[00:00] <bruce89> arghh
[00:00] <thewrath> what about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:00] <hggdh> better
[00:00] <thewrath> i was told what you said wont get everything
[00:00] <acicula> so do a dist-upgrade
[00:00] <thewrath> i was not sure
[00:00] <hggdh> aye
[00:00] <qixcom> need to label the cd this time so I dont loose it in a 200 pile of blank dvd's again :D :P Been using an old hardy cd to install the last few times and its a pain having to run update-manager -d twice
[00:00]  * bruce89 doesn't get why people can't grasp the concept of development releases
[00:01] <thewrath> acicula: whats the difference between teh two
[00:01] <acicula> though you are already on jaunty so dunno why that differs
[00:01] <thewrath> what are people's download speeds
[00:02] <Cycom> 600KB/sec
[00:02] <qixcom> 311KB/s
[00:02] <Cycom> I was at 1MB, but that dropped pretty fast :)
[00:02] <hggdh> 2.7MB/s
[00:02] <thewrath> lucky
[00:02] <bruce89> 0.0
[00:02] <thewrath> ill be back
[00:02] <hggdh> LOL
[00:02] <o0Chris0o> when is the sourch going to be available for apt-get
[00:02] <Cycom> I'm flirting with 1MB pretty often though.
[00:02] <thewrath> i am going to go to into windows
[00:02] <bruce89> excluding the IRC traffic
[00:03] <Cycom> the torrent doesn't seem to have anyone on it yet, but I'm going to download and seed it.
[00:03] <hggdh> oh, I did not add my IRC in
[00:03] <acicula> 2Mb/s
[00:03] <acicula> doesnt seem that crowded on the main server
[00:03] <funkyHat> Why are there only DVD images on this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/ ?
[00:03] <acicula> so much for the rush ;)
[00:04] <Cycom> it seems only the amd64 version is up now, yes?
[00:05] <josh-l> beta has been released for ubuntu... kubuntu?
[00:05] <qixcom> Cycom - x86 is up too
[00:05] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:05] <Cycom> qixcom: ah, seems to have just hit
[00:05] <acicula> why do people go for the images instead of just updating/upgrading ?
[00:05] <josh-l> acicula, because some of us are running 8.10
[00:06] <josh-l> duh
[00:06] <Cycom> acicula: I'm just torrenting them so I can seed.
[00:06] <acicula> josh-l: so
[00:06] <Cycom> josh-l: you can upgrade from 8.10...
[00:06] <qixcom> because sometimes its best to do a fresh install
[00:06] <Cycom> josh-l: that was acicula's point.
[00:06] <funkyHat> acicula: I've only tested in a VM so far, and currently my Jaunty VM is broken
[00:06] <sstoveld> hey guys, is there a problem with vsftpd and jaunty?
[00:06] <josh-l> yeah i like to do fresh installs whenever possible
[00:06] <kneeki> I just realized the beta download is 4.3Gb
[00:06] <josh-l> so is the kubuntu image out?
[00:06] <funkyHat> acicula: also I'm planning to test it's working proerly with the liveCD before I upgrade and possibly break my PC too ;)
[00:07] <Cycom> I'm not seeing much activity on the torrents.  are there actual seeds out there?
[00:07] <Cycom> oops! the i386 one just perked up!
[00:07] <Cycom> and back down.
[00:07] <HolyScottie> cd or dvd?
[00:07] <Cycom> dvd.
[00:07] <Cycom> is there even a CD image?
[00:07] <funkyHat> CDs would be awesome, I don't have a DVD burner
[00:07] <bruce89> acicula: apparently, some people don't think updates are the same thing
[00:07] <acicula> idunno, ran feisty and upgraded that untill the disk broke last december :/ apart from upgrading to early toalpha/beta i never ran into much trouble
[00:07] <HolyScottie> I see all the dvds, is there gonna be a cd release?
[00:08] <josh-l> anyone know? is the kubuntu beta image out?
[00:08] <jblackhall> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[00:08] <acicula> bruce89: well admitedly there is some crud i suppose, but it's marginal in my experience
[00:08] <bruce89> not if you're careful
[00:08] <funkyHat> When I actually decide to upgrade I'll just be doing a dist-upgrade
[00:08]  * bruce89 sets as many packages in aptitude as auto-installed
[00:09] <funkyHat> But I'm not sure I'll upgrade to Jaunty at all, I don't like the sound of what's happened to update-manager (I'll have to see how it looks on the live cd)
[00:10] <josh-l> it is out
[00:10] <josh-l> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:10] <acicula> i need jaunty for better support for the Gm45 chipset and intel 5100 driver :/
[00:10] <Cycom> heh. and now the mirror drops to 200k/s or less.
[00:10] <bruce89> funkyHat: it can be disabled (thankfully)
[00:10] <jblackhall> josh-l: just posted that :)
[00:10] <funkyHat> bruce89: can the icon be enabled as well? if not I'll live with it but I'd like it
[00:10] <josh-l> jblackhall, oh missed it
[00:10] <bruce89> funkyHat: disabling the braindead thing re-enables the icon
[00:10] <Cycom> hey, anyone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/343067?  I'm hoping for a "confirmed" here.  All you need is an ISO image of a backed up DVD.
[00:10] <funkyHat> Also I hear fglrx is broken
[00:10] <funkyHat> bruce89: cool :)
[00:11] <bromic94> i might just download it tomorrow at work
[00:11] <josh-l> jblackhall, wait where
[00:11] <HolyScottie> well I'm DLing a CD version of kubuntu for my netbook.
[00:11] <bruce89> funkyHat: gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
[00:11] <jblackhall> josh-l: 19:08
[00:12] <bruce89> jblackhall: I make it 00:12
[00:12] <funkyHat> bruce89: cheers, I'll make a note of that :)
[00:12] <Cycom> bruce89: does that return the actual icon, or...
[00:12] <funkyHat> Anyone know how the open source ati drivers are doing in Jaunty?
[00:13] <bruce89> Cycom: gets rid of auto-launching and re-enables the icon
[00:13] <Cycom> bruce89: great. I missed my icon :)
[00:13] <Cycom> bruce89: I understand the concept of trying to annoy the user as little as possible, but I would rather be annoyed and know when updates are there :)
[00:14] <Ienorand> May I, on the subject of upd-man advertise: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/18460/
[00:14] <Cycom> HAHAHA! I'm UPLOADING the i386 image 2 to 3x the speed I'm DOWNLOADING it at!
[00:14] <bruce89> Cycom: I'm of the school of find auto-opening windows appearing being annoying
[00:14] <Cycom> bruce89: ditto.
[00:14] <Cycom> "whoops, clicked something on a window that just popped open.  pity I couldn't read it first"
[00:15] <bruce89> even if they are in the background
[00:15] <Do``> crdlb: bsnider: thanks for your help, i think i'll continue tomorrow with a brute force check to see which folders removed from my home directory fixes the login. thanks once again
[00:15] <bruce89> also why the new notifications are useless too
[00:15] <bsnider> bruce89, what problem do you have with the notification system?
[00:15] <funkyHat> I really like notify-osd though, I've been using it in 8.10 for a couple of weeks
[00:15] <bruce89> no features
[00:16] <bruce89> no queuing
[00:16] <bruce89> no theming
[00:16] <fosco__> but they are nice :)
[00:16] <bruce89> essentially requires compositing
[00:16] <thewrath> i am getting really slow download speeds but i think that is becuase of our neetwork here
[00:16] <thewrath> nad how its set up
[00:17] <bruce89> can't be attached to widgets
[00:17] <Cycom> somebody on the torrent is loving me about now.
[00:17] <thewrath> why
[00:17] <thewrath> why do you say taht Cycom
[00:17] <Cycom> they got 287kb/s from me for a minute or two :)
[00:18] <Cycom> I haven't changed my limites or anything, I think the segment finished.
[00:18] <Cycom> limits*
[00:18] <bsnider> bruce89, what sort of features do you want the system to have?
[00:18] <mickstephenson> 16kb/s :( 2 days, 12 hours remaining
[00:18] <bruce89> bsnider: the ones the old one had; attaching to widgets, and actions
[00:18] <bruce89> bsnider: timeouts
[00:18] <bsnider> i like it the way it is
[00:19] <bruce89> and the fact that programs have to be patch to "work"
[00:19] <Cycom> the amd64 torrent seems pretty dead.
[00:19] <josh-l> yeah totally
[00:19] <bsnider> but i have a real graphics driver so i guess the compositing thing doesn't bother me
[00:20] <Cycom> is there not a seed for it?
[00:20] <bruce89> gnome-mount now has a window that appears when a drive is being unmounted because notify-osd doesn't do timeouts
[00:20] <JediMaster> where would be a good place to ask about setting up ubuntu for a complicated network (multi link ppp over tcp/ip)?
[00:21] <josh-l> Cycom, oddly not
[00:22] <Cycom> josh-l: that's problematic.
[00:22] <josh-l> indeed
[00:22] <Cycom> would it be possible for me to just dump my completed iso in the folder where the torrent is and seed that?
[00:22] <Cycom> (once it downloads from a proper mirror)
[00:22] <bruce89> yes
[00:22] <Halow> Cycom: Yeah. I did that once or twice.
[00:23] <Cycom> ok. I'll do that if the dvd image finishes in a timely fashion.  looking at about 4 hrs right now.
[00:23] <josh-l> wow
[00:23] <josh-l> im looking at 2
[00:24] <Doctor_Nick> JOOSE
[00:26] <P3ngv1n-Fvck3r> yes..finally.. downloading beta now :D
[00:26] <Cycom> is there anything new from yesterday on the update mirrors?
[00:28] <thewrath> how big are the betas
[00:28] <thewrath> other sites that have them on torrents i see are like 500-=700MB
[00:28] <Cycom> 4.3gb for x86 and x64, I think
[00:28] <thewrath> on the ubuntu its 4.3Gb
[00:28] <thewrath> whats the different between teh two
[00:29] <thewrath> https://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=Ubuntu shows 9.04 betas being 500-700MB
[00:29] <bruce89> sigh
[00:29] <bruce89> one's a DVD ISO, the other is a CD
[00:29] <Cycom> thewrath: likely fake.
[00:29] <thewrath> oh ok
[00:29] <Cameron> is the beta out ?
[00:29] <Doctor_Nick> is ther a torrent
[00:30] <Cameron> I can see DVDs here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/ but no CD ISOs
[00:30] <thewrath> beta is out
[00:30] <Cycom> perhaps it's time to update the topic?
[00:30] <thewrath> Cycom: most likely
[00:30] <thewrath> clear
[00:31] <thewrath> wow i started at 12.1kb
[00:31] <jblackhall> josh-l: whoops, I thought that was the releases.ubuntu.com link.  my mistake
[00:31] <thewrath> lol
[00:32] <jblackhall> Cameron: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[00:32] <Cameron> jblackhall: taa
[00:32] <HolyScottie> I am getting a 250kb dl
[00:32] <thewrath> i am at o B/s
[00:32] <thewrath> this is rediculous
[00:32] <HolyScottie> I need to get 3 iso's
[00:32] <thewrath> the servers will mostl likely go down
[00:33] <HolyScottie> for the ps3, the netbook, and possibly my desktop
[00:33] <thewrath> just bc of all the triffic
[00:33] <thewrath> wh y is it do big
[00:33] <HolyScottie> then I will have th DL all 3 again because I am DLing fakes
[00:33] <bruce89> jigdo!
[00:33] <o0Chris0o> HolyScottie: now that would be funny
[00:34] <HolyScottie> oh well
[00:34] <HolyScottie> but I have a change of getting them sooner and quicker
[00:34] <HolyScottie> I'll just compare md5's before I comit to installing
[00:34] <Cycom> I'm rather suprised that amd64 is seeing so little activity on the torrent.
[00:34] <thewrath> wow
[00:35] <HolyScottie> but there are no release notes yet with known issues?
[00:35] <thewrath> i have amd64 aand i386
[00:35] <thewrath> the machinet hat will get this relaese of ubuntu on it will be the i386
[00:35] <thewrath> when will i be able to do my update to my alpha relase
[00:36] <bruce89> !jigdo
[00:36] <thewrath> bruce89: i can do sud apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:36] <thewrath> what all in the release
[00:37] <bruce89> thewrath: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:37] <bazookatooth> whats going on w/ the beta release?
[00:37] <thewrath> whats the safe upgrade?
[00:38] <thewrath> bruce89:
[00:39] <aschmitz> thewrath: safe-upgrade doesn't remove packages in order to do the upgrade, even if it thinks it should.
[00:39] <thewrath> is that good everytime>
[00:39] <aschmitz> thewrath: It's safer with a beta/etc upgrade, but it's not necessarily best.
[00:40]  * bruce89 just uses aptitude's UI, so I know what it is doing
[00:40] <khear> can i use the usb-creator available from intrepid repositories to get the jaunty iso image on a usb stick?
[00:40] <Cycom> khear: worked fine for me. your milage my vary
[00:41] <HolyScottie> so does this mean I had a heads up on the right version?
[00:41] <bruce89> !usb-creator intrepid-backports
[00:41] <bruce89> !info usb-creator intrepid-backports
[00:41] <bruce89> !info usb-creator intrepid-updates
[00:41] <khear> Cycom: thanks, i'll give it a try then
[00:41] <thewrath> i know there are freezes on stuff
[00:41] <thewrath> like the resposititories
[00:41] <thewrath> teh restricted moduels in particular when willt eh freeze be lifted?
[00:42] <bruce89> after release
[00:42] <thewrath> the final whcih is what april 23?
[00:42] <bruce89> !schedule
[00:45] <cousteau> why isn't there any jaunty beta desktop CD yet?
[00:45] <bazookatooth> baw
[00:45] <LjL> cousteau: says who there isn't?
[00:46] <bruce89> bazookatooth: I didn't know you could speak 'Weegie
[00:46] <o0Chris0o> LjL: is the source available through apt-get?
[00:46] <LjL> o0Chris0o: what source?
[00:46] <cousteau> there's a MID edition, Notebook-remix, and even a SD card version, but I can't find the desktop CD
[00:46] <LjL> cousteau: /topic
[00:46] <Cycom> I think he means they are DVD images, not CD images
[00:46] <cousteau> "there" = http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:46] <LjL> Cycom: no, there are CD images
[00:46] <LjL> cousteau: type /topic
[00:47]  * cwillu burns an 8.10 livecd
[00:47] <o0Chris0o> LjL: whatever it uses to download/install through apt-get
[00:47] <cousteau> ok, ok, I just saw it
[00:47] <bazookatooth> are all of the issues cleared up w/ ext4?
[00:47] <LjL> o0Chris0o: i'm not following you
[00:47] <cwillu> bazookatooth, a while ago
[00:47] <o0Chris0o> LjL: if I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I still get nothing
[00:47] <LjL> o0Chris0o: apt-get dist-upgrade will *never* upgrade you to a new release.
[00:48] <thewrath> bruce89: how faster after the release is stuff released
[00:48] <o0Chris0o> hrmm
[00:48] <LjL> besides, Jaunty isn't out, so it'll never upgrade unless you explicitly specify it
[00:48] <LjL> !upgrade | o0Chris0o
[00:48] <LjL> and DON'T UPGRADE unless it's a test system.
[00:48] <cwillu> bazookatooth, specifically, sane but incorrect programs have a workaround in place in the kernel to make them work properly, and insane and incorrect programs were always broken, and so remain broken
[00:48] <Cycom> LjL: I'm looking at the mirror right now.  there are mid and netbook remix USB images, and the liveDVD images.  NOT cd images.
[00:48] <thewrath> where can i see the features in jaunty
[00:48] <bruce89> thewrath: not very
[00:48] <LjL> Cycom: " ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso " sounds like a desktop CD image to me.
[00:48] <cwillu> bazookatooth, none of the major packages are in the 'insane and incorrect category'
[00:49] <thewrath> the reason i ask bruce89 is there is sometihng in there that i am waiting for for the computer i am on now when i boot into ubuntu
[00:50] <fosco__> thewrath, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[00:50] <bruce89> thewrath: being?
[00:50] <cousteau> (http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ and not http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/)
[00:50] <Cycom> LjL: AHA! I was looking at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/beta/
[00:50] <thewrath> it deals with a bug hold on let me get it for u
[00:50] <LjL> meh
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> LjL: hmm its not listed on how to upgrade
[00:50] <LjL> there's a REASON i said to look at the /topic
[00:50] <LjL> o0Chris0o: no, of course it's not. it's not out.
[00:50] <thewrath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305907
[00:50] <LjL> ^^^^
[00:50] <Cycom> LjL: well for the past three hours people have been pointing to the cdimage mirrors.
[00:50] <thewrath> bruce89: that is the bug that one of the restricted modules helps me with
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> LjL: well I know this...I want the beta
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> lol
[00:50] <o0Chris0o> I am asking how do I upgrade to it
[00:50] <Cycom> which brings us to the point: why DOES the cdimage mirror have only the dvds?
