[12:08] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: i sent it using that url in my window paste.ubuntu.nl.org
[12:08] <Zaire> how do you view the history on Konqueror?
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: So what is the link ?
[12:08] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17127
[12:09] <Eazy-> hi all. I have to deactivate and activate my network in kcontrol after every reboot to get online...anyone have a clue what might be wrong?
[12:09] <Zaire> how do you view the history on Konqueror?
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: kdesu kate /etc/modules
[12:09] <eimajenthat> !wine
[12:09] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:10] <eimajenthat> does wine have an irc channel?
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> #winehq
[12:10] <eimajenthat> thx
[12:10] <tomek_> Hi
[12:11] <Zaire> seriously I don't know this browser that well how do you view the history on Konqueror?
[12:11] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: done
[12:11] <tomek_> my name is Tom
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: add rt2500pci to the very bottom of that file and save it
[12:11] <tomek_> I am from Poland
[12:11] <tomek_> I have one qestions
[12:11] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: Done
[12:11] <LjL> shoot
[12:12] <tomek_> what is better firewwall to Kubuntu ???
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: sudo apt-get install hostapd
[12:12] <tomek_> Firestarter ??
[12:13] <LjL> tomek_: many recommend it, yes. shorewall is also often cited
[12:13] <tomek_> ok thanks
[12:13] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: DONE
[12:13] <Hawkwind> tomek_: I personally prefer ipkungfu
[12:13] <tomek_> :)
[12:13] <Hawkwind> tomek_: It's written and maintained by trappist here in #Kubuntu
[12:14] <tomek_> ok
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: kdesu kate /etc/hostapd.conf
[12:15] <eimajenthat> why doesn't pastebin ever seem to work in Konqueror?
[12:16] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: nothing in it.
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: kdesu /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
[12:18] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: permission denied
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: you typed your password in wrong
[12:19] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: sudo hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
[12:19] <tmdx120> Operation not supported
[12:19] <tmdx120> Could not enable hostapd mode for interface wlan0
[12:19] <tmdx120> hostap driver initialization failed.
[12:20] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: could not enable hostapd for interface wlan0
[12:20] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: hostapd driver initialization failed
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode master
[12:22] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17129
[12:22] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: done
[12:23] <schneidexe> hi leute
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: try sudo hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf again
[12:23] <c11297> e ai ?
[12:24] <schneidexe> hello. i'am am new to kubuntu but i like it allready very much. running the live cd currently, will install soon, but i first wanted to try out some things.
[12:24] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn:  no go this is the outputhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17130
[12:26] <schneidexe> i am migrating from gentoo. so the only thing that keeps me from installing kubuntu right now is, that i am missing some packages i need
[12:26] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: I just looked. The file is actually there.
[12:27] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: should I cd to etc and then try it again
[12:27] <schneidexe> can anybody tell me a source where i find aditional repositories for apt?
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: You need the hostapd with support for the devicescape stack
[12:29] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: what does that mean?
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: You need a newer version of hostapd
[12:30] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: I just checked, the one I have is not upgradeable...
[12:31] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: should I reinstall?
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: sudo apt-get remove hostapd
[12:33] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: done
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: back into konsole -> cd build
[12:34] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: ok, Im there
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: wget http://hostap.epitest.fi/releases/hostapd-0.5.4.tar.gz
[12:35] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: ok, where do I put it?
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: If you do the wget command it should put it into build
[12:36] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: done
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: tar xzvf hostapd-0.5.4.tar.gz
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: cd hostapd
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: cd hostapd-0.5.4
[12:38] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: ok
[12:38] <BKaj> well, I install 32 bit dapper in place of the 64 bit version in order to facilitate easier and less problematic installs , but it seems nothing has changed with this version
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: cp defconfig .config
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: kdesu kate .config
[12:40] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: kate is up
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: remove the # from the line CONFIG_DRIVER_DEVICESCAPE=y
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: And then save the file
[12:41] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: done
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: make (from in the hostapd-0.5.4 directory
[12:42] <phoenix198> Hello all; I could use a bit of help.  I've checked the forums, etc.. and gotten my problem partially solved.  I have a laptop running Kubuntu6.06 with a WiFi card builtin, bcm4306.  I cannot connect to my wireless network though, for some reason.  Anyone have some suggestions?
[12:42] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: I got some errors. but its done
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: Is the last line Error 1 ?
[12:43] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: yes
[12:44] <ubuntu_> bjrrr ttttttttttttt l m onde
[12:44] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17131
[12:45] <dueyfinster> Anyone get Konversation to use /away command successfully? It keeps crashing on me
[12:45] <sja> phoenix198 -> Check out http://greg.primate.net/m6805/
[12:46] <phoenix198> sja:  Thanks!  Similar model, not exactly the same, but I appreciate the help!
[12:46] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: Still with me?
[12:47] <zorglu1> dueyfinster: crashing ?
[12:47] <zorglu1> wow no good. you sure ?
[12:47] <dueyfinster> zorglu1: Yes, just crashes
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: I am trying to work out how to get hostapd to build properly
[12:48] <phoenix198> sja:  Not quite what I'm looking for actually.  The wireless card is already working to the point where it sees my network; it just seems to refuse to actually connect for some reason.
[12:48] <dueyfinster> zorglu1: I haven't started it in konsole, to see output
[12:48] <zorglu1> dunno the solution. but it seems real bad
[12:48] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: sorry, just checking in.
[12:49] <dj_baggio> !saa7134
[12:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about saa7134
[12:49] <swhalen> hello. Has anyone gotten ivtv to work on dapper?
[12:49] <sja> phoenix198 ->  Oh well, sorry.  Just saw the line at that URL that said ...
[12:49] <sja> There are no linux drivers for the on-board Broadcom BCM4306 wireless card. However, you can still make it work under linux using NDISWrapper (which enables you to use the windows drivers in linux).
[12:50] <Dannilion> that's not true
[12:50] <Dannilion> I use a broadcom 4306 chipset in my card
[12:50] <phoenix198> Dannilion:  I need your help then!
[12:50] <Dannilion> ok :)
[12:50] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: the kids are calling! Can I reach you later?
[12:51] <Dannilion> you using Dapper?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: Maybe or maybe tommorow (It is midnight here)
[12:51] <Pupeno> Is there a centralized place to post installation experiences ?
[12:51] <phoenix198> Dannilion:  I have a bcm4306 also in my laptop.  It's recognizing the card now (used bcm43xx-fwcutter..) and it can see my home network.  However, it will not connect with all of the correct settings. :\
[12:51] <visik7> anyone have a fix for bring up usplash when kdm shutdown ?
[12:51] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: The new driver is working which is a good sign at least
[12:51] <phoenix198> Dannilion:  Yes, Dapper Drake, Kubuntu
[12:52] <swhalen> hello. Has anyone gotten ivtv to work on dapper?
[12:52] <pietro> qualche italiano?
[12:52] <Dannilion> ok
[12:52] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: great! then ther is hope.
[12:52] <arcturus> hmmm .... kubuntu automatix is now out
[12:52] <Dannilion> right
[12:52] <gnomefreak> !it
[12:52] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:52] <arcturus> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203294&highlight=kubuntu
[12:52] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: I will try to track you sone later.
[12:53] <tmdx120> h3sp4wn: THNKS!
[12:53] <Dannilion> you know Kmenu -> Internet -> Wireless Manager
[12:53] <pietro> 0k grazie ma come ci vado
[12:53] <Dannilion> does that bring up any networks?
[12:53] <phoenix198> Dannilion:  Stupidest question I will ask, but is there a difference between ESSID and SSID?
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> tmdx120: ok I have one of those cards in a box somewhere I may install it and see if I Can get it working properly
[12:53] <Dannilion> phoenix198: no
[12:54] <pietro> join/#kubuntu-it
[12:54] <phoenix198> Dannilion:  Wireless Assistant brings up the one Wireless network I have.
[12:54] <Dannilion> and it won't let you connect to it?
[12:54] <nekromaan> hello, i compiled a new kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and get this error msg http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=443368 , i also cant use my second hard drive, what options do i have to en/disable in the kernel menu?
[12:54] <pietro> join/ #kubuntu-it
[12:55] <phoenix198> Dannilion: No; it just sits on "connecting to 'homegroup'..."
[12:55] <Pupeno> can't the installer create reiserfs partitions ?
[12:55] <Dannilion> hummm
[12:55] <phoenix198> And then fails
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: Have you also upgraded udev ?
[12:55] <Dannilion> have you got any security on the network?
[12:55] <phoenix198> Dannilion:  I have it set to pull an IP, etc.. and the Security is set to WEP Shared
[12:55] <Dannilion> ok, can you disable any security for now?
[12:56] <phoenix198> Dannilion: Sure.  One second.
[12:56] <Dannilion> just to check you can connect ok
[12:57] <BKaj> darn...I've forgotten the cmd for installing dpkg in the konsole !
[12:58] <Dannilion> sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[12:58] <BKaj> ok thx Dannilion
[12:58] <TheHighChild> Any suggested Instant Messengers that aren't Kopete or Gaim?
[12:59] <Dannilion> amsn?
[12:59] <phoenix_> Dannilion:  Back, got knocked off when disabling security on router.  I still cannot connect.
 how do i upgrade udev? :/
[12:59] <Dannilion> ok
[12:59] <Dannilion> Erm... ypu
[12:59] <Dannilion> you're going to have to ask someone with knowledge now
[12:59] <Dannilion> mine worked straightaway with no security
[12:59] <Dannilion> sorry :(
[01:00] <phoenix_> Dannilion: lol.  Did yours "just work." or did you have to use NDISWrapper or fwcutter to get it working?
[01:00] <Dannilion> neither
[01:00] <Dannilion> I downloaded a driver
[01:00] <TheHighChild> Dannilion: Thanks but I need something to support Jabber, AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo
[01:00] <Dannilion> oh, ok
[01:00] <Dannilion> centericq does, but that's cli
[01:00] <phoenix_> Dannilion:  What driver...?/  Where can I get it? :)
[01:01] <Dannilion> you checked https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper ?
[01:01] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: What do  you need from 2.6.17 ?
[01:01] <Dannilion> Thats where I found it
[01:02] <phoenix_> Thanks for your help Dannilion!
 kernel headers, and it will be good if i know why new kernels dont work, i had the same problem with the <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:02] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: The only way I managed to get 2.6.17 working on dapper was by backporting udev from debian sid
[01:03] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: Can't Kopete do that ?
[01:03] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: yeah, I'm looking for a messenger that isn't Kopete or Gaim. I think they both suck terribly
 did you have the same problem, with mounting the other hard drive and device mapper?
[01:03] <Sansana> what's so bad about kopete?
[01:03] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: Try Psi
[01:03] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: have you reported the suckiness to http://bugs.kde.org ?
[01:04] <Pupeno> dueyfinster: it doesn't do what is expected.
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: Yep
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: Some stuff has changed name also
[01:04] <dueyfinster> Pupeno: Transports?
[01:04] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: My reasons for dislike are all aesthetic, not functionality
 can you plz tell me where/how to upgrade it?
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: For example you need xtables support and all the iptables modules again
[01:04] <TheHighChild> I'd love kopete if it weren't for the freaky little blue heads beside everyones name
 where do i have to activate them?
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: It could quite easily hose your system so I am not willing to do it unless you tell me what you need from 2.6.17
[01:05] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: You can turn that off and change icons, as far as I can recall
[01:05] <Dannilion> yup
[01:05] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: is that just it ? you'll go into the grail quest and use an application that doesn't integrate just because of some blue heads ?
[01:05] <Dannilion> mine has the buddy icons next to the messages
 but when will those new kernels run with the ubuntu system :( ... i need the kernel-headers for 2.6.15-25-386 to install vmware
[01:06] <TheHighChild> dueyfinster: I tried everything to get rid of the blue heads. I can change everything bu them. i even trolled #kopete and they said the same
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: edgy eft will have 2.6.17
[01:07] <Sansana> TheHighChild but you can change them into buddy icons
[01:07] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: if you use pictures, you may be able to get rid of the blue heads.
[01:07] <nekromaan> lool, do you know when edgy will come out? ^^
 in dec ;)
[01:07] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: Can't help it. I think all the icons suck but I could live with them, not the blue heads. i'll continue with gaim before I bog my UI down with crap
[01:07] <OOD> october
[01:07] <nekromaan> oh ok :D sorry
[01:07] <nekromaan> really october?
[01:07] <TheHighChild> Sansana: yes you can change them into buddy icons but I have hundreds (maybe thousands) of buddies. Changing them isn't an option
[01:08] <OOD> yea, dapper was delayed by 2 months, but edgy is following the regular interval
[01:08] <Sansana> TheHighChild if you really want to do so, what's so bad about blue heads? :)
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-25-386
[01:08] <OOD> so in october :)
[01:08] <Sansana> I really don't mind them
[01:08] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: did you report on http://bugs.kde.org ? if it is importat to you, it might be importat for others (to be able to change the blue heads for... let's say, red heads or green hands).
[01:08] <TheHighChild> Sansana: They're obfuscating
[01:08] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: Ok. I'll make a note
[01:08] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: Yep, You can change them unfortunately
 i do not have them in my cache/sources; so i have to wait until edgy to compile new kernels?
[01:09] <dueyfinster> Pupeno: Good suggestion
[01:09] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: sorry typo can't
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> nekromaan: You can compile 2.6.16 without problems on dapper
[01:09] <TheHighChild> I like minimal disruption of my UI space. I have a 14" laptop screen, i just think it's very cluttered (kopete) I love gaim's layout but it doesn't seem to work very well with other clients
[01:09] <Pupeno> dueyfinster: I don't understand why doesn't more people report bugs when they find something disturbing... this is not Microsoft; there are real developers to take care and fix it or something.
 aha? which one, the latest?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[01:11] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: unfortunately thats the way it is at the moment. You should try switch to jabber with transports, or use a native application like wengo or skype (ugh), but then you have a cache 22 if you go for the latter
[01:11] <dueyfinster> Pupeno: I know, we really should do more to encourage people
[01:12] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: That is convincing your contacts to move
 ok, thx, i hope it will work tomorrow
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> That should just build normally
[01:12] <TheHighChild> I'm alright with gaim. It works and looks clean. I was hoping for something that looked a little more KDe. Gonna try this PSI
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> TheHighChild: You tried gaim 2?
[01:13] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: Yeah, using it now but I don't see much difference (hard to believe it's a 2.0)
[01:13] <Pupeno> Psi is a good Qt-based Jabber client. I recommend it, along with exodus, to all Win users.
[01:13] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: however, I get lets reports of problems
[01:13] <nekromaan> thx good night !
[01:14] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: do! I love the simolicity of Psi, and it works very well in KDE. You can set up transports to different protocols, its not hard
[01:14] <TheHighChild> dueyfinster: I see MSn and jabber icons, off hand do you know if it supports AIM?
[01:14] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: Yes it does, heres a guide with Miranda client: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/google-talk-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html
[01:15] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: Psi isn't that different
[01:15] <Pupeno> what kernel should I install for intel core duo ? (that has smp support ?)
[01:15] <TheHighChild> dueyfinster: Will take a look, thanks. I'll follow up with my experiences
[01:15] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: I recommend jabber.cz (Czech republic one) as a transport
[01:16] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: AIM, Yahoo and MSN are supported on Jabber.cz
[01:17] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: You can also get IRC, ICQ, Gadu-Gadu, Novell and RSS transports, but they are a bit of a niche
[01:18] <TheHighChild> ICQ should work if I can get AIM working. if nothing else, i can add ICQ clients through AIM and vice versa now that they're co-owned
[01:18] <TheHighChild> dueyfinster: So do i need to register to a transport?
