[08:49] <andru183> sorry guys, what was the site where you registered events for Ubuntu loco's? Can't think of it
[08:54] <czajkowski> loco.ubuntu.com
[09:06] <andru183> that's the one!! I nearly had it too :p
[09:14] <andru183> same event, just on loco.ubuntu.com http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/2608-ubuntu-release-party-hosted-by-ul-comp-soc/
[09:14] <andru183> Also I have to say that it's hosted by comp soc because of weird clubs and soc's rules
[09:15] <czajkowski> np
[09:44] <tdr112> sounds great


[20:22] <dust> is 17.10 going to use lxqt or still stay at lxde?
[20:28] <lynorian> dust there is an lxqt 17.10 lubuntu next iso
[20:28] <lynorian> I am not aware of a final decision
[20:29] <dust> ah k thx for info lynorian
[23:32] <by_tor> hello
[23:52] <drab> hi, what does decide which profile for lxsession is used upon login?
[23:53] <drab> I've switched my automated installations from using the lubuntu image to using the mini image and then installing lubuntu-desktop
[23:53] <drab> and the results are different
[23:54] <drab> one of them being that lxsession is started as "/usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE -e LXDE"
[23:54] <drab> while on my desktop, which was installed starting from the iso, lxsession is started as "/usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE"
[23:54] <drab> so from the iso it picks the Lubuntu profile, but from lubuntu-desktop it uses the LXDE onre
[23:55] <drab> where can I change that?


[02:15] <valorie> I don't see my mail -- who was the sender?
[02:15]  * valorie is back from the cabin exhausted but now at least clean and fed!
 @IrcsomeBot, :D
 @valorie, Clivey
[02:16] <valorie> o/
[02:17] <ahoneybun> I got the email
[02:28] <valorie> I might have too; I just want to know the sender so I can search for it
[02:44] <valorie> or the subject line
[02:44] <valorie> just checked spam -- not there
 Forwarded it to you valorie
[02:54] <valorie> thank you, ahoneybun!
[02:57] <valorie> found mine, thanks!
 Np
[02:58] <valorie> and voted
 https://blogs.kde.org/2017/09/05/konversation-2x-2018-new-user-interface-matrix-support-mobile-version
 They've done A LOT of research on that
[11:34] <clivejo> looks a lot like Google's UI design
 Irma looks nasty!
 @ahoneybun You are in the path of that?
 Yep I am
 @acheronuk
 @ahoneybun, Stay safe
 As much as we can anyway
[20:31] <valorie> damn, Irma picked up steam during the night? boo
[20:31] <valorie> do you have all the supplies you need, ahoneybun?
 Probably
[20:33] <valorie> I love a good windstorm, but a hurricane - NO
[20:34] <valorie> I would love a version of konvi I could use on my phone
 Mm mobile will not work good with IRC
[20:35] <valorie> so happy about the discussion about the future of KDE communication
 Matrix sure
 Ah no work Thurs and Fri
[20:35] <valorie> but that's the point -- being able to switch without pain
 @valorie, What's the discussion about?
[20:39] <valorie> Riddell wrote to the community list saying let's ditch IRC and all move to RocketChat
 That was a CRAZY list
[20:39] <valorie> since then, much discussion about a better way forward
[20:39] <valorie> very productive
[20:39] <valorie> he was just trying to wake everyone up
[20:40] <valorie> not crazy
 The scale of the thread
 Not the topic
[20:41] <valorie> I slept 'till 11, and feel almost caught up
[20:41] <valorie> well, KDE people are crazy
[20:41] <valorie> good crazy usually
[20:41] <valorie> although of course not always
[20:41] <valorie> lol
[20:41]  * valorie is included in that
 KDE folks are crazy
 I might be moving to GNOME
 that HDMI audio issue was just soooo bad
[20:48] <valorie> what?
[20:49] <valorie> to be fair, all FOSS folks are crazy
[20:49] <valorie> if you did move to the GNOME community you would find the same
[20:49] <valorie> face it: people are crazy
 I could not find the audio for my hdmi
[20:49] <valorie> oh
 I'm talking about the software
[21:56] <valorie> interesting, the last few things I said here never got here, I guess
[21:56] <valorie> or at least were not replayed when I "got back" from having to reset my flipping cable modem
[21:57] <tsimonq2> valorie: see convo in #k-d?
[21:57] <clivejo> valorie: do you know davmor2 ?
[22:00] <valorie> tsimonq2: which conversation?
[22:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: he's go 4 emails on LP
[22:00] <acheronuk> *got
[22:00] <valorie> I followed the channel before getting disconnected
[22:00] <tsimonq2> valorie: dropping kdesudo
[22:00] <valorie> what's his realname?
[22:00] <valorie> oh, not read that yet
[22:00] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/~davmor2
[22:00] <acheronuk> presumably
[22:01] <clivejo> yeah, found that and tried his gmail account
[22:01] <valorie> Dave Morley
[22:01] <valorie> sounds familiar but I'm not sure
[22:01] <clivejo> he's got Canonical email listed
[22:01] <valorie> yup
[22:02] <acheronuk> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dave-morley-33573ab
[22:02] <valorie> if he works on snaps then Riddell and Sitter probably know him
[22:03] <clivejo> his website is very informative http://davmor2.co.uk/
[22:05] <acheronuk> more so that mine
[22:05] <acheronuk> *than
[22:06]  * clivejo looks at rikmills.com
[22:06] <clivejo> bit blank looking to be honest
[22:06] <acheronuk> short and to the point :P
[22:07] <clivejo> 15/41 voted so far
[22:07] <acheronuk> how many did last year?
[22:07] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Can I buy it and fill it with pics of Red Bull? :P
[22:07] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Am I winning? :P
[22:07] <acheronuk> ahoneybun?
[22:07] <clivejo> of course Simon
[22:08] <clivejo> free stickers are vote winners
[22:08] <tsimonq2> LOL
[22:09] <clivejo> I don't know who is winning, doesn't say until I End the poll
[22:09]  * acheronuk suggests clive does a plot of votes/day
[22:09] <clivejo> so you are all winners until the 11th
[22:09] <clivejo> acheronuk: you plot it
[22:10] <clivejo> was 11 last night, and is 15 tonight
[22:10] <acheronuk> clive: going to send reminders towards the end?
[22:10] <clivejo> dunno if I can
[22:10] <clivejo> don't want to spam people
[22:10] <acheronuk> true
[22:10] <clivejo> if they don't want to vote I can't make them!
