[02:48] <IFR> Oh, yes? Thanks so much jgmbase
[02:49] <jgmbase> let me see if i can find the link
[02:49] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, that dhclient output is pretty standard for the "Can't find a freeking DHCP server boss.....  Sorry.....  :)"
[02:49] <StarMkeSE> Absenth no...static IP doesn't help... It tries to access , nothing happends but I don't get any failure message either
[02:49] <Absenth> that's odd.
[02:49] <_hp_> where is firefox installed by default in ubuntu?
[02:49] <Absenth> _hp_: I think it's /usr/local/bin
[02:50] <Absenth> _hp_: but don't quote me on that.
[02:50] <cspnic1> i have a sound problem when i launch totem he say that the sound serveur is busy
[02:50] <StarMkeSE> IFR I try to access the logon page but It doesn't find it
[02:50] <Absenth> _hp_, it's /usr/  and then either /bin, /share/ or /local/ followed by bin
[02:50] <HappyFool> _hp_: /usr/bin/firefox ?
[02:50] <HappyFool> try "dpkg -L mozilla-firefox|less" to find files you're looking for
[02:51] <Absenth> it's probibly also called 'mozilla'  but again don't quote me on that.
[02:51] <cyphase> does anyone know if Breezy is going to support clusters?
[02:51] <IFR> StarMkeSE, aha. Okay so you say you're using this device right now, so we can rule out cable problems and "is the unit plugged in" issues, right?
[02:51] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, I don't suppose the provider offers any *nix support at all?
[02:51] <_hp_> oh great, now i have two installations of firefox
[02:52] <HappyFool> cyphase: i think lwn.net has a link to page with proposed breezy features
[02:52] <StarMkeSE> IFR Yes, correct.. I have Linux on another partition in this machine. So I am connected to internet with Windows
[02:52] <HappyFool> what do you mean by clusters?
[02:52] <IFR> Absenth, if the modem stores the settings would we *care* whether the ISP supports *nix? I mean, wouldn't the modem be doing the connecting for us?
[02:52] <keffo> hm, HappyFool it says "wron amount of bytes"
[02:53] <StarMkeSE> Absenth My IPS support gives you 10 different answers and no of them are correct ;)
[02:53] <Absenth> IFR, if the modem isn't a router in the D-link/linksys form, it's not keeping any real helpful settings.
[02:53] <IFR> keffo, get the exact file size, divide by exactly 2 and use that number as your output file size
[02:53] <teroedni> hello
[02:53] <keffo> kk
[02:53] <IFR> Absenth, Ah, thanks. I'm not used to dealing with a device like this. I'll back off now cause you're more versed at this one!
[02:54] <teroedni> i have switch from using a ide cable on both cd and hardrive to have one on the cd and one on the hardrive
[02:54] <jamesio> morning...
[02:54] <HappyFool> what happens if the filesize isn't even?
[02:54] <capi> does anyone know a ftp server that supports virtual users and works on ubuntu?
[02:54] <teroedni> the problem is that the cd drive no longer are mounted
[02:54] <Absenth> IFR, not really, just know that the DSL modems we have at our remote sites at work don't store anything useful.  it's the cisco1700 behind them that do all the important stuff.
[02:54] <IFR> Right.
[02:54] <jamesio> anyone ever install klibido?
[02:54] <teroedni> someone want to help me please
[02:55] <jamesio> ter, what's wrong?
[02:55] <jamesio> teroedni, what's wrong
[02:55] <teroedni> when i try to mount cd i get special device dev hda does not exist
[02:55] <teroedni> which is true
[02:55] <HappyFool> keffo: sorry, i think -b might be a useless option
[02:55] <keffo> seems to work
[02:56] <keffo> its doing something
[02:56] <keffo> ;P
[02:56] <keffo> split -b 681624576 disso.avi disso.split <-
[02:56] <keffo> ;P
[02:56] <StarMkeSE> Absenth So what's the problem that it can't access any site?
[02:56] <teroedni> the cd is now hdc
[02:56] <HappyFool> yeah, i think the "something" is not what you want
[02:56] <teroedni> so how do i mount hdc then???
[02:56] <IFR> jgmbase any luck on that link? I cannot seem to find it
[02:57] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, at the moment, I would guess because you don't have an IP,  If you statically assign the info in linux, and attempt to ping the default gateway by IP what happens?
[02:57] <jamesio> teroedni, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountcddvdromunhide helped me
[02:57] <Guybrush|Numb> hi all
[02:57] <IIIEars> StarMkSE - Just curious have made adjustments to iptables or added a firewall??
[02:57] <StarMkeSE> Absenth Well I don't get any resolving back..
[02:58] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody can tell where to set the preferred app to lauch on Video DVD insertion on hoary ? I want to use VLC instead of totem
[02:58] <IFR> Keffo, you really should read the man split file which specifies how to state the sizes ...
[02:58] <Absenth> IIIEars, that's a great question, I hadn't thought of.
[02:58] <keffo> works fine
[02:58] <IFR> GREAT!
[02:58] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, is that pinging a name, or an ip?
[02:59] <IFR> Congrats. That's a really cool tool, keffo, glad you found it!
[02:59] <jamesio> anyone ever install klibido?
[02:59] <keffo> works very good ;P
[02:59] <keffo> luvleh tool
[02:59] <StarMkeSE> Absenth An IP
[02:59] <IIIEars> "klibido"? - (insert viagra joke here.)
[03:00] <jamesio> iii, it's the closest thing I can find to the windows program "newsbin"
[03:00] <IIIEars> newsbin is a good app :)
[03:00] <IFR> keffo, you can output, as you discovered accidentally, multiple splits of a file, too, which can be useful
[03:00] <StarMkeSE> Absenth I would have a name like h....telia.com
[03:00] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, hmmm... statically assigned IP, subnet, dg, and dns, on a realtek based pci nic, and we can't get out.......  hmmm....
[03:01] <keffo> well, it didnt work really.. checked the other file now..
[03:01] <George__> hi
[03:01] <keffo> doesn work
[03:01] <IFR> Ah.
[03:01] <jamesio> IIIEars, I've got the source for klibido, installed all the libraries necessary, installed uudeview, but yet klibido configure says it's not installed
[03:01] <keffo> the timeline in my mediaplayer just goes, no minutes.. no nothing
[03:01] <keffo> :<
[03:01] <StarMkeSE> Absenth Nope...When I try to reach login1.telia.com, nothind happends...try to resolve all the time
[03:01] <George__> trying to do menu editing any ideas on how 2, cant find the menu editor
[03:01] <Absenth> starmkese, one second, grab a pen.
[03:02] <keffo> and there seems to be problems on the first one aswell, since there is no minutes.. and when i go forward the movie hang :<
[03:02] <IFR> keffo You want to split the files and then play each piece? Something about the debian motto comes to mind...
[03:02] <Absenth> StarMkeSE, ping <IP_ADDRESS> from linux, after statically assigning everything.
[03:02] <IFR> keffo, sorry about that - I did warn I didn't know if split would work with .avi. Anyone else have any ideas? Could be a useful thing to know
[03:03] <misieq> hi!
[03:03] <sorsis> has anyone thought to make livecd which knows howto boot windows also?
[03:03] <keffo> yes
[03:03] <HappyFool> i imagine you'll need a specialized app, or a video editor
[03:03] <sorsis> or then i could select to skip livecds bootting
[03:03] <Absenth> keffo, IFR, google: +linux +video editing
[03:03] <misieq> how can i check version of my ubuntu? because i'm pretty puzzled..
[03:03] <IFR> Thanks, Absenth!
[03:03] <StarMkeSE> Absenth I'll try this and I'll return in a minute or two
[03:03] <jamesio> sorsis... yeah, it's called "taking the cd out of the machine"
[03:04] <sorsis> misieq: select system from top of of gnome, then about ubuntu.
[03:04] <sorsis> jamesio: but i'm laszyyyy
[03:04] <misieq> yes, that's the thing which makes me puzzled
[03:04] <HappyFool> misieq: cat /etc/issue ?
[03:04] <jeroen_> sorsis, suse does that
[03:04] <sorsis> jeroen_: but i want ubuntu :)
[03:04] <jamesio> sorsis... hehe.. I guess the developers aren't
[03:04] <misieq> oh, i'll try this, HappyFool
[03:05] <sorsis> jamesio: something like whats with winxp installcd. it asks to press button if you want to use bootapp of installcd
[03:05] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody can tell where to set the preferred app to lauch on Video DVD insertion on hoary ? I want to use VLC instead of totem
[03:05] <teroedni> get the same message
[03:05] <teroedni> and if i try cdrom1 2 3 4 i  get
[03:06] <George__> what i do with a .deb?
[03:06] <ashen_> dpkg
[03:06] <misieq> yes, yes... it's 5.04... But why the hell 'Desktop->About Ubuntu' gives me a firefox window with "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 4.10: The Warty Warthog Release" header??
[03:06] <jeroen_> George__, dpgk -i blabla.deb
[03:06] <g0tro0t> :-)
[03:06] <George__> yeah just found :D
[03:06] <ashen_> George: dpkg --install thing.deb
[03:06] <jamesio> sorsis, I knew what you meant.  sorry about the joke
[03:06] <ashen_> haha
[03:06] <teroedni> cant find media/cdrom3 / in /etc/fsstab or/etc/mtab
[03:06] <sorsis> jamesio: no problem. i'm not offended about that.
[03:07] <misieq> HappyFool, do u have a clue?
[03:07] <Corvus> http://www.haiztek.tk
[03:07] <jamesio> sorsis, last night was the first time I ran ubuntu on my main machine.  only have about 10 days experience with it.
[03:07] <HappyFool> misieq: err. no. Did you upgrade from warty to hoary?
[03:07] <IFR> George_: check this link for everything you need to know about apt-get http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05
[03:07] <Corvus> uch!
[03:07] <Corvus> wrong window! :(
[03:07] <misieq> nope
[03:07] <jamesio> sorsis, took about 20 minutes just to figure out that the ubuntu nvidia drive didn't like my system.
[03:08] <antix> is there a deb for the new firefox out there?
[03:08] <sorsis> jamesio: i have used about 1h and 20min ubuntu and i like it :)
[03:08] <HappyFool> misieq: hrm. i get a 'Yelp' window with 'Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04' ...
[03:08] <sorsis> jamesio: everything seems to run well
[03:08] <Absenth> hmmmm..... it's 8:08 am,  think I should make the 12cup pot of coffee, or the 45cup pot?
[03:08] <HappyFool> misieq: err, that's with System -> About Ubuntu
[03:09] <sorsis> jamesio: only thing that annoys me is that opengl is so slow compared to windows
[03:09] <HappyFool> Absenth: been up all night? ;)
[03:09] <sorsis> misieq: have gone to 5.04 by upgrading?
[03:09] <misieq> no, clean install
[03:09] <jamesio> sorsis, that's probably because you're having the same problem as I did... even though I installed all the nvidia stuff, it never "kicked in"
[03:09] <Absenth> HappyFool, i think I got 2 or 3 hours in there somewhere
[03:09] <misieq> HappyFool, it might be - i used localized version
[03:10] <jamesio> sorsis, I uninstalled it all and then downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia, booted into recovery mode and installed it... make a couple changes to my x config and all is well
[03:10] <HappyFool> localized version of?
[03:10] <misieq> HappyFool, It opens file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html site in ff window
[03:10] <jamesio> sorsis, it appears as fast, if not faster
[03:10] <misieq> Ubuntu. I mean i have chosen pl during install
[03:10] <IIIEars> << Nvidia drivers work great - OpenGL slower?  - installed UT99 thismorning it works as well as in window.
[03:10] <sorsis> jamesio: thanks for the tip. i'll try that. do you have geforce6 allso?
[03:11] <George__> Nvdia driver working great!!!!
[03:11] <IIIEars> er windows -
[03:11] <jamesio> sorsis, nah... just a 5200 right now.
[03:11] <George__> it's been freezeing ET and UT
[03:11] <George__> i have a TI4800-8X
[03:11] <George__> i swear it's -8X 2
[03:11] <marcel_> Does anyone know what sort of wait there is for Ubuntu Cds being sent?
[03:11] <HappyFool> misieq: ok, maybe that's it... i don't know, sorry
[03:11] <ashen_> opengl should be faster
[03:11] <IFR> jgmbase, found the link and apt-getting it now. It's apparently as easy as udo apt-get install xfce4 (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22416.html)
[03:11] <jamesio> sorsis, dual amd 2400, 2 gigs, 1.2 terabytes hd space, dell 20.1" lcd monitor & 2 Dell 18" lcds
[03:11] <marcel_> RE from the website
[03:12] <George__> i ordered 50, like 2 months back came yesterday
[03:12] <George__> sick....
[03:12] <George__> jamesio. Nice machine
[03:12] <jamesio> thanks
[03:12] <marcel_> hrm
[03:12] <jamesio> I'm trying my ass off to figure out how to get the other 2 monitors to load up
[03:12] <ashen_> if you type "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" she should fix any problems you're having with the x config not being right
[03:12] <ashen_> for opengl
[03:12] <misieq> HappyFool, well.. thanks anyway. it made me confused... but i'm sure it's hoary now
[03:12] <ashen_> not working fast
[03:12] <ashen_> that is
[03:13] <ashen_> jamesio: you read the nvidia readme... I just skimmed past their multiple monitor thing then
[03:13] <Absenth> going with the 12cup coffee Maker.  the 45 takes too long to brew, I'd be in a coma by the time it finishes.,
[03:13] <ashen_> ???
[03:13] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - is great - most things really do run faster in linux - i thought all linux users were just making up a story
[03:13] <sorsis> marcel_: i ordered mine allmost instantly when possible and got those few days ago. main reason for the delay was that 5.04 was not finished when i ordered.
[03:13] <jamesio> ashen_, I actually didn't see that... I'll go check it out in a few
[03:14] <ashen_> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt
[03:14] <jamesio> I'm also trying to figure out why klibido fails on configure at uudeview
[03:14] <Xik0> how can i change my ip address? for example <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:14] <ashen_> if you're using the 7174 drivers
[03:14] <Xik0> ?
[03:14] <ashen_> system
[03:14] <sorsis> marcel_: you get your images faster byt downloading i bet, but ordering is so easy and you get 10 copies of install and livecds to give those to your friends allso
[03:14] <ashen_> admin
[03:14] <ashen_> networking
[03:14] <jamesio> ashen_, if that's the latest, I got them last night
[03:14] <ashen_> mhmm
[03:14] <ashen_> thats it.
[03:14] <Absenth> on a *nix related question.  i don't suppose anyone has a link to a great Unix SMTP anti-virus gateway
[03:14] <ashen_> jamesio: I'm currently trying to get my card not to stall :p
[03:14] <George__> i got a AMD Sempron 1800 OC to 2.15. Corsair XMS 3200 (1GB), Dell P110, SIS 741GX-M, 40GB HD, 80GB HD, 20GB HD, 10GB HD, 16 GB HD, 2X CD Burner, LG DVD ROM, Old Sound Blaster, USB Hubs, Dell Speakers, Altec Lensing speakers, Hollywood 2 speakers, microsoft wireless optical mouse, Thermaltake 350Watt Power Supply.
[03:15] <ashen_> just got a new one... yesterday
[03:15] <George__> i upgrading though...
[03:15] <marcel_> sorsis: I live in New Zealand, so i'm assuming i'll be waiting another month
[03:15] <George__> case some wierd 1 with haandle
[03:15] <George__> i'm on ADSL
[03:15] <George__> lol but i only pay for DSL
[03:15] <jamesio> george, I also have a celeron 2.4, 1 gig, 40 gig boot, 6 internal 160 gig drives and 7 external usb2 300 gig drives sitting behind me
[03:15] <George__> LOL!
[03:15] <George__> i'm only 13..
[03:15] <Absenth> Drive envy.
[03:15] <George__> that's not it too
[03:15] <IFR> Hey guys, up and running on xfce4 and this is s w e e t
[03:15] <jamesio> geor, I'm 36...
[03:16] <George__> lol u old man !
[03:16] <ashen_> haha
[03:16] <ashen_> yeh
[03:16] <jamesio> geor, no kidding...
[03:16] <sorsis> marcel_: oh :) i just haven't used to that most people in world have slower connection than i do because in my country i have pretty slow connection :)
[03:16] <George__> i got a smoothwall, and a samba server
[03:16] <ashen_> xfce4 is the win
[03:16] <Absenth> I have access to 40u full of Netapps equipment totaling 12terabytes
[03:16] <jamesio> absen, is that for work?
[03:16] <Absenth> jamesio, yes it's at work.
[03:16] <IFR> ashen_ it rocks!
