[06:52] <Isotop7> how am i able to set static ip on my arale? i tried editing the network profile in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections but changes have not been applied....
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <Isotop7> how can i sign a static ip to my arale? i tried editing the network profile in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections but changes were not applied....
[07:30] <ogra_> you need to make network manager reload the config ... there is an nmcli command for that
[08:27] <abeato> Laney, morning, the packages in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww are not built for arm, is it possible to enable arm builds in that PPA?
[08:30] <VincentInPC> hello, I just figured that my Market and Update no longer works, any idea?
[08:31] <pragomer> can I run ubuntu-touch on my "htc one x endeavoru" almost stable?
[08:35] <Laney> hi abeato, I guess so
[08:35] <pragomer> ok, I see... state of things..https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/endeavoru
[08:35] <Laney> but you can test (at least the build) on i386
[08:35] <pragomer> so I think NO.. :-(
[08:36] <abeato> Laney, well, I can build, but not test :)
[08:37] <Laney> abeato: have you got it building yet? i.e. is this urgent?
[08:38] <abeato> Laney, not yet, so not extremely urget
[08:38] <abeato> *urgent
[08:38] <abeato> but would be nice to get it built for arm too
[08:39] <Laney> yes
[08:39] <Laney> I'll file a question
[08:39] <Laney> vs. pinging someone
[08:40] <abeato> Laney, ok, thanks
[08:51] <VincentInPC> My Ubuntu Market is empty, why?
[08:51] <VincentInPC> I can't find any solution )(
[08:51] <VincentInPC> =(
[08:57] <davmor2> VincentInPC: which device?
[09:00] <VincentInPC> Aquaris E4.5
[09:00] <davmor2> VincentInPC: are you connected to the web?  Open a browser  and navigate to ubuntu.com
[09:01] <VincentInPC> yes I can use any other app (twitter e.g)
[09:01] <davmor2> VincentInPC: have you modified the system at all, made it writeable etc?
[09:02] <VincentInPC> yes :) I've sync my calendar and address book
[09:02] <VincentInPC> so I used a command to mount /dev/loop0
[09:03] <davmor2> VincentInPC: is that from own cloud or something?
[09:03] <VincentInPC> yes absolutly
[09:03] <VincentInPC> I've wrote a tutorial in french (but you should be able to read the comman lines) http://influence-pc.fr/03-07-2015-synchroniser-ses-contacts-et-calendrier-dubuntu-phone-via-owncloud-cosy-cloud
[09:08] <VincentInPC> davmor2: is it a known problem?
[09:08] <davmor2> VincentInPC: I don't think there is anything there that would entirely kill the store, you maybe best off having a word with dobey later today
[09:09] <davmor2> VincentInPC: he is in an american timezone so won't be on till this afternoon
[09:09] <VincentInPC> thank you davmor2 =)
[09:10] <VincentInPC> davmor2: could you tell dobey to contact me through my contact form in case I'm away/disconnected? http://influence-pc.fr/contact
[09:11] <VincentInPC> I'm not familiar with IRC
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Embrace Your Geekness Day! 😃
[12:09] <olli> dbarth, mardy... seeing a weird issue on r58/arale
[12:09] <olli> want to install an app, not logged into u1 account, going to accounts, adding the account, then being prompted for 2fa, added, account shows in list
[12:10] <olli> then back to store, attempting to install, "not logged in to u1", and see.. the account disappeared
[12:11] <ogra_> someone else had issues above with the store today
[12:12] <dbarth> olli: hi
[12:12] <dbarth> olli: do you have somethign in syslog?
[12:13] <dbarth> olli: or in, unity8/scopes logs that would look suspicious
[12:15] <olli> dbarth, mom, got issues getting onto the device
[12:16] <olli> .oO(where is the terminal app when you need it;)
[12:16] <ogra_> haha
[12:16] <ogra_> som eproject manager asked for its removal once :P
[12:17] <olli> we need push install from the store
[12:18] <ogra_> heh, you just need to turn ssh on and have your key on the device
[12:18] <ogra_> (especially on arale with its awful USB )
[12:18] <dbarth> ogra_: especially on arale
[12:18] <ogra_> yeah
[12:18] <olli> ogra_, that'd require to know your ip
[12:19] <olli> hm, I suppose it'd work if I am not on wifi though
[12:19] <ogra_> true ... now *that* should be shown in system-settings somewhere
[12:19] <dbarth> olli: can you reproduce 100%?
[12:19] <olli> dbarth, I could
[12:19] <olli> but... as you see ... flaky device
[12:19] <dbarth> i know
[12:19] <olli> let me try to get on it and dig through logs
[12:21] <davmor2> olli: ip address on wifi is easy to find, enter system settings, wifi, tap on the arrow box of the connection, not sure about 3g though
[12:22] <olli> davmor2 to the rescue
[12:22] <olli> thx
[12:26] <mardy> olli: in some cases, when the U1 libraries detect an error on the account, they just silently remove the account
[12:26]  * ogra_ wonders if the new 2fa policy might actually break phone usage for all canonicalers
[12:26] <mardy> olli: dobey should know better when this can happen, and how to debug it
[12:27] <olli> ogra_, same suspicion here
[12:27] <olli> beuno, ^
[12:28] <dbarth> hmm, then that should be reproducible on all phones
[12:28] <ogra_> perhaps only with new acocunts ?
[12:28] <dbarth> and that could be that infamous problem with the SF integration at the end of the signup process
[12:29] <ogra_> i could imagine as long as the device token is valid you wont run into issues ...
[12:29] <dbarth> i just removed my u1 account; wish me luck
[12:29] <ogra_> only when re-authing the account or newly creating one on the phone
[12:29] <ogra_> (but i'm only speculating wildly )
[12:30] <dbarth> hmm, no; i was already with 2fa for a long time
[12:30] <olli> allowing to uninstall an app while not being logged into U1 also seems like an interesting approach
[12:31] <dbarth> well, at least i can re-create an u1 account on mako/r249
[12:33] <davmor2> dbarth: olli dobey reproduced on my ota4 dogfood phone that has lots of apps installed from before the change but now I get kicked each time I try and install something new, the only change is the 2fa
[12:34] <olli> davmor2, kicked as in not being able to add a u1 account?
[12:35] <beuno> olli, ogra_, why would it break?  the phone supports 2fa
[12:35] <ogra_> beuno, with a fixed device token, right ?
[12:35] <davmor2> olli: as in I tap on install, I'm told my account is bad, tap on sign in, go back to install the app and the app is takes me back to there is a problem with your account
[12:35] <beuno> ogra_, what's a fixed device token?
[12:36] <ogra_> beuno, because all of SSO was changed to alway require 2fa for canonicalers ...
[12:36] <olli> beuno, fact is it doesn't work for me and davmor2
[12:36] <ogra_> beuno, i thought there is a token on the device that doesnt change for a while
[12:36] <olli> beuno, trying to figure out why
[12:36] <beuno> olli, as in, it stopped working?
[12:36] <beuno> the token might have gotten invalidated today as part of the password resets
[12:36] <davmor2> beuno: as in I can't install anything it keeps removing my account
[12:37] <beuno> the device should cope with invalid oauth tokens, I filed a bug a year ago and it's marked as fixed
[12:37] <olli> beuno, I deleted an app, added a U1 account (saw it pop up on list), then trying to reinstall app, store tells me there is no u1 accoutn, and la voila, accounts doesn't show the account anymore
[12:37] <beuno> oh
[12:37] <beuno> hm
[12:37] <ogra_> just install the deb
[12:37]  * ogra_ hides
[12:38]  * olli snaps at ogra
[12:38] <davmor2> beuno: yes it tells me there is a problem with my account, removes the old one and asks me to sign in again, hence the loop
[12:38] <beuno> davmor2, so we need someone to debug that on the client, let us know what the error is
[12:38] <beuno> nothing I can think of in our changes should cause this
[12:38] <olli> davmor2, aren't you on vacation (warning, favor to file bug is coming along)
[12:39] <olli> beuno, it'd have shown in your testing right ;)
[12:39] <davmor2> olli: no I'm in but lunch is called I can deal with it after that
[12:39] <beuno> olli, well, 2fa has been on for a week now
[12:39]  * olli can't even grasp how to test such a roll out
[12:39] <olli> davmor2, thx
[12:39] <beuno> olli, we make the changes, point phones against staging first
[12:39] <davmor2> olli: but only if you spell favour correctly for ever more :P
[12:39] <olli> davmor2, I can't get onot the device, otherwise I'd file myself
[12:39] <beuno> perform basic operations
[12:39] <beuno> deploy to prod
[12:39] <ogra_> olli, are you sure your account still works at all ?
[12:40]  * olli checks employment status
[12:40] <ogra_> might have fallen under the new password policy
[12:40] <davmor2> beuno: I'll give you a ping after lunch to see what you need
[12:41] <olli> ogra_, logging out & into one.u.c works just fine
[12:41] <beuno> maybe the new password length is being enforced and the client can't deal with it
[12:41] <beuno> ah
[12:41] <beuno> there goes that
[12:41] <ogra_> k
[12:41] <dbarth> sounds plausible
[12:42] <olli> but, considering that I can log in in the browser just fine I don't think that's the issue, is it?