[22:11] <clivejo> I should have turned on detailed tracking
[22:11] <clivejo> name and shame the non-voters
[22:12] <acheronuk> in the end, the people who care are those who will vote, which seems fine to me
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Pressure Riddell and Haruld :P
[22:13] <clivejo> they might have voted already
[22:13] <valorie> it will be fine
[22:14] <valorie> those who care will vote, and that's who we want to vote
[22:14] <acheronuk> echo...
[22:14] <clivejo> well 15 votes in 24hours is pretty good going
[22:14]  * tsimonq2 was joking, I know Haruld wants some free stickers :P
[22:15] <clivejo> really?
[22:15] <acheronuk> probably wants his name spelt correctly as well
[22:15] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: salty :P
[22:15] <clivejo> thought Haruld was more free alcohol kinda guy
[22:16] <valorie> nope, I offered him free drinks and he was suspicious
[22:16]  * tsimonq2 goes on a tangent, wondering if it would be worth it to apply for KD
[22:16] <tsimonq2> valorie: lol
[22:16] <valorie> "What will you ask of me if I accept?"
[22:16] <valorie> KD?
[22:16] <tsimonq2> valorie: devel
[22:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: (Kubuntu Developer)
[22:17] <clivejo> are you collecting LP badges or something?
[22:17] <tsimonq2> clivejo: no :P
[22:18] <clivejo> you have MOTU, why you want KD?
[22:18] <valorie> tsimonq2: Peruse?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Because there's Kubuntu packages in Main I want upload access to
[22:18] <clivejo> such as?
[22:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo: A week ago I could tell you that... I don't remember now :P
[22:19] <clivejo> I don't think we have much in main, do we?
[22:19] <tsimonq2> We have a couple of things in there
[22:19] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Plus most of Qt that's in main
[22:19] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:20]  * clivejo raises eyebrow
[22:20] <clivejo> that's the real reason
[22:20] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: is there any team you don't want to be on?
[22:21] <acheronuk> oh. clive already mentioned badges
[22:21] <acheronuk> same Q
[22:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: My interest in team membership only lies within the teams I can actively contribute to
[22:22] <clivejo> do keep up Rik!
[22:22] <tsimonq2> i.e. you won't see me around Xubuntu
[22:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: For example I'm in the Ubuntu MATE Developers team because I've gotten $large_sum_of_money from flexiondotorg to do $a_couple_of_tasks (that will be public info soon)
[22:23] <tsimonq2> etc. etc. etc.
[22:23] <tsimonq2> But notice that I'm only in the teams I contribute to
[22:23] <tsimonq2> But I do contribute to a lot of things
[22:25] <clivejo> with Unity gone, won't Qt be demoted to universe?
[22:25] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Besides my LoCo (I remain in there because I want to be a member of the team but I don't have the time to organize things in person), I don't see anything on this list that I'm directly a member of that I haven't contributed to in the past month: https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+participation
[22:26] <tsimonq2> clivejo: That's yet to be decided :P
[22:26] <tsimonq2> If you can name one team that I'm a member of that I haven't recently contributed to, let me know so I can leave it :P
[22:27] <tsimonq2> valorie: ack on Peruse fwiw, if you give me an ack with your Kubuntu Release Manager hat on that it's OK to upload, I'll happily do it
[22:27] <clivejo> Ubuntu Cyclists
[22:28] <clivejo> Harald Sitter's Groupies
[22:28] <clivejo> Daniel Holbach Huggers
[22:28] <tsimonq2> clivejo: That's one of those teams like "Daniel Holbach Huggers" that I'm in for symbolic reasons :P
[22:28] <tsimonq2> <3 dholbach
[22:28] <tsimonq2> <3 Haruld
[22:28] <clivejo> badge collecter more like!
[22:28] <tsimonq2> And I do <3 my bike
[22:29] <ahoneybun> Harald
[22:29] <tsimonq2> Haruld
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Whenever I say Haruld or Timmus, imagine me saying it with an Irish accent :P
[22:30] <ahoneybun> Harald and Timmis
[22:30] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: And you think I correct people a lot! :P
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Haruld
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Timmus
[22:30] <tsimonq2> Aarun
[22:31] <ahoneybun> but your doing it on purpose
[22:31] <tsimonq2> *you're
[22:31] <ahoneybun> I just spell somethings wrong
[22:31] <clivejo> tsimonq2: stop making fun of my accent!
[22:31] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I'm not making fun of it, I'm embracing my Irish roots :P
[22:32] <clivejo> what roots?
[22:32] <tsimonq2> I have ancestors that lived in Ireland
[22:32] <clivejo> where when?
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Like 5 generations ago
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Somewhere in Ireland
[22:33] <clivejo> LOL
[22:35] <clivejo> tsimonq2: would you take on preparing and uploading other KDE tools like the sddm-kcm package?
[22:36] <valorie> tsimonq2: if clivejo and acheronuk say that Peruse is in good shape, then please upload
[22:36] <valorie> I've not been able to test it for various reasons
[22:37] <tsimonq2> valorie: I can get it in good shape myself, copyright is just b0rked
[22:37]  * clivejo doesn't think its in good shape
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Me neither
[22:37] <tsimonq2> I have to fix it :P
[22:38] <clivejo> don't like the idea of patching a copyright statement
[22:38] <acheronuk> released one is still kirigami v1
[22:38] <acheronuk> and kirigami2 one is recent WIP
[22:38] <clivejo> if 5.37 goes in, then a git snapshot might be possible?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk: When you need things uploaded could you please dput it somewhere and just email me the link or Telegram it to me?
[22:39] <acheronuk> 5.37?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ...you mean 5.38? 5.37 has been in the archive for a while
[22:40] <clivejo> sorry 5.38
[22:40] <valorie> hmmm, Eike's recent blogpost about Konvi sort of referred to peruse as ready-to-use software
[22:40] <valorie> I didn't know about issues
[22:40] <valorie> :(
[22:40] <clivejo> there are conflicting copyright statements
[22:40] <acheronuk> https://cgit.kde.org/peruse.git/log/
[22:40] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Let me ping slangasek and ask him about patching copyrights
[22:41] <clivejo> leinir made the changes to fix it in git, but won't release a fixed tarball
[22:41] <acheronuk> doesn't seem very ready to go, unless he meant the 8 month old 1.2 kirigami1 based release
[22:41] <tsimonq2> Oh, well then I can do a Git snapshot
[22:41] <tsimonq2> np
[22:41] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: What's he waiting on?
[22:42] <clivejo> tsimonq2: the latest git requires a fix to frameworks
[22:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: What fix?
