[06:13] <studio-user221> hey i missed the last thing that was said, i posted an image of a bluetooth error, can someone PM me any relevant logs?
[06:13] <studio-user221> my client went down
[06:14] <studio-user221> i pasted this http://i.imgur.com/G2phXAh.png
[07:44] <EleanorEllis> I am trying to setup my gmail account in Evolution but I understand google doesn't support password authentication anymore unless you enable "less secure authentication" in one's gmail account. I thought Gnome Online Accounts would handle this but I don't have this in my control panel. I am using the XFCE desktop environment on UbuntuStudio.
[07:45] <EleanorEllis> I have installed Gnome Online Accounts via Synaptic
[08:13] <oerheks> iirc you find that option in the online account settings page, not in the gnome tool
[08:14] <EleanorEllis> oerheks: I cannot find and online account settings page
[08:15] <oerheks> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en
[08:19] <EleanorEllis> I'm not sure why I disconnected
[08:20] <EleanorEllis> oerheks: I know about allowing less secure apps to connect but I am looking for the secure way to do it using oauth
[08:23] <EleanorEllis> oerheks: Aha! Installing account-plugin-google has installed the other necessary packages for online accounts so now I am being asked to authenticate in a mini browser. This is what I was looking for.
[08:25] <oerheks> oh good find
[08:31] <EleanorEllis> oerheks: Mind you. Evolution is still not finding my gmail account
[08:31] <prologon> 16.04.02 Jack/Musescore stall: after a few hours, cpu load goes up to 100% and system is very very slow. Restart Jack/MuseScore solves problem for a few hours.
[08:40] <EleanorEllis> oerheks: Someone in #evolution has helped me. Thanks for your help as well.
[09:38] <studio-user048> hi
[13:34] <OvenWerk1> prologon: can you use a utility like top to find out if it shows Musescore as using lots of CPU , check also if memory use is going up as well. Jack should be fine, I have been running the same instance of jack of 20 days now.
[14:40] <studio-CrocLeCra> Bonjour à tous
[14:50] <Croc-Le-Crabe> Bonjour
[14:52] <Croc-Le-Crabe> Une question : J'ai changer de version Studio. Comment renvoyer le son de Alsa ZynAddSubFX vers l'onglet Audio de Jack connexion ? Merci.
[16:36] <L00P3X> hello.. i can't understand how to hock zynaddsubfx to my midi uno device.. zyn appears over midi in jack config.. where my midi uno over alsa..
[16:39] <L00P3X> * zyn appears over midi in jack *connections.. and my midi uno device in jack's alsa
[16:40] <OvenWerk1> use a2jmidid
[16:41] <OvenWerk1> a2j_control ehw start
[16:41] <OvenWerk1> Then your hw will appear in jack too
[16:44] <L00P3X> Ovenweks1, hello again!.. Thank you
[16:45] <OvenWerk1> np
[16:46] <L00P3X> it works!!.. even if i can't find it over menù.. have to launch a2midid over terminal
[16:50] <OvenWerk1> Most people add it to qjackctl so that it get started with jack. Studio's new -controls app should give a GUI control for this as well.
[16:52] <L00P3X> you mean as script?
[16:55] <OvenWerk1> Ya, settings->options->Execute script after Startup
[16:55] <L00P3X> doesn't work.. i typed in a2jmidid
[16:55] <OvenWerk1> if you are going to use a2jmidid you need a line like:
[16:56] <OvenWerk1> a2jmidid -e &
[16:56] <OvenWerk1> The & is important
[16:57] <OvenWerk1> That is part of the reason I use: a2j_control ehw start
[16:59] <L00P3X> this way doesn't work for me..
[17:05] <OvenWerk1> Could be. I use my own script at session start
[17:06] <OvenWerk1> If jack is already running before starting qjackctl then it won't work either
[17:12] <OvenWerk1> you might try killall -9 jackd jackdbus
[17:12] <OvenWerk1> Then try with qjackctl again
[17:33] <L00P3X> OvenWerk1, I thank you allot! i even get to manage calf!.. thath have a bad behavor!! why it connects to itself over jack when i add a new fx!!! it just destroys my boxes! like a mic overgained near a box!
[17:42] <L00P3X> OvenWerk1, Hope to see you soon.. will shutdown my pc and try later to setup all as well to work over arduor.. let you know ^^


[15:47] <zus> anyone know the address for the Linux cafe in South FL?
[15:49] <ropetin> http://planetlinuxcaffe.com/index.swf
[16:11] <ropetin> Well poop
[18:22] <ac3xor> hola
[18:23] <cjohnston> hi
[18:23] <ac3xor> how are you today?
[18:23] <cjohnston> fine. you
[18:24] <ac3xor> pretty good. hey im wondering do you have any experience with openvpn?
[18:24] <cjohnston> nope
[18:24] <cjohnston> try #openvpn
[18:24] <ac3xor> good idea!
[18:37] <ropetin> I have /some/ experience.  Whats up?
[18:40] <raubvogel> ac3xor: I use it at home in my router and backup box
[18:40] <raubvogel> and hopefully in my NAS


[00:35] <darkxst> jbicha, input switching is not working properly under gnome-shell
[00:37] <darkxst> can only switch between first two layouts
[00:42] <darkxst> and this seems like it would be bad! (gnome-settings-daemon:2106): AccountsService-CRITICAL **: act_user_set_input_sources: assertion 'g_variant_is_of_type (sources, G_VARIANT_TYPE ("aa{ss}"))' failed
[01:14] <jbicha> yes I have the same problem
[01:15] <jbicha> it worked one time but after logging out and logging back in, it's broken again
[01:29] <darkxst> jbicha, its the same in 3.9, I suppose we didnt see it before because we had revert-input-source-changes.patch
[01:37] <jbicha> darkxst: they uploaded your old nm-applet patch
[01:42] <jbicha> darkxst: should I just drop the idle-dim-time override or it has been replaced by something else?
[01:58] <darkxst> jbicha, its now org.gnome.desktop.session.idle-delay, however just drop it, 30 secs seem like it would be incredibly annoying!
[02:18] <darkxst> and it would seem that it hasnt even worked for some time
[02:34] <darkxst> jbicha, I think we can remove network-manager-gnome from the seed
[02:39] <jbicha> ok
[02:40] <jbicha> having dmz-cursor-theme installed allows someone to easily pick the white cursor in gnome-tweak-tool, I'm not sure how important that is
[02:40] <jbicha> but I'll go with whatever you decide
[02:55] <darkxst> I suppose that is a good point
[13:24] <test_> hello
[13:25] <test_> can i use gnomefallback under ubuntu-gnome?
[13:26] <test_> -.-
[16:47] <wingnux> Hey guys! I can`t seem to be able to install the beta1
[16:47] <wingnux> Whenever I click "Install Ubuntu Gnome 13.10", nothing happens
[16:47] <wingnux> any help?
[17:52] <theenduser> o/
[17:53] <theenduser> latest upgrade pulls in lots of KDE libraries, is that normal?
[17:53] <bjsnider> which ones?
[17:54] <theenduser> like nepomuk and... lemme see...
[17:55] <theenduser> kate, kde-runtime
[17:55] <theenduser> lots more
[17:55] <theenduser> kdelibs, oxygen-icons
[17:55] <theenduser> :/
[18:00] <theenduser> this is SS btw
[18:04] <theenduser> sorry these are already installed
[18:04] <theenduser> something must have pulled them in and I forgot about it
[18:07] <jbicha> theenduser: can you copy your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and post the link here?
[18:07] <jbicha> or never mind
[18:08] <bjsnider> theenduser, try purging kdelibs and see what happens
[18:08] <bjsnider> might tell you what pulled it in
[18:17] <theenduser> thnx guys, I tried purging kdelibs but this is all I see: http://pastebin.com/Eg7dEAWY
[18:17] <theenduser> nothing out of the ordinary, right? can't remember installing sth KDE either :S
[18:22] <jbicha> having ubiquity-frontend-kde installed is unusual
[18:22] <theenduser> oh I see
[19:42] <ikbenben> hi everyone...newish to irc and irc practices. hope i don't abuse
[19:43] <ikbenben> i'm having an issue using gnome 3 on ubuntu after doing an apt-get update last night
[19:43] <ikbenben> when i logged in this morning to my machine i only got a black screen with a cursor
[19:43] <ikbenben> i was able to switch to unity but really want to use gnome3
[19:43] <ikbenben> i tried to run sudo apt-get install -f gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[19:43] <ikbenben> but get a unmet dependency and i'm not sure the best way to fix it
[19:44] <ikbenben> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:44] <ikbenben>  gnome-shell : Depends: gnome-settings-daemon (>= 3.8.0) but 3.6.4-0ubuntu8 is to be installed
[19:44] <ikbenben> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[19:44] <ikbenben> any thoughts?
[19:49] <bjsnider> the stable ppa doesn't have this issu. which ppas do you have?
[19:49] <bjsnider> where did that gnome-shell package come from?
[19:49] <ikbenben> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[19:50] <ikbenben> when i logged into unity i had a window pop up about a partial upgrade required and so i ran it
[19:50] <ikbenben> but that was after getting the black screen after logging in
[19:51] <bjsnider> is this raring or saucy?
[19:51] <ikbenben> 13.04
[19:51] <ikbenben> so raring
[19:51] <bjsnider> 1ubuntu5?
[19:51] <ikbenben> not sure what you mean by that :(
[19:51] <bjsnider> and also ~raring3
[19:54] <ikbenben> gnome-shell-common 3.9.91+git20130905.2980515c-0ubuntu1~13.04~ricotz0
[19:55] <bjsnider> no, should be 3.8.3-1ubuntu5~raring3
[19:56] <bjsnider> where the hell did you get that?
