[13:15] <twojukeboksi> I've been observing that putting an US to sleep while JACK is on does not lead to JACK needing a restart after wakeup, just the patchbay connections need to be re-established
[13:16] <twojukeboksi> this would indicate that it could be possible to use US as everyday laptop OS.
[13:18] <twojukeboksi> I've installed one on this laptop, but there was the weirdest putoff: The weather panel widget, it suddenly has only some german channel for weather for Helsinki, instead of various providers and various locations, also it does not apply its settings, coz it does not display the temperature, even as it should
[13:19] <twojukeboksi> Which is weird coz I've installed 3 instances of US 20.10 where the weather widget has no such problems with the same stick
[13:20] <twojukeboksi> the patchbay thing could prlly be automized by a script, all currently need to connect is the midi-controller to fluidsynth
[13:53] <MauroGaspari[m]> <twojukeboksi "the patchbay thing could prlly b"> I have automated carla patch bay and rack wirh login script,  that will autostart it and minimize on login. You can find that in my article on frontpagelinux.com
[13:56] <MauroGaspari[m]> This for ubuntu studio 20.10 https://frontpagelinux.com/tutorials/ubuntu-studio-20-10-audio-setup-tutorial/
[13:56] <MauroGaspari[m]> And this for studio controls installed on ubuntu budgie (can apply to most GTK based ubuntu flavours) https://frontpagelinux.com/tutorials/easily-install-jack-audio-with-ubuntu-studio-installer/
[14:18] <twojukeboksi> MauroGaspari[m]: Big thanks! Reading, bookmarked
[14:45] <MauroGaspari[m]> twojukeboksi no worries, happy to help. Ubuntu Studio is great!
[14:45] <twojukeboksi> Yeah, I love it, it is so memory frugal
[14:52] <twojukeboksi> now exporting the last virtual machine as an appliance
[14:53] <twojukeboksi> weird thing the weather widget suddenly being all poor in sources and broken in that it does not implement its settings
[14:54] <twojukeboksi> not the worst of brokenness, but kinda weird when you've just installed working ones from the same USB-stick and then one doesn't work
[14:56] <OvenWerks> twojukeboksi: I have had the same problem with weather applets, the source changes the way they lay things out and the applet dev has to have time to re do that part.
[14:58] <twojukeboksi> thanks for that info
[14:58] <OvenWerks> twojukeboksi: aside from using Carla to automate port connections it would be possible to use a session manager or there is a commandline utility called jack-plumbing that will make connections according to a config file.
[15:01] <twojukeboksi> kinda weird that in my dedicated US machine, which I installed almost immediately after 20.10 came out weather data and display is just fine, but in the new install it is not
[15:02] <twojukeboksi> OvenWerks: Thank you for that information.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> It is odd, I am on 20.04 and weather worked for about 6 months and now I can't use it anymore.
[15:16] <skycandy[m]> Hi, I've a question...
[15:16] <skycandy[m]> Short...
[15:17] <OvenWerks> don't ask to ask....
[15:18] <skycandy[m]> How can I reboor Ubuntu Studio, by Terminal or another way, with an currently running System, without shutting the Power of my Workstation down???
[15:18] <skycandy[m]> I only need to renew the runing componentes and overload them while running the system...
[15:18] <skycandy[m]> Is there any possible way, or finished apt to install?
[15:18] <skycandy[m]> reboor = reboot
[15:18] <OvenWerks> sudo reboot?
[15:19] <skycandy[m]> No, this is shutting down the system and boot it again...
[15:19] <OvenWerks> if you use control-alt-F2 to get a terminal then even control-alt-del should work
[15:20] <OvenWerks> sudo reboot should work... if you try that and it doesn't work what output do you have?
[15:27] <skycandy[m]> My System shuts down, power goe sshortly off, then it boots normal from beginning... I has all fast boot options and so configured in BIOS... So when I Power on with wake on lan, the system Boots into UBUNTUSTUDIO, thats all fine...
[15:29] <skycandy[m]> I thought there ios an option to "OverRole the System with a new boot, while running the UBUNTUSTUDIO without power off, or screen off, or anything you would see while rebooting...
[15:29] <OvenWerks> Do you mean run a VM?
[15:31] <skycandy[m]> No... I has no Hypervizor atm... I ned to Hot-Reboot the system with all running components, Tools and Programms...
[15:31] <OvenWerks> A reboot will, by definition, reset the system to about the same as power on
[15:32] <skycandy[m]> So like a refresh of the running System, if it is buggy at many edges, and not knotting fine the corners, boxes and vCores...
[15:33] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what you mean or what purpose that has. I do know that both xfce and plasma can be set to restart the same applications that were running before but my experience with that is that the applications are not exactly like I left them.
[15:33] <MauroGaspari[m]> As OvenWerks said, a reboot is just that. If you do not want to reboot you can restart services. But at some point especially after kernel updates, you will need to reboot. If you are afraid of issues for remote machines,  you can mitigate by using remote access cards such as iDRAC for Dell servers. Or by using generic PDU-over-IP and KVM-over-IP
[15:34] <MauroGaspari[m]> And if you must keep virtual machines, or databases online at all costs  well at that point you need a cluster
[15:34] <OvenWerks> you could also try logout and login, but my experience there (ever since systemd) has been that something are not restarted
[15:35] <skycandy[m]> I am running an AiR-ChatBox, with much Cnutted Bluetooth STuff and WiFi LEDs and in BlackLight, and flying Scripting-Streams and Stuff... Its bad for the Head when it cracks down, and need to reset Power, is like a kill.
[15:36] <skycandy[m]> I must start everytime new...
[15:36] <skycandy[m]> Need to fly home, here is all full of COVIS SRS...
[15:37] <OvenWerks> this sounds beyond what you are likely to find on this channel, have you asked on #ubuntu?
[15:41] <skycandy[m]> No, what Kind of Systems are normal in EUR:DE to fly in next LTE-BOX, I kindly new in Jumpin again, I lost all... Was in a JumpSquad from U.S.E. and had a bad crash, I remember not much...
[15:42] <skycandy[m]> Sorry Guys...
[15:43] <skycandy[m]> I got the MB for an PyBow imported, but can't load into the Bot.
[15:44] <skycandy[m]> So I use the UBUNTUSTUDIO to find Island, because of the X-Render...
[15:44] <OvenWerks> I actually have no idea what most of the things you refer to mean... I have no idea how you would use ubuntustudio to find an island
[15:45] <OvenWerks> The questions you are asking do not seem to be about ubuntustudio specific applications at all and so we probably can't help you
[15:53] <skycandy[m]> Yes it is okay! Thank u for listening, and your interest in helpin...
[17:43] <twojukeboksi> Hmm... I'm seeing a bug that looks about the same on KDE neon and Ubuntu Studio: In KDE neon sometimes when reconnecting my ThunderBolt 3 dock the system settings sees the mono input of the dock, but the stereo out is nowhere to be seen.
[17:43] <twojukeboksi> I'm observing this now on US in the QasMixer
[17:44] <OvenWerks> twojukeboksi: that would be generic to all ubuntu
[17:44] <twojukeboksi> most likely yes.
[17:45] <twojukeboksi> something missing or wrong in some driver thingy or something like that
[17:45] <OvenWerks> It would be a mix of kernel, modules, udev, etc
[17:45] <OvenWerks> could also be timing
[17:45] <twojukeboksi> I never took the course on "how to make operating systems"-course, I would have been even more lost than usually at the dept
[17:46] <OvenWerks> one of the things to look at is /proc/asound/<device>/subdirectories
[17:46] <OvenWerks> when you are having the problem
[17:47] <twojukeboksi> there are three cards there. I'm assuming that the dock is the last one because it is the last one in the HW-view of Qasmixer
[17:49] <OvenWerks> in the card* direcory there should be both pcm<num>c and pcm<num>p
[17:49] <OvenWerks> the c is capture (your mic) and thge p is playback
[17:53] <OvenWerks> My guess is that your ThunderBolt dock shows it's audio device as a USB device so /proc/asound/card<num>/usb* are files to look for
[17:53] <twojukeboksi> OvenWerks: /proc/asound/card2/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params just contains "closed", could this be why the playback on the dock are not appearing to the system?
[17:53] <OvenWerks> closed just means it is not being used right now
[17:54] <OvenWerks> if the pcm0p/sub0/ subdirectory is there, then ALSA has correctly detected the device
[17:55] <twojukeboksi> I cannot figure out why the mono in shows up in the Ubuntue, while the stereo-out is not seen by the system
[17:57] <twojukeboksi> On KDE neon my hackaround is just to disconnect and reconnect the dock till for an unknown reason it does detect also the stereo out and switch to it
[17:58] <OvenWerks> If I have trouble with my cheap USB devices it is normally the playback that fails
[17:58] <OvenWerks> What name does the dock audio show up as?
[18:00] <twojukeboksi> Card: Lenovo ThinkPad Thunderbolt 3 Dock USB at usb-0000:09:00.0-<IP_ADDRESS>, full speed
[18:00] <OvenWerks> (cat /proc/asound/cards with and without the dock which one shows up with dock)
[18:00] <twojukeboksi> I'm sure it is card2
[18:00] <OvenWerks> What is the name in the []
[18:00] <twojukeboksi> card zero is the internal audio, card one is my modeling guitar amp
[18:01] <twojukeboksi> inside is [USB]
[18:02] <OvenWerks> Ah, so hard to know the chip used
[18:03] <twojukeboksi> This is the Lenovo ThinkPad Thunderbolt 3 dock Gen 2 if that helps
[18:04] <OvenWerks> I wonder which part of the device gets set up by ALSA first
[18:07] <OvenWerks> I am guessing playback may get setup sometimes before the device has settled.
[18:07] <OvenWerks> is your dock self powered or is it powered from the thunderbolt bus?
[18:15] <twojukeboksi> dock charges my laptop
[18:16] <OvenWerks> So the audio device should be powered up before the laptop is plugged in.
[18:16] <twojukeboksi> yeah it is
[18:17] <OvenWerks> (though depending on the chip, the analog protion may be doc powered and the USB portion by the laptop)
[18:18] <twojukeboksi> I don't think so. The dock has a 135W power supply so that the laptop and also any attached USB devices get their juice
[18:22] <OvenWerks> in any case I would call it the ALSA USB module. I would guess startup timing.
[18:24] <twojukeboksi> so some sleep somewhere could help?
[18:26] <twojukeboksi> it is probably some ALSA thing, because it exhibits in KDE neon too where it can usually be fixed by unplugging and replugging the thunderbolt cable a few times and hoping that something falls into the right state
[18:27] <OvenWerks> Yeah, but in the module itself... so not sleep
[18:29] <OvenWerks> sleep is bad in any real time code
[18:29] <OvenWerks> (or kernel code)
[18:30] <twojukeboksi> Hey. I just got it to work by selecting it from Studio Controls to be USB Master.
[18:30] <twojukeboksi> I'll see what happens if I "accidentally" unplug the thunderbolt cable
[18:30] <OvenWerks> JACK does an ALSA reset as part of its startup
[18:31] <OvenWerks> So maybe a udev rule that reset alsa?
