[00:59] <smoser> m_3, do the SRU stuff.  ie, write justification and everything
[00:59] <smoser> and if you wanted, you could foward a debdiff to the debian bug that is there.
[01:01] <m_3> smoser: cool, thanks!
[01:02]  * m_3 looking up "SRUs for dummies"
[01:02] <smoser> m_3, ping me when you have justifcation done and I can do the upload to oneiric-proposed if there is no oneelse around.
[01:02] <smoser> i'm gonna mostly be out till budapest though so you might want to look for someone else.
[01:02] <smoser> good work on getting that fixed though
[01:02] <m_3> thanks, yeah it's been a ghost-town around here
[01:03] <m_3> I've got a ppa with it fixed for oneiric, so there's no particular hurry
[01:03] <m_3> have a great break man... see you in budapest
[01:08] <smoser> well, the archive is 100% broken for that package, so that is pretty bad.
[01:23]  * SpamapS will +1 it right into oneiric-proposed :)
[01:40] <PerfM> woooooooooooo
[01:40] <PerfM> I love ubuntu!
[01:50] <Zanzacar> Just curious if anyone could answer this for me. I can sftp into my server through the terminal and through filezilla. Through the terminal I transfer at 11mbps through filezilla I transfer at 8-9mbps.
[01:50] <Zanzacar> does anyone know why that would be?
[01:50] <qman__> probably a math error in one program or the other
[01:51] <Zanzacar> so one isnt actually slower then the other then?
[01:51] <qman__> not likely, they could also be negotiating different encryption sets, or filezilla could be measuring actual file throughput while the other program is measuring total connection throughput
[01:51] <qman__> lots of reasons those numbers can be different
[01:52] <Zanzacar> gotcha sounds good.
[01:52] <qman__> the only real way to measure would be to download the same large file and time it
[01:52] <PerfM> I do
[01:52] <PerfM> Zanzacar, glad we could help ^_^
[01:52] <Zanzacar> I am going to test it out and see if there is any differences
[01:53] <qman__> also, IIRC, filezilla displays the average over the whole connection
[01:54] <qman__> the other program may be measuring the current rate instead
[01:54] <Zanzacar> it is just sftp over the terminal
[01:55] <PerfM> pangolin, HI!
[01:55] <PerfM> pangolin, sorry for the ping!
[01:58] <m_3> smoser SpamapS: I think I have everything for an SRU on bug #854866
[01:59]  * m_3 sure hope that all works :)
[02:00] <smoser> m_3,  just copy your comment to a section in the description
[02:00] <smoser> other than that, loooks good.
[02:01] <m_3> smoser: smoser ok, did that
[02:02] <twb> Zanzacar: most likely case is one is measuring megabytes (1000) and one is measuring mibibytes (1024)
[02:02] <twb> Zanzacar: it could also be scp vs. sftp -- the former has slightly less overhead.
[02:10] <smoser> m_3, ok. i just uploaded to oneiric-proposed.
[02:10] <smoser> then, it needs an SRU admin (SpamapS or pitti) to approve it into -proposed
[02:10] <smoser> the one change from the oneiric is (as you stated) the version number.
[02:11] <smoser> 3.1.7-2ubuntu0.1 is what i used, which is < anything in precise
[02:11] <smoser> following the chart at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[02:15] <m_3> smoser: ok, thanks
[02:37] <smoser> :q
[03:00] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/RMpM2bdA <-- x2270 m2 sees only one disk.. any idea what I can do short from rebooting the server
[03:01] <axisys> tons of error like this http://pastebin.com/319gGafB for sdb
[03:32] <axisys> during boot I saw both disks
[03:33] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/25STEpin <-- from /var/log/dmesg
[03:33] <axisys> but now only one
[03:33] <axisys> they both are internal disk
[03:33] <axisys> i wonder if my co-worker broke sdb while attaching it to raid1
[03:34] <axisys> (parted) p
[03:34] <axisys> Error: /dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label
[03:36] <axisys> smartctl --all /dev/sdb -T permissive says
[03:36] <axisys> SMART Health Status: OK
[04:22] <axisys> rebooted the system
[04:23] <axisys> now I can see sdb
[09:24] <twister004> hi guys... how can I automate reverse ssh on my ubuntu server?... I need to connect to this box using reverse ssh.... can I use a script at bootup?.. I tried this but it doesn't work
[09:31] <Jeeves_> twister004: You can create some ssh keys
[09:31] <Jeeves_> and create an upstart script for it
[09:31] <twister004> Jeeves_: ahem... how do I do that :D
[09:36] <Jeeves_> twister004: ssh-keygen -t rsa on the box behind nat
[09:36] <Jeeves_> Don't enter a passphrase
[09:37] <Jeeves_> vi /etc/init/rssh.conf
[09:37] <twister004> Jeeves_... I did that... I want to know how I can automate this tunnel... how it can be auto-established upon reboot
[09:37] <Jeeves_> exec ssh -i $homedir/.ssh/id_rsa
[09:37] <twister004> ??
[09:37] <Jeeves_> Create an upstart job
[09:37] <Jeeves_> That will run ssh
[09:39] <Jeeves_>  /etc/init/udev.conf can be used as basic script
[09:39] <twister004> Jeeves_.. how do I create an upstart Job?.. I created a .sh file with 'autossh' running... and edited crontab.... @reboot /usr/local/bin/script.sh
[09:39] <Jeeves_> replace exec udevd --daemon with 'ssh -i $path_to_id_rsa $remoteuser@$remotebox'
[09:39] <Jeeves_> remove the 'expect fork' file
[09:40] <Jeeves_> s/file/line
[09:40] <twister004> Jeeves_.. could you start from the beginning... I lost you somtime back
[09:40] <Jeeves_> cp /etc/init/udev.conf /etc/init/rssh.conf
[09:40] <Jeeves_> vi /etc/init/rssh.conf
[09:41] <Jeeves_> replace exec udevd --daemon with 'ssh -i $path_to_id_rsa $remoteuser@$remotebox'
[09:41] <Jeeves_> remove the 'expect fork' line
[09:41] <Jeeves_> That should work, I think
[09:42] <twister004> Jeeves_... /etc/init/rssh.conf doesnt exist
[09:42] <Jeeves_> Indeed
[09:43] <Jeeves_> If you didn't do 'cp /etc/init/udev.conf /etc/init/rssh.conf', it won't exist
[09:44] <twister004> Jeeves_... $path_to_id_rsa should be the path to authorized_keys file correct?
[09:44] <Jeeves_> No
[09:44] <Jeeves_> id_rsa
[09:45] <twister004> Jeeves_... isn't id_rsa the local key?
[09:45] <Jeeves_> Yes
[09:45] <Jeeves_> And the ssh client on the local machine must use that specific keys
[09:45] <Jeeves_> the authorized_keys on $remotebox should have the line in id_rsa.pub in it
[09:46] <twister004> Jeeves_... I lost you there... what about passwordless ssh?
