[00:00] <casey> I'm logged in as 'casey'
[00:00] <arrrghhh> you have to be su'd as some user...
[00:00] <casey> hence why ls ~ resolves to /home/casey
[00:00] <arrrghhh> regardless, i am not an expert here.
[00:00] <arrrghhh> i would suggest you either remove it
[00:00] <arrrghhh> or blow it all away and start over.
[00:00] <arrrghhh> good luck.
[00:00] <casey> no, you don't have to be su'd to any user - su == Switch User.
[00:00] <casey> I'm just /logged in/ as casey, not su'd to anything else.
[00:00] <arrrghhh> my point is you have to be running the commands as SOME user.
[00:00] <arrrghhh> yeesh.
[00:00] <casey> yes.
[00:01] <arrrghhh> so i'd say those are your options
[00:01] <arrrghhh> remove the encryption
[00:01] <arrrghhh> start over, don't encrypt.
[00:01] <arrrghhh> good luck
[00:01] <casey> lol, ok.
[00:01] <casey> wonder what other features are going to bite me like this.
[00:02] <arrrghhh> i wonder what else you glazed over during the install?
[00:04] <casey> don't blame me because something deemed stable enough to be an installer choice is unstable.
[00:04] <arrrghhh> casey, you seem to be blaming everyone but yourself.
[00:04] <arrrghhh> the truth is, the installer gave you the choice
[00:04] <arrrghhh> you made the choice to encrypt your /home.
[00:04] <arrrghhh> nothing is broken with it, encryption works great.
[00:05] <casey> clearly it is broken.
[00:05] <casey> I can't rm anything nor copy anything new in.
[00:05] <arrrghhh> i don't know, i've never encrypted my /home.
[00:05] <arrrghhh> all i know is a LOT of other people use it, without issue
[00:05] <arrrghhh> you seem to be using it without your own knowledge of using it, which is odd.
[00:05] <casey> and I'm not the one claiming it to be worthy of an installer choice in a distribution deemed suitable for server deployment.
[00:05] <casey> yep, I'm pretty sure it was the default.
[00:06] <arrrghhh> and i'm pretty sure you didn't read any of the questions it asked
[00:06] <arrrghhh> surprised you got it partitioned correctly.
[00:06] <casey> in any case it doesn't matter, if it's a selectable option, it should WORK.
[00:06] <arrrghhh> it does work, for a lot of people as i stated.  not sure what your issue is, sorry.
[00:06] <arrrghhh> i'm out.
[00:06] <casey> you're making a lot of fucking negative assumptions and accusations about me
[00:06] <casey> grow the fuck up
[00:07] <casey> perhaps the encrypted idea seemed good at the time, and it worked up until now, I really don't remember.  That's not the point.
[00:08] <casey> the point is the server is broken now, for no apparent reason.
[00:08] <casey> do you remember every detail without question about how you set up some random server in the past?
[00:08] <casey> if not, is it fair for me to blame the distributions problems on you?
[00:19] <three18ti> casey, I totally had a smartass comment for you, but you quit. :(
[03:04] <ubuntu_> does anybody know or have worked with the dns software ldapdns is that equivalent to dns with dnssec or was there some other objective to uses ldap with dns ?
[03:16] <CanAnon__> hey guyss...... Anyone have a sec to help me out
[03:17] <CanAnon__> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyone at all?
[03:29] <CanAnon__> herrowww?
[03:38] <phillw> hi, any admins about for the mailing list?
[03:38] <CanAnon__> i donno
[03:39] <CanAnon__> i need samba help :\ no one answered :\
[03:40] <phillw> CanAnon__: i'm not the best on samba, but I do know where to find the pages on it; if that would help?
[03:40] <CanAnon__> well basically I cannot figure out why my samba share only works when an SSH connection is open
[03:40] <CanAnon__> I just want it to work without that :\
[03:41] <CanAnon__> if that makes any sense
[03:41] <phillw> CanAnon__: have you had a good read of https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html ?
[03:42] <CanAnon__> yessir
[03:43] <phillw> samba is not my favourite subject, sadly I do not have my notes with me (I'm on holiday).
[03:43] <CanAnon__> ah thanks anyways
[03:43] <CanAnon__> i appreciate the effort
[03:44] <phillw> CanAnon__: then go raise a question at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=339
[03:44] <phillw> I'd have helped if I had my books with me, the people there do not bite.
[03:44] <CanAnon__> haha thanks
[03:46] <phillw> they're real nice people, you are in safe hands.
[03:50] <r0llz>  When I connect via wireless and use dhcp automatic I cannot connect to my smb network shares, if I choose dhcp address only I can connect to the shares, but no longer have internet access
[03:50] <r0llz> When I connect via wireless and use dhcp automatic I cannot connect to my smb network shares, if I choose dhcp address only I can connect to the shares, but no longer have internet access
[03:51] <r0llz> oops
[03:52] <r0llz> im totally stumped
[03:53] <CanAnon__> hmm
[03:56] <r0llz> what other information other than IP comes from dhcp?
[03:56] <CanAnon__> DNS
[03:56] <CanAnon__> what is your resolv.conf look like?
[03:56] <CanAnon__> does*
[03:58] <r0llz> any help with the dir structure for that file?
[03:59] <CanAnon__> well is the resolv.conf blank?
[04:00] <r0llz> you are dealing with a linux noob and I apoligize in advance, what directory would I find that file in
[04:01] <r0llz> I have a search going now
[04:13] <r0llz> the contents of my resolv.conf are
[04:13] <r0llz> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[04:13] <r0llz> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[04:13] <r0llz> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:16] <SpamapS> ugh
[04:16] <SpamapS> I hate that new scheme
[04:17] <SpamapS> r0llz: it gets put into /var/run/nm-dnsmasq.conf
[04:18] <SpamapS> r0llz: also why are you using network manager on a "server" ?
[04:19] <r0llz> I was directed here when I brought up smb from #ubuntu, this is a laptop and I am trying to get stronger with my linux skills.  However connecting to my windows network shares is important
[04:21] <r0llz> the contents of that file are
[04:21] <r0llz> server=<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:21] <r0llz> that is the address of my router
[04:25] <r0llz> i would be happy to raise my query in a diff chan if it's more appropriate
[04:29] <SpamapS> r0llz: no this makes sense
[04:29] <r0llz> SpamapS, cool
[04:30] <SpamapS> r0llz: have you tried connecting to your windows shares with the .LOCAL domain?
[04:31] <SpamapS> r0llz: as in,  //servername.local/sharename ?
[04:33] <r0llz> so for me //solfs.local/e: would be the syntax, where would I use that, from a term
[04:34] <SpamapS> hrm n/m actually
[04:34] <SpamapS> if you can't browse to those in your file manager then .local isn't going to make a difference
[04:35] <SpamapS> r0llz: I"m not sure why people referred you here.. we're server wonks.. we don't use these "GUI" things ;)
[04:36] <r0llz> SpamapS, ok...back to google?
[04:37] <SpamapS> r0llz: well I'm not saying that. Its just that this is really a problem with NetworkManager
[04:37] <SpamapS> r0llz: if you type 'ping servername' does it return an IP and ping it?
[04:39] <three18ti> where do I find that groovy login screen that ubuntu installs when you install it by cd?
[04:40] <r0llz> aosmooth@ubuntu:~$ ping solfs
[04:40] <r0llz> PING solfs (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[04:40] <r0llz> ^C
[04:40] <r0llz> --- solfs ping statistics ---
[04:40] <r0llz> 23 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 22176ms
[04:40] <r0llz> aosmooth@ubuntu:~$ ping //solfs
[04:40] <r0llz> ping: unknown host //solfs
[04:40] <r0llz> the ip it returns doesn't make sense to me
[04:41] <three18ti> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/206135
[04:41] <three18ti> like ^ that
[04:53] <r0llz> when I tried the connection with addresses only again the ping command doesn't resolve an ip address
[04:55] <r0llz> but the browser works to connect to the shares
[06:11] <BuenGenio> please HELP!
[06:11] <BuenGenio> our Dovecot randomly, about once a week, stops being able to authenticate
[06:11] <BuenGenio> I've tracked the problems down to saslauthd
[06:11] <BuenGenio> but I can't figure out why it's doing it
[06:12] <BuenGenio> auth.log is full of PAM auth error
[06:43] <maxagaz> hi
[06:44] <maxagaz> I would like to encrypt a text file and be able to decrypt it on another OS, only with a passphrase
[06:44] <maxagaz> what would you suggest me to use ?
[07:19] <mafiya> hey, i just started setting up MAAS, i have 7 VirtualBox VMs provisioned (6 clients, 1 server) The server seems to be setup I added all of them to MAAS via the web console, they state "Commissioning" but are still unable to connect properly, and VBOX states fatal: no bootable media found. Does anyone know a fix for this?
[07:20] <bigjools> can the VMs see the DHCP server?
[07:21] <mafiya> yes they were able to see the DHCP server during setup of MAAS (when i added them to the controller)
[07:21] <bigjools> so they auto-enlisted ok?
[07:21] <mafiya> yes
[07:22] <bigjools> cool -ok  so you rebooted them to commission and now they can't get a boot image
[07:22] <bigjools> sounds like they are not pxe booting now
[07:23] <bigjools> I am not familiar with virtualbox unfortunately
[07:26] <m4fiya> well it doesn't seem like there should be a problem, i have them setup to boot from network as default
[07:28] <m4fiya> does anyone know if this is a current problem, or one that can be fixed easily?
[07:31] <SpamapS> mafiya: I believe there is an ephemeral image that has to finish downloading before anything works..
[07:31] <SpamapS> mafiya: note that there is a #maas channel as well :)
[07:32] <m4fiya> I have one client that isn't saying FATAL: No bootable media found, but its been like that for the past 10-15min
[07:34] <m4fiya> SpamapS, there doesn't seem to be anyone there to help at the moment
[07:35] <bigjools> I am there
[08:05] <soren> Daviey: Where is the infamous cloud archive located? The CloudArchive wiki page doesn't say, and all I can find is a staging PPA under ~ubuntu-cloud-archive.
[08:13] <soren> Daviey: iz sekret?
[08:19] <Daviey> soren: no, not secret.. I'm publishing a blog post today.. there was an enforced hiccup due to a datacentre relocation
[08:20] <soren> Daviey: Any chance you could reveal the not secret URL now? :)
[08:21] <Daviey> soren: you are an eager beaver :)
[08:21] <Daviey> one moment
[08:22] <soren> ta very much
[08:59] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:04] <jstephan> hey, i have a little problem and maybe someone can help solving it... i use multiple loadbalanced apache servers, now i would like to store the logs on an central statistic host, my idea was to use logrotate to copy the current file to the nfs share adding some tags like the host, any idea on how to do that?
[11:35] <mld> jstephan: read man logrotate? the postrotate directive might just be what you are looking for.
[11:37] <RoyK> Hi. A week or so back, someone here - _ruben? xnox? - posted a link to a new, fixed mdadm package for bug 942106 - anyone here that has the link to that package?
[11:38] <xnox> RoyK: it's been promoted to precise-updates
[11:39] <xnox> RoyK: it's also in quantal.
[11:39] <xnox> RoyK: simply update. The top most changelog entry will stay as 'precise-proposed' since we copy from proposed to updates without rebuilding.
[11:40] <RoyK> xnox: thanks
[11:41] <jstephan> mld, okay, thx, i will have a look
[12:01] <zul> good morning
[12:30] <zul> jdstrand: hey can you check cinder please?
[12:31] <zul> Daviey: can you do me a favor can you seed openvswitch please/
[12:32] <jdstrand> zul: yes, it is at the top of my list for this morning
[12:33] <Daviey> zul: ok
[12:34] <Daviey> zul: which package?
[12:35] <zul> Daviey: openvswitch
[12:38] <alex88> hi guys, adding an init script to /etc/init/ and setting start on startup is enough?
[14:21] <zul> Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1160879/
[14:27] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, looks like lxc-start-ephemeral regressed recently... I used to be able to run it fine as non-root, now it's printing a lot of error messages...
[14:34] <jdstrand> hallyn: hi! would you mind taking a look at bug #1040033?
[14:36] <jdstrand> hallyn: the title is somewhat misleading. it seems there are problems when using qcow2s on quantal. it is readily seen when installing oneiric VMs.
