[00:07] <ash_worksi> join #sqlite
[01:00] <gnUser> Can you guys recommend a PDF reader that supports bookmarking in ubuntu?
[01:24] <zerohour999> Is anyone super familiar with LUKS encryption? When I initially installed ubuntu, I encrypted my entire drive, but now I'd like to make a partition to dual boot OS's. However, after attempting to partition the drive, I still was unable to access it because it was still hidden by the encryption upon attempting to install the second OS. The partition
[01:24] <zerohour999> existed, but it was invisible and still hidden as a part of the primary partition.
[01:25] <zerohour999> I opened this up on StackExchange and nothing seemed to work. For reference if you want: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/602316/remove-luks-encryption-from-single-partition-of-disk
[01:27] <sarnold> zerohour999: I think the post could be improved by editing it to include if you are using gpt or mbr partition table, if you are booting linux to legacy or uefi, if you booting windows to legacy or uefi, and if the kde tool resized any filesystems as part of repartitioning or not
[01:27] <edoneerf> if you want Windows on any unit I suggest to get a separate unit and do the three-stack VeraCrypt fde on the whole Windows-unit
[01:28] <edoneerf> dual booting is pain
[01:30] <edoneerf> and begin with Serpent since we all know AES is sketchy. Or do either-or I'd never rely on AES in any case
[01:31] <zerohour999> @sarnold it's a gpt partition on uefi, if that helps
[01:31] <edoneerf> Serpent technically won, it's just that the NSA et-al loves AES Rinjandel or whatever
[01:31] <edoneerf> for a reason
[01:31] <edoneerf> right
[01:32] <sarnold> zerohour999: so that 'misc' partition is an EFI fat partition?
[01:32] <zerohour999> @sarnold Yes, exactly
[03:06] <DarkTrick> Q: How do I disable update checks? I disabled update checks in within the update settings ("Automatically check for updates"), but even though update* processes regularly start.
[03:31] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: Have a read in " /etc/cron.daily/apt " and " /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades " .
[03:36] <DarkTrick> What should I find in there?
[03:37] <DarkTrick> 50unattended-upgrade seems empty (everything commented out)
[03:37] <DarkTrick> cron.daily/apt does not exist
[03:37] <sharpie> read and read more?
[03:49] <DarkTrick> Perhaps my way of asking was unfortunate.
[03:50] <DarkTrick> I set "Automatically check for updates" to "Never". Is this the wrong place to disable automatic updates?
[04:10] <semitones> Is it possible, nay, is it plausible, in today's day and age, to have a desktop computer with a portable laptop-esque interface?
[04:10] <semitones> Like the image is streamed from the gfx card over the network to a screen
[04:11] <semitones> And touchpad/keyboard inputs are streamed back
[04:11] <semitones> Pregame likeBut it's fast and upgradable like a desktop
[04:11] <semitones> Portable* like
[04:18] <CarlFK> semitones: "yes".. remote desktop things, like VNC.  which is close, but not the same
[04:19] <semitones> Because I know steam link exists
[05:17] <harryguerrilla[m> DarkTrick: I believe the file you may need to edit is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic.  The values should be 0.
[05:27] <DarkTrick> harryguerrilla[m, They are "0"
[05:35] <harryguerrilla[m> DarkTrick: You may want to try disabling the apt-daily.service (sudo systemctl disable apt-daily.service).
[05:38] <DarkTrick> harryguerrilla[m, I disabled it. I'll see if it has any effect. (btw. shouldn't that service get disabled, if I click the GUI?)
[05:44] <harryguerrilla[m> DarkTrick: That I'm not sure, but based on the settings you can choose, my guess would be that it does not disable the service.  It would  only change the frequency with which the system checks for updates.
[05:46] <DarkTrick> 👍
[06:19] <ailion> What is accountsservice?
[06:19] <ailion> I found it on Ubuntu Server 20.04.1 by `ps aux | grep accounts`
[06:26] <andrea_p> Hi, after a recent update the X server won't start, I have an error "/dev/dri/card0: failed to et DRM interfvace version 1.4: permission denied"
[06:27] <andrea_p> and at the end: modeset(0) drmSetMaster failed: invalid argument
[06:27] <andrea_p> I'm using the amdgpu driver
[06:30] <andrea_p> I have the same error even if I do an X -configure and then try to start directly X as root with X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
[06:30] <ailion> andrea_p: on grub menu, select the previous kernel. that might work
[06:31] <andrea_p> ailion, I tried with a previous kernel
[06:33] <ailion> are you using something like bumblebee?
[06:33] <andrea_p> ailion, no luck, same error
[06:35] <andrea_p> i'm on an amd card; not sure if it's relevant but I'm using rocm
[06:40] <ailion> does your cpu have iGPU?
[06:40] <andrea_p> no
[06:48] <truexfan81> i don't suppose the package maintainer for libplacebo is in here?
[06:48] <truexfan81> need a newer version for ubuntu 20.04 1.7 is too old, need a minimum of 1.18
[06:51] <guiverc> truexfan81, there are MOTUs here yes, but they aren't likely to respond to anything here, as requests like that belong in bug-trackers (lp), and even then upgraded packages are now likely to go into next release (H most probably now; 1.29.1+dfsg1-2 is in groovy now)
[07:05] <truexfan81> well for those that jump from lts to lts thats 2 years away tho
[07:05] <guiverc> it's a universe package, so a member from the community can step in and do the work... we'd all love more people to step up and help
[07:30] <emilien> I'm trying to use a variable after "find" but "tar" won't play nice, what should I do? "find /home -name '*KEEP*' -exec tar -cvzf $TODAY_DATE $PWD \;"
[07:32] <emilien> this is the script to give an idea what I'm trying to do https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YqFcHPn6bw/
[08:42] <apw> emilien, and what does it do and how does that differ from what you expect
[08:44] <apw> emilien, are you expecting $PWD to be the directory in which *KEEP* is found ?
[08:46] <apw> emilien, and are you expecting a tarball in each directory containing those KEEP files?
[08:46] <apw> emilien, if so then i suspect you really want "find /home -name '*KEEP*' -execdir tar -cvzf $TODAY_DATE . \;"
[08:49] <neure> hi
[09:01] <codebam> hey so I rebooted and it booted me to a tty for some reason. I must have accidentally removed some or all of the packages in the ubuntu-desktop
[09:01] <codebam> so I just reinstalled `ubuntu-desktop` right
[09:01] <codebam> but the problem I'm facing now is that it loads ubuntu gnome wayland, with no option to use xorg on the login screen
[09:02] <akemhp> I have this running on my system right now "14927 ?        S<Ls   0:48 /usr/bin/atop -R -w /var/log/atop/atop_20200909 600", isn't atop manually started? I mean i know i never started that since i booted, how comes i have this in my process list, any idea?
[09:02] <codebam> which is a problem because nvidia is garbage on wayland
[09:02] <codebam> how can I reinstall gnome xorg?
[09:02] <codebam> it doesn't seem to be part of ubuntu-desktop
[09:04] <codebam> what's the package name of ubuntu's gnome interface?
[09:04] <codebam> so I can install it
[09:05] <emilien> apw: I worked it out and used ; find . -name '*KEEP*' -print0 | xargs -0 tar -cvzf  "/home/emilien/$TODAY" thanks
[09:08] <codebam> anyone? I'm stuck at a tty
[09:09] <akemhp> codebam, Do a clean reinstall from a liveUSB, it will be faster.
[09:10] <codebam> seriously?
[09:10] <codebam> if I'm reinstalling I'm not installing ubuntu that's for sure
[09:10] <akemhp> As you wish.
[09:11] <codebam> it shouldn't be this difficult. I've had easier experiences on arch
[09:11] <codebam> that's saying a lot
[09:11] <codebam> I just mean. there should be a way for me to fix it
[09:26] <Tuor> Hi, I got a lenovo p53 and I have issues with the nvidia card. I tried multiple drivers. The one closest to working was nvidia-driver-450. But i got some wired screen flickering... any idea wjat I could try?
[09:27] <zetheroo> Ubuntu 20.04 is using timesyncd and not ntp ... right!?
[09:29] <zetheroo> when I do 'systemctl status timesyncd' I get 'Unit timesyncd.service could not be found.'
[09:33] <kek_> hi so how do I tell ubuntu to use a specific keyboard layout but keep everything english?
[09:56] <kek_> sry dced
[10:13] <pigeta> hello
[10:17] <pigeta> my graphic card  only have resolution 1024x768 here un ubuntu but in windows i can set 1600x900
[10:17] <pigeta> how to fix here ?
[10:18] <pigeta> the graphic card is not new its a ati hd4350
[10:18] <pigeta> but still working
[10:21] <FManTropyx> you probably have to manually add the highest mode - I had to do it that way to get it to work on Ubuntu
[10:23] <pigeta> ok you know how?
[10:23] <FManTropyx> xrandr --newmode and then xrandr --addmode
[10:44] <raver> Hi, I've build the current biboumi 8.5 stable Version for Armbian (arm64) via checkinstall. is there a place I can Upload it in case anyone is interested?
[10:45] <daire> I am looking for a guide that covers 20.04.1 installation with full disk encryption, with encrypted swap supporting hibernaiton, and btrfs.
[10:45] <Greenfrog> > thanks EriC^^ seting at my laptop enjoying musak and irc, plus internet, thanks for your help
 you were patient and kind, thanks :)
 ok, i'm xbfrog :)
 on the new laptop :)
 ok well not new
 but revived
 well crud
[10:47] <daire> There is a guide on the wiki writted by Tj that covers some of what I need. In the guide Tj references support possibly being available here, does Tj come in here much?
[10:50] <Tonius> Hi! I use ubuntu 20.04.1 with pidgin from official repo. +pidgin-sipe. I need to connect with lync server. I add account protocol Office communicator, but have ssl error. What to do? Sorry for my broken english =)
[10:51] <Tonius> or exist some other method to use lync ?
[10:53] <hempman77> Hi everyone
[10:53] <hempman77> I can't connect to my hotspot phone or usb tethering
[10:54] <hempman77> I have network manager on xubuntu studio
[10:54] <hempman77> No connection in my xubuntu.
[10:54] <hempman77> I can't download or update my distro
[11:02] <pigeta> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QhFFXTMSxm/ where is the mistake?
[11:03] <makara1> where can I ask a question about converting markdown2html. None of the tools I've seen can discover links and convert them, even though this is markdown default behaviour
[11:03] <guiverc> daire, I see Tj often, but I can't say how often (a search thru irclogs would probably tell you)
[11:06] <osse> Is there any docs on how the default sounds system works in Ubuntu, e.g. pulseaudio interacts with alsa? My USB headset is unreliable i Ubuntu. Sometimes I can choose it at as a output device and sometimes not. The last time I managed to fix it by fiddling with pavucontrol
[11:28] <summonner> makara1, try in #web?
[11:34] <daire> guiverc: thanks
[11:43] <hempman77> Hi my network manager don't work properly
[11:44] <hempman77> I don't have phone internet wifi or tethering in my xubuntu
[11:44] <hempman77> Can you help me please
[11:45] <summonner> hempman77, you should upgrade from Ubuntu 12 to at least 18
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:52] <makara1> summonner: thx
[11:52] <hempman77> Summonner I can't internet don't work
[11:53] <ElNomReal> But.. you're here?
[11:53] <summonner> hempman77, what have you tried? what do your logs say?
[11:54]  * summonner grins at ElNomReal
[12:09] <hempman77> Summonner I can't copy past but I don't have ping to google.fr
[12:09] <hempman77> And when I write Ifdown wlo1 : unknown interface wlo1
[12:10] <hempman77> I don't have wifi connection (wlo1)
[12:12] <semitones> should this work? (bash) for i in *; echo "$i"
[12:25] <summonner> semitones,    for i in *; do echo $i; done
[12:26] <semitones> thanks, I just realized that too lol. bash scripting 101
[12:26] <summonner> hempman77, need more details. is this a new installation? is this a stable installation for a while and you recently updated? help me help you
[12:31] <hempman77> Summonner I restart my computer next day and it don't work
[12:31] <hempman77> Ifconfig said it work
[12:31] <hempman77> Lost connection
[12:32] <hempman77> And if I don't have apt get upgrade, how to connect for that ? Can I have apt upgrade offline ?
[12:32] <hempman77> I read some forum... But nothing
[12:34] <hempman77> Someone said me on the french forum use <IP_ADDRESS> for dns... But how to do that ? w to
[12:38] <hempman77> Re
[12:39] <hempman77> Back sorry
[12:39] <hempman77> No internet on my pc
[12:39] <hempman77> Maybe my distro is dead ?