[03:16] <George__> Dad has lots of computer parts. he owns a store
[03:16] <ashen_> absenth: steal it for me
[03:17] <George__> the biggest hd i have is a 300GB but it's on the SERVER
[03:17] <George__> i can't take it OUT!
[03:17] <jamesio> if I went into what I have at work... you'd all shoot me
[03:17] <ashen_> IFR: I have it on my laptop
[03:17] <IIIEars> Er.. when my wife asks why i want more computer gear - can you explain it to her for me George__?
[03:17] <marcel_> sorsis, Finland?
[03:17] <sorsis> marcel_: yup.
[03:17] <jamesio> psssst... just got a dell 24" lcd for my work desktop
[03:17] <George__> Lol.... It's addictive. Always want Faster
[03:17] <hey2k5> can someone tell me where the packages that are installed on the system are? (the list)
[03:17] <George__> I HATE LCD, Bad for Gaming
[03:17] <ashen_> dpkg might be able to list em for you
[03:17] <jamesio> geor, then you haven't seen the dell lcd's
[03:17] <Absenth> ashen_ heh I think at $250k they might press charges.
[03:18] <IIIEars> "" LCD - Huge CRTs -
[03:18] <HappyFool> hey2k5: you can use synaptic to find out
[03:18] <marcel_> sorsis, when did you order your CDs?
[03:18] <George__> But i do play CS SOURCE using my Plasma Screen TV lol
[03:18] <George__> no the Dell LCD is nice
[03:18] <George__> i know
[03:18] <hey2k5> ok, thanks
[03:18] <George__> in general i hate lcd
[03:18] <ashen_> Absenth: yeh... on you tho... it'd be totally sweet!
[03:18] <jamesio> George__, I play ut on it all the time
[03:18] <ashen_> Absenth: flawless plan!
[03:18] <sorsis> marcel_: more than month ago. maybe two or more. i'm not sure.
[03:18] <Absenth> ashen_: that think is wicked, if a drive fails not only does it page us, it orders a replacement drive for us, and e-mails us the tracking numbers
[03:18] <George__> i use a 54" big screen  that we use to watch dvds and movies on
[03:18] <HappyFool> hey2k5: System -> Administration -> Synaptic, Status (bottom left) then Installed (in the left list)
[03:18] <George__> better than gay 21" dell screen
[03:18] <IIIEars> jamesio - me too installed ut'99 yesterday - amazing how fast it is.
[03:18] <ashen_> Absenth: I love technology
[03:19] <ashen_> :p
[03:19] <Absenth> Geroge_ I'm using a 12" screen.
[03:19] <George__> IIIEar ur system Specs?
[03:19] <jamesio> IIIEars, ut99???
[03:19] <hey2k5> thanks HappyFool
[03:19] <George__> LOL, i am using a 15" as we speak
[03:19] <ashen_> I need to get my card working
[03:19] <ashen_> *cries*
[03:19] <sorsis> IIIEars: you mean unreal tournament?
[03:19] <ashen_> someone who has a 6600 help me!
[03:19] <lypanov> dum
[03:19] <Absenth> George_ it's attached to a <5lb notebook that has been on the battery for the last 3 hours.
[03:19] <IIIEars> The original Unreal Tournament.
[03:19] <lypanov> how on earth can i make my apt-get work again?
[03:19] <jamesio> IIIEars, ah...
[03:19] <ashen_> lypanov: depends on the problem
[03:20] <George__> i bought a FX5600 spend back, i bought a ATI 9600SE sent back, then i got a Ti4200-8x and flashed bios to TI4800 and it's been kicking FX5600 and FX5700 arse
[03:20] <lypanov> ashen_: -f install gives : : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:20] <George__> dad is bit ticked though. I'm using my allowence on computers 2 much
[03:20] <lypanov> ashen_: and everything else says, use -f install
[03:20] <lypanov> and all i did was get a full hdd while installing a pkg
[03:20] <George__> hmm. Question y do i have to do killall esd to make wolf et boot?
[03:20] <ashen_> ...-_-' is it still full?
[03:20] <ashen_> :p
[03:20] <jamesio> for a good laugh, http://www.geocities.com/JamesIO/chase.png   that is about a 5 month old picture of my computer set up
[03:20] <George__> y is the nvidia driver still fooking with me
[03:21] <George__> my website is: stephen.nexlinks.net
[03:21] <jamesio> don't mind my son in the pic... he thought it was cool that the monitors were that big
[03:21] <lypanov> ashen_: nope i'm not that silly :P
[03:21] <ashen_> the nvidia driver is fooking with everyone george
[03:21] <George__> ur married james
[03:21] <jamesio> yes
[03:21] <George__> wow dual monitors
[03:21] <jamesio> 2 kids,
[03:21] <jamesio> George__, look again
[03:21] <ashen_> lypanov: have you tried getting a deb and dpkging manually... just to see what it returns?
[03:21] <George__> i know 4
[03:21] <George__> or more
[03:21] <George__> Steve has like 7
[03:21] <George__> he's a computer html coder/programmer pretty sick
[03:22] <George__> nice...
[03:22] <jamesio> if I had more slots, I could do 5 dell lcd monitors...
[03:22] <ashen_> lypanov: or do "man dpkg" and see if it tells you what error code 1 means
[03:22] <George__> how much ur electric bills?
[03:22] <IIIEars> lol - thats great! - my desk looks like that too. - no room for my knees under the desk. - too many machines
[03:22] <jamesio> George__, actually... very little
[03:22] <George__> very little? bs
[03:22] <Absenth> http://www.darksidepraetorians.com/absenth/lan-large.gif
[03:22] <jamesio> George__, about 90$ a month
[03:22] <George__> wow... how?
[03:22] <IIIEars> Had to run an extension cord from the other room. just drawing too much juice - grin
[03:23] <jamesio> George__, I live in Louisiana... electricity isn't that expensive here
[03:23] <George__> O u lucky.
[03:23] <George__> we pay like 200 bux a month almost
[03:23] <jamesio> in Michigan, my electric was about $300
[03:23] <jamesio> but I didn't have lcd's at the time
[03:23] <George__> wow, i outta move to where u live
[03:23] <jamesio> and had 2 racks in my room
[03:23] <teroedni> ok hope i can get some more help
[03:23] <George__> lcd power savers?
[03:23] <ashen_> we pay... 450 a month... ish
[03:23] <George__> Teroendi what u neeD?
[03:23] <ashen_> electricity that is
[03:23] <glauc> hey, quick question, how do I search for a package?
[03:24] <jeroen_> glauc, with synaptic?
[03:24] <Absenth> our power bill is roughly $100 a month, give or take.
[03:24] <jamesio> George__, my 5 lcd monitors draw less power than my 21" crt does
[03:24] <HappyFool> use synaptic
[03:24] <b3ar1n0> giauc apt-cache aptitude:)
[03:24] <glauc> k thanks
[03:24] <HappyFool> click the 'search' button ;)
[03:24] <George__> amazing only paying 200 bux when we have a working server rack, samba server, upstairs machine, downstairs machine, basement machine X2,
[03:24] <teroedni> my cdrom is hdc but mstab or fstab doent contains hdc??
[03:24] <George__> and more
[03:24] <ashen_> but we have... 5 computers always-on... plus... a freaking huge tv... and you know... all of the sort of appliences that eat power.
[03:24] <George__> my dad is crazier
[03:24] <glauc> I dont have a GUI, i'm trying to install the xfree86-xorg packages
[03:24] <mijndert> my parents are mad at me, electric bills are to high.. (Holland)
[03:24] <jamesio> me too...  How can get Firefox 1.0.4 (the latest version) without any problems or software conflict? can anyone please teach me, a newbie?
[03:27] <George__> but i have no screensaver, and i just playing AA and it freeze
[03:27] <jamesio> I'm running the new nvidia drivers...
[03:27] <George__> jeff_co u doNT nneed
[03:27] <jamesio> but I'm also running the k7-smp kernel
[03:27] <ashen_> sounds like the new drives are giving us all strive
[03:27] <ashen_> *strife
[03:27] <ashen_> I'm reverting to 6629 or whatever they  are
[03:28] <George__> i have a amd k-5, and a i486 that was like 2,000 bux bak then
[03:28] <HappyFool> teroedni: hrm, have you tried just editing /etc/fstab ?
[03:28] <George__> ti's fully loaded
[03:28] <George__> i have a atari that works 2
[03:28] <jamesio> George__, I have an apple //e in my closet that was about $3000 before you were born
[03:28] <George__> i have a apple 2
[03:28] <George__> i was born in 1992
[03:28] <jamesio> ok, now it's official... I'm old.   once you use "before you were born"
[03:28] <teroedni> would that help?
[03:28] <George__> i have a atari... that's old 2
[03:28] <IIIEars> lol
[03:29] <ashen_>  haha
[03:29] <George__> lol. It looks more like a type writer 2 me
[03:29] <jamesio> George__, but what you don't understand is that the apple //e in my closet was mine when I was 12
[03:29] <jamesio> and it still works
[03:29] <George__> LOL. Good job!
[03:29] <IIIEars> owned a new commodore.
[03:29] <George__> i'm 13 so i outta keep everything i got now good
[03:29] <ashen_> haha
[03:29] <jeff_co> George__,  but it makes it easier to download extensions at  the mozzila website.
[03:29] <ashen_> those old apples never break
[03:29] <HappyFool> teroedni: well, i don't know how to reconfigure /etc/fstab; that will work
[03:29] <George__> so NVIDIA (latest) been giving problems 2 people?
[03:29] <ashen_> apple have always built things solid as a brick
[03:29] <HappyFool> teroedni: what happens when you put a cd in the drive? it doesn't get automounted?
[03:29] <jamesio> evidently...
[03:29] <Absenth> IIEars, I also owned a new commodore 64:)
[03:29] <George__> jeff_co: it does? i just install and it works :D
[03:30] <ashen_> they even used to look like bricks
[03:30] <George__> hmm
[03:30] <George__> u sure?
[03:30] <runedude> hiya, all.. i just installed ubuntu 5.04 hoary and it never prompted me for a root password.... is there a default?
[03:30] <Absenth> IIIEars, 64k of ram was a lot back then.
[03:30] <ashen_> nope
[03:30] <jeff_co> are you on firefox 1.0,2?
[03:30] <jeff_co> George__,
[03:30] <jeff_co> ?
[03:30] <ashen_> ubuntu doesn't have a root account
[03:30] <teroedni> yup it doesnt
[03:30] <George__> yup
[03:30] <jamesio> runedude, you may want to read up on the security in ubuntu
[03:30] <HappyFool> runedude: root is disabled; use 'sudo'
[03:30] <ashen_> use sudo and your password
[03:30] <jamesio> *YOU* are the root
[03:30] <George__> hmm. I never seen this
[03:30] <George__> it wants me to update
[03:30] <teroedni> it is in my bios
[03:30] <ashen_> or "sudo -s" to switch to root for a terminal session
[03:30] <George__> wow...
[03:30] <Absenth> so no-one here is a network administrator type, is that a rather correcct assumption?
[03:30] <ashen_> (so you dont have to keep typing sudo)
[03:31] <IIIEars> it was huge - and audio tape drives added the needed storage for programs
[03:31] <marcel_> Is that secure?!
[03:31] <George__> jeff_co: sorry didn't know this was here. I was on last night and it was fine...
[03:31] <marcel_> RE no root
[03:31] <ashen_> Absenth: what do you mean?
[03:31] <Dalkus> yeah, its secure
[03:31] <jamesio> Absenth, well I'm an IT Director for a medical company, but we only use Windows
[03:31] <HappyFool> teroedni: does sudo mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 work ?
[03:31] <Dalkus> it's said to be more secure, but thats a matter of opinion
[03:31] <Dalkus> HappyFool, yes
[03:31] <Absenth> I'm ISO a good howto, on a *nix based SMTP virus filtering gateway.
[03:31] <runedude> HappyFool, I want root....
[03:31] <HappyFool> Dalkus: err, hmm ?
[03:31] <runedude> jamesio, where can I find that?
[03:31] <Dalkus> sorry wrong nic
[03:31] <Dalkus> *nick
[03:31] <teroedni> havent tried restarted now and switch the drive from master to slave
[03:31] <marcel_> Why has the root/user system been messed around with?
[03:32] <Absenth> I would assume it's going to use postfix, and then something to manage the virus scanning of all the mail that passes through,
[03:32] <HappyFool> runedude: look on ubuntuguide.org to enable root
[03:32] <teroedni> will try when im in thanks:)
[03:32] <ashen_> runedude.... dont enable root
[03:32] <runedude> why?
[03:32] <ashen_> runedude: once you get used to it its so much better
[03:32] <George__> i get u http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:32] <George__> i get u http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:32] <Absenth> Jamesio, you guys use something like Symantec's SMTP-Antivirus Gateway?
[03:32] <George__> jeff_co  u http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:32] <ashen_> runedude: besides, you never want to run a session in root neway...
[03:32] <runedude> sudo blows
[03:33] <runedude> i never could use it
[03:33] <runedude> it always returned errors
[03:33] <jeroen_> runedude, than sudo -s
[03:33] <HappyFool> runedude: see ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <ashen_> runedude: O_o
[03:33] <glauc> so sudo and set the root pw and then use root
[03:33] <IIIEars> HappyFool - aliasing your frequently used commands works too.
[03:33] <glauc> thats what I did
[03:33] <ashen_> runedude: okay then... whatevers good :p
[03:33] <glauc> is ubuntu still the #1 downloaded distro?
[03:33] <runedude> lol
[03:33] <George__> hey abesenth how u do that?
[03:33] <glauc> Absenth: I run root on my apple too :)
[03:33] <runedude> it still asks for a password to sudo w/
[03:34] <runedude> ok i got it
[03:34] <Absenth> George__ do what?
[03:34] <runedude> thanks cya
[03:34] <runedude> and ill try to use sudo
[03:34] <George__> that think
[03:34] <George__> yeah that
[03:34] <George__> how
[03:34] <Absenth> ahhh.....  /me
[03:34] <jeffco> George__,
[03:35] <George__> jeffco u can jjust upgrade
[03:35] <George__> i upgraded now, works fine
[03:35] <George__> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34099
[03:35] <jeffco>  George__ , i read the link, what's backporting? is backporting the same as upgrading?
[03:35] <topyli> glauc: how can we know if it ever was?
[03:35] <ashen_> yay for kernel headers!
[03:35] <Absenth> jeffco, what are you trying to upgrade from/to?
[03:35] <George__> hell, i just dled the 1.0.4 tar.gz and installed
[03:36] <George__> apt-get remove firefox
[03:36] <ashen_> backporting is making code thats made for a newer system work on an old one... I think
[03:36] <George__> the fook,
[03:36] <George__> i wasnt in console
[03:36] <zenlunatic> Is there a way to centralize bookmarks over multiple systems?
[03:36] <ashen_> like running... gnome bittorrent on warty
[03:36] <George__> noooo, how do i delete firefox
[03:36] <George__> i know.
[03:36] <ashen_> synaptic george.
[03:36] <ashen_> why would you want to tho
[03:36] <George__> na add ore remove
[03:36] <Absenth> zenlunatic, yes, but its far too early for me to come up with an exact howto.
[03:36] <jamesio> Absenth, we use scanmail from trend micro
[03:37] <Absenth> jamesio, any idea what that runs annually?
[03:37] <jamesio> sorry, ran off to find info for runedude (of course he left before I came back)
[03:37] <ashen_> google it zenlunatic... shouldn't be too hard to find
[03:37] <ashen_> :)
[03:37] <jeffco> from firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4, Absenth .
[03:37] <Absenth> George___, closer to thirty then I'd like.
[03:37] <George__> ur old man
[03:37] <Absenth> jeffco, sudo apt-get update,  sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:37] <jamesio> Absenth, it depends on the number of users, but trust me... it's the best and cheapest of the lot.  plus you can buy a whole suite that will do all servers, desktops and your email systems/gateways
[03:38] <ashen_> okeeh... gonna try some old nvidia drivers... wish me luck :p (bbs)
[03:38] <Absenth> jeffco, unless 1.0.4 hasn't made it into apt-get yet.
[03:38] <jamesio> Absenth, and they all will auto-update daily and NEVER crash or fail.  plus they all use the same dat file
[03:38] <teroedni> wow:9
[03:38] <George__> absenth, i just installed
[03:38] <jamesio> Absenth, brb... food
[03:38] <George__> freaken working fine :D, gonna try extensions
[03:38] <Absenth> jamesio, I'm starting a new job june 1 as the network administrator for a 15 user office.  I think Norton's is $550 a year.
[03:38] <teroedni> i get you most specify the filesytem type what do do???
[03:39] <HappyFool> teroedni: is there a CD in the drive?
