[12:27] <mhz> hi there
[12:27] <mhz> I may need some assistance
[12:28] <arkan0x> mhz, hi
[12:28] <mhz> holas
[12:28] <arkan0x> man~ana vas al cdsl ?
[12:28] <mhz> sipo
[12:29] <arkan0x> rlz
[12:29] <mhz> I have 2 issues
[12:30] <mhz> when booting, the pc gets stuck at: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts   does not exist. PDF support disabled
[12:30] <mhz> it stays there for about 1 minute
[12:31] <mhz> then it continues but gets stuck again at:  checking battery state .... ok
[12:31] <mhz> obviously, by pressing Alt+F1 I get to a login prompt
[12:32] <mhz> Alt+F8 still shows the attery checking'stuff
[12:32] <mhz> Alt+F8 still shows the battery checking'stuff
[12:32] <mhz> highvoltage, any ideas_
[12:32] <mhz> highvoltage, any ideas?
[12:33] <mhz> ogra, any?
[12:35] <mhz> oh, it seems i installed a pre-release candidate
[12:35] <mhz> duh!
[12:35] <mhz> maybe all stuff has been worked on
[12:36] <mhz> arkan0x, a que hora necesitas que vaya? ira JCI ?
[12:37] <mhz> sabes si hay forma de revisar el cable de 15 mts que tengo? (cupongo que tiene pifia en algun segmento)
[12:37] <mhz> debo deslogearm un rato
[12:37] <mhz> vuelvo mas tarde
[01:07] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:09] <kjcole> Quiet place.
[01:09] <dnB> HiveDrone, can someone tell me the command to upgrade ubuntu 5.10 to edubuntu 5.10?
[01:09] <crimsun> dnB: sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> hey
[01:10] <Lord_Athur> can I install edubuntu 5.10 with hoary?
[01:11] <kjcole> Lord_Athur: Something specific you like about hoary over breezy?  Or is dist-upgrade not a good idea?
[01:12] <crimsun> Lord_Athur: you'll have to dist-upgrade to Breezy first
[01:12] <Lord_Athur> I did this crimsun but my sistem could not load the graphic envioment
[01:13] <dnB> couldnt find any packages whose name or description matched "edubuntu-desktop"
[01:13] <crimsun> dnB: are you running 5.10 with the main repository enabled?
[01:13] <dnB> i have no idea to be honest, just finished a netboot install and im at a command line
[01:14] <dnB> :P
[01:14] <dnB> i also tried sudo apt-get update and it failed
[01:14] <dnB> know how i can manually add correct repositories?
[01:14] <crimsun> is networking correctly configured?
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> :S
[01:14] <dnB> it should be, i dont know how to check from command line
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> no one+
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> :P
[01:14] <dnB> and apparently no gui was installed
[01:14] <kjcole> dnB: ifconfig
[01:15] <dnB> thanks brb
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> how can I upgrade my repositories?
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> exist a command for this?
[01:15] <dnB> looks fine kjcole
[01:15] <dnB> crimsun, yeah network is correct, i was having problems with apt during the install though
[01:16] <crimsun> Lord_Athur: sudo sed -i s/hoary/breezy/ /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <kjcole> dnB: ping somewhere to see if you're reaching out to the world.
[01:16] <dnB> lol nope
[01:16] <dnB> im not
[01:16] <dnB> what do i need to edit to get network setup correctly?
[01:17] <kjcole> dnB: Soooo... your system knows it's IP address (so sayeth ifconfig) but it doesn't see the world.  Static IP or DHCP?
[01:17] <dnB> dhcp
[01:17] <dnB> and gedit isnt here either ;(
[01:17] <dnB> i wish the cdrom was working so i could use a disc
[01:18] <dnB> do you know how i can edit so that i can fix and get packages?
[01:18] <dnB> hrm,  my  router returns a ping
[01:19] <dnB> indefinitely apparently :D
[01:19] <kjcole> dnB: Yeah, a lot of stuff used to respond to ping forever.
[01:19] <dnB> do you happen to know which file i should edit to get this working correctly?
[01:19] <kjcole> dnB: During bootup, do you know if it sees the CD drive?
[01:20] <dnB> it does, the cdrom just doesnt read right
[01:21] <kjcole> dnB: What's the symptom?
[01:21] <dnB> cant read files
[01:21] <dnB> trying to make do without it for the moment though
[01:21] <dnB> apparently it installed vim as the only text editor
[01:21] <kjcole> dnB: but it mounts okay?
[01:22] <dnB> yeah, it finds it
[01:22] <dnB> just has errors when reading files
[01:22] <kjcole> dnB: possibly a burn-speed issue with the CD itself.  Any other CD's handy that you can try reading?
[01:23] <dnB> newp :)
[01:23] <kjcole> dnB: You're no fun. ;-)
[01:23] <dnB> lol i know
[01:24] <dnB> ok i Vim'ed /etc/network/interfaces, dont really know what im looking at
[01:24] <kjcole> dnB: So, clearly, you're on the net somewhere at the moment.  Does the machine you're on read the CD okay?
[01:24] <dnB> the machine im on also has a busted cdrom lol
[01:24] <dnB> however this one is under warranty and will be replaced soon
[01:24] <dnB> so cdrom isnt an option :(
[01:25] <dnB> the last line in /interfaces is "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[01:25] <dnB> sounds right, ya?
[01:26] <dnB> also, when i try to ping outside the lan, it doesnt time out, just says unknown host
[01:26] <kjcole> dnB: It does... (I wish I could double-check, but I'm sitting at work in front of a Fedora box at the moment.  My Edubuntu machine is sitting at home.)
[01:26] <dnB> :) ah
[01:27] <dnB> well i have no idea what to do from this point on
[01:27] <dnB> i think ill reboot
[01:27] <dnB> and hope something goes differently
[01:27] <dnB> dont understand why im missing so many packages either
[01:27] <dnB> :/
[01:28] <kjcole> dnB: Good luck. I think I'm going to split, and try to get back on when I get home, so that I know what I'm talking about. ;-))
[01:28] <dnB> thanks kjcole :)
[03:19] <mhz> hi
[05:12] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[05:12] <mhz> arkan0x: ira reinaldo?
[05:13] <arkan0x> mmm se supone que si , pero como alas 2
[05:13] <mhz> shhhaaa
[05:13] <arkan0x> pq a ese hora sale de clase
[05:13] <mhz> quien pondra el desayuno?
[05:13] <mhz> :)
[05:13] <arkan0x> emmm , beto
[05:13] <mhz> estara abierto el sindicato?
[05:14] <arkan0x> se supone que si , pero llega como alas 1130 mejol
[05:14] <mhz> AFAIK, tienen fama de ser tardios
[05:14] <mhz> y tu?
[05:14] <arkan0x> yo llego cmo alas 1130
[05:16] <mhz> ah, ok.
[05:16] <mhz> te puedo pedir un gran GRAN favor?
[05:17] <mhz> podrias imprimir al menos 1 adhesivo de edubuntu (te mando el logo en el formato que me indiques)
[05:18] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[05:18] <arkan0x> ya
[05:18] <arkan0x> pero ojo , es blanco y negro nu ma
[05:21] <mhz> si claro
[05:21] <mhz> te mando el logo de fondo blanco y figura en negro
[05:21] <arkan0x> ya
[05:22] <mhz> lo necesito en pequeno, no mas ancho que el hackaday
[05:22] <mhz> bkn
[05:22] <mhz> en que formato te sirve/prefieres?
[05:24] <arkan0x> png
[05:26] <mhz> ok... estoy en eso
[05:28] <mhz> arkan0x: imprime escala de grises?
[05:28] <arkan0x> mmm nu sabo
[05:28] <mhz> ok
[05:28] <arkan0x> probemos igual
[05:28] <mhz> negro entonces sera
[05:28] <mhz> te mandare 1 y 1
[05:40] <mhz> ya
[05:40] <mhz> donde te los mando, arkan0x
[05:40] <mhz> ?
[05:42] <arkan0x> mail
[05:43] <mhz> okidoki
[05:46] <mhz> arkan0x: ping en query
[05:50] <arkan0x> mhz,
[05:51] <mhz> enviados
[05:51] <arkan0x> okis
[06:17] <mhz> nos vemos, Mr. Rlz
[06:17] <mhz> gracias por la impresion
[02:30] <mhz> hi
[02:30] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[02:30] <mhz> gday
[02:31] <Yagisan> managed to hurt myself the other day
[02:32] <Yagisan> getting pains all up and down my right arm
[02:32] <mhz> Yagisan: why? how?
[02:32] <Yagisan> Doctor said it is "Repetitive Strain Injury", and I should take a rest from using the computer
[02:32] <mhz> wow
[02:32] <mhz> that is SERIOUS
[02:33] <Yagisan> so, I nodded and said yes, and have been trying to do it left handed
[02:33] <Yagisan> as I can't eat, if I don't use the pc
[02:33] <Yagisan> so it has slowed me down
[02:34] <Yagisan> doctor said I use the pc/mouse too much, and pick my girl up too much with just my right arm
[02:34] <mhz> oh, how about 'voice commands'?
[02:35] <Yagisan> It has made me look into a better voice command system
[02:35] <Yagisan> but that doesn't seem very functional
[02:35] <Yagisan> at the moment :(
[02:37] <Yagisan> I can find things that eg open www browsers
[02:37] <Yagisan> but no open source things that also do dictation style input
[02:39] <Yagisan> mhz, good luck at CDSL
[02:40] <stef_> Hi
[02:41] <Yagisan> G'day stef_
[02:41] <stef_> I've got a question
[02:41] <stef_> Can U help ?
[02:42] <Yagisan> stef_: maybe - what's wrong ?
[02:42] <ogra> depends what your question is :)
[02:42] <ogra> just ask ;)
[02:42] <stef_> I'm new to this Edubuntu, I've workt with Ubuntu for a few months now.
[02:43] <stef_> I've got Edubuntu installed, and it looks verry nice. Thanks for the great job.
[02:43] <stef_> but....
[02:44] <stef_> When I startup a client to log on to the edubuntu server it hangs at the login prompt.
[02:44] <ogra> define "hangs"
[02:44] <ogra> you got a graphical login ?
[02:44] <stef_> I see the graphical login, but after the login it trows me back to the login again.
[02:45] <ogra> ok
[02:45] <ogra> check the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
[02:45] <Yagisan> that sounds like the ssh keys issue
[02:45] <ogra> it should contain a key (long line with letters and numbers)
[02:45] <stef_> During startup I see a few 'fails'. I'm not sure what they are. It flashes tru the screen.