[12:39] <submux> Does anyone know how I can contact Ubuntu package maintainers? liblvm-dev doesn't include the liblvm2 headers.. meaning lvm2app.h is missing for some reason
[12:40] <submux> specifically that's in ubuntu 20.04.. it was there in earlier versions
[12:56] <pizzaiolo> submux i'd guess the best way to address that would be to open a bug report
[12:57] <zakame> submux: I think that's been dropped, even Debian buster doesn't have that now, see also https://sourceware.org/git/?p=lvm2.git;a=blob;f=WHATS_NEW;h=1fffbb5d7c5b85daa206cdfa4fa9826afd6cba8a;hb=HEAD#l330
[12:58] <zakame> yep dropped in https://sourceware.org/git/?p=lvm2.git;a=commitdiff;h=27c647d6ce707326237771d3b046b6049161fb5a;hp=2a7f2a3a244dd02cacb947b19f7400b53dd71ca4
[12:59] <submux> Ugh... that's terribly inconvenient. I suppose I need an alternative :/
[13:00] <submux> Thanks though
[13:09] <asdfgh> hello i have having a strange problem with ubuntu 20.04 after i suspend it, chrome show lagged windows,
[13:09] <asdfgh> what could be the problem?
[13:11] <asdfgh> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273399/problems-with-chrome-browser-after-suspend-the-computer-on-ubuntu-20-04
[13:11] <asdfgh> this ^
[13:14] <hempman77> How to reconfigure for factory reset my distro without reinstall and save my files ?
[13:15] <hempman77> Without iso installation of ubuntu ?
[13:15] <hempman77> I need to redownload that ?
[13:16] <hempman77> I transfer my files in another ssd?
[13:16] <hempman77> And for have reset ?
[13:16] <summonner> hempman77, type in ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:17] <summonner> and use CTRL and c to break that when it's running for a little while. Do you get a response? or it says Destination Unreachable?
[13:17] <hempman77> Destination Unreachable
[13:18] <summonner> right so the problem is to do with your wifi or ethernet cable. which do you use?
[13:18] <hempman77> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=2 Destination Net Unreachable
[13:19] <summonner> what's your machine's IP address?  if you type   ifconfig   it should tell you.... 192.168.?.?
[13:21] <summonner> hempman77, I have to leave in a few minutes. please hurry
[13:22] <hempman77> Inet <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:22] <summonner> someone else can take over. if hempman77 has an ip address, and you can ping the router, the problem is the router and not ubuntu
[13:23] <hempman77> Interface usb0
[13:23] <summonner> then hempman77 should go into #networking for help
[13:23] <hempman77> Netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:24] <hempman77> Broadcast : <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:24] <hempman77> Ha no
[13:24] <hempman77> To difficult for me, I try to reinstall the system
[13:25] <BluesKaj> reinstalling might not help
[13:26] <BluesKaj> have you checked your connections to the router?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> hempman77, ^
[13:27] <jarco5000> he could just be missing his default gateway
[13:27] <hempman77> It's my smartphone with usb tethering
[13:28] <jarco5000> Or if he is in usa tethering might be blocked
[13:29] <BluesKaj> doubt he's in the uS
[13:29] <BluesKaj> france
[13:30] <hempman77> Lmao
[13:31] <hempman77> Government do not authorize that
[13:31] <BluesKaj> authorize what ?
[13:31] <hempman77> Yeah Because they don't want to see me on computer
[13:32] <hempman77> And they cut internet on my pc sure
[13:32] <hempman77> Somebody watching me /_\
[13:33] <BluesKaj> bah
[13:34] <ses1984> what do people do to manage remote linux desktops connecting to a company vpn
[13:35] <ses1984> my company's security team wants to get rid of linux workstations because it's harder to manage them than mac
[13:37] <BluesKaj> think that's BS, macs are so proprietary your company will pay thru the nose for their services
[13:38] <ses1984> if we could find a way to pay the same amount of money to secure linux desktop endpoints, we probably would
[13:38] <ses1984> we are already paying through the nose to secure mac endpoints and we accept that as a cost of doing business
[13:40] <jpds> Are they complaining about the fact that they don't have a way of remotely managing the systems, or securing them?
[13:41] <ses1984> what's the difference, an unmanaged system isnt' secure. if a system is insecure how can you trust you're managing it?
[13:42] <jpds> Well, there's all sorts of tooling like Puppet/Landscape/etc to manage Linux systems
[14:32] <Gh0sta> Hey guys!
[14:33] <Gh0sta> hope everyone is having an amazing day
[14:38] <Adamlw> hi
[15:03] <xMeia> how you all doin? whats up
[15:25] <xMeia> my ncspot(spotify) is laggy, the audio, why?
[15:31] <summonner> ses1984, you can have tripwire and a whole host of monitors on a linux machine. Your IT team sounds like a bunch of point and click'ers
[15:31] <vlm> when using variables in bash,its only valid for bash and subshell of bash right?So if referring a variabel in some config file for a program that wouldnt work?
[15:31] <summonner> Linux is way more secure by default than mac or windows
[15:31] <jpds> summonner: Not necessarily
[15:32] <ElNomReal> Depends on the default I guess.
[15:34] <summonner> xMeia, what have you checked?
[15:35] <ricksanchez_> .
[15:36] <summonner> Any unpatched and unsecured system has holes by default, this is a given. I saw a CUPS vulnerability the other week/month. At least with Ubuntu, security patches are installed by default. Following a guide, say the NSA setup documents, will harden your default image (if they push images via pxe or however)
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[16:06] <Greenfrog> EriC^^ my hard drive is running
[16:07] <Greenfrog> "wonderfully" thanks :) woot
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> great to hear Greenfrog
[16:09] <Greenfrog> he did a great job helping me
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | ericus
[16:10] <Greenfrog> its Eric^^ give him two cookies :)
[16:10] <mikunos> hello guys I have just installed the latest Ubuntu in a NEW SSD HD but when I try to use the system I get the input output error message for every command (bash too). https://photos.app.goo.gl/VN5p9M5E4ax3QE338
[16:17] <mikunos> any idea?
[16:18] <akemhp> mikunos, It does boot up to the desktop GUI?
[16:18] <akemhp> Or you boot up in terminal mode?
[16:18] <mikunos> @akemhp yes I am using it
[16:19] <Maik> using what...?
[16:19] <mikunos> I am using the GUI
[16:19] <mikunos> but when I stress it up, the GUI freeze and the application are stucks
[16:20] <mikunos> I am testing the RAM too with the memtester tool
[16:20] <mikunos> but I don't understand why this happens
[16:20] <akemhp> mikunos, Sounds bad. I would try to boot on live USB and check the SSD drive.
[16:20] <mikunos> the SSD is brand new
[16:20] <akemhp> Run a fsck on it. Maybe smart i don't know what tool are used to check it really.
[16:21] <akemhp> mikunos, It may be faulty, or your file system is damaged.
[16:21] <mikunos> the OS has been just installed
[16:21] <mikunos> it is brand new too
[16:22] <mikunos> it seems to me a RAM issue but I am not sure
[16:22] <akemhp> mikunos, Try a fsck on /dev/sdaX where X is your root filesystem, but you need to do that from a live USB.
[16:23] <akemhp> I/O is not RAM afaik.
[16:23] <akemhp> But you can check RAM with testmem86 i think its called.
[16:23] <akemhp> Look it up on google.
[16:25] <akemhp> Or Duckduckgo if you prefer :P
[16:25] <mikunos> I am sure that the problem is NOT the SSD Drive
[16:26] <akemhp> You don't understand it mqy just be the filesystem...
[16:27] <akemhp> A fsck would repair it.
[16:29] <Greenfrog> yes do a file system check
[16:30] <Greenfrog> at least eliminate that
[16:33] <LiftLeft> sarnold, oerheks: I did apt-get install on the packages that it said weren't installed. apt-get install only got most of the way through the installation
[16:55] <pigeta> hello
[17:02] <Greenfrog> hello
[17:03] <Greenfrog> what are you expecting by saying "hello"?
[17:04] <Greenfrog> me? i'm just a noob
[17:04] <Greenfrog> well, crud its me ugh
[17:05] <kostkon> Drone
[17:05] <kostkon> ooops
[17:07] <elias_a> !ask
[17:26] <Nisse_> Hello! Running ubuntu server edition on my server, and I'm going to upgrade the hardware tomorrow. Do I need to re-install ubuntu for everything to work properly, or can I just boot on the same hdd again after I've replaced the parts?
[17:27] <compdoc> Nisse_, be a good idea to clone the drive first, but just boot it. should be ok
[17:28] <Nisse_> Cool! any recommended software for that, or can I just copy everything to an external drive?
[17:28] <compdoc> you might have to make some changes to configs to get it all working, but it might just work anyway
[17:28] <compdoc> Nisse_, clonezilla
[17:29] <Nisse_> compdoc: Thank you!
[17:29] <legreffier> unless you're planning weird stuff with the newer machine (ie. setting up a GPU...) you should be completely fine just booting on the newer box with the old HDD
[17:29] <Nisse_> I'm swapping out motherboard, ram and cpu
[17:30] <compdoc> what cpu is it?
[17:30] <Nisse_> ryzen 7 3700x
[17:30] <Nisse_> right now it's and amd apu from 2011
[17:30] <compdoc>  you should be on the latest version of ubuntu for that cpu
[17:31] <compdoc> I think they started suppoting it around version 18
[17:31] <Nisse_> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[17:32] <Nisse_> So that should be fine
[17:34] <sta|ker> Hello, I have a Dell Precision 5520 and installed Ubuntu 19.04 on it. I'm currently having some issues with the keyboard. Sometimes is will double random characters, i.e. typing "This is a test" might give me "Thiis is a ttest". It also will not type some keys randomly on first "click", like I'd have to press "f" three times before it will appear (again, random keys). Also sometimes if I type quick enough, again "This is a test" I'll ge
[17:34] <sta|ker> t something like "Tshi is a Tset". I can't seem to find anything related to these three issues. Could this be a setting? Or maybe a driver issue?
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> sta|ker: 19.04 is end of life, install a supported version from the topic please
[17:35] <sta|ker> oh, sorry, I didn't realize it was already EOL. I'll go ahead and upgrade the distro and get back if there is an issue. Thanks!
[17:36] <Zxce3> halo
[17:53] <pavlos> is there a way to distinguish packages that were installed by the user vs the system? dpkg --get-selections shows everything
[17:58] <oerheks> pavlos, apt-mark showmanual
[18:03] <oerheks> pavlos, excluding snaps of course
[18:04] <pavlos> oerheks: thx, dpkg gives me 2687 pkg, mark gives me 2040, I'll find the diff
[18:12] <sem2peie> good evening, are there any ubuntu developers present? (e.g. Seth Forshee)
[18:13] <oerheks> sem2peie, unlikely, his handle is sforshee on irc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SethForshee
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> sem2peie: for the ubuntu developers there is also #ubuntu-devel
[18:13] <oerheks> one is free to email, or write on mailinglists.
[18:14] <oerheks> yes, maybe that is the place they hang out, during officehours
[18:15] <sem2peie> Ah OK thanks
[18:34] <spiffdaddy> !info linux -generic
[18:35] <spiffdaddy> !info linux-headers-generic
[18:37] <oerheks> one can go wild on ubottu in PM too :-P
[18:38] <chx777> hi...i use ubuntu 20.04 and today i noticed that the categories in ubuntu software center disappeared...only the editor picks are shown...how to solve this issue pls?
[18:40] <oerheks> on the top panel, choose 'all' or go back button on the left?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> chx777: categories work here
[18:44] <oerheks> one can reset gnome-software by deleting ~/.cache/gnome-software, it will be recreated
[18:44] <chx777> it worked for me too till yesterday...but now are not there...
[18:45] <kenperkins> Hello! I have a brand new acer swift 3 (amd 4700u) with a fresh install of 20.04.1, the brightness does not appear to function; where do I start looking for issues?
[18:47] <tomreyn> kenperkinsis it fully updated, yet? have you tried a newer kernel version? does     journalctl -b | grep exp_hw_support    return anything?
[18:48] <oerheks> focal-proposed seems to work, see #19  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1877757
[18:49] <tomreyn> i didn'T read the bug report, but it says "Ice Lake core-i7", not "amd 4700u"
[18:51] <oerheks> oops
[18:53] <kenperkins> @tomreyn fully updated. have not changed kernel
[18:53] <kenperkins> `see modparam exp_hw_support`
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: could you share youd dmesg with the volunteers please?