[03:39] <teroedni> yes
[03:39] <George__> Norton is garbage
[03:39] <jamesio> Absenth, trust me... I used Norton, Mcafee and a slew of others and Trend Micro was the best and cheapest
[03:40] <HappyFool> teroedni: just a moment, let me try it here
[03:40] <Absenth> Jamesio, I'll look into that for sure.  I know there are packages to do it in unix as well, but I do like having someone to call if it all goes south.
[03:40] <teroedni> okey:)
[03:40] <George__> ooo, wtf
[03:40] <HappyFool> teroedni: try 'sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0'
[03:40] <George__> it's still firefox 1.0.2
[03:40] <George__> ahahha
[03:40] <HappyFool> are you *sure* /dev/hdc is your cdrom ?
[03:40] <George__> it's mostly /media/something
[03:41] <Bramme> it takes 5 minutes to boot OOo (version1.1.3 , Ubuntu Linux), while it took only 5 seconds on the same machine with debian... i just get the splash screen when the loading-bar is full, the splash stays for a couple of minutes without any proc or disk activity
[03:41] <teroedni> now no its hdd but i changed it when i are typing
[03:41] <HappyFool> well, are you sure it's whatever you're typing :-)
[03:41] <HappyFool> anyway, did that mount command work?
[03:41] <jeffco> Absenth, i ran sudo apt-get update. nothing happened.
[03:41] <jamesio> Absenth, it's worth trying out...
[03:41] <George__> where u root?
[03:42] <George__> wow... what a pain in the buttox?
[03:42] <jeffco> is it safe to install Firefox 1.0.4? what will i then do with the 1.0.2 which Ubuntu installed?
[03:42] <George__> it wont upgrade to 1.0.4
[03:42] <teroedni> okey now it comes some information
[03:42] <Absenth> jeffco, nothing?
[03:42] <HappyFool> jeff_co: if you install it in your home directory, it should be fine
[03:43] <jeffco> Absenth, Fetched 34.1kB in 2s (11.7kB/s)
[03:43] <jeffco> Reading package lists... Done
[03:43] <jeffco> HappyFool, George__ , what do i do with 1.0.2? do i delete it?
[03:43] <Absenth> jeffco, sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:43] <George__> ... i guess if u WANT 2
[03:43] <HappyFool> jeffco: i wouldn't bother
[03:43] <jeffco> do i have any use for backports?
[03:43] <George__> but if u install it on the desktop, i guessing u can use both
[03:43] <George__> but u can remove
[03:43] <HappyFool> you aren't going to get 1.0.4 from the ubuntu repositories
[03:43] <Absenth> jeffco, update tells it to find what new packages exist,  upgrade tells it to install all the updated programs.
[03:44] <George__> use synaptic
[03:44] <George__> to remove
[03:44] <George__> i always have error when doing apt-get update
[03:44] <HappyFool> teroedni: are you getting anywhere?
[03:44] <George__> illegal sources
[03:44] <Absenth> Jamesio, thanks for the heads up on trendmicro.
[03:44] <jeffco> if i remove 1.0.2 (via synaptic as you recommend), there is no danger/ software problems, right, George__  and HappyFool  and Absenth ?
[03:44] <George__> yeah no danger
[03:44] <teroedni> i getmedia/crom does not exist
[03:45] <George__> just UNINSTALL firefox only
[03:45] <HappyFool> jeffco: no, synaptic will check for dependencies
[03:45] <George__> wait, dont ask me anymore
[03:45] <George__> i dunno what i'm talking aout
[03:45] <Absenth> wow, 3 hours on the battery, and I'm still at 55%
[03:45] <jeffco> okay i finished downloading 1.0.4, now how do i install it?
[03:45] <George__> it's tar.bz?
[03:45] <George__> it's tar.gz?
[03:46] <jamesio> Absenth, the one thing I will say: in the 3 years since we've switched to it... we've never had it fail/crash.  it never needs minding other than the occasional log review
[03:46] <George__> right click on the firefox, extract here
[03:46] <jeffco> yes, it's tar.gz
[03:46] <jamesio> Absenth, we have desktops auto-install/update at boot and also at night (if left running)
[03:46] <teroedni> but the device manager list it as matshita cr585
[03:46] <George__> u wanna do console?
[03:47] <HappyFool> ah crap, by cdrom is b0rked
[03:47] <George__> tar -xzvf or something i dunno
[03:47] <teroedni> block device string dev/hdd so it is here
[03:47] <jeffco> George__,  u talking to me?
[03:47] <George__> sure
[03:47] <George__> did u extract to desktop? or home folder?
[03:47] <jeffco> sure.
[03:47] <Absenth> jamesio, fantastic.  that's how the health department runs their symantec system.
[03:47] <HappyFool> teroedni: do you get this error: "mount: No medium found" ?
[03:47] <jeffco> any easy way to install the tar.gz files
[03:47] <George__> yeah
[03:47] <anathema> does anyone here use VLC ?
[03:47] <George__> i private message u sec
[03:47] <anathema> to play files
[03:48] <jamesio> Absenth, and the install took less than an hour...
[03:48] <teroedni> i get media/cdrom0 doesnt exist
[03:48] <HappyFool> oh
[03:48] <HappyFool> oops
[03:48] <anathema> the hotkeys dont work worth shit it seems
[03:48] <topyli> teroedni: well does it? :)
[03:48] <HappyFool> does /media/cdrom0 exist ?
[03:48] <Absenth> jamesio, so what' your running for mail, is attached to the exchange/domino server?  or is it a gateway product that then forwards mail to exchange/domino/postfix/sendmail
[03:49] <teroedni> how do i find out that?
[03:49] <HappyFool> teroedni: try 'ls -d /media/cdrom0'
[03:49] <HappyFool> note /media/cdrom0 , not media/cdrom0
[03:49] <jamesio> Absenth, it runs on the exchange server.
[03:49] <Absenth> jamesio, perfect.
[03:49] <jamesio> Absenth, they also make a gateway product, but it's not really necessary
[03:50] <teroedni> it says with blue   /media/cdrom0
[03:50] <HappyFool> ok, that's goo
[03:50] <Absenth> jamesio, it might be, we have an exchange server for in the office mail, but a postfix server for our web site customers.
[03:50] <HappyFool> try the mount command again
[03:50] <HappyFool> but remember it's /media/cdrom0, not media/cdrom0
[03:50] <Absenth> jamesio, assuming we want to provide virus filtering for their mailboxes as well.
[03:50] <HappyFool> sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0
[03:51] <jamesio> Absenth, true... we only run our single mail server.  heck, it's still exchange 5.5
[03:51] <Absenth> George__ you're 13 right?
[03:51] <George__> yeah
[03:51] <we2by> is there a root account on Ubuntu?
[03:51] <jamesio> yup, he's a youngin
[03:51] <George__> what that meaN? youngin!
[03:51] <Absenth> George___, I have a computer in my closet that's as old as you are.
[03:51] <bassMonkey> I have to ask, i'd like to try out a program without really installing it so if i'd do a 'configure' and then 'make', not doing a 'make install' nothing would actually leave the directory i'm compiling in?
[03:51] <George__> lol
[03:51] <Absenth> George___ 114mhz SGI Indy.
[03:51] <George__> i have a 2mhz
[03:52] <HappyFool> we2by: it's disabled by default. use 'sudo' for admin tasks
[03:52] <jamesio> we2by, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:52] <jamesio> Absenth, same here...
[03:52] <Absenth> George___ with a MIPS R4400 processor.  And as a Mips-Debian box, it smokes my Celeron 500 in most CLI based tasks.
[03:52] <we2by> why is that so?
[03:52] <George__> lol
[03:52] <HappyFool> bassMonkey: yeah. I usually do ./configure --prefix=$HOME/usr   -- then it gets installed in my home-dir
[03:52] <jamesio> we2by, read the link I posted to you
[03:53] <topyli> bassMonkey: that's right
[03:53] <teroedni> and tehn comes you most specify the filesystem type
[03:53] <bassMonkey> ok, thanks
[03:53] <HappyFool> teroedni:   try sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0
[03:53] <ashen_> the 7167 drivers havent crashed yet
[03:53] <jamesio> ok, can anyone help me with klibido stopping on configure complaining about uudeview not being installed?  (even though it's installed properly)
[03:54] <ashen_> not me.
[03:54] <ashen_> :p
[03:55] <Ashims> yay
[03:55] <Ashims> my name changed
[03:55] <Ashims> :p
[03:55] <bennoh> Just tried to install Firefox 1.0.4 and it gives an error stating: cant open library xpistub
[03:55] <Ashims> k... gonna crash it now... here we go
[03:55] <Ashims> (go tuxracer)
[03:55] <teroedni> wrong fs type bad option bad superblock on /dev/hdd
[03:56] <Ashims> well... the menu worked...
[03:56] <teroedni> missing codepages or other error
[03:56] <HappyFool> teroedni: hmm
[03:56] <HappyFool> on which ide bus is the cd-rom installed?
[03:56] <Absenth> has anyone else noticed that it's very early?
[03:57] <teroedni> ide bus 2
[03:57] <teroedni> i had both on ide bus 1 but changed the cd to ide bus 2 to get betterperformance
[03:57] <Absenth> My brain feels like a porsche 911 Cararra GT that's stuck in neutral.
[03:57] <Ashims> FWAH!
[03:57] <Ashims> IT DIDN"T STALL!
[03:57] <teroedni> sound wouldnt play properly
[03:58] <HappyFool> teroedni: try this. 'cd /proc/ide' , then 'ls'
[03:58] <HappyFool> or just ls /proc/ide
[03:58] <jamesio> Absenth, I'm running at redline, but my tires are just spinning...
[03:58] <HappyFool> what do you see there ?
[03:58] <teroedni> and then?
[03:58] <HappyFool> type ls
[03:58] <IIIEars> jamesio - "More Coffee.." - grin
[03:58] <HappyFool> what files do you see there
[03:58] <HappyFool> ?
[03:58] <Absenth> jamesio, wonder which one of us will blow the engine first.
[03:59] <HappyFool> if it's just one line (it should be) paste it here
[03:59] <teroedni> green then blue hdb hdd ideo ide1
[03:59] <Jormundgand> Hmm. Why is it that windows won't go behind the top bar with the GNOME menu in, but they will go behind other bars, and how can I prevent this?
[03:59] <HappyFool> hmm
[03:59] <jamesio> this problem is bugging me.   What sort of disc is in the CD-rom drive? a dvd?
[04:01] <bennoh> universal: assuming you're on windows right now ??
[04:01] <K_Dallas> universal, do you have unused partitions on your HD?
[04:01] <universal> bennoh, nope on ubuntu
[04:01] <Absenth> alright I'm going to go try some extreme measures to wake up.
[04:01] <teroedni> nope a music cd
[04:01] <universal> no
[04:01] <Absenth> see everyone later maybe.
[04:02] <HappyFool> teroedni: ah
[04:02] <Cal[] John> argh!: "Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[04:02] <Cal[] John> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code".  Anyone know what the issue is?
[04:02] <HappyFool> ok, you can't mount a music cd ;)
[04:02] <teroedni> :P
[04:02] <teroedni> okey
[04:02] <teroedni> but how to get the cdrom working with thw music cd
[04:02] <bennoh> universal: I just installed Ubuntu on another hdd to test.
[04:02] <universal> bennoh, so actually i have to delete my hdd first,?
[04:02] <teroedni> so i can play music???
[04:03] <bennoh> universal: backup would be better :-)
[04:03] <FreezerX> Is it possible to run a typhoon dvb-t duo digital with ubuntu? I can't find a wikipage for a description.
[04:03] <IFR> Anyone know whtat the notation in Top, "100% id" means?
[04:03] <wizard_31> sure it's not in the sound settings
[04:03] <K_Dallas> universal, 1: resize your windows partition, or 2. add a new HD,
[04:03] <HappyFool> teroedni: what happens when you goto Applications -> Sound and video -> CD player ?
[04:03] <StarMkeSE> IFR Now I'm back..I tried to reinstall Linux but I think I have found a bug
[04:04] <IFR> Oh?
[04:04] <universal> K_Dallas, hmm, but i dont have any windoes partition yet
[04:04] <universal> K_Dallas, ubuntu is using the whole hdd
[04:04] <IFR> A bug with what ?
[04:04] <K_Dallas> :) ok i am confused, sorry
[04:04] <teroedni> *blushing*
[04:04] <K_Dallas> you have a blank HD and need to install xp and ubuntu?
[04:04] <teroedni> it works
[04:04] <sascha__> hi, can anybody help me with my hp-deskjet in gimp?
[04:04] <HappyFool> heh
[04:04] <HappyFool> ok
[04:04] <universal> K_Dallas, exactly
[04:05] <StarMkeSE> IFR yes...suddenly during installation I got resolving from DHCP but at the final part of the installation, it stopped when it was listening for network
[04:05] <HappyFool> lets just look inside /etc/fstab quickly anyway
[04:05] <StarMkeSE> IFR right after detecting CD-ROM
[04:05] <HappyFool> teroedni: type cat /etc/fstab|grep cdrom
[04:05] <K_Dallas> so first install XP and make sure you leave room for ubuntu, then install ubuntu on the rest of your hd
[04:05] <HappyFool> there should be just one line of output: paste it here
[04:05] <universal> K_Dallas, i will delete my hdd and then make 2 partitions on the hdd, one for ubuntu and one for windoes
[04:06] <IFR> Hmmm. what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth
[04:06] <universal> K_Dallas, ok, that should be possible?
[04:06] <K_Dallas> if you have backed up your stuff, just put your XP CD in and bootfrom it
[04:06] <StarMkeSE> universal make three partition. Linux asks for 2 partitions
[04:06] <capi> when messing with file permissions for a http server, isn't there something like  `$ chgrp www-doc <folde>' you can do to get the files working correctly?
[04:06] <universal> StarMkeSE, ohh, ok, yes, swap
[04:06] <sascha__> my printer doesnt work in gimp. Just no reaction. Can anybody help please?
[04:06] <Bramme> working a few hours with ubuntu and already 2 very important appz that don't work... debian was depressing, but ubuntu is too in that case
[04:06] <teroedni> /dev/hda              media/cdrom0      udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto   0       0
[04:06] <K_Dallas> then delete all the existing partions when you are prompted fo, make a smaller one for your XP and install it there and then ubuntu
[04:06] <JorisK> hello everyone
[04:06] <IFR> Hi JorisK
[04:06] <JorisK> Can anyone help me to setup composite?
[04:07] <JorisK> I've installed Hoary and it seems that it recognizes my ATI radeon 9800
[04:07] <StarMkeSE> IFR Should I report this problem during installation as a bug?
[04:07] <IFR> Did you see my last message?
[04:07] <HappyFool> teroedni: hrm, that looks wrong
[04:07] <JorisK> is there a manual what i need to do to get composite and all it's nice stuff working?
[04:07] <universal> K_Dallas, but what program shall i use for partiotioning my hdd?
[04:07] <IFR> StarMkeSE what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth
[04:07] <mr_roboto> IFR: nothing
[04:07] <HappyFool> teroedni: that's cut-and-pasted exactly?
[04:07] <StarMkeSE> IFR No I'm afraid not :(
[04:07] <IFR> StarMkeSE what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth
[04:07] <universal> K_Dallas, Fstab?
[04:07] <teroedni> no
[04:07] <mr_roboto> IFR unless you have a log called "dmesg"
[04:07] <K_Dallas> universal, XP can do it
[04:07] <IFR> Doh!
[04:07] <monk> quick question
[04:08] <K_Dallas> universal, then ubuntu does it for your linux
[04:08] <universal> K_Dallas, partition magic?
[04:08] <IFR> :P
[04:08] <teroedni> i havent actually the right spaces betwen
[04:08] <monk> someone said ubuntu has OOO2 in the repos?
[04:08] <K_Dallas> nope, WindowsXP CD
[04:08] <IFR> StarMkeSE what happens when you do (from a terminal) cat /var/log/dmsg | grep eth
[04:08] <StarMkeSE> IFR hmmm... I didn't understand that :/
[04:08] <IFR> Okay, open a terminal window
[04:08] <IFR> type:
[04:08] <universal> K_Dallas, o, but i have to be careful not using all of my space on Windoes?
[04:08] <HappyFool> teroedni: did you edit this file previously ?
[04:08] <teroedni> but the words are correct
[04:08] <K_Dallas> universal, when you start installing XP from the WinXP CD, at some point it goes into partitioning etc
[04:08] <K_Dallas> universal, exactly
[04:08] <HappyFool> teroedni: anyway, you want the line to look like this:
[04:08] <teroedni> nope never
[04:08] <universal> K_Dallas, ahh ok
[04:09] <IFR> cat /var/log/dmesg | grep eth0
[04:09] <universal> K_Dallas, and i can ajust how much space i whant to use?
