[04:39] <mup> Bug #1491226 changed: juju status hangs at 'connection established to' until jujud-machine-0 restarted <api> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491226>
[20:26] <menn0> thumper: I still need a ship it on this: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3075/diff/
[20:26] <menn0> you've reviewed most of it already, it's the symlink setting parts that are new
[20:27] <thumper> k
[20:35]  * thumper has to run out for a bit
[20:35] <thumper> bbl
[21:19] <thumper> back
[21:30] <menn0> thumper: the PRs that http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3075/diff/# depends on have landed. I just need a ship it for it now.
[21:30] <thumper> k
[23:10] <davecheney> wow
[23:10] <davecheney> charm.v6-unstable contains a copy of charm.v4
[23:20] <davecheney> god damnit
[23:20] <davecheney> my ibm password has expired again
[23:20] <davecheney> they issued it over the weekend
[23:20] <davecheney> and it's alread expired
[23:41] <davecheney> thumper: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3671/files#diff-2f723729fea9cfb2d2969e45da24fcdbR20
[23:41] <davecheney> the number of unwritten assumptions on this simple function is quite large
[23:41] <davecheney> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3671/files#diff-2f723729fea9cfb2d2969e45da24fcdbR62
[23:41] <davecheney> ^ don't wrap here, 'cos the caller is checking for a magic value


[00:04] <_MMA_> Can anyone in here tell me if the "Ubuntu One" folder in ones home dir is themeable? ie: Like the XDG user folders. Using something like "folder-ubuntuone"?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> rmcbride: are you sure? I just upgraded and still missing gnome client
[00:05] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 0.90.3+r64-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[00:08]  * BUGabundo wonders when there will be a karmic ppa. it has been promised since week 2!
[00:18] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: should now install ubuntuone-gnome-client and it will pull what is needed
[00:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:19]  * BUGabundo checks for updates yet again
[00:19] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: jblount updated the web documentation on that... it's POSSIBLE that the beta PPA index hasnt' picked up revno64 yet.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> oh ok
[00:19] <rmcbride> I'm building karmic packages btw, BUGabundo, I do not know the status of the ubuntuone-ppa package right now though
[00:20] <BUGabundo> I'm using 64 bits
[00:20] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:20] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: So am I :)
[00:20] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: I'm about to eat dinner but I'll check back a little later
[00:20] <BUGabundo> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main ubuntuone-client-gnome 0.90.3+r66-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty [101kB]
[00:21] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: ah you're on the nightly PPA
[00:21] <BUGabundo> won't catch me here by then
[00:21] <BUGabundo> gonna take a bath and hit the sach
[00:21] <BUGabundo> :))
[00:21] <BUGabundo> crazy guy I am
[00:22] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: looks like your sources.blah (don't remember the filename at the moment) is configured to pull for jaunty?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> rmcbride: yes. jaunty
[00:24] <BUGabundo> no one told me there was a karmic yet
[00:25] <rmcbride> BUGabundo: there's been karmic for a while. I didn't realize you weren't told. If you change the distro on your deb and deb src lines you should be fine (I'd uninstall the jaunty version first)
[00:25] <BUGabundo> doing so now
[01:25]  * BUGabundo $ do radom_pool (bath;sleep;breakfast;work);
[01:33] <VK7HSE> dobey: I'll do that ... and add any info to the bug report....
[01:35] <kklimonda> hmm.. I got a crash in nautilus that seems to be somehow related to u1 based on backtrace
[01:45] <VK7HSE> err.. there is no package called ubuntuone-client-gnome-dbg available! so a back trace is going to be a little difficult with out it!... also I have just installed the latest update for U1 client... see hot we go!
[01:48] <kklimonda> oh ffs
[01:48] <kklimonda> there are no dbgsym packages for u1 binaries..
[01:49] <VK7HSE> nup just check that out already!
[01:49] <VK7HSE> the bug I filed yesterday seems to have been removed from my launchpad profile! (weird!)
[01:51] <kklimonda> I have a stacktrace like this from nautilus: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28749866/Stacktrace.txt
[01:56] <VK7HSE> ahh here's why it's gone it a duplicate! see Bug #395710
[01:57] <kklimonda> ach, I get the same one
[02:55] <rmcbride> The nautilus segfault bug is fixed in the nightly builds and the fix should be posted to Beta tomorrow
[03:10] <kklimonda> thanks
[11:51] <facundobatista> Hi all
[12:20] <jblount> aquarius: http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/palm-pre-launches-with-telefonicao2-in-europe/
[12:20] <aquarius> jblount: indeed it does. No word on an actual release date, though, and I'm buying it contractless anyway :)
[12:21] <jblount> aquarius: :)
[13:00] <jblount> Does anyone have any more info on this: http://identi.ca/notice/6150769 ?
[13:15] <thisfred> jblount: I think there was a session at #gcds about telepathy and the collaborative desktop. Not much more info than that.
[13:18] <thisfred> jblount: from the identica buzz, I think it's at mock up stage still
[13:20] <thisfred> OT: I need a bit of advice on US ISPs: I'm looking at the comcast pages, and they make a distinction between single computer and multicomputer? How (if at all) would that be enforced? Does the cable modem check mac-addresses?
[13:20] <thisfred> Is  comcast just a bad option?
[13:22] <jdobrien> jblount: I do
[13:22] <Chipaca>  thisfred: maybe the multicomputer means they all get public ips?
[13:23] <jdobrien> jblount: he is Guillaume has been talking to us about screen sharing, he works for collabora
[13:23] <jdobrien> jblount: facundobatista put tested it out
[13:24] <thisfred> Chipaca: I don't think so: they seem to imply you can only hook up one computer, and need to buy an expensive wireless modem from them if you want to have more than one (up to 5)
[13:24] <facundobatista> jdobrien, me what?
[13:24] <jdobrien> facundobatista: jblount was asking about cassidy's screen sharing demo at GCDS
[13:24] <thisfred> I seem to remember the same thing happening in the Netherlands back in the dark ages, where the mac address was checked, although it was easy to hack around
[13:25] <thisfred> anyhow, I'll just go with single computer, and hope it works
[13:27] <thisfred> looks like verizon or comcast are my options. Any opinions?
[13:35] <jblount> thisfred: I'm reasonably happy with comcast, and I don't think they do any checking to see if you have multiple machines.
[13:35] <vds> Chipaca: I'm trying to sync files between my laptop and my netbook
[13:35] <thisfred> jblount: ok thanks :)
[13:35] <jblount> thisfred: That's probably more for people who aren't happy to plug in a wireless router or whatever.
[13:36] <Chipaca> vds: why would you want to do that? that's crazy
[13:36] <thisfred> right, I assumed it was more directed at non technical folks, but the wording was slightly scary ;)
[13:36] <Chipaca> vds: :-P
[13:36] <vds> :)
[13:36] <vds> Chipaca: I know but I have lots of time to waste :P
[13:37] <vds> Chipaca: I've moved some files on in the Ubuntu One folder on my laptop, installed the ubuntu one packages on the netbook
[13:37] <vds> after hours and hours of spinning logo
[13:37] <vds> on the netbook I have all the folders and all the files I have on the laptop
[13:38] <vds> but all the files are empty (0 bytes)
[13:38] <Chipaca> vds: cool. All of them?
[13:39] <vds> all of them
[13:39] <Chipaca> vds: what does the web ui say?
[13:39] <Chipaca> vds: are they 0 bytes on the web?
[13:40] <vds> Chipaca: nope
[13:40] <Chipaca> vds: can you show me the logs of the client?
[13:41] <Chipaca> vds: on the netbook
[13:41] <vds> Chipaca: sure
[13:47] <vds> Chipaca: it's 13Mb...
[13:48] <vds> you need all of it?
[13:48] <vds> :)
[13:48] <Chipaca> vds: bzipped?
[13:57] <vds> Chipaca: log on its way
[13:58] <Chipaca> vds: email, or ubuntuone?
[13:58] <Chipaca> :)
[13:58] <vds> Chipaca: let's try both :)
[13:59] <vds> Chipaca: does the desktop client sharing menu work again?
[13:59] <vds> or I should use the web ui?
[14:00] <Chipaca> vds: I dunno. Let me see...
[14:00] <statik> moshi moshi
[14:00] <vds> hi statik
[14:01] <crowfax> is it just me that appears to have lost the UbuntuOne executable since the last update?
[14:03] <artir> hey
[14:03] <artir> it's true
[14:03] <artir> i don't have my icon :(
[14:03] <crowfax> ok glad it's not just me then :-P
[14:03] <crowfax> you using 64bit?
[14:03]  * Chipaca updates
[14:04] <verterok> crowfax: do you have both ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-client-gnome installed?
[14:04] <verterok> artir: ^
[14:04] <crowfax> ubuntuone-client-gnome isn't installed
[14:04] <crowfax> how weird. new package?
[14:05] <crowfax> i saw aptitude remove a bunch of ubuntuone packages and install new ones the next day, but clearly ubuntuone-client-gnome wasn't included :-/
[14:06] <crowfax> well, that package fixed it
[14:07] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: hi Chipaca. do you have access to update the topic for this channel?
[14:07] <Chipaca> mattgriffin: yes
[14:07] <verterok> crowfax: yes, the packaging changed a bit
[14:08] <Chipaca> statik: could you point me wherever it was you pointed me at to read about getting op on this channel?
[14:08]  * jblount has a severe crush on https://edge.launchpad.net/~haibunku
[14:08] <crowfax> ah well, it's fixed now, thanks for the advice chaps
[14:08] <Chipaca> somewhere on freenode, it was
[14:08] <mattgriffin> Chipaca: cool. can you add your name as the Face Duty guy. also can you pastebin me instructions or send a link on how to do it?
[14:10] <Chipaca> vds: it seems the menu item for sharing is not there, if that is what you were asking about
[14:11] <vds> Chipaca: it is there, on the folder
[14:11] <statik> Chipaca, sure, i'll find the page now
[14:12] <vds> Chipaca: I've tried to share it from the desktop, the folder doesn't appear on the web ui yet
[14:12] <Chipaca> vds: can you try killing ubuntuone-syncdaemon, removing the log, and clicking connect in the applet?
[14:13] <vds> Chipaca: sure
[14:13] <Chipaca> vds: removal of the log shouldn't be necessary; it should rotate on its own
[14:14] <Chipaca> vds: if you want, see if it does :)
[14:15] <vds> Chipaca: too late! :)
[14:15] <Chipaca> ok :)
[14:15] <Chipaca> verterok: puede ser that it's only rotating the log on startup, and not when running?
