[02:42] <hazmat> i have a server that seems to be flaking out an update...
[02:42] <hazmat> it was giving this error message W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:43] <hazmat> i've copied over that file from another server which operates fine.. however now apt-get update .. returns Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [769kB]
[02:43] <hazmat> 99% [4 Packages gzip 0]
[02:43] <hazmat> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[02:43] <hazmat> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[02:43] <hazmat>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:43] <hazmat> Fetched 4B in 1s (4B/s)
[02:43] <hazmat> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:43] <hazmat> Reading package lists... Done
[02:43] <hazmat> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:44] <hazmat> never mind.. removing main from the sources.list, running apt-update.. and then adding it back in.. seems to have fixed the problem
[10:00] <pfp> hi, all
[10:01] <pfp> after some hours of semi-fruitful googling... what's the status on SATA and hot-plugging?
[02:19] <ealden> MarioMeyer_: ping
[02:54] <MarioMeyer_> pong
[03:21] <irvin> MarioMeyer_, you still there?
[03:21] <MarioMeyer_> yep
[03:21] <MarioMeyer_> but leaving
[03:22] <irvin> one quick question: there's no mysqli compiled with php5?
[03:22] <MarioMeyer_> whats the OS?
[03:23] <irvin> breezy. i've got php5-mysql installed, php5-cgi, and lighttpd
[03:23] <MarioMeyer_> irvin, then u gotta use dotdeb.org repositories
[03:23] <MarioMeyer_> ;P
[03:23] <MarioMeyer_> it hasnt been added to breezy yet.. maybe dapper..
[03:24] <irvin> umm... i see... i've got it running on windows though :-P, but how do you administer the feeds?
[03:25] <MarioMeyer_> via mysql
[03:25] <MarioMeyer_> just add them to the authors table
[03:27] <irvin> i'll try playing with it and see if i can use flat files instead. thanks a bunch!
[04:40] <Xoritor> i think i may bite the bullet and install ubuntu on the server
[04:41] <Xoritor> not that its going to be bad, just that its going to take some time... time i will be down etc...
[04:42] <Xoritor> any suggestions, tips, hints, or tricks anyone can offer?
[04:42] <Xoritor> its my home server that will be doing httpd (apache2), maybe squid, and possibly some other things
[04:43] <Xoritor> i am thinking maybe nagios (2x
[04:43] <Xoritor> )
[04:43] <Xoritor> but since thats not in the repo.... ill get it from cvs
[04:44] <Xoritor> anyone have a good snort -> iptables interface?  or any recommendations on a "small" iptables script?
[04:44] <Xoritor> i may just write my own
[04:44] <Xoritor> i am fairly good with iptables
[04:44] <Xoritor> not a guru or anything ;-)
[04:58] <MikeN> anyone an idea why, by default, my breezy /etc/aliases only contained the "root: user" alias and no postmaster etc.?
[05:00] <Xoritor> MikeN, thats odd... i didnt even see that
[05:01] <Xoritor> MikeN, thank you for pointing that out
[05:01] <MikeN> np, i think it falls in the category "bug", doesn't it?
[05:02] <Xoritor> i would say so yes
[05:02] <Xoritor> but i am new... so i dunno
[05:02] <MikeN> hehe
[05:02] <Xoritor> it sure does break the way MTAs work though
[05:02] <Xoritor> especially postfix
[05:02] <Xoritor> and anything else that sends to postmaster@
[05:03] <Xoritor> or any other thing
[05:03] <Xoritor> MikeN, have you been running ubuntu on servers for long?
[05:03] <MikeN> nop, some weeks now
[05:04] <Xoritor> hmm
[05:04] <Xoritor> i have not yet installed it on my server
[05:04] <Xoritor> any tips?
[05:04] <MikeN> have it on 1 dev/toy server now and 1 production server, will see how it works out, can't get that bad i think, other servers are running gentoo :p
[05:04] <Xoritor> that /etc/aliases will definately help me
[05:04] <Xoritor> heh
[05:04] <Xoritor> i ran that for a wile
[05:05] <Xoritor> and FC
[05:05] <Xoritor> and RHEL
[05:05] <Xoritor> and...
[05:05] <Xoritor> and...
[05:05] <Xoritor> gotta know how they all work
[05:05] <Xoritor> ;-)
[05:06] <MikeN> hehe, well, i'm not such a fan of rpm based distro's, always like debian, but with debian you never know when an update will be released, kinda annoying
[05:08] <Xoritor> right
[05:09] <Xoritor> i worked for Red Hat for 3 years, so i am much more famiilar with rpm based distros
[05:09] <Xoritor> but i do like .debs
[05:09] <Xoritor> and i like them more and more as i go on
[05:09] <Xoritor> easier...
[05:09] <Xoritor> cleaner
[05:09] <Xoritor> faster
[05:09] <Xoritor> etc...
[06:41] <nsilva> I am looking for a backup utility similar to FreeBSD's dump
[06:41] <nsilva> is there something used on Ubuntu systems that can do incremental backups from the command-line?
[06:45] <morrow> apt-get install dump
[06:47] <nsilva> okay no prob... since that is in universe i thought maybe there was an equivalent command that was built-in or in the main repository
[06:48] <morrow> well not that i know of, but i was used to dump/restore before so i didn't looked for anything else. :)
[06:49] <nsilva> thanks! :-)
[10:58] <pivi> big questione, why ubuntu server com with default useless package? (alsa, for example ..)
[11:00] <pivi> I can remove them removing ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-something, but I don't wont to get trouble when upgrading the distro ..
[11:11] <MikeN> pivi, you can remove them ignoring the deps, which will probably cause you no trouble with upgrading, but the extra packages don't really matter imho, they only waste some diskspace
[11:11] <pivi> yes, I know


[13:53] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: anyone of you leading the sdk session in appdev-1?
[13:53] <dholbach> (if not, I can do it)
[13:53] <mhall119> dpm is on the schedule to do it
[13:53] <dpm> dholbach, I'm on it
[13:53] <dholbach> dpm, ok cool
[13:53] <mhall119> dholbach: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AofbdH5hl5CbdHFjb0YyTlZCT0FLT29pYV9jM1BTU2c#gid=0
[13:54] <dholbach> that'll allow me to go back and forth between the sdk and the landing-process sessions
[13:54] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[13:55] <dholbach> mhall119, I can do 'software store roadmap'
[13:55] <dholbach> ah, read-only, nevermind :)
[14:29] <mhall119> dholbach: you can join me on it :)
[14:37] <dholbach> mhall119, cool :)
[14:52] <dholbach> jono, are you going to run the uds session in community-1 in 10m?
[14:52] <jono> dholbach, yes
[14:52] <dholbach> awesome
[15:04] <dholbach> jono, I'm in the "Supporting touch apps on Ubuntu desktop" session right now, but can join the one about uds if you like?
[15:05] <jono> dholbach, whichever you prefer
[15:18] <IdleOne> jono: you in #ubuntu-uds-community-1 right?
[15:20] <jono> IdleOne, yes
[15:20] <IdleOne> saw no link in the channel
[18:04] <jcastro> jose, your postfix charm doesn't do HA does it?
[18:04] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/433336/is-it-possible-to-deploy-a-ha-mail-server-using-juju
[18:05] <jose> jcastro: nope, I think it doesn't
[18:05] <jcastro> ta
[18:05] <jcastro> I'll file a wishlist
[18:05] <jose> but I could work in it
[18:05] <jose> sure


[00:10] <mininessie> if i stop a distro upgrade via 10.04 to 10.10 will it resume back to where it was at
[00:20] <mininessie> how do i use patch
[00:22] <geirha> mininessie: Depends on how far you're into the upgrade. There's a "point of no return". If you pass that, you can't go back.