[19:56] <bjsnider> that's not even in staging
[19:56] <ikbenben> lol..no idea :)
[19:56] <bjsnider> do you have any other ppas installed?
[19:57] <ikbenben> for gnome..don't think so..one sec and i'll see
[19:57] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages?field.series_filter=raring
[19:59] <bjsnider> if you don't have rictoz's testing ppa installed you probably need to add it and then purge it
[19:59] <bjsnider> ppa-purge it i mean
[19:59] <bjsnider> unless you went out and manually downloaded that package, which is possible but unlikely
[19:59] <ikbenben> i see a ppa from ricotz
[20:00] <bjsnider> testing?
[20:00] <bjsnider> anyway, i think you should use ppa-purge on it
[20:00] <ikbenben> yes..ppa.launchpad.net/ricotz/testing/ubuntu
[20:00] <bjsnider> unless you like the idea of using a vt the whole time
[20:00] <ikbenben> nope..this is my work machine..i want it stable
[20:01] <bjsnider> you want it stable so you're using a ppa called "testing"
[20:01] <ikbenben> honestly, i don't recall adding that ppa
[20:02] <ikbenben> but i do see an add repository for it in my history
[20:02] <ikbenben> so i must have
[20:02] <bjsnider> it didn't add itself, that i'm sure of
[20:02] <ikbenben> agreed
[20:03] <ikbenben> so is the gnome3 ppa running gnome 3.8?
[20:03] <ikbenben> ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3/ubuntu
[20:03] <bjsnider> yes, but not that version of gsd
[20:04] <jbicha> the ricotz testing ppa assumes you are also using the gnome3-staging ppa
[20:04] <ikbenben> ah..i know why i added ricotz...i wanted gnome-tweak-tool
[20:04] <bjsnider> you already had it
[20:04] <bjsnider> it's in the distro, you don't need a ppa
[20:04] <ikbenben> k
[20:05] <ikbenben> i couldn't find it at the time
[20:05] <ikbenben> anyways...so recommendation...
[20:05] <ikbenben> purge the ricotz ppa
[20:05] <bjsnider> you must have been led astray by misinformation
[20:05] <ikbenben> yes
[20:06] <ikbenben> after purging ppa...then what? simply re-install gnome with sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:06] <ikbenben> ?
[20:06] <bjsnider> it should just downgrade your gnome packages to the nearest version, which is the correct ppa
[20:06] <bjsnider> so that is theoretically all you need to do
[20:08] <ikbenben> so i ran sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:ricotz/testing
[20:08] <ikbenben> then did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[20:08] <ikbenben> didn't seem to do anything really
[20:09] <ikbenben> so i tried to apt-get install gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:09] <ikbenben> and getting different dependencies now
[20:09] <ikbenben> gnome-shell : Depends: libgjs0c (>= 1.36.1-1+js17) but it is not going to be installed
[20:09] <ikbenben>                Depends: libmutter0b (>= 3.8) but it is not going to be installed
[20:09] <ikbenben>                Depends: libmutter0b (< 3.9) but it is not going to be installed
[20:09] <ikbenben>                Depends: gnome-shell-common (= 3.8.3-1ubuntu5~raring3) but 3.9.91+git20130905.2980515c-0ubuntu1~13.04~ricotz0 is to be installed
[20:09] <bjsnider> no, ppa-purge
[20:10] <ikbenben> do i need to install that?
[20:10] <bjsnider> now you have to add that ppa again
[20:10] <ikbenben> k..ppa-purge wasn't isntalled
[20:11] <ikbenben> i'm installing now
[20:11] <ikbenben> and i've added the repostiory back
[20:13] <ikbenben> this is now doing a lot...
[20:17] <ikbenben> k...i think i got it...i had to remove the gnome-tweak-tool as well with a apt-get remove...it was still trying to install gnome-common from ricotz
[20:17] <ikbenben> but after removing i then did an install -f gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop and it installed without error
[20:17] <ikbenben> i'm going to log out and try to log in with gnome3
[20:17] <ikbenben> thank you for your help
[20:17] <ikbenben> hoepfully you won't hear from me again ;)
[20:20] <ikbenben> @bjsnider @jbicha thank you..i'm now chatting to you fromgnome 3


[02:29] <Techie> i am currently using iptables for my gateway, however this does not seem to support uPnP port forwarding, is there an alternative that does support uPnP?
[02:31] <Patrickdk> ya, iptables :)
[02:31] <Patrickdk> linux-igd
[02:31] <Techie> do explain?
[02:32] <Techie> does linux-igd work with iptables, or is it a gateway software itself?
[02:33] <Patrickdk> that is why google exists
[02:33] <Techie> i was hoping you might be able to inform me while i furiously search, however google does make the world go roun
[02:33] <Techie> round*
[02:36] <Techie> hrmm, will be back in a bit, gotta put my server back into the network
[08:49] <aslan> hi, i work in hospital and we have almost 150 client, we try to use Active Directory Domain Controller, but if we do this, we will have so much money to pay for licence. i want to install computers ubuntu. our hospital software works in linux. and i want to make something like windows Active Directory system, i hear about openldap and pfsense. i take a look of them and these are so confused for me. does anyone suggest me a good software same active
[08:49] <aslan> directory ? but i want software that can be controlled with a good user interface. thanks.
[09:16] <volkan> Heey! Saturday morning terror... I wanted to install some packages on our ubuntu server and after a connection error the amazon based server was unavailable. Only stopping and starting the instance got the server back to life. Now i tried dpkg --configure -a to finish the installation but the server got unavailable again.... Heeeelp?
[09:50] <raphink> volkan: first you could try running the dpkg --configure in a screen
[09:50] <raphink> in case the configure steps cut the ssh connection, it will at least allow them to continue while the ssh is cut
[09:51] <volkan> heey! Thank you...
[09:51] <raphink> and then you can reattach later
[09:51] <volkan> @raphink: dpkg: --configure needs at least one package name argument
[09:51] <raphink> volkan: -a I mean
[09:51] <raphink> the one you were trying
[09:51] <raphink> maybe it could be interesting to see the list of packages yet to configure
[09:52] <raphink> dpkg -l | grep '^iU'
[09:52] <raphink> will tell you that
[09:52] <raphink> that migth give you a hint on which package is the issue
[09:52] <volkan> Thes server get's unavailable when i run dpkg --configure -a...
[09:52] <raphink> I understood that part volkan
[09:53] <volkan> I just activated multiverse to install the ec2 admin tools... The last ssh output is: Setting up openjdk-6-jre-headless
[09:53] <raphink> so I'm suggesting ways to find out why and fix it
[09:53] <volkan> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/jexec to provide /usr/bin/jexec (jexec) in auto mode.
[09:53] <volkan> Uh... Nice:
[09:53] <raphink> by unavailable, what do you mean exactly?
[09:54] <raphink> does the ssh connection reset
[09:54] <raphink> do other services still work?
[09:54] <raphink> does the server crash (and do you have anything in dmesg then?)?
[09:54] <volkan> ssh connections hangs... apache off everything is gone...
[09:54] <raphink> alright
[09:54] <volkan> what is dmesg?
[09:54] <raphink> kernel messages
[09:55] <raphink> useful to debug when a machine crashes
[09:55] <raphink> type "dmesg" in a console
[09:55] <volkan> i did dpkg -l | grep '^iU' Do you want the output?
[09:55] <volkan> ok
[09:55] <raphink> you could paste the output of dpkg -l | grep '^iU' in a pastebin
[09:55] <raphink> pastebinit is a useful too for that by the way
[09:55] <raphink> dpkg -l | grep '^iU' | pastebinit
[09:55] <volkan> ok one moment!
[09:56] <raphink> (apt-get install pastebinit)
[09:56] <raphink> forget about that last one if you don't want to make your server crash again ;-)
[09:56] <volkan> no apt-get :)
[09:56] <raphink> just copy and paste into a pastebin :-)
[09:56] <raphink> or use pastebinit from your local machine :-)
[09:57] <raphink> ssh ubuntu@ec2-instance dpkg -l | grep '^iU' | pastebinit
[09:57] <volkan> http://pastebin.com/Z58tfutt
[09:57] <raphink> :-)
[09:57] <raphink> ok, that's dmesg
[09:57] <volkan> http://pastebin.com/166JW6hc
[09:58] <raphink> just these 6 lines?
[09:58] <volkan> Yes!
[09:58] <raphink> ok
[09:58] <raphink> and when you run dpkg --configure -a, you see
[09:58] <raphink> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/jexec to provide /usr/bin/jexec (jexec) in auto mode
[09:58] <raphink> and then it crashes
[09:58] <raphink> right?
[09:59] <volkan> new pastebin:
[10:00] <volkan> http://pastebin.com/F9avmFJk
[10:00] <raphink> ok
[10:01] <raphink> lets see
[10:01] <volkan> And when i do -a
[10:01] <raphink> can you paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/penjdk-6-jre-headless.postinst?
[10:01] <volkan> http://pastebin.com/HMuTPHi1
[10:01] <volkan> oh that was something else... Yes one minute...
[10:01] <raphink> sorry, missing an o
[10:01] <raphink> can you paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/openjdk-6-jre-headless.postinst?
[10:02] <raphink> ;-)
[10:03] <volkan> http://pastebin.com/HEVqzLQZ
[10:03] <raphink> sooo
[10:04] <raphink> the update-alternatives commands in run in the loop from 37 to 59
[10:04] <raphink> these work fine it seems
[10:04] <raphink> sorry, even down to 65 actually
[10:04] <volkan> Oke....
[10:04] <raphink> that's the jexec alternative
[10:04] <raphink> which we see works fine
[10:05] <raphink> or not actually
[10:05] <raphink> let me see :-)
[10:05] <volkan> By the way: Thank you! :)
[10:05] <raphink> we see
[10:05] <raphink> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/tnameserv to provide /usr/bin/tnameserv (tnameserv) in auto mode.