[18:36] <twojukeboksi> I dunno. Now the thing went into a no audio at all state. I'll reboot, it would be awesome if I could use US as everyday OS, coz then I'd really discover its possibilities when I don't need to go to another computer to do it
[18:42] <twojukeboksi> yeah, after restart the dock output is working
[18:55] <twojukeboksi> now importing the VirtualBox appliance, the first one seemed ok with the 6.1.16 extension pack for version 6.1.14


[02:50] <davi2> can someone help me get mythubuntu going
[02:51] <iamlindoro> not unless you ask an actual question
[02:52] <davi2> i'm getting an error that says my backend can't connect to mysql
[02:53] <davi2> i installed mythbuntu already
[02:53] <davi2> i have mysql
[02:53] <davi2> hello?
[02:54] <iamlindoro> patient, that one.
[02:59] <flip_543> hello all--- I have a problem--- I can watch PCHDTV 3000 based recordings but live has really bad audio and video dropouts.  Is this a known issue?  I can better explain if needed.
[03:06] <flip_543> mythfrontend terminal output for livetv  is here: http://pastebin.ca/1037452
[03:15] <flip_543> sorry, I didn't read the MOTD-- here is my terminal output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16517/
[03:19] <flip_543> that was with playback profile = cpu--
[03:23] <flip_543> thinking it might be a  decoder problem,  here is playback profile CPU++   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16518/
[03:24] <flip_543> darn-- I forgot to mention this is QAM 256 ONLY problem.  Broadcast ATSC is fine live and recorded.
[03:31] <defendguin> does anyone know how to watch mythtv recordings using totem?
[03:32] <defendguin> my totem doesn't seem to pick any videos
[03:33] <defendguin> even though there is clearly a smb share called recordings on my mythbuntu box.   or does it rely on the myth box streaming the videos
[03:33] <defendguin> ?
[03:33] <superm1> you need to install the totem-plugins-extra package
[03:41] <defendguin> the plugin is installed
[03:41] <defendguin> and i don't mean i just installed it now
[03:42] <defendguin> the little sidebar drop down box says mythtv recording
[03:42] <defendguin> s
[03:45] <defendguin> do i have to enable the nfs service?
[03:50] <superm1> oh sorry
[03:50] <flip_543> does anyone know where I can start trying to find the root cause of QAM256 Live content not playing correctly, when recordings and  Live ATSC broadcast is fine?
[03:51] <superm1> you need to open gconf-editor
[03:51] <superm1> and then add your password
[03:51] <superm1> and hostname
[03:51] <superm1> and that's it
[03:51] <superm1> recordings of that same QAM256 work?
[03:51] <superm1> flip_543, ^
[03:51] <flip_543> yup
[03:52] <superm1> well that's just crazy
[03:52] <flip_543> I know-- I've been trying for over a week to figure it out.
[03:53] <flip_543> I'm at wit's end.
[03:53] <superm1> what kinds of errors do you get?
[03:54] <flip_543> there was a cx88 audio patch in the last kernel update, but it didn't help.
[03:54] <flip_543> my pastebins are above
[03:55] <superm1> so they open up
[03:55] <superm1> and what happens
[03:55] <superm1> no video or audio?
[03:55] <flip_543> garbled audio and blocky video
[03:55] <superm1> you using pulse audio?
[03:55] <flip_543> yup
[03:55] <superm1> do you have to?
[03:56] <flip_543> I suppose not
[03:56] <superm1> and when you say latest kernel, your on 2.6.24-17 right?
[03:56] <superm1> there was a scheduling related patch in it that should help folks with HD performance issues (which this can turn out to be)
[03:56] <superm1> if you can remove pulseaudio at least for now, it's just an extra item here that can cause complications
[03:56] <defendguin> superm1: that is so silly for them to release the plugin without the configuration tool
[03:56] <flip_543> I got -17
[03:56] <superm1> especially with the mmap errors you have listed
[03:57] <superm1> defendguin, yeah i know
[03:58] <defendguin> superm1: it needs my db username and password or the user account for the box?
[03:59] <flip_543> I can bypass pulse by setting everything to ALSA in Gnome Sound Setting manager right?\
[04:00] <superm1> db
[04:00] <superm1> defendguin, ^
[04:01] <superm1> flip_543, i'm not sure
[04:01] <defendguin> gracias
[04:01] <superm1> all i know is make sure pulseaudio's daemon isn't running
[04:01] <superm1> and it's not set in ~/.asoundrc
[04:02] <flip_543> is pulse a known issue for some?
[04:02] <superm1> it just can cause complications, so it's easier to prove things are working without it
[04:02] <superm1> and then add it back in after you do so
[04:03] <flip_543> right on- gimmee a minute to kill the server
[04:08] <defendguin> where the heck can i look at the DB password?
[04:09] <defendguin> i didn't see it in the backend setup screens
[04:09] <superm1> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[04:10] <flip_543> brb
[04:16] <defendguin> superm1: mythtv took away the option to say what time of day to do a download of data from SD?
[04:16] <superm1> maybe?
[04:16] <defendguin> i needed that option and i don't see it anymore :(
[04:16] <superm1> why do you need it?
[04:17] <superm1> you can always have a cron job run and do it if you need to
[04:17] <defendguin> video playback would lock up when it did a download
[04:17] <iamlindoro> It's still where it's always been
[04:18] <defendguin> no its not i'm at that screen now and i don't see anything
[04:18] <iamlindoro> General settings in the frontend, seven pages in
[04:18] <iamlindoro> execution start and end, the end.
[04:18] <defendguin> why would you configure that on the front end side?   ugg so confusing
[04:19] <flip_543> <- had to restart X server
[04:19] <defendguin> i am in the backend setup where it asks for my SD user name and password
[04:19] <iamlindoro> So much for "No it's not."
[04:19] <defendguin> it used to be there i thought
[04:19] <iamlindoro> Nope.
[04:19] <defendguin> in the video source setup
[04:19] <iamlindoro> Nope.
[04:36] <defendguin> iamlindoro superm1   THANKS FOR THE INFO
[06:21] <emacla> Can mythbuntu get programs (the program guide) in Sweden?
[07:43] <foxbuntu> emacla, depends on your data source
[10:23] <Bob24> hello
[10:25] <Bob24> could someone please tell me what is a good program for partitioning on Mythbuntu?
[10:26] <hads> cfdisk is fairly easy
[10:28] <Bob24> hads could you please tell me how to see if mythbuntu has detected my 500gb hard drive
[10:29] <hads> If you issue a cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[10:29] <hads> from a terminal then you should see your drive listed.
[10:39] <bob25> does this apply for sata drives as well
[10:39] <hads> Yes. You could also use lshw
[10:40] <hads> `sudo lshw -class disk` should do it.
[10:42] <bob25> k cool, using the cat /proc/scsi/scsi command and found the hdd, but now how do i create a partition so i can use it
[10:43] <bob25> as a storage drive for recordings and videos for mythbuntu
[10:45] <hads> You would use fdisk/cfdisk to create a partition on it then mount it
[10:47] <hads> sudo cfdisk /dev/sdx (where x is a/b/c/whatever)
[10:48] <bob25> when i use the scsi command will where it says Host: scsi4 would that be the drive?
[10:49] <hads> Use `sudo lshw -class disk` - that should tell you.
[10:51] <bob25> cool yep worked
[10:52] <bob25> just another thing
[10:53] <bob25> it detects my 500gb as a 465gb, i no that its not supposed to detect it as exaclty 500 but is it suppoesed to be 35gb less?
[10:54] <laga> yeah, i think that's plausible
[10:54] <laga> that's<PHONE_NUMBER>00 bytes
[10:54] <laga> which is 465GB :)
[11:06] <Bob24> k ive just partitioned the disk, now how would i be able to use the disk with my recordings so i can see it in the frontend.
[11:06] <Bob24> ?
[11:07] <laga> you need to format it (i recommend xfs), add it to /etc/fstab, then add it in your storage group in mythtv-setup
[11:07] <laga> of course, you need also need to mount it and set up permissions :)
[11:07] <laga> we really need a nice graphical way for this
[11:18] <Bob24> laga could you tell me which section i go to to add the storage device
[11:18] <Bob24> ?
[11:18] <hads> Just to be different I'll recommend JFS :)
[11:18] <hads> Bob24: You'd do that in mythtv-setup
[11:19] <Bob24> is that in the frontend
[11:19] <Bob24> would it be Myth-Stream
[11:20] <hads> Huh? No, mythtv-setup
[11:26] <Bob24> ok on my Frontend i have an option Utilities/Setup
[11:26] <Bob24> then in their which one would i pick
[11:26] <laga> no
[11:26] <laga> it'S not in the frontend
[11:27] <laga> open the mythbuntu control centre
[11:27] <Bob24> oh
[11:27] <laga> or even better, just open mythtv-setup from the xfce menu
[11:31] <Bob24> ok yep then do i create a group?
[11:31] <Bob24> or db backup
[11:31] <Bob24> or live tv
[11:33] <laga> you should already have a default group
[11:50] <Bob24> laga could you please explain to me how to add the hdd to fstab
[11:51] <Bob24> sry i just not very familiar with this system
[11:51] <laga> Bob24: not off-hand. :) i'm sure google has lots of information.. maybe also the mythbuntu forums
[11:51] <laga> try searching the mythbuntu forums first, yeah
[11:51]  * laga goes back to homework
[11:52] <Bob24> ok thanks for your help
[11:54] <Bob24> ok i realized how to get into fstab, but im not sure what to type in their
[12:00] <Bob24> would i type /dev/sda    /mnt    logical     defaaults    0    0
[12:01] <Bob24>  i want to add a sata drive
[12:02] <laga> well, for starts
[12:02] <laga>  /dev/sda is the complete disk, you need the partition, eg sda1 or sda5
[12:02] <laga> and it's spelled "defaults", not "defaaults"
[12:02] <laga> and "logical" isn't a valid file system
[12:04] <Bob24> how would i find if its sda1 or sda5 in logical name it shows /dev/sda
[12:04] <laga> where do you see this logical name?
[12:04] <hads> You'd put the filesystem name in there, which is whatever you formatted the partition as.
[12:05] <Bob24> when i type lshw -class disk
[12:05] <hads> Yes well that's the name of the disk.
[12:06] <Bob24> i used cfdisk to partition it
[12:06] <hads> If you added one partition and one only then it would be called sda1.
[12:06] <hads> Which would be quite odd since you should already have a drive called that.
[12:07] <Bob24> k i found it, it says sda5
[12:07] <Bob24> in cfdisk
[12:07] <laga> where is your other disk?
[12:08] <Bob24> u mean the bootable one
[12:08] <laga> yes
[12:08] <Bob24> hda1
[12:08] <laga> ah. good.
[12:08] <hads> heh yeah :)
[12:09] <Bob24> k so would i add /dev/sda   /mnt/sda5 right
[12:10] <hads> No, you need to do some reading on the format of fstab
[12:11] <Bob24> is their a simpler way of just adding it automatically
[12:11] <hads> What filsystem did you put on the partition?
[12:12] <Bob24> Linux
[12:13] <Bob24> its a logical partition
[12:15] <hads> Adding a partition is the first step, you need to put a filesystem on it.
[12:16] <Bob24> is says FS tyoe: Linux
[12:16] <Bob24> or is that somrthing else
[12:17] <Bob24> what filesystem should i create as
[12:17] <Bob24> ?
[12:20] <Bob24> or should i keep it as Linux
[12:20] <laga> try XFS.
[12:20] <laga> you can't create file systems in cfdisk..
