[00:00] <highvoltage> YokoZar: ah ok. would nice to have it up somewhere, at least the relevant parts
[00:15] <YokoZar> mhall119: San Francisco
[00:16] <mhall119> ah, so you'll be on with pleia2
[00:16] <YokoZar> I'll be in the audience asking questions actually
[00:16] <mhall119> oh, ok
[00:17] <mhall119> I think she'll be in the "Voice Box" or whatever it's called
[00:17] <YokoZar> Right that's the audience question part
[00:17] <mhall119> I hope it'll be online somewhere so the rest of us can watch it, and hopefully the non-technie anchors don't get too confused
[00:17] <YokoZar> Yeah
[00:31] <pleia2> and hopefully we'll actually get to talk, I watched an episode of the show earlier this week and the audience just got to vote and cheer
[00:31] <pleia2> it was a bit underwhelming
[00:31] <mhall119> :(
[00:31] <mhall119> take over the show
[00:31] <pleia2> hehe
[02:23] <lgcovizzi> please, i need help with g77!
[02:24] <lgcovizzi> how can i install the fortran 77, on ubuntu 10.10
[02:24] <lgcovizzi> ?
[02:40] <highvoltage> with patience
[18:44] <mhall119> highvoltage: ping
[18:49] <mhall119> highvoltage: I pushed a new version of xdg-launcher to revu
[19:41] <highvoltage> mhall119: ah ok, no need to though, it's already in the NEW queue
[19:42] <highvoltage> mhall119: and we just need one of two people to wake up and give you a +1 on that edubuntu-dev app then you could upload changes directly
[19:42] <highvoltage> (well once it's in the package set, etc)
[20:30] <mhall119> highvoltage: okay, you'll have to show me how to do that once I'm approved


[05:41] <bduk1> More almal
[06:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:18] <Squirm> morning
[06:18] <Kilos> hi Squirm  and others
[06:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  inetpro  nuvolari
[06:20] <Kilos> Spekko  sakhi  as well are included in others hey
[06:20] <Kilos> and tinuva  too
[06:26] <Kilos> hi bduk1  waar is die mazal karakter
[06:26] <Squirm> does anyone know of any good series?
[06:26] <Kilos> daai ding
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: Brooklyn Nine-Nine is one of the funnier newish sitcoms
[06:30] <Kilos> you want to download series
[06:30] <Kilos> under the dome isnt bad
[06:34] <Squirm> Kilos: I'm following it
[06:34] <Squirm> kind of getting over it though
[06:34] <Squirm> and the acting has finally started to get to me
[06:34] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: will have a look
[06:34] <Kilos> lol yeah
[06:34] <Squirm> busy watching Crisis - It's quite good, just only 3/4 of a season and it's cancelled :/
[06:35] <Kilos> eish
[06:35] <Squirm> TBBT starts next week :D
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have developed the habit of holding off on new stuff until i know it at least got a second season
[06:35] <Kilos> i only see whats on our idiot boxes
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> still a bit angry over flashforward being cancelled :-/
[06:36] <Squirm> :P
[06:36] <Squirm> I watched a few episodes
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh and terranova as well
[06:37] <Squirm> Love Bites was good - but only had one season
[06:37] <Squirm> I've heard of it, haven't seen it
[06:37] <Squirm> I want them to bring back Leverage :/
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> terra nova was about Earth around 150 years from now, bad air quality and overpopulation & how they discovered a hole in spacetime & found that it lead to 85 million years in the past, so they started sending selected people back to establish colonies
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> build things in a sustainable way, with all sorts of future technology
[06:41] <Kilos> sounds good
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> and how human nature threatened to screw it all up despite the best intentions starting out
[06:41] <Kilos> lol as usual
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think it was too expensive, the special effects were pretty awesome
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i didn't finish season 1, i found out half way through it got cancelled
[06:42] <Kilos> eeish
[06:42] <Kilos> thats like reading a good book and finding the last ten pages are missing
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> get to the end of chapter 1 and the author says "naaah, don't feel like writing any more"
[06:46] <Kilos> lol
[06:51] <Kilos> i go take sheep out
[07:29] <Squirm> it's Friday!
[07:29] <Squirm> finally :/
[07:44] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:04]  * Kilos goes to unity
[08:23] <Kilos> 3g rocking again today
[08:23] <Kilos> Fetched 30,8 MB in 45s (676 kB/s)
[09:48] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:48] <Kilos> morning inetpro all well there?
[09:49] <inetpro> Kilos: happy the weekend is coming
[09:49] <Kilos> lol then you need next week to rest again man
[09:49] <inetpro> :-)
[10:31] <Squirm> hello
[10:31] <Squirm> I'm so happy it's Friday
[12:34] <Kilos> hmm... just watched need for speed 2014, not bad
[12:38] <Kilos> just realised the similarity between cars bikes and computers
[12:38] <Kilos> how fast do you want to spend?
[13:46] <Kilos> Maaz, seen vince0
[13:47] <Maaz> Kilos: vince0 was last seen 1 year, 4 months, 13 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes and 18 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-05-13 07:21:40 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-05-14 07:51:42 PDT
[13:47] <Kilos> ai!
[13:47] <StonedAlchemist> Maaz, seen StonedAlchemist
[13:47] <Maaz> StonedAlchemist: StonedAlchemist was last seen 4 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes and 14 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-09-15 02:27:40 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-09-19 04:21:25 PDT
[13:48] <StonedAlchemist> Lols
[13:48] <Kilos> haha hiya
[13:48] <Kilos> how can he have it wrong
[13:48] <StonedAlchemist> She's a tad slow.
[13:48] <Kilos> no its he
[13:48] <StonedAlchemist> Maaz is a girls name.
[13:48] <Kilos> Maaz, are you female
[13:48] <Maaz> Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot
[13:49] <Kilos> Maaz, seen StonedAlchemist
[13:49] <Maaz> Kilos: StonedAlchemist was last seen 21 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-09-19 06:48:47 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-09-19 04:21:25 PDT
[13:49] <Kilos> thats better
[13:49] <StonedAlchemist> Ohh
[13:49] <Kilos> Maaz, botsnack
[13:49] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[13:50] <StonedAlchemist> I've got allergies and my eyes are itchy.
[13:50] <StonedAlchemist> Why hath the almighty condemned me!
[13:58] <Kilos> what are you allergic to?
[13:59] <Kilos> you can get allergex pills from chemist without a script
[14:08] <Kilos> hey StonedAlchemist what are you allergic to
[14:09] <Kilos>  you can get allergex pills from chemist without a script
[14:10] <Kilos> bad allergy needs prednisone but script needed
[14:10] <StonedAlchemist> Cat's, pollen and grass. I'm on special medication. I can't take allergex.
[14:11] <StonedAlchemist> I'm also allergic to penecillin but that's a different type of allergy.
[14:11] <StonedAlchemist> penicillin*
[14:11] <StonedAlchemist> Also I have thin blood so I can't take asprin.
[14:11] <StonedAlchemist> too much asprin that is.
[14:12] <StonedAlchemist> Lol
[14:17] <Kilos> sjoe you are a prime candidate for cortisone
[14:28] <StonedAlchemist> My dad uses it. I haven't tried it.
[14:29] <Kilos> not healthy it being a steroid but a killer for allergies
[14:29] <Kilos> just get a few from your dad
[14:29] <StonedAlchemist> But isn't it a pain killer?
[14:29] <StonedAlchemist> I thought that's what it does
[14:30] <Kilos> nope it fightts allergies and inflamation and stuff like that
[14:31] <Kilos> also used when intibiotics dont do the job properly it make them more affective
[14:31] <Kilos> antibiotics
[14:32] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah I can't take many antibiotics because of penicillin
[14:32] <Kilos> but mainly imo it stops the symptoms not the cause
[14:32] <Kilos> you only use the oxytetracycline antis them
[14:32] <Kilos> mycins and so on
[14:33] <StonedAlchemist> I usually just take what the doctor tells me to
[14:34] <StonedAlchemist> I don't read labels lol
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:34] <Kilos> i dont trust docs too far
[14:35] <StonedAlchemist> Aren't you doctor, Kilos ?
[14:35] <Kilos> they put their kids through varsity on what they charge peeps for
[14:35] <Kilos> no but i learned a bit about meds especially for animal use
[14:36] <Kilos> and my sis studied a lots of alternative medication stuff
[14:37] <StonedAlchemist> I don't like medicin. I just try to live healthy.
[14:37] <StonedAlchemist> Pills are no health care, it's sick care.
[14:37] <StonedAlchemist> Vegetables are health care.
[14:37] <Kilos> i think onion and garlic are natural anti allergenic as well
[14:38] <Kilos> have you got place to do a bit of gardening?
[14:39] <Kilos> many herbs work well with many probs
[14:40] <Kilos> chopped raw onion on a sarmy is nice and healthy and if eaten regularly keeps colds and flu away
[14:40] <StonedAlchemist> Yeah especially stuff like tumeric and cayenne pepper
[14:40] <StonedAlchemist> Although I suppose those are spices, right?
