[10:43] <leonardr> abentley, can you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpad/launchpadlib-pagetests-take-2/+merge/22444 ?
[10:53] <wgrant> leonardr: The catastrophic test failures did actually occur on EC2, buildbot and locally. But they were sufficiently catastrophic that they killed the test suite in such a way that the failure wasn't detected by the outer test process.
[10:54] <mwhudson> leonardr: did you see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/aiee-everything-is-broken/+merge/22185 ?
[10:55] <mwhudson> mind you i think your branch is mostly better
[11:00] <leonardr> mwhudson: i hadn't seen that. it sucks that we duplicated work
[11:02] <mwhudson> leonardr: well, if i'd actually run the tests after my last commit on friday...
[11:02] <leonardr> mwhudson: shall i go ahead with my branch? is there anything you'd like me to change?
[11:02] <mwhudson> leonardr: the work i did since friday took about 5 minutes, so i don't mind really
[11:02] <leonardr> ok
[11:02] <mwhudson> leonardr: i didn't see anything to change, let me have another look
[11:03] <leonardr> all right
[11:03] <leonardr> you can do the review if you want, i haven't heard from abentley
[11:06] <wgrant> Looks like he tried to unassign himself from the topic many hours ago, but instead spoke the new topic into the channel.
[11:07] <leonardr> ahh
[11:10] <mwhudson> leonardr: done
[11:11] <leonardr> mwhudson: fyi, the xx-wadl thing
[11:11] <leonardr> previously there was a pre-cached 'testrunner wadl file' which was used in xx-wadl.txt
[11:11] <leonardr> if you tried to use launchpadlib from a pagetest, it would pick up the testrunner wadl file and believe that launchpad had no capabilities at all, since the testrunner wadl file was basically empty
[11:11] <mwhudson> leonardr: ah
[11:11] <mwhudson> that makes sense
[11:12] <leonardr> so i removed the testrunner wadl file, but then i needed a bigger test to prove that launchpad's wadl caching worked
[11:15] <wgrant> The WADL's not generated for every test, right?
[11:24] <leonardr> the wadl is generated when it's requested and not present on disk
[11:25] <leonardr> and not present in the in-memory cache
[11:26] <wgrant> Great.
[11:26] <leonardr> that's one wadl generation per version requested per launchpad restart
[11:27] <wgrant> Excellent.
[13:22] <bac> morning everyone.  bring out yer dead.
[16:03] <sinzui> bac: I have a short branch when you have time. I will have spm test it to verify we want to land the trivial fix.
[16:24] <salgado> bac, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~salgado/launchpad/bug-547054/+merge/22460 for me?
[16:53] <bac> sinzui:  are you seeking a r-c for your branch?
[16:53] <sinzui> no
[16:54] <bac> ok, i'll mark it approved then
[19:51] <jml> some brave soul might want to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/ssh-key-auth/+merge/21801 -- but please don't feel obliged
[19:51] <jml> I'll look at it later to try to break it down into smaller branches.
[19:52] <jml> mentioning in case someone would prefer to spare me the trouble
[19:52] <salgado> thanks for the review, bac. :)
[19:53] <bac> salgado: np
[19:54] <bac> jml: is it mostly mechanical?
[19:54] <jml> bac, sadly no.
[19:54] <bac> jml: ick
[19:54] <jml> bac, I mean, a lot of it is just moving stuff into another place and then tweaking it a little
[19:55] <jml> bac, but it deserves quite a thorough review, IMO.
[19:55] <bac> jml: right
[19:55] <bac> jml: sadly for you i was experimenting with using a smallest-first approach to +activereviews today
[19:56] <jml> bac, heh, that's ok :)
[19:56] <jml> bac, I'll leave it in the IRC backlog just in case someone is feeling really really generous.
[21:08] <sinzui> bac: https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/auto-yui-tests/+merge/22485 could unblock you
[21:08] <bac> sinzui: and you move to the front of the queue
[21:08] <bac> well, you were already at the front
[21:09] <sinzui> I am also at the back of the que :(
[21:09] <sinzui> And I lost a "ue"
[21:09] <bac> potato/potato
[21:09] <sinzui> potatoe!
[21:09] <sinzui> thanks you happy campers
[21:11]  * sinzui ponders how two Bush presidents could pick such diametrically opposed VPs
[22:09] <bac> sinzui: your yui test runner only works for lp.registry, right?
[22:09] <sinzui> yes
[22:10] <bac> but my JS for product series was moved to lp.code.
[22:10] <bac> :(
[22:10] <sinzui> I can make a small change to include other tests
[22:10] <bac> yeah, we'll have to.  but it would've been nice to keep it isolated
[22:11] <sinzui> I need to set the  layer dynamically
[22:11] <sinzui> Subclass the test runner for code
[22:11]  * sinzui could move the test class to lp.testing
[22:15] <sinzui> bac: Do you want me to move the class into lp.testing then subclass it for registry?
[22:16] <bac> yes i guess that makes the most sense.
[22:16] <bac> then i'll do it for code
[22:16] <sinzui> or move into lp.testing and dynamically set the test name/layer part
[22:16] <bac> the former makes more sense to me
[22:17] <sinzui> okay
[22:49] <sinzui> bac ping
[22:49] <bac> hi
[22:50] <sinzui> bac: I moved the base test class to lp.testing...
[22:50] <sinzui> I got a circular import for canonical.launchpad.testing.pages...
[22:50] <bac> ok, can you paste a diff and put a link in the MP?
[22:51] <bac> doh
[22:51]  * bac hides
[22:52] <sinzui> https://pastebin.canonical.com/29881/
[22:54] <sinzui> bac: I think paste of the actual code is easier to read
[22:54] <sinzui> https://pastebin.canonical.com/29883/
[22:57] <bac> yeah, the diff is a mess since the file got gutted
[22:57] <bac> but the change looks great
[22:57] <sinzui> I think I know how to make timelines work...
[22:57] <sinzui> maybe I'll do that for edwin to review tomorrow


[00:20] <poolie> beuno: hey i think improving lp navigation would be great
[00:21] <beuno> poolie, I've been obsessing about it since before I started  :)
[00:23] <poolie> me too
[00:24] <beuno> good, I really hope I can get a good round of input on this
[01:00] <markh> thumper: it looks like sourceforge have completed their cvs upgrade?
[01:01] <kiko> markh, yeah, and Rinchen was talking to them about this
[05:43]  * wgrant is swallowed by the Launchpad black hole.
[05:57] <wgrant> Ursinha: Since you seem to be alive, do you know why all subtabs and subsubtabs (and maybe even subsubsubtabs) have turned into several shades of black/darkgrey? It's rather unlike the rest of LP...
[05:57] <Ursinha> wgrant, hey
[05:57] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/+related-software looks particularly odd with its large number of tabs.
[05:57] <Ursinha> wgrant, urgh
[05:57] <Ursinha> indeed
[05:58] <Ursinha> just saw it on a code review comment page
[05:58] <Ursinha> have to check if it's on purpose
[05:59] <wgrant> I presume so.
[05:59] <wgrant> (although the bottom left corner of a selected left-most tab is still the old colour)
[05:59] <Ursinha> hmm
[05:59] <Ursinha> now i see
[06:00] <Ursinha> hm, no
[06:00] <wgrant> I presume they changed to make them more obvious... although it worked, I don't think this was the way to do it.
[06:00] <Ursinha> where is the old colour?
[06:00] <wgrant> Ah, just had to clear my cache.
[06:01] <Ursinha> wgrant, feel free to file a bug, i'm sure beuno would be happy to hear
[06:01] <wgrant> But I thought the media URLs were by revision...
[08:01] <thumper> wgrant: I believe it was to make them more noticeable
[08:01] <thumper> wgrant: a bit "in your face" now though
[08:02] <wgrant> thumper: That's what I've heard from others, yes.
[08:02] <wgrant> thumper: Bug #276618
[09:54]  * Hobbsee rants incoherantly.
[09:55] <Hobbsee> I thought we were going to finally have a release when launchpad *didn't* break!
[09:56] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: seems your fix didn't quite work.  Trying to accept 8 packages results in OOPS-1005EB58.
[11:52] <wgrant> kiko: The old tab colours worked just fine...
[11:54] <kiko> wgrant, except they didn't, and it was #2 general end-user complaint.
[11:55] <wgrant> kiko: What was the complaint? They were unobvious?
[11:55] <kiko> (I'm not telling what #1 is!!)
[11:55] <kiko> yes, that they were completely invisible
[11:55] <wgrant> This is true.
[11:55] <kiko> nobody could see them
[11:55] <kiko> okay I'll tell you the #1 one
[11:55] <kiko> it's that you can't see the delete branch icon
[11:55] <kiko> it's got a Cloak of Disappearance +3 on it
[11:55] <wgrant> Yes, that's a nice one.
[11:56] <wgrant> Heh.
[11:56] <kiko> the #3 one
[11:56] <wgrant> The tabs do look nice, but not inside the rest of the UI.
[11:56] <wgrant> Which is fairly light.
[11:56] <kiko> since I am doing laundry
[11:56] <wgrant> Heh.
[11:56] <kiko> is that you can't convert projects to project groups
[11:56] <wgrant> That's a matter of significant confusion.
[11:56] <kiko> silly data model
[11:56] <wgrant> But I guess that can't easily be fixed.
[11:56] <wgrant> Right.
[11:56] <kiko> it caaaan I think
[11:56] <kiko> but not easy easy
[11:56] <kiko> anyway
[11:56] <kiko> as for the tabs
[11:57] <kiko> they are now obvious but look like a megadeth album cover
[11:57] <kiko> well, without the skeleton
[11:57] <kiko> I think it's just a colour thing and actually I told Martin do WHATEVER is easy to fix the problem and don't let it take up too much of your time
[11:57] <kiko> so I take the blame for that
[11:57] <wgrant> "It really does reach out and slap you" is another comment about them.
[11:57] <kiko> but I will also take help in figuring out what the right colours could be
[11:58]  * wgrant is a coder, not a graphical designer, regrettably.
[12:06] <wgrant> kiko: I note bug #276409 is sort of the opposite of that #1 complaint.
[13:04] <kiko> wgrant, heh, absolutely true
[13:09]  * Hobbsee waves to kiko, and congratulates him on a performance improvement.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> kiko: should I reopen the existing bug on queue performance, or file another one?
[13:14] <kiko> Hobbsee, I'll talk to julian about it.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> kiko: OK, cool, thanks.  It died when I tried to accept 8 together, but 4 was OK.
[13:16] <kiko> there's something crazy about that oops
[13:17] <Hobbsee> oh?
[13:17] <wgrant> A particular crazy crazy happening. This cannot be good.
