[17:02] <Disk> שלום לכולם
[17:02] <Disk> זקוק לעזרתכם
[17:02] <Disk> אני רוצה להתקין אובונטו על דיסק און קי כך שאוכל להעלות ממנו את מערכת ההפעלה
[17:03] <Disk> האם מישהו מכם יודע להסביר לי בצרוה פשוטה איך ניתן לעשות זאת?
[19:31] <Ashael> hello
[19:33] <Ashael> anyone alive?
[19:35] <Ashael> moshe_ avihay saggim_
[19:35] <Ashael> hi Zeev
[19:37] <moshe_> hi
[19:37] <Ashael> hi moshe
[19:38] <Ashael> any chance you might be able to help me with 13.04 locale settings?
[19:38] <moshe_> hopefully, I don't use ubuntu any more but I can try to help :)
[19:38] <Ashael> oh. shame on you :P
[19:39] <moshe_> no, shame on you for not using a really open distro :)
[19:39] <Ashael> debian?
[19:39] <moshe_> fedora
[19:40] <Ashael> er, isn't Fedora a Red Hat proprietary?
[19:40] <Ashael> in some form?
[19:41] <moshe_> no, and redhat is open source too
[19:41] <Ashael> what's not open source in Ubuntu?
[19:41] <moshe_> the only thing connecting redhat and fedora is that redhat is kind of the father of fedora, but thats it
[19:43] <moshe_> it's a bit hard to explain, for example, ubuntu don't call themselcves linux, and they don't contribute back to the open source community with bug fixes and translations
[19:43] <moshe_> they are open source, but don't exactly acting in the spirit of it
[19:44] <Ashael> hm ok
[19:44] <Ashael> well, I tried Mint first, but it was a complete headache. might change distro at some point.
[19:45] <Ashael> anyway, Ubuntu: I prefer my display lanugage to be English, but the locale settings (coinage, time etc.) are in Hebrew. I'd like to use Israel's settings (e.g. weekday order), but in English. any idea?


[03:15] <Guest51810> how to i install the realtime kernel on my eeepc without installing ubuntustudio?
[03:15] <Guest51810> it's too much for my eeepc
[03:15] <Guest51810> hi, btw
[03:20] <persia> Which release of Ubuntu are you running?
[03:22] <nevyn> just add the ubuntustudio source and install the bits you need
[03:23] <persia> nevyn, There is no ubuntustudio source.
[03:23] <persia> Ubuntu Studio is just a flavour of Ubuntu.  Same repositories, etc.
[03:26] <nevyn> oh. right and there's an ubuntustudio metapackage/task..
[03:27] <nevyn> it used to be a seperate PPA I thought anyway.
[03:28] <persia> Never was.  There was a special repository back in 2007 for a bit, but that was before PPAs.
[03:33] <nevyn> ok back in 2007 is still recent history in my world.
[03:38] <persia> Only there for something like 2 months, but sure :)
[03:46] <Guest51810> ah..i thought so
[03:46] <Guest51810> was llooking for realtime or low latency kernel
[03:46] <Guest51810> found but now don't have time to fiddle with it
[03:47] <Guest51810> lmms said no rt kkernel present
[03:47] <Guest51810> falk something has rt kernel links, latter, tx
[19:33] <jordi_> hi
[19:34] <jordi_> how to install ati proietary drivers in ubuntu studio 10.01?
[19:35] <jordi_> 10.10*
[21:57] <mikko__> I upgraded to 10.10 from an studio install and now a few days later I have started getting stuttering or no audio playback either through the internal soundcard on my macbook or my NI Audio 4DJ, both with hydrogen running with jack and without jack running wen playing ogg's and mp3's any help apreciated
[23:41] <midoubleko> stuttering seems to have miraculously been cured by my messing around


[05:19] <bkerensa> pleia2: you around by chance?
[07:11] <pleia2> bkerensa: am now (but not for long)
[16:28] <philipballew> these long drives across the state of ca can get annoying. Needing to do another one today.
[20:23] <broder> hey guys - i'm about to head in the direction of the coffee bar on bryant to jam, if people are interested in joining
[20:25] <pleia2> broder: how's parking over there?
[20:26] <broder> pleia2: no idea. i'm bussing
[20:26] <broder> (but it's the mission, so probably bad)
[20:26] <pleia2> yeah, I'm trying to figure out whether I want to bus or car+grocery trip after ;)
[20:26] <pleia2> leaning toward bus though
[20:26] <broder> anyway, -> bus. see people there, hopefully
[21:39] <pleia2> here at coffee bar with broder \o/
[21:39]  * broder waves
[22:48] <pleia2> nice, I just prepped a package only to learn someone had NMUed it a week ago
[22:48]  * pleia2 facedesk
[22:49] <broder> i'm still trying to wrap my head around the gtk+ patch that's currently the oldest thing in the sponsorship queue
[22:49] <pleia2> heh :)
[23:24]  * broder sighs
[23:24] <broder> oh well. i was hoping to knock that bug out, but i still can't figure out whether or not the patch actually fixes anything
[23:58] <pleia2> one check in \o/


[04:50] <skellat> Burning Circle Episode 97 is up: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/130
[06:08] <pleia2> anyone have a chance to review that audiocast?
[06:08] <pleia2> skellat: thanks :)
[06:19] <pleia2> akgraner: stuff has been moved to the wiki and sent to editors for review, I'll do stats tomorrow morning before I head out (11 or so eastern time)
[06:19] <pleia2> should be good to publish by late afternoon your time :)
[06:20] <pleia2> just let me know if you can't get to it and I'll make sure it gets out tomorrow night
[06:23] <JoseeAntonioR> I can do it if not, will be free from 12pm pacific time
[14:13] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[14:13] <akgraner> pleia2, I have time - blocked out a couple hours so if you need me to do stats I can do those as well
[17:04] <pleia2> akgraner: should just need to add "In This Issue" section :)
[17:07] <akgraner> will do - I'm going to lunch in about 45 mins and I'll knock it out then
[17:08] <akgraner> Good Luck today!  So happy for you!
[17:09] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:46] <akgraner> philipballew, I can't this year...I have vacation the last week on this month and my daughter has auditions for Govn. School in Raleigh on Feb 8-9 then I have to be in Hong Kong on March 3
[22:46] <akgraner> I am hoping some of our guys will make it though
[22:54] <philipballew> ah I see. I'll have to say hello to your team if anyone of them come on out akgraner
[22:55] <akgraner> Thank you!
[22:55] <akgraner> :-)
[23:00] <akgraner> jeez I should update my laptop more often...:-/
[23:01] <akgraner> pleia2, Issue 299 will go out in just a few - waiting for this update to finish
[23:01] <akgraner> grrrrr
[23:15] <akgraner> I just had a hard panic in ftrace so let's see if I still have a usable laptop :-)
[23:19] <akgraner> this is kinda ugly
[23:31] <akgraner> And now the kernel team gets and email from me *sigh*
[23:31] <akgraner> s/and/an
[23:41] <philipballew> Kernel issues are tricky akgraner
[23:42] <akgraner> no kidding  -that's why I emailed the experts


[00:02] <guiverc> Andriana20, looking at your video may help, `sudo lshw -C video |pastebinit`
[00:03] <Andriana20> guiverc unfrtely i have no access to that pc atm.
[00:04] <Andriana20> I get access fir 3-4 hours the last four days,  as i am lending a hand to a friend
[00:05] <Andriana20> So it's 3-4 hours a day
[00:05] <Andriana20> So,  what will this command offer?
[00:06] <Andriana20> Oh wait,  i pasted my video earlier today to someone who also tried to help me
[00:06] <Andriana20> Maybe if you update the chat history log,  you can gind it
[00:07] <Andriana20> If it wasnt the video,  ut was definitely something related to it. It was a link i shared that was generated by the terminal though a command
[00:08] <Andriana20> It was 7-8 hours ago
[00:08] <guiverc> that command lists-hardware of class video & pastebin's result
[00:09] <Andriana20> think you can look for it?
[00:10] <guiverc> not currently sorry.
[00:11] <Andriana20> so what can i possibly do after that?
[00:11] <guiverc> (it's not in my chat history as I wasn't online, it'll be on irclogs)
[00:13] <Andriana20> I ve looked for different solutions.  Some say updating the drivers..)(though my gpu is quite old)  others suggest unplugging the vga cable and replugging it
[00:13] <Andriana20> I mean,  there jas to be a way.  Right?
[00:17] <guiverc> A 18.04 release means the 2018-April release, for your old machine the 'drivers' (kernel modules) will already be far newer than your hardware in my opinion.  Some older hardware has support dropped (often for security reasons), but I don't know about your video hardware, 512 in tiny & i've not used <1GB machines in a long time (with rare exception)
[00:19] <Andriana20> So there isn't any way to get through this?
[00:21] <guiverc> I don't know, I can only give my opinion (limited details of your box, why I asked for lshw details) & my experience with 384MB or tiny RAM machines is old, and applies to older releases (older kernels & software stacks thus may not all apply)
[00:21] <Andriana20> Ram size shouldnt matter at all over this resolution issue.  I  had a proper resolution on windows 7 while on 512 ram
[00:22] <Andriana20> Then i could install the older softwafe
[00:23] <Andriana20> Software needed,  i do not see an issue
[00:24] <Andriana20> Low specs was the reason i booted lubuntu in the first place
 Linux can't fix hardware.
[00:25] <Andriana20> You do realise it sounds strange for an os thats especially designed for older systems too,  to be called on lack of support?
[00:26] <Andriana20> kc2bez who said anything about fixing hardware?  Hardware is in quite good state
[00:27] <Andriana20> It's lubuntu's missing the ability to detect the components
 https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[00:30] <Andriana20> kc2bez No matter which direction you are taking,  you can't escape which one you took in the past. If component drivers are missing,  it's not a user's problem
[00:32] <Andriana20> So if the developers detect any lack of that type,  they may work on it
[00:34] <Andriana20> What do you recommend then?
[00:35] <Andriana20> I ve seen systems of 2002 run on fine resolution.  Thats not thebissue
[00:35] <Andriana20> It surely idnt
[00:36] <Andriana20> Isnt'
 Without the computer in question it is difficult to troubleshoot.
[00:37] <Andriana20> I ve already given the components
[00:37] <Andriana20> graphics AL1716 (1280x1024) 16MB ATI VGA
[00:38] <Andriana20> Not a big deal
 True but it is difficult to try suggestions without testing on the hardware.