[04:09] <HappyFool> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:09] <K_Dallas> universal, delete all the existing partitions, then create one with half the size of your HD or as you desire
[04:09] <IFR> Tell me what comes out
[04:09] <HappyFool> teroedni: note the '/' in front of media -- it's important!
[04:09] <K_Dallas> all that i am telling you can be done with WinxXP CD
[04:09] <StarMkeSE> IFR I don't acctully know.. Hasn't tried it
[04:09] <K_Dallas> during the initial setup
[04:09] <JorisK> Where can i find / install composite?
[04:09] <Jormundgand> Question: How do I stop windows from going behind any of the GNOME panels? Currently they only refuse to go under the top bar.
[04:09] <universal> K_Dallas, ok, so i only need to make 1 partition
[04:10] <K_Dallas> universal, you just need you XP CD and Ubuntu XD, no need to partiton magic
[04:10] <IFR> OKay, there are a couple of main places which important things are noted by your machine.
[04:10] <IFR> You want to check those bwcause often the answer is there.
[04:10] <K_Dallas> with XP, make one partiton for your XP, when you finished, boot from your ubunut CD and it would take care of the rest
[04:10] <IFR> StarMkeSE, have you used Linux for long?
[04:10] <universal> K_Dallas, and afterwards when windoes is installed, i can just insert the ubuntu cd, and it will make a new partition automatically?
[04:11] <universal> K_Dallas, after reboot ofcause
[04:11] <wizard_31> anyone got a webcam working?
[04:11] <K_Dallas> universal, it has an option to do it for you (use the unsed part of your HD)
[04:12] <K_Dallas> or you can do it step by step
[04:12] <StarMkeSE> IFR No I'm a competley new with Linux... Totaly novice
[04:12] <universal> K_Dallas, ok
[04:12] <K_Dallas> good luck
[04:13] <universal> ill hten try removing the hdd now, and then first with my windoes cd and afterwards the ubuntu
[04:13] <K_Dallas> removing?
[04:13] <StarMkeSE> IFR It's not the ethernet that is the problem...it's the communication from ethernet ext
[04:13] <universal> K_Dallas, deleting
[04:13] <K_Dallas> ok, you do it when you boot from your XP CD
[04:14] <IFR> StarMkeSE, OKay. opening a terminal window and typing cat /var/log/dmesg shows you tons and tons of crap; you search the output for messages specific to the ethernet by | grep eth, which will return only the lines which mention "eth"
[04:14] <universal> K_Dallas, ahh ok
[04:14] <universal> yes
[04:14] <ivoks> grrrrrrrr
[04:14] <teroedni> bash:  /dev/hdd: permisiion denied
[04:14] <universal> K_Dallas, and  then use some of the hdd for windoes
[04:14] <universal> windoes
[04:14] <IFR> StarMkeSE If there's nothing there, try doing the same with /var/log/messages - often there will be something within those two files which says....uh, SOMTHING about what might be the problem.
[04:14] <universal> windows
[04:14] <universal> ;)
[04:14] <IFR> Logfiles are your friend!
[04:15] <K_Dallas> when you delete the partitions on your HD, you will be left with a blank HD, then you have an option to create a new partition
[04:15] <StarMkeSE> IFR I'll rebbot my computer and I'll be back in jiffy!
[04:15] <K_Dallas> it asks you for the size, give whatever you want to but not all of it
[04:15] <onno> When I want to install a firefox plugin, firefox won't let me before I update to 1.0.4 but how do I update to 1.0.4
[04:15] <universal> K_Dallas, exactly, thx
[04:15] <universal> K_Dallas, u have a messenger acc?
[04:16] <K_Dallas> my pleasure
[04:16] <K_Dallas> i hate messengers, sorry :)
[04:16] <universal> K_Dallas, ok ;)
[04:16] <alejandro_ricove> QUICK ANSWER QUESTION : which is the command for deleting a dir in terminal ??
[04:16] <onno> alejandro_ricove,  the same rm
[04:16] <sbcl3> i need to reinstally ubuntu
[04:16] <K_Dallas> alejandro_ricove, rmdir
[04:16] <onno> alejandro_ricove, but you need to add -R
[04:16] <alejandro_ricove> thx :):)
[04:16] <sbcl3> does anyone know exactly what the "base system installation" comes with?
[04:16] <onno> rm -R dir/
[04:17] <K_Dallas> rm -R deletes non empty dir too
[04:17] <sbcl3> is it just the linux kernel?
[04:17] <onno> whatch out you don't delete your root by doing rm -R /
[04:17] <onno> everything will be gone
[04:17] <K_Dallas> lol
[04:17] <mjr> sbcl3, kernel and base utilities for a text-only system
[04:17] <K_Dallas> it is always better and sdafer to do rm -iR
[04:17] <onno> sometimes you need to do rm -Rf dir/
[04:17] <sbcl3> mjr: would X server installation be easy then?
[04:17] <sbcl3> (and gnome installation)
[04:17] <mjr> sbcl3, with apt-get, yes
[04:18] <onno> K_Dallas, for what stands the i?
[04:18] <K_Dallas> interactively
[04:18] <mjr> sbcl3, why?
[04:18] <Bramme> Thunderbird prob:  while starting i get the error "Changes in the set of globally installed extensions detected. You must start thunderbird one more time in order to finalize those changes" clicking 'OK' brings me the same error over and over, restarting thunderbird is not the solution either
[04:18] <sbcl3> mjr: it might be alot quicker
[04:19] <sbcl3> but I think the regular install is better
[04:19] <onno> K_Dallas, but then you need to say a thousand times yes
[04:19] <superted> what's up with ubuntu.com?
[04:19] <Cal[] John> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code".  Anyone know what the issue is?
[04:19] <onno> Now, how do I update firefox to 1.0.4
[04:19] <alejandro_ricove> i think -R parameter doesnt exists but there it exists this one
[04:19] <K_Dallas> if there are 1e3 files in there ;)
[04:19] <alejandro_ricove>  --ignore-fail-on-non-empty
[04:19] <sbcl3> another question: i can't get internet access when my computer first starts up, therefore, ubuntu spends about two minutes looking for ntp.ubuntulinux.org to set the clock
[04:19] <sbcl3> can i disable this?
[04:19] <alejandro_ricove> it is the same that -R ?
[04:19] <onno> alejandro_ricove, -R means recursive
[04:20] <HappyFool> sbcl3: try 'sudo chmod a-x /etc/init.d/ntpdate'
[04:20] <HappyFool> assuming you don't want ntp at all
[04:21] <alejandro_ricove> all right i have done it ... thanks :D:D:D
[04:21] <Gabriel> Is there a way to obtain the linux-restricted package for 2.6.11-1 on ppc ?
[04:21] <jeff_co> hello everyone. I just installed firefox 1.0.4. now i want to delete 1.0.2 from synaptic. when i choose "mark for removal" for the "mozilla-firefox" package, it recommends deleting 3 additional stuff: ubuntu-desktop, yelp, and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support. what should i do?
[04:21] <onno> Now, how do I update firefox to 1.0.4
[04:21] <sbcl3> happyfool: thanks
[04:22] <spiral> hmmm, was the official kernel recently updated in hoary ?
[04:22] <HappyFool> jeff_co: i'd just leave it
[04:22] <HappyFool> jeffco: removing yelp is probably not a good idea -- it's the gnome help system
[04:22] <sbcl3> does anyone know why ubuntu...and easy to install user-friendly linux, is......by default, brown?
[04:22] <jeff_co>
[04:22] <jeff_co>
[04:23] <HappyFool> sbcl3: at a guess, earthy tones, vaguely african themed
[04:23] <sbcl3> its likely that 90% of the users head over to gnome-look.org or some other theme site though
[04:24] <IIIEars> Install Ubuntu, Configure ALL peripherals, rebuild the kernel, Build drivers from source add security apps - Bastille, Firewall,  Antivirus, All that was easy compared to beating "Tuxracer" - rofl
[04:25] <HappyFool> sbcl3: *shrug*
[04:25] <IIIEars> lol
[04:25] <sbcl3> who need security apps with linux ;)?
[04:25] <jeff_co> HappyFool, what if i just delete mozilla-firefox? I'm the kinda guy who wants the most harddirive space. don't want any unneeded stuff on my HD.
[04:26] <sbcl3> (at least antispyware/antivirus)
[04:26] <HappyFool> jeff_co: how big is your hard drive?
[04:26] <jeff_co> 40G, HappyFool
[04:26] <HappyFool> heh
[04:26] <sbcl3> that's pretty big
[04:26] <HappyFool> firefox is in the region of 10MB
[04:26] <jeff_co> according to linux, 32G is left.
[04:26] <IIIEars> Windows paranoia takes time to wear off - had to talk myself out of installing LIDS and Tripwire. - grin
[04:26] <jeff_co> okay, if you really think it's good to leave it, HappyFool
[04:27] <alejandro_ricove> how do i kill a process by terminal ?
[04:27] <HappyFool> 10 / 40 000 is 1/4000 so... 0.025% of your hard-drive
[04:27] <sbcl3> jeff: if you browse the internet you shouldn't delete it
[04:27] <sbcl3> its the best browser out there
[04:27] <Kejk_PL> kill -9 PID
[04:27] <Kejk_PL> killall program_name
[04:27] <Kejk_PL> or use top
[04:27] <jeff_co> sbcl3, i browse the net with firefox, but i just downloaded and installed 1.0.4. that's why i want to delete 1.0.2
[04:27] <HappyFool> sbcl3: he's done a custom 1.0.4 install
[04:27] <sbcl3> ah
[04:28] <sbcl3> wait...1.0.4 is out ?
[04:28] <jeff_co> HappyFool, according to synpatincs, firefox takes up 24 megs.
[04:28] <alejandro_ricove> all right thanks :)
[04:28] <IIIEars> yes
[04:28] <jeff_co> sbcl3, yes, i downloaded it from their website.
[04:28] <snorf> can anyone help me with a WinE problem?
[04:28] <sbcl3> ubuntu really needs to get that to date with synaptic
[04:28] <HappyFool> jeff_co: ok, 24 / 4000 is 0.05% ;)
[04:28] <jeff_co> ok, HappyFool. i'll leave it......... at least for now :)
[04:29] <HappyFool> sbcl3: it won't be upgraded. security fixes will be backported
[04:30] <wizard_31> anyone find a hardware config app?
[04:30] <jeff_co> how do i install my Visor PDA(Palm OS) onto UBuntu?
[04:30] <sbcl3> last night i typed "update-rc.d -f gdm remove"...anyway to get this back?
[04:31] <jeff_co> and my digital camera (canon )?
[04:31] <snorf> does anyone know why whenever i use winE theres no font, everything just shows up as boxes?
[04:31] <superted> i need a livecd iso, can i get it from somewhere else than ubuntu.com ?
[04:31] <capi> superted, you could go to the other ditrobution servers
[04:31] <sbcl3> probably not, superted
[04:32] <superted> capi: which are?
[04:32] <jeff_co> anyone, please help: how do i install my Visor PDA(Palm OS) onto UBuntu?
[04:32] <queuetue> Can anyone recommend a networked first-person shooter that's FUN?  (cedega or native, either works for me.)
[04:32] <superted> capi: ubuntu.com is down
[04:32] <sbcl3> capi: you could try linuxiso.org
[04:32] <capi> one, second.
[04:32] <superted> sbcl3: i have
[04:32] <superted> capi: cheers
[04:32] <IIIEars> queuetue - Unreal Tournament
[04:33] <Funraiser> the ubuntu website is down or it's my connection?
[04:33] <Kejk_PL> queuetue, Enemy Territory, doom, unreal, quacke
[04:33] <IIIEars> Americas Army
[04:33] <jeff_co> anybody here using PDAs?
[04:34] <capi> no, seems it's down
[04:34] <Funraiser> are u talking about the list of games playable on linux?
[04:34] <IIIEars> linux ports w/o
[04:34] <IIIEars> WINE
[04:34] <wizard_31> they are down
[04:34] <Kejk_PL> jeff_co, try find it on google, I doubd, that someone have PDA here
[04:35] <Funraiser> the list of games playable with cedega http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Category:Games
[04:35] <Funraiser> linux that is
[04:37] <runedude> hi guys. got a question.. well, whenever i run something like in the program menu, take synaptic for example, it requires a pass, i put in my root pass, and it says wrong pass.. whats up w/ that?
[04:38] <HappyFool> runedude: enter your user password
[04:38] <Jormundgand> Is a repo down?
[04:38] <Kejk_PL> runedude, you user password
[04:38] <HappyFool> it's using gnome-sudo
[04:38] <capi> whats a good IRC server?
[04:38] <runedude> ah
[04:38] <runedude> capi, theres lots :P
[04:39] <capi> sorry, I ment whats a good firewall. Don't know why IRC server came out
[04:39] <runedude> oh rofl
[04:39] <dcraven> runedude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:39] <runedude> dcraven, ok
[04:39] <HappyFool> i think the ubuntu site is down...
[04:39] <capi> it tis.
[04:39] <Funraiser> it is
[04:39] <runedude> capi, firestarter
[04:39] <runedude> apt-get install firestarter  - capi <
[04:40] <capi> You forgot sudo. ;)
[04:40] <runedude> yea you can add that:P
[04:40] <IIIEars> capi - "Firestarter" is easy to install as you gain experience with netfilter and iptables you can change it's start script to suit your needs or if you need to access your macine remotely shorewall+webmin.
[04:40] <runedude> hmmm, if sites down.. crap, what do I do?
[04:41] <Nalioth> runedude, google cache?
[04:41] <capi> google cache pages, web-archive?
[04:41] <IIIEars> don't worry it has a GUI - no need to edit -any- scripts
[04:41] <capi> wait, firestarter has a GUI? that may not go over to well in my CLI only interface....
[04:41] <Funraiser> runedude, what are u looking for?
[04:42] <hybrid_goth> the forums are up
[04:42] <capi> the forums are seperate from ubuntu
[04:42] <hybrid_goth> ah
[04:42] <Isnom> how do i update my ubutnu using apt-get?
[04:42] <wizard_31> simpler to use synaptic
[04:43] <karljp> anyone know how to move a user's home dir "the right way"?  I want www-data to have home on /home/www not /var/www
[04:43] <wizard_31> or apt-get --help
[04:43] <Isnom> tnx
[04:43] <karljp> though I suppose it doesn't really matter, if I just change apaches docroot any just move the data
[04:43] <Nalioth> wizard_31, simple is a matter of practice
[04:43] <topyli> karljp: that should do it
[04:43] <IFR> The BEST reference for apt-get: http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/05
[04:43] <wizard_31> true
[04:45] <wizard_31> i just find a good gui is nice for all
[04:45] <hybrid_goth> Isnom: sudo apt-get update to update your sources sudo apt-get upgrade to upgrade packaages and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to a newer version
[04:45] <Isnom> tnx hybrid
[04:45] <hybrid_goth> yea
[04:46] <wizard_31> newer version?
[04:46] <Jormundgand> What decides whether a window avoids going behind a panel or not?
[04:46] <wizard_31> 5.04 newest? no
[04:47] <hybrid_goth> wizard_31: no breezy is *newest* but he just asked how to upgrade via apt
[04:47] <wizard_31> breezy?
[04:47] <George__> Hi
[04:48] <wizard_31> still beta?
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> wizard_31: 5.10 yes it is unstable testibg w/e
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> **texting
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> damn
[04:48] <George__> bleading edge
[04:48] <karljp> bleeding :)
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> testing
[04:49] <dcraven> Jormundgand: Probably metacity.
[04:49] <George__> bleading edge
[04:49] <wizard_31> ahh
[04:49] <wizard_31> had enuff of the beta myself
[04:49] <hybrid_goth> wizard_31: i am goin to update to it soon
[04:49] <hybrid_goth> heh
[04:50] <wizard_31> any big changes?
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> g++
[04:50] <Nalioth> wizard_31, very beta. as in "works today, broke tomorrow"
[04:50] <wizard_31> lol.... i know
[04:50] <stromax> hi there
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> is the biggest it also has gcc 4 etc
[04:50] <ivoks> don't use breezy
[04:50] <ivoks> it will get ugly soon :)
[04:50] <George__> when breezy out ?
[04:50] <George__> 6 month later?
[04:50] <stromax> where do i make ubuntu NOT save the hardware clock in GMT?
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: refering to g++?