[10:05] <raphink> and then it crashes
[10:06] <raphink> tnameserv is listed in jre_tools, so it's in the loop from 37 to 59 probably that it crashes
[10:06] <raphink> or right after
[10:06] <volkan> Can't i just cancel that install?
[10:07] <raphink> you could
[10:07] <raphink> but I'd rather find why it does that :-)
[10:07] <volkan> Ok!
[10:07] <volkan> Better!
[10:09] <volkan> By the way: i'm doing all the server stuff but i'm kind of an advanced noob... Are you available for paid support sometimes?
[10:09] <raphink> I don't have a company to bill
[10:09] <raphink> canonical provides server support, you know?
[10:09] <raphink> :-)
[10:10] <raphink> let's see
[10:10] <raphink> can you try running this (long command)?
[10:10] <volkan> haha... ehm... i don't have the company that can pay for it :)
[10:11] <raphink> update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/jexec jexec /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/jexec 1061 --slave  /usr/share/binfmts/jar jexec-binfmt /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/jar.binfmt
[10:11] <raphink> can you run that?
[10:11] <volkan> ok...
[10:11] <volkan> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/jexec to provide /usr/bin/jexec (jexec) in auto mode.
[10:12] <raphink> and it doesn't crash?
[10:12] <volkan> but seriously we could buy you stuff at amazon... Is actually better than getting payed... You will get presents!
[10:12] <volkan> nope!
[10:12] <raphink> ok
[10:12] <raphink> let's try another one
[10:12] <volkan> it's still there..
[10:12] <raphink> (thanks for the suggestion ;-)
[10:13] <raphink> hmmm
[10:13] <raphink> edit  /var/lib/dpkg/info/openjdk-6-jre-headless.postinst
[10:14] <raphink> and add "set -x" after the line that says "set -e"
[10:14] <raphink> so that will add a line 6 before current line 6
[10:14] <raphink> right
[10:14] <raphink> ?
[10:14] <volkan> yes!
[10:14] <raphink> save the file
[10:15] <raphink> then run
[10:15] <volkan> did it..
[10:15] <raphink> dpkg --configure -a
[10:15] <raphink> again
[10:15] <volkan> :)
[10:15] <raphink> that will make the whole thing verbose
[10:15] <raphink> so we see where exactly this "Timeout, server not responding" message comes from
[10:16] <volkan> http://pastebin.com/mx7nFfiD
[10:16] <volkan> oke stopping and starting the instance again...
[10:16] <raphink> is that all you saw?
[10:17] <volkan> Yes...
[10:17] <volkan> And the timeout server not responding...
[10:17] <raphink> ah, you did see it
[10:18] <raphink> so you're crashing at line 80
[10:19] <raphink> line 74 is nuts
[10:19] <raphink>     case java-6-openjdk in
[10:19] <raphink>         *cacao|*shark);;
[10:19] <raphink>         *)
[10:19] <raphink> etc.
[10:19] <raphink> the string "java-6-openjdk" will never match *cacao or *shark
[10:20] <raphink> from your package list yet-to-be-configured
[10:20] <raphink> I see you have cacao, so I guess you want to use that
[10:20] <raphink> and the statement at line 74 is wrong and gets you in the default case when  you should enter the first one, which does nothing
[10:20] <raphink> and hence does not crash ;-)
[10:20] <volkan> sorry no idea what cacao is but it some dependency...
[10:21] <raphink> you know what
[10:21] <raphink> change line 74 (which is now 75 for you with set -x)
[10:21] <raphink> sorry, line 75, now 76
[10:21] <raphink> into
[10:21] <raphink>    *|*cacao|*shark);;
[10:21] <raphink> save and run dpkg --configure -a again
[10:21] <raphink> ;-)
[10:22] <raphink> so you don't get into the case that crashes for you
[10:22] <volkan> instance isn't up already... just a sec...
[10:22] <raphink> ok
[10:24] <volkan> YEEEY!
[10:24] <volkan> Hero of my weekend!
[10:25] <raphink> now you have to make sure that java actually works ;-)
[10:26] <volkan> Do you a quick test?
[10:26] <volkan> Do you know a quick test?
[10:26] <raphink> well I don't know, there's probably a reason why you have java installed on this server, no?
[10:26] <raphink> :-)
[10:27] <volkan> dependency of amazon tools... I just tried them seems to work!
[10:27] <raphink> ok then that should be fine
[10:27] <raphink> :-)
[10:27] <raphink> that said, it might not hurt to open a bug on this package
[10:27] <raphink> with your fix and a note on how the case statements look very weird ;-)
[10:27] <volkan> Really thank you... You saved my weekend... should i do it or do you want to do it?
[10:27] <volkan> I will do it!
[10:28] <raphink> thank you
[10:28] <raphink> you can subscribe me
[10:28] <volkan> How?
[10:29] <raphink> there's a subscribe someone link to the right of each bug
[10:29] <raphink> put "raphink"
[10:29] <raphink> :-)
[10:29] <volkan> oke! You are not interested in amazon stuff are you :) ?
[10:29] <volkan> I have some performance problems on a lamp stack...
[10:43] <jfb_h20> suddenly my computer won't boot when a external USB drive is plugged in... any suggestions on what to check?
[11:20] <a7ndrew> bios boot order?
[12:06] <peta> hello everybody
[12:06] <peta> i'm faced by a tricky challenge
[12:10] <peta> i got a remote machine based on 10.04. during the the last days i set it up, did finetuning and securing. now i want to "clone" the system, transfer the image via ssh to my local machine and use it in a virtual machine. the remote machine has has a 2x750gb RAID1 setup. the problem is that i only want to "clone" the actual os files (users,groups,packages, settings, asf.) without the grub settings, so that i can just copy the image
[12:10] <peta> use it without a neat.
[12:12] <peta> might it be sufficient to do a remote rsync, or some other "simple" file/folder copy action?
[13:25] <downloadSSH> ei
[13:25] <downloadSSH> in BIOS of my old computer there is an option for "shared memory"
[13:25] <downloadSSH> what is that
[13:26] <downloadSSH> I think it's related with the graphics card
[13:28] <downloadSSH> so.. should I disable it since I am running ubuntu server?
[13:59] <froud> Hi, have Ubuntu Server Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS with LAMP stack installed and Postfix. Having trouble enabling php mail to send mail from apps like joomla and weberp, but when I run my own script using phpmail it works. I've tried removing postfix for sendmail but the result remains the same, cannot send messages from phpmail functions. Anything one may suggest I have missed. The same problem is...
[13:59] <froud> ...on two servers.
[14:07] <downloadSSH> ok so now I have another issue
[14:07] <downloadSSH> in TTY
[14:07] <downloadSSH> im trying to type !
[14:08] <downloadSSH> but it adds some chars
[14:08] <downloadSSH> I am using alt + !
[14:34] <downloadSSH> do you know what this means
[14:34] <downloadSSH> "ac97 codec read timeout"
[14:34] <downloadSSH> in tty
[15:21] <DrDetroit> Dovecot seems to have loaded at install, and I have postfix also installed, but not running. Can someone point me to a good howto on how to get postfix and dovecot working correctly on ubuntu-server 10.04
[15:22] <TTY_problem> "With some keyboard layouts, AltGr is a modifier key used to input some characters, primarily ones that are unusual for the language of the keyboard layout, such as foreign currency symbols and accented letters. These are often printed as an extra symbol on keys."
[15:23] <TTY_problem> AltGr key replacement:
[15:23] <TTY_problem> than i dont know what to choose
[15:27] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: With some (many) other keyboard layouts, there is no AltGr key... so if you do not have one, leave it out :)
[15:27] <TTY_problem> U have it
[15:27] <TTY_problem> I
[15:28] <TTY_problem> jmarsden
[15:28] <TTY_problem> it's next to space bar
[15:28] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: http://i55.tinypic.com/2dkfern.png
[15:28] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: You have one labelled AltGr?  or you are trying to fake an AltGr key by using some other 'replacement' key?
[15:29] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: I have one key saying alt gr
[15:30] <TTY_problem> ¬££££§@@££@@£
[15:30] <jmarsden> if it is just to the right of the space bar, the default "Right Alt" is probably the one you want.
[15:30] <TTY_problem> see
[15:30] <TTY_problem> ok
[15:30] <TTY_problem> :)
[15:30] <TTY_problem> now it's asking for a compose key
[15:31] <TTY_problem>                  │ The Compose key (known also as Multi_key) causes the computer to interpret the next few keystrokes as a combination in order to produce a character not found on the keyboard.                           │
[15:31] <jmarsden> Same deal.  if you don't have one, tell it you don't have one.
[15:31] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: when I use thr arrows in TTY it types characters
[15:31] <TTY_problem> :s
[15:32] <jmarsden> That might not be a keyboard-configuration issue, you can usually fix that with entries in ~/.inputrc
[15:33] <jmarsden> But for now use the tab key to move around, or try ctrl-n for next and ctrl-p for previous instead of using the arrow keys.
[15:35] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: right arrow = [C
[15:35] <TTY_problem> damn
[15:35] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: the dovecot-postfix package does the configuration work for you...
[15:36] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: That's fine, that can be fixed with .inputrc and is not a keyboard layout issue.
[15:36] <DrDetroit> jmarsden: i get an error /etc/main.cf not found
[15:36] <TTY_problem> how jmarsden ?
[15:36] <TTY_problem> I just want to fix the ! and 1 problem
[15:37] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: Did you install postfix from the Ubuntu package, or from a tarball??
