[12:00] <d0gmaz> yeah :P
[12:00] <Taurendil> I upgraded to 1.0 though
[12:00] <d0gmaz> its version0.9.3
[12:00] <Zimpee> you don't help me again. how support channel is that?
[12:00] <Nefarous> speaking of, is it avaiable as a package (firefox 1.0?)
[12:01] <t17mh> d0gmaz: I don't know if this is what makes firefox behave right, but there's a gnome setting to use emacs-like keybindings which makes C-a and C-e work in Entry and TextBox widgets everywhere in Gnome.
[12:01] <Nefarous> srx33: let me look at my logs
[12:01] <srx33> Nefarous: ok
[12:01] <Taurendil> don't think so, I broke the .9.3 and had to do something
[12:01] <tuxx> Hiya kapputu
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: patience
[12:01] <Taurendil> got it from the firefox website
[12:01] <d0gmaz> t17mh, you know how?
[12:02] <d0gmaz> worth a try
[12:02] <Taurendil> I kept having profile issues
[12:02] <t17mh> d0gmaz: I'm looking around for it... hang on a sec (or you can start looking too -either through desktop prefs or through gconf :)
[12:02] <Taurendil> installed as root, and ran first, crating default profile with root permissions, then running as user it would have a cow at me
[12:03] <Nefarous> srx33: nothign enlightening ... sorry ... need more detail I guess ... this gnoppix you're talking about ... hmmm, I guess I'm the wrong person :)
[12:03] <Zimpee> thoreauputic: you are working on it, or i just had to sit here and fall asleep in my chair? cos you had time to answer this, not to answer my question
[12:03] <srx33> Nefarous: hmm ok
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: you are assuming I knew the answer
[12:04] <StarScream> whats the best java sdk for ppc?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: and the help in this channel is by  volunteers, so please adjust your attitude
[12:04] <ogra> wfx: i think its a rights prob.....
[12:04] <Zimpee> sorry. do you know the answer thoreauputic?
[12:05] <wfx> ogra, i have set to owner
[12:05] <ogra> wfx: have you loaded the @Config plugin ?
[12:05] <wfx> ogra, is up per default
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: I don't, sorry - someone in the channel might if you wait a while
[12:05] <Zimpee> ok
[12:05] <Nefarous> StarScream: I've only heard of yellowdog's java sdk for ppc ...
[12:05] <Zimpee> i have time thoreauputic:) thank you
[12:06] <StarScream> hmm d?>o you have to have yellowdog for that
[12:06] <ogra> wxf Error: You don't have the 'owner' capability.
[12:06] <StarScream> bah
[12:06] <srx33> Nefarous: Which file in a linux system contains which starts up when booting? deamons etc.. ?
[12:06] <StarScream> for that?
[12:06] <t17mh> d0gmaz: In gconf... desktop->gnome->interface->gtk_key_theme = Emacs
[12:06] <t17mh> There's a nicer way to set it, but I can't find it now :(
[12:07] <Nefarous> srx33, it's debian based: it goes /etc/rcS.d/* and then /etc/rc2.d/* (all the files in there)
[12:07] <d0gmaz> t17mh, great!
[12:07] <d0gmaz> im happy man now :P
[12:07] <t17mh> d0gmaz: np. Hope it helps :) C-k works too :)
[12:07] <Nefarous> StarScream: sorry, haven't used it ... just heard about it
[12:08] <StarScream> np, thanks anyways
[12:09] <Nefarous> srx33: of course the real scripts are in /etc/init.d ... the rc files are symlinks ...
[12:09] <t17mh> I screwed up my menu by editing applications-all-users:///  Anyone know how I can reset it to the default?
[12:10] <stuNNed> holy cr*p, HoaryHedgehog isn't due out until April 4th!!
[12:10] <t17mh> stuNNed: ??? ubuntu has a regular release schedule, this shouldn't be a surprise :)
[12:10] <srx33> Nefarous: yeah..  I saw it sysklogd it says
[12:10] <stuNNed> t17mh, ok :)
[12:11] <stuNNed> t17mh, just upgraded both laptop and pc to HoaryHedgehog, a little suprised :)
[12:11] <wfx> ogra, #1 you must identify
[12:11] <ogra> i am
[12:12] <Zimpee> i am waiting patiently...
[12:12] <fissy> anyone tried to get a kodak 3500 to work in ubuntu?
[12:12] <Nefarous> srx33: appears to be the first service in runlevel 2 ... bummer ... still a long way to go.
[12:12] <d0gmaz> where can i get x.org? or is it way too buggy?
[12:12] <Nefarous> fissy: I took the easy road, bought a USB card reader ...
[12:12] <fissy> hmm
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: maybe ask your question again in a few minutes :)
[12:13] <fissy> money
[12:13] <Zimpee> i did thoreauputic few times. thougt it is useful:)
[12:13] <Nefarous> fissy: what path are you taking to read from the camera?
[12:13] <Zimpee>  how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[12:14] <fissy> Nefarous, its not detected by linux *at all*
[12:14] <srx33> Nefarous: yes, because it isnt in the symbolik link dir  only in init.d  . I opened sysklogd.. hmm maybe I can edit it somehow.. what should I look for?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: I once asked a question in #fluxbox and it was answered an hour later !! ;)
[12:14] <Nefarous> fissy: Is it a USB connection?  If so, have you tried lsusb?
[12:14] <Zimpee> thoreauputic lol:)
[12:15] <fissy> Nefarous, two entries beginning bus
[12:15] <fissy> btw, i'm trying to use the dock as i don't have a cable, is that going to affect things?
[12:16] <Nefarous> fissy: have you tried gThumb, and forcing it to use your camera model?
[12:16] <fissy> yes, fails to auto detect it
[12:16] <fissy> and i've tried telling it the model
[12:16] <Nefarous> hmmm ... probably check the gThumbs support pages out there ... if any
[12:17] <Nefarous> fissy: is your dock usb?
[12:17] <fissy> Nefarous, yes
[12:18] <Nefarous> fissy: if you do a lsmod do you see hotplug in there?
[12:18] <ogra> fissy: could be affecting...
[12:19] <fissy> An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x40a, product 0x500). Make sure this device is connected to the computer.
[12:19] <fissy> thats from gthumb
[12:19] <fissy> david@liebniz:~ $ lsmod | grep hotplug
[12:19] <fissy> pci_hotplug            30640  0
[12:19] <supos> hmm, "universe" is Debian Testing main, right? Then what is "multiverse"?
[12:19] <Nefarous> fissy: freaky, usually just inserting the usb device will give you a notification, do you see anything in dmesg when you plug/unplug it?
[12:20] <d0gmaz> where can i find the hoary mirrors?
[12:20] <t17mh> supos: more like Debian Unstable, I believe. But ubuntu customized at any rate.
[12:20] <Skif> supos: "universe" is "stuff in debian that ubuntu doesn't want to officially support"
[12:20] <fissy> i don't think so, is there a way of telling dmesg to wait while i plug and unplug?
[12:20] <ogra> fissy: can you get a cable anywhere ?
[12:20] <Skif> multiverse is like universe, but including non-free bits
[12:20] <fissy> ogra, i just found that the docks cable is the same as the camera's, just tried... no cigar
[12:21] <Nefarous> fissy: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:21] <ogra> Nefarous: doesnt need sudo ;)
[12:21] <Nefarous> fissy: another helpful application is usbview, but I doubt it's installed by default
[12:21] <fissy> Nefarous, nothing happens
[12:21] <t17mh> Hate to keep reiterating -- but is there anyone here who understands the menu system. I've now doubly messed up the menus trying to fix it by hand; all I really want is to fresh install whatever ubuntu would give me by default. The FAQ says the Ubuntu Computer menu is uncustomizable -- what do I do when it's messed up then? (and how did it get messed up?)
[12:22] <Nefarous> fissy: sorry, I'm used to Debian :)
[12:22] <usual> if ya really wanna have fun apt-get install colorize and tail -f /var/log/syslog | colorize
[12:22] <usual> heh
[12:22] <supos> Skif: ok, thanks
[12:22] <wfx> ogra, i do update to the last version
[12:22] <Zimpee>  how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[12:23] <ogra> wfx: k
[12:23] <Nefarous> t17mh: sometimes it's just best to blow away all of your desktop directories and re-login :) ... or create a new user, or something similar ... copout answer
[12:23] <ogra> Zimpee: thake beep-media-player , its the gtk2 version of xmms
[12:23] <t17mh> Nefarous: No, this is system-wide. I can create a new user and it's still messed up. Partly by my own stupidity, partly by my backasswards attempt to go directly from sid-to-ubuntu :)
[12:24] <d0gmaz> where can i find the hoary mirrors?
[12:24] <GammaRay> beep is A gtk2 fork of xmms
[12:24] <Nefarous> t17mh: oh my, so you're talking about surgery here :)
[12:24] <t17mh> Nefarous: Oh yeah.
[12:24] <lifeless> open heart surgery
[12:24] <Nefarous> t17mh: a thought, if you could find what packages the files are in, then maybe forcing a reinstall of those debs?
[12:24] <Zimpee> but here i have to set a xmms, ogra, no way to get beep-media-player
[12:25] <Nefarous> t17mh: dpkg -S <filename> will let you know if it's part of a deb package ... and which one.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: why not?
[12:25] <lifeless> t17mh: did you go sid->warty or sid->hoary ?
[12:25] <usual> Nov 13 16:09:28 localhost sshd[12015] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for adsl-131.103.46.info.com.ph failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
[12:25] <usual> wtf lol
[12:26] <pdaoust> will somebody permit me to whine.... both optical drives have a death-grip on their discs and won't let go... problem is, they won't mount, so I can't click on an icon and go 'eject'
[12:26] <t17mh> lifeless: warty
[12:26] <pdaoust> any idea how I retrieve a disc that's been eaten in this fashion?
[12:26] <Zimpee> thoreauputic: they asked me to set xmms. dunno why. but their words are saint
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: ah, I see
[12:26] <Nefarous> pdaoust: a reboot usually does the trick, otherwise - power down and grab a paper clip
[12:26] <t17mh> Nefarous: Yeah -- that's do-able. But I'm afraid I don't even know which files are responsible for the menus.
[12:26] <lifeless> t17mh: you've probably got a bunch of packages still at sid levels, that you need to roll back to warty versions.
[12:26] <Skif> pdaoust: most drives have a very small hole, about the size of a paperclip, right next to the eject button
[12:26] <Skif> pdaoust: stick the end of a paperclip in there, it should let go.
[12:27] <t17mh> lifeless: Right -- I've rolled back just about everything at this point. I finally got the Applications/Computer menu setup. But Computer->Desktop Preferences is empty (and Desktop Preferences is still under Applications)
[12:27] <pdaoust> Nefarous: I figured that'd be the trick... the drives are quite okay (normally they will open), but the OS refuses to open them
[12:27] <GammaRay> Skif: is that safe while the drive is still powered?
[12:27] <lifeless> t17mh: also, their is a wiki page with describes the other manual things you need to do (like adding users to the plugdev group) to get everything happy.
[12:27] <Skif> pdaoust: however, if things are that seriously hosed, you'll probably want to reboot, because it's unlikely your computer will recognize new drives
[12:27] <Nefarous> (I second that)
[12:27] <t17mh> lifeless: Ah, that sounds useful -- on the ubuntulinux.org wiki?
[12:27] <Skif> GammaRay: it's safe physically-- you won't damage any hardware.  What happens if something tries to access those bits is probably not too happy, but you're already not happy, so it's not much worse, really.
[12:27] <lifeless> t17mh: yeah.
[12:27] <pdaoust> Skif and Nefarous: righty ho then
[12:28] <pdaoust> not quite sure why they would bail so seriously on bad discs though
[12:28] <pdaoust> see ya later, folks
[12:29] <t17mh> lifeless: Would this be easier if I went to hoary?
[12:29] <lifeless> t17mh: I'm not sure :/. One of the devs would be a better bet to answer.
[12:30] <blatch> does sleep work on powerbooks in hoary?
[12:30] <blatch> or rather: how do i get sleep to work?
[12:32] <Gwildor> read my post please, i will be afk, so respond in thread, if you could :)
[12:32] <Gwildor> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4306
[12:32] <Gwildor> or pm :)
[12:32] <billytwowilly> If i have 2 120 gig and 2 160 gig drives can I just partition the 160s into a 120 and a 40 and then software raid 5 the 2 120s and the 2 120 gig partitions?
[12:33] <ilmari> billytwowilly: sure
[12:33] <Nefarous> Gwildor: sorry, not a ATI user
[12:33] <Zimpee> so do you kno anything about it?
[12:33] <billytwowilly> ilmari, got any links to setting up software raid with ubuntu?
[12:33] <billytwowilly> Gwildor, what's wrong with your ati stuff?
[12:34] <Klowner> if anyone is in need of a Christmas/Linux themed wallpaper, I just posted a fresh one on my site
[12:34] <t17mh> This migration is a strange process... I swear it's been three or four times now that I've done an apt-get dist-upgrade and downgraded hundreds of packages...
[12:35] <ilmari> billytwowilly: mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-disks=4 /dev/md0 /dev/hdXY ...
[12:35] <alerios> Klowner, url?
[12:35] <Klowner> alerios: http://klowner.com
[12:35] <alerios> Klowner, thanks
[12:35] <ilmari> billytwowilly: uh, --raid-devices, not --raid-disks
[12:36] <Klowner> alerios: very welcome
[12:36] <billytwowilly> ilmari, I found the software raid howto;)
[12:36] <billytwowilly> ilmari, thanks.
[12:37] <billytwowilly> ilmari, one last question. Can I use softwar raid to setup a mirror of the boot partition, which would be those 40 gig partitions?
[12:38] <Gwildor> billytwowilly, can i pm you?
[12:38] <Nefarous> Klowner: newbie question, just how does one with an artsy gift go about drawing those wallpapers? (free hand mouse, pen, other?)
[12:39] <billytwowilly> Gwildor, go ahead. I only have 3 minutes though
[12:39] <Klowner> Nefarous: I use various methods, most of them I just use a mouse, I have a wacom tablet I use on occasion though
[12:40] <Nefarous> Klowner: interesting, seems tedious, do you use freestrokes, or bend the lines to for arcs?
[12:41] <alerios> Klowner, hey great work on that site
[12:41] <alerios> Klowner, congratulations
[12:43] <deninux> hi all
[12:47] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[12:47] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'echo' is not a valid command.
[12:48] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[12:48] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[12:48] <wfx> :)
[12:49] <ogra> yeah !!!
[12:49] <wfx> i must add  you and the ni teach you :)
[12:49] <ogra> yay
[12:49] <thoreauputic> wfx: does it respond to ! or @ or similar? Like !mp3 ?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[12:50] <thoreauputic> nah
[12:50] <thoreauputic> :(
[12:50] <yz> say what is the name of the ubuntu software to burn a cd ?
[12:50] <wfx> thoreauputic, no you must ask bonobo
[12:50] <thoreauputic> wfx: OK :)
[12:50] <wfx> bonobo, what is mp3
[12:50] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'what' is not a valid command.
[12:50] <wfx> :/
[12:50] <ogra> bonobo: wfx
[12:50] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'wfx' is not a valid command.
[12:51] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[12:51] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[12:51] <thoreauputic> bonobo: google
[12:51] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.
[12:51] <Nefarous> yz: doesn't the file browser try to do that for you? otherwise a lot of people us k3b, but you have to grab it elsewhere (see Ubuntu FAQs/HOWTO)
[12:51] <ogra> wfx: wfx should reply master ;)
[12:51] <wfx> we need a better plugin (or write one) btw ...
[12:52] <ogra> Nefarous: its included in universe.....you dont grab it elsewhere
[12:52] <wfx> bonobo, wfx
[12:52] <bonobo> the claw is my master
[12:52] <wfx> :)
[12:52] <ogra> hehe
[12:52] <Nefarous> ogra: good to know, thanks for the correction
[12:52] <Zimpee>  how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[12:53] <yz> thanks nefarous
[12:53] <Zimpee> i will ask it for answer
[12:53] <Zimpee> :)
[12:53] <yz> i'll lookin into filebrowser first
[12:53] <ogra> Nefarous: btw, what are you guys building there ? sounds big....
[12:53] <Nefarous> ogra: confused ...
[12:54] <Nefarous> yz: usually you just pop a blank CD in and it prompts you for the rest ...
[12:55] <ogra> Nefarous: you and t17mh
[12:56] <t17mh> ogra: ?
[12:56] <yz> nefarous that would be too cool
[12:56] <Nefarous> ogra: t17mh was just trying to figure out how to restore his system wide menu ... so you're just confusing us now :)
[12:56] <Nefarous> yz: worked for me ... although I'm a bit of a command line guy  myself
[12:56] <ogra> Nefarous: oh, sorry didnt want that
[01:01] <Nefarous> ] {] +P['p-'
[01:02] <Klowner> Nefarous: I bend lines.. takes a while to do
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Nefarous: this is an *english* channel ;)
[01:02] <dataw0lf|home> Hey guys, I'm having a weird problem with a usb camera in Ubuntu, anybody mind helping me?