[14:40] <Kilos> they still work
[14:40] <Kilos> very good to have always
[14:41] <Kilos> cayenne pepper cures ulsers
[14:42] <Kilos> leading triggers for cancer are red meat and sugar
[14:43] <Kilos> and i love red meat
[14:43] <Kilos> from raw mince to biltong
[14:44] <StonedAlchemist> I eat red meat much like a casual drinker only drinks at parties however I don't like chicken or mutton. I mainly stick with fish.
[14:44] <Kilos> fish is good
[14:45] <Kilos> nicest ive eaten is rock cod
[14:46] <StonedAlchemist> Oh yeah I love rock cod
[14:46] <StonedAlchemist> and braai'd tuna
[14:46] <Kilos> and smoked snoek
[14:47] <Kilos> yummy
[14:47] <Kilos> lekker to nibble while sitting at the pc
[14:48] <StonedAlchemist> Or even canned sardines on toast if you have nothing else lol
[14:48] <Kilos> yeah
[14:51] <Kilos> inetpro, go home already
[14:53] <StonedAlchemist> anyway I gotta go. Chat laters Kilos
[14:53] <Kilos> chow now
[16:48] <gremble> Curious question, no one is perhaps going from Pretoria West to SFD tomorrow?
[17:11] <Vince-0> Kilos: what's the vaab
[17:26] <Kilos> ohi Vince-0  sorry was eating
[17:33] <Kilos> hi gremble_
[17:37] <Kilos> think more positive
[17:37] <Kilos> i dont think ,any geek types stay this side of town though
[17:40] <Kilos> s/,any/many
[17:54] <Kilos> ohi who_da_fly
[17:54] <Kilos> inetpro  waar is jy toppie
[17:57] <inetpro> superfly: congrats!
[17:58] <superfly> thanks
[17:58] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[17:58] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[17:58] <Kilos> i even went to fb
[17:58] <Kilos> had to comment
[18:03] <gremble_> Hey Kilos
[18:03] <gremble_> Ya. I was just hoping to score a lift to SFD :P
[18:04] <Kilos> i guessed as much
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[01:47] <adam5isalive> Hey gents
[12:39] <arturs> artiiiii
[12:39] <arturs> nav
[13:42] <ubmt> why my ubuntu-mate can't update the new version firefox quantum?
[13:52] <diogenes_> ubmt, maybe because it's not officially released yet?
[14:10] <sixwheeledbeast> quantum is only the engine it's not a version as such. v57 should have been released but maybe not in the repos yet.
[18:20] <M1K4> When do ubuntu mate 17.10 get firefox 57 ?
[18:29] <M1K4> Or do i have to install a new ppa ?
[19:25] <ali1234> M1K4: there is a PPA if you want nightly
[19:26] <ali1234> but you probably don't
[19:26] <ali1234> !info firefox artful
[19:27] <M1K4> ali1234: i wana try the new 57
[19:28] <ali1234> well nightly PPA gets you 58 now
[19:28] <ali1234> 57 will come to the repos soon i think
[19:29] <M1K4> Yes, but 58 is dayly so not stable
[19:30] <M1K4> So i have to wait
[19:30] <ali1234> seems like it
[19:30] <M1K4> i wil look again in the weekend
[19:36] <M1K4> thx anyway
[19:38] <swift110> hey all
[21:15] <adam5isalive> Hey folks
[21:16] <adam5isalive> Hows the 4k scaling in the latest release? Anyone know?


[10:19] <[miles] > morning guys
[10:19] <[miles] > is anyone building their own packages?
[10:24] <shawarma> Sure
[10:25] <lionel> hi [miles]
[10:25] <ajmitch> packages of what?
[10:25] <[miles] > gentlemen
[10:26] <[miles] > well, building .deb's from source tarballs
[10:28] <[miles] > ajmitch: I used to package RPM's
[10:28] <[miles] > ajmitch: but not done .deb 's yet
[10:29] <[miles] > hi vpol
[10:29] <[miles] > and welcome
[10:29] <vpol> thnx.
[10:30] <ajmitch> ok, are you wanting information on debian packaging?
[10:31] <[miles] > ajmitch: well, just some tip's really as to the best methods
[10:31] <[miles] > ajmitch: I see there is a load of packages to assist
[10:32] <ajmitch> 20:32 <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a
[10:32] <ajmitch>               package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:32] <[miles] > ok thanks ajmitch
[10:32] <ajmitch> that, and the debian NM guide
[10:32] <ajmitch> and #ubuntu-motu
[10:33] <[miles] > ajmitch: you also do RPM's ?
[10:33] <[miles] > ajmitch: ie, can you say which is the easier to package... .deb or .rpm
[10:33] <[miles] > ah ok
[10:33] <[miles] > lol
[10:33] <ajmitch> I've only done debian packaging in that time
[10:40] <[miles] > vpol: your using server version yeah?
[10:40] <vpol> [miles] : yup. on many servers.
[10:45] <[miles] > vpol: which country u in?
[10:45] <vpol> [miles] : russia.
[10:48] <[miles] > ah jeje
[10:48] <[miles] > ok
[10:49] <[miles] > vpol: your nick is familar
[10:49] <[miles] > vpol: you doing something with jabber?
[10:49] <vpol> [miles] : messaging :)
[12:34] <[miles] > damn it, I hate Horde
[12:34] <[miles] > having to set it all up
[12:34] <[miles] > it's bloated to hell
[12:57] <dballester> hi to all
[12:58] <dballester> sorry for this nerd question but, anyone knows what password is generated by default for postgresql ( 8.1 )? or at least where i can get this info...
[01:01] <fabbione> dballester: ask pitti on irc
[01:01] <fabbione> he is the maintainer
[01:01] <dballester> thanks fabbione
[01:10] <dballester> fabbione, do you remember who is the mantainer for the bacula-postgresql packages ?
[01:10] <fabbione> dballester: dpkg -p $packagename
[01:11] <dballester> fabbione, good idea :) polite one
[01:11] <fabbione> :)
[01:13] <dballester> John Goerzen
[02:19] <knix_> Is it possible to upgrade Ubuntu server 6.06 to feisty?
[02:20] <knix_> If so, how?
[03:02] <mralphabet> knix_: 6.06 ---> 6.10 ---> 7.04
[03:12] <hirs> hello
[03:18] <knix_> mralphabet, just change the sources and update -dist accordingly?
[03:47] <mralphabet> knix_: http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-ubuntu-606-dapper-drake-to-ubuntu-10-edgy-eft.html
[03:52] <knix_> mralphabet, ty
[03:53] <knix_> mralphabet, will this break my server, if I go from dapper-edgy-feisty?
[03:55] <knix_> mralphabet, also that site is showing for a gui version.  My server is headless, so just edit the sources and so forth?
[03:55] <mralphabet> knix_: further down it lists cli instructions
[03:56] <mralphabet> knix_: will it break your server? . . . probably ;)
[03:56] <mralphabet> knix_: dapper to edgy is not nearly as smooth as edgy to feisty
[03:57] <mralphabet> knix_: you should be fine, though
[03:58] <knix_> mralphabet, ty
[04:12] <hirs> he guys
[04:12] <knix_> wassssabie
[04:13] <hirs> will anyone of you be so kind to spend yome time for me and my problems?
[04:14] <mralphabet> no, but you are welcome to ask your question anyway!
[04:14] <knix_> lets here it..   Throw it out there and someone will get it
[04:15] <hirs> i am trying to install ubuntu-server 6.06.1 amd64 on a hp ml310 g4 machine
[04:15] <knix_> good man
[04:15] <hirs> but if i choose the country i am coming from(austria) and pressing enter, nothing happens
[04:15] <hirs> there will be only a blue screen
[04:16] <hirs> then i have changed to tty4
[04:16] <hirs> and theres the party going on
[04:16] <hirs> error error error
[04:16] <hirs> but its to fast for me to read is
[04:17] <hirs> i only can read about: usb, usb hub, usb hp virtual mouse, usb disconnected
[04:17] <hirs> then i have disabled all usb ports in bios
[04:17] <hirs> but the same thing happens again
[04:17] <hirs> i dont know what to do?
[04:18] <hirs> is it possible that 6.06.1 is not so compatible with intel chipsets?
[04:18] <mralphabet> hirs: I would put that in the bug category, you may want to search launchpad to see if anybody else has similar issues / possible fixes
[04:19] <hirs> ok i'll try to follow your instrunctions
[04:20] <hirs> i have to ask some experts in engish, im not so good at
[04:20] <hirs> ------------
[04:20] <hirs> ok now i have tried to install ubuntu-server 6.10
[04:20] <hirs> it works
[05:14] <shawarma> w/in 17
[05:33] <Shane-S> where does the server store network related logs and error logs?
[05:34] <Shane-S> I had an issue where it seems to have cause Windows DC's to never win elections, and apache failed and would not bind to port 80. I reboot seems to have corrected the problem, but I need to find out what it was
[05:34] <Shane-S> if it was the Ubuntu server at all or just a coincidence the problem cleared up when I rebooted
[05:37] <ivoks> Shane-S: samba logs are in /var/log/samba/
[05:37] <ivoks> Shane-S: apache logs are in /var/log/apache2/
[05:37] <Shane-S> what about general networking logs? I have samba on there but not setup for the domain
[05:38] <ivoks> you've probably already had apache running, so new instance couldn't bind to port 80
[05:38] <ivoks> general networking logs? like...?