[12:42] <ogra_> no
[12:42] <ogra_> if it was a pw lenght issue or some such the browser would have asked you to re-new it
[12:43] <beuno> right
[12:43] <seb128> just as a piece of info, my u1 account auth was invalidated (which the updates panel doesn't deal with btw) but trying to install something from the store prompted me for email/password/2fa and that worked, I managed to install mastermind and update some clicks
[12:43] <beuno> olli, ogra_, we are seeing tracebacks from prod due to slow network
[12:43] <beuno> that might be the issue as well
[12:43] <ogra_> ah
[12:44] <olli> beuno, in general or on my account?
[12:44] <beuno> olli, in general
[12:44] <olli> seb128, that is good to know!
[12:44] <beuno> https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=82894
[12:44] <ogra_> i obviously dont have any issues with my existing account on either of my phones
[12:45] <olli> alrighty, /me calls in davmor2's favour to add some more color to the issue
[12:45]  * ogra_ just installed something, worked just fine
[12:45] <olli> oki
[12:45] <beuno> er
[12:45] <beuno> https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=82850
[12:45] <beuno> is the RT
[12:47] <beuno> dbarth, it'd be good to see some client logs
[12:47] <beuno> so we can understand what the client sees
[12:47] <beuno> why it's in a loop
[12:48] <jgdx> seb128, hey, I have a flickable mr [1]. Currently running tests, but wanna take a look? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1470782/+merge/264551
[12:48] <seb128> jgdx, hey, sure
[12:49] <dbarth> olli: i'm still not on r53, but you can enable some debug logs for OA so we can see what goes wrong
[12:49] <olli> beuno, ironically ... https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg14106.html
[12:49] <jgdx> seb128, quite a lot of pages were missing flickables, which will just spawn more of these bugs. :) Let me know if you know of more affected pages.
[12:49] <dbarth> olli:  echo "LoggingLevel=2" > ~/.config/signond.conf and reboot
[12:49] <seb128> jgdx, right
[12:49] <dbarth> then send us your syslog
[12:50] <dbarth> (on canonical's pastebin, since it may have some sensitive data in it)
[12:50] <olli> dbarth, thx, I'll lean on davmor2 humor to add more color to the favour I asked and in all honor.. I think davmor2 will get the right infourmation into a bug
[12:50] <olli> trolololo
[12:55] <jgdx> olli, dbarth, seems a non-Canonical user is affected? From reading the mailing list
[12:57] <dbarth> uh :/
[12:57] <dbarth> let me check
[13:01] <jgdx> Elleo, hi :) How can I resolve this [1] error when running system settings on the desktop? I remember the MR, just not the details. :) [1] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11872317/
[13:04] <davmor2> olli: you favour right it's a step in the right direction :D
[13:04] <davmor2> you got even
[13:08] <kenvandine> seb128, good morning
[13:08] <davmor2> beuno, dobey, dbarth: I guess you guys are the ones I need to ping for testing and logs etc to grab right,  what do you need from my ota 4 device, I can also check on the ota5 image too for you in 1 moment
[13:08] <kenvandine> seb128, did you get a chance to look at those new packages?
[13:09] <beuno> davmor2, can you try again now?
[13:09] <beuno> there were some... changes
[13:09] <davmor2> beuno: sure one second
[13:10] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, yeah they look fine
[13:10] <kenvandine> great
[13:10] <kenvandine> seb128, the last 2 are in a silo ppa
[13:10] <davmor2> beuno: yes installing now
[13:10] <kenvandine> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-034
[13:10] <beuno> davmor2, so, works?
[13:11] <kenvandine> seb128, please check out buteo-sync-plugins-contacts and buteo-syncfw-qml
[13:11] <seb128> kenvandine, looking
[13:11] <kenvandine> seb128, thx :)
[13:11] <davmor2> beuno: just checking on the account
[13:11] <seb128> uw!
[13:11] <seb128> yw!
[13:11] <dbarth> davmor2: do the:  echo "LoggingLevel=2" > ~/.config/signond.conf and reboot
[13:12] <davmor2> beuno: yes account is still in place \o/  let me try another app now to be sure it doesn't get removed and wind up in the loop again
[13:13] <davmor2> beuno: second application installed no issues \o/ oh happy day, oh happy day
[13:13] <davmor2> olli: ^
[13:14] <davmor2> dbarth: ^
[13:14] <dbarth> davmor2: then things go into syslog (watch out, it will /spam/ your syslog; so better rm that conf file afterwards)
[13:14] <seb128> kenvandine, buteo-syncfw-qml debian/control line 11 has trailing spaces that would be nice to clean out
[13:14] <davmor2> dbarth: the changes beuno made fixed it by the look of it
[13:15] <seb128> kenvandine, also why do you have "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes", seems there is no i18n or po dir
[13:15] <beuno> well, there was a service down (not SSO) that I was unaware
[13:15] <beuno> that seemed to break things somewhere in the auth chain from phonws
[13:15] <kenvandine> 13 as well
[13:15] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[13:15] <kenvandine> fixed
[13:16] <davmor2> VincentInPC: try and login to the store now it might be fixed for you too
[13:17] <seb128> kenvandine, "buteo" is not really an expressive/nice name btw, but I guess that's not going to change? ;-)
[13:17] <kenvandine> seb128, no...
[13:17] <seb128> though so :-)
[13:17] <kenvandine> we didn't name it :)
[13:18] <seb128> kenvandine, buteo-syncfw-qml seems fine to me
[13:18] <davmor2> beuno: so has it been added to check that it is up on releases?
[13:18] <davmor2> beuno: so we don't have this again? :)
[13:19] <kenvandine> seb128, thx, i'm proposing a branch fixing those issues
[13:19] <seb128> kenvandine, shouldn't buteo-syncfw be in that ppa as well?
[13:19] <kenvandine> it is now
[13:19] <seb128> kenvandine, buteo-sync-plugins-contacts is depwaiting
[13:19] <davmor2> seb128: esperanto for hawk,  I guess the hawk-eyed will find something to sync no matter what or where ;)
[13:19] <seb128> k
[13:19] <kenvandine> it isn't from bzr, so i didn't want to upload it until we knew it was good
[13:20] <kenvandine> didn't want to do the ubuntu revision dance :)
[13:20] <beuno> davmor2, what what?
[13:20] <beuno> davmor2, a live service went down
[13:20] <beuno> what do you want us to check?
[13:21] <beuno> there were nagios alerts, etc when it was down (during a deployment)
[13:21] <davmor2> beuno: ah I thought it was something that was torn down as part of the roll out and not brought back up, me misreading :)
[13:21] <beuno> I just didn't know about it when we started the conversation
[13:22] <beuno> we might find a way for the error to be more obvious next time though
[13:22] <dobey> sso died?
[13:23] <seb128> kenvandine, buteo-sync-plugins-contacts ... COPYING is GPL-2 but sources are LGPL, also why making debian/ GPL and not using the same license as the source?
[13:23] <kenvandine> renatu, i proposed a branch with some final packaging tweaks, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/buteo-syncfw-qml/packaging_fixes/+merge/264559
[13:23] <jgdx> seb128, updated mr and test pass locally.
[13:23] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[13:23] <kenvandine> renatu, i added that to the landing already
[13:23] <davmor2> beuno: no worries I thought it was something just missed off the check list for the bring up, in which case I was checking it was added, but being as it was a live service not a lot to do about that really :(
[13:23] <seb128> kenvandine, that mr has a depends->recommends change/rename which is not mentioned in the commit msg
[13:24] <kenvandine> oh... forgot to prereq the other branch
[13:24] <dbarth> davmor2, beuno: ok, all good; back to normal
[13:24] <beuno> davmor2, more live, less death!
[13:24] <davmor2> olli: can you confirm you can login now too please :)
[13:24] <dbarth> thanks for testing / reporting the issue
[13:25] <dobey> oh i guess updown maybe if not sso
[13:25] <davmor2> beuno: :D
[13:25] <olli> davmor2, otp, 5min
[13:25] <VincentInPC> re davmor2 :)
[13:26] <VincentInPC> hello dobey
[13:26] <dobey> hi
[13:26] <kenvandine> renatu, seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/buteo-syncfw-qml/packaging_fixes/+merge/264560
[13:26] <davmor2> VincentInPC: there was an issue with a service that has now been fixed you should be able to get update but you may have to log into ubuntuone again first
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, better ;-)
[13:26] <renatu> kenvandine, nice thanks
[13:27] <VincentInPC> ...okay ! Do you plan to warn all ubuntu touch users in any way ?
[13:27] <VincentInPC> 'cause I think this issue will create a big problem in the community :o
[13:27] <kenvandine> seb128, looking at the license
[13:28] <VincentInPC> davmor2: do you know how I can logoff ?
[13:28] <davmor2> VincentInPC: it should just be fixed and we will ping the thread on the mailing list
[13:28] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll fix the COPYING file, but i still don't like LGPL for packaging
[13:29] <VincentInPC> but it's a global problem to all users or just those how hack their phones with sync and/or mounting their /dev/loop0 ?
[13:29] <jgdx> davmor2, I was affected as well, arale #61. Fixed for me.
[13:29] <seb128> kenvandine, why? we usually just use the same license as the project, easier
[13:29] <kenvandine> i know...
[13:29] <olli> davmor2, did you need me to just retry or do anything in prep upfront?