[01:18] <dueyfinster> TheHighChild: Yep, also see http://www.jabber.org/user/publicservers.shtml for a comprehensive server list
[01:23] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: you don't need to register on the server where the transport is running. You only need a jabber account.
[01:25] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: Ok. I have an account on nedbsd.nl
[01:27] <humbert> hello all
[01:27] <Fiya_werkin> how can you tell what 'device' your burner is?
[01:28] <carl_> cdrecord -scanbus
[01:29] <Fiya_werkin> but that doesn't say which /dev/ it is?
[01:30] <eimajenthat> authenticationkeys!
[01:30] <eimajenthat> no, wait
[01:30] <eimajenthat> !authenticationkeys
[01:30] <humbert> somebody know how to debug ktorrent ?
[01:30] <ubotu> I know nothing about authenticationkeys
[01:30] <humbert> error : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45119
[01:31] <humbert> allo ?
[01:32] <humbert> nothing works with that OS
[01:32] <humbert> my computr bugs 2 X more
[01:33] <Pupeno> what kernel should I install for intel core duo ? (that has smp support ?)
[01:34] <D4m4ge> bye all
[01:34] <humbert> smbdy can help me with this ktorrent error ?
[01:34] <humbert> what i do ?
[01:34] <humbert> i enter something in konsole ?
[01:35] <humbert> i desinstall or reinstall the soft ?
[01:36] <carl_> depending on your amount of drives it should be /dev/hdc
[01:36] <humbert> heu speak newbie please
[01:36] <sensei> humbert: Is that your bugreport?
[01:37] <humbert> i install kubuntu yesterday
[01:37] <carl_> sorry, I was speaking to Fiya_werkin
[01:37] <humbert> yes error : SISGABRT
[01:37] <humbert> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45119
[01:38] <sensei> Why do you keep pasting that link?
[01:38] <humbert> because i dont see an answer to my bug
[01:38] <humbert> normally there is a manual when you have an error
[01:38] <sensei> That's hardly your bug
[01:39] <humbert> THERE IS NO REAL DEBUGGING ?
[01:39] <humbert> sorry no MAJ
[01:39] <sensei> man gdb
[01:39] <sensei> If you know how to debug, you'd know how to find a debugger, so don't bother
[01:40] <Fiya_werkin> sorry, carl_ i think its /dev/hda1, can't seem to get makedvd to work right tho
[01:41] <humbert> so no posibility to debug
[01:42] <sensei> humbert: Surely.. just that I strongly doubt you are able to
[01:42] <sensei> Fiya_werkin: Looking for your burner, are you?
[01:42] <humbert> there is no possibility you take control of my computer ?
[01:42] <humbert> or something like that ?
[01:42] <carl_> do you have a cdrom0 or so in /media?
[01:43] <Fiya_werkin> sensei: found it, it's /dev/hda
[01:43] <sensei> humbert: Yes there is, but you don't want that
[01:43] <humbert> i want a computer working
[01:43] <humbert> just that
[01:43] <Fiya_werkin> getting error : mkisofs: Unable to make a DVD-Video image. trying to burn with makedvd
[01:43] <sensei> Fiya_werkin: Okay, good.. dmesg |grep hda could've told you that ;) Just a tip for next time
[01:43] <Fiya_werkin> i have a feeling it's going to be the same as the mkfifo error i had earlier, can't work on vfat partitions
[01:43] <sensei> humbert: Yeah, then it's not a good idea to invite complete strangers to take control over your pc
[01:44] <sensei> humbert: What's the problem anyways?
[01:44] <humbert> just ktorrent not working
[01:44] <humbert> and my computer gets blocked on internet
[01:44] <sensei> 'not working' that's great
[01:44] <humbert> maybe i dont parameter my computer correctly
[01:45] <crimsun> could you be more descriptive about ktorrent "not working"?
[01:45] <humbert> yes i was thinking linux was reliable
[01:45] <sensei> When you get a flat tire and leave it to the work shop and they ask you what the problem is, you say "it doesn't work"?
[01:45] <humbert> well i know some informatics but on windows
[01:45] <sja> humbert-> some ISP block bit torrent protocol ....
[01:45] <humbert> its my firsts steps on linux
[01:46] <sja> if you can't get Ktorrent working, try Azureus (it's better anyway, IMHO)
[01:46] <humbert> and honnestly i am quite confused to face all these problems
[01:46] <humbert> but i try to improve my understanding of linux distributions
[01:46] <humbert> azureus ?
[01:47] <humbert> like bittorrent ?
[01:47] <sensei> humbert: You have yet to define 'doesn't work'
[01:47] <humbert> well i try to open ktorrent
[01:47] <humbert> and there is a error message
[01:47] <humbert> simple
[01:47] <sensei> WHAT ERROR MESASGE?!
[01:48] <sensei> *breathe slowly ten times and completely ignore humbert*
[01:48] <humbert> application torent stops
[01:48] <humbert> and create a signal 6 SIGABRT
[01:48] <humbert> ignore ?
[01:48] <humbert> you ignore new users in the sh..?
[01:48] <humbert> ok
[01:49] <gemidjy> anyone has idea how to disable "KOrganizer Power daemon" to settle itself in the tray when I start Kontact ? (I dont use reminders)
[01:49] <humbert> i let you use linux and i will use windows like 95% users
[01:49] <humbert> with this behavious be sure not to develop your community
[01:49] <sensei> You excpect someone to stop you?
[01:49] <sensei> expect*
[01:50] <humbert> stop what ?
[01:50] <sensei> nm
[01:50] <humbert> just tell me what i do with this webpage ?
[01:50] <Frederick> folks isnt there a yacc package?
[01:50] <gemidjy> sensei: stfu, dont feed him
[01:51] <sensei> gemidjy: I won't
[01:51] <sensei> Feed it that is
[01:51] <humbert> i copy the indications in konsole ?
[01:51] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there is an amarok 1.4.1 .deb out there for dapper?
[01:51] <gemidjy> humbert: how do u expect to get help after that, so give up
[01:52] <sensei> Frederick: Would byacc do ?
[01:52] <humbert> after what ?
[01:52] <gemidjy> bur[n] er: just was checking amarok.kde.org and sow it is down
[01:52] <Frederick> sensei, I think it would do as bison would do but they are not the same thing
[01:53] <bur[n] er> gemidjy: i think it's because of the digg story
[01:53] <gemidjy> haha, might be
[01:53] <crimsun> bur[n] er: I think imbrandon made some
[01:53] <bur[n] er> gemidjy: i didn't see any mention of one on kubuntu.org... usually mr riddell makes them
[01:53] <sensei> I suppose not, since it'd be redundant if it was :) If you can't find a third party .deb somewhere.. use the source, Luke.. or w/e :)
[01:53] <bur[n] er> crimsun: don't suppose you have an url?
[01:53] <gemidjy> bur[n] er: build from source after all :)
[01:53] <crimsun> bur[n] er: I don't
[01:54] <bur[n] er> I don't wanna get all the dev libs and all that jazz ;)
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> "deb http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/ ./"
[01:54] <bur[n] er> :)
[01:55] <gemidjy> worth trying its stability
[01:56] <bur[n] er> i'm anxious to try the last.fm stuff
[01:57] <gemidjy> i did under slack, it crashed
[01:57] <gemidjy> might be the connection
[01:58] <Glassius> i'm trying to get frequency scaling to work properly on my pentium-m, but for some reasons there only seems to be two available steps, 600mhz and 1,5ghz...any idea on how to get the other steps working?
[01:59] <KinGetana> hmm.. is the mplayer supposed to show me the bitrates and such when playin files?
[01:59] <bur[n] er> mine just worked :\
[02:00] <Glassius> "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies" returns "1500000 600000", the same does cpufreq-info
[02:01] <KinGetana> i somehow just can not find a way to get qualityinformation of my clips.. :(
[02:02] <bur[n] er> KinGetana: kaffeine?
[02:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> Is there going to be an update for the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel?
[02:03] <gemidjy> where can I find the original sources.lst file from Kubuntu Dapper?
[02:03] <crimsun> CheeseBurgerMan: for dapper? no.
[02:04] <sensei> KinGetana: yes
[02:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Alright.
[02:04] <sensei> VIDEO:  MPEG2  480x480  (aspect 2)  29.970 fps  2496.0 kbps (312.0 kbyte/s)
[02:04] <sensei> Like so
[02:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Out of curiosity, why not?
[02:05] <crimsun> CheeseBurgerMan: we don't discard 8 months of stabilisation work to just plop in a new kernel.
[02:05] <gemidjy> Kde seems faster under Kubuntu...strange
[02:05] <gemidjy> were there tweaks on KDE too ?
[02:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK. I thought it was already updated once from <IP_ADDRESS> or something
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> gemidjy: Faster than what ?
[02:06] <gemidjy> h3sp4wn: faster than on other distros
[02:06] <crimsun> CheeseBurgerMan: yes, 2.6.15 (abi 25.43)
[02:07] <KinGetana> bur[n] er: thaks a buck :D finally i got them, funny though, it doesn't play any of those files, but it does show the codecs, still, the bitrate remains a mystery.. any idea how that could be seen?
[02:07] <gemidjy> and why I have only "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-686" while I have Linux 2.6.15-25-386 as kernel (no 2.6.15-25-386 in apt-cache search either)
[02:07] <h3sp4wn> gemidjy: For me kde run's much faster under kanotix (On my laptop with limited resources)
[02:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Pardon the ignorance, but how is this kernel worse than that upgrade?
[02:08] <gemidjy> h3sp4wn: well on my laptop gnome is the fastest environment
[02:08] <KinGetana> sensei: nice, how'd that happen :) ?
[02:09] <Glassius> does anyone have an idea on how to get the other frequency steps working?
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> gemidjy: Do you have alot of memory ? (I only have 256Mb on mine and gnome is dog slow as is kubuntu) but kanotix is fast (and has kde)
[02:09] <TheHighChild> dueyfinster: I played with PSi a bit and got everything working, however I don't think i am going to adopt it. It would take me a whole day just to reauthenticate all of my buddies
[02:10] <sensei> KinGetana: It's in the output when starting a clip just as usual
[02:12] <Kadran> hi all, does any one have any knowlage about 'Layout Engines' like Gecko and Trident
[02:13] <raytray25> does Kontact auto check for mail?
[02:13] <nixternal> if you set it to do so raytray25
[02:13] <nixternal> you need to configure kmail in order to do so
[02:13] <raytray25> Ok.
[02:14] <raytray25> Where under that menu?
[02:15] <nixternal> in kontact goto "Settings > Configure Kmail"
[02:15] <nixternal> then goto "Accounts > Modify"
[02:15] <nixternal> you will see the interval checking there
[02:16] <raytray25> Thank You.
[02:16] <nixternal> np sir
[02:16] <KinGetana> sensei: if it's ok with u, could u kinda draw a map for me? im not quite sure what u mean by "output when starting a clip just as usual", so like mplayer/what/where?
[02:17] <KinGetana> in the options, i just don't see an option saying output, anywhere
[02:17] <m_tadeu> can anyone help with SynCE?
[02:17] <sensei> KinGetana: If you start a clip/movie from a console
[02:18] <sensei> And you'll probably have to scroll up a line or two, and you'll see four lines of [02:18] <sensei> Just over the first set of [02:18] <nixternal> m_tadeu: you might receive a better answer if you visit #synce
[02:19] <nixternal> although there is only 1 person in that channel
[02:19] <m_tadeu> nixternal: would be nice, but noone there :)
[02:19] <nixternal> what issue are you having?
[02:19] <nixternal> are you using syncekonnector
[02:20] <m_tadeu> nixternal: i'm in a previous fase...trying to use rapip
[02:20] <KinGetana> sensei; ok, so i'll just have to get used to using the console :) i'm still kinda stuck in the win time, so more used to grafical solutions, thanks, i'll give it a go o/
[02:21] <sensei> Does anyone know of a debian package for icpld ?
[02:21] <nixternal> ok m_tadeu you just confused me with all that...i have never used synce, as i just posted a comment from their website in my last question
[02:21] <sensei> Or ubuntu
[02:21] <m_tadeu> nixternal: oki...thx anyway :)
[02:22] <nixternal> sorry i couldn't help on that one
[02:23] <m_tadeu> nixternal: its ok...btw, when iptables -L is enptry, it means that everything is open, right?
[02:24] <sensei> Yes
[02:24] <BKaj> things seem ok now , I managed to get automatix installed and it installed my choices ...Yay !
[02:24] <sensei> Well, you could be running ipchains, but that's *highly unlikely*
[02:25] <m_tadeu> thx guys :)
[02:25] <BKaj> but I had to switch to 32 bit cuz the 64 wasn't working for my choices
[02:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Should've used EasyUbuntu. :P
[02:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Works quite well on amd64
[02:31] <BKaj> CheeseBurgerMan: too late now ...hindsight is 20-20 where were ya 6 hrs ago when i was asking for advice :)
[02:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> 6 hours ago I was...exercising. :P
[02:31] <raytray25> Konqueror isn't loading all the images on a website.
[02:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> raytray25: Adblock turned on?
[02:32] <raytray25> actually yes.
[02:32] <raytray25> let me toggle that
[02:32] <raytray25> Ah thanks. is there a way the images can load with ad block off?
[02:32] <lucas> allright i finally installed kubuntu! is there a way to install the nvidia driver patch?
[02:33] <crimsun> it's a known issue if you're using 3.5.3, raytray25
[02:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ow, glad I use Flock.
[02:33] <crimsun> there's a fix for it
[02:33] <raytray25> i'm using 3.5.2 if you talking about konqueror version...
[02:34] <raytray25> Where can i find the fix?
[02:34] <crimsun> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128566
[02:35] <raytray25> is it the thing at the bottem that's called patch?
[02:36] <raytray25> it opened an attachment.cgi
[02:36] <raytray25> what do i do with it?
[02:36] <poopyhead> the kubuntu installer dies at the end when it tries to install grub, could it be that grub doesn't like the xfs partition?
[02:37] <poopyhead> er, rather, my / is xfs and I don't have a separate boot, so does grub just not work on xfs or is it known to work?
[02:37] <crimsun> grub works with xfs
[02:37] <poopyhead> well crap
[02:38] <poopyhead> I was hoping xfs was the problem, trying w/ ext3 now..
[02:49] <lucas> hi
[02:49] <poopyhead> ah, it worked!
[02:49] <lucas> i cant install the nvidia drivers
[02:49] <poopyhead> grub no likie xfs
[02:49] <poopyhead> cya, time to reboot
[02:49] <raytray25> how do add the patch to konqueror?
[02:49] <avcib> lucas: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:49] <sensei> raytray25: Designate an hour or two in your calendar, get the source, use the 'patch' command, rebuild and enjoy
[02:49] <lucas> avcib: thank you.
[02:49] <arcturus> !nvidia
[02:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:49] <raytray25> sensei: i have time now, your not serious are you? source of konqueror?
[02:49] <sensei> I am
[02:50] <raytray25> Where do i find the source?
[02:50] <sensei> I don't know much about the kubuntu way of things, but if you're lucky, some kind soul will apply it and release an update soon
[02:50] <sensei> Oh don't even go there ;) I'm not falling for this one. It's bound to break me down into tears
[02:52] <BKaj> hmmm, can't seem to find the keyboard config list in the hardware ...any sugestions ?
[02:53] <Tommy2k4> how do i configure php to work with mysql
[02:53] <Tommy2k4> phpmyadmin works fine
[02:54] <sysbob> hello
[02:54] <sysbob> could someone please help me instal gimpshop on dapper?
[02:55] <sensei> sysbob: You're asking for someone to hold your hand, or you have an actual question?