[04:50] <ivoks> hybrid_goth yes
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> hey tritium
[04:51] <karljp> blah, nautilus just says, "conflict while copying, do you want to replace it?"  it doesn't show me the filesizes and lastmod dates of the files in question :(
[04:51] <tritium> hi hybrid_goth
[04:51] <ivoks> tritium yo :)
[04:51] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: yea i have heard of that i am going to wait till that is all strate
[04:51] <tritium> ivoks, hey there :)
[04:51] <ivoks> hybrid_goth you can help :)
[04:51] <wizard_31> i hope the dist-upgrades go smoother than other distros
[04:51] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: help what?
[04:51] <George__> it does wizard.. i fin
[04:51] <ivoks> hybrid_goth with transition to g++4.0
[04:51] <wizard_31> cool
[04:52] <ivoks> or not :)
[04:52] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: heh if you will i will
[04:52] <hybrid_goth> rofl
[04:52] <ivoks> haha
[04:54] <ivoks> hybrid_goth i am helping allready
[04:54] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: really?
[04:54] <Jormundgand> Hmm.
[04:54] <ivoks> sure
[04:54] <ivoks> that's what community is all about
[04:55] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i share that but i had it but accidently deleted the partition so i had to install hoary
[04:55] <ivoks> :)
[04:55] <ivoks> excuses...
[04:55] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i am going to get my gmail workin with postfix then ill upgrade
[04:56] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: blah it was funny
[04:56] <hybrid_goth> you know how ppl say be carefull as root?
[04:56] <ivoks> sure i do
[04:57] <hybrid_goth> i never believed that untill i was setting up a partition and saw an extra one deleted and it was actully my partition
[04:59] <ivoks> first time on linux?
[04:59] <andrewski> is it possible to get windows media codecs in ubuntu?
[04:59] <Nalioth> i have made enough root mistakes, that i appreciate ubuntus use of "sudo"
[04:59] <ivoks> tritium would you be so kind...
[05:00] <tritium> ivoks, ?
[05:00] <Quest-Master> rofl http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=265674&sid=fc7df897971e388c2141438f7800440c
 tritium and check it? :)
[05:00] <ivoks> tritium never mind... herve will do it...
[05:01] <tritium> ivoks, ah, okay
[05:01] <capi> whats a good CLI-only firewall for ubuntu.
[05:01] <tritium> ivoks, where is herve hiding out?
[05:01] <ivoks> capi one and only - iptables
[05:01] <ivoks> tritium don't know... he was here in the morning
[05:02] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: not quite first full time on linux
[05:02] <twobitsprite> andrewski, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[05:02] <tritium> ivoks, oh, well how do you know he'll check it for you?  ;)
[05:02] <zenlunatic> I'm adding repositories as instructed by ubuntuguide.org and when I do this command 'gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907' I get "gpg: can't open `1F41B907'". Any ideas why it can't open it?
[05:03] <ivoks> tritium he said so... but if you are free, and have nothing to do... :)
[05:03] <black_Nightmare> hey :p
[05:03] <zenlunatic> capi, I heard of firestarter but it wasn't in my repositories at the time. Trying to update them now so I can install it.
[05:04] <tritium> ivoks, I haven't set up my breezy pbuilder chroot, etc. yet.  I'm waiting until after my defense, so I don't get to distracted
[05:04] <tritium> s/to/too
[05:04] <ivoks> defense?
[05:04] <tritium> ivoks,yes, on July 22
[05:04] <black_Nightmare> any of you had any experience with philips mointors?
[05:04] <ivoks> and you are defending...?
[05:05] <tritium> ivoks, my PhD thesis...
[05:05] <ivoks> ah
[05:05] <ivoks> good luck!
[05:05] <hybrid_goth> yea good luck man
[05:05] <tritium> thanks, hybrid_goth :)
[05:05] <ivoks> http://www.oursours.net/
[05:05] <ivoks> lol... guess who's site is this :)
[05:06] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody can tell where to set the preferred app to lauch on Video DVD insertion on hoary ? I want to use VLC instead of totem
[05:06] <tritium> ivoks, so I'm sort of on MOTU-sabattical until then
[05:06] <black_Nightmare> nevermind
[05:06] <ivoks> tritium i understand ;)
[05:06] <tritium> ok, sorry.
[05:06] <ivoks> np
[05:07] <tritium> Well, I'm just checking in for the morning.  Take care, all.
[05:07] <andrewski> you too tritium
[05:07] <tritium> thanks, andrewski :)
[05:08] <ivoks> bye
[05:08] <glauc> what up bitchessss?
[05:08] <Jormundgand> I'm looking for an applet like the Window List which shows 48x48 icons but not the window title (although it shows that in a tooltip). Does this exist, or do I need to write it myself?
[05:09] <karljp> oh, for changing a users home direcoty, usermod -d newdir user
[05:09] <Funraiser> Guybrush|Numb, did u try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#changedefaultfiletypeprogram
[05:09] <dcraven> Jormundgand: If you know how to write your own, then I'd just modify the existing one. THat might be a relatively small change.
[05:09] <Guybrush|Numb> yup, but i cannot do that on something that is not a file
[05:10] <Guybrush|Numb> Funraiser: yup, but i cannot do that on something that is not a file
[05:10] <Jormundgand> dcraven: location of source for that?
[05:10] <Guybrush|Numb> i need to change the app that is started when i plug a dvd in the reader
[05:10] <dcraven> Jormundgand: My apt is busy, but it's gnome-applets or something like that.
[05:11] <Jormundgand> dcraven: I mean in the filesystem, where do I find the source?
[05:11] <andrewski> Jormundgand: you'd have to install the -dev package.
[05:12] <andrewski> Jormundgand: or the source from the website.
[05:12] <dcraven> Jormundgand: You probably don't have the source unless you explicitly downloaded it. THis is a binary distro.
[05:12] <hybrid_goth> bye tritium
[05:12] <capi> Okay, now it's time to re-install, anyone know a good fun way to crash UNIX, or some fun stuff to do that might teach me something[While Crashing Ubuntu]
[05:12] <dcraven> Jormundgand: apt-get source <packagename>
[05:13] <dcraven> Jormundgand: Or get the tarball or CVS from gnome.org.
[05:13] <Funraiser> capi, u can try to copy paste files from your windows partition see if it works
[05:14] <Nalioth> capi, why not just do the install routine?
[05:14] <capi> I can, but as long as I'm installing I might as well enjoy tearing apart the system so i enjoy it. It's not often you can mangle your own computer without cursing. :P
[05:14] <hybrid_goth> capi: compile some weird stuff
[05:14] <hybrid_goth> mess with parted
[05:15] <Funraiser> download porn
[05:15] <Funraiser> errr...maybe u do that already
[05:15] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: heh
[05:15] <capi>  hybrid_goth, whats parted?
[05:15] <jinxi> how do I install a bittorent client on Ubuntu?
[05:15] <Nalioth> guys, i don't know of a way (that i'll say in this channel) to "educationally destroy" a *nix system
[05:15] <hybrid_goth> capi: it is a partitioner
[05:15] <Funraiser> jinxi, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[05:15] <hybrid_goth> jinxi: sudo apt-get install bittornado-gui
[05:15] <Nalioth> Funraiser, where do you get all those links?
[05:16] <Funraiser> he he
[05:16] <ol4l> I have an ATI 9250 graphics card in my P3-733 and gnome is insainly slow.. could the ATI card be an issue for the speed? i get ~1100 in glxgears.. any ideas?
[05:16] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: the ubuntuguide has nice urls
[05:16] <Funraiser> Nalioth, www.ubuntuguide.org always the same
[05:16] <dcraven> capi: I always thought it was fun to open up all of the programs you think you'll need for the next while, and systematically delete one directory an hour while still using your machine.. Start with /var, then /etc/ , then /usr/bin etc...
[05:16] <hybrid_goth> heheheh
[05:17] <dcraven> capi: See how long your machine can keep running, and laugh at all the funny errors and things it does.
[05:17] <Funraiser> www.ubuntuguide.org should be a required reading for Ubuntu users
[05:17] <sproingie> educationally destroy, eh?
[05:17] <dcraven> Funraiser: It is. But nobody reads it anyways.
[05:17] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: there is alot there
[05:18] <sproingie> how about replacing glibc and libstdc++ with a new version and not upgrade anything else
[05:18] <sproingie> that'll give you hours and hours of weird obscure errors
[05:18] <Funraiser> dcraven, really? is there a link to ubuntuguide.org from the Ubuntu website?
[05:18] <hybrid_goth> delere some X depenedcies
[05:18] <sproingie> make sure it's several minor versions, not just patchlevels
[05:18] <capi> wel... `sudo rm -rf *' was idly amusing...
[05:18] <dcraven> Funraiser: Would that link make it required? ;)
[05:19] <knapjack> sproingie, what are you going on about?
[05:19] <sproingie> knapjack: how to "educationally destroy" a unix system
[05:19] <Funraiser> dcraven, it would make it official at least
[05:19] <dcraven> capi: But keep using the machine now! At least IRC.
[05:19] <bdmp> Can someone give me some direction? I set up my wireless it seemed to go well but I can't get it to detect the network.  Honestly I don't know what I am doing.  Help me please
[05:19] <hybrid_goth> delete some X depenedcies
[05:20] <knapjack> sproingie: You mean make a unix system unsuitable for an educational institution, or how to make it unsuitable for studying operating systems?
[05:20] <capi> wrong machine. My Ubuntu computer is next to me. This one is a good computer... It's always nice to have at least one computer working
[05:20] <dcraven> I like uninstalling gnome from inside gnome and stuff.. Does kooky things.
[05:20] <Nalioth> knapjack, he wants to "learn by destruction"
[05:20] <sproingie> knapjack: knapjack well he did ask how to destroy.  you learn all kinds of fun stuff when you mess with core libs
[05:20] <knapjack> Ah, heheh
[05:21] <knapjack> bdmp: Did you double-check your essid?
[05:21] <dcraven> capi: You are in windows? I thought I smelled something.
[05:21] <Funraiser> lol
[05:21] <bdmp> how do i do that?
[05:21] <wizard_31> roflmao
[05:21] <capi> yeah
[05:22] <bdmp> knapjack:how do I do that?
[05:22] <knapjack> Should be System -> Administration -> Networking
[05:22] <sproingie> if you want to teach people, you could just set LD_PRELOAD and/or LD_LIBRARY_PATH to some deliberately broken libs
[05:22] <sproingie> see how long it takes to figure that out
[05:22] <knapjack> bdmp: Then get the properties of the interface you want.  Also make sure it's the default gateway at the bottom of that panel.
[05:22] <hybrid_goth> why does linux have so many libaries?
[05:22] <dcraven> hybrid_goth: hehe
[05:22] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Because you want it to be Windows
[05:23] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: If you wanted it to be VMS it would be clean.
[05:23] <sproingie> or move 'ls' and 'which' to new directories in the path and don't reload bash, let 'em figure out that bash caches names
[05:23] <dcraven> I don't understand either that question or the given answer.
[05:23] <Timbo> search a windows machine for *.dll
[05:23] <bdmp> knapjack: where is that path? from the menu with the foot?
[05:23] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, why does any OS have so many libs?
[05:23] <knapjack> bdmp: Yep, up at the top, you should have Applications, Places, System
[05:24] <knapjack> bdmp: Oh, wait, are you on Warty or Hoary?
[05:24] <capi> now this is ammusing, shutdown no longer exists and I disabled CTRL-ALT-DEL...
[05:24] <bdmp> ahh
[05:24] <twizlar> lol
[05:24] <bdmp> knapjack: wireless card is not listed
[05:24] <jeffco> hello.
[05:25] <knapjack> bdmp: Do you know what model your wireless card is?
[05:25] <jeffco> hello, all. i can't listen to mp3's i've downloaded. what do i do?
[05:25] <wizard_31> linux only has nessesary libraries ...rite?
[05:25] <bdmp> hoary
[05:25] <bdmp> yeah
[05:25] <bdmp> broadcom
[05:25] <ivoks> wizard_31 only if you don't remove that obsolete
[05:25] <Nalioth> guys, that ubuntuguide is prejudiced
[05:25] <knapjack> jeffco: there's a page on the wiki that talks about IP-encumbered formats like MP3.
[05:26] <capi> I don't like ubuntuguide myself.
[05:26] <knapjack> jeffco: It'll walk you through installing the correct libraries for the media player(s).
[05:26] <Funraiser> jeffco, do u have xine?
[05:26] <jeffco> knapjack, where's the wiki?
[05:26] <jeffco> how do i know if i have xine, Funraiser ?
[05:26] <Nalioth> i run a PPC, and lots of stuff on the guide dosnt talk about that
[05:26] <knapjack> jeffco: On the main page of ubuntu's web site
[05:26] <bdmp> knapjack:Gemtek (Broadcom) wireless lan driver/MSI Ralink Driver
[05:26] <Funraiser> jeffco, well follow Knapjack actually
[05:26] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i hear you
[05:27] <knapjack> bdmp: Are you comfortable with the command line?
[05:27] <bdmp> yes and no
[05:27] <bdmp> yes
[05:27] <bdmp> lets do this
[05:27] <dcraven> Nalioth: The guide makes you add the marrilat repos too, and I don't like that.
[05:27] <bdmp> i just don't know how to go about it
[05:27] <knapjack> hehe, no problem.  Let's try this.  Open up a terminal and type the stuff between these quotes: 'dmesg | grep -i broadcom'
[05:27] <hybrid_goth> every linux user should be able to use the command line unless they use mandravia or lycoris/lindows/w/e
[05:28] <capi> I love lycoris' background
[05:28] <ivoks> omg
[05:28] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Ubuntu is very grandma-friendly.
[05:28] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[05:28] <Nalioth> dcraven, the marillat has no binaries at all for ppc
[05:28] <Isnom> hi guys... what p2p manger other than emule would u guys recomend me?
[05:28] <knapjack> Nalioth: You could always grab the source and rebuild
[05:28] <bdmp> knapjack: it returned
[05:28] <rindolf> Hi all!
[05:28] <ivoks> i'm done for now...
[05:28] <Funraiser> knapjack are u helping jeffco on his mp3 thing or i'll show him how to install xine?
[05:28] <jamesio> ok, simple question: I've set up 2 ext3 partitions and have them set in fstab (and mounted using mount -a), but the owner is root and I'm unable to modify them without sudo'ing first... any hints?
[05:29] <anto9us> I disagree hybrid, I'm going to be installing ubuntu at work, the last thing I want is my users playing with the command line
[05:29] <dcraven> Nalioth: Oh. Well they also cause dependancy issues for x86.
[05:29] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: yes but if you d/l a .deb you still have to sudo dpkg i
[05:29] <ivoks> anto9us why?
[05:29] <ivoks> anto9us what can they break?
[05:29] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: true
[05:29] <Nalioth> dcraven, well, i did not know that
[05:29] <rindolf> I wrote a new essay about BitKeeper? Can anyone review it: http://xrl.us/f4be http://www.shlomifish.org/__Bk-essay-f567j/bk/what-bitmover-got-wrong.html ?
[05:29] <rindolf> TIA.
[05:29] <knapjack> Funraiser: I was just going to point him at the wiki and turn him loose, unless he hits some stumbling block
[05:29] <Nalioth> dcraven, any idea where to find some nice "deb-src" repos?
[05:29] <anto9us> ivoks: work protocols
[05:29] <capi> I'm going to see how long I can play Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, maybe I'll make it off of earth withough getting frustrated. :)
[05:29] <ivoks> anto9us maybe you should learn them that console is good, not bad
[05:30] <knapjack> bdmp: So it came back empty?
[05:30] <Funraiser> knapjack, k
[05:30] <bdmp> yeah
[05:30] <dcraven> Nalioth: Yeah, if anyone ever comes in here and is having trouble installing mplayer, just tell them to remove merillat.
[05:30] <Nalioth> anto9us, the  terminal is your friend, it will be with you after X takes a powder
[05:30] <jeffco> Funraiser, what's xine?
[05:30] <ivoks> :)
[05:30] <hybrid_goth> anto9us: the terminal dribes linus
[05:30] <Isnom> hi guys... what p2p manger other than emule would u guys recomend me?
[05:30] <knapjack> bdmp: OK, so it looks like it didn't load the module for your wireless interface at startup.
[05:30] <bdmp> knapjack: i wet through the faq of installing the drivers and it went fine
[05:30] <Nalioth> dcraven, i found another 'deb-src' repo and installed mplayer from src
[05:30] <bdmp> ok
[05:30] <jeffco> knapjack, can't find the info on the wiki area. where is it?
[05:30] <Funraiser> jeffco, xine is a media player that reads everything
[05:30] <dcraven> Nalioth: I just use the regular old deb-src repos. multi/uni, main, and restricted.
[05:31] <anto9us> I know this, the terminal is my job though, they should stick to their job and I'll stick to mine
[05:31] <knapjack> jeffco: Just a sec, let me dig it up for you.