[12:20] <laga> hey, maybe try gparted, that's a graphical tool.
[12:21] <hads> Yeah, might be easier.
[12:21] <Bob24> im in the meno for it in cfdisk
[12:22] <laga> Bob24: no, you can mark the partition as containing a file system, eg "linux", but you still need to create it
[12:23] <Bob24> ok
[12:26] <hads> http://www.xawk.com/ubuntu-add-hard-drive.html http://www.smorgasbord.net/how-to-install-second-hard-drive-in-ubuntu-linux/
[12:30] <Bob24> is scanning devices in Gparted supposed to take a while
[12:34] <Bob24> is their any other program i can use
[14:04] <MythbuntuGuest48> Hello all
[14:04] <schamane_> moin
[14:05] <schamane_> got a small problem
[14:05] <schamane_> Fatal Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/channels.php, line 65:
[14:05] <schamane_> No channels were detected. Are you sure that MythTV is properly configured?
[14:05] <schamane_> how can i import an channellist?
[14:05] <schamane_> where can i get some?
[14:05] <MythbuntuGuest48> heh least yours seems to have installed! :)
[14:06] <schamane_> the problem ist, the technotrend card isnt connected right now :(
[14:07] <schamane_> can i download channellist?
[14:07] <schamane_> and codecs
[14:08] <MythbuntuGuest48> anyone able to help with some mythbuntu install issues?
[14:08] <laga> MythbuntuGuest48: just ask a question :)
[14:08] <MythbuntuGuest48> oh :)
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> Well, ive been tryin to install mythbuntu for over 5 hours now :(
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> and cant seem to have any luck!
[14:09] <schamane_> freezes?
[14:09] <schamane_> at 15 %
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> Yeah
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> not neccessarily 15%
[14:09] <schamane_> not enough ram
[14:09] <schamane_> got the same
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> but it seems to freeze randomly, more specifically after install
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> i have 4gbs!
[14:09] <MythbuntuGuest48> :_
[14:09] <schamane_> used more ram (and another PC, but RAM was the only difference)
[14:10] <schamane_> hui
[14:10] <schamane_> checked cd for defects?
[14:10] <laga> MythbuntuGuest48: try the alternate disk?
[14:10] <MythbuntuGuest48> i wrote the iso again, in case the initial write was a tad corrupt...
[14:11] <MythbuntuGuest48> im yet to try a new iso download...
[14:11] <MythbuntuGuest48> ive just popped out 2 1gb RAM modules..
[14:11] <MythbuntuGuest48> and can get the live environ. working...
[14:11] <MythbuntuGuest48> which isnt anything new...
[14:11] <laga> :(
[14:11] <laga> i gotta run now unfortunately, i'll probably be back later
[14:11] <MythbuntuGuest48> just about to try install... i have an nvidia 9600gt
[14:12] <MythbuntuGuest48> should i just use open source drivers ?
[14:12] <MythbuntuGuest48> oh ok, thanks anyway!
[14:13] <schamane_> MythbuntuGuest48: just check cd for defects when it boots
[14:13] <MythbuntuGuest48> yeah ive done that...
[14:13] <MythbuntuGuest48> it gets to the end of the progress bar...
[14:13] <MythbuntuGuest48> and then just stops...
[14:13] <MythbuntuGuest48> no reports or anything...
[14:13] <MythbuntuGuest48> and if i tap any key the system reboots! :)
[14:14] <schamane_> then i think its defect
[14:14] <MythbuntuGuest48> really ?
[14:14] <MythbuntuGuest48> hmm m
[14:14] <MythbuntuGuest48> maybe tomorrow ill try download again and write!
[14:14] <schamane_> its not normal
[14:14] <MythbuntuGuest48> whats the diff between alternate and destop downloads ?s
[14:15] <schamane_> but the idea with trying 2 GB is good too
[14:15] <MythbuntuGuest48> yeah, ive tried soooo many things! :D
[14:15] <MythbuntuGuest48> i thought trying to dual boot with vista would be the biggest part of my troubles...
[14:15] <MythbuntuGuest48> but i cant even get a singular install of myth going! :)
[14:15] <MythbuntuGuest48> 67% of install atm!
[14:16] <MythbuntuGuest48> 80%
[14:16] <MythbuntuGuest48> Schamane, thanks for your help, i appreciate it
[14:16] <MythbuntuGuest48> !
[14:16] <schamane_> no prob
[14:17] <MythbuntuGuest48> detecting hardware...
[14:17] <MythbuntuGuest48> hmm this is where id expect things to go bad! :)
[14:18] <MythbuntuGuest48> 96%!
[14:18] <MythbuntuGuest48> ok, the only REAL things i did differently here were an advanced install with all the efault options instead of standard!
[14:18] <MythbuntuGuest48> thats even MORE confusing! :(
[14:18] <MythbuntuGuest48> Its got as far as ive ever been
[14:19] <MythbuntuGuest48> wow....it seems to have worked.
[14:27] <schamane_> tada
[14:28] <schamane_> cd was broken?
[14:29] <MythbuntuGuest48> no doesnt seem to have been!?
[14:30] <MythbuntuGuest48> same one all along...
[14:30] <MythbuntuGuest48> i did an advanced installation, and removed 2gbs of RAM
[14:32] <MythbuntuGuest48> So im guessing one of those two things fixed it!
[14:33] <MythbuntuGuest48> anyway, more research tomorrow, its 2am here! :(
[14:33] <MythbuntuGuest48> thanks again schamane!
[15:25] <schamane_> someone able to help me with my channel list problem?
[15:25] <schamane_> No channels were detected.  Are you sure that MythTV is properly configured?
[15:25] <schamane_> were can i configure channel list?
[15:25] <schamane_> i switched to west germany
[15:26] <schamane_> where i am
[15:26] <schamane_> but same failure
[16:14] <sabhain> schamane_ do you have both the tuner card and the sources configured?
[16:14] <sabhain> and can you describe your setup?  analog / digital ... etc?
[16:39] <schamane_> sabhain: yes
[16:40] <schamane_> i switches to dvb
[16:40] <schamane_> cause i got an technotrend FF 1.5
[16:40] <schamane_> source is /dev/dvb0
[16:40] <schamane_> its digital
[19:46] <toorima> every few minutes i get the following in my auth.log any one know why?
[19:46] <toorima> Jun  3 11:39:01 tvbox CRON[11747]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
[19:46] <toorima> Jun  3 11:39:01 tvbox CRON[11747]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
[19:46] <toorima> Jun  3 11:39:01 tvbox CRON[11747]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
[19:46] <toorima> Jun  3 11:39:01 tvbox CRON[11747]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
[19:46] <toorima> Jun  3 11:39:01 tvbox CRON[11747]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
[19:48] <toorima> i dont have the file /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
[20:27] <tushyd> I want to build a HTPC with mythbuntu. Anyone know where I could get an IR reciever for cheap?
[20:27] <tushyd> preferrably USB
[20:29] <jphillip> newegg sells mce remotes with receivers
[20:29] <jphillip> can IR blast as well, and its well supported
[20:29] <tushyd> IR blast?
[20:30] <jphillip> send IR signals to a STB to change the channels and so on
[20:30] <jphillip> you might not need it, but it can do it
[20:30] <tushyd> ah i see
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> the MCEUSB remotes that jphillip is talking about are awesome
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> take a look here  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> I'd recommend the third one from the left (make sure it looks like that when you buy it)
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> It has programmable buttons for your TV and volume
[20:53] <tominglis> hi i am installing mythtv at the moment, with the text installer
[20:53] <tominglis> does anyone know how to use the console while doing this, as i need to determine which dev/ my remote control is?
[20:57] <tgm4883_laptop> ls /dev/lirc*
[20:57] <tgm4883_laptop> i think
[20:59] <tominglis> no, i mean
[20:59] <tominglis> how do i use the console whilst i am in the installer
[20:59] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[20:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ctrl-alt-F2?
[20:59] <tgm4883_laptop> I assume
[20:59] <tgm4883_laptop> ctrl-alt-F1 should get you back I hope
[21:08] <tominglis> tgm4883_laptop: ace
[21:08] <tominglis> do you know how i pause something
[21:09] <tominglis> i have done cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[21:09] <tominglis> but it goes really quickly and i don't think i can scroll
[21:11] <iamlindoro__> more /proc/bus/etc/etc/
[21:15] <tominglis> that command doesn't work
[21:15] <tominglis> i just need to pause the cat command when it's running
[21:15] <tgm4883_laptop> you can use pg up?   it's like alt-pgup
[21:15] <tgm4883_laptop> or shift-pgup
[21:15] <tgm4883_laptop> or ctrl-pgup
[21:16] <tgm4883_laptop> or you could cat to a file
[21:16] <tgm4883_laptop> then just open the file
[21:17] <iamlindoro__> tominglis, there's mo reason more shouldn't work... you did take my "etcs" out, right?
[21:17] <tominglis> the pgup thing doesn't work
[21:17] <iamlindoro__> er no
[21:17] <iamlindoro__> more /path/to/any/file
[21:17] <tominglis> oh ok :)
[21:17]  * iamlindoro__ shakes his head sadly
[21:18] <tominglis> hahaha
[21:18] <tominglis> yeah that worked
[21:19] <tominglis> but, i can't see the remote sensor
[21:19] <tominglis> should i select lirc0 as i think it is the only thing not accounted for in the more thing
[21:20] <tominglis> although the top thing was macintosh compatible mouse, which i don't have (in addition to my actual mouse and keyboard)?
[22:14] <Nixus_Maximus> hey everybody, I have a lirc/mythtv problem: when I'm pressing e.g. menu/i on my hauppauge remot (nova-t pci), nothing happens and mythtv reports: 2008-06-03 23:07:23.235 Key M is bound to multiple actions in context Stream.
[22:14] <Nixus_Maximus> although it is only bound to a single action
[22:14] <Nixus_Maximus> this happens with several keys
[22:18] <Schamane_> hi
[22:18] <Schamane_> i seem to be to stupid configuring mythbuntu
[22:18] <Schamane_> i cant get channels
[22:19] <Schamane_> somebody here who is willing to help me
[22:33] <pteague> is there suddenly something wrong with connecting to nfs shares?  i set up my nfs shares & was able to mount them just fine, but now i just get a "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on server:/var/lib/mythtv/blah" error
[22:37] <hads> Sounds like you don't have nfs-common installed
[22:37] <Schamane_> channelscan is really difficukt
[22:38] <pteague> i do
[22:39] <pteague> hmm... then again... on which machine? both i'm assuming
[22:39] <pteague> ah, after last update there's a conflict on nfs-common for some reason... wtf?
[22:43] <pteague> ok, this doesn't look good on my client... seems to be multiple conflicts... anyway to get a complete list of conflicts?
[23:08] <tominglis> i've installed mythbuntu 8.04, but unfortunately i am not able to get the database to work
[23:09] <tominglis> in the mythtv setup i don't know what to enter as the password
[23:09] <tominglis> i entered a root MySQL password when setting up
[23:09] <tominglis> but it wants the password for the mythtv user
[23:09] <tominglis> the default option was mythtv but this does not work
[23:10] <tominglis> does anyone know what could be wrong?
[23:12] <tominglis> i've tried logging into mysql directly just now, and it seems that the mythtv user has no password
[23:12] <tominglis> however, i still get the cannot connect to database error
[23:13] <tominglis> if i do show databases; there is no mythconverg, only the information schema
[23:13] <tominglis> should i create it? or does it have some kind of structure that should already be there?
