[12:59] <cge> Bug #69181 is great.
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69181 in firefox "firefox has bee ncrashing often in edgy " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69181
[01:01] <crimsun> it's probably not even a FF issue.
[01:02] <cge> Yes. In the old days of GNOME's bugzilla, I would probably close a bug like that as rejected, but I suppose I should set it as needsinfo.
[02:49] <secretlondon> hi
[03:00] <Susana> hi, could someone help me on triaging a bug?
[03:00] <secretlondon> i'll try
[03:00] <Susana> most of the issues in bug 60274 have been fixed, but there's still a package missing from the reps
[03:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60274 in Ubuntu "pt_PT dictionarys unavailable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60274
[03:01] <Susana> and bug 68872
[03:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68872 in language-support-pt "myspell-pt-pt missing from depends and not available at the repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68872
[03:01] <Susana> is about that package
[03:01] <Susana> can i mark it a dup
[03:01] <Susana> as a dup
[03:01] <Susana> or is it more usefull to have that particular package in a separate bug report?
[03:02] <secretlondon> mark 68872 a duplicate of 60274
[03:02] <Susana> ok secretlondon
[03:02] <Susana> thanks
[03:03] <secretlondon> you make the main bug the one with the most info - which is 60274
[03:03] <secretlondon> it's not necessarily the earliest one - but it is in this case
[03:08] <Susana> secretlondon: should i make any more changes?
[03:08] <Susana> like setting affects to language-support-pt in 60274
[03:08] <Susana> and make the default comment for dups in 68872
[03:09] <Susana> or is it good like it is now?
[03:10] <secretlondon> affects we need the package it affects - things filed against ubuntu get forgotten
[03:10] <secretlondon> adding the default comment for dups is a good thing to do
[03:11] <secretlondon> is language-support-pt the best thing to file it under? I don't know
[03:12] <Susana> is it not? ups i changed it :/
[03:13] <Susana> i think it is because if you try to apt-get it, it says it is going to install myspell-pt-br and not myspell-pt-pt
[03:14] <secretlondon> susana: it's fine - it was a question as I don't know
[03:14] <Susana> and those are different
[03:14] <secretlondon> if it is wrong someone from that team will change it
[03:14] <secretlondon> it's just that bugs filed under Ubuntu don't often get looked at by people
[03:15] <secretlondon> susana: so you've done a good job :)
[03:16] <Susana> :)
[03:16] <Susana> thanks for your help secretlondon
[03:31] <secretlondon> no problem
[03:45] <secretlondon> hi hobbsee
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hi secretlondon
[04:10] <secretlondon> Could any of the kde people look at this bug for me?
[04:10] <secretlondon> #42775
[04:10] <secretlondon> bug #42775
[04:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42775 in swscanner "swscanner tries to use kdesu, which is not installed" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42775
[04:11] <secretlondon> it breaks in edubuntu - does it just need kdebase.bin adding to the dependencies?
[04:34] <nixternal> secretlondon: i love kde boogs
[04:34] <nixternal> as these for edgy?
[04:35] <secretlondon> nixternal: egdy still has the boog afaik
[04:36] <nixternal> one sec, and i will fire up my edubuntu edgy box
[04:36] <secretlondon> ty!
[04:37] <nixternal> ok, apt-get the swscanner and then what?
[04:37] <secretlondon> it installs 2 icons - run norm and run as root
[04:38] <nixternal> k
[04:38] <secretlondon> the run as root is broken cos it asks for kdesu
[04:38] <secretlondon> which isn't installed
[04:40] <nixternal> do you run it from term? where are these icons at?
[04:40] <secretlondon> should be under internet
[04:40] <nixternal> derr, big green swirls
[04:40] <nixternal> how could i have missed those
[04:40] <secretlondon> lol
[04:41] <nixternal> interesting...wireless scanner..nice
[04:41] <nixternal> im getting a signal, and i don't even have wireless on this box ;)
[04:41] <secretlondon> its the nearest we have to netstumbler
[04:42] <secretlondon> its quite a nice app
[04:42] <nixternal> ok, so now if i try the root way, it should crap out on me?
[04:42] <secretlondon> yeah
[04:42] <secretlondon> say no kdesu
[04:42] <nixternal> that was quick
[04:42] <nixternal> confirmed!
[04:42] <secretlondon> cool
[04:42] <secretlondon> so add a dep on whatever gives kdesu?
[04:43] <nixternal> thats what i looks like
[04:43] <nixternal> why it would ask for kdesui don't know
[04:44] <secretlondon> it is a kde app
[04:44] <nixternal> i didn't even realise that
[04:44] <secretlondon> it needs to run as root for scanning
[04:44] <secretlondon> like sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:44] <secretlondon> needs sudo from the command line
[04:45] <nixternal> hmm
[04:45] <nixternal> you can run it with sudo from the command line..but still
[04:45] <nixternal> that either needs to be tweaked to remove the kdesu dep or vice-versa
[04:46] <secretlondon> it needs root - whether its from gksudo or not
[04:51] <nixternal> it needs kdebase-bin as a dep
[04:51] <secretlondon> thanks - thats what i thought
[04:51] <nixternal> no problem
[04:52] <secretlondon> so we need to patch - and then send to debian too as we get it from them in think
[04:53] <nixternal> alrighty, i confirmed, set "low" status for the time being, and if nobody hits it up soon........well you just finished my sentence ;)
[04:53] <secretlondon> ok - i've done another patch on that prog to fix all the english boogs
[04:53] <secretlondon> so they may want combining - i dunno how these things work
[04:54] <nixternal> actually, that patch would be nothing more than adding 'kdebase-bin' to the control file, running dch -i to update the changelog and ubuntu version, then debuild -S then come out and debdiff it really
[04:54] <nixternal> i could probably do that really quick
[04:55] <nixternal> actually...for edgy i could
[04:55] <nixternal> i don't have a dapper chroot setup anymore
[05:06] <secretlondon> i should make a chroot on this box really - i need to learn to package
[05:12] <ajmitch> it would be a good thing to do
[05:12] <secretlondon> I agree
[05:44] <secretlondon> hi corey
[05:54] <Burgundavia> hey secretlondon
[06:34] <darren> hey can anyone confirm a bug for me?