[14:16] <vds> Chipaca: now it's writing A LOT of things
[14:17] <Chipaca> good
[14:17] <vds> should I wait few minutes before sending you the log again?
[14:17] <verterok> Chipaca: I can confirm that he logs are rotated on startup
[14:17] <Chipaca> verterok: yeah, I thought I'd seen that too :)
[14:17] <verterok> Chipaca: but should also be rotated on midnight too
[14:17] <Chipaca> vds: it had gotten into an impossible state
[14:17]  * verterok checks
[14:17] <Chipaca> vds: impossible states are states it shouldn't get into and can't get out of
[14:17]  * Chipaca is to blame for that
[14:18] <Chipaca> verterok: and if the machine is always suspended before midnight?
[14:18] <verterok> Chipaca: suspended like in "not on"?
[14:18] <verterok> Chipaca: I think python logging framework don't have support for rotating while suspended ;)
[14:19] <Chipaca> verterok: suspended like "syncdaemon won't start up when machine returns from suspend, but machine won't see midnight either"
[14:19] <verterok> Chipaca: we are using TimedRotatingFileHandler, so it should rotate the file th enext time a log msg is emitted
[14:20]  * verterok is afraid to give the wrong answer, as Chipaca is OP now
[14:20] <vds> Chipaca: I see a lot of OSError
[14:20] <Chipaca> vds: pastebin one of 'em plz
[14:24] <vds> Chipaca: http://pastebin.com/m1a24587b
[14:24] <Chipaca> facundobatista: ping?
[14:24] <Chipaca> vds: how much is a lot?
[14:25] <Chipaca> vds: also: are you editing or modifying these files while ubuntuone is sync'ing them?
[14:26] <vds> Chipaca: I'm not editing any files
[14:26] <vds> those have been there for days
[14:26] <facundobatista> Chipaca, pong?
[14:26] <vds> Chipaca: I have tens of OSErrors
[14:27] <Chipaca> vds: grep -c OSError ~/.cache/ubuntuone/etc/etc
[14:27] <Chipaca> facundobatista: vds is getting tens of OSErrors about missing partials, and I'm not sure if that is normal (I think not)
[14:28] <facundobatista> Chipaca, did you check the logs?
[14:28] <Chipaca> facundobatista: http://pastebin.com/m1a24587b
[14:28] <vds> Chipaca: 15671
[14:29] <Chipaca> vds: that's more than tens :)
[14:29] <vds> Chipaca: it's...many many tens
[14:29] <vds> :)
[14:32] <facundobatista> vds, did you do something weird with your files?
[14:33] <vds> facundobatista: weird like what? :)
[14:33] <facundobatista> vds, like throwing a lot of files and remove full directorys while syncing
[14:34] <facundobatista> vds, the WARNING you're seeing is not bad.. it tried to remove something but found that it was already removed
[14:34] <vds> facundobatista: nope
[14:34] <facundobatista> vds, are you sure you have only *one* syncdaemon in memory?
[14:35] <vds> facundobatista: let me check
[14:35] <vds> facundobatista: only one
[14:35] <facundobatista> vds, is the daemon idle now?
[14:36] <vds> facundobatista: running
[14:37] <facundobatista> doing what?
[14:38] <vds> facundobatista: how do I know?
[14:39] <vds> facundobatista: it is writing a lot of stuff on the logs
[14:40] <facundobatista> vds, did you throw a lot of files at once?
[14:40] <vds> facundobatista: I'm trying to sync the netbook with the laptop, and the laptop have  a lot of files in the Ubuntu One folder
[14:43] <facundobatista> vds, so you had your laptop with a zillion files, with U1 in IDLE, and run for first time U1 in your netbook?
[14:44] <vds> facundobatista: not zillions but quite a few but yes that's what happend
[14:47] <Chipaca> facundobatista: ~2.7k files
[14:47] <Chipaca> vds: right?
[14:47] <Chipaca> vds: find ~/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files/ -type f | wc -l
[14:48] <vds> Chipaca facundobatista 4719
[14:48] <Chipaca> vds: tks
[14:50] <facundobatista> vds, and while SD was running in your netbook, did you create/delete/modified the files?
[14:50] <vds> facundobatista: no
[14:50] <vds> facundobatista: ah wait I deleted a folder, with one file in it
[14:51] <maettu> I made a softlink of a folder I want to backup/share into Ubuntu One/My Files. The link is present on my computer but not in the web interface. How to add folders without copying them "physically" into Ubuntu One?
[14:51] <facundobatista> maettu, we don't support symlinks yet
[14:51] <Chipaca> maettu: you can move them, and symlink them?
[14:51] <facundobatista> vds, I would need the full logs to see what happened
[14:51] <Chipaca> maettu: i.e. backwards from what you're doing
[14:52] <Chipaca> maettu: support for symlinks is in the roadmap, but it's not going to be there for a while
[14:53] <vds> facundobatista: ok
[14:53] <vds> I stop the SD then?
[14:53] <maettu> hey, tank you for your answers
[14:54] <maettu> symlinks are crucial, I would like to say :-)
[14:54] <Chipaca> maettu: thank you for helping us make Ubuntu One be awesome! :)
[14:54] <Chipaca> maettu: actually, no, they're not
[14:54] <Chipaca> maettu: but let me explain
[14:54] <maettu> yes, please :-)
[14:55] <Chipaca> maettu: when we support symlinks, we'll do it by copying *the actual symlink*
[14:55] <Chipaca>  maettu: i.e. it will appear as a symlink when you synchronize it to another computer
[14:55] <facundobatista> vds, just the logs so far
[14:55] <Chipaca> maettu: *however*, we'll also support synchronizing arbitrary folders
[14:56] <Chipaca> maettu: which is for what people want us to follow symlinks when synchronizing, right?
[14:57] <Chipaca> maettu: so in that sense, I think what you mean is that the ability to synchronize arbitrary folders is crucial
[14:57] <Chipaca> maettu: and I agree with you there :)
[14:57] <vds> facundobatista: sent
[14:57] <maettu> Chipaca: absolutely. Set a symlink of a folder you need, then it's synchronized and just remove the links as soon as you don't neet to sync any more
[14:58] <dobey> folder sync is hard
[14:58] <maettu> Chipaca: when doing it the other way round, you have to remove the link into Ubuntu One and the move the folder
[14:58] <Brownout> is there any way to add the ppa manually for apt? I don't use synaptic and browser integration for package management.
[14:58] <Chipaca> Brownout: sure
[14:59] <Chipaca> Brownout: there are instructions linked off of the ppa page
[14:59] <Chipaca> Brownout: give me a second and I'll point you at it :)
[14:59] <Brownout> thanks
[14:59] <dobey> Brownout: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/beta
[14:59] <Chipaca> Brownout: what dobey says :)
[14:59]  * jblount wonders about adding a advanced installation instructions page
[14:59] <dobey> Brownout: but if the GPG key or anything changes, you'll have to manually update your settings
[15:00] <Brownout> yup
[15:00] <dobey> jblount: i don't see the point
[15:00] <jblount> dobey: Yeah, I guess all anyone needs is the ppa, they can get the package name from the apt link easy enough...
[15:00] <aquarius> maettu: the symlink stuff becomes semi-confusing when you add a second computer to the mix, though
[15:01] <dobey> jblount: they don't even need that any more, unless they want to keep up to date with trunk
[15:01] <dobey> aquarius: or when you add the web. and especially so if second computer is a system that doesn't support symlinks.
[15:03] <maettu> aquarium: o.k., admitted. Syncing multiple machines is always semi-confusing, at least ;-)
[15:03] <maurizio_> Hi
[15:03] <statik> looks like it's 3 minutes past meeting time
[15:03] <statik> MEETING BEGINS
[15:03] <aquarius> me
[15:03] <statik> if you're here for the (short) developer meeting, please say me
[15:03] <statik> me
[15:04] <maurizio_> Hi have just received the invitation for ubuntuone. I've ubuntu 8.04, does exist a software to manage this service ?
[15:04] <statik> aquarius, will you start things off?
[15:04] <CardinalFang> me
[15:04] <dobey> me
[15:04] <jblount> me
[15:04] <teknico> me
[15:04] <statik> maurizio_, we currently only support 9.04
[15:04] <aquarius> DONE: publically outed the Firefox bookmark sync extension code (lp:bindwood); wrote branch to start D-Bus port advertiser for desktop Couch; wrote branch to use desktop Couch for bookmarks in bindwood if it exists; got completely hacked off with Launchpad link-a-branch UI and filed a detailed bug explaining what it should be like
[15:04] <aquarius> TODO: write OSCON presentation; show viewers around my house; get excited that they might buy it; receive feedback that they don't want to make an offer; cry
[15:04] <aquarius> BLOCKED: still using the horror of lsof to find CouchDB port until the print-the-port logfile patch goes in
[15:04] <aquarius> statik: you're next
[15:04] <statik> DONE: 4 code reviews, helped pfibiger OOPS, merged wsgi-oops fix. Sorted plan for stable update of sourcedeps. Planning session with joshuahoover and mattgriffin. Started work on a script to update project management spreadsheet by querying launchpad bugs API.
[15:04] <statik> TODO: resume work on packaging spawning, figure out whether south could be made to work with storm, finish bug status script, lots of phone calls.
[15:04] <statik> BLCK: None.
[15:04] <statik> CardinalFang, your turn
[15:04] <maurizio_> statik is it possible to use it with filezilla?
[15:05] <dobey> maurizio_: no, we don't have ftp/dav support yet
[15:05] <statik> maurizio_, not currently although we plan to add WebDAV support at some point
[15:05] <maurizio_> dobey ok! So the only solution for the moment is to upgrade to ubuntu 9.04?
[15:05] <CardinalFang> DONE: more fiddling with SSL and asyncore.  Not done at all.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> TODO: get server end without keys to work.  I auth other end another way.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: yes!  ssl is hard.
