[00:04] <BlackDiamonds> thanks a lot RAOF, I'll try it on my hardy machine
[00:28] <Spenser309> Hi everyone,  I'm having this error while trying to install ubuntu-xen-desktop: ubuntu-xen-desktop:  "Depends: linux-xen  but it is not installable"
[00:29] <Spenser309> linux-xen is not a package?
[00:32] <WorkingOnWise> anyone using google calendar in the latest evolution?
[00:42] <Spenser309> WorkingOnWise:  I just tried it after you mentioned it but could not get it to work
[00:43] <WorkingOnWise> Spenser309: how did u try it? I am not clear on how to add a google calendar.
[00:44] <WorkingOnWise> I have read about how to do it, but it was for 2.14 and 2.20
[00:44] <Spenser309> open evo, go to the calenders tab
[00:44] <Spenser309> WorkingOnWise: right click and select add calender
[00:45] <Spenser309> WorkingOnWise:  You will have the option for a google calender]
[00:45] <WorkingOnWise> so its the same then. did u get the private url from your account?
[00:45] <Spenser309> It doesnt appear to need it
[00:45] <Spenser309> It just asks for a username
[00:46] <WorkingOnWise> thats odd....
[00:47] <Spenser309> its not an ical import anymore
[00:47] <Spenser309> it least it appears
[00:47] <crimsun> heh, lennart just tagged PulseAudio 0.9.9.
[00:48] <Spenser309> nvm i just got it working
[00:48] <WorkingOnWise> me too....
[00:48] <Spenser309> nvm
[00:48] <Spenser309> sorry
[00:48] <Spenser309> thought i had it
[00:48] <WorkingOnWise> wow did they clean that up!
[00:48] <WorkingOnWise> u dont have it working?
[00:48] <Spenser309> im not sure any time i click the icon it reasks for my password
[00:49] <WorkingOnWise> did u check "Use SSL" where u put in your user name?
[00:50] <Spenser309> i tried that the first time
[00:50] <WorkingOnWise> I have all my gcal events in evo now...sweet
[00:50] <Spenser309> but this time it didnt work
[00:50] <WorkingOnWise> hmmm...
[00:50] <Spenser309> thats awesome man
[00:51] <Spenser309> i think it has to do with the fact that I have multiple calenders in google
[00:52] <WorkingOnWise> it may be. i only have one. do u have multiple in the same account?
[00:52] <Spenser309> yes
[00:53] <WorkingOnWise> try matching the name of the cal in evo to the name in gcal maybe?
[00:53] <WorkingOnWise> btw, it is 2 way now also...
[00:53] <Spenser309> ill give it a shot
[00:53] <WorkingOnWise> so I no longer miss Outlook! Weeeeeee
[00:54] <Spenser309> lol that caused a hard lock and crash of evolution
[00:54] <Spenser309> that def means im getting somewhere
[00:55] <WorkingOnWise> lol!!
[00:56] <siriusnova> Guys anyone here know anything about /srv vs /var/www for serving files via a httpd?
[00:56] <siriusnova> what's more "standard" and "appropriate"
[00:56] <Spenser309>  /var
[00:56] <Spenser309> truth is i dont think there is a standard
[00:56] <siriusnova> Spenser - but doesn't /var contain other kinds of data as well
[00:56] <Spenser309> but most people use /var
[00:56] <siriusnova> like tmp
[00:57] <Spenser309> yes
[00:57] <siriusnova> so why use var
[00:57] <siriusnova> instead of /srv ?
[00:57] <Spenser309> ok thats fine
[00:57] <WorkingOnWise> Spenser309: I just tried to make a new cal in the gcal web interface, and twice it errored with "Oops, we couldn't save changes, please try again in a few minutes" so there may be an issue at google causing your troubles.
[00:57] <siriusnova> lol i dunno im just asking
[00:57] <siriusnova> :X
[00:57] <Spenser309> lol
[00:57] <Spenser309> i know i just think that the question is more a matter of personal taste
[00:58] <WorkingOnWise> Isnt there a Linux Standards Base (LSB) for those types of issues?
[00:58] <siriusnova> i dunno it just feels wrong to put everything in /var/www when /srv would be more appropriate for serving files
[00:58] <siriusnova> considering how there is /var/log and /var/tmp etc..
[00:58] <siriusnova>  /var should be for changing or "variable files" no?
[00:59] <Spenser309>  well you can just put the cgi portion in /var and the static content in /srv
[00:59] <phoul> Anyone else notice nautilus is broken >.>
[00:59] <RAOF> You mean, Places->Network, for example?
[00:59] <phoul> I mean everything in general
[00:59] <phoul> :)
[01:00] <phoul> Nautilus isnt coming up for me, No icons on the desktop. If i try to copy an icon from the menu it tries to put it in "/", The actual file manager wont come up at all
[01:00] <phoul> lol
[01:00] <siriusnova> im reading the File System Standards and it says /srv for all served data
[01:00] <siriusnova> nothing about /var/www
[01:01] <siriusnova> so why does my httpd use /var/www by defaut
[01:01] <siriusnova> :X
[01:01] <WorkingOnWise> I thing /var/www is a "standard" by Apache maybe?
[01:01] <burner> cause everyone uses /var/www
[01:01] <siriusnova> weird
[01:01] <WorkingOnWise> and it works....
[01:02] <siriusnova> i guess so
[01:02] <siriusnova> :S
[01:02] <WorkingOnWise> thing...what a dork am I...think.....
[01:02] <burner> i'm all for change if it makes sense :)
[01:02] <siriusnova> well i think it does make sense
[01:02] <Spenser309> burner: look at gobolinux
[01:02] <burner> f the fedora and suse people if they complain that ubuntu is weird
[01:02] <siriusnova> i mean /var contains stuff like logs
[01:02] <siriusnova> and /var/tmp
[01:02] <WorkingOnWise> ubuntu is wierd....
[01:02] <siriusnova> does it make sense to put your html files in the same dir?
[01:03] <phoul> Yeah ubuntu really is weired lol
[01:03] <siriusnova> or instead use /srv :S
[01:03] <siriusnova> which makes sense as your system is "serving" files
[01:03] <Spenser309> nah ubuntu is debian with a cool name
[01:03] <phoul> Damn nautilus lol
[01:03] <phoul> Im sure it will be fixed soon enough though
[01:03]  * phoul shrugs
[01:04] <WorkingOnWise> Spenser309: I have many ppl tell me its wierd. they see my windows go up in flames as I close them....
[01:04] <Spenser309> WorkingOnWise:  lol well thats not default
[01:04] <phoul> it should be
[01:04] <phoul> >.>
[01:05] <Spenser309> I wish i could get compiz working again on my dualhead
[01:05] <phoul> I wish nautilus would stop being a biznitch
[01:05] <phoul> :P
[01:05] <Spenser309> phoul: did you run a sudo killall nautilus
[01:05] <phoul> Im going to bet though, An update will fix it today or tomorrow
[01:05] <WorkingOnWise> I wish I didn't have to install the Nvidia drivers every time i rebooted!
[01:06] <phoul> Spenser309, yeah, donno how much good it did lol
[01:06] <Spenser309> try starting nautilus in a term see what happens
[01:06] <phoul> after a killall it works, But if you try to move a file with it it freezes up again
[01:07] <Spenser309> phoul: do you think you should file a bug?
[01:07] <phoul> Like that
[01:07] <phoul> lol
[01:07] <Spenser309> lol
[01:08] <phoul> I think i will just... not mess with it, Nautilus isnt a big deal to me seeing as i manage my files via gnome-terminal anyways
[01:08] <phoul> it will come back when ever they fix it
[01:08] <phoul> lol
[01:08] <Spenser309> lol
[01:08] <phoul> Im sure its gotta be up there in priority
[01:09] <phoul> right next to the crab hats
[01:09] <phoul> This might be a good time to try out kde4 though...
[01:09] <siriusnova> I think Ubuntu should follow the standards and move /var/www to /srv
[01:09] <phoul> meh
[01:09] <siriusnova> it makes much more sense
[01:09] <siriusnova> instead of just blindly following debian
[01:09] <siriusnova> imho
[01:10] <phoul> siriusnova, ubuntu doesnt do anything normally
[01:10] <phoul> lol
[01:10] <siriusnova> :S
[01:10] <Spenser309> siriusnova: file a bug start a discussion on the mailinglists
[01:10] <siriusnova> Spenser309 - i shall
[01:10] <siriusnova> :)
[01:11]  * phoul sees that getting a great response..
[01:11] <phoul> lol
[01:12] <siriusnova> :(
[01:12] <siriusnova> lol
[01:12] <siriusnova> the guys in fedora say /var/www
[01:12] <Spenser309> lol
[01:12] <siriusnova> i dunno it just doesnt seem right
[01:12] <Spenser309> check out gobolinux
[01:12] <Spenser309> you will like there directory structure
[01:12] <siriusnova> gobolinux uses its own fs standards i know
[01:25] <siriusnova> say im compiling my own apps where should i install them to. /usr/bin ?
[01:25] <siriusnova> i mean what should be install root /usr ?