[06:34] <darren> bug 68794
[06:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68794 in wesnoth "single player campaigns are not included" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68794
[06:35] <secretlondon> darren: i don't have a working edgy box sorry
[06:36] <darren> its ok, its not exactly high priority, and i have a workaround since its just a packaging issue
[06:36] <secretlondon> athough the music could be licensing related
[06:37] <darren> oh i guess that might make sense
[06:37] <darren> they are ogg files but i could see that they might not be "free"
[06:38] <darren> ok well thanks, cya
[07:21] <BHSPitMonkey> bugsquad!
[07:23] <secretlondon> morning
[08:03] <towsonu2001> hi
[08:04] <BHSPitMonkey> ho
[08:05] <towsonu2003> I love killing my ghost :)
[08:09] <BHSPitMonkey> that's a weird hobby
[08:10] <towsonu2003> ;)
[09:09] <dholbach> good morning
[09:14] <secretlondon> morning
[09:20] <dholbach> hey secretlondon
[09:20] <dholbach> how's it going?
[09:20] <secretlondon> it's going okay
[09:22] <dholbach> that's a good start ;-)
[09:23] <secretlondon> we have loads of installation bugs..
[09:23] <secretlondon> it seems like millions of them...
[09:36] <towsonu2003> had to compile xchat just to be able to use it. weird thing...
[10:17] <secretlondon> anyone know anything about lisp?
[10:17] <secretlondon> we have bug #69233
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69233 in common-lisp-controller "Cant' load common lisp library" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69233
[10:18] <secretlondon> which sounds fatal - but there's nothing in debian bugs about it and it was a straight sync from debian
[10:27] <towsonu2003> secretlondon, I guess we still have serious problems with our qa process...
[10:27] <secretlondon> towsonu2003: i think the problem with lisp is that it's a bit obscure i suppose
[10:28] <secretlondon> but I would expect if it was totally broken that debian would have a bug , and we would have more than 1
[10:28] <secretlondon> so I suspect it may be a support thing
[10:28] <towsonu2003> the obscure ones usually don't get tested in Debian and Ubuntu I think...
[10:29] <secretlondon> none of the lisp bugs seem to have been looked at
[10:29] <towsonu2003> don't get tested = don't get enough testing
[10:29] <secretlondon> debian has lisp bugs so people are using it
[10:29] <secretlondon> we could do with teams to forward these things to - like an Ubuntu AI language team (or something) who could do lisp and prolog
[10:30] <secretlondon> we are all generalists
[10:30] <towsonu2003> generalist?
[10:30] <secretlondon> we don't specialise
[10:31] <towsonu2003> would be nice to have sub-teams of ubuntu-bugs, and I proposed one, but ppl don't like the idea to specialize on bugs
[10:32] <towsonu2003> and in the meantime, for some packages, I wonder whether anyone from ubuntu tests the package after sync'ing it -but that's ranting of course :)
[10:33] <secretlondon> our team structure needs more work - we need a workflow to send bugs to places - some teams don't seem to want bugs (surprise!) and i get messages that non subscribers cannot post to email list if I subscribe them
[10:35] <towsonu2003> I'd send a proposition email to ubuntu-bugs if I were you. if they (we) get enough emails that propose to re-shape our group structure, I guess something can change?
[10:36] <secretlondon> no launchpad structure like that needs to be at mountain view
[10:36] <secretlondon> i'm not sure what is planned there
[11:02] <secretlondon> cinepaint still has unmet dependencies
[11:02] <secretlondon> (in edgy)
[11:03] <secretlondon> bug #65457
[11:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65457 in cinepaint "[UNMETDEPS]  cinepaint has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65457
[11:03] <secretlondon> How do we progress this?
[12:17] <topochan> hello
[12:19] <topochan> i've found some critical bugs, I've reported but they don't check in launchpad in 5 days
[12:22] <topochan> hello?
[12:22] <dholbach> topochan: hello, it's been a weekend in between and there was quite some stuff to get done after edgy release
[12:22] <dholbach> so please try to stay patient
[12:24] <topochan> ok, I hope help
[12:24] <dholbach> ok
[12:24] <dholbach> which bugs numbers were those?
[12:24] <topochan> one moment
[12:26] <topochan> Bug #68390
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68390 in xorg "[Edgy] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fail to detect hardware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68390
[12:26] <topochan> i've found the solution, install discover1 package
[12:27] <dholbach> perhaps you should add that information
[12:28] <dholbach> xserver-xorg recommends discover1 | discover
[12:30] <topochan> yeah, but discover is installed not discover1, in dapper the problem don't happen
[12:31] <dholbach> discover is installed?
[12:31] <dholbach> it's in universe
[12:31] <topochan> one moment
[12:32] <topochan> yeah, discover is not installed
[12:33] <topochan> but discover1 in clean installation is not installed too
[03:54] <bddebian> Boo
[04:07] <trappist> is Ubugtu not telling us about new bug reports?
[04:10] <pradeep> The last bug was around 13:45 IST
[04:14] <trappist> the last bug reported to launchpad, or the last bug mentioned by Ubugtu?
[04:33] <pradeep> trappist, on launchpad
[04:52] <sfllaw> Seveas: Ping?
[04:52] <sfllaw> Seveas: Ubugtu seems stalled.