[15:38] <DrDetroit> jmarsden I chose it when I did the initial server installation
[15:38] <DrDetroit> I can see dovecot is running, and I assume when I get a main.cf in the /etc dir it will run also
[15:38] <RoyK> DrDetroit: iirc, that should be /etc/postfix/main.cf
[15:39] <DrDetroit> Royk: I know, but it is not there
[15:39] <DrDetroit> I am wondering if i have to run some sort of postconf command to get one
[15:39] <TTY_problem> ok it's in /etc/imputrc
[15:39] <TTY_problem> how do i fix it
[15:40] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: The package version of postfix looks in /etc/postfix for main.cf not in /etc/
[15:40] <DrDetroit> i apoligize, I am in /etc/postfix and main.cf is not there
[15:40] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: Try  as a test    export INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc
[15:40] <RoyK> DrDetroit: postfix comes with a generic one
[15:41] <DrDetroit> there is no main.cf in the /etc/postfix directory
[15:41] <RoyK> or (iirc) dpkg --configure postfix will create one
[15:41] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: OK, so can you do    sudo dpkg-reconfigure dovecot-postfix
[15:41] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: what does the command do?
[15:41] <RoyK> erm, dpkg-reconfigure - yes
[15:41] <RoyK> ignore my post above
[15:41] <DrDetroit> ok thank you I wil try that
[15:41] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: sets a variable that makes your shell read that file of key mappings
[15:42] <DrDetroit> jmarsden: ah dovecot-postfix is not installed
[15:43] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: im sshing to the computer and other keyboard is connected but im stuck at login prompt
[15:43] <TTY_problem> because of keyboard layout
[15:43] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: Yu can either configure each of them separately, or use that package to do both together.  Using dovecot-postfix is, I would say, easier for beginners.
[15:44] <DrDetroit> can i istall that package with apt-get install dovecot-postfix?
[15:44] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: Do you have this issue on your local machine, or only over SSH?
[15:44] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: the problem is the keyboard in TTY
[15:44] <TTY_problem> over SSH works fine
[15:44] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: Yes.  Might be good to sudo apt-get purge dovecot postfix    # first, to remove the ones you have installed now.
[15:45] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: You said: <TTY_problem> jmarsden: im sshing to the computer and other keyboard is connected but im stuck at login prompt
[15:45] <jmarsden> So now I am confused, which is it? :)
[15:46] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: im stuck localy
[15:46] <jmarsden> Ah, that's not what I thought you said earlier.
[15:46] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: because I need to type ! for the password ;)
[15:46] <jmarsden> WHy would arrow keys not working prevent you from logging in locally?
[15:46] <TTY_problem> but 1 or ! chars dont work
[15:47] <TTY_problem> and arrows also dont work
[15:47] <TTY_problem> and backspace
[15:47] <TTY_problem> and delete..........
[15:47] <TTY_problem> got it?
[15:47] <TTY_problem> :p
[15:47] <TTY_problem> all this in TTY from where im trying to login
[15:48] <jmarsden> And there is a 1 or a ! in your password??
[15:48] <TTY_problem> yes
[15:48] <TTY_problem> there is a !
[15:49] <TTY_problem> and it shows "login incorrect" becuaseo obviously the password was not typed correctly because of keyboard
[15:49] <TTY_problem> because*
[15:50] <DrDetroit> jmarsden: one final question, when configuring postfix, i am assuming I do NOT choose use procmail, since dovecot will used, is that correct?
[15:51] <TTY_problem> this is really annoying problem
[15:51] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: From memory, don't specify postfix as the local delivery agent unless you need it.  procmail and dovecot do different things
[15:51] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: Sounds like at install time the wrong kind of keyboard was specified, or else there is a bug somewhere in how Ubuntu handles your keyboard...
[15:52] <jmarsden> But let me play a little before I give you more things to try...
[15:52] <DrDetroit> jmarsden: thank you I will play arround with this for a while
[15:52] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: You're welcome
[15:52] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: when I installed it everything worked fine
[15:52] <TTY_problem> now doesnt
[15:52] <TTY_problem> really weird.
[15:53] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: OK... so what changed just before it stopped working?
[15:54] <TTY_problem> nothing
[15:54] <TTY_problem> just installed things on the server
[15:56] <TTY_problem> :s
[15:56] <jmarsden> What things?  Anything keyboard or input related?
[15:57] <jmarsden> OK, one more thing to try:   sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup   # Did you do this already?
[16:03] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: yes
[16:05] <jmarsden> OK... I'm running out of ideas... does the output of     grep  ^X /etc/default/console-setup      look reasonable for your keyboard?
[16:05] <jmarsden> (on the ssh session, obviously, since you can't yet log in locally)
[16:05] <TTY_problem> jmarsden:
[16:05] <TTY_problem> the problem is the key "1"
[16:06] <TTY_problem> it's adding chars
[16:06] <TTY_problem> :P
[16:07] <jmarsden> You mean you have a sticky '1' key, a hardware issue with the keyboard??
[16:07] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: output http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=keSY0y1j
[16:08] <jmarsden> Seems sane to me.  Can you check whether other Linux/Ubuntu PCs you have that work fine have the same settings there?
[16:09] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: I even counted the keys
[16:09] <jmarsden> I'm guessing you have a desktop machine or laptop, as well as the server?
[16:09] <TTY_problem> it has 105 keys
[16:09] <TTY_problem> then i searched for the model on the  wweb and  found a site say my model is 107/108 keys
[16:09] <TTY_problem> :P
[16:19] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: One more (maybe strange?) idea: Can you swap the keyboard of the server with the keyboard of some other PC, just to check that the issue is not a hardware problem in the keyboard itself?
[16:20] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: ill try
[16:20] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: btw im in recovery mode now
[16:20] <TTY_problem> and im browsing the system with root user
[16:20] <TTY_problem> o.o
[16:20] <TTY_problem> i didnt type the password but i logged in
[16:20] <jmarsden> Why?  You were browsing it over SSH just fine before... Anyway... try swapping keyboards and see if that helps.
[16:44] <TTY_problem> changed the keyboard now it works.
[16:45] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: OK, so it was a hardware issue... annoying, but buying a new keyboard should be inexpensive :)
[16:49] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: I installed Ubuntu with another keyboard but I was convinced that i didnt :P
[16:50]  * RoyK renicks TTY_problem to PEBKAC_problem
[16:52] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: using recovery mode I edit /etc/hosts file without typing a password
[16:53] <TTY_problem> isnt this really dangerous..
[16:53] <RoyK> TTY_problem: just set a root password
[16:54] <RoyK> sudo passwd root
[16:54] <RoyK> it's all documented in the handbook
[16:54] <RoyK> !handbook
[16:54] <RoyK> wtf
[16:55] <RoyK> !guide
[16:55] <RoyK> sorry
[16:58] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: Anyone with physical access to your machine can fairly easily do anything they want to it anyway (e.g. boot from a CD, or even remove its hard drives!), so recovery mode not needing a password is not a significant weakness in practice.  Servers need good physical security.
[17:00] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: yeah but I would know that I got "robbed"
[17:00] <TTY_problem> if they edit files I wont notice xP
[17:00] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: So if they boot from a CD, edit files and reboot, how is that different from booting into recovery mode in terms of damage done or discoverability?
[17:02] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: couldnt 'they' install a  keylogger..
[17:02] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: Im just worried with the system not the hardware
[17:03] <jmarsden> Yes, either by booting from CD or using recovery mode :)  Physical security is important.  Secure your server.
[17:03] <TTY_problem> so I just need to set a root password right?
[17:03] <jmarsden> No, that does not prevent someone walking up to the sevrer and booting it from a CD.
[17:03] <jmarsden> You "just" need to physically secure your servers.
[17:04] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: ah you disabling boot from cdrom
[17:04] <TTY_problem> in bios
[17:04] <TTY_problem> and setup a password etc?
[17:05] <TTY_problem> you mean*
[17:05] <TTY_problem> or just lock the server on a room?
[17:05] <TTY_problem> :p
[17:05] <jmarsden> Then they remove the drives, connect them to their laptop and edit the files, then put your drives back in.
[17:05] <jmarsden> I mean you physically secure your servers.
[17:05] <TTY_problem> ye
[17:05] <jmarsden> Locking them up is one way to do that, yes.
[17:05] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: if I encrypt the disks
[17:05] <TTY_problem> they cant edit
[17:06] <TTY_problem> the files right
[17:06] <TTY_problem> they cant access
[17:06] <jmarsden> Yes, if you use full disk encryption and get it exactly right you can avoid that kind of attack.  Is the risk of such attack really worth the extra work and issues of using full disk encryption for your circumstances?
[17:08] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: no
[17:08] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: Im just trying to understand how to secure a server
[17:08] <TTY_problem> but in practice i dont need it
[17:08] <TTY_problem> at least now
[17:09] <jmarsden> There are books written on that subject... read them when you need them.
[17:11] <TTY_problem> k
[17:11] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: should I use a password in BIOS?
[17:11] <TTY_problem> if I lost it how can I reset it?
[17:12] <jmarsden> That depends on the motherboard, usually there is a BIOS reset jumper you can use to set the BIOS back to a default state...
[17:14] <DrDetroit> Jmarsden: thanks for your help, I have my postfix sending mail, but not receiving it, but thats ok for now anyways, since I am trying to set up a replacement server and can't set the correct domain name until i retire the old box
[17:15] <DrDetroit> jmarsden:
[17:15] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: You're welcome.
[17:15] <DrDetroit> now onto configuring the eth0 for a fixed ip, even though I dont want to use that yet
[17:15] <TTY_problem> jmarsden: yeah I've reset it phisically
[17:16] <TTY_problem> ok so that's it
[17:16] <TTY_problem> doesnt matter to use password in bios if the "attacker" can open the computer
[17:16] <TTY_problem> :p
[17:18] <jmarsden> DrDetroit: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html see section titled "Static IP Address Assignment"
[17:18] <DrDetroit> jjmarsden: thanks again! I have 2 ethernet ports, currently using eth1 for my connection, but will try and set eth0 as a fixed ip interface for when I put the box in place
[17:19] <jmarsden> TTY_problem: Right.  So you end up back at "physically secure the machine" :)
[17:20] <TTY_problem> :)
[17:31] <RoyK> TTY_problem: a good approach is to monitor system uptime and react if the system was taken down - then - if your data requires safety, encrypt the data part.
