[09:43] <Trixsey> I get this error when I install Valknut (DCGUI) Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:43] <Trixsey> What can it be?
[09:43] <TokenBad> that is what was asking..and not even sure have nix drivers on the disk..
[09:43] <hondje> but all of that has nothing to do with me using telnet to talkers/muds.  It's no worse than playing quake or being on IRC w/out encryption ;-)
[09:43] <HappyFool> TokenBad: you don't need drivers from any disk, afaik (not sure about cedega)
[09:43] <Trixsey> Waht protocols do I need for p2p?
[09:43] <HappyFool> TokenBad: let me find the page on the wiki.. just a moment
[09:44] <Trixsey> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. What can this be? Do I need any special protocols for p2p?
[09:44] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:44] <HappyFool> repeating questions does not lead to answers
[09:44] <Trixsey> my IRC client is removing strings of my message
[09:45] <djm62> why doesn't TLS get used more?
[09:45] <Trixsey> Wait, let me do it one last time :p
[09:45] <Trixsey> I get this error when I install Valknut (DCGUI) Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. What can this be? Do I need any special protocols for p2p?
[09:45] <Trixsey> Ah, works now ;D
[09:45] <HappyFool> TokenBad: see here for info on nvidia drivers: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[09:45] <wazquis> anyone know a simple poker - texas hold'em game? just a single player with AI players to play against...
[09:45] <TokenBad> thanks HappyFool
[09:46] <Nightcr8w> greeting
[09:46] <delire> wazquis apt-cache search poker
[09:46] <Trixsey> wazquis, so many good free online clients.. why download an offline version?
[09:46] <wazquis> delire, found none i could use..
[09:46] <Trixsey> Try pokerstars
[09:47] <wazquis> Trixsey, well....i thought of that...just wanted to try it before playing against others :)
[09:47] <delire> wazquis don't play poker. i play 'go'.
[09:47] <Trixsey> delire, the japaneese chess like game?
[09:47] <wazquis> Trixsey, .com?
[09:47] <delire> Trixsey: yes
[09:47] <Phyrex> nah, nethack rules
[09:47] <Trixsey> delire, is it hard?
[09:47] <djm62> nethack DOES rule
[09:47] <delire> Trixsey: yes, but very rewarding.
[09:47] <delire> djm62: agreed
[09:47] <Trixsey> wazquis, yes... .com
[09:47] <resiak> Breezy isn't frozen, is it?
[09:47] <wazquis> Trixsey, only a windows client?
[09:48] <karljp> anyone know how to set up what gnome-volume-manager starts for "importing photos"
[09:48] <Trixsey> wazquis, I duno what they have
[09:48] <Trixsey> played it at a friends place
[09:48] <karljp> I don't want gthumb, I want a script of my own.
[09:48] <Trixsey> they wont have any source codes anyway
[09:48] <comfrey> hey all...
[09:48] <djm62> I introduced a friend to it 2 years ago, haven't seen her for about a year until this week...and she looked at the moon and said "finally I'll have better luck on nethack"
[09:48] <comfrey> i am having printing issues with cups...
[09:48] <hondje> karljp: system -> preferences -> removable drives and media preferences -> multimedia tab
[09:48] <Trixsey> oh, my friend is making a pokergame in java tho
[09:48] <delire> karljp: use ImageMagick's 'display' with python or similar.
[09:48] <Trixsey> maybe you could bother him some
[09:48] <Nightcr8w> dumb newbie question...what is Breezy
[09:48] <comfrey> after a recent upgrade...
[09:48] <Trixsey> distro?
[09:48] <Trixsey> Nightcr8w, its a distro?
[09:48] <HappyFool> Nightcr8w: next release of ubuntu
[09:49] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: nee version of Ubuntu, still in dev
[09:49] <comfrey> status 1 error
[09:49] <HappyFool> Nightcr8w: see the topic ;)
[09:49] <Nightcr8w> thanks
[09:49] <djm62> dumb but seasoned question...how hairy is breezy at the moment?  is it worth a shot for a look at beagle et al?
[09:49] <IIIEars> "Breezy Badger" is the next ubuntu/kubuntu version,
[09:49] <delire> anyone here involved in the ubuntu+google+python "Summer of Code"?
[09:49] <Trixsey> Whats the actual diffrance between Hoary and Breezer?
[09:49] <IIIEars> Even more refined and secure.
[09:49] <Trixsey> IIIEars, only the security thats been worked on?
[09:49] <Xyc0> delire: in a very small party yea, why?
[09:50] <Xyc0> part*
[09:50] <Trixsey> They still using GNOME?
[09:50] <Trixsey> I dont like GNOME
[09:50] <HappyFool> updated software. and currently only one works, if the topic is to be believed
[09:50] <delire> Xyc0: what are you working on?
[09:50] <hellraiser_rob> ho guys can anyone give me a hand with ati graphics drivers?
[09:50] <Trixsey> Yet im using GNOME
[09:50] <Trixsey> lol
[09:50] <HappyFool> Trixsey: tried kubuntu?
[09:50] <Xyc0> delire: New code for xmms
[09:50] <Trixsey> HappyFool, no.
[09:50] <delire> Trixsey: let's hope Breezy has better default icons than the current iteration..
[09:50] <delire> Xyc0: ok cool.
[09:50] <Trixsey> delire, lol yeah.. I changed mine already tho
[09:50] <hondje> yeah, I'll second that
[09:50] <Xyc0> um... icons can be changed
[09:50] <HappyFool> hellraiser_rob: ask specific questions, maybe someone can assist (not me, i have nvidia)
[09:51] <delire> Trixsey: everyone does
[09:51] <Trixsey> tho GNOME is fucking with me very often
[09:51] <Trixsey> I'm having theese wierd bugs
[09:51] <Xyc0> why demand something that is changed as easy as underware?
[09:51] <synd> hey im getting this error : checking for LIBGCRYPT - version >= 1.2.0... no
[09:51] <synd> configure: error: libgcrypt 1.2.0 or newer is required.
[09:51] <Trixsey> Xyc0, because its easy of them to change it for us :D
[09:51] <hellraiser_rob> i'm getting very poor fps, enemy territory won't run
[09:51] <delire> Xyc0: .. and everyone does.. that's the point.
[09:51] <synd> i cant figure out which libgcrypt i need
[09:51] <hellraiser_rob> what am i doing wrong, very frustrating
[09:51] <karljp> delire, why would I want "imagemagicks display with python or similar" to run?  I have a script of my own that does exactly what I wanted.
[09:51] <Trixsey> Easier of one dude changes the default... instead of having 15,000 dudes doing it
[09:52] <Xyc0> why don't you ask for something useful, like a menu editor that comes with gnome
[09:52] <Trixsey> one dude making diapers so 15,000 dudes wont have to shit themselves (and change underwear)
[09:52] <delire> karljp: if you have something that works then good.
[09:52] <hondje> wouldn't that be something you'd ask the gnome guys for, Xyc0 ?
[09:52] <IIIEars> All i could find on the wiki for Breezy Badger was that it's promised release will be in October.
[09:52] <Xyc0> Na, I'd just end up useing smeg anyways
[09:52] <randabis> I wish I could get my hands on that ubuntu add-on cd :/
[09:52] <Trixsey> Would I be able to upgrade from hoary?
[09:52] <HappyFool> hellraiser_rob: perhaps the driver hasn't actually been loaded? how many fps do you get with glxgears ? And have you checked the X log ? (/var/log/Xorg<seomthing>)
[09:52] <delire> Xyc0: lots of people see Ubuntu and comment on how distasteful the icons are. such things matter. not to me, i don't use icons at all.
[09:53] <hellraiser_rob> i get around 200fps, rubbish
[09:53] <djm62> Xyc0: what would be the politics of ubuntu writing a menu editor, if gnome didn't accept it?
[09:53] <hellraiser_rob> checking log now
[09:53] <imnes> Something wrong with the ubuntu archives?  I'm having all sorts of problems connecting with apt-get
[09:53] <Trixsey> imnes, yeah
[09:53] <Trixsey> I think they are partialy down
[09:53] <Seveas> imnes, paste the errors on a pastebin please...
[09:53] <Xyc0> I understand practicality is much needed in linux, but ICONS? Come on thats the least of our problems
[09:53] <Trixsey> I cant get in either :p
[09:53] <djm62> what icons are tasteless?  I just have one huge svg world icon with "Web Browser" underneath
[09:53] <Trixsey> imnes, I'm having trouble connecting atm too.. I thin
[09:53] <decaf> backport.mirrormax is down
[09:54] <hondje> I have a nice long list of things to fix, but most cant' really be pinned on the distro
[09:54] <Trixsey> I think it might be maintenance or something
[09:54] <Seveas> heh backports
[09:54] <IIIEars> ubuntupastebin.com or pastebin.com even #flood on freenode
[09:54] <Seveas> backports are evil
[09:54] <hellraiser_rob> what am i looking for in the log file?
[09:54] <Trixsey> Anyone here good with file transfer protocols and stuff? (not FTP this time, just the actual protocols)
[09:54] <hondje> firefox performance needs fixed, this is terrible to use as it is
[09:55] <HappyFool> hellraiser_rob: at a guess the string fragment 'ati' ? (not sure)
[09:55] <Seveas> Trixsey, probably, but you'll get more help if you just ask a question.
[09:55] <karljp> delire: yes, I do.  that's why I mentioned that in my initial query.  Hence my curiosity as to what on earth you were suggesting.  Perhaps reading entire sentences?
[09:55] <Xyc0> hondje: What are you having problems with?
[09:55] <imnes> http://pastebin.com/298534
[09:55] <imnes> I made some changes to my sources.list to try and put some mirrors in there manually but changed back . (Hopefully changed them all back)
[09:55] <hondje> Xyc0: incredibly slow to load pages, and when it's loading it goes max on the cpu, the window frame is drawn, but nothing in the window is shown
[09:55] <imnes> Anyway that's what I get.
[09:55] <Trixsey> Seveas, Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. What can this be? Do I need any special protocols for p2p?
[09:55] <randabis> hondje: the one in backports seems to run ok
[09:56] <Seveas> imnes, use archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <hellraiser_rob> its mentioned, but not with any obvious errors
[09:56] <Seveas> the us server is b0rking
[09:56] <IIIEars> ubotu flood is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com or http://pastebin.com #flood
[09:56] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[09:56] <hondje> large pages kill it, like the apple-x86 thread on slashdot
[09:56] <imnes> k
[09:56] <Seveas> Trixsey, what are you trying to do?
[09:56] <Xyc0> hondje: You sure it isn't your video drivers.  Everything sped up 10x after i installed the ati driver
[09:56] <Nightcr8w> is Ubuntu taking over where Debian is lacking or failing at
[09:56] <hondje> Xyc0: I'm fairly sure, unless the renderaccel extension is causing problems
[09:56] <djm62> large image directories seem to make nautilus unhappy
[09:56] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: yes, no
[09:57] <djm62> Nightcr8w: debian makes ubuntu possible
[09:57] <Trixsey> Seveas, start a DC++ (DCGUI client)
[09:57] <Trixsey> Sometimes its bugging on start.. sometimes its bugging on connect to hub
[09:57] <Trixsey> Whining about a missing protocll
[09:57] <Trixsey> protocol
[09:57] <Nightcr8w> ok..but debian seems to be slowing dying
[09:57] <Seveas> hmm, sorry, dunno about dc++
[09:57] <Xyc0> hondje: on my windows side firefox is sluggish, but on linux I got no problems at all
[09:57] <Trixsey> Valknut?
[09:57] <Nightcr8w> asking for help on the debian IRC channels totally sucks
[09:57] <hondje> Xyc0: I've had it run great on everything but ubuntu
[09:58] <marsh> Nightcr8w, why?
[09:58] <Nightcr8w> they all talk about other items other than debian issues
[09:58] <Nightcr8w> well...I havent seen much going on with Debian
[09:58] <Trixsey> Seveas, "For some reason I had to move all the QT environment variables to the BOTTOM of my /etc/profile"
[09:58] <Trixsey> I dont get what this dude means
[09:58] <imnes> That worked, thanks.
