[07:36] <didrocks> good morning
[07:42] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:44] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:56] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:57] <duflu> oSoMoN,    \o
[07:57] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:15] <ricotz> good morning
[08:16] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz
[08:17] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[08:17] <ricotz> hi oSoMoN duflu
[09:03] <Laney> yo
[09:03] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, Laney, ricotz!
[09:05] <Laney> hey didrocks 👋
[09:05] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:05] <willcooke> goodly morlode
[09:06] <duflu> Morning Laney, willcooke
[09:06]  * duflu isn't sure if the protocol is to bow in this case
[09:08] <didrocks> Laney: I'm fine, rebasing, rebasing, rebasing
[09:08] <didrocks> yourself?
[09:08] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:09] <Laney> hey duflu
[09:09] <Laney> didrocks: yeah not bad, was fixing xpdf for poppler yesterday, got it built but it crashes now /o\
[09:09] <Laney> so need to fix that
[09:13] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[09:13] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, willcooke
[09:15] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[09:17] <didrocks> Laney: if it's building, ship it :p
[09:31] <seb128> back, good morning desktopers
[09:32] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va?
[09:32] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ouais, et toi ? prêt pour le w.e ? ;)
[09:33] <oSoMoN> héhé, presque, me reste qu’à réparer le bug #1806847, et c’est bon
[09:34] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:36] <seb128> oSoMoN, t'as une piste ?
[09:36] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:37] <oSoMoN> seb128, j’ai enfin une stacktrace
[09:37] <seb128> cool
[09:37] <oSoMoN> pas très explicite, mais j’avance
[09:39] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:39] <seb128> oSoMoN, duflu, that g-s/firefox/focus issue is weird, why is it fixed in cosmic/disco if they don't have the suggested patch :/
[09:39] <duflu> It's not, is it?
[09:40] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, that's weird, I guess it doesn't manifest itself in cosmic/disco because other fixes hide it
[09:40] <duflu> Oh, right
[09:40] <duflu> I might abstain and unsubscribe from that bug. I don't really care about it. Was only triaging
[09:41] <seb128> k
[09:42] <oSoMoN> seb128, rebuilding libodfgen appears to fix that LO unit test crash
[09:42] <seb128> nice that it fixes it
[09:42] <oSoMoN> now to understand exactly why
[09:43] <seb128> unnice that a rebuild is needed, sounds like an incompatible change in the stack/abi/something
[09:43] <oSoMoN> yes
[09:43] <oSoMoN> that looks vaguely similar to https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/603074c5f2b84de8a24593faf807da784b040625
[09:45] <seb128> willcooke, is sarah having an nvidia card? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1806165 look a bit like what you described the other day
[09:45] <willcooke> seb128, oh, don't know, I'll ask
[09:45] <seb128> willcooke, thx
[09:47] <seb128> popey, hey. Were you able to reproduce that steam controller/18.10 issue you raised (like do you have the hardware)? if so there is a kernel with a fix to test on bug #1798583, would be nice to give it a try
[09:47] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[09:48] <willcooke> seb128, I asked Laim to test that as well
[09:48] <willcooke> *Liam
[09:48] <willcooke> The OP
[09:48] <seb128> willcooke, thx
[09:51] <popey> I don't have any 18.10 machines I'm afraid.
[09:51] <seb128> k, no worry
[10:19] <seb128> willcooke, kenvandine, bug #1806697 looks worth having on some list, unsure the best way to flag though. It's probably not important enough for rls tagging? do we add those to the trello board or...?
[10:21] <willcooke> Hm, I have a feeling that Robert fixed something like that recently
[10:21] <willcooke> but yeah, I think we can assign it to him
[10:22] <willcooke> and I'll import it to trello for good measure
[10:22] <willcooke> no need to rls it IMO
[10:22] <willcooke> https://trello.com/c/SO0NhQKt/174-bug1806697-status-of-interface-connections-not-properly-updated-in-the-ui
[10:29] <seb128> thx
[10:29] <seb128> willcooke, assigning to robert, good one :p
[10:29] <seb128> should work if it's in trello, but he tends to ignore assigned bugs still :/
[10:30] <willcooke> kenvandine, pls can you check in with Robert on this one? ^
[10:30] <willcooke> Oh, I should assign it in Trello too....
[10:32] <willcooke> done
[10:45] <willcooke> oh crap, my car is due it's MOT test in 15 mins and I totally forgot.
[10:45] <willcooke> Erm, back in a bnit
[11:04] <Laney> k, no more xpdf crash
[11:04]  * Laney uploads
[11:13] <willcooke> back
[11:14] <willcooke> seb128, Sarah's is Intel
[11:14] <seb128> k
[11:19] <seb128> willcooke, well, I guess it's going to be tricky to debug remote like this, let's see when you guys are at the office next week rather
[11:20] <willcooke> yeah, totes
[11:28] <oSoMoN> seb128, my local rebuild of libreoffice with a rebuilt libodfgen succeeded, any objection to me doing a no-change upload of libodfgen to disco?
[11:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, no, then we can retry the libreoffice build I guess?
[11:29] <oSoMoN> yes
[11:29] <seb128> still it makes me feel uneasy than something changed that creates problem until no change rebuilds are done
[11:30] <seb128> but I appreciate it's probably not easy to figure out what is going on there so I agree with the pragmatic solution
[11:30] <oSoMoN> yeah, I commented on the bug and asked do_ko's opinion, let's see what his thoughts are
[11:30] <seb128> k
[11:37] <oSoMoN> ok, uploaded
[11:38] <Laney> oSoMoN: fwiw (for next time), you can use 'build1' for a no-change rebuild and then it doesn't show up as having a delta to things like auto-sync
[11:38] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks for the tip
[11:39] <Laney> with ubuntuX we have to manually sync it next time
[11:39] <Laney> np!
[11:39] <Laney> (dch --rebuild is good for this)
[11:41] <oSoMoN> oh, I didn't know of --rebuild, handy
[13:05] <mitya57> Hi all! I have fixed a couple of build failures in unity, but there is a remaining failure on armhf that I need help with: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3336/+build/15726931
[13:06] <mitya57> “libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate” — does anyone know how to fix that?
[14:01] <kenvandine> willcooke: sure
[14:13] <seb128> mitya57, hey, I didn't reply in case someone else, but seems not. I don't know about this error maybe duflu (but it's over his work day hours) or tjaalton would though?
[14:15] <mitya57> seb128: hi, thanks! I will wait for their response.
[14:18] <willcooke> thx kenvandine
[14:22] <tjaalton> mitya57: need xserver-xorg-legacy?
[14:22] <mitya57> tjaalton: do you mean that just adding that build-dep may help?
[14:22] <tjaalton> might
[14:23] <mitya57> tjaalton: I will try, but why this is armhf-specific then?
[14:23] <tjaalton> beats me
[14:24]  * mitya57 tries nevertheless
[14:26] <tjaalton> mitya57: did you try google?
[14:27] <tjaalton> the hw doesn't have a dri2 capable driver
[14:27] <tjaalton> so the test is buggy
[14:27] <tjaalton> fix that
[14:29] <mitya57> tjaalton: it worked in cosmic, but broke either before release or during disco cycle
[14:34] <tjaalton> and was run on exact same hw?
[14:40] <mitya57> tjaalton: since then I have tried to built it multiple times, so it failed with this error on multiple Launchpad buildd machines.
[14:41] <mitya57> Also unity code does not mention dri2 anywhere, so I have no idea what needs fixing :(
[14:41] <tjaalton> ok, well I don't have any arm hw so best to work around it in the test then
[14:41] <tjaalton> but if you search for it all the hits are about lacking a dri2 capable driver
[14:43] <mitya57> I wonder if using Xvfb instead of a custom X server run script would help here.
[15:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:43] <czajkowski> does anyone have a X1 carbon running 18.04.1
[15:44] <seb128> hey czajkowski
[15:44] <seb128> czajkowski, not me, but if you have a direct question maybe I can help anyway?
[15:45] <seb128> Laney, did you start working on n-m/autopkgtest yet? I want to merge another change/add a disco branch but I don't want to create conflict/modify the vcs from under your feet (I do it now if you didn't start or I do it after you are done otherwise)
[15:45] <Laney> yes I did
[15:46] <Laney> just stage it
[15:46] <czajkowski> seb128: clean install but none of the keys work on the functions so volume up down screen brightness etc
[15:46] <czajkowski> seb128: ell btw :)
[15:46] <seb128> Laney, k :)
[15:47] <seb128> czajkowski, Ubuntu session with gnome-shell/x11?
[15:53] <czajkowski> x11?
[15:53] <seb128> czajkowski, could you share your journalctl for the current boot/session if you have the issue now?
[15:54] <czajkowski> seb128: sure, is there a doc to follow ?
[15:55] <seb128> journalctl -b 0 | pastebinit?
[15:59] <czajkowski> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2F7vcPrG4S/
[16:05] <seb128> czajkowski, your log has several of those commands
[16:05] <seb128> Dec 04 09:54:21 sheldon pkexec[12870]: laura: Executing command [USER=root] [TTY=unknown] [CWD=/home/laura] [COMMAND=/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-backlight-helper --set-brightness 318]
[16:05] <seb128> czajkowski, what's the output if you try to enter that yourself?
[16:10] <czajkowski> seb128: if I run the command it actually works in the terminal
[16:11] <czajkowski> but by pressing the actual buttons it doesn't
[16:11] <czajkowski> sorry for the delay
[17:44] <k_alam> Does anyone know where Trevinho is ?
[17:50] <willcooke> k_alam, on holiday
[17:53] <k_alam> willcooke: Alright. Thanks.
[18:01] <jbicha> oSoMoN: I think you're going to have to do a full rebuild of libreoffice because it will be entangled with hunspell
[18:06] <oSoMoN> hrm, that's annoying
[18:08] <jbicha> 😿 but the good news is the hunspell transition otherwise looks ok
[18:10] <willcooke> gotta go, night all
[19:08] <seb128> czajkowski, weird, the log suggests it does issue the right command then :/
[19:08] <seb128> czajkowski, what does xev tell when you use those keys (and the sound ones)?
[20:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, libreoffice build on amd64, well done :)
[20:53] <jbicha> too bad we have to build it again
[20:54] <jbicha> but good job figuring out what was wrong :)
[20:56] <seb128> jbicha, if it builds it's easy to rebuild it...
[20:56] <seb128> the issue was to fix the test, not the builders
[21:00] <seb128> oSoMoN, do you want to do a no-change-upload before calling it a week? or should I do that?
[21:00] <jbicha> thanks
[21:01] <jbicha> (specifically, amd64 now depends on new hunspell but the older builds on other arches don't)
[21:14] <robert_ancell> jbicha, would you be able to update or sponsor an appstream-glib update in Debian?
[21:16] <jbicha> sure
[21:18] <robert_ancell> jbicha, which would you prefer - a patch or do it yourself?
[21:19] <robert_ancell> I ask because sometimes I find small updates are actually faster to do yourself :)
[21:21] <jbicha> oh I was thinking you were talking about snapd-glib
[21:21] <jbicha> maybe you're talking about both? 😉
[21:22] <robert_ancell> jbicha, just appstream-glib this time. GNOME Software master and 3.30 both require the new version
[21:23] <seb128> we should update snapd-glib though, weird that we are upstream for that and that it's outdated in current Ubuntu
[21:24] <jbicha> ok, I can probably do appstream-glib myself; I like it when you do the snapd-glib packaging :)
[21:31] <robert_ancell> jbicha, sure, I'll do the snapd-glib one
[21:48] <oSoMoN> I'll do a no-change upload of libreoffice now
[21:48] <oSoMoN> jbicha, or should I wait?
[21:59] <oSoMoN> it turns out I had one minor change to debian/control staged in the vcs (https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=12f049f851c9a97fdece58cb6bea5e9220d3f24c), so it's not gonna be a real no-change upload
[22:01] <jbicha> oSoMoN: you're allowed to make changes :) please go ahead and upload though :)
[22:02] <oSoMoN> done
[22:10] <robert_ancell> jbicha, snapd-glib git branch updated
[22:18] <jbicha> robert_ancell: both uploaded now :)
[22:18] <robert_ancell> jbicha, \o/ thanks!
[22:43] <oSoMoN> LO now fails to build on ppc64el with a strange error, but it's late and I need some sleep
[22:44]  * oSoMoN → bed
[22:44] <oSoMoN> good night all