[05:38] <ivoks> problems with kernel par of network are recoreded in /var/log/kern.log
[05:38] <Shane-S> if like eth0 had an error, bad packet, loss of connectivity?
[05:38] <ivoks> dmesg
[05:39] <ivoks> or /var/log/syslog
[05:39] <ivoks> or /var/log/kern.log
[05:39] <Shane-S> alrioght ty
[05:39] <ivoks> if you have samba in network, it will probably win elections
[05:39] <ivoks> you should configure it to loose or not try at all
[05:40] <Shane-S> yeah I may have to disable that, not very good with getting it running
[05:40] <ivoks> domain master = no
[05:40] <ivoks> local master = no
[05:40] <Shane-S> work with ip of system and asks for a local system account, but nothing AD based
[05:40] <ivoks> preferred master = no
[05:41] <ivoks> you want to set it up as BDC?
[05:41] <ivoks> it can be BDC only for NT4 stlye network
[05:41] <ivoks> or AD client
[05:41] <ivoks> it can't be BDC for AD
[05:41] <ivoks> (yet :)
[05:42] <Shane-S> no actually I only wanted Samba so my dumb users could "browse" to it
[05:42] <Shane-S> I use winSCP3
[05:42] <ivoks> ah.. i see..
[05:42] <ivoks> with authentication or without it?
[05:43] <Shane-S> well I was trying to get guest access, but i only got it with local Ubuntu account working
[05:43] <ivoks> do you want users to authenticate when connect or just get files, without entering username/password
[05:43] <Shane-S> but, its i9n production now, not sure if I want to play other then disabling it
[05:43] <ivoks> it's easy to make it with guest account
[05:44] <ivoks> for non-auth share, you need:
[05:44] <ivoks> in [global]
[05:44] <Shane-S> well I am sharing the public web folder so teachers can upload their webpages
[05:44] <ivoks> security = share
[05:45] <ivoks> server string = name of your server
[05:45] <ivoks> and then, for a share:
[05:45] <ivoks> [share_name]
[05:45] <ivoks> path = /path/to/shared/folder
[05:45] <ivoks> guest ok = yes
[05:45] <Shane-S> I will have to come back and link you to my conf
[05:45] <ivoks> :)
[05:45] <Shane-S> I am pretty sure I did all of that
[05:45] <Shane-S> I am almost out of battery power :(
[05:45] <Shane-S> I was out troubleshooting this building
[05:46] <ivoks> it's very important to set it security as share, not leave it as default
[05:46] <Shane-S> cause wireshark was showing me all kinds of Browser elections
[05:46] <Shane-S> and then someone called and is like the website just went down
[05:46] <Shane-S> reboot that and poof, issues here died
[05:46] <Shane-S> but problem is there are 4 buildings
[05:46] <Shane-S> and I could not tell if the others were having those issues
[05:47] <Shane-S> as wireshark can't read across routers :P
[05:47] <Shane-S> ohh well, I will be back in like an hour or so, thank you
[05:47] <ivoks> ah... beauty of the job :)
[05:47] <ivoks> i won't be here
[05:47] <ivoks> i'm just leaving...
[05:48] <Shane-S> alright
[05:48] <Shane-S> well I am sure someone can help
[05:48] <ivoks> yes
[05:48] <ivoks> well, bye
[05:48] <Shane-S> hmm
[05:48] <Shane-S> http://ww.mantuaschools.com/smb.txt
[05:48] <Shane-S> http://www.mantuaschools.com/smb.txt
[05:49] <Shane-S> there, I had linked it from when I was setting it up :P
[05:49] <ivoks> security = user is bad
[05:49] <ivoks> as i said, it must be share
[05:49] <Shane-S> ok
[05:50] <ivoks> cause, if it's user, then every time one connects she has to enter username/password
[05:50] <ivoks> with share security, when you choose share, you have to enter pass only if it requiers
[05:50] <ivoks> if it's guest = ok, then no passwd is asked
[05:50] <Shane-S> you see anything there that would mess with server elections?
[05:51] <ivoks> this is 'advanced' setup :)
[05:51] <ivoks> no, meaning it's default
[05:51] <ivoks> if it's default, samba will try to become master of your network
[05:51] <mralphabet> Shane-S: http://jonpeck.blogspot.com/2006/11/how-to-configure-80-fileserver-in-45.html
[05:51] <ivoks> take a look at man smb.conf and seach for 'master'
[05:52] <mralphabet> Shane-S: great tips for setting up a quick file server
[05:52] <ivoks> mralphabet: making things complicate with swat? :)
[05:52] <Shane-S> thanks, I followed some tutorial to get the conf
[05:52] <Shane-S> but it did what I needed kinda
[05:52] <Shane-S> thanks all I will be save this and bbl
[05:53] <mralphabet> ivoks: it works . .. usually
[05:53] <ivoks> Shane-S: domain master = no
[05:53] <mralphabet> ivoks: quick guide, that's all it is
[05:53] <mralphabet> ;)
[05:53] <ivoks> mralphabet: once you will not have access to swat on your server (cause of firewall or something else) and then you will look at smb.conf
[05:54] <ivoks> mralphabet: that will be the last day you had swat on your mind :D
[05:54] <ivoks> or any other non-vim tool for configuration :D
[05:54] <ivoks> anyway, take care guys...
[05:54] <mralphabet> lol
[05:54] <ivoks> see you later
[05:55] <mralphabet> later ivoks
[05:55] <Shane-S> same with me
[05:55] <Shane-S> bbl ty
[08:06] <AlexC_> Hey hey,
[08:07] <lionel> Hi AlexC_
[08:07] <AlexC_> could someone point to a good guide for getting email working, so I can use it as a mail server as well? I belive I need to install Postfix?
[08:07] <Nafallo> AlexC_: help.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <AlexC_> =) ok, let me check it out
[08:11] <AlexC_> huh? why do I have to set a mail name?
[08:11] <AlexC_> say for example I was hosted at   myhost.com  my email address would not look like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:11] <AlexC_> its telling me to set the mail name that email will be sent/received from :S
[08:12] <AlexC_> does that mean everyone will then have to use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and not their own domain name?
[08:13] <Nafallo> you found the serverguide?
[08:14] <Nafallo> I used one of the community ones :-)
[08:15] <AlexC_> yes I used server guide
[08:15] <AlexC_> so, does that mean I've just done it weong lol
[08:15] <AlexC_> s/weong/wrong
[08:25] <Nafallo> depends on your needs
[08:26] <Nafallo> my server uses PostgreSQL to lookup stuff
[08:28] <AlexC_> hum, is there a way to use a Virtual postfix ... like you do with Apache and Virtual Hosts?
[08:28] <Nafallo> thats what I do
[08:29] <Nafallo> help.ubuntu.com and look at the community section
[08:39] <AlexC_> wow, this postfix thing is making me go dizzy lol
[08:39] <AlexC_> if only I could afford cPanel =D
[09:37] <[GK] > Does anyone know how to configure a network in the Ubuntu Server Edition? I just installed it on the old computer I have lying around to test it out, but I installed it where I didn't have my network connected and now it won't connect to my internet for apt-get.
[09:40] <mralphabet> [GK] : /etc/network/interfaces
[09:40] <[GK] > awesome, thanks
[09:41] <[GK] > oh and more thing is it possible to install the ubuntu-desktop so I can have an interface to help me?
[09:41] <[GK] > I realize it will make it slower, but it will just be for configuring
[09:43] <mralphabet> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:43] <[GK] > thought so
[09:43] <[GK] > thanks
[09:44] <mralphabet> sure thing, my paypal is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:51] <[GK] > Hi, everyone I was hoping to get some help with installing the ubuntu-dektop on the server I am trying to set up. I have used sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. The problem is that when I agree to allowing it to install it says to insert the 'Ubuntu-Server 6.06.1 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060807.1)' disc into the drive. The problem is I do not have it on me. Also, I had used sudo apt-get dist-
[10:53] <mralphabet> [GK] : your sources.list has a cd as a repository
[10:53] <[GK] > mralphabet: And if I remove it, the install should work?
[10:54] <mralphabet> well . . . comment it ou
[10:54] <mralphabet> t
[10:54] <[GK] > ok thanks I'll try it
[10:55] <theacolyte> yes
[10:55] <theacolyte> it will
[10:55] <theacolyte> btw
[10:55] <theacolyte> I always do that for any ubuntu install
[10:56] <theacolyte> server/desktop dapper/feisty doesn't matter
[10:56] <theacolyte> all the packages on the cd are in the default repos
[10:56] <[GK] > great
[10:56] <[GK] > oh and where is the sources.list?
[10:57] <theacolyte> it's in /etc/apt
[10:58] <theacolyte> asdf I kicked the network cable out in my cacti box
[10:58] <theacolyte> gg gap in my graphs
[10:58] <[GK] > lol
[10:59] <[GK] > perfect its working now, thanks again
[11:07] <theacolyte> np
[11:50] <knix_> Where can I find documentation on feisty server?