[09:58] <hondje> Xyc0: I can run it with ssh -X to a 800MHz P3 running sarge and it's more responsive then the pkg I have :-/
[09:58] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: they just released a new version, what do you mean?
[09:58] <Trixsey> He wrote a short note in the forum...   I've got it working exactly how I want now.
[10:01] <Seveas> Trixsey, that is stupid, you do not need that
[10:01] <djm62> I deleted most of my stuff once before realising that the CD was fine, there just wasn't room to make the image
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> went online for help in the irc.debian.org
[10:01] <hondje> karljp: You're welcome
[10:01] <Trixsey> hmh
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> and boom..nothing
[10:01] <IIIEars> Where does nautilus store it's RAM Cache settings?
[10:01] <Trixsey> Seveas, then tell me how to install valknut with apt-get :)
[10:01] <Xyc0> IIIEars: What was that link?
[10:01] <Seveas> Trixsey, remove that instance of valknut from your system and install dcgui-qt from synaptic or with apt-get
[10:01] <Trixsey> I duno where to apt-get it
[10:01] <Seveas> Trixsey, it's in multiverse iirc
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> got kinda screwed...but it was a test box before it goes into production
[10:01] <djm62> Nightcr8w: yeah, it's a SNAFU and a half...
[10:01] <IIIEars> XORG additional options for ati
[10:01] <Trixsey> I cant find it in synpatic
[10:01] <misfit-toy> I am getting a boot fsck error about /dev/hda3 and I can't repair it, any ideas?
[10:02] <marsh> Trixsey, everythings automated if you type 'apt-get install package-name' it's all done for you - dependencies and all !!! :)
[10:02] <Seveas> Trixsey, have you enabled universe??
[10:02] <Seveas> Trixsey: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:02] <migastro> hi, i just installed ubuntu but i couldn't install Lilo or grub, how can i do it now from the LiveCD
[10:02] <Xyc0> IIIEars: anything useful, i got the driver running fine so far
[10:02] <migastro> or from the install cd in rescue mode
[10:02] <Xyc0> Just no Guild Wars yet
[10:02] <Nightcr8w> nevertheless...the original point is...is Ubuntu going to pick up the slack from debian
[10:02] <djm62> Nightcr8w: going into #debian is more trouble than reading interminable web fora and source files.  They count that as a feature, rather than a bug.
[10:02] <hondje> oh neat, that's a nice touch in synaptic, the easy repo-addding thing
[10:02] <hondje> newbies much love that
[10:02] <Seveas> migastro, boot from livecd, mount your disks, chroot into your install and run grub-install
[10:02] <Nightcr8w> this group seems to me more active in correcting problems or fixing them as soon as they can
[10:03] <hondje> Nightcr8w: What slack from debian?
[10:03] <migastro> thanks, Seveas
[10:03] <IIIEars> ubotu repositories is  "Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto"
[10:03] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[10:03] <Nightcr8w> hondje ??? explain
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Nightcr8w: I wouldn't judge the Debian community from the IRC channel ;)
[10:03] <HappyFool> uboto repositories
[10:03] <marsh> Trixsey, see    http://ubuntuguide.org/ for howto for repo's etc....
[10:03] <hondje> Nightcr8w: You said 'is Ubuntu going to pick up the slack from debian'
[10:03] <djm62> Nightcr8w: ubuntu can be seen as playing "fast'n'loose", whereas debian is monolithic, protean, and thorough
[10:03] <rg58sma2> hola
[10:04] <hondje> Nightcr8w: Debian isn't dead, or dying, or anything. They just don't focus on the desktop
[10:04] <Trixsey> Seveas, I just enable all of those?
[10:04] <Seveas> hondje, they have no focus for any specific platform
[10:04] <Nightcr8w> hondje: debian has always been slow to update anything and if there is a problem..it takes forever to get corrected in the next release
[10:04] <Seveas> Trixsey, enable universe
[10:04] <IIIEars> ubotu guide is "http://www.ubuntuguide.org/"
[10:04] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[10:04] <Nightcr8w> it seems that in this group..things seems to move quicker
[10:04] <Xyc0> Seveas: They are quite focused on the Kernel and server attributes
[10:04] <Nightcr8w> you are planning another release in october
[10:04] <djm62> Nightcr8w: think of ubuntu as being a lithe, entrepreneurial department of the IBM-style behemoth debian
[10:05] <thoreauputic> Nightcr8w: Debian and Ubuntu each need each other - and Debian is not dying at all
[10:05] <hondje> Nightcr8w: yeah, slow to make stable, but if you're an admin you want that...important things get fixed
[10:05] <jllitvay> installed ubuntu does not recognize my root password
[10:05] <marsh> Trixsey, http://ubuntuguide.org/ is still the best...
[10:05] <Seveas> Xyc0, well not really, they focus on stability and that's essential for a server :)
[10:05] <Trixsey> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[10:05] <Trixsey> :(
[10:05] <Nightcr8w> djm62: gotcha.. :-)
[10:05] <Seveas> marsh, not really...
[10:05] <Xyc0> jllitvay: you need to creat a root password
[10:05] <hondje> Seveas: They dont' really need to focus, that's what makes debian so kick-ass
[10:05] <Seveas> ubuntuguide contains some serious errors
[10:05] <Xyc0> jllitvay: type sudo before root commands
[10:05] <jllitvay> I installed via expert mode.
[10:05] <marsh> Seveas, why not?
[10:05] <Seveas> hondje, indeed
[10:05] <hondje> Ubuntu comes along and gets down with the desktop, while Bruce Perens gets his UL on
[10:05] <IIIEars> Debian is fine RedHat is evil - j/k
[10:06] <Nightcr8w> everyone:  thanks for your input and opinions
[10:06] <Seveas> IIIEars, it's true :)
[10:06] <thoreauputic> marsh: a couple of us spent an hour helping a guy fix his system after he copied a sourves list from ubuntuguide :/
[10:06] <jllitvay> in console it works, but via menu doesnot
[10:06] <anmar> Hello. Is NDIS Wrapper for the broadcom wireless chipset is considered a good alternative to Centrino
[10:06] <Xyc0> Fedora Core has its place, and its not on my Puter
[10:06] <marsh> Seveas, being...?
[10:06] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - ugh - what to do....
[10:07] <marsh> Seveas, but nothing else will give support for 'politically incorrect' stuff
[10:07] <marsh> will it?
[10:07] <hondje> And why is checkinstall so popular? :o
[10:07] <Trixsey> Seveas, ok done that now.. it whines some tho.. How do I change from the us fileserver to another?
[10:07] <Trixsey> in SPM
[10:07] <djm62> is there any equivalent to the mandrake website which generates suitable files?
[10:07] <marsh> Seveas, thoreauputic: does that mean it's probably best to remove their repos when yr not wanting something in them?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: he had a backports firefox that confused apt completely
[10:07] <Amaranth> hondje: easy way to manage your manually compiled things
[10:08] <thoreauputic> marsh: indeed
[10:08] <IIIEars> ubotu guide is also "Please use the wiki for an updated list of repositories"
[10:08] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[10:08] <IIIEars> !guide
[10:08] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:08] <hondje> Amaranth: so you don't force deps on manually compiled things?
[10:08] <Amaranth> hondje: no, so you can remove manually compiled things
[10:08] <Trixsey> marsh, , ok done that now.. it whines some tho.. How do I change from the us fileserver to another?
[10:08] <Trixsey> in SPM
[10:08] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: the bot is sick - I think it's best to leave the poor thing alone until he gets some medication ;)
[10:09] <IIIEars> ubotu bedrest is what you need.
[10:09] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[10:09] <Seveas> Trixsey, you cannot do it in synaptic, but the following will do it:
[10:09] <hondje> Amaranth: ah, I never saw it work right for that :(
[10:09] <Amaranth> ubotu: bedrest
[10:09] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Amaranth
[10:09] <Amaranth> haha
[10:09] <Seveas> sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:09] <IIIEars> lol
[10:09] <svmaris> What's up with Marillat's repo? I get MD5Sum mismatches on Packages.gz
[10:10] <Amaranth> svmaris: marillat is unsupported and known to break ubuntu installs
[10:10] <marsh> Trixsey, mine's gb by default & i just stick with that.... probably worth reading what these guys & I have been saying about ubuntuguide.org stuff :/...
[10:10] <Seveas> !bedrest
[10:10] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:10] <Amaranth> shit, cafuego never got ubotu's DCC module setup
[10:10] <thoreauputic> ubotu is suffering from premature senility...
[10:10] <ubotu> No idea, thoreauputic
[10:10] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:10] <svmaris> Amaranth, so what's the 'correct' way off adding dvd/mp3-support to Ubuntu?
[10:10] <IIIEars> hm - noticed marillat no longer has some desireable codecs.
[10:11] <Amaranth> svmaris: *shrug*
[10:11] <Amaranth> isn't gstreamer-mad in universe?
[10:11] <hondje> IIIEars: in w32codecs?
[10:11] <IIIEars> svmaris gstreamer-mad and libdvdcss2
[10:12] <IIIEars> hondje - you'll have to check
[10:12] <svmaris> IIIEars, libdvdcss2 is not in the official repositories
[10:12] <hondje> hrm
[10:12] <svmaris> Amaranth, what's wrong?
[10:12] <Trixsey> Seveas, where did you say Valknut was in SPM?
[10:12] <djm62> so...is breezy particularly horrible at the moment?
[10:12] <bleck> Hey, anyone having problems with 404 not found while updates sources?
[10:12] <IIIEars> svarmis you'll if given a choice want i think woddy releases sarge is for a later ubuntu release.
[10:13] <Seveas> Trixsey, it's called dcgui-qt
[10:13] <Seveas> in universe
[10:13] <Seveas> bleck, the us.archive server is bugging
[10:13] <svmaris> djm62, at the moment, it is ... (I just updated)
[10:13] <bleck> ahhh, just making sure it wasn't me =)
[10:13] <bleck> does ubuntu come with an application to burn iso files?
[10:14] <djm62> svmaris: that isn't the ellipsis of doubt, I presume :(
[10:14] <Seveas> bleck, you can simply mount them
[10:14] <Seveas> bleck, or use gnomebaker / graveman
[10:14] <Seveas> k3b for kubuntu
[10:14] <djm62> bleck: in nautilus, right-click on an ISO
[10:14] <HappyFool> bleck: or right click on the iso and 'write to cd'
[10:14] <bleck> alright, thanks (its bin/cue) and i know k3b... can't get it though :P
[10:14] <pfp> bleck: or use k3b
[10:14] <Amaranth> things built for sarge will not run on hoary
[10:14] <djm62> bleck: as in, right click on the icon representing the ISO
[10:15] <hondje> Why don't more ppl use nautilus for burning? I never got that
[10:15] <bleck> djm62: does that work for bin/cue
[10:15] <svmaris> djm62, I get a lot of errors with 'find' on boot, because some order of parameters is not supported/deprecated/whatever
[10:15] <pfp> hmm, how does one use these bin+cue things under linux?
[10:15] <Dready> Belkin F5D6050 is indeed the hardest to configure wireless adapter known to linux
[10:15] <svmaris> djm62, but I just noticed that, so I'm trying to figure out what excactly is wrong
[10:15] <IIIEars> svarmis http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/ this will have the dvdcss2 codec
[10:15] <Amaranth> pfp: bchunk
[10:15] <bleck> pfp:k3b works fine... or bin2iso
[10:15] <djm62> svmaris: ah, I'd rather not worry about that sort of thing for the sake of CIL/beagle...I can wait for it to mature a bit
[10:15] <svmaris> IIIEars, I know about VLC, thanks
[10:15] <pfp> Amaranth: tried bchunk, but it produced just 600M or garbage :/
[10:16] <pfp> didn't know that k3b handles them too
[10:16] <Xyc0> hey, what codex package should i look for WMV support?