[14:36] <joshuablount> This may be a silly question, but do bugs / blueprints have rss feeds?
[14:40] <kiko> joshuablount, yeah, they do!
[14:40] <joshuablount> kiko: Awesome, I'm stoked!
[14:41] <kiko> mrevell, I'm struggling to find any documentation on help.launchpad.net about RSS for bugs n branches
[14:42] <mrevell> kiko: Just a sec, I'll pull up the links
[14:42] <mrevell> For bugs, there's: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Subscriptions#Atom%20feeds
[14:42] <joshuablount> kiko: I found them (of course, right after I asked in the channel) for bugs, but Blueprints aren't showing up.
[14:43] <joshuablount> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tangocms/+spec/error-log is one example of a blueprint witout a feed ? Or at least a "browser-discoverable" feed.
[14:46] <mrevell> joshuablount: AFAIK, we have feeds for bugs and code. Let me pull out some info on code feeds. AFAIK we don't have blueprint feeds but let me double-check on that
[14:47] <kiko> joshuablount, yeah, we don't have RSS for blueprints
[14:49] <mrevell> joshuablount: For code, we have feeds for all branches associated with a person, team or project and feeds for all commits associated with a person, team or project. I don't have a doc link to give you (I'll go write it, as I realise it's missing) but if you navigate to a person, team or project page you'll find the feeds are discoverable from there.
[14:49] <joshuablount> kiko: Good to know. I was just looking through mpt 's document on combining the bugs + blueprints and had a few questions I couldn't sort the answers to. Thanks again!
[14:49] <joshuablount> mrevell: Thanks!
[14:49] <mrevell> np :)
[15:57] <rexbron> hey everyone, I am getting a timeout error (OOPS-1005EA94) when trying to link a blueprint dependancy. Is this just server load or indicative of something else?
[16:00]  * rexbron notes that this is a consistent error over the last 15 minutes
[16:01] <rexbron> kiko: would you be able to shed some light at on this problem? ^
[16:08] <philn> hi
[16:08] <rexbron> darn it, same problem on both edge and regular lp
[16:10] <philn> for the Elisa project we have a private bzr branch, associated to a specific team... i'd need more of them! what's the process?
[16:10] <kiko> rexbron, it's a bit of a weird problem
[16:10] <kiko> hey philn
[16:11] <kiko> philn, it depends -- if it's for a canonical contract the request can come via tony espy; otherwise, you should contact bac -- I'll introduce you
[16:11] <philn> it's not for a canonical contract this time
[16:27] <philn> bac: ping?
[16:28] <bac> philn -- on the phone right now.  i'll contact you in a few minutes.
[16:28] <philn> ok
[16:51] <bac> hi philn, what's up?
[16:53] <philn> i'd like to have some private bzr branches for the elisa project
[18:55] <thumper> rexbron: looks like a bug to me
[18:58] <Slash_Network> [Problem] Hello all, I've fail to signe the code of conduct : I genereted the keys, uploaded public key to ubuntu keyserver, entred my fingerprint key, then I received an email from Launchpad which countain a link to put the singed texte. I'm bloked in this step. Some help will be greatfull.
[18:59] <beuno> Slash_Network, are you following: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey ?
[19:01] <Slash_Network> yes, but fail nevertheless
[19:01] <beuno> Slash_Network, so, you have to decrypt the message you got
[19:02] <Slash_Network> I've receive a mail but not encrypted
[19:05] <Slash_Network> it contain User name, Email adress, key details, UID and this link https://launchpad.net/token/ZH73b7BmP3T906L3cvsC
[19:07] <beuno> hm, I haven't don the CoC thing in a while
[19:12] <Slash_Network> I haven't receive yet the encrypted email to decrypt, the problem started since ona week
[19:12] <Slash_Network> *one
[19:12] <beuno> Slash_Network, sorry, I got confused
[19:12] <beuno> you already uploaded your gpg key?
[19:13] <Slash_Network> yeah !
[19:13] <beuno> ok, ignore what I've said up to now
[19:14] <Slash_Network> okey
[19:14] <beuno> what's your Launchpad username?
[19:14] <Slash_Network> Slash Network
[19:16] <beuno> it doesn't look like you've completed the gpg upload
[19:19] <Slash_Network> I upload in the keyserver.ubuntu.com and the command seems to be with no error
[19:20] <beuno> ok, but now you have to confirm that with Launchpad
[19:20] <beuno> which you get by following the link above
[19:20] <beuno> at what step are you stuck at?
[19:21] <beuno> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey#Importing%20your%20key%20into%20Launchpad
[19:21] <Slash_Network> okey, step 4
[19:22] <beuno> Slash_Network, ok, so you got that link
[19:22] <beuno> you decrypted it, and go that link
[19:23] <beuno> if you follow that link
[19:23] <beuno> you should be able to confirm your key
[19:24] <Slash_Network> I have received the email, as I said, but no encryption in at all
[19:25] <beuno> ok, well, follow the link
[19:25] <beuno> you should be able to confirm the key
[19:26] <Slash_Network> here is the email I received :
[19:26] <Slash_Network> Hello,
[19:26] <Slash_Network> Here are the instructions for confirming the OpenPGP key registration that we
[19:26] <Slash_Network> received for use in Launchpad.
[19:26] <Slash_Network> Requester details:
[19:26] <Slash_Network>     User name    : Slash Network
[19:26] <Slash_Network>     Email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:26] <Slash_Network> Key details:
[19:26] <Slash_Network>     Fingerprint : 4C7C1842D909F6211E8153F442FFE3C7E73DC550
[19:26] <Slash_Network>     Key type/ID : 2048R/E73DC550
[19:26] <Slash_Network> UIDs:
[19:26] <Slash_Network><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:26] <Slash_Network> Please go here to finish adding the key to your Launchpad account:
[19:26] <Slash_Network>     https://launchpad.net/token/ZH73b7BmP3T906L3cvsC
[19:26] <Slash_Network> Thanks,
[19:26] <Slash_Network> The Launchpad Team
[19:27] <kiko-phone> oy my eyes
[19:27] <beuno> Slash_Network, let's try and not paste a lot of text in the channel in the future
[19:27] <beuno> now
[19:27] <beuno> follow that link please
[19:28] <beuno> and you should be able to finish the proces
[19:28] <Slash_Network> excuse me, for the paste
[19:29] <Slash_Network> I'll tray again, thank you for your replay
[19:29] <beuno> good luck!
[19:29] <Slash_Network> yeah !
[21:18] <zooko> It seems like Rhamphoryncus is on *all* the channels that I'm on.
[21:18] <Rhamphoryncus> naw, only a couple
[21:30] <kiko> zooko, it's free to join channels on IRC..
[21:31] <zooko> Good thing, too!
[21:34] <jordi> KIKO REIS
[21:35] <jordi> he is the man
[21:35] <jordi> kiko: I've started training last week, after two years of complete NADA
[21:36] <jordi> kiko: soon I'll be able to kick your ass
[21:36] <Nafallo> kiko: iz not!
[21:36]  * rockstar is wondering why he's been paying to join channels on IRC
[21:36] <Nafallo> kiko: I had to bribe staff to get the "joinmorechannels" capability :-)
[21:37]  * beuno had to as well
[21:37] <cody-somerville> same here
[21:37] <kiko> jordi, har har
[21:38] <cody-somerville> +u opers unite!
[21:38] <kiko> jordi, 5th in the national's championships
[21:46] <zooko> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/TracPlugin
[21:47] <zooko> ^-- why does the "Activating the Plugin" part have the comment
[21:47] <zooko> # for 0.10
[21:47] <zooko> in it?
[21:47] <zooko> I'm using trac 0.11.  Do I need that part?
[21:53] <kiko> zooko, hmm, good question. let me check.
[21:53] <kiko> zooko, what trac instance do you run?
[21:53] <zooko> Thanks.
[21:53] <zooko> http://allmydata.org/trac/
[21:53] <zooko> Starting with http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe
[22:10] <laga> will launchpad ever get faster? i'm currently branching lp:ubiquity at 70kbps
[22:11] <zooko> kiko: any word on that trac configuration question?
[22:12] <rockstar> laga, bzr is getting faster everyday.
[22:14] <laga> rockstar: bzr might (breaking compatibility with older clients while they're at it ;)), but LP doesnt :)
[22:14] <beuno> laga, AFAIK, there aren't any speed issues with code costing
[22:14] <beuno> *hosting
[22:14] <rockstar> laga, what's your geographic location?
[22:14] <beuno> I've seen people branch at 1mb/sec
[22:14] <laga> rockstar: germany.
[22:15] <zooko> Hm.  While following those instructions, I now get: $ trac-admin . permission add launchpad XML_RPC
[22:15] <zooko> Command failed: XML_RPC is not a valid action.
[22:15] <laga> beuno: maybe it's just a routing problem with my particular ISP.
[22:15] <rockstar> laga, I'd talk to your ISP.  I have to cross the atlantic, and I get faster speeds than that.
[22:15] <laga> hum
[22:15] <laga> i'll ssh to my school.
[22:15] <beuno> laga, my guess is that it is ISP issues
[22:16] <beuno> I'm way over in Argentina, que get 300kb/sec frequently
[22:16] <laga> actually, let me log into the VPN. that would be even better
[22:17] <zooko> kiko: any idea why the instructions aren't working for my trac0.11.1?
[22:17] <laga> this is going to be an interesting benchmark
[22:33] <zooko> Okay I asked a Question:
[22:33] <zooko> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+question/46871
[22:41] <laga> i'll apologise and hang my head in shame. i can pull around 1M/s, but it goes down a bit in the end. probably due to bzr.
[22:41] <laga> i'm just not used to waiting 10 minutes for a checkout ;)
[22:42] <beuno> laga, :)
[22:42] <beuno> what branch are you getting?
[22:42] <laga> lp:ubiquity
[22:43] <laga> i shouldn't be triaging bugs at 11pm ;)
[22:44] <beuno> heh
[23:24] <zooko> Yay!  Launchpad-Trac plugin is now installed and turned on: http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe
[23:25] <beuno> zooko, w00t!
[23:25] <beuno> let us know how that goes
[23:26] <zooko> I'm now waiting for launchpad admin to turn it on on their end.
[23:27] <beuno> zooko, I'm sure BjornT will get to it pretty soon
[23:40] <zooko> :-)
[23:58] <poolie> spiv, jam, lifeless, call in 3m
[23:58] <spiv> poolie: unusual choice of channel ;)
[23:59] <poolie> oh
[23:59] <poolie> i think xchat opened the tab while i was typing
[23:59] <poolie> that's kind of a bug


[01:07] <databuddy> eh
[01:07] <databuddy> been nice
[01:14] <Tm_T> assasukasse: hey you
[01:14] <Tm_T> afonic`oFF: how off ?