[04:55] <gnomefreak> sfllaw: hes acting weird atm in -ops too but i dont think Seveas is around. maybe at work
[05:00] <dholbach> seb128: good work on the UpstreamDelta page
[05:46] <seb128> dholbach: thank you ;)
[06:38] <seb128> dholbach: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351603
[06:38] <seb128> dholbach: look at the number of dup
[06:38] <Ubug2> Gnome bug 351603 in time-admin "crash on Time and Date -- adjusting time" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[06:38] <dholbach> HOLY FUCK
[06:39] <zul> hmm?
[06:39] <dholbach> seb128: we should consider turning bug-buddy off :-/
[06:39] <seb128> yeah
[06:39] <seb128> dholbach: <bkor> seb128: this weekend we had > 1000 bugreports/day
[06:40] <dholbach> they should have never unleashed bug-buddy to the masses like that :/
 it was a mistake to push that bug-buddy over xmlrpc before having bugzilla ready fo rit
[06:40] <seb128>  for it
[06:40] <seb128> ...
 didn't expect so many bugs already
[06:41] <seb128> ...
 I thought that would be in 2008 or so
[08:08] <xerxas> can someone help me on a bug ?
[08:08] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/9994
[08:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 9994 in gimp "Opening a file on an SMB share gave an error" [Unknown,Fix released]
[08:08] <xerxas> fix released, since a long time , but doesn't work on edgy
[08:09] <xerxas> debian seem to have gimp-gnomevfs package
[09:37] <ausimage> Hello, I am experiencing a weird bug with Gnome's Remote Desktop... It is seeming to unset itself... when I come to access the desktop the next day after accessing it is giving me errors...
[09:38] <ausimage> Which package is this under is Vino or the Remote desktop applet??
[09:38] <Burgwork> what are you connecting to?
[09:38] <ausimage> My edgy ubuntu box....
[09:38] <Burgwork> vino
[09:39] <ausimage> The first time I tried it could not find it, the next it could not match the password... In Dapper I had no probs
[09:39] <ausimage> K
[11:42] <sfllaw> Seveas: Ping?


[00:35] <SarahJane888> Hi crew - I'm new to linux, but learning a ton. I've built a service that mounts google drive to my machine, but want to have a second service that fuses that mount with a local folder. I'm having issues with systemd loading them correctly. My gdrive mount works fine, but the local folder won't mount overtop. journalctl isn't helping me too much
[00:36] <sarnold> what does "fuses" mean?
[00:36] <SarahJane888> union-fs
[00:36] <SarahJane888> i want to layer them on top of each other
[00:37] <sarnold> aha. I think I've heard that overlayfs or overlay is the 'modern' preferred such thing. I'm also not sure I'd trust it with fuse.
[05:58] <nacc> mwhahaha: np!
[07:35] <Village> Hello, what VLC on Ubuntu server 16.04 are lasted?
[08:46] <rbasak> Village: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc. But if you're using VLC, it's probably not a server?
[09:39] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:13] <jamespage> beisner_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1698350
[11:13] <jamespage> tagged openstack-mir as discussed
[11:13] <jamespage> os-traits is not actually in yet but raised the paperwork anyway
[11:35] <ikonia> openstack-mir ?
[11:35] <ikonia> thats interesting,
[11:58] <fallentree> Hiall. I'd like to run multiple "copies" of the same snap application on the server. Each snap would run on different port. but I'm not sure how to achieve this, it appears there can only be one instance of a snap.
[11:59] <fallentree> What I'm trying to do is snap-up a PHP application deployed to multiple clients per server.
[11:59] <fallentree> Why snap? Isolation, and also some clients will run version X, some X.1, etc...
[12:00] <fallentree> So one such snap would deliver a php-fpm daemon, readonly php files, and a designated write (file upload) area, with each havign custom config (port or unix socket path, etc...)
[12:05] <beisner_> ack jamespage - will talk to folks when they come online later today - tyvm
[12:49] <rbasak> fallentree: you could use multiple lxd containers I think, each with one snap installed. That'd put them on different IPs by default though I think. For more, try #snappy.
[12:57] <fallentree> rbasak: I specifically want to avoid using full containers like lxd, but it seems there really is no other way, thanks.
[16:54] <rbasak> nacc: should http://paste.ubuntu.com/24873590/ work? Can you see if you can reproduce it please?
[16:54] <rbasak> Oh, disregard.
[16:54] <rbasak> That's my broken changelog parsing branch. Sorry!
[20:11] <dpb1> woop http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/artful/update_excuses.html#python-boto  first thing I fixed in ubuntu
[20:13] <dpb1> now, that deja-dup failure is concerning
[20:14] <nacc> dpb1: looks to be a ftbfs?
[20:14] <dpb1> but, I guess it was failing on the glib2.0 trigger
[20:14] <dpb1> OK
[20:14] <nacc> dpb1: there is a new vala in a-p, iirc
[20:15] <sarnold> error: Argument 1: Cannot pass value to reference or output parameter
[20:15] <nacc> dpb1: there was some discussion earlier this week between myself, jbicha and fossfreedom on this, as their builds were failing due to vala changes
[20:15] <sarnold>      (model as Gtk.ListStore).remove(iter);
[20:15] <sarnold>                                       ^^^^
[20:15] <sarnold> that's strongly unlikely to be due to a python-boto change :)
[20:15] <dpb1> indeed
[20:15] <nacc> sarnold: yep
[20:16] <nacc> and it's not a true regression in the sense of caused by, it's that the test has been failing now and wasn't failing before
[20:17] <dpb1> nacc: so, the whole artful-proposed pocket isn't used for that test, it's scoped at just --apt-pocket=proposed=src:glib2.0 ... is that right?