[13:29] <kenvandine> we still need a separate section for debian/* in the copyright
[13:29] <davmor2> olli: just re-try
[13:30] <kenvandine> so not really easier
[13:30] <dobey> VincentInPC: it's not a global problem, because it's confined to people who tried to install something from the store or install updates, within a short time frame
[13:30] <davmor2> olli: live service died which stopped login on phones
[13:30] <dobey> VincentInPC: anyone whom did not already encounter the problem, will not now encounter it, as it's been fixed already
[13:30] <VincentInPC> dobey: I think I have this problem since last week
[13:30] <VincentInPC> okai :)
[13:31] <davmor2> VincentInPC: in that case your issue might be different talk with dobey and he might get you to file a bug for it
[13:32] <davmor2> VincentInPC: can you see the store at all?
[13:32] <dobey> what problem?
[13:32] <olli> beuno, davmor2... working
[13:32]  * olli is installing telegram
[13:32] <davmor2> olli: \o/
[13:33] <beuno> olli, thanks. We
[13:33] <beuno> we're following up with an incident report
[13:33] <olli> beuno, so the cause was a dead service?
[13:33] <seb128> kenvandine, buteo-sync-plugins-contacts looks ok otherwise
[13:34] <kenvandine> great
[13:34] <beuno> olli, yeah, a deployment broken mid-deploy and had some knock-on effects
[13:34] <davmor2> olli: I think that is politically incorrect they call them funerals nowadays ;)
[13:34] <dobey> VincentInPC: if you are unable to view the store contents at all, then it is a separate issue likely limited to your own device or something. i can see the store just fine on my device
[13:35] <dobey> davmor2: groan
[13:35] <VincentInPC> dobey: davmor2 I'm trying to login again to the Ubuntu One account I deleted on my phone, but I get a "Network error - please retry"
[13:35] <davmor2> dobey: VincentInPC http://influence-pc.fr/03-07-2015-synchroniser-ses-contacts-et-calendrier-dubuntu-phone-via-owncloud-cosy-cloud did this to get owncloud sync in place I don't know if the crt's might have an adverse effect but I wouldn't of thought so right ;)
[13:35] <kenvandine> renatu, seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/buteo-sync-plugins-contacts/license_fix/+merge/264568
[13:35] <VincentInPC> dobey: i had same problem before deleting the account on my phone, while trying to update
[13:35] <davmor2> VincentInPC: that sounds like you have no route
[13:36] <seb128> kenvandine, +1
[13:36] <davmor2> dobey: oh come on it was good for a quick fire pun :)
[13:36] <dobey> VincentInPC: so it seems like there is a network connectivity issue
[13:36] <VincentInPC> but I can browse the great internet without any problem is Web App or in twitter
[13:36] <olli> davmor2, lol @ funeral
[13:36] <kenvandine> renatu, i also added that to the landing
[13:36] <kenvandine> and reconfigured
[13:36] <VincentInPC> I can read the message ;) It's not a network issue
[13:36] <VincentInPC> I can garantee that
[13:36] <kenvandine> renatu, don't rebuild the silo yet though
[13:37] <olli> beuno, good, glad it's nothing more severe
[13:37] <olli> "more"
[13:37] <kenvandine> renatu, i'm getting all the depends built in the silo first
[13:41] <VincentInPC> dobey: any track I can follow ?
[13:43] <dobey> mardy: what was the command to get the online accounts UI to run in a console to get the debug messages?
[13:44] <dobey> davmor2: well, those instructions are wrong, but i don't see anything there which would directly break the store
[13:45] <dobey> VincentInPC: can you see the contents of the store at all? (you don't need to be logged in to see what's available, only to purchase/install things)
[13:45] <VincentInPC> dobey: no, it's blank
[13:46] <dobey> VincentInPC: you can check the "
[13:46] <dobey> doh
[13:46] <VincentInPC> dobey: the small horizontal and orange bar go from left to right (and right to left) during some seconds and nothing appear
[13:46] <davmor2> dobey: that's what I assumed when I read through it but I pointed you out as being the guy to talk to for this issue as it seemed way more than a small issue.  But I asked all the questions I could think of including did you modify your system so that was the obvious start place then :)
[13:46] <dobey> VincentInPC: you can check the ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log file for logged errors when trying to brows the store
[13:47] <VincentInPC> dobey: I got this :
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:15,944 - WARNING - WARNING: QApplication was not created in the main() thread.
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:16,260 - WARNING - Signing reuested but no credentials found. Using unsigned URL.
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:16,582 - WARNING - Network error: "SSL handshake failed (6)"
[13:47] <VincentInPC>  ""
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:16,583 - WARNING - Network error getting purchases.
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:18,277 - WARNING - Network error: "SSL handshake failed (6)"
[13:47] <VincentInPC>  ""
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:18,278 - WARNING - departments call failed due to network error
[13:47] <VincentInPC> 2015-07-13 15:47:18,280 - WARNING - bootstrap request failed
[13:48] <dobey> VincentInPC: are you behind a transparent proxy or something?
[13:48] <dobey> apparently it is breaking ssl
[13:48] <VincentInPC> not at all
[13:48] <seb128> VincentInPC, http://paste.ubuntu.com is a new website, you should use it ;-)
[13:48] <seb128> new->nice
[13:48] <dobey> seb128: s/new// :)
[13:48] <dobey> heh
[13:48] <seb128> :p
[13:48] <seb128> sorry ;-)
[13:49] <VincentInPC> dobey:  I just added my self signed certificate to /usr/share/ca-certificates and call sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
[13:49] <VincentInPC> seb128: ok
[13:50] <dobey> VincentInPC: can you open https://login.ubuntu.com/ in the browser app?
[13:50] <VincentInPC> yes
[13:51] <dobey> VincentInPC: if you view the cert info by tapping the lock, what does it say? can you take a screenshot and share it?
[13:52] <VincentInPC> I'm sorry but the interface doesn't let me tap the lock
[13:52] <VincentInPC> it always fire the "earth" on its left or the url bar
[13:53] <VincentInPC> the lock is grey
[13:55] <dobey> does it not pop up a thing saying "you are connected to: ..." when you tap on the lock?
[13:55] <VincentInPC> yes
[13:56] <dobey> that is the pop-up for the lock. what does it say you are connected to?
[13:56] <VincentInPC> login.ubuntu.com
[13:56] <VincentInPC> as it
[13:58] <dobey> hmm, it shows a globe and not the u1 logo? can you take a screenshot please?
[14:00] <VincentInPC> seb128:  I can't paste my screenshot to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ :)
[14:00] <dobey> you can paste it on any image sharing site, or twitter, or whatever
[14:01] <VincentInPC> dobey: here is my french "whatever" :P  http://dl.free.fr/o0pkM7L5a
[14:02] <dobey> hmm
[14:02] <mardy> dobey: OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 online-accounts-service
[14:03] <dobey> ah thanks mardy
[14:07] <dobey> VincentInPC: how are you connected to the internet right now?
[14:07] <VincentInPC> through wifi
[14:09] <dobey> VincentInPC: do you see the favicon for any web sites connected on https in the browser?
[14:10] <VincentInPC> =o =o =o
[14:10] <VincentInPC> dobey: no!
[14:11] <VincentInPC> mhh
[14:11] <dobey> VincentInPC: so it seems very much like there is a transparent proxy between your device and the internet, and it is breaking ssl :)
[14:11] <VincentInPC> it seems that yes on wikipedia
[14:11] <VincentInPC> I'm at home, I'm pretty sure to don't have any proxy
[14:11] <VincentInPC> I've the favicon on https/wikipedia
[14:12] <dobey> VincentInPC: your router could have a transparent proxy without your knowledge, or your isp could be using one.
[14:12] <dobey> hmm
[14:12] <VincentInPC> mh
[14:13] <dobey> well on login.ubuntu.com you should see the orange U1 logo icon in the bar
[14:15] <VincentInPC> perhaps I had no problem on wikipedia 'cause it's a frequently visited website
[14:15] <VincentInPC> on Amazon i haven't the favicon on https
[14:15] <VincentInPC> and I can see it on my laptop
[14:16] <VincentInPC> idem for https://login.ubuntu.com/
[14:16] <VincentInPC> .
[14:16] <VincentInPC> it's not the connexion it's the phone :p
[14:16] <dobey> hmm
[14:23] <dobey> VincentInPC: can you disable wifi, reboot, and try to access the store on 3g?
[14:23] <VincentInPC> already done, same problem =/
[14:24] <VincentInPC> (I'm retrying)
[14:27] <VincentInPC> dobey: yes same problem
[14:34] <VincentInPC> dobey: OK I've a good news: it works again
[14:34] <VincentInPC> I think the solution will interest you
[14:36] <VincentInPC> davmor2: dobey: when i ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates it only ticked the first item, my self signed certificate, and no one of the others
[14:37] <VincentInPC> I guessed it was normal, 'cause it would be sooo looong to check all the other boxes. But that's the point: i had to check again ALL certificates (more than one hundred)
[14:40] <dobey> ah ok
[14:41] <VincentInPC> I'll suggest to sync with the certificate in parameter to syncevolution commands instead
[14:43] <dobey> i'd suggest doing the owncloud stuff in a chroot/container instead
[14:46] <VincentInPC> it's too much just to sync a phone!