[10:17] <svmaris> djm62, ah ... beagle won't run on my Breezy, but then again, I don't use gnome
[10:17] <Seveas> w32codecs, or the codecs from mplayerhq.hu
[10:17] <djm62> bleck: I only do rip/mix/burn, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with anything beyond that terminology ;)
[10:17] <IIIEars> Xyco - hm - good question the only one i am familiar with is w32codecs. - there must be others.
[10:18] <svmaris> Amaranth, what kind of stuff in marillat breaks Ubuntu?
[10:18] <Xyc0> Seveas: This must be an odd file then, cause I have the w32 codex installed
[10:18] <djm62> svmaris: I've used it after a ton of compiling, and it is going to be wicked cool...but the point is that it's like magic, and spending half an hour a night exorcising my computer detracts from that ;)
[10:18] <Amaranth> svmaris: well, if you build the source packages it might not be that bad
[10:18] <seraphiel> is there file I can put commands in, in order to get that command to run every
[10:18] <seraphiel> time I boot
[10:18] <Amaranth> svmaris: but sarge and hoary don't even have the same libc
[10:19] <svmaris> djm62, I played with Beagle a while ago and it looked very nice .. .but most of my data is on a NFS-share, which it will not index :/
[10:19] <svmaris> Amaranth, I see ... thanks
[10:20] <HappyFool> seraphiel: yes
[10:21] <HappyFool> seraphiel: i think you can add them to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:21] <djm62> I guess breezy will still be months ahead of longhorn...I haven't found that hoary has dated at all, really
[10:21] <seraphiel> HappyFool, ok. will try. thanks
[10:21] <TokenBad> well so far..not been happy with cedega
[10:21] <TokenBad> heheh
[10:22] <thoreauputic> djm62: heh - it's only been released for 2 months after all
[10:22] <svmaris> Amaranth, but shouldn't the whole dependency-checking prevent me to install binary incompatible stuff?
[10:22] <Amaranth> svmaris: it probably would
[10:22] <Amaranth> svmaris: thus the build from source
[10:22] <djm62> 2 months without dist-upgrade?!?!?
[10:22] <Amaranth> svmaris: before you could install on hoary, it caused problems
[10:23] <katoc> hi there!... one question....
[10:23] <thoreauputic> djm62: well, there have been quite a few security updates
[10:23] <TokenBad> for some reason cedega not play pariah, mvp2005 is slow as hell and boiling point will not play on it either..
[10:23] <misfit-toy> is there a GUI for looking at services?
[10:23] <katoc> i could add packages to ubuntu installation cd??
[10:23] <svmaris> Amaranth, understood
[10:24] <misfit-toy> I am getting a boot fsck error about /dev/hda3 and I can't repair it, any ideas?
[10:24] <HappyFool> misfit-toy: not sure what you mean, but you could try sysv-rc-conf (for your services question)
[10:24] <djm62> misfit-toy: have you logged in as root to fsck it manually?
[10:24] <misfit-toy> HappyFool, thanks
[10:25] <djm62> oh...you don't have a root passwd, of course...
[10:25] <misfit-toy> djm62, the system auto boots to root in the instance of the error and I unmount the partition and fsck fails on it, bad superblock
[10:25] <katoc> sorry, someone has custom a installation CD?
[10:25] <marsh> this is pants - hours of searching and i still can't find an id3 tagger to put larger than 15-20 chars in an album tag!!?!   I'm sure that id3v2.4 should be expandable to whatever you want... isn't it?
[10:25] <HappyFool> marsh: id3v2 didn't do it?
[10:26] <djm62> misfit-toy: is it mountable?
[10:26] <marsh> id3lib was excellent on fc3... how come ubuntu refuse to use it?
[10:26] <marsh> HappyFool, i'll try...
[10:26] <Luakagon> Where is my c compiler!?!?
[10:26] <misfit-toy> djm62, hold on
[10:26] <djm62> misfit-toy: for that matter, what does /etc/fstab have in it?
[10:26] <djm62> errors=remount-readonly
[10:27] <misfit-toy> djm62, /dev/hda3     /home     ext3     defaults,user_xattr     1 2
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Luakagon:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:27] <marsh> HappyFool, sorry i a bit behind - it's starting to turmoil in my head
[10:27] <marsh> the demons are coming...
[10:27] <HappyFool> marsh: this works for me:     id3v2 -A 'some long title name is this' 01_bulletproof_cupid.mp3
[10:27] <Luakagon> okey
[10:27] <langerst> just installed ubuntu today-tried to install xmms through synaptic after uncommenting the "universe" section in my apt-get sources
[10:27] <langerst> no dice
[10:27] <langerst> any ideas?
[10:27] <marsh> >>>: (
[10:28] <HappyFool> marsh: no sweat ;) i know what it's like to struggle with computer problems
[10:28] <Luakagon> thanks you
[10:28] <misfit-toy> djm62, I don't even know why this partition is on this system, weird. and it says /home but I can get to /home no problem
[10:28] <djm62> misfit-toy: you can get to it, but it's empty, I think
[10:28] <misfit-toy> djm62, nope, I just installed tomboy off it
[10:28] <thoreauputic> langerst: either a syntax error in your list or you forgot to update
[10:29] <HappyFool> langerst: xmms is in main
[10:29] <marsh> HappyFool, YIPPPEEEEE!!!! :)))!!!
[10:29] <HappyFool> marsh: heh ;)
[10:29] <djm62> misfit-toy: what options did you give to fsck?
[10:29] <marsh> thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou....
[10:29] <marsh> bloody hell - that was work...
[10:29] <misfit-toy> djm62, I ran it with -p and also -b 8193
[10:29] <marsh> really couldn't see the wood for the trees there... Phew!!
[10:29] <langerst> hmm.  I know I updated, and I tried installing both before and after changes my sources file
[10:29] <Luakagon> hmm, how do I install glib now?
[10:29] <langerst> xmms dependencies downloaded but no xmms
[10:30] <marsh> HappyFool, thanks. ;)
[10:30] <HappyFool> marsh: np
[10:30] <Loki|muh> hi
[10:31] <HappyFool> langerst: could just be the site you're using -- apparently the us mirror is having problems (?)
[10:31] <thoreauputic> langerst: are you sure main isn't commented out or something? it's easy to miss the obvious
[10:31] <Loki|muh> gulpembe_ does autoquery on join!
[10:31] <thoreauputic> langerst: I had a similar issue, and discovered I'd made a mistake with my list
[10:31] <langerst> I'll have  look at my list now
[10:31] <djm62> misfit-toy: type 'mount' to check that it is actually mounted correctly
[10:32] <Razor-X> hondje said he uses TWM-GL
[10:32] <HappyFool> you can change the repositories from synaptic
[10:32] <Razor-X> but after learning that the designer was on LSD while he wrote this... I have my doubts on it's excellence ;)
[10:32] <Loki|muh> I want to compile php4-mysql on my own because of segfaults corresponding to another package not in ubuntu. how can I do this without compiling all php?
[10:32] <djm62> misfit-toy: then shift the data off it and format that partition...if the error won't go away it can start to eat files
[10:32] <misfit-toy> djm62, it's not mounted
[10:33] <misfit-toy> yet I can get to /home
[10:33] <misfit-toy> wow
[10:33] <misfit-toy> djm62, when I do  sudo mount /dev/hda3 /home
[10:33] <djm62> misfit-toy: /home is the location, but anything you see on /home at the moment is on  the / filesystem
[10:34] <misfit-toy> djm62, I get mount: special device /dev/hda3 does not exist
[10:34] <Loki|muh> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root in the topic is a dead link
[10:34] <misfit-toy> djm62, ok
[10:34] <misfit-toy> djm62, I didn't create that partition, does the ubuntu install do that?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> hrmph... 20 second lag
[10:34] <djm62> misfit-toy: ls -al /dev/hda3
[10:34] <HappyFool> also try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:34] <Razor-X> anyone here use btdownloadcures?
[10:35] <misfit-toy> djm62, ls: /dev/hda3: No such file or directory
[10:35] <djm62> misfit-toy: ls -alh /dev/hda3
[10:35] <misfit-toy> djm62, same
[10:35] <Razor-X> I take that as a no?
[10:35] <djm62> misfit-toy: try what HappyFool said
[10:35] <misfit-toy> djm62, it's weird, this system acts completely normal but I rebooted today and got this fsck error.
[10:36] <HappyFool> Razor-X: not for a long while
[10:36] <djm62> misfit-toy: have you changed anything about it
[10:36] <misfit-toy> djm62, installed beagle and tomboy last night, went without errors
[10:36] <Razor-X> HappyFool: well, Azureus eats up all my CPU and hoses my machine, whereas btdownloadcurses can only acheive about 1.3 k/s
[10:36] <misfit-toy> djm62, you mean try this: $ sudo sysv-rc-conf?
[10:37] <langerst> thoreaup -any way I can send you the sources.list file ?  I am not seeing anything too weird.
[10:37] <misfit-toy> djm62, I thought that was in ref to my services question
[10:37] <djm62> misfit-toy: what, exactly, do you get if you type ls -al /home
[10:37] <Luakagon> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build;  give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[10:37] <HappyFool> Razor-X: sorry, i'm not a bittorrent guru. i did find downloading the hoary install iso was faster via http though ;) (this was the weekend of the release)
[10:37] <misfit-toy> djm62, i get a list of my folders in /home
[10:37] <djm62> misfit-toy: HappyFool: also try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:37] <djm62> misfit-toy: what folders?
[10:37] <misfit-toy> my own
[10:37] <misfit-toy> that's the only one there
[10:37] <decaf> Luakagon: install linux-headers package for your kernel
[10:38] <djm62> misfit-toy: how did you edit /etc/fstab to make beagle work?
[10:38] <TokenBad> bah...cedega was a waste of time
[10:38] <misfit-toy> djm62, I haven't yet
[10:38] <crush> i'm may be getting an acer lappy. its an aspire 303wlci. anybody like acers?
[10:38] <HappyFool> langerst: paste it up at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:38] <hondje> TokenBad: $15 down the drain?
[10:38] <djm62> misfit-toy: I think a spurious line has crept into your /etc/fstab from somewhere
[10:38] <HappyFool> langerst: and paste the URL here
[10:38] <misfit-toy> djm62, good point
[10:38] <misfit-toy> djm62, I will comment it out and reboot
[10:39] <misfit-toy> djm62, thanks
[10:39] <HappyFool> no need to reboot
[10:39] <migAstro> hum, lwhen booting lilo says L 04 04 04.... and so, how can i fix it?
[10:39] <djm62> misfit-toy: hurry back...I want to see if it's right ;)
[10:39] <toran> hey guys, could someone make a debian package of kmuddy (http://kmuddy.net)?
[10:39] <TokenBad> hondje, the games I have tried so far not work on it..and the only game that does work..is way to fucking slow
[10:39] <misfit-toy> HappyFool, but I want to see if it throws that fsck error when I boot.
[10:39] <Razor-X> hondje: I have my reservations about TWM-GL after seeing the creator was on LSD when he wrote it ;)
[10:39] <misfit-toy> brb
[10:39] <toran> I've tried and tried and couldn't get it
[10:39] <HappyFool> hrm
[10:39] <hondje> TokenBad: it's pretty much only good for games on the official-supported list
[10:39] <djm62> HappyFool: easier to reboot....
[10:39] <hondje> Razor-X: hehe, but its' hilarious
[10:39] <HappyFool> first try that fdisk -l thing
[10:39] <Razor-X> hondje: can I see a screenshot?
[10:39] <HappyFool> at least you'll know if /dev/hda3 actually makes *sense*
[10:40] <hondje> Razor-X: Oh, I don't actually have it installed, that was a joke
[10:40] <Razor-X> oh, heh ;)
[10:40] <hondje> though I really do have root set to use twm
[10:40] <djm62> HappyFool: his files are in /home, and /dev/hda3 doesn't exist, and isn't mounted....it must be a cut-n-paste job
[10:40] <Razor-X> hondje: have you used BT?