[00:22] <geirha> There's a message saying so at that point.
[00:22] <mininessie> i need to patch broadcom sta
[00:31] <geirha> Why?
[00:36] <mininessie> geirha, kernel 2.6.33 needs it
[00:39] <geirha> Hm. There aren't any Ubuntu releases with linux 2.6.33 afaik
[00:40] <mininessie> geirha, yes but if your running 2.6.35 i gotta patch cause the patch is for 2.6.33 and higher
[00:43] <geirha> And you're sure Ubuntu hasn't already patched it?
[01:57] <boywonder> hi please: im trying to instll a package and im getting error cannot find glib?
[04:48] <mininessie> is this good or bad todd@todd:~$ sudo aptitude upgrade
[04:48] <mininessie> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[04:48] <mininessie> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:48] <mininessie> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[04:54] <zeroseven0183> mininessie: It means all the packages you have are up-to-date
[04:54] <zeroseven0183> try running sudo apt-get update
[04:54] <zeroseven0183> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:34] <pepeamid> Hi, someone have a macbook 3.1 ?
[09:24] <talsemgeest_> Damnit, looks like my ISPs DNS server is down. Anyone have the IP of a public one (eg Opendns)?
[09:32] <zeroseven0183> Try Google Public DNS
[09:32] <zeroseven0183> <IP_ADDRESS>; <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:48] <lisati> Talofa
[09:57] <talsemgeest_> Cheers zeroseven0183 :)
[09:57] <zeroseven0183> Sure
[11:16] <hobgoblin> hi ikonia
[11:16] <hobgoblin> whoops - sorry - hi ikt
[11:42] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:57] <hobgoblin> hi duanedesign
[13:39] <Puck`> is there any CSS guru around?
[13:57] <squaregoldfish> Puck`: I wouldn't say I'm a guru, but fire away
[13:58] <Puck`> squaregoldfish: i got it fixed, thx tho (:
[13:58] <squaregoldfish> Good work!
[13:59] <Puck`> thx :P
[16:45] <Silver_Fox_> Bonjour :)
[16:53] <sudobat> hola!!
[16:56] <Silver_Fox_> o/ sudobat
[16:56] <sudobat> que m'has fet Silver_Fox_ jajaja
[16:57] <Silver_Fox_> I am glad I made you laugh
[16:58] <sudobat> sorry I thought I was in ubuntu-cat ( in english )    que m'has fet == what did you do me
[16:59] <Silver_Fox_> Haha,  no worries :)
[17:00] <Silver_Fox_> I was going to say, it wasn't spanish.
[17:00] <Silver_Fox_> :D
[17:00] <Silver_Fox_> How are you sudobat  ?
[17:01] <sudobat> fine, finishing august
[17:29] <Silver_Fox_> Au revoir
[17:37] <Sunkan85> hi i'm noob in linux. and i wana go to a specifik map in the terminal. How do i do? is it CD and then the map name?
[17:37] <ikt> map?
[17:37] <Sunkan85> mapp
[17:38] <Sunkan85> folder
[17:38] <bjfs> cd folder
[17:38] <bjfs> man cd
[17:39] <Sunkan85> the name of the folder id. hämtningar. Do i just type "cd hämtningar" then?
[17:39] <Sunkan85> is*
[17:40] <bjfs> Sunkan85: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
[17:40] <bjfs> do take a while and read the basics ;)
[17:40] <Sunkan85> ty =)
[17:40] <ikt> is map another language?
[17:40] <ikt> oh
[17:40] <ikt> folder
[17:41] <hobgoblin> also take the time (about 5 secs) to learn about tab complete - start to type the name ie - ham then try using the tab key
[18:29] <abhijjeet> i have added some ppa in the software sources but when i reload the synaptic package , it does not download the ppas which were added by me. please help me im going to install vlc 1.1.4
[18:29] <hobgoblin> did you update the sources? either apt-get update or reload
[18:38] <abhijjeet> ia have added some ppas but the package information is not updated when i run the apt-get update command
[18:39] <abhijjeet> i want to install the vlc 1.1.4
[18:40] <hobgoblin> abhijjeet: I'm going to give you some commands - can you run them all in a terminal and then copy the whole lot to paste.ubuntu.com
[18:40] <abhijjeet> yes i will
[18:41] <hobgoblin> cat /etc/apt/sources.list && ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:41] <hobgoblin> run that please - I will have a look at that first
[18:42] <hobgoblin> abhijjeet: also where did you get the ppa information from ?
[18:42] <abhijjeet> please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/485933/
[18:43] <abhijjeet> i have got the info from the launchpad website
[18:45] <hobgoblin> abhijjeet: which ppa is it? the korn one?
[18:45] <abhijjeet> it is ferramroberto-vlc-maverick.list
[18:45] <hobgoblin> yea - saw it :)
[18:46] <hobgoblin> can you open that and paste it - cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ferramroberto-vlc-maverick.list
[18:46] <hobgoblin> it is possible that it is not up to date being a maverick one
[18:48] <hobgoblin> might be better asking in #ubuntu+1 if it's not an obvious error
[18:48] <abhijjeet> when im going to update in the terminal it shows some sources have invalid file name extension
[18:48] <abhijjeet> please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/485939/
[18:50] <hobgoblin> looks like there is not a maverick one yet
[18:50] <hobgoblin> run the update and give me the error
[18:54] <geirha> Indeed. Only lucid: https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/vlc
[18:54] <hobgoblin> abhijjeet: if the error says something along the lines of " there is nothing at ferramroberto maverick" try editing the file - gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ferramroberto-vlc-maverick.list
[18:55] <hobgoblin> change maverick to lucid in both lines and run update again
[18:55] <hobgoblin> geirha - yep
[18:57] <abhijjeet> im trying it be with me for some more time
[19:01] <hobgoblin> abhijjeet: I am about
[19:02] <abhijjeet> please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/485949/
[19:04] <hobgoblin> yep - we suspected that
[19:04] <hobgoblin> abhijjeet: if the error says something along the lines of " there is nothing at ferramroberto maverick" try editing the file - gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ferramroberto-vlc-maverick.list
[19:04] <hobgoblin> change maverick to lucid in both lines and run update again
[19:10] <abhijjeet> please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/485951/ i think vlc 1.1.4 is not ready for maverick if you know another source from where i can innstall it please give me details and also help me in this regard how to add ppas? and how to confirm that the ppas is working or not?
[19:14] <kosaidpo> abhijjeet: i guess you shud satiisfy the dependencies use the option built-dep
[19:14] <kosaidpo> and see wht it ll give you
[19:14] <hobgoblin> either that or wait for packages to catch up = such is life on the edge
[19:14] <abhijjeet> build-dep
[19:19] <tenach> Hey, is anyone here good with regexp in htaccess files?
[19:22] <seidos> tenach, i don't even know what use regexp have.  what are you trying to do?
[19:23] <latenite> Hi filks, How to I burn a "double layer dvd" on commamdline? http://pastie.org/1127131 this is what I get so far. thank you
[19:23] <latenite> anyone ever successfuly burned doublelayer dvd?
[19:24] <tenach> seidos, Right now it converts all .php?var1=blah&var2=blag&subj=var3 into .com/blah/blag/subject_with_spaces but I am trying to figure out how to make them - instead of _ :/
[19:27] <seidos> tenach, i'd probably have to see the file, it looks like you could just replace _ with - using a simple replace
[19:27] <tenach> latenite, have you tried something like
[19:27] <tenach> growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=1 -Z /dev/hdc /path/to/files
[19:28] <seidos> tenach, not that i would figure it out even if i saw the file, heh
[19:28] <tenach> seidos, want to see my headache?