[17:31] <RoyK> or, as jmarsden says, simply secure the physical system
[17:32] <RoyK> TTY_problem: a server secured by 100 tons of cement, not connected to a network, will be safe, but not very usable :P
[17:36] <TTY_problem> heh
[17:36] <TTY_problem> :)
[17:36] <TTY_problem> later
[18:30] <TTY_problem> back
[18:52] <TTY_problem> damn
[18:53] <TTY_problem> I can type ! and 1 in gedit
[18:53] <TTY_problem> but in terminal it adds characters
[18:53] <TTY_problem> really weird
[18:53] <TTY_problem> if i type 1 it writes  ~1
[18:59] <kb_problem> damn lulz
[19:31]  * davygravy greets ubuntu-server-gurus, acknowledges their network expertise... clears throat and proceeds to ask his question...
[19:31] <davygravy> not ubuntu-server oriented specifically, but was referred here after visiting ubuntu channel
[19:33] <davygravy> I've got a bootloader on an embbedded/NAS device that will only boot if it can ping & get a response from a specific (hardcoded) ip addy
[19:34] <davygravy> what console utility (cli) will send a spoofed response to it, spoofing that ip?
[19:37] <jmarsden> davygravy: Just add that IP as an alias on one of your existing network interfaces; the network stack will respond to pings, not any cli tool :)
[19:38] <davygravy> hmmm... the hardcodded ip addy belongs to a dev machine ...  which because it is powerhungry 700W beast, is turned off frequently
[19:39] <jmarsden> Then change the dev machine to use some other IP and then proceed as I suggested :)
[19:40] <davygravy> dev machine provides a tftp server that sends initrds to the embedded devices when their drives die, allowing them to go into an emergnecy/maintenance mode
[19:42] <jmarsden> davygravy: Either use that "dev machine" as a tftp server and leave it on 24x7, or migrate that tftpd function to some other less power guzzling machine that you leave on 24x7 -- either it is a server that can be expected to be around, or it is not, you can't have it both ways :)
[19:42] <davygravy> tftp server addy is hardcoded, as well, into the bootloaders
[19:42] <davygravy> yeah, the router runs uclibc optware, so I should be able to migrate stuff to it
[19:44] <jmarsden> davygravy: hack the bootloaders to use DHCP or BOOTP, maybe, to get that tftp server address dynamically?  Hard coding things like that is ... not pretty.
[19:46] <davygravy> thanks, jmarsden- I'm thinking that I can go in and tinker w/ nvram maybe... maybe not-so-hard-coded
[19:46] <davygravy> thanks for the chance to bounce ideas  ;)
[19:48] <davygravy> the router can run netcat/nc (so I can manipulate the boot process via netconsole), as well, so problem might be solved
[19:54] <jmarsden> davygravy: You're welcome :)
[19:55] <storz> I have a bit of an easy question but I have a feeling that there is alot more to it than just this.
[19:55] <storz> I'm following the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[19:55] <storz> What would be my imap username, server, and password?
[19:56] <jmarsden> storz: (a) if you are running imap on your own server, you should know what your own username, password and hostname are ; (b) if you use IMAP provided by an ISP, ask them for that info :)
[19:56] <jmarsden> storz: IMAP is not something provided by postfix, btw, so you might be a little confused?
[19:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743280 in samba (main) "Folder-watching is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743280
[19:59] <storz> @jmarsden: I'm running it myself.  I've installed dovecot as per that guide so imap should be working, correct?  And yes, I am incredibly confused.  This is my first go at a mail server.
[19:59] <storz>  assume that my username would be the username I set up<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and my password.  But I'm getting password mismatch errors when I attempt to connect in my mail log.
[19:59] <storz> Mar 26 12:47:16 ve dovecot: auth-worker(default): pam(storz@ve.7hnjx2yh.vesrv.com,<IP_ADDRESS>): pam_authenticate() failed: Authentication failure (password mismatch?)
[20:00] <jmarsden> storz: Unless you are using virtual domains in some way, your username is probably storz, not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:00] <jmarsden> BTW this is about dovecot, not postfix, see the log line you just posted :)
[20:02] <Jasonn> How do i install KLIPS support on ubuntu server?
[20:02] <storz> jmarden: are you referring to apache's virtual domains?  If so then yes, I am using them.
[20:02] <jmarsden> storz: No, I am referring to dovecots virtual domains, because it is dovecot you are authenticating to :)
[20:03] <jmarsden> storz: Can you just    telnet localhost imap     and then type in     .login storz yourpassword    and see what happens ?
[20:04] <jmarsden> Oh, that should be   . login storz yourpassword
[20:04] <jmarsden> (with a space between the . and the login)
[20:06] <jmarsden> Jasonn: I don't really know, but ipsec tncfg  may help, see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/ipsec_tncfg.8.html
[20:11] <Jasonn> thanks
[20:11] <jmarsden> Jasonn: You're welcome
[20:12] <Jasonn> Do you have any idea of how to install it?
[20:12] <Jasonn> Or better yet
[20:12] <Jasonn> could you explain to me like a 5 year old how to install a vpn?
[20:12] <jmarsden> Jasonn: sudo apt-get install openswan
[20:13] <jmarsden> If you need "like a 5 year old", why are you asking about KLIPS >
[20:13] <Jasonn> Because
[20:13] <Jasonn> it sais that KLIPS support is not installed
[20:13] <jmarsden> Step back and ask your real question.  What are you trying to do?  What devices or computers will be at each end of the VPN tunnel?
[20:15] <Jasonn> My server on one end
[20:15] <Jasonn> and my desktop on the other
[20:15] <Jasonn> and my cellphone too
[20:15] <storz> jmarsden: Got it.  Thanks.  No, I can't.  I get NO (AUTHENTICATIONFAILED) Authentication failed.
[20:15] <davygravy> jmarsden: thanks, I think I found the solution I was originally looking for ...   icmpush ... will build this w/ my Buildroot/uclibc toolchain & try it that way.  In any case, thanks for your advice & insight.
[20:16] <storz> Hold on.  Could it be that I have my dovecot installed incorrectly?
[20:16] <storz> Postfix definitely is correct as I can receive email no problem.  Perhaps my dovecot is not reading my email database for logins?
[20:16] <jmarsden> storz: by default dovecot uses the unix password database
[20:16] <jmarsden> storz: That is why I said you should know your own username and pw earlier on :)
[20:16]  * davygravy waves goodbye to nice, friendly people
[20:16] <jmarsden> davygravy: You're welcome
[20:17] <Jasonn> jmarsden:
[20:17] <storz> @jmarsden: That would do it.  I've been assuming that it would connect to my mysql db and work with it.  Do you know if dovecot has this functionality (but needs to be enabled I guess)?
[20:18] <jmarsden> storz: You can make it use whatever back end db you need, I think by editing its pam config file under /etc/pam.d/ but there may be other ways too
[20:19] <storz> Jmarsden: Thank you!  I tried using my unix account and it is working perfectly.  Thats what I was missing.  I'll see if I can't get it to worth with mysql now.
[20:19] <jmarsden> storz: You're welcome
[20:21] <Jasonn> How can i remove all package i have installed?
[20:21] <Jasonn> only the ones *i* installed
[20:22] <jmarsden> Jasonn: sudo apt-get purge PACKAGENAME1 PACKAGENAME2 ... PACKAGENAME99
[20:22] <jmarsden> Do you know which ones you installed?
[20:22] <Jasonn> no
[20:22] <jmarsden> You may be able to read /var/log/dpkg.log to figure that out.
[20:22] <Jasonn> Hm
[20:23] <Jasonn> Thanks:)
[20:23] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  Lesson to learn: make notes as you configure a server, documenting what you do and why.  It makes reverting changes easier.  (Of course, having good backups is another way to deal with this!)
[20:25] <jmarsden> Jasonn: if you used apt-get you can also look in /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:26] <Jasonn> Ok i got it
[20:28] <kees> anyone ever noticed thunderbird + dovecot sucking HUGE bandwidth?
[20:28] <Jasonn> no
[20:29] <ScottK> kees: I read that first time through as "anyone ever noticed thunderbird sucking?" and thought, "Duh."
[20:30] <ScottK> :-)
[20:30] <Jasonn> jmarsden: Dont really know if this is your area of expertise, but is there a better client to use on ubuntu desktop to connect to VPNs??
[20:30] <jmarsden> kees: After upgrading to TB 3,  its default options changed to sync everything locally (or something like that), I had that issue until I figured it out and told it not to do that...
[20:31] <jmarsden> Jasonn: Have you tried openvpn? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/openvpn.html
[20:31] <Jasonn> No, i mean a client
[20:32] <jmarsden> Jasonn: You want a pretty GUI wrapper?  No, I don't know what to suggest for that, sorry.
[20:32] <Jasonn> Ok
[20:32] <Jasonn> thanks :)
[20:34] <slim_> hi, any recommendation for a sip server that can integrate with MS OCS ?
[21:02] <kees> ScottK: heheh
[21:37] <old_keyboard> wazzup
[21:42] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #743322 in awstats (main) "Man page for awstats-update installed in the wrong place" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743322
[21:55] <zertyui> hello there
[21:55] <zertyui> anyone know about postfix ?
[22:02] <old_keyboard> I dont
[22:03] <DrDetroit> jmarsden was helping me get it set up, but i think he is away atm
[22:04] <DrDetroit> i wonder if i can somehow migrate my old iptables setup my new ubuntu 10.04 server
[22:09] <old_keyboard> DrDetroit: cant you copy them?