[14:36] <jdstrand> (for me)
[15:23] <otkrick> Hello, world !!!
[15:52] <stgraber> hallyn: pushed the lxc-start-ephemeral fixes to the packaging branch
[15:52] <BlackPanx> is debian's squeeze kernel compatible with ubuntu lucid ?
[15:53] <BlackPanx> i'm trying to update my ubuntu's repository with debian's squeeze
[15:53] <BlackPanx> that has latest kernels for vserver
[15:53] <BlackPanx> ubuntu lucid has squeeze/sid in cat /etc/*version
[16:11] <xnox> BlackPanx: no, it isn't.
[16:12] <xnox> BlackPanx: you are better off using one of the kernel-ppa's or backporting a kernel yourself the one you need/want from a next ubuntu release.
[16:12] <xnox> BlackPanx: join #ubuntu-kernel, there were some plans to make newer kernels available on LTS/previous releases.
[16:12] <BlackPanx> xnox okay i'll go with compiling latest kernel myself probably
[16:13] <BlackPanx> since we need kernel with vserver patch
[16:13] <xnox> BlackPanx: there is a special package which makes it easier on debian -> as in it generates nice debs compatible with the rest of the stack
[16:13] <BlackPanx> and latest kernel for that is 2.6.38 which is pretty old.
[16:13] <xnox> BlackPanx: then just do that.
[16:14] <BlackPanx> probably best idea from all the information i got on the other channels also.
[16:15] <xnox> BlackPanx: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:15] <xnox> BlackPanx: pick any you like install and off you go =)
[16:16] <BlackPanx> well
[16:16] <BlackPanx> i have lucid
[16:16] <BlackPanx> on all servers mainly
[16:16] <BlackPanx> and there's 2.6 kernel
[16:16] <BlackPanx> only
[16:16] <xnox> BlackPanx: there is 2.6.38 compiled for natty.
[16:16] <xnox> BlackPanx: which should be easy to upgrade to.
[16:16] <BlackPanx> i'll try downloading the oneiric one, copy specs file, apply patch for vserver on that 3.2 one, and compile
[16:17] <xnox> ok.
[16:17] <BlackPanx> 2.6.38 is the kernel i use now and it's totally unstable
[16:17] <BlackPanx> we are getting regular kernel crashes
[16:17] <xnox> oh, ok. I thought you *wanted* 2.6.38 sorry =)
[16:17] <BlackPanx> no no
[16:17] <BlackPanx> i need latest or at least as late as it can be :)
[16:18] <BlackPanx> it shouldn't be a problem if i compile kernel 3.2 and put it on lucid right ? even though it's not rly in repository
[16:18] <BlackPanx> i'd use oneiric's specs since that version has 3.2 kernel
[16:18] <xnox> BlackPanx: don't remove the other kernels, just in case.
[16:18] <xnox> BlackPanx: use precise kernel, it will get 5 years of security updates.
[16:18] <BlackPanx> i compiled 3.0 kernel myself before and it seems pretty stable...
[16:18] <BlackPanx> Linux vs102 3.0.24-vs<IP_ADDRESS>-black #3 SMP Tue Mar 20 14:39:47 CET 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux vs102 ~ $ uptime  18:18:49 up 153 days,  3:42,  1 user,  load average: 1.33, 1.40, 1.14
[16:19] <xnox> BlackPanx: which you'll need to copy/recompile or even not, if it has the patches you want.
[16:22] <BlackPanx_> sorry webchat crashed
[16:22] <BlackPanx_> you suggest precise's kernel for my lucid ?
[16:22] <BlackPanx_> to compile that one
[16:24] <SJr> Hmmmm opening a file over an sshfs mount seems to cause weird reading issues.
[16:24] <xnox> BlackPanx_: yes, because it will receive security updates for the next 5 years and is newer than oneiric.
[16:24] <SJr> It's a CSV file and in hex I expect to see 31, 65, 2b, 31. But what I get in Java and seemingly open office is 31 65 3f
[16:25] <SJr> I don't know what the next character is in java
[16:25] <SJr> Java also for some reason thinks it's some weird unicode character
[16:25] <SJr> I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts. IF I open the file on another machine it reads correctly.
[17:50] <adam_g> jamespage: ping?
[17:52] <Daviey> adam_g: hey's on hols
[17:52] <Daviey> he's*
[17:52] <Daviey> adam_g: If i wanted to do some changes to deployer.py, how do you do it without running it against bare metal?
[17:59] <nome> hi... how can i turn off computer with ubuntu server like power off by terminal??? I used: halt, poweroff, shutdown -P, shutdown -h ... and os is turn off but fan on cpu is still working... so howto turn off computer by terminal?? in debian halt is working
[18:01] <adam_g> Daviey: bootstrap somewhere
[18:02] <adam_g> Daviey: like ec2
[18:02] <adam_g> Daviey: it only requires a running juju environment
[18:03] <Daviey> adam_g: yeah, thanks
[18:03] <adam_g> Daviey: it could definitely use some fixes to better handle those failures. i added a retry mechanism in there somewhere, i think only to calls to 'juju status', but i think it needs to be applied to all calls to juju
[18:04] <adam_g> (in case thats what you are thinking of fixing:)
[18:15] <nome> ??
[19:05] <nome> no idea on my questions?
[19:20] <TheLordOfTime> nome:  we might not have seen your questions
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> i know i dont see your questions on my scrollbacks...
[19:26] <RoyK> !ask | nome
[19:29] <hallyn_> jdstrand: I'm out today, but will take a look (at bug 1040033) tomorrow.
[19:29]  * hallyn_ out
[19:29] <jdstrand> hallyn_: thanks, have a nice day :)
[19:30] <hallyn_> jdstrand: thanks :)  you too
[19:38] <nome> ok
[19:38] <nome> Royk: hi... how can i turn off computer with ubuntu server like power off by terminal??? I used: halt, poweroff, shutdown -P, shutdown -h ... and os is turn off but fan on cpu is still working... so howto turn off computer by terminal?? in debian halt is working
[19:38] <nome> Royk: it was my question
[19:40] <RoyK> poweroff should work
[19:40] <RoyK> if it doesn't, probably some ACPI things are broken
[19:41] <nome> RoyK: maybe ... so how can repair it?
[19:41] <RoyK> file a bug
[20:10] <metap0d> Hi everyone, I just setup an Ubuntu Server 12.04.1 (64bit) and set a static IP on my network of <IP_ADDRESS>, when I try to ping the server by the IP address I always get a reply, however when I try to ping it by its hostname there is like a 10% chance I get a reply.
[20:10] <arrrghhh> metap0d, what are you using for DNS?
[20:16] <metap0d> arrrghhh: I have two entires in my /etc/networking/interfaces for nameservers, they are both virtualised DNS servers on this subnet
[20:16] <arrrghhh> metap0d, and all your clients use the same DNS servers?
[20:17] <arrrghhh> and the <IP_ADDRESS> server is in that DNS?
[20:41] <jdstrand> zul: commented in 1031359
[20:41] <zul> jdstrand: k thanks
[20:50] <arrrghhh> i guess nickserv is back
[21:47] <Daviey> roaksoax: hey, can i have a merge proposal against lp:~ubuntu-archive/+junk/sync-blacklist for bug 1033660 please?
[21:48] <roaksoax> Daviey: sure, hold on
[21:49] <Daviey> roaksoax: i don't think i need to remove the package, doing a straight sync should be fine.
[21:49] <roaksoax> Daviey: i think we do, i tried to sync it unsuccessfully
[21:51] <Daviey> roaksoax: redhat-cluster-suite should be removed?
[21:51] <roaksoax> Daviey: it is just a meta-package
[21:52] <Daviey> roaksoax: what issue did you get syncing?
[21:53] <roaksoax> let me try again
[21:54] <roaksoax> Daviey: syncpackage: Error: Source package redhat-cluster is blacklisted.
[21:56] <roaksoax> Daviey: i cannot propose it for merging given that it is in +junk
[21:56] <roaksoax> Daviey: but i have linked it to the bug report
[21:56] <Daviey> ah, ffs.  damn +junk... ok, i'll sort it, thanks
[21:57] <roaksoax> Daviey: thank you
[22:00] <Daviey> roaksoax: merged
[22:00] <roaksoax> Daviey: thanks
[22:10] <Daviey> roaksoax: I just did a sync, now the blacklist is cleared
[22:10] <roaksoax> Daviey: cool thanks
[22:11] <roaksoax> i also did syuncpackage :)
[22:12] <Daviey> roaksoax: damn it, you beat me... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-August/007512.html
[22:12] <Daviey> :)
[22:12] <roaksoax> hehe :)


[10:50] <kklimonda> ugh, whose idea was that to move screen locking to the "Brightness and Lock"? They are so not connected ;)


[01:45] <ScottL> ailo, it is exciting...although "exiting" was pretty LOL
[01:45] <ScottL> ailo, "natty+1"...yeah, i don't like oneriec (sp?) ocelot...it's too damn hard to spell and type
[01:47] <ailo> ScottL, Haven't yet learned to remember oneriec. Trying to install Gnome3 now, but wasn't as easy as I thought on Natty
[01:47] <ScottL> i'm also thinking through a plan to test gnome3 on ubuntu...i think ailo's suggestion of command line install, add ppa, then add gnome3
[01:48] <ailo> ScottL, That didn't work for me
[01:48] <holstein> gnome 3 is buggy
[01:48] <ScottL> i'm doing a google search to see what else is there
[01:48] <holstein> and so much like unity really
[01:48] <ScottL> holstein, i downloaded the fedore gnome3 and it seemed pretty stable for the brief time i used it
[01:48] <holstein> ScottL: i used it a little longer ;)
[01:49] <holstein> maybe buggy isnt the right word
[01:49] <holstein> just kinda flat
[01:49] <holstein> but, it is new
[01:49] <ScottL> holstein, LMAO
[01:56] <ailo> I'm going to try installing from a regular Ubuntu this time.
[01:57] <ScottL> ailo, i'm really wondering if xubuntu won't be a better base since it shouldn't include any unity packages
[01:58] <ScottL> and i wish someone else would do a full install from dvd and see if the plymouth theme works or just shows a baby blue screen :/
[01:58] <ailo> ScottL, The plymouth doesn't seem to work, the last I checked
[01:59] <ScottL> i was afraid of that
[01:59] <ScottL> it worked at one time but then stopped and i've done google searches to try to find if this was experienced (and fixed) by others, but no luck
[01:59] <ailo> ScottL, I'm sure xubuntu is the better choice, but there's no harm in checking out Gnome3 and see what you can do with it. If Gnome3 is to be used, someone would need to make sure it can be used. So, if no one does that, Gnome3 wouldn't be an option anyway
[02:00] <ailo> ScottL, It worked for me a long time ago, but I haven't done that many fresh installs since then
[02:00] <ailo> ScottL, The latest install didn't seem to work.
[02:01] <ScottL> ailo, lol, i meant xubuntu would be a better base from which to install gnome 3 for testing :P
[02:02] <ailo> ScottL, Ah, that's a good idea :)
[02:03] <ailo> ScottL, I think I will try Xubuntu, then
[02:03] <ailo> Fun to see what that looks like as well
[02:22] <ailo> ScottL, I must have not got the right picture about these derivatives before. I suppose not anyone can just start one and have it hosted at Canonical, since why would they need multiple versions with Gnome and so on, but still, I suppose anyone can propose to start one?
[02:22] <ailo> I also realized now, that xubuntu has both alternative and desktop installs
[03:03] <ScottL> ailo, xubuntu has an alternate install?  i didn't know that, i thought they were all desktop
[03:04] <ScottL> but yes, derivatives (or flavours, don't know the "official"ly correct term) have to be approved to be built and hosted
[03:04] <ScottL> i believe ubuntu studio went through a bit of a vetting process, perhaps a little more than xubuntu and kubuntu, but i could be wrong
[03:06] <ailo> ScottL, Just looking at the pictures while installing Xubuntu gives me some nice vibes. It feels a lot better than what I am used to with FXCE.