[20:17] <nacc> i've often thought it would be nice if 'regression' was more accurate (just seeing if the old and new version of this pkg is what caused the failure)
[20:17] <nacc> dpb1: you're right, but valac migrated between the passing and failing cases
[20:17] <dpb1> ya, when I saw regression, I was like WHAT
[20:17] <dpb1> k
[20:17] <nacc> dpb1: valac-0.34-vapi to valac-0.36-vapi
[20:17] <nacc> i'm comparing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(PASS) to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(first FAIL)
[20:18] <nacc> so even that is inaccurate as to it being hte first FAIL
[20:18] <nacc> because really glib2.0 isn't causing it either, afaict
[20:18] <nacc> but there's not a good way to force all packages but one to change when you've got an archive to build against that has stuff moving constantly :)
[20:20] <nacc> dpb1: https://github.com/manjaro/pamac/issues/235 ? similar error and possible fix?
[20:21] <nacc> dpb1: or more correctly referred to in LP: #1686083
[20:21] <nacc> dpb1: with a #if VALA_0_36 wrapper etc
[20:23] <nacc> dpb1: actual bug: LP: #1668915
[20:25] <nacc> dpb1: jbicha already has a branch proposed: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/deja-dup/+git/deja-dup/+merge/325865
[20:25] <dpb1> ah I see.
[20:26] <dpb1> sweet
[20:59] <drab> anybody in server land that has seen the cockpit-project?
[21:13] <dpb1> I've seen it, yes. :)
[21:13] <dpb1> never used though, no
[21:13] <drab> I can't tell to what degree it's an evil webmin 2.0 kind of thing...
[21:13] <drab> but I have a bunch of use cases where I'd have to explain to people what ssh is and that's a non starter
[21:14] <drab> I'd be used internally only so relatively safe, but I'm not finding much in terms of audit/testing from the larger community
[21:15] <dpb1> drab: it dovetails interestingly in ideas we have bantered about over beers before.  API like administration of your ubuntu box, etc.
[21:22] <hehehe> hi
[21:22] <hehehe> :)
[21:22] <hehehe> i have managed to fix all server issues
[21:22] <hehehe> :D
[21:37] <sarnold> hehehe: nice
[21:37] <hehehe> sarnold: do u laravel? :D
[21:37] <sarnold> hehehe: no idea what that is
[21:37] <sarnold> it sounds sticky
[21:38] <hehehe> what kind of geek are u!
[21:38] <hehehe> :DP
[21:38] <hehehe> Laravel - The PHP Framework For Web Artisans
[21:38] <hehehe> https://github.com/laravel/laravel
[21:38] <sarnold> oh gods no
[21:38] <dpb1> web artisan.  I'm not that, for sure.
[21:38] <drab> lol
[21:38] <sarnold> I avoid php at all costs
[21:39] <hehehe> why
[21:39] <hehehe> u are assembler addict
[21:39] <hehehe> I am Web Culinary Master
[21:39] <hehehe> combining flavors of various languages I barely now
[21:39] <hehehe> know
[21:40] <hehehe> I wonder if I can work remote for google with such title? :)
[21:58] <hehehe_offline> https://www.scaleway.com/virtual-cloud-servers/
[21:58] <hehehe_offline> so nice
[22:00] <hehehe_offline> i wonder if I can make some kind of image of ubuntu server
[22:00] <hehehe_offline> and load to new box via kvm?
[22:01] <hehehe_offline> seems possible
[22:01] <hehehe_offline> what do u think
[22:01] <sarnold> on scaleway specifically? or local? or a private cloud?
[22:01] <hehehe_offline> any provider with kvm
[22:02] <tomreyn> by kvm, do you mean the virtualization technology or keyboard, video, mouse?
[22:02] <sarnold> most providers let you make images of some sort; openstack-based things store images in glance, aws lets you do something like convert ebs volumes to ami ..
[22:02] <hehehe_offline> sarnold: virt tech
[22:03] <hehehe_offline> but many dont allow it openly
[22:03] <hehehe_offline> aws yes
[22:03] <hehehe_offline> I used ami :D
[22:03] <hehehe_offline> https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/100818/windows-on-ovh-vps-ssd
[22:03] <hehehe_offline> neat
[22:05] <hehehe_offline> oki I must sleep
[22:05] <hehehe_offline> :D
[22:05] <hehehe_offline> slepppppppppppp
[22:07] <sarnold> "Keep in mind this will take well over an hour, so leave this running and go to something else until it finishes." holy cow why is that so terribly slow?
[22:07] <drab> what's that?
[22:07] <sarnold> drab: downloading a compressed windows disk image, gunzip -c, then dd that to a virtual disk
[22:08] <sarnold> it's less than ten gigs uncompressed
[22:08] <drab> what's the virtual disk? qcow2 stuff?
[22:10] <sarnold> dunno. The rest of that page suggests it's nvme backed ssds.
[22:11] <sarnold> qcow2 is sloow but even that ought to be able to handle 10 gigs in less than two hours right? :)
[22:14] <drab> yeah, fair, maybe storage is not local?
[22:15] <sarnold> maybe that 100mb/s is the switch speed? :)
[22:16] <drab> :)
[22:23] <dpb1> powersj: guess I can poke you over here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase?action=diff&rev2=160&rev1=157
[22:25] <powersj> oh yeah sorry :)
[22:25] <powersj> I like the recently updated
[22:26] <powersj> better verbiage around server-next would be nice
[22:26] <dpb1> give me words
[22:30] <dpb1> powersj: nice pics on https://powersj.github.io/ubuntu/2017/06/16/server-sprint-denver.html
[22:32] <powersj> thx
[22:34] <powersj> dpb1: I like "top 20 important bugs" or just "top 20 bugs"
[22:34] <dpb1> ok
[22:34] <dpb1> ya, it's better


[06:08] <didrocks> good morning
[06:13] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[06:21] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:51] <duflu> Morning didrocks and jibel
[06:58] <GunnarHj> Good morning duflu, didrocks, jibel!