[09:47] <Jeeves_> That's what the keys are for
[09:47] <Jeeves_> You create a ssh key
[09:47] <Jeeves_> you end up with two files
[09:47] <twister004> yes
[09:47] <Jeeves_> id_rsa and id_rsa.pub
[09:47] <Jeeves_> the .pub file is the public key
[09:48] <Jeeves_> You copy/paste the contents into authorized_keys on any remote box you want
[09:48] <twister004> yes
[09:48] <twister004> yes
[09:48] <Jeeves_> id_rsa will be used by the local client to connect to the remote server
[09:48] <Jeeves_> if the remote server can verify the local key with the public key
[09:48] <Jeeves_> You are granted access
[09:49] <twister004> Jeeves_.. but then what should be edited in the id_rsa.pub file?
[09:50] <twister004> Jeeves_... in the rssh.conf file... is the following command correct?.. 'ssh -i /root/.ssh/ root@remote_hostname''
[09:51] <Jeeves_> Nothing should be edited in the .pub file
[09:51] <Jeeves_> I never said that :)
[09:51] <Jeeves_> -i should be /root/.ssh/id_rsa
[09:52] <twister004> ohk... so.. then... after the reboot of the source, the tunnel will be established... and how to I connect to to the source from the destination?
[09:53] <Jeeves_> http://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling
[09:54] <twister004> Jeeves_... I followed that same link and did it manually... I dont know how to automate the process
[09:55] <Jeeves_> twister004: You could think about combining my comments with the link you read
[09:56] <twister004> Jeeves_.. so instead of the command u specified, I just enter the command from the link?
[09:56] <Jeeves_> Combine the two, yes
[09:58] <twister004> Here goes nothing... commencing reboot :)
[09:58] <Jeeves_> You don't need to reboot
[09:58] <twister004> ?
[09:58] <Jeeves_> You can also type 'start rssh'
[09:59] <twister004> Jeeves_... I want to test it during bootup
[09:59] <twister004> coz the machine is going to be moved behind a firewall, and we wont have access to it
[10:01] <twister004> it doesn't work... and when I do a 'start rssh'... it gives me the following error - 'start: Unknown job: rssh'
[10:04] <twister004> Jeeves_.. any inputs?
[10:08] <Jeeves_> Oh
[10:08] <Jeeves_> Ehm
[10:08] <twister004> did I do something wrong?
[10:09] <Jeeves_> No, something needs to be refreshed
[10:10] <Jeeves_> initctl reload-configuration
[10:10] <twister004> wat's tjat?
[10:10] <Jeeves_> That tells upstart that there is a new file, iirc
[10:10] <twister004> it didnt work
[10:10] <twister004> still the same
[10:11] <Jeeves_> the file is called /etc/init/rssh.conf, right?
[10:11] <twister004> yes
[10:12] <Jeeves_> Works for me
[10:13] <twister004> huh/
[10:13] <Jeeves_> If I copy /etc/init/udev.conf to /etc/init/rssh.conf
[10:13] <twister004> ?
[10:13] <Jeeves_> I can run 'start rssh' without any issues
[10:13] <twister004> I did that
[10:13] <twister004> let me do it again
[10:15] <twister004> it didnt work
[10:16] <Jeeves_> can you pastebin the command 'cat /etc/init/rssh.conf' ?
[10:17] <twister004> Jeeves_.. here you go : http://pastebin.com/hnxNAKYK
[10:18] <Jeeves_> http://pastebin.com/C8yJMNBE
[10:18] <Jeeves_> That might work better
[10:18] <Jeeves_> http://pastebin.com/diff.php?i=C8yJMNBE
[10:18] <Wolfsherz> hello, when i created a ssh-key on my laptop, and copied the public part to the servers ~/.ssh directory the login via key works. will i be able to put my private key to my other machine or do i need to create a new key to connect with it?
[10:19] <Jeeves_> Wolfsherz: Private key can be transferred
[10:19] <Wolfsherz> Jeeves_: ok, but the public key has the computers user@hostname in it. is that a problem when connecting with the private key from another host?
[10:19] <Jeeves_> no
[10:20] <Jeeves_> That's just a comment
[10:20] <andol> Wolfsherz: You can copy your private key to the other machine, but really it is better/safer solution to create a new private key on the other machine.
[10:20] <Wolfsherz> andol: why is it safer do to so?
[10:20] <Wolfsherz> Jeeves_: thank you
[10:20] <twister004> Jeeves_.. ok.. the 'start rssh' worked... thanks!... but how do I connect back from the other side?
[10:21] <Jeeves_> twister004: You said you read that page on howtoforge :)
[10:21] <andol> Wolfsherz: In case you lose on of the computers, you can more easily revoke that public key.
[10:21] <andol> s/on/one/
[10:21] <twister004> Jeeves_... I did... and I tried 'ssh localhost -19999'... it refuses the connection
[10:22] <Jeeves_> twister004: I'd try -p 19999
[10:22] <Wolfsherz> andol: i have to paste that other pubkey to authorized_keys too then, right?
[10:22] <Jeeves_> And check if the ssh connection is really up
[10:22] <twister004> Jeeves_.. oops I typed it correctly... it doesn't work
[10:22] <andol> Wolfsherz: Yes
[10:22] <twister004> Jeeves_... using ps?
[10:22] <Jeeves_> twister004: And where is autossh located?
[10:23] <Wolfsherz> andol: and to revoke a public key i just remove that key from authorized_keys, or is there another way?
[10:23] <andol> Wolfsherz: exactly
[10:23] <Wolfsherz> andol: great, thank you
[10:24] <twister004> Jeeves_... I installed autossh
[10:24] <Jeeves_> Ah, ok.
[10:24] <twister004> it's under /usr/bin
[10:24] <Jeeves_> No clue what that is
[10:24] <Jeeves_> replace 'autossh' with '/usr/bin/ssh'
[10:25] <twister004> Jeeves_.. ok
[10:25] <twister004> Jeeves_... 'ps -ef | grep ssh' shows the process
[10:26] <Jeeves_> ok
[10:26] <twister004> Jeeves_... so, for some reason, the ssh is not working?.. even though the process is running in the background
[10:27] <Jeeves_> twister004: I can't see that from here, can I?
[10:27] <Jeeves_> Check if the proces you see still is the same
[10:27] <twister004> Jeeves_.. ill send u the output
[10:28] <Jeeves_> Check if the command is actually working by executing it yourselve
[10:29] <twister004> Jeeves_... it worked!!
[10:29] <twister004> you're awesome!!!!
[10:29] <twister004> Jeeves_.. will it autorun at bootup?
[10:29] <Jeeves_> it should, probably
[10:29] <Jeeves_> You might need to change 'start on'
[10:30] <twister004> Jeeves_.. what's that :(
[10:33] <twister004> Jeeves_.. actually, it stopped workin again... please see the pastebin contents... it's the output of 'ps -ef | grep ssh' 'http://pastebin.com/a6zDRFgt'
[10:34] <twister004> Jeeves_ it works now... sorry!