[00:51] <cousteau> o0Chris0o: sudo update-manager -d, I think
[00:51] <dan457> o0Chris0o, ok just het alt-f2 and type in update-manager -d
[00:51] <cousteau> or download, mount and install the alternate CD
[00:51] <dan457> -d makes it show devel versions....
[00:51] <bruce89> o0Chris0o: or indeed do-release-upgrade -d for a CLI version
[00:52] <cousteau> I mean, download, mount and run it
[00:52] <cousteau> (it includes an upgrade program)
[00:52] <thewrath> what do yoiu think of that bruce89 ?
[00:52] <o0Chris0o> didnt' work
[00:53] <cwillu> LjL, what do you suppose the odds are that somebody could note in the release notes the existence of the magic sysrq key combo for killing whatever is on the current vterm as a replacement for ctrl-alt-backspace?
[00:53] <bruce89> thewrath: not fixed until "Fix Released"
[00:53] <thewrath> true
[00:53] <thewrath> but he said unofficially its in there
[00:54] <bruce89> one way to find out
[00:54] <thewrath> what does Triaged mean
[00:54] <thewrath> what is that bruce89 ?
[00:54] <LjL> cwillu: almost the same as the chances that we won't use the new sysrq factoid enough times a day to know it by heart
[00:54]  * cwillu parses
[00:54] <bruce89> thewrath: It's been looked at
[00:54] <thewrath> i mean fix committed?
[00:55] <LjL> cwillu: "very low"
[00:55]  * cwillu parses that as "slim to nil"?
[00:55] <LjL> cwillu: yes, that works too
[00:55] <bruce89> thewrath: in revision control
[00:55] <bruce89> not yet packaged
[00:55] <thewrath> as well as triage\d
[00:55] <thewrath> where can i find where a ll the bug stsus are
[00:56] <Cycom> out of curiosity, how can you tell if you're still on alpha6 or on the beta?
[00:56] <o0Chris0o> ok....I have alpha 6, how do I upgrade to beta? Do I have to download the iso?
[00:56] <bruce89> thewrath: at the top
[00:56] <LjL> o0Chris0o: you don't have to do anything. you're already running the beta.
[00:57] <bruce89> Cycom: you don't really
[00:57] <thewrath> what all the status mean
[00:57] <o0Chris0o> LjL: :D oh lol
[00:57] <LjL> Cycom: just ensure you're up to date on synaptic or apt-get.
[00:57] <bruce89> may have to say it here too
[00:57] <LjL> o0Chris0o: you didn't *specify* you were already on Jaunty to begin with...
[00:57] <Cycom> LjL: bruce89: but there's nothing like the debian-version file for ubuntu?
[00:57] <bruce89> It's just a load of people agreeing that a specific versions of packages are to be jointly called a beta
[00:57] <o0Chris0o> LjL: sorry for the confusion
[00:57] <LjL> Cycom: lsb_release -a might or might not show it, i don't know
[00:58] <Cycom> LjL: nope! just Release: 9.04 and Description: Ubuntu jaunty (development branch)
[00:58] <Riesh> Before i got daily several updates, but now already two days no updates. How come? ... bugs get more difficult to repair ?
[00:58] <bruce89> Cycom: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:58] <bruce89> Riesh: beta freeze
[00:59] <Riesh> bruce89: meaning?
[00:59] <bruce89> !freeze
[00:59] <Cycom> bruce89: 0 packages upgrade, newly installed, etc.
[00:59] <cwillu> Riesh, basically, we stop accepting updates except for the most critical, so that we can have a relatively known good cd for people to work with
[00:59] <bruce89> Riesh: no packages are allowed in unless they fix something that's needed for the beta
[01:00] <danbeck> where is bazookatooth
[01:00] <Cycom> bruce89: so there's no major changes since yesterday?
[01:00] <bruce89> Cycom: meaning you have the latest updates
[01:00] <bruce89> Cycom: evidently not
[01:00] <o0Chris0o> LjL: for future reference whats the command I can input into the terminal to see what version I have?
[01:00] <Cycom> bruce89: ok cool :)
[01:00] <LjL> o0Chris0o: lsb_release -a, but as Cycom just said, that doesn't really tell you whether you're on an alpha or a beta
[01:01] <thewrath> where can i find what all the bug status' mean./ i dont see it at the top bruce89
[01:01] <Riesh> Hmmm, OK thanks guy for this explenation
[01:01] <maxb> At some point in the next ~24 hours or thereabouts, I'd expect a sudden burst of updates when the freeze is lifted :-)
[01:01] <joerlend_> I just visited cdimage.u-c to look for beta images, and I found only DVDs for i386 and 64bit.. Are CD images on their way, or have they been dropped?
[01:01] <Cycom> I still can't get anyone to confirm my bug.
[01:01] <danbeck> confirmed
[01:01] <Riesh> s/guy/guys :-)
[01:01] <bruce89> thewrath: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses
[01:01] <Cycom> joerlend_: check the mirror in the /topic rather than whichever one you're on.
[01:01] <cwillu> Cycom, what bug?
[01:01] <Xisdibik> dtchen: by any chance did your fix for the sound get put into the beta?
[01:01] <thewrath> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses
[01:01] <Cycom> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/343067
[01:02] <dan457> Xisdibik, no it did not.
[01:02] <joerlend_> Cycom: ah. Thanks :) It's weird, though, that cdimage.ubuntu.com has all other types of images but cd images? :)
[01:02] <Xisdibik> dan457: will it be in the final release? :p
[01:02] <Cycom> joerlend_: that's what I said! LjL take note! :)
[01:03] <LjL> Cycom: i don't make the website, i just make the TOPIC :P
[01:03] <Cycom> cwillu: I was a little bothered that all I could get was a "works fine here"
[01:03] <r0b> is the beta out yet?
[01:03] <HolyScottie> topic
[01:03] <joerlend_> r0b: yes.
[01:03] <dan457> Xisdibik, I'm sure it will be in one of the updates soon.  I just downloaded and installed his myself so i'm technicaly running a newer kernel than the beta.
[01:04] <cwillu> Cycom, set the status back to new or confirmed if you need more information from the people who asked you for more information
[01:04] <dan457> My sound is clearer with his kernel update
[01:05] <Xisdibik> dan457: have you by any chance noticed any graphical bugs with the beta/alpha?
[01:05] <Xisdibik> most prominant in Skype
[01:05] <cwillu> Cycom, that said, investigate the synaptic for packages that might be related to the line "missing plugin:  ..."
[01:05] <thewrath> dan457: what kernal update
[01:05] <dan457> Xisdibik, I don't use skype here, but on one intel laptop some... on my other boxes, none.
[01:05] <thewrath> that one that ocmes iwht 9.04 beta
[01:05] <Cycom> cwillu: the person who needed more information suggested I assign it to upstream and then appears to have unsubscribed.
[01:06] <cwillu> Cycom, doesn't change what you need to do
[01:06] <Halow> Xisdibik: What kind of graphical bugs? I use Skype (sometimes).
[01:06] <dan457> thewrath, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[01:06] <Cycom> cwillu: the missing plugin problem only appears with gstreamer, and appears unrelated, since totem-xine plays the dvd fine.
[01:07] <Xisdibik> Halow: when i bring up a chat window from being minimized to panel,  some of the text is distoryed into lines (looks like someone had fun with the eraser+paint tool or something from gimp
[01:07] <thewrath> oh ok
[01:07] <Xisdibik> Halow: reminimizing/maximizing doesnt fix it, but scrolling up past it, and back down does.
[01:07] <thewrath> dan457: my audio in 9.04 will work through headphoens only and not through the computer speakers
[01:07] <cwillu> Cycom, so what?
[01:07] <thewrath> would that fix it?
[01:07] <cwillu> Cycom, xine is the workaround, and I'm telling you that it seems like the plugin issue might be related to the core of the problem
[01:07] <cwillu> Cycom, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[01:07] <dan457> thewrath,  not sure if your bug was included in that fix.  would not hurt to try it.
[01:07] <Cycom> cwillu: and medibuntu.
[01:08] <Halow> Xisdibik: Hm. That's not happened to me. I've only noticed the notification area icon acts funny.
[01:08] <dan457> thewrath, it fixed some stactic and poping for me here.  (ati/intel HD audio)
[01:08] <Xisdibik> Halow: that happens if you use Black as the background color (even if u have an image overlayed on top),  try changing it to blue or some other color, should fix it
[01:09] <Halow> Xisdibik: It tends to borrow from surrounding icons for me, no matter what panel color I use (which is usually transparent).
[01:09] <Xisdibik> Halow: not the panel color, the background color of the desktop, i know what u mean abot borrowing icons from the side, happened to me all the time in Linux Mint
[01:10] <josh-l> is ext4 pretty solid?
[01:10] <Xisdibik> Halow: and someone told me to try changing the background color, and it seemed to solve it, and havnt had the prob elsewhere
[01:10] <dan457> I wouldn't trust it to a mission critcal box yet
[01:11] <Halow> Xisdibik: Ah. I see. I've tried it with the default theme, but even that acts funny. I've never seen that icon behave with the large array of backgrounds I've thrown at it.
[01:11] <josh-l> dan457, how about for a desktop box
[01:11] <Xisdibik> Halow: id take the notification bug anyday over text in the chat boxes being distorted and unreadable sometimes ;D
[01:11] <dan457> josh-l, ya, it works ok enough for your desktop.
[01:11] <Xisdibik> Halow: though i am running on a netbook, so maybe its just a driver bug?
[01:12] <josh-l> cool good to know i'll be using it when i reinstall jaunty then dan457
[01:12] <Halow> Xisdibik: Could be! I blame Skype anyway. ;)
[01:12] <dan457> josh-l, make sure you reinstall grub if updating or you cannot boot ext4
[01:13] <dan457> josh-l, clean install of course not an issue.
[01:13] <josh-l> dan457, I was just going to install ext4 from first install, is that not possible yet?
[01:13] <Xisdibik> dan457: ext4 is bootable now?
[01:14] <dan457> Xisdibik, yes, with the new grub.
[01:14] <dan457> Xisdibik, from alpha5 or beta disk.
[01:14] <r0b> the update-manager -d doesnt show the beta upgrade option?
[01:14] <Xisdibik> im getting the beta iso as we speak D:
[01:14] <josh-l> dan457, so from a clean install it will boot right up (clean install from beta?)
[01:14] <dan457> Xisdibik, then you are fine.
[01:14] <dan457> josh-l, yes
[01:14] <josh-l> ah cool
[01:15] <cwillu> Xisdibik, yes, grub grew ext4 support
[01:15] <dan457> josh-l, I had ext4 booting fine a couple apha's ago
[01:15] <josh-l> sweet
[01:16] <Xisdibik> dan457: you been seeing noticible speedup from having boot be ext4?
[01:16] <dan457> This box is still ext3, I have 1 ext4, and the rest boot XLS
[01:16] <Halow> Been booting ext4 since I started playing with the alphas (a4).
[01:16] <dan457> Xisdibik, its a bit faster.  not huge for me though.
[01:16] <cwillu> dan457, you boot off excel spreadsheets? :p
[01:16] <Cycom> is there a way to disable gvfs-acrhive backend?
[01:17] <dan457> oops.. lol
[01:17] <r0b> how do i upgrade to the beta from the alpha, update-manager -d doesnt show the upgrade option to beta?
[01:17] <Xisdibik> lolol
[01:17] <cwillu> r0b, the beta is the same release as the alpha, if you update in update-manager, then you're running the beta
[01:17] <Xisdibik> cwillu: Spreadsheets are the new thing, get with the program  ;)
[01:17] <maxb> r0b: alpha -> beta is not a distribution upgrade, it's just some updates
[01:17] <JanPeter> so the only differences between the alpha6 and beta= cloud computing and mail servers?
[01:18] <r0b> ok then i didnt get any updates, whats up with that
[01:18] <JanPeter> I haven't had anything on my update manager in days either..
[01:18] <dan457> XFS is what I ment to say earlier
[01:18] <cwillu> JanPeter, because we've been in freeze for the beta, only critical bug fixes are being allowed until after the beta is released (i.e., just now), so that the beta is in a known-good condition
[01:19] <josh-l> whats your download rates from torrent right now?
[01:19] <dan457> 400kps
[01:19] <danbeck> anyone in here with a mini9 having any luck with the beta?
[01:19] <tuxxy__> what has the beta been released
[01:19] <JanPeter> looks like im keeping alpha 6 til april
[01:19] <dan457> About to be seeding... going to leave that up for a wile.
[01:20] <josh-l> dan457, ubuntu, or a variation
[01:20] <cwillu> JanPeter, reread what I just said to r0b
[01:20] <JanPeter> yeah i heard
[01:20] <dan457> josh-l, the main CD's.. 32 and 64 bit
[01:20] <cwillu> so, if you've updated, then you're running the beta
[01:20] <JanPeter> i meant beta i guess
[01:20] <JanPeter> but not a huge difference
[01:20] <r0b> no updates http://pastebin.com/m93cc38b
[01:20] <tuxxy__> why do I have no updates
[01:20] <r0b> shouldnt there be updates from alpha to beta?
[01:20] <JanPeter> because technically the beta was reached a few days ago
[01:21] <cwillu> r0b, you already got them, the last time you updated
[01:21] <cwillu> things slow down the days before a release, they don't speed up
[01:21] <josh-l> dan457, dvds right
[01:21]  * crdlb wonders why there are so many first-timers this cycle :P
[01:21] <crdlb> was intrepid really that bad?
[01:21] <dan457> josh-l, no the CD's
[01:22] <cwillu> no, it was that good, and we're gaining market share :p
[01:22] <josh-l> dan457, i dont see them available
[01:22] <dan457> josh-l, then you are looking at the wrong site
[01:22] <cwillu> josh-l, don't go looking for images on cdimage.ubuntu, that's not where they are
[01:22] <cwillu> read the topic :)
[01:22] <dan457> josh-l, http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[01:22] <JanPeter> been messing with ubuntu for years, just never stayed with it for more than a few months before checking out other distros
[01:22] <Hobbsee> crdlb: i presume it's because of the new notifications, or something.  or just general bling
[01:24] <bruce89> funny, as I find it all rather painful
[01:24] <crdlb> heh, 600KB up 150KB down :(
[01:30] <dan457> i386 down, amd64 to go......
[01:44] <sagredo> anyone get compiz working on 9.04?
[01:44] <dan457> Yes
[01:44] <sagredo> dan, can you advise me as to how
[01:44] <scream> How do I Alpha 6 -> Beta
[01:44] <sagredo> ?
[01:44] <scream> Upgrade that way?
[01:45] <cwillu> scream, have you updated recently?
[01:45] <bruce89> arggh
[01:45] <cwillu> scream, if so, then you're on the beta
[01:45] <dan457> sagredo, just turned it on and it worked for me.  lol
[01:45] <cwillu> scream, your penance will be to stick around here for 10 minutes, and answer that same question once per minute :p
[01:45] <sagredo> dan457: nice
[01:45] <dan457> running nvidio here though
[01:45] <dan457> nvidia
[01:46] <sagredo> nice
[01:46] <cwillu> ne2k is a 10mbit card, isn't it?
[01:46] <scream> cwillu, my system is up to date then, I'm beta.
[01:46] <scream> I'll make an alias to answer the question.\
[01:46] <dan457> Yes scream
[01:47] <scream> brb
[01:47] <JanPeter> they could mention something with the release notes about alpha -> beta
[01:47] <JanPeter> only makes sense..
[01:47] <dan457> All my boxes are beta now.  just downloading the CD's for my case.....
[01:48] <bruce89> they just assume people understand
[01:49] <dan457> most of the time I install from usb.  faster, more reliable, and I can add the updates already....
[01:49] <dan457> bruce89, but with a growing user base, always plenty of new ppl. who don't know...
[01:50] <bruce89> dan457: it's been that way for 4.5 years now
[01:50] <dan457> This is the most stable pre-release i've seen in a wile.  I'm sure a lot more will be tempted to grab it than usual.
[01:51]  * bruce89 just hopes people realise that auto-launching is crazy
[01:51] <lifi> were there any updates since beta release?
[01:51] <JanPeter> no
[01:51] <billybigrigger> lol beta release was what? an hour ago?
[01:51] <dan457> lifi, no wait a day or 2 and you will see updates again
[01:51]  * cwillu hopes that nobody listens to bruce89
[01:52]  * JanPeter listens carefully
[01:52]  * bruce89 doesn't say anything,
[01:52]  * cwillu doesn't either
[01:52]  * cwillu listens to the crickets
[01:52]  * dan457 is just sitting here watching ppl leach .....