[06:59] <duflu> Morning GunnarHj
[06:59] <GunnarHj> Please someone with access: There is a need to re-run autopkgtest for libkf5sane (disco/armhf) since it's blocking the sane-backends SRU on disco.
[06:59] <GunnarHj> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libk/libkf5sane/disco/armhf
[07:15] <didrocks> hey duflu, GunnarHj
[08:01] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <Laney> hey hey
[08:02] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:02] <duflu> Morning willcooke and Laney
[08:02] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:03]  * Laney fist bumps willcooke and duflu
[08:03] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:03] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[08:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:04] <seb128> how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:04] <Laney> 👊 also didrocks, wb seb128!
[08:04] <willcooke> hi seb128!  Welcome back, nice hols?
[08:04] <seb128> oh also good morning desktopers, looks like I didn't say hi on this channel earlier
[08:04] <Laney> YEP, great weekend!
[08:04] <seb128> willcooke, excellent ones thanks, nice walks/weather/food
[08:04] <Laney> sweet
[08:05] <seb128> almost no internet, not even 3g :p
[08:05] <seb128> and I didn't take the computer so 0 work emails this time :)
[08:05] <Laney> sounds nice
[08:05] <seb128> indeed
[08:22] <marcustomlinson> whoops forgots irc
[08:22] <marcustomlinson> morning gang
[08:22] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:31] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[09:05] <Laney> jdstrand: hey ho - is there any chance you'd be able to merge apparmor please? there's a breaks incoming from Debian that I'd rather not add a delta to lower if I can avoid it
[09:21] <GunnarHj> Hello seb128!
[09:21] <GunnarHj> Any chance you can help me by pressing a button (or something along those lines)?
[09:21] <GunnarHj> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/09/09/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t06:59
[09:26] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, done
[09:31] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks!
[09:47] <clobrano> hey all 0/
[09:49] <willcooke> hi clobrano
[09:51] <clobrano> hi willcooke :)
[10:28] <clobrano> willcooke, seb128: there are some updates about https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/1477
[10:28] <clobrano> my PR https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/1478 hasn't been really accepted by the rest of the team (too bright for a dark headerbar), so I made a new one https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/1492
[10:28] <clobrano> however, most of the team is also in favor of a full bright light theme (no dark headerbar in the light variant), proposed here https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/1493
[10:28] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 1477 in yaru "The headerbar buttons lack of contrast compared to the background" [Design, Open]
[10:28] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 1478 in yaru "ubuntu-colors: Lighten headerbar up" [Open]
[10:28] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 1492 in yaru "Lighter headerbar v8" [Open]
[10:29] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 1493 in yaru "Light theme light headerbar" [Open]
[10:31] <willcooke> clobrano, I like https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/1493 especially.  For me, on the light theme, the problem of being able to identify the buttons is solved.  Less so on the dark theme, but it's still better.  Nice work!
[10:31] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 1493 in yaru "Light theme light headerbar" [Open]
[10:55] <clobrano> willcooke: thanks :D, could you just drop a note on the PR?
[10:56] <clobrano> oh, you did already, thanks!
[10:58] <clobrano> willcooke: we can probably backport some changes I made on the dark headerbar into the dark variant
[11:16] <seb128> clobrano, hey, I saw quite some activity on the ticket, I'm just back from holidays and catching up with things, will comment in a bit
[11:17] <seb128> but yeah, +1 for what Will wrote
[11:46] <clobrano> thanks seb128 :)
[11:46] <seb128> np
[11:46] <seb128> thank you for the work on the issue!
[13:04] <jdstrand> Laney: hey, re apparmor, what is the Breaks and when do you need it?
[13:04] <Laney> jdstrand: it's the mutter / Xwayland thing
[13:05] <Laney> well the commit is in the repository on salsa now, and I'll be doing an upload soonish to resolve the FTBFS we currently have
[13:30] <jdstrand> Laney: ack. I may not get to it today, but I'll squeeze it in for sometime soon
[13:32] <Laney> okey, thanks very much :-)
[14:41] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, was there any reason to not sync the libinput update? ;)
[14:42] <tjaalton> seb128: no
[14:42] <seb128> tjaalton, k, I'm syncing it then, thx :)
[15:58] <Laney> Trevinho: just came across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1825593, looks like you missed it at the time
[16:10] <didrocks> Laney: do you mind unblocking zsys on s390x for autopkgtests failing? (We don't build s390x anymore until we support other bootloaders than grub)
[16:23] <Laney> didrocks: ok
[16:24] <didrocks> thx :)
[16:24] <Laney> seb128: got a commit for gnome-control-center 1:3.33.90-1ubuntu2 ?
[16:48] <Laney> whoooooooo brokeeeeeeeeeeeeee cheeeeeeeeessssseeeeeeeeeeeeee
[16:49] <Laney> (eoan-amd64)root@disco:/build# /usr/bin/pkg-config --cflags cheese
[16:49] <Laney> Package gstreamer-plugins-bad-1.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[16:49] <Laney> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gstreamer-plugins-bad-1.0.pc'
[16:52] <Laney> will have to look into that more tomorrow
[17:18] <willcooke> night all
[18:02] <Trevinho> Laney: indeed I did, I think I fixed locally though
[18:05] <Laney> :>
[18:19] <Laney> ok fixed cheese, uploading to experimental
[18:46] <marcustomlinson> all this talk about cheese is making me hungry
[18:47] <marcustomlinson> I'm off to find some cheese. Goodnight all
[18:51] <sarnold> mm cheese
[19:44] <seb128> Laney, g-c-c, I don't think I do, IIRC the ppa version was not in the vcs when I did the upload so I just went the dget/edit/dput way  (which I assumed was on purpose since it was not uploaded to the distro yet, but maybe I should have pinged about that)


[12:51] <lifeless> kiko-afk: ping
[12:58] <Amaranth> looks like the 'Priority: Optional' bug in the PPAs wasn't actually fixed, anyone remember the bug number?
