[16:13] <OvenWerks> note conversation in #ubuntustudio is handbrake worth including?
[17:58] <eylul> Ovenwerks: if you want to convert videos into mkv (and possibly mp4 too, less sure on that one) it might be the best tool out there right now.  I am leaving aside the issues with MPEG codec distribution aside.  So.. yes, I think? (I mean we include tools with that level of specificity in audio)
[18:03] <eylul> actually edit: https://handbrake.fr/news.php?article=37
[18:05] <eylul> its not just mkv etc. it also supports vb8 vb9 now... yeah we should add it I think. *is still not sure why she can't get this to work on her own copy*
[18:06] <OvenWerks> eylul: is that something we can still do this cycle? or is it next?
[18:06] <eylul> uhhh. that's a harder question.. *is totally disoriented as to where we are in the cycle and goes to check*
[18:08]  * eylul is actually first checking if it is in the ubuntu repos
[18:08] <OvenWerks> I have also (on my system installed soundconverter. It is really handy for distributing audio in more than one format
[18:08] <OvenWerks> I would like to add that too
[18:08] <eylul> lets make a package list.
[18:08] <eylul> even if we don't make it this round, we should keep a running list of items we want to add
[18:08] <OvenWerks> right
[18:09] <OvenWerks> I am guessing everytime I like an audio only tool, I should be thinking "I bet we need this for video too"
[18:10] <eylul> (btw sorry for vanishing.. I came home in early march to a one hell of a backlog of work, still trying to clear it up)
[18:10] <eylul> handbrake is like ffmpeg except it actually has a sane GUI
[18:10] <OvenWerks> eylul: no one else has been here either
[18:10] <eylul> it definitely is a good software.
[18:11] <eylul> I am around for people tagging my name so feel free to call, I just didn't have time to resurrect the meetings and regularly check with people yet because.. yeah.. life..  :) anyway.. lets see..
[18:12]  * OvenWerks has had life issues here too
[18:13] <eylul> nothing bad I hope? :(
[18:14] <eylul> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/handbrake its there and actively maintained (1.0 is the current release, or close enough)
[18:14] <OvenWerks> just life
[18:14] <eylul> so is soundconverter: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soundconverter
[18:14] <OvenWerks> ya I checked at least that much before I posted :)
[18:14] <eylul> oh sorry! :D
[18:15] <OvenWerks> np
[18:16] <eylul> we are past final beta freeze
[18:17] <eylul> assuming there is no delay *drops a  message to kryten to ask
[18:17] <eylul> with no uploader, my suggestion is not to push it
[18:17] <eylul> especially since we have limited manpower to test too
[18:17] <OvenWerks> about what I fugured
[18:17] <eylul> but to have a meeting after the release to better coordinate the cycle, and get these two in early before we forget. :)
[18:18]  * OvenWerks really would like focus follows mind...
[18:18] <eylul> goodness, release candidate is next week
[18:31] <eylul> btw ovenwerks, how is controls going?
[18:32] <OvenWerks> eylul: untouched mostly. I have been on meds that make me tired/sick for about 3 mon. add other stuff... not much work.
[18:33] <eylul> its alright. just asked to figure out where we are with it
[18:33] <OvenWerks> it needs to be backed down till it works...
[18:34] <OvenWerks> so I need to install a daily on another partition so I can trouble shoot it
[18:34] <eylul> *nods*
[18:38] <OvenWerks> I have also been tutoring a friend in sh programming... which means relearning more.
[18:38] <OvenWerks> he moves on to c next week I think
[18:38] <eylul> nice :)
[18:39] <eylul> ok emailing the mailing list about release..
[18:39] <eylul> lets see if we can get the group together again
[18:41] <eylul> Ovenwerks: so wait.. is a version of controls in the zesty or not at all?
[18:42] <eylul> or is it only the startup script?
[18:42] <OvenWerks> whats there doesn't work I think.
[18:43] <OvenWerks> Check the dev mail list at the beginning of the month
[18:52] <eylul> yeah I saw that
[18:53] <eylul> do we need to pull out anything that is in the packages?
[18:53] <eylul> (the thread doesn't have the conclusion to that part)
[18:53] <OvenWerks> it needs to go back at least one commit.. but when he did that it didn't work for him
[18:54] <OvenWerks> that is why I suspect I need to test on the right version.
[18:54] <eylul> ok
[18:54] <OvenWerks> It may mean just running the gui through the new version of glade to clean it up.
[18:55] <eylul> glade has been breaking up for me, (but it might be that I am using KDE on top of Ubuntustudio these days)
[18:55] <eylul> ok
[18:55] <OvenWerks> :P  I started everyone in the house on KDE (kubuntu) and two of them are no longer
[18:56] <OvenWerks> One is on lubuntu (10 plus year old machine) and the other is now xubuntu... I got tired of fixing them.
[18:56] <OvenWerks> my other son has had no problems
[18:56] <eylul> I am somewhat stuck on it.. because XFCE's ability to handle HiDPI is a bit headache inducing (literally, like causing headaches because of trying to read too small things) :D
[18:57] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:57] <OvenWerks> I can't afford (or need really) hidpi. Though it would be nice for mixbus-32c
[18:58] <eylul> artist
[18:58] <OvenWerks> Ya, I am not as visual in things
[18:58] <eylul> :)
[18:59] <eylul> but yeah..
[18:59] <eylul> I need to also figure out if 17.04 is installing on this machine now..
[18:59] <eylul> if I can make the time *sighs and refuses to complain further*
[19:01] <eylul> ok. I need to go and submit something that is due tonight.. but feel free to tag me if you need anything? (this goes for anyone else)
[19:02] <eylul> and it was nice talking to you Ovenwerks. :)
[19:05] <OvenWerks> you as well
[19:28] <OvenWerks> From my lasy iso I am 44.7% of the way.


 Ah. Probably was. Probably the well-known troll that likes to frequent #ubports, #lineageos, and a few other Android and mobile Linux-related channels.
 @rubencarneiro, Yeap! Agree with this. Many choices are always better. And we just let the Darwinian theory come into play :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, That's why I was joking to wayne that even the "big guy threaten me outside my room" sported a librem tshirt. It's trending! (or is it a plague?)
 @advocatux, what is this thing? send me a link so I can give an expert review
 Spin the wheel of webs
 @wayneoutthere, the librem 5
 y'know, the thing that we've been discussing all day
 is there a lnk somewhere in there Durst???
 I'm going to release my inner durst!
 @wayneoutthere, I don't know if you're really serious or just... but here's http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/purism-librem-5-linux-phone-crowdfunding
 thanks buddy!
 you're officially invited to an Audiocast
 (i'll PM you)
 you're welcome 👍
 (get Audacity)
 I have it
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/BNXcytmJ/file_274.mp4
 @advocatux, My expert review is as follows..... … .... Tune into the next Audiocast for the long version... … ...short version... they will not succeed.  If shuttleworth couldn't do it with a phat bankroll and all of you... these people without us might as well pack an lunch and head back to Kernel-Land
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dU0l4ERs/file_275.mp4
 (enough gifs for the day)
 @wayneoutthere, I want a phone like that but I don't think they going to succeed wiht this crowfounding approach
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 I wish them all the good luck in the world
 are*
 If you look at the development gantt chart, you'll see that they're trying to smoosh a lot of development into a few months
 Right
 @advocatux, yeah same. but they should join on the software side first. I'm fully with Durst of Dalton. Pretty sure he said that somewhere way up there.
 But, I mean... look at where we are. And Canonical had years. And full time engineers.
 @UniversalSuperBox, bingo, DD. Bingo.
[00:28] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #905: SUCCESS in 1 min 54 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/905/
 but we are still lacking some roadmaps here
 aren't we?
 Indeed
 @wayneoutthere, that hurts
 @neothethird, The wayne speaks the truth
 Yep we're following the GPS (Great Phone Suddenly)
 (Photo, 960x566) https://irc.ubports.com/f0dp0dA0/file_276.jpg
 Replace roadmap with documentation and some random overly complex idea with "my life" and you have me
 sad but true
 🤣
 Honestly... there's nothing I'd love more than to be paid to work with you guys. But for now I'll take not being paid and working with you guys.
 Money? What is that?
 remembers that his classes start on Monday
 patreon.com/ubports
 @neothethird, I'm already a patron, Jan! Don't guilt-trip me!
 haha
 yeah, pay the project to pay you
 Shake your money maker!
 Foolproof plan
 @UniversalSuperBox, same. haha
 it occurs to me that we could solve all our problems by acquiring more money
 we should be rich
 @neothethird, this is solid business logic.  It's like a marketing budget.  Pay people to pay you.
 then it would be simpler
 @wayneoutthere I know you like this kind of articles. ""Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? … https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/
 Hmmmm..... am I the only one who prefers to have fun with open source software than being paid and struggle to meet the expectations of the people who are paying? :\
 @jsalatas, As it is, we're unpaid and struggling to meet the expectations of people who are using the software. :P
 @jsalatas, if you have a job that pays your bills while allowing for enough free time to contribute to foss, that's a comfortable position
 @neothethird, mm, yep. 100%.
 @advocatux, :) … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-GE8oYU2g
 @jsalatas, another interesting topic...
 @advocatux, thanks man. i do like these kind :)
 What is the problem with snapdragon CPU and GPU? With respect to open source?
 @Vijay, Qualcomm doesn't release drivers for new Linux kernels.
 Even the newest chipsets are only supported under kernel 3.18, which is newly EOL
 What is the aim of project trouble from Google? To bring all the drivers into kernel?