[19:28] <seidos> tenach, yeah, let me see it
[19:28] <tenach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/485964/
[19:28] <tenach> ;D Not as easy as "finding the _ to replace"
[19:29] <tenach> it's under read rules
[19:29] <latenite> tenach, sure look at my paste :)
[19:29] <seidos> hopefully my computer keeps working.  i am, ahem, experimenting
[19:29] <tenach> latenite, I did look at it, sorry. xD I am up just before work.
[19:31] <seidos> tenach, i should have just kept my mouth shut.  this makes no sense to me.
[19:31] <tenach> latenite, I think that is the extent of my knowledge on such matters - you are arguments after growisofs that I don't understand (from not using them)
[19:31] <tenach> seidos, :D
[19:32] <tenach> regexp makes my eyes hurt.
[19:32] <seidos> everything makes my eyes hurt.  python, c, php.  mysql
[19:33] <seidos> &_&
[19:33] <hobgoblin> it's all voodoo
[19:34] <latenite> tenach, so what can I do now?
[19:34] <tenach> seidos, hahaha.
[19:35] <tenach> latenite, I do not know. I myself would have to resort to googling or looking on the ubuntu forums (I would suggest looking there, and posting if you need help)
[19:37] <latenite> tenach, I did I cant find anything on doulbe layers
[19:38] <tenach> I would suggest posting on there for help, as it seems that most of the people here are away or otherwise unable to respond with help. :D
[19:38] <seidos> latenite, did you search the forums using google?
[19:38] <latenite> seidos, sure
[19:40] <seidos> latenite, then i guess post on the forums, and/or ask in #ubuntu
[19:57] <lesclassic> Do I need to be online to set-up ubuntu?
[19:58] <seidos> lesclassic, you mean to install from a live cd?
[19:58] <seidos> lesclassic, the answer in this case is no, but to get updates you need to be online
[19:59] <lesclassic> I have it installed from a usb, but now I'm stuck
[20:00] <lesclassic> I only have wireless, but cant set it up without internet
[20:34] <kedarm> I think I ended up defining a keyboard shortcut (ctrl+f) by mistake. I don't see it listed in Keyboard Shortcuts. Where/How can I disable such an ill-configured shortcut?
[20:36] <duanedesign> hello kedarm
[20:38] <duanedesign> kedarm: what does it do?
[20:38] <kedarm> yes duanedesign
[20:38] <kedarm> yeah, it opens an xterm :(
[20:38] <duanedesign> ahhh
[20:39] <duanedesign> i think i have heard of this
[20:39] <kedarm> i have no idea how I managed to do this.
[20:39] <kedarm> I was playing with KB shortcuts, but this one has me stumped.
[20:39] <duanedesign> did you install xbindkeys?
[20:39] <kedarm> Yes!
[20:39] <duanedesign> :)
[20:39] <kedarm> how did you know?
[20:40] <duanedesign> i have seen this on the forums before
[20:40] <kedarm> Ah! So, should I uninstall it?
[20:41] <duanedesign> kedarm: can you open a Terminal?
[20:41] <duanedesign> haha, ctrl +f maybe :P
[20:42] <duanedesign> kedarm: run the command:   gedit ~/.xbindkeysrc
[20:43] <duanedesign> kedarm: paste the contents of that file at  http://pastebin.ca/
[20:43] <duanedesign> if youve never used pastebin, you paste the contents into the box, click submit post and then copy and paste the address of the page it gives you here
[20:44] <duanedesign> kedarm: i think their might be a line or two in their we can comment out and get rid of the ctrl + f shortcut
[20:49] <kedarm> duanedesign: oops sorry, give me a minute
[20:50] <duanedesign> kedarm: no problem I am here. Working on some other stuff so I am not going anywhere for awhile :)
[20:51] <kedarm> duanedesign: thanks! here you go -- http://pastebin.ca/1929336
[20:55] <duanedesign> kedarm: well i dont see anything there
[20:55] <duanedesign> kedarm: so their are two other options
[20:56] <duanedesign> their is an application called 'xbindkeys-config' you can install it with the command: sudo apt-get install xbindkeys-config
[20:56] <duanedesign> it is a GUI for configuring xbindkeys
[20:58] <kedarm> I installed xbindkeys-config
[20:58] <duanedesign> after installing, or if it is already installed
[20:59] <duanedesign> run "sudo xbindkeys-config" from the command line.  There should be three default entries in the list, as well as any other ones you've set up. Delete the entry that maps to ctrl+f then save it.  Make sure you use the "save to default file" from the file menu or it will just revert on you.
[20:59] <kedarm> Unfortunately, I don't see an entry against Ctrl+F :(
[20:59] <kedarm> I only have two entries
[21:00] <kedarm> ctrl+shift+q, ctrl+alt+Print
[21:00] <kedarm> I dunno how ctrl+f is taken :(
[21:01] <duanedesign> huh, that is exactly what was in the file you pastebined
[21:01] <kedarm> right
[21:01] <kedarm> do I need to restart something?
[21:01] <duanedesign> which i guess makes sense :P but doesnt help us...
[21:01] <duanedesign> kedarm: no let me look at something real quick
[21:01] <kedarm> Maybe I have to logout and log back in?
[21:01] <kedarm> ok.
[21:04] <duanedesign> kedarm: ok. You can run this command to check the global shortcuts
[21:04] <duanedesign> gconf-editor /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1
[21:05] <kedarm> running it.
[21:05] <duanedesign> it will open gconf and see if ctrl+f is in the list it brings up
[21:06] <kedarm> ok, looking
[21:08] <kedarm> hmmm. I can't locate ctrl+f in global-keybindings,  keybinding_commands, window_keybindings of Metacity :(
[21:08] <duanedesign> kedarm: ok
[21:08] <duanedesign> kedarm: i read a forum post where the user removed those two keybindings in the xbindkeys GUI
[21:09] <duanedesign> kedarm: also try launching  xbindkeys-config
[21:09] <duanedesign> without the sudo
[21:09] <kedarm> yes, without sudo, but the same thing.
[21:09] <kedarm> two unrelated shortcuts there.
[21:10] <duanedesign> kedarm: ok i would try your suggestion of logging out and back in, or reboot.
[21:12] <duanedesign> might try deleting the two unrelated shortcuts. Not sure how but someone on the forums claims that worked for him.
[21:12] <kedarm> hmmm. ok.
[21:12] <kedarm> ok, I going to get out. will report back.
[21:16] <kedarm> duanedesign: ok, I am back. Ctrl+F is restored to "Find"
[21:16] <kedarm> Had to kill xserver session :(
[21:17] <kedarm> That key reassignment was driving me nuts.
[21:19] <duanedesign> kedarm: it looks like the new version (in Maverick) doesn't do that. I think that frustrated enough people they decided that was not a good default
[21:20] <kedarm> duanedesign: but, Lynx does not do that either. It's just that my misadventure with xbindkeys landed me here.
[21:20] <kedarm> Sad thing is that I couldn't fix it w/o logout :(
[21:24] <seidos> how can i select a wireless access point and get a dhcp lease from within the terminal?
[21:26] <kedarm> seidos: have you looked at iwconfig?
[21:27] <seidos> kedarm: nope, not yet.  let me run it in another window
[21:30] <seidos> kedarm: i think this is what i need.  thanks
[22:03] <seidos> all right, i tried using iwconfig to set up wireless, but it didn't work
[22:03] <seidos> because i couldn't figure out what the ap id was
[22:05] <seidos> so i guess my question is, how do you scan for available access point information?
