[12:05] <topyli> swuboo: probably not :)
[12:06] <MrMist> swuboo: I haven't done anything to create that shortcut, that's for sure
[12:06] <topyli> maybe MrMist's keyboard layout has been misidentified or something
[12:06] <swuboo> topyli:  I should hope not.  That's like setting up the light switch by the door in your bathroom to start your car.
[12:07] <MrMist> topyli: Hmm... Log Out is set tu "ctrl+alt+delete"
[12:07] <MrMist> to
[12:07] <topyli> swuboo: your trust in ubuntu developers' intelligence is touching
[12:08] <topyli> MrMist: disable it and bang away your numbers like nothing happened. then check what the keyboard preferences dialog thinks your keyboard is. if it's correct, file a bug
[12:08] <swuboo> topyli:  Warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it?
[12:08] <boritek> Spidla, are you here?
[12:10] <Spidla> right now
[12:11] <poni> If possible, could someone help me with a little thing? :) I'm trying to plug in a projector (ubuntu hardy) on a Dell latitude D820, though, it wont clone desktop. I've tried xrandr --output VGA-0 etc, and the built in Detect Displays and so on... What can I do?
[12:13] <poni> is there a way to fix this?
[12:16] <_4> Hay Leute wieso kann man sich hier nicht anmelden warte schon seid 2 wochen drauf
[12:16] <icesword> ???????english,english,man
[12:17] <swuboo> !de
[12:17] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:18] <swuboo> And there we are.
[12:24] <martalli> swuboo: Something about the people and lots of other words I don't know =)
[12:25] <martalli> Die Leute hier kann nur Englisch sprechen
[12:25] <martalli> "The people here can on speak English (I guess I should say write, but I don't remember the word ;-)
[12:25] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[12:26] <gregory> bullgard4: why you keep asking that?
[12:32] <swuboo> matalli:  I put it into google translator; it didn't come back much more sense to me even afterwards.
[12:32] <Spidla> boritek: any luck ?
[12:32] <boritek> Spidla, no luck, envy screwed my settings
[12:32] <boritek> screenresolution fell back to 640x480
[12:32] <boritek> so i uninstalled it
[12:34] <Spidla> yep ... I am sorry for this ..
[12:35] <Spidla> and uninstallation was ok ?
[12:36] <boritek> yeah, i installed back the normal fglrx driver from the repo
[12:36] <boritek> not its ok
[12:36] <boritek> as it was before
[12:36] <boritek> still no 3d of course
[12:37]  * Dr_willis rembers when a 2d accelerator card was a big deal
[12:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:38] <clusty> hey
[12:38] <boritek> and fglrx doesnt work now as well, but it resoulition is 1280*1024 again
[12:38] <clusty> i am having some trouble with a memory stick card. the card gets detected but no drive emerges
[12:38] <clusty> dmesg sais:  [  172.764579] tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[12:39] <Spidla> and do you have nay errors when you try to enable 3D ?
[12:39] <clusty> is the memory thick issue resolved in hardy?
[12:40] <boritek> Spidla, enable like how?
[12:40] <vistakiller> boritek what card you have?
[12:41] <boritek> ati
[12:41] <vistakiller> what kind?
[12:41] <boritek> Radeon 9600 SE
[12:41] <vistakiller> i better to use open driver with this card
[12:41] <boritek> vistakiller, the open driver doesnt work either
[12:42] <boritek> only mesa is working
[12:42] <vistakiller> i read many problem with hardy and to set the correct driver
[12:42] <boritek> but closed and open dirver worked fine in gutsy
[12:42] <vistakiller> i dont know why
[12:42] <vistakiller> open driver is better for your card
[12:42] <boritek> vistakiller, but open doesnt work either
[12:43] <vistakiller> have you try the programme graphics and screen or like that?
[12:43] <vistakiller> and choose the ati driver?
[12:43] <clusty> anyone tried playing with memory sticks?
[12:43] <vistakiller> is one month now with problems with drivers in hardy
[12:43] <boritek> what is the name of that program ?
[12:44] <vistakiller> screens and graphics i think
[12:44] <vistakiller> i have kubuntu
[12:44] <boritek> i have ubuntu
[12:44] <Spidla> boritek: I think if you have for example Composite enabled
[12:44] <boritek> do u know the command name from command line,
[12:44] <vistakiller> no find it in menu
[12:44] <boritek> Spidla, then its kind of freezing
[12:45] <boritek> i have to switch with ctrl-alt-f1 and metacitiy --replace
[12:45] <stephenrhall> clusty what about memory sticks?
[12:45] <vistakiller> try to install the open driver is the only way
[12:45] <boritek> vistakiller, everything is installed
[12:45] <boritek> but still isnt used
[12:45] <clusty> stephenrhall, i have a built in texas instruments cardreader in my laptop
[12:46] <boritek> coz jockey-gtk list is empty
[12:46] <Arelis> when is the release candidate released?
[12:46] <boritek> its the new restricted driver thing
[12:46] <vistakiller> wait for update to correct the problem
[12:46] <clusty> i stuck in a MMS card and the the device does not get created
[12:46] <Spidla> compiz requires Composite to be enabled :( thats why I need fglrx ... because radeon driver doesnt allow to do this
[12:46] <Spidla> radeon driver even doesnt support glx
[12:46] <stephenrhall> clusty sorry, done various stuff with usb sticks, but no experience of that card reader
[12:46] <vistakiller> Spidia what card you have?
[12:47] <clusty> stephenrhall, i found some stuff. driver is experimental
[12:47] <Spidla> its on my laptop ... ATI Radeon Xpress 1100
[12:47] <boritek> Spidla, it should enable this
[12:47] <clusty> will try an svn version
[12:47] <vistakiller> and the ati driver is not working?
[12:47] <boritek> hardy should support aiglx
[12:48] <Spidla> but radeon driver doesnt support direct rendering which is also neede for copiz
[12:48] <Spidla> compiz
[12:48] <boritek> Spidla, have you tried Composite 1 in xorg.conf?
[12:48] <Spidla> vistakiller : ati driver is hanging my system .. sometimes
[12:48] <Arelis> April 17th - ReleaseCandidate,LanguagePackTranslationDeadline <-- is this right?
[12:48] <Spidla> you mean with radeon driver ?
[12:48] <boritek> yeah
[12:49] <Spidla> i dont think that radeon driver has this option
[12:50] <Spidla> because with radeon when i try to enable compiz .. it says "desktop effects could not be enabled" ... ant when I tried fglrx (in the times when my pc wasnt haniging) wthout Composite .. it said sometinhg like "You need to enable Composite"
[12:51] <Arelis> Guys? When is the release candidate going to be released?
[12:51] <Spidla> Arelis : what release do you mean ?
[12:51] <Spidla> Arelis : Hardy ?
[12:51] <Arelis> yes
[12:51] <Spidla> in 8 days
[12:51] <boritek> Spidla, yes, exactly and that is how you can enable it
[12:51] <Arelis> the release candidate is 17 april right?
[12:51] <boritek> in your xorg.conf
[12:52] <Spidla> ok i will try
[12:52] <boritek> but look after the exact phrase
[12:52] <boritek> should be 3 lines
[12:52] <Arelis> !releasecandidate
[12:53] <Arelis> boritek: when will the "Release Candidate" be released? (Hardy)
[12:53] <gregory> !hardy | Arelis
[12:53] <ubotu> Arelis: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[12:53] <topyli> Arelis: tomorrow, as you can easily find out on the web
[12:53] <boritek> i dont know what RC meain in hardy, but the final hardy is out on 27th of april
[12:54] <boritek> oh 24th
[12:54] <Arelis> topyli: thanks. I wanted to be sure.
[12:54] <topyli> Arelis: good thinking. obviously i know better
[12:54] <boritek> couple of days yet
[12:54] <Arelis> and the Release Candidate is safe to install on Production Machines?
[12:54] <topyli> no
[12:55] <Arelis> but it's a 1-week pre-release
[12:55] <topyli> indeed
[12:55] <Dr_willis> If you want to produce bug reports.. :)
[12:55] <Arelis> "Production-quality"
[12:55] <swuboo> No, it isn't.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> I would not be suprised if the release is delayed.
[12:55] <Arelis> I quote, from a website found on google, 'The release candidate is a production-quality pre-release one week before the final release.'
[12:55] <swuboo> It's a Release *Candidate*---in other words, everything *should* be ready to go, but they're not ready to declare it ready.
[12:55] <topyli> Arelis: that's 7 days to break hardy
[12:56] <Arelis> *production-quality*
[12:56] <topyli> Arelis: no
[12:56] <swuboo> Arelis:  Yes, a website you found on google said that.  Ubuntu's website says that it's a beta and should not be installed on production machines.
[12:56] <gregory> Dr_willis: does ubuntu have a delayed release history ?
[12:56] <Pici> Arelis: Why would we even have a release candidate if it was ready for production? Why not just call it a release?
[12:56] <swuboo> You can always do as you like---but if your production machine breaks, make sure to blame the website you read, and not Ubuntu.
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Its happened a few times in the past.
[12:57] <topyli> gregory: dapper was delayed by 2 months
[12:57] <gregory> ic thank you all
[12:57] <Dr_willis> With a LTS release.. its best if its delayed,, then be rished
[12:57] <Arelis> Pici: You have a point...
[12:57] <Arelis> Right now i have the Ubuntu Hardy Beta CD lying in front of me but i think that's still too risky
[12:58] <Pici> So wait a few days ;)
[12:58] <orvokki> Dr_willis: Yeah, let's delay Hardy till July so we can get FF3 final for it, mk?
[12:58] <swuboo> Arelis:  It won't be much less risky tomorrow.
[12:58] <Dr_willis> orvokki,  wouldent bother me at all.
[12:58] <Arelis> Release Candidate will be less risky
[12:58] <swuboo> Arelis:  Because the name changed?  It's still a Beta, and it's still only 24 hours' difference.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed that my printer keeps gettting lost every time i reboot. and i can burn one cd/dvd - and then the cd burner gets 'lost' some how.
[12:59] <Arelis> According to that website, Release Candidate is the second-last stage. Everything has been frozen, (including bugfixes?), and the only thing more on the schedule is the final release
[12:59] <Arelis> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-release-dates.html
[13:00] <swuboo> Arelis:  Yes, that's quite true.  But the reason there's a release candidate, and not just a release... is because they're not ready to declare it safe yet.
[13:00] <Arelis> Also, it is released one week before the final release. After the beta, it had been tested and developed upon, so why wouldn't it be less risky?
[13:00] <Arelis> i'm not saying it's risk-free
[13:00] <Arelis> just less risky
[13:01] <topyli> Arelis: hardy bugs won't be magically all fixed at midnight tomorrow
[13:01] <swuboo> Precisely.
[13:01] <Arelis> The beta got released about a week ago. They had a whole week of time to fix some stuff
[13:02] <topyli> Arelis: and they have
[13:02] <swuboo> Yes---this should theoretically be pretty much what the final release will be... IF everything goes right.
[13:02] <Arelis> So then it's less risky, right?
[13:02] <topyli> heh
[13:02] <swuboo> Or more risky.  Sometimes stuff gets unfixed.
[13:02] <Arelis> you have a point :)
[13:03] <swuboo> It's ultimately your decision---no one's going to block you from the repositories for your own good.
[13:03] <Arelis> topyli: by the way, are you running Hardy?
[13:05] <topyli> Arelis: yes
[13:06] <swuboo> Arelis, to give you an idea--- at the beginning of this conversation, I downloaded 28 patches.  Just a moment ago, I checked update-manager, and downloaded four more.
[13:06] <Arelis> swuboo: and did stuff break in a week time?
[13:06] <Arelis> topyli: what's it like? I only tested out the beta livecd (for a short time), how's the "newest" version?
[13:06] <swuboo> Arelis:  Oh yes, plenty of people have been coming in here with things that have suddenly broken on their machines.
[13:07] <topyli> Arelis: i like the new gnome. bluetooth works a bit better. the default desktop background is nice. there's no working web browser
[13:07] <Dr_willis> A short list for me. CD burning, Printing, samba,
[13:08] <topyli> well, firefox works but nothing likes it enough to support it (deskbar, gnome-do). epiphany is broken for real
[13:08] <gopodge> topyli : Have you been to Youtube?
[13:08] <Arelis> oh, so when i go onto the Hardy route, stuff WILL stop to work at moments where it's not very handu?
[13:08]  * Dr_willis wonders what dosent support firefox..
[13:08] <Arelis> handy*
[13:09] <a_l_e> topyli, gribelu: i could connect the bluetooth keyboard... following a fedora howto pasted in an ubuntu forum...
[13:09] <topyli> gopodge: yes, works fine
[13:09] <topyli> a_l_e: cool
[13:09] <swuboo> Arelis:  Not necessarily; but it's probably safer to wait until the final release, at least for a production machine.
[13:09] <Dr_willis> the only issue/oddity ive seen with firefox lately is the 'checkbox' on some web site forms.. dosent get drawn right.
[13:10] <topyli> Dr_willis: deskbar doesn't accept it as "firefox", gnome-do doesn't see its bookmarks although it claims to support ff3
[13:10] <gopodge> topyli : My firefox would crash when moving between flash videos. Common problem that is logged at the moment. Had to remove libflashsupport for it to work.
[13:10] <Arelis> Okay. let me list the reasons for the upgrade: 1. Stabler kernel, and newer kernel. 2. Better ATI drivers (with Composite support, too). 3. My tablet gets supported in that newest kernel. <-- Some of my reasons./
[13:10] <topyli> Dr_willis: firefox itself works just great
[13:10] <Dr_willis> I dont use gnome. :) so ive never noticed.
[13:10] <swuboo> Arelis:  Those are all good reasons.
[13:10] <Oli``> Is firebug working properly for people after the firefox+XUL updates today?
[13:10] <topyli> gopodge: oh yes, that happens, not only youtube but everywhere with flash video
[13:11] <Dr_willis> flash is gettting to be a bigger and bigger problem every week it seems
[13:11] <topyli> gopodge: thanks for the libflashsupport hint
[13:11] <Arelis> swuboo: But wouldn't a rolling release system be better for me? (A distribution that constantly upgrades it's packages, so you always have the newest. Problem is it's probably TOO new)
[13:12] <gopodge> topyli : I didn't remove the package.. just the lib from /usr/lib .. it is a temporary workaround of course!
[13:12] <Spidla> boritek ?
[13:12] <boritek> yeah?
[13:12] <swuboo> Arelis:  I tend to think of Ubuntu AS rolling.  Every six months or so there's a new release, after all.
[13:12] <topyli> gopodge: what happens when you remove it? flash tries to play straight through alsa?
[13:12] <Spidla> I uninstalled all fglrx stuf ... installed only radeon driver
[13:13] <Spidla> compiz said something like "Xgl not present ... detected radeon driver"
[13:13] <Spidla> then i installed xserver-xgl
[13:13] <topyli> Arelis: try foresight then. they handle rolling releases very well
[13:13] <Spidla> compiz is now working...
[13:13] <mheath> Arelis: Thats what Universe and Backports are for. Enable those and you have the best of both worlds.
[13:13] <Spidla> but it is damn slow
[13:13] <gopodge> topyli : The people on launchpad seem to suggest it is an unnecessary dependency. If only they released the code for flash. Then it would work properly! :)
[13:13] <Spidla> because direct rendering is not supported now
[13:13] <Arelis> mheath: That sounds interesting. Including a new kernel and ATI driver? (two main things I need.)
[13:14] <boritek> Spidla, yeah, xgl isnt supported with ati yet
[13:14] <mheath> erm, no, unfortunately not. The ubuntu policy on kernel updates is a bit odd.