[22:09] <old_keyboard> sudo iptables -L
[22:10] <DrDetroit> old_keyboard:  my old iptables rests on a rh7.3 machine, so even though it's iptables was taken years ago from a debian machine, I was not sure it would work
[22:11] <DrDetroit> On may old machine, we had a file called iptables and in it were all the rules
[22:22] <DrDetroit> old_keyboard: according to the manual I think i can just take my old rules and copy them as /etc/iptables.rules onto the new machine
[22:23] <old_keyboard> ok :)
[22:23] <DrDetroit> of course removing anything that is not a rule
[22:40] <old_keyboard> If I change /etc/motd does it update the system info after a kernel update?
[22:47] <old_keyboard> On Ubuntu systems, /etc/motd is typically a symbolic link to /var/run/motd.
[22:57] <Jasonn> Hey, i wanna run a web proxy on my server, how do i do this?
[23:00] <old_keyboard> Ithink you need squid
[23:01] <Jasonn> No, i want a webproxy not a proxy server
[23:01] <old_keyboard> hm
[23:02] <old_keyboard> try https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/
[23:03] <old_keyboard> change link if not maverick
[23:05] <old_keyboard> Is ifup and ifdown the same as ifconfig ?
[23:05] <DrDetroit> no
[23:06] <old_keyboard> I mean the function
[23:06] <DrDetroit> ifup (interface) or ifdown (interface) turns on or turns off the specified interface
[23:07] <DrDetroit> ifconfig configures an interface
[23:07] <DrDetroit> or gives you a report on one
[23:07] <DrDetroit> ie ifconfig eth0 should show  you the relevant information for that interface
[23:07] <DrDetroit> see man ifconfig
[23:08] <old_keyboard> DrDetroit: sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[23:08] <old_keyboard> sudo ipup eth0
[23:08] <old_keyboard> looks the same
[23:08] <DrDetroit> i switch to root when i want to do something so i dont use sudo
[23:08] <DrDetroit> sorry
[23:09] <old_keyboard> lol
[23:09] <old_keyboard> DrDetroit: forget the sudo look at the commands
[23:09] <old_keyboard> I think they do the same thing.
[23:10] <DrDetroit> maybe ipup and ifup are the same, but i dont think ipup and ifconfig are the same
[23:10] <DrDetroit> and it very well may give the same results
[23:10] <DrDetroit> i never use ifup or ifdown or any of that stuff
[23:11] <DrDetroit> i like my stuff to stay on all the time
[23:11] <DrDetroit> <---simple minds require simple stuff
[23:11] <old_keyboard> :D
[23:12] <DrDetroit> I am new to ubuntu server, I have mostly run debian and before that FreeBSD and Redhat in the old days
[23:13] <old_keyboard> k
[23:31] <old_keyboard> I am running ntpd how do I know if ntpdate is running at boot?
[23:31] <old_keyboard> i just want ntpd
[23:50] <old_keyboard> anyway i just purged ntpdate.
[23:51] <qman__> ntpdate is in the default install
[23:52] <qman__> in order to provide good time the server must get its time from a reliable source
[23:52] <qman__> when you install ntpd, things get configured the right way for it to work
[23:54] <old_keyboard> qman__: yes i use ntp
[23:54] <old_keyboard> and i use a server near me
[23:55] <qman__> ntpdate is the tool that retrieves the time
[23:55] <qman__> ntpd is the service that provides it
[23:57] <old_keyboard> o.o
[23:57] <old_keyboard> qman__: they are different things
[23:57] <old_keyboard> for the same purpose
[23:57] <old_keyboard> get time from internet
[23:57] <old_keyboard> but ntpd is more accurate
[23:57] <old_keyboard> correct me if i am wrong
[23:57] <old_keyboard> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/NTP.html
[23:58] <old_keyboard> "Ubuntu has two ways of automatically setting your time: ntpdate and ntpd. "
[23:59] <qman__> it isn't more accurate
[23:59] <qman__> it just adjusts it smoothly and constantly
[23:59] <qman__> your time is only as accurate as the time source


[01:26] <lifeless> jamesh: does kiko/launchpad/rosetta-view-refactoring have the right pending-merge metadata ?
[03:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65800 in launchpad "Staging server should obviously be a demo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65800
[03:26] <Paddy_EIRE> how do I change the status of a bug to "Answered" on launchpad and Assign credit where it is due?
[03:27] <Paddy_EIRE> here is the bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/1719 someone posted that I should do this and I wish to
[04:17] <vezult> I would like to register a sourceforge cvs branch in launchpad. I don't really know too much about CVS, so when attempting to register the branch, and one of the required fields is the CVS "branch." As far as I know, there is only one, default branch.
[04:23] <jamesh> vezult: use MAIN
[04:23] <vezult> jamesh: thanks.
[04:25] <ajmitch> jamesh: regarding that, what do we do about failed imports?
[04:36] <jamesh> ajmitch: currently you need to ask ddaa about it.
[04:37] <ajmitch> alright
[04:37] <jamesh> ajmitch: if a CVS import previously was importing correctly but has stopped, it usually indicates that the upstream performed CVS surgery and the import needs some manual attention to get it going again
[04:38] <ajmitch> quite possibly - I went back to cutting patches out of CVS manually :)
[04:38] <jamesh> I know the rhythmbox guys were doing stupid things like moving ,v files around
[04:39] <jamesh> which is generally worse than copying them
[04:39] <jamesh> since you have no chance of recovering the history
[04:39] <jamesh> (copying just results in extra files existing in past revisions
[04:39] <ajmitch> I'll check with upstream to see if they've done anything silly
[06:15] <stub> canonical.com addresses are relaying fine...
[06:19] <stub> lifeless: Did you change PQM stuff in the last few hours?
[06:20] <lifeless> yes
[06:20] <lifeless> whats up?
[06:20] <stub> lifeless: The last patch.xxx.log contains just the line 'global name 'branch' is not defined'
[06:20] <stub> And I received no notifications of success or failure from pqm, nor has the commits mailing list
[06:22] <lifeless> let me check
[06:22] <lifeless> I've probably got a backtrace
[06:25] <lifeless> stub: merge went through at 11am
[06:26] <stub> lifeless: are you sure? bzr log on the launchpad/devel branch shows no landing
[06:26] <lifeless> stub: yes, I'm sure.
[06:27] <lifeless> stub: the dists branch is out of date, I forgot to upate it
[06:27] <stub> dists branch?
[06:27] <lifeless> stub: you need to use /code/ now for everything; if you do a commit to the dists branch replacing the sodium home/warthogs paths with /code/ it will fix it
[06:28] <lifeless> stub: yes, /code/rocketfuel/dists/...
[06:28] <lifeless> stub: where the VCS configs are stored
[06:28] <stub> I have
[06:28] <stub> Hmm
[06:28] <lifeless> let me see
[06:30] <lifeless> nope, /home/pqm/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel/configs/canonical.com/launchad/development is still using the old paths.
[06:30] <lifeless> I'll fix it
[06:30] <lifeless> stub: try now, it should be happier
[06:30] <stub> Ahh... I understand now. I'd forgotten all about dists and config manager stuff ;)
[06:36] <jamesh> lifeless: btw, would it be possible to remove bzrtools and gnarly from rocketfuel-built?  Removed branches don't seem to disapear from it
[06:37] <lifeless> jamesh: sure
[06:37] <lifeless> stub can do that as can I
[06:37] <lifeless> I'll do it now
[06:37] <lifeless> done
[06:37] <jamesh> thank you
[08:58] <carlos> morning
[08:58] <mdke_> morning carlos
[08:59] <carlos> SteveA: Hi, will you have time for a fast meeting with me?
[09:00] <carlos> about the Guadalinex meeting
[09:44] <SteveA> carlos: hi
[09:44] <SteveA> yes
[09:44] <SteveA> although I'll be briefly away in 10 mins
[09:44] <carlos> SteveA: hi
[09:44] <carlos> SteveA: just ping me when you have time
[09:44] <carlos> I will be around the whole morning
[09:45] <SteveA> carlos: ok
[09:45] <carlos> SteveA: thanks
[09:52] <SteveA> good morning _thumper_
[09:54] <SteveA> carlos: ok
[10:10] <SteveA> mpt: morning!
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65868 in launchpad "Sprint attendance times should be considered local wallclock time" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65868
[10:56] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Hi
[11:03] <SteveA> hi matthewrevell
[11:04] <matthewrevell> SteveA: Would you prefer to leave it until another time, as you're in the middle of a sprint?
[11:05] <SteveA> matthewrevell: let's have a quick talk now.  Can you call me?  I'll msg you a number
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65878 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot View Branch Online" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65878
[11:47] <SteveA> jamesh: ping.  please write an email to Jean-Francois pointing him in a good direction for exporting bugs from roundup.
[12:37] <_thumper_> SteveA, ping
[01:42] <telenieko> Hi, is it possible to make the  CIA (cia.navi.cx) work with my bzr branches on launchpad ?
[02:50] <lucasvo> is there a launchpad usability team?
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65922 in launchpad "Linking a to a bug from a spec works but not the other way around." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65922
[03:20] <bradb> lucasvo: we have a usability genius in mpt, fwiw
[03:20] <bradb> mpt is the tom cruise of user experience
[03:21] <bradb> lucasvo: so feel free to talk to him to learn more about what's going on there
[03:25] <lucasvo> !seen mpt
[03:29] <cprov> carlos: ping
[03:29] <carlos> cprov: pong
[03:30] <cprov> carlos: hi, do you have any tests for copy_active_translations inside i-f-p ?
[03:31] <carlos> I think so
[03:31] <carlos> are you removing it?
[03:32] <cprov> carlos: I just can't find it
[03:32] <carlos> let me check...