[15:06] <vds> me
[15:06] <statik> maurizio_, you can use the web UI to upload/download files one at a time
[15:06] <statik> i think dobey is after CardinalFang
[15:06] <maurizio_> statik ok! thank you
[15:06] <dobey> maurizio_: or use the web ui, or back-port the dependencies and packages to 8.04
[15:07] <dobey> DONE: Small package fixes for ubuntuone-client, Fixed #395710, Made storage-protocol check more strict,
[15:07] <dobey> TODO: Finish removing --signup option
[15:07] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:07] <dobey> jblount: you are up
[15:07] <jblount> DONE: Some bug triage, lots of email triage,
[15:07] <jblount> TODO: Land a branch that fixes mkdir on /files/new/, chat with matt and jdo about upgrades
[15:07] <jblount> BLOCKED: Could use some help triaging the /files/new bugs, as it is I'm just attacking them starting with low hanging fruit, and I think I'm treading water a bit too much.
[15:07] <jblount> teknico: your turn :D
[15:07] <teknico> DONE: work on making the Django test client work with our code
[15:07] <teknico> TODO: completing the tests for the web ui interface for resetting contact devices
[15:07] <teknico> BLOCKED: nothing
[15:07] <teknico> NEXT: vds
[15:07] <maurizio_> dobey how can I do the backport?
[15:07] <vds> DONE: discussed with markgsaye and thisfred about snapshooting a contact db, read-only mode for mobiles, landed phone reg ui branch, started  a new branch for read-only mode sync,keeping busy Chipaca and facundobatista with some problem with file sync
[15:07] <vds> TODO: coding read-only mode sync branch, continue to bother facundobatista and Chipaca
[15:07] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:08] <statik> urbanape, around?
[15:08] <urbanape> me
[15:08] <dobey> maurizio_: you need to take the packages we require which ar packaged for 9.04, and rebuild them for 8.04, fixing any issues along the way
[15:09] <statik> urbanape, I think you're up
[15:09] <urbanape> DONE: Made great progress on FF extension with aquarius, tracked down FF GUID silliness
[15:09] <urbanape> TODO: Get onItemRemoved handlers working properly, get our own guids working
[15:09] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:09] <statik> congrats on the FF stuff guys, it's looking cool
[15:10] <urbanape> Might have to run out to the Apple Store to get them to downgrade my EFI Firmware. Having horrible disk stalling.
[15:10] <statik> teknico, vds: please put on your TODO figuring out an ETA for funambol server deployments in production and what the next steps are
[15:10] <statik> jblount, want to have a call right after this?
[15:10] <teknico> jblount, what's funny? :-)
[15:11] <statik> CardinalFang, do you need an SSL expert? I can help find one for you
[15:11] <vds> markgsaye_: ^^
[15:11] <jblount> statik: have a call then, can we postpone till 11-ish?
[15:11] <jblount> s/then/now
[15:11] <statik> thanks for all the notes guys, awesome work
[15:11] <statik> MEETING ENDS
[15:11] <vds> statik: ok
[15:11] <jblount> teknico: ?
[15:11] <maurizio_> dobey I don't think to have enough skills to do this operation.
[15:11] <teknico> jblount, [16:07:38] <jblount> teknico: your turn :D
[15:12] <jblount> teknico: I like smiling with my whole face :D!
[15:12] <statik> jblount: sure, ping me whenever you are ready
[15:12] <teknico> jblount, great, careful about the flies though ;-)
[15:13] <dobey> maurizio_: i don't know why you are still on 8.04, but if there are no seriously valid reasons for it, i'd suggest upgrading to 9.04
[15:13] <maurizio_> dobey ok
[15:13] <maettu> is there an aggregation of ubuntu one - "cool uses" around?
[15:14] <maurizio_> dobey I thought that the 8.04 version would have been the most stable because it has long term support
[15:14] <Chipaca> maurizio_: yes, that is correct
[15:14] <Chipaca> maurizio_: however, ubuntu one is not stable
[15:14] <dobey> maurizio_: support isn't a measure of stability
[15:14] <statik> maettu, i don't think so but we should totally make one. probably under here somewhere: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne
[15:15] <maurizio_> dobey, anyway the LTS seems to be a good way to gain the stability, isn't it?
[15:15] <statik> maurizio_, one of the main ways that LTS releases are kept stable is by not introducing new features and software into them
[15:16] <dobey> maurizio_: what LTS means is that it gets updates for a longer period of time than non-LTS distros. you can still install unstable software on it if you want, but that tends to reduce stability :)
[15:17] <CardinalFang> statik, I probably do need an expert.  I can read the error message that py + libssl gives me, and I understand it.  I just don't believe what it says.  :)
[15:17] <CardinalFang> TODO: Oh, and I'm on-call reviewer today.
[15:18] <dobey> maurizio_: it's also very hard to develop software against older versions, since it may lack certain bug fixes or features we need
[15:19] <maurizio_> Ok, thank you for the explanation, now it's surely more clear. I'm good with the software the 8.04 include, I don't need more, just the software to manage the ubuntuone service :) I will use it with the ui from the browser until ftp support or other will be activated. Anyway thank you thousand
[15:21] <statik> dobey: do you remember if someone sent in a patch before and we were waiting on a signature for the contributor agreement?
[15:25] <statik> aquarius, i was looking at chads couchdb pairing branch last night and it looks like there is a separate project there that needs to be split out and packaged. anything I can do to help with that?
[15:27] <aquarius> statik: I'm not sure on that front; I can't decide whether I think that installing desktop Couch should also install the pairing directly, or whether you might want one without the other
[15:27] <aquarius> statik: I am open to discussion on this point :)
[15:28] <statik> aquarius: how about we make a desktopcouch project with one sourcepackage, and if we want that to compile into two or more binary packages thats ok?
[15:28] <aquarius> statik: could do (certainly it should be one source package), but...if you always want two packages together, why make them two packages?
[15:28] <dobey> statik: sianis made a patch to do something with localization, and accepted the agreement i think, but i don't know if he made a branch
[15:30] <statik> aquarius: right, we could start out with one package. usually optional stuff (like stuff only a developer would use, or documentation) is split out into separate packages
[15:30] <statik> dobey: ah right, sianis. I need to update the contributors team
[15:32] <aquarius> statik: yeah, so I think just one package. I don't, I confess it, really understand the packaging stuff :(; kenvandine did it
[15:33] <statik> aquarius: oh, is there a package already?
[15:33] <aquarius> statik: sort of. packages/desktopcouch
[15:34] <statik> ok, i just saw a setup.py in there. so I'd like to move that stuff out to a separate launchpad project, get tarball releases being made, and then add an ubuntu package on top of the tarball releases
[15:35] <aquarius> statik: that sounds like a great idea. I don't know how to do any of that, though, so anything you can do (and sk00l me at the same time) would be much appreciated
[15:37] <statik> aquarius: cool! how about I start hacking on it, and ask you to review (and merge) the branches, and we can have lots of discussion in the middle
[15:37] <statik> aquarius: the project name should be desktopcouch in launchpad, yeah?
[15:40] <aquarius> statik: yes and yes, definitely, that'd be excellent
[15:40] <aquarius> statik: I'd really like the discussion, so I know what it is you've done so I don't have to look like a wimp and ask for help again next time ;)
[15:48] <VK7HSE> Cool! just added nightlies ppa to my list \o/  great work guys/gals!
[15:54] <gnomefreak> did python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol replace ubuntuone-storage-protocol in the nightlys
[15:55] <Chipaca> gnomefreak: yep
[15:55] <gnomefreak> Chipaca: thanks
[15:56] <Chipaca> although I seem to have both, and both at the same version :)
[15:56] <Chipaca> rmcbride: what's the Word re that?
[15:57] <dobey> it replaced it everywhere
[15:57] <dobey> Chipaca: that's weird
[15:58] <Chipaca> ubuntuone-storage-protocol is at 0.90.3+r47-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty and python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol is at 0.90.3+r47-0ubuntu1~ppa2~jaunty
[15:59] <dobey> weird
[16:01] <gnomefreak> i was replaced in Karmic nightlies
[16:01] <gnomefreak> when installing ubuntuone-client
[16:01] <rmcbride> Chipaca: it should have removed the old package for you. it did here...
[16:01] <gnomefreak> it was held back
[16:01] <Chipaca> yes, I didn't mean I had both *installed*
[16:02] <Chipaca> I mean apt-cache show shows both
[16:02] <dobey> Chipaca: you implied it :)
[16:02] <dobey> hrmm
[16:02] <Chipaca> dobey: the implication was not intended, my apologies
[16:05] <dobey> Chipaca: perhaps your apt cache is out of date then? :)
[16:05] <Chipaca> dobey: I don't think that's possible, but what do I know :)
[16:06] <dobey> oh, no you have the nightlies ppa, and the ppa publishing didn't remove the old version
[16:06] <dobey> it has the latest 2 versions in the ppa
[16:06] <dobey> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/
[16:07] <Chipaca> there you go :)
[16:09] <rmcbride> Wow, the rename appears to have confused the PPA archive, I guess since the sourcepackage didn't change?
[16:10] <rmcbride> Summary/latest version still only shows most current
[16:10] <VK7HSE> I can con firm that version 0.90.3+r66 solves the nautilus segmentation fault \o/ \o/
[16:11] <rmcbride> Awesome VK7HSE!
[16:11] <VK7HSE> ;)
[16:12] <VK7HSE> I've also added a question for the UbuntuOne project  ... #76312
[16:15] <VK7HSE> must get some sleep! cya
[16:30] <dobey> rmcbride: btw, those 2 branches are landed now
[16:41] <natewiebe13> anyone know how to add a pc?
[16:42] <natewiebe13> to a ubuntuone account?
[16:43] <facundobatista> vds, ping
[16:43] <natewiebe13> okay.. got it.. it actually worked this time
[16:44] <vds> facundobatista: pong
[16:44] <facundobatista> vds, I checked the log
[16:44] <facundobatista> vds, you didn't have a clean environment in your laptop
[16:44] <vds> facundobatista: ok
[16:44] <facundobatista> sorry, netbook
[16:44] <vds> facundobatista: how do I proceed?
[16:44] <facundobatista> (bah, the destination)
[16:45] <vds> ah netbook
[16:45] <vds> yes the netbook
[16:45] <facundobatista> you had metadata, with files in "SERVER" status
[16:45] <vds> facundobatista: what do I do to clean up the netbook?
[16:47] <facundobatista> vds, it should converge to "sync", but so far in the logs it was finding a lot of files that were in "SERVER" status, but no .partial of that file
[16:47] <facundobatista> vds, and local_rescan is finding them, so you *have* file there from before
[16:49] <vds> facundobatista: so, should I wait till the netbook is synced or do something?