[22:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Because if it's bugfix, I can upload the patch from upstream then fix up peruse and upload
[22:43] <tsimonq2> Otherwise it can go in the Frameworks SRU
[22:43] <tsimonq2> s/SRU/FFE bug report/
[22:43] <clivejo> https://cgit.kde.org/peruse.git/commit/?id=aed2256a1e5c8a46122f9ec5a10c770239d02ec5
[22:43] <valorie> or you could ask leinir directly, as the maintainer
[22:44] <valorie> fixing the copyrights upstream would be best, yes?
[22:44] <acheronuk> clivejo: we already have 5.37 in the archive
[22:44] <clivejo> he bumped the required KF5Kirigami2 to 5.37.0
[22:44] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kirigami2/5.37.0-0ubuntu1
[22:44] <tsimonq2> valorie: That's already done, it's in upstream git master
[22:45] <valorie> cool
[22:45] <valorie> ok, gotta deal with the next round of laundry
[22:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: We're going to get Peruse in for you :P
[22:45] <valorie> no rest for the wicked
[22:45] <valorie> \o/
[22:45] <valorie> I can finally read my doctor who comics!
[22:45] <tsimonq2> S L E E P  I S  F O R  T H E  W E A K - REDBULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[22:45] <tsimonq2> valorie: :D
[22:46] <clivejo> grrrr
[22:46] <valorie> rest is a unix command, silly!
[22:46] <clivejo> I can't keep up
[22:46] <valorie> as is sleep
[22:46] <valorie> sheesh
[22:46] <tsimonq2> valorie: I don't know enough about Doctor Who to be excited with you, but you should be able to do that under Kubuntu :P
[22:48] <clivejo> then what about a git snapshot of peruse?
[22:48] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I plan on that ;)
[22:48] <clivejo> just tried it, and it;s working fine
[22:49] <clivejo> loads the comic porn great
[22:49] <ahoneybun> valorie: I have a tablet for that
[22:49] <clivejo> oooo Get hot new books
[22:50] <ahoneybun> clivejo: reading hentai?
[22:50] <clivejo> dunno what it is
[22:50] <clivejo> I downloaded a test comic and was shocked!
[22:50] <clivejo> eakkk
[22:50] <clivejo> spoke too soon
[22:51] <clivejo> clicking on "Get new books" seems to have crashed it
[22:54] <clivejo> "/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings/peruse.knsrc"  doesn't contain a KNewStuff3 section.
[22:54] <clivejo> file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/kirigami.2/private/ActionButton.qml:350: TypeError: Cannot read property 'level' of null
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Once we get a working Peruse, I'll be happy to look at it more.
[23:00] <acheronuk> someone teach pino to wrap-and-sort!
[23:06] <clivejo> that is so annoying
[23:07] <tsimonq2> Is that in Debian git?
[23:07] <clivejo> yup
[23:08] <clivejo> he never seems to wrap-and-sort his work
[23:09] <tsimonq2> What package?
[23:13] <clivejo> I assume https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ktorrent.git/
[23:13]  * clivejo shivers
[23:13] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ktorrent.git/tree/debian/control
[23:15] <tsimonq2> Fixed.
[23:16] <valorie> tsimonq2: yes, I read the first few with ocular
[23:17] <tsimonq2> valorie: hm?
[23:17] <valorie> but I wanted peruse, as that was made for it!
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Oh
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Yah
[23:17] <tsimonq2> *Yeah
[23:18] <valorie> I bought a bundle of the comics on that site that pays the authors for their work
[23:18] <valorie> can't recall the name
[23:18] <valorie> they usually do games, but occasionally other stuff
[23:18] <ahoneybun> humble bundle?
[23:18] <valorie> yes
[23:18] <ahoneybun> I know they did a doctor who one
[23:18] <valorie> a few of them, actually
[23:19] <valorie> whatever they could license, I imagine
[23:25] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I have https https://ahoneybun.net/
[23:26] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: BC?
[23:26] <clivejo> you have mixed content too :P
[23:27] <ahoneybun> ahh tsimonq2
[23:27] <ahoneybun> mixed content?
[23:27] <clivejo> insecure content on the page
[23:27] <ahoneybun> where?
[23:27] <clivejo> makes the browser demote the page
[23:27] <clivejo> https://blog.ahoneybun.net/
[23:27] <ahoneybun> that's a different server if I remember right
[23:28] <clivejo> well its trying to access it over https
[23:29] <ahoneybun> nah it's on the same server
[23:29] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:31] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: any help on getting it more mobile friendly
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Is it in Git somewhere or is it just WP or something?
[23:32] <ahoneybun> it's just html and css on the server right now
[23:32] <ahoneybun> the blog is WP
[23:32] <ahoneybun> ahoneybun.net is just html and css
[23:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: My mobile-friendly stuff is all CSS3: https://gitlab.com/tsimonq2/tsimonq2.gitlab.io
[23:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:38] <valorie> oh damn, our cabin is under much more threat than I thought
[23:38] <tsimonq2> valorie: O_O ?
[23:38] <valorie> forest fire up there
[23:38] <tsimonq2> Eek!
[23:38] <ahoneybun> I'm looking up funny domains
[23:38] <valorie> there is ash falling out of the air here
[23:38] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: rikmills.com :P
[23:38] <valorie> and we live 45 mins away
[23:39] <tsimonq2> Oh no!
[23:40] <valorie> we just finished the new deck yesterday
[23:40] <valorie> and sawed up the old one and stacked it in the woodshed for the winter
[23:40] <valorie> crossing my fingers for luck
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Not good :(
[23:41] <valorie> https://www.facebook.com/CrystalMountainWashington/photos/a.432458485232.199824.100997105232/10154843344565233/?type=3&theater&ifg=1
[23:41] <valorie> that's the ski area about a half-hour drive up the hill
[23:42] <valorie> yesterday
 yikes!
[23:43] <clivejo> tsimonq2: regarding Qt why don't you apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-packages-uploaders ?
[23:43] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Good point :P
[23:44] <tsimonq2> Or I could just aim for Core Developer...
[23:44] <clivejo> indeed
[23:44] <clivejo> MOTW
[23:45] <tsimonq2> No, I'd be a Master of the Universe and the Core
[23:45] <tsimonq2> XD
[23:45] <clivejo> what are we gonna do tonight Brain?
[23:45] <tsimonq2> (MOTU is a subset of Core Developer)
[23:45] <acheronuk> narf
[23:45] <tsimonq2> clivejo: put Max in a sheep costume and have him jump over your bed
[23:47] <valorie> that first part seems easier to say than to do
[23:59] <ahoneybun> oh boy interview for system76 tomorrow


 So that they can assist further when triaging, yes?