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[08:09] <RikMills> apw, seb128, sil2100 or any AA : would you perhaps be able to look at plasma-wayland-protocal and kwayland-server in NEW?
[08:09] <RikMills> LP: #1883501
[08:09] <RikMills> LP: #1884120
[08:10] <RikMills> without those, Kubuntu and studio will get no new plasma for 20.10
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[10:18] <oSoMoN> urgh, please reject that upload ^, it was meant for groovy
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[10:20] <apw> oSoMoN, ^
[10:20] <oSoMoN> thanks
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[15:39] <juliank> So retry-autopkgtests combines triggers together which lets packages migrate to release pocket which then cause other tests to fail, because they like needed two triggers to work
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[15:40] <juliank> e.g. make-dfsg is blocked by dpkg, and if I retry with dpkg as an additional trigger (or something pulling that in), make-dfsg would pass and "break" the dpkg in release pocket.
[15:41] <juliank> oh ffs autopkgtest
[15:42] <Laney> Extra triggers in 'bad idea' shocker (same for all-proposed)
[15:42] <juliank> yeah
[15:42] <Laney> Maybe we should restrict that to the release team only
[15:42] <juliank> Laney: and people were suggesting combining triggers in the queue automatically
[15:43] <Laney> They should be combined where there are package relationships that make them required
[15:43] <juliank> e.g. if X is trigger by A and B in two entries, delete them and make it triggered by A,B
[15:43] <Laney> new proposed-migration does that!
[15:43] <Laney> but otherwise, no nope no
[15:43] <Laney> Unless we could feed the information back and add extra faux-depends
[15:43] <juliank> but does it then also add a dependency so that all triggers need to migrate together?
[15:44] <Laney> it generates the triggers *from* the dependencies
[15:44] <juliank> ah
[15:44] <juliank> right, I was thinking if you merge unrelated triggers
[15:44] <Laney> no, and it's questionable that retry-autopkgtest-regressions does that imho
[15:44] <juliank> then the entire trigger list should probably only migrate together
[15:45] <Laney> but we don't have any feedback in that direction atm
[15:45] <Laney> it probably could be done if we read the triggers on the p-m side ...
[15:45] <Laney> which would not work for all-proposed :(
[15:46] <Laney> anyway, why am I talking to you, I'm on a day off and could be outside getting wet :)
[15:46] <Laney> o/
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[17:41] <Trevinho> please remove the first version of libfprint i uploaded to focal-proposed as it had a bad bug reference number :-/
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[18:01] <seb128> Trevinho, rejected
[18:01] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[18:02] <seb128> yw!
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[19:23] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Please reject ^ rapid-photo-downloader, it won't build due to debhelper-compat being too high. I'll reduce and reupload.
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[19:42] <Eickmeyer> ta
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[19:45] <Eickmeyer> tjaalton, vorlon: ^ SRU bug 1873944
[19:47] <tjaalton> I'm EOw
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[22:00] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: it's a queue; there are a few packages ahead of this one
[22:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: Ok
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[22:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: It's just that, in the past, my packages and uploads get skipped in the queue a LOT, so you can understand my tepidness.
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[00:13] <ali12341> i was thinking about the clocks changing
[00:13] <shauno> I think they just went back 24 hours?
[00:15] <ali12341> so my question is this: can unix tzdata handle a timezone where seconds are 0.023% shorter for half the year, and 0.0023% longer for the other half?
[00:16] <diddledan> err
[00:17] <shauno> ali1234: I mean this in the nicest possible way.  when you become earth's evil overlord, I'm leaving the planet :)
[00:18] <ali12341> i was thinking about what you'd do if you had no clock
[00:18] <shauno> I think that's been tried?  we just got up when it got light and went to bed when it got dark?
[00:18] <ali12341> right, my conclusion is if the sun rises earlier each day, you'll get up earlier each day
[00:19] <ali12341> if you get up earlier you go to sleep earlier
[00:19] <diddledan> what about those of us that don't respect daylight?
[00:19] <ali12341> which effectively means each day is slightly less than 24 hours
[00:20] <shauno> it's not that linear though?
[00:20] <ali12341> then when the daylight hours get shorter you are getting up later each day, so the days are slightly longer
[00:22] <zmoylan-pi> just remember when you become evil overlord there's a todo list.  a real time saver :-) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOverlordList
[00:22] <shauno> I think redefining seconds would cause more problems though
[00:22] <ali12341> yes. better to make days +/- 20 seconds
[00:23] <ali12341> that could be adjusted to match the change in sunrise times
[00:23] <shauno> I mean, I thought it was crazy that australia have a "and a half" timezone
[00:23] <ali12341> effectively i'm proposing a time system where sunrise is at a fixed time instead of noon
[00:24] <ali12341> this would mean timezone would depend on latitude as well as longitude
[00:24] <shauno> yeah, I was just thinking that.  noon's easy because it's constant
[00:25] <shauno> you'd have timezones shaped like sine waves
[00:25] <ali12341> if tzdata devs think they have it bad now...
[00:26] <shauno> I still have to contemplate that the easiest way for them to handle this proposal, would be to hire a hitman
[00:27] <diddledan> I think we should all be on atomic time
[00:27] <shauno> diddledan: I've seen your pic dear.  You're not an atom.
[00:27] <diddledan> none of this futsing about with leap-seconds and daylight saving
[00:28] <shauno> honestly, I'd be happy if they could even get europe & north america to switch daylight savings at the same time
[00:29] <shauno> instead of this weird mess where we're now 4 hours ahead of new york.  for a week or two.
[00:29] <diddledan> I'm betting that's a real pain point for you supporting the us from eire
[00:29] <shauno> it's mostly painful for them :)
[00:29] <diddledan> lol
[00:30] <shauno> we do 6am-6pm no matter what.  they're the ones that end up doing 2pm-2am for a week or two  (or three in spring)
[00:31] <shauno> I understand the current mess - it's normalized to lattitude (europe is a lot further north than it feels like)
[00:32] <zmoylan-pi> i'd be happy if they got rid of summer time as the farmers are a smaller % of workers now
[00:33] <shauno> (barcelona is further north than NYC, for example)
[00:37] <shauno> now that I think about it, ali's timezones wouldn't be sine waves, they'd just be diagonal versions of what we have now
[00:38] <shauno> kinda.  until you hit the equator.  and then I run out of think.
[00:38] <diddledan> they'd be sine waves if the change was 0.023% per day
[00:39] <shauno> I'm just thinking that as you head south, so sunrise comes later (in the summer at least), you can compensate by heading east
[00:40] <shauno> what's really awkward is that would be reversed in the winter, they'd lean the other way
[00:41] <diddledan> oh god, that would be we'd have different length of day for the north compared to the south
[00:41] <diddledan> and seconds wouldn't align
[00:41] <shauno> nah.  let's be realistic.  you'd just continue to pretend the north doesn't exist.
[00:42] <diddledan> I mean hemispherically
[00:42] <shauno> well, timezones are already wider at the equator
[00:47] <shauno> I think the pi's going to work tomorrow.  it's a bank holiday, I can get away with it :)
[00:48] <zmoylan-pi> put it in a big desktop calculator case :-)
[00:50] <shauno> I figure if they didn't want me to take retropi to work, they wouldn't have given me a 4:3 monitor :)
[00:50] <shauno> diddledan: re book .. watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2281159/  :)
[00:53] <diddledan> wtf
[00:53] <diddledan> that looks fun
[00:53] <shauno> it's a zombie movie from the zombie's pov, basically.  it's a trainwreck.
[00:54] <shauno> but there's one scene in particular that's uncomfortably close to what you just described
[02:47] <mapps> god damn
[02:48] <mapps> so much for my 100mbit
[02:48] <mapps> speedtest shows 13.8mbit..yet im paying for 100
[02:51] <diddledan> yeouch
[02:51] <diddledan> that's sloow
[02:51] <mapps> yep
[02:51] <mapps> 75 pounds a month for 100
[02:51] <mapps> so il have to call them and have another fun conversation
[02:51] <diddledan> maybe neighbours are swamping the local node
[02:54] <daftykins> is this real world speeds or just speedtest.net? 'cause that site blows
[02:55] <mapps> speedtest.net
[02:55] <mapps> and my samsung rv520 laptop isnt working..turned off and now display wont come on..laptop turns n then off like after say 10seconds
[02:56] <mapps> annoying as i did buy a new laptop before i came herebut left it in theuk
[03:02] <daftykins> D:
[03:02] <shauno> why on earth are you awake :/
[03:11] <mapps> homeland time
[03:11] <mapps> yay
[03:15] <mapps> wonder whats wrong with my rv520..really annoying :(
[03:15] <mapps> only got my netbook now which i love but its small for watching tv on
[03:19] <daftykins> i'd just fully strip and reassemble
[03:19] <daftykins> run minimal hardware, see what happens
[03:20] <mapps> yea
[03:20] <mapps> il have to do it back in UK
[03:20] <mapps> not got anything here so cant take it apoart etc
[03:25] <daftykins> =[
[03:26] <daftykins> i never like having situations and being away from my tools
[03:26] <mapps> yea
[03:26] <mapps> it sucks
[03:27] <daftykins> in fact i went to England once without any of my USB flash drives and regretted it
[03:27] <mapps> thats why i hate moving or livng abroad really...cant being everything
[03:27] <mapps> bring
[03:27] <daftykins> so many situations came up
[03:27] <mapps> yea
[04:14] <mapps> afty still awake?