[10:37] <twister004> Jeeves_... however, it doesn't run at bootup.... please advise how I need to modify 'start on'
[10:38] <Jeeves_> set 'start on' to 'networking', I think
[10:38] <twister004> Jeeves_.. how do I do that... is that a command?
[10:38] <Jeeves_> grmbl
[10:38] <Jeeves_> Read the file /etc/init/rssh.conf
[10:45] <twister004> Jeeves_... sorry!... I changed it, but it still doesnt work on bootup
[10:56] <koolhead11> hi all
[11:00] <Jeeves_> twister004: No clue then
[11:55] <l456> Is 12.04 going to ship with ruby 1.9.1 ??
[11:57] <l456> Rails needs 1.9.2 and the latest stable is 1.9.3, it will be a major pain if it ships with 1.9.1 which few (if any) Ruby devs use...
[12:53] <pmatulis> <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:43] <pmatulis> quiet here today
[16:45]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[16:50] <enrichedd> idk y but i got booted and banned from the ubuntu channel...
[16:51] <Pici> enrichedd: Please use #ubuntu-ops if you'd like to get that resolevd.
[16:53] <enrichedd> ty
[16:55] <rbasak> robbiew: I've been poking the debian experimental version of openmpi today. It FTBFS on armel. I'm just trying a rebuild of 1.4.x to check its not my environment
[16:56] <rbasak> (but also it failed on Debian)
[16:56] <rbasak> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=openmpi&suite=experimental
[16:56] <robbiew> rbasak: cool...well if it's crap, then this will be an easy blueprint :)
[16:56] <robbiew> we have some time, given the package is in universe
[16:56] <rbasak> robbiew: hopefully won't be too hard to fix :)
[17:13] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, pushed cobbler update with that fix from yesterday and 2 more to cobbler-ubuntu-import
[17:31] <PedroGomes> Hi, I have two Ubuntu server installations with the same sudoers file, being that one as a root login and the other not.
[17:31] <PedroGomes> Now I have a user X, and in the sudoers I have "X ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/puppetca" on both machines.
[17:31] <PedroGomes> If I run the command puppetca with user X without sudo or pass on one of the machines it works, on the other I need sudo. What is the difference?
[17:36] <genii-around> "being that one has a root login"
[17:39] <PedroGomes> genii-around: thats the difference? in the machine with a root login I have to use always the sudo command ?
[17:44] <genii-around> PedroGomes: The other way around, likely.
[17:45] <genii-around> If you're logged on as root, any command you issue automatically has the elevated rights that the sudo command is supposed to be used for.
[17:45] <PedroGomes> genii-around: thanks, but I already found my error after an half a day…
[17:46] <PedroGomes> I forget to add the user to the group that owns most of the folders affected by the command
[17:52] <smoser> hallyn, did you read the bug ?
[17:52] <smoser> i described how i triggered it.
[18:02] <hallyn> smoser: you said "i ran an instance".
[18:02] <smoser> inside devstack
[18:02] <smoser> did you try that ?
[18:02] <smoser> with that image?
[18:02] <smoser> /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/01-00-16-3e-3e-aa-03
[18:03] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, ^ how do i make cobbler udpate that file
[18:03] <hallyn> I don't know what devstack is.   We haven't decided yet when the other packages will be removed from the archive.
[19:39] <mdeslaur> gondoi: is there anything else you would like to know?
[19:40] <gondoi> mdeslaur: okay, well i was thinking more in the terms of a server that is running apps with it
[19:40] <gondoi> i.e. tomcat and such
[19:40] <mdeslaur> gondoi: I'd suggest trying to migrate to either openjdk or to oracle's java sometime in january
[19:41] <gondoi> i work at a hosting provider and I am trying to figure out the impact for our customers
[19:41] <gondoi> okay
[19:41] <gondoi> thank you mdeslaur
[19:41] <mdeslaur> gondoi: you're welcome
[20:43] <Wolfsherz> hello, i have got a serious problem after fiddling with ssh-keys on my server. i can not connect anymore with the error: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[20:44] <Wolfsherz> i already booted the server in rescue mode to delete the authorized_keys in my home-directory. i also removed the private and public key on my machine at home.
[20:53] <smoser> ok server people, RoAkSoAx adam_g SpamapS .
[20:53] <smoser> i'm almost EOY
[20:53] <smoser> but i just pushed to lp:~orchestra/orchestra/odev
[20:54] <smoser> its largely a work in progress, but i'm sure that each of you, if wanted could get it going
[20:54]  * kirkland waves at smoser
[20:54] <smoser> (cobbler-devenv -> odev)
[20:54] <smoser> hola crypto people
[20:55] <EvilResistance> Wolfsherz:  can you do ssh -vv (that's two v's)?  that'll tell you why its being closed at the remote host.
[20:57] <Wolfsherz> EvilResistance: I dont think that is possible as i can not connect to that server anymore. I can only boot a rescue-system
[21:06] <Wolfsherz> i get a lot of these: http://paste.ubuntu.com/779112/
[21:06] <Wolfsherz> in /var/log/auth.log
[21:11] <Wolfsherz> this is my /etc/ssh/sshd_config http://paste.ubuntu.com/779121/
[22:24] <yakster> can someone please help me with some syntax
[22:25] <yakster> I can't get stab to mount my NAS hdd, I can do it manual, but not fstab
[22:25] <yakster> sudo mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/GoFlex\ Home\ Public/ /media/GoFlex -o username=matthew,password=4546413,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777
[22:25] <yakster> that works fine
[22:26] <yakster> /<IP_ADDRESS>/GoFlex\ Home\ Public/ /media/GoFlex cifs username=matthew,password=4546413,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0
[22:26] <yakster> and that cases /home to not mount….
[22:32] <yakster> ???
[23:01] <erichammond> yakster: What errors are you getting on the attempt to mount the cifs with /etc/fstab ?
[23:16] <yakster> error line 13… line 13 is the //192 line
[23:18] <yakster> line 13 is stab is bad
[23:40] <sixstringsg|afk> Is it possible on a dedicated server that I do not have physical access to to increase the size of the / partition?
[23:46] <ikonia> sixstringsg|afk: if it's not under lvm control, no
[23:47] <sixstringsg|afk> Can I symlink it to part of another partition to increase it?
[23:47] <sixstringsg|afk> It's 10Gb right now, I don't know how big it should be honestly.
[23:47] <ikonia> no
[23:47] <sixstringsg|afk> Or if I can clean some stuff out.
[23:47] <yakster> can someone help me out with some stab syntax?
[23:47] <ikonia> sixstringsg: you can symlink dir's - but you still can't change it's size
[23:48] <yakster> fstab syntax
[23:48] <ikonia> sixstringsg: you certainly can clean stuff out
[23:48] <yakster> /<IP_ADDRESS>/GoFlex\ Home\ Public/ /media/GoFlex cifs username=matthew,password=4546413,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0
[23:48] <sixstringsg> ikonia, suggestions on what to clean?