[01:18] <LukeEkblad> Hello
[01:19] <LukeEkblad> I need help updating ubuntu
[01:19] <LukeEkblad> Anyone here?
[01:19] <bazhang> go to #ubuntu LukeEkblad
[01:20] <Tm_T> LukeEkblad: also read channel topics
[01:26] <LukeEkblad> they banned me
[01:26] <LukeEkblad> I duno why
[01:26] <LukeEkblad> I neeeed help pleas
[01:27] <LjL> LukeEkblad, you're offtopic, and being banned from another channel is no excuse.
[01:27] <LukeEkblad> ok
[01:27] <LukeEkblad> what am i soposed to do then?
[01:28] <Tm_T> LukeEkblad: find reason why youre banned and fix it
[01:28] <Tm_T> if it your behaviour, learn
[01:28] <LjL> LukeEkblad: well, you might try to not get banned the next time. if you don't know why you were banned, try typing « /msg ubotu etiquette »
[01:29] <LjL> if you still don't find the reason why you were banned in there, try asking in #ubuntu-ops
[01:29] <bazhang> that must be a fun channel :}
[01:29] <Tm_T> bazhang: it is, my home
[01:29] <bazhang> can i visit?
[01:30] <LjL> not without a reason please
[01:30] <bazhang> sorry LjL just kidding --back to #offtopic for me
[03:08] <Powerking89670> night all
[03:34] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know when xserver-xorg-core is going to be imported for hardy?
[03:35] <shirish> Also does anybody have any idea what paramter is good to set for tune2fs ? I wanna set it up so it doesn't check frequently the hdd (fsck) while at the same time if the file-system is dirty it should check it, any or all suggestion will be nice.
[04:35] <KevinO0oO> is there a place to submit artwork for hardy?
[04:43] <IdleOne> !artwork
[04:43] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:44] <IdleOne> hmmm
[04:44] <IdleOne> I know there is a place ummm check wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:44] <KevinO0oO> ok
[04:44] <KevinO0oO> thanks
[04:44] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ hehe there it is
[04:45] <KevinO0oO> cool thanks
[04:45] <IdleOne> np
[11:32] <Toma-> Is pulseaudio really going to be the default in Heron?
[11:35] <compwiz18> it'd be pretty cool if it is
[14:24] <hydrogen> can I walk hardy?
[14:30] <Hobbsee> hydrogen: no :P
[14:30] <hydrogen> but it needs its exercise~
[16:11] <idleone> need some serious help with hardy. seems that xserver is gone I now have a nice texted based OS. tried installing xserver-xorg-core but I got something about dependencies and if I wanted to accept the solution but it scrolled by to quick and it seems the solution was to not install anything
[16:12] <idleone> upside is that without X my pc is like a greased pig with lightning in its arse lmao
[16:13] <hggdh> idleone: yes, xserver is being updated, but not all is there
[16:13] <hggdh> so...
[16:14] <hggdh> idleone: one solution: go back to gutsy (reset your /etc/apt/source.list so that all refs are to gutsy instead of hardy, and reinstall xserver from there
[16:14] <idleone> hggdh: earlier this morning aptitude removed about 8 to 10 xserver packages and then my computer got rebooted
[16:15] <idleone> hggdh: so what your telling me is to roll back? :/
[16:15] <idleone> guess I can do that
[16:15] <idleone> hggdh: i need to reinstall xserver-xorg-core correct?
[16:16] <hggdh> idleone: I would reinstall *all* xserver components that show more recent versions that the gutsy ones
[16:16] <idleone> hggdh: can you give me a list of the packages I need to install please
[16:16] <hggdh> idleone: you do not need to roll back, but I understand from your post that you are not happy with a text-based system ;-)
[16:17] <idleone> hggdh: IT RUNS FINE BUT i LIKE MY gui
[16:17] <hggdh> idleone: start with xserver-xorg-core
[16:18] <idleone> hggdh: ok so edit sources.list to gutsy and sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-core
[16:18] <idleone> will do
[16:18] <idleone> how do I get to TTY now ctrl+alt+F1 didnt work
[16:20] <idleone> never mind I got it I am on TTY1 now :)
[16:20] <hggdh> k
[16:20] <hggdh> idleone: start with sudo apt-get update
[16:21] <hggdh> you have to get the gutsy dists first
[16:21] <hggdh> idleone: with the risk of stating the obvious: Hardy is not even alpha yet.
[16:22] <hggdh> idleone: systems *WILL* break
[16:22] <hggdh> so, I would strong suggest not to play with Hardy on your base system
[16:23] <hggdh> idleone: run it, for example, under VMWare -- if it breaks, the worst is reinstall the VMWare image. BUT your base system is still intact ;-)
[16:24] <idleone> hggdh: oh I know and I took the chance and I am not upset or anything. I expected this to happen and was kinda looking forward to it in a strange way :)
[16:24] <hggdh> idleone: well. you got it smack on... :-D
[16:24] <idleone> ok installing 48 new xserver packages
[16:25] <idleone> hggdh: :)
[16:26] <idleone> I'll tell you the lack of a GUI does make this machine a work horse
[16:28] <idleone> ok packages installed now logout and back in to GUI correct
[16:28] <idleone> or is there a better way
[16:28] <idleone> brb
[16:32] <IdleOne> hggdh: thank you for your help. got GUI back now my next question is if/when I upgrade to Hardy again will this happen again ?
[16:36] <IdleOne> that was a sem-stupid question indeed
[16:36] <IdleOne> semi
[16:39] <hggdh> idleone: no, not stupid. There are almost no stupid questions
[16:39] <Niteye> i think for the next release they should include more photographs of young women's posteriors
[16:40] <IdleOne> Niteye: you have been warned once in #ubuntu please stop now
[16:40] <hggdh> Whenever you try again, use -- for example -- synaptic, and carefully look at the lists of what is being removed/updated
[16:40] <bazhang> !ohmy
[16:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[16:40] <IdleOne> !ops | Niteye
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[16:41] <gerro> ooh next one is called hardy, nice to know. Hope it goes smooth
[16:41] <IdleOne> hggdh: well my question was malformed. what I should of asked is when can I expect Hardy to be usable in a non stable way
[16:42] <hggdh> idleOne: I guess at least after the first alpha release
[16:42] <IdleOne> hggdh: release schedual been set yet?
[16:42] <bazhang> hardy is an LTS so should be less major changes, more stability
[16:43] <PriceChild> IdleOne, have you looked?
[16:43] <hggdh> idleOne: I do not think so, at least the channel header states it has not
[16:43] <IdleOne> PriceChild: I did not :/
[16:43] <bazhang> rumored to be the end of this month--though that might change
[16:43] <PriceChild> IdleOne, usual place... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/$(adjective)ReleaseSchedule
[16:43] <PriceChild> so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:44] <IdleOne> ty
[16:44] <bazhang> thanks PriceChild
[16:44] <IdleOne> hehe $(adjective)
[16:45] <IdleOne> 29th
[17:20] <Laser88> Hi!
[17:22] <scizzo-> hello
[18:15] <RichW> What is good about hardy as compared to gutsy?
[18:15] <RichW> feature list?
[18:16] <Laser88> In the moment? The adventure...
[18:16] <gnomefreak> RichW: atm nothing it is hardy without GUI
[18:16] <gnomefreak> sorry gutsy without GUI
[18:19] <RichW> In future??
[18:20] <RichW> Is there a roadmap or set objectives?
[18:21] <Laser88> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap
[18:21] <RichW> I would like emerald installed by default as an option along compiz :)
[18:22] <gnomefreak> RichW: isnt it installed by default in gutsy? non kde
[18:22] <RichW> i dont think so
[18:22] <RichW> not from what I can remember from past installations
[18:22] <gnomefreak> if you have kubuntu/kde no compiz packages will be installed by default
[18:22] <RichW> of gutsy
[18:22] <RichW> I dont use kubuntu
[18:23] <gnomefreak> RichW: i thought it was but i dont have a gutsy pc handy atm
[18:24] <RichW> Im also having problems with gutsy's ubiquity installer not supporting mdadm raids.
[18:24] <RichW> which results in having to do manual installation hacks
[18:24] <RichW> with debootstrap
[18:24] <gnomefreak> RichW: file a bug on it
[18:26] <RichW> I figured it might be something to do with partman. I was planning to work on a patch myself first but.. I read that roadmap and saw "general autopartitioner revamp (ue-partitioning-tool)"
[18:27] <RichW> I am unsure if that new tool solves the problem.
[18:27] <RichW> I might file a bug anyway perhaps someone would help with development
[18:29] <RichW> I think mdadm would have to be installed by default (Should be only possible in hardy release)
[18:33] <gnomefreak> mdadm is installed by default atleast on my gutsy it is but you are talking pre install so how would anything help you if installed by default, RichW to continue with gutsy topic join #ubuntu for support or #ubuntu-offtopic for non support
[18:35] <JasonF> X is broken in hardy ATM, just an FYI to all the "developers" ;)
[18:35] <JasonF> to not dist-upgrade if you like a gui
[18:36] <gnomefreak> JasonF: its in query
[18:36] <gnomefreak> JasonF: and its been broken for 4 days
[18:37] <JasonF> I don't know what you mean by "query", but I just have hardy on my 2nd workstation @ work, so I don't touch it too often
[18:38] <Laser88> JasonF: It's a pre-alpha - what do you expect?
[18:38] <JasonF> everything to be broken at any given time
[18:39] <JasonF> I'm not complaining, just letting anyone know who hasn't encountered the problem that they might want to way a day or three before updating their install, that's all.
[18:39] <gnomefreak> JasonF: its been pushed to query and will be released to archives as soon as it can be
[18:39] <JasonF> gnomefreak: aah. thanks for the terminology info :)
[18:39] <Laser88> ok, misunderstood the FYI probably
[18:40] <gnomefreak> not sure why you would inform devs in this channel of anything and X is kind of important so its noticed almost right away
[18:41] <gnomefreak> JasonF: the X devs dont hang out in here and very few devs at all hang out in here, unless there is another reason to be here
[18:41] <JasonF> Okay.