[13:14] <gopodge> I also had issues with Nvidia hardware drivers. X was completely broken until I ran the nvidia-config tool.
[13:14] <topyli> gopodge: oh okay, you can't remove the package. i'll try your "fix"
[13:14] <Spidla> so ...  problem prevails
[13:15] <Arelis> mheath: and the ATI drivers, then?
[13:15] <mheath> Arelis: Nope. Generally they have to be released with a kernel update.
[13:15] <mheath> Arelis: Keep in mind, there WILL be a few periodic updates for Hardy
[13:15] <mheath> Arelis: They release update packs for the LTS releases in which new kernels are allowed
[13:15] <boritek> i might try xgl too
[13:15] <Spidla> boritek : damn i would like to now whats wrong ... how it is possible that sometimes fglrx works and sometimes not .... there must be some kind of debug log
[13:16] <boritek> coz nothing work on my pc
[13:16] <mheath> Arelis: Hardy is supported for a few years, and during that time they will release a few kernel updates for it.
[13:16] <boritek> your x log should say something
[13:16] <Arelis> mheath: alright.
[13:16] <mheath> Arelis: This is no different than any other distro.
[13:16] <Spidla> it says nothing
[13:16] <Arelis> mheath: I've installed the new ATI drivers on my ubuntu system once, and ended up reinstalling. Not a good idea.
[13:16] <mheath> Arelis: And better than many
[13:17] <Spidla> everything is fine and suddenly my system is freezed
[13:17] <mheath> Arelis: The only exception is a few distros that make you do everything from scratch
[13:17] <Spidla> with no error
[13:17] <Arelis> mheath: and to get tablet support i have to do some kernel hackery (compile a module)
[13:18] <gopodge> topyli : Trying to find the launchpad report on it.
[13:18] <mheath> Arelis: Its possible, with a little work, to create an automatic system that will compile a new kernel for you with all the patches, make it into a .deb package, and cleanly install it for you.
[13:18] <boritek> Spidla, shall i reboot after xgl installed?
[13:19] <Spidla> no its only another xserver
[13:19] <Spidla> no new modules
[13:19] <boritek> and how can i use that?
[13:19] <bazhang> breetai you around? the powersaver bug seems to have been fixed with todays update
[13:19] <gopodge> topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/192888
[13:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[13:20] <Spidla> just install package xserver-xgl ... and restart xserver
[13:20] <boritek> k
[13:20] <Spidla> then you can look into glxinfo
[13:20] <Spidla> there should be something like MESA GLX Indirect
[13:20] <Arelis> mheath: wait - i may take ANY version of Ubuntu and modify the version of it's parts to the version I want?
[13:21] <Spidla> and that i8s my problem i need direct rendering
[13:21] <mheath> Arelis: Of course. It takes a bit of knowledge - though thats easy to acquire - but you're free to compile and install any version of any piece of software you want.
[13:21] <boritek> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[13:21] <boritek> it is so already now too
[13:22] <Arelis> mheath: But is Ubuntu really the right distro to do such things on?
[13:22] <Lamego> Arelis, just as much as any other distro
[13:22] <mheath> Arelis: Its no worse than any others.
[13:22] <Arelis> because that would turn my system into a gentoo-like one
[13:22] <boritek> be right back
[13:23] <mheath> Arelis: Some people will try to tell you that Gentoo is better for that reason because it makes you compile EVERYTHING on your system, from the ground up
[13:23] <mheath> Arelis: But even GEntoo restricts you to (possibly oudated) versions, as it just uses scripts that tell it how to compile it, and those scripts are bound to particular versions
[13:24] <orvokki> mheath: Actually the best thing about it is that you can easily choose which libraries you want to link with.
[13:24] <orvokki> Otherwise you have to do tons of ./configure --with-foo --with-bar --with-baz.
[13:25] <orvokki> Gentoo make that part quite a lot simpler.
[13:25] <orvokki> s/make/makes/
[13:25] <Arelis> but, mheath, when i go that far, i would actually be replacing Ubuntu with my own choices, and vanilla desktop environments and newer kernels. It wouldn't be ubuntu anymore.
[13:26] <mheath> So, whats wrong with that? :-)
[13:26] <orvokki> It's Ubuntu imo unless you replace the whole apt dependency tree.
[13:26] <mheath> The regular warnings apply, of course
[13:26] <mheath> You start tinkering and you may break things, things that other people won't know about and can't be officially supported.
[13:27] <orvokki> With kernels it's not usually as bad though.
[13:27] <orvokki> Since you can always leave the working kernel in /boot.
[13:28] <orvokki> Would be much more serious if you decided like "Hey, I think I want a newer version of GNU libc".
[13:28] <orvokki> And installed that replacing the old one. ^^
[13:29] <Arelis> well, if i may customize, i would choose: 1. new kernel, 2. vanilla KDE (Kubuntu's one crashes alot on my pc), 3. new ATI drivers <-- But those things are regarded as very risky on ubuntu
[13:29] <Arelis> (especially the ATI drivers one - i had to reinstall)
[13:29] <mheath> orvokki: Thats not hard to do, if you know what you're doing.
[13:29] <mheath> orvokki: Debian package builder utilities can do  that for you almost automatically, if you do it right.
[13:29] <orvokki> mheath: Well, true but it's harder to go back from broken GNU libc than from a broken kernel.
[13:30] <mheath> No, it's not.
[13:30] <topyli> gopodge: ok, going to try the nspluginwrapper
[13:30] <mheath> If you do it right, the new one gives you a .deb
[13:30] <orvokki> Hmm.
[13:30] <mheath> If you want the old one back, just go into synaptic, and 'Force Version' back to the official ubuntu one.
[13:30] <orvokki> mheath: What if the system won't boot anymore after libc install?
[13:30] <Arelis> So are there people who run Ubuntu.... 2.10 or something low like that but are actually running the newest?
[13:31] <Arelis> but do i really have to compile for that?
[13:31] <swuboo> Arelis:  What version of Ubuntu one is running is really a question of what repositories one is drawing from.
[13:31] <mheath> orvokki: Then you've broken your system. Thats not 'because its ubuntu' or 'because it's difficult', it's 'because you failed'.
[13:31] <orvokki> Yups.
[13:31] <mheath> orvokki: you could still boot using the livecd and fix your libc.
[13:32] <boritek> Spidla, now compiz works
[13:32] <boritek> but still no 3d
[13:32] <orvokki> mheath: But still, even if you manage to make a borked kernel that won't boot, you usually have the old kernel in grub boot menu. :)
[13:32] <boritek> i cant run 3d games
[13:32] <Spidla> what config ? xserver-xgl ?
[13:32] <boritek> You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[13:32] <boritek>  Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1
[13:32] <boritek>  If this is intentional, add
[13:32] <boritek>        "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1"
[13:32] <boritek>  to the command line when starting the game.
[13:32] <boritek> xgl
[13:32] <Arelis> boritek: DISPLAY=:0 nameofgame
[13:33] <Arelis> do that in a terminal
[13:33] <boritek> ah ok, i'll try that
[13:33] <Spidla> boritek : xserver-xgl uses indirect rendering
[13:33] <Spidla> so no games
[13:33] <Arelis> Spidla: with the DISPLAY=:0 trick you get games
[13:33] <Spidla> really ?
[13:34] <Spidla> thast good .. but xserver-xgl is too slow for me
[13:34] <orvokki> (Indirect rendering)--
[13:35] <Arelis> swuboo: do i really have to compile things to get that?
[13:36] <orvokki> Spidla: Which display adapter card is it?
[13:36] <Spidla> Radeon Xpress 1100
[13:36] <boritek> woohoo
[13:36] <orvokki> Have you tried the proprietary driver?
[13:37] <swuboo> Arelis:  To get what?  Ubuntu 2.10?
[13:37] <boritek> it works now
[13:37] <orvokki> (Not recommended but is usually faster if works)
[13:37] <Arelis> swuboo: to get the newest software
[13:37] <Spidla> propietary driver worked flawlessly for me .. unless i downloaded some updates for this driver from ubuntu hardy repos
[13:38] <boritek> Spidla, with DISPLAY=:0 it is working
[13:38] <boritek> and with good speed
[13:38] <boritek> i checked only one game though
[13:38] <boritek> utban terror
[13:38] <boritek> urban
[13:38] <Arelis> boritek: when you put that in an icon on the desktop or in the menu you have to put env in front of it. so "env DISPLAY=:0 urbanterror"
[13:38] <boritek> and also with compiz at the same time running...!!
[13:39] <swuboo> Arelis:  The very, very newest?  Generally, yeah.  But who needs software *that* new?
[13:39] <Arelis> swuboo: The newest GNOME, newest kernel, newest ATI drivers
[13:39] <boritek> Arelis, ok, ty
[13:39] <Arelis> boritek: np
[13:39] <Spidla> :( my problem is still here
[13:39] <ivob> Hi!
[13:40] <ivob> So. I'm net-installing ubuntu 8.04 server edition amd64 image. Process fails at "Downloading installer components" ... No kernel modules found.
[13:40] <Pici> Arelis: The newest software likely has new bugs as well.
[13:40] <boritek> i think this xgl will be much better thing than AIGLX
[13:40] <ivob> Any mirrors around that have kernels that match 8.04?
[13:40] <swuboo> Pici:  The newest bugs, one might even say.
[13:40] <ivob> I assume that's the problem.
[13:41] <D3> I need help with Compiz, If I try to enable any desktop effects, it says "Desktop effects could not be enable"
[13:41] <boritek> Spidla, have you tried DISPLAY thing?
[13:42] <Spidla> but you used DISPLAY to get games working dont you ?
[13:42] <boritek> Spidla, yeah
[13:42] <Arelis> Pici: I want the newest kernel because it has support for my tablet. I want the newest ATI drivers because it has support for compiz and is faster with my videocard, and forget the "I want the newest GNOME", i would like KDE
[13:42] <ivob> by net-installing I ment PXE install with kernel and initrd images booted. Images from: ubuntu-8.04-server/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[13:42] <Spidla> but my problem is compiz
[13:42] <Spidla> not games
[13:42] <Arelis> Pici: not the newest of the newest. The ones who have that.
[13:42] <boritek> Spidla, games are running?
[13:42] <Spidla> i dont have any on my laptop
[13:43] <ivob> Install process is suggesting booting with another kernel/ different version of ubuntu.
[13:43] <boritek> download one
[13:43] <time2code> what is the command line syntax to do a dist-upgrade
[13:43] <boritek> compiz is the smallest problem for me
[13:43] <ivob> But I specifically want this one since I suspect my NIC modules are in it.
[13:43] <boritek> coz its unstable anyway
[13:43] <ToxinPowe> time2code, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:43] <D3> I went into /usr/bin/ and ran Compiz in the terminal, and it says "Checking for Xgl: not present.
[13:43] <D3> Found laptop using ati driver.
[13:43] <D3> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity "
[13:43] <Spidla> but i want 3d accel because of compiz ... I like that :)
[13:43] <boritek> and till DRI2 you cant use that with other 3d applications or games
[13:43] <D3> Is there any way to get around that?
[13:44] <boritek> except this xgl thing
[13:44] <Spidla> I gues the only way for me is to get fglrx working
[13:44] <Pici> D3: Have you tried enabling the restricted drivers?
[13:44] <Pici> There should no longer be a need for xserver-xgl anymore.
[13:44] <D3> Pici, how do I do that?
[13:45] <boritek> Spidla, i used xgl around feisty too
[13:45] <Arelis> swuboo: so do you know how i get the newest kernel, the newest ATI drivers, and KDE?
[13:45] <Pici> D3: System>Administration>Restricted Drivers Manager
[13:45] <boritek> i just forgot this display
[13:45] <Spidla> yeah I used xgl in feisty too
[13:45] <boritek> and that time there wasnt a normal solution for even compiz
[13:45] <boritek> but with xgl i could try that
[13:45] <D3> Pici, I don't have a "Restricted Drivers Manager" option.
[13:46] <boritek> so you have to keep an eye on xgl
[13:46] <Arelis> ////
[13:46] <Pici> D3: Hardware something? I dont have a hardy system here to check against.
[13:46] <boritek> hardy should support aiglx in hardy, it still doesnt work
[13:46] <Pici> boritek: It does, and it works fine on my x1400.
[13:47] <D3> System>Administration>Hardware Drivers?
[13:47] <boritek> Pici, you have gutsy right?
[13:47] <Pici> D3: Thats it.
[13:47] <D3> There are no listings in there
[13:47] <Pici> boritek: No, I have Hardy on this computer (which I'm sshed into) and another Gutsy workstation locally.
[13:47] <boritek> it worked on gutsy, but no longer in hardy on my pc
[13:48] <Pici> boritek: aiglx? what card do you have?
[13:48] <boritek> it just doesnt use the open and cloese ati drivers
[13:48] <boritek> ATI9600 SE
[13:48] <boritek> the restricted driver list (new name: jockey-gtk) is empty
[13:49] <Pici> I could be wrong, but I think that the ATIs closed drivers no longer support that card. But it doesnt work properly enough for compiz to be enabled. I'd try to use the blacklist workaround.
[13:49] <boritek> but now that i have installed xgl and swithed on compiz it asked me to use ati driver
[13:50] <swuboo> Arelis:  No, I don't.  If Hardy has the versions you need, then by all means, upgrade.
[13:50] <swuboo> Arelis:  Just remember that even if it's a Release Candidate, it's not a Release, and there's a reason.
[13:50] <boritek> Pici, you are wrong
[13:50] <boritek> its not that old
[13:50] <boritek> and it worked cool in gutsy
[13:50] <Spidla> jesus
[13:50] <Pici> boritek: Do you happen to know what chipset is in that?
[13:51] <Spidla> i dont know how but its working
[13:51] <boritek> :)
[13:51] <Spidla> fglrx
[13:51] <Spidla> i mean
[13:51] <boritek> chipset in what?
[13:51] <Pici> boritek: your ati card
[13:51] <boritek> i dont know
[13:51] <boritek> how can i check that?
[13:51] <boritek> what happened that it works?
[13:52] <Spidla> fglrx is working with eveything ...
[13:52] <Spidla> i dont know
[13:52] <boritek> lol
[13:52] <Spidla> I uninstalled everything
[13:52] <Spidla> an dinstalled fglrx
[13:52] <D3> Pici, my GFX card is built-in to my motherboard
[13:52] <Spidla> i will try few restarts
[13:52] <Spidla> maybe its just temporary luck :)
[13:52] <boritek> hmmm. i tired reinstalling thing which didnt work, maybe its not the same as uninstalling and instaling again?
[13:53] <boritek> Spidla, plz list every package exactly that u uninstalled!
[13:53] <Spidla> it is big difference between reinstalling and remove/purge/install
[13:53] <Pici> boritek: Hrmm looks like the conversation I was looking for is in my archived logs, which I can't get to right now.
[13:53] <boritek> Spidla, have you purged them?
[13:53] <Spidla> hey second reboot without problems yeaaaah
[13:53] <Spidla> yes
[13:54] <boritek> hhehe lol
[13:54] <boritek> cool
[13:55] <boritek> Spidla, plz list each package
[13:55] <boritek> and tell if it was a purge or just a simple remove
[13:55] <Spidla> i purged everything connected with fglrx and glx
[13:55] <Spidla> I mean
[13:55] <Spidla> xorg-driver-fglrx
[13:56] <Spidla> flgrx-amdccle or something
[13:56] <Spidla> there was also something like fglrx-kernel-source
[13:56] <Spidla> then i ran .... aticonfig --initial -f
[13:57] <Spidla> fuck
[13:57] <Pici> Please watch the language here.
[13:57] <Spidla> noooooo
[13:57] <Spidla> sorry
[13:57] <boritek> what happened?
