[12:00] <ompaul> Rob_Linux_Newb, what is the question
[12:00] <Rob_Linux_Newb> I'm trying to install Kmuddy, I did ./configure and at the end it tells me: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:00] <laggerzero> http://wallpapers.neo5k.de/content/images/wallpapers/sco/sco-001-1024x768.jpg
[12:00] <Rob_Linux_Newb> And that confused the heck outta me
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Rob_Linux_Newb: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-dev
[12:01] <koen_> when i minimize a window, it has some sort of graphic flow which leads it down, is it possible to instantly minimize ?
[12:01] <da5id> good night @ll
[12:01] <Broncho> anyone know why when I connect to my ssh server from windows(using putty and x-11 forwarding is set) I type xterm and it errors out
[12:01] <Rob_Linux_Newb> Is that a pretty huge file?
[12:03] <Quest-Master> Rob_Linux_Newb: yes.
[12:03] <eb0x> I am trying to set xchat up to use identd, does Ubuntu come with an identd server already installed?
[12:03] <eb0x> If not, what can I use?
[12:03] <Rob_Linux_Newb> What would the approximate size be? I'm on a dial-up connection, so I may need to download later
[12:04] <Quest-Master> Oh
[12:04] <Quest-Master> It's gigantic
[12:04] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:04] <Rob_Linux_Newb> shoot
[12:04] <Broncho> everythingt is gigantic to dialup
[12:04] <laggerzero> dialup, those were the days
[12:04] <warthawg> can i just add debian repositories to get missing apps?  like all the ham software?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Rob_Linux_Newb: I installed it on dialup, but yes, it's a rather large download
[12:04] <Rob_Linux_Newb> I'd have high-speed if it was available in my area.  One of the downfalls to living in the sticks I guess
[12:05] <Rob_Linux_Newb> Probably a couple hour download?
[12:05] <laggerzero> what are you downloading?
[12:05] <Quest-Master> x-windows-system-dev
[12:05] <Quest-Master> *window
[12:05] <Rob_Linux_Newb> 2 hours 45 minutes...*groans*
[12:05] <laggerzero> how big is it?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Rob_Linux_Newb: when you apt-get it, you'll see the time - just do ctrl-c to escape, if it looks too long
[12:05] <Quest-Master> It's a pretty massive package, especially if on dial-up.
[12:06] <Rob_Linux_Newb> Hey, thanks for the help guys.  Most people just ignore me, kinda discourageing to newbs
[12:06] <spades> leave it downloading overnight
[12:06] <Quest-Master> Hehe.
[12:06] <pap> saluton, kamaradojn
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Rob_Linux_Newb: we'll ignore you next time :P  mwuhahaha!
[12:06] <L8Gr8> Hi everybody!
[12:07] <laggerzero> hello
[12:07] <spades> hi dr nick
[12:07] <laggerzero> jeez. a lot of people just joined
[12:07] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:07] <L8Gr8> I just started with Ubuntu Warty Warhog and I love it.  Just one problem, though.  Everytime I reboot, I lose my symlink to /dev/dvd :(
[12:07] <ompaul> laggerzero, it is getting more popular
[12:08] <laggerzero> if xchat was coded in C++ i would make a script to repond to every hello
[12:08] <Draal> hello
[12:08] <Draal> How do I use apt-get?
[12:08] <spades> man apt-get
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Draal: how long have you got?
[12:08] <ompaul> Draal, apt-get install somepackage
[12:08] <confrey> I have hoary 5.04 rc on my laptop; I can't resume after sleep; the power button does a complete shutdown; waht can I do?
[12:08] <laggerzero> RTFM
[12:08] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  what was that I said to you eariler
[12:08] <cocol> spades, http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:08] <farruinn> Draal: check out www.debian.org/doc and see the APT Howto
[12:09] <L8Gr8> make sure you have your repository setup in /etc/apt/sources.list  then type "apt-get update"  then "apt-get install <package name>"
[12:09] <ompaul>  --> apt-get install apt-doc apt-howto <-- kinda helps there
[12:09] <farruinn> Draal: it's a very good howto, probably easier than reading through a man page
[12:09] <spades> cocol: nick misfire
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ompaul: in this case I can't see any mitigation...
[12:09] <laggerzero> confrey, suspend/resume is not completely supported yet
[12:09] <laggerzero> it doesn't work on mine
[12:09] <cocol> spades,???
[12:09] <ompaul> thoreauputic, okay
[12:09] <L8Gr8> anybody else losing their symlinks on reboot?
[12:09] <spades> cocol; i wasnt requesting help
[12:09] <Draal> Thank you Farruinn
[12:10] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I was referring to laggerzero, sorry :)
[12:10] <ompaul> thoreauputic, np :)
[12:10] <laggerzero> heh
[12:10] <laggerzero> what was the question?
[12:10] <farruinn> anyone using mac-on-linux? it's not working with kernel 2.6.10-4 for me
[12:10] <cocol> sorry it was Draal
[12:10] <ompaul> laggerzero, rtfm
[12:10] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: your ubuntu points just took a dive ;)
[12:10] <ompaul> hahaha
[12:10] <nicedreams> sup with the hoary preview install?  I go back to debian for a week and decide to install ubuntu again and now my sound doesn't work.  I've never had a sound issue before with ubuntu
[12:10] <laggerzero> heh
[12:11] <eclipse> can you use grub with JFS filesystem?
[12:11] <ompaul> L8Gr8, that is strange
[12:11] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I have it on my iBook G4, but getting it working wasn't.... err... trivial
[12:11] <Brunellus_> anybody using samba on warty?
[12:11] <confrey> laggerzero, ok, I'll wait for it; another thing : how can I manage cpu's frequency? powernowd works automatically, but I'd like to set cpufreq to 400 Mhz, to silent the fan (as in windows), what can I do?
[12:11] <L8Gr8> Thanks for responding. Yeah it is weird.  I've never had symlinks disappear before. Then again this is my first debian-based distro.
[12:11] <ompaul> L8Gr8,  the symbolic link is not there that I find starnge
[12:11] <farruinn> thoreauputic: it's working kernel 2.6.10-4?
[12:12] <laggerzero> i think you need a ppc kernel to get it working on a mac
[12:12] <gilles> hi
[12:12] <ompaul> L8Gr8, that is no reason to assume that they should pop off
[12:12] <Brunellus_> I'm trying to print over the network
[12:12] <thoreauputic> farruinn: oh, no, sorry this is on warty 2.6.8
[12:12] <thoreauputic> kernel
[12:12] <farruinn> thoreauputic: ah, ok, that worked fine for me =)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> right
[12:12] <baikonur> hi
[12:12] <laggerzero> i dont' know how to do that confrey. i wish i did
[12:12] <laggerzero> i'd use that
[12:13] <farruinn> I think there's something wrong with the 2.6.10-4 headers maybe
[12:13] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I had to do a bit of googling and reading to get it going
[12:13] <farruinn> laggerzero: the *-powerpc was implicit
[12:13] <hone> what's the best kernel to use for hte pentium m?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> farruinn: you've seen the wiki howto on mol?
[12:13] <baikonur> there is no netinstall mechanism included in the live-cd, is it? unless there is one this was a rather wasted cd-r :-/
[12:14] <hone> the one for the 686?
[12:14] <farruinn> thoreauputic: yeah, I installed following that wiki both for my warty install and now hoary, but I'm getting that error now
[12:14] <eclipse> Anyone knows if you could use grub with JFS filesystem?
[12:14] <Draal> Hone - The latest you have available. 2.6 and up has excellent Centrino support.
[12:14] <Marble2> how come sometimes in hoary a window will become all curvy
[12:14] <hone> Draal, but for the kernel-image
[12:15] <Marble2> it doesn't show up in a screenshot, and a restart of the application fixes it
[12:15] <hone> Draal, there's specific ones for k7 and stuff right?
[12:15] <farruinn> thoreauputic: what do you have in /usr/lib/mol/modules?
[12:15] <gilles> I don't know what wrong did I do, but when I try to connect to my server with <IP_ADDRESS>, it respond "You don't have permission to access / on this server.". What can I do ?
[12:15] <Marble2> it's really weird
[12:15] <Marble2> anyone else get this?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> farruinn: this is outdated, but I found it useful >> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html
[12:15] <Draal> Alright.. I know what programs I want to install, but how do I access Apt Get to get them?
[12:15] <Draal> I just need to know the command..
[12:15] <Draal> Nothing special.
[12:15] <eclipse> Anyone knows if you could use grub with JFS filesystem?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> farruinn: sorry, my iBook is elsewhere at the moment or I'd look for you
[12:16] <eclipse> please i need the answer
[12:16] <knucks> GUYS. HELP
[12:16] <farruinn> thoreauputic: ok, not a problem, I was just going to see if that was the bug
[12:16] <knucks> I no longer have my X working
[12:16] <knucks> no GUI
[12:16] <hone> Draal, apt-get install <package>
[12:16] <Quest-Master> knucks: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[12:16] <cocol> Draal, sudo apt-get install package
[12:16] <Brunellus_> grr. I can see my print server in the "network" bit of nautilus
[12:16] <Brunellus_> but I can't seem to get it to print
[12:17] <knucks> i installed the nvidia package thats on the howto guide..
[12:17] <Draal> Thank you
[12:17] <knucks> and now i get "no screens found"
[12:17] <Draal> I shouldn't have any problems installing XFCE, should I/
[12:17] <Draal> ?
[12:18] <koen_> what is the standard root password
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Draal: for more info, sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[12:18] <knucks> and my xorg.conf files and xf86config files dont exist
[12:18] <Brunellus_> h'mm.
[12:18] <spades> koen_: no root pass, set one with sudo passwd root
[12:18] <savban> how do i change my desktop from like gnme to kde
[12:18] <koen_> ok
[12:18] <savban> when i log in
[12:18] <koen_> thanks
[12:18] <L8Gr8> Anybody familiar with how symlinks work. My symlink to /dev/dvd is gone on every reboot
[12:18] <Riddell> savban: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Draal: xfce 4 is in the repositories
[12:19] <djp> koen: there isn't one by default. use sudo before a command that needs root priviliges
[12:19] <farruinn> thoreauputic: are you using a benh kernel?
[12:19] <djp> oops! bit late with that answer me thinks!
[12:19] <knucks> still get no screens found..
[12:20] <thoreauputic> farruinn: no, I think the benh patch is standard in ubuntu-ppc though
[12:20] <knucks> how do i rollback to the default packages for displays that came w/ hoary?
[12:20] <chrissturm> hey guys! i get this error at x server startup: (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[12:20] <chrissturm> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[12:20] <chrissturm>
[12:20] <Brunellus_> can someone point me to a network printing howto?
[12:20] <knucks> I still get No Screens Found
[12:20] <thoreauputic> farruinn: at least, that's my assumption
[12:20] <knucks> help
[12:20] <farruinn> thoreauputic: hm, could be
[12:21] <JDahl> knucks, I doubt that a "Windows rollback" is not your solution
[12:21] <farruinn> knucks: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg if hoary | xfree86 if warty]
[12:21] <JDahl> knucks, it's not the solution, I mean
[12:21] <thoreauputic> farruinn: some of the stuff on the monash link wsa useful - like dnsmasq etc and the /etc/init.d additions to files
[12:21] <thoreauputic> *was
[12:21] <farruinn> thoreauputic: ok, I'll hang onto the link for when that time comes
[12:21] <knucks> how do i get it back working?
[12:22] <farruinn> thoreauputic: I'm going to try building the modules with build-kpkg
[12:22] <baikonur> what ubuntu should I use if I install a new ubuntu system?
[12:22] <farruinn> s/build/make
[12:22] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I kind of cobbled it together from that site and the wiki
[12:22] <speedy2782> why does everyone hate microsoft
[12:22] <speedy2782> it seems a lot easier to use
[12:22] <Draal> Why DOESN'T everyone hate microsoft?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> speedy2782: nice try
[12:22] <Draal> Because we enjoy chaotic messes that make little to no sense.
[12:22] <speedy2782> oh, and my wifi card works very easily under there
[12:22] <laggerzero> they haven't made any of their stuff
[12:22] <knucks> ok ill go try
[12:22] <Chipzz> Draal: because there are microsoft employees? ;)
[12:23] <laggerzero> everything that is microsoft is stolent, or baught
[12:23] <knucks> see what happened is tis"
[12:23] <Blissex> Draal: there are many Microsoft shareholders, employees and resellers, they usually love Microsoft
[12:23] <laggerzero> the task bar is still coded from osx
[12:23] <JDahl> speedy2782, we dont hate Microsoft... but why does every new linux user complain about linux not being Windows??
[12:23] <laggerzero> or mac os
[12:23] <airox> Hi, can I delete the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d for items like lvm and raid if I don't use them ??
[12:23] <knucks> I installed the nvidia-glx package as stated on the newbie guide in ubuntuforums
[12:23] <Brunellus_> can you lot tone down the trollbaiting for a second?
[12:23] <knucks> before it everything was fine
[12:23] <Draal> How does one enable Unverise under Apt-Get in Ubuntu?
[12:23] <knucks> and then i installed it and x11 disappared and i started getting "no screens found"
[12:23] <laggerzero> Brunellus_, type in nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:23] <laggerzero> as root
[12:23] <Brunellus_> that's not m.e
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Draal: please read http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:23] <rattboi> how do I see the startup script messages?
[12:24] <laggerzero> err knucks
[12:24] <membreya> im impressed, the new kernel (2.6.11)+ the new nvidia drivers gives me an extra 100fps in glxgears
[12:24] <Brunellus_> laggerzero:  my graphics are running fine, thanks.  I can't get my printer going
[12:24] <rattboi> I know dmesg shows startup kernel messages, but what about stuff from the RC scripts?
[12:24] <airox> Draal: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:24] <laggerzero> is the 2.6.11 kernel worth it?
[12:24] <thully> Does anyone know how much iPod functionality Rhythmbox has?  I sawthe "iPod" icon in Rhythmbox and wondered...
[12:24] <Draal> Thanks
[12:24] <Quest-Master> rofl @ speedy2782
[12:24] <airox> Draal: The site I gave you is very handy.
[12:24] <baikonur> is it possible to netinstall ubuntu with a floppy or so?
[12:24] <membreya> im running hoary laggerzero .. I like the latest 'n greatest :P
[12:25] <laggerzero> i'm running hoary aswell
[12:25] <L8Gr8> Thank you :)
[12:25] <laggerzero> it has 2.6.10
[12:25] <airox> bleeding edge ...
[12:25] <L8Gr8> anybody know why symlinks should disappear on reboot?
[12:25] <Brunellus_> arse.
[12:25] <Draal> $ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:25] <Marble2> will using a low screen hertz rate hurt anything?
[12:25] <Draal> oops
[12:25] <laggerzero> installing it now
[12:25] <Brunellus_> why is it that I can "see" my printserver in the "network"
[12:26] <rezman> has anyone gotten linksys wireless g working
[12:26] <Brunellus_> and I can't *print* to that same printserver?!
[12:26] <airox> Can I delete some symlinks in the runlevels if I don't use LVM and RAID ???
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Draal: you're on the right track :)
[12:26] <djp> Marble2: only your eyes! ;)
[12:26] <Marble2> it will?
[12:26] <airox> rezman: yes.
[12:26] <farruinn> Brunellus_: probably because the network place uses a different protocol than cups
[12:26] <munki> has anybody got the Wireless Belkin 7010 working ?
[12:26] <farruinn> Brunellus_: or whatever your print server is
[12:26] <Brunellus_> farruinn:  the printserver is SMB
[12:26] <Brunellus_> and I'm trying to configure it as an SMB printer
[12:26] <rezman> airox: what do i need to get it working
[12:26] <farruinn> Brunellus_: right, but you don't print via smb
[12:27] <Brunellus_> this is confusing.
[12:27] <membreya> hmmm, can you blacklist a module that starts in the kernel and not as a seperate module?
[12:27] <Marble2> running it at 75 distorts windows in ubuntu at 1280x1024
[12:27] <Brunellus_> how do I get it up, then?
[12:27] <Marble2> but running at 60 fixes it
[12:27] <airox> rezman: look if there are drivers, and find some guide to install them.
[12:27] <Marble2> will it actually mess up my eyes?
[12:27] <airox> rezman: lspci displays it ?
[12:27] <knucks> im trying to reconfigure x11 right now..
[12:27] <chrissturm> does the -27 kernel have problems with the fglrx driver?