[01:50] <greg-g> blueyed: no, that is the old way.  Now you just subscribe
[01:51] <greg-g> Assignment is for the person fixing the bug (ie: person writing a patch)
[01:51] <greg-g> it changed, and there is confusion, but this is the new work flow
[01:51] <blueyed> ok. fine. but you should at least subscribe..
[01:51] <blueyed> s/at least//
[01:51] <greg-g> correct
[01:51] <greg-g> wait, are you saying I should subscribe to a bug that I am not?
[01:52] <greg-g> did I miss one that I commented on?
[01:52] <blueyed> no.. "you" for "general", not you specifically.
[01:52] <greg-g> ok, yeah :)
[01:52] <blueyed> I'm looking at bugs triaged by "mcas", but there's no contact information..
[03:06] <greg-g> there, back up to 35 bugs for the week
[03:27] <greg-g> in response to the shell history meme on planet.ubuntu, add-5-a-day is my highest with 87! ;)
[03:27] <greg-g> (second highest is "screen" at 54)
[06:43] <Arby> anybody got time to look at bug 193574?
[06:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193574 in update-manager "Feisty to Gutsy some sort of network problem occured during the update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193574
[06:43] <Arby> it looks like a simple network failure at first
[06:44] <Arby> but reporter says it has persisted for several weeks
[06:44] <Arby> some of the repositories are official ubuntu ones
[06:44] <Arby> are there any known problems?
[06:47] <secretlondon> there is a problem i've come across with gutsy having entries in sources.list commented out
[06:51] <Arby> hmm, I'm not really sure what to suggest on this one
[06:51] <Arby> I suppose we could start with removing the unofficial repos
[06:55] <secretlondon> tbh with hardy coming out in 2 weeks I doubt anyone really wants to work on gutsy bugs
[06:55] <secretlondon> only 2 of those are official repos anyway
[06:56] <secretlondon> the two that are failing with the bzip error
[06:57] <Arby> probably true
[06:57] <Arby> I just hate leaving a bug half triaged once I've started
[06:57] <secretlondon> the first certainly isn't, and medibuntu isn't official either
[06:57] <secretlondon> we can't be responsible for other people's servers
[06:58] <Arby> I meant working in gutsy bugs :)
[06:58] <secretlondon> there is a workround for bzip errors which involves trying to reload the info again, apt-get update, and if that doesn't work commenting out the failing repo, running apt-get update, and then adding it back and running apt-get update
[06:59] <Arby> otoh, for people who still run feisty they'll have to go via gutsy to get hardy
[06:59] <Arby> is that documented anywhere?
[06:59] <secretlondon> don't know
[06:59] <secretlondon> I had it a lot in dapper
[07:01] <Arby> got to go now, will look back later
[08:08] <lankke> hello everyone... I was running a dual boot win xp/ubuntu 7.10 system up until about 2 weeks ago when I removed my linux drive in order to perform data recovery on a friend's win hard drive. Ever since I put the linux drive back in, ubuntu freezes right after the grub boot loader screen. I have looked for a fix now for 2 weeks without success, can anyone help me out?
[08:09] <lankke> I get an error message like ata.01: Emask ...
[08:09] <secretlondon> lankke support is better on #ubuntu
[08:09] <lankke> I tried over there... no one replied
[08:10] <lankke> there were a few people arguing over something stupid
[08:10] <lankke> so I decided to try here...
[08:10] <lankke> it's a shame because I really like ubuntu, now I just don't know what to do
[08:14] <secretlondon> you could try the forums?
[08:15] <secretlondon> one prob is that is quite quiet this time of day
[08:15] <lankke> Have tried that also
[08:15] <secretlondon> too early in europe, and very late in the us
[08:15] <lankke> I have searched through around about 20 different similar cases... but none seem to be exactly the same as mine
[08:15] <lankke> ok
[08:16] <secretlondon> you could try launchpad answers
[08:16] <lankke> well... is there any way of using the live cd to restore ubuntu without affecting the exisiting info... i think that i have put the home directory onto a separate partition
[08:16] <lankke> ... I will try launchpad
[08:16] <lankke> thanks
[10:10] <james_w> Is apport retracing currently?
[10:10] <james_w> Is there a backlog?
[10:13] <seb128> james_w: I stopped it yesterday because it was broken and only untagging
[10:14] <james_w> ah, ok.
[10:14] <seb128> james_w: doko give me a hand fixing the python-launchpad-bugs upgrade issue one hour ago and I just restarted it
[10:14] <seb128> james_w: it's catching up on some days of bugs now
[10:14] <james_w> great, thanks.
[10:14] <seb128> you are welcome
[10:14] <seb128> doh, it crashed
[10:14] <seb128> I hate launchpad-python-bugs
[10:15] <seb128> hum, seems to be an apport bug in this case
[10:15]  * thekorn hides
[10:16] <seb128> thekorn: nothing against you, you are doing a great work ;-)
[10:16] <seb128> thekorn: but parsing launchpad is not a reliable thing apparently
[10:16] <seb128> and I don't have access to this bug to fix it
[10:17] <seb128> bah
[10:17] <thekorn> phew, I thought I broke something
[10:17] <james_w> seb128: btw, do you know of any more randr bugs in the gnome stuff we've been working on, I think I've found them all from -desktop -settings-daemon and -control-center.
[10:18] <seb128> james_w: somebody posted on the bug yesterday to say that you xgl fix works for g-s-d but that gnome-display-properties still crash for him now
[10:18] <seb128> james_w: I verified that the changes fix the xnest case too, good work ;-)
[10:20] <james_w> seb128: great. If any more come in please subscribe me, I'm not subscribed to all bug mail.
[10:20] <seb128> james_w: alright
[10:21] <james_w> there's one about the help button doing nothing for the new -display-properties, do you know if there is any help for it?
[10:22] <seb128> james_w: I don't think so, we should just remove the button
[10:23] <james_w> yeah, I asked bryce whether that's what we should do.
[10:23] <seb128> ok
[10:24] <bigon> I had some trouble to login this morning with my normal user, after removing the smb thing in the pam configuration I was able to login, is this bug already reported?
[10:24] <seb128> bigon: dunno, look at the recent bugs on samba maybe?
[11:17] <Iulian> Hey
[11:17] <james_w> hi Iulian
[11:18] <Iulian> Hi there james
[13:53] <raboof> someone set the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/84900 to 'invalid', which imho is incorrect
[13:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84900 in alsa-plugins "libasound2-plugins misses alsa pcm jack plugin" [Undecided,Invalid]
[13:53] <raboof> is it ok for me to change the status back? or what is the procedure here?