[02:55] <sysbob> well i don't see the package anywhere
[02:55] <sysbob> only rpms
[02:55] <sysbob> and i converted the rpm to a deb and it givs me erros
[02:56] <sysbob> so i do't know what to try next
[02:56] <Tommy2k4> maybe try sudo apt-get install gimpshop
[02:56] <sysbob> gimpshop is not a package name
[02:56] <sysbob> in my sources
[02:56] <sensei> http://www.plasticbugs.com/blogimg/gimpshop-2.2.11.tar.bz2  There you go
[02:56] <Tommy2k4> sudo apt-cache search gimpshop
[02:57] <sysbob> that sudo command returns nothing
[02:57] <lucas> avcib: i dont have synaptic
[02:57] <sysbob> sensi: is that tar file sources?
[02:57] <sensei> Yes
[02:57] <sysbob> i wouldn't know howto compile and install from sources
[02:58] <Tommy2k4> ./configure
[02:58] <Tommy2k4> make
[02:58] <sensei> Google knows
[02:58] <Tommy2k4> sudo make install
[02:58] <sensei> And Tommy2k4
[02:58] <bimberi> s/sudo make install/checkinstall/
[02:58] <bimberi> oops, *sudo checkinstall*
[02:58] <bimberi> !checkinstall
[02:58] <ubotu> checkinstall is a replacement for "make install", when compiling. It will inflate a .deb package for you to install, which will then be listed in the database. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[02:58] <arcturus> he needs to install certain install packages, right?
[02:58] <arcturus> utilities of some sort?
[02:59] <sensei> arcturus: Yes, hopefully they exist in the repos, otherwise he's left with sources
[02:59] <arcturus> what are they?
[02:59] <arcturus> simply typing 'make' won't work
[02:59] <arcturus> without the compile utilities
[02:59] <bimberi> !compiling
[02:59] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[03:00] <sensei> build-essensial
[03:00] <sensei> build-essential even
[03:00] <sysbob> okay i am getting a bunch of different advice :(
[03:01] <sysbob> so untar the download step 1
[03:02] <sysbob> then ./compile .. ?
[03:02] <arcturus> i think you need to: apt-get install build-essential
[03:02] <arcturus> this makes the other stuff work
[03:02] <sensei> sysbob: I really see no point in anyone of us sitting here and wite something that 1000000 of people already have written on sites found through google
[03:04] <Tommy2k4> grr
[03:04] <sysbob> sensei: i would know where to begin without some help
[03:04] <sensei> sudo apt-get install build-essential && tar -jxvf gimpshop-2.2.11.tar.bz2 && cd gimpshop-2.2.11 && ./configure && make && checkinstall
[03:04] <Tommy2k4> could my pc get any slower
[03:04] <sensei> There, hope you learned something and never have to ask this again.
[03:05] <sysbob> ./configure is not in the package
[03:05] <sensei> Thing is, most people don't. They're back here, a week later "How do I extract a .tar.bz2 file?".. and wait for someone to spoon feed them again
[03:05] <sensei> Ok, so leave that part out then
[03:05] <sysbob> sudo make gives me errors no target specified
[03:05] <sysbob> no makefile found
[03:06] <sysbob> and i am in the right fdir
[03:06] <sensei> sysbob: sh autogen.sh ?
[03:06] <Tommy2k4> well check
[03:06] <Tommy2k4> type ls
[03:06] <sysbob> gimpshop-2.2.1
[03:06] <sysbob> it's not there
[03:06] <sensei> ffs
[03:06] <sensei> cd gimpshop-2.2.1
[03:07] <sysbob> makefile.msc is all
[03:07] <sysbob> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[03:08] <sysbob> flashpc@flash:~/gimpshop/gimp-2.2.11$
[03:08] <jehnx> How can I change the auto-start options of programs?  I've got amaroK starting as soon as I log in, and I don't wish for it to.
[03:08] <sensei> Ok, I don't know what kinf of package you've downloaded.. but when I downloaded that file, it surely gave me a configure script
[03:09] <sensei> jehnx: Wild stab in the dark, check out ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:09] <jehnx> Yeh, I looked in there but nothing is located in it.
[03:09] <jehnx> Thanks, though.  Anyone else have another idea?
[03:10] <sysbob> okay i ran ./confiure but make still give sme the no target error
[03:11] <sysbob> hrm hold on
[03:11] <sysbob> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is requ
[03:11] <jehnx> Also, oftentimes I open programs, they appear in the taskbar as if they're loading, but they never do load, and eventually disappear from the taskbar.  Ideas on why?
[03:12] <sensei> jehnx: I've 'discovered' that if you don't close a program when you log out/reboot, it's restore with the session next time you log in
[03:12] <sensei> So maybe try and close all apps, log out, and log back in, and see if they still autostart
[03:13] <jehnx> sensei: Ok, well maybe that's it, then, I'll give it a try next time I log out.  Thanks for your input.  :)
[03:13] <sensei> jehnx: Any time
[03:13] <sensei> sysbob: So the natural thing to do is.. ?
[03:14] <sysbob> get xml-parser-pm
[03:14] <avcib> jehnx: go to System Settings and select KDE Components. Then select Session Manager. You can select whether to restore or not your old session there.
[03:14] <jehnx> avcib: Will do.  thanks.  :)
[03:14] <sensei> -perl
[03:15] <jehnx> Also, oftentimes I open programs, they appear in the taskbar as if they're loading, but they never do load, and eventually disappear from the taskbar.  Ideas on why?
[03:15] <avcib> jehnx: Also you can add applications to be excluded from sessions, you can add amarok there
[03:15] <jehnx> avcib: All right.  It seems that when it opens it always wants a root password, too, as do a few other programs I open up, for some reason.
[03:16] <sensei> jehnx: It's because they sometimes need to update root owned files
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> im having the same problem
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> i right clicked a file and went edit as root
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> after like 2mins nothing has came up so i do it again
[03:16] <jehnx> Exactly, tommy2k4.
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> this time the kdesu box comes up so i type pw in and now after 2 mins kate still hasnt opened
[03:17] <Tommy2k4> finally it opened
[03:17] <Tommy2k4> in kwrite instead of kate o_O
[03:18] <vem0m> yea kwrite is sometimes more stable with root as user kate has issues :)
[03:18] <Tommy2k4> ah
[03:18] <jehnx> Anyone know why my sound would be very ... delayed?
[03:18] <avcib> Tommy2k4: might be some problem with kdesu... try typing "kdesu kate path/to/file" from konsole and see what error it gives if any..
[03:18] <jehnx> Like, if an error pops up, it's a good half second to a second before I hear anything.  On another box, it comes up automatically with a sound.
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> avcib, its prolly cos my comp is going amazingly slow for some reason
[03:19] <vem0m> drivers check them or reinstall or initialize them
[03:19] <sensei> jehnx: artsd is a known pile of crap.. at least traditionally, don't know about later versions though
[03:19] <vem0m> reboot
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> ima try ctrl alt escape
[03:19] <vem0m> if that doesn't fix it then PANIC!
[03:19] <sensei> vem0m: First thing to check is always sound daemons
[03:19] <sysbob> so how do i find the package name for XML::Parser perl ?
[03:19] <vem0m> true :P
[03:20] <jehnx> I went into sound config, screwed with it a bit, etc.  I don't have any actual direct drivers for this onboard sound, though, unfortunately.
[03:20] <sensei> sysbob: libxml-parser-perl
[03:20] <vem0m> heh
[03:20] <sysbob> ty ... how could i have found that name for myself so i wouldn't have had to ask?
[03:21] <jehnx> Thanks for you guys' help.  I'm out now.  :)  later
[03:21] <sensei> sysbob: Good question, I like that attitude, unfortunately I cant tell you relly.. I 'just knew'
[03:21] <sensei> Later jehnx
[03:21] <sysbob> :(
[03:21] <murilo> Boa Noite.
[03:22] <sysbob> configure: error: Test for GLIB failed.
[03:22] <sensei> What's the line under it?
[03:23] <sensei> If any
[03:23] <sysbob> configure: error: Test for GLIB failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help.
[03:23] <sysbob> that's all there is
[03:23] <sysbob> it's the last line
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> ive edited php.ini, how do i restart the php/mysql/apache server
[03:23] <Tommy2k4> or would ctrl alt backspace do that automatically
[03:23] <sensei> sysbob: Hm, there should be a few lines above it
[03:24] <sensei> Tommy2k4: No.. /etc/init.d/httpd restart
[03:24] <sensei> or apache or whatever it may be called
[03:24] <sysbob> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.4.5... no
[03:24] <Tommy2k4> bash: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory
[03:25] <sensei> Tommy2k4: "or whatever it may be called"
[03:25] <Tommy2k4> o sry
[03:25] <sysbob> what is GLIB?
[03:26] <Tommy2k4> hm mysql still not working
[03:26] <Tommy2k4> Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/config.inc.php on line 4
[03:26] <sysbob> Perl wrappers for the GLib utility and Object libraries
[03:27] <sensei> sysbob: What does config.log say about glib ?
[03:28] <sensei> And just out of curiosity, what's the differnce between gimp and gimpshop ?
[03:28] <sysbob> conftest.c:49:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory
[03:28] <sensei> Ok, install libglib2.0-dev
[03:28] <sysbob> configure:24296: checking for GLIB - version >= 2.4.5
[03:28] <sensei> -dev means -development, and contains header files (.h)
[03:28] <sysbob> result no
[03:29] <sensei> Those are needed for compiling stuff, while the libglib2.0 package provides the runtime libraries alone which the binaries are linked to
[03:29] <sysbob> libglib-perl in my package manager is a lower version than that
[03:29] <sensei> perl ?
[03:30] <sensei> 21:28:41 < sensei> Ok, install libglib2.0-dev
[03:30] <sysbob> okay ... thanks ... so my question is still how would i know all this stuff?
[03:31] <sensei> If you pay close attention to what people (like me and others who help) say, and actually reflect upon it, you'll learn
[03:31] <sensei> And also, googling and trying (and failing) for yourself is a good way to learn
[03:31] <sysbob> because someone had said there were 100000 guides to this, and i can't even get the package names reuired to build down
[03:32] <sensei> Actually, that was me
[03:32] <sysbob> oh
[03:32] <sensei> But then I got bored and figured, what the heck, I'll cut him some slack
[03:32] <sysbob> well thanks for helping me :)
[03:32] <sysbob> now i need gtk+
[03:33] <sensei> Now, based on what we did with glib.. what do you suggest we install? :)
[03:33] <sysbob> would that be the actual libs of the dev stuff?
[03:33] <sysbob> of = or
[03:33] <mitul> hi I am almost a noob. would this be the right channel to ask some basic question
[03:34] <sysbob> i don't know the package name ...or how to find it
[03:34] <sensei> sysbob: apt-cache search libgtk
[03:34] <Tommy2k4> Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/config.inc.php on line 4
[03:34] <sensei> And since we compile, we need .h files.. and .h files are found in -dev packages
[03:34] <Tommy2k4> why would that happen when phpmyadmin works fine
[03:35] <sensei> Tommy2k4: Maybe phpmyadmin doesn't use mysql_connect() o.O
[03:35] <sysbob> oh geeez ...that gave me back 4 screens of results
[03:35] <sensei> sysbob: Then you pipe that output to your favourite 'pager'.. I suggest less
[03:35] <Tommy2k4> unlikely lol
[03:35] <sensei> As in apt-cache search libgtk | less
[03:35] <sysbob> like } more
[03:36] <sysbob> or | more
[03:36] <sensei> Yeah, or |more
[03:36] <sysbob> still, how do i pick out which packages out of that list to install?
[03:36] <sensei> What's the error message?
[03:37] <sensei> What version does it need, more exactly
[03:37] <sysbob> conftest.c:51:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
[03:37] <sysbob> configure:24296: checking for GLIB - version >= 2.4.5
[03:37] <sensei> The output of the configure script
[03:37] <sysbob> oops
[03:38] <sysbob> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.4... no
[03:38] <sysbob> there
[03:38] <sensei> Okay, so version 2 of libgtk
[03:38] <sysbob> libgtk2.0-dev then?
[03:39] <sensei> Yaay
[03:39] <leppards> where is the config file for the screensavers module
[03:40] <sysbob> that breaks things
[03:40] <sensei> Breaks what? :O
[03:40] <sysbob> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.10.0-2) but it is not goi...
[03:40] <sysbob> Depends: libcairo2-dev but it is not go
[03:41] <sensei> Oh joy, now I'm starting to get lost.. I'm not all that familiar with apt actually
[03:41] <sensei> It won't give you the option to install anyways?
[03:41] <sensei> Or does it say why it won't install them?
[03:43] <sensei> Gah, I only have 29% battery left
[03:44] <Tommy2k4> ffs still cant get mysql working
[03:44] <sysbob> no
[03:44] <sysbob> let me try snyaptic
[03:44] <sysbob> it says Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable ..
[03:44] <sysbob> E: Broken packages
[03:44] <sysbob> and gives no options
[03:44] <sensei> :/ apt weirdness.. I just tried on my system, works here
[03:45] <sensei> But you never answered my question, you owe me that :) What's the difference between gimp and gimpshop ?
[03:46] <Hawkwind> gimpshop is for more video stuff isn't it ?
[03:46] <sensei> Ah ok
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> No, it's a hacked version of gimp made to look like photoshop.
[03:46] <roadrunner> and it sucks =D
[03:46] <roadrunner> Regular GIMP is better (Or regular photoshop)
[03:47] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, I was thinking gimpshop is what used to be called filmgimp
[03:47] <sysbob> Depends: libpango1.0-dev but it is not going to be installed
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: That's now Cinepaint. ;)
[03:48] <Hawkwind> CheeseBurgerMan: That's it.  I get confused in my old age :P
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:48] <sysbob> impshop is gimp skinned into the photoshop interface
[03:48] <roadrunner> Yeah, but like I said, regular Gimp is definately better
[03:48] <roadrunner> or Regular photoshop
[03:48] <sysbob> so it's photoshop for linux
[03:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> To be honest, I found GimpShop weirder than regular Gimp.
[03:49] <roadrunner> I use Photoshop CS2 all the time on my windows machine and it is great. Gimp is also great and feature filled, but gimpshop just seemed to ruin it for me
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use Gimp on Win & Kubuntu :P
[03:49] <roadrunner> They both have extremely high learning curves, pick one and stick with it. I honestly think Gimp is a great contender for photoshop.
[03:49] <roadrunner> Me too Cheeseburger. I am brand new to Kubuntu, I always used Gimp on XP
[03:50] <roadrunner> I am an A+ certified guy, lol, I always used windows. But I discovered I was using more and more open source stuff, so why not go all out? Overall I think Photoshop CS2 does indeed beat out the Gimp, but it is very very close
[03:50] <sysbob> sensi: thanks for the help :)
[03:50] <sensei> Okay, I'm sorry, but as I said, I'm no apt-ninja.. and this is package manager hell! What you could do is install libgtk manually from source.. or find someone who knows his way around apt to sort that out for you.. I gotta save some battery as I'm on my way to a huge presentation in a minute or two
[03:50] <sensei> sysbob: I won't say 'any time'.. but no prolem ;)
[03:50] <sensei> Laters
[03:51] <sysbob> cya
[03:52] <roadrunner> Hey, I have a, hopefully, simple question pertaining to music
[03:52] <OOD> alright
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hopefully you ask it soon so it can be answered. :P
[03:53] <roadrunner> I just switched to Linux as I said, and I connected my Ipod and opened Amarok. I basically just want to copy all of my music off of my Ipod and burn it to my library in Amarok
[03:53] <roadrunner> I was just going to copy/paste it from my opod but then they have sensless crappy filenames and are in no way organized
[03:54] <OOD> have you updated amarok to 1.4 ?