[23:16] <tominglis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=790814
[23:19] <Schamane_> somebody here whos willign to help me with scanning fr channels
[23:20] <Schamane_> seems im tooo stupid
[23:27] <tominglis> :-(


[07:17] <ricotz> larsu, hi, looks like bamf_application_get_desktop_file is returning the desktop-id now instead of "A string representing the path to the desktop file." as documented
[07:21] <ricotz> Trevinho, hi, was this really the intention here? ^-- https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/bamf/trunk/revision/606
[08:41] <larsu> ricotz: certainly not. I'll look into it aftre breakfast
[08:41] <larsu> thanks for the pointer
[08:58] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ping
[08:59] <tsdgeos> Cimi: unping
[09:11] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[09:11] <tsdgeos> i can't get released qtmir to build
[09:11] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9933243/
[09:12] <tsdgeos> any idea why would that happen?¿
[09:12] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑ ?
[09:12] <tsdgeos> did we release a new unity-api without the corresponding qtmir?
[09:12] <Saviq> huuh
[09:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, what versions of qtmir-{desktop,android} and libunity-api-dev do you have?
[09:14] <tsdgeos> ah wait, maybe my libunity-api-dev is old
[09:14] <Saviq> 0.4.4+15.04.20150115-0ubuntu1 and 7.94+15.04.20141205-0ubuntu1 here
[09:15] <tsdgeos> 7.95
[09:15] <tsdgeos> coming from nowehere
[09:15] <tsdgeos> probably i installed that manually
[09:15] <tsdgeos> meh
[09:15] <tsdgeos> i'll reinstall back
[09:17] <tsdgeos> tx
[09:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks like Gerry's initial surface geometry
[09:18] <tsdgeos> yep
[09:19] <tsdgeos> i had been reviewing that
[09:19] <Saviq> yup
[09:19] <tsdgeos> forgot about it
[09:56] <tsdgeos> uh oh
[09:57] <tsdgeos> the evil arm linker breaks connect by function pointer is back :/
[10:00] <Trevinho> ricotz: oh... that seems wrong indeed
[10:04] <larsu> Trevinho: really, the API is weird... but it's documented like this, so let's fix it
[10:04]  * larsu looks into it
[10:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey. we have a strange issue in the shell
[10:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: Loaders don't seem to destroy their items when they're released
[10:27] <Saviq> just one?
[10:27] <Saviq> otp
[10:27] <Saviq> foo
[10:27] <Saviq> ooh shiny :D
[10:36] <larsu> ricotz: how can I reproduce this? bamf's dbus interface still returns the path to the desktop file
[10:36]  * larsu assumes that's the same as the API, but could be wrong
[11:02] <ricotz> larsu, i am connecting to BamfMatcher.view_opened and calling on the given BamfView, if is a BamfApplication, get_desktop_file which returns the application_id for at least nautilus and gedit here
[11:03] <ricotz> larsu, not sure if it is the same since the lib is doing some caching too
[11:05] <ricotz> larsu, happens on the dbus interface too for gedit which gives "org.gnome.gedit"
[11:07] <ricotz> larsu, you realize you are using the desktop_files glist in your commit
[11:08] <ricotz> larsu, test it with nautilus which is the vivid version here too
[12:23] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you elaborate?
[12:23] <mzanetti> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9935405/
[12:24] <mzanetti> Saviq: basically, if a gsettings is involved in the expression for a loader source, it won't destroy the old component when creating a new one
[12:24] <mzanetti> although I'm quite sure I've seen this already before we had the usageModeSettings, in the very first iteration of the ShellRoation stuff
[12:25] <mzanetti> where it loaded first the phonestage, and then the tabletstage and never destroyed the phonestage
[12:25] <mzanetti> can't repro if I use a button to trigger things for example...
[12:25] <mzanetti> maybe GSettings does something odd with the QQmlParserStatus it inherits from... atm I'm still quite lost what's going on
[12:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: note that it even breaks if the loader source is only based on an intermediate property
[12:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, in the qml you gave me (+ import Ubuntu.Components 1.1) I get correct destruction and creation?
[12:27] <mzanetti> yeah, set the timer interval to 0
[12:27] <mzanetti> or enable any other of the lines with the comment // This does NOT destroy the component
[12:27] <Saviq> ok now I see
[12:27] <mzanetti> son only if I use an intermediate property, and then a timer with interval >= 1 to set that it starts working
[12:28] <mzanetti> s/son/so/ :D
[12:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, I know we expected it, but does a Loader actually advertise it deleting the old object?
[12:29] <mzanetti> yes, I think so... docs say "causes the item to be released"
[12:29] <Saviq> I wonder if it's a gc problem
[12:30] <Saviq> released != deleted
[12:30] <mzanetti> behavior is still the same if I export QV4_MM_AGGRESSIVE_GC=1
[12:31] <mzanetti> Saviq: also, it I use a timer to toggle between PhoneShell and DesktopShell, it destroys things correctly
[12:31] <mzanetti> so not an issue of the content of the loaded item
[12:31] <Saviq> yeah, calling gc() doesn't help either
[12:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, changing active or making asynchronous doesn't do, either
[12:36] <Saviq> wonder if using source instead of sourceComp would
[12:36] <mzanetti> nope
[12:36] <mzanetti> we're using source in Shell.qml
[12:37] <mzanetti> I've already changed Desktop/PhoneStage.qml to be simple rectangles
[12:37] <mzanetti> no difference
[12:37] <Saviq> in any case, looks like a Qt bug, even when triggered by our GSettings (would be good to find a way to repro without our stuff)
[12:37] <mzanetti> yeah..
[12:37] <mzanetti> that's what I tried... failing so far
[12:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you got 5.4 installed?
[12:39] <Saviq> I wonder if it recycles the old object
[12:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: looking at memory usage, it doesn't seem so
[12:39] <Saviq> no, a new address every time
[12:40] <mzanetti> switching between staged/windowed mode with 1 running app windoe leaks about 3MB each time
[12:40]  * Saviq tries 5.4
[12:46] <larsu> ricotz: indeed. I must have been testing with the wrong branch or so. Fix is at lp:~larsu/bamf/fixup-gtk-application-matching
[12:47] <Saviq> mzanetti, Qt 5.4 doesn't help either
[12:47] <Saviq> :/
[12:48] <Cimi> Saviq, might be something weird happening on the scope sides
[12:48] <Saviq> Cimi, what might?
[12:49] <Cimi> Saviq, I tried this code http://paste.ubuntu.com/9936347/
[12:49] <Cimi> Saviq, with pawel branch
[12:50] <Cimi> what I am doing, when I receive a open signal from the store, I open the new scope and start a timer to close the old one
[12:50] <Cimi> when the old one is closed, the scope that was opened from the store goes away, scopeItem.scope is null
[12:51] <Saviq> Cimi, what is "scopeThatOpenedScope"?
[12:51] <Saviq> Cimi, why not oldScope.closeScope(oldScope)?
[12:53] <Cimi> Saviq, scopeThatOpenedScope is the app scope
[12:53] <Cimi> Saviq, when you open the store
[12:54] <Saviq> Cimi, why do you need it?
[12:54] <Cimi> Saviq, because this is what we did in dash.qml
[12:55] <Cimi> Saviq, when the temp scope closes, the scope that opened the temp scope closes the temp scope
[12:55] <Saviq> Cimi, ok, I see it now
[12:56] <Cimi> Saviq, oldScope.closeScope(oldScope) seems to work btw
[12:56] <Cimi> Saviq, but looks weird
[12:57] <Cimi> scope closing itself?
[12:57] <Cimi> committing suicide :D
[12:57] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, this whole openScope/closeScope thing is misarchitected, really
[12:58] <Saviq> every scope that opens another scope has a set of temp scope objects it opened... meh
[12:59] <Saviq> Cimi, I think I know why you lose the new scope - it's because its 'parent' is deleted
[13:00] <Saviq> Cimi, because it's the store scope that opens the new scope, then you close the store scope, and the new scope goes away with it
[13:00] <Saviq> pstolowski, ↑
[13:00] <Saviq> this is a mess :/
[13:00] <Saviq> it's Scopes that should have open/goto, not Scope
[13:01] <Cimi> Saviq, yeah it is what I thought
[13:02] <Cimi> Saviq, parent deleting children
[13:02] <Saviq> Cimi, yup
[13:02] <Saviq> we'd have to add a stack of temp scopes on top of the dash (which was kind-a the plan at some point)
[13:03] <Cimi> Saviq, yeah
[13:04] <Cimi> Saviq, short term fix? oldScope.closeScope(oldScope) ?
[13:04] <Saviq> but I'm not sure we want to dig into this that far while we don't know the overall direction
[13:04] <Saviq> Cimi, no, that's leaking
[13:04] <Saviq> Cimi, that's basically NOOP
[13:04] <Saviq> Cimi, we need to talk with the plugin folks on how to get this working in the short term
[13:10] <Trevinho> larsu: about that branch....
[13:10] <Trevinho> larsu: you need to free the app_id in any case now
[13:11] <Trevinho> but...
[13:11] <Trevinho> I've another concern, as you're now pulling the first .desktop file in list
[13:11] <Trevinho> while the logic should be similar to what we do afterwards with desktop_class...
[13:12] <Trevinho> larsu: well, actually I guess we could use the same code, but using app_id if class_name is not defined, or using both first come first served
[13:14] <larsu> Trevinho: ooh right, thanks.
[13:15] <Saviq> Cimi, maybe have a look at how our SDK copes with stacks these days (esp. in relation to transitions), maybe it's not going to be that difficult to implement that our sode
[13:15] <Saviq> side
[13:15] <larsu> Trevinho: not sure what you mean with "using the same code". Is class_name the same thing as app_id?
[13:15] <Saviq> biab
[13:15] <Trevinho> larsu: no, but... You still need to parse all the .desktop files in list, filtering-out the ones that have ha defined class name that is different to the window (if it has one)
[13:17] <larsu> Trevinho: that can happen?
[13:17] <larsu> Let's talk about that tomorrow :)
[13:17]  * larsu fixes the memleak in the meanwhile
[13:18] <Trevinho> larsu: yes, as someone could hack its .desktop files... or chromium web-apps does that
[13:18] <Trevinho> so could do wine
[13:18] <larsu> Trevinho: I do that for gnome-terminal, and it works just fine
[13:18] <pstolowski> Saviq, oh, that's indeed an issue
[13:18] <larsu> Trevinho: got an irssi profile with a launcher item and separate thing in alt-tab etc
[13:19] <pstolowski> Saviq, and moving all that to Scopes seems like the only solutions. I'm not sure about implications of that without actually digging more into it
[13:19] <Trevinho> yeah, I know... I just don't want risk that there will be cases where there are desktop files matching for the same app id but with different classes...
[13:21] <larsu> rihgt
[13:22] <mzanetti> Saviq: you aware of anything else we use that's a QQmlPropertyMap?
[13:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i do, need something or alrady fount out?
