess that's what you get if you expect fairness from members of the current roman empire
[17:02] <fujisan> americans have a bad rep also yet i tolerate them and I am always nice or try to be
[17:02] <stdin> what do americans have to do with anything?
[17:02] <fujisan> what I did wasnt bad I maybe annoyed you a little by exposing some painful facts about #kubuntu
[17:02] <stdin> moron
[17:02] <nalioth> don't feed the trolls
[17:02] <jussi01> oh yay, him again....
[17:02] <LjL> well, americans *are* a bit... cough
[17:02] <stdin> I know, I know
[17:03] <Myrtti> don't tease nalioth, LjL
[17:03] <nalioth> this was 18 minutes wasted
[17:04] <stdin> I just think it's odd how some people say they get discriminated against, then go and make a comment like "I don't like <insert some denomination of people>, but I try to get along with them"
[17:06] <stdin> I think he assumed I was american too, and I'm not sure how to take that :p
[17:09] <jussi01> heh
[17:09]  * Myrtti is happy
[17:09] <Myrtti> nomnom dark chocolate with raspberry
[17:11] <jussi01> meh, dark chocolate...
[17:11]  * jussi01 had Australian choclate yesterday :D Thanks little sister :D
[17:12]  * Myrtti gnarls at jussi01
[17:12] <Myrtti> well I wouldn't have given you any anyway
[17:12] <jussi01> hehe
[17:13] <Myrtti> erh?
[17:14] <jrib> ditto
[17:14] <LjL> watch out for that guy, look at part message...
[17:15] <jussi01> LjL: nice to have you back amongst the living :)
[17:15] <LjL> although zombie wolves have their fascination
[17:15] <bazhang> yes!
[17:16] <stdin> LjL: btw, ubottu will now say "<user> see my private message" when you '!factoid > user', so you don't need the "see the private message" stuff any more :)
[17:16] <LjL> stdin: yeah, i'm not entirely fond of that as it's one more wasted lines... could it perhaps be made not to say that if i add something (like my "see pm") after the command?
[17:16]  * Myrtti huggles LjL
[17:17] <stdin> LjL: well, and it was added by request of others, and I guess it's possible to do that, but not easy
[17:17] <jrib> I like that idea
[17:17]  * stdin will look into that though
[17:18] <LjL> i'm sure the feature is useful for people who don't have an alias like mine, but a few operators used to have it, and if you do have it, it's more expedient...
[17:19] <LjL> after all, the intent of using "tell" is to avoid public messages ;) although i do realize that people are lost and don't get they have a PM
[17:19] <stdin> the point was to make is so you don't need an alias
[17:19] <jrib> I'm just going to pm ubottu commands
[17:19] <jrib> and say "foo see the message I had ubottu send you" or something
[17:19] <LjL> stdin: but there's a difference, it's one more line. the amount of lines counts much more than the amount of characters (or we wouldn't have the "enter" rules), especially with some clients
[17:20] <LjL> jrib: the drawback of that is that new people don't learn how to use the bot (and will probably pester the channel with questions about it)
[17:20] <stdin> well, I'll look into doing that
[17:21] <LjL> jrib: if it weren't for that drawback, i'd have been doing it all the time for sure (i already do it when sending multiple factoids, which is often enough)
[17:22] <jrib> LjL: the problem I have with the parenthetical reminders after the fatoid is that users seem to ignore them too easily
[17:22] <jrib> !lb
[17:22] <jussi01> !search lebanese
[17:23] <jrib> I asked him to join here
[17:23]  * Myrtti gives Mez a piece of raspberry chocolate
[17:23] <Mez> nooo... I is full... I just ate!
[17:23] <Myrtti> dessert
[17:23] <Mez> but I is full...
[17:24] <Myrtti> well keep it for later then
[17:24] <Myrtti> jussi01: :-þ
[17:24] <compengi> jrib, i'm here
[17:24]  * Mez wraps in clingfilm and puts into fridge
[17:24] <jrib> compengi: it's usually helpful to have the factoin in the native language as well in case a user doesn't understand english
[17:24] <stdin> jussi01: '!' is for factoids ;)
[17:25] <jussi01> stdin: yes...?
[17:26] <stdin> jussi01: never mind, I read !search as !bansearch
[17:26] <jrib> compengi: I'll add it as it is now, but it's probably a good idea to also have it in whatever the most spoken language is
[17:26]  * stdin get's some coffee
[17:26] <compengi> jrib, all the people in lebanon that use pc's know english. and lebanon is franco-arabic country so we talk french in addition to arabic and english
[17:26] <jussi01> stdin: :D
[17:26] <LjL> well jrib, it's a balance between pre-empting them and wasting a line in advance, and risking to waste even more lines.  however, i suspect you all tend to overestimate the amount of these incidents... ever considered how many times the "(see pm)" might have actually prevented them from asking? one notice apparent things, and notices less apparent things less
[17:27] <jrib> !lb is <reply> The Lebanese loco team is a couple of clicks away. Discover it's flavor in #ubuntu-lb
[17:27] <jrib> !lb
[17:27] <jrib> compengi: does that seem ok?
[17:27] <LjL> you could even make it that "<nickname>, see the PM from ubottu about <factoid>" actually triggers the factoid in the first place :)
[17:28] <LjL> although that would still make triggering the bot a bit obscure for newbies
[17:28] <compengi> jrib, i think without "a" in this case
[17:29] <LjL> "is couple" doesn't sound right to me
[17:29] <stdin> "is a couple" is more grammatically correct that "is couple"
[17:29] <compengi> yep
[17:29] <jrib> !lb is <reply> The Lebanese loco team is a couple of clicks away. Discover its flavor in #ubuntu-lb
[17:29] <LjL> also, LoCo and its ;)
[17:29] <jrib> !no, lb is <reply> The Lebanese loco team is a couple of clicks away. Discover its flavor in #ubuntu-lb
[17:30] <bazhang> c'est une clique
[17:30] <compengi> same lol
[17:30] <jrib> changed it's to its
[17:31] <compengi> "is a couple" should be "is couple"
[17:31] <LjL> i disagree
[17:31] <stdin> that doesn't make sense
[17:31] <jrib> compengi: "is a couple" sounds better to me as well
[17:31] <Myrtti> silly men
[17:31] <compengi> oh
[17:31] <bazhang> is couple is wrong grammaire
[17:31] <compengi> Myrtti, hehe
[17:31] <Mez> s/is a/is only a/
[17:32] <Mez> !lb =~ s/is a/is only a/
[17:32] <Mez> !lb
[17:32] <LjL> besides, i don't "click" anything to join channels in the first place :P
[17:32] <Mez> s/flavor/flavour
[17:32] <jrib> boo
[17:32] <Myrtti> s/loco/LoCo/
[17:32] <Mez> s/brain//
[17:32] <jrib> !lb =~ s/loco/LoCo/
[17:32] <stdin> sed flood!
