[03:30] <robertj> so you don't have to reboot if this breaks it?
[03:30] <mjt> Roey: there's only ONE line -- $MDADM -A -s
[03:31] <Uscfan> roberyj: i need to be able to sudo in order to use root pass, and basically everytrhing is foobar
[03:31] <Roey> mjt:  then where? (in mdadm.conf)
[03:31] <mjt> Roey: ugh-blah. When you will learn to damn *read*?
[03:31] <lunitik> Uscfan: in rescue mode, you ARE root... just 'passwd'
[03:31] <kpeterson> Can someone help me set up VSFTPD?  I have followed several online guides but keep running into problems...
[03:31] <linuxn00b> Hey :) synaptic no longer opens in hoary
[03:32] <lunitik> Uscfan: it's technically single user mode... simular to Windows...
[03:32] <mjt> < mjt> Roey: you can modify /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid to include --auto=md in the $MDADM -A line
[03:32] <Uscfan> lunitik: please explain this single user mode stuff
[03:32] <robertj> Uscfan: that's why its called single user mode, you have one user who has no restrictions
[03:32] <Roey> mjt:  aaaaaaaaaaaaah
[03:32] <robertj> lunitik: not really
[03:32] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Now the question is, how the heck did you wind up without it there?:)
[03:32] <Zedtech> is there a KDE available for Ubuntu? (something prepacketed? apt-get worthy?)
[03:32] <Uscfan> ok no more problems
[03:33] <Roey> mjt: heh, ung-blah :)
[03:33] <lunitik> robertj: do you have a boot loader password?
[03:33] <membreya> Zedtech: kubuntu
[03:33] <Uscfan> omfg thank you all so much
[03:33] <mjt> Zedtech: i answered that your q already, right when that stuff has been discussed
[03:33] <Zedtech> hahaha
[03:33] <Pizbit> Zedtech: It's in universe, and then there's Kubuntu
[03:33] <mjt> Zedtech: and btw, i'm mjt, not mjr ;)
[03:33] <lunitik> Uscfan: you're welcome  :)
[03:33] <Uscfan> this is the reason why open source owns everyone
[03:33] <Roey> mjt: thanks so much : :)
[03:33] <membreya> if you have hoary installed, you can just do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <robertj> lunitik: nope, anyone who is that determined can take my drive and stick it into another computer
[03:33] <Zedtech> mjt, well answer this one; how can I force that modprobe psmouse proto=bare to load everything the machine starts? I cold rebooted and i had to use it again
[03:33] <Uscfan> lunitik: especially you man, thanks a million, and if i had millions i would give you some
[03:33] <mjt> < mjt> Zedtech: i answered that your q already, right when that stuff has been discussed
[03:33] <Pizbit> robertj: Turn off machine, unplug drive, turn off destination machine. plug it in.
[03:33] <robertj> and if your going to break into my office, might as well break into the server closet instead
[03:33] <Zedtech> mjt, im retarded.
[03:33] <Zedtech> mjt, and rebooted
[03:33] <moominski> hoy do i install hoary
[03:34] <veristead> lunitik universe is enabled
[03:34] <Uscfan> ok now i need to get my wireless working
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  about this pivot_root thing
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  how to solve it?
[03:34] <veristead> and yet wine does not reveal it self
[03:34] <lunitik> lunitik: you're very welcome... heh... so long as one day, you help someone with the issue, the cycle repeats, and I am happy  :)
[03:34] <Uscfan> my card is detected in the device listing, but what should i do
[03:34] <linuxn00b> moominski, you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.conf
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  because then I can continue using stock ubuntu kernel
[03:34] <moominski> by doin wot?
[03:34] <Roey> crimsun:  btw mjt showed me that the initrd module was missing 'modprobe -k via_sata' in 'loadmodules' file.
[03:34] <Pizbit> moominski: gedit /etc/sources.list (or via synaptic) change every warty to hoary: sudo ap-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:34] <lunitik> Uscfan: lspci recognizes it? did you google for the driver?
[03:35] <Roey> crimsun:  that had to be loaded before the softraid stuff
[03:35] <Uscfan> one sec
[03:35] <mjt> Zedtech: ugh.   It's difficult to watch this channel answering everyone's questions, but at least can't you watch for replies to *your own* questions?! (it's a question to everyone here...)
[03:35] <Uscfan> im not online at all
[03:35] <Pizbit> moominski: er, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:35] <Uscfan> lemme plugin an ehterhent cable
[03:35] <lunitik> Uscfan: also... cable, pppoe?
[03:35] <linuxn00b> moominski, change all the warty to hoary
[03:35] <crimsun> Roey: so have you inserted into your initrd?
[03:35] <lunitik> Uscfan: haha... thats a good start  ;)
[03:35] <Zedtech> mjt, understood. I read, Im highly ADD and usually am in the middle of fourteen things at once.
[03:35] <moominski> wots synaptic
[03:36] <robertj> I'm a wireless reject, I need to learn something about it
[03:36] <Pizbit> Zedtech: Here's a tip then, do '/lastlog YOURNICK' every now and then
[03:36] <mjt> Zedtech: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, say, /etc/modprobe.d/local, with the single line in it: "options psmouse proto=whatever-proto-you-found-works-for-you" (w/o quotes)
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  YES
[03:36] <Uscfan> lunitik: ok i have a router, so no need to worry about pppoe, despite the fact i dont even have it, i have DSL
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  and my custom kernel BOOTS
[03:36] <lunitik> moominski: Computer > Administration > Package Management
[03:36] <Zedtech> :-x i love you mjt
[03:36] <Uscfan> DSL without pppoe
[03:36] <linuxn00b> moominski, synaptic is your package amnager that you use to install programs and updatre them
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  HOWEVER, the Ubuntu kernle doesn't even get to that point.. that pivot error, see.
[03:36] <Uscfan> lunitik: and so now i need to get my wireless card working and detected
[03:36] <Roey> crimsun:  couldja help me with that?
[03:36] <Uscfan> eth0 is detected but i am assuming that is my ethernet
[03:36] <robertj> I figure there are 4 open ap's accessible from here and mine is locked by mac address so noone would bother to try to sniff it when they could just hop on and surf
[03:37] <mjt> Zedtech: also try proto=imps and proto=exps (see modinfo psmouse)
[03:37] <veristead> yea usually eth0 is ethernet
[03:37] <veristead> eth1 is wifi
[03:37] <Pizbit> Uscfan: So basically all it's plain ethernet between you and your router/adsl-modem and you want to set up the link between you and it? *trying to catch up here*
[03:37] <veristead> generally
[03:37] <lunitik> bah... these days... wlan0 is first wireless... eth0 is first nic...
[03:38] <Uscfan> pizbit: i got a wireless router, right now the ethernet cable is plugged in and i will try and get internet workin on the nic so i can dload drivers,etcc...
[03:38] <Uscfan> then i will configure wireless *hopefully*
[03:38] <lunitik> Uscfan: /exec -o cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep wlan0  <-- type here
[03:38] <lunitik> where here = in xchat/other irc client
[03:39] <crimsun> Roey: well, you could just use your custom kernel
[03:39] <mello> guys, is there any way to copy a multitude of files to another directory?
[03:39] <Uscfan> ok its working on the ethernet cable
[03:39] <Uscfan> time to get the wireless workin
[03:39] <lunitik> Uscfan: did you type what I just said?
[03:39] <robertj> I did not know about that, I did an /exec banner hey in #test ;)
[03:39] <Uscfan> i shall now
[03:39] <Uscfan> sorry i wasnt paying attention
[03:39] <Pizbit> robertj: without the -o it doesn't send stuff to the channel
[03:40] <lunitik> robertj: /exec is so you can see... /exec -o outputs to channel, so everyone sees
[03:40] <robertj> oh
[03:40] <Uscfan> i am logging out, imma login as rot
[03:40] <lunitik> robertj: useful
[03:40] <Uscfan> im tired of all these restrictions
[03:40] <Uscfan> meh
[03:40] <Uscfan> the administrator cannot login from the gui login
[03:40] <Uscfan> :(
[03:40] <mjt> Roey: tjat stuff resulted in pivot_root problem is *solely* due to wrong initrd being generated, for whatever reason.
[03:40] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Login as normal user, open a terminal, do: su -
[03:41] <lunitik> Uscfan: yeah... uhhh... you shouldn't have had to be root...
[03:41] <Uscfan> yeah i will
[03:41] <StR34k> hey
[03:41] <Uscfan> damnit something is wrong, nothing is loading
[03:41] <lunitik> Uscfan: anyways... you are a sudoer... so its irrelivant... just throw a 'sudo' in front of things
[03:41] <Uscfan> alt ctrl backspace :P
[03:42] <Uscfan> dangit, now gnome will not start, after login nothing happens
[03:42] <Pizbit> ctrl+alt+backspace works better *grin*
[03:42] <Uscfan> nothing is happening
[03:42] <Uscfan> no hd read or anything
[03:42] <PecK> hey all
[03:43] <PecK> does anyone know a good newbie-oriented tutorial for emacs?
[03:43] <StR34k> hey
[03:43] <Uscfan> lunitik: the command you gave me earlier is not working
[03:43] <robertj> ahh
[03:43] <robertj> Are ooo2 debs done in house or do they come from debian?
[03:44] <mjt> PecK: it comes with a good tutorial ;)
[03:44] <Pizbit> PecK: Uh, I'm a bigot so: ditch emacs, and install vim and run vim-tutor :D
[03:44] <StR34k> sorry, I use vi.
[03:44] <Uscfan> lunitik: now i am working from command line becuase gnome will not start either :(
[03:44] <Wildthing> vim is the win
[03:44] <StR34k> (vim)
[03:44] <lunitik> Uscfan: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:44] <lunitik> sudo that
[03:44] <dts> what's the default password/username for the postgressql database?
[03:44] <PecK> hum
[03:44] <PecK> installing vim right away
[03:44] <Uscfan> fuck is it restarting on tty1
[03:44] <PecK> thx
[03:45] <Uscfan> nvm
[03:45] <lunitik> Uscfan: heh... X always goes to tty7...
[03:45] <Uscfan> no the login screen works fine (gdm) but after i click login, it just sits there
[03:45] <PecK> ha, had it
[03:45] <lunitik> else 8 etc... bah... but by default...
[03:45] <mjt> PecK: it displays a brief summary of stuff (incl. tutorial) at every startup
[03:45] <StR34k> hey, does anyone know if there is a gui way to set the ide mode on a drive in Hoary?
[03:46] <Uscfan> dangit, nothing is happening
[03:46] <satty> Quick question:  For listening to .ogg which is your preferred music player?
[03:46] <guiman> hi, anyone can point me to instruction on how to install Acrobat Reader?
[03:46] <d27654> I'm out of Linux books to read, any recommendations for medium to advanced admin?
[03:46] <lunitik> satty: Rhythmbox
[03:46] <guiman> (besides the adobe website)
[03:46] <Pizbit> StR34k: Not really, but: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/whateveritis
[03:46] <Uscfan> read about how much windows sucks balls
[03:46] <Pizbit> satty: beep-media-player
[03:47] <Uscfan> lunitk: ok nothing is happening, i enter username and password, and press enter, it goes to the brown screen with the cursor just sitting there
[03:47] <Uscfan> defualt session is gnome
[03:47] <StR34k> Pizbit, :) yeah but I don't want to have to run that every time I boot.
[03:47] <PecK> lol can't understand shit with vim
[03:47] <lunitik> satty: Rhythmbox uses gstreamer for a backend... bmp uses primitive libao ...  :/
[03:47] <PecK> i'm a newb
[03:47] <Pizbit> StR34k: Don't then, put it in a startup script
[03:47] <lunitik> PecK: nano
[03:47] <PecK> and i need to right a big report like a book
[03:47] <Inva|id> When is the final release for Hoary planned?
[03:47] <knathraak> hi all, does anyone have experience with lirc & hoary, specifically lirc_i2c (pvr250/350)?
[03:47] <PecK> emacs looks pretty good for project handling
[03:47] <lunitik> Inva|id: April
[03:47] <Pizbit> lunitik: Eh? bmp can use esd/alsa/oss/many-others
[03:47] <Uscfan> well. reboots fix a lot of stuff, so i shall reboot
[03:48] <PecK> file comparison and stuff
[03:48] <Inva|id> ty
[03:48] <StR34k> Pizbit, true. :)
[03:48] <crimsun> lunitik: bmp doesn't use libao
[03:48] <PecK> but i can't get to understand everything
[03:48] <crimsun> lunitik: no one has written a gst backend for it yet
[03:48] <PecK> write
[03:48] <PecK> not right
[03:48] <Uscfan> my favorite music player is called an iPod, maybe some of you have heard of it???
[03:48] <PecK> lol
[03:48] <moominski> wot do am i ment to use for editing files i cant see any editors
[03:48] <Bukkake> fork failed: Cannot allocate memory  <-- that, being given in the terminal output when installing mysql on synatpic . . . someone help me please :x
[03:49] <lunitik> crimsun: when they do... I might reconsider... but gst seems to pretty much be the future...
[03:49] <PecK> Uscfan, yeah how do you handle iPod and Linux ?
[03:49] <lunitik> crimsun: getting the most work etc...
[03:49] <Uscfan> Peck: I dont, i dual boot on my laptop
[03:49] <PecK> Win ?
[03:49] <mjt> Bukkake: add more memory. more. More. MORE!!!  ;-P
[03:49] <catrlr> :-\
[03:49] <lunitik> PecK: latest Rhythmbox can...
[03:49] <Uscfan> Peck: But installing linux (podzilla) on my ipod would be leet
[03:49] <knathraak> hi all, does anyone have experience with lirc & hoary, specifically lirc_i2c (pvr250/350)?
[03:49] <catrlr> the ability to run Ubuntu on top of MacOS X
[03:49] <apokryphos> PecK: amaroK
[03:49] <catrlr> :-\
[03:49] <PecK> Uscfan, I have 4g...
[03:49] <catrlr> interesting thought
[03:49] <Bukkake> mjt: You mean.. as in hardware?
[03:50] <PecK> apokryphos, what is it?
[03:50] <Uscfan> PEck: as do i my friend
[03:50] <catrlr> maybe i will do that
[03:50] <Uscfan> dangnit
[03:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: bah... kde advice to #kubuntu  :P
[03:50] <mjt> Bukkake: i mean i was joking... ;)
[03:50] <PecK> Uscfan, we can't then
[03:50] <Uscfan> NOTHING HAPPENS AFTER GDM LOGIN, ANY THOUGHTS
[03:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: even if amaroK is better  :P
[03:50] <PecK> Uscfan, not yet
[03:50] <satty> Does Rhythmbox play .mp3?  Or do I need a additional plugin?
[03:50] <apokryphos> PecK: the best MP3 Program out there.
[03:50] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Remove your capslock key?:P
[03:50] <shawncorn> hi
[03:50] <lunitik> satty: 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'
[03:50] <eruin> satty: you need an additional plugin
[03:50] <PecK> can handle library and ipod? aac too? like perfect?
[03:50] <apokryphos> lunitik: Never! I'll infiltrate till I have you all converted. If I keep inculcating... ;)
[03:50] <robertj> how do you attach files to the wiki?
[03:50] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Have a look at the X log
[03:50] <Zedtech> no C Compiler on ubuntu!?
[03:50] <eruin> satty: what lunitik said
[03:50] <Uscfan> pizbit, where would i find that
[03:50] <robertj> I made an ics file of releases and I'm sure other people would like access
[03:51] <knathraak> Hi, wondering if anyone has experience getting lirc going?
[03:51] <Zedtech> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:51] <Zedtech> ?
[03:51] <Pizbit> Uscfan: /var/log/
[03:51] <eruin> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:51] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Have a look at your user's .xsession-errors file too
[03:51] <Zedtech> thanks eruin
[03:51] <Bukkake> mjt: My laptop is infamous for being slow . . . 266 mhz, 7 years old . . . memory would be the problem for this, right? Thought the message "Cannot allocate memory" looked like a big scary kernerl error at first sight
[03:52] <Uscfan> my dad just got the coolest laptop ever, it has a Dothan 2.0GHz (I am an AMD fan) 1GB of ram, 80GB hard drive, and his res is 16x12!!!! ATI Fire GL 2 128mb
[03:52] <mjt> Bukkake: try adding some swap space. and quitting some apps you're running.