[16:49] <facundobatista> vds, I would wait
[16:50] <Boardstupid> Hi, sorry to interupt but I wonder if anyone can tell me if ubuntuone works with kde?
[16:51] <vds> facundobatista: consider that I've been waiting for many many hours now
[16:51] <Boardstupid> I tried looking for the ubuntuone-client-gnome with adept and synaptic but nothing appears
[16:51] <Boardstupid> Oh, and I've already added the PPa so that's not the issue
[16:52] <facundobatista> vds, consider that you had a very very mess in your files
[16:52] <vds> facundobatista: ok
[16:52] <vds> facundobatista: I'll wait, thanks! :)
[16:55] <stupots> Hi all.  Have just followed instructions to sign up, the package is installed but nothing happens when I start the applet.  Any ideas?
[17:01] <yosttheskanker> Is ubuntuone only for Jaunty users?
[17:01] <facundobatista> vds, you're in a particular bad case where fixing the differences to go towards sync makes it scan the same dir a lot of times
[17:02] <facundobatista> vds, you can stop the client and remove some dirs, if you want, to go faster
[17:02] <verterok> yosttheskanker: Jaunty and Karmic
[17:03] <yosttheskanker> Thanks, seems like it's time to upgrade my eeepc then
[17:03] <vds> facundobatista: if I have to wait for days, I rather get rid of all the file and sync again. right?
[17:03] <facundobatista> vds, yes
[17:03] <verterok> yosttheskanker: or any other linux distribution with the required dependencies installed :)
[17:04] <vds> facundobatista: so, what do I need to delete? would it be enough to delete stuff from the netbook or there is some server-side operation needed?
[17:04] <facundobatista> vds, no, just from the netbook
[17:04] <yosttheskanker> where can I find information about the required dependencies, I tried an install on intrepid with a nice fail.
[17:05] <vds> facundobatista: ok, what do I need to delete?
[17:06] <facundobatista> vds, I don't know what you had there... you say you were clean, but you're not
[17:06] <facundobatista> vds, what about the EBooks directory?
[17:07] <vds> facundobatista: what?
[17:07] <vds> I mean what's the problem with that folder
[17:07] <vds> ?
[17:08] <facundobatista> vds, you have .partial files there, right?
[17:09] <vds> facundobatista: no
[17:09] <facundobatista> vds, in any part of the subtree?
[17:09] <facundobatista> vds, so it seems that Local Rescan already fixed that part
[17:09] <facundobatista> vds, anyway... you're in a performance corner case... I opened a bug because that: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/396628
[17:10]  * jblount stabs firefox 3.5
[17:11] <jblount> Has anyone seen the "OMG, self-signed cert! You are going to die" msg in firefox 3.5? I don't have a button to accept the certificate.
[17:11] <vds> facundobatista: ok, so I'll leave it there till tomorrow, then we'll see what's the status, how does it sound?
[17:13] <facundobatista> vds, for me it's ok
[17:13] <vds> facundobatista: cool
[17:17] <fkramer2> hey, I just got an invite for the beta, and once I added the PPA and went to the program, nothing happened... any ideas? I tried reinstalling via synaptic and now it isn't even in the menu under "internet" anymore
[17:17] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: 1 sec
[17:17] <fkramer2> thanks
[17:17] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: what does `dpkg -l '*ubuntuone*'` print out?
[17:17] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: (without the backquotes)
[17:18] <fkramer2> it just goes to a
[17:18] <fkramer2> >
[17:18] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: try another '
[17:18] <fkramer2> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[17:18] <fkramer2> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[17:18] <fkramer2> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[17:18] <fkramer2> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[17:18] <fkramer2> +++-[17:18] <fkramer2> un  nautilus-ubunt <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> ii  python-ubuntuo 0.90.3+r64-0ub Ubuntu One client Python libraries
[17:19] <fkramer2> ii  python-ubuntuo 0.90.3+r47-0ub Python library for Ubuntu One file storage a
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  python2.5-ubun <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  python2.5-ubun <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  python2.6-ubun <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  python2.6-ubun <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> ii  ubuntuone-clie 0.90.3+r64-0ub Ubuntu One client
[17:19] <fkramer2> rc  ubuntuone-clie 0.90.3+r64-0ub Ubuntu One client GNOME integration
[17:19] <facundobatista> omg
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  ubuntuone-oaut <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  ubuntuone-ppa  <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> ii  ubuntuone-ppa- 2009.05.14-0ub GPG keys and sources for the Ubuntu One pack
[17:19] <fkramer2> pn  ubuntuone-stor <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <fkramer2> un  ubuntuone-stor <none>         (no description available)
[17:19] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: try installing ubuntuone-client-gnome
[17:20] <fkramer2> yeah, for some reason when I looked at synaptic before only ubuntuone-client was there
[17:20] <fkramer2> and not ubuntuone-client-gnome
[17:20] <fkramer2> hold on a sec
[17:20]  * Chipaca_ holds
[17:21] <stupots> My problem is the package is installed ok but nothing happens when I start the applet.  Anyone?
[17:21] <fkramer2> ok, it's installed, but when I click on the app nothing comes up in firefox
[17:21] <fkramer2> hey, just like that!
[17:22] <fkramer2> this was actually my original problem
[17:23] <stupots> My dpkg output is *exactly* the same as yours fkramer2
[17:24] <fkramer2> did you check to see if ubuntuone-client-gnome was installed?
[17:24] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: ok, now do «ps fx | grep ubuntu[o]ne»
[17:24] <stupots> Nada
[17:24] <fkramer2>  5113 ?        Sl     0:05 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet --signup
[17:25] <fkramer2> is what it returns
[17:26] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: and you're using firefox 3?
[17:26] <natewiebe13> if you copy a file to the shared folder why doesnt it sync properly?
[17:26] <fkramer2> yeah, I'm using firefox 3
[17:26] <stupots> I'm using 3.0.11
[17:26] <natewiebe13> it shows up in the web file browser but shows as being 0 bytes
[17:27] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: right now, the files first show up at 0 bytes, and then, once they're all created at 0 bytes, the uploads begin
[17:27] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: ... it seemed reasonable at the time
[17:28] <Chipaca_> fkramer2: can you kill that process and run the same thing from the commandline?
[17:28] <fkramer2> sure
[17:28] <natewiebe13> Chipaca: there is only one file (a picture)
[17:28] <natewiebe13> Chipaca; the client is at idle
[17:29] <fkramer2> ok, now I ran "ps fx | grep ubuntu[o]ne" and it didn't return anything
[17:29] <fkramer2> was that what you wanted me to run?
[17:30] <fkramer2> or did you want me to run ubuntuone-client-applet
[17:30] <stupots> When I do that Chipaca, it returns me back to a prompt within a second or so - nothing else happens - no process left running afterwards either
[17:31] <natewiebe13> Chipaca_: got it, had to restart the client
[17:31] <Chipaca_> fkramer2:  /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet --signup
[17:31] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: could you report a bug for that? including then doing the apport thing
[17:31] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: thanks!
[17:31] <Chipaca_> stupots: no page waiting in firefox?
[17:32] <fkramer2> ok, that got it now
[17:32] <fkramer2> thanks!
[17:32] <natewiebe13> Chipaca_: apport thing?
[17:33] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: 1 sec, I've got it somewhere
[17:34] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: apport-collect -p ubuntuone-client <the bug number launchpad gives you>
[17:34] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: that will push several interesting logs at us
[17:34] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: if you have confidential information in your file *names*, don't do it
[17:35] <stupots> Ah, ok, when I run it as "/usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet --signup" from a shell it fires up ok.  Just doesn't work from the application shortcut
[17:35] <Chipaca_> stupots: ah
[17:35] <Chipaca_> stupots: ok, disregard PM then
[17:36] <stupots> Thanks
[17:36] <Chipaca_> dobey: I believe you're already investigating the "applet does not work for signup from menu", right?
[17:36] <Chipaca_> dobey: if not, I'll have twentythree different people file bugs at you :-D
[17:40]  * CardinalFang hears the siren call of Beefy King.  "Lunch time!  Afk."
[17:41] <natewiebe13> Chipaca_: there
[17:42] <natewiebe13> Chipaca_: bug # 396640
[17:42] <natewiebe13> Chipaca_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/396640
[17:44] <Chipaca_> natewiebe13: thanks
[17:45] <Chipaca_> coffee time, bbiab :)
[17:46] <jblount>  /me is jealous of CardinalFang, but enjoys his PB&J
[17:48] <Chipaca_> jblount: you're enjoying CardinalFang's PB&J?
[17:49] <pfibiger> jblount: how's your branch going? if we're going to roll out today, i'd like to do it early afternoon
[17:49]  * Chipaca_ wants in on the 'ubuntu one for physical objects' beta too
[17:50] <jblount> pfibiger: pqm should be chomping on it, one second
[17:51] <jblount> pfibiger: Yeah, pqm has it in it's grasp, should be done soonish.
[18:10] <dobey> Chipaca: as soon as we get a quantum teleporter built, we'll be able to sync physical objects to the server too! we can even store them in couchdb!
[18:12] <dobey> jblount: ping
[18:13] <dobey> jblount: perhaps we should add more info on the install page about subscriptions, since the redirection seems to be causing some confusion
[18:13] <Chipaca> dobey: apt-get install python-quantum-teleporter says it depends on in-your-dreams and that they are uninstallable
[18:14] <dobey> Chipaca: nah, quantum teleporters exist. they just aren't affordable for consumers :)
[18:16] <dobey> Chipaca: are you working on the files-apparently-not-syncing bug?
[18:16] <jblount> dobey: I'm not following
[18:18] <dobey> jblount: if you don't have a subscription, and you start the client on the desktop, the web site redirects to /plans/
[18:18] <jblount> dobey: aha.
[18:21] <jblount> Maybe we can use the rerrer and make a /plans/ that makes what is happening more clear.
[18:22] <dobey> jblount: yeah. i don't remember if we're preserving that correctly and redirecting back to the oauth page after subscribing, but we should do that as well
[18:23] <dobey> man, browser configuration on linux must be extremely confusing
[18:24] <jblount> dobey: I'll write up a bug / feature thingie that we can point all the bug reports at, should be able to get something together for rollout on Thursday
[18:24] <dobey> jblount: you can probably just re-use the bug i just re-assigned to you :)
[18:24] <jblount> dobey: Will do
[18:28] <Chipaca> dobey: could you reply to that bug explaining the issue?