[02:46] <ogra> thats normal, ignore them
[02:46] <Yagisan> startup fails are harmless
[02:46] <stef_> Ok, so thats normal. I thought that would be the problem.
[02:46] <ogra> the startscripts are not adjusted for readonly filesystems yet...
[02:46] <ogra> its cosmetic
[02:46] <stef_> So I have to concentrate on SSH ?
[02:46] <ogra> yup
[02:47] <stef_> OK. I'll take a look at that.
[02:47] <ogra> check this file, if its empty or nonexistesnt, run_
[02:47] <Yagisan> on the server run ltsp-update-sshkeys and reboot the client
[02:47] <Yagisan> ha - beat you then ogra
[02:47] <stef_> OK.
[02:47] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
[02:47] <ogra> Yagisan, missed sudo ;p
[02:47] <Yagisan> my arm is now killing me
[02:47] <ogra> i know that feeling, have rsi too...
[02:47] <ogra> take some days off
[02:48] <stef_> Working on this now, also be back in a few sec.
[02:49] <Yagisan> re
[02:49] <Yagisan> ogra, I wish I could take some time off
[02:50] <Yagisan> but I can't
[02:50] <ogra> try to find another position for working.... moveyour body every half hour ....
[02:50] <ogra> (get a dog and go walking frequently ;) )
[02:51] <Yagisan> well, I get a new baby in a few days
[02:51] <Yagisan> that means I will cook, and clean, and make house
[02:52] <ogra> fine :)
[02:52] <Yagisan> so I won't get to touch the pc as much
[02:52] <ogra> that will help a bit
[02:55] <Yagisan> I hope so. ogra, your rsi - also your arm ?
[02:56] <ogra> yup, right elbow
[02:57] <ogra> and sometimes the sholder
[02:57] <Yagisan> that sounds just like mine
[02:57] <ogra> it comes and goes
[02:57] <Yagisan> my wrist is ok
[02:58] <Yagisan> it is the inside (folded) part of the elbow that hurts most
[02:58] <ogra> for me its the ankle
[02:58] <ogra> and rather the outside part
[02:58] <mhz> i used to have that in my lower arm
[02:59] <mhz> esp. after a bike stupid accident
[02:59] <mhz> on which i landed with my elbow
[03:00] <stef_> Guys, do I need to reboot for the changes ?
[03:00] <mhz> nope
[03:00] <Yagisan> mhz, I have stories to tell about bike accidents
[03:00] <stef_> DHCPD won't start.
[03:00] <Yagisan> stef_: just the client
[03:00] <ogra> stef_, you need to reboot the client
[03:00] <stef_> another problem ?
[03:00] <ogra> yup
[03:00] <ogra> is the interface up ?
[03:01] <mhz> ogra: I have successfully login after updating ssh. no need to reboot client
[03:01] <ogra> (the one that serves the clients)
[03:01] <stef_> Yes, I dit, but the client can't get a IP. It worked fine before.
[03:01] <Yagisan> stef_: did you change anything with the dhcp configuration ?
[03:01] <stef_> Not since the last reboot.
[03:01] <stef_> interface, taht a good one ;-) I'll check.
[03:01] <ogra> and you only edited /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, not /etc/dhcpd.conf, right ?
[03:02] <ogra> (like the docs say)
[03:03] <Yagisan> mhz - there was one accident where I crashed and had the handle bar punch a hole through my abdomen
[03:03] <stef_> Yep.
[03:04] <mhz> ogra: so, is it logical i never rebooted non_logedin_clients after running key updates?
[03:04] <stef_> Interface is up (2'nd network card)
[03:04] <mhz> Yagisan: you were nuts then
[03:04] <mhz> xtreme Yagi
[03:05] <Yagisan> mhz: nope, someone "helped" by shoving a metal bar into the front wheel
[03:05] <stef_> Is'nt there a nice webinterface to check these items ?
[03:05] <mhz> Yagisan: any way I can get to know why a RJ45 cable works once in a while? Any way I can get to determine which segment may be broken?
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: you need a cable tester
[03:06] <mhz> duh!
[03:06] <mhz> lol
[03:06] <mhz> Yagisan: nice friends you ha
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: it sends signals down the cable and measures the time it takes to reflect
[03:06] <mhz> Yagisan: nice friends you had
[03:06] <Yagisan> mhz: Oh, I didn't call them friends
[03:07] <Yagisan> mhz: some new asus m/b have built in cable tester
[03:07] <Yagisan> stef_: no, no web interface
[03:07] <mhz> oh, you recited names of their mothers and family?
[03:07] <mhz> :D
[03:08] <mhz> asus rocks!
[03:08] <Yagisan> mhz: No, I just made them feel "inadequate" in many sensitive respects
[03:08] <stef_> hmm, pitty. But there is a kind of webinterface to the teacherstool/pet ?
[03:08] <ogra> stef_, and the ip matches the range you gave in dhcpd.conf ?
[03:08] <ogra> stef_, nope, no webinterface... the target is to make it just work, so you wont need to look at these files in the naext release anymore
[03:08] <stef_> something like http://localhost:7xx
[03:09] <Yagisan> stef_: as edubuntu is mostly plug in and turn on
[03:09] <mhz> stef_: probably WebMin
[03:09] <Yagisan> you don't need to change much (if anything)
[03:09] <ogra> stef_, there is no teachertool yet... only a spec
[03:09] <stef_> I could install WebMin.
[03:09] <Yagisan> mhz: I object to webmin on security grounds
[03:09] <mhz> stef_: "probably" WebMin :D
[03:10] <Yagisan> stef_: you would need to reconfigure webmin extensively
[03:10] <stef_> I played with it a few time, maybe I screwed up something. I'll try a fresh install.
[03:10] <mhz> Yagisan: I agree, however, he asks
[03:10] <stef_> Thanks for the help.
[03:10] <ogra> stef_, if its only the dhcp, thats faster to fix than doing a reinstall
[03:10] <Yagisan> yes, but I'm sure we can find a better tool for him
[03:11] <mhz> stef_: could you paste somewhere
[03:11] <mhz> ?
[03:11] <stef_> It should work right 'out of the box'
[03:11] <ogra> post your ifconfi output and the content of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to a pastebin
[03:11] <mhz> maybe this way we can all see potential errors
[03:11] <ogra> *ifconfig
[03:11] <Yagisan> and fix them
[03:12] <Belutz> ogra, ping!
[03:12] <ogra> Belutz, pong
[03:13] <Belutz> ogra, are there any edubuntu evangelist near Indonesia?
[03:13] <ogra> Belutz, jsgotango
[03:13] <Belutz> ah i see
[03:13] <Yagisan> stef_: there is a pastebin here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:13] <Belutz> do you think he is free on december 3rd?
[03:14] <Belutz> i think he said something about korea in december
[03:14] <ogra> no idea, you need to catch and ask him
[03:14] <ogra> he has a new job afaik
[03:14] <stef_> Ahh, the pastbin. Hold on.
[03:14] <Belutz> yes, i read that on p.u.c
[03:14] <mhz> ogra: any news on ML? I had wikied a ChileanLoCo team on the council page and Rolando Blanco deleted it and kept the LatinAmerican LoCo :(
[03:15] <ogra> put it up again for discussion, make a note aside it that you will re add it to get it discussed ;)
[03:15] <mhz> hehehehehehe
[03:16] <Belutz> hmm there going to be a debian conference in indonesia, and i'm thinking if there could be someone from ubuntu that could come, if there is, i will ask the event commitee to make the slot available for edubuntu/ubuntu presentation
[03:16] <mhz> ogra: very polite solution
[03:16] <ogra> :)
[03:16] <ogra> Belutz, cool :)
[03:16] <mhz> Belutz: and if there isn't, you can become one
[03:16] <ogra> i hope jsgotango finds time for it... i'm not aware of anyone else who could fill the gap :)
[03:16] <Belutz> mhz, yes, although i'm now a member, but i don't think i'm ready to do a presentation
[03:17] <Yagisan> too far for me atm
[03:17] <mhz> oh
[03:17] <Belutz> the guest speaker will be Richard M. Stallman
[03:17] <stef_> Yagisan: I'm new to this pastbin, but i put the output of ifconfig and dhcpd.conf in the pastbin.
[03:17] <mhz> i hope he changes his talk this time :)
[03:17] <ogra> stef_, it should have given you a url, post this here
[03:18] <Belutz> i'm thinking that if someone from edubuntu could come, then we could distribute edubuntu to elementary school for the whole country
[03:18] <Belutz> but of course, i have to do a lot translation before it could be done
[03:18] <stef_> I've posted it.
[03:18] <Yagisan> stef_] s url http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4408
[03:19] <stef_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4408
[03:19] <stef_> too late '-)
[03:19] <ogra> Belutz, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ there is my (not very good) talk from ubuntu love day... but you could use it as a base
[03:19] <Yagisan> stef_ you subnet is for an interface you are not connected to
[03:20] <Yagisan>  subnet<IP_ADDRESS>netmask<IP_ADDRESS>{
[03:20] <Belutz> ogra, ok, i'll take a look at it :-)
[03:20] <Yagisan> change 100 to 0
[03:20] <stef_> eth 1 ?
[03:20] <ogra> stef_, thats <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:20] <ogra> stef_, make that <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:20] <ogra> and it will work
[03:21] <ogra> the dhcp server can only work if the ip of the interface matches the range in dhcpd.conf
[03:21] <ogra> so either change the file or the ip of the interfac
[03:22] <ogra> e
[03:22] <stef_> Yep, it works. But......
[03:23] <ogra> ?
[03:23] <stef_> What about this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[03:23] <stef_> I changed all the 0 to 100
[03:23] <ogra> Follow these steps after the install (you need to know the IP address you used on install; in the following example we'll assume the IP <IP_ADDRESS> was chosen as the IP address during install):
[03:24] <ogra> ;)
[03:24] <ogra> and....
[03:24] <ogra> If you selected an IP similar to 192.168.0.XXX (where XXX is a number between 1 and 254) during install, there is no need to read on, as your server will already be configured.
[03:24] <stef_> Ok, but the client starts up now .
[03:24] <ogra> its in the top section ;)
[03:24] <stef_> So i'm happy.
[03:24] <ogra> great
[03:26] <stef_> Guys/girls IT WORKS !! Thanks for your help.
[03:26] <ogra> :)
[03:26] <ogra> great ...
[03:27] <stef_> learned again. Even NAT works. I'll go futher from here.
[03:27] <stef_> Thanks again. And see you later.