[14:47] <ogra_> it will come neatly packed in a snap package one day :)
[14:47] <dobey> not really. you're adding a complex configuration that uses a cron job, by modifying the read-only partition
[14:48] <dobey> so as it is now, you will lose some of that at some point during a system image upgrade
[14:48] <VincentInPC> 'cause there is no GUI to do the things already available with a Google Account, it's not designed to be a definitive solution =]
[14:49] <VincentInPC> I'll figure out how to handle this at next upgrade, thanks for warning :)
[14:50] <dobey> well, if you do it within a container then the container will be preserved, you can install lots of other standard ubuntu tools within the container very easily, and it won't totally break the host system if you do certain things in it (like trying to add a self signed cert to ca-certificates)
[14:51] <VincentInPC> well it's the only tricky thing I've done, and I'm reverting it
[15:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1472505/+merge/264299
[15:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, when you have a chance
[15:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, looking
[15:10] <jgdx> kenvandine, workes well and all icons reflect what's in nm-applet. Thanks!
[15:10] <kenvandine> woot
[15:10] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: thanks again for the work :) and execellent communication on the forums.
[15:11] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, are you lining up some new landings with the approved reviews?
[15:12] <peat-psuwit> Could anyone have a look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1460752
[15:12] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, silo 34
[15:12] <jgdx> seb128, as soon as the gates open
[15:12] <jgdx> oh
[15:12] <jgdx> :p
[15:12] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx: thanks
[15:12] <kenvandine> seb128, oh... right
[15:13] <kenvandine> i was thinking the buteo stuff :)
[15:13] <seb128> lol
[15:13] <seb128> gates should be open today, and have them close doesn't prevent lining up landings
[15:13] <seb128> they should be open by the time we build/test things
[15:13] <ogra_> seb128, seems they dont open yet since there is an issue with auto-locking the screen
[15:14] <seb128> ogra_, right, which is why I wrote "today" and not "already" ;-)
[15:14] <ogra_> :)
[15:19] <kenvandine> renatu, http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Announcing-session-migration-now-in-ubuntu
[15:20] <kenvandine> renatu, bfiller: so it doesn't run at package update time but at the next session start
[15:20] <renatu> kenvandine, this will be enough for a update from OTA5 to OTA6 :D
[15:21] <popey> Elleo: has the kb changed in recent rc proposed?
[15:21] <popey> getting lots of spurious chars inserted
[15:22] <kenvandine> renatu, yeah, should be good
[15:23] <VincentInPC> dobey: just for information, I had to tick again all the boxes in the conf, 'cause giving the cert to syncevolution in a parameter doesn't work
[15:23] <VincentInPC> it's the way to go
[15:23] <VincentInPC> I hope no problem will happen in the future
[15:23] <dobey> VincentInPC: i'm not sure what syncevolution is expecting exactly, but it might be enough to just put the cert in /etc/ssl/certs/
[15:24] <VincentInPC> I can't see what a chroot or LXC container could bring to this situation
[15:24] <dobey> well, you breaking the ssl cert storage in the container won't affect the host
[15:24] <dobey> and it won't be destroyed on certain image upgrades
[15:25] <dobey> and you don't have to modify the read-only part of the system to use it
[15:25] <VincentInPC> but the goal is to make it available in the syncevolution app
[15:25] <dobey> you can bind mount the home directory within the container, and then run syncevolution within the container
[15:25] <VincentInPC> :o
[15:26] <dobey> and it will result in the data being synced within the host
[15:26] <dobey> that's what containers are for
[15:26] <VincentInPC> without never had to mount the system in write mode ?
[15:26] <dobey> indeed
[15:26] <VincentInPC> complicated for me :/
[15:26] <dobey> VincentInPC: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[15:28] <VincentInPC> thank you dobey I add this in my tutorial ;)
[15:30] <peat-psuwit> Could anyone have a look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1460752
[15:34] <JJX> Hi everybody, im Using 15.10 on my Aquaris 4.5 but like to flash to a more stable channel. Could anyone tell me the right channel?
[15:36] <tathhu> ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en ?
[15:36] <tathhu> (i guess it's the rtm channel)
[15:37] <conyoo> hm.. net split.. wb
[15:37] <JJX> ok thanks im gonna try that one
[15:43] <peat-psuwit> Is this bug fully fixed or not? https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1442962
[15:44] <peat-psuwit> My phone seems to still have it's symptom.
[15:48] <ogra_> the milestone says it landed in ota4
[15:49] <JJX> thats the bug why Im going back to stable
[15:49] <JJX> it is not fixed in 15.10 / 140
[15:50] <seb128> it should, if you still have the issue report a new bug
[15:51] <JJX> i consider that
[15:51] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: I forget to mention that I use devel-proposed channel already.
[15:52] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: image revision 253
[15:53] <ogra_> well, thats broken anyway regarding mobile i think
[15:54] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: I don't understand.
[15:54] <ogra_> wily is broken
[15:54] <ogra_> (wily = devel-proposed)
[15:54] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: How?
[15:54] <ogra_> afaik there ie more broken in the mobile stack in wily
[15:55] <ogra_> and since the focus is on vivid it might take a bit til it gets fully fixed there
[15:55] <ogra_> (wily is not supposed to land on any phones)
[15:56] <ogra_> i wouldnt recommend it if you actually regulary use the phone
[15:56] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: I do a port on LG L90 Dual. So, I probably can't use any other channel.
[15:56] <ogra_> why not ?
[15:59] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: I actually have my custom patch for droid module in Pulseaudio bundled in device tarball. That's built to a specific version of Pulseaudio.
[16:09] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, well, that will need fixing anyway :)
[16:10] <ogra_> device and rootfs tarballs should work distinct from each other ... (except for libhybris)
[16:10]  * tathhu 's bq is now on denmark :o finland is next? :D
[16:11] <ogra_> tathhu, zimbabwe, then finnland :P
[16:11] <tathhu> ogra_: okay.jpg :(
[16:12] <tathhu> ogra_: still, in finland by tomorrow? :P
[16:12]  * tathhu hopes so #cantwait
[16:12] <ogra_> sssuuuure :)
[16:13] <tathhu> :--(
[16:13] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: BTW, what's wrong with wily mobile stack?
[16:13] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, no idea, i just see people complain ...
[16:14] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, generally wily can break at any time and might only get fixed on slow pace thouh
[16:14] <ogra_> as i said, wily is not supposed to ever land on any product
[16:14] <tathhu> why :(
[16:15] <ogra_> becaue all development happens on vivid currently
[16:15] <ogra_> wily will switch the underlying plumbing layer to snappy at some point
[16:16] <ogra_> (which might cause total havoc on system-image based phones)
[16:18] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: Seems like I have to change the way to build device tarball in the future?
[16:18] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, not til 16.04 starts as long as you use vivid
[16:20] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: Ok. Seems like I have to tell people using my port to switch channel.
[16:21] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: ping
[16:21] <ogra_> yeah, if you want some stability, you shuld use rc-proposed
[16:21] <ogra_> (or rc)
[16:29] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: ping
[17:42] <Isotop7> sturmflut: i testet 4g on my arale...only get hspa whereas galaxy s6 connects with 4g at the exact same place...
[17:42] <Isotop7> sturmflut: *tested
[18:30] <dobey> Isotop77: what country?
[18:31] <Isotop77> germany...
[18:31] <Isotop77> dobey: provider is vodafone
[18:32] <dobey> ah ok
[18:40] <dobey> ok yeah
[18:40] <dobey> the click review tools does fail the sherlock package
[18:41] <dobey> so definitely not critical since nobody can actually upload such a broken package to the store
[18:41] <dobey> well, they can upload, but it will fail automated review
[18:42] <Isotop77> i remember that there was a spreadsheet for the progress of implementing system functions...is this still available? furthermore: do i need to do something to take a look at my submitted bug? filed it last week but it wasn reviewed till now nor did it change at all...
[18:51] <taiebot> Question for unity8 team ? are we ever going to see this land? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1413791
[18:57] <greyback_> taiebot: it will, it is part of silo 48, is in a queue to be landed
[18:58] <taiebot> greyback_ cool thanks I suppose it will land in OTA-6
[18:58] <greyback_> taiebot: that's the goal, yes
[19:13] <Robert_Zenz> Since the latest update the recent messages are not displayed anymore in the Today scope on my bq Aquaris 4.5.Is somebody seeing the same?
[19:40] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, working fine here, vivid or wily?
[19:43] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, Vivid/15.04.
[19:44] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, do you see the section but no data? and if so can you refresh the scope?
[19:45] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, the section is completely missing, refreshing does nothing.
[19:46] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, but now that you say it, if I disable the recent messages in the settings, the whole scope stops working, as in doesn't display anything. :/
[19:46] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:48] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, can you do click list | grep dashboard to get the version it should be 1.8.7
[19:48] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, sorry are you on stable or proposed
[19:48] <pmcgowan> kyleN, maybe you can advise us
[19:48] <taiebot> i confirm Robert_zenz behaviour i do not see any messages
[19:49] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, gives me 1.7.16.
[19:49] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, I am testing proposed so maybe there was an issue in the last update
[19:50] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, could be, could be.
[19:51] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, taiebot, in that case I'll simply file a bug.
[19:53] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, that part of the scope got rewritten so I am pretty sure it will be fine this next update
[19:54]  * kyleN back
[19:54] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, oh, well, what timespan are we talking, roughly speaking?
[19:54] <pmcgowan> soon, this week I hope
[19:55] <pmcgowan> kyleN, was there a bug with recent messages that got fixed?