[10:25] <doko> oSoMoN, marcustomlinson: there is now also http://bugs.debian.org/943401
[13:15] <ddstreet> xnox rbalint you know of any problems that using libnss-resolve might cause?  It seems harmless but it's separated and not installed by default, though I don't see any obvious reason for packaging it separately from the commit history, other than the other libnss plugins were separate at the time as well
[13:17] <xnox> ddstreet:  so, it alone, doesn't work in chroots because it relies on dbus that doesn't cross chroot boundary. Where as 127.0.0.... forwarder can.
[13:17] <xnox> ddstreet:  certain protocols that we don't like, are only available over libnss-resolve
[13:18] <xnox> ddstreet:  so, libnss-resolve alone is not enough / not usable as a system resolver unfortunately. But it is a nice supllementary tool.
[13:18] <xnox> if one wants lmnnr / zerconf resolution etc.
[13:18] <xnox> (correct spelling to taste)
[13:19] <ddstreet> it avoids limitations in the stub resolver as well, espeically on bionic
[13:19] <xnox> also many applications do not use nss
[13:20] <xnox> but yeah, it does help apps that do use nss
[15:14] <doko> mitya57: do you have any idea about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/448402130/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.fiona_1.8.9-1_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[15:14] <doko> failing to find the extensions when trying to build the docs with 3.8, I saw that in another package as well, fornow I have no clue why it is failing ...
[15:15] <doko> the extensions are built
[15:43] <doko> ahh, I got it. /usr/share/sphinx/scripts/python3/sphinx-build is 3.7, but the 3.7 extensions are not yet built
[19:04] <coreycb> doko: cpaelzer: I've uploaded python-tornado with py38 tests fixed up.
[20:47] <ricotz> hello, please sync this early -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1849300
[22:36] <Pharaoh_Atem> cyphermox: now that Ubuntu 19.10 is out, can you please take a look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1824245/comments/8


[00:14] <Kobaz> how would i perminantly remove a file/dir
[00:14] <Kobaz> and not just mark it deleted
[00:15] <Byrnison> bzr rm --force
[00:17] <Kobaz> k
[00:17] <Kobaz> and then... anyone know any good email notification hooks
[00:17] <Byrnison> I think. I just looked at the output of 'bzr rm --help' real quick.
[00:18] <Kobaz> i've been using svnnotify for subversion
[00:18] <Kobaz> Byrnison: i dunno about --force... i think --force will delete local files that aren't commited
[00:18] <Kobaz> kinda like svn delete --force
[00:19] <Byrnison> I haven't used Subversion for a while...
[00:19] <Kobaz> i've read in some comparisons that bzr has a perm delete
[00:19] <Kobaz> in other vcs's it's called obliterate
[00:19] <Byrnison> I'm testing --force
[00:19] <ia> hello, everybody. i have a question. if i want to create "trunk/branches"-model via bzr, i should run bzr init-repo my-repo, then create in my-repo directory trunk and branches directories manually and then run bzr add trunk branches, right?
[00:19] <Byrnison> Yep.
[00:20] <Byrnison> I think that is how, yes.
[00:20] <Kobaz> k
[00:20] <Kobaz> Byrnison: do you use any email hooks?
[00:20] <Byrnison> ia: But... add --no-trees to the command line.
[00:20] <Byrnison> No. I don't use Bazaar for anything complicated, or often at all, really.
[00:21] <hiredman> ia: you could create a repo, and, infact, bzr branch it, to create branches
[00:21] <Byrnison> I don't even really know how to use hooks.
[00:21] <hiredman> just to toss that idea out there
[00:24] <ia> well, then another question. from man page for bzr init-repo --no-trees and init repo/trunk said, that "create a shared repos holding _just_ branches". _just_ means that such repo couldn't be also working tree, right?
[00:25] <Byrnison> That is the purpose of --no-trees.
[00:25] <Byrnison> You could leave the option off if you wanted to use it like that.
[00:25] <Byrnison> But --no-trees would be useful if you were sharing the repo between other people, or if it was on a shared server.
[00:29] <ia> Byrnison, hiredman: thanks :-)
[02:49] <Kobaz> beuno: poke
[13:52] <mamatat> hi, i suddenly have this weird error when i run bzr status: http://pastebin.com/d1a77bd98
[13:52] <mamatat> any ideas what's going on?
[13:56] <Peng_> I wonder how you have a sys.version_info that isn't valid?
[13:59] <Peng_> Hmm, bzr 1.9 handles invalid plugin version tuples better. I wonder if that applies to sys.version_info too?
[14:01] <Peng_> No, it doesn't.
[14:02] <mamatat> bzr version bugs too
[14:02] <Peng_> mamatat: Out of curiosity, run this: python -c "import sys; print sys.version_info"
[14:03] <mamatat> (2, 5, 2, 'alpha', 0)
[14:05] <mamatat> 4th can't be 0 according to bzr code
[14:05] <mamatat>     elif __release_type in ('alpha', 'beta') and __sub != 0:
[14:05] <mamatat>         __sub_string = __release_type[0] + str(__sub)
[14:05] <Peng_> Yeah, you're right. (2, 5, 2, 'alpha', 1) is handled fine.
[14:06] <mamatat> argh
[14:08] <Peng_> Ehh, according to the docstring, that's intentional. "alpha 0" releases aren't "reasonable".
[14:11] <mamatat> yeah... figured out... it's explicitly forbiden by code... kinda makes sense but sucks that it happens now like that... it's not my server :(
[14:16] <mamatat> switched back to good'ol 2.4 but still get the first half of the errors (until 32)
[14:17] <Peng_> Yeah. I concentrated on the silly version formatting bug instead of the important part. Sorry. :P
[14:17] <mamatat> hehe...
[14:18] <Peng_> ISTM your working tree's state file got corrupted, but I'm not a developer. It could be some other sort of issue.
[14:18] <Peng_> You should wait for someone who knows that code to answer.
[14:20] <mamatat> hmm... thx for the help
[14:21] <mamatat> i hope things don't get corrupted too often too badly :S
[14:23] <Peng_> Like I said, I'm not sure. It could be a bug in the parser.
[14:28] <Peng_> mamatat: Um..mind if I send a patch to change the _format_version_tuple thing?
[14:29] <Peng_> (a (trivial) patch..)
[14:30] <mamatat> well it seems like a good thing not to run alpha0
[14:31] <Peng_> Heh.
[14:31] <Peng_> 2.5 is a stable branch; I doubt there would be issues.
[14:33] <mamatat> i'd rather file a ticket to hosting...
[14:33] <mamatat> need to figure out other bug... will try creating other working tree... need to remember how :S
[14:37] <Peng_> You could rename .bzr/checkout to something else and run "bzr co", but it might clobber changes you have in the working tree.
[14:37] <Peng_> You could also just make another branch.
[14:43] <mamatat> pff, now i get "bzr: ERROR: [Errno 5] Input/output error" on bzr status... not my day i guess
[14:49] <mamatat> Peng_: you know where this error might come from?
[14:49] <Peng_> Nope.
[14:52] <mamatat> not a very debuggeur friendly error... :(
[14:55] <LarstiQ> that sounds like a fs problem
[14:55] <LarstiQ> mamatat: see ~/.bzr.log or try with -Derror
[15:05] <mamatat> LarstiQ: http://pastebin.com/d18f1414f
[15:13] <mamatat> 'bzr status' seems to be not working well at all here and corrupted the branch... all other commands seem to work fine
[15:23] <Peng_> mamatat: Are you using a strange OS or file system? NFS?
[15:28] <mamatat> nfs i think... it's a hosting server not mine
[15:29] <mamatat> support says things work fine as long as bzr status is not used...
[15:30] <Peng_> Oh. Well, that shouldn't cause corruption, but NFS does have issues with locking.
[15:30] <Peng_> Hmm, isn't dirstate like the one case where bzr relies on OS locks, the very things that don't always work in NFS?
[15:30]  * Peng_ shrugs.
[15:31] <mamatat> i guess... apparently bugs have been filed to bzr about it and have been open for quite some time...
[15:34] <mamatat> how do you tell bzr to finally ignore a file that has been version controlled in the past
[15:50] <Peng_> mamatat: Stop versioning the file. ("bzr rm" or "bzr rm --keep" if you don't want to delete it.)
[15:50] <mamatat> thx
[15:52] <mamatat> hadn't thought of a 'rm --keep' command
[16:18] <BUGabundo> hi
[16:18] <BUGabundo> how do I restore just a file from an old revision»
[16:18] <BUGabundo> ?
[16:20] <james_w> "bzr revert -r rev filename"
[16:21] <BUGabundo> thanks james
[16:21] <BUGabundo> thanks james_w
[16:22] <BUGabundo> thanks you so much
[16:22] <BUGabundo> you are a life saver
[17:16] <mamatat> hi, i'm thinking of using bzr to merge and sync online and offline db. i would need to have a bot deal with running bzr for the online server. does anyone have experience or comments about something like that?
[17:51] <Peaker> why does bzr install a system tray icon in Ubuntu?
[17:51] <Peaker> it has nothing interesting, just a whoami configuration dialog...
[19:46] <mamatat> what's the easiest way to check from a script that everything has been commited (knowing that status crashes my branch)?
[19:47] <Peaker> mamatat: status crashes??
[19:47] <mamatat> yep :(
[19:48] <mamatat> some bug with nfs
[19:48] <Peaker> NFS sucks :-(
[19:48] <Peaker> Maybe sshfs is better
[19:48] <mamatat> well not my choice...
[19:48] <Peaker> mamatat: surely you can use an alternative mount?
[19:49] <mamatat> not sure... it's shared hosting... and not a big deal for status... but i do need to check things are commited
[19:52] <Peaker> mamatat: what kind of crash do you get with status?
[19:52] <mamatat> branch becomes broken
[19:53] <Peng_> Peaker: Earlier he put a traceback up at http://pastebin.com/d1a77bd98
[19:53] <Peng_> (he? she? it? anyway...)
[19:55] <Peaker> arrg, someone didn't wrap a %x  with %(x,) !!
[19:55] <Peaker> though that's the least of the problems
[19:56] <Peaker> (still worth a fix in bzrlib/__init__.py, probably)
[19:57] <Peng_> Oh, you're right. I didn't notice that one.
[19:57] <Peng_> ...It's been fixed.
[19:58] <Peaker> mamatat: probably best to solve the problem rather than the symptom
[19:59] <mamatat> what's the pb?
[19:59] <thumper> mamatat: bzr revno <remote branch>
[20:00] <thumper> mamatat: isn't exact, but useful and fast
[20:00] <thumper> mamatat: well, by exact, it doesn't tell you anything except the revno
[20:01] <mamatat> lol, ok thx
[20:01] <Peaker> mamatat: do you know Python?
[20:01] <mamatat> Peaker: hmm, depends...
[20:02] <mamatat> Peaker: won't get into bzr coding but am using it with django...
[20:02] <Peaker> mamatat: I'd debug that traceback
[20:02] <Peaker> mamatat: with pdb.pm() or such
[20:03] <Peaker> xpdb, maybe (shameless plug)
[20:03] <mamatat> i hear bugs have been filed about it...
[20:04] <mamatat> long time ago apparently
[20:04] <mamatat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/122106
[20:04] <mamatat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/108605
[20:06] <Peaker> mamatat: hmm, how do you reproduce the bug?
[20:08] <mamatat> i've tried to avoid doing that until now... :S might be everytime i run status but not sure
[20:09] <mamatat> on my machine, status works fine... bug is only on server
[22:04] <mwhudson_> is there a supported way to uninstall a hook?
[22:30] <spiv> mwhudson: Hmm
[22:30] <mwhudson> it sure doesn't look like it
[22:31] <spiv> ISTR raising this on the list, and it being decided as a YAGNI so far...
[22:32] <mwhudson> well i NI
[22:32] <spiv> :)
[22:35] <spiv> It doesn't seem hard to implement.  Basically it'd just do the equivalent of "Thing.hooks['pre_foo'].remove(callable)", plus removing the associated entry in _callable_names.
[22:35] <mwhudson> right, currently my code does this "Branch.hooks['transform_fallback_location'] = []"
[22:38] <luks> huh, "NoSuchFile: No such file: None"
[22:40] <spiv> mwhudson: this is outside a test, I assume?
[22:40] <mwhudson> spiv: yes
[22:40] <spiv> luks: over hpss?  I think I may have fixed that bug
[22:40] <spiv> mwhudson: interesting :)
[22:41] <mwhudson> spiv: i want to do
[22:41] <mwhudson> install_hook()
[22:41] <mwhudson> try:
[22:41] <mwhudson>    stuff
[22:41] <mwhudson> finally:
[22:41] <mwhudson>    uninstall_hook()
[22:41] <luks> spiv: yes, I'll try to pull from bzr.dev
[22:41] <spiv> That seems a bit weird, tbh.
[22:41] <mwhudson> (i only need to do this to make tests pass, mind)
[22:42] <spiv> Although having an unconditionally installed hook function that then looks at some (effectively) global state to decide what to do (if anything) is probably just as odd.
[22:42] <mwhudson> spiv: right
[22:43] <mwhudson> it's a bit of an odd hook, perhaps
[22:43] <mwhudson> the problem i have is that i want to use this hook to detect stacking loops
[22:43] <luks> spiv: thanks, current bzr.dev works
[22:43] <spiv> luks: great
[22:44] <spiv> luks: it was a bug introduced in 1.9 (#299254).
[22:44] <mwhudson> so having it installed for a long time tends to result in spurious loop errors
[22:46] <spiv> Well, I have no objection to adding an uninstall_name_hook or similar, and I see from the mail archives that jam agrees.
[22:47] <spiv> (The thread had the subject "[MERGE] Extend -Dhpss to emit a count of HPSS calls to stderr" if you care, although not very much was said on that topic)
[22:47] <mwhudson> spiv: is there a bug or patch or something
[22:47] <mwhudson> ?
[22:47] <spiv> None that I know of.
[22:48] <spiv> Feel free to submit a bug or patch or both :)
[22:48] <spiv> or something ;)
[22:48] <mwhudson> does a post it stuck to my monitor count?
[22:49] <spiv> If it results in a bug or patch, sure :
[22:49] <spiv> :)