[03:54] <roadrunner> Um... I guess not
[03:54] <roadrunner> I have whatever came with Kubuntu... the newest version
[03:54] <roadrunner> lemme check my Amarok version
[03:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> I *think* that's 1.3.9
[03:54] <OOD> that might help, i think there's better support for ipods
[03:54] <roadrunner> 1.3.9, you are correct
[03:55] <roadrunner> can I update within Amarok, or how should I update it?
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> !amarok
[03:55] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4, and packages are available for Ubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[03:55] <OOD> here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[03:56] <OOD> then just fetch updates and upgrade
[03:56] <OOD> damm i got beaten to it :P
[03:56] <roadrunner> erm... how? lol
[03:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[03:56] <roadrunner> Im looking at it now
[03:56] <roadrunner> I am a complete linux nub =D
[03:56] <OOD> run those 2 lines in konsole
[03:57] <OOD> then go to adept and add that third line to the repository
[03:57] <roadrunner> see, that's weird to switch to, lol
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> roadrunner: add one of the repos to /etc/apt/sources.list then run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[03:57] <roadrunner> Windows, you download everything and run the installer...
[03:57] <OOD> yea
[03:57] <roadrunner> its kinda weird to learn to do everything with the prompt =D
[03:57] <roadrunner> I like it... I like prompts... It's just I have to learn all over again >_<
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> You don't have to, it's just easier to explain. :P
[03:57] <OOD> yea i felt the same way
[03:59] <roadrunner> ok, I ran the first command it downloaded something without a problem
[03:59] <roadrunner> then I ran the second line and got this
[03:59] <roadrunner> roadrunner@roadrunner-desktop:~$ deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[03:59] <roadrunner> bash: deb: command not found
[03:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, you add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:59] <OOD> yea, the 1 line you wrote is actually 2
[04:00] <roadrunner> oh, lol
[04:00] <roadrunner> I copy/paste...  my bad =D
[04:00] <roadrunner> so writing the other line in etc/apt/sources.list is essentially the same as going into the Adept manager, going to mange repositories, and then adding that URL to the server list, right?
[04:01] <OOD> yes
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep
[04:01] <roadrunner> ok, cool... So I could have done this within the gui... I am slowly catching on ^_^
[04:01] <OOD> adept is basically a GUI for apt-get
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Just more universal to debian based distros, and easier for me to explain. :)
[04:01] <roadrunner> I never really understood that...
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Understood what?
[04:02] <roadrunner> the principal behind typing apt-get install nameofsomething
[04:02] <Muki-DA> Anyone know where I can find the ffmpeg plugin for k3b?
[04:02] <roadrunner> what is apt-get? Just something that lets you download packages?
[04:02] <zblach> roadrunner: download & install
[04:02] <Hobbsee> !apt-get
[04:02] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto - also see !synaptic (gnome) or !adept (kde)
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> roadrunner: It automagically installs a package and it's dependancies.
[04:02] <OOD> yesh, and Adept is just a GUI for it
[04:02] <OOD> automagically, lol
[04:02] <zblach> and Synaptic is a better GUI for it ;)
[04:02] <roadrunner> Alright. I figured out how to use the GUI, but I am one that wants to know how to do it myself =D
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> :D
[04:03] <OOD> i hate Synaptic
[04:03] <vem0m> i use apt-get or adept
[04:03] <OOD> but that's just me ;P
[04:03] <roadrunner> apt-get just means to download it... then install says to install whatever you just download. Then the filename is the package you want to download or install, right?
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> I never bother using Adept/Synpatic. They're both fine, but Yakuake makes using apt-get more convenient.
[04:03] <zblach> Yakuake?
[04:03] <OOD> roadrunner: no apt-get is the program name
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, it's a quake style console.
[04:04] <roadrunner> ... so you use the first command, apt-get to tell it that's the program you are using... then install filename simply tells it which file you want to install?
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> It scrolls down from the top of your screen, and you can type in your commands as you would in any other terminal. (konsole for example)
[04:04] <Muki-DA> apt-getting it now =3
[04:04] <roadrunner> and it just browses the repositories you have added in the source.list file?
[04:04] <vem0m> just use terminal and apt-get then lmao
[04:04] <OOD> roadrunner: ues basically
[04:05] <OOD> whatever you can do in Adept, you can do with apt-get in the command line
[04:05] <TheHighChild> anyone using psi?
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's PSI?
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> (that would be a 'no' from me)
[04:07] <TheHighChild> CheeseBurgerMan: It's an Instant Messenger
[04:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[04:07] <vem0m> i use gaim
[04:07] <vem0m> :P
[04:07] <roadrunner> ok, so anyways, I added that to the sources.list file, now what do I do to install it?
[04:07] <lucas> i can't access my floppy drive in konqueror
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> roadrunner: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:08] <OOD> or just press the fetch updated button in adept ;)
[04:08] <kenny> !qt
[04:09] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[04:09] <kenny> i should really memorize that package name lol..
[04:09] <zblach> lib cutie three empty dev
[04:10] <OOD> *tries cs2 in wine* let's see how this goes
[04:10] <roadrunner> um... when I hit fatch updates, it went through the updates, then all of my packages dissapeard
[04:10] <roadrunner> now there aren't any packages showing in adept
[04:10] <OOD> adept's a little buggy
[04:10] <TheHighChild> OOD: let me know. I've heard lots of good things
[04:10] <OOD>  restart it
[04:10] <roadrunner> ok
[04:10] <kenny> kde headers = ?
[04:11] <OOD> kenny: it's kde-devel or something like that
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> !headers
[04:11] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> !kdeheaders
[04:11] <lucas> !mp3
[04:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about kdeheaders
[04:11] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:12] <kenny> OOD: found it it's kdebase-dev just had to see it to remember
[04:12] <SystematicDub> hey all, ok I have a dumb question.  For the DVD kubuntu cds can you have a disk drive and play them or do you need a dvd drive?  Oh, or is it called DVD kubuntu because it's larger so it needs a DVD-RW too work?
[04:13] <OOD> dvd's can only be read in dvd drives
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> The DVD version of Kubuntu you need to have a DVD drive. If you don't, get a CD version.
[04:13] <roadrunner> rofl
[04:13] <cpk1> SystematicDub: are you answering your question inside your question? either they are CD's or DVD's
[04:13] <cpk1> SystematicDub: if its a dvd you need a dvd drive
[04:13] <cpk1> if its a cd you can have either
[04:14] <lucas> hey i cant hear anything when i play it in amarok
[04:14] <driz> !offtopic
[04:15] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubotu: tell lucas about restrictedformats
[04:18] <roadrunner> ok... now, I have 1.4... how do I rip all my music from my Ipod?
[04:19] <kakalto> woo!
[04:19] <kakalto> ^-^
[04:19] <roadrunner> I can play it on my computer... but I want to add it to my library and stuff seperated by Artist/Album... just like WMP used to do
[04:19] <kakalto> japanese input is great
[04:19] <kakalto> =))
[04:19] <OOD> roadrunner: go to options and autodetect media device
[04:19] <OOD> roadrunner: i'm just guessing here since i don't have an iPod ;)
[04:20] <SystematicDub> ok I meant (and yes that first question was answered in a question :-) ) that I would need a dvd-rw if I were to download a kubuntu dvd.
[04:20] <roadrunner> oh, it detected it and everything
[04:20] <SystematicDub> hehe sorry I'm so confusing
[04:21] <roadrunner> and it is listed in my "collection"
[04:21] <roadrunner> but the music is still residing on my Ipod, not my harddrive
[04:21] <roadrunner> I want to copy it somewhere on my harddrive... but Im not seeing any way to do that
[04:21] <roadrunner> Amarok automatically detected the Ipod, so that wasn't a problem... I just don't have any way of getting music off of it
[04:25] <roadrunner> does anyone here use an Ipod with linux?
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> !ipod
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> maybe
[04:26] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, maybe that?
[04:27] <roadrunner> Ill look at it... it seems like that is for adding music... I want to rip my music FROM the ipod TO my pc
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> I know, but it _may_work backwards.
[04:28] <roadrunner> well, sorta... I ripped music to it, but the ipod renames the file names and places them all in one folder
[04:28] <bur[n] er> roadrunner: ever use "yamipod" ?
[04:28] <roadrunner> I want a way to rip them from the media player, that way they will be organized with the Artist/Album/TrackName
[04:28] <OOD> ill be back soon, gonna reboot into xp (whoah haven't done that in ages :P)
[04:29] <OOD> eh?
[04:29] <roadrunner> He doesn't think rebooting into windows is a wise idea =D
[04:29] <bur[n] er> just teasin OOD ;)
[04:29] <roadrunner> lol... because windows sucks
[04:29] <OOD> yesh i see :P
[04:29] <OOD> cs2 refuses to install in wine, so gonna install it in windows and see how it runs in wine :P
[04:30] <roadrunner> lol... I love CS2
[04:30] <roadrunner> that is the only thing I am going to miss about my Windows installation
[04:30] <bur[n] er> silly gamers ;)
[04:30] <roadrunner> (I removed it completely)
[04:30] <zblach> lol
[04:30] <roadrunner> CS2? I thought he was referring to Photoshop CS2
[04:30] <roadrunner> not a video game...
[04:30] <zblach> cs
[04:30] <bur[n] er> aww... I meant to ask ood if he has the latest wine
[04:30] <bur[n] er> oh well
[04:31] <roadrunner> he said he would be back
[04:41] <nxv_> hi
[04:42] <arcturus> has anyone used Istabul?
[04:42] <nxv_> how can i easily encode a video from my digicam? my camera takes small avis. I like to encode them with divx. in windows moviemaker does this. how to do it in linux?
[04:43] <arcturus> oops, that's Istanbul
[04:44] <zblach> i can't even get my webcam working in linux
[04:44] <zblach> ood. you weren'tgone long. enough for only one crash
[04:45] <bimberi> !webcam
[04:45] <OOD> lol, i'm still in windows
[04:45] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:45] <OOD> gonan reboot now :D
[04:45] <Kingbuzzo> !zaurus
[04:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about zaurus
[04:46] <hareem> can some one tell me how to time a session
[04:47] <hareem> ideally setup for internet cafe
[04:47] <bimberi> !info kivio
[04:47] <ubotu> kivio: a flowcharting program for the KDE Office Suite. In repository main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 526 kB, installed size 1752 kB
[04:47] <bimberi> note - that wasn't related to any recent question in the channel :)
[04:48] <hareem> does any one know how to setup kubuntu to work in an internet cafe enviroment
[04:52] <zblach> !webcam
[04:52] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:55] <OOD> no luck so far :(
[04:56] <hareem> does any one know how to setup ubuntu to work in an internet cafe enviroment
[04:57] <OOD> ubuntu autodetects dhcp if that's what you mean
[05:02] <zblach> !webcam
[05:02] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[05:03] <driz> hey people Ukupacha is a windows user can anyone show him the way cause i tried and nothing
[05:03] <driz> please help
[05:04] <Ukupacha> hey! how are you so sure that the way isn't windows?
[05:04] <driz> no flaming remember man
[05:09] <TheHighChild> anyone using PSI?
[05:11] <hareem> does any one know how to setup kubuntu to work in an internet cafe enviroment
[05:34] <ubuntu_> what are your thoughts? kubuntu 6.06 or suse 10.1?
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Asking that in #Kubuntu  surely no one is going to say SuSe.  Go ask that elsewhere
[05:35] <danielfaria> the point is not which one will people say
[05:36] <danielfaria> but their arguments for saying that
[05:36] <danielfaria> im new to linux
[05:36] <danielfaria> and im trying both
[05:36] <OOD> suse takes 5 times as long to download
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Because most everyone in here runs Kubuntu and not SuSe.  It's not rocket science
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Then try both and decide what best suits YOU
[05:37] <danielfaria> i know very little about linux
[05:37] <danielfaria> i dont know what is better, they both look the same
[05:37] <Hawkwind> Like I said, try them both and see what works best for YOU.  Only you can decide that
[05:37] <danielfaria> OOD: i already downloaded them, so this is not an issue anymore lol
[05:38] <danielfaria> i know that, i said i dont have the minimum kknowledge to see what is different among them
[05:39] <OOD> you'd be able to tell from trying them both
[05:39] <Hawkwind> You'll see the differences as you use them
[05:39] <OOD> yea
[05:39] <elknof1> hey   hi everybody, does anyone knows what is difussion gate??  on net preferences...
[06:10] <eqisow> Does anybody know when amaroK 1.4.1 will be added to the Kubuntu.org repositories?
[06:10] <driz> dont know sorry
[06:11] <navid> I installed ubuntu but then changed my mind and installed the kubuntu-desktop and uninstalled ubuntu thoroughly. Now I can't have kdm as my display manager and every time I boot the computer it reaches runlevel 4 and then I have to type " startx ". Any way to set KDM as my display manager?
[06:12] <driz> i'm the only one awake here i think and i dont know what your talking about sorry
[06:13] <eqisow> I'm afraid I'm not sure either, although I'm certain it's possible
[06:14] <navid> Thanks anyway
[06:14] <driz> come back in the morning
[06:15] <eqisow> btw, I've compiled a .deb for amarok 1.4.1 on my Dapper system if anybody is feeling brave. it includes support for last.fm radio streams. :)
[06:16] <OOD> i might, but i'd need to download the kde header files and they take up a lot of space
[06:33] <unix_infidel> hey guys for some reason the openbox.deb didnt create any config files for me not even the defaults.
[06:36] <matt___> !win32codecs
[06:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about win32codecs
[06:41] <hey560> hi, has anyone made amarok 1.4.1 package yet?
[06:41] <eqisow> I have, but I've only tested it on my system
[06:42] <eqisow> I posted it on the amaroK wiki, if you want to give it a whirl and let me know how it goes
[06:42] <hey560> whats the link?
[06:42] <eqisow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[06:43] <hey560> thanks,
[06:43] <eqisow> yw
[06:44] <hey560> if i wanted to build the package myself how would i debianize the source package?
[06:45] <eqisow> do you know how to compile stuff normally?
[06:46] <eqisow> if so, when you get to the make install step, use 'sudo checkinstall -D make install' instead
[06:46] <eqisow> you'll need to install checkinstall, of course
[06:47] <nemo_> Anyone know if I can get a driver to work woth the lexmark x2470? lexmark doesn't have any linux drivers for this model
[06:47] <hey560> yes i know how to compile
[06:47] <hey560> so just that command eh
[06:47] <eqisow> that's it
[06:48] <eqisow> it will create the deb in the source directory
[06:48] <hey560> awsome thanks, i'll give it a shot!
[06:48] <eqisow> gl
[06:48] <eqisow> nemo_, search linuxprinting.org for your printer
[06:48] <eqisow> they have a fairly comprehensive database
[06:48] <nemo_> ok will do thank you
[06:49] <antrax> who have a cd key of vmware workstations 5.5.1
[06:49] <eqisow> and for future reference, HP is the way to go. :)
[06:49] <nemo_> do they have all in ones that work in linux?
[06:50] <antrax> i need install the simulator exam CCNA and router simulator
[06:51] <hey560> do i need to dpkg remove the old amarok?
[06:51] <eqisow> yeah, you'll need to remove the old amarok first
[06:52] <eqisow> nemo, do you mean HP? If so, yes, they have the best Linux support
[06:52] <nemo_> cool, Then maybe I'll just sell this one and go buy an HP
[06:55] <Fiya_werkin> what's it mean when kaffeine gives no plugin found for this source dvd:/
[06:56] <CaptainMorgan> I can't get Kaffeine to display an mpg... I got Libxine-extracodecs, wavpack and w32codecs installed.... Im only getting sound with no display - any Ideas?