[00:38] <Andriana20> Will you be available to talk in 13.5 hours from now?
[00:39] <Andriana20> ! Lets call an arrangement so this is ended
 We're all volunteers here so there isn't necessarily a schedule. I may possibly be around or someone else may be around. Just post when you are at the computer.
[00:42] <Andriana20> Listen,  i did post 8 hours ago,  about the exact same problem,  even after binpasting the link overhere and i got no respond
 8 hours ago I was at work and unable to be in the channel.
[00:43] <Andriana20> I do need to have specifically someone who can handle this during a specific time period e
[00:44] <guiverc> Andriana20, 8 hours ago I was asleep (~2am), if you want support that fits you, use paid support, not volunteers
[00:44] <Andriana20> Could you urge one of your best troubleshooters to shed some attention on this?
[00:44] <wxl> go post it on the forum and the mailing list
[00:48] <Andriana20> How will a post givee a solution?  Live commucation is needed
[00:48] <wxl> because if you provide all the information needed, someone will be able to work with it
[00:52] <flyback> wxl, on the taskbar
[00:52] <flyback> I don't remember lxde having "close" on the very bottom
[00:52] <Andriana20> any european troublesholters?
[00:52] <wxl> flyback: it does
[00:52] <flyback> ok
[00:53] <flyback> thx
[00:53] <flyback> I think I fixed it
[00:53] <wxl> Andriana20: you could sit here and keep trying, hoping and praying that you'll get what you're looking for. or you could make a post. or i'm sure you could find many a person you could pay to do what you want. as far as free support is concerned, though, beggars can't be choosers…
[00:54] <flyback> now if you hit close on purpose or accident it just goes to tray
[00:54] <flyback> and keeps running
[00:54] <Andriana20> wlx what the hell are you talking about malaka?
[00:54] <wxl> malaka?
[00:55] <Andriana20> Who gave you the absurd impression i am begging to anyone?
[00:56] <Andriana20> I dont know anything about beggars,  but big mouth chatters can definitely be chllsers
[00:56] <wxl> the dictionary https://www.thefreedictionary.com/begging
[00:56] <Andriana20> Choosers
[00:56] <wxl> " To ask (someone) for something in an urgent or humble manner"
[00:57] <Andriana20> Hahahah
[00:57] <Andriana20> Then look for ' live technical support'
[00:57] <wxl> whatever you want to call it, you've been offered lots of options. it's up to you what you want to do with it.
[00:59] <Andriana20> Maybe the Software Development company could pay for some staff to do so.  So users don't come to be cled beggars for asking for help for a piece of software that requres technical knowledge on the user's side
[01:00] <guiverc> Software Development company??  Lubuntu is created by volunteers, not a company.
[01:00] <wxl> ^ exactly what three of us have been trying to explain
[01:01] <wxl> that said, i even said there are many folks that would be willing to do what you want for a fee, so like you said, money can make things happen
[01:01] <Andriana20> It is true i was offered options.  But let me decide whether it has been helpful.  Because by that logic,  i could go to a hospital and the nurses tell me to ask somdwhere else for my medical assistance
[01:01] <wxl> whcih they sometimes do
[01:01] <Andriana20> That is an option offering,  but i asked for a simple solution.  Its oksy though
[01:02] <wxl> small towns often don't have the facilities larger hospitals do
[01:02] <Andriana20> You can see it any way you want to
[01:02] <wxl> if it's a simple solutiojn, then it doesn't require "live assistance"
[01:02] <wxl> go post to the forum if you want simple
[01:02] <Andriana20> Then they should be provided ones
[01:02] <wxl> you have been provided options
[01:02] <Andriana20> Or else these hospitals arent working properly
[01:02] <wxl> you just, apparently, don't like them?
[01:03] <Andriana20> Just apparently,  they are not givng a solution
[01:03] <wxl> go post to the forum
[01:03] <wxl> all the information you have
[01:03] <Andriana20> Listen,  you have already expressed your view on what is happening
[01:03] <wxl> i'm sure you will get your solution
[01:04] <wxl> or if you want to deal with someone live exactly at the time of your choosing, pay someone to do it
[01:04] <oerheks> there are more people reading and answering on forums than irc.
[01:04] <wxl> otherwise, you can continue with what you're doing (posting here over and over, i.e. repeating the same behavior and expecting different results)
[01:05] <Andriana20> Wxl Why dont you tell me ablut my behavkor?
[01:05] <wxl> oh forget it
[01:05] <wxl> good luck
 @oerheks [<oerheks> there are more people reading and answering on forums than irc.], It also works better for asynchronous support
[01:05] <Andriana20> What are you tracing?
[01:05] <Andriana20> Good luck to you to
[01:06] <Andriana20> Gold luck with the human beings you are negotiating with aswell
[01:06] <Andriana20> In thefuture
[01:06] <Andriana20> It can mean th difference
[01:06] <tomreyn> Andriana20: i think you made your point. let's move on to something else now.
[01:07] <Andriana20> And also the persoective you use to view someone's situation
[01:26] <Munsko> theres lubuntu-specific apps developed in lxqt?
[01:26] <Munsko> i mean, the developer team of lubuntu have made specifical programs for the distro or are they shared with other lxqt os?
[01:37] <guiverc> Munsko, members of the Lubuntu team have created scripts, apps & code that is used by Lubuntu, but it's not been reserved for ourselves, it's been pushed/offered upstream to LXQt & other Qt users  (I don't see Lubuntu as a lxqt OS, it's Ubuntu with LXQt which can use non-Qt apps too)
[01:37] <Munsko> i see, maybe my question is a bit strange
[01:38] <Munsko> but i was thinking about the translations
[01:38] <Munsko> maybe theres needed some help to translate the apps
[01:38] <Munsko> like the locale(the global system) and specific apps
[01:39] <guiverc> sorry I'm not equipped to offer anything on language/translations
[01:42] <Munsko> hmm
[01:42] <Munsko> i didnt get what you mean
[01:43] <Munsko> i was wondering if the development team need help with translations
[01:44] <guiverc> sorry, thank you for offering, I don't know anything about translations so cannot offer any advice or answers on that topic sorry. You'll need to wait for others.
[01:44] <Munsko> oh, now i get it
[01:45] <Munsko> i will search in forums
[01:46] <guiverc> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-help-with-lubuntu-translation/732/2
[01:47] <Munsko> i was just in that topic lol
[01:47] <Munsko> thanks
[01:48]  * guiverc :)
 @Munsko [<Munsko> i was wondering if the development team need help with translations], the translation platform is not yet online.
[01:59] <Munsko> i see
 @Munsko [<Munsko> i see], will be launched for some programs and for translations of the lubuntu manual
[02:00] <Munsko> make translations in a text file is very unpractical,right?
 @Munsko [<Munsko> make translations in a text file is very unpractical,right?], the translation platform is weblate, separate the phrases for the translation, I do not recommend that you do it yet
[02:04] <Munsko> well, lets wait so
 you are from?
[02:04] <Munsko> i have some extra time this days and i tought about help a bit
[02:04] <Munsko> argentina
[02:05] <Munsko> since i know 0 about programation i thought in translations
 you have a spanish group in #lubuntu-es
[02:06] <Munsko> yes, theres just 1 guy, 3 bots and chan lol
[02:06] <Munsko> i dont need the translations, just wanted to help
 is linked with telegram group, with 358 persons
 no problem with that
[02:07] <Munsko> if i speak there they will see it?
[02:07] <Munsko> and vice versa?
 yes
[02:08] <Munsko> i see
[02:08] <Munsko> tought it was abandoned or something like that
[10:37] <luigi> hi
[18:05] <andriana20> Good Evening,I have a computer, year 2005 with the following features:Cpu AMD Sempron 3000+ Palermo 90nm, RAM: 512MB, motherboard microstar LS-7135, graphics ATI Radeon 9200 PRO (1280x1024) VGA Initially the computer was running windows 7 home 32-bit, but due to a slow response, I decided to install lubuntu 18.04.4 32-bit. Everything went great
[18:05] <andriana20> with the installation, except for an issue. Back when i was at windows, the system ran at 1280x780 resolution (confirmed it recently, so its tested resolution that works. About the 1280x1024 in the specs, i got it from speccy, but maybe this resolution also works on my screen.) Unfortunately in lubuntu, the only option for resolution now in screen
[18:05] <andriana20> preferences, is 640x480, 72hz, without giving other options for better clarity (the ones I mentioned above). The first time I tried to resolve the issue, I found a forum post that suggested I use the command 'sudo nano/etc/default/grub'  to edit the file's text line from # GRUB_TERMINAL = console to GRUB_TERMINAL = console . After saving it, the
[18:05] <andriana20> 1280x780 option returned to the preferences.  I selected it,  saved it, but it instantly disappeared . After that, and restarting the computer, the system could no longer load lubuntu os in any way and i had to reinstall them via dvd. Since then, I have obviously avoided doing such an action again, but with the little knowledge I have, i ran
[18:05] <andriana20> xrandir on the terminal,  but unfortunately the only available resolution shown is 640*480.. Do you have any solutions to this?  Any help will be appreciated..
[18:19] <diogenes_> andriana20, run in terminal: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:19] <diogenes_> ahare the url
[18:20] <andriana20> ok
[18:21] <andriana20> one sec
[18:21] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/9i8x
[18:25] <diogenes_> andriana20, and now: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:26] <andriana20> it returns no such catalog or file exists 8(
[18:27] <diogenes_> andriana20, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i agpgart | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:29] <andriana20> Ok, it run, but nothing returned by terminal
[18:29] <andriana20> shall i now run the previous one?
[18:30] <diogenes_> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep agpgart
[18:30] <diogenes_> does it show anything?
[18:30] <andriana20> ran again, but no output
[18:30] <diogenes_> ok this one: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i radeon | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:31] <andriana20> got it
[18:31] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/9x3u
[18:33] <diogenes_> ok let's see the entire xorg log: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/w32c
[18:38] <diogenes_> andriana20, ls usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:40] <andriana20> no such file or catalog
[18:40] <diogenes_> oh sorry my bad, i ate a slash: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:40] <diogenes_> wait
[18:40] <diogenes_> wrong
[18:41] <andriana20> oh ok
[18:41] <diogenes_> ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:41] <diogenes_> multitasking :)
[18:41] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/dj3a
[18:46] <andriana20> is that any help?