[02:38] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do you have a trusty install somewhere to test my changes?
[02:38] <Noskcaj> It's built and in my ppa, but i had to manually refresh one patch so i want it tested by someone before i submit the debdiffs
[07:21] <ahoneybun> gnome control center is not working
[07:26] <ahoneybun> I know the one that I believe is 3.12 works but it is being heldback in a upgrade
[21:55] <Noskcaj> darkxst, trusty patches up, utopic ones will be in about an hour


[00:15] <hipitihop> never mind, found it myself... yes apport-bug is the one to use.
[00:17] <tgm4883> hipitihop, ubuntu-bug mythbackend I think
[00:18] <hipitihop> tgm4883: ah that also looks like the one.
[00:35] <hipitihop> tgm4883: ubuntu-bug reports : You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: dbus, dbus-x11, libblkid1, libcomerr2, libdbus-1-3, libdjvulibre-text, libdjvulibre21, libgmp3c2, libilmbase6, libmp3lame0, libopenexr6, libuuid1, mount, tzdata
[00:35] <hipitihop> I have already done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and there is nothing new
[01:00] <XiXaQ> I'm sorry, but I'm really, really disappointed. I'm not a total beginner with ubuntu, but configuring myth is way too difficult, I think.
[01:00] <XiXaQ> it looks beautiful though! :)
[01:02] <XiXaQ> when I try to watch TV, it sais all channels are in use, but no recording exists?
[01:02] <XiXaQ> I haven't configured any channels, though, because the "scan for channels" is greyed out and I have no idea what frequency the channels here are on.
[01:03] <XiXaQ> but I've also added an ogg vorbis video to my configured videos directory, but it isn't found in Myth frontend.
[01:16] <XiXaQ> oh.. The backend keeps crashing. When I answered yes to report it, I got the following error: «The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.»
[01:17] <XiXaQ> I don't understand how anyone is able to use this.
[01:18] <XiXaQ> can anyone help me troubleshoot or debug or report bugs or something?
[01:19] <XiXaQ> cause I'm stuck. I really want to like this, but it's quite difficult at the moment :)
[01:25] <XiXaQ> perhaps I'll have to use tvtime to switch channels? I had to do that with vnc, I remember.
[01:30] <XiXaQ> [V4L: /dev/video0] Television -> None
[01:30] <XiXaQ> what does this mean?
[01:34] <Seeker`> you don't ahve to use tvtime to change channels
[01:34] <Seeker`> not sure what that means
[01:34] <Seeker`> well, it means that you have set up a card at /dev/video0 as a V4L device
[01:35] <XiXaQ> What does Video Source mean?
[01:35] <XiXaQ> I have not setup that, cause it looked like a tv-guide for USA?
[01:36] <XiXaQ> I'm in Norway. I don't know of any online tv-guides which are available for Myth here.
[01:36] <Seeker`> video source is where it gets the listings from I think
[01:36] <XiXaQ> what does that mean?
[01:37] <Seeker`> I think you need that set up to scan for channels
[01:37] <XiXaQ> I have two choices: «None» and «»
[01:37] <Seeker`> two choices for what?
[01:37] <XiXaQ> for Video Source.
[01:38] <Seeker`> not sure then
[01:38] <Seeker`> setting up myth isn't somthing I do very often, so I'm not that familiar with the mens
[01:38] <Seeker`> *menus
[01:39] <XiXaQ> I don't know anyone who'd understand this.
[01:39] <XiXaQ> I thought this was for normal users, but maybe it's designed for hardware manufacturers?
[01:39] <Seeker`> its just that its difficult to provide support for all of the differnet cards, setups etc. all over the world
[01:40] <XiXaQ> well. My card does work perfectly with tvtime.
[01:40] <Seeker`> are you sure it is a V4L card?
[01:40] <XiXaQ> two minutes installing it, ten minutes scanning for channels.
[01:40] <XiXaQ> yes.
[01:41] <XiXaQ> I've been at it for three hours with Myth, and I'm not able to do anything with it, except showing menus that doesn't do anything.
[01:41] <Seeker`> have you tried looking for a setup guide?
[01:42] <XiXaQ> I've tried. I find some from back in 2004/2005, but those seem very outdated.
[01:42] <XiXaQ> Mythbuntu has a manual for 8.10. I'm using 9.10 rc, btw.
[01:43] <XiXaQ> I tried 9.04 and 8.10 before that, on three different machines with no luck.
[01:43] <Seeker`> you may have more luck with #mythtv-users
[01:43] <Seeker`> its a bit quiet in here most of the time
[01:46] <XiXaQ> "Commecial Flagging Method"... Are people supposed to understand that?
[01:48] <Seeker`> yes
[01:49] <XiXaQ> oh... I keep getting "(Core dumped)" in a window.
[01:50] <XiXaQ> mythfilldatabase, I think it's called, the program that causes it.
[01:50] <XiXaQ> what is a "Commercial Flagging Method"?
[01:51] <Seeker`> does it not give more information towards the bottom of the window if you highlight the option
[01:51] <XiXaQ> no.
[01:51] <XiXaQ> but it seems like mythfilldatabase is crashing all the time. How can I verify that everything is working properly?
[01:52] <Seeker`> it is the way mythtv detects adverts in programs
[01:52] <XiXaQ> nice... Sorry. MythTV Frontend closed unexpectedly.
[01:53] <Seeker`> mythfilldatabase uses the video source to download listings data
[01:54] <Seeker`> if you don't have listings set up properly, I imagine it may do strange things
[01:54] <XiXaQ> I can't watch local video either.
[01:54] <XiXaQ> that crashes the frontend.
[01:54] <Seeker`> I'm not familiar with the inner workings of mythtv
[01:55] <XiXaQ> ok.. But how do I get such a video source?
[01:55] <Seeker`> complete the setup
[01:56] <XiXaQ> hmm?
[01:56] <XiXaQ> I've been trying to do that for four hours.
[01:57] <XiXaQ> I don't know what a "video source" is, or why myth needs it but tvtime doesn't.
[01:57] <Seeker`> because mythtv isn't a video player
[01:57] <Seeker`> it is PVR software
[01:58] <Seeker`> so it needs to know where to find listings for TV, so it knows what to record when
[01:58] <XiXaQ> oh. You can't watch video with mythtv?
[01:59] <Seeker`> you can
[01:59] <Seeker`> but it isn't just a video player
[01:59] <XiXaQ> the only thing I wanted, was the ability  to watch tv on my desktop, sometimes record it, and sometimes watch it on my laptop instead.
[01:00] <XiXaQ> but I need a tv guide in order to configure channels?
[01:00] <XiXaQ> it doesn't make any sense to me at all.
[01:00] <Seeker`> it is pvr software
[01:01] <Seeker`> it is designed that you set up to record the programs you want to watch and play them back at a later date
[01:01] <XiXaQ> yes, but first of all, it should be able to get signals from the tuner, right?
[01:01] <Seeker`> yes
[01:02] <Seeker`> but I suspect it may need a video source set up to know what channels there are
[01:02] <XiXaQ> I don't think any TV Guides in Norway provides frequencies for all the different channels on all the different cable networks, satelite or air.
[01:02] <Seeker`> did you try adding a video source?
[01:03] <XiXaQ> no. I don't know what a video source is or where to buy one.
[01:03] <Seeker`> you don't buy one
[01:03] <XiXaQ> ok, then how do I get one?
[01:04] <Seeker`> you click on "add video source", or whatever wording it is they chose to use
[01:04] <XiXaQ> then I get an onscreen keyboard.
[01:05] <Seeker`> just an onscreen keyboard? nothing else?
[01:05] <XiXaQ> right.
[01:06] <Seeker`> a black screen and a keyboard?
[01:07] <XiXaQ> no, the same menu in the background.
[01:07] <Seeker`> what options does the menu give?
[01:09] <XiXaQ> oh, I'm sorry. I was in the wrong window. I added a Video Source with no grabber and default frequency table.
[01:09] <XiXaQ> now I'm able to choose that video source.
[01:10] <XiXaQ> oh, there is something called Video Filter, which is blank. Do I need that?
[01:10] <Seeker`> like I said, I don't know these menus very well
[01:10] <Seeker`> any more information you can give?
[01:11] <XiXaQ> I don't know.
[01:12] <Seeker`> could always try looking it up on the mythtv wiki
[01:15] <XiXaQ> yes, I've spent days trying to configure a program without reading manuals and wikis. No, I haven't.
[01:18] <XiXaQ> I'm sorry.
[01:18] <XiXaQ> I need a little break. This is getting on my nerves.
[01:19] <Egghead> trying to get lirc running on a ltsp client, using karmic beta and mythbuntu to setup diskless server, seems that the /var/run/lirc directory keeps disapearing after reboot, i wanted to report a bug, but where, is it a ltsp, lirc, or mythbuntu bug?
[01:20] <Seeker`> I'd report it against mythbuntu, when someone gets round to looking at it they will decide where it needs to be fixed
[01:21] <Egghead> seeker, sounds good, thanks
[01:37] <XiXaQ> «Fudging non-unique programids with multiple parts.» <-- What does that mean?
[01:37] <Seeker`> no idea
