[00:00] <Ben64> what is the file
[00:01] <ercx2x> anyone know how I'm supposed to run a script using xdotool? I can't seem to just make a file with commands and type "xdotool filename"
[00:01] <Ben64> ercx2x: man xdotool
[00:03] <ercx2x> that's what I'm reading
[00:04] <ercx2x> it says you can read commands from a file by doing "xdotool filename"
[00:05] <ercx2x> I simply get an unknown command if I type that in my terminal
[00:05] <Ben64> ah ok i get what you're saying now
[00:06] <Ben64> what is in your file
[00:07] <Ben64> and/or what error exactly do you get from trying xdotool filename
[00:07] <ercx2x> I made some progress. I changed the permissions on the file to 777 and simply typed ./filename
[00:07] <ercx2x> the file has xdotool commands inside and it seems to be working
[00:08] <logan0405> hi! anyone on ubuntu 16.10 can test if a bug is reproducible for them? turn on autohide->reveal location left side. then move mouse to the left a bunch of the top left next to the close button. then panel autohide won't work anymore and you need to alt tab
[00:20] <freechoice> anybody who has an experience use SiI 3114 RAID1 on ubuntu... can anybody help me?
[00:20] <ercx2x> crap, can you not do loops in xdotools? I dont see the word loop anywhere in their documentation
[00:20] <ercx2x> https://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/xdotool.xhtml
[00:25] <Jordan_U> freechoice: The general recommendation is to disable FakeRAID and simply use mdraid instead. It is more protable, better supported, and likely more performant as well.
[00:25] <Jordan_U> s/protable/portable/
[00:27] <freechoice> that means use softraid instead of the hardware?
[00:27] <ercx2x> nevermind my previous question i guess i can use sh files and those allow loops
[00:29] <freechoice> @Jordan_U , my raid function is not provided by the motherboard, there's a RAID card provide this function
[00:29] <engpy> Nope it is not config files at /home dir. There are several files and dirs from xchat-gnome in different dirs. I used following command in terminal: find / -name xchat-gnome -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; and getting erros: Premission denied, for each file and dir.
[00:31] <freechoice> I've installed opensuse couple of years before, but now i wanna chage that to ubuntu, and i find that SiI 3114 only provides Redhat/SuSE/United linux drivers
[00:33] <Ben64> freechoice: it's likely in the kernel and will "just work" ... try a livecd to see
[00:33] <engpy> I will restart its system and see if this is a bug or I am really confused why I cant get rid of files :)
[00:34] <freechoice> @Ben64, thanks a lot, pal
[00:41] <engpy> As I predicted ubuntu thought these files were still there when I said find, so I couldn't remove them because they didn't exist, after restarting its system files are gone. Sory for bothering you with it.
[00:42] <freechoice> @ben64: livecd means the desktop image?
[00:43] <Ben64> freechoice: yeah
[00:43] <leptone_> does anyone know a good article the describes how to use upstart to deploy/serve a node.js app?
[00:43] <freechoice> I wanna install a server version, maybe that the server image doesn't provide that
[00:43] <leptone_> im trying to follow this https://gist.github.com/willrstern/3510ecef59c3f76b0152
[00:43] <freechoice> i'll try
[00:44] <leptone_> but im getting this error
[00:44] <leptone_> start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.198" (uid=1000 pid=6580 comm="start node-app ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init ")
[00:49] <Jordan_U> freechoice: Even as a separate card it's still FakeRAID. There is no CPU or RAM on the card performing RAID operations. All the RAID work is done on your CPU, so you might as well do it on the CPU in a better supported, portable, way (mdraid).
[00:50] <freechoice> @Jordan_U: got that , thanks a lot
[00:54] <only> help! non-root user can't upload files in sftp
[00:57] <leptone_> before when i would run <sudo node server.js &> my node process would run in the background and wouldn't be bound to the shell
[00:57] <leptone_> for whatever reason that is no longer the case
[00:58] <leptone_> ie my app goes offline when i close the shell
[00:58] <leptone_> can anyone tell me what might be going on?
[00:58] <leptone_> or how to properly run my node process in the background so it doesn't go down when I close the shell?
[00:59] <tekeli-li>  leptone_ Don't you need nohup?
[01:02] <guardianL_> nohup should work
[01:07] <leptone_> tried using nohop seemed to work
[01:08] <leptone_> found another solution which is to use a module called pm2
[01:08] <leptone_> thx for the responsesn!
[01:21] <gnuser> I long time ago I used a sort of keyboard shortcut  that frozen my keyboard / terminal ... anyone remembers that?
[01:22] <EriC^^> ctrl+s/q
[01:28] <Elion> Hi, how can I troubleshoot my wifi card, downloads drop at 0b/s after a few sec and I loose all network capabilities for a few minutes. Some infos : https://gist.github.com/Nox-404/7645b3b7d6eadac64862fccf14551f31
[01:32] <PickledEggs> Elion: does it happen on all networks?
[01:32] <Elion> yes, but only with the wifi card and only on linux
[01:38] <TikityTik> Can I make a custom shortcut on ubuntu to launch an application with Ctrl+shift+esc?
[01:39] <PickledEggs> Elion: Have you looked at this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/845335/direct-firmware-load-for-iwlwifi-7265d-ucode-failed-with-error-2
[01:40] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: yes, go to settings>keyboard>shortcuts
[01:40] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: make a new shortcut with the application you want to launch
[01:40] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: Well I set it to ctrl+shift+escape but it's not working
[01:40] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: does it work for you?
[01:40] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: then click Disabled and it will prompt for the key combo
[01:41] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: well i set it to ctrl+shift+esc but it still doesn't work
[01:42] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: does that combination work for you?
[01:42] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: let me try
[01:45] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: no, it doesn't seem to
[01:45] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: that's annoying, I wanted to get to get my task manager program bound to ctrl+shift+esc D:
[01:46] <TikityTik> is it a bug?
[01:46] <PickledEggs> unsure, sorry
[01:47] <TikityTik> how can i report it as a bug?
[01:48] <PickledEggs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[01:50] <Orpheon> Hello, I am having trouble with a usb memory stick on 14.04. If I plug it in, it automounts fine and appears on everything including the file browser, however unmounting seems to be impossible. Unmounting from the file browser or Disks completely eliminates the device (the dev device as well), and trying to umount it manually returns no error and even a "umount has successfully unmounted sdc1" but it still shows up as mounted. Running the terminal comma
[01:50] <Orpheon> nd makes the "mounted" icon in the file browser blink, so I'm assuming it's being instantly remounted
[01:50] <tekeli-li> oh, i feel bad
[01:50] <Elion> PickledEggs: I added the missing firmware and it fixed the "Direct firmware load error code -2" error, but I still have the same problem
[01:51] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: seems to be mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/176195 and here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/158855
[01:52] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: Am I able to try to fix it myself and do a commit request?
[01:52] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: It's fine with me :)
[01:52] <TikityTik> PickledEggs: I never did, so I don't know how I would lol
[01:52] <TikityTik> never did that before*
[01:52] <PickledEggs> TikityTik: seriously thought, I don't know much about how to submit upstream
[01:52] <Ziberius> hello
[01:53] <PickledEggs> sorry Elion - I'll keep reading over the logs you posted but nothing else jumps to mind at the moment
[01:54] <Elion> PickledEggs: I understand, I can't find anything about this problem anywhere... And there is almost nothing in the logs beside the "Unsupported splx structure"
[01:55] <Elion> PickledEggs: Thank you for looking into it
[01:55] <Ziberius> hello
[01:55] <Ziberius> I have a problem with cpu speed
[01:56] <Ziberius> when executing cpufreq-info i see: "current policy: frequency should be within 1.10 GHz and 1.10 GHz."
[01:56] <Ziberius> when I used to see within 1.10 GHz and 2.10 GHz
[01:56] <Ziberius> any idea why this is?
[02:00] <jiffe> can I not use my init.d scripts with ub16.04?
[02:00] <freechoice> ubuntu can't install busybox-initramfs, any idea?
[02:00] <PickledEggs> freechoice: you getting errors?
[02:00] <jiffe> I'm getting systemd complaints
[02:01] <freechoice> yep
[02:01] <freechoice> error code 1
[02:02] <freechoice> i think maybe i choose xfs filesystem, but restarted with ext4, the same error occurs
[02:02] <freechoice> mainboard is asus p5q/core 2.4G
[02:03] <jiffe> and if I need to convert this to systemd, I need to be able to convert start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --chroot /var/coins --exec $DAEMON -- -conf=$CONF -datadir=$DATA
[02:03] <freechoice> Asus P5Q/4G MEM/Intel Core 2.4G
[02:04] <jiffe> start-stop-daemon made things real easy, systemd just muddies everything up
[02:08] <PickledEggs> jiffe: what exactly are you getting from systemd?
[02:09] <jiffe> PickledEggs: systemd is intercepting my init.d script
[02:11] <freechoice> 60dmraid returned error code 1
[02:12] <Jordan_U> jiffe: Please pastebin an example command and its output that demonstrates the problem you're seeing. Please also pastebin your init scripts.
[02:12] <jiffe> so with systemd it sounds like chroot isn't necessary?
[02:13] <freechoice> i've tried many times, can anybody help me?
[02:13] <Bashing-om> jiffe: Maybe help here to convert : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[02:14] <PickledEggs> freechoice: I've been trying to research it but not coming up with anything, sorry :(
[02:14] <freechoice> maybe this only appears on multi-byte lauguage system
[02:16] <Jordan_U> freechoice: 60dmraid failing suggests that you're still trying to use FakeRAID. Have you tried configuring your card for JBOD and using mdraid for the RAID1?
[02:16] <freechoice> It shows up when i choose Chinese language, I'll start over using english, will notice later
[02:16] <freechoice> thanks, man, will be back later
[02:17] <nomic> welp - someone changed join status of this- to make it the same as other tech support channnels, where you cannot autojoin
[02:17] <nomic> or there is a delay
[02:17] <nomic> so I will not be helping out here
[02:19] <PickledEggs> nomic: it's always been like that. I think maybe NickServ on freenode is a little slower the past few days. My identify then join #ubuntu connect script hasn't been working right lately either
[02:19] <PickledEggs> but it used to work fine
[02:19] <nomic> yes -- it worked fine
[02:23] <freechoice> everything works fine when i select english at the very first language selection
[02:25] <Richard_Cavell> Is virtualising becoming a standard method of running ubuntu these days?  I want to run Ubuntu on a laptop but I'm worried about compatibility
[02:25] <Richard_Cavell> \
[02:25] <wedgie> Richard_Cavell: i'm running ubuntu on my laptop fwiw
[02:26] <PickledEggs> Richard_Cavell: same
[02:26] <PickledEggs> Richard_Cavell: with no problems with compatibility at all
[02:26] <PickledEggs> Richard_Cavell: but that's not to say that there aren't advantages to running virtual environments over dual booting if you need multiple OSs
[02:26] <wedgie> Richard_Cavell: only complaint I have is that moving back and forthe from the docking station can cause issues (particularly if the machine is suspended in between)
[02:27] <wedgie> running on a ThinkPad T440s
[02:27] <wedgie> *forth
[02:27] <PickledEggs> :( That's not what I wanted to hear, I just got a t530 docking station in the mail yesterday that I was going to set up tonight
[02:27] <PickledEggs> what kind of issues?
[02:28] <Richard_Cavell> I'm inspired (sorry about the pun) by the Dell 15" Inspiron 5000 series
[02:28] <Richard_Cavell> I want to do coding and web browsing, that's all
[02:28] <wedgie> PickledEggs: i'm working on the docking station, suspend the laptop, bring it back up *off* of the docking station, suspend it again, put it back on the docking station, and turn it back on. When it comes back up it often won't display on the external monitors
[02:28] <Richard_Cavell> Loading up Facebook will be the most demanding thing I do on it
[02:29] <wedgie> seems like if i bring it up off of the docking station i have to reboot before it'll use the docking station right again. Not always, but often enough to be a problem
[02:32] <boristheanimal> hi who created ubuntu-mono it looks so nice (:
[02:33] <PickledEggs> wedgie: thanks for the report - annoying but not the end of the world
[02:33] <Jordan_U> nomic: This channel will forward users to #ubuntu-unregged if there is a flood of people trying to join quickly. It's not a prevention against auto-join. If you'd like to discuss this channel's modes feel free to ask us about it in #ubuntu-ops, or discuss it in #ubuntu-offtopic. It annoys me sometimes when I get hit by it as well, but I understand the need for it.
[02:34] <wedgie> PickledEggs: yeah, pretty manageable. But for my use-case it makes suspend basically unusable.
[02:35] <Jordan_U> boristheanimal: http://font.ubuntu.com/about/
[02:35] <xangua> Want the guy that created the elementary icon theme?
[02:35] <boristheanimal> nah im good xangua
[02:36] <Geo> I want to install a new copy of Ubuntu on a blank 2nd HD on my existing server, then copy files from the first HD to the 2nd, power down, remove the 1st HD, then boot to the 2nd HD. Does that plan sound feasible?