[10:40] <HappyFool> fair enough
[10:40] <hondje> Razor-X: BT?
[10:40] <Razor-X> BitTorrent
[10:41] <Razor-X> a non-sequitur, I kow
[10:41] <Razor-X> *know
[10:41] <Razor-X> but, bear with me, i'm having trouble
[10:41] <djm62> HappyFool: we'll see....that explanation is pretty bizarre too
[10:41] <langerst> ok this is the sources file i am using- anyone have any ideas why xmms won't apt-get install (or through synaptic) http://rafb.net/paste/results/mTfDrm53.html
[10:41] <james_ed> question...how can i download from the cli?
[10:41] <hondje> Oh, I used it for an iso once, to see what the fuss was all about
[10:41] <hondje> Razor-X: But never know if I know something, slight as the chances may be :)
[10:41] <HappyFool> langerst: i think the us mirror might be broken
[10:41] <Triffid_Hunter> james_ed: wget
[10:41] <TokenBad> hondje,  yeah I noticed but don't play the games on that list
[10:42] <TokenBad> heheh
[10:42] <TokenBad> which is why it was a waste
[10:42] <crush> ..thinking about buying a laptop. anybody have experiences with those new, warm-running acers?
[10:42] <HappyFool> langerst: try changing all the us.archive.ubuntu.com 's to archive.ubuntu.com 's
[10:42] <hondje> TokenBad: Well, your $15 went to feed a hungry dev, guess there's a silver lining ;-)
[10:42] <toran> hey guys, could someone make a debian package of kmuddy (http://kmuddy.net)? I tried and didn't get anywhere i_i
[10:42] <HappyFool> langerst: you can always change back later
[10:42] <Amaranth> toran: put it up on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[10:43] <Razor-X> hondje: well, Azureus is using all my CPU, and the main reason I don't like other clients (like the Bittornado curses interface i'm using now) is because it's real slow
[10:43] <katoc> hi again
[10:43] <GNULinuxer> when I do a default install of hoary from the CD, does it install ALL packages?
[10:43] <hondje> toran: gnome-mud is waaaay better than kmuddy, give it a look
[10:43] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: yeah
[10:43] <TokenBad> it supposed to play farcry...guess will reinstall it
[10:43] <Razor-X> not that much, though
[10:43] <brum> is there an apt package for php5?
[10:43] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: no
[10:43] <toran> hondje: kmuddy blows it out of the water. I did give it a look ;-)
[10:43] <IIIEars> crush - look into the wifi chip included - ndis wrapper works but needs to be configured for some.
[10:43] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: for instance, gcc is not installed by default
[10:43] <E0x> GNULinuxer all packages of the cd
[10:43] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: for some value of "all"
[10:43] <hondje> toran: hehe, different folks, different mud clients
[10:43] <E0x> i think
[10:43] <langerst> HappyFool: will do , thanks
[10:43] <misfit-toy> djm62, you were correct, I guess beagle did it?
[10:43] <hondje> Razor-X: I read in another forum about that, hold on
[10:44] <katoc> gnustep on ubuntu?
[10:44] <GNULinuxer> I mean all packages in the CD
[10:44] <toran> hondje: surprisingly enough, I couldn't stand gnome-mud. Not to mention it crashed several times on me. I have lots of reasons to hate it ;-)
[10:44] <Razor-X> brum: don't think so
[10:44] <TokenBad> hmm
[10:44] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: no. gcc is on the CD
[10:44] <TokenBad> this not good
[10:44] <Razor-X> I ran an apt-search
[10:44] <caonex> hey i just installed ubunt and i am trying to do apt-get update but i get an error like us.ubuntu server is down?
[10:44] <hondje> toran: I mostly just use a terminal, but I liked the automapping
[10:44] <Razor-X> HappFool: it is?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> E0x: no, some packages are on the CD and are not installed
[10:44] <djm62> misfit-toy: packages shouldn't alter /etc without permission
[10:44] <TokenBad> my dvd drive not working now
[10:44] <HappyFool> Razor-X: yip
[10:44] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, how to install all packages in the CD ?
[10:44] <E0x> oh
[10:44] <TokenBad> even though it was a min ago
[10:44] <brum> Razor: ok... i couldnt find one either
[10:44] <Razor-X> mmmm, it should be installed by default
[10:44] <misfit-toy> djm62, oh well, that was weird, I'm going to have a small cigar then figure out why this box isn't getting any name resolution, thanks for the help.
[10:44] <toran> for some reason I just loved kmuddy
[10:44] <misfit-toy> djm62, no kidding!
[10:44] <djm62> misfit-toy: random (and bizarre) snafu...it happens
[10:44] <Triffid_Hunter> lol djm62 ubuntu is the worst distro for silently borking configs that i've ever used
[10:44] <toran> I mainly need it for the aliases
[10:44] <toran> and triggers
[10:44] <brum> razor: thought it might under a strange name possibly
[10:44] <toran> etc
[10:44] <IIIEars> HappyFool - What is build-essentials?
[10:45] <misfit-toy> biab, thanks
[10:45] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: it doesn't really work that way...
[10:45] <djm62> Triffid_Hunter: is that using synaptic?
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> nope
[10:45] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: i don't think you want to. use synaptic to find the software you need
[10:45] <djm62> apt is apt as far as config alterations go
[10:45] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, if gcc is there in the CD, why doesn't it install?
[10:45] <HappyFool> IIIEars: are we playing a quiz game ? :)
[10:45] <hondje> toran: give me a sec, I'll see if I can't whip up a deb for you
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> its bleh then.. friend of mine has his grub config and his nvidia driver nuked every time he updates
[10:45] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: cos most people don't need it
[10:45] <hondje> Razor-X: what version are you using?
[10:46] <IIIEars> kynaptic/synaptic is great!
[10:46] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: desktop/ beginner/ non-dev focus?
[10:46] <djm62> but then I've found ubuntu to be one of the best defaulted distributions....
[10:46] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, is there any way I can add the CD as a repo?
[10:46] <Razor-X> hondje: newest
[10:46] <Triffid_Hunter> best defaulted?
[10:46] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: it should be a repository by default
[10:46] <hondje> Razor-X: <IP_ADDRESS> is said to be better, though concensus seems to be that the code is screwed and leaks like ... well, like it does
[10:46] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: apt-cdrom add
[10:46] <djm62> when potato was around, you HAD to mess with /etc
[10:46] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, I am a [to be]  Gnome developer, shifting to Ubuntu
[10:46] <IIIEars> HappyFool - no, - grin - it's just that i thought build essentials was gcc for ubuntu.....
[10:47] <djm62> Triffid_Hunter: it worked completely out of the box, in a way that I liked...the only config I did was in $HOME
[10:47] <HappyFool> IIIEars: well, it depends on gcc. and g++ and make, i think.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: so install build-essential and use apt-cache search
[10:47] <katoc> welll i guess im alone in the modify distros world
[10:47] <katoc> by everyone
[10:47] <TokenBad> what is going on with this...why can't I eject my dvd drive now
[10:47] <Razor-X> hondje: that's what I thought
[10:47] <Triffid_Hunter> TokenBad: it has to be unmounted before you can eject it
[10:47] <IIIEars> Welcome GNULinuxer :0
[10:47] <heavy> are there alternate apt servers other than us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[10:48] <langerst> HappyFool: updating now- no errors yet
[10:48] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, can you tell me step-by-step ?   I had xp on one partition, and ubuntu on a second...blew away ubuntu, resized ntfs partition to fill drive, and now grub fails with error 22, (I know I deleted the boot table) how can I boot back to windows?
[10:48] <HappyFool> heavy: archive.ubuntu.com
[10:48] <langerst> damn satellite connection... .... ...
[10:48] <caonex> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:48] <caonex> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:48] <caonex> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:48] <Razor-X> oh, and anyone here use emacs?
[10:48] <djm62> IIIEars: is number III the final front ear?
[10:48] <hondje> Razor-X: I really don't know much about bittorrent apps
[10:48] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i do
[10:48] <djm62> Razor-X: I do
[10:48] <IIIEars> lol - i love mp3s
[10:48] <TokenBad> djm62, your way worked
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> Q_Continuum: you need to rewrite your windows mbr.. ask a windows channel for information about fixing windows :P
[10:48] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: ? I suggest you do `sudo apt-get install apt-howto ` and read about apt
[10:48] <Razor-X> HappFool,djm62: interested in writing nice, n00b friendly docs for emacs?
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, fine
[10:49] <Q_Continuum> Triffid_Hunter, I know I need to do that...but grub's still installed
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, I am a bit new to apt
[10:49] <Razor-X> IIIEars: that's why you use cplay ;)
[10:49] <el_zor0> anyone know a relatively new laptop that ubuntu has full support for?
[10:49] <robert> hey, anyone?
[10:49] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: you can find synaptic under System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[10:49] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: there's lots of docs on Debian.org as well
[10:49] <Triffid_Hunter> Q_Continuum: that'd be why you need to reinstall your windows mbr...
[10:49] <Q_Continuum> and I changed the administrator account, and created a locked-dummy account so I can't...all I want is for grub (which appears to partially still be installed)
[10:49] <djm62> Razor-X: have you tried 'alt-x tutorial'?
[10:49] <Q_Continuum> grub is half-installed
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, I have used Synaptic
[10:50] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, from an xp setup cd choose rescue mode and run fdisk /mbt
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> I just need to have it regenerate a list of OS's
[10:50] <karljp> elzoro: depending on what network card you chose, most of the dells
[10:50] <Razor-X> HappyFool,djm62: same scope as the Ubuntu guide, with just a tad bit more user-knowledge
[10:50] <djm62> el_zor0: hp compaq nx9020
[10:50] <Seveas>  /mbr
[10:50] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, but I am a CLI guy
[10:50] <karljp> just choose a real centrino wireless, instead of a dell truemobile
[10:50] <Razor-X> djm62: it's for a project to try and introduce the Ubuntu n00b to the Command Line
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> Seveas, I can't.  I secured the administrator account, and it won't let me use the real one.
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> so I *HAVE* to use grub.
[10:50] <IIIEars> Seveas has it. - again - grin
[10:50] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: hrm. well, in that case i would read the apt-howto
[10:50] <djm62> Razor-X: have you tried the emacs tutorial?
[10:50] <Razor-X> I myself don't use emacs, I use vi, so i'll be writing documentation for that
[10:50] <langerst> HappyFool: it's actually downloading the xmms package now! that's new and exciting
[10:50] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, you cannot use grub if you have no linux install
[10:50] <Razor-X> long ago, yes ;)
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> damn.
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> then I am fuxored.
[10:51] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, what is the alternative for rpm -ql in apt?
[10:51] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: why are you fucked?
[10:51] <el_zor0> djmb2 : the works? hibernate/suspend , wireless, etc?
[10:51] <IIIEars> Q - Grub is best. lilo requires an extra step to activate
[10:51] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, and you do not need to be windos administrator
[10:51] <djm62> el_zor0: yep
[10:51] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: dpkg -L
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> Seveas, off the XP CD you do.
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> lol Q_Continuum what's stopping you from writing a windows mbr on to the disk?
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> to run fixmbr
[10:51] <el_zor0> djm62: thats tight, thx!
[10:51] <djm62> el_zor0: and completely out of the box
[10:51] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, fine
[10:51] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, then use a win98 bootdisk :)
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> I renamed Administrator
[10:51] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: what's the problem?
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> created a dummy adminisrator w/no priveleges, gave him a complex pw and locked the account
[10:51] <IIIEars> Q - don't panic - lilo giving you a screen filled eith garbage? disk error?
[10:51] <djm62> el_zor0: ebuyer.co.uk had them going cheap...I was pleasantly surprised
[10:51] <Seveas> fdisk /mbr is fdisk /mbr, regardless of the windows version used
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> to prevent any remote-login attems
[10:52] <GNULinuxer> Okay guys, I am going to install Hoary now ... should be back in an hour ... wish me luck !