[01:37] <XiXaQ> how do I see if the backend is running?
[01:37] <XiXaQ> would the frontend complain otherwise?
[01:38] <Seeker`> it would complain
[01:39] <Seeker`> ps aux | grep mythbackend
[01:39] <Seeker`> will tell you whether the process is runign
[01:41] <XiXaQ> thanks. It is.
[01:41] <XiXaQ> regarding those filters for playback and recording. Is that something I have to configure?
[01:42] <Seeker`> I don't know what they are
[01:43] <Seeker`> is it just "Video Filters" next to a textbox?
[01:43] <XiXaQ> yes.
[01:43] <Seeker`> leave it blank. if stuff fails, come back and look later
[01:45] <hipitihop> does anyone know on what basis ubuntu-bug  reports obsolete packages ?
[01:46] <XiXaQ> what's the correct way to shut down the backend?
[01:48] <Seeker`> why do you want to shut down the back end?
[01:48] <XiXaQ> because tvtime doesn't work, and I think the backend has to be the reason for that.
[01:49] <Seeker`> sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[01:49] <Seeker`> I think
[01:50] <XiXaQ> no, sudo service mythtv-backend stop
[01:51] <hipitihop> I'm getting mythfilldatabase crash but Ic an't report it because ubuntu-bug claims a handful of packages are obsolete but not updates are available and thse packages are latest available
[01:51] <XiXaQ> hipitihop, that's when running it automatically, right? Try running it manually instead. I think it's a gui thing.
[01:52] <hipitihop> XiXaQ: what is the cli ?
[01:52] <XiXaQ> sudo mythfilldatabase
[01:52] <hipitihop> too easy ;-)
[01:54] <XiXaQ> hmm. No I shutdown the backend, and tvtime still isn't able to scan for channels, it seems. Wonder what the reason might be.
[01:55] <hipitihop> XiXaQ: running at the moment, although it already reports a warning that I'm running the grabber as super user... but that's probably a seperate issue
[01:57] <XiXaQ> I really shouldn't be giving advise at all. I've never even been close to getting mythtv working.
[02:38] <XiXaQ> hmm. Something has happened. I'm now able to see tv. It's just no signal. Well, that's what it looks like, anyway. But this is karmic. I haven't tried tvtime on this before, so I guess I'll try with a live cd and see how that works.
[02:42] <mersault> I updated my mythbuntu 9.10 install this afternoon, and now my screen goes blank as soon as gdm starts. Anyone else experiencing this?
[03:11] <darthanubis> nope
[03:23] <rhpot1991> hipitihop: you shouldn't be runnign mythfilldatabase as sudop
[03:23] <rhpot1991> sudo
[03:24] <rhpot1991> mersault: check your logs?
[03:24] <mersault> rhpot1991: nothing that I can find.  the xorg logs are fine, the nvidia module is loaded...
[03:25] <rhpot1991> check /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log
[03:25] <rhpot1991> see what its doing
[03:25] <mersault> I don't think it's getting that far.
[03:25] <rhpot1991> ah so you think its failing before mythfrontend launches
[03:26] <mersault> nothing shows up in the mythfrontend log, which is why i think it's gdm
[03:26] <rhpot1991> ps aux |grep mythfrontend
[03:26] <mersault> watching the boot process, I see it start ntp, and then blank
[03:26] <mersault> mythfrontend is not running
[03:27] <mersault> I'm looking at the gdm logs, but they appear to only have the same contents as the xorg log files
[04:01] <hipitihop> rhpot1991: fair enough, I was just following someone else's instructions..... now at the end of th erun there do not appear to be any obvious errors in termianl trace but mythweb status still shows there was an error
[04:02] <XiXaQ> hey, I got audio and video from the tvtuner! It's not in sync though, but it's a very good progress!
[04:15] <hipitihop> why is mythfrontend.log unreadable in a text editor ?
[04:16] <MistStlkr> Hoping someone is around to give me a hand, every time I reboot I need to set the screen resolution to one I can actually read.  Suggestions?  Pretty new to linux so it may well be something very obvious
[04:19] <hipitihop> MistStlkr: can't think of anything on hand but I have a similar issue with sound, each reboot I have to go into the mixer and tick one of the controls
[04:20] <ChesFTC> Hi, I've got a really bizarre problem with mythweb in the karmic RC
[04:20] <ChesFTC> Apache is spewing out binary junk before the HTTP/1.1 200 OK header
[04:21] <ChesFTC> Has anybody seen this before?
[04:34] <XiXaQ> why does MythTV Frontend in Karmic install backend as well?
[06:21] <Technophil> Can someone help me with a diskless frontend problem, one of the forntend images won't boot properly into NVIDIA and crashes.  I think the problem arose as I didn't enable nvidia-glx-xxx in synaptic before rebooting.
[06:22] <Technophil> I am thinking I might just delete the complete image files for the practicular FE but am not sure if another will be created?
[10:00] <jeffjeffdejeff>  hi all.  wonder if anyone can help me:  i'm trying to use mythtv box to connect to my other ubuntu computer.  I've managed to browse my mythtv box from my ubuntu machine, by going to places>connect to server.  how do i do it the other way round as my mythtv box doesn't have the ubuntu menu to open the application.
[20:29] <DonGiovanni> !help
[20:29] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:34] <DonGiovanni> Hello.  I have an issue where devices set to /dev/lirc0 will work but devices set to /dev/lirc1 will not (ir blaster on lirc0 and transmitter on lirc1 = blaster only works, if i switch transmitter to lirc0 and remote to lirc1 then only the transmitter works), any ideas where i should look?
[20:42] <mrand> DonGiovanni: Channels are exceedingly quiet today.  Feel free to stick around, but you might also post on Ubuntu forums in hopes that someone will respond there.
[20:43] <DonGiovanni> k thanks mrand, i'll post there as well but i'll stick around here too
[21:23] <XiXaQ> For å complete understanding of all my knowledge, read the following very carefully:
[21:28] <MythbuntuGuest30> Hi, I am a noob to Mythbuntu, Love it, but i need help with two issues.
[21:30] <MythbuntuGuest30> I have remote issues and Video REZ issues... can anyone help out?
[21:33] <DonGiovanni> @MythbuntuGuest30 you might want to try posting on the ubuntu forums doesn't look like anyone is really available today
[21:34] <MythbuntuGuest30> <param name="nick" value="Andy??">
[21:35] <MythbuntuGuest30> Looks like it, :(
[21:36] <MythbuntuGuest30> I tried the forums.
[21:36] <MythbuntuGuest30> Didn't get any answer
[21:37] <DonGiovanni> post the link I have used mythTV for a few years now so I can handle most of it...not a pro though
[21:37] <DonGiovanni> i might be able to at least point you in the right direction
[21:40] <MythbuntuGuest30> I can live without the remote, but as soon as i plug in the myth box to my tv, Sony Bravia 42", I get no signal msg, but it works fine on my monitor and my LG 22" LCD. Any clue?
[21:40] <MythbuntuGuest30> I use VGA to connect to my tv btw
[21:41] <DonGiovanni> vga when you go to the monitor as well?
[21:41] <MythbuntuGuest30> yes
[21:41] <DonGiovanni> what video card?
[21:41] <DonGiovanni> ati or nvidia?
[21:41] <MythbuntuGuest30> My box is a thinkcentre S10 Intel on board
[21:42] <MythbuntuGuest30> It has a shared MEM for the Video
[21:44] <MythbuntuGuest30> Getting the specs for the vid
[21:45] <DonGiovanni> i don't really know much about Intel drives for linux (never used them)
[21:45] <DonGiovanni> try setting your resolution
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest30> Intel 865G chipset graphics memory controller hub (MCH)
[21:46] <DonGiovanni> to the TVs native res while connect to your monitor
[21:46] <DonGiovanni> then connect it up to the TV and reboot
[21:46] <DonGiovanni> see if you get picture
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest30> I did set to my TV specs, still won't
[21:46] <MythbuntuGuest30> work
[21:48] <DonGiovanni> you etc your xorg.conf manuall?
[21:48] <DonGiovanni> sorry, did you edit your xorg.conf manually?
[21:50] <MythbuntuGuest30> yes
[21:53] <DonGiovanni> you post your edited xorg.conf in your forum post? send me the link
[21:54] <DonGiovanni> personally post the issue in the tv/video card issue in the Multimedia and Video forum of the ubuntuforums
[21:55] <DonGiovanni> and your remote issue in a seperate post in the mytbuntu section
[22:01] <MythbuntuGuest30> I will try it again... see what i get
[22:01] <MythbuntuGuest30> thanks for trying!
[22:05] <DonGiovanni> ? whats the link to your forum post? there is nothing to really try unless i see your xorg.conf
[22:06] <DonGiovanni> try and look for guides on editing xorg.conf for your video card...
[22:06] <DonGiovanni> good luck!
[22:07] <MythbuntuGuest30> thanks