[12:27] <knucks> what do i put as my cards bus identifier? its an agp card
[12:27] <rezman> its displayed in gnomes device manager
[12:28] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: is there a kernel that doesn't? :/
[12:28] <djp> Marble2: i am using 1024x768 @ 75hz, 60hz is a real strain on the eys if you are looking at amnitor for a long period of time
[12:28] <farruinn> Brunellus_: maybe I'm wrong, but last I knew smb was for filesharing, not printing
[12:28] <Marble2> okay, I'm back at 75
[12:28] <Marble2> but it's weird.. the corners of my monitor seem kinda wavey after a little bit
[12:29] <Marble2> I just started noticing it after I upgraded to hoary
[12:29] <knucks> what do i put for my cards bus identifier?
[12:29] <djp> Marble2: which, as you can tell from my spelling, i have been doing for far too long today!
[12:29] <farruinn> knucks: it doesn't have a default?
[12:29] <knucks> i need to set it up through the x11 reconfiguration setup thing
[12:29] <agabus> i need help please mounting a secondary hard-drive of mine formatted with fat32 please
[12:29] <knucks> default is PCI:1:0:0
[12:29] <Brunellus_> farruinn, great.  now I'm all confused.
[12:29] <Brunellus_> I'm reduced to trying menu-options at random
[12:29] <farruinn> Brunellus_: this server is a windows box?
[12:30] <agabus> anyone?
[12:30] <farruinn> knucks: I would go with that - it's going to be different depending on your motherboard methinks
[12:30] <djp> Marble2: you may need to lower your resolution to use 75hz. i know i do. any higher than 1024x768 and i have to lower the hertz
[12:30] <airox> agabus: mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /media/fat32
[12:30] <airox> ?
[12:30] <airox> agabus: Or put a line in fstab for it.
[12:30] <airox> agabus: Then it will be mounted at startup.
[12:30] <djp> Marble2: that is a hardware issue. my monitor is pushed to the limit.
[12:31] <Marble2> that sucks
[12:31] <membreya> can you blacklist a module that starts in the kernel and not as a seperate module?
[12:31] <agabus> airox - thanks, ill try it and then report back
[12:31] <farruinn> membreya: as in it's listed in the initrd.img?
[12:31] <airox> agabus: ok.
[12:31] <djp> Marble2: it's ok for me. i am quite hapy with my 1024x768@75hz.
[12:32] <membreya> farruinn: my system is currently using the intel_agp and I want it to use nvagp
[12:32] <membreya> my dmesg has NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!
[12:32] <agabus> airox - do i need to
[12:32] <agabus> sudo to mount the hdd?
[12:33] <farruinn> membreya: sorry, I don't have nvidia
[12:33] <airox> agabus: yes, in ubuntu you have to.
[12:33] <airox> agabus: If a normal user could do it then it would be bad, would it ?
[12:33] <eb0x> I need help with my sound.... my sound card is inside my computer, but for some reason I can't play sound files... will somebody help me, please?
[12:33] <hone> airox, can't you make it user mountable in fstab?
[12:33] <airox> maybe
[12:34] <hone> airox, under options, just put user
[12:34] <mdblitz1> ayep, thats what I was going to say
[12:34] <airox> hone: yep.
[12:34] <inner_> hello friends.  Is there any sound problem with Hoary today?  HAving problems with sound quality. (not artifacts, just lack of bass)
[12:34] <eb0x> inner_: I can't even get my sound to work at all.. did you have to do anything to enable it?
[12:34] <agabus> how do iu find out what hd? is my secondary hdd
[12:35] <eb0x> When I go to open volume control, I get "No volume control elements and/or devices found."
[12:35] <inner_> nope, nothing.  It was working perfectly, but something went wrong after last night updates.
[12:35] <Slackman> hi guys, quick question. When i shut the lid of my ibook, it the light turns off but it doesn't actually sleep
[12:35] <airox> agabus: You should know it :)
[12:35] <mdblitz1> eb0x: make sure linux supports your sound card
[12:35] <airox> agabus: but you can check with cfdisk
[12:35] <thoreauputic> agabus: probably hdb , but try sudo fdisk -l
[12:35] <airox> agabus: or check which devices there are available in /dev
[12:35] <djp> oh well, time for my bed... night all
[12:36] <mdblitz1> night
[12:36] <airox> nigh djp
[12:36] <eb0x> mdblitz1: How do I make sure of that?
[12:36] <agabus> yeh its hdb
[12:36] <knucks> it tells me that my xserver package may not be isntalled correctly
[12:36] <knucks> because i cant run nvidia-glx-config
[12:36] <eb0x> mdblitz1: I have a Creative SoundBlaster Live! sound card
[12:36] <knucks> tells me the xorg.conf files are missing
[12:36] <agabus> airox - mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/fat32 busy
[12:36] <inner_> I am a professional musician, I do sound editing with Ubuntu Linux, it was working perfectly friends.  But sudenly something went wrong with sound quality.  OSS and ALSA servers work fine but...
[12:36] <knucks> and whjen i try to view them, they are empty
[12:36] <mdblitz1> go to google and search for a hardware conpatibity list
[12:36] <knucks> someone, PLEASE help
[12:36] <hone> inner_, youcheck alsamier?
[12:36] <thully> Is there anybody using an iPod on Linux?  If so, what software do you use?  Does Rhythmbox work well?  I'm thinking about getting one...
[12:36] <inner_> eb0x: find out if your user has audio privileges.
[12:36] <Draal> How do I access synaptic?
[12:37] <eb0x> inner_: In users & groups
[12:37] <eb0x> ?
[12:37] <mdblitz1> system > administration
[12:37] <inner_> yes
[12:37] <airox> agabus: Well, do a `df` to check if it's already.
[12:37] <Slackman> thully, try the iRiver ones...they support oggs and are usable under linux
[12:37] <Draal> What?
[12:37] <Draal> System > Admin?
[12:37] <inner_> yes = yes at the user and groups thing
[12:37] <knucks> this is so annoying..
[12:37] <mdblitz1> click on the system menu then the administration menu
[12:37] <agabus> airox - ok how do i use df?
[12:37] <knucks> i bet its a really simple problem
[12:37] <eb0x> Draal: System > Administration > Synaptic
[12:37] <airox> agabus: in your console
[12:37] <Slackman> knucks, whats your issue?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> Draal: computer >> system admin >> synaptic package manager
[12:37] <inner_> and yes = I have checked the alsamixer
[12:37] <Brunellus_> fooking 'ell
[12:37] <knucks> all i want to do is rollback to the default xserver
[12:38] <inner_> but I can't figure out why I loose the bass frequencies
[12:38] <Slackman> knucks, apt-get remove xorg
[12:38] <thully> they are > expensive than ipods in what I see - ipod minis vs. comparable iriver at least
[12:38] <knucks> Slackman: i installed nvidia-glx, and now x tells me there aer no screens present
[12:38] <agabus> airox - ok i done it, but hdb is not in there
[12:38] <Draal> Thanks
[12:38] <eb0x> inner_: my user does have permission to use audio devices
[12:38] <airox> agabus: Does the fat32 partition reside on the same hard disk ?
[12:38] <agabus> no
[12:38] <airox> Or do you have more hard disks ?
[12:39] <Slackman> knucks, well i think you should have a back up file in that case...otherwise just run xorgconfig or xconfig which ever your running
[12:39] <knucks> Slackman: i tried..still no go
[12:39] <knucks> what do i do after i remove xorg
[12:39] <inner_> eb0x: i c... hmmm ok... try opening the alsamixer at the console
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I don't get it
[12:40] <eb0x> inner_: How do I open that?
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I can see the print server on "network"
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I know it to be an SMB thing
[12:40] <eb0x> inner_: run alsamixer or ./alsamixer ?
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I know that the printer is on P1
[12:40] <Brunellus_> what's missing?
[12:40] <Brunellus_> why won't it run?
[12:40] <knucks> it tells me that xorg.conf is missing from my system
[12:40] <thoreauputic> inner_: you just type alsamixer
[12:40] <Slackman> knucks, re-install Xfree or xorg...which ever you were using to begin with
[12:41] <knucks> Well im on hoary
[12:41] <knucks> so xorg i guess?
[12:41] <Slackman> knucks, xorg i guess
[12:41] <knucks> how do i do that?
[12:41] <knucks> sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg
[12:41] <knucks> and then apt-get install it again?
[12:41] <speedy2782> root@laptop:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:41] <speedy2782> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:41] <thoreauputic> knucks: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[12:41] <knucks> ok
[12:41] <speedy2782> anyone have any idea what the "h" that means
[12:41] <Slackman> knucks, well you can use dpkg reconfigure or something
[12:42] <Brunellus_> I try to print, and I get
[12:42] <Brunellus_> "Unable to connect to SAMBA host...retry in 60 seconds
[12:42] <helloyo> anyone else having difficulties with evolution 2.2? it won't delete stuff half the time
[12:42] <L8Gr8> I'm reading a config file, does anybody know what this means:${1}
[12:42] <L8Gr8> ${1}
[12:42] <Brunellus_> "DEBUG: 1%EndFont
[12:43] <inner_> hone, does anybody knows what does toggles like External amplifier do at the Alsa Mixer:  they apparently do nothing.
[12:43] <sid77> hi
[12:43] <hone> inner_, sorry don't know much about sound
[12:43] <thoreauputic> inner_: use your arrow keys
[12:43] <Brunellus_> sh*t.  this is even worse
[12:43] <Brunellus_> now I can't even see windows network
[12:44] <inner_> yes, I know the alsamixer much, but this time I can't figure what was changed at hoary that made sound server sound this bad...
[12:44] <inner_> its a question of quality
[12:44] <inner_> in fact I didnt realised it till I plugged the pro audio card to my laptop...
[12:44] <helloyo> arghh!!! evolution is barely working at all in hoary
[12:44] <thoreauputic> inner_: are you on hoary?
[12:45] <inner_> yes thoreauputic
[12:45] <inner_> on hoary
[12:45] <eb0x> thoreauputic: Is the Creative SoundBlaster Live! sound card supported by Linux?
[12:45] <Brunellus_> nobody here knows anything about getting a network printer running?
[12:45] <inner_> yes eb0x
[12:45] <thoreauputic> inner_: I don't know much about this, but crimsun was talking about polypaudio and esd here
[12:45] <inner_> Oh! interesting thoreau
[12:46] <thoreauputic> inner_: he's one of the devs who knows sound
[12:46] <L8Gr8> I returned my SBLive. Creative Audigy2 works.
[12:46] <inner_> thx!
[12:46] <thoreauputic> inner_: polypaudio has been problematic apparently
[12:46] <inner_> I see...
[12:46] <mdblitz1> I know sometimes to make gaim work on my sound card I have to make it use ESD audio
[12:46] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $ alsamixer
[12:46] <eb0x> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:46] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $
[12:46] <Brunellus_> nobody for samba?
[12:46] <tck> having sound problems
[12:46] <eb0x> What do I do about that?
[12:46] <desrt> http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=138287
[12:46] <tck> it used to work today and then it suddenly stopped
[12:46] <desrt> i'm getting this exact problem ^^
[12:46] <Draal> How do I enable mp3 playback?
[12:47] <tck> this happen to anyone else ?
[12:47] <helloyo> why won't evolution do what i tell it to?
[12:47] <desrt> does anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:47] <koen_> yeah i wondering about that aswell
[12:47] <inner_> to me tck
[12:47] <tck> how you work around it
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Draal: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:47] <Brunellus_> Draal:  wiki.  "restricted-formats"
[12:47] <inner_> I am having sound quality problems
[12:47] <mdblitz1> Draal: you shouldn't have to
[12:47] <tck> it give the drum bear on ubuntu desktop login
[12:47] <koen_> i cant play mp3
[12:47] <tck> but that is all
[12:47] <koen_> either
[12:47] <koen_> i installed gstreamer
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Draal: then use the music player (rhythmbox)
[12:47] <tck> ditto
[12:47] <blizah> is it possible to install gaim encryption on warty?
[12:47] <koen_> rhytemnbox hangs on my system :)
[12:48] <koen_> i think ill go back you vectorlinux
[12:48] <thoreauputic> koen_: gstreamer0.8-mad is the package name
[12:48] <koen_> but what i dont get, i can type any packagename
[12:48] <koen_> it does outputs anything when ready
[12:48] <helloyo> can anyone tell me why evolution barely works?
[12:48] <inner_> tck: does your user have audio privileges?
[12:49] <koen_> does ubuntu confirms when a apt-get is succesfull ?
[12:49] <mdblitz1> helloyo: barely works how?
[12:49] <inner_> yes koen_
[12:49] <farruinn> helloyo: you need to be more specific
[12:49] <thoreauputic> koen_: you'll see it configuring once it's downloaded
[12:49] <koen_> weird it does confirms anything
[12:49] <koen_> weird
[12:49] <tck> inner_, that shouldnt make a diff
[12:50] <koen_> how can i copy/paste to terminal ?
[12:50] <tck> right now my system plays mp3's
[12:50] <tck> weird
[12:50] <thoreauputic> koen_: highlight, middle click to paste
[12:50] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $ alsamixer
[12:50] <eb0x> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:50] <eb0x> What do I do about that?
[12:50] <farruinn> could someone with mol installed please run 'startmol --list' to tell me where the modules should be?
[12:51] <NeoCicak> how do i know what version my gnome is?
[12:51] <koen_> what version of debian is ubuntu running on ?
[12:51] <helloyo> mdblitz1, farruinn, i was making lots of changes to stuff, then the changes stopped taking effect, i'd delete something but nothing would happen
[12:51] <thoreauputic> farruinn: if you can wait a few minutes I'll get my laptop...
[12:51] <mdblitz1> NeoCicak: good chance its 2.10
[12:51] <eb0x> NeoCicak: System > About Gnome
[12:51] <netdur> ubuntu (codename hoary) 5.10 the number mean the month.day of year it release, so hoary is 5.04 and next is 5.10... betwreen 5.04 and 5.10 it's year and six days
[12:51] <farruinn> thoreauputic: you're awesome
[12:52] <jazzka> hi!
[12:52] <NeoCicak> eb0x: ahhha.. of course. silly  me.. thx!
[12:52] <koen_> why doesnt ubuntu comes with mp3 ? doesnt everyone wants mp3 ? :)
[12:52] <cocol> netdur,6 months
[12:52] <netdur> what happen to six month release?
[12:52] <eyequeue> s/year and six days/six months/
[12:52] <jazzka> hoary's intallation says that can't find a driver for the cd-rom, which module should I load?
[12:52] <jazzka> any idea?
[12:52] <mdblitz1> hmm
[12:53] <mseney> koen_, nah not really. it's more widespread I think for Windows people. I prefer ogg.
[12:53] <mdblitz1> helloyo: what changes were you making?
[12:53] <drspin> koen_: search google for "RestrictedFormats"
[12:53] <eyequeue> netdur:  october isn't over a year away
[12:53] <netdur> do it's year.month
[12:53] <mdblitz1> in preferences?
[12:53] <mseney> koen_, also flac is another thats lossless
[12:53] <Draal> Oh ya.. Only Windows people..
[12:53] <Draal> Its not like they account for 98% of the user base though..
[12:53] <Draal> Or anything silly like that
[12:53] <drspin> heh I have TONS of mp3 fles
[12:53] <mseney> i know i know
[12:53] <drspin> Draal: LOL
[12:54] <mseney> i think some mp3 players will run ogg these days i thought i heard somewhere
[12:54] <koen_> how can i install a packages
[12:54] <mdblitz1> anyone here tried installing mysql query browser?
[12:54] <koen_> something like installpkg
[12:54] <farruinn> koen_: apt-get install package
[12:54] <helloyo> mdblitz1, i'm deleting certain occurances of a recurrence
[12:54] <farruinn> koen_: sudo apt-get install package
[12:54] <koen_> no i dont want apt-get
[12:54] <koen_> i want to download packages and install them manual
[12:55] <mdblitz1> koen_: dpkg -i <package>
[12:55] <mseney> koen_, i think you have to install some lame package or something to get mp3 playback capability. try searching the ubuntu forums im sure you can find out how to do it easily
[12:55] <farruinn> koen_: that's not usually a good idea, make sure it's not in universe first
[12:55] <helloyo> mdblitz1, i seem to have found the glitch, in the exception list it adds the date before the one i actually deleted...
[12:55] <mdblitz1> ok
 apt-get doesnt work
[12:55] <eb0x> Has anyone in here had problems with their sound using a "Creative SoundBlaster Live!" Sound Card? I NEED HELP!