[18:55] <tomreyn> kenperkins: so you may want !kernelparm     amdgpu.exp_hw_support=1
[18:55] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | kenperkins
[18:56] <tomreyn> opibaf PPA *may* also be desirable
[18:56] <tomreyn> * oibaf
[18:57] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[18:57] <tomreyn> (not supported here)
[18:58] <hempman77> Hi
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> welcome hempman77
[18:59] <hempman77> I don't have network on my computer can you help me ?
[18:59] <tomreyn> kenperkins: there's also linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge if you want to try a newer kernel
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> hempman77: are you running ubuntu?
[18:59] <hempman77> Yes
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> hempman77: wifi or ethernet? just installed ubuntu?
[19:00] <hempman77> Usb tethering smartphone
[19:00] <hempman77> Yep ping <IP_ADDRESS> : destination net unreachable
[19:01] <hempman77> 5 packets : 0 received, 4 errors, 100% packet loss, time 4004ms
[19:03] <sarnold> <IP_ADDRESS> is a bad ip to test with, a lot of ISPs are broken and can't route it
[19:04] <sarnold> which might be the point of your testing, of course, but <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> is better for "does it kinda look like I'm probably online"
[19:06] <kenperkins> @lotuspsychje remind me the right way to share the dmesg?
[19:06] <hempman77> Sarnold same result
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> hempman77: can this help: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-mobile.html.en
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: dmesg in terminal and upload to pastebin, or use pastebinit
[19:08] <jpds> hempman77: Can you ping your default gateway? 'ip r' will show this
[19:08] <hempman77> Do not work lotuspsychje
[19:08] <kenperkins> https://termbin.com/8dgd
[19:09] <ktosiek> Hi! I have a pretty strange problem - after disconnecting from VPN my /etc/resolv.conf is unreadable. It correctly points to /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf, but that file is owned by root and has mode 600
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: have you tryed booting with secureboot off to compare? secureboot can influence things in some cases
[19:10] <kenperkins> hmm, I have not, just installing first time today
[19:10] <kenperkins> can i safely disable secureboot without needing to change anything else in ubuntu?
[19:10] <sarnold> kenperkins: yes
[19:11] <hempman77> Jpds when I ping my local ip it work : 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=12 ttl=64 time=2.36 ms
[19:11] <hempman77> Jpds but no internet ... On my phone I have internet
[19:12] <jpds> hempman77: Not your device's IP, your gateway IP
[19:13] <kenperkins> hm i don't appear to be able to disable secure boot
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: can you also check: sudo lshw -C video plz, see if graphics drivers are loaded correctly
[19:15] <tomreyn> kenperkins: i think you can be fine with just the kernel parameter, maybe the updated kernel, too. there's also a newer bios for this system than you have now, but the changelog looks unrelated:  https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/support-product/8263?b=1
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> hempman77: network card drivers loaded? sudo lshw -C network
[19:16] <kenperkins> oh I'm a dummy
[19:16] <kenperkins> you have to set a supervisor password to disable secure boot
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> depends on the machines brand kenperkins not so dumb
[19:18] <hempman77> Rndis ! I restart my phone becausd it's not on my desactivated app
[19:18] <hempman77> Brb
[19:20] <kenperkins> @lotuspsychje updated with no secure boot and the video above: https://termbin.com/fgx1
[19:20] <kenperkins> still does not work, looks like it's generic vga
[19:21] <kenperkins> actually i may be wrong there
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: drivers are down driver=...
[19:21] <kenperkins> this looks like smoking gun: [   31.402514] acer_wmi: Unknown function number - 4 - 0
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: proceed with the ideas tomreyn provided then
[19:22] <pavlos> ktosiek: perms for stub-resolv are 644
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> pavlos: did you find your dpkg trick
[19:24] <pavlos> lotuspsychje: not yet; got distracted with other tasks
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> pavlos: perhaps digging into the dpkg logs can help you find last comes and goes better?
[19:26] <pavlos> lotuspsychje: /var/log/apt/history* files do not distinguish user vs system install/updates
[19:26] <kenperkins> @tomreyn trying amdgpu.exp_hw_support=1 now
[19:28] <kenperkins> that resulted in different behavior for the UI brightness adjustment but no actual brightness change from the hardware
[19:29] <kenperkins> it did however add driver=amdgpu for lshw -C video in the configuration section
[19:31] <tomreyn> kenperkins: so the right video driver got loaded this time.
[19:31] <tomreyn> now you may also want acpi_backlight=vendor
[19:32] <kenperkins> is that another kernel param in grub?
[19:32] <tomreyn> yes
[19:32] <tomreyn> good luck, i'll bbl
[19:32] <kenperkins> :thumbsup: brb
[19:33] <kenperkins> I assume since the actual video driver got loaded I'll want that one to be permanent for sure?
[19:33] <tomreyn> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=254614&p=2 looks related, especially https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/amd-gfx/2020-May/049914.html
[19:34] <tomreyn> you can persist the experimental amdgpu graphics switch, or try whether the newer kernel works without it
[19:35] <kenperkins> no dice on the acpi_backlight vendor change
[19:51] <ktosiek> pavlos: that's what I'd expect, but in this specific situation they are not. Restarting systemd-resolved fixes it, but I don't know where to start debugging this problem.
[19:52] <ktosiek> I'll be going to sleep in a few minutes, but if you ping me I'll respond first thing in the morning :-)
[19:53] <pavlos> ktosiek: your vpn software, I assume, saves the current dns, issues a new nameserver for their service and when you disconnect, it resets the nameserver
[20:21] <bumblefuzzz> so, I just got done configuring a new ubuntu server
[20:21] <bumblefuzzz> I set it up for publickey access only
[20:21] <bumblefuzzz> logged in and out multipple times
[20:22] <bumblefuzzz> but now, out of nowhere I can't log on: permission denied (publickey)
[20:22] <bumblefuzzz> I have changed nothing
[20:22] <bumblefuzzz> I've done this twice
[20:22] <bumblefuzzz> I wiped and reinstalled ubuntu server a 2nd time and this has happened again
[20:22] <bumblefuzzz> I don't understand why, with no changes, I am getting locked out due to publickey access
[20:23] <bumblefuzzz> can anyone help?
[20:25] <bumblefuzzz> I logged back in locally, deleted my publickey, readded it, and it's still asking for a password
[20:26] <bumblefuzzz> permissions on ~/.ssh are drwxrwxr-x
[20:26] <bumblefuzzz> permissions on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys are -rw-rw-r--
[20:27] <bumblefuzzz> so, why is ubuntu, after 2 fresh installs, locking out SSH keys added to this file, when they worked previously??????
[20:30] <pavlos>  .ssh/ should be 700, authkeys should be 600
[20:31] <bumblefuzzz> what's the syntax?
[20:31] <bumblefuzzz> chmod something somethign
[20:34] <pavlos> chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
[20:34] <bumblefuzzz> got it
[20:34] <bumblefuzzz> thank you
[20:34] <pavlos> chmod 700 ~/.ssh
[20:39] <pavlos> public keys (.pub) could be 644 but private keys (id_rsa) are 600
[20:43] <BarnabasDK> aka readble only to the owner
[20:44] <BarnabasDK> which makes sense
[20:44] <BarnabasDK> never open your keys (ssh or otherwise) to access outside your user account
[20:59] <oerheks> adding keys, restart ssh service..
[20:59] <oerheks> i would check the logs why you are logged out.
[21:00] <oerheks> ufw log, if you enabled that.
[21:14] <wolfram> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 18.04 Mate. I have a laptop with a Mini DisplayPort receptacle that I am trying to connect to an external DisplayPort monitor. The monitor's on-screen display maintains that a DP cable is not connected. I confirmed that it is physically connected.
[21:14] <wolfram> This laptop is a few years old and I have never used DP before. I am trying to check if Ubuntu recognises the DP port at all. However, 'sudo lshw' does not return anything. Is there perhaps another command I can run to check what ports, DP in particular, the system can recognise? Thank you.
[21:15] <sarnold> wolfram: perhaps xrandr?
[21:16] <sarnold> wolfram: does lspci show a graphics card to account for it?
[21:21] <oerheks> maybe you need to attach the monitor before boot.
[21:21] <oerheks> seen that before
[21:21] <wolfram> sarnold: There is "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)" but I am not sure what you mean by accounting for it?
[21:22] <wolfram> oerheks: Yes, I have seen it with I am not sure what, USB or HDMI, where the kernel would disable a port unused during power up, but here I already restarted it and checked in BIOS if there is anything about DP (nothing).
[21:23] <oerheks> some laptops have a FN key for internal/external/both screens
[21:24] <wolfram> sarnold: xrandr says "DP-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)" but I am not sure if it means the cable is disconnected or the port is disabled?
[21:24] <wolfram> oerheks: Interesting, I did not know it, I think this is not one of these, I have been using HDMI with an external display without any key combinations, but thanks :)
[21:25] <wolfram> sarnold: (I assume DP-1 means DisplayPort-1)
[21:27] <sarnold> wolfram: okay, cool, so at least it's mostly visible :)
[21:27] <sarnold> wolfram: try the 'connect and power on before boot' thing
[21:28] <wolfram> sarnold: Restarting in 3..2..1.. :)
[21:32] <wolfram> Hm, I do not have an IRC history file here and I do not remember your nickname, the person with whom I was chatting a moment ago.
[21:33] <wolfram> But restarting while ensuring the monitor is powered on did not help.
[21:34] <wolfram> The monitor displays a banner to the effect that "the computer is not sending any signals, try to move mouse or press any key", which intrigues me because maybe it does recognises that the cable is connected.
[21:34] <pavlos> wolfram: laptop make/model?
[21:35] <sarnold> wolfram: does xrandr still show nothing connected?
[21:35] <pavlos> wolfram: btw, sarnold was helping you
[21:36] <wolfram> pavlos: sarnold Thanks. The laptop is Dell Latitude E7240 and monitor is Dell U2415.
[21:42] <wolfram> sarnold: The last time I was doing something like that was around 2001, trying to connect a mouse to an Debian Woody or Potato, I cannot recall anymore, but it required some attention. If I read the webs correctly, and based on what you say, xrandr is the tool responsible for this kind of configuration?
[21:43] <wolfram> wolfram: Also, I think I never managed to connect that mouse but Mandrake recognised it immediately :)
[21:44] <sarnold> wolfram: hah, yeah, xinput devices are still annoying :)
[21:44] <sarnold> wolfram: hours spent with imwheel and so on..
[21:44] <sarnold> wolfram: anyway yes, xrandr is the command line interface to doing things like turning monitors on, off, placing them left of or right of each other, etc. there's probably a friendlier gui in your control panel
[21:47]  * jescis wishes Dell supported 20.04.1 LTS on his Inspiron 11 3180! :\
[21:47] <wolfram> sarnold: I am fine with the command line generally but this part of Linux is not my forte. Anyway, I know what to use so I will read up more on xrandr.
[21:47] <wolfram> jescis: In what way is it not supported?
[21:48] <jescis> wolfram: I'm using a generic not OEM kernel
[21:48] <sarnold> wolfram: here's two little scripts I wrote to switch which display to use https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RRbpHFTPZR/
[21:49] <wolfram> sarnold: Thanks again.
[21:51] <wolfram> sarnold: Per your script, if I turn off eDP-1 which appears to be the laptop's display, will that persist across reboots? I do not want to be left about without any display at all.
[21:52] <sarnold> wolfram: no, it only happens 'live', no persistent changes
[21:52] <wolfram> sarnold: Got it.
[22:54] <devslash> i downloaded ubuntu server . After i go through the steps of installation it starts to install and says "Sorry there was a problem with this installation" and takes me back to the main installation screen where you select your language
[22:55] <devslash> this is happening in Virtualbox 6
[22:56] <mason> devslash: There's a channel #ubuntu-server that might be of use. Anyway, check out the fourth virtual console to see if there's anything there to indicate what happened.
[22:56] <devslash> how much space does ubuntu server need
[22:58] <Doc-Saintly> Is there a way to copy the text from a dialog box? It's too small so I can't see the text, and it's not responding to keyboard resize events
[23:01] <sarnold> Doc-Saintly: it depends on the dialog box
[23:01] <sarnold> sadly not everything lets you select text :(
[23:02] <sarnold> devslash: you could use a ten gig root filesystem if you absolutely need but you'll be much happier with 20 gigs
[23:02] <devslash> ok just making sure
[23:02] <devslash> i allocated 30GB to the VM
[23:04] <Doc-Saintly> sarnold, - I see, thanks.