[13:43] <larsu> mzanetti: gsettings-qt uses qqmlpropertymap (sorry if you already talked abuot that - I didn't find it in the immediate scrollback)
[13:43] <mzanetti> larsu: that's the root of the evil :)
[13:44] <mzanetti> larsu: nah, just kidding. I have a very weird issue when a GSettings is involved
[13:44] <mzanetti> but not sure yet if it's really caused by that
[13:44] <mzanetti> larsu: if you're interested: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9935405/
[13:46] <mzanetti> can't repro the issue by implementing my own QQmlPropertyMap :(
[13:49] <larsu> mzanetti: qqmlpropertymap has broken gsettings-qt a couple of times now. I wouldn't be surprised...
[13:51] <larsu> I'm at a hackfest right now. Will try to have a look later in the train
[14:19] <mzanetti> larsu: is there anything threaded going on in QGSettings?
[14:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, found out already
[14:21] <tsdgeos> oki
[14:22] <Saviq> dandrader, if you could have a look with your touch input hat on - bug #1415902
[14:46] <dandrader> Saviq, yeah, that's an interesting case
[14:46] <ricotz> larsu, great
[14:46] <dandrader> Saviq, can't say anything without debugging first though
[15:56] <Cimi> Saviq, shall we plan a meeting with pawel?
[15:57] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, please do, not sure I need to be there, I think you guys know what's going on
[15:57] <Saviq> but let me know if you need me
[15:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: larsu: tsdgeos: adding "Qt::QueuedConnection" here fixes it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/gsettings-qt/trunk/view/head:/GSettings/gsettings-qml.cpp#L138
[15:57] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[15:57] <mzanetti> currentThread() seems to be the same in both cases though
[15:58] <Cimi> pstolowski, can we have a chat tomorrow morning on this issue?
[15:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'd say that's basically what Timer { interval: 1 } did
[15:58] <mzanetti> yeah, sort of
[15:58] <mzanetti> bad thing is, I don't understand why yet
[15:58] <mzanetti> the variables seem all be ok. there don't seem any multiple threads involved
[15:58] <Saviq> yeah, it'd be nice to know what's going on there
[15:59] <mzanetti> I've tried to reproduce it spinning the event loop here and there, but nothing
[15:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's like the event loop misses a tick to drop the old object because something else is happening
[15:59] <mzanetti> also interesting:
[15:59] <Saviq> so yeah, I'd be +1 to add this workaround with a linked bug and a FIXME
[16:00] <Saviq> and investigate more sometim
[16:00] <Saviq> e
[16:00] <mzanetti> if I do usageModeSettings.usageMode = "Windowed" from qml, which, afaict, does the same code path, it still works
[16:00] <pstolowski> Cimi, sure, please also invite pete-woods
[16:00] <mzanetti> only if the trigger really comes from the backend side it's broken
[16:01] <mzanetti> Saviq: I'll wait till larsu have a chat about it before applying the workaround. maybe he knows about something that explains it.
[16:01] <mzanetti> something's broken with my english now
[16:01] <pstolowski> Cimi, we have standup 8:30~9:00 your time, so any time after that is fine
[16:01]  * mzanetti takes a break
[16:03] <Cimi> pstolowski, ok
[16:03] <Cimi> 9:30 my time?
[16:04] <pstolowski> Cimi, ok
[16:05] <pete-woods> pstolowski: I would say that I know very little about QtGSettings
[16:05] <pstolowski> pete-woods, it's not about this
[16:05] <Saviq> pete-woods, different topic :)
[16:06] <pete-woods> ah!
[16:06] <pstolowski> pete-woods, i'll fill you in
[16:44] <josharenson> kgunn: so my branch(es) caused your phone to not boot?
[16:45] <josharenson> kgunn: oh I'm reading the silo output now
[16:46] <kgunn> josharenson: yeah, just a double check those are the right branches correct?
[16:46] <josharenson> kgunn: yeah they are, I just merged the unity8 one w/ trunk... not sure if that would help
[16:46] <josharenson> kgunn:  I can send you a deb if you would like
[16:46] <kgunn> josharenson: i'll rebuild and try after lunch
[16:46] <josharenson> ok
[16:48] <kgunn> josharenson: feel free to host your local debs somewhere too
[16:48] <josharenson> kgunn:  ack
[19:00] <ChrisTownsend> I'm working on getting logout/reboot/shutdown to work in Unity 8.  I was thinking that we should probably do the same thing that Unity 7 does when one clicks Logout and Shutdown from indicator-session, at least for now.  Does anyone have an opinion about that?
[19:01] <ChrisTownsend> For example, in Unity 7, if you click "Logout", you get a dialog that asks if you want to Lock or Logout.  For "Shutdown", you get a dialog that asks if you want to Reboot or Shutdown.
[19:03] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: kgunn:  Any opinions? ^^^
[19:05] <ChrisTownsend> Doing what I propose will also keep us from having to hack up indicator-session to support Unity 8.
[19:53] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: sorry, for the delay
[19:54] <kgunn> for sure, i agree, shutdown should bring up
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: No worries.
[19:54] <kgunn> the notification that we have
[19:54] <kgunn> on unity8
[19:55] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Right.  What I mean is that in Unity 7, if you click "Shut Down" in the indicator-session menu, you get a dialog that says either "Reboot" or "Shutdown".  Should we make Unity 8 do the same, at least for now?  If not, then we are going to have to hack up indicator-session some to separate out Reboot and Shutdown.
[19:56] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: yeah, what i meant was, we have the notification (dialog) that has that...altho, it's only fired on long power keypress
[19:56] <kgunn> i suppose it needs some wire for the session-indicator menu select event
[19:57] <kgunn> as well as long power keypress
[19:57] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: This is for desktop.
[19:57] <kgunn> right i'm with you
[19:57] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Ok, just making sure.
[19:57] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Right now, Reboot and Shutdown dialogs are separated in Unity 8 unlike Unity 7.
[19:57] <kgunn> i guess one thing that's different, is we have no "logoff"
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: There is a Log Out.
[19:58]  * kgunn needs to play with the latest unity8 desktop :)
[19:59] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: are you going to brussels ?
[19:59] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: I have an MP to fix Log Out properly though.
[19:59] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Yep
[19:59] <kgunn> good
[19:59] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: We can discuss more then.  Just throwing this out there to think about.
[19:59] <kgunn> ChrisTownsend: it's a good point
[20:00] <kgunn> i suppose on a desktop, you might just want to power down on long power press?
[20:00] <kgunn> vs mobile where you get the dialog...
[20:00] <kgunn> i mean if you hold long enough it just powers off anyway
[20:00] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Hmm, well, right now I'm only concerned about clicking "Log Out" and "Shut Down" in the indicator-session pull down menu.
[20:01] <kgunn> right
[20:01] <kgunn> just thinkin' ahead
[20:01] <ChrisTownsend> kgunn: Ah, righ, I see.
[20:01] <ChrisTownsend> *right
[20:57] <kgunn> josharenson: ok, finally got around to testing silo 8, it boots...
[20:57] <josharenson> kgunn: :-)
[21:05] <kgunn> josharenson: ok...so try this, lock your phone/screen on, hit power button so screen comes back on
[21:05] <josharenson> ok
[21:06] <kgunn> josharenson: then...hold the power button
[21:06] <kgunn> for enough time that you think
[21:06] <kgunn> the power dialog will come on...just before, hit low volume
[21:06] <kgunn> do a couple of times
[21:06] <kgunn> at least once see if you can get the dialog to happen
[21:06] <kgunn> this is what i was doing....and i can get the screen to stay on
[21:07] <kgunn> permanently
[21:07] <josharenson> kgunn: gotcha... I have an idea
[21:07] <josharenson> kgunn: thanks for testing this btw
[21:08] <kgunn> josharenson: i'll see if i can get it to do it not on the lock screen....tried only  a little on dash
[21:08] <kgunn> josharenson: intersting, i can just touch the screen, that's enough to restart the unity8 inactivity timer...and it will turn off the screen
[21:09] <josharenson> kgunn: probably being restart in some other code
[21:09] <josharenson> restartred*
[21:09]  * josharenson spells bad
[21:13] <kgunn> josharenson: ok, while phone unlocked, hold power key for maybe longer then normal, but before the pwr dialog appears, hit vol key down, power up, then vol up....
[21:13] <kgunn> and it should likely be stuck on
[21:18] <josharenson> testing a patch
[21:19] <Saviq> guys, you know codes are cheating?
[21:40] <josharenson> kgunn: pushed a fix... I took about 10 screenshots and was never able to make the screen stay on...
[21:52] <kgunn> josharenson: so rebuild ?
[21:52] <josharenson> yes
[21:52] <josharenson> kgunn: USC is small enough to build on the device if thats easier for you
[21:53] <josharenson> kgunn: or ill host a deb if I can get it to build
[21:54] <kgunn> Saviq: whatchyou talkin' bout willis ?
[21:54] <Saviq> kgunn, up, down, down, down, A, B, A, down
[21:54] <josharenson> :-p fixes all bugs
[21:55] <kgunn> in case they didn't have Different Strokes in Poland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k
[22:03] <josharenson> kgunn:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfseuqe49a5kk8s/unity-system-compositor_0.0.5%2B15.04.20150108.2-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb?dl=0
[22:04] <josharenson> kgunn: brb doctor's appt, but that _should_ fix the bug
[22:04] <kgunn> ack
[23:43] <josharenson> kgunn: any luck?
[23:44] <kgunn> josharenson: sorry, loaded it...hadn't tried, will right now
[23:56] <kgunn> josharenson: this is looking pretty good....
[23:56] <josharenson> kgunn: hooray
[23:56] <kgunn> as easy as i could repro....i can't seem to here
[23:57] <josharenson> kgunn: the issue seemed pretty clear
[23:57] <kgunn> i'll hammer a bit more
[23:57] <kgunn> but yeah...looks good
[23:57] <josharenson> kgunn: same


[16:08] <Riddell> Koon: yeah I want to package, sesame
[16:09] <Riddell> I have it building ok on my machine, but in a chroot it insists on downloading files (which won't work for a buildd of course)
[16:09] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/117702/
[16:09] <Koon> hm.
[16:10] <Riddell> so something seems to be different about my own system that it doesn't need to download stuff
[16:10] <Riddell> but I've no idea what
[16:10] <Koon> For simple things that happen to use maven, there is the possibility to use maven-ant-helper that basically wraps the buid into a simple ant build.xml
[16:10] <Koon> but Sesame looks large
[16:11] <Koon> (looking at that reactor build order)
[16:11] <Riddell> it's a beast
[16:11] <Koon> For medium-sized thing we expect to have support for Maven packaging at the start of jaunty+1
[16:11] <Koon> (synced from twerver work in debian)
[16:11] <Koon> twerner, I mean
[16:12] <Riddell> but it works, I just don't know how
[16:12] <Koon> however very large things would probably still fail, since we would provide a unique version of each artifact when the very large thing usually will ask for several versions of the same artifact and fail if you cheat it
[16:13] <Koon> I fear Sesame falls into the last category
[16:13] <Riddell> Koon: want to see if it builds for you?  http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/sesame/
[16:13] <Koon> i'm pretty sure it builds. The problem is working around the online download of deps
[16:13] <Riddell> but it doesn't do the download on my laptop
[16:13] <Riddell> only in a chroot
[16:14] <Riddell> is the download cached somewhere?