[01:02] <Klowner> alerios: thanks :)
[01:03] <dataw0lf|home> Anybody? I've tried everything I could think of to mount this usb camera, and it isn't working.
[01:03] <dan> can someone help me out with the default locations for where htdocs would be on a default install of apache2?
[01:03] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: what cam?
[01:03] <Bentley> hi all - has anyone here successfully installed the latest ATI driver (3.14.x) .. needed for doom3?
[01:03] <ogra> dan below /var/www/
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: Kodak EasyShare.. it shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices
[01:04] <t17mh> Let's see -- what's the apt-cache/apt/dpkg? command to ask what package provides a given file?
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: and when I grep dmesg it gives me :
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home>  Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[01:04] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: hrm, my digital camera lives happily with gtkam
[01:05] <ogra> t17mh: you must install apt-file
[01:05] <dan> ogra- it seems that location only works for localhost, as I modified index.html.en there, but from the net all I get is the apache default install page
[01:05] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: it just isn't giving me a /dev/ reference ( ie sda1 etc)
[01:05] <ogra> t17mh: and run apt-file update afterwards
[01:05] <t17mh> ogra: thanks.
[01:05] <ogra> t17mh: or use dpkg -S /path/to/file
[01:05] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: hrm, it might show up as a scsi device.. /dev/scsi or /dev/sda#
[01:05] <t17mh> ogra: Ah -- that's even better.
[01:06] <ogra> t17mh: if its alredy installed
[01:06] <ogra> +a
[01:06] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: I haven't tried /dev/scsi... but I've tried everything through /dev/sd*
[01:06] <dan> im not exactly an expert on apache, but im trying it out, ubuntu makes everything be in different places than I am used to
[01:06] <dataw0lf|home> one sec, lemme check /dev/scsi
[01:07] <dan> is anyone here using the apache2 deb?
[01:07] <dataw0lf|home> dan: yes, and multithreated enabled.
[01:07] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: nope, /dev/scsi isn't working either.
[01:08] <wfx> bonobo, ogra
[01:08] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'ogra' is not a valid command.
[01:08] <dan> datawolf - am I asking in the wrong place or something? for help with the ubuntu packages of apache?
[01:08] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: weird, I'm not sure
[01:08] <dataw0lf|home> dan: htdocs might be in /usr/local/apache/htdocs
[01:08] <dataw0lf|home> Anyone else have any experience troubleshooting a usb camera?
[01:08] <dan> nope
[01:08] <dataw0lf|home> it's a strange problem.
[01:09] <dan> use lsusb to check the bus
[01:09] <ogra> bonobo: ogra
[01:09] <bonobo> is here too
[01:09] <dan> but you need usbtools installed
[01:09] <ogra> yay
[01:09] <dataw0lf|home> hm, I didn't install usbtools.
[01:10] <dataw0lf|home> Bus 003 Device 005: ID 040a:0578 Kodak Co.
[01:10] <dataw0lf|home> where would that point at?
[01:10] <once-named-dan> usually /dev/sd*
[01:10] <dataw0lf|home> I can't find it.
[01:10] <once-named-dan> hangon
[01:10] <wfx> bonobo, ndiwrapper
[01:10] <bonobo> ubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[01:10] <wfx> :)
[01:10] <once-named-dan> do a lsmod
[01:10] <ogra> bonobo: ndiswrapper
[01:10] <bonobo> ubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[01:11] <once-named-dan> do you have usb-storage module in there?
[01:11] <dataw0lf|home> yeah, usb-storage, I modprobbed it its good.
[01:11] <ironwolf> in hoary is music player supposed to not come with a way to play mp3's?  if so what's a good alternative or how do I make it work?
[01:12] <dataw0lf|home> Maybe if I rmmod it and insmod it back in? maybe?
[01:12] <jordi> ironwolf: you probably want to install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[01:12] <once-named-dan> doubt it
[01:12] <ogra> bonobo: mp3
[01:12] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[01:12] <ogra> ironwolf read bonobo
[01:13] <wfx> nvidia!
[01:14] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia
[01:14] <bonobo> for nvidia see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/
[01:14] <ogra> huh ?
[01:14] <wfx> :)
[01:14] <ogra> lol
[01:14] <Nefarous> FYI: whomever mentioned the "this is an *english*" channel, my 1 yr old daughter got ahold of my laptop while I was away for a minute, thus the garbage on the screen.   LOL!
[01:15] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia ?
[01:15] <bonobo> for nvidia see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/
[01:15] <ogra> wxf: c'mon
[01:15] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia ?
[01:15] <bonobo> ubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <ogra> thx
[01:15] <ogra> ;)
[01:15] <wfx> :)
[01:16] <ogra> bonobo: ati
[01:16] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:16] <once-named-dan> datawolf - my knowledge on usb-storage is outdated and only useful on 2.4 systems i guess, go check out a tutorial on google - all I can suggest, but it should show up and work as a simple usb-storage /dev/sda* in 2.4
[01:16] <wfx> ok now we need a better plugin for ;-)
[01:18] <ogra> wfx: which one ?
[01:19] <ogra> bonobo: java
[01:19] <bonobo> java ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <ogra> bonobo: java
[01:19] <bonobo> java on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <ogra> wfx: updates fine ;)
[01:20] <wfx> :)
[01:21] <wfx> i must restart it in background (im login into my server from a terminal) and before i do this i like to know how do i save the aliases
[01:22] <wfx> and im sure ther are more users to add (some names?)
[01:24] <ogra> wfx: plovs i guess, he cares a lot for the wiki
[01:24] <cyrus-tc> wfx, write the aliases into your .bashrc file
[01:25] <wfx> cyrus-tc, thx but i meant the bot
[01:25] <ogra> cyrus-tc: for the channelbot ?
[01:25] <wfx> plovs is add same pass :)
[01:26] <ogra> cyrus-tc: type: bonobo: nvidia
[01:27] <ogra> cyrus-tc: in the cannel ;)
[01:28] <ogra> bonobo: shaliases
[01:28] <bonobo> add your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file
[01:28] <ogra> hehe
[01:29] <wfx> ?! :)  shaliases this is the word for ?? :-)
[01:29] <ogra> wfx: didnt want sh_aliases
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ogra: bash-aliases maybe?
[01:30] <ogra> thoreauputic: no dashes :(
[01:30] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:30] <thoreauputic> no  .  either?
[01:30] <ogra> trying
[01:30] <plovs> wfx, what's up
[01:30] <plovs> ogra, can i help?
[01:30] <ogra> bonobo: bash.aliases
[01:30] <bonobo> add your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file
[01:31] <ogra> bonobo: java
[01:31] <bonobo> java on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:31] <cyrus-tc> ogra, haven't followed discussion
[01:31] <wfx> hi :)
[01:31] <cyrus-tc> ;)
[01:31] <ogra> bonobo: plovs
[01:31] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki writer around
[01:31] <ogra> bonobo: bash.aliases
[01:31] <bonobo> add your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file
[01:31] <thoreauputic> bonobo: nvidia
[01:31] <bonobo> ubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <thoreauputic> cool
[01:32] <ogra> yay
[01:32] <cyrus-tc> is there an interest in a guide how to get the 5+6 mouse buttons work? -> like windows forward and back in mozilla etc.
[01:32] <plovs> bonobo, atm learning docbook
[01:32] <bonobo> plovs: Error: 'atm' is not a valid command.
[01:32] <ogra> hehe
[01:32] <usual> http://colin.homeunix.org/g.jpg it's an apache access log....script kiddies? worm?
[01:32] <plovs> ogra, yours?
[01:32] <ogra> plovs: wxf
[01:33] <ogra> plovs: wfx
[01:33] <ogra> sorry
[01:33] <ogra> plovs: you got access
[01:33] <wfx> plovs i have give you the right to do all thing with it
[01:34] <ogra> plovs: so you can add your wikipages easily :)
[01:34] <plovs> wfx, thanks :-) ,but what is it?
[01:34] <wfx> a bot ;-)
[01:34] <ogra> plovs: a python based bot :)
[01:35] <plovs> wfx, ogra, nice!
[01:35] <plovs> bonobo, help
[01:35] <bonobo> plovs: (help [<plugin>]  <command>) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[01:35] <wfx> bonobo, wfx
[01:35] <bonobo> the artist of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776
[01:35] <wfx> :)
[01:35] <ironwolf> thanks bonobo and others.  that did it.
[01:36] <ogra> wfx: your drawig too ?
[01:36] <cyrus-tc> bonobo: plovs
[01:36] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki writer around
[01:36] <wfx> yes
[01:36] <wfx> :)
[01:36] <cyrus-tc> hehe
[01:36] <ogra> lol
[01:36] <cyrus-tc> bonobo: ati
[01:36] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <ogra> loool
[01:37] <wfx> ogra, yes it paint
[01:37] <Nefarous> where is this wiki you speak so highly of ...
[01:37] <kapputu> a question for you guys
[01:37] <ogra> wfx: wow
[01:37] <kapputu> how does one get back to programming in C, C++ after programming in Perl, Java?
[01:37] <wfx> bonobo, wiki
[01:37] <bonobo> the wiki is on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:38] <wfx> ogra, thx (i also work on teg.sf.net :)
[01:38] <Nefarous> kapputu: odd question, easiest answer is to just use them all as much as possible, I'm rusty on my perl, but I program in C/C++/Java daily ...
[01:38] <ogra> bonobo: kapputu
[01:38] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'kapputu' is not a valid command.
[01:38] <wfx> :)
[01:38] <ogra> bonobo: kapputu
[01:38] <bonobo> kapputu: always wants to know......
[01:38] <ogra> ;)
[01:38] <plovs> bonobo, faq
[01:38] <bonobo> plovs: Error: 'faq' is not a valid command.
[01:39] <cyrus-tc> bonobo: next saturday lottery numbers
[01:39] <bonobo> cyrus-tc: Error: 'next' is not a valid command.
[01:39] <wfx> needs to add
[01:39] <kapputu> no, every time I try to program in C, C++ these days, I feel frustrated and start thinking how easy this is in perl or java
[01:39] <cyrus-tc> dmn
[01:39] <cyrus-tc> ;)
[01:39] <dataw0lf|home> java's gay.
[01:39] <Nefarous> kapputu: do you use STL for C++?
[01:39] <kapputu> especially I have started to hate pointers
[01:39] <kapputu> no I haven't got down to serious coding in C++ yet but will start soon
[01:40] <kapputu> I started by learning C and C++ but
[01:40] <ogra> kapputu: i'm just learning python ;) http://www.grawert.net/startup-settings.png
[01:40] <kapputu> yeah me too
[01:40] <Nefarous> kapputu: STL makes C++ a little easier, especially when you are used to just having a library/class for everything under the sun in Java/Perl.
[01:40] <kapputu> ic
[01:40] <wfx> nice the latter you can help with the pygame client port of teg :-)
[01:40] <kapputu> yeah I kinda have an idea of what STL is
[01:41] <kapputu> but I'm struggling to get back
[01:41] <kapputu> all the more since I'm working as a Perl developer
[01:41] <Nefarous> kapputu: for perl I just keep a book nearby :)
[01:41] <kapputu> ogra: what's python's connection to Ubuntu
[01:41] <kapputu> when I was installing, I found that a lot of python libraries got installed
[01:42] <lamont_r> kapputu: Mark _really_ likes python
[01:42] <ogra> kapputu: ubuntu is centralized around it
[01:42] <lamont_r> so ubuntu adopted it.
[01:42] <Nefarous> kapputu: do you find yourself choosing the language or being forced to use one or the other? (I guess this is all offtopic here)
[01:42] <kapputu> ok, it's like I'm going to get involved in the Firefox project
[01:43] <lamont_r> Nefarous: for perl, I keep a wall nearby to hit my head on.

[01:43] <wfx> bonobo, nvidia
[01:43] <bonobo> ubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:43] <kapputu> also, I'll be starting work on a customized search engine involving gigabytes of data
[01:43] <kapputu> so C++ is definitely a better option, due to the speed
[01:43] <Nefarous> (oh gosh, don't start that flame war)
[01:44] <Matt|> hi i have a problem with gdm, I can't sort out my ~/.xsession file in order to make icewm work properly. Can someone help me out?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> bonobo: flamewar
[01:44] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'flamewar' is not a valid command.
[01:44] <ogra> heh
[01:44] <thoreauputic> ah, that needs fixing ;-)
[01:44] <kapputu> if you are proficient in Perl, you can get a lot of things done in less time but it might not be very extensible or resuable or efficient
[01:44] <Matt|> oh you have put a bot on
[01:44] <Matt|> good idea
[01:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> what is bonobo's point?
[01:44] <ogra> Matt|: yeah !!
[01:44] <Matt|> ogra, ATI
[01:44] <ogra> bobobo: ati
[01:45] <ogra> hey
[01:45] <Matt|> ogra, help me out with gdm?
[01:45] <kapputu> hey what's up with this bonobo thing
[01:45] <Matt|> bonobo, mp3
[01:45] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[01:45] <ogra> bonobo: ati
[01:45] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:45] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:45] <thoreauputic> LifesizeKenDoll: once she's taught, she can give us lots of info
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> ooh, fun
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's a she?
[01:45] <Matt|> nah
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> but it ends in 'o'
[01:45] <Matt|> bonobo is a mans name
[01:45] <bonobo> Matt|: Error: 'is' is not a valid command.
[01:45] <ogra> lifeless: for sure
[01:45] <wfx> its a ape a
[01:45] <ogra> oops
[01:45] <thoreauputic> LifesizeKenDoll: look up bonobo :)
[01:45] <ogra> its a female ape ;)
[01:46] <wfx> the dna of this ape is ~99.4 similary to use
[01:46] <Nefarous> Matt|: what's in your xsession file?
[01:46] <wfx> mice also :)
[01:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> ooh, ape-tastic
[01:46] <Matt|> ah thanks for replying Nefarous
[01:46] <kapputu> no I mean the error: not a valid command thing
[01:46] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ cat .xsession
[01:46] <Matt|> xscreensaver &
[01:46] <Matt|> nautilus -n &
[01:46] <Matt|> icewm-session
[01:46] <Matt|> ^^ Nefarous
[01:46] <kapputu> is it a bot or is it really someone acting funny ?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> $ dict bonobo bonobo
[01:46] <thoreauputic>        n : small chimpanzee of swamp forests in Zaire; a threatened
[01:46] <thoreauputic>            species [syn: {pygmy chimpanzee}, {Pan paniscus}]
[01:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> bot
[01:47] <Matt|> bonobo is a program i thought
[01:47] <bonobo> Matt|: Error: 'is' is not a valid command.
[01:47] <Nefarous> Matt|: any particular reason you're going that route? (this is Ununtu right?)
[01:47] <Matt|> Nefarous, what other route do I have?
[01:47] <Matt|> you HAVE to take off the Error message from that stupid bot
[01:47] <thoreauputic> Matt|: the program is named after the chimp :)
[01:47] <wfx> anyone how have the right should add bonobo to topic "first ask bonobo:keyword" or something like this :-)
[01:47] <ogra> bonobo: plovs
[01:47] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki and desktop doc writer around
[01:47] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:47] <Nefarous> Matt|: well I can't look now, but usually you can choose your WM pref from the gdm dialog, but that might not help you with the default apps.
[01:48] <lifeless> ogra: ???
[01:48] <kapputu> bonobo:plovs
[01:48] <Matt|> Nefarous, i can choose the WM from the gdm dialogue, but i want it to start with nautilus too, so I used the .xsession file
[01:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> bonobo sex
[01:48] <bonobo> LifesizeKenDoll: Error: 'sex' is not a valid command.
[01:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> aw
[01:48] <ogra> lifeless: sorry autocompletion.....
[01:48] <Nefarous> Matt|: what's it doing?
[01:48] <dataw0lf|home> bonobo version
[01:48] <Matt|> Nefarous, what is what doing?
[01:48] <bonobo> dataw0lf|home: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2.  The newest version available online is 0.80.0pre2.
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bonobo: stfu
[01:48] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'stfu' is not a valid command.
[01:48] <Nefarous> Matt|: when you launch X ... is it hanging?
[01:49] <dataw0lf|home> bonobo: kick
[01:49] <bonobo> dataw0lf|home: Error: You don't have the '#ubuntu,op' capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[01:49] <Matt|> Nefarous, oh sorry!!! no it works fine, but I cannot logout.
[01:49] <kapputu> bonobo: ogra
[01:49] <bonobo> is here too
[01:49] <ogra> hehe
[01:49] <Matt|> this bot is gonna be really annoying
[01:49] <wfx> :)
[01:49] <Nefarous> Matt|:  does it logout when you close all of your apps?