[03:52] <Uscfan> it is soooo sexy
[03:52] <eruin> Zedtech: you'll probably need more stuff though ;)
[03:52] <Pizbit> satty: This explains the play/can't-play business http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:52] <eruin> Uscfan: too bad about the ati :p
[03:52] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Buahahaha, an ATI? How er, I'm too nice to say
[03:52] <Wildthing> i wonder how well ubuntu would run on a pentium 90 with 48 MB ram and a 730 MB hd
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: gnome would run horrible
[03:53] <Wildthing> heh
[03:53] <Uscfan> ati owns
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: but you could always run fluxbox or something
[03:53] <robertj> I really like the new hoary artwark
[03:53] <Artanis> my laptop mhz never sinks below 600 mhz, but in windows I saw it having 300 mhz
[03:53] <Wildthing> how about xfce?
[03:53] <catrlr> I WANT SEX
[03:53] <Artanis> can I config this?
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: no
[03:53] <catrlr> GIVE IT TO ME
[03:53] <catrlr> jk
[03:53] <Pizbit> Wildthing: Depends, great if you don't install gnome/kde and stick to a minimalistix WM
[03:53] <catrlr> :-P
[03:53] <Uscfan> an X850XT PE will rape two 6800 Ultras in SLI config
[03:53] <moominski> wot are u suppossed to use to edit files plz help?
[03:53] <Pizbit> moominski: gedit works
[03:53] <Wildthing> wow i thought xfce was supposed to be pretty minimal
[03:53] <Bukkake> mjt: Got it, thanks
[03:53] <eruin> Wildthing: xfce has gnome-ish requirements :P - honestly though, anything X-ish will run very sluggishly on a computer like that
[03:54] <eruin> Wildthing: supposed to, but isn't :P
[03:54] <moominski> it wont let me edit with gedit
[03:54] <Wildthing> heh
[03:54] <Uscfan> Pizbit: Could not init font path element unix/:7100 removing from list!
[03:54] <Pizbit> moominski: sources.list ? I told you to open with: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <Wildthing> i'm thinking about putting ubuntu on a p2 450 with 168 MB ram
[03:54] <robertj> Wildthing: I'd consider Windows 98 light
[03:54] <Wildthing> and a 10 gig hd
[03:54] <moominski> ok sorry
[03:54] <eruin> that'll work
[03:54] <Uscfan> Pizbit: i do like ati, and i am aware that ati is not linux friendly
[03:54] <apokryphos> Uscfan: not at all
[03:54] <Pizbit> Uscfan: So you like something that isn't friendly? Rrrright.
[03:54] <Uscfan> lmao
[03:54] <robertj> Wildthing: for the 90, the p2 450 will probably do ok if you strip it down
[03:55] <Uscfan> LOGIN PROBLEM, FORGET ATI
[03:55] <moominski> change everything that says warty to hoary rite?
[03:55] <Uscfan> after loggin in successfully, nothing happens, gnome does not start
[03:55] <Uscfan> where else should i look
[03:55] <Pizbit> moominski: Yes
[03:55] <Wildthing> windows 98 light?
[03:55] <Wildthing> haven't heard of it
[03:55] <Uscfan> windows 98 is shit on a stick
[03:55] <aperson> it's 98 without the se part
[03:55] <robertj> Wildthing: its a program you run and it asks for the windows 98 cd and windows 95 and installs a bit of both
[03:55] <regeya> wait wait wait...ati isn't friendly?
[03:55] <Wildthing> oic
[03:55] <robertj> aperson: not true
[03:55] <eruin> win98 was the only windows version that didn't crash on me
[03:55] <regeya> omg u r s0 l33t
[03:56] <Uscfan> ATI does not have drivers for linux
[03:56] <Wildthing> eruin, are you serioius?
[03:56] <Zedtech> NVidia is your friend
[03:56] <Zedtech> :(
[03:56] <robertj> its got almost everything from se, its just go the shell stuff from 95 to speed it up
[03:56] <eruin> Wildthing: yes
[03:56] <Uscfan> nVidia is a linux worshipper
[03:56] <mello> guys, is there any way to copy a multitude of files to another directory?
[03:56] <Wildthing> 98 crashed like an asian girl driver for me
[03:56] <robertj> so you still get usb2 support and all that
[03:56] <eruin> Wildthing: ran rock solid for several years
[03:56] <Zedtech> I love nvidia
[03:56] <eruin> :)
[03:56] <Zedtech> :-) they are my heros
[03:56] <regeya> Uscfan: that would explain the proprietary drivers
[03:56] <Wildthing> ...you must be really 1337 to manage that!
[03:56] <nuge> i love nvidia too
[03:56] <eruin> lol
[03:56] <robertj> Wild: It's not great but it might run a decent web browser on that P 90
[03:56] <Uscfan> AFTER SUCCESFULLY LOGGING IN VIA GDM, GNOME DOES NOT START
[03:56] <moominski> no i use synaptic to update
[03:56] <Pizbit> mello: cp file1 file2 new/place/ or cp file* ned/place/
[03:56] <moominski> now
[03:56] <lunitik> Uscfan: nVidia is pro anything that is likely to make them money.
[03:56] <Pizbit> Uscfan: Please stop using all capital letters
[03:56] <mello> thanks
[03:56] <regeya> yes please
[03:56] <Zedtech> :-x
[03:56] <Pizbit> moominski: You need to hit the reload button in synaptic first
[03:57] <apokryphos> Uscfan: not successful login then, was it? ;)
[03:57] <Zedtech> Want to see the worst pickup line ever
[03:57] <Uscfan> lmao
[03:57] <Uscfan> no
[03:57] <Uscfan> login worked
[03:57] <moominski> ok thanks
[03:57] <Wildthing> eruin, u mean u never had to cntrl alt delete a lockup?  or u just never had to format and reinstall
[03:57] <Roey> mjt:  so I will remake the initrd.
[03:57] <Uscfan> but gnome did not start
[03:57] <Zedtech> (20:56:40) Zed: can I stick my GPU into your AGP slot?
[03:57] <Zedtech> (20:56:54) Zed: its 8X baby
[03:57] <Zedtech> You all lose.
[03:57] <mello> hahahhaa
[03:57] <robertj> What do you want to do with your p90 anyway?>
[03:57] <Uscfan> im rebooting again
[03:57] <eruin> Wildthing: never had to do any of those things with win98 - I only upgraded when stuff started requiring xp
[03:57] <Roey> mjt:  see I thought that it sufficed to have apt-get rebuild it when I apt-got installed kernel-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
, robertj , project computer haha
[03:57] <Uscfan> AMD is the uber hax0r
[03:57] <robertj> Wild: you can probably get better results with Box
[03:57] <robertj> err Bochs
[03:58] <lunitik> hahaha... I remember BoxOS ... wonder what ever happened with that?
[03:58] <Uscfan> i am about to say forget it, and just go back into windblows
[03:58] <Wildthing> wow...windows 98 without blue screen of death...that's like china with no chinese people
[03:58] <Wildthing> it's THAT amazing
[03:58] <eruin> lol
[03:58] <shawncorn> If anyone could help me it would be appreciated.  I think I messed up.  :/  I just got Ubuntu Hoary.  I have two 120GB drives.  One is old and has a ton of data on it, ext3 fs.  The other is new and I want to throw them both into a RAID-1.  So I was installing Hoary and I saw the partitioner that had some stuff for RAIDs.  I marked the drives as RAID volumes and I think I accidentally touched the MBR on the old 120GB drive.  Now I'm trying to mo
[03:58] <shawncorn> unt the drive and it has a corrupt superblock.  So I used fdisk to change the partition type back to Linux (83) and I'm running `fsck.ext3 -y` right now and getting a lot of fixes and whatnot and I'm scared.  Also, I copied the old drive to the new one via dd before I fsck'd it.  So does anyone have any input on whether I did something excessively dumb and if I can get my data back painlessly?  *phew*  There's a mouthful...
[03:58] <Wildthing> to me, at least
[03:58] <shawncorn> (sorry about the long message =P)
[03:58] <regeya> Uscfan: and you seemed so serious about getting things going, too...
[03:58] <lunitik> random... hah... was supposed to be attempting to have Linux Windows et all stuff be seamless...
[03:58] <br33zy> where can I get the faac package for ubuntu?
[03:58] <mako> robertj: it's in the notes
[03:58] <Uscfan> i am
[03:59] <lunitik> br33zy: if its not in universe/multiverse ... try apt-get.org
[03:59] <Uscfan> i love linux, i run linux servers at home, but i cant get gnome to start
[03:59] <Pizbit> br33zy: In universe
[03:59] <mako> robertj: basically, it's a nice usability visual joke.. goes over well in largely catholic countries usually :)
[03:59] <br33zy> lol
[03:59] <moominski> ok its workin Pizbit thanks for u help dude
[03:59] <regeya> Uscfan: after a clean install?  warty or hoary?  eh?  eh???!?
[03:59] <Uscfan> hoary
[03:59] <robertj> mako: I'm a big pope fan, his contributions to haberdashery are commendable
[03:59] <Uscfan> it has been workin fine
[03:59] <regeya> I don't feel sorry for you
[04:00] <Uscfan> i have been doing stuff like getting my internet to work
[04:00] <Uscfan> but now it does not work
[04:00] <PecK> ok guys am installing amaroK
[04:00] <br33zy> Pizbit, which is it?
[04:00] <mako> robertj: hate to break it to you.. i think someone else designed the hats... :(
[04:00] <Pizbit> br33zy: Oddly enough 'faac'
[04:00] <regeya> heh lunitik
[04:00] <lunitik> regeya: you went no where, don't lie  :P
[04:00] <PecK> i'm curious :)
[04:00] <Uscfan> failsafe gnome does not start either
[04:00] <regeya> I walked away in a very virtual sense
[04:00] <Uscfan> will i need to reinstall ?!
[04:00] <br33zy> Pizbit, lunitik says it isn't in universe
[04:00] <Pizbit> moominski: No problems, I'd reboot after you've done it btw.
[04:00] <moominski> ok now wots that command to get kubuntu
[04:00] <regeya> I live in a parallel dimension where certain people can speak to me and I never hear them
[04:00] <robertj> mako: have you seen my general grumpynessp age ;)
[04:00] <lunitik> br33zy: no... I said *if* its not...
[04:00] <moominski> ok
[04:00] <lunitik> br33zy: don't misquote...
[04:00] <br33zy> oh
[04:01] <Pizbit> br33zy: No, lunitik said "...if its not in universe/multiverse ..."
[04:01] <moominski> back soon
[04:01] <br33zy> lunitik, sorry
[04:01] <br33zy> well
[04:01] <mako> robertj: i guess not
[04:01] <br33zy> i don't see it in universe
[04:01] <robertj> mako: http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/grumpyness/
[04:01] <br33zy> do i need any special lines to use universe?
[04:01] <br33zy> options*
[04:01] <Wildthing> i honstly wonder what i could use a pentium 90 for...cuz my parents want to dump it
[04:01] <robertj> vnc2swf strikes back ;)
[04:01] <Pizbit> br33zy: Read this for enabling universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:01] <Wildthing> and that just seems like a waste to me
[04:01] <lunitik> Wildthing: router
[04:01] <br33zy> it's enabled Pizbit
[04:01] <Roey> mjt:  dude, the apt-get install procedure rebuilt the initrd.img all fine...
[04:01] <lunitik> Wildthing: firewall
[04:01] <lunitik> Wildthing: proxy
[04:01] <Roey> mjt:  that pivot_root error persists though
[04:01] <Wildthing> lol dlink does that for me
[04:01] <robertj> wildthing: Filrewall if you dont mind the heat/noise
[04:01] <br33zy> erm
[04:01] <Pizbit> br33zy: The sudo apt-get update or hit reload in synaptic and install it?
[04:01] <robertj> how much does a p90 cost to run in electricity?
[04:01] <Uscfan> lunitik: come on dude any ideas?
[04:02] <Wildthing> no clue
[04:02] <StR34k> Pizbit, so i've been looking into the initfiles, and I was wondering where to put the hdparm command. I can't find anything like rc.local.
[04:02] <knathraak> Hi, wondering if anyone has experience getting lirc going?
[04:02] <Wildthing> it probably uses less power than the rest of our "more modern" computers
[04:02] <robertj> Especially here I know my computers drive up the ac bill, so I'd not touch the thing
[04:02] <Wildthing> lower frequency = lower power consumption
[04:02] <br33zy> Pizbit, iim in a terminal
[04:02] <br33zy> but yes
[04:02] <Pizbit> StR34k: Personally I cheated *g* 2secs
[04:02] <Wildthing> generally speaking
[04:02] <robertj> and I am a noise nazi
[04:02] <Roey> mjt:  I tested by doing it myself and the initrd.img that I made and the initrd.img that apt-get generated are exactly the same.
[04:02] <Roey> mjt:  yet I am sitll getting these errors.
[04:02] <Roey> mjt:  pivot_root -- what the heck is it anyway?
[04:02] <mako> robertj: looks like flash
[04:03] <StR34k> Pizbit, cheated eh? :) this sounds interesting.
[04:03] <mako> robertj: sorry dude. i don't do non-free software
[04:03] <Pizbit> br33zy: So apt-get install faac ?:)\
[04:03] <br33zy> of course
[04:03] <br33zy> not found
[04:03] <Pizbit> Universe isn't enabled then it sounds
[04:03] <lunitik> mako: whats up man... you never talk in here  :)
[04:03] <br33zy> i uncommented the two line Pizbit
[04:04] <br33zy> when i do an apt-get update it pulls universe
[04:04] <Pizbit> Ahh, it's in multiverse
[04:04] <PecK> didn't work at all for me with musicplayer under fedora 3... now installing ubuntu on the desktop too...
[04:04] <mako> lunitik: yeah.. i'm usually doing about 10 things at once :)
[04:04] <mako> lunitik: i sometimes talk in here
[04:04] <PecK> the aac stuff
[04:04] <robertj> mako: ahh, isn't there a free flash player?
[04:04] <br33zy> Pizbit, hm?
[04:04] <mako> lunitik: but usually when someone asks me a question
[04:04] <Pizbit> Throw in multiverse beside universe
[04:04] <mako> robertj: yes... but it's not very good
[04:04] <br33zy> ok
[04:04] <br33zy> Pizbit, in soruces.list?
[04:04] <mako> robertj: it crashed mozilla a bunch of times and i decided i was better off with out it
[04:04] <Pizbit> br33zy: Yup
[04:04] <PecK> amaroK is for KDE right?
[04:05] <moominski> yup
[04:05] <lunitik> mako: I think this is the first time I've seen you in here... heh... you seem to be one of the busier (sp) devels  :)
[04:05] <PecK> i'm running Gnome though
[04:05] <Pizbit> PecK: It is a KDE based app yes
[04:05] <Pizbit> PecK: You can run kde apps inside gnome
[04:05] <robertj> mako: basically it's a collection of gnome ui snaffoos and out and out bugs
[04:05] <br33zy> Pizbit, that's better, thanks
[04:05] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[04:05] <Pizbit> StR34k: Bah, trying to find the file I did up:)
[04:05] <regeya> indeed amaroK is kde-based, but it should work fine in gnome
[04:05] <Roey> mjt:  (hi?)
[04:05] <lunitik> PecK: Rhythmbox handles iPod
[04:05] <PecK> The graphics are OK and all?
[04:05] <moominski> ok now, wots that command to upgrade to kubuntu?
[04:05] <mako> robertj: good.. put the bugzilla bug numbers next to them :)
[04:05] <apokryphos> moominski: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:05] <moominski> thanks
[04:05] <regeya> I used to use rhythmbox under kde, so I'd say the opposite should work :-)
[04:05] <PecK> yeah lunitik that's what they say but mine wouldn't and I tried pretty much everything
[04:06] <Pizbit> StR34k: I'll do a pastebin
[04:06] <lunitik> PecK: no peticular configuration needed afaik... just works
[04:06] <Wildthing> wow...power consumption on a pentium 90 mhz cpu is 5 watts!
[04:06] <StR34k> Pizbit, a who whatsit?
[04:06] <PecK> so got tired of it am I changing distro
[04:06] <robertj> mako: I need to, the hard part is I don't know if they are Ubuntu or Gnome bugs
[04:06] <PecK> would have done sooner or later I think
[04:06] <lunitik> PecK: you have the little iPod logo in Rhythmbox? its only in the hoary release of Ubuntu...
[04:06] <PecK> fell in love with Ubuntu
[04:06] <Pizbit> StR34k: www.pastebin.com will give you the idea of what I'm doing:)
[04:06] <lunitik> uhh... well... its not a release yet... grrr
[04:06] <moominski> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:06] <StR34k> k
[04:06] <moominski> wots that mean
[04:06] <apokryphos> moominski: are you on warty?
[04:06] <moominski> i think so
[04:07] <apokryphos> moominski: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/installingKDE
[04:07] <apokryphos> all the information there
[04:07] <PacoBCN> my laptop shuts down for over heating. Any way to prevent it?