[18:28] <Chipaca> ah, you did
[18:28] <Chipaca> dobey: thanks!
[18:29] <dobey> heh
[18:29] <dobey> :)
[18:29] <vryc> hello
[18:29] <dobey> hi
[18:30] <vryc> can I ask you a question please
[18:30] <dobey> you don't need to ask to ask :)
[18:30] <dobey> just ask
[18:31] <vryc> I have made a translation of Ubuntu One into Czech language and I am wondering if it is possible to send it to the developers directly or I have to go through the translation group
[18:31] <vryc> I have it ready in the .po file
[18:32] <jblount> dobey: What does that person need to do at this point? subscirbe to a plan, kill the client and restart?
[18:32] <dobey> vryc: you should manage it through the launchpad translations interface
[18:32] <dobey> jblount: yes, unless we do the right thing on the site and redirect back to the original url, which should call the local web server
[18:33] <jblount> dobey: Sure, I was meaning today, not after we fix the bug :)
[18:33] <vryc> dobey: well I would love to, but it keeps redirecting me to the translators group
[18:33] <dobey> jblount: well i don't recall what the exact behavior is. it's been doing this since march :)
[18:36] <dobey> vryc: i don't know how it works exactly. i guess you need to talk to the translators group then. we just pull the po files from launchpad translations
[18:36] <dobey> which reminds me that i need to upload a new pot file soon
[18:37] <jblount> dpm: ^^ Can you help out here?
[18:38]  * jblount smacks his head when he realizes how late it is in Berlin
[18:38] <vryc> ok, than you, it just drives me crazy :) it took me 15 min to translate and 3 hours to look for someone to accept the file :-S I guess I will just flush it down the toilet
[18:39] <CardinalFang> statik, tree is finished.  tool is yours.
[18:39] <jblount> vryc: Instead of the toilet, feel free to send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I can try to chase someone down for you :)
[18:40] <dobey> jblount: i think dpm is in gran canaria
[18:41] <jblount> dobey: Oh, right on. Still probably out of touch right now, hopefully everyone is out drinking or having fun
[18:42] <dobey> yeah
[18:43] <vryc> jblount, Thank you I will mail it to you
[18:45] <jblount> vryc: No problem, thanks for your help!
[18:49] <statik> thanks CardinalFang
[18:50] <Chipaca> can anybody confirm that the client is started as root on install?
[18:50] <dobey> Chipaca: how do you mean?
[18:50] <dobey> Chipaca: the packages do not run the client, so no, it wouldn't be automatically run as root
[18:50] <Chipaca> dobey: we have had several users report bugs where the cause was that ~/Ubuntu\ One was owned by root
[18:51] <Chipaca> dobey: and now Wise Ferret on the forums confirms this
[18:51] <Chipaca> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1206730
[18:51] <jblount> Chipaca: Doesn't that say that it's created by his user, not root?
[18:51] <Chipaca> rmcbride: I have the impression you have a host of virginal ubuntu installs hanging around. Could you try for this issue?
[18:51] <Chipaca> jblount: after he nuked it and restarted, it got created ok
[18:52] <rmcbride> Chipaca: looking at backscroll
[18:52] <Chipaca> jblount: the installation ended with a folder owned by root
[18:52] <dobey> Chipaca: perhaps people are root inside a terminal and starting it from there immediately after installing?
[18:52] <Chipaca> I'll ask
[18:52] <Chipaca> that would be ... less than smart
[18:54] <rmcbride> Chipaca: I can't think of anything else it would be. The client always creates teh Ubuntu One folder under the user account... can't duplicate the "owned by root" scenario described
[18:56] <Chipaca> rmcbride: figures
[18:56] <dobey> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=69053 <- not me :(
[18:57] <Chipaca> I suspect Mr. dobey has the truth of the matter
[18:57] <Chipaca> dobey: you sure? :)
[18:57] <dobey> the only way it could be owned by root is if they're running as root, or their dbus config is screwed up and the syncdaemon is getting started as root by dbus
[18:58] <dobey> which would be super odd
[18:58] <dobey> Chipaca: i'm not french, and i hate php/web "programming" :)
[18:58] <Chipaca> dobey: are you *sure*? :-P
[18:58] <dobey> also, i am definitely not 38
[18:58] <Chipaca> dobey: don't you sometimes wake up feeling dirty?
[18:58] <dobey> jcastro: ping
[18:59] <dobey> although he's probably drinking in las palmas right now too
[18:59] <leoquant> hi, whats the correct PPA for ubuntone? : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/beta?
[18:59] <Chipaca> leoquant: that's a good one, yes
[19:00] <leoquant> I ask because the update stay's untouched/grey in the update manager
[19:01] <jblount> leoquant: The packages were split to make it nicer for other projects, if you install ubuntuone-client-gnome it should sort things for you.
[19:01] <Chipaca> leoquant: the fix for that should be ready soon
[19:01] <jblount> dobey: ^^ What is the science for this?
[19:02] <Chipaca> leoquant: otherwise, yeah, install ubuntuone-client-gnome and be happy :)
[19:03] <dobey> i don't know why the update-manager thing is broken
[19:03] <leoquant> ok thx
[19:03] <dobey> best i can guess is that update-manager isn't as smart as it should be
[19:03] <jblount> heh
[19:03] <statik> i think upgrade doesn't install new packages
[19:03] <statik> only dist-upgrade does
[19:04] <statik> so maybe the packages are held because update-manager doesn't want to install the new ones
[19:04] <dobey> statik: if that were the case, it would pop up the "You need a partial upgrade" thing
[19:04] <statik> ah, true
[19:04] <dobey> statik: but upgrade does pull new packages if needed.
[19:04] <jblount> dobey: I was more meaning, should we let users know how to upgrade through this change?
[19:04] <dobey> jblount: it should "just work"
[19:04] <dobey> jblount: if it doesn't, it's a bug :)
[19:04] <jblount> dobey: I love your quote marks :)
[19:04] <statik> jblount: i asked rmcbride to add a dependency to pull in the gnome client also so existing users get a smooth upgrade
[19:05] <jblount> statik: Neat
[19:05] <statik> for a couple of weeks anyway, then we could drop it again
[19:06] <statik> if I do 'cat licenseheader.txt >> foo.py', it is appended to the end of the file. is there a trick for inserting a file at the beginning of another file?
[19:06] <jblount> vryc: Just got your mail, thanks again!
[19:06] <dobey> a circular dep might break update-manager
[19:07] <vryc> jblount, I thank you. Hope I can help soon with something else.
[19:08] <CardinalFang> statik, no.  $ cat foo.py >> licenseholder.txt-copy; mv ...
[19:10] <dobey> statik: use emacs and create a keybinding for "insert license header text" :)
[19:16] <Chipaca> statik: perl -0777 -pi~ -we 'if (defined $header) {s/^/$header/} else {our $header=$_}' header onefile twofile threefile
[19:17] <sid_> Is there no way to just add folders to the cloud by adding softlinks into the default ubuntu one folder?
[19:17] <sid_> Like in DropBox
[19:18] <Chipaca> statik: that leaves a spurious backup header~ file
[19:18] <Chipaca> statik: you can avoid that and all backups by dropping the ~ from -pi~
[19:18] <Chipaca> sid_: nope
[19:18] <statik> thanks
[19:18] <sid_> Chipaca: Can we expect that feature soon
[19:18] <sid_> ?
[19:19] <Chipaca> sid_: give me a second
[19:19] <Xpistos|work> So, where can I go to get some good info on UbuntuOne and what I am going to do with it?
[19:19] <Chipaca> sid_: in short: symlinks are going to be supported as symlinks, not as things to be followed; there also will be support for syncing arbitrary folders
[19:20] <sid_> Cool... Also an exclusion list for filtering may be a good idea
[19:20] <Chipaca> sid_: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/598
[19:20] <Chipaca> sid_: filtering is part of what we've called "policy", and that is for later too
[19:21] <Chipaca> sid_: policy is things like priorities in up/downloads, limits, conditionals, etc
[19:21] <sid_> Thats cool...Thanks
[19:22] <Chipaca> sid_: in the meanwhile, you might try doing things backwards, i.e. moving things into the ubuntu one tree and symlinking back to them
[19:23] <Chipaca> sid_: if space is a problem for that to work, you can do
[19:23] <jblount> Xpistos|work: I really like reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne, it has a ton of great info.
[19:23] <Chipaca> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/76321
[19:23] <Chipaca> that
[19:23] <jblount> Xpistos|work: As far as what you will do with it, I don't know if we have a way to tell the future yet :)
[19:24] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: in my experience, you're going to try editing things in there, and the syncdaemon will go all crazy, and create conflict files about it, and you'll get upset. But we're fixing that issue already :)
[19:24] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: meanwhile, don't use vi to edit things inside the ubuntu one tree
[19:24] <Chipaca> the stuff it does with .swp files really drives the current syncdaemon crazy :-/
[19:25] <Chipaca> vim, that is
[19:25] <Xpistos|work> jblount: Thanks for that link and why can't we tell the future? ;-)
[19:25] <Xpistos|work> Chipaca: Thank you much.
[19:25] <sid_> Chipaca: yeah but thats not user friendly.... Also will there be a facility to get back old files... Just in case we deleted them by mistake? That can be good too )
[19:25] <jblount> Xpistos|work: Hmm. I'm not sure, but I think maybe someone is working on it ;)
[19:26] <Xpistos|work> jblount: I knew you were going to say that.
[19:26] <Chipaca> sid_: agreed, it's a workaround while we get the feature in place
[19:26] <sid_> K
[19:27] <Chipaca> sid_: there will be undo at some point, also
[19:27] <Xpistos|work> I heard Aq talking about it on Linux Outlaws and I started to think that maybe this just isn't a dropbox clone. Maybe we got something special here!
[19:27] <sid_> I mean the coolest thing is to have your dev workspace linked into UbuntuOne and press ctrl-s in the editor and it just syncs.... :)
[19:28] <sid_> Chipaca: Thanks again
[19:28] <Chipaca> sid_: the issue seems to be mostly with vim
[19:28] <Chipaca> sid_: the issue re editing inside the tree
[19:28] <Xpistos|work> Can I change the location of the folder on my system without messing up any functionality?