[01:49] <dataw0lf|home> bonobo google
[01:49] <bonobo> dataw0lf|home: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.
[01:49] <dataw0lf|home> !google
[01:49] <Matt|> Nefarous, you mean if I kill nautilus and xscreensaver?
[01:50] <dataw0lf|home> !google ubuntu usb drive
[01:50] <Matt|> Nefarous, i'm not sure. Probably
[01:50] <thoreauputic> dataw0lf|home: nah, doesn't do !
[01:50] <dataw0lf|home> damn.
[01:50] <Nefarous> Matt|: yes ... I'm not an ICEwm user ... what's the normal process for logging out?>
[01:50] <wfx> goggle plugin is avail must be load but i dont think we should do
[01:50] <kapputu> bonobo google
[01:50] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.
[01:50] <d0gmaz> nautilus reacts very very slow version 2.8.2 somebody maybe knows what it is?
[01:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> be back later, people
[01:50] <kapputu> bonobo ogra
[01:50] <bonobo> is here too
[01:50] <Matt|> Nefarous, clicking the logout button normally does it. It works fine if I just start icewm from the gdm session menu. but that way I don't get nautilus
[01:50] <kapputu> bonobo wxf
[01:50] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'wxf' is not a valid command.
[01:50] <suix> hi
[01:51] <kapputu> bonobo wfx
[01:51] <bonobo> the artist of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776
[01:51] <Matt|> omg
[01:51] <Matt|> stop it already
[01:51] <wfx> ;-)
[01:51] <kapputu> bonobo Matt|
[01:51] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'Matt|' is not a valid command.
[01:51] <kapputu> bonobo plovs
[01:51] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki and desktop doc writer around
[01:51] <thoreauputic> bonobo: bot_abuse
[01:51] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'bot_abuse' is not a valid command.
[01:51] <thoreauputic> indeed not :)
[01:52] <kapputu> bonobo thoreauputic
[01:52] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'thoreauputic' is not a valid command.
[01:52] <Matt|> omg
[01:52] <kapputu> good
[01:52] <Matt|> you guys are easily ammused
[01:52] <kapputu> no Matt|, it's over
[01:52] <wfx> sometimes
[01:52] <suix> does any one uses php? I have a problem when I try to make a  mysql_connect(), it gives me an error saying that Im trying to call to an undefined function :S I have php4-mysql installed :S
[01:52] <Matt|> can anyone else help me with this gdm thing?
[01:53] <Nefarous> Matt|: haven't ditched ya, pondering
[01:53] <ogra> Matt|: send your xsession (pm)
[01:53] <Matt|> ah kewl
[01:53] <d0gmaz> it takes very long to open folders and open new screens in nautilus someone knows what to do?
[01:53] <Matt|> d0gmaz, hoary?
[01:54] <d0gmaz> Matt|, yes
[01:54] <Matt|> d0gmaz, "sudo apt-get install gamin"
[01:55] <d0gmaz> what is it?
[01:55] <Matt|> not sure
[01:55] <ogra> d0gmaz: replacement for fam
[01:55] <Matt|> it is a replacement for fam
[01:55] <d0gmaz> it worked
[01:55] <Matt|> good :)
[01:55] <d0gmaz> but i dont understand
[01:56] <d0gmaz> cuz it worked only slow now its fast
[01:56] <d0gmaz> what is that gamin?
[01:56] <Nefarous> Matt|: is that the normal way to start icewm? I believe you typed icewm-session? is that different than just launching ice-wm?
[01:56] <Matt|> Nefarous, sort of
[01:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: fam = file-alternation-manager
[01:56] <wfx> ogra, would be better http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Utilities.html#re ?
[01:56] <Lathiat> suix: need to add extension=mysql.so in /etc/apache/php4.ini or wherever it is
[01:57] <Matt|> Nefarous, the command icewm just launches the bare bones
[01:57] <Nefarous> Matt|: the only other thing of note, in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/* they prefix the wm line with exec, i.e. "exec twm"
[01:57] <JDahl> I followed the wiki on installing ATI fglrx - Cudos to the author, that was easy!! I have an IBM thinkpad, and I dont seem to be able to run things in fullscreen; openGL applications pop in the lower left corner, e.g. a 800x600 window out of the 1400x1050 total resolution. Is this normal for laptops using openGL applications? (I havent installed games for quite awhile)
[01:57] <Matt|> Nefarous, true that is not a bad idea
[01:57] <ogra> wfx: i'm fine as it is.....
[01:57] <Matt|> ogra, you are running the bot?
[01:58] <ogra> wfx: but probably for fulltext questions......
[01:58] <ogra> Matt|: wfx
[01:58] <kapputu> so anything new in the Ubuntu community?
[01:58] <Nefarous> Matt|: trying to recall the diff btw .xsession and .xinitrc ... I think I've always used the latter ... but that's usually for borderless/noWM displays
[01:58] <kapputu> I miss Ubuntu at work :-(
[01:59] <Matt|> Nefarous, .xinitrc does not work with gdm
[01:59] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[01:59] <kapputu> what's gdm
[01:59] <kapputu> ?
[02:00] <ogra> bonobo: kapputu
[02:00] <bonobo> kapputu: always wants to know......
[02:00] <thoreauputic> kapputu: gnome display manager
[02:00] <kapputu> bonobo gdm
[02:00] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'gdm' is not a valid command.
[02:00] <darkling> Graphical login screen for Gnome.
[02:00] <kapputu> damn Ogra :-P
[02:00] <kapputu> what's .xinitrc got to do with gdm ?
[02:00] <ogra> bonobo: gdm
[02:00] <bonobo> the graphical login screen of ubuntu
[02:00] <d0gmaz> how do i turn on dropshadow in X.org?
[02:01] <kapputu> ogra, Hoary has X.org?
[02:01] <Lathiat> kapputu: it does
[02:01] <ogra> yep
[02:01] <kapputu> how many switched to Hoary?
[02:01] <kapputu> omg, I'm being tempted
[02:02] <Lathiat> d0gmaz: get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/ -- install it and run xcompmgr -c; sleep 5; killall metacity
[02:02] <ogra> bonobo: hoary
[02:02] <bonobo> the unstable development branch of ubuntu use at your own risk
[02:02] <kapputu> risk is not a major factor
[02:02] <kapputu> not sure about the time I need to spend
[02:03] <kapputu> bonobo warty
[02:03] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'warty' is not a valid command.
[02:03] <kapputu> boo
[02:03] <Matt|> no luck
[02:03] <ogra> bonobo: xcompmgr
[02:03] <bonobo> get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[02:03] <kapputu> bonobo Matt|
[02:03] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'Matt|' is not a valid command.
[02:04] <Nefarous> Matt|: does icewm have it's own startup config file?
[02:04] <kapputu> bonobo: Poor soul who is having difficulty
[02:04] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'Poor' is not a valid command.
[02:04] <kapputu> :-)
[02:04] <Matt|> Nefarous, nope
[02:04] <kapputu> bonobo: "valid command"
[02:04] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'valid command' is not a valid command.
[02:04] <kapputu> oh what a contradiction
[02:05] <ogra> lol
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:05] <Nefarous> Matt|: hmmm, normally this is not rocket science, wonder what we're missing here ...
[02:05] <wfx> time to sleep..... have fun
[02:05] <ogra> gut nacht ;)
[02:05] <kapputu> wfx: can I get the access rights ?
[02:05] <kapputu> gut nacht wfx
[02:06] <kapputu> how do you say 'hello' in german ?
[02:06] <ogra> hallo
[02:06] <kapputu> how do you do ??
[02:07] <ogra> wie geht es dir ??
[02:07] <Matt|> erm
[02:07] <ogra> kapputu: topic :)
[02:07] <Matt|> if I kill nautilus, then I can logout ok
[02:07] <kapputu> ubuntu is a good OS, how do I say Fine, thank you
[02:07] <d0gmaz> how do i install a .deb package?
[02:07] <Nefarous> so do you just put a killall -TERM nautilus in you .xsession?
[02:07] <mtl> d0gmaz: dpkg -i
[02:08] <Matt|> Nefarous, i don't think that would work
[02:08] <ogra> Matt|: try adding: killall nautilus behind icewm-session
[02:08] <kapputu> how do I say Ubuntu is a good OS in German?
[02:08] <Matt|> ogra, but I want nautilus to run when I login!!!! that's the whole point
[02:09] <ogra> Matt|: they are run one after another, if icewm-session killall nautilus is run
[02:09] <ogra> +ends
[02:09] <Matt|> oh you genius
[02:09] <Matt|> lemme try
[02:09] <ogra> yep
[02:10] <ogra> i'm not sure though
[02:11] <ogra> so ?
[02:11] <Matt|> nah
[02:11] <Matt|> shame
[02:11] <Matt|> that would have been clever
[02:12] <Matt|> i tell ya what we need
[02:12] <ogra> Matt|: then try this line: icewm-session && killall nautilus
[02:12] <Matt|> ok
[02:12] <Matt|> i think perhaps the problem is that nautilus has to die before icewm allows itself to end tho
[02:13] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[02:13] <Gwildor> how do i tell if i am using xorg or xfree?
[02:13] <bob2> we told you that last night
[02:13] <bob2> "dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86 | tail -n2"
[02:14] <Gwildor> ii  xserver-xorg   6.8.1-1ubuntu2 the X.Org X server
[02:14] <Gwildor> rc  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
[02:14] <bob2> you have xorg
[02:14] <Gwildor> hmmm
[02:14] <Gwildor> thnx
[02:15] <Gwildor> how to test 3d support?
[02:15] <ogra> Matt|: ?
[02:15] <Matt|> nope
[02:15] <ogra> Matt|: hmm
[02:15] <Matt|> does anyone else have to wait about 20 seconds before logging into freenode?
[02:16] <Matt|> --- *** Looking up your hostname...
[02:16] <Matt|> --- *** Found your hostname, welcome back
[02:16] <Matt|> --- *** Checking ident
[02:16] <ogra> Matt|: longer
[02:16] <Matt|> at that stage
[02:16] <alindeman> Matt|: You should REJECT (not DROP) packets coming at your identd port, if possible
[02:16] <Matt|> alindeman, drop?
[02:16] <alindeman> (port 113)
[02:16] <Matt|> i have port 113 closed
[02:16] <alindeman> If you just DROP the packets, it takes longer to time out
[02:16] <Matt|> ah i c
[02:17] <bob2> "closed" doesn't mean anything
[02:17] <alindeman> That's fine, but you should reject, not just drop them, if possible
[02:17] <Matt|> bob2, it does to my router interface
[02:17] <Matt|> bob2, open/closed
[02:17] <JDahl> could someone using the ATI flgrx driver check their results for "fgl_glxgears" for me? I get 284 fps, and I am not sure if that's good or not (and my previous question about OpenGL fullscreen mode is a well-known bug according to the debian docs)
[02:17] <bob2> haha
[02:17] <ogra> heh
[02:18] <Matt|> JDahl, i get around 400 with my crappy ati card with dri enabled
[02:18] <Matt|> bob2, hi
[02:18] <bob2> hey
[02:18] <mjr> 284 sounds almost like software rendering
[02:18] <mjr> (with a fast computer, tho)
[02:18] <bob2> home router things and windoes "firewalls" have confused a generation of computer users
[02:19] <Matt|> bob2, oh well i can live with it. Other networks are much quicker tho
[02:19] <bob2> Matt|: put your .xsession in #flood
[02:19] <Matt|> bob2, not necessary it's three lines
[02:19] <Matt|> exec xscreensaver &
[02:19] <Matt|> exec nautilus -n &
[02:19] <Matt|> exec icewm-session
[02:19] <bob2> don't use exec
[02:19] <Matt|> i've also tried without the exec
[02:19] <JDahl> Matt|, how would a Radeon Mobility 9000 stack up against your card? I would expect more than 280fps
[02:19] <Matt|> no difference
[02:20] <Matt|> JDahl, yeah i'm thinking better, but I really don't know
[02:20] <bob2> heh, 898 in glxgears on my radeon with Free drivers
[02:20] <Matt|> bob2, if I kill nautilus then I can logout fine
[02:20] <bob2> Matt|: weren't you trying to kill nautilus after icewm-session?
[02:20] <d0gmaz> i want to install this package http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ how do i install a package manually?
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, i was just trying it to see if it would help.
[02:21] <bob2> did it?
[02:21] <Matt|> d0gmaz, you had the answer already ;) dpkg -i package
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, nope
[02:21] <bob2> d0gmaz: you don't, add the right deb line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:21] <GFXstyLER> hi
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, i guess it needs nautilus killed before icewm-session can die
[02:21] <ogra> bonobo: manual.install
[02:21] <bonobo> sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[02:22] <ogra> heh
[02:22] <d0gmaz> Matt|, but it has dependencies
[02:22] <Matt|> d0gmaz, ok do the way bob2 says
[02:22] <ogra> d0gmaz: bob2 is right
[02:22] <GFXstyLER> i have a little problem, does someone have a minute for me ;) ?
[02:22] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, shoot
[02:22] <GFXstyLER> ubuntu wont book
[02:22] <GFXstyLER> boot
[02:22] <Matt|> thats not good
[02:22] <Matt|> why not?
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> after grub it doesnt go further
[02:23] <bob2> d0gmaz: add "deb  http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> grub loading, please wait ...
[02:23] <ogra> GFXstyLER: errors ?
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> nope
[02:23] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, an error message would help
[02:23] <Matt|> oh
[02:23] <bob2> d0gmaz: run "apt-get update", then you can install xcompmgr from synaptic or apt or whatever
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> maybe some problem with the notebook?
[02:23] <bob2> Matt|: can't you get icewm-session to run nautilus for you?
[02:23] <d0gmaz> bob2, thanks
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> on pc it runs fine
[02:23] <bob2> but I'm pretty sure xcompmgr is in hoary now
[02:23] <ogra> GFXstyLER: which brand/model
[02:24] <GFXstyLER> fujitsu amilo d 1840
[02:24] <ogra> bonobo: laptops
[02:24] <bonobo> ubuntu on laptops: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[02:24] <Matt|> bob2, xcompmgr isn't there yet
[02:24] <ogra> bonobo: xompmgr
[02:24] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'xompmgr' is not a valid command.
[02:24] <GFXstyLER> it isnt listed there :) but i guess ill try, though
[02:24] <ogra> bonobo: xcompmgr
[02:24] <bonobo> get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[02:24] <Matt|> bob2, dunno if getting icewm-session to run nautilus for me would help, maybe it is worth a try
[02:24] <bob2> ah, you're right, just the libs are
[02:24] <Matt|> bonobo, do I need to just say xcompmgr or can you pick it out of a sentence?
[02:24] <bonobo> Matt|: Error: 'do' is not a valid command.
[02:24] <bob2> Matt|: I think it will
[02:25] <Matt|> bob2, ok i will try
[02:25] <ogra> Matt|: not yet
[02:25] <GFXstyLER> can i use another boot loader than grub? maybe that would help
[02:25] <ogra> Matt|: wfx wants to implemet regex matching...
[02:25] <Xenguy> GFXstyLER: yes - you run the 'expert' install I believe
[02:26] <bob2> oh dear
[02:26] <ogra> GFXstyLER: try some boot options, like said on the laptops page i.e. noacpi nolapic noapic
[02:26] <bob2> who's running that bot?
[02:26] <Matt|> bob2, i don't know how to do it
[02:26] <ogra> bob2 ?
[02:26] <bob2> ogra: bonobo
[02:26] <ogra> bob2 wfx
[02:27] <ogra> bob2 he is off currently....
[02:27] <GFXstyLER> how do i run options :D ? im a little new to linux
[02:27] <Matt|> it would probably be good to have the bot off while testing
[02:27] <ogra> bob2 whats wrong....
[02:27] <bob2> yeah, I know
[02:27] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, you can edit the grub menu by pressing escape when it starts, then pressing E for edit, and then adding the lines which you find on that page
[02:28] <Xenguy> GFXstyLER: when you begin the install, press F1 for help (it says so right on the screen)
[02:28] <EfaistOs> hi
[02:28] <ogra> bob2 look, you complained about much typing....try bonobo: ati
[02:28] <EfaistOs> the xorg server is by default in ubuntu in hoary ?
[02:28] <Matt|> ogra, yeah but it is not working well yet. it should be testing elsewhere in my opinion
[02:28] <Matt|> EfaistOs, yes
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> and then when i have pressed F1 i press escape and then E for edit and then adding the lines?
[02:29] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, no my directions were if ubuntu is already installed. His directions were for running the cd
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> oh
[02:29] <bob2> ogra: oh, not complaining, just curious
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> sorry *g*
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> thanks i will try that later
[02:29] <ogra> bob2 oh, ok.....
[02:30] <giard> anyone know how to change your default language in ubuntu/gnome?
[02:30] <EfaistOs> Matt|, and is it better than the original X ?