[22:43] <seidos> all right, iwconfig didn't work for setting up my wireless.  i got the essid and network id, added it with iwconfig, then tried running dhclient...but dhclient wouldn't get an ip.
[22:43] <seidos> but wireless still gets configured in gnome
[22:46] <kedarm> perhaps you should look at your /etc/network/interfaces?
[22:46] <seidos> kedarm: how will that help?
[22:46] <kedarm> I sympathize with you because I think the wireless network configuration in Ubuntu can be problematic.
[22:47] <seidos> kedarm: i'm just trying to learn how this system works.  i'm messing with this because i was playing around with sources.list
[22:47] <seidos> what i want to do, ultimately, is see if i can get xorg to work without gnome
[22:48] <kedarm> Well, I usually keep my script that does a specific sequence of ifup and ifdown after setting wireless configuration options (essid, password etc.) and then it sorta works.
[22:48] <seidos> but right now, without xorg and gnome starting up, i don't have wireless, and without wireless access i'm pretty much dead in the water
[22:50] <seidos> kedarm: so you're saying you had to get write a custom script to get it working?  O_o
[22:51] <kedarm> seidos: yeah, unfortunately.
[22:51] <kedarm> I had a WEP enabled wireless network.
[22:51] <seidos> kedarm: oh i don't.  well, it's my brother's ap
[22:52] <seidos> kedarm: it doesn't matter, i'm just going to give up
[22:52] <kedarm> seidos: sorry, don't have anything definitive to say.
[22:52] <seidos> kedarm: no worries
[23:26] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[23:27] <kosaidpo> evrytime i launch ubuntu it tell me
[23:27] <kosaidpo> that i wont get to use some fucntionalities n ask me i have right to read/write my folderpreference
[23:44] <duanedesign> kosaidpo: hello
[23:45] <kosaidpo> hello
[23:45] <kosaidpo> do you have any idea how can i set this up ?
[23:48] <duanedesign> kosaidpo: hmm, i have not heard of that one
[23:48] <kosaidpo> duanedesign: my problem ??want me to explain it ??
[23:49] <duanedesign> is this a regular Ubuntu install or did you install Ubuntu inside windows with Wubi?
[23:49] <kosaidpo> noo
[23:49] <kosaidpo> normal install
[23:53] <kosaidpo> duanedesign: any idea ?
[23:53] <duanedesign> kosaidpo: if you can get the exact error message that would help
[23:55] <seidos> kosaidpo: can you take a screen shot of the error message with the prtsc key?
[23:55] <kosaidpo> yeh ill
[23:56] <seidos> kosaidpo: you can paste it on imagebin.org
[23:58] <kosaidpo> let me jst try this
[23:58] <kosaidpo> comande
[23:58] <kosaidpo> okies
[23:58] <kosaidpo> pls


[07:02] <xubuntu07d> how do I uninstall software
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu07d:  you can use synaptic or apt
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> !synaptic
[07:04] <well_laid_lawn> !apt
[12:32] <xubuntu15w> exit
[12:33] <xubuntu15w> quit
[12:33] <xubuntu15w> exit
[12:34] <diogenes_> doesn't work :)


[00:58] <mohbana_> hey guys my system just totally froze, i had to hit the reset button.  can i find out why it froze?
[00:58] <Nafallo> if it had time to write to the logs, yes.
[01:00] <mohbana_> where do i find that/
[01:01] <Nafallo> /var/log/
[01:03] <mohbana_> what exactly am i looking for?
[01:11] <mohbana_> any idea?
[01:20] <mohbana_> ???
[01:25] <snap-l> mohbana_: Well, you're looking for logs around the time in which it froze
[01:25] <snap-l> kernel and messages would be a good place to start
[01:26] <mark2> mohbana_: You can get to the logs in Gnome through Administration/ system log. Look through the log for fatal error
[01:27] <snap-l> Generally, though, when a system freeze, there's few if any errors that get logged.
[01:28] <mohbana_> could this be it 'May  4 00:03:58 mohamed-desktop kernel: [15913.124584] npviewer.bin[14350]: segfault at 0 rip f739e415 rsp ffdb2484 error 4'?
[01:28] <snap-l> Is it near midnight where you are?
[01:30] <mohbana_> 1:30
[01:31] <crimsun> that shouldn't be sufficient to bring down a machine, however.
[06:16] <mrooney> does anyone know if responses to bugcontrol applications should be to the list, or bdmurray, or both?
[06:49] <rpedro__> anyone around?
[06:49] <mrooney> hi rpedro__
[06:50] <rpedro__> I tried enabling the hardy-proposed repo, but I still don't get the kernel patched with bug #188226
[07:00] <rpedro__> nevermind, the mirror for my country was not totally synced :) switched to the main mirror and it is there
[07:01] <mrooney> great!
[07:02] <rpedro__> :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> anybody around who's familiar with python-launchpad-bugs?
[08:07] <mcisbackuk> Hi all, I'm having a MAJOR problem installing Xubuntu on a 233MHz PC with 64 MB RAM and 10 GB HD old PC. I've got so far after 5 hours, but for the past 2-3 hours its been 'configuring language-pack-en-base' it's hung, although the hard drive is going......any ideas??
[08:21] <the_d0ct0r> Is it still hanging?
[08:56] <mcisbackuk> yes ty:)
[10:26] <mcisbackuk> Hi all, I'm having a MAJOR problem installing Xubuntu on a 233MHz PC with 64 MB RAM and 10 GB HD old PC. I've got so far after 5 hours, but for the past 2-3 hours its been 'configuring language-pack-en-base' it's hung, although the hard drive is going......any ideas??
[10:26] <qense> is the computer still responding
[10:26] <qense> ?
[10:27] <mcisbackuk> Yes, the hard drive is going, its just been stuck on that for ell over 2 hours now...
[10:27] <qense> what's at the end of the file /var/log/messages ?
[10:28] <qense> or /var/log/syslog
[10:33] <mcisbackuk> cant access it while using alternate install....or i don't know how...
[10:36] <mcisbackuk> i know this is a bug channel, but how is it actually going to run, GUI or text??
[10:38] <qense> GUI
[10:38] <qense> I suppose
[10:39] <qense> unless you're using the server cd
[10:39] <qense> or selected the text-mode option
[10:39] <mcisbackuk> qense: OK kewl well thanks for the help i'll have a look around see if i can sort it out...thnks again!!
[11:32] <copyofjohan> hi, I have a Thinkpad with Intel Wifi an GBit-LAN. When switching off Wifi every second Ping takes over a second (1000 + x ms). Is that a Bug?
[11:32] <laga> i wonder if that's a routing problem?
[11:35] <copyofjohan> but the effect vanishes when I switch on (not use it) the Wifi-adapter.
[11:36] <copyofjohan> 19 packets transmitted, 19 received, 0% packet loss, time 112369ms
[11:36] <copyofjohan> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 52.266/542.419/1011.744/442.056 ms, pipe 2
[11:53] <aaad> Should I file bug 226431 against networkmanager?
[11:56] <qense|lunch> yeah, I think that would be good
[11:57] <ogra> no
[11:57] <qense> ok :)
[11:57] <ogra> you ansered that in the bug text already ;)
[11:57] <ogra> *answered
[11:57] <qense> :P of course, my bad
[11:58] <ogra> ..."and the capslocklamp on my laptop start to blink (think it measns kernel panic)"
[11:58] <ogra> file it against the linux package
[11:58] <ogra> seems like a driver issue
[11:58] <qense> I'd also attach /var/log/kern.log
[11:59] <aaad> oh..forgot to say that I can connect manually when the wlan is not in that roamingmode..should put that in too
[12:01] <aaad> Does that not mean it is not a driverissue?