[17:32]  * stdin ducks for cover
[17:32]  * jrib strangles ubot5
[17:33] <Mez> /cs kb ubot5
[17:33] <compengi> so Mez and Myrtti make your changes :D
[17:33] <LjL> they did
[17:33] <compengi> oh
[17:33] <LjL> !lb
[17:33] <Myrtti> I didn't do a thing
[17:34]  * Mez points above
[17:34] <LjL> Myrtti: well but jrib did it for ye
[17:34] <Myrtti> yeeesss.. have a lollipop, jrib
[17:34] <compengi> ;)
[17:34] <Myrtti> We appreciate your effort
[17:34] <Mez> !lb =~ s/its/it's/
[17:34] <LjL> ...
[17:34] <jrib> heh
[17:34] <Mez> the flavour belinging to it..
[17:34] <Myrtti> Mez: would you mind fixing that
[17:34] <jrib> it's = it is
[17:34]  * Myrtti waves her hand
[17:35] <stdin> Mez: "discover it is flavour"
[17:35] <Myrtti> fix it
[17:35] <bazhang> bzzt
[17:35] <LjL> look can't it just be "Join #ubuntu-lb for the Lebanese team"?
[17:35] <Mez> IT'S A POSSESIVE APOSTROPHE!!!
[17:35] <Myrtti> LjL: you're ruining our fun
[17:35] <bazhang> join or else!
[17:35] <Myrtti> besides
[17:35] <Myrtti> now it has a coffee flavour
[17:35] <jrib> !lb is just ask compengi
[17:35] <compengi> LjL, they are right :P
[17:35] <stdin> all your apostrophes are belong to us
[17:36] <Myrtti> I liek coffee
[17:36] <compengi> it's actually "flavor" not "flavour"
[17:36]  * jrib high fives compengi
[17:36] <Mez> compengi, in what language?>
[17:37] <Myrtti> tsk
[17:37] <stdin> compengi: flavor is not a word
[17:37] <compengi> Mez, in english :D
[17:37] <compengi> O.o
[17:37] <Myrtti> compengi: you're arguing with an Englishman
[17:37] <Mez> compengi, then I suggest you learn english ;) as It's flavour :D
[17:37] <Mez> flavor = americanese
[17:37]  * Myrtti nods
[17:37] <LjL> i suggest you do it the wikipedia way
[17:38] <Myrtti> GOOGLEFIGHT!
[17:38] <Myrtti> no
[17:38] <compengi> wiki says both flavour or flavor
[17:38] <Myrtti> flavour
[17:38] <LjL> no - leave the spelling conventions alone as long as they're consistent in a given factoid
[17:38] <compengi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavour_(particle_physics)
[17:38] <Myrtti> !lb =~ /flavor/flavour/
[17:38]  * stdin runs "sed s/color/colour/g" on the world
[17:38] <Myrtti> fixed
[17:38] <Myrtti> run along now kids
[17:38] <Myrtti> nothing to see here
[17:39] <LjL> compengi: of course it does, because the american standard is "flavor"
[17:39] <compengi> yep :)
[17:39] <jrib> we still need to s/it's/its
[17:39] <LjL> yet, who said this channel employs the british standard...
[17:39] <Myrtti> !lb =~ /it's/its/
[17:39] <compengi> :P
[17:40] <stdin> you know the factoid log probably just grew by 10Mb :p
[17:40] <LjL> !lb is <reply> The Lebanese [Ll]o[Cc]o team is only a? ?couple of clicks away. Discover it'?s flavou?r in #ubuntu-lb
[17:40] <Mez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[17:41] <LjL> acronym is "initialism" in british english? duh
[17:41] <jrib> ubottu should detect the location of an ip and determine which spelling to use
[17:41] <LjL> jrib: as he said
[17:42] <jrib> ha
[17:42] <compengi> :D
[17:42] <compengi> !brain
[17:43] <LjL> Myrtti: anyway, as you suggested googlefight.... flavor wins over flavour there.
[17:43] <LjL> !lb =~ /flavor/flavour/
[17:43] <LjL> !lb =~ /flavour/flavor/
[17:43] <Myrtti> damnit
[17:44] <compengi> hehe.. american vs. british standart wars never end :P
[17:44] <compengi> standard*
[17:44] <LjL> Myrtti: by a margin, and increasing! http://www.google.com/trends?q=flavor%2Cflavour
[17:45] <Nafallo> compengi: sure they do. Americans are wrong. that has always been the case.
[17:45] <Myrtti> exceptions enforce the rule
[17:45] <compengi> Nafallo, ;)
[17:46] <compengi> i went to an american school that's why i just feel the other standard wrong
[17:47] <Myrtti> and we're taught British English
[17:47] <compengi> nope
[17:47] <stdin> it was flavour before it was flavor ;)
[17:47] <Myrtti> we as in student in Finland
[17:47] <compengi> yrp
[17:47] <compengi> yep*
[17:47] <Myrtti> studentS even.
[17:47] <LjL> stdin: and it was debian before it was ubuntu, so
[17:48]  * Myrtti puts a black guinea pig on the table
[17:48] <Myrtti> LOOK!
[17:48] <Myrtti> A GUINEA PIG!
[17:48] <Nafallo> LjL: not the same thing. only USA thinks Americans speak English anyway...
