[01:41] <emgent> some launchpad admin here ?
[01:42] <emgent> SteveA: around ?
[01:44] <jml> emgent: what's the problem?
[01:44] <emgent> i need LP admin for edit https://launchpad.net/nubuntu
[01:45] <emgent> (we need to unblock it.. now me (and nother nubuntu devel cant edit it)
[01:45] <emgent> jml: are you able to fix it ?
[01:46] <jml> emgent: not directly, no.
[01:46] <emgent> jml: i should wait kiko ?
[01:47] <jml> emgent: probably. if you haven't already, you should ask a question on answers.lp.net/launchpad
[01:47] <emgent> will do. danke.
[01:47] <jml> emgent: mthaddon *might* be able to help you, not sure if he's still around.
[01:50] <emgent> mthaddon: ping :)
[02:20] <mthaddon> emgent: what's up?
[02:21] <emgent> mthaddon: see https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/54892
[02:22] <mthaddon> emgent: not exactly sure what you mean by "unblock it"
[02:23] <emgent> now we can edit descritipn, activate bugtracker, blueprints ecc..
[02:23] <emgent> *cant*
[02:23] <emgent> *description*
[02:23] <emgent> mthaddon: we need the possibility to manage it..
[02:24] <mthaddon> are you in the nbuntu developers team?
[02:24] <emgent> ya
[02:24] <mthaddon> hmm, that's set as the driver for it, not sure why you wouldn't be able to edit those things
[02:24] <emgent> i cant set it.
[02:25] <emgent> Not allowed here
[02:25] <emgent> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[02:25] <emgent> You are logged in as Emanuele Gentili.
[02:25] <emgent> but i'm in nubuntu developers team.
[02:26] <emgent> also
[02:26] <emgent> https://launchpad.net/nubuntu/+branding
[02:26] <emgent> is broken.
[02:26] <mthaddon> looking into it now (why you can't edit these things)
[02:27] <mthaddon> emgent: were you able to edit it before and now you can't, or have you never been able to edit it?
[02:27] <emgent> i can try to edit, but when i push confirm i see this error.
[02:28] <mthaddon> emgent: yeah, I just mean is this a new error, or it's always been like that?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: can you kill ~test12345 please :)
[02:28] <emgent> i have access to https://launchpad.net/nubuntu/+edit but if i click on "Change" button.. dont work.
[02:28] <emgent> mthaddon: always.
[02:29] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: that's you, I take it?
[02:29] <emgent> nubuntu Registered
[02:29] <emgent> 2008-12-03
[02:29] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: yes
[02:29] <Hobbsee> damn it, i've forgotten the password, too
[02:29] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: can't you merge it into your account?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: I could, but that's not what I use it for ;)
[02:30]  * Hobbsee wants to see if that bug really is fixed.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> and apart from that, i use it as a non-priveledged account
[02:30] <mthaddon> emgent: I'm afraid we may have to wait for kiko (currently on a plane to Brasil) as I'm not too familiar with the permissions on distros
[02:30] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: gotcha - disabling now
[02:31] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: cool :)
[02:31] <emgent> mthaddon: can you write a note for him about this issue ?
[02:32] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: disabled
[02:32] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: thanks :)
[02:33] <emgent> mthaddon: ?
[02:33] <mthaddon> emgent: I'm going to assign the question to him
[02:33] <mthaddon> emgent: ok, done
[02:33] <emgent> danke. :)
[02:34] <mthaddon> np
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hrm.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> well, i found another bug
[02:35] <mthaddon> ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> but so far I haven't managed to reactivate that account
[02:36] <Hobbsee> maybe it's not a bug
[02:36] <Hobbsee> it throws up an error because the account is suspended, but still lets you fill in details and hit continue and such anyway
[02:37] <Hobbsee> then tells you that the token's already validated
[02:37] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: Well done launchpad guys :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> it appears that there's now no way to shortcut reactivate a launchpad account :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> well, not a suspended one, anyway
[02:39] <mthaddon> so it works, but in a very convoluted and broken way?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> no, it doesn't work
[02:40] <Hobbsee> that account's still dead as a doornail, and i can't think of another way to try to break it open again.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: fwiw https://edge.launchpad.net/~maurizioantillon and https://edge.launchpad.net/~maurizio-live should be able to have their final killing, too (assuming they're the same person)
[02:41] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: but that's what we want - when an account is suspended, we don't want it to be reactivate-able
[02:41] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: precisely.  Hence the well done :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> "it doesn't work", ie, it can't be reactivated.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh, i see what you meant now.  damn negated negatives and similar.
[02:41] <mthaddon> ah, thought that was a sarcastic "well done" :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> no, no
[02:42] <Hobbsee> if i had been going to do that, i would have used something like "you fail, try again next time"
[02:42] <Hobbsee> as well as the phrase "reactivated."
[02:42] <mthaddon> :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ;)
[02:44] <mthaddon> ok, I'm off to find some food - catch you later
[02:44] <Hobbsee> enjoy!
[03:31] <et3> I updated the bug report on a new package and I need someone whom evaluates packages look over it.
[03:31] <et3> it can be found here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/307928
[04:24] <Pici> et3: It would be best if you asked in #ubuntu-motu
[08:41] <pkt> Is there any way to have my program build with -rsudo instead of -rfakeroot?
