[00:04] <pgraner> Can't login after updates today, getting the Nautilus bar only across the top of the screen...
[00:08] <jbicha> pgraner: are you sure you have all of Unity? you could try update & dist-upgrading again
[00:09] <jbicha> or try logging into a different desktop environment; I'm using Gnome Shell at the moment
[00:09] <pgraner> jbicha, just did it 2 min ago, this has been an ongoing prob since yesterday
[00:09] <pgraner> was looking for some help from the desktop guys to debug
[00:10] <jbicha> have you tried seeing if gdm does any better than lightdm?
[00:10] <jbicha> and are you using a proprietary graphics driver?
[00:11] <pgraner> jbicha, no all intel
[00:11] <pgraner> jbicha, gdm is not installed anymore
[00:12] <jbicha> pgraner: ah, I have intel too, you can install gdm if you like & switch between them with
[00:12] <jbicha> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[00:13] <pgraner> jbicha, not quite what I'm after, this is part of the canonical QA testing and was looking for help as I can rero the bug on demand
[00:13] <jbicha> right, gdm wouldn't necessarily fix it either
[00:14] <micahg> intel w/unity greeter to log into Xubuntu works for me
[00:15] <pgraner> micahg, this is going into unity, I see the launcher draw then flash then the nautilus menu bar draws and nothing else, all the nautilus menus are operative but you can't really do anything
[00:15]  * micahg can try to log into unity in a minute
[00:24] <micahg> pgraner: sorry, have a problem upgrading ATM to the latest packages, will need to troubleshoot later
[00:24] <pgraner> micahg, thx
[02:30] <jbicha> mdeslaur: are you sure that pkexec doesn't work in a .desktop? it seems to work for me without needing a separate helper
[03:10] <mdeslaur> jbicha: I couldn't get any suid binary to work from a .desktop file...I even tried setting gedit suid for a test, and it wouldn't start either
[03:10] <mdeslaur> jbicha: you're trying on oneiric?
[03:18] <jbicha> mdeslaur: yes, for Synaptic, I removed /usr/bin/pkexec-synaptic, edited the .desktop to just call pkexec synaptic
[03:19] <jbicha> and ran sudo update-desktop-database
[03:20] <mdeslaur> jbicha: hmm...let me try again, one sec
[03:21] <mdeslaur> jbicha: hmm...not working for me...I'm clicking the desktop file in unity, and I'm clicking it in a nautilus window opened to /usr/share/applications and no dice
[03:23] <mdeslaur> jbicha: how are you launching the desktop file?
[03:27] <jbicha> mdeslaur: from Gnome Shell's app menu thing
[03:27] <jbicha> let me try it in Unity though
[03:29] <jbicha> ok, didn't work in Unity, I'm going to reboot
[03:34] <jbicha> mdeslaur: ok, it doesn't work after reboot so there must have been some sort of caching going on, never mind
[03:34] <mdeslaur> jbicha: it's possible that gnome shell doesn't apply the same restrictions as nautilus used to do
[03:35] <mdeslaur> jbicha: oh, you mean even in gnome shell after a reboot?
[03:35] <jbicha> oh, wait, let me try one more time; I was using gdm this time which doesn't set the correct $PATH
[03:35] <jbicha> I should just fix that $PATH bug, but anyway...
[03:39] <jbicha> ok, it does work in gnome shell even after a reboot, but it doesn't work in Unity
[03:40] <mdeslaur> jbicha: how about opening a nautilus window to /usr/share/applications and clicking on it?
[03:40] <jbicha> I did notice that pkexec works differently in Unity, in Unity it is themed, not modal, and gives multiple tries
[03:41] <mdeslaur> oh! I think gnome-shell implements it's own policykit authentication dialog!
[03:41] <mdeslaur> that's what's different
[03:41] <jbicha> and it doesn't work in Nautilus either
[03:43] <jbicha> I wish pkexec gedit would work so that it could replace gksudo entirely
[03:47] <mdeslaur> well, you can do something like "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY gedit"
[03:47] <mdeslaur> write a little wrapper to do that
[03:53] <kenvandine> hey DBO...
[03:53] <DBO> oh no
[03:54] <kenvandine> DBO, do you by chance know if setting the renderer for a category is just ignored?
[03:54] <kenvandine> in a lens?
[03:54] <DBO> no idea
[03:54] <kenvandine> the gwibber lens used to use the horizonal tile, and trying to set that now it just ignores it...
[03:54] <kenvandine> ok... i'll beat njpatel down in the morning :)
[03:54] <DBO> ask neil
[03:55] <kenvandine> i've got the gwibber lens mostly working against the new libunity :)
[03:56] <DBO> ive damn near lost my sanity
[03:56] <kenvandine> me too!
[03:56] <kenvandine> completely new API landing on FF day!
[03:56] <DBO> uhm
[03:56] <DBO> what do you guys expect?
[03:56] <DBO> seriously
[03:56] <DBO> you tell us there is a hard freeze
[03:56] <kenvandine> i know ;)
[03:56] <DBO> so we land shit in whatever state we must
[03:57] <kenvandine> but now all the lens authors have to rush to port :)
[03:57] <DBO> yep
[03:57] <DBO> well
[03:57] <DBO> nothing could be done
[03:57] <DBO> the work was more than could be done sanely
[03:57] <kenvandine> yeah, it's a huge change
[03:57] <DBO> have you tried out the alt-tab?
[03:57] <kenvandine> i think i grok the new stuff though
[03:57] <kenvandine> yeah!
[03:57] <kenvandine> i love it!
[03:58] <DBO> :)
[03:58] <DBO> Im glad
[03:58] <kenvandine> love love love love it!
[03:58] <DBO> any complaints?
[03:58] <DBO> Im still polishing
[03:58] <DBO> (i have a branch with blur btw)
[03:59] <kenvandine> what does it blur? everything else?
[03:59] <DBO> behind itself
[04:00] <ajmitch> kenvandine: so you're the person to talk to about what's changed in lenses? :)
[04:01] <kenvandine> hehe... not really
[04:01] <kenvandine> i can pretend to know
[04:01] <kenvandine> :)
[04:01] <kenvandine> scopes... lenses can chain themselves now
[04:01] <kenvandine> which is damn cool
[04:01]  * ajmitch hasn't even looked at what's changed yet
[04:01] <kenvandine> i just ported the gwibber lens
[04:02] <kenvandine> mostly
[04:04]  * ajmitch has a lens that didn't really get 'finished' for natty
[04:04] <kenvandine> porting is pretty massive
[04:04] <kenvandine> almost a rewrite... :/
[04:05] <ajmitch> unity-2d & 3d share the same lens code?
[04:05] <kenvandine> yes
[04:05]  * ajmitch only has oneiric in virtualbox at the moment :)
[04:05] <kenvandine> took me longer to port it than it did when i rewrote it in vala
[04:06] <ajmitch> heh
[04:06] <ajmitch> how much of that was due to the documentation not being there yet?
[04:06] <kenvandine> a fair bit
[04:06] <kenvandine> but i also changed 80% of the code
[04:07] <kenvandine> simplified though...
[04:07] <kenvandine> removed more than i added :)
[04:07] <kenvandine> which is nice
[04:07] <ajmitch> that's good
[04:07] <kenvandine> you can have scopes that feed info into other lenses
[04:08] <kenvandine> and a lens that aggregates scopes
[04:08] <kenvandine> etc
[04:08] <ajmitch> so existing lenses need to be ported, and won't load on oneiric right now?