[12:56] <thoreauputic> farruinn: heh - that command says I have no modules, yet mol is starting as we speak :)
[12:56] <cocol> koen, dpkg -i package
[12:56] <farruinn> thoreauputic: hrm... vewy vewy intewesting
[12:56] <hone> koen_, you can get gstreamer plugins
[12:56] <hone> koen_, to get mp3 support
[12:56] <hone> koen_, depending on the app
[12:56] <thoreauputic> farruinn: available modules:  <none>
[12:56] <koen_> i want something similair to winamp, what should i get ?
[12:56] <drspin> eb0x: what problems are you having?
[12:56] <eb0x> When I try to open alsamixer  ..... I get this error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" .... What can be done to fix this?
[12:56] <mseney> yeah i was just reading the forums and mp3 support was removed due to patent issues
[12:57] <drspin> koen_: XMMS
[12:57] <thoreauputic> farruinn: bizarre, hey?
[12:57] <eb0x> drspin: I can't play music
[12:57] <farruinn> thoreauputic: what do you have in /usr/lib/mol/modules?
[12:57] <eb0x> drspin: Well, i can't hear any sound at all.
[12:57] <thoreauputic> hang on
[12:57] <membreya_> im trying to compile the drivers for quickcam express, it compiles but immediately says "unknown symbol in module" any ideas?
[12:57] <mseney> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=302&page=2&pp=10
[12:57] <JDahl> eb0x, in general you dont have to ask for help here... however, actually asking a question normally gives you more feedback
[12:57] <mdblitz1> anyone tried installing mysql query browser?
[12:57] <jazzka> what can I do if ubuntu's installation doesnt recognize my cd-rom drive?
[12:57] <drspin> eb0x: paste the output of aplay -l in #flood
[12:58] <jazzka> I dont have a disk with driver, can I insmod any module? is a LG cd-rom
[12:58] <thoreauputic> farruinn: hmm - zilch, nada
[12:59] <drspin> eb0x: paste the results of lsmod in #flood
[12:59] <eb0x> drspin: Okay, I'm back with you here.
[12:59] <eb0x> drspin: Ok, 1 sec
[12:59] <farruinn> thoreauputic: can you /msg me the output of 'dpkg -L mol-modules-$(uname -r)?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> farruinn: don't ask me how this is working, but I have OS-x running right now in mol...
[01:00] <Brunellus_> h'mmm
[01:00] <Brunellus_> OK.  I'm stumped
[01:00] <eni_> which is the hava package name in apt-get ?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I'll have to fire up an IRC client on the lappie
[01:00] <eni_> s/hava/java
[01:00] <thoreauputic> hang on
[01:00] <thenuke> there is no patch/upgrade for the root exploit in kernel still?
[01:00] <Brunellus_> how in blazes do I get a networked printer going?
[01:01] <eyequeue> eni_:  see ubuntuguide, or the wiki
[01:01] <eni_> do you know its name : eyequeue ?
[01:01] <eyequeue> eni_:  one of those two gives a detailed howto, since it's not in ubuntu proper, iirc
[01:01] <drspin> eb0x: sudo modprobe snd_pcm
[01:01] <eyequeue> eni_:  hence there is no name you can just plug in
[01:02] <Brunellus_> nobody on networked printing?
[01:02] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_pcm
[01:02] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:02] <mdblitz1> I need to know if anyone has installed mysql query browser
[01:02] <drspin> eb0x: lsmod |grep snd in #ubuntu
[01:02] <mdblitz1> and if I can use apt-get to get it
[01:02] <drspin> eb0x: er in #flood rather
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Guys
[01:03] <cafe_roy> Brunellus_: cups ?
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Where does apt-get install phpmyadmin?
[01:03] <eni_> what do you mean ? eyequeue
[01:03] <eni_> I do apt-get install java and there is no package named java
[01:03] <farruinn> Quest-Master: dpkg -L phpmyadmin ?
[01:03] <Brunellus_> cafe_roy:  that's not terribly helpful to me.
[01:03] <eni_> apt-cache search java and I get a big list.
[01:03] <Brunellus_> let me explain:
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Nvm, got it.
[01:03] <eb0x> drspin: gotcha :p
[01:03] <eyequeue> eni_:  you'd need to add some special repositories or some other special procedure, not a simple apt-get
[01:03] <cocol> eni jre
[01:03] <Brunellus_> the printer is connected to a hawkingtech parallel print server
[01:03] <Brunellus_> I have successfully printed to this printer over the network from a windows box
[01:04] <drspin> eb0x: ls /dev/dsp
[01:04] <eyequeue> eni_:  i know i read it there, just didn't feel like adding non-free things to my box, so basically ignored it
[01:04] <mdblitz1> Quest-Master: what did you have to type for apt-get to finbd phpmyadmin?
[01:04] <eni_> ???
[01:04] <Brunellus_> on the windows box, it's an SMB printer
[01:04] <mdblitz1> keeps telling me it can't fin the package
[01:04] <eni_> cocol is it named jre ?
[01:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # ls /dev/dsp
[01:04] <eb0x> ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:04] <cocol> yep
[01:04] <Brunellus_> in nautilus, I can see the print-server in "network"
[01:04] <Brunellus_> but I can't print to it!
[01:04] <eni_> root@galaxy:/tmp # apt-get install jre
[01:04] <eni_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:04] <eni_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:04] <eni_> E: Couldn't find package jre
[01:05] <hone> mdblitz1, apt-cache search phpmyadmin
[01:05] <eyequeue> eni_:  that would be a runtime only not a jdk
[01:05] <mdblitz1> thanks
[01:05] <hone> eni_, you need to use java-pakcage to bulid it
[01:05] <eyequeue> eni_:  and again, non-free
[01:05] <hone> eni_, since it's not "free"
[01:05] <eb0x> drspin: Is there a package that i need to install for /dev/dsp to be there
[01:05] <eni_> I have to pay ? or what?
[01:05] <drspin> eb0x: no -- the module for your soundcard has to be loaded...
[01:05] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is there a repository that has mplayer/win32 codecs etc in it (and is AMD64 compatible?)
[01:06] <drspin> eb0x: sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm
[01:06] <eyequeue> eni_:  freedom doesn't really correspond to payment status
[01:06] <hone> eni_, no it's not free as in speech
[01:06] <hone> eni_, not beer
[01:06] <drspin> eb0x: sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:06] <thoreauputic_> farruinn: did you get my dcc chat request?
[01:06] <drspin> eb0x: ls /dev/dsp
[01:06] <koen_> how can i log in as root ?
[01:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm
[01:06] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.
[01:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:06] <koen_> what password do i use at loginscreen
[01:06] <drspin> koen_: sudo -s
[01:06] <eyequeue> koen_:  you're not advised to in ubuntu, use sudo instead
[01:06] <koen_> no i want to login as root
[01:06] <farruinn> thoreauputic_: hm, nope...
[01:06] <drspin> koen_: why would you want to login in to a root X session?
[01:07] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm
[01:07] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.
[01:07] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:07] <farruinn> thoreauputic_: what is dcc?
[01:07] <koen_> sudo doest work
[01:07] <koen_> it just doesnt do anything
[01:07] <eb0x> koen_: 'sudo su'
[01:07] <thoreauputic_> farruinn: /j #flood
[01:07] <farruinn> koen_: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:07] <mdblitz1> hone: its not find anything when I type that
[01:07] <eyequeue> koen_:  if you truly want to do something dangerous, it's on the wiki, i'll not tell hom in a public irc channel
[01:07] <drspin> eb0x: try just sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:07] <hone> hone@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search phpmyadmin
[01:07] <eyequeue> s/hom/how/
[01:07] <hone> eskuel - A MySQL databases administration interface in PHP-scripts
[01:07] <hone> phpmyadmin - A set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW
[01:07] <koen_> there is no password for sudo right ? after installation
[01:08] <drspin> koen_: it's your password --
[01:08] <koen_> oh :)
[01:08] <eyequeue> koen_:  read the url you were given (yes you do need a password)
[01:08] <koen_> rofl, someone told me its blank
[01:08] <mdblitz1> hone: so why won't it find it on mine?
[01:08] <eyequeue> koen_:  i recommend you read that url
[01:08] <koen_> no i get why it wouldnt work
[01:08] <koen_> thanks
[01:08] <keffo> Ok, so I have this huge problem. Something happend and X (xorg) cant be loaded at boot up. When I use another terminal and run some commands it works, and glxgears gives right FPS etc.. the thing is, we made this script wich should do all those thingies tog et it working.. And its loading at boot but X still doesnt start, when I just run the script from console.. it goes "poff". heres the script www.tehjunkyard.net/www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt
[01:08] <drspin> koen_: your ROOT password is empty -- for security reasons -- use sudo
[01:08] <koen_> im used to slackware, this is different
[01:08] <eb0x> drspin: k ...
[01:08] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:08] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:09] <keffo> www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt <-
[01:09] <hone> mdblitz1, repositories
[01:09] <inner_> Hello crimsum.  I was told you are a dev working on sound issues.  Is there any known problem with hoary updates recently?
[01:09] <drspin> eb0x: ls /dev/dsp
[01:09] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # ls dev/dsp
[01:09] <eb0x> ls: dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:09] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:09] <mdblitz1> hone: I'm new to ubuntu, can you explain that?
[01:09] <eb0x> woops
[01:09] <eb0x> but same results for ls /dev/dsp
[01:09] <drspin> eb0x: put a slash in front of dev
[01:10] <drspin> eb0x: paste lsmod|grep snd in #flood
[01:10] <eb0x> ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:10] <hone> mdblitz1, sure
[01:10] <hone> mdblitz1, ubuntu is based off debian, and apt looks in respositories to find packages
[01:10] <eb0x> drspin: done
[01:10] <hone> mdblitz1, so depending on what your repositories are depends on what packages you can apt-get install
[01:10] <koen_> what does this mean: E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[01:10] <cocol> mdblitz1, http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:10] <mdblitz1> thanks
[01:11] <drspin> eb0x: it all looks good -- aplay -l
[01:11] <farruinn> thoreauputic_: they're the same files as what I've got, so I guess it's not a mol-modules-* problem
[01:11] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # aplay -l
[01:11] <eb0x> aplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found...
[01:11] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:11] <cocol> :)
[01:11] <hone> cocol, :)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> koen_: it means you haven't enabled the universe repository
[01:11] <thoreauputic> farruinn: OK
[01:11] <drspin> eb0x: boo
[01:11] <drspin> eb0x: gimme a second... gotta find something real quick
[01:12] <thoreauputic> koen_: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:12] <keffo> crimsun awake?
[01:12] <koen_> thanks
[01:12] <eb0x> drspin: Okay. I found something on the internet, i searched for EMU10k1X in google, and I guess a lot of people have been having trouble with the sound card in the Dell computers, which is what I have..
[01:13] <eb0x> drspin: I don't know if that will do us any good as to what needs to be done for me to get my sound working
[01:13] <farruinn> Brunellus_: take a look at the tail end of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=printing
[01:13] <drspin> eb0x: I also have a DELL and it works fine -- are you using hoary or warty?
[01:13] <eb0x> drspin: hoary
[01:13] <NeoCicak> eb0x: same with me.. mine is fine
[01:13] <eb0x> drspin: I had warty before, and it didn't work there :/
[01:13] <NeoCicak> eb0x: mine is audigy2... what's yours??
[01:13] <eb0x> NeoCicak: soundblaster live
[01:13] <drspin> eb0x: past # cat /proc/pci in #flood
[01:13] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I got most of my stuff with apt - so not a lot of compiling involved
[01:14] <drspin> mine SB Live! Value
[01:14] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # cat /proc/pci
[01:14] <eb0x> cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory
[01:14] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:14] <farruinn> thoreauputic: same here...
[01:14] <eb0x> drspin: what dell do you have?
[01:14] <drspin> uhhhhhh.....
[01:14] <inner_> crimsun?
[01:14] <drspin> eb0x: Dell 4500 purchased about three years ago
[01:14] <eb0x> drspin: I have a dell dimension 4550 .. im just using the sound card that came in this computer
[01:15] <membreya> with .patch files, how do you get the compiler to automatically recognise them ?
[01:15] <hone> doesn't dell
[01:15] <Brunellus_> farruinn:  thanks.
[01:15] <skel_home> what version of debian would warty be closest to?
[01:15] <hone> have special sblive cards?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> inner_: he's away, I'm afraid
[01:15] <hone> skel_home: sarge/testing?
[01:15] <eb0x> hone:  thats what i had found on the internet
[01:15] <drspin> eb0x: mine came with a SB Live Value -- and it worked fine for me... what chipset is your motherboard using?
[01:15] <hone> yeah
[01:15] <hone> you need like emu10k1x
[01:15] <eb0x> hone: ya thats what i found in device manager
[01:15] <skel_home> hone: ok I'm just trying to find out which source to stick in my list of mplayer..
[01:15] <cocol> sarge=unstable
[01:16] <eb0x> drspin: I couldn't tell you, how can I find out?
[01:16] <msh__> no
[01:16] <msh__> sarge = testing
[01:16] <eb0x> hone: do i need to install emu10k1x or something?
[01:16] <msh__> sid = unstable
[01:16] <thoreauputic> cocol: no, sarge=testing
[01:16] <inner_> yes thoreauputic, thats what I think as well :-)
[01:16] <cocol> ok
[01:16] <drspin> eb0x:System -> Administration -> Device Manager
[01:16] <thoreauputic> cocol: sid=unstable
[01:16] <keffo> Ok, so I have this huge problem. Something happend and X (xorg) cant be loaded at boot up. When I use another terminal and run some commands it works, and glxgears gives right FPS etc.. the thing is, we made this script wich should do all those thingies tog et it working.. And its loading at boot but X still doesnt start, when I just run the script from console.. it goes "poff". heres the script www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt
[01:16] <msh__> whats the run level in ubuntu to make it boot to console and not load X or GDM/
[01:16] <eb0x> drspin: ok im there
[01:16] <drspin> msh__: init 1
[01:17] <hone> eb0x: no the module
[01:17] <thoreauputic> msh__: ha - sorry I missed your posts :)
[01:17] <eyequeue> msh__:  that's not how debian-based distros do it
[01:17] <msh__> 1?
[01:17] <msh__> oh
[01:17] <msh__> ok
[01:17] <msh__> im used to slack
[01:17] <msh__> and bsd
[01:17] <msh__> which is 3
[01:17] <eb0x> hone: where can i get that module from?
[01:17] <eyequeue> msh__:  2 == 3 == 4 == 5
[01:17] <thoreauputic> msh__: debian distros have runlevel 2 default
[01:17] <farruinn> msh__: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:17] <msh__> so
[01:17] <eyequeue> msh__:  man update-rc.d
[01:17] <thoreauputic> msh__: nad don't use runlevels the same way
[01:17] <msh__> in inittab, change runlevel 2 1?
[01:18] <membreya> with .patch files, how do you get the compiler to automatically recognise them ? :|
[01:18] <hone> eb0x: should be part of alsa
[01:18] <eyequeue> msh__:  no, you don't want that, almost guaranteed.  see the man page
[01:18] <drspin> msh__: farruinn has a much better way -- init 1 is single-user mode...
[01:18] <drspin> eb0x: emu10k1 works just fine for me
[01:19] <eyequeue> msh__:  it will explain how to simply remove gdm from  one of your runlevels
[01:19] <msh__> i prefer a console enviroment running screen split into 4 windows
[01:19] <farruinn> msh__: or s/gdm/[xorg|xfree86] -common
[01:19] <msh__> :P
[01:19] <b0lt> hey
[01:19] <msh__> ok
[01:19] <eb0x> hone: i dont know what alsa is .. im very new to linux
[01:19] <msh__> do i have to update-rc.d?
[01:19] <eb0x> drspin: what did you want me to do in device manager?
[01:19] <hone> eb0x: www.alsa-project.org
[01:19] <hone> eb0x: linux sound drivers
[01:19] <hone> eb0x: but I gotta go eat.
[01:19] <b0lt> can someone give me a hand with setting up ubuntu as the gateway for an adhoc wireless network?
[01:19] <eyequeue> msh__:  that would be "the debian/ubuntu way"
[01:19] <b0lt> (ipforwarding)
[01:19] <msh__> eyequeue: do i have to update-rc.d?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> OK I'm tired - time to sign off - later all :)
[01:20] <eyequeue> msh__:  it's not painful :)
[01:20] <msh__> im just asking
[01:20] <msh__> in slack
[01:20] <msh__> i didnt have to
[01:20] <eyequeue> msh__:  but again, this isn't slack
[01:20] <msh__> i understand
[01:20] <koen_> oh oh i think i have a problem, does this mean im running a unstable ubuntu: Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:21] <b0lt> warty isn't unstable
[01:21] <drspin> eb0x: did you install from a recent warty ISO?