[01:32] <blkorpheus> siriusnova, you might want to catch up on some basic linux reading
[01:32] <blkorpheus> this is not the place
[01:33] <siriusnova> well i would except each distro has its own prefix
[01:33] <siriusnova> some do it in /usr, others do it in /opt
[01:33] <siriusnova> :S
[01:33] <siriusnova> i was just wondering what was appropriate for Ubuntu
[01:33] <siriusnova> some do it in /usr/local
[01:37] <blkorpheus> this is not the channel regardless
[01:38] <siriusnova> ok my apologies
[01:38] <blkorpheus> don't mention it
[02:36] <DanaG> ooH, PULSEAUDIO(aagh,caps!) 0.9.9?
[02:36] <DanaG> (sorry, I was mucking around with my screwed-up left CTRL key.)
[02:36] <DanaG> (And I must've accidentally bumped caps.)
[02:37] <RAOF> Heh.
[02:37] <RAOF> Anything particularly shiny in it?
[02:40] <Spenser309> I'm having a some trouble.  Both virtualbox-ose and ubuntu-xen-desktop cannot be installed in due to a lack of virtualbox-ose-modules and linux-xen packages.
[02:40] <Spenser309> How can I fix this?
[02:40] <RAOF> Tried kvm? :)
[02:40] <Spenser309> What front end can I use to control it?
[02:41] <Spenser309> virt-manager doesnt have the options i need
[02:41] <RAOF> Oh.  _Frontend_.  Ah...
[02:41] <Spenser309> I need to be able to have two nics.
[02:41] <RAOF> Oh.  Well, kvm does support that, but you'll need to check out man qemu to actually configure it.
[02:41] <blkorpheus> virtualbox
[02:42] <blkorpheus> running it fine
[02:42] <Spenser309> really?
[02:42] <RAOF> blkorpheus: Except for the packaged kernel modules, apparently :)
[02:42] <blkorpheus> you have to compile that
[02:42] <Spenser309> I'd love to build the modules but that requires the virtualbox-ose package doesn it
[02:43] <blkorpheus> /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[02:43] <blkorpheus> Spenser309, no
[02:43] <blkorpheus> just install the app
[02:43] <blkorpheus> done
[02:44] <blkorpheus> I only had to compile the module if I change kernels
[02:44] <Spenser309> the problem is that the kernel im running (2.6.24) doesnt have kernel modules prebuilt for it in hardy
[02:44] <blkorpheus> still using the old -3-server kernel
[02:44] <blkorpheus> course not, no worries
[02:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, by my using a question mark, I was implying, "New version?" as a question.
[02:45] <DanaG> Therefore, I don't know what's new.
[02:45] <RAOF> DanaG: Heh.  Right.  There is a new version, not yet in Hardy.
[02:45] <Spenser309> then how do create the kernel modules?
[02:45] <DanaG> One cooooool thing about VirtualBox: support for write-through to real hard disks.
[02:45] <blkorpheus> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[02:46] <blkorpheus> Spenser309, you don't, and if you need to, I gave you the string above
[02:47] <Spenser309> hmm,  so in order this is what I need to do in order to install virtualbox-ose.  install virtualbox-ose-source in synaptic, run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup.  install virtualbox-ose
[02:48] <Spenser309> btw: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup doesnt work: no such file
[02:49] <Spenser309> I cant install the virtualbox-ose because of a dependancy on  virtualbox-ose-modules
[02:49] <Spenser309> which does not exist
[02:49] <DanaG> 2008-01-24: PulseAudio 0.9.9 has been released. The only change from 0.9.8 is a fix for CVE-2008-0008. An upgrade is highly recommended.
[02:49] <ubotu> ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-0008)
[02:49] <DanaG> aah.
[02:53] <Spenser309> anyways i still have the problem
[02:55] <Spenser309> blkorpheus:  do you have an idea about how I can install the package virtualbox-ose despite the fact that its dependenvy's are not fully met?
[03:09] <wastrel> mmm fun i booted and didn't have nautilus today... i guess the package got removed in the last update?  i should read the thingy more carefully :]
[03:12] <JSharp> also, notice about the wacom driver issue
[03:13] <JSharp> the latest driver causes xorg to crash when enabled in the config when using the radeon open driver, but it seems to be fixed with the latest development release from the linux wacom driver project
[03:13] <JSharp> package needs updating by someone who's packaging foo exceeds my own
[03:14] <BlackDiamonds> JSharp, does it hve a maintainer ?
[03:14] <BlackDiamonds> otherwise file a bug and bother the motu guys
[03:15] <JSharp> I'm not sure, it got updated when the xorg 7.3 update 'completely' broke it
[03:15]  * JSharp checks
[03:23] <JSharp> BlackDiamonds, I'm a bit new to launchpad... how do I tell if a package has a maintainer?
[03:23] <BlackDiamonds> launchpad would not contain that information I think
[03:23] <BlackDiamonds> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[03:24] <JSharp> okay
[03:24] <BlackDiamonds> then find your pacakge
[03:24] <BlackDiamonds> scroll down to the changelog
[03:24] <BlackDiamonds> view that and find who has been making all the changes
[03:25] <JSharp> here? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/w/wacom-tools/wacom-tools_<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2/changelog
[03:25] <JSharp> looks like that's the source package change log
[03:26] <jjlwork> upgraded to Hardy and it broke my wireless using iwl3945, in restricted drivers manager shows enable but not available can anyone help?
[03:26] <BlackDiamonds> yeah
[03:26] <BlackDiamonds> looks like Timo Aaltonen is the maintainer
[03:27] <RAOF> jjlwork: You no longer need restricted drivers.  You *should* be able to use iwl3945, which is now in the mainline kernel, + the free firmware which is in linux-ubuntu-modules.
[03:27] <JSharp> okay, I'll drop them an e-mail. Or, what's the protocol?
[03:28] <BlackDiamonds> I would make a bug and then request them to look at it
[03:28] <RAOF> JSharp: The protocol is generally to go to www.launchpad.net and file a bug against the package :)
[03:28] <BlackDiamonds> RAOF, how does one ping another person via launchpad ?
[03:29] <RAOF> BlackDiamonds: One doesn't.  Why would you want to?
[03:29] <BlackDiamonds> can you assign them to the bug or subscribe them ?
[03:29] <BlackDiamonds> how else would they be aware of the bug ?
[03:29] <RAOF> BlackDiamonds: You *can*, but they are likely to kill you if you do :)
[03:29] <JSharp> RAOF, <G> okay
[03:29] <JSharp> heh
[03:29] <RAOF> If they're interested in that package, they may well have set themselves as a bug contact (I've done this for a couple of packages).
[03:30] <RAOF> Otherwise, there's a whole group of non-devs (ubuntu-bugsquad) whose job it is to check out bugs, confirm that they're in a state that it's worth bringing them to the attention of a dev, and then marking appropriately.
[03:30] <jjlwork> RAOF: it auto configured the only reason I upgraded was because hardy fixed my fn buttons. What can I do to configure it properly?
[03:31] <RAOF> jjlwork: Then it might be a bug.  Upgrading to hardy to *fix* things is a bad idea at this point. :)
[03:32] <blkorpheus> lol
[03:32] <blkorpheus> so true
[03:32] <blkorpheus> only minor breakage for me
[03:32] <blkorpheus> I want my damn weather applet back though:-P
[03:32] <RAOF> For example, we've just broken nautilus.  By design.
[03:32] <jjlwork> RAOF: I know that, lol, but I figure if the only issue I am having is my wireless *should* be able to do something to fix it
[03:33] <RAOF> jjlwork: Yeah.  The trick is working out why.  Basically, you'd want to pastebin things like your dmesg log.
[03:34] <RAOF> Ok, so it's not quite breaking nautilus by design.  But the current nautilus doesn't do everything the old nautilus did.
[03:34] <blkorpheus> I like runing develop version
[03:34] <blkorpheus> everyday is xmas
[03:35] <blkorpheus> alwasy new updates
[03:35] <blkorpheus> then if something breaks
[03:35] <blkorpheus> I have a new puzzle
[03:35] <blkorpheus> wheeeee
[03:35] <jjlwork> dmesg looks the same as it does in 7.10, I did notice a difference in iwconfig it lists it as wlan0_rename rather that eth1
[03:36] <RAOF> You were using iwl in 7.10?
[03:36] <RAOF> When it wasn't working very well, at least for me?
[03:36] <jjlwork> yes, working perfect in 7.1
[03:38] <phoul> Does anyone know how to burn a bootable iso that uses .ccd .img .sub
[03:38] <phoul> I dled a iso image and i need to burnz it for school but im not sure how to use this, THey are all for 1 image
[03:39] <r00723r0> Hey.
[03:39] <r00723r0> I'm having issues mounting my iPod.
[03:40] <RAOF> jjlwork: You probably weren't using the iwl drivers then :).  You were probably using the ipw3945 drivers from the restricted manager.
[03:41] <jjlwork> how can I tell
[03:41] <jjlwork> is there a command I can use that tells me what I was using?
[03:41] <RAOF> No, not really.
[03:42] <RAOF> What's the actual problem, again?
[03:42] <jjlwork> I am on the wirelss right now but I selected 2.6.22-14-generic when booting (I think that means I am using 7.10 now instead right?)
[03:42] <RAOF> o/` Is it wicked not to care? o/`
[03:42] <RAOF> jjlwork: No, that means you're using the 2.6.22-14-generic kernel.  Everything else will still be from Hardy.
[03:43] <r00723r0> Anyone know?
[03:43] <jjlwork> ahhh, well then it works with the older kernel but not with the new one
[03:43] <jjlwork> does that help narrow it down?