[23:04] <devslash> after the integrity check I see a message that there was an error found in 1 file
[23:04] <devslash> also
[23:04] <devslash> failed to start snap daemon and holds snappy daemon refresh
[23:05] <sarnold> devslash: I suggest checking dmesg on both guest and host
[23:05] <devslash> the host is windows
[23:06] <devslash> i think theres a problem with the iso
[23:07] <sarnold> that could be, you could double-check the sha256sum of the downloaded iso
[23:07] <devslash> no
[23:07] <devslash> but i downloaded it on 2 different machines
[23:07] <sarnold> my guess was aimed towards the disk failing, and returning garbage; probably windows event viewer can help there
[23:08] <devslash> i dont see anything in the windows log that relates to virtualbox
[23:10] <sarnold> how about hardware, disk, storage, filesystem?
[23:11] <devslash> what about it
[23:12] <sarnold> are there any errors for any of those categories?
[23:12] <devslash> in windows event viewer ?
[23:12] <sarnold> yeah
[23:12] <devslash> no
[23:12] <devslash> im using virtualbox. you do realize that right ?
[23:12] <sarnold> yes
[23:13] <sarnold> that's why I'm asking :)
[23:13] <devslash> my other vms work fine
[23:13] <sarnold> quite often problems aren't on the guest but on the ohst
[23:13] <devslash> this is an ubuntu specific issue
[23:13] <sarnold> eg dead drive sectors, etc
[23:13] <devslash> no i dont see any evidence of that
[23:14] <sarnold> that's good for you :) but does mean I'm out of ideas, hehe
[23:17] <devslash> the iso is messed up
[23:24] <backthen> is the Ubuntu terminal for Windows similar to a standard install of Ubuntu?
[23:26] <sarnold> backthen: there's two different flavours of it as I understand it, WSL 1 and WSL 2 .. I don't know much about the differences, and this blog post is probably not a great overview of the differences, but it might give you some threads to pull on to find out the differences https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-and-wsl-1/15291/4
[23:27] <sarnold> backthen: I've heard that eg systemd and apparmor don't work in them, and a bug report I've seen suggests cron doesn't work either. but a lot of tihngs do work
[23:30] <backthen> sarnold: thanks. I'm curious from the development point of view. I don't know if WSL is a translation layer similar to Cygwin. If it is, how much slower is to develop/build in a WSL environment compared to real install of Ubuntu


[13:06] <cyphermox> doko: didrocks: jdstrand: MIR team meeting now?
[13:06] <cyphermox> there were two unclaimed MIRs, I took them
[13:07] <cyphermox> it's too bad cpaelzer doesn't seem to be around, he expressed concerns about the amount of work he was doing on MIRs, I think he wants help (not sure if it's mailman or something else, and I have to talk to him about it)
[13:07] <cyphermox> I don't know if there's anything else to be discussed?
[13:14] <doko> I think it's mailman, otoh I don't have a good overview what else is pending
[13:19] <ahasenack> cpaelzer's internet is down for the moment
[13:19] <ahasenack> s/for/at/
[13:20] <ahasenack> we have a kronosnet mir too
[13:20] <ahasenack> (sorry, I was just lurking here)
[13:20] <ahasenack> but it's with the secteam iiuc
[13:20] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811139
[13:26] <jdstrand> cyphermox: sorry at a conference this week
[13:28] <didrocks> cyphermox: sorry, was in another meeting
[13:47] <cyphermox> ack
[13:47] <cyphermox> well, all is well I guess


[22:46] <markwalt> Hi guys.  I note that there are about 30 members awaiting approval on launchpad.  Is new membership suspended?
[22:51] <valorie> ooo, I'd better look
[22:53] <markwalt> I might be reading the site wrong, but it looks like some of the pending members have been pending for four years.
[22:53] <valorie> that is probably right
[22:54] <valorie> since a few key people left, nobody has been minding the store
[22:54] <valorie> and I'm too busy to do it, but I might be able to approve members
[22:54] <valorie> I'll look
[22:55] <markwalt> Well, if you're taking volunteers, I'd volunteer to mind it.  I have time :-)
[22:58] <markwalt> back in a sec.  Gonna switch to a real IRC client.
[23:00] <valorie> ooo, tukwila
[23:00] <valorie> you are local!
[23:00] <Markwalt> Actually, I'm in Seattle :-)
[23:00] <valorie> we used to have enough people to do events
[23:00] <valorie> but I ran out of energy to organize all of them
[23:00] <valorie> I can GO
[23:00] <valorie> but I can't organize
[23:00] <Markwalt> Ah, I see.  That happens
[23:01] <Markwalt> I used to be the president of a hobbyist organization called Dragonflight, and I can relate.
[23:02] <Markwalt> It helps if there are people willing to step up and take over for when you inevitably burn out.
[23:03] <Markwalt> So... does this group...eh...do anything?
[23:04] <valorie> we used to
[23:04] <valorie> software freedom day, release parties, office hours.... or what do you call 'em
[23:04] <valorie> testing and bug squashing sessions
[23:05] <valorie> tables at oscon and lfnw
[23:05] <valorie> seagl
[23:05] <valorie> I did seagl last year with Scarlett from Portland
[23:05] <valorie> I'm a kubuntu person btw
[23:05] <valorie> nice to meet you Mark
[23:06] <Markwalt> Nice to meet you
[23:06] <Markwalt> I've never heard of SeaGL
[23:06] <Markwalt> I guess I'm new to the community, but not new to Linux. I'm running Xubuntu
[23:07] <valorie> very cool!
[23:07] <valorie> SeaGL has been going for 4 years I believe
[23:07] <valorie> I've been to two of them
[23:07] <Markwalt> Huh.  I just looked them up.  I might have to go.
[23:08] <Markwalt> I might actually volunteer to help them a bit.  I've got some experience running a convention.
[23:11] <Salt> hi Markwalt !
[23:12] <Salt> also have you heard of GSLUG?
[23:12] <Markwalt> Greetings
[23:12] <valorie> Salt my friend!
[23:12] <Salt> valorie, it was so fun to have installfests and day against drm
[23:12] <valorie> where are you?
[23:12] <Markwalt> Nope, never heard of it
[23:12] <Salt> valorie, FOSDEM
[23:12] <Salt> giving a talk tomorrow actually
[23:12] <valorie> nice!
[23:13] <valorie> all my friends are at fosdem....
[23:13] <Salt> yeah, I've seen a few of them! :P
[23:13] <valorie> I'll bet you have !
[23:13] <Salt> was so weird when talking to a volunteer and mentioned elcaset and they knew him
[23:13] <valorie> all my circles converge there
[23:13] <Salt> Markwalt, welcome to the area!
[23:14] <Markwalt> Thanks
[23:14] <valorie> linuxchix, kubuntu, ubuntu, kde, gsoc, and on and on
[23:14] <Salt> this group has a rocky past and complete lack of leadership atm
[23:14] <valorie> Salt: we are currently experiencing a weird glow in the sky
[23:14] <Salt> oh yeah?
[23:14] <valorie> any idea what that might be?
[23:14] <Salt> >_>
[23:14] <valorie> round, oh so bright.....
[23:14] <valorie> lol
[23:15] <Salt> nope, just streetlights
[23:15] <Markwalt> Where?  Over Seattle?  I'm in Greenwood and it's dreary.  :-(
[23:15] <Salt> and clouds
[23:15] <Salt> Markwalt, she's joking because I am in Brussels atm
[23:15] <Salt> been traveling since october
[23:15] <Markwalt> Ah, I see
[23:16] <Salt> anyway, GSLUG is the group I dumped my focus into and sometimes meets in the greenwood area
[23:16] <Salt> still keep this channel alive in the hopes that it revives :)
[23:16]  * valorie lives near Black Diamond
[23:16] <Salt> currently the ubuntu oregon and ubuntu vancouver are way more active
[23:16] <valorie> about an hour south from you, Markwalt
[23:17] <valorie> I see blue sky and sunshine
[23:17] <valorie> it was dreary and dark earlier, for sure
[23:18] <Salt> is linuxchix still going on?
[23:18] <valorie> indeed we do
[23:19] <Salt> cool
[23:19] <valorie> a couple of the fosdem organizers are linuxchix
[23:19] <valorie> rycuda and yady
[23:19] <Salt> I have really not learned names of anyone yet
[23:19] <Salt> was so tired today, went home early actually
[23:19] <valorie> f3ew from India is there as well
[23:20] <valorie> you're missing the neon rollout dinner
[23:20] <valorie> :-)
[23:21] <Salt> neon?
[23:21] <Salt> *guessing it is a kde thing*
[23:21] <Salt> :P
[23:22] <valorie> yes
[23:22] <valorie> http://jriddell.org/2016/01/29/kde-neon-launches-at-fosdem-this-weekend/
[23:22] <valorie> built on an ubuntu base
[23:24] <Markwalt> GLSUG looks interesting, I might have to go.  Have a commitment every Saturday eve. but if it meets close to me, I might be able to swing it.
[23:24] <Markwalt> GSLUG that is.
[23:28] <Markwalt> Nice to meet you guys, heading out for a while.  Got company coming over, and my place is a mess :-)
[23:30] <valorie> that was cool, and it's nice to hear from you Salt
[23:31] <Salt> :)
[23:32] <Salt> how are things there?
[23:32] <Salt> lifewise
[23:34] <valorie> well, my daddy is starting to forget how to swallow
[23:34] <valorie> so that's hard
[23:34] <valorie> life
[23:34] <valorie> and death, I guess
[23:34] <valorie> other than that, things are good
[23:34] <valorie> especially when the sun shines
[23:35] <Salt> your husband recovered from the hike?
[23:35] <valorie> yup
[23:35] <Salt> good good
[23:35] <valorie> although his feet still hurt at the end of the day
[23:35] <Salt> I'll bet
[23:35] <valorie> but he's no longer a walking skeleton
[23:35] <valorie> he's still really happy he did it
[23:36] <valorie> are you enjoying your journey?
[23:37] <Salt> so far so good
[23:37] <Salt> though I have a conference in SF at the end of the month, so going to come back stateside for a bit
[23:37] <Salt> ;)
[23:37] <valorie> I love that you're doing this
[23:37] <valorie> adventure is good


[19:20] <mup> Bug #1838091 opened: MaaS reports wrong OS upon release of a node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838091>
[19:23] <mup> Bug #1838091 changed: MaaS reports wrong OS upon release of a node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838091>
[19:29] <mup> Bug #1838091 opened: MaaS reports wrong OS upon release of a node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838091>
[19:32] <mup> Bug #1838091 changed: MaaS reports wrong OS upon release of a node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838091>
[19:38] <mup> Bug #1838091 opened: MaaS reports wrong OS upon release of a node <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838091>
[21:26] <mup> Bug #1837210 opened: power driver UI - IPMI - save settings disabled if field "power mac" is empty  <ipmi> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837210>
[21:26] <mup> Bug #1837903 opened: preseed uses region controller as http_proxy where rack controller proxy should be used <http> <preseed> <proxy> <rack> <region> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1837903>
[22:45] <mup> Bug #1838117 opened: feature: support "forward only" and "forward first" options <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1838117>


[00:04] <wxl> kc2bez: ok, let's do it
[00:05] <kc2bez> Cool, I am ready. I know @tsimonq2made a separate branch for his edits. How do you want me to do mine?
[00:06] <wxl> huh. i don't know that i think that's necessary. i guess it's up to lyorian, but i would think an `arc diff` would be sufficient
[00:07] <kc2bez> Ok, can always be reverted if necessary.
[00:07] <wxl> i mean at long as we have your changes, that's what matters
[00:08] <kc2bez> let me see if I do this right.
[00:12] <kc2bez> looks like I messed up my path on arc. Let me fix that.
[00:21] <kc2bez> :wxl looks like D35
[00:22] <wxl> @lyorian: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D35
[00:23] <wxl> @tsimonq2: does lyorian have access to arc land the manual?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: does lyorian have access to arc land the manual?], She should?
[00:24] <wxl> ok i guess we'll find out :)
[00:24] <wxl> lyorian: let's talk about merging changes people submit
[00:25] <wxl> @kc2bez: one thing i see to fix: "worksspace"
[00:25] <wxl> but looks like you did everything right
[00:26] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you got that fix done yet?
 Not yet
[00:27] <wxl> well get something submitted so i can at least make the changes myself and test it :(
[00:30] <kc2bez> :wxl I wasn't really done with 5.1 but arc seemed to add it. I only did a git add and commit on 5.3, or so I thought.
[00:31] <lyorian> well both seemed to be an improvement
[00:31] <wxl> you did both actually
[00:32] <lyorian> oh wow Phab has a cool interface for this.