[23:48] <ikonia> sixstringsg: depends on your machine and what you're not using
[23:48] <ikonia> sixstringsg: what other seperate mount points you have too
[23:49] <sixstringsg> All I have are / /home and swap.
[23:49] <ikonia> sixstringsg: ok, so look at creating new partitions for things like var, mount that on a new partition and reboot, same for /tmp
[23:50] <ikonia> sixstringsg: look at what you are using software wise, open the package manager and clear down things you don't need/want
[23:50] <ikonia> just apply a logical common sense approach
[23:50] <sixstringsg> Ok, thanks.
[23:51] <yakster> does anyone know why a bad line in stab will cause /home to not mount?
[23:52] <ikonia> yakster: if the lines are wrong, they can't be used
[23:53] <ikonia> it's that simple,


[00:01] <Jarli> how do I start the Xen client / administration?
[00:16] <Jarli> so quite...
[00:20] <glosoli> Jarli: maybe you use Quassel ? :D
[00:27] <glosoli> A stupid question, but maybe anyone knows how to add rooms to network in Quassel ?  hmwithout using Commands
[00:31] <Jarli> you click join
[00:31] <Jarli> then type the room name dont you
[00:31] <Jarli> but I need the idiots guide to setting up a Xen VM on my kubuntu box...
[00:50] <Jarli> Is there an idiots way to open a program in this OS?
[01:29] <Kalidarn> hmm
[01:29] <Kalidarn> why do i see
[01:29] <Kalidarn> +CLcfjnt #kubuntu-unregged 5:10
[01:36] <Sentynel> Kalidarn: it's the channel modes; see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[01:37] <Kalidarn> yeah but whats the unregged thing mean
[01:37] <Kalidarn> the channel isn't registered with freenode?
[01:37] <Kalidarn> why not it's an official ubuntu channel
[01:37] <Sentynel> no it's a redirect
[01:37] <Kalidarn> oh.
[01:37] <Kalidarn> for people not identified with nickserv?
[01:38] <Sentynel> in this case it's used by join throttle
[01:38] <Kalidarn> oh okay :P
[01:38] <Kalidarn> i never join/part XD
[01:38] <Sentynel> if too many unregistered users join too quickly they're diverted to that overflow channel
[01:42] <markit> I've just read about firefox-kde-support being dropped, how can set file associations in a global way for firefox? It tries to open .zip with unzip instead of ark, and had no idea about dolphin. I've a ltsp installatio and need to do at system level
[02:43] <OxDeadC0de> is there a command to show the past X ways another command was called? ex: history make -n20 (show the last 20 invocations of make)
[02:44] <OxDeadC0de> oh, heh.. history | grep make..
[02:46] <OxDeadC0de> and to limit | tail -n 20
[06:53] <tehchez> ok so I messed up my video settings, I went into the settings manager and there was a new option, which let me select opengl as the renderer. Where can i find that conf file?
[06:54] <tehchez> i need to change it back to its original setting, its all screwed up, about 50px by 100px in the lower left corner of the screen is where my desktop now resides :) not a pretty picture
[07:05] <tehchez> anyone aware of the new opengl (experimental) option for rendering the window?
[07:05] <tehchez> or windows
[07:08] <tehchez> ahh looks like its x11
[07:43] <tehchez> Found it! ~/.kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh change from opengl to native or raster :)
[08:58] <Mircadius> Hi all, I'm installing the latest Kubuntu to a dual boot environment. The grub entry for memtest is giving me a "error: too small lower memory" problem. Not sure where to ask for help. Any advice is appreciated.
[09:03] <jason200> hello, quick question where do i install plasma widgets?
[09:03] <jason200> never mind :)
[09:09] <Mircadius> Hi all, working on a Kubuntu install and the grub memtest is giving me a "error: too small lower memory"  problem. Any advice is appreciated.
[10:26] <noaXess> hey all
[10:26] <noaXess> i'm working on a init script.. how can i increase verbosity to debug it? to show why it won't work?
[10:26] <noaXess> why it failed?
[10:49] <makafui_> I'm having permission trouble
[10:55] <Peace-> !permission | makafui_
[10:56] <makafui_> ubottu: i'm trying to open a file in the konsole and it keeps on telling me permission denied
[10:56] <makafui_> ubottu: what's a bot?
[10:59] <AceKing> Does anyone know if Startech PCI soundcards are linux friendly? The built in sound on my MB stopped working and I want to get a cheap PCI card to replace it.
[13:03] <glosoli> Anyone using Cairo Dock with Kubuntu ?
[13:04] <Peace-> glosoli: you can install it
[13:04] <Peace-> there is no problem the annoyin stuff it's the configuration
[13:04] <glosoli> Peace-: I am just curious how good it works
[13:04] <Peace-> but..
[13:04] <glosoli> Peace-: what do you mean annoyin configuration  ?
[13:05] <glosoli> Peace-: Some deep configuration ? Or User Interface based ones ?
[13:05] <Peace-> glosoli: bad shortcuts
[13:05] <Peace-> glosoli: btw i use this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/149576-3.jpeg
[13:05] <glosoli> Peace-: which one is better to run No OPen GL or with Open GLX ?
[13:05] <glosoli> GL''
[13:06] <Peace-> i have no problem with no opengl
[13:06] <glosoli> Peace-: what pro and cons for opengl ?
[13:06] <Peace-> instead with opengl i got some problems
[13:06] <glosoli> opengl is faster ?
[13:06] <Peace-> i guess yes
[13:07] <glosoli> Peace-: a bit strange that applet tooltip said welcome to Cairo Dock 2 while being 3 (on Precise)
[13:08] <Peace-> dunno
[13:08] <Peace-> i don'0t use cairo anymore
[13:08] <glosoli> Peace-: aaa there is the Icon Task Managerin your scren ?
[13:09] <glosoli> screen''
[13:09] <Peace-> yep
[13:09] <Peace-> i have several layout
[13:10] <Peace-> glosoli: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/17/plasma-desktopJq4053.png
[13:11] <glosoli> that's a lot of
[13:11] <glosoli> ;D
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:12] <glosoli> Hello
[13:12] <glosoli> Peace-: nah deleting cairo, too much everything in it :D
[14:08] <glosoli> Anyone knows what's the name for that widget or addon which adds that kinda like "Locally Integrated Menus" into windows titles or smth like that ?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> glosoli,  "locally integrated menus" , please elaborate
[14:22] <glosoli> BluesKaj: Hmm that's firefox like menu button
[14:23] <glosoli> BluesKaj: you know that new way of Firefox showing menu ?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> nope
[14:23] <glosoli> Ah, gonna search in webupd8 maybe will find to show you :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> what menu exactly ..I'm confused
[14:24] <glosoli> BluesKaj: http://goo.gl/WRGLr aaa found it :)
[14:26] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!