[06:57] <Muki-DA> WhereTF is kaudioripper ripping TO?
[06:58] <eqisow> Muki-DA, wherever you tell it to. Check the configuration
[06:59] <Muki-DA> Under "Ripper", all I saw was the location for the temporary directory
[06:59] <Muki-DA> There's also nothing under "Encoder"
[06:59] <eqisow> look under Encoder :)
[06:59] <eqisow> middle section "Encoded File Location"
[07:00] <Muki-DA> THERE we go =3
[07:00] <eqisow> CaptainMorgan, I would suggest using Automatix to install multimedia codecs for you
[07:01] <CaptainMorgan> no familar with that program...?
[07:01] <Muki-DA> If I don't set a temp location, will it just write the file in realtime, or will it make a temp file in some pre-specified location?
[07:01] <eqisow> if that doesn't work, try VLC or MPlayer, they'll play pretty much everything
[07:01] <eqisow> I'm not 100% on that Muki
[07:03] <CaptainMorgan>  eqisow adepts desc on VLC - "for all audio and video formats" :)
[07:03] <CaptainMorgan> oops... eqisow - VLC does the same thing - sound but no display.......
[07:05] <hey560> darn, no FLAC support in amarok 1.4.1
[07:05] <hey560> or i might've compiled it wrong
[07:05] <CaptainMorgan> eqisow: Mplayer does the same thing.... wtf?
[07:05] <OOD> yea i read something about needed some extra.. something for flac
[07:06] <eqisow> Captain, give this a shot
[07:06] <eqisow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190025
[07:07] <eqisow> when you run it, select to install multimedia codecs and the non-free audio and dvd codecs,
[07:10] <CaptainMorgan> eqisow: says something about not using that version if you're running Kubuntu
[07:13] <eqisow> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203294
[07:13] <eqisow> sorry Captain, wrong thread
[07:15] <Zaire> ok just out of curiosity Cedega is under the same GPL and GNU and other linux software right
[07:15] <eqisow> umm, sort of
[07:15] <eqisow> Cedega is GPL, since it's derived from Wine it pretty much has to be
[07:15] <eqisow> but the Point2Play GUI is not
[07:16] <Zaire> well if thats the case then they can't legally charge you money without having a free version then
[07:16] <hey560> cedega is not GPL is it?
[07:16] <hey560> i thought the Cedega guys got the wine code when it was under freeBSD
[07:16] <Zaire> its a part of the wine corp so Im guess yes
[07:16] <eqisow> it is, the source of Cedega is available
[07:16] <eqisow> however, it doesn't include things like support for copy protected CD's
[07:16] <eqisow> since that stuff requires licensing fees
[07:17] <hey560> the code is freely available
[07:17] <hey560> but its not GPL
[07:17] <Zaire> source isnt of much use if you don't know how to use it and they kinda scatter the files around to make it more difficult to get
[07:17] <sja> GPL software is free as in speech, not as in beer -- perfectly legal to charge for open source software
[07:17] <hey560> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedega
[07:18] <eqisow> ah, good catch hey560
[07:18] <eqisow> wasn't aware of that
[07:18] <Zaire> its only legal to charge for the software if you make a copy availabe like I said
[07:18] <sja> You can always charge ... just like Suse and Red Hat do (boxed versions) ...
[07:18] <Zaire> I mean even the base min a demo which they got rid of that I guess
[07:19] <sja> the only caveat is that you must make the source available upon request ...
[07:19] <Zaire> ya but you can get suse and redhat precompiled to
[07:19] <sja> many open source products are commercial
[07:19] <hey560> ya i was shocked when i read that cedega isn't GPL
[07:19] <hey560> its so cheap of them
[07:19] <eqisow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193814&highlight=cvscedega
[07:19] <eqisow> in case anybody is interested in compiling cedega from cvs
[07:19] <Zaire> yea makes me very angry
[07:20] <hey560> i tried through CVS, and got fed up, so i bought it
[07:20] <hey560> lol
[07:20] <hey560> 5 dollars only
[07:20] <Zaire> I don't want to have to renew it all the time though
[07:20] <eqisow> you don't have to, unless you want a new version :/
[07:20] <Zaire> exactly thats kinda the prob
[07:21] <eqisow> Try Wine first though, it runs a surprising ammount of games now
[07:21] <eqisow> it even runs some much better than Cedega
[07:21] <Zaire> would is run BF2 or halflife 2 and 1
[07:21] <Zaire> it*
[07:21] <eqisow> I know it runs hl1 very well
[07:22] <eqisow> I've heard mixed results with hl2
[07:22] <eqisow> and I'm pretty sure BF2 is a no go
[07:22] <eqisow> check http://appdb.winehq.org though
[07:22] <eqisow> but, fyi, HF2 runs very slow even with Cedega
[07:23] <OOD> Wine's gonna put Cedega out of bussiness soon :D
[07:23] <eqisow> it's barely playable on my 6800
[07:23] <Zaire> well it has to be able to play BF2 for sure cause thats one of the games I play a lan parties
[07:23] <jewels9321> OOD: got a question....i am trying to run myst in wine and i got quicktime from adept. but now it is saying that i need to run quicktime in windows and it is not detecting that i already installed it..... i need get titanic game running but i think there was a bug in the game....would you know what i should do with this quicktime thing?
[07:23] <eqisow> about 30 FPSish an 1024 res and lowish settings
[07:23] <Zaire> I would like to know what happened to project David
[07:23] <jewels9321> i did get the titanic game running..... that is what i meant
[07:24] <OOD> jewels9321: the problem is you got linux quicktime, and linux and windows programs can't be mixed like that, you have to get quick time for windows
[07:24] <Zaire> transgaming sux
[07:24] <OOD> jewels9321: and install it with wine
[07:25] <jewels9321> OOD: okay... sounds good....
[07:26] <Zaire> eqisow: check the link http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/WineCVS/
[07:26] <jewels9321> OOD: wine keeps on crashing when I try the games.....are you a wine developer?;)
[07:26] <eqisow> Zaire: access forbidden? oO
[07:26] <MistaED> eqisow: i found when setting up the vertex vram setting and other options that my framerate went up and was able to run at full DX8-level graphics with my 6800GT at a playable framerate
[07:26] <Zaire> yea
[07:26] <Zaire> wth is with that
[07:27] <MistaED> granted it's about double the framerate with DX9 under windows though
[07:27] <OOD> jewels9321: me? never :P coding isn't my thing
[07:27] <eqisow> shrug
[07:27] <MistaED> it's fine for when you just want to play multiplayer and not want to boot into windows
[07:27] <eqisow> MistaED, thanks. I'll try that
[07:28] <OOD> d3d support is still iffy in wine, it'll get better though
[07:28] <Zaire> what is the big difficulty in getting a program to integrate the exe compat with linux damn its frustrating
[07:28] <jewels9321> OOD: is your real name Ouch of death on kubuntu forums
[07:29] <OOD> jewels9321: yes, that'd be me :D
[07:29] <jewels9321> OOD: I knew it.... xeno and i thought so
[07:29] <eqisow> Zaire, it's much more than that. The main issue is implementing the DX API and translating Direct 3D system calls into OpenGL
[07:30] <jewels9321> OOD: I've finally got the hang of working these games in wine, but i keep on having problems still but i have the concepts right
[07:30] <Zaire> I hopes it makes big advances soon cause I don't wanna have ta use winblows at the next lan but may not have to anyway may be getting mac OS x86 for that lol
[07:31] <OOD> mac0S? even worse :D
[07:31] <OOD> you won't even have 3d accelaration :P
[07:31] <Zaire> X86 may be slightly better dunno
[07:31] <Zaire> yea you can if you have an ATI card
[07:31] <OOD> nah, hardware compatiblity would kill you, if you have an nvidia you get no 3d accel
[07:31] <jewels9321> OOD: Is there anyway that you think you could get the dependencies working on the kq4 thing again sometime for me?
[07:32] <Zaire> gonna build a new system before the lan with and ati X1900 crossfire
[07:32] <eqisow> ATI :/
[07:32] <Zaire> ATI has drivers for mac
[07:32] <eqisow> ah, I thought you meant for a Linux system
[07:33] <OOD> jewels9321: yea sure
[07:33] <Jack1> guys can u help me ?
[07:33] <eqisow> we'll try Jack, what's up?
[07:33] <Zaire> nah this is my linux system my other is gonna be mac cause pretty much anything is better then winblows
[07:33] <LionRock> hi
[07:33] <jewels9321> OOD: cool, whenever you're ready to do it for me let me know....
[07:35] <Jack1> firestarter says to me (network) that it has as devces eth0 (ethernet), ppp0 (internet), sit0 (IPv6 Tunnel) so i wonder if i have three active internet connections?
[07:35] <eqisow> no
[07:35] <Jack1> eth0 and ppp0 have the same activity in kb/s
[07:35] <Jack1> ?
[07:35] <eqisow> pp0 is the modem
[07:35] <Jack1> is this allright?
[07:35] <eqisow> ppp0*
[07:36] <Jack1> episow i mean its ok as it is?
[07:36] <Jack1> eqisow i mean
[07:36] <eqisow> seems fine to me :)
[07:40] <OOD> jewels9321: another time, i gotta go
[07:40] <CaptainMorgan> nothing works eqisow
[07:40] <CaptainMorgan> I got every player know installed it seems
[07:40] <CaptainMorgan> known
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> ALL producing sound with no display
[07:41] <eqisow> hmm, where is this file from?
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> regular .mpg
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> tried more than one .mpg as well
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> won't play a single .mpg
[07:41] <CaptainMorgan> err.. won't display a single .smpg
[07:42] <eqisow> hmm..
[07:42] <Zaire> try this apt-get install vlc
[07:42] <eqisow> are you running XGL by chance?
[07:42] <Zaire> vlc will play nearly everything
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> Zaire: already have VLC installed and it does the same thing
[07:42] <Zaire> damn
[07:42] <Zaire> not much it won
[07:42] <Zaire> won't*
[07:43] <CaptainMorgan> gotta be a codecs issue... yet Kaffeine played .mpg's before... and I have the necessary codecs.. I dunno
[07:43] <jbrouhard> Hrm
[07:43] <jbrouhard> damnit
[07:43] <jbrouhard> kftpgrabber crashed repeatedly on me
[07:43] <krinns> hi all
[07:44] <krinns> i want to do printer filtering
[07:44] <krinns> means i have 4 dept and am authenticating my user through ldap
[07:44] <krinns> now what i want is one dept user cant print from 2 dept printer
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> this sux
[07:51] <krinns> helo
[07:51] <krinns> any one knows abt
[07:52] <morrow> you mean apt?
[08:01] <Countryboy> mm
[08:02] <|lostbyte|> GoodMorning :-OZzzzz..
[08:03] <Countryboy> anyone know how to copy all files in a dir from a cd to a place on my hd what would the command be?
[08:04] <nixternal> cp -r /media/cdrom/* /dir_you_want_to_copy_to
[08:04] <nixternal> or you can use konqueror
[08:04] <nixternal> right click-copy and paste
[08:04] <Countryboy> whats the star?
[08:04] <nixternal> that means everything
[08:04] <Countryboy> I know it means wild card but I mean that would copy all files from the cd-r to my hd, I mean with in a dir on the cd rom
[08:05] <nixternal> everything in the /media/cdrom/ directory
[08:05] <nixternal> yes sir
[08:05] <nixternal> and the -r will even copy directories over if they need to be
[08:05] <Countryboy> I need it from this /media/cdrom/backups
[08:05] <Chryseus> *sigh*
[08:05] <Chryseus> then you type that in :)
[08:06] <Countryboy> tried and it says ommiting the dir
[08:06] <nixternal> cd into the directory you want to copy everything to..then type
[08:06] <nixternal> cp -r /media/cdrom/backups/* .
[08:06] <nixternal> copy and paste that in your command line
[08:07] <Countryboy> kk
[08:08] <Countryboy> cd@cd-desktop:/var/cache/apt/archives$ cp -r /media/cdrom/var-cache-apt-archives
[08:08] <Countryboy> cp: missing destination file operand after `/media/cdrom/var-cache-apt-archives'
[08:08] <Countryboy> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[08:08] <Countryboy> cd@cd-desktop:/var/cache/apt/archives$
[08:08] <Countryboy> oops
[08:08] <Countryboy> sorry
[08:09] <Countryboy> meant for paste bin
[08:09] <Countryboy> but thats the error I get anyways
[08:09] <Chryseus> notice the . in the end?
[08:09] <nixternal> exactly
[08:09] <nixternal> you didn't specify a place to copy to..the    .   means paste it right here in the directory im in
[08:10] <Countryboy> the . or *
[08:10] <Chryseus> .
[08:10] <Countryboy> i don't see a dot
[08:10] <nixternal> hey Countryboy..are you copying to /var/cache/apt/archives?
[08:11] <nixternal> you need to do
[08:11] <Countryboy> yes nixternal
[08:11] <nixternal> sudo cp -r /media/cdrom/var-cache-apt-archives/* .
[08:11] <Countryboy> and im sorry im stoned and hurting.. Ususally it doesn't take me this long to catch on lol.
[08:11] <nixternal> haha
[08:11] <Chryseus> :)
[08:11] <nixternal> good times
[08:11] <Countryboy> lol
[08:11] <Countryboy> I don't think I could tie my own shoes right now lol
[08:12] <Countryboy> brb need a dip
[08:22] <Countryboy> ok back I got the munchies
[08:23] <unix_infidel> hey guys, is it possible to get two cursors going with two mice in KUbuntu?
[08:23] <unix_infidel> (i'm abidextrous :P)
[08:24] <unix_infidel> i'm assuming you just create a second xorg.conf section for Mouse2 linked to whatever /dev node udev creats?
[08:24] <Countryboy> nixternal: that last command u said didn't work
[08:24] <nixternal> you got another error?
[08:25] <Countryboy> cp: missing destination file operand after `/media/cdrom/var-cache-apt-archives/*.'
[08:25] <Countryboy> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[08:25] <nixternal> unix_infidel: i have no clue, never ever heard any thing like that in my life ;)
[08:25] <unix_infidel> nixternal: its not common :)
[08:25] <nixternal> ahh.
[08:25] <nixternal> Countryboy: put a space after * and before .
[08:26] <Countryboy> thx that did the trick
[08:26] <Countryboy> damn im dumb when I'm ^
[08:27] <nixternal> hehe
[08:27] <Countryboy> new to ubuntu, installed kubuntu about 10 min b4 I got on here.
[08:27] <nixternal> hehe
[08:27] <nixternal> welcome to the community Countryboy
[08:27] <Countryboy> I had to edit the kppp noauth crap just to be able to get on internet with dialup lol, ubuntu u didn't have 2
[08:28] <nixternal> glad to have another hillbilly around ;)
[08:28] <Countryboy> thx nixternal
[08:28] <nixternal> although i am a yankee, im a hillbilly at heart
[08:28] <Countryboy> :)
[08:28] <Countryboy> this turkey chilli taste nasty
[08:30] <Countryboy> so where ya from nixternal
[08:30] <nixternal> chicago
[08:30] <jbrouhard> aw, crap
[08:30] <jbrouhard> nixternal is not 6 hours from where I live.
[08:30] <nixternal> you know it
[08:30] <jbrouhard> Gives me another excuse to save up on airfare and go shoot him :)
[08:30] <Countryboy> scruff mc scruff here, chicago iL 62660, take a bite out of crime
[08:31] <Countryboy> not sure about zip lol
[08:31] <nixternal> not even close
[08:31] <Countryboy> but cool nixternal
[08:31] <Countryboy> TN here
[08:31] <nixternal> i might be moving to pidgen forge one of these days ;)
[08:31] <Countryboy> lol, ya been here?