[13:57] <Spidla> its stucked again ..after third reboot
[13:57] <boritek> :(
[13:57] <Spidla> i acnt understand it
[13:58] <Spidla> cant
[13:58] <ivob> I'm asking again ... why does install fail at "Download installer components", specifically it ends with: "No kernel modules found...."
[13:58] <ivob> Mismatch between kernel versions...
[13:58] <boritek> i might try uninstall xgl, coz finally i have closed driver in my jockey-gtk
[13:58] <ompaul> ivob, is there a working base system or are you upgrading?
[13:59] <Spidla> i am getting really annoyed
[13:59] <ivob> ompaul: fresh install
[13:59] <boritek> yeah, its damn annoying
[13:59] <ompaul> ivob, when did you download the cd
[13:59] <Spidla> another reboot .. not working
[14:00] <ivob> ompaul: I'm installing with PXE method.
[14:00] <ivob> ompaul: copied kernel + initrd from CD image
[14:00] <ivob> ompaul:  Images from: ubuntu-8.04-server/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[14:00] <ivob> linux, initrd.gz
[14:01] <Spidla> i dont know what to do now
[14:01] <D3> about my problem....
[14:01] <ompaul> ivob, then I have no information for you - but would guess you might have a different version to the booting system
[14:01] <bullgard4> Spidla: Please do not replace interpunction with the Enter key.
[14:01] <ompaul> !install | ivob (perhaps you can check your method against some of them here)
[14:01] <ubotu> ivob (perhaps you can check your method against some of them here): Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[14:02] <boritek> rebooting, brb
[14:02] <ivob> I assume problem is with mirrors. They just aren't "synced" to 8.04.
[14:03] <ivob> Or perhaps installer is seraching in wrong places.
[14:03] <ompaul> there are different cds every day
[14:03] <ompaul> so you got to factor that in
[14:03] <Spidla> boritek: After several reboots I see one thing ... in the Xorg.log I see that Xserver stops after line drmOpenByBusID
[14:04] <Pici> Yes, daily isos dont get the same level of testing as milestone releases do.
[14:04] <ivob> ompaul: so what happens after release? Freeze?
[14:04] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[14:04] <D3> does anybody have any ideas on how to get Compiz to work on my Compaq Presario 2500? (Intel Pentium 4 processor, GFX card is built in to motherboard)
[14:04] <Spidla> boritek : hey thats the line before loading AIGLX
[14:04] <ivob> Pici: I see. So when it's officially out, I can assume this will be fixed/synced.
[14:05] <ivob> I just hate burning CD medias. I prefer PXE install.
[14:05] <ompaul> ivob, kind of that is
[14:06] <ompaul> ivob, you get a version of the distro which may be revised over the following couple of years with .1 and .2 when a serious amount of patches have been issued
[14:06] <ivob> well then It's buh bye ubuntu. Since my HW is to new for 7.10
[14:06] <ompaul> ivob, well if you don't do CDs that is your call
[14:07] <ivob> I guess so.
[14:07] <ompaul> ivob, release you get sec packages generally going forward
[14:07] <ivob> bye
[14:07] <ompaul> have a nice day
[14:09] <D3> still no help then?
[14:10] <boritek> Spidla, YESSSS !!!!!!
[14:10] <boritek> Thats the way
[14:10] <boritek> its working as earlier!
[14:10] <Spidla> ?
[14:11] <bullgard4> I have got a file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2. Where should I decompress it?
[14:11] <boritek> God bless XGL!
[14:11] <Lamego> bullgard4, on the same place, usr/sr
[14:11] <Lamego> src
[14:12] <boritek> Spidla, The solution was this in my case: after installing XGL
[14:12] <boritek> i switched on Compiz which asked me to enable the closed driver!
[14:13] <Spidla> and ?
[14:13] <boritek> which was unreachable with the restriceted driver manager (jockey-gtk)
[14:13] <boritek> before
[14:13] <boritek> so I enabled it
[14:13] <boritek> and then i had to reboot
[14:13] <boritek> and then i had the driver in jockey
[14:13] <Spidla> wow ...
[14:13] <boritek> and then i uninstalled xgl
[14:13] <boritek> and swithed off compiz
[14:14] <boritek> and everthing is as before in gutsy...:D :D woohoo
[14:15] <boritek> i just switched off compiz so that i can use other 3d apps and games, but compiz works too!!
[14:15] <AaronMT> hi
[14:16] <Spidla> ok so I will switch to vesa driver.... then I will install xserver-xgl ... run compiz ... enable closed driver... uninstall xgl ... switch off compiz ?
[14:16] <boritek> Spidla, yeah try that
[14:16] <Spidla> ok :)
[14:16] <orvokki> Sounds somehow overkill. *shrug*
[14:17] <saga234> Could someone confirm if you move the bottom gnome panel to the side.. the text disapears? and changes to ...
[14:17] <boritek> orvokki, why? do u know any easier steps?
[14:18] <boritek> saga234, what if you enlarge the side-panel?
[14:18] <orvokki> Hum, can't tell for certain. That Compiz stuff just sounds overkill.
[14:19] <saga234> boritek: in the past it would have the text run vertical
[14:19] <orvokki> That is, starting and stopping it.
[14:19] <saga234> orvokki: increase the size of the panel does bring the text out but its running horizontal.
[14:19] <boritek> saga234, but anyway i think you are better off forgeting panels on side with task-swither
[14:20] <boritek> if you are trying to use that one
[14:20] <boritek> its pretty buggy
[14:20] <saga234> boritek: its the windows list.. the last gnome it ran fine.
[14:20] <saga234> and all my other boxes it works as expected.
[14:20] <boritek> earlier i was also playing to custumize my panels on the side but i gave up
[14:21] <Spidla> boritek: when I enable fglrx my system hangs :(
[14:21] <boritek> gnome-panel worked freaky and used up almost all my CPU
[14:21] <Spidla> nevermind ... I got to go
[14:21] <Spidla> boritek : I have been here in this IRC channel for the first time ... are you here boritek often ?
[14:21] <boritek> hmm, dunno why, ok, see you
[14:22] <boritek> i have been here for some days, right coz of this 3d problem
[14:22] <saga234> Is there a way in nautilus to open a terminal in the directory you are?
[14:22] <boritek> after hardy has been installed
[14:22] <v0lksman> Hey All!  If I put KERNEL=="tun", NAME="net/%k", GROUP="vboxusers", MODE="0660" into /etc/udev/rules.d/20-names.rule and restart udev any reason that the device gets created as crw------- root.root ?
[14:23] <bullgard4> Lamego: I have done as advised.
[14:23] <Spidla> ok :) ... maybe we will meet here again ... see ya ;)
[14:23] <boritek> see you
[14:23] <boritek> and good luck
[14:23] <Spidla> thx
[14:24] <D3> So no help then?
[14:27] <v0lksman> anyone?
[14:28] <MrMist> v0lksman: sorry... I have noe idea
[14:29] <Daenyth> Hi, I'm having some wireless issues. nm-applet isn't detecting any networks (on a fresh Hardy install). If I do iwlist wlan0 scan however, I can see many networks
[14:31] <Daenyth> Right now I'm rebooting into windows to make sure the NIC is enabled, although I don't think that's the issue
[14:31] <Daenyth> has anyone here seen anything like that?
[14:31] <x1250> Uhm, my videos look like crap, like if their quality was lower than it really is. They look a little pixelized. This doesn't happen on debian. Why would this happen?
[14:32] <Daenyth> windows is also connecting normally (winXP:MCE)
[14:32] <D3> anybody...?
[14:32] <Fritzel> I just installed the nvidia beta driver from the nvidia website and I don't know if it's just me or if it's really faster but it seems alot faster to me
[14:32] <Daenyth> Has anyone seen such issues with nm-applet?
[14:33] <Daenyth> I have an Intel/PRO wireless nic. It's a laptop
[14:33] <Pici> Daenyth: I had an issue the other day, but I wasn't able to re-create it.
[14:33] <x1250> Daenyth: whats the problem?
[14:34] <x1250> Ah, I read now
[14:34] <x1250> Uhm, yeah, I've experience that too
[14:34] <Fritzel> where is the configuration file that says which screenlets start at login? the myip screenlet is depressed, it can't stay away and insists that I don't love it anymore
[14:34] <x1250> only way to connect to a new network is rebooting or with wifi-radar
[14:35] <Daenyth> hmm
[14:35] <Daenyth> I also tried connecting manually, and was able to associate with iwconfig, but dhclient timed out without receiving a lease
[14:35] <mooboo1> hardy is on 8 days, please hurry up and fix the pink shadows & window decoration but in nvidia drivers package
[14:35] <Daenyth> is wifi-radar part of the default install?
[14:35] <Daenyth> I'm not too keen on using it, having done so before, but if it's the only way to connect...
[14:36] <x1250> Daenyth: IIRC, nope
[14:36] <Daenyth> would installing an older version of nm-applet work?
[14:36] <Daenyth> Can you point me to where I could DL it? This computer is Archlinux, so I don't have the ubuntu repos handy
[14:36] <Daenyth> either wifi-radar or an older nm-applet
[14:36] <Daenyth> also, do you know if this issue has been reported on the bug tracker?
[14:38] <puppetmaster>  hi everyone, I can't mount my Ntfs partitions after the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[14:38] <x1250> No, I don't know about any bug report (haven't search)
[14:38] <Daenyth> yeah, I'm searching now
[14:38] <Daenyth> nm-applet seems really buggy to judge from the tracker :P
[14:41] <Daenyth> Will the gutsy wifi-radar package work?
[14:41] <puppetmaster> ?
[14:41] <Daenyth> woops nvm
[14:41] <Daenyth> I didn't notice a dropdown asking for which version
[14:42] <VSpike> puppetmaster: may be silly, but I thought the same thing and then realised I'd hibernated the vista OS and so the partitions were marked as "in use
[14:42] <VSpike> puppetmaster: if you hibernate the windows OS you won't be able to mount the ntfs partitions
[14:42] <Daenyth> what package contains nm-applet, and does anyone know if an older version might not have this bug?
[14:43] <Daenyth> aha found it
[14:43] <puppetmaster> no dear
[14:43] <puppetmaster> I have xp
[14:43] <puppetmaster> and I chkdsk the partitions
[14:43] <puppetmaster> and i shutdown xp cleanly
[14:43] <puppetmaster> so?
[14:44] <VSpike> puppetmaster: did you try mounting from the command line and if so do you get any useful error message?
[14:45] <puppetmaster> yes i get an error messege
[14:45] <puppetmaster> i will screenshot it
[14:45] <Tuv0k> does numlockx turn you guys numlock keyboard light on, although the keypad is functional, the light is not comming on to let me know?
[14:46] <Daenyth> On archlinux it works as expected, including the light
[14:46] <mooboo1> hardy is on 8 days, please hurry up and fix the pink shadows & window decoration but in the nvidia-utils drivers package
[14:46] <Daenyth> can't say as for ubuntu though
[14:48] <puppetmaster> here is the error messege
[14:48] <puppetmaster> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2020/screenshot1tu9.png
[14:48] <x1250> anyone having scrollkeeper xml parsing errors with aptitude?
[14:49] <smallfoot-> hardy is on 8 days, please hurry up and fix the pink shadows & window decoration but in the nvidia-utils drivers package
[14:49] <smallfoot-> bug*
[14:49] <puppetmaster> so what do u think?
[14:51] <Daenyth> What's the best way to have wifi-radar started on system start?
[14:51] <Daenyth> Should I add a NOPASSWD: entry to /etc/sudoers and add it to be called on gnome start?
[14:51] <x1250> Daenyth: nm-applet is on network-manager-gnome
[14:51] <puppetmaster> hey anyone
[14:52] <puppetmaster> what do u think about my mount problem?
[14:52] <Daenyth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/207767 <<-- this bug seems related to my problem
[14:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207767 in network-manager-applet "[hardy] nm-editor does nothing" [Undecided,New]
[14:52] <x1250> Daenyth: AFAIR, wifi-radar executed at boot time. I remember I see it start when looking the boot messages (I use no splash).
[14:52] <Daenyth> ah
[14:53] <Daenyth> automatically set up when I install it?
[14:53] <Daenyth> or must I do something
[14:54] <x1250> I had nothing to do with it, just install it. Anyway to get an IP you must execute the GUI from gnome...
[14:54] <Daenyth> hmm
[14:54] <Daenyth> ok
[14:54] <Daenyth> I just hope nm-applet gets fixed soonish
[14:55] <Daenyth> The system is for my gf, I finally convinced her to let me install linux :p
[14:55] <Daenyth> doesn't come off well to have a big bug like that
[14:55] <Daenyth> at least I can work around it
[14:55] <Daenyth> thanks then
[14:55] <x1250> nice, my mom is using debian etch on an old laptop :)
[14:55] <Daenyth> heh
[14:55] <x1250> just linux in my house :)
[14:55] <Daenyth> I set it up as a dual boot, but I only expect her to use windows for netflix
[14:56] <Daenyth> since she uses firefox/OOo mainly
[14:56] <Daenyth> my method was to just laugh at her every time she had to reboot, or whenever weird crap happened
[14:56] <Daenyth> like the sims game she installed starting itself without being told to do so
[14:57] <Daenyth> by far one of the strangest things I've seen
[14:57] <x1250> lol
[14:59] <x1250> it will probably get fixed, but I think this is an upstream bug, so maybe the fix will not get into hardy unless the packagers patch it.
[15:00] <x1250> I don't know if devs do that after a stable release is out, or if they fix only security issues as with debian
[15:01] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[15:01] <Daenyth> I don't use nm-applet on this system so I can't say whether it's upstream or not, but I'm sure a bug that prevents a wireless manager from detecting networks will be a top priority fix :P
[15:01] <Daenyth> bullgard4: I would guess that it makes a call similiar to the CLI util "file"
[15:02] <bullgard4> Daenyth: I am interested in an exact answer.
[15:02] <Daenyth> then look at the code?
[15:02] <Pici> bullgard4: Then you should perhaps be asking the gnome developers or look at the source directly.
[15:03] <x1250> bullgard4: its a link
[15:04] <bullgard4> Pici: To answer my simple question does not need a GNOME developer. A humble Hardy Nautilus user is enough.
[15:04] <bullgard4> x1250: And what does Nautilus say exactly?
[15:04] <Daenyth> why not just launch nautilus yourself and find out if that's all it takes
[15:04] <Pici> bullgard4: I thought you meant 'how does nautilus know what file type X is'
[15:04] <Daenyth> bullgard4: your question was pretty unclear. I thought that also
[15:05] <Lamego> I am trying the latest daily cd install on vmware and it just hangs up after selecting "Install Ubuntu", any ideas ?
[15:05] <x1250> bullgard4: Prolly "Link to Folder" (Spanish gnome in here)
[15:05] <bullgard4> Pici: But can you answer my very simple question now?
[15:06] <bullgard4> x1250: Please tell me what do you mean by 'Prolly'? I do not know this word.
[15:06] <x1250> Probably...
[15:06] <bullgard4> x1250: Have you got a Nautilus and Hardy?
[15:07] <Pici> bullgard4: It just says 'Link to folder'
[15:07] <x1250> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prolly
[15:07] <x1250> bullgard4: Yes, if not I wouldn't be here
[15:07] <Pici> bullgard4: do you have Nautilus on your computer? I'm just wondering why you're asking.
[15:07] <bullgard4> Pici: Ah! Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
[15:08] <bullgard4> Pici: Because I have another version of Nautilus than you although I am also operating Hardy.
[15:09] <bullgard4> Pici: There are locales in this world of data engineering.