[01:50] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know where Joey went off to?
[02:06] <thumper> LaserJock: yeah, ISP problems
[02:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:32] <mayeco> mpt: hey
[02:32] <mayeco> mpt: easy....
[02:32] <mayeco> :D
[02:33] <mpt> hmm?
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #133776 in malone "Mail notifications are using project's display name instead of target name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133776
[07:57] <lifeless> reviewer meeting in 3 minutes
[08:01] <thumper> here
[08:04] <jamesh> hi
[08:05] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[08:05] <lifeless> is BjornT on leave now ?
[08:06] <BjornT> hi
[08:06] <lifeless> hi :)
[08:06] <lifeless> sorry for the slight delay, I was showing Martin the door
[08:06] <jamesh> is it a nice door?
[08:06] <lifeless> it is
[08:07] <lifeless> I'll ring spiv
[08:07] <lifeless> done
[08:07] <spiv> Hi.
[08:07] <spiv> lifeless: thanks
[08:07] <lifeless> np, I live to nag
[08:08] <lifeless> or is it nag to live
[08:08] <lifeless> next meeting, 28th same time ?
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Discouraging huge branches (barry)
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Notes to reviewers inside code, e.g. "REVIEWER: I'll file a bug for this after approval" or "REVIEWER: This code didn't match that comment before, but with this change it does." (jtv)
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Graduations and new recruits (barry)
[08:08] <lifeless>  * Spiv staying as reviewer (lifeless)
[08:10] <lifeless> I'll take that as a yes.
[08:10] <thumper> I was waiting for the rollcall
[08:10] <thumper> yes to the 28th
[08:10] <lifeless> roll call happened, you guys said hi :)
[08:11] <lifeless>  == queue status ==
[08:11] <lifeless> 13 open reviews
[08:11] <jamesh> half are assigned to stub
[08:11] <lifeless> 9 over the target
[08:11] <lifeless> I suck most. (sorry curtis)
[08:11] <thumper> I'm in communication with ddaa, mwh and stub about code import db patches
[08:12] <lifeless> thumper: are they actually in 'needs review' though?
[08:12] <lifeless> or are they 'bounced and discussion about how to get them back in' ?
[08:12] <thumper> lifeless: they are in response to bounce,
[08:12] <thumper> lifeless: but I think they still need work
[08:13] <lifeless> Then I think they should not be shown as unreviewed; this is a failing of our system at the moment, its too black and white
[08:13] <lifeless> sometimes things become multiple peoples responsibility; as these have.
[08:13] <thumper> true
[08:13] <thumper> it is kind of db review though, getting them right
[08:14] <lifeless> it is
[08:14] <thumper> it is a weird state
[08:14] <lifeless> but its not a back and forth clearly partitioned thing like most reviews, from what I can tell
[08:14] <thumper> not right now, now
[08:14] <lifeless> its more pre-implementation design call stuff, being done at the end :)
[08:14] <lifeless> anyhow, you are taking responsibility for sheparding them
[08:14] <thumper> yep
[08:15] <lifeless> If you are sure that work needs to be done, I think they should come out of the queue
[08:15] <thumper> ok, I'll move them after the meeting
[08:16] <lifeless> one sec, I'll minute the guts of this
[08:16] <lifeless> put them back to w-i-p I think
[08:16] <thumper> yep
[10:07] <thekorn> hi all, where is the right place to report a bug in https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net
[10:09] <thekorn> the "filter"-box on pages like https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ is not working
[10:30] <BjornT> thekorn: please file them at https://launchpad.net/malone/+filebug
[10:30] <thekorn> BjornT: ok, will do thanks
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #133807 in malone "Filters-portlet on staging.launchpad.net is not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133807
[11:14] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Hi, I'm just trying to improve the translator credits in KDE apps...
[11:15] <danilos> Kuhrscher: hi Jannick
[11:15] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Could you tell me how you made it to leave one mail adress empty?
[11:15] <danilos> Kuhrscher: can it actually be done in KDE?
[11:15] <Kuhrscher> danilos: not is beautiful as in gnome but  better than now ;-)
[11:17] <danilos> well, I used KDE documentation to see how it's done, and it says that one just needs to leave an empty text between commas... i.e. if it would otherwise be "someone@mail.com,blah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it can also be "someone<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:18] <Kuhrscher> mpt: If there is one single point... ;-)
[11:18] <jordi> danilos: dude I didn't see you at GUADEC!
[11:18] <danilos> jordi: next time, try coming :)
[11:19] <jordi> WOA! so that's how you did it!
[11:21] <danilos> Kuhrscher: the thing is, with GNOME, we have a free-form text field... with KDE, we've got a comma separated list of names and corresponding comma separated list of emails... if you've got any suggestions on how to improve either, feel free to say so
[11:23] <Kuhrscher> danilos: I'm just making a screenshot
[11:34] <Kuhrscher> danilos: http://www.kuhr.org/translatorcredits.jpg
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> danilos: It's far away from being perfect, but I thinks it's better than the current version...
[11:36] <danilos> Kuhrscher: can you do that without patching KDE? if not, we'll have to change this in Ubuntu kdelibs package as well...
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> Just, with commas etc ;-)
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> Patrick Trettenbrein, Jannick Kuhr, , Launchpad contributions:, Jannick Kuhr, Patrick Trettenbrein, Jannick Kuhr, Patrick Trettenbrein, Jannick Kuhr
[11:37] <Kuhrscher><EMAIL_ADDRESS>jakuhr-linux@gmx.de,,, https://launchpad.net/~jakuhr, https://launchpad.net/~trettenbrein, https://launchpad.net/~jakuhr, https://launchpad.net/~trettenbrein, https://launchpad.net/~jakuhr
[11:38] <Kuhrscher> We use ", ," to get a line break befor the "Launchpad contribs"
[11:39] <Kuhrscher> "Lauchpad contributions" as the first Launchpad translator and no mail adress for him ;-)
[11:39] <Kuhrscher> danilos: And instead of mail adresses for the launchpad users their accounts as in the Gnome credits.