 Project trouble would have been a better name for it, heh.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Drivers can't you compile for new kernel? Is it provided in binary form?
 @Vijay, No, Qualcomm still gets to ship the same drivers and old kernel. Treble exposes APIs to the hardware that shouldn't change between versions of Android.
 @Vijay, Yes, all binary.
 @jsalatas, That's my problem with it
 i had never heard of PureOS before...
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[07:01] <narueon> I have compiled ubuntu touch for my phone
[07:02] <narueon> but the system image is very small - 84Mb
[07:02] <narueon> is it normal
[07:02] <narueon> what should i fo
[07:20] <tgBot> Vivek Singh Thakur was added by: Vivek Singh Thakur
[07:20] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> I have compiled Ubuntu Touch for my Phone but I dont know how to install it
[07:21] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> should i just flash using fastboot or there is a specific procedure
[07:21] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> and also my system.img file is pretty small.. about 84MB online
[07:21] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> someone please help me out..
 @neothethird, But too much money is also not good. It will attract people that want only the money, not the vision ;)
 @Vivek Singh Thakur, Which phone?
[07:46] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> Asus Zenfone 5
[07:47] <tgBot> <Vivek Singh Thakur> @Flohack, Asus Zenfone 5. I tried flashing recovery but even recovery doesnt start...
 Hmmm which guide did you follow? So far no one has made a working build for an Asus IMHO
 someones working on a halium port though
 but as an intel phone, it's really unsupported by ubports at this point in time
 Yeah
 Yeah
 developer for that phone isn't in this group though
 Can you link to Halium group? Im on the road ;)
[07:51] <bshah> @halium
 @halium
[07:53] <artnay> hi all. where should one file a bug against translate.ubports.com? when I try to save a translated string at https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/ubports-app/fi/ I get [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'/opt/weblate/data/vcs/ubports/ubports-app/po/fi.po'
 Sendo me the normal ubports group not the supergroup the other one
[07:55] <artnay> also, filemanager-app po file has been locked for days and there's a message "This translation is currently locked for updates!"
 artnay: Github.com/ubports/translate.ubports.com
 @artnay, Not that one again... Sigh will take a look on the evening
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[08:48] <tgBot> Martin Denni was added by: Martin Denni
 Hi Martin
[08:49] <tgBot> <Martin Denni> Hi everyone!
 Im still on #gamescom in case someone wants to meet me ;)
[09:00] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> hi, noob question: i've followed the instructions to flash the (experimental) ubports image for the nexus 4 and it rebooted into recovery, do i now just execute "install ubuntu zip" from "ubuntu actions" or do i have to "Replace ubuntu android system" first or do i "install ubuntu preinstalled"?
 Wasnt this explained in the instructions? :) Im also confused by the recovery options tbh
 @Sconio, Trust me, you do not want Tox on a smartphone or tablet. Just try it on Android and you'll see how horrible the battery drain is. Also, the main (only) Tox developer disappeared and left no comments in the code so people are struggling to understand/maintain the core
[09:02] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> nope, at least i didn't find it
[09:03] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> https://devices.ubports.com/#/mako
[09:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> last command is "3. Flash device [...] using ubuntu-device-flash" which brings the phone to recovery
[09:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/oTwLTUht/file_277.jpg
[09:05] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> And going into the ubuntu actions.:
[09:05] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/OHkIFAu2/file_278.jpg
 Did you download the vivid preinstalled tar.gz
 Then you might try this option
[09:17] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> mh, no not that i am aware of 😃 just used "sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap" while phone was inside fastboot
 Hmm that should actually tell recovery to install everything after reboot. But maybe the N4 channel does not do this? We need an N4 guy here xd
[09:37] <tgBot> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> Guys, did https://ubports.com/blog/ have RSS feed? Want to add to Feedly, but can't :(
 This month's Linux Format - out any day now in the UK for non-subscribers - has ana rticle about how it all went wrong for Canonical with Ubuntu Touch (or how it never really went right), and a piece about UBports, Plasma Mobile, Halium etc. Worth a read if you can lay your hands on a copy.
 @Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜, https://ubports.com/blog/1/feed
[09:44] <bshah> @BrisPete, are online copies available?
 @BrisPete, Nice :)
[09:44] <bshah> (not based on UK.. so.. :P)
 @bshah, I don't think so yet. I'll have a look.
[09:45] <bshah> okay
 @bshah, OK. It's not online but as I'm a subscriber I have access to pdfs of the articles. You can see them here. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h4dx4pd2mak7ku4/AAB8qoll4dpqZLtr0jwCx5efa?dl=0
[10:01] <bshah> @BrisPete, thanks
 👍
 flashing right now a BQ Aquaris E5, crossing fingers haha
 all good, time to configure
 @Krakakanok, 😀😎
[12:06] <tgBot> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> @neothethird, thanks!
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[14:00] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> FYI: i did the flashing on Nexus 4 a second time (exact same procedure) and now it entered recovery, pushed a few things to the device, rebooted and now shows a black screen with an orange circle changing between three spots in the bottom (for ~3 Minutes) than it changed to the UBports robot startup and now i'm at choosing the language.. 👻🌈🍺
[14:02] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (so "pro" advise: always try anything at least twice 😜)
 @advocatux hey, Tuxonomy.  You're right.  This was a seriously great article (still not done and I can say it) and definitely this will be a major discussion topic and if UBports can bring solutions to the social 'bugs' in this article it will be an unstoppable success.  Every parent with a heart would make the move.    I do notice that I do feel better when I go out but don't do that often enough, so the article probably does have some point on the depression thing
 Pretty sure this emotional manipulation has the worst effects though: … A recently leaked Facebook document indicated that the company had been touting to advertisers its ability to determine teens’ emotional state based on their on-site behavior, and even to pinpoint “moments when young people need a confidence boost.”
 yeah.  it's not the 'ultimate conclusion' and there is a great benefit to groups like this supergroup.  We can actually build real relationships that start online.  But there is a great danger with 'unsocial networks' and all the other information that streams in.
 Right.  So on UBports when you click the FB icon, it should prompt a warning like "FB is a known perpetrator an manipulator of human emotions for the purposes of sales.  Proceed to install and setup?"
 (bug fix)
 lol, honestly, I think we're far beyond having any hope of fixing that
 It's pretty much the norm on any platform by now
 agree, but still.  it sets the 'brand' up as 'different' and 'truly social'
 Profiling is the reason Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are rich
 I know. Just saying someone has to start the process of exposing and protecting.      I'm not on Facebook, but I have given in to Google, Twitter, Reddit and Tumblr
 And well, we're all here on Telegram, the platform owned by the ex-CEO of VKontakte, literally the Russian Facebook. I wouldn't think that's trustworthy either lol
 Face it, "we" gave up for convenience as well, forsaking trustworthy IRC for a platform owned by someone who probably isn't all that much better than Mark Zuckerberg
 @Lorxu, didn't know this part :)
 I think everyone here is open to the 'best option as soon as possible'.  In terms of your mental state, there is no person who is 'perfectly stable' so good luck finding someone against whom you can compare.
 i view many 'stable people' as completely insane
 facebook users, are nuts.  Completely nuts.  Of their rockers.  Foolish.  Living in folly (for example)
 (but they hold down day jobs and are considered normal)
 Heh, yeah
 you are much more stable than you probably think
 I get called manipulative all the time, but the "normal" people out there cheat on partners, lie constantly, etc.
 (I'll PM you, haha)
 lol okay
 Nice PM! :)
 https://medium.com/@damln/instagram-is-listening-to-you-97e8f2c53023
 Sorry posted it by mistake
 hey... i wanted that link
 haha
 just about to cilck it
[15:36] <bshah> @harishsays, even if you pasted it by mistake, it's right group
[15:36] <bshah> interesting link
[15:36] <tgBot> Jeff G was added by: Jeff G
 https://medium.com/@damln/instagram-is-listening-to-you-97e8f2c53023
 Which link?
 that one
 tanks
 @harishsays, reason nr #645442 to use UBports :)
 This happend to me and @neothethird he send me some plane tickets with pdf and google read it and added the times and the plane to my google calander
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3GXVN4vD/image_2017-08-25_03-30-17.png
 (Photo, 1280x736) https://irc.ubports.com/oZXYyoR0/5834730458099854077.jpg
[15:42] <bshah> @mariogrip that's common, remember at that same day I mentioned that google showed me that I am in totally different country because my friend sent me her tickets
 I now do not use gmail anymore :P
 @bshah, still creepy
[15:43] <bshah> I unfortunately can't switch away from gmail.. or well have no migration plan in mind
 We call it creepy, most people call it convenient
 @mariogrip, woahhh...  and that link above bout instagram is messed up
 @Lorxu, most people don't realy know what's going in, they think it's all convenient and fine. but they dont really know/think what just happend
 @bshah, I now use https://protonmail.com/ and I have to say, it's as good as gmail, I love it. No issues at all with it. there spam filter is amazing
 Same here..using protonmail
[15:45] <bshah> @mariogrip: and how exactly you migrated gmail content?
[15:46] <bshah> do they offer options for it?