[03:27] <stef_> Bye
[03:28] <Yagisan> execellent - donations to #edubunu users with rsi, c/o you capital city :)
[03:28] <mhz> LOL!!!
[03:28] <stef_> ;-)
[03:28] <ogra> *grin*
[03:28] <mhz> ikks: ping
[03:29] <ikks> pong pm
[03:33] <mhz> ogra: so ML will depend on Councils decission to accept me as 'member'?
[03:33] <ogra> mhz, yup
[03:33] <mhz> ok
[03:34] <ikks> mhz sincronizando SystemPagesInSpanishGroup y SystemPagesInEnglishGroup
[03:34] <mhz> and do most of them also notice that edubuntu is much more education/social stuff than linux?
[03:34] <mhz> ikks: ohhh, por eso la demora :D
[03:35] <mhz> arkan0x: te pille!!!!
[03:35] <mhz> aun no vas al CDSL!!!
[03:35] <mhz> Yagisan: you must not write
[03:35] <mhz> :)
[03:35] <mhz> nor complain
[03:36] <ikks> mhz I'm sending you private messages :)
[03:36] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm not complaining - I just can't contribute in spanish
[03:36] <mhz> arkan0x: edubuntu adhesives ready?
[03:37] <mhz> Yagisan: your japaneese is imporoving. I hope you realize you could write from right to left :)
[03:37] <arkan0x> mhz, ! yea
[03:37] <arkan0x> mhz, eske ayer te imprimi algunos , pero no salelieron bien
[03:37] <mhz> ohhhh, thanz
[03:38] <arkan0x> eran de 4x5 cm
[03:38] <mhz> rlz
[03:38] <mhz> y no se v ein bien?
[03:38] <arkan0x> ahora toy probando de 3x3 cm
[03:38] <mhz> aahh
[03:38] <mhz> ok
[03:38] <Yagisan> mhz: yeah, but right to left is for vertical text, otherwise it is left to right :)
[03:38] <arkan0x> podrias mandarme algunos con mas resolucion
[03:38] <mhz> arkan0x: sip
[03:38] <arkan0x> onda mas grandes para que se impriman de 4x5 cm salgan mas rlz
[03:39] <mhz> arkan0x: cuan grande era el mas grande?
[03:39] <arkan0x> onda yo imprimi unos debian y kedaron bakan chikos
[03:39] <mhz> (how big was the bigger)
[03:39] <Yagisan> brb - need to test bug report on deng
[03:39] <arkan0x> haber
[03:39] <mhz> Yagisan: have nice evening
[03:40] <arkan0x> era de 214x268
[03:40] <mhz> se ve bien?
[03:40] <arkan0x> nu tanto
[03:40] <mhz> does that look good?
[03:40] <arkan0x> en 4x5
[03:40] <mhz> entronces necesitas mayor resolucion solamente?
[03:40] <arkan0x> yep
[03:41] <mhz> then you need more resolution only?
[03:41] <mhz> ok
[03:41] <mhz> tienes tiempo ahora? seguro?
[03:41] <mhz> have time now? sure?
[03:42] <arkan0x> eeee , mandamelos dp , igual te voy a imprimir de 3x3 y te llevo una hoja pa ke imprimai tu
[03:42] <mhz> ogra: arkan0x is printing me a couple of stickers to test
[03:42] <arkan0x> tengo ke irme pal cdsl
[03:42] <mhz> okidoki
[03:42] <mhz> arkan0x: nos belmont
[03:42] <ogra> mhz, cool :)
[03:42] <mhz> c ya
[03:42] <Yagisan> bye mhz
[03:43] <arkan0x> mhz, byez!
[03:43] <mhz> ogra: in case we dont see until tuesday, please cross your fingers on monday at 17:00 (chilean time)
[03:43] <ogra> i'll do :)
[03:43] <mhz> i have the meeting (most important one so faR) with an organization that coordinates 1000 schools in chile
[03:44] <mhz> if they get motivated with edubuntu, then can kick some butts here
[03:45] <ogra> yay
[03:46] <mhz> this year GOv. supported Edulinux on almost 600 schools
[03:46] <mhz> however, unsuccessfully
[03:46] <mhz> they failed at training and motivating
[03:47] <mhz> and they failed because the promoted 'linux' instead of 'educational tools and solution'
[03:49] <mhz> bye all
[03:49] <mhz> nice weekend, in case we dont see
[07:34] <bluefrog-10> can edubuntu (out of the box) on P4,celeron.. can be used with a thin client AMD processor, pls?
[07:42] <ogra> amd64 ?
[07:42] <ogra> or 32 bit ?
[07:42] <bluefrog-10> no k7 normal amd 32
[07:42] <ogra> that will work fine
[07:43] <bluefrog-10> have pb though
[07:43] <ogra> just make sure you use the generic kernel for them
[07:43] <ogra> dont use the 686 kernel...
[07:43] <bluefrog-10> ok coming from that
[07:43] <bluefrog-10> so 386, correct?
[07:43] <ogra> yup
[07:44] <ogra> thats the generic x86 kernel
[07:44] <bluefrog-10> if iam running 86 but have 386 ibstalled as well would that work?
[07:44] <ogra> the performance win you get with the 686 kernel is marginal anyway
[07:44] <bluefrog-10> k
[07:44] <bluefrog-10> so i have to change back
[07:44] <ogra> the 386 is the default kernel you have installed
[07:45] <ogra> and run sudo ltsp-update-kernels after that
[07:45] <bluefrog-10> it's ok i will let 386 from normal install
[07:45] <ogra> yup
[07:46] <bluefrog-10> by chance do u have a handy link on how to use /etc/skel?
[07:46] <ogra> nope
[07:46] <ogra> i guess google is your friend ;)
[07:46] <bluefrog-10> yep found some stuff
[07:46] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu is looking in /etc/skel, correct?
[07:47] <ogra> if you want to change gnome settings, gconf is very easy to manipulate
[07:47] <ogra> thats app depand
[07:47] <bluefrog-10> yes but i have a bit of difficulty right now to understand how that translate to/etc/skel
[07:48] <bluefrog-10> afterwards u made your change, found an howto for hoary will try it
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> thought there was some stuff in /etc/skel but the only thing i find are 2 bash.rc files
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> or something similar
[07:49] <ogra> yup, thats a debian default
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> ok so if i really want to use /etc/skel have to do it myself, correct?
[07:50] <ogra> yup
[07:50] <bluefrog-10> by reok
[07:50] <bluefrog-10> ok ty
[08:02] <highvoltage> \sh: ping
[08:02] <\sh> highvoltage: pong
[08:04] <highvoltage> \sh: if i use your lpbugs.py script, will it show in launchpad immediately, or only after lp runs its cron script?
[08:04] <highvoltage> and will i receive notification?
[08:05] <\sh> highvoltage: 1. u will receive notification 2. after LP runs it
[08:05] <\sh> 's cron script
[08:05] <\sh> highvoltage: and your used email address must be bound to your LP account
[08:07] <highvoltage> i haven't received notification yet :/
[08:07] <\sh> highvoltage: i don't actually know what happend to launchpad today
[08:07] <\sh> highvoltage: please ask siretart...he knows more
[08:08] <highvoltage> ok.
[08:37] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu 386, thin client AMD semprom 2200, in server log Ihave tftp client doesn't accept options, is it talking about opitons listed in /etc/default or do I find options elsewhere pls?
[10:58] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu 386, thin client AMD semprom 2200, in server log I have tftp client doesn't accept options, is it talking about options listed in /etc/default or do I find options elsewhere pls?
[11:02] <ogra> /var/log/syslog:Nov 12 22:08:15 edubuntu in.tftpd[24071] : tftp: client does not accept options
[11:02] <ogra> this
[11:02] <ogra> ?
[11:02] <Hi-G> Bonsoir  tous; hello everybody
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> hang on ogra laptop wnet down no more batteries have to run it again
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> but basically yes
[11:04] <ogra> bluefrog-10, thats a normal message, nothing to worry about
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> well client not going further
[11:04] <ogra> yes, but not caused by this :)
[11:04] <bluefrog-10> ah
[11:05] <ogra> where exactly does it han ?
[11:05] <ogra> hang
[11:05] <bluefrog-10> after some init scripts, will run it in a few sec
[11:05] <ogra> look if you have a nfs timeout some lines above
[11:05] <bluefrog-10> no timeout
[11:06] <bluefrog-10> client with celeron boots ok, amd not
[11:06] <ogra> if you got beyond the initramfs scripts, it should be fine kernel wise
[11:07] <ogra> it really looks more like a nfs problem
[11:08] <bluefrog-10> running scripts/nfs-top   done
[11:08] <ogra> thats the last line on screen ?
[11:08] <bluefrog-10> hanging on some ip config just afetrwards
[11:08] <ogra> if it wrote "done" its fine...
[11:09] <bluefrog-10> well yes :)
[11:09] <bluefrog-10> it's just after
[11:09] <ogra> afterwards you should see the real nfs mount going on
[11:09] <ogra> showing the ip of the rootserver etc
[11:10] <ogra> do you see these lines ?
[11:10] <bluefrog-10> nope hanging at acpi pci interrupt -> gsi 16 level,low irq 16   (16? by the way?)
[11:10] <ogra> hmm
[11:10] <bluefrog-10> and have tried with ltsp on top of ubnutu does the same
[11:11] <bluefrog-10> right now am with edubuntu
[11:11] <ogra> you can edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default and try playing with noacpi or acpi=off
[11:11] <bluefrog-10> k
[11:11] <ogra> or nolapic
[11:12] <bluefrog-10> have to restart tfttp?
[11:12] <ogra> nope
[11:12] <bluefrog-10> k
[11:12] <ogra> only the client
[11:15] <bluefrog-10> hum how do u insert it in the file?
[11:16] <ogra> edit  ?
[11:16] <ogra> sudo gedit for example
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> same line than default hangs me at boot
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> line underneath?
[11:16] <ogra> you just append it to the end of the line
[11:16] <ogra> spearated with a space
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> acpi=off at end of line stuck at boot:  blinking cursor, trying noacpi...
[11:17] <ogra> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img pci=noacpi
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> k
[11:19] <bluefrog-10> after nfs-top waiting at ipconfig, going to wit a while to see it goes farther..
[11:23] <bluefrog-10> hum what puzzles me is that i have a dhcpack on server log on a mac address and another mac address on the client at the line where it waiting
[11:24] <ogra> did you try the other options ?