[02:36] <wedgie> PickledEggs: and one thing i have found that may come in handy one day: if you ever bring it up on the docking station and it isn't displaying on the external monitors try pressing ctrl+alt+F2 (or anything besides F7) then going back to ctrl+alt+F7. Sometimes that jogs it loose for whatever reason.
[02:36] <xangua> Oh the font, not the icons  :-P
[02:37] <Jordan_U> Geo: Sounds fine to me.
[02:37] <Geo> Cool- And how would I install to the 2nd HD w/o booting from install media?
[02:37] <PickledEggs> Geo: what os are you running now?
[02:37] <Geo> ubuntu
[02:38] <Jordan_U> Geo: Well, I would recommend that you do use Ubuntu's normal install media. There are other options, but it's probably not worth the hassle to use them.
[02:39] <Geo> Jordan_U: and that can be done w/o booting from the cd?
[02:39] <PickledEggs> you could just mount the iso
[02:39] <Geo> /how
[02:40] <Geo> ok
[02:40] <Jordan_U> Geo: Easiest way would be to boot from USB. Second easiest would be to boot the minimal installer kernel and initramfs to perform a netinstall.
[02:40] <freechoice> really weired why shows error when select chinese...
[02:40] <Geo> the goal is not to boot from media
[02:40] <Jordan_U> Geo: Why not?
[02:40] <Geo> mounting sounds right
[02:41] <Jordan_U> PickledEggs: Geo: There is no reasonable way to install Ubuntu that involves mounting the iso while booted from another distro.
[02:43] <PickledEggs> could you install it via KVM then convert the the qcow2 to a raw format?
[02:47] <metaljack34> I just installed ubuntu 16.04, and my bluetooth adapter (Broadcom BCM2045B2) didn't work out of box. I checked additional drivers but it didn't find anything related. How can I install my bluetooth driver?
[02:51] <Geo> Looks like the way to do it is to partiation and basically manually set up most of the filesystem, then update with apt
[02:51] <Geo> *partition
[02:51] <Jordan_U> PickledEggs: If you wanted to use kvm then I would recommend just passing the hard drive as a "raw" drive to qemu-kvm.
[02:53] <Geo> debootstrap
[02:53] <freechoice> does anyone can tell me how to select use seperate home partition during installation?
[02:53] <boristheanimal> xangua: what fonts do you use? :P
[02:53] <freechoice> i can't find such an option or don't know how to turn this option on
[02:54] <cfhowlett> freechoice, manual installation, install "something else" then set up your partitions
[02:54] <xangua> boristheanimal: Ubuntu 🙃
[02:54] <PickledEggs> Jordan_U: interesting,  I have no reason to do it, but curious if it would be possible like that. Seems like the easiest way
[02:54] <Jordan_U> freechoice: I believe to do that you need to use the "something else" option and set the existing volume to have the mountpoint "/home/". Be sure that the check box for "format this volume" is *not* checked.
[02:55] <Jordan_U> PickledEggs: It would indeed work, with a step or two extra required if you are installing for UEFI.
[02:55] <freechoice> thanks,man,i'll try
[03:05] <freechoice> i can't find something else button...
[03:06] <freechoice> ;'(
[03:06] <freechoice> :'(
[03:07] <Jordan_U> freechoice: It's an option early on. If you already selected automatic partitioning then you may need to go back.
[03:08] <freechoice> before that it detect hardware and disks
[03:08] <freechoice> after that it's partition
[03:10] <freechoice> i can't find that in both manual and automatic
[03:10] <cfhowlett> freechoice, see where it asked How Do You Want to Install Ubuntu?  that page.
[03:10] <cfhowlett> OR let ubuntu do all the partitioning and set up /home after you install
[03:10] <freechoice> it show use seperate home partition when i use chinese earlier
[03:10] <freechoice> let me try
[03:10] <cfhowlett> freechoice, strongly suggest you try ubuntu-kylin
[03:11] <cfhowlett> !kylin | freechoice
[03:11] <freechoice> well,there's no problem when i use english
[03:11] <freechoice> i've use linux over 10 years, and i still can't find such an option..
[03:12] <freechoice> :'(
[03:12] <cfhowlett> you can install in English and add Chinese support afterwards
[03:12] <Jordan_U> freechoice: The manual partitioning is the "something else" option.
[03:12] <freechoice> ok,let me try
[03:22] <freechoice> finally i find that...
[03:23] <freechoice> :D,use exeprt mode, everything goes fine ...
[03:24] <Geo> Jordan_U, so if I have my original HD that is/was bootable, and install via media to the 2nd HD- will grub give me the choice of which HD to boot from upon a reboot, when both those disks are present on the system?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> Geo: Yes ,, in the primary system run 'sudo update-grub ' .
[03:28] <Geo> cool
[03:29] <Geo> and just to get a second opinion, although i'm sure Jordan_U is right... from what you know, Bashing-om, there's no easy or guided way to install to that 2nd disk while booted and running from the orginal primary? You need to boot from media?
[03:36] <Bashing-om> Geo: Well, if ya can figure out how to unmount the running partition: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot . I ain't got it figured out to this time .
[03:37] <snowkidind> i have a server instance running on amazon web services. besides setting up a ftp server, is there a way for me to somehow create an alias on my computer here at home where I can directly have access to the files so I  can open them up in my IDE?
[03:37] <snowkidind> I have something similar on my home network using appledouble I just wonder how to do that over public ip
[03:39] <Geo> snowkidind: mount it as a network drive (I think?), or many IDEs allow you to use ssh/scp to access remote files as well
[03:40] <snowkidind> webstorm. i'm looking at the ssh login now
[03:49] <Gorian> say, how would I go about running Ubuntu server in RAM, using a USB stick for storage?
[03:50] <cfhowlett> !persistence | Gorian,
[03:51] <Gorian> I guess. The live CD is HUGE though. Anyway I can make my own?
[03:51] <cfhowlett> !mini | Gorian
[03:51] <Gorian> also, it boots up into a GUI which is a waste
[03:51] <cfhowlett> and of course, you'll want the ubuntu SERVER image, not the desktop
[03:51] <Gorian> but, the Ubuntu server image doesn't have a live cd option...
[03:52] <cfhowlett> install to a USB
[03:52] <Gorian> will it optimize for USB then?
[03:52] <cfhowlett> Gorian, no, it will, technically, run in a USB -- but poorly as is to be expected
[03:53] <Gorian> yeah.
[03:53] <Gorian> I'm thinking more something like SmartOS or Alpine. Boot up, load the OS into memory, grab configurations from USB
[03:53] <Gorian> live cd is too bloated for that, I'm thinking to use as a hypervisor, not testing a PC
[03:54] <Gorian> neither SmartOS nor alpine have packages for OpenStack though
[03:55] <cfhowlett> Gorian, sounds like the type of discussion you should launch in the server channel
[03:55] <Gorian> I guess. It's usually pretty empty in there and I end up coming in here anyway when no one answers :p
[03:56] <Sachiru> OpenStack?
[03:56] <Gorian> yeah
[03:57] <Sachiru> Gorian, Have you taken a look at https://hub.docker.com/r/mikaturunen/alpine-openstack-tools/
[03:58] <Sachiru> You can see how the dockerfile builds the openstack image
[03:59] <Gorian> doesn't look like anything is there - no description and last push was never...
[03:59] <Sachiru> Ah.
[03:59] <Sachiru> Hmm, let me check
[04:00] <Sachiru> To clarify, is this Alpine running on Openstack (as guest), or Alpine running Openstack (as host)?
[04:01] <Gorian> the latter
[04:02] <Gorian> I'm looking for a decent OS to use as a "hypervisor" if you will
[04:02] <Gorian> If I can boot something from USB and run in RAM, I can save all my hot-swap drive slots for storage instead
[04:03] <Gorian> and later move to doing the same thing but booting from a LUN instead
[04:03] <Sachiru> Hmm
[04:04] <Sachiru> SmartOS would be a better fit for you with regards to that
[04:04] <Gorian> SmartOS is pretty much ideal for that, but doesn't have any support for OpenStack
[04:04] <Sachiru> Alpine's virtualization (VM, not containers) is still a bit fiddly. Performant, but fiddly.
[04:05] <Gorian> so, anyway to setup Ubuntu to do what I want?
[04:06] <tekeli-li> Jordan_U, Thank you! "Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found. (0/0/0 errors)"  :-)
[04:18] <mjolnir40k> Hello, I'm having some difficulty with KVM networking with bridges and vlans.  My issue is that the interfaces are set up but the networking service shows as failed in Xenial
[04:19] <mjolnir40k> I'm wondering what the correct method is to configure a bridge on top of a VLAN for KVM use is in Xenial
[04:19] <mjolnir40k> (the bridge may or may not have an IP itself)
[04:36] <cfhowlett> !ping
[04:38] <Geo> I've always used mdadm to manage RAIDs... now I have a SATA card that supports RAID. What are the pros/cons of using the hw card versus continuing with mdadm?
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> Geo: perhaps the ##hardware channel might enlight you on this?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> !raid | Geo read also here
[04:40] <Geo> just curious if folks here had thoughts
[04:42] <TParis> Looking for some help.  For some reason when I use the "mail" command, the system sends an email to the specified email address, but also sends a copy to 6 other email addresses automatically.  What would cause this?
[04:45] <kingfish> hello
[04:45] <kingfish> Anyone on?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> kingfish: 1400 users are
[04:50] <kingfish> Very few seem to be active
[04:50] <Geo> TParis, perhaps you have aliases set up... although I can't remember where/how to check
[04:52] <Bashing-om> kingfish: You got to throw some bait out to get a rise .
[04:53] <kingfish> I have ubuntu runnning on an old laptop. It was working fine, but then it crashed. No biggie, but then I restarted it and it was using something called "Scopes" and seems to think it is a phone?
[04:53] <kingfish> What did I do wrong?
[04:53] <TParis> Geo: Thanks, but the server is being less than helpful so I can't check :(
[04:53] <TParis> "It's never happened before, so it must not be the server"
[04:57] <xangua> kingfish: Ubuntu 16.10?
[04:57] <kingfish> Yeah
[04:58] <xangua> kingfish: sounds like you logged into unity 8 preview, log out and look and select unity 7 instead
[04:59] <kingfish> How do I do that from the command line? It's too laggy to move the mouse
[05:01] <MDTech-us_MAN> hello
[05:01] <MDTech-us_MAN> I have 3 SSDs of identical size
[05:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> I want to install ubuntu on btrfs on all three in RAID 0
[05:02] <MDTech-us_MAN> how can I do this?
[05:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> as far as I understood, I need to have one drive with the /boot partition and the rest as ext4
[05:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> then I have to install ubuntu there
[05:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> and then convert ext4 to btrfs
[05:03] <cfhowlett> !btrfs > MDTech-us_MAN
[05:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> and then add the other 2 drives
[05:03] <cfhowlett> !raid > MDTech-us_MAN
[05:05] <MDTech-us_MAN> I dont want to use fakeraid or lvm
[05:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> the actual question I have is what to do about swap?
[05:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> I got 32 GB of ram
[05:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> and I'd prefer to be able to hibernate
[05:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> should I just create a swap file later on?
[05:09] <kingfish> Yes
[05:10] <kingfish> Different question: apt-get update is stuck at 0% for [waiting for headers]. Clean doesn't fix it, and all the mirrors are correct
[05:10] <MDTech-us_MAN> kingfish: how big should it be?
[05:11] <kingfish> IDK. I'd just guess and check it till it worked
[05:11] <MDTech-us_MAN> lol
[05:11] <MDTech-us_MAN> thx
[05:14] <kushal_kumaran> kingfish: are you able to download the Release file from the mirror yourself? (using your browser or wget/curl, etc.)
[05:14] <kingfish> Yup, no problem.
[05:16] <kingfish> apt-get seems to be the only thing that's failing
[05:54] <Flaz> http://pastebin.com/rv0wc5Lj       Hello everyone, I can not understand the exact name of the package that I have to uninstall when launch apt-purge  tells me that the package does not exist. Thank you
[05:55] <boristheanimal> how do I configure urxvt to make powerline fonts work?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | Flaz
[06:03] <MDTech-us_MAN> hello
[06:06] <MDTech-us_MAN> I created a btrfs filesystem using a live cd that spans 3 ssds
[06:07] <MDTech-us_MAN> in the installer I selected it to install to one of the partitions and put the boot installer on to one of the defices
[06:07] <MDTech-us_MAN> *devices
[06:07] <MDTech-us_MAN> but it said that it failed to install
[06:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> it failed to install the boot loader
[06:08] <MDTech-us_MAN> but the ubuntu install was ok
[06:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> so how do i manually install the raid
[06:09] <Flaz> e problem is not what to do, I know I have to use ppa-purge but which packages to uninstall, relative to the pastebin
[06:09] <MDTech-us_MAN> *how do I manually install the bootloader
[06:21] <OerHeks> Flaz, look at the ppa page https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/lubuntu-daily
[06:22] <OerHeks> sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily
[06:26] <Flaz> OerHeks: problem is not to use ppa, but in this pastebin..to know the exact name of package for purge
[06:26] <Flaz> OerHeks:http://pastebin.com/rv0wc5Lj
[06:28] <OerHeks> Flaz, read again, i gave the whole command
[06:29] <OerHeks> :-(
[06:29] <chapo> exit
[06:31] <Flaz> OerHeks: i'm sorry, thank you..i'm going too speed :-)
[06:31] <freechoice> when i use xfs i can't install grub, what about jfs?