[00:32] <wxl> yup
[00:33] <wxl> so you should basically be able to take a fresh git clone, arc patch D35, and then arc land, and it's in there
[00:33] <wxl> or you could just mark it as approved and tell me to do it XD
[00:39] <lyorian> wxl do we have a guide on how to install arc I don't think I have it installed here actually
[00:44] <kc2bez> :lyorian I followed the guide here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging-tutorial/  under the digging deeper section
[01:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0096d24adb66: Add .arconfig to repo so easier for arc to work.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0096d24adb66
[01:38] <wxl> is it fixed yet @tsimonq2 ? :)
 Dude shush
[01:38] <wxl> come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
 Dude, I have a life which involves recovering from this freaking sickness
 Well, that's basically my life right now XD
[01:40] <wxl> tell me what needs to be done and i'll do it
 I'm still playing with it
[01:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc2a623c95315: minor typo edits] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc2a623c95315
[01:54] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what if you installed grub-pc way early somewhere
[01:54] <wxl> or maybeput it after the bootloader?
[01:55] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Cosmic Final] has been updated (20181016)
[01:55] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Cosmic Final] has been updated (20181016)
[01:56] <wxl> ^^ wuzzat? world rebuild?
 Yupper
[01:56] <wxl> what for?
 Uhh dunno XD
[02:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL78ee4dafcded: Update progress.md some] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL78ee4dafcded
[02:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa829cf40a931: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://phab.lubuntu.me:2222/source/lubuntu-manual] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa829cf40a931
 wxl: I'm going to try no network EFI encrypted LVM
 If that combo works I know a workaround which will always work
[02:42] <wxl> oooh i didn't do any lvm yet
[02:42] <tsimonq2> er
[02:42] <tsimonq2> no
[02:42] <tsimonq2> I just mean the encrpytion
[02:42] <tsimonq2> *encryption
[02:42] <wxl> you're trying to say luks :)
[02:42] <tsimonq2> that
[02:43] <tsimonq2> *hello* :)
[02:43] <tsimonq2> First let me zsync the new ISO
[02:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: In the meantime, go test the bejesus out of the LVM stuff :)
[02:44] <wxl> yeah trying to track down a trojita bug first
[02:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7be9cad70818: Remove uneeded screenshot of gtk version of pcmanfm is still on LXDE branch if…] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7be9cad70818
[02:44] <tsimonq2> mkay
[02:50] <wxl> i love running gui apps in containers https://blog.simos.info/how-to-run-graphics-accelerated-gui-apps-in-lxd-containers-on-your-ubuntu-desktop/
[03:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: I HAVE A WORKAROUUUUUUND
[03:00] <tsimonq2> ouuuuuu
[03:00] <tsimonq2> Let me test it real quick XD
[03:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T106: theme GRUB] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T106#2198
 Boost.Python error in job "automirror". ... <class 'NameError'> ... name 'error' is not defined ... Traceback: ... File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/automirror/main.py", line 156, in run ...     country = getcountry() ...   File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/automirror/main.py", line 97, in getcountry .
[03:21] <wxl> oh no
[03:21] <tsimonq2> yup
[03:21] <tsimonq2> yessir
[03:21] <tsimonq2> YOU DIDN'T TEST IT
[03:21] <tsimonq2> XD
[03:21] <wxl> of course i did
[03:21] <wxl> quite a bit
[03:21] <tsimonq2> I'm just messing with you
[03:21] <tsimonq2> BUT
[03:21] <tsimonq2> yeah
[03:21] <wxl> and so did a bunch of other folks
[03:22] <wxl> including people outside of the US were are the most likely to run into the issue
[03:22] <tsimonq2> Wanna firefight that while I finish this up?
[03:23] <wxl> post up the session log
[03:24] <tsimonq2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rB2nGFCcHP/
[03:24] <wxl> there's a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/trojita/+bug/1797665
[03:25] <tsimonq2> Fun. /s
[03:33] <wxl> oh i see
[03:33] <wxl> should be `except {HTTP,URL}Error as error`
[03:36] <tsimonq2> k
[03:36] <wxl> the `as error` being the missing bit
[03:36] <wxl> so that's lines 93, 96, 111, 114 of the main.py
[03:37] <wxl> so how's that workaround doing?
[03:46] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ?
[03:48] <tsimonq2> oh sorry
[03:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah, it's coming along.
[03:48] <tsimonq2> It actually worked.
[03:49] <tsimonq2> I need to try it in one more context though, so gimme a few.
[03:49] <wxl> let's see it while we wait for the test
[03:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P3F4yKSCWp/
[03:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zv5cpmmY5p/
[03:52] <tsimonq2> tl;dr while we're installing these packages, just don't give apt the ability to grab from the archive, only the live pool
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Then automirror runs between this and packages, putting a complete sources.list in the image.
[03:52] <tsimonq2> And from there, packages does an apt update
[03:52] <tsimonq2> HOWEVER
[03:53] <tsimonq2> I need to make sure this all works on a no network system
[03:53] <wxl> ohhhhh
[03:55] <tsimonq2> yup
[03:55] <tsimonq2> It works.
[03:55] <wxl> i'm kind of surprised
[03:55] <wxl> looking at automirror i'd expect it to fail without network
[03:55] <wxl> oh nevermind
[03:55] <wxl> hasInternet
[03:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: protip when diagnosing these things; find out a given (what works) and what doesn't, and see if you can use what does work to fix what doesn't. I could quickly tell that this was going to work with networking disabled, so that's where this idea came from. :P
[03:56] <tsimonq2> yeah
[03:56] <tsimonq2> I axed networking in this live ISO and restarted the install
[03:57] <wxl> huh. i hadn't thought about that variable
[03:57] <tsimonq2> yup
[03:57] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:57] <tsimonq2> I mean, it makes sense.
[03:57] <wxl> sure now it does :)
[03:57] <tsimonq2> There's more than one way to stop a package from updating, and one of them is just throwing an axe threw any chance of it finding the new package. :P
[03:58] <wxl> anywho so you'll get that and the `as error` bits into a new calasettings?
[03:58] <tsimonq2> yeah, although I'd appreciate it if you JFD the calasettings bit now and pushed
[03:58] <tsimonq2> So I can base my changes on top.
[03:58] <tsimonq2> (save time)
[03:58] <tsimonq2> Because once I'm done with this I'm going to tackle SRU docs and patches for libreoffice and qtwebkit
[03:59] <wxl> on it
[04:00] <wxl> when do i set the tag btw?
[04:00] <tsimonq2> The Git tag?
[04:00] <wxl> yeah
[04:00] <tsimonq2> Only once a package upload is accepted.
[04:01] <wxl> l
[04:02] <tsimonq2> uh oh
 (Photo, 705x374) https://i.imgur.com/wNjfa9b.jpg
[04:03] <wxl> nope, didn't work
[04:04] <tsimonq2> uhm dude
[04:04] <tsimonq2> I blame this one on you
[04:04] <tsimonq2> Why is grubcfg AFTER the bootloader stuffs?
[04:04] <tsimonq2> er
[04:04] <tsimonq2> BEFORE
[04:04] <tsimonq2> :)
[04:04] <tsimonq2> Should be after
[04:04] <wxl> not sure about that
[04:04] <tsimonq2> bet
[04:05] <wxl> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/master/settings.conf#L108
[04:05] <wxl> pay up sucka
[04:05] <tsimonq2> nuh uh
[04:05] <tsimonq2> bet
[04:05] <wxl> uhh
[04:05] <tsimonq2> I bet that it'll work JUST FINE when I put it where I think it's gonna have to go
[04:06] <wxl> ok have fun with that
[04:06] <wxl> all it does is add a grub option
[04:07] <wxl> furthermore i doubt grubcfg actually runs grub-mkconfig
[04:07] <wxl> that's most likely the job of the bootloader
[04:07] <wxl> yup
[04:07] <wxl> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/743c19d8dd58bc7e7ee26b3fca769318d254d172/src/modules/bootloader/bootloader.conf#L30
[04:08] <wxl> and https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/743c19d8dd58bc7e7ee26b3fca769318d254d172/src/modules/bootloader/main.py#L308
[04:08] <wxl> sorry, nope
[04:08] <tsimonq2> You don't understand where I wanna put it though
[04:09] <tsimonq2> I want to put it after our before* context calls and before bootloader.
[04:09] <wxl> that's not unreasonable, but i doubt it will have any effect
[04:10] <tsimonq2> The ISO already comes with grub all set up and ready to go for the squashfs. My theory is after we do our copy EFI dance is when grubcfg needs to take place so bootloader can configure it all properly.
[04:10] <tsimonq2> I dunno dude, the install is running right now.
[04:10] <tsimonq2> If you have any other ideas, I'm all ears :)
[04:15] <tsimonq2> aaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[04:15] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah you're right
[04:15] <tsimonq2> wth
[04:18] <wxl> ok what conditions was that? encryption/efi/no network?
[04:18] <tsimonq2> encryption/efi/network
[04:18] <wxl> i guess we need to test all the other ones
[04:19] <wxl> but i'd start with the no network
[04:19] <wxl> or did you already do that?
[04:19] <tsimonq2> I didn't
[04:19] <tsimonq2> I want to fix this first
[04:19] <wxl> well remember, my discovery here is that everything works except encryption/efi
[04:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS3915c9a26fe0: Add missing identifiers for urllib exception handling.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS3915c9a26fe0
[04:20] <tsimonq2> I'm double-checking encryption/bios.
[04:21] <wxl>  /network
[04:21] <wxl> while you're doing that can you get me a diff that i could just apply over here and help you test some scenarios?
[04:22] <tsimonq2> Just overwrite before bootloader context with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P3F4yKSCWp/
[04:48] <wxl> efi/encryption/no-net fails
[04:48] <tsimonq2> yup
[05:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T22: Rewrite downloads page to encourage amd64 downloads] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T22#2200
[05:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2204
[05:13] <wxl> bios/encryption/no-net succeeds
[05:31] <wxl> encrytion/efi/network fails
[05:31] <wxl> so seems like no efi situation is any better :(
 I have another hunch
 Maybe crypttab is being set wrong
 But I'm going to test that nowish
[05:32] <wxl> fstab is supposedly taking care of that
[05:33] <wxl> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/master/src/modules/fstab/fstab.conf#L28
 That's not how this works
 It's supposed to do crypttab then fstab
 Both working together
 If one is screwed, so is the other. :P
[05:35] <wxl> there is no crypttab module
[05:35] <wxl> i'm referring to the fstab module
[05:35] <wxl> which, yes, does both
 Oh
[05:42] <wxl> if you `ls (hdX,gptY)/` in that GRUB shell you'll find that the non-EFI partition is an unkown filesystem
[05:42] <wxl> which makes me think the crypty stuff didn't get loaded
[05:42] <tsimonq2> Right.
[05:43] <tsimonq2> That would make sense.
[05:45] <wxl> efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg is like:
[05:46] <wxl> search.fs_uuid SOME-UUID root cryptouuid/SOMEUUID
[05:46] <wxl> set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub'
[05:46] <wxl> configfile $prefix/grub.cfg
[05:47] <wxl> sigh maybe you should just ask addam :(
[05:47] <tsimonq2> no
[05:47] <tsimonq2> I'm not giving up
[05:47] <tsimonq2> You don't either
[05:47] <tsimonq2> There's something we aren't seeing.
[05:49] <wxl> i'm just afraid we don't have enough time for that
[05:49] <tsimonq2> bad
[05:53] <wxl> oh and sadly you're wrong about kubuntu-driver-manager
[05:53] <wxl> that's a kcm module
[05:53] <tsimonq2> Then fix it.
[05:53] <wxl> i'm already on it, just letitng you know
[05:53] <tsimonq2> k
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rBLOG9764c6a6c50b: bug updates plus little changes] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rBLOG9764c6a6c50b
[05:58] <wxl> i got to sleep
[05:59] <tsimonq2> k nai
[05:59] <tsimonq2> I'm continuing.
[05:59] <wxl> appointment in the am so prolly no talk til l8r
[05:59] <tsimonq2> This has got to get solved.
[05:59] <tsimonq2> ok
[05:59] <wxl> i now
[05:59] <wxl> maybe step through a grub.cfg in that recovery console
[05:59] <wxl> unencrypted efi https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5f3pzkRB2b/
[05:59] <wxl> encrypted bios https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/whqXHFKBQY/
[06:00] <wxl> you can look at the efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg as aforementioned to find out the UUIDs you need
[06:01] <wxl> good luck
[06:01] <tsimonq2> thanks
[07:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] Climby (Michael Garrison) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#2205
 @wxl [<wxl> there's still work to be done if you're looking for something to do :)], ty... u guys have just today right?
 @bonacin91 [ty... u guys have just today right?], ~ 48 hours.
 @tsimonq2 [~ 48 hours.], gl
[14:29] <wxl> @tsimonq2: any luck?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: any luck?], I'll tell you when I do.