[04:08] <kenvandine> right
[04:08] <kenvandine> won't even build
[04:08]  * ajmitch started writing a lens to search LP, in python
[04:08] <kenvandine> still needs porting ;)
[04:08] <ajmitch> yep
[04:08] <kenvandine> that would be a cool lens
[04:09] <kenvandine> a nice thing now is you don't end up with a bunch of launchers for them
[04:09] <ajmitch> it was limited, could just look up people, projects & bugs by #
[04:09] <kenvandine> they are all in the dash
[04:09] <ajmitch> searching bugs across all projects wasn't supported by the LP API, I need to check that again
[04:10] <ajmitch> well, any tips on porting are welcome :)
[04:10] <ajmitch> but I think I'll just need to dive in & do it
[04:10] <jbicha> yes, I think there were too many launcher items by default in Natty so this helps
[04:11] <kenvandine> ajmitch, i looked at unity-lens-files as reference
[04:11] <kenvandine> and
[04:11] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~njpatel/unity-lens-files/unity-lens-files/+merge/70475
[04:11] <kenvandine> which is full of noise
[04:11] <ajmitch> full of s/Place/Lens/
[04:14] <ajmitch> so all of the model-related code has changed?
[04:14] <kenvandine> yup
[04:15] <kenvandine> most of it is just gone now
[04:15] <kenvandine> you really just deal with the results_model
[04:15] <ajmitch> I see what you mean about complete rewrite then
[05:40] <didrocks> good morning
[05:41] <RAOF_> Hey didrocks!
[05:42] <didrocks> hey RAOF_! how are you?
[05:42] <RAOF_> Pretty good.  It's almost the weekend!
[05:42] <RAOF_> Although my system's seen better days.  Feature Freeze has taken its toll.
[05:42] <RAOF_> Incidentally, could you stop oneconf-query from popping apport up every 5 minutes? :)
[05:43] <didrocks> RAOF_: urgh, really? do you have a backtrace?
[05:44] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oneconf/+bug/824844 ?
[05:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 824844 in oneconf "oneconf-query crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.553 was not provided by any .service files" [Undecided,New]
[05:44] <RAOF_> http://paste2.org/p/1579931
[05:44] <RAOF_> didrocks, Yeah that one.
[05:44] <didrocks> hum, why? :/
[05:44] <RAOF_> The same one that prevents software-centre from doing anything.
[05:44] <didrocks> there is a service file…
[05:45] <RAOF_> I'm prepared to bet that there's not a service file providing the name :1.553 :)
[05:45] <didrocks> RAOF_: so, if you run oneconf-query --update in a terminal, it crashes?
[05:46] <didrocks> RAOF_: well, I'm using the well-known name
[05:46] <RAOF_> Yup.
[05:46]  * didrocks needs to update
[05:46] <RAOF_> Software-centre and oneconf-service also crash, let me check oneconf-service's backtrace.
[05:46] <didrocks> maybe ubuntu sso or whatever
[05:46] <didrocks> RAOF_: can you try to start the daemon?
[05:47] <didrocks> /usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-service --debug
[05:47] <RAOF_> http://paste2.org/p/1579939
[05:47] <didrocks> ahah!
[05:48] <didrocks> RAOF_: your ~/.cache/oneconf/<id> is empty, isn't it?
[05:48] <RAOF_> GARGHHIDNOUHOE.
[05:48] <didrocks> do you have a weird wallpaper? :p
[05:48] <RAOF_> The new alt-tab is pessimised for alt tabbing between IRC and terminals.
[05:49] <RAOF_> ~/.cache/oneconf/f65e1b8095aec451664adc810222b3e7 is an empty directory.
[05:50] <didrocks> ok, it seems it doesn't like your wallpaper :)
[05:50] <didrocks> what are you using? :)
[05:50] <RAOF_> The.. thingy.
[05:50] <RAOF_> Um, one of the standard ones.
[05:50] <didrocks> aweseome, I bet it's a lying png which is jpeg or the contrary
[05:50]  * didrocks adds debug, one sec
[05:50] <RAOF_> Oh, it's the contest one.
[05:51] <RAOF_> Which is a *set* of images, which changes over time.
[05:51] <RAOF_> So the setting probably doesn't point to an image at all, it probably points to some XML.
[05:52] <didrocks> RAOF_: ok, make sense
[05:52] <didrocks> RAOF_: uno memento, I'll ignore it in that case!
[05:54] <RAOF_> I see that the design team never feel the need to alt-tab between IRC and a specific terminal, while having multiple terminals open.
[05:55] <didrocks> RAOF_: I raised the point some weeks ago
[05:57] <RAOF_> That behaviour must change.
[05:58] <RAOF_> Gah.  It also doesn't always get stacking/focus right.  Sometimes it the window it raises doesn't have focus.
[05:58] <didrocks> RAOF_: that was already the case, isn't it?
[05:58] <didrocks> RAOF_: IIRC, it's a compiz issue
[05:59] <RAOF_> I don't recall running into it with the classic alt-tab.
[05:59] <didrocks> sorry, dist-upgrade here, computer slow as here for writing on disk ;)
[05:59] <RAOF_> Possibly because the new alt-tab is trying to raise two terminals, and give focus to one of them.
[05:59] <didrocks> I want to change my wallpaper before sending you the patch
[05:59] <RAOF_> Actually, strike that.
[05:59] <RAOF_> Compiz *deterministically* gives focus to the terminal *behind* the forground terminal.
[06:00] <RAOF_> That's suboptimal :)
[06:00] <lifeless> WIN
[06:00] <didrocks> RAOF_: time to ping smspillaz? ;)
[06:00] <lifeless> sorry, did I say that out loud ?
[06:00] <RAOF_> smspillaz, WE SUMMON YOU!
[06:03] <RAOF_> That behaviour is no less annoying once you've identified it :/
[06:03]  * RAOF_ restarts to move this system into the office.
[06:05] <didrocks> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/663984/ if you want to try to cure your host :)
[06:05] <didrocks> RAOF: apply it to /usr/share/oneconf/oneconf/hosts.py of course ;)
[06:08] <smspillaz> you know, if you ping me, bad things happen
[06:16] <didrocks> RAOF: FYI, OneConf fix uplaoded, thanks :-)
[06:20] <jbicha> didrocks: hey if you're not too busy piloting, would you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/ghex/ghex-2.90/+merge/71153
[06:36] <RAOF_> Man, I'm totally awesome.  Can I get compiz into a state where it won't draw anything but the lowermost window?  Of course I can!
[06:37] <smspillaz> RAOF_: steps to reproduce ?
[06:37] <didrocks> RAOF_: in case you didn't get the message I sent there to your evil twin, fix for oneconf is uploaded
[06:37]  * smspillaz is somewhat flooded with other stuff at the moment
[06:37] <RAOF_> smspillaz, Seems like enabling a bunch of plugins will do it.
[06:37] <smspillaz> RAOF_: don't enable plugins while unity is loaded
[06:38] <smspillaz> bad things will happen
[06:38] <RAOF_> smspillaz, Given my experience with the most recent compiz upload, I can imagine :)
[06:38] <RAOF_> smspillaz, Yeah, I've noticed.  But after compiz crashes, restarting it doesn't fix it either.
[06:38] <smspillaz> RAOF_: exactly, bad things will happen
[06:38] <smspillaz> unity can't be unloaded
[06:38] <RAOF_> Ok.  Scratch that bug, then.
[06:38] <smspillaz> loading other plugins will unload unity
[06:38] <smspillaz> and then reload it
[06:39] <RAOF_> But that breaks compiz *across restarts*?
[06:39] <smspillaz> RAOF_: don't worry, I have a million bugs for nouveau anyways
[06:39] <smspillaz> RAOF_: if it crashes while its unreparenting windows things get wonky
[06:39] <didrocks> jbicha: looking, waow dropping a lot of stuff! :)
[06:39] <RAOF_> That breaks things across *X server restarts*? :)
[06:40] <smspillaz> RAOF_: sounds like a bug in your applications
[06:40] <smspillaz> compiz doesn't keep state across X restarts
[06:40] <RAOF_> Unless the set of plugins I've got loaded breaks compiz.
[06:40] <smspillaz> post your config ?