[18:51] <diogenes_> andriana20, not so fast.
[18:56] <diogenes_> andriana20, xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:56] <andriana20> ok @diogenes_
[18:56] <andriana20> it said
[18:56] <andriana20> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[18:56] <andriana20> and then returned
[18:56] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/8zgs1
[19:00] <diogenes_> andriana20, cvt 1280 780 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:00] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/drcn
[19:02] <diogenes_> andriana20, now run here in the chat: /exec xrandr | grep " connected " | awk '{ print$1 }'
[19:02] <andriana20> run in the chat? how!
[19:02] <andriana20> i copied and pressed enter
[19:03] <andriana20> did it work?
[19:03] <diogenes_> and did you get any result?
[19:03] <andriana20> noo...
[19:03] <diogenes_> ok then  in terminal:  xrandr | grep " connected " | awk '{ print$1 }' | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:03] <andriana20> Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[19:04] <diogenes_> nothing more?
[19:04] <andriana20> unfortunately no
[19:06] <diogenes_> andriana20, ok we can try a thing a bit risky one but all is fixable.
[19:06] <andriana20> ok
[19:06] <andriana20> letțs do it
[19:08] <diogenes_> andriana20, sudo mkdir /usr/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[19:08] <diogenes_> just say when done
[19:09] <andriana20> no such directory or catalog exists
[19:09] <andriana20> file*
[19:09] <diogenes_> oh wait
[19:09] <diogenes_>  sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[19:11] <andriana20> done
[19:11] <andriana20> ok
[19:11] <diogenes_> pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
[19:11] <andriana20> a text file opened
[19:11] <andriana20> 20-vesa.conf
[19:12] <andriana20> (leafpad:6044): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 22:11:37.686: g_dbus_proxy_new: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
[19:12] <andriana20> this is what the terminal returned
[19:12] <diogenes_> ok in minute i'll give you what to paste into that opened document.
[19:12] <andriana20> ok
[19:12] <andriana20> hope it goes well
[19:15] <diogenes_> andriana20, one more output i need (run it in another terminal):  cvt 640 480 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:16] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/12rj
[19:20] <diogenes_> into that empty document paste the content of the following link: http://dpaste.com/3QM0FGF
[19:20] <diogenes_> close, save and run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:21] <andriana20> ok , a quick question first
[19:21] <andriana20> do we want 1280x780 or 1280x1024 (max screen res)?
[19:21] <diogenes_> andriana20, we take one step at a time.
[19:21] <andriana20> ok
[19:22] <andriana20> save file??
 close, save and run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:22] <andriana20> close what?
[19:22] <diogenes_> yeah, first save then close :)
[19:22] <andriana20> oh
[19:22] <andriana20> ok
[19:23] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/s1uf
[19:25] <diogenes_> andriana20, i missed a few lines, again because mutitasking, run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf
[19:26] <andriana20> ok, a file opened
[19:26] <andriana20> terminal returned (leafpad:6164): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 22:26:06.854: g_dbus_proxy_new: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
[19:26] <andriana20> 20-vesa.conf
[19:27] <diogenes_> remove everything and paste the following: http://dpaste.com/24ZQXAB
[19:27] <diogenes_> save, close and: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:28] <andriana20> https://termbin.com/1d58
[19:30] <diogenes_> ok looks good, now before you reboot, write down somewhere the following command: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf && systemctl reboot
[19:30] <andriana20> like on a paper?
[19:30] <diogenes_> if after reboot you get a black screen with a blinking cursor then you need to:
[19:30] <diogenes_> 1) press ctrl+alt+f1
[19:31] <andriana20> sh!t
[19:31] <diogenes_> 2) enter your username and password
[19:31] <andriana20> last time it gave me this black screen with the cursor i couldnt do anything
[19:31] <diogenes_> 3) sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-vesa.conf && systemctl reboot
[19:31] <andriana20> i did ctrlaltf5 and it didnt respond
[19:31] <diogenes_> now write those command down on a paper and go ahead and reboot
[19:32] <diogenes_> in any case if you have a DVD, we can always boot from DVD and fix the problem from there.
[19:32] <diogenes_> i mean not reinstalling but fixing.
[19:32] <andriana20> oh ok
[19:32] <andriana20> tell me when i should reboot
[19:32] <andriana20> i wont be able to type
[19:32] <diogenes_> now
[19:33] <andriana20> wish me luck
[19:33] <diogenes_> luck :)
[19:36] <andriana20> diogenes_ the system rebooted
[19:36] <diogenes_> and?
[19:36] <andriana20> but still in the same resolution :(
[19:36] <diogenes_> and what does xrandr say?
[19:37] <andriana20> Still says 640*480 at all cases.


[04:22] <chaotix> hi.  i am using lubuntu 16.04, and chromium web apps are showing up under the chromium icon instead of their own in the launcher bar.  i know that there is a fix to this, some line of text added or commented out of a file somewhere, but I can not for the life of me remember what that is, and i am apparently not googling it correctly as to find the forum post where i learned this fix before, can someone help me?
[16:34] <HELPmeh> Shall I run Lubuntu with FAT32?
[16:35] <HELPmeh> guys?
[16:36] <HELPmeh> Shall I run Lubuntu with FAT32?
[16:36] <HELPmeh> Shall I run Lubuntu with FAT32?
[16:36] <HELPmeh> Shall I run Lubuntu with FAT32?
[21:05] <kjgla> ellow?
[21:05] <wxl> ?
[21:06] <kjgla> I have a problem
[22:11] <rek> hello, do you know how can i have my usb in otg mode at the boot without using the settings program coman to enable it?
[22:15] <rek> this might be an hard question
[22:16] <wxl> rek: might check with ##linux or #ubuntu to widen the range of experience


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[00:14] <acheronuk> mparillo: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=calibre&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[00:14] <acheronuk> ^^^ calibre compiled against Qt 5.6 :)
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[00:26] <acheronuk> valorie: assuming that calibe works, we just copy across to our ppa.
[00:32] <acheronuk> valorie: I missed that from slangasek, and not sure how those merges work in practice to be honest. I shall find out
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[01:52] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what's up with MoM?
[01:52] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you tell me. I haven't dealt with it before
[01:54] <acheronuk> [06:21] <slangasek> acheronuk: there are now a number of Kubuntu packages listed on https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html that I'm TIL on; is there a better plan for getting these up-to-date wrt Debian unstable than for me to merge them via MoM?
[01:55] <acheronuk> TIL?
[02:01] <acheronuk> yofe clivejo : do you have plans or usual plans for dealing with such a list of kubuntu stuff on MoM?
[02:01] <acheronuk> yofel I meant
[02:07] <valorie> acheronuk: at this point, http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux still says:
[02:07] <valorie> The latest release of calibre is 2.70.0. What's new.
[02:07] <valorie> Please do not use your distribution provided calibre package, as those are often buggy/outdated. Instead use the Binary install described below.
[02:07] <valorie> Binary install
[02:07] <valorie> calibre has a binary install that includes private versions of all its dependencies. It runs on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel compatible machines.
[02:08] <acheronuk> valorie: I know, and that is what I do here.
[02:08] <acheronuk> Or I actually compile from source :P
[02:09] <valorie> I mean, we could get sources and compile and test....
[02:10] <acheronuk> calibre is a bit of a pain to compile sometimes, and worse to package by all accounts
[02:11] <acheronuk> the version in the overlay ppa is old, but matches the archive one for XX and presumably works.
[02:12] <acheronuk> and calibre gets version updates so frequently that not sure it's worth trying to keep up to date with in our ppas
[02:13] <acheronuk> especially as you point out there is an easy binary install script on th calibre site
[02:15] <valorie> I just install it each time I start reading stuff on my kindle again
[02:16] <acheronuk> I update it every so often, at least on machines I may read ebooks on
[02:18] <valorie> eh, I hate reading on the computer
[02:19] <valorie> kindle is better for books
[02:22] <acheronuk> yes, I should probably give in and get one
[02:26] <valorie> mine is old, and better than the new ones I think
[02:26] <valorie> not even touch screen
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[06:47] <soee> dirty COW :)
[06:47] <soee> o/
[08:03] <jimarvan> goooood morning kubuntians! :D
[08:22] <acheronuk> jimarvan: morning
[08:23] <acheronuk> clivejo: confirmed ktexteditor is fixed in zesty :)
[08:23] <jimarvan> :D
[08:25] <acheronuk> santa_: looks like you have been busy on those FW rebuilds for xenial backports. just armhf dep waits left by the looks of it
[08:44] <yofel> acheronuk: no, I don't really have a plan.
[08:45] <yofel> I usually just fail at it because I try to do it overly perfect and end up taking way too much time
[08:48] <acheronuk> yofel: yes, when you have the number of packages we do, the amount of work to do a proper merge looks daunting!
[08:50] <acheronuk> another item to discuss when we manage to get most people together on BBB in the not too distant future then
[09:04] <acheronuk> ok. if we do want to merge stuff, I am prepared to invest some time in that. with help. if that is what we need to do that is.
[11:22] <soee> ahoneybun: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Shipping For Linux In Two Weeks !!
[11:43] <santa_> acheronuk: yes, I think the kubuntu-retry-builds needs a bit of reworking
[11:44] <santa_> it takes too many options (you can find out the ppaname from the release type)
[11:44] <santa_> amrhf is skipped in a hardcoded fashion
[11:45] <kfunk> hmm, what's the state re. packaging Qt5WebEngine for 16.10?
[11:45] <kfunk> google is being unhelpful
[11:46] <santa_> I also have the impression that you don't need the build logs to retry the builds, and that part of the code is just a legacy of very old times
[11:46] <santa_> and the --force and --forcedepwait behave in a weird fashion
[11:46] <santa_> they don't do what the help does they do
[11:47] <santa_> * they don't do what the help says they do
[11:47] <santa_> kfunk: it's being worked on
[12:20] <acheronuk> kfunk: QtWebEngine won't be in 16.10 apart from maybe in a backport ppa, as it's not even upstream in debian yet
[12:22] <acheronuk> santa_: I hadn't considered how that would behave on the enabled arches. makes sense what you say though
[12:22] <kfunk> ok, ty
[12:50] <yofel> you might as well rewrite that script from scratch, that was originally written to emulate the depwait auto-retry while that was disabled in LP for technical reasons, but then evolved into ... something
[14:50] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: QtWebEngine in Decembee/January for sure
[14:50] <tsimonq2> *December
[15:28] <jimarvan> see ya later boys :D
[16:30] <yofel> wtf of the day - lp 1635510
[16:30] <yofel> would be funny if it wasn't accurate
[16:40] <sgclark> lol
[16:40] <sgclark> sorry had to do ti
[17:16] <clivejo> anyone seen crogers about?