 I remember they did a writeup on their spamfilter somewhere, it was neat stuff
 In my case, I just self-host
 I also dont get the point with convenience. Its good that I got a navigation app but I can take care of myself with flights. It feels like mum & dad doing your life for you
 so am i the only one to use an ISP email?
 must be getting old
 Maybe. I got a virtual box running horde for 4 email accounts xD
 @bshah, I use my own domain, and added forwaring for my gmail address (since i cannot move that) I still have my old mails on gmail
[15:48] <bshah> I need to take time to figure out this things someday
 I was doing email hosting for friends (also www etc). Project was called Happy Server Friends
 @mariogrip, But we're not using ut completely because you wanted Instagram??🤔🤔🤔
 But... VirtualBox...
 Ping me I can give guidance for smtp and imap
 That's a weird setup
 @bshah, it was surprisingly simple. self hosting is one thing, but https://protonmail.com/ is super easy
[15:50] <bshah> @Vijay, lol yes.. I remember that from Lunduke show :P
 @Vijay, what?
 @bshah, This was the reference!!
 lol
 @Vijay, &
 @garrogarri, ->
 @mariogrip whats your opinion on new open-source mobile ? From librem?
 @Vijay, I'm really exited on how it will turn out, but I think there goal is a bit too ambitious. splitted cpu and baseband, using gtk/gone for ui, mainline kernel, opensource drivers. for 1.5M I think this will be hard to reach in such a short time
[15:57] <bshah> it's not mainline kernel btw
[15:57] <bshah> but mainline-ish
[15:57] <bshah> at least well that's what imx6 supports
 @bshah, Difference??
[15:58] <bshah> Vijay: you have recent enough kernel version, but not everything is available in torvalds tree
 @mariogrip, How much was canonical aiming during there ubuntu edge time?
 @Vijay, 32M
 @bshah, Like what it might be missing?
[15:59] <bshah> sorry I don't know exact information
 @mariogrip, Compare that it seems more practical.. they have chosen the correct hardware According there requirements
[16:01] <tgBot> JeffiG was added by: JeffiG
 Another interesting article: https://www.usenix.org/conference/hotcloud17/program/presentation/shahrad
 @mariogrip, There is also openmailbox.org that offers 5GB for emails and storage ;)
 @Flohack, This. It feels like being controlled.
 @mariogrip, I mainly use posteo.de. pretty similar to protonmail, but based in Germany
 @harishsays, cool. i was already thinking this way in terms of the Serval project and mesh networks
 (http://www.servalproject.org/)
 FYI anyone interested in Mesh networks... ping me on the side.  I feel this one isimportant and should somehow work with UBports
[17:22] <tgBot> Håkan was added by: Håkan
 @wayneoutthere @exar_kun Listening to Audiocast 005, have  you considered using OBS to record it?
 I'm not a podcaster, but I think that it is a popular podcasting software...
 @LarreaMikel, I've looked into it and it's amazing for sure.  there was soem reason why I didn't.  I think you have to use your own bandwidth or something... there was some thing that was either complicated ... thanks for reminder. we'llkeep looking
 ok!
 @LarreaMikel, Thanks for the suggestion. We did come across that earlier on. I think I decided that I liked the multitrack editing instead, but maybe it has that function or could in the future.
 maybe it's worth to ask in another podcasts to see their workflow.
 http://ubuntupodcast.org/about/  … See -> Recording and Audio Mastering  … you guys seem to have a similar (or the same) workflow...
 @LarreaMikel, thanks wil review!
 Feel free to ping with questions about how we make the Ubuntu Podcast
[18:30] <tgBot> Ssshojaei2 was added by: Ssshojaei2
 welcome :)
[18:37] <tgBot> Ssshojaei2 was added by: Ssshojaei2
 @neothethird, tanks ❤
 I want to start programming for ubuntu touch. Have a good link for learning this?
 Fwd from neothethird: Awesome! We're still in the process of importing all the documentation from canonical (and also moving to a new wiki software) so it's a little spread out over docs.ubuntu.com (canonical) wiki.ubports.com (our old system) and docs.ubports.com (new shiny)
 Fwd from neothethird: there's also a great ubuntu touch programming book by @mimecar that you can find here https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
 Fwd from neothethird: And if you've never used qml before, this is a nice video tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB22HyVdO1GkLFrvRi5vIo5XcWS0EflxD
 Fwd from neothethird: it's a little out of date, but the basic concepts are very good explained
 Fwd from neothethird: Last but not least, here's how to set up a development environment
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[09:15] <hyperair> asac: could i bug you about bug #483487
[17:10] <asac_> seb128: there?
[17:13] <seb128> asac_, in a session
[17:13] <seb128> asac_, but otherwise yes
[17:13] <seb128> ie I can reply to questions there
[17:21] <asac_> seb128: is rick next to you?
[17:21] <asac_> seb128: the firefox session needs to be moved somewhere else
[17:21] <seb128> yes, leading the session and on video too
[17:21] <seb128> I will tell him after session
[17:21] <asac_> as jdstrand cannot be there ... and makes no sense
[17:21] <asac_> yeh ... but that session is _next_ session
[17:21] <asac_> ;)
[17:21] <asac_> thx
[17:41] <asac_> !time
[18:03] <huats> hello everyone
[18:03] <fagan> huats: hello from dallas :)
[18:04] <huats> Hey :)
[18:04] <huats> enjoy fagan !
[18:05] <huats> Hello from my hotel room too ! :)
[18:05] <huats> fagan, but not in Dallas :(
[18:06] <fagan> awh
[18:16] <Hb_Kai> ping
[18:32] <ror> pong
[22:02] <xnockout_> i have problem with beryl.. can anyone help me?


[17:28] <MadnessRed> hi all
[17:56] <MichealH> Hi
[17:57] <MadnessRed> I sent an email about the programming part of the app, did it work?
[18:19] <MichealH> I dunno :)
[19:22] <Omega> MadnessRed: I got it :)
[19:40] <MadnessRed> ok thanks


[05:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:42] <macram> hello. i have a problem
[07:43] <macram> I'm Spanish and so is my keyboard. The point is, when I try to write á, most apps get 'a (first the 'tilde', then the vowel)
[07:43] <macram> Anyone with a link, documentation or something? Thank you
[07:44] <lordievader> macram: You might want to reconfigure your keyboard layout, or checkout the compose key.
[07:45] <macram> lordievader: the point is, it fails in gtk apps. In KDE apps it works fine
[07:46] <lordievader> Hmm, I know next to nothing about gtk applications.
[08:45] <yossarianuk> *offtopic* Just heard Robert Plants new track - its rather good (i.e Led Zeppelin)
[08:51] <lordievader> yossarianuk: We have #kubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter ;)
[08:56] <yossarianuk> sorry - its not every day you hear a new track from a musical legend... I'll keep on topic...
[08:56]  * friti feels that if a room or channel is deadly quiet, even offtopic topics should be allowed and even welcomed
[08:58] <yossarianuk> in some ways it being quiet is good thing - no major bugs...
[08:58] <yossarianuk> actually I have an on topic question....
[08:59] <yossarianuk> I have a crappy samsung netbook - low spec. I'm going to upgrade the OS soon on it - can kubuntu(kde) be made lightweight enough to warrant me trying to install it ?
[08:59] <yossarianuk> it has ubuntu/unity which is good for screen usage - but its deadly slow
[09:00] <yossarianuk> I use kde on all my desktops - but always considered it too 'heavy' for a netbook
[09:00] <friti> Inmy experience, Unity is much slower than KDE
[09:00] <yossarianuk> anyone here have experience of Kubuntu(or any version of kde) on a low powered netbook ?
[09:01] <friti> I have ran it on an EEEPC
[09:01] <yossarianuk> friti: yes but are they no on-par ish on system resource usage
[09:01] <yossarianuk> *not*
[09:02] <lordievader> yossarianuk: I'd checkout LXDE or XFCE for that netbook.
[09:04] <yossarianuk> lordievader: thanks - I did try e17 before (bodhi) and that was usable, seems no point installing that now as v 3. will be out in a few months..
[09:04] <yossarianuk> maybe lxle then...
[10:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[11:35] <nescius> evening
[11:43] <BluesKaj> morning
[11:55] <Avihay> noon
[11:56] <dodger_> good morning
[11:57] <BluesKaj> ok , hey nescius, Avihay, dodger_  :)
[12:25] <ewl> I just installed kubuntu 14.04 yesterday. I like it. everything is running well. But the spell checker in firefox is set to british english, for some reason. The system is set to American English.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> ewl, check FF open menu>preferences>content tab>languages
[12:31] <mcstr> hi! i have installed project neon via the ppas next to kubuntu 14.04 and how can i use the settings for my apps with plasma... what folder do i have to copy?
[12:32] <ewl> Thanks BluesKaj but I already found out how to do it. Right click in a text box and select the language dictionary there. Thanks for the response.
[12:36] <BluesKaj> mcstr, update and upgrade after adding the ppa then dist-upgrade
[12:37] <mcstr> @blues i have done update and upgrade, the ppa is added, plasma already running.... i mean when i chose kde plasma on the login screen i have all the programs i installed in kubuntu 14.04 but they are lacking the settings.. for example kontact has no mail accounts, this quassel irc has no the channels saved, etc.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> ok mcstr sorry I can't help fix those bugs, since I don't run the neon project ppa ...ppas aren't officially supported on this chat, fyi.