[11:41] <danilos> Kuhrscher: ah, ok, that's some serious hacking into the KDE style support... the thing is, I didn't really have too much experience with KDE, so thanks for the tips on how it actually works in KDE programs :)
[11:42] <Kuhrscher> danilos: You should use KDE ;-)
[11:42] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Could you implement the credits like this?
[11:42] <danilos> Kuhrscher: sure thing, I am filing a bug right now :)
[11:43] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Great :)
[11:43] <danilos> Kuhrscher: but still, GNOME is so much better... you can also email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but I am not biased at all :P
[11:44] <Kuhrscher> danilos: KDE is so much better, should even see it if you are biased :P
[11:44] <Kuhrscher> ;-)
[11:46] <danilos> Kuhrscher: right... this bug is getting a low priority... no, I'll have to add an "almost no" priority value just for KDE stuff :P
[11:47] <Kuhrscher> danilos: I'll go out to the world and tell everybody how mean these Gnome guys are ;-)
[11:56] <danilos> Kuhrscher: fyi, bug #133817 (and I'll close it as 'Invalid' later :P)
[11:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133817 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[11:57] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Ok, thanks ;-)
[12:02] <Kuhrscher> danilos: I attached the screenshot and the lines from my ktorrent.po file as an example. How long will you need to implement it like this?
[12:03] <danilos> Kuhrscher: it should be pretty simple, but it can't land before the end of next month since we are now on a monthly release cycle, and this is not a "critical" bug...
[12:05] <Kuhrscher> danilos: If it lands before the release of gutsy, it's enough ;-)
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133817
[12:06] <danilos> Kuhrscher: yeah, it should be ready before Gutsy :)
[12:06] <Kuhrscher> Fine :)
[12:06] <Kuhrscher> danilos: Ok, see you later.
[12:07] <danilos> Kuhrscher: cheers
[03:12] <cprov> superm1: ping
[03:43] <superm1> hey cprov
[03:45] <cprov> superm1: hi, I was performing some maintenance tasks in PPA-beta and wanted to warn you it would be down for a couple of minutes. It's done already.
[03:45] <superm1> ah that's okay.  thanks for the warning
[05:55] <bdmurray> Is there a way to search a bug watch lik https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs ?
[05:57] <kiko> bdmurray, the list? not currently, though there are some bugwatch-related options in the regular advanced search.
[05:59] <bdmurray> kiko: right, like show bugs that are open upstream?
[06:00] <kiko> yes
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #133880 in launchpad "https should use the squid proxy rather than relying on firewall holes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133880
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #133884 in soyuz "lpia arch missing from cron.germinate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133884
[07:06] <iwj> OK.  I give up.  Where is https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc nowadays ?
[07:07] <iwj> And how was I /supposed/ to find it ?
[07:07] <iwj> Oh, Google gives me   https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail#head-e035168556bfe139472202a2228dd2eeb8e8de65
[07:08] <iwj> Uh.
[07:08] <iwj> OK, my next question then is, since it's not answered there:
[07:08] <iwj> How can I target a bug to a milestone at submission time via the email interface ?
[07:10] <mwhudson> iwj: that page is linked to from the front page of help.launchpad.net
[07:10] <mwhudson> don't know the answer to the second question though
[07:10] <iwj> Oh, so it is.
[07:10] <iwj> Duh.
[07:11] <iwj> I've become so used to everything in LP being at the edges that I don't look at the middles of pages any more.
[07:14] <mwhudson> i don't think there is a way to affect milestones from email
[07:14] <iwj> Hmm.
[07:15] <iwj> I see the email interface doc talks about `importance' which is `priority' nowadays.
[07:16] <mwhudson> i'm not reading the doc, i'm reading the source :)
[07:16] <iwj> *snort*
[07:16] <iwj> So is it `importance' or `priority' ? :-)
[07:16] <mwhudson> importance
[07:16] <mwhudson> if you try to use priority it looks like you'll get a message telling you to use importance instead
[07:19] <mwhudson> iwj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/54389
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54389 in malone "Implement a milestone command in the email interface" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:20] <iwj> Ah.
[07:22] <mwhudson> it seems like the sort of bug that will get implemented if people clamour for it
[07:22] <mwhudson> i doubt it's very hard (speaking as someone looking at this code for the very first time)
[07:33] <Amaranth> did the PPA builders crash or something?
[07:34] <Amaranth> some of my uploads have been in the queue for 22 hours now
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #133897 in launchpad "There is 1 error." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133897
[08:48] <zul> uh this looks weird https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gobby
[09:03] <mdke> SteveA: around?
[09:18] <cprov> zul: Hi, it's a known problem (if it helps), I've just filled a specific bug to get it fixed during the next cycle (https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/133908)
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133908 in soyuz "Distroseries package pages are confusing (and broken)" [Low,Confirmed]
[09:19] <zul> cprov: thanks
[09:20] <cprov> zul: have I covered all your points in the bug description ?
[09:21] <zul> yep
[09:24] <SteveA> mdke: yep, will be for a couple of hours
[09:25] <Amaranth> cprov: is there something wrong with the PPA system?
[09:25] <Amaranth> also, the 'Priority: Optional' bug apparently wasn't fixed
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #133908 in soyuz "Distroseries package pages are confusing (and broken)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133908
[09:26] <Amaranth> was hoping i'd just need to upload a new package to get it fixed but i can't do that because they won't build
[09:26] <cprov> Amaranth: some cycles are being skipped to test the new release features
[09:27] <cprov> Amaranth: do you have any package in queue ?