[10:52] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: so, you want to reenter your system?
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[10:52] <HappyFool> Razor-X: not following the emacs tutorial thing
[10:52] <HappyFool> Razor-X: you have heard of emacswiki ?
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> grub boot menu went poof when I blew away ubuntu
[10:52] <Razor-X> then, use fdisk /mbr, like Seveas says
[10:52] <Razor-X> HappyFool: not an emacs user
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> all I need is something that will allow me to point it at that ntfs partition and boot from it
[10:52] <el_zor0> djm62: I'm in states, so shipping could burn me there
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> I was hoping I could use grub
[10:52] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, that's because the menu is on the ubunto /boot/grub directory, you cannot use grub without it
[10:52] <HappyFool> Razor-X: now i'm even more confused ;)
[10:52] <djm62> el_zor0: ebuyer.com in your case....
[10:52] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, then use a win98 bootdisk :) <-----
[10:53] <robert> I'd like to backup all of my internet config files, which should I backup?
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Q_Continuum: put a windows mbr on the drive for the 100th time, and it'll be fixed
[10:53] <caonex> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[10:53] <caonex>   404 Not Found
[10:53] <caonex>  ?
[10:53] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: best thing is to boot with a Win98 floppy, and run fdisk /mbr
[10:53] <robert> I am going to be installing a wireless router in a day or so... so I think I should
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> ok
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> I happen ot have one
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> heh
[10:53] <Seveas> caonex, us.archive server is bugging, use another mirror
[10:53] <el_zor0> djm62: oh, gotta love those international websites
[10:53] <Razor-X> HappyFool: It's a project at getting Ubuntu n00bs to use CLI
[10:53] <HappyFool> caonex: us mirror of archive is down.
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> win98 can't read NTFS :(
[10:53] <eruin> us mirror is bugging alot as of late
[10:53] <caonex> Seveas, i see thanks
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> caonex: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:53] <Razor-X> we're trying to amass documentation in different things, so that, we won't just present them nano, rather the whole buffet, nano, joe, emacs, vi, etc.
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: eek
[10:54] <IIIEars> Q_Contuum - yep been there - use a boot partition to install grub to - windows might erase it but linux installs won't it
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: admirable, but maybe you should focus on one thing
[10:54] <Razor-X> HappyFool: I myself am a vi user, heh
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: if you're all using vim, stick with it
[10:54] <Razor-X> HappyFool: why so?
[10:54] <Razor-X> no, we're not
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i mean, one editor
[10:54] <Razor-X> some of use use nano, and stuff
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: well, too much choice is also not good
[10:54] <eruin> I refuse to use anything other than nano in cli
[10:54] <Razor-X> well, the thing is, generally when you force a newcomer to use one thing, they get used to it, and once used to something, it's harder to change
[10:55] <Seveas> Razor-X, for newbies: stick to nano
[10:55] <Razor-X> eruin: I prefer vi, much more
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> I'd install linux if I'd left any disk space available lol
[10:55] <Seveas> Razor-X, and fill an appendix with vim stuff
[10:55] <Razor-X> Seaves: well, nalioth suggests docs on everything
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> *attempts the win98 theory*
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> damn.
[10:55] <robert> ello?
[10:55] <HappyFool> Razor-X: that is a strength of ubuntu, imo -- default install has limited choice
[10:55] <eruin> Razor-X, it's more powerful, I'll give you that, but I generally just do simple things when editing files in cli
[10:55] <IIIEars> Q_Continuum - you can use grub. afraid it's a challenge if you are new. :/
[10:55] <hondje> toran: Nope, can't make one ofr you today, sorry
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> hmmm....can knoppix give me a list of bootable partitions and boot from that?
[10:56] <Seveas> IIIEars, it's difficult (if not impossible) to use grub with only a win install...
[10:56] <Razor-X> HappyFool: ahh, but, I love choice, actually
[10:56] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, iirc yes...
[10:56] <eruin> Razor-X, you've got a very valid point there though... the reason I use nano is because I got told to use pico in my early linux days... and switching from that to vi is... less-than-easy :-)
[10:56] <HappyFool> Razor-X: yes, but not initially.
[10:56] <Razor-X> eruin: same reason I won't use emacs or irssi
[10:56] <Razor-X> although, I tried it myself
[10:56] <djm62> Razor-X: gedit ;)
[10:56] <eruin> djm62, bluefish, at the very least
[10:57] <HappyFool> Razor-X: *first* get people writing "hello world" in C or python or whatever, then they can worry about choosing editors
[10:57] <IIIEars> Seveas - qtparted resize ntfs for boot partition install grub edit a bit and cross fingers
[10:57] <soccerfiend> I am a pico/nano and joe convert who now uses vim only
[10:57] <ricardo> hello
[10:57] <sasquatc3> im trying to mount my usb drive, through dmesg i found that its on /dev/sda, and ubuntu recognizes it fine, but when i do a 'mount -t usbfs /dev/sda /media/usb' it doesnt complain, but i go into the folder and it just contains 3 subfolders of numbers and a file called devices
[10:57] <Seveas> IIIEars, lol :)
[10:57] <soccerfiend> grub works fine for a win only install
[10:57] <Seveas> that's a good one
[10:57] <sasquatc3> so it obviously isnt properly mounting, just wondering if anyone else has had this issue, or knows how to fix it
[10:57] <ricardo> can someone tell me how to run freeciv single player?
[10:57] <Razor-X> HappFool: hmmm?
[10:57] <soccerfiend> should be -t vfat
[10:57] <sasquatc3> ive tried that too, that didnt work either
[10:57] <HappyFool> Razor-X: never mind, just ranting on about too much choice ;)
[10:57] <Razor-X> hehe
[10:57] <djm62> Razor-X: I guess you'd need specific motivation to want to be proficient at emacs/vi
[10:58] <soccerfiend> erm sda1
[10:58] <soccerfiend> you need to specify the partition
[10:58] <soccerfiend> try cfdisk /dev/sda to see whats there
[10:58] <sasquatc3> that was it, danke
[10:58] <eruin> partitions on a usb disk?
[10:58] <hondje> sasquatc3: usbfs is how you mount /proc/bus/usb, for example
[10:58] <hondje> :)
[10:58] <sasquatc3> ahh
[10:58] <ricardo> please?
[10:59] <HappyFool> ricardo: you first need to launch the server
[10:59] <soccerfiend> if you start to feel brave you can use udev to map that particular usb drive to the same device every time, or do like I do and create a sym link which you can put into your fstab
[10:59] <HappyFool> ricardo: i haven't installed it, i don't know if there's a menu entry for that
[10:59] <ricardo> how do I do that?
[10:59] <hondje> soccerfiend: hey, that's a good idea, never thought of that
[10:59] <HappyFool> ricardo: um, i'll have to try to work from memory
[10:59] <djm62> Razor-X: as in, I'm not sure about making docs to "encourage" people to use them: if you need encouragement/hand-holding, they are probably sub-optimal
[10:59] <soccerfiend> udev was actually quite easy to figure out, I'll see if I can track down the howto
[10:59] <Luakagon> How do I install xmms on this infernal contrpation?
[11:00] <Quest-Master> haha.
[11:00] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install xmms, maybe?
[11:00] <hondje> soccerfiend: I'd appreciate that :) I have a mp3 player that's really just a 20gig mini usb drive, be nice to do that with
[11:00] <HappyFool> ricardo: start a terminal: Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal
[11:00] <Phyrex> was that a trick question? :)
[11:00] <HappyFool> ricardo: then i *think* the command is freeserver, or maybe freeserve. Try typing 'frees<TAB>' and see if anything gets filled in
[11:00] <IIIEars> Luakagon - the us mirror isn't working this morning - ususally has no problems
[11:01] <Luakagon> ok...
[11:01] <hondje> why is there only one .us mirror?
[11:01] <xingmu> is there any way to capture memory of a frozen application in linux?  firefox just locked up on me after i had written a huge blog post but before i had a chance to post it.  i'd do anything to believe there is someway to recover that text!
[11:01] <Th4tBa5t4rd> cause servers cost money
[11:01] <Luakagon> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[11:02] <djm62> I'm speaking as someone who's glad that C-x-s doesn't do anything horrible in other apps because it's almost a nervous twitch...
[11:02] <Luakagon> how do I get a .not_us mirror?
[11:02] <hondje> Sure, but lots of organizations donate tons of stuff
[11:02] <HappyFool> ricardo: that get you anywhere ?
[11:02] <Th4tBa5t4rd> add one manually
[11:02] <Luakagon> or specify a .not_us mirror
[11:02] <Seveas> Luakagon, you need to enable universe
[11:02] <HappyFool> Luakagon: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[11:02] <ricardo> nope. I think it is cvserver
[11:02] <HappyFool> Luakagon: and change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:02] <Phyrex> Luakagon: uncommet those universe sources from sources.list
[11:02] <Seveas> Luakagon, the debian non_us thing is not valid for ubuntu
[11:02] <ricardo> i mean, civserver
[11:02] <HappyFool> ricardo: ah, ok.
[11:02] <xingmu> btw, i have stopped the execution thread (it was running my cpu really bad and my poor laptop fan was working overtime)...but i didn't actually force the application close.
[11:02] <langerst> HappyFool: thanks very much - xmms is up and playing
[11:03] <Luakagon> universe sound dangerous
[11:03] <ricardo> I'm quite new
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: so type that
[11:03] <flodine> can someone tell me how to change my screen size
[11:03] <ricardo> I did. Nothing happened
[11:03] <flodine> its to big
[11:03] <soccerfiend> udev howto at:  http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[11:03] <sketcher> hi guys
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: ?
[11:03] <soccerfiend> pretty straightforward howto
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: doh
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: you do have to press enter.. (sorry, maybe that's obvious)
[11:03] <ricardo> well, it said" civserver
[11:03] <ricardo> This is the server for Freeciv version 1.14.2
[11:03] <ricardo> You can learn a lot about Freeciv at http://www.freeciv.org/
[11:03] <ricardo> server: Connection pb, no valid addressricardo@
[11:03] <flodine> please help
[11:04] <HappyFool> ricardo: hm
[11:04] <tsw> xingmu: I dont think there is an easy (or even hard) way to revover the text..
[11:04] <HappyFool> ricardo: i used to get a prompt when that happens
[11:04] <djm62> flodine: what about it is too big?
[11:04] <HappyFool> i mean, when i launched civserver
[11:04] <IIIEars> flodine - in the desktop? CTRL+ALT+NUMPAD_PLUS - ??
[11:04] <flodine> i want to put it to 1600x1200 and cant
[11:04] <djm62> flodine: can you not see the edges of your desktop, or is there a big black border on your screen?
[11:04] <Luakagon> OK, whats the name of a text editor?
[11:05] <Luakagon> cause I tried emacs
[11:05] <djm62> Luakagon: gedit
[11:05] <HappyFool> Luakagon: nano
[11:05] <Razor-X> back
[11:05] <tsw> xingmu: you could check firefox cache to see if theres something
[11:05] <hondje> Has ubuntu ever asked around for repository mirrors?
[11:05] <flodine> i can see them
[11:05] <flodine> i want to change the size
[11:05] <HappyFool> ricardo: sorry, afraid i can't help much more. try 'civserver --help' to see if you get any help there
[11:05] <xingmu> *sigh* well, one more thing then....i had submitted to the text to a spell checker on my web server (using wordpress blog with a spell check plugin)...could you imagine any possible temp files or something along that lines?
[11:05] <flodine> but ubuntu wont give me 1600x1200
[11:06] <flodine> why
[11:06] <IIIEars> Luakagon - nano, visudo,vim - you will need to read about them to learn the commands
[11:06] <Luakagon> ty
[11:06] <djm62> Luakagon: gedit - you won't have to learn anything
[11:06] <ricardo> thanks anyway happyfool
[11:06] <hondje> xingmu: it's possible, but that's never happened to me
[11:06] <HappyFool> ricardo: isn't there a menu entry for starting the server? under games, perhaps?