[03:08] <ScottL> yeah, xubuntu is really not bad, it truly believe it will provide practically all the functionality of gnome as expected with a few notable differences
[03:09] <holstein> *lower overhead
[03:09] <holstein> *more customization options
[03:09] <ScottL> ailo, i'm really hoping that cory can come through with a fresh, rad UI that gives it some "WOW" factor and makes people appreciate it
[03:10] <ScottL> i have an idea on fixing the plymouth theme...at least i think it's broken (which is part of the problem i suppose)
[03:28] <ailo> Should have gone with the alternate installer. This one messed up my grub
[03:32] <holstein> ailo: i dont like the new trend with buntus
[03:32] <holstein> to not ask about grub
[03:36] <ScottL> holstein, i'm not sure i understand what you are saying
[03:37] <ailo> holstein, ScottL, It didn't ask, and it didn't make a good job installing it either. I ended up with grub rescue
[03:40] <holstein> yeah, used to be there was a little button
[03:40] <holstein> 'advanced'
[03:40] <holstein> and you could specify grub
[03:40] <holstein> or not
[03:40] <holstein> now, you gotta get an alt disc to even see the term grub
[03:49] <ailo> Tried rescuing, but no luck. Better use the alternate this time :(
[04:29] <ailo> hmm, the alternate installer is not detecting my harddrive, probably because a kernel module was unable to load. This was not my day. I'll leave Xubuntu for another day
[10:56] <abogani> The 39-lowlatency ~ppa4 should be compatible with nvidia.
[16:07] <ailo> abogani, I was testing the 39 on another machine yesterday. AMD 64 bits this time. I've been mostly testing on 32 bits. The 39 is not good at all on the 64 bit machine, while 38 is pretty much the same on both.
[16:09] <abogani> ailo: Do you have any USB sound cards?
[16:10] <ailo> abogani, I used onboard and pci cards to test on the 64 bit machine. On the 32 bit I use mainly onboard, since the pci card on that does not work well in low latencies.
[16:10] <ailo> Sadly, no usb or firewire devices
[16:12] <abogani> Arrggghhhhhhhh
[16:13] <abogani> Launchpad have f***ed me!
[16:13] <abogani> ailo: I really apologize 39-lowlatency seems misconfigured!
[16:14] <abogani> I havne't noticed it yet!
[16:14] <ailo> abogani, Really? So, both 32 bits and 64 bits are -generic? I was looking through the config, but didn't compare the two.
[16:14] <abogani> ailo: Could you pastebin output of "grep PREEMPT /boot/config-2.6.39-0-lowlatency", please?
[16:15] <ailo> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is not set
[16:15] <ailo> CONFIG_PREEMPT_NOTIFIERS=y
[16:15] <ailo> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set
[16:15] <ailo> CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y
[16:15] <ailo> # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
[16:16] <abogani> ailo: Sorry sorry sorry
[16:16] <abogani> I have made a big mistake!
[16:17] <abogani> ailo: Sorry to have waste your time. :-(
[16:17] <abogani> ailo: I pray you to excuse me.
[16:17] <ailo> abogani, No, not at all. I am expecting that there will be problems on the way.
[16:17] <abogani> In fact this is -generic + threadirqs
[16:18] <ailo> abogani, I am happy to test -generic as well. So, that is good too.
[16:20] <abogani> ailo: I'll fix this tonight.
[16:21]  * abogani is very displeased
[16:22] <ailo> abogani, No hurry. At this moment I am trying to figure out how to install gnome3 on Ubuntu. I will probably be occupied with that for a while anyway. Still haven't found someone who would be a good candidate to test the kernels. holstein might be.
[16:22] <abogani> ailo: Ok
[17:03] <ailo> holstein, Have you been thinking about learning how to package?
[17:03] <ailo> Or, do you do some of that already?
[17:03] <holstein> ailo: im always thinking about learning stuff
[17:04] <holstein> i dont do that at all yet
[17:05] <ailo> holstein, I'm learning about it now. Trying to get a package uploaded to launchpad later. Is there something you would have liked to package at any point?
[17:05] <ailo> holstein, lf so, I was thinking, we could share some knowledge and hints
[17:06] <holstein> ailo: i was going to try for butt
[17:06] <holstein> *broadcast using this tool
[17:06] <holstein> i thought it would be easy
[17:07] <ailo> holstein, Not in the repo?
[17:07] <holstein> ailo: wasnt
[17:07] <holstein> its really click and run though
[17:07] <holstein> from the DL
[17:08] <ailo> holstein, Where can I find the source?
[17:08] <ailo> holstein, Must be this http://code.google.com/p/butt/
[17:10] <ailo> holstein, butt looks like nice way to start. I'm doing something similar now, from scratch, so I can assist you later. I could write a step by step thing, which I will have use for myself as well.
[17:15] <holstein> phone...
[17:15] <holstein> sorry
[17:15] <holstein> ailo: i dont see a better place for the source
[17:15] <holstein> i emailed the guy
[17:15] <holstein> about taking the project on
[17:15] <holstein> i didnt really want to traditionally fork it
[17:15] <holstein> but, that what he said i could do
[17:16] <holstein> not really continue it as is
[17:16] <ailo> holstein, Seems like he hasn't been busy with it for a few years
[17:16] <holstein> its dead
[17:16] <holstein> he announced it
[17:16] <holstein> he's not working on it anymore
[17:17] <ailo> holstein, So, you would like to work on the code too?
[17:17] <ailo> holstein, Is there anything you would like to add, or are there some bugs?
[17:17] <holstein> i would like to do all kinds of things
[17:17] <holstein> not sure what i can handle though
[17:18] <holstein> ailo: its nice the way it is
[17:18] <holstein> maybe just updated the UI a bit
[17:18] <holstein> come up with a better name
[17:18] <holstein> no bugs that i found
[17:19] <ailo> c++ and QT. C++ might be a little challenging, mainly because there may be so many aspects of it, not just learning where to add functions and what type of functions
[17:19] <holstein> yup
[17:19] <holstein> it seemed easy
[17:19] <holstein> but, when i looked at it
[17:19] <holstein> it was still pretty far over my head
[17:20] <ailo> holstein, It does look easy. I have wanted to learn C and C++, but haven't found a project yet. -controls was perfect for me learning about Python, which is a help when learning C later, I think.
[17:20] <holstein> ailo: well, thats an option then
[17:21] <holstein> and maybe i could just look over your shoulder
[17:21] <ailo> I was going to make libraries to puredata, which are done in C. That's pretty much the only thing I could think of coding in C.
[17:23] <ailo> holstein, I might be able to help with Python at least. I'll have a look at BUTT later. If it looks readable, I could help out with that too. I'm interested in learning, anyway.
[17:24] <ailo> Packaging it should be no problem, at least
[17:24] <holstein> even the backporting was a bit over my head really
[17:25] <holstein> i just have *no* background in coding at all
[17:25] <holstein> i know minimal html
[17:26] <ailo> holstein, I found it was like getting over a threshold. Once you get over, things start rolling by itself. The biggest problem is when doing it all yourself, even a minor misunderstanding can cause the whole thing to halt, and when things take too much time, you loose motivation.
[17:27] <holstein> yeah
[17:27] <holstein> and i'll make a little progress
[17:27] <holstein> and then i'll be working for 2 weeks straight or so
[17:27] <holstein> and forget what i learned ;)
[17:29] <ailo> I can't remember details and always need to look at some reference, but once you get a picture of the whole, you don't need to remember the details anyway.
[17:29] <holstein> like i was saying the other day in the OSMP channel
[17:29] <holstein> you guys just 'know' it
[17:29] <holstein> because you do it all the time
[17:29] <holstein> its not even so much memorizing
[17:30] <holstein> its just living it
[17:30] <holstein> like with songs/tunes for me
[17:30] <holstein> its not like i have a ton of tunes memorized
[17:30] <holstein> i just play them all the time
[17:30] <holstein> and i know them
[17:30] <ailo> When I was setting up my server, I'm so glad I wrote everything up and made some scripts.  No way I could remember everything.
[17:31] <holstein> yeah, i did a couple test server installs like that
[17:31] <holstein> dont remember jack about it
[17:31] <holstein> now i just get those turnkey linux images :)
[17:32] <ailo> It's when you have to go through such a huge amount of information, and you only need to do it once, there's no way you will remember.
[17:32] <ailo> With programming, it can be like that, in the beginning, because you need to learn too much at once.
[17:32] <ailo> Hard to get the big picture, because of all the details
[17:33] <ailo> But, give it a little time, and suddenly it isn't as complicated as it first seems
[21:32] <ScottL> ailo, i installed maverick and then installed gnome3 and now i'm updating
[21:32] <ScottL> i added tried following a tutorial and installed a ppa but the package they said to install wasn't there
[21:33] <ailo> ScottL, Normal Ubuntu Maverick?
[21:33] <ScottL> so on a whim i just opene synatpc and looked for gnome3
[21:33] <ailo> ScottL, I had some dependency problem.
[21:33] <ScottL> ailo, aya, regular maverick
[21:33] <ailo> ScottL, I was told to install gnome-shell in one tutorial. Don't know how the packages are set up.
[21:34] <ScottL> shrug, i just looked for gnome3 in synaptic, found a package and installed it
[21:34] <ScottL> i didn't care if i borked it, it's a test machine and i had just completely wiped everything when installing it
[21:37] <ailo> ScottL, I think I will take that approach too now. I have a nice system where my computers are synced with my servers. So, I don't need to manually back anything up. Just run a script after a new install, and I get most of my system up and running.
[21:37] <ailo> server*
[21:38] <falktx> hey there
[21:38] <ailo> Without that, I can't keep track of my files. I just end up deleting everything,
[21:38] <ailo> hey falktx
[21:38] <falktx> i have bad news
[21:39] <falktx> my laptop broke again... :(
[21:39] <ScottL> aww, that's shitty falktx :(
[21:39] <falktx> yeah...
[21:39] <falktx> so many things left undone
[21:40] <falktx> now 1 more week (at least) computer free
[21:40] <ailo> Is it the same one? How old is it? What breaks?
[21:42] <falktx> ailo: internal disk is giving issues
[21:43] <falktx> apt-get fails with I/O error
[21:43] <falktx> lots of apps don't start, and other errors
[21:43] <ailo> falktx, How about running from usb stick? What is it called, when you can save settings and so on?
[21:44] <ailo> Good backup, if nothing else
[21:44] <falktx> ailo: I'll still need my laptop
[21:44] <falktx> ailo: not sure If I can send just the HD for repair...
[21:44] <falktx> (still under warranty, I think)
[21:44] <holstein> persistent USB install
[21:44] <ailo> falktx, Ah, ok
[21:44] <holstein> falktx: hey, thats good news :)
[21:45] <falktx> holstein: ailo: i know about the USB rw live-cd, i used it before
[21:45] <falktx> holstein: lol...
[22:01] <ailo> ScottL, So, you got Gnome3 up and running, then?
[22:02] <ScottL> ailo, i updated, then rebooted, then had to answer a phone call from work  (it's that big project still :(  )
[22:03] <ailo> ScottL, Lemme know if it works. I'm getting tired of failed installs :P
[22:03] <ScottL> ailo, lol
[22:04]  * ScottL is own a conference call right and i'm probably going to have to go into the office tomorrow :(
[22:04] <ScottL> today was suppossed to be my day off and i spent 5.5 hours at work
[22:04] <ailo> ScottL, It's always good to be busy.
[22:06] <ScottL> yeah, the alternate sucks pretty heavily :P
[22:06] <ScottL> i'm wondering how i'm going to play minecraft on the gnome3 machine :?
[22:15] <ScottL> ailo, it seems to be working, not as smooth or suave as the (current) fedora spin
[22:16] <ailo> I will probably have no luch on the machine I will try on anyway, since I had problems with the Fedora live image. Broken graphics
[22:16] <ScottL> maybe i haven't turned something on that fefora has on by default
[22:22]  * falktx found a nice benchmark
[22:22] <falktx> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_natty_pae64&num=1
[22:22] <falktx> ^ ubuntu 11.04 32bit vs 32bit with PAE vs 64bit
[22:22] <falktx> recommended
[22:26] <falktx> really shows off the power of 64bit
[22:31] <holstein> yeah, i checked that out
[22:32] <holstein> and felt good about my 64bit decision on my studio rig
[22:32] <holstein> even though i need to get some ram
[22:42] <ScottL> oho, minecraft runs really slow on gnome3...therefore i don't like gnome3
[22:42] <ScottL> j/k
[22:42] <ailo> ScottL, No good drivers too, right?