[13:55] <mrooney> raboof: that almost looks like a Won't Fix to me, assuming the options have been evaluated
[13:55] <james_w> raboof: yeah, I'm not sure what the status should be.
[13:55] <raboof> mrooney: have they?
[13:56] <mrooney> personally I think it is improper to set a bug as Invalid without a comment explaining why, however
[13:56] <raboof> (this seems like an important issue: people are recommending against using ubuntu for audio work because of it, http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?p=251 )
[13:56] <mrooney> raboof: oh I have no idea, I was just saying if that was the case
[14:00] <mrooney> has anyone explained why jack was moved to universe?
[14:03] <james_w> anyone know where wubi bugs should go?
[14:03] <james_w> https://launchpad.net/bugs/215671
[14:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215671 in ubuntu "Wubi Desktop environement description" [Undecided,New]
[14:03] <raboof> mrooney: i think jack was never in main, but libasound2-plugins was moved from universe to main
[14:03] <andrea-bs> james_w: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi
[14:04] <mrooney> raboof: Oh I see, that seems like a silly reason to break support
[14:04] <james_w> ah, there's no package.
[14:05] <mrooney> raboof: you would think it could be compiled with optional Jack support and then support it if you have it installed
[14:05] <mrooney> raboof: but I don't know that much about deps and compiling and such, does anyone know if that is possible?
[14:06] <james_w> yeah, it's possible, but it needs changes to the library to set it up
[14:08] <mrooney> james_w: okay, so that at least makes the bug not invalid then, doesn't it
[14:08] <james_w> I don't know
[14:08] <james_w> you should find out what the chances are of getting a promotion to main for libjack
[14:09] <james_w> if not then you should file a needs-packaging bug for a libasound2-plugins-extra package.
[14:09] <mrooney> okay, great suggestions, I will do that!
[14:13] <mrooney> hmm I got a crash on doing a partial upgrade just now, "atieventsd crashed with SIGSEGV in _XSend()", is that happening a lot or should I file it, I don
[14:13] <mrooney> I don't immediately see it anywhere, but apport wouldn't open the report in firefox because "firefox is already running"
[14:14] <mrooney> which seems like a bug itself!
[14:17] <raboof> hm, looks like promoting libjack0 to main would require promoting libfreebob0 to main
[14:18] <raboof> looks like all libfreebob0's deps are already in main though
[14:19] <afflux> morning
[14:20] <james_w> raboof: you should also look at the Build-Depends in the source packages.
[14:21] <afflux> is everybode able to change the topic?
[14:22] <afflux> nvm, the answer is: * #ubuntu-bugs :You need to be a channel operator to do that
[14:22] <raboof> it's an alarming trend, btw, that people are bitching about specific problems in forums without referring to the issue tracker for it
[14:23] <afflux> raboof: confirmed, people are whining in the german forums that "this and that major issue has not yet been fixed though it was in warty and is STILL IN HARDY ALPHA1!!!!!111"
[14:24] <afflux> they complain that they "even reported one issue to LP, but it was not fixed THOUGH IT'S THAT TRIVIAL!!!!, so they wont use it again".
[14:25] <raboof> I like how in JIRA you can vote for issues
[14:25] <raboof> not that the developers neccessarily should care, but it feels good to express your interest in an issue
[14:25] <secretlondon> people come into this channel with support requests, no-one answers (it was like 6am utc) and then they sulk
[14:25] <raboof> and it shows people the issue they thing is very important is not so important to many other people
[14:26] <raboof> s/thing/think
[14:26] <secretlondon> but then you get people voting for shit - "fix lag" in games etc
[14:26] <afflux> possibly
[14:26] <raboof> anyway, i'll read up on what it takes to suggest promoting packages to main
[14:26] <raboof> afflux: true
[14:27] <secretlondon> raboof: main inclusion report
[14:27] <afflux> there is a discussion on lp-users on bug comments, because there has been much noise like ten people saying "confirmed in uptodate hardy!"
[14:27] <raboof> ;)
[14:28] <raboof> a 'confirmed-in' counter that people can tick might solve that particular issue
[14:28] <secretlondon> me toos are annoying
[14:28] <raboof> but the comments can get out of hand anyway
[14:28] <raboof> (me too -> voting :) )
[14:28] <mrooney> so raboof, you are taking care of the that libasound bug, mentioning the possibilities and stuff? I would also change it to confirmed since no one explained why it is Invalid and does not appear to be
[14:29] <raboof> mrooney: sure, i'll take a look at it for a bit
[14:29] <secretlondon> also people reopening bugs when they have a different issue eg people kept adding to the no audio kernel breakage bug with random other audio issues
[14:29] <raboof> mrooney: i was just a bit reluctant as i'm not too familiar with that 'ubuntu way' of dealing with things :)
[14:29] <afflux> yes
[14:30] <bddebian> Boo
[14:30] <raboof> so i'll stick around throwing snewbie questions at you for a bit still :)
[14:30] <raboof> (bah I can't type today)
[14:30] <afflux> they think Lp is a forum. However, there is a thin line between telling them not to write comments that don't help with fixing the bug and scaring them off
[14:30] <raboof> afflux: true that
[14:31] <secretlondon> yes, we have to stick to the code of conduct, and be open to the userbase
[14:31] <secretlondon> but adding comments to fixed bugs ensures that no-one will ever see their bug
[14:40] <seb128> james_w: should I comment on the list about the patches discussion or IRC is good too? ;-)
[14:40] <james_w> seb128: whatever suits you best
[14:41] <james_w> but only if I can ask you a question afterwards ;-)
[14:41] <seb128> james_w: I think there is many patches staying there because many packages don't have a maintainer in ubuntu and the current team is already overworked enough to not do efforts trying to understand patches on thing they have no interest in
[14:41] <seb128> james_w: sure ;-)
[14:43] <james_w> seb128: I agree, and I think that's a large part of it.
[14:43] <james_w> dholbach's point about that was that we should push that sort of patch upstream and let them sort it out.
[14:43] <james_w> however that's quite a lot of work in itself.
[14:43] <mrooney> would anyone mind confirming my bug #215692 if they have a second and use firefox 3, and marking it as Low if they agree
[14:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215692 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 does not focus address bar when creating new tab in fullscreen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215692
[14:44] <seb128> right, I discussed that with him recently
[14:44] <seb128> we were speaking about the sponsoring queue
[14:44] <seb128> one reason I ignore patches is often that those are things I don't feel comfortable getting in ubuntu or not worth the trouble (a typo fix breaking translations)
[14:45] <seb128> dealing with those would create me extra work for no win
[14:45] <seb128> I agree than ignoring them is not perfect either, but that's the easier thing to do
[14:46] <james_w> mrooney: I have an address bar in fullscreen
[14:48] <mrooney> james_w: iiiinteresting, that doesn't sound like fullscreen at al
[14:48] <mrooney> james_w: have you changed some setting?