[11:07] <ricardo> there is one for the client
[11:07] <agent> I need to delete files over 90 days old in a directory.. What's the easiest way to do this (will be making it a cron script)
[11:07] <flodine> djm62 i need to change it to 1600x1200
[11:07] <ricardo> it starts the game but I don't have any idea on how to play single player
[11:07] <hondje> oh hey, there's a TON of them
[11:07] <djm62> flodine: ok, have you tried "ctrl-alt-numpad_plus"
[11:07] <hondje> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[11:07] <flodine> whats the plus
[11:07] <djm62> flodine: "+"
[11:08] <HappyFool> ricardo: well, if you're willing to wait i can install it
[11:08] <djm62> flodine: also try googling "YOUR_MONITOR YOUR_GFX_CARD linux"
[11:08] <flodine> i just got a dell 24 inch trying to adjust it
[11:09] <HappyFool> ricardo: you *did* install the server? I see the client and server are in separate, apparently independent packages
[11:09] <IIIEars> flodine ubuntu wiki "binarydriverinstallhowto"
[11:09] <djm62> flodine: you just changed monitor, from a previously configured system?
[11:10] <Razor-X> hmmm, so, no-one uses btdownloadcurses?
[11:10] <Luakagon> ok how do I get it to play mp3s as it seems to be unable to.  what are the mp3 dependencies?
[11:10] <flodine> yes i went from a 19 flat to a 24 ich flat
[11:10] <IIIEars> flodine ubuntu wiki "binarydriverinstallhowto" or Display http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:10] <hondje> Razor-X: that's the one I used the whole one time
[11:10] <hondje> downloaded the .torrent, and ran the python app on it
[11:10] <svmaris> Razor-X, I use btlaunchmanycurses
[11:10] <Razor-X> hondje: hmmm, what speed were you getting?
[11:11] <HappyFool> Luakagon: i think if you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats you should find out what you need to do
[11:11] <hondje> I dont' remember
[11:11] <djm62> IIIEars: would dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg be the appropriate incantation in this situation?
[11:11] <Razor-X> svmaris: I can't get more than 2 kb/s upload on this thing
[11:11] <Razor-X> *download
[11:11] <IIIEars> flodin what brand video card?
[11:11] <Razor-X> regardless of whether I cap or not
[11:11] <HappyFool> djm62: isn't the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:11] <svmaris> Razor-X, I max out my 8mbit on a regular basis, so I don't know what the problem could be
[11:12] <djm62> HappyFool: my bad, cheers
[11:12] <misfit-toy> damn name resolution, can't get this box to see anything by name
[11:12] <IIIEars> *flodine - :/
[11:12] <hondje> Razor-X: could iptables be pulling a joke on you?
[11:12] <mcquillg_> I'm having problems with new system accounts and gnome permissions. Gnome freaks out when a new user logs in. Basically the screen fills up with popcorn (error messages)
[11:12] <Razor-X> hondje: doubt it
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Luakagon: try thr esound / esd output plugin
[11:12] <djm62> flodine: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:12] <Razor-X> hondje: Azureus can give me about 100 kb/s
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Luakagon: in prefs
[11:12] <mcquillg_> Any ideas?
[11:12] <Luakagon> oka
[11:12] <djm62> flodine: that should update your settings
[11:12] <mcquillg_> I've tried through the gui and through the CLI.
[11:13] <hondje> mcquillg_: another user while you're already logged in, like xdmcp, or over ssh or ?
[11:13] <IIIEars> djm - yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:14] <mcquillg_> hondje, they work find with ssh. However when they try to log into the physical box's gdm, it freaks out.
[11:14] <hondje> mcquillg_: oh, that's beyond me then, man
[11:14] <mcquillg_> Thanks.
[11:14] <hondje> mcquillg_: only thing close to that I've had is with xdmcp
[11:14] <mcquillg_> xdmcp? What's that?
[11:15] <Razor-X> connecting to X remotely
[11:15] <djm62> X Display Manager C???? Profit!
[11:15] <hondje> yeah, it's pretty nice, but totally not secure
[11:15] <mcquillg_> I seem to be getting permission errors etc. So I created the home directors (since the gui didn't seem to) and basically it seems like gconf is getting permission errors.
[11:15] <HappyFool> mcquillg_: have you looked in the files in /var/log/gdm/ for help ?
[11:15] <Razor-X> hondje: that's why you tunnel it through SSH
[11:15] <mcquillg_> but I _DID_ remember to set the home dirs ownership and group affiliation.
[11:16] <mcquillg_> HappyFool, no, that's a good idea.
[11:16] <mcquillg_> brb.
[11:16] <hondje> Razor-X: yeah, but that's not in the nice gui options, for some crazy reason
[11:16] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: thats really weird behaviour
[11:16] <mcquillg_> I know :(
[11:16] <TokenBad> hmm..
[11:16] <TokenBad> I have no sound under ubuntu
[11:16] <HappyFool> mcquillg_: so System -> Admin -> Users and Groups doesn't create home directories for your new users ?
[11:16] <TokenBad> it plays when it loads
[11:16] <Razor-X> hondje: so?
[11:17] <TokenBad> but then try to play a game in cedega and no sound
[11:17] <Razor-X> hondje: it's totally optional
[11:17] <hondje> Razor-X: So it's not recommended for newbies that cant' set up an ssh tunnel
[11:17] <CountDown> Anyone have a favorite 3D rendering engine for use on Ubuntu?
[11:17] <hondje> at least not by me
[11:17] <mcquillg_> HappyFool, nothing useful in the /var/log/gdm
[11:17] <hondje> then again, I use keys w/ ssh and all that paranoid crap, too
[11:18] <hondje> mcquillg_: what about xorg's log, or message?
[11:18] <djm62> CountDown: a ray tracer? or something like blender ?
[11:18] <apollo2011> The ubuntu mirror must be down because I can't install some packages and it won't update the package info
[11:19] <djm62> apollo2011: yeah, see /topic
[11:19] <TokenBad> anyone know about that?
[11:19] <hondje> djm62: I hope not, povray is hot in my book ;-)
[11:19] <mcquillg_> hondje, I did find something in messages.
[11:19] <djm62> hondje: that was the name that was escaping my calcified neurons! ;)
[11:19] <mcquillg_> Failed to get lock for daemon, exiting: Directory /tmp/gconfd-nashife has a problem, gconfd can't use it
[11:19] <hondje> apollo2011: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[11:20] <hondje> djm62: I just saw some pictures it made the other day, so it's fresh in my head :D
[11:20] <hondje> mcquillg_: that looks to be a good start
[11:20] <djm62> CountDown: try them all, it's free!
[11:20] <HappyFool> blender is great. povray requires too much Real Thought
[11:20] <hondje> Dunno waht, though, I'm still pretty new to gnome
[11:20] <hajiki> is it possible to get mp3 support in rhythmbox
[11:20] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:20] <djm62> HappyFool: ISTR blender saving to povray
[11:21] <hondje> you guys are nuts
[11:21] <djm62> hajiki: yes it is
[11:21] <hondje> the only graphics I make are with gnuplot and matlab
[11:21] <mcquillg_> It has something to do with gconf thinking that the user logging on is someone else.
[11:21] <nalioth_wrkn> hondje: but you are the king of us all
[11:21] <mcquillg_> Owner of /tmp/orbit-nashife is not the current user
[11:21] <hondje> nalioth_wrkn: king of nothing, sir
[11:21] <hajiki> djm62, what do i need to apt-get ?
[11:21] <mcquillg_> Where nashife is the user.
[11:21] <mcquillg_> what do you think?
[11:21] <djm62> hajiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:21] <CountDown> djm62: Right now I'm trying to get Ogre3D going, but I'm having a bit of trouble.  I'm also considering Panda3D.
[11:21] <hondje> mcquillg_: ah.  I think it looks really good.
[11:22] <hondje> HappyFool: No, but I'm off to look now :D
[11:22] <hondje> matlab keeps making me mad
[11:22] <HappyFool> heh
[11:22] <hajiki> yuck unnoffical repositorys
[11:22] <HappyFool> matlab is teh sux0r
[11:22] <mcquillg_> nalioth_wrkn, Yes.
[11:22] <TokenBad> nalioth_wrkn, I looked at that...and not sure what all it means..but will try
[11:22] <hondje> HappyFool: Well, great for doing math
[11:22] <djm62> hajiki: you don't need them all, I think mp3 is just universe/multiverse
[11:22] <Seveas> HappyFool, matlab is nice!
[11:22] <apollo2011> someone should put something about it being down on the ubuntu homepage
[11:22] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: there are several fixed listed
[11:23] <hondje> but the gui is pure crap, openGL doesn't work right most the time, etc
[11:23] <hajiki> ok good ;]
[11:23] <HappyFool> matlab (the language) is a major kludge
[11:23] <Seveas> HappyFool, ack...
[11:23] <hondje> HappyFool: I like it, makes vectorizing operations simple. What don't you like?
[11:23] <HappyFool> hondje: i find the mixture of cell and structure arrays extremely messy
[11:24] <HappyFool> hondje: and they don't seem to have heard of namespaces (though i think latest simulink might have something like that)
[11:24] <cyphase> 120,000 digits sp far!
[11:24] <hondje> I like it, less restrictive
[11:24] <cyphase> so*
[11:24] <TokenBad> yeah but not sure which is for me
[11:24] <TokenBad> since I having problems only when loading games in cedega
[11:24] <hondje> namespaces, hrm...never thunked of that
[11:24] <HappyFool> hondje: i will grant that they have a wide variety of toolboxes, coded by experts
[11:25] <hondje> Plus the maple kernel makes me happy
[11:25] <hondje> HappyFool: matplotlib is nice, I'll mess with that soon :D
[11:26] <HappyFool> ;)
[11:26] <mcquillg_> nalioth_wrkn, Now that I think about it. I don't htink that i had root access. How do I get the gui window with sudo access?
[11:26] <hondje> for a guy who earns his living making pretty graphs, that's the good stuff :)
[11:26] <novaflare> any one here know of a decent online checkers program for linux?
[11:26] <mcquillg_> How to I initiate the user/group dialogue with the run prompt?
[11:26] <djm62> schkrew dis...goodnight from the UK all
[11:26] <Seveas> mcquillg_, sudo users-admin
[11:26] <IIIEars> mcquillo adduser isn't it?
[11:26] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: 'gksudo <command>'
[11:27] <TokenBad> nalioth_wrkn, but those fixes not have anything to do with cedega..
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: applications > run command
[11:27] <mcquillg_> Thanks.
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: does cededga use the gnome sound system?
[11:27] <TokenBad> that I don't know
[11:27] <Shuddertrix> Cedega uses either alsa/oss depending on which driver.
[11:27] <hondje> last I checked it used alsa/oss
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: the system>admin>user/groups should ask for authentication, tho
[11:28] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: yes it does. everything that runs under gnome uses whatever gnome uses
[11:28] <HappyFool> novaflare: apt-cache search checkers reveals something called 'gtkboard' and 'ggz-gtk-games' -- not sure if that's what you want
[11:28] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: so work with the fixes
[11:29] <mcquillg_> Thanks again everyone.
[11:29] <hondje> I wish hula would allow write for calendars
[11:30] <Luakagon> I'm having trouble with sound, I've enabled the eSound plugin and I get an error message, please check that sound card is configured properly, this is the right plugin, and no other programs are using sound
[11:30] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[11:30] <SigNagE> d-link-520+  dwl
[11:30] <SigNagE> acx100
[11:31] <hondje> is sourceforge borked again?
[11:31] <SigNagE> dont think so
[11:31] <hondje> hrm, maybe it's my damn isp again
[11:31] <bpuccio> hondje: do you run a hula server?  right now I'm on postfix/courier and while it is nice, hula looks neat and I'd like to try it out
[11:31] <LinuxJones> SigNagE, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:31] <hondje> bpuccio: yes, I set it up the other day
[11:32] <hondje> from cvs
[11:32] <newbie01> has anybody experience in using testdisk ?