[12:03] <qense> it's probably a driver issue, but the drivers are mostly kernel modules
[12:03] <qense> you should say that too :)
[12:04] <aaad> done! thanks for helping :)
[12:06] <qense> ok
[12:23] <qense> Is NTP causing the problems in bug 226410 ?
[12:23] <qense> I've got the feeling NTP causes a lot of troubles with networking
[12:25] <afflux> morning
[12:27] <qense> hello
[13:08] <qense> is a request to rename a package a wishlist?
[13:10] <afflux> I guess that depends on the reason
[13:11] <qense> I think it's low, it's about the libflashsupport package
[13:11] <qense> I reread the importance page at the wiki
[13:11] <qense> (bug 219507)
[13:11] <qense> it's not really a good name since it jsut adds support for pulseaudio
[13:12] <afflux> not sure about that one, guess around low/wishlist
[13:13] <qense> ah, it's not that important I guess
[13:13] <afflux> oh, "apt-cache search flash pulseaudio" finds the package
[13:13] <afflux> I think wishlist then.
[13:13] <qense> but in synaptic or add/remove?
[13:14] <qense> but the problem is that when you're a computer novice you probably won't search for pulseaudio but for sound
[13:15] <qense> the lib doesn't show up in add/remove
[13:15] <qense> is it installed by default?
[13:15] <qense> (when flashplayer-nonfree is installed)
[13:34] <afflux> no it's not
[13:34] <afflux> oh wait
[13:34] <qense> it's advised by the package
[13:34] <qense> not required
[13:35] <afflux> yeah, right. Probably not enough. Not sure whether it would fit for a "recommends:"
[13:35] <qense> yeah, I'd have set it as a dependency
[13:46] <joumetal> bug 219655 Is it better to confirm xulrunner or language-pack-gnome-fi task?
[14:37] <qense> is there a way to get an overview of all functions in python-launchpad-integration?
[14:42] <qense> is there a page that explains everything about licenses and why we don't install closed codecs by default?
[15:20] <qense> Is there a function overview of python-launchpad-integration?
[15:32] <albert23> qense: for licenses this page? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing
[15:32] <qense> thanks
[16:23] <qense> can anyone here confirm this: bugs 226517 ?
[16:23] <qense> I can't
[16:28] <mrooney> qense: I can confirm that here
[16:28] <mrooney> exactly the same as described
[16:29] <qense> ok
[16:29] <qense> please do so in the report :)
[16:29] <qense> it's all yours :)
[16:38] <Iulian> It's working fine here.
[16:39] <qense> mrooney: are you using 32bit?
[16:39] <qense> i'm using amd64
[16:39] <mrooney> qense: 32
[16:40] <qense> do you think that would make a difference?
[16:40] <qense> Iulian: what are you using?
[16:42] <Iulian> 32 too
[16:43] <qense> weird
[16:45] <Iulian> It's reported upstream for more than a year now.
[16:48] <qense> ok
[16:48] <qense> so it's probably a dub
[18:47] <mrooney> does anyone know of a page explaining launchpad janitor, I can't seem to find one
[18:47] <LaserJock> there's not a ton to explain I don't think
[18:47] <mrooney> well, what can it do and what do I put in my commit messages to have it do it
[18:47] <mrooney> and, is it automatically active for all launchpad projects
[18:48] <mrooney> I guess those are my questions.
[18:48] <LaserJock> you mean for bugs?
[18:48] <mrooney> yes indeed
[18:49] <LaserJock> basically after 60 days of no activity after a bug has been set as Incomplete the Janitor flags it
[18:49] <ogra> hey LaserJock
[18:49] <mrooney> but it also marks things as fix released automatically if you do something like (LP: 232923) or something in the commit messages
[18:49] <mrooney> doesn't it? that is what I am trying to figure out
[18:50] <LaserJock> ohh
[18:50] <LaserJock> that's sort of a different thing to me
[18:50] <ogra> right
[18:50] <LaserJock> you need to have LP: #<bug number> in the changelog and it will close the bug
[18:52] <mrooney> LaserJock: so it will make it Fix Released? or Fix Committed?
[18:52] <LaserJock> Fix Released
[18:53] <LaserJock> well, what are you "commiting"?
[18:53] <greg-g> Fix Committed is when the fix is in the code, but not packaged and released in Ubuntu
[18:54] <LaserJock> yeah, but the auto-closes is fro package uploads
[18:54] <LaserJock> I *think* that's what we're talking about
[18:54] <greg-g> right
[18:54] <LaserJock> but I'm not positive
[18:55] <greg-g> fix committed is set by a human, fix released is set by a human or the janitor
[18:55] <ogra> dont you be so negative !
[18:55] <LaserJock> greg-g: there's some work going on automating the Fix Commited too
[18:55] <greg-g> really? with branches and such?
[18:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:55] <greg-g> cool
[18:55] <LaserJock> but it's rather tricky
[18:56] <greg-g> yeah, I can imagine
[18:56] <LaserJock> just because somebody commits something with LP: # doesn't mean it's an actual fix or it's gonna get picked up by the distro
[18:56] <greg-g> yep
[18:57] <laga> only if it's in debian/changelog maybe?
[18:57] <LaserJock> even still
[18:57] <LaserJock> although the point was to find branches that fix the bug
[18:57] <mrooney> LaserJock: I guess that is my question. When I do a pzr push, I would love it to automatically mark it as Committed, but not Released since it hasn't been packaged necessarily or put in any version, etc
[18:58] <LaserJock> mrooney: that's not currently possible
[18:58] <LaserJock> mrooney: right now Janitor just closes bugs when they are uploaded to Ubuntu
[18:58] <mrooney> LaserJock: fair enough
[18:59] <LaserJock> mrooney: Fix Commited via bzr might work out well for Projects
[18:59]  * greg-g nods
[18:59] <LaserJock> but for Ubuntu it's very tricky
[18:59] <LaserJock> we'd want to have associated branches
[19:00] <LaserJock> so that we look at specific branches to set Fix Commited
[19:04] <mrooney> LaserJock: yeah, I was asking partially because I just set up my own project on Launchpad and had no idea what the Janitor would do to my project, if anything, and how to control it
[19:04] <mrooney> I do agree that Fix Committed via bzr pushes would be really neat
[19:05] <LaserJock> mrooney: I don't think it'd do much of anything
[19:05] <LaserJock> *except* it may work on Incomplete bugs
[19:05] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how it works with Projects right now, but I think it may flag bugs that've been Incomplete for 60-days without activity
[19:11] <mrooney> okay, cool
[19:12] <mrooney> LaserJock: do you see now why a wiki page or something might be useful? :)
[19:12] <LaserJock> mrooney: sure, but they aren't done working on the Janitor
[19:12] <mrooney> though I guess it would be more launchpad itself than ubuntu
[19:12] <LaserJock> I'm guessing that's why there's not a lot of documentation
[19:12] <LaserJock> yes
[19:12] <mrooney> well we aren't done working on Ubuntu either
[19:12] <mrooney> haha
[19:13] <LaserJock> there's really not anything to document on Janitor for Ubuntu
[20:51] <cool> hey guys
[20:53] <cool> is anyone up here, i want to discuss bug #226619. is wanted to confirm if its really a bug
[21:56] <JohnPhys> Is there anyone in here that works with the xine-ui package that can look at Bug #226637?  It's just a request for a gnome menu change from "xine" to something like "Xine Movie Player" to be more compatible with the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines.  This is a regression from Gutsy.
[21:59] <crimsun> JohnPhys: heh.
[21:59] <crimsun> well, yes, it's pretty straightforward, but why not fix the Comment entry while one's at it?
[21:59] <JohnPhys> crimsun: comment entry?