[14:49] <wxl> @tsimonq2: is climby's comment perhaps instructive?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: is climby's comment perhaps instructive?], No
[14:55] <wxl> @tsimonq2: the interesting thing about his log is that grub-pc— our problem on 64 bit— is getting removed and the issue is now with setting up grub-efi-ia32
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: the interesting thing about his log is that grub-pc— our proble …], Red herring
[19:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfcfd8a994135: Minor chapter 5 improvements and start Chapter 5.2.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfcfd8a994135
[20:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL265d8a9fe597: fix qterminal screenshot.] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL265d8a9fe597
[20:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so do you have everything you need to make this happen?
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: so do you have everything you need to make this happen?], Working on it.
 Getting my hands on real hardware to test.
[21:00] <wxl> ok cool :)
[21:00] <wxl> if you have a diff i'm happy to do some testing at least on virtual hardware for now
[23:57] <Wafficus> hey all, anything major to test today? I saw the convos between simon and wxl earlier
[23:57] <Wafficus> just making sure for the big Thursday release
[23:57] <tsimonq2> Not really :)
[23:57] <Wafficus> great, i'm glad everything's fine
[23:57] <Wafficus> daily image worked alright yesterday as well
[23:57] <Wafficus> just clicked into every program and tinkered for a small bit, nothing major
[23:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm at the point with this encryption thing that I'm going to plug my ears, yell "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU", and punt to release notes.
[23:58] <tsimonq2> The fix is soooooo trivial but it's way too late.
[23:58] <tsimonq2> This is something we should have looked at a month ago.
[23:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: SRU or what's the deal?
[23:59] <tsimonq2> wxl: Images are final, sooooo ... nada.


[10:17] <democrezy> I am new to ubuntu. It is very unstable on my PC.Unstable means When i do something like apply effect in compiz, system hangs ie no response when i change screen resolution it doesnot display properly.i have to restart pc . It hangs for some time in between firefox and today when i open downloads window, title bar of all windows became invisible .I had  install compiz about a month ago, at that time it was not running and yesterday i was abl
[10:17] <democrezy> e to run it. Can anyone tell why is this happening and how to cure it. I have core i3 2100 sandybridge, 4GB ram, Intel DH61 Motherboard, inbuilt Intel HD 2000 graphics and have allocated 2GB swap to ubuntu.
[10:19] <nigelb> You probably need to ask in #ubuntu.
[10:19] <nigelb> This channel is for classes only.
[10:21] <democrezy> okay


[03:10] <holstein> _DB: ubuntustudio comes with mostly what you would need for audio production out of the box
[03:10] <holstein> _DB: its all in the main repo, though.. all the software
[03:11] <holstein> _DB: i suggest, just installing what you need into the flavor you use
[03:13] <acerimmer> _DB, for example, ubuntustudio-audio       is the meta-pack of the default audio apps and can be added to any *buntu
[03:16] <_DB> well tbh Im looking for something that handles audio , sketching / texture (gimp is pretty bad) and screen recording
[03:16] <_DB> I like the filters photoshop has I havent seen to many programs that have filters quite as good as it
[03:16] <_DB> as for 3d modelling wings 3d runs on linux so i could get that on there
[03:16] <holstein> _DB: sure, but *all* distros "handle" audio
[03:17] <_DB> ahh cool cool
[03:17] <holstein> _DB: ubuntustuduio has JACK at the core of all the applications.. mostly *any* linux audio distro will but, its mostly overkill for most purposes
[03:17] <_DB> wasnt aware I used ubuntu 3 years ago werent many programs for it
[03:17] <holstein> _DB: if you dont need jack, then, in my opnion, you dont need ubuntustuduio or an audio specific distro
[03:17] <holstein> _DB: the repos are *filled* with programs
[03:18] <_DB> a friend recommended lmms lets make music
[03:18] <holstein> _DB: always have been.. now, there may be applications you want/need, that are not made for ubuntu, but, ubuntu is not preventing that from happening
[03:18] <holstein> _DB: lmms is great at what it does
[03:19] <_DB> yeah I saw some videos on it , its what im looking for
[03:19] <holstein> its in the repos..
[03:19] <holstein> and you dont need jack to use it
[03:19] <_DB> ahh cool! perfect
[03:19] <holstein> but, i still say, if all you want is lmms and gimp and some other video application, you dont need ubuntustudio
[03:19] <_DB> no doubt
[03:19] <holstein> i say that, because, its a small niche community
[03:20] <_DB> i hear ya
[03:20] <holstein> if you use, for example, main ubuntu, you have a *lot* community members for support
[03:20] <holstein> lots of them programming, etc..
[03:20] <holstein> here, its just a few of us using jack and ardour.. and its likely you dont even need a large DAW like ardour
[03:20] <holstein> and theres nothing wrong with that :)
[03:21] <holstein> _DB: are you currently using main ubuntu?
[03:21] <_DB> no I use windows right now, I bought this pc on christmas day
[03:21] <_DB> but its windows 8 which sucks
[03:22] <holstein> i would see if you can return it, and get a machine from someone like system76
[03:22] <holstein> someone that provides official support for the operating system you are tryihng to use
[03:22] <_DB> but I need something that can run unity & unreal as well as photoshop
[03:23] <_DB> ive heard I could do that which virtual machine but its a bit to much of a hassle
[03:23] <holstein> nothing about ubuntu is preventing any of that.. nothing about ubuntu or linux
[03:24] <_DB> yeah I hear that
[03:25] <holstein> im a big advocate of speaking honestly about linux.. lots of folks seem to try and sell it like its magic
[03:25] <holstein> linux works great.. as advertised.. but, so does windows, really.. i mean, win8 works as adveristed, and if you need it, you need it
[03:25] <holstein> i dont, so i dont use it
[03:25] <holstein> but, a team of experts were hired to make sure that your hardware there would run windows 8 well
[03:26] <holstein> you have a much different arrangement with ubuntu
[03:26] <holstein> where, you hare promised windows support, and may not be able to, or encouraged to put any other OS's on the hardware
[03:26] <_DB> well my pc is nothing special really 500 gb HD , dual core processor and 4 gb ram
[03:26] <holstein> that can make supporting ubuntu challenging
[03:27] <_DB> but I see what youre getting at installing ubuntu may not work out as planned
[03:27] <holstein> if i needed photoshop, i would want to run it natively, on a windows partition, and i would be planning to move to native linux alternatives
[03:27] <holstein> _DB: well, there is not even a plan ;) you see?
[03:27] <_DB> true
[03:28] <holstein> ubuntu is *great*, and works well.. but, there is litle it can do to force your hardware to support it, if it doesnt
[03:28] <holstein> and it may, right out of the box..
[03:28] <holstein> but, if you are used to using windows, and didnt install *any* os on the hardware, you have a much differnt experience you are about to take on
[03:29] <holstein> you literally took the machine out of the box and pushed the button and win8 was running.. *now*, you must install ubuntu, and set it up and provide driver support if needed
[03:29] <holstein> not a big deal in most cases.. and you can usually find out all you need from running a live iso
[03:30] <_DB> yeah ive installed ubuntu before and it worked right out of the box
[03:30] <_DB> but this time is different since unity only runs on windows
[03:30] <_DB> and I heard it runs extremely slow via virtual machine or wine
[03:30] <holstein> _DB: unity is the desktop for ubuntu
[03:30] <holstein> _DB: you dont need windows to run unity
[03:31] <_DB> what?
[03:31] <_DB> Unity the game development engine?
[03:31] <holstein> _DB: unity is also the main de for ubuntu
[03:31] <holstein> _DB: i dont know antyhing about the game IDE
[03:32] <holstein> _DB: again, nothing about ubuntu prevents unity from running on it
[12:03] <rene__> hoe werkt dit
[15:09] <it_> .
[16:05] <ole_> minecraft
[16:06] <ole_> /www.mincraft.com
[16:07] <ole_> http://ubuntuforums.org
[16:07] <cfhowlett> ole_, those belong in your BROWSER not irc
[16:10] <dany> hi
[17:46] <antoine__> CICERO87
[22:13] <futurus> Hi


[02:00] <zul> hey horms
[02:32] <jbailey> Ugh.  Anyone here know alsa well?  I'm curious of there will ever be software mixing as part of /dev/dsp.  Annoying to have sounds just work right on some machines and not on others.
[02:34] <zul> ask crimsun
[02:35] <jbailey> zul: Cool. Hopefully that'll trigger his nick highlight. =)
[02:42] <lamont> fabbione: do we have ipv6 -m state iptables yet?
[05:21] <zul> TheMuso: so you got the speakup patches working?
[05:29] <TheMuso> I got the patch applied to the kernel cleanly, but it won't build. This is bebecause speakup puts hooks in vt.c. However I don't think it is using the right variable to reference the current console.
[05:30] <TheMuso> If I knew what the variable for referencing the current console was, I could change it. I have noticed this change a few times in recent kernel versions thorough 2.6.9-2.6.12
[05:30] <zul> TheMuso: it probably isnt..console_map.h was removed between 2.6.11 and now so speakup stuff probably has to reflect that to get it to  work
[05:31] <TheMuso> I will have a look.
[05:34] <TheMuso> According to the source, console_map is not referenced. The latest version is able to be applied cleanly against 2.6.11 final.
[05:34] <zul> the cvs version?
[05:34] <TheMuso> Yes, and the 2.0 tarball.
[05:34] <TheMuso> CVS hasn't changed since that was released.
[05:35] <zul> meh...where did i see it
[05:36] <zul> cvs tar ball is refering to 2.6.11
[05:37] <TheMuso> Yes thats right.
[05:37] <zul> sorry..i meant console_macros
[05:37] <TheMuso> But much has changed in the kernel between then and 2.6.12rc4
[05:38] <zul> console_macros.h have been removed and now i belived its a struct
[05:39] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:39] <TheMuso> Have you got a copy of speakup there?
[05:39] <zul> so you have to check what is changed with console_macros with drivers/char/speakup
[05:39] <zul> yep
[05:40] <TheMuso> I don't really know what I am looking for.
[05:40] <zul> but im also going to bed soon
[05:40] <TheMuso> np.
[05:41] <TheMuso> The speakup hooks use the currcons variable to refer to the console that they are giving Speakup the data from. What should this be changed to?
[05:41] <zul> not sure yet..
[05:41] <zul> i only had a brief look at it
[05:41] <zul> currcons remains unchanged i think
[05:42] <TheMuso> Well the kernel wouldn't build if that was referred to in the Speakup hooks for vt.c
[05:42] <zul> i was going to look at it tomorrow :)
[05:42] <TheMuso> No problem.
[05:42] <TheMuso> I'll see what I can come up with in the meantime.
[05:42] <zul> sure..
[05:42] <zul> night
[05:43] <TheMuso> Later.
[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[06:25] <fabbione> thom: the patch looks good, there is only thing i need to check...
[06:40] <fabbione> lamont: no, not yet.
[06:40] <fabbione> lamont: that would be something i should so asap
[06:40] <fabbione> lamont: but the point is that we also need a brand new iptables package probably
[06:47] <fabbione> thom: ok.. the patch as it is can work.
[06:47] <fabbione> generally we need to pay more attention when pulling in drivers update
[06:47] <fabbione> the main issue are the PCI IDS that they claim to handle
[06:48] <fabbione> in this specific case your skge driver claims the same pci ids as the sk86ge driver
[06:48] <fabbione> so there are 2 ways to handle it
[06:48] <fabbione> either you deconfigure the old driver from being compiled
[06:48] <fabbione> or you maintain the new driver as patch on top of the old one
[06:48] <fabbione> either way it's fine by me.
[06:49] <fabbione> the cleanest is to disable the old one imho
[06:49] <fabbione> and make the new one live somewhere else
[06:49] <fabbione> also.. updating the changelog is a good idea :)
[06:49] <fabbione> i didn't check the configs, but these needs to be updated too
[07:07] <Lathiat> what version of ipw2200 is in the 2.6.12 in the archives?
[07:17] <fabbione> ipw2200            | 1.0.3                      | ok     | 12/04/2005   | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[07:17] <Lathiat> thanks fabbione
[07:40] <lamont> fabbione: btw, I dropped in the new hppa patches
[07:42] <fabbione> yup.. i saw that ...
[07:43] <fabbione> something is wrong with portmapper
[08:11] <fabbione> cvs checkout from linux-ipv6 is slow to death
[12:16] <thom> fabbione: yeah, i did the configs; i'll turn off sk98lin when i'm happy with it
[12:18] <fabbione> thom: the problem of having 2 drivers exporting the same PIC Ids, can confuse hotplug
[12:18] <fabbione> and the wrong driver being loaded
[12:18] <thom> nod
[12:21] <fabbione> food :)
[02:29] <thom> fabbione: well, skge seems to _work_ anyway
[02:30] <fabbione> thom: ok.. i think you have write access to lamont archive..