[14:27] <BluesKaj> glosoli,  unfortunately I haven'r seen that option , i prefer the menubar
[14:27] <BluesKaj> hi DoctorPepper
[14:27] <glosoli> DoctorPepper: hey :)
[14:27] <glosoli> BluesKaj: dunno, i kinda liek it  ;D saving my space
[14:29] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help me please , i  am trying to get the ubuntu source package of  virtuoso to apply the fix for bug #858970
[14:29] <BluesKaj> glosoli,  well if you have it installed , then what's your issue?
[14:30] <glosoli> BluesKaj: I was searching for it a hour, now found it ;D
[14:30] <DoctorPepper> but i cant  find the source package
[14:35] <tsimpson> DoctorPepper: add the deb-src line to your sources and use "apt-get source <package name>" (no sudo) to download it
[14:35] <tsimpson> the deb-src line is the same as the normal deb http://.. line, but with "deb-src" instead of "deb"
[14:36] <DoctorPepper> i did it  but it could find the package
[14:37] <tsimpson> did you run "sudo apt-get update" after?
[14:51] <DoctorPepper> now its fine
[14:53] <rtdos> what's the difference between the locations /bin/zsh and /usr/bin/zsh ? which location should i select my shell from ?
[14:54] <DarthFrog> Why do you have both?
[14:55] <rtdos> idaknow. just do i guess. what's the difference between the 2 locations?
[14:55] <DarthFrog> The location doesn't really matter but not having two versions that might conflict might.
[14:59] <rtdos> they both appear to be the same version but isn't there a difference between /usr/bin and /bin locations?
[15:00] <DarthFrog> Only upon booting and in your path.
[15:00] <rtdos> one is just a mirror of the other?
[15:00] <DarthFrog> No.
[15:01] <rtdos> isn't one like used for system commands and the other for everything else?
[15:01] <rtdos> or something like that?
[15:01] <DarthFrog>  /bin contains system binaries.  /usr/bin contains user binaries.
[15:02] <rtdos> so i would want to use /usr/bin/zsh then ?
[15:02] <DarthFrog>  though "usr" isn't short for user.  It's said to be a TLA for "Unix System Resources". :-)
[15:02] <rtdos> yea. took me awhile to figure that out. ;-)
[15:02] <DarthFrog> Doesn't matter really.  Are the two files symlinked?
[15:02] <rtdos> yes.
[15:03] <DarthFrog> Oh, in that case, just ignore the whole shooting match.  There' s only one file on your system.
[15:06] <rtdos> oh ok.
[15:06] <rtdos> so which one should i select if they are not symlinked?
[15:06] <rtdos> *curious*
[15:06] <DarthFrog> A symlink has the second inode pointing back to the original inode.
[15:07] <DarthFrog> Whichever one has its path hard-coded into programs and scripts. :-)
[15:08] <Sentynel> shells are usually assumed to be in /bin
[15:15] <rtdos> hmmmm...ok. that makes sense. thanks. :)
[15:16] <rtdos> my other question: what's the significant difference between tcsh and csh ?
[15:16] <DarthFrog> Sentynel: Not necessarily.  And the shell is specified on the first line of an executable script.  And zsh is not a standard shell.
[15:21] <Sentynel> DarthFrog: a quick check of shell packages shows /bin for all the ones I looked at, and it's certainly the convention I'm used to
[15:23] <DarthFrog> Sentynel: Yes, I agree.  I have seen other shells in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin, though.
[15:24] <DarthFrog>  /bin is the logical location.
[15:25] <DarthFrog> rtdos:  /usr/local/bin are for binaries that you install outside the system's packaging system.  i.e. perhaps ones you compile yourself.
[15:25] <rtdos> ah now that makes complete total sense!
[15:32] <DarthFrog> Some distros use /opt instead of /usr/local.  If a system has both /opt and /usr/local file structures, it's a dog's breakfast. :-)
[15:37] <glosoli> what's the package for making GTK apps look native ?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> glosoli,  do you mean native to gtk or kde ?
[16:05] <toxi> hey, i'm currently on kubuntu 12.04 and telepathy didn't connect to icq network. anybody knows that problem?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> toxi,  ask in #ubuntu+1 , they also handle kubuntu 12.04 questions there'
[16:08] <toxi> BluesKaj: thank you, handling this.
[16:09] <glosoli> BluesKaj: to make them look native in KDE
[16:12] <BluesKaj> glosoli,  maybe this , http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=103741
[16:24] <dankeup> hello.... I have the problem with my Kubuntu 11.10 in Laptop Asus K53E Intgel Core i5 6GB RAM... when laptop lid is closed go to Sleep, but when I open never came back...
[16:24] <GirlyGirl> dankeup: press power after openning?
[16:27] <dankeup> GirlyGirl no is a option, I do that but don't come back, I do Ctrl+alt+f1 and is like freze
[16:28] <dankeup> Only I can turn off with the power button
[16:28] <GirlyGirl> dankeup: Is the hdd being used on wakeup?
[16:28] <dankeup> yes
[16:31] <dankeup> GirlyGirl I use kernel 3.0.0-16 that can be a problem with kubuntu and the driver of this lap?
[16:32] <GirlyGirl> dankeup: Try updating or testing the beta of 12.04
[16:32] <dankeup> GirlyGirl I need upgrade to 3.2?
[16:33] <GirlyGirl> dankeup: I really don't know I've had issues with hibernate before but never with sleep
[16:33] <almoxarife> I did not have issues with -16 kernel, -18 yes, but I don't believe it was related to kde
[16:33] <GirlyGirl> dankeup: Is this a random problem or does it always happen?
[16:33] <dankeup> all the time
[16:34] <dankeup> I test the Ubuntu 12.04 and was the same
[16:36] <GirlyGirl> dankeup: I think you should file a bug on that then
[16:37] <dankeup> GirlyGirl: I look and all i fine
[16:38] <dankeup> GirlyGirl: I have pm.suspend.log
[16:40] <glosoli> is there any way Google Chrome to look native with Kubuntu ? fonts and etc seems out of order
[16:41] <GirlyGirl> glosoli: There are some kde themes for it ... I think chrome doesn't look exacly native even in gnome
[16:41] <glosoli> GirlyGirl: it looked native enough for me in gnome hmm anyway, gonna search for these themes then, the main case are fonts looking bad
[16:42] <GirlyGirl> glosoli: Try the use kde fonts in gtk apps setting in system settings > Application Appearence > Fonts
[16:43] <glosoli> it seems like already set "USe my KDE fonts in GTK+ applications"
[16:44] <GirlyGirl> glosoli: Don't really know then. Must you really use chrome? try Opera and see if that works for you ... it uses qt or gtk depending on your de
[16:45] <glosoli> GirlyGirl: Thanks for suggestions, but I prefer only Chrome
[16:47] <GirlyGirl> glosoli: Did chrome just stop working ... and are fonts ok in other apps ... gtk ones I mean
[16:48] <glosoli> GirlyGirl: hmm, audacious looks ugly and works not properly tearing its' gui, probably it's time to go to ubuntu+1  to asks the people who use precise if its' precise problem
[16:49] <GirlyGirl> glosoli: In 12.04, gtk3 (gnome3) integration is present , in 11.10 only gtk 2 integrates with kde
[16:50] <glosoli> GirlyGirl: Audacious seems like GTK2 app, which doesn't seem to integrate properly
[16:50] <GirlyGirl> glosoli: I have precise, but I'm on Windows 8 right now so can't test ... besides I like to stay qt only
[16:50] <glosoli> GirlyGirl: no problem :)
[16:51] <Peace-> 12.04 => #ubuntu+1
[16:51] <glosoli> Peace-: asked there already, the main case was to make sure if things in 11.10 look good
[16:52] <GirlyGirl> Peace-:  Any #ubuntu+2 for 12.10 ? (just joking)
[16:52] <glosoli> :D
[17:31] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[17:31] <DoctorPepper> can  anyone please help me
[17:32] <bazhang> with?