[08:32] <nixternal> yup
[08:32] <Countryboy> cool
[08:32] <Countryboy> and ya like it?
[08:32] <Countryboy> well I know ya do, but I mean ya like it enough to move here and not some where else? lol why here
[08:32] <nixternal> it's ok..oh well..back to work...gl Countryboy and welcome to kubuntu
[08:33] <Countryboy> <can't type when im high either lol
[08:33] <Countryboy> thx bro
[08:33] <jbrouhard> TMI
[08:33] <Countryboy> take care
[08:33] <jbrouhard> i think this should be in #offtopic tho :)
[08:33] <nixternal> ;)
[08:33] <Countryboy> whats tmi mean?
[08:34] <Countryboy> to restart X in kde is it still ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:35] <Melchiorre> Countryboy: Too much infor
[08:35] <Melchiorre> *mation
[08:35] <Countryboy> I guess, so the restart X thing?
[08:35] <Melchiorre> yes
[08:35] <nixternal> ctrl + alt + backspace
[08:36] <nixternal> that is correct
[08:36] <Countryboy> roger
[08:36] <Countryboy> thx
[08:38] <Countryboy> Odd I added my back up files of var/cache/apt/archives files and nvidiaglx was one of them, but it says E: couldn't find packge ect ect.
[08:41] <Countryboy> whats this mean
[08:41] <Countryboy> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:41] <Countryboy> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:41] <Countryboy> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:41] <Countryboy> is only available from another source
[08:51] <Jack1>  is someone experienced with gimp? i just have a picture and want to insert a textline into it ...how to do?
[08:52] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:57] <defrysk> Jack1, click the T in the gimp toolbox , its the add text button
[08:59] <Jack1> defrysk yes, i saw that the prob is i cannot move the box with the where i want!
[09:02] <defrysk> Jack1, klick after klicking on the T in the toolbox the picture on the place whre you want to add txt it wil add the txt there then
[09:02] <Melchiorre> Jack1: use the 'move selection' tool (M) and click on the text to move it
[09:02] <defrysk> Melchiorre, thanks
[09:02] <Melchiorre> np ;)
[09:05] <Jack1> Melchiorre defrysk thx guys it worked
[09:06] <Melchiorre> Jack1, cool!
[09:07] <|lostbyte|> Is it possible to have dif wallpapers on diff desktops ?
[09:07] <|lostbyte|> KDE !
[09:07] <Melchiorre> |lostbyte|: absolutely
[09:08] <Jack1> Melchiorre how can i go a step back? make a change unhappen?
[09:08] <Melchiorre> |lostbyte|: there's a dropdown box on the background config screen that lets you choose what desktop your configuring, or all
[09:09] <|lostbyte|> Melchiorre, how is that ?
[09:09] <Melchiorre> Jack1: Ctrl+Z should work
[09:09] <Zaire> well if it isnt lostbyte lol thanks for the suggestion on removing one of my ram chips lol that was the prob with my kubuntu crashing lol
[09:09] <|lostbyte|> Melchiorre, Ahh ! ok.. thanks.
[09:09] <Zaire> prob would have been beating my head against my keyboard after buying a new vidcard lol
[09:10] <Jack1> right Melchiorre file revert, both works i guess, thx
[09:10] <|lostbyte|> Melchiorre, Arg ! i am on xgl :(
[09:11] <Melchiorre> |lostbyte|: ahh, no idea then... sorry :(
[09:11] <Rede> ive installed apache2 via apt, and im wondering how i can get it to start automatically. also if i run the command "sudo apache2" it starts and works, but " sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" has the same output the server doesnt start, is this normal?
[09:11] <Zaire> now all I need is to figure out how to get Nvidia twinview to work lol
[09:11] <Melchiorre> Jack1: heh, true...
[09:11] <|lostbyte|> ok ..
[09:12] <Melchiorre> Rede: Apache should be configured to start at boot automatically...
[09:12] <Melchiorre> Rede: does it not start, or are you just checking that it does?
[09:12] <lowtech> !twinview > lowtech
[09:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about twinview
[09:13] <Rede> if i install "apache" it does. if i install "apache2" it doesnt
[09:13] <Zaire> !twinview
[09:13] <Melchiorre> hmmm
[09:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about twinview
[09:13] <Zaire> nothing damn
[09:13] <Zaire> its tricky I know that much
[09:13] <Rede> im just using my browser to check by typing my ip
[09:13] <lowtech> !nvidia > lowtech
[09:14] <Healot> !find apache
[09:14] <ubotu> Found: apache2, apache2-common, apache2-doc, apache2-mpm-perchild, apache2-mpm-prefork (and 147 others)
[09:14] <Healot> !info apache2-common
[09:14] <ubotu> apache2-common: next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.0.55-4ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 767 kB, installed size 3048 kB
[09:15] <Healot> !find twinview
[09:15] <ubotu> No packages matching 'twinview' could be found
[09:15] <Zaire> !nvidia
[09:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:15] <Zaire> ok thats drivers and no twinview wierd
[09:16] <sonic> Hi there, can anyone help me set up my system mail?
[09:16] <lowtech> Zaire: it must not be too dificult, Hawkwind had his going pretty quickly
[09:16] <Rede> just tried a "sudo ps x" after stopping apache2 (sudo apache2 -k stop) and executing "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" and apache2 is not a running process
[09:16] <nixternal> Zaire: if you search for twinview in either the ubuntuforums or the wiki, there are a couple of pages with twinview info
[09:16] <Rede> but if i type "sudo apache2" it is
[09:16] <SpAwN> happy 4th of july all(that celebrate it)
[09:16] <Zaire> yea I didn't have much luck after about 2 hours lastnight and 2 hours at noon today
[09:16] <Healot> sonic: which mail agent you're trying to install?
[09:17] <sonic> Healot: Not sure, the default one?
[09:17] <MilhousePunkRock> G'morning everyone
[09:17] <sonic> Healot: Whichever will let me get system mail
[09:17] <MilhousePunkRock> What's the best way to upgrade KTorrent to 2.0 for a noob like me?
[09:17] <Melchiorre> Rede: I've never had a problem with apache2 starting, and I'm not sure how to manually configure it to start... anyone else know...?
[09:18] <Zaire> nothing when I type twinview into the ubuntu wiki site
[09:18] <Healot> !find exim
[09:18] <ubotu> Found: exim4-doc-html, adduser-plugin-eximconf, adduser-plugin-eximconf4, exim, exim-doc (and 14 others)
[09:19] <Healot> !find postfix
[09:19] <ubotu> Found: bld-postfix, gforge-mta-postfix, postfix-gld, postfix-policyd, postfix-smtpguard (and 7 others)
[09:21] <Zaire> nothing on twinview what so ever on kubuntu or ubuntu wiki site search
[09:22] <Healot> Zaire: since it's an nvidia thing, how about nvidia's site?
[09:22] <Healot> ubuntuforum maybe?
[09:22] <nixternal> Zaire: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85769&highlight=twinview
[09:23] <sonic> Healot: was that postfix stuff for me?
[09:23] <nixternal> Zaire: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=6510981   <- this is the twinview search
[09:23] <Rede> also, the command executes but there is no resulting output. "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop" does work though
[09:24] <Zaire> k I look cause nvidia site has nothin for linux that I can find so far
[09:24] <nixternal> nvidia's site is rather blah for linux support truthfully
[09:27] <Healot> sonic:, you can choose either i) postfix or ii) exim4 to setup your mail server
[09:27] <Zaire> ok now Im in business this help looks good so far
[09:27] <sonic> Healot: Could you help me set up Postfix?
[09:30] <eXCeSS> anyone have any idea why my friggen kubuntu install forgets my power saving options every reboot
[09:30] <eXCeSS> aka turn my monitor off after 15 minutes of me not being around
[09:33] <Healot> sonic: unfortunately, no
[09:33] <sonic> Healot: Ok, cheers anyway
[09:33] <Healot> here is another one that Linuxers usually use
[09:33] <Healot> !info sendmail
[09:33] <ubotu> sendmail: powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent. In repository universe, is extra. Version 8.13.5-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 188 kB, installed size 244 kB
[09:34] <sonic> Healot: thx
[09:34] <Healot> sonic: a good HOWTO >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.html
[09:34] <sonic> Healot: Thant's great, cheers
[09:48] <MilhousePunkRock> hey exceswater
[09:49] <exceswater> hi MilhousePunkRock
[09:49] <exceswater> :d
[09:49] <exceswater> howdy
[09:49] <MilhousePunkRock> Got Wolf ET to work by now?
[09:49] <exceswater> yup
[09:49] <exceswater> but i have a problem
[09:49] <exceswater> i even installed the mod
[09:49] <exceswater> it works
[09:50] <exceswater> the problem is that the graphic is kinda weird
[09:50] <exceswater> why
[09:51] <Zaire> well this is it time to test the twinview config lol
[09:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Hmmm, I don't have any problems,,,
[09:52] <Zaire> nope
[09:52] <Zaire> nothing lol
[09:52] <Zaire> damn I hate my nvidia lol
[09:53] <exceswater> it seems like is a problem with graphics
[09:53] <exceswater> it's kinda ugly
[09:53] <Zaire> like windows ugly lol
[09:54] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, dont blame nvidia.
[09:54] <|lostbyte|> eXCeSS, the game works perfectly on my fx 5200
[09:54] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, ^^
[09:54] <Zaire> yo lost you have twinview?
[09:55] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, done it once on mandriva, but was'nt so clear..
[09:55] <|lostbyte|> Now my pc is far away from my pc... :(
[09:57] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, try a lower resolution..
[09:57] <Zaire> this is my xorg http://pastebin.ca/78569
[09:59] <exceswater> :d
[09:59] <exceswater> :d
[09:59] <exceswater> it's not about nvidia i think
[09:59] <exceswater> :D
[09:59] <exceswater> i dunno
[09:59] <exceswater> i think it's about drivers
[10:00] <Zaire> dunno I thought the same about my nvidia causing kubuntu to crash then lostbyte suggested I remove ram chips to see if it was one of them and it was lol
[10:00] <exceswater> :D
[10:00] <Zaire> was running a PC 2700 with a 3200 and they clashed I guess lol
[10:00] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, ah ! its you.. Glad it worked.. :P
[10:01] <Zaire> yeps lol
[10:01] <Zaire> my PC 2700 256 wouldn't even boot kubuntu lol
[10:02] <Zaire> glad it was that one and not my PC 3200 512 chip lol
[10:02] <|lostbyte|> :)
[10:02] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, why do you have 2 device sections in your x.org ?
[10:02] <Zaire> I would have beat my head against my keyboard before thinking of the ram chip lol
[10:02] <exceswater> you guys know about that source code stolen from valve :D ?
[10:03] <Zaire> not sure its according to the help thing for setting it up lol
[10:03] <Zaire> http://www.ublug.org/ubuntu/twinview/twinview-howto-breezy.html
[10:04] <Lynoure> Zaire: I'm sorry I'm no help to you today but your persistense is admiring and inspiring on this miserable day.
[10:04] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, dude ! you got to read properly.. it says..
[10:04] <|lostbyte|> "We then have to change it to add all the Options for TwinView to look like this:"
[10:04] <Zaire> lol I missed something as usual
[10:05] <Zaire> and yes Im very determined to not use Winblows lol
[10:05] <|lostbyte|> :)
[10:06] <Zaire> so what I do wrong other then prob the whole thing lol
[10:06] <exceswater> i hate windows
[10:06] <exceswater> money for nothing :D
[10:07] <Zaire> down with microsoft power to the people lol
[10:07] <exceswater> yup
[10:07] <exceswater> freedom
[10:07] <exceswater> peace man
[10:07] <exceswater> and power to the people lol
[10:08] <exceswater> do not feed the beast
[10:09] <Healot> hell no
[10:09] <Healot> I make money with Microsoft products :)
[10:10] <Healot> and start this linux support business with that money
[10:10] <Zaire> I kinda thought it was funny I was telling a friend of a friend I couldn't use windows anymore and he went off on me about whats with all the people that hate MS and theres nothing wrong with MS you know the regular speel and he was trying to quote me on linux drawbacks and I pissed him off by quoting all the plus sides lo typical windows user lol
[10:10] <|lostbyte|> Healot, cool !
[10:10] <Zaire> he hasn't even run linux before lol
[10:11] <Healot> hey I gotta make money somehow..
[10:11] <exceswater> healot
[10:11] <exceswater> how u make money ?
[10:11] <Healot> I run Linux on customers' PC/servers, but not mine
[10:11] <exceswater> i need some ideas
[10:11] <exceswater> :d
[10:11] <exceswater> i am in romania
[10:11] <exceswater> and we are coming in UE next year
[10:11] <Healot> I already have money :)
[10:12] <exceswater> and i think smart ideas could make big money
[10:12] <exceswater> hehe
[10:12] <exceswater> how
[10:12] <MilhousePunkRock> So I gave Kubuntu a shot...
[10:12] <Healot> consultancy make easy money... people pay for good support...
[10:12] <Healot> they do
[10:12] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, did you read the news..
[10:13] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, they call it the nagufilator.
[10:13] <exceswater> hehe
[10:13] <exceswater> support for what ?
[10:13] <exceswater> windows ?
[10:13] <exceswater> do you need employes ?
[10:14] <Lynoure> exceswater: Pretty much whatever you have skills for, if the skills are good.
[10:14] <Healot> exceswater: server/application/network systems...
[10:14] <|lostbyte|> If it was'nt for windows, i would'nt be able to download linux :P
[10:14] <MilhousePunkRock> That stupid WGA tool? I bought this Lappy used including a Win License which I obviously do not have
[10:14] <Healot> exceswater: i live like 1000 miles from your place
[10:14] <exceswater> no problemo
[10:14] <exceswater> :d
[10:14] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: you installed that? heh
[10:14] <word> the application icon for thunderbird is the X thing...how can i change that?
[10:15] <word> not the uh thing .desktop the thing in the top left corner of the app
[10:15] <MilhousePunkRock> It came with the automated updates... If I had known that my Win wasn't exactly legal, I would have denied it
[10:15] <Healot> you never prompted to install? you should the the WGA in the install list, and deselect it from install
[10:16] <MilhousePunkRock> But I was too lazy to go there...
[10:17] <|lostbyte|> WGA is to check for a legal copy.. and thats not a bad thing..
[10:17] <Healot> funny... laziness pays
[10:17] <Healot> |lostbyte|: yup
[10:17] <exceswater> hey guys
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Point is, I did _not_ know that I had a copied Windows... Sure I would not have done automated updates if I knew...
[10:17] <|lostbyte|> the only mistake they made is by not making it public about its workings..
[10:17] <exceswater> i have a problem when i install some games
[10:17] <Healot> but there are too many pirated copies of Microsoft products out there
[10:17] <exceswater> make command doesn't make nothing :D
[10:17] <exceswater> why ?
[10:17] <Healot> even in the USA... hohoho
[10:17] <|lostbyte|> micronuts. also has some greate tools like ms-office.
[10:18] <Healot> make, in which directory you typed "make"
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> WGA does not stop them working, it's just very naggy with a pop-up on boot time and a 5 second break
[10:18] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, thats the point, to nag you.
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> exceswater: You need developer tools to make "make" working
[10:18] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, Cause piracy is bad.  I don't like software piracy either...
[10:19] <Zaire> apt-get install gcc or g++
[10:20] <MilhousePunkRock> There are Open Source tools for nearly any purpose, so there is no need copying...