[02:30] <Matt|> EfaistOs, dunno ;) it works ok
[02:30] <EfaistOs> and can we keep X if we dont want xorg
[02:30] <bob2> ogra: can anyone edit it's factoids?
[02:31] <ogra> bob2 me,wfx and plovs currently
[02:31] <GFXstyLER> does anyone know if the ati 3d accerleration works in ubuntu? because it doesnt work in other ditros for me, too
[02:31] <bob2> ogra: oh, suck
[02:31] <bob2> GFXstyLER: why doesn't it work in other distros?
[02:32] <ogra> bob2 want to add something ?
[02:32] <GFXstyLER> dont know, it only works with SuSe, no others
[02:32] <Matt|> bob2, i'm doing some browsing: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-January/msg00265.html
[02:32] <ogra> bonobo: ati
[02:32] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:32] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, i have the free ati drivers working ok here
[02:32] <supos> doesn't Ubuntu have modconf (as the one in Debian) or a similar utility
[02:32] <GFXstyLER> oh that sounds good :D
[02:32] <bob2> ogra: well, I would like  to have access to add and modify things
[02:32] <GFXstyLER> thanks
[02:33] <ogra> bob2: i dunno how to grant it, i think wfx has to do it....
[02:34] <bob2> ogra: do you know his/her email address?
[02:35] <EfaistOs> does xorg uses the same config files than X  ?
[02:35] <bob2> no
[02:35] <scoon> hey all, anyone have a TON of trouble with key mappings and xfree ?
[02:35] <EfaistOs> bob2, do u know what are they  ?
[02:35] <moyogo> EfaistOs: xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:36] <EfaistOs> thanks moyogo
[02:36] <ogra> bob2 ?
[02:36] <bob2> ogra: wfx's, so I can ask for access
[02:37] <ogra> bob2: see my priv msg
[02:37] <bob2> I don't see one
[02:38] <d0gmaz> the x.org.conf wich is used by ubuntu is in /etc/X11 right?
[02:38] <bob2> yes
[02:38] <bob2> if you need to edit it, tho, it's a bug
[02:39] <d0gmaz> i want to enable composite but it wont wor
[02:39] <d0gmaz> work
[02:40] <d0gmaz> No composite extension
[02:40] <bob2> there was a typo in daniel's announcement
[02:40] <d0gmaz> it says
[02:40] <bob2> did you install it?
[02:40] <GFXstyLER> wow linux seems to be a lot faster on my pc than on my notebook, even they are close the same system
[02:40] <d0gmaz> yes
[02:41] <moyogo> bob2: what was the typo?
[02:41] <clee> GFXstyLER: hard drive speed probably has a decent amount to do with that
[02:42] <bob2> enable instead of enabled
[02:42] <bob2> iirc
[02:42] <d0gmaz> bob2, i added these things to my xorg.conf http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using%20the%20Composite%20extension
[02:42] <clee> bob2: did you hear the word? I spread about 30 Ubuntu CDs to my Red Hat peers.
[02:43] <GFXstyLER> yes the harddrive of the pc is much faster, maybe thats the reason
[02:43] <bob2> clee: hah, awesome.  any word back yet?
[02:43] <clee> bob2: not yet. initial impressions of the packaging were very positive though.
[02:43] <bob2> clee: careful you don't get in trouble ;-)
[02:44] <bob2> d0gmaz: and what and where dod you get an error?
[02:44] <clee> bob2: heh, are you kidding me? dude, you guys are on Product Management's radar now ;)
[02:44] <d0gmaz> when i run xcompmgr
[02:44] <d0gmaz> No composite extension
[02:44] <ogra> clee: hehe
[02:44] <Gwildor> i HAVE NOT installed the fglrx ati drivers, i am now on hoary, and xorg, is it too late to install them, the how to's are for xfree
[02:45] <bob2> clee: haha
[02:45] <clee> bob2: I'm serious, btw. Donald Fischer, one of the guys in PM, actually has both a copy of your x86 Warty CD set and the PPC install disc
[02:45] <bob2> d0gmaz: can you put up your xorg.conf up somewhere?
[02:46] <d0gmaz> yea gimme a sec
[02:46] <ogra> bob2 /join #ogra
[02:46] <bob2> clee: woah, wow
[02:46] <bob2> clee: do you think we're seen as up against fedora or rhel or both?
[02:47] <clee> bob2: right now? not sure. I'm willing to bet that I'll be called in on a meeting about it if it's deemed a threat to RHEL.
[02:47] <clee> bob2: I personally see you guys as the RHEL to Debian's Fedora
[02:49] <d0gmaz> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/119702 here it is
[02:49] <bob2> clee: hmmmm, very interesting
[02:49] <clee> bob2: yeah, well, we'll see how it goes :)
[02:49] <clee> bob2: I handed them out yesterday, so maybe I'll have some feedback on Monday
[02:49] <leonel> how can I get  hoary  ?
[02:50] <usual> change warty in sources.list
[02:50] <usual> to hoary
[02:50] <leonel> thanks
[02:50] <bob2> leonel: install warty, move to haory.  or try out the alpha lpah lpha cds colin made last week
[02:50] <clee> bob2: of course, I'm sure you can't really say in detail, but would you agree more with my assessment? or would you say otherwise? re the RHEL/Fedora outlook.
[02:50] <bob2> clee: ah, right
[02:51] <d0gmaz> pretty weird no gui ftp client on a standard install
[02:51] <mtl> hmm
[02:51] <b_e_n_z> d0gmaz, not weird
[02:51] <mtl> apt-get install gftp
[02:51] <d0gmaz> yea i know
[02:52] <d0gmaz> but you got a whole office suite but no ftp client
[02:52] <b_e_n_z> d0gmaz, you do know that there's firefox right?
[02:52] <d0gmaz> yes
[02:52] <b_e_n_z> d0gmaz, and in the URL you can type ftp://
[02:52] <d0gmaz> but i cant upload or can i?
[02:53] <bob2> clee: hm...ubuntu is going hard on the community side of things, too, to create a strong community as well.  but at the moment, debian is very much our backbone.
[02:55] <jcspray> d0gmaz: nautilus can do ftp.
[02:56] <clee> bob2: well, the thing is, Fedora is going that way. the problem really is that it was announced and forced out prematurely; the infrastructure for it being a community project was never in place
[02:57] <clee> bob2: but there's a CVS server which (if it hasn't been announced yet) is going to be made public soon
[02:57] <ogra> d0gmaz: if you want it the "old" way sudo apt-get install gftp
[02:57] <bob2> clee: ah, that is a good start
[02:57] <ogra> d0gmaz: but i would also suggest nautilus, its pretty cool
[02:58] <bob2> clee: there seems to have been a fair bit of disappointment with how fedora's community aspect has been delt with so far
[02:58] <clee> no more than from internally, trust me
[02:58] <clee> I don't think that a lot of people grok this about RH
[02:58] <clee> but we flame eachother and bitch and complain *way* more than the outside does about us
[02:58] <jcspray> there's all this neat stuff in nautilus that's too hidden.   But Fedora right now, at least within Red Hat, is mostly a one-man show. So it's amazing (to me anyway) just how far it's already come
[03:03] <slightly> Hello
[03:03] <jcspray> b_e_n_z: sure, it's useful, it's good functionality.  What I'm saying is that someone new to GNOME is going to scan through the applications menu for a cd burning app, not see one, and assume there isn't such functionality.
[03:03] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: gloin_ ogra supos -- the 'vesa' driver worked (for X4 on S3 Trio vid card) !  Even more amazingly is that this GNOME desktop actually seems to run not badly on a P-233 with ~100Mb RAM (must be the 2.6 kernel?)
[03:04] <Xenguy> anyhow - w00t! :-)
[03:04] <ogra> hehe
[03:04] <Lathiat> Xenguy: Yeh i run GNOME on a P266 with 192mb ram (laptop)
[03:04] <bob2> clee: hrm, I didn't realise it was like that, it seemed it was intended as a major corporate thrust
[03:04] <slightly> I'm dual-booting Ubuntu and OS X on a powerbook, and I want to delete the Ubuntu install and restart it. However, OS X can't read the Ubuntu volume. Any ideas how I rectify this?
[03:04] <Xenguy> Lathiat: I was expecting bloat-city, y'know?
[03:04] <Lathiat> Xenguy: its the roam that gets it
[03:04] <Lathiat> *ram
[03:04] <clee> bob2: heh. the rest of the company tends to take a while to catch up to the PR department.
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: :)
[03:04] <Lathiat> cus i have 192mb ram, its fine
[03:04] <clee> bob2: those guys have big mouths. :/
[03:05] <Xenguy> Thanks again you guys - success
[03:05] <Xenguy> Lathiat: yeah, RAM always helps
[03:05] <Lathiat> n13AxX
[03:06] <Lathiat> gah
[03:06] <bob2> slightly: just reinstall it
[03:06] <bob2> slightly: tell the partition tool in ubuntu to format the existing ubuntu partition
[03:06] <Xenguy> Lathiat: time to change your password d00d :P
[03:06] <bob2> clee: hah, right
[03:06] <Lathiat> Xenguy: good thing it wasnt all of it, but yes :)
[03:06] <usual> haha
[03:06] <Xenguy> quick ;-)
[03:06] <bob2> clee: that lack is one of our advantages for now then ;-)
[03:06] <slightly> hm, so I can reinstall Ubuntu from Ubuntu itself?
[03:07] <bob2> slightly: no, when you boot the cd
[03:07] <Lathiat> i blame jamesh
[03:07] <slightly> ah, I didn't do it from CD, I dl'edit
[03:07] <Lathiat> because i was editing gnome-autogen.sh to take --force out from automake
[03:07] <slightly> biab
[03:07] <Lathiat> and needed my rootpw :)
[03:07] <usual> what's up with this log entry
[03:07] <usual> Nov 13 16:09:28 localhost sshd[12015] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for adsl-131.103.46.info.com.ph failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
[03:08] <Lathiat> usual: ignore that, iirc it means the reverse/forward dns of an ip werent the same, could be wrong?
[03:08] <usual> Lathiat, yea, i thought so also, but it see's it as a break in
[03:08] <Lathiat> usual: its just a warning
[03:09] <Lathiat> i.e. if they arent the same someone coudl be doing dodgy things
[03:09] <ChibiFS> :D Rawkin.
[03:10] <gloin_> ubuntu runs really lightweight on pretty much any hardware platform from what I see
[03:10] <gloin_> one of the reasons I like it =]
[03:10] <littlegreenman> how can i under ubuntu see what hardware I am running?
[03:10] <gloin_> cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz @ 2.666 GHz | Cache size: 512 KB]
[03:10] <gloin_> heh
[03:10] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: are you running gnome2 tho :)
[03:11] <bob2> littlegreenman: which hardware?
[03:11] <littlegreenman> because you guys are discussing on what machine you are running ubuntu
[03:11] <ogra> littlegreenman: deviace manager
[03:11] <gloin_> as a gamer, I've found that my framerate is astonishingly improved using ubuntu versus some of the commercial distros
[03:11] <ChibiFS> Hell no, XFCE.
[03:11] <ogra> -a
[03:11] <littlegreenman> and i don't feel like going to xp to see what i have
[03:11] <ChibiFS> I hate gnome :/
[03:11] <littlegreenman> ok gona try that
[03:11] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: i love gnome, not on that hardware tho :)
[03:11] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: and yes xfce rocks, i ran it on my p133 laptop w/64mb ram
[03:12] <Xenguy> ChibiFS: woo, no way :-) Ahh XFCE - nice.   I run Ubuntu on my main desktop, too.
[03:14] <eclipse> how do you exit gdm?
[03:14] <ogra> ChibiFS: you could have compiled there.....
[03:14] <Lathiat> eclipse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:14] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: each to his own
[03:14] <eclipse> thnx Lathiat
[03:14] <ogra> ChibiFS: and then just copy it over
[03:14] <Lathiat> anyone know what the *current* cvsroot for libburn is?
[03:14] <ChibiFS> Hehe, Yes, I could have :P
[03:14] <gloin_> littlegreenman: the file Lathiat sent you to will have to have the file extension renamed from "pls" to "pl" in order for it to work
[03:14] <ChibiFS> But this is more fun.
[03:14] <Lathiat> so many versions of all these projects elated to coaster
[03:14] <eclipse> that will end Xserver, right?
[03:14] <gloin_> nice hack to get the file to download rather than execute on the webserver =]
[03:14] <Lathiat> gloin_: i did say that :)
[03:15] <littlegreenman> ok, goona try ... :D
[03:15] <ogra> *grins*
[03:15] <gloin_> oh
[03:15] <gloin_> lol
[03:15] <dargo> somebody uses rythymbox in UBUNTU?
[03:15] <Lathiat> dargo: i do
[03:15] <ogra> dargo: yep
[03:15] <Lathiat> dargo: wouldnt use anything else :)
[03:15] <ChibiFS> By the by, I need to get rid of these install packages. Anyone remember the command to get rid of all ll
[03:15] <ChibiFS> the debs that apt got?
[03:15] <dargo> sorry for my english...:P
[03:15] <gloin_> SysInfo: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz 2666.903 MHz | Bogomips: 5292.03 | Mem: 326/504M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 146.94G Free: 94.11G | Procs: 76 | Uptime: 8 hrs 19 mins 25 secs | Load: 0.05 0.05 0.01  | Vpenis: 52.7 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 280.82M Out: 54.58M
[03:15] <gloin_> Sensors: HDD:
[03:15] <gloin_> wow
[03:15] <gloin_> it works!
[03:15] <ogra> ChibiFS: sudo apt-get clean
[03:15] <gloin_> sorry for the spam =[
[03:15] <thoreauputic> ChibiFS: sudo apt-get clean
[03:15] <eclipse> how do u exit X?
[03:15] <dargo> I have a problem with mp3, some work and other no
[03:16] <gloin_> eclipse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:16] <ChibiFS> dargo- apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[03:16] <bob2> ChibiFS: no
[03:16] <ogra> bonobo: mp3
[03:16] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[03:16] <dargo> there's not plugin installed to handle...
[03:16] <ChibiFS> :o ?
[03:16] <eclipse> i just type that and nothing happened
[03:16] <ogra> dargo: look wht the bot said.....(bonobo)
[03:16] <ChibiFS> Isn't gstreamer-mad the mpeg libraries for GS?
[03:16] <gloin_> eclipse: did you prepend "sudo"?
[03:16] <bob2> ChibiFS: rhythmbox etc want gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:17] <dargo> ok ogra
[03:17] <gloin_> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:17] <ChibiFS> He said he was using rhythmbox
[03:17] <ChibiFS> Didn't he?
[03:17] <dargo> ChibiFS, that package already I have installed it
[03:17] <ChibiFS> I can't scroll up. :P
[03:17] <littlegreenman> ok guys, help needed... I am obviously connected to the internet cause I am talking to you, but my internet is down anywhere else... firefox doesn't go anywhere, evolution doesn't fetch my POP email, and ping on the terminal does not work..... :(
[03:17] <gloin_> littlegreenman: how are you connected?
[03:17] <eclipse> gloin_, no :)
[03:18] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: is this on separate machines?
[03:18] <eclipse> ok
[03:18] <littlegreenman> no same machine
[03:18] <gloin_> eclipse: how did you start X?
[03:18] <littlegreenman> broadband
[03:18] <Lathiat> thats odd
[03:18] <gloin_> littlegreenman: do you have a router in front of your computer?
[03:18] <Lathiat> dunno how you are ircing if you cant do anything else
[03:18] <littlegreenman> yes gloin
[03:18] <eclipse> it's automatic
[03:18] <ChibiFS> killall gdm
[03:18] <gloin_> Lathiat: I think his DNS server died
[03:18] <littlegreenman> i am using x-chat
[03:18] <ChibiFS> :
[03:18] <gloin_> littlegreenman: try this
[03:18] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: ping <IP_ADDRESS> on your terminal
[03:18] <littlegreenman> sec
[03:18] <ogra> littlegreenman: can you ping ip adresses
[03:19] <littlegreenman> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=39 time=412 ms
[03:19] <gloin_> yeah
[03:19] <gloin_> ok
[03:19] <littlegreenman> yes i can
[03:19] <ogra> heh
[03:19] <gloin_> littlegreenman: edit /etc/resolv.conf temporarily and add in the front "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[03:19] <usual> anyone want a gmail invite?
[03:19] <ogra> sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[03:19] <sirjackalot> question: is there a good plugin for mozilla-firefox to play embedded avi's,mpgs and realplayer content? like from stupidvideos.com and so forth? i tried the mplayer-mozilla plugin but it doesn't do anything just sets there
[03:19] <usual> I got 6 new ones
[03:19] <gloin_> ogra: emacs owns gedit =P
[03:19] <littlegreenman> sec ogra
[03:19] <ChibiFS> Okay, I need to get out of here. This kernel isn't done yet. :/
[03:20] <ChibiFS> Anyone know of a good ncurses media player, by the way?