[19:28] <dobey> http://twitter.com/TotallyEpic/statuses/2516192772
[19:28] <dobey> heh
[19:28] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/76321
[19:28] <dobey> Xpistos|work: we don't support that yet, no
[19:29] <jblount> Xpistos|work: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/76321
[19:29] <jblount> heh
[19:29] <Chipaca> :)
[19:29]  * jblount starts to bookmark a few FAQs for future use
[19:29] <dobey> but we're very responsive to questions :)
[19:29] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: that question shows you how you can do it
[19:30] <sid_> That is so cool
[19:30] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: it's not an option in the gui, is what dobey meant; the method detailed in that question is basically tricking the syncdaemon into doing what you want
[19:30] <Chipaca> jblount: if I say that question is a faq, will it list it in the faqs? it seems to want to answer the person who asked the question with "this is a faq, go away" or something
[19:31] <Chipaca> jblount: "it" being launchpad
[19:31] <natewiebe13> Chipaca: is 0.90.3+r66 in the ppa
[19:31] <natewiebe13> Chipaca: or where can i get it from?
[19:31] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: good question
[19:32] <dobey> natewiebe13: it's in the nightlies
[19:32] <natewiebe13> url?
[19:32] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: same as beta, but /nightlies
[19:32] <dobey> rmcbride: ^ can we sync that to beta, or is there another update in the works for today?
[19:32] <dobey> natewiebe13: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies
[19:32] <rmcbride> dobey: another update is in work
[19:33] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: the key is the same, so you can skip that bit
[19:33] <dobey> rmcbride: coolness
[19:33] <rmcbride> dobey: and pending a 10 hour queue :/
[19:33] <natewiebe13> awesome thangks
[19:33] <natewiebe13> *thanks
[19:33] <jblount> Chipaca: I'm a bit confused about this myself, perhaps joshuahoover can be of some assistance
[19:33] <dobey> rmcbride: fail :(
[19:33] <jblount> joshuahoover: Hi! How can Chipaca make an exisiting lp answer a FAQ?
[19:33] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: nightlies might break, so you might want to change it permanently
[19:33] <natewiebe13> this should fix the segmentation fault though?
[19:33] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: allegedly :)
[19:33] <joshuahoover> jblount: i haven't converted one before...i normally create a new one and then reference that new FAQ
[19:33] <dobey> natewiebe13: it does, yes
[19:34] <dobey> jblount: "convert"?
[19:34] <dpm> jblount: hm, the guy asking about translations earlier on is gone. dobey: unfortunately, I did not go GUADEC this time
[19:34] <dpm> does anyone know who that was? Basically, to answer his question, he should go to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/trunk/+pots/ubuntuone-client/cs/+translate, and if he's can start adding suggestions. He should then get in touch with the Czech translation team at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-cs to review them
[19:34] <natewiebe13> great.. once again.. love this project
[19:34] <dobey> jblount: just mention it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne i guess
[19:34] <jblount> dobey: Shouldn't I be able to say, "ah! this is a good lp answer, I should make it a LP FAQ"
[19:34] <Chipaca> dobey: I thought I was on r66 this morning when it crashed, but I'm not certain so I'm staying quiet about it :)
[19:34] <dobey> dpm: i don't know his name/lpid
[19:34] <Chipaca> jblount: +1
[19:35] <joshuahoover> jblount, Chipaca: if you want to convert a question into an FAQ, you go to the question and then on the right side of links you select "This is a FAQ"...not sure what happens after you click that though
[19:35] <dobey> Chipaca: you could have had new packages, and old code :)
[19:35] <jblount> dpm: Thanks for checking in on us! I think he just was sad about waiting for approval, so I put up the .po file myself and will follow through the process. Good experience for me, and didn't want to lose his translation for my lack of experience.
[19:35] <dobey> Chipaca: since upgrading doesn't restart nautilus
[19:35] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: exactly, it looks like "this is a faq" tells the *user* that the question is a faq already
[19:35] <dobey> jblount: launchpad has "FAQs" ?
[19:35] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: which isn't what we wanted at all
[19:35] <jblount> Chipaca: Maybe this is a LP bug
[19:36] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: ahhh...got it
[19:36] <Chipaca> dobey: ah, that's it; I restarted the client but not the nautilus
[19:36] <natewiebe13> would you guys reccomend sticking with the beta or nightly ppa?
[19:36] <jblount> dobey: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faqs
[19:36] <Chipaca> joshuas: yeah
[19:36] <joshuahoover> Chipaca, jblount: then i just create a new FAQ and then link from there...not sure if there's a better way than that
[19:36] <dobey> jblount: ah, interesting
[19:37] <dpm> jblount: great! if you've got the po file, I can contact the Czech translators to review it, if you want.
[19:37] <natewiebe13> Chipaca, dobey: would you guys recommend sticking with the nightly or beta ppa?
[19:37] <Xpistos|work> Chipaca: I am sorry, I don't understand. It is possible to move the folder? How would I go about doing that
[19:37] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: depends on how confortable you are with coming in here, saying "it broke!", and being ignored :)
[19:38] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: did you read the question I linked you to?
[19:38] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: there I explain how to do it
[19:38] <jblount> dpm: That'd be great, it's already uploaded, I see it here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/trunk/+imports
[19:38] <natewiebe13> Chipaca: haha.. so in other words the beta is more stable?
[19:38] <Xpistos|work> Chipaca: I don't see that link
[19:38] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: we only push to beta when rmcbride says we've been good children
[19:39] <dpm> jblount: ok, thanks, I'll tell the Czech guys
[19:39] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: one second
[19:39] <natewiebe13> alright
[19:39] <rmcbride> Chipaca: natewiebe13: currently I'm waiting on the new nightly packages to build
[19:39] <rmcbride> and then I can test them before posting to Beta
[19:39] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/76321
[19:39] <Xpistos|work> Chipaca: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/76321
[19:39] <jblount> dpm: Neat! Thanks again!
[19:39] <rmcbride> they introduce a new dependency factor that might cause a problem, so they have to be tested from nightly first
[19:39] <Chipaca> Xpistos|work: exactly
[19:39] <rmcbride> Sadly the PPA build queue is ~10 hours long
[19:40] <rmcbride> at the momment
[19:40] <Xpistos|work> Sorry, I had to look a few times before I actually found it again. thanks for being patient
[19:42] <dpm> dobey: jblount: talking about translations, could anyone have a look at bug 330746? Basically, translations are not loaded in the UI, which always appears untranslated. I provided a branch with a patch, but I'm not a Python developer, and it'd be good for non-English users if someone could have a look at that
[19:42] <dpm> and complain at my poor coding skills if necessary
[19:43] <dobey> dpm: if you have a branch, you should propose it for merging into trunk
[19:43] <dpm> ok, I'll do
[19:43] <dobey> dpm: although, you probably need to re-merge with trunk in your branch, as there have been some big changes since then
[19:44] <dpm> dobey: ok, I'll see if I can do it this evening
[19:44] <natewiebe13> Chipaca: worked great.. thanks for putting up with my questions
[19:44] <Chipaca> natewiebe13: enjoy!
[19:44] <Chipaca> last call for questions, ladies and gentlemen
[19:45]  * Chipaca leaves in 15 minutes
[19:49] <dobey> Chipaca: I'll have the Gossling's Black
[19:50] <Chipaca> dobey: that's with one S, I believe
[19:51] <dobey> so it is
[19:51] <dobey> clearly i need more of it
[19:52] <Chipaca> dobey: sorry, I'm fresh out of Gosling's
[19:52] <dobey> best go to the packy then
[19:53] <jblount> dobey: *cough* https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/396647 *cough*
[19:54] <dobey> uh
[19:54] <jblount> dobey: Do you want me to try with a real install (not a live cd thing) ? Does that make it different?
[19:54] <dobey> it shouldn't
[19:55] <dobey> i'm about to try on my shiny new kneetop
[19:55] <jblount> dobey: You and your miniature computers.
[19:58] <rmcbride> haha "kneetop"
[20:00] <dobey> jblount: i get an icon when i install
[20:00]  * rmcbride hides
[20:00] <Chipaca> File Sharing for Ubuntu | https://ubuntuone.com | https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone | Currently in limited beta, new invitations are sent regularly | Current Beta Client Revno is 64, Protocol Revno is 47 | Release 0.90.3
[20:01] <jblount> dobey: Jaunty/Karmic ?
[20:04] <dobey> jblount: jaunty
[20:04] <dobey> i have to use jaunty on it, because of the video card :-/
[20:04] <jblount> dobey: Strange, I'm installing now to see if that provides different results.
[20:07] <dobey> hi sheepeatingtaz
[20:07]  * Chipaca waves
[20:09] <sheepeatingtaz> hi dobey
[20:10] <ozbolt> hello
[20:10] <ozbolt> What is the "default keyring"?
[20:11] <ozbolt> My password doesn't fit
[20:11] <ozbolt> neither does my account password
[20:11] <ozbolt> ?
[20:13] <dobey> ozbolt: you probably created it with a different password when it was created
[20:15] <dobey> sheepeatingtaz: if you disconnect, and re-connect, with the applet, does it sync your data?
[20:15] <sheepeatingtaz> dobey: not exactly...
[20:16] <sheepeatingtaz> I added a single file in nautilus, and a different file throught he web interface
[20:16] <dobey> sheepeatingtaz: did it at least download the bits that were on the web?
[20:16] <sheepeatingtaz> dobey: no, the other way around!
[20:16] <sheepeatingtaz> file added in nautilus now appears in the web
[20:16] <sheepeatingtaz> file added through web is still only viewable on the site
[20:20] <dobey> sheepeatingtaz: interesting :)
[20:21] <ozbolt> thanks dobey
[20:23] <sheepeatingtaz> dobey: apparently so ;-)
[20:24] <sheepeatingtaz> I'm just going to leave it for a bit, see if things 'catch up'
[20:24] <stealthbanana> tried looking on launchpad bugs, anyone getting nautilus seg faulting when trying to access ftp, ssh, computers, etc via places?
[20:25] <dobey> stealthbanana: yes, the bug in question is "Fix Committed". 0.90.3+r66 in the nightlies PPA has the fix, and there's a newer version in the works to end up in nightlies and beta later today
[20:25] <stealthbanana> great, thanks
[20:26] <stealthbanana> I'll wait for the beta update
[20:34] <VK7HSE> 0.90.3+r68 is in the cue to be built for the nightlies ppa
[20:34] <stealthbanana> Also is it worth mentioning a wee glitch in the web client when using a netbook?