[05:31] <bdmp> knapjack:roger
[05:31] <Funraiser> jeffco, try to follow those instructions http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[05:31] <Nalioth> dcraven, i had to get some different src-repos for transcode
[05:31] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: this is the fastest upgrade  i have had to date
[05:31] <knapjack> bdmp: Cool, if you've done that, then you should be able to figure out what the name of the driver is.  You should be able to just 'modprobe drivername' and it'll show up in the network settings tool.
[05:32] <ivoks> hybrid_goth ?
[05:32] <bdmp> iknow it
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: to breezy
[05:32] <ivoks> don't use breezy
[05:32] <dcraven> Nalioth: I came to Ubuntu specifically because I wouldn't need to compile anything unless I had to apply a patch :)
[05:32] <hybrid_goth> i had it already and nothing was wrong
[05:32] <bdmp> hold on
[05:33] <Nalioth> dcraven, well, i'm on PPC, and if I want something useful, lots of times, i have to compile it myself
[05:33] <knapjack> jeffco: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:33] <kernelek> hello!
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> hi
[05:33] <dcraven> Nalioth: So I've heard :)
[05:33] <kernelek> here fresh ubuntu installation :)
[05:33] <Funraiser> jeffco, if u have a problem following those instructions let me know
[05:33] <Nalioth> dont use breezy, until they start releasing "release candidates"
[05:33] <ivoks> hybrid_goth i said... it will get ugly
[05:33] <hybrid_goth> kernelek: congrats
[05:33] <kernelek> thx :)
[05:33] <ivoks> hybrid_goth big changes are in queue
[05:33] <kernelek> i'm old slackware user so..
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: ok
[05:34] <ivoks> hybrid_goth lot's of stuff will breal
[05:34] <knapjack> jeffco: Looks like if you add the universe repository and use Synaptic to get gstreamer0.8-mad you should be good to go.
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> i know
[05:34] <ivoks> hybrid_goth lot's of stuff will break
[05:34] <ivoks> seriously break :)
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: fun i need something _constructive_ to do
[05:34] <kernelek> but i've one question; where is the apt-get config file
[05:34] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i did the same with hoary
[05:34] <kernelek> it wont dl packages :|
[05:34] <dcraven> I periodically upgrade to a breezy snapshot when it looks safe, then switch my sources back to hoary.. I'm running Hoary+
[05:34] <knapjack> kernelek: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <knapjack> kernelek: Plus there's a file in that same folder for other apt options.
[05:35] <kernelek> i saw 6 urls there and uncomment it
[05:35] <kernelek> thats all?
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> yea
[05:35] <sascha__> hi, finally every piece of hardware and software works properly.
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> do a apt-get update
[05:35] <hybrid_goth> sascha__: lol
[05:35] <bdmp> knapjack: is it the .inf or the .sys
[05:35] <knapjack> bdmp: It should be a .o, I think.
[05:35] <ivoks> hybrid_goth hoary didn't have this big changes
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: ok
[05:36] <sascha__> anybody has expirience with dansguardian?
[05:36] <knapjack> sascha__: Yep
[05:36] <bdmp> knapjack: a .o file?
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: they need ppc testers anyway
[05:36] <knapjack> bdmp: I think all the kernel modules are .o files.
[05:36] <ivoks> hybrid_goth hahahaha
[05:36] <hayden> whats an easy to setup ftp server?
[05:36] <ivoks> hybrid_goth that platform is sure to crash :)
[05:36] <sascha__> knapjack, somehow I cant amke it work. its a standalone box with a few young kids
[05:36] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: okay i have dealt with windows i can deal with this
[05:37] <dcraven> knapjack: .ko
[05:37] <bdmp> knapjack: the windows driver i installed was a .inf file. how do i find out what the kernal modual is?
[05:37] <ivoks> hybrid_goth ok
[05:37] <Funraiser> hayden, server or client?
[05:37] <knapjack> sascha__: What is and isn't happening when you test?
[05:37] <hayden> server
[05:37] <Funraiser> k
[05:37] <hybrid_goth> apache?
[05:37] <knapjack> bdmp: Where did you find the installation instructions?
[05:37] <sascha__> knapjack, erm...if I put the browser on squid/proxy I cant do anything anymore
[05:37] <ivoks> bye
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> g'bye
[05:38] <kernelek> hmm.. it wants to install pkgs from the cd
[05:38] <Nalioth> hayden, sshd
[05:38] <Funraiser> apache is a http server
[05:38] <sascha__> knapjack, every single website is blocked by squid
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: o ok
[05:38] <knapjack> sascha__: Ah, OK, when I set up dansguardian, I had to point at the dansguardian port (8080, I think), and dansguardian actually redirects its own requests to squid if it passes the filter tests.
[05:38] <jinxi> after a default Ubuntu instllation, can I watch divx movie allready?
[05:39] <hayden> Nalioth, ftp server called sshd?
[05:39] <knapjack> jinxi: Nope
[05:39] <dcraven> hayden: I hear proftpd is okay, but I haven't used ftp since the 80's.
[05:39] <knapjack> jinxi: But check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:39] <Eclipse> I LIVE IN PARAGUAY... SOUTH AMERICA... HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET HERE THE CDS
[05:39] <Funraiser> jinxi, no but it's very easy to set up
[05:39] <jinxi> knapjack, what do I install to watch divx?
[05:39] <sascha__> knapjack, do you have a network or a standallone?
[05:39] <bdmp> knapjack: I was walked through this and when I was it was for my i386 machine not a amd64. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[05:39] <hybrid_goth> jinxi: try mplayer
[05:39] <dcraven> Eclipse: lose the caps please.
[05:39] <knapjack> sascha__: Network, so I do it all at the firewall, but the setup should be the same.
[05:40] <Eclipse> so.. how long do you guys think??
[05:40] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: heh
[05:40] <dcraven> Eclipse: 4 days.
[05:40] <knapjack> Eclipse: Hard to tell, but if I were going to gamble I would say a week.  Probably less.
[05:40] <jeffco> Funraiser, i  did sudo apt-get install xine-ui. now what?
[05:40] <Funraiser> Eclipse, all the time
[05:40] <dcraven> Eclipse: 4 days.
[05:40] <Eclipse> no way??!! really?!! is it that fast??
[05:40] <DunkMaster> need a little help
[05:40] <Funraiser> jeffco, did u install the multimedia codecs?
[05:41] <sascha__> knapjack, hmm, maybe i must just try harder
[05:41] <DunkMaster> can i remoce a dir called grub
[05:41] <DunkMaster> ?
[05:41] <jeffco> no.
[05:41] <knapjack> Eclipse: Depends on where you live in Paraguay...  :)
[05:41] <dcraven> Eclipse: Well, I'm in NA and ordered mine about 2 months ago. I'm still waiting.
[05:41] <knapjack> sascha__: ?
[05:41] <DunkMaster> /boot/grub
[05:41] <jeffco> Funraiser,  which codecs do i get?
[05:41] <IamJacksUsername> Any tips on ejecting a DVD that won't come out  after right clicking on it on the desktop and selecting eject? Opening Xine-ui and pressing eject doesn't do anything and playing the DVD and then clicking eject also does nothing. The eject button in the cd player doesn't do anything either.
[05:41] <Funraiser> jeffco, follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui (there are 7 steps)
[05:42] <DunkMaster> because when i boot it gives me only GRUB and no disk activity
[05:42] <Funraiser> jeffco, do step 3
[05:42] <IamJacksUsername> Pressing the actuall button on the hardware CD/DVD drive doesn't do anything either.
[05:42] <sascha__> knapjack, network/firewall/proxy. All this stuff is a bit new to me. I hoped to find a very easygoing solution for the problem
[05:42] <bdmp> stick a pin in the hole
[05:42] <IamJacksUsername> bdmp: that won't make the system unstable?
[05:42] <knapjack> sascha__: It's tough to get it figured out the first time, but you'll pick it up fast.  It's not too bad.
[05:43] <Eclipse> hold on... have you tryed to unmount the device as root
[05:43] <bdmp> i don't know sorry
[05:43] <knapjack> sascha__: Let me guess, you work in a school?
[05:43] <Funraiser> IamJacksUsername, right click eject on the icon
[05:43] <Eclipse> no sticking pins down any hole
[05:43] <bdmp> sorry
[05:43] <Funraiser> IamJacksUsername, nevermind
[05:43] <Flav> are you supposed to stick pins up the hole?
[05:43] <bdmp> knapjack: did you catch that last part about the faq?
[05:43] <Funraiser> yes
[05:43] <knapjack> bdmp: Let me read that a sec (and help sascha__)
[05:43] <Funraiser> sometimes
[05:44] <knapjack> Pins?  That sounds painful...
[05:44] <sascha__> knapjack, not really, but my own kids are old enough to enter cyberworld
[05:44] <George__> hey, is totem good movie player?
[05:45] <Eclipse> hahahahaha... very painful speccially if you're a cd rom!!!... hahahaha
[05:45] <^thehatsrule^> totem-xine is pretty well known
[05:45] <George__> i installed codecs and restarted but totem dont want to play WMV. Should i get xine?
[05:45] <karim> is it possible to do a debootrstrap as a user ?
[05:45] <knapjack> George__: It is, but you need some other libraries if you want to play MP4, DivX, etc.
[05:45] <George__> i got them all
[05:45] <George__> ubuntuguide.org followed
[05:45] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: "umount: /cdrom: not mounted"
[05:45] <DunkMaster> Thehatsrule, can i delete /boot/grub dir from ubuntu to stub loading ubuntu with grub?
[05:45] <George__> and it dun wanna work
[05:46] <knapjack> George__: Also check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <Flav> anyone maintain a blog on Ubuntu?  What do you use?  blosxom? tdiary? wordpress? scoop? something else?
[05:46] <George__> i know wmv is restricted
[05:46] <knapjack> sascha__: Gotcha
[05:46] <Eclipse> but is a dvd rom
[05:46] <IamJacksUsername> This happened before, and the CD player eject button then worked.
[05:46] <dcraven> Flav: Wordpress is great.
[05:46] <knapjack> sascha__: For the firewall, there's a package in Universe that can help, called firestarter.
[05:46] <Nalioth> who to write about the x86-centric ubuntuguide?
[05:46] <Eclipse> try umount /media/*
[05:47] <knapjack> bdmp: OK, so if you 'lsmod' do you see ndiswrapper listed?
[05:47] <IamJacksUsername> media has cdrom and cdrom0
[05:47] <Eclipse> * stands for the divice.. i don't know how it is with dvds
[05:47] <sascha__> knapjack, ok..installing
[05:47] <Eclipse> try both
[05:47] <sascha__> knapjack, I even got webmin up and running
[05:47] <dcraven> IamJacksUsername: They both point to the same place.
[05:47] <knapjack> sascha__: Ah, that'll help, too.
[05:48] <George__> removed totem gonna try xine-ui
[05:48] <Eclipse> and then eject it manually.. press the button
[05:48] <knapjack> sascha__: Oh, so what port does webmin run on?
[05:48] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: , dcraven: "umount: /media/cdrom0: not mounted" for both
[05:48] <sascha__> knapjack 10000
[05:48] <Funraiser> George, u won't regret it
[05:48] <knapjack> George__: That's a good player, too.
[05:48] <knapjack> sascha__: Just checking.
[05:48] <George__> hey, anyone kno how to remove limewire?
[05:48] <George__> i cant remove
[05:48] <DunkMaster> ok, i deleted it
[05:48] <George__> Funraiser: i know i won't i hate totem :D
[05:48] <DunkMaster> lets see what will happen
[05:48] <knapjack> sascha__: Did that work, pointing the browser's proxy at the dansguardian port?
[05:48] <Funraiser> George__, why do u want to remove it,
[05:49] <bdmp> knapjack: would it just say ndiswrapper?  I didn't see it.
[05:49] <George__> funraiser: it doesn't boot up
[05:49] <Eclipse> try to logout
[05:49] <George__> i did
[05:49] <knapjack> bdmp: I think so.  I've never used it, but from the URL you listed it looks like it should.
[05:49] <sascha__> knapjack, this is ther problem..I dont know what you are saying right now
[05:49] <knapjack> bdmp: You can also try to 'dmesg | grep ndis'
[05:49] <Eclipse> usually when you log out the process started as user is killed
[05:49] <ol4l> is there any tool to find out if for example my graphics card make my computer slow (i highly suspicious my ATI card)
[05:49] <Funraiser> George__, how did u install it,
[05:49] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: that kills the net connection?
[05:50] <knapjack> sascha__: Sorry, answering three questions at once.
[05:50] <George__> ubuntuguide
[05:50] <Eclipse> true.. my bad..
[05:50] <bdmp> knapjack: nothing on that
[05:50] <Funraiser> George__, try to launch it in a terminal to see what is says
[05:50] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: dial-up, charged per connection - so I'd rather pry it open (cheap bastard that I am)
[05:51] <knapjack> bdmp: Try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper again.
[05:51] <CarlK> what is the command to set my clock to a time server?
[05:51] <Funraiser> it*
[05:51] <George__> i can't dunno how 2
[05:51] <knapjack> CarlK: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
[05:51] <George__> what i type to launch in terminal
[05:51] <bdmp> knapjack: got a return
[05:51] <dcraven> IamJacksUsername: Where are you from? I've never heard of such an internet plan.
[05:51] <knapjack> UK, I bet
[05:52] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: in terminal... su
[05:52] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: root password
[05:52] <CarlK> knapjack -  * Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org...                         [fail]
[05:52] <IamJacksUsername> South Africa, telco monopoly, crap service, typical third world deal.
[05:52] <knapjack> bdmp OK, so now redo sudo ndiswrapper -m
[05:52] <DunkMaster> how can i get rid of GRUB?
[05:52] <Funraiser> limewire
[05:52] <CarlK> .ubuntulinux.org seems to be off the air
[05:52] <HappyFool> IamJacksUsername: R8 call for the weekend eh? :)
[05:52] <knapjack> CarlK: OK, try just sudo ntpdate ntp.cpsc.ucalgary.ca
[05:52] <George__> still cant watch wmv
[05:53] <IamJacksUsername> HappyFool:  Yipper.
[05:53] <bdmp> knapjack: modprobe config already contains alias directive
[05:53] <Juhaz> can someone confirm that "wnck" module in python2.4-gnome2-extras is broken?
[05:53] <knapjack> George__: You want your WMV?
[05:53] <Funraiser> George__, with xine?
[05:53] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: mount the divice... then umont it again
[05:53] <CarlK> knapjack - much better -thanks
[05:53] <George__> i install the multimedia codec
[05:53] <George__> installed xine
[05:53] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: ah!
[05:53] <George__> I trying to watch WMV
[05:53] <Funraiser> wmv works here on xine
[05:53] <knapjack> CarlK: You can Google for open NTP servers, and then change your default in /etc/ntp.conf I think.  Something like that.
[05:53] <George__> k i guess i doing something wrong
[05:54] <George__> just wmv
[05:54] <foxiness> can i know the speed or reed/write/rewrite of my cdrom drive ?
[05:54] <foxiness> or - of
[05:54] <CarlK> knapjack - thanks
[05:54] <Jormundgand> s/reed/read
[05:54] <kern> hey its me again
[05:55] <Funraiser> hey
[05:55] <Nalioth> George__, you are doing nothing wrong
[05:55] <knapjack> CarlK: No problem!
[05:55] <George__> y not go?
[05:55] <Nalioth> George__, microsoft hates us linux users, and some wmv absolutely will not play
[05:55] <kern> i've one broken pkg on the cd (xpdf-reader) and every time i try to reinstal it, it want me to use the cd
[05:55] <kern> i already run apt-get update but didn't help
[05:55] <Nalioth> kern, adjust your sources.list
[05:56] <Eclipse> ubuntu is debian besed??
[05:56] <kern> Nalioth i did it already :|
[05:56] <Nalioth> Eclipse, yes, isnt it wonderful?
[05:56] <Nalioth> kern, if you commented out any link to your x-rom, then it shouldnt be asking
[05:57] <Funraiser> by the way the name longhorn is because of GNU ? ( a gnu is also an animal that has horns... )
[05:57] <IamJacksUsername> Eclipse: I mounted it, then ran "eject cdrom" which did the trick! Thanks.
[05:57] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: haha
[05:58] <Funraiser> longhorn against GNU/linux ,u know, makes sense
[05:59] <Eclipse> IamJacksUsername: is the first time i help somebody with linux... it's a great experience... do it some time and i'll be tahked enough
[05:59] <kern> dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/x/xpdf/xpdf-reader_3.00-11ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:59] <kern>   still same crap :|
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: yes and back me up here. remember win me? so awesome so great! but we got to cut some features to release on time... then it sucked! sounds like longhorn now
[05:59] <kern> sry for pasting here
[05:59] <Eclipse> thanked enough
[05:59] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: longhorn = service pack 3
[05:59] <Eclipse> sorry.. my spelling is terrible
[06:00] <Nalioth> kern, that is a problem with the file itself (that was d/l)
[06:00] <kern> hmm.. any suggestions than?