[22:43] <ailo> ScottL, Price of freedom. Shitty graphics
[22:43] <ScottL> gnome3 works well, i think everything else would probably work well...minecraft is just really java heavy
[22:45] <ScottL> i'm going to install natty as well on the hard drive and use that for development and for minecraft :P
[22:47] <ailo> ScottL, I have to stay away from games. I get loony.
[22:53]  * falktx believe people should really try kde
[22:54] <ailo> falktx, I will install KXStudio today. That, and Gnome3, if I am able.
[22:54] <ailo> On separate partitions, of course
[22:55] <falktx> ailo: kxstudio still uses lucid...
[23:03] <ScottL>  but kxstudio looks really nice and has mad functionality because falktx put it everything that canonical doesn't want in there :P
[23:03] <falktx> hehe
[23:03] <falktx> the only "issue" will be the *LOT*s of updates you'll have after install
[23:04] <falktx> I really hope to release another kxstudio version soon
[23:04] <ailo> falktx, Natty?
[23:05] <falktx> yes
[23:05] <falktx> but a final version for lucid too, to include the latest updates


[08:31] <jboonmee> Hi all
[08:32] <jboonmee> I am new at this IRC stuff. Just wanted to know if this is even working. Can anyone respond to let me know>
[08:32] <jboonmee> Thanks so much
[08:39] <jboonmee> Ok, Just read the channel terms
[08:40] <jboonmee> I have no idea what's next to get someone to respond


[01:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[04:52] <achiang> any libgtk2.0 packaging experts around?
[04:53]  * achiang is trying to figure out how to backport maverick's libgtk2.0 into lucid without getting caught in a spiraling maze of versioned build-dependencies, and could use some advice
[05:04] <TheMuso> achiang: You will probably have to wait till seb128 is around.
[05:05] <achiang> TheMuso: ah, thanks. i think i'm picking my way through the easier ones, perhaps by the time i get to the hard ones, seb128 will be awake again. :)
[06:25] <kvalo> morning
[06:54] <smspillaz> kvalo: morning :)
[07:41] <didrocks> good morning
[07:44] <kvalo> didrocks: good morning. how's the life in france?
[07:44] <didrocks> kvalo: cold, but I guess not as cold as for you :)
[07:44] <didrocks> kvalo: and you?
[07:45] <kvalo> it's warm here, 0 C :) not much sun though...
[07:49] <didrocks> 0° C <-> warm. SIGSEV :)
[07:49] <\sh> *grmpf* ../NuxGraphics/.libs/libnux-graphics-0.9.so: undefined reference to 'gluErrorString' , building nux from trunk whoosa
[07:50] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:54] <kvalo> didrocks: :)
[07:54] <kvalo> oSoMoN: good morning
[07:57] <oSoMoN> hi kvalo, how is it going?
[07:58] <kvalo> oSoMoN: I'm good, thanks. how are you?
[07:59] <oSoMoN> kvalo: very good, thank you
[08:05] <MacSlow> hey folks
[08:07] <oSoMoN> hey MacSlow
[08:07] <MacSlow> hi oSoMoN
[08:37] <apw> are places menus known to have broken scrollbars?
[08:37] <apw> also are they known to take a very long time to populate
[08:38] <didrocks> apw: there is a bug report about it
[08:38] <didrocks> for both
[08:38] <didrocks> apw: try to look at unity bugs if you can add additional infos:)
[08:39] <apw> didrocks, its hard to add info when you can't interact with any of your windows most of the time
[08:39] <apw> didrocks, its a rather regualar failure mode for me
[08:39] <didrocks> apw: oh you mean, you can't click on your window?
[08:39]  * apw dumps his natty laptop on the useless stack
[08:39] <didrocks> but keyboard stil works?
[08:39] <apw> didrocks, indeed
[08:39] <didrocks> smspillaz: do you need live info ? ^^
[08:39] <didrocks> apw: this is a really annoying info, hard to reproduce though
[08:40] <didrocks> apw: we have a bug about it if we are interested, one second, though
[08:40] <apw> didrocks, i've had it 3-4 logins recently
[08:40] <smspillaz> apw: run xwininfo -all in a terminal and click on the "dead region"
[08:40] <didrocks> apw: I have it sometimes a lot in the morning, and no more for the whole day…
[08:40] <smspillaz> also post your xwininfo -root -tree
[08:40] <apw> smspillaz, the dead region is all of my screen
[08:40] <smspillaz> are you running unity ?
[08:40] <apw> smspillaz, unity yes
[08:40] <smspillaz> apw: the bug is that there is some window that isn't painted that is there
[08:41] <smspillaz> and I'm currently trying to fix it :)
[08:41] <apw> smspillaz, yeah and i think its a modal dialog
[08:41] <smspillaz> what application?
[08:41] <apw> but i can't interact with it either, so i can't get rid of it
[08:41]  * apw can't tell as it is invisible, and uninteractible
[08:42] <didrocks> apw: FYI, it's bug #709461 if you want to follow it
[08:42] <didrocks> smspillaz: some to be $random application in any case, as I had eog, ccsm…
[08:43] <apw> didrocks, what does this window look like in xwininfo
[08:43] <didrocks> apw: if you just run xwininfo (you need to ctrl + alt + t to open a terminal) you should be able to click on it
[08:43] <didrocks> and it dumps the info of where you click
[08:43] <didrocks> which should be the "invisible window" then
[08:44] <smspillaz> yeah
[08:44] <apw> didrocks, oh its xchat apparently
[08:44] <apw> i'll get the info on the bug
[08:46] <didrocks> ok, was disconnected from freenode…
[08:46] <didrocks> 09:44:47  didrocks | oh, it's really $random apps I guess :/
[08:46] <didrocks> 09:45:04  didrocks | thanks
[08:46] <didrocks> 09:45:27  didrocks | apw: btw, restarting unity (running unity) should help
[08:46] <didrocks> 09:45:37  didrocks | apw: if not, you can try metacity --replace and then run unity
[08:48] <apw> didrocks, smspillaz, ok i have added the wininfo for the lost window and the complete stack, to the bug ... anything else you want off the machine?
[08:49] <apw> also anyone got the bug number for the scrollbars not existing
[08:49] <didrocks> apw: not handy, but looking for "scrollbar" in the unity bugs should give it to you pretty straightforward
[08:49] <apw> finally :)  are the windows incredibly slow to fill in for everyone else?  mine take 15-20 before there is anything on them
[08:49] <didrocks> I filed it on Monday
[08:49] <apw> (windows == places windows)
[08:50] <didrocks> apw: and you, same there is one about it, there is no optimization for this release
[08:50] <didrocks> I also filed it on Monday
[08:50] <apw> ok
[08:50] <\sh> didrocks: when you find the time, please review bug #711717 (branch for merging attached)
[08:50] <didrocks> apw: I think there are enough info, thanks!
[08:50]  * apw notes for this stacking bug, that although this is xchat running the launcher does not have the ><'s on it for xchat
[08:50] <didrocks> \sh: excellent, thanks!
[08:51] <didrocks> apw: oh? this is not known
[08:51] <didrocks> apw: please file a bug about it
[08:51]  * apw tries to get a screen shot
[08:51] <didrocks> apw: affecting unity and bamf
[08:51] <apw> ack
[08:53] <apw> ok to do that i am going to have to kill off this xchat to get to the bug dialogs ... so last chance for more info on it
[08:53] <didrocks> apw: oh know, wait
[08:53]  * apw waits
[08:54] <didrocks> apw: the no match on the launcher is because of the window not mapped
[08:54] <didrocks> apw: so, it's no a bug
[08:54] <apw> didrocks, ok i'll mention it in the original bug only
[08:54] <didrocks> it's just a side effect :)
[08:54] <didrocks> yeah, thanks!
[08:55] <apw> didrocks, unity really needs a 'kill -USR1 <pid>' to tell it to dump its stacking order information out or something, or turn on debug in general
[08:56] <didrocks> apw: there is some work on that, we not totally finished
[08:56] <didrocks> but*
[08:57] <smspillaz> apw: ccsm -> debug spewer -> change the keybinding
[08:57] <didrocks> and we already have too much stuff on our plate for just features
[08:57] <didrocks> smspillaz: it's crashing for me, do you remember? :)
[08:57] <smspillaz> right :/
[08:58] <apw> ok if there is nothing else i can add to the bug, i'll try killing off xchat and see if that resolves the issue or if minds are already lost
[09:02] <apw> didrocks, ok i killed xchat and the 'gap' is still there terms of focus tracking
[09:02] <apw> starting a new xchat means that whereever i put that on the screen it still gets focus for the old area, and its new area
[09:02] <didrocks> apw: weird, you should rather rerun unity
[09:03] <kvalo> can I have branches inside one repository, just like git does? I hate it that I need create a new directory for each branch
[09:03] <apw> didrocks, so i assume that the input tracking is done by unity ?
[09:03] <kvalo> and talking about bzr, of course
[09:03] <apw> kvalo, i think there is an extension for that
[09:03] <didrocks> apw: compiz has some
[09:03] <apw> didrocks, so i suspect that that is where the issue is then
[09:03] <kvalo> apw: great. do you happen to remember the name? :)
[09:05] <apw> kvalo, hrm no sorry not a big bzr user
[09:05] <kvalo> apw: thanks. you gave me motivation to find it :)
[09:09] <apw> kvalo, possibly you can do it with bzr switch, "set up a shared repository with the --no-trees option together with lightweight checkout"
[09:10] <apw> if those words mean anything to you
[09:10] <apw> perhaps the 'colo' plugin
[09:10] <kvalo> apw: heh, I wish :)
[09:10] <apw> http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/GitStyleBranches
[09:11] <kvalo> apw: excellent, thanks a lot!
[09:11] <smspillaz> didrocks: ARGH you were right
[09:11] <smspillaz> ls ~/.compiz-1/plugins -> libunityshell.so
[09:11] <smspillaz> *removes*
[09:12]  * didrocks stares at smspillaz :)
[09:12] <smspillaz> yay, now I have a unity back
[09:12] <smspillaz> apw: out of curiousity, which application is the one which had the invisible window which is blocking everything ?
[09:12] <didrocks> smspillaz: I'll do a unity --distro :)
[09:13] <smspillaz> indeed :P
[09:15] <apw> smspillaz, in my case it was xchat
[09:15] <apw> xchats main window
[09:17] <smspillaz> ok
[09:23] <smspillaz> ah ok, reproduced it
[09:27] <smspillaz> ok, looks like the window is tracked initially and then unreparented
[09:28] <\sh> hmm..this is strange
[09:29] <apw> oh is the top left logo window meant to have anything in it?  its empty for me
[09:33] <apw> smspillaz, ^^
[09:36] <didrocks> apw: it is
[09:36] <smspillaz> apw: I only work on compiz :) so I wouldn't know much about the unity panels and launcher
[09:36] <apw> smspillaz, ahh thanks :)
[09:37] <apw> didrocks, whats it meant to have in it, and i assume its known that it does not so contain
[09:37] <didrocks> apw: the same content than in maverick version, prefered apps and such
[09:38] <cando_> guys, building last nux from trunk fails: http://pastebin.com/UH7StuR4
[09:38] <apw> didrocks, ok so thats missing
[09:38] <didrocks> yeah, still an early place draft
[09:39] <\sh> cando_: bug #711717
[09:39] <cando_> ok thanks
[09:39] <\sh> cando_: fix is there
[09:39] <cando_> :)
[09:41] <apw> smspillaz, just for you compiz just core dumped on login for me
[09:46] <apw> are random hangs/compiz dumps as 3/4 logins known ?
[09:49] <smspillaz> apw: got a bug # for that?
[09:49] <smspillaz> apw: ah right, might be the places issue
[09:49] <apw> no i've given filing bugs on it, as mostly the filing bug process dies too
[09:50] <apw> and finally after 4 attempts i have a desktop with some interactible icons ..
[09:51] <apw> smspillaz, if i ever manage to get one i'll let you know
[09:51] <smspillaz> ok
[09:58] <cando_> \sh, ok build flawlessy...thanks
[09:58] <kvalo> kamstrup: does "G_PARAM_READABLE | G_PARAM_CONSTRUCT_ONLY" make sense?