[01:53]  * cwillu whittles a jackalope out of his stick
[01:53]  * cwillu wonders why jackalope isn't in jaunty's dictionary
[01:53] <bruce89> although I will say random windows appearing is not a good thing
[01:54] <dan457> lol, good point
[01:54]  * cwillu pokes bruce89 with a jackalope
[01:54] <cwillu> bruce89, ... in the background
[01:54] <cwillu> with a nice pulsating taskbar entry requesting attention, with clear and easy to understand words explaining the situation
[01:54] <crdlb> cwillu: only through a non-standard interpretation of the EWMH :)
[01:55] <cwillu> shush you :p
[01:55] <crdlb> there is on requirement that no-focus-on-map actaully put the windowin the background
[01:55] <crdlb> s/on/no/
[01:56] <cwillu> although there's no other sane way to handle it
[01:56] <bruce89> turning the window list into another notification area seems rather pointless also
[01:56] <Cycom> what controls how gvfs handles files, and which files it handles?
[01:56] <Cycom> I'm trying to figure out why isos are automounted.
[01:56] <cwillu> hal
[01:56] <cwillu> is responsible for that
[01:56] <JanPeter> i cant do that for you dave
[01:57] <cwillu> but, boot off a live cd (or a live usb image), and verify your problem exists there as well
[01:57] <Cycom> cwillu: does this include mouting of isos though?
[01:57] <crdlb> nautilus actually does it afaik
[01:57] <dtchen> Xisdibik: no, it's queued in the next linux upload
[01:57] <jtisme> today is 3/26 does anyone know why the daily-live image has a date of 3/24 i think it should be 3/25 or was it not made last night
[01:58] <bruce89> GVFS's libarchive support to be technical
[01:58] <JanPeter> nope earlier
[01:58] <dan457> there was no daily made after the freeze
[01:58] <jtisme> dan457, oh, so what if anything is being made
[01:59] <thewrath> how r the servers doing
[01:59] <dan457> jtisme, daily builds and updates should resume tomorrow.
[01:59] <Cycom> crdlb: cwillu: bruce89: basically, if I open a dvd image in totem, it mounts it to .gvfs and doesn't play it.  It would play in 8.10.  If I open it with rythmbox (even though it's a DVD) it mounts it.  if I open it with vlc, it plays as a DVD. Archive Mounter mounts it, Archive Manager treats it like an archive and doesn't mount it.
[01:59] <Cycom> I just want to be able to play my isos like I could in 8.10 :)
[01:59] <jtisme> dan457, where is that release sched at url
[01:59] <crdlb> Cycom: oh, I misread
[01:59] <bruce89> Cycom: I see
[02:00] <crdlb> nautilus has nothing to do with that :)
[02:00] <crdlb> nor does hal
[02:00] <Cycom> crdlb: ok, so that eliminates one program :)
[02:00] <Cycom> crdlb: two even!
[02:00] <Doctor_Nick> iim downloading the ubuntu beta RIGHT NOW
[02:00] <Doctor_Nick> IM SO excited!!!!
[02:00] <JanPeter> why
[02:00] <crdlb> I didn't know gstreamer was capable of playing a dvd image
[02:00] <Cycom> crdlb: the actual mounting is done by gvfsd-archive as far as I can tell. moving it to gvfsd-archive.old means that it no longer mounts the iso.  It still doesn't play in totem.
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: yup, as of 8.10.
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: totem-gstreamer and totem-xine both work, though I prefer xine because it has better menu support.
[02:01] <Cycom> crdlb: 9.04 seems to have broken that feature.
[02:01] <bruce89> well, GVFS would mount it, then totem would play the mounted data
[02:01] <crdlb> well, xine means no gvfs, probably
[02:01] <Cycom> bruce89: only it doesn't.
[02:01] <bruce89> not as such
[02:02] <bruce89> Cycom: where's the bug?
[02:02] <Cycom> crdlb: only if you use totem-xine, and do a file open, it does indeed mount the iso.
[02:02] <Cycom> bruce89: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/343067
[02:02] <crdlb> Cycom: right, but xine cannot natively use GIO
[02:02] <crdlb> so ithas to happen via the FUSE mount in ~/.gvfs
[02:02] <Cycom> crdlb: it didn't have to mount it with fuse or gvfs in 8.10.
[02:03] <Cycom> crdlb: heck, totem-xine would play stuff from sftp network share mounted in .gvfs just fine.
[02:03] <crdlb> yeah, xine can probably play dvd image directly, that's not surpising
[02:03] <crdlb> indeed, because of the fuse mount
[02:03] <crdlb> but it works far better to have native GIO
[02:04] <crdlb> anyway, file a bug I guess :)
[02:04] <bruce89> upstreaming would be useful
[02:04] <crdlb> oh, you did :P
[02:04] <bruce89> although it's difficult to see which package is causing this
[02:05] <dan457> sorry jtisme was afk... is the what you were looking for:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[02:05] <Cycom> crdlb: in 9.04 if you do totem-xine dvd://<path-to-image> it plays fine as well.  It's only with the file open dialog, or if I just do totem-xine <path-to-dvd> without the dvd://
[02:05] <Cycom> bruce89: yeah. upstream it to where? I'm trying to figure out where this stuff is controlled.  I can't find anything useful in /etc.
[02:06] <bruce89> GNOME
[02:06] <bruce89> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
[02:06] <Cycom> upstream it to gnome?
[02:06] <bruce89> mind, you'll need to know what package is causing it
[02:08] <Cycom> bruce89: how can I find that out?
[02:08] <bruce89> not sure really
[02:08] <Cycom> bruce89: the closest I've gotten is that gvfsd-archive is what mounts the iso.
[02:08] <jtisme> dan457, thanks
[02:08] <bruce89> currently could be totem, gvfs or gio
[02:09] <Cycom> bruce89: rythmbox does the same thing.
[02:09] <bruce89> ah, what occurs (error messages)
[02:09] <Cycom> none.
[02:10] <Cycom> it mounts it to the desktop and does nothing else.
[02:10] <bruce89> well, clearly it's totem's fault
[02:10] <bruce89> or not
[02:10] <crdlb> haha, totem even mounts my jaunty beta iso that just finished :D
[02:11] <Cycom> crdlb: see?! I'm NOT crazy!  I want to know what the guy who said "works fine here" and set the priority to low was running.
[02:13] <bruce89> perhaps bug readers can't cope with long and well written descriptions
[02:14] <crdlb> Cycom: try gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///path/to/image
[02:14] <Cycom> bruce89: in all seriousness, was I missing anything? was there anything I should've done that I missed so far?
[02:14] <crdlb> with that gvfs-archive thingy in place
[02:16] <bruce89> Cycom: seems fine to me
[02:17] <Cycom> bruce89: What seems fine to you?
[02:17] <bruce89> the bug descriptiom
[02:18] <Cycom> crdlb: ERROR: Pipeline doesn't want to pause.  ERROR: from element /GstPlayBin:playbin0/GstGnomeVFSSrc:source: Resource not found.
[02:18] <bruce89> gnome-vfs?
[02:19] <crdlb> that's my thought as well
[02:19] <bruce89> now we're getting somewhere
[02:19] <crdlb> why is ubuntu even installing that?
[02:19] <bruce89> some things still use it
[02:19] <crdlb> pfft
[02:19] <Cycom> btw, the gvfsd-archive file is in /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-archive
[02:19] <Cycom> exactly the same as 8.10
[02:20] <crdlb> Cycom: uninstall gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs and try again
[02:21] <Cycom> crdlb: that removes totem-gstreamer too, fyi
[02:21] <crdlb> bah
[02:21] <crdlb> has totem not been ported yet? :/
[02:21] <bruce89> that's a bogus dependency
[02:22] <Cycom> crdlb: same error, also ent:typefind:could not determine type of stream
[02:22] <Cycom> I think that was there before and I just missed it.
[02:23] <Cycom> yeah, could not determine type of stream is there with gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs installed too.
[02:24] <Cycom> crdlb: if I change file:// to dvd:// it works though.
[02:25] <crdlb> yeah, but totem can't know to do that
[02:25] <Cycom> what, cast it as dvd?
[02:25] <bruce89> that's a xine thing
[02:27] <Cycom> it doesn't play well, but it plays.  If I do the dvd:// thing that is.
[02:27] <Cycom> doing dvd:// in totem-xine works fine, playback is smooth and I have menus.
[02:28] <crdlb> gstreamer hasn't had dvdnav support since 0.8, afaik
[02:29] <bruce89> crdlb: a new DVD plugin has been written
[02:29] <Cycom> if I do open location with dvd:// preceeding it, it also works fine.
[02:30] <crdlb> bruce89: with nav?
[02:30] <bruce89> yup, gst-inspect-0.10 resindvd
[02:30] <crdlb> cool
[02:31] <crdlb> it took long enough ...
[02:31] <bruce89> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/wiki/DvdPlayback
[02:31] <Cycom> I'd say the heck with it if my multimedia buttons worked in vlc, but they don't.
[02:31] <bruce89> Totem needs to support deinterlacing in the gstreamer backend, GST can do it anyway
[02:32] <Cycom> bruce89: totem-xine has deinterlacing, which is part of why I use it.
[02:32] <Cycom> menus work in totem-gstreamer for dvds in 8.10.
[02:32]  * crdlb generally doesn't watch interlaced videos
[02:33] <bruce89> I know, but GStreamer can do deinterlacing
[02:33] <crdlb> can it? last I saw those deinterlace plugins didn't really work well
[02:34] <bruce89> seems to have been fixed in trunk
[02:34] <Cycom> is there a way to get VLC to support the X keys for ff, rw, play, pause, etc.?
[02:35] <bruce89> or at least Totem uses playbin2 now
[02:36] <Cycom> I find it a bit worriesome that I can't find much in the way of docs on how the whole gvfs deal works, and what controls what it mounts.
[02:36] <bruce89> it mounts stuff when it's needed
[02:37] <Cycom> how does it determine when it's needed?
[02:37] <Cycom> what controls that?
[02:37] <bruce89> GTK+ in this case probably
[02:38] <bruce89> in the case from the filechooser
[02:38] <crdlb> the only thing the filechooser does is give it the uri
[02:38] <crdlb> in this case
[02:40] <clearscreen> I just upgraded from intrepid to jaunty. had some problems with nvidia drivers not being installed for new kernel.. got that solved... I'm now typing this from pidgin that automatically popped up, but oddly my gnome bars are missing and I cant rightclick my desktop. Help! :P
[02:40] <crdlb> awesome, it works
[02:41] <clearscreen> seems like something is going wrong with gdm, although the borders around pidgin are properly decorated etc
[02:41] <Cycom> crdlb: what works?
[02:41] <crdlb> dvdnav
[02:41] <cwillu> clearscreen, not gdm if x shows up and you can log in
[02:41] <bruce89> clearscreen: killall gnome-panel
[02:41] <cwillu> clearscreen, ctrl-alt-f2 work?
[02:41] <crdlb> also, my optical drive
[02:41] <clearscreen> cwillu: yup
[02:41] <histo> !info sdlmame jaunty
[02:41] <crdlb> which I thought might be toast
[02:41] <clearscreen> i can switch tty
[02:44] <Cycom> crdlb: :) yeah, but what about poor me stuck on 8.10 on my netbooks because they don't HAVE an optical drive and I can't play ISO images in totem in jaunty? Q_Q
[02:44] <cwillu> clearscreen, DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal from a tty, then switch back
[02:44] <clearscreen> bruce89: no process killed
[02:44] <bruce89> clearscreen: ah
[02:44] <crdlb> Cycom: mencoder
[02:44] <clearscreen> cwillu: failed to contact gconf daemon, exiting
[02:44] <crdlb> oh, wait netbook processor :P
[02:44] <clearscreen> wut
[02:44] <Cycom> crdlb: but I WANT special features :)
[02:44] <crdlb> Cycom: do it on your 16-core desktop then copy it over
[02:44] <crdlb> Cycom: weak
[02:44] <Cycom> crdlb: besides, it's a regression! It works in 8.10!
[02:44] <crdlb> I don't disagree
[02:44] <bruce89> no matter what, GStreamer's doing something stupid
[02:44] <cwillu> Cycom, then file the bug :p
[02:44]  * crdlb is now watching the first DVD he saw ... Office Space
[02:45] <Cycom> cwillu: I did. It got set to low priority by a guy who asked for more info, said "works fine here" and then seems to have unsubscribed himself.
[02:45] <cwillu> you know you've got a slow network when lzop isn't maxing out the cpu keeping up on a 400mhz processor
[02:45] <cwillu> Cycom, and have you done what I told you yet?
[02:45] <cwillu> Cycom, setting it back to 'new' or 'confirmed'?
[02:45] <Cycom> cwillu: upstreamed it?
[02:45] <Cycom> cwillu: yes. but I also tried talking to some people in here to see if I could figure it out myself.
[02:47] <Cycom> cwillu: crdlb and bruce89 were kind enough to help me troubleshoot it so I could refine my report.
[02:47] <bruce89> even though we probably just confused the situation
[02:47] <Cycom> bruce89: still better than "works fine here"
[02:47] <Cycom> at least you confirmed the behavior!
[02:48] <clearscreen> don't want to be annoying, but how the hell is it that my gconf daemon isn't running, gconf2 is installed according to aptitude
[02:52] <Cycom> dtchen: did those jacksense fixes go into the latest kernel release?
[02:52] <Cycom> dtchen: or do I still need to download your custom kernel?
[02:53] <dtchen> no, i have not submitted them, because they are incomplete
[02:53] <Cycom> dtchen: K!
[02:53] <dtchen> they appear to only enable the hp jack but not the internal speakers
[02:53] <cwillu> Cycom, try mkdir ~/gst.old; mv ~/.gstreamer* ~/gst.old; sudo gst-inspect-0.10
[02:55] <Cycom> cwillu: you want the output from gst-inspect in pastebin?
[02:56] <cwillu> Cycom, sure, and then try the iso again
[02:57] <Cycom> cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/138678/
[02:58] <Cycom> opening the iso still mounts instead of playing.
[03:03] <clearscreen> Not making any sense :( http://pastebin.com/d16daa4d6
[03:05] <Cycom> oooh. also worth noting: the files inside of the mounted iso all have ;1 after their filename. so for example in folder VIDEO_TS is VIDEO_TS.BUP;1, VIDEO_TS.VOB;1, etc. etc.
[03:05] <aretg> hey guys, when i run pidgin, the regular pidgin icon doesn't appear in the notification area, only the new indicator icon
[03:09] <cwillu> bug #299956
[03:10] <histo> Trying to upgrade a server with the do-release-upgrade command and its notworking as the release notes say it should be?
[03:10] <histo> Errr... not really a server just a command line system.
[03:10] <clearscreen> Apparently this person had the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1065351&highlight=gconfd-2
[03:13] <m_tadeu__> hi all
[03:13] <m_tadeu__> I have no sound on flash videos under firefox
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> whats with the support message
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> "Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED, it will most certainly break your system in bad ways."
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> ...
[03:25] <Halow> It's still beta and in a testing phase.
[03:25] <Halow> And can/will mess you up.
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> ya but still
[03:25] <jauntyJOL> no need to be that cynical... mine runs just fine
[03:26] <Halow> :) Not everyone's so lucky.
[03:26] <jauntyJOL> lol
[03:26] <jauntyJOL> the new pidgen seems nice
[03:27] <o0Chris0o> 2.25?
[03:27] <jauntyJOL> n i love the notify, the install was easy and i have only few suggestions
[03:27] <jauntyJOL> not sure
[03:28] <SandGorgon> does it play nice with nVidia? I have a go7400 laptop...
[03:29] <jauntyJOL> i have ati, sry. it seems nice with mine
[03:29] <tuxxy__> nvidia is great
[03:29] <darthanubis> so is pulse still borked for you guys after beta release?
[03:30] <SandGorgon> is skype working for anyone - need it for work?
[03:30] <darthanubis> skype works for me
[03:30] <darthanubis> but pulse is broken
[03:30] <tomsdale> SandGorgon: no problem on kubuntu for me.
[03:30] <cwillu> SandGorgon, if you need a machine for work, you definitely shouldn't be running jaunty yet
[03:30] <darthanubis> and I stopped using skype to rid myself of any 32bitlibs
[03:30] <SandGorgon> cwillu: itchy fingers....
[03:31] <dtchen> darthanubis: should be fine after the next linux upload.
[03:31] <darthanubis> !pulse
[03:31] <tomsdale> darthanubis: there is also a 64bit version.
[03:31] <darthanubis> dtchen, thanks
[03:31] <tomsdale> !skype
[03:31] <SandGorgon> damn... i'm getting no peers on kubuntu alternate ISO
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: thats great news, they are gonna use incorporate your patch I take it?
[03:32] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: already merged
[03:32] <cwillu> SandGorgon, okay, but you don't see how unwise that is?  "I need this program to work, or I can't do my job" == make sure you've got good backups and a second working machine before you should even think about upgrading
[03:32] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: cool
[03:34] <SandGorgon> cwillu: usually i have all my work on VMs.. so as long as virtualbox works I am fine - skype is sorely needed for communication. and as I said again... cant resist getting da shiny !