[03:44] <RAOF> jjlwork: Not really.  Do you have linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-4-generic installed?
[03:50] <DanaG> "Unable to mount the volume 'Hitachi'.
[03:50] <DanaG> Mount point /media/HFS+ does not exist.
[03:50] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:51] <DanaG> For one, it's not the right place to mount it; for another, it should CREATE the mount point!
[03:53] <jjlwork> is there a command that I can type that tells me if I have  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-4-generic installed?
[03:54] <JSharp> okay, I reported that bug <G> so hopefully it'll get fixed before release <G>
[03:56] <RAOF> jjlwork: "aptitude show linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-4-generic" should work.
[03:58] <jjlwork> thanks, yes it is installed (I will add that command to my repetoire:)
[03:58] <RAOF> Ok.
[03:58] <RAOF> So, again, what is the actual problem?
[03:59] <jjlwork> When I use the new kernel I can't get wirelss to work, it looks like it is working fine, but can't detect or join any networks
[04:00] <RAOF> ie: what part of the wireless stack fails to work - wlan0_rename isn't created?  doesn't show up in network manager?
[04:00] <jjlwork> it shows in network manage and wlan0_rename is created and looks fine in dmesg
[04:00] <RAOF> Ok.  It just doesn't see any networks?
[04:00] <jjlwork> it just doesn't *do* anything
[04:00] <jjlwork> yes
[04:01] <jjlwork> and I can't manually tell it to join them either
[04:01] <RAOF> Ok.
[04:01] <RAOF> Well, I'd suggest just filing a bug.
[04:02] <jjlwork> thanks, did that already, I'll wait and see then :)
[04:02] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[04:04] <jjlwork> any suggestions on what to put in the bug report to help the dev team make sense of what I am trying to tell them?
[04:04] <jjlwork> all I put was that it wan't working lol
[04:05] <RAOF> Well, dmesg logs are good.  The versions of everything.  *Precisely* what you've tried.
[04:06] <jjlwork> by versions of everyhting do you mean pasting the results of apt-show-versions
[04:07] <RAOF> I'm not sure what that output would be, I've never used it.
[04:07] <RAOF> What I meant was the version of everything vaguely related: the linux-image package, linux-ubuntu-modules, network manager, nm-applet, etc.
[04:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, to fix the wlan0_rename naming, look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[04:11] <wastrel> heh wlan0_rename i kindof like it
[04:53] <r00723r0> I'm having issues mounting my iPod. Anyone know how to fix this?
[04:56] <RAOF> !doesntwork | r00723r0
[04:56] <ubotu> r00723r0: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:56] <r00723r0> RAOF, it isn't mounting, period.
[04:56] <RAOF> When you...?
[04:56] <r00723r0> My iPod just has the charging thing on it.
[04:56] <r00723r0> When I do anything.
[04:57] <RAOF> Such as?
[04:57] <r00723r0> Try to mount it, reboot, sudo everything previously mentioned.
[04:57] <RAOF> And by "try to mount", you presumably mean running "mount <someopts>" from a terminal?
[04:58] <RAOF> So, things to do: post *exactly* what you try (this probably means pasting in the command line you're using).
[04:59] <RAOF> And what happens: since it's not getting mounted, there'll be some error messages.  What is the terminal output, and what gets added to dmesg (pastebin these).
[06:53] <alteregolio> dr. emmet brown, are you there?
[06:54]  * Sebastian .oO( The question is not where, the question is when. )
[07:23] <alteregolio> how can weed speed up ext3?
[10:56] <clusty> i installed the CUDA drivers to try them out and stuff stopped working
[10:56] <clusty> how can I reinstall the old ones?
[10:57] <clusty> tried getting the old ones but now i have no GLX
[11:21] <slytherin> Is anyone willing to test a fix for nautilus-open-terminal? I don't have access to a hardy system at present
[11:29] <mrtimdog> slytherin: Hi, can do, is it in the repos?
[11:55] <slytherin> mrtimdog: Sorry, I was away. It is not yet in repos. I am trying to fix bug 185435 I want to verify the fix before I submit the patch/debdiff
[11:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185435 in nautilus-open-terminal "nautilus-open-terminal no longer works in Hardy" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185435
[11:56] <mrtimdog> slytherin: Ok, how can I help?
[11:57] <mrtimdog> slytherin: Do you have a deb?
[11:57] <slytherin> mrtimdog: I will upload the package somewhere or probably attach it to bug. install it, restart nautilus test that you can see 'Open Terminal' context menu and there are no side effects.
[11:57] <slytherin> mrtimdog: I have i386 deb
[11:57] <mrtimdog> :)
[11:57] <slytherin> mrtimdog: Is that fine?
[11:57] <mrtimdog> Yes, that's good.
[11:58] <slytherin> five minutes and I will install it.
[11:58] <slytherin> oops, upload it somewhere
[11:59] <slytherin> mrtimdog: http://onkarshinde.googlepages.com/nautilus-open-terminal_0.8-1ubuntu2_.deb
[12:03] <mrtimdog> slytherin: Looks good :)
[12:03] <slytherin> mrtimdog: does it work? any crashes etc?
[12:04] <slytherin> mrtimdog: You should see 'Open terminal' in context menu in any directory.
[12:04] <mrtimdog> Yeah, it works. It's not crashed and the install went without any problems.
[12:04] <slytherin> mrtimdog: Thanks for testing. I better attach the debdiff to the bug.
[12:05] <alteregolio> libeel2-2
[12:05] <mrtimdog> slytherin: I had to reset my preferred terminal emu to the default for it.
[12:06] <slytherin> mrtimdog: That is fine. I think it is works with gnome-terminal
[12:06] <mrtimdog> slytherin: I was using a custom one which uses a login shell so ignores the current dir.
[12:06] <mrtimdog> slytherin: No probs.
[13:12] <napster^> How Can I installs NFS or Samba either if I don't have those in my PC.
[13:14] <Pici> napster^: What do you mean?
[13:18] <npstr> Pici: how to share file betwen two ubuntu system in a LAN?
[13:19] <Pici> !nfs | npstr
[13:19] <ubotu> npstr: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[13:19] <Pici> npstr: fyi, this channel is only for Hardy support, if you're using anything else, please ask in #ubuntu in the future.
[13:20] <npstr> my problem is, I don't have it in my pc.
[13:20] <npstr> Yes, I will Pici.
[13:20] <Pici> Dont have what?
[13:20] <slytherin> npster: Install NFS.
[13:21] <npstr> I just ask, coz my professor wants me to LAN these 50+ xitrix mini-frame computers.
[13:22] <npstr> All he know is WinXp.
[13:22] <npstr> Sorry, got DC btw.
[13:37] <slytherin> is anyone facing this problem that text files without extension don't open with double click?
[13:40] <alteregolio> yeah because it has no extension
[13:40] <jjlwork> I can't get iwl3945 to work, filed bug report but wondering if there is anything I can do in the meantime
[13:40] <jjlwork> [ 74.877752] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[13:40] <jjlwork> [ 74.878127] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0_rename: link is not ready
[13:40] <jjlwork> [ 75.021625] iwl3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008.
[13:40] <jjlwork> [ 75.021636] iwl3945: Error Reply type 0x00000005 cmd REPLY_SCAN_CMD (0x80) seq 0x4413 ser 0x0000004B
[13:40] <jjlwork> [ 76.030284] iwl3945: Can't stop Rx DMA.
[13:40] <mrtimdog> slytherin: I'd guess it's something to do with the nautilus work going on, they're working on it as far as I know.
[13:40] <cavediver> Hi guys. I have noticed a change in Nautilus from 7.10 and that is if i type ssh://server in Hary it mounts as SFTP but in 7.10 it just browses the file system with sshfs (i think) The point is, SFTP seems much slower. Transfer of my 10GB backup takes 23 hours insted of 4 with 7.10. Anyone know if I can revert to sshfs in nauilus ?
[13:40] <slytherin> mrtimdog: hm, I will wait for few days
[13:40] <alteregolio> i use gnome commander as shell
[13:41] <slytherin> cavediver: As of now, looks like nautilus is going through an overhaul. So many things may not work as expected.
[13:41] <cavediver> i see
[13:42] <slytherin> alteregolio: file opening was never dependent on extension in *nix world
[13:43] <alteregolio> i apoliogize it,
[13:43] <alteregolio> mr. van driessen
[13:46] <slytherin> alteregolio: No one asked you to apologize. The reason I asked the question was because it was an unexpected behaviour after upgrading from gutsy.
[13:48] <scizzo-> slytherin: from gutsy to hardy?
[13:49] <alteregolio> something is messed up with atl1
[13:49] <slytherin> scizzo-: yes. looks like after effect of nautilus/gio work
[13:50] <scizzo-> what is the filetype on the file then?
[13:51] <slytherin> scizzo-: without extension it reports application/octet-stream
[13:51] <slytherin> scizzo-: s/it/nautilus
[13:52] <scizzo-> slytherin: and if you ask it with file command?
[13:52] <slytherin> scizzo-: text/plain
[13:52] <scizzo-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs2/+bug/15246
[13:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 15246 in gnome-vfs "Wrong MIME type por ISO-8859 text" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[13:53] <scizzo-> its gnome-vfs2 that is creating that issue
[13:54] <slytherin> scizzo-: I don't think it is same bug. I upgraded to hardy in last week. It was working fine till yesterday when I upgraded nautilus.