[11:25] <ogra> nolapic
[11:25] <ogra> acpi=off
[11:25] <bluefrog-10> going to.. acpi=off stucks me at   boot:   on client
[11:30] <bluefrog-10> nolapic gets stuck at a scsi bus reset (i have a surestore hp that seems to be the pb in that case. will disc the tape tomorrow to see if there's a change) otherwise nevermind i'll try to stay away from amd as long until i have more time to deep myself into that problem
[11:32] <ogra> it simply shouldnt be a problem... thats a bit weird...
[11:32] <bluefrog-10> giving acpi=off another try
[11:32] <ogra> did you run a 686 kernel inbetween ?
[11:32] <ogra> probabaly you got a wron initramfs
[11:32] <bluefrog-10> no
[11:32] <ogra> hmm
[11:32] <ogra> then it should work
[11:33] <bluefrog-10> ah this time acpi=off goes farther than    boot:
[11:33] <ogra> the 386 kernel is the one that is even installed on k7 systems by default
[11:33] <ogra> it also works on amd64 systems
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> still stuck at this strange IP CONFIG eth0 which has a different macaddress than the one listed on the server log at DHCPACK time
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> will try to use another network card
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> this one is integrated to cardboard
[11:36] <bluefrog-10> have a FC4 setup somewhere, will check if I have same problem tomorrow, ty for your answers.
[11:36] <ogra> i have a k7 system for testing, but its not around currently
[11:38] <bluefrog-10> well am startting FC4 now to have a look, but i may be screwed as I think i ahve a poopoo with my vmware network card for K12, edubuntu is not on vmware btw..
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> well enough for tonight, with K12 it's even worse, get a kernel panic while waiting for a dhcpd running on port 67... will find a 3com card to try with...
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> and i will stick with edubuntu as my laptop as well is making a kernel panic with K12 while it's working with edu :)
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> ah was wrong on that... kernel panic with edu as well for laptop, forgot about that.. well time to hit the sac ty bye


[01:01] <cprofitt> mhall119: ping
[01:02] <cprofitt> cjohnston: ping
[01:53] <mhall119> cprofitt: pong
[01:54] <cprofitt> hey mhall119, looking for some advice on how to get started with django and potentially work up to being able to help you guys
[01:54] <mhall119> cprofitt: awesome, loco-directory or summit?
[01:54] <cprofitt> perhaps better to email you for the details...
[01:54] <cprofitt> either, both... just want to learn enough to help
[01:54] <cprofitt> been a goal I have put off for several years
[01:54] <mhall119> cprofitt: cool, loco-directory is pretty easy to get setup nowadays
[01:55] <mhall119> cprofitt: just bzr branch lp:loco-directory
[01:55] <mhall119> the INSTALL file has instructions, you may need to apt-get install a few packages, but then it's just a couple make commands
[01:55] <cprofitt> I know that stuff... but looking more what tools I should be using to just learn django
[01:56] <cprofitt> I assume I need to build a 'test server'... and not sure if I should just use Idle or some other tool for the code stuff
[01:56] <mhall119> http://djangoproject.org has great documentation and a 4-part tutorial that'll give you a good idea of how Django's pieces all work together
[01:56] <cprofitt> I am transitioning from .Net stuff and visual studio, but do not think I need an IDE.
[01:56] <mhall119> cprofitt: Django has a built-in server that's useful for development
[01:56] <cprofitt> cool... do you use a virtualbox server?
[01:57] <mhall119> nope, I use Gedit, others use vim, emacs, whatever
[01:57] <mhall119> nope
[01:57] <cprofitt> cool... I like SciTe
[01:57] <cprofitt> for a lot of stuff... but trying to learn vim
[01:57] <mhall119> the Makefile creates a python virtual environment that keeps the python dependencies for loco-directory out of your system packages
[01:58] <mhall119> once you get the code, run "sudo make depends" to isntall what few system packages it needs
[01:58]  * cprofitt nods
[01:58] <mhall119> then "make init" to setup the local environemtn
[01:58] <mhall119> then "make run" to run the test server
[01:59] <mhall119> "make depends" is just: apt-get install python2.6 python2.6-dev python-virtualenv libjs-jquery libjs-jquery-ui iso-codes gettext
[01:59] <cprofitt> k
[01:59] <mhall119> so, 3 commands to get setup
[01:59] <mhall119> 4 if you count bzr branch
[02:00] <mhall119>  /join #ubuntu-website too, we'll help you there and you can join in the conversations
[02:00] <cprofitt> I hope to get myself up to 'good enough' by UDS
[02:01] <cprofitt> and then spend some time with you guys there
[02:01] <mhall119> we're going to have a summit hackathon next global jam, there will be remote participation
[02:01] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/1056/detail/
[02:02] <cprofitt> cool.
[02:08] <cprofitt> thanks for the tips
[02:11] <mhall119> no problem, we're happy whenever someone says they want to start helping
[02:15] <cprofitt> I can't promise anything yet as I will be teaching myself django for the next month or so...
[02:15] <cprofitt> but I will try
[02:50] <bkerensa> Hello :) Any Loco Team people around? I need some help
[02:52] <cprofitt> what can I help with
[02:59] <cprofitt> bkerensa: do you still need help?
[02:59] <bkerensa> Yeah
[03:00] <cprofitt> what with?
[03:01] <bkerensa> cprofitt: So basically our old loco lead is deployed and has been and I took the role and I'm trying to get our loco organized and I need access to the Loco events so I can add events but have no idea how to do this since we did not have a launchpad until recently (oddly we have a forum, mailing list and irc channel) any direction would be helpful :)
[03:01] <cprofitt> what is your loco?
[03:01] <bkerensa> cprofitt: We even hosted the Ubuntu both at OSCON
[03:01] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Oregon (#ubuntu-us-or)
[03:02] <cprofitt> do you have a launchpad team or wiki page?
[03:03] <bkerensa> Yeah
[03:03] <cprofitt> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-oregon
[03:03] <bkerensa> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOregon
[03:03] <cprofitt> that one....
[03:04] <bkerensa> yeah thats our launchpad
[03:04] <cprofitt> ok
[03:04] <bkerensa> I just set it up two days ago even though we have been established awhile on all other levels
[03:04] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam
[03:04] <cprofitt> that looks to be your wiki
[03:05] <cprofitt> is Paul the loco leader who is deployed?
[03:05] <bkerensa> Yeah thats it... Sorry I'm a bit tired I have been at OSCON :P
[03:05] <cprofitt> no problem
[03:05] <bkerensa> Nope... Thomas Mashos
[03:05] <cprofitt> ok
[03:05] <bkerensa> He is the deployed guy
[03:06] <bkerensa> and he handed it off to Mark Terranova who happened to move to California and due to the distance he couldnt be interim anymore so asked me to take over and we have been doing release parties and did OSCON... CLS and did stuff with Jono
[03:06] <cprofitt> Terranova?
[03:06] <bkerensa> Yep
[03:06] <cprofitt> alright
[03:07] <bkerensa> You know him?
[03:07] <bkerensa> :)
[03:07] <cprofitt> Yes
[03:07] <bkerensa> funny guy with his penguin suit
[03:08] <cprofitt> https://launchpad.net/~locoteams
[03:08] <cprofitt> go to that page
[03:08] <cprofitt> click "Add one of my teams"
[03:09] <bkerensa> ok :) I figured thats what I had to do but I thought we might have to be accepted first
[03:09] <cprofitt> add the Oregon team
[03:09] <cprofitt> then, yes, you will have to be approved
[03:10] <cprofitt> then I think your team will show up in loco.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <bkerensa> ok
[03:10] <bkerensa> cool
[03:10] <cprofitt> in the interim -- though it should not be long
[03:10] <bkerensa> I did that... So I will just get our members to join our launchpad team now... Kinda odd nobody had done this in the past :P
[03:10] <cprofitt> you could add some events to your wiki page and announce them on the forums
[03:11] <bkerensa> Yeah were doing that :)
[03:11] <bkerensa> thanks for the help... Were you at OSCON?
[03:11] <cprofitt> make sure you change the wiki link on the launchpad page
[03:11] <cprofitt> No, I am in NY
[03:11] <cprofitt> a little far for OSCON... though I would have loved to have attended
[03:12] <bkerensa> One other thing how would I get mailinglist switched over to me?
[03:12] <bkerensa> oh yeah!
[03:13] <cprofitt> 8the easiest way is to have the current admin give you the admin password
[03:13] <cprofitt> but if they have been deployed that is likely difficult
[03:13] <cprofitt> in that case you may need to talk to one of the loco council and let them know what is happening
[03:14] <cprofitt> it looks like Mark may have that password though
[03:14] <cprofitt> in which case he should be able to help you out
[03:15] <cprofitt> yeah -- Mark is listed as the owner of the list
[03:15] <cprofitt> he is still around I assume
[03:19] <bkerensa> Oh yeah :) I will just give him a call in the next few days I imagine he is driving home to California right now :P
[03:19]  * cprofitt nods
[03:21] <cprofitt> I think Mark is a Fedora Ambassador... and works for ZaReason...
[03:21] <bkerensa> Yeah
[03:22] <bkerensa> Which is why he couldnt help with the Ubuntu Booth... He was at the Fedora Booth... We all hung out though and of course Jono is amazing
[03:22] <cprofitt> yes, Jono is amazing
[03:41] <cprofitt> night bkerensa
[03:44] <thefinn93> hello all
[03:44] <thefinn93> we're trying to get the Ubuntu Oregon team up and running and I'm supposed to implement channel logging
[03:44] <thefinn93> I was directed here to ask how
[03:44] <thefinn93> anyone know?
[03:46] <thefinn93> oh nevermind, someone else did it
[07:39] <YoBoY> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrenchTeam/TeamReports/11/July team report for july
[08:49] <olive> thanks  YoBoY :)
[08:49] <YoBoY> you're welcome olive, next time you'll write it :)
[08:54] <olive> it could be Tarnefys...
[08:57] <olive> next time, we should have less than 3 things to write. So I can try
[08:58] <olive> s/thingss/events/
[10:05] <YoBoY> olive: don't say that, I can always organize last minute ubuntu hours :D
[10:07] <olive> I can copy-past that
[10:07] <olive> s/that/it/
[15:38] <bkerensa|ZzZz> paultag: Are you around?
[15:43] <paultag> bkerensa|ZzZz: hody doodie
[15:43] <bkerensa|ZzZz> paultag: Hi
[15:43] <paultag> bkerensa|ZzZz: I sent you an email, did you get it?