[14:48] <james_w> it's what I get from F11 and the fullscreen option in the view menu
[14:48] <james_w> nope, have you?
[14:51] <james_w> seb128: as for my question, I made a mistake in the python-nautilus change you sponsored a little while ago.
[14:51] <james_w> I wondered if we need to provide any transition from the old API location to the new one?
[14:51] <seb128> no
[14:51] <seb128> what mistake?
[14:52] <james_w> I changed the directory it ships to be -2.0, but the code still loaded from -1.0
[14:52] <mrooney> james_w: ahh, well I moved by address bar to the top alongside the File, Edit, View etc, and have hidden Navigation and Bookmarks toolbar, to make more space
[14:52] <seb128> the api number changed because things changed and the code might need to be updated
[14:52] <mrooney> that is probably worth noting, thanks
[14:52] <james_w> seb128: so moving the p
[14:52] <seb128> so there is no real way we can transition things automatically
[14:53] <james_w> ok, thanks. The fix is a one-liner then.
[14:53] <seb128> good
[14:53] <seb128> let me know when you need sponsorship, I'll upload
[14:53] <seb128> james_w: same about the xgl gnome-display-properties issue ;-) did you change work?
[14:54] <james_w> umm, there's still a segfault, I've been in a meeting, so I haven't fixed it yet.
[14:54] <seb128> ok
[14:54] <james_w> lunchtime, I'll be back in a bit
[14:55] <seb128> enjoy your lunch
[17:15] <mrooney> can anyone give me some tips on how to handle bug #215659? What information can I ask for, and should I confirm it after the last comment?
[17:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215659 in ubuntu "Hardy: Fails to start up after todays Partial Upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215659
[17:18] <secretlondon> there was an update to grub
[17:19] <mrooney> secretlondon: that sounds like a logical cause, from the comments
[17:20] <mrooney> secretlondon: are you saying that is probably the issue? are the duplicates of this you know of?
[17:20] <secretlondon> no idea, and not looked at the bug
[17:20] <secretlondon> but the partial upgrade did stuff to grub
[17:24] <bdmurray> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID
[17:24] <james_w> mrooney: you can ask for then to edit the kernel command line in grub and remove "quiet splash" from the end and then record the error message
[17:28] <mrooney> also, are bugs that don't affect Hardy final ever treated differently than ones that do? As in, if an upgrade terribly breaks something, but people downloading Hardy final won't be affected since they will just get the latest version, is a workaround ever suggested instead of fixing the issue which won't matter later?
[17:29] <mrooney> I am just trying to figure out how important a bug like this is, which is caused by an upgrade that only affects alpha/beta testers
[17:32] <bdmurray> It sounds to me like they made some changes to their fstab and or their grub configuration which could break their systems ability to boot.
[17:34] <mrooney> bdmurray: that is what I was trying to get at with my question to the reporter
[17:34] <mrooney> though I am not sure if I succeeded
[17:37] <bdmurray> Getting those configuration files seems like the best idea to me.
[17:41] <bdmurray> ogasawara_: what's the saa7133 oops bug again?
[17:43] <ogasawara_> bdmurray: 212271 - but patch to fix has been reverted - was causing some machines to stall at boot
[18:43] <crimsun> ogasawara_: hmm, I just looked at #212960
[18:44] <ogasawara_> crimsun: yah, it wasn't quite right and was causing boot issues
[18:50] <crimsun> ogasawara_: are there any dumps from serial consoles, etc.?
[18:50] <crimsun> the semantics look really bizarre in the git changelog
[18:51] <ogasawara_> crimsun: not that I have.  amitk or rtg in #ubuntu-kernel might have something
[18:51] <crimsun> and no, I meant _free(), because at the time I posted, the patch wasn't available on LP.  I presume my browser just retried.
[21:14] <blueyed> Should duplicates get marked as "Invalid" (status)? IMHO this makes it a lot easier to separate them on bug result pages (where you include all bugs)
[21:14] <blueyed> This has been asked here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/198526/comments/3
[21:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198526 in apport "apport-gtk crashes when the crash report is not writable (dup-of: 195750)" [Medium,Invalid]
[21:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195750 in apport "apport-cli crashed with IOError in delete_report()" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:14] <james_w> That's what the desktop team do
[21:14] <blueyed> The wiki does not say anything about it.
[21:14] <blueyed> james_w: /me does it, too.
[21:14] <james_w> I don't do that though, I don't know if it's a general policy
[21:15] <blueyed> james_w: I couldn't find a policy, but I think it would be good to have one (for Ubuntu), e.g. mentioned on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[21:15] <james_w> yeah, I think one would be good
[21:15] <james_w> someone said they though it wasn't a good idea the other day, but I can't really remember why
[21:16] <james_w> maybe it was because they disappear from a user's page so they can't find the bug they reported
[21:16] <james_w> that's just a guess though really.
[21:16] <blueyed> it disappears also with status left as e.g. "new", doesn't it?
[21:17] <blueyed> user pages are bugged though, anyway.
[21:17] <blueyed> (missing bugs)
[21:17] <blueyed> It may only be more difficult to un-duplicate a bug.. but you can lookup the previous status in the history.
[21:18] <james_w> can someone check bug 215751 and make it public please?
[21:18] <ubotu> Bug 215751 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/215751 is private
[21:19] <james_w> blueyed: yes, unfortunately I can't remember the argument, or who made it :-/
[21:24] <blueyed> james_w: I cannot see the bug either.
[21:24] <james_w> are you a member of bugcontrol?
[21:25] <pedro_> i cannot see it either
[21:26] <james_w> really, what does that mean?
[21:26] <james_w> hi pedro_
[21:26] <bdmurray> james_w: Not seeing the bug?
[21:26] <james_w> yes
[21:27] <bdmurray> It could be the retracer hasn't retraced it yet, in which case only apport and the reporter would be subscribed.
[21:27] <james_w> the reason I'm interested in it is from https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/210226. I'm not trying to hack launchpad or anything :-)
[21:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210226 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in rw_screen_list_outputs()" [Medium,Fix released]
[21:28] <james_w> ah, ok, seb said that retracer has been having a few issues over the last couple of days.