[13:54] <Oli``> Anyone had issues using 2.6.24-4-generic + the restricted nvidia driver since this morning's update? I can only use -386 now =\
[13:54] <slytherin> scizzo-: But I will still try to confirm if it is same
[13:55] <scizzo-> slytherin: still it is the same sort of effect
[13:56] <slytherin> scizzo-: May be it is, may be it is not. :-)
[14:13] <alteregolio> i weed a problem
[14:13] <alteregolio> how can i change the linux charset in terminal?
[14:14] <alteregolio> in nautilus or other xbased apps extended ascii looks ok, but in terminal it looks weirdistic
[14:25] <sakhi> Hi all, can someone assist me with the Theme of Ubuntu. I need the OS (ubuntu) to display a name/logo on start-up.
[14:28] <sakhi> ok, wrong channel.
[15:24] <bazhang> !usplash
[15:24] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[15:39] <wastrel> feisty
[15:44] <coz_> hey guys
[15:44] <coz_> where are submissions place for hardy sounds
[15:44] <coz_> startup logoff and logon
[15:51] <slytherin> coz_: Submission? You mean you want new sounds?
[15:51] <coz_> slytherin, no have created sounds for hardy startup logogg and logon
[15:51] <coz_> logoff
[15:52] <slytherin> coz_: So you want to submit them for inclusion?
[15:52] <coz_> slytherin, yes
[15:52] <slytherin> coz_: Try sending a mail on ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list
[15:53] <coz_> slytherin, ok i will try that thanks:)
[15:54] <coz_> slytherin, thanks just joined the mailing list
[15:54] <Hobbsee> or ubuntu artwork ML
[15:54] <Hobbsee> as that's the one who does the music and other art
[15:54] <coz_> Hobbsee, well I am on th eubuntu artwork team  and I didnt know that
[15:54] <coz_> Hobbsee, so let me check with troys thanks
[17:12] <tumbleweed__> hardy heroin, eh? I knew you guys were up to no good!
[17:42] <wamty> how to reset lost root password, the best way?
[17:44] <Pici> wamty: If this isnt a Hardy question you should be asking in #ubuntu.
[18:22] <wastrel> i have hardy
[18:23] <ikonia> thats greawt
[18:23] <ikonia> great
[18:34] <wastrel> gweat
[19:53] <mrtimdog> Quick Q.. What's the default root shell? /bin/sh, /bin/dash, or /bin/bash?
[20:09] <sarthor> Hi, i am using hard, i m new but i have upgraded to hard, it was my mistake, my laptop boots very slow. and also take a lot of time for loading gui. any help> i will answer if any info needed
[20:12] <Pici> sarthor: Hardy?
[20:14] <sarthor> Pici> 	Ubuntu hardy 8.04
[20:15] <blkorpheus> from your comment , there is no telling what could be the issue
[20:15] <blkorpheus> you will either need to drill down what else could be wrong
[20:15] <blkorpheus> or reinstall 7.10, and don't upgrade again until you know what you are doing
[20:16] <blkorpheus> some ppl do not have what it takes to run development software
[20:16] <sarthor> blkorpheus> there was cd drive in my laptop. but not now. its out of order now.
[20:16] <blkorpheus> again "out of order" says nothing really
[20:17] <blkorpheus> specifics are needed
[20:17] <Pici> !doesntwork
[20:17] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[20:17] <blkorpheus> nice
[20:17] <sarthor> Strange. Its not my maternal language.
[20:20] <blkorpheus> my bad
[20:20] <scizzo-> sarthor: to put it simple.....if you are not custome to error search or to look for problems before asking it is not a good idea to upgrade to Hardy
[20:20] <sarthor> Dear, if some one dont want to help, so he can stay silent. i think its better, Can you speek pashto/urdu/punjabi, because you dont know this languge, So any style of you asking in these language will be apriciatted
[20:20] <blkorpheus> basically
[20:20] <blkorpheus> wow
[20:21] <sarthor> scizzo-> I am new, i saw there that update is available..and i clicked.
[20:21] <sarthor> that was my worst mistake
[20:21] <blkorpheus> sarthor, reinstall Gutsy, and be done with it
[20:21] <blkorpheus> eom
[20:22] <sarthor> blkorpheus> I am here because there is no CD/DVD Drive with me
[20:22] <blkorpheus> sarthor, reinstall Gutsy, and be done with it
[20:23] <sarthor> blkorpheus> OK. thanks for you help my friend
[20:23] <blkorpheus> you are welcome
[20:23] <blkorpheus> sorry about the language barrier
[20:23] <blkorpheus> good luck
[20:24] <afflux> anyway, I'm experiencing the same slowdown
[20:24] <sarthor> blkorpheus> no problem. i can understand that i am unable to explain my self, but i cam compell to do so.
[20:24] <afflux> I can't really tell what's the cause, but I think its the kernel as it's been faster with 2.6.22-14
[20:24] <afflux> but you get used to it ;)
[20:24] <blkorpheus> sarthor, you get an "A" for effort
[20:24] <blkorpheus> you should not have to get used to a "slowdown"
[20:25] <blkorpheus> a friend of mine wanted to go Hardy
[20:25] <blkorpheus> he is a first time linux user
[20:25] <sarthor> "A"?
[20:25] <blkorpheus> I avised against it
[20:25] <afflux> sarthor: a good grad
[20:25] <blkorpheus> he upgraded anyway
[20:25] <afflux> *grade
[20:25] <sarthor> Oh..
[20:25] <sarthor> Got now.
[20:25] <blkorpheus> his system slowed
[20:25] <blkorpheus> for two reason
[20:26] <blkorpheus> Firefox bug with his intergrated graphics Intel
[20:26] <Assid> heya
[20:26] <blkorpheus> and that damn Tracker
[20:26] <blkorpheus> i unstalled that tracker garbage as soon as I upgraded
[20:26] <sarthor> natilous ....or somthing this name hav also bug.
[20:26] <sarthor> in hardy
[20:26] <blkorpheus> all it did was hog resources
[20:26] <afflux> yes, i noticed that some time ago
[20:26] <afflux> but I think that's okay now
[20:27] <blkorpheus> WHY would they put tracker in by default escapes me
[20:27] <afflux> as I said, 2.6.22-14 went fine... and I don't want to report a bug like "system is slow, i have no idea!" against ubuntu ;)
[20:27] <blkorpheus> well I guess after its done cataloguing the whole machine it will stop
[20:27] <blkorpheus> but I have 300GB
[20:27] <sarthor> blkorpheus> Yes. you point right think. What this traker do? why it is?
[20:27] <blkorpheus> it seemed to never stop hogging
[20:27] <blkorpheus> sarthor, remove it
[20:27] <Assid> hey
[20:28] <sarthor> blkorpheus> how??
[20:28] <blkorpheus> but if there is something you are unaware o, READ about it first
[20:28] <sarthor> apt-get -y remove traker?
[20:28] <Assid> anyone know if the brightness bugs for laptops has been fixed yet?
[20:28] <blkorpheus> sarthor, read the topic one more time
[20:28] <blkorpheus> this is not theplace to ask how to install and remove software
[20:29] <blkorpheus> if that is an issue for you, this is the last place you should be
[20:29] <sarthor> blkorpheus> TOPIC, i just saw , Same to my problem. i think now in real. "I am the Orignal Fool"
[20:29] <blkorpheus> not to sound crass, but those guys wrote the topic for a reason
[20:29] <blkorpheus> sarthor, all of that "went over my head" :/
[20:30] <sarthor> blkorpheus> No Dear. you people help here a lot. i admitt it.
[20:30] <blkorpheus> I try
[20:33] <iyigun> hej, i have hardy, i installed updates yesterday, and i noticed that samba was removed
[20:33] <iyigun> i installed samba, my shares are working now
[20:34] <iyigun> but i have following error when I press Places -> Network: "Nautilus cannot handle network: locations."
[20:37] <frej> iyigun: part of gnome-vfs->gio transition.. not really related to samba
[20:37] <N1c> Anyone know where i can get the hardy .debs ?
[20:38] <blkorpheus> N1c, what?!?
[20:38] <Assid> hrmm hardy is acting way too strange
[20:38] <Assid> okay quick question
[20:39] <N1c> i meant , i want to have access too alll Hardy Heron pkgs (.DEBS) like Mesa 7.0.2 .deb
[20:39] <Assid> i know hardy is like bleeding edge and everything..
[20:39] <DanaG> Gack, I had to sysrq-k Xorg because something broke my keyboard.
[20:39] <Assid> but doesnt it feel strange that we have things breaking when we already have PREVIOUS versions that are proper
[20:39] <DanaG> It kept spamming left-arrow, and the ctrl key didn't work.
[20:39] <Assid> why not use older base.. and use newer versions of the softwares
[20:40] <blkorpheus> N1c, would'nt the packages be where they always are?
[20:40] <N1c> ammm , where?!
[20:40] <N1c> in my cd?!
[20:41] <scizzo-> N1c: how long have you been using .debs and ubuntu?
[20:41] <N1c> ubuntu since it was released (when i had my 100 free cd's)
[20:41] <N1c> Debian , tried it a little bit before ubuntu (and i hate IT)
[20:41] <Assid> does anyone read what i write?