[18:41] <JasonF> the "developers" bit was more meant to be a joke about the /topic that was, until a few days ago, instructing only devs to run it
[18:42] <gnomefreak> JasonF: only devs need to run it
[18:42] <gnomefreak> JasonF: there isnt anything other than tool chain that has changed from gutsy to hardy
[18:43] <gnomefreak> a few things but those are simple bug fixes or like new irssi release that cant be pushed to gutsy, gutsy has backports of most things that havent made it to hardy so gutsy is newer in that sense
[18:43] <gnomefreak> iceape thunderbird are newer in gutsy than hardy ;)
[18:44] <gnomefreak> just example off top of head
[18:44] <JasonF> interesting :)
[18:44] <bazhang> sure is
[18:44] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i know im working on thunderbird for hardy and i pushed iceape for gutsy and soon hardy waiting on a sponser
[18:45] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks! do you a blog?
[18:45] <bazhang> err have
[18:45] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes but i can get to it atm
[18:45] <gnomefreak> bazhang: we will post it to ubuntu planet
[18:45] <bazhang> cool. thanks gnomefreak
[18:45] <gnomefreak> planet.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <bazhang> awesome
[18:45] <gnomefreak> when i get things new they will go there, like new sunbird sitting there waiting to be pushed
[18:46] <bazhang> what's the best language to learn first gnomefreak? python c ++?
[18:46] <gnomefreak> bazhang: best join hardy-changes mailing list
[18:47] <bazhang> will do. thanks again gnomefreak
[18:47] <gnomefreak> bazhang: choice is yours if you want a better answer try them until you find one or ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:47] <Laser88> gnomefreak: What version of sunbird will it make to Hardy Heron?
[18:47] <gnomefreak>  for now~
[18:47] <gnomefreak> 0.7 for now
[18:47] <gnomefreak> it is newest
[18:47] <Laser88> Yeah, got it me today for Feisty Fawn
[18:47] <gnomefreak> but if they release faster than they have been anything under 1.0 will make it
[18:48] <Laser88> thx
[18:48] <gnomefreak> im waiting for hardy+1 to introduce 1.0 (if it makes it since it will depend on libxul and so far iceape nor sunbird support it
[18:48] <Laser88> 0.3 couldn't read the storage.sdb from 0.5 - the other way went
[18:49] <gnomefreak> gutsy has 0.5 and it works fine afaik there were 3 bugs and non that could be fixed in gutsy, if i get this nobinonly script to work i might only have to push sunbird once
[18:50] <gnomefreak> btw .03 failed to work on too many peoples set ups
[18:50] <gnomefreak> 0.3
[18:52] <Laser88> I always send me emails with the storage.sdb from one PC to the other and the Feisty Fawn sunbird couldn't read the sdb from Hardy Heron
[18:57] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm maybe i will do sunbird today or tomorrow
[19:03] <Laser88> gnomefreak: do you need help in translating to German?
[19:04] <gnomefreak> Laser88: nope not german
[19:04] <gnomefreak> .win 10
[19:04] <Laser88> sry - my only language
[19:04] <Laser88> Are you also doing firefox?
[19:14] <gnomefreak> Laser88: not atm asac is working on firefox 2.0 its mainly his
[19:15] <gnomefreak> Laser88: he is ubuntu mozilla maintainer but i have iceape and sunbird that i maintain and i will fix others as needed if he doesnt get to it
[19:16] <Laser88> gnomefreak: No problem with FF 2, but FF 3.0a8
[19:16] <gnomefreak> Laser88: give it time we have a9 working atm not sure wher eit will be pushed but it should get in gutsy-security
[19:17] <gnomefreak> when i get home from hospital ill find out more, but a9 is causing problems last i heard
[19:17] <gnomefreak> Laser88: if you go to mozillateam PPA archive the most uptodate packages are there but they will have bugs well expect them to
[19:18] <gnomefreak> launchpad.net/~mozillateam than click on PPA
[19:18] <gnomefreak> if i had GUI i could giv eyou exact link
[19:18] <Laser88> I'll find it
[19:22] <gnomefreak> bbl
[19:22] <gnomefreak> Laser88: you have to be on gutsy to run them unless we added xulrunner-1.9 to the archive
[19:23] <gnomefreak> i cant remember atm
[19:25] <Laser88> gnomefreak: I tried to run FF 3.0a8 on Gutsy and now on Hardy - Alpha7 no problem, but now: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400582
[19:25] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 400582 in General "No file, edit,... back, forward,...tabs in Firefox3.0a8" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[20:01] <Laser87> gn8
[21:56] <nikolam> Hello
[21:57] <nikolam> Is there a way a can tight myself more to *buntu development process
[21:57] <nikolam> it there some testin teams etc
[21:57] <nikolam> I tested Tribe releases before
[21:58] <nikolam> But my envollvment was very small
[21:58] <nikolam> All I can do is post some bugs
[21:58] <nikolam> i didn`t find a way to test in some organised and coordinated way
[22:05] <ba5e> Hi I set my default vbox dir to /media/disk/Virtual Machines and even after removing vbox, if I remove the dir and reboot it gets re-created! how can I stop this?
[22:05] <ba5e> it needs root privalages to write there, so it must be in a start up script... but where?
[22:32] <Lin> why this doesn't work as expected   http://wowi.pastey.net/76660 (bubblehearth)? why /stopcasting didn't "clean" the divine protection casting status?
[22:32] <Lin> AFAI divine protection is instant.
[22:34] <Lin> sorry wrong channel
[23:16] <bardyr> Hey
[23:17] <bardyr> is there any ETA for a kernel update?
[23:42] <blue|palm> will there be a future version of fglrx (>= 8.42) in hardy?
[23:42] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: not sure yet right now there is no X in hardy
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: most likely it will make it but may not end with it
[23:43] <bardyr> no X?
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, lol, ok (I had no idea we start from scratch each distro build)
[23:43] <blue|palm> but thanks
[23:43] <blue|palm> bardyr, yet
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: we dont
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: X is broken
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, oh
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, figures
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, if i may ask, is it 7.3?
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: it is a simple mistake in packaging that is being fixed
[23:44] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: yes same version in gutsy
[23:44] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, 7.3 made it to gutsy?
[23:44] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, wow... im behind the times
[23:44] <gnomefreak> or maybe not but i thought it did
[23:44] <bardyr> gnomefreak, there are a ton of x-server packages being hold back, X is still there?
[23:44] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: x --version
[23:44] <gnomefreak> what does that say?
[23:45] <gnomefreak> bardyr: X is there for people that didnt dist-upgrade
[23:45] <gnomefreak> bardyr: that doesnt mean its not broken ;)
[23:45] <bardyr> i did dist-upgrade and X is working
[23:45] <gnomefreak> its missing depends not all packages were uploaded at same time
[23:45] <gnomefreak> bardyr: not in last 3-4 days you didnt
[23:45] <bardyr> gnomefreak, yep
[23:45] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, its complaining about no option 'version' available
[23:45] <gnomefreak> unless mike finally held it back
[23:46] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: hold on a sec
[23:46] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: try X --version
[23:46] <gnomefreak> i get cant execute it
[23:46] <blue|palm> gnomefreak,  i did, since x failed too
[23:46] <blue|palm> ill check in synaptic
[23:46] <gnomefreak> !info X gutsy
[23:46] <ubotu> Package x does not exist in gutsy
[23:47] <gnomefreak> !info x gutsy
[23:47] <gnomefreak> or not
[23:47] <gnomefreak> xorg is 7.2
[23:47] <blue|palm> ah ok
[23:47] <blue|palm> thought so
[23:47] <gnomefreak> but X version i thought made it to 7.3 but either way 7.3 options are in our version
[23:47] <blue|palm> last question: did gutsy get some new text rendering engine of some sort?
[23:48] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: bulletproofX is 7.3 but you have it :)
[23:48] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: gutsy questions in #ubuntu
[23:48] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, they complain because its not a 'support' issue
[23:48] <blue|palm> sigh
[23:48] <blue|palm> thanks for the info
[23:49] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: ask it in there if someone says it tell me
[23:49] <blue|palm> much appreciated
[23:49] <blue|palm> ok
[23:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Any ideas why kdelib's libkmid MidiPlayer component only plays the first note of a MIDI file (called from kmid) on x86_64 ?
[23:49] <bardyr> gnomefreak, you know any ETA for a kernel update?
[23:49] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: try #kubuntu
[23:50] <gnomefreak> bardyr: there isnt one atm
[23:50] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[23:50] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: its not hardy question and its kde related
[23:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Um, it is. I'm working on getting kdelib 64-bit issues solved so I can patch it for Hardy
[23:51] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: than try #kubuntu-devel
[23:51] <IntuitiveNipple> It looks like a build issue since 32-bit works fine
[23:52] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: than it belongs in -devel channels
[23:54] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, are we going to see a new version of gnome in *every* ubuntu release? has gnome's dev cycle synced with ubuntus?
[23:54] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: always
[23:54] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, thats really impressive, that ubuntu is changing the linux world so much :-D
[23:57] <bardyr> how can people tell gnome releases apart? i cant see any difference in the last 4 releases of gnome
[23:57] <gnomefreak> bardyr: if you look hard you can
[23:57] <gnomefreak> bardyr: ---> #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy has fuzzy icons :p


[12:28] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb, call in 2
[12:28] <gary_poster> and hiya
[12:28] <gmb> k
[12:30] <bac> ok
[12:31] <gary_poster> bug 838825 gmb
[12:31] <_mup_> Bug #838825: Async comment loading doesn't display the comment form <bugs-async-comments> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/838825 >
[14:20] <bac> gary_poster: when running natty on bare MBP do you ever use an external monitor?
[14:21] <gary_poster> bac, yes (though it's been awhile since I pursued that project.  My Mac/VM is just so convenient)
[14:21] <bac> gary_poster: on my 5,1 the nvidia driver hangs at boot and the community driver doesn't support the display port.  :(
[14:21] <bac> VM for me again
[14:22] <bac> i had forgotten this fact before buying my new 27" monitor
[14:24] <gary_poster> bac, huh.  WFM.  Mine's a 27 too, and...I use the "big" nvidia card always.  I think mine is a 5,3
[14:25] <bac> gary_poster: dunno.  worked with bryce for a long time and he was stumped wrt nvidia
[14:26] <gary_poster> eesh. :-/
[14:59] <gary_poster> ...CHR...
[15:06] <gary_poster> wow, bac and gmb, great job on CHR.  Thanks.  Done.
[16:36] <gary_poster> lunch
[17:49] <benji> Reason 85 I enjoy working from home: Mello Yello floats after lunch.
[17:50] <bac> benji: wow.  is that really good?
[17:51] <benji> bac: I'm a big fan of Mello Yello, so you may want to judge for yourself.
[17:58] <bac> gary_poster, benji: can you connect to canonical imap server?
[18:00] <gary_poster> bac, no
[18:00] <bac> gary_poster: hey, me neither!