[21:28] <bdmurray> or the reporter removed the 'needs-xxx-retrace' tag so it didn't get retraced yet
[21:29] <bdmurray> james_w: was the duplicate arguement made in this channel?
[21:29] <pedro_> hey hey james_w
[21:31] <james_w> bdmurray: I think so, but I can't be sure.
[21:38] <majikthise> Good evening. Is this the right forum to ask for help with a bug?
[21:40] <bdmurray> majikthise: help with working on a bug report or reporting a bug you are having.
[21:43] <majikthise> Ah okay. I have trouble with CUPS, A certain driver causes the entire system to freeze. I posted at cups.org but they refuse to deal with it, turn out thay are actually Aplle Inc. and don't deal with "third party drivers".
[21:44] <majikthise> Maybe answers.launchpad.net? Just discovered this
[21:44] <bdmurray> majikthise: which release are you using?
[21:45] <majikthise> Ubuntu 7.04, CUPS 1.2.8
[21:51] <majikthise> BRB
[22:30] <rpedro_> wondering what is the reason for the 'linux-image' not to bring in the latest kernel 2.6.24-16? 2.6.24-15 doesn't boot properly on my system, when it does boot I get an HAL error
[22:31] <rpedro_> gonna test the *-16 kernel now, just finished installing, but is there any reason for it not to be default? is it (even more) buggy? :(
[23:10] <blueyed> rpedro_: it may work probably better, but Ubuntu is conservative with new upstream release when in Freeze.
[23:11] <blueyed> rpedro_: Please report back, if it works for you with -16. There's the possibility to do git-bisect to find the failing commit even, just for info.
[23:23] <rpedro_> ok, rebooting
[23:23] <rpedro_> brb


[18:30] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:00] <ajmitch> morning
[19:11] <olly> hi
[19:12] <ibeardslee> you're early
[19:14]  * olly is in a different TZ still
[19:20]  * ajmitch feels like he's in a different TZ
[20:32] <chilts> morning
[20:33] <chilts> well, I moved into a new office this morning (I say office, I mean 'spare desk')
[20:33] <chilts> it's on Lambton Quay ... nice location
[20:33] <chilts> Whitcoull's on one side, McDonald's on the other!
[20:34] <chilts> that's by-the-by though :D
[20:34] <ajmitch> not that you'd be visiting those places very often, I'm sure :)
[20:35] <ajmitch> it's probably been a couple of months since I went to velvet burger that's about 50 metres away
[20:35] <chilts> never heard  of velvet burger
[20:36] <chilts> I don't mind popping into Whitcoulls every now and again
[20:38] <ajmitch> it's mostly a dunedin place, iirc
[20:38] <olly> branches throughout dunedin?
[20:39] <ajmitch> a couple of them in dunedin, I think they've recently opened in auckland as well
[20:40] <ajmitch> certainly a bit more expensive than mcdonalds, but worth it, like I've heard burger fuel is :)
[20:42] <thumper> morning
[20:58] <chilts> burger fuel is a lot more expensive, but yeah, like burger wisconsin it's a whole different ball game to McD's and Burger King
[22:01] <Atamira> morning


[12:17] <xperia> hi all. i am having problem with generating a rootfs for armel from scratch. rootstock gives me allways this error message here:
[12:17] <xperia> E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-armel/Packages
[12:17] <xperia> I: First stage install done
[12:18] <xperia> ./rootstock: 1016: ./rootstock: cannot create /tmp/tmp.BrWOAR43tL/tmpmount/etc/fstab: Directory nonexistent
[12:18] <xperia> Can anybody tell me how to fix this problem ?


[23:36] <answerme> NicolasBahamonde: nothing to be scared of it wont break anything
[23:37] <NicolasBahamonde> How can I know what packages are needed?
[23:37] <answerme> NicolasBahamonde: they're listed in readme or installing file :)
[23:38] <NicolasBahamonde> ok.
[23:38] <AnubArack> How can I get plymouth-manager to run on amd64 ? (I get Wrong architecture 'i386' )
[23:38] <NicolasBahamonde> Thanks.
[23:38] <answerme> NicolasBahamonde: sometimes the hint is also in make errors
[23:38] <answerme> NicolasBahamonde: if it says that something is missing try looking fo it in synaptic
[23:39] <NicolasBahamonde> OK
[23:39] <answerme> NicolasBahamonde: also install dev packages, theyre mandatory for compiling sources
[23:40] <answerme> anyone knows an app that can communicate with linux socket like netcat communicates with tcp ports?
[23:40] <answerme> something like telnet to linux socket
[23:41] <NicolasBahamonde> OK, thanks.
[23:41] <NicolasBahamonde> Good bye, I'll come when I have more qquestions.
[23:41] <Far^Side> is there an easy way to fix filenames with wrong character encodings? I have some files with iso-8559-1 filenames, witch is problematic in e.g. Midnight Commander on an UTF-8 system.
[23:42] <daftykins> Far^Side: is it on a separate file system? i had issues with mounting my file server over SMB, so i mounted it as UTF-8 and now they display correctly
[23:43] <Far^Side> daftykins, no, it's on a local ext3 filesystem. (Sometimes copying files from Windows with WinSCP gives this problem)
[23:43] <skxx> so i'm trying to get a printer working.  it's an hp deskjet 1000 j110 series, and i'm running ubuntu mav. i installed the printer through System -> Administration -> Printing -> Add and everything went alright, except when i went to print a test page the printer did absolutely nothing.  it shows up in the print queue as a completed job, but when i click print test page it just stacks another (apparently completed) job.  any clue what i'm doing wr
[23:44] <gakhan> how to make METACITY to run automatically on startup??
[23:45] <liminal> is anyone here familiar with how AMD multicore processors work?
[23:45] <ent0mbed> anyone here ever mess with booting on an EFI machine?
[23:45] <W3ird_N3rd> skxx, parallel or USB printer?
[23:45] <daftykins> Far^Side: hmm, not filenames with accent characters and so on then?
[23:45] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, how they work? I'm not sure you'll find AMD engineers here
[23:45] <answerme> lol
[23:45] <liminal> im monitoring my cores and 2 are maxed and the other 2 are idol.. is that how it should
[23:45] <crlcan81> I'm not familiar with how they work but I do have one :P
[23:46] <Matthew11_> ok, I have solved my problem: Add the root partition to the /etc/blkid.tab file. The partition type must be ext2 even if you use ext[34], then run update-grub2. The generation is correct now.