[18:37]  * acheronuk sets up a sid VM to look at debian's plasma 5.8
 how does Debian have 5.8? they don't have the kirigami libs for Discover
 they made that a hard dep
[18:52] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kirigami.git/
 last I heard debian did not have it
 Nice!
[18:54] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kirigami/
[18:55] <clivejo> we are building it in KCI too
[18:59]  * clivejo wonders can I upload that as a new package to zesty
[19:10] <acheronuk> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/kirigami_1.1.0-1.html
[19:28] <clivejo> oh Launchpad.... where did you put my package!
[19:31] <clivejo> hummm rejected it!
[19:31] <clivejo> lovely
[19:32] <clivejo> santa_: why would the gbp-archive not be including the source?
[19:32] <blaze> my package is over the ocean, my package is over the sea, LP bring back, bring back my package to me
[19:32] <clivejo> Rejected:
[19:32] <clivejo> Unable to find kirigami_1.1.0.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[19:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kirigami build #39: STILL UNSTABLE in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kirigami/39/
[19:33] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kirigami build #43: STILL UNSTABLE in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kirigami/43/
[19:39] <santa_> clivejo: if the package was alredy uploaded to the target it shouldn't include the source, can you give me the link to the git repo where you are tying to build please?
[19:39] <soee> zz will use Qt 5.7 ?
 Yes soee
[19:40] <acheronuk> soee: Qt 5.7 probably won't land until Jan/Feb
[19:40] <soee> :|
 Well I've been talking to Timo
 I'll be helping out with that
 And no, not February, it won't go that long
[19:41] <blaze> that's the time Qt5.8 already will be released
 When 5.7.1 gets released, we'll stage it, then we have to make sure everything builds
 Then test installability and such
 Then we move it into the archive
[19:43] <acheronuk> blaze: yep. sadly so
 soee, blaze: We don't put .0 releases into the archive. So 5.8 will wait until 5.8.1 comes out.
 Why, do you guys need something specific backported?
[19:47] <blaze> qtwebengine is too old, even with 5.7 being landed
 For Qt?
 I mean, for KDE?
[19:51] <blaze> qtwebengine 5.7 is based on chromium 49, and lacks some important features that already were implemented for 5.8
[19:52] <acheronuk> qupzilla?
[19:54] <blaze> yes, qupzilla's progress is suffering bacause of this stuff
 We're sorta SOL then unless you have specifics
 Well we'll get 5.8 eventually.
 It's not like it'll never happen
[19:56] <valorie> !info qupzilla
 Lubuntu would ship with it
[19:57] <valorie> blaze: what is the up-to-date version?
 It's not the version of Qupzilla that matters, it's Qt, valorie.
[19:59] <blaze> valorie: 2.0 is latest stable but it's not as good as 1.8.9
[19:59] <santa_> clivejo: nevermind, fixed in master, thanks for reporting that
 How so?
[19:59] <valorie> I know that we all want a more up-to-date Qt
[20:00] <valorie> because of Plasma if nothing else
 But I hear a lot of things break with .0
 So it's good to wait
[20:02] <valorie> agreed, @tsimonq2
[20:13] <blaze> sometimes I think that it would be better to work on some toolkit-agnostic interface to WebKit
[20:15] <blaze> but instead we have qtwebengine, qtwebkit-ng, qtwebkit (discontinued) only for Qt
[20:18] <blaze> also forgot to mention khtml which is suspended
[20:18] <blaze> that's a mess, not happy with it indeed :\
 Huh?
[20:19] <valorie> it all starts with optimization, and just continues
[20:39] <santa_> acheronuk: about the staging ppas I'm going to edit its dependencies; this way we won't have to copy frameworks to the plasma staging ppa and such
[20:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: ^^^
[20:40] <santa_> also we can enable or disable the dependencies depending on what we want to do
[20:44] <acheronuk> I assumed there was some reason that was not already done as a matter of course, but it does make sense as long as you remember to check and make a note of what the dependency setting are each time you stage somthing
[20:45] <acheronuk> ahh. Friday :)
[20:45]  * acheronuk opens a beer
[20:56] <santa_> same here
[20:56] <santa_> good nigh o/
[20:56] <santa_> * night
[20:56] <valorie> niters santa_
[20:56] <valorie> sweet dreams
[20:59] <santa_> not going to sleep actually :|
[20:59] <santa_> but thanks valorie :)
[21:00] <valorie> have a nice evening then
[21:00] <valorie> :-)
[21:32] <mparillo> One problem with Qupzilla in the Ubuntu Repos is that spelling does not seem to work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qupzilla/+bug/1440743
[21:34] <mparillo> And now in Manjaro stable (Application version 2.0.1; QtWebEngine version 5.7.0) it is broken again.
[21:35] <mparillo> Apparently it is waiting on Qt 5.8 that provides Spellchecking with Hunspell
 Yeah I was alway told not to enable the other PPAs
 And to kopy the packages needed
 I can see the logic in that, as it keeps everything built/dependant on each other together.  Easier to keep track of, and when eventually ready to copy over to landing etc you don't have to assemble a bits from several sources. A bit brute force method, but less susceptible to mistakes.
[22:14] <clivejo> also helps understand the three components by keeping them separate
[22:15] <clivejo> like a cascading workflow
 pros and cons on both
 mm odd: https://alpha.wallhaven.cc/tag/52290
 not sure if that is legal
[22:55] <valorie> interesting, ahoneybun
[22:55] <valorie> you might want to twig the VDG onto that site so they can check it out
[22:57] <ahoneybun> yea


[06:56] <Duke`> erf disabled the compiz-experimental ppa just on a broken version... >_<
[17:23] <Dandel> ricotz, there is a reasonable sized patch set on the piglit mailing list that should be looked into and responded to.


[01:27] <ahmadtarek> hi
[01:27] <ahmadtarek> I think that bug #268946 should be marked as wishlist
[01:59] <hggdh> ahmadtarek, first we have to figure out what package would the bug be in
[02:03] <ahmadtarek> OK
[02:37] <persia> hggdh: If gpg-encrypted files did have an icon, what application do you think they ought launch?  I know gedit has a plugin which works fairly well, but I'm not sure if either kate is still the default or kate has such a plugin.  What do you think of a multi-task bug?
[02:43] <hggdh> persia, I was thinking about the same lines... this cannot be a single package thingy
[02:44] <hggdh> but I cannot figure out which packages should be in (and I would hate to put in the wrong ones)
[02:44] <persia> hggdh: Well, it could be, in that gnupg could provide the necessary MIME hints, or we could create a wrapper that provided the MIME hints, decrypted, rechecked the file, and passed it to the MIME-open handler for the DE (if it exists).
[02:45] <hggdh> yes, certainly the icon should be provided by gpg, but would mime be better used out of the standard mime-type supplier?
[02:45] <persia> Alternately, we could expect each DE to extend the MIME-open handler to auto-decrypt gpg-encrypted data (with pinentry), and then pass to the appropriate owning application for the data itself.
[02:45] <hggdh> persia, this now is more like a project than a simple bug
[02:46] <hggdh> no matter what, I think indeed the icon should be provided with gnupg
[02:47] <persia> hggdh: Indeed.  Mind you, it's only a one or two day project, and some real bugs take a week or more to sort, so I'm not sure it belongs external to the bugtracker, but I do agree it's wishlist (with the affected package to be determined by whoever develops a good idea of how to implement)
[02:47] <hggdh> persia, OK. I will add gnupg as a base package, and note in there this chat
[02:48] <persia> Why should gnupg provide the icon?  It's deep base, so it's quite possible that when the gpg postinst runs, there is no available icon cache in which to register the icon.  Remember: dpkg likes to have gpg available when starting the install.
[02:49] <persia> Not registering the icon means that it's not in the icon cache, which might cause a broken icon in some environments (although one presumes another package will refresh the icon cache later, there's no guarantee)
[02:49] <hggdh> then...
[02:49] <hggdh> this would be part of a desktop package
[02:51] <persia> That's what I'm thinking.  Probably the responsibility of the MIME-open handler for the DE, and absent in environments without such a handler.
[02:51] <persia> So, in the case of GNOME, nautilus and gnome-open would be able to handle the idea of decrypting, and redirecting to the appropriate place.
[02:52] <persia> Note that such an implementation may be considered a possible security issue, as there's no guarantee that the contents of the cleartext will not be committed to disk somewhere for applications without native handling of encypted files, which is why I thought gedit, vim, kate, etc. might also be a good set of candidates for the affected package.
[02:53] <hggdh> hum
[02:53] <hggdh> nautilus already offers a decrypt option
[02:53] <persia> Yes, but as currently implemented, it does store cleartext on disc, which may not be what a user expects from just double-clicking an icon.
[02:53] <hggdh> (actually two, in may case: kgpg and "Decrypt file"
[02:54] <persia> Of course, we could just provide an icon and no MIME handlers, but I expect we'll get anothe wishlist bug saying it should open something.
[02:54] <hggdh> but persia, this is a different issue: where a cleartext should be stored is a problem of the application creating it
[02:55] <hggdh> (meaning memory, clean-up, etc)
[02:55] <hggdh> hum -- persia the mime-handler already exists, at least on Intrepid
[02:56] <persia> In that case, the provider of the mime-handler ought also provide an icon.
[02:57] <hggdh> cool. this simplifies the issue: kgpg does not provide it (the default application that opened to deal with the file), and "Decrypt File" (which I am going to find out what it is)
[02:58] <persia> And that covers GNOME and KDE.  Anyone running xfce that can check this?  How does thunar handle it?
[02:58] <hggdh> this begs another question: is it an application responsability to provide the icons, or should they be provided by, say, nautilus?
[02:59] <hggdh> user scenario: I received a file for which I do not have the correct application installed. Should it be shown without an icon (if this is a, huh, common, application)?
[03:00] <persia> Generally it's the responsibility of the provider of the MIME hints to provide the icons as well.