[06:00] <Funraiser> hybrid_goth, yeah smallhorn should be the name
[06:00] <kern> i can't install anything without it
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: nohorn kinda like Billy
[06:00] <Funraiser> lol
[06:00] <Eclipse> bye bye
[06:00] <frogger^> last time someone asked me: "what is better, ubuntu or linux?" :)
[06:01] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: Of course you know why it's called Microsoft.
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> frogger^: lol
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> yup
[06:01] <deejaykay> what VNC software do most people recommend?  I used to use tight VNC in windows and I noticed that it is available for Linux.  Is tight VNC easy to configure in Ubuntu or should I use a different program?
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> frogger^: i my fav is "where can i get some gnu warez"
[06:01] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, i don't? (i think i'm gonna laugh on this one)
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: heh
[06:01] <frogger^> hybrid_goth :))
[06:02] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: It's what Bill's wife said on their wedding night. "Now I know why you called your company Microsoft."
[06:02] <Funraiser> lol
[06:02] <kern> Nalioth, i guess i can dl that file from the web but how to install it than manually (and or from the hdd)?
[06:02] <bdmp> knapjack: you around? any more guesses
[06:02] <bdmp> ?
[06:02] <Jormundgand> The sad thing is that he has passed his genome to another generation. That worries me more than anything labelled "trusted computing".
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: go to http://bbspot.com and scroll towards the bottom and click MS buys evil from satan; it is under classic and it is classic
[06:03] <knapjack> bdmp: Yep, still around, helping sascha__.  Just a minute...
[06:03] <bdmp> no prob
[06:03] <Nalioth> kern, once you get the .deb, you can use "sudo dpkg -i <pkgname>"
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> Jormundgand: did you here the grim reaper is liscencing the BSOD
[06:03] <HappyFool> kern: 'dpkg -i <package-file>'
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> kern: make sure you do it twice
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> :P
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> j/p
[06:04] <kern> :) thx guys
[06:04] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> hi
[06:04] <FX|Laptop> Hey just wondering if anyone has tried PearPc?
[06:04] <kern> twice?
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> kern: no
[06:04] <George__> guys could u
[06:04] <Funraiser> Jormundgand, she did not file for divorce though, i wonder what's keeping her...
[06:04] <FX|Laptop> I installed through apt, but can't seem to find it
[06:04] <George__> still wont' go
[06:04] <Jormundgand> Funraiser: Vendor-specific lock-in. ;)
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> kern: it was a joke b/c you were told twice
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> Funraiser: Jormundgand heh
[06:05] <ol4l> im not sure who was asking about ntpdate, but the file to change ntpservers were /etc/default/ntpdate changing that do another mirror worked for me
[06:05] <George__> How do i get this to work? any ideas?
[06:05] <George__> the codec things
[06:05] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: try dpkg -l PearPc (or maybe dpkg -l pearpc) in a terminal
[06:05] <kern> hehe. k hybrid_goth
[06:05] <poningru> question about firefox
[06:05] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: or use Synaptic to get a list of files belonging to the package
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> poningru: go ahead
[06:06] <poningru> have the devs agreed to update the UA string in the firefox
[06:06] <poningru> that comes with ubuntu?
[06:06] <karim> hi
[06:06] <andrewski> is it possible to add non-standard repositories and only use them for packages that aren't provided by ubuntu's?
[06:06] <FX|Laptop> Thanks and I found it now with the first command. Seems as though it really didn't install right though.
[06:06] <FX|Laptop> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[06:06] <FX|Laptop> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[06:07] <jinxi> ers may be able to follow these instructions, but some packages may not work (in particulr the ones from hoary-extras won't work).
[06:07] <jinxi> Disclaimer
[06:07] <jinxi> ops
[06:07] <FX|Laptop> thanks peeps. I'll download the cvs and go from there.
[06:07] <kern> worky!
[06:07] <poningru> anyone know?
[06:07] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: oh, hang on
[06:07] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: try dpkg -L pearpc
[06:08] <poningru> where do the devs hang out?
[06:08] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, sure you didnt want CHerryOS? its supposed to come out ootb, ready to go! <EG>
[06:08] <Funraiser> well, i've got germans to kill (no worries i'm just playing brothers in arms) see u all!
[06:08] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: sorry, -l is just to list the package
[06:08] <HappyFool> -L is for contents
[06:08] <FX|Laptop> HappyFool, Yea I found more there. Thanks
[06:08] <FX|Laptop> cherryos?
[06:08] <FX|Laptop> Never heard of that.
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> FX|Laptop: it stole from PEARPC then died
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, its a joke. CherryOS stole the code from pearpc and were selling it
[06:09] <FX|Laptop> ah ok. lol
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, it was supposed to be the greatest PPC emu around
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> yea
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, written in 3 short weeks!
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:09] <Nalioth> FX|Laptop, to emulate a G5!
[06:09] <Nalioth> ysssir
[06:10] <ruede> hallo
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: the never release a final tho man i was lookin forward to it
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> :P
[06:10] <hybrid_goth> **they
[06:10] <ol4l> is there any file to give options to a module when it loads? my 3com network card doesnt seems to be loaded as a 100mbit card
[06:10] <knapjack> bdmp: This is a lot like the instructions you sent, but it would be worthwhile to walk through them again: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[06:10] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, yes, i was waiting for the .tgz to have me an p/u number at the apple store for my hardware PPC emulater  :P
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> hahahaha
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: do you run MOL?
[06:11] <knapjack> bdmp: Especially that entry, try 'ndiswrapper -l' and if that fails, your installation is hosed somewhere, and you'll want to go through the installation again.
[06:11] <karim> when I reinstall a new system, can I keep everything in /var/lib ?
[06:11] <knapjack> (ndiswrapper, not ubuntu)
[06:12] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, no i do not
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: ah ok
[06:12] <bdmp> knapjack:ok
[06:12] <knapjack> karim: What do you mean everything?
[06:12] <karim> knapjack, the whole folder
[06:12] <knapjack> karim: Keep the existing stuff, or put everything in there?
[06:12] <bdmp> can I apt-get wine?
[06:12] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, was really wanting one of those litte 6"x6" emulators at the apple store
[06:12] <George__> how i watch DVDS?
[06:12] <karim> knapjack, I have things like cvs I will of course keep, but there is things I don't know
[06:12] <knapjack> bdmp: Maybe with Universe or Multiverse repositories added.
[06:12] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: havent heard of those
[06:13] <bdmp> got em
[06:13] <George__> what do i need to watch dvd
[06:13] <FX|Laptop> I'd like a mini myself. I just wish it had a better vid card
[06:13] <HappyFool> George__: i use xine for dvd's
[06:13] <bdmp> i'll be back in a while
[06:13] <knapjack> karim: Usually when you do a new install it will clobber a lot of libraries in /var/lib
[06:13] <George__> happyfool how
[06:13] <Nalioth> George__, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[06:13] <kernelek> alright - fluxbox is on :)
[06:13] <kernelek> thx again
[06:13] <bdmp> knapjack: wish me luck
[06:13] <George__> i have xine
[06:13] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, come on! the Mac Mini! 6x6x4
[06:13] <HappyFool> George__: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, or see Nalioth's link
[06:13] <knapjack> karim: It would be better to keep/move your CVS stuff to /usr or /usr/local somewhere, or just keep it in your home folder.
[06:13] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: ah hahaha
[06:14] <George__> y i just need to know how rto sart
[06:14] <kernelek> are there more sources i can add into the sources.list?
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: Mac Mini with tiger and ubuntu
[06:14] <karim> knapjack, someone told me it should be in /srv
[06:14] <knapjack> karim: I have a whole src/ hierarchy in my home folder, and /home on a separate partition just so I can do clean system installs and not lose all that stuff.
[06:14] <HappyFool> George__: well, xine is found under Applications -> Sound and video
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: never did like os x but i wanna try tiger
[06:14] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, Mac Mini under my taxicab drivers seat full of music
[06:14] <HappyFool> George__: but you'll probably need special libraries for DVD watching -- go to the URL's we pasted
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: nice.
[06:15] <George__> u mean codec?
[06:15] <knapjack> karim: It really depends on what you're working on.  If you have applications you've compiled and installed, some of them might break when you upgrade due to new libraries.
[06:15] <Nalioth> George__, yes codecs
[06:15] <George__> i got codec
[06:15] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: I'm on OSX now, but full-screen gnome session to my desktop.
[06:15] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: My wife's iBook is nice hardware.
[06:15] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: you like os x?
[06:15] <Nalioth> knapjack, you are ssh'd to your other hardware?
[06:15] <HappyFool> well, i was thinking decss stuff. just try xine and see if it works
[06:15] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Yep
[06:16] <knapjack> Nalioth: Yep
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: i am on a g3 ibook
[06:16] <HappyFool> if not, you'll obviously need to install more ;)
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: it was not enuff unix for me
[06:16] <Nalioth> knapjack, that is really coincidental, i'm on a ubuntu/ppc ssh'd into a osx/ppc
[06:16] <knapjack> hybrid_goth: Yeah, you really have to dig a bit.  Ubuntu run well on your iBook?
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:16] <Nalioth> knapjack, runs well on my iBook, also
[06:16] <knapjack> Nice
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: awesome and with a lil work the mutlimedia is as good as a mac
[06:17] <knapjack> Some guys at work have it running on some *old* iMacs and it runs pretty well.
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: osx/ppc? thats like windows/x86
[06:17] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, his linux isnt on his mac
[06:17] <FX|Laptop> I'm not aure I really like the way pearpc is setup during the apt install of it. I really don't know what the heck to do. lol
[06:17] <knapjack> My first experience with Linux was on PPC, and I'd love to go back someday.
[06:17] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, knapjack is ssh'd to his linux box
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i know but os x is only ppc
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: cool
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> god bless ssh
[06:18] <FX|Laptop> I've ran it before, but it was a while ago. I forgot how to do it. Plus I was on slack then and had it setup differently
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> my school has windoze computers but i ssh to there osx server
[06:18] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, if you are tru hardcore, you can get osx onto one of those old-ass motorola 9X cpus
[06:18] <knapjack> Nalioth: Yep, I have a ssh key with no passphrase, no WM on X on OSX, and I ssh -C -X somehost gnome-session and voila.
[06:18] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth:  would it be worth it tho
[06:18] <Nalioth> knapjack, *nix is great, isnt it?
[06:19] <knapjack> Nalioth: I do the same thing on a craptop from work.    I think it's shower, breakfast, etc.  Catch you guys later.
[06:21] <hybrid_goth> knapjack: good bye
[06:21] <andrewski> anyone know anything about apt pinning?
[06:22] <Nalioth> andrewski, apt what?
[06:22] <andrewski> Nalioth: i guess that's a no.
[06:22] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, redmond blood is lethally toxic stuff
[06:22] <Nalioth> andrewski, i want to learn. what is it?
[06:22] <andrewski> Nalioth: something about using multiple repositories.  i don't really know either. :)
[06:22] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: not if taken with enuff ppc/unix
[06:23] <HappyFool> andrewski: there's a page on the wiki
[06:23] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: see IE percentage is below 90 now
[06:23] <andrewski> HappyFool: great, i'll check it out.  Nalioth, catch that?
[06:23] <HappyFool> andrewski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[06:24] <HappyFool> to be honest it's not helluva obvious what's what, even after reading that page
[06:24] <ali4728> can I use Postfix to send email with dynamic IP, (no email receiving just sending)?
[06:25] <cyphase> ali4728, yes
are there lots of configurations?
[06:26] <appleseed> hi all. i had to symlink /usr/bin/python to point to python 2.3, for zope to work properly - but now when i try to run an app which uses pygtk, it can't import the gtk module
[06:26] <cyphase> ali4728, im not completely sure how to configure it, but from what i've read, its just about already configured
[06:26] <cyphase> im not sure though
[06:26] <appleseed> any ideas how i can fix that?
ok
[06:26] <Nalioth> andrewski, yes thx
[06:26] <andrewski> HappyFool: geez, gentoo was pretty awesome in this regard.
[06:26] <Parallaxx_> My firefox and internet with hoary is really slow how do I fix-it?
[06:27] <yonil> am i the only one who cant get firefox's "view source" to work since the last updates ?
[06:27] <HappyFool> appleseed: hmm. how about putting #!/usr/bin/env python2.4   at the top of your gtk python script ?
[06:28] <Nalioth> Parallaxx_, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[06:28] <HappyFool> appleseed: did you install zope with apt-get ? I'm suprised you'd have to do something like that symlink
[06:28] <Nalioth> HappyFool, where is your secret cache of urls?
[06:29] <Parallaxx_> Nalioth: but with apt is the same problem
[06:29] <HappyFool> Nalioth: err... that's a secret! (not sure what you mean ;)
[06:29] <andrewski> appleseed: which app?
[06:30] <HappyFool> andrewski: well, read the page and see what you think. I'm relatively new to apt
[06:30] <Nalioth> Parallaxx_, thats a ff fix
[06:30] <hybrid_goth> why does OOo have too be so HUGE
[06:30] <andrewski> HappyFool: it seems possible to do what i want to, but unnecessarily tedious.
[06:30] <Nalioth> HappyFool, do you keep a directory of ubuntu urls open to paste in here?
[06:30] <andrewski> hybrid_goth: is it larger than MS office?
[06:31] <Nalioth> andrewski, hybrid_goth is ANYTHING bigger than M$ Bloatware Suite?
[06:31] <HappyFool> Nalioth: heh. no. i do consult this page often: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UserDocumentation
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> andrewski: idk but it is *HUGE* i have never had to download MS office either
[06:31] <appleseed> HappyFool, andrewski the app is hal-device-manage
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: MS spyware/AV is prolly bigger
[06:31] <appleseed> but also the repositories dialog in synaptic doesn't appear either
[06:31] <andrewski> hybrid_goth: well, it's not and it's still a full-featured program so i wouldn't really complain. :P
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[06:32] <andrewski> appleseed: so you linked python to python-2.3?
[06:32] <bdmp> knapjack: the lspci command say that my driver wireless card is "0000:00:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless  LAN Controller (rev 03)
[06:32] <bdmp> ". But a link from the faq where i checked which driver i should use says, "Card: Averatec 3200/6100 Series Laptop
[06:32] <bdmp> Chipset: RaLink? RT2500 .Note that not all Averatecs have the RT2500, some have the broadcom 54G, I think." The command says broadcom, so does that mean that I should use a broadcom driver? If so which one? all the comps listed on that page have broadcom drivers. How do I know which one to use?
[06:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, but thats not an installable program
[06:32] <appleseed> i installed zope from sources
[06:32] <HappyFool> appleseed: forcing the python version to 2.3 is probably not a super-great idea ;)
[06:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, that is a growing problem (like cancer)
[06:32] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[06:32] <appleseed> andrewski, yeah because some zope stuff was looking for /usr/bin/python directly
[06:32] <HappyFool> try installing it from apt instead
[06:32] <andrewski> appleseed: why did you link and why did you install from source?
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> ha
[06:32] <appleseed> andrewski, had to install it from source because my boss told me to :)
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i meant their Antivirus and Spyware beta searcher w/e
[06:33] <HappyFool> appleseed: does zope install using a setup.py ?
[06:33] <andrewski> appleseed: like HappyFool said, it's not really a good idea to break python just to install zope from source.  why not use the ubuntu package?
[06:33] <appleseed> HappyFool,  i think it's ./configure
[06:33] <Enfer_Singe> hey guys, is it possible to burn iso's as bootable disks while using the ubuntu live cd?
[06:33] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, M$ Antivirus and Spyware? hmmm come here Mr. Fox, and Mr. COyote, I want you to guard my henhouse
[06:33] <appleseed> andrewski, yeah i guess. but i was told to use sources, so did that
[06:33] <HappyFool> appleseed: hrm. well, check (via configure --help) if you can specify the python interpreter
[06:34] <appleseed> HappyFool, will do
[06:34] <andrewski> appleseed: why?
[06:34] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: heh
[06:34] <appleseed> andrewski, not sure. when i started work they said install zope,postgres,psycopg etc from sources
[06:34] <zyga> appleseed: the build a package from source and install that
[06:34] <HappyFool> ex-gentoo user asks why to install from source... ;-)
[06:35] <andrewski> HappyFool: talking about me?
[06:35] <HappyFool> who, me? :P
[06:35] <appleseed> andrewski, HappyFool i've un-broken python now :) i'll play with the zope stuff
[06:36] <appleseed> while i'm here, can anyone recommend a good pda for up to 200?