[12:41] <mcstr> i dont really think its a bug ... probably i just have to copy one folder dunno which one tho
[12:42] <BluesKaj> check launchpad
[12:46] <BluesKaj> mcstr, suggest you join #project-neon
[13:04] <AleksejsHome> ok, this is too much: I spent 2 days to get my system work after kubuntu destroyed everything when I did do-release-upgrade. Now I got it back (with loosing all my data on all partitions). But after downloading some updates, touchpad stopped working. I've added a file nsmouse.conf in /etc/modprobe and added a line "options psmouse proto=imps", and touchpad is working now although it shows that no touchpad
[13:04] <AleksejsHome> found in settings. But still, touchpad scrolling does not work
[13:05] <AleksejsHome> the question is: is it possible to make kubuntu work without breaking something on each update, or should I switch to something else, like arch?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> AleksejsHome, did you update and upgrade your existing packages before release upgrading?
[13:07] <AleksejsHome> yes, everything was up to date
[13:08] <AleksejsHome> but it's too late, I have fresh install now, as kubuntu 13.10 live usb destroyed all partitions before I even started to do something
[13:08] <AleksejsHome> I got back to 12.10, and almost everything works
[13:08] <AleksejsHome> except touchpad and nvidia vcard
[13:09] <AleksejsHome> touchpad worked perfectly, until I run an update
[13:11] <BluesKaj> well, dunno what went wrong for your setup , but I just upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 two says ago and the only problem I had was getting the nvidia graphics 331 driver to work, otherwise all went fine
[13:12] <AleksejsHome> well, I suppose, we have different hardware
[13:12] <AleksejsHome> kubuntu 13.10 can't work with my wifi card, so I switched back to 12.10
[13:13] <AleksejsHome> how do I get touchpad work as it should?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Im actually running 14.10 on this laptop and have fewer problems than I had with 13.10 and 14.04
[13:16] <AleksejsHome> I won't risk trying something else, as 12.10 is the only one which works with my wifi
[13:16] <AleksejsHome> but I really want to get my touchpad back
[13:18] <AleksejsHome> probably, the only solution is to reinstall and disable updates forever
[13:18] <AleksejsHome> it sounds like windows
[13:19] <BluesKaj> have you looked at system settings>input devices>touchpad ?
[13:20] <AleksejsHome> yes, and it says Touchpad not found
[13:20] <AleksejsHome> as I said before
[13:20] <BluesKaj> install synaptiks
[13:21] <AleksejsHome> I did
[13:22] <AleksejsHome> when I launch synaptiks, it says "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave."
[13:23] <AleksejsHome> if I launch sudo synaptiks, it shows "No touchpad found"
[13:23] <BluesKaj> AleksejsHome, try dbus-launch
[13:25] <AleksejsHome> it showed dbus address and pid
[13:27] <BluesKaj> AleksejsHome, dbus-launch synaptiks ?
[13:29] <AleksejsHome> "No touchpad found"
[13:36] <AleksejsHome> ok, reinstalling
[13:39] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:24] <luciano_> HI
[14:24] <luciano_> This is my first time on IRC
[14:25] <luciano_> HELP
[14:26] <luciano_> QUIT
[14:26] <luciano_> quit
[14:28] <Pici> k
[14:37] <BluesKaj> looks like it's his last :)
[14:42] <sogatori> hello, has anyone tried to compile the lasted plasma mediacenter on kubuntu 14.04?
[14:44] <lordievader> sogatori: Compiling isn't really the Ubuntu way, don't think there are many in here who have compiled the plasma mediacenter. Perhaps in #kubuntu-devel they have.
[14:45] <sogatori> thanks lordievader
[14:45] <BluesKaj> csogatori , why compile, when it's in the repos?
[14:47] <lordievader> ^ that is the Ubuntu way :)
[14:49] <sogatori> BluesKaj: 1.3 is in the repos? O_o
[14:50] <sogatori> hmm, no, it isn't
[14:54] <BluesKaj> sogatori, ok, i see it's buggy ..now I understand why you think compiling will provide a better version, but that isn't necessarily true.
[15:00] <jjeronimo> valorie: is the phonon-backend-vlc still maintained?
[15:07] <jjeronimo> valorie: I'm the guy with the headset where I can't use the earplugs and the mic at the same time on kubuntu, while on ubuntu it works just fine
[15:08] <jjeronimo> (usb headset)
[16:50] <zenx> anyone has problems with qt creator in kubuntu 14.04? The window doesn't seem to be drawing itself, only when I move it or alike
[16:50] <lordievader> zenx: Ohh, let me install it, if I don't already have it. I'll check it out.
[16:52] <zenx> lordievader: I am using an intel graphics card don't know if that matters but I haven't seen this problem in any other application
[16:54] <lordievader> zenx: Works fine here.
[16:54] <zenx> lordievader: thanks for your time, i am using a virtual machine for now
[16:55] <lordievader> zenx: I'm not ;)
[17:08] <swap> ................
[17:37] <asdf__> Hello?
[17:38] <asdf__> heelloo????
[17:39] <asdf__> FUCK THSIS CHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:39] <Pici> Thats no way to get support...
[17:42] <BluesKaj> it's the generation that expects instant gratification, Pici
[17:44] <Z_God> lordievader: seems your workaround doesn't work here.. there's still a 2nd instance (at least there are not 3 now :)
[17:56] <lordievader> Z_God: You did disable the respawn option of PA?
[17:57] <Z_God> lordievader: not explicitly, but is that necessary?
[17:57] <Z_God> I would expect that to be disable by default, the standard start-up scripts also mention they won't work correctly if that's not disabled
[17:57] <Z_God> disabled*
[17:58] <lordievader> Z_God: No respawn is quite nice, therefore it is enabled by default. Anyhow disabeling it got rid of the two instances (it wouldn't start at all ;))
[17:59] <Z_God> but then I think that's the whole bug
[18:00] <Z_God> For GNOME/KDE/
[18:00] <Z_God> # Xfce sessions in Ubuntu Lucid/10.04, /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop
[18:00] <Z_God> # handles this function of automatically starting PulseAudio on login, and for
[18:00] <Z_God> # it to work correctly your user must *not* have "autospawn = no" set in
[18:00] <Z_God> # ~/.pulse/client.conf (or in /etc/pulse/client.conf). By default, autospawn
[18:00] <Z_God> # is enabled. For other sessions, you can simply start PulseAudio with
[18:00] <unopaste> Z_God you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[18:00] <lordievader> Z_God: Make a bug report, I'll confirm it.
[18:04] <Z_God> lordievader: seems it's the other way around, it should not be set according to the script
[18:04] <Z_God> I already made a bugreport, I'll see if I can find another one about the double instances
[18:06] <Z_God> lordievader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/1296425
[18:08] <lordievader> Heh, I connfirmed it already.
[18:09] <genii> Ouch.
[18:10] <Z_God> lordievader: yep, I saw it :) I marked my report as a dupe
[19:52] <jotik> hello! Where can I find the GPG public key used to sign Kubuntu releases?
[19:53] <lordievader> jotik: On the Ubuntu keyserver: keyserver.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <rosco_y> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong (attempting to modify my PATH): http://pastie.org/9320725
[19:55] <jotik> lordievader: can you give me a key ID please?
[19:56] <lordievader> rosco_y: Second line in your bashrc should be: PATH=$SCRIPTS:$PATH (without the beginning $)
[19:56] <lordievader> jotik: Apt will tell you if it is missing a key.
[19:57] <jotik> lordievader: I don't have apt installed on my Gentoo system.
[19:57] <rosco_y> lordievader: Thank You!
[19:58] <lordievader> jotik: Err, you know this is Kubuntu support right? Key id is probably 437D05B5.
[19:59] <jotik> lordievader: yes. I downloaded a kubuntu ISO and now want to check its integrity using SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.gpg
[19:59] <jotik> lordievader: but I need to know the correct GPG key ID.
[20:00] <lordievader> Md5sum doesn't cut it? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download (bottom of the page)
[20:02] <lordievader> jotik: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSHA256SUM
[20:03] <jotik> lordievader: I know the procedure, but I still need the public key.
[20:05] <jotik> gpg does not automatically download a public key for me. And IMHO if it would this would probably break the security for checking the integrity of SHA256SUMS anyway.
[20:05] <lordievader> jotik: Ah you need to cdimage key, that's EFE21092
[20:06] <jotik> lordievader: weird: gpg: Signature made Thu Apr 17 17:48:53 2014 EEST using DSA key ID FBB75451
[20:06] <jotik> probably a hacked ttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ mirror then.
[20:06] <jotik> http*
[20:07] <lordievader> I got one from 2012 and an older one from 2004 for 'Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key'.
[20:10] <bnutzer> hey, i am getting 'language support not complete' notifications in 14.04 and LC_LANG is unset as well. any ideas on what could have been skipped?
[20:11] <bnutzer> i installed using the server installation image, then installed kubuntu-desktop
[20:13] <lordievader> bnutzer: That first one is quite normal, simply click the flag and it will prompt you with the package you are missing.
[20:14] <SamwiseGamgee> Where can I download Kubuntu 14.04?
[20:14] <bnutzer> lordievader: i can't authorize it to install the missing packages; my system is configured like that. if it would tell me the package names, i could install them manually.
[20:14] <soee_> SamwiseGamgee: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[20:15] <SamwiseGamgee> thanks
[20:16] <lordievader> bnutzer: Pff, I don't really know what package it is precisely.