[09:58] <kvalo> kamstrup: for a property which is only set in the constructor and read otherwise
[10:07] <smspillaz> didrocks: I love it when this happens - I try to open geany to edit the source, and the bug happens to it -_-
[10:07] <smspillaz> see the compiz bugs have minds of their own ;-)
[10:07] <didrocks> smspillaz: ahah, like for me with ccsm yesterday to set a debug shortcut? :)
[10:07] <smspillaz> yeah :p
[10:08] <kamstrup> kvalo: it needs to be G_PARAM_READWRITE | G_PARAM_CONSTRUCT_ONLY
[10:08] <kvalo> kamstrup: oh. I'll fix that, thanks
[10:09] <kamstrup> kvalo: otherwise you'll get complaints from glib when you try and set the prop on construction time
[10:09] <ronoc> kamstrup, njpatel anyone know a way to easily deep copy a GArray
[10:09] <ronoc> can't see it in the api
[10:09] <smspillaz> didrocks: btw, do you know if there's any way to make bzr not rebuild the *entire* source package on bzr bd-do?
[10:09] <ronoc> glist has a nice convenience function for  it but not garray
[10:10] <didrocks> smspillaz: unfortunately not and it removes the build-area
[10:10] <kamstrup> ronoc: GArray is a boxed type so you can do:
[10:10] <didrocks> smspillaz: if you just want to test something
[10:10] <didrocks> smspillaz: like, don't use the patch system
[10:11] <kamstrup> ronoc: GArray copy = g_boxed_copy (G_TYPE_ARRAY, my_array);
[10:11] <didrocks> smspillaz: you can bzr bd-do ; quilt push -a ; make your changes ; debuild -nc
[10:11] <didrocks> (and then make your changes ; debuild -nc …)
[10:11] <smspillaz> didrocks: cool
[10:11] <ronoc> kamstrup, oh lovely thx
[10:11] <didrocks> smspillaz: take care to not exit!
[10:11] <smspillaz> lovely
[10:11] <smspillaz> didrocks: yeah
[10:11] <didrocks> smspillaz: as it will destroy the build-area :)
[10:11] <smspillaz> yeah
[10:11] <didrocks> smspillaz: also, your changes will be in no patch, so take care!
[10:12] <kvalo> kamstrup: that's black magic! ;)
[10:13] <kamstrup> kvalo: you need to learn to love the boxed types! ;-)
[10:13] <kvalo> gobject: voodoo for the programmers
[10:13] <kvalo> kamstrup: yeah, sure. after a lobotomy ;)
[10:13] <kamstrup> kvalo: that can be arranged
[10:50] <klattimer> morning johnlea
[10:51] <johnlea> klattimer; morning
[10:51] <klattimer> johnlea: will want to pick your brains probably about timezone matching at some point
[10:52] <johnlea> klattimer; ok, is it really urgent or can we do it towards the end of next week
[10:53] <klattimer> next week will probably be fine
[11:05] <\sh> didrocks: thx :)
[11:05] <didrocks> \sh: thanks to you :)
[11:10] <\sh> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity <- the instruction to build unity on maverick is wrong...first, there is no gsettings-desktop-schemas-dev in maverick, so this doesn't work, I wonder if we just drop this section and tell the people to not try to build it on maverick...
[11:44] <kvalo> kamstrup: g_value_dup_object()? huh, quite a misleading name
[11:59] <kamstrup> kvalo: yeah, but internally consistent with the rest of the gvalue api at least
[11:59] <kvalo> kamstrup: true
[12:17] <ronoc> njpatel, is there a log for the unity-panel-service I can tail ?
[12:34] <cando_> hi guys, i've a small problem: i can't run unity from trunk anymore...i mean: i've build nux and unity, setted up the env , typed compiz --replace, but always starts the "old" unity...what i'm doing wrong?
[12:34] <cando_> last week i was able to run unity from trunk...
[13:02] <cando_> \sh, you there?
[13:43] <kvalo> kamstrup: I have a problem with annotatations, any idea what's wrong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561388/
[13:48] <kamstrup> kvalo: looks odd...
[13:49] <kvalo> kamstrup: g-ir-scanner is giving other warnings as well. I'll fix those first
[13:52] <kvalo> maybe it magically disappers :)
[13:55] <cando_> didrocks, you got a moment?
[13:56] <didrocks> cando_: not really know, fixing some crash for alpha2
[13:56] <cando_> ok no problem..:)
[13:56] <didrocks> cando_: in 3h, I think it should be fine
[13:56] <didrocks> sorry :/
[13:56] <cando_> ok thanks!
[13:57] <rsajdok> I have a problem with the installation of the "guest additions" in today's version of "natty" any suggestions? http://paste.ubuntu.com/561389/
[13:59] <kvalo> kamstrup: argh, a colon was missing after the function name...
[13:59] <spikeb> hmm
[13:59] <spikeb> rsajdok, that doesn't look good
[14:01] <rsajdok> spikeb: :)
[14:02] <spikeb> man, i was going to try running natty (and the new unity) on virtualbox too.
[14:02]  * spikeb sighs
[14:04] <rsajdok> \sh: There are problems in natty also.
[14:06] <didrocks> smspillaz: the fix is working
[14:07] <smspillaz> didrocks: nice
[14:07] <smspillaz> didrocks: so at least we know what is broken
[14:08] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, I'll commit the fix in git if you want as the core components should rather use this as you told
[14:08] <smspillaz> indeed
[14:08] <smspillaz> just replace all of the s->getOptions with that
[14:08] <didrocks> yeah, will do :)
[14:08] <smspillaz> err
[14:08] <smspillaz> s->getOption'
[14:08] <didrocks> got it, no worry :)
[14:08] <smspillaz> :)
[14:09] <smspillaz> there is actually an s->getOptions () which serves a completely different purpose :p
[14:15] <didrocks> argh ;)
[14:15] <didrocks> naming :)
[14:34] <klattimer> gah, trapsing through the evolution source code I discover bugs bugs bugs... URI opening is broken because it wrongly detects "--import" on the command line, and the URI seems to not get passed correctly to running instances...
[14:35] <klattimer> I hate evolution
[14:36]  * smspillaz -> bed
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, there?
[14:36] <jcastro> \sh: oh nice catch, thanks
[14:41] <\sh> jcastro: updated as well the build-deps with some packages which were missing
[14:42] <jcastro> hmm, DBO just updated those the other day
[14:42] <jcastro> but adding more won't hurt I guess
[14:42] <lamalex> njpatel, how do you set your borders to 0 px?
[14:42] <\sh> jcastro: gnome-common and libpcre3-dev were definitly missing ;)
[14:43] <\sh> jcastro: and I wonder if bug #692444 is really a bitesize ;) it needs IMHO a lot of refurbish of the startup code of the trash folder
[14:46] <jcastro> well, cando snagged it so who knows
[14:46] <jcastro> are you looking for one no one is working on?
[14:47] <didrocks> bug #692444 is definitively not a bitesize one
[14:47] <didrocks> but if cando_ can get it :)
[14:47] <jcastro> cando_'s becoming large bug man
[14:48] <didrocks> cando_: btw, I'm more available right now if you stil have your question
[14:48] <njpatel> lamalex, /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity-foo.xml, there are some settings for frame borders, you can set them to 0px. Or use my AmbianceThin theme http://bit.ly/h9XCYe
[14:48] <\sh> didrocks: I was wondering if replacing g_spawn_command_line_async with g_spawn_async_with_pipes, catching the pid, adding a callback for cleaning up when pid is destroyed, and iterating over all gdk toplevel windows and focusing the right one is a good approach
[14:49] <didrocks> \sh: no, that's evil and slow :)
[14:49] <\sh> anyways...hp technician is waiting for me, bbl
[14:50] <lamalex> njpatel, sweet thanks
[14:51] <njpatel> lamalex, actually, grab it again, the latest has the shadow bits too
[14:52] <cando_> didrocks, i'm digging into that bug..and i'm very lucky! everytime i choose a bug it not so "bitesize"..:)
[14:52] <didrocks> cando_: getting it done is just a real pleasure then :)
[14:52] <lamalex> njpatel, I just grabbed it as I said "sweet thanks" so I'm probably ok
[14:52] <lamalex> the shadow looks lighter
[14:52] <cando_> yeah my question is: i've a small problem: i can't run unity from trunk anymore...i mean: i've build nux and unity, setted up the env , typed compiz --replace, but always starts the "old" unity..
[14:52] <njpatel> lamalex, of the main window? yeah it should be lighter and have a bigger radius
[14:53] <cando_> now i'm copying lbunityshell.so from opt/unity/compiz/bin to /usr/lib/compiz and it works..but i guess it's not the right thing to do
[14:53] <lamalex> cando_, where are you installing unity to?
[14:53] <lamalex> cando_, I use this for my cmake generator line
[14:53] <lamalex> cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local
[14:53] <cando_> i'm following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource
[14:54] <cando_> ah ok
[14:54] <lamalex> that installs to .compiz-1/plugins or something
[14:54] <cando_> it's diffent..the page i've linked says to install in opt
[14:54] <lamalex> yeah that's a way
[14:54] <lamalex> Try using my cmake jawn
[14:54] <lamalex> see if it works for you
[14:54] <cando_> ok trying...thanks lamalex
[14:54] <lamalex> the difference is that you have to set up the env for the opt one
[14:55] <lamalex> compiz will always prefer the one in .compiz-1/plugins
[14:55] <njpatel> cando_, make sure -DCOMPIZ_PLUGIN_INSTALL_TYPE=local is on the cmake line for UNity, so it installs into ~/.compiz-1/plugins/
[14:55] <njpatel> cando_, that will ghost the system one and allow you to easily recovered if/when we break trunk :)
[14:56] <cando_> njpatel, building...:) i'll let you know in a second
[14:57] <njpatel> oh, sorry, didn't see eariler comments
[14:58] <cando_> njpatel, lamalex , btw this page should be updated??https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallationGuideFromSource    it doens't work in that way..
[14:58] <lamalex> MacSlow, I'm doing your keynav review now
[14:58] <MacSlow> lamalex, thanks!
[14:59] <MacSlow> lamalex, btw... adding the check for Shift for Shift-F10, which I forgot... so keep that in mind when reviewing/testing
[15:07] <lamalex> MacSlow, where are you adding it?
[15:08] <MacSlow> lamalex, in the same branch... but it turned out that I first need to fix something in nux which is missing in order to allow checking for the key-modifier state
[15:08] <MacSlow> so I'm doing that (fixing nux) right now
[15:08] <lamalex> k
[15:09] <klattimer> *sigh* david barths internet has a shorter continuity period than a sentence
[15:11] <cando_> njpatel, ok works flawlessy..thanks
[15:11] <njpatel> awesome!
[15:12] <lamalex> MacSlow, do I need a different nux branch for this?
[15:15] <MacSlow> lamalex, nux trunk should do
[15:16] <lamalex> MacSlow, ok, maybe im a few revs behind
[15:19] <MacSlow> lamalex, there are some patches that were merged recently to nux regarding keyboard-focus handling... loicm did them... check the bzr log of the nux-branch you have
[15:24] <lamalex> haha MacSlow I get a massive compiler error trying to build your branch
[15:25] <MacSlow> lamalex, just checking the state of nux trunk
[15:28] <lamalex> MacSlow, what nux trunk rev do you have?
[15:29] <MacSlow> lamalex, rev 191 two days old like I said
[15:29] <Amaranth> I didn't think I would care when running classic desktop but wow, that 50 pixels you lose to panels really makes a difference
[15:30] <MacSlow> Amaranth, 50 px ?!
[15:30] <MacSlow> Amaranth, how huge did you set your font?
[15:30] <Amaranth> MacSlow: 25 per panel
[15:30] <Amaranth> Or 24, forget
[15:30] <MacSlow> Amaranth, but we still have the panel at the top
[15:30] <MacSlow> so it would be only 25px gained
[15:30] <Amaranth> MacSlow: Not when the window is maximized :)
[15:31] <MacSlow> Amaranth, ah... that way you're going... ok
[15:38] <MacSlow> lamalex, still compiling the current nux trunk
[15:41] <MacSlow> lamalex, I'm getting similar compile-errors here... now looking at the commit history to figure out which commit is the culprit for htis
[15:43] <MacSlow> lamalex, my guess is nux rev194 messed things up
[15:45] <MacSlow> loicm, did you test-compile unity against nux when you pushed nux r194? Did that work cleanly?