[06:41] <didrocks> jbicha: is debian doing the same change? We generally avoid changing the packaging system if they didn't yet
[06:41] <RAOF_> What do you need for that?
[06:41] <smspillaz> to see what plugins you have ?
[06:41] <RAOF_> smspillaz, Yeah.
[06:42] <RAOF_> smspillaz, You know what?  How about I file a bug and let the apport hook do that work for me.
[06:42] <jbicha> didrocks: seb128 is the maintainer, maybe I should ask him? lol
[06:42] <smspillaz> the chances of me looking at the bug are extremely low
[06:43] <smspillaz> RAOF_: your bug is valuable and has been added to my queue
[06:43] <smspillaz> please hold
[06:43] <didrocks> jbicha: him, I think it's years he didn't update something in debian :-)
[06:43] <RAOF_> smspillaz, But I'll point you at the logs, which should contain my config, right?\
[06:43] <smspillaz> yes
[06:43] <didrocks> jbicha: you should ask on #debian-gnome, try to ping pochu
[06:43] <didrocks> jbicha: OFTC network
[06:43] <smspillaz> but like I said, I probably don't have time to look into it
[06:43] <didrocks> jbicha: otherwise, seems a nice work, you are working on updating nemiver?
[06:43] <jbicha> didrocks: hmm, you mean seb128 doesn't upload directly to debian these days?
[06:45] <didrocks> jbicha: debian-changes ML seems to tell so. I think he just append some changes in the debian-gnome vcs
[06:45] <jbicha> didrocks: nemiver seems up to date
[06:45] <jbicha> I'll try #debian-gnome
[06:46] <didrocks> jbicha: does it build against your new package with the ABI bump?
[06:46] <didrocks> jbicha: when you bump a soname, you have to check rdepends ;)
[06:46] <jbicha> oh, let me see
[06:46] <didrocks> otherwise, nemiver will dep on a libray we can't rebuild
[06:46] <didrocks> and the old binary package will be NBS
[06:46] <jbicha> right, I assumed there were no depends and forgot to check
[06:47] <didrocks> maybe a rebuild of nemiver is enough if the API didn't change
[06:47] <jbicha> upstream was talking like they intentionally wanted people to be able to run the gtk2 & gtk3 versions at the same time
[06:48] <jbicha> with the 2 different libraries but I think I'd rather avoid that if it's not needed
[06:48] <didrocks> jbicha: agreed, but that means that nemiver needs to work with gtk3
[06:50] <jbicha> ah, nemiver's last git commit from 5 days ago is supposed to provide ghex 2.90 compliance
[06:51] <didrocks> jbicha: should we maybe wait for next nemiver release then? or do you want to take a snapshot?
[06:53] <jbicha> I guess it depends on how long nemiver will take to do a normal release
[06:54] <didrocks> jbicha: anyway, I think it's better to avoid having more NBS, if you are ok, I'll pend the ghex sponsor on that
[06:55] <didrocks> jbicha: next Monday is the next GNOME release, so maybe you will have a tarball there ;)
[06:55] <didrocks> does it make sense?
[06:55] <jbicha> didrocks: yes, I agree
[06:56] <didrocks> jbicha: great, please note that I'm on holidays for the next two weeks, I'm setting the branch as WIP for now. It builds fine and works well though :)
[06:56] <didrocks> thanks a lot for working on this ;)
[06:57] <jbicha> didrocks: have a good holiday!
[06:57] <didrocks> jbicha: hoping that! :-)
[07:02] <RAOF_> Ok.  unity --reset gets me back to something that actually draws windows, but it seems to have got the stacking code utterly confused.
[07:02] <RAOF_> Time to restart!
[07:03] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:03] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[07:03] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks, rodrigo_ how are you guys this morning?
[07:03] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, rickspencer3
[07:05] <didrocks> good morning rickspencer3! I'm fine thanks :-) you?
[07:06] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I had madelines for breakfast, so really, in the scheme of things, I'm dong pretty well ;)
[07:08] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ahah, seems pretty easy to satisfy! :)
[07:09] <RAOF_> What determines the background colour of the new alt-tab switcher?
[07:09] <RAOF_> Because it can sometimes pick white, and then use white text.
[07:09] <didrocks> RAOF_: the same code that take it wrong in the dash :)
[07:10] <didrocks> RAOF_: the green backport is yellow, isn't it?
[07:10] <RAOF_> The green backport?
[07:11] <didrocks> background*
[07:13] <RAOF_> I still don't understand.  My desktop wallpaper is predominantly green, and my dash/alt-tab background is white.
[07:13] <RAOF_> I have no idea where it picks that colour from, only that it changes every now and then.
[07:15] <didrocks> RAOF_: I have yellow! :)
[07:15] <didrocks> RAOF_: I'll ping gord anyway, I have a test case for him :)
[07:16] <pitti> Good morning
[07:16] <RAOF_> Hey pitti
[07:17] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[07:18] <pitti> hey RAOF_, how are you?
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour! travel was alright?
[07:19] <RAOF_> pitti, Good.  Looking forward to a sleep in tomorrow!
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: travel was unsurprising indeed, had to jump from a power plug to another to be able to package unity and all the fuzz, but all went more or less smoothly ;)
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: you? how was the train? :)
[07:20] <pitti> RAOF_: heh, FF took its toll, I guess
[07:20] <pitti> didrocks: I'm still at the hackfest in Berlin, going back this evening
[07:21] <pitti> didrocks: nice job!
[07:21] <RAOF_> Actually, X has been quite civilised this time; all our major stuff landed well before FF.
[07:21]  * pitti currently downloading 200 MB of nightly updates, including the new unity goodness
[07:21]  * RAOF_ notes that "goodness" might need some disclaimers.
[07:21] <didrocks> pitti: oh right! how is it btw? stil good progress? :)
[07:22] <pitti> didrocks: bit of a setback yesterday; I had a working patch acked by two other people, but David didn't like it, so I need to re-do it now
[07:22] <pitti> but still good progress
[07:22] <pitti> last night we went to a nice Fondue dinner with all the guys
[07:22] <didrocks> oh great!
[07:22] <pitti> (yeah, while you guys were sweating for FF -- I felt a bit guilty!)
[07:22] <didrocks> pitti: heh, you entirely deserve some rests ;)
[07:23] <didrocks> rest*
[07:32] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[07:37] <jbicha> didrocks: I had the bright yellow background briefly, it was horrible
[07:38] <didrocks> jbicha: well, at least, it picks now the background :) wasn't the case in the tarball
[07:38] <jbicha> it was like that same crazy gold for the snap feature
[07:38] <RAOF_> Mmm.  This slightly-brown grey is pretty good.
[07:38] <didrocks> but I'll definitively ping gord
[07:38] <RAOF_> Maybe they're just checking to see what colours people protest about? :)
[07:39] <jbicha> haha, let's try this colour!
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, none of my lenses work since upgrading :(
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> they're all empty
[07:41] <RAOF_> The API changed, so everything's broken.
[07:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: check scrollback from a couple hours ago :)
[07:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: empty by default
[07:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: make a search
[07:43] <didrocks> empty it
[07:43] <didrocks> should work, isn't it?
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, that worked. thanks
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> that's not by design is it?
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> also, compiz lost my workspace settings :(
[07:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no, "known bug in the FF rush"
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> heh
[07:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: did you --reset?
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> i understand ;)
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, i didn't do --reset
[07:44] <didrocks> waow, concerning…
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> but my number of workspaces reset back to 4 after the upgrade
[07:44] <didrocks> nothing changed there
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> (from 6)
[07:44] <didrocks> the compiz upload is just about removing the new alt + tab, (and people have to --reset to see it)
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, nice. we have the new switcher by default now :)
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> this one is so much nicer than the old one
[07:45] <RAOF_> chrisccoulson, Use it for a while and you might disagree :(
[07:45] <RAOF_> Having said that, press the <down> button while alt-tabbing for more fun!