[18:00] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:01] <gary_poster> tha's ok it was mostly spam anyway :-P
[18:01] <bac> we should all just use gmail
[18:01] <gary_poster> heh
[18:14] <benji> gary_poster: (background: I'm trying to figure out why the MP diffs aren't being generated) I seem to recall a way to get up to date logs from the servers that run the cron scripts, but where I'm looking (/srv/launchpad.net-logs/) doesn't seem to be it.
[18:16] <gary_poster> benji, ah, one sec
[18:18] <gary_poster> benji, eek
[18:18] <benji> ??
[18:19] <gary_poster> benji, ok, looks like there are a lot of problems maybe.  Here's one, having to do with apport processing: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/683745/
[18:19] <gary_poster> Note that the answer to your question is "you are looking in the right place, but the cron spam email is often a good place to start:
[18:19] <gary_poster> "
[18:19] <gary_poster> so that's what I'm doing
[18:20] <benji> gary_poster: yep, there is at least one other problem because of the recent rollout, abently is working on one too
[18:21] <benji> gary_poster: "cron spam" == "scripts failed to run"?
[18:21] <gary_poster> benji, https://pastebin.canonical.com/52327/ rosetta-export-queue.py failing on loganberry...
[18:22] <benji> ooh, that looks familiar
[18:22] <gary_poster> Same problem for /rosetta-poimport.py on loganberry
[18:22] <gary_poster> Same problem for process-mail.py on loganberry
[18:23] <gary_poster> Same for process-job-source-groups.py
[18:23] <gary_poster> on loganberry
[18:23] <gary_poster> Same for checkwatches.py on loganberry
[18:23] <gary_poster> and send-person-notifications.py
[18:24] <gary_poster> and process-death-row on germanium and others
[18:24] <gary_poster> so anyway
[18:25] <gary_poster> benji, cron spam == it whines.  often unimportant
[18:25] <gary_poster> there has been a lot today
[18:25] <gary_poster> but I've been busy
[18:25] <gary_poster> with my own system problems and phone calls
[18:25] <gary_poster> so I didn't look closely enough
[18:26] <gary_poster> benji, so it looks like that db name is just bad, but I have no real idea.  Are you on this?  Do you need any assistance, or should I just be on standby?
[18:27] <gary_poster> I'd suspect that the oops error is just hiding this one
[18:27] <benji> gary_poster: at least two of those three are true ;P
[18:27] <gary_poster> heh, ok benji :-)
[18:27] <gary_poster> thx
[18:28] <benji> gary_poster: I'm actively working on it.  If I don't make some good progress soon I'll as for a consult.
[18:28] <gary_poster> cool benji.
[18:40] <benji> gary_poster: how, excatly, do I see those cron errors; I have a lot of "Scripts failed to run: cocoplum:process-death-row
[18:40] <benji> gary_poster: how, excatly, do I see those cron errors; I have a lot of "Scripts failed to run: cocoplum:process-death-row" and the like, but no actual tracebacks.
[18:40] <gary_poster> benji, I get them be being subscribed to a list...getting list...
[18:40] <benji> ah!
[18:41] <benji> I need to subscribe to that.
[18:41] <gary_poster> benji https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-error-reports
[18:41] <benji> thanks
[19:03] <bac> gary_poster: fyi danilo's branch had test failures
[19:04] <bac> i can look later to see if they are easy to clean up
[19:04] <gary_poster> bac, I figured, since we he had tried to land it.  cool, thank you
[19:50] <benji> bac: for https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/169054 did you send the user a "your email has been hijacked" message?
[19:59]  * bac looks
[20:00] <bac> benji: i can not recall
[20:00] <bac> benji: i sent out some last week but don't know if it was to this user or not
[20:01]  * bac relocates then chrs
[20:01] <benji> bac: ok, he sent some more spam so I'll do so and remark as such on the new spam complaint
[20:02] <benji> bac: I'm finishing up https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/170350 so you don't have to do that one
[20:46] <bac> benji: thanks
[20:46]  * bac finishes


[09:00] <Unit193> knome: I did a few basic changes before I forgot
[09:04] <Unit193> This page doesn't seem to be needed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Feisty and none of the pre-versions change much
[14:03] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:03] <madnick> morning :)
[14:19] <mr_pouit> hello
[14:20] <charlie-tca> How is everything today, sir?
[14:20] <mr_pouit> oh, fine, and you?
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Appears to be a wonderful day
[14:21] <mr_pouit> madnick: I'll be able to use your lightdm greeter theme "soon" (when/if Bug #845549 is fixed)
[14:21] <mr_pouit> (it won't use your custom glade file though)
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Does soon mean we make it into oneiric?
[14:22]  * charlie-tca will push to get the bug fixed, hard.
[14:22] <mr_pouit> if it makes it into oneiric, we should be able to set (wallpaper + gtk theme + font name and size) in the greeter
[14:23] <charlie-tca> Then it will make it into oneiric. I will go find the right people to push the bug.
[14:23] <mr_pouit> it won't use custom icons nor the slightly changed loginbox from madnick, but at least the greeter will have our look and feel :p
[14:24] <charlie-tca> That would be great! madnick put a lot of effort into making that happen, so if we can use it, we should.
[14:25] <mr_pouit> and for oneiric+1, I'm sure madnick will code from scratch a beautiful lightdm-xubuntu-greeter ;D
[14:25]  * mr_pouit hides
[14:26] <charlie-tca> madnick said we will have a really beautiful greeter for LTS, as I recall.
[14:26]  * charlie-tca has a faulty memory sometimes, too
[14:34] <madnick> yes
[14:49] <charlie-tca> yes, I have a faulty memory?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> yes, I have followed the above discussion?
[14:49] <madnick> No :D I meant, Ill make an awesome one for O+1
[14:49] <madnick> :P
[14:49] <charlie-tca> oh! :)
[14:50] <madnick> hehe, I've not followed much of what has happened the last week, Ive not been home
[14:50] <madnick> But I did read most of it :)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I always figure if it is important, it gets repeated
[14:51] <madnick> haha true
[21:00] <Pjotr> The upstream Xfce developers are probably willing to do some new releases, in order to get new translations into the distro's. Wat is the deadline for new Xfce releases for Xubuntu 11.10?
[21:00] <micahg> well, bug fix, translation would be final freeze for anything on the CD
[21:00] <micahg> sept 29th
[21:01] <micahg> not on any images, ~oct 9th or so
[21:02] <Pjotr> Sounds good. :-)
[21:04] <Pjotr> On his request, I've presented a list of 10 packages to an upstream Xfce developer, of which I think updated Dutch translations are most critical. Now he's asked me to contact other translators as well, and ask them if they have similar requests to make.
[21:05] <micahg> cool, well, beta 2 freeze if sept 15th
[21:05] <micahg> * is
[21:06] <Pjotr> I have one concern: I hope that contacting the other translators, won't slow down things too much.... :P
[21:07] <micahg> Pjotr: well, good luck
[21:07] <micahg> feel free to join our community meeting on sunday, time in /topic
[21:09] <Pjotr> micahg: thanks. I'll see if I can attend the meeting. :-)


[09:58] <Guest73708> I have configured custom repo for my MAAS cluster, and want to import custom kernel into the MAAS custom repo.  Does someone know of tools through which image can be imported?  Does it need GPG signing? Any steps on how it needs to be configured?
[09:58] <Guest73708> posting it again, since I didn't get any response earlier
[09:59] <Guest73708> just checking if some folks are still active
[11:06] <mup> Bug #1716894 opened: When trying to enable DHCP on a vlan with unmanaged subnets the message is confusing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716894>
[12:22] <roaksoax> Guest73708: custom kernels are not supported in MAAS, so dunno whether it would work well for you. But typucally, if you point to a image mirror, then you dont need new gpgp syncing
[12:22] <roaksoax> Guest73708: you could try pointing to the index.json, but obviously your images wont be verified
[12:28] <Guest73708> #roaksoax: well, I am not sure what you mean by pointing to index.json file?
[12:28] <Guest73708> using simplestreams I created a mirror image
[12:29] <Guest73708> and now want to add my image into the local mirror repo
[12:29] <Guest73708> I thought that was the use of custom repo, otherwise, I don't see any significant use of a custom repo
[12:30] <Guest73708> just having local copy is fine, but real value addition would be if we can add custom images as well
[12:30] <Guest73708> I can try signing my images as well if required
[12:38] <roaksoax> Guest73708: the streams will have a index.json, which is not signed, which you could point maas at
[12:39] <roaksoax> Guest73708: the local mirror of images is to deal with offline environments where maas doesn't have access to the internet
[12:41] <roaksoax> Guest73708: that said, you upload your own custom images to maas though
[12:43] <Guest73708> through?
[12:48] <roaksoax> Guest73708: maas admin boot-resources name=custom/your-ubuntu arch=amd64 content@=/your/custom/image filetype=tgz
[12:48] <roaksoax> Guest73708: for example
[13:18] <Guest73708> roaksoax: that is importing complete image. Probably I do not want to go that route.
[15:55] <jamesbenson> morning all :-)
[16:40] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: morning!
[16:46] <jamesbenson> morning, it looks like deployment still fails with GPT on drives still greater than 2TB
[16:47] <jamesbenson> I'm trying on a different R710 to verify, but looks like it gives me the same errors
[16:48] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: ^
[17:00] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: it seems that we'll hav eto investigate
[17:00] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: do you have a installation log to see the failure ?
[17:01] <jamesbenson> I can pull them, where are they?
[17:06] <jamesbenson> I'm hoping it isn't this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1284196
[17:47] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: you can grab the UI , on the machine details page there should be "Installation log" or something
[17:47] <roaksoax> along the lines
[17:47] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: you usnig 2.2.2 right ?
[18:15] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: yes I am.  https://pastebin.com/4YdiSBmF
[18:18] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: also my "trick" of manually creating the 3 partitions, didn't work.  Still facing a "attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0' Entering rescue mode..." error
[19:03] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: thoughts?
[19:05] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: strange, your pastebin shows as it deployed correctly
[19:05] <roaksoax> but on reboot, grub didn't boot onto the disk ?
[19:13] <jamesbenson> nope, I get the error mentioned above.
[19:14] <jamesbenson> This is on all of my machines over 2TB
[19:22] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: right, when does that error happen ?
[19:23] <jamesbenson> after installation is complete and it reboots
[19:23] <jamesbenson> upon reboot it goes straight into that
[19:23] <jamesbenson> did you want me to record again?
[19:23] <jamesbenson> I can show you the whole process if you want
[19:25] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: ok, this is legacy mode right ?
[19:25] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: i mean, machines are booting in legacy, not EFI
[19:25] <jamesbenson> yes, bios, not uefi
[19:26] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: ok, so, how many disks do you hav ein that machine ?