[17:48] <Myrtti> awwwwww
[17:48] <stdin> as ubottu says, ubuntu is not debian
[17:49] <LjL> Nafallo: that's just your mindset because you believe swedish and norwegian are different languages
[17:49] <stdin> /topic #ubuntu-ops en_US vs en_GB, who will win? YOU decide!
[17:49] <Nafallo> LjL: they are. they haz other characters.
[17:49] <LjL> ooh right, the other charz! i forgotz.
[17:49] <compengi> haha
[17:49] <Nafallo> LjL: where have you been anyway? :-)
[17:50] <Nafallo> LjL: USA by the sounds of things... ;-)
[17:50] <LjL> Nafallo: ska aldrig gøre den dær mistog igen
[17:50] <LjL> nah
[17:50] <LjL> just alps
[17:50] <Myrtti> howling at the moon
[17:50] <Nafallo> Myrtti: s/$/\ in\ American/
[17:50] <Nafallo> ;-)
[17:51] <LjL> yeah, i hol, i don't howl
[17:52]  * LjL goes buy a dvd burner
[17:52] <compengi> LjL, even beter :P
[17:52] <compengi> better*
[17:53] <LjL> hope i find an IDE one
[17:54] <compengi> oh. you should. that technology should be kept :)
[17:54] <compengi> btw it was a long time i didn't see gnomefreak around
[17:56] <Seeker`> is fujisan a name I should watch? I remember that one of the nicks beginning with "fuji" was bad
[17:57] <stdin> Seeker`: short answer: "Yes"
[17:57] <Seeker`> fair enough :P
[17:58] <stdin> read up from around 16:41 in here
[18:02] <Seeker`> hmm
[18:05] <jussi01> Seeker`: let me guess, came into -uk and said something about americans?
[18:08] <Seeker`> jussi01: nope
[18:08] <Seeker`> jussi01: he asked about whether there is a kubuntu-uk, and what time "Match of the day" is on
[18:09] <jussi01> ok, pleasantly suprised :)
[18:09] <stdin> but he did call be ubiquitous :)
[18:14] <javaJake> If I were to propose a new idea for Ubuntu IRC support, would this be the place?
[18:14] <Seeker`> javaJake: yes, it woud
[18:15] <javaJake> OK
[18:15] <javaJake> I have created a new channel called "Unofficial Ubuntu Assistance". The idea is to replicate commercial one-on-one chat/phone support, but within the IRC framework.
[18:15] <javaJake> #uua is its home
[18:16] <Seeker`> how does it "replicate commercial ... support"
[18:16] <javaJake> I think this is a really great idea (of course) so I want it to work. However, 1) I don't want to step on anyone's toes and 2) don't want to be unrealistic.
[18:16] <Seeker`> in what way is it different from the existing channels
[18:16] <nalioth> javaJake: we have one-on-one support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #edubuntu and #xubuntu now
[18:17] <javaJake> Seeker`: basically the main channel is the "waiting room", and you talk to the bot to get your problem announced to registered assistants.
[18:17] <javaJake> Seeker`: yes, but #uua is designed for the long problems, the ones that take a lot of effort and communication to work out
[18:17] <Seeker`> javaJake: what do you think happens in #ubuntu at the moment?
[18:17] <javaJake> #ubuntu can be a little crouded for that
[18:17] <nalioth> javaJake: we invite folks to #ubuntu-classroom or ##[my nick] for that sort of thing now
[18:18] <javaJake> Seeker`: look, I'm not saying #ubuntu is _bad_ or even should be replaced.
[18:18] <Seeker`> I've seen (and been involved in) helping peope with problems that have taken a couple of hours to fix
[18:18] <Seeker`> in #ubuntu
[18:18] <javaJake> I understand.
[18:18] <javaJake> Please don't be offended. :P
[18:18] <Seeker`> we aren't offended
[18:19] <javaJake> OK.
[18:19] <Seeker`> the other thing is, one-on-one support in PM etc. means that ony 1 person can help
[18:19] <javaJake> Seeker`: one person at a time, at the least.
[18:19] <javaJake> Seeker`: however, others can join in the conversation in the private talks of #uua...
[18:19] <Seeker`> in a big channel like ubunutu, people monitor the messages - they may see a problem develop, and suddenly they realise that the solution is something they have seen before
[18:20] <Seeker`> and then they can pipe in with support
[18:20] <Seeker`> and in #ubuntu, there are 1300 or so sets of eyes. Granted not all of them at once, and not everyone can help
[18:20] <compengi> javaJake, there is something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaChannel
[18:21] <javaJake> Seeker`: again, I don't discount #ubuntu's usefulness
[18:21] <javaJake> I'm saying that there are problems, though, inherint to #ubuntu
[18:22] <Seeker`> the main "issue" I see with channels like that is that if people want to help, it divides the effort
[18:22] <Seeker`> most people can only seriously concentrate on one channel at a time with support
[18:22] <jussi01> !idle > compengi
[18:22] <Seeker`> so if half of the people go to #u, and the other half go to #uua, there are only half the number of helpers in each channel
[18:23] <Seeker`> also, you would get people joining both channels and asking their question there
[18:23] <javaJake> True, true....
[18:23] <Seeker`> which means you would have half the number of poeple giving support, with the same number of questions
[18:23] <javaJake> Hmmmm
[18:23] <Seeker`> sorry if it seems like I am trying to shoot down your idea
[18:23] <javaJake> Yea, no, this is good.
[18:23] <javaJake> This is very good. :)
[18:24] <Seeker`> it really is great that people want to try to come up with better ideas
[18:24] <Seeker`> its just that many many people have suggested what basically amounts to "split up #ubuntu" in various guises
[18:25] <javaJake> Yea, well, perhaps #ubuntu should be revised. ;)
[18:25] <Seeker`> and it has been discussed at length, and the general concensus seems to be that it isn't the best thing to do for the community
[18:25] <javaJake> It's just disheartening to see people's problems ignored because they're too complex. :/
[18:26] <Seeker`> yeah
[18:26] <javaJake> The essence of #uua is to try and encourage lengthy support discussions.