[20:16] <lordievader> !crosspost | SamwiseGamgee
[20:16] <bnutzer> lordievader: no problem :)
[20:16] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry
[20:17] <bnutzer> lordievader: hey, that was easy. a script called check-language-support seems to report some package names :)
[20:17] <lordievader> bnutzer: Hihi, nice find ;)
[20:30] <bnutzer> brb
[20:34] <bnutzer> ok, no more missing packages. LC_LANG is still unset and i'm not sure if other LC_ stuff is correct either. 'en_DE.UTF-8' looks suspicious. could this be correct? i need german/european dates etc and english language
[20:49] <Guest66785> org.kde.networkmanagement plasmoid in kde does not work. Tried to delete it using plasmapkg but it says it does not exist... Instead of the plasmoid  in the tray I get the error message "/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.networkmanagement/contents/ui/main.qml:113:19: Type ConnectionItem unavailable", I think this because of the error in the connectionitem.qml:370: "Cannot assign to nonexistent property onAccepted"?? Any ideas, I even
[20:49] <Guest66785> tried to reinstall kde-full did not help
[21:04] <bnutzer> a-ha, looks like the LC_* values are all wrong and set by kde
[21:06] <bnutzer> brb
[21:24] <SamwiseGamgee> If I just copy the Kubuntu 14.04 one GB ISO onto my USB stick, can I use that to install it onto my PC?
[21:28] <m0rs> Samwise, no. Use this - http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[21:28] <m0rs> It will let you create a live CD/DVD on the USB drive, then you can install from there.
[21:28] <m0rs> The main reason just copying it over wont work is it needs to be bootable.
[21:29] <genii> It can be done with dd since the image is a hybrid. But not just by copying the iso file over.


[00:52] <Sadin> Anyone know of a guide for making custom skins?
[00:54] <ChinnoDog> Start with epidermis of favorite species, add to nutrient rich brine, wait 3 weeks.
[00:56] <Sadin> :O
[00:56] <Sadin> lol what
[00:56] <ChinnoDog> nothing
[00:57] <teddy-dbear> start with the skin of a ChinnoDog ;-)
[00:57]  * Sadin grabs a knife here doggy doggy doggy
[00:58] <ChinnoDog> If you sell it I demand 50% of the profit
[00:58] <Sadin> :O i didnt get added to the plant set
[00:58] <Sadin> (sadface)
[01:06] <jedijf> Sadin: pleia2's flying atm, by tomorrow it will be done
[01:06] <Sadin> Oh okay cool :)
[01:08] <ChinnoDog> pleia2 is always out having fun without us
[01:10] <Sadin> Can i ask your opinion on something
[01:11] <jedijf> ask?
[01:11] <PennBot> Don't ask to ask, just ask! :P
[01:11] <Sadin> im building my online Portfolio and i wanted to know what you think is best included in a basic web portfolio
[01:11]  * Sadin already has a general idea but wants more thoughts
[01:16] <Sadin> anyone?
[01:19] <teddy-dbear> a picture of me :-D
[01:23] <ChinnoDog> It depends who the audience is
[01:23] <Sadin> ChinnoDog web developers and designers mostly
[01:25] <ChinnoDog> Then I imagine you just need enough to prove that you know what you are doing.
[01:25] <jedijf> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/articles/the_perfect_portfolio/
[01:25] <PennBot> Title: Digital Web Magazine - Creating The Perfect Portfolio (at <IP_ADDRESS>)
[01:25] <ChinnoDog> If i were trying to get a web development job I would proably try to include one project that I had explained the workings of somehow.
[01:32] <Sadin> Yeah that sounds good
[01:33] <Sadin> im starting the designing process in GIMP now
[01:35] <pleia2> Sadin: I didn't recieve an email from you, sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[01:35] <Sadin> Yes ill try again mabye my email client didnt send :/
[01:36]  * pleia2 gives up on airplane wifi again, way too slow for ssh :)
[01:37] <Sadin> pleia2 ok its sent :)
[01:38] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: even with compression?
[01:41] <Sadin> Beginning work on my portfolio design first designing some icons and social buttons :)
[01:43] <teddy-dbear> don't forget my picture :-[
[01:46] <Sadin> lol
[01:48] <teddy-dbear> http://gallery.ubuntupennsylvania.org/v/20080823/IMG_6287.JPG.html
[01:48] <PennBot> Title: IMG_6287 (at gallery.ubuntupennsylvania.org)
[01:48] <teddy-dbear> me^
[02:12] <Sadin> ugh this isnt going as well as i had hoped it doesnt look right time to try a new design
[02:13] <teddy-dbear> told you to include a picture of me ;-)
[02:20] <InHisName> teddy-dbear sure is getting vain in his older years
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> probably needs his own web site
[02:26] <Sadin> :O i made a facebook icon sweet
[02:26] <ChinnoDog> One entitled "The Altar of Teddy"
[02:26] <Sadin> now to make a twitter and deviant art icon
[02:28] <teddy-dbear> I'm way to cute to ignore :-D
[03:15] <Sadin> can anyone help me trubleshoot my startup disk creator?
[03:16] <teddy-dbear> how did you mess it up?
[03:16] <ChinnoDog> Yea, that is pretty hard to screw up
[03:16] <Sadin> i didnt really it just wont select my iso
[03:17] <ChinnoDog> Does the ISO appear in the list of source images at the top?
[03:17] <Sadin> no
[03:18] <ChinnoDog> Did you press the "Other..." button and select it?
[03:18] <ChinnoDog> hi IdleOne
[03:18] <Sadin> yeah and when i select it and hit open it stays blank
[03:19] <IdleOne> hello ChinnoDog
[03:20] <ChinnoDog> hrm. I haven't had to select one. My images are in ~/Downloads and they appered automatically. Try putting your iso in Downloads and restarting the startup disk creator to see if it apears.
[03:22] <Sadin> They are
[03:23] <ChinnoDog> launch usb-creator-gtk from a command line and see any errors are printed at the console
[03:24] <Sadin> Ubable to find Joliet SVD
[03:24] <ChinnoDog> I get that too but it doesn't prevent mine from working
[03:24] <Sadin> hmm erg
[03:24] <Sadin> this kinda of stuff always happens to me :(
[03:24] <ChinnoDog> stupid question. You have a burner in your computer?
[03:24] <Sadin> yup
[03:26] <ChinnoDog> What happens if you pass the iso to it at the command line with -i?
[03:27] <Sadin> i dont have a clue what you just said not fluent in command line sorry
[03:27] <ChinnoDog> chinnodog@kabibonooka:~/Downloads$ usb-creator-gtk -i clonezilla-live-20110328-maverick.iso
[03:27] <ChinnoDog> like that
[03:28] <Sadin> um let me try
[03:31] <Sadin> it lets me pick my usb disk but the create startup disk button is still greyed out..
[03:33] <Sadin> when i try to format my usb it says error already mounted...
[03:34] <ChinnoDog> It doesn't let you create the startup disk unless you have selected a partition it can go on
[03:34] <Sadin> i selected my usb...
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> The device or the partition?
[03:35] <Sadin> It doesnt have any partitions
[03:35] <Sadin> its formatted as FAT
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> When I make USB startup disks I always erase the usb stick first using the Erase Disk button, then select the new partition, then press the "Make Startup Disk" button
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> Is it ok to erase it?
[03:36] <Sadin> i cant press the Make Startup Disk button and ive erased it multiple times :/
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> After you erase it you end up with two items in the device window. One will be the usb drive, the other will be the first partition. e.g. on my computer I get /dev/sdd and /dev/sdd1
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> You have to select the partition, i.e. /dev/sdd1 before you can press the button
[03:37] <Sadin> i have /dev/sdb1 and thats it
[03:38] <Sadin> ill just burn the iso to a VD instead of my usb manually
[03:38] <Sadin> to much trouble
[03:39] <ChinnoDog> You should see /dev/sdb in there too
[03:39] <Sadin> well thats the problem i dont lol
[03:39] <ChinnoDog> hrm. I've never had a problem with the startup disk creator.
[03:39]  * jthan shakes his fist
[03:39] <jthan> computers...
[03:39] <jthan> Why can't we just use our trust abacus?
[03:39] <Sadin> haha
[03:40] <jthan> trusty
[03:54] <Sadin> Hopefully just burning my image to my CD will work i need to get XP reinstalled ASAP on my desktop :|
[04:01] <Sadin> GUYS GUYS i got my junker that wasnt detecting a HD to finnaly open a startup disk correctly!
[04:02] <Sadin> OMG EPIC
[04:02] <ChinnoDog> thats cool
[04:03] <ChinnoDog> Lets hope your luck continues.
[04:03] <Sadin> it wouldnt work with my ubuntu disk though had to setting with arch linux :/
[04:03] <ChinnoDog> Your junker must be from 1995. lol
[04:04] <Sadin> thats the year i was born :D
[04:05] <ChinnoDog> I was afraid you were going to say that.
[04:05] <Sadin> lol
[04:05] <Sadin> im attempting ubuntu server install on it
[04:07]  * waltman does the math...
[04:08] <waltman> Sadin: My keyboard is older than you!
[04:08] <waltman> My mouse might be, too.
[04:08] <Sadin> haha
[04:09] <Sadin> what are you still doing with it :P
[04:09] <waltman> Tying on it?
[04:09] <waltman> They knew how to make keyboards back then :)
[04:10] <ChinnoDog> Yea, mechanical switches ftw.
[04:10] <waltman> er, typing
[04:10] <ChinnoDog> The clickers lasted about 3x longer than membrane keyboards.
[04:10] <waltman> super clicky, too.  And it weighs half a ton.
[04:10] <Sadin> :D windows xp install working ugh this saved my but
[04:10] <ChinnoDog> I saw online somewhere that there is a company that makes those now, brand new.