[17:32] <DoctorPepper> i have a issue trying build virtuoso
[17:33] <DoctorPepper>  for dpkg  build package
[17:34] <tsimpson> DoctorPepper: did you install the build dependencies?
[17:34] <DoctorPepper> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:34] <DoctorPepper>   cli-common-dev: Depends: mono-devel (>= 2.10.1) but it is not going to be installed. or   strong-name-tool which is a virtual package.
[17:35] <tsimpson> sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[17:36] <DoctorPepper> tsimpson:  i get the message i just posted
[17:37] <tsimpson> try installing mono-devel manually first
[17:37] <tsimpson> you may get a better error message
[17:39] <Avihay> how do you ask apt-get for the source package?
[17:39] <tsimpson> Avihay: apt-get source <package>
[17:39] <tsimpson> (no sudo)
[17:40] <Avihay> thx
[17:40] <DoctorPepper> tsimpson:  thanks
[18:14] <_manash_> hello
[18:53] <ronnoc> Hi all. There used to be a plasmoid to toggle desktop effects on / off. Anyone know of it, or if it's still around?
[18:56] <georgelappies> hi all, in Libre office the tool tips (bubbles that appear when you hold your mouse over something for second or so) have a dark drey background and the text in the bubble is black. Is there some way to make the text white or the bubbles the same as the others in kde?
[18:56] <georgelappies> grey sorry not drey
[18:58] <tsimpson> ronnoc: not sure if there is a plasmoid, but Alt+Shift+F12 is the default shortcut
[19:00] <georgelappies> mmm tested it with gvim as well now, looks like it is all gtk apps?
[19:00] <ronnoc> tsimpson: thx. I do remember that. A long time ago (maybe 4.4 days?) there used to be a 'rocker-switch' type plasmoid. I'll keep looking.
[19:01] <tsimpson> georgelappies: from System Settings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance
[19:01] <tsimpson> ronnoc: maybe there's one on kde-apps.org
[19:02] <ronnoc> Yea I thought I looked there. No biggie, I just thought it was one of the few plasmoids worth installing. lol.
[19:02] <georgelappies> tsimpson: I can choose there between oxygen-gtk and raleigh as well as the font then. I dont see a place to customise oxygen-gtk there ?
[19:04] <tsimpson> oxygen-gtk uses the oxygen scheme, which you can change from the colours section
[19:43] <georgelappies> seems it is a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/820118
[19:43] <georgelappies> lol 3 seconds appart :)
[20:02] <DoctorPepper> is any of the kubuntu in here ?
[20:02] <DoctorPepper> is any of the kubuntu devs in here ?
[20:04] <liudas> DoctorPepper: try kubuntu-dev channel
[20:07] <liudas> DoctorPepper: #kubuntu-devel
[20:26] <witchyta> hi everybody
[20:29] <witchyta> i need help to update my system. i install from a live cd (kubuntu oneiric)
[20:37] <BluesKaj> !update | witchyta_
[20:37] <Mamarok> witchyta_: and?
[20:38] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: undating, not upgrading, he already has Oneiric apparently
[20:38] <Mamarok> witchyta_: you need to be more precise in your questions
[20:40] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, interesting to see what he really means
[20:40] <Mamarok> yep
[20:40] <Mamarok> swinc there is no upgrading from Oneiric as of now
[20:41] <Mamarok> since*
[20:41] <witchyta_> i just finish kubuntu installation but but synaptic is not install
[20:41] <witchyta_> today
[20:41] <Mamarok> well, synaptic is not a KDE application
[20:41] <BluesKaj> i meant update , the bot assumed I mean upgrade
[20:41] <Mamarok> there is muon
[20:42] <wifioregon> hi.  I had someone that had their video card go out, so they replaced the new video card..now when they load kubuntu, it goes into text mode and wont goto kde no matter what.  Is there a way to install the new video card without a reinstall? Do I need to boot to an ubuntu disc?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> the update factoid needs to be changed ,
[20:43] <Mamarok> true
[20:44] <BluesKaj> wifioregon,  is the new card the same make as the old one
[20:44] <Mamarok> witchyta_: did you find Muon? Else start the system settings, there you should see an option for updating packages
[20:44] <wifioregon> no its not
[20:44] <Mamarok> called "Software management"
[20:45] <wifioregon> BluesKaj:  Its not the same make. Do I need to do a reinstall?
[20:45] <georgelappies_> upgrading to libreoffice3.5 fixed the tooltip bug :)
[20:46] <BluesKaj> wifioregon,  you need a new driver for the new card
[20:46] <BluesKaj> new =different
[20:46] <wifioregon> BluesKaj: How do I do that?
[20:46] <wifioregon> I'm only able to access text mode
[20:47] <BluesKaj> wifioregon,  can you get to a tty prompt on said pc ?
[20:47] <witchyta_> ok
[20:47] <Mamarok> wifioregon: how about telling what card it is?
[20:47] <witchyta_> mamarok: ok
[20:47] <Mamarok> witchyta_: did you find it?
[20:47] <wifioregon> wifioregon:  Shoot. I'm trying to boot to an ubuntu disc right now. (I don't have kubuntu)
[20:47] <wifioregon> its taking FOREVER
[20:47] <witchyta_> no
[20:48] <Mamarok> witchyta_: in the menu you have an option called "System settings"
[20:48] <Mamarok> click there
[20:49] <witchyta_> i open it
[20:49] <Mamarok> witchyta_: there is an option called "Software management"
[20:49] <Guest14504> hola
[20:50] <Mamarok> Guest14504: English, please :)
[20:50] <witchyta_> mamarok :"Sofware management " not found in systeme settings
[20:50] <Mamarok> witchyta_: really? what Kubuntu version do you have?
[20:50] <Mamarok> it's written on the live CD
[20:51] <witchyta_> 11.10 oneiric
[20:51] <Mamarok> then you should definitely have that option in the system settings
[20:51] <witchyta_> it's live cd
[20:52] <Mamarok> )I know, but you said you installed it, no?
[20:52] <witchyta_> yes i install it from i live cd
[20:52] <Mamarok> or do you just run the live CD?