[15:48] <loicm> MacSlow: I had to break the nux API to make that change (r194)
[15:48] <loicm> MacSlow: Unity needs a fix I pushed at r813
[15:49] <MacSlow> loicm, so we need to update unity then to reflect that?!
[15:49] <loicm> MacSlow: yes
[15:49] <MacSlow> ok
[15:49] <MacSlow> lamalex, ^^
[15:49] <MacSlow> lamalex, since my branch isn't based on that it explains the break
[15:50] <MacSlow> lamalex, I'll try to rebase and see how that goes
[15:50] <loicm> MacSlow: If updating is problematic, that's a one line patch
[15:51] <lamalex> ok
[15:52] <lamalex> MacSlow, let me know when your branch is updated
[16:01] <lamalex> cyphermox, what was the status of your multi-monitor branch?
[16:03] <cyphermox> lamalex, still not working
[16:03] <cyphermox> I haven't really had time to get back to it
[16:03] <lamalex> cyphermox, do you have any idea what the problem was?
[16:04] <cyphermox> lamalex, not really. I was told by jaytaoko it might be related to how nux handles monitor size updates, but I couldn't dig into it
[16:04] <lamalex> cyphermox, ok
[16:04] <lamalex> thanks for the headstart, I'm going to take a look at it
[16:04] <lamalex> it's driving me nuts :{
[16:04] <cyphermox> lamalex, right now, it works fine when unity starts, but fails to redraw the regions after a size change
[16:05] <lamalex> hm, well that's at least an improvement.
[16:05] <cyphermox> lamalex, the panel and launcher *do* react to mouse events for example at the right place, though, it's just not drawn correctly
[16:05] <lamalex> oh weird
[16:05] <MacSlow> loicm, lamalex: rebased my branch on current unity trunk... just pushing it now
[16:05] <cyphermox> I think I wasn't far, just no idea what's missing ;)
[16:05] <MacSlow> loicm, lamalex: compiles and runs fine
[16:07] <cyphermox> lamalex, let me put two minutes to update the branch and clean up the unnecessary garbage :)
[16:07] <lamalex> cyphermox, sure
[16:07] <lamalex> cyphermox, if we can just have it working on start, it'd at least be SOMETHING until we figure out what's going on in nux with redraw
[16:07] <lamalex> because for me right now, a good portion of my launcher is obscured
[16:08] <lamalex> and it's almost unusable
[16:08] <lamalex> need to alt tab to get to most things
[16:09] <cyphermox> same for me. it's annoying, but I got used to it  ^.^
[16:09] <MacSlow> lamalex, just cleaning up your stated issues
[16:11] <om26er> @anyone_from_design in gnome session there is a arrow on the ubuntu logo http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=135775 and seems there is a patch rotting in bugzilla, if it works would it be fine to remove it in natty?
[16:15] <didrocks> jcastro: around?
[16:15] <jcastro> on a call, but keep typing. :)
[16:15] <didrocks> jcastro: can you register "glew" as a launchpad project?
[16:15] <jcastro> yep
[16:15] <didrocks> excellent :)
[16:15] <jcastro> belonging to ... ?
[16:16] <didrocks> jcastro: it's an outside launchpad project, I just want to link a bug/patch
[16:16] <didrocks> external*
[16:17] <jcastro> ok I just need the license
[16:17] <didrocks> oh, one sec
[16:17] <didrocks> The original version of GLEW contained files under 4 licenses:
[16:17] <didrocks> BSD, GPLv2+, SGI Free Software License B, GLX Public License
[16:18] <cyphermox> lamalex, it's updated, and still at lp:~mathieu-tl/unity/multimonitor/ (it deleted and recreated it)
[16:19] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/glew/
[16:19] <jcastro> done
[16:21] <didrocks> jcastro: awesome, thanks!
[16:36] <lamalex> MacSlow, updated the review for behavior
[16:37] <MacSlow> lamalex, pushed fixes regarding the initially stated the issues
[16:39] <apw> are "long delays before indicators appear after login" a known issue ?
[16:39] <MacSlow> lamalex, see my reply
[16:40] <MacSlow> lamalex, only the key-nav of the quicklist will come in another branch... I just want to make sure this launcher-key-nav lands first
[16:43] <lamalex> MacSlow, well im not talking about navigating the quicklists
[16:43] <lamalex> when you right arrow to a ql, then hit down, you start back at the top of the launcher
[16:43] <lamalex> that seems like a bug you'd hit ql nav or not
[16:45] <MacSlow> lamalex, oh... that should not happen... keyboard-focus should be dropped from the launcher *sigh*
[16:45] <MacSlow> lamalex, looking into this now
[16:49] <\sh> jcastro: someone said, unity should run now under VirtualBox 4... hmm...trying to install the guest additions gives me: unsupported pre-release of Xorg server"...
[16:49] <jcastro> you just ran into the Xorg transition
[16:51] <\sh> jcastro: for sure :) well, I ran also into a non working laptop natty install ;)
[16:51] <\sh> but that has nothing to do with X or eventually it has to do with X it just stands at checking battery state ;)
[16:51] <jcastro> yeah, yesterday wasn't a good day
[16:52] <jcastro> I suspect it'll all be fine after today/tomorrow
[16:52] <jcastro> well, other than the virtualbox thing, that's probably up to them to support X 1.10
[16:53] <\sh> WTH...fatal error: linux/autoconf.h: no such file...
[16:55] <\sh> jcastro: but it is right, when you can't get a second instance of an app running under unity? I tested yesterday unity-2d and I'm not able to start two instances of gnome-terminal
[16:55] <\sh> s/when/that/
[16:56] <jcastro> I am stuck in the same boat
[16:56] <jcastro> I am just making new tabs in terminals
[16:57] <\sh> jcastro: agreed, a nice workaround...but the behaviour is a bit strange
[16:57] <jcastro> you're supposed to be able to right click and create new terminal like in unity 3d
[16:57] <jcastro> it's just a bug
[17:00] <and471> ronoc, hey, did you manage to take a look at the vala issue?
[17:00] <ronoc> and471, no sorry I didn't , where is the code again ?
[17:01] <and471> umm..
[17:01] <and471> lp:~and471/+junk/symphony
[17:01] <and471> ronoc, ^
[17:02] <ronoc> and471, looking now
[17:02] <and471> thanks
[17:05] <ronoc> and471, compilation error -> src/backend/dbus.vala:88.73-88.73: error: syntax error, expected `;'
[17:06] <and471> garr sorry, let me fix that
[17:10] <and471> ronoc, do a bzr pull
[17:10] <and471> ronoc, sorry about that
[17:16] <ronoc> and471, no worries, so I can't compile because I'm not natty and the dependencies have shifted
[17:16] <ronoc> but
[17:18] <ronoc> and471, i think you should place the libindicate in a separate class ,
[17:19] <ronoc> not quite sure why you are claiming ownership twice of the name
[17:19] <ronoc> but all of your answers are in the source for the xnoise plugins
[17:19] <ronoc> for maverick
[17:19] <ronoc> http://code.google.com/p/xnoise/downloads/detail?name=xnoise-plugins-core-0.1.13.tar.bz2
[17:19] <ronoc> and471, ^
[17:19] <and471> ronoc, sorry, my problem was that it wouldn't compile
[17:19] <ronoc> oh
[17:20] <and471> hehe
[17:20] <ronoc> and471, what was the problem again
[17:20] <and471> /home/andrew/Software/Projects/symphony/src/backend/dbus.c:16: fatal error: libindicate/indicator-messages.h
[17:20] <and471> No such file or directory
[17:20] <ronoc> right so the vapi needed to be hacked
[17:20] <ronoc> for libindicate
[17:20] <and471> yeah but then it still didn't work
[17:20] <and471> even with the inludedir stuff
[17:21] <and471> *includedir
[17:21] <ronoc> but the other errors were because you had more modifications to do no ?
[17:21] <and471> nope
[17:21] <and471> it just wouldn't compile
[17:21] <and471> and we got stuck yesterday
[17:21] <ronoc> what was the last error ?
[17:21] <and471> /home/andrew/Software/Projects/symphony/src/backend/dbus.c:16: fatal error: libindicate/indicator-messages.h: No such file or directory
[17:21] <and471> compilation terminated.
[17:22] <ronoc> but I though you got around this problem by fixing the path in the vapi ?
[17:22] <ronoc> *t
[17:22] <and471> nope
[17:22] <and471> ronoc, sorry I don't mean to be rude but I have to leave soon, so maybe I should take this up with the vala guys at a later date?
[17:22] <ronoc> and471, yeah or developer for natty ?
[17:22] <and471> ronoc, you probably have better things to do :)
[17:23] <ronoc> its going be out very soon
[17:23] <ronoc> just a few things alright ...
[17:23] <and471> ronoc, thanks anyway :)
[17:24] <ronoc> and471, no probs let me know how you get on. You should talk with the xnoise guys, they have a vala plugin for maverick which works fine
[17:24] <and471> ok
[17:40] <om26er> unity used to work with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental before the X update in natty. should the issue be reported for the xorg or maybe something need to be done in unity? bug 710588
[17:54] <lamalex> jaytaoko, How do you cancel a nux timer? Can I just delete it?
[17:59] <lamalex> jaytaoko, nevermind, i found RemoveTimerHandler
[17:59] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, how are you?
[18:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey, things are good!  I've kinda got a mystery on my hands here, and wondered if I could get some input
[18:00] <nmarques> didrocks, ping
[18:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: first off - have you tried compiling/running globalmenu-extension with the xulrunner b10 dev libraries?
[18:00] <didrocks> nmarques: hey
[18:01] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: and if so, have you noticed it segfaulting on startup (even without Lightning installed)?
[18:01] <nmarques> didrocks, I've done as you said and cloned the profile from Natty
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, i'm running that atm (but only in firefox)
[18:01] <didrocks> nmarques: excellent
[18:01] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ah, haven't tried it in FF.  Does it work for you in TB?
[18:01] <nmarques> didrocks, unity doesn't launch (no segfaults), but I only get the wallpaper and pointer, nevertheless this is on ATI hardware with FireGL (11.1) and that might be problem based on some bug reports
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ah. you really need to run the extension with the same gecko version as it was built with
[18:02] <didrocks> nmarques: FireGL is the proprietary driver isn't it?
[18:02] <chrisccoulson> i'm guessing what has happened is that one of the interfaces changed slightly between B10 and your tbird version
[18:02] <nmarques> didrocks, yeap
[18:02] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hm - i think my TB is also on b10...
[18:02] <didrocks> nmarques: yeah, there are bugs report about that, doesn't work with unity
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, is it a nightly, or a milestone release?
[18:03] <nmarques> didrocks, I'll try later on with Radeon DRM driver
[18:03] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yeah, i'm on a nightly
[18:03] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: which version are you working with?
[18:04] <nmarques> didrocks, I'm just installing the whole debugging stack to run unity_support_test on gdb and make sure everything is ok :)
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i would try compiling it against the exact thunderbird version that you're running. some of the functions it uses are inlined from headers, and if those change slightly, you get weird crashes
[18:04] <nmarques> didrocks, but at least I do have a progress ;)
[18:04] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright cool, thanks.  :)
[18:04] <didrocks> nmarques: yeah, all is related to the ATI driver…
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> that might not fix it, but that's probably the first thing i would try
[18:05] <nmarques> didrocks, one question... does Unity3 rellies on clutk ? I don't have clutk installed
[18:05] <didrocks> nmarques: no, it doesn't
[18:07] <nmarques> didrocks, thanks, I'm going to debug through unity_support_test and check a couple of things in nux once I have the stuff required installed and will give a go with radeonDRM and later on with Intel chipset after I install Factory there :)
[18:07] <nmarques> didrocks, once more, thanks for you help
[18:07] <didrocks> nmarques: you're really welcome  :)
[19:34] <devkorcvince> Hello can I post a REQUEST: unity to support tiling for developers... like awesome wm tiling
[21:49] <multiplatinum> can I speak to the dev of appmenu?
[21:51] <kklimonda> it's a bit late, he may already be asleep.