[06:36] <andrewski> appleseed: does zope need a particular python version?
[06:36] <appleseed> andrewski, 2.3
[06:36] <andrewski> appleseed: 2.4 won't work?
[06:36] <HappyFool> actually, on my hoary, i don't even have python2.3
[06:36] <Enfer_Singe> can you burn bootable iso's in ubuntu live?
[06:37] <appleseed> andrewski, well, not zope directly, but at work we use psycopg as a database adapter between zope and postgres, and psycopg DOES require 2.3
[06:37] <andrewski> HappyFool: me either. :)
[06:37] <bdmp> Can someone help me out? I am resetting up my wireless card.  the lspci command say that my driver wireless card is "0000:00:09.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless  LAN Controller (rev 03)". But a link from the faq where i checked which driver i should use says, "Card: Averatec 3200/6100 Series LaptopChipset: RaLink? RT2500 .Note that not all Averatecs have the RT2500, some have the broadcom 54G, I think." The command s
[06:37] <bdmp> ays broadcom, so does that mean that I should use a broadcom driver? If so which one? all the comps listed on that page have broadcom drivers. How do I know which one to use?
[06:37] <FX|Laptop> /bin/sh: yacc: command not found
[06:37] <FX|Laptop> hmmm
[06:37] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, if you have an open cd-burner
[06:38] <Enfer_Singe> Nalioth, I do, what progam do I use to burn it, I am not seeing anything
[06:38] <HappyFool> FX|Laptop: try installing bison
[06:38] <FX|Laptop> k
[06:38] <HappyFool> i *think* bison provides an executable named yacc
[06:38] <Nalioth> guys, how do you burn cds from nautilus or the command for cdrecord to burn an iso image?
[06:39] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, sorry i know the capabilitys, but not the actual usage
[06:39] <andrewski> appleseed: that's unfortunate; anything that works in 2.3 should work in 2.4 AFAIK unless you're using deprecated functions.
[06:39] <BigJG> Who here uses antivirus? and if so, what do you use?
[06:39] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, you may try from the terminal "man cdrecord" and see if it enlightens you
[06:39] <Enfer_Singe> Nalioth, alright, I will keep exploring
[06:39] <HappyFool> if you right-click on an iso in nautilus, there should be a burn option
[06:39] <Enfer_Singe> alright, thanks
[06:39] <appleseed> andrewski, not sure what psycopg is doing tbh, i'm not a very good developer yet ;)
[06:39] <HappyFool> andrewski: maybe it's a C-level api thing?
[06:39] <Nalioth> BigJG, clamAV works pretty good (to protect my windoze using friendz)
[06:39] <andrewski> appleseed: me either. :P
[06:39] <BigJG> Nalioth: Thanks much!
[06:40] <andrewski> HappyFool: 'C-level'?
[06:40] <appleseed> andrewski, hehe
[06:40] <HappyFool> yeah, you know, the python C-api
[06:40] <appleseed> andrewski, i went there for a job in tech support, but because my main interest is software and mockups and stuff they offered me a developer job. i'm still trying to get to grips with it
[06:40] <HappyFool> or is psycopg pure python?
[06:40] <appleseed> HappyFool, c
[06:41] <FX|Laptop> getting alot of errors in the compile.
[06:42] <obelix> i founded one problem on ubuntu
[06:42] <obelix> i just mount it on macintosh
[06:42] <andrewski> obelix: one?  hey, that's pretty good.
[06:42] <obelix> i just mount it on macintosh
[06:42] <FX|Laptop> ok time to drywall. thanks for the help
[06:43] <obelix> but when i go on sh and i ask to do the login
[06:43] <Enfer_Singe> is nautilus included with the live cd...I don't see it and nothing seems to happen when I try to run it from the console
[06:43] <obelix> it say that can not be
[06:43] <HappyFool> doesn't the live cd go straight into gnome ?
[06:43] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, yea
[06:43] <obelix> because i am not a superuser
[06:43] <HappyFool> Enfer_Singe: are you running in a graphical environment ?
[06:43] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, yea
[06:44] <HappyFool> nautilus is the name of the file browser
[06:44] <andrewski> appleseed: it needs 2.3 because of the compiled C modules, just for the record.
[06:44] <Enfer_Singe> righhhhhht ;)
[06:44] <Enfer_Singe> my fault, was thinking it was something else
[06:45] <HappyFool> anyway, right click on an iso in nautilus, and see if you have a "burn" option (or something like that)
[06:45] <Grungy> could anyone help me out getting the ATI drivers installed?
[06:45] <jeffco> hello everyone. I'm a 1-day old Ubuntu user.
[06:45] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, there is a write to disk option, when I click it, I dont see anything about burning as an image though
[06:45] <jeffco> Ii have a question about skype.
[06:45] <Nalioth> jeffco, welcome to the next level
[06:45] <jeffco> anybody using skype?
[06:45] <jeffco> thanks Nalioth !
[06:45] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:45] <HappyFool> Enfer_Singe: just a sec, let me see what mine looks like
[06:45] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, perhaps the terminal and "man cdrecord"?
[06:45] <jeffco> Goodbye windows, hello Linux!
[06:46] <obelix> the second as user
[06:46] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:46] <andrewski> jeffco: welcome. :D
[06:46] <BigJG> rock on jeffco
[06:46] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:46] <Grungy> hey jeffco, same here.  Finally decided to stop duelbooting and go strait unbuntu
[06:46] <Choubaka> jeffco: I am using Skype .P
[06:46] <obelix> i got 2 access 1 as superuser
[06:46] <BigJG> jeffco: what issue are you having with skype?
[06:46] <Nalioth> jeffco, you will learn much using linux
[06:46] <andrewski> obelix: would you please stop repeating yourself?
[06:46] <obelix> i gothe second as user
[06:46] <HappyFool> Enfer_Singe: i think write to disc is what you want...
[06:46] <jeffco> You see, there is a program called Hotrecorder.com, but it's only available for windows. Is there a program for linux that allows me to do the same thing as Hotrecorder, namely to be able to do voice mail with Skype?
[06:46] <HappyFool> what happens when you select it?
[06:47] <Enfer_Singe> HappyFool, alright
[06:47] <obelix> because all you digit afteri finish to spoke
[06:47] <HappyFool> i get a little box asking me about write options etc
[06:47] <BigJG> is this for VoIP?
[06:47] <HappyFool> i have used it successfully before ;)
[06:47] <jeffco> BigJG, yes hotrecorder is a program that works alongside skype.
[06:48] <Enfer_Singe> Nalioth, I will just burn it as HappyFool said, but I dont see anything about burning images when in the man pages
[06:48] <andrewski> appleseed: http://initd.org/projects/psycopg2 ... uses 2.4
[06:48] <appleseed> andrewski, cool thanks. i'll take a look
[06:48] <jeffco> but there is no linux version available. is there another linux equivalent to that? BigJG , Choubaka ?
[06:48] <obelix> the computer nod give me the possibility to do mount about any pheripherics
[06:48] <Nalioth> Enfer_Singe, cdrecord will burn your .iso image
[06:48] <obelix> to reboot
[06:48] <obelix> or to do the shutdown
[06:48] <HappyFool> yeah, cdrecord works but nautilus is waaay easier
[06:48] <Enfer_Singe> eh, if for some reason this doesnt work, I will use that
[06:48] <obelix> it say that i am not a super user
[06:48] <Choubaka> hotrecorder.. I don't know.
[06:49] <HappyFool> obelix: try 'sudo <command>'
[06:49] <Nalioth> jeffco, search http://sourceforge.net or http://freshmeat.net for apps of all kindz
[06:49] <Grungy> can someone please give me a hand getting the ATI drivers to work (9800xt in particular, if that helps)?  i checked out a few sites on the topic, but i'm rather new to unbuntu and they didnt help much
[06:49] <BigJG> jeffco: I am doing some searching right now, I don't know of anything off the top of my head
[06:49] <obelix> i just do it
[06:49] <HappyFool> when it asks for a password, enter your user password
[06:49] <ablyss> hey obelix.. that you?
[06:49] <cyphase> everyone go srm/ yourself
[06:49] <cyphase> ;)
[06:49] <cyphase> sudorm/
[06:49] <obelix> i digit my userid and password
[06:50] <obelix> and it say password incorrect
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> the infamous root question has been asked so many time we will need to count it in hex a dex 0x3333333333333333
[06:50] <BigJG> jeffco: I am assuming the implementation is SIP based? Or is it H.323
[06:50] <obelix> the first is userid is rms and password root
[06:51] <HappyFool> obelix: try 'sudo ls'   . It should ask for a password. Enter your password *only*, not your userid
[06:51] <obelix> the second is asterix and password root
[06:51] <HappyFool> does that work, or not?
[06:51] <antix> podcast software?
[06:51] <xfSx> hey how do i setup me ubuntu to auto dial-in to isp at bootup?
[06:51] <obelix> the second ok
[06:51] <HappyFool> oh, the second user can't sudo unless you add him to /etc/sudoers
[06:51] <obelix> but i am only one user
[06:51] <fsapo> hi all, anybody could help me with a video problem?
[06:52] <hybrid_goth> fsapo: ask...
[06:52] <HappyFool> you just said you had two users *confusion*
[06:52] <fsapo> my videos are looking strange in totem.. its like sharpening the borders
[06:52] <fsapo> in mplayer its smooth, but its crashing with ac3 sound -_-
[06:52] <obelix> the first is superuser
[06:52] <fsapo> is there some kind of anti-aliasing feature or option in totem-xine?
[06:53] <HappyFool> obelix: i don't understand, sorry
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> fsapo: so the video works in mplayer but not the sound?
[06:54] <HappyFool> obelix: i don't want to be rude, but have you asked in #ubuntu-it ? there might be fewer language problems
[06:54] <fsapo> hybrid_goth, it give me an error and doesnt work at all
[06:54] <antix> fsapo, I get the best results in xine. I followed instructions in www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:54] <fsapo> hybrid_goth, with mp3 audio it works fine
[06:54] <jeffco> thanks, BigJG. i don't know whether the implementation is SIP based orH.323? in fact, i don't know what those terms means.
[06:54] <Nalioth> wow new dvdripper on freshmeat
[06:55] <fsapo> antix, but my video is looking strange in xine, the subtitles border for example arent looking smooth
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> antix: whats the link
[06:55] <Nalioth> i am such a geek
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: most of us in here are
[06:55] <hybrid_goth> **fest
[06:56] <Grungy> how can i get the kernel version of my install?  i'm following the guide on the forums to install the ati drivers, but I'm not sure what to replace the kernel version with
[06:56] <fsapo> i ll take a screenshot with both videos
[06:56] <antix> hybrid_goth, http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> fsapo: get the link?
[06:57] <antix> fsapo, ok thought you said you were using totem
[06:57] <Anubis> where is the latest gaim for ubuntu?
[06:57] <fsapo> antix, i m using totem, but totem uses xine
[06:57] <antix> fsapo, ok :)
[06:57] <jeffco> BigJG, are you there?
[06:58] <BigJG> jeffco: Yea, I am still searching.
[06:58] <antix> Anubis, I'm using 1.1.4
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Grungy:  uname -r
[06:58] <Grungy> thanks
[06:59] <fsapo> antix, hybrid_goth, i m uploading the screenshots
[06:59] <Anubis> antix, they are at 1.30 now!?
[06:59] <appleseed> urgh, i'm trying to tell psycopg to use python2.3, but it's still using 2.4
[06:59] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a server i can get ssh acces to for free?
[07:00] <antix> Anubis, oh really, hm and I'd like the latest firefox...
[07:01] <fsapo> antix, hybrid_goth, this one is with MPlayer, look how the subtitles are smooth http://img184.echo.cx/img184/5523/screenshot2mg.png
[07:01] <appleseed> i'll play with it later:) thanks for the help earlier folks
[07:01] <jeffco> nalioth, is there value to the much learning that one gets from using linux?
[07:01] <Anubis> antix, i swear I think the latest firefox is buggy
[07:02] <Nalioth> jeffco, yes there is
[07:02] <fsapo> antix, hybrid_goth, now this one is with xine http://img177.echo.cx/img177/428/screenshot11lz.png
[07:02] <Anubis> my ubuntu  only freezes when I used it
[07:02] <antix> Anubis, ok but I can't install plugins unless I upgrade I think
[07:02] <fsapo> look how the subtitles are crisp :(
[07:03] <misieq> how can i make set resolution higher than 640x480 while using kdm?
[07:03] <Nalioth> jeffco, you can learn to program in many different languages (w/o worrying about a $1500 package from M$)
[07:03] <kernelek> yes - thats me again :)
[07:03] <Anubis> unless there was a bad update that brole my ubuntu
[07:04] <fsapo> anyone knows why my xine video is creapy like that? :(
[07:04] <kernelek> is it a good idea (and does it work than) if i add http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/ to the sources.list?!
[07:04] <thoreauputic> misieq: your resolution has nothing to do with kdm: try running ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg `
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> jeffco: you can learn howto run a real os
[07:05] <NeoEcoS> hello i got problems with cdrecord -scanbus
[07:05] <NeoEcoS> anyone can helpme
[07:05] <NeoEcoS> ?
[07:05] <antix> fsapo, are the subtitles added from a text file?
[07:05] <fsapo> antix, no
[07:05] <Nalioth> NeoEcoS, are you root?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> kernelek: no, it won't work
[07:05] <fsapo> antix, the video itself is crisp
[07:05] <misieq> thoreauputic, but when i used gdm i could set 1280x960
[07:05] <BigJG> jeffco: I am still reading it but check out http://linuxathome.com/index.php?p=235
[07:05] <jeffco> Choubaka, have you heard of hotrecorder.com? it allows a windows user to do voice mail with skype for free. Skype has this feature available, too, but for a price!)
[07:05] <fsapo> antix, but you can see it better in the subtitles
[07:06] <Choubaka> jeffco: no. :/
[07:06] <rushibhai> hi. any news on amd64 and openoffice2 beta yet?
[07:06] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth offcourse
[07:06] <jamesio> hello again
[07:06] <kernelek> thoreauputic are the more server i can add than? on that servers i've now isn't even xmms inside
[07:06] <thoreauputic> misieq: as I said, it has nothing to do with gdm/kdm - it's an X issue
[07:06] <antix> fsapo, I like the crisp one better :)
[07:06] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth i'm under hoary 2.6.10-5-k7
[07:06] <jamesio> if you guys ever get the desire to buy a new case, I suggest the Antec Super Lanboy
[07:06] <thoreauputic> kernelek: you need to enable universe
[07:06] <jamesio> super light, pretty much silent, and it has the perfect compliment of ports/lights on front
[07:06] <fsapo> antix, =/ but i want it smoother :P
[07:06] <misieq> all right, i'll give it a try
[07:06] <John6000>  hello sorry for the stupid question but how do you delete files in ternimal del doesnt work
[07:07] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth i'm trying to burn an iso from a terminal using cdrecord
[07:07] <Choubaka> John6000: rm
[07:07] <kernelek> thoreauputic i did
[07:07] <John6000> thanks
[07:07] <kernelek> all 6 urls
[07:07] <antix> Anubis, anything special you found buggy in new firefox?
[07:07] <jeffco> i just installed firefox 1.0.4 and deleted 1.0.2. it seems that now, rightclicking links in Xchat does not open them up in firefox. What's the problem?
[07:07] <BigJG> linux may not see the updated Firefox as your default browser
[07:08] <thoreauputic> kernelek: well, xmms should not be a problem: did you reload/ update?
[07:08] <kernelek> ah.. forgot the 1th 2 server!
[07:08] <kernelek> :|
[07:08] <kernelek> k
[07:08] <Nalioth> NeoEcoS, great! the terminal is your friend
[07:08] <kernelek> did it
[07:08] <antix> jeffco, where did you get the new firefox? was it a deb?
[07:09] <xfSx> jeffco i got the same prob
[07:09] <xfSx> i installed 1.0.4 off the firefox website
[07:09] <xfSx> and put it in home
[07:09] <NeoEcoS> Nalioth i saw a master figthing with warty using symbolic links /dev/pg* to /dev/hdb to make cdrecord -scanbus working but i can't now
[07:10] <jeffco> antix, it was from firefox. it was a tar.gz file.
[07:10] <Choubaka> well, those packages don't inform debian at all that they're installed.
[07:10] <Choubaka> so debian can't configure them :/
[07:10] <jeffco> antix, i got it from firefox website, just like xfSx.
[07:10] <Anubis> Sarge is now frozen!   Wheeeeeee!!!
[07:10] <Nalioth> jeffco, see? you are learning already
[07:10] <Anubis> This is good for ubuntu right?
[07:11] <antix> ok