[19:55] <pmcgowan> in today scope
[19:55] <kyleN> recent message handling did change, but no bug
[19:55] <kyleN> previously calls had a category, messages had category
[19:56] <kyleN> in which you saw a recent call/message
[19:56] <kyleN> and telegram had a category
[19:56] <kyleN> now,there is a "Recent" cateegory that includes one of calls, messages, telegram
[19:57] <kyleN> for that to work you need the latest today  scope AND the latest child scopes: calls, messages. and telegram
[19:57] <kyleN> which were included in the custom tarball I believe
[19:58] <kyleN> these changes originated in design/product mgmt I beleive

[19:58] <pmcgowan> kyleN, are the updated scopes all in the store now?
[19:58] <pmcgowan> kyleN, both of these folks are seeing a bug in ota 4
[19:59] <kyleN> penk owns pushing to store. I am not 100% sure
[19:59] <pmcgowan> but it does seem fine here in ota 5
[19:59] <pmcgowan> I cna check that
[19:59] <kyleN> all I said is ota 5
[19:59] <pmcgowan> sure
[20:02] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, if there is an update about to be pushed, then it doesn't make sense to file a bug.
[20:03] <pmcgowan> right
[20:03] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, I'll keep the eye open what the next update brings, thank you very much.
[20:03] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, np thank you
[20:03] <ogra_> hmm, the german translation in the new today scope is a little weird ...
[20:04]  * ogra_ hasnt actually noticed before
[20:04] <ogra_> seems there is something chopped off from the "Last Messages" caption ...
[20:05] <ogra_> just says "Letzt" in german ... (where it likely should say "Letzte Nachrichten" or some such)
[20:07] <ogra_> sil2100, ^^ was "today" one of the manually merged translations ?
[20:20] <dobey> ogra_: today scope is a click package so should have the translations in its packaging afaik
[20:21] <pmcgowan> kyleN, ^^
[20:21] <kyleN> yes, translations are in click pkg
[20:21] <dobey> ogra_: is the untranslated string there just "Recent" btw? might be mistranslated due to that?
[20:22] <kyleN> translations are done publicly here: https://translations.launchpad.net/today-scope/
[20:22] <ogra_> dobey, it would be "Recen" in that case then
[20:22] <ogra_> woah
[20:23] <ogra_> yeah, so the actual translation is "Letzt" there ...
[20:23] <dobey> ogra_: well it should probably have the context added still, but yeah  "last" is specially weird by itself
[20:23] <ogra_> *all* suggestions underneath the string are better than that :)
[20:23] <dobey> haha
[20:24] <ogra_> it suggests "Kürzlich" ... that sounds best and is generic enough
[20:24] <ogra_> (and has an umlaut, yay :) )
[20:26] <tathhu> Äyh, finnish translations..
[21:32] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Ping
[21:36] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, pong
[21:38] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: I finally sat down and got my SDL2 template working, but am running into problems with rotation on OTA-5. Apparently the window always starts in portrait mode and is then eventually rotated to landscape, but looks like SDL never gets that information. SDL_GetCurrentDisplayMode always returns the size of the window in portrait and I never get an SDL_WINDOWEVENT regarding the size change.
[21:41] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, hmm im not sure if i hook up to those events
[21:41] <bschaefer> IIRC
[21:41] <bschaefer> as they werent really around when i was doing the port :)
[21:41] <bschaefer> i think the only events i really get are mouse/keyboard/touch events
[21:42] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: I suspected that :)
[21:42] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, sooo ideally, in the main SDL_mirevents.c
[21:43] <bschaefer> theres a main function
[21:43] <bschaefer> that accepts ALL events from the buffer/surface
[21:43] <bschaefer> i only do things on the keyboard/mouse/touch, soo if you want other events i need to expand that
[21:43] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, which i can soon! Mir is under a pretty heavy ABI change atm and im waiting for that dust to settle
[21:44] <bschaefer> so i can go back and create a new branch for that (with the new mir 2.0 event system)
[21:45] <SturmFlut> bschaefer: Yeah, this also has to be fixed in Unity8 and QtMir. Will open a couple of bugs tomorrow, just wanted to make sure I get the SDL2 details right
[21:49] <bschaefer> SturmFlut, awesome thanks!
[22:28] <pixel> greyback__: it worked!!! :d
[22:28] <pixel> hehehe
[22:29] <Guest86882> DISPLAY=:2 gsettings bla bla
[22:30] <conyoo> bug #1231231
[22:31] <greyback__> conyoo: glad to hear it. Note the DISPLAY env var isn't a good thing to rely on, you should try to fetch and set the value of DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS that unity8 has
[22:33] <conyoo> greyback__: thanks :D
[22:35] <conyoo> greyback__: hm.. the keyrepeat rate seems to be 0
[22:35] <greyback__> conyoo: yep, known issue
[22:35] <conyoo> omg.. how do i take a screenshot?
[22:36] <conyoo> hm.. i can use mirscreencast and take a frame and then covert?
[22:36] <conyoo> that would be silly
[22:36] <conyoo> lol i have volume keys on the keyboard.. let's see
[22:37] <conyoo> nope
[22:38] <ahayzen> conyoo, if you have $ phablet-screenshot installed have a look at what that files does i guess? there is a screenshot_mir() function in it
[22:39] <greyback__> yeah that should work. That's a feature we need to add
[22:39] <greyback__> easy screenshotting the desktop
[22:40] <conyoo> :> it does exactly that :P runs mirscreencast bla bla -n1 (saves a frame) and then convert
[22:41] <greyback__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1474149
[22:41] <conyoo> let's see if i can copy paste from the terminal in chrome (Xmir)
[22:42] <ahayzen> greyback__, surely the Prt Sc button should be mapped to screenshot instead of Vol up+down ? ;-)
[22:42] <greyback__> ahayzen: sure
[22:42] <ahayzen> :-)
[22:43] <greyback__> but there are those without Prt Sc buttons...
[22:43] <greyback__> poor unfortunate mac users
[22:43] <greyback__> so it'll need to be a configurable global keyboard shortcut
[22:43] <ahayzen> hah
[22:44] <ahayzen> we'll need a keyboard shortcuts thing in u-s-s i guess, like unity7
[22:47] <conyoo> greyback__: status confirmed


[04:47] <Guest2629> gay
[04:47] <Guest2629> kubuntu sucks
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:21] <zztopless> evening folks... does anyone know if it's possible to resize the application launcher (would like to make it taller, as I have to scroll to see all my favourites).  I'm running Linux Mint KDE 18.5, KDE version 5.8.7
[10:21] <zztopless> I have asked in #kde and the mint-linux channel, just thought I'd ask here, as I suspect it's a kde and or ubuntu issue
[10:34] <acheronuk> zztopless: I see you found http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2017/09/05/howto-here-is-how-to-resize-kde-plasma-application-launcher-main-menu/
[10:36] <zztopless> yeah, thanks for the effort though :-)
[10:37] <acheronuk> that is handy tip to know :)
[10:38] <zztopless> strange that a version change would make something I imagine is reasonably commonly used and and access to it only available through an obscure key combo, unless right-click + mouse2 is a universal action now?
[10:38] <zztopless> acheronuk: indeed :)
[11:02] <robertjulius> i know this is offtopic but.. Where do i go to learn javascript properly? inside an IDE rather than a webpage?
[11:02] <robertjulius> (or know a IRC channel where this question will find a host of good answers?)
[11:11] <hateball> !alis | robertjulius
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:05] <parveen> hello
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hi parveen
[13:11] <parveen> hey i have installed kget from terminal. but when i try to open it from application launcher it is doing nothing. but it running in the process table
[13:21] <parveen> bye
[13:25] <clivejo> just tried that
[13:25] <clivejo> ~$ kget
[13:25] <clivejo> kget: error while loading shared libraries: libgpgme-pthread.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:26] <acheronuk> opens ok in artful
[13:28] <clivejo> hummm got a neon package installed
[13:29] <acheronuk> it also starts in the system tray here, not it's full window. maybe that is why they didn't see it
[13:30] <clivejo> ok, opens fine with Ubuntu archive version
[13:30]  * clivejo shrugs
[13:31] <clivejo> libgpgme11 (1.8.0-3ubuntu5)
[13:55] <TomTom> what could be the cause that i always have to run "dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf" after each start to get working name resolution? it seems networkmanager creates a resolvconf(link) with <IP_ADDRESS> as dns and after running resolvconf-reconfigure there is a resolvconf with <IP_ADDRESS> in it.
[14:09] <lordievader> TomTom: Do you have dnsmasq installed?
[14:11] <TomTom> lordievader: yes, its installed
[14:12] <lordievader> That is why NetworkManager sets the nameserver to 127.0.0.x, since it expects dnsmasq to resolve your queries.
[14:12] <lordievader> Is dnsmasq running.
[14:12] <lordievader> ?
[14:13] <TomTom> yes its runnin... normally i dont need it, i guess.
[14:14] <lordievader> Does it resolve queries correctly?
[14:20] <TomTom> i removed dnsmasq and restarted the system. after restart resolv.conf is again just a file (no symlink) with <IP_ADDRESS> as DNS, after reconfigure its a symlink and contains <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:20] <TomTom> so its otherway round as i wrote above
[14:22] <lordievader> Hmm, usually you do want NM to add nameservers to resolv.conf, however to turn it off: https://askubuntu.com/questions/623940/network-manager-how-to-stop-nm-updating-etc-resolv-conf
[14:31] <TomTom> i want that NM does the setup. the question is why it writes <IP_ADDRESS> and should use somehow <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:38] <TomTom> this seems to be the issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/966870/dns-not-working-after-upgrade-17-04-to-17-10
[14:40] <lordievader> Ah, good to know. The fix proposed works?