[21:53] <multiplatinum> anyone else responsible for it?
[21:54] <kklimonda> you may have more luck with asking your questions on the ayatana-dev ML, most devs work in the european TZ, so it's already pretty late for them.
[21:58] <multiplatinum> it's 11pm ><
[21:58] <multiplatinum> and 10pm for the UK
[21:58] <multiplatinum> but yeah, thx
[21:59] <multiplatinum> ayatana-dev is empty...
[22:06] <kklimonda> I was talking of the mailing list
[22:06] <kklimonda> about even
[22:21] <multiplatinum> oh
[22:21] <multiplatinum> yo mpt
[22:21] <multiplatinum> do you the appmenu?
[22:22] <multiplatinum> do you use the appmenu?
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, did you have any luck building the extension against your version of tbird?
[22:37] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - i'm running my Natty VM on a pretty weak machine this weak, plus I'm doing a debug build
[22:37] <m_conley> so it's taking forever. :)
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> heh, that's ok :)
[22:37] <m_conley> (i'm recompiling TB)
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> i need to really get our comm-central daily builds going
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> i keep saying i'm going to do it and then something else comes up ;)
[22:38] <m_conley> sounds familiar.  :D
[22:39] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey, wouldn't ya know it - just finished the compile.  Gonna see if it segfaults now...*fingers crossed*...
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, fingers crossed :)
[22:39] <chrisccoulson> i just had a crash in firefox actually, but i wasn't in gdb to get a trace :(
[22:39] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I've been a webby guy most of my working life - all this segfault business...memory management.  And *compiling*.  Cripes.  :p
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm used to it now ;)
[22:40] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: did the crash reporter send the data?
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> the crash reporter popped up, but the problem is that the symbols from the extension aren't on the server
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> so, it's not much use ;)
[22:40] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I've got a lot to learn about all of this.  Hope it's cool if I keep pinging you periodically.
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> sure, no problem
[22:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: bam - segfault
[22:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: :/
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> ah
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> did you manage to get a backtrace?
[22:41] <m_conley> yeah, I think I know where things are going wrong - I just don't understand *why*.
[22:41] <m_conley> give me a sec, i'll sum up my observations here...
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> oh, i just reproduced the firefox crash in gdb :)
[22:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: It seems to be freaking out in the uGlobalMenuDocListener
[22:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: during its Init
[22:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I was tooling around with this yesterday in gdb (I'm pretty new to gdb too)
[22:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: and there's a point where mDocument is assigned rootNode->GetOwnerDoc()
[22:46] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: the value assigned to mDocument gets filled with out-of-bounds pointers, so I figure that's where the problem starts there
[22:47] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but, when I, in gdb, manually call rootNode->GetOwnerDoc(), I get a nicely formed nsXULDocument returned, with no out of bounds addresses inside.
[22:47] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: so, I'm wondering if maybe we've hit an inconsistency or problem in the XULRunner libraries
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, interesting
[22:47] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I understand that nsXULDocument is an nsDocument - it's a subclass of some sort
[22:48] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but the guts get all messed up when assigning it to mDocument.  :/
[22:48] <m_conley> q
[22:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's strange. it's just returning a raw pointer too :/
[22:49] <m_conley> are you seeing something similar?
[22:50] <chrisccoulson> i need to try it in a build of comm-central really
[22:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm still running tbird 3.1 here ;)
[22:50] <m_conley> ah
[22:52] <m_conley> l
[22:52]  * m_conley keeps choosing the wrong window to type in. *sigh*
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> oh, the firefox crash is an easy fix :)
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> uGlobalMenuIconLoader outlives the menu item
[22:55] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: i suppose that'd do it, yes.  :)
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> the extension you're running definately built with the thunderbird headers didn't it?
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> the only reason i ask is that GetOwnerDoc is an inline
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> it's just a bit strange that calling it manually in GDB seems to give the expected result :/
[22:57] <m_conley> chrisccoulson:  I believe it did.  If it didn't, how would I check?
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure :/
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> actually, it might be possible to figure that out from autoconf.mk
[22:57] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: perhaps I have duplicate headers stashed around.  I imagine that sort of thing happens.
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> ac_configure_args in config/autoconf.mk tells you the build options
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> --with-libxul-sdk is the interesting one
[22:59] <m_conley> xulrunner-devel-2.0b10
[22:59] <m_conley> that's the same one that I'm using for TB, I'm pretty sure.
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> are you building tbird on xulrunner?
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> the default will be with it's own copy
[23:00] <m_conley> er, no, I suppose not
[23:00] <m_conley> hm
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> that might cause something like that
[23:00] <m_conley> i guess I assumed they'd be magically sync'd.  :)
[23:00] <m_conley> checking...
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> heh
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> they're out of sync, which is why we can't share the same xulrunner copy between firefox and tbird ;)
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> the releases are generally tagged at slightly different points in time
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if i get the same crash as you if i run it in our latest ffox nightly. that will be the same gecko version as your tbird build
[23:01] <m_conley> ok, hold up - how can I determine which version TB got built with?
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> are you building from hg?
[23:02] <m_conley> yes.
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> did you just grab the latest? if so, it will probably now be 2.0b12pre
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> mozilla-central was tagged for b11 earlier today
[23:03] <m_conley> I see, ok, checking...
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> it would be around 2 weeks newer than the xulrunner version you're building against
[23:04] <m_conley> Do you recommend I try to get the latest xulrunner libraries to build with?
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> you could try that. but, if you've just built tbird, you should have a working SDK in mozilla/dist/sdk
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> you could try passing that path to --with-libxul-sdk
[23:05] <Omega> I'm experience a pretty bad bug.
[23:05] <Omega> I'm in a tty right now
[23:05] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: cool, that sounds like a good idea.  thanks.  :)
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome :)
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm just grabbing our latest ffox nightly. i'll try running the b10 build of the extension in there
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> this is why i need to get comm-central nightlies working :)
[23:06] <m_conley> cool
[23:06] <Omega> I closed my laptop lid, when I got back, my session was resumed, but I saw that I couldn't click or do anything.
[23:06] <Omega> But, I had a terminal window open, and it was tranparant
[23:06] <Omega> behind it I could still see (and type into) gdm
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> Omega, this channel isn't really for support
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> which ubuntu version are you using?
[23:07] <Omega> I'm not asking for support.
[23:07] <Omega> I'm on natty alpha 1.
[23:07] <Omega> Reporting a bug.
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> well, this isn't really the place to report a bug either ;)
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> you need launchpad for that
[23:08] <Omega> Maybe devs want me to do something while it's still in the state of problem.
[23:08] <Omega> I know this.
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> right, but a lot of people have already finished for the day already
[23:08] <Omega> Oh.
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> wow,my connection is going really slow tonight
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> it's probably telling me that it's the end of the day ;)
[23:12] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: probably.  :)
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> it's getting slower and slower ;)
[23:12] <Omega> chrisccoulson: /quit
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> might be time to restart my router
[23:12] <Omega> Oops.
[23:12] <Omega> (That wasn't directed at you, I was going to /quit)
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[23:13] <m_conley> sounds like Omega is also telling you that it's the end of the day. :)
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> Omega, quite a few of us are experiencing window stacking issues and dead spots on the screen with unity atm. perhaps your issue is related?
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> in any case, it's known to be quite broken currently ;)
[23:17] <Omega> chrisccoulson: No, GDM was visible behind my terminal (and I just unlocked through it)
[23:18] <RAOF> Sounds like yet another stacking bug.
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, i don't get a crash when i run the b10 build in the latest ffox nightly
[23:18] <Omega> Well, this was after hibernation.
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> could be just coincidence though ;)
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> the new homepage is sweet!
[23:19] <m_conley> yeah, I dig it too.  :)
[23:19] <Omega> what's the new homepage o:
[23:19] <m_conley> The FF team is really burning the midnight oil on this
[23:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm glad they stuck the restore session button on the homepage now
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> although, that doesn't help us much, as we use our own homepage ;)
[23:20] <m_conley> you could do the same
[23:20] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hmm...ok, so I redirected to my comm-central sdk, and things were chugging along nicely with make, but then it error'd out, complaining that it can't find nsIRedirectChannelRegistrar.h in /include....
[23:20] <m_conley> and it's right - that file is missing.
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, the issue with our home page is that it's all online, so it's not possible to have a button to restore the session
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> i think that's only available in chrome code
[23:21] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: well, you could bundle it as part of the Ubuntu mod pack
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've been thinking about that :)
[23:21] <m_conley> hm, yep, ok - so nsIRedirectChannelRegistrar.h is in my old xulrunner-dev include folder
[23:22] <m_conley> but not in the new sdk in comm-central
[23:22] <m_conley> maybe deprecated?
[23:22] <chrisccoulson> interesting. what does "find . -name nsIRedirectChannelRegistrar.*" show in the build tree?
[23:23] <m_conley> by build tree, do you mean the gloablmenu-extension folder I have?
[23:23] <m_conley> er, "globalmenu-extension"
[23:23] <m_conley> or do you mean comm-central?
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> in comm-central
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i'm pulling in that header
[23:24] <m_conley> searching... ok, it found a .idl for it...
[23:24] <Omega> m_conley: Could you point me to the ppa with the builds you guys are talking about?
[23:24] <m_conley> and that's it.
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, that might be a bug :/
[23:25] <m_conley> who's bug?
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> yours ;)
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> i'll take a quick look here actually
[23:25] <m_conley> alright, cool - i'll start making noise on bugzilla
[23:25] <m_conley> Omega: builds of what?
[23:26] <m_conley> Omega: I'm using the nightly of Thunderbird, and the globalmenu-extension from Launchpad
[23:26] <m_conley> Omega: and Monday's daily of Ubuntu.
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, did you build tbird with --enable-ipc?
[23:27] <m_conley> no, I don't believe so
[23:27] <m_conley> checking...
[23:27] <m_conley> no, i didn't.
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what the defaults for that are with comm-central
[23:28] <m_conley> what does that flag do?
[23:28] <m_conley> it enables ipc, but what is ipc?
[23:28] <m_conley> ah, found it - reading...
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> IPC is to allow things to run out-of-process. does your tbird build have a separate libxul.so?
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> or is it just a big thunderbird-bin?
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> IPC only gets enabled for builds that create a libxul.so
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> (i think)
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> you can probably look in mozilla/dist/bin for that
[23:30] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it's symlinked to the libxul in ../../toolkit/library
[23:30] <m_conley> so perhaps I pointed to the wrong sdk
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> ah, that's ok then. i wonder if comm-central still defaults to no IPC then?
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> what does MOZ_IPC say in config/autoconf.mk?
[23:33] <m_conley> Hm - blank, so I'll assume false.
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> oh, i know :)
[23:33] <m_conley> lets hear it
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> so, nsNetUtil.h #includes nsIRedirectChannelRegistrar if MOZ_IPC=1
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> and nsIRedirectChannelRegistrar.h only exists if MOZ_IPC=1 too
[23:34] <m_conley> so, it sounds like I need to set MOZ_IPC to 1.  But why didn't I have to do that before?
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> however, when you include nsNetUtil.h, it's getting MOZ_IPC from config/autoconf.mk in globalmenu-extension
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> you need to pass --disable-ipc when building the extension
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> that should make it work
[23:35] <m_conley> ok, testing...
[23:35] <chrisccoulson> fingers crossed :)
[23:38] <m_conley> hrm, new problem - lots of undefined references to "PR_smprintf" and "PR_smprintf_free"
[23:38] <m_conley> along with "PR_IntervalNow" and "PR_sscanf"
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[23:39] <m_conley> not sure what to make of that.
[23:41] <m_conley> hm - I should also mention that those warnings being thrown from xpcom/glue/nsThreadUtils.cpp
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> ah, do you have a nspr folder in mozilla/dist/include ?
[23:41] <m_conley> I have an nspr.h
[23:42] <m_conley> but no folder.
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> what is NSPR_CFLAGS pointing to in config/autoconf.mk?
[23:42] <m_conley> ....--disable-nspr ?
[23:42] <m_conley> let me take a peek, hang on...
[23:43] <m_conley>  /mozilla/dist/inclued/nspr
[23:43] <m_conley> which we've just determined doesn't exist.