[21:59] <crimsun> e.g., from 'Comment=Video Player' to 'Comment=Play movies and music'
[22:00] <JohnPhys> ah
[22:00] <crimsun> both are GNOME HIG points anyhow.
[22:00] <JohnPhys> heh, sounds good to me, I just happened to notice the menu entry had changed
[22:00] <crimsun> I'm not sure it's worth an SRU, however.
[22:01] <JohnPhys> SRU = ?   Standard Release Update?
[22:01] <crimsun> wiki/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:02] <crimsun> I will, however, generate a patch and push it upstream to Debian
[22:03] <JohnPhys> crimsun:  Thanks.  I wasn't sure what the SRU policy was, e.g. if small ultra-low risk updates could be pushed through or not.
[22:04] <crimsun> unintrusive fixes of functional differences should be, yes.
[22:04] <JohnPhys> yeah....this one isn't so much "functional" as it is just a clarification, I guess
[22:04] <JohnPhys> anyway, thanks again.
[22:05] <JohnPhys> I'm surprised noone did that with Transmission before hardy was released
[22:05] <LaserJock> if it affected documentation I might consider iy
[22:05] <LaserJock> *it
[22:05] <crimsun> I'll work on a patch in a few minutes when I get to another coffee shop.
[22:11] <JohnPhys> LaserJock/crimsun:  Thanks again for your help/assistance, it's greatly appreciated.
[22:17] <luser_> hi im having the EDS cpu usage bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/evolution-data-server/+bug/151536 if anyone can tell me what info to post ill be happy to :)
[22:43] <hggdh> luser_: how many CPUs you have, how you found it
[22:44] <hggdh> luser_: and, of course, if you are willing to debug and zero in the bug ... ;-) feel welcome (I do not have it, not matter what I try)
[22:45] <luser_> ok i posted that info, not much of a trick to finding it, just running system monitor shows the process is maxxing my cpu for no good reason :D
[22:45] <luser_> im happy to provide more info but i don't know what else to include...
[22:46] <hggdh> luser_: so far, what I have been able to gather from the various reports is it happens very early in Evo startup
[22:47] <hggdh> but why/where/how, I cannot yet find :-(
[22:47] <hggdh> I initially thought it was restricted to single-cpu systems, but we got some reports on dual-cpu, so that's not it.
[22:48] <hggdh> the only thing still pending is I have heard of no user hit running linux64
[22:48]  * hggdh thinks
[22:48] <crimsun> JohnPhys: should be fixed soonish.
[22:49] <luser_> yup it began right after login, has happened at least once before but beyond that im clueless as to what might cause this :D
[22:50] <JohnPhys> crimsun:  Thanks :)
[23:05] <cool> is anyone up here, i want to discuss bug #226619. is wanted to confirm if its really a bug
[23:15] <crimsun> cool: which kernel are you using?
[23:15] <cool> default one, which comes in hardy.
[23:15] <cool> 2.6.24-16-generic
[23:15] <crimsun> cool: i.e., can you reproduce the symptom on the -17-generic kernel that is in hardy-proposed?
[23:15] <crimsun> so, no.
[23:16] <crimsun> right, so enable hardy-proposed, update and full-upgrade
[23:16] <cool> k
[23:16]  * cool is updating
[23:17] <cool> crimsun, i was having this problem on gutsy also, i asked her. then some soul like asked me to upgarde to hardy
[23:17] <cool> so i did a Clean install
[23:18] <cool> OMG, so many updates
[23:18] <cool> it will take around 10-15 minutes
[23:20] <crimsun> that's fine.  Please leave feedback on that bug report.
[23:21] <cool> crimsun, there is one problem
[23:21] <cool> How do i simulate excessive I/O and then Record it in logs?
[23:22] <crimsun> cool: that bug report lists three points for reproducibility
[23:22] <crimsun> cool: just choose one and comment if it still applies in -17-generic
[23:23] <cool> hmm, FYI i am the original bug reporter
[23:23] <cool> but the main problem is bug is completely random
[23:24] <cool> expect it does come with firefox issue BUG #215728
[23:25] <cool> My best bet would be to reproduce it via #215728
[23:25] <cool> Thanks you for your time, crimsun
[23:25] <cool> Its Appreciated
[23:25] <cool> will post a feedback soon
[23:28]  * calc is installing xp pro sp3 :)
[23:29] <JohnPhys> calc:  I'm all about beta-testing for ubuntu, but never for MS :)
[23:31] <cool> Damn, why can't i swap kernel on the Fly
[23:31] <cool> i just hate reboots
[23:31] <JohnPhys> cool:  there was an article on slashdot and lxer recently about patching the kernel on the fly, looked neat.
[23:32] <cool> Wish, it reaches from Theory to Production state soon
[23:33]  * cool YAWNS
[23:33] <calc> JohnPhys: the final one is out :) but yea i need it for testing OOo stuff
[23:33] <calc> iirc it the final integrated iso was released ~ may 2
[23:33] <calc> s/it//
[23:33] <cool> gtg i need to catch some sleep
[23:33] <cool> bye guys
[23:33] <cool> take care
[23:34] <JohnPhys> calc:  Aha, I see. And I don't consider any patch by MS "out" until it hits windows update, because that is the point at which most people are getting it and testing it :)
[23:35] <calc> JohnPhys: i don't recall when they intend on pushing it on windows update, it is available everywhere but there now for certain
[23:36] <calc> hmm its supposedly already available through windows udpate but i didn't see it on my wife's computer
[23:37] <calc> windows gets crufty enough that i don't do sp updates through windows update anyway, i just reinstall using the integrated build
[23:37] <JohnPhys> calc:  Yeah, I just updated through windows update earlier today and it wasn't there.  I hate doing full reinstalls due to all of the product key issues.
[23:38] <calc> heh :)
[23:38] <JohnPhys> which is why I love ubuntu, breezy->dapper->edgy->feisty->gutsy on my desktop :)
[23:38] <calc> all i run on my copy of xp is Office 2007 and OOo upstream build
[23:38]  * calc fresh installs ubuntu as well to keep it less crufty ;-)
[23:39] <calc> i usually only reinstall ubuntu once per cycle though
[23:39] <JohnPhys> Heh, I'm just interested in how long I can keep the upgrades going at this point :)
[23:39] <calc> also helps to test to make sure the installer works properly
[23:40]  * calc doesn't even keep computers long enough to upgrade that many times :)
[23:40] <JohnPhys> that's why I have a separate partition for testing :)  It's running hardy now.  It also lets me test the apps I use and the features I use for any issues (which is why I haven't upgraded from gutsy yet)
[23:40] <JohnPhys> lol, well grad school keeps me poor, so I keep them that long :)
[23:41] <calc> heh :)
[23:41] <calc> i've been eyeing those new intel Q9xxx quad cores, but can't convince myself to spend the money
[23:42] <JohnPhys> yeah, intel's done some awesome stuff lately.  I use an AMD64 on my desktop, but I switched to intel on the laptop because every laptop that ran AMD came with broadcom wireless, and I didn't want to deal with that.