[03:00] <persia> Yeah, but most users are going to have a decryptor as part of their install, and those who fussed with the install can go install one.
[03:01] <hggdh> for gpg, yes, I agree. The question was generic, though
[03:02] <persia> The generic argument is "If it's a common file type, the MIME handler is included in the default install.  If you think there isn't a handler for something that is a common filetype, please file a bug", and then we look at whether a given application should be installed by default.
[03:03] <persia> There are also ways to provide mime-handlers that cause installs to happen (c.f. easy-codec-installs), but ideally these are kept to a minimum, as it's a fair amount of overhead.
[03:06] <hggdh> so we are back to kgpg & friends
[03:07] <hggdh> and no icon unless a application that deals with it is installed. OK. For this specific case, kgpg and the "Decrypt File" should then be selected for starters
[03:08] <hggdh> seahorse, it seems
[03:18] <persia> That makes sense to me, and then kgpg and seahorse can decide what to do with the file.
[03:19] <persia> Also, kgpg and seahorse can provide icons that work well with the general ideas, and can likely be themeable.
[03:24] <hggdh> just checked -- seahorse does provide the icons, at /usr/share/pixmaps/seahorse
[03:25] <hggdh> so what is missing is for the icons to be registered
[03:25] <hggdh> ergo, it is out of a wishlist, and back as a bug
[03:32] <persia> I still think it's "wishlist", as it doesn't really interfere with much, but at least you found a candidate package :)
[03:32] <hggdh> roger willco
[03:34] <hggdh> done
[03:40] <persia> Excellent detective work there.  I start wondering how to solve the problem in a vacuum, and you've discovered someone just forgot to hint the icon in the MIME registration :)
[03:41]  * hggdh blushes
[03:41] <hggdh> well tell you the truth, I was completely lost... you gave me the idea of where to look for it. Guess it is what you get for using the command line for 30 yearas
[03:43] <persia> heh.
[05:58] <techno_freak> bug 269667 - is it a bug or a question?
[06:01] <nullack> persia : ok moved it here :)
[06:02] <persia> nullack: So, what was the question?
[06:02] <nullack> Whats the criteria for being eligible?
[06:03] <persia> Anyone is welcome to join bugsquad, and help out.
[06:03] <nullack> I noticed your one and I know your online :)
[06:03] <nullack> Im in bug squad
[06:03] <nullack> Im asking about bug control
[06:03] <nullack> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol
[06:03] <persia> Joining bug control generally requires one to have at least 5 examples of bugs well triaged, and to get good comments to the application by other members of bug control.
[06:04] <nullack> Well my karma is 1126 so I should be able to come up with some examples
[06:04] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl lists the explicit criteria, and describes the application process.
[06:04] <nullack> Thanks persia
[06:04] <persia> nullack: good luck with your applicaiton.
[07:17] <fabrice_sp> Hi. How do I convert a bug into a sync request? (bug 119959)
[07:23] <persia> !sync
[07:23] <persia> Grumble
[07:24] <persia> fabrice_sp: You'd edit the description to match https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[07:25] <persia> Note that the archive is currently under freeze restrictions for features and UI changes.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule andhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[07:28] <fabrice_sp> persia: thanks for the link. That's right that I forget this freezing issue. Anyway, I'll update the descriptionfor compliance purpose
[07:28] <persia> fabrice_sp: No point updating the description unless you think it deserves a freeze exception.  Everything will get updated after release anyway.
[07:29] <danbh_intrepid> hey, if a bug is fixed in intrepid, but not hardy, what do you mark it as?  Fix released?  Fix commited?  of just leave it as confirmed?
[07:29] <persia> danbh_intrepid: Fix Released
[07:29] <danbh_intrepid> mk, thanks
[07:30] <fabrice_sp> persia: ok
[08:11] <NCommander> Is there anyone here who is a gnucash user who's willing to help me test an update to gnucash?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Bug #269656
[09:39] <nullack> Hobbsee I noticed that, can confirm on intrepid it does occur
[09:39] <Hobbsee> nullack: yeah, I just hit it and went wtf.
[09:39] <nullack> :)
[09:39]  * Hobbsee hits it with the ZOMGIMPORTANT stick.
[09:39] <nullack> Want me to confirm it or are you ok traiging it?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> i've already shot it far beyond where you can triage it, but thanks for the offer.
[09:40] <nullack> :)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[17:36] <joumetal> hello. is bug 220717 enough to get rungetty updated?
[17:36] <joumetal> It's fixed in Debian.
[18:00] <james_w> joumetal: hi, yes it is, it's a bit difficult though
[18:01] <james_w> joumetal: it's not clear what the fix is, so it's hard to fix just that
[18:01] <james_w> joumetal: we could take the whole update, but as it will be rebuilt there is no guarantee that it will be fixed
[18:02] <joumetal> james_w: fortunately debian changelog is not massive.
[18:02] <james_w> yes, but it's still not a targetted fix
[18:07] <joumetal> I understand. thanks.
[18:07] <james_w> I'm trying to find a release team member to consult, but there don't seem to be any around at this moment
[21:44] <Flimm> Can I divide a bug into two bugs?
[22:09] <mrooney> Flimm: well sure, just file a new bug and take the parts about that out of the original
[22:09] <mrooney> and then perhaps link them in the description if they are related
[22:31] <mrooney> when I file an upstream bug report on gnome bugzilla, what is the proper way to link to the LP bug?
[22:33] <nellery> mrooney, create a bug watch on the LP bug
[22:34] <nellery> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches
[22:34] <mrooney> nellery: I was referring to the other way
[22:34] <nellery> mrooney, ah
[22:35] <nellery> I'm unaware if that's possible
[22:35] <mrooney> nellery: do you know if there is some syntax to use that it will parse into a link, or anything?
[22:35] <nellery> mrooney, don't think so
[22:35] <mrooney> okay so I can just say like "forwarded from Ubuntu bug #xxxxx"?
[22:36] <nellery> yes, that's what I generally do
[22:36] <nellery> mrooney, here's the documentated info
[22:36] <nellery> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME
[22:41] <mrooney> nellery: thanks!
[22:42] <mrooney> would anyone mind seeing if my forwarding of bug 269901 seems okay, it is my first forward
[23:28] <hggdh> mrooney, you hust state something like "original Ubuntu bug: https://etc.etc/etc
[23:28] <hggdh> s/hust/just/
[23:30] <hggdh> mrooney, yes, it looks as a kosher forward
[23:30] <mrooney> hggdh: thanks :)


[09:44] <trijntje> Hi all, something strange seems to be up with Launchpad, it shows almost all strings for Dutch (and most other languages) as untranslated, while I know for sure that many are already translated for Dutch
[10:19] <jenkins> trijntje: are you looking at lucid-e1 or lucid-e2 translations? I think the focus was changed to the second edition (lucid-e2) the other day
[10:20] <trijntje> jenkins, looking at e1
[10:22] <jenkins> lucid-e1 was last changed 2 days ago apparently, what were you expecting it to say?
[10:24] <jenkins> as far as untranslated strings etc
[10:24] <trijntje> I dont have the exact numbers, but something like 60% was translated before, and only about 100 suggestions 2 days ago
[10:25] <trijntje> now its 70% untranslated and 787 new suggestions
[10:31] <jenkins> may be when it was changed from open to structured any translations that were made by people not in the translation team we changed to suggestions?
[10:33] <trijntje> maybe, I dont know much about LP. But that would make many people sad..
[10:33]  * trijntje feel guilty to all those people for asking it to be changed
[10:34] <jenkins> trijntje: it should have been structured some one had gone and changed it to open when it should not have been
[10:34] <jenkins> thats my only reasnable suggestion
[10:36] <trijntje> jenkins, Ok, if I know its not some LP error I'll go and review those suggestions, thanks for your time
[10:37] <jenkins> trijntje_away: no worries hopefully it will not take you long
[11:54] <trijntje_away> jenkins, Its a good thing anyway that all 'unauthorised' translations are reviews, so we'll just have to live with the extra work ;)
[11:54] <jenkins> :)
[12:13] <infosoft> Who could compile Ubuntu manual (lucid-e2 branch) with this Lithuanian translation file http://infosoft.lt/lt.po ? My "boss" is probably having holidays or something like that. I can't use Bazaar because of local proxy (Bazaar fails to download branches). To test if I there's no LaTex errors and etc. I need to see the PDF file. Please, help me :)
[12:13] <jenkins> infosoft: give me a minute and I will do it
[12:15] <trijntje_away> jenkins, Its a good thing anyway that all 'unauthorised' translations are reviews, so we'll just have to live with the extra work ;)
[12:16] <jenkins> trijntje_away: yea probably a good thing
[12:22] <jenkins> infosoft: it is not working I have a feeling kevin may not have set it all up in lucid-e2, but I am not sure
[12:23] <infosoft> builds.ubuntu-manual.org shows there's error with ch-licence or something like that (I don't know if it's e1 or e2 build).
[12:23] <jenkins> I think thats lucid-e1
[12:25] <jenkins> one error is butto has been used instead of button
[12:27] <jenkins> but I can't see it in launchpad
[12:29] <infosoft> I can't find it too. Did you really used http://infosoft.lt/lt.po file (maybe you tried original from the branch)?
[12:30] <jenkins> I think builds.ubuntu-manual.org may have not been updated, recently I don't think the new po file is there. I am about to try your files
[12:33] <jenkins> no build errors loads of font errors, I am uploading the pdf for you now. To me it does not look right but I don't speak the language
[12:33] <jenkins> http://ubuntuone.com/p/9zD/
[12:36] <infosoft> Yep, it's not right. The file uses UTF-8, but it seems browsers ignore that.
[12:37] <infosoft> When I enter the file address, the browser loads file content incorrectly (symbols like ą, č, ę, ė, į, ... are "damaged")
[12:40] <infosoft> In that case one of the options is to download it manually from Launchpad: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/lt/+export
[12:40] <jenkins> I think we need to specify a font that works for your language
[12:41] <infosoft> But some symbols were shown wrong not because of the font (at least I think so)
[12:42] <jenkins> I need to run some errands be back in a bit
[12:43] <infosoft> ė is shown as Ä—
[12:43] <infosoft>  when trying to use ASCII instead of UTF-8.
[12:46] <infosoft> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52158924/po_ubuntu-manual-lt.po
[12:46] <infosoft> Maybe there's something bad in hosting server which is used for my website.