[03:34] <crdlb> don't say we didn't warn you
[03:34] <cwillu> SandGorgon, so run it in a virtual machine
[03:34] <cwillu> or hell, run _skype_ in a virtual machine
[03:35] <crdlb> run a jaunty in a virtual machine in a virtual machine!
[03:35] <cwillu> but don't upgrade without a fallback position
[03:35] <SandGorgon> cwillu: same issues as running it native...
[03:35] <crdlb> SandGorgon: hardly
[03:36] <cwillu> SandGorgon, let me put it this way:  in your situation, I wouldn't upgrade until the first sru's hit after release, at the earliest
[03:37] <Cycom> SandGorgon: don't do it.
[03:37] <cwillu> and even then, I'd be hesitant
[03:37] <Cycom> SandGorgon: stick with 8.10. 9.04 isn't that much more shiny.
[03:37] <Cycom> SandGorgon: certainly not enough to risk your ability to do your work.
[03:37] <cwillu> hell, dual boot it
[03:39] <Cycom> SandGorgon: I had jaunty eat my home folder because I ran ext4.  it's still rough around the edges.
[03:39] <darthanubis> I do find jaunty more pleasant ot look at with the scalable fonts
[03:39] <darthanubis> what kernel is jaunty using now?
[03:39] <darthanubis> 2.6.8-11?
[03:39] <SandGorgon> Cycom: oh... there's no way i'm gonna run ext4 - i am clear on that.
[03:40] <SandGorgon> darthanubis: do try the Droid fonts... u'll love them
[03:40] <Cycom> SandGorgon: you'll just run all the other BETA QUALITY SOFTWARE on your VERY IMPORTANT SYSTEM, right?
[03:41] <darthanubis> SandGorgon, ttf-droid pacakge?
[03:41] <SandGorgon> darthanubis: yup
[03:42] <ultratek> i just upgraded to ubuntu 9.04 beta and what do i do to get the ati drivers working for my hd 4850 under recovery mode..which tells my soemthing once i try to install over the last setup that it is incompatiable or something?
[03:43] <cwillu> """Upgrading a desktop system using an ATI video chipset with the fglrx binary-only driver may result in a warning that the driver needs to be replaced. There is a bug in the driver replacement logic, so if you see this prompt, please cancel the upgrade until this is fixed, which will happen immediately after the beta release. """
[03:43] <cwillu> from the beta release notes
[03:44] <ultratek> oops
[03:44] <ultratek> well guess iam stuck not booting ubuntu til april 23?
[03:45] <cwillu> should be able to revert to vesa, or maybe even just get the fglrx installed from the terminal by hand
[03:45] <ultratek> what is the cmd to get the default driver back?
[03:46] <cwillu> ultratek, I think you can just boot off the recovery kernel and run xfix
[03:46] <cwillu> failing that, setting xorg to use vesa should work
[03:46] <ultratek> cwillu, ixfix did not work...how would i tell xorg to use vesa from shell prompt
[03:47] <cwillu> ultratek, use the VESA driver by logging into a text console, running "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", and adding the line Driver "vesa" to the Device section.
[03:48] <cwillu> and read the release notes next time :p
[03:48] <ultratek> k ty
[03:48] <ultratek> =)
[03:49]  * cwillu suggests that the download link be hidden in the "known issues" section
[03:51]  * dan457 agrees
[03:57] <ultratek> cwillu, adding vesa did not fix it
[03:57] <o0Chris0o> I'm having issues networking with 2 Windows xp machines I see them in the network, but unable to connect
[03:58] <cwillu> ultratek, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.0.log files
[03:58] <cwillu> ultratek, apt-get install pastebinit
[03:58] <cwillu> to do that
[03:59] <ultratek> well i am on dual boot on windows now
[03:59] <ultratek> cwillu,
[03:59] <dan457> I'm having issues with samba as well, but nothing I cannot work around for now...
[04:00] <dan457> mostly the samba client.. server seems ok.
[04:01] <cwillu> ultratek, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide might have useful information, I haven't tried it though
[04:01] <ultratek> cwillu, ty
[04:01] <armegadon> hi guys, is anyone getting weird fonts in jaunty beta?
[04:02] <cwillu> armegadon, huge or tiny?
[04:02] <armegadon> cwillu, a tiny bit smaller but distorted
[04:02] <cwillu> k, don't know then
[04:03] <cwillu> might want to post a screenshot to help explain though
[04:03] <cwillu> !imagebin
[04:04] <calc> armegadon: at some point jaunty defaulted back to 96 dpi
[04:04] <calc> due to bugs that couldn't be fixed in time for release, aiui karmic will go back to native dpi
[04:04] <armegadon> calc, do you know what the default was in intrepid?
[04:05] <calc> armegadon: intrepid default was hardcoded 96dpi which is what jaunty is now
[04:05] <billybigrigger> what is native dpi?
[04:05] <cwillu> billybigrigger, the native resolution of your screen
[04:05] <crdlb> the number of dots per inch in your actual monitor
[04:05] <billybigrigger> well i meant what was default dpi
[04:05] <billybigrigger> set to
[04:06] <crdlb> the idea is that fonts should be sized identically on all screens
[04:06] <billybigrigger> lol
[04:06] <billybigrigger> i know what dpi is
[04:06] <billybigrigger> what was the default value set to
[04:06] <cwillu> he just said:  96
[04:06] <billybigrigger> 96 is huge
[04:06] <crdlb> I don't think you do
[04:06] <crdlb> 96 is the hardcoded default
[04:06] <armegadon> calc, i didn't have any problems in intrepid, fonts were normal
[04:06] <crdlb> but for the brief period where it wasn't hardcoded, it was determined by your monitor
[04:07] <armegadon> cwillu, calc, here is a screenshot http://i43.tinypic.com/316rqfs.png
[04:09] <calc> billybigrigger: 96 isn't huge, most desktop monitors are roughly that dpi
[04:09] <calc> billybigrigger: we aren't talking about font pt size, we are talking about dpi (dots per inch)
[04:09] <billybigrigger> 96 looks like garbage on this laptop, i have laptop and my desktop both set to 80 iirc
[04:09] <billybigrigger> omg, i know what dpi is
[04:10] <billybigrigger> can you explain what dpi is to me one more time? i dont think i understand
[04:10] <calc> setting it to anything other than 96 until the bugs are fixed is a bit dumb, when the bugs are fixed it should be set to what the screen actually is, then just change the size of the fonts
[04:10] <calc> 72 pt is supposed to equal 1 inch
[04:10] <crdlb> I don't think you understand that you're not supposed to change the value
[04:10] <billybigrigger> nope, i did not know there was a bug against it
[04:10] <billybigrigger> anyone have the bug # handy?
[04:11] <calc> armegadon: not sure what font problem you are seeing in that screenshot?
[04:11] <billybigrigger> maybe i'll change back to 96
[04:11] <calc> billybigrigger: lots of bugs, each application has to use dpi numbers properly
[04:11] <armegadon> calc, i really don't know how to explain it, they're all just "off"
[04:11] <billybigrigger> armegadon, screenshot looks ok to me, but maybe im missing something
[04:11] <calc> armegadon: i'm not certain but it looks like font hinting might be off for you?
[04:12] <armegadon> calc, i tried changing the different hinting options, there are 4, none of them worked :/
[04:12] <calc> armegadon: hmm, not sure what the issue is, you could try filing a bug and see if the firefox guy can determine what is up
[04:14] <billybigrigger> 96 dpi with fonts all set to 10pt look terrible
[04:14] <billybigrigger> at least for me
[04:14] <calc> looks fine on my system which has native 125dpi
[04:15] <calc> i'm using the 96dpi setting though so i don't see bugs
[04:16] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.org/43247
[04:16] <billybigrigger> thats 96dpi 10pt 1440x900
[04:24] <un2him> i cannot share folders on ntfs partition using jaunty beta...help!
[04:26] <dan457> set it manualy in samba.conf maybe?
[04:26] <un2him> dan457: ok, i will try it
[04:33]  * DanaG sets his 147DPI LCD to use.... 147 DPI.
[04:33] <DanaG> =
[04:33] <DanaG> =P
[04:33] <dan457> :-)
[04:34] <dan457> I upgraded this box wile the auto dpi option was still on, so at leaste one of my monitors is set
[04:34] <dan457> The other one (old crt) is still default though
[04:34] <DanaG> Why'd they turn it off?  It seems whe shall forever be stuck in the world of people thinking, "oh, to change font size, I should change DPI!"
[04:34] <DanaG> Wrong, Wrong, WRONG.
[04:35] <DanaG> =P
[04:35] <dan457> Bugs
[04:35] <dan457> I'm sure they will get it working again
[04:35] <DanaG> I haven't noticed any significant DPI-scaling bugs.
[04:35] <DanaG> Oh yeah, many desktop LCDs are around 88 DPI
[04:35] <dan457> Nor I, but prob didn't effect my driver...
[04:36]  * DanaG is using radeon.
[04:36] <dan457> nvidia here.  binary driver of course
[04:36] <DanaG> Weirdest LCD EDID I've ever seen: in a Toshiba, one that called itself 966x768.
[04:36] <DanaG> Yes, 966.  Somebody at Toshiba must've been drunk when coding that one up.
[04:36] <dan457> hmm
[04:36] <DanaG> Screws up even the Windows drivers!
[04:36] <dan457> I bet.
[04:37]  * DanaG is using radeon on his RV635.
[04:37] <DanaG> Works nicely for the things it does do so far.
[04:38] <dan457> build in video is ati, but sucked so bad with 9 that I went out and bought the nvidia 9800
[04:38] <dan457> Was ok with 8.10 though
[04:38] <DanaG> ...unlike fglrx, that merely panics.
[04:38] <dan457> Well, not true.
[04:38] <DanaG> For me, nvidia binary is sometimes unreliable.
[04:38] <dan457> Video playback sucked there.
[04:38] <DanaG> With fglrx, ANY and ALL versions newer than 8.543 cause a kernel panic.
[04:39] <dan457> I may pull the video card later and put it in a different box once ATI binary is working better.
[04:39] <dan457> On the other hand... running 2 monitors is growing on me.
[04:40] <calc> binary drivers are yuck :)
[04:40] <dan457> Now if they just fix the keyboard repeat issue resetting X when I run more than one screen......
[04:41]  * DanaG is in Windows right now; wanna' reboot to Linux now.
[04:43] <ultratek> cwillu, well got it up and running
[04:44] <ultratek> cwillu, so i cannot use the proprietary drivers for now?
[04:44] <ultratek> cwillu, i pasetbinit my xorg.conf file but the log wouldnt read
[04:45] <dan457> Wait one the binaries for now
[04:52] <DanaG> ARGH!  Damned firefox and fat32.
[04:52] <DanaG>  /.mozilla-firefox/PROFILES/Dana/places.sqlite
[04:52] <DanaG>   File size is 6455296 bytes, cluster chain length is > 6455296 bytes.
[04:52] <DanaG>   Truncating file to 6455296 bytes.
[04:52] <DanaG> Oh, file is longer than it says it is.... oh hey, LET'S TRUNCATE IT!
[04:52] <dan457> lol
[04:53] <DanaG> How stupid... and there's no way to tell it to leave the damned file the LONGER length.
[04:53] <Halow> Ouch...
[04:53] <DanaG> That's FAT32+Firefox.
[04:54] <DanaG> Unfortunately, Firefox keeps its grubby little hands all over the profile files every second, and never leaves them alone... thus, a system crash has like 70% probability of corrupting history, preferences, or both.
[04:55] <dan457> So don't use fat32.... or ext4 too for that matter.
[04:55] <DanaG> At least ext4 has a journal.
[04:55] <DanaG> So, if I put data=journal mode, you get either old preferences or new preferences... not NO preferences at all!
[04:55] <dan457> might be slower, but ext3 with data journaling enabled (not just meta data)
[04:56] <DanaG> Unfortunately, if I want to have my Firefox profile on an SDHC card to save battery life or such, I essentially HAVE to use fat32.
[04:56] <DanaG> If I use NTFS, my system won't boot with the card in.
[04:57] <dan457> What about ext or xfs?
[04:57] <DanaG> I also have to share the profile with Windows.
[04:57] <DanaG> And if I have more than one partition on a card, and happen to suspend to ram... then when I wake up the computer, it completely breaks the partition table!
[04:57] <dan457> ah
[04:57] <dan457> ext2
[04:57] <DanaG> There's ext2fsd.... but it causes the equivalent of a kernel oops upon resume from suspend.
[04:57] <dan457> but then same issue as fat32
[04:58] <DanaG> If I suspend, then when I resume, Firefox hangs unkillably, and anything that tries to touch that volume dies.
[04:58] <dan457> well, don't share the profile.. lol
[04:58] <DanaG> Find me some way to not have to change preferences and bookmarks in two places, then.
[04:58] <crdlb> my suggestion would be 'don't use windows'
[04:58] <DanaG> "Foxmarks" and such don't work -- they just hang.
[04:58] <crdlb> or at least don't try sharing a profile between them
[04:59] <crdlb> I'm actually kind of surpised that works at all
[04:59] <DanaG> Okay, then how do I synchronize preferences and bookmarks>
[04:59] <dan457> ummm, rsync script on startup/shudown to backup profile to disk....
[04:59] <DanaG> Works fine, except for that damned fat32.
[04:59] <cwillu> DanaG, colinux with a smb share where you store your firefox profile?
[05:00] <cwillu> then you can use ext3 or whatever
[05:00] <DanaG> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090115035623911
[05:00] <DanaG> er
[05:00] <DanaG> sorry, meant to dig for xkcd.
[05:00] <DanaG> http://xkcd.com/530/
[05:00] <WatchBot> DanaG: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.
[05:01] <DanaG> It IS work-safe.  =þ
[05:01] <cwillu> LjL, why is WatchBot complaining about xkcd links?
[05:01] <cwillu> """Warning: this comic occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)."""
[05:01] <bazhang> its offtopic
[05:01] <cwillu> it's the mathematics, isn't it
[05:01] <DanaG> colinux... sounds like overly complicating things to me.
[05:02] <DanaG> Now, if that danged "foxmarks" thing didn't just error out and become unclosable (as in, neither OK nor Cancel buttons work)... then I could perhaps go that route.
[05:02]  * calc notes his work email lists occasionally quote xkcd, heh
[05:02]  * cwillu tests a theory
[05:02] <cwillu> http://questionablecontent.net/
[05:03] <cwillu> hmm
[05:04] <cwillu> bazhang, and I note now that this isn't #ubuntu-offtopic, which I thought it was :(
[05:07] <DanaG> Bigger issue is that partition-table corruption.
[05:07] <DanaG> ... and the fact that fsck.vfat INSISTS on truncating, ALWAYS.
[05:08] <DanaG> Frankly, I'd rather be given the option to choose to leave the extra, possibly-corrupt data on the end.
[05:10] <DanaG> hah, the only DPI issues I usually have... are with Firefox.
[05:10] <DanaG> It seems to round UP, ALWAYS, to the nearest multiple of 96.
[05:15] <keisangi> each time i put a blank dvd (dual layer) in my drive, the system freeze after few secs ..
[05:15] <keisangi> it worked fine on intrepid and hardy too
[05:15] <keisangi> is that a known problem ?
[05:16] <cwillu> keisangi, I haven't heard of it if that's what you mean, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a bug on it
[05:16] <cwillu> only dual-layers?
[05:16] <keisangi> i don't know i tryed only with DL (dual layer)
[05:17] <keisangi> even if i put it in the drive before the system boot up
[05:17] <cwillu> try a cd
[05:18] <cwillu> also, hard lock?  (i.e., does the capslock light still turn on and off?)
[05:18] <keisangi> once i login gnome, i see my desktop , but everything is frozen, even ctrl+alt+f1 to switch to terminal doesn't work
[05:18] <keisangi> and i can't kill X neither .. just seems completely frozen
[05:18] <cwillu> try it again, and see if capslock turns on and off, if it does, than the kernel isn't dead, which is good to know
[05:18] <keisangi> hardlock i guess, no capslock led
[05:19] <keisangi> numlock, capslock led aren't responding
[05:19] <cwillu> do you still have an older kernel installed?
[05:20] <cwillu> might be worth trying one if you can
[05:20] <keisangi> don't think so, aren't they automaticaly removed these days?