[14:53] <forelle> morning
[14:54] <forelle> I have kubuntu 17 running on an acer switch alpha 12 tablet and the stylus works, but the right mouse button middle clicks
[14:54] <forelle> any way to rebind stylus buttons?
[15:04] <TomTom> lordievader: of course not B-) but i found another issue after checking the journal again... ubuntu-fan failed during restart... enough for today with system maintenance, thanks for the help/ideas
[15:04] <lordievader> No problem
[15:06] <forelle> oh wow kde connect is lit
[16:02] <user|21489> does any body know when 17.04 will update
[17:22] <jipang_menjerit> ejat: ping
[18:08] <Smirnoffy> Hi i just installed Kubuntu and noticed that I can't run executable files. I didn't have this problem in Ubuntu.
[18:08] <Smirnoffy> Could anyone please help?
[18:13] <krytarik> Smirnoffy: I take it you mean via the file manager?
[18:15] <Smirnoffy> Home/Template I have a game folder with several executable files like, sdl, glx and dedicated.
[18:16] <Smirnoffy> krytarik
[18:16] <krytarik> I take this as a yes. :P
[18:17] <krytarik> No idea how Dolphin handles this by default.
[18:18] <Smirnoffy> It shows a red line above but if i click on it it becomes a green cross. But it doesn't change anything.
[18:19] <Smirnoffy> All files are marked to be run as executable so I don't know why it doesn't work.
[18:23] <krytarik> Ah that, I was tricked by it earlier too - it's a 'favorites' feature or somesuch.  But if you double-click the file properly or go through the context menu, you should be able to execute it still.
[18:25] <Smirnoffy> I hate spammed both my mouse and the enter button and even tried to run it in the terminal
[18:25] <Smirnoffy> Nothgin I do seem to work :(
[18:25] <Smirnoffy> have* but feel hate I guess, lol
[18:26] <Smirnoffy> What you mean with context menu?
[18:27] <krytarik> Right-clicking the file.
[18:30] <Smirnoffy> 1. Double clicked the file with mouse
[18:31] <Smirnoffy> 2. Tried to open it with enter (both Enter buttons)
[18:31] <Smirnoffy> 3. Tried to open it via the konsol/terminal
[18:32] <Smirnoffy> 4. Made sure it has permission for executable files
[18:32] <krytarik> Do you get an error message when you try it through the terminal?
[18:33] <Smirnoffy> This is what I have tried. Have even moved the entire folder out onto the desktop but same result there.
[18:33] <Smirnoffy> Yes, it says there is no such directory
[18:34] <krytarik> Well, that's nothing to do with the used desktop environment then anyway.
[18:34] <Smirnoffy> Quake Error: session lock /home/username/.xonotic/lock could not be acquired. Please run with -sessionid and an unique session name.
[18:35] <Smirnoffy> This is one of the errors I get, to be more specific
[18:38] <krytarik> Is this the only executable you have issues with?
[18:39] <Smirnoffy> I have tried sdl, glx and dedicated
[18:39] <Smirnoffy> none of responding
[18:39] <Smirnoffy> them*
[18:40] <krytarik> Anything else than that game?
[18:41] <Smirnoffy> Nopp
[18:42] <Smirnoffy> As I mentioned earlier have just installed it so haven't got that far yet
[18:42] <Smirnoffy> Isn't there anyone using Kubuntu in here who can help? i mean, it's a Kubuntu channel after all =/
[18:43] <krytarik> But it's no Quake one. :P
[18:43] <Smirnoffy> reading on the internet just gives me several years old threads with no solution
[18:45] <Smirnoffy> True, but as i mentioned earlier this wasn't a problem in Ubuntu
[18:45] <Smirnoffy> It was activated by default but now I'm totaly locked out =/
[18:48] <Smirnoffy> I don't understand what that red line or green/white + sign in left corner of the icon is for either. Since changing it doesn't make any difference.
[19:24] <sven__> hallo
[19:46] <D0U91E> libreelec
[23:07] <elliotbirckof> hi
[23:14] <schnoodles> Anyone know what this actually is ? "apt-get -qq -y -d dist-upgrade" it is the main reason that 80% of the time when I start my machine I cannot update my system. Because apt has a lock file created because of that lingering command.
[23:29] <krytarik> schnoodles: It's about what was discussed here: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/10/25/%23ubuntu-devel.html


[07:22] <AlanBell> stats will be updated later, someone has deleted their launchpad profile without being removed from the groups so I need to add more error trapping or find out who it is and get them removed properly
[07:48] <nigelb> AlanBell: now that daniel is in, you can ask him
[15:12] <AlanBell> wow, total number of members dropped this month
[15:12] <AlanBell> 638 to 633
[15:12] <nigelb> o.O
[15:13] <AlanBell> 5.06%
[15:13] <AlanBell> 32 out of 601
[15:13] <AlanBell> no
[15:14] <AlanBell> 32 out of 633
[15:17] <AlanBell> no new female members since hajni
[15:17] <AlanBell> and skaet is not on the Americas list for this month
[15:18] <nigelb> probably next month
[15:36] <AlanBell> hmm. maybe. I have updated the graph, it shows a rise, but only because of people leaving
[15:36] <nigelb> that's the thing with graphs
[15:37] <nigelb> It can show anything you want to show ;)
[15:42] <AlanBell> lies, damn lies and statistics
[16:45]  * AlanBell updates http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage
[17:34] <vish> AlanBell: how did membership drop? are people removing themselves from Ubuntu membership? was that only female members or total M+W drop?
[17:34]  * vish wondering why folks would quit..
[17:34] <AlanBell> some expire
[17:34] <vish> ah!
[17:35] <AlanBell> one person seems to have deleted their launchpad profile and stormed off in a huff
[17:35] <vish> yea, its a 1 week notification for renewal(atleast on other teams) and it could be easy to let it expire if we are not around during that week..
[17:49] <pleia2> thanks AlanBell


[03:38] <leviathaan> k
[04:30] <mapps> hey all
[04:43] <leviathaan> hi mapps
[04:45] <mapps> :D
[04:45] <mapps> sup
[04:45] <mapps> a new night owl?
[04:45] <mapps> dot recall you at these hours
[04:45] <mapps> D
[04:45] <mapps> ;D
[04:46] <leviathaan> yeah, i just installed mirc :-)
[04:59] <mapps> ah
[04:59] <mapps> howcome youre up so late
[04:59] <mapps> usiong ubuntu on a diff machine?
[05:17] <leviathaan> i'm considering starting my own msp and doing some research on the net
[07:30] <knightwise> huzzah!
[07:52] <zmoylan-pi> it's a friday?
[07:57] <knightwise> yo zmoylan-pi
[07:58] <zmoylan-pi> celebrating friday knightwise?
[08:00] <knightwise> hmmm
[08:00] <knightwise> cried victory too soon
[08:01] <knightwise> working with alpine and trying to figure out how to use multiple accounts
[08:01] <knightwise> i thought , i'll be smart and created 3 different .pinerc files , one for each account
[08:02] <knightwise> then I would launch Alpine -p .pinerc1 to use the first account .pinerc2 for the second
[08:02] <knightwise> basically launching multiple instances of pine with different config files
[08:02] <zmoylan-pi> i tried alpine but could never make it work with gmail following instructions for some reason
[08:03] <knightwise> works great except when I want to send out emails , alpine keeps complaining the sent-mail folder exist
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:11] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:25] <knightwise> 5 minutes to the first meeting of the day
[08:25] <knightwise> I need cooooffeeeee
[08:25]  * knightwise is going to enslave a brazillian java farmer to grow him coffee
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> surely the plan should be for the java farmer to grow you coffee. otherwise it's just a captive audience when you grow the coffee
[09:02] <awilkins> Oh ho ho ho, the NSA / GCHQ pinched the private keys from a large SIM manufacturer
[09:02] <awilkins> Everyone install Zfone!
[09:03] <awilkins> Or silent circle or whatever
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> switch to self destructing pigeons rfc1149
[09:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: details details
[09:11] <knightwise> hmm.. me need to fix alpine problem
[09:14] <davmor2> morning all
[09:14] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[09:58] <knightwise> there :)
[09:58] <knightwise> alpine beaten into submission :)
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> bad email client, bad! :-)
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Love Your Pet Day! :-D
[10:06] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: got it working now. 3 different .pinerc config files for my 3 email accounts
[10:06] <knightwise> starting up 3 different sessions of pine in screen
[10:06] <knightwise> alpine i mean
[10:06] <knightwise> so everything is nicely seperated
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> whatever works works
[10:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:08] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:08] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: now i just need to seperate the 3 signature files.
[10:08] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[10:08] <knightwise> I was looking to see if its possible to include an html signature in Alpine
[10:08] <knightwise> then i'll export the ones i'm using in the Gmail webclient
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: a pet is not just for christmas it should last through to new years :)
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, as long as you carve it right. ;)
[10:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: technically shouldn't everyday be love your pet day :)
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, why yes, yes it should.
[10:34] <JamesTait> But the same could be said of Good Manners Day, or Eat Bacon Day.
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: no eating bacon everyday makes it less special :)
[10:35] <awilkins> Combine Love Your Pet and Eat Bacon Day by keeping pigs as pets!