[08:41] <pkt> It seems fakeroot plays a part in the crash
[08:50] <wgrant> pkt: No, your package is broken. You need to fix it.
[08:51] <pkt> understood
[09:55] <pmarti> hi there, how can I have the trac instance of my project registered with launchpad so I can integrate bug tracking? thanks
[10:24] <gmb> pmarti: You need to visit http://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+new-bugtracker to register your bug tracker.
[10:25] <gmb> pmarti: Do you have the Launchpad API plugin for Trac installed on your project's Trac?
[10:33] <pmarti> gmb: thanks for the hint
[10:33] <pmarti> gmb: no I haven't, is it mandatory ?
[10:35] <jamesh> pmarti: the basic bug status syncing will work without the plugin, but more advanced features need it (e.g. comment syncing)
[10:36] <pmarti> jamesh: excellent, that will do till our sysadmin finds some time to install the plugin
[10:36] <pmarti> thanks for the help jamesh & gmb
[12:05] <popey> Spads: more spammers for you ben66kre0 and fre70jac2
[12:06] <Spads> popey: hmmm, pretty sure we got ben66...
[12:06] <Spads> popey:  got pages where they're working?
[12:06] <popey> home
[12:06] <Spads> bril
[12:07] <popey> ben added attachment fre added a link to a chinese site
[12:07] <popey> fre also added a page called /1 and attachment to it
[12:08] <popey> also spammed the /air page
[12:08] <Spads> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=info <-- needs reverting
[12:09] <Spads> I've disabled fre
[12:09] <Spads> ben we got the other day
[12:10] <Spads> we've disabled attachments on the pages where the spams linked to attachments, so they're kind of out of luck there
[12:10] <Spads> odd, looks like fre reverted his change
[12:11] <Spads> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=diff&rev2=6&rev1=5
[12:11] <popey> yeah
[12:11] <popey> he played around with the air page a lot
[12:11] <popey> reverting, changing etc
[12:11] <Spads> yeah, this looks like airline phishing stuff
[12:12] <popey> ooo looks like we have another one - maximusin
[12:12]  * Spads locks attachments on 1
[12:12] <popey> that user edited the page sdsdsd and added attachment
[12:13] <Spads> yeah see it
[12:13] <Spads> locking
[12:21] <popey> thanks Spads
[12:21] <popey> now, pub lunch - must stay off irc for the afternoon  - feel free to /ignore popey for the next few hours
[12:22] <Spads> haha
[12:22] <Spads> man, lunch sounds like a great idea actually
[13:52] <salsaman> hi
[13:52] <salsaman> hello
[13:53] <salsaman> ping !
[13:55] <salsaman> nobody around
[13:55] <salsaman> doesnt surprise me, it seems like this launchpad is a complete con
[13:56] <salsaman> i went to register my project, and i found somebody else had already registered it
[13:56] <salsaman> so i am basically locked out of my own project there
[13:57] <salsaman> nice going guys !
[13:57] <beuno> salsaman, which project would that be?
[13:57] <salsaman> LiVES
[13:58] <beuno> salsaman, your project is a video editing system as well?
[13:59] <salsaman> as well ?
[13:59] <beuno> https://edge.launchpad.net/lives
[14:00] <beuno> is it the same project, or did someone else call their project "lives"?
[14:00] <salsaman> yep, thats the one
[14:00] <beuno> salsaman, and you own it in sourceforge as well?
[14:00] <salsaman> yep
[14:00] <salsaman> and on freshmeat
[14:01] <salsaman> i have no idea who this ntrofurano is
[14:01] <beuno> salsaman, file a question in: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[14:01] <salsaman> but it seems there is no way to contact him/her
[14:01] <beuno> explaining what happened
[14:01] <beuno> salsaman, https://edge.launchpad.net/~nitrofurano-3t
[14:01] <beuno> on his page
[14:01] <salsaman> right
[14:01] <beuno> you can use the "Contact this user" form
[14:01] <beuno> try talking to him to give you the project
[14:01] <salsaman> let me see
[14:02] <beuno> and, otherwise, file the question, and an admin will look into it
[14:02] <beuno> that person seems active in Launchpad, so he should get back to you
[14:02] <salsaman> where is the contact form ?
[14:02] <salsaman> i dont see it
[14:02] <beuno> some people register projects as placeholders, and give them to their owners when they show up, so don't worry too much about it
[14:02] <beuno> salsaman, you have to be logged in
[14:03] <salsaman> again ?
[14:03] <salsaman> jeez, i already logged in twice
[14:03] <beuno> salsaman, ah
[14:03] <beuno> that's my fault
[14:03] <beuno> I gave you an "edge" URL for beta testers
[14:03] <beuno> https://launchpad.net/~nitrofurano-3t
[14:03] <beuno> there
[14:04] <beuno> you shouldn't need to log in there
[14:05] <salsaman> but how can somebody do that ?
[14:05] <beuno> register a project?
[14:05] <salsaman> just register a project without contacting the project team
[14:06] <beuno> well, people work in odd ways  :)
[14:06] <salsaman> can i report this as abuse if he refuses to cooperate ?