[15:43] <paultag> bkerensa: *
[15:43] <paultag> bkerensa: also -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Team_Naming_Standards
[15:44] <paultag> bkerensa: IRC: ubuntu-us-SS (ie; ubuntu-us-ut for Utah, ubuntu-us-ny for New York, etc)
[15:44] <bkerensa> paultag: All I got was the decline notice from launchpad... It said a url slug needed to be adjusted but as far as I can see we are following the standards set in the Howto
[15:44] <paultag> Oh shit, that's old for LP
[15:44] <bkerensa> ?
[15:44] <paultag> bkerensa: yeah, that page is out of date for LP. Should be ubuntu-us-state_code (or state full id if it's short enough)
[15:44] <paultag> bkerensa: because of things like georga, which is a state and a country
[15:44] <paultag> I'll fix that now
[15:44] <bkerensa> Our channel is #ubuntu-us-or
[15:45] <bkerensa> ?
[15:45] <paultag> bkerensa: that's fine
[15:45] <paultag> bkerensa: did you get my email?
[15:45] <bkerensa> nope
[15:45] <bkerensa> :P
[15:45] <bkerensa> just something about a url slug
[15:45] <paultag> bkerensa: http://pastebin.com/nVr3VVJc
[15:45] <bkerensa> I found it :) it went to spam for some reason
[15:46] <paultag> Righto
[15:46] <paultag> bkerensa: those standards are old, I've never bothered to really read them :)
[15:48] <bkerensa> paultag: So we need to change our channel name? I mean most other states even "accepted" locos have the same format we do and our channel has been around quite a long time... As for the e-mail thing for some reason launchpad wasn't allowing me to set contact e-mail Ill try again
[15:48] <paultag> bkerensa: no, launchpad name
[15:48] <bkerensa> oh ok
[15:48] <bkerensa> Ill fix that
[15:48] <paultag> bkerensa: yes, they do, but that's ex-post-facto :)
[15:48] <paultag> bkerensa: we don't want to be assholes to existing teams that are doing well :)
[15:49] <paultag> bkerensa: the IRC stuff is cool, just LP needs to move over, we're trying to have a bit more of a standard :)
[15:49] <bkerensa> yeah
[15:50] <bkerensa> paultag: So it wont let me set my e-mail for contact since its associated with my personal launchpad? Can I just put our Mailing list for contact?
[15:50] <paultag> bkerensa: I mean for your personal lp page
[15:50] <paultag> bkerensa: when I go to your page I can't see your email
[15:50] <bkerensa> oh
[15:51] <bkerensa> :)
[15:51] <paultag> bkerensa: :)
[15:51] <bkerensa> Yeah that was to prevent spam
[15:51] <bkerensa> :P
[15:51] <paultag> bkerensa: you have to be logged in to see it
[15:51] <paultag> :)
[15:53] <bkerensa> paultag: Ok e-mail is done and I updated the Launchpad slug for the Loco
[15:53] <paultag> bkerensa: :D
[15:53] <paultag> bkerensa: let me check it out, sec
[15:53] <paultag> bkerensa: looks flawless
[15:53] <paultag> bkerensa: let me add you, second
[15:54] <paultag> bkerensa: all set!
[15:54] <paultag> just approve it and it's all set :)
[15:54] <bkerensa> cool... now we can add events next year when OSCON comes again :P
[15:54] <paultag> bkerensa: totally! :)
[15:56] <bkerensa> paultag: I have a question so... There is another team on launchpad purporting to be the Oregon LoCo how should we approach that?  Can you request to join locoteams again, launchpad's barfing as usual
[15:57] <bkerensa> I will have to find it again... One of our members came across it
[15:58] <bkerensa> paultag: Yep done
[15:58] <paultag> bkerensa: all set :)
[15:58] <paultag> bkerensa: you should show up on loco.ubuntu soon
[15:59] <bkerensa> paultag: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-oregon-loco
[15:59] <bkerensa> thats the other one
[15:59] <bkerensa> I tried contacting the owner but no response
[16:00] <paultag> bkerensa: Ah, looks like they're not a part of locoteams, or anything. You've got the namespace, and there's one member. You have right to the US Oregon namespace
[16:00] <bkerensa> k
[16:00] <paultag> bkerensa: Send them a mail and cc me, and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and then we can follow up
[16:00] <bkerensa> will do
[16:00] <paultag> bkerensa: if they don't get back, I'll have it removed, if he does, then we can talk about moving it or him deleting it
[16:01] <bkerensa> paultag: Sounds good I will send it in a bit I gotta make some breakfast :) thanks for all the help
[16:01] <paultag> bkerensa: sure thing! Good morning :)
[16:05] <paultag> bkerensa: got the mail, ACK'd, cheers!
[16:42] <Ronnie> ping nigelb, on 17 juli, I had send a mail to trademarks@ but i have still no response. Should i wait for response a few days more or can i send a new mail?
[17:06] <nigelb> Ronnie: hm, the best person to talk to is AlanBell. He probably knows the Canonical folks who deal with it.
[17:07] <Ronnie> AlanBell: See my message above
[18:36] <cprofitt> bkerensa: did you issue get resolved with Oregon?
[19:01] <AlanBell> Ronnie: they are massively unresponsive, most times they seem to take no action. Don't worry about it, if they wanted to do something then you have done your bit.
[19:08] <paultag> cprofitt: yeah he did :)
[19:12] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Yeah... Sorry I just woke up from my third mini-nap :P
[19:13] <cprofitt> paultag: thanks bro
[19:13] <cprofitt> paultag: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-oregon-loco
[19:13] <cprofitt> there appears to be another LP team for it though
[19:14] <cprofitt> not sure how we should clean that up
[19:15] <paultag> cprofitt: yeah man
[19:16] <paultag> cprofitt: yeah saw that
[19:16] <paultag> cprofitt: we're dealing with it, email sent and we're working it out
[19:16] <cprofitt> k
[19:16] <paultag> cprofitt: if they don't ack, I'll have to see what we're going to do
[19:16] <cprofitt> always interesting, heh?
[19:16] <paultag> meh :)
[19:17]  * paultag gets back to work on syn


[03:29] <RedSingularity> jibel: bug 891255 when you have a chance.
[03:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 891255 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update impossible with update-manager -- loses connection to daemon (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891255
[04:27] <mfisch> Not sure who maintains the Bugs/Status page in the Ubuntu wiki, but this statement needs to be updated: "This status 'opinion' is considered an experiment, and will be closely monitored over the next 3 months starting from July 7th, 2010."  I'd be happy to do the edit, but I have no idea what the right text is
[04:32] <micahg> mfisch: it's still correct :), except the experiment should have ended already :)
[04:32] <mfisch> micahg: I will change it to "... and will be closely monitored."
[05:04] <kola> hii
[05:05] <kola> I wanted to find out if I can get invvolved without any programming skills ?
[05:06] <kola> I got started with SCJP .. would that help ?
[05:07] <jtokarchuk> I would probably start with http://developer.ubuntu.com and make a few programs, to get a feel for things
[05:09] <kola> thnxx
[05:10] <kola> thnxx
[05:12] <micahg> kola: there are plenty of ways to help w/out programming skills including bug triage/support/beginners
[05:16] <jtokarchuk> micahg: looking for a bug to fix. Best place to look is harvest?
[05:16] <kola> hmm thnx .. just started reading of all the teams and ways to help ;)
[05:17] <micahg> jtokarchuk: harvest works
[05:18] <jtokarchuk> micahg, there's quite a few, just pick an interesting package and go? is there any todo/importance list?
[05:20] <micahg> jtokarchuk: just starting off, yeah, pick a package (maybe one you're interested in) and fix something, idk if importance is imported into harvest
[06:57] <bkerensa> :P If anyone gets the Launchpad GM improvement script working in FF8 let me know :D
[07:06] <micahg> bkerensa: wfm
[07:06] <micahg> bkerensa: do you have the latest version?
[07:07] <micahg> bkerensa: current maxVersion is 8.0.*, I have version0.99.85-0ubuntu1~ppa1 in oneiric
[07:08]  * micahg also is using it w/9 w/compatibility overriden
[07:09] <bkerensa> micahg: Yeah I got it sorted in Chromium but installing the PPA doesnt do it automagically ;)
[07:21] <bkerensa> micahg: Odd even in Chrome with them installed it doesnt seem to work fully
[07:22]  * micahg never tried it in Chromium
[07:29] <bkerensa> micahg: I think I finally got it working :D
[07:42] <bkerensa> =/
[07:53] <micahg> bkerensa: great!
[14:04] <bil21al> pedro_
[17:54] <bil21al> helo every body
[17:54] <bil21al> can any one tell me how to get the auth client log of empathy?
[17:55] <bil21al> there is no option comming in help => debugg menu
[17:55] <pedro_> bil21al, help -> debug doesnt work?
[17:55] <bil21al> no there is no such type of option there
[17:56] <bil21al> i have seen this option there but today its not comming i dnt knw why i have restarted the system already but no option of auth client
[17:56] <pedro_> bil21al, check http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging
[17:56] <bil21al> ok i see
[17:58] <bil21al> pedro_ i have messaged  have u seen that bug what pakage was he askng i think u are the supervisor of nautilus bugs
[17:59] <pedro_> bil21al, i didn't understand , could you please rephrase that?
[18:01] <bil21al> see this bug what is the developer saying is he saying to change the pakage or something else he give a suggession  i think
[18:01] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/890592
[18:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 890592 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Ejecting a CD or DVD manually does not unmount it (affects: 2) (heat: 31)" [Low,Triaged]
[18:01] <bdmurray> mvo: Should it be possible to use apt-add-repository to add -proposed?
[18:02] <pedro_> bil21al, what's the suggestion?
[18:03] <bil21al> at the end  comment ofupstream
[18:03] <bil21al> of upstream
[18:05] <pedro_> bil21al, ok, but he's not a developer , in bugzilla the developers are marked with [developer] next to their name
[18:05] <bil21al> ok so now we wait the developer comment?
[18:05] <pedro_> yes
[18:05] <bil21al> ok
[18:05] <bil21al> tku
[18:05] <bil21al> bro
[18:05] <pedro_> no problem
[18:06] <bdmurray> jibel: did you go duplicate hunting for duplicates of bug 850264?
[18:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850264 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "given a foreign architecture of i386 on amd64 machine, and an outdated libc, apt tries to remove libc-bin (affects: 42) (dups: 41) (heat: 346)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850264
[18:22] <mvo> bdmurray: its not possible currently, but it would be a nice addition
[18:23] <bdmurray> mvo: okay, I'd tried it and reported bug 900081 about it
[18:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 900081 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "sources line is modified if a complete apt line is given (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/900081
[18:24] <alourie|laptop> I just upgraded to alpha1 and get kernel panic. How should I debug it?