[06:32] <OerHeks> is jfs a filesystem ?
[06:32] <freechoice> yep
[06:33] <freechoice> it's an IBM high performance file system
[06:33] <freechoice> IBM's high-performance journaling filesystem. JFS is a light, fast and reliable B+tree-based filesystem with good performance in various conditions.
[06:35] <freechoice> let me try jfs,if it can't install grub again, only ext4 could be use
[06:36] <OerHeks> freechoice, i have no clue, just curious
[06:36] <freechoice> there's an question, I haven't find reiserFS when i trying to partition my disk
[06:36] <freechoice> why ubuntu doesn't support that filesystem
[06:36] <OerHeks> fancy filesystems, heh
[06:38] <freechoice> fancy means?
[06:39] <Flaz> OerHeks: One more thing, I need a command that displays in the terminal all the *ppa packages installed
[06:39] <freechoice> complicated?
[06:39] <OerHeks> Flaz, hard to do, synaptic has some nice filters to show ppa packages and origin
[06:40] <Flaz> OerHeks: ok Thank
[06:41] <OerHeks> freechoice, reiserfs is controversial, but you know that already
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> !filesystem | freechoice
[06:42] <freechoice> it has high performance when you got many tiny files.
[06:45] <freechoice> :D
[06:45] <freechoice> thanks, pal
[06:51] <freechoice> installed success with jfs
[06:51] <freechoice> trying to boot the system
[06:51] <freechoice> halted
[07:49] <freechoice> when installing ubuntu,it tells me grub has install successed, but when boot system, it halted
[07:50] <freechoice> and when i use rescue system and chroot to the system, it tells me filesystem ext2 doesn't support embedding
[07:50] <freechoice> grub-install :error: will not proceed with blocklists
[07:50] <freechoice> how can i fix this
[07:50] <OerHeks> don't forget to mention you use xfs/reiserfs
[07:51] <freechoice> this time i use ext4
[07:51] <freechoice> everything by default
[07:52] <marrygrim> hello everyone
[07:55] <freechoice> :'(
[07:55] <acicula> freechoice: you cant chroot into the system?
[07:55] <freechoice> i could
[07:55] <marrygrim> anyone here?  I am looking for the ubuntu irc..
[07:55] <acicula> how can i enter a dependency for a script, trying to make sure that smbd doesnt start before libvirt does
[07:55] <acicula> *systemd script
[07:57] <freechoice> i ran grub-install /dev/md126, not the system already booted
[07:57] <freechoice> really weired
[07:57] <acicula> hmm why are you running grub-install though, normally just installing the grub package should setup grub for you
[07:58] <peeyush> how to duel boot ubuntu with windows (uefi )
[07:58] <freechoice> but it tells me everything goes fine
[07:58] <freechoice> when i boot the system, only a cursor shows, nothing more
[07:58] <ikevin> peeyush, you just need to install ubuntu in uefi mode
[07:58] <acicula> !uefi
[07:58] <freechoice> i have to chroot and reinstall that,
[07:59] <freechoice> i've tried many times , till i do it myself, and i almost give up
[07:59] <OerHeks> grub on softwareraid ??
[07:59] <freechoice> yep
[07:59] <acicula> heu, how does that work
[08:00] <peeyush> ikevin, i tried that. i am able to live boot, but unable to install it.
[08:00] <ikevin> peeyush, do you have an error while installing?
[08:02] <freechoice> but the system load seems unnormal
[08:02] <peeyush> ikevin, yes i down't remember the error exactly but it i think it says the iso has errors.
[08:03] <ikevin> peeyush, verify it with the m5d sum
[08:03] <peeyush> i redownloaded the iso , and still the error persists
[08:03] <freechoice> i haven't run anything, the system load could be 2.75
[08:03] <peeyush> ok il try that
[08:03] <freechoice> that's abs wrong
[08:03] <acicula> there is a test media option in the cd's boot menu, or verify installation media, something to that effect
[08:03] <OerHeks> freechoice, 'freechoice> when i boot the system, only a cursor shows,' sounds like you need nomodeset
[08:03] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[08:04] <freechoice> nomodset means what?
[08:04] <hateball> freechoice: high load can be due to disk i/o also, is your HDD alright?
[08:05] <freechoice> add shows ok
[08:06] <OerHeks> nomodeset disables some powermanagment stuff in your GPU
[08:06] <freechoice> :(
[08:07] <freechoice> but when i use rescue disk chroot and reinstall grub, it finally works...
[08:07] <freechoice> weierdo..
[08:08] <freechoice> weirdo
[08:08] <freechoice> md126_resync   that cost system load
[08:11] <acicula> maybe disk has issues?
[08:12] <freechoice> nope
[08:12] <freechoice> i have run opensuse for many years on this machine
[08:12] <freelancerbob> hi need help to change password to root
[08:12] <freelancerbob> i have problem
[08:13] <freelancerbob> is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:13] <ikevin> freelancerbob, sudo password
[08:13] <freelancerbob> is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:13] <ikevin> if your not in the sudoers, you need to use a live session + chroot to change the password
[08:14] <freelancerbob> ikevin: i will try btw i am ubuntu newbie
[08:14] <freelancerbob> ikevin: i will try live session but what i have fix and where ?
[08:14] <OerHeks> !root
[08:14] <ikevin> boot on an ubuntu usb stick and come here again, i'll give you the commands you need
[08:15] <freelancerbob> ok i have kali on usb :)
[08:15] <freelancerbob> let me try
[08:15] <freelancerbob> will come back
[08:15] <ikevin> 'k
[08:20] <DK2> what is better to do a quicl ful
[08:21] <DK2> quick full backup : rsync oder dd in rescue?
[08:21] <DK2> any disadvantages when doing a fullback via rsync?
[08:25] <acicula> DK2: rsync copies and checks, dd just copies blocks.
[08:25] <acicula> and makes a raw copy of whatever you tell it to copy
[08:25] <acicula> so very different beasts
[08:26] <acicula> what are you trying to achieve exactly?
[08:26] <DK2> i need to clone a system to anothere
[08:26] <DK2> another*
[08:26] <DK2> clone a system to another server i mean
[08:27] <SwedeMike> DK2: I typically just dd one drive to another if the new drive is larger than the older one.
[08:27] <SwedeMike> DK2: boot off of usb stick (live), dd old drive to new drive, then jsut take new drive and use it
[08:27] <DK2> ye - but rsync is faster in this case i guess?
[08:28] <OerHeks> dd is faster.
[08:28] <SwedeMike> DK2: could be, could not be, depends. dd also brings you boot blocks and partition tables over, rsync doesn't do that.
[08:28] <OerHeks> 1 sequential file or tons of small files..
[08:28] <SwedeMike> OerHeks: but if the drive is 5% full, rsync is going to be faster.
[08:29] <SwedeMike> so as always "depends"
[08:29] <DK2> the problem with the partition table is, i also need to migrate it from a software raid to a hw raid one
[08:30] <OerHeks> I don't agree, one does not dd to a partition like rsync, but to empty space
[08:32] <acicula> i think he meant that dd will copy over used and unused space if you tell it to copy a raw drive, rsync will just copy data
[08:32] <DK2> ya - i still think the problem factor is the software raid
[08:33] <DK2> so rsync should be better, as i need to prebuild the system
[08:33] <acicula> DK2: how is the raid setup?
[08:33] <acicula> DK2: rsync is the safe bet in this case
[08:39] <TomyWork> I'm using "xrandr --output DP-0 --auto --pos 1920x0 --output eDP-1 --auto --pos 0x120 --primary" (auto being 1920x1080 on eDP-1 and 1920x1200 on DP-0) to set up my display parameters. eDP-1's background black (it should be my wallpaper with some icons on it) and it's not possible to maximize windows there by dragging them to the top of the screen. What I do notice is this line in "xrandr" output: "Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 3840 x 1200, maximum 16384
[08:39] <TomyWork> x 16384"
[08:43] <TomyWork> How do i get windows maximized on eDP-1 again?
[08:48] <freelancerbob> i a,m here ikevin
[08:48] <AppAraat> hi. Interestingly enough, the "at" program is not installed here (14.04). Why is that though? IIRC it's a pretty essential UNIX tool.
[08:49] <ikevin> freelancerbob, open a terminal as root, type: mkdir ~/tmp
[08:49] <ikevin> freelancerbob, next, mount /dev/your_hard_disk ~/tmp
[08:50] <ikevin> freelancerbob, next, mount -o bind /dev ~/tmp/dev
[08:50] <ikevin> freelancerbob, next, mount -t proc proc ~/tmp/proc
[08:50] <ikevin> freelancerbob, next, chroot ~/tmp
[08:50] <ikevin> freelancerbob, next, password
[08:50] <ikevin> passwd*
[09:03] <acicula> AppAraat: its not really used anymore in any system managment scripts, you can still install it if you want
[09:04] <acicula> AppAraat: though its installed by default on my ubuntu-server?
[09:04] <AppAraat> acicula: interesting, so what is the alternative these days?
[09:05] <acicula> AppAraat: no alternative, you can install it and use it if you want, just that im not aware of it being used as part of the system
[09:06] <AppAraat> ah ok, it's just that sometimes I have to attend offline systems, but then again I can also make an image using something like remastersys.
[09:06] <AppAraat> (with all necessary packages installed in the image)
[09:06] <acicula> AppAraat: if its not installed you can just pull in the package, its installed by default on ubuntu-server it seems
[09:07] <AppAraat> you can't pull in a package when offline though :p
[09:14] <acicula> there is that
[09:14] <freelancerbob> ikevin: how i found out my HDD ? mount /dev/your_hard_disk ~/tmp
[09:15] <acicula> AppAraat: can put the debs on an image or make a custom image, but again, on my ubuntu-server it appears to be there
[09:16] <acicula> and its pulled in by ubuntu-server
[09:16] <hateball> freelancerbob: "sudo fdisk -l" will list disks/partitions
[09:16] <ikevin> freelancerbob, boot your ubuntu, do and take a look at /etc/fstab to see which partition is used for / (a thing like /dev/sd?? or UUID=???)
[09:17] <ikevin> if you only have 1 disk and no dual boot, it's often /dev/sda1
[09:18] <hateball> freelancerbob: "sudo blkid" will list the UUID for partitions, if you are unsure or want to compare to /etc/fstab entries
[09:21] <AppAraat> acicula: yeah, I might based my image on that since most of the things I do is over CLI, but for sure I have to test it first.
[09:21] <freelancerbob> ikevin next: chroot ~/tmp chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Exec format err
[09:26] <loodoons> Hello
[09:28] <freelancerbob> ikevin: any idea now ?
[09:31] <freelancerbob> seems that i have different architecture chroot ~/tmp chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Exec format err
[09:36] <freelancerbob> hateball: do you know why chroot not working and how to fix it ?
[09:38] <samgoody> Hi. My /home/ME/.local/share folder is owned by root:root and this is causing issues with npm.
 ikevin next: chroot ~/tmp chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Exec format err <== it's maybe a 32b / 64b problem
[09:38] <samgoody> Is there any reason not to set that to be owned by ME:ME?
[09:38] <ikevin> freelancerbob, if your ubuntu is 64b, you need to use a 64b live session
[09:38] <ikevin> samgoody, it will be owned by you:you
[09:39] <freelancerbob> ikevin: oki i will to restart
[09:39] <samgoody> ikevin, are you saying that is a good or bad thing?
[09:40] <samgoody> I would think that I should own everything in ~/.local but don't know how this came to be owned by root
[09:40] <ikevin> samgoody, all files in user home need to be owned by user
[09:40] <ikevin> samgoody, maybe you have used a program as root using sudo
[09:41] <samgoody> OK< so good. Will change it, thanks. Also what should be the perms of the ~/.local/share folder - 775?
[09:41] <ikevin> i have 755
[09:41] <ikevin> drwxr-xr-x 25 kevin kevin 4096 déc.   7 10:11 share/
[09:44] <ultrav1olet> Does anyone here run Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS?
[09:45] <ultrav1olet> Can you real quick upload tar -cf /etc/apt somewhere?
[09:45] <ultrav1olet> For some reasons my system does _not_ update the kernel and I'm mighty worried
[09:46] <samgoody> Thanks a lot.
[09:48] <blackflow> How do I designate my own bind9 service as system resolver, in 16.10? Setting it as DNS server in the network connection, and setting the connection to DHCP (Address only) does not do it.
[09:48] <blackflow> systemd-resolved is broken. many domains can't be resolved by it, happily resolved by bind.