[20:41] <N1c> assid no one can see you
[20:42] <N1c> please stop writting in white as our background is white too :P
[20:42] <Assid> stop writing in white?!?!?
[20:42] <N1c> Just a joke
[20:42] <N1c> Assid , anyone I see that hardy is build onto Gutsy or i am wrong?
[20:42] <scizzo-> N1c: so what about changing in the available packages to use "All Available applications" in the Add/Remove Applications?
[20:42] <N1c> i guess thats answer your question
[20:43] <N1c> Scizzo ,  i can't , i formated Hardy and i am now using Gutsy LiveCD
[20:43] <blkorpheus> N1c, you shoudl read the topic
[20:43] <N1c> but , i will try some Hardy pkgs on Gutsy
[20:44] <N1c> and What?! , the guys over #Ubuntu sends me to here
[20:44] <N1c> I just want to know where i can get Hardy .debs
[20:44] <blkorpheus>  If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependancies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY
[20:44] <blkorpheus> If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?"
[20:44] <blkorpheus>  DO NOT RUN HARDY
[20:44] <N1c> BLKOR , i allrready found the answer for your questions in the hard way ;-)
[20:44] <blkorpheus> plonk
[20:45] <N1c> Upgrading from Gutsy TOO Hardy (Got my alots of problems with gnome)
[20:45] <DrPHP> err
[20:45] <DrPHP> got cut
[20:45] <N1c> Downloading Hardy on LiVECD get me anther problem (ram) then cd then etc...
[20:45] <DrPHP> what problems ?
[20:45] <N1c> after that WOW hardy started =) , and my wifi not supported
[20:45] <N1c> Now i am going back to gutsy and all what i am asking is where i can get Hardy .DEBS
[20:46] <iyigun> grej:  thanks, i'll check that
[20:46] <scizzo-> N1c: with all honesty it does sound like you need to read about the apt-get system and how .debs works
[20:46] <N1c> i will try --force and i will take all the risk
[20:47] <DrPHP> N1c: am updating here
[20:47]  * DrPHP is Assid
[20:47] <DrPHP> but my network went up and down
[20:47] <N1c> DrPHP *GOOD LUCK*
[20:47] <DrPHP> yeah lets see how it goes
[20:47] <N1c> Anyway i wish you good luck more then i had on Hardy
[20:48] <N1c> Just in case , you wont see FireFox 3 (as on alpha 3) there is 2.0.10 *dont get dispointed)
[20:48] <N1c> also on Ubuntu HomePage it says  7.10
[20:48] <DrPHP> so no firefox3?
[20:48] <N1c> lol , you will need to install your self
[20:48] <nanonyme> imo doesn't really matter
[20:48] <nanonyme> it's not ready yet anyway
[20:49] <N1c> Also Hardy having problem with xorg.conf
[20:49] <nanonyme> LTS doesn't sound like a proper release to include alpha software
[20:49] <DrPHP> true
[20:49] <N1c> on livecd , it gets my xorg.conf right which imporoved mt FPS but not when i installed it
[20:49] <scizzo-> N1c: stop flaming about problems....read the topic
[20:49] <N1c> its aliitle kind of bug
[20:49] <N1c> scizzo i am not flaming =) , i am just telling him what he will find
[20:49] <DrPHP> personally i think hardy should solve the problems i had with gutsy
[20:50] <DrPHP> specially if its LTS
[20:50] <Trewas> firefox3 is in hardy, but obviously not the default browser
[20:50] <DrPHP> compiz for example.. issues with that
[20:50] <N1c> DrPHP , you wont be happy with it , but i hope Alpha 4 will do it
[20:50] <N1c> DrPHP do you have X3100?
[20:51] <blkorpheus> FF3 works for me without issue
[20:51] <DrPHP> nah .. dell d600 with mobility firegl 9000
[20:51] <scizzo-> N1c: actually you are......since you are pointing at certain problems also knowing that hardy is a development release state.....please stop pointing at the most obvious problems...it is a development release and if you are not comfortable with the apt-get system, error searching, debugging and .deb handling then you should not run it....
[20:52] <DrPHP> err.. someone should look into that brightness jumps
[20:52] <N1c> scizzo thats why i am building my programs from source =)
[20:52] <N1c> I never trust any apt-get install nor emerge or any other programs for installing programs in any OS
[20:53] <N1c> Out of the topic
[20:53] <N1c> Where i can find the .DEBS for Hardy? ;-)
[20:53] <nanonyme> erm, what?
[20:54] <N1c> DrPHP it still with it , Just set it to some things like 75% = FULL or 95% = lowest
[20:54] <DrPHP> and where do i set that
[20:54] <N1c> emm , lets me remeber
[20:54] <DrPHP> known bug right?
[20:55] <N1c> Its old and really old
[20:56] <N1c> DrPHP , try power managment , System=>Admin/System => ScreenServer
[20:59] <N1c> Anyone know where i could find Hardy Developers?
[20:59] <N1c> *HERE*
[21:03] <wastrel> i have hardy
[21:05] <N1c> wastrel i have easy
[21:21] <Assid> err
[21:21] <Assid> found one more bug
[21:21] <Assid> apparently if you enable compiz (when you enable it from appearance)
[21:22] <Assid> it just crashes when you try and go there again
[21:27] <Assid> okay i broke this
[21:27] <Assid> i cant access appearance preferances witrhout it breaking on me
[21:45] <Assid> err whats some sites similar to yousendit?
[21:50] <Assid> nothing happens when i try and access other tabs in appearance
[21:56] <HellMind> anyone tried oss2jack?
[21:57] <alteregolio> yeah, i tried it, but now i see more intense colors
[21:58] <HellMind> Its for sound not video -_-
[22:01] <BlackDiamonds> I was just looking at linux mint and I noticed they have one standard mechanism for installing apps
[22:01] <BlackDiamonds> opposed to add/remove and synapatic on ubuntu
[22:01] <BlackDiamonds> any reason why we have two ?
[22:05] <alteregolio> because of redundancy
[22:05] <askand> !info rawstudio
[22:05] <ubotu> rawstudio (source: rawstudio): open source raw-image converter. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6+20071101-1 (hardy), package size 215 kB, installed size 568 kB
[22:06] <BlackDiamonds> !info linux-wlan-ng
[22:06] <ubotu> linux-wlan-ng (source: linux-wlan-ng): utilities for wireless prism2 cards. In component main, is extra. Version 0.2.8+svn1839+dfsg-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 106 kB, installed size 528 kB
[22:06] <alteregolio> !info ubuntu atheistic edition
[22:06] <ubotu> Package ubuntu does not exist in hardy
[22:06] <BlackDiamonds> also quick question
[22:06] <BlackDiamonds> whats the name of that sources.list creator ?
[22:06] <BlackDiamonds> the one that makes one with some unoffical repos in it and medibuntu (sp?)
[22:07] <askand> How do I request rawstudio to be upgraded in hardy?
[22:08] <BlackDiamonds> askand file a bug ?
[22:08] <BlackDiamonds> then bother a motu
[22:08] <askand> BlackDiamonds: I file a bug against rawstudio in launchpad?
[22:08] <BlackDiamonds> yeah
[22:09] <askand> okok ill try
[22:09] <BlackDiamonds> you need to explain why it needs to be upgrated
[22:09] <BlackDiamonds> and ask for a sync from debian unstable
[22:09] <BlackDiamonds> also I need a good sources.list generator
[22:09] <BlackDiamonds> or a list of repos to add to my config
[22:19] <askand> BlackDiamonds: Done! Does it look ok to you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rawstudio/+bug/185757
[22:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185757 in rawstudio "New version avaible: rawstudio-0.7" [Undecided,New]
[22:19] <BlackDiamonds> good
[22:20] <BlackDiamonds> now you either need to wait for the maintainer, a motu guy or the bug squad to do something with it
[22:20] <BlackDiamonds> hopefully before the freeze for hardy
[22:20] <askand> BlackDiamonds: okok thanks for helping
[22:21] <BlackDiamonds> I still need a sources.list generator
[22:21] <BlackDiamonds> or a list of the repos I should add
[22:21] <alteregolio> what does that mean, nautilus can not handle network thingys
[22:22] <alteregolio> could not display ///:network
[22:23] <askand> The only generator I know if seems to be broken http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[22:24] <askand> alteregolio: have you installed samba?
[22:24] <alteregolio> ah
[22:24] <alteregolio> i think i removed that during nautilus upgrade
[22:25] <askand> ah ok :) try to reinstall
[22:26] <alteregolio> !samba-common and samba is already installed i see
[22:27] <alteregolio> if i try to install nautilus-share it wants remove libeel2-2 then nautilus won't work
[22:28] <askand> ah an you are using hardy?
[22:28] <alteregolio> yeah hardy heron today: 23:00 updated
[22:28] <alteregolio> 30min ago
[22:29] <askand> ah ok..well wait to see if someone else know, else you perhaps should file a bug :)
[23:11] <askand> alteregolio: network is apparently broken because of the new gvfs in nautilus
[23:11] <askand> it is a known problem and no bug filing is neccesary
[23:39] <resolution> my screen and graphics program crashes, anyone know how to get it to work?