[15:10] <Pici> bullgard4: Ah, a translation question, okay :)
[15:10] <bullgard4> Pici: But I did not ask you to translate.
[15:11] <Pici> bullgard4: Yes, I know.
[15:11] <x1250> bullgard4: for what are you using that nautilus info?
[15:13] <bullgard4> x1250: I am going to find out how the information is transferred from the inode all the way through to the Nautilus column. And GNOME documentation in my native language is scarce. So I need to resort to the universal locale 'C' which is English.
[15:15] <Daenyth> bullgard4: it's my understanding that it uses stat() or similar
[15:15] <Daenyth> I could be mistaken though
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> anyone else experiencing random crashes of pidgin?
[15:16] <bullgard4> Daenyth: I agree but it is not so easy to use stat(). A command-line tool would be more handy. But the output of the command-line 'file' differs from the output of Nautilus.
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> it might just be my dial-up
[15:17] <Hobbsee> Daenyth: replied to your bug.
[15:17] <Daenyth> moment
[15:18] <Daenyth> I guess I'll make an account to post
[15:18] <Daenyth> sigh
[15:18] <Daenyth> already have one... hmm
[15:23] <Daenyth> afk
[15:23] <m1r> hello
[15:24] <m1r> where can i find list of ubuntu server archives on cd to edit for only local archive ?
[15:25] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: I am in a dilemma: When having questions close to the kernel (e. g. about pm-utils) in the past, the Linux Kernel Mailing List pushed me out because I did not use the latest kernel version. When I put that same question in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-de I was referred to LKML. How to escape this dilemma? (##kernelnewbees is almost dead.)
[15:26] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: i'd try asking the person who last uploaded pm-utils that.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: pitti on irc
[15:26] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: looking at it, it looks like benc has done more uploads, so i'd ask him, maybe in #ubuntu-kernel
[15:26] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: Ok, I will try that. --  Thank you.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> even if he doesn't want to answer it himself, he should be able to point you
[15:26] <Hobbsee> no problem
[15:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, kinda' late, but I thought of something that'd be cool to see in an Ubuntu kernel -- even if in hardy+1:
[15:29] <DanaG> the HP "mdps" driver -- the equivalent of IBM/Lenovo's hdaps.
[15:51] <khamael> does hardy have better support for webcams?
[15:52] <Upayavira> Firefox is running at 100% CPU, even when it isn't supposedly doing anything. This is overheating my laptop at times.
[15:53] <Upayavira>  I've connected strace to it, and it spews out loads of stuff, esp, lots of gettimeofday({1208357186, 630776}, NULL) = 0 entries
[15:53] <Upayavira> any ideas what this is about, or what further things to check out?
[15:54] <kreative> which plugins you use
[15:55] <smallfoot-> Upayavira, you have any plugins/extension?
[15:55] <Upayavira> web developer plugin/firebug and the defaults
[15:56] <jf> Upayavira: Even if you just have about:blank open?
[15:57] <dennda> On both of my computers I cannot fetch my mail with evolution anymore. Is that a known problem?
[15:57] <Upayavira> I have quite a few windows open
[15:58] <jf> Some flash commercial sites can make my firefox go banans. Nothing like that?
[15:59] <m1r> dennda , what is problem ?
[15:59] <dennda> m1r: It doesn't do it automatically and the button is gray
[15:59] <m1r> oh ok
[15:59] <m1r> go to File
[16:00] <m1r> and check if it is online
[16:00] <dennda> huh
[16:00] <dennda> Why is that?
[16:00] <m1r> File menu
[16:00] <dennda> works now
[16:00] <m1r> then go down
[16:00] <m1r> yes
[16:00] <m1r> i had same problem
[16:00] <Upayavira> far fewer windows now - still a load of 1.8
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> NetworkManager goofiness again?
[16:05] <saurabh> equaliser doesn't work in exaile, bugs.launcpad status says fix released, please help
[16:15] <Vadi> How can I change the video driver used in 8.04? I don't see the 'screens and graphics' in administration anymore, and xorg.conf doesn't exist.
[16:20] <kRush> what's up with the not all updates can be installed message? or is it just me?
[16:21] <levander> Anyone has tried opensync on hardy?
[16:21] <levander> Last I heard about this thing, it wasn't ready for primetime.
[16:22] <peeps[work]> i just got a new laptop at work, about to install ubuntu on it.  do you guys think I should put Hardy beta on it, since the release is so close
[16:22] <DG19075> Has anyone lost the desktop Trash icon, and can't get it back with Configuration Editor? That's tyhe problem I have now...
[16:22] <levander> peeps[work]: Read the topic.
[16:23] <peeps[work]> levander, what about it?
[16:24] <levander> peeps[work]: It gives suggestion on whether or not to use Hardy.
[16:25] <GABBAR> hi, i downloaded some updates and my wireless card just dissapeared, i checked in restricted drivers as well its not there anymore, its a broadcomm 802.11/a/b/g and im running hardy
[16:25] <GABBAR> any ideas ?
[16:26] <stael123> can't get 2 sound applications run at the same time!
[16:26] <stael123> any ideas?
[16:37] <smallfoot-> my external partitions get mounted as /media/music/ then /media/music_/ then /media/music__/ then /media/music___/, etc... only i have this problem?
[16:38] <goodhabit> Vadi, u need to install restricted extras, then go to system - administration - video drivers
[16:38] <goodhabit> smallfoot-, no, not only u.
[16:38] <smallfoot-> goodhabit, everyone has it?
[16:39] <goodhabit> smallfoot-, dunno, I have.
[16:39] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:39] <smallfoot-> i hope it get fixed before release
[16:39] <smallfoot-> only 8 day left
[16:39] <goodhabit> Gutsy was released totally shitty.
[16:39] <goodhabit> Peace of I'd say.
[16:39] <peeps[work]> is there still a package to easily install firefox2 in hardy?
[16:39] <Pici> goodhabit: Please watch the language in here.
[16:40] <goodhabit> Pici, understood, I'm really sorry.
[16:40] <Lamego> peeps[work], firefox-2
[16:40] <hischild> peeps[work], firefox-2
[16:40] <peeps[work]> ok, cool, i don't have hardy installed, yet, just wanted to know before i do
[16:41] <peeps[work]> cause I gotta test websites i develop on
[16:44] <DG19075> I'm still trying to get my Trash desktop icon back after it disappeared deleting a theme. Unchecking/rechecking the desktop_icon_visible entry in the Configuration Editor doesn't help. Running Hardy here...
[16:46] <xfrogman5> DG19075 why not just dock it on a panel?
[16:47] <bullgard4> In Hardy I called Nautilus as root in a GNOME terminal. I was surprised about the message: "seahorse nautilus module initialized". How can I make this module visible?
[16:49] <DG19075> Just used to the other look, I guess LOL
[16:51] <xfrogman5> DG19075 the trash can should be on the bottom panel in the right hand corner with a default installation of hardy.
[16:52] <DG19075> which it is
[16:52] <xfrogman5> You don't want to us it there?
[16:53] <DG19075> I just like seeing it on the desktop as it's easier to delete files I've been working on.
[16:53] <DG19075> Was deleting a theme this morning and the hilited theme took the icon with it whenI hit delete.
[16:54] <Pici> Did you check in the trash?
[16:54] <m1r> DG19075: maybe reinstall theme back to check ?
[16:54] <Nick_Hill> I have found a bug where 8.04 CD boot will hang on [142.892747] b43legacy-phy0:Broadcom 4301 WLAN found  . Any ideas where I should file this bug?
[16:55] <Tuv0k> Nick_Hill, on the bug site?
[16:55] <Tuv0k> Nick_Hill, http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+bugs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[16:55] <Nick_Hill> Tuv0k, Hmmm
[16:55] <Tuv0k> 1st hit
[16:55] <Nick_Hill> I meant what package
[16:56] <x1250> hal?
[16:56] <VSpike> Hardy works well on this Sony Vaio FS series, and the display brightness setting works well.  However, I notice that I get the dimming of the display when idle on AC, even though I have specifically turned that option off in the power settings.  Is this a known problem?
[16:56] <Nick_Hill> x1250, Thanks.
[16:56] <VSpike> I know there are lots of open bugs all quite similar in this area
[16:56] <Tuv0k> thats for you to determine before it can be called a "bug"
[16:57] <akio> can someone explain why there is no package release for gnome-keyring-manager amd64?
[16:57] <x1250> yeah,  better ask first, I'm not sure
[16:57] <Pirate_Hunter>  ello recently did the latest update for hardy and now my package manager dont work, how do i fix this?
[16:58] <x1250> Any errors Pirate_Hunter?
[16:59] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: it seems it cnat open /var/lib/apt/lists which is weird
[17:00] <x1250> what is the "package manager" you mention? apt-get, aptitude, synaptic?
[17:00] <VSpike> Does hardy have its own project name on launchpad?
[17:00] <Pirate_Hunter> package manager doesnt work aftre latest update /var/lib/apt/lists cant be opened or parsed how can i fix this?
[17:00] <KEBA> hello
[17:01] <BUGabundo> make sure you don't have any apt app running, Pirate_Hunter
[17:01] <BUGabundo> and then remove the lock
[17:01] <x1250> Pirate_Hunter: what you say is not enough to help...
[17:01] <BUGabundo> and clear/remove the libs if necessary
[17:01] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: lets say all of them seriosu all the package manager cont work
[17:02] <Tuv0k> huh?]
[17:02] <KEBA> ive a question: why i need a password to chek the new updates? and i have the feeling, if a press cancel "he" load the files new again
[17:02] <x1250> ok, but is there any chance you can pastebin some console messages?
[17:02] <Tuv0k> huh?
[17:02] <x1250> "it doesn't work" is not enough
[17:02] <Tuv0k> !ask
[17:03] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:03] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: listen i dont know what the problem is al it tell me is that it cant open/parse /var/lib/apt/lists I cnat upgrade, install etc and packages so could you help me please
[17:03] <Tuv0k> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[17:03] <x1250> I can't help you
[17:04] <Tuv0k> geez
[17:04] <Tuv0k> read the link I dropped
[17:04] <Tuv0k> that will help you
[17:04] <Pirate_Hunter> cna anyone help me sort out why the latest update for hardy broke package manager, it seems i cnat update, install packages as it cant open/parse /var/lib/apt/lists?
[17:05] <Tuv0k> and don't constently ask the same question within a minute
[17:05] <Tuv0k> !flood
[17:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[17:05] <m1r> Pirate_Hunter: there should be new update that fix problem with update manager
[17:05] <m1r> try do it manualy
[17:06] <x1250> Pirate_Hunter: If you want help you'll have to provide more info. Saying what you have said several times will NOT do.
[17:06] <orvokki> Hmm, interesting.
[17:06] <Pirate_Hunter> mlr: i just did the update what broke my package manager was the latest update so i doubt it has fixed package manager
[17:06] <x1250> apt is not broken for me...
[17:06] <orvokki> I suspect I might have the same problem.
[17:06] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: i told you what the system tells me what else do you want to know?
[17:07] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter: Have you rebooted since you did that update?
[17:07] <orvokki> Also was it update or upgrade?
[17:07] <Pici> rather the upgrade that you think broke it.
[17:07] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: yes I have and on my system bar ive got an error sign from package update manager
[17:08] <orvokki> Pici: Well, I just ran *just* update and got a lock issue.
[17:08] <orvokki> I suspect there might have been something weird with today's update(s).
[17:09] <orvokki> Ah, my problem was fixed by waiting a while.
[17:09] <orvokki> Apparently apt-get update exited before all the forked processes were done.
[17:09] <Pirate_Hunter> orvokki: you cna say that again something is definetely wrong when it breaks update manager :/
[17:09] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: any suggestions
[17:09] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter: I've only seen that error you're getting when there are filesystem issues.
[17:10] <Pici> Or rather, similar issues.
[17:10] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: nope no file system errors here only an update that broke itself and cant access /var/lib/apt/lists as the system tells me
[17:11] <Pici> Can you access it?
[17:12] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: here is the actual message http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:13] <x1250> that was different from what you said.
[17:13] <x1250> can you cat any of those files?
[17:13] <Pirate_Hunter> can anyone help me here is the message from my update manager - http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:14] <akio> pirate
[17:15] <akio> i will help you
[17:15] <akio> open up a console
[17:15] <tim1> Hello.
[17:15] <akio> become root
[17:15] <akio> type in aptitude
[17:15] <tim1> Hi chuy.
[17:15] <ikonia> akio: don't advise people to become root
[17:16] <chuy>  sup room, Hardy Beta user here who is experiencing frequent compiz-real high cpu utilization which cause the system to lock up
[17:16] <akio> ?
[17:16] <x1250> ikonia: why not?
[17:16] <ikonia> x1250: ubuntu uses sudo
[17:16] <x1250> so what?
[17:16] <akio> samish
[17:16] <ikonia> so the ubuntu supported methodoligy is to use sudo
[17:16] <akio> ok then sudo su root
[17:16] <x1250> that is not correct
[17:16] <chuy> sounds good to me
[17:16] <ikonia> thats what the recommendation should be
[17:16] <x1250> sudo su
[17:16] <tim1> Anyone here having problems with b43? It doesn't find any networks. bcm43xx is working alright.
[17:16] <x1250> is also correct
[17:16] <ikonia> akio: no
[17:16] <orvokki> x1250: Becoming root is usually considered both a security risk and a way to easily break your system.
[17:16] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone please help me fix my package manager please here is the error message http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:16] <x1250> orvokki: yeah right...
[17:16] <orvokki> x1250: Become root for the task, don't change into root.
[17:17] <tim1> x1250: Isn't su root the same?
[17:17] <Pici> sudo -i preferably.
[17:17] <akio> why am i being silenced when i am the only one attempting to troubleshoot the damn issue?
[17:17] <orvokki> That's why sudo exists.
[17:17] <x1250> there is nothing wrong with being root
[17:17] <akio> pirate you there?
[17:17] <jussi01> !supportroot
[17:17] <x1250> you can make the same mistakes using sudo
[17:17] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[17:17] <bigon> does anybody has also troubles to print thing via another cups server? i get /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed
[17:17] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: yes
[17:18] <x1250> becoming root with $ sudo su, is very handy
[17:18] <akio> when in the console, press ctrl+t
[17:18] <ikonia> x1250: it's not the ubuntu supported technique
[17:18] <akio> you should see a menu
[17:18] <orvokki> x1250: Or sudo -i or sudo -s
[17:18] <ikonia> x1250: hence why I said "not recommended"
[17:18] <orvokki> But it's not recommended.
[17:18] <x1250> ikonia: if you can do it, then IT IS supported
[17:18] <tim1> bigon: I've never had any problems with CUPS, even network servers (TCP/IP I think) are working properly here.
[17:18] <x1250> its linux, and not other thing
[17:18] <chuy> so anyone else experiencing compiz-real high cpu utilization?
[17:18] <bigon> tim1: :/
[17:19] <ikonia> x1250: I can remove my root file system, is that supported ?
[17:19] <orvokki> x1250: Compiling your own kernel for Ubuntu can be done too, it's still not supported.
[17:19] <x1250> with $ sudo su, you DONT need a root password
[17:19] <Pirate_Hunter> http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:19] <akio> use the arrow keys to navigate to clean package cache
[17:19] <akio> then hit enter
[17:19] <ikonia> x1250: the bottom line is, in an ubuntu support channel, your supposed to recommend the ubuntu solution, sudo su - is not the recommended solution, please don't suggest it, despite your personal feelings
[17:19] <x1250> hey guys, we're talking about a simple thing: don't having to write sudo all the time
[17:19] <akio> do the same thing and clean obsolete files
[17:19] <x1250> is there any difference between $ sudo command, and # command?