[09:49] <blackflow> adding my bind server to DNS= entry of systemd/resolved.conf helps in a way, but then the "search" domain in resolv.conf is not considered
[09:50] <_Rarity> In the user $HOME directory, I have a ".local" folder, using 29G. Since this is data used by programs, how do I safely clean-up this directory?
[09:51] <blackflow> I am thoroughly sick of this so called "progress" of shitstemd breaking things that worked for decades. I gave it ample chance to prove itself, thinking all software has bugs, but this is beyond ridiculous. more things at random are broken more and more with every release.
[09:51] <ikevin> blackflow, how did you setup your network? using network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:51] <blackflow> ikevin: network manager
[09:51] <ikevin> _Rarity, some tools like thunderbird or browser use a lot of space, clean the cache from software
[09:52] <blackflow> ikevin: in 16.04 adding my DNS to the "DNS" field of the network connection worked perfectly. Not any more in 16.10
[09:52] <ikevin> blackflow, i'm not currently under ubuntu, so in network-manager gui you can specify your dns server
[09:52] <ikevin> oh !
[09:52] <blackflow> ikevin: yes, and it doesn't work
[09:52] <ikevin> try using solution with /etc/network/interfaces
[09:53] <ultrav1olet> Does anyone here run Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS? Can you real quick upload tar -cf /etc/apt somewhere?
[09:53] <ikevin> do you see your dns ip in /etc/resolve.conf ?
[09:53] <ikevin> ultrav1olet, i think you can find it on internet if nobody here can't give you that
[09:54] <_Rarity> ikevin: Ok, I will look into that. I assume the programs should run fine after that?
[09:54] <blackflow> ikevin: no, only <IP_ADDRESS> (systemd-resolved) is in resolv.conf. I tried even that route, as resolved.conf can specify the DNS server to query. It then DOES resolve through my Bind, but then "search" entries of resolv.conf are not working......
[09:55] <ultrav1olet> ikevin: I can install Ubuntu in a VM but that's freaking inconvenient and time consuming
[09:55] <blackflow> ikevin: of course if I put my own nameserver there it'll get randomly overwritten
[09:55] <ikevin> _Rarity, it depend of program
[09:56] <ikevin> blackflow, normaly, system use entry in /etc/resolv.conf
[09:56] <ikevin> you can see what is used with dig
[09:56] <ikevin> like in my case: dig google.com, and i can see: ;; SERVER: <IP_ADDRESS>#53(<IP_ADDRESS>)
[09:58] <blackflow> ikevin: I know all that. :)
[09:58] <OerHeks> ultrav1olet, get the package from launchpad? really odd to ask for tar -cf /etc/apt
[09:58] <blackflow> ikevin: I wouldn't be cryin' here if I didn't. that's the thing. things that normally work are now thoroughly broken in 16.10.
[09:58] <aaran> Hi, I have to deploy ubuntu to a bunch of machines, around 5-10, what are my options for this other than MAAS or walking to each one with a USB stick ?
[09:59] <ikevin> blackflow, i never tryed with 16.10
[09:59] <ikevin> aaran, netinstall + pxe
[10:00] <ikevin> aaran, for bandwith saving, you can setup a small repo on your local network
[10:00] <OerHeks> !landscape
[10:01] <ultrav1olet> OerHeks: Really odd when you're stupid as fuck. /etc/apt is generated during install, you cannot extract it from apt.deb or any other package
[10:01] <OerHeks> and my ignore list growes
[10:02] <ultrav1olet> Yeah, that's the mark of a stupid person. Someone shares a different point of view? He has facts against my beliefs? Let's ignore him!
[10:03] <ikevin> ultrav1olet, i think kernel update are on security repo, check if you have it enabled
[10:04] <ultrav1olet> ikevin: my servers still on 4.2.0-42-generic which is wrong absolutely wrong and `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` offers zero new packages
[10:04] <ultrav1olet> my hoster f*cked up the installation images
[10:04] <ikevin> do you use the officials repo?
[10:04] <ultrav1olet> Now I'm trying to understand what he borked in /etc/apt
[10:05] <ultrav1olet> Nope, not possible in my case. Servers are 4000 miles away from me.
[10:05] <ikevin> some hoster replace official repo by local repo to save bp
[10:05] <ultrav1olet> I'm not against saving bw
[10:05] <ultrav1olet> bandwitdh
[10:05] <ultrav1olet> I'm against f*cking /etc/apt up
[10:06] <ikevin> so, maybe installing a minimal ubuntu in a vm can help you to save time
[10:06] <ultrav1olet> that's what I'm doing right now
[10:06] <ultrav1olet> I'm just appalled that no one in this channel could help me
[10:06] <blackflow> ultrav1olet: OVH?
[10:06] <ultrav1olet> 300 dead souls?
[10:06] <ultrav1olet> No one is running  Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS?
[10:06] <_Rarity> ikevin: All right. Thanks for the answer :)
[10:07] <ikevin> _Rarity, you welcom
[10:07] <ikevin> +e
[10:08] <Ben64> ultrav1olet: what exactly is messed up
[10:08] <ultrav1olet> my servers don't get kernel updates at all
[10:08] <ultrav1olet> My hoster f*cked up /etc/apt
[10:08] <Ben64> stop with the language
[10:08] <ultrav1olet> sorry
[10:08] <Ben64> what kernel are you on
[10:09] <ultrav1olet> 4.2.0-42-generic
[10:09] <hateball> ultrav1olet: here is an easy way to generate a new sources.list if that's the issue https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[10:09] <nacc> ultrav1olet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23592745/ ?
[10:10] <hateball> ultrav1olet: otherwise just make sure you have lines for main and security
[10:10] <Ben64> ultrav1olet: how have you tried to get a new kernel
[10:10] <ultrav1olet> hateball: already installed Ubuntu server in a VM
[10:10] <ultrav1olet> everyone has been so helpful it was easier and faster than waiting for help
[10:10] <Skizu> I'm running ubuntu and looking to monitor some HTTP network traffic, basically want to see url and response time, anyone know of a program to do that?
[10:10] <nacc> ultrav1olet: what is in your /etc/apt now?
[10:10] <ultrav1olet> also I don't quite trust some random websites on the internet
[10:11] <hateball> ...
[10:11] <ikevin> ultrav1olet, i think ubuntu server is not the most used, and 14.* are old, this is why you have difficulty to have help
[10:11] <Ben64> but you'd trust a random person here to give you /etc/apt?
[10:11] <ultrav1olet> Ben64: diff -u would be quite telling
[10:11] <nacc> ikevin: FUD.
[10:11] <ikevin> Skizu, wireshark
[10:11] <Ben64> well if yours is messed up, how would you know
[10:11] <ultrav1olet> I'm not that stupid to install someone else's apt without checking
[10:12] <Ben64> how would you know what proper looks like
[10:12] <nacc> ultrav1olet: you've been provided it now, from the lxd ubuntu trusty image
[10:12] <ultrav1olet> Mine is indeed messed up but I understand the structure of /etc/apt files
[10:12] <ikevin> nacc, ?
[10:12]  * nacc still has no idea what 'messed up' means, and sounds like the hoster should not be used, if so
[10:12] <Ben64> yeah they could give you one that works fine, but gives you exploited packages
[10:12] <ultrav1olet> Yeah, spent an hour downloading an image and installing it in a VM. So freaking amazing.
[10:12] <hateball> Skizu: do you want to run it in the background and log all your traffic, or just test certain sites?
[10:13] <ultrav1olet> Ben64: there can be no exploits in /etc/apt unless you're terminally stupid
[10:13] <nacc> ikevin: 'ubuntu server is not most used' -- not true. '14.* are old' -- not true and doesn't matter, still supported
[10:13] <Ben64> ultrav1olet: you're ignorant
[10:14] <Skizu> hateball: Just want to run it for a certain thing, I've an application I'm building and it's one of it's requirements that handled the requests, so want to see which part of my application is lagging
[10:14] <ultrav1olet> Nope, I've been administrating dozens of servers for over 15 years. Never been hacked or powned
[10:14] <hateball> Skizu: curl is not enough?
[10:14] <ultrav1olet> But you're free to say what you want
[10:15] <Skizu> Nah, it's huge :P like 2000 requests in this thing
[10:15] <Skizu> HAL apis... yay
[10:15] <ikevin> nacc, i use ubuntu server for some specific things, so, redhat or debian are most used, and since new LTS, 14.* are old
[10:15] <enceladu5> What would be the best way to log activity in linux for a machine learning algorithm?
[10:16] <enceladu5> I'd like to see if I can learn my daily morning routine on my computer
[10:16] <hateball> Skizu: What are you serving it with? Apache or nginx? They should have logs themselves
[10:16] <hateball> Skizu: Otherwise I suppose you can use something like tcpflow
[10:16] <enceladu5> I'm guessing I would have to set triggers on specific applications etc./
[10:16] <Skizu> tcpflow doesn't have response time
[10:17] <nacc> ikevin: right, it's FUD to say your particular choices are ubuntu. 14.04.5 released only a few months ago.
[10:18] <ikevin> nacc, new release don't mean it's up to date
[10:18] <nacc> ikevin: it's fine. I'm saying that's not an accurate response IMO, for the support channel.
[10:18] <nacc> ikevin: and regardless, my first point is still valid. Just because you don't use ubuntu server does not mean it's not used.
[10:19] <ultrav1olet> Ubuntu is amazing: http://askubuntu.com/questions/441619/how-to-successfully-restart-a-network-without-reboot-over-ssh
[10:19] <ikevin> i use it (as desktop and on some servers)
[10:19] <hateball> Skizu: Hmmm, there's no parsing for pcaps in Wireshark then?
[10:19] <ultrav1olet> No way to restart networking without doing some dirty tricks
[10:19] <ultrav1olet> or running ifconfig/route/ip command manually
[10:19] <ultrav1olet> wow
[10:20] <ikevin> nacc, i just said to ultrav1olet that for some reasons having support for ubuntu server 14 is more diffucult than having support for 16.10 desktop
[10:21] <nacc> ikevin: and i'm saying to you that i think your assertion is wrong, your reasons seem inaccurate to me and are not particularly helpful. Also, there is an #ubuntu-server channel for server discussion/support. Moving on.
[10:24] <Skizu> hateball: Never used wireshark, can't see anything about it being able to report on request time
[10:26] <inerkick> Hi.. Can anyone help me to install Java8.1
[10:27] <inerkick> I couldn't find any details online to go for it.
[10:27] <Queenslayer> is there a gaming edition of ubuntu?
[10:28] <Ben64> no
[10:28] <mcphail> Queenslayer: there isn't an official Ubuntu gaming flavour, anyway. Someone may have made one, but wouldn't be supported here
[10:28] <inerkick> Java 1.8 .. I'm sorry
[10:29] <nacc> inerkick: 1.8?? java is 7.0, 8.0, 9.0 (in development), righ tnow
[10:29] <ultrav1olet> Does apt have any settings beside /etc/apt?
[10:29] <inerkick> I was trying to install pycharm. It says I got java 1.7 and needed 1.8
[10:29] <Nitrogen> guys, i can't get permanent module load on system startup. i'm using b43 driver for my wifi and added it to /etc/modules, but it has no visible effect. altho i can still manually load it with modprobe. running 16.04.1 LTS.
[10:30] <inerkick> couldn't get how to go for it nacc
[10:30] <nacc> inerkick: please pastebin the exact command used and output. Also, wht version of ubuntu?
[10:30] <ultrav1olet> I've just synced my servers' /etc/apt to the official apt configuration and apt-get upgrade still does _not_ offer to update the kernel!
[10:30] <ultrav1olet> What the hell?
[10:30] <inerkick> Ubuntu 14.04
[10:30] <mcphail> nacc: Isn't java 1.8 == java 8? I thought they had funny versioning like that
[10:31] <Queenslayer> mcphail: someone has been telling me porkies then
[10:31] <nacc> ultrav1olet: please provide the output of `apt update; apt-cache policy linux-image-generic (or whatever the kernel package is you're using)`
[10:31] <nacc> ultrav1olet: in a pastebin
[10:31] <Queenslayer> I could have sworn there wasn't one that would "support all games"
[10:31] <Icekapade> hello fellow hackers
[10:32] <Icekapade> how dose i login as root from the gooey
[10:32] <nacc> mcphail: oh i see, yes, 8.0u111 is at run time (java -showversion): 1.8.0_111
[10:32] <inerkick> nacc, i686
[10:32] <inerkick> nacc, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23592792/
[10:32] <nacc> inerkick: no java8 in trusty
[10:33] <nacc> mcphail: thanks for that catch :)
[10:33] <mcphail> nacc: np. I think the java world is a bit daft
[10:33] <ultrav1olet> nacc: http://pastebin.com/raw/hkKdHgaf
[10:33] <nacc> mcphail: without a doubt :)
[10:34] <inerkick> lol. So I need to download that version and install?
[10:34] <Nitrogen> Queenslayer, perhaps you're referring to SteamOS, but it's a hoax :) any linux will start to 'support all games' as soon as gamedev would care to support linux
[10:34] <Icekapade> hello??