[02:30] <fabbione> go ahead and merge :)
[02:30] <fabbione> i will check it tomorrow
[02:31] <fabbione> just remember to disable the old driver
[02:31] <thom> yeah, i'm gonna do that now
[02:31] <thom> well, i'm gonna check the pci ids first, then disable it
[02:31] <fabbione> i already did
[02:31] <fabbione> (the pci ids)
[02:31] <fabbione> they conflicts
[02:32] <thom> ok
[03:35] <thom> fabbione: hrm, skge is doing the same thing as sk98lin; there's something wackier going on
[03:42] <zul> meh..
[03:46] <thom> May 11 14:37:53 localhost kernel: [ 4488.615253]  skge eth0: disabling interface
[03:47] <thom> May 11 14:37:53 localhost kernel: [ 4488.625044]  skge eth0: enabling interface
[03:47] <thom> often
[03:48] <dilinger> fabbione: have you got rc4 working?
[03:48] <zul> thom: do you have the linux *.92 stuff available i blew away my stuff by mistake and fabbione took it down from his webpage
[03:49] <thom> zul: it's in the archive, isn't it?
[03:49] <zul> nope not the *.orig *.dsc
[03:49] <thom> zul: it so is :-) http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/
[03:50] <zul> meh...so it is :)
[03:53] <TheMuso> zul: I haven't had much luck with speakup. I expect that once 2.6.12 comes out, Kirk the author of Speakup will make changes in CVS to work with that kernel version. Unless getting speakup sorted is a priority for you, I am not going to worry about it till 2.6.12, maybe longer.
[03:54] <zul> TheMuso: thats what i figured as well
[03:56] <TheMuso> zul: As it is however, I am going to continue examining the code as I want to add some enhancements for better multi-user environment interoperability, to hopefully interface with a userspace daemon I am currently planning to write.
[03:56] <zul> TheMuso: go ahead...you might want to work upstream with it though
[03:57] <TheMuso> zul: I was certainly thinking that. I have to work out how to add the enhancements though, sa the author doesn't take too kindly to helping people so much, in a few words he says "Figure it out yourself, and I am happy to accept patches."
[03:59] <zul> sounds familar :)
[04:00] <TheMuso> Does it ever. :)
[04:00] <TheMuso> Speakup doesn't work properly on PoewrPC either. I have debugged it, but can't work out a sollution yet either. I think I know what it is, but since it is to do with the hooks that are put into v.c, things are a bit hairy.
[04:01] <lamont> moo
[04:01] <TheMuso> s/v.c/vt.c/
[04:01] <zul> hey lamont
[04:01] <lamont> morning
[04:01] <zul> how goes it?
[04:02] <TheMuso> zul: Anyway, I am off for the night.
[04:02] <zul> TheMuso,: toodles
[04:03] <lamont> zul: well, I suppose.  No more 9-year-old.
[04:03] <lamont> is 10 now.
[04:03] <zul> oh that makes it sooo much better ;)
[04:16] <lamont> yeah.  something like that.
[04:16] <lamont> breakfast time
[04:39] <fabbione> re
[04:39] <fabbione> dilinger: it's in the archive...
[04:39] <fabbione> as <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:39] <fabbione> thom: are you sure it did load the right driver?
[05:47] <fabbione> lamont: is there something wrong with the buildd????
[05:47] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.12/<IP_ADDRESS>-1.1/
[05:47] <fabbione> has like 3 ppc builds?
[05:48] <fabbione> thom: are we 100% sure it is a driver problem?
[05:49] <fabbione> i remember the driver from sk to be much bigger than just 2 files...
[06:15] <fabbione> that cvs server is the slowest i have ever seen
[06:17] <fabbione> BREAKING NEWS
[06:17] <fabbione> The U.S. Capitol and White House are being evacuated. Details soon.
[06:17] <fabbione> cnn.com
[06:17] <fabbione> wtf is happening?
[06:21] <thom> fabbione: i'm not at all sure it's a driver problem
[06:21] <thom> fabbione: HUH?
[06:22] <thom> ah, all clear given now
[06:23] <zul> fabbione: some plane flew over the capital.
[06:23] <fabbione> zul: ahaha
[06:23] <thom> fabbione: and yes, definitely skge not sk98lin - i deleted the sk98 stuff manually
[06:24] <fabbione> thom: ok
[06:24] <fabbione> i wonder if it is something they did not update
[06:24] <fabbione> like mii-tools interface
[06:24] <thom> yeah, that was my thought
[06:24] <thom> i'm gonna dig through now
[06:24] <fabbione> thom: ok
[06:24] <thom> (i've been asleep - i feel like death currently)
[06:25] <fabbione> UdUFlu?
[06:25] <thom> probably, yeah
[06:25] <fabbione> yeah i have been sleeping a bit too
[06:25] <fabbione> this morning i was coughing blood
[06:25] <zul> lovely
[06:26] <zul> bravo in fact
[06:26] <thom> fabbione: ouch dude
[06:27] <fabbione> yeah that was lovely.... blood is tasty...
[06:28] <zul> try it with milk
[06:30] <zul> arrgh...need job...going crazy..
[06:32] <zul> fun...macauley culkin is on the stand today in the freako case today
[06:41] <zul> hey jeff
[06:41] <jbailey> Heya Chuck
[07:04] <fabbione> hey jb
[07:04] <fabbione> what's the status with l-k-h?
[07:44] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm planning an upload today.  I haven't looked at the sparc stuff yet (will do today), aside from that am fixing the C99 long long bug and the ppc binutils bug.
[07:46] <jbailey> fabbione: BTW, We started #ubuntu-toolchain yesterday.  Should I email you to get it logged?
[07:47] <fabbione> jbailey: i can do it right away
[07:47] <jbailey> That would be lovely.
[07:53] <dilinger> paul starzetz is awesome
[07:54] <dilinger> his advisories are non-embargoed, explained fully in proper english, provide POC, and are never boring
[07:54] <fabbione> dilinger:  i am still waiting the nice crack from pitti
[07:56] <dilinger> fabbione: it should be a simple fix
[07:57] <dilinger> if (len < 0) return EIO; or something similar (haven't looked at the source yet, just the advisory, so i'm not sure what the proper return should be)
[09:00] <dilinger> how nice
[09:00] <dilinger> that's in fill_psinfo()
[09:00] <dilinger> elf_core_dump calls that, but doesn't check the result
[09:05] <dilinger> fabbione: if you haven't already seen it
[09:05] <dilinger> http://mouth.voxel.net/~dilinger/core_dump_vul.patch
[09:06] <dilinger> and the rumor is, it's CAN-2005-1263
[09:14] <fabbione> dilinger: no i don't...
[09:15] <fabbione> mind to send it via email to me and pitti?
[09:23] <dilinger> done
[09:25] <fabbione> thanks
[10:00] <zul> fabbione: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7808 did you miss this one?


[01:24] <stokachu> roaksoax: i think i know whats wrong, maas relies on python-curtin
[01:24] <stokachu> but thats no where in the archive
[01:27] <stokachu> smoser, roaksoax: python-curtin only exists in saucy atm
[01:28] <stokachu> i believe thats why the archive is failing
[01:56] <AskUbuntu> region controller does not know whether any boot images have been imported | http://askubuntu.com/q/353426
[01:59] <Byro> hi
[01:59] <Byro> I'm stuck with maas configuration...
[01:59] <Byro> I posted a question on askubuntu
[01:59] <Byro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/353426/region-controller-does-not-know-whether-any-boot-images-have-been-imported
[01:59] <Byro> I'd really appreciate it if somebody could take a look
[02:01] <Byro> anybody around?
[02:18] <dpb1> hi Byro, I ran into something like this recently
[02:18] <dpb1> Byro: the script stalls there forever?
[02:18] <dpb1> how long did you wait?
[02:19] <dpb1> Byro: I hit this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1212434
[02:23] <jtv> dpb1: we landed a fix for that in the development codebase...  Which packages are you using?  Daily?
[02:23] <jtv> The script really can't stall forever, but the downloads can take a long time.  You can tweak the RELEASES and ARCHES settings to eliminate downloads you don't need.
[02:23] <dpb1> jtv: ya, I'm past the issue, I was just replying to Byro up there.
[02:24] <jtv> Ah OK
[02:24] <dpb1> Byro, see jtv's question ^
[02:24] <jtv> We're just in the process of re-doing those download scripts, especially the one for the commissioning images.
[02:25] <dpb1> jtv: ya, I was reading about that a couple days ago.  makes sense, given maas is useless if they don't work. :)
[02:28]  * jtv ponders people carrying USB sticks around
[02:28] <jtv> Yes, pretty much.  :)
[02:29] <jtv> Now, as far as the maas-import-pxe-files script is concerned, if you're running a reasonably recent version of the package, you could just run the latest upstream version.  No big changes.
[02:30] <jtv> But it calls the maas-import-ephemerals script, which is a wholly different beast and AFAIK will still break if downloads fail.
[02:35] <dpb1> jtv: ya, I had a bug about that oo
[02:35] <dpb1> too
[02:37] <jtv> I need to step out for some time...  But if it's something I can help with, please explain here and I'll get back to it!
[02:37] <jtv> (Or if appropriate of course, just file a Launchpad bug :)
[02:37] <dpb1> jtv: oh, it's the same bug I think.  in the comments. :)
[02:37] <dpb1> jtv: cheers. :)
[07:12] <gnuoy> hi, I have a newly created maas and I'm finding that commissioning is failing most of the time. when a node fails commissioning it never seems to come up on the network and the remote serial connection shows it loading initrd.img for ~1 minute and then reports it failed and prompts to press a key to continue to nothing else. I'd like pass console=ttyS1,38400 to the kernel which I'm hoping will give me more info
[07:12] <gnuoy> how would I go about doing that ?
[07:15] <rvba> Hi gnuoy, right now, you need some manually hackery to do that.  If you find maas' kernel_opts.py file, you could change compose_arch_opts() to return the parameter you want. (Don't forget to 'sudo service apache2 restart' for the modification to take effect.)
[07:15] <gnuoy> rvba, perfect, thank you
[07:15] <rvba> welcome
[07:38] <AskUbuntu> Build And Host my web application on my own private cloud | http://askubuntu.com/q/353508
[09:22] <gnuoy> fwiw turns out my issues was Bug#1155556
[09:42] <tych0> bug 1155556
[13:42] <rvba> roaksoax: Hi Andres.  I'm seeing something weird with the package that is in Saucy right now: when I install the package with other stuff, the installation breaks: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6192266/
[13:42] <rvba> roaksoax: any idea what might be wrong?
[14:27] <roaksoax> rvba: ill check in a bit
[14:27] <rvba> Thanks.
[15:18] <rvba> roaksoax: also, but it's really not urgent, I'd be happy if you could have a look at the power-related bugs recently filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bugs?field.tag=power
[15:24] <roaksoax> rvba: when did you experience the install issue?
[15:24] <rvba> roaksoax: just now
[15:24] <roaksoax> rvba: 3 of those appeared yesterday
[15:25] <roaksoax> rvba: two of which we cant do anything
[15:25] <roaksoax> rvba: and anotherone is on your side of things
[15:26] <roaksoax> rvba: bug #1234910
[15:26] <roaksoax> rvba: is something I had asked before
[15:26] <roaksoax> and i was told "you cannot update power parameters individually"
[15:26] <rvba> roaksoax: right, I need to look into that… would you mind adding comments on the others and maybe marking them invalid (if we can't do anything).
[15:27] <rvba> roaksoax: that's a bit bizarre, because we can update the power parameters individually; maybe I'm missing something here.
[15:29] <roaksoax> rvba: no, if i have pwoer_user and power_pass set, and then I update power_user to something else, power_pass resets to default, which is ''
[15:29] <roaksoax> rvso you pretty much have to update all the power parameters if you dont want them reset
[15:30] <rvba> roaksoax: I see; well, yes, they basically behave as one piece of information.
[15:30] <roaksoax> exatly
[15:30] <roaksoax> rvba: so if a user changes A on the webui
[15:30] <rvba> roaksoax: but the script manipulating the power parameters can workaround this.