[14:07] <beuno> salsaman, yes, we can work it out if he doesn't want to play nice
[14:07] <beuno> we just want to make sure we asked nicely first
[14:07] <beuno> assume the best from people  ;)
[14:12] <salsaman> ok, thanks for your help
[14:12] <salsaman> i have fired off an email to him asking him to either hand over the project or to work with me on promoting it
[14:13] <beuno> salsaman, cool. If it doesn't work out, just file a question in: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[14:13] <beuno> explaining all of this
[14:13] <beuno> and an admin will work it out
[15:55] <deryck> hi all
[16:44] <lool> Hi folks, I hope it's ok to ask question about launchpadlib here
[16:45] <lool> I wonder how to map a publishing history object to the librarian objects (.dsc .orig.tar.gz etc.); I'd like to list all .dsc ever pushed to a ppa to import them in a vcs
[16:45] <lool> So far I only get information about the status, source package name and version, removal comment, but not the actual URLs to librarian objects as I see them on the web page
[17:02] <rockstar> lool, hi
[17:11] <lool> rockstar: Hi
[17:17] <rockstar> lool, I'm looking into your question now.
[17:17] <lool> Oh thanks
[17:21]  * lool needs to disapear for an hour or so
[17:56] <thekorn> lool, I might be wrong, but I think there is no API method to get the url of an dsc file
[17:56] <thekorn> but I think it should be possible to create the url out of source_package_name, source_package_version and maybe archive.owner
[18:12] <thekorn> lool, maybe something like to http://paste.ubuntu.com/88662/
[18:24] <lool> thekorn: Excellent thanks; didn't know about that /+files way to access superseded packages
[18:25] <lool> thekorn: Hmm no, I get 404 on the old .dscs
[18:29] <thekorn> lool, hmm, ok, it worked on the few archives I checked, maybe I just got lucky
[18:32] <lool> thekorn: aargh no, stupid copy paste error
[18:32] <lool> works fine
[18:32] <thekorn> super
[18:33] <lool> thanks a lot
[18:33] <lool> I wonder how dups are managed
[18:39] <cprov> lool: the PPA/+files namespace redirects to librarian
[18:39] <cprov> lool: dups will redirect to the same librarian file
[18:40] <cprov> lool: but soon the files themselves will be available via the API
[18:40]  * cprov goes back to bed ...
[19:22] <Rinchen> rockstar, I see you are chr for today. I need help. My Launchpad t-shirt hasn't arrived yet. :-D
[19:33] <mtaylor> hey guys - any "good" way for me to remove borked pushes?
[19:33] <mtaylor> and by that, I mean branches that I tried to push but which are now half-created?
[19:34] <mtaylor> specifically lp:~mordred/wafflegrid/build-work and lp:~mordred/wafflegrid/build-options
[19:44] <MagicFab> Hi guys
[19:46] <MagicFab> I have a case of extreme abuse of Launchpad - specifically commenting bugs, setting them to FIX RELEASED and opening multiple accounts to ask questiosn and answer them, then mark tehem as answered, to get more karma.
[19:46] <MagicFab> Who should I report this to ?
[19:47] <MagicFab> cody-somerville, jcastro ^ ?
[19:48] <cody-somerville> MagicFab, whats the account name?
[19:48] <cody-somerville> Rinchen, ^^
[19:49] <MagicFab> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sebastiancobaleda
[19:49] <MagicFab> this one is getting all the karma
[19:49] <Rinchen> rockstar, ^^
[19:49] <Rinchen> gmb, ^^
[19:49]  * Rinchen is on the phone but will be back shorlty
[19:49] <MagicFab> and if you look at all the answers, they are from most probably dummy accounts opened to build karma against this single account.
[19:50] <MagicFab> no hurries, but this is a somewhat motivated person with dubious intentions.
[19:50] <cody-somerville> MagicFab, can you give an example of a bogus account?
[19:51] <cody-somerville> and a few examples of bogus questions
[19:51] <MagicFab> any of the answers he replied to
[19:51]  * MagicFab gets some
[19:52] <MagicFab> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~sebastiancobaleda
[19:52] <MagicFab> pipo
[19:52] <MagicFab> lesther
[19:52] <MagicFab> rafael
[19:54] <cody-somerville> MagicFab, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~pipo/+questions?field.search_text=&field.sort=RELEVANCY&field.sort-empty-marker=1&field.actions.search=Search&field.status=OPEN&field.status=NEEDSINFO&field.status=ANSWERED&field.status=SOLVED&field.status=EXPIRED&field.status=INVALID&field.status-empty-marker=1 <-- is empty
[19:54] <MagicFab> all questions with same structure, all "thank you phrases" cut & paste
[19:54] <LarstiQ> mtaylor: half-created how exactly?
[19:55] <MagicFab> sorry, I used "submitter"
[19:55] <MagicFab> see https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~boiachimolla88
[19:56] <mtaylor> LarstiQ: aha! for a bit there wasn't a delete button present
[19:56] <mtaylor> now it'st there
[19:59] <MagicFab> cody-somerville, his bug reports sabotaging worries me most -> closing bugs as fix released at random and posting unrelated comments.
[20:03] <LarstiQ> MagicFab: got some examples of that?