[19:26] <jamesbenson> I have 6 disks but they go through our perc6/i raid controller
[19:27] <jamesbenson> as raid 6, so maas only see's 1 HD
[19:27] <jamesbenson> each drive is 2tb
[19:27] <jamesbenson> individually
[19:29] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: ^^
[19:35] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: and, is the bios boot order configured in a way that it would boot off a single specific disk ?
[19:35] <jamesbenson> no, boots only from pxe
[19:35] <jamesbenson> pxe controls if it goes to disk or not
[19:43] <jamesbenson> want me to try with uefi?
[19:47] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: ^^
[19:53] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: attempting with uefi....
[19:56] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: right, but after maas installation, the machine reboots, it will pxe, and it will be told to localboot, and it could be attempting to localboot from a different disk from where the OS has been installed
[19:56] <jamesbenson> I don't think so, maas and raid both tell it there is only 1 disk
[19:57] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: I've manually installed ubuntu before and it also only detects 1 disk in this situation
[19:58] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: yup, that's what i would have expected as well
[19:58] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: so in that regard all information is consistent.
[20:03] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: did it work with efi ?
[20:04] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: just finishing now
[20:08] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: failed.  https://pastebin.com/6SkfYmFj
[20:11] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: please file a bug against both 'maas' & 'curtin', attach the installation log
[20:11] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: and the output of: maas <user> machine get-curtin-config <system-id>
[20:11] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: also, there's recetnly been a grub upgrade that could or may be the culprit of this
[20:12] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: Summary: bios/efi maas deployment failure with drives over 2TB?
[20:16] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: yup
[20:21] <jamesbenson> roaksoax : How do I put this bug against both maas and curtin?
[20:21] <jamesbenson> tags?
[20:30] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: just file it against MAAS< I'll deal with adding curtin to it
[20:30] <roaksoax> :)
[20:31] <jamesbenson> lol okay, sorry
[20:33] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: there's some button there that says "add project"
[20:33] <roaksoax> actually
[20:33] <roaksoax> "also affects projecT"
[20:33] <jamesbenson> having issue finding the system-id of this machine...
[20:33] <jamesbenson> it doesn't like the name I gave it.
[20:34] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: it should be in the URL
[20:34] <jamesbenson> gotcha
[20:34] <jamesbenson> thanks
[20:36] <jamesbenson> should I modify the token & token_secret?
[20:37] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: nah, those get automatically generated so I dont think you would, but go ahead jus in case :)
[20:43] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin/+bug/1717031
[20:51] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: thanks!
[20:51] <mup> Bug #1717031 opened: bios/efi maas deployment failure with drives over 2TB <curtin:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717031>
[20:52] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: my pleasure!  I hope this can get fixed quickly.  I'm going to have to roll back until we can actually deploy.  :-(
[20:53] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: it doesn't work even with your paritioning ?
[20:53] <roaksoax> i wonder if this is a grub issue
[20:54] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: no it doesn't
[20:57] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: again worked under 2.1.5 though
[20:57] <jamesbenson> with my partitioning and bios
[21:12] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: same verion of image s?
[21:12] <jamesbenson> yes


[01:03] <phillw> tsimonq2: so, you can confirm that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/1467517 is solved for the test via alternate install?
[01:23] <tsimonq2> yes, that's what I meant by commenting there
[06:12] <dkessel> morning! so, are you people planning to switch to lxqt as a default at the start of the next cycle? or only maybe later, once the image looks/feels ok?
[11:23] <phillw> dkessel: lxqt will run as a community spin, only when the head of lubuntu dev is happy, will he propose the the Tech Board of Ubuntu that we switch from GTK to QT. There is a hell of a lot work going on behind the scenes to have Qt stuff passed and gotten into the various repos that it needs to be in. Some functionality is still being worked upon, so at moment best guess is 16.10 will have a Qt version available.
[11:34] <phillw> tsimonq2: one for you go and chase....  Ubuntu KylinOverview Code Bugs Blueprints Translations AnswersRecord as affecting another projectBug #1530323 Record as affecting another projectA bug may need fixing in more than one project. You may add another project for this bug here.(?)Bug #1530323: The input box for editing a Wired connection static IP address doesn't appear correctlyThere is 1 error.Project: (Choose…)A fix for this
[11:34] <phillw> tsimonq2: "A fix for this bug has already been requested for Lubuntu default settings" go get your teeth into it :D
[11:53] <tsimonq2> phillw: wait wait wait wait...read your paste...what exactly am I doing? :P
[11:54] <phillw> tsimonq2: confirm that the bug has been squished, or is still there. Kylin say it is fixed.
[11:54] <tsimonq2> phillw: I commented on the bug yesterday with TWO screenshots...
[11:57] <phillw> tsimonq2: I saw, I am subscribed to the bug!!! Every bug I put on the release notes, I subscribe to so that when making the next set of notes I have a reference point of what to chase up. In this case, you do need to chat with bug-team on the devel area, as it is going to be a royal PITA if it is still there for 16.04 LTS.
[11:58] <tsimonq2> alright
[12:00] <tsimonq2> 07:00:19 AM < tsimonq2> Greetings, regarding bug 1530323, I don't know what to do next, and it's affecting Lubuntu, could somebody please take a look at
[12:00] <tsimonq2>                         this bug report and my comments and judge whether it's fixed yet or not? I can't really tell...
[12:00] <tsimonq2> 07:00:20 AM < ubottu> bug 1530323 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "The input box for editing a Wired connection static IP address doesn't appear
[12:01] <tsimonq2>                       correctly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1530323
[12:01] <tsimonq2> phillw: that ^
[12:02] <phillw> tsimonq2: quite possibly, this is where bugs should reference similar bugs... there is only so much the bug bot can do to mark duplications
[12:03] <tsimonq2> yeah
[12:03] <phillw> regardless of that... it is a hot bug, and deserves some attention...
[12:04] <tsimonq2> yes I know, nobody has picked it up yet :)
[17:03] <wxl> what about xscreensaver?
[17:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: grumpy maintianers, warning message will be present soon
[17:26] <tsimonq2> a really ugly one
[17:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: hm?
[17:28] <tsimonq2> 12:03:34 PM < wxl> what about xscreensaver?
[17:28] <tsimonq2> that ^
[17:29] <wxl> tsimonq2: elaboration may help me to understand. as it stands, i'm not really worried about grumpy maintainers or a warning emssage, however ugly it may be.
[17:29] <tsimonq2> k, looking up the bug :)
[17:30] <teward> I doubt it's going away here in Xenial at this point in the cycle, no?
[17:30] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703
[17:30] <tsimonq2> no, but halfway through, I hear
[17:30] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[17:31] <teward> "in the cycle" as in Xenial ;)
[17:31] <wxl> wow, that sounds totally ignorable
[17:31] <teward> we're still in Xenial cycle
[17:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: but it's not, it gets dramatic
[17:31] <tsimonq2> people get pissed off
[17:31] <wxl> that's their problem XD
[17:31] <tsimonq2> but it affects downstream
[17:32] <tsimonq2> sooooooo
[17:32] <tsimonq2> unless we package it in Ubuntu, we are screwed
[17:32] <wxl> how are we screwed?
[17:32] <tsimonq2> because don't we use xscreensaver?
[17:32] <teward> we're not
[17:32] <tsimonq2> and if we don't package it...
[17:32] <teward> tsimonq2: even if it's removed in Debian, I don't think we autosync removals?
[17:33] <teward> unless something is horribly horribly wrong with the autosyncer
[17:33] <tsimonq2> no, but it goes unmaintained
[17:33] <tsimonq2> unless somebody notices it
[17:33] <teward> can we push your worries into the next devel cycle, perhaps?  At this point in the Xenial cycle it's not helpful to worry about this
[17:33] <teward> there's things that need more attention
[17:34] <wxl> i assume there's no maintainers in ubuntu?
[17:34] <tsimonq2> I understand, but it's a potential security risk if xscreensaver stops being maintained
[17:34] <tsimonq2> uhh I don't think so...
[17:34] <wxl> then you'll need to find some people
[17:34] <wxl> otherwise, there's little that can be done
[17:34] <wxl> good luck :)
[17:34] <tsimonq2> hey, that's MY job? XD
[17:34] <teward> but, lets move that to the next devel cycle
[17:34] <tsimonq2> ^
[17:34] <tsimonq2> probably a good idea
[17:34] <wxl> it's not your job
[17:34] <teward> and focus on getting Xenial completed
[17:34] <tsimonq2> yeah
[17:35] <wxl> but if you care, find the right people to help with it
[17:35] <teward> ^
[17:35] <teward> (that's what happened with the nginx package in server.  and lookit now, it's in main AND maintained regularly throughout development cycles)
[17:35] <tsimonq2> but keep it in mind, it might bite the whole Ubuntu community if nobody gives a shite until it's too late...
[17:35] <wxl> it won't really bite anyone
[17:35] <wxl> nibble at worst
[17:35] <teward> tsimonq2: you and I need to have a talk about 'unnecessary worrying'
[17:35] <wxl> dramatic developers are nothing new
[17:35] <teward> ^
[17:36] <wxl> i'm not about to enable their ridiculousness
[17:36] <tsimonq2>  \o/ alright then
[17:36] <tsimonq2> let's drop it
[17:36] <tsimonq2> so
[17:36] <tsimonq2> I confirmed some bugs yesterday
[17:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: you take a look?
[17:36] <wxl> i did
[17:37] <tsimonq2> except for the whole GTK wired connection editing stuff, which I am waiting to hear back on, I think we are good
[17:37] <tsimonq2> agreed?
[17:37] <wxl> haven't looked that deeply but it looks like you did a lot of heavy lifting
[17:37] <tsimonq2> yeah I confirmed all of them
[17:38] <tsimonq2> made sure they were still presnet
[17:38] <tsimonq2> *present
[17:38] <tsimonq2> well, as much as I could...
[17:38] <tsimonq2> I couldn't confirm stuff like the encryption bugs
[17:38] <wxl> is it me or is pcre the most unsecure piece of software ever?
[17:38] <tsimonq2> (box for it, nothing huge)
[17:38] <teward> wxl: grammarnazi says s/unsecure/insecure/
[17:38] <tsimonq2> !info pcre xenial
[17:38] <tsimonq2> LOL
[17:38] <wxl> siiiiigh
[17:38] <teward> :P
[17:39] <tsimonq2> ^
[17:39]  * tsimonq2 kicks ubot93
[17:39] <tsimonq2> anyways
[17:39] <teward> wxl: actually had another question, do you have a link to the Rpi images?  I think there's something breaking in MATE, and I want to make sure the RPi images for Lubuntu don't suffer the same fate
[17:40] <wxl> teward: ubuntu-pi-maker.org ?