[03:20] <gloin_> lol
[03:20] <eclipse> by the way, where is the dir that u install the cursors?
[03:20] <ogra> workman
[03:20] <gloin_> there should be a vi VS emacs channel somewhere ogra
[03:21] <ogra> gloin_: i dont argue about that ;)
[03:21] <gloin_> no, because I'm right, ogra
[03:22] <thoreauputic> ogra, gloin_, http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[03:22] <ogra> heh
[03:23] <ogra> :)
[03:23] <gloin_> lol
[03:23] <gloin_> email dated 1991
[03:23] <gloin_> =]
[03:23] <thoreauputic> :D
[03:24] <gloin_> back when they used to say that EMACS stands for "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping"
[03:24] <clee> emacs. heh.
[03:24] <gloin_> 'cause a hotrod box had 8M RAM lol
[03:25] <ogra> bonobo: pnp.mousemat
[03:25] <bonobo> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9804.0/0930.html
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> hey
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> ;)
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> what do you think?
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MouseButtonsExtended
[03:26] <eclipse> where do i go to get gnome toaster?
[03:26] <gloin_> eclipse: you might be happier with k3b
[03:26] <clee> k3b RULES
[03:26] <supos> If a driver module was written for a 2.4 kernel, there are no chances of making it work in 2.6, right? (short of rewriting the thing of course)
[03:26] <b_e_n_z> eclipse, it is a bad cd burning program... still uses gtk (not gtk2)
[03:26] <clee> and I'm not just saying that because I'm a KDE developer.
[03:26] <ogra> bonobo: maxbuttons
[03:27] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MouseButtonsExtended
[03:27] <gloin_> k3b is easier to use than pretty much anything for any OS I've found
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:27] <eclipse> gloin_, but with k3b i can't burn ISO files
[03:27] <gloin_> clee: HUH?
[03:27] <gloin_> eclipse: yes you can
[03:27] <eclipse> how?
[03:27] <clee> gloin_: ...
[03:27] <b_e_n_z> eclipse, nautilus can burn ISO... just right click on it
[03:27] <clee> gloin_: hi, I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>who are you? :)
[03:27] <Lathiat> supos: drivers are portable, depending on the module, what it uses etc, with varying degrees of dificulty, alot has changed tho
[03:27] <eclipse> ok
[03:27] <b_e_n_z> eclipse, i mean right click on the ISO file
[03:27] <eclipse> ok thnx
[03:28] <gloin_> eclipse: in k3b: tools menu, CD, burn CD Image
[03:28] <mojo_>  I'm wondering whether the Font Viewer feature available in GNOME? I can view font using Ximian GNOME in NLD9.
[03:28] <gloin_> opens a browse dialogue
[03:28] <gloin_> clee: I'm nobody special, just a KDE user from the 1.x days =]
[03:28] <ogra> bonobo: kde
[03:28] <clee> gloin_: :)
[03:28] <bonobo> K Desktop Environment
[03:29] <eclipse> anybody in here using ubuntu hoary?
[03:29] <mojo_> KDE is getting too stuff recently
[03:29] <supos> Lathiat: It's a driver for an age old scanner. I've got the source, but before trying to compile it, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a hopeless project
[03:30] <Lathiat> supos: you wont be able to directly compile it
[03:31] <Lathiat> supos: there are quite a few changes, it wont be trivial
[03:32] <ogra> bonobo: gnome
[03:32] <bonobo> GNU Network Object Model Environment
[03:32] <supos> Lathiat: damn. I would have liked to make it work
[03:32] <ogra> supos: what kind of scanner ?
[03:33] <Lathiat> supos: you could, just not that easily :)
[03:33] <supos> ogra: A hp scanjet 5p - probably 10-12 years old :)
[03:33] <ogra> supos: scsi ?
[03:33] <supos> ogra: yeah
[03:34] <supos> ogra: with an isa scsi controller and all :)
[03:34] <ogra> oh, that gets hard
[03:35] <supos> ogra: I've got the controller detected and set up, I think
[03:35] <littlegreenman> :D finally!
[03:36] <ogra> supos: sounds good....dou you see it in the device manager ?
[03:36] <ogra> -u
[03:36] <ShadowHawk> I'm working on Wine's installation script, and it uses su, but ubuntu doesn't play well with that.  I'd like to run sudo, but other systems don't play well with that.  Is there an environment variable that says whether a system has a root user?  That way, I could check it and then determine which one to run.
[03:37] <supos> ogra: nope.
[03:37] <ogra> supos: the controller  ?
[03:37] <supos> ogra: nope, not either
[03:37] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: what it needs is distro detection
[03:38] <supos> ogra: isapnp does find the controller though, and I've loaded the proper module
[03:38] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: you can find out if a sysem is ubuntu by looking in /etc/lsb-release
[03:38] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: But aren't there other, non-ubuntu distros that get rid of the root user?  I'd like to not have to make a hack for each one.
[03:39] <ogra> supos: sudo modprobe sg ?
[03:39] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: you dont have a hack, you have a list of checks for the dstribution, and afaik ubuntu is the only to do this so far
[03:40] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: i mean you could check if the root user has a password, but you need to be root to do that :)
[03:40] <ShadowHawk> Perhaps there should be an addition to some standards base somewhere for distros like Ubuntu that don't have a root user, so I don't need to check for each one.
[03:40] <ogra> supos: man sane-hp says its supported :)
[03:40] <supos> ogra: does nothing
[03:40] <supos> ogra: I know
[03:41] <ogra> supos: nothing in the device manager?
[03:43] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: Can you help me with a shell command I can put in the script to check /etc/lsb-release?  The variables there aren't exported.
[03:43] <supos> ogra: no, not in the device manager, but lsmod shows sg, scsi_mod and sym53c416 (the card module)
[03:44] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: that doesnt matter
[03:44] <supos> ogra: /var/log/messages shows: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
[03:44] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: http://lathiat.bur.st/ubuntu.shs
[03:44] <supos> ogra: isapnp: Card 'SYM 53C416'
[03:45] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: broken link
[03:45] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: try again (it was uploading)
[03:46] <ogra> supos: no devices while the driver is loaded ?
[03:46] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: Thanks.
[03:46] <supos> ogra: nope
[03:49] <ogra> supos: sudo modprobe scanner ?
[03:50] <ogra> supos: oh, and: ls /dev/sg* ?
[03:52] <mdz> mojo_: applications, run application, fonts://
[03:52] <supos> modprobe scanner
[03:52] <supos> FATAL: Module scanner not found.
[03:53] <supos> ogra: I've got /dev/sg0
[03:54] <ogra> supos: great..... cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
[03:55] <supos> what are the pasting rules in here?
[03:56] <bob2> more than ~5, try #flood or pastebin
[03:56] <ogra> supos: see topic
[03:59] <supos> ogra: see #flood
[03:59] <ogra> looks great
[04:00] <ogra> supos: tried xsane ?
[04:00] <supos> ogra: problem is this: http://www.kirchgessner.net/sanehpfaq.html numer 8.
[04:00] <supos> ogra: yeah, xsane says no available scanners
[04:01] <chazwurth> hey, can someone tell me how much hard drive space is needed for a 'default' install of ubuntu?
[04:01] <bob2> 1.8GB
[04:01] <bob2> 1.2GB if you disable the archiv e copier
[04:02] <chazwurth> bob2: archive copier? what does that do?
[04:02] <bob2> it copies all the .debs off the cd to the hard drive
[04:02] <bob2> so they can (sometimes) be installed quicker
[04:02] <chazwurth> ah, I see. thanks, I should have enough space then :)
[04:04] <ogra> supos: if its seen in /proc/scsi/scsi it should work.....
[04:07] <Gwildor> i HAVE NOT installed the fglrx ati drivers, i am now on hoary, and xorg, is it too late to install them, the how to's are for xfree
[04:07] <bob2> do they work with x.org at all?
[04:07] <gloin_> Gwildor: they should be similar enough
[04:07] <supos> ogra: Hey - it _is_ working, xsane just couldn't find it. I installed sane from universe and told it manually to us /dev/sg0 and it works!
[04:07] <Lowry> hi all
[04:07] <Gwildor> bo2, that is what i am asking
[04:07] <gloin_> fire-gl is a pain
[04:07] <ogra> bob2: currently they still should
[04:08] <Gwildor> g;oin_, radeon 7000
[04:08] <ogra> supos: ;)
[04:08] <Gwildor> gloin, radeon 7000
[04:08] <gloin_> Gwildor: just use the default radeon module, you should be fine
[04:08] <ogra> supos: no need to compile in ubuntu
[04:08] <supos> ogra: :)
[04:08] <Gwildor> gloin_, well my fps is a bit lower in xorg, just trying to fix it
[04:08] <gloin_> heh
[04:08] <Lowry> Looking at http://geekounet.org/powerbook/driplusxv.html
[04:09] <gloin_> Gwildor: it's hard to imagine anything BUT fps issues with a 7k
[04:09] <Lowry> Did ppc users get the mach64 branch?
[04:09] <Gwildor> gloin_, well i was getting 4k+, now i getting around 2.5k
[04:10] <Lathiat> supos: :)
[04:10] <gloin_> yikes...
[04:10] <Gwildor> ?
[04:10] <gloin_> significant difference
[04:10] <Gwildor> yes
[04:11] <gloin_> how about ingame?
[04:11] <Gwildor> idk, havent tried any yet
[04:11] <GFXstyLER> hi again
[04:11] <Gwildor> ET is downloading atm
[04:11] <gloin_> aye
[04:11] <gloin_> speaking of which
[04:11] <Gwildor> gloin_, installin tuxracer to test atm
[04:11] <gloin_> bbl
[04:12] <GFXstyLER> i have 2 problems
[04:12] <GFXstyLER> 1. how can i change the text color of xchat? i cannot see anything when typing because the text is too bright
[04:12] <supos> now I don't have to tell my parents that Linux couldn't make their scanner work, that would have been so humiliating, after I finally convinced them to switch to Linux from Windows :)
[04:13] <ogra> GFXstyLER: look at the mirc colors option in the settings
[04:13] <GFXstyLER> 2.i havent set a password to the root account, and i dont know how to login to root now :D very stupid of me
[04:13] <GFXstyLER> thx ogra
[04:13] <ogra> GFXstyLER: foreground you wnt to change
[04:14] <ogra> +a
[04:14] <bob2> GFXstyLER: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:14] <bob2> GFXstyLER: you don't need to login as root
[04:14] <GFXstyLER> for the sources.list i have to login as root, otherwise i cannot edit it
[04:14] <ogra> GFXstyLER: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[04:14] <littlegreenman> :D
[04:14] <GFXstyLER> thx
[04:15] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[04:15] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[04:15] <Gwildor> anyway to see my fps while playing tuxracer?, even if it is terminal output?
[04:15] <ogra> heh
[04:15] <supos> ogra: Now how should I set permissions on /dev/sg0 so that users can scan without sudoing?
[04:15] <Lathiat> supos: you can add a ruel to udev
[04:16] <GFXstyLER> 404 page does not exist ;)
[04:16] <supos> Lathiat: udev
[04:16] <supos> ?
[04:16] <Lathiat> its what manages /dev
[04:16] <Lathiat> ls -la /dev/sg
[04:16] <ogra> supos: look for the group sg0 is owned by
[04:16] <Lathiat> migh tfind it has a group you can add users to or whatever
[04:16] <dopey> or sgid the application
[04:16] <ogra> dopey: bah
[04:17] <Lathiat> dopey: ipv6 miniconf was rejected :(
[04:17] <dopey> Lathiat: ouch.
[04:17] <Lathiat> oh well be nice not to be running around and just attend as an attendee this year
[04:18] <Lathiat> hopefully i can save up enough
[04:18] <ogra> supos: should be cdrom
[04:18] <Lathiat> i doubt my papers will be accepted either
[04:18] <Lathiat> but i kinda expected that
[04:18] <Lathiat> hence me sayign it :)
[04:18] <chazwurth> hrm, so user accounts have sudo access to all commands on the system in ubuntu?
[04:18] <leonel> where can I get  a deb  or repository for   Firefox 1.0 for Ubuntu ?
[04:18] <dopey> Lathiat: why ?
[04:18] <supos> ogra: disk
[04:18] <Lathiat> dopey: too many applications apparently, and i dont think they like me too much cus im not linux related enough
[04:18] <ogra> supos: sudo adduser supos disk
[04:19] <nanotech> i'm trying to complie some source and the output from ./configure states that i'm missing glib libraries; the package manager show that i have plenty of glib libraries installed (ie, libglib). What do i need to do?
[04:19] <Lathiat> dopey: not exactly a big figure in the community or anything, and at the time theyll be looking at it my project doesnt have a release (spent the last 2 weeks tackling linuxisms with multicast, gah)
[04:19] <mdz> chazwurth: no, only the initial user added during installation
[04:19] <Lathiat> altho my paper is more based around the howl project
[04:19] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[04:19] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[04:19] <ogra> chazwurth: see this page
[04:19] <Lathiat> and how it works in general, why its cool, etc
[04:20] <GFXstyLER> bonobo the page is not existing :D
[04:20] <bonobo> GFXstyLER: Error: 'the' is not a valid command.
[04:20] <dopey> Lathiat: rough, mate.
[04:20] <GFXstyLER> huh ? what?
[04:20] <dopey> Lathiat: on the other hand, more time for drinking :)\
[04:20] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[04:20] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:20] <ogra> sorry
[04:20] <Lathiat> dopey: i wont be legal but its never stopped me before :)
[04:20] <nanotech> anyone else running to my problem? has anyone else have this library installed? i don't see glib1.2.0 or higher on the package manager
[04:20] <dopey> Lathiat: 'cactly :)\
[04:20] <Lathiat> dopey: hel went on a pub crawl nearly 2 years ago when i was 14 with the LCA03 organisers :)
[04:21] <Lathiat> dopey: only got stopped at 1/7 places, a guy just said he was my father :)
[04:21] <dopey> heh
[04:21] <dopey> well, from what i recall, you are allowed various places with a guardian
[04:21] <ogra> GFXstyLER: bonobo is a bot
[04:21] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:21] <supos> ogra: done that, but still won't allow it. Will I need to log out and back in?
[04:21] <Lathiat> your allowed anywhere usually
[04:21] <Lathiat> there are some exceptions
[04:21] <Lathiat> theres a pub here my cousin works at that wouldnt let me in with my mother
[04:21] <Lathiat> a bit harsh...
[04:21] <dopey> and if there are $lots of legal age, one person under is generally ignored
[04:21] <ogra> supos: try it
[04:21] <dopey> odd
[04:22] <Lathiat> dopey: yeh
[04:22] <Gwildor> anyway to see my fps while playing tuxracer?, even if it is terminal output?
[04:22] <dopey> but then, the licencing laws are pretty odd
[04:22] <Lathiat> dopey: mmhmm
[04:22] <Lathiat> man went to have dinner at a pub last night, restauant doesnt open saturday nights :( had to goto some dodgy asian place
[04:22] <nanotech> has anyone been able to compile software with this distro?
[04:22] <chazwurth> okay, so is there an easy way to disable the first account's acces? is it just in /etc/sudoers, or does ubuntu do something different?
[04:22] <Lathiat> chazwurth: just /etc/sudoers
[04:23] <chazwurth> Lathiat: thanks
[04:23] <dopey> edit it with the 'visudo' program
[04:23] <ogra> chazwurth: will bring a lot of trouble with the config tools in gnome.....
[04:25] <Lathiat> dopey: mm i should remember that :)
[04:25] <Lathiat> dopey: so, ever done any multicast programming in linux? :0
[04:25] <chazwurth> ogra: that's allright. even if I decide to use those, I'd like to set things up such that the root password is prompted for rather than the user's. also, there are plenty of commands that would be available by default that have no gnome config tools.
[04:25] <dopey> Lathiat: so far, avoided it. closest i came was setting up ganglia
[04:25] <Lathiat> works fine if you say i want all multicast traffic, as soon as you tell it what interface you want no traffic comes in anymore :( gah
[04:26] <Lathiat> and what i like, under ipv4 you tell it the IP of the interface, for ipv6 you tell it the interface index
[04:26] <Lathiat> go consistency!
[04:26] <Lathiat> this is so not going to be portable
[04:26] <ogra> chazwurth: they all use gksudo, i heard your changes in the Computermenu get reverted
[04:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> hey bob2, are you there?