[20:53] <witchyta_> i run the live cd and after installed it
[20:53] <Mamarok> OK, so now you run Kubuntu 11.10, not from the live CD, then you should have that option in the System settings
[20:53] <Mamarok> maybe you need to scroll down
[20:54] <Mamarok> it is at the bottom in System Administration
[20:56] <wifioregon> okay so the new video card is Nvidia Corp NV6 VANTA/VANTA.. how do I install it? Also is that supported by linux?
[20:56] <witchyta_> Mamaro:i found muon in syteme but it not work , i have bug message
[20:57] <Mamarok> witchyta_: and what error message is that?
[20:58] <witchyta_> Muon Sofware center closed unexpectedly
[20:59] <Mamarok> oh, that shouldn't happen
[20:59] <Mamarok> try starting it again
[21:00] <witchyta_> it's still the same when i retry
[21:01] <Mamarok> witchyta_: then we will try from the konsole: type Alt+F2 and type: konsole
[21:01] <Mamarok> that should open the konsole
[21:01] <witchyta_> ok i do it
[21:02] <witchyta_> konsole is open
[21:02] <Mamarok> witchyta_: type: sudo apt-get update
[21:02] <Mamarok> that will do an update of your software sources
[21:02] <Mamarok> it will ask you your password
[21:03] <witchyta_> i do it
[21:03] <Mamarok> once that list is finished you type: sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:04] <Mamarok> that will suggest quite a few packages to install, just accept with y
[21:05] <witchyta_> ok now it work properly. i have to download  250 Mo updates files
[21:06] <Mamarok> well, yes, Oneiric came out 5 months ago, so there are quite some updates
[21:07] <Mamarok> witchyta_: muon is the package manager for Kubuntu, maybe it will also get fixed with these updates
[21:07] <witchyta_> Mamarok : thank you
[21:08] <Mamarok> witchyta_: you are welcome :)
[21:09] <witchyta_> can i use the same way to install softwares, i need vlc on my kubuntu
[21:09] <Mamarok> witchyta_: yes, of course
[21:09] <Mamarok> sudo apt-get install vlc
[21:09] <wifioregon> I thought its sudo apt-get install vlc-nox
[21:09] <Mamarok> wifioregon: why?
[21:10] <Mamarok> why would he install that without X support?
[21:10] <wifioregon> just thought it was
[21:10] <wifioregon> oh vlc-nox doesn't have windows X support
[21:10] <Mamarok> well, no
[21:28] <jr> hello
[21:29] <jr> anybody have any problems staying connected to a wireless router
[21:29] <Deckard_25> I heard the bad news about firefox KDE integration, does it mean it will look like win95 app?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> wifioregon, if you can get to a tty prompt in the pc with the new graphics card , sudo apt get install nvidia-173 , then sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[21:45] <BluesKaj> err sudi apt-get
[21:45] <phoenix_firebrd> sudi?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> oops again , sudo
[21:46] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd,  yeah sudi for sudi arabia :)_
[21:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:  ha ha ha
[22:50] <osaka_bondage> hi
[23:10] <drtwox> Hi all. Where is the correct place to report a major bug in the Precise Beta? Can I seek help here?
[23:16] <asfyxia> drtwox: you can discuss them on the #ubuntu+1 channel. For bugs you can report them on Launchpad.
[23:16] <drtwox> Thanks asfyxia. That applies to Kubuntu too?
[23:17] <asfyxia> I guess so ;-)
[23:20] <asfyxia> drtwox: I had to scroll back a lot, but you can also start a discussion at #kubuntu-devel, there the devs are present. Unless they are enjoying a nice movie, but that's only human, I guess ;-)
[23:35] <drtwox> Thanks again asfyxia. I'll try those.


[06:33] <mgedmin> ah the pain that is a kernel update when your / has insufficient free space
[07:44] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Is there anything i can do to speed up the gtk3 transition?
[07:45] <Noskcaj> and is it the only thing we're waiting for to and upower?
[07:45] <darkxst> they are the two most important
[07:45] <Noskcaj> *to land
[07:46] <darkxst> for gtk3 it will be a lot of patching Ubuntu themes etc, code fixes
[07:47] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:47] <darkxst> it would be good to start a thread on -desktop list about it, we are often left out of the loop when it comes to GTK transition.
[07:48] <darkxst> Otherwise pushing through the upower transition as soon as possible would be most useful
[07:48] <Noskcaj> Actually, do we need gtk3 first for upower?
[07:48] <darkxst> no
[07:48] <darkxst> upower was 3.12 stuff
[07:49] <Noskcaj> I'll prep my PPA so it can be copied straight to ubuntu
[07:49] <darkxst> so is BlueZ5
[07:49] <Noskcaj> bluez looks like more of a mess to actually package though
[07:49] <darkxst> (I would actually be curious to hear what debian did about that transition)
[07:50] <darkxst> if they removed old packages for it, we can probably do the same in vivid, but not sure if it happens via auto-sync
[07:50] <darkxst> there is so much stale cruft in the archives, that holds up these already painful transitions
[07:54] <darkxst> Noskcaj, It would also be good to fill out the packaging blueprint with more details about what is blocking what etc, I've been meaning to but havent yet
[07:57] <berglh> darkxst: I've been going through some tough life stuff at the moment, kind of in the middle of packing my lfe up and moving back to Brisbane, when I have landed and setteled I should have some more time!
[07:59] <darkxst> berglh, no problem, whenever you are ready! and all the best with the move back
[08:00] <darkxst> things will be pretty quite until gtk+ 3.14 lands anyway
[08:01] <darkxst> hopefully that will be in 3-4weeks, but that is complete guess
[08:07] <darkxst> Noskcaj, also maybe you can email -devel list and find out what/if any plans there are for ubuntu to implement DEP-11 (for gnome-software)
[08:08] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:08] <Noskcaj> I'll just ask in irc first in case someone there knows
[08:09] <darkxst> sure
[08:27] <filipposironi> hey everyone, sorry to bother but I just finished configuring a new Ubuntu GNOME installation with encrypted LVM and I found out a few issues. Basically, the system doesn
[08:29] <filipposironi> basically, the system doesn't reliably boot, the first time I switch the power on grub doesn't show any choice and the boot doesn't proceed, after a power cycle grub shows up and I'm asked for my passphrase
[08:29] <filipposironi> I also have an issue with the shutdown, which may not end at all requiring me to power off my system the hard way
[08:29] <filipposironi> have anyone encountered these issues before?