[07:46] <chrisccoulson> RAOF_ - i found the old one pretty much useless, especially when switching between a browser window and text editor whose contents look the same in a thumbnail ;)
[07:46] <chrisccoulson> oh, the down arrow is pretty cool
[07:47] <chrisccoulson> a bit obscure though ;)
[07:47] <RAOF_> chrisccoulson, Have two terminals and try switching between IRC and one of those terminals.
[07:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a bit of a pain
[07:47] <RAOF_> For bonus points, make both of those terminals fullscreen
[07:47] <jbicha> I don't think the down arrow works right with the crazy compiz keyboard shortcuts
[07:48] <jbicha> I wish the title for all open windows would show in alt-tab, I like to browse verbally & visually at the same time
[07:57] <chrisccoulson> it's a little confusing that the top-left corner now closes my window rather than opens the dash
[07:57] <chrisccoulson> that's going to cause some accidents whilst i relearn ;)
[07:58] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: I wonder if they might revert that if too many people can't handle that behavior changing
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, i'm sure people can handle it, it's just that the learning process is a destructive one ;)
[08:02] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:02] <seb128> how is everybody?
[08:02] <seb128> how is oneiric? how much did we break yesterday? ;-)
[08:03] <RAOF_> Lots!
[08:03] <rickspencer3> hey seb128
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:03] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:03]  * pitti hasn't restarted after this morning's dist-upgrade yet
[08:03] <seb128> RAOF: excellent, today will not be boring at least! ;-)
[08:04] <pitti> can I?
[08:04] <rickspencer3> heh
[08:04] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[08:04] <seb128> hey rickspencer3 pitti
[08:04]  * rickspencer3 goes to test on USB key
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, I will update my 10v first :p
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:05] <pitti> chrisccoulson: hacking furiously on g-i and pygobject :)
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> pitti - nice :)
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, is it normal that the window buttons in the panel are themed incorrectly?
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> or should i report that? :)
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> oh, and the workspace switcher animation is broken :(
[08:06]  * chrisccoulson hugs didrocks
[08:06] <RAOF_> chrisccoulson, Works here?
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> i keep bringing you problems ;)
[08:06] <RAOF_> Bug #825036 and bug #825029 don't work here, though :)
[08:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825036 in unity "Switching behaviour to a group is awkward" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825036
[08:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825029 in unity "When alt-tabbing to an application with multiple windows the focused window is not raised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825029
[08:06] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> RAOF_ - my animation appears briefly and then the thumbnails disappear, and the workspaces appear empty
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[08:07] <seb128> jibel seems to have been on a testing round
[08:07] <seb128> he filed quite some bugs already
[08:07] <RAOF_> chrisccoulson, Oh, yeah!  I swung around fast enough to not notice that!
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look and make sure he didn't already report my bugs
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm getting quite a list ;)
[08:08] <rodrigo__> need to run some urgent errands, so will be out for 2 hours or so, hopefully no more than that
[08:08] <rodrigo__> so, bbl
[08:09] <jibel> seb128, not testing just using, even if the word "using" is not really appropriate this morning
[08:09] <seb128> jibel, so seems like I should not upgrade ;-)
[08:09] <seb128> rodrigo__: ok, see you
[08:09] <rodrigo__> hey seb128
[08:10] <rodrigo__> seb128, hi and yes, see you in a bit
[08:10] <seb128> hey rodrigo__ ;-)
[08:10]  * rodrigo__ leaves
[08:10] <seb128> bye
[08:10] <jibel> seb128, if you use a single workspace, don't switch between apps and your graphics card is not intel, that's fine ;-)
[08:10] <seb128> jibel, ok
[08:10] <seb128> well I use several workspaces and applications on intel :p
[08:11] <seb128> so let's upgrade the 10v first
[08:11] <RAOF_> Or, alternatively have a really modern intel GPU.
[08:11] <seb128> I need to get work done today
[08:11] <seb128> well that box is an i5 and the gpu which comes with it
[08:11] <RAOF_> (My SandyBridge performance is still perfectly fine)
[08:12] <seb128> we should force half of dx to work on intel ;-)
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, the launcher keeps appearing under windows
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> or at least i think that's where it is
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> the dash seems to appear underneath windows too :/
[08:15] <RAOF_> Yeah, it's done that for me.
[08:15] <RAOF_> And alt-tab, too.
[08:15] <seb128> bouh, trying tb again
[08:15] <RAOF_> We've got a new and exciting set of stacking bugs.
[08:15] <seb128> the indicator indicators 204 emails in my unity box where the tb folders list indicates 109
[08:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ is there any way to get useful infos for such bugs?
[08:17] <RAOF_> Ah.  I see that unity still punishes those with the temerity to try to change the volume with indicator-sound.
[08:22] <pitti> RAOF_: you mean that the menu disappears once you click on the slider?
[08:23] <seb128> it tends to segfault the indicator and the unitypanel with it
[08:28] <seb128> mvo, hey ;-)
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, is update manager packages installation working for you?
[08:30] <mvo> hey seb128
[08:30] <didrocks> seb128: let me see, I used dist-upgrade
[08:30] <jbicha> seb128: update-manager has been broken for me since the apt transition this week
[08:30] <seb128> jbicha, in which way?
[08:31] <didrocks> hum, partial upgrade proposed
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, btw what would happen to the music lens without a working backend?
[08:31] <jbicha> clicking to install updates freezes the u-m interface
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, I just tend to close the dialog, and do upgrade
[08:31] <didrocks> seb128: there is a runtime check on banshee
[08:31] <seb128> jbicha, do you get an apport dialog for aptdaemon?
[08:31] <didrocks> seb128: and so, the lens deps on banshee
[08:31] <mvo> jbicha: anything on the terminal when this happens?
[08:31] <seb128> didrocks, what happens if it's not there?
[08:32] <didrocks> seb128: hum, which "it"?
[08:32] <didrocks> unity recommends the music lens
[08:32] <didrocks> and the music lens deps on banshee
[08:32] <seb128> yeah, I just did a --no-install--recommends
[08:32] <seb128> I use rhythmbox
[08:32] <didrocks> yeah, no music lens for you :)
[08:32] <seb128> I don't want a mono stack for something I don't use
[08:32] <seb128> that's fine
[08:32] <seb128> just don't force mono on me ;-)
[08:32] <didrocks> we should get a music lens agnostic
[08:32] <didrocks> and a banshee scope
[08:33] <didrocks> as well as a rhythmbox scope
[08:33] <didrocks> seb128: you removed tomboy?
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks, on my 10v yes
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks, I don't need mono, it's a slow box with a small disk
[08:33] <seb128> I don't use it for work
[08:33] <seb128> just for testing and web browsing
[08:33] <didrocks> seb128: make sense
[08:34] <didrocks> you won't be the online one I guess :)
[08:34] <seb128> ;-)
[08:34] <didrocks> only one*
[08:34]  * didrocks needs sleep
[08:34] <seb128> I was wondering if it would have made sense to have the lens install but just empty if there is no scope for it
[08:34] <seb128> but I can as well not install the lens
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: as long as there is no other scope, I would say no, then separating the packaging and the code to get them separately would make sense
[08:37] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[08:37] <seb128> didrocks, btw let me know if you test update-manager
[08:38] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, just finishing some dpkgish things to keep in a resonable state :)
[08:38] <didrocks> and then, trying (it launches at least ;))
[08:39] <jbicha> seb128: mvo: I filed bug 825056
[08:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825056 in update-manager "[oneiric] Update Manager crashes when trying to install updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825056
[08:39] <didrocks> ok, the partial upgrade is to remove ntfsprogs
[08:40] <didrocks> as I don't have any windows partition at home, I can accept that :)
[08:40]  * didrocks tries update-manager
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, no need of partial upgrade, I just try by upgrading one package here
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, like dismiss the partial upgrade question
[08:40] <seb128> right click, uncheck all, click one line, upgrade
[08:43] <mvo> thanks jbicha that is the same issue as seb128 has, let me try to fix it
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[08:44] <seb128> jibel, you can go to ccsm, unity and change to static blue
[08:44] <seb128> blur
[08:44] <seb128> it workaround the slowness
[08:45] <seb128> bah the new unity is suckfest
[08:46] <seb128> it doesn't reveal the launcher with the mouse
[08:46] <didrocks> hum, Xorg hanged, fun
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: hum? it doess there
[08:46] <didrocks> does*
[08:46] <seb128> the dash is also to slow to be used
[08:46] <seb128> it takes like 3 seconds to dislay it or do any change
[08:46] <didrocks> seb128: suck being on intel? :)
[08:46] <seb128> well, I changed to static blur in ccsm
[08:46] <seb128> that works ;-)
[08:46] <mvo> intel used to be the best, but …
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> woah, i just opened the dash and the whole thing was white
[08:47] <didrocks> seb128: confirmed the crash
[08:47] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> and i can't read anything in it
[08:47] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, there was a race, gord_ did a fix post-release that was supposed to fix it
[08:47] <jibel> seb128, ok, I'll try. I'm on 2d now, I need some work done this morning.