[04:11] <waltman> ChinnoDog: It's a vintage Northgate Omnikey
[04:11] <ChinnoDog> When I was new to computers I remember how I would get all stressed out when I misconfigured DOS or screwed up my Win 3.11 configuratino.
[04:44] <Sadin> i made another wallpaper this ones pretty sweet :D
[04:48] <Sadin> Wewt windows installed just fine :)
[04:51] <Sadin> now i wonder what i will use the junker for D:
[10:48] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[11:00] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:00] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[11:00] <teddy-dbear> hi 0/
[11:05] <JonathanD> hello teddy-dbear!
[17:43] <jthan> jthan?
[17:43] <PennBot> hmm... jthan is the coolest kid ever since baby_PennBot or never to be given cookies or lazy or mean or Needs to pay more attention to bts3685 and learn or little red riding hood or a pimp or little red riding pimp or a bad person, jthan
[17:43] <jthan> @karma jthan
[17:43] <PennBot> jthan: Karma for "jthan" has been increased 11 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of 3.
[17:43] <jthan> hm. alright.
[18:04] <jedijf> @karma clear jthan
[18:04] <PennBot> jedijf: Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-us-pa,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[18:05] <jedijf> start fresh..
[18:05] <JonathanD> jthan needs to come to geeknic.
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: geeknic?
[18:11] <PennBot> Somebody said geeknic is http://wiki.geeknic.org/index.php/Lower_Perkiomen_Geeknic, ChinnoDog
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> That is from last year.
[18:12] <JonathanD> Yes, it is.
[18:12] <JonathanD> PennBot: forget geeknic
[18:12] <PennBot> 10-4, JonathanD.
[18:13] <JonathanD> PennBot: geeknic is a picnic for geeks. The next one is in June. http://geeknic.org/?p=144
[18:13] <PennBot> Okay!
[18:24] <ChinnoDog> PennBot needs a brain
[18:24] <PennBot> Dunno!
[18:27] <InHisName> Donate half to PennBot and then you are only half-brained!
[18:28] <ChinnoDog> But, I don't want to be single core.
[18:29] <InHisName> Most were born twin-core.
[18:29] <InHisName> So do you want an 8-tuple head ?
[18:30] <InHisName> The interface bus would be a doozie
[18:31] <ChinnoDog> Yes, but it has to be 8 core, not dual quad core.
[18:51] <teddy-dbear> stuffing has always worked for me ;-)
[19:26] <InHisName> check this out: http://questionparty.com/questions/show/69432
[19:26] <PennBot> Title: Question Party! (at questionparty.com)
[19:27] <InHisName> after 5 weeks someone answered the question I put.
[20:05] <pleia2> andrew: the ubuntu logo on the windows key of my mini9 is just one from the standard sticker sheet http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718
[20:05] <PennBot> Title: Canonical StoreCanonical Store (at shop.canonical.com)
[20:05] <pleia2> it's holding up remarkably well for what it is
[20:08]  * ssweeny loves that laptops are coming out with different logos (i.e. ubuntu) on that key
[20:09] <JonathanD> really?
[20:09] <JonathanD> my ubuntu sticker is long since just a silver label thing :P
[20:09] <JonathanD> ssweeny: what we need is a multiboot key that morphs depending on which OS is active.
[20:09] <JonathanD> and can detect remote desktop and VNC, etc, and morph for those too
[20:09]  * JonathanD nods
[20:10] <JonathanD> not terribly useful, but it'd be nifty.
[20:10] <ssweeny> they have keyboards where each key is an lcd display and hence changeable
[20:11] <JonathanD> I've seen those.
[20:11] <ssweeny> so not entirely out of the question
[20:11] <JonathanD> You've have to load it up with all the distro logos, I suppose.
[20:11] <JonathanD> ssweeny: probably a rather expensive thing for one key.
[20:11] <ssweeny> just put it in the driver
[20:11] <JonathanD> ssweeny: that works for multiboot.
[20:12] <JonathanD> what about remote access ? :P
[20:17] <andrew> pleia2: that probably doesn't work well on the rounded windows keys that exist on dell keyboards
[20:20] <pleia2> andrew: ah, probably not
[20:20] <pleia2> mine doesn't have the silly roundednes
[20:20] <JonathanD> mm, no unity on this box.
[20:20]  * JonathanD heading into CC tonight.
[20:20] <JonathanD> if anyone wants to come party at basekamp.
[20:20] <JonathanD> whoooooooo
[20:25] <jthan> JonathanD: I'd love to come to geeknic, but that weekend isn't too free on my calendar :-(
[20:26] <JonathanD> make it free!
[20:27] <JonathanD> The bears will eat anyone who unfrees it.
[20:27] <JonathanD> They're good like that.
[20:27] <andrew> pleia2: Also, I'm confused that they think a 2D sticker is special, let alone worth extra
[20:28] <andrew> what's the date again for that thing, JonathanD ?
[20:28] <andrew> hrm, i may or may not be able to make that one
[20:29] <andrew> probably on the not, due to potentially visiting my brother during that week
[20:33] <JonathanD> invite him to geeknic, visit him there.
[20:38] <andrew> hrm, seneca rocks/nelson rocks vs geeknic
[20:40] <pleia2> andrew: who thinks what sticker is special?
[20:41] <Sadin> Hi everyone :)
[20:41] <ChinnoDog> hello
[20:42] <JonathanD> Hello ssweeny
[20:42] <JonathanD> erm, hello Sadin
[20:42] <andrew> pleia2: "Fancy something a little different? Then treat yourself to some two-dimensional (2D) Ubuntu stickers..." from that link you shared above at 15:05
[20:42] <pleia2> ah
[20:43] <andrew> Aren't most stickers two-dimensional?
[20:43] <pleia2> they feel foamy, I bought a couple at UDS
[20:43] <pleia2> I think they should call them 3d, they are raised
[20:44] <andrew> so... perhaps a third...
[20:44] <pleia2> not sure what to put them on, since they aren't flat I suspect the CoF will get damaged on my laptop
[20:44] <pleia2> I don't think they know what 2D means :)
[20:46] <JonathanD> pleia2: where can I get the 1D stickers?
[20:46] <jthan> JonathanD: find pencil, draw image
[20:46] <jthan> nope. that's 2D isn't it...
[20:46] <jthan> fail thinking.
[20:46] <JonathanD> yes.
[20:46] <pleia2> has to just be a line
[20:46] <JonathanD> has to have no thickness too :p
[20:46] <jthan> A Line is two-dimensionsal
[20:46] <pleia2> yes, a thicknessless line
[20:46] <JonathanD> jthan: 3, actually.
[20:47] <jthan> JonathanD: yes, in theory. To the eye? Not so much.
[20:47] <JonathanD> since the graphite leaves height, as well :p
[20:47] <Sadin> i cant decide to ither put ubuntu server on my old desktop i just fixed or just put desktop on it :/
[20:47] <pleia2> it's invisible actually, I'll sned you one
[20:47] <jthan> lol
[20:47] <jedijf> Sadin: it works now?
[20:48] <Sadin> Yeah i just burned a startup disk and put it in and it detected the HD
[20:48] <Sadin> or so i thought at least setup booted right up just fine unlike before when the HD was in the other desktop i have
[20:50] <Sadin> jedijf now i just gotta figure out what i want to do with it haha
[20:51] <andrew> Alrightly, we'll see what they say about it
[20:51] <jedijf> Sadin: haha know that feeling....what to do
[20:59] <teddy-dbear> in jedijf's case just break something :-D
[21:02] <Sadin> I really have no clue
[21:02] <Sadin> :P
[21:06]  * Sadin wishes he could use his photoshop in ubuntu :(
[21:07] <jedijf> gimp
[21:07] <Sadin> i know but im 80 times more familiar with photoshop :(
[21:08] <teddy-dbear> bye-bye
[21:08] <Sadin> is it possible to get PS for linux
[21:08] <Sadin> ?
[21:09]  * Sadin thinks that was a dumb question possibly
[21:10] <ssweeny> there are rumors of some versions working with wine, but YMMV
[21:10] <pleia2> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=17
[21:10] <PennBot> Title: WineHQ - Adobe Photoshop (at appdb.winehq.org)
[21:13] <Sadin> thanks pleia2 ill check it out :)
[21:54] <Sadin> time for some cleaning of my bedroom so i can re arrange my studio :D
[21:54] <Sadin> clean up clean up everybody everywhere
[22:40] <knightzero> exit
[22:42] <ChinnoDog> haha. typing fail
[22:43] <Sadin> :O
[22:43] <Sadin> Are there going to be any events???
[22:45] <ChinnoDog> Maybe if you add more question marks one will appear.
[22:53] <Sadin> :)
[22:54] <Sadin> i could haha
[22:54] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: you used to be a perpetrator of the multiple ?s too :)
[22:55] <pleia2> Sadin: anyone can plan events, so if you have an idea for one you're encouraged to suggest things
[22:55] <Sadin> :O ok i might not be able to attend my parents might not be okay with it :/ but ill see if i can
[22:57] <JonathanD> Sadin: theres a camping trip next month.
[22:57] <Sadin> to where?
[22:57] <JonathanD> and I organize picnics periodically.
[22:58] <Sadin> :) this is a good song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnXl_4YoAeM
[22:58] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - Freelance Whales - Generator ^ Second Floor (at www.youtube.com)
[22:58] <JonathanD> they aren't "ubuntu" things though.
[22:58] <JonathanD> Just geeky things.