[12:53] <infosoft> Now I get it! There wasn't set MIME Type for po files, so browser thought it's plain text file with standard ASCII coding. It seems that because of that you've downloaded "damaged" po file. Now I've fixed that problem, but you can use the link given above.
[12:56] <infosoft> Damn, it's hard to be the only person translating the manual (almost all translators ran away after showing lucid-e2). Now it's me and 2 friends (and they both are having holidays :) ).
[12:57] <infosoft> jenkins: ping (don't worry about font, everything is explained above).
[13:06] <jenkins> infosoft: I have used the new file and there is sitll some font errors but no as many, there are some latex errors which I am trying to work out now
[13:08] <infosoft> 1-355 entries shouldn't have Latex errors. I haven't checked yet another entries and that's why there probably are lots of errors.
[13:11] <jenkins> there is only 4 errors as far as I can tell
[13:12] <jenkins> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/lt/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=\meniu{ should be menu not meniu
[13:13] <jenkins> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/lt/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=\windows{ \windows should be \window
[13:14] <jenkins> that may be it
[13:14] <infosoft> Yes
[13:14] <infosoft> Probably I should sleep more (5 hours aren't enoug) :D
[13:16] <jenkins> no worries, the are small errors its fine :)
[13:16] <infosoft> *enough
[16:36] <daker> godbyk, ping
[16:38] <godbyk> daker: pong
[16:39] <daker> can you sync the website
[16:39] <daker> ?
[16:39] <godbyk> sure.
[16:39] <daker> infosoft, want to see his translations
[16:39] <godbyk> it's not auto-syncing?
[16:39] <daker> no
[16:40] <godbyk> weird.
[16:40] <godbyk> okay, let me look
[16:40] <daker> ah i don't know if it's auto syncing or not
[16:40] <godbyk> Okay, I've run 'bzr pull'.
[16:41] <godbyk> didn't find anything new.
[16:41] <infosoft> I want to see lucid-e2 :) (lucid-e1 is "stopped")
[16:41] <daker> godbyk, so it's synced or not ?
[16:43] <godbyk> daker: it should be synced.. it's at revision number 89 right now.
[16:43] <daker> oki thanks
[16:44] <godbyk> it's using the trunk branch. is that the one it should be using?
[16:44] <godbyk> infosoft: the lucid-e1 and lucid-e2 branches are for the manual. are you referring to the PDFs or something else?
[16:45] <daker> godbyk, yes
[16:45] <infosoft> I want to see Lithuanian PDF from lucid-e2 branch. http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org contains 2010-07-15 translations (I've changed much...)
[16:45] <infosoft> much since that day
[16:47] <godbyk> infosoft: ah, there are no translations for the lucid-e2 branch yet, sorry.
[16:47] <godbyk> Translations should be applied to the lucid-e1 branch.
[16:48] <infosoft> Ech... There's much LaTex errors in e1 (other translators don't know enough about LaTex). I was working on e2
[16:49] <godbyk> infosoft: Ah, well, e2 is in flux right now. We're fixing bugs in it, so some of your translations may need to be retranslated (as we change the original text).
[16:49] <godbyk> Also, the translations that are listed for e2 are probably not up to date.
[16:54] <infosoft> Oh, it's clear now. However I won't work with e1 translations (I'm the only one active left; there's also 2 my friends, but they are on holidays...), because it would mean I had to translate almost everything from zero (there's too much style errors, others didn't understand the use of \gls, ...).
[16:55] <godbyk> infosoft: I understand.  I think the deadline for the second edition being finalized and released is 29 July.  So you shouldn't have to wait much longer.
[16:56] <infosoft> I don't think there will be much changes.
[16:57] <godbyk> infosoft: There will be quite a few between e1 and e2, actually, because I've rearranged the margin notes (which means that launchpad will see those paragraphs as completely different).
[16:58] <infosoft> Thanks for notification.
[16:58] <godbyk> No problem. I just want to make sure you're not wasting your effort at the moment. :)
[16:59] <godbyk> I'll be back in a bit. I'm going to grab some lunch.
[17:01] <infosoft> Rearranging isn't bad. I will have older translations file so I'll need only to copy them into new places and maybe modify some of them.
[17:43] <veetmo> hello everyone
[17:43] <veetmo> i have a question regarding the quickshot domain
[17:43] <infosoft> Hi, veetmo :)
[17:44] <veetmo> who should i contact about this issue
[17:44] <veetmo> i was in contact with benjamin
[17:45] <veetmo> he sent me an email 3 days ago, i just saw it now
[17:58] <godbyk> veetmo: What's the issue?  (I'm out of the loop, I think.)
[18:48] <doctormo> thorwil: My friend was asking why it's not possible to put the ubuntu manual on the desktop when netbook-launcher is in use, I tried to explain that you can't see files on nbl but he didn't understand. Is there any plan to have a .desktop file for the manual?
[18:50] <thorwil> doctormo: nbl? i'm not aware of such a plan. afaik there's a put-nothing-on-the-desktop rule to avoid clutter?
[18:51] <godbyk> doctormo: I suppose if we have a package for the manual, there will be a .desktop file, too.
[18:51] <godbyk> At the moment, the only way to get the manual is to download the pdf itself.
[18:52] <doctormo> godbyk: Yes, this was just a problem on a machine I installed with the netbook launcher and wanted the manual there visible.
[18:52] <doctormo> I used evence -f /usr/local/ubuntu-manual/desktop-1004.pdf
[18:54] <doctormo> evince*
[18:58]  * thorwil jumps on his bicycle to ride into the sunset
[22:41] <daker> godbyk, i am trying to find Arabic translators, so i am going to create a team in lp
[22:45] <infosoft> godbyk isn't here :)
[23:29] <daker> how can to add a team so it can manage a specific translation ?


[02:08] <vauge> hello
[02:08] <LaserJock> hi
[02:09] <vauge> have a quick question about edubuntu
[02:10] <vauge> I did a 8.10 normal install with all updates... then ran apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[02:10] <vauge> there is no session login for edubuntu, should there be?
[02:11] <LaserJock> no
[02:11] <LaserJock> Edubuntu just gives you educational apps on top of Ubuntu
[02:12] <vauge> ok. there is now a kde selection, but it gives errors when attempting to login using it
[02:12] <LaserJock> hmm, odd
[02:12] <LaserJock> did you install edubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop-kde?
[02:13] <vauge> just edubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <LaserJock> I wouldn't have thought that the KDE Edu components would have gotten you a KDE session
[02:13] <LaserJock> don't worry about the KDE session then
[02:13] <vauge> kk :)
[02:13] <LaserJock> it apparently is just because we install KDE Edu parts
[02:13] <LaserJock> it's no the full KDE desktop
[02:13] <LaserJock> which is why it gave errors
[02:14] <vauge> that makes sense
[02:14] <LaserJock> vauge: thanks for bringing that up though, we should look into that, I can imagine it would be a bit confusing
[02:15] <vauge> it feels to work ok in gnome, but the session selection confused me a bit.
[02:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:15] <LaserJock> it's made for Gnome
[02:15] <LaserJock> even though there are some KDE Edu apps
[02:16] <LaserJock> they should still work fine in Gnome
[02:16] <vauge> all good. I use Amarok (don't tell anyone)
[02:16]  * LaserJock promises not to ;-)
[02:17] <vauge> heh, dansguardian... I can't seem to find it again in the wiki, but is there something unique about edubuntu and dan's?
[02:18] <LaserJock> no, if it worked with Ubuntu it should work with Edubuntu
[02:18] <vauge> awesome - thank you
[02:18] <LaserJock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers/DansGuardian perhaps?
[02:19] <vauge> got that one, was about to roll with it. But found another on edubuntu specific wiki
[02:20] <vauge> can't seem to find it again
[02:24] <vauge> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuProxy
[02:25] <LaserJock> weird, I don't know why that page is there
[02:31] <vauge> LaserJock, thank you much for your time
[02:32] <LaserJock> vauge: no problem, thanks for dropping by
[12:11]  * anom1 has deployed a Rover to try to find water (and life) in this channel.
[17:20] <rxKaffee> hi guys
[17:20] <rxKaffee> anyone know of some applications/games that would be age-appropriate for a 2yo?
[17:20] <rxKaffee> he loves to get at my keyboard, but it seems always when I do not need any extra keys pressed! lol
[17:20] <rxKaffee> so I figured I'd setup a secondary box for my son to play on while I'm working at my desktop
[18:01] <merriam> rxKaffee: Tux Paint
[18:01] <merriam> sudo apt-get install tuxpaint
[18:01] <merriam> and other packages under "junior"
[19:38] <rxKaffee> merriam: I think anything requiring much mouse, or any mouse with clicking, is a bit too advanced at this point
[19:39] <merriam> Yes, it's difficult, but it may be worth a try.
[19:40] <rxKaffee> maybe I can find one of those old ball-mice that used to be popular, trackball or whatever
[19:40] <merriam> You can get a new trackball.  They're still popular.  I'm using one.
[19:41] <rxKaffee> merriam: the ones with the stationary base, and the big ball sticking up out of the top?
[19:41] <merriam> Small ones are popular anyway, from Logitech.  You can still get new big ones too.
[19:41] <rxKaffee> well I'll be darn, I haven't seen any of those in years
[19:43] <merriam> http://cil614.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kensington_trackball.jpg
[19:43] <rxKaffee> nifty
[19:43] <rxKaffee> looks fairly simple to take apart too
[19:47] <merriam> a bit smaller and optical, still available new:  http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143730  Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball - USB/PS2  £17.46inc vat
[19:50] <rxKaffee> hmm, seems to be a UK-only model number
[19:51] <rxKaffee> a very similar one(by the same name) is avail here though
[19:51] <rxKaffee> wonder why they'd have e seperate model number for europe
[19:53] <merriam> yes, and the larger one, on amazon, U.S.  Amazon.com: Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball Mouse 64327: Electronics
[19:53] <merriam> http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Optical-Trackball-64327/dp/B00006W2QD/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236541914&sr=8-1
[19:53] <merriam> Amazon.com: Kensington Expert Mouse Optical USB Trackball for PC or Mac 64325: Electronics
[19:53] <merriam> http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Optical-Trackball/dp/B00009KH63/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236541914&sr=8-2
[19:53] <rxKaffee> merriam: any idea the size of the clickbuttons on that orbit? I'm thinking just slightly larger than a standard mouse's?