[08:47] <seb128> didrocks, mvo says he's looking on it
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, thanks :)
[08:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it uses your background color to compute its color
[08:47] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh, you mean, not white white, but with a white background?
[08:48] <seb128> if you have a light background (my case) you are screwed
[08:48] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: already told them on an email…
[08:48] <seb128> you get yellow with white text for example
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, the dash appeared with a white background and barely readable green text
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, my desktop isn't white ;)
[08:48] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, this one, I told them before the release
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> it's the standard colours :)
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, thanks
[08:49] <seb128> static blur is not the way to go :p
[08:49] <seb128> I've a dash with a blurred ccsm displayed in it now
[08:50] <seb128> but I'm on a workspace with only IRC
[08:50] <jbicha> Unity: putting the blur back in blur
[08:50] <seb128> the unity panel is also unreadable in dash mode
[08:50] <gord_> MacSlow, ^^ green text
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: I guess that one depends on your color
[08:51] <didrocks> seb128: but yeah, there are a bunch of color picking issues depending on your theme and wallpaper
[08:51] <didrocks> in addition to the race
[08:51] <MacSlow> gord_, seb128: not getting the .json file hm...
[08:51] <jbicha> several of my dash icons are bleeding too
[08:51] <seb128> bah, and I typed ccsm in the dash and it keeps spinning and returns nothing
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: all keyboard activation is broken, didn't you see my email yesterday? :)
[08:52] <seb128> didrocks, well it's not keyboard, the entry round thing keep spinning and it never list any icon
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> gord_, http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot%20at%202011-08-12%2009:52:18.png
[08:53] <didrocks> seb128: so <super>ccsm ?
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks, ok, half my fault
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks, I was in the file lens
[08:54] <didrocks> ah ;)
[08:54] <didrocks> yeah, it's stateful
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks, it opens on the previously used lens, not the main one
[08:54] <didrocks> that's by design
[08:54] <seb128> didrocks, so it breaks the super-type-enter workflow
[08:54] <seb128> that's quite an usuability step back
[08:55] <didrocks> the only thing I'm not sure it's by design is the fact that's the search is different between lenses
[08:55] <didrocks> (I talked about it on the same email)
[08:55] <seb128> super-type-enter was quite efficient and is only what i.e gnome-shell is doing
[08:55] <didrocks> indeed
[08:55] <seb128> only->also
[08:55] <didrocks> and +1
[08:55] <MacSlow> gord_, seb128: wait... the text there isn't drawn via the DashStyle calls
[08:55] <MacSlow> gord_, is that StaticCairoText?
[08:56] <seb128> bah
[08:56] <seb128> they still didn't fix the launcher focus issue...
[08:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well at least you can read the indicators text on your screenshot ;-)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> seb128, can you not?
[08:56] <didrocks> I think it's because of radiancec?
[08:57] <seb128> could be
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128, launcher focus issue? like bug 825046 ?
[08:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825046 in unity "Dash and launcher appear underneath windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825046
[08:58] <didrocks> seb128: what's the issue for showing the launcher btw, you told you can't make it appear?
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, it doesn't appear with the mouse
[08:58] <gord_> MacSlow, guess so
[08:58] <seb128> like I can go on the side or corner as much I want it never shows
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> seb128, do you have a maximized window?
[08:58] <didrocks> seb128: if you put it on the left side?
[08:58] <didrocks> hum
[08:58] <jbicha> I set my launcher to neverhide for now because I have so much difficulty getting it to show
[08:59] <didrocks> I don't get that one though :/
[08:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yes
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, it keeps appearing underneath windows for me
[08:59] <MacSlow> seb128, chrisccoulson: are you by any chance on an intel-GPU system?
[08:59] <didrocks> the corner doesn't work anymore, but that's known
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, see the bug i quoted above :)
[08:59] <seb128> MacSlow, yes
[08:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh ok
[08:59] <jbicha> I'm on intel also
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's appearing underneath the windows
[08:59] <MacSlow> seb128, argl
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> MacSlow, yeah, i'm on intel
[08:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that's not that for me
[08:59] <seb128> I tried on an empty workspace
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh :/
[09:00] <seb128> open gedit is small mode, moved it over the launcher so it hides
[09:00] <MacSlow> seb128, I've heard about weird bugs on intel/mesa recently (notify-osd's opacity... now this green text thing)
[09:00] <seb128> but no way to get the launcher to show still
[09:00] <pgraner> seb128, still having login in issues, removing the .ICE authority fixes it, then once I do that and can login I get the Nautilus bar of death across the screen
[09:00] <MacSlow> seb128, which one does not get if you're on non mesa-drivers
[09:00] <jbicha> pgraner: is your /home encrypted?
[09:00] <pgraner> jbicha, yep
[09:00] <MacSlow> seb128, I'm currently pulling in all updates on my laptop (all intel) to see how much I can replicate this
[09:01] <seb128> jbicha, he seems by the description that he manages to log in
[09:01] <MacSlow> seb128, my gut-feelin atm is, that this is a driver-bug
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: works there (tried you gedit's stuff)
[09:01] <seb128> so it's likely unity not starting
[09:01] <seb128> pgraner, if you go to a vt and type unity while you just get nautilus, does it work?
[09:02] <seb128> brb need to test new unity on a fresh session
[09:03] <seb128> re
[09:03] <didrocks> hum, alt + tab is not showing anything if you go in the window view mode if it's minimized
[09:04] <seb128> didrocks, nop, doesn't work for me
[09:04] <didrocks> wb seb128
[09:04] <seb128> I was on reveal in edge before upgrading if that makes any issue
[09:04] <didrocks> seb128: do you have edge activation still working in the unity plugin?
[09:04] <seb128> not reveal on border
[09:04] <didrocks> hum, let me check
[09:04] <didrocks> as I unity --reset
[09:04] <didrocks> but it shouldn't have changed for you
[09:04] <didrocks> with the way gconf is wokring…
[09:04] <mvo> jbicha, seb128: thanks, I have a fix for it now
[09:05] <seb128> mvo, \o/
[09:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I get your white screen issue on the 10v
[09:06] <pgraner> seb128, ok it looks like the unity pkg got removed somehow during one of the updates, it was there 2 days ago (machine has been consistently upgraded) adding the package back in seems to have fixed it
[09:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, MacSlow, didrocks: chrisccoulson's screenshot issue is fixed if you change background and bacjk
[09:06] <seb128> back
[09:06] <mvo> glatzor: do you mind if I commit http://paste.ubuntu.com/664074/ directly?