[20:10] <sirderigo> hi everybody
[20:16] <sirderigo-epg> LarstiQ, i dont wanna to be a "man in the middle" :D but, he only have 2 monts being a member of launchpad, and have a lot of karma, and, this is very hard to do, who here get 2645 in two monts?
[20:21] <MagicFab> unrelated comment: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/273268/comments/11
[20:22] <MagicFab> unrelated comment: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/231953/comments/10
[20:23] <MagicFab> same comments as 231953: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ps3-port/+bug/285218/comments/13
[20:24] <MagicFab> Marked bug as fix released without the bug being fixed, unrelated comment: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bug/290467/comments/11
[20:24] <MagicFab> unrelated comment: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bug/247784/comments/2
[20:24] <MagicFab> and so on
[20:24] <MagicFab> LarstiQ, ^
[20:25] <LarstiQ> MagicFab: I see
[20:26] <MagicFab> Normally I wouldnn't care but he tried joining a support team
[20:27] <MagicFab> and when I found about the random bug triaging... I know that sucks up a lot of time from people thinking this is legit
[20:30] <cr3> if I have a project with only a couple bugs and I've now done a complete rewrite of the code which would warrant a rename, should I: 1. ask to have the project renamed; 2. create another project, migrate the bugs and ask to have the old project deleted?
[20:31] <LarstiQ> cr3: did the rewrite invalidate all bugs/history/other resources?
[20:32] <LarstiQ> I'm guessing no since you ask about migrating bugs
[20:32] <cr3> LarstiQ: after looking at them, it seems so, yes
[20:32] <LarstiQ> ah :)
[20:33] <cr3> LarstiQ: however, the concerns raised by the bugs are shared by the rewrite, so it would also make sense to mark them as fixed-released. but either way, not a big deal considering there are only a couple bugs
[20:50] <Rocket2DMn> hey quick question guys, do we support bugs filed in languages other than english?
[20:50] <cody-somerville> who is "we"?
[20:50] <Rocket2DMn> well, anybody who wants to deal with the bugs - triagers, developers, etc
[20:51] <Rocket2DMn> is it ok for people to submit reports in say, spanish?
[20:51] <LarstiQ> Rocket2DMn: that is up to the project the bugs are filed on I think.
[20:51] <Rocket2DMn> a forum user is asking if s/he can translate my guide to filing bugs into spanish for the LoCos
[20:52] <LarstiQ> ah, Ubuntu
[20:52] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, Ubuntu
[20:52]  * LarstiQ moves to the sidelines
[20:53] <Rocket2DMn> i was under the impression that English was the primary language used, and that other than translations of packages and documentation to other languages, we didn't officially deal with anything in other languages outside of LoCos and specialized areas
[20:53] <Rocket2DMn> I'm going to let the user translate my guide of course, but I just want to include a note about filing the reports in English if that's needed
[20:54] <rockstar> Rocket2DMn, well, you severely limit those who can understand your bugs if you only use spanish.
[20:55] <Rocket2DMn> rockstar, i know, I can translate from spanish well enough, but the user in question will be translating the guide into spanish for those who speak spanish as their primary language
[20:56] <Rocket2DMn> I thought I had read a year or so ago about english being _the_ language to use, I just wanted to know if I'm crazy or if anybody else has anything to say about the subject
[20:56] <rockstar> Rocket2DMn, shoot, the more people that know how to file bugs, the more get reported and (hopefully) the more get fixed.
[20:56] <rockstar> Rocket2DMn, but, I would say the question is probably better asked in #ubuntu-bugs
[20:56] <LarstiQ> Rocket2DMn: it sounds like this is more a question for the Ubuntu community?
[20:57] <Rocket2DMn> +1 i agree, but i also don't want to waste people's time if those bugs won't get triaged/fixed
[20:57] <Rocket2DMn> rockstar, im in that channel by default, i'll throw the question around in there as well
[20:58] <Rocket2DMn> LarstiQ, yes, I thought there would be a fair number in here, but esp. since bugs get filed upstream toward Debian and other projects, other LP users might know.
[20:58] <LarstiQ> Rocket2DMn: as an upstream project, I don't think I've seen a non-English bug report yet, nor would I encourage it. We do get support requests in different languages though.
[20:59] <LarstiQ> as a non-native (Dutch) myself, I vastly prefer communication to be in English, but that's just me.
[20:59] <Rocket2DMn> LarstiQ, yes i ve run across a few bugs and questions in other languages, i just didnt know if there was a version of part of LP geared toward other languages, esp. one as large as the spanish speaking community
[21:00] <LarstiQ> Rocket2DMn: not that I've seen :)
[21:00] <Rocket2DMn> yeah neither had I LarstiQ , figured I should ask though.
[21:00]  * LarstiQ nods
[21:00] <Rocket2DMn> Thank you for your input guys
[22:05] <mtaylor> is there a way to revoke a merge proposal?
[22:06] <rockstar> mtaylor, set the status to "Rejected"
[22:07] <mtaylor> rockstar: I don't seem to have permission to do that...
[22:07] <mtaylor> rockstar: I made the request, but I have no permissions on the target branch or project
[22:08] <rockstar> mtaylor, hm, then I guess there is no way.  You could request that the owner set the branch to Rejected.