[19:54] <merriam> I don't know the two-button ones, but there are scale cues in the pictures on that amazon page.
[19:54] <merriam> http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00006W2QD/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0
[19:55] <merriam> I have the big square one, and about 4 of the Logitech ones with the red thumb ball -- that's what I use.
[19:57] <merriam> TrackMan Wheel -- less suitable for a toddler, but more generally useful
[19:58] <rxKaffee> wheeeew! that expertmouse is a pricey buggar!
[19:58] <rxKaffee> well, not so much the one you linked me on amazon, but some of the other expermouse models that I'm seeing around, almust a hundred bucks
[19:59] <merriam> Yes, and it uses a lot of space too.  The Orbit will do.
[19:59] <rxKaffee> I'm guessing kensington make pretty good quality components eh?
[19:59] <rxKaffee> 'cause its gonna see a bit of abuse lol
[20:00] <merriam> The one I have wasn't built as well as I expected.  It hasn't broken, but it hasn't had much testing.
[20:01] <merriam> It's mechanical.  The optical type is generally worth the money.
[20:02] <merriam> I think Kensington stuff used to be sturdy and reliable, but maybe not any more.
[20:03] <rxKaffee> I was kinda hopeing to find a mechanical actually... I suspect he'll pop the ball off and realise playing with the light is more fun than using it to control the PC lol
[20:04] <merriam> Optical is more robust, and the old type is very annoying when it slips.
[20:06] <merriam> Until recently Kensington made a nice black usb keyboard with a standard layout, but I've worn out 3 of them.
[20:06] <merriam>  I'm back to a clicky IBM that says 1985 on the bottom.
[20:09] <merriam> The light on the Logitechs is invisble -- IR.  I have a Marble too.  I don't know about the others.
[20:11] <merriam> In my experience all the designs with central balls are very inefficient for general use.
[20:12] <rxKaffee> I looked at a couple of the logitech marbles, but they didn't really strike me as particularly toddler friendly for some indescribable reason
[20:12] <rxKaffee> I'm with ya on likeing those IBM clickers, with the modular cord design
[20:15] <merriam> Yes, the Marble is a bit small, and you can easily press buttons on it by mistake.
[20:16] <merriam> It's not so much that I like buckling springs.  Sometimes I want a quieter keyboard.  It's mainly that it still works perfectly.
[20:24] <rxKaffee> I like 'em cause of the positive-engagement of the keys
[20:24] <rxKaffee> which to me, makes the noise tolerable
[20:24] <rxKaffee> however, I've recently "upgraded" to an ergonomic keyboard
[20:24] <rxKaffee> microsoft natural ergonomic 4000
[20:25] <rxKaffee> I'd venture to say that next to Xenix, its the second best product MS has ever made lol
[20:25] <rxKaffee> its got the nice positive feel to the keys like an IBM, a more managable noise level, and some cool "extra" buttons that come in handy sometime
[20:25] <rxKaffee> haven't had it long enough though to know if it'll stand to the test of time


[04:56] <pitti> GOod morning
[04:59] <Mirv> morning pitti
[04:59] <pitti> hey Mirv, how are you?
[04:59] <pitti> Mirv: bring 'em on!
[05:00] <Mirv> pitti: fine, and haha, you guessed :)
[05:01] <Mirv> pitti: lcov being dropped from dbus-cpp, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061394/ , hud starting to use libnih (plus making a whitespace change as well it seems) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061397/
[05:01] <Mirv> pitti: and autopilot adding explicit dependeny on libautopilot-qt http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061398/
[05:03] <pitti> Mirv: dbus-cpp +1
[05:03] <pitti> Mirv: hud +1
[05:04] <pitti> Mirv: I don't quite understand the autopilot change, as apt installs recommends by default; though we might have disabled that on touch (that's going to cause a lot of bugs)
[05:04] <pitti> Mirv: anyway, autopilot +1
[05:05] <Mirv> pitti: I think it really might be disabled (a vague memory), but not sure
[05:05] <Mirv> thank you * 3
[05:06] <pitti> yw :)
[05:06] <pitti> Mirv: at that rate, didrocks is going to have to learn how to mix cocktails all day when he returns!
[05:07] <Mirv> pitti: I'm sure he has been practicing that on the beach :)
[05:36] <Mirv> pitti: one more, adding of gsettings-qt usage to unity8 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6061448/ both seem to be in universe
[05:37] <Mirv> all of it comes from the changelog entry "load launcher default config from existing dconf key."
[05:37] <pitti> Mirv: c'est d'accord, unity8 itself is a long way before it goes to main, right?
[05:37] <pitti> Mirv: +1
[05:38] <Mirv> pitti: well... I guess it's one of those that should be in main since we're doing an official Touch release
[05:39] <pitti> Mirv: oh hang on, NACK
[05:39] <pitti> Mirv: that package isn't in Ubuntu
[05:39] <pitti> sorry
[05:40] <pitti> Mirv: ah no, this was just me completely clearing my apt cache for testing an apport bug
[05:40] <pitti> Mirv: so, +1 again, sorry for confusion
[05:40] <Mirv> pitti: no worry :)
[05:41] <Mirv> the PPA's should only contain some demo assets as of this week if I recall correctly
[05:41] <Mirv> although the final cleaning of removal of references to PPAs is still ahead
[05:42] <Mirv> oh, actually it seems yesterday 95% of the PPA hooks were removed from the daily release system, but there are still some enabled on the images
[06:47] <jibel> Good morning
[07:28] <jibel> Mirv, sil2100 good morning, mirslave tests were misbehaving, trapped in a "move pointer" loop.
[07:28] <jibel> I took this screenshot http://ubuntuone.com/5wRCBh6DdONmManPYMyf6J
[07:30] <Mirv> jibel: ok, cool, maybe attach it to bug #1219636 which is about that?
[07:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1219636 in Unity "unity autopilot tests fails to move mouse, leading to infinite test run" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1219636
[07:30] <Mirv> I aborted the unity check run earlier today so that I could get other stacks finished (which they did)
[07:30] <Mirv> in the previous tick a few hours ago
[07:33] <jibel> Mirv, done
[07:54] <sil2100> veebers, thomi: any of you still around?
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:02] <Laney> sil2100: that seems to have gone away
[08:02] <sil2100> Morning
[08:03] <sil2100> Too bad, guess I'll poke them by e-mail
[08:03] <Laney> I meant the link you showed me
[08:04] <Laney> maybe someone else reviewed it
[08:05] <bkerensa> Doc Team needs a new feature list before freeze from desktop team if possible
[08:05] <bkerensa> :)
[08:06] <sil2100> Laney: ah! Yeah ;)
[08:31] <veebers> sil2100: I'm just making/having tea but will be around in a bit
[08:54] <Mirv> jibel/sil2100: <IP_ADDRESS> down for you too?
[08:54] <jibel> Mirv, no, I'm sending a notification to our internal ML
[08:55] <jibel> Mirv, I mean it is down
[08:55] <Mirv> jibel: thanks..
[08:56] <sil2100> Indeed...
[08:56] <sil2100> veebers: hi!
[08:57] <veebers> sil2100: hey, just bouncing back and forward while things are cooking :-)
[08:57] <sil2100> veebers: since there is this bug we've encountered, it would be nice to have soem AP expert looking at it:
[08:57] <sil2100> veebers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1219636
[08:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1219636 in Unity "unity autopilot tests fails to move mouse, leading to infinite test run" [Critical,Triaged]
[08:57] <sil2100> veebers: it seems to happen for unity8 tests as well
[09:00] <veebers> sil2100: hmm, ok (good to see a screen shot of it happening)
[09:00] <veebers> sil2100:  there is this: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/catch_infinite_mouse_move/+merge/183792 and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1220494
[09:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220494 in Autopilot "[FFe]: Add check so we can determine if the Mouse is caught in an endless loop." [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <veebers> that will help but not solve the issue
[09:01] <veebers> the reasoning is, it detects these infinite mouse move loops and raises an exception (failing the test)
[09:02] <sil2100> veebers: oh!
[09:03] <sil2100> veebers: excellent to see that you guys are already on it, at least such a mechanism would help out in not blocking the whole stack until the jenkins timeout
[09:04] <sil2100> veebers: so it's still good! I wonder though why those infinite loops happen now, since in the past we didn't have those
[09:06] <mlankhorst> hm unity is going to be fun to backport to saucy
[09:06] <mlankhorst> saucy's xserver in precise*
[09:10] <Mirv> well, good that I had a good 2am UTC daily-release tick
[09:11] <Mirv> everything but unity and webapps got released
[09:11] <sil2100> Mirv: \o/
[09:11] <sil2100> Mirv: excellent! Actually, yesterday at the evening tick we also had that too, everything besides webapps and unity
[09:12] <Mirv> sil2100: and yesterday earlier we had unity too (and it's not in such rapid development as others) so it's mostly webapps that's hurting a bit for now
[09:13] <Mirv> and the webapps has the unfixed blocker bug
[09:13] <Mirv> so assuming we'll get back online later today, no big harm done
[09:14] <sil2100> Mirv: I think we'll have to re-ping the webapps guys to fix that bug finally
[09:14] <Mirv> 10+ packages got released in the morning
[09:15] <Mirv> sil2100: re-pinging would be needed probably as it hasn't been touched by them like triaging
[09:15] <sil2100> Mirv: I shall do dat then ;)
[09:16] <Mirv> ok :)
[09:29]  * Laney prods sil2100 and others
[09:29] <Laney> Can we try and be a bit more verbose in package descriptions?
[09:29] <Laney> I attempted to find out what mediascanner was and came away from apt-cache show no more enlightened
[09:34] <sil2100> Laney: that's a fair point, I blame it on the pre-FF where I didn't have time to settle with the upstream guys on more verbose descriptions
[09:43] <veebers> sil2100: yeah I'm not sure either why it's just happening now. I'll try take a look in my am.
[09:43] <veebers> sil2100: another thing, re: that MR and FFe bug that I linked you. What else do I need to do now to try get it actioned?
[09:47] <sil2100> veebers: could you remind me with a bug number? ;)
[09:49] <mlankhorst> Laney: it's a package providing media scanner binaries, this is required to run mediascanner
[09:49]  * mlankhorst ducks
[09:49] <sil2100> ;)
[09:50] <Laney> mlankhorst: did you read it?