[09:06] <seb128> pgraner, ok
[09:06] <seb128> didrocks, seems like the bug your tried to get fixed yesterday
[09:06] <pgraner> seb128, thanks, I didn't even think to see if it was installed... grrrr
[09:06] <seb128> in some variant
[09:06] <didrocks> seb128: indeed, already pinged gord_
[09:06] <seb128> pgraner, you're welcome
[09:07] <MacSlow> seb128, hm... could be related to subpixel-aa of the text
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks, edge activation works on the 10v
[09:07] <seb128> it just don't hide if you move the cursor out of the launcher area
[09:07] <MacSlow> seb128, if I disable that there should be no color-fringes.
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, changing the background worked here too
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> i've got the gnome-shell background now ;)
[09:09] <MacSlow> chrisccoulson, why/how was that part of the dash all white anyway?
[09:09] <seb128> MacSlow, gord is looking at it
[09:09] <seb128> MacSlow, it seems to not pick the background color until you change it
[09:10] <seb128> change it = change the background
[09:10] <didrocks> it's a race, sometimes, it's fine
[09:10] <didrocks> and after gord's fix, it looked it worked for me
[09:10] <didrocks> seems not really doing it for everyone though
[09:10] <gord> it worked for me too...
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: I still have reveal mode "Left"
[09:11] <seb128> didrocks, well I've that as well in ccsm but I was on edge mode before and that's not working, I tried to tweak, no luck
[09:12] <jbicha> mvo: thanks, did you see bug 824957 also?
[09:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824957 in update-manager "[gtk3] right-click context menu for links no longer works" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824957
[09:12] <didrocks> seb128: weird… I trust less and less compiz configuration support…
[09:13] <seb128> indeed
[09:13] <glatzor> mvo, go for it :)
[09:13] <seb128> well any, plently of bugs
[09:13] <seb128> hey glatzor
[09:13] <glatzor> hey seb128 !
[09:13] <seb128> didrocks, another "fun" one is that the dash doesn't fit on the 10v screen
[09:13] <seb128> so I can't switch lenses
[09:13] <seb128> the bottom buttons are out of the screen
[09:13] <mvo> glatzor: thx
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, part of because the fullscreen mode is broken
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: as well, try expanding the filter, it won't reorganize the icons
[09:14] <mvo> jbicha: I check it out next, thanks!
[09:15] <didrocks> seb128: and if you click on one, it will launch the hidden application underneath
[09:22] <mvo> jbicha: looks like the unstoppable evfool already fixed the u-m issue :)
[09:22] <jbicha> ooh, so fast
[09:23] <mvo> yeah
[09:24] <mvo> he is not even on irc to recieve my hug :/
[09:26] <didrocks> mvo: I think you can sponsor it until he receives his hug :)
[09:27] <didrocks> "blocked on hug" :)
[09:46] <kiwinote> alex3f: hi! rev 2082 of lp:~kiwinote/software-center/tweaks should fix the traceback of the bug you just reported, however I can't seem to reproduce the sigsev that followed - can you perhaps see whether this (probably won't and shouldn't) indirectly solves the sigsev too?
[09:47] <alex3f> kiwinote, i'm on it, thanks
[09:49] <kiwinote> alex3f: fwiw it also seems you don't have an apt-xapian-index ? you can create it with "sudo update-apt-xapian-index && sudo update-software-center"
[09:49] <alex3f> it's a vanilla install with bzr branch
[10:05] <alex3f> kiwinote, it kinda works
[10:05] <alex3f> segfault comes from pango, 0x010ad917 in pango_glyph_string_get_width ()
[10:05] <MacSlow> seb128, gord, chrisccoulson: I just updated my all intel-laptop and don't get these white-area issues for the dash
[10:06] <gord> MacSlow, don't worry about that
[10:06] <seb128> MacSlow, not even on fresh login?
[10:06] <gord> MacSlow, its a race, happens for some people, not for others
[10:07] <MacSlow> seb128, got to try... once sec (you mean a fresh user?)
[10:07] <seb128> MacSlow, no, just restarting your session (in opposite of restarting compiz in a running session)
[10:07] <seb128> MacSlow, but as gord said it seems to be a race
[10:09] <MacSlow> seb128, gord: nope... not at all... tried it a few times (for my normal accout and for the guest account)
[10:09] <MacSlow> not happening
[10:12] <seb128> gord, MacSlow: bug #811185
[10:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 811185 in libgwibber "drop libgwibber source from archive" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811185
[10:12] <seb128> ups
[10:13] <seb128> bug #825091
[10:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825091 in unity "Unity crashes if you select a gradient as wallpaper" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825091
[10:13] <seb128> gord, MacSlow: ^ you might want to look at this one
[10:14] <gord> assigned to me
[10:15] <seb128> gord, thanks
[10:16] <MacSlow> gord, somehow in the back of my head I think I once ran into a similar issue... but can't atm fully refresh my mind on that
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, btw I sent an email to ubuntu-devel about the retracers being down so people know what's going on
[11:09] <alex3f> kiwinote, updated oneiric, segfault does not appear any more
[11:17] <kiwinote> alex3f: sweet :)
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, i'm getting the same issue with the launcher as you :(
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> brb
[11:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, bug #825096
[11:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825096 in unity "Launcher cannot be revealed from left edge after using alt-tab" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825096
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> oh nice, i'm glad to see the favicons work in the firefox menu in unity 2d now :)
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> how come the blur and scrolling in unity 2d is so much faster on my machine? :/
[11:32] <ronoc> mvo, ping
[11:35] <ronoc> mvo, A bug in i-session has crept in whereby using the method you suggested the service always thinks there is an update available
[11:35] <ronoc> mvo, i used the same method you used in your python script
[11:35] <ronoc> it was working two weeks ago but just broke in the last few days
[11:36] <ronoc> mvo, here is my output from checking for any updates, http://paste.ubuntu.com/664174/
[11:36] <ronoc> mvo, hence why I think there is an update to fetch
[11:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: bug #825096
[11:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 825096 in unity "Launcher cannot be revealed from left edge after using alt-tab" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825096
[11:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: the unity-2d blur is a native Qt one
[11:37] <jbicha> ronoc: can the script also return the number of updates, 142 updates available sounds more worrisome than just 5 or 6
[11:37] <didrocks> oh, should have scrollback before :)
[11:37] <jbicha> unless you're going for a high score :-)
[11:38] <mvo> ronoc: oh? could you debug-print the names of the pending updates for me please?
[11:39] <davmor2> guys is there a secret I don't know to make the launcher appear in oneiric I move the mouse to top left and far left nothing,  the only thing that seems to work is hitting the super key
[11:40] <davmor2> nevermind seems to be working now it has appeared once
[11:40] <seb128> read the backlog?
[11:40] <ronoc> mvo, jbicha this bug is not just on my system it has been widely reported
[11:40] <ronoc> on i-session
[11:41] <ronoc> printing names now
[11:42] <cjwatson> gnome-games 1:3.1.3-0ubuntu1: "Aisleriot was split out of gnome-games into its own module."
[11:42] <cjwatson> is anyone working on packaging that separate aisleriot?  it's currently in the NBS list
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, ah, ok. thanks
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> unity-2d + metacity compositing looks just like unity 3d :)
[11:45] <ogra_> better :P
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> only without the laggy scrolling in the dash :)
[11:45] <jbicha> ronoc: yes, the update indicator has been wrong most of the time here too
[11:45] <ronoc> jbicha, it was working fine when I first released that feature two weeks ago
[11:45] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, the funniest bit is that it can also do 3d if you want ;)
[11:45] <ronoc> haven't touched that code since
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, nice :)
[11:46] <seb128> well it doesn't have the expose, etc
[11:46] <jbicha> ronoc: I don't know, I thought it was broken almost since it landed but anyway...