[15:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
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[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110421
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110421
[16:00]  * davidm thinks meetings are fun
[16:00] <NCommander> who's here?
[16:01] <ogra_> cocoroo
[16:01]  * GrueMaster is semi-conscious.
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to poke cjwatson on soyuz archive skew plan
[16:01] <NCommander> Done, got good link on how Debian handles this, will create spec and propose for UDS
[16:02] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[16:02]  * davidm is sleeping in his chair in Austin
[16:02] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:02] <ogra> NCommander, fix china :P
[16:03] <ogra> looks good to me
[16:03] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D Status
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D Status
[16:04] <ogra> fine
[16:04] <ogra> nothing else to report ... uploaded a package with 20 bugfixes on tue.
[16:04] <janimo> hi
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Latest revision seems to be a good improvement.  No issues yet.
[16:04] <ogra> yay
[16:04] <ogra> there are still some known crashers
[16:04] <ogra> but they are SRUed already
[16:04]  * janimo started using U-2d on the desktop today
[16:05] <ogra> :)
[16:05] <ogra> do you like it ?
[16:05] <janimo> with such revolutionaly interfaces it's hard to tell what is a bug and what is a feature
[16:05] <janimo> it stays out of my weay so I like it
[16:05] <janimo> alt-tab has some funnies, I filed a bug o nit
[16:05] <ogra> it misses some shine and bling but behaves nearly the same as 3D
[16:06] <janimo> I thought I was using 3d until I ran ps ax and after filing the bugreport
[16:06] <ogra> but yeah, hard to know whats a feature and whats a bug atm :)
[16:06] <janimo> and was surprised it did not crash
[16:06] <janimo> now I know it is because it was not the 3d ui :)
[16:06] <JasonO> Hi. Is this the Ayatana  meeting?
[16:06] <janimo> JasonO, arm
[16:06] <GrueMaster> Can be somewhat irritating having the app menus on the status bar when using a 24" 1080p monitor and windowed apps.
[16:06] <NCommander> janimo: no, ARM
[16:07] <janimo> also dual screen may not yet be fully functional
[16:07] <JasonO> janimo thnk you
[16:07] <JasonO> *thanl
[16:07] <JasonO> thank
[16:07] <janimo> I have the panel on the right monitor, in blatant violation of the only Fitt's law I know
[16:07] <ogra> lol
[16:08] <ogra> anyway, move ?
[16:08] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[16:09] <rsalveti> not a lot to report on this for this week
[16:09] <rsalveti> kernel bugs should all be an sru now, and published after the release, as an update
[16:09] <ogra> ppisati_, ^^^
[16:10] <ogra> NCommander, ^
[16:10] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:10] <rsalveti> I believe the main important bug now is the video sync lost, that ogra and GrueMaster were able to reproduce
[16:10] <ogra> yeah
[16:10] <janimo> nothing to report
[16:10] <ogra> well, there *might* be MMC issues
[16:10] <janimo> I do the usual giving back when new glib/gtk is uploaded
[16:10] <ogra> given the amount of failures GrueMaster has seen
[16:10] <rsalveti> ogra: yeah, from GrueMaster's report
[16:11] <GrueMaster> ogra: It only affects netbook.
[16:11] <janimo> other than that main looks fine
[16:11] <ogra> GrueMaster, well, maybe there is more IO load on netbook ;)
[16:11] <rsalveti> while testing I was never able to face these MMC issues, but will try at least more 2, 3 times
[16:11] <ogra> yeah, i havent seen them either
[16:12] <GrueMaster> Oddly enough, most of the errors I have seen have no indication in the logs.
[16:12] <ogra> GrueMaster, do you test with 8 and 16G as well ? (i thought so)
[16:12] <GrueMaster> 4, 8, 16.  Class 4, 6, 10
[16:12] <ogra> k
[16:12] <ogra> just because of the issues on the pandaboard ML
[16:13] <ogra> as long as thats covered ...
[16:13] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:13] <ogra> really bad atm
[16:13] <GrueMaster> REALLY bad!
[16:13] <ogra> thanks to final uploads
[16:14] <GrueMaster> And out of date seed.
[16:14] <ogra> and due to the fact that our seeds were totally out of sync
[16:14] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2011-April/011679.html
[16:14] <ogra> i uploaded that today
[16:14]  * GrueMaster weeps
[16:15] <ogra> ginn, pitivi, overlay-scrollbars, tsclient and vinagre as well as baobab and brasero will need special attention
[16:15] <ogra> not sure how to test ginn
[16:15] <ogra> its a gesture app
[16:15] <ogra> so try jedi waves in front of your monitor or so
[16:15] <janimo> wave menacincly at it
[16:15] <janimo> if it does not break it is good
[16:16] <ogra> yeah :)
[16:16] <janimo> apparently ogra and I are from the same school of touch-QA
[16:16] <GrueMaster> I'm sure I can find a way to break it.
[16:16] <ogra> GrueMaster, keep that for may please :P
[16:17] <GrueMaster> :(
[16:17] <ogra> nothing more (thats bad enough news anyway)
[16:18] <ogra> NCommander, move unless there are questions
[16:18] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:18] <GrueMaster> Not much to report.  Currently engaged in getting UCM configured for omap3 (in between massive updates).
[16:18]  * ogra guesses he's still weeping
[16:18] <ogra> ah, no :)
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Netbook images have been broken last 3 days due to pool churn.
[16:19] <ogra> wont get better before tomorrow i fear
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Not much else to report.
[16:19] <GrueMaster> great.
[16:20]  * GrueMaster looks forward to another sunny weekend spent testing images in his office.
[16:20] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:20] <ogra> you clearly need a balcony
[16:20] <rsalveti> a new PVR driver was uploaded at the release PPA
[16:21] <rsalveti> if you are using gles stuff, please test
[16:21] <rsalveti> it's faster than previous one
[16:21] <janimo> rsalveti, will these make the archives ?
[16:21] <ogra> bug 736081 will be something we'll release with, if you see any weird bugs coming in after release, you should probably think of that one
[16:21] <rsalveti> janimo: probably not, I still need to incorporate some other changes
[16:21] <rsalveti> like xrandr and exa optimizations
[16:21] <ogra> (the title is misleading since its a gcc vs archive issue)
[16:22] <rsalveti> that are still being developed inside ti
[16:22] <janimo> rsalveti, ok. Is there no omap4 pvr in the archives now?
[16:22] <ogra> its in the ppa only
[16:22] <janimo> ok
[16:22] <rsalveti> janimo: no, just for omap 3
[16:23] <janimo> ogra, do they not upload gcc with the fix for natty?
[16:23] <GrueMaster> On that, why doesn't that get pulled in on omap3 images?
[16:23] <ogra> janimo, yes, but the whole archive is built with the option on
[16:23] <janimo> ogra, ah sure. I think we found the serious ones though
[16:24] <ogra> janimo, yeah, its just a plea for keeping the eyes open even after release
[16:24] <ogra> i think the same though
[16:24] <janimo> do we discuss the BP ideas in tonights team meeting?
[16:24] <ogra> david was very concerned about it though
[16:25] <janimo> the examples I saw (3 packages) almost all involved some sort of printf/vararg using functions
[16:25] <ogra> well, there might be more
[16:25] <ogra> using that
[16:25] <janimo> those are frequent but not every package uses them
[16:25] <ogra> right
[16:27] <NCommander> anything else or can I close?
[16:27] <NCommander> going once
[16:27] <NCommander> twice
[16:27] <NCommander> three times
[16:27] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:27.
[16:28] <ogra> moo
[16:28] <rsalveti> NCommander: and please, add ppisati at the kernel topic :-)
[16:29] <ogra> thats what i meant by pointing upwards before :)
[16:41] <JasonO_> What is the goal of this team?
[17:55] <pitti> mdz, kees: seems it might just be the three of us for today's meeting?
[17:56] <kees> pitti: it's in another hour, but I guess so?
[17:56] <pitti> urgh
[17:56] <kees> utc 1800
[17:56] <pitti> that thing seems to get later and later
[17:57] <pitti> I'm afraid I can't make that, or just for some 15 minutes
[17:57] <pitti> well, there's nothing on the ML, and nothing on the agenda, so it might actually just take 15 mins :)
[18:53] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: are you here?
[19:01] <sabdfl> evening all
[19:02] <pitti> good evening
[19:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:04] <kees> \o
[19:06] <pitti> no mdz?
[19:06] <pitti> do we have any topics at all?
[19:06] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[19:07] <pitti> Rick's item is done, mdz's too
[19:07] <pitti> I finished the brainstorm review
[19:07] <sabdfl> methinks it's all clear
[19:07] <pitti> I also scanned the ML, nothing new
[19:07] <pitti> no new community bugs
[19:07] <sabdfl> ironic, since it's the first meeting i could make in months :-)
[19:07] <pitti> heh
[19:07] <pitti> looks like Easter holidays indeed
[19:08] <kees> heh
[19:10] <pitti> so, let's just carry this? I need to run now anyway
[19:10] <sabdfl> that's a wrap
[19:10] <pitti> I updated the wiki page for 2011-05-05
[19:11] <pitti> yay UDS in-person meeting \o/
[19:11] <pitti> happy Easter holidays everyone then!
[19:11] <sabdfl> looking forward to that
[19:11] <sabdfl> cheers!
[19:11] <czajkowski> shortest meeting ever
[19:12] <pitti> heh
[19:16] <Keybuk> *cough* sorry, timezone
[20:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[20:03]  * micahg waves
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Do you remember what mr_pouit thought about changing the meeting day?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> How many are here for the Xubuntu Community Meeting?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> micahg: If I can make sure mr_pouit is okay with Mondays, I am going to move the meetings to Monday at 19:00 UTC, I think, starting with the next cycle.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Well, for anyone here for the Xubuntu Meeting, we are postponing it. I will send a message to the ML about the rescheduled m,ee
[20:10] <charlie-tca> meeting
[20:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: is fine with me, I have a meeting at 17:00/18:00 UTC
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I haven't actually checked the fridge yet, so that is tentative. It seems to be a good day, though
[20:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: nope, DMB has that slot every other week
[20:11] <charlie-tca> The only thing I have for today is discussion of the meeting times, and to announce the Natty is coming out next week.
[20:13] <charlie-tca> hm, much as I dislike it, maybe move us to 18:00 UTC then?
[20:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: that will work until the clock changes in the US, then it'll conflict with the security team
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That s lunch time in Pacific and Mountain time zones, but ...
[20:14] <pleia2> pretty much unavoidable
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I thought security was on UTC?
[20:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: nope, noon central time US
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Then it will move with the time changes, won't it?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> central changes same as the rest of the US
[20:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: then it'll be 18:00 UTC :)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> No, we are already in Daylight Saving time, next change we go back one hour
[20:16] <charlie-tca> oh
[20:17] <charlie-tca> they stay at noon Central time...
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Okay, we will take another gander at the time slots
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Still got 21:00 open
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Maybe we can switch it around, between 18:00 or 19:00 and 21:00 UTC?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Or, if we find a time that works well, I can get a logging bot in #xubuntu-devel and hold them there


[11:53] <WeirdAl> Well there's nothing on it.
[11:53] <toresbe> martinhj: yep :)
[11:53] <WeirdAl> I could reformat as ext3
[11:53] <WeirdAl> Does that?
[11:53] <akk> linux-386, linux-image-386, or linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[11:54] <jmarica9416> jbailey: do you mean the libkrb53 files...looks like it is installed by i cannot locate krb.conf or kinit command
[11:54] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, files under /wine are owned by root, or /wine itself?
[11:54] <akk> I guess I'll choose the third one 'cause at least then I know what I'm choosing.  Sort of.
[11:54] <WeirdAl> /wine itself
[11:54] <omeg> Can anybody help me upgrade from Warty to Hoary? The installation instructions on the Wiki didn't work because of an error.
[11:54] <martinhj> toresbe, har ikke s mye  utsette, men har hadde tilsynelatende random freezes.. fant ut at det var laptop_mode da jeg kjrte batteri..
[11:54] <martinhj> ellers fornyd;-)
[11:54] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl, what if you create a file under /wine?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> I have to be root
[11:54] <toresbe> martinhj: this is an english channel, we can talk in #linux.no :)
[11:54] <WeirdAl> So it gets created as root
[11:54] <jbailey> jmarica9416: krb5-user is probably a good choice.  It's not in main, sorry - jus tthe libraries are.
[11:55] <stas> hi
[11:55] <stas> how can I restart the X server?
[11:55] <webtoe> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:55] <stas> ctrlaltbackspc only kills it
[11:55] <jgeorgeson> WeirdAl: ok, you and webtoe are going to love this, instead of uid/gid, give the users option and mount it as yourself rather than as root
[11:55] <NotANick> ctrl alt backspace
[11:55] <toresbe> stas: ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:55] <martinhj> toresbe, :-)
[11:55] <stas> so I have to restart my whole computer
[11:55] <stas> to get X back
[11:55] <imperfect-> Howdy folks
[11:55] <thenuke> it restarts X on my PC's
[11:55] <WeirdAl> O_o
[11:55] <toresbe> stas: that Shouldn't Happen (tm)
[11:55] <stas> it goes to ablack console screen sometimes on mine
[11:55] <webtoe> jgreorgeson: lol!! no i'm wrong dammit!
[11:55] <omeg> Can anybody help me upgrade from Warty to Hoary? The installation instructions on the Wiki didn't work because of an error.
[11:56] <stas> SOMETIMES it restarts X
[11:56] <jgeorgeson> stas, X restarts for me on ctrl+alt+del
[11:56] <jmarica9416> jbailey: thanks...would you happen to know a good repository that i can use
[11:56] <omeg> I'm talking about this page, by the way: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[11:56] <webtoe> no stas, ctrl-alt- backspace not the del key
[11:56] <stas> I am using ubuntu
[11:56] <djm62> stas: or go to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[11:57] <jgeorgeson> stas, if you have sshd running you could also try to ssh in from another machine (if you can't switch terminals)
[11:57] <omeg> +o(
[11:57] <SeamusLP> stas:  When that happens restart gdm
[11:57] <stas> see
[11:57] <stas> it did it again
[11:57] <stas> I did sudo pkill gdm
[11:57] <stas> and sudo gdm
[11:58] <stas> to get it running again
[11:58] <stas> can I make it so I don't have to do that
[11:58] <djm62> stas: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[11:58] <jgeorgeson> stas, look at the /var/log/xorg.log to see why it crashed
[11:58] <djm62> will be kinder
[11:58] <jgeorgeson> stas, and what djm62 said
[11:59] <imperfect-> try ctrl-alt-f1
[11:59] <amonkey> which package should i get to get the fuse module?
[11:59] <imperfect-> that'll get you /dev/tty1
[11:59] <imperfect-> or the first getty
[11:59] <WeirdAl> jgeorgeson, guess what?
[12:00] <ubnuser> hi, i am having trouble installing flash support for firefox (i tried the FAQ)