[20:35] <dobey> stealthbanana: that's what bug reports are for, yes :)
[20:35] <stealthbanana> http://coronach.adsl24.co.uk/pics/Screenshot-9.png
[20:36] <stealthbanana> just long file names are kinda hidden and it does not know what  ods file is
[20:36] <dobey> stealthbanana: indeed. the long filenames issue is known
[20:39] <VK7HSE> plus the screen resolution wouldn't help either (800x480 on the Eee 701 is a little painful!)
[20:39] <VK7HSE> in my case! ;)
[20:39] <dobey> VK7HSE: i guess that was meant for another channel? :P
[20:40] <dobey> VK7HSE: but resolution was a big reason for not getting a netbook, for me
[20:40] <VK7HSE> no I was refering to stealthbanana's comment and screen capture...
[20:41] <VK7HSE> I haven't slept tonight! err.. well its now morning... (utc+10)
[20:41] <dobey> oh
[20:41] <stealthbanana> 1024 * 600 AA one
[20:41] <stealthbanana> sorry on phone
[20:43] <VK7HSE> LaunchPad seems to be a little slow! https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies/+build/1109217
[20:45] <dobey> VK7HSE: yeah, lp can be slow to build sometimes
[20:46] <CpuWhiz> if i delete/upload a file via the web interface it doesn't want to trigger the client to resync the folder. is it going to check every X min or something?
[20:47] <VK7HSE> dobey: yes I package for Me TV and I find the best time to upload is around 11am in the morning (local time!)
[20:48] <dobey> CpuWhiz: no, but there is work going on, on the server side, to tell connected clients that a file was deleted or added via the web
[20:48] <dobey> CpuWhiz: it is a known issue that is being worked on :)
[20:48] <dobey> CpuWhiz: a disconnect/reconnect on the client side should have it sync up
[20:49] <CpuWhiz> or drop some new file in the folder. i searched the tracker for "delete" and i didn't see anything that sounded like it but ok
[20:50] <CpuWhiz> and the web interface doesn't refresh itself either?
[20:50] <dobey> not currently, but there is also a new web ui being worked on as well :)
[20:51] <dobey> and yeah, the launchpad search feature isn't that great
[20:51] <VK7HSE> all in good time! ;)
[20:51] <CpuWhiz> is the old one that bad? it's a total rewrite? or by "new" you mean improved version of the current one
[20:56] <jblount> CpuWhiz: the new one is mostly a rewrite. Most of the internals will be the same, it's just a fresh batch of html and css for the front end
[21:00] <patricksan> hey guys, I tried to install the ubuntuone today in my company, but there I had proxy. I could not start the client. At home without Proxy, it is working ok.
[21:07] <dobey> patricksan: where does it fail exactly?
[21:11] <patricksan> it was the first time that I was installing. So it was before I receive the message to add the computer. At my company I didn't receive this page in the mozilla. The client also didn't appears at the panel.
[21:11] <patricksan> does it make sense.
[21:13] <trothigar> hi, i'm having problems launching ubuntuone-client-applet
[21:15] <jblount> trothigar: Hi! What exactly is going wrong?
[21:15] <trothigar> jblount, i can't launch the program
[21:15] <trothigar> jblount, when i do it from the terminal i get no output
[21:15] <trothigar> jblount, but it doesn't quit
[21:16] <jblount> trothigar: Yikes! Is this the first time you are installing the client?
[21:17] <trothigar> jblount, yes, it installed correctly  (i assume) first time
[21:18] <dobey> patricksan: ah, did mozilla open and give you an error then?
[21:18] <trothigar> jblount, however i didn't sign up to a service until after i launched it for the first time
[21:18] <patricksan> no, mozilla didn't open.
[21:19] <trothigar> jblount, mozilla opened showed me a local page then redirected to the subscription options (2gb or 10gb)
[21:19] <dobey> patricksan: oh ok. perhaps that is a different issue unrelated to the proxy then.
[21:20] <patricksan> dobey: should I open it as a bug? Is there any file that I could send to help?
[21:21] <jblount> trothigar: This sounds like a familiar problem, one moment...
[21:21] <dobey> i think there is probably already at least 3 bugs opened about it :)
[21:23] <jblount> trothigar: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet/+bug/396643/comments/3
[21:23] <jblount> trothigar: those instructions should sort things for you, basically you need a subscription (even if it's only the free one) for the oauth authentication magic to happen :)
[21:24] <jblount> dobey: I finally finished testing that icon in menu thing, I'm still not getting it on a full install.
[21:24] <jblount> dobey: I was hoping that Jaunty + all updates would fix it for me, but I still see that missing icon thing.
[21:24] <trothigar> jblount, thanks, its working now
[21:24] <dobey> jblount: someone just filed a bug about it. there must be a bug in the panel that doesn't always occur
[21:25] <jblount> trothigar: Great!
[21:25] <dobey> brb
[21:25] <dabbler> BTW will ubuntuone work with Kubuntu and if not, when?  thx
[21:26] <jblount> dabbler: define "work" :)
[21:26] <dabbler> will not install
[21:26] <dabbler> cannot finf synaptic  LOL
[21:26] <dabbler> find
[21:26] <trothigar> if you put a symlink inside "ubuntu one" to a folder will it just copy the symlink or the stuff inside as well, is a hardlink the solution?
[21:27] <jblount> trothigar: We don't follow symlinks, but do have plans to sync arbritrary directories.
[21:27] <trothigar> jblount, a hardlink would work though?
[21:27] <jblount> trothigar: The work around now would be to move the folders into your ~/Ubuntu One/My Files/ directory, then symlink them to the location they used to be.
[21:28] <jblount> trothigar: I don't think I'm familiar with 'hardlink'
[21:28] <jblount> verterok: ^^ ?
[21:29] <trothigar> jblount, its when you create a symlink which points to the data directly on the disk ( i don't get the internals)
[21:29] <dabbler> please guys...will Ubuntuone function under Kubuntu ?
[21:30] <trothigar> jblount, if you remove the file/folder will disappear as well.
[21:30] <verterok> jblount, trothigar: I don't know the details of how python handles hardlinks, but if python think it's a file/dir, syncdaemon 'll sync it
[21:30] <dabbler> KDE 4.3 to be specific
[21:30] <verterok> dabbler: it works on Kubuntu
[21:30] <trothigar> verterok, thanks
[21:30] <verterok> trothigar: np :)
[21:30] <dabbler> ok ty
[21:31] <verterok> ok.. /me goes back to coding this hashqueue thingy
[21:32] <jblount> verterok: Thanks, sorry to distract :)
[21:32] <verterok> jblount: at all, glad to help
[21:34] <verterok> jdobrien: just finishing some tests ;)
[21:34] <jdobrien> verterok: ?
[21:35] <verterok> jdobrien: oops, jblount ^
[21:35] <jdobrien> hehe
[21:35] <verterok> jdobrien: sorry :)
[21:35]  * verterok stabs tab completion
[21:35] <jblount> verterok: Now you've distracted jdobrien !
[21:36] <verterok> jblount: never!
[21:37]  * Ng curious what the upgrade strategy is for the PPA deb when people go 9.04->9.10
[21:43] <rmcbride> Ng: currently I believe we've got the numbering correct so that they would get upgraded to the 9.10 version of the package.
[21:44] <Ng> rmcbride: won't update-manager disable the ppa?
[21:44] <rmcbride> Ng: ah
[21:44] <rmcbride> Ng: I was thinking the PPA version of each, as opposed to the release verison
[21:45] <statik> Ng: ubuntuone-client is already in 9.10 universe and working it's way toward main if we can get the bugs fixed fast enough
[21:45] <statik> we'll probably completely delete ubuntuone-ppa package when karmic hits beta
[21:46]  * Ng nods
[21:56] <m68k> anyone having problems accessing desktop icons or places?
[21:56] <__lucio__> m68k: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/396742 ?
[21:57] <dobey> m68k: r66 of ubuntuone-client fixes it (in the build queue for the PPA)
[21:57] <kklimonda> dobey: can you somehow push it? there are over 100 builds in ppa builders atm :/
[21:57] <dobey> statik: i think it might be useful to keep around, for people that want to use nightlies or something
[21:58] <dobey> kklimonda: i wish i could
[21:58] <m68k> where do find this r66?
[21:58] <dobey> m68k: that's the revision number. an update will be in the ppa with that number or higher (0.90.3+r66 or higher)
[21:59] <kklimonda> dobey: u1 team has no connections with LP admins? i.e. you can't ask them personally? I thought you were all one big, happy family :)
[22:00] <statik> dobey: sure
[22:00]  * jblount joins #ubuntu-meeting
[22:00] <BUGabundo> ola
[22:04] <statik> for anyone who is interested, the ubuntu community council meeting is starting up over in #ubuntu-meeting, there is an ubuntuone topic on the agenda again I believe
[22:08] <jcastro> dobey: pong, what's up
[22:08] <dobey> jcastro: i realized you weren't around, so i @dented you instead :)
[22:08] <jcastro> oh
[22:09] <dobey> jcastro: wondering if there's any way i can claim "dobey" on ubuntu forums, since it's not me, and he seems to be inactive
[22:10] <dabbler> can someone help me with a key for Ubuntuone?
[22:11] <dabbler> need a key to install the software
[22:11] <dobey> key?
[22:11] <dobey> we don't require a key to install the software
[22:12] <dabbler> i'm using Kubuntu and error I get is something to do with authentication
[22:13] <dobey> you've installed it, but you get an error trying to run it?
[22:13] <dobey> can you clarify what the specific error is?
[22:14] <dabbler> GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4DA51AF64BD0ECAE
[22:14] <BUGabundo> dabbler: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 4DA51AF64BD0ECAE
[22:14] <dabbler> thx
[22:15] <BUGabundo> np
[22:15] <BUGabundo> hey thekorn
[22:15] <thekorn> hi BUGabundo
[22:15] <dobey> oh, you didn't install the ppa package, but added it manually
[22:16] <dobey> it's not really an error, but a warning
[22:16] <dabbler> public key "Launchpad Private PPA for Ubunet" imported
[22:16] <dabbler> ok...works
[22:16] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ?!?!??!?!
[22:16] <BUGabundo> OMG!!!