[17:20] <x1250> nope
[17:20] <Keithabuse> Can anyone help with a networking problem I am having in mythbuntu 8.04? I am behind a router, can ping other machines, but can't ping the router, or connect to the net. Using asus mobo with realtek gigabit lan.
[17:20] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: should explain where do i go to clean package cache as i dont know
[17:20] <tim1> bigon: I have a FRITZ!Box 7170. I don't know whether it's running a CUPS server. One machine here running Microsoft Windows XP neither has any problems with it. So I think it's not a CUPS server.
[17:20] <ikonia> Keithabuse: still pondering it fyi
[17:20] <Keithabuse> ahah, cheers ikonia
[17:20] <akio> use the arrow keys after you hit ctrl+t
[17:20] <akio> then press down and select it
[17:20] <Keithabuse> just thought I'd come in here as you suggested.
[17:20] <akio> then press enter
[17:20] <ikonia> x1250: bottom line is, recommed/support the ubuntu supported method
[17:20] <ikonia> Keithabuse: no no, thats a good idea, welcome
[17:20] <x1250> ikonia: I know ubuntu uses sudo, and you also can make debian use sudo, and so what?
[17:21] <akio> got it pirate?
[17:21] <Keithabuse> I know its not my router - I have ubuntu hardy on my laptop, which works fine (wireless santa-rosa)
[17:21] <ikonia> x1250: your not using debian - your using and supporting people on ubuntu, in an ubuntu channel, please try to recommend the ubuntu supported methodoligy
[17:22] <akio> i had to get a debian package to solve an ubuntu problem
[17:22] <Keithabuse> as I said, I've got WinXP, Vista, Hardy, a wii, and now mythbuntu on this router - and mythbuntu is the only one that doesnt work.
[17:22] <akio> ubuntu is great but its debian before ubuntu
[17:22] <x1250> ikonia: There is no "ubuntu method". Its just a command. The only thing ubuntu does with sudo is not setting the root password, and have the root account disabled for login
[17:22] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: nope ctrl+t does nothing
[17:22] <x1250> there is no other reason
[17:22] <akio> you have to have the console in focus
[17:23] <ikonia> x1250: there is an ubuntu method, I suggest we take this else where as it's not relevant to actual support, but it's important we don't recommended non-supported/dangerous techniques
[17:23] <chuy> Keithabuse: how you getting your ip on this machine, static or dhcp?
[17:23] <akio> hmm
[17:23] <Keithabuse> dhcp, but the router is hard assigning it (<IP_ADDRESS> atm)
[17:23] <tim1> chuy: I've often heard about it. I'm using dhclient to get an IP. But what's the difference between static and DHCP?
[17:24] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: ok you want me to go to #test
[17:24] <chuy> tim1: the difference is static has to be entered by a human who makes mistakes
[17:24] <Keithabuse> as I said, all my machines are done the exact same way, all assigned to <IP_ADDRESS>x
[17:24] <Keithabuse> but its still dhcp, just the router knows to assign those IPs
[17:25] <ikonia> Keithabuse: this may sound silly, but can it ping it's self ?
[17:25] <ikonia> Keithabuse: ie, not localhost
[17:25] <x1250> As I said, the reasons behind it are to have root account disabled, and therefore making "su" command not available to anyone.
[17:25] <tim1> chuy: Mh, but there needs to be a difference how the IPs are being assigned or something?
[17:25] <Keithabuse> yup, pings itself fine as 192 addr.
[17:25] <x1250> there is nothing wrong with using su with sudo.
[17:25] <Keithabuse> Im guessing its not the hardware, as it can ping to other machines?
[17:25] <chuy> I was asking which method he was using so I could rule out errors in what he put in the config files
[17:26] <chuy> keithabuse: assign it a static address and see if that works?
[17:26] <tim1> Keithabuse: Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> (google.com)
[17:26] <orvokki> x1250: No point using su with sudo, that's what -i and -s are for.
[17:26] <orvokki> x1250: That's useless use of su.
[17:26] <ikonia> tim1: we went through this in the other chanel
[17:26] <ikonia> tim1: you where there
[17:26] <ikonia> he has no dns
[17:26] <Keithabuse> tim1, "Destination Host Uncreachable", same for what it says for my router.
[17:26] <Pirate_Hunter> for freaking sake how cna i get help on an empty chanel
[17:27] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: what empty channel ?
[17:27] <tim1> ikonia: Yeah, but I didn't follow the discussion as I was reading newsfeeds in the meantime.
[17:27] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: any i just want for someone to help me and sine im using irssi i dont know how to pm :/
[17:27] <akio> ol
[17:27] <akio> i don't either, i use finch
[17:28] <orvokki> Pirate_Hunter: /q nick foo
[17:28] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: sorry for that didnt know channel #pirate existed
[17:28] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter 1.) don't pm people 2.) people will get to you when they can
[17:28] <tim1> Keithabuse: Have you tried sudo dhclient?
[17:28] <akio> lol
[17:28] <orvokki> Pirate_Hunter: Doesn't work on this network unless you're registered.
[17:28] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: i know but i needed it so akonia could help me
[17:28] <Tuv0k> !manners | Pirate_Hunter
[17:28] <ubotu> Pirate_Hunter: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:28] <Keithabuse> just did it.
[17:28] <ikonia> ?
[17:28] <ikonia> I am ikonia
[17:28] <Keithabuse> dont see any errors.
[17:29] <Tuv0k> !nick
[17:29] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[17:29] <Pirate_Hunter> Tuv0k: dont type that since he/she agreed to ehlp me on a separate channel
[17:29] <chuy> keithabuse: is the cat cable known good?
[17:29] <Keithabuse> yup. tried two different ones now.
[17:29] <chuy> and you have verified these cables somewhere else
[17:29] <Tuv0k> !etiquette | Pirate_Hunter
[17:29] <ubotu> Pirate_Hunter: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...
[17:30] <ikonia> chuy: he can ping the XP box
[17:30] <chuy> dugh, my bad
[17:30] <chuy> didn't read that
[17:30] <Keithabuse> but yeah, all the cables are good.
[17:30] <chuy> what happens if you give it a static address?
[17:30] <trappist> hey where's pg_hba.conf in postgres 8.3?
[17:31] <trappist> I'm used to finding it in /etc/postgresql
[17:31] <tim1> trappist: I don't know. Maybe you could use "locate" or "find"?
[17:31] <corporal_clegg> hello, I've upgraded to hardy
[17:32] <corporal_clegg> is there a way to install the old 2.6.22 kernel inside hardy? (I've deleted it)
[17:32] <trappist> tim1: locate turns up /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/pg_hba.conf.sample
[17:32] <Keithabuse> chuy, doesnt connect at all
[17:32] <corporal_clegg> I need it to use my em28xx dvb-t card...
[17:32] <chuy> is this NIC integrated into MB?
[17:32] <tim1> trappist: Ok, then rename it to pg_hba.conf
[17:32] <tim1> chuy: What's NIC?
[17:32] <Keithabuse> yeah it is
[17:33] <chuy> Network interface card (NIC)
[17:33] <chuy> what kind of mb is it?
[17:33] <tim1> chuy: Does MB stands for mother- or mainboard?
[17:33] <Keithabuse> the nic is Realtek RTL811/8168B rev 01
[17:33] <chuy> cmon tim1: your messing with my head right?
[17:34] <Keithabuse> the MB is the one in the pundit p3, asus p5k-vm i think
[17:34] <chuy> Have you googled for that model nic to see if any others show similar probs?
[17:34] <ikonia> his nic is fine
[17:34] <ikonia> he's on the network
[17:34] <ikonia> it just can't talk to his router that is the issue
[17:34] <chuy> he's not though if static isn't taking and he can't ping selective ip's
[17:34] <chuy> that's not on the network to me
[17:34] <tim1> chuy: No, I just didn't know these words. Sorry, I'm not native speaker.
[17:35] <chuy> tim1: all good
[17:35] <ikonia> Keithabuse: can you please stick netstat -rn and ifconfig -a into a pastebin so I can keep them on screen to work something through please.
[17:35] <chuy> it can be either
[17:35] <Keithabuse> uhm... k it'll be a while
[17:35] <ikonia> Keithabuse: sorry, just easier to keep it on screen to work with
[17:36] <bullgard4> How can I configure Tracker using a GUI configuration tool?
[17:36] <elliotjhug> hi all - I just tried to install fonts into hardy but when I type fonts:/// into nautilus the directory is not found (that was the technique for ubuntu 7.10 and below) - is there a new technique I have to use or am I doing something stupid here?
[17:37] <ShackJack> elliotjhug: You can drop them in .fonts in your home dir....
[17:37] <elliotjhug> thanks
[17:38] <ShackJack> Hi Herons - since the -16 kernel update. I have been without my fglrx driver... Is there some transition being done away from this closed source driver. I noticed a new "Geode" driver goin in - not sure if I should be changing over to that? (Using lappy X1400 Radeon)
[17:38] <ikonia> !tracker >ikonia
[17:39] <elliotjhug> .fonts doesn't appear to exist. will I have to create it (and if so do I have to restart gnome after?)
[17:39] <ikonia> bullgard4: it looks like there are a few front eds for it, eg: beagle
[17:40] <bullgard4> ikonia: I am using a graphical frontend (the one provided with Hardy). I am just missing a configuration tool for it. I used to congure it in the past (Gutsy).
[17:41] <bullgard4> configure
[17:41] <tim1> ShackJack: My brother is using the xorg-driver-fglrx package on Ubuntu Hardy Heron. Have you tried reinstalling it?
[17:41] <ikonia> bullgard4: which one did you use in the past ?
[17:41] <Keithabuse> http://pastebin.com/d3b5b8a44 ikonia
[17:41] <bullgard4> A graphical configuration tool.
[17:42] <ikonia> bullgard4: which one
[17:42] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thanks
[17:42] <Keithabuse> np
[17:42] <bullgard4> ikonia: I do not remember its name.
[17:43] <ikonia> Keithabuse: this will sound dumb I appriciate, but you have no firewalls or anything running on the ubuntu box ?
[17:43] <Keithabuse> its stock mythbuntu, so I guess not
[17:43] <ikonia> Keithabuse: does your router have a web interface to configure it /?
[17:43] <Keithabuse> yeah
[17:44] <ikonia> Keithabuse try telneting to the router on port 80
[17:44] <jmichaelx> i am thinking of upgrading to hardy today, but have one question. i used evny to install nvidia video drivers. should i first remove those drivers before the upgrade?
[17:45] <tim1> jmichaelx: Were these drivers in the repositories?
[17:45] <tim1> jmichaelx: I don
[17:45] <Keithabuse> "No route to host"
[17:45] <tim1> jmichaelx: 't hink there will be any problems.
[17:45] <jmichaelx> tim1:  ok, i didn't thik so, but wanted to check
[17:45] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thats stupid, there is a route
[17:46] <ikonia> Keithabuse: can we manually delete and then re-add the route (again - stupid I know)
[17:46] <Keithabuse> ok, just tell me how
[17:46] <bullgard4> ikonia: I have got it: 'tracker-preferences'.
[17:48] <ikonia> Keithabuse: route del <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:48] <ikonia> Keithabuse: sorry, sudo
[17:49] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: sorry ok just call me when you cna
[17:49] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: what exactly is the problem, lets see if its a quickie
[17:50] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: its trying to fix this http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:50] <Pelo> good afternoon folks ?
[17:50] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: ls -la http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:50] <ikonia> Pelo: hi
[17:51] <Pelo> are we in "RC" yet ? I read some article on digg that hinted
[17:51] <ikonia> Pelo: not according to the website
[17:51]  * Pelo also has a real question about USB Flash drives not mounting automaticaly
[17:52] <Tuv0k> !ask | Pelo
[17:52] <ubotu> Pelo: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:52] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: so what cna you suggest?
[17:52] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: sorry, I meant "ls -la /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_binary-i386_Packages"
[17:52] <Pelo> Tuv0k, learn to read
[17:52] <Pelo> all the way throught
[17:52] <Tuv0k> take yourt own advise and read the topic?
[17:52] <Tuv0k> says Beta right?
[17:53] <Tuv0k> so no we ar enot RC yet
[17:53] <Tuv0k> and ask you USB Flash question
[17:53] <ShackJack> tim1: Hi - tim1 - stepped out for a sec - no I have not tried reinstalling my fglrx driver... I can give it a go... Seems to work in -15 but when turning compiz on, no decoration... and doesn't show up at all in -16 (under restricted drviers)
[17:53] <Pelo> Tuv0k, that was the question,  usb flash are not automouting
[17:53] <Pelo> anyone else ?
[17:53] <ikonia> ShackJack: when kernels change the drivers may/may not need updating. They may not have been updated yet, it's a beta product at the moment
[17:53] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/d1e60c9aa
[17:54] <trappist> I must be missing a package - I'm trying to run postgresql 8.3 and there's no /etc/postgresql, though it's required by the init scripts, and it wants to find pg_hba.conf there
[17:54] <Tuv0k> !udev
[17:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:54] <tim1> ShackJack: Yeah, that was a problem my brother also had. glxinfo is saying "direct rendering: No", right? I think he installed the proprietary version from AMD.
[17:54] <ShackJack> ikonia: I hear ya... I knew there was some work on an O/S ATI/AMD driver didnt know if HH was switching over to it or not... Am trying the reinstall route ATM
[17:55] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: why the heck that has setuid on that file I'll not understand. I suggest you report the error on luanchpad to the package update-manager with all the detail and what for a response. (thats what the error messages suggests)
[17:55] <ikonia> Keithabuse: how you getting on  ?
[17:55] <ShackJack> tim1: It's installed but when I look under prop drivers, it is not being used evidentally... I also got crash from atieventsd upon reinstalling...
[17:55] <Keithabuse> sorry ikonia, just went to fix some dinner.
[17:56] <Keithabuse> uhm, did "sudo route del <IP_ADDRESS>" and I got "not such process"
[17:56] <jmichaelx> if a person upgrades from gutsy to hardy with both kde 3.5 and kde4 installed, i presume that both will be upgraded?
[17:56] <ikonia> Keithabuse: sudo route del -net <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:56] <tim1> ShackJack: Have you set fglrx to the driver in the xorg.conf?
[17:56] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: well sinc ei havent messed with anything in there is has to do with the update
[17:57] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: it could be an existing bug with update-manager thats nothing to do with the updates
[17:57] <Tuv0k> !stable | jmichaelx
[17:57] <ubotu> jmichaelx: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[17:57] <ShackJack> tim1: Yes, I have not changed anything with respect to xorg.conf - was fglrx last time I looked :) Am rebotting now and will confirm...
[17:57] <tim1> Ok.
[17:58] <m1r> ikonia: other day was some package broken , cant recall name, but was somthing with jockey or like that, after new update manually i think i got that fixed
[17:58] <jmichaelx> Tuv0k: that is no answer to what i asked.
[17:58] <Tuv0k> depends on your understanding
[17:58] <ikonia> m1r: why are you telling me this ?
[17:58] <ShackJack> I tired logging into that Ubuntu brainstorm thing, but darned if I couln't get the captcha right...
[17:59] <m1r> ikonia: maybe u recall package name to help Pirate_Hunter
[17:59] <ikonia> m1r: the problem is with update-manager - the error message tells him that
[17:59] <jmichaelx> it was no answer at all to what was asked.
[17:59] <m1r> ikonia: ok
[17:59] <Keithabuse> ikonia, done with no complaint
[17:59] <Pelo> jmichaelx, I would assume that you would only upgrade to the package that was supported the other would be either removed or left unused and unusable
[17:59] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: when you log the bug also log the output of ls -la /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_binary-i386_Packages
[18:00] <ikonia>  as you did for me
[18:00] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thats more like i
[18:00] <ikonia> it
[18:00] <ShackJack> tim1: Yes, fglrx is in xorg, but Restrcited drivers still says it's not in use...