[05:20] <cwillu> either file, file a bug on launchpad.net (just against the linux package) with as much detail as you can
[05:21] <keisangi> ls /boot confirms: i only have vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
[05:21] <cwillu> k
[05:21] <cwillu> could try downloading an 8.10 livecd and see if it works there
[05:21] <keisangi> i try filling a bug in launchpad
[05:21] <cwillu> migth be worth trying it from the 9.04beta livecd as well
[05:21] <keisangi> cwillu, i know it worked on intrepid and hardy
[05:22] <cwillu> keisangi, humour me :p
[05:22] <keisangi> i burnt quite a few
[05:22] <cwillu> that's nice, can you still check?  there's always a chance of a coincidental hardware failure
[05:22] <keisangi> not a chance
[05:23] <cwillu> you checked the voltages on your power supply this morning did you? :p
[05:23] <keisangi> hardware didn't change since last week, when it worked fine, only thing that changed is the upgrade to jaunty
[05:23] <cwillu> (seriously, the symptoms are identical to those experienced by a friend of mine, due to a faulty power supply)
[05:24] <keisangi> i have nothing in this machine, just harddisk and dvd drive.. could be hardly the insufficient power fault
[05:24] <keisangi> i use intel integrated gfx chip
[05:25] <keisangi> and onboard sound too
[05:25] <cwillu> faulty != insufficient
[05:25] <DanaG> If I can, at some point, get perfectly working Direct3D in VirtualBox, and have working OpenGL and power management on my radeon, then I could get rid of my native Windows.
[05:26] <scream> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE when enabled actually restarts the X server?
[05:26] <crdlb> correct
[05:27] <cwillu> scream, even with it disabled, you can still hit alt-sysrq-k to kill the xserver (which will leave gdm to restart it, exactly like ctrl-alt-backspace)
[05:28] <scream> k
[05:28] <DanaG> Doesn't work well with fglrx... leaves the card wedged in a bad state.
[05:29] <DanaG> So, it's better to re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace.
[05:29] <crdlb> you know what _does_ work with fglrx?
[05:29] <crdlb> crashing and freezing
[05:31] <DanaG> Oh heck, I just plain can't use fglrx at all.  Kernel panic.  Period.
[05:31] <crdlb> that's a crash
[05:32] <crdlb> if you have something new to add, please do so, otherwise don't :)
[05:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, I've gone back to the upstream notification app.
[05:34] <scream> What is the keyboard shortcut for a screen grab?
[05:34] <SandGorgon> scream: in a laptop alt-printscreen or fn-printscreen
[05:36] <teethdood> is the beta released yet? if yes, how do I know if I got it already?
[05:37] <scream> If you have updated recently, then you have it.
[05:38] <teethdood> ok, I guess the "released beta" just means the CD image
[05:38] <scream> I believe so.
[05:39] <keisangi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/349366
[06:03] <clearscreen> My pidgin main window seems to be following all workspaces around (just in taskbar) even though it's set to "only on this taskbar"
[06:04] <crdlb> bug 346840
[06:04] <clearscreen> alright cool
[06:20] <Naynay> My gnome session keeps exiting for no reason. All my apps are switched off and I'm dumped out at the gdm login.
[06:21] <Naynay> Is this by design, or by way of testing bumping my X-session off because we're still in testing?
[06:22] <crdlb> heh
[06:23] <crdlb> Naynay: what kinds of things cause it?
[06:23] <Naynay> no idea whatsoever
[06:24] <crdlb> apparently the patch to xserver to enable timestamps in the logs has been causing lots of X crashes
[06:24] <Naynay> it's irritating.... i leave the computer running overnight to find that when I come back to the computer, I'm greeted with gdm
[06:24] <Naynay> As long as this isn't by design, I'm happy
[06:24] <crdlb> but this was discovered too late to put it in the beta, so hopefully they'll pull that patch soon
[06:25] <Naynay> I figured it would have been X crashing
[06:25] <crdlb> look in /var/log/gdm/:0.log*
[06:26] <Naynay> ok, hang on
[06:27] <crdlb> if any of them have a backtrace starting with a "glibc detected" error, then it's probably that bug
[06:27] <Naynay> yeah, there's one here
[06:27] <Naynay> hang on, shall I post the whole backtrace to irc?
[06:27] <crdlb> I don't think we need it
[06:28] <Naynay> I see this a lot:-
[06:28] <Naynay> get fences failed: -1
[06:28] <Naynay> param: 6, val: 0
[06:28] <Naynay> get fences failed: -1
[06:28] <Naynay> param: 6, val: 0
[06:28] <Naynay> exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!
[06:29] <Naynay> Here's what I see before the backtrace:-
[06:29] <Naynay> *** glibc detected *** /usr/X11R6/bin/X: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x0bc
[06:29] <Naynay> 8a858 ***
[06:29] <crdlb> that certainly looks like it
[06:30] <crdlb> could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. So wait and see if it still happens after the update
[06:30] <Naynay> when's the next update?
[06:30] <crdlb> your guess is as good as mine
[06:30] <Naynay> :)
[06:30] <Naynay> no problem... as long as it gets fixed I guess
[06:31] <crdlb> according to the bug, the update was queued a few days ago to be added post-beta
[06:31] <crdlb> and it's now post-beta :)
[06:32] <Naynay> wheee!
[06:36] <h00k> 'ello
[06:36] <nnutter> Is the Jaunty beta really only available as a DVD image? (Alpha 6 was a CD image.)
[06:37] <cwillu> nnutter, read the release notes
[06:37] <h00k> nnutter: no, its CD.
[06:37] <cwillu> nnutter, you're inventing your own url, and it's not the right one
[06:37] <h00k> hello cwillu
[06:37]  * cwillu pokes h00k with a stick
[06:37] <cwillu> must be beta time, eh? :)
[06:37] <h00k> cwillu: course
[06:37] <h00k> making the migration from Arch back
[06:37] <crdlb> cwillu: blame launchpad for teaching people to invent urls :D
[06:38]  * h00k blames launchpad.
[06:38] <crdlb> it's impossible to navigate that labrynth if you don't just make up the urls
[06:39] <nnutter> I found the CD image, thx to QPrime.
[06:39] <crdlb> hmm, butchered that word
[06:39] <nnutter> cwillu: w/e you say
[06:39] <cwillu> nnutter, you went to cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[06:39] <nnutter> unfortunately
[06:40]  * cwillu suggests http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta instead :p
[06:40]  * h00k suggests the big link at www.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <h00k> which in turn points to cwillu's link
[06:40] <crdlb> Naynay: pending as of 2 minutes ago :D
[06:41]  * cwillu points h00k at the irc motd
[06:41] <nnutter> wow, I wasn't able to follow that
[06:41] <Naynay> sweet, hang on
[06:42] <crdlb> Naynay: it'll be a while, but watch for xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.0-0ubuntu5
[06:42] <Naynay> uh, not quite yet at my mirror
[06:42] <Naynay> cheers big ears
[06:42] <crdlb> it still has to be built
[06:42] <Naynay> agh
[06:42] <h00k> cwillu: ah ha.
[06:43] <nnutter> Out of curiosity, what is the DVD image? Is that a snapshot of the official repository too or something?
[06:44] <cwillu> nnutter, I believe it includes most (all?) of main and restricted
[06:44] <nnutter> ok, ty
[06:44] <cwillu> might only be the pieces that correspond with a particular desktop (so the ubuntu dvd won't include kde, for instance)
[06:51]  * cwillu prepares to reboot his machine for the first time this year
[06:51] <cwillu> actually, I guess I need to wait until after this file copy finishes
[06:51] <h00k> cwillu: good luck, soldier!
[06:52] <cwillu> the joys of backing a machine up over a 10megabit connection
[06:53] <cwillu> slow enough that lzop isn't even saturating the processor :)
[06:53] <cwillu> should have used gzip
[06:54] <billybigrigger> hmm
[07:04] <ethana2> Jaunty won't let me install Empathy, says it's not for amd64
[07:04] <ethana2> ..I require empathy so I can use google video chat so I don't have to use my mac for skype instead
[07:05] <ethana2> what should I do?
[07:05] <crdlb> ethana2: what exactly is the error?
[07:06] <ethana2> Empathy Instant Messenger cannot be installed on your computer type (amd64). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type.
[07:06] <ethana2> Canonical does not provide updates for Empathy Instant Messenger. Some updates may be provided by the Ubuntu community.
[07:06] <crdlb> that's odd
[07:06] <ethana2> The error said basically the same thing, but that's empathy's current description in gnome-app-install
[07:06] <wgrant> ethana2: Check your sources.list and apt-get update.
[07:07] <crdlb> it's open source, and I'm reasonably sure it's 64bit-clean, so I'd say there's something wrong with the repos
[07:07] <ethana2> k
[07:08] <ethana2> Could not download all repository indexes
[07:08] <ethana2> ohhhhhh, blast.
[07:08] <ethana2> it can't get the stuff because it can't write to the device
[07:08] <ethana2> this is a 4 GB flash drive.
[07:08] <ethana2> why the heck does it always have this problem?
[07:09] <crdlb> you filled it up?
[07:09] <ethana2> no.
[07:09] <ethana2> I think it has some swap file or something
[07:09] <ethana2> some rediculous default
[07:09] <crdlb> used ext4?
[07:09] <ethana2> FAT
[07:09] <ethana2> I'd use ext2 if it'd let me, but it won't
[07:10] <ethana2> I originally had a 3 GB ext2 partition on my flash drive, usb-creator was oblivious
[07:10] <crdlb> you're running jaunty on vfat? O_o
[07:10] <ethana2> I'm running Jaunty on whatever usb-creator gave me
[07:11] <ethana2> It is a FAT file system
[07:11] <ethana2> oh crap, now there's a race condition
[07:11]  * ethana2 plays whack a mole with his running processes
[07:12] <ethana2> ah, it was the software sources dialog
[07:13] <ethana2> crdlb: what should I do?
[07:13] <crdlb> not run linux on vfat :/
[07:13] <ethana2> How do I get usb-creator to use an ext2 file system?
[07:13] <ethana2> was the problem that it wasn't the only partition on my flash drive?
[07:13] <rww> ethana2: use unetbootin instead. usb-creator is a pain in the backside
[07:13] <ethana2> I had 1 G---
[07:14] <ethana2> unetbootin?
[07:14] <ethana2> I thought that was a network thing
[07:14] <ethana2> Can it be used for booting off flash drives?
[07:14] <bluefoxx> i'm having trouble booting my system now...
[07:14] <rww> ethana2: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[07:15] <bluefoxx> its stuck at ' [478.701164]  IPMI: BT reset (takes 5 secs)
[07:15] <ethana2> ooohhhhhhhh
[07:15] <ethana2> that looks hopeful.
[07:16] <bluefoxx> after IPMI  BT: timeout in WR_CONSUME  [H2B] 1 retries left      and IPMI  BT:  timeout in XACTION  [H2B]  <4>failed 2 retries, sending error response
[07:16] <ethana2> so how do I get unetbootin to use ext2 instead of vfat?
[07:16] <ethana2> ..and if it's better than usb-creator, why doesn't ubuntu ship it instead?
[07:18] <bluefoxx> this is all after trying to boot, and it gets to '*Loading Manual drivers...'
[07:18] <bluefoxx> anyone?
[07:18] <ethana2> unetbootin uses FAT32.
[07:19] <ethana2> The only limitation of FAT32 that can't be emulated around is the 4 GB file limit
[07:19] <melik> this is so weird..
[07:19] <ethana2> that is the size of this flash dirve
[07:19] <melik> for the past 2-4 days
[07:19] <melik> ubuntu has found no updates at all :/
[07:20] <ethana2> melik: that's normal.  beta freeze.
[07:20] <melik> ohh thats why
[07:25] <bluefoxx> meh, i'll just boot windows onto the box in question...
[07:31] <corinth> Can someone point me to the CD for the 9.04 beta? I can only find the DVD iso.
[07:31] <crdlb> /topic :)
[07:31] <corinth> ....wow
[07:32] <corinth> Sorry about that. I jsut got home from a six hour concert.
[07:32] <corinth> It's past midnight for me, I'm quite tired. Thanks, crdlb. Lol...
[07:35] <grodius> hey has anyone run compiz on jaunty?
[07:36] <hmw> yes
[07:36] <grodius> does it work well?
[07:36] <hmw> no probs here... nvidia, no special drivers, everthing fine. Gnome stuff (scrolling) much faster
[07:37] <grodius> hm
[07:37] <grodius> what package should i look for when installing
[07:37] <crdlb> compiz?
[07:37] <grodius> yea
[07:37] <crdlb> compiz
[07:37] <hmw> should be on by default
[07:37] <corinth> How is the beta? For anyone using it.
[07:38] <hmw> if youre not running into driver problems, it is very cool already
[07:38] <crdlb> it works fine for most people, but that doesn't mean it will for you :)
[07:38] <crdlb> the vast majority of problems in any development release are driver-related, and therefore hardware-specific
[07:38] <hmw> i still have a little sound glitch with skype
[07:39] <grodius> im running jaunty and the 2.6.29 kernel
[07:39] <grodius> do you think that could make compiz run better potentially?
[07:40] <hmw> i wouldnt expect that
[07:40] <crdlb> the kernel?
[07:41] <wgrant> Why are you running 2.6.29?
[07:41] <crdlb> maybe you change those latency settings that ubuntu has set wrongly :)
[07:41] <crdlb> but otherwise, no
[07:41] <joerlend_> new drivers with better 3d and 2d hardware accelleration support?
[07:41] <grodius> supposedly has better video support
[07:41] <crdlb> that's not really included in the kernel
[07:41] <wgrant> joerlend_: You're looking for X drivers in that case.
[07:42] <crdlb> DRM by itself isn't going to get you far
[07:42] <wgrant> No.
[07:42] <wgrant> Nor is KMS.
[07:42] <cwillu> what chipset is he running?
[07:42] <crdlb> probably SIS :D
[07:42]  * cwillu notes that sis isn't a video chipset :p
[07:43] <hmw> i have seen several people having serious troubles with fglrx in the last three days on this channel. Did something change regarding fglrx meanwhile? Are fglrx improvements to be expected at all for Jaunty?
[07:43] <wgrant> fglrx improvements are not predictable.
[07:43] <crdlb> cwillu: I don't know the various models; all I know is that they're all junk :)
[07:43] <wgrant> It is a horrid proprietary mess which we have no control over.
[07:43] <wgrant> Fortunately -ati works excellently for most of us.
[07:43] <hmw> that makes the answer clearly: no.
[07:44] <RAOF> And isn't updated as frequently as the other proprietary mess, nvidia, so it's broken more often.
[07:44] <crdlb> fglrx works better for R300-R500 in jaunty :P
[07:44] <cwillu> hmw, they're expected, but only based on manufacturer promises and so forth
[07:44] <hmw> Too bad, that i cannot use ati on my workstation
[07:44] <wgrant> crdlb: Doesn't it not support R300 any more?
[07:44] <crdlb> exactly
[07:44] <wgrant> crdlb: You mean -ati works better, then?
[07:44] <crdlb> I mean fglrx not even attempting is better than fglrx attempting and hardlocking
[07:45] <wgrant> Ah.
[07:45] <crdlb> tbh, they should have waited 6 more months
[07:45] <mint3> is the beta out
[07:45] <h00k> I really like how Jaunty handles the wallpaper on the multiple desktops
[07:45] <crdlb> I definitely don't want to see an xorg-driver-fglrx-legacy though
[07:45] <wgrant> mint3: The topic may help.
[07:46] <crdlb> h00k: hmm? how is it different?
[07:46] <hmw> what? i want to know this, too..
[07:46] <h00k> crdlb, if you have two desktops (default) and are using the Extra visual effects
[07:46] <h00k> when you slide a desktop over, the wallpaper stays put
[07:46] <joerlend_> huh?
[07:47] <hmw> ah.
[07:47] <joerlend_> oh-
[07:47] <hmw> I was hoping for different wallpapers for each WS
[07:47] <cwillu> h00k, doesn't here
[07:47] <h00k> the wallpaper doesn't move also, showing a seam, etc
[07:47] <h00k> cwillu, do you have the advanced desktop effects?
[07:47] <cwillu> h00k, very advanced
[07:47] <h00k> (I am not dualscreening)
[07:47] <crdlb> h00k: oh, yes, that does look nice
[07:48] <h00k> also, my docky and gnome-panel doesn't move either
[07:49] <joerlend_> I have to reboot and see this for myself :)
[07:49] <crdlb> yes, by default compiz will not move 'type=dock | type=desktop | state=sticky'
[07:50] <h00k> I think its pretty sexy
[07:50] <cwillu> suppose I might have to restart compiz
[07:50]  * cwillu hasn't rebooted yet
[07:50] <h00k> :)
[07:50] <h00k> cwillu, that might do it
[07:50]  * crdlb has the switch time set to 0 anyway
[07:50] <cwillu> heh
[07:51] <cwillu> nividia didn't like that very much
[07:51] <cwillu> but the effect is quite nice
[07:51] <cwillu> far more sane than the previous approach
[07:51] <crdlb> it conveys the viewport metaphor better
[07:51] <cwillu> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 180.18,
[07:51] <cwillu> but this NVIDIA driver component has version 180.37.  Please make
[07:51] <cwillu> sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components
[07:51] <cwillu> have the same version.