[01:21] <koen_> it says this in sources.list
[01:21] <eyequeue> msh__:  boot procedures seem to be one of the more significant areas of difference between distros
[01:21] <koen_> what does this mean:  unstable main restricted
[01:21] <drspin> warty is a *stable* preview release of ubuntu as I understand it
[01:21] <Tomcat_> No, warty is a stable release of Ubuntu.
[01:22] <eb0x> drspin: i assume so, i got the cd in the mail recently
[01:22] <Slackman> msh__, slackware uses more of a bsd style init....
[01:22] <eyequeue> warty isn't preview, warty is the current stable release
[01:22] <blizah> ive made a launcher icon for firestarter (firewall), but it has to be run as root...can i make an icon execute the sudo command/
[01:22] <blizah> ?
[01:22] <koen_> but why is unstable in my sources.list ?
[01:22] <eb0x> drspin: i also updated last night to hoary
[01:22] <eyequeue> blizah:  in "command:" preface it with "gksudo "
[01:22] <desrt> does ubuntu have an rc.local sort of deal?
[01:22] <eyequeue> blizah:  "gksudo foo bar"
[01:23] <farruinn> blizah: it's gksu by default which won't work since there's no root password
[01:23] <Slackman> desrt, i'd like to know that too
[01:23] <drspin> eb0x: then you should be good... hmmm -- I'm stumped... try logging out, killing X [ctrl + alt + backspace]  and logging back in -- then ls /dev/dsp
[01:23] <blizah> perfect tnx guys
[01:23] <eyequeue> desrt:  no, see 'man update-rc.d" for info on ubuntu's boot procedure
[01:23] <eyequeue> Slackman:  ^^
[01:23] <desrt> thx.
[01:23] <Slackman> cheers
[01:23] <koen_> i don't get it, you tell me warthy is stable, but sources.list says different why ?
[01:23] <farruinn> koen_: what?
[01:24] <koen_> Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:24] <koen_> what does that line means ?
[01:24] <eyequeue> koen_:  warty is stable.  you may have some old cd image that it read from
[01:24] <koen_> so that it bad ?
[01:24] <eyequeue> koen_:  that looks suspiciously like it came off a cd
[01:25] <koen_> yes but a unstable cd ?
[01:25] <eb0x> okay drspin
[01:25] <koen_> im kind of panicing, because my windows computer just got fried :)
[01:25] <eb0x> im gonna try installing this alsa thing
[01:25] <eb0x> and see what that does
[01:25] <drspin> eb0x: hang on -- lemme try something real quick
[01:25] <eb0x> drspin:  ok
[01:25] <eyequeue> koen_:  warty becmae stable in october.  earlier versions probably called themselves unstable
[01:26] <koen_> hmm i should get a new cdimage i guess.. that sucks without a burner :)
[01:26] <eyequeue> koen_:  deep breath :)  does your warty box have internet access?
[01:26] <msh__> so what would be the command for update-rcd?
[01:26] <koen_> yes
[01:26] <koen_> im on warhty now
[01:26] <msh__> update-rc.d inittab remove?
[01:26] <eyequeue> koen_:  i'll msg you a line to add to it, to make sure you have current pacakges, okay?
[01:26] <koen_> okay
[01:27] <drspin> eb0x: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[01:27] <msh__> update-rc.d inittab remove?
[01:27] <msh__> so what would be the command for update-rcd?
[01:27] <Brunellus_> OK.  progress.
[01:28] <b0lt> can someone give me a hand with setting up ubuntu as the gateway for an adhoc wireless network?
[01:28] <Brunellus_> now I have timeouts instead of host not found
[01:29] <speedy2782> I am trying to load a motorola wn825g onto my dell inspiron 1000. I am running Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux. after ndiswrapper -i driver.inf and modprobe I get error. FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted. I am at a loss. Any suggestions.
[01:30] <eb0x> drspin: okay i did that and tried to go into my volume monitor and it tells me to run esd
[01:30] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # esd
[01:30] <eb0x> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:30] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:30] <membreya> noone here knows how to use .patch files? or is it too complicated? :P
[01:31] <eb0x> no i dont membreya sorry.
[01:31] <eyequeue> membreya:  man patch, but it's pretty simple, you MIGHT need a -p 1
[01:31] <ghita> hello!
[01:32] <eyequeue> membreya:  /usr/bin/patch -p 1< foo.patch type thing
[01:32] <ghita> can somebody tell me how can i remove a package without its dependencies?
[01:32] <ghita> please!
[01:33] <Brunellus_> ugh.  this is irritating.  in the extreme.
[01:35] <speedy2782> how do I uninstall ndiswrapper
[01:35] <Brunellus_> speedy2782:  go to where you untarred ndiswrapper
[01:35] <Jesterace> anyone know how to install alsa-cvs in ubuntu?
[01:35] <Brunellus_> then make uninstall
[01:35] <scorpix_> how can i make incremental backup for /home/user using tar and exclude hidden files?
[01:35] <Dr_Willis> hay all.
[01:35] <ghita> how can i remove a package without its dependencies?
[01:35] <Brunellus_> speedy2782:  but first, remove any drivers you put on nidswrapper using ndiswrapper -e DRIVER
[01:35] <Brunellus_> where DRIVER=driver name
[01:36] <heatxsink> can someone help me in here with mounting my NTFS drive I'm having a problem
[01:37] <heatxsink> i've looked at the FAQ's
[01:37] <heatxsink> I tried what the put in there, and still no dice
[01:37] <bamm> anyone using gdm-<IP_ADDRESS> and gnome-2.10.0? I don't have a power off optioon in gdm anymore. The reboot option is still there
[01:37] <membreya> hmmm eyequeue, doing a patch -p1 qc-usb-0.6.2-page_range.patch just left me with a blinking cursor :|
[01:38] <eyequeue> membreya:  one magic character missing :)
[01:38] <eyequeue> membreya:  patch -p1 < foo.patch
[01:38] <mseney> can't seem to write an iso to my CD-R and I'm sure it's blank?
[01:38] <membreya> < not > ?
[01:39] <eyequeue> membreya:  patch -p1 < foo.patch   means use foo.pathc as input, not output file
[01:39] <membreya> you're a champ eyequeue :)
[01:39] <eyequeue> heh
[01:39] <membreya> let's hope the module compiles :)
[01:39] <sophief> hi people of da free world
[01:39] <sophief> how about some help ?
[01:41] <alavista> May I ask only one question?
[01:41] <sophief> i'd like to watch dvd running hoary
[01:41] <sophief> alavista ask
[01:41] <eb0x> Can anyone help me with an alsaplayer error?
[01:41] <sophief> ebox ask
[01:41] <membreya> thankyou SO much eyequeue, that patch fixed the problem :)
[01:41] <eb0x> sophief: are you in #flood ?
[01:41] <chizh_> wau
[01:41] <Brunellus_> Ok.  one more time.  can anyone help me with my network printer?
[01:41] <chizh_> ok
[01:41] <eyequeue> membreya:  glad to hear it :)
[01:42] <eb0x> I need to paste a whole bunch of stuff I get when I try to run alsaplayer
[01:42] <chizh_> hi to all .. i have a little problem with my eth0 ... does anybody have realtek rtl8139d
[01:42] <membreya> I'm running 2.6.11, in the /lib/modules directory can I get rid of the 2.6.10 references?
[01:42] <Brunellus_> nobody out there?
[01:42] <bamm> Brunellus_: setup cups yet?
[01:42] <sophief> #flood
[01:43] <sophief> ebox ?
[01:43] <eb0x> ?
[01:43] <alavista> sophief: DVD support is discussed in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[01:43] <Brunellus_> bamm:  I'm trying to get this (ubuntu) box to talk to a printer on a little print server thingie
[01:43] <Brunellus_> (it attaches to the parallel port of the printer)
[01:43] <Brunellus_> my windows box can see & print from that fine
[01:43] <chizh_> so does anybody try to connect thru realtek lan car
[01:43] <Brunellus_> for the windows box, it's an SMB printer
[01:43] <sophief> alavista only for warty
[01:43] <Brunellus_> but I don't know how to make it run for this one
[01:43] <sophief> i'dlike with hoary
[01:44] <heatxsink> please?
[01:44] <bamm> Brunellus_: use samba to set it up on your local machine
[01:44] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/benjamin/bcmwl5a.inf
[01:44] <speedy2782> Installing bcmwl5a
[01:44] <speedy2782> Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1
[01:44] <speedy2782> Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1
[01:44] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:44] <speedy2782> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:44] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin #
[01:44] <alavista> sophief: the basic idea is he same. Ubuntu cannot come by default with DVD support due to some licensing issues. Thus, it's an issue of installing this extra package.
[01:45] <speedy2782> anyone have any clue as to how to kick this problem let me know please
[01:45] <alavista> speedy2782: "Operation not permitted" is the magic word. You should run this command as "root", with "sudo"...
[01:46] <eb0x> They were running it as root
 root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:46] <sophief> alavista i know about the licensing problems
[01:46] <farruinn> speedy2782: why are you using sudo as root?
[01:46] <Brunellus_> bamm:  I've been trying
[01:46] <sophief> alavista and the extrapackages
[01:46] <Brunellus_> I don't know what I"m doing wrong
[01:47] <chizh_> haj anybody have realtek lan card?
[01:47] <speedy2782> alavista
[01:47] <sophief> alavista but i didn't get one that works w/ hoary
[01:47] <speedy2782> does make a difference
[01:47] <bamm> Brunellus_: well what have you done so far
[01:47] <alavista> damn, a cat just caught a bird outside in the garden, and the poor bird is screaming...
[01:47] <Brunellus_> bamm:  tried to add it as a network printer...
[01:47] <speedy2782> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper is what I put in there to get the error
[01:47] <Brunellus_> I select "SMB"
[01:48] <Brunellus_> for host, I put whatever I see on the "network" tab in nautilus
[01:48] <Brunellus_> I set it to P1, since that's what worked on the other box
[01:48] <Brunellus_> and I set it to print a test page
[01:48] <jack|h> So with Ubuntu, it looks like it's loading esd, causing interference with alsa?
[01:48] <Brunellus_> the test page never comes out.  it's showing a timeout
[01:48] <jack|h> is there a way to make em... not interfere?
[01:50] <bamm> Brunellus_: use lpr from the command line to print directly to it
[01:51] <alavista> jack|h: what programs show interference? perhaps run "gstreamer-properties"?
[01:51] <speedy2782> every driver I enter regardless if it is a real file or not still says invalid driver using ndiswrapper
[01:51] <speedy2782> what other methods of getting a driver to work under linux, ubuntu hoary
[01:51] <speedy2782> is wifi just a lost cause on linux
[01:52] <neighborlee> hey all what is the other file utility app called that is similar to 'file roller' ..i'm finding file roller very buggy
[01:52] <jack|h> alavista: well anything that tries to output via alsa says that it's busy
[01:52] <speedy2782> I I find a linux driver for my wifi chipset how would I load it?
[01:52] <alavista> speedy2782: you have a broadcom chipset, a black sheep. you should have better got a madwifi one
[01:52] <speedy2782> I also am attempting to use a realtek
[01:53] <speedy2782> netgear ma521 or a motorola wn825g. neither of them are working
[01:53] <alavista> speedy2782: realter is almost similar (grey ship?). are these pcmcia?
[01:53] <speel> lol speedy your still having problems?
[01:53] <speedy2782> yes
[01:53] <SuperLag> speedy2782: if it's Broadcom, you've resigned yourself to having to ndiswrapper or driverloader
[01:53] <speedy2782> I have been working on this for three days
[01:53] <speedy2782> ndiswrapper can suck my balls
[01:53] <speel> have you ever posted on linuxquestions.org there usally better then this channel
[01:54] <speedy2782> I have been everywhere
[01:54] <speel> heh no offence to any one
[01:54] <alavista> speedy2782: if you get a madwifi based card (also knowed as Atheros), you will be very happy.
[01:54] <speel> the pople from linuxquestions.org dident help?
[01:54] <speel> people*
[01:55] <Brunellus_> speedy2782:  did you try removing *all* of ndiswrapper?
[01:55] <speedy2782> I will post there
[01:55] <speedy2782> yep
[01:55] <Brunellus_> nidswrapper -e DRIVERS
[01:55] <speel> okk
[01:55] <speedy2782> yep
[01:55] <Brunellus_> ok.  then did you go to the directory where you untarred ndiswrapper
[01:55] <speedy2782> I have actually reinstalled ubuntu once to try that
[01:55] <speedy2782> 3 days!!!! of this
[01:55] <quarupt> wtf is an ndiswrapper?
[01:55] <Brunellus_> speedy
[01:55] <speel> lol
[01:55] <speedy2782> i used synaptic
[01:55] <Brunellus_> I know, it happened to me.  let me tell you what's what.
[01:56] <speedy2782> sounds like a good plan pm
[01:56] <Brunellus_> you have to go to wherever ndiswrapper dumped its makefile
[01:56] <Brunellus_> then you go in and execute
[01:56] <speel> or if your tired of all these problems kill everything by sudo rm -rf / lol jk dont do it
[01:57] <bamm> anyone here using gnome 2.10?
[01:57] <alavista> ndiswrapper and that broadcom chipset appear to work. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-29659.html
[01:57] <speel> bamm, i was but not any more
[01:57] <bamm> speel: happen to be using gdm-<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[01:58] <speel> na
[01:58] <speel> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:58] <alavista> alsa problems: also at #fedora they discuss the same thing..
[02:00] <mikep> test
[02:00] <speel> any one tryed using the preview cd?
[02:01] <mikep> speel: i have.  could not connect to internet with it.
[02:01] <speel> did you have problems with nautilus also?
[02:01] <yadayada> speel: I have and it was quite nice. :)
[02:01] <farruinn> speel: I installed with it today
[02:01] <speel> like random windows closing
[02:01] <farruinn> oh, I don't use nautilus much
[02:02] <speel> ah
[02:02] <speel> with me when i tryed to view properties of certian things it would bug out i was like wtf
[02:02] <speedy2782> is using synaptic to complete uninstall ok, or do I have to use terminal?
[02:02] <kmanTFM_> ubuntu-desktop doesn't want to install because I have newer packages (from sid) installed on my computer and they conflict with the ones from ubuntu, how can I tell apt to froce a downgrade to install the needed packages ?
[02:03] <yadayada> speel: certain things as in local files?  or files on a network?
[02:03] <speel> ah the horrors of installing debian made packages =/
[02:03] <speel> local
[02:03] <yadayada> hmm,  I didn't have that problem myself then.
[02:03] <farruinn> kmanTFM_: pinning probably, you'd probably
[02:04] <farruinn> kmanTFM_: I think that might be possible through synaptic, but I've never tried it
[02:04] <speel> ah
[02:04] <speel> i hope they fix these oddball things tho
[02:05] <tuppa> hrm
[02:05] <tuppa> has the way to edit the Applications menu changed in hoary?
[02:05] <tuppa> I don't seem to be able to find the necessary menu options to edit the Applications menu in the Ubuntu wiki...
[02:05] <kmanTFM_> can I mix hoary and debian repos ?
[02:06] <speel> kmanTFM_, you can but its not recommended
[02:06] <speel> beacause the debain packages are diffrent then the ubuntu made ones
[02:06] <yadayada> speel: did you verify the md5 sum of the iso's before burning them?
[02:06] <speel> like what libs it uses and all
[02:06] <Blissex> kmanTFM_: sure, but use pinning, and you should know what you are doing :-)
[02:06] <speel> yadayada, nah
[02:06] <heatxsink> can anyone help me with my sound card ?
[02:07] <bamm> what's the issue?
[02:07] <heatxsink> well it seems to have the drivers and stuff working cause xmms is actually playing and not bombing
[02:07] <heatxsink> it seems like there's a mute
[02:07] <yadayada> speel: without checking that isn't it possible that a simple corrupted CD could be causing your crashing?
[02:07] <heatxsink> but I checked all of the mixer programs and the master nor the pcm channels are muted
[02:09] <speel> possibly :P
[02:09] <speel> how do you check the md5sum? i never had beacause every linux distro worked
[02:09] <inner_> Hello friends, I was asking for information about any hoary problem with sound quality, reported since last night's updates.
[02:09] <Jesterace> it possible to grab a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and compile it
[02:10] <inner_> I just want to say it was solved like magic after reconfiguring the following packages:
[02:11] <speel> inner_, are you a ubuntu developer?