[17:40] <wxl> is that the right url?
[17:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll try to confirm the ones I didn't yesterday when i get home from school, then I can slap it on a wiki page somewhere
[17:40] <tsimonq2> s/ i / I /
[17:40] <teward> close enough
[17:40] <teward> lol DNS Fail
[17:40] <wxl> !info libpcre3
[17:41] <tsimonq2> OH perl :/
[17:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: you want me to confirm any more bugs while I'm at it?
[17:42] <wxl> not that i can think of off ahnd
[17:42] <teward> urgh torrent-only downloads >.>
[17:42] <wxl> i think phillw hosts them
[17:44] <tsimonq2> let me check
[17:44] <tsimonq2> nope...
[17:45] <phillw> wxl:  tsimonq2 phillw hosts what?
[17:45] <wxl> phillw: pi iamges
[17:46] <tsimonq2> but you don't, right?
[17:46] <teward> wxl: he has a copy i'm wgetting now
[17:46] <teward> tsimonq2: ^
[17:46] <phillw> wxl: flexiondotorg has direct access to the server. That is his department :)
[17:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: tonight I will revise w.u.c/Lubuntu/LXQt and whip up a blog post answering common questions, are you okay with that?
[17:47] <tsimonq2> or do you not want me to do that?
[17:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: sure
[17:47] <tsimonq2> alright, you need me to run it by you first or should I just release?
[17:48] <phillw> he does sftp / scp to the landing area and it is immeadiately available in my iso mirror area :) ... one less task for me :D
[17:48] <tsimonq2> and will the Lubuntu blog reblog it?
[17:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^
[17:49] <phillw> wxl: did you get the letter for bank stuff yet?
[17:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll run through installation tests for Lubuntu tonight, do you need anything else from me? Any extremely trivial bug to fix? Any specific configuration or anything to test?
[17:55] <tsimonq2> well I'm off, let me know :)
[18:03] <phillw> wxl: permission to ping?
[18:12] <phillw> wxl: wow, he's done it again .... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1549529


[00:00] <micahg> !away > jasono
[00:00]  * jasono is back (gone 00:07:59)
[00:01] <jasono> sorry
[00:01] <jasono> won't use it again
[03:28] <paultag> hey Launchpad, I've been asked by a Debian Developer buddy of mine to forward you guys a copy of some copyright issues that a user is causing via his PPA
[03:28] <paultag> https://launchpad.net/~ivan1986/+archive/dropbox
[03:28] <paultag> related to:
[03:28] <paultag> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/141763
[03:28] <paultag> from Debian bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610257
[03:29] <paultag> Looks to be a LP bug #703896
[03:29] <paultag> It was removed from Debian main, and the ex-maintainer uploaded code he knew was tainted to the PPA build system
[07:12] <fta2> is bazaar lp broken?
[07:12] <fta2> Corrupted MAC on input.
[07:12] <fta2> Disconnecting: Packet corrupt
[07:12] <fta2> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[07:13] <spm> fta2: what were you doing? pull/push?
[07:13] <fta2> pull
[07:14] <fta2> a retry worked
[07:14] <spm> if you see again, can you let us know? we've done some edge changes that *may* cause funkies.
[07:14] <fta2> sure
[07:14] <spm> ta
[08:28] <kazade> Hey guys, yesterday evening I created my first recipe, but I couldn't find the "Create Recipe" link on the main site so I went to edge.launchpad.net and did it, this morning I went to create another - but there is still no link on the main site but edge.launchpad.net redirects to the main site... how can I create a recipe?
[08:47] <ripps> what time do launchpad recipe daily builds start?
[09:20] <Laney> there's spam on #196724
[13:33] <shadeslayer> hi, one of my friends seem to be getting : Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found : whereas i can update the same repo file
[13:33] <shadeslayer> *fine
[13:33] <shadeslayer> however the link itself seems to be a 404
[13:37] <shadeslayer> nvm
[13:39] <jtv> shadeslayer: we're all at a meeting this week at UTC-6.  You'll probably have more luck in an hour or two.
[13:39] <shadeslayer> jtv: figured it out :)
[13:40] <jtv> ah good :)
[13:40] <shadeslayer> jtv: is LP switching to C++ after this meeting?
[13:40]  * shadeslayer crosses his fingers
[13:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:40] <jtv> shadeslayer: err…
[13:40] <jtv> possibly not just yet.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> jtv: ohk .... thanks for daily builds tho :)
[13:41] <jtv> but we're all converted to scientology now and very interested in getting time-share condos!
[13:41] <shadeslayer> to the whole LP and Bazaar teams
[13:41] <jtv> or no maybe that was the other meeting.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:35]  * mgedmin looks at the topic
[14:47] <gour> does it make sense to sign 'code of conduct' if one does not use ubuntu?
[15:09]  * jasono is away: The Cape
[15:28] <shadeslayer> anyone around? or is everyone at the meeting? :P
[16:52] <cjwatson> Hi.  I'm getting a mystifying error when I try to set the branch for the development focus of a project via the API: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555463/
[16:52] <cjwatson> Is this a known bug (I couldn't find it), or a bug I should report, or is there something obvious I'm doing wrong?
[16:52] <thumper> cjwatson: the LP team is in one room and listening to poolie right now
[16:52] <thumper> we'll get back to you shortly
[16:52] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[16:53] <cjwatson> the client code is http://paste.ubuntu.com/555464/, although I suspect the only other interesting bit is the initialisation of new_branch
[17:05] <thumper> cjwatson: can you do a breakpoint after getting the focus, and we'll see if it is getting it properly?
[17:05] <thumper> cjwatson: we aren't quite sure what is going on here
[17:05] <thumper> cjwatson: your code looks fine to me
[17:08] <cjwatson> (Pdb) p focus
[17:08] <cjwatson> <project_series at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/elilo-installer/trunk>
[17:10] <thumper> hmm..
[17:10] <thumper> and the branch is valid too?
[17:10] <thumper> leonardr: <cjwatson> the client code is http://paste.ubuntu.com/555464/, although I suspect the only other interesting bit is the initialisation of new_branch
[17:10] <cjwatson> (Pdb) p new_branch
[17:10] <cjwatson> <branch at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~ubuntu-installer/elilo-installer/master>
[17:11] <cjwatson> and https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/elilo-installer/master exists
[17:11] <cjwatson> I *can* go round and do all of this by hand in the UI, and that's worked fine for other projects; I was just hoping not to
[17:11] <thumper> cjwatson: what do you get if you go p new_branch.name
[17:11] <cjwatson> u'master'
[17:11] <thumper> ok...
[17:12] <thumper> what about p focus.name
[17:12] <cjwatson> u'trunk'
[17:12] <leonardr> cjwatson: hi
[17:12] <cjwatson> hello, thanks for looking at this
[17:12] <leonardr> i'll stop asking thumper to ask you things and ask you myself
[17:12] <cjwatson> :-)
[17:12] <leonardr> try this
[17:13] <leonardr> p self.lp_has_parameter('branch')
[17:13] <leonardr> sorry
[17:13] <cjwatson> s/self/focus/?
[17:13] <leonardr> yeah, exactly
[17:13] <cjwatson> True
[17:13] <cjwatson> (this is on up-to-date natty as of earlier today, BTW)
[17:13] <leonardr> so the question is which object this is happening to
[17:14] <leonardr> what is 'self' here? i thought it was focus
[17:14] <leonardr> can you put a breakpoint on line 677 of resource.py?
[17:14] <leonardr> let's see what 'self' is?
[17:15] <cjwatson> -> if not self.lp_has_parameter(name):
[17:15] <cjwatson> (Pdb) p self
[17:15] <cjwatson> <project_series at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/elilo-installer/trunk>
[17:15] <cjwatson> which is focus.  odd
[17:16] <leonardr> what is 'name'? 'branch'?
[17:16] <cjwatson> and if I run 'p self.lp_has_parameter(name)' there in the debugger, it returns True
[17:16] <cjwatson> yes
[17:16] <thumper> and branch?
[17:17] <cjwatson> wait, stepping past this in the debugger appears to work fine, what's going on
[17:17] <leonardr> cjwatson: did it fail consistently before?
[17:17] <leonardr> see if it still fails if you take out the breakpoint
[17:18] <cjwatson> as far as I can tell ... but restarting from scratch, breaking at line 160 of my script, and 'n'ing past, it fails
[17:19] <leonardr> cjwatson: well, here's what the error was saying, so you're not mystified
[17:19] <gour> does signing code of conduct influence one's karma at LP?
[17:19] <leonardr> there's a json document that describes the 'focus' object
[17:19] <cjwatson> OK, calling self.lp_has_parameter(name) fails the first time, but succeeds the second time, AFAICT
[17:20] <cjwatson> oh, no - it succeeds only after I do 'p self'
[17:20] <leonardr> when you call focus = project.development_focus it's supposed to grab that document and associate it with the object
[17:20] <leonardr> but for some reason it's not
[17:20] <cjwatson> so:  b lazr/restfulclient/resource:677; c; p self.lp_has_parameter(name); p self.lp_has_parameter(name) -> fails
[17:20] <leonardr> ok, put this before Launchpad.login_with
[17:20] <cjwatson> but: b lazr/restfulclient/resource:677; c; p self.lp_has_parameter(name); p self; p self.lp_has_parameter(name) -> succeeds
[17:20] <leonardr> import httplib2
[17:20] <leonardr> httplib2.debug_level = 1
[17:20] <leonardr> paste the result
[17:21] <leonardr> that will tell us what requests it's making
[17:21] <thumper> gour: no
[17:21] <cjwatson> that's not producing any extra output
[17:21] <gour> thumper: ta
[17:23] <leonardr> cjwatson: sorry, i think it's debuglevel
[17:23] <leonardr> yes
[17:24]  * leonardr needs to go for a bit but will be back
[17:24] <cjwatson> leonardr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555478/
[18:10] <cjwatson> leonardr: this sounds awfully like bug 662740, except for getting attributes.  Do I have the wrong end of the stick?
[18:10] <cjwatson> s/, except for getting attributes// (brainfart)
[18:11] <leonardr> cjwatson: checking, it's possible
[18:11] <leonardr> would you add 'print focus' to your code and send me the http dump?