[23:46] <Far^Side> daftykins, norwegian characters like Æ, Ø, and Å
[23:46] <liminal> and ive got applications crashing all over the shop
[23:46] <skxx> W3ird_N3rd: it's a usb printer
[23:46] <crlcan81> Usually I have one maxed if something really important or huge is going on.
[23:46] <crlcan81> otherwise they never max.
[23:46] <Polah> Liminal: Perhaps affinity is being set to two cores only
[23:46] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, you need more multithreaded software probably
[23:46] <answerme> liminal: last i heard there wasnt many applications that could support 4 cores
[23:47] <W3ird_N3rd> skxx, what happens when you look at dmesg before and after plugging in the USB cable?
[23:47] <crlcan81> they're nice to have though, aren't they? Just for the sheer 'geek' factor?
[23:47] <daftykins> Far^Side: ah, i wonder if WinSCP has some character encoding settings
[23:47] <skxx> W3ird_N3rd: lemme check
[23:47] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, you could probably pretty much max them using x264 or so
[23:48] <W3ird_N3rd> or run four 1080p movies without hardware acceleration
[23:48] <Far^Side> daftykins, yes, I know that. But the problem is that I have some files spread around my harddrives with wrong character encodings, and I'm looking for an easy way to find and fix them...
[23:48] <Far^Side> s/files/filenames/
[23:48] <daftykins> Far^Side: oh ok, i misunderstand then. sorry.
[23:48] <hihihi100> about:plugins does not work in firefox, whats is the exact command? NOT UBUNTU TERMINAL
[23:48] <induz> how can i use drupal on ubuntu?
[23:48] <answerme> crlcan81: if u use programs that need fast calculations like latest photoshop or password cracker yes
[23:48] <daftykins> hihihi100: tools -> add-ons? :P
[23:49] <jrib> !drupal | induz
[23:49] <jrib> sad ubottu
[23:49] <answerme> anyone knows an app that can communicate with linux socket like netcat communicates with tcp ports?
[23:49] <jrib> induz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drupal
[23:49] <liminal> W3ird_N3rd, what is x264
[23:49] <W3ird_N3rd> h.264 encoder
[23:49] <W3ird_N3rd> !google x264
[23:50] <liminal> im not saying the application are multithread, im saying the cpu is maxing out and crashing the apps
[23:50] <hihihi100> daftykins, i was following https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java#TOC-HOW-TO-FOR-32-BIT-UBUNTU
[23:50] <hihihi100> final check section
[23:50] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, your CPU is not crashing apps
[23:50] <skxx> W3ird_N3rd: www.pastebin.com/jB8W28fv
[23:51] <W3ird_N3rd> Unknown Paste ID!
[23:51] <daftykins> hihihi100: Tools -> Add-ons -> Plug-ins
[23:51] <induz> Drupal5 or Drupal6 >>
[23:51] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, if all your applications are crashing (not just one), try memtest
[23:51] <liminal> tested the mem.. all clear
[23:51] <W3ird_N3rd> and check your power supply.. and so on. It's probably a hardware problem
[23:51] <liminal> changed the mem any way.. same problem
[23:51] <hihihi100> daftykins, lol, thx
[23:52] <liminal> its an expensive psu.. tested the voltage.. all clear
[23:52] <daftykins> hihihi100: my pleasure ^_^
[23:52] <daftykins> liminal: i find it hard to believe apps would crash just because the processor's being taxed!
[23:52] <W3ird_N3rd> or could be a driver problem. any case, which or how many cores on your CPU are being used doesn't crash apps.
[23:52] <gregL> liminal, What video card do you have?
[23:52] <neuro_damage> what's the best way to setup an nvidia card for Xorg
[23:53] <daftykins> neuro_damage: which Ubuntu, which card and gaming or not?
[23:53] <skxx> W3ird_N3rd: hold on lemme get it right this time... brb
[23:53] <liminal> started with an amd.. changed it for an nvida
[23:53] <answerme> neuro_damage: nvidia-xconfig
[23:53] <gakhan> how to make METACITY to run automatically on startup??
[23:53] <liminal> sorry ati
[23:53] <liminal> same problem
[23:54] <neuro_damage> daftykins: 10.10 geforce GT 335M
[23:54] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, exactly what apps are crashing?
[23:54] <neuro_damage> daftykins: will def try to game on it, it's one of the alienware laptops :)
[23:54] <daftykins> neuro_damage: ah laptop, you could get the latest from the website if you're good with command line so happy to stop X and restart it, otherwise just use the nvidia-current package from hardware drivers
[23:54] <soreau> How to enable the icons in system menu?
[23:54] <gregL> liminal, If using a nvidia install vdpau and the video will be off loaded to the Graphics card,and it won't spike your cpu..
[23:55] <liminal> actually im on an ati now
[23:55] <liminal> basiclly all apps
[23:55] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, AMD bought ATi so you were right anyway
[23:55] <skxx> W3ird_N3rd: http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=jB8Q28fv
[23:55] <liminal> but mainly browsers
[23:56] <sagaci> soreau, hit alt+f2 and then type gconf-editor
[23:56] <liminal> but thats what im mainly using
[23:56] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, Flash?
[23:56] <james_> can anyone suggest any media streaming server software that i can use to stream my music/podcasts from home to my workplace?
[23:56] <douglarret> I have a mix of 1 ide drive and 2 sata and they get confused on boot and dont always adhere to a sda sdb sdc scheme and now I cannot boot any suggestions?
[23:56] <liminal> yeah I find flash websites crash more than none flash ones
[23:56] <gregL> liminal, Ati won't cut it..They don't have off loading..
[23:56] <neuro_damage> daftykins: cheers
[23:57] <liminal> but my current version of google chrome flash isnt working.. and it still crashes
[23:57] <soreau> sagaci: What's the key?
[23:57] <W3ird_N3rd> gregL, irrelevant, Flash for Linux doesn't offload anything
[23:57] <soreau> sagaci: I know it's some gconf key to change, just never can remember which
[23:57] <Stryker> is it possible to have 2 monitors, one on one nvidia card, and another on an ati card?
[23:57] <W3ird_N3rd> liminal, how does it crash?
[23:57] <W3ird_N3rd> just disappear? or error msg?
[23:58] <gregL> W3ird_N3rd, Yeah, I didn't see he was using flash..
[23:58] <soreau> How to enable the icons in system menu?
[23:58] <sagaci> soreau, /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[23:58] <xerxex_> how can I mmv a sequence of files?
[23:58] <sagaci> soreau, and /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons
[23:59] <soreau> sagaci: Thanks
[23:59] <liminal> W3ird_N3rd, seemly randomly.. your looking at the page and then you get the :( face