[22:08] <mtaylor> rockstar: ok. thanks
[22:35] <fta> two ppa builders are stuck on the same package since 2008-12-16... (doing v4l-dvb-dkms)
[22:36] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/hassium
[22:37] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/lychee
[22:37] <rockstar> mthaddon, ^^
[22:38] <mthaddon> rockstar, fta: I don't really deal with the buildds, but will see if I can find someone who can
[22:39] <rockstar> mthaddon, shoot, what happens if they are all on leave?
[22:40] <mthaddon> rockstar: not everyone's on leave
[22:42] <Ursinha> fta, it seems it can be a bug, see bug 309645
[22:42] <Rinchen> hmm
[22:42] <Rinchen> there's a way to unstick them
[22:43] <Rinchen> but they are on infinity's jobs
[22:43] <Rinchen> let me see if he's around before I nuke them
[22:44] <elmo> err, how were you planning on "nuking" them?
[22:44] <elmo> and he's not around, he's on leave
[22:44] <Rinchen> yeah
[22:44] <Rinchen> it might just be the name on the builder
[22:44] <Rinchen> I was going to cancel the build job
[22:44] <Rinchen> I pinged him the details
[22:45] <Rinchen> ah well
[22:45] <Rinchen> in fact it is
[22:45] <Rinchen> it's for someone else
[22:47] <Rinchen> lol
[22:47] <Rinchen> oh yeah, I forgot we didn't implement the cancel button yet
[22:48] <Rinchen> I think it's safe to say I need a vacation
[22:48] <Rinchen> mthaddon, I don't know of any way to cancel those without shutting the builder down
[22:48] <Rinchen> mthaddon, one has been building for 3 days, the other 4
[23:28] <elmo> hassium is back
[23:29] <elmo> lychee should be coming ack shortly
[23:29] <elmo> fta: ^--
[23:29] <Nafallo> yay!
[23:42] <fta> elmo, thanks!
[23:57] <MTecknology> How do I drop a member from my team?
[23:58] <MTecknology> Or will they always be listed under the deactivated section?
[23:58] <wgrant> I believe they will always be.
[23:58] <wgrant> This is very strange.
[23:59] <wgrant> Bug #121380


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[11:22] <dothebart> hm, rfid card reader with the new german computer bild.
[14:24] <falktx> hey guys
[14:24] <falktx> I'm having an issue with a package
[14:25] <falktx> it build sucessfully, but now seems like it is stuck on the upload process
[14:25] <falktx> (it is like this for about 10 hours now)
[14:25] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+sourcepub/1384496/+listing-archive-extra
[14:25] <falktx> the amd64 build
[14:25] <falktx> can you check it for me?
[14:29] <falktx> maybe it will fix itself if I upload it again?
[14:59] <falktx> anyone?
[15:01] <ari-tczew> falktx: just ask
[15:01] <ari-tczew> maybe anyone will answer
[15:02] <falktx> i already asked
[15:02] <falktx> I'll repeat...
[15:02] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+sourcepub/1384496/+listing-archive-extra
[15:02] <falktx> I'm having an issue with a package
[15:02] <falktx> it build sucessfully, but now seems like it is stuck on the upload process
[15:02] <ari-tczew> falktx: ah sorry, I just opened IRC client
[15:02] <falktx> can you check it for me?
[15:02] <falktx> ari-tczew: it's ok
[15:03] <falktx> I try a re-upload, but I dont get any mail about the package
[15:03]  * ari-tczew is looking
[15:03] <falktx> ari-tczew: thanks
[15:08] <ari-tczew> falktx: and what's the problem? do you want to upload new revision?
[15:09] <falktx> ari-tczew: the amd64 upload is stuck
[15:11] <falktx> ari-tczew: just got the email about my re-upload
[15:11] <falktx> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+sourcepub/1385005/+listing-archive-extra
[15:11] <ari-tczew> falktx: ah right, process has been hanged. soyuz admin should fix this problem
[15:11] <ari-tczew> I can't help, sorry.
[15:12] <falktx> ari-tczew: does re-uploading ^ fixes the issue?
[15:13] <ari-tczew> falktx: Dunno. But you can try.  Just bump rev version in debian/changelog.
[15:13] <falktx> ari-tczew: yep, that's what I did
[15:13] <falktx> ari-tczew: btw, why do this happen?
[15:13] <ari-tczew> falktx: IMHO server issue.
[15:14] <falktx> it happens to me often...
[15:16] <ari-tczew> falktx: I noticed that your PPA is pretty busy.
[15:16] <falktx> hehe, yep
[15:16] <falktx> it's getting full again...
[15:16] <ari-tczew>     7.6 GiB (95.27%) of 8.0 GiB
[15:16] <falktx> ari-tczew: i'm about to release a new version of my distro, so...
[15:16] <ari-tczew> maybe there is a problem
[15:17] <falktx> ari-tczew: what do you mean?
[15:18] <ari-tczew> falktx: maybe more free space on PPA will resolve hanging publish processes.
[15:18] <ari-tczew> I'm not launchpad/soyuz expert.
[15:18] <falktx> ari-tczew: i'm about to create a kernel only PPA, and move the kernel there
[15:18] <falktx> it should save at least ~300mb
[15:19] <ari-tczew> nice
[15:20] <falktx> launchpad rocks!
[15:20] <falktx> i would never be able to host so many software on my own...