[22:58] <Sadin> its ok
[22:58] <Sadin> lol
[22:59] <Sadin> ima geek i fit in :D
[23:11] <JonathanD> there ya go :)
[23:39] <Sadin> :D yay i moved my desk and computers around in my room looks alot nicer now :)


[07:00] <micahg> ricotz: hi, PM?
[07:37] <ricotz> micahg, hi, sure
[07:56] <didrocks> good morning
[08:10] <cdbs> didrocks: good morning
[08:10] <didrocks> hey cdbs :)
[08:10] <cdbs> didrocks: unity-preferences seems to be crashing somewhat often
[08:10] <cdbs> (didn't crash in my case, but it seems so, from the crash bugs outta there)
[08:11] <cdbs> didrocks: I guess I understood how its crashing, /me works on a fix
[08:11] <didrocks> cdbs: yeah, I saw that, seems to be a gsettings issue :/
[08:11] <didrocks> cdbs: oh really? nice
[08:11] <cdbs> didrocks: yes, maybe gsettings isn't returning a value which we are expecting
[08:11] <cdbs> didrocks: but that's just a guess
[08:12] <didrocks> cdbs: I can have a look, please focus on bug triage right now ;)
[08:12] <cdbs> didrocks: both :) It takes a long time to bzr branch
[08:12] <cdbs> okay I'll triage it for now
[08:12] <didrocks> gsettings is crashing if the schema isn't installed, I'm wondering if that's not the case there
[08:14] <cdbs> lp timeouts :(
[08:26] <didrocks> cdbs: also, the crash has been reported just once until now
[08:32] <didrocks> cdbs: this crash is a gsettings one FYI, we will poke desrt at UDS
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> it's quiet in here today ;)
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks!
[09:54] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:55] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks. Taking advantage of the quietness to see what unity bugs should be fixed as a 0day SRU or not
[09:55] <didrocks> and you?
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> i'm pretty tired today. i've been up for most of the night with my sick and very grumpy daughter :(
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> i didn't realise kids got ill so often ;)
[10:01] <huats> morning
[10:49] <cdbs> didrocks: back, as for the 'we will poke desrt at UDS' part, 'we' isn't true, I won't be there :(
[10:49] <didrocks> cdbs: s/we/I then :-)
[10:53] <cdbs> .w 25
[10:53] <cdbs> oops
[14:36] <om26er> Is seb128 on vacation(s) ?
[14:37] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, he pretends he's french but he takes german vacation! :-)
[14:37] <om26er> there is a bug in papyon that we might need to get in before release, bug 768974
[14:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 768974 in papyon "papyon doesn't answer server's pings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768974
[14:38] <om26er> didrocks, I could work on the backport in the weekend if its not too late in the cycle
[14:38] <om26er> or will this be SRU?
[14:38] <didrocks> om26er: it's too late for the release
[14:39] <om26er> 0day SRU then, didrocks ?
[14:39] <didrocks> om26er: yeah, 0day SRU or short SRU :-)
[14:40] <om26er> didrocks, alright, thx :)
[14:40] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:11] <rickspencer3> didrocks, good morning, what's the work on the street?
[15:12] <rickspencer3> kenvandine ^ ?
[15:12]  * rickspencer3 thinks about who is still around today
[15:12] <didrocks> rickspencer3: hey, word is nice! nothing scary for now :-)
[15:12] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[15:12] <kenvandine> good morning
[15:12] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, everything is rocking!
[15:12] <rickspencer3> nice
[15:14] <didrocks> rickspencer3: dbarth and I retargeted most of bugs today to get a realistic list for a 0 day SRU and a futur one :-)
[15:14] <rickspencer3> thanks didrocks
[15:15] <rickspencer3> didrocks, did the blacklist for the scrollbars make it into Ubuntu yesterday?
[15:15] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, it did (kenvandine uploaded it)
[15:15] <kenvandine> rickspencer3 there was an updated blacklist
[15:15] <kenvandine> but it didn't include ubiquity
[15:16] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh?
[15:16] <rickspencer3> didrocks, kenvandine said that the scrollbars were still in ubiquity, I thought ubiquity was going to get black listed
[15:16] <kenvandine> no, i never heard ubiquity was supposed to be blacklisted
[15:16] <kenvandine> there was a fix from ev related to scrollbars
[15:16] <kenvandine> in ubiquity
[15:18] <kenvandine>   * Don't ever show scrollbars in the slideshow.  The window growing
[15:18] <kenvandine>     slightly is not ideal, but still better than this. See LP 529201
[15:18] <kenvandine>     for details.
[15:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529201 in ubiquity "ubiquity shows scrollbar in installation slideshow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529201
[15:18] <kenvandine> from the changelog
[15:18] <kenvandine> uploaded yesterday
[15:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, so there are no scrollbars in Ubiquity, then?
[15:18] <kenvandine> there are
[15:19] <kenvandine> just in different places :)
[15:19] <kenvandine> but they worked fine for me
[15:19] <kenvandine> keyboard selector
[15:19] <kenvandine> i think that is the only one actually
[15:20] <didrocks> kenvandine: there were possible the login selection as well, but I didn't see that from last install
[15:20] <kenvandine> ok
[15:20] <kenvandine> i'll take another pass to double check
[15:26] <rickspencer3> thanks guys
[15:26] <rickspencer3> didrocks, kenvandine we have RC ISOs, to test, so far as I can tell
[15:26] <rickspencer3> so we'll have a couple of days to watch for any non-SRUable problems
[15:26] <rickspencer3> am I understanding that correctly?
[15:27] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, you are correct
[15:27] <didrocks> seems correct to me :-)
[15:36] <mterry> The nightly images seem solid
[15:36] <kenvandine> mterry, see any scrollbar issues in the installer?
[15:54] <mterry> kenvandine, no I didn't
[15:54]  * mterry notices that his xchat notifications aren't coming through
[15:58] <rickspencer3> mterry, good news about the images!
[15:59] <rickspencer3> those could be what we release, although I hear through the grapevine that docs and language packs may be updated
[15:59] <rickspencer3> I don't know if that's real though
[16:02] <dobey> yay, then we can all upgrade to 11.10 and suffer another 6 months of daily updates :)
[16:03] <didrocks> dobey: s/suffer/enjoy :-)
[16:03] <kenvandine> yeah, what didrocks said!
[16:03] <kenvandine> that's the spirit :)
[16:03] <didrocks> let's cross fingers that's the final image though :-)
[16:03] <mterry> dobey, I *love* daily updates.  They are crack to me
[16:03] <didrocks> mterry: that's why you are doing daily backup ;-)
[16:03] <kenvandine> gotta feed that addiction!
[16:04] <mterry> didrocks, heh
[16:04] <kenvandine> haha
[16:04]  * kenvandine is ready to push the first pass at image uploading to gwibber trunk
[16:04] <kenvandine> let there be crack!
[16:04] <dobey> mterry: do you have a Cirrus Logic video card or somethng? :)
[16:05] <dobey> or Trident maybe?
[16:05] <mterry> dobey, I don't get that.  :)
[16:05] <kenvandine> mterry, you have to learn to "speak dobey"
[16:05] <dobey> mterry: too old school for you?
[16:05] <kenvandine> :)
[16:06] <dobey> since nvidia/ati/intel seem to break every time the kernel or Xorg change, it seems :)
[16:07] <mterry> dobey, I live in the now, the freshest bits possible.  I don't get references older than a week
[16:07] <rickspencer3> seriously, could you imagine if you desktop only update once every six months?
[16:07] <rickspencer3> what would that even be like
[16:07] <rickspencer3> ?
[16:07] <mterry> Ah, well, I just learn to love X breaks.  They are an opportunity to yell at bryceh
[16:07] <dobey> haha
[16:08] <kenvandine> ah, the monday morning Xorg breakage... love it
[16:08] <kenvandine> only happened to me once all cycle though... because i have intel goodness :)
[16:08] <mterry> rickspencer3, jarring probably.  :)  It must be fun to update from one LTS to another.  All sorts of goodies
[16:09] <rickspencer3> oh my
[16:09]  * rickspencer3 boggles
[16:09] <kenvandine> mterry, that would be like christmas
[16:09] <rickspencer3> imagine going 10.04 -> 12.04 on the desktop
[16:09] <kenvandine> imagine the upgrade from lucid?
[16:09] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[16:09] <mterry> "A backup program that makes coffee for me too?  Love it!"
[16:10] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, btw, your "gimme all the images from my feeds" code you have me is working great
[16:10] <kenvandine> great
[16:10] <rickspencer3> I'd love it if I could go images = gwibber.get_images() ;)
[16:10] <kenvandine> i have a branch that posts uploads to imageshack :)
[16:10] <kenvandine> going to add other places too
[16:10] <kenvandine> and let you configure which one to use
[16:11] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, nice
[16:11] <kenvandine> and it lets you drop an image on the gwibber launcher and it uploads and creates a tweet
[16:11] <kenvandine> :)
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I'd love to replace my imgur code with U1, actually
[16:11] <kenvandine> U1 will be one of the choices, i think
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I upload to imgure because it gives me back a url that I can tweet right away
[16:11] <kenvandine> i just need to sort out knowing you are capable of using it and all
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I'd love to do that iwth U1 isntead
[16:11] <kenvandine> which i am sure isn't hard
[16:11] <kenvandine> right
[16:11] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, sounds like gwibber will handle the posting for me?
[16:11] <kenvandine> maybe
[16:12] <rickspencer3> there will be an api for tweeting images?