[02:11] <yadayada> speel: what O/S are you in now?
[02:11] <speel> warty
[02:11] <crimsun> inner_: yes?
[02:13] <Markster> i'm really new with linux and am trying to install xmms but i'm getting an error message when trying to install it regarding no c compiler.. anyone??
[02:14] <noppe> Markster: just use synapsis to install the package..
[02:14] <Markster> what's synapsis?
[02:14] <noppe> err synaptic
[02:14] <eyequeue> synaptic (8)         - graphical management of software packages
[02:14] <Markster> wheres that?
[02:14] <noppe> go to system->administration
[02:14] <noppe> then click on synaptic..
[02:14] <Markster> ahh found it
[02:14] <Markster> thanks :)
[02:15] <noppe> beep-player is another type of xmms player but it is more modern so to speak..
[02:15] <sophief> noppe ?
[02:15] <speel> Markster, to install gcc and all that good stuff you do sudo apt-get install build-essential* .. i think you have to add the extra repos tho
[02:15] <noppe> beep-multimedia-player
[02:15] <noppe> blah
[02:15] <noppe> long ass names
[02:15] <occy> Do you need anything special to play midi files?
[02:15] <noppe> occy: timidity
[02:16] <crimsun> Markster: why are you attempting to compile XMMS? Just use Synaptic to install XMMS.
[02:16] <noppe> crimsun: uhh look up..
[02:17] <occy> noppe: okies
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: heyaz ;)
[02:17] <crimsun> occy: pong ;-)
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: I've been trying to lurk and help people from time to time.
[02:17] <eyequeue> Markster:  don't compile packages in ubuntu, install them with synaptic or apt-get, or similar
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: at least I'm lurking. ;)
[02:17] <crimsun> noppe: ...?
[02:17] <eyequeue> Markster:  that said, sudo apt-get install build-essential, if you like compiling things
[02:18] <inner_> speel, I am not a ubuntu developer
[02:18] <inner_> I just found out a sound quality problem
[02:18] <crimsun> inner_: you pinged me earlier/
[02:18] <inner_> I reconfigured my alsa, oss and gstreamer packages
[02:18] <speel> ah ok ;)
[02:18] <inner_> yes crimsun thx
[02:18] <inner_> I was about to ask you if there was any report on sound quality problems at hoary
[02:18] <inner_> not artifacts
[02:18] <inner_> but lack of bass frequencies
[02:18] <eyequeue> occy:  no need :)
[02:19] <occy> eyequeue: heh, I need stable. :P
[02:19] <crimsun> inner_: hmm, that wouldn't be directly related to alsa _except_ in the emu10k1 case, and even then it's a hit-and-miss race
[02:19] <eyequeue> occy:  i'm waiting too btw
[02:19] <speedy2781> I am back with a new quesion
[02:19] <occy> only have one machine and I need it for work.
[02:20] <crimsun> inner_: but to answer your question, no, I haven't seen any _quality_ bug reports
[02:20] <inner_> crimsun: thx crimsun, maybe it was a gstreamer configuration problem, i reconfigured gstreamer services and it seems theres no problem now
[02:20] <crimsun> occy: excellent! nice to see you back. :-)
[02:20] <Jesterace> crimsun,  you have any helpful information for a person wanting to download and compile alsa from cvs?
[02:20] <crimsun> inner_: ok.
[02:20] <inner_> unfortunately i didn't do a serious tracking
[02:20] <inner_> so I don't know what fixed the problem
[02:21] <crimsun> Jesterace: need cvs specifically or just a newer version than what alsa-source in hoary/universe provides?
[02:21] <inner_> crimsun: I use a usb pre amp M-Audio soundcard.
[02:21] <speedy2781> It is more than obvious that my newbility will not quite match up to the technical aspects of installing a wifi card on ubuntu. So. what card should I go out and spend money on that will play nicely with the hoary install, and 686, and whatever else. Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linuxto be exact
[02:21] <Jesterace> crimsun,  yep, the ca0106 driver isn't in the universe
[02:21] <occy> heh, Please check /etc/timidity.cfg
[02:21] <occy> crimsun: I've never left. :)
[02:21] <crimsun> inner_: great. I use an M-Audio Transit myself, and I have a Delta 1010LT that's awaiting a new motherboard.
[02:22] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  there was a page on the various wifi cards on the wiki, i thought
[02:22] <occy> noppe: timidity doesn't create one for you.
[02:22] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  though perhaps that was about laptops?
[02:22] <occy> noppe: don't see anything in the man page that's helpful.
[02:22] <speedy2781> newbility of speedy2781 doesn't allow him to know "wiki"
[02:22] <crimsun> Jesterace: actually it is if you're using hoary/universe.
[02:22] <crimsun> Jesterace: that is, of course, presuming that you're tracking hoary? :-)
[02:22] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  i was pleased to find the centrino chipset was supported out of the box
[02:22] <inner_> crimsun: wow! I am glad to meet an audio professional developing for ubuntu!
[02:22] <speedy2781> great, I need a pcmcia card that will work with hoary
[02:22] <speedy2781> any ideas
[02:22] <Se7h> whats the command line thing
[02:23] <Jesterace> crimsun, yeah, i'm running hoary
[02:23] <Se7h> to check a directory size?
[02:23] <crimsun> Jesterace: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package
[02:23] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[02:23] <speedy2781> what I am looking at there
[02:24] <navreet> <--filed atleast 5 bugs today, onto my 6th... woohoo!
[02:24] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  you asked where the wiki was, i thought
[02:24] <Jesterace> i must have a respository not enabled
[02:24] <squallbsr> is ubuntu hoary based on udev, hal, dmesg, etc??
[02:24] <Jesterace> it can't find alsa-source
[02:24] <zyv> hi everyone !!!
[02:24] <squallbsr> Jesterace, do you have universal?  it might be in there..
[02:24] <speel> hi
[02:24] <zyv> i've a problem: i use an old pc with no ps2, so i use an adapter ps2->serial to use my mouse. What i've to do in my XF86Config-4 to get it working ! ??
[02:24] <squallbsr> Jesterace: just check out the settings in synaptics
[02:24] <crimsun> Jesterace: yes, you do need to enable the 'universe' repository, then sudo apt-get update
[02:24] <Se7h> whats the command line thing to check a directory size? plz
[02:24] <crimsun> Se7h: du -
[02:24] <inner_> crimsun: I will backtrace my problem and try figuring out what went wrong.  I ll report to you guys If I find something worth to say.  Thank you so much. bye.
[02:25] <crimsun> Se7h: err, sorry: du -h <dir>
[02:25] <Jesterace> i feel embarassed
[02:25] <Se7h> oh
[02:25] <Se7h> du
[02:25] <Se7h> ok thank crimsun
[02:25] <crimsun> inner_: great, thanks.
[02:25] <Jesterace> when I dist-upgraded to hoary i forgot to uncomment universe
[02:25] <squallbsr> zyv you have to figure out the /dev device for your serial mouse and put that in your configuration, you might try "Auto" for the mouse protocol...
[02:26] <zyv> squallbsr i'm sure its /dev/ttyS1
[02:26] <mdblitz1> how do you check to see what services are running and how to turn them on or off?
[02:26] <crimsun> occy: oh, I know you didn't leave :-)
[02:26] <zyv> squallbst and i've tried with Auto PS/2 IMPS/2 Microsoft BusMouse protocol with no success
[02:26] <crimsun> occy: how's training going, btw?
[02:26] <Jesterace> crimsun,  there I have the sources installed now
[02:26] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  you could nmap localhost
[02:27] <zyv> squallbsr and i've tried with Auto PS/2 IMPS/2 Microsoft BusMouse protocol with no success
[02:27] <occy> crimsun: doing good... working on my 1/2 Ironman training now.
[02:27] <crimsun> occy: great
[02:27] <occy> crimsun: 12 weeks to go.
[02:27] <crimsun> Jesterace: cd /usr/src/ && sudo tar jfx alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[02:27] <occy> can't seem to get the damned thing to create a /etc/timidity.cfg file for me.
[02:27] <mdblitz1> nmap: command not found
[02:27] <spiderworm> hey all im pretty much arriving at the conclusion that fedora sucks ass.  im having all sorts of package upgrade problems and am looking for a easy to use desktop distro that has one centralized repo with every package known to man including mythtv packages and nearly perfectly stable bleeding edge packages... is this ubuntu?
[02:28] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  apt-get it
[02:28] <Jesterace> crimsun,  okay done
[02:28] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  but ubuntu doesn't open any ports by default
[02:28] <stuNNed> crimsun: is there alsa cvs available in ubuntu?
[02:28] <farruinn> spiderworm: I think ubuntu is as close as you're going to get
[02:28] <Jesterace> cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver ?
[02:28] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  unless you added something yourself, the answer should be "nothing"
[02:29] <mdblitz1> ok
[02:29] <squallbsr> zyv: if you cat /dev/ttyS1 and move your mouse, you'll see funky characters if its connected to the mouse (ctrl-c to exit)  thats a good check...
[02:29] <crimsun> stuNNed: cvs? no.
[02:29] <crimsun> stuNNed: 1.0.8 is available in hoary/universe via the 'alsa-source' package.
[02:29] <zyv> i've tried it squallbsr with no success too !
[02:29] <zyv> what's the matter !?!? the ps/2->serial adapter ???
[02:29] <stuNNed> crimsun: yes, my card just got 24-bit support but i have to patch against cvs to use it, i can wait i guess, would be nice though :)
[02:30] <membreya> gah, this webcam is driving me crazy >:(
[02:30] <crimsun> Jesterace: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, and say no to PnP, yes to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver
[02:30] <zyv> i've tried serial ports with modems and it works squallbsr
[02:30] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> sun distributes Java with an rpm, can ubuntu handle this ?
[02:30] <spiderworm> farruinn: i used to use debian and i know ubuntu is based on debian, had probs with debian because i was running stable core and everything i wanted was in the unstable branch, trying to run those caused all sorts of problems, does ubuntu also have stable, testing, and unstable?
[02:30] <squallbsr> zyv: http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/mouse4.html
[02:30] <zyv> ok thnx squallbsr
[02:30] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  no
[02:30] <Jesterace> crimsun, okay that's done
[02:31] <squallbsr> zyv: if you don't see the characters when moving the mouse, then you have the wrong /dev
[02:31] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> oh whoops, they do have a non rpm version.. nm
[02:31] <spiderworm> eyequeue: everything is considered stable?
[02:31] <zyv> lets try to type it right .. i can't copy/past, i've no mouse ;D squallbsr
[02:31] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  ubuntu's stable is much more recent than debian's, and there is also a development branch called hoary
[02:31] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  warty is stable btw
[02:31] <crimsun> spiderworm: Ubuntu has a stable branch like Debian's stable; its development branch is more akin to Sid but generally more stable because it's only snapshots of Sid.
[02:31] <spiderworm> where can i see the stable package list?
[02:32] <zyv> squallbsr i've plug modems in serial ports and the devices are /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1
[02:32] <farruinn> spiderworm: what eyequeue just described to you was was I moved from debian to ubuntu
[02:32] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  i'd recommend starting with warty/stable, since it may be new enough for your needs
[02:32] <hone> do you know when in april hoary is coming out?
[02:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[02:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: then browse Warty's package list
[02:32] <spiderworm> ok ty
[02:33] <Agrajag> hoary seems pretty stable already though
[02:33] <spiderworm> warty is stable, hoary is testing?
[02:33] <Agrajag> if yuo don't mind dealing with a few dozen megs of updates per day
[02:33] <Agrajag> yes
[02:33] <Agrajag> soon hoary will be stable, and grumpy will be testing
[02:34] <rattboi> when?
[02:34] <mdblitz1> I'm using hoary and it seems to be fine
[02:34] <rattboi> I'm using Hoary, and I think it's pretty great
[02:34] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  there is not direct correleation to debian's testing or unstable, but hoary is the development branch, to become stable next month
[02:34] <stuNNed> Hoary is at Release Candidate 1, right?
[02:34] <rattboi> preview
[02:34] <speedy2781> i found a linux driver my wifi card but it is for an older kernel
[02:34] <speedy2781> will it work?
[02:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hoary is more stable than a mandrake stable release
[02:35] <itamarst> so, I'm logging in to gnome session with gdm
[02:35] <mdblitz1> I used to use mandrake
[02:35] <itamarst> and no program start
[02:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> mandrakes days are numbered on my machine
[02:35] <spiderworm> damn.  looks like fedora's pretty installer and booting screen had me deceived
[02:35] <crimsun> Jesterace: now, cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[02:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> tired of bugs
[02:35] <itamarst> I rm -rfed all of .gnome, .gconf etc., same thing
[02:35] <mdblitz1> I installed ubuntu a couple of days ago and was amazed
[02:35] <itamarst> suggestions?
[02:35] <speedy2781> how do I load a wifi driver for linux?
[02:35] <itamarst> (running Hoary)
[02:35] <Jesterace> ok
[02:35] <Jesterace> it's compiling
[02:36] <johso> heya peeps :D
[02:36] <mdblitz1> speedy2781: you may have to compile it
[02:36] <stuNNed> rattboi: Preview Candidate 1?
[02:37] <thully> Hi - I was wondering what portable music player in the range of 1-5GB space is good for Ubuntu and is inexpensive? I was thinking iPod (yes, no ogg, but mp3 support is available on Linux and I haven't seen any OGG players in the same price range as the lower end iPods (mini and shuffle)
[02:37] <hone> thully: carbon?
[02:37] <stuNNed> thully: one sec
[02:37] <regeya> thully: well, I don't know how competitive the iRiver stuff is price-wise...eh
[02:38] <johso> having a little trouble with my mixer here - I've unmuted it once and now I can't mute it again?
[02:38] <thully> carbon=no Ogg, and rio has a 90-day warranty vs.Apple's 1 year
[02:38] <regeya> speaking of:  I saw low-end iRiver boxes at the local Best Buy.  Vorbis capability for $99.  sweet.
[02:38] <stuNNed> thully: http://www.jetaudio.com/products/ <-looking at these, supports flac and vorbis
[02:38] <thully> 256MB probably
[02:38] <speedy2781> how would I go about compiling it?
[02:38] <stuNNed> thully: but you probly want to do flac instead of ogg afaik
[02:39] <stuNNed> thully: or stick with mp3
[02:39] <johso> erhm, let me specify that. I have unmuted my mic and now I can't mute it again..
[02:39] <johso> what to do?
[02:39] <regeya> guh.  or don't stick with mp3.  ick.
[02:39] <stuNNed> cuz flac files are huge
[02:39] <speedy2781> how would I compile a wifi driver?
[02:39] <quarupt> anyone got GATOS woring with AMD64
[02:39] <stuNNed> regeya: so i've heard ogg isn't great on portable players for some reason unknown
[02:40] <chizh_> how about supporting realtek ethernet cards?
[02:40] <speel> ./configure make make install
[02:40] <regeya> mp3 == LCD (lowest common denominator)
[02:40] <chizh_> i mean rtl8139D
[02:40] <regeya> stuNNed: poorly supported, takes more processor power
[02:40] <jono> hey all
[02:40] <Jesterace> crimsun,  okay it's finished compiling
[02:40] <thully> FLAC= too huge for portable players 1-5GB
[02:40] <stuNNed> hi jono
[02:40] <jono> hi stuNNed
[02:40] <spiderworm> ok looks like i'll be switching to ubuntu.  the guys in #fedora that "help" others are even pricks.  pardon my french but fsck fedora and fsck them.
[02:40] <regeya> welln not poorly supported...there is the wuzzitcalled engine...uh...hm...nevermind.
[02:40] <speel> spiderworm, lolol
[02:41] <thully> well, #debian is worse, I think
[02:41] <crimsun> Jesterace: cd .. && ls *.deb
[02:41] <regeya> there's some pricks here too, spiderworm, but thankfully few and far between...so far ;-)
[02:41] <regeya> #freebsd!
[02:41] <Jesterace> alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-k7_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:41] <thully> Just mention a winmodem and they will virtually hang you for that
[02:41] <aethyr> is there an ubuntu equivalent of packages.gentoo.org?  (i.e. a place where you can watch for package updates)
[02:41] <stuNNed> regeya: so ogg is bad choice for all portable players that support it?
[02:41] <johso> anyone, please?
[02:41] <membreya_> quarupt: ati software?