[08:36] <mgedmin> I only tested encrypted LVM once in KVM
[08:37] <darkxst> there were some possible issues with LVM in VM's but havent heard of much on real hardware
[08:37] <mgedmin> the grub boot menu shows up when the system failed to boot successfully the last time
[08:37] <mgedmin> normally it's hidden, unless you press the right key at the right time in the boot process
[08:41] <mgedmin> as for failures to shut down
[08:42] <mgedmin> I'm experiencing some due to virtualbox
[08:42] <mgedmin> http://pad.lv/1373860
[08:43] <mgedmin> filipposironi, if a system fails to shut down cleanly, I suggest you use the "magic sysrq" to shut it down semi-cleanly
[08:44] <mgedmin> press alt-sysrq (same key as printscreen, usually), then while holding those two keys down press S, wait a second or two until your hard disk LED goes off, then U, then B (to reboot) or O (to poweroff)
[08:44] <mgedmin> this will prevent potential disk corruption due to unwritten data in the OS disk cache
[08:45] <mgedmin> back to encrypted boot issues: you may want to browse https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth
[08:45] <mgedmin> those two components are responsible for presenting a password prompt during boot
[08:45] <mgedmin> (they're supposed to collaborate)
[08:46] <filipposironi> mgedmin, thanks for the suggestion, I'll try at the next reboot . On the grub side, if at the second boot (reboot) grub shows up it means during the first it doesn't ask for my passphrase :S I don't know if the issue is within grub or the system itself then
[08:47] <mgedmin> what happens?
[08:47] <mgedmin> does it show any text on the screen?
[08:47] <mgedmin> does it hang on boot and you hit ctrl-alt-del?
[08:47] <mgedmin> does it fail then restart by itself?
[08:47] <mgedmin> do any keys work?
[08:47] <filipposironi> nope, it just shows a gray-ish screen
[08:48] <filipposironi> no logos or whatsoever
[08:50] <filipposironi> ctrl-alt-del works
[08:50] <filipposironi> other keys don't
[08:50] <mgedmin> what have you tried?
[08:50] <mgedmin> useful keys to try: esc, alt-left (repeatedly)
[08:52] <filipposironi> a maybe useful note, the boot issue is consistent while the shutdown issue sadly is not, which makes it even more complex to analyze
[08:53] <filipposironi> apparently, both esc and lalt do nothing interesting
[09:02] <mgedmin> a picture of the gray-ish screen might be useful (or not)
[09:02] <mgedmin> the background used for the splash screen in ubuntu-gnome is sort of gray-oish
[09:02] <mgedmin> but it has a noticeable texture
[09:02] <filipposironi> it's the very same gray
[09:03] <filipposironi> anyway, I disabled all the graphical things both in the system boot and in grub and the boot became reliable
[09:03] <filipposironi> :S
[09:06] <mgedmin> what's your graphics hardware?
[09:20] <filipposironi> it's an aspeed gpu
[09:21] <filipposironi> Aspeed AST2300 to be precise
[09:22] <mgedmin> whoa, never heard of those before
[09:25] <filipposironi> it's integrated into a server motherboard
[09:25] <filipposironi> http://www.asus.com/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/P9DC4L/specifications/
[09:33] <darkxst> filipposironi, not heard of those either, but if the drivers aren't great you will have problems
[09:33] <darkxst> thats the main thing keeping linux DE's off Arm hardware as well
[09:35] <mgedmin> afaiu this thing has no 3d acceleration and uses xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
[09:36] <darkxst> that will be horrid, it should fall back to software rendering, but that is far from ideal
[09:39] <filipposironi> I know, this was an headless machine once but it know became my workstation, I'm still waiting for my new GPU to get shipped
[09:40] <filipposironi> I hope everything will start working better with my NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti
[09:40] <mgedmin> maybe
[09:40] <mgedmin> nvidia is not known for linux-friendliness
[09:41] <darkxst> mgedmin, nvidia is not know for open-source friendly
[09:41] <mgedmin> for gaming nvidia closed-source drivers probably provide best performance and feature support
[09:41] <mgedmin> for a regular desktop I'd be happiest with intel graphics
[09:41] <darkxst> their linux drivers are first-class and 750Ti runs rock solid here
[09:45] <filipposironi> Intel doesn't build PCI/PCIe graphics card as far as I know and my CPU doesn't come with an integrated GPU
[09:46] <filipposironi> I was going for NVIDIA since I'll have a multidisplay setup and I found out that NVIDIA works better in this setting than AMD (which may be a little friendlier with respect to FOSS)
[09:49] <mgedmin> so does it boot into gnome successfully now?
[09:49] <mgedmin> how fast or slow does the desktop feel?
[09:50] <filipposironi> anyway, thanks everyone for the kindness
[09:51] <filipposironi> yeah, it boots without issues and I couldn't see the shutdown issue anymore
[09:51] <darkxst> filipposironi, 750Ti with NVIDIA propriety drivers works great with my 3 monitors here
[09:51] <filipposironi> the desktop is really bad since the GPU doesn't go beyond 1024x768 and I've a 1280x1024 LCD attached
[09:52] <mgedmin> ouch ouch ouch
[09:52] <filipposironi> but as of now, I'm using my laptop to access the machine via SSH while I'm waiting for the new graphic card and the multidisplay setup to be completed
[09:53] <darkxst> filipposironi, I run 2x1280x1024 and a full HD TV panel on 750
[09:54] <darkxst> the only thing that won't work is plymouth graphical boot screen, so you don't get the nice GNOME logo at boot
[09:54] <filipposironi> I bought two 24" 1920x1080 displays, which I plan on connecting via DVI
[09:55] <darkxst> that will work as well
[09:55] <filipposironi> so, if the graphical boot doesn't work for you it means I'll have to disabled it too, and type the passphrase as I'm doing now
[09:56] <filipposironi> without any fancy graphic
[09:56] <darkxst> it uses text mode automatically
[09:56] <darkxst> once NVIDIA release their wayland drivers, graphical plymouth should work fine
[09:57] <DASPRiD> darkxst, oh, gnome shell finally supports more than 2 monitors?
[09:57] <darkxst> DASPRiD, it always has!
[09:57] <DASPRiD> i remember in being quite brken some versions ago
[09:57] <darkxst> some drivers have issues with it though
[09:57] <darkxst> I've been running 3 since about 3.4
[10:00] <filipposironi> darkxst, so I can uncomment the quite splash option in my /etc/default/grub and grub/kernel should be able to figure out everything
[10:01] <DASPRiD> darkxst, that is, on a single-head card, right?
[10:02] <darkxst> filipposironi, yes,
[10:03] <darkxst> DASPRiD, maybe not all the way back then, but for the most part yes
[11:12] <LinDol> hi all
[14:34] <mgedmin> there's a memory leak in 14.10 + staging ppa
[14:35] <mgedmin> this was the 3rd time my laptop died a swappy death
[17:42] <octoquad> darkxst, yes both flgrx and flgrx-updates are 2:14.201-0ubuntu2. Just updated from flgrx to fglrx-updates to see if anything would change but it still wants to remove all fglrx packages :(
[18:58] <celeRon_> greetings
[19:01] <celeRon_> Looking to replace windows 8 with Ubuntu Gnome, however, I'm a little puzzled because the UEFI thing isn't allowing me to install
[19:02] <celeRon_> the only work around it is to disable secure boot, which isn't all that great because I use it to protect my system in general, when leaving it unattended.
[21:14] <darkxst> octoquad, can you try boot a live CD and try there, just to rule out any local issues on your system
[21:14] <darkxst> if it was really that broken I would expect to have seen dozens of reports by now
[21:58] <octoquad> sure