[04:07] <PecK> Haven't tried on the laptop, cause I have no music on the laptop so no use
[04:07] <moominski> okl thanks
[04:07] <PecK> only used harddisk
[04:07] <PecK> haha dumb me
[04:07] <robertj> Why is there an iPod icon in Rhythmbox?
[04:07] <PecK> am goin to try right away
[04:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: converts, excellent. :D
[04:07] <robertj> I don't even have a USB mass storage device connected
[04:07] <lunitik> robertj: because it can access iPod data?
[04:07] <regeya> moominski: first, I'd ask in #kubuntu, really. :-)  Other than that, follow apokryphos's link
[04:08] <robertj> lunitik: so?
[04:08] <lunitik> apokryphos: blind converts are not good converts...
[04:08] <lunitik> robertj: what you mean 'so'?
[04:08] <Roey> heh
[04:08] <robertj> so why should there be an icon there?
[04:08] <apokryphos> lunitik: who said he was blind? ;)
[04:08] <Roey> can anyone help me with an ubuntu kernel boot problem?
[04:08] <lunitik> robertj: no idea... its there though  :/
[04:09] <lunitik> robertj: would be better if it just integrated into current playlist... but it doesn't... its by the internet radio side pane
[04:09] <robertj> lunitik: I think its fine, but it just shouldn't be there when an iPod is not
[04:09] <StR34k> Pizbit, nice.
[04:09] <robertj> I actually kind of like it, it's good to have a drag target there for moving stuff
[04:10] <lunitik> robertj: true enough... file a bug perhaps?
[04:10] <lewiz> Anybody here understand gstreamer?  I want to encode some CDs with Sound Juicer but have some more specific ogg encoding options.
[04:10] <lunitik> robertj: got to be a way to dynamically add the listing...
[04:10] <Pizbit> StR34k: Probably a 'proper way' but this seems to work for me http://www.pastebin.com/263564
[04:10] <cleit0n>  hey i have error, help me, please, Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling  back to pre-XKP KEYMAP
[04:10] <lunitik> lewiz: you need lame ... wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:11] <StR34k> Pizbit, Sweet thx :>
[04:11] <Pizbit> lunitik: I thought lame only did mp3s and not oggs?
[04:11] <lewiz> lunitik: No, I want to encode to oggs.  But I want a specific quality and maximum bitrate settings.
[04:11] <robertj> hehe, I have ereet bugzilla powers on gnome as well so I really should
[04:11] <lunitik> lewiz, Pizbi: ahh... I only read 'encode CDs'...
[04:11] <regeya> lewiz: man oggenc
[04:11] <robertj> one night lewis wasn't paying any attention and endowed me ;)
[04:12] <regeya> oggenc -q 6.5 -M 256 blah.wav
[04:12] <Pizbit> robertj: That sounds just a tad dodgy:)
[04:12] <robertj> apparently he thought I knew what I was doing and had a complex problem to solve when in fact I Just needed help doing something that was very simple
[04:12] <regeya> for a gui frontend, hard to beat grip for such things
[04:12] <lewiz> regeya: Yeah, I know how to use oggenc.  Problem is I don't know whow to write gstreamer pipelines, or whatever.
[04:12] <PecK> it does!!!
[04:12] <PecK> can't play it though
[04:12] <robertj> Pizbit: bahh, take it easy. I'm from America, I'm not a native English speaker.
[04:12] <lewiz> regeya: Yeah, grip is fairly handy but I quite like to Sound Juicer interface.  The only thing I want to change is the maximum bitrate.
[04:13] <regeya> oh.
[04:13] <regeya> well, I feel 0% sympathy for the second time tonight.
[04:13] <Pizbit> robertj: Meh, second english speaker means nothing. Many who are speak better english than native english speakers, but it does explain why you  took what I said the wrong way
[04:13] <Pizbit> n4cht: Short game huh?
[04:14] <robertj> I just don't care
[04:14] <Wildthing> geez...for comparison, a pentium @ 100 Mhz max power dissipation is 10 watts...for a 3.4 ghz p4 w/ HT, it's 115 watts...
[04:14] <n4cht> heh.  trying to get ETF to work.
[04:14] <Wildthing> that's a freaking huge difference
[04:15] <robertj> does it have pci slots?
[04:15] <Wildthing> this is just cpu by itself
[04:15] <Wildthing> but yeah the p90 has pci slots
[04:18] <black_nightmare> hey there
[04:19] <sabmoc> hi black_nightmare
[04:19] <ben0ne> helloooooo
[04:19] <zenwhen> aroo
[04:19] <black_nightmare> any of you know if digital cameras that are seen as removeable hd when hotplugged in is already supported [or can I download to support them?]  ?
[04:19] <black_nightmare> hey again sabmoc :p
[04:19] <pvoce> nopers...Im trying to find a FOSS internet broadcasting suite
[04:20] <lewiz> Is there any place I can find concise reasons for packages being updated?  I mean stuff like gdm upgrade x that changed the background colour, etc.
[04:20] <black_nightmare> the camera been used oftenly under winxp home (family's cpu BTW!! heh)
[04:20] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, the flash card might be mounted automatically, is that what you mean
[04:20] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, I have a usb printer with a flash card slot, the fc is automounted when i plug it in the slot
[04:21] <black_nightmare> sabmoc...no ....heh I said 'digital cameras that are seen as removeable hd' :)
[04:21] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, yes well what is the harddrive part, a flash card?
[04:21] <black_nightmare> hmm...I'm not so sure about that now...but .. I think yeah it might be CF inside
[04:22] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, is it non-removable?
[04:22] <mathmatt> black_n. my fuji finpix a330 is automounted
[04:22] <black_nightmare> mathmatt..and thats camera>usb>computer right?
[04:23] <mathmatt> yep
[04:23] <black_nightmare> ah ok...ty I'll have to try it... do I have to like apt-get anything in particular or not really?
[04:23] <mathmatt> works great on Hoary at least
[04:23] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, my cannon a75 is automounted too, but I dont ever plug it in, just use my printer slot
[04:23] <mathmatt> no installation needed
[04:24] <sabmoc> mathmatt, aint linux beautiful :)
[04:24] <black_nightmare> hmm ok...I'll have to try this camera tomorrow or something and see if it shows up as a drive just like winxp had been doing
[04:24] <black_nightmare> :-)
[04:25] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, if you are using gnome an icon should pop up on your desktop as soon as you plug it in
[04:25] <black_nightmare> ty
[04:25] <sabmoc> probably the same in kde but I havnet tried it
[04:25] <eruin> anyone know where to get Lsongs?
[04:26] <black_nightmare> well..I still am a bit too stumped with one internal hardware problem but then...whatever!!! lol
[04:26] <black_nightmare> tomorrow....try the camera and...as usual try find something to read about my problem
[04:26] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, your pci video card problem?
[04:26] <black_nightmare> sabmoc... no isa sound card
[04:26] <mathmatt> anyone with a rage card (Vaio) get tv out to work?  I've tried atitvout which detects my tv, but no luck.
[04:26] <black_nightmare> I don't even know what irq it is at all....just that its right there in isa slot #2
[04:26] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, eeewwww......
[04:27] <black_nightmare> Creative SoundBlaster 16 CT2230 [pnp isa card]
[04:27] <Roey> hi
[04:27] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, but a SBLive card, they are cheep and very good
[04:27] <black_nightmare> sabmoc..and is that isa as well?
[04:27] <Roey> crimsun:  hi, back at square 1 with the wacom modules -- I installed but they didn't work still...
[04:27] <sabmoc> norris, pci
[04:27] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, pci
[04:28] <sabmoc> Roey, are you an artist?
[04:28] <black_nightmare> sabmoc...unless some electronic can physically replace isa for a pci....nope can't do
[04:28] <crimsun> Roey: using the custom debian/rules?
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  ah! no
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  lemme do that :)
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  hehe, forgot
[04:28] <Roey> sabmoc:  try to be one yeah
[04:28] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, ah so its a limited slot issue, thats too bad.
[04:28] <black_nightmare> would be nice if the card would work thou...especially that I have an actual 2-midi adapter cable here
[04:29] <black_nightmare> sabmoc....well 98se automatically picks up the card without asking for drivers at all
[04:29] <sabmoc> black_nightmare, SB16 is also a good card, Im prositive it should be able to work
[04:29] <black_nightmare> yeah sabmoc..thats what I'm trying to get to
[04:29] <black_nightmare> hehe
[04:29] <Roey> er
[04:29] <Roey> crimsun:  yeah it built them
[04:29] <crimsun> wait, I missed another sound card discussion?
[04:29] <Roey> crimsun:  and dmesg shows that wacom loaded before usbhid
[04:29] <crimsun> argh, too many things at once
[04:29] <black_nightmare> crimsun..no it just started :p
[04:29] <black_nightmare> LOL
[04:29] <black_nightmare> sorry :p
[04:29] <Roey> crimsun:  still though it doesn't work -- the extra wacom bits are not registering in the 'wacdump' program
[04:29] <sabmoc> Roey, thats cool
[04:29] <Roey> sabmoc:  you too?
[04:30] <fangorious> where are the window title bar icons specified for applications?
[04:30] <sabmoc> Roey, not really, I try
[04:30] <crimsun> Roey: I really have no idea about wacom, that was just what I read would help
[04:30] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[04:30] <black_nightmare> crimsun in general: creative sb16 pnp isa card > I'm trying to get it loaded so I can see the card in ubuntu yet
[04:30] <crimsun> black_nightmare: what sound card?
[04:30] <sabmoc> Roey, next thing I pick up for my computer will be a wacom
[04:30] <black_nightmare> lol..read above ^
[04:30] <crimsun> black_nightmare: sudo modprobe snd-sb16 isapnp=0
[04:30] <black_nightmare> its a CT2230 off the card itself
[04:30] <black_nightmare> ah ok...one second
[04:30] <jinxKat> sabmoc: how about just a bat
[04:31] <sabmoc> jinxKat, what bat?
[04:31] <fangorious> anyone?
[04:31] <jinxKat> a baseball bat to hit it with
[04:31] <vonschutter> does anyone know how to make it so that super karamba starts up on login  and loads the themes that I had oppen last time
[04:31] <crimsun> fangorious: /usr/share/pixmaps/  is one location
[04:31] <crimsun> fangorious: there are multiple directories
[04:31] <black_nightmare> crimsun..two error lines came up...
[04:31] <black_nightmare> FATAL: Error inserting snd_sb16 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/isa/sb/snd-sb16.ko): No such device
[04:31] <black_nightmare> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_sb16
[04:32] <sabmoc> jinxKat, you lost me, why would I hit my precious computer with a bat?
[04:32] <fangorious> crimsun, hm, already changed the one in /usr/share/pixmaps, will keep looking I guess
[04:32] <black_nightmare> sometimes I wonder where my computer thinks it is at ALL!! the card is bloody right there...lol
[04:32] <Roey> crimsun:  so yeah, I have no idea at this point
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  spare yourself the cash, support under linux sucks rocks.
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  look at what I'm going through
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  two weeks of utter HELL, following a year of inactivity (too lazy to do this)
[04:32] <Roey> sabmoc:  on kernel 2.4.x everything was fine
[04:33] <sabmoc> Roey, hmm, I think I'll still pick it up
[04:33] <Roey> sabmoc:  comes 2.6.x and they chenge sound drivers, IDE drivers, wacom, and it fucks up *everything*.
[04:33] <crimsun> black_nightmare: is it a _true_ PnP model?
[04:33] <jinxKat> anyone wanna tell me teh advantages of switching from deb sarge to unbuntu
[04:33] <examndirtbag> hi all, i need a little help
[04:33] <PacoBCN> jinxKat, our beautiful community isn't enough? :)
[04:33] <sabmoc> Roey, I've switched to 2.6.2 as soon as it came out and havnt looked back.
[04:33] <hybrid> jinxKat ubuntu is sid
[04:33] <Roey> sabmoc:  ah
[04:34] <hybrid> jinxKat support is even better
[04:34] <Roey> sabmoc:  you're in for a surprise if you haven't yet upgraded past 2.6.7, because libata took over
[04:34] <jinxKat> PacoBCN: no
[04:34] <examndirtbag> im having problems with burning cd's
[04:34] <black_nightmare> crimsun once (under 98se anyhow that is) it was not even picking up the usb hub for no reason at bootup...so....I was like peering at back of computer going "huhhhh???" and decidely yank the usb cable out then plug it back in and immedately windows went into 'detecting new hardwares..' dialog for a second there
[04:34] <hybrid> and anything deb can do so can ubuntu
[04:34] <black_nightmare> and it worked fine afterward...that was weird thou
[04:34] <crimsun> black_nightmare: otherwise I need lspnp -v information
[04:34] <PacoBCN> jinxKat, well, in that case let's look for other reasons
[04:34] <black_nightmare> and crimsun -- yes the card is a pnp one I'm sure
[04:34] <black_nightmare> hmmm let me try that..one second
[04:34] <sabmoc> Roey, no, I mean I've been running 2.6 kernels since they came out with version 2.6.2 ..so.. for a while.
[04:34] <jinxKat> hybrid: debian support is good enough for me
[04:34] <PacoBCN> jinxKat, like the commitment of having a new release every 6 months?
[04:34] <helio7> hey all! bash question: if I want to copy a sequential series of files to a new dir, I'm using (cp *888* *889* *890* *891* *892 /new/path/) is there an easier way anyone can share with me?
[04:35] <black_nightmare> bash: lspnp: command not found
[04:35] <crimsun> helio7: $(seq 888 892)
[04:35] <black_nightmare> grrr ^
[04:35] <black_nightmare> was I supposed to sudo that command or no?
[04:35] <sabmoc> helio7, well.. thats a lot of asterics already
[04:35] <jroes> hmm
[04:35] <sabmoc> helio7, what is the actuall file name
[04:35] <jroes> this seems a little out of date possibly:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/copy_of_BurningIsoHowto/view?searchterm=burn%20cd
[04:35] <helio7> well a sample filename is 050327_4888.jpg
[04:36] <hybrid> jinxKat free pressed cds
[04:36] <jinxKat> 6month release cycles sarge is pretty up to date
[04:36] <sabmoc> jroes, then dust it off and update my friend :)
[04:36] <jinxKat> cds are practically free i don't mind burning
[04:36] <jroes> it's not in the wiki
[04:36] <jroes> should I just email something a little newer to someone
[04:36] <jroes> I'd like to include how to burn a .bin file as well, but I'm going to have to hunt that down :)
[04:37] <satty> lunitik: Thanks for the help with Rhythmbox and mp3.
[04:37] <sabmoc> jroes, make a new wiki page, put a link to the old outdated version, send a email to the mailing list with the url of the updated version and someone should get on it.
[04:37] <jroes> cool :)
[04:37] <black_nightmare> crimsun - its just that if 98se picked it up with no problem it has to be PnP-abled .... or am I actually very wrong? :p
[04:38] <jroes> oh, actually it was on the wiki
[04:38] <crimsun> helio7: for i in $(seq 888 892); do cp 050327_4$i.jpg /new/path/; done
[04:38] <jroes> I just didn't realize
[04:38] <lewiz> Anybody know of a way to connect two machines together without using a crossover cable?  Is there some clever flag to pass to ifconfig?  Or do I absolutely have to go grab that switch?  :P
[04:38] <crimsun> black_nightmare: you're actually very wrong.
[04:38] <crimsun> (unfortunately)
[04:39] <sabmoc> jroes, some wiki pages are locked so you cant edit them, thats what I thought you meant.
[04:39] <black_nightmare> ic....hmmm
[04:39] <jroes> ahh
[04:39] <nanaem> good morning foks! have a short and probebly simple Q. is there any program that i can use _from_ windows to reach my linux files that is on the same disk? running 2K with U.
[04:39] <caffinated> lewiz: or modify the cable yourself.  the pinouts for a crossover are not complicated.
[04:39] <black_nightmare> one second
[04:39] <sabmoc> foks? lol
[04:39] <PacoBCN> nanaem, yes
[04:39] <sabmoc> nanaem, not really
[04:39] <lewiz> caffinated: Okay.  I'll have to go grab the switch.  It won't take long but it would have been handy.  I've not got any cable or a crimping tool here :P
[04:39] <nanaem> yes and no :)
[04:40] <sabmoc> listen to PacoBCN
[04:40] <PacoBCN> nanaem, there is a free software called Explore2(something)
[04:40] <PacoBCN> nanaem, let me look for it
[04:40] <HarryBahls> Anybody has a favorite news client they use for binaries? My favorite for win32 was Xnews, but there's no linux equiv.