[10:35] <JamesTait> Bacon is *always* special.
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> eat bacon day... would stop bed hogging on the nhs when everyone dies at 60...
[10:35] <JamesTait> Don't listen to the nasty man, bacon, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
[10:36] <awilkins> Ever wonder why the right-wingers are all against voluntary euthanasia?
[10:36]  * zmoylan-pi loves bacon but bacon every day would not end well
[10:36] <awilkins> Because dying like that, slowly rotting in a hospital bed, is really expensive - lots of profits to be made.
[10:36]  * davmor2 thinks JamesTait has a dog called bacon
[10:36] <awilkins> Bacon is less fatty than sausage
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> i always thought it was because their offspring would fake their signature to inherit early
[10:37] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, This is why we need to hurry along the legal acceptance of cryptographic signatures
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> fat is this week... ::shakes magic 8 ball:: off the bad list
[10:37] <awilkins> Sugar is the enemy
[10:37] <JamesTait> davmor2, I have five cats and two cheeky little monkeys.  Oh, right, we WERE talking about right-wing conservatives ;-)
[10:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: No
[10:39] <bigcalm> :P
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> in victorian times arsenic was nicknamed inheritance powder...
[10:44] <awilkins> You'd think it would actually sit right in with Conservative ideals - if your value as a respected elder and source of counsel is so small that mere money is more valuable, well then, that surely, is the market deciding.
[10:44] <arsen> ...must fix that regex
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> coffee time, with a penguin bar...
[11:13] <awilkins> Those penguin bars.
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> they were on special 18 for the price of 9
[11:14] <awilkins> Can't see your way clear to getting a cold one for all the expectant fathers balancing the egg on their feet.
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> you wonder how they worked out how to do that
[11:26] <bigcalm> popey: RAT tickets were waiting for me when I got home last night. They are now in the ticket storage compartment of our kitchen letter rack
[11:26] <popey> \o/
[11:26]  * popey looks up
[11:26] <popey> yup, mine is still on the wall
[11:27] <bigcalm> :D
[11:27] <bigcalm> Photos please!
[11:36] <popey> bigcalm: http://imgur.com/dQphlcg
[11:38] <bigcalm> Hehe, that'll do :)
[11:39] <bigcalm> I have a habit of writing on the envelop what's in it and the date it happens
[11:39] <popey> i have one ticket for one thing
[11:39] <bigcalm> Will you remember the date?
[11:40] <bigcalm> !rat | popey
[11:40] <bigcalm> Teehee
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> do they have ruby on rails classes there? :-)
[11:42] <popey> i have a calendar to tell me the date
[11:42] <popey> and you, using the bot every day too :)
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: I just think bigcalm gets off on abusing the bot to be honest :D
[11:47] <popey> yeah
[11:47]  * bigcalm giggles to himself
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> come the robot rebellion...
[11:48] <bigcalm> When organising an event, I feel the need to publicise it
[11:48] <bigcalm> We have 11 bods now. I'll stand down
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: you've killed 11 people /me dials 999
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> they're not dead they're merely recovering from last rat...
[11:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: try 0118 999 881<PHONE_NUMBER>
[11:55]  * zmoylan-pi hums the catchy tune to that number
[11:55]  * popey spams it around other irc channels
[11:55] <bigcalm> popey: the RAT or the new emergency number?
[11:56] <popey> yes
[11:57] <bigcalm> I knew it
[12:10] <leviathaan> hi there
[12:11] <leviathaan> which are the best uk job sites?
[12:11] <awilkins> For computronic jobs?
[12:11] <awilkins> I usually look at www.cwjobs.co.uk
[12:11] <leviathaan> yes
[12:11] <awilkins> My experience is probably not helpful though
[12:12] <awilkins> I work in a very specialized niche and I change jobs approximately every 5 years
[12:13] <awilkins> But that's where I look, when I'm annoyed with my current posting and am thinking of moving elsewhere.. :-)
[12:13] <leviathaan> :)
[12:15] <popey> i used to use jobserve.com heavily
[12:15] <bigcalm> popey: I'm seeing yet more names on the list that I do not know. What have you done?!
[12:15] <popey> such as?
[12:17] <bigcalm> Robert Leverington & Dominic Cleal
[12:17] <bigcalm> Sorry if you guys are in here. I just don't know you by your real names :)
[12:18] <popey> they're in surrey lug
[12:18] <bigcalm> There's also a couple of names from earlier in the list that I don't know
[12:18] <bigcalm> Elfy & Steve Mynott
[12:19] <bigcalm> Has AlanBell dropped off the earth?
[12:23] <zmoylan-pi> damn that intermittent gravity?
[12:37] <awilkins> You can't drop without gravity
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> but if earths gravity were intermittent and the suns wasn't...
[12:40] <awilkins> then the whole planet would be accelerated evenly
[12:40] <awilkins> Including things on it
[12:41] <davmor2> then the whole planet would probably be sucked into the sun
[12:42] <awilkins> Well... TBH, Earth's gravity is not what keeps it away from the Sun
[12:42] <awilkins> It's velocity is
[12:43] <awilkins> Gravity is a property of mass, so if it failed... this would be a result of the Earth being massless... so it would fly off into space
[12:43] <awilkins> And we'd all freeze to death
[12:43] <awilkins> And it would all be AlanBell's fault.
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> i live in ireland, nothing would change about the temperature :-)
[12:44] <awilkins> When the hail is actually small chunks of dry ice you'll change your tune!
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> it might dry things up a little...
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> we'd welcome it :-)
[12:57] <knightwise> Listening to a guy who mixed together alan parsons Pipeline with a marvin gaye song.. Bril-i-ant
[14:02] <awilkins> JamesTait, it actually seems to be Creepy Surveillance Day : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31510485
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> start taking pics of every public servant police, mps etc. and putting them in online database for public access and see how it goes...
[14:08] <awilkins> This is the reason for the new passport photo requirements, of course
[14:08] <diplo> It is all a bit ut oh isn't it :)
[14:08] <awilkins> Leeds station is all decked out in cameras ideally placed for face reco
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> get big face obscuring glasses
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> add a few leds to a baseball cap
[14:09] <awilkins> Suddenly my habitual wearing of a hat with a wide brim when travelling has another excellent purpose besides sleeping under it on a train
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> and build your preadator cloaking device... :-)
[14:09] <awilkins> Yeah, stick a bunch of IR LEDs on and it's not even visible to the fleshbots
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> just get the bee keeper hat and be done... :-)
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> of course the crazy level of spying stops crimes like it stopped the ira for instance...
[14:12] <diddledan> evening all
[14:12] <awilkins> It's mental
[14:12]  * diddledan reads-up
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> and it's not going to stop or even slow down till someone puts the boot in on the intelligence agencies
[14:12] <awilkins> If it generates even a small percentage of false positives, law enforcement will spend all their time harrassing people for no reason
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> so no difference there then
[14:12] <awilkins> Although the video did want to tie in the gait recognition and earlobe (!) reco
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> well scotland yard had earprint records before finger print records iirc
[14:13] <awilkins> I guess if you combine multiple biometric methods and they all have small false positive rates...
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> thing is they're trying to automate intelligence. when we can't even achieve that with educating people :-)
[14:15] <bashrc> I don't really care about face recognition. Data retention and metadata gives away far more details about you than cameras in the street. The problems with accurately recognising people in the street automatically from camera images are formidable
[14:15] <diddledan> something's wonky with the video - or my gfx card
[14:16] <diddledan> prolly the driver update that windows 10 downloaded last night
[14:16]  * awilkins shows diddledan the door for using Windows to connect to an Ubuntu channel
[14:17] <davmor2> diddledan: ah I see your problem there "Windows 10"
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> it is casual friday...
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> slumming it friday is pushing it a little however :-)
[14:20] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: Hobo is the new Hipster
[14:20] <diddledan> remote iris recog is scary - imagine the tech being able to recognise irises like the minority report advert machines
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> polarised glasses for privacy nuts \o/
[14:22] <shauno> hot pokers for privacy nuts!
[14:23] <diddledan> roasted privacy nuts on an open fire?
[14:40] <MrIndeed> how can i sort my ubuntu panel indicators and how can i change the keyboard layout to flags?
[14:42] <awilkins> Panel indicators : don't think there is a sort order as such. Keyboard layout indicators : you'd have to patch it with flag icons. I'm guessing the present set of icons were chosen because the style of the notifier bar is consciously monochrome
[14:43] <MrIndeed> i looked it up and found you can do both
[14:43] <MrIndeed> just need help
[14:46] <diddledan> china ddos'd dilbert?
[14:46] <diddledan> http://blog.dilbert.com/post/110911836486/ddos-attack-on-dilbert-com
[14:47] <zmoylan-pi> or all the winxp compromised systems in china ddosed dilbert
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> pity the great china firewall didn't stop that
[14:48] <diddledan> the question is why would anyone want to ddos dilbert?!
[14:48] <diddledan> what do they gain from such?
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> snoopy?
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> garfield?
[14:52] <davmor2> diddledan: they are trying to depress the west so they are easier to conquer
[14:52] <diddledan> davmor2, 1 in 4 people are already depressed in the west so it's not gonna take much to get the rest of you
[14:52] <diddledan> (I'm one of those 1 in 4)
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> i remember reading a story about wwii and how the japanese not understanding americans thought mickey mouse was great cultural icon to the americans.  they suggest a battle cry of 'mickey mouse is a rat!'