[16:14] <Koon> yes. ~/.m2
[16:15] <Koon> the method we use is to provide to the build something that looks like the repository maven would have ended up downloading
[16:15] <Koon> but that in reality would link to the system-installed JAR artifacts
[16:15] <Riddell> bah fooey
[16:16] <Koon> There wrer two implementations of those, the one we speced i nUbuntu and the one Debian-java finally started
[16:16] <Koon> We discussed that last week with twerner and decided that we should use Debian model since it's better for us to sync it from them
[16:17] <Koon> rather than go our own slightly-different route. Furthermore their design was done by someone that kinda knows maven. While our design was done by me ;)
[16:17] <Riddell> what an insane build system
[16:18] <Koon> so we expect to be able to build a helloworld maven project at the start of the Jaunty+1 cycle
[16:18] <Koon> but something like Sesame or geronimo is still a very long way
[16:18] <Koon> You /could/ rewrite the Sesame build system completely so that it does not use Maven, but that's a hell of a work.
[16:19] <Koon> so doko summarized our current advice very well :)
[16:21] <Koon> Riddell: yes, that's a quite insane build system. Makes (some) sense if you only build binaries once. Which is kinda the idea behind Java.
[16:21] <Koon> But from a distro pov it's simply a walking nightmare
[16:21] <Riddell> and people wonder why java has a bad reputation in the free software world
[16:23] <Riddell> Koon: and there's no way to just include the files it would cache?
[16:24] <Riddell> i.e. fake the cache
[16:24] <Koon> Riddell: well, you could tar up the repository it caches, include it as part of the sources, and run mvn in offline mode to make sure it does no freshness check
[16:24] <Koon> but that would be including binaries as part of the source
[16:25] <Koon> which is no-no for most repositories, if not all.
[16:26] <Riddell> most of the files are there .pom  XML files
[16:26] <Koon> there are quite a few JAR files normally.
[16:26] <Riddell> there's a bunch of .jar files but they ought to be packagable I'd have thought
[16:27] <Koon> you'll also miss "maven plugins"
[16:27] <Koon> yes, it's basically a packaging effort and some tools to help in the process
[16:28] <Koon> but since we provide a single version of each artifact, slightly different from the one Maven requests, it /may/fail
[16:29] <Riddell> ok, time to give up I think
[16:29] <Koon> since JARs usually break API without warning
[16:29] <Riddell> thanks for the information Koon
[16:29] <Koon> Riddell: if that's an option, I'd recommend it.
[16:30] <Koon> Riddell: you're welcome. I always like to rant about it.
[16:49] <Riddell> Koon: is there an easy way to override where maven looks for that .m2 cache?  I guess I could package it for multiverse
[16:49] <Koon> you have to provide a settings.xml file... hmm just a sec
[16:51] <Koon> mvn --settings debian/prepare-settings.xml --offline
[16:51] <Koon> with something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/117731/ in the .xml feil
[16:52] <Koon> file, even
[16:53] <Koon> Riddell: got to go. Good luck :)
[16:54] <Riddell> thanks
[23:30] <rzr> http://rzr.online.fr/q/now<PHONE_NUMBER>day countdown started


[00:03] <PMunch> I'm trying to configure some xfce panel settings through the config xml files.  And my system seems to crash during it, I can't do anything. It's unrelated to CPU usage or Memory, according to the system monitor.
[00:04] <PMunch> Never mind, xfce4-panels --restart..
[00:11] <xubuntu755> I guess it's unique to me...
[00:15] <PMunch> xubuntu755: Haven't had anything like that. It might be something you have installed?
[00:15] <PMunch> Does anyone here know how to achieve something like this: http://cdn.xfce.org/about/tour/4.10/panel-rows.png
[00:15] <PMunch> I'm having trouble with putting the launcher in the middle to the left and letting other things flow to the right..
[00:58] <BadHorse> Hi folks, I'm having an issue and hope someone can help. I must have installed something that causes Thunderbird to not open. When run as root it does open after about a 15 second delay (everything else is instant as I have an SSD) so it probably has something to do with permissions, but I don't know what caused it
[00:58] <BadHorse> And I don't know how to get it to start without being root
[01:00] <BadHorse> Running xubu 14.04 btw
[01:04] <BadHorse> no suggestions?
[01:17] <pleia2> BadHorse: have you tried running it from a terminal? It might show some useful information in the output
[01:17] <pleia2> or not
[01:18] <bazhang> he crossposted in #u, got it solved apparently
[01:19] <pleia2> ah
[01:29] <PMunch> I managed to break Alt+space.. It's still in the list of keyboard shortcuts with the correct parameters but it's not doing anything. Tried reinstalling but nothing.
[01:30] <PMunch> I was trying to rebind it to Alt+m (which didn't work) so that I could use Alt+space for something else..
[01:48] <xubuncler> hi
[01:49] <xubuncler> hola
[02:15] <phenom> http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/
[02:17] <phenom> Anyone know of a fix? I've tried everything in every thread I've followed to no avail. I fear this bug is still persistent.
[02:19] <phenom> We were working on the issue yesterday but I had to leave. Wondering if anyone worked out the issue with brent yesterday, who is also experiencing the same issue.
[02:21] <phenom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339
[02:21] <phenom> still not fixed
[02:22] <phenom> I'm going to head to work(sad face). I'll try to bash away at it later. If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate a pm or the like.
[02:22] <phenom> Obliged.
[02:28] <phenom> Can anyone think of any negative effects of killing xfce-power-manager? killing it does indeed stop the issue. I don't plan on ever using suspend or hibernate. I want to lock the screen only.
[02:31] <PMunch> phenom: I guess it could mess up some stuff with fans and clock speed.
[02:32] <PMunch> Not really sure how the power manager latches into these things..
[02:33] <PMunch> Is there any way to add new buttons to the windows in xfce. I'm thinking of adding some custom controls for my multi-monitor setup and custom buttons would be nice.
[02:37] <superkuh> How do I install the menus shown at: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Gnome+2+Menus+for+Xubuntu+14.04?content=164297 ? I am not sure where to put the .menu files.
[02:37] <superkuh> (gave up on MATE desktop on top of xfce, too buggy, back to xfce for now)
[02:37] <superkuh> Er, on top of xubuntu
[02:42]  * Church used mate only in mint .. so far works fine. felt like .. good old gnome2, before gnome devs started fsck up it :)
[02:43] <superkuh> Yeah. I love the feel. But something in my setup caused a lot of segfaults.
[02:43] <superkuh> Until I can figure it out it's back to just xcfe.
[02:45] <PMunch> superkuh: If you open your panel preferences
[02:45] <PMunch> Then go over to items
[02:45] <PMunch> Remove the "Whisker menu" item
[02:46] <PMunch> Add an "Applications menu" item
[02:46] <PMunch> Go to properties of your new item and choose custom menu file.
[02:46] <PMunch> Should work
[02:47] <PMunch> That being said the default menu in the Applications menu look pretty similar to old Gnome menus
[02:48] <superkuh> Thanks.
[03:02] <PMunch> No problem
[03:36] <superkuh> When I try to delete an icon of the desktop by selecting it and pressing the "Delete" key on my keyboard the desktop itself (not any windows above it though) freezes up for about 5 seconds and then deletes the icon eventually.
[03:37] <superkuh> Any clue what might be going wrong?
[03:37] <superkuh> Like, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1294209
[03:40] <holstein> wow.. i just thought that was normal, i suppose..
[03:40] <superkuh> Also, there seem to be grid aligned "outlines" when I move icons. And these icon outlines showing the snap to grid position don't disappear when moved; like X forgot to redraw the background. I can get the lines to go away by drag-clicking over the area and getting X to redraw.
[03:41] <holstein> superkuh: i might be looking at my graphics drivers
[03:41] <superkuh> Any idea what these grid aligned outline boxes are called so I can search for how to disable them?
[03:42] <superkuh> Unfortunately they are not rendered in screenshots. :\
[03:42] <holstein> i would try the vesa driver, to remove my driver from the equation
[03:43] <holstein> could be a laggy nvidia driver causing all your issues
[03:43] <superkuh> RIght. I'm not doing that. I just want to disable the grid-aligned boxes showing where the icon will drop.
[03:43] <superkuh> Then there'll be no issue.
[03:44] <holstein> superkuh: cool..enjoy and let me know if you want to work with the troubleshooting tips i volunteer.. id be glad to help, but, you'd need to look at the drivers
[03:44] <superkuh> The little boxes that show where the dragged icon will drop to.
[03:44] <superkuh> Even if I didn't have the little vaguely annoying bits of failed re-draw I'd want to disable these boxes.
[03:45] <holstein> sounds like you might just prefer something without desktop icons
[03:45] <superkuh> Nah. I just don't want it showing me where the icons will drop with blue outlines.
[03:45] <superkuh> If this is not something that can be turned off I'll deal.
[03:46] <cfhowlett> superkuh, s ettings > Desktop > icons > default icons
[03:46] <holstein> ultimately, *everything* can be customized.. but, im not sure how easy it is to disable that..
[06:51] <jarnos> What is the default font in xfce4-terminal (in 14.04)?
[06:54] <baizon> jarnos: http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/preferences#appearance
[07:26] <jarnos> baizon, Thanks, Dejavu Sans Mono Book looks Okay. Like Monospace Regular. Easy to  distinguish O and 0. Most fonts look terrible in the terminal: letters may even overlap.
[09:03] <Aurvandill> hoi
[10:34] <xubuntu171> How can I configure  wireless?
[10:34] <xubuntu171> modem*
[15:19] <xubuntu94w> Is it other web browsers in xubuntu ? I read there cud be debian browser and how to use it ?
[15:28] <cfhowlett> !browser | xubuntu94w
[15:35] <garrie> Hello, I have a couple of login-related issues. Wondering if you can help.
[15:36] <garrie> First issue is that I get a blank screen in place of the encryption passphrase screen (encrypted using LVM at installed).
[15:36] <garrie> I am still able to type in the passphrase and get to the login screen, but I'd rather SOME sort of prompt showed up.
[15:36] <garrie> Anybody have any idea of what the issue is there?
[15:50] <xubuntu94w> I foud my windows pc on the netoworks in xubuntu but it dont let me connect eve i have correct pasword.
[15:56] <xubuntu94w> is samba best to use ?
[16:02] <xubuntu94w> why is my xubuntu pc not show up in windows 7 networks ?
[16:15] <Wlsonjl3> how do i mount my android so i can charg it and access the files on it?
[16:15] <Wlsonjl3> it's plugged in but i cant see it
[16:17] <cfhowlett> Wlsonjl3, did you set android USB to camera?
[16:17] <Wlsonjl3> media device
[16:17] <Wlsonjl3> then it died
[16:18] <cfhowlett> Wlsonjl3, so it DID connect then ... ?
[16:18] <cfhowlett> battery?
[16:18] <Wlsonjl3> yeah
[16:18] <cfhowlett> Wlsonjl3, change ports.  not all support charging
[16:18] <Wlsonjl3> and  dunno, nothing popped up and i couldnt see it
[16:18] <Wlsonjl3> ok
[16:19] <Wlsonjl3> lol insufficient charger current :P
[16:19] <Wlsonjl3> does usb 3.0 charge faster than 2.0?
[16:19] <cfhowlett> Wlsonjl3, no idea
[16:20] <Wlsonjl3>  ok
[16:20] <Wlsonjl3> nope, dosn't
[16:26] <nobodysme> hi, i reinstalled xubuntu12.04 in the same root, because hard system problems, and i create a new user name like "user2" because the fear of losing /home/user , now it's enough to create user named "user" to reuse it without problems?