[03:32] <cprov> carlos: yes, I've commented it out for now, we are going for edgy+1
[03:33] <cprov> carlos: do you see any problem ? can you run something similar later, after edgy+1 is established ?
[03:34] <carlos> yeah, I ran out of time to remove it myself
[03:35] <carlos> cprov: doc/distrorelease.txt
[03:35] <cprov> carlos: np, it's fine, I hope we can save some of the original 13 hours downtime required ;)
[03:35] <cprov> carlos: let me see
[03:36] <kiko-fud> hey there
[03:37] <cprov> carlos: what would be the best, 1. purge the function and statements or 2. comment out the statements in the test ?
[03:40] <cprov> carlos: honestly, the entire section should be in doc/initialise-from-parent.txt and the code would be moved from distrorelease.py as well, don't you think ?
[03:40] <carlos> cprov: well... comment them and file a bug assigned to me to move those test to the copy-missing-translations-from-parent tests
[03:41] <cprov> carlos: ok
[03:42] <carlos> cprov: thanks
[03:42] <carlos> kiko-fud: hi
[03:53] <cprov> carlos: well, it's more complicated then it sounded, in doc/distrorelease.txt, section "DistroRelease Translations migration", you always suppose humpy translations are in place too
[03:53] <cprov> carlos: I'd need to let copy_active_translation completly uncovered to pass the tests in PQM
[03:57] <cprov> carlos: something like this https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileFH9PFz.html
[03:57] <cprov> carlos: which is unacceptable, IMO
[03:58] <cprov> carlos: other approach would be making initialiseFromParent(..., copy_translations=False) and make it true only inside doc/distrorelease.txt
[03:59] <cprov> carlos: what do you think about this ?
[04:07] <carlos> cprov: well, you can do the initial copy
[04:07] <carlos> like we do the incremental one
[04:08] <cprov> carlos: yes, calling humpy.copyMissingTransalationFromParent(), good idea
[04:08] <carlos> and tests should work without changes
[04:08] <lucasvo> mpt_: ping
[04:14] <cprov> carlos: just moving pieces around, translation related code is moved to the respective section. check if you like the file now, https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filexp9sjd.html (the diff is a little unreadable)
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65932 in malone "malone changes the source package name, even if there is one in the archive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65932
[04:16] <carlos> cprov: The main one is to clone what we have in its parent distribution, like we did
[04:16] <carlos> before in this test when we created 'humpy' distribution.
[04:17] <carlos> cprov: that's wrong, isn't it? you are not doing it anymore 'before'
[04:19] <cprov> carlos: well, i-f-p runs w/o translation, it remains in the previous section, later on, in Migrating translation section, I do the initial copyMissingTranslationFrom(), the previous checks and then the original code, test works as expected, not sure it is clearer as before.
[04:21] <carlos> cprov: I know
[04:21] <carlos> what I mean is that the comment should be updated...
[04:21] <cprov> carlos: point me to it, I can't see.
[04:22] <carlos> instead of: The main one is to clone what we have in its parent distribution, like we did
[04:22] <carlos> before in this test when we created 'humpy' distribution.
[04:22] <carlos> I would just say: The main one is to clone what we have in its parent distribution.
[04:22] <cprov> carlos: I seee
[04:23] <cprov> carlos: yup, just deleted the last part of the paragraph. anything other than that ?
[04:24] <carlos> I think it's fine
[04:24] <carlos> cprov: thanks for handling it
[04:24] <cprov> carlos: very nice, thank you for reviewing it ;) (ehe rs=carlos)
[04:25] <carlos> :-P
[04:25] <carlos> see you!
[04:44] <jordi> kiko: hey, back.
[04:44] <jordi> yesterdaty was hispanic day, vacation in Spain
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65945 in launchpad-support-tracker "Add a "Support contact of" report to the Person context " [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65945
[06:32] <mdz> cprov-lunch,malcc: are old .debs (no longer in the pool) kept on drescher anywhere? or only in the librarian?
[06:37] <cprov> mdz: only in librarian, you can download them via the UI
[06:39] <mdz> cprov: when I want to do something like dpkg -c on it, that is very inconvenient
[06:42] <cprov> mdz: I see, maybe we could make deathrow to move files somewhere instead of delete
[06:44] <mdz> cprov: yes, this is what katie does
[06:44] <mdz> and then they too expire after a time
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65957 in launchpad-support-tracker "Allow subscribing to a request while giving an answer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65957
[06:46] <cprov> mdz: uhm, additional publication state may be required, anyway, it's a good idea, can you, please, file a bug ?
[06:47] <mdz> cprov: another idea would be to have a command-line tool on drescher which would fetch the files from the librarian
[06:50] <cprov> mdz: that's is possible too, if you're ok with informing name/version by hand. Is this always a very specific investigation ?
[06:50] <cprov> mdz: maybe "queue fetch" can help you immediatelly ...
[06:55] <mdz> cprov: a common use case is to fetch the past few versions of a .deb
[06:55] <mdz> or a particular old version of a source package or .deb
[06:58] <cprov> mdz: right, check if "queue fetch -Q done name/version" work for your current use cases (maybe you need some queue info before, the use the IDs for specific source or binary fetch)
[06:59] <mdz> maybe, but that isn't much better than browsing the web interface for each version
[06:59] <mdz> I just wondered if the files were already kept around so that we could do this kind of work quickly
[07:00] <mdz> it's less important than other issues
[07:02] <cprov> mdz: it wouldn't be easy to find an optimal time to keep files around and the reasonable disk-usage in drescher
[07:02] <mdz> cprov: we already did this with katie
[07:03] <cprov> mdz: deathrow removes around 1 G from the archive per day, but it would be fine to implement if distro-team can drive it.
[07:05] <kiko_> good morning vietnam
[07:05] <kiko_> SteveA, ping?
[07:06] <kiko_> matsubara, ping?
[07:07] <kiko_> the.. anyone.. anyone.. great depression
[07:07] <matsubara> kiko_: pong
[07:08] <matsubara> kiko_: did you get my message?
[07:08] <kiko_> matsubara, I didn't, no
[07:09] <kiko-afk> matsubara, try again
[07:09] <Mez> ddaa: ping
[07:16] <SteveA> kiko-afk: yo
[07:17] <kiko-afk> hey SteveA
[07:17] <kiko-afk> SteveA, are you listening to new age?
[07:18] <SteveA> kiko-afk: a bit early for that I think
[07:18] <SteveA> clan told me 6.30, but that mark would ping
[07:18] <SteveA> I could dial in and see if we can talk before mark arrives
[07:19] <kiko-afk> SteveA, are you busy or do you want to?
[07:19] <SteveA> sure, let's DOIT
[07:19] <kiko-afk> oh good
[07:19] <kiko-afk> I am so bored
[07:21] <SteveA> silence
[07:21] <SteveA> kiko-afk: i'm in
[07:23] <kiko-afk> oops
[07:23] <kiko-afk> hmm
[07:24] <kiko-afk> my phone is dying on me
[07:31] <SteveA> ffs
[07:31] <SteveA> stop walking around! ;-)
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65977 in malone "Private replies to bug mail 'broken' by Reply-To misuse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65977
[08:03] <mdke_> interesting bug
[08:41] <mdz> kiko: are build failure notifications to the uploader enabled now
[08:41] <mdz> ?
[08:52] <cprov> mdz: I'm about to commit it in RF, it will be during the weekend
[08:52] <mdz> cprov: kiko told me it was only a configuration change and didn't require a code update
[08:53] <cprov> mdz: yes, but even config updates needs commit.
[09:07] <LaserJock> I've got an interesting Malone problem, the motuscience team's +subscribedbugs page doesn't seem to be getting updated
[09:07] <LaserJock> it doesn't seem to show bugs from roughly 50000 on
[09:10] <matsubara> LaserJock: I can see bug 58094 there in the first listing.
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58094 in arpack "Source out of date with upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58094
[09:11] <matsubara> LaserJock: is there any specific bug that you are sure that should be in the listing that is not listed? If yes, which one?
[09:11] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah, so it must be a bit further on
[09:11] <LaserJock> bug 65964
[09:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65964 in pymol "Pymol does not start because of wrong python interpreter name in start script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65964
[09:12] <matsubara> hmm LaserJock, that's a known bug
[09:12] <matsubara> "also notified" don't show up on +subscribedbugs listing
[09:13] <LaserJock> darn
[09:13] <LaserJock> why is it in "also notified"
[09:14] <bradb> LaserJock: bug 61429 might interest you
[09:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61429 in malone "Would like to see *all* assigned/subscribed bugs" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61429
[09:14] <mpt_> bradb, I'm neither gay nor insane (as far as I know), so I'm doubtful about the Tom Cruise reference :-)
[09:14] <mpt_> lucasvo, pong
[09:14] <bradb> LaserJock: the idea, currently, is that Malone distinguishes "direct" subscriptions from "indirect" ones, so you can signal specific interest in a bug
[09:15] <bradb> mpt: you are the star of misson: impossible :P
[09:15] <lucasvo> mpt: they told me that you are the usability god of launchpad?
[09:15] <mpt> ah-har
[09:15] <matsubara> it's also notified because motu science is probably a bug contact for that package.
[09:15] <lucasvo> mpt: I got some suggestions...
[09:15] <LaserJock> bradb: but I'm looking at a teams +subscribedbugs, so they are all indirect, no?
[09:15] <bradb> LaserJock: they needn't be
[09:15] <lucasvo> mpt: and writing a hundred bug reports is kinda odd
[09:15] <mpt> lucasvo, alas that isn't true, but maybe I can help you anyway
[09:16] <LaserJock> I would assume that setting motuscience as a bug contact for that package would but it on +subscribedbugs
[09:16] <lucasvo> mpt: I just wanted to know if there are any guidelines regarding consistency of the portlets
[09:17] <LaserJock> but I need to explicitly subscribe motuscience to a bug to get it to show up there?