[07:52] <cwillu> :)
[07:52] <hmw> i like the way it looks, when you use cube, 2 WS and a virtual machin in full screen mode with windows
[07:56] <h00k> cool, minus the virtual machine part;)
[07:57] <hmw> its just funny to have windows up while talking to someone and then suddenly switch to the back side of the desktop and having gnome there...
[08:02] <LordKow> oh wow there are going to be a lot of package updates coming through later this weekend or early next week
[08:02] <grodius> hey guys im running jaunty and im kind of a noob
[08:02] <grodius> im trying to run compiz
[08:02] <grodius> i have the settings manager and compiz seems to be installed
[08:02] <grodius> do i need to sudo it
[08:02] <crdlb> no
[08:03] <o0Chris0o> !enter | grodius
[08:03] <grodius> sorry
[08:03] <o0Chris0o> np :D
[08:03] <crdlb> just go to appearance > visual efects
[08:04] <grodius> it says they cannot be enabled
[08:04] <LordKow> !spelling | crdlb ;)
[08:04] <LordKow> hah
[08:04] <h00k> grodius, you probably need your drivers for your graphics card (nvidia, ati)
[08:04] <crdlb> I hoped nobody would notice
[08:05] <grodius> h00k: i have a macbook, i think its an integrated chip... how might i tell
[08:05] <crdlb> grodius: lspci | grep -i vga
[08:05] <grodius> yea integrated intel gfx controller.
[08:06] <grodius> is it possible for compiz to run on an integrated card?
[08:06] <crdlb> grodius: glxinfo | egrep -i 'software|direct'
[08:06] <crdlb> it is
[08:07] <grodius> direct rendering: Yes; OpenGL renderer string: software Rasterizer
[08:07] <crdlb> ok, it's broken
[08:07] <crdlb> pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:07] <cwillu> grodius, what's the exact line from lspci?
[08:08] <grodius> is it acceptable to paste it into the channel?
[08:08] <crdlb> macbook == new enuff
[08:08] <cwillu> grodius, it's one line
[08:08] <crdlb> one line is fine
[08:08] <grodius> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[08:08] <cwillu> k, one sec, let me check something
[08:08] <cwillu> same as mine
[08:09] <cwillu> grodius, in synaptic, check that you have libdrm-intel1 and libdrm2 installed
[08:09] <crdlb> me would like to see the X log :o
[08:10] <cwillu> there's some issues with that chipset right now, performance isn't what it should be when accelmode=exa (worked great in previous releases)
[08:10] <cwillu> there's also been issues with the appropriate libraries for intel not actually being installed
[08:10] <grodius> cwillu: have them both installed
[08:10] <cwillu> accelmode "uxa" has the proper performance (more than good enough for compiz), but uxa is a little unstable
[08:12] <cwillu> grodius, k, go to http://pastebin.com/f12c23d1d , and copy the contents of that into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[08:12] <cwillu> that's my xorg.conf
[08:12] <cwillu> and I'm running the same chipset
[08:13] <grodius> k
[08:13] <crdlb> eh
[08:13] <crdlb> that's not the problem
[08:13]  * cwillu pokes crdlb with a stick :p
[08:13] <crdlb> he has *no* 3d acceleration
[08:13] <cwillu> crdlb, autodetection is borked on that card right now
[08:13] <crdlb> let's fix that first
[08:14] <crdlb> oh, you think it's using vesa?
[08:14] <cwillu> crdlb, pretty sure it is, yes
[08:14] <crdlb> that's not good
[08:14] <cwillu> crdlb, i.e., mine will if I delete the xorg.conf
[08:14] <cwillu> it's a known issue
[08:14] <cwillu> it's actually in the release notes
[08:15] <crdlb> how hard is it to match pci ids? :/
[08:15] <cwillu> crdlb, it's subtle in this case :p
[08:15] <crdlb> they even start with 8086, so they're easy to remember :D
[08:15] <cwillu> upstream released a dri that assumed that certain intel cards didn't have the abilities that they actually do have
[08:15] <crdlb> good job upstream
[08:15] <crdlb> next time ask the people in the cubicle next to you
[08:15] <grodius> cwillu: thanks. edited. ill be back.
[08:15] <cwillu> grodius, let me know, yeah
[08:16] <crdlb> that reminds me of when the 965 was blacklisted for compiz because it only supported textured video and EXA wasn't ready
[08:16] <cwillu> I think most of my instability was actually that xorg logging bug, but uxa is known to be not-entirely-stable for that chipset either
[08:16] <cwillu> heh, same style of borkage, yep
[08:16] <crdlb> but the 965 _does_ have a hardware overlay
[08:17] <crdlb> so had intel actually asked the h/w people, that blacklist could have been avoided
[08:17] <cwillu> for a while, booting the -server kernel restored the performance :)
[08:17] <LordKow> meh no wonder why it seems like the electricity is "running out". there are 12 ubuntu buildd's stealing it all right now
[08:17] <LordKow> and the build queue is still like 150+ long ... i have a feeling beta freeze is now over ;)
[08:17] <cwillu> LordKow, it was over the moment it was released :p
[08:17] <LordKow> goodie, bring on the updates
[08:18]  * cwillu isn't rebooting until the xorg logging issue is released :p
[08:18]  * o0Chris0o just installed some updates in the last 10 minutes
[08:18] <LordKow> i see it.. its being built :)
[08:18] <crdlb> cwillu: it has built :D
[08:18] <LordKow> now how long before it's accepted and committed to the repos is another question
[08:18] <crdlb> at least for the arches we care about
[08:19] <cwillu> you know, I kinda wish that the current viewport would get updated before the compiz animation started, or during it at least
[08:19] <cwillu> it's annoying how the taskbar entries aren't correct until a splitsecond _after_ the screen has moved
[08:19] <crdlb> I agree
[08:19] <crdlb> I should look into that
[08:19] <cwillu> kinda ruins the perception of 'distinct panels'
[08:20] <crdlb> even with my no-animation setup, it doesn't do it until I release ctrl and alt
[08:20]  * LordKow crosses fingers. hopefully this vlc 1.0 git debian/rules is correct this time.
[08:21] <cwillu> yep
[08:21] <crdlb> cwillu: I miss the days when vesa would spew GLX errors
[08:21] <crdlb> now vesa gives direct rendering O_o
[08:22] <cwillu> man, all I want is to wipe this (other) machine, but I can't until I can verify the data copied correctly, and the first checksum wasn't correct, and it only has a 10mb network card
[08:22] <cwillu> crdlb, really?  weird
[08:22] <crdlb> well, see grodius's output
[08:23] <cwillu> he pasted something?
[08:23] <LordKow> i think you just left grodius with an unusable Xorg :P
[08:23] <cwillu> oh, nvm, saw it :p
[08:23] <cwillu> as long as he's not running a -server kernel, it should be fine
[08:24] <cwillu> well
[08:24] <cwillu> or a machine with two different sized dimms
[08:24]  * cwillu shrugs :p
[08:24] <crdlb> I'd love a way to query the loaded driver (DDX), and whether X thinks it has 3d accel
[08:24] <cwillu> if it doesn't work, then exa should 'work', just slow
[08:24] <LordKow> he used a hammer to make the memory stick fit.
[08:25] <crdlb> it'd cut down on the number of Xorg.0.log pastes needed
[08:25] <cwillu> LordKow, no, I mean, a 1gb dimm and a 2gb dimm
[08:25] <cwillu> causes grief
[08:25] <LordKow> yea, on a lot of systems.
[08:25] <ikonia> crdlb: there must be a way of doing that with binary drivers
[08:25] <crdlb> I just want a generic method
[08:26] <cwillu> crdlb, glxinfo | grep renderer is what you want
[08:26] <ikonia> crdlb: yes, that would be a solid implimentation
[08:26] <cwillu> it'll either be a match for their hardware, or it'll be software
[08:26] <cwillu> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GT/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[08:26] <crdlb> hmm
[08:26] <cwillu> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM...
[08:27] <ikonia> querying the module direct would be a good tool
[08:27] <ikonia> rather than having to have a software interface
[08:27] <rww> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[08:27] <rww> oh joy
[08:27] <crdlb> I used to use Version for that, in particular for checking nvidia driver versions
[08:27]  * cwillu cheers!  the checksums match!
[08:27]  * cwillu wipes the drive with glee
[08:28] <crdlb> I think I'll give that a shot though :)
[08:30]  * cwillu huggles grodius
[08:30] <cwillu> what have I done D:
[08:31] <cwillu> come back to me!
[08:31] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: you messed up his xorg!
[08:31] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:31] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, just hoping he didn't just insert it or something
[08:31]  * cwillu curses
[08:31] <cwillu> I left out a section
[08:32] <cwillu> or rather, didn't remove the reference to it in the screen section
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> you should of explained to him to use irssi in command if he couldn't start x
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:32] <o0Chris0o> oh well, its a learning experience for all
[08:32] <cwillu> well, deleting the xorg.conf completely gives him a usable config, and xfix should handle it too
[08:32] <crdlb> well, it'll just switch to vesa again, won't it?
[08:32] <cwillu> it should
[08:33] <crdlb> bulletproofX partially ftw
[08:33] <cwillu> who knows, he might just be extensively testing why it didn't work after I promised that it would :p
[08:33] <crdlb> and partially I hate that thing and wish it would die a fiery death
[08:33] <o0Chris0o> I had major xorg problems with my old PC
[08:33] <cwillu> god I love it
[08:33] <LordKow> does he know about the option to completely delete xorg.conf and at least get a working Xorg? i guess it doesnt really matter now :p
[08:33] <LordKow> well he is using development.... he better know
[08:34] <crdlb> if X fails to parse the log, he's fine
[08:34] <cwillu> yep, there's only a limited amount of sympathy I'm willing to grant :)
[08:34] <crdlb> since vesa will kick in
[08:34] <crdlb> again
[08:34] <cwillu> I just hate making silly mistakes
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: no one sperfect
[08:35] <cwillu> yep, the missing section just falls back into vesa
[08:36] <LordKow> there is always the small chance that his computer just blew up
[08:36] <o0Chris0o> o.0
[08:36] <LordKow> or her, not to be sexist
[08:36] <crdlb> 'he' is generic :)
[08:37] <o0Chris0o> or he fixed it and didn't want to log back onto freenode and went to bed
[08:37] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:37] <LordKow> it is just degrading
[08:37] <LordKow> 'it' that is
[08:37] <cwillu> LordKow, 've': p
[08:37] <LordKow> he could be in awe with compiz?
[08:37] <cwillu> ve is the convention for ai's :p
[08:37] <LordKow> "look at how it fades in and out... oh man the transparency!!!!!!!!!!"
[08:37]  * rww used to use gender-neutral pronouns, until sie realized that it made hir messages look weird
[08:38] <crdlb> heh
[08:38] <cwillu> you get used to it :p
[08:38] <LordKow> i still get awed by alt+tab every now and then
[08:38] <o0Chris0o> LordKow: thats been around ages, linux and M$
[08:38] <o0Chris0o> :-p
[08:39] <LordKow> doesn't mean i still can't get awe'd by it
[08:39] <o0Chris0o> I like my rain drops and wiper oooooo ahhhhhhhhh
[08:40] <LordKow> yay my vlc-1.0 git snapshot debian package is a success. just need to figure out this symbol issue. apparently libstream_out_raop_plugin.so uses a symbol found in none of the libraries. well i'll find out which one
[08:42] <cwillu> question:  can evolution read outlookexpress email folderse?
[08:43] <cwillu> you're back!
[08:43] <cwillu> sorry, I missed a section in that pastebin
[08:43]  * cwillu blinks
[08:43] <LordKow> about time videolan drops esd support
[08:44] <cwillu> think I hurt his feelings? :(
[08:44] <lanoxx-> where do i download the ubuntu beta cd image for 64bit
[08:44] <lanoxx-> i only found the dvd image
[08:44] <cwillu> lanoxx-, release notes
[08:44] <lanoxx-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/
[08:44] <cwillu> no
[08:44] <cwillu> NO
[08:44] <cwillu> release notes
[08:45]  * cwillu pokes lanoxx- with a stick
[08:45] <lanoxx-> ah ok
[08:45]  * cwillu huggles lanoxx-
[08:46] <grodius> I got HUGE problems, what did you do to me....
[08:46] <cwillu> grodius, ugh
[08:46] <crdlb> lol
[08:46] <lanoxx-> cwillu, found it, thats going to go straight into virtual box and then im going file some bug reports if i find any
[08:46] <lanoxx-> :)
[08:47] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: its ok promise, I was just testing your nerves :D
[08:47]  * o0Chris0o runs and hides
[08:47] <cwillu> uh?
[08:47] <LordKow> yay VLC Media Player 1.0.0-pre1 Goldeneye
[08:48] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, you know what your mistake was?
[08:48] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: yes
[08:48] <cwillu> o0Chris0o, your hostmask won't save you now :p
[08:48] <XiXaQ> ah! Finally my webcam is working! :)
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> :D
[08:49] <o0Chris0o> XiXaQ: grats
[08:49] <XiXaQ> thanks!
[08:50] <XiXaQ> I'm a musician, and I've been wanting to take some videos to upload to youtube, but I didn't want to install Windows just to do it. But now, in Jaunty, I can use cheese. Camorama still doesn't work at all though.
[08:51] <cwillu> I've always wanted to visit new york...
[08:52] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: just don't do it during winter time :D
[08:52] <cwillu> why?
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> its cold
[08:53] <cwillu> HAH
[08:53] <cwillu> you think you know cold
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> windy, snowey
[08:53] <cwillu> it was -30 here 3 weeks ago
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> cwillu: where do you live? alaska?
[08:53] <cwillu> saskatchewan
[08:53] <o0Chris0o> CA?
[08:53] <cwillu> we get about as cold as them
[08:53] <cwillu> canada, yes
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> yeah its quite cold up there as well
[08:54] <cwillu> so yes, don't think you'll scare me off with 'oooo, it's so cold'  :p
[08:54] <o0Chris0o> lol
[08:54]  * cwillu starts sharpening the poking stick
[08:55] <cwillu> but still, I fear the worst :p
[08:56] <o0Chris0o> cwillu:its nice, especially the finger lakes area
[08:56] <cwillu> re: grodius, not new york :p
[08:57] <o0Chris0o> heh
[08:57] <lanoxx-> 1.5MB/s dl i love the torrent option
[09:05] <shrini> Hi, I downloaded 9.04 alpha 6 and installed
[09:05] <shrini> it is too slow even  have 2 GB RAM
[09:05] <shrini> how to make it faster?
[09:09] <hmw> shrini: define "too slow" a little more detailed, please
[09:10] <shrini> hi
[09:10] <shrini> when i switch windows, it takes time
[09:10] <shrini> i disables visualeffects
[09:10] <shrini> some sluggish window transfers
[09:10] <shrini> the boot speed is nice
[09:10] <shrini> but
[09:10] <cwillu> I don't think that's memory related, sounds more like a lack of acceleration
[09:11] <shrini> ya
[09:11] <hmw> hm. i had certain "hangings" at the beginning, too... they disappeared after ssome updates
[09:11] <shrini> i increased RAM from 512 to 2GB
[09:11] <shrini> how to get updates?
[09:11] <hmw> just as usual: System/Administration/Update Manager
[09:11] <shrini> ya
[09:12] <shrini> it showed only 2MB of updates for debconf
[09:12] <shrini> nothing else
[09:12] <hmw> you say, compiz is basically working?
[09:13] <shrini> ya
[09:13] <shrini> comiz is working
[09:13] <hmw> any other issues?
[09:14] <shrini> but i set none t visual effects
[09:14] <shrini> slow means for example,
[09:14] <shrini> there are 5 tabs in my pidgin chat window
[09:15] <shrini> it take 3 seconds to switch between tabs too
[09:15] <hmw> is your hard drive constantly active? (swap)
[09:18] <hmw> anyone else in this channel thinks, can help? If not, my way of diagnosing will be somewhat unoptimal
[09:19] <hmw> shrini: let me prepare a test script, bb in a few minutes
[09:19] <frybye> hmw - the idea that ram might be too small is ok I guess..
[09:19] <frybye> i.e. swap very busy...
[09:20] <shrini>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:20] <shrini> Mem:          2013        753       1259          0         38        313
[09:20] <shrini> -/+ buffers/cache:        401       1611
[09:20] <shrini> Swap:         1906          0       1906
[09:21] <hmw> i dont think 2GB is too little ram but somehow your system seems not to use it
[09:21] <shrini> swap is zero used
[09:21] <interawi4ever> just got 9.04 beta
[09:21] <interawi4ever> starting in vmware, lots of file managers try to start and startup is slow
[09:21] <interawi4ever> is this a known issue?
[09:21] <crdlb> yay X
[09:21] <hmw> shrini: check your background processes. open a terminal, start "top" and watch for 30 seconds. What is using most CPU time?