[23:42] <calc> yep, amd apparently is going back to do another arch redesign to try to catch up to the core 2 line aiui
[23:43] <JohnPhys> I hope they can do it, the competition they gave intel's earlier lines resulted in intel giving us the Core2, which rules
[23:43] <calc> yea
[23:45] <calc> a fresh install of xp takes so little ram, too bad it bloats up so fast
[23:45] <calc> < 120MB ram on a fresh system
[23:45] <JohnPhys> not bad
[23:45] <JohnPhys> though necessary for a 7-8 year old os
[23:45] <calc> vista actually isn't too bad if you clean install it without any OEM junk on it
[23:46] <calc> it still uses a lot more ram though
[23:46] <JohnPhys> lol i have to disagree with you there, vista is awful
[23:46] <JohnPhys> I gotta wait forever for it to be usable on my laptop
[23:46] <JohnPhys> and I cleaned that thing out when I first got it
[23:46] <calc> my laptop had vista preinstalled and it was really really slow, was doing > 1MB/s io even an hour after booted
[23:46] <JohnPhys> wow
[23:46] <calc> fresh installed it and it was done with all io within a couple minutes
[23:47] <JohnPhys> better, I gess
[23:47] <JohnPhys> how did you fresh install?
[23:47] <calc> so a lot of the vista is crap stories has more to do with the fact OEM's install junk on it
[23:47] <calc> JohnPhys: lemme find the url :)
[23:47] <calc> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=120228/
[23:47] <calc> there you go
[23:48] <calc> it doesn't bypass activation, it uses the original key from your laptop which doesn't need activation
[23:48] <calc> so you can install vista without any other junk on it :)
[23:48] <calc> i had to use vista to try to replicate the issues with the load_cycle_count issue people have been reporting
[23:49] <calc> turns out it appears to be a bug in drive firmware as was originally thought, though i am still discussing with hitachi (about my particular drive)
[23:50] <calc> but something hitachi said indicated we have a bug as well
[23:50] <crimsun> "we" being the gutsy/hardy kernel?
[23:50] <calc> crimsun: not in the kernel but the fact that we don't set the standby timer to something useful
[23:51] <calc> crimsun: the bug on their side appears that even if i do set the standby timer the drive ignores it
[23:51] <crimsun> whereas $other_distro does?
[23:51] <crimsun> interesting.
[23:51] <calc> crimsun: oh i doubt other do it either
[23:51] <JohnPhys> calc:  thanks for the link, I'll look into that.
[23:51] <calc> crimsun: i'm still waiting to hear back from hitachi about why setting the standby timer doesn't help when they told me it should
[23:52] <calc> from what they told me the drives apparently park immediately unless the standby timer is set to something higher (would probably need to be 15s or more for linux)
[23:52] <calc> since at least on Ubuntu we tend to have bursty io
[23:54] <calc> i think windows users typically don't see it for two reasons, they don't have smart utilities, and windows seems to not ever stop writing to disk unless you clean up your system, so can't park the heads ever
[23:54] <calc> but i have found reports that windows and macos x users have seen the same problems on various drives, so it definitely isn't isolated to ubuntu or linux
[23:55] <calc> i'm not sure if windows sets the standby timer or not, but so far it looks like my drive doesn't work properly even with standby timer set


[15:27] <sadmac2> Keybuk: for the lists, what if we swapped the prev and next pointers for cursors?
[15:28] <sadmac2> if list->next->prev != self (list->next is a cursor)
[15:30] <Keybuk> huh?
[15:31] <sadmac2> Keybuk: for cursors, cursor->next points to the previous element, and cursor->prev points to the next. We can detect this condition easily. if list->next->prev != list then list->next is a cursor
[15:32] <Keybuk> there's lots of ways like that
[15:32] <Keybuk> but they all invalidate the list in such a way that you can't just iterate on list->next
[15:35] <sadmac2> Keybuk: well, in the list head right now, the ordering is the only bit of information that isn't used
[15:35] <sadmac2> well, it is used, but that can be parted with
[15:36] <Keybuk> ?
[15:37] <sadmac2> Keybuk: if you're serious about making this multithreaded one day, I suggest you just add the flag variable, because you're going to have to put a semaphore in the list head later anyway, so the space is going to get used.
[15:38] <Keybuk> the flag still means you have to know about cursors
[15:38] <Keybuk> which means an nih_list_next () and nih_list_prev () function
[15:38] <Keybuk> (that know how to skip over them)
[15:38] <sadmac2> macros more like
[15:38] <sadmac2> and that's the nature of the problem
[15:38] <sadmac2> the stock linked list just doesn't display reentrant behavior
[15:38] <Keybuk> they have to be while loops
[15:39] <Keybuk> with a temporary variable at least
[15:40] <Keybuk> for (NihList *ptr = iter; ptr != iter && nih_list_is_cursor (ptr); ptr = ptr->next)
[15:40] <Keybuk>     ;
[15:41] <sadmac2> Keybuk: you're next solution, from what I can gather, is to drop linked lists altogether. I can solve these sorts of issues slightly better with an auto-array
[15:50] <Keybuk> how does that help?
[15:53] <Keybuk> at the point you're not using a linked list, you're in strange territory that's rarely worth bothering with
[17:07] <sadmac2> what??
[17:08] <sadmac2> an auto array helps because next and prev can be calculated for items that have gone out of existence
[17:08] <sadmac2> prev for foo[i] is foo[i-1]
[17:09] <sadmac2> and I really don't think linked list are that special
[17:32] <ion_> #define NIH_LIST_FOREACH_SAFE(list, i)                      \
[17:32] <ion_>   for (NihList *_copy_##i = nih_list_dup (list), *_##i = 0; \
[17:32] <ion_>        *(int *)&_##i < 2; ++ *(int *)&_##i)                 \
[17:32] <ion_>     if (*(int *)&_##i == 1) nih_free (_copy_##i);           \
[17:32] <ion_>     else NIH_LIST_FOREACH (_copy_##i, i)
[17:34] <ion_> Wait. No, it wouldn’t work.
[17:40] <ion_> I didn’t think far enough. :-)
[17:55] <Keybuk> heh, copy the list?
[17:55] <Keybuk> has the same basic problem, you can't free the current or next pointer
[17:56] <sadmac2> I don't think linked lists are right here
[17:56] <Keybuk> sadmac2: any option has the same fundamental problem
[17:57] <sadmac2> Keybuk: Ordered vector + iterators listed in head structure fixes it
[17:58] <Keybuk> ?!
[17:58] <sadmac2> remove(list, x) { list.values[x] = list.values[--list.size]; for( k in list.iters) { if k >= x; k-- } }
[17:59] <sadmac2> being able to iterate by an index number rather than a pointer has its advantages
[17:59] <Keybuk> which means you can't reference from anywhere else
[17:59] <Keybuk> because the pointer to the object changes
[17:59] <Keybuk> so you have to refer by index *everywhere*
[17:59] <Keybuk> Job * becomes guint32 job_idx
[18:00] <sadmac2> not quite everywhere
[18:00] <sadmac2> only where list location is relevant
[18:00] <Keybuk> no, everywhere
[18:00] <Keybuk> because the pointer will change if you move it in the array
[18:00] <sadmac2> Keybuk: ah, but you can still have a list head in the objects
[18:00] <Keybuk> if you have a list head, then it's a linked list
[18:00] <Keybuk> not a vector
[18:00] <sadmac2> foojob->list_idx
[18:01] <sadmac2> the head contains a pointer to a parent list and its index number therein
[18:01] <Keybuk> vectors are also insanely expensive to do inserts on
[18:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I just did it in O(1)
[18:01] <Keybuk> it's O(len list)
[18:01] <sadmac2> Keybuk: its only expensive if you preserve order
[18:02] <Keybuk> your above was not O(1)
[18:02] <sadmac2> it was O(1 + num iters)
[18:02] <Keybuk> which leaves holes in the list
[18:03] <sadmac2> no
[18:03] <sadmac2> to remove 1) remove last element 2) put it back on top of the element you want gone 3) count--
[18:03] <Keybuk> that doesn't preserve order
[18:03] <sadmac2> nope
[18:04]  * Keybuk is writing an init daemon, not a STL
[18:04] <sadmac2> well you've seen all the defects of all the possible solutions
[18:04] <sadmac2> which one do you want to live with?