[04:40] <PacoBCN> nanaem, however, it's for reading not writing it
[04:40] <sabmoc> HarryBahls, pan
[04:40] <caffinated> lewiz: the last time i had that problem and was in a hurry, it was a swiss army knife and duct tape.  my network engineer friend almost blew a fuse heh.
[04:40] <Pizbit> explore2fs iirc
[04:41] <black_nightmare> crimsun here we are and mine's CT2230 just for the info anyhow http://www.rk86.com/th99/i/C-D/53581.htm
[04:41] <PacoBCN> nanaem, Pizbit said it, it's Explore2fs
[04:41] <nanaem> ah, thx for the info. i'll go check it out... thx again...
[04:41] <black_nightmare> doesn't even list card irq so it can't be non-pnp (unless its locked to only one irq which is not describled then)
[04:41] <sabmoc> cool, I didnt know
[04:42] <helio7> thanks crimsun that worked great where should I go to learn that bash language?  is there a good book or resource you would recommend for learning stuff like that?  ((for i in $(seq 888 892); do cp 050327_4$i.jpg /new/path/; done))
[04:42] <stazich> b
[04:42] <Pizbit> Forgotten what it's called though, deleted windows ages ago
[04:42] <Pizbit> helio7: You're going to hate me for this, but google bash howto, there's at least a trillion:D
[04:42] <dts> i can't get postgresql to work because I don't know the initial password and user information
[04:42] <black_nightmare> or also www.teoma.com too :p
[04:43] <crimsun> helio7: tldp.org, check the bash scripting how-tos, tutorials, etc.
[04:43] <crimsun> helio7: and of course, read the man page.
[04:43] <aghaster> hi
[04:43] <lewiz> caffinated: Heh.  Got the switch now.  Much easier than messing about with crimping tools anyway ;)
[04:43] <aghaster> gcc doesnt come with hoary?
[04:43] <lunitik> aghaster: apt-get install build-essential
[04:43] <black_nightmare> aghaster... do 'apt-get gcc' in terminal
[04:43] <helio7> naw Pizbit thank you i'm actually taking a class currently called Intro to Unix/Linux using the Bash shell, but the language part of it isn't included really, it's too shallow a course... thanks crimsun
[04:43] <black_nightmare> its there
[04:44] <lunitik> aghaster: and to make life easier... apt-get build-dep pkg whenever you want to compile something...
[04:44] <lunitik> else you get to figure it out as you go... wich is no fun.
[04:44] <examndirtbag> i get an error when i try to write a cd:  The system is too slow to write the CD at this speed. Try a lower speed.
[04:44] <aghaster> lunitik is there a list of packages i can get easily like that?
[04:44] <lunitik> which*
[04:44] <Vjaz> Isn't the Macromedia Flash plugins supposed to work with ESD?
[04:44] <Pizbit> Yeah it is
[04:44] <black_nightmare> crimsun nevermind I'm going to bed now anyhow
[04:44] <Vjaz> It never seems to work for me.
[04:44] <black_nightmare> see you tomorrow or so
[04:44] <black_nightmare> bye now
[04:44] <Bukkake> Uhm . . . I was just looking (and comparing) the php info files (<?php phpinfo(); ?>)from my web host that I bought to locally with what I've managed to set up with apache2 and whatnot.. in it, it _seems_ that mysql, on my part, isn't somehow configured (or enabled) with apache3 . . . first of all, where is the configuration file for apache2 located . . . sorry, I'm new to apache (and Linux)
[04:44] <Bukkake> apache2*
[04:44] <lunitik> aghaster: the deb-src listings in /etc/apt/sources.list allow you to do that...
[04:45] <Bukkake> !ping
[04:45] <Bukkake> !ping
[04:45] <smouche> folks, I'm completely stumped by an annoying little problem with desktop graphics-- hope someone can enlighten me
[04:45] <Skaaa> haha bukakke
[04:45] <caffinated> lewiz: you bet :)
[04:45] <smouche> 24-bit color, widescreen laptop
[04:45] <lunitik> aghaster: also -b and source (which can be used together...)
[04:45] <crimsun> Vjaz: yes.  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[04:45] <Vjaz> It did work with a game called N, which was bundled with it's own Flash player. Sort of standalone.
[04:45] <Vjaz> crimsun: Hm... ok.
[04:45] <Skaaa> does anyone know any windows help channels on IRC?
[04:45] <smouche> photos look great, but any gradient wallpaper looks horrible
[04:46] <lunitik> Skaaa: not on freenode I'd imagine
[04:46] <Skaaa> damn
[04:46] <lunitik> Skaaa: efnet has one afaik
[04:46] <sabmoc> Skaaa, this is pretty much all open source server afaik, you'll have to find a different server.
[04:46] <eruin> "Windows help channel" :P
[04:46] <smouche> not just wallpaper, but gradients applied to background color-- horrible looking -- any ideas?
[04:46] <Skaaa> I feel like such an idiot coming here for windows and linux help
[04:46] <Skaaa> just wondering
[04:47] <helio7> 'bash scripting' and 'bash programming' is more or less the same right?
[04:47] <lunitik> Skaaa: /newserver irc.efnet.org
[04:47] <sabmoc> helio7, yep
[04:48] <coreDumped69> anybody here with experience in dual monitor setups, xinerama?
[04:48] <Skaaa> yo core dumped, i am having problems with mine, maybe we have the same problem?
[04:49] <Vjaz> crimsun: Wow. It did help. Thanks. Makes me wonder how the Flash plugin is ever supposed to work with ESD if it only supports version 1.x, which doesn't exist...
[04:49] <coreDumped69> I'm helping a friend, he's got onboard i810 and a savage card... we can get each card to work on its own, but not both together...
[04:49] <crimsun> Vjaz: yeah, blame the Macromedia folks.
[04:49] <Skaaa> not the  same problem as me, but I know that often times making an onboard card work with another card is not sucessful
[04:50] <Vjaz> crimsun: You sound sarcastic. Are you?
[04:50] <Skaaa> i tried it and ended up giving up and buying a card that supports dual monitors
[04:50] <Skaaa> although I am still having problems :-\
[04:51] <crimsun> Vjaz: no, I'm being serious.
[04:51] <kerframil> hi. is it possible to instruct apt to recurse the dependencies of say, gnome-desktop, and show me the versions of all packages that are installed that satisfy it?
[04:51] <jroes> anyone know how I could burn a .bin file in Ubuntu?
[04:51] <coreDumped69> doh, this is a turning point of whether I can get him to stay with linux or not
[04:51] <kerframil> jroes: try bin2iso
[04:51] <coreDumped69> jroes, got a cue file as well?
[04:52] <jroes> coreDumped69: yup
[04:52] <coreDumped69> cdrdao
[04:52] <GhostFaceKilla> vlc does not pop onto my gnome menu
[04:52] <GhostFaceKilla> why?
[04:52] <GhostFaceKilla> and how do I put it there?
[04:52] <jroes> kerframil: hm, that's not in the default packages, I guess I should really add those extra sources
[04:53] <kerframil> jroes: hmm, it appears that it isn't in any of the standard sources. you could try cdrdao as suggested or look for a source at apt-get.org I suppose.
[04:53] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: hoary?
[04:53] <jroes> cdrdao isn't in the default sources
[04:54] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, yes
[04:54] <kerframil> jroes: it's in universe
[04:54] <kerframil> jroes: also, the rarewares.org repo has it
[04:54] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: which vlc-related packages do you have installed, just vlc, or wxvlc, too?
[04:55] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, yeah both
[04:56] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: ok, I'll fix that.  Thanks for reporting.
[04:56] <kerframil> jroes: they may be in your sources.list file already but commented. also, apt-config can be handy for this sort of thing.
[04:57] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, no problem. I found a "bug"?
[04:57] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: a goof-up on my part, yes.
[04:58] <jroes> hmm
[04:58] <crimsun> jroes: wget.
[04:58] <difekta> does anyone know how to select which hash alg you want gpg to use when you sign?
[04:59] <jroes> haha :)
[04:59] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, in general one can't manually edit menus in Gnome 2.10?
[04:59] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: correct, though hopefully there will be one for Breezy.
[04:59] <GhostFaceKilla> Breezy?
[05:00] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: the next Ubuntu stable release following Hoary.
[05:02] <StR34k> hello
[05:02] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, wait that long until one is able to edit the menus? What have to wai tfor the next Gnome release? Don't they know this is a problem to leave out this feature?
[05:03] <ice_1963> how can i get synaptic to work in kubuntu
[05:03] <kerframil> GhostFaceKilla: it has caused some controversy indeed - you can still make .desktop entries in /usr/share/applications though
[05:03] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: I think the general consensus it's not really a big problem
[05:03] <GhostFaceKilla> crimsun, or are all packagers expected to make their apps automagically appear in the menu, unlike yours did?;)
[05:03] <kerframil> GhostFaceKilla: there is also denu.sourceforge.net
[05:03] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: it's up to the packagers.
[05:04] <hou5ton> I have worked hard to figure out why I can't get sounds to work in Xchat on Hoary. I had them working in Warty. If I put in the path to a particular program to play a sound file, it will work then, but opens a new instance of that application each time
[05:04] <GhostFaceKilla> wow
[05:04] <hou5ton> but the automatic doesn't work
[05:04] <hou5ton> i show that aplay is in /usr/bin
[05:04] <hou5ton> and xchat supposedly uses that
[05:04] <GhostFaceKilla> weird Gnome went that route
[05:04] <difekta> it's the woo
[05:04] <difekta> tang
[05:04] <difekta> yo, i bomb atomically..socrates philosophies and hypotheses..
[05:05] <difekta> can't define how i be droppin these.
[05:05] <GhostFaceKilla> difekta, yeah yeha yeah
[05:05] <Roey> hello again
[05:05] <difekta> they didn't play when i went to see them with rage.
[05:05] <eruin> "socrates philosophies and hypotheses"?
[05:05] <eruin> 1 out of 10 points for lyrics
[05:05] <Bukkake> tiny question: should I use phpmyadmin to for account administration?
[05:05] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, lyrics
[05:05] <difekta> can't define how i be droppin these..mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery.  flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me.
[05:06] <GhostFaceKilla> LOL
[05:06] <errr> #wu-tabg :D
[05:06] <ice_1963> =)
[05:06] <difekta> i've seen, and given five to, ODB and Raekwon
[05:06] <errr> wu-tang*
[05:06] <eruin> ugh, I've always said american music sucks, sorry.
[05:06] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:06] <difekta> they played in the small college town of Lawrence kansas.
[05:06] <difekta> where do you live eruin ?
[05:07] <Roey> can anyone help me out with this weird problem in booting Ubuntu? I get this when I boot the standard kernel:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/a76TwZ20.html
[05:07] <eruin> norway, europe
[05:07] <difekta> i live in san francisco and i think tons of us music rocks.
[05:07] <difekta> you like sigur ros?
[05:07] <eruin> yes
[05:07] <difekta> i love them.
[05:07] <scottj> I installed tomboy from ubuntu and it worked once but while I was changing my prefs it crashed and now when I try to add it to the panel it says "The panel encountered a problem while loading ". Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? -- Now I can't get it to load up anymore, even after logging out
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, if by "suck" you mean influenced just about everyone on the planet....yeah it sucks..
[05:07] <eruin> the best part is I understand his lyrics ;)
[05:07] <Bukkake> Little question: how can I view my harddrive info on command-line?
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> and wtf is "american music"?
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:07] <GhostFaceKilla> thats like "american water"?
[05:07] <eruin> anything stemming from america ;)
[05:08] <difekta> i like sigur ros, radiohead, keane, coldplay, etc., and i still love wu tang..50 cent..
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[05:08] <Bukkake> I'll give a little kiss to whomever answers my question :x
[05:08] <eruin> and rap/hiphop in particular ;P
[05:08] <difekta> elliot smith didn't suck.
[05:08] <Skaaa> what the fuck?
[05:08] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, lol, I kid you...but sounds liek the dreaded <gasp> "anti-americanism"
[05:08] <eruin> the beatles sucked, I'll giv eyou that too :P
[05:08] <difekta> you should check out my music eruin at brokenladder.com
[05:08] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: nah, don't suffer from that
[05:08] <jroes> hmn
[05:08] <Bukkake> Little question: how can I view my harddrive info on command-line . . . ? :s
[05:09] <jroes> cdrecord just doesn't like my box
[05:09] <Whiffle> hey woah how'd i end up on an ubuntu server..
[05:09] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, good, I always say: dislike what you will, just have a good reason for it at least
[05:09] <Whiffle> oh well, i use ubuntu :-P
[05:09] <kerframil> Bukkake: sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda
[05:09] <Bukkake> thank yhou
[05:09] <kerframil> Bukkake: you can also cat the various files under, say, /proc/ide/hda/
[05:10] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: the problem is probably that any good music coming out of there is drowned by the commercialized crap
[05:10] <GhostFaceKilla> I just fixed my dma on my rom drives today
[05:10] <Bukkake> Ahh .. thanks again
[05:10] <kerframil> Bukkake: and review dmesg ... dmesg | less
[05:10] <lewiz> Yey.  Cute little cursors.
[05:10] <spreda> ubuntu (warty) dials out, establishs a connection with my isp. various logs contain the host and remote ip numbers, but firefox, xchat, apt don't seem to connect. any clues, please? the user owns everything, as far as I can see
[05:10] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, I TOTALLY agree and can't stand the comercial trash....corpro-pop-foo
[05:11] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: yeh, the stuff swamps the lists, music shows and everything here, holding back the good music
[05:12] <eruin> and since most of that music is from the usa, I've come to despise _any_ music originating from it..
[05:12] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, I'm running nicotine now, seems the euros love soulseek, and I have been downloading lots of various stuff
[05:12] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, if you are on it, lets share some time?
[05:12] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: sorry, I'm not.. I only use BT ;-)
[05:12] <Skaaa> this sounds stupid, but i need help with *COUGH* a windows computer. I dont know where else to go.
[05:12] <eruin> thepiratebay.org ;>
[05:13] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, how do you BT with no search engine?
[05:13] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: by using the one above :P
[05:13] <eruin> and my trusty old companion, gnome-btdownload
[05:13] <eruin> ;)
[05:13] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, don't riddle me now man? The one above? What God?
[05:14] <eruin> it's in swedish though
[05:14] <eruin> finding your way around shouldnt be too difficult
[05:14] <eruin> sk = search ;>
[05:15] <GhostFaceKilla> yeah, thats why i don't use BT for music...
[05:15] <GhostFaceKilla> I'm not smart enough
[05:15] <eruin> that site is the very best thing for albums dc++ aside
[05:15] <GhostFaceKilla> finding what you want is such a hassle
[05:16] <josue> what is a good mail applet besides mail notification and gnubiff guys?
[05:16] <eruin> and it's responsible for atleast 50 of my most recent album purchases ;)
[05:16] <GhostFaceKilla> and I don't speak 5 languages because I'm an ignorant american..stuck with inly one language
[05:16] <eruin> josue: flink
[05:16] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: lol
[05:16] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:16] <eruin> and I'd have thought you knew atleast mexican
[05:16] <GhostFaceKilla> LOL
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> only the president speaks "mexican"
[05:17] <eruin> hahaha
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> I know a lil spanish though?
[05:17] <josue> hey eruin, thanks
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> Is that the same?;)
[05:17] <eruin> GhostFaceKilla: mostly
[05:17] <eruin> ;)
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:17] <GhostFaceKilla> how about spanglish?
[05:17] <eruin> josue salazar
[05:18] <eruin> :p
[05:18] <eruin> spanglish
[05:18] <Guilmon> the most obsurd picture... http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1111975151379.jpg
[05:18] <Guilmon> ;)
[05:18] <GhostFaceKilla> ebonics?
[05:18] <eruin> my girlfriend has been trying to teach me spanish after she was in bolivia
[05:18] <josue> lol yep
[05:18] <eruin> my spanish resembles spanglish I think
[05:18] <eruin> :P
[05:18] <josue> mexicano?
[05:18] <josue> wtf
[05:18] <josue> you guys are lost
[05:19] <josue> lol
[05:19] <GhostFaceKilla> latinas estas muy caliente!
[05:19] <eruin> very much so ;)
[05:19] <eruin> :D
[05:19] <eruin> si, si
[05:19] <GhostFaceKilla> I have to finish spanish in order to get my degree
[05:19] <eruin> Guilmon: is that the absurdly annoying woman they keep talking about in the media day in and day out?
[05:19] <GhostFaceKilla> looking for a good latina to "tutor" me
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: yes :(
[05:20] <eruin> Guilmon: gosh, I hate that
[05:20] <eruin> Guilmon: any sensible human being would say pull the plug
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: there are deaths like this every day in hospitals, how come this woman gets fame?