[15:40] <trijntje> Hi all, I've recently started a moderated team with mailinglist on Launchpad, and I would like to make the mailinglist open to all. I've been looking around but I cannot seem to find this option, can someone provide me with a pointer?
[15:43] <tsimpson> I don't think that is possible, only team members can participate in the list
[15:47] <trijntje> thats too bad, I would really like to have the list open
[15:50] <tsimpson> the archives will be open to anyone, just subscriptions will be limited to team members
[15:59] <trijntje> tsimpson, ok, thanks for the information, ill have to think about some other way to communicate with pending team members
[16:00] <tsimpson> LP does let you send messages to anyone via the "Contact this user" link
[16:01] <tsimpson> I'm also pretty sure someone could post to the list via the "Contact this teams members" link, if the team has the list set as the contact address
[16:02] <tsimpson> well, have it put in the moderation queue anyway
[16:04] <trijntje> the thing is that its a translation team, so that new members will be pending and only suggesting translations for quite some time untill their translations are good enough. During that time it would be great if they could follow and post to the mailinglist
[16:27] <share> why is launchpad slow
[16:29] <share> r u being ddosed
[17:06] <spackel> is there a way to change ownership of a team in launchpad?
[17:10] <jussi> spackel: click change details on the right, then go to the bottom and click change owner.
[17:11] <spackel> jussi: oh, thanks, i guess i didn't see that before.  >.<  sorry if i wasted your time.
[17:12] <jussi> spackel: no probs - Ive missed it before and had to ask, so thats why I knew :)
[17:12] <jussi> Is there a way to make all the members of a team automatically be added to the launchpad ML?
[17:15] <tsimpson> I doubt it
[17:15] <tsimpson> MLs are supposed to be opt-in
[17:50] <hendry> how do i get a tarball of https://code.launchpad.net/~jolting/c2esp/trunk ?
[17:56] <_habnabit> If I have a bug that's filed against the wrong branch, is there a way to move it?
[18:11] <wolfrage> Hi I want to confirm a few things. One you can not make blueprints for a PPA in launch pad correct?
[18:12] <maco> wolfrage: blueprints are for projects
[18:13] <wolfrage> With that in mind is it ok to create a project for a patch that I am creating. The patch is actually a feature plugin. It is for Empathy/Telepathy in order to support OTR. I basicly want this because i want to be able to share blueprints and allow others to help me, as I have gotten a few people together that have offered to help.
[18:17] <wolfrage> Any one?
[18:19] <maco> sure, why not?
[18:19] <maco> a plugin sounds like a project to me
[18:21] <_habnabit> Er, a series. That's what I was thinking of.
[18:21] <_habnabit> If I have a bug filed against the wrong series, how can I fix that?
[18:24] <wolfrage> OK so I am going to create a project and I will link it to the bug and the upstream projects.
[18:24] <wolfrage> maco: thank you for your help!
[18:58] <lifeless> maco: if its going in one codebase, it should be one project.
[18:59] <lifeless> maco: so patches, shouldn't be new projects, it just confuses things, performs poorly.
[18:59] <lifeless> wolfrage: ^ if your code is going to be in a totally new VCS tree, making a project is reasonable, otherwise I'd work under the empathy/telepathy project banner
[19:05] <wolfrage> lifeless: I have actually decided to use the Git Repos on Freedesktop, after further talking things over with the telepathy developers.
[19:05] <wolfrage> lifeless: thank you though.


[00:45] <wxl> hey folks. the info on the wiki pages seems outdated. is there still a supported arm port?
[00:46] <wxl> i'm thinking if ubuntu's still supporting arm, it might be nice to get lubuntu arm images. i was thinking about buying a board and doing testing.
[00:46] <wxl> specifically, i'm leaning towards a beaglebone black or a riotboard.
[00:47] <wxl> of the two, i'm a little more excited about the riotboard, especially given the freescale chip. i have a buddy that works for them and i'd like to support them!
[00:49] <k1l> what is outdated?
[00:49] <k1l> there should be the same support like it was for 13.10/14.04
[00:50] <wxl> well the only thing that was mentioned on the Ubuntu/Arm page is 12.04
[00:51] <wxl> also there's no mention of the i.MX 6
[00:51] <k1l> beagleboard is supported
[00:52] <wxl> the original from what i can tell
[00:52] <wxl> not the black which uses a differnent chip
[00:52] <k1l> but its not like you put a cd into a arm device and its all fine. most times you need some work
[00:52] <wxl> please elaborate
[00:53] <k1l> the driver situation is worse on arm. its not like we have generic or open drivers as fallback. in most cases you need to get the drivers and that can be a showstopper
[00:54] <wxl> you're referring to the drivers for non-processor components?
[00:55] <wxl> meh maybe i should just give a shot
[01:00] <k1l> wxl: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[01:02] <wxl> well that's promising
[01:02] <wxl> i guess tl;dr i need to just go hunting :)
[01:02] <wxl> which is fine
[01:03] <k1l> dont expect the situation as with a modern laptop, where you just put in a ubuntu.iso and you are fine to go.
[01:05] <infinity> wxl: Building full lubuntu images isn't worth the effort, as we'd need to build a different one for each target platform just to be able to boot them.