[10:34] <Icekapade> pls helps me
[10:34] <ultrav1olet> `dpkg -l | grep linux-image` gives this http://pastebin.com/raw/bz9329qL
[10:35] <nacc> ultrav1olet: that doesn't seem to include the `apt update` output? or is truncated? Ok, so you're not using the generic kernel on that system.
[10:35] <nacc> ultrav1olet: right, so you've told your system to use the 14.04.4 kernel
[10:35] <Queenslayer> Nitrogen: that's exactly what I thought, it's the nature of Linux to be able to configure any edition if the support is reciprocated
[10:35] <ultrav1olet> I skipped it
[10:35] <nacc> ultrav1olet: which is no longer supported
[10:35] <hateball> Skizu: as it logs all tcp traffic I think it should. If you run a trace and save, then you have Statistics -> HTTP
[10:35] <ultrav1olet> How can I install a supported/maintained kernel then?
[10:35] <hateball> Skizu: cant say I've tried it myself tho, just airing ideas :)
[10:36] <nacc> ultrav1olet: try `apt install linux-image-generic-lts-xenial`
[10:36] <mcphail> Queenslayer: base Ubuntu is the best supported gaming distro. Valve and GOG both refer to Ubuntu
[10:36] <nacc> ultrav1olet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack the 14.04 section
[10:36] <Queenslayer> good to know
[10:36] <ultrav1olet> nacc: thanks, that's awesome!
[10:36] <nacc> ultrav1olet: your hoster is not following the recommended default packages, i assume.
[10:37] <ultrav1olet> nacc: think so
[10:37] <nacc> ultrav1olet: and if you run `hwe-support-status --verbose` on your system, i *think* it might have complained, but i'm not sure
[10:37] <ultrav1olet> now that I've installed linux-image-generic-lts-xenial, how can I be sure my system will reboot into this kernel by default?
[10:37] <nacc> ultrav1olet: note that 16.04.x is solving this differently
[10:37] <Queenslayer> mcphail: I always wondered why Ubuntu haven't made a dedicated effort for the gaming community to make a distro that could work from first installation
[10:37] <nacc> ultrav1olet: there, it will be a rolling hwe kernel
[10:38] <nacc> ultrav1olet: which you can see on that wiki page in the pictures
[10:38] <ultrav1olet> nacc: it says The following packages are no longer supported linux-image-extra-4.2.0-42-generic linux-image-generic-lts-wily linux-image-4.2.0-42-generic. Please upgrade them to a supported HWE stack or remove them if you no longer need them.
[10:38] <nacc> ultrav1olet: ah nice, that's the issue you are hitting :)
[10:38] <ultrav1olet> also WARNING: Security updates for your current Hardware Enablement Stack ended on 2016-08-04:
[10:39] <nacc> ultrav1olet: yep, not good :)
[10:39] <ultrav1olet> nacc: what's the command to officially switch to something supported?
[10:39] <nacc> ultrav1olet: i think that wiki page had it, let me look
[10:39] <nacc> ultrav1olet: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial
[10:39] <ultrav1olet> I've already done `apt install linux-image-generic-lts-xenial` but I guess that's no enough
[10:39] <nacc> ultrav1olet: yeah, so that just updated the kernel image
[10:39] <nacc> ultrav1olet: and well, you haen't rebooted yet, so you're not yet on a supported image
[10:41] <nacc> ultrav1olet: i thinkyou want `grub-set-default` with the right arguments
[10:42] <Icekapade> fuck you guys
[10:42] <Icekapade> freebsd 4 lyf
[10:42] <Icekapade> only lowies use ubuntu
[10:42] <Icekapade> its for fags
[10:42] <Icekapade> cya cunts
[10:43] <nacc> ultrav1olet: to find the name to use, you can `grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg` after you're up to date
[10:45] <ultrav1olet> nacc: already checked that file - the new kernel is default
[10:46] <ultrav1olet> I'll now have to convince the management to reboot the affected server
[10:46] <ultrav1olet> servers
[10:46] <ultrav1olet> actually there are several
[10:48] <ultrav1olet> nacc: thanks a ton!
[10:50] <nacc> ultrav1olet: yw
[10:50] <nacc> ultrav1olet: you might want to convince the mgmt (presuming you men the hoster) to fix their image, more importantly
[10:50] <nacc> ultrav1olet: their customers are getting an unsupported OS by default
[10:50] <ultrav1olet> nacc: that's hetzner actually, you might have heard about them ))
[10:51] <ultrav1olet> yep, and now this kernel has at least four local root vulnerabilities
[10:51] <nacc> ultrav1olet: right, no security fixes for that kernel, of course (but the xenial one is security supported)
[10:51] <ultrav1olet> I might write them a letter but I'm too lazy for that
[10:52] <ultrav1olet> some other day
[10:52] <ikevin> ultrav1olet, what is your hoster? ovh?
[10:53] <bazhang> ikevin, please take the chit chat to the offtopic channel, thanks
[11:11] <morfin> hello
[11:11] <morfin> Ubuntu still using Xorg?
[11:11] <EriC^^> morfin: yes
[11:11] <morfin> I thought they moved to Mira :(
[11:12] <morfin> or Wayland
[11:12] <EriC^^> in 16.10 you can test out unity8 which uses mir i think, it'll be in future releases i guess
[11:12] <kbob> hello, which package I need to install to start compiling?
[11:13] <nacc> kbob: 'build-essential' ?
[11:13] <OerHeks> kbob, build-essentials
[11:13] <kbob> yes
[11:13] <OerHeks> !build-essentials
[11:13] <kbob> , thanks
[11:13] <Orpheon> Hello, I had a 4 TB hard drive with a bunch of data on it, and due to a mishap of mine accidently dd'd a ubuntu live iso on the start, and due to a second mistake accidently booted off it, which created a few extra megabytes of swap space. How likely is it that I'll be able to recover the data that wasn't overwritten through gpart or similar? And what would be the recommended way to do so?
[11:13] <morfin> 16.10 hmm
[11:13] <morfin> i use LTS
[11:14] <TomyWork> hi nacc
[11:14] <nacc> TomyWork: hello!
[11:14] <TomyWork> unfortunately your patch didnt work (or i dont remember the steps to take after installing it)
[11:14] <TomyWork> i built it myself after i noticed i can just enable the deb-src entry and apt-get source it
[11:15] <OerHeks> Orpheon, testdisk is my 1st choice, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[11:15] <Orpheon> what would happen if I just overwrote the MBR with what I assume was the filesystem type? Would it just break for the first 1.5 gigabytes that are overwritten and work for the rest, or would the initial errors break everything and the result be useless?
[11:15] <OerHeks> you would need sufficient space to write the lost data to.
[11:16] <nacc> TomyWork: sorry, totally missing context
[11:16] <nacc> TomyWork: i work on a lot of bugs :)
[11:16] <TomyWork> oh, of course :D
[11:16] <TomyWork> i was the one with the dell laptop whose bluetooth didnt work
[11:16] <EriC^^> you can test it in 16.04 too but you need to install some packages, i wouldn't recommend it though
[11:16] <TomyWork> you sent me a patch where you added the usb device id to btusb.c
[11:17] <Orpheon> OerHeks: testdisk found nothing on its quick search, is that a sign that I'm doomed or should I bite the bullet and run the deeper search (something that I'm assuming will take ages)?
[11:17] <EriC^^> kbob: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:17] <nacc> TomyWork: do you have a link to the patch, might help refresh my memory :)
[11:17] <nacc> TomyWork: oh right, i submitted the ppa build, but i think it kept timing out?
[11:17] <TomyWork> https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1382490
[11:17] <TomyWork> yep
[11:17] <TomyWork> i built it locally and installed it
[11:18] <TomyWork> but bt-adapter -l still showed no devices
[11:18] <OerHeks> Orpheon, yes, deep search might give some data back, no guarantee though
[11:18] <Orpheon> ok
[11:18] <EriC^^> Orpheon: do you have a saved paste of sudo parted -l or so?
[11:18] <EriC^^> maybe somebody here asked you once to pastebin it?
[11:19] <Orpheon> of before? No
[11:19] <nacc> TomyWork: looking, one sec
[11:19] <EriC^^> Orpheon: try testdisk's deeper search
[11:19] <EriC^^> it usually finds a bunch of stuff in the first minute
[11:19] <Orpheon> is there a way to skip the quicksearch?
[11:20] <Orpheon> and go straight to deepsearch?
[11:20] <EriC^^> Orpheon: yeah, press enter
[11:20] <EriC^^> also with the deeper search you can stop it with enter and use whatever it found already
[11:20] <nacc> TomyWork: do you have a link or pastebin of thep atch itself?
[11:20] <nacc> *the patch
[11:37] <TomyWork> nacc uh not sure... this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23593042/
[11:37] <TomyWork> i dont know how to get the patch set in a structured way
[11:38] <TomyWork> i only have the .diff.gz that apt-get source downloaded
[11:56] <freelancerbob> ikevin: hi, i am back
[11:56] <freelancerbob> ikevin: now i have problem with sudoers
[11:59] <freelancerbob> ikevin: how can i fix it ? add user to sudoers or something
[12:00] <ikevin> freelancerbob, return to chroot, and type: addgroup admin <your user>
[12:00] <freelancerbob> ikevin: and what about this ? sudo adduser <username> sudo
[12:01] <ikevin> addgroup if sufficient, so, while you apply a new group, you need to disconnect and reconnect
[12:02] <TomyWork> nacc i remember you telling me a bunch of commands to try, beyond "bt-adapter -l". what else can i try to see at which point in the chain it breaks?
[12:03] <ikevin> freelancerbob, don't use group sudo, use admin
[12:03] <EriC^^> ikevin: there isn't an admin group in ubuntu i think
[12:03] <EriC^^> there's sudo and adm for access to logs
[12:04] <freelancerbob> what i meaning of this ?
[12:04] <freelancerbob> root@kali:/# getent group sudo sudo:x:27:martin,tradmin
[12:05] <bazhang> freelancerbob, is that kali linux
[12:05] <freelancerbob> what is command to list user with their groups ?
[12:05] <freelancerbob> users
[12:06] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: groups <user>
[12:06] <bazhang> freelancerbob, is that kali linux
[12:06] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: it means martic and tradmin are in the sudo group
[12:07] <freelancerbob> EriC^^:  root@kali:/# groups tradmin tradmin : martin sudo
[12:07] <freelancerbob> I do not have user martin
[12:07] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: try grep martic /etc/passwd
[12:07] <EriC^^> *matrin
[12:07] <EriC^^> (why do i keep typing martic)
[12:07] <TomyWork> *ericcanttype
[12:08] <EriC^^> :D
[12:08] <freelancerbob> tradmin:x:1000:1000:Uzivatel:/home/martin:/bin/bash
[12:08] <engpy> You have thing for Martic :)
[12:09] <freelancerbob> how i rename user tradmin to someone else ?
[12:10] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: create a new account and copy the files, it's easier and less headachy i guess
[12:11] <EriC^^> sudo mv /home/martin /home/martin.backup
[12:11] <freelancerbob> EriC^^:  why i have there Martin ??? > root@kali:/# groups tradmin tradmin : martin sudo
[12:11] <EriC^^> then create the user and move the files back to /home/martin
[12:11] <djovic_> or use this: sudo usermod -l <newname> -d <newname> <oldname>
[12:12] <djovic_> should copy your home folder also to the new name
[12:12] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: no idea, you have a martin group maybe? try grep martin /etc/group
[12:12] <djovic_> or rather move it
[12:13] <freelancerbob> root@kali:/#  grep martin /etc/group adm:x:4:syslog,martin cdrom:x:24:martin sudo:x:27:martin,tradmin dip:x:30:martin plugdev:x:46:martin lpadmin:x:113:martin martin:x:1000: sambashare:x:128:martin
[12:13] <freelancerbob> och
[12:13] <freelancerbob> martin:x:1000:
[12:14] <freelancerbob> this line is there
[12:14] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:14] <zamba> in the process of installing ubuntu i accidentally disconnected the cd-rom
[12:14] <zamba> how can i attach it again?
[12:14] <ablest> eric i got nes name for you
[12:14] <zamba> now i just get lots of "Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu-Server 16.04.1 LTS" ... messages
[12:14] <zamba> can i manually mount it?
[12:14] <freelancerbob> zamba: install it from usb :)
[12:15] <ablest> generic
[12:15] <zamba> freelancerbob: i'd rather not restart the whole installation process
[12:15] <EriC^^> ablest: that doesn't make sense :P
[12:15] <freelancerbob> EriC^^: why i then getting user tradmin is not in sudoers ?
[12:15] <ablest> gen"eric"
[12:15] <ablest> :)
[12:16] <EriC^^> :P
[12:17] <Ben64> kali?
[12:17] <freelancerbob> EriC^^: let me restart PC and get from live-kali to installed ubuntu
[12:17] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: ok
[12:18] <gaybottom> I had a boyfriend named "Ubuntu" once.  he would "play the bongos" on my ass.  I was 14 he was 44
[12:18] <rommel> zamba if this happened during the install just start over
[12:28] <nacc> TomyWork: sorry, i had stepped away
[12:29] <freelancerbob> EriC^^: usermod: user tradmin is currently used by process 2959
[12:29] <freelancerbob> EriC^^: i can't rename user
[12:30] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: are you logged into the account?