[18:05] <Keybuk> honestly, I don't have a problem with the solution we had before
[18:05] <sadmac2> which is?
[18:05] <Keybuk> I still can't see why you're affected by it
[18:05] <Keybuk> cache the next pointer
[18:06] <sadmac2> fix my segfaults plz
[18:06] <Keybuk> you haven't filed any bugs
[18:06] <Keybuk> nor have you attached any core files
[18:06] <Keybuk> or stack traces
[18:06] <Keybuk> etc.
[18:07] <sadmac2> notting: can you help here^^
[18:08] <notting> oof. basically, when exiting single user mode, we would get random crashes and segfaults
[18:08] <notting> but i don't have a trace with current code at the moment
[18:09] <sadmac2> notting: I don't think we've pushed anything new since 0.5.0 that would change this, and since it seems to be race-related, probably best to reproduce it on the code that failed
[18:11]  * sadmac2 goes to class
[18:21] <Keybuk> this is much easier in a reference/gc language :)
[18:26] <notting> init.js
[18:27] <Keybuk> init.cs
[18:30] <Keybuk> the real problem is just that the nih main loop code sucks
[18:30] <Keybuk> if I fix that, then the "best way to line up a series of data structures" debate goes away :p
[18:31] <ion_> Switch to... glib!
[18:31]  * ion_ ducks
[18:34] <Keybuk> tempting
[19:41] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I'm pretty sure we fixed the main looop
[19:41] <sadmac2> we were getting an analogous issue elsewhere
[19:42] <sadmac2> the fix wasn't great I grant you, but I think that instance of the bug went away
[19:42] <Keybuk> given the main loop is the only place this pattern is used, it might simply be not in the loop functions
[19:42] <Keybuk> ie in the timer or child or signal code
[19:42] <Keybuk> by "fix the main loop" I include those
[19:42] <sadmac2> Keybuk: the other option is to do your multiparent allocator and fix it that way
[19:43] <Keybuk> I believe by doing both, I can eliminate all uses of _SAFE in the first place
[19:43] <sadmac2> Keybuk: i.e. instead of caching the next pointer, the loop simply becomes a parent as it iterates
[19:43] <sadmac2> yes


[00:07] <genii> FoxBook: There is a way to correct it on this guy's run-through of installing Xubuntu on that model https://www.bobjohnson.com/blog/adventures-with-linux-xubuntu-on-a-toughbook-cf18/
[00:08] <CrazyLikeAFox> genii: Oh thank you, Ill give that a read through (this is my main laptop)
[00:09] <CrazyLikeAFox> my particular one is a mk5, but stff for the 4 should still apply
[00:09] <genii> It's fairly comprehensive and well-written, from what I've read of it so far
[00:10] <CrazyLikeAFox> yeah, looks like just the ticket, but it address all my issues
[00:11] <CrazyLikeAFox> other main issue is, I need something to read the old HDD to do a bitwise type copy over to the new larger ssd
[00:12] <CrazyLikeAFox> then I should be able to use gparted to add a partition into the blank space and fix the mbr if need be
[03:11] <CrazyLikeAFox> Oh, I got the usb drive cradle to work, and got the old drive migrated in- sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sda (it took a bit over 2 hours to push 60gb over usb 2.0)
[03:12] <CrazyLikeAFox> Hrm, I need to figure out how to get the windows bootloader to invoke xubuntu though
[03:51] <genii> No, rather you should use GRUB to choose between your installed operating systems. Windows bootloader does not know about any other operating systems except Windows
[04:40] <tomreyn> i think you can actually convince it to boot another efi boot code such as grub's stub
[04:42] <tomreyn> for a multi boot system wihch involves an OS which is notorious for just overwriting things it doesn't know about, going with this systesm's boot loader could actually be an option (if it doesn't loose the boot loader configuration also when it overwrites it)
[04:44] <CrazyLikeAFox> I did find a couple different approaches, but ti looks like the windows vista+7 loader (win7 partition has the boot flag and is the primary OS of the laptop) and no uefi is the ideal case to make it work
[04:44] <CrazyLikeAFox> and that is my current case
[04:44] <CrazyLikeAFox> but that'll be tomorrow or this weekend
[09:35] <lilililil> hi i was trying to install xubuntu but got an error,.,. it says that the grub-efi-amd64-signed failed and the installation just broke, ive been getting a lot of problems with installing linux (any kinda) on my acer, what should i do, i am new to this.
[11:16] <DarkTrick> Wouldn't it be nice to have a "scroll distance setting" for mouse settings?
[11:17] <DarkTrick> Is this something for xubuntu or upstream?
[11:26] <well_laid_lawn> it depends on the program
[12:28] <DarkTrick> which programs are there?
[12:29] <DarkTrick> xinput, ... ?
[12:32] <brainwash> DarkTrick: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/issues/185
[12:50] <DarkTrick> brainwash: Thank you for the link
[12:51] <DarkTrick> It seems like they are just testing a libinput implementation
[12:52] <DarkTrick> I'm not sure if libinput is the right place, but I'll wait and hope
[13:00] <brainwash> DarkTrick: there are links to other report too
[13:00] <brainwash> reports
[13:00] <brainwash> but I've only read the bare minimum
[13:01] <DarkTrick> I have to admit to also skipped the middle parts.
[13:01] <DarkTrick> It seems like a long discussion over the years
[18:55] <xubuntu20w> Hello, my apologies if this is the wrong channel, feel free to redirect me. I am running Xubuntu Voyager GS, but it doesn't seem very smooth at switching between user profiles. Things work great for the first profile to log in, but when I switch to the next user, it defaults to a low resolution with no option to change it.
[18:58] <diogenes_> xubuntu20w, rename .config dir for that user.


[10:45] <davew> Hi , I installed 9.04 Ubuntu but it appears to have bugs in Thin Client Manager and  the Profile Editor. Could someone confirm that these were non existent in the earlier version and should I go back to this version ?
[10:51] <davew> Would add that I patched the Thin Client Manager, but I am not sure that there is a fix for Sabayon
[11:01] <nubae> davew, thin client manager is deprecated
[11:01] <nubae> and profile editor is known to have bugs (you may have more luck using the updates from the PPA)
[11:01] <nubae> instead of thin client manager use iTalc
[11:03] <davew> Thanks nubae - since I am new to all this who or what is the PPA and is iTalc "built in"
[11:07] <nubae> sudo apt-get install italc for italc
[11:07] <davew> Have to disappear for an hour or so but would like to chat with you later. Urgency is that I am setting up a system for 30 Thin clients. I have a working server but have to have the profile control and administration which is really what it is all about.
[11:08] <nubae> and PPA = personal package archive, do a search for ppa and sabayon
[11:08] <nubae> that should bring it up (sabayon = profile manager)
[11:09] <davew> O.K. Will do just that when I come back and see how far I get. Many thanks !
[18:41] <Lns> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/08/05/1625257/Whats-In-an-Educational-Game
[22:41] <qimo> sooo ... after using xubuntu for a week standalone on the same pc's that the ltsp server was serving too, it makes more sense for me to run xubuntu on these rather than ltsp and use LDAP with NFS
[22:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> was i away too long?
[22:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> either i have something mis-configured on ltsp or it's just a bad idea (tm)
[22:45] <ace_suares1> hey... look at this: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2905&tag=nl.e623 (the state of edubuntu)
[23:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> ace_suares1: my experience has been mixed
[23:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> but when the standalone works better than any client did, i'm seriously looking into something else
[23:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> even a daily go around and type in update, safe-upgrade every day would have been less time spent then what i spent on ltsp
[23:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> nn