[02:42] <thr1ce> ikaro!  i have a question
[02:42] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  two points
[02:42] <crimsun> Jesterace: excellent: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:42] <thully> Also, don't ever dare install Debian via a different method than their installer, or the #debian nuts won't want to help you
[02:42] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  i think ubuntu is a great distro
[02:42] <mdblitz1> aethyr: I believe they call it the "universe" here
[02:42] <spiderworm> eyequeue: yes?
[02:42] <quarupt> membreya, ya
[02:42] <thr1ce> ikaro, you around?
[02:42] <thully> which is why Ubuntu is so good
[02:42] <speedy2781> I have a folder of drivers for realtek to install for my wifi card...but I have no clue how
[02:42] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  i think #ubuntu also provides great support
[02:42] <crimsun> aethyr: the hoary-changes mailing list archive.
[02:42] <aethyr> crimsun: danka
[02:42] <spiderworm> there must be a but coming?
[02:43] <regeya> stuNNed:  not necessarily!  it's the common complaint I've heard about vorbis, though.  too much proc power, blah blah blah, I think most of it is an excuse to not support vorbis.  after all there are people who manage to use vbr mp3s without draining their batteries in a flash
[02:43] <aethyr> er, danke
[02:43] <crimsun> bitte
[02:43] <speedy2781> What are the steps I need to take to install the driver
[02:43] <stuNNed> crimsun: on my laptop with Hoary if i 'dmesg|grep -i dsdt' it says initrd doesn't have a dsdt patch when on bugzilla it says it does...
[02:43] <mdblitz1> speedy2781: are they linux drivers or windows drivers?
[02:43] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  it's nice that both happen together, but a distro can be technically competent without having great people running it, heh
[02:43] <Jesterace> uihoh
[02:43] <ikaro> thr1ce, yes ?
[02:43] <Jesterace> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-bt87x snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc (failed; not removed: snd-bt87x snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).
[02:43] <stuNNed> regeya: ok thanks
[02:43] <thr1ce> ikaro, what happend to your site?  :(
[02:43] <ikaro> dont have hosting.
[02:43] <regeya> heh...bailey's in my earl grey definitely wasn't the key to waking up :-}
[02:43] <thully> well, I don't think I want to get less than 1GB of space or pay 1.5x as much to get OGG support
[02:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ok, is there a way to add an application to the applications menu? :)
[02:43] <speedy2781> they are linux
[02:44] <crimsun> Jesterace: that's because they're in use
[02:44] <ikaro> thr1ce, hardisk failed in the server.
[02:44] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  yes i'm thinking of a non-linux *nix :)
[02:44] <speel> az[a] zel_ubuntu, right click the go to entire menu then add item
[02:44] <quarupt> membreya, can ya help me?
[02:44] <spiderworm> eyequeue: what do you mean?
[02:44] <Jesterace> crimsun,  it still wants to use my tv card instead of the ca0106 module
[02:44] <hone> thully: yeah I jsut use my pda
[02:44] <regeya> thully:  if you're stuck with mp3 then, I suggest reading the manpage for lame and read up on --preset
[02:44] <spiderworm> eyequeue: bsd?
[02:44] <crimsun> Jesterace: there are two approaches: (1) manually unload the ALSA modules and reload them, or (2) reboot
[02:45] <spiderworm> eyequeue: openbsd or freebsd?
[02:45] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  yes, one of the bsd's, but i don't want to publically badmouth any and start flame wars
[02:45] <spiderworm> oh ok
[02:45] <thully> I've already got a collection of mp3 files... so anything else would mean re-encoding
[02:45] <spiderworm> nm then
[02:45] <spiderworm> lol
[02:45] <neighborlee> anyone unable to load gftp.png as icon under launch properties for gftp app ??
[02:45] <thully> I looked into Rio Karma, but it looks like those all break after 6 months
[02:45] <spiderworm> so hows the ubuntu installer?  easy?
[02:46] <spiderworm> will it have any probs setting up dual boot winXP/ubuntu?
[02:46] <crimsun> curses-based, straight-forward.
[02:46] <thr1ce> ikaro, gone for good?
[02:46] <Jesterace> crimsun, well, it appears to work, I went to systems, preferences, multimedia selector and did a test of alsa and I got a sound tone :)
[02:46] <Jesterace> i ended up modprobe snd-ca0106
[02:46] <crimsun> Jesterace: great :-)
[02:47] <Jesterace> crimsun, thanks a million :)
[02:47] <crimsun> np
[02:47] <Jesterace> I wrote the steps in a notepad and I think I'll post them in the forum for others because I know i'm not the only one with that card :P
[02:47] <Jesterace> as annoying as it is
[02:47] <mseney> if anyone saw my very very far back post in here about my burning problem in nautilus. I solved it.
[02:47] <mseney> Start gconf-> apps->nautilus-cd-burner
[02:47] <mseney> turn burnproof, debug and overburn ON!
[02:48] <speel> any one knows how to get the md5sum of a cdrom?
[02:48] <Jesterace> i seen sblive! and was like whoah and bought it heh knew somethign was up for $30
[02:48] <Jesterace> reboot time
[02:48] <fas3r> hi all
[02:48] <fas3r> i have bought a dwl-g650 and i want to install a antenna, do you know if i unsolder the ULF conector or I make a pigtail's cable with connector type MC??
[02:48] <eyequeue> speel:  md5sum /dev/foo ?
[02:48] <speel> nope =/
[02:48] <stuNNed> crimsun: any ideas on the dsdt or just comment on the closed bug?
[02:48] <eyequeue> speel:  md5sum foo.iso, if it's a disk image
[02:48] <quarupt> membreya, ya there?
[02:48] <speel> well i burned the iso to a disk
[02:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: sorry, could you point me to the bug #?
[02:49] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm, I can create a launcher on the panel, but not in the applications folder.. weird
[02:49] <speel> az[a] zel_ubuntu,  same here lol
[02:49] <ikaro> thully, no. will be up again soon. however im not so sure about the content, as the admin is being a jerk and didnt sent me the database.
[02:50] <stuNNed> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379
[02:50] <ikaro> something will be up soon i hope, how it will look like or you'll find in it, its not so sure yet.
[02:50] <thully> ikaro - ?
[02:50] <ikaro> Oops .. that was for someone else.
[02:52] <quarupt> what package(s) do i need for dvd playback?
[02:52] <mike_douglas> anyone notice that if you enter "failsafe terminal", exit then try to reenter GNOME, you have to chown .ICEauthority to log in
[02:53] <membreya__> gah, my dmesg is suddenly full of FAT: Filesystem panic on my windows mount :|
[02:54] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> well I have azureus going, yay my life is complete
[02:54] <bamm> quarupt: you have to install it manually
[02:55] <crimsun> stuNNed: ok, will look in a bit, busy atm
[02:57] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok thanks
[02:57] <projectmayhem> hey everyone i just downloaded neroLinux debian file... how do i unpackage it?
[02:57] <membreya__> oh damnit, my squid won't start now!
[02:57] <JDahl> projectmayhem, if it's a Debian file, you can install it with dpkg -i xxx.deb
[02:58] <projectmayhem> thx
[02:59] <projectmayhem> it "encountered" some errors but its built for debian not ubuntu so that's expected... hopefully it'll still work, thanks guys!
[02:59] <Amaranth> projectmayhem: What error?
[03:00] <membreya__> my windows mount is listed as a read only drive now :|
[03:00] <Amaranth> membreya__: Drive failure.
[03:00] <projectmayhem> dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
[03:00] <projectmayhem> membreya chmod?
[03:00] <projectmayhem> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
[03:00] <membreya__> projectmayhem: even as sudo I can't write anything to it
[03:00] <Amaranth> projectmayhem: ouch
[03:00] <crimsun> projectmayhem: make sure you have plenty of free space in /var/
[03:00] <Amaranth> membreya__: you need to remount it
[03:00] <projectmayhem> haha really? what'd i do...
[03:01] <Amaranth> membreya__: But if it remounted as ro then the drive is more then likely failing
[03:01] <projectmayhem> membreya go to... http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ it tells you how to automount windows drive...
[03:01] <membreya__> projectmayhem: I have it in my fstab
[03:01] <membreya__> it's worked all along
[03:01] <membreya__> gah
[03:01] <membreya__> is there anything to check a fat fs in linux?
[03:02] <membreya__> or do i need to go to windows?
[03:02] <projectmayhem> membreya sounds like you know more than i do then, i'm still relatively new to ubuntu and linux in general...
[03:02] <Amaranth> whatever you do don't mount that drive again until you've scanned it
[03:02] <Amaranth> so you'll have to do it from linux somehow
[03:02] <Amaranth> google is your friend :)
[03:03] <speel> i hate that damn saying
[03:03] <projectmayhem> crimsun what'd you mean by "make sure you have plenty of space in /var/"?
[03:03] <eb0x> Does anyone know how to setup an IDENTD server for IRC?
[03:03] <membreya__> i only have one drive amaranth
[03:03] <projectmayhem> more correctly, google.com/linux is your friend
[03:03] <crimsun> projectmayhem: that means make sure you have free space in /var, i.e. /var is not full
[03:03] <Amaranth> membreya__: Ouchie, better look for a new one. :p
[03:03] <eb0x> I want XChat to be able to connect using identd
[03:03] <crimsun> eb0x: sudo apt-get install oidentd
[03:03] <Amaranth> membreya__: Unless the FAT fs is just fucked up.
[03:03] <projectmayhem> crimsun its not... but why woudl you say i need space in /var?
[03:03] <eb0x> ty crimsun
[03:04] <crimsun> projectmayhem: because the package needs to be unpacked.
[03:04] <projectmayhem> crimsun oh ok, it installed fine it seems to be working...
[03:04] <speel> eb0x, are you using xchat now?
[03:04] <crimsun> projectmayhem: ok.
[03:05] <projectmayhem> crimsun thx though
[03:05] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#applicationsmenu -- this doesn't seem to work with gnome 2.10
[03:06] <crimsun> az[a] zel_ubuntu: it doesn't, the editing logic was ripped out quite a few months ago.
[03:07] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> great...
[03:07] <eyequeue> eb0x:  are you behind any kind of external firewall machine?
[03:07] <membreya__> doing an fsck to check it now
[03:08] <membreya__> well it's a good excuse to go from a 120gb sata to a 200gb :)
[03:08] <projectmayhem> anyone have trouble w/ LimeWire only working in root? i've changed access privaleges to the folder and everything... can't get it to work
[03:08] <speel> wouldent running it as root be a security risk lol
[03:08] <niterider> hello
[03:08] <FAST> are the gnomebaker packages available thru apt-get ?
[03:08] <projectmayhem> speel only a little ;)
[03:08] <speel> lol
[03:09] <niterider> how do i set the windowing to stop opening new ones each time, i'd prefer it more like kde
[03:09] <projectmayhem> speel its just a little scary that people could be cracking into my system every time i want to download a file... definitely not illegal, copyrighted music files ;)
[03:10] <farruinn> niterider: each time what?
[03:10] <ells> how many people in here are running hoary
[03:10] <speel> im sure itsnot illegal :P
[03:10] <projectmayhem> ells not i
[03:10] <projectmayhem> speel yeah... DEFINITELY not
[03:10] <ells> projectmayhem: I was until recently
[03:10] <farruinn> ells: I installed the preview release to see if an install bug had been fixed
[03:10] <speel> lol
[03:10] <niterider> sorry bad way of asking...the old way that nautilus worked
[03:10] <projectmayhem> ells i have the liveCD though
[03:10] <farruinn> niterider: oh! =)
[03:10] <ells> it jacked up my computer
[03:11] <projectmayhem> ells that's why you gotta stick with the stable version ;)
[03:11] <ells> the new updates would not let me use the gui
[03:11] <farruinn> niterider: Computer>preferences>file manager
[03:11] <projectmayhem> ells ouch
[03:11] <ells> understand, but netapplet will only work in hoary
[03:11] <FAST> if i download a .deb package, how do i install it?
[03:11] <farruinn> niterider: go to the behaviour tab and select "always open in browser mode"
[03:11] <projectmayhem> ells reinstall?
[03:11] <ells> I cannot get it in warty
[03:11] <ells> had to
[03:12] <johso> can I somehovv get verbose output of the volume-controller?
[03:12] <niterider> cool....ty ty
[03:12] <ells> projectmayhem, are you using laptop
[03:12] <farruinn> FAST: if you really must, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[03:12] <ells> or desktop
[03:12] <projectmayhem> ells nope regular desktop
[03:12] <ells> okay
[03:12] <ells> I am on a toshiba laptop
[03:12] <FAST> thankls
[03:12] <ells> I cannot get netapplet in warty
[03:13] <gilles> The refresh on hoarty has some problems
[03:13] <membreya__> going back into windows people :P
[03:13] <johso> nooo :P
[03:13] <gilles> when I put a file into the trash it doesn't disappear from the screen until i do a refresh
[03:14] <projectmayhem> poor membreya... i pity you
[03:14] <speel> lol
[03:14] <mechamecha> hi
[03:14] <johso> FAST: dpkg -i <pakackage>
[03:14] <ells> does anyone know of a warty source that has netapplet in it
[03:14] <johso> duh
[03:14] <mechamecha> has anyone installed ubuntu w/virtual pc 2004?
[03:14] <projectmayhem> windows serves one purpose for me... half life 2/counterstrike source!
[03:15] <johso> I as a bit longer up in this vvindovv I see..
[03:15] <projectmayhem> ells you have all the apt-get repos enabled? it might be on there maybe?
[03:15] <ells> projectmayhem, mostly, what all do you have
[03:15] <crimsun> does anyone use vlc, specifically wxvlc?
[03:15] <projectmayhem> dunno i followed ubuntuguide.org... lemme see if it'll come up when i apt-get it...
[03:16] <projectmayhem> ells i get "couldn't find package netapplet" so unless it has a diff name you can't get it through apt-get
[03:17] <speel> hmm im tempted to upgrade to hoary ... hmm hard decision
[03:17] <ells> projectmayhem, in hoary you can
[03:17] <projectmayhem> ells did you get hoary fixed? or are you stuck having to use warty?
[03:17] <ells> projectmayhem, I am using warty again
[03:17] <geneo93> speel:  go for it
[03:18] <ells> projectmayhem, it works intiially until the updates start coming in
[03:18] <speel> well last time i install using the cd nautilus would crap out on me
[03:18] <projectmayhem> ells hm... google it? i can't imagine there isn't netapplet for warty out there somewhere...
[03:18] <ells> projectmayhem, I think it has somthing to do with x11
[03:18] <ells> will do
[03:19] <ells> projectmayhem, I have debian on my desktop
[03:19] <ells> it runs differently than ubuntu
[03:19] <projectmayhem> ells i have no experience with debian... only fedora 3 and warty
[03:19] <thully> BTW - speaking of netapplet,is this working well on Hoary currently - last i tried it it crashed a lot
[03:19] <ells> thully: works good in hoary
[03:19] <ells> cant find it for warty though
[03:20] <geneo93> cant u use the src and compile it for warty
[03:20] <speedy2781> I GOT MY WLAN WORKING!!!
[03:20] <speedy2781> DID I MENTION THAT IT TOOK SOMEONE BABYSITTING ME THROUGH IT!!!
[03:21] <ells> geneo93, alot of deps
[03:21] <speel> wooot speedy
[03:23] <geneo93> well i'm converting from mandrake this is much better than lame excuses
[03:23] <projectmayhem> haha ells that could be just a SLIGHT pain in the butt to putt together...
[03:23] <ells> projectmayhem, I agree
[03:25] <xp> hi everyone :)
[03:25] <xp> I am new to ubuntu, I use knoppix, can someone tell me why I should change?
[03:25] <TQuid> Hi folks.
[03:25] <projectmayhem> ells.... here
[03:25] <projectmayhem> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/netapplet
[03:25] <squallbsr> I have no idea what the root password on this newly install hoary machine - HELP!
[03:26] <projectmayhem> ells that help?
[03:26] <TQuid> Just installed ubuntu, nice system.  Unfortunately it seems to think my slash character is this:
[03:26] <JDahl> xp, that's an odd question.. if you're happy with Knoppix, then noone is forcing you to change
[03:26] <ells> projectmayhem, am chekcing it now
[03:26] <TQuid> Any clues on fixing that  (Oh, and theres my question mark.  :))
[03:26] <ells> thanks
[03:26] <patl411> im lookin into alternative oses
[03:26] <projectmayhem> ells anytime, glad i could help the community... usually i'm on the opposite end of these conversations...
[03:26] <TQuid> This is a Toshiba Portg 7200, fwiw.