[09:22] <interawi4ever> the bottom panel has a lot of "..." items trying to start
[09:22] <shrini> hmw: ok
[09:23] <shrini>  2872 root      20   0  124m  32m 9040 S 58.2  1.6   6:53.37 Xorg
[09:23] <shrini>  3425 shrini    20   0 49668  31m  13m S  1.6  1.6   0:17.37 gnome-panel
[09:23] <shrini>  3802 shrini    20   0  115m  50m  21m S  1.3  2.5   1:20.74 pidgin
[09:23] <shrini>  4887 shrini    20   0 41016  21m 9416 S  1.3  1.1   0:02.12 gnome-terminal
[09:23] <hmw> interawi4ever: no idea, but i wouldnt expect ubuntu being run in a vm could cause unwanted autostarts. sounds very odd
[09:23] <shrini>  3424 shrini    20   0 33596  23m 8576 S  0.7  1.2   0:10.48 metacity
[09:23] <shrini>  5517 shrini    20   0  2448 1200  912 R  0.3  0.1   0:00.24 top
[09:23] <shrini>
[09:23] <hmw> ok
[09:23] <hmw> this looks not so bad
[09:23] <hmw> do you know, if your cpu isnt too hot?
[09:24] <shrini> hmw: laptop is cool only. not so heat
[09:24] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:24] <hmw> ok, let me put that diagnose script together... bb
[09:25] <shrini> hmw : thanks
[09:26] <BUGabundo> will some one please confirm or deny: Update-manager apt-listchanges appears in background?
[09:26] <BUGabundo> maco ^^^^^^
[09:26] <mvo> BUGabundo: the gtk frontend for apt-listchanges?
[09:27] <maco> BUGabundo: i dont use gui for updates so *shrug*
[09:27] <BUGabundo> mvo: yes
[09:27] <BUGabundo> thanks maco
[09:27] <maco> however, i can confirm that running apt-listchanges from the command line does squat diddly
[09:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[09:28] <BUGabundo> mvo: if you confirm it, ill file it
[09:28] <BUGabundo> I keep waiting for it, and then I notice its in background
[09:28] <mvo> BUGabundo: thats quite possible, there is nothing in apt-listchanges that prevents that at least
[09:28] <BUGabundo> maybe related to recente changes on bug 333284
[09:28] <mvo> BUGabundo: do you see the taks bar think pulsing ?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> it doesn't seem to pulse
[09:29] <mvo> BUGabundo: i.e. is it trying to get your attention? or not even that?
[09:29] <mvo> BUGabundo: ok, thanks. if you file the bug, please include that info
[09:29] <mvo> BUGabundo: and you use compiz, right?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> yes sir
[09:29] <BUGabundo> yes too
[09:29] <BUGabundo> will add that too
[09:30] <maco> mvo: wanna run "apt-listchanges --apt <some package>" and tell me if it hangs for you too?
[09:30] <mvo> thanks
[09:30] <interawi4ever> here is a screenshot of the issue
[09:30] <interawi4ever> http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7592/ubuntu64bit220090327132.png
[09:30] <BUGabundo> interawi4ever: what's that???
[09:30] <BUGabundo> so many windows
[09:30] <interawi4ever> yes
[09:30] <mvo> maco: does it hang for you in general or just with this commandline? it expects package information to be send via stdin when run with --apt IIRC
[09:30] <interawi4ever> just started up ubuntu 9.04 beta in vmware
[09:31] <interawi4ever> and thats what i get
[09:31] <interawi4ever> also does the beta have a wallpaper?
[09:31] <maco> mvo: just in command line,but the manpage says that should work..
[09:31] <maco> er...oh wait
[09:31] <cwillu> interawi4ever, open a terminal and killall nautilus
[09:31]  * maco re-RTFMs
[09:31] <cwillu> interawi4ever, and see if they just start opening up again, or if you get a proper desktop
[09:32] <interawi4ever> will try it now again
[09:32] <hmw> shrini: enter the following into the terminal: cd ~ && wget http://harald.ist.org/home/sysrep/sysrep && chmod 0700 sysrep && sudo ./sysrep -up ALL
[09:32] <shrini> hmw: thanks
[09:32] <hmw> it should install pastebinit and then upload some config files and stats to a pastebin
[09:32] <interawi4ever> i also noticed that it seems vmmouse driver is not enabled
[09:32] <hmw> tell us the URL it shows at the end
[09:33] <maco> mvo: hm you might be rigt. in that case: why doesnt t give a syntax error when i put text after "--apt"?
[09:34] <shrini> shrini@shrini-laptop:~$ sudo ./sysrep -up ALL
[09:34] <shrini> System Report v0.3.3a
[09:34] <shrini> Error(2): file /home/shrini/.sysrep/section.SUMMARY does not exist.
[09:34] <interawi4ever> cwillu, it stopped, but now i cannot open any folder
[09:34] <maco> :( i dont like this. i thought i could use it to do the equiv of "zless /usr/share/..../package/.../Changelog.Debian.gz" or whatever it is
[09:34] <shrini> hmw: it shows the above error
[09:35] <hmw> shrini: dang. sorry, this is the first time it try to use it
[09:35] <interawi4ever> opening "folder name" and nothing appears
[09:35] <hmw> enter "mkdir .sysrep" and then run "sudo ./sysrep -up ALL" again
[09:35] <shrini> hmw:  ok. how to use it?
[09:35] <mvo> maco: I don't know :)
[09:35] <BUGabundo> mvo https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-listchanges/+bug/349451
[09:35] <shrini> hmw:  it created the directory
[09:36] <hmw> oh.
[09:36] <hmw> shrini: did it install pastebinit?
[09:36] <shrini> hmw: no
[09:36] <hmw> ok
[09:37] <interawi4ever> running nautilus from the terminal again gives me glibc detected, nautilus: fouble free or corruption
[09:37] <interawi4ever> *double
[09:37] <shrini> hmw: it shows the error and exits
[09:37] <hmw> shrini: forget about my script, i need to work on it, still alpha
[09:37] <shrini> hmw; it looks like a nice script
[09:37] <hmw> i want you to pastebin some things, shrini.   ...
[09:38] <shrini> hmw: tell, i can do
[09:38] <shrini> hmw: how to?
[09:38] <hmw> pastebinit is very cool. sudo apt-get pastebinit   ... then for example cat /etc/resolv.conf | pastebinit   and it uploads the output directly to the pastebin
[09:39] <cwillu> interawi4ever, downloaded via torrent?
[09:39] <shrini> hmw: wow. installing it
[09:39] <cwillu> hmw, pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf eliminates the pointless cat pipe in that case :p
[09:39] <interawi4ever> no DDL
[09:39] <interawi4ever> guess i will restart and check  the cd
[09:40] <cwillu> interawi4ever, verify that the image is right, yep
[09:40] <hmw> cwillu: this applies only if you want to upload a file, but what if you want to get the output of lspci?
[09:40] <cwillu> just md5sum the image and compare it against the checksum on the site
[09:40] <cwillu> hmw, then use that example :p
[09:40] <shrini> hmw: installed it
[09:41] <hmw> cwillu: hah. got a better idea. just like my script should have done....
[09:41] <shrini> hmw: bit it looks for a file in .sysrep folder
[09:41] <shrini> hmw: the folder is empty
[09:41] <hmw> shrini: pastebinit does not look for that folder
[09:41] <shrini> hmw: hmmm
[09:42] <shrini> hmw: i created an empty file as sudo touch .sysrep/section.SUMMARY
[09:42] <shrini> hmw: now ran the script
[09:42] <shrini> hmw: now the error is
[09:42] <shrini> shrini@shrini-laptop:~$ sudo ./sysrep -up ALL
[09:42] <shrini> System Report v0.3.3a
[09:42] <shrini> Sending summary file to the pastebin...
[09:42] <shrini> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[09:42] <shrini> System Information has been uploaded to: URL:
[09:42] <hmw> shrini: i have no idea, whats going wrong, the script is not very well tested
[09:43] <hmw> i want to see: lspci, df -h,
[09:43] <hmw> ifconfig
[09:43] <shrini> hmw: fine
[09:43] <interawi4ever> cwillu, according to ubuntu verify cd, no errors were found
[09:43] <cwillu> dunno then
[09:44] <shrini> hmw: tell me the commands to run, i will run and pastebinit the output collectively
[09:45] <hmw> lspci > summary && df -h >> summary && ifconfig >> summary && pastebinit summary
[09:46] <shrini> http://pastebin.com/f205db03c
[09:46] <hmw> shrini: is there anything else not working?
[09:46] <ruthgard> the torrent download doesn't work :(
[09:46] <ruthgard> connection reset :(
[09:47] <ruthgard> is there a mirror?
[09:47] <ruthgard> !torrent
[09:47] <ruthgard> !download
[09:47] <shrini> hmw: not tested all
[09:47] <hmw> ok
[09:47] <shrini> hmw: the user experience is great, but slowness os the only problem i face
[09:49] <hmw> hmm...
[09:50] <aapzak> alpha6 was running great, but I did have very little upgrades this morning ... beta not that different from alpha6?
[09:50] <hmw> do you have an older ubuntu active on that notebook? does it work fine?
[09:50] <crdlb> aapzak: the beta is nothing
[09:50] <hmw> shrini
[09:50] <crdlb> it's just a snapshot of the repos
[09:51] <aapzak> I wouldn't call it nothing, it's pretty good :) but not many changes since A6, ok
[09:51] <crdlb> and they freeze them for a few days before to try to make sure nothing dumb sneaks in
[09:51] <hmw> do you have an older ubuntu active on that notebook? does it work fine? shrini
[09:52] <hmw> if it is something different than a normal driver problem, the drive could be defective
[09:52] <hmw> gah... why do i always forget to add the name...
[09:52] <crdlb> aapzak: now that the beta is release, you'll see a million updates
[09:52] <crdlb> released*
[09:52] <aapzak> bugfixes?
[09:53] <ruthgard> I would expect all type of updates
[09:53] <crdlb> just stuff that couldn't be put in during the beta freeze
[09:53] <aapzak> I believe artwork is not frozen yet
[09:53] <ruthgard> bugfixes, features and so forth
[09:53] <aapzak> gnome 2.26 is allready inthere
[09:53] <ruthgard> does anyone have the beta torrent file?
[09:53] <crdlb> well, we're well into feature freeze :)
[09:53] <ruthgard> It dont seem to want to be downloaded
[09:54] <aapzak> not me, upgraded 8.10 to 9.04
[09:54] <ruthgard> did anyone try to update 8.10 kubuntu to 9.04 yet?
[09:54] <aapzak> nope, I did Ubuntu
[09:55] <ruthgard> update-manager is not included in kubuntu I noticed, Do I need to install it or can you do the same with the kde update manager?
[09:55] <aapzak> many changes in Kubuntu? You're probably getting kde4.2?
[09:55] <ruthgard> I have tweaked my 8.10 to include 4.2
[09:56] <ruthgard> I was so excited about the plasmoids and all the other niceties that I could not wait for 9.04 :D
[09:56] <aapzak> I used to be a kde fanboy but 4.x is not good enough for me yet :(
[09:56] <shrini> hmw: I had 8.04, worked peacefully even with 512 GB RAM
[09:56] <ruthgard> I like it but its not as stable as gnome yet :)
[09:57] <shrini> hmw: wanted to upgrade, installed 9.04,felt slow, increased RAM to 2 GB. but still slow
[09:57] <aapzak> I use terminals a lot and konsole is just poorly configured, irritates me a lot
[09:57] <ruthgard> konsole just got better :)
[09:57] <aapzak> smaller fonts?
[09:57] <ruthgard> I love what they did with the "bookmark" feature
[09:57] <aapzak> less space between lines?
[09:58] <ruthgard> when you ssh to a server and bookmark it remembers the location in the filesystem, the username and ip-address in the bookmark
[09:58] <hmw> shrini: ps -Aux | pastebinit
[09:58] <hmw> oops
[09:58] <aapzak> I hate the space between the lines. Compare konsole to gnome-terminal, same font, you'll see konsole needs 25% more room on your precious desktop space
[09:58] <ruthgard> It has a pretty big font
[09:58] <shrini> hmw: sure
[09:58] <hmw> shrini: -aux
[09:58] <ruthgard> but I dont mind as I am getting old :D
[09:58]  * crdlb hopes this X works better
[09:58] <ruthgard> I have a BIG screen hehe
[09:58] <aapzak> ruthgard: its the space between the lines I have a problem with
[09:59] <ruthgard> I am not sure about that
[09:59] <aapzak> I am :)
[09:59] <shrini> hmw: there is no - for ps
[09:59] <ruthgard> I dont know how it used to look I just switched to KDE :)
[09:59] <shrini> hmw here is ps aux output http://pastebin.com/f4cce8fd9
[09:59] <ruthgard> look like*
[09:59] <hmw> shrini: ps -aux | pastebinit
[09:59] <aapzak> gnome looks less complicated
[09:59] <aapzak> easy on the eye
[10:00] <hmw> interestinf, shrini, i checked before telling you...!?
[10:00] <ruthgard> I think I will try gnome for a bit when 9.04 goes live
[10:00] <ruthgard> I like to change my desktop around abit every now and then
[10:00] <shrini> hmw: fine
[10:01] <RizR> hi, upgrade to jaunty but booting with kernel 2.6.28-11 doesnt load x server. get a blank black screen with no keyboard working.
[10:01] <RizR> using previous kernel from intrepid however boots it fine with jaunty user env.
[10:02] <fargiolas> does anybody know why the ubuntu netbook remix image iso is compiled for i386? is there any netbook that doesn't mount an atom (lpia) processor?
[10:02] <aapzak> ruthgard: you'll be getting kde 4.2.1 , which you're already running ATM
[10:05] <hmw> shrini: didnt find anything, but i might have to little knowledge. You could try to place the system monitor panel applet, activate everything (additional to cpu: ram, swap, disk, net) and watch. Maybe you get lucky and see something, that helps
[10:05] <ubuntu_> hey there, im trying to test the mapi function for evolution but i cant figure how to do it, its not in the drop down box in evolution, do i need to install something extra?
[10:05] <ruthgard> yes but also other stuff like better network-manager and so on
[10:05] <shrini> hmw: fine
[10:06] <shrini> hmw: any issue with ATI card?
[10:06] <hmw> shrini: possible
[10:06] <fargiolas> alternative question, is there a way to get a jaunty livecd iso with lpia support to make a bootable persistent usb drive?
[10:07] <hmw> shrini: but three seconds to switch tabs in pidgin? hmm... i am sceptical.
[10:07] <shrini> hmw: yes.feel very slow
[10:07] <fargiolas> alternative question 2, is there a way to turn the jaunty-mid-lpia img into a persistent live usb?
[10:08] <hmw> shrini: you said, the hard drive was over-active? that would explain slow speed. Question remains: why is the hard drive in permanent use??
[10:10] <shrini> hmw: no. hard drive is fine
[10:10] <shrini> hmw: the GUI is slow
[10:11] <hmw> shrini: youre running in vesa mode, perhaps?? how bad is scrolling in general?
[10:11] <hmw> shrini: nah no vesa -- compiz works
[10:12] <baastrup> is the mapi plugin in evolution 2.26 ubuntu package???
[10:12] <hmw> shrini: i am out of ideas :(
[10:12] <shrini> hmw: scrolling is slowonly. but managable
[10:12] <crdlb> PSA: don't apply the python updates
[10:13] <hmw> shrini: you could try to remove fglrx and use the open source driver. but i am guessing here
[10:15] <shrini> hmw: how to remove it? there is no package as fglrx
[10:15] <hmw> shrini: maybe something went wrong with the upgrade. You could try to boot the live cd and check, if speed is better
[10:15] <shrini> hmw: I did not upgraded. downloaded the iso. removed all partitions. installed as a fresh one
[10:16] <hmw> ok... misunderstanding.
[10:17] <shrini> hmw: its ok
[10:17] <hmw> shrini: sounds very much like a driver issue to me now. Did you already check the logs?
[10:17] <shrini> hmw: how to check the driver logs?
[10:18] <hmw> shrini: that was a second, not quite related question. I meant the stuff in /var/log
[10:19] <hmw> shrini: Xorg.0.log might contain a clue as well as messages or syslog
[10:19] <color> hi all
[10:19] <color> this is really early for me to get up but i guess that is what soda is for later on
[10:20] <shrini> hmw: xorg log is here http://pastebin.com/f2b71ab75
[10:21] <hmw> okay... i guess, i need to install some coffee first...
[10:21] <color> is moving installs from wubi to native part of 9.04?
[10:23] <apw> does anyone know what the indicator-applet does, why it has a envelope associated with pidgeon, and what that envelope is trying to tell me
[10:23] <crdlb> apw: it's supposed to tell you when there are new messages
[10:24] <color> apw: in 9.04 cna i move an install from wubi to native?
[10:24] <apw> crdlb, what sort of messages, IM's ?
[10:24] <crdlb> yes
[10:24] <apw> so if it never goes away thats wrong
[10:25] <apw> is it something i have enabled?