[12:15] <jenda> hello tsmithe :)
[12:15] <tsmithe> yo
[12:15] <jenda> so...
[12:15] <tsmithe> explain paypal to me
[12:15] <jenda> for paypal, you only need a credit card.
[12:15] <jenda> You create a free online account, register your CC with that account.
[12:16] <tsmithe> it says: "Choosing the Right Account: Personal Account
[12:16] <tsmithe> Ideal if you shop online. Make secure payments on eBay and merchant websites using your credit card, debit card or bank account."
[12:16] <jenda> You send your account some money from the CC (takes a bit of time)
[12:16] <jenda> exactly that
[12:16] <jenda> and then you transfer money from your acc to mine. done.
[12:16] <tsmithe> it also says: "Note: You must be over 18 to sign up for a PayPal account." i'm not
[12:16] <jenda> aha
[12:17] <jenda> ok, that makes it a bit more difficult :)
[12:17] <tsmithe> do they care?
[12:17] <jenda> no, they don't... as long as you have a CC
[12:17] <jenda> and if you don't use it much, it doesn't really matter.
[12:17] <tsmithe> i have a visa electron and a solo card
[12:17] <jenda> A visa electron is debit, no?
[12:18] <tsmithe> both are
[12:18] <jenda> it says you can use it... so I guess you can :)
[12:18] <tsmithe> coolio
[12:18] <jenda> I need to use a CC (which I don't have yet) in order to be allowed to collect the large sum of money the posters cost.
[12:19] <jenda> (hopefully up to $350... although I'm not near that yet)
[12:26] <tsmithe> how many euros would that be?
[12:27] <jenda> for 15 posters, 16
[12:28] <tsmithe> right. ill do something about it tomorrow.
[12:28] <tsmithe> and how do i know i can trust you?
[12:28] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:28] <jenda> don't trust me. I'll send first, you send once you get them.
[12:28] <jenda> Sounds good?
[12:29] <lotusleaf> it's a trap!
[12:29] <lotusleaf> j/k
[12:29] <tsmithe> jenda: ok
[12:29] <tsmithe> but how do you know you can trust me?
[12:29] <lotusleaf> lol
[12:29] <jenda> I don't.
[12:29] <jenda> tsmithe, honestly, what do you have to gain - 16
[12:30] <tsmithe> a few posters?
[12:30] <lotusleaf> he's an ubuntu member, sounds good to me
[12:30] <jenda> Yes - but hypothetically, if you cheated me, I'd make your life in Ubuntu miserable ;)
[12:30] <tsmithe> cool. i trust you.
[12:31] <jenda> OK, now please give me your Credit Card number, PIN, street address, bank account number, full name, date of birth, names of both parents...
[12:32] <tsmithe> lol
[12:32] <jenda> names of household animals (including species and age), name of your school and girlfriend... her address... her picture...
[12:32] <jenda> :)
[12:32] <jenda> No, seriously - email me your street address to jenda at ubuntu dot com
[12:34] <tsmithe> will do
[12:34] <jenda> tsmithe: ok, is it 15 posters?
[12:35] <tsmithe> yup
[12:36] <jenda> I'll write it down. I have quite a few orders in queue and am very busy, so it might take a while.
[12:36] <tsmithe> i can wait
[12:36] <tsmithe> sent
[12:39] <jenda> received
[12:41] <nixternal> jenda, how much for some posters sent to Chicago?
[12:41] <jenda> nixternal: same planet, same price ;)
[12:41] <nixternal> i don't even know the prices
[12:41] <jenda> one buck apiece plus shipping
[12:43] <jenda> shipping = approx $5 for up to 15 posters, $9 for 15-27 or so, $12 for over 27 (up to 50, I hope)
[12:43] <jenda> More than 50 or 60 would go over a kilo - I dunno how much it would be there.
[01:09] <tsmithe> so jenda - before i go to sleep; all set for the posters?
[01:10] <jenda> yep
[01:10] <jenda> I'll try to send soon, should be within this week.
[01:10] <jenda> I first have to send to those people who have already paid, though.
[01:10] <tsmithe> wow! great! i was expecting it to take longer than that!
[01:10] <tsmithe> do you print them yourself, or get someone to do it for you?
[01:12] <poningru> yarr
[01:12] <tsmithe> i didnt know it was speak like a pirate day
[01:12] <jenda> tsmithe: a professional printer.
[01:12] <jenda> It's not speak like a pirate day.
[01:13] <jenda> Poor poningru has never learnt otherwise :(
[01:13] <tsmithe> didnt think so.
[01:13] <poningru> blarrgh?
[01:13] <poningru> yarr
[01:13] <jenda> must be the rrrum.
[01:13] <jenda> You can _watch_ piratebay? :)
[01:13] <tsmithe> how do you "watch" piratebay?
[01:13] <tsmithe> !
[01:13] <tsmithe> it's quite static
[01:13] <poningru> its a movie
[01:14] <poningru> about piratebay
[01:14] <jenda> really?
[01:14] <jenda> omg
[01:14] <tsmithe> it's also a website
[01:14] <jenda> can I steal it?
[01:14] <poningru> zomg
[01:14] <poningru> yes its called...
[01:14] <poningru> thats right you guessed it
[01:14] <tsmithe> piratebay
[01:14] <jenda> stealthisfilm?
[01:14] <poningru> steal this film
[01:14] <jenda> I saw that
[01:14] <poningru> :p
[01:14] <jenda> I donated to that :-D
[01:14] <tsmithe> so it's not called piratebay?
[01:14] <poningru> tsmithe: ofcourse not
[01:14] <jenda> It's the only online thing I've ever donated to.
[01:14] <tsmithe> so i didnt guess it!
[01:15] <jenda> what's wrong with piratebay, btw?
[01:15] <jenda> ah...
[01:15] <poningru> nothing...?
[01:15] <tsmithe> nothing
[01:15] <jenda> nothing is. piratebay.com is a filthy domain shark.
[01:16] <tsmithe> well. i'm gonna sleep now
[01:16] <tsmithe> it must be like 2am in prague!
[01:17] <jenda> omg, it is!
[01:17] <jenda> :)
[01:17] <jenda> 1:17
[01:17] <jenda> good night.
[01:17] <jenda> Now back to our discussion...
[01:17] <jenda> yarr.
[01:28] <elkbuntu> hey Burgwork, i dont know if nixternal has dobbed us in, but loco/country teams are going to be getting encouraged to be more involved with the marketing team
[01:28] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: right, like we are not very involved right now :)
[01:29] <jenda> great :)
[01:29] <Burgwork> my Canada half doesn't really communicate with my Marketing half
[01:29] <jenda> I always wanted/intended the marketing team to take care of what the LoCo teams would each on their own if it didn't.
[01:31] <elkbuntu> well, we're sort of toying with the idea of encouraging locos to have 'marketing' contacts to represent their countries in the channel etc so that we actually find out about country-specific events/news before it's too old for UWN
[01:44] <jenda> mm
[01:44] <jenda> I wonder who would represent CZ, AU, CA and Chicago... ;)
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Aww...did you get split up when they drew that line in '93?
[02:03] <jenda> Nah, I was totally on one side ;)
[02:04] <jenda> (BTW, why does the timestamp on your message say 2:03?)
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> (Who what now?)
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> (It's 20:03 here...)
[02:07] <jenda> Hmm... must be them stupid timezones :)
[02:08] <jenda> I guess it would be a good idea to go to bed today, too. Good night :)
[08:21] <tsmithe> yo jenda?
[08:22] <tsmithe> dont worry... i'm gonna get food now
[08:27] <jenda> tsmithe-supper: I'm here... I'm not here... I'll be here soon :) in about 3 hours.
[08:28] <jenda> feel free to email me.
[09:55] <MitchM> jenda: I'm stealing a portion of your diy.devubuntu.com code for ubuntu-rocks.org =)
[09:56] <MitchM> if that's acceptable.
[09:56] <MitchM> (Joey liked your website -- and thus _commanded_ me to make a better ubuntu-rocks.org one)
[09:57] <Plug> Are Ubuntu Rocks suitable for keeping as pets?
[09:58] <MitchM> lol.
[10:41] <BHSPitLappy> hey
[10:41] <BHSPitLappy> what's up
[10:47] <lotusleaf> burrito
[11:09] <BHSPitLappy> anyone have any good materials regarding introducing people to linux
[11:09] <BHSPitLappy> I often find myself at a loss for the correct words when somebody asks me, "What exactly is linux?"
[11:10] <MitchM> Does anyone off hand know where the Ubuntu TTF font is found?
[11:10] <BHSPitLappy> the one used in the logo?
[11:11] <MitchM> correct
[11:11] <MitchM> =)
[11:11] <BHSPitLappy> no idea
[11:11] <MitchM> hmm. thanks... =)
[11:11] <BHSPitLappy> need to type something other than "ubuntu" with it? ;)
[11:12] <MitchM> ah got it.
[11:12] <MitchM> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle
[11:12] <MitchM> sure do =)
[12:01] <jenda> MitchM: of course
[12:01] <MitchM> har har...
[12:01] <MitchM> thar be pillagin' about these waters
[12:01] <jenda> you can give me the improved version afterwards... and praise MenZa somewhere in the process.
[12:05] <MitchM> lol.
[12:06] <MitchM> will do


[15:15] <russo79> Hi, is there a way through D-Bus to find if the computer has been locked in Ubuntu 14.04? I know that that the signals LockRequested, Locked, UnlockRequest and Unlock are sent.
[15:16] <russo79> This however means to monitor D-Bus, isn't there a method like org.gnome.ScreenSaver.GetActive() on com.ubuntu.Unity.Session ?
[15:16] <russo79> my google-fu didn't help to on this issue unfortunately.