[18:26] <stdin> LjL: looks like your MetaBot bzr branch is broken, it only has symlinks
[18:26] <Seeker`> but dont forget that there are the forums and launchpad too
[18:26] <javaJake> Yes, but even there...
[18:27] <javaJake> It can take a week to get a problem solved, just because of back-and-forth communication
[18:27] <javaJake> I tried to combine the forum "topics" and IRC real-time chat with #uua.
[18:28] <javaJake> Hmmmmmm...
[18:29] <javaJake> Well, I dunno what you guys would think of this...
[18:30] <javaJake> But to avoid splitting the community up, I could combine #uua and #ubuntu... where #ubuntu replaces the main #uua channel but private discussion channels can still be initiated from #ubuntu or PMing.
[18:30] <javaJake> Heh :P
[18:30] <javaJake> Nvm
[18:30]  * javaJake is thinking on his feet
[18:31] <javaJake> I don't know, there's got to be a way, because 1-on-1 is very effective in my experience. I've been more productive over IM or private channels than in #ubuntu.
[18:31] <bazhang> javaJake, then invite them to PM you
[18:32] <sayers> UUA is ingenious !
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: If you ignore the other traffic in the channel, and only conentreate on people addressing you, it is virtually 1-to-1
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: with the advantage that othe rpeople can join in
[18:32] <bazhang> sayers, how may we help you
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: People tend not to answer questions because they dont know the answer
[18:32] <javaJake> Seeker`: right...
[18:32] <nalioth> javaJake: we do that now ( take folks aside to less busy channel(s) )
[18:32] <Seeker`> javaJake: Just because it is a smaller channel doesn't mean that people would magically know the answers
[18:33] <javaJake> sayers: don't need your help. Thank you anyway.
[18:34] <PriceChild> So what's going on, are you trying to sell this to us?
[18:34] <javaJake> Seeker`: no, but it means it magically becomes more friendly to answers ;)
[18:34] <javaJake> PriceChild: no, not at all.
[18:34] <Seeker`> javaJake: I fail to see how :)
[18:34] <javaJake> Really, I was only here to see what you guys thought
[18:35] <Seeker`> javaJake: If someone sees a question they can answer in #u, they say "nick: Try this"
[18:35] <Seeker`> and the other person replies "helper: Ok, what now?"
[18:35] <Seeker`> and it is a 1-to-1 conversation
[18:35] <javaJake> And if you guys liked it, maybe extras would follow, but I wasn't expecting anything :P
[18:35] <Seeker`> all it takes is a little common sense to hilight the person you are talking to, and replies dont get lost
[18:36] <javaJake> OK, yes.
[18:36] <javaJake> Again... #ubuntu works, but in some spots it fails
[18:37] <javaJake> But I see we'll have to agree to disagree...
[18:38] <javaJake> How long does it take for MetaBot to announce a problem in #ubuntu-meta?
[18:39] <javaJake> OK, if I can be a bothersome jerk... ;)
[18:40] <Seeker`> javaJake: 4 minutes
[18:40] <Seeker`> javaJake: It says that on the wiki page
[18:41] <javaJake> OK
[18:43] <javaJake> Hmm, after observing #ubuntu for five minutes, MetaBot works really well :D
[18:44] <javaJake> Well, thanks for the conversation Seeker` :)
[18:46] <Seeker`> I would have placed money on a suggestion involving a new channel that replicates, in part, #ubuntu, but with it being "less busy"
[18:47]  * PriceChild wonders what that was about
[18:51] <Seeker`> PriceChild: A new channel where people go and ask their question, and a "registered helper" helps them, 1-on-1
[18:51] <PriceChild> No just wondering why they came here.
[18:52] <Seeker`> the ops "run" ubuntu channels
[19:37] <Myrtti> hello
[19:39] <bazhang> hi Myrtti :)
[20:50] <Flannel> blah wols
[20:51] <jpds> Myrtti: re: -otr - True.
[20:57] <Myrtti> though - now I managed to make it segfault
[20:57] <Myrtti> my touchpad stopped working
[20:57] <jpds> Closing a /query?
[20:58] <Myrtti> /otr finish
[20:58] <Myrtti> I think
[20:58] <jpds> Never had a segfault doing that... I sometimes do randomly doing /query tho..
[21:56] <Flannel> Mmmm.
[21:56] <Flannel> I realised that could be taken... wrongly.  too late


 I see only base bundle available
[13:06] <viswa> Can someone help me on this
[13:21] <viswa> Can I get openstack bundle with HA configuration? I see only base bundle available
[13:57] <pmatulis1> viswa, i do not believe there is an official HA bundle
[13:58] <viswa> pmatulis1 yes I don't see that and Googled myself for it; Unfortunately no.
[13:59] <viswa> No document from Juju openstack on what needs to be considered for high availability in terms of services and releationship defined.
[17:39] <viswa> Hi All, how to delete all the apps inside the model without destroying the model itself
[17:59] <achilleasa_> viswa: juju doesn't have a built-in command for that. However you can probably use something like this to do the trick: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZWsbVyhxcc/


[00:22] <xubuntu98w> im trying to download xubuntu for the first timeand I am having issues. once I start the virtualbox with storage pointed to the .iso the screen loads then goes green. I never get to the installation screen. does anyone know what my issue is? I am trying to learn Linux for the first time
[05:38] <insidious> Anyone know easy way to install themes for xubuntu... like how to add the folders etc
[05:38] <insidious> because it tells me i cant move the files because i dont have permissions.
[05:40] <Unit193> Why not use ~/.themes/ ?
[05:40] <insidious> yeah how to i move the folder over?
[05:40] <insidious> when i try to move them to that
[05:40] <insidious> tells me permisson denied.
[09:10] <xubuntu93w> Hi, guys
[09:10] <xubuntu93w> I've recently upgraded to xubuntu 16.04 and my panels are behaving strangely
[09:10] <xubuntu93w> I had a vertical panel and the text on the buttons and applets was vertical
[09:11] <xubuntu93w> after the upgrade everything is horizontal unless I hover the mouse
[09:11] <xubuntu93w> tried deleting the panel and building it again, but I'm not that lucky, apparently
[12:55] <xubuntu26i> hi
[12:56] <xubuntu26i> como podria conectar mi auricular a2dp?