[23:51] <BlackDiamonds> !info linux-wlan-ng
[23:51] <ubotu> linux-wlan-ng (source: linux-wlan-ng): utilities for wireless prism2 cards. In component main, is extra. Version 0.2.8+svn1839+dfsg-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 106 kB, installed size 528 kB


[07:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:53] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[07:53] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[08:01] <Riddell> I'm awesome thanks
[08:02] <lordievader> :D
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:10] <Quintasan> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[15:11] <Quintasan> LOL
[15:11] <Quintasan> CANONICAL
[15:11] <Quintasan> LOL
[15:12] <genii> Looks like they need to raise a million per day which is highly unlikely
[15:13] <Quintasan> genii: Judging from the general reaction from mixed social sites it MIGHT just work
[15:13] <Quintasan> Though it's quite unlikely
[15:15] <Quintasan> >canonical pls what are you doing
[15:15] <Quintasan> Best comment
[15:21] <juancarlospaco> I migrated myself to watch form factor and not coming back, but its a very good idea, I want it to happen...
[15:22] <juancarlospaco> android watch just google it, no need to carry the brick anymore
[15:26] <yofel> while the fun raising plan sounds crazy, I like the hardware
[15:27] <yofel> s/fun/fund/
[15:27] <kubotu> yofel meant: "while the fund raising plan sounds crazy, I like the hardware"
[15:28] <soee> yofel, when can we expect RC1 for raring ? :)
[15:29] <yofel> I hopefully can finish that today, but I'm still at work so it'll have to wait till later
[15:30] <manchicken> 128GB storage?! That's impressive.
[15:31] <juancarlospaco> it does not resist water, nor have cables builtin like watches
[15:34] <manchicken> I'm not convinced of a watch form factor to replace my mobile handset.
[15:44] <juancarlospaco> me neither, of none of the form factors  :) but still
[17:20] <apachelogger_> back from opera weekend \o/
[17:21] <yofel> wb, enjoyed it?
[17:22]  * shadeslayer is listening to some Antonio Vivaldi right now
[17:22] <apachelogger_> very much
[17:22] <apachelogger_> http://www.ofs.at/en/home/
[17:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: that site is running IIS
[17:22] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:23] <shadeslayer> *running on
[17:23] <apachelogger_> it worries me that you would know that from an url :O
[17:23] <shadeslayer> http://www.ofs.at/en/home/whatever/
[17:24] <yofel> wow, haven't seen that error page in years
[17:24] <yofel> but that opera place sure has an amazing scenery :O
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ^^
[17:28] <apachelogger_> so awesome.
[17:40] <juancarlospaco> 5 Mac screens on the Ubuntu Ad
[17:40] <juancarlospaco> :O
[17:40]  * juancarlospaco I see memes
[17:41] <Riddell> Ubuntu Ad?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:41] <shadeslayer> juancarlospaco: and a windows one as well IIRC
[17:42] <juancarlospaco> our Spred-Mac Ubuntu Team is working really hard and no one say thank to us  :(
[17:43] <juancarlospaco> Spread*
[17:44] <juancarlospaco> im so using the storedGet() for a vagrant instrumentation GUI
[17:48] <juancarlospaco> that Aqua theme for KDE is really good  *wink*   *wink*
[20:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: So, when are we getting Ubuntu Edge?
[20:03]  * Quintasan laughs
[20:08] <genii> My main question is: Will it run Kubuntu?
[20:09] <Quintasan> genii: Ubuntu Edge -> Mir -> No.
[20:09]  * genii shakes a fist
[20:10] <yofel> depends on the graphics driver they need really. If it's just using EGL then you *could* *maybe* run kwin-wayland on it eventually
[20:10] <Quintasan> And pray it works.
[20:10] <yofel> that wouldn't be any different for any other phone really
[20:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: at least when there's something other than a phone shell to it :)
[20:11] <Riddell> good luck to them but
[20:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: I read that as "never"
[20:12]  * Quintasan hides
[20:12] <genii> A million a day for a month seems overly optimistic. Especially if they're pulling the $600 level after the first day.
[20:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: don't be so skeptical!
[20:14]  * Quintasan giggles
[20:14] <yofel> Quintasan: why? they already have a unity shell that runs on android, that's exactly what they're selling the phone with + probably a dual-boot with their MIR thing
[20:14] <yofel> so it's not really only a shell
[20:14] <Quintasan> Ah oh well, I just used on an actual device
[20:15] <Quintasan> and it's...bad?
[20:15] <Quintasan> I mean the software
[20:16] <yofel> haven't seen it so can't say. But I would believe it can run somewhat well if you feed it with those hardware specs
[20:16]  * ScottK notes Riddell has a new baby to reign over him if he doesn't get busy winning the vote.
[20:16] <Quintasan> Hm?
[20:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: Care to explain?
[20:17] <Riddell> ach we'll keep the baby even if we vote yes, no sign of a socialist paradise yet
[20:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: look at any news source ever
[20:17] <ScottK> Heh
[20:17]  * Quintasan looks at anything that doesn't report the new king
[20:17] <ScottK> Future king
[20:17] <Riddell> ubuntu.com doesn't, how unpatriotic
[20:17] <Quintasan> Ah
[20:18] <ScottK> South Africa is a Republic.
[20:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: New monarch in Belgium as well
[20:18] <ScottK> Yes, but the Belgian monarchy doesn't come from a history of repression (at least not in Europe).
[20:19] <Quintasan> Certainly
[20:21] <Riddell> the Belgian monarchy doesn't come from a history full stop
[20:22] <Riddell> but poor old congo would disagree on that repression thing (not in europe I guess but repressed from there)
[20:22] <ScottK> Yes, it was particularly Congo I was thinking of.
[20:24] <skellat> From the viceroy across the lake in the dominion to my north: http://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=15236&lan=eng
[20:25] <Riddell> poor old ubuntu gets trolled by baby on bbc news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23402994
[20:25] <Quintasan> lol
[20:26] <Quintasan> >Canonical says the Ubuntu OS is so simple that its handset does not need a home button
[20:26] <Quintasan> Uhh.
[20:28] <juancarlospaco> can be worse than firefoxos
[20:28] <juancarlospaco> :P
[20:28] <Quintasan> Ehh
[20:28]  * Quintasan stops wasting time on talking about this and starts working
[20:28] <Quintasan> hurr
[20:29] <Quintasan> yofel: Can you repase the pbuilderrc please?
[20:35] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/p55212a07
[20:38] <juancarlospaco> we still need kings, meh humanity, so much to be done...
[20:43] <Quintasan> yofel: Thank you
[20:43]  * Quintasan wonders if men in expensive suits would come to him if he started a company called Kanonikal
[20:48] <genii> Ah, he IS there in -meeting
[20:50] <Quintasan> genii: Who is there?
[20:50] <genii> Quintasan: Scott
[20:57] <yofel> yay, we got (most of) our MREs :D
[21:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1203867] KDE packages FTBFS if Qt 5 present @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1203867 (by Roman Odaisky)
[21:20] <Quintasan> yes!
[21:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you ever fix the owncloud SRU bugs?
[21:23]  * ScottK just accepted libkscreen based on the new MRE.
[22:04] <Riddell> ScottK: no sorry, tomorrow
[22:04] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know.
[22:04] <Riddell> ScottK: yay on the new MRE, thanks for pushing that through
[22:04] <ScottK> No problem.
[22:09] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174605] No unlock dialogue after locking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174605 (by naught101)
[22:25] <ScottK> ^^^ should be kscreen, right?
[22:47] <yofel> hm, the saucy uploads of kde sc weren't committed in bzr
[23:37] <Riddell> yofel: ug seriously?
[23:37] <Riddell> I'll fix that tomorrow sorry
[23:40] <yofel> I just changed the script to auto-push again so it matches what initial-upload does. Having opposite defaults for the 2 scripts really doesn't work


[01:16] <nhandler> Could someone who is able to add images to Fridge posts add the book image to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1896 (The image is in Jono's post) and submit it
[05:15] <johnc4510> 3~3~/away
[05:15] <johnc4510> nhandler: image is loaded and i published the article


[02:15] <macinnisrr> Hi!
[02:22] <macinnisrr> I had asked about the possibility of including the option to include a multimedia PPA by KXStudio a while back, and was told that it had been discussed, but decided against due to security concerns.  While I understand that, what is the possibility of the UbuntuStudio team hosting their own ppa, whose trusted members can add new and updated packages to distributions as old as they can support (eg: when Ardour 3.0 com
[03:44] <ScottL> hi macinnisrr
[03:45] <macinnisrr> Hey!
[03:45] <ScottL> several aspects have been discussed about ppa
[03:46] <ScottL> one of the first and foremost was that the effort should really go into getting packages into the repos for everyone rather than just ppa
[03:46] <ScottL> oh, he's gone
[15:13] <ScottL_> did anyone hear about network-manager causing conflicts with the -rt kernel?
[15:14] <ScottL_> i'm not sure if this is speculation or documented
[15:14] <holstein> ScottL_: what conflicts?