[04:20] <shauno> I've never really had that.  when I moved to the US, I took a suitcase.  when I came back, I brought the same suitcase
[04:22] <mapps> how long did you stay there for
[04:22] <shauno> 5 years
[04:23] <mapps> wow nice
[04:24] <shauno> moving there was funny though.  I was 20, so simple priorities.  stuck my PC in the suitcase.  filled the insides of the tower with books so bits wouldn't shift around too much
[04:24] <daftykins> i'm alive
[04:24] <shauno> and then shoved enough clothes in the suitcase to keep it padded :)
[04:24] <shauno> (and took the harddrives as carryon because I didn't trust the baggage monkeys)
[04:26] <mapps> u took a big pc?
[04:26] <shauno> heh, sure
[04:26] <shauno> that was 2001.  a laptop was a big deal for a 20yo back then :p
[04:26] <daftykins> ;D
[04:28] <shauno> it wasn't even a good PC :/  but it went through hell with me
[04:31] <mapps> heh
[04:32] <mapps> how much did it weigh? you managed to fit in youir allowance for case?
[04:32] <shauno> I honestly have no idea.  mum figured all that stuff out :)
[04:32] <mapps> :)
[04:33] <mapps> howcome you guys are always up so late
[04:33] <shauno> I went to bed, nothing happened, so I got up again
[04:34] <shauno> I get stuck in this loop where I go to bed late when I have to be up early.  and then can't sleep because I worry that I won't wake up on time
[04:34] <daftykins> eek!
[04:34] <daftykins> i just don't have anything to be up for tomorrow
[04:34] <daftykins> and keep staying up watching the Baseball world series ;|
[04:34] <shauno> I work at 6 :/
[04:34] <daftykins> ouch
[04:34] <daftykins> you're close now!
[04:36] <mapps> hahaha thats the kinda thing id do shauno stay up late then like uh cant sleep i may oversleep ll
[04:36] <mapps> you work from home?
[04:36] <shauno> nah, I've got a proper job :p
[04:38] <daftykins> time to bail on the waking world i think
[04:38] <mapps> heh
[04:38] <daftykins> nn gents \o
[04:39] <mapps> nn mate
[04:39] <shauno> night
[05:47] <OERIAS> mmm bangers and tea
[06:10] <shauno> good lord man.  bangers and mash!
[07:50] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:21] <diddledan> morning MooDoo
[08:21] <diddledan> sorry about the delay
[08:31] <MooDoo> no worries i was on early
[08:53] <MooDoo> yay someone got nic bonding working on 14.04 lts  server using my post :)
[08:53] <diddledan> well done
[08:54] <MooDoo> lol simple things eh lol
[08:55] <diddledan> is that 802.1ax or the linux-only variant?
[08:56] <diddledan> .1ax is fairly recent in terms of spec
[08:57] <OERIAS> bangers
[08:57] <OERIAS> mmmm
[09:02] <knightwise> yo peeps
[09:02] <diddledan> lo
[09:03] <knightwise> hey diddledan how are you today
[09:03] <diddledan> hunky dory ta
[09:03] <knightwise> same here
[09:04] <knightwise> allthough I have quite a bit of work to get through reinstalling my dual booted macbook air :(
[09:04] <knightwise> Yosemety update killed my dual boot ability so i had to completely nuke and pave back to mavericks
[09:05] <knightwise> And I had it pimped out so nicely
[09:09] <diddledan> :-(
[09:09] <diddledan> sucky
[09:09] <dutchie> morning
[09:09] <diddledan> what isn't sucky tho: http://jupiter.bowlhat.net:1888/map/%23ubuntu-uk (note that the data isn't fully loaded yet)
[09:10]  * diddledan been playing over night
[09:11] <diddledan> did I kill him?
[09:11] <diddledan> ello dutchie
[09:16] <MooDoo> any one know of any decent p2v tools?  besindes vmware convertor, which I'm using at the moment?  it's for a 14.04 LTS server.
[09:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: why you after me
[09:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: wasn't, not that I can remember why
 That's the ones :D   davmor2 I'm after you sir! :D
[09:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: last night around 10:00 by the look of it
[09:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah i remember now, on brobostigon's stats, you're the one above me on most talking irc users
[09:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: ah let me guess popey is number 1
[09:30] <MooDoo> yeah but no surprise there really ;)
[09:31] <davmor2> Oh and Morning all
[09:32] <popey> morning all
[09:35] <popey> diddledan: you sure that's -uk?
[09:35] <davmor2> speak of the devil
[09:35] <popey> looks more like #ubuntu to me
[09:35] <davmor2> morning popey
[09:35] <popey> yo
[09:35] <popey> good flight back?
[09:39] <davmor2> popey: yeah pretty uneventful and no ripped jeans this time \o/
[09:40] <popey> heh
[09:42]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how you rip jeans on an airplane...
[09:43] <MooDoo> probably jumping over all the seats to get at the screaming kid ;)
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> or travelling as luggage and getting caught on baggage carousel
[09:45] <davmor2> on the newark flight in I was on like the worlds smallest plane, must of been about 5'11 and about 4'6-5' where the luggage rack came I had the window seat and the arm had a bit sticking out of it.  I'm 6'2 so because of the weird angle I was at to get into the seat my jeans got snagged on the bit sticking out of the arm
[09:45] <MooDoo> :(
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:54] <foobarry> how wide are seats on aeroplanes nowadays?
[09:54] <foobarry> do they fit american butts?
[09:55] <brobostigon> unlikely.
[09:55] <popey> there isn't a universal butt
[09:55] <foobarry> butts are wider now than in the 70s though, surely
[09:55] <popey> the ones on the A380 are nice
[09:56] <popey> the plane i was on is 6 months old
[09:56] <foobarry> a380 airbutt
[09:57] <brobostigon> airplane chair, with butt massager.
[09:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:59] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:59] <bigcalm> o/
[09:59] <MooDoo> morning
[09:59] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:00] <popey> we were very nice to the stewardesses
[10:01] <popey> so we kept getting topped up with booze and food on the flight
[10:01]  * popey ♥ BA
[10:01] <brobostigon> :)
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy 110th birthday to the New York City subway! :-D
[10:01] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[10:02] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:02] <JamesTait> popey, I wish I'd worked the travel agent harder and got a BA flight. United charge extra for alcoholic drinks with your meal. :(
[10:03] <popey> ugh
[10:03] <popey> i ended up having 6 bottles of plonk
[10:03] <bigcalm> 75cl bottles?
[10:03] <popey> airplane bottles
[10:04] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:04] <popey> also she slipped us a bacon sarnie she nabbed from club class as we were coming in to land
[10:04]  * JamesTait makes a note to travel with popey next time.
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> the bacon sarnie, king of sarnies
[10:07] <popey> me and will tend to pm eachother 24 hours before the flight to book our seats ☻
[10:07] <dwatkins> did someone here run a page called "pimp my spice rack", or did I dream it?
[10:08] <JamesTait> I did the same with davmor2 for the Malta sprint, but we were on different flights this time.
[10:08] <foobarry> dwatkins: alanbell
[10:10] <dwatkins> thanks foobarry - I couldn't find the link
[10:10] <brobostigon> they should make a dr who spinoff called "pimp my tardis!!"
[10:11] <dwatkins> brobostigon: there's probably a subreddit for that
[10:11] <brobostigon> :)
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> but if you change the appearance of the tardis, is it still a tardis?
[10:15] <foobarry> yes, just a new series ;P
[10:16] <dwatkins> aha, it's "Rate my spice rack", found it!
[10:16] <dwatkins> the site no longer exists, however
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> way back machine have it?
[10:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: we need to  work that better next time :)
[10:56] <popey> hehe, http://imgur.com/ryMubA8 "This British Street is all set for Halloween"
[10:57] <davmor2> popey: oh scary
[10:58] <shauno> hm, I'm missing something
[10:59] <davmor2> shauno: I'm waiting for popey's pic of here's an american street ready for halloween
[11:00] <davmor2> shauno: they take it a little more seriously over there
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> uk has moved it's celebration to nov 5 for guy fawkes night
[11:01] <MooDoo> in my village, it seemed it was 5th november last night
[11:01] <foobarry> "moved"
[11:01] <foobarry> MooDoo: diwali?