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: ditto
[05:20] <josue> las chicas latinas son unas ricas!
[05:20] <josue> :)
[05:20] <Guilmon> eruin: Its getting real annoying to where, I just wish she would die already
[05:20] <eruin> and the whole "president aborts easter holidays to sign new law" thing is becoming a giant farse
[05:20] <Guilmon> shes been 9 days without food or water
[05:20] <eruin> Guilmon: same.
[05:21] <josue> hmm.
[05:21] <josue> Guilmon agreed also
[05:21] <eruin> I want INTERESTING news
[05:21] <eruin> IMPORTANT news
[05:21] <Roey> what are the nvidia packages for xorg?
[05:21] <josue> may i recommend a good article about Terri?
[05:21] <Guilmon> the husband should be charged with murder though, since he could have just handed her to her parents
[05:21] <eruin> not some mumbojumbo about some random dead woman
[05:21] <eruin> :/
[05:21] <Roey> Guilmon:  absolutely
[05:21] <Guilmon> the guy has a slut and 2 kids which aren't terri schivos
[05:21] <GhostFaceKilla> because its good for the religious fundemental freaks in this country to rally around...it also takes away from Senator Frists criminal activities...Like the MJ "trial"
[05:21] <jinxKat> there are nvidia packages for xorg
[05:22] <josue> blog post from yestterday
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: most likely
[05:22] <josue> http://outtacontext.com/life/archive/000290.shtml
[05:22] <Roey> jinxKat:  did you say there are or there are not
[05:22] <jinxKat> Roey: was asking a question
[05:22] <GhostFaceKilla> Guilmon, I'm in FL
[05:22] <Bukkake> I'm on command-line at mysql.. heaven forbid, I don't need to get case-sensative now, do I?
[05:22] <GhostFaceKilla> Its a fiasco
[05:22] <Roey> what's religiously fundamental about a parent's right to protect their kid's life?
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: yep.
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: it will be over soon, don't worry
[05:22] <Roey> jinxKat:  yeah there are I just forgot the package names
[05:22] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: I give her 1 day, 2 at the max.
[05:23] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, its not up to her parents anymore...has'nt been for a long time
[05:23] <geneo93> x-window-system-core this package slows down your computer
[05:23] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  I think you're full of it.
[05:23] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: actually, there will be more.  I think people can act like grown ups here
[05:24] <eruin> one thing norway and the us has i common is that the country is run by religious fanatics
[05:24] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, its not about what he cares...only in he cares enough to carry out his wifes last wishes...which was clearly not to be left in a vegative state
[05:25] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  but she is not in a PVS
[05:25] <jinxKat> bite me
[05:25] <Guilmon> eruin: agreed.
[05:25] <Guilmon> eruin: aka Republicans ;)
[05:25] <Roey> eh
[05:25] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, well thats for the doctors to debate, not Sen. Frist via satelite
[05:25] <Roey> at least the country isn't being run by liberals, thank god.
[05:25] <eruin> we've got a mix of rightwing immigrant-unfriendly f*cks and the people's christian party
[05:25] <eruin> you do the math
[05:25] <Guilmon> Roey: I'm neutral ;)
[05:26] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  to debate while she's being starved to death brutally?
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> Roey, how did we get on "liberals" and who running the country?
[05:26] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  someone said republicans, so I said liberals.
[05:26] <eruin> define "liberals"
[05:26] <Guilmon> GhostFaceKilla: liberals were brought up in the news
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> you can "starve to death" someone who is dead
[05:26] <GhostFaceKilla> lol
[05:26] <smouche> jesus, here we are in Florida.  The twilight zone of the United States.  Fuck.    What is this, CNN?
[05:29] <sabmoc> eruin, if you want to bash governments do it elsewhere
[05:29] <eruin> Israel as a nation and jews is hardly the same thing though
[05:29] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, LOL see
[05:29] <sabmoc> eruin, ubuntu is non political
[05:29] <spreda_> ubuntu (warty) dials out, establishs a connection with my isp. various logs contain the host and remote ip numbers, but firefox, xchat, apt don't seem to connect. any clues, please? the user owns everything, as far as I can see, and it all works on diff OS on same box
[05:29] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, you beter run
[05:29] <eruin> I'll stfu
[05:30] <geneo93> spreda i use pppd to connect
[05:30] <sabmoc> eruin, :) Im not agreeing or disagreeing, just saying 'please dont do that here'
[05:30] <spreda_> so do I
[05:30] <Roey> GhostFaceKilla:  that freaking zionist jew eh? he should be shot, right?
[05:30] <geneo93> set it up manualy in terminal
[05:30] <GhostFaceKilla> eruin, ubuntu is non political ?!? LOL since when? What does ubuntu mean again? If the definition of Ubuntu is NOT politicall wtf is? Thats the ONLY reason I use Ubuntu, is for its political stance. JC
[05:30] <Roey> this is the problem with freenode... all these kuro5hin-class neohippies.
[05:31] <eruin> sabmoc: no worries, I just tend to get annoyed by ignorant fools voicing opinions like the last one in this channel ;)
[05:33] <Roey> me too.
[05:33] <spreda_> geneo93: I was connected for more than an hour without being able to get anything to work
[05:34] <Whiffle> i installed ubuntu last night and I am liking it very much :D
[05:35] <geneo93> spreda_:  well mine was the same way till i set it up the way it is now
[05:35] <spreda_> geneo93: what simple thing have I missed
[05:35] <geneo93> pppconfig and set that up
[05:36] <spreda_> did that, and it connnects to the isp
[05:36] <geneo93> none of the gui apps work
[05:36] <geneo93> pap/chap
[05:37] <spreda_> geneo93: apt didn't either
[05:37] <spreda_> pap
[05:37] <synd> hi guys
[05:37] <geneo93> spreda_:  try ifconfig and see whats blocking it
[05:37] <Tegk> Is anyone here having any issues with firefox? It seems that running 2.6.11, each time I close firefox after doing some browsing, my entire system locks up.
[05:38] <njan> Tegk, firefox has been a little unstable for me recently, but I put it down to my system being hacked to death
[05:38] <synd> where do i find the package "ndiswrapper-utils" ?
[05:38] <synd> i launched synaptic
[05:38] <spreda_> gen actually on thesame box, diff os ATM
[05:38] <synd> but its not there
[05:39] <synd> im trying to get ubuntu to recognize my wireless card in my PC
[05:39] <Tegk> njan: Hacked to death? In what manner? This is a fresh hoary install. Perhaps I need to redo my iptables
[05:39] <Pizbit> spreda_: It's probably in universe or more likely multiverse so you'd need those enabled.
[05:39] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:39] <njan> Tegk, I meant that my installation of warty is hacked to death :)
[05:39] <Pizbit> spreda_: Oops, wrong person:)
[05:40] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: I'm test-building.
[05:40] <Pizbit> synd: Read what I just said
[05:40] <spreda_> geneo93: actually on the same box, diff os ATM
[05:40] <Tegk> I see.
[05:41] <Tegk> synd: I think you're looking for ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source.
[05:41] <synd> yeah
[05:41] <Jeezis> synd: use apt-get install ndiswrapper
[05:41] <synd> sorry guys i just got Ubuntu up and running yesterday.
[05:41] <yoko-omo> is there a place to go to find all gnome/ubuntu keyboard shortcuts?
[05:41] <spreda_> Pizbit: np
[05:41] <yoko-omo> synd: no reason to apologize
[05:41] <Tegk> Well this is just bloody strange. Any ideas of where I could find some logs that might indicate WTH is going wrong in these crashes?
[05:41] <synd> aint ever used linux before.. but i am fluent with OSX !
[05:41] <Jeezis> synd: lol
[05:42] <Pizbit> yoko-omo: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts for gnome
[05:42] <Tegk> Ever use the term on OSX, synd?
[05:42] <synd> ndiswrapper on OSX? sure havent
[05:42] <Pizbit> Tegk: ahhh!
[05:42] <Tegk> No, the terminal, the console.
[05:42] <Tegk> ?
[05:42] <Pizbit> Tegk: What version of nvidia drivers?
[05:43] <synd> ohhh yeah
[05:43] <synd> its similar
[05:43] <Tegk> Me, no nvidia. This is an older (Who am I kidding, ancient) box, neomagic chipset.
[05:43] <synd> from what ive seen as of yet
[05:43] <Pizbit> Tegk: Doh, sounded just like a problem with the latest set of nvidia drivers heh
[05:43] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:43] <Tegk> synd: Very similar, though, I believe OSX uses a c shell.
[05:44] <Tegk> So, in the terminal apt-get install ndiswrapper[-util|-source]
[05:44] <alfie> allo
[05:44] <Dreamer3> are there any new distros on linux specifically designed to run on older boxes (64mb ram) with X, browser, e-mail, etc?
[05:44] <synd> type apt-get install ndiswrapper[-util|-source]
[05:44] <Dreamer3> ubuntu is just about unusable
[05:44] <yoko-omo> anyone wanna try and help me with a problem with firefox?
[05:44] <synd> into terminal?
[05:44] <crimsun> Dreamer3: dsl?
[05:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ?
[05:45] <Tegk> yoko: what's going on?
[05:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I have a 32 MB machine that crunches along with Ubuntu
[05:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it runs blackbox
[05:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah...
[05:45] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Damn Small Linux or whatever it is?
[05:45] <Tegk> synd: yes, but just choose one ending at a time. Source would be your best bet first
[05:45] <crimsun> 8-bit colour
[05:45] <yoko-omo> Tegk: everytime I log onto some sites, they crash firefox
[05:45] <yoko-omo> for instance, www.milwaukeebrewers.com
[05:45] <Dreamer3> crimsun: good thought
[05:46] <geneo93> why wont nicotine connect
[05:46] <yoko-omo> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> The error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)'.
[05:46] <yoko-omo>   (Details: serial 51 error_code 172 request_code 149 minor_code 2)
[05:46] <yoko-omo>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[05:46] <yoko-omo>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[05:46] <Pizbit> yoko-omo: Don't spam us.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> shoot
[05:46] <yoko-omo> sorry
[05:46] <yoko-omo> :(
[05:46] <yoko-omo> didn't mean to do that to this window
[05:46] <Tegk> yoko- try starting it from the terminal, and let me know what error it blows out on exit.
[05:46] <yoko-omo> that is what it blows out
[05:47] <Tegk> sorry
[05:47] <akk> yoko-omo: A lot of times, crashes like that are from a plugin, like flash.
[05:47] <yoko-omo> akk: I see, so reinstall the mozilla-flash?
[05:47] <yoko-omo> or just delete it?
[05:47] <Tegk> I missed that. Try that
[05:48] <Tegk> though, it sounds alot like an X error (shm being an X extention)
[05:49] <yoko-omo> well, it crashes firefox completely
[05:49] <yoko-omo> and it's not on every site
[05:49] <Tegk> Only ones with flash, correct?
[05:50] <yoko-omo> not sure, since I can't view them :)
[05:50] <maxchee> does anyone know how to start ubuntu without starting x
[05:50] <maxchee> and how to properly shut down x
[05:51] <sysrq> maxchee: gdm starts automaticly, you can remove the initscript if you don't want it to
[05:51] <maxchee> anyone?
[05:51] <Tegk> Maxchee: 1: Remove [G/K/X] DM from your startup scripts. 2: The proper way is to just end your windowmanager.
[05:51] <yoko-omo> it works
[05:51] <yoko-omo> omg it works
[05:51] <Tegk> That's good!
[05:52] <yoko-omo> I didn't check but apparently I had installed libflash-mozplugin and not flashplayer-mozilla
[05:52] <mhz> anyone successfully using an Agfa USB scanner?
[05:52] <Tegk> mhz: Tried google? Oh, and check the SANE site. They have a list of supported scanners.
[05:53] <maxchee> Tegk: killall metacity?
[05:53] <synd> Tegk: im still lost with this ndiswrapper-utils deal
[05:53] <mhz> Tegk: I have read a lot and googled too, that is why I am herjust in case someone has.
[05:53] <Tegk> Well, what are you trying to do, specifically?
[05:53] <maxchee> Tegk: also, how to prevent it from restarting?
[05:53] <Tegk> NDISwrapper is not a simple install (unfortunately.)
[05:53] <Pizbit> maxchee: If [xgk] dm init scripts have been removed X wont restart
[05:54] <crimsun> maxchee: the simplest way is to rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm*
[05:54] <Tegk> See above:
[05:54] <synd> well it's the only way I can get this wireless card to be recognized by Ubuntu, right?
[05:54] <Tegk> ahh
[05:54] <Tegk> wait.
[05:54] <maxchee> I just thought that qemu+kqemu might run faster without the overhead of gdm
[05:54] <Tegk> just checked the site
[05:55] <Tegk> Do you have the ndiswrapper site in your sources.list ? (Check /etc/apt/
[05:55] <Tegk> )
[05:55] <synd> how do i check that
[05:55] <Tegk> just look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:56] <Pizbit> Tegk: It's all very well to look somewhere, but useless if you don't know what to look for.
[05:56] <Tegk> I don't think you do, but just try the following at your console: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source
[05:56] <Tegk> pizbit: Sorry, I know, i get ahead of myself somemtimes.
[05:57] <synd> yeah, it's not showing it in the sources.list
[05:57] <Tegk> That's fine. Did you try the command?
[05:57] <synd> yup
[05:57] <synd> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:57] <synd> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:57] <synd> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-source
[05:57] <Roey> hi
[05:58] <Pizbit> synd: Enable universe and multiverse by reading this, then try installing ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:59] <synd> how exactly do i enable universe and multiverse
[06:00] <synd> haha sorry : ( gotta start somewhere !
[06:00] <delltony> edit your sources.list file
[06:00] <Pizbit> synd: You go to primary school and learn how to read.
[06:01] <delltony>  with gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:01] <Pizbit> You then read what I said.
[06:01] <fangorious> how can I list all packages that depend on kubuntu-desktop?
[06:01] <Pizbit> And then read the relevent parts of the page I linked too which says exactly how to enable them.
[06:01] <Tekmaven> why will libtool only allow stuff to install to /usr/local/lib?
[06:01] <Tekmaven> the software i'm installing wants to put stuff in /usr/lib
[06:02] <Pizbit> Tekmaven: Are you installing via other means than synaptic/apt ?
[06:02] <synd> Pizbit: Oh. I didnt understand that you meant by reading the site. My apologies.
[06:04] <geneo93> where is that site to configure java after its installed links and so on
[06:06] <fangorious> how do I list a packages dependencies with dpkg or apt?
[06:06] <Pizbit> apt-cache show packagename
[06:07] <wannabe> heyy
[06:07] <eclipse> how come i can't kde?
[06:07] <wannabe> !
[06:07] <wannabe> )
[06:07] <wannabe> x)
[06:07] <fangorious> eclipse, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <fangorious> Pizbit, is there a way to show all the packages that depend on a specifc package?
[06:08] <eclipse> fangorious, so i can't do apt-get install kde?...it has to be apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:08] <Pizbit> Er, try uninstall it and see what else has to be removed as well?:) other than that, no idea
[06:08] <projectmayhem> hey all
[06:09] <projectmayhem> eclipse couldn't you just download kubuntu?
[06:09] <projectmayhem> eclipse that's what i did...
[06:09] <Pizbit> eclipse: You can just install kde, you'll need to enable universe though I believe
[06:09] <geneo93> eclipse:  yes that will work
[06:09] <wannabe> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <wannabe> isnt working
[06:09] <Pizbit> Use sudo:P
[06:09] <fangorious> wannabe, hoary 5.04-preview?
[06:09] <Pizbit> and 'isnt working' is *really* informative
[06:10] <wannabe> i mean
[06:10] <eclipse> wannabe, so does apt-get kubuntu-desktop work or not?
[06:10] <luckymarciano> can any one hack my ubuntu ?
[06:10] <geneo93> eclipse:  all you need is kde
[06:10] <wannabe> couldnt find package for kubuntu
[06:10] <wannabe> couldnt find packagekubuntu
[06:11] <projectmayhem> wannabe you have correct repos?
[06:11] <wannabe> i wrote kubuntu
[06:11] <eclipse> geneo93. when i tried that it gave me an error message saying i needed to install some kde...package but it won't install
[06:11] <geneo93> and all you need is kde thats what i used and its fine
[06:11] <wannabe> maybe
[06:11] <fangorious> eclipse, kubuntu-desktop has a more complete set of packages then kde
[06:11] <wannabe> how to fix that
[06:12] <projectmayhem> wannabe you have bittorrent?
[06:12] <fangorious> eclipse, run `apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop` and `apt-cache show kde` to see the differences
[06:12] <fangorious> wannabe, run `sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop`
[06:12] <eclipse> another thing, how come i can't install the latest nvidia driver?