[13:37] <FernandoBasso> xubuntu93w: What if you mv your ~/.config/xfce4 away and start with a fresh config?
[13:47] <GeekDude> It seems that libtopmenu-qt just isn't a thing anymore. I can't find build instructions for 16.04 or a working build anywhere
[14:47] <Codfection> hello
[14:47] <Codfection> xubuntu or ubuntu. confused.
[14:48] <Tlin> Hi guys. I have a small problem with xubuntu connected to a monitor and a TV. During login, the login dialog only appears on my TV but the TV is normally switched off -> no login screen on my monitor. If I move the mouse to the right side far enough, the login screen appears on my monitor. How can I get xubuntu to display the login dialog on the correct monitor by default (or on all screens like in the old versions?)
[14:50] <Pici> Codfection: confused about what?
[14:50] <Codfection> which one to choose
[14:50] <Codfection> will I loose packages or developers tools in xubuntu as compared to ubuntu
[15:02] <Pici> Codfection: nope, all the Ubuntu flavors share the same repositiories, so you can intall whatever you want on either
[15:02] <Pici> (sorry for lat reply, kinda busy here)
[15:07] <Codfection> Pici, which one are you using :)
[15:08] <Pici> Codfection: I use xubuntu, but I don't do a lot of desktop work.  Nearly everything is done in a terminal.
[15:08] <GridCube> Tlin: while both the monitor and the tv are on go to the monitor settings page and move the main monitor to the left
[15:09] <GridCube> Tlin: then do this http://askubuntu.com/questions/360886/personalize-monitor-position-before-login
[15:26] <xubuntu75w> hello
[15:26] <xubuntu75w> can anyone help me?
[15:30] <Tlin> GridCube: Tanks for the reply. There is no .config/monitors.xml in my home folder. Do I miss something? Maybe the path changed?
[15:31] <GridCube> mmm
[15:31] <GridCube> it has to be somewhere
[15:32] <GridCube> Tlin: do a locate monitors.xml
[15:32] <Tlin> Nothing found
[15:34] <Tlin> GridCube: But I get this right: Turn both screens on, go to Menu->Settings->Display, move the TV to the right, click apply.
[15:34] <GridCube> yeah
[15:34] <GridCube> you make the left screen the main one
[15:35] <Tlin> GridCube: Okay, I did this, but there is no config file. Maybe it got renamed or something?
[15:35] <GridCube> i don't know, sorry
[15:41] <Tlin> GridCube: Thank you. Maybe some else has a clue where monitors.xml moved in XUbunut 16.04?
[16:03] <xubuntu52w> Hi... I just downloaded xubuntu,and thig I need is to instal skype. What version f Skype I can use?
[16:42] <xangua> Tlin: you can install Skype from software boutique after enabling the partner repository
[16:42] <xangua> ! Partner
[17:15] <GeekDude> I've moved a physical installation into a VirtualBox virtual machine. It boots to TTY1, then a few seconds later it goes to a blank console with a flashing cursor. I think it's trying to use the proprietary physical gpu drivers to boot into X, and I'm not sure how to disable that
[17:31] <Codfection> ubuntu xubuntu lubuntu kubuntu dubuntu
[17:31] <Codfection> which one is good?
[17:37] <GeekDude> All of them? Never heard of dubuntu
[17:38] <flocculant> Codfection: trry them all - make a decision, personally xubuntu - but imagine that in an xubuntu channel
[17:39] <Codfection> actually I have tried xfce in arch and really liked it
[17:39] <Codfection> but want it on more stable system so read about xubuntu
[17:40] <flocculant> so why ask about other de's?
[17:40] <flocculant> what were you expecting people to say :)
[17:40] <Codfection> xubuntu is lighter or ubuntu mate?
[17:40] <flocculant> if you want a more open discussion - #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:40] <Codfection> just wanna know is xubuntu lighter on system resources?
[17:40] <flocculant> Codfection: about the same I'd say
[17:40] <Codfection> oh ok
[17:41] <flocculant> Codfection: can't really answer that - don't use it
[17:41] <FernandoBasso> Xubuntu is the most sensible choice for a distro nowadays. Period. :D
[17:41] <Codfection> in #xfce people are recommending me arch with xfce for better experience
[17:42] <flocculant> and before this gets longer - this is a support channel for xubuntu - hence -offtopic
[17:42] <flocculant> Codfection: exactly :)
[17:42] <flocculant> go to #windows and ask their opinion :p
[17:44] <Codfection> this channel is not busy.. so why not ask here
[17:44] <Codfection> but anyway I am gonna try xubuntu. thanks :)
[17:46] <FernandoBasso> Also remember to try vim and emacs. :D
[17:46]  * FernandoBasso runs in fear for his life.
[17:46] <Codfection> why not IDE? FernandoBasso
[17:49] <FernandoBasso> Let's move to -offitopic. I don't want to get banned. It hurt my feelings the last time it happened.
[20:24] <puckz> GE! OK, I've done something stupid... In the menu newly installed software has been placed in sort order. If you look at https://ax25.org/files/Whisker.png you can see that when I installed Hexchat it worked properly. Then I made some changes... don't no what. When I this evening installed Mumble it was placed last in the list. What have I done? Thankful for any help!
[20:56] <GeekDude> puckz: what's the problem? I don't understand. You can click and drag icons around in there, and use right click to add/remove/sort them
[20:58] <GeekDude> Transmission is at the top of the list, which wouldn't be alphabetical order
[20:59] <pjotter> Hi everybody. I was just wondering: Why do some applications look so different than most other applications in 16.04? Like: Software center and Catfish for example. They look they have completly other windows managers than all other applications? Is there a way to change that?
[21:05] <knome> pjotter, that's because they are gtk3, not gtk2. and no, there is no way to change that.