[23:43] <m_conley> "include"
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> ah, that would be why :)
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm not too sure how that happened though ;)
[23:44] <m_conley> well, i'm not too sure *what* happened, so I guess we're even.  :D
[23:44] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> so, that is the default value for NSPR_CFLAGS, which you get if you don't build with --without-system-nspr
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> but i'm not sure why the headers don't get copied :/
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, bug 712186 = quality bug reporting ;)
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> that sounds like some of the bugs i get!
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> like, "i got an error" ;)
[23:47] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: yeah, it's great
[23:49] <kklimonda> what's the sysrq command to call oom killer?
[23:49] <kklimonda> I can barely switch between windows right now :/
[23:51] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, I'm blind - yes, there is an nspr folder in mozilla/dist/include/nspr
[23:53] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: (globalmenu-extension is working very nicely for me in FF4.0b10, btw)


[07:50] <GnuYawk> bazaar sucks
[07:50] <GnuYawk> git >>>
[12:56] <abiliojr> hi, trying to spot something in an ubuntu ppa ... cloned the bzr repo, when it finishes cloning it says Most recent Ubuntu Wily version: 6.0.8-1
[12:57] <abiliojr> yet on the current changelog (and seems to be the case with the code contained within) is says "version 4.x"
[12:57] <abiliojr> am I missing anything?
[12:58] <abiliojr> I'm a bzr newbie
[13:02] <abiliojr> last commit in the log is from 2012, yet the 6.0.8 version it claims being the last is from this year


[17:31] <samba35> how to create a vnet interface before we cerate a guest on openvsiwthc (same thing i am able to do it linux bridge )


[13:19] <shakes808> _stink_: did you ever get your questions answered about the mortgage?
[13:37] <cmaloney> morning
[13:45] <_stink_> shakes808: yep, i think so, thank you
[13:45] <_stink_> i asked a few others and the info was consistent
[13:52] <shakes808> awesome!


[16:08] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg, how are you?
[16:09] <micahg> I'm good :)
[16:09] <micahg> having trouble finding the release tag for xulrunner-2.09
[16:09] <micahg> oops
[16:09] <micahg> xulrunner-2.0
[16:09] <micahg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-2.0.head/annotate/head%3A/debian/changelog
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, perhaps i didn't tag it ;)
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> i couldn't find it either
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> i thought i tagged it before merging
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> not sure how to fix that ;)
[16:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, so what should I do, just manually change it in my branch and merge the fixes in?
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that should be ok. which fixes are these?
[16:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: arm
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[16:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: supposedly there's supposed to be a beta 9 tagged today, should I just wait for that?
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> you can push your fixes, but we should wait for b9 before uploading
[16:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, I'll just add them to the main branch then, thanks
[16:30] <fta> hi
[16:31] <fta> chrisccoulson, is the launchpad team sprinting this week too?
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> fta - i think they were here last week
[16:36] <fta> ok, thanks
[16:37] <gnomefreak> when filing bugs on PPA packages at http://is.gd/hdZc1 can i add the package source to it and run apport-collect?
[16:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I thought it was next week
[16:43] <gnomefreak> well it seems you can. if i want to file a bug on PPA packages can i use ubuntu-bug or do i need to run apport-collect after filing?
[16:45] <gnomefreak> seems using apport-collect bug# stioll adds the following line "UnreportableReason: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[16:45] <gnomefreak> damn with #freenode :(
[16:49] <micahg> gnomefreak: yeah, that doesn't work unless there's a speciall apport db file installed
[16:50] <gnomefreak> well it added the system info and dependencies.txt file.
[16:51] <gnomefreak> but either way tb is broken and has been for a while
[16:51] <micahg> gnomefreak: what bug #?
[16:52] <gnomefreak> micahg: bug 701090  ill be back need a smoke
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701090 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Thunderbird will not move junk mail to junk folder when i mark a message as junk (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701090
[17:00] <gnomefreak> ok i have to get to doctors, i should be back in ~2 hours i hope. micahg if you get a chance can you look at bug 621309 and bug 621309   you were supposed to look at them a while ago, some time in October i believe but you never got a chance. but ill be back a bit later, thanks
[17:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621309 in pidgin (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Unable to join AIM chat rooms (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 27)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621309
[17:00] <gnomefreak> oops
[17:01] <gnomefreak> other bug is 625396
[17:01] <gnomefreak> ok out :)
[17:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: you mean the instantbird ones?  I have a some time this week
[17:01] <gnomefreak> yes same thing happens in Pidgon too but i know you are more of instantbird than Pidgon
[17:02]  * gnomefreak getting yelled at :(
[17:08] <fta> micahg, "+# 1 = Enable Thumb2 (If supported0"
[17:09] <fta> s/0/)/
[17:14] <micahg> fta: thanks, idk how I missed that
[17:14] <micahg> it's the same way in firefox :(
[20:19] <gnomefreak> did anyone ever get songbird working?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> this is funky! open FF3.6, do upgrades. AWESOME bar autocomplete stops working :|
[20:27] <micahg> BUGabundo: there should be a note to restart the browser after updates
[20:28] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:28] <micahg> BUGabundo: which release?
[20:28] <BUGabundo> natty
[20:28] <BUGabundo> and no 3.6 there
[20:28] <BUGabundo> its from security ppa
[20:28] <BUGabundo> you helped me with that :)
[20:29] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 3.6.14~hg20101129r34786+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2~maverick
[20:29] <micahg> BUGabundo: that's the daily PPA
[20:29] <BUGabundo> actually it isn't
[20:29] <BUGabundo> yeah, just saw that
[20:29] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[20:29] <micahg> and that's an old version :)
[20:30] <micahg> BUGabundo: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1416600/+listing-archive-extra
[20:30] <BUGabundo> I'll have to lose sometime and see if FF4 works as I want
[20:30] <BUGabundo> make a new profile and migrate all my addons
[20:30] <BUGabundo> let me unpin this one
[20:33] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude unhold firefox firefox-gnome-support firefox-branding
[20:37] <fta> lol
[20:40] <fta> hm, the sound indicator is still broken
[20:43] <BUGabundo> how come https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa is empty?????
[20:44] <micahg> BUGabundo: right, no staged updates
[20:45] <BUGabundo> so I can't upgrade :(
[20:45] <BUGabundo> booo
[20:45] <micahg> BUGabundo: daily PPA has a new version
[20:45] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:45] <BUGabundo> its the one I'm looking at now
[20:49] <BUGabundo> firefox-gnome-support will be removed
[20:49] <BUGabundo> firefox (version 3.6.14~hg20101129r34786+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2~maverick) will be upgraded to version 4.0~b8+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[20:49] <BUGabundo> firefox-branding (version 3.6.14~hg20101129r34786+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd2~maverick) will be upgraded to version 4.0~b8+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[20:49] <BUGabundo> micahg: ^^^ correct?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[20:49] <BUGabundo> not 4.0
[20:49] <BUGabundo> FUUUUU
[20:49] <BUGabundo> bad synaptic
[20:50] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks for updating the thunderbird bug. i totally forgot i filed that bug upstream a few months ago
[20:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: np
[20:51] <micahg> gnomefreak: I can actually confirm it, but haven't tested in a clean profile, so I haven't marked it confirmed upstream
[20:51] <gnomefreak> gnome-support is built in now IIRC
[20:51] <gnomefreak> thanks for testing too
[20:54]  * gnomefreak keeps leaving sudo out of sudo update-grub, you would think after the 5th time i would learn
[20:55] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you only need one: sudo -I
[20:55] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yeah i used to use -s but i stopped doing that all together a long while ago
[20:55] <gnomefreak> be back in a few my sccreen is going to start flickering
[20:56] <gnomefreak> maybe not
[20:58] <BUGabundo> bugabundo@BluBUG:~/Downloads/ff36/deb20110110$ sudo dpkg -i *
[20:58] <BUGabundo> hard core mode!!!!!!!
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hey guys, look at what I just got: http://p.bugabundo.net/got-my-mozilla-tshirt-for-beta-testing-firefo
[21:48] <magcius> "Unpacking replacement firefox-4.0-gnome-support ..."
[21:48] <magcius> never finishes
[21:49] <magcius> what the hell is it doing?
[21:53] <micahg> magcius: what version of the package?
[23:01] <gnomefreak> thunderbird still is not listed in preferred applications
[23:01] <gnomefreak> either is anything else except evo
[23:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^ do we need to fix the .desktop file?
[23:04] <gnomefreak> i would think it is a more general fix. i have 4 or more email apps and yet only evo shows up
[23:05] <gnomefreak> but for the thunderbird/seamonkey at the very least and let all others get fixed by thier maintainers
[23:05] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, the schema changed for GNOME3 AFAIK
[23:05] <gnomefreak> yeah
[23:06]  * gnomefreak dreams of running ubuntu desktop edition im tired of classic + gnome-shell
[23:06] <micahg> gnome-shell was removed from natty
[23:06] <gnomefreak> i use the PPA
[23:07] <gnomefreak> gnome-shell: Installed: 2.91.4+git20110108.a538027f-0ubuntu1~11.04~ricotz0
[23:08]  * gnomefreak most likely can run unity with a new nvidia card or i just wait until i get new pc
[23:08] <gnomefreak> i have to get some things done. ill be back in the morning
[23:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: does this look familiar to you? error: ‘XML_Char’ does not name a type
[23:54]  * micahg can't seem to remember what caused that
[23:54] <chrisccoulson> where is this from?
[23:55] <micahg> mediatomb
[23:55] <micahg> but I remember seeing it before elsewhere
[23:55] <micahg> expat.h
[23:58] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, not too sure
[23:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, don't worry about it, was just wondering if you remembered something offhand


[13:27] <aendrew> Hey folks — so, I've copied the packages from another PPA into my own PPA (because I'm wanting them on Trusty and not Precise), and Launchpad's telling me an updated version of Postgres and Postgres-common is available. How do I upgrade my PPA to use that instead? https://launchpad.net/~aendrew/+archive/ubuntu/cartodb-postgresql-9.3/+packages
[14:24] <cjwatson> aendrew: so, that's telling you that those source package names have a newer version in the primary archive for trusty, which it's worth LP telling you because apt clients will probably prefer the newer version unless explicitly configured otherwise
[14:25] <cjwatson> aendrew: you'll have to figure out what the nature of the differences between the baseline version in Ubuntu precise and the version you've copied are
[14:25] <aendrew> cjwatson: What if it's identical otherwise? Can I just tell the PPA to use the newer package somehow?
[14:25] <cjwatson> aendrew: it may be that they're all backports from later versions, or have otherwise been totally superseded by the version in Ubuntu trusty, or it may be that there are some substantial differences that you'll have to merge forward
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: if they're identical, you can likely just delete the one from your PPA
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: PPAs are always based on the primary Ubuntu archive, so there's no need to copy the version from Ubuntu into your PPA
[14:26] <aendrew> cjwatson: Right. Investigating a bit further, it seems they've made some changes, so therefore I'll just leave-be. Thanks!
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: but there isn't a straightforward works-for-everyone answer here, you have to look at the source packages
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: well, you can leave it be, but that doesn't solve the problem of apt clients probably not actually using those packages if they're pointed at your PPA
[14:31] <cjwatson> aendrew: if there are outstanding differences, the usual answer would be to merge/rebase the changes on top of the latest version in trusty
[14:31] <aendrew> Right-o, I can probably manage that. Is there a guide to forward-porting changes anywhere? Am super new to LP.
[14:31] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading if you don't already know the details of uploading stuff directly
[14:33] <cjwatson> I don't think there's a specific guide to this (unfortunately) - I'd suggest starting by grabbing the source package in precise and the source package in your PPA and using debdiff to compare them, then going through that diff and adjusting/applying it as necessary
[14:35] <aendrew> cjwatson: Cool, will give that a go! Thanks!
[18:31] <ki7mt> Hello, quick question. Not sure f this is the right place, but, I have package that requires a backport  from Wily to Trusty, Asciidoctor v1.5.3 to be exact. 14.04 has v1.4.1 which lacks the ability to generate manpages. Is there a way I can enable a backport in the control file for PPA generation?


[15:35] <JP___> I am thinking of making a system based on a SBC, that can run QT GUI and still manage sensors, databases and such
[15:35] <JP___> Any ideas?