[12:30] <freelancerbob> EriC^^: yes
[12:30] <nacc> TomyWork: with that kernel, does btusb actual connect to your device (if you can, pastebin dmesg)
[12:30] <EriC^^> you have to log out and use another account to do it
[12:31] <freelancerbob> EriC^^:  that is really anoying, i do not have another account
[12:31] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: create one quickly, sudo adduser <newaccount>
[12:32] <EriC^^> then sudo adduser <newaccount> sudo
[12:33] <freelancerbob> logout.login ?
[12:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:40] <TomyWork> nacc hmm, what do i filter for?
[12:56] <aliozcan> guys, is there an easy way to kill all stopped jobs
[12:56] <freelancerbob> EriC^^: seems that works thanks/. now i have som pop up line when i typing: lubo@lubo-hp:~$ sudo su sudo: unable to resolve host lubo-hp
[12:56] <EriC^^> !hostname
[13:02] <freelancerbob> what is diference between sudo su and sudo su - ?
[13:02] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: - gives a login shell
[13:03] <EriC^^> the consensus is that sudo -i is the better way
[13:04] <freelancerbob> EriC^^:  do not understand :)
[13:04] <gebruiker> freelancerbob: sudo is prefered over su for various reasons, 1) better logging 2) the root password does not have to be shared 3) when using su everything is executed from root with sudo only the nessesary commands
[13:05] <EriC^^> freelancerbob: su - gives a login shell, it gives an environment like when the user logs in, people seem to agree that it's better to use sudo -i to get a root shell instead of su and su -
[13:05] <freelancerbob> gebruiker: i think i need to read some manual first :)
[13:06] <gebruiker> freelancerbob: http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html is a good starting point
[13:07] <freelancerbob> gebruiker: yes i need mroe articles with unix security, some forum or good literature ?
[13:07] <nacc> TomyWork: just pastebin it, if you're ok with that
[13:09] <gebruiker> freelancerbob: wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com is a good place to start because it relates directly to the distrobution you are using. Some distrobutions might prefer things differently, however most of the time there is an broad overlap of commonnalities
[13:22] <nomic> .zz.
[13:25] <LondonAppDev> Hey guys, does anyone know how I can stop my wireless card going into power saving mode?
[13:26] <LondonAppDev> Using Ubuntu 16.04
[13:30] <acicula> how do you mean
[13:30] <BluesKaj-pi> hiyas all
[13:30] <acicula> LondonAppDev: what do you mean by disable powersaving?
[13:31] <akik> LondonAppDev: you can add a script into /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/pre-up.d which always sets "/sbin/iwconfig wlan0 power off"
[13:31] <LondonAppDev> Hi acicula, thanks for replying. So my network is suddenly freezing, and when I look in the syslog it seems like just before it freezes it gives "limiting tx power to 20"... so I think that's why it's freezing. I put the full log details here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/857975/prevent-network-card-going-into-low-power-mode
[13:32] <LondonAppDev> So it seems like it's trying to put it into powwer saving mode
[13:32] <LondonAppDev> thanks akik I will try that
[13:32] <acicula> you can us iwconfig <interfacename> power off to disable power managment
[13:34] <LondonAppDev> Thanks acicula. I am guessing that only persists until I reboot, which is why akik suggested adding to pre-up.d ?
[13:35] <acicula> LondonAppDev: yes
[13:35] <Popzi> https://gyazo.com/558b4584959bdb5c11063c896476e666 anyone know why my Sublimt Text ui scale is so small?
[13:35] <acicula> Popzi: theme settings?
[13:36] <gregl> Would anyone know why I keep getting redirected to ubuntu-unregged ?
[13:36] <Popzi> acicula: there's nothing that seems to change the settings, it's not just the tabs that are small either
[13:36] <flexd> gregl: is your nick unregistered? :) /msg nickserv help
[13:36] <LondonAppDev> thank you acicula and akik.
[13:36] <mrtAkdeniz> hey there
[13:36] <acicula> gregl: you have to be identified to the nickServ to be able to join
[13:36] <mrtAkdeniz> Guys I gonna freak out
[13:36] <mrtAkdeniz> I've some problems about chmod and chown
[13:36] <flexd> no need to panic
[13:37] <gregl> flexd: I have been registered for years...
[13:37] <mrtAkdeniz> I've php + nginx installation and i give chown www-data:www-data to application folder
[13:37] <mrtAkdeniz> now when I want to change sth from my user, it says i can not because i've no permission
[13:37] <flexd> okay, identified then? sometimes maybe you get disconnected and then you are not identified when you join, so you join #ubuntu-unregged instead
[13:38] <mrtAkdeniz> stupid linux need to got it, I'm the OWNER!
[13:38] <flexd> because of the modes on this channel
[13:38] <mrtAkdeniz> I'm fuckin owner and I can change whatever I want, but no. it says i can not
[13:38] <acicula> mrtAkdeniz: calm down
[13:38] <flexd> mrtAkdeniz: chown changes the owner.
[13:38] <mrtAkdeniz> flexd, yes, owner of the folder
[13:38] <mrtAkdeniz> but owner of the computer still me
[13:38] <mrtAkdeniz> and that folder on MY computer
[13:39] <acicula> mrtAkdeniz: that has no bearing on file permissions however
[13:39] <mrtAkdeniz> if i change ownership to my user, application brokes
[13:39] <flexd> mrtAkdeniz: do you expect the computer to just know that? Your filesystem does not care who owns the hardware.
[13:39] <gregl> flexd: Thats what i have been doing,but if i leave and return I have to re Identify..
[13:39] <mrtAkdeniz> if i change it into www-data, this time i can not modify
[13:39] <mrtAkdeniz> what's the way to has ownership on www-data and I also can edit
[13:40] <flexd> gregl: weird.. do you automatically identify? You can add that to most clients. I have it setup in weechat so it automatically identifies me
[13:40] <mrtAkdeniz> because of anger my english broken, so good
[13:40] <flexd> mrtAkdeniz: add the www-data group to your user fore xample
[13:40] <flexd> usermod -a -G www-data <your user>
[13:40] <flexd> -a means append, -G means group, see man usermod
[13:40] <mrtAkdeniz> flexd, already did, and chmod -R g+w to folter
[13:40] <mrtAkdeniz> or w+g don't remember very well
[13:41] <flexd> did you login again?
[13:41] <mrtAkdeniz> nah, do i need to?
[13:41] <flexd> Check what groups you have with the 'groups' comamnd
[13:41] <flexd> new groups are not applied once you add them
[13:42] <mrtAkdeniz> on remote server, exit and connect again works?
[13:42] <gregl> flexd: Yeah I have it set to auto log me in... Its just Ubuntu all the other channels i join are ok.. Weird..
[13:42] <mrtAkdeniz> flexd, seems like yes it works
[13:42] <flexd> good :)
[13:57] <sven^> hey. Are there any dynamic memory managers on ubuntu that wouldn' give a process the memory it wants even if there is free memory available and after some waiting time it would just give the process it's memory?
[13:58] <sven^> might sound a bit odd..
[13:58] <sven^> :)
[14:04] <nacc> sven^: "dynamic memory managers"?
[14:06] <TomyWork> nacc i'm on the stock kernel right now. i need to reboot first
[14:06] <TomyWork> give me 10 minutes :)
[14:06] <nacc> TomyWork: np
[14:08] <sven^> nacc: hard to explain. I had a process that read in a fail and requested memory for each line. At first it crashed at 25k lines, then I ran it again and it managed 26k lines. each 30 seconds I waited (no matter if I tried running it or not) it managed to load 5k more lines.
[14:14] <nacc> sven^: your process is requesting memory? so it's a program you wrote?
[14:15] <nacc> sven^: what kind of 'crash'?
[14:17] <sven^> nacc: memory allocation fails. Yes, I wrote it. It's pretty simple and straightforward and well tested
[14:17] <mcphail> sven^: your program is broken. Trying to second guess the memory manager is a waste of time
[14:17] <sven^> mcphail: where? http://sprunge.us/jfBY?c
[14:18] <nacc> sven^: memory allocation failure is not a crash, unless your proram is buggy
[14:18] <nacc> sven^: you mean your program *fails*?
[14:19] <nacc> sven^: it feels like you are putting memory pressure on your system in a tight loop, then saying why do you run out of memory?
[14:19] <sven^> nacc: the point is, the above code runs now. It failed 50 minutes ago
[14:19] <sven^> nothing has changed since then
[14:19] <nacc> sven^: yes it has
[14:19] <nacc> sven^: memory pressure is different
[14:20] <nacc> sven^: you forced a bunch of stuff out of the cache probably by running a memory hog
[14:20] <nacc> sven^: so the next time you ran, there was more memory easily accessible
[14:20] <sven^> nacc: but shouldn't the OS swap before killing a process?
[14:20] <nacc> sven^: and/or, the kernel/glibcs was able to allocate more space
[14:20] <nacc> sven^: it did not *kill* your process
[14:20] <nacc> sven^: unless you mean your host went OOM, which is not what you said
[14:20] <AppAraat> sorry if slightly offtopic, but what regex flavor does sed use?
[14:20] <sven^> it declined memory, yeah... hmm
[14:21] <nacc> sven^: yes, that's a glibc decision, afaict, right?
[14:21] <nacc> sven^: the kernel did not deny you, because if it did, you would have an ooM
[14:21] <nacc> AppAraat: depends on the flags you pass
[14:21] <nacc> AppAraat: e.g., -r
[14:21] <nacc> AppAraat: loook through `man sed` ?
[14:21] <AppAraat> oh it can support multiple. Cool.
[14:22] <sven^> nacc: I am very confused. free said there is like 2GB of free (not swapped or cached) memory. It was totally fine on 4 computers across multiple distributions. Sometimes it slowed down for swapping or stuff like that
[14:23] <sven^> nacc: I am actually trying to find out why it failed. My best guess is some kind of memory protection demon or something similar, preventing a process to aquire too much memory at once
[14:25] <sven^> and the odd point is, that I cannot reproduce the failure although nothing changed (at least not according to free and top)
[14:25] <acicula> what is actually failing, some malloc call?
[14:26] <sven^> calloc
[14:26] <DK2> ive dd a system to another drive
[14:26] <sven^> it 'failed'
[14:26] <sven^> it is not failing anymore
[14:27] <sven^> and that sucks even more
[14:27] <DK2> but the cloned system wont boot "/proc/" and "/dev" contains no files, what went wrong?
[14:27] <acicula> how are you determining failure, is there an error code?
[14:27] <acicula> was there an out of memory notice in the kernel log?
[14:27] <acicula> DK2: the virtual filesystems are not mounted
[14:27] <sven^> no
[14:27] <OlofL> I suspect a package is available from two repositories. How do I validate that? ANd if it is, how do I install from a specific one
[14:28] <DK2> acicula how to mount dem actually?
[14:28] <acicula> OlofL: the same package is available from a lot of different repositories, but in the default depository for your release there should only be one
[14:28] <acicula> OlofL: exception being that the repository carries multiple versions of a package, such as python27 python34,etc
[14:29] <OerHeks> apt-cache showpkg <package>
[14:30] <acicula> DK2: err mounting proc? im guessing mount -t procfs proc /proc and the same for dev and sys, but how are you booting your system if those are not mounted?
[14:30] <DK2> on a live linux
[14:30] <OlofL> http://hastebin.com/ahoqowukuz.sql ok I see there are two versions. How do I select the 2.4 version to install?
[14:30] <acicula> sven^: calloc doesnt just fail, it returns an error code if it doesnt succeed
[14:31] <acicula> if the program just says failed you have to dig into the program code, but without an oom notice in the kernel log running out of memory is not the issue
[14:32] <acicula> DK2: are you trying to chroot into your installed system or?
[14:32] <mcphail> sven^: you are asking for an exponential amount of memeory (re)allocation, which is going to fail at some point. And remember realloc() can occupy more than double the required memory footprint if the ptr has to be moved and freed. Is it surprising you are hitting allocation errors?
[14:33] <DK2> acicula : i can chroot into the system, but as i said it appears to be kind of broken because /dev/ is empty and it wont boot because of it
[14:34] <acicula> DK2: yeah i understand, exit the chroot and issue a mount -o bind /proc /path/to/your/chroot/proc
[14:34] <acicula> DK2: to the same for your dev and sys folders
[14:34] <acicula> then try to chroot again
[14:34] <DK2> ill try
[14:34] <DK2> thanks
[14:35] <acicula> those folders contain virtual filesystems, so unless these are mounted they are empty
[14:36] <mcphail> sven^: by my quick calcs, your routine can claim 2GB (assuming a pointer to double is 8 bytes)
[14:38] <nacc> sven^: as others have said, you really should be checking *why* calloc, realloc etc. fail
[14:39] <OerHeks> OlofL, i think jut install, unless you use an other metapackage to install
[14:40] <sven^> mcphail: the errors occur at pretty early and it's the calloc that fails, not the realloc. Apart from that you are right, but it's not applicable
[14:40] <nacc> OlofL: and note that installing that takes you, effectively, off ubuntu
[14:41] <nacc> sven^: also, you've ensured your rlimits are high enough?