[21:06] <pjotter> Ok
[21:06] <knome> pjotter, fwiw, whole xfce (and pretty much any app in the gtk land) should be migrating to gtk3 sooner or later, so at that point everything should look the same
[21:06] <pjotter> So, there is no gtk3 windows manager or something I can add to the system?
[21:07] <knome> if you are using greybird, you are already having one of the most unified looks you can achieve at the moment
[21:08] <pjotter> I using a different theme with kokodi.
[21:08] <knome> either case, there's really not much you can do.
[21:08] <knome> gtk3 apps *will* look different no matter what you do.
[21:08] <pjotter> Just curious though: How come Catfish looked ok in 14.04 and not in 16.04 anymore?
[21:08] <knome> catfish is ported to gtk3 between that time.
[21:08] <pjotter> ah ok
[21:09] <knome> so as i said, everything should slowly convert to gtk3
[21:09] <pjotter> So, reverting back to the old catfish could be a sollution?
[21:09] <knome> i can't recommend that, but sure, you'd get the gtk2 look
[21:10] <pjotter> alright. I will do that. SOftware centre is not much of a problem really as I mainly use Synaptic for installing apps.
[21:10] <knome> please note that then you will be left with all bugs in the gtk2 version.
[21:10] <knome> and practically no support.
[21:11] <pjotter> I'll glady accept those bug in favour of nicer looking windows :D
[21:11] <knome> one more disclaimer:
[21:11] <knome> you can run but you can't hide. the gtk3 stuff is landing everywhere.
[21:12] <pjotter> Well, I just need something that works. These windows have no borders, look very confusing in my theme and can;t be scaled and such. It;s rewally not an option atm.
[21:12] <knome> if they have no borders, it's likely a bug
[21:12] <knome> do they have borders with other themes?
[21:13] <pjotter> Let me check..
[21:13] <knome> the most sound way to check that is to change both the gtk theme and the window border theme to greybird
[21:13] <pjotter> Yes, greybird has tiny borders
[21:13] <knome> ok... and kokodi doesn't have any borders at all?
[21:14] <pjotter> Well, kokodi has borders. That;s the reason I always select kokodi: for the nice thick clickable borders.
[21:15] <knome> but you say your windows do not have borders
[21:15] <knome> do they have them or not?
[21:15] <pjotter> Only when I select greybird.
[21:16] <pjotter> No wait.. Adwaita has borders too (this is themes I am talking about, not windows manager themes)\
[21:16] <knome> okay
[21:16] <knome> then the bug is in your theme
[21:16] <knome> eg. kokodi
[21:16] <pjotter> Well, no not really.
[21:16] <knome> no?
[21:17] <knome> if both greybird and adwaita show themes with gtk3 apps and kokodi doesn't, how could the bug be somewhere else?
[21:17] <pjotter> Cganing wndows manager theme does nothing to those applications. Only changing theme does.
[21:17] <knome> ok, so with what theme do you not have the borders?
[21:18] <pjotter> Numix doesn;t appear to have borders
[21:18] <knome> then the bug is in numix
[21:19] <pjotter> Probably.This is the Numix that come standard with installation though.
[21:19] <knome> yeah... unfortunately we couldn't make our ISO bugfree ;)
[21:20] <knome> maybe somebody suggested this to you already, but you could download the latest numix version online, and use that
[21:20] <pjotter> Well, I actually use another theme right now
[21:20] <knome> as far as i know, numix should generally have good gtk3 support
[21:20] <knome> other themes might not
[21:20] <pjotter> Like Numix it also gives no borders in those gtk3 apps
[21:21] <knome> if they don't have borders, then you need to be in touch with the theme developers
[21:21] <pjotter> I understand
[21:21] <knome> chances are that they aren't really maintaining the themes any more though
[21:21] <knome> fixing theme issues like that by downgrading packages isn't really a sound workaround.
[21:21] <pjotter> One day I'll create my own supertheme.
[21:22] <knome> once gtk3 is more static, and widely used by apps, that should be "a bit" easier than now
[21:22] <knome> but i'm looking forward to it. there's never enough good themes around (even if i don't want to use them myself..)
[21:23] <pjotter> Maybe I'll chack in once in a while to see how the gtk3 thing is coming along. But in the meanwhile I just need a workable system and those apps really don;t work well as they are right now.
[21:23] <knome> the workable system is to use a theme that supports gtk3
[21:23] <pjotter> Well, do you have a suggestion?
[21:24] <knome> greybird or adwaita OOTB, or numix from its repository
[21:24] <knome> there might be others, but these are the ones i know
[21:24] <knome> adwaita specifically, as it's the default theme for gtk3 - it's actually built in in it.
[21:25] <knome> but greybird in xubuntu always has good support too, as the xubuntu/shimmer team is committed to keep it working
[21:26] <Unit193> There's that Arc theme.
[21:26] <pjotter> So you would suggest Graybird as theme and also as windows manager?
[21:26] <pjotter> Greybird
[21:26] <knome> pjotter, if greybird as the gtk theme and something else as the windows manager theme works, then that should be fine
[21:27] <knome> but greybird and greybird is the xubuntu-supported pair.
[21:27] <knome> (it's the default too, that's why it's kept in shape)
[21:29] <pjotter> I understand. One thing I don't understand about that is why does greybiord has such thin borders? Many apps can be resized by clicking and dragging the borders. But with borders of one pixel it is very hard to actually click on that. That's the main reason I don't use greybird.
[21:29] <knome>  http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[21:29] <knome> that's still accurate..
[21:29] <knome> well, in most part.
[21:32] <pjotter> So, there are all sorts of ways to resize windows, but the most obvious one (clicking grabbing borders) is left out? I understand there are more ways to resize windows but resizing by clicking dragging windowsborders are much faster/intuitve than most of the mentioned sollutions, not?
[21:32] <knome> depends really.
[21:39] <pjotter> Unfortunately the alt-right click method doens't work well with a wacom tablet I use...
[21:39] <pjotter> O wait.. now it does :D
[21:40] <pjotter> (pushed the wrong button)


[03:34] <ross_> I'm having trouble with NickServ.  Is there a way to reset your password?