[03:26] <membreya> hooray
[03:26] <membreya> my filesystem LIVES!
[03:27] <projectmayhem> membreya but was it worth having to go into WINDOWS just to fix it? :-p
[03:27] <squallbsr> membreya: congratz
[03:27] <TQuid> Its as if I have a French kbd or something.
[03:27] <ells> I know the deal
[03:27] <membreya> it was because my pc had crashed about 4 times in a row (trying to get the friggin webcam working) so the files for squid became corrupt
[03:27] <squallbsr> is there a default root password on ubuntu hoary installs??  cause it didn't ask me to set it on install
[03:27] <patl411> would u say that ubuntu is better that linspire?
[03:27] <TQuid> squall, ubuntu is rootless
[03:28] <TQuid> It uses sudo for everything.
[03:28] <daniels> TQuid: try running setxkbmap -layout us
[03:28] <TQuid> So Im told, and when I did a rooty thing earlier, my own password worked.
[03:28] <squallbsr> TQuid - you are probably not using the correct keyboard map, is the characters only a problem in X?
[03:29] <TQuid> Hm.
[03:29] <TQuid> That did it.
[03:29] <projectmayhem> squall sudo isn't so bad once you get used to it... its really quite nice and no different from su -root on other distros
[03:29] <ells> projectmayhem, when I open it, is it dpkg -l file
[03:29] <projectmayhem> its dpkg -i file i believe...
[03:29] <projectmayhem> lemme look
[03:29] <ells> thanks
[03:29] <squallbsr> projectmayhem: its useful to know it wanted MY password...
[03:29] <TQuid> squalls, haven't tried non-X.  Maybe it's 'cause I selected Canadian?  Does ubuntu assume I mean Quebecois or something?
[03:29] <projectmayhem> squall haha
[03:29] <squallbsr> projectmayhem: thats 2x today I have misread stuff...
[03:29] <TQuid> sudo roxx0rs.
[03:30] <TQuid> It is the true sysadmin's friend; much improves how root privs are handled, as they're trackable.
[03:30] <TQuid> How do I make that kbd layout change stick over a reboot?
[03:30] <xp> well can anyone tell me if ubuntu is better than knoppix?
[03:30] <geneo93> TQuid:  i have a root pswd
[03:30] <TQuid> I've only ever seen knoppix as a live CD.  I went to ubuntu because someone described it as "Debian without the bullshit."
[03:30] <squallbsr> geneo93 - did you do something like sudo passwd root??
[03:30] <crimsun> xp: as a desktop? absolutely - but why take my opinion? try it yourself.
[03:30] <daniels> TQuid: the default for canadian locales is a french-based keyboard, yeah
[03:30] <daniels> TQuid: this will be fixed
[03:31] <fr500> hello
[03:31] <xp> crimsun why do you think it is better?
[03:31] <squallbsr> TQuid: ubuntu is exactly that, with out the BS
[03:31] <TQuid> daniels:  Aaah.  This Canuck thanks you.
[03:31] <xp> crimsun knoppix won't detect my laptops modem, do you think ubuntu would?
[03:31] <membreya> ok, this is just annoying me now, everytime I reboot I have to uninstall and reinstall barrage
[03:31] <daniels> TQuid: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and change Option "XkbLayout" "fr" (or maybe it's us_intl instead of fr) to Option "XkbLayout" "us"
[03:31] <geneo93> xp you have to judge for yourself
[03:31] <daniels> TQuid: along with many others, it seems -- it's a popular bug
[03:31] <membreya> it complains about no sound device available
[03:31] <membreya> oh well :)
[03:31] <TQuid> Danke daniels, that's what I need.
[03:31] <xp> geneo93 come on man, give me some background
[03:32] <daniels> TQuid: enjoy
[03:32] <crimsun> xp: why do I think it's better? because it's clearly desktop-oriented. The packages fit cohesively, unlike Knoppix's mash of apt-get.org. There's a dedicated community around it, from forums to mailing lists to irc channels. The opportunity to get involved is wide open.
[03:32] <geneo93> i've been using linux for many years and i like ubuntu
[03:33] <fr500> is there a way to make services load in background so i get to boot faster?
[03:33] <DarthFrog> geneo93: I'm with you on that.
[03:33] <fr500> i am makieng some sort of media pc, and a faster boot up would be really good for me
[03:34] <JDahl> fr500, I beleive time will work in your favor for that... it's being worked on
[03:34] <fr500> JDahl, hoary?
[03:34] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  hoary here
[03:34] <DarthFrog> geneo93: I'm running Hoary/KDE.
[03:35] <TQuid> Faster?  Dang, it already boots impressively fast, I thought.  Well, compared to FC3.  And hey, fitting all that on one CD--that rocks.
[03:35] <xp> is anyone aware of any good point of sale programs for linux?
[03:35] <geneo93> well i'm using kde atm also
[03:35] <TQuid> xp:  dang, there's one they use at the grocer's just down the street--squirrel, I think it's called?  Not to be confused with squirrelmail.
[03:35] <squallbsr> anybody know if the bugzilla site is supposed to be using a home-grown SSL cert?  or is somebody doing a man in the middle?
[03:35] <JDahl> fr500, I remember seeing boot charts for Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu around half a year ago... they reduced boottime by a factor of 3, I think
[03:35] <fr500> TQuid, for a "media center" pc always more speed is better
[03:36] <fr500> bootup is my only concern
[03:36] <fr500> JDahl, i have seen that, it's quicker now
[03:36] <TQuid> I can respect you'd like it to be still better, fr500.  I just got ubuntu going yesterday so I'm still in the honeymoon stage.
[03:36] <fr500> JDahl, i hope software suspend is working nicely in hoary that would fix things for me
[03:37] <sanmarcos>  Is there a way to see what messages are in the queue of my MTA?
[03:37] <fr500> i'm downloading as we talk
[03:37] <mdblitz1> TQuid: I've had it running for 2 days since switching from mandrake andn I'm still in the honeymoon stage
[03:37] <squallbsr> TQuid: sometimes with anything that honeymoon stage doesn't exist.  I was using gentoo 20 min ago...  was giving me nothing but headaches...
[03:37] <squallbsr> TQuid: now rhythmbox doesn't want to play streams...
[03:37] <eyequeue> sanmarcos:  sure, the man page of your mta should explain how
[03:37] <fr500> i have fc3 suse and ubuntu, ubuntu is the best from noob user standpoint
[03:37] <sanmarcos> eyequeue: thats very helpful
[03:38] <jeff_> if, if i was to run a secure, high performance server should i choose ubuntu or debian
[03:38] <pantz> can anyone tell me what this error means ...
[03:38] <pantz> root@faramir:/home/pantz # modprobe sg
[03:38] <pantz> FATAL: Error inserting sg (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/sg.ko): Invalid module format
[03:38] <TQuid> All my friends tried to push gentoo on me.  I'm really not interested in compiling all my crap, thank you.  Especially when my main home machine is a PIII-350 or something like that.
[03:38] <crimsun> pantz: please update && upgrade. ABI problem introduced by an inotify update that has been reverted in -27
[03:38] <pantz> is the module not built for my running kernel?
[03:38] <TQuid> sanmarcos, mailq.
[03:38] <visor> is it possible to upgrade warthy to hoary from the iso (you know, mounting it and then doing it from synaptic or something alike)?
[03:38] <projectmayhem> thx for the help guys
[03:38] <jeff_> hey guys
[03:39] <Blissex> TQuid: are you sure they are your ''friends''? Friends tell friends to say NO to Gentoo and other ''slow deaths''.
[03:39] <TQuid> *snrk*
[03:39] <mdblitz1> heh
[03:39] <jeff_> what should i run for a secure high performance server, ubuntu or debian?
[03:39] <JDahl> crimsum, you mentioned yesterday that matplotlib still needs some work for python2.4... I installed it for my new Hoary box, and it seems to work flawlessly
[03:39] <crimsun> jeff_: either.
[03:39] <Blissex> jeff_: a powered off PC is very secure...
[03:39] <TQuid> jeff_, depends.
[03:39] <crimsun> JDahl: I'm referring to python-matplotlib
[03:39] <TQuid> How severely are your nuts on the line for it?
[03:39] <mdblitz1> Blissex: I don't think it would serve much though
[03:39] <jeff_> i mean, people are telling me to use debian instead of ubuntu
[03:39] <jeff_> very severely
[03:40] <TQuid> Which has a better support plan?
[03:40] <crimsun> JDahl: hence my reference then to the python transition
[03:40] <geneo93> visor:  just change to repositories to hoary
[03:40] <JDahl> crimsun, oh - ok
[03:40] <jeff_> but i dont really see the main differnece
[03:40] <mdblitz1> ubuntu is easier to use
[03:40] <visor> geneo93: yeah, but i already downloaded the CD so i was wondering... (and i save the bandwith/time) :)
[03:40] <mdblitz1> debian not so much
[03:40] <TQuid> I've been sysadminning a few years now, by myself, and frankly my ability to get help when there's a problem is sometimes a lot more important than the stability as such--nothing is 100% stable & secure.
[03:40] <crimsun> jeff_: in the end, it's the admin that makes the server, not so much the distro.
[03:41] <jeff_> im not concered about ease of use
[03:41] <jeff_> right
[03:41] <TQuid> And if you don't have a backup plan, it's pointless even to quibble about that; if it dies, it kills your business.
[03:41] <visor> TQuid: thats one of the most clever thing i have read in some time the "my ability to get help when there's a problem is sometimes a lot more important than the stability..."
[03:41] <visor> xD
[03:41] <geneo93> visor:  well i'm on 28800 here so i go through same thing
[03:41] <pantz> crimsun, I get the same error after update && upgrade
[03:41] <TQuid> visor:  voice of bitter experience, man.  :)
[03:42] <jeff_> i just want to know, why one would choose debian over ubuntu for serious server use
[03:42] <crimsun> pantz: you have to reboot into the new kernel.
[03:42] <pantz> it didn't update my kernel i don't think
[03:42] <visor> and i have seen that this community around ubuntu is very kind :) feels warm, and its free
[03:42] <fr500> jeff_, i'd use ubuntu and find myself a nice hw firewall
[03:42] <TQuid> jeff_, well, some years ago I had this impression of debian as a "solid" distro; that's kind of marketing though.  Of course, at the time, apt was like a revelation from God compared to the other package maintenance tools.
[03:43] <pantz> crimsun, root@faramir:/home/pantz # uname -a
[03:43] <pantz> Linux faramir 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Fri Mar 11 12:12:36 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:43] <fr500> i have been on for 2 weeks, no probs for me
[03:43] <crimsun> pantz: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:43] <geneo93> jeff_:  i would use bsd for that
[03:43] <Hytak> Hi, I heard comments, and is Ubuntu suited for my pentium2, 233mhz with 128mb of ram?
[03:43] <fr500> jeff_, with on i mean no reboots or anything
[03:43] <pantz> root@faramir:/home/pantz # dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:43] <pantz> 2.6.10-27
[03:44] <crimsun> pantz: you need to reboot.
[03:44] <fr500> Hytak, it'll work, works on my PII laptop, slowly for syre
[03:44] <fr500> sure
[03:44] <visor> geneo93: so upgrading from warthy to hoary didnt mess up something? (you know, gnome session or something)
[03:44] <pantz> crimsun, ok hang on
[03:44] <Hytak> Well wich wm you use fr500?
[03:44] <fr500> wm?
[03:44] <Hytak> gui
[03:44] <Hytak> Window manager
[03:44] <fr500> oh
[03:44] <jeff_> yea, well my dsl modem has a firewall built in
[03:44] <fr500> lol
[03:44] <fr500> gnome
[03:44] <jeff_> geneo93, i am thinking bsd as well.
[03:45] <Hytak> HUmm ok... how many ram ou have on your laptop?
[03:45] <geneo93> visor:  didn't for me but that was some time back
[03:45] <fr500> 128
[03:45] <Hytak> And it run.. almost fine?
[03:45] <fr500> well it freezes, because on chip is broke
[03:45] <fr500> windows, fc2, everythig freezes eventually
[03:45] <fr500> but works
[03:46] <Hytak> And what about the system itself?
[03:46] <Hytak> Like, if I use a lighter WM
[03:46] <fr500> it's stable, takes a bit to draw windows but that is to be expected
[03:46] <fr500> i work on an isp so it's a warrior pc, so i use command line mostly
[03:47] <Hytak> Ok
[03:47] <jimarko> hi all!
[03:47] <Hytak> SO, thanks
[03:47] <Hytak> But, is it true that the kernel 2.6 is faster than the 2.4?
[03:47] <makyo> hello! anyone could help me... I'm installing Ubuntu and I can continue with the installation because I get grub frozen at stage 1.5
[03:47] <crimsun> faster? in most cases, yes.
[03:47] <crimsun> but "faster" needs qualification.
[03:48] <makyo> I mean, I can't continue
[03:48] <Hytak> Could you elaborate?
[03:48] <geneo93> i do have hoary with working nvidia also
[03:48] <crimsun> Hytak: many of the subsystems have been overhauled
[03:48] <crimsun> Hytak: scheduler, memory management, block laye
[03:48] <crimsun> r
[03:48] <Hytak> crimsun> I do not understand the word overhauled, not enlgish-native
[03:49] <fr500> crimsun, you mean, it's a bit heavier now? more resource hungry
[03:49] <crimsun> Hytak: changed, updated, improved
[03:49] <fr500> overhauled means remade
[03:49] <fr500> retooled
[03:49] <Hytak> ok
[03:49] <blizah> how do i go about closing ports?
[03:49] <Hytak> So is it better to use the 2.6x or 2.4x?
[03:49] <geneo93> rebuilt
[03:49] <crimsun> fr500: no, I mean they were made more efficient
[03:49] <fr500> ok
[03:49] <crimsun> Hytak: generally speaking, 2.6
[03:49] <blizah> and how do i tell if they are allowing outbound but not inbound, or both etc...
[03:50] <Hytak> I suppose there is something wrong about the 2.6, although...?
[03:50] <gilles> hi
[03:50] <crimsun> Hytak: wrong? no. Sure, like any software, it can be improved...
[03:50] <skreet> Any word on the "corrupt fglrx" issue?
[03:50] <skreet> No new kernel modules etc etc.
[03:51] <Hytak> Ok, thanks. A last question. If I downlaod it tomorrow, wich version of Ubuntu am I better to download?
[03:51] <fr500> is hoary preview considered stable?
[03:51] <skreet> fr500, Works well here.
[03:51] <gilles> Is it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ?
[03:51] <skreet> fr500, no major issues.
[03:51] <fr500> lol
[03:51] <makyo> anyone could help me wih grub hanging at stage 1.5 in a new install?
[03:51] <Hytak> 4.10 or 5.04 or...?
[03:51] <fr500> betas worked for me, skreet i mean is it considered a stable release or testin release
[03:52] <skreet> fr500, Oh, it's a preview, I think thats in the middle somewhere?
[03:52] <fr500> ok
[03:52] <crimsun> makyo: see Hytak's question.
[03:52] <fr500> well i'll wait for stable as my wary is working wonders
[03:52] <Hytak> Hu?
[03:52] <makyo> aaah...sorry...didn't know he was asking that to me
[03:52] <skreet> Anyone here running an ATI card with 2.6.10-4 kernels?
[03:52] <dash> skreet: i am
[03:53] <skreet> dash, Did you have any issues getting the fglrx driver working/
[03:53] <dash> skreet: not really
[03:53] <dash> skreet: it doesn't play nice with swsusp, but that's all
[03:53] <skreet> swsusb?
[03:53] <crimsun> skreet: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:53] <dash> suspend-to-disk
[03:53] <skreet> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format
[03:53] <skreet> Ah.
[03:53] <makyo> I have 4.10
[03:53] <crimsun> skreet: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, then reboot.
[03:54] <skreet> crimsun, Will try.
[03:54] <Hytak> Thans to answer my questoin, gtg
 4.10
[03:54] <Hytak> I wasn't sayin that for that, sry makyo
[03:54] <makyo> oooh
[03:54] <makyo> ok
[03:54] <Hytak> It was relaying to my previous question
[03:54] <crimsun> makyo: have you tried with the Hoary preview?
[03:54] <makyo> no
[03:55] <crimsun> Hytak: I used your statement. :-)
[03:55] <makyo> I would like to go stable
[03:55] <crimsun> makyo: ok. Hoary goes stable in ~3 weeks, so it could certainly use the testing.
[03:55] <dash> anybody here using eclipse on hoary? :)
[03:55] <makyo> I've found other people having the same issue but no real answer...