[14:34] <yano> I've been in a few interviews recently and a common question I've been asked is "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" and I've had to tell them "I unfortunately, don't have 2020 vision."
[14:40] <jrgifford> Ouch.
[14:40] <jrgifford> That hurts.
[14:40] <yano> hehe
[20:27] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/12/31/free-parking-glitch.html
[20:27] <jenni> [ Meter glitch means free Downtown parking today | The Columbus Dispatch ] - https://j.mp/1mm8X6F
[20:31] <dzho> heh


[21:22] <wxl> global rebuild in progress on 15.10 release candidate. after which, we'll need to re-test. sigh.
[21:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Will the rebuilds show in #ubuntu-release?
[21:24] <wxl> if you've subscribed to the image or whatever it is on the tracker, you'll get an update
[21:25] <wxl> like i just got an update ppc is ready
[21:25] <tsimonq2> Alternate is ready
[21:25] <wxl> oh all the alternates are ready
[21:25] <tsimonq2> dibs dibs dibs
[21:25] <wxl> go hurry before someone beats you
[21:26] <tsimonq2> I di
[21:26] <tsimonq2> *did
[21:26] <tsimonq2> marked as In progress
[21:26] <tsimonq2> yay
[21:26] <wxl> tsimonq2: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscription
[21:26] <tsimonq2> I know
[21:26] <wxl> you can subscribe to particular test cases, i think
[21:26] <tsimonq2> I know about that
[21:27] <tsimonq2> I found it
[21:27] <tsimonq2> That is how I know


[09:32] <qzero> hi guys
[09:33] <qzero> i have a question: Do you know how to mount exfat partition in lubuntu?
[10:07] <hateball> qzero: sudo apt-get install exfat-utils exfat-fuse
[16:46] <Hassaan> hello
[16:47] <Hassaan> hello
[16:47] <Hassaan> anybody?
[16:47] <genii> !ask
[16:48] <Hassaan> i have intel 82865g graphics will lubuntu work on that
[16:50] <Hassaan> reply
[16:50] <Hassaan> reply
[16:50] <Hassaan> waiting..........'
[16:51] <Hassaan> hurry answer me its an important question please please please please please
[16:52] <Hassaan> please please please please please please please please please please
[16:52] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsIntel
[17:28] <CooloutAC> hello all, is it possible to uprade to the new lubuntu or should I do a clean install
[17:28] <CooloutAC> when i hit the uprade button from the software updater nothing happens
[17:30] <CooloutAC> is there a terminal method I can use?
[17:52] <CooloutAC> I found the command online sudo do-releasel-upgrade -d
[17:54] <CooloutAC> hmm its telling me i need to free 22M on /boot
[17:57] <CooloutAC> what can I delete on /boot
[18:06] <CooloutAC> ok i had to delete old kernels
[18:19] <WP29C0O2> is pcmanfm not working in 15.10?
[18:29] <WP29C0O2> pcmanfm is not working.  what can i do?
[18:31] <CooloutAC> what is the error message?
[18:40] <bioterror> open terminal and run pcmanfm
[18:58] <n-iCe> Hello
[19:05] <Freddie_Mercury`> n-iCe: lol
[19:05] <Freddie_Mercury`> Hi. :)
[19:05] <n-iCe> ooh you are here
[19:06] <Freddie_Mercury`> Yes. Like I said, I use Lubuntu on my laptop.
[19:06] <Freddie_Mercury`> :)
[19:08] <n-iCe> why not lxle
[19:08] <Freddie_Mercury`> I hadn't heard about it before installing Lubuntu.
[19:09] <n-iCe> I see
[19:12] <n-iCe> thanks
[19:13] <Freddie_Mercury`> np
[19:13] <Freddie_Mercury`> Feel free to ask here for when you finally get around to installing Lubuntu btw
[19:42] <CooloutAC> the upgrade was successful,  everything works,  well done!
[19:43] <Freddie_Mercury`> CooloutAC, nice.


[01:10] <Viper550> I've been working on some new Kubuntu stuffs for Edgy
[01:14] <andreasn> hey Viper550!
[01:14] <andreasn> how did that mindstorms icon go?
[01:15] <Viper550> They suggested removing the back and making it just the stylized portion. But, I'm not here to think about robots!
[01:15] <andreasn> they? do you mean me, on the list
[01:15] <andreasn> ?
[01:15] <Viper550> Yeah, on the list
[01:16] <andreasn> man that mindstorms-stuff looks neat, I love lego
[01:16] <andreasn> I wish I had some, but it's stuffed away in my fathers barn somewhere
[01:16] <Viper550> Watch out, NXT barely uses bricks anymore! It's more studs and stuff...
[01:16] <Viper550> But anyway, here is what I'm working on for Kubuntu theme wise:
[01:17] <andreasn> ugh, I hate it when it's all specialy-specialy-shit
[01:17] <andreasn> I want more basic bricks!
[01:17] <Viper550> !language
[01:17] <Viper550> Oh wait, there's no Ubotu in here...
[01:17] <andreasn> and a darth vader figure ;)
[01:17] <Viper550> Okay, anyway, I finished up a new color scheme with the new palette...
[01:22] <Viper550> And for KDE styles, I thought we'd try QtCurve instead of Lipstik, it's customizable, and can also skin GTK apps with it's engine! Most Kubuntu users usually download Firefox and notice that it doesn't look very good. This, will solve all our problems!
[01:28] <Viper550> Also, I'm using the Keramik window decoration, with how I've got QtCurve setup, it actually looks like the menubar and the window decoration are fused together!
[01:41] <Viper550> Hello
[12:19] <lapo> hi
[12:20] <kwwii> anyone know how to make a screenshot from gdm or kdm?
[12:21] <lapo> kwiii xnest?
[12:21] <kwwii> lapo: no luck with that yet
[12:22] <lapo> vmware
[12:35] <kwwii> re
[02:44] <troy_s> kwwii use xnest
[02:44] <kwwii> troy_s: which does not work with kdm
[02:44] <troy_s> ach -- really?
[02:44] <kwwii> nor does xserver-xephyr
[02:45] <kwwii> we made a crappy version by using gdm and the kubuntu xml file
[02:45] <kwwii> but now I simply faked it :-)
[02:45] <troy_s> only tried it for gdm -- that's unfortunate that it doesn't work for kdm
[02:45] <troy_s> what bones it?
[02:48] <troy_s> how's weis kwwii?
[02:56] <imbrandon> hrm troy_s you seen newz today ?
[02:56] <imbrandon> afk, if you see him can you have him ping me
[02:56] <troy_s> not yet...
[02:56] <troy_s> absolutely
[02:56] <imbrandon> kk
[02:56] <imbrandon> thanks
[02:57] <troy_s> how are things ?
[02:57] <troy_s> did you get that issue resolved?
[02:57] <imbrandon> went to go upload the drupal stuff to the staging site and its not working
[02:57] <troy_s> wb kwwii_
[02:57] <troy_s> eek
[02:57] <imbrandon> nah thats why i was gonna ping him
[02:57] <imbrandon> heh
[02:57] <imbrandon> infact i went to go change the top part of art.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <imbrandon> just a second ago
[02:57] <imbrandon> thats when i noticed the ssh info wasent right
[02:57] <imbrandon> heh
[02:58] <imbrandon> ( you know the disclaimer that was talked about a few days ago on the list )
[02:58] <imbrandon> Ken you should have them get you a better connection in Weisban ( sp? )
[02:59] <imbrandon> anyhow troy_s thanks for pokin him if he shows arround today ;)
[02:59] <troy_s> np, off to work shortly here...
[02:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:00] <imbrandon> just curious , what is your "day" job ?
[03:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:10] <troy_s> motion picture industry.
[03:11] <kwwii_> this isp sucks
[03:11] <kwwii_> they reboot the router like every half an hour
[03:17] <cbx33> oo-bun-to or You-bun-to
[03:18] <kwwii_> Kuh-bun-too
[03:19] <cbx33> oooh kwwii_
[03:19] <cbx33> I needed to speak to you
[03:19] <kwwii_> howdy
[03:19] <kwwii_> I guess I can listen :-)
[03:20] <cbx33> heheh
[03:20] <cbx33> about sounds for kde
[03:20] <cbx33> have you been following the sound discussion?
[03:20] <cbx33> progbox.co.uk/finals
[03:21] <cbx33> I think sample2 FINAL, Mark wondered if you liked that for kubuntu?
[03:22] <kwwii_> yes, I have
[03:22] <kwwii_> to be honest, I have followed the mails, but not listened to the sounds :P
[03:22] <kwwii_> I will do that now
[03:23] <cbx33> ok
[03:23] <cbx33> the top ones the FINALS
[03:24] <cbx33> are the ones we chose as the best
[03:24] <cbx33> but what's best for U might not be best for K
[03:24] <kwwii_> hrm
[03:24] <kwwii_> I'm checking it out now
[03:24] <cbx33> ok
[03:29] <troy_s> isn't it Boooooon
[03:35] <kwwii_> cbx33: hrm, to be honest they are a bit too busy for my tastes
[03:36] <kwwii_> the sound we use now is very simple and short
[03:36] <kwwii_> I like attemp6 the best, but I would suggest removing the high tones at the beginning and end (they sound like bugs flying around to me)
[03:39] <cbx33> kwwii_, heheh
[03:41] <kwwii_> sorry for the critic, but I would rather be honest than play around with niceties that only hurt peoples feelings in the long run
[03:41] <cbx33> kwwii_, that's fine
[03:41] <cbx33> if you wanna stick with what you have for now
[03:41] <cbx33> I have no p[roblem with that
[03:42] <kwwii_> well, unless you are in the mood to simplify attempt6 I guess that would be the best idea
[03:43] <cbx33> i can try
[03:43] <cbx33> I'm just in my studio at the mo
[03:43] <cbx33> so I can give it a go in a min
[03:43] <kwwii_> cool, thanks :-)
[03:54] <cbx33> hi fschoep
[03:54] <cbx33> :)
[03:55] <fschoep> Hi, how are you doing cbx33?
[03:56] <cbx33> yeh good u?
[03:56] <fschoep> Doing fine even though I'm in Germany :)
[03:56] <cbx33> oh you at a sprint?
[03:57] <fschoep> Yes I am, sitting right next to Kenneth actually.
[03:57] <kwwii_> frank is sitting next to me (for whatever reason he keeps holding my hand)
[03:57] <kwwii_> :p
[03:57] <cbx33> heheh
[03:57] <kwwii_> damn it frank! get your hand off my knee!
[03:57] <kwwii_> you gotta watch these liberal dutchmen
[03:58] <cbx33> frank did you see the logout sounds?
[03:58] <fschoep> I saw the e-mail but haven't listened to them yet. Maybe I'll just do that right now.
[03:59] <fschoep> Oh, they're oggs.
[03:59] <fschoep> Can you post some MP3's ;)
[04:00] <cbx33> categorically no :p
[04:00] <cbx33> i get told of when i post mp3s :p
[04:00] <cbx33> yeh ican do that
[04:00] <fschoep> OK, thanks :)
[04:02] <cbx33> you not on linux?
[04:03] <cbx33> you should get mplayer :p
[04:04] <fschoep> I'm on OS X right now.
[04:06] <cbx33> refresh fschoep
[04:06] <cbx33> i havn;t worked on the thin theme yet as I wanted a logout noise first for each
[04:07] <fschoep> OK, give me a minute.
[04:07] <cbx33> np
[04:07] <fschoep> Do you have an overview page URL handy?
[04:08] <fschoep> The email I have has three links to Oggs I think.
[04:09] <cbx33> progbox.co.uk/finals
[04:09] <fschoep> Hey, thanks.
[04:21] <fschoep> I'll be back later on, thanks Pete,
[05:28] <Viper550> Has anyone here seen my new Kubuntu mockup?
[05:28] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=qtcurve_keramik.png
[05:29] <kwwii_> Viper550: well, blue curve is a redhat thing, not too sure if we want to use that in kubuntu
[05:29] <Viper550> Bluecurve?
[05:29] <kwwii_> QtCurve is the Qt version of bluecurve, or?
[05:29] <Viper550> This is a different QtCurve
[05:30] <Viper550> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[05:31] <kwwii_> yeah, I just saw that
[05:31] <kwwii_> hrm, we can think about it
[05:31] <kwwii_> can you post that on the wiki page for kubuntu?
[05:31] <Viper550> It themes both Qt and GTK apps, and I did post it
[05:33] <Viper550> Also, I haven't seen many distros using Keramik lately...
[05:34] <Viper550> (although, the recently released Xandros Desktop 4 uses it as their default window border)
[10:23] <Viper550> I noticed that the Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas page is a bit too graphics intensive to load smoothly
[10:35] <Viper550> Nice job on Kubuntu so far!