[03:36] <krytarik> ross_: See "/msg NickServ help sendpass"
[06:35] <jonathan_x> My firmware raid kept failing in Linux (and not in Windows) but maybe something was wrong with the sata cable after all. I hope.
[06:36] <jonathan_x> Bought a second hand "raid set" sata cable but maybe I got scammed.
[06:40] <jonathan_x> Lots of people willing to sell you bad stuff in the hopes that you will only find out when it's too late.
[07:02] <jonathan_x> My second hand experience hasn't been good at all as of late... :(.
[09:37] <Guest39316> is gvim available for kde distros?
[10:14] <jonathan_x> I have a dmraid that I'm trying to copy information off but the array starts malfunctioning (in linux) after a few hundred gigabyte.
[10:14] <jonathan_x> Any advice?
[10:14] <jonathan_x> The way this goes I have to reboot 10 times in order to copy 2000GB.
[10:14] <jonathan_x> :p.
[10:15] <jonathan_x> There is consistently one disk (the first) that starts failing (completely) but I don't think anything is wrong with it.
[10:15] <jonathan_x> I can't even send smart commands to it now.
[10:17] <jonathan_x> I could try to clone it in Windows though but that seems not such a great idea...
[15:31] <miroslavrd> hi
[15:31] <miroslavrd> this is me testing kubuntu
[15:32] <miroslavrd> so, bye
[16:09] <IrcsomeBot2> sashkevich was added by: sashkevich


 I should be ok to be at all sessions today, though
[09:57] <davidcalle> dpm: ouch, get some rest until then
[09:57] <dpm> just quite awkward to type with this thing, so I probably won't be the one taking notes :)
[09:58] <dpm> today should be ok, but I'd like to see what we can do with tomorrow's sessions
[10:57] <davidcalle> dpm: dholbach: mhall119: popey I won't be very responsive until UOS time: my laptop won't boot (graphics related apparently), I'm in the middle of a Live USB -> backup to external drive -> Fresh install -> recover backup. Indicates ~2h left to complete the backup.
[11:27] <dpm> davidcalle, ack. Just finishing off the opening session slides
[11:42] <dpm> davidcalle, would you happen to have https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/82bd298b-6324-4c6e-854f-0dc60ebac9d3-cms_page_media/1132/g5095.png without the background?
[11:43] <davidcalle> dpm: possibly yes, hold on
[11:43] <dpm> davidcalle, great, thanks. Im considering to add it to the presentation
[11:49] <davidcalle> dpm: http://i.imgur.com/Z3GhRte.png
[11:53] <dpm> dholbach, popey, could one of you pre-schedule the UOS opening session and the Community Q&A on the Ubuntu On Air account for me? It won't let me in and it asks me for entering a code sent to the phone number registered with the account
[11:53] <dpm> thanks davidcalle!
[11:57] <davidcalle> Argh, external drive just unmounted
[12:26] <mhall119> dpm: dholbach: did one of you try and log into the ubuntu-on-air account?
[12:26] <mhall119> I'm getting messages from Google about them blocking a login
[12:27] <mhall119> I also have a verification code sent to my phone
[12:35] <dholbach> mhall119, dpm, davidcalle, popey: sorry, just got back from lunch with my parents - did one of you figure out the issue?
[12:35] <dholbach> also: why does it need to be the uonair account?
[12:38] <dpm> mhall119, see above, I couldn't log in
[12:41] <dpm> dholbach, I think for the most popular sessions it's good that the UoA subscribers get notified
[12:41] <dholbach> ok
[12:41] <dholbach> mhall119, did ahoneybun give a time when the kubuntu podcast should be held?
[12:41] <dpm> we generally do the plenaries with that account
[12:42] <dholbach> the session is in summit, but not scheduled yet
[12:42] <dpm> dholbach, could you log into the uoa account?
[12:43] <dholbach> yes
[12:45] <dholbach> dpm, ^
[12:46] <dpm> dholbach, ah, cool, thanks. Could you pre-schedule the opening and community Q&A sessions?
[12:46] <dholbach> hohum
[12:46] <dholbach> does that mean I will have to run them?
[12:47] <dpm> dholbach, no
[12:48] <dpm> dholbach, this is just about pre-scheduling so that the UoA subscribers get notified
[12:48] <dholbach> ok
[12:48] <dholbach> both scheduled
[12:49] <dpm> dholbach, thanks! One last thing: could you start the opening one (without hitting Broadcast) and give me the link to join the hangout? It'll make it easier for me to get all Engineering Managers in the call
[12:50] <mhall119> dholbach: 1900
[12:50] <dholbach> mhall119, which day?
[12:50] <dholbach> dpm, so I'll run that one?
[12:51]  * davidcalle has finished fixing his laptop \o/
[12:51] <mhall119> dholbach: wednesday
[12:51] <dholbach> davidcalle, nice one - just in time!
[12:51] <dpm> dholbach, no, you can just run it shortly to get the link and then close it. mhall119 will be running that one
[12:51] <dholbach> dpm, oh ok
[12:51] <dpm> I just need the link to join in
[12:51] <dpm> and that only appears if you start the hangout
[12:52] <dpm> unfortunately I'm blocked for getting into the uoa account, so I cannot do it myself
[12:52] <dholbach> hum
[12:52] <dholbach> but will somebody other than me be able to hit the broadcast button now?
[12:53] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: ^
[12:53] <dholbach> I udpated summit with the session info too
[12:53] <dholbach> can I close the hangout window again now?
[12:54] <dpm> dholbach, yes, thanks!
[12:55] <dholbach> ok, cool
[12:55] <dpm> dholbach, ah, forgot to ask you, could you run the session?