[11:02] <popey> i let off some fireworks we've had for 2 years on saturday
[11:02] <MooDoo> no just some prat in a garden setting off fireworks at 9pm
[11:02] <popey> only quiet ones that sparkle
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> well guy fawkes night has masks and fireworks and bonfires like halloween
[11:11] <foobarry> "you car is in v good condition. just some minor bits. that will be £125 please"
[11:12] <shauno> I actually liked halloween in the states.  our town had this cute thing where the shops all put an orange card cut-out of a pumpkin in the window
[11:13] <shauno> and then on halloween, the kids all go and trick'or'treat just those stores
[11:13] <shauno> it was overly cutsey, but highly effective.  no more hiding upstairs with all the lights out
[11:14]  * zmoylan-pi fills in the scorpion pit... :-)
[11:15] <directhex> skip trick or treating; play Costume Quest instead
[11:15] <directhex> better for your teeth!
[11:19] <MooDoo> shauno: we do that in our area, if there is a lit pumpkin outside, you can trick or treat there.
[11:20] <shauno> I do miss that
[11:20] <shauno> here I just hide my wheelie bins and shut the lights out
[11:21] <shauno> ireland's in an odd position where they basically want a 'bonfire night', but they don't have/recognise the 5th.  so halloween becomes defacto bonfire night, fireworks are smuggled across the border, etc
[11:22] <shauno> and combining "trick" with "bonfire" isn't always ideal
[11:24] <foobarry> sent a contractor a gz of a large file 260MB. he was struggling to read it, then i realised 1) he hadn't gunzipped 2) he was doing the windows user fail of opening the whole file in a text editor
[11:24] <JamesTait> davmor2, did you see the toy store in Tysons Corner Center (sic) where they moved all the toys into the store room and re-stocked with Hallowe'en stuff instead?
[11:24] <foobarry> windows mentality. must open entire file to search for string
[11:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: that was the Mircosoft store you were looking at wasn't it
[11:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, oh no, I was too busy next door in the Tesla store....
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> we've always had a bonfire night, it might go back to ancient tradition of putting out all fires once a year and sharing a single flame from tara
[11:31] <shauno> right, and it's likely the same here.  but the uk has a current outlet for it, here they really don't
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> well we have bonfires on halloween
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> lots of them
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> i haven't been to a part of ireland that didn't have bonfires
[11:32] <shauno> that's what I mean.  the uk has a seperate night for them.  here they just get bundled in
[12:35] <knightwise> there
[12:35] <knightwise> system reinstalled :)
[12:36] <knightwise> Stupid Yosemite update ..
[12:36] <knightwise> breaking my dual boot ... hrrmmpphh
[12:38] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[12:38] <knightwise> had to redo both my ubuntu and my osx install ..
[12:38] <BigRedS> Oh, yosemit's the new OSX. that's not a cat
[12:39] <knightwise> Yep
[12:39] <funkyHat> Neither is Mavericks
[12:39] <knightwise> I went for Elementary as my linux distro this time
[12:39] <knightwise> its fast and it looks good
[12:39] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, I missed that one
[12:39] <knightwise> even if its based on 12.04
[12:39] <BigRedS> Is that the OSX clone?
[12:40] <knightwise> "clone" is a big word
[12:40] <knightwise> but its a light and elegant distro based on 12.04
[12:40] <BigRedS> Is that the one that looks like OSX? :)
[12:40] <knightwise> had it installed on my wifes imac for a month before she noticed it
[12:40] <knightwise> yes , it does look like osx a bit
[12:40] <BigRedS> haha
[12:41] <knightwise> its pretty though.
[12:41] <knightwise> and fast .. fast is important
[12:41] <knightwise> lighter then unity , better looking then lxde
[12:42] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't find Unity that slow, except the start-button search thing
[12:43] <BigRedS> but, generally, I'm still amazed by Crunchbang's ability to not make me swear at my computer all the time
[12:43] <brobostigon> gnome3 is definatly faster in that respect.
[12:44] <BigRedS> at making you swear at it?
[12:44] <BigRedS> :)
[12:44] <BigRedS> yeah, I can't remember what put me off Gnome3
[12:45] <OERIAS> one here tried Ubuntu Mate?
[12:45] <knightwise> I don't actually care what window manager i'm using. mostly I hide the dock / unity launcher and use a keyboard launcher like Kupfer to start all my apps
[12:45] <knightwise> OERIAS: i have , its fast .. stable .. and it feels very very retro
[12:46] <OERIAS> knightwise, it might actually make stop complaining about ubuntu
[12:46] <brobostigon> no, the app search thing, BigRedS
[12:46] <OERIAS> now that it has a gnome 2.x desktop
[12:46] <Azelphur> Mozilla gave me a free Flame, aww yis
[12:46] <BigRedS> yeah, that's why i was fine with Unity, but I found the weird way you get told about unread mails/jabbers unworkable
[12:47] <knightwise> I'm looking forward to the next version of elementary to be honest.
[12:47] <OERIAS> i just ubuntu would have made a flavour a whole lot sooner
[12:47] <knightwise> its very "sober" but that is just what I like about the distro
[12:47] <OERIAS> back in 2011
[12:47] <OERIAS> of course
[12:47] <knightwise> btw : have any of you checked out Chromixium ?
[12:49] <OERIAS> no i haven't
[12:49] <OERIAS> tell me
[12:50] <knightwise> ubuntu on the bottom , chromeOS up top based on Chromium
[12:52] <OERIAS> nice
[12:52] <OERIAS> does it have access to chrome store?
[12:53] <davmor2> knightwise: why not just drop x altogether and just use the terminal ;)
[12:53] <knightwise> come on .. terminal-only discussions are soooo 1995
[12:56] <davmor2> knightwise: and your gui is from 1996 right ;)
[12:56] <knightwise> lol
[12:56] <knightwise> i dont think a terminal only interface for a linux DESKTOP is feasable anymore
[12:56] <knightwise> for a server perhaps.. Terminal + webinterface is all I use for my servers
[12:56] <knightwise> but on my desktops ?
[12:57] <davmor2> knightwise: well I was talking about you personally :P
[12:57] <knightwise> hmmm.. i love using terminal apps for their speed and the low bandwith they use (i'm hotspotting my phone a lot)
[12:58] <knightwise> But I don't know if I could use them exclusively
[12:58] <davmor2> knightwise: I'm guessing that there is only really the browser you need x for right so you could throw that in an unconfined lxc container and have that run x for you done ;)
[12:59] <knightwise> true.
[12:59] <knightwise> the nice thing about chromixium is that you can always have that one app available that you don't have in chrome
[12:59] <knightwise> like for example something like filezilla or something
[12:59] <knightwise> but running complete X is a waste of resources , i agree
[13:02] <BigRedS> knightwise: what do you use a web interface for on a server?
[13:02] <BigRedS> webmin style things?
[13:02] <knightwise> webmin
[13:03] <knightwise> and things like plex , bittorrent sync, calibre, transmission .. all of those thing run via web interfaces
[13:04] <BigRedS> ah, I was thinking more traditional servery things
[13:05] <BigRedS> that's a little more like shifting desktop apps off to a server and using a webui for them
[13:05] <BigRedS> you're in the cloud, man
[13:05] <knightwise> Private cloud :)
[13:13] <dutchie> wow, gnome-shell is slow
[13:14] <dutchie> and cpu heavy
[13:19] <knightwise> not my cuppa tea :)
[13:22] <dutchie> yeah, i'm usually happy with unmity
[13:22] <dutchie> unity
[13:22] <dutchie> but decided to see what i'm missing
[13:22] <knightwise> dutchie: that bad ?
[13:22] <dutchie> what's that bad?
[13:26] <knightwise> Gnome3
[13:27] <dutchie> i think if it didn't keep dropping frames it'd be ok
[13:27] <knightwise> hmm..
[13:27] <knightwise> I'm getting all of my apps together here , mostly everything works , aside from runnign the latest version of Evernote under wine
[13:27] <dutchie> i might even prefer it to unity
[13:28] <dutchie> but it loses v hard in performance to that
[13:30] <dutchie> i'll give it a go this week i think
[13:30] <dutchie> also i've managed to get a white box stuck on the screen
[13:31] <dutchie> one of those old-school right-click menu glitch type things
[13:32] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't recall why I preferred Unity to Gnome 3. They're really similar in lots of ways
[13:33] <brobostigon> i prefer gnome3's workspace implementation.
[13:34] <foobarry> does gnome3 still suffer from the issue where if you update it, you have choice to disable extensions or wait until all your extensions are updated?
[13:34] <foobarry> i tried it for about 6 months
[13:35] <foobarry> extensions were necessary, but they did not cohabit nicely and crashed gnome a lot
[13:36] <dutchie> idk
[13:36] <dutchie> i typed "apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" then logged out and back in with the "gnome" sessino
[13:36] <dutchie> i used to use g-s before unity even existed
[13:37] <dutchie> used to compile it out of git every week
[13:37] <brobostigon> same here.
[13:38] <brobostigon> i simply use gnome3 directly from debian experimental now.
[13:42] <BigRedS> 'simply' :)
[13:42] <brobostigon> :)
[13:42] <dutchie> brobostigon: on ubuntu?
[13:42] <dutchie> there much of a diff?
[13:43] <shauno> less naked people :(
[13:45] <brobostigon> dutchie: on debian sid,
[13:45] <dutchie> brobostigon: what are you doing in here then?!?! ;)
[13:46] <brobostigon> dutchie: i use ubuntu as well, in various forms.