[06:13] <kyouens> DVD problem with Hoary Devel Release, Dell D610.....I have installed dvdcss2, dvdnav, etc.  When I try to play a DVD in any progam (mplayer, xine--whatever) it gets _stuck_ on libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x00000186.....and the process becomes unkillable
[06:13] <Pizbit> eclipse: Probably because it's horribly unstable
[06:13] <Lithi> Any known issues with DFI nf4 64bit mobos and Ubuntu 64 4.10? It stalls after install trying to start hotpluging services.
[06:14] <kyouens> anybody got any ideas?
[06:15] <projectmayhem> kyouens did you install libdvdcss2 from apt-get?
[06:15] <kyouens> yes I did projectmaybe
[06:15] <Dreamer3> ok, are there other tiny distros, or DSL is about the best?
[06:15] <projectmayhem> kyouens sorry didn't read that that well
[06:16] <kyouens> everything installed fine...perhaps somehow the libdvdcss package is working with the devel release yet. . .
[06:16] <kyouens> (is NOT working I mean)
[06:16] <projectmayhem> kyouens maybe driver for your dvd drive?
[06:16] <eclipse> one last thing...i don't know if this is a bug or not but the gnome desktop doesn't refresh that fast
[06:16] <projectmayhem> kyouens also do you have symbolic link for /dev/dvd ?
[06:17] <kyouens> projectmayhem:  The drive works fine with nautilus, etc file browsinng.  Also yes I have the symlinks
[06:17] <kyouens> It seems to be an isolated prob with DVD playing
[06:17] <projectmayhem> kyouens that's really weird... all the codecs installed?
[06:17] <eclipse> for example. when i download something sometimes it wouldn't appear on the desktop and the only way to get it to appear on the desktop is to do Alt-R to refresh it
[06:17] <kyouens> eclipse:  I have noticed that behavior as well
[06:17] <eclipse> any patches?
[06:18] <kyouens> eclipse:  not that I know of
[06:18] <eclipse> kyouens, right?
[06:18] <kyouens> eclipse:  what?
[06:18] <projectmayhem> eclipse maybe you are getting that because your graphics driver is not functioning?
[06:18] <eclipse> that's y i want to switch to kde
[06:18] <eclipse> but kde has a bug too
[06:18] <kyouens> eclipse:  no patches that I know of for the slow desktop refresh.  Also, before switching to KDE, know that it's not perfect yet either
[06:18] <projectmayhem> nvidia driver not working = slow graphics
[06:19] <eclipse> no, this has nothing to do with that
[06:19] <projectmayhem> eclipse no software is perfect and bug free, duh
[06:19] <^thehatsrule^> Dreamer3, it depends on what you need
[06:19] <eclipse> projectmayhem, i have the nvidia driver installed with openGL enabled
[06:20] <projectmayhem> eclipse oh, then it shouldn't be a problem
[06:20] <projectmayhem> eclipse hoary or warty?
[06:20] <yoko-omo> cedega is my favorite lunix app
[06:20] <eclipse> hoary
[06:20] <projectmayhem> eclipse that could be part of it, hoary (since its unstable and all) tends to run slower
[06:20] <projectmayhem> yoko omo don't you have to pay for that??
[06:20] <eclipse> also in kde, the desktop icon text doesn't support long filename
[06:20] <kyouens> yoko--wow.
[06:21] <yoko-omo> projectmayhem: yes
[06:21] <projectmayhem> yoko-omo shame on paying for linux software that's like immoral
[06:21] <eclipse> projectmayhem, no it happens in fedora core 3 also
[06:21] <yoko-omo> projectmayhem: yah, and bittorrenting the deb file jhurts
[06:21] <Pizbit> projectmayhem: Hoary is hardly unstable this far away from the release:)
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> wow - even slackware dropped gnome.
[06:22] <projectmayhem> eclipse hm... tough to say then. i've not much experience with gnome
[06:22] <projectmayhem> eclipse and i've never had to refresh it
[06:22] <Pizbit> LeeJunFan: Woa, people pay attention to slackware?
[06:22] <kyouens> i'm using the hoary devel version and for the most part, it's very stable.
[06:22] <eclipse> alright
[06:22] <projectmayhem> pizbit yeah distrowatch
[06:22] <kyouens> however, the multimedia sucks I must say
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/28/009237&from=rss
[06:22] <yoko-omo> I can play WoW on my linux machine
[06:22] <eclipse> projectmayhem, maybe u don't download as much as me
[06:23] <Pizbit> kyouens: You've read this right? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:23] <geneo93> x-window-system-core has a problem it the colperate that slows everything down
[06:23] <kyouens> yes Pizbit....I am just bitter because my DVD drive won't work after much jacking with it
[06:23] <eclipse> projectmayhem, also it's fine if u just create a file or folder on the desktop and it will appear on it right away with no problems
[06:23] <Pizbit> kyouens: Mine worked more or less out of the box(had to get the dvd packges of course)
[06:23] <eclipse> anyone tried xfce?
[06:24] <projectmayhem> eclipse no i don't download a whole lot.... other than.. umm. totally legal stuff on limewire
[06:24] <Pizbit> eclipse: Yeah, it sucks, it's like gnome without the good things
[06:24] <projectmayhem> eclipse what does it do?
[06:24] <kyouens> Pizbit--I am using a Dell D610 and the Hoary Devel Release (because none of the other releases, including hoary preview, recognized my cd drive at all on install)
[06:24] <^thehatsrule^> xfce is alright... its lighter
[06:24] <kyouens> pizbit:  Everything else works great pretty much.
[06:24] <projectmayhem> oh is it a desktop environment?
[06:24] <^thehatsrule^> yes... it is
[06:25] <kyouens> xfce is very nice
[06:25] <eclipse> xfce is a desktop environment much like gnome or kde
[06:25] <projectmayhem> didn't know
[06:25] <kyouens> I've used it for years when I was using fedora
[06:25] <sysrq> I use gnome with openbox
[06:26] <randabis_> kde 3.4 here
[06:26] <Pizbit> kyouens: These are all the dvd packages I have installed: http://pastebin.ca/8340
[06:26] <eclipse> anyone knows which DE is the fastest with lots of features?
[06:26] <Tekmaven> how can I always set an env variable?
[06:26] <randabis_> gnome and xfce both have their merits, but the new kde is awesome
[06:27] <kyouens> pizbit, thanks a lot, I'm looking at it
[06:27] <Bukkake> I tried running xfce on this 266 mhz machine.. quite frankly, it isn't so lighter than GNOME . . . I don't know why everyone says that, but I don't think it's lighter than GNOME :x
[06:27] <Tekmaven> desktops will always be debated ;-)
[06:27] <Tekmaven> its MUCH lighter then gnome Bukkake ;-)
[06:27] <Tekmaven> but it relies on GTK2 which isn't *that* light
[06:27] <randabis_> the memory footprint of xfce is much smaller than gnome
[06:27] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:27] <Tekmaven> anyways
[06:28] <roo9> hi, i just upgraded to hoary from warthog and now my NDISWrapper-based Wlan card no longer works, any ideas on what to check?
[06:28] <Tekmaven> i wanna set an env variable ALWAYS
[06:28] <Pizbit> Tekmaven: Well, most of the people enable gnome/kde services as well...
[06:28] <mhz> fluxbox is lighter, a lot!
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> i concur
[06:28] <Bukkake> Didn't seem that lighter to me . . . FluxBox seemed definately seemed to be the lightest . . . but I stuck with GNOME 'cuz I had some problems with Fluxbox (probably installed it incorrectly, I'm a nub, so I didn't bother do too much)
[06:28] <Tekmaven> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib64:/usr/local/lib
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> but now it sounds DE war like :P
[06:28] <Tekmaven> how can i set that to always?
[06:28] <randabis_> roo9, it doesn't work because when you upgrade to hoary, you also upgrade the kernel...you'll need to reinstall your ndiswrapper drivers
[06:29] <Tekmaven> is that .bashrc?
[06:29] <randabis_> sure fluxbox is lighter...all it is is a window manager
[06:29] <randabis_> gnome, kde, and xfce are full blown desktop environments
[06:29] <Bukkake> well said :D
[06:30] <Bukkake> randabis_, you use xfce on your laptop and gnome on your desktop, which I think you're using now?
[06:30] <Tekmaven> randabis_: i disagree
[06:30] <Tekmaven> i dont think xfce is really a full desktop environment yet
[06:30] <Tekmaven> it doesnt even have a desktop :-P
[06:31] <roo9> randabis_: i thought it might have upgraded the kernel, but i only have one version present in /lib/modules, so are you sure the kernel is upgraded? what version does hoary upgrade to?
[06:31] <randabis_> Bukkake, I'm using kde on my desktop now actually
[06:31] <projectmayhem> kde=sweet
[06:31] <projectmayhem> hehe peace all
[06:31] <Bukkake> randabis_, recently changed?
[06:31] <Tekmaven> i used to love KDE
[06:31] <Tekmaven> but since I've installed Ubuntu, i'm a Gnome convert
[06:31] <randabis_> Tekmaven, it's more of a desktop environment than fluxbox ever will be
[06:31] <Tekmaven> gnome is so much more ellegant
[06:31] <eclipse> also does gnome have a feature like windows when some IM you the taskbar window flashes?
[06:31] <randabis_> Bukkake, yes, kde 3.4 converted me...it's awesome
[06:32] <Bukkake> randabis_: You're making me think on changing too . . . :o
[06:32] <sysrq> fluxbox isn't a DE it's only a WM, however you can use it instead of metacity in gnome
[06:32] <Tekmaven> Gnome 2.10 = nice
[06:32] <^thehatsrule^> ive stuck with fluxbox :)
[06:32] <randabis_> http://img145.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img145&image=snapshot36zn.jpg
[06:32] <randabis_> took that yesterday
[06:33] <Bukkake> But me being the nub, let's go deeper in this, what is in a desktop (kde, gnome) that a window manager isn't(fluxbox)?
[06:33] <Dreamer3> Tekmaven: nicer than 2.8?
[06:34] <^thehatsrule^> uhhh.. some apps require kde/gnome-base
[06:34] <randabis_> Bukkake, programs like kde control center, the network setup gui tools, etc...the suite of programs that comes with a desktop environment is what distinguishes it from a window manager
[06:34] <^thehatsrule^> while fluxbox is just a shell
[06:34] <roo9> randabis_: it seems, or so dpkg -S tells me, that the NDISWrapper kernel module comes with linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>... so...
[06:34] <randabis_> roo9, hoary uses 2.6.10
[06:34] <^thehatsrule^> randabis_: what sf series is that?
[06:35] <randabis_> ^thehatsrule^, I don't know
[06:35] <^thehatsrule^> aw, you dont actually play? ;p
[06:35] <Roey> Bukkake:  ioslaves for one thing
[06:35] <Tekmaven> randabis_: you know whats funny
[06:35] <Roey> Bukkake:  consistent printing architecture
[06:36] <Tekmaven> gaim is a gnome package :-P
[06:36] <Roey> Tekmaven:  gnome people like to claim gtk apps as their own
[06:36] <Roey> Tekmaven:  gaim, gimp, firefox, xchat..
[06:36] <Tekmaven> gaim is verymuch so deved with gnome in mind
[06:36] <Tekmaven> ;-)
[06:36] <Roey> Tekmaven:  (abiword)
[06:36] <randabis_> Tekmaven, what?
[06:36] <^thehatsrule^> i love street fighter... just havent seen that game before
[06:37] <randabis_> ^thehatsrule^, I don't even remember where I got that picture
[06:37] <Roey> randabis_:  couldja put it up somewhere?
[06:37] <^thehatsrule^> hehe, ok ;p
[06:37] <Roey> randabis_:  on 4chan maybe?
[06:37] <calc> Roey: gnome people do? or gnome users? ;)
[06:37] <Tekmaven> gnome is very ellegant, thats all i need to say
[06:37] <Tekmaven> i'm running Ubuntu PPC
[06:37] <Tekmaven> and i like gnome better then OS X
[06:38] <Roey> calc:  Those Who Market Gnome
[06:39] <zelas_metallium> Is there a way to have different wallpapers for each desktop?
[06:39] <randabis> personally, in linux the full mozilla suite loads pages faster than firefox, so I use it
[06:39] <calc> Roey: hmm i don't think the official marketers of gnome consider those apps to be part of gnome ;)
[06:39] <randabis> especially the new 1.7.6
[06:39] <geneo93> randabis:  i agree
[06:39] <calc> just like some people might say konversation is part of kde (wasn't last i checked anyway)
[06:40] <Bukkake> mm, I always thought mozilla suite to be a lot heavier and slower than firefox
[06:40] <calc> or k3b
[06:40] <zelas_metallium> specifically, under gnome
[06:40] <Roey> calc:  er.. so epiphany is still gnome's own browser?
[06:40] <Pizbit> Abiword is part of the gnome-office package
[06:40] <calc> Roey: yes
[06:40] <Roey> calc:  gnome-enabled xchat? gnome-enabled gaim?
[06:40] <Roey> ha, ha ha.
[06:41] <calc> Roey: last i read (a few months ago) they are intending to fix the issues with it so it can replace ff
[06:41] <Roey> ff?
[06:41] <Pizbit> Firefox
[06:41] <calc> Roey: there is work on writing a hig compliant IM to replace gaim as well
[06:41] <calc> not sure about xchat
[06:42] <Roey> calc:  I see a lot of potential in a GTK desktop ;)
[06:42] <calc> from what i have read gaim is definitely not considered a gnome project in that they won't even accept integration work for other gnome things
[06:42] <Roey> calc:  abiword, gimp, gaim, xchat
[06:42] <randabis> Bukkake, on windows machines that seems to be true for me, but I don't know what it is about linux firefox builds...they are always slower for me than mozilla suite
[06:42] <calc> Roey: why not oo.o 2.0
[06:42] <Bukkake> I've only used it on windows . . . mmhmm, I'll be sure to try it then
[06:43] <Roey> calc:  my point is this:  it seems to me that the GNOME zealots are eagerly claiming ownership of things which are not technically under the GNOME umbrella
[06:43] <Pizbit> calc: There's the gnome-office setup, abiword, die, gimp, gnumeric, planner and inkscape | sodipodi
[06:43] <Roey> calc:  that's like saying qt designer is part of kde.
[06:43] <Roey> Pizbit:  gnumeric I can understand being a gnome app; it was likethat from the start
[06:43] <calc> Roey: well in your gtk desktop oo.o would be better than abiword
[06:44] <Roey> Pizbit:  but gimp, abiword and inkscape are relatively independent GTK projects.
[06:44] <Roey> calc:  ah :)
[06:44] <geneo93> calc:  to much bloat
[06:44] <Roey> calc:  see, KDE has all these things written /for/ kde from the start.
[06:44] <Roey> but that's no important
[06:44] <calc> to be part of gnome you 1. have to want to be 2. be hig compliant and etc
[06:44] <geneo93> koffice
[06:44] <Roey> important thing for gnome is to see development of more *native* gnome apps
[06:44] <calc> kde has no ui standardization
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  does it need one?
[06:45] <calc> so anything written for qt/kdelibs is considered part of kde more or less
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  (I wasn't meaning to get into a comparison duel)
[06:45] <calc> though technically even koffice is not part of kde
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  kdelibs!
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  qt is different
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  kdelibs is kde...
[06:45] <calc> only the things in the official kde releases are part of kde
[06:45] <Roey> calc:  things written for kdelibs are kde apps
[06:45] <regeya> naughty naughty
[06:45] <calc> Roey: er that is what i just said :)
[06:45] <regeya> okay, okaay, I for one promise to shut up about gnome in #kubuntu
[06:46] <Roey> calc:  ok then, we're in agreement
[06:46] <e_machinist> heh, regeya, you a gnome fan or a kde fan?
[06:46] <Roey> heh
[06:47] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Does one have to be one or the other?
[06:47] <regeya> fan of both, but nowadays more of a kde fan
[06:47] <Pizbit> KDE people go #kubuntu, gnome people stay, everyone else, enjoy your indentity crisis! :D
[06:47] <calc> heh
[06:47] <e_machinist> Vjaz. Nope. Either is good.
[06:47] <Roey> calc:  how about bukkaKe for a kde app name?
[06:47] <calc> Roey: heh
[06:47] <e_machinist> But it is kinda hard to use both interchangably all the time.
[06:48] <luckymarciano> lol
[06:48] <calc> Roey: thats even worse than PAN ;)
[06:48] <Pizbit> e_machinist: Welll...