[18:00] <jmichaelx> Pelo: i was just wondering about possibly removing kde4 before i upgrade...
[18:00] <ikonia> Keithabuse: when you do a netstat -rn now, you should see the route for <IP_ADDRESS> gone, can you confirm that please.
[18:00] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: ok will do so im in the procedure of registering
[18:00] <Keithabuse> yeah
[18:00] <tim1> ShackJack: Ok, what happens if you try to enable it?
[18:00] <Keithabuse> confirmed.
[18:00] <ShackJack> tim1: Enable it from where?
[18:00] <ikonia> Keithabuse: mega ok, so now "sudo route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> gw $ip_of_router
[18:01] <Harold> Can anyone tell me how to get mp3 support to work with amarok? The automatic install wont pop up after i chose not to, and im slightly stuck
[18:01] <jbroome> !mp3 | Harold
[18:01] <ubotu> Harold: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:01] <Keithabuse> literally that ikonia, or replace $ip... with 192...?
[18:01] <Harold> already did that
[18:01] <ikonia> replace with 192
[18:01] <Tuv0k> !sound | Harold
[18:01] <ubotu> Harold: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[18:01] <Pelo> jmichaelx, assuming it is not supported (sorry I don'T know about kubuntu) , it woold likiely show up in adempt as "obsolete" or leftover and all the packages would be easy enought to identify
[18:01] <Keithabuse> done
[18:01] <Harold> tuv0k, sound works fine
[18:01] <ikonia> Keithabuse: netstat -rn should show the route back ?
[18:02] <Keithabuse> yes. as it was before.
[18:02] <Tuv0k> Harold, just no mp3s?
[18:02] <ikonia> Keithabuse: ok, now ping your rouer on ip address
[18:02] <Keithabuse> nada
[18:02] <ShackJack> tim1: If you;re referring to xorg, it is already set to fglrx, but fglrxinfo reads Mesa GLX INdirect rendering... ATI driver does not show under Restricted Drivers...
[18:02] <Keithabuse> host uncreachable
[18:02] <Harold> yes
[18:02] <Harold> tuv0k yes
[18:02] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thats so odd, as if the host is unreachable route add should fail as it can't see the gatewat your telling it to use
[18:03] <Pelo> Harold, check the amarok preferences, there is probably a checkbox to "install codecs" or something , re check it
[18:03] <Harold> br00tal
[18:03] <Keithabuse> its all beyond me
[18:03] <ikonia> Keithabuse: I have another random test for you, can you swap the cable/port on the router with another one (I know we know it's working I'm looking for clues)
[18:03] <ikonia> Keithabuse: so plug the XP machine cable intot he ubuntu machine, but leave the XP cable plugged into the router in the same port as the XP had it
[18:04] <Harold> pelo, have any idea which menu it would be under, because i dont see a "Prefrences" tab in amarok
[18:04] <Harold> ive been looking for that
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: Sorry for the late response. Have you tried enabling it from this menu (clicking on the checkbox)?
[18:04] <ShackJack> tim1: Which menu?
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: Hm. Could you post the xorg.conf to pastebin?
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: This proprietary hardware control center.
[18:04] <Keithabuse> ikonia, I'll lose connection here though.
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: Don't know the proper name for it, sorry. :D
[18:05] <ikonia> Keithabuse: I've got to drive home now any how, so I can catch up with you in 25/35 minutes
[18:05] <Pelo> Harold, probably under edit
[18:05] <Keithabuse> hmm. 35 mins I'll be eating dinner.
[18:05] <Pelo> Harold, I'm not saying there is ,  I'm just assuming
[18:05] <Keithabuse> before you go, do you think its worth just reinstalling, but using 7.04?
[18:06] <ShackJack> tim1: If you mean the Restricted Drivers menu - it does not show up there....
[18:06] <Harold> Pelo, eh i just found a "restore defaults" button and that worked for me :)
[18:06] <unstable> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ .. I followed these instructions, except for Hardy, and I didn't burn the disc and boot the livecd, I just mount -o loop hardy.iso /hardy, and followed the instructions from there. When I boot my usb thumb drive, I get the grub menu, and I can even boot memtest from it, but when I try to boot ubuntu, it says "vmlinuz" in a dialog like box.
[18:07] <tim1> ShackJack: Ok. What happens if you open the restricted drivers menu from the console? My brother got an error printed. I think something like modinfo: module not found.
[18:07] <ShackJack> tim1: I don't believe it's an xorg.conf issue as that has not been changed and is indicating the proper driver... It is most certainly a software/driver issue/conflict
[18:08] <tim1> ShackJack: Yes, you're right. I thought it was showing up in this restricted drivers menu so I thought it
[18:08] <tim1> ShackJack: s/it/has something to do with the xorg.conf/
[18:08] <Keithabuse> ikonia, re-installing to 7.04 worth a try?
[18:10] <ShackJack> tim1: It does say it cannot find module fglrx along with nvidia_new and could others... And what kind of name is jockey-gtk for the Restricted Drivers Mgr? :P
[18:10] <ShackJack> tim1: It is unlikely the xorg.conf... You tell xorg.conf what driver to load and that's about it nothing exotic there...
[18:11] <tim1> ShackJack: Oh yeah, that was exactly the same problem my brother had.
[18:11] <trappist> ok /etc/postgresql is definitely missing.  anybody know what happened to the packages?
[18:11] <ShackJack> tim1: And how did he correct it?
[18:11] <tim1> ShackJack: What we did was downloading the installer from the AMD site and used it do overwrite all files.
[18:12] <tim1> ShackJack: Reinstalling the fglrx package didn't work so we installed the fglrx driver from the website as instructed in the wiki.
[18:12] <ShackJack> Ahh... prolly just recompiled new driver for latest kernel then... There's some kind of mismatch with kernel -16 and fglrx... I do see a curious fglrx-amdccle 'Dummy package for easy transition".. Transition to what... hmmm...
[18:13] <ShackJack> tim1: Well, maybe I'll do that or just wait a bit longer for Ubuntu to get their packages sorted out, as it seems clearly to be a packaging issue... Thanks for the help..
[18:15] <tim1> ShackJack: No problem. Some days ago he reinstalled Ubuntu completely with the daily snapshot alternate CD. This one worked perfectly and he didn't need to download the ATI drivers from the website.
[18:16] <ShackJack> tim1: Hmmpf then mine *should* be working... Ah well, guess I can wait a little longer. I miss my eye-candy!
[18:16] <ShackJack> !fglrx-control
[18:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fglrx-control - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:17] <tim1> ShackJack: Hehe. On this machine (running Hardy Heron) I have some problems with the current X.org Intel driver (no direct rendering available).
[18:18] <tim1> ShackJack: Attaching a second monitor using xrandr would be cool but currently it's not working here.
[18:18] <ShackJack> Yeah, I had gnome dameon and other issues with Fesity/Hardy upgrade and (somewhat sadley) a fresh install of Hardy took care of those (hate to resort to that, but dead easy with partitioned /home)
[18:20] <tim1> ShackJack: Yep. My brother reinstalled Ubuntu 4 times. He always had to move his home directory. Now he has /home on an other partition.
[18:20] <ShackJack> I've installed fglrx-control but can't figure out how to run it... Anyone know... looks on google - but commands given don't work - anyone know?
[18:21] <tim1> ShackJack: Don't know. Have you tried fglrx <tab>?
[18:21] <ShackJack> tim1: Of course :P  I've seen firegl, etc.. but they don't work..
[18:23] <ShackJack> fglrx-control is a QT graphic app, you'd think it'd show up somewhere in the menu or control panel :( (or be able to be launched by the package name(!))
[18:25] <tim1> ShackJack: Hehe. I think it's called amdcccle.
[18:25] <tim1> ShackJack: That's what this page says: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/fglrx-control/filelist
[18:26] <ShackJack> tim1: Well whadaya know - makes perfect sense :)
[18:26] <ShackJack> tim1: Thanks was looking at the wrong page
[18:26] <tim1> ShackJack: I searched for "fglrx-control ubuntu" on Google. :)
[18:29] <ShackJack> tim1: O.K. I'll stop fiddling now and wait to the package-maintaining gods to fix it :)
[18:29] <ShackJack> (man QT is ugly under GNOME)
[18:30] <tim1> ShackJack: Heh, that's why I don't use Qt applications at all here. I'm mainly using the console but there are some applications which haven't been ported yet. :(
[18:31] <tim1> ShackJack: A PDF viewer for the console would be great. :D
[18:31] <hydrogen> the solution is to not use gnome
[18:32] <hydrogen> not the other way around
[18:32] <tim1> hydrogen: I'm not using GNOME. :P
[18:33] <tim1> hydrogen: I'm using Wmii, the best tiling manager ever. :)
[18:33] <hydrogen> thats not saying much
[18:34] <tim1> hydrogen: Why?
[18:34] <orvokki> Hmm. VLC just crashed on me. :(
[18:34] <XceII> Everything works fine, until I load amarok, when playing amarok, no other apps can share sound, is this normal, or is the a fix?, thanks
[18:35] <orvokki> I would be ready to blame PulseAudio for both of our problems...
[18:36] <XceII> It does it no matter what sound i use, alsa or what ever.
[18:36] <orvokki> Sure. You can't escape PulseAudio by just choosing ALSA:
[18:36] <orvokki> s/:/./
[18:36] <XceII> orly?
[18:36] <trappist> my locales is all screwed up.  almost anything I do throws errors about locales, LANG, etc., but all the environment variables look right.  any ideas?
[18:37] <XceII> I have a feeling it is the (amarok) kde app.
[18:37] <XceII> everythine else works
[18:37] <XceII> and works flawlessly
[18:38] <m1r> i instaled ubuntu CLI to laptop over pxe (no cdrom , no floppy,non bootable usb slot).now i wanted go install ubuntu-desktop , but i noticed my whole apt sources point to my local server. how can i reconfigure it to fetch archive from online repository wihtout manually changing each line ?
[18:38] <blekos> hello, can anybody verify that the problem with the wireless card using ipwl has been solved?
[18:40] <tim1> blekos: I have a different problem with my wireless card but using b43. It fails when searching for wireless networks (iwlist scan).
[18:41] <blekos> it seems like hardy is not yet ready
[18:41] <af_> hi, there is a way to boot a raid1 server in degraded mode (one disk failed, for example)?
[18:41] <jbroome> blekos: that's why it's still in beta.
[18:41] <af_> I mean, unattended
[18:41] <blekos> yes, but is out in 8 days or so
[18:42] <blekos> wireless not working is quite a prob
[18:42] <Tuv0k> your wireless not working
[18:42] <Tuv0k> not wireless not working per se
[18:42] <jbroome> submit a bug report.  or check and see if it's a known problem
[18:42] <tim1> blekos: I've read on Launchpad, the problems will be gone as soon as the new kernel has arrived. Mh, I've installed the most current kernel - no way, iwlist scan doesn't find any networks here. The problem is known but the only fix was to recompile the kernel with a patch-file.
[18:42] <Tuv0k> people who checked their hardware first are doing just fine
[18:42] <blekos> it is a known problem
[18:42] <Tuv0k> !hardware
[18:43] <m1r> how can i update my source.list to defaults ?
[18:43] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[18:43] <acuster> hey all, are there nighly cd images? we're having an issue with grub in the beta 64 image
[18:43] <Tuv0k> !repos
[18:43] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:43] <jbroome> !nightly | acuster
[18:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nightly - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:43] <jbroome> !daily | acuster
[18:43] <ubotu> acuster: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:43] <blekos> the probl.  is that the have moved from the prop. ipw to ipwl
[18:43] <acuster> thanks
[18:44] <Tuv0k> m1r, you could copy the source.list from the install cd, or you could use google to find a hady source.list
[18:44] <Tuv0k> m1r, or you could use an old gutsy source.list and change all "gutsy" words with hardy
[18:45] <tim1> Tuv0k: I have a GNU/Linux laptop but I also have problems with my WLAN and modem device. Everything else is working alright.
[18:45] <tim1> Tuv0k: Yep, that's what I did when I upgraded to Hardy.
[18:45] <Tuv0k> my wireless is fine, but I use a linux compatible wifi usb nic
[18:46] <Tuv0k> !wireless
[18:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:46] <blekos> tuvok, thnx 4 all the infos
[18:46] <blekos> but as i mentioned before it is a known bug
[18:46] <Tuv0k> http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
[18:47] <m1r> Tuv0k: laptop i am working on has only CLI and network conection , how would be posible to add somthing to it ?
[18:47] <Tuv0k> by using the cli?
[18:47] <blekos> i'm just looking if someone having the intel 3845abg managed it to work
[18:47] <Tuv0k> you chose to run cli, and you don't know how to work in cli?
[18:47] <m1r> Tuv0k: but from where i get to copy files :(
[18:47] <Tuv0k> the install cdrom?
[18:47] <Tuv0k> the web
[18:47] <Tuv0k> !google
[18:47] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[18:48] <Tuv0k> blekos, whats the bug #?
[18:48] <nDuff> Are Ubuntu packages for newer/nightly FF3 builds available somewhere? I'm hitting a crash issue triggered by Firebug on FF3b5 but fixed in newer releases on a very regular basis.
[18:48] <trappist> ok anything I do as my mortal user has very screwed up locales, but root doesn't have the problem.  any ideas why?
[18:48] <m1r> Tuv0k: machine dont have cdrom, usb not working , no flopy, and from cd i instaled , just didnt want to finish instaltion with ubuntu-desktop
[18:48] <jbroome> nDuff: i don't think there's anything newer than b5
[18:48] <tim1> m1r: What are you trying to do? Modifying the sources.list?
[18:48] <Tuv0k> yeah tim1
[18:48] <m1r> tim1: get original
[18:49] <tim1> m1r: The Hardy sources.list?
[18:49] <m1r> es
[18:49] <tim1> m1r: I could send you mine.
[18:49] <m1r> yes
[18:49] <tim1> m1r: Ok, wait.
[18:49] <Tuv0k> m1r, how about you download the iso or google as I said above to obtain the original source.list, then ssh it to your box?
[18:49] <Tuv0k> is that understandable?
[18:49] <m1r> ssh also didnt want to install over PXE
[18:49] <Tuv0k> yikes
[18:49] <Tuv0k> ftp?
[18:49] <m1r> PXE
[18:50] <Tuv0k> you need another method to alter files on that box no?
[18:50] <Vadi> I need some help - I'm trying to install 8.04, already deleted 7.10, and 8.04 partitioner is failing badly to do it's job right. It keeps failing, and I've already tried every single option (guided, all drive, manual...). It simply says "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." and that's it.
[18:50] <Tuv0k> deleted?
[18:50] <Tuv0k> uh boy
[18:51] <Tuv0k> Vadi, format and do it right this time?
[18:51] <m1r> Tuv0k: any option for network
[18:51] <tim1> http://pastebin.ca/987629
[18:51] <Vadi> Yes, because the keyboard in there broke _completely_. As in not responsive at all.
[18:51] <blekos> tuvok: i'm trying to find the "exact" bug
[18:51] <Tuv0k> take your time
[18:51] <tim1> m1r: This is the list for the German servers, you need to replace all .de to .es to get the English version as far I know.
[18:51] <Vadi> Tuv0k: I already formatted with gparted. When I check after the installer fails, it makes an extended partition with swap in it each time.
[18:52] <Tuv0k> m1r, your going to need to take a trip to the box me thinks
[18:52] <Vadi> Tuv0k: Can I manually format whatever the installer needs?