[15:31] <roaksoax> rvba: and then goes to the CLI to change B
[15:31] <roaksoax> then A gets reset
[15:31] <roaksoax> and shouldn't be that way
[15:31] <roaksoax> the particular case here was
[15:31] <roaksoax> machine enlisted, authentication was changed by the user to LAN_@_0
[15:31] <roaksoax> and then on commissioning, since commissioning doesn't touch authentication method nor changes it
[15:31] <roaksoax> it gets reset
[15:32] <roaksoax> because commissioning only updates power_user, power_pass, power_address
[15:32] <roaksoax> hence the power_type (i think is the variable) gets reset
[15:32] <roaksoax> so the correct is to not reset other parameters when updating some
[15:33] <roaksoax> rvba: ok just did a clean maas install without any issues...
[15:34] <rvba> roaksoax: we have two fields: power_type and power_parameters.  They should be independent from one another.  I'll look into this.
[15:34] <rvba> roaksoax: did you install other packages with the same "apt-get install" command?
[15:34] <rvba> That's when the problem happens.
[15:35] <roaksoax> i'll re-try
[15:35] <rvba> roaksoax: try sudo apt-get install -y maas python-nose python-testtools juju python-zmq
[15:37] <rvba> roaksoax: also, I don't understand why installing maas installs maas-dns, it's supposed to be optional IIRC.
[15:38] <roaksoax> rvba: not anymore
[15:38] <roaksoax> rvba: maas-dns and maas-dhcp are now default
[15:38] <rvba> roaksoax: ah ok… I don't have a problem with that but I suspect this change caused the problem I'm seeing.
[15:39] <roaksoax> rvba: uhmmm maybe not cause I had my system and had been upgrading it without any issues
[15:39] <roaksoax> rvba: where were you installing maas from though?
[15:39] <roaksoax> in precise? saucy?
[15:39] <rvba> roaksoax: saucy
[15:39] <rvba> roaksoax: just the version in the archive
[15:43] <roaksoax> rvba: ok testing your command now
[15:43] <roaksoax> stokachu: ping
[15:45] <stokachu> roaksoax: pong
[15:46] <roaksoax> stokachu: so what was your issue installing from the cloud archive again?
[15:46] <roaksoax> rvba: ok, know what the issue is
[15:46] <roaksoax> rvba: maas-dns uses the 'maas' command
[15:46] <stokachu> roaksoax: python-curtin is required and it doesn't exist in the cloud-tools archive
[15:46] <smoser> stokachu, i'm fixing.
[15:46] <roaksoax> stokachu: k thanks
[15:47] <stokachu> smoser: cool thanks
[15:47] <smoser> python-curtin *is* availalbe
[15:47] <smoser> its (source=djorm-ext-pgarray ) python-djorm-ext-pgarray that was not
[15:47] <rvba> roaksoax: I'm wondering why the installation doesn't fail when one installs only maas.
[15:47] <smoser> i had failed to copy from -next to -staging.
[15:47] <smoser> just did that now,
[15:47] <stokachu> ah ok
[15:47] <smoser> and then i'll push through -propsed and -updates
[15:47] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah that's weird
[15:48] <roaksoax> rvba: but anyway, maas-dns cannot be a dependency of maas-region-controller
[15:49] <rvba> roaksoax: Right.
[15:50] <roaksoax> rvba: which causes an issue because there would be no way to install it automatically
[15:51] <roaksoax> and gets unseeded
[15:53] <roaksoax> rvba: btw.. i just noticed that maas-dns depends on maas-dhcp, that's not needed... is it?
[15:53] <rvba> roaksoax: I don't see why we would have such a dependency…
[15:54] <rvba> roaksoax: hum, hang on…
[15:54] <smoser> stokachu, if you want to just get past this...
[15:54] <smoser> grab the binary deb from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cloud-archive-private/+archive/cloud-tools-proposed/+packages
[15:54] <smoser> wait. wrong link
[15:54] <stokachu> smoser: yea thats what i did
[15:54] <smoser> ah. ok.
[15:54] <smoser> form -next is probably bettre.
[15:55] <rvba> roaksoax: if you want the dns stuff to work you have to let maas control the dhcp.  So the dependency actually makes sense.
[15:56] <smoser> stokachu, and thank you for being willing to be a guinea pig. tryin gthis really helps.
[15:56] <stokachu> smoser: not a problem at all :D
[15:57] <roaksoax> rvba: right, but that's why the cluster controller is the one that provides dhcp isn't it?
[15:57] <roaksoax> rvba: so in a multi environment maas, the dhcp server on the region (which is being installed by maas-dns)
[15:58] <roaksoax> does really work
[15:58] <roaksoax> and it is just installed for nothing
[15:58] <rvba> roaksoax: yeah, you're right.
[15:58] <roaksoax> rvba: i think i'd rather leave it as is
[15:59] <roaksoax> rvba: being so late in the cycle
[15:59] <roaksoax> we don't want to break anything
[15:59] <rvba> Sounds sensible.
[16:01] <roaksoax> rvba: i just uploaded maas_1.4+bzr1656+dfsg-0ubuntu2~ppa1 to ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental
[16:01] <roaksoax> rvba: so we can test the multi package install
[16:01] <roaksoax> and see if we experience the same issue
[16:02] <rvba> roaksoax: ok… well, the test will be easy.
[16:02] <roaksoax> indeed
[16:06] <rvba> roaksoax: arg, the package in the archive takes precedence… is there a trick to force your package to be installed?  I know how to specify that a particular version must be used for one package, but if it's more than one package, it becomes tedious.
[16:11] <roaksoax> rvba: that cant be
[16:11] <roaksoax> rvba: the one in ppa has higher version
[16:11] <roaksoax> it might have not been released yet
[16:12] <rvba> roaksoax: you're right, it's not published yet.
[16:12] <roaksoax> rvba: it is built but not released yet
[16:12] <roaksoax> yep
[16:21] <roaksoax> rvba: published now
[16:25] <roaksoax> rvba: so what script will replce import_ephemerals?
[16:25] <roaksoax> i mean what config file?
[16:25] <rvba> gnuoy: As I said on the bug, I found out the feature to add custom kernel params is already there.  Sorry for the confusion, I'm so used to hack things manually that I sometimes forget about the user-facing features ;)
[16:25] <rvba> roaksoax: the pserv config file.
[16:26] <roaksoax> rvba: hold on, the pserv config file will include the config for importing ephemeral images?
[16:26] <rvba> roaksoax: yes
[16:26] <roaksoax> why?
[16:26] <roaksoax> the ephemeral and import-pxe files
[16:26] <roaksoax> should have its own separate config
[16:26] <roaksoax> from the pserv service
[16:26] <rvba> why?
[16:26] <roaksoax> these are scripts
[16:26] <roaksoax> that should be possible to run
[16:26] <roaksoax> byt the user
[16:26] <roaksoax> itself
[16:26] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[16:27] <rvba> Having a common config is not a problem for that.
[16:28] <roaksoax> rvba: well, I see things differently but as long as maas-import-ephemerals is not a script limited to a maas daemon and the user *can* run it
[16:29] <roaksoax> then pserv.yaml could be used as a config source
[16:29] <rvba> That's the plan.
[16:29] <rvba> (Note that we're still working on it)
[16:29] <roaksoax> but given that it is a "external" script, it should have its own config
[16:30] <rvba> roaksoax: hum, it makes sense… I'll talk to jtv (who is doing this work) about it, see what he thinks.
[16:30] <rvba> roaksoax: your package installed correctly
[16:30] <rvba> roaksoax: I'm calling it a day.  See you next week.
[16:30] <roaksoax> rvba: so AFAIK, is it is place din pserv.yaml, in order for the script to actually catch the config, wouldn't we have to restart maas-pserv all the time too?
[16:30] <roaksoax> because AFAIK the config gets loaded on pserv, and maas-import-ephemerals would obtain the config from there
[16:30] <rvba> roaksoax: well, no.
[16:31] <roaksoax> so if we change the config, then we would need to restart pserv
[16:31] <roaksoax> rvba: alrigh! thanks for testing!
[16:31] <rvba> I don't think so, the script is still run "as a script".
[16:31] <rvba> But I'll check.
[16:31] <rvba> Like I said, this is still WIP.
[16:32] <roaksoax> rvba: ok! thanks!
[16:32] <roaksoax> let's catch up on monday then
[16:32] <rvba> Okay.
[16:37] <smoser> roaksoax, i agree that the user should be able to run theset things
[17:01] <smoser> stokachu, 'apt-get install maas' should work on proposed or updates now
[17:01] <smoser> (i just tested)
[17:12] <roaksoax> smoser: i did a new upload to archive that is sitting waiting for approval
[17:12] <roaksoax> it is just a packaging change though
[17:22] <smoser> rvba, roaksoax so does the import-ephemerals run regularly ?
[17:22] <smoser> it really needs to. same with import-pxe-files
[17:25] <roaksoax> smoser: it should
[17:25] <smoser> and can we boot saucy now ?
[17:26] <smoser> cause thats also moderately important :)
[17:34] <smoser> roaksoax, did you fix http://paste.ubuntu.com/6193171/
[17:34] <smoser> ?
[17:35] <smoser> is that what your upload fixed?
[17:44] <stokachu> smoser: ok ill test it now
[17:44] <stokachu> thanks for the quick response
[17:45] <roaksoax> let me see
[17:45] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah that's the one i fixed
[17:45] <smoser> stokachu, see above. it wont work :)
[17:45] <smoser> but a couple more poushes. and we might get ther.e
[17:46] <stokachu> ah lol ok cool
[17:46] <stokachu> ive got a few ansible playbooks setup so i can switch between saucy and precise
[17:59]  * roaksoax lunch
[18:26] <stokachu> smoser, roaksoax: also lxc in the cloud-tools archive wont work unless running the lts-raring hardware enablement kernel i believe
[18:26] <stokachu> not by default anyway unless there is a way to disable namespaces in lxc config
[18:26]  * stokachu hasn't checked
[18:26] <smoser> stokachu, what do you mean "work" ?
[18:27] <smoser> current lxc works fine on precise.
[18:27] <stokachu> lxc version 1.0?
[18:28] <stokachu> from a default install of lxc from cloud-tools archive it won't start a container
[18:28] <stokachu> spawns errors like 'get_cgroup" failed
[18:56] <ppetraki> hey, how do I grab the power_parameters for a given node from the CLI?
[18:57] <ppetraki> I'm trying to back up  a maas
[18:57] <ppetraki> also, https://code.launchpad.net/~peter-petrakis/maas/maas/+merge/189407
[18:58] <stokachu> ppetraki: maas-cli maas nodes -h
[18:58] <stokachu> should give you an idea of what you can pull from it
[18:59] <stokachu> ppetraki: http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/maascli.html#node
[19:01] <ppetraki> stokachu, yeah, tried that: maas-cli maas node  read node-eccf979e-2d23-11e3-9b02-525400052fb9 power_parameters_power_id
[19:01] <ppetraki> u'power_parameters_power_id' is not a name=value pair
[19:01] <stokachu> read only takes system_id
[19:04] <ppetraki> right, it doesn't return enough information: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6193532/
[19:04] <stokachu> what does power_parameters_power_id refer too
[19:04] <stokachu> the virsh stuff?
[19:04] <ppetraki> in this case it's for virsh
[19:05] <ppetraki> but I'm really targeting this towards ipmi
[19:05] <ppetraki> should still work though
[19:05] <stokachu> ppetraki: they dont show user/pass there either
[19:05] <stokachu> i wonder if the id is under the same umbrella
[19:05] <ppetraki> that would suck
[19:05] <stokachu> let me look at the source and see if there are any comments
[19:06] <ppetraki> we show it in plain text in the gui, the cli is authenticated, but I can't get the same level of data back
[19:06] <ppetraki> thanks
[19:06] <stokachu> ppetraki: yea could just be an oversight
[19:07] <stokachu> ppetraki: probably should file a bug to have the api expose that
[19:07] <ppetraki> stokachu, ok, will do
[19:07] <ppetraki> I'll try and hack my existing instances to expose those fields so I can back it all up
[19:31] <ppetraki> stokachu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1235421
[19:32] <stokachu> ppetraki: thanks
[19:58] <Nik_> Hi. I'm having an issue with maas tags trying to identify machines that have more than 4 disks.. not sure if anytone is available who can help?
[19:59] <Nik_> "definition": "count(//node[starts-with(@id,\"disk\") and @class=\"disk\"]) >= 4"
[19:59] <Nik_> xmlstarlet sel -T -t -v 'count(//node[starts-with(@id,"disk") and @class="disk"]) >= 4' /tmp/lshw.xml
[20:00] <Nik_> utput is "true"
[20:00] <Nik_> but node doesn't get tagged
[20:00] <Nik_> some do, but not that particular one
[21:24] <AskUbuntu> Maas out of sync with lshw | http://askubuntu.com/q/353814