[16:26] <nobodysme> /home/user is present and with all the original content
[16:27] <nobodysme> i would eliminate user2 to come back using user
[16:37] <xubuntu238> anyone can help please with my xubuntu install?
[16:37] <xubuntu238> hello by the way, sorry..
[16:38] <xubuntu238> ?
[16:38] <xubuntu238> anyone?? :(
[16:38] <elfy> !ask | xubuntu238
[16:39] <xubuntu238> ok sorry bout that
[16:41] <xubuntu238> i just installed xubuntu on my acer aspire, it worked and once the update to 14.04.1 done, it wont start anymore at the reboot after update
[16:48] <nobodysme> then , someone can help me?
[17:05] <garrie> Hello, I have a couple of login-related issues. Wondering if you can help.
[17:05] <garrie> First issue is that I get a blank screen in place of the encryption passphrase screen (encrypted using LVM at installed).
[17:05] <garrie> I am still able to type in the passphrase and get to the login screen, but I'd rather SOME sort of prompt showed up.
[17:05] <garrie> Anybody have any idea of what the issue is there?
[18:23] <ESource5> ikonia, ALRIGHT
[19:08] <xubuntu142> Hi
[19:59] <sin_> Hey, when I log in - my locale seem to be different from the one I configured in /etc/default/locale. Anyone know a fix_
[19:59] <sin_> ?
[19:59] <sin_> At the login manager.
[20:00] <sin_> I selected the wrong lang at install time but changed ALL settings I could think of.
[20:13] <sin_> nobody? :(
[21:08] <sin_> Hey, when I log in - my locale seem to be different from the one I configured in /etc/default/locale. Anyone know a fix? This happens at the login manager. And I have fixed all settings I can think of.
[21:24] <brainwash> sin_: what does "locale" return?
[21:25] <sin_> http://pastebin.com/ZAkmbWz6
[21:25] <sin_> brainwash: answered with link
[21:35] <sin_> brainwash, I think I solved it though. The problem was my TTY-keymap >P
[21:35] <sin_> :P
[21:35] <brainwash> sin_: you could add your preferred locale settings to /etc/environment and test again
[21:35] <brainwash> oh
[21:35] <sin_> I can't restart now or anything
[21:36] <sin_> Because it's a fresh install atm, and I'm installing matlab... (+download). Download is a bit of a process.
[21:36] <brainwash> did you re-run console-setup?
[21:36] <sin_> dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[21:36] <brainwash> ok
[21:37] <sin_> should work imo
[23:54] <xubuntu32w> anyone know what unmountable boot volume means?


[00:03] <valorie> BlueProtoman: what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[00:05] <valorie> there is no PPA necessary for Qt 5.5.1 in 15.10
[02:34] <Bomber4Chats> Smh for kubuntu
[02:36] <Bomber4Chats> It's insane how I have to be very very careful not to each a point where the system will decide to lose my laptop screen configuration when I disconnect my external screen from the laptop and leave me in the dark.
[02:36] <Bomber4Chats> The only solution being to reset cache, KDE, etc.
[06:08] <Abe_> hey my calendar is showing pictures? It never did that before ?
[06:10] <Abe_> how to turn it off? cool feature but i dont want it
[06:10] <Abe_> here to see what i ment
[06:10] <Abe_> http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=14868241
[06:11] <Abe_> http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=11514729
[06:11] <hateball> Abe_: what is it you want to turn off?
[06:11] <hateball> the transparency?
[06:11] <Abe_> No my calender just shows pictures now
[06:12] <Abe_> It never did that before
[06:12] <hateball> ah right.
[06:12] <hateball> Abe_: is this on plasma 5?
[06:12] <Abe_> No I'm using Plasma 4
[06:12] <Abe_> I think it's called plasma
[06:13] <hateball> hmmm, how strange. I was thinking if it was something new that included weather or so
[06:13] <hateball> I can't find any settings for background or something here (kde 4.x)
[06:13] <Abe_> No it changes pictures all 5-10 seconds?
[06:13] <Abe_> I never turn this on it was just there
[06:14] <Abe_> I have also kde 4.x
[06:14] <Abe_> does yours do that?
[06:15] <hateball> Abe_: nope, mine is just plain black, running regular oxygen as theme
[06:15] <hateball> Abe_: does changing your theme change it?
[06:15] <Abe_> I didn't change my theme for a long time
[06:16] <Abe_> I try hold on
[06:16] <hateball> this is what it looks like for me http://imgur.com/kRjgzYw
[06:17] <Abe_> changing the theme does not affect my calendar somehow
[06:18] <Abe_> but I know it wasn't there it was like yours
[06:18] <hateball> Abe_: what if you remove the calendar plasmoid and add it back?
[06:19] <hateball> I really have no idea why it would do that tho, there's no setting for a background in the first place
[06:20] <Fritigern> Looks like it's transparent, showing the desktop background behind it
[06:21] <hateball> yeah, but then it wouldnt change the image
[06:21] <hateball> well unless they rotate wallpaper every 5-10 sec :D
[06:21] <Abe_> No it's not the background image
[06:22] <Abe_> I don't even have those pics on my harddrive
[06:23] <Abe_> I dont see a backround setting either ? I mean it looks nice yeah but I would still like to turn it off
[06:24] <hateball> Abe_: did you try removing the plasmoid and adding it again?
[06:24] <Abe_> hold on
[06:24] <Abe_> its the digital clock right
[06:24] <hateball> yea
[06:25] <Abe_> lol
[06:25] <Abe_> now its gone
[06:25] <hateball> how very odd
[06:25] <Abe_> weird
[06:26] <Abe_> were did thos pics come from xD
[06:28] <Abe_> if it was a bug it was a funny one
[06:38] <valorie> em: after you move stuff where you want it, and remove the extra junk, you might click the "hamburger" icon ||| and lock
[06:38] <valorie> should stop the shenanigans
[09:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:24] <r_rios> Hello, everyone. I've just updated my system from Kubuntu 12.04 to Kubuntu 14.04, but I'm not being able to enable the desktop effects. lsmod shows that fglrx is loaded. Any ideas?
[09:31] <hateball> r_rios: Can you run glxgears etc?
[09:32] <hateball> I don't dabble with AMD so I don't really know
[09:35] <r_rios> hateball: https://paste.kde.org/pntrp8nex
[09:36] <hateball> r_rios: Is this some hybrid gpu setup or something?
[09:36] <r_rios> When I try to open amdcccle, this is what I get: https://paste.kde.org/p7t3rejmf
[09:36] <hateball> r_rios: does it work if you use the... radeonsi driver is it?
[09:36] <lordievader> Sound like you need to recompile your fglrx driver.
[09:36] <hateball> Yeah, I know really nothing about AMD
[09:36] <lordievader> It is probably still built against the old kernel.
[09:37] <hateball> then the module wouldnt be loaded would it?
[09:37] <hateball> r_rios: what does "lspci -k" show?
[09:37] <hateball> for your VGA device
[09:37] <lordievader> True, but now it seems to be in a zombie state. Loaded but not really active.
[09:38] <r_rios> https://paste.kde.org/p8yvdo63e
[09:40] <r_rios> What's the difference between fglrx an fglrx-updates again?
[09:40] <lordievader> One could be newer.
[09:43] <r_rios> lordievader: So, I should dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-core, then?
[09:44] <lordievader> Err, I'd purge it and reinstall the package.
[09:45] <r_rios> I tried to do that, except that I didn't purge
[09:45] <r_rios> I'll try it again, purging this time
[09:55] <r_rios> Done. Do I have to restart to find out if it worked?
[09:56] <lordievader> Yes.
[09:56] <r_rios> Any way I can check this without restarting?
[09:56] <r_rios> I can't restart right now
[09:57] <lordievader> Err, not to my knowledge.
[09:58] <hateball> well you'll need to load the new module and restart X at the very least
[09:59] <lordievader> But even the tty's use the module, so the kernel won't let you remove the module.
[10:02] <r_rios> It worked, thanks :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[16:02] <AlterX> hello
[16:03] <AlterX> kubuntu is as nice as terrible regarding installation and stability
[16:03] <AlterX> I would like to know who is taking care of this
[16:04] <AlterX> kubuntu 15.10 is not working on vmware
[16:04] <AlterX> on virtualbox is working...for a while
[16:04] <AlterX> then everything magically disappear from the desktop
[16:05] <AlterX> installing on my asus g20aj, when you get it started and installed
[16:05] <AlterX> is never working anymore
[16:05] <AlterX> 10.04 is giving error during the installation and is aborting
[16:05] <AlterX> so what is the meaning of this distro?!? just to use the live (when is working)
[16:05] <AlterX> ???
[16:07] <AlterX> so is there a working kubuntu distro?!?!
[16:07] <AlterX> or as usual I have to use gentoo?
[16:16] <soul_> Haha AlterX
[16:16] <soul_> I know that feel
[16:16] <soul_> Sorry I can't help you with that AlterX.
[16:51] <marco-parillo> I am running Kubuntu on VMware Player right now. Strange display problems *might* be the result of HW acceleration.
[16:51] <marco-parillo> But, I never experienced that.
[16:54] <Agonizer_> Hi guys. i have and issue with kubuntu 15.10 and the ipv4 manually
[16:54] <Agonizer_> in graphical mode i cant set up the ip for a wired connection
[16:55] <Agonizer_> it keeping saying this:
[16:55] <Agonizer_> ipv4.addresses: this property cannot be empty for method=manual
[16:55] <Agonizer_> and never get the ip manually
[17:02] <BluesKaj> Agonizer_, not using network-manager?
[17:51] <Oderus> hey all, i realize this is a +1 issue likely but theres no kubuntu+1 channel so.. just wondering how to install context menu entries in dolphin. i've tried just clicking the install button, it installs, but does not function. probably wrong directory it installed to or something.. i tried a few other dir's, no dice. any ideas?
[17:58] <genii> Oderus: The #ubuntu+1 is for all next releases, including Kubuntu, not just the regular Ubuntu
[18:00] <kenaz> hello
[18:01] <AlterX> some one
[18:01] <AlterX> knows why kubuntu doesn't start after installation?!?!
[18:02] <kenaz> Hello i need some help to instal de kubuntu of ubuntu from boot?
[18:02] <AlterX> yes
[18:03] <AlterX> we have same problem here
[18:03] <kenaz> it´s means without a existant windows
[18:03] <AlterX> fyou don't need windows
[18:03] <AlterX> just boot usb stick or cd
[18:03] <AlterX> from bios
[18:03] <AlterX> and lunch live ubuntu
[18:04] <AlterX> then select install and follow the instructions
[18:04] <kenaz> but when i try to instal from de usb the screem is in black
[18:04] <AlterX> but pray that it will boot later on
[18:04] <kenaz> i download the file from the website and i copy it in the usb
[18:05] <AlterX> put in the option acpi=off
[18:05] <AlterX> no you can't just copy the iso on usb
[18:05] <AlterX> you have to create an image
[18:05] <AlterX> on it
[18:23] <AlterX> so there is not really an official support here
[20:14] <noaXess> hey.
[20:14] <noaXess> about kubuntu backports.. how long does it normally take, that backports landing packages are going to backports?
[20:15] <noaXess> ow... network going down...
[20:15] <genii> !donate
[20:48] <gsedej> Kubuntu 15.10 needs minumum 8GB free space for install???