[10:58] <wikis> hello
[13:53] <Teridon> I attempted to use the focal interactive installer using all the defaults (except I updated the installer snap).  After selecting automatic disk configuration, subiquity crashed https://dpaste.org/JmoLb#L7776
[13:54] <Teridon> If it matters, the disk was already formatted from a previous install.
[13:57] <Teridon> also, the installer image was booted via ipxe:  https://dpaste.org/SOGLA
[14:06] <Teridon> I deleted all the existing disk partitions (and LVM) and restarted the installer; this time is did not crash
[15:22] <mybalzitch> why does lxd.daemon need up to 20 minutes by default for a stop job to complete on reboot. I waited 10 minutes, now its decided to take 20 minutes, and I seemingly have no way to interrupt or abort this as all the TTY's I check just display the waiting message
[15:23] <mybalzitch> oh and ctrl+alt+delete just resets the timer.
[19:15] <sarnold> mybalzitch: hmm, I can't recall seeing that myself, but I use lxd sparingly.. try asking in #lxc ?


[02:49] <smspillaz> fta: I am now
[02:49] <fta> smspillaz, hey, it was about the xterm patch, but i commented in the bug
[02:53] <smspillaz> ok
[02:54] <smspillaz> I positively hate xterm
[02:54] <smspillaz> I don't think we're going to make that patch for b1 though, the gates are closing fast
[02:55] <smspillaz> also, did I mention that I positively hate xterm for using all this legacy X11 stuff?
[02:55] <smspillaz> my newest issue with is with gitk
[02:55] <smspillaz> it does nasty things like reparenting itself every 10 seconds
[02:57] <smspillaz> fta: what's probably happening is that we aren't taking into account the server (legacy!!!!!!!!) border when adjusting for the new frame and shadow extents
[02:58] <smspillaz> oh, perhaps not
[02:58] <smspillaz> maybe its something else
[02:58]  * smspillaz will look into that today
[02:58] <smspillaz> I *really* need to get some study done though
[02:58] <fta> and i really need some sleep, it's 4am
[12:04] <paglias> hi
[12:42] <jderose> is there anyone who could walk me though a quick example using gi.repository.AppIndicator from Python?
[12:43] <jderose> i'm trying to port from python-appindicator, haven't trouble making the equivalent stuff work
[14:44] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/acroread.ogv  :(
[14:46] <hyperair> ugh that sucks
[14:47] <fta> indeed
[14:48] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/dash.ogv
[15:27] <njin> can someone set importance hight to bug 743634. thanks
[16:47] <coz_> hey all
[17:09] <yroc1234> Anybody here?
[19:23] <DaveDavenport> howdy
[19:35] <DaveDavenport> hmmm if a desktop file has spaces in the Name field, my indicator only shows the first word.
[21:29] <DaveDavenport> where are strings like  string "x-canonical-sound-menu-player-metadata-xesam:album"  documented?
[22:14] <LLStarks> is unity-gtk3 on the roadmap for oneiric or penguin?
[22:51] <DaveDavenport> hmmm if a desktop file has spaces in the Name field, my indicator only shows the first word. Annoying.
[22:54] <Omega> DaveDavenport: That's unfortunate, it's sunday though, so most devs aren't here.
[22:57] <DaveDavenport> yep. I will  repeat tomorrow
[23:25] <yroc1234_> HI, I am having some issues with ubuntu 11.04
[23:25] <yroc1234_> Its mostly that any of the standard updates that appear in a black box in the upper right hand corner of the screen (like facebook updates). Only contain white rectangles instead of charecters


[09:59] <luna> o/
[15:20] <memphisto> hi, how to have tuned set my lvm set readahead different from default one


[01:49] <enrico> hi!
[01:51] <ChrisH> hi!
[02:55] <ChrisH> enrico: Why that? Working for Gentoo now?
[02:57] <enrico> ChrisH: see my message in ubuntu-doc about the previous airline going bankrupt and canceling all flights
[02:57] <enrico> Man, this was such a PITA...
[02:58] <ChrisH> *lol*
[02:59] <ChrisH> Let's see if the hotel or Mark or the train company also go bankrupt. Oh, heck.
[03:00] <enrico> Plus a general strike here tomorrow, so I had to wake up at 4.45 to reschedule my girlfriend's flights for today
[03:03] <sid77_> c'mon enrico, at least tomorrow you shouldn't have to be at university to take a test ;)
[03:09] <enrico> www.sco.com :))
[03:09] <enrico> Have a look asap
[03:09] <sid77_> ahahh
[03:09] <sid77_> already seen
[03:09] <sid77_> (and saved a copy too)
[05:17] <enrico> sivang: got ya!
[05:18] <sivang> enrico : hi!
[05:18] <sivang> Finally I am online..
[05:55] <enrico> lulu: around?
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: I'd like to ask about the relationships between the translation teams and the documentation team
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: Many people write in ubuntu-doc offering help for internationalizations, and I wonder if the docteam should also handle internationalization or if there are already i18n teams
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: That is, it's unclear to me how i18n work is organized in ubuntu
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: Could you help me clearing it out?
[05:58] <lulu> enrico: Daf is working with translators on translating Ubuntu.
[05:58] <lulu> enrico: the doc team is encouraging translators who wish to translate documentation to set up their local language on the wiki and begin...
[05:59] <lulu> enrico: I am corresponding with a company atm to get linguaplone done for the site.
[06:00] <enrico> lulu: does that mean that if people offer help with i18n we shold refer to daf for application i18n and help setting up a section in the wiki and working with the docteam for local documentation?
[06:09] <lulu> that is the natural division atm.
[06:09] <lulu> we need to link the two teams better. Let's include that as a point in the BOF in Spain and have people contribute their ideas beforehand on the wiki....to give us a bigger picture of what both teams think we should be doing...
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: sounds meaningful to me
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: can you get a page set up and faciliate this discussion on the two lists?
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: two lists... you mean ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-devel or there is some ubuntu-i18n list?
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: to both....and get the wiki page up to collate ideas.
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: sure: I can take care of this
[06:09] <lulu> enrico:there is a translators mailing list.
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: ok, I'll look that up
[06:09] <lulu><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:09] <enrico> lulu: thanks
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: Rosetta should be ready by Mataro so this will make the integration much easier/better
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: I'll be curious to finally see what Rosetta will be about
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: You know from the previous conference that it is a translation tool. But all will be revealed shortly.
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: yes, I know that but I still don't know about its scope
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: I just know it'll be amazing :)
[06:09] <lulu> in the interim - I think a brainstorm on how to get translators and the doc team working together will be a good beginning. Let us know when the page is up and seeded with a few of your ideas.
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: thanks for doing that :o)
[06:09] <enrico> It'll be UbuntuLanguages
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: it's my pleasure and my duty
[06:09] <lulu> :o)
[06:09] <sivang> enrico : hi again
[06:09] <sivang> hi lulu
[06:09] <sivang> what will be amazing?
[06:09] <sivang> ;)
[06:09] <sivang> enrico : I went to the lib which is working 2 more hours here..
[06:09] <lulu> sivang: hiya!
[06:09] <sivang> lulu : Hi lulu!
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : were you talking about rosetta?
[06:14] <sivang> :)
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: yes.
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : oh, there is one thing I wanted to ask regarding the conf,
[06:14] <lulu> and how translators and doc team need to work together - we need to get that brainstorm going asap. Enrico's onto it.
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: ask away...
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : I'm listed with the wlecome to python BOF on the 15th :) Now, as I don't mind giving such , I will not be there on the 15th as we all know :)
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : I will hopefully stay online for the time being and help enrico
[06:14] <sivang> on it also, I have been reciving requests from various translators for co operation already
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: draft - may be a few probs to iron out. Jeff will be putting the last BOFs up - and we'll move things.
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: good - please add these ideas/queries to the wiki page so we can work on a strategy to work together effectively.
[06:14] <sivang> ok, no prob. I would be honnoroed to give a talk before Scott :) with him continuing on "Python Everywhere" , I would also not want to miss that by him, I'll talk to Jeff
[06:14] <sivang> enrico : rehi! :)
[06:15] <sivang> enrico : ok, let's set on some wiki and docteam planning now :) win is enough for that I guess :)
[06:16] <sivang> enrico : first, I want to create a formal page on the main site for the doc team, with updated goals and current works, as we set and agreed not long ago , outline the streamlines list of goals with the 1)Ubuntun Book
[06:16] <sivang> 2) Shipped docs
[06:16] <sivang> 3) Doc Infrastructure
[06:16] <sivang> etc..
[06:16] <sivang> what else did we have?
[06:17] <sivang> lulu : when will be set to go on moving the new faq from the svn to act as a main faq? how comfortable are you with this?
[06:18] <enrico> sivang: I'd use DocumentationTeamCurrentWork for that
[06:18] <sivang> enrico : ok, so we just go and fill what we are onto , and send a request to ML for others? I think john has sent a request for update also..
[06:19] <sivang> enrico : how can we also go about trimming down the huge amount of wiki pagees? as we discussed before , do you agree also the wiki should be a small repository of docs, with only few main pages of brainstorming and updates?
[06:21] <enrico> sivang: I'm getting lost
[06:22] <sivang> enrico : oh sorry, let me restart..
[06:22] <sivang> enrico : (reading my stuff I see I'm lost also :)
[06:24] <lulu> sivang" I have an FAQ upload answer - let me find it...
[06:25] <lulu> and elmo is talking to hornbeck on the Ubuntu svn server.
[06:25] <sivang> lulu : ok, so it will get uploaded there? how is it going to be incorporated in ploney? :)
[06:25] <enrico> I'll now try to get to daf to discuss how to announce that in the i18n community
[06:26] <sivang> enrico : what is the announcment about?
[06:27] <enrico> About updating UbuntuLanguages if someone starts a new language project
[06:28] <enrico> About current works, I started trying to keep track of what happens using 'planner' (apt-cache show planner)
[06:28] <enrico> I don't like planner's philosophy centering on commercial projects, but it's useful to keep track of who's doing what
[06:29] <lulu> enrico: is the wiki not good enough to track who is doing what?
[06:29] <enrico> However, a summary of the big Docteam ongoing efforts can be at the beginning of DocumentationTeamCurrentWork
[06:29] <enrico> lulu: to be honest, it was a long time I wanted to try this planner/MrProject software :)
[06:30] <enrico> And yes, the wiki is probably good enough
[06:30] <lulu> enrico: ok - but the more layers of complexity that is added, the less inclined people are to get involved. Keep it straighforward and easy.
[06:30] <lulu> is at all possible.
[06:30] <enrico> I don't plan to spread the use of planner anywhere
[06:30] <enrico> I swear! :)
[06:30] <lulu> is -> if
[06:30] <lulu> ok :o)
[06:31] <enrico> I have quite a long wishlist bug to be reported in my mind
[06:31] <enrico> It just isn't made to track volunteer-driven projects, imo
[06:39] <enrico> sivang: still around?
[06:39] <sivang> yes
[06:39] <sivang> I'm will be for a while, I want to assist in getting some stuff done
[06:40] <enrico> sivang: would you like to get started in packaging the FAQ?
[06:41] <sivang> enrico : yes !
[06:41] <sivang> enrico : [what about the other stuff, wiki streamlineing content, plannig]  ofcourse!
[07:37] <enrico> Sent the announcement
[07:39] <lulu> night all :o)
[07:39] <enrico> lulu: good night!
[07:39] <enrico> (too late)
[07:51] <enrico> I hope sivan gets back soon
[08:04] <enrico> See you later, or tomorro!
[10:14] <ggi> hello sivang
[10:14] <sivang> hi ggi
[10:14] <sivang> how's ireland in this cold period of the year?
[10:14] <sivang> :)
[10:15] <ggi> Hey! It's Scotland, and it's very cold. I should probably put the heating on.
[10:16] <sivang> ah sorry
[10:16] <sivang> scotland,
[10:16] <sivang> I recalled it was something from that region, please excuse my bad memory and poor geography knowlege.
[10:16] <sivang> (and my bad spelling also:)
[10:17] <ggi> Have we decided on a DocFest weekend yet?
[10:19] <plovs> goodnight!
[11:04] <sivang> ggi : I don't think
[11:04] <sivang> so