[18:24] <bdmurray> get a kernel panic when?
[18:24] <micahg> bdmurray: mvo: it's already possible to enable -proposed with software-properties-gtk, why do we need another way to do it?
[18:24] <alourie|laptop> bdmurray, a minute after login dialog
[18:24] <bdmurray> micahg: because if you want to do it on a server you don't have that
[18:25] <alourie|laptop> maybe half a minute
[18:25] <bdmurray> micahg: yesterday I was working with some people and doing srus on aws instances
[18:25] <alourie|laptop> no panic in /var/log/kern.log
[18:25] <alourie|laptop> nothing in dmesg
[18:25] <alourie|laptop> nothing in syslog
[18:26] <micahg> bdmurray: can the functionality be moved from software-properties-* to add-apt-repository then with similar options?
[18:26]  * micahg guesses the above should be directed at mvo
[18:27] <bdmurray> I'd like to see something like that yes
[18:28] <micahg> then software-properties-* can use add-apt-repository so the code's not duplicated
[18:30] <bdmurray> alourie|laptop: try a different session 2d vs 3d and maybe try another user
[18:32] <mvo> micahg: I think it would make sense to have it in add-apt-repository, logically it does not really belong to software-propterties-gtk (a gui app)
[18:33] <micahg> mvo: right, I was just suggesting that it get moved and the code not be duplicated
[18:34] <mvo> micahg: yeah, makes sense
[18:37] <alourie|laptop> bdmurray, session doesn't matter, it crashes even if I don't log in
[18:37] <alourie|laptop> just leave the lightdm, it will crash
[18:39] <alourie|laptop> I'd guess it either a software (which is being loaded), or a service
[18:39] <alourie|laptop> or a driver
[18:47] <alourie|laptop> bdmurray, sorry, had to reconnect. Any ideas?
[18:49] <bdmurray> alourie|laptop: not specifically sorry.  unfortunately at the moment the kerneloops service is disabled and the kernel crash dump tool isn't functioning either so getting debug information is challenging
[18:49] <alourie|laptop> hm
[18:49] <alourie|laptop> that
[18:49] <alourie|laptop> that's discouraging
[18:52] <bdmurray> well kerneloops is disabled because kerneloops.org is down
[18:52] <bdmurray> and there is a patch for the kernel crash dump tool so that should be fixed soon
[18:56] <alourie|laptop> will this lead to a new kernel released and uploaded for precise?
[20:12] <jibel> bdmurray, no, I just duplicated those affecting ubiquity bugs as they came in.
[20:37] <bdmurray> jibel: okay, do you have a good key for writing a bug pattern?
[20:41] <jibel> bdmurray, for ubiquity, I'd say tag contains 'amd64', and syslog contains 'Removing libc-bin' and a dpkg error for libc6
[20:42] <bdmurray> jibel: like 'libc6 depends on libc-bin however' ?
[20:43] <mfisch> is it necessary to register an upstream project in order to forward a bug there?
[20:43] <mfisch> necassary and/or helpful
[20:45] <jibel> bdmurray, this or 'dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure)' which is what makes ubiquity fail.
[20:45] <bdmurray> jibel: great thanks
[20:46] <jibel> bdmurray, I think that with these condition the chance of false positives is fairly low.
[20:50] <jibel> bdmurray, there is another bug that needs a pattern, bug 894768
[20:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument (affects: 25) (dups: 25) (heat: 230)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894768
[20:50] <bdmurray> jibel: right, I've been thinking about that one too
[20:53] <jibel> bdmurray, for this one the pattern is syslog contains "ubuntu install.py: IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument"
[20:53] <jibel> bdmurray, and Dec  3 11:02:29 ubuntu install.py:   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 627, in copy_file
[20:53] <jibel> Dec  3 11:02:29 ubuntu install.py:     targetfh.close()
[20:53] <jibel> or
[20:53] <jibel> Dec  3 04:33:15 ubuntu install.py:   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file
[20:53] <jibel> Dec  3 04:33:15 ubuntu install.py:     targetfh.write(buf)
[20:53] <bdmurray> jibel: you should just write the pattern ;-)
[20:56] <jibel> bdmurray, sure I should, but I'm on something completely different and time to switch context,  pull the branch, remember how it works, test it, push, read bzr man page and drink a beer to relax after such an effort, the day already reached the end.
[20:56] <bdmurray> jibel: right well please let me know if you find more pattern worthy
[20:57] <jibel> bdmurray, I will, thanks for writing it.
[21:47] <bil21al> bdmurry have a look on this bug i guess its down stream status should be triaged or confirmed isn't it?
[21:48] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/899120
[21:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 899120 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "libre-office dont have icon in the launcher. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:48] <bil21al> bdmurray:
[22:13] <CarlFK> bug 771372
[22:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771372 in procps (Ubuntu Precise) (and 5 other projects) "procps runs too early in the boot process (affects: 7) (heat: 52)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771372
[23:06] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Any trick to getting the stockreplies part of the GM script working?
[23:06] <bdmurray> bkerensa: its broken in chrome (you said you were using chrome right?)
[23:07] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I tried it in chrome but then also tried it in FF8 all other features work except stockreplies
[23:10] <bdmurray> bkerensa: hmm, works for me with firefox 8 on 11.10... you are using 12.04 right?
[23:13] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Yep
[23:15] <bdmurray> bkerensa: give me a minute to test it
[23:31] <mfisch> I would like to forward a bug to debian (upstream), but cannot figure out which package version I should report it against: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gworldclock/+bug/800027
[23:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 800027 in gworldclock (Ubuntu) "memory leak in gworldclock 1.4.4-9ubuntu1 (~450KiB/h) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:34] <bdmurray> bkerensa: are you using the extension or the greasemonkey scripts themselves?
[23:34] <mfisch> nevermind, /me had an epiphany
[23:35] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I was never able to find the xpi (extension file) so I manually installed the gm scripts themselves.... since adding the ppa didnt do the trick for FF either
[23:35] <bdmurray> bkerensa: okay, I'll have to poke at it some


[12:22] <niadh> Hey I have an unusual issue was wondering if anyone had come across it before. My motherboard failed so I replaced it, ubuntu appeared to not need to be reinstalled because everything appeared to work fine. After a week the sound card would not produce any sound and the live CD can't seem to play music either
[12:25] <yofel> niadh: this  channel is for help on triaging bugs, for usual support use #ubuntu for stable releases and #ubuntu+1 for karmic
[12:26] <niadh> Hence why I'm here, is it not a valid bug? Am searching the bug list atm to find something similar see if it's been reported yet
[12:27] <yofel> niadh: which ubuntu release are you using?
[12:27] <niadh> 9.04
[12:28] <yofel> did you check that no channel got muted? especially mster,pcm and front in alsamixer
[12:31] <Ranakah> niadh try to replace pulse with esound.. working for me
[12:33] <niadh> alsamixer shows all channels unmuted and at full
[12:33] <Ranakah> pulseaudio sux
[12:33] <niadh> How do I replaced pulse with anything alsa worked well for me
[12:34] <Ranakah> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio esound+
[12:34] <niadh> oh, ok
[12:34] <niadh> Is there a command to undo that should it not work?
[12:34] <niadh> ... remove esound pulseaudio+?
[12:35] <Ranakah> yap
[12:35] <Ranakah> sudo apt-get remove esound pulseaudio+
[12:35] <Ranakah> :>
[12:36] <niadh> how do I restart the sound daemon?
[12:37] <Ranakah> huh... don't know.. restart system
[15:34] <bddebian> Boo
[16:58] <ejat> can someone look into bug 404546
[16:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 404546 in ppp "pppd crash (unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000014)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404546
[18:16] <maxb> Hi, any thoughts on where I can most usefully file a bug noting that the default murrine progress bar causes Xorg to chew CPU ?
[18:16] <maxb> It rather cuts across X, gtk, and graphics drivers
[18:18] <Kamusin> is it Linux Mint  supported by ubuntu?
[18:19] <Flannel> !mintsupport
[18:19] <ubot4> Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org
[18:20] <Kamusin> thanks, because I am seeing a report that has reported a problem with skype package provided by medibuntu repo and his user is using Linux Mint
[19:00] <Kamusin> if I package is not provided by ubuntu in a report, I have to mark as invalid nothing more?
[19:00]  * Kamusin a package*
[19:07] <micahg> yes, you can use the standard response on the responses page
[19:07] <showard> mica beat me to it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Packages%20not%20provided%20by%20Ubuntu
[20:17] <kklimonda> hey, why is bug 297793 still on hugday list for nautilus?
[20:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 297793 in gvfs "Inconsistent spelling of "Filesystem" (vs. "File system")" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297793
[20:18] <kklimonda> (it is triaged and assigned to desktop team)
[20:18] <kklimonda> desktop-bugs*
[20:19] <kklimonda> Also I think there is something wrong with bug watches for GNOME bugzilla - it's another bug I've seen that can't import bug from there
[20:19] <thekorn> kklimonda, it is in the category of "14 Bugs with Patches"
[20:20] <thekorn> and this bugreport has attachments which are marked as aptches
[20:20] <kklimonda> thekorn, yes - but it's triaged and beeing worked on
[20:20] <kklimonda> maybe because it's in gvts..
[20:21] <thekorn> kklimonda, I'm not sure, but the items in this category seem to be totally independant from status
[20:22] <thekorn> criteria seems to be patch or no patch
[20:22] <kklimonda> from a patch attached I think that this particular bug shouldn't be reported against nautilus as nautilus takes name from gvfs module.. I'll check it and probably invalidate nautilus task..
[20:24] <thekorn> I think this category does not make sense at all for this hugday, as the desktop team has a very strict policy on how to handle patches,
[20:24] <thekorn> and what status such bugreports get,
[20:25] <thekorn> so maybe "working" on them as hugday tasks might cause more harm than beeing helpful
[20:34] <bdmurray> part of the intent of the patches section was to unmark patches which are clearly not like screenshots
[20:38] <thekorn> bdmurray, ok, but the desktop guys are doing so good work, there will never be an attachment marked as a patch when it's not a patch ;)
[20:39] <bdmurray> thekorn: ah, that's great! pedro has been setting up the hug days most recently so maybe mention it to him?
[20:40] <kklimonda> actuallly i've found one png marked as patch just now ;)
[20:40] <bdmurray> some images can be patches...
[20:40] <kklimonda> but I have to agree that desktop team is pretty good at keeping their bugs clean
[20:42] <kklimonda> bdmurray, when you mark file as a patch it's content type is set to text/plain and you can't open it directly in browser..