[16:12] <mterry> kenvandine, knowing you can use U1?  I have some code in Deja Dup that might help, maybe.  Though it's in vala
[16:12] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, yes
[16:12] <kenvandine> mterry, good reference though :)
[16:12] <kenvandine> cool
[16:12] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, there will be an optional arg to Send
[16:12] <kenvandine> for attachment
[16:13] <kenvandine> if you include an attachment we'll handle uploading to the configured service and inserting the url in the post
[16:13] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, can I just include image= in whatever call I make to do a tweet?
[16:13] <kenvandine> perhaps
[16:13]  * rickspencer3 likes *easy* APIs
[16:13] <kenvandine> we'll discuss the API at UDS
[16:13] <rickspencer3> sounds good
[16:13] <kenvandine> i want it to be dirt easy :)
[16:14] <kenvandine> and i don't want you to have to tell the API it is an image or video...
[16:14] <rickspencer3> I prefer APIs where I don't have to assemble a collection of objects together to do something simple
[16:14] <kenvandine> i want gwibber to figure out the type of media and do the right thing
[16:14] <rickspencer3> *cough* TreeView *cough*
[16:14] <kenvandine> i just want you to pass a uri to the media you want to include
[16:14] <dobey> kenvandine: should be pretty easy to do a u1 image poster plug-in for gwibber, in 11.10
[16:15] <rickspencer3> dobey, that would be sweet!
[16:15] <kenvandine> dobey, i would thinks so.. aq and i spent some time a while back drafting an API for that
[16:15] <dobey> actually, it's pretty easy to do in 11.04 even, if you don't mind having the files locally and on the server
[16:16] <kenvandine> dobey, the important thing is getting the url to the image fast
[16:16] <kenvandine> even if it isn't done syncing :)
[16:17] <mterry> kenvandine, run /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-login then search in d-feet for com.ubuntuone.Credentials.  That's the API to tell if Ubuntu One is running and if they are logged in
[16:17] <kenvandine> cool
[16:18]  * kenvandine thinks it is pretty slick to drag an image from the files/folders lens and drop it on the gwibber launcher to post :)
[16:18] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, no, you need the syncing done
[16:18] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah. but with a client lib to use the REST API instead, you can just throw it on the server, get the URI, and bypass the syncdaemon bits, and not have to have the folder synchronized to the local machine
[16:18] <rickspencer3> you don't want to tweet a link that is busted
[16:18] <rickspencer3> dobey, is there sample code for that?
[16:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, in theory it would only be busted for a matter of seconds
[16:19] <dobey> rickspencer3: not yet, since it doesn't so much exist yet :)
[16:19] <rickspencer3> dobey, can you hack photobomb to replace imgur with U1?
[16:19] <kenvandine> we don't want to block the UI waiting for a file to sync
[16:19] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:19] <rickspencer3> n,
[16:19] <rickspencer3> nm
[16:19] <rickspencer3> I thought you said it would be easy to do in 11.04
[16:19] <kenvandine> not that hard...
[16:19] <kenvandine> but easier in 11.10
[16:19] <kenvandine> in 11.04 you copy a file to a share and call the API to get a link for it
[16:20] <dobey> yeah, in 11.04 you have to use syncdaemon and have a synchronized folder
[16:20] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:20] <kenvandine> i have code to do that already
[16:20] <rickspencer3> so, that sounds a bit hard to program
[16:20] <kenvandine> somewhere
[16:20] <kenvandine> which is why it isn't merged anywhere :)
[16:20] <kenvandine> not good enough
[16:20] <rickspencer3> like, how would you know what folders the user is syncing, etc...
[16:20] <dobey> rickspencer3: well you'd make a folder.
[16:20] <dobey> rickspencer3: like we do for music store.
[16:20] <kenvandine> that is what i did
[16:20] <rickspencer3> like I say "sounds hard to program"
[16:21] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, exactly :)
[16:21] <rickspencer3> that should all be hidden in an API
[16:21] <kenvandine> so if U1 is up to the job in time to get it in gwibber, i'll make it happen :)
[16:21] <dobey> that's what gwibber is for
[16:21] <kenvandine> dobey, i want an easy API too :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> don't make me do all the work for you :)
[16:21] <rickspencer3> gwibber is only use case for that
[16:22] <rickspencer3> a nice feature in LO would be to "send with link" for example
[16:22] <dobey> i mean, os.makedirs() is not that hard to call in python
[16:22] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i'll look at your imgur code as an example and add that as a second image uploader :)
[16:22] <kenvandine> dobey, but it means you have to understand how U1 works to use the API
[16:22] <kenvandine> we don't want developers to have to know that
[16:23] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, don't worry, the API should be nice in 11.10
[16:47] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, humm, the imgur API limits might hurt for gwibber :/
[16:48] <kenvandine> 50 uploads per hour for anonymous
[16:48] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, then get an api key ;)
[16:48] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, that is with an api key :)
[16:48] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:48] <rickspencer3> oops
[16:48] <kenvandine> but 50 per hour for the key
[16:48] <kenvandine> so they count it like facebook does
[16:48] <rickspencer3> except they tell you what the limits are ;)
[16:48] <kenvandine> but... if we auth users with their own accounts the limits are per user
[16:48] <kenvandine> indeed!
[16:50] <kenvandine> i am sure imageshack has limits too
[16:50] <kenvandine> humm
[17:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you try to enable/disable a plugin in ccsm?
[17:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: and tell me if unity still crashes?
[17:02] <kenvandine> didrocks, sure... i love crashing unity :)
[17:03] <didrocks> kenvandine: heh, not as much as gwibber :p
[17:03] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:03] <kenvandine> ok, i enabled and disable the water effect
[17:03] <kenvandine> not crash
[17:03] <didrocks> \o/
[17:03] <kenvandine> oh... scratch that
[17:03] <didrocks> oh?
[17:03] <didrocks> :/
[17:04] <kenvandine> unity didn't crash
[17:04] <kenvandine> but my panel is now just artifacts
[17:04] <kenvandine> black with blue dots
[17:04] <didrocks> yeah, got that with one plugin as well
[17:04] <kenvandine> the launcher seems fine
[17:04] <kenvandine> ok
[17:04] <kenvandine> unity never crashed, launcher works and stuff
[17:05] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks for confirming, at least, the crash is gone :)
[17:05] <kenvandine> np
[17:05] <kenvandine> weird though... why only the panel?
[17:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: the launcher is repainted completely
[17:06] <kenvandine> ah
[17:06] <didrocks> seems not the panel
[17:06]  * kenvandine kills it
[17:07] <kenvandine> doesn't fix it... weird
[17:07] <kenvandine> brb
[17:07] <didrocks> oh?
[17:07] <didrocks> it fixed it for me
[17:07] <kenvandine> not here
[17:07] <kenvandine> panel restarts but still looks the same
[17:08] <kenvandine> i know it restarts too, i can see everything shift up and then back down
[17:08] <didrocks> hum, interesting
[17:08] <didrocks> seems like an old panel would still be around
[19:23] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, do you know anything about language packs?
[19:28] <kenvandine> anyone around that knows about language packs?
[19:34] <dobey> kenvandine: i think everyone is looking for eggs for some reason
[19:35] <dobey> never was sure what eggs had to do with zombies though.
[19:43] <mterry> kenvandine, I know a very little, but I am around.
[20:02] <kenvandine> skaet, maybe mterry can be more informative?
[20:04] <mterry> kenvandine, ?
[20:04] <mterry> oh
[20:04] <mterry> ahem, just got disconnected
[20:22] <skaet> mterry,  trying to track down what happened to the language pack updates that pitti was looking at yesterday.   Do you know the names of some of them?
[20:23] <mterry> skaet, nope, sorry.  :-/
[20:23] <mterry> I'm not aware of any last minute changes he was planning
[20:24] <skaet> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/21/%23ubuntu-release.txt around 8:00 for the conversation.
[20:26] <skaet> mterry ^
[20:30] <mterry> skaet, well, yah, looks like nothing got through.  might be uploaded and not approved...  You want to know the names?  like language-pack-de for example?
[20:43] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, what do you need to know?
[20:44] <skaet> mterry,  yeah,  I just want a definite name to see if I can hunt it down in the system.
[20:45] <mterry> skaet, well, that is an example source package name.  language-pack-de, language-pack-es, etc are what I expect him to upload
[20:46] <skaet> mterry,  thanks - will look explicitly for -de, -es and see if I can find signs anywhere.
[20:53] <Tareq> hello there, can anyone tell me, if i can install gnome3 on my lucid?
[20:53]  * skaet not finding signs,   will dig into it later tonight.
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Tareq: you can install from a ppa, after installing, it can not be removed and the system restored without a reinstall
[20:59] <Tareq> oops, then I shouldn't install I guess :(
[20:59] <mterry> Tareq, also, the PPA isn't for Lucid, but Maverick
[21:00] <mterry> Or rather, Natty
[21:00] <Tareq> yeah, I guessed it, that's why asking here without adding the repo :)
[21:00] <charlie-tca> ooops, missed that part, too.
[21:01] <Tareq> so I shouldn't install it on lucid, I don't want mess up with my development environment :(
[21:02] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:03] <Tareq> thanks charlie-tca and mterry :)
[21:03] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:41] <Budd> Somehow, my ssh-agent carries a bunch of keys that I didn't explicitly add. Once I add three of my own, ssh logins fail due to too many key failures.
[23:42] <Budd> Also ssh-add -D only erases the keys I added; the others remain. What gives?