[01:05] <infinity> wxl: Telling people to use the d-i images and then install lubuntu-desktop as their last step would work much better, and is already supported today.
[01:05] <wxl> infinity: oh!
[01:06] <wxl> infinity: by d-i you mean.... netboot?
[01:06] <infinity> wxl: Right.
[01:06] <wxl> right.
[01:07] <infinity> wxl: No guarantees that the generic kernel has all the right options turned on (or builds the DTB) for your platform, but we don't have every board in the world, so the only way we can support everyone is for you to fiddle a bit and let us know what works, and we can fix up our configs to work there.
[01:07] <wxl> infinity: so is there any likelihood that there WILL be full *ubuntu images for arm?
[01:07] <infinity> wxl: No, because a "full" image can't be bootable on more than one system, and building 40 of them would be ridiculous.
[01:07] <infinity> wxl: Welcome to the world of platform differentiation.
[01:08] <wxl> infinity: this is due to all the different instruction sets and such?
[01:08] <infinity> wxl: This is why, say, Cyanogen builds images for dozens of targets.  But that's their business, and their userbase, it's not ours, so not worth our time to even try.
[01:08] <infinity> wxl: No, the instruction sets are the same, or the general userspace wouldn't work.
[01:09] <infinity> wxl: It's the base platforms being different, needing different early bootloader setups, etc, etc.
[01:09] <wxl> ic
[01:09] <infinity> wxl: There's no generic BIOS-like standard on ARM.
[01:09] <wxl> OH
[01:09] <wxl> that explains a lot then
[01:10] <k1l> wxl: just think about we needed own ubuntu iso for every intel or amd cpu  mixed with the intel, amd, nvidia video card setup.
[01:10] <wxl> yeah that's stupid
[01:10] <wxl> so the arm world has a lot more work ahead of them if they intend to really take over the processor world
[01:11] <infinity> wxl: No, they've taken over just fine.
[01:11] <wxl> infinity: in terms of numbers.
[01:11] <infinity> wxl: If they want to take over the generic desktop world, sure, but they don't care about that market. :P
[01:11] <k1l> arm is very different in that way, sadly. thats what i meant with dont expect the typical PC experience with just booting a standard iso
[01:11] <infinity> wxl: In terms of numbers, they took over the world years ago.
[01:11] <wxl> well this is very educational
[01:11] <wxl> thank you btoh for taking the time to explain this all :)
[01:11] <infinity> wxl: I know people with several ARM devices, and not a single x86 device.  It's a brave new world.
[01:12] <wxl> well i think i have more arm devices in the house than not :)
[01:13] <infinity> Exactly.
[01:13] <infinity> So, they won when you weren't counting.
[01:13] <k1l> i think we will get some more generic drivers some day. but that takes some time.
[01:13] <infinity> Like I said, they don't care about the generic desktop/laptop market yet (they might some day).
[01:13] <wxl> they seem to be edging closer and closer
[01:14] <infinity> They do care about the server market, but server systems have burned in firmware and device-trees, and can all boot fine with a generic installer.
[01:14] <infinity> Dev boards don't have such luxuries. :P
[01:14] <infinity> And zero standardization.
[01:14] <infinity> Pretty much intentionally, because most dev boards are NOT meant for desktop/server dev, they're meant to emulate phones.
[01:14] <wxl> right
[01:14] <infinity> And phones are as differentiated as people.
[01:14] <wxl> you've hard of the novena i'm assuming?
[01:15] <infinity> Was that the one from bunnie?
[01:15] <wxl> https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
[01:15] <infinity> Yeah, that's the bunnie one.
[01:16] <infinity> It's a fun experiment, but crazy overpriced and bulky.
[01:16] <wxl> yeah
[01:16] <wxl> oh there i see bunnie
[01:16] <infinity> My laptop usecases pretty much demand that I have to wait for a Lenovo or a Dell to make a decent ARM laptop.
[01:17] <wxl> i guess the real reason for ubuntu-arm to exist is really to support touch then, no?
[01:17] <infinity> wxl: And ARM hyperscale servers.
[01:17] <wxl> oh really?
[01:17] <infinity> wxl: But our pure desktop use case was always sort of proof-of-concept.  I mean, no normal non-hacker person was going to buy a Pandaboard and use that as their desktop computer.
[01:17] <wxl> the server subpage was a bit confusing
[01:18] <infinity> wxl: The server website copy is crap, it's being rewritten, AFAIK.
[01:18] <wxl> it seemed to suggest there were no current machines for them
[01:18] <infinity> Yeah, that's a lie. :P
[01:18] <wxl> hahahahah
[01:18] <infinity> Every "server" system in the ARM server ecosystem (and there are a few) runs Ubuntu.
[01:18] <wxl> very cool
[01:18] <infinity> EIther ships with it, or can be installed post-ship, and is supported.
[01:19] <infinity> Personally, I'm waiting for Apple to take the plunge and ship an ARM build of MacOS X running on an ARMv8 laptop.
[01:19] <infinity> Not because I like Apple, or their hardware, or their OS.
[01:19] <wxl> eheheheh
[01:19] <infinity> But because hipsters think they're trendsetters.
[01:19] <wxl> sounds like something they would do
[01:19] <infinity> And it'll force the hand of the Lenovos of the world to make an ARM PC.