[10:20] <Healot> build-essential << i like the name
[10:20] <exceswater> hey
[10:20] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, OK ! so you been a prey to it, so go back there and get what you have paid for..
[10:20] <exceswater> how you own a pirated windows and dunno about that
[10:20] <Zaire> exceswater: try apt-get install gcc or g++
[10:21] <MilhousePunkRock> i got it from ebay, it's been quite a while
[10:21] <MilhousePunkRock> and I checked the bill that came with it, doesn't say anything about a windows license there, OF COURSE
[10:21] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, Then i cant blame ebay :P
[10:22] <MilhousePunkRock> There is a sticker with a Key on the bottom of my Laptop, but that wasn't the key they used
[10:22] <MilhousePunkRock> in fact, it wasn't even an OEM IBM Windows, since the key on the sticker did not work
[10:22] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, one email to Microsoft can close that COmpany.. :P
[10:23] <Healot> my Windows XP uses the volume license from my business :-
[10:23] <Healot> no activation, no nagging... one key for all :)
[10:23] <MilhousePunkRock> I can't proof it no more though, since the auction is not saved on ebay any more, after more than 2 yrs
[10:23] <|lostbyte|> nice..
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Lazyness does not always pay though. I could have gotten recovery CDs for the Laptop while it was still on warranty (Jan 06) from IBM for free
[10:24] <Zaire> well I know one thing the way that XP was setup it made it so you had to reg your hardware and once that was done you couldn't install it on other PC's without it being illegal cause the liscense is only for 1 PC
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> I never bothered to call them though...
[10:24] <|lostbyte|> ok
[10:25] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, But every time we change 4 peaces of hardware, it would have to be reactivated..
[10:26] <|lostbyte|> MilhousePunkRock, :)
[10:26] <Zaire> exactly and it would negate the liscense so you would have to buy a new copy all it was is a money grab
[10:26] <word> tehgay
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> 4 pieces, |lostbyte|? I had to do that when I upgraded my Video Card on the other PC
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> And again when I expanded the RAM
[10:27] <|lostbyte|> I feel sad for all the windows users..
[10:27] <Healot> luckily, that doesn't apply to volume licensing
[10:27] <Zaire> the deal with XP and the hardware was bull personally cause I mean what if your PC fries then you get a new one you have to buy a new copy with it cause your legit copy becomes illegal
[10:28] <|lostbyte|> i simply hate the right's side of microsoft..
[10:28] <Zaire> or you mean the fact that they seem to always get away with stuff and only get a slap on the wrist
[10:28] <MilhousePunkRock> I think that's not true, Zaire. If you abandon the old PC, you can take the old Win for the new PC
[10:29] <Healot> Microsoft have to support 27000++ workers... your money support them and their family...
[10:29] <Zaire> as far as I know thats how they set it up cause when you reg I know it reg's your hardware
[10:29] <|lostbyte|> Healot, Point !
[10:29] <MilhousePunkRock> I read something last week that Mr Bill Gates himself likes to download videos off the internet with moot copyrights...
[10:29] <Healot> do you want Microsoft jobs to go to India?
[10:30] <Zaire> I thought they had already lol
[10:30] <MilhousePunkRock> I wouldn't mind Healot
[10:30] <|lostbyte|> no..
[10:30] <Healot> well, Microsoft done that :)
[10:30] <Zaire> doesn't bother me none I don't work for them lol
[10:30] <Healot> i mean like all the job they provide in the USA gone to India?
[10:31] <MilhousePunkRock> The funny thing about M$ is that they always get away with anything...
[10:31] <Zaire> the way I look at it is why worry about something out of my control I mean if he is willing to do that despite making billions what does that say about him
[10:31] <exceswater> if is someone from Paris here
[10:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Besides that, Vista will force a vast majority of PC owners to upgrade the hardware big time
[10:31] <Healot> if Microsoft doesn't pay tax for the US government, Bush will be eating trash :)
[10:31] <exceswater> i heard that there are some jobs there
[10:31] <exceswater> concerning World of Warcraft
[10:32] <exceswater> i cannot remember the name of the company who made it
[10:32] <Healot> EA?
[10:32] <exceswater> nope
[10:32] <Zaire> Blizzard entertainment
[10:32] <exceswater> yup
[10:32] <Healot> wait a sec... blizzard
[10:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Blizzard is the maker of WoW AFAIK
[10:32] <exceswater> blizzard
[10:32] <exceswater> :D
[10:32] <exceswater> nice ideea
[10:32] <MilhousePunkRock> damn ninjaed, Zaire
[10:32] <exceswater> i have an ideea with a friend
[10:32] <exceswater> about a game in same style
[10:32] <Zaire> I have WC 2 and 3 lol
[10:32] <exceswater> but a lot smarter
[10:33] <exceswater> what should i do ?
[10:33] <Zaire> how old are you guys anyway lol
[10:33] <exceswater> hey
[10:33] <exceswater> how i install sdl library ?
[10:34] <exceswater> i installed gcc
[10:34] <exceswater> and g++
[10:34] <Zaire> prob same way
[10:34] <Zaire> apt-get install lol
[10:34] <Healot> there is a precompiled sdl library
[10:34] <Healot> !find libsdl
[10:34] <ubotu> Found: libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-image1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, libsdl-ttf2.0-0 (and 28 others)
[10:34] <Zaire> or check adept lol
[10:34] <exceswater> apt-get install what
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Copying a freaking CD ISO takes more than 10 minutes here...
[10:35] <exceswater> tell me about that sdl
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Wow, you started early Dannilion
[10:35] <exceswater> :d
[10:35] <exceswater> i love kids
[10:35] <exceswater> :d
[10:35] <Dannilion> I like to do things back to front
[10:35] <Dannilion> daughter and house first, then college and job
[10:36] <exceswater> !sdl
[10:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about sdl
[10:36] <Healot> exceswater: try to find libsdl in your favorite isntaller frontend
[10:36] <exceswater> !libsdl
[10:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about libsdl
[10:36] <Healot> and then isntall those *dev packages
[10:36] <exceswater> k
[10:36] <exceswater> i try
[10:36] <exceswater> 10x
[10:36] <Zaire> search for the stufs in adept to might be in there ?
[10:37] <exceswater> heaot
[10:37] <Healot> that's what i told exceswater
[10:37] <exceswater> i did that
[10:37] <exceswater> there are some things installed
[10:37] <exceswater> and some not
[10:38] <Healot> libsdl*dev packages, if you need to compile SDL-based applications
[10:38] <unix_infidel> wow, so i've discovered, multiple cursors in linux is impossible.
[10:38] <exceswater> i wanna play some games
[10:38] <exceswater> tuxcart
[10:38] <Healot> just  install tuxcart
[10:38] <exceswater> i tried ./configure
[10:38] <exceswater> and it sais something about missing sdl libs
[10:38] <Healot> you are compiling then
[10:39] <exceswater> i got this archive from internet
[10:39] <exceswater> and after that
[10:39] <Healot> exceswater" yeah >> libsdl*dev then...
[10:39] <exceswater> unpacker
[10:39] <Healot> those files, and of course your GCC toolchain
[10:39] <exceswater> gcc installed
[10:39] <exceswater> but at libsdl*dev
[10:39] <exceswater> nothing
[10:40] <Healot> exceswater: find the list in your favorite installer frontend
[10:40] <exceswater> yes ?
[10:40] <Healot> libsdl*dev >> wildcard, exceswater
[10:40] <exceswater> i think i know about *
[10:40] <Healot> any name that matches, you shall install that packages
[10:41] <Healot> good
[10:41] <exceswater> so you mean
[10:41] <exceswater> that i have to install all things there with lib sdl and dev ?
[10:41] <Healot> then start searching for thos libsdl*dev
[10:41] <exceswater> developer ?
[10:41] <exceswater> hehe
[10:41] <exceswater> 10x
[10:41] <exceswater> i try
[10:41] <Healot> I am off... office hour is over for today
[10:42] <exceswater> done
[10:42] <exceswater> 10x healot
[10:42] <exceswater> :d
[10:42] <exceswater> it's installing right now
[10:43] <exceswater> is there any business channel on irc.freenode ?
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone know how I import something to KTorrent for seeding? I have both the torrent file and the completely downloaded file
[10:46] <exceswater> i think that if you downloaded... you should leae ktorrent open
[10:47] <exceswater> and you will be seed
[10:47] <exceswater> i am not sure
[10:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, I opened the torrent
[10:47] <MilhousePunkRock> and it started downloading again right away
[10:48] <exceswater> :D
[10:48] <exceswater> no
[10:48] <exceswater> not open the torrent again
[10:49] <exceswater> if you didn't copied the file somewhere else
[10:49] <exceswater> i think you just will have to download it again
[10:49] <exceswater> :D
[10:52] <Zaire> damn cant get Unreal tourny to even start to install
[10:52] <exceswater> how it's MilhousePunkRock
[10:52] <exceswater> ?????
[10:56] <unix_infidel> anyone here having problems using openbox on breezy?
[10:56] <unix_infidel> it didnt create any rc or menu files for me.
[11:08] <Zaire> well Im out getting late laters
[11:09] <unix_infidel> is anyone else having problems with breezy and getting openbox to startup correctly...a
[11:11] <Steven_M> does anyone here use midnight commder?
[11:12] <sensei> Occasionally
[11:12] <exceswater> it's nice ?
[11:13] <exceswater> it's like total commander for win ?
[11:13] <sensei> Yeah, kind of.. just.. uglier :)
[11:14] <exceswater> how i can install it ?
[11:14] <sensei> There's gentoo for GUI
[11:14] <mindspin> norton commander was more "alike"
[11:14] <sensei> Which is the same
[11:15] <sensei> Was? :) *still using nc like once every 6 months* ;)
[11:15] <mindspin> no dos around here anyways
[11:16] <unix_infidel> there's always thunar too.
[11:16] <unix_infidel> its a nice browser if you dont mind the default ugly gtk theme.
[11:16] <unix_infidel> you can always change the gtk theme and icon set theme :)
[11:16] <sensei> exceswater: You're aware that mc is for the console? There's a gui program with the same general idea called 'gentoo'
[11:16] <unix_infidel> wow, openbox has gotta be the biggest biznitch to config from startup.
[11:17] <sensei> unix_infidel: What can thunar do that nautilus can't?
[11:17] <unix_infidel> its less functional...more minimalist.
[11:17] <unix_infidel> some can appreciate that.
[11:17] <exceswater> :d
[11:17] <exceswater> ok
[11:17] <exceswater> gentoo
[11:17] <exceswater> i have a problem
[11:17] <unix_infidel> its just looks nice imho.
[11:17] <exceswater> make command is not working
[11:17] <exceswater> why ?>
[11:18] <sensei> !configure
[11:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about configure
[11:18] <sensei> !make
[11:18] <jleibold> can anyone help me getting tvtime to work?
[11:18] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[11:18] <sensei> exceswater: gentoo is in apt though
[11:18] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[11:19] <Steven_M> sensei: do know how to make mc pause for outfit for things like ping?
[11:19] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:19] <exceswater> cannot find build essential
[11:19] <|lostbyte|> jleibold, xgl ?
[11:20] <jleibold> lostbyte, xorg
[11:20] <sensei> Steven_M: I'm not sure what you mean, so I'm guessing no :)
[11:20] <jleibold> lostbyte tvtime runs but only get 1 frame every 10 to 20 seconds
[11:20] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, Thats not possible..
[11:21] <jleibold> xawtv works great
[11:21] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, sudo apt-get update
[11:21] <|lostbyte|> then try..
[11:21] <exceswater> what is after all that gentoo
[11:22] <|lostbyte|> jleibold, Try lowering some features ..
[11:22] <|lostbyte|> jleibold, like full-resolution
[11:22] <|lostbyte|> duplix
[11:22] <|lostbyte|> and let it to blur..
[11:23] <jleibold> lowered everything possible no changes
[11:23] <|lostbyte|> Does you pc slow down ?
[11:24] <jleibold> yes i see that msp3400 produces heavy cpu load
[11:25] <jleibold> even the menu within tvtime is slow
[11:26] <jleibold> have hauppauge wintv with bt848a chipset and nvidia binary drivers
[11:26] <|lostbyte|> jleibold, xawtv is another alternative.
[11:28] <jleibold> lostbyte, xawtv works fine - no way to get tvtime to work?
[11:29] <exceswater> hey pplz
[11:29] <exceswater> plz tell me how can i install something
[11:29] <exceswater> i have gcc
[11:29] <exceswater> and g++
[11:29] <sensei> exceswater: Did you read:
[11:29] <sensei> !make
[11:29] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[11:29] <exceswater> i make: ./configure
[11:29] <|lostbyte|> exceswater, what do you want to install ?
[11:29] <exceswater> it's ok
[11:29] <exceswater> but installer sais ./ configure
[11:29] <exceswater> then: make
[11:30] <exceswater> and make does nothing
[11:30] <exceswater> it says doesn't exist
[11:30] <exceswater> tuxcart
[11:30] <exceswater> :D
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> jleibold, some where in tv-time is your solution, dont really know..
[11:30] <exceswater> i want tuxcart
[11:30] <sensei> exceswater: sudo apt-get install tuxkart
[11:30] <MistaED> exceswater: try planet penguin racer
[11:30] <thomas> hey guys... what's a neat ftp/fxp client?
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> eXCeSS, read the README that came with it.
[11:30] <thomas> i used to use flashfxp...
[11:31] <MistaED> it's the same thing only PPR is being developed from tuxracer
[11:31] <exceswater> :D
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> thomas, konqueror.
[11:31] <exceswater> kart is nicer
[11:32] <exceswater> hey
[11:32] <exceswater> different question
[11:33] <exceswater> are sport shoes expensive in your countrys ?
[11:33] <sensei> exceswater: That goes into #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:33] <blaq> how do i get dvd playback working?
[11:33] <sensei> But, yes ;)
[11:34] <blaq> a search for 'dvd' on the kubuntu wiki doesn't tell me anything
[11:34] <blaq> cant find anything about dvd in help
[11:34] <exceswater> !dvd
[11:34] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> blaq, install kmplayer
[11:34] <exceswater> sense where are u from ?
[11:34] <sensei> exceswater: Born in Sweden, living in the UK
[11:34] <exceswater> :D
[11:35] <blaq> i have been able to play dvds in kaffeine in previous installs
[11:35] <blaq> but i cant remember how i did it
[11:35] <blaq> i cant see this being an uncommon problem
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> blaq, file > open dvd
[11:36] <Pupeno_> Does anybody know of any keyboard, other than Contour that has all the control, alt, shift, etc keys in the thumbs area ?
[11:36] <blaq> yeah cheers mate
[11:36] <blaq> haven't fucking tried that
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> Weird !
[11:40] <unix_infidel> Pupeno_: that's gotta be the ugliest keyboard i've ever seen :P
[11:40] <Pupeno_> unix_infidel: I am not searching for preatiness in a keyboard.
[11:40] <unix_infidel> might as well develop something revolutionary then :P
[11:45] <Pupeno_> unix_infidel: just having those keys next to the thumb would aliviate my stressed "outter" fingers.
[11:45] <unix_infidel> Pupeno_: then get a thinkpad.
[11:45] <Pupeno_> unix_infidel: err... I have two.
[11:46] <Dannilion> I have a small problem with my sound- it's delayed
[11:46] <unix_infidel> heh, and that keyboard isnt good enough for ya?
[11:46] <sensei> What keyboard? *curious*
[11:46] <unix_infidel> sensei: google images Contour Keyboard
[11:46] <Pupeno_> unix_infidel: of course no!
[11:46] <sensei> ok
[11:46] <unix_infidel> Pupeno_: its the finest keyboard i've come across and had no stress whatsoever.