[10:25] <crdlb> I'm not sure what its persistent appearance is supposed to be
[10:25] <apw> having managed to get my update-notifier back, i am now looking to get rid of this pointless thing, given i get nice OSD thigies with the messages in anyhow
[10:25] <hmw> shrini: is moving windows around also very slow?
[10:26] <shrini> hmw: yes, takes 3 seconds to get focus
[10:26] <hmw> and moving itself slow too?
[10:26] <hmw> shrini: like 1 fps or such?
[10:27] <shrini> hmw:yes. I see trails
[10:27] <shrini> hmw: on moving windows
[10:27] <hmw> ok
[10:28] <color> does jaunty have widgets?
[10:30] <tehwrath> do you get them from screeenlets.org
[10:30] <tehwrath> ?
[10:31] <hmw> shrini: according to the log, your X believes, it works fine. You got the open source "Radeon" driver. I have no idea, if using fglrx would help.
[10:31] <hmw> shrini: i have seen several people here in the last days with ATI problems :(
[10:31] <shrini> hmw: oh. how they fix it/
[10:31] <shrini> ?
[10:32] <thewrath> hmw or shrini ?
[10:32] <hmw> shrini: i didnt follow...
[10:32] <hmw> shrini: i mean
[10:32] <shrini> hmw: its ok
[10:32] <hmw> shrini: i didnt follow, how or if they solved their problems
[10:32] <shrini> hmw: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known%20issues  3rd point tellssomething
[10:33] <thewrath> shrini: i assume you have an intel graphics card?
[10:34] <shrini> lspci | grep VGA => VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)
[10:36] <thewrath> oh ok
[10:36] <thewrath> oh ok since u aaid 3 bullet
[10:36] <thewrath> which is abotu the intel chips i was nto srue
[10:37] <cwillu> anyone familiar with how to move the notifications to another corner?  notification-properties seems to be broken
[10:37] <crdlb> cwillu: because it's for notification-daemon
[10:37] <shrini> thewrath: any issues with ATI cards?
[10:38] <Ng> we should probably put in the topic that the current python update is broken and should not be applied
[10:38] <Ng> (2.6.1-1ubuntu5)
[10:38] <cwillu> crdlb, on my main desktop, the far right corner is quite far to the right :p
[10:38] <cwillu> like, out of my view
[10:39] <rconan> Ng: how broken?
[10:39] <Ng> rconan: pygtk things won't work (e.g. update-manager)
[10:39] <rconan> oof
[10:39] <rconan> that's pretty broken
[10:39] <ikonia> Ng: are you sure ?
[10:39] <Ng> rconan: it's blocked on the main archive, but may be on mirrors. a superceding upload is in progress
[10:39] <Ng> ikonia: see #ubuntu-devel
[10:40] <ikonia> Ng: ahh it's held back thats why I don't see it
[10:40] <rconan> I got 403s trying to download it :p
[10:41] <crdlb> don't use mirrors :D
[10:41] <Ng> rconan: that would be because I chmod -r'd it :)
[10:41] <rconan> Ng: makes sense
[10:42] <rconan> Ng: but how would someone download it to fix it?
[10:42] <rconan> (not me)
[10:42] <rconan> oh... superceding upload in progress...
[10:42] <rconan> didn't see that
[10:42] <crdlb> it doesn't cripple the system, just update-manager
[10:42] <crdlb> it's not like that bad glibc update ;)
[10:42] <hmw> shrini: sorry, i couldnt help...
[10:43] <Ng> sure, it's not the worst update ever :)
[10:43] <ikonia> ughhh topic limit
[10:43] <crdlb> heh
[10:43] <hmw> everyone else: has anybody been improving his jaunty with fglrx instead of radeon?
[10:43] <mvo> I still think its worth blocking it
[10:43] <Ng> and recovery will be easy enough with apt when the fixed version is published
[10:43] <crdlb> shouldn't it go at the beginning anyway?
[10:44] <mvo> hmw: the auto transition for fglrx->ati for intrepid->jaunty is currently not working correctly
[10:44] <hmw> ic, thx
[10:45] <bazhang> s/broke /broken
[10:45]  * crdlb donates some money to python
[10:45] <ikonia> oh bum
[10:46] <hmw> lol
[10:47] <crdlb> silly python, you should have used UTF-8 :D
[10:47] <thewrath> ikonia: what deals wtih pyhton
[10:48] <ikonia> ?
[10:48] <thewrath> when you do updates doesnt it come  with it
[10:48] <ikonia> yes
[10:48] <ikonia> but its held back
[10:48] <ikonia> currenty
[10:48] <thewrath> what in ubuntu uses python
[10:48] <thewrath> oh ok
[10:48] <rconan> update-manager for one
[10:48] <thewrath> k
[10:48] <ikonia> (reading the devel thread now)
[10:48] <ikonia> Ng: thanks !
[10:49] <thewrath> if i have an alpha and update to beta the command i run is the following: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get safe-upgrade?
[10:49] <thewrath> thank you rconan
[10:49] <Ng> ikonia: np :)
[10:49] <rconan> thewrath: "dist-upgrade" is probably better
[10:49] <thewrath> why is that
[10:50] <thewrath> i have been told that command as well  but like 5 others to upgrader
[10:50] <cwillu> thewrath, your normal upgrade procedure will do it just fine
[10:50] <thewrath> if i had all the updates right bfore the beta came out
[10:50] <thewrath> do u know how much i would have to download?
[10:50] <cwillu> update manager, aptitude, apt-get, choose your poison :p
[10:50] <thewrath> thanks
[10:50] <cwillu> thewrath, you probably have the beta then
[10:50] <thewrath> for putting it that way
[10:50] <thewrath> how can i tell
[10:50] <crdlb> it doesn't _matter_
[10:50] <cwillu> thewrath, does your choice of poison show any updates?
[10:51] <cwillu> if not, then you're up to date
[10:51] <crdlb> the beta is just an entrypoint for new testers
[10:51] <thewrath> i have not done it yet
[10:51] <thewrath> ok
[10:51] <thewrath> right i understand
[10:51] <rconan> I have a lot of updates since the beta came.. I would guess that all except python are worth having
[10:51] <thewrath> i have 2 machines iwth jaunty
[10:51] <thewrath> checking hte one
[10:51] <thewrath> so do not get python
[10:51] <crdlb> correct
[10:51] <thewrath> and what baout the talk i heard on the brainstorm site to move installs from wubi to native
[10:51] <rconan> if you're using a normal repo url you don't need to do anything
[10:52] <crdlb> don't get anything containing python or libpython
[10:52] <thewrath> so when i update crdlb use the update manager and deselect python
[10:52] <thewrath> i am using reg respo
[10:52] <rconan> yeah
[10:52] <rconan> if your mirrors are archive.ubuntu.com or similar you can't download it due to 403
[10:52] <thewrath> oh ok
[10:54] <thewrath> baseero has been kept back
[10:54] <thewrath> update-manager and udpate-manager-core can be updated through sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:54] <thewrath> should i do those?
[10:55] <crdlb> yes, those should be fine
[10:56] <shrini> hmw: no issue. Do i haveto file a bug?
[10:56] <hmw> shrini: i dont know.
[10:57] <hmw> i just filed my first bug ever yesterday *g*
[10:57] <bromic94> hey all
[10:57] <bromic94> i got it running
[10:57] <bromic94> on the machine one that is running ubuntu
[10:58] <bromic94> and its updated
[10:58] <amortvigil> hello my kubuntu freezes alot randomly im not sure what causes it ive been googeling for days and have asked it here for days , there are a lot bugreports and there are a lot of google hit but im not shure what fixes it
[10:59] <bromic94> possibly graphics card
[10:59] <uniscript> any reason why I get 403 forbidden when trying to upgrade python2.6?
[11:00] <cwillu> uniscript, the usual, it's an update you really really don't want :p
[11:00] <cwillu> the replacement is coming
[11:00] <uniscript> clearly :)
[11:00] <bazhang> see the topic
[11:00] <amortvigil> hey cwillu:) i have reduced the ammount of craches by disabeling effects :) but it still crashes alot!
[11:01] <uniscript> bazhang: I realise the topic hence my job to get there first so that when it is ready all our packages are ready
[11:02] <mnemo> uniscript: not that part of the topic
[11:02] <mnemo> uniscript: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[11:02] <amortvigil> cwillu: now im on irc ive 1 browser open and i had a constand cpu peak of 100% :S
[11:02] <uniscript> aha, thanks
[11:02] <amortvigil> now its over again
[11:03] <BUGabundo> back
[11:03] <mnemo> amortvigil: there is a pulseaudio bug right now that causes CPU spikes when you start audio.. maybe that was what you saw?
[11:04] <amortvigil> mnemo: since when is this update applied?
[11:05] <Alastair_> awww
[11:05] <mnemo> amortvigil: the bad package hit the repos this morning and the fixed package is being uploaded right now
[11:06] <Alastair_> i was just hoping that something is wrong in my TV, but it seems everyone is having problems with python :p
[11:06] <amortvigil> mnemo: i updated yesterday and there are no new updates
[11:06] <bromic94> who ever was helping me with update to beta look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/138871/
[11:06] <uniscript> is there a way to turn off various pidgin announcements like when people join and leave?
[11:06] <bromic94> that is after i did sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:07] <cwillu> bromic94, sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[11:07] <cwillu> does a better job of handling those situations
[11:08] <hmw> uniscript: yes. look into the settings dialog. you might also want to take a closer look to the plugins.
[11:08] <fat_rat> how 9.04 is working on eee?
[11:08] <thewrath1> sorry about that
[11:08] <thewrath1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/138871/
[11:09] <amortvigil> mnemo: no its the kpackage... when i scann for updates ik got a full cpu spike
[11:09] <cwillu> fat_rat, the eeepc I'm in charge of is out of the province at the moment, I won't be able to test it on 9.04 for another month or so :p
[11:09] <uniscript> hmw: thanks yes that fixed it.
[11:09] <uniscript> forgot about the plugins
[11:09] <mnemo> amortvigil: ok different bug then, i use gnome
[11:09] <thewrath1> that link i specified needs looked at bc i am not sure if i can update all of those
[11:10] <BUGabundo> FYI alert bug 349462
[11:10] <fat_rat> cwillu: then i have to do it myself ;] ;P
[11:10] <BUGabundo> its going to hit some ppl today
[11:10] <hmw> uniscript: i turned off the notifications in the plugon
[11:10] <cwillu> fat_rat, afaik, it's in better shape than it was in gutsy
[11:10] <hmw> plugoins...
[11:10] <hmw> GAH
[11:10] <amortvigil> is it normal that if you have enough ram youre swap isnt used?
[11:10] <cwillu> amortvigil, generally yes
[11:10] <hmw> amortvigil: very much so
[11:11] <amortvigil> okay:)
[11:11] <hmw> i never saw my swap being used until today... hmm...
[11:11] <cwillu> amortvigil, except in particular circumstances, it's preferable to keep things in memory :p
[11:11] <rconan> hmm... anyone else had Xorg taking 100% CPU?
[11:11] <thewrath1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/138871/ <--- I went through the update manager and updated everything but python
[11:11] <cwillu> heavy file traffic might cause swap out of apps in order to free up memory for cache, that sort of thing
[11:11] <thewrath1> is that corret cwillu ?
[11:11] <amortvigil> rconan: lol im talking about it all the time
[11:12] <rconan> amortvigil: must have missed it
[11:12] <rconan> is it bugged?
[11:12] <amortvigil> rconan: it can be pulse audio
[11:12] <amortvigil> it can be nvidia
[11:12] <amortvigil> it can be xorg
[11:12] <vbgunz> I believe a package may be bad, just not sure what package it is. I can no longer import pyscopg2 into a python session. I get an ImportError -> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so: undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_Decode
[11:12] <vbgunz> anyone know if this is a known issue?
[11:12] <amortvigil> it can be unknown too rconan
[11:12] <thewrath1> python is broken
[11:12] <rconan> on my system it's always the Xorg process
[11:13] <mnemo> vbgunz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[11:13] <cwillu> some day I'll fix the human genome, such that people read topics and release notes before asking questions that are answered in those topics and release notes :p
[11:13]  * cwillu glares at vbgunz :p
[11:13] <vbgunz> mnemo: wow, you are _amazing_. good looking out :)
[11:13] <hmw> lol.... i want to see that update, cwillu
[11:13] <hmw> i fear, you gotta rewrite the whole thingy
[11:13] <rconan> vbgunz: :p it's in the topic
[11:14] <vbgunz> heh
[11:14] <cwillu> hmw, well, really I'm just in it for all the people who'll sign up for the alpha's before reading my release notes
[11:14] <vbgunz> I just ran //topic. my bad. its right there
[11:14] <cwillu> yes, yes it is :p
[11:14] <hmw> lol
[11:14] <rconan> amortvigil: for me it is always firefox being slow which I notice... how about you?
[11:15] <maxagaz> hi
[11:15] <rconan> in fact... it always seems to be when I'm looking at launchpad
[11:15] <amortvigil> rconan: evey program wich uses network makes cpu spikes
[11:15]  * irunongames is away: Gone away for now
[11:15] <maxagaz> which version of mysql is installed with 9.04-server and is it stable already ?
[11:15] <uniscript> firefox has a special mode when it is talking to launchpad to make it render more slowly, or perhaps it's just that launchpad is a slow site. hmm
[11:16] <cwillu> !info mysql
[11:16] <rconan> I'm unable to even scroll in launchpad, even after it has loaded the whole thing
[11:16] <cwillu> hmm
[11:16] <cwillu> !info mysql-server
[11:16] <frybye> launchpad could apparently use a medium size server FARM and a small size hydro electric station to power it I suspect...
[11:17] <cwillu> !info mysql-server-5.1
[11:17] <cwillu> maxagaz, take your pick
[11:17] <frybye> - especially on the day after a beta-release...
[11:17] <rconan> but it's already downloaded! my computer should be able to handle scrolling down a loaded page
[11:18] <cwillu> rconan, what video chipset?
[11:18] <rconan> nvidia
[11:18] <cwillu> nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[11:18] <cwillu> and minimize and reopen
[11:18] <hmw> dtchen is asleep, i guess?
[11:19] <cwillu> BUGabundo, quit your showing off :p
[11:19] <BUGabundo> me??
[11:19] <BUGabundo> I was so quiet!
[11:19] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I saw you in -mozillateam :p
[11:19] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:19] <BUGabundo> I just replied to asac
[11:20] <BUGabundo> it was not my intention to break Ubuntu beta
[11:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:21] <thewrath> BUGabundo: what you broke Jaunty Beta?
[11:21] <BUGabundo> python
[11:21] <BUGabundo> bug 349462
[11:23] <BUGabundo> thewrath: cwillu is picking on me, cause I reported it
[11:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:23] <thewrath> so you are hte one i have to thankful to
[11:23] <thewrath> being honest
[11:23] <thewrath> so i didnt get the python updates
[11:23]  * Ienorand is launchpad-stalking devs.
[11:23] <thewrath> *so i deselected the python updates
[11:23] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I've been digging on bug #277903 and think I've found a BIOS bug. I wonder if you might be able to do a test on it at some point?
[11:23] <thewrath> bbl restart
[11:23] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: for me most of those bugs are FS related
[11:23] <BUGabundo> formating the usbdisk on linux will solve most cases
[11:23] <rconan> cwillu: that didn't really help
[11:23] <rconan> still dodgy
[11:23]  * BUGabundo checks bug
[11:23] <cwillu> rconan, k, it's something else then
[11:24] <cwillu> which I might see in an hour or so once I can reboot into the new xorg
[11:24] <rconan> I had it yesterday too
[11:24] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: there's a BIOS bug too, that is at the root of it
[11:24] <vbgunz> sorry. I dont download anything from launchpad. it says critical fixed released. But you cannot download the fix? have to wait?
[11:24] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: nice find
[11:24] <rconan> vbgunz: fix is in the process of being uploaded to repos
[11:24] <BUGabundo> by the way IntuitiveNipple netspeed applet seems to be working again
[11:25] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: Was that a result of gtk fixes?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> don't know
[11:25] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: So far the new gtk/gdk looks to be a right mess
[11:25] <BUGabundo> just began working today
[11:25] <BUGabundo> after I changed the device to monitor
[11:25] <TychoQuad> I'm trying to update to jaunty, but I'm getting "W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch" is there a way i can re-get the hashes?
[11:25] <vbgunz> bug 277903
[11:26] <BUGabundo> TychoQuad: python is broken today! devs have 403 some files!!!
[11:26] <rconan> that's not TychoQuad's problem though
[11:27] <TychoQuad> oh, so no updating until python is fixed?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: humm recently all usb-creator disks I've done Work OK!
[11:27] <rconan> TychoQuad: have you tried doing sudo apt-get update again?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> TychoQuad: no update python until fix, great idea
[11:27] <TychoQuad> I've tried it like 6 times