[11:33] <Seveas> SigNagE, which drivers dif you find/what chipset is it?
[11:33] <bpuccio> hondje: nice, did it go smoothly?  did you follow the instuctions here: http://hula-project.org/Installation_Ubuntu
[11:34] <hondje> bpuccio: Yes, it build without errors, maybe one or two warnings, only thing missing was the default passwd, hdd to dig around for that
[11:34] <TokenBad> ok
[11:34] <apollo2011> I added these lines to sources.list but it doesn't work in Kynaptic:
[11:34] <apollo2011>   deb http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:34] <apollo2011>   deb-src http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:35] <TokenBad> I just tried to load warcraft 3 in cedega after the fixes..and what it says in unable to init base sound
[11:35] <Seveas> apollo2011, where sis you get these mirror adresses?
[11:35] <apollo2011> Seveas: Ubuntu Wiki
[11:35] <Seveas> ah
[11:35] <nalioth_wrkn> apollo2011: don't use kynaptic, use synaptic
[11:35] <bpuccio> hondje: awesome, I think I'll migrate tonight then, if it Just Works(tm) I'll give it a shot, I really don't want to replace a working just fine soltuion with something that will have me pulling my hair out
[11:35] <Seveas> apollo2011, why not simply use archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:35] <apollo2011> I got Kubuntu
[11:35] <hondje> bpuccio: the Novell HulaAdmin thing was ugly and clunky, very ahrd to grok for a guy like me, but the rest was a breeze
[11:36] <apollo2011> Seveas: cuz it is down (read topic)
[11:36] <hondje> bpuccio: you can set it to use your mailserver, etc
[11:36] <apollo2011> nalioth_wrkn: I got Kubuntu
[11:36] <Seveas> apollo2011, read it better
[11:36] <Seveas> us.archive is down
[11:36] <nalioth_wrkn> apollo2011: synaptic is DM agnostic
[11:36] <Seveas> archive is not
[11:36] <Seveas> and i placed that in the topic..
[11:36] <bpuccio> hondje: eh, I'd like to try theirs, make it an all in one sort of thing... I ran qmail for 2 years and now ran postfix for another year or so, figure I'm due for another MTA
[11:36] <concept10> what is the latest ubuntu kernel?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> apollo2011: umm - that's the us. mirror that's down
[11:36] <hondje> bpuccio: basically just add the groupware voodoo on top of your existing setup
[11:36] <nalioth_wrkn> back to work
[11:37] <nalioth_wrkn> back to work
[11:37] <apollo2011> Seveas: well I don't have archive.ubuntu.com in my sources.list
[11:37] <chileverde> Q: whats the diff between aptitude and apt-get?
[11:37] <bpuccio> hondje: ok, sounds cool, thanks for the information
[11:37] <hondje> bpuccio: no problem, good luck
[11:37] <Seveas> apollo2011, then put it in instead of the ones you typed...
[11:37] <thoreauputic> chileverde: aptitude is smarter ;)
[11:37] <chileverde> thoreauputic: ty
[11:38] <KarlosII> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ <--- down tooo?
[11:38] <concept10> could anyone with a updated system tell me what the latest  kernel ubuntu is using?
[11:38] <apollo2011> Seveas: i did and it seems to work
[11:38] <thoreauputic> concept10: 2.6.10-5
[11:38] <IIIEars> 2.6.10-5
[11:38] <Seveas> KarlosII, yes, it is the same machine :)
[11:39] <IIIEars> Hula is very nice :)
[11:39] <concept10> when is breezy sched to be released
[11:39] <thoreauputic> concept10: October
[11:40] <concept10> will you be able to update from hoary to breezy using apt or synaptic?
[11:40] <Seveas> concept10, yes
[11:40] <thoreauputic> concept10: yes
[11:40] <concept10> Seveas: are you a developer?
[11:41] <Seveas> concept10, no
[11:41] <Amaranth> community member
[11:41] <concept10> I want to switch from FC to ubuntu and help with some of the breezy goals, porting some apps from FC
[11:41] <Seveas> yeah :)
[11:41] <Amaranth> i think i'm the only op who isn't a community member
[11:41] <Seveas> Amaranth, don't forget to put your name on the CC agenda!
[11:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: I tried for the last meeting.
[11:42] <concept10> Amaranth: what do use?
[11:42] <KarlosII> Seveas, heh
[11:42] <IIIEars> CC agenda?
[11:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, i know, network problems right?
[11:42] <concept10> what do you use
[11:42] <apollo2011> OK now I got it working cuz now it doesn't complain that all the packages weren't downloaded
[11:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: Right when we were going to bring it up my internet died for 7 hours solid. :)
[11:42] <Amaranth> concept10: ubuntu
[11:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, put your name on the CCAgenda wikipage
[11:42] <KarlosII> Seveas, is there one that is working?
[11:42] <TokenBad> ok using the built in torrent program in ubuntu...how can I have it save to another mounted drive without it telling me permission denied
[11:42] <Seveas> KarlosII, archive.ubuntu.com works fine
[11:43] <KarlosII> k
[11:43] <KarlosII> http?
[11:43] <Seveas> yes
[11:43] <KarlosII> k
[11:43] <concept10> question: how does ubuntu go about maintaining packages, do you guys start from debians sources?  security fixes also?
[11:45] <klaym> hello! does GTA:SA play on Linux?
[11:45] <Seveas> concept10, read the ubuntu website please
[11:45] <Seveas> it has all the info you need
[11:45] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[11:45] <TokenBad> klaym, seems so in cedega..but not sure
[11:45] <TokenBad> since I not have that game
[11:47] <TokenBad> anyone refresh my memory on installing java for firefox?
[11:47] <Seveas> TokenBad: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[11:47] <ompaul> how do I allow the one user on this box to access 'ifup ppp0'
[11:48] <ompaul> I do not want the user here to have to use sudo to access it
[11:48] <Amaranth> Seveas: something is wrong with the wiki http://tinyurl.com/cdoyz
[11:48] <Seveas> ompaul, add a line for it in the sudoers file
[11:48] <hondje> is blackdown java still around?
[11:49] <Seveas> somethink like the_username=ifup NOPASSWD (that syntax is not correct, but check man sudoers)
[11:49] <hondje> I remember using that before I realized that I could read sun's readme
[11:49] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks I will
[11:49] <TokenBad> I did an easier way before using apt-get from a site
[11:49] <TokenBad> but forgot how
[11:49] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[11:49] <Amaranth> Seveas: :D
[11:50] <Gus> hello
[11:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, http://tinyurl.com/8apoy
[11:50] <Seveas> :p
[11:54] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-dev
[11:54] <hondje> is it really red now?
[11:56] <chaps0063> Is there anyway to get speed stepping to work?
[11:56] <Seveas> chaps0063, by using a processor that supports it?
[11:56] <chaps0063> Seveas, yes.
[11:56] <chileverde> you need the cpu frq daemon I think
[11:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey Seveas could you send me a copy of your sources.list with all the repos you got ?
[11:57] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, and also by loading the appropriate modules provided the CPU supports it
[11:57] <chileverde> (besides having a cpu that supports it)
[11:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> mine seems to be messed up
[11:57] <Seveas> Pop_pa_FrEaK, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[11:57] <TokenBad> Seveas, I remembered how I did it now
[11:57] <chaps0063> GNULinuxer, how do i find that out?
[11:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thanx Seveas
[11:57] <TokenBad> using apt-get and having it install
[11:57] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, which CPU do you have?
[11:57] <chaps0063> Intel P4 Centrino 1.6
[11:58] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, it's supported
[11:58] <xingmu> well, i guess i give up now on recovering that post.  although i found the cache files, it seems near impossible that they actually hold the form text.  i guess i'll just have to learn how to use a text editor when writing long posts from now on.
[11:58] <Seveas> chaps0063, me has the same processor
[11:58] <Seveas> worked out-of-the-box
[11:58] <chaps0063> ok, maybe it is working.
[11:58] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, try loading acpi_cpufreq module ...
[11:58] <xingmu> but on another note, has anyone else been having bad behavior from firefox lately?  i have been having regularly lock-ups with it, but i can't figure out how to track down the problem at all.
[11:59] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, it must work out of the box
[11:59] <Seveas> chaps0063, maybe you need to add the frequency scaling applet to your gnome-panel
[11:59] <chaps0063> GNULinuxer, yeah...I think what I was confused about then was the battery life that showed up.
[11:59] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, there are different types of governors ... default is ondemand
[11:59] <Seveas> chaps0063, you can see whether it works by 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[11:59] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, you can see it in the cpufreq panel applet
[12:00] <if> how can i download kernel source?


[00:43] <tux|dude> Hi
[08:12] <soee_> woho Vivaldi 1.0 released :)
[08:21] <tux|dude> Man does anyone have the old KDE 3 sounds at all? I've been searching for these for god knows how long and I can't find em
[08:49] <vip> tux|dude: search for package and extract that
[08:52] <vip> tux|dude: ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/2.0/PLD/i686/PLD/RPMS/kdeartwork-sounds-3.5.6-1.i686.rpm here maybe?
[08:53] <vip> no, it is just startup/logout sound
[08:53] <vip> but you can search other kde* in ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/2.0/PLD/i686/PLD/RPMS/
[10:02] <clivejo> so quiet in here
[10:04] <soee> :]
[10:05] <clivejo> soee: do you use digikam?
[10:05] <soee> ee no :)
[10:05] <soee> ovidiu-florin: does
[10:05]  * clivejo rolls eyes
[10:08] <clivejo> what time is the meeting tonight?
[10:09] <yofel> huh, what meeting?
[10:10] <clivejo> core and podcast ?
[10:10] <clivejo> got an invite yesterday
[10:11] <yofel> well, I didn't and have other things todo
[10:12] <clivejo> https://plus.google.com/events/cjul3hsvodnab8kr5hltlbi9fjg
[10:50] <snele> are you going to upload updates from staging ppas to main archive soon?
[10:50] <snele> i can confirm that packages in staging ppas are rock stable :)
[10:51] <clivejo> snele: as far as I know they are uploaded, but are stuck
[10:53] <snele> clivejo: i think they are not in proposed yet
[10:53] <snele> don't know what "stuck" means ;)
[10:58] <yofel> they are not, stuff from the previous upload is still stuck (2 things I believe)
[11:11] <yofel> can someone please try to downgrade baloo-kf5 to the version currently in xenial?
[11:12] <yofel> If that works we'll remove the update from -proposed
[11:17] <clivejo> !info baloo-kf5 xenial
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:20] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:21] <clivejo> yofel: Ive downgraded to that version, how would I verify its working?
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hey soee clivejo
[11:36] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:36] <clivejo> yofel: Ive rebooted and I can still search for files in dolphin
[11:36] <yofel> ok thanks
[11:37] <clivejo> is there any other test would help?
[11:39] <clivejo> yofel: https://paste.kde.org/pr5mzmo7q
[11:39] <yofel> I don't know, I don't use baloo myself....
[11:41] <clivejo> although "balooctl status" says Baloo Index could not be opened
[11:47] <clivejo> ok, disabled and enabled it
[11:47] <clivejo> its now running with a 661.11MiB index
[11:55] <yofel> ok, the test failure is not new, so we can do with the new one after all
[16:22] <genii-testing> Probably already known, but: kblocks from staging-kdeapplications ( both wily and xenial) starts and runs but freezes the panel and other apps until exit, then "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/games/kblocks' and panel and other apps unfreeze
 Can someone please paste here the current irc status? So I can pin it on Telegram.