[11:47] <Zaire> back lol
[11:47] <Dannilion> so am I
[11:47] <Pupeno_> unix_infidel: I have my outter fingres very stressed of using the ctrl and alt key. Besides that, one of the notebook has a spanish keyboard, the other a german keyboard and I use US Dvorak... so, I am less than satisfied with both.
[11:47] <Zaire> does anyone know what  what this means
[11:47] <Zaire> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[11:47] <Zaire> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:47] <Zaire> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:47] <Zaire> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[11:47] <Zaire> History:
[11:47] <Zaire> Exiting due to error
[11:48] <sensei> Hm, the bowl seems a bit deep :O
[11:48] <iBrood> My kuubntu installation icon wont work. can someone please help me.
[11:48] <sensei> Zaire: Does your drivers do gl stuff?
[11:48] <sensei> What graphics card have you got?
[11:48] <Zaire> FX 5300
[11:48] <Zaire> 5200*
[11:48] <sensei> !nvidia
[11:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:49] <sensei> Using those?
[11:49] <fek> does anybody know, where the profiles of konsole are saved?
[11:49] <Zaire> I have the actual Nvidia driver installed at the moment
[11:49] <sensei> fek: ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc
[11:50] <sensei> and konsole.eventsr
[11:50] <sensei> c
[11:50] <sensei> Zaire: M'kay, so add Load "glx" to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file under the Section "Module"
[11:50] <fek> sensei: thanks
[11:50] <sensei> np
[11:51] <Zaire> its already in there by default
[11:51] <sensei> Zaire: Okay, see if you can find anything about it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:53] <unix_infidel> what database management system is good for the beginner to play around with??
[11:54] <Healot> Microsoft Access?
[11:54] <unix_infidel> b/w postgres mysql or whatever.
[11:54] <unix_infidel> Healot: that barely qualifies as a decent databse tool.
[11:54] <Healot> it is a professional tool
[11:54] <Zaire> this is the xorg log http://pastebin.ca/78607
[11:55] <unix_infidel> Healot: you must think you are i ##windows :P
[11:56] <pablo_> hello
[11:56] <Healot> nah... unix_infidel for mmysql >> mysqladmin is sufficient
[11:56] <pablo_> just installed kubuntu the other day
[11:56] <Zaire> sensei: this is the xorg log http://pastebin.ca/78607
[11:56] <sensei> Zaire: For some reason it can't load GLcore, which results in glx not being loaded :O
[11:56] <pablo_> and have a drama with samba
[11:56] <sensei> GLcore doesn't exist on your system
[11:56] <pablo_> have checked wiki & faqs all over the place, but no joy
[11:57] <Zaire> thats impossible
[11:57] <Healot> !find libgl
[11:57] <ubotu> Found: freeglut3, freeglut3-dev, gle-doc, libgl1-mesa, libgl1-mesa-dev (and 66 others)
[11:57] <pablo_> i'm using kubuntu as a workstation [and loving it]
[11:57] <pablo_> and i have a fedora core 5 dev server
[11:57] <Dannilion> I refuse to delete Kubunut
[11:57] <Dannilion> *Kubuntu
[11:58] <nekromaan> hello i compiled a new kernel and get this error msg http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=443368 and i cant mount my second hard drive
[11:58] <sensei> Zaire: Why's that?
[11:58] <thomas> another question: what editor can you suggest? mostly for xhtml/php/css coding
[11:58] <pablo_> when i connect throught konqueror using smb://username@server/share
[11:58] <pablo_> it's all cool
[11:58] <pablo_> when i try to mount through fstab the following happens
[11:59] <sensei> thomas: emacs if you don't mind getting your hands dirty for an initial period of time
[11:59] <pablo_> the owner and group are displayed as the user id numbers instead of username
[11:59] <pablo_> same with groups
[11:59] <pablo_> so it's not allowing access
[11:59] <pablo_> useing security=user
[11:59] <thomas> well, i already tried emacs... and at the moment i don't have that much time for getting into it...
[11:59] <pablo_> any ideas???
[11:59] <sensei> pablo_: Try security=share ?
[12:00] <pablo_> won't that let everyone in?
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> pablo_, pastebin pls.
[12:00] <sensei> thomas: I think kate can do some syntax highlighting
[12:00] <pablo_> will try now
[12:00] <pablo_> thanks
[12:00] <Zaire> sensei: my xorg.conf has the glcore added to the modules section
[12:00] <pablo_> 'k
[12:00] <sensei> Zaire: If you add the module "Iknowthismoduledoesn'texistonmycomputer", it's impossible that that module doesn't exist? :)
[12:01] <Healot> !find php
[12:01] <ubotu> Found: libapache2-mod-php5, php-pear, php5, php5-cgi, php5-cli (and 176 others)
[12:02] <xanax`> hello
[12:02] <Zaire> damn Ive changed my xorg so many times now its hard to tell if I have a clean backup lol
[12:02] <Healot> xorg.conf~
[12:02] <Healot> that's your backup file
[12:03] <Zaire> not on mine it isnt lol
[12:03] <Zaire> I have about 20 backups now lol and that isnt one of them lol
[12:05] <sensei> Zaire: Have you rebooted since you installed the nvidia drivers?
[12:05] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, hi, you paste bin'd one 30 min back... here http://pastebin.ca/78569
[12:05] <Zaire> yeps many times lol
[12:05] <sensei> And you're using the "nvidia" module in xorg? Not "nv" ?
[12:06] <sensei> For "Device" that is
[12:06] <Zaire> thats a previous one that didn't work
[12:06] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, where i told you u had two sections..
[12:07] <jochua> salut
[12:07] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, remove the first device section completely..
[12:07] <franco3> salut
[12:08] <Zaire> not sure thats a good idea lol
[12:08] <Dannilion> eh oh
[12:08] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, as you have two of them..
[12:09] <franco3> bye all
[12:09] <|lostbyte|> franco3, bye !
[12:10] <NekoEd> I had a question if anyone could help me.
[12:10] <|lostbyte|> !ask
[12:10] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:10] <NekoEd> Haha. Sorry im sure to getting flamed for not being a genius.
[12:10] <larson9999> since you're on the subject of nvidia drivers, i've had two different computers with this problem with dapper: the hw recognition somehow things i have a different card and uses the intel* driver and won't use the nvidia one even though i've installed it properly. i just rm'd the offending module and the nvidia module gets used.
[12:11] <musiclinux> does anyone know how to get K3B to accept MP3s so I can make an audio CD?
[12:11] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, disable it in the bios.
[12:11] <Healot> !mp3
[12:11] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:11] <NekoEd> Ok i have kubuntu set up on my server, port 80 and 90 forwarded to it , and dns software running. But still noone can see them.
[12:11] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[12:11] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[12:12] <musiclinux> I already have Lame installed but k3b can't see it as a plugin
[12:12] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: no, i don't really have two video cards.  the hw detection things i do, though.  this happened on 2 of the 5 or so sysstems i've installed ubuntu on.  there's a thread out there of others having this issue with dapper.
[12:12] <|lostbyte|> NekoEd, dns software ?
[12:13] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, You dont have a built it one ?
[12:13] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: nope
[12:13] <NekoEd> Ya. I have no-ip.coms linux version of there software running.
[12:14] <pablo_> pastebin is killing me
[12:14] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, how do you know its using intel ?
[12:14] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: just mentioning it here in case you see someone who said he's followed the instructions and still can't get nvidia drivers working.  a quick lsmod will rule this out as an issue
[12:14] <Zaire> pastbin xorg restored
[12:14] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: lsmod shows it
[12:15] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, do you have the nvidia module loaded ?
[12:15] <NekoEd> When i type <domain>:90 i can see my webpages. but no one else can.
[12:15] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, lspci | grep AGP
[12:16] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: yes,  i've been using nvidia drivers since the 90's.  i don't have an issue installing it. it's a bug in dapper.
[12:16] <|lostbyte|> NekoEd, so your dynamic dns update client is working..
[12:17] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: i solved my issue a long time ago.  just figured i'd pass the info
[12:17] <NekoEd> Yes it is. |lostbyte
[12:17] <Lynoure> NekoEd: does dns lookup give the right ip for the domain? (or have you check that already?)
[12:18] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, ah ! ok.. so what was the solution... ?
[12:18] <pablo_> zaire & lostbyte: tried security = share
[12:18] <NekoEd> ive nto done a dns look up just a ping
[12:18] <Zaire> I get the same error still
[12:18] <Lynoure> Neko: try both on your machine and further away
[12:18] <pablo_> user changes to root on everything - might be because root mounted it
[12:18] <pablo_> group still ids
[12:18] <pablo_> owner - not user - changed to root - sry
[12:18] <pablo_> pastebin is giving me no love
[12:19] <Zaire> I took out the first devices section and restarted kdm and nothign same error
[12:20] <|lostbyte|> NekoEd, whats your domain name ?
[12:20] <sensei> Zaire: paste your xorg.conf in pastebin
[12:20] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: i just rm'd the intel module.  then it uses the nvidia module as it should.  i suppose you could rename it or something if you didn't want to rm it.  this was a bit of problem for me since it was my first time with a debian system.  i'd installed nvidia a million times on rh systems.  at first i was like, wtf.  i did find a thread on it.
[12:20] <sensei> |lostbyte|: Solution is to move the intel module to a dir outside of xorgs realm
[12:21] <Zaire> http://pastebin.ca/78617
[12:21] <pablo_> not zaire, sensei
[12:21] <pablo_> sry sensei
[12:22] <|lostbyte|> larson9999, removing the xserver-xorg-driver-i740 and xserver-xorg-driver-i128 package, would that work ?
[12:23] <|lostbyte|> sensei, ^^
[12:23] <Zaire> http://pastebin.ca/78617
[12:23] <larson9999> |lostbyte|: don't know but it sounds like it might be a more elegant solution than the one i picked.
[12:23] <sensei> |lostbyte|: That'd probably do as well, yes :)
[12:23] <sensei> Fancy pants solution hehe
[12:23] <larson9999> lol
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> :P lolz
[12:24] <Zaire> http://pastebin.ca/78617
[12:24] <sensei> Zaire: What does slocate GLcore say ?
[12:25] <ken___> Please excuse just testing/learning
[12:26] <sensei> Zaire: Open a console, and type: slocate GLcore
[12:26] <Zaire> command does nothin
[12:26] <RawSewage> why isnt Skype in the repos
[12:27] <sensei> Zaire: Sure it does.. It just doesn't show anything
[12:27] <Zaire> go to skyp site and d/l the .deb
[12:27] <sensei> So, you don't have GLcore
[12:27] <RawSewage> ok
[12:27] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, add it then..
[12:28] <RawSewage> Im not a developer, Champ
[12:28] <Zaire> rinse and repeat till your nick changes to clean lol
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, neither am i dude ! i meant ---------> eb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, neither am i dude ! i meant ---------> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:29] <RawSewage> oh
[12:29] <RawSewage> whats the advantage of that
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, direct access from adept.
[12:29] <RawSewage> as opposed to downloading the deb from their site
[12:30] <RawSewage> ok
[12:30] <RawSewage> ty
[12:30] <|lostbyte|> np
[12:30] <Zaire> whats wrong with downloading from skype thats what I did lol
[12:30] <RawSewage> nothing
[12:31] <RawSewage> ok, added to repos
[12:31] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, cool !
[12:32] <RawSewage> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:32] <RawSewage> its hanging
[12:33] <RawSewage> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:33] <bimberi> !skype
[12:33] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:34] <Zaire> so let me get this straight I am running an OS that is basically dependant on the GLcore and yet I have no GLcore :S
[12:34] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, does'nt for me..
[12:34] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, hangs where ?
[12:34] <RawSewage> ok
[12:34] <RawSewage> ... trying again
[12:35] <RawSewage> the  Skype isnt hanging it
[12:35] <RawSewage> Waiting for headers 99%
[12:35] <sensei> Gah, I give up.. Does anyone know if it's possible to be able to click links in konsole and have them opened in any browser?
[12:35] <sensei> Or at least konq ?
[12:35] <RawSewage> I think it's a Compiz thing hanging it up
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, i am on compiz too..
[12:36] <RawSewage> do you have a broken package
[12:36] <RawSewage> in the updates
[12:36] <kbrooks> EVERYONE: Has EasyUbuntu 3.02.1 ever commented out ALL the entries in your sources.list when you asked it to save the sources.list that it generates?
[12:36] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, like ?
[12:36] <RawSewage> I forget.  some sort of 2D thingee
[12:36] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, everything works fine here, ( touch wood )
[12:37] <RawSewage> Im talking about the Updater
[12:37] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, i use apt-get update
[12:37] <kbrooks> EVERYONE: Has EasyUbuntu 3.02.1 ever commented out ALL the entries in your sources.list when you asked it to save the sources.list that it generates?
[12:37] <larson9999> sensei: from konsole?  i don't think so.
[12:37] <sensei> larson9999: Shite :/
[12:38] <RawSewage> |lostbyte|, how is your video playback in Compiz.  mine is jerky in fullscreen
[12:38] <Zaire> damn....well I gtg its 4:30 in the morning lol bed times for me lol
[12:38] <sensei> Nite
[12:38] <Zaire> laters
[12:38] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, mine starts with a 2 second jerk and goes smooth..
[12:38] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i set to a user ONLY can read and modify his home?
[12:38] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, i use mplayer.
[12:38] <RawSewage> fullscreen
[12:39] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, 5200 fx, 512 mb HERE, YOU ?
[12:39] <|lostbyte|> 512 is my ram by the way..
[12:39] <kbrooks> MetaMorfoziS: that's impossible
[12:39] <kbrooks> MetaMorfoziS: errr....
[12:39] <RawSewage> 4200
[12:39] <RawSewage> 512 I believe
[12:39] <kbrooks> MetaMorfoziS: sorry, misread
[12:39] <sensei> kbrooks: chroot ?
[12:40] <MetaMorfoziS> how?
[12:40] <sensei> MetaMorfoziS: It's a bit of work and it'll waste some space, but chroot can do that
[12:40] <kbrooks> sensei: ?
[12:40] <|lostbyte|> MetaMorfoziS, sudo chmod a-xrw /home/<name> -R
[12:40] <RawSewage> whats hanging is  au.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:41] <sensei> |lostbyte|: That way he'll be able to read /usr /var /opt and so on anyways
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> RawSewage, oh :) mirrior is down i guess.
[12:41] <MetaMorfoziS> and where is the username coming?
[12:41] <RawSewage> yeah
[12:41] <MetaMorfoziS> oh
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> sensei, you ref to MetaMorfoziS  ?
[12:41] <MetaMorfoziS> hm!:)
[12:41] <sensei> |lostbyte|: Yeah
[12:42] <sensei> |lostbyte|: I think we understood his request differently :)
[12:42] <|lostbyte|> sensei, he does'nt want others to read and write to his home..
[12:42] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[12:42] <MetaMorfoziS> it isn't work
[12:42] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm on /
[12:42] <|lostbyte|> :)
[12:42] <MetaMorfoziS> from that account
[12:42] <sensei> I understood it as if he wanted the user to not be able to leave his home dir
[12:42] <MetaMorfoziS> yes!
[12:42] <sensei> MetaMorfoziS: Then you want chroot
[12:43] <|lostbyte|> ahh !
[12:43] <kbrooks> I like the move...
[12:43] <MetaMorfoziS> how?
[12:43] <MetaMorfoziS> how chroot works?
[12:43] <sensei> man chroot
[12:43] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, but where the username comes?
[12:43] <grizzly> Any editor for terminal with colours like kate ?
[12:43] <MetaMorfoziS> chroot newroot
[12:44] <MetaMorfoziS> but where it knows what user's home changing?