[11:46] <ogra_> (unity-2d works fine with compiz)
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> can we have the nice alt+tab switcher in unity 2d? :)
[11:48] <ogra_> iircd that comes from compiz
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> oh, the thunderbird menu isn't working in 2d though :(
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> i get empty menus
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> heh, and now it works
[11:49] <ogra_> funny, given the firsfox one works
[11:49] <ogra_> *fire
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's the same code
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> weird :/
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> could still be a bug in my extension though ;)
[11:50] <ogra_> probably a traffic jam on the dbus
[11:50] <ogra_> send police !
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:50] <rodrigo__> police usuallyt makes traffic jams worst, so don't :)
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> surely you would only need police if there was a riot on the bus?
[11:50] <ogra_> spanish police ...
[11:51] <rodrigo_> ogra_, yeah, maybe it's only in spain :)
[11:51] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you can't get the alt + tab as the code is wrapped in the unityshell plugin
[11:52] <ogra_> bah
[11:55] <rodrigo_> can someone please have a try at building this branch: lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-color-manager/3_1_2_release ?
[11:55] <rodrigo_> it's failing on undefined symbols from a lib it's being linked to, so I'm out of ideas
[11:56] <jbicha> reopened bug 812804
[11:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 812804 in lightdm "lightdm asks for password when resuming from suspend even when no one is logged in" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812804
[11:57] <cdbs> Unity-greeter doesn't work for me, when I have it set, it keeps crashing and crashing on startup
[11:57] <cdbs> I have to set greeter-theme=unity right?
[11:58] <jbicha> cdbs: I'd just rm /etc/lightdm and sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm unity-greeter
[11:59] <jbicha> since it's the default now
[11:59] <cdbs> okay
[11:59] <jbicha> I don't know if removing the conf is necessary before reinstalling but it works
[11:59]  * cdbs runs those commands
[12:05] <mvo> woah, so it seems like GtkTable in gtk3/glade is pretty much busted but fortunately moving to gtkGrid seems to fix it
[12:05] <cdbs> I managed to get unity-greeter work, but I get a black background on all sessions
[12:12] <ronoc> mvo, jbicha,  ok weird g_strv_length was returning 1 when really it should have returned 0, still grappling with glib oddities obviously
[12:12] <ronoc> the lala.py correctly reports nothing to update
[12:12] <ronoc> so my C if off
[12:12] <ronoc> s/if/is
[12:22] <pobara> hi everyone, I have question: I need to programatically detect if os runs Unity based on gtk2 or gtk3; can this be achieved with gsettings?
[12:22] <pobara> On Ubuntu 11.10 $ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.session session-name
[12:23] <pobara> says 'ubuntu'
[12:23] <pobara> what does it say on Ubuntu 11.04?
[12:24] <mvo> ok, thanks ronoc
[12:28]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, is evolution-desktopcouch and desktopcouch working for you in oneiric?
[12:31] <rodrigo_> seb128, evo-couchdb does work (with system-wide couchdb), not desktopcouch
[12:31] <rodrigo_> seb128, are you getting unauthrozied errors?
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, how do you set it up with system-wide couchdb?
[12:32] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, just 'New->Addressbook' from evolution, and select CouchDB and then 'system-wide instance'
[12:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you know if the desktopcouch issue is trcked somewhere?
[12:33] <rodrigo_> or add a new source pointing to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5984
[12:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, I told chipaca yesterday about it
[12:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you have a bug number?
[12:33] <rodrigo_> seb128, no, will find one later, after lunch
[12:34] <rodrigo_> I just talked on irc with chipaca
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, i created a small thunderbird extension to create the desktopcouch addressbook, but i can't actually test that it works ;)
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> although, i do get the addressbook created
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> a UI for creating the system couchdb addressbook isn't really required in tb is it?
[12:35] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, ok, then create a new ESource with a property called "instance" set to "system"
[12:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, thanks
[12:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, have fun
[12:35] <kenvandine> good morning all!
[12:36] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, "couchdb_instance" set to "system", sorry
[12:36] <rodrigo_> ok, out for lunch now for real, bbiab
[12:38] <kenvandine> seb128, i just realized i forgot to do the magic to update the templates when i uploaded indicator-messages...
[12:38] <kenvandine> i'll do that today
[12:42] <seb128> thanks
[12:42] <seb128> kenvandine, I forgot to do datetime according to version,can you do it as well?
[12:42] <kenvandine> yup
[12:43] <kenvandine> didrocks, do you know if libunity ignores setting of renderer?
[12:43] <kenvandine> that is the only problem i am having now...
[12:43] <kenvandine> otherwise i think the port is done
[12:44] <didrocks> kenvandine: already? rocks! :) I think the renderer is hardcoded right now
[12:44] <kenvandine> :(
[12:44] <kenvandine> damn!
[12:44] <didrocks> kenvandine: with all the underlying change, it will soon come back
[12:44] <kenvandine> ok, i guess i'll upload as is...
[12:45] <kenvandine> it is better than not working at all :)
[12:45] <kenvandine> right now it just displays icons and names
[12:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: agreed :)
[12:45] <kenvandine> which isn't very useful
[12:45] <kenvandine> but it runs :)
[12:45] <didrocks> is it a beautiful icon? :)
[12:45] <didrocks> and a good name?
[12:45] <kenvandine> depends on how ugly the user is :)
[12:45] <didrocks> heh
[12:45] <kenvandine> avatar
[12:46] <kenvandine> didrocks, also... i noticed with all the lenses, it doesn't start to get results until you enter something in the search
[12:46] <kenvandine> so you can't browse until you start a search
[12:46] <kenvandine> known bug?
[12:47] <didrocks> kenvandine: known bug pre-release, indeed
[12:47] <kenvandine> ok
[12:47] <kenvandine> i thought i was missing a signal or something
[12:47] <kenvandine> then noticed all the lenses do it :)
[12:48] <didrocks> yeah, you're not alone ;)
[12:49] <kenvandine> didrocks, my port included quite a bit of copy paste from files
[12:49] <kenvandine> :)
[12:49] <kenvandine> once I understood the new architecture a bit, it went fast
[12:50] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, way less noise at startup
[12:50] <kenvandine> yeah
[12:51] <kenvandine> i want to figure out the multirange filter
[12:51] <kenvandine> or whatever it is
[12:56] <seb128> pitti, hey
[12:57] <seb128> pitti, I don't think we should subscribe the team to bugmail for components
[12:57] <seb128> especially only for one, it's not consistent and doesn't really make sense
[12:57] <seb128> pitti, what about using desktop-bugs as we do for the other desktop components?
[12:58] <pitti> does anyone read/get that?
[12:58] <seb128> the emails go to a list
[12:58] <seb128> not sure who reads it, pedro does I think
[12:58] <seb128> pitti, but that doesn't justify special casing one package
[12:59] <pitti> *nod*
[12:59] <seb128> well I mean we still have the issue that if the list is not read, nobody is subscribed to 95% the set
[12:59] <seb128> it's not realistic to think that we keep up with bugs for things promoted
[12:59] <seb128> in practice we just don't and there is no way we can
[13:00] <seb128> we rely on bugs to be raised though qa
[13:00] <seb128> well I've nothing against the "a team should be subscribed"
[13:00] <seb128> but in practice it's void, we go a team subscribed but nobody reading bug emails
[13:18] <mvo> seb128: do you know the state of launchpadintegration for gtk3 ? will this just work?
[13:18] <seb128> mvo, just work
[13:18] <mvo> k
[13:18] <seb128> mvo, we use it in a bunch of python applications
[13:18] <seb128> gtk3 python
[13:19] <mvo> do you have a example somewhere, the old code just crashes
[13:20] <mvo> ahh, nevermind, I think I can work it out from the girf ile
[13:21] <mvo> heh :) that was simple
[13:28] <seb128> mvo, sorry didn't notice that, the api didn't change, it's like a one letter change l->L iirc
[13:30] <mvo> yep
[13:39]  * davmor2 installs gwibber lens to see how upset I can make kenvandine ;)
[13:40] <Hedgehog456> Is GNOME Shell functional on Natty yet?