[20:42] <kklimonda> i mean if it's an image and not a text file.
[20:44] <bdmurray> I think sometimes it is set to other things than text/plain like if it is a debdiff but that text/plain will be used as a fallback if the type is not detected.  However, I'm not positive - the launchpad team would know best.
[21:30] <BUGabundo> hey hey hey guud evening ;)
[21:30]  * BUGabundo is Happy.... enjoy while you can :D
[21:30] <kklimonda> happy? why?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> better question: why not!!
[21:34] <BUGabundo> I'm that kinda of guy! I'll be Happy unless I have reasons to not be!
[21:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, dunno, I live in Poland - nothing to be happy about ;)
[21:34] <kklimonda> sure
[21:34] <kklimonda> ;)


[00:53] <fmarier> chilts: ibeardslee: yeah, i'm keen
[00:55] <chilts> shall I come over to Catalyst House and meet you outside?
[01:03] <ibeardslee> yeah righto
[01:03] <ibeardslee> what time suits
[01:07] <chilts> if I start heading now, it'll be 12:15 when I get there? or can come for a bit later?
[01:07] <ibeardslee> 12:15 is fine for me
[01:07] <fmarier> 12:30?
[01:07] <ibeardslee> that's fine as well
[01:07] <chilts> ok, 12:30 it is
[01:07] <chilts> see you both shortyl :)
[01:07] <chilts> short.ly
[01:08]  * chilts wonders if that's taken
[01:08] <ibeardslee> see community, co-operation, collectivity
[01:08] <chilts> I can't be bothered looking it up, it's probably gone
[01:08] <ibeardslee> it works
[01:08] <ibeardslee> chilts: taken
[01:08] <chilts> :(
[01:09] <chilts> did anyone notice that bit.ly is now on bitly.com
[01:09] <ibeardslee> damn .. and so is stupid.ly
[01:09] <chilts> they're afraid of the Libyan government I suppose
[01:09]  * chilts knows no facts
[01:10] <chilts> makes you think, if all the *.ly in the world sudden.ly disappear
[01:10] <ibeardslee> why have facts when gossip, conjecture and statistics give you an answer
[01:10] <chilts> absolute.ly
[01:11] <chilts> positive.ly
[01:11] <chilts> wellingt.in
[01:11] <chilts> :)
[19:17] <arch_nme> hi
[19:30] <arch_nme> see
[19:30] <IdleOne> lol yeah
[19:49] <arch_nme> hi
[20:06] <arch_nme> hi
[22:04] <ajmitch> yes, because the channel will be so busy at 6AM on a saturday...
[22:48] <Atamira> morning


[00:00] <tychicus> did you initialize vault?
[00:01] <tychicus> I ran into this when testing the new 20.05 stable bundle
[00:01] <tychicus> there are 2 sets of instructions that I needed to get things moving forward
[00:02] <tychicus> https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/charm-deployment-guide/latest/app-vault.html
[00:02] <tychicus> first initialize and install vault
[00:02] <tychicus> https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/charm-deployment-guide/latest/app-certificate-management.html
[00:02] <tychicus> second retrieve and sign the csr
[01:00] <wallyworld> thumper: i give up, 2.7 landing is broken, here's a forward port of the 2.7 PR directly to 2.8-rc3 (with legacy lease stuff removed) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11641
[01:06] <wallyworld> or hpidcock or kelvinliu ^^^^^
[01:06] <wallyworld> kust got to get 2.8-rc unblocked
[01:07] <kelvinliu> looking
[01:10] <kelvinliu> approved since the original one has been approved already wallyworld
[01:10] <wallyworld> ty
[01:11] <kelvinliu> nws
[01:58] <timClicks> I'm receiving a "no matching agent binaries available" message when deploying a focal workload to AWS
[02:04] <wallyworld> juju version?
[02:05] <timClicks> this is JAAS (2.6.10), client is Juju 2.8-rc2
[02:05] <thumper> timClicks: jaas doesn't know about focal
[02:05] <thumper> that is 2.7
[02:05] <thumper> wallyworld: where are we at with the landings?
[02:06] <wallyworld> gave up on 2.7 and forward ported the last PR directly to 2.8-rc, waiting for CI now
[02:06] <thumper> wallyworld: can I try to merge my 2.8 branch?
[02:07] <wallyworld> sure, i'm just landing a 2.8rc->2.8 port and then i was going to merge yours
[02:07] <thumper> all good, if you want to do the mergy thing then that's all good
[02:08] <wallyworld> i can
[02:08] <thumper> looks like I'll be helping with a customer issue
[02:09] <wallyworld> what juju version?
[02:09] <thumper> don't know yet
[03:02] <hpidcock> forward port to develop https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11642
[03:03] <suke> hi Guys,
[03:05] <wallyworld> hpidcock: did you pick up the just landed pr from tim?
[03:06] <hpidcock> wallyworld: let me check
[03:07] <wallyworld> hpidcock: also, GetByHardwareAddress isn't used
[03:07] <wallyworld> i suspect it's been replaced by Filter whichis whwere the conflict was
[03:10] <hpidcock> GetByHardwareAddress was only added 10 days ago
[03:14] <wallyworld> hpidcock: ah, i suspect it's for the work to filter out machine local addresses, and there's a PR which will use it
[03:15] <hpidcock> wallyworld: yep, can always delete it later. I'd rather not break manadart's WIP if he has any using it
[03:15] <wallyworld> yup
[03:18] <wallyworld> hpidcock: the changes look  as expected to me based on working with the other branches of late
[03:19] <hpidcock> wallyworld: awesome thanks, just waiting for a green run then I'll merge
[03:19] <wallyworld> i was 1/2 way thriugh doing it myself then i saw your pr :-)
[03:19] <hpidcock> wallyworld: ahah
[03:20] <wallyworld> was looking at the nic conflict
[03:20] <hpidcock> sorry
[03:20] <wallyworld> all good, you saved me a lot6 of typing
[04:17] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11644
[04:18] <thumper> the last of the uniter package level loggers
[04:18] <thumper> phew
[04:25] <manadart> wallyworld, hpidcock: GetByHardwareAddress was indeed a utility added for a patch in progress.
[04:26] <manadart> wallyworld: This is the fix for network_get and local-machine addresses: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11638
[04:26] <manadart> Just have to put together some QA.
[04:27] <wallyworld> gr8 ty
[04:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> tychicus:  he got some handful of keys
[04:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> i think he did
[05:30]  * thumper sighs
[05:30] <thumper> more problems
[05:30] <thumper> but yay, users??
[05:35] <wallyworld> thumper: anything serious?
[05:35] <thumper> wallyworld: nothing blocking
[05:35] <thumper> but enough that we'll want to include a patch in 2.7.7
[05:35] <wallyworld> got a bug?
[05:36] <thumper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1881242
[05:36] <mup> Bug #1881242: Missing error check results in panic - apiserver <apiserver> <panic> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881242>
[05:36] <thumper> the fix for this bug is trivial... add an error handling
[05:36] <thumper> the other problem, for which we are also getting a bug, is how did it get into this status
[05:36] <thumper> state
[05:37] <wallyworld> sigh
[05:39] <thumper> wallyworld: did you see my PR above?
[05:40] <thumper> wallyworld: nm, hpidcock reviewed it for me
[05:40] <thumper> thanks hpidcock
[05:40] <wallyworld> that's why i didn't look :-)
[05:40] <wallyworld> already +1
[05:41] <thumper> hey... https://jenkins.juju.canonical.com/job/github-make-check-juju/5933/consoleText
[05:42] <thumper> look for "oops"
[05:42] <thumper> api/uniter fails
[05:42] <thumper> but I don't see a filure in the output?
[05:45] <hpidcock> thumper: might be teardown failure?
[05:46] <thumper> succeeds locally
[05:46] <thumper> and I only see 118 passed and 1 skipped
[05:46] <thumper> hpidcock: could be
[05:50] <thumper> wallyworld: I see the email you just forwarded to me
[05:50] <thumper> but I don't see the original
[05:50] <wallyworld> thumper: yeah, go figure, maybe the email lists are stuck
[05:50] <thumper> could be
[06:34] <thumper> wallyworld: you message to the list has come through now
[06:35] <wallyworld> so it has
[09:00] <Laney> hey, quick bit of help needed hopefully. i've got a controller running on lxd locally, but juju has somehow got the wrong idea about what its ip addresses are (maybe the container got restarted?). how can I get it to learn the right ones?
[09:15] <Laney> (made a topic on discourse)
[09:17] <achilleasa> Laney: you can point the cli to the right IP by editing the endpoint values in ~/.local/share/juju/controllers.yaml for your controller (as always backup first before editing ;-)
[09:18] <Laney> achilleasa: wtf, that has the right addresses in it
[09:18] <Laney> uh
[09:18] <Laney> there's some duplication here, how did that happen
[09:20] <achilleasa> Laney: you mean you have the same IP twice in the endpoint list? Not sure how that could happen but it should not have any impact in connection attempts
[09:20] <Laney> no I had the same controller in there twice, once right and once wrong
[09:20] <Laney> but deleted the wrong one now and 'juju status' works again
[09:21] <Laney> 'juju ssh' doesn't though, it seems to be trying to connect to my public IP instead of the container's IP ...
[09:24] <Laney> works with --proxy but not without
[11:39] <achilleasa> manadart: can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11645?
[11:45] <manadart> achilleasa: Approved it.
[12:04] <achilleasa> manadart: do we rewrite the agent config files when upgrading?
[12:05] <manadart> achilleasa: Yes, we have to in order to set the version.
[12:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi
[19:14] <tychicus> with the nova-cloud-controller charm, is there bit of additional config that needs to be performed to get console-access-protocol to use TLS?
[19:15] <tychicus> I ensured that the vault relation is there juju add-relation nova-cloud-controller:certificates vault:certificates
[19:17] <tychicus> but openssl s_client -connect shows that TLS is not enabled
[19:18] <tychicus> If I switch from https to http the page renders with an error "Something went wrong, connection is closed "
[19:19] <pmatulis> tychicus, are you talking about the dashboard?
[19:20] <tychicus> yes, the console in the dashboard
[19:20] <tychicus> dashboard loads with https no problem
[19:22] <tychicus> in previous releases to enable ssl you had to supply a console-ssl-cert  to nova-cloud-controller
[19:23] <tychicus> but console-ssl-cert was removed in the 19.07 charm release
[19:24] <tychicus> Please use ssl_cert configuration option or the vault certificates relation
[19:25] <pmatulis> tychicus, where do you see that?