[04:27] <ogra> chazwurth: ...on next login
[04:27] <chazwurth> ogra: hmm. I'll have to play around with it once I finally install ubuntu :) mostly, I just don't want the user account to have access to things like fdisk or mk[whatever] fs :)
[04:27] <Lathiat> chazwurth: They wont
[04:27] <Lathiat> chazwurth: well, they can use mkfs, but it wont be much good on anything but a file
[04:27] <Lathiat> chazwurth: they cant write to system partitions, etc
[04:29] <ogra> chazwurth: they are only able to use the gnome tools or, if they know what sudo is use the command with sudo/passwd
[04:29] <chazwurth> ah, ok
[04:29] <ogra> chazwurth: and btw, only the first user got sudo access ;)
[04:30] <iminj> exit
[04:30] <nanotech> also, i was wondering why during my apt-get upgrade that a few packages were held back
[04:30] <Lathiat> nanotech: you need to apt-get dist-upgrade, also if you have removed ubuntu-desktop (i.e. by installing totem-xine and other things), thatl also be part of it
[04:31] <chazwurth> gotta run (finally done at work :) thanks for the information
[04:32] <nanotech> i'm not following; when i installed totem, and xine (weren't these part of the package mamager) i removed the ubuntu desktop? what does this mean? the ubunutu desktop? link me to a doc plz
[04:34] <zenwhen> its a meta package that is of no real use and can be removed without harm
[04:34] <nanotech> the ubuntu desktop?
[04:34] <zenwhen> yes
[04:34] <zenwhen> that package
[04:34] <zenwhen> it is not the ubuntu desktop
[04:35] <nanotech> i thought ubuntu installed the gnome desktop 2.8
[04:35] <zenwhen> indeed it does
[04:35] <nanotech> are you telling me that ubuntu has it's own?
[04:35] <zenwhen> but that is not what that package contains
[04:35] <nanotech> fully independant of gnome 2.8?
[04:35] <zenwhen> that package contains some dependency info that is of no use
[04:35] <zenwhen> no
[04:35] <zenwhen> i am speaking of that package
[04:35] <wasabi> this conversation is funny.
[04:35] <zenwhen> yes
[04:35] <wasabi> ubuntu-desktop is a PACKAGE
[04:35] <stuNNed> is 'ati' driver in xorg.conf same as 'radeon' driver?
[04:35] <zenwhen> hurts head
[04:35] <zenwhen> ;-;
[04:35] <wasabi> PACKAGE. not "desktop".
[04:36] <wasabi> It depends on everything that should be preinstalled.
[04:36] <zenwhen> thx
[04:36] <wasabi> It is there to make it easier for the installer to install everything it should... it only installs "ubuntu-desktop", and everything else is pulled along.
[04:36] <zenwhen> my head was gonna go atomic in a sec or two
[04:36] <zenwhen> ;-;
[04:37] <nanotech> ok, it's a package, and installing other software that may conflict with this removed it?
[04:37] <zenwhen> i think that package should totally be hidden
[04:37] <wasabi> correct.
[04:37] <nanotech> ok.
[04:37] <dopey> isnt 'ubuntu-desktop'
[04:37] <dopey> isnt 'ubuntu-desktop' both a package and a task ?
[04:37] <wasabi> I think it's fine. Just deal with it.
[04:37] <zenwhen> i think its a fine way of doing things but it confuses people.
[04:37] <nanotech> so when i install xine, and totem...i can't get mplayer in my apt-get calls?
[04:38] <wasabi> people shouldn't be in synaptic dealing with packages directly imo
[04:38] <wasabi> but as of now, they are.
[04:38] <zenwhen> oh
[04:38] <wasabi> somebody's got a Add/Remove type capplet in the works.
[04:38] <zenwhen> whys that
[04:38] <wasabi> Very simple. Lists nice names.
[04:38] <wasabi> not technical package and dependency info
[04:38] <zenwhen> cool.
[04:38] <dopey> nanotech: I believe mplayer has licencing problems/disputes, which currently restrict distribution
[04:39] <zenwhen> i just popped into the debian unstable rpeos and grabbed it
[04:39] <zenwhen> lol
[04:39] <nanotech> if you remove these functions from the distro, pwople can't learn how to use package management
[04:39] <wasabi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:39] <zenwhen> repos*
[04:39] <wasabi> nanotech, remove what?
[04:39] <nanotech> "people shouldn't be in synaptic dealing with packages directly imo"
[04:39] <wasabi> nanotech, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:39] <wasabi> nanotech, never said remove anywhere in there.
[04:41] <nanotech> then clarify what you meant by that statement, if you could...why do you believe this? and what do you have planned on changing things for the furture
[04:41] <wasabi> *I* have nothing planned.
[04:41] <nanotech> ao da
[04:41] <nanotech> er...so da
[04:42] <wasabi> ANd I ment exactly what I said. General users should not be digging around in depedencies and apt-sources and the like, tracking down missing dependencys and resolving conflicts.
[04:42] <nanotech> ok...would you mind letting the room in on why you feel that users should be in synaptic dealing with packages directly?
[04:42] <nanotech> nm
[04:42] <Lowry> So a mac os x update option?
[04:43] <wasabi> Lowry, apt-get install update-manager upgrade-notifier
[04:43] <wasabi> Hoary.
[04:43] <wasabi> THere will be a nice friendly Add/Remove dialog.
[04:44] <zenwhen> wasabi, general users should be in synaptic breaking the hell out of their installs so they learn how not to do so
[04:44] <wasabi> Where you select something like "Evolution Mail Client"
[04:44] <nanotech> wasabi, i felt that a major part of growing with your Linux box was breaking various dependencies and figuring out how to remedy the problems.
[04:44] <zenwhen> anyway... its not so easy to break your install
[04:44] <zenwhen> in synaptic
[04:44] <nanotech> i seriously love this shit, and want to learn more
[04:44] <wasabi> Then do so.
[04:44] <wasabi> My mom has no want nor need to.
[04:44] <zenwhen> wasabi, is you mother in this channel?
[04:45] <wasabi> My mother wouldn't be on IRC>
[04:45] <wasabi> BUt she is running ubuntu.
[04:45] <zenwhen> if so, is your mom nanotech?
[04:45] <nanotech> hell no.
[04:45] <zenwhen> because you sem to be telling him that he should youse his computer as your mother does.
[04:45] <zenwhen> seem*
[04:45] <zenwhen> use*
[04:45] <zenwhen> arg
[04:45] <zenwhen> typo city
[04:45] <wasabi> Did I tell him anything?
[04:45] <wasabi> I don't remember doing so.
 ANd I ment exactly what I said. General users should not be digging around in depedencies and apt-sources and the like, tracking down missing dependencys and resolving conflicts.
[04:46] <zenwhen> Then you were speaking of someone.
[04:46] <wasabi> You consider him a general user?
[04:46] <nanotech> ok...how can i complie source with this distro?
[04:46] <zenwhen> Why should general users not actually learn linux?
[04:46] <wasabi> nanotech, same as with any other distro. Specific question?
[04:46] <zenwhen> nanotech, install build essential
[04:46] <nanotech> and install various packages not listed in the universe
[04:46] <wasabi> zenwhen, because then they won't use it.
[04:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> I'm trying out Fedora - and I have to say, I'm not fond of it compared to Ubuntu
[04:46] <zenwhen> wasabi, then they shouldnt use it
[04:46] <nanotech> wasabi, one sec
[04:47] <nanotech> let me find the line i stated eairler in the room
[04:47] <zenwhen> LifesizeKenDoll, with good reason. It offers nothing over ubuntu but bloat.
[04:47] <wasabi> zenwhen, I think you should read the About page on the web site.
[04:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> Ubuntu seemed to be a lot better integrated, simpler, better package management
[04:47] <zenwhen> wasabi, um... I dont see in there where it says that people shouldnt learn how to use linux.
[04:47] <wasabi> Ubuntu is a Linux distribution that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM)
[04:47] <nanotech> (12:19:07) nanotech: i'm trying to complie some source and the output from ./configure states that i'm missing glib libraries; the package manager show that i have plenty of glib libraries installed (ie, libglib).  Thats a pretty grim outlook on humanity.
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> I've been using it for about 2 weeks-ish
[04:48] <wasabi> nanotech, you need the development headers.
[04:48] <wasabi> nanotech, in packages postfixed with -dev
[04:48] <wasabi> specifcally, libglib2.0-dev
[04:48] <Lathiat> nanotech: apt-get install gnome-devel should get anything youd need for a gnome/glib/gtk program
[04:48] <nanotech> i believe that i have that installed...will double check
[04:48] <nanotech> lathiat i'll do that
[04:49] <supos> Lathiat: It works like a charm now---thanks for all the help
[04:49] <nanotech> i have libglib-dev2.0 installed
[04:49] <nanotech> pervious to the error
[04:49] <Lathiat> supos: nps
[04:49] <wasabi> My view of ubuntu, that I get by reading the web page, and having a general understanding of the software they are working on, is that a goal is to be usable by the masses.
[04:49] <zenwhen> I dont assume th masses are stupid.
[04:50] <zenwhen> the*
[04:50] <wasabi> Stupid?
[04:50] <wasabi> Unconcerned.
[04:50] <zenwhen> Thats where we differ.
[04:50] <wasabi> THe vast majority of people do not use their computer to be taught something.
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> I can't believe I wasted 4 CD's *sigh*
[04:50] <wasabi> THey use it to get a job done.
[04:50] <Lathiat> LifesizeKenDoll: 4 cds on what?
[04:50] <zenwhen> How hard is synaptic to use?
[04:50] <wasabi> You know, browse the web, send email, write a document.
[04:50] <wasabi> zenwhen, amazingly.
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lathiat: I wanted to check out Fedora Core 3
[04:50] <zenwhen> it requires a bare minimum of interaction.
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lathiat: I miss my Ubuntu
[04:50] <Lathiat> LifesizeKenDoll: heh
[04:50] <wasabi> zenwhen, these vast majority I speak of double click on a .exe to install a program and have it walk them through it.
[04:51] <wasabi> Step by step.
[04:51] <wasabi> Without any understanding of what is happening.
[04:51] <zenwhen> So in order for Linux to become useable by the masses, it must become Windows?
[04:51] <nanotech> that spoonfeeding will be ubuntu's downfall
[04:51] <Lowry> burn - install - detect -work - like mac users have had for years
[04:51] <nanotech> people hate that shit
[04:51] <wasabi> zenwhen, if I ment that, I would have said that.
[04:51] <zenwhen> Thats a grim outlook on OSS.
[04:51] <wasabi> Grim outlook?
[04:51] <nanotech> and i can't stand working with people like that
[04:52] <nanotech> raise the bar for us a little
[04:52] <wasabi> That we should try to cater to the population?
[04:52] <zenwhen> Well what you are speaking of would be moving Ubuntu towards being more and more Windows like.
[04:52] <wasabi> Geeze.
[04:52] <wasabi> Fooled me.
[04:52] <wasabi> I thought software was ment to be used.
[04:52] <nanotech> us=meaning that i've somehow taken the voice of these "masses" here
[04:52] <wasabi> I'm not going to compare it to anything else.
[04:52] <zenwhen> Id just stop using it if they started hiding things like synaptic for fear that the "retarded lazy masses" might get confused.
[04:52] <wasabi> Windows or OS X or whatever.
[04:52] <wasabi> But a focus is on usability.
[04:53] <ogra_dogwalk> bonobo: ubuntu
[04:53] <bonobo> Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning humanity to others . Ubuntu also means I am what I am because of who we all are . The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world."
[04:53] <nanotech> surely windoze usebility models aren't the prime render for ubuntu's future...fucking ludicris
[04:53] <Lowry> Getting work done on hardware you have - old or new
[04:53] <LifesizeKenDoll> I heart my Ubuntu
[04:53] <supos> ogra_dogwalk: It's working perfectly now--- thanks for all the help!
[04:53] <mojo_> Hi all ppl
[04:54] <mojo_> I just pack all newest Industrial theme from NLD9
[04:54] <wasabi> This conversation is over. I won't have people putting words into my mouth.
[04:54] <mojo_> the file is 17MB
[04:54] <mojo_> I need a host
[04:54] <mojo_> anyone has one?
[04:54] <ogra> supos: youre welcome
[04:54] <ogra> ;)
[04:54] <zenwhen> I love Ubuntu the way it is. It doesnt need to be dumbed down. My complete computer newb cousin manages to use synaptic fine.
[04:54] <supos> ogra: and now I'm off to bed, then it's the ancient isa sound card tomorrow :)
[04:54] <zenwhen> He can barely use windows.
[04:55] <wasabi> zenwhen, obviously you missed the part about GNome already being dumbed down.
[04:55] <nanotech> bonobo, i've read the desmond tutu text offered from the ubuntu site...there's no correlation between the FSF and the theology other than connanical's prime Mr. money bags lives in S. Africa
[04:55] <bonobo> nanotech: Error: "i've" is not a valid command.
[04:55] <ogra> supos: id like to attend this one....
[04:55] <supos> lol
[04:55] <ogra> nanotech: bonobo is our url bot
[04:55] <nanotech> and any other software philosophy
[04:55] <zenwhen> Wasabi, it doesnt need to be dumbed down further. How about we disable right click?
[04:55] <nanotech> :P
[04:55] <nanotech> oh
[04:55] <zenwhen> Dont want people getting confused.
[04:55] <wasabi> zenwhen, read the GNome HIG.
[04:56] <Qo-noS> wasabi: that's what led to MS installs being so proned to virii/worm/trojan attacks along with the exploits i.e. dumbing down an OS to cater to one's perception of the "typically Stupid Joe/Mary Sixpack" allows for the germination of laziness and reliance on others to do what is really one's (i.e. the end-users' job i.e. basic housekeeping to securing one's install. User-Friendliness i.e. Dumbed-down user friendliness Vs Dilligence (mus
[04:56] <Qo-noS> t be equiiped with the KNOWLEDE i.e. POWER of KNOWLEDGE), I'll pick KNOWLEDGE/DILLIGENCE ;)
[04:56] <wasabi> zenwhen,
[04:56] <wasabi> Popup menus provide shortcuts to those menu items that are applicable only to the currently selected object. As such, they are sometimes known as "context menus" or "shortcut menus". A popup menu is shown when the user right-clicks on an object, or selects the object and presses Shift-F10.
[04:56] <zenwhen> I have. it didnt dsay anything about copying add/remove programs fom windows and hiding everything that reswmbles linux from the user.
[04:56] <nanotech> i agree qo-noS
[04:56] <wasabi> Since the user may not be aware of their presence, do not provide functions that are only accessible from popup menus unless you are confident that your target users will know how to use popup menus.
[04:57] <supos> ogra: yeah well, if you're hanging out in here tomorrow (or whatever time of day you have in about 6-7 hours) you just might
[04:57] <ogra> supos: fine....
[04:57] <ogra> supos: think it will be a bit later though
[04:57] <supos> night folks
[04:57] <ogra> night
[04:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> Oh blessed Human theme, how I missed thee in thy lack of craptacularness
[04:58] <zenwhen> wasabi, that doesnt point towards disabling right click.
[04:58] <zenwhen> Thats common sense there in the HIG.
[04:58] <wasabi> zenwhen, good. Because I never said to disable synaptic.
[04:58] <wasabi> I also never said remove.
[04:58] <MoonSweep> wan warty and hoary be mixed up like stable/testing/unstable in debian ?
[04:58] <MoonSweep> s/wan/can
[04:58] <zenwhen> I just think you give the "masses" too little credit.
[04:59] <zenwhen> Thats all I am saying.
[04:59] <wasabi> zenwhen, I work with the "masses" daily.
[04:59] <ogra> MoonSweep: you shouldnt
[04:59] <wasabi> I am quite aware of them.
[04:59] <MoonSweep> ogra: why ?
[04:59] <wasabi> I work with people who LOOSE their taskbars.
[04:59] <nanotech> heh, wasabi's fucking greedy...he twists the perspectives of the gnome HIG, but never fesses up to the purposed inuendo he states.
[04:59] <zenwhen> As am I.
[04:59] <wasabi> LOSE
[04:59] <ogra> MoonSweep: rather hoary or warty
[04:59] <zenwhen> And I too work with them daily.
[04:59] <MoonSweep> is warty usable yet ?
[04:59] <wasabi> zenwhen, so when XP had the ability to lock the taskbar, it was immediatly deployed across my company. :0
[05:00] <zenwhen> MoonSweep, apparently not. You can still use the right mouse button.
[05:00] <zenwhen> lol
[05:00] <wasabi> Doesn't mean the user can't unlock it. Just means he's not likely to do it accedently.
[05:00] <ogra> MoonSweep: if you know how to fix breakages use hoary..... otherwise stick to warty and wait until april
[05:00] <zenwhen> Ok Im done with this. we dont see eye to eye.
[05:01] <zenwhen> and wont
[05:01] <wasabi> zenwhen, apt-get install gnome-app-install from hoary.
[05:01] <MoonSweep> ogra: just some "breakages" like the ones in testing or unstable ? i think i can handle them :)
[05:01] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: ?
[05:01] <zenwhen> wasabi, Id rather not. Ive no use for it.
[05:01] <wasabi> good. see, you have that choice?
[05:02] <ogra> MoonSweep: nope maybe bigger, maybe smaller... i.e. all language strings get stripped in extra packages next...can break a lot
[05:02] <mike_douglas> When I run md5sum on /dev/dvd it ends with a input/output error. Does this mean my dvd drive has gone FUBAR?