[06:48] <regeya> seppiKu
[06:48] <dex1> hi can anyone see this? (I may be having connection probs so I need to check)
[06:48] <tritium> hello dex1, yes
[06:48] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Not everybody likes either of them. And even if they do, they still might not be "fans".
[06:48] <randabis> KDE fans are more than welcome here...this is a general ubuntu support channel afterall
[06:48] <geneo93> dex1:  yes
[06:48] <Pizbit> dex1: I seeeeeeeeeeee youuuu! And yes you should be worried.
[06:48] <dex1> trit: thank you
[06:48] <Roey> calc:  Kumshot :P
[06:48] <calc> ah i found it... gossip
[06:48] <e_machinist> dex1: can see you.
[06:48] <Bukkake> randabis, are you in the official support team of ubuntu or something?
[06:49] <regeya> who would have ever known that someone beefing up kde support in ubuntu would drive people to be slavering a-holes
[06:49] <dex1> I must've been ignored in the other distro room. :D
[06:49] <Pizbit> randabis: Just injecting some humour:)
[06:49] <randabis> Bukkake, no,I don't think such a team actually exists
[06:49] <Bukkake> randabis: Are you an OP? :)
[06:49] <dex1> I have a compatibility question
[06:49] <e_machinist> It is nice that there are two, gnome and kde, large, very competitive projects... I for one hope there will be only one some day though.
[06:49] <zelas_metallium> Is there a way to have different wallpapers for each desktop under gnome?
[06:49] <Pizbit> e_machinist: There never will be, rest assured.
[06:49] <randabis> No...I am just a lowly user
[06:50] <Bukkake> Well, back at this then . . . how exactly should a nub, such as I, come to decide? The applications that come along the two desktops?
[06:50] <e_machinist> Pizbit: True... but hope is hope.
[06:50] <calc> zelas_metallium: i don't think so, i tried looking for that a while back
[06:50] <zelas_metallium> calc, ok, thanks.
[06:50] <regeya> e_machinist: never.  gnome is aimed at the "average user" and kde is aimed at users. ;-)  gnome is better for grandma and people who desire a simple interface, and kde is for weirdos like me. ;-)
[06:50] <Vjaz> Pizbit: Never say never!
[06:50] <e_machinist> Bukkake, they both basically provide the same functionality. KDE is somewhat more similar to the standard Windows GUI... Gnome is slightly different in its current state.
[06:51] <Pizbit> Vjaz: Pfft:)
[06:51] <randabis> Bukkake, best way is to just try both for a while and decide what you like best (xfce is also a good choice too)...For the most part you can mix and match gtk and qt apps without harm anyway
[06:51] <geneo93> Bukkake:  simple get both and decide for yourseelf
[06:51] <Pizbit> Vjaz: I just need to point out vi[m] /emacs :D
[06:51] <e_machinist> Meh... KDE is simple as well.
[06:51] <calc> gnome is more leaning towards macos classic
[06:51] <Pizbit> e_machinist: It is?:) Ever tried going through all of kcontrol making sure everything was tweaked?:) It takes a *really* long time.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> its fun to try them all out. :P
[06:52] <e_machinist> Either way you are in for a full featured desktop.
[06:52] <randabis> I don't really find KDE's UI similar to Windows
[06:52] <Vjaz> Pizbit: those editors differ more from each other conceptually than GNOME and KDE
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> randabis,  me either.. its much better.
[06:52] <calc> randabis: think winxp luna gone horribly awry ;)
[06:52] <Pizbit> Vjaz: That's irrelevent
[06:52] <Vjaz> Pizbit: First of all, Emacs is an operating system. :-P
[06:52] <randabis> luna = fisher price OS
[06:52] <e_machinist> Pizbit, I have spent quite some time doing things in KDE as well as gnome.
[06:52] <Dreamer3_> ok, are there other tiny distros, or DSL is about the best? (sorry if anyone replied before i missed it)  maybe something based off xfce?
[06:52] <e_machinist> I don't prefer one over the other.
[06:52] <dex1> I had a horrendous experience with trying to install Ubuntu on an older machine the last few days; despite some assistance from crimsun via here it came to nothing and just wouldn't work on that PC. So.... I instead I tried something on this new Win XP PC. Dual-boot was out due to risk of losing stuff so installed VMWare 4.5. I then installed fedora core 3 over it (only other distro from cover CD I had) and it didn't get past post-install reboot really. Que
[06:52] <Vjaz> Luna is quite ugly. Silver is ok though.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I sort of like WindowMaker.
[06:52] <calc> kde keramik + crystal icons == fisher price   as well
[06:52] <regeya> really, it takes a long time to change settings in kcontrol?
[06:52] <e_machinist> KDE could use some polish though.
[06:53] <regeya> I forgot to get the memo. ;-)
[06:53] <Vjaz> Pizbit: I don't think it's irrelevant.
[06:53] <Bukkake> gnome seems to be a bit more of a eye candy than KDE (but after viewing randabis' ss, KDE looks kinda more pleasent that I had previously thought) simply that I had heard some more helpful compiling and programming tools come with KDE
[06:53] <regeya> Dr_Willis: with modern drag-and-drop support I'd be using windowmaker right now
[06:53] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: you using gnome 2.10? is it better than 2.8?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> regeya,  to be honest.. i rarely if EVER use any drag/drop stuff
[06:54] <e_machinist> Pizbit, I agree. KDE is definitely the Kluttered Desktop Environment. :)
[06:54] <randabis> KDE actually has more eye candy effects I believe
[06:54] <regeya> I didn't until I got a job using Macs. ;-)
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> regeya,  actually with fluxbox/blackbox - i think they can sort of do that. :P
[06:54] <Pizbit> Vjaz: It's entirely irrevelent, I was pointing out that bewteen two warring fractions there wont be a totally dominant outcome for either
[06:54] <dex1> What the heck, I'll try it.
[06:54] <randabis> I don't find KDE cluttered...I don't see where all this clutter is people speak of...at least not with 3.4
[06:54] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: *shrug* Not that many differences on the surface really
[06:54] <tritium> dex1, try what?
[06:54] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: is it fasteR?
[06:54] <Pizbit> Yeah
[06:55] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: ah, great
[06:55] <e_machinist> Luckily either one is a valid choice for the mainstream Linux User. Either way you go you will be in for a nice experience.
[06:55] <Dreamer3_> Pizbit: i think i'll be upgraded before may :)
[06:55] <dex1> tritium: Ubuntu under VMWare (on a Win XP machine)
[06:55] <Pizbit> Dreamer3_: Hehe:)
[06:55] <regeya> randabis: compared to a default GNOME desktop, it's cluttered, I guess. *shrug*  on my last bout with GNOME, I spent as much time setting up GNOME as I wanted it as I spent this time setting up KDE as I wanted it. ;-)
[06:55] <tritium> dex1, go for it :)
[06:55] <geneo93> yeah i have nothing on my desktop but two chat windows
[06:55] <MatthewJohn> for moives, the icon it makes, is there a way to make it a different frame? (without taking a screenshot and making a new icon)
[06:56] <calc> randabis: kubuntu's 3.4 is not what normal 3.4 looks like, and prior to 3.4 it looked worse since it used keramik as well
[06:56] <Roey> calc:  do you see keyboard layouts in Kubuntu packages at all?
[06:56] <Dreamer3_> hmmm, what themse does 3.4 use?
[06:56] <Pizbit> MatthewJohn: Delete the thumbnail in ~/.thumbnails/normal and hope it'll re-create on a different frame?
[06:56] <calc> Roey: haven't install kubuntu yet
[06:56] <chavo> keramik is the ugliest theme everr.
[06:56] <randabis> calc, yeah I know...kubuntu does kde right
[06:56] <regeya> someone should hax0r a way of making KDE a bit more GNOME HIG compliant, IMHO, because I'll agree with some of their decisions
[06:56] <MatthewJohn> Pizbit: ok, i didnt know it just used random frames
[06:56] <Roey> calc:  I don't see any listed in the keyboard layout configuration panel
[06:56] <regeya> chavo: default KDE theme is plastik.
[06:56] <chavo> KDE 3.4 uses platik by default.
[06:56] <randabis> I'll give you that...default kde is a bit cluttered
[06:56] <Dreamer3_> i read the Gnome HIG once, I was impressed
[06:56] <Vjaz> Pizbit: They aren't in "war" in my opinion if that's what you meant (sorry, never heard of "warring"). And now that there's a whole lot of collaboration through freedesktop.org, I think at one point we may reach a point where all KDE programs fit in GNOME nicely and vice versa. At that point, the choice of KDE or GNOME becomes largely irrelevant.
[06:56] <randabis> kubuntu's kde rocks though
[06:57] <Pizbit> MatthewJohn: Probably something to fo with key frames *shrug* ask totem-video-thumbnailer
[06:57] <regeya> things like menu items being a bit close together in most themes, that sort of thing.
[06:57] <geneo93> http://rox.sf.net  try this its even better
[06:57] <e_machinist> Luckily the choice is already somewhat irrelevant. Tons of apps work irregardless of the desktop preference.
[06:57] <randabis> I don't like rox filer
[06:58] <Pizbit> Vjaz: You have two factions, they will never become one, they might share some things, but there will never be one.
[06:58] <Dreamer3_> kde apps were always SUPER slow to load in gnome in the past
[06:58] <regeya> rox concept is awesome, the filemanager sucks.
[06:58] <bje> hi folks. I'm trying to get a persistent home directory working with Warty.  Is there a catch?  What does home=scan look for, exactly?
[06:58] <Pizbit> bje: Care to run that by us again with different words and perhaps some more information?
[06:59] <crimsun> GhostFaceKilla: fixed & uploaded.  New packages should be available in 65 minutes.  Thanks for reporting.
[06:59] <bje> I have a loopback ext3 fs on a VFAT USB thumb drive (called `ubuntu.img') that I am trying to use as a persistent home directory.  When I boot with the appropriate GRUB menu option, Ubuntu does not mount it.
[07:00] <regeya> bje: are you using a livecd?
[07:00] <Vjaz> Pizbit: Ok, maybe they won't merge, but the way I see it, the biggest distros will only support one in the end.
[07:00] <bje> regeya: Sorry, yes.
[07:00] <geneo93> crimsun:  did you know about x-window-server slowing things down
[07:00] <regeya> wow, dunno.
[07:00] <bje> I'm trying to work out what home=scan means, exactly.
[07:01] <e_machinist> oh hey, quick q. Ubuntu always says that there is a problem with my "Locales"... anyone know exactly how to fix this?
[07:01] <geneo93> crimsun:  sorry x-window-system-core
[07:01] <crimsun> geneo93: x-window-system-core is a metapackage, it doesn't actually contain any binaries
[07:01] <bje> pizbit: Is that description better?
[07:02] <Pizbit> bje: Well, it's still all over the place:P
[07:02] <geneo93> but if you install it it slows things way down
[07:02] <bje> pizbit: I simply want a persistent home directory that survives reboots when using the live CD.
[07:03] <Bukkake> Vjaz: There's more than one big distro
[07:03] <tritium> geneo93, slows what down?
[07:03] <bje> pizbit: I followed some directions in a wiki to make a loopback ext3 fs on my USB thumb drive.  Now I'm trying to convince the live CD to mount it at boot time.
[07:03] <crimsun> geneo93: that doesn't make any sense, since it doesn't actually execute anything...
[07:03] <Vjaz> Bukkake: Yes?
[07:03] <bje> and, sure enough, there is _0_ documentation about it
[07:03] <airmikey> anyone here switch over from fedora
[07:03] <geneo93> everything
 Pizbit: Ok, maybe they won't merge, but the way I see it, the biggest distros will only support one in the end.  <-- I was just replying to that, but I'm a nub, so I'll sit down for now
[07:04] <geneo93> gnome and kde both
[07:04] <dex1> Question: Warty uses a 2.6.x kernel right? I need to know for installing
[07:04] <tritium> dex1, yes, 2.6.8
[07:04] <dex1> merci
[07:04] <Vjaz> Bukkake: Yes, I said "biggest distros".
[07:05] <e_machinist> Largest.
[07:05] <e_machinist> heh.
[07:05] <Pizbit> Bukkake: The trailing 's' means it's plural.
[07:05] <Bukkake> "biggest distro_s_"
[07:05] <airmikey> can i dual boot ubuntu with a different linux
[07:05] <geneo93> mandrake 10.2 is looking pretty good
[07:06] <sabmoc> Who is merging?
[07:06] <crimsun> airmikey: yep.
[07:06] <Vjaz> Yes. What I mean was that the big mainstream distros probably will only support one desktop environment in the end.
[07:06] <airmikey> hmm
[07:06] <sabmoc> Vjaz, I think thats pretty unlikely
[07:06] <Vjaz> Why do you think so?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> the idea of "support" is often a vague term anyway :P
[07:06] <Bukkake> I don't know . . . I see almost equivalent amount of people liking both . . .
[07:06] <sabmoc> Vjaz, momentum
[07:06] <e_machinist> Vjaz, maybe not... but it would be nice if one day one desktop became a clear leader.
[07:06] <geneo93> Vjaz:  choice is linux
[07:07] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Yes, that's what I mean.
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> Support Yourself - :P
[07:07] <Vjaz> e_machinist: Exactly my point.
[07:07] <roo9> hi, when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" i get a "FATAL Error: Operation Not Permitted"
[07:07] <geneo93> roo9:  sudo
[07:07] <Bukkake> I think I'll end the night for now and get some sleep . . . good night all
[07:07] <Roey> gnight
[07:08] <roo9> geneo93: i am roo
[07:08] <roo9> geneo93: i am root
[07:08] <sabmoc> Vjaz, both userlinux and ubuntu tired to make GNOME only desktops, both chose to support kde eventually because of users requests. Look at Suse, its a kde desktop, but they also support GNOME because of user requests. Momentum. But choice is a good thing.
[07:08] <sabmoc> GNOME would not be as good if there was no KDE to compete with, and vice versa.
[07:08] <difekta> lol
[07:08] <sabmoc> competition is good
[07:08] <roo9> this is true, compettion fuels advancement
[07:08] <difekta> i was just in kubuntu talking about how i think kde sucks.
[07:08] <Pizbit> sabmoc: Well, there's windows to compete with too.
[07:08] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Yes, but GNU/Linux is not big enough yet.
[07:08] <difekta> and i was about to ask, is gnome dying?
[07:08] <e_machinist> hey I'm having a problem with locales. here is the error. Sound familiar to anyone?
[07:08] <e_machinist> "Cannot open locale definition file".
[07:08] <difekta> gnome seems so much more elegant and user-friendly.
[07:09] <Vjaz> sabmoc: When I say something "will" happen, I am referring to the future of course. :-P
[07:09] <sabmoc> Pizbit, but windows doesnt run on linux, oh wait...
[07:09] <radio> I'm completely new to unix and am trying to compile something. I've just installed ubuntu and I was thinking it would have a built in compiler. What do I have to do to get the gcc command line?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> difekta,  in some ways.. in some ways its not. :P
[07:09] <e_machinist> cannot set "LC_CTYPE"
[07:09] <e_machinist> cannot set LC_LANGUAGES
[07:09] <e_machinist> cannot set LC_ALL
[07:09] <difekta> are you trying to create a utf8 locale?
[07:09] <difekta> er..set a utf-8 locale.
[07:09] <sabmoc> Vjaz, but open souce only improves, its not like windows that must tear everything down every 4 years and build again just so they can sell more product.
[07:09] <difekta> you might need to create it from the default locale.
[07:10] <Pizbit> radio: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:10] <difekta> i wonder whether longhorn might actually be the first decent os from m$
[07:10] <e_machinist> difekta, I'm upgrading stuff through synaptic, and when it goes to install the changes it reports this.
[07:10] <difekta> probably not.  they're just going to keep building upon legacy stuff right?  it's not a re-write.
[07:10] <sabmoc> Vjaz, gnome and kde have both been around for years and years and years, and will continue to be around for years and years and years.. this is a godo thing.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what Fiasco we will have when MS releases their 64bit version....
[07:10] <geneo93> difekta:  dont hold your breath
[07:10] <e_machinist> Also, when I boot up Ubuntu, it says this during the boot up process.
[07:10] <sabmoc> good* thing
[07:11] <difekta> i am thinking about ditching m$ for good.  even when i buy a new computer and start doing recording in a couple of months for my band, i think the stuff available for linux is mature enough now.
[07:11] <sabmoc> Dr_Willis, I thought they already did release a few 64bit versions
[07:11] <airmikey> seems like people dont mind helping u here
[07:11] <airmikey> thats cool
[07:11] <dex1> sabmoc: Arguable, the Ubuntu FAQ page I was jut looking at comments on dumping XFree86 in favour of X.org say.