[18:52] <blekos> ok here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/204709
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204709 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[iwl3945] Intel 3945ABG wireless card stops working on Hardy upgrade (dup-of: 183968)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "mac80211 "master" interface matches existant persistent network rules" [Critical,Fix released]
[18:52] <m1r> yes Tuv0k, but i dont have any comunication there
[18:52] <m1r> and cant install irssi
[18:52] <m1r> :/
[18:52] <tim1> m1r: Use WeeChat. :)
[18:53] <m1r> tim1: no sources.list, cant install anything
[18:53] <Tuv0k> m1r, all you need to do is make sure the box is setup correctly, then remote administer it?
[18:53] <tim1> I uploaded it to pastebin.ca
[18:53] <Tuv0k> Vadi, I don't know what your ability level is, so I can't say
[18:53] <tim1> m1r: [19:51:38]         tim1 | http://pastebin.ca/987629
[18:54] <m1r> tnx tim1 i check that , i go get laptop and try fetch irrsi and some other packages from local repo :(
[18:54] <m1r> tnx Tuv0k
[18:54] <m1r> brb
[18:54] <Tuv0k> np
[18:54] <Vadi> Tuv0k: Well, I am proficient as screwing things over with gparted. What partitions do I need to make, do you know?
[18:54] <Tuv0k> Vadi, you need to start from scratch
[18:55] <Tuv0k> !upgrade | Vadi
[18:55] <ubotu> Vadi: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:55] <Tuv0k> chalk it up as a learning experience
[18:55] <Vadi> Tuv0k: I don't have Ubuntu installed atm.
[18:55] <blekos> tuvok, did u manage to have a look?
[18:55] <Vadi> Tuv0k: It's gone, poof. I formatted the drive already
[18:55] <Tuv0k> I missed it
[18:56] <Tuv0k> Vadi, ok so reinstall
[18:56] <Vadi> Tuv0k: That's what I'm trying to do...
[18:56] <Vadi> Tuv0k: The installer is failing to install on a blank drive.
[18:56] <Tuv0k> I don't need a play by play;)
[18:56] <Tuv0k> thats not good
[18:56] <Tuv0k> failing how?
[18:56] <Vadi> It says ""The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed."" and brings me back to the patritioning menu.
[18:57] <Tuv0k> Bug #183968 | blekos
[18:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "mac80211 "master" interface matches existant persistent network rules" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183968
[18:58] <Tuv0k> blekos, seems to have been a fix released
[18:58] <Tuv0k> I'd follow that bug report, not the duplicates
[18:58] <Tuv0k> looks like Hardy is ready as far as that issue is concerned
[18:59] <Tuv0k> will it be perfection, course not
[19:00] <blekos> since i am a newbie and use my lap for business, does the fix release it's a plug and play fix (installed with the hardy)?
[19:00] <Tuv0k> blekos, ususally a fix release means that it will be pushed via updates
[19:01] <blekos> ok then
[19:01] <blekos> i think i'll give it a shot ;)
[19:01] <Tuv0k> blekos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/183968
[19:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "mac80211 "master" interface matches existant persistent network rules" [Critical,Fix released]
[19:02] <Tuv0k> last guy that posted 4/12/08 said he was doing fine
[19:02] <heartsblood> my xerver just crashed.
[19:02] <heartsblood> ...hard
[19:02] <Tuv0k> cool :-P
[19:02] <Tuv0k> what were you doing?
[19:02] <heartsblood> trying to play something in mplayer
[19:03] <Tuv0k> mplayer has been pissing me off lately
[19:04] <m1r> Tuv0k , tim1 , tnx guys, i installed openssh from local repo and now i can install desktop i hope with new sources.list
[19:04] <Tuv0k> np
[19:04] <Tuv0k> always get that ssh going
[19:04] <Tuv0k> if you can
[19:05] <Tuv0k> makes things a lot easier
[19:05] <m1r> yes, i was shocked as it didnt want install on inital instalation from local repo
[19:05] <m1r> tryed like 10 times
[19:05] <heartsblood> actually, I was trying to play something in mplayer, system locked up, then I switched to a (alt-f1; Is it called, tty term?), then switched back to the xserver (alt-f7) and all I have a pretty black screen that prints ^[^H every time I hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[19:05] <nDuff> ...ahh, much better; evidently an issue with the FF3b5 release, as using the current nightly fixes firebug.
[19:06] <canhas> heartsblood: you install on an external drive?
[19:06] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, that sounds like a bug with video drivers or framed buffers
[19:06] <heartsblood> canhas: nope, old ide 80gb
[19:07] <heartsblood> smart says the drives fine though :x
[19:07] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, used to have that issue with my nvidia enabled box and fb, but I fixed it
[19:07] <heartsblood> Tuv0k: fb?
[19:07] <Tuv0k> frame buffer
[19:07] <canhas> heartsblood: well, you can sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, startx, from tty1, but that's a temp fix.
[19:07] <heartsblood> Tuv0k: I know what it stands for, how is it broken you think?
[19:07] <Tuv0k> oh soryy
[19:07] <heartsblood> no offense
[19:08] <Tuv0k> I don't know, I was just saying, something to look for as a known issue
[19:08] <heartsblood> Just curious though, I have the latest nonfree nvidia drivers in the hardy apt source.  Think the driver is bad?
[19:08] <Tuv0k> generally something like that, I google the behavior to see if I'm the only one
[19:08] <Tuv0k> then if I find similar bugs I hunt them donw
[19:08] <Tuv0k> down
[19:08] <heartsblood> what about this
[19:09] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, because of similar experiences I always now prefer to use nvidia drivers straight from nvidia, using their install script
[19:09] <Tuv0k> and compile them on my box
[19:09] <Tuv0k> no issues since
[19:09] <Tuv0k> not saying you have to
[19:09] <Tuv0k> but thats my mo
[19:09] <heartsblood> see that's what I use to do in debian and I never had trouble, but I was told that was a bad idea when I switched to ubuntu
[19:09] <canhas> Er, Hardy's installer works pretty good actualy.
[19:10] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, go with your instinct
[19:10] <canhas> you can compile yourself, you'll just also have to either edit xorg.conf or run nvidia's config program, which i don't trust
[19:10] <Tuv0k> I don't listen to the mantra in ubuntu, I just use ubuntu
[19:10] <canhas> !worksforme | Tuv0k
[19:10] <ubotu> Tuv0k: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[19:10] <heartsblood> Canhas: what's wrong with the config program?  Just some xorg.conf editing right?  Nothing I havn't done before
[19:10] <heartsblood> "nv" "nvdia" etc
[19:11] <Tuv0k> !manners | canhas
[19:11] <ubotu> canhas: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:11] <Tuv0k> I know dude
[19:11] <canhas> Tuv0k: just playing mate :P
[19:11] <heartsblood> that time of the month boys?
[19:11] <Tuv0k> I'm having a one on one with a debian user, I think he gets it , mate;-P
[19:11] <heartsblood> :)
[19:11] <tim1> Ok. I'm leaving. I really enjoyed talking to you. Goodbye. :)
[19:11] <LucidFox> I have just upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy
[19:11] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, my left ball does hurt right now, weird
[19:11] <LucidFox> and nautilus doesn't start
[19:11] <heartsblood> lol
[19:11] <canhas> heartsblood: in theory nothing, but the current version of xorg is a little shaky with things like aticonfig and nvidia-config or whatever it's called
[19:12] <LucidFox> nautilus: symbol lookup error: nautilus: undefined symbol: eel_art_irect_empty
[19:12] <Tuv0k> :-P
[19:12] <heartsblood> I never remember nvidia-config working.  I always hand edited xfree
[19:13] <Tuv0k> nvidia-xconfig works for me, I just don't like the way it leaves the xorg.conf
[19:13] <heartsblood> aye
[19:13] <LucidFox> any ideas at all?
[19:13] <heartsblood> maybe that's why I didn't like it
[19:13] <heartsblood> havn't used it in awhile ><
[19:13] <heartsblood> time to go fetch some new drivers.
[19:13] <Tuv0k> LucidFox, nuke the gnome2 folder? in home?
[19:14] <Tuv0k> restart gnome
[19:14] <LucidFox> how would that help, if it's an undefined symbol in the executable itself?
[19:14] <^Ocean^> Okay,  So i upgraded too Hardy,  and every thing seem too go okay, but I have too issues, issue A)  The new kernel will not boot on my computer  it just hangs at Loading Hardware Drivers.   And issue B) is when I log into gnome,  it starts too log in,  then resets X and brings me back too the log in prompt,  but loading Gnome-failsafe works
[19:14] <canhas> ^Ocean^: you have an ATI card don't you?
[19:14] <canhas> ^Ocean^: or an acer laptop
[19:14] <^Ocean^> nope
[19:14] <^Ocean^> Nvidia
[19:14] <canhas> no acer laptop either?
[19:15] <^Ocean^> and its a Desktop no laptop
[19:15] <Keithabuse> ^Ocean^, it happens alot to me too, I think you have to wait for the new nvidia packages.
[19:15] <canhas> Hm, ok then nevermidn :P
[19:15] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, use the nvidia drivers from Nvidia
[19:15] <WGGMk> Anyone have a crazy usplash screen going on when they are shutting down, logging off, suspending???
[19:15] <Keithabuse> each new kernel requires alot of new packages.
[19:15] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k, I am
[19:15] <Tuv0k> ouch!
[19:15] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, thats why I removed usplash
[19:16] <Tuv0k> I rather see the boot up and shutdown scripts anyway
[19:16] <Tuv0k> but yes
[19:16] <^Ocean^> Now I rmember that i had this problem once before when i first was  getting compiz running, and i remember there was somthing i had too append too the xorg.conf or a command some were i had too type to get compiz and nvidia too play with each other
[19:16] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: lol, it works fine booting up (im referring to just the default usplash screen btw) just when shutting down and stuff it goes crazy
[19:16] <AaronMT> Yeah its a little weird having a usplash on shutdown
[19:16] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, try a different kernel, and or remove the vga=XXX from the kernel line
[19:17] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k: Well the kernel worked just fine before the upgrade,  and the kernel that comes with the upgrade, wont boot my system
[19:17] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, my experience has been the usplash stuff is always funky during pre-release
[19:17] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, thats why I'd install differnt kernel version from the repos
[19:17] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: ive pieced it directly relating to the nvidia drivers.. it would be completely fine and work flawlessly untill I installed the nvidia drivers..
[19:18] <Tuv0k> the latest kernel is not always functional for me
[19:18] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k, well I tryed 4 diff kernel versions that all used too work,  with no avail
[19:18] <Tuv0k> I have had more than one issue using the latest kernel
[19:18] <canhas> ^Ocean^: that sounds like an update problem rather then a specific kernel error
[19:18] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: is there a way to just not use usplash on shutdown, log off, and suspend?
[19:18] <Tuv0k> sometimes the server kernel works and the generic does not for me
[19:18] <Tuv0k> its weird
[19:19] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, I don't know, thats why I just purged it completly
[19:19] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, that sounds bad
[19:19] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: hehe, thanks for letting me know im not alone =)
[19:19] <^Ocean^> canhas, yeah,  I remember there is somthing I needed too modify in the xorg.conf file...  but i dont remember what it was
[19:20] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, have you recompiled that nvidia driver since the update?
[19:20] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k, Yup
[19:20] <Tuv0k> hmm
[19:21] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, on both my boxes I nuked usplash, your not alone
[19:21] <WGGMk> such a sexy lil usplash theme i got too.. ill miss it..
[19:21] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, you could try startupmanager to manipulate the eye candy during the start/shutdown process
[19:21] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: been there
[19:21] <Tuv0k> ha
[19:21] <canhas> ^Ocean^: what's the error X gives you when it crashes?
[19:22] <^Ocean^> canhas, Good question
[19:22] <canhas> ^Ocean^: it should really say
[19:23] <^Ocean^> hmm, well i just tryed somthing  let me reset and check the logs
[19:24] <heartsblood> what's the ubuntu pacakge name that contains the nvidia non-free driver? nvidia-glx?
[19:25] <Tuv0k> !nvidia
[19:25] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:25] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, don't remember
[19:25] <Tuv0k> I always just apt-cache search nvida
[19:25] <Tuv0k> or search synaptic
[19:26] <Tuv0k> the name has changed so much, I can never keep up
[19:26] <heartsblood> synaptic is the apt gui right?
[19:26] <Tuv0k> yup
[19:26] <Tuv0k> one of the, the best imo
[19:26] <Tuv0k> !packages
[19:26] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[19:27] <Tuv0k> !Synaptic
[19:27] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[19:27] <LucidFox> never mind, problem solved :)
[19:27] <Tuv0k> good
[19:28] <Tuv0k> what'd you do?
[19:28] <Tuv0k> thx
[19:28] <ghaleb> hello, i have upgraded my system to Hadry Heron, but a bug comes up, my keyboard stop writing while the system is functionally normally , I 'm using HP laptop
[19:28] <AaronMT> ugh whats with video playback flickering like mad when compiz is enabled
[19:29] <Vadi> AaronMT: There is an option in CCSM to have a fix for that, I believe
[19:30] <AaronMT> What would it be called any idea?
[19:31] <Vadi> AaronMT: I don't remember, and can't check right now. Try looking in the utilities section
[19:33] <AaronMT> Ah I found a fix in VLC for it, change output model to X11
[19:34] <^Ocean^> okay, so i got my video drivers working again,  but now when I log in, there is no window Manager running
[19:35] <^Ocean^> I can manual run metacity --replace  but it kills all the Eye Candy from glz
[19:35] <^Ocean^> glx
[19:40] <KEB1> ive a question: why i need a password to chek the new updates? and i have the feeling, if a press cancel "he" load the files new again
[19:40] <Tuv0k> rephrase please?
[19:40] <Tuv0k> -!root
[19:40] <Tuv0k> !root
[19:40] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[19:41] <Tuv0k> !sudo
[19:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root").  I need to completely shut down xserver...
[19:51] <x1250> CTRL+ALT+BCK_SPACE
[19:51] <x1250> when on gdm
[19:52] <talntid> doesn't that just re-load the window?
[19:52] <Keithabuse> ikonia, you back yet?
[19:52] <x1250> it loads gdm, but if you insist, then it doesn't
[19:56] <v0lksman> or you can CTRL+ALT+F2 and it will bring you to a CLI
[19:58] <canhas> CTRL+ALT+f2, and then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop , to shut down gdm
[19:58] <_Rambaldi_> what is the ls option to list by file types
[19:59] <blekos> tuvok seems like you were right. I installed hardy heron and my wireless seems to work just fine. I am downloading the upgrades now ;)
[19:59] <Tuv0k> _Rambaldi_, you need way more details
[20:00] <Tuv0k> blekos, glad to hear it!
[20:00] <blekos> however my resolutions seems quite bad now nad cannot changed it yet. I'll try after the updates
[20:00] <_Rambaldi_> i want to ls files in a folder by type of file
[20:00] <blekos> maybe i'llhave 2 bother you again :p
[20:00] <Tuv0k> please do:)
[20:00] <hischild> _Rambaldi_, perhaps man ls?
[20:00] <Tuv0k> _Rambaldi_, man ls
[20:01] <Tuv0k> hischild, :)
[20:01] <hischild> Tuv0k, beat ya to it :p
[20:01] <Tuv0k> ha
[20:01] <_Rambaldi_> i am looking through now but nothign there
[20:01] <hischild> _Rambaldi_, what i'm wondering about is what you want to list it by. Linux doesn't really use file types
[20:02] <Tuv0k> its totally there
[20:03] <canhas> hischild: maybe he means extensions
[20:04] <Tuv0k> --file-type  likewise, except do not append `*'
[20:04] <Tuv0k> from the manpage
[20:04] <hischild> canhas, i know. that's why i said that ubuntu doesn't use it. It only uses file types which are defined by the file's content
[20:04] <Tuv0k> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ls
[20:05] <Tuv0k> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ls
[20:06] <Tuv0k> ctrl-f and serach 'type'
[20:06] <Tuv0k> !google
[20:06] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[20:14] <hwilde> why is dd running, and why is it taking up 40% of my cpu ?