[15:14] <holstein> i have an install with both around here
[15:14] <holstein> i could look into it
[15:14] <ScottL_> holstein, i suspected it may have been misinformation
[15:15] <ScottL_> it was from a user on the forums
[15:15] <ScottL_> i wouldn't look into it though
[15:15] <holstein> if you want to link me up
[15:15] <holstein> ill respond
[15:15] <ScottL_> hold on
[15:15] <holstein> and offer to confirm
[15:16] <ScottL_> ah, he's already backed away from it a bit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10473488#post10473488
[15:17] <ScottL_> i'm beginning to suspect some stratification in users on the forums and users on lists and irc
[15:17] <ScottL_> the ones in the forums don't seem to be as abreast of the current status and problems
[15:17] <ScottL_> in some ways they might even be creating their own misinformation and are unable to find where to get a definitive answer :(
[15:18] <ScottL_> i think i'm going to post there, in a new thread, and mention three things:
[15:18] <holstein> yeah, thats mis-information
[15:18] <holstein> its not really a conflict
[15:18] <holstein> and its not really isolated to a kernel
[15:18] <ScottL_> 1. the list and irc a GREAT places to get definitive and current information
[15:18] <holstein> i heard someone explain it well
[15:18] <holstein> and i should have took notes
[15:18] <ScottL_> 2. ask if people in the forums generally ONLY stay in the forums
[15:19] <ScottL_> 3. and maybe proffer a general Q&A to help communication and information flow
[15:19] <ScottL_> lol, holstein, there are many times i wish i had notes :)
[15:19] <holstein> hell, id like to say 'is ubuntustudio dying?, only if you let it'
[15:20] <ScottL_> oh, oh...that's great!  yeah, you should say that :)
[15:21] <ScottL_> i have been trying to be very positive in my forums posts and always present a way for the users to get involved
[15:21] <holstein> yeah, i forget about them
[15:21] <holstein> i'll get active for a minute
[15:22] <holstein> and just forget to go look
[15:22] <ScottL_> also autostatic mentioned that it would be great to have a dev presence in the forums, eric used to do that quite a bit but he's not around so much anymore :(
[15:22] <ScottL_> holstein, yeah, same here
[15:22] <holstein> sometimes there are folk that ask
[15:22] <holstein> how to help
[15:22] <holstein> next time i'll suggest that
[15:23] <holstein> not a dev presence
[15:23] <ScottL_> there's a big sticky on the beginning of the studio forums
[15:23] <ScottL_> about helping
[15:23] <holstein> but a regular member
[15:23] <holstein> that can come to the IRC
[15:23] <holstein> and unify some responses
[15:23] <ScottL_> but i suppose there are also crap loads of "how do i configure jack?" posts and people keep posting new ones :/
[15:23] <holstein> it would be nice to have a clean and clear wiki too
[15:23] <holstein> for JACK
[15:24] <ScottL_> so, it's not like some of those persons are terribly resourceful
[15:24] <holstein> where, when we help one person
[15:24] <holstein> they can post the process
[15:24] <holstein> based on hardware
[15:24] <holstein> for others to learn from
[15:24] <ScottL_> yeah, like a resource database or knowledge base
[15:24] <holstein> its a lot of work though
[15:24] <holstein> we were kinda doing that with OSMP wiki
[15:25] <holstein> and got slack about it
[15:25] <ScottL_> i've been trying to also drum up support for developing an artwork team around ubuntu studio...no luck so far though
[15:25] <holstein> also, the ALSA and ffado sites can be resourceful for that purpse
[15:25] <holstein> purpose*
[15:26] <holstein> if you know what you're looking for
[15:26] <ScottL_> i think i'm going to bug TheMuso to make one more set of changes (one that i forgot and one that should be undone) and then we can work on the menu :)
[15:26] <holstein> cool
[15:26] <ScottL_> s/changes/changes to the seeds
[15:27] <ScottL_> i added dvd-styler, which is awesome for making dvd's, but it brings in a bunch of other stuff, like dvdisaster and xine
[15:27] <ScottL_> and honestly, do we have a user base that really makes loads of dvd's?  probably not
[15:27] <holstein> maybe
[15:27] <holstein> i have installed some tools for that purpose
[15:27] <holstein> thats for sure
[15:27] <holstein> BUT
[15:27] <ScottL_> but i wouldn't say it was a lot of our users though
[15:27] <holstein> these days you can be a video guy
[15:28] <holstein> and not ever touch a DVD
[15:28] <holstein> tough call
[15:28] <ScottL_> but again, dvd-styler is really the best that i've played with...even above bombono which is touted as the best lately
[15:28] <holstein> ScottL_: how much space?
[15:28] <ScottL_> space?  for dvd-styler install?
[15:28] <holstein> i mean, we're really talking about a DL size
[15:28] <holstein> in my opinion
[15:29] <holstein> if it dont fit on a CD
[15:29] <holstein> then, i dont really care how much bigger it is
[15:29] <holstein> but, i got fast-ish internet
[15:29] <ScottL_> but some users will, especially if they're on dial up
[15:29] <ScottL_> but here's the real thing i worry about... bloat
[15:29] <holstein> still, whats the big difference in 1.8 or 1.9 GB's
[15:30] <ScottL_> if we leave this and then we leave that, next thing we know we have a HUGE disc and no one knows why most of it is there
[15:30] <holstein> ScottL_: there was a 'clean out' though
[15:30] <holstein> and i totally think the discussion is getting where it needs to get
[15:30] <holstein> 'what is the future'
[15:30] <holstein> what are we trying to do
[15:30] <holstein> who is our market
[15:30] <ScottL_> yeah, and i found a very strong work flow for making dvd's, but that doesn't mean there is a demand for it though :/
[15:31] <holstein> whats US supposed to be out of the box
[15:31] <holstein> i totally appreciate the task selection
[15:31] <holstein> but, i dont think a new user knows what that is
[15:31] <ScottL_> troy_s really scolded me about being excited about making dvd's....he said "welcome to mid 1990's"  LOL
[15:31] <ScottL_> holstein, i agree about tasksel
[15:31] <holstein> and i think for our audience
[15:32] <holstein> a live installer
[15:32] <holstein> and just sets something up
[15:32] <holstein> out of the box
[15:32] <holstein> would be easier for the new user
[15:32] <holstein> and more like ubuntu
[15:32] <holstein> but, do we want to be easier?
[15:32] <holstein> is that important?
[15:32] <ScottL_> i'm favoring a stripped down (like we are heading) package selection, very strong for the work flows we deem most desired, and maybe not even consider tasksel
[15:33] <ScottL_> even if we don't do livedvd
[15:33] <ScottL_> BUT, if we do
[15:33] <holstein> yup
[15:33] <holstein> a compromise is fine with me
[15:33] <ScottL_> then we are already freed up for that
[15:34] <ScottL_> i need to think this weekend, see if anything is critical right now, if anything needs to be done before the end of Feb
[15:34] <holstein> yeah
[15:34] <holstein> feb24
[15:34] <holstein> the stuff im thinking about
[15:34] <holstein> changes*
[15:34] <ScottL_> if not, then maybe i wait until after RPM and then hit the ground running with meeting, and figuring out a direction for the next few releases
[15:34] <holstein> are really for 12.04
[15:34] <holstein> the next LTS
[15:36]  * ScottL_ was making chocolate milk for son
[15:37] <ScottL_> but also see about forging some relations with "downstream" as well and getting other distros to contribute to development as well
[15:37] <ScottL_> but most important, i'm tired of _talking_ about things...i want to _do_ something about these things
[15:38] <ScottL_> so i'd like for meetings and assigning responsibilities to people and start making progress again :)
[15:38] <holstein> yeah
[15:38] <holstein> i need to get the meeting announced
[15:38] <holstein> this week
[15:40] <holstein> even if its just you and I
[15:40] <holstein> for some of them
[15:40] <holstein> brainstorming and contacting whoever
[15:40] <holstein> the 'regular monthly time' model *should* help get folks here
[15:42] <ScottL_> yeah, that would be nice
[15:44] <ScottL_> but hopefull for the meeting where we talk about future releases and livedvd/gui installer others will be in attendance as well :P
[15:45] <holstein> eventually
[15:45] <holstein> hopefully sooner than later though
[15:57] <scott-upstairs> true
[15:58] <ailo> scott-upstairs: The network-manager caused problems at least in the past, why it was excluded by audio distros
[15:58] <ailo> Don't know the situation now, but I heard it got better
[15:59] <ailo> I would like to find out what processes can disrupt audio on a Linux system. I think there are a lot of variables probably
[15:59] <scott-upstairs> ailo, what i've been told is that the network-manager caused some degradation in performance because it would puts a load on the cpu from time to time which caused xruns
[16:00] <scott-upstairs> ailo, oh several, including even bluetooth that i believe is there and shouldn't be probably
[16:00] <scott-upstairs> ailo, a while back cory asked the.muso to include gwibber on the disc but not have it installed even to help this type of stuff
[16:01] <scott-upstairs> i suspect that the typical ubuntu studio user also uses his computer as a desktop and runs many, many things that might hurt performance
[16:03] <ailo> It would be nice to get to know what things may disrupt audio performance and at least document it. I'm also thinking about the possibility to further tune the UbuntuStudio Desktop to be more reliable. It is very reliable now with lowlatency kernel, but it wouldn't hurt to know what can make it unreliable, or even jsut enhance performance. On older machines this is a big gain.
[16:04] <scott-upstairs> absolutely, but then to really see it home would be to create documentation for others to use
[16:06] <ailo> stocc-upstairs: I've been following the discussion on #ubuntu-artwork and the mail list too. I almost feel like stepping in and talk to the guys. I think it gets a little out of hand sometimes.