[14:41] <sven^> acicula, nacc: yeah, malloc/calloc can fail with ENOMEM. Which it did. At 40 MB when free said there were 2GB free space.
[14:41] <sven^> nacc: well, they are now.
[14:42] <nacc> sven^: when it failed with 40M, were your rlimits sufficiently high?
[14:42] <sven^> nacc: and I didn't change them. So I am back at my original question: assuming the limits where not high enough before I ran it. what changed them?
[14:42] <sven^> something went wrong and some demon or automatic mechanism fixed it. I want to find out who did
[14:44] <nacc> sven^: how do you know this?
[14:44] <sven^> know what?
[14:44] <nacc> sven^: that the rlimit was the issue and changed?
[14:44] <sven^> I don't, that's why I said 'assuming' :)
[14:45] <DK2> acicula: how can i make the system then actually boot if the /dev/ is empty?
[14:45] <nacc> sven^: i think you are making a logical leap that has no basis
[14:45] <nacc> sven^: if you didn't change your rlimits manually, they didn't change
[14:46] <nacc> sven^: you can have ENOMEM return at different points in the execution pattern based upon what the state of the glibc memory allocator is when you run, which also involves the state of memory on your system at the time, etc.
[14:47] <acicula> DK2: its not, /dev is automatically mounted on boot
[14:47] <nacc> sven^: if you want to investigate this, presuming no OOM, you can use: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Allocation-Debugging.html
[14:47] <sven^> ok, that's good. Then the rlimits were high enough before and are high enough now. So what else could cause a ENOMEM error while there is enough free memory and why can't I reproduce it now even when I try to get 1000x the memory?
[14:47] <acicula> /path/to/your/root/dev is not
[14:47] <sven^> nacc: I cannot reproduce the problem.
[14:47] <sven^> I cannot debug it
[14:48] <sven^> I can't do anything to trace it down from my side (i can't reboot the machine to see if it happens again). That's why I came here to ask if there are any ubuntu specific demons that manage memory (and maybe dynamicly change rlimits or stuff like that)
[14:48] <DK2> acicula: but thats the problem /dev/ is empty
[14:48] <roxas22> Hi
[14:49] <roxas22> What's up?
[14:49] <acicula> DK2: then how are you booting?
[14:49] <sven^> All i can do now is hope the problem never happens again in production...
[14:49] <roxas22> What appened?
[14:50] <DK2> acicula: im accessing the system via rescue, because the it wont boot
[14:52] <lucas-arg> hey guys, any good repo with themes for ubuntu?
[14:54] <omganothernewb> I am a total newb with an unmanaged server and really could use some help. I am running 16.04 have LAMP set up and can bring up apache default page and php info page via IP but not domain.name
[14:55] <nacc> sven^: i don't believe you should put such a thing into production
[14:56] <nacc> sven^: and no, i do not believe there is any such daemon
[14:56] <omganothernewb> would you say more?
[14:56] <omganothernewb> like why not?
[14:57] <nacc> sven^: it is trivially easy to show and prove that you can allocate different maximal amounts of memories before running out of memory from malloc, in the same program
[14:57] <nacc> !who | omganothernewb
[14:57] <ducasse> omganothernewb: you need to set up a dns record pointing to your server
[14:58] <kn330> omganothernewb: please share your apache vhost configuration (the one present in sites-enabled)
[14:58] <omganothernewb> ducass I did at my domain registrar
[14:59] <omganothernewb> kn330 it is whatever the default is.
[15:00] <kn330> what do you see when you try to access using your domain.name?
[15:00] <nacc> omganothernewb: can you ping your domain? or ssh to it, etc.? Tht is, is it resolve-bale
[15:00] <nacc> *able
[15:00] <SchrodingersScat> omganothernewb: nslookup domain.tld   #is also a handy tool to see what your domain is pointing to
[15:00] <omganothernewb> kn330 I get server not found if I use IP I get the default apache page
[15:01] <kn330> check the command given by SchrodingersScat
[15:01] <nullbyte_>  SchrodingersScat ?
[15:01] <SchrodingersScat> nullbyte_: you rang?
[15:02] <SchrodingersScat> omganothernewb: is this a local server or remote?  are you being mindful of internal/external ips?
[15:02] <omganothernewb> nslookup domain.tld timed out
[15:02] <kn330> or try this: http://digwebinterface.com/  # this basically lets you check if your domain is pointing to the correct ip address
[15:03] <kn330> omganothernewb: replace domain.tld with google.com if your domain is google.com
[15:05] <omganothernewb><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Default):
[15:05] <omganothernewb> all I get on that link kn330
[15:06] <SchrodingersScat> says serverfail, check with your registrar/dns provider
[15:07] <omganothernewb> I spent time with their chat support. I just dont know what to do after installing the lamp stuff.
[15:07] <omganothernewb> namecheap support said something about zone file or whatnot...
[15:07] <SchrodingersScat> nothing really needs to be setup on the server, as far as i know, to point the dns somewhere.
[15:07] <kn330> If you do not see the public IP of your server then your DNS setting is messed up.
[15:08] <omganothernewb> host support said something about rDNS if that is setup would that be the problem?
[15:09] <omganothernewb> its been like 4 days LOL
[15:09] <SchrodingersScat> omganothernewb: with namecheap I go into the advanceddns for the domain management, set a TTL of 5 minutes and put whatever IP i want
[15:10] <v-y> SchrodingersScat: they have their own DNS servers, which are not reponding @ omganothernewb
[15:10] <v-y> omganothernewb: http://www.dnsinspect.com/dirtypig.club/1481123299
[15:10] <omganothernewb> I went to advanced dns, pointed server ip to ns1 and ns2 then set up custom dns ns1/2domain.com
[15:10] <v-y> You shouldn't setup dns servers if you don't know about them. WHy not use their DNS ( namecheap's ) ?
[15:11] <ducasse> omganothernewb: you are running your own dns servers?
[15:11] <v-y> omganothernewb: revert them back.
[15:11] <v-y> Yes, he/she is.
[15:11] <omganothernewb> that is what their support suggested.
[15:11] <omganothernewb> he
[15:11] <v-y> omganothernewb: then revert them back.
[15:11] <ducasse> omganothernewb: do it! you don't understand this well enough to do it yourself.
[15:11] <v-y> Name Server: NS1.DIRTYPIG.CLUB
[15:11] <v-y> Name Server: NS2.DIRTYPIG.CLUB  these two are not responding at all.
[15:12] <SchrodingersScat> yeah, sounds like you're trying too hard if you just want apache up
[15:12] <kn330> o m gawd
[15:13] <omganothernewb> SchrodingersScat, how should I set it up at namecheap then?
[15:13] <v-y> omganothernewb: login to your namecheap account, select the domain, choose BasicDNS. Then Set A records to <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:13] <omganothernewb> Ok, thanks v-y
[15:15] <TomyWork> nacc i finally got to reboot :)
[15:15] <TomyWork> This is the only line containing btusb in dmesg: [    3.896722] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
[15:16] <TomyWork> i added btusb to /etc/modules to make that happen, too :)
[15:17] <nacc> TomyWork: can you pastebin `lspci -vvv`, `lsusb -vvv`?
[15:25] <wwalker> I have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/default/locale, it shows up in interactive logins, but not for system daemons (systemd, journald, etc.)  Anyone know the ubuntu magic to get LANG into things at start up?
[15:25] <wwalker> (16.04)
[15:26] <TomyWork> nacc http://paste.ubuntu.com/23593819/ here's lspci -vvv and lsusb -vvv
[15:28] <nacc> TomyWork: ok, so the problem remains that regardless of anything else, lsusb indicates the device's class, subclass, radio freq and protocol are incorrect
[15:28] <nacc> TomyWork: you're sure you built the kernel correctly and booted to the correct one
[15:28] <nacc> TomyWork: ?
[15:28] <kingplusplus> Please how do i fix this error when installing VirtualBox Guest Addition - I have done - apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade before doing the following but the linux header still is missing after installing it - please see full description and log http://dpaste.de/RJ9W
[15:29] <nacc> kingplusplus: can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/vboxadd-install.log ?
[15:29] <TomyWork> uname tells me it's 4.4.0-49-generic and i only have one -49 kernel on my machine :)
[15:29] <littlebit> hi people, I have xubuntu 16.04 lts running for a while now and this is the first time I'm experiencing this. I had my monitor in power save mode and expected to see my desktop when I either move my mouse or press a key on the keyboard. but nothing happens. pressing ctrl+alt+f1-6 gets me to the terminal. is there a way how to get my dektop back??
[15:29] <nacc> TomyWork: huh?
[15:29] <TomyWork> i also earlier checked btusb.ko with a hex editor. the usb device id is in there
[15:29] <TomyWork> (in little endian, i.e. backwards :)
[15:30] <nacc> TomyWork: you didn't insert a changelog entry?
[15:30] <TomyWork> nacc i wouldnt know how
[15:30] <nacc> TomyWork: how did you build the kernel?
[15:30] <TomyWork> i think that may be the problem with the build, as well
[15:30] <TomyWork> on launchpad i mean
[15:31] <TomyWork> i built it with "debuild -us -uc -b"
[15:31] <TomyWork> and holy shit 26 GB in temporary files :D
[15:32] <TomyWork> that created a dozen .deb files and a bunch more .udeb files for me
[15:33] <TomyWork> i discarded the udeb files after reading that they're basically only for fresh installs and live CDs
[15:33] <TomyWork> and selected from the .deb files the ones where i had corresponding packages installed from other versions
[15:34] <TomyWork> that left me with those: linux-headers-4.4.0-49 linux-headers-4.4.0-49-generic linux-image-4.4.0-49-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-49-generic
[15:34] <TomyWork> (that's from dpkg --get-selections. the file names are decorated differently)
[15:35] <nacc> TomyWork: i'm really not sure and i need to work on work-related stuff right now, did you try following (roughly) the steps at: https://github.com/gnebehay/gnebehay.com/blob/master/contents/blog/lenovo-flexpad-bluetooth-debian/index.md ?
[15:35] <nacc> TomyWork: i think similar to your hw
[15:35] <TomyWork> ah, i'll try that link
[15:44] <TomyWork> nacc ok the guide disconnects from my reality right before https://github.com/gnebehay/gnebehay.com/blob/master/contents/blog/lenovo-flexpad-bluetooth-debian/index.md#providing-the-firmware
[15:44] <TomyWork> it does not show anything about not being able to find firmware
[15:48] <littlebit> anyone?
[15:48] <littlebit> I have xubuntu 16.04 lts running for a while now and this is the first time I'm experiencing this. I had my monitor in power save mode and expected to see my desktop when I either move my mouse or press a key on the keyboard. but nothing happens. pressing ctrl+alt+f1-6 gets me to the terminal. is there a way how to get my dektop back??
[15:57] <IonutVan_> in which ubuntu version is postgresql 9.5 default?
[15:58] <EriC^^> littlebit: is the session still running?
[15:58] <nacc> IonutVan_: 9.5 is in 16.04 and on, not sure what the 'default', but that's where i'd guess
[15:58] <nacc> TomyWork: right, because you have't rebuilt the driver locally yet
[15:58] <IonutVan_> nacc, thanks a lot
[15:58] <EriC^^> littlebit: do you have unsaved stuff there you need?
[15:59] <nacc> TomyWork: it's a sequence of steps, the output of that section depends on doing the prior section
[15:59] <nacc> TomyWork: i'm sying, delete the kernel you built with a .deb, im not convinced it's correct
[15:59] <nacc> TomyWork: instead follow their process exactly
[16:04] <EriC^^> littlebit: do you have unsaved stuff there you need?
[16:07] <littlebit> EriC^^: the session is still running
[16:10] <TomyWork> nacc well their build process for the kernel module introduces possible human error on my side. debuild does everything for me and eliminates that.
[16:12] <nacc> TomyWork: except you did not insert a chagnelog entry and it's not obvious to me as an observer that you areo on the correct kernel
[16:12] <nacc> TomyWork: which is human error :)
[16:12] <TomyWork> nacc well i verified that with a kernel module
[16:12] <TomyWork> nacc well i verified that with a hex editor
[16:13] <EriC^^> littlebit: try DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force off
[16:13] <nacc> TomyWork: where did you verify it? in the running kernel's memory?
[16:13] <nacc> TomyWork: you veified that a kernel module on your disk has the right data in it, afaict
[16:13] <TomyWork> the kernel module (btusb.ko) contains 3c 41 43 81 (my device is 413c:8143)
[16:14] <TomyWork> that's /lib/modules/4.4.0-49-generic/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/btusb.ko
[16:15] <TomyWork> nacc to be extra sure that that's the file it's loading, let me insmod it by path instead of modprobing by name
[16:16] <ducasse> EriC^^: shouldn't that be 'force on' to switch the screen back on?