[03:56] <crimsun> makyo: regarding GRUB problems, though, try searching the wiki (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/) or the mailing lists.
[03:56] <fr500> crimsun, are the nice gui installer and such included in preview?
[03:56] <crimsun> fr500: curses-based installer.
[03:56] <makyo> I did... but can't find an answer
[03:56] <fr500> crimsun, i havent seen it
[03:56] <crimsun> makyo: and a web search?
[03:56] <fr500> crimsun, what does that mean?
[03:56] <makyo> the same...
[03:56] <crimsun> fr500: similar to the Debian Sarge installer.
[03:57] <fr500> hmmm, lol same thing no idea, let me google for a bit
[03:57] <dash> fr500: it has pretty colors
[03:57] <fr500> ok
[03:57] <dash> fr500: but you can't use the mouse
[03:57] <fr500> lol
[03:57] <makyo> anyone here has had any problem with grub hanging at stage 1.5 during install?
[03:57] <fr500> dash, fc3 best feature is that, the installer
[03:57] <enntee> what's broken about nvidia?
[03:57] <enntee> it seems to be working for me.
[03:58] <dash> fr500: if i installed linux more than i used it, i might be interested!
[03:58] <crimsun> enntee: it's not broken in -27
[03:58] <fr500> fc3 installer is fool proof and noobs dont fear it
[03:58] <geneo93> makyo:  i did so i used lilo
[03:58] <spiderworm> fr500: can i just tell you that from very personal and painful experience of mine and a friend of mine, FC3 sux
[03:58] <enntee> crimsun: ah, nice.
[03:58] <fr500> spiderworm, how?
 how can I uninstall grub and switch to lilo?
[03:59] <fr500> spiderworm, besides it's a bit slow i havent had troubles with it
[03:59] <enntee> I have a question. update-grub is installs five duplicate entries in menu.lst, even though I have "howmany=1" in the config. Any way to fix it?
[03:59] <spiderworm> fr500: well if their tiny collection of fully supported packages is all you need, great.  but as soon as you step outside the box, start to mix repos, all hell will eventually break loose
[04:00] <geneo93> makyo:  i did a reinstall from that point
[04:00] <fr500> spiderworm, happens on every distro, but i agree
[04:00] <dash> fr500: it doesn't happen on every distro
[04:00] <crimsun> enntee: what is the exact syntax of the line?
[04:00] <spiderworm> fr500: sure it does, but from what i can see, the box you cant step out of is much much bigger with ubuntu
[04:00] <fr500> dash, i have manadaged to break all of them :p
[04:00] <dash> fr500: some people are gifted, i suppose
[04:00] <enntee> crimsun: of which line?
[04:01] <fr500> hehe
[04:01] <crimsun> enntee: howmany=
[04:01] <enntee> crimsun: ah, i'll check.
[04:01] <factotum> i suppose that goes with any sort of package management system
[04:02] <fr500> anyone with laptops and hoary?
[04:02] <dash> me!
[04:02] <enntee> crimson: howmany=1
[04:02] <fr500> dash, is "hibernation" working?
[04:02] <dash> yes
[04:02] <fr500> cool
[04:02] <fr500> and Fn keys?
[04:02] <fr500> what brand of laptop?
[04:02] <crimsun> enntee: is that the entire line?
[04:02] <enntee> crimsun: yep!
[04:02] <dash> fr500: ibm thinkpad T42
[04:02] <dash> and yes
[04:02] <mikep> fr500: i tried but internet would not work. went back to warty.
[04:03] <crimsun> enntee: it needs to be in the parsed section, and it needs to be commented out.
[04:03] <enntee> crimsun: ohhh
[04:03] <fr500> mikep, what do you mean? hoary?
[04:03] <crimsun> enntee: e.g.: # howmany=5
[04:03] <enntee> i assumed it needed to be uncommented. i'm lame.
[04:03] <enntee> crimsun: thank you
[04:03] <membreya> anyone here recommend reiserfs as a fs for storage?
[04:03] <fr500> dash, if you use software suspend, on "reboot" you get grub menu or ubuntu at once
[04:03] <fr500> dash, i hope grub menu
[04:03] <mikep> fr500: yes, could not get wireless to work with hoary preview
[04:03] <crimsun> membreya: it works fine as a general-purpose fs
[04:04] <dash> fr500: grub, of course
[04:04] <enntee> membreya: i use it on my file server, no complaints.
[04:04] <membreya> would you recommend it above vfat? :P
[04:04] <fr500> dash, nice, i'll be on hoary in a couple of hours then
[04:04] <dash> fr500: it's _software_ suspend, it doesn't kick in until the kernel boots :)
[04:05] <fr500> dash, lol, still dont understand, but if it works its nice for me
[04:05] <crimsun> membreya: is that a trick question?
[04:05] <fr500> dash, it's for my media center / router /internet pc project, my laptop is my test rig now, and soft suspend will get a faster boot than turning off i guess
[04:06] <membreya> nope, serious question crimsun :P
[04:06] <membreya> it's my windows data drive
[04:06] <dash> fr500: slightly faster
[04:06] <did> did
[04:06] <fr500> hmmm define slightly
[04:06] <membreya> fr500: why not suspend to disk?
[04:06] <dash> fr500: it saves having to login and start things
[04:06] <fr500> membreya, isnt it the same thing?
[04:06] <dash> membreya: that is what he is talking about
[04:06] <drspin> If I want to install graveman from the Hoary repos on my warty system, will upgrading the dependencies break my ubuntu?
[04:06] <fr500> i want suspend ala windoze
[04:06] <dash> fr500: it does not play nice with GLX, in my experience
[04:06] <fr500> that is way faster
[04:07] <fr500> GLX?
[04:07] <membreya> well there's suspend to memory and suspend to disk ..aka suspend / hibernate
[04:07] <dash> yeah, suspend-to-ram does not work very well here
[04:07] <fr500> membreya, cool, that is what i meant then, works out of the box?
[04:07] <dash> fr500: pretty much
[04:07] <membreya> :P
[04:07] <fr500> ok
[04:07] <dash> fr500: just one thing you have to do:
[04:07] <membreya> gah!!! convertfs doesn't do vfat >:(
[04:08] <crimsun> drspin: just use the warty version of graveman.
[04:08] <fr500> dash, shoot
[04:08] <fr500> :p
[04:08] <drspin> crimsun: it's not showing u in my repos
[04:08] <dash> fr500: put resume=/dev/some/volume on your kernel commandline
[04:08] <dash> fr500: giving it a swap volume
[04:08] <drspin> crimsun: but it shows up when I enable the hoary repos
[04:08] <dash> fr500: (so it knows where to load the hibernate from)
[04:09] <fr500> dash, a bigger swap than defautl would be better i guess? it makes a 512mb by default
[04:09] <bcaesar> I have a glx question
[04:09] <dash> fr500: well it needs to be big enough to accomodate everything in ram, to say the least
[04:09] <fr500> downloading at 128kb/s, 40 mins and i'll be trying it
[04:09] <fr500> and with bittorrent, i love being at work
[04:09] <fr500> (for once)
[04:09] <membreya> back to windows to convert the drive to ext3 then to reiserfs :|
[04:10] <gilles> Is it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ?
[04:10] <bcaesar> when I try to run the glxgears command I get a segmentation fault, the same happens whenever I try to run the game 'privateer' does anyone know what the problem could be
[04:11] <dash> fr500: do you already have warty installed?
[04:11] <makyo> goooood!!! Ilio works!!! no more hags with grub!!
[04:11] <GhostFreeman> How can you guys sit here and answer TS questions all day
[04:11] <GhostFreeman> it baffles me
[04:11] <membreya> hmmm what reiserfs type does ubuntu use?
[04:12] <fr500> dash, yes i do
[04:12] <regeya> TS?
[04:12] <fr500> dash, but apt-get dist-upgrade killed it for me
[04:12] <dash> fr500: "killed it"?
[04:12] <fr500> well had to fix gnome
[04:12] <GhostFreeman> tech support
[04:12] <fr500> not here though
[04:12] <membreya> ie, does it use reiserfs4?
[04:12] <fr500> i like the iso for reusability, so it's better anyways
[04:12] <Hytak> Hi back, I just remebered something I had to ask: are the kernel source included ? Because I will need them, so...
[04:12] <dash> fr500: also, long experience with debian has taught me to never ever use dist-upgrade :)
[04:13] <fr500> ok
[04:13] <dash> Hytak: there is a source package available
[04:13] <Hytak> On the cd?
[04:13] <dash> Hytak: as well as tools to make debian packages
[04:13] <ago73> Hi all
[04:13] <Hytak> For both 2,4 and 2.6?
[04:13] <fr500> Hymie, are you on dialup?
[04:13] <Hytak> THanks
[04:13] <fr500> that was for Hytak
[04:13] <dash> Hytak: oh, on the CD? hmmm
[04:13] <Hytak> Yes, on the cD
[04:13] <ago73> I cannot modprobe ntfs with 2.6.10-4
[04:13] <ago73> ntfs: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[04:14] <Hytak> IF they are not on the cd, where can I get them?
[04:14] <ago73> I am using stock kernel and modules
[04:14] <ago73> any idea?
[04:14] <crimsun> ago73: please update && upgrade, then reboot.
[04:14] <ago73> ok
[04:15] <ago73> thx
[04:15] <crimsun> np
[04:15] <fr500> crimsun, reboot required?
[04:15] <crimsun> fr500: absolutely. You need to be running the new kernel.
[04:15] <fr500> Hytak, thats why i ask if you on dial up
[04:15] <fr500> crimsun, oh ok
[04:15] <Hytak> Yes I am
[04:15] <fr500> Hytak, that kinda suks
[04:15] <crimsun> regeya: multiverse.
[04:16] <Hytak> But the  sunday I have acess to a high-connection
[04:16] <fr500> Hytak, apt sorts almost all of that for you
[04:16] <Hytak> Well, there is ONE problem
[04:17] <Hytak> TO use apt, we need internet. I have dialup. So I need driver for my modem, To install driver for my modem, I need kernel sources.
[04:17] <fr500> hmmm
[04:17] <fr500> Winmodem?
[04:18] <Hytak> Yes.
[04:18] <Hytak> But I have the driver.
[04:18] <fr500> well tomorrow is sunday
[04:18] <Hytak> Yes, I have to know if ther kenel source are included on the cd
[04:18] <Hytak> If not, to download it on an other cd
[04:19] <fr500> o dont think it is
[04:19] <crimsun> Hytak: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> is on the cd
[04:19] <Hytak> Where can we find them, so?
[04:19] <Hytak> Ok
[04:19] <Hytak> This is on 4.10 or 5.04?
[04:20] <farruinn> Hytak: 4.10
[04:20] <Hytak> Ok
[04:20] <farruinn> 5.04 has 2.6.10
[04:21] <Hytak> Am I better to download 4.10 or 5.04?
[04:21] <kutucape> 4.10
[04:21] <kutucape> or wait till April
[04:21] <crimsun> Hytak: the Hoary preview if you're looking for current versions O:-)
[04:21] <Hytak> humm
[04:22] <Hytak> I guess  there's nothing wrong with 5.04
[04:22] <fr500> java kinda freezes when loading some applets, wrong place to ask right?
[04:22] <fr500> bowser freezes would be more correct
[04:22] <fr500> browser
[04:23] <SidDithersL> hey guys. I'm new to ubuntu and I really could use some help setting up ndiswrapper. I downloaded ndiswrapper*.deb, and I ran sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb but when it finishes it still wont run in the terminal
[04:23] <SidDithersL> :/
[04:23] <dash> SidDithersL: what won't run in the terminal?
[04:23] <SidDithersL> ndiswrapper
[04:23] <SidDithersL> after typing sudo dpkg -i ndis*.deb
[04:23] <regeya> fun fact:  bowser of sha-na-na went to julliard.
[04:23] <fr500> SidDithersL, did u install it as fakeroot?
[04:23] <crimsun> SidDithersL: tried https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper ?
[04:24] <fr500> SidDithersL, are you sure you need it (ndiswrapper)?
[04:24] <SidDithersL> fakeroot? I just opened a root terminal under applications and tried it
[04:24] <SidDithersL> im pretty sure I do fr500
[04:24] <SidDithersL> I dont think my broadcom chip is supported natively
[04:24] <fr500> SidDithersL, you need to type sudo su first
[04:24] <dash> fr500: not if he has a root terminal open
[04:24] <fr500> oh
[04:24] <fr500> lol
[04:27] <SidDithersL> one sec
[04:31] <SidDithersL> rofl
[04:31] <SidDithersL> mozilla that comes with ubuntu cant verify ubuntulinux.org
[04:31] <SidDithersL> as a safe site
[04:31] <SidDithersL> :P
[04:31] <jimarko> hey, speaking of sudo, how many people went and enabled the root account?
[04:32] <geneo91> maybe its not safe
[04:32] <geneo91> me
[04:32] <dash> jimarko: i've been using sudo on all the other boxes i admin for years, i was glad to see that ubuntu enabled it by default :)
[04:35] <Levander> Is there any web application that will let me what choose music to play on the machine that is running the web server?  As opposed to playing the machine on the client?
[04:35] <SidDithersL> I think I enabled it
[04:35] <SidDithersL> and once I can get ndiswrapper up and running i need to disable it again
[04:36] <SidDithersL> ok I followed the ndiswrapper howto
[04:36] <SidDithersL> when i run ndiswrapper -l, it tells me "bcmwl5 hardware present"
[04:36] <SidDithersL> no drivers present
[04:36] <heatxsink> hello all
[04:36] <SidDithersL> and yet, at the same time, iwconfig can find my routers signal, as well as the other networks in my area
[04:36] <SidDithersL> and I have 100% signal strength
[04:36] <SidDithersL> but ndiswrapper still doesnt report the drivers as present
[04:37] <fr500> SidDithersL, maybe your wifi card is supported natively
[04:38] <fr500> fr500, what is the name of the adapter in iwconfig?
[04:38] <fr500> ndiswrapper names it wlan0 i think
[04:38] <heatxsink> I have a Audigy2 ZS sound card, when I ran warty it worked great, when I upgraded to hoary, it seems to still work but no sound is comming out of my speakers, I've checked the mixer channels like master and pcm, and they are both unmuted and at full volume, when I run xmms it plays with no problem, I also checked in Xmms to make sure the right output device was selected, and it works with either ALSA out, or OSS out.  HELP?
[04:38] <SidDithersL> im creating wlan0 in the network config through ubuntu now, gimmie a sec
[04:39] <dash> heatxsink: mmmm fun
[04:39] <heatxsink> dash, yes :-)
[04:39] <heatxsink> dash, I'm thinking when I upgraded I overwrote some config file I shouldn't have
[04:39] <dash> heatxsink: does gdm make noises?
[04:39] <heatxsink> no
[04:39] <SidDithersL> yeah its wlan0 fr50
[04:39] <SidDithersL> *fr500
[04:39] <heatxsink> heatxsink, gdm does not make noise
[04:40] <dash> heatxsink: Hmm. do you have polypaudio installed?
[04:40] <SidDithersL> on a side note
[04:40] <heatxsink> dash, checking
[04:40] <fr500> SidDithersL, weird, maybe it's path issues
[04:40] <fr500> try #ndiswrapper
[04:40] <SidDithersL> in network Settings, when I click the box to activate wlan0, it stays checked for a second, then unchecks itself
[04:40] <heatxsink> dash, no, install?
[04:40] <dash> heatxsink: no
[04:40] <fr500> SidDithersL, try iwconfieg wlan0 essid on
[04:41] <heatxsink> dash, damn..i just did
[04:41] <fr500> SidDithersL, does your ap have DHCP
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: heheh
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: it was just a question!!@
[04:41] <dash> ;)
[04:41] <heatxsink> dash, does that make my situtaion worse?
[04:41] <geneo91> SidDithersL:  when you check box then quit app it connects
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: Maybe
[04:41] <jeff_> when useing lynx
[04:41] <jeff_> where does it usually downlaod to
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: having it installed gave me symptoms like that
[04:41] <dash> jeff_: to .
[04:41] <heatxsink> okay removed it
[04:41] <SidDithersL> Fr500 it just returned me to the terminal prompt
[04:41] <heatxsink> whew
[04:42] <heatxsink> dash, you have an audigy too?
[04:42] <dash> heatxsink: no
[04:42] <jeff_> dash, was that  joke
[04:42] <jeff_> lol
[04:42] <dash> jeff: no
[04:42] <dash> heatxsink: whenever i have audio problems i use aumix to look at the levels