[09:50] <Laney> it actually says something like that
[09:50] <mlankhorst> yeah :p
[09:50] <jibel> Oh, and the launchpad page is much more informative
[09:50] <Laney> the one that says it used to be called Hollywood?
[09:50] <jibel> yes
[09:50] <mlankhorst> haha
[09:51] <Laney> I enjoyed that one
[09:51] <Laney> "Description: This is Free Software. If you want to know what it does, just read the code."
[09:53] <mlankhorst> I'm guessing it's a canonical equivalent to
[09:53] <mlankhorst> erm whatever the thing kde had that was causing excessive disk seeks
[09:53] <jibel> ahah, the code is even better http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mediascanner-team/mediascanner/trunk/view/head:/README.md#L3
[09:54] <mlankhorst> that should have been part of the binary! :D
[09:54] <Laney> hahaha
[09:54] <mlankhorst> or at least part of the package description
[09:54] <Laney> I almost feel like someone doesn't want you to know what it does
[09:55] <mlankhorst> oh right, nepomuk
[10:16] <pitti> oh, no seb today? did the French revolution break out again or so?
[10:16]  * pitti looks for someone to bribe to binNEW my shiny new python3-xlib package
[10:17] <jibel> pitti, he took a day off to enjoy the sun
[10:26] <davmor2> pitti: I'll tell you the ISP's have gone on strike, it's a french thing ;)
[10:30] <jibel> chrisccoulson, I tested in the lab, and I confirm that firefox testsuite runs if libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. Adding it to the dependencies of firefox-testsuite would be a solution.
[10:30] <davmor2> hey guys when did the default behaviour for power button press become instant switch off?  If you let the system in saucy sleep and lock and hit the power button it switches off with no prompts
[10:31] <darkxst> Laney, Hi
[10:32] <darkxst> just to be clear the remaining issues are with g-c-c not g-s-d!
[10:33] <Laney> I thought they were in unity
[10:33] <Laney> but ok
[10:34] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, hi
[10:35] <mlankhorst> hey
[10:36] <darkxst> Laney, basically whatever is listed here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-gnome-3-8 (except ibus stuff which is fixed)
[10:37] <Laney> darkxst: I can make g-c-c segfault if I randomly click on panels for a minute or so
[10:37] <Laney> no debug symbols though :<
[10:38] <darkxst> Laney, that is not much use ;)
[10:38] <Laney> yeah
[10:38] <Laney> can you get them enabled for your ppa?
[10:39] <darkxst> Laney, try gnome3 ppa
[10:39] <Laney> has the same versions?
[10:41] <darkxst> Laney, oh g-c-c has been outdated!
[10:41] <darkxst> by the archive version
[10:41] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I cannot start XMir any more, it worked for long time as described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Installing, the I deactivated it for some time (section: Removing unity-system-compositor, temporarily) for testing stuff in tablet mode, and now I activated it again and X starts, but in classic mode.
[10:42] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, there is no unity-system-compositor process and in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log I get
[10:42] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, ** (lightdm:2075): WARNING **: Error executing child process unity-system-compositor.sleep: No such file or directory
[10:42] <Laney> darkxst: I still have your one
[10:42] <Laney> unless you mean in the gnome3 ppa
[10:42] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: remove the line saying unity-system-compositor.sleep from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-*
[10:43] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have switched to saucy-proposed, as on saucy release I only got a black screen witrh mouse pointer with XMir.
[10:45] <darkxst> Laney, yes only gnome3 ppa is outdated, but copied over so give it a bit to build
[10:45] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have tried this now but I get in /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log
[10:45] <Laney> I could just do a build myself to get symbols
[10:45] <tkamppeter> ** (lightdm:2079): WARNING **: Error executing child process unity-system-compositor: No such file or directory
[10:46] <tkamppeter> Seems that the update has kicked out an important package
[10:46] <mlankhorst> proposed may not work.. else the package wouldnt be in proposed
[10:46] <mlankhorst> and I'm not going to track why mir doesn't work in proposed, probably incompatible versions
[10:47] <Laney> it appears to be involved in some kind of transition
[10:47] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, how do I return to normal?
[10:47] <Laney> I wouldn't be surprised if that made packages get removed
[10:47] <Laney> Don't use proposed, kids.
[10:48] <davmor2> pitti: do you know who would be best to grill about this power button issue I have in saucy?
[10:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, mlankhorst, Laney, I have switched to saucy-proposed, how do I downgrade again to get to working MIR?
[10:51] <mlankhorst> no idea, you're on your own :-)
[10:51] <Laney> Find the packages that you upgraded/removed and downgrade them to saucy again
[10:51] <Laney> /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:55] <tkamppeter> Laney, mlankhorst, probably better forget about MIR for the next few weeks until fixed packages come and get passed from -proposed to release superceding the broken packages.
[10:55] <tkamppeter> Normal X is still working.
[10:55] <Laney> darkxst: Looks like your package doesn't have all the latest archive changes?
[10:56] <veebers> sil2100: sure, sorry for delay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1220494 (this is re: FFe for autopilot
[10:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220494 in Autopilot "[FFe]: Add check so we can determine if the Mouse is caught in an endless loop." [Undecided,New]
[10:56] <veebers> )
[11:02] <sil2100> veebers: thanks! I'll modify it a bit and push it to the release team
[11:05] <pitti> davmor2: "this power button issue" sounds a bit vague
[11:05] <davmor2> pitti: hey guys when did the default behaviour for power button press become instant switch off?  If you let the system in saucy sleep and lock and hit the power button it switches off with no prompts
[11:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: what Laney said with dpkg.log, or use apt pinning to give priority 1001 to saucy packages
[11:05] <pitti> davmor2: it's a bug, gnome-session should inhibit logind
[11:06] <davmor2> pitti: ah cool so it's a known issue then
[11:06] <Laney> it's even filed
[11:06] <davmor2> Laney: woohoo
[11:07] <veebers> sil2100: awesome thanks. I'll see what you modify it to so I do it better next time ;-)
[11:11] <pitti> davmor2: bug 1201180
[11:11] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201180 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201180
[11:12] <pitti> tkamppeter: btw, who told you to upgrade to -proposed? we need to fix any documentation which says so, and spread the word; using saucy-proposed without quadruple-checking and installing only single packages is ALWAYS wrong, as it's "broken packages" by definition
[11:14] <davmor2> pitti: thanks I was just looking for it :)
[11:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, I wanted to try MIR again, got a black screen and then I activated -proposed in the hope to get a newer version which is held back due to beta1. Now I have de-activated -proposed again so sooner or later the broken MIR packages should get superceded.
[11:43] <darkxst> Laney, g-s-d does, g-c-c just needs a quick rebase
[12:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks for the hint with the pinning, "apt-get dist-UPgrade" is DOWNgrading 127 packages now ...
[12:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, all back working. thanks.
[12:22] <pitti> tkamppeter: nice!
[12:42] <pitti> what is the program du jour to record a simple video (for youtube, etc.)?
[12:42] <pitti> (from webcam and line in)
[12:50] <jibel> pitti, I used guvcview a couple of times to record videos from webcam with audio. It worked fine for my very basic usage
[12:59] <pitti> jibel: that looks easy enough, thanks
[13:00] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have serious multi-screen problems with the XMIR as of saucy release (not -proposed) should I report a bug or are there already fixes in the queue for which I should wait?
[13:02] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: ask in #ubuntu-mir, and please don't caps mir
[13:43] <sil2100> Ok, need to change locations, be back in an hour
[13:50] <mlankhorst> hm bschaefer wrote the support for new pointer barriers right?
[15:38] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine: I started all the stacks manually (besides unity, as we don't want that released too frequently anyway)
[16:51] <cyphermox> sil2100: ack
[20:30] <cyphermox> kenvandine: hey. I'll publish click.
[20:33] <kenvandine> cyphermox, ok, i have a manual run for phablet-tools, i'll publish that one
[20:33] <cyphermox> ack
[20:53] <kenvandine> tedg, should upstart-app-launch work on the phone yet?
[20:54] <kenvandine> tedg, more specifically, should upstart_app_launch_start_application
[20:55] <tedg> kenvandine, Yes, it should.
[20:55] <tedg> kenvandine, You can grab the tools and use upstart-app-launch the command line version to test.
[20:55] <kenvandine> i did... it didn't work :)
[20:55] <kenvandine> we have a branch for content-hub that uses that
[20:55] <kenvandine> and it works on the desktop
[20:56] <tedg> kenvandine, Do you have any apps installed?  ;-)
[20:56] <kenvandine> haha
[20:56] <tedg> kenvandine, I think that sometimes they don't open in the foreground
[20:56] <kenvandine> phablet   6687 90.5  0.6  18432 11736 ?        R    20:56   0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/click pkgdir gallery-app
[20:56] <kenvandine> weird
[20:56] <kenvandine> that is right after running it for gallery-app
[20:57] <tedg> Hmm, yeah, just worked for me.
[20:57] <kenvandine> that click command runs for a couple seconds then nothing
[20:57] <kenvandine> :/
[20:58] <kenvandine> KeyError: 'gallery-app does not exist in any database for user phablet'
[20:58] <tedg> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6064124/
[21:01] <kenvandine> tedg, any suggestions on how i can get debugging info?
[21:02] <tedg> kenvandine, I'm upgrading my phone... perhaps a new version of click?
[21:02] <tedg> kenvandine, ~/.cache/upstart/application.log should say something...
[21:03] <kenvandine> all errors from click
[21:03] <kenvandine>   Candidate: 0.4.3
[21:03] <kenvandine> is the version i have
[21:03]  * kenvandine checks for updates
[21:03] <tedg> Yeah, looks like updating my click broke things.
[21:07] <kenvandine> yay
[21:07] <kenvandine> downgrading to 0.3.4 works
[21:07]  * kenvandine does a little dance
[21:08] <tedg> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/click-error-handling/+merge/183982
[21:09] <kenvandine> cool
[21:10] <kenvandine> i'm looking forward to landing this in content-hub :)
[21:12] <tedg> kenvandine, Does it work for you?  Review!  Review!  So it can land in the next update (40min)  :-)
[21:12] <kenvandine> i'll test it
[21:17] <kenvandine> tedg, worked!
[21:17]  * kenvandine ack'd it
[21:22] <tedg> \o/