[16:16] <TomyWork> ah damn, that doesnt pull in the dependencies
[16:17] <TomyWork> modprobe btusb && rmmod btusb && insmod /lib/modules/4.4.0-49-generic/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/btusb.ko
[16:17] <EriC^^> littlebit: see what ducasse said if it doesn't work
[16:17] <TomyWork> there :)
[16:17] <TomyWork> same output in dmesg when inserting the module
[16:17] <TomyWork> [ 3906.835140] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb
[16:18] <TomyWork> and nothing else beyond that
[16:18] <TomyWork> maybe some other driver is occupying the device? how can i tell?
[16:19] <IonutVan_> bullshit, ubuntu/xenial64 vagrant box is useless because is coming with "ubuntu" user and not with "vagrant" as expected
[16:20] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ iirc, you can configure that in your Vagrantfile
[16:20] <TomyWork> unusual, still, though
[16:20] <IonutVan_> TomyWork,  and there is a password for that "ubuntu" user which is not mentioned anywhere
[16:21] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ config.ssh.username
[16:21] <TomyWork> and config.ssh.password once you find it
[16:21] <TomyWork> i'm guessing it's "ubuntu"? :)
[16:21] <TomyWork> or maybe you can access it with the well-known insecure vagrant key
[16:21] <IonutVan_> and why should every user change the username when it should come default with vagrant user
[16:22] <TomyWork> try "vagrant ssh -- -l ubuntu" to see if it works
[16:22] <IonutVan_> is not ubuntu the password
[16:22] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ oh you're not interested in getting it working
[16:22] <IonutVan_> I can do: vagrant ssh, but for example systemctl stop nginx is asking for password
[16:22] <TomyWork> if you can do "vagrant ssh", you have a vagrant user
[16:23] <TomyWork> *unless* you reconfigured it in your Vagrantfile
[16:23] <IonutVan_> and I don't see any trace of password in Vagrantfile
[16:23] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, yes, there is a user, but is called ubuntu and default should be vagrant
[16:23] <nacc> IonutVan_: TomyWork: there is a logical disconnect here, discussed elsewhere (I believe there is a bug on this), that there is a conflict between the default vagrant experience and the default ubuntu experience -- ubuntu's image favors ubuntu experience
[16:23] <TomyWork> vagrant by default, uses its well-known insecure key to authenticate
[16:23] <TomyWork> by default, vagrant uses its well-known insecure key to authenticate
[16:24] <IonutVan_> nacc, TomyWork https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1569237
[16:24] <nacc> TomyWork: so i would try adding debugging to your driver at this point
[16:24] <IonutVan_> see that the others are complaining as well
[16:24] <TomyWork> well i cant diagnose their problems without talking to them. you're here, however
[16:24] <TomyWork> and i know a thing or two about vagrant
[16:24] <TomyWork> so do you want to figure this out or not?
[16:25] <IonutVan_> so, there is a user called "ubuntu" (which it seems that also it has a password attached to it) but default vagrant boxes are comming with "vagrant" user
[16:25] <IonutVan_> so, how I can find the password for that "ubuntu" user
[16:25] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ first of all, does "vagrant ssh" work out of the box?
[16:25] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, yes
[16:25] <TomyWork> ok, two possibilities
[16:25] <IonutVan_> [17:22:38]  <IonutVan_>	I can do: vagrant ssh, but for example systemctl stop nginx is asking for password
[16:25] <TomyWork> 1. there's a vagrant user
[16:26] <TomyWork> 2. there's a config.ssh.username line in one of the Vagrantfiles
[16:26] <c_nick> how to get the output of robocopy in a batch jo
[16:26] <TomyWork> either in your current directory
[16:26] <TomyWork> or in ~/.vagrant.d/boxes/$boxname
[16:26] <TomyWork> (or in ~/.vagrant.d itself, but that's unlikely unless you put it there)
[16:27] <TomyWork> nacc you mean like printf debugging or actual debugging? :)
[16:28] <nacc> TomyWork: printk, but yeah
[16:28] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, this means that every user of that ubuntu/xenial64 image should change all this thing
[16:29] <TomyWork> nacc uh, did you notice you put the id into a thing called "blacklist_table"? :)
[16:29] <IonutVan_> is just bullshit, instead of just creating the vagrant box ubuntu/xenial64 in proper way
[16:29] <TomyWork> nacc there's also a "btusb_table"
[16:30] <nacc> !ohmy | IonutVan_
[16:30] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ we're still in the "figuring out what's going on" phase, not the "cursing at the responsibles" phase
[16:31] <IonutVan_> ok, sorry
[16:31] <nacc> TomyWork: yes, becasue more than likely you need the same change as similar devices from the vendor
[16:31] <arlion[c]> Ubuntu 14.04.4 going to 14.04.5, Across 450 boxes, I have about 20 in various states of depens hell. Taking one box as an example, this box is attempting to reconfigure and depmod a new kernel. <IP_ADDRESS>-generic, and 4.4.0-53-generic linux-generic-lts-xenial... why this box is trying to go to xenial idk..
[16:32] <IonutVan_> so, perhaps the good idea will be to just update the vagrant box image for xenial to use proper user, as recommended
[16:32] <arlion[c]> perfoming a dpkg --configure -a attempts to recompile the initrafs but it fails due to th kernel not being configured
[16:32] <arlion[c]> any advice how to remove and reset the package installation phase.
[16:32] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ did you take a look at the Vagrantfile in the box directory?
[16:32] <nacc> arlion[c]: that's called the lts stack
[16:32] <nacc> arlion[c]: err, hwe stack
[16:33] <arlion[c]> okay, so it's fine, as long as it stays on the 3.19 kernel branch
[16:33] <nacc> arlion[c]: huh?
[16:33] <nacc> arlion[c]: why are you using 14.04.4 or 14.04.5 if you wnat to be on 3.19?
[16:33] <nacc> arlion[c]: kernel-wise, i mean
[16:33] <arlion[c]> wooah...
[16:33] <nacc> arlion[c]: you want to stay on 14.04.0/14.04.1 kernel
[16:33] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, yes, there is just: Vagrant.configure .... and config.vm.box = "ubuntu/xenial64"
[16:33] <IonutVan_> nothing else
[16:34] <arlion[c]> this kernel says its now on 4.4
[16:34] <nacc> arlion[c]: actually, you can't be on 3.19 anymore and supported, iirc
[16:34] <arlion[c]> okay, i misunderstood the kernel package
[16:34] <nacc> arlion[c]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[16:34] <arlion[c]> when it says linux-image-3.19.0-77, i took that as that is the kernel version
[16:34] <nacc> arlion[c]: it is?
[16:35] <nacc> arlion[c]: i think you're getting mixed up, as well, by the fact that pakcages can be installed and not necessarily used
[16:35] <arlion[c]> no, uname -a says that the kernel is 4.4.0-42, so unless im going back several years
[16:35] <nacc> arlion[c]: but you only need 14.04.x if you need a newer kernel/hw support
[16:35] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ can you write "getent passwd vagrant" into the shell on the box?
[16:35] <nacc> arlion[c]: mabye excluding 14.04.1 :)
[16:35] <arlion[c]> Yes, I need that plus all the security updates that comes with it.
[16:36] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, in the box folder I have:
[16:36] <IonutVan_>   config.ssh.username = "ubuntu"
[16:36] <IonutVan_>   config.ssh.password = "a1cc1e2dc85075ba5b17c3fa"
[16:36] <arlion[c]> nacc: what are your thoughts?
[16:36] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ see, there's your password :)
[16:36] <nacc> arlion[c]: need what?
[16:36] <arlion[c]> ?
[16:36] <nacc> arlion[c]: you said "need that" ...
[16:36] <nacc> arlion[c]: what do you mean by "that"?
[16:37] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ should really be indicated somewhere though...
[16:37] <TomyWork> also, that ubuntu user needs passwordless sudo in order to comply with requirements for a vagrant base box
[16:37] <arlion[c]> I need the new kernel along with staying with the the evolving LTS stream of updates until EOL of the 14.04 branch
[16:37] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, ok, and what I solved with that? my scrips are still supposing that the user is called "vagrant" as recommended, and to have /home/vagrant and not /home/ubuntu with ubuntu password
[16:38] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ well that first of all means your scripts are bad :)
[16:38] <nacc> arlion[c]: ok, so you do want to go to the latest HWE
[16:38] <nacc> arlion[c]: note that you are late in updating, aswell :)
[16:38] <TomyWork> but of course most scripts are not written with variable users in mind
[16:38] <nacc> arlion[c]: in that 14.04.4 is no longer supported :)
[16:39] <arlion[c]> Yes, I want to go to the latest HWE, I am aware that I am late.
[16:39] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, sorry to tell you, but all vagrant boxes are using "vagrant" user and only xenial is trying to change that. That's why a lot of users complain about that
[16:39] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, so, my scrips are how they should be
[16:39] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ you could of course just create that vagrant user
[16:39] <arlion[c]> I am asking for assistance in troubleshooting the last few boxes that failed the upgrade process.
[16:39] <TomyWork> and give it passwordless sudo
[16:39] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, and? thins will not solve the issue for the other users which use xenial box
[16:39] <IonutVan_> this*
[16:40] <TomyWork> nope, but for your self
[16:40] <nacc> arlion[c]: can  you pastebin `apt install -f`
[16:40] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ and for the others, you already have that launchpad issue, right?
[16:40] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, thanks anyway, I will just use centos/opensuse image and recommend that to my colleagues as well
[16:41] <arlion[c]> nacc: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/501098/11288651/
[16:41] <TomyWork> you'd need someone to set the issue to confirmed
[16:42] <nacc> arlion[c]: so ... these machines were not being kept up to date?
[16:42] <nacc> arlion[c]: as in, you had ancient kernels on them
[16:42] <arlion[c]> current booted kernel is 4.4.0-42
[16:42] <nacc> arlion[c]: i think you might need to hard purge using dpkg
[16:42] <nacc> arlion[c]: yes, i undrsetand -- but apt is trying to remove packages that are rather old
[16:43] <arlion[c]> These boxes are old, but not 14.04.1 old.
[16:43] <arlion[c]> maybe 14.04.3 ish time
[16:44] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ i'd need to download and test that image (can't do that here) in order to give a definite opinion on the matter, but if what you're telling me is correct, about the box Vagrantfile, then that's a no-go and needs to be fixed
[16:45] <TomyWork> so IonutVan_ one last thing: have you tried updating the box?
[16:45] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, if you don't believe what I told you, then check the above link and see that is a issue with the xenial image, the other users are complaining as well
[16:45] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, yes
[16:45] <nacc> arlion[c]: so they clearly were on 14.04.4, i undrestand that
[16:45] <TomyWork> there have been a number of updates to the box since october
[16:45] <nacc> arlion[c]: err, sorry! 14.04.3
[16:45] <nacc> arlion[c]: my point was you didn't have just hte last two 14.04.3 kernels on the system
[16:45] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ it's not that i say you're lying, i just dont go without evidence when forming beliefs
[16:45] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, the last comment for that link is from a few days ago
[16:45] <nacc> arlion[c]: you had at least two older ones
[16:46] <IonutVan_> and I also confirmed that
[16:46] <arlion[c]> nacc: it is possible an apt autoremove already purged those.
[16:46] <nacc> arlion[c]: well no, beacuse they aren't purged, right?
[16:46] <arlion[c]> right, because apt still thinks they are there
[16:46] <IonutVan_> anyway, for me doesn't matter, I just use a different distro
[16:47] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ any idea what the download url is for that box?
[16:47] <IonutVan_> https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ubuntu/boxes/xenial64
[16:47] <IonutVan_> i have to go, thanks
[16:47] <TomyWork> not their web interface
[16:47] <nacc> arlion[c]: so were those files manually deleted by someon else?
[16:48] <arlion[c]> possible, but I seriously doubt it
[16:48] <LondonAppDev> Hey, my WiFi keeps freezing on my Ubuntu 16.04 laptop. If I do a continuous ping, then it will just randomly freeze (the ping won't fail or timeout, but it will just stop making pings completely). When this happens I need to disconnect and re-connect to the network. If anyone has any ideas as to how to fix this that would be much appreciated. The wifi details are here: https://gist.github.com/LondonAppDev/9cb52ed8b2a6e26c00946708d8c33a33
[16:48] <arlion[c]> I'm not so concered about the root cause as working from here and correcting the box
[16:48] <nacc> arlion[c]: you could try dpkg -P --force-all <pkgname> ?
[16:49] <nacc> arlion[c]: given that you don't need those packages anymore, it's probably ok to force things
[16:49] <nacc> arlion[c]: nt usually recommended
[16:49] <arlion[c]> which package, there are a few listed there
[16:50] <nacc> arlion[c]: i mean, you could do linux-image-*3.19* or those three listed in te paste
 TomyWork: yes, becasue more than likely you need the same change as similar devices from the vendor
[16:51] <TomyWork> there's a "Broadcom BCM20702A0" up in "btusb_table"
[16:51] <TomyWork> that's my type, but