[13:46] <foobarry> naked
[13:46] <shauno> have you seen the debian 'community'?  don't banish him :(
[13:47] <foobarry> they are friendly if you have a grey beard
[13:47] <shauno> I have a grey beard.  I'd still disagree.
[13:48] <dutchie> joking aside, is gnome-shell actually a fast moving project still?
[13:48] <dutchie> this laptop should definitely be able to run it comfortably
[13:48] <dutchie> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz
[13:49] <brobostigon> yes, and yes.
[13:50] <dutchie> maybe it's just indexing stuff or something?
[13:51] <popey> whats slow about it?
[13:51] <dutchie> alt tab switcher, swapping workspaces
[13:52] <dutchie> it's sitting at 85%+ cpu in top
[13:56] <foobarry> gnome3 was horrific for that
[13:56] <foobarry> mind you, unity dash is slow to pop up too
[13:58] <diddledan> popey: you were right about http://jupiter.bowlhat.net:1888/map/%23ubuntu-uk it was showing #ubuntu's map - something messed up in the json cronjob. it seems fixed now
[13:59] <dutchie> not so much in my experience
[14:02] <dutchie> aha
[14:02] <dutchie> chrome -> settings -> use system title bar/borders
[14:03] <dutchie> and it all runs beautifully
[14:11] <popey> foobarry: i fixed that by switching off active blur
[14:12] <OERIAS> GOOD MORNING CALIFORNIA!
[14:12] <popey> \o/ new tv ordered
[14:12] <OERIAS> Today is a beautiful day for the folks in the beautiful city of Diamond Bar CA
[14:13] <foobarry> popey: yes, got a lot better after that as i recall
[14:13] <OERIAS> 57 freeway both North and South is congested
[14:13] <foobarry> any x2go users in here?
[14:14] <popey> no idea what that is
[14:16] <foobarry> its a type of nxserver, freenx
[14:16] <foobarry> remote desktop app
[14:17] <popey> ahh
[14:17] <knightwise> foobarry: i played with it , didn't get it to work the first time though.
[14:17] <foobarry> have a bit og a problem with a session
[14:17] <foobarry> :(
[14:17] <knightwise> its interesting to have at home. give kids / wife / gran a Linux T
[14:17] <foobarry> stuck in suspend mode. user wants to save the session
[14:18] <knightwise> hmm.. im afraid that is beyond my knowledge
[14:18] <foobarry> yeah, was just checking . the freenode channel is dormant
[14:29] <foobarry> so my wet piece of string got replaced by openreach
[14:29] <foobarry> internet isn't any faster :(
[14:34] <diddledan> grr
[14:35] <shauno> diddledan: heh, that graph's kinda snazzy.  I got a wee star!  out there on the edge of the galaxy with nae pals  lol
[14:37] <diddledan> shauno: it'll re-jig the positions when you refresh - the json just says who's connected to who and the browser decides how to render that
[14:38] <shauno> I can't help suspecting it's a little biased though.  we don't use names so much at 5am when there's only 3 people awake.  it's much easier to imply who you're talking to  lol
[14:42] <foobarry> ls
[14:43] <shauno> You are in a folder of twisted passages, all alike
[14:43] <foobarry> rm -rf DonkeyP*
[14:43] <shauno> You have no DonkeyP*
[14:43] <foobarry> phew
[15:00] <bigcalm> Anybody finding that app windows aren't always updating correctly until they are moved off screen or something is moved over them?
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yes. sometimes. video windows
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> reboots help then
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> oh or gimp
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> restarting gimp several times fixes it sometimes
[15:02] <bigcalm> This is happening in gedit, terminal, firefox
[15:02] <bigcalm> Thankfully it hasn't happened in my IDE yet
[15:06] <foobarry> thought saturdays dr who should have been on cbbc
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: yeah it was very Sarah Jane Adventuresish
[15:09] <foobarry> albiet with a couple of swear words
[15:09] <foobarry> everything else was age apprpriate
[15:09] <foobarry> for 7 yr old
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> easily recut
[15:09] <davmor2> foobarry: why would you remove DonkeyPopMusic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDeQT9zCvi4
[15:12] <BigRedS> bigcalm: yeah, I had that for ages
[15:12] <BigRedS> no idea what fixed it, but there's one or two bugs on Launchpad about it
[15:12] <bigcalm> Odd
[15:13] <ali12341> probably a compositing bugs
[15:13] <ali12341> try turning off the compositor
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: killall unity?
[15:28] <popey> Afternoon all.
[15:29] <daftykins> heya
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> howdy popey
[15:31] <Azelphur> Gah, firefox os doesn't support any bluetooth tethering :(
[15:32] <popey> That's okay! Neither does Ubuntu ☻
[15:32] <Azelphur> popey: ...yes it does, I use it all the time
[15:32] <popey> Ubuntu phone?
[15:32] <Azelphur> Ubuntu desktop, dunno about Ubuntu phone
[15:32] <ali12341> lol, nobody cares about unbuntu phone
[15:33] <ali12341> i too have used bluetooth tethering with the desktop however
[15:33] <popey> "nobody"
[15:33] <ali12341> although to be honest you are better off using wifi hotspot
[15:34] <daftykins> i can honestly say that i never use bluetooth for anything
[15:34] <Azelphur> ali12341: but wifi hotspot drains the crap outta your battery
[15:34] <Azelphur> bluetooth tethering is much better
[15:34] <ali12341> not really
[15:34] <Azelphur> ...yes really? XD
[15:34] <ali12341> it's the mobile connection that drains the battery
[15:34] <foobarry> bluetooth useful for handsfree in the car
[15:34] <ali12341> far more than anything else
[15:35] <Azelphur> ali12341: I leave bluetooth tethering on 24/7 on my phone and just connect as required, it works great. Could never do that with wifi hotspot
[15:35] <foobarry> tether to what?
[15:35] <Azelphur> foobarry: Nexus 5 to Laptop/Nexus 7/...
[15:36] <foobarry> u do it to save battery, or save data?
[15:36] <Azelphur> foobarry: bluetooth tethering instead of wifi has no difference on data, so battery.
[15:38] <directhex> it's the screen that rats the battery!
[15:38] <directhex> eats
[15:39] <Azelphur> lol
[15:39] <foobarry> the rats eat my battery
[15:39] <foobarry> something weird going on with my phone
[15:39] <popey> watched a youtube video about replacing batteries in those USB external battery things recently, looked easy enough
[15:39] <foobarry> few nights ago , 10% battery was lost on airplane mode few nights in a row
[15:40] <shauno> poor rats.  batteries are not yummy!  (although oddly, the contents of a lipo cell *smell* delicious)
[15:40] <foobarry> also, i'm down to 500MB free and android stops syncing and generally breaks because no free space
[15:40] <Azelphur> popey: I have 3 of those, they are so handy
[15:40] <Azelphur> At MozFest I was like the phone charging guy, I rescued like 7 people :)
[15:41] <brobostigon-quas> use something like storage analyser foobarry, to work out where space is being used, and what you can delete to free up space.
[15:41] <popey> this one claims 1200mAh, but reckon I can put a much higher capacity one in it
[15:41] <Azelphur> I said like way too many times in that sentence, I hope I'm not devolving into a teenager.
[15:41] <shauno> I have an odd collection of those too.  I figure when the zombies come, my phone will last longer than the phone network.
[15:41] <ali12341> i only found out a couple of days ago that android has a built in caller blacklist now. or maybe it's a cyanogenmod feature
[15:41] <Azelphur> popey: I have a 12,000mAh one, it's awesome.
[15:41] <foobarry> brobostigon-quas: the issue is that i actually have 500mb free
[15:41] <foobarry> so why android complain?
[15:41] <popey> i have a 13000mAh one
[15:41] <popey> this is a tiny single cell jobbie
[15:41] <popey> (I have a few too)
[15:41] <Azelphur> ah I see
[15:42] <Azelphur> popey: I wanna get one of the ones that do laptops too, that looks really handy.
[15:42] <shauno> I have one of those, but .. it won't connect to my laptop  heh
[15:42] <popey> yay, just busted it open
[15:43] <brobostigon-quas> foobarry: it should stop you before the fs fills up entirly, just like *buntu does, so you cant fill it up entirly, and you have a non-functioning FS. hence it warns you at that point in time.
[15:43] <foobarry> however i now have non funcitoning OS at 500mb free
[15:43] <foobarry> so not much point really
[15:43] <ali12341> if the disk was completely full it would not even boot up
[15:43] <foobarry> unless i delete stuff i don't receive emails , messages etc
[15:43] <Azelphur> popey: speaking of charging things, I wanna get one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Charging-Desktop-Station-SmartIC-Technology/dp/B00L2SBZ80/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[15:44] <Azelphur> 12 amp...so 6 ports at 2 amps, shiny.
[15:44] <brobostigon-quas> yes, android disables functions that could be potentially affected by low fs space.