[16:07] <ailo> But hopefully their reaching a solution soon
[16:07] <scott-upstairs> ailo, i'm not sure that would help, but then again, i'm not sure it wouldn't help :P
[16:07] <scott-upstairs> but it does seem a little out of control though
[16:08] <scott-upstairs> what i find strange is that there a many calls to talk to jono or some other person but no one is doing it
[16:08] <ailo> I'd think they
[16:08] <ailo> I think they're so occupied with that stuff now, that they won't have time to consider artwork for US
[16:08] <scott-upstairs> i thought about pm'ing jono about it just as a heads up but he probably has many, many other things to worry about
[16:09] <scott-upstairs> and these should be reasonable adults and find their own way, if it came down to two camps with diameterically oppossing view, then maybe arbitration with jono or someone would prove helpful
[16:09] <scott-upstairs> ailo, i agree, we probably wont see help currently :(
[16:10] <scott-upstairs> but like with other areas, i don't just give up after the first effort, it's cyclic
[16:10] <scott-upstairs> i'm do other things to help improve ubuntu studio and then come back to trying to get help with artwork after a while
[16:10] <scott-upstairs> s/i'm/i
[16:10] <scott-upstairs> errr
[16:10] <scott-upstairs> s/i'm/i'll
[16:11] <scott-upstairs> i'm still planning on blogging about needing some help with artwork and i did get one email about helping, so who knows where it will currently go?
[16:14] <ailo> I'm sure there are lot of guys willing to help provide artwork, but I think the main things is to get someone who can organize just the art bit. Doesn't need to be that big of a deal I think. And in my opinion UbuntuStudio might as well look Ubuntu-like.
[16:14] <holstein> more ubuntu-like would be fine with me
[16:15] <holstein> i really like the current theme-ing
[16:15] <holstein> looks slick
[16:15] <holstein> but some things are too dark
[16:15] <holstein> not asthetically
[16:15] <holstein> too dark to see what you need to
[16:17] <ailo> That's my first concern too, that it is functional. Dark is nice, like Ambience, but even default Ambience in my opinion is not the most functional. Text is not dark enough, I think.
[16:17] <ailo> Still, there are worse themes out there
[16:17] <holstein> functionality
[16:17] <holstein> and ease of maintaining
[16:18] <holstein> i think those should be top 2
[16:18] <holstein> then, slickness, and unique-ness
[16:18] <ailo> At least if there is no art-work guy, I agree fully.
[16:18] <holstein> no reason why we cant get all of that
[16:19] <holstein> thats something that could be taken care of before 11.10 i bet
[16:19] <holstein> new look and feel
[16:19] <holstein> unless we get a team
[16:19] <holstein> then, they can take their time and do whatever
[16:20] <ailo> I was working on pimping the Ambiance theme and Mono/Humanity icons. It's not much work, and you get functionality, slickness and a bit of uniqueness.
[16:20] <holstein> works for me
[16:20] <holstein> let me know if i can test something
[16:21] <ailo> I could probably do something worth trying out after the freeze deadline. I'm all occupied with the -controls until then.
[16:22] <holstein> sure
[16:22] <holstein> i like that
[16:22] <holstein> something to chip away at
[16:22] <holstein> and plan for 11.10
[16:22] <holstein> well, UI freeze is later
[16:23] <holstein> maybe we can sneak that in
[16:23] <ailo> I think we could probably do something for this release, if we really want to
[16:23] <holstein> ailo: we meaning you ;)
[16:23] <holstein> nah, i'll help if i can
[16:27] <ailo> holstein: Here's recolored Humanity folders and blue selection color http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7703622/Screenshot-2.png
[16:28] <ailo> The blue is inspired by the original US theme
[16:28] <holstein> i like the blue
[16:29] <holstein> i like colors too
[16:29] <holstein> im not a big fan of the mono-chrome modern looking scheme
[16:29] <holstein> the one everyone seems to be stealing from the OSX desktop
[16:29] <holstein> *or where ever
[16:30] <ailo> hostein: You'd like colored icons in the indicator field on the panel?
[16:31] <holstein> sure
[16:31] <holstein> i preffer that i think
[16:31] <holstein> not a deal breaker though
[16:31] <holstein> regular ubuntu is all 'greyed-out'
[17:28] <ailo> paultag: ping
[17:28] <paultag> ailo: pong
[17:29] <paultag> ailo: howdy
[17:29] <ailo> paultag: What's up? Did you start coding yet? I've come a bit further, so I could add some more stuff now.
[17:29] <paultag> ailo: just made some cosmetic changes -- git://git.pault.ag/paultag/ubuntustudio-controls.git
[17:30] <paultag> ailo: I'll do some work (today) after I finish my new release of software "X"
[17:30] <paultag> let's just say lots of people are looking foward to "X" having a release ;)
[17:30] <paultag> Oh shit
[17:30] <paultag> not X11
[17:31] <paultag> god I'm tried. I need $COFFEE
[17:32] <ailo> paultag: Alrite. I'll keep working just to educate myself. I'm still just fooling around with basic stuff.
[17:32] <paultag> ailo: aye :)
[17:33] <paultag> ailo: I saw what you did, it was flawless
[17:33] <paultag> ailo: I'll just set up some framework code and slam out a few things
[17:33] <paultag> but it looks really great
[17:35] <ailo> Really just copying from the code I've looked into so far. Trying to understand how it's done. There's a few programs here and there that are relevant, but it takes time to look through it. I think I want to do some tutorial later for beginners coding glade(Python.
[17:35] <paultag> ailo: :)
[17:36] <ailo> The ones I've seen are nice, but don't cover all the variables.
[18:34] <ailo> paultag: I added a list function for packages-to-be-installed and packages-to-be-removed, and made the all-extras button toggle all the extras. So, check it out if you want to.
[18:36] <ailo> And it's based on your version of the code
[18:37] <paultag> k, thanks
[18:38] <paultag> ailo: I'll check it out after I get this damn upload together :)
[19:03] <ailo_> paultag: Working on some bugs..
[19:06] <paultag> :)
[19:06] <paultag> we're almost ready to make a fluxbox 1.3 release :)
[19:07] <paultag> we just pushed it to git, and making a tarball now, debian package is up to date
[19:07] <paultag> we're closing out huge amounts of bugs
[19:17] <ailo_> paultag: Ok, now it's ready :P
[19:28] <paultag> woo! :)
[20:24] <ailo_> So, ScottL, scott-upstairs. You're going to maintain the -lowlatency? Is it going into the repos now, or what?
[20:28] <scott-upstairs> ailo_, good questions!  in order...i can and i will if no one else is going to, i'm not sure but i believe that part is up to alessio, uh huh    :)
[20:29] <ailo_> scott-upstairs: It seemed to me that persia was willing to upload it, but alessio had some doubts
[20:30] <scott-upstairs> ailo_, aye, it seemed that way to me as well :/
[20:31] <ailo_> scott-upstairs: I have no doubts as to whether we need it. I could probably maintain it as well.
[20:33] <ailo_> The main difference from what I can see between the -generic and the -lowlatency at this point is a few configurations done differently.
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> ailo_, aye, that is what alessio has stated again and again and again (even though those in the UKT don't seem to grasph that :P  )
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> grasp even
[20:37] <ailo_> scott-upstairs: I was able to compile one for Debian with ease. As long as one bases the work on the distros source it aught to be extremely easy. At least as long as the kernel doesn't radically change in some way, in which case one could ask an expert. Testing the kernel before release is a must. Other than that, just follow the instructions, right?
[20:41] <scott-upstairs> alessio said it was extremely easy, he almost sounded embarrassed by it :)


[03:24] <EvanCarroll> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/692871/cloud-init-log-shows-write-files-0-additional-properties-are-not-allowed-defe
[03:24] <EvanCarroll> anyone have a chance to look at that?
[10:26] <Guest8897> Continuing my investigation from yesterday, it seems the cloud-init just ignores my `userdata`, even if I `cloud-init clean` and `cloud-init init`
[10:28] <Guest8897> I've managed to get an error out of `cloud-init devel --system --annotate` but it just complains that I'm not using the `#cloud-config` syntax. I'm using the classic bash shebang, which works on AWS linux, but not, it seems, on this custom AMI based on Ubuntu 18.04
[10:28] <Guest8897> more testing to follow
[10:28] <Guest8897> help would be greatly appreciated
[13:20] <holmanb> Guest8897: I think more information is required to help debug. Could you share the userdata you're trying to run and cloud-init logs?
[13:39] <holmanb> EvanCarroll: looking
[14:24] <holmanb> EvanCarroll: Thanks for dropping the SO link here. I responded on SO with a response and some context.
[14:55] <EvanCarroll> holmanb: Thanks a ton for your answers there. I was thinking it was a bug in cloud-init itself, and was digging around never even considering that the code that generated the error isn't there anymore.
[14:57] <holmanb> EvanCarroll: No problem, happy to help.
[20:35] <henk> is there a best practice how to properly deal with locales? I generated /etc/locale.gen with the proper content and have »locale: 'C.UTF-8'« in my userdata. but 'locale' still says »locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory« because 'locale-gen' has not been run AFAIU.
[22:42] <henk> http://ix.io/3SHR cloud-init does not run locale-gen with this config because the specified locale already exists. that’s unfortunate. I have to use a 'runcmd' to run 'locale-gen'. IMHO this could/should be improved to compare 'locale -a' with /etc/locale.gen and run 'locale-gen' if there are any locales missing.
[23:56] <holmanb> henk: I think the assumption in cloud-init's locale module is that the distro-provided locales should work without generating new ones.