[12:55]  * dpm kidding :P
[12:56] <dholbach> sorry, I can't hear you
[12:56] <dholbach> I'm back at the pool
[12:56] <mhall119> dpm: dholbach it looks like I can use the UOA account
[12:56] <dholbach> \o/
[12:56] <dpm> ah, phew
[13:05] <dholbach> mhall119, I put the kubuntu podcast in the overflow track
[13:28] <mhall119> thanks dholbach
[13:28] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ^^
[13:50]  * davidcalle drives home, brb
[14:48] <dholbach> bah, my network is not the greatest today... or at least my connection to google hq
[14:48] <dholbach> not the best day for this - I hope it resolves itself quickly
[14:52] <popey> mine keeps dropping too. very odd. It's like they know!  😃
[14:53] <dholbach> hah, yes
[14:53] <dholbach> popey, davidcalle: can you join #ubuntu-uos-community too?
[14:54] <davidcalle> dholbach: o/
[15:59] <dpm> jcastro, are you setting up the discourse session, do you need me on that one? Otherwise I'll join the snappy interfaces one
[15:59] <jcastro> oh, I was hoping to just participate
[15:59] <jcastro> I wasn't expecting to run it, lol
[16:00] <dpm> jcastro, forgetting the rule "I propose it, I run it?" :)
[16:00] <dpm> or did someone else propose it
[16:00] <jcastro> dunno, on it
[16:00] <dpm> thanks jcastro
[16:01] <dpm> dholbach, I'll probably join the discourse session for a bit and then come to the interfaces one
[16:03] <dholbach> dpm, cool
[16:34] <jcastro> popey: posted, going to sticky now
[16:34] <jcastro> posted in r/ubuntu
[16:47] <popey> thanks
[16:48] <popey> jcastro: maybe call it "Bash on Windows" or "Ubuntu on Windows" - "Ubuntu On Bash (with MS)?" isn't the official name, so is a bit confusing
[16:58] <jcastro> ok, fixing
[18:36] <ahoneybun> thanks mhall119 and dholbach
[18:36] <dholbach> anytime
[18:42] <mhall119> np


[01:45] <rick_h_> hatch: I don't know if I'll hug you or send a punch-o-gram when I see the diff. :P
[02:40] <hatch> haha rick_h_ you still atound?
[02:42] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, chilling
[02:42] <rick_h_> calculating shipping times. Want to order this desktop but think it'll show up while we're in oakland doh!
[02:43] <hatch> cool - well in that case I'll work on creating a branch for the multiple dispatching bug
[02:43] <rick_h_> hatch: hah! you're just a day late :P I'll be very happy to see it go though. Congrats on hunting that down.
[02:43]  * rick_h_ isn't worthy
[02:44] <hatch> lol thanks it's actually only a +3 -4 diff
[02:45] <rick_h_> lol, programming isn't putting lines of code to the file, it's getting the *right* lies of code to the file.
[02:45] <hatch> haha unfortunately
[02:46] <rick_h_> the browser is working pretty nicely on the N10 in chrome and FF. /me keeps tinkering with it
[02:47] <hatch> awesome, what kind of computer are you looking at?
[02:47] <rick_h_> though chrome's reload on tab select FML
[02:47] <rick_h_> ah, system76 leopard extreme
[02:47] <hatch> lol, why don't you build?
[02:48] <rick_h_> https://www.system76.com/desktops/model/leox3
[02:48] <rick_h_> sick of building. I built forever and got sick of trying to match up cpu/socket/best mobo/memory/etc
[02:49] <rick_h_> went laptop for my last 4 machines and built a little file server like 3 years ago
[02:49] <rick_h_> now I just want a tank dropped off I can run 20 lxcs for juju'd services on it
[02:49] <hatch> actually yeah building is a pita
[02:49] <hatch> haha
[02:49] <hatch> well that can surely do that
[02:49] <rick_h_> and this is liquid cooled and supports a company doing ubuntu machines so I feel warm/fuzzy as well
[02:50] <rick_h_> so maybe order it right before oakland and get it right after I get back. install raring on it and such
[02:50] <rick_h_> yea, 6core 32GB of ram beastly. make me put down the laptop because it'll be too slow :P
[02:51] <hatch> haha - I'd really like to find a mac-mini like machine to install raring on
[02:51] <hatch> I'm no longer a fan of the big towers
[02:52] <rick_h_> It'll be nice to get two machines again. I always fear upgrade time for fear I'll not get work done with a bug or two
[02:52] <hatch> maybe that will change if I have to run 20 lxcs
[02:52] <hatch> hehe
[02:52] <rick_h_> yea, I've done a mac mini back in the day, and laptops after that. but man, I want to be able to test this stuff we're doing better and use it more.
[02:53] <rick_h_> and if you're going to get a second machine, might as well be faster than the one you've got now right?
[02:53] <rick_h_> I was thinking of just a small 1U arm type thing
[02:53] <rick_h_> but it'd be slower than my laptop so meh
[02:54] <hatch> ahh yeah I hear ya - I've been wanting to do some gaming but no luck with the stuff I have
[02:55] <rick_h_> haven't done gaming for a long time. ALmost crazy to think of the house I spent on BF related games.
[02:59] <hatch> bf?
[03:00] <rick_h_> battlefield 1942, vietnam, etc
[03:00] <hatch> ahh
[03:01] <hatch> I actually want to play eve online
[03:01] <hatch> but I hate monthly payments
[03:01] <rick_h_> yea, gaming these days irritates me with online only, monthly payemnts, in app purchases, etc
[03:02] <rick_h_> was bad enough I had to upgrade my video card, spend $60 on a game with so many bugs
[03:02] <rick_h_> by the time they got it close to stable they'd start cutting back servers for it as it was getting aged/replaced
[03:02] <rick_h_> rinse/repeat
[03:05] <hatch> yep
[03:05] <hatch> lboxing right now...
[03:06] <hatch> figures the tests break
[03:06] <hatch> lol
[03:10] <hatch> oh poo
[03:10] <hatch> I knew my fix was too simple
[03:10] <hatch> missing edge cases
[03:10] <hatch> edge case*
[03:10] <rick_h_> doh!
[03:11] <rick_h_> well I'm off to bed. past my bed time. have a good night/weekend
[03:11] <hatch> you too! I'll see how far I get fixing this :)
[03:13] <hatch> I think I fixed it!
[03:13] <hatch> you left too soon!
[03:13] <hatch> lol