[20:48] <gsedej> I can't install on my 8GB usb
[20:49] <gsedej> the "next" button is gray
[20:50] <gsedej> (kde partition tool actually says it's 7,38GB)
[20:50] <soee_> should not need that much
[20:51] <gsedej> is there a way to install "the kubuntu 15.10" on my 8GB usb?
[20:51] <soee_> BluesKaj: ^ any thoughts
[20:51] <soee_> !usb
[20:52] <gsedej> using persistant live USB is not good with PPA
[20:52] <soee_> gsedej: the USB you are trying to use is empty ?
[20:52] <gsedej> I would like to test NEON
[20:52] <gsedej> I pre-made 2 partitions 1. EXT4 and 2.swap 400MB
[20:53] <gsedej> Ubuntu has 4GB minimum space
[20:54] <gsedej> I deleted partitions, it still does not allow me
[20:56] <bprompt> gsedej:   you mean, ubuntu 9.10 has 4gbs minimum maybe, 14.04 takes up around 9.5gbs on a base install
[21:01] <gsedej> bprompt, hmm we are both wrong. Ubuntu 14.04.3 installer demands 6.6GB
[21:02] <gsedej> I am sure that fresh 14.04 installation needs less than 5GB
[21:03] <gsedej> anyway... the 8GB Kubuntu limit makes (real) installation on 8GB USB impossible
[21:07] <gsedej> 16.04 xenial alpha does demand 8.6 GB
[21:08] <gsedej> well... looks like I will need bigger usb
[21:15] <bprompt> hmm
[21:16] <bprompt> gsedej:     I said that, after my 14.04 installation took that much, thus, and yes, it was around 9.2 or 9.1 gbs IIRC, it was not 6.6
[21:16] <BluesKaj> gsedej, there'sa no reason the kubuntu image won't install ona 8Gb usb stick , try dd
[21:16] <gsedej> BluesKaj, i don't want live usb, I want real installation for NEON
[21:18] <BluesKaj> gsedej, dd will make the image bootable then you can install to the HDD from the installer or run it as live media OS
[21:19] <BluesKaj> anyway ...time to close up shop...later
[21:20] <gsedej> up to now, I could always make install on USB
[21:20] <gsedej> (using virtual box and raw disk (USB) access)
[21:20] <gsedej> ok... things just got bigger and my 8GB is not big anymore


[13:09] <Glorious729> Is there a bug for how 4.18.0-22.23's CVE-2019-11478 fix breaks Steam from ever connecting to Valve's network because of its use of a very low SO_SNDBUF value?
[13:11] <Glorious729> oh nevermind, it's not actually in -stable yet
[13:11] <Glorious729> is it policy to apply that as a remediation to a security patch though?
[13:13] <Glorious729> oh no it is in
[14:44] <sbeattie> Glorious729: regression updates are in progress. Not sure if there's a bug report about it.
[18:16] <salty-horse> hi. I'm running disco. The kernel patch introduced with 5.0.0-17.18 breaks Steam, and a fix was introduced in 5.1.14 - "tcp: refine memory limit test in tcp_fragment()". Is there a timeline to when the disco kernel will include this patch? If it's not planned, how should I file a request about it? (I'm unfamiliar with the process)
[18:18] <TJ-> salty-horse: would you be related to the ibus-uniemoji github repo?
[18:18] <tyhicks> salty-horse: hi - we're aware of the bug and we are fast tracking kernel updates to address it
[18:18] <salty-horse> TJ-, yes, but I'm not the original author. just the current maintainer
[18:19] <TJ-> salty-horse: I realise that, but wondered if I could ask you a couple questions about it. Installed on 18.04 today and not had it work but not sure what to expect
[18:20] <tyhicks> salty-horse: I think it is reasonable to expect 5.0.0-20.21 to enter -proposed later today
[18:21] <tyhicks> salty-horse: I can't quite give you an accurate timeline on when it will be officially released but mid-week is probably a safe assumption
[18:21] <tyhicks> salty-horse: you'll be able to install it from disco-proposed in the meantime to get steam working again
[18:21] <Glorious729> does this apply to the 18.04.2 LTS 4.18 kernel?
[18:22] <Glorious729>  as in, it'll also be in proposed and then officially released midweek or so?
[18:22] <tyhicks> Glorious729: yes, it will be on the same timeline as the 5.0 based kernels
[18:22] <Glorious729> nice, thanks!
[18:23] <Glorious729> someone just said "regressions updates were in progress earlier"
[18:23] <tyhicks> Glorious729: Xenial 4.4 based kernels might lag a little behind but it is too early to say for sure
[18:23] <Glorious729> that's fine
[18:23] <Glorious729> I mean, for me ;)
[18:24] <tyhicks> Glorious729: yeah, we're all heads-down trying to prepare updates so status is changing on the fly
[18:24] <Glorious729> well I mean this is just steam so lol it's not like my billion dollar datacenter is affected
[18:24] <Glorious729> but thanks
[18:25] <tyhicks> some non-Steam applications are also affected, unfortunately
[18:25] <Glorious729> yeah :(
[18:25] <Glorious729> I knew it was serious when linus is coming into a steam support thread
[18:25] <Glorious729> saying "try this patch"
[18:27] <Glorious729> All I meant was I'm fine with your current prognosis when it comes to me personally, as I don't need anything more exact than that and I was just happy to hear any sort of timeline
[18:27] <Glorious729> thanks
[18:32] <tyhicks> no problem


[16:02] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 17 16:02:13 2015 UTC.  The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <rbasak> Who's here?
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <hallyn> \o
[16:02] <rbasak> rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <rbasak> Sorry, I haven't done this yet. I'll carry it over.
[16:02] <rbasak> #action rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Xenial Development
[16:03] <rbasak> It's mainly merge and sync time at the moment.
[16:03] <rbasak> I have a list of areas that need looking at. I'd like to assign some things to people.
[16:04] <hallyn> for instance?
[16:04] <rbasak> Let me list them.
[16:04] <rbasak> strongswan
[16:04] <rbasak> systemd-boot tagged bugs for server packages
[16:04] <rbasak> DPDK (I think cpaelzer and smb are working on this)
[16:05] <rbasak> etckeeper - we should drop the bzr delta now and resync with Debian, being careful to manage upgrade paths, and then stop worrying about this package.
[16:05] <rbasak> I'm working on MySQL upstream.
[16:05] <rbasak> NTP needs a merge and some bugs fixing
[16:05] <arges> i got libvirt
[16:05] <rbasak> freeipmi and logwatch need merges
[16:05] <rbasak> I'd like to look at deprecating mail-stack-delivery post-Xenial.
[16:06] <hallyn> etckeeper sounds scary.  though might be fun
[16:06] <rbasak> "Big" merges I think need doing are dovecot, nut, amavisd-new and bacula.
[16:06] <rbasak> That's my list.
[16:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak, I can confirm working on DPDK
[16:06] <rbasak> cpaelzer: how are you doing with nis? Do you want to take on one of the other merges as well?
[16:07] <rbasak> The deadline for all of this is feature freeze, which is scheduled for 18 Feb.
[16:07] <cpaelzer> rbasak, I havent found the time to do the nis fix for a proper transition on upgrade yet
[16:07] <cpaelzer> I hope to get it somewhen in November to a state ready for review
[16:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak, diving head on into dpdk I don't need an extra merge as of now
[16:08] <rbasak> hallyn: do you want etckeeper then?
[16:08] <hallyn> not right now.
[16:09] <hallyn> if you keep a list somewhere where ppl can grab items that'd be useful, but not sure how
[16:09] <rbasak> I know that nobody wants this stuff right now, but I'd like to have someone nominated for each thing with a non-immediate (Feb) deadline
[16:09] <hallyn> blueprint :)
[16:09] <rbasak> Yeah I should have a blueprint.
[16:09] <hallyn> thta i can do - put me down
[16:09] <rbasak> #action rbasak to create blueprint for Xenial feature work
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to create blueprint for Xenial feature work
[16:09] <hallyn> (by feb :)
[16:09] <rbasak> OK. Thanks! Do you want a sooner goal hallyn for reminder purposes?
[16:09] <hallyn> yes
[16:10] <rbasak> End of Nov for now?
[16:10] <hallyn> yeah
[16:10] <rbasak> Thank you.
[16:10] <hallyn> (cause i' not around much indec)
[16:10] <rbasak> cpaelzer: can I do the same for you for a merge please?
[16:10] <rbasak> kickinz1: around? Can I give you a merge too please?
[16:11] <cpaelzer> rbasak, End of Nov is what I want to track myself as of now for nis
[16:11] <kickinz1> rbazak, yes
[16:12]  * rbasak looks for something to give to kickinz1
[16:12] <hallyn> eh make it an action to find something :)
[16:13] <smoser> o.
[16:13] <rbasak> smoser: can I give you the systemd-boot issues maybe?
[16:13] <smoser> link ?
[16:14] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscri
[16:14] <rbasak> ber=&field.structural_subscriber=ubuntu-server&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=systemd-boot&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&fie
[16:14] <rbasak> ld.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[16:14] <rbasak> Lovely.
[16:14] <rbasak> I searched for tag=systemd-boot, package/series subscriber=ubuntu-server.
[16:15] <rbasak> There are 10.
[16:15] <smoser> http://tinyurl.com/nzecls5
[16:15] <rbasak> Thanks
[16:16] <smoser> i'm sorry i joined late.
[16:16] <smoser> are you just asking me to triage ? or to commit to fixing .
[16:17] <rbasak> I'd like you to drive those for Xenial please. Fix as appropriate anything you deem important.
[16:17] <rbasak> If not important, feel free to triage to low importance and leave.
[16:17] <hallyn> delegate :)
[16:18] <rbasak> I'll find kickinz1 something after looking through the merge list later.
[16:18] <rbasak> #action rbasak to find kickinz1 a merge to do
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to find kickinz1 a merge to do
[16:18] <smoser> rbasak, ok.
[16:18] <rbasak> smoser: thanks
[16:18] <rbasak> Any comments for Xenial development in general before I move on?
[16:19] <rbasak> I'll skip my Assigned bugwork section in the agenda. Right now I'd like to focus on features.
[16:19] <rbasak> (since we're early cycle)
[16:19] <rbasak> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:19] <caribou> I'm good rbasak
[16:19] <rbasak> OK thanks
[16:19] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:20] <rbasak> matsubara isn't here, so let's move on.
[16:20] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:20] <smb> Not much new here (beside dpdk which isn't really kernel).
[16:20] <smb> Do we have questions?
[16:20] <rbasak> Thanks smb.
[16:20] <rbasak> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:21] <rbasak> Anything new?
[16:21] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:21] <rbasak> Any new events?
[16:22] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:22] <rbasak> I'm out next week.
[16:22] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:22] <rbasak> jgrimm: will you be OK to chair next week? You're next in the list.
[16:23] <jgrimm> rbasak, ack
[16:23] <rbasak> The next meeting will be Tue Nov 24 16:00 UTC 2015. jgrimm will chair.
[16:23] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[16:23] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 16:23:38 2015 UTC.
[16:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-17-16.02.moin.txt
[16:23] <jgrimm> thanks rbasak
[16:23] <caribou> thanks rbasak !
[16:24] <cpaelzer> thanks, rbasak
[17:47]  * Na3iL is away: AFK