[15:44] <shauno> atm I have this chap for my phone.  22000mAh and I can't fault it yet - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00F5Q4F0U
[15:44] <foobarry> . Android reserves 500MB of storage but continues to include that 500MB in the available count, even though it's not actually available.
[15:44] <foobarry> sucjs
[15:44] <foobarry> should have bought a 16mb phone
[15:45] <foobarry> suddenly apps use loads of data
[15:45] <foobarry> in earlier android, not so much
[15:45] <foobarry> google search ..60mb
[15:45] <foobarry> of data
[15:48]  * popey amazons for 18650 batteries
[15:48] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/5000mah-Rechargeable-Battery-Ultrafire-Flashlight/dp/B009TRS5V6 should do it
[15:48] <popey> haha, reviews say "no"
[15:49] <shauno> yeah.  unbranded chinese batteries are essentially "mystery meat"
[15:50] <popey> heh
[15:50] <shauno> it ends up being a whole lot of pot luck.  the number printed on them tends to have nothing to do with capacity, but how much they think you'll pay for something with that number printed on it :(
[15:50] <popey> the powerbank ones I have came "free" with a kickstarter
[15:51] <shauno> lol, I like this one .. " however, they do work and hold a charge"
[15:51] <shauno> it's like "well, they are technically batteries, so it wasn't a complete lie .."
[15:51] <popey> heh
[15:57] <Myrtti> I've recently bought lipoly and li-ion batteries, and I've not for a second considered buying anything else than the Adafruit ones
[15:58] <Myrtti> (for my Arduino projects)
[15:58] <foobarry> chinese batteries cause ebola?
[15:58] <shauno> put it this way.  I have a few cheapies.  they sit in my fireplace when I'm not using them.
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> I have.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/15000mAh-Portable-External-Battery-Motorola-Black/dp/B00D5T3QK4/
[16:00] <shauno> lipo that aren't nursed perfectly tend to have two failure modes.  they either inflate like balloons, or they spontaneously combust
[16:01] <shauno> (when you see phones that split themselves open like clams, be happy they picked the more noble death)
[16:02] <brobostigon> cool, i am connected to same byobu + irssi instance with two machine, and both connections mirror the same thing.
[16:22] <foobarry> i hate BST->GMT week
[16:23] <foobarry> awake since 5.15am
[16:23] <foobarry> kids didn't get the memo
[16:23] <popey> my kids have alarm clocks in their rooms which observe DST
[16:23] <foobarry> what about in their body?
[16:23] <popey> a wise investment
[16:23] <popey> what about it?
[16:24] <popey> the rules say "stay in bed till 7am"
[16:24]  * brobostigon has spotted his mp, sir tony baldrick on bbc parliament.
[16:24] <foobarry> my baby is 19months
[16:24] <popey> heh
[16:24] <foobarry> so she wakes up and cries
[16:24] <daftykins> brobostigon: whom!?
[16:24] <foobarry> my son (4) was playing marble run from 6.30, thats ok
[16:25]  * popey ponders what to make for the kids for tea
[16:26] <brobostigon-quas> daftykins: sir tony baldrick, aka, sir tony baldry.
[16:26] <popey> ooh, pitta breads
[16:29] <davmor2> popey: food, I'm guessing food is what they will mostly want ;)
[16:30] <popey> thinking probably a nice toasted pitta filled with cheese & salami maybe
[16:30] <popey> i fancy a tuna melt one
[16:31] <davmor2> popey: well I guess it's food enough that they'll like it ;)
[16:31] <popey> had chilli for lunch which led to clean plates
[16:32] <popey> ooh, actually, could put some chilli in pitta with cheese
[16:32] <popey> that would rock
[16:32]  * popey saves that for tomorrow
[16:32] <davmor2> popey: man you need to get a dishwasher and stop licking the kids plates clean ;)
[17:03] <mapps> HOW handy ee wont gibe me an unlock code
[17:03] <mapps> even after say i can after 6 months..total pain
[17:05] <n1md4> hello.  any one with experience of installing linux on an intel mac-mini
[17:05] <directhex> mapps: ee filled with lies? shock, gasp, etc
[17:06] <n1md4> when booting install CD the system hangs at "select cd-rom boot type" it actually appears the keyboard doesn't function at all at this point.
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> i had that happen, press the menu button on the apple remote at that point
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> it was because the apple keyboard i was using wasn't the 'right' apple keyboard according to the mac mini
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> i wasn't installing linux just trying to make the mac mini boot from the supplied cds to reinstall the os
[17:12] <mapps> yep pretty annoying tho
[17:12] <mapps> it says after 6 months can get a code
[17:12] <mapps> called up twice..and no better off
[17:13] <n1md4> zmoylan-pi: hmmm now i've gotta find the 'right' keyboard ;)
[17:14] <n1md4> I don't have the remote anymore either
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> borrow one?
[17:14] <n1md4> heh
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> took me a few days and a few 100 reboots to work that out :-)
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> drove me bong-kers :-D
[17:16] <n1md4> i can get to the boot menu, and the linuxmint disk presents itself as 'windows' which i found amusing
[17:21] <daftykins> n1md4: you're trying to install Mint, or?
[17:23] <n1md4> any linux really
[17:24] <n1md4> i have some success, it seems to depend on the 'boot policy' on the installer
[17:24] <n1md4> eg maddog linux 32bit seems to be booting
[17:24] <n1md4> and crungbang seems to too
[17:24] <daftykins> well we don't help with non-Ubuntu
[17:24] <daftykins> so you need to be aware of that right now
[17:24] <n1md4> wow
[17:25] <n1md4> i'd usually found this channel to be quite friendly
[17:25] <n1md4> and often wander off topic
[17:25] <n1md4> okay .... bye
[17:25] <daftykins> it is, but if you want $other_distro support, we're on a network with channels for all of those?
[17:25] <daftykins> what an idiot
[17:42] <mapps> heh
[17:44] <mapps> hm
[17:44] <mapps> running apt-get install is really slow on my pi
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> how much space do you have on the pi?
[17:51] <directhex> pi is terrible at IO
[17:51] <directhex> and many SD cards are garbaGE
[17:53] <mapps> yay cgiirc working..so i can irc at work
[17:53] <shauno> tsk tsk tsk
[17:53] <mapps> hm not sure but it seems slower than my pi at my house..coulkd it be because i overclocked mine and this isnt
[17:54] <shauno> they could be entirely different classes of SD card too.  they're a many varied bunch
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> which is a bit of a weak link for newbies
[20:11] <czajkowski> so anyone coming along for a drink or a bite to eat this wednesday in Surrey ?
[20:33] <dutchie> would do if i wasn't busy that evening :(
[20:49] <Azelphur> Anyone recommend any reasonably high spec/decent >=17" laptops that are cheap? :P
[20:49] <Azelphur> and yes, I know I'm probably asking for a unicorn
[20:51] <shauno> I think you already know the answer .. "pick two"
[20:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> cand if you're lucky get one :-)
[21:19] <dutchie> haha excellent
[21:19] <dutchie> https://twitter.com/VictoriaCoren/status/526845095010922496
[23:10] <celesteh> Hi, I accidentally deleted my certificate authority for StartSSL from firefox and now I can't log in to half the internet. How do I fix this?
[23:10] <daftykins> what's the file path?
[23:11] <celesteh> I don't know, this happened via the gui
[23:11] <daftykins> celesteh: not sure if those are specific to firefox, but the package ca-certificates might be reinstallable as an option
[23:12] <celesteh> daftykins: thx, will try that
[23:12] <daftykins> np
[23:18] <celesteh> hm, no luck, even after reboot
[23:20] <daftykins> celesteh: what was your command for the above package?


[14:59] <xu-irc12w> Hey!
[14:59] <xu-irc12w> Could could anyone help here? Is xubuntu redy for remote access?
[15:00] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc12w: what is remote access?
[15:01] <xu-irc12w> xrdp or xorg
[15:02] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc12w: is that something DE specific?
[15:05] <xu-irc12w> VPN access
[15:06] <diogenes_Vx15> VPN also has nothing to do with DE, it's network manager.
[20:57] <xu-irc68w> is there a xubuntu 18 server and where can i download the iso?
[21:07] <arraybolt3> xu-irc68w: Xubuntu does not have a server variant. There is Ubuntu 18.04 Server however.
[21:08] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu 18.04 goes out of support in April 2023, which is just a few months off. Are you sure you want to use that?
[21:09] <arraybolt3> The current latest version of Ubuntu Server LTS is 22.04, which is supposed to be supported until April 2027.
[21:15] <xu-irc68w> Thanks for the clarification. I do work with xubuntu 18 desktop on my job. I am more than reluctant to change to Ubuntu - packages included and I think the folder structure are different. Attempts  changing to xubuntu20 were painful - and I only will do it when I really have to do it and can dedicate the time. I do not recall fromt he top of my
[21:15] <xu-irc68w> head what network configuratons were, renamed, removed or changed changed.
[21:17] <xu-irc68w> I wanted to setup a xubutu 18 based  system with software raid. In principle it worked but one day late does not boot again. From looking around I figured that a server edition might simplify things. if it is not available, I will have to rethink.
[21:19] <xu-irc68w> Many thanks