[18:11] <leonardr> i notice that the object was not in fact retrieved
[18:12] <leonardr> cjwatson: yes, that's exactly the problem. this bug was not fixed
[18:12] <leonardr> cjwatson: the workaround is to assign focus.name or something to a variable before trying to use focus
[18:12] <cjwatson> definitely working now, though I ctrl-ced it since I want to run most of this with debugging off.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/555496/
[18:13] <leonardr> ok, great
[18:13] <cjwatson> thanks; I think this has still been a net time-saver :)
[18:14] <leonardr> cjwatson: mention in the bug that you ran into the problem and maybe we can bump up the priority
[18:16] <cjwatson> mentioned, thanks - though I have an easy workaround now so it's not critical from my POV
[18:16] <cjwatson> until the next time I forget about it and run into it again of course ;-)
[18:17]  * cjwatson returns to the rebase-foreign from hell
[18:22] <leonardr> thumper: src/lazr/restful/_resource.py line 825
[19:38] <paultag> hey Launchpad, I've been asked by a Debian Developer buddy of mine to forward you guys a copy of some copyright issues that a user is causing via his PPA
[19:38] <paultag> https://launchpad.net/~ivan1986/+archive/dropbox
[19:38] <paultag> related to:
[19:38] <paultag> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/141763
[19:39] <paultag> there's an LP and Debian bug that are related
[19:56] <paultag> wgrant: are you around, perchance?
[20:12] <wgrant> paultag: Hi. I'll poke people about that copyright issue.
[20:12] <wgrant> paultag: We're all sprinting this week, so there are a few distractions.
[20:13] <paultag> wgrant: great. thanks so much!
[20:50] <pabelanger> Afternoon, I'm having problem with bzr syntax copying ' lp:ubuntu/lucid-proposed/asterisk' into 'lp:~pabelanger/ubuntu/lucid-proposed/asterisk'. Any pointers?
[20:51] <maxb> pabelanger: "copying" ?
[20:52] <glen> anyone can point me quick howto/doc to markup used in bug tracker to refer to bzr commits?
[20:52] <maxb> Most likely your problem is that it needs to be lp:~pabelanger/ubuntu/lucid-proposed/asterisk/some-name-goes-here
[20:52] <maxb> glen: I'm not aware of any such markup
[20:53] <glen> maxb: you can't refer to commit @999 ? sad. somewhat bug #777 works in  bzr commits otoh
[20:55] <maxb> glen: bzr commits can have specific metadata attached to them with "bzr commit --fixes ...."
[20:55] <maxb> Launchpad bugs can have linkage to particular branches stored
[20:55] <glen> ah, indeed, i should used --fixes prior pushing (at the commit time)
[20:56] <maxb> You can of course write something like "lp:bzr r12345" in text in a bug, but it does not get turned into an automatic link to the revnum
[20:56] <timH> is there a current PDF for packaging how to/basics?
[20:57] <timH> as well as setting up a PPA, that kind of thing?
[20:57] <maxb> This isn't really a big problem usually, because usually you're discussing which branch contains a fix, and revnums are mostly unimportant
[20:57] <timH> i found some real old ones with the Google
[20:57] <pabelanger> maxb: Ya, sorry.  I'm coming from a subversion background so my bzr skills a little week.  I guess 'bzr branch' is the command I want, but I was trying to figure out how to create the branch remotly on launch pad, rather then creating the branch locally, to turn around an push it back into launchpad.
[20:58] <maxb> timH: All current documentation I'm aware of is on wikis. Are you specifically seeking a PDF?
[20:59] <timH> maxb: yes
[20:59] <maxb> pabelanger: Ah, some sites (github?) have such a thing. Launchpad operates on the basis that there is absolutely no need for you do preparation in a web form, so why not just branch, hack, push
[20:59] <maxb> timH: I fear you will be disappointed then, sorry.
[20:59] <timH> maxb: i have some train time coming up and will have limited/no connectivity, perfect time to get started with packaging basics...
[20:59] <timH> oy
[21:00] <maxb> pabelanger: A key point is that Launchpad will automatically "stack" new branches on the development focus branch for the project. This means you only spend network bandwidth pushing up the new revisions not already in the project's trunk
[21:02] <pabelanger> maxb: Okay, thanks.  Looks like I have some reading to do.
[21:02] <maxb> timH: In my experience, "I want to learn packaging" is the wrong approach, because the subject is so vast and broad. A better approach is usually "I want to learn what I need to know to accomplish <specific packaging task>".
[21:02] <maxb> timH: Unfortunately that means that you usually end up researching the topic as you work, so doing it disconnected isn't great
[21:03] <timH> maxb: right.. i mean ultimately I just want to be able to release via a PPA
[21:03] <maxb> pabelanger: #bzr is a great resource for assistance getting to grips with bzr
[21:03] <pabelanger> danke
[21:04] <maxb> timH: Right... in which case, you should probably focus exclusively on getting a working package built on your own computer before even considering the PPA aspect.
[21:04] <timH> maxb: so then isn't that learning how to make packages?
[21:05] <maxb> Sure, but worry about the packaging first and the PPA setup after
[21:06] <timH> maxb: that was the first thing I asked about...
[21:06] <maxb> Try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete (long!)
[21:07] <timH> thanks, I can easily enough print that to a PDF.. i tried Render to Docbook earlier hoping somehow that would give me something I could convert to PDF but it appears to be broken
[21:08] <maxb> You'll probably want to pre-read it and download lots of stuff it mentions
[21:10] <timH> hmm, perhaps I just need to get better coverage
[21:12] <timH> ok, well thanks anyway
[21:32] <maxb> Is there a LOSA around?
[21:33] <maxb> gah, never mind, question I was looking at has already been answered
[21:41] <jonrafkind> what is supposed to go into the DEBIAN directory when using dpkg-deb ?
[21:41] <jonrafkind> i tried doing a make install there but when I install the .deb I get some error about 'usr'
[21:42] <maxb> If you ever need to actually *think* about the DEBIAN directory (rather than the debian directory) it's usually a sign you're using tools much lower level than you need to
[21:45] <jonrafkind> thats true, i started using dh-make but it was broken so i started implementing debian/rules by hand
[21:45] <jonrafkind> its not really very hard, i got all the rest of the rules set up, i just need to figure out DEBIAN
[21:46] <kirkland> has there been a recent increase in the space between lines in loggerhead?
[21:47] <kirkland> there seems to be an excessive amount of whitespace here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ssh-import-id/ssh-import-id/trunk/view/head:/ssh-import-id
[21:50] <maxb> jonrafkind: For any kind of non-trivial package I would highly recommend using at least debhelper rather than direct dpkg-* building commands
[21:51] <jonrafkind> so dh-make uses debhelper?
[21:51] <maxb> dh-make is a program to lay down an initial slightly customized template for packaging
[21:51] <maxb> The templates that are constructed generally use debhelper
[21:52] <jonrafkind> is debhelper the 'dh' program?
[21:52] <maxb> Although I think dh-make has a cdbs option too (though cdbs itself uses debhelper)
[21:52] <jonrafkind> on my system its slightly broken, it doesnt handle the override_ stuff
[21:52] <maxb> The dh program is one part of debhelper
[21:52] <jonrafkind> i guess i could just invoke the dh_auto things myself
[21:52] <jonrafkind> yea ill probably do that
[21:53] <maxb> The dh program is a new style of usage introduced with debhelper 7. Before debhelper 7, everyone invoked the dh_foo commands explicitly
[21:53] <maxb> If your local debhelper has dh but doesn't understand override, that suggests you are using debhelper 7, but less than 7.0.50
[21:53] <maxb> which suggests you are using hardy
[21:53] <maxb> which suggests you should upgrade!
[21:53] <jonrafkind> im on jaunty I think
[21:53] <maxb> :-)
[21:53] <jonrafkind> 9.04
[21:54] <maxb> jonrafkind: jaunty is months beyond end-of-life, you know?
[21:54] <jonrafkind> yea the package manager tells me like every day :p
[21:54] <jonrafkind> i would upgrade if ubuntu had a chance of not destroying my machine.. but sadly thats extermely unlikely
[21:54] <maxb> And yes, the debhelper there is too old to support override_
[21:55] <StevenK> jonrafkind: What's special about your machine that you can't upgrade?
[21:56] <jonrafkind> no idea, but ubuntu has destroyed 3 of my machines while trying to upgrade, so now i dont do it anymore
[21:56] <StevenK> Then you should file bugs :-)
[21:57] <jonrafkind> yea.. nice bug. "upgrading destroyed my machine" -- ok now what
[21:57] <StevenK> Er. With more information about what happened, and so on. I mean for future reference.
[21:58] <maxb> jonrafkind: The point being, you're already running ancient unsupported software. If you want meaningful interaction with the rest of the Ubuntu community, upgrading isn't really optional at this point#
[21:59] <jonrafkind> whatever
[22:20] <maxb> Oh, go faster, karkalla
[22:20] <maxb> actually it's coming up on 6x as long as the same build on other series
[22:21] <maxb> Anyone around who can abort a stuck build for me?
[22:39] <bigjools> maxb: which build?
[22:40] <maxb> bigjools: huh *now* it's unstuck itself
[22:40] <maxb> thanks though :-)
[22:40] <bigjools> heh, magic
[22:40] <bigjools> ftr, if it's a virtual builder a losa can do it
[22:41] <maxb> Build killed with signal 15 after 150 minutes of inactivity
[22:41] <maxb> lovely
[22:41] <maxb> So either the bzr testsuite takes 6x as long on hardy as jaunty-natty, or that builder is a dud
[22:41] <poolie> the first is unlikely
[22:42] <poolie> though, it's possible it would happen if there were no compiled extensions
[22:42] <poolie> but still unlikely to hit 150m except on a very slow machine
[22:43] <kazade> Hi guys, I don't suppose someone can tell me how to find the Create Recipe link on LP? I found it last night but now I can't find it anywhere!
[22:43] <maxb> Requeued, hopefully it'll hit a different builder last time - Starts in 29 minutes - any buildd admin willing to bump it up the queue? https://launchpad.net/~bzr-beta-ppa/+archive/ppa/+build/2159873
[22:44] <maxb> kazade: Are you a member of ~launchpad-recipe-beta ?
[22:44] <kazade> erm.. no
[22:44] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-recipe-beta/+join
[22:45] <wgrant> kazade: You've been using edge.launchpad.net?
[22:45] <kazade> wgrant, yes
[22:45] <kazade> thanks maxb
[22:45] <wgrant> kazade: That's deprecated, and was removed a day or so ago. Access to beta features is now gained by joining the relevant team.
[22:46] <kazade> ok cool that explains it, thanks wgrant
[22:46] <lifeless> maxb: we generally add folk to the master beta team only
[22:48] <maxb> Oh, I didn't realize ~launchpad-beta-testers was a member of ~launchpad-recipe-beta. That wasn't mentioned in the initial emails I saw when ~launchpad-recipe-beta was initially created and mentioned
[23:45] <lifeless> maxb: no worries