[17:38] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, what dop mean, current irc status?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> do you
[17:38] <marco-parillo> hask plus: kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Final Beta Freeze in effect | Plasma 5.5.5: X/WIP, Plasma 5.5.4: X/archive, Apps 15.12.3: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/archive | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
 The status of this irc channel
[17:39] <marco-parillo> hash plus: kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Final Beta Freeze in effect | Plasma 5.5.5: X/WIP, Plasma 5.5.4: X/archive, Apps 15.12.3: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/archive | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
 Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Final Beta Freeze in effect | Plasma 5.5.5: X/WIP, Plasma 5.5.4: X/archive, Apps 15.12.3: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/archive | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
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[17:41] <BluesKaj> oh kubuntu status
[18:10] <Rick_Timmis> Hello
[18:10] <Rick_Timmis> sorry I am late
[18:11] <sgclark> Rick_Timmis: I tried posting on the event, we should reschedule core meeting, yofel can't make it and I am technically not here.
[18:12] <Rick_Timmis> Ah cool, yes just read that now.
[18:12] <Rick_Timmis> It is vacation week here in UK too, so I just got back from a day out with my girls
[18:13] <Rick_Timmis> I'll schedule another core team, at beginning of next month, ahead of Podcast as before
[18:14] <sgclark> thanks
 Kubuntu Podcast #11 is now live
[19:17] <telegram> http://youtu.be/vuz5-eZMEK8
[19:22] <jim_arvan> hello! ;)
[19:22] <clivejo> hi jim_arvan
[20:05] <jim_arvan> guys you are just amazing. :)
[20:13] <ahoneybun> thanks jim_arvan :)


[00:03] <dbungert> jbicha: likely failed testing that would promote it to current.  there is one here - https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/20231201/ cc paride


[00:01] <agaida> try to paste inxi -Fxxx -c0
[00:06] <ken_> https://pastebin.com/ur3WrFi9
[00:15] <agaida> shouldn't be slow - maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI helps
[00:17] <agaida> other than that make sure that cpu boost is available (if supported in bios), give the maximum amount of RAM to bios too, disable cool & quit - thats what i would do/try first
[00:20] <ken_> ok thanks i will take a look. In general though, would it be a good idea everything else being equal, to get an intel graphics laptop for Linux?  Better supported?
[00:21] <agaida> you will not learn as much as with a AMD Laptop :P
[00:23] <agaida> i bought the cheapest possible Lenovo Flex II three years ago and i was (and still be) surprised how fast this little thing is
[00:24] <ken_> yeah, mine is not fast. Quite often, I would type something and it's a half a second or more before it shows up on screen.
[00:24] <ken_> it's even slower in Firefox....
[00:24] <agaida> tune your hard drive or buy an SSD
[00:26] <agaida> no joke - i put a current drive into my HP Studio from 2009 - and it feels like a brand new Laptop - so the only hint i can give is - put away rotational devices
[00:26] <ken_> this netbook i am using would barely sell for $60, so putting a $150 SSD it in would be a waste.
[00:27] <agaida> :P
[00:27] <ken_> I would just spend $200 on a used laptop instead.  :)
[00:27] <agaida> same problem - most used laptops for $200 have no ssd
[00:28] <agaida> and SSDs speed up even outdated things like that one: http://pb.5id.eu/24ik
[00:29] <ken_> yes i have a Windows laptop that has SSD and it's much faster than my other Windowss laptop with a HDD
[00:30] <ken_> but with this Linux laptop I am using now....I think it's more than just an hard drive problem
[00:30] <ken_> i will look into the graphics card thing u sent
[00:31] <agaida> if no important data are on this thing - i would speed up the hard drive first
[00:31] <agaida> should give a boost of approx. 30-40% in application loading
[00:32] <agaida> second i would use every help i could get from the repository - aka pre-load, uber-readahead and so on
[00:33] <agaida> next thing - even with little ram i would use tmpfs as far as possible
[00:34] <agaida> and then try to tune the graphics, trying compton with glx backend and such things - and squeeze everything performancewise out of the graphics card - a HD6xxxM should be fast
[00:36] <agaida> but to be true - buying a decent used machine and a cheap SSD is the better idea
[00:41] <agaida> and regarding your sound problem - try to set the azalia card as default, should be sufficient to solve your sound problem
[19:37] <RasmusP> Hey all. I was wondering if someone here could and wanted to help me with installing Lubuntu on a Clover Trail device?
[19:37] <RasmusP> It's a ThinkPad Tablet 2


[19:25] <mup> Bug #1983624 changed: Fresh MAAS 3.2 install failed to find controller <3.2> <controller> <maas> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Released by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983624>
[19:34] <mup> Bug #1983624 opened: Fresh MAAS 3.2 install failed to find controller <3.2> <controller> <maas> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Committed by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983624>
[19:37] <mup> Bug #1983624 changed: Fresh MAAS 3.2 install failed to find controller <3.2> <controller> <maas> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Committed by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983624>
[19:52] <mup> Bug #1983624 opened: Fresh MAAS 3.2 install failed to find controller <3.2> <controller> <maas> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Committed by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983624>
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1983624 changed: Fresh MAAS 3.2 install failed to find controller <3.2> <controller> <maas> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Committed by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983624>
[20:01] <mup> Bug #1983624 opened: Fresh MAAS 3.2 install failed to find controller <3.2> <controller> <maas> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Committed by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1983624>


[00:36] <yalopov> hi guys
[00:36] <yalopov> i need help
[00:37] <yalopov> why launchpad ppa is so fucking slow?
[00:37] <yalopov> i don't know what do to
[00:39] <yalopov> pinging to http://ppa.launchpad.net shows normal latency
[00:41] <yalopov> like 190 ms
[00:41] <yalopov> but using httping shows like 450-500ms
[03:58] <sergio-br2> I have something like that: https://hastebin.com/fatirihani.scala
[03:59] <sergio-br2> I'm pretty sure Break/Replace is right in the package B
[03:59] <sergio-br2> even with that, it's still breaking the system.
[03:59] <sergio-br2> apt is installing B without purging first old A
[04:29] <StevenK> Breaks/Conflicts ?
[04:29] <StevenK> Replaces is for file level moves between packages
[04:44] <sergio-br2> well, it's what I got from https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
[04:44] <sergio-br2> My case is #8
[04:51] <sergio-br2> Replaces: dolphin-emu-master (<< 5.0+git-r201701262047)
[04:52] <sergio-br2> do I need the full number ? there's a git hash and packaging:revno after, like  -abc123f-20~
[11:28] <daker> cjwatson: hi, can you deactivate this person https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/1659748
[11:32] <cjwatson> daker: done
[11:32] <daker> cjwatson: thanks!
[20:18] <sigmavirus> I get timeout errors trying to change the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1517839 or trying to mark it as no longer affecting one of the projects.
[20:18] <sigmavirus> The last error id I have is OOPS-59051dd5dd8f352e52cc1ebdca0851df


[06:24] <joelesko> micahg:  doing the upstream beta releases sound like a great idea. I will need help understanding where the beta area is. Is like a ppa?
[06:25] <micahg> joelesko: no, take a look at where the lp:thunderbird/beta branch is pulling from, I suggest branching from lp:seamonkey and creating a beta branch
[06:26] <micahg> I've got a few more commits locally, but they're not ready ATM, it FTBFSs
[06:27] <joelesko> micahg: ok I will give it a go.
[06:27] <joelesko> Is there a beta branch for seamonkey?
[06:28] <joelesko> also, I saw the build failure for armtel. I didn't know it was building for all those different archs
[06:31] <joelesko> I know, dumb question, but do the developers use the newest distro release for their daily systems or do you use a virtialized system?
[06:39] <micahg> joelesko: no, you can propose a merge into lp:seamonkey and just add a comment to create a beta branch
[06:39] <micahg> joelesko: the primary archive builds for i386/amd64/armel/powerpc ATm
[06:39] <micahg> ATM
[06:39] <micahg> for lucid, we also had sparc and ia64
[06:40] <micahg> we try to keep everything working on all archs
[06:42] <joelesko> So the beta branch starts off just like the current one? Then I can make the changes for 2.5.0b2?
[06:44] <micahg> right, also, all changelog entries should be UNRELEASED until right before it's uploaded
[06:45] <micahg> so, the first new commit would be something like * New upstream release from the beta channel (SEAMONKEY_2_5_0_BETA2)
[06:46] <micahg> archive for precise should open early next week, we can upload the beta then
[06:46] <micahg> or whenever you're ready
[06:46] <micahg> next release is Nov 8
[06:48] <micahg> then for each change you need to make it build (drop patches, add patches), add a relavent changelog entry in the same UNRELEASED changelog and do bzr commit, it'll use the changelog entry as the commit comment
[06:48] <micahg> if dropping multiple patches due to being accepted upstream, you can do that all in one commmit
[06:49]  * micahg is getting nostalgic...
[06:51] <joelesko> I think I'm getting it. After some sleep I'm sure it will make more sense
[06:51] <joelesko> micahg: you must be running on fumes as well.
[06:52] <micahg> joelesko: eh, got a late start today, but am reaching the end of my useful consciousness
[06:54] <joelesko> So the next step is to download the package that was built and test it to make sure it working properly. Right?
[06:54] <micahg> joelesko: I'm pushing up a seamonkey.oneiric branch, that can be used to prepare the 2.5.0 security update, also, I'd like to clean up the lp:seamonkey a little more before we SRU for lucid/maverick/natty 2.5 (probably), that way, all the massive build changes can go in in one shot and then updating for each release should be relatively eady
[06:54] <micahg> *easy
[06:55] <micahg> joelesko: well, if you're running oneiric, by all means, with the security updates, I upload them to a staging PPA, then they can be tested before they're released
[06:55] <joelesko> that sounds great. Thanks.
[06:56] <micahg> joelesko: if you're available to help prepare/test seamonkey 2.5, we can release it to oneiric on release day
[06:56] <micahg> same goes for the other releases once we catch them up
[06:57] <micahg> I can point you to our regression test suite later (or give you the list of basic functionality to test)
[06:57] <joelesko> micahg: sure. that sounds perfect.
[06:58] <micahg> lp:~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey.oneiric pushed
[07:04] <micahg> joelesko: thanks, we really do appreciate the help, as I'm sure our users do as well
[08:16]  * micahg hugs memshrink effort for Firefox
[08:53]  * micahg revokes the memshrink comment, 8 beta 2 uses more memory
[18:15] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[18:37] <micahg> hi FernandoMiguel, thanks for the tip earlier in the week, I haven't had time to investigate yet
[18:37] <FernandoMiguel> which one ?
[18:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you set up the chromium PPAs to autobuild again?  I'll take care of the build failures as best I can
[18:37] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: the one about the NSS path
[18:37] <FernandoMiguel> np
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> so you can keep an eye when the upda is out
[18:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, i'll do that tomorrow (or later tonight)
[18:38] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: please let me know if you see anything else, I'm going to try to get the PPAs going again
[18:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm off starting in a few hours until Sat night, so no rush
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> how many bugs can you handle?
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> I have 8 open
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> gonna file one more in a few minutes
[18:38] <FernandoMiguel> search is borked
[18:39] <FernandoMiguel> it uses the latest url instead of go to search
[18:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: also, if there's a firedrill (unlikely), if you could help jdstrand over the next two days, that would be great
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> sure, no problem
[18:40] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: if it affects the distro, please file in launchpad and link upstream if you can (I'm subscribed to chromium), otherwise, you can send me an e-mail with the links
[18:40] <FernandoMiguel> okay
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> I started seeing video artifacts since yesterday
[18:41] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: which version?
[18:41] <FernandoMiguel> 15.0.865.0 (Developer Build 98568) Ubuntu 11.10
[18:42] <micahg> ugh, ok
[18:42] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: what type of videos?
[18:42] <FernandoMiguel> nvidia with nouveua
[18:43] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: ah, I'm running the binary driver, I think there might have been an update recently to the nvidia drivers, maybe something regressed?
[18:43] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: if it was, started yesterdat
[18:46] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: the binary drivers were uploaded monday
[18:46] <FernandoMiguel> makes sense :)