[09:17] <mpt> lucasvo, no.
[09:17] <mpt> lucasvo, people have just been piling stuff in there with <b> and <br> tags.
[09:18] <mpt> However, they should improve soon, as I'm reviewing them all and tidying them up.
[09:19] <bradb> LaserJock: for now, the bug contact bugs are found at https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs
[09:19] <mpt> bradb, what happened to the release management stuff you were working on?
[09:19] <LaserJock> bradb: heh, fun
[09:19] <bradb> LaserJock: when the bug i mentioned earlier is fixed, this problem will go away
[09:20] <LaserJock> really?
[09:20] <bradb> mpt: conjoined bug tasks
[09:20] <mpt> oh
[09:20] <bradb> mpt: i'm working on it more with francis right now
[09:20] <LaserJock> but I don't care about seeing bugs for teams I belong to in my bug pages
[09:20] <bradb> mpt: it actually already landed, then unlanded.
[09:21] <lucasvo> mpt: and what about the position of th eboxes?
[09:21] <LaserJock> I just want to be able to go to the team's bug pages, a fix for that bug will also fix this issue?
[09:21] <mpt> lucasvo, currently they follow the Mullet Rule
[09:22] <mpt> The columns on the sides are allowed to be very long, like a mullet, as long as they're roughly symmetrical
[09:23] <bradb> LaserJock: the teams bug page is the link i gave above
[09:23] <bradb> i.e. +packagebugs
[09:23] <mpt> bradb, because my girlfriend looked at the stuff that you'd done before, and she asked me, "what if a bug gets nominated for a distribution release, and that release gets released without the bug being fixed, but the bug still exists when the next release is opened?"
[09:23] <mpt> And I didn't know the answer
[09:23] <bradb> mpt: nothing
[09:23] <bradb> mpt: it's just a nomination for a release
[09:24] <mpt> Sorry, for "nominated" in that read "accepted"
[09:24] <bradb> but i fear more deep analysis before it's been exposed to the real world, tbh
[09:24] <lucasvo> mpt: people like to have everything have it's own place.
[09:24] <LaserJock> bradb: any timeline for fixing that? I'll write a script to process +packagebugs as a short term solution if it's going to take a while
[09:24] <lucasvo> mpt: for example the info box about of the project changes it's place various times.
[09:25] <bradb> LaserJock: for them to be all on one page you mean?
[09:25] <mpt> bradb, for example, mdz says "yes, we'll fix this for Edgy+1", but there turns out not to be time, and then Edgy+2 opens and the bug still exists, but it's forgotten about because it was targeted to Edgy+1
[09:25] <mpt> and it's not visibly open for Ubuntu-in-general any more
[09:25] <lucasvo> mpt: this gives users a hard time trying to remember where to click on, because the location changes.
[09:25] <LaserJock> bradb: yeah, ,+packagebugs is no good to us by itself. We have ~450 packages on there
[09:26] <mpt> lucasvo, yes, it's a mess. It will improve soon, though.
[09:26] <LaserJock> bradb: I need to see the status of all the packagebugs in one place
[09:26] <lucasvo> mpt: so I should just write bug reports? or is there any pleace where these things are already written down?
[09:26] <mpt> lucasvo, normally I would say "yes, please report bugs"
[09:26] <matsubara> LaserJock: you might also be interested in bug 61024
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61024 in malone "+packagebugs could have better filtering." [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61024
[09:27] <lucasvo> mpt: but?
[09:27] <mpt> lucasvo, but in this case, I can tell you that it's unnecessary to report a bug about the position of boxes on the page, because that will soon be fixed anyway.
[09:28] <mdz> mpt: this is a discussion which needs to be had with input from the development team about how we actually work
[09:28] <LaserJock> matsubara: ah yes, Fujitsu seems to have beat me too it
[09:28] <mpt> Undoubtedly.
[09:28] <lucasvo> mpt: and other things?
[09:28] <mpt> lucasvo, other things, sure, please report them
[09:29] <bradb> LaserJock: not sure, but i feel your pain. it's probably between kiko and BjornT to sort out priorities for when all a team's bugs can be listed on one page.
[09:29] <mpt> bradb, we're going to miss your user-centredness :-)
[09:29] <bradb> mpt: the bug doesn't get forgotten about. there's still the open generic task.
[09:29] <mpt> (and your sense of humor)
[09:29] <bradb> heh
[09:29] <bradb> i will miss your user-centeredness!
[09:30] <mpt> bradb, so that's how ConjoinedBugTasks will work? iirc it's not how the previous system worked
[09:30] <bradb> btw, you should resurrect your old blog, you link-rotter
[09:30] <bradb> :P
[09:30] <mpt> yeah
[09:30] <LaserJock> ok, well I know you guys are really busy and all. I'll probably just create a quick script to process +packagebugs, at least until Edgy is released
[09:30] <mpt> I need to write a nice letter to the guy who runs phrasewise.com asking for redirects
[09:30] <LaserJock> I actually missed out on a few important bugs because I was looking at +subscribedbugs
[09:31] <bradb> mpt: the generic bugtask (on a distribution or product) is kept in sync with the IDistribution.currentrelease or IProduct.development_focus bugtask.
[09:31] <bradb> so, when the cur release or dev focus changes, the link is broken
[09:31] <bradb> the data flows from the generic task to the specific one
[09:31] <bradb> for milestone, assignee, sourcepackagename, importance, and status
[09:32] <mpt> Nifty.
[10:56] <ctrlsoft> Anybody here aware of a way to migrate bugs from trac to lp ?
[11:03] <matsubara> ctrlsoft: jamesh is the one who wrote the migration stuff for ubuntu's bugzilla to lp and for python's sourceforge to lp. He might be able to give you some advice there, but I don't think he's current online.
[11:14] <ctrlsoft> matsubara: ah, thanks


[06:29] <gjolly> xnox: patviafore: I don't know much about merge-usr but deboostrap's man pages states that --no-merge-usr is the default for buildd. Thus, I don't think your MP will change something for buildd.
[06:36] <gjolly> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=914208 for context
[13:10] <paride> Laney, hi! I just noticed that the autopkgtest stats page is partially broken: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/statistics
[13:10] <paride> the "#packages with passing tests" line is empty and therefore the pass rate is 0%
[13:11] <paride> The last time I looked at that page was shortly after Groovy got released, and it was working
[13:11] <paride> could this be due to the recent changes you mentioned in the ubuntu-devel ML?
[13:13] <Laney> paride: I dunno, thanks, I'll try to look at some point soon
[13:13] <Laney> need to refresh my knowledge of how that page works
[13:14] <paride> Laney, thanks! Is there a project where I can file this as a bug report, for easier tracking?
[13:14] <Laney> lp:auto-package-testing
[13:19] <paride> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1926958
[13:24] <Laney> merci
[14:12] <teward> cpaelzer: art thou alive?
[14:17] <cpaelzer> yes teward
[14:17] <cpaelzer> teward: busy in an all-day-call but alive
[14:17] <teward> cool well i'mma borrow you for 2 minutes
[14:17] <cpaelzer> sure
[14:18] <cpaelzer> I guess in -meeting then?
[14:18] <cpaelzer> or privately?
[14:19] <teward> privately.
[15:09] <ItzSwirlz> update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1919026 - i got a groovy patch
[22:31] <mwhudson> amurray: congrats!
[23:49] <amurray> thanks mwhudson


[09:07] <duflu> It's kind of nice that no matter how many times Xmir crashes in a day, Mir itself does not
[09:19] <alan_g> duflu: you must try harder. ;)
[09:20] <duflu> alan_g: Well, between us we fixed the two ways Xmir can crash a vanilla Mir server
[09:20] <duflu> It still does crash if you're on old Mir 0.16
[09:22]  * alan_g can still crash Mir many times in a day
[09:24] <duflu> alan_g: Via a broken client though?
[09:25] <alan_g> I concede that point.
[09:29] <alan_g> Weird, today animated cursor on a nested server works if the host is mesa-drm but gives a black square if the host is mesa-x11
[09:30] <alan_g> Has mesa just been updated?
[09:58] <duflu> alan_g: Yeah wily mesa is broken with lots of blackness today (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1504387)
[09:59] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1504387 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[regression] Software client windows appear all-black on wily desktop" [Critical,Triaged]
[12:27] <zzarr> hello! do anyone know how long nVidia have come with development of a MIR driver?
[12:42] <anpok_> the have come...
[12:42] <anpok_> a long way..
[13:25] <anpok_> hm  why do we provide ProgramOption to the probe function of graphics platforms instead of just options::Option?
[14:00] <Saviq> hey folks, in silo 22 (multimonitor), when disconnecting an external screen, mir aborts with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12723726/
[14:01] <Saviq> is that known? anything more I could provide to help fix?
[14:04] <greyback_> Saviq: AlbertA has done a lot of work improving mir's handling of plug/unplug in mir 0.17 - I did a test a week ago and it was much more stable
[14:04] <Saviq> greyback_, ok, so not worth investigating
[14:05] <greyback_> Saviq: nope
[14:42] <greyback_> bschaefer: you have a branch of SDL2 with mir support somewhere, no?
[14:42] <greyback_> could you please share?
[14:45] <bschaefer> greyback_, yeah
[14:45] <bschaefer> greyback_, https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[14:45] <greyback_> bschaefer: great, thanks
[14:45] <bschaefer> np! Let me know if it works :) should be up to 0.16
[16:57] <alan_g> greyback_: did you happen to discover why CI hates https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/qtmir/test-harness-for-MirWindowManager/+merge/267369?
[16:58] <greyback_> alan_g: no, is mystery to me still
[16:58] <alan_g> np. I'll make a note to look again on Monday
[18:46]  * kdub wonders how qtmir learns of a display off event