[22:16] <BUGabundo> you ARE BACK gnomefreak
[22:17] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: for a little while
[22:17] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:23] <kklimonda> heh, I had to remove ubuntuone-client-gnome to get access to mounted ftp share.. I couldn't use it though ~/.gvfs/ :/
[22:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:42] <m68k> just updated the ppa, still cannot access places.  any ideas?
[22:46] <dobey> m68k: the new version is not in the beta ppa yet
[22:47] <dabbler> just installed under KDE but no menu item...pls help me with command line executable for KDE
[22:47] <dobey> dabbler: you need to install ubuntuone-client-gnome as well
[22:47] <dabbler> ah ok thx
[22:48] <m68k> dobey, i updated with r68 from the nighlies
[22:48] <dobey> m68k: what does "dpkg -l ubuntuone-client-gnome" say?
[22:49] <dobey> r68 isn't built yet
[22:49] <dobey> but if you do have r66, and nautilus crashed, it is probably because you hadn't restarted nautilus afterward, and since it crashed, it will probably work again :)
[22:49] <m68k> it says "No packages found matching ubuntuone-client-gnome"
[22:49] <syngin> hey folks
[22:50] <dobey> m68k: then you don't have the nautilus extension installed, and so any nautilus crash can't be us, right? :)
[22:50] <dobey> hi syngin
[22:51] <m68k> couldn't find r66, this was the place recommended... https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies
[22:52] <dobey> m68k: you added the sources listed there to your apt config?
[22:52] <dobey> m68k: and then did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[22:52] <m68k> aye, added to apt config
[22:52] <dobey> or apt-get install ubuntuone-client-gnome ?
[22:53] <m68k> i thought ut updated through the update manager
[22:55] <dobey> m68k: the more gnome-specific bits were split out into a separate package, so that when we add kde support we can also have a -kde package, and avoid having each desktop depend on the other
[22:55] <dobey> m68k: and the upgrade doesn't pull in ubuntuone-client-gnome automatically if you didn't already have it :-/
[22:56] <m68k> updating through nautilus gives me an "unable to lock list directory" error
[22:56] <dobey> m68k: so i guess you need to install ubuntuone-client-gnome now
[22:56] <dobey> i don't know what "updating through nautilus" means... afaik it doesn't have an updater
[23:05] <m68k> installing the gnome client now.  i had forgotten to add sudo :P
[23:06] <jblount> m68k: Don't be sad, I do that all the time
[23:06] <jblount> :)
[23:10] <m68k> progress... ubuntu one now appears under apps!
[23:10] <jblount> huzzah!
[23:11] <jamesjedimaster> hi, this ubuntu one will also run on kubuntu?
[23:17] <m68k> thanks for the help.  i'll be back in a moment.
[23:32] <m68k> i've got ubuntu one working now. but i need some help getting my "places" back.
[23:36] <dobey> mjanos: your 'places'?
[23:36] <dobey> err
[23:36] <dobey> m68k: your places?
[23:37] <m68k> no window opens when i click on documents, music, desktop, etc.
[23:37] <m68k> nor can i actually click on the desktop icons
[23:37] <dobey> weird
[23:37] <dobey> and if you do "pkill -9 nautilus" in a terminal, do they come back?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> wasn't kklimonda saying the same thing ?
[23:38] <dobey> no
[23:38] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: mine problem is restricted to remote shares I think
[23:39] <dobey> kklimonda: your problem is that it's crashing, right?
[23:39] <m68k> dobey, that lets me open a window but all of my desktop icons disappeared
[23:39] <kklimonda> dobey: yes
[23:39] <dobey> m68k: they don't come back?
[23:40] <dobey> kklimonda: right, you haven't installed the new version then i guess. and computer:/// would crash for you as well
[23:43] <rmcbride> dobey: revno 66 did not make it over to BETA from nightly before the rebuild with the temporary dependency patch. And of course the PPA is not looking like THAT is going to build before Midnight EST
[23:44] <rmcbride> hmm one sec
[23:45] <rmcbride> Nope, the copy package interface also does not show it for me to copy. meh
[23:52] <dobey> rmcbride: yeah, i tried to copy it earlier and couldn't see it
[23:53] <dobey> rmcbride: but if you add the nightlies ppa, it's installable (and you can browse the url to install it as well)
[23:53] <rmcbride> Yea that is true
[23:53] <dobey> browse http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu that is
[23:54] <dobey> anyway, i gotta go work on my truck
[23:54] <dobey> later
[23:54] <rmcbride> Yea my dinner is done. Have fun


[02:21] <maxb> wgrant: I don't have ~launchpad/ppa but given it has nothing published for karmic, that shouldn't matter
[02:21] <maxb> meh
[02:22] <maxb> oh well, I can either treat this as cause to dig into the code, or I can treat those as known failures regradless and start trying to get some of my extant changes landed
[02:22] <wgrant> maxb: I have the ~launchpad/ppa's jaunty enabled.
[02:23] <wgrant> maxb: Let's see what I have installed from there...
[02:23] <maxb> hmm
[02:33] <maxb> lxml and setuptools updates, it looks like
[02:47] <wgrant> maxb: Something like that. It's hard to tell what's from which PPA.
[02:47] <wgrant> After activating those PPAs, I upgraded, installed python2.4 and python-celementtree, and built LP.
[02:47] <wgrant> And it all magically worked.
[02:47] <poolie> hello wgrant
[02:47] <wgrant> Hi poolie.
[02:48] <wgrant> poolie: That's a strange hostname for you...
[02:50] <poolie> mm
[02:50] <poolie> i'm at coscup.org
[02:50] <poolie> in Taipei
[02:51] <wgrant> poolie: Ahh.
[06:19] <wgrant> Nice new footer.
[11:23] <wgrant> Is launchpad-buildd still part of RF? The version there is rather old. I'm wondering because it doesn't work properly with karmic as a host, and it'd be best to fix a non-obsolete version...
[12:46] <cprov-afk> wgrant: yes, it is (lib/canonical/buildd).  It probably doesn't work for karmic as it is, I have a patch from Adam.
[13:03] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Right, I know it's there, but from what I've seen there have been a few changes in production since the version in LP.
[13:04] <cprov-afk> wgrant: yes, 3 new versions IIRC. I'm pushing a branch, so you can check.
[13:07] <cprov-afk> wgrant: lp:~cprov/launchpad/lp-buildd-karmic
[13:07] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Ah, excellent. Thanks.
[13:07] <wgrant> Everything else is now working perfectly on karmic.
[13:08] <cprov-afk> wgrant: re. bug #413922, it does render correctly (somehow), right ?
[13:08] <mup> Bug #413922: "supported version of Ubuntu" link on ArchiveActivateView broken <Soyuz:In Progress by cprov> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/413922>
[13:08] <cprov-afk> wgrant: it's just a misleading TAL instruction.
[13:09] <wgrant> cprov-afk: It renders a link to something like '/~person/Ubuntu'.
[13:09] <wgrant> So no, it doesn't work.
[13:09] <wgrant> edge is really out of date -- it was broken in the 3.0 migration.
[13:10] <cprov-afk> wgrant: oh, f.. yes, edge is old.
[13:10] <wgrant> Really old.
[13:11] <cprov-afk> wgrant: ha, staging is up.
[13:12] <wgrant> Barely..
[13:12] <wgrant> The problem is indeed visible there.
[13:12] <cprov-afk> wgrant: right ... works for this specific prob.
[13:13] <wgrant> Along with a conflict between the 2.0 and 3.0 styles, which should be fixed once person-ppas is 3.0ised.
[13:24]  * cprov hides somewhere.
[13:25] <wgrant> I suspect this new lp-buildd will fail in a similarly obscure way, but let's see...
[13:40] <wgrant> cprov: Ah, interesting. That fixed the particularly confusing problem, although it still doesn't quite work without a patch.
[13:41] <wgrant> (dpkg-source's output changed recently. Debian's sbuild was patched to no longer parse its output 18 months ago, but this sbuild seems muuuch older than that.)
[13:45] <maxb> Why does the dev setup use two different IP addresses? It appears to just be in support of running bazaar.launchpad.dev on a separate IP - why is that?
[13:47] <wgrant> maxb: the bazaar vhost is completely different from the others.
[13:47] <wgrant> But it still needs SSL.
[13:47] <wgrant> And SSL doesn't do multiple vhosts on one IP address.
[13:47] <wgrant> (unless you use SNI, which Ubuntu doesn't support yet)
[13:49] <maxb> Why does the bazaar vhost need SSL?
[13:49] <maxb> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ seems perfectly happy to talk to me
[13:49] <wgrant> Because it does in production, to protect cookies.
[13:49] <maxb> Oh, loggerheading of private branches?
[13:49] <wgrant> (for private codebrowse)
[13:49] <wgrant> Right.
[13:50]  * maxb is attempting to make
[13:50] <maxb> oops
[13:50]  * maxb is attempting to make dev.lp.net/Running/RemoteAccess saner, and would be happy to drop the requirement for multiple IPs
[13:50] <wgrant> Maybe in a release or two.
[13:51] <maxb> Well, dev.lp.net/Running/RemoteAccess is a bit of a hack anyway :-)
[13:51] <wgrant> Indeed.
[13:52] <wgrant> maxb: Still no luck with getting tests to pass?
[13:52] <maxb> Nope, I think it's dig-into-the-code time
[13:52] <wgrant> Damn.
[13:55] <maxb> I just need to decide whether I do that now, or just ignore those two tests and press on with landing some of the py2.5 changes I've already accumulated
[13:56] <maxb> Switching topics: Is there a statement from Canonical explaining its rationale in choice of license for Launchpad icing/images?
[13:57] <wgrant> kfogel might have mentioned it in a comment on a blog post, but I don't recall anything official.
[13:57] <wgrant> Although it's pretty obvious why.
[13:57] <maxb> Well, there's multiple aspects and it's not entirely obvious.
[13:58] <wgrant> That's true. I can think of two big ones.
[13:59] <maxb> For example, I'd love to use Malone for both non-profit private projects, and attempt to convince my company to use it.
[13:59] <maxb> Neither of those are ever going to be revenue stream for Canonical, nor damage Launchpad's cohesive one-place-for-OSS position
[14:00] <wgrant> The second could be a revenue stream, if companies get on the ooh-cloudy bandwagon.
[14:00] <maxb> If I can't do those, it would be nice to know why exactly :-)
[14:00] <maxb> My company will never buy into putting its bugtracking info on a 3rd party server


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