[07:12] <randabis> difekta, if you're buying a computer for recording, I think you'd be better off with a mac
[07:12] <geneo93> 64 bit patches is all
[07:12] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Big changes aren't unheard of in the free software world.
[07:12] <jroes> just curious
[07:12] <chavo> difekta, what kib of band are you in?
[07:12] <difekta> but macs are expensive, and i don't want to have to use a kvm.
[07:12] <e_machinist> It says, "Please check that your locale settings are supported and installed on your system".
[07:12] <difekta> brokenladder.com
[07:12] <randabis> macintosh's garage band application is excellent
[07:12] <difekta> chavo just check that out.
[07:12] <difekta> ack.
[07:12] <difekta> it's so simplified.
[07:12] <jroes> anyone else get "k8-powernow: failing targ; change pending bit set" errors a bunch?
[07:12] <chavo> difekta, http://2sdw.com
[07:12] <e_machinist> ANyone know of an app or utility to run that I can fix these locale problems?
[07:12] <chavo> that's my band
[07:12] <difekta> i need something professional like pro tools.
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> sabmoc,  i got the beta - :P and from what i hear.... its hard getting drivers for stuff.
[07:12] <sabmoc> dex1, that would have never happened if some people at xfree didnt start playing "musical license" ..but what happened is all their good devs moved to x.org so all the distros switched as well.
[07:12] <Vjaz> sabmoc: If the projects only cared about themselves, freedesktop.org wouldn't exist.
[07:12] <airmikey> anyone here in 64bit mode
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> sabmoc,  been useing linux so much - aint even tried it.
[07:13] <randabis> pro tools is available for mac I believe...I think it was originally for mac in fact
[07:13] <jroes> airmikey: yup
[07:13] <randabis> you won't find pro tools on linux at any rate
[07:13] <randabis> closest thing is probably audour
[07:13] <sabmoc> Vjaz, oh yeah, Im not saying projects only care about themselves or that big changes dont happen
[07:13] <difekta> chavo that's funny.
[07:13] <difekta> ardour is supposedly very good.
[07:14] <airmikey> jroes:how is it
[07:14] <difekta> there are a few good apps for linux.
[07:14] <difekta> audacity.
[07:14] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Freedesktop.org craves for interoperability between desktop environments. When they are completely interoperable, the projects have reached a new kind of situation. Improvement in that situation could mean a merger.
[07:14] <sabmoc> Vjaz, gnome1.4 to gnome2 was a big change
[07:14] <jroes> airmikey: I'm not sure, it seemed okay until I kept getting some k8-powernow error
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> yea - gnome2 was a HUGE change.. and got a lot of people very mad.
[07:14] <randabis> ardour is a full audio workstation
[07:14] <dex1> sabmoc: the xfree software set is itself problematic though. basing that on the fact it didn't support the s3 gfx card in the old pc I tried to use warty on of course :)
[07:14] <jroes> google has like 4 results, and all 4 are from mailing list postings of the source
[07:14] <airmikey> oh no
[07:14] <randabis> audacity is great, I agree
[07:14] <airmikey> hmm
[07:15] <sabmoc> Vjaz, interoperation does not mean they are converging
[07:15] <sabmoc> if anything they are diverging
[07:15] <airmikey> what motherboard u running with the chip
[07:15] <dex1> jroes: try feedster.com to searhc through blogs too? and search function on ubuntuforums.org? I'm new to it myself so can't help directly sorry
[07:15] <Vjaz> sabmoc: And I'm not saying this will happen in the next year, or the next ten years. It could take a long long time, but given that the projects don't really have to care about their own ass all that much, I just can't see a situation where two projects that are conceptually so similiar coexist in the free software world.
[07:15] <jroes> airmikey: MSI k8mm-ilsr
[07:16] <jroes> dex1: thanks dex, good idea, I'll check it out
[07:16] <sabmoc> Vjaz, do you have any idea how many text editors Linux has?
[07:16] <Vjaz> sabmoc: I mean really, can you name a big conceptual difference between Gnome and KDE?
[07:16] <sabmoc> Vjaz, sure, the HIG
[07:17] <sabmoc> Vjaz, GNOME philosophy is that any given program should have very few options and just rely on good defaults for the rest. KDE just simply doent understand that.
[07:18] <barbari> Hi, how i can find beep-media-player for ubuntu  ?
[07:18] <PacoBCN> barbari
[07:18] <PacoBCN> it's in the repos
[07:18] <randabis> apt-cache search beep-media-player
[07:18] <Pizbit> barbari: It's in universe
[07:18] <sabmoc> Vjaz, GNOME is a lot more like a MAC because of that, and KDE is more like windows.. KDE has lots of options for everything, GNOME just uses resonable defaults.
[07:18] <Vjaz> sabmoc: I notice that you say "KDE doesn't understand that", meaning basically that the conceptual difference here is that Gnome has a concept and KDE doesn't?
[07:18] <Pizbit> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to enable universe
[07:18] <DazeD||laptop> whats the apt-get command to install already downloaded packages?
[07:19] <barbari> root@ubuntu:/home/barbari # apt-cache search beep-media-player
[07:19] <barbari> root@ubuntu:/home/barbari #
[07:19] <tritium> barbari, that's because you don't have universe included
[07:19] <sabmoc> Vjaz, no, the difference is that KDE prefers its style, and GNOME prefers its style. They have different styles.
[07:19] <tritium> DazeD||laptop, apt-get install --reinstall
[07:19] <DazeD||laptop> thank you much tritium brb
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: In KDE, surely the "sensible defaults" are included, right?
[07:20] <dex1> make sure you're online.
[07:20] <Roey> sabmoc:  I'd prefer things that Work Like Clockwork to smelly feet any day
[07:20] <sabmoc> Roey, lol
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Why couldn't this be an option? "Show advanced options" or something?
[07:20] <barbari> tritium: what the universal mirror ?
[07:20] <sabmoc> Vjaz, I dont know, ask them :)
[07:20] <Pizbit> tritium: It is possible they meant packages they had downloaded via means other than apt
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Why does it need another desktop environment?
[07:20] <Vjaz> sabmoc: Yeah, well my point is that at some point they will realise this.
[07:20] <Pizbit> barbari: Please read what people say: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats tells you how to enable universe
[07:20] <tritium> Pizbit, he wasn't clear on that
[07:20] <Roey> sabmoc:  at least, the kde gears give me the impression that it works like clockwork
[07:21] <Pizbit> tritium: So ask:)
[07:21] <tritium> Pizbit, most likely, he meant already installed
[07:21] <Pizbit> Roey: You realise that's really weak right?:D
[07:21] <sabmoc> Roey, I think you have the wrong impression.
[07:21] <Vjaz> sabmoc: I really don't think the KDE style is that different from the Gnome style as to make two different desktop environments worth it.
[07:21] <Roey> Pizbit:  how so?
[07:22] <Roey> Pizbit, sabmoc:  the gears remind me of clocks
[07:22] <sabmoc> Roey, the gears are ment to symbolize your brain being mushed into paste by the horrible defaults. Just ask any KDE dev. :D
[07:22] <Pizbit> Roey: It's like the saying "You can't just a book by it's cover."
[07:22] <Roey> Pizbit:  what makes that weak? I didn't know if it's strong or weak or anything...
[07:22] <geneo93> what gears
[07:22] <tritium> join #offtopic
[07:22] <Roey> sabmoc:  ahhahaha :)
[07:22] <Pizbit> sabmoc: Probably true, hold on I'll ask
[07:22] <Roey> Pizbit:  oh, the comment about preferring clockwork to stinky feet?
[07:23] <Vjaz> I think the Kubuntu logo is creepy. They replaced the three people in the logo with gears. :-P
[07:23] <billytwowilly> damn. The gnome guys should hire the xfce guys to write their code.
[07:23] <Roey> Pizbit:  say what you will, but I personally (and this is a value judgement) view this 'evolution'/DNA/gnome foot/bonobo/monkey nomenclature in a condescending light
[07:24] <Vjaz> It's like they're some robot drones or something. Uh... holding hands...
[07:24] <billytwowilly> Vjaz: http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/kubuntulove.png
[07:24] <Roey> Pizbit:  as if they're telling me I was stupid to have been using windows
[07:24] <Roey> Pizbit:  and that I 'evolve' by using gnome.
[07:24] <Vjaz> haha, ok
[07:24] <sabmoc> Roey, but what is wrong with "monkey foot dna"?
[07:24] <billytwowilly> Vjaz: my art skills are teh bomb;)
[07:24] <Roey> sabmoc:  it's the whole nomenclature
[07:25] <Roey> sabmoc: like what I said above;
[07:25] <barbari> how i can start command to start "Scroll Lock" For one sec ?
[07:26] <Roey> sabmoc:  I'm not into being pelted with references suggesting or inviting us to evolve (by virtue of using this software)
[07:26] <sabmoc> Roey, Kou Kreffer Khat Kverything Ks Kamed Ktarting Kith Ka K"K"K?
[07:26] <Pizbit> Roey: Or it could mean that the program evolves to become better and better
[07:26] <Roey> sabmoc:  the K thing is just goofy (koofy) as far as I can tell, but no more than that.
[07:26] <sysrq> or, it's just a damn name
[07:26] <Pizbit> The problem with thinking up what stuff 'symbolises' is that 99% of the time, you get it wrong
[07:27] <Roey> sysrq:  names make an impression.
[07:27] <Pizbit> The other 1% is as sysrq said, it's just a name.
[07:27] <sabmoc> Roey, same with gnomes.. we are not evolving into gnomes
[07:27] <billytwowilly> yah, I don't think we should argue about evolution because I have this huge stick I use to beat common sense into people who don't think evolution happens.
[07:27] <Roey> I didn't say that
[07:27] <sysrq> sure and you can drag onto these extreme and lame lengths if you want, but it's nothing but a waste of everyones time
[07:27] <sabmoc> or monkeys.. that would be de-evolving
[07:27] <Pizbit> On KDE gears "it symbolises the eternal struggle of the cave people trying to make their lives easier by inventing the gear."
[07:27] <Roey> sabmoc:  I didn't say de-evolving
[07:27] <Roey> Pizbit:  oh please
[07:27] <sysrq> windows must imply it opens windows to new worlds!
[07:27] <Roey> Pizbit:   I think my argument was reasonable.
[07:28] <Pizbit> Roey: I asked one of the chaps from #amarok
[07:28] <Roey> sysrq:  you know what? that works
[07:28] <barbari> i want run command to start "Scroll bar" Led for one sec...
[07:28] <billytwowilly> gears are a decent logo.  Look at some names: Firefox, SUN, Windows, Longhorn, GNOME, KDE, Pixar. They are just names.
[07:29] <Pizbit> sabmoc: names/brands
[07:29] <sabmoc> yeah, they are names/brands
[07:30] <Roey> sabmoc:  look at firefox's logo.  It looks cool.  A cute furry fox with fire for a tail.  It's cute.  People like it.
[07:30] <Roey> sabmoc:  nevermind the fact that a "firefox" is actually another name for a red panda
[07:30] <Pizbit> Roey: And it's humping South America (Or was it South Africa?).
[07:30] <Roey> Pizbit:  LOL
[07:30] <sabmoc> Roey, The ultimate test should be use. If IE came out with a great logo it would still be a horrible browser.
[07:30] <caffinated> Roey: it's lucky that people know the name at all.  it only changed 500 times.
[07:30] <Roey> caffinated:  :)
[07:30] <Roey> Pixar is like the word Pixel
[07:31] <Roey> Longhorn...now I don't knwo wtf ms is thinking
[07:31] <sysrq> this is entirely off-topic
[07:31] <Pizbit> caffinated: On firefox name changes (amusing) http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=95
[07:31] <Pizbit> Roey: Someone was trying to make up for something obviously.
[07:32] <calamari> roey: iirc microsoft names its projects after rivers
[07:32] <Roey> calamari:  whistler is a river?
[07:32] <tritium> Whistler is a mountain
[07:32] <Roey> oh, ok.
[07:32] <calamari> ahh mountains then?
[07:32] <Roey> (amd after horses)
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> WHistler is a mother. :P
[07:32] <calamari> like I said.. iirc :)
[07:33] <Roey> =)
[07:33] <Roey> whistler's mother
[07:33] <stuNNed> hmmm
[07:33] <calamari> anyhow... it won't be longhorn.. it'll be some lame thing like windows ultimate 64 or some crap :)
[07:33] <Roey> mozilla->phoenix->firebird->firefox
[07:33] <stuNNed> what .deb contains alsa-driver?
[07:33] <tritium> http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/mountain/index.htm
[07:33] <Roey> and whistler's mother is a painting.
[07:33] <Roey> calamari:  Windows FX I think
[07:33] <tritium> A popular place to ski for people in the Seattle area
[07:33] <calamari> roey: hahaha
[07:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: none. alsa-driver is the name of the source package.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Windows64UnleasedDirectorsCutCollectersGoldEdition
[07:33] <Vjaz> Roey: Firefox was never called Mozilla, really.
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> Windows64UnleasedReloadedDirectorsCutCollectersGoldEdition
[07:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: what specifically are you looking for?
[07:34] <Roey> Vjaz:  oh? ok then
[07:34] <Roey> crimsun:  HI
[07:34] <^thehatsrule^> blackcomb was a project name too i believe
[07:34] <stuNNed> crimsun: driver module
[07:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: try using the alsa-source and alsa-base debs from experimental
[07:34] <Vjaz> Roey: Mozilla is the larger project name, containing Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird, and in the past, the Mozilla Suite, which is being discontinued I htink.
[07:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: I'm using them just fine (1.0.8+1.0.9rc2-1)
[07:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: how can i get experimental?
[07:35] <Vjaz> Roey: Phoenix was written from scratch using the Gecko rendering engine from the Mozilla Suite.
[07:35] <Roey> Vjaz:  that I didn't know
[07:36] <Roey> Vjaz:  so is there still a Mozilla browser?
[07:37] <crimsun> Roey: absolutely
[07:37] <crimsun> Roey: in fact, 1.7.6 was just merged from sid last week
[07:37] <Vjaz> Roey: Yes. But the Mozilla project is leaving it, and it will be officially called the Seamonkey Suite (Seamonkey being the internal project name for the Mozilla Suite in the past)
[07:37] <Vjaz> Or has this changed?
[07:37] <stuNNed> crimsun: ?
[07:38] <geppy> How do I enable mod_rewrite for apache2 on Ubuntu?
[07:38] <geppy> Do I need to recompile it, or is there a package for that?
[07:38] <crimsun> stuNNed: it's fairly complicated (you can't use the debs directly)
[07:38] <caffinated> geppy: check the modules directory.  it may already be included.
[07:39] <caffinated> if it's there, add support via httpd.conf
[07:39] <geppy> caffinated: Thanks! I'll check. =)
[07:39] <stuNNed> crimsun: can i make .debs from alsa-driver package?
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: yes, if you tweak.
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: however, the dependencies are fairly twisted.  I don't recommend it.
[07:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok thanks
[07:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: which contains the .ko file?
[07:40] <stuNNed> crimsun: in regular hoary
[07:40] <crimsun> stuNNed: the alsa-driver deb that you build from alsa-source
[07:41] <crimsun> stuNNed: linux-image contains those
[07:41] <funky> where are setted some environment variables in some scripts ? example $SSHD_OPTIONS in /etc/init.d/ssh
[07:41] <stuNNed> crimsun: k thnx
[07:41] <geppy> caffinated: Gallery2 says " Apache mod_rewrite is not installed or not enabled."
[07:42] <funky> mm, /etc/defaults/ssh
[07:42] <codyman> what ubuntu amd64 repositorie has mplayer?
[07:43] <membreya> codyman: here you go http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/
[07:43] <codyman> thanks
[07:44] <geppy> Can anyone point me to an explanation of the purpose of the different binary directories (/bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin)?
[07:44] <caffinated> geppy: you have to add support cia the confuration files.  the usual place for the modules is /usr/lib/apache2/modults
[07:44] <caffinated> err modules
[07:45] <geppy> caffinated: Thanks!
[07:45] <caffinated> man, i need new fingers
[07:45] <geppy> haha :-)
[07:45] <caffinated> anyhow, check the config files in /etc/apache2
[07:45] <caffinated> you need to add the right loadmodule line, then restart apache
[07:46] <tritium> geppy, you can install and read debian-policy for more info on the filesystem heirarchy
[07:46] <geppy> tritium: Thanks.
[07:46] <tritium> geppy, also: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/
[07:48] <geppy> tritium: Thanks. =)
[07:48] <tritium> no problem :)
[07:48] <llamabutcher> hey guys i am trying to install ndiswrapper to get my belkin wireless card woring