[14:54] <diddledan> lol
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> still not as bad as what happened when a department store after the war in japan was told by head office to open a santas grotto for the kids on the american base nearby. they asked what a santas grotto was.
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> so head office said it was a christian holiday thing and sent a pic of santa.  so they nailed santa to a giant cruifix.  those little cross cultural mixups :-)
[14:56] <diddledan> lol
[14:56] <diddledan> great fun
[14:57] <diddledan> that would be hilarious
[14:57] <awilkins> Awesome, reminds me of that joke in Enemy Mine where the alien says "Mickey Mouse is a big stupid dope!"
[14:58] <zmoylan-pi> when an american general crash landed in wwii in dublin mountains his plane was quicky reached by an irish army unit training nearby.  an irish speaking unit.  the general is famously recorded as saying 'those guys sure know their codes' :-D
[15:14] <davmor2> Man Metallica is great testing Music
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> testing to see when your cubicle neighbour snaps?
[15:19] <knightwise> I think Crazy Frog is tehe best testing music
[15:19] <davmor2> you don't have to mad to test here but it helps
[16:40] <awilkins> `kill` seems to be aliased on Ubuntu
[16:40] <awilkins> tried kill -L to list the signals
[16:40] <awilkins> Doesn't like it
[16:40] <awilkins> /bin/kill -L works
[16:41] <awilkins> Ah, it's bash builtin
[16:42] <diddledan> I don't get why bash builds-in so many standard tools
[16:42] <brobostigon> bbc2, 23:10, 2001: a space odyssey. :)
[16:42] <diddledan> like [ is a builtin
[16:42] <diddledan> as is [[
[16:43] <diddledan> both of those are standard executable files in /bin also
[16:43] <diddledan> brobostigon, \o/
[16:43] <brobostigon> :)
[16:45] <diddledan> watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5G_t-gUBc some weird behaviours
[16:54] <diddledan> I don't understand how he acheives it tho but it's fun
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer 2010 but mostly for the more understandable plot :-)
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> and fingers crossed they get around to 2061 and 3001
[17:21] <awilkins> The best reason to use the HTML5 player on YouTube : it doesn't leave fullscreen mode when it loses focus HOORAY
[17:21] <diddledan> awilkins, I believe html5 is default now?
[17:22] <awilkins> I still have to enable it
[18:09] <diddledan> it's no good, I've got to go and buy chocolate
[18:17] <m0nkey_> It's no good, I have to go buy a new CPU, motherboard, memory and SSD.
[18:17] <diddledan> :-)
[18:18] <m0nkey_> PC is about 2/6th built.
[18:19]  * Laney stabs virgin media
[18:19] <Laney> just give me a human
[18:20] <m0nkey_> If it's still a virgin, maybe you should write to your media?
[18:22] <m0nkey_> sorry, that was a bad diddledan type joke
[18:22] <Laney> they've got a very active background noise cancellation system
[18:22] <diddledan> teehee :-p
[18:23] <diddledan> Laney, it's cancelling the foreground, too?
[18:23] <m0nkey_> Laney, like somebody tuning in a radio?
[18:24] <Laney> it does indeed cancel the foreground
[18:24] <m0nkey_> Their VoIP system is probably doing some crappy bit rate conversion
[18:24] <Laney> it's trying to mask out the sound of the call centre
[18:43] <DJones> Heh, have to laugh at this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960791/Commuter-swears-man-way-interview-man-recruiter.html?ito=social-facebook
[18:45] <DJones> Apply for a job as a web developer, tell the interviewer where to go on the tube (without realising who it was) then turn up for an interviewer with person they'd earlier told where to go
[18:45] <DJones> -er
[20:17] <diddledan> \o/ NSA+GCHQ FTW! https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/
[20:28] <diddledan> having trouble, awilkins_ ?
[20:30] <awilkins_> Cretinous daughter forgot the pass-swipe for her tablet
[20:30] <awilkins_> Tablet didn't know my new SSID
[20:30] <diddledan> pattern-lock?
[20:30] <awilkins_> Had to change SSID so I could do a Google login to recover it
[20:30] <diddledan> eep
[20:31] <awilkins_> THen I "cracked" her pass-swipe anyway
[20:31] <diddledan> lol
[20:32] <awilkins_> She had a perfectly good 11 digit pin on it
[20:32] <awilkins_> Which she could remember
[20:32] <diddledan> that's an impressive pin
[20:32] <awilkins_> But because I knew it she changes it to a swipe *different* to the one on her phone and promptly forgets it
[20:32] <diddledan> most folk (myself included) just stick with 4
[20:33] <awilkins_> It's got a text mnemonic behnid it
[20:33] <diddledan> aah
[20:34]  * diddledan does some hobbies as ordered by willcooke
[20:34] <diddledan> I love them hobbies
[20:34] <diddledan> hobbies is Teh awesome
[20:35] <diddledan> (capital T on Teh becuase I can't be bothered to tell hexchat to not autocorrect :-p)
[20:35] <diddledan> fixed.
[20:35] <diddledan> teh
[20:35] <diddledan> \o/
[20:56] <grebulus> evening all
[20:56] <grebulus> Just wondering if this was god for an Ubuntu dev. ? http://ebay.eu/1DBCajQ
[20:57] <grebulus> **good, chrickey
[20:58] <awilkins> Looks a nice enough machine
[20:58] <awilkins> 4GB of RAM will be enough for most things but I'd prefer 8
[20:59] <awilkins> But you can get SODIMMS cheap
[20:59] <grebulus> cheers, think i'll get it as on ubuntu-on-air they all use thnkpads.
[20:59] <diddledan> 4GB won't be enough if you're in the habbit of running any VMs
[20:59] <awilkins> I like Levonos build quality
[20:59] <awilkins> Good solid casing
[20:59] <awilkins> Shame about the adware, but you'll be installing Ubuuntu on it :-)
[21:00] <grebulus> yes, prettty much.
[21:00] <awilkins> Hardware usually well supported on Linux, being Intel stylee
[21:01] <grebulus> tired of trying to get a distroshare.com on me chromebook.
[21:01] <awilkins> And you can flip the Fn and Ctrl keys in the bios
[21:01] <awilkins> (stupid nonstandard keyboard layouts *spit*)
[21:01] <awilkins> It has the nice bevel edge keys instead of the stupid chiclets on the newer ones too
[21:02] <grebulus> right, but i'll be using another usb keyboard ofcourse.
[21:03] <grebulus> just hope it doesn't go over £200.
[21:08] <m0nkey_> wtf, when did the synergy project start charging?
[21:08] <awilkins> Do they actually charge, or are they just pestering?
[21:08] <awilkins> I know they've started to be *really* annoying
[21:09] <awilkins> I donated and they spam me a lot
[21:09] <m0nkey_> http://synergy-project.org/ .. find me a download link
[21:09] <awilkins> Hmmph
[21:10] <awilkins> Source is on GIthub
[21:10] <awilkins> They don't technically have to provide you with binaries
[21:10] <diddledan> https://synergy-project.org/nightly for CI builds
[21:10] <m0nkey_> I know that, but I currently don't have a build environment for windows
[21:10] <awilkins> ^ link above
[21:12] <m0nkey_> ta
[21:12] <diddledan> m0nkey_, I can email it to you if you want the stable version
[21:12] <m0nkey_> diddledan, i'd appreciate that
[21:12] <diddledan> 64bit?
[21:12] <m0nkey_> I found binaries for 1.3.1
[21:12] <m0nkey_> yeah
[21:13] <awilkins> The main annoyance I always had was it not being compatible with the one in teh Debian repo  (because it was old)
[21:14] <awilkins> TBH the old builds work fine
[21:14] <awilkins> Not sure what value the esteemed Nick Bolton really adds to the thing
[21:15] <diddledan> apparently there's him and another guy who are claiming the funds as full-time employment?
[21:16] <awilkins> Yeah, can't comment on the economics of it but that's the picture (they probably do other work too)
[21:17] <diddledan> 1.4.18 can be gained from http://synergy-project.org/download/free/
[21:18] <awilkins> 1.6.2 is in the Debian repo
[21:18] <awilkins> You need the same minor version for the protocol to work
[21:18] <awilkins> Oh wait
[21:18] <awilkins> Sorry, that's the getdeb version
[21:19] <awilkins> Trusty and Utopic are on 1.4.12
[21:19] <awilkins> So will probably work with that version without further tinkering
[21:19] <awilkins> Prefer QuickSynergy as a UI for it
[21:19] <m0nkey_> it's working
[21:20] <awilkins> huzzah
[21:20] <m0nkey_> now just to get it to launch and start listening at login
[21:20] <m0nkey_> thanks again diddledan!
[21:21] <diddledan> no probs
[21:28] <grebulus> yay I won ! looks like I'm a developer now, then.
[21:28] <diddledan> you won?
[21:28] <awilkins> Auction on Lenovo lappy
[21:29] <diddledan> aah
[21:30] <m0nkey_> lol
[21:30] <m0nkey_> It seems a bit fishy to me
[21:31] <grebulus> still came to slightly under 200 with postage. :-)
[21:32] <grebulus> just no returns, posted .. but can always sell locally, i guess.
[21:32] <grebulus> maybe i will.
[21:32] <grebulus> in time.
[21:33] <grebulus> *shall