[13:42] <davmor2> kenvandine: it doesn't work :'( it just opens the dash
[13:44] <ogra_> you probably need special glasses to make the lens visible ... order at kenvandine for $3.99 a piece ;)
[13:45] <kenvandine> :)
[13:46] <kenvandine> davmor2, i am about to upload it
[13:46] <kenvandine> davmor2, you have the old one :)
[13:46] <davmor2> kenvandine: Damn I'm t'early
[13:47] <kenvandine> uploaded :)
[13:47] <kenvandine> now wait for building/publishing :)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> gah, i can't get apt to do anything for me because of a file conflict in some mono packages
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> it won't let me remove the offending packages
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> and apt-get install -f just tries to finish installing them
[13:52] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: it's a postinst script that's broken?
[13:53] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, file conflicts
[13:53] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh, hrm
[13:55] <Laney> there was a missing conflicts/replaces
[13:55] <Laney> use dpkg directly to remove it maybe
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, http://paste.ubuntu.com/664273/
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> Laney, ok, will try that
[13:56] <pitti> ok, need to leave for the train in a bit, and network sucks anyway, so waving good bye for now
[13:57] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: what Laney said
[13:57] <pitti> I might get back online in the train, but might be spotty
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, it's getting even more broken with dpkg
[13:58] <pitti> seb128: you don't happen to have time for today's release meeting?
[13:58] <pitti> totally forgot about that one
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> i still can't use apt, it just wants to install the stuff i'm removing
[13:58] <Laney> remove the old webbrowser package
[13:58] <seb128> pitti, I do have time
[13:58] <Laney> then you should be able to install the new one
[13:58] <seb128> pitti, it's in one hour right?
[13:58] <pitti> seb128: yes
[13:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just dpkg -i --force-all the deb
[13:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it will force overwrite it
[13:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or --force-overwrite
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, ok, can do
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, do you update the wiki or should I do that?
[13:59] <pitti> seb128: merci beaucoup
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, i'll try that. apt won't let me upgrade either ;)
[13:59] <seb128> pitti, de rien ;-)
[13:59] <pitti> seb128: if you could -- haven't done it yet, and I need to run in 10 mins
[14:00] <seb128> pitti, ok, I will do it
[14:00] <seb128> pitti, have a good ride back and w.e
[14:00] <seb128> pitti, see you on monday ;-)
[14:00] <seb128> or tuesday rather, monday is a national holiday there
[14:00] <pitti> thanks, happy weekend everyone!
[14:00] <seb128> there->here
[14:01] <pitti> we have a holiday next week as well, not sure when
[14:01] <pitti> but I'll try to work a bit anyway, my queue is quite full
[14:01] <didrocks> pitti: enjoy your week-end and see you in two weeks :)
[14:02] <didrocks> have a safe travel back as well ;)
[14:02] <pitti> merci!
[14:20] <dobey> hi pitti
[14:21] <seb128> dobey, he left to catch his train back from the summit
[14:21] <seb128> what's up?
[14:21] <dobey> ah ok
[14:22] <dobey> seb128: just wanted to verify status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/817133
[14:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 817133 in ubuntu "[needspackaging] ubuntuone-installer needs packaged" [High,In progress]
[14:22] <dobey> i /think/ it's uploaded and just awaiting archive admin approval now?
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> wow, launchpad is the biggest consumer of memory in firefox atm
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> this page is consuming over 90MB - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/810773
[14:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 810773 in thunderbird "Changing font settings are ineffective" [Undecided,New]
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> compared to 18MB for twitter ;)
[14:31] <seb128> dobey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue
[14:31] <seb128> dobey, you can check the queue yourself there
[14:33] <dobey> seb128: ah right, thanks :)
[14:34] <dobey> hrmm, it's not there :-/
[14:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, I've got gnoe-contacts packaged (1st pass at least), should I push to an ~ubuntu-desktop branch?
[14:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, sure
[14:39] <rodrigo_> ok
[14:42] <rodrigo_> the version I've packaged seems a bit broken though, at least for me
[14:42] <rodrigo_> we need the stuff in git, which seems to be better
[14:43] <seb128> jjardon said he would ask alex about the status
[14:43] <seb128> and if we will get a new tarball soon
[15:16] <didrocks> dobey: can you please rebuild ubuntuone-client against the new libunity?
[15:19] <dobey> didrocks: we don't link to libunity. we just use the gir
[15:19] <dobey> didrocks: so if the gir gets updated, it should 'just work', unlesss the API was broken of course :)
[15:19] <didrocks> dobey: there is a bump in the package name
[15:20] <didrocks> dobey: in the gir
[15:20] <didrocks> dobey: so you need to dep on latest one (and check it works of course, your part wasn't changed so should be good)
[15:20] <dobey> didrocks: oh, the package name changed?
[15:20] <didrocks> dobey: yeah to 4.0
[15:21] <dobey> ah ok
[15:25] <dobey> didrocks: will do then, thanks for heads up :)
[15:26] <didrocks> dobey: yw :-)
[15:26] <didrocks> dobey: I rebuilt, it seems there is no crashing for now :)
[15:26] <didrocks> (well, rebuilt to force the new dep)
[15:27] <dobey> cool
[15:32] <didrocks> mvo: any objection about making update-manager depends on the new unity gir?
[15:32] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you take care of gir1.2-dbusmenu-glib-0.4?
[15:33] <didrocks> kenvandine: it's in the rdepends list as well
[15:33] <kenvandine> didrocks, sure
[15:34] <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine: that's a breaks, doesn't need an update (yeah rdepends if confusing)
[15:34] <didrocks> ah ok, one less then! :)
[15:34] <didrocks> so, it's all on dobey and mvo now :-)
[15:34] <kenvandine> oh, woot :)
[15:35] <didrocks> kenvandine: [done], was it so hard? :-)
[15:35]  * kenvandine loves that :)
[15:42] <mvo> didrocks: its optional in u-m, its will work without problems without it
[15:43] <didrocks> mvo: indeed, but they can't be installed together, so can be stuck on ugprade, isn't it?
[15:43] <didrocks> gir 3.0 and 4.0
[15:43] <didrocks> mvo: I see you have another pending change in update-manager, do you want me to push that?
[15:44] <mvo> didrocks: its just 3 -> 4 ?
[15:44] <didrocks> mvo: yeah, if you want to go for it… ;)
[15:44] <didrocks> works with progress bar in the launcher, normally, only the lens part has changed
[15:45] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, I have one other fix pending, I upload it now
[15:47] <didrocks> excellent, thanks :)
[15:47] <mvo> upload …
[15:51] <didrocks> thx!
[16:01] <dobey> didrocks: uploaded.
[16:02] <didrocks> dobey: excellent, thanks! :)
[16:36]  * didrocks waves good evening
[16:36] <didrocks> have a good week-end everyone and see you in two weeks!
[17:00] <rodrigo_> I'm also out for a bit, have a good week-end!
[17:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks, you as well
[19:14] <dobey> kenvandine, mterry: want to be a sponsor? :)
[19:49] <mterry> dobey, sure
[19:51] <dobey> mterry: kenvandine grabbed it i think, but thanks
[19:52] <mterry> not checking IRC wins again
[19:53] <dobey> heh
[19:53] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:54] <kenvandine> :)
[19:54] <kenvandine> finishing something else first
[19:54] <kenvandine> but it is next in line :)
[19:54] <kenvandine> dobey, the diff is pretty big
[19:55] <kenvandine> dobey, massive diff and only one changelog entry...
[20:00] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah, most of the diff we're not actually installing yet. it just happens to be in trunk/tarball, because we need it for windows :)
[20:01] <dobey> kenvandine: welcome to the world of cross-platform development :-/
[20:01] <kenvandine> ok
[20:03] <dobey> kenvandine: the silly qt _rc.py files are the worst, because they're byte-compiled python that would still be totally unreadable otherwise :(