[01:19] <infinity> Just to show they can.
[01:19] <wxl> aaaaaaaaaand then threaten intel that they can get the arms cheaper
[01:19] <infinity> And we're more ready for that than Microsoft is.
[01:19] <wxl> just so they can forget the whole arm thing once they strongarm their way to a cheaper price
[01:20] <infinity> wxl: Historically, Apple hasn't switched tech to hold people hostage, they switch tech out of spite.
[01:20] <wxl> hahahahah
[01:20] <wxl> touché
[01:20] <infinity> wxl: Like, they didn't give Freescale a "scale up clock speed or we switch" ultimatum, Jobs just had a 12yo-style temper tantrum and said "fuck powerpc".
[01:21] <wxl> yeah
[01:22] <infinity> Cook seems slightly less, uhm, "passionate" than Jobs, though, so I doubt that sort of thing will happen in the future.
[01:22] <wxl> yeah but apple's not necessarily all peaches and cream
[01:23] <infinity> They haven't been either peaches or cream since the Apple ][.
[01:23] <infinity> That was their last truly open platform.
[01:23] <infinity> And it all went downhill from there.
[01:23] <infinity> But meh.
[01:23] <infinity> They drive the industry a fair bit, I can't complain about that.
[01:23] <wxl> and hey
[01:23] <wxl> they ARE unix
[01:23] <infinity> I just wish Americans weren't so entranced by the idea that "more expensive" means "better".
[01:24] <infinity> That's not Apple's fault, they just take great advantage ofit.
[01:24] <wxl> not like most of their clients even know what the "OS" stands for XD
[01:24] <wxl> i do give them kudos for doing free updates and offering betas within tim's reign
[01:24] <infinity> MacOSX may be UNIX under the hood, but I find it the most awful unix/unix-like system to actually develop with.
[01:24] <wxl> oh indeed
[01:24] <infinity> I honestly don't get people who buy Mac laptop to develop for Linux servers.
[01:25] <infinity> You basically learn it all twice anywat. :/
[01:25] <wxl> and honestly they've messed up a lot of the good parts
[01:25] <wxl> so i went to oscon and was amazed at how many people had macs
[01:25] <wxl> but i guess it wasn't linuxcon. it was oscon. different thing.
[01:26] <infinity> They're amazingly common anywhere in *any* elite field in the US.
[01:26] <infinity> Less common as you travel abroad.
[01:26] <infinity> But Apple = Status symbol in the US.
[01:26] <wxl> yeah it's pretty strange that
[01:26] <infinity> So, if you're a doctor, lawyer, marketing exec and, yes, high profile software developer, you buy a Mac and an iPhone.
[01:27] <infinity> They're the BMW (or pick your favourite high end car) of the computing world.
[01:27] <infinity> Honestly, if the keyboards weren't shit, I'd probably own a MacBook Air.  Not for the status, but because they're generally decent.
[01:27] <infinity> But keyboards are everything for me.
[01:27] <wxl> i LOVE the magic mouse
[01:28] <infinity> Which means Lenovo will own my soul until they completely break theirs.
[01:28] <wxl> which laptop do you have that the keyboard is so fantastic? i've yet to find one i really like.
[01:28] <infinity> Oh, and the trackpoint.  Becoming so rare these days, but so much more efficient than touchpads.
[01:28] <wxl> ew no thank you
[01:28] <wxl> you mean the input nipple?
[01:28] <infinity> wxl: Pretty much any ThinkPad in the last two decades?
[01:28] <wxl> yeah i've had a lot of thinkpads
[01:28] <wxl> they're fine
[01:29] <infinity> Yes, the "nipple".
[01:29] <wxl> but i don't LOVE the keyboards
[01:29] <infinity> Well, love is a bit strong, but it's the natural opposite to HATING the Apple/Samsung flat keyboards that give you RSI in about two minutes.
[01:29] <wxl> but my work computer has a tactile keyboard so i'm a little spoiled
[01:29] <wxl> heheheh
[01:30] <wxl> someday when i'm rich i'll get a happy hacking keyboard
[01:30] <infinity> wxl: My desktop keyboard is a rather expensive mechanical beast that I love dearly, but ThinkPad keyboards are the only thing I can stomach on laptops.
[01:30] <wxl> yeah mechanical. that was the word i was looking for!
[19:32] <genii> I'm trying to understand the differences between a normal Linux kernel and the Android kernel. So far it seems mainly the shared memory model (ashmem/pmem) and wakelocks. Is this why when Linux is in a chroot and Android /dev is bind-mounted the chroot can't use any of the devices there?
[19:36]  * genii goes back to reading http://elinux.org/Android_Kernel_Features and http://www.lindusembedded.com/blog/2010/12/07/android-linux-kernel-additions/
[22:09] <Riku-san> hello
[22:10] <Riku-san> I have a problem with Ubuntu 13.04 on Nexus 7, can someone help me, or will I be met with "that isn't supported" like on #ubuntu ?
[22:12] <Riku-san> according to the error report it's a problem with Xorg, sometimes touch stops working correctly, it registers taps as hovering over something instead of clicking
[22:12] <Riku-san> this renders the system next to unusable and I have to use a bluetooth keyboard to open a terminal and reboot