[19:26] <tychicus> https://jaas.ai/nova-cloud-controller/345#charm-config-console-ssl-cert
[19:33] <pmatulis> tychicus, thanks
[19:34] <tychicus> pmatulis: np, just trying to figure out if I missed something trivial in my config
[19:35] <pmatulis> tychicus, what about the value of 'console-access-protocol'?
[19:35] <tychicus> pmatulis: uju config nova-cloud-controller console-access-protocol=novnc
[19:36] <tychicus> s /uju/juju
[19:36] <pmatulis> tychicus, k
[19:37] <pmatulis> tychicus, well, based on what you've said you've done and based on the documentation it should work. can you open a bug on nova-cloud-controller?
[19:37] <tychicus> sure
[20:31] <pmatulis> tychicus, did you try logging out and back in to the dashboard after having made that config change (to 'novnc')?
[20:32] <tychicus> I did
[20:33] <pmatulis> k
[20:34] <pmatulis> well, like i recommend: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-nova-cloud-controller/+filebug
[20:34] <tychicus> I'm working on the bug report now, but I need to do a little more digging
[20:35] <tychicus> it looks like novnc is not proxied by apache, all of the stuff proxied by apache is fine
[21:13] <tychicus> looks like the issue is that there is an issue with the nova.console.websocketproxy


[15:06] <neurochrome> Hello ubuntu artwork ppl
[15:07] <neurochrome> Every release cycle I see a request for submissions for community wallpapers... and every release I see the continued reliance on flickr
[15:07] <neurochrome> I have submitted to the brainstorm site a request to move away from such a service
[15:07] <neurochrome> http://www.reddit.com/tb/inj9n
[15:07] <neurochrome> and reddit! ;)
[15:08] <neurochrome> It has since been closed on brainstorm by Cheesehead - who suggest I address this issue directly to the artwork team
[15:09] <neurochrome> please, please, please, consider the fact that some TRUE die-hard FLOSS fans don't want a yahoo account. I want to take part in the wallpaper contest every time, but refuse to open a yahoo account purely to submit some pictures for inclusion.
[15:10] <neurochrome> There are many canonical sites that could be used instead. We can use our universal launchpad logins, we can use gallery software provided in the Ubuntu repos... etc
[15:11] <neurochrome> why are we relying on a 3rd party (who has a huge pact with Microsoft of all people)
[15:11] <neurochrome> I sure hope someone sees this in the logs and actually takes this onboard
[15:19]  * neurochrome ?
[15:19] <neurochrome> yes
[18:17] <thorwil> ooh, want: http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/30/wacom-inkling/
[18:18] <thorwil> hey troy_s, you latest blog post made me imagine giger-style na'vi


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[00:26] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg: ta re: libfm-qt, ran into it locally so fixed :)
[00:26] <tsimonq2> (I don't feel like opening my phone to get to Telegram :D)
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[05:07] <tsimonq2> When is Feature Freeze for Kinetic?
[05:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shadow (focal-proposed/main) [1:4.8.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:4.8.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, i386-whitelist)
[05:08] <tsimonq2> Found it: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/kinetic-kudu-release-schedule/27263
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[06:23] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, luajit is now fine, on ppc64el its now provided by luajit2, with a better ppc64el and s390x backend :D
[11:34] <coreycb> vorlon: thanks for checking. yes, the timing of our removal was right about when someone signed on to revive the project.
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[13:40] <seb128> could a SRU team member try to review ^ ? it's to fix a regression from the previous SRU which is in updates
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[13:45] <xnox> python3.10 builds on some arches failed without build logs; restarted
[13:46] <xnox> python3-stdlib-extensions is uninstallable due to too high min-version of python3 meta, lowered it to the ubuntu setting and uploaded to make it installable
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[14:01] <ricotz> bdmurray, hello :), in case you have time, please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1977525
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[14:06] <ahasenack> hi ubuntu-archive, samba is now building the ldb binary packages previously built by src:ldb, since https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/2:4.16.1+dfsg-8ubuntu1
[14:06] <ahasenack> src:ldb was removed from debian already due to the same reason: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1319663/ldb-removed-from-testing/ (well, the reason isn't stated there)
[14:07] <ahasenack> could we pelase remove src:ldb from kinetic?
[14:08] <ahasenack> the actual change happened in 2:4.16.0+dfsg-1
[14:09] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/samba/2:4.16.0+dfsg-1
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[14:29]  * mdeslaur dances at ldb going away
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[15:02] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: does that mean no luajit removals needed?
[15:04] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: actually, it just means that ldb-only security updates mean a new src:samba upload. But I  think so far these have always been together (ldb security issue with samba security issue)
[15:05] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: it's always a PITA to update lda when doing samba security updates, as I have to split out the patches, etc.
[15:05] <mdeslaur> s/lda/ldb/
[15:06] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: having them all be in the samba source package definitely make it easier for me
[15:06] <ahasenack> oh, good
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[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, no action needed :)
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> on ppc64el the luajit package is dragging in liajit2 binary
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> https://sources.debian.org/src/luajit/2.1.0~beta3%2Bgit20220320%2Bdfsg-4/debian/control/
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg> Package: libluajit-5.1-2
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg> Depends: libluajit2-5.1-2 [ppc64el s390x]
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg> so in this way everybody is happy (except for autopkgtests that are probably highlighting real bugs)
[15:35] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ok, do we not need to rebuild the revdeps of libluajit-5.1-2 on ppc64el?
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[18:30] <seb128> could a SRU team member review network-manager in the J queue? it fixes a regression with the current SRU which migrated to updates and I would like to see the fix accepted before it's friday/weekend and creates more delay
[18:35] <bdmurray> seb128: I had it on my list and did around the time you asked
[18:36] <bdmurray> As queuebot can attest to
[19:21] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks!
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[11:17] <zxmpi> that weird week after crimbo when it's not christmas and it's not the new year. some places are open, some are closed and you can never work out which is which
[11:18] <DJones> Morning all, long time since I've been here
[11:19] <zxmpi> hi-de-hi o/
[11:19] <DJones> Hope you all had a good Christmas
[11:19] <zxmpi> quiet, on my own, no disturbances, very nice.
[11:19] <zxmpi> yourself?
[11:21] <DJones> Wasn't bad, busy christmas day, but quiet the rest of the time
[11:23] <zxmpi> get any nice pressies?
[11:24] <DJones> Usual things from family & friends, clothes, cheese board, sweets etc, Galaxy watch from wife
[11:25] <DJones> How about you
[11:26] <zxmpi> ::checks online:: ah a samsung watch, not a chocolate watch :-)
[11:26] <DJones> Definately not chocolate
[11:26] <zxmpi> pressie of chocolate from landlord. they're really nice like that
[11:28] <zxmpi> very disorganised this year, didn't even copy die hards to media player :-P
[11:29] <DJones> Heh
[11:29] <zxmpi> i even picked up a new 256gb memory card for phone to do so
[11:31] <zxmpi> topped up a mifi in case interwebs went down, it didn't.
[11:36] <zxmpi> really should source a 512gb card but i'd have to get it online here as shops never have them in stock
[11:37] <DJones> I had a similar problem trying to my wifes new tabler, no shpos had it, Amazon out of stock, ended up having to order direct from manufacturer
[11:38] <DJones> s/tabler/tablet
[11:39] <zxmpi> i wonder at what point the middleman (the shops and online stores) will be the last place you check
[11:42] <zxmpi> my shiny new phone this year had zero chance of being in an irish shop. a unihertz titan pocket.
[11:42] <DJones> Never heard of that
[11:43] <zxmpi> and buying online well, i might just as well get it from manufacturers store
[11:43] <zxmpi> basically an amdroid blackberry. it has real keyboard
[11:44] <zxmpi> i despise typing on glass
[11:45] <DJones> I prefer glass keyboards, especially with a swype style keyboard, don't need to take my finger off the keyboard
[11:45] <zxmpi> https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/unihertz-titan-pocket
[11:45] <DJones> Just looking on amazon at it
[11:46] <DJones> Does look like a blackberry
[11:47] <zxmpi> i never liked blackberry, it was too... online. loved the nokia e series which looked like them. absolute tanks of a phone. titan feels similar
[17:19] <davef> I had a E72
[17:20] <davef> Mostly because I worked on Ovi Messaging
[17:20] <davef> The E72 was great, Ovi was terrible.
[17:22] <davef> We even have a E7 prototype running not only Symbian, but also one running Android.
[17:22] <zxmpi> still have an e72 around somewhere i think,  might be an e71...  or both :-)
[17:22] <davef> *had
[17:25] <zxmpi> if i could get a symbian phone now with a working battery that could handle a memory card >64gb i'd buy it in a heart beat. maybe. the global search would have to ditch the prefetch bollox
[17:26] <davef> while most functionality was on the device, things like e-mail and other needed an external service to function normally. things like imap probably wouldn't work now since they were only limited to SSL3 and didn't do TLS at the time.
[17:28] <davef> this is where Ovi came in to play.. Gmail, Hotmail/Outlook, Yahoo! and others had to go through it. Problem is, your passwords could be logged, often I would look at an integration and found somebody hadn't changed the error logging to errors only. Most left it on INFO or worse, DEBUG.
[17:29] <davef> and let's not talk about lawful intercept. lol
[17:29] <zxmpi> you could still access email via web browser
[17:30] <davef> you could, but again you'll come across that TLS not being supported because it was too new
[17:30] <zxmpi> i seem to remember that was my preferred way
[17:31] <davef> actually TLS 1.1 would work, 1.2 probably wouldn't.
[17:31] <davef> but since TLS 1.1 is now deprecated, most web servers wouldn't support it anymore :/
[17:32] <davef> but i would be interested to learn if you manage to dig one out and get it working :)
[17:33] <zxmpi> my e61 still works. that gets booted up once per year. last used 10 years ago in anger when i went to hospital for hip replacement
[17:34] <zxmpi> got stuck with no power sockets so used it as ereader. hadn't been charged for a few years but worked for a week as ereader :-D
[17:35]  * zxmpi gets ready to head out for daily walk.
[19:03] <daftykins> leaving the house, what is this?
[19:03] <daftykins> :)
[19:18] <zxmpi> on the medical advice of my collection of singing potatos i take daily exercise to stay sane :-P
[19:19] <davef> leave the WHAT?
[19:32] <zxmpi> leave no phone behind :-) https://mastodon.ie/@zxm/109587299541960534
[19:37] <daftykins> that's quite the stash!
[19:38] <zxmpi> i think there might be 1-2 missing from that pic.
[19:40] <davef> E63 there on bottom right.