[09:27] <Amaranth> lots of them :)
[09:27] <Amaranth> was updating my compiz 'backport'
[09:28] <Amaranth> and some of them have to wait for others to build before they'll work
[09:28] <cprov> Amaranth: uhm, the queue is empty.
[09:28] <Amaranth> eep
[09:29] <cprov> Amaranth: builders are running normally
[09:29] <cprov> Amaranth: let me check your archive
[09:30] <Amaranth> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~amaranth/+archive/+build/350727
[09:33] <cprov> Amaranth: are you sure your archive indexes are not being cached (launchpad@mawson:/srv/launchpad.net/ppa/amaranth/ubuntu/dists$ grep 'Priority: Optional' -r * -> returns nothing)
[09:36] <cprov> Amaranth: builders are just *busy*  (specially the i386) with the language-pack tsunami. Catching up on other packages, https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium/+history
[09:36] <Amaranth> cprov: i don't actually use my repo but the users of it tell me they still get constant upgrade announcements for compiz-core
[09:38] <Amaranth> cprov: wow, all of those builds are missing debhelper or cdbs
[09:40] <cprov> Amaranth: that's due to the tests we are doing.  Don't worry, the world is not falling apart (not yet)
[09:40] <kiko> heh
[09:44] <cprov> Amaranth: look who has showed up -> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium/
[09:44] <Amaranth> wow so apparently 1105 isn't my position in the queue :)
[09:47] <cprov> Amaranth: aha, no, that's the "build score", it's like "priority".
[09:48] <Amaranth> so it's a meaningless number? :)
[09:49] <cprov> Amaranth: no, highest score will be processed/built first (as I said, free-running priority level)
[09:49] <Amaranth> ah, so that's why the number went up as i waited
[09:51] <cprov> Amaranth: yes, exactly, it gets increased by being waiting in queue for a long time (this way we ensure the old jobs will get processed even in a very busy period)
[09:54] <Amaranth> so what is needed on the client side to fix the Optional thing?
[09:54] <Amaranth> delete /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin?
[09:55] <cprov> Amaranth: refresh the indexes (u-m does it automatically as they have changed remotely, AFAIK)
[09:55] <Amaranth> just apt-get update?
[09:56] <cprov> Amaranth: yup (but that's what u-m does every morning, anyway)
[09:57] <Amaranth> then that's not fixing it
[09:57] <Amaranth> hrm
[09:57] <Amaranth> maybe this upload of compiz will fix it
[09:57] <Amaranth> because the index will have never had that bug for the new version
[09:58] <cprov> Amaranth: the index doesn't have this problem right now. What is the package/suite ?
[09:58] <Amaranth> it's the compiz source package, compiz-core binary
[09:58] <cprov> http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:59] <Amaranth> definitely fixed there :)
[09:59] <cprov> Amaranth:
[09:59] <cprov> ...
[09:59] <cprov> Package: compiz-core
[09:59] <cprov> Priority: optional
[09:59] <cprov> ...
[09:59] <cprov> Amaranth: yup
[10:02] <Amaranth> this is really confusing
[10:02] <Amaranth> not even getting rid of the cache fixed it :/
[10:07] <MFen> is there any way to add more rich formatting to my project's "details" page?
[10:08] <MFen> the only thing i can get out of it is that feature that changes urls to links, which is nice
[10:08] <MFen> but i'd like bulleted lists and em/strong and stuff.
[10:13] <kiko> not right now, but it's planned
[10:13] <kiko> we want to have a markup for those fields, indeed
[10:16] <cprov> Amaranth: maybe asking for help in #ubuntu-devel ?
[10:43] <LaserJock> Rinchen: ping
[10:43] <Rinchen> LaserJock, pong
[10:45] <LaserJock> is there a way to see all the projects in the launchpad project group?
[10:45] <kiko> LaserJock, launchpad.net/~launchpad-project ?
[10:46] <LaserJock> heh, nifty, that's an OOPS
[10:46] <kiko> oh, 404
[10:46] <kiko> LaserJock, launchpad.net/launchpad-project ?
[10:47] <LaserJock> yep, sorry, I should have translated ;-)
[10:47] <LaserJock> ok, cool, that does have the list
[10:47] <LaserJock> I'm trying to look over milestones but there's so many LP projects I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
[10:52] <LaserJock> does the "Deleting branches basics" spec mean we *can* delete branches? or does further work need to be done for it to actually work
[10:54] <effie_jayx> LaserJock,  you mentioned a classmate PC earlier?
[10:55] <Rinchen> launchpad-suite
[10:55] <Rinchen> LaserJock, ^^
[10:55] <BjornT> LaserJock: it will be possible to delete branches (that have no subscribers)
[10:56] <LaserJock> BjornT: cool
[10:56] <MFen> kiko: thanks for responding, didn't see it until now. :)
[10:59] <BjornT> LaserJock: btw, if you want to look at lp milestones, you could look at https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestones. that includes the specs/bugs from all lp projects
[10:59] <MFen> another thing that would be *really* nice is the ability to use that Code tab for something besides bzr branches
[11:00] <MFen> i mean, i understand you don't want to support every vcs under the sun, but i'd like to be able to just add some basic info there about where to get my vcs and the source code of the stuff
[11:01] <LaserJock> BjornT: excellent, thanks
[11:05] <LaserJock> is there a spec for PPA? I don't see one for the 1.1.8 milestone
[11:06] <LaserJock> also, has any "help" actually been written for that help tab on the left side? every time I open it it says no help is available :-)
[11:06] <kiko> MFen, you're welcome
[11:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you don't need help :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hehe, I know otherwise
[11:07] <LaserJock> serious help