[20:14] <smallfoot-> eek
[20:15] <smallfoot-> dd is creepy, dont mess with it, if you dont know what it is
[20:15] <hwilde> but it's bogging down my system
[20:15] <hwilde> wtf is it even running
[20:15] <smallfoot-> dd shouldnt be running
[20:15] <smallfoot-> you're not making an ISO or something?
[20:15] <hwilde> no I just booted up
[20:15] <Flannel> hwilde: whats the command that its doing?
[20:15] <hwilde> I can't do anything it's so sloq
[20:15] <smallfoot-> oh, very strange...
[20:16] <smallfoot-> does it say what command it is running, like 'dd -f sdf asd'
[20:16] <smallfoot-> or it just say 'dd' ?
[20:16] <Flannel> hwilde: ps aux | grep dd
[20:16] <hwilde> /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:16] <hwilde> load average 4.74 wow
[20:16] <smallfoot-> if reads /proc/kmsg and writes it to /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:17] <hwilde> what is this kmsg
[20:17] <hwilde> 59% cpu now :/
[20:17] <smallfoot-> should be some messages, from the kernel, i think
[20:18] <smallfoot-> root      5046  0.0  0.0   1872   536 ?        S    14:52   0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:18] <smallfoot-> i have this in my system too
[20:18] <smallfoot-> so its normal
[20:18] <smallfoot-> but it shouldnt eat all cpu
[20:18] <smallfoot-> for me, it eats none
[20:18] <hwilde> oh i see..  it's scrolling pci errors in kmsg
[20:18] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:19] <askand> I decided to upgrade from gutsy and when the update-manager had fetched about half of the files, my internet broke..how can I continue the upgradeprocess as painless as possible? I think I have to reboot..
[20:19] <smallfoot-> mine looks rather quiet
[20:19] <hwilde> eth2: PCI error 0x800000
[20:19] <smallfoot-> askand, dont know
[20:19] <mvo> askand: if you just run "update-manager -d" again, all should be fine
[20:19] <smallfoot-> eth2 is network ethernet card #3, i think
[20:20] <mvo> askand: quit the current running release-upgrader of course first :)
[20:20] <smallfoot-> you have 3 network cards?
[20:20] <askand> mvo: oyea :) I will try thanks :)
[20:20] <mvo> askand: the already downloaded stuff will not be redownloaded
[20:20] <hwilde> yes, I have three network cards
[20:20] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:20] <hwilde> is that out of scope for the ubuntu project :p
[20:20] <smallfoot-> no, 3 should work, it shoudlnt be a problem
[20:21] <hwilde> ahhh the network manager
[20:21] <hwilde> I hate that thing!
[20:21] <hwilde> now it's ok
[20:21] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:21] <smallfoot-> strange
[20:22] <hwilde> I guess it's no longer trying to mess with eth2
[20:22] <smallfoot-> ya
[20:22] <smallfoot-> maybe eth2 is broken? idk... if it only mess with that, and not eth0 and eth1
[20:22] <smallfoot-> i think you can see the error messages, if you look in /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:22] <hwilde> eth2: PCI error 0x800000
[20:22] <smallfoot-> it repeats that alot?
[20:23] <hwilde> uhh 59% of my cpu worth
[20:23] <smallfoot-> hehe
[20:23] <smallfoot-> i guess it like floods that error all the time?
[20:23]  * hwilde stares at smallfoot-
[20:23] <smallfoot-> im not sure exactly what that error means, but you could try to google it
[20:24] <smallfoot-> or if get the problem again, you could try without the network card, or with another one, maybe its damaged (ESD static discharge or something)
[20:28] <linkinxp> hello guys where i can find a little tool with graphical Upload and Download information?
[20:36] <wolf4914> Does anyone have nvidia drivers working in dual head ?
[20:37] <hwilde> yep
[20:37] <LiraNuna> yes
[20:37] <LiraNuna> use nvidia-settings
[20:37] <LiraNuna> works like a charm
[20:38] <wolf4914> hmm _ I have low graphics mode after update
[20:38] <wolf4914> log says could not find the module
[20:38] <LiraNuna> works here, weird
[20:38] <hwilde> what module?
[20:39]  * icanhasa poke icanhasa
[20:40] <wolf4914> EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[20:40] <wolf4914> In restricted drivers it says drivers in use
[20:40] <LiraNuna> try reinstalling ?
[20:41] <LiraNuna> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[20:41] <wolf4914> reinstalling the system?
[20:41] <orvokki> LiraNuna: Why nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-glx-new?
[20:41] <LiraNuna> orvokki, depends on his card etc
[20:41] <orvokki> Nvidia-glx has ancient drivers.
[20:41] <wolf4914> I have it all installed - I even tried beta drivers 178.08
[20:41] <joker2048_> !pastie Hi!
[20:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastie hi! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:41] <wolf4914> I have 6600
[20:42] <orvokki> Nvidia-glx-new should be fine with it.
[20:42] <cpk1> i have a 6600 using new just fine
[20:42] <orvokki> I have it too.
[20:42] <wolf4914> right - and it did work fine before update lolz
[20:42] <icanhasa> Why in the world does the bluetooth module automatically install and automatically load with boot in hardy?
[20:43] <cpk1> for all those idiot businessmen who were only able to get a business degree
[20:43] <icanhasa> wolf4914: what exactly is the problem?
[20:43] <wolf4914> nvidia drivers will not load
[20:43] <wolf4914> for some reason
[20:43] <joker2048_> hey all, i want to compile openvz into my existing HardyHeron beta. During compiling the kernel the following error comes up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63457/
[20:43] <orvokki> wolf4914: Do you have restricted drivers for your kernel installed?
[20:43] <wolf4914> yes
[20:43] <x1250> cpk1: "ease of use", I prefer debian's way though. You want it, you install it.
[20:44] <orvokki> Does lsmod|grep nvidia display the module?
[20:44] <cpk1> I like that way better too =\
[20:44] <x1250> when I installed hardy I did a massive cleanup
[20:44] <wolf4914> with API mismatch yes
[20:44] <orvokki> Sorry, what?
[20:45] <topyli> icanhasa: i suppose the bluetooth module is loaded so that our bluetooth devices would work :)
[20:45] <muszek> hi... I dist-upgraded to hardy on my new VPS.  I did it from a minimal (~100MB) image of gutsy... and the problem is that ssh doesn't start on boot... how do I fix that?
[20:45] <muszek> I mean I installed Ubuntu  from that image and then dist-upgraded
[20:46] <icanhasa> topyli: seriously, what percentage of people use bluetooth devices by defauly?
[20:46] <negge> anyone else having problems burning DVDs in hardy?
[20:46] <jbroome> muszek: is it installed?
[20:47] <negge> didn't work with Nero, not with Brasero and not with Imgburn from inside my virtual XP machine
[20:47] <joker2048_> any idea regarding my openvz thing?
[20:47] <topyli> icanhasa: 100% of topylies do, i don't have reliable statistics of all users
[20:47] <x1250> muszek: I guess you need to # update-rc.d sshd defaults
[20:47] <x1250> or ssh, I don't remember right now
[20:48] <icanhasa> topyli: I see. touche :D
[20:48] <muszek> jbroome: yeah, I need to log in to that VPS web-based control panel, fire up console from there and start ssh manually (/etc/init.d/ssh start)
[20:48] <x1250> it shouldn't be necessary though, unless ubuntu guys had make that bad call.
[20:48] <topyli> icanhasa: lots of people have phones though, that's quite a few users right there
[20:49] <akio> ok
[20:49] <akio> where can i find all the major differences between gutsy and hardy?
[20:49] <akio> like a listing of the freezes and major features and stuff
[20:49] <bews1> Is there a way to download and install just the latest packages from the beta instead of downloading a beta CD that's already outdated and installing from that?
[20:49] <muszek> x1250: muszek@alpha:/etc$ update-rc.d ssh defaults
[20:49] <muszek>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist.
[20:49] <icanhasa> topyli: I understand installation. but to load that module on every boot automatically is just a waste of memory. really.
[20:50] <akio> almost like a distrowatch version lineup
[20:50] <icanhasa> bews1: You can download a nightly/daily build of hardy.
[20:50] <x1250> muszek: something on daemons.log?
[20:50] <topyli> icanhasa: yeah it has to be at least two kilobytes!
[20:50] <bews1> icanhasa: I did that yesterday, and it ended up referencing different repos from the beta!
[20:50] <jbroome> if you're that low on ram, then damn
[20:50] <x1250> daemon.log, maybe it says something
[20:50] <icanhasa> bews1: never ran into that. sorry :/
[20:51] <akio> bews1: you can download the alternate cd and install from text mode
[20:51] <bews1> akio: sure.  That doesn't make the packages any more up-to-date
[20:51] <akio> it only installs a very base system, then you can upgrade from servers
[20:51] <bews1> In fact, I always use the alternate
[20:51] <bews1> Oh, I see.
[20:51] <kona> Hi All - Is the installing Hardy Heron on a Dell that I already partitioned - At partioning screen - not sure which is best choice - This will be a dual boot w/M$oft - there is 28GB's free for the Hardy Heron install - Which option would be best to choose?
[20:52] <muszek> x1250: http://pastebin.us/?show=m7dd485b6 (grepped for ssh - didn't get any  lines)
[20:52] <bews1> Thanks; I want a default installation, so I'll just use the beta CD and live with the wait
[20:52] <x1250> I heard there was a minimal ubuntu install image, something like netinstall on debian, is that true?
[20:52] <bews1> x1250: yes, but it
[20:52] <bews1> is broken for Hardy!
[20:52] <x1250> :)
[20:53] <x1250> I would prefer that kind of installation, its much better for me
[20:53] <kona> Shouldv I use "Guided - Use largest continious free space" ?
[20:53] <bews1> x1250: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/217069
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217069 in ubuntu "minimal install cd checksum failure" [Undecided,New]
[20:53] <akio> i used it
[20:54] <akio> its broken as it can only install lilo, and the gnome packages are broken
[20:54] <bews1> akio: is the checksum embedded in the CD or downloaded as part of the process?
[20:54] <jbroome> kona: basic installation and partitioning questions are better answered in #ubuntu
[20:54] <bews1> Oh, that's bad.  I need grub
[20:54] <akio> the checksum sorta "is" the cd
[20:54] <x1250> muszek: take a look to the init.d/ssh script and see what is doing
[20:55] <davisc> I'm having a problem I'm finding very difficult to diagnose. 2.6.24-12 worked fine, but 2.6.24-15 and -16 hang at the Ubuntu graphic for about 3 minutes and then the screen goes black. I can SSH into it but nothing seems wrong - it just won't boot >:-(
[20:55] <akio> but i used the amd64 version
[20:55] <bews1> akio: if the checksum gets downloaded, the problem might've gone away
[20:55] <akio> the cd works
[20:55] <akio> mostly
[20:55] <akio> it definitely aint for the faint-hearted
[20:56] <kona> jbroo_e: Wasn't sure - have asked a few questions in that channel and was told to come over to this one - because it is Hardy Heron...
[20:56] <muszek> x1250: I don't understand where are you going with this... manually doing '/etc/init.d/ssh start' works
[20:56] <jbroome> kona: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot?action=show&redirect=WindowsDualBootHowTo#head-0baa8f105578b2a8d17b00ee1d5534475cc1c868
[20:56] <muszek> x1250: could uninstalling (with purge) and installing again help?
[20:57] <ghaleb> hello, I have a bug, my keyboard stop responding if I move from window to window, I'm using ubuntu hardy
[20:57] <bews1> muszek: uninstalling what?
[20:57] <x1250> davisc: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and delete "quiet splash" from the kernel line you have problems with. Comment "hiddenmenu" line also
[20:57] <muszek> bews1: ssh
[20:57] <x1250> then reboot and take a look
[20:58] <x1250> only delete "quiet splash" from the line, not the entire line
[20:58] <x1250> muszek: probably
[20:58] <muszek> x1250: ok.  thanks for your help.
[20:59] <bews1> OK, I guess my strategy for a clean beta install is: install from the daily CD, which allows grub and lvm to coexist.  Then change sources.list to match what's on the beta cd.  Sheesh
[20:59] <christoz> Hello...
[20:59] <christoz>  My question is ...let's say i have a sound related program(Amarok) named which using the A mixer and another program (VOIP..Skype Actually))using the  B mixer ..can these tow mixers work-blending together and simultaneously ?
[20:59] <x1250> bews1: problematic kernel line should look something like this
[20:59] <christoz> I'm using ubuntu-Hardy
[20:59] <x1250> -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=3edd5679-635f-4f89-8081-08b268f2cdc8 ro
[20:59] <Flannel> bews1: There are no beta repositories, the snapshots (daily, alpha, whatever) exist only in the CDs themselves
[20:59] <x1250> then reboot and see whats going on
[21:00] <christoz> Amarok cannot play music while i'm in voice call
[21:00] <x1250> christoz: try pulseaudio. System -> prefs -> sound
[21:00] <ghaleb> please, any help! this problem really annoying .I can't use my keyboard correctly!
[21:01] <orvokki> Everyone know which day it is tomorrow? ;>
[21:01] <christoz> x1250 Skype doesn't use pulseaudio but a modified mod for it...actually eses alsa mixer ..
[21:01] <orvokki> That's right, the Release Candidate day. \o/
[21:02] <christoz> x1250 what should i do from there?
[21:02] <x1250> christoz: ok, but using skype alsa and amarok with pulseaudio works?
[21:02] <christoz> x1250 nope
[21:03] <sailaway85> I dont seem to be able to download vmware  player from site... trying for 3 days now ... is there an alternative
[21:03] <x1250> you have to select pulseaudio from the dropdown menus
[21:03] <christoz> x1250 the result is crash
[21:03] <x1250> result of what?
[21:03] <christoz> x1250  ok wait..
[21:04] <x1250> sailaway85: virtualbox
[21:04] <x1250> http://www.virtualbox.org/
[21:04] <Pelo> afternoon folks ,  my removable media no longer auto mounts since the last update (usb-flash and cd/dvd) , am I the only one ?
[21:04] <sailaway85> I want to try vmware better file exchange
[21:05] <bews1> Flannel: what I mean by "beta repo" is the place that is in the sources.list after you install the beta.
[21:05] <bews1> x1250: what do I do with that kernel line?
[21:05] <x1250> sailaway85: what do you mean by file exchange?
[21:05] <Pelo> sailaway85, I don'T think there is a vmware for this kernel yet
[21:06] <sailaway85> Pelo: read somewhere files can be seen on win network
[21:07] <^Ocean^> ccsm wont run , I gives me "ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/compizconfig.so: undefined symbol: ccsEdgesToStringList"
[21:07] <x1250> bews1: you had the problem with the kernel? Search for the "hiddenmenu" line and comment it (#hiddenmenu). Then delete "quiet splash" from the kernel line you have problems with... and reboot
[21:07]  * Pelo his been having mounting issues ever since he upgraded to the beta ...
[21:07] <bews1> "the problem with the kernel?"  Maybe you have me confused with someone else
[21:07] <x1250> that should show you every little thing that happens at boot
[21:07] <sailaway85> Pelo: thanks... am running virtualbox but its for gutsy
[21:07] <x1250> aa bews1, yeah