[05:03] <GSA917> does anyone here use ndiswrapper?
[05:03] <zenwhen> yes but once the "masses" have the choice to never se the underpinnings of Linux, many new linux users will never dig under Gnome. I think it will hurt the community. Thats all I am saying. Unchallenged users become a liability, not a benifit.
[05:03] <ogra> bonobo: ndiswrapper
[05:03] <bonobo> ubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[05:03] <MoonSweep> ogra: ok thanks
[05:03] <ogra> GSA917: see what the bot said (bonobo)
[05:06] <GSA917> yes, i know. i have an underlying question though. i need someone to compile ndiswrapper for me. in order to compile the file you need some updates, which requires an internet connection. so i cannot compile the file myself.. my only option is to find someone gracious enough to compile it for me, then put the compiled deb file to a disk so i can transfer it to my computer
[05:07] <nanotech> i fully agree with zenwhen; this goes totally against the ubuntu theology of community...one should have strong allies who'll help out withe their individual strengths when other can't necessarily call upon these strengths themselves,
[05:07] <GSA917> its like a never-ending loop. in order to have an internet connection i need ndiswrapper, and in order to compile ndiswrapper i need an internet connection
[05:07] <ogra> GSA917: look at the website, you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu
[05:07] <zenwhen> nanotech, exactly
[05:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, cant get my Mac to boot the OS 9.1 CD
[05:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> I press C
[05:08] <Ruffian|JANE|> nothin happends
[05:08] <nanotech> wasabi, youre charecter seems to be very counterproductive, and detremental to ubuntu development
[05:08] <nanotech> i wish i could lend you a hand
[05:08] <nanotech> but i'm such a noob
[05:08] <nanotech> all i've done so far is register bugs
[05:08] <GSA917> ogra: thanks i will check it out
[05:08] <nanotech> and hang out here
[05:08] <zenwhen> Eventually those able to help will be so outnumbered in the community that quality help will not exist when you do manage to screw up your install. At least it wont exist for free. It goes completely against the ideas of OSS and community driven software development.
[05:09] <ogra> GSA917: just get the package... on a floppy or so... to get it to your other pc
[05:09] <GFXstyLER> hi
[05:10] <zenwhen> nanotech, you are the kind of new linux user that winds up being an asset.  After all it's open source.
[05:13] <GSA917> ogra: thanks for your patience.
[05:13] <GSA917> zenwhen: thanks
[05:13] <nanotech> i've ran apt-get install gnome-devel, and my ./configure is still displaying that i need glib1.2 or greater...
[05:13] <ogra> zenwhen: i'm trained a bit ;)
[05:13] <zenwhen> np
[05:13] <wasabi> nanotech, that's a gnome 1 program.
[05:13] <wasabi> you need glib 1 to compile/use that.
[05:13] <nanotech> i also have the *dev packages installed from synaptic as well
[05:13] <nanotech> for glib
[05:13] <wasabi> you need the 1.2 packages.
[05:14] <ogra> nanotech: what do you compile ?
[05:14] <zenwhen> ogra, you are damn good at this being the channel ubuntu guru stuff. kudos
[05:14] <nanotech> so da
[05:14] <ogra> thanks
[05:14] <nanotech> does libglib2.0 superceede the 1.2 packages?
[05:15] <zenwhen> I really like this channel. There lots of helpful people, lots of new people wiling to learn, and lots of people who totally disagree with me and are willing to have civil discussions of differences.
[05:15] <zenwhen> Im a slackware nut swimming in a sea of Debian.
[05:15] <zenwhen> :P
[05:15] <ogra> nanotech: they could reside together once.....
[05:15] <ogra> lol
[05:16] <ogra> zenwhen: didnt install yet ?
[05:16] <zenwhen> Oh I did
[05:16] <zenwhen> And Have been using it for about a week and a half
[05:16] <ogra> zenwhen: not fully convinced ?
[05:16] <zenwhen> Completely
[05:16] <nanotech> i have all the libglib 2.0 packages installed, why do i need to downgrade? or are these a diffrent family of packages?
[05:16] <zenwhen> its like... a vacation
[05:17] <ogra> nanotech: this is a old world gtk 1.2 program
[05:17] <zenwhen> Thats how I describe moving from Slack to ubuntu.
[05:17] <ogra> nanotech: search for gtk1.2-dev
[05:17] <ogra> zenwhen: hehe
[05:17] <zenwhen> Things just work. If they didnt I could fix them.
[05:17] <zenwhen> I keep wanting something to crap on itself so I can swing into savior mode.
[05:17] <bob2> nanotech: you want libgtk1.2-dev
[05:18] <zenwhen> I had to install a webcam the other day just to challenge myself
[05:18] <zenwhen> then ubuntu had to go and make it work every time I booted
[05:18] <nanotech> arigato...this makes perfect sence
[05:18] <zenwhen> :mad:
[05:18] <wasabi> whomever came up with the ubuntu login sound is a genious
[05:18] <wasabi> genius
[05:18] <zenwhen> yeah
[05:19] <nanotech> the source i'm trying to compile and install is on an old tutorial site
[05:19] <nanotech> i disagree
[05:19] <zenwhen> It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
[05:19] <nanotech> i find it anyoing
[05:19] <zenwhen> lol
[05:19] <zenwhen> I hated the little drumbeats at first.
[05:19] <zenwhen> But then I got used to them.
[05:19] <nanotech> we're talking about that cheesy african drum rool, right?
[05:19] <wasabi> nanotech, you are compiling gtk1 code. Gnome 2 uses Gtk2.
[05:19] <bigtony> when i try to use like azureus to store content on another drive of mine it says permission denied. i did chmod 666 /media/winFat2  but it doesn't appear to effect anything :(
[05:19] <wasabi> nanotech, gtk1 is on it's way to being dead.
[05:20] <wasabi> (amen)
[05:20] <nanotech> :P
[05:20] <wasabi> bigtony, you need to mount the windows drive with the fmask and dmask options.
[05:20] <wasabi> bigtony, you need to mount the windows drive with the fmask and dmask options.
[05:20] <nanotech> understandable; like i said the source is snagged from an old "complie source for linux" site
[05:20] <zenwhen> too bad gtk2 isnt quite as fast at rendering text
[05:20] <GSA917> one other quick question..how can i download packages from ubuntu since i cannot use the package manager?
[05:20] <bigtony> could you explain to me how to do that please?
[05:20] <ogra> zne: but looks far better
[05:20] <bob2> nanotech: what are you building?
[05:20] <ogra> zenwhen
[05:21] <bob2> bigtony: mount it with the umask=002 option
[05:21] <bigtony> ok ill try
[05:21] <zenwhen> ogra, I totally agree. Smooth and Industrial make me feel a bit funny down there.
[05:21] <zenwhen> lol
[05:21] <ogra> heh
[05:21] <bob2> GSA917: why can't you use the package manager?
[05:21] <nanotech> bob2, the software is called "corewars"
[05:22] <zenwhen> But its still a bit slower.
[05:22] <nanotech> i'll soon be compiling my box for more mulitimedia apps
[05:22] <GSA917> bob2: because i do not have an internet connection
[05:22] <ogra> bob2: he needs to install ndiswrapper first....
[05:22] <nanotech> for sound design and production
[05:22] <bob2> nanotech: ah, old school
[05:22] <zenwhen> I bet its worse dso for people without super fast systems. I should never say somehting is slow. I have no right.
[05:22] <nanotech> there's a ton of software that's not available in the synaptic lists
[05:22] <bob2> nanotech: what multimedia programs aren't in Ubuntu?
[05:23] <bob2> GSA917: um, ouch.
[05:23] <zenwhen> mplayer?
[05:23] <ogra> bonobo: mplayer
[05:23] <bonobo> mplayer on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:23] <bob2> bah
[05:23] <nanotech> and i tried snagging from universe, but fucked this up...and really want to start learning how to compile since i feel that it's a needed linux trait to have in my tool kit
[05:23] <GSA917> ogra: so is there an ftp site or something
[05:23] <Agrajag> nanotech: what's to learn
[05:24] <bob2> nanotech: what happened when you tried to get them from universe?
[05:24] <Agrajag> tar xvzf <package>.tar.gz
[05:24] <Agrajag> cd <package>
[05:24] <bob2> GSA917: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[05:24] <nanotech> bob2...there's quite a bit i'll be installing that not on the list, are you interested in any aspect inparticular?
[05:24] <Agrajag> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:24] <bob2> GSA917: get the .deb and install with "dpkg -i foo.deb"
[05:24] <bob2> nanotech: yes, what isn't packaged that you want?
[05:25] <zenwhen> i havent compiled anything but my kernel for a week
[05:25] <zenwhen> its like spring break in linux world
[05:25] <zenwhen> 8)
[05:25] <nanotech> everything from c-sound development environments, to loop creation tools, to waveshapping, to mastering software
[05:25] <bob2> nanotech: which *exact* pieces of software
[05:25] <nanotech> i was hopeing you'd say that
[05:25] <nanotech> brb
[05:26] <zenwhen> lol
[05:26] <bigtony> in the fstab i have /dev/hdb5 /media/winFat2  vfat   ro,umask=002, fmask=0333  0 0 is that right?
[05:26] <bob2> bigtony: remove the space between, and fmask
[05:26] <bigtony> ok
[05:26] <bob2> but I'm not sure why you have fmask
[05:26] <nanotech> bob2, on a side note, i'd like to see silc a part of ubuntu's lists
[05:26] <ogra> bigtony: ro ?
[05:27] <bigtony> << a newbie
[05:27] <bigtony> doen't know what he is doing
[05:27] <ogra> bigtony: ro = read only
[05:27] <bigtony> just going by websites information trying to learn ;)
[05:27] <ogra> bigtony: rw = read write
[05:27] <bigtony> ok
[05:27] <bigtony> so put rw in there i assume
[05:27] <Agrajag> umask and fmask are kind of useless,  vfat can't really store permissions
[05:27] <bob2> it's rw by default
[05:27] <bigtony> let me try
[05:27] <bob2> Agrajag: no, that's why umask is essential
[05:27] <ogra> bigtony: and drop the fmask
[05:28] <Agrajag> huh
[05:28] <Agrajag> is this for a desktop?
[05:28] <bob2> nanotech: silc the irc-ish protocol?
[05:28] <Agrajag> if som why any mask at all?
[05:28] <Agrajag> if not, why vfat?
[05:28] <bob2> Agrajag: do you know what the umask option does?"
[05:28] <Agrajag> yes
[05:28] <bigtony> ok so its /dev/hdb5  /media/winFat2  vfat  umask=002 0 0 ?
[05:28] <zenwhen> Agrajag, have I seen you somewhere before? SA? #slackware?
[05:28] <Agrajag> doesn't it just give you full permissions by default though?
[05:28] <Agrajag> zenwhen: what's an SA?
[05:29] <bob2> Agrajag: no
[05:29] <zenwhen> ok
[05:29] <ogra>  /dev/hdb5  /media/winFat2  vfat  rw,umask=002 0 0
[05:29] <zenwhen> Was checking.
[05:29] <bigtony> aww yeah forgot rw
[05:29] <nanotech> bob2, yes silc; the irc-ish protocol
[05:29] <bob2> nanotech: irssi supports it already
[05:29] <bigtony> how about on a ntfs drive?
[05:29] <nanotech> here's a quick link to some of the interested software: http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/software/recording-sequencing
[05:29] <bigtony> and thanks by the way
[05:29] <bigtony> same thing?
[05:29] <bob2> bigtony: you can't write to them from linux
[05:29] <bob2> bigtony: yes, ntfs instead of vfat
[05:30] <Agrajag> bob2: yes you can
[05:30] <Agrajag> with captive
[05:30] <bob2> well, you can
[05:30] <bob2> but it needs captive-ntfs
[05:30] <nanotech> i use this as a major refrence...now i need to hit sourceforge for the c-sound environments
[05:30] <bob2> which is not something anyoen can help with if it breaks
[05:30] <stuNNed> what is captive-ntfs?
[05:30] <bob2> stuNNed: it loads the windows ntfs driver into the linux kernel
[05:30] <stuNNed> evilmegaman??? lol
[05:30] <bigtony> so i take it leave it at what i have it as
[05:30] <bob2> ecaound is in universe
[05:30] <bob2> ardour is
[05:31] <stuNNed> bob2, but is very untested i take it
[05:31] <bigtony> ntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[05:31] <ogra> apt-cache search csound
[05:31] <ogra> cecilia - graphic user interface for CSound
[05:31] <ogra> csound - powerful and versatile sound synthesis software
[05:31] <ogra> csound-doc - Documentation for Csound
[05:31] <ogra> nyquist - a language for music composition and sound synthesis
[05:31] <ogra> rosegarden4 - Music Editor and MIDI/Audio Sequencer
[05:31] <evilmegaman> Why does the live cd work but when I try to use the regular install cd it says It can't find the cd drive >.<
[05:31] <bob2> stuNNed: how can it ever tested?
[05:31] <bob2> ogra: please don't paste so much
[05:31] <evilmegaman> I am in the live cd right now
[05:31] <ogra> bob2: sorry
[05:31] <nanotech> bob2; what's irrsi?
[05:31] <bob2> nanotech: an irc client that also does silc
[05:31] <nanotech> i did a search in synatic, and couldn't find it
[05:31] <bob2> evilmegaman: tried the usual noapic, acpi=off stuff?
[05:32] <bob2> perhaps not in warty
[05:32] <nanotech> fuuck
[05:32] <evilmegaman> Nope
[05:32] <bob2> well, irssi is in warty with silc support
[05:32] <Agrajag> it's irssi not irrsi
[05:32] <nanotech> excuse me
[05:32] <evilmegaman> bob2: can you explain? I am not noobie but more of a seminoob
[05:33] <bigtony> ok one last newbi question?
[05:33] <nanotech> so this is an irc client that has a silc plugin?
[05:33] <bob2> using the word "noob" makes people not want to help you
[05:33] <evilmegaman> ah
[05:33] <bigtony> i forget how to mount the drive in the terminal is there a website or something for noobs like me :(
[05:33] <bob2> nanotech: yes
[05:33] <bob2> bigtony: mount /mnt/whatever
[05:33] <nanotech> so is gaim, btw...
[05:33] <bigtony> ok ten nevermind i'm an expert :)
[05:33] <Agrajag> man mount
[05:33] <bigtony> that better :)
[05:33] <bob2> (once you've edited fstab)
[05:33] <bob2> nanotech: so what more do you want?
[05:33] <bigtony> thanks again
[05:34] <nanotech> however, i recieve prob's with utiizing the silc protocol under gaim
[05:34] <bob2> nanotech: of all the software on that page, only xo wave and jack beat are not in ubuntu
[05:34] <ogra> bigtony: with sudo in front......
[05:34] <bob2> nanotech: please file a bug
[05:34] <dstate> you can use silky too
[05:34] <dstate> is a nice silc gui if you dont like gaim
[05:34] <bigtony> ok thanks trying now
[05:34] <evilmegaman> so what is the acpi thing? how should I use it and what is it?
[05:34] <stuNNed> what is silc?
[05:34] <ogra> evilmegaman: its in the menu in the beginning
[05:35] <bob2> evilmegaman: boot the install cd with the option "noapic".  then the option "acpi=off"
[05:35] <zenwhen> whats taters precious
[05:35] <bigtony> says its already mouned
[05:35] <bob2> stuNNed: a new protocol trying to be like irc but more secure
[05:35] <bigtony> so i guess unmount /media/winFat2 ?
[05:35] <evilmegaman> :) thank you bob2 and ogra
[05:35] <Agrajag> umount, not unmount
[05:35] <bob2> bigtony: you're trying to change settings on an existing mounted partition?
[05:35] <bigtony> yes
[05:36] <bigtony> just so i can store stuff on it
[05:36] <ogra> evilmegaman: i meant the menu on the livecd for install see bob2
[05:36] <bob2> umount /media/blah, then mount again
[05:36] <bigtony> ok
[05:36] <evilmegaman> oh ok
[05:36] <nanotech> bob2; "Wired" is not in synaptic
[05:36] <nanotech> it's not on that page
[05:36] <bob2> ok
[05:36] <nanotech> but it's formadable
[05:37] <bob2> is it Free?
[05:37] <yohannes> why cant i isssue a command: sudo export ......?
[05:37] <yohannes> anyone knows?
[05:37] <nanotech> shooooould be
[05:37] <bob2> yohannes: what are you trying to do?
[05:37] <nanotech> will fidn out
[05:37] <bob2> nanotech: if it's Free, file a RFP bug on Debian (assuming no one else has)
[05:37] <dopey> yohannes: export is a shell-builtin - sudo spawns a subshell, runs the command, then closes
[05:37] <bob2> or you can package itself
[05:37] <GSA917> bob2: ndiswrapper package is installed! now i need to install a linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 package. i tried looking under /L/ on that site you gave me but i could not find it
[05:38] <yohannes> i am trying to add java to my environ path
[05:38] <bigtony> dang thats crazy says drive is busy but i'm not using it :(
[05:38] <dopey> yohannes: you shouldnt need sudo for that
[05:38] <Agrajag> bigtony: what directory are you in?
[05:38] <bigtony> in my home dir
[05:38] <bob2> GSA917: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/
[05:39] <bob2> bigtony: what does "lsof | grep /media/winFat2" print out?
[05:39] <ogra> GSA917: better http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/
[05:39] <George_Deka> does anyone know how to add items to the computer menu ?
[05:39] <GSA917> thankyou bob2 & ogra
[05:39] <wasabi> don't think you can
[05:39] <bigtony> nothing
[05:39] <bigtony> taes me back to the #
[05:39] <yohannes> the thing is i am trying to install an app that i would like to put into /usr/local/bin but since the root does not have java path set to it, i cant do it
[05:39] <bob2> George_Deka: you can't
[05:40] <Agrajag> yohannes: just start a root shell
[05:40] <Agrajag> sudo su -
[05:40] <bob2> yohannes: export JAVAWHATEVER=blah, then run sudo whatever
[05:40] <bob2> Agrajag: you don't need to do that
[05:40] <yohannes> bob2: i did that already for myself, how can i set that path for the root?
[05:41] <yohannes> i tried sudo export... but it says the command is not recognized
[05:41] <bob2> yohannes: as dopey said, it's not a program
[05:41] <crimsun> yohannes: export JAVA_HOME in /etc/profile and also add $JAVA_HOME/bin to the beginning of $PATH
[05:41] <Agrajag> export is a bash builtin
[05:41] <bob2> yohannes: set it in your ~/.bashrc
[05:42] <yohannes> wow i am lost to what you guys just said
[05:42] <wasabi> is /etc/profile sourced by the X session?
[05:42] <bob2> wasabi: no
[05:42] <wasabi> shucks.
[05:42] <bob2> yes, it sucks
[05:42] <crimsun> use good ole login shells ;)
[05:43] <wasabi> Gentoo has something they're doing for that.
[05:43] <bob2> yohannes: add "exporth WHATEVER=whatever" to /etc/bash.bashrc
[05:43] <wasabi> /etc/env.d
[05:43] <bob2> that doesn't help at all
[05:43] <bob2> there's /etc/environment already
[05:43] <wasabi> they are sourcing them from the X login
[05:43] <ogra> yohannes: gedit ~/.bashrc
[05:43] <bigtony> any idea how to get the drive unbusy ?
[05:44] <bob2> bigtony: paste exactly what you're running and the output to #flood
[05:44] <Agrajag> bigtony: find out what process has it locked
[05:44] <Agrajag> lsof is useful
[05:44] <GSA917> ogra: so "linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386" and "linux-image-686_<IP_ADDRESS>-13_i386.deb " are the same thing?
[05:44] <bob2> we did lsof already
[05:44] <bob2> GSA917: no
[05:44] <bigtony> i use lsof it didn't d anything
[05:44] <ogra> get the latter
[05:44] <bob2> GSA917: you want the one fro mthe dir I gave you
[05:44] <wasabi> Hmm. I guess a amd64 kernel isn't installable with a 32 bit userspace?
[05:45] <elocal> hey
[05:45] <ogra> bob2: thats the source
[05:45] <bob2> ogra: how sure are you?
[05:45] <yohannes> bob2: should i add the command to the EOF?
[05:45] <elocal> word on AMD64 ubuntu performance and package avaliability?
[05:45] <bob2> ogra: "apt-cqache show linux-image-686"
[05:45] <bob2> elocal: it has just about everything ppc and i386 have
[05:45] <bob2> yohannes: wherever
[05:46] <bigtony> i assume there is a command to list the processes
[05:46] <bob2> 14:44:09           bob2 | bigtony: paste exactly what you're running and the output to #flood
[05:46] <Agrajag> ps
[05:46] <elocal> does ubuntu support any debian AMD64 packages, or do they have to be compiled under ubuntu system?
[05:46] <bob2> from the mount command
[05:46] <elocal> bob2, nice
[05:46] <ogra> bob2: will -16 comply with the ndiswrapper deps ?
[05:46] <Agrajag> ps auxww for very verbose output
[05:46] <bob2> elocal: don't mix unless you know what you're doing and now how to fix it when you break it
[05:46] <bob2> ogra: don't know
[05:46] <yohannes> bob2: should i relogin for it to take effect?
[05:46] <elocal> aighty
[05:46] <wasabi> what about running a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userspac?
[05:46] <bob2> ogra: but you were pointing him at a empty meta package
[05:47] <wasabi> I notice the 64 bit kernels don't show up in my apt
[05:47] <bigtony> bob i undersand what you said i just don't know how to generate the process list
[05:47] <bob2> yohannes: no, restart your terminal
[05:47] <elocal> I will be trying it when I finish my AMD64 rig :D
[05:47] <bob2> bigtony: why do you want a process list?
[05:47] <johnnybezak> whats the name of the gnome user admin tool?
[05:47] <yohannes> bob2: k thanks
[05:47] <elocal> bob2, tnx
[05:47] <GSA917> bob2: the most similar one i can find is "linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-16_i386.deb "
[05:47] <bigtony> you just asked me what exactly i'm running and the output
[05:47] <bob2> bigtony: that's not what I said
[05:47] <bob2> bigtony: show me how you're trying to umount it and what it prints
[05:47] <bigtony> paste exactly what your running and the output to flood
[05:48] <bob2> nevermind then
[05:48] <GSA917> bob2: was "nevermind then" referring to me or bigtony?
[05:48] <ogra> bob2: youre right... i should get some sleep....
[05:48] <bob2> bigtony:
[05:49] <wasabi> linux-image-2.6-amd64-xeon_<IP_ADDRESS>-13_amd64.deb
[05:49] <wasabi> somebody explain that
[05:49] <wasabi> oh n/m got it
[05:49] <bob2> GSA917: I dn't know what ndiswrapper depends on
[05:49] <GSA917> bob2: it says to install "linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386"
[05:49] <bob2> ok
[05:50] <bob2> the one you found should work then
[05:50] <GSA917> alright, excellent. thanks.
[05:51] <ogra> bob2: linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-2* packages [default by installation]  do not include the needed ndiswrapper module.
[05:51] <ogra> bob2: is this still true ?
[05:51] <bob2> ogra: I believe so
[05:51] <ogra> bob2: the site is edited last  2004-10-07
[05:51] <bob2> I was under the impression that the module was in some other package
[05:52] <ogra> bob2: i thought linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 was on the official cd
[05:52] <GSA917> bob2: so i still need this file or should i be installing something else?
[05:52] <bob2> GSA917: I don't know what you're trying to do, really
[05:52] <bob2> just get ndis awrapper to work?
[05:52] <bob2> ogra: that is a good point
[05:52] <Agrajag> linux-image doesn't include the modules anyway, does it?
[05:53] <Lathiat> im curious, does ndiswrapper suck performance wise?
[05:53] <crimsun> Agrajag: sure it does.
[05:53] <bob2> it sucks evil-wise
[05:53] <crimsun> Agrajag: it doesn't include the restricted modules; those are in a separate package
[05:53] <Lathiat> i was just curious if it sucked performance wise, like can you get 500k/s out of it?
[05:53] <Agrajag> i thought the image just had bzImage, and modules were in another package
[05:53] <Agrajag> oh
[05:53] <bob2> Agrajag: no
[05:53] <GSA917> crap, so is this all useless? i am not allowed to buy a new wireless card and its either get this to work, or switch back to windowsXP
[05:54] <bob2> GSA917: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[05:54] <bob2> but seriously, it's not that hard to find wireless cards with useful linux support for next time
[05:54] <Agrajag> cisco aironets are great, assuming they still make them
[05:54] <GSA917> i am 16... :P. I got the wireless card from my dad
[05:56] <ogra> bob2: hmm, i havent installed anything extra /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper
[05:56] <bob2> that is pretty crackful
[05:59] <GSA917> ogra: i have that folder too... so is i guess i have the ability to setup ndiswrapper now?
[06:00] <bob2> GSA917: did you read that url?
[06:00] <ogra> GSA917: the ndiswrapper-utils package should be enough....i think you should try the command: uname -a
[06:00] <ogra> GSA917: to determine your kernel version
[06:01] <GSA917> bob2: yes, ive been following it up to this pt.
[06:01] <GSA917> ogra: ok
[06:01] <GSA917> ogra: <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[06:01] <ogra> yay
[06:02] <bob2> you can go to step 4 now
[06:02] <GSA917> woo!
[06:02] <ogra> so just install the package
[06:02] <lamont_r> anybody know how to glue 100 .tif images into an mpg?
[06:02] <lamont_r> trying various mencoder encantations on converted .jpgs, but that just gives a white screen in mplayer...
[06:04] <ogra> night
[06:04] <GSA917> ogra: night
[06:04] <GSA917> thanks for your help
[06:07] <Gwildor> can i get OSS with XORG?
[06:08] <Agrajag> what
[06:08] <bob2> OSS is unrelated to your X server
[06:08] <bob2> ubuntu uses alsa almost exclusively, though
[06:09] <Gwildor> i have oss ne ways, sorry, i just used to have oss and alsa, now i only have oss, and the volume control is different now
[06:09] <Gwildor> i only have pcm, speaker, and in-gain
[06:09] <bob2> that's not a x.org issue
[06:10] <bob2> it might be related to the new version of gnome in hoary
[06:10] <Gwildor> just assumed it was....sorry
[06:10] <Gwildor> bob2, that could be it
[06:18] <bob2> nanotech: no need to /msg me
[06:18] <GSA917> bob2: i have done everything and now the "interfaces" section looks nothing like mine...i have no clue how i would go about changing it to look exactly like theirs.
[06:19] <bob2> make a new one
[06:19] <bob2> new section, not file
[06:19] <GSA917> bob2: ok
[06:20] <bob2> nanhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/wired/, it's LGPL
[06:21] <dstate> the website is down  thought for awhile now
[06:21] <dstate> bw limit
[06:22] <wasabi> Is there a way to make Gnome not startup on a second X display?
[06:22] <GSA917> bob2: it will not let me edit the file
[06:23] <Gmail> anyone know what happened to distrowatch.org its been died for a few days not
[06:23] <Gmail> *now
[06:23] <bob2> GSA917: you need to use sudo
[06:23] <GSA917> thx
[06:23] <bob2> Gmail: why don't you ask them?
[06:24] <bob2> wasabi: it wn't
[06:24] <punkass> is there a diff between .org and .com?
[06:24] <bob2> but it will start on both bits of a xinerama display
[06:24] <bob2> ideally, yes
[06:24] <wasabi> no, it is.
[06:24] <punkass> cuz .com is working fine for me
[06:24] <wasabi> I have a dual head X. Xinerama disabled.
[06:24] <wasabi> And gnome is happily creating panels on the second head.
[06:24] <bob2> dual head then
[06:25] <wasabi> The second head is a TV. I just play movies there.
[06:25] <wasabi> the panels actually get in the way (since they stay on top)
[06:25] <bob2> mplayer -fs jumps on top of panels
[06:26] <wasabi> =/ still annoying
[06:26] <GSA917> bob: is there any way i can edit the interfaces file? like sudo /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:26] <wasabi> GSA917, with a text editor, exactly like that.
[06:27] <bob2> GSA917: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[06:27] <punkass>  sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces if you want a nice gui text editor
[06:27] <GSA917> thx guys...linux is so confusing
[06:27] <Gmail> bob2: how there died
[06:28] <punkass> i alwasy use vi..but i know some my find that confusing
[06:28] <bob2> Gmail: ?
[06:28] <wasabi> bob2, actually I am running mplayer with -fs
[06:28] <wasabi> but the panels still jump on top when mplayer looses focus
[06:28] <wasabi> because I work on my primary display.
[06:29] <billytwowilly> Is there a way to install ubuntu onto a software raid 1 partition?
[06:29] <bob2> wasabi: ah
[06:29] <wasabi> billytwowilly, using what software to drive the raid?
[06:30] <wasabi> you need a least one partition to load the kernel or initrd out of.
[06:30] <billytwowilly> wasabi, linux. The software raid howto talks about how you can use software raid to boot from using the persistent superblock
[06:30] <billytwowilly> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.9
[06:30] <billytwowilly> is the install setup to do this?
[06:31] <Majestic> What are the good things about Suse cmpared to other distros?
[06:31] <wasabi> billytwowilly, still have to load the kernel from someplace
[06:31] <billytwowilly> Majestic, wrong chan;)
[06:31] <wasabi> the persistant superblock only houses the raid configuration
[06:31] <Majestic> oop
[06:31] <Majestic> s
[06:31] <Majestic> lol
[06:31] <billytwowilly> wasabi, take a look at that page. It is possible to boot off of a software raid partition.
[06:32] <wasabi> billytwowilly, no, it's possible to mount a software raid partition as /. You still need to load the kernel out of something grub/lilo readable.
[06:32] <bob2> Majestic: #suse would be a better place to ask
[06:33] <billytwowilly> wasabi, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.3
[06:33] <wasabi> are you using raid 1?
[06:33] <billytwowilly> for the boot partition I would be.
[06:33] <wasabi> okay, that's fine then.
[06:34] <wasabi> should handle it fine.
[06:34] <wasabi> the installer loads the raidtools at boot I believe.
[06:34] <billytwowilly> it would be setup like this: 2 * 120 gig drives and 2 * 160 gig drives. the 40 gig partitions (minus swap on both disks) would be raid 1'd
[06:35] <wasabi> you must however remember that that isn't AS failsafe as hard ware raid
[06:35] <billytwowilly> wasabi, ok, I didn't see any obvious way to do it so that's why I'm asking. I'll have to take another look at the installer. I was hoping someone had done it before and there was a mini howto for ubuntu;)
[06:35] <wasabi> if the primary disk goes down, the system is unbootable without manual intervention
[06:35] <wasabi> (the bios will scan disks looking for a good drive, and neither will lilo)
[06:35] <wasabi> s/will/will not/
[06:36] <billytwowilly> That's fine. it's just a file server.
[06:36] <wasabi> i've had such setups been bit by that during a power surge
[06:36] <wasabi> boom, drive fries, system reboots.
[06:36] <wasabi> and never comes back
[06:37] <GSA917> i have about given up u__u
[06:37] <billytwowilly> yah, but with the raid 1 I should just be able to throw in a new 120 or 160 gig drive, partition it properly and it'll get rebuilt right?
[06:37] <bob2> GSA917: why?
[06:37] <genr> maybe use a ups from then on then, eh?
[06:37] <GSA917> linux is so damn hard, & nothing makes sense
[06:37] <wasabi> billytwowilly, yeah, the system will just be down until you do so.
[06:37] <GSA917> :P. ive been working since 1pm to get ethernet working, now it is 11:37 pm
[06:37] <bob2> GSA917: if you're using unsupported hardware, ti can be difficult, yes
[06:37] <billytwowilly> GSA917,  are you installing or are you in gnome and not liking it?
[06:37] <wasabi> I think he's playing with NDIS
[06:37] <bob2> GSA917: you're not getting ethernet working, you're configuring the kernel to load windows wireless drivers
[06:37] <wasabi> ?
[06:37] <genr> gsa, integrated?
[06:38] <bob2> billytwowilly: ndiswrapper
[06:38] <billytwowilly> wasabi, That's fine and expected. I was really hoping someone had done this before though;)
[06:38] <billytwowilly> boo ndiswrapper.
[06:38] <wasabi> billytwowilly, never with ubuntu.
[06:38] <wasabi> billytwowilly, I did not that the ubuntu installer has software raid options
[06:38] <billytwowilly> oh well. there is probably a debian howto out there.
[06:38] <bob2> GSA917: if your card had a linux driver, you'd just boot and it would work
[06:38] <GSA917> ya :/
[06:38] <wasabi> billytwowilly, so I believe it is very possible the installer could do it all for you
[06:38] <bob2> billytwowilly: we gave him an ubuntu howto
[06:38] <bob2> wasabi: no
[06:38] <wasabi> ?
[06:38] <genr> gsa, just get a 10 dollar realtek based chipset nic(like a dlink)
[06:38] <bob2> the installer cannot include windows drivers
[06:38] <wasabi> bob2, not talking about that.
[06:39] <bob2> and we cannot support ndiswrapper properly
[06:39] <GSA917> i took apart 3 other computers and they all had the same damn wireless cards XD
[06:39] <billytwowilly> heh. I'm confusing people;) I'll stop talking about my woes with ndiswrapper.
[06:39] <bob2> GSA917: where are you stuck?
[06:39] <bob2> GSA917: are you asure you have to use ndiswrapper for it?
[06:39] <wasabi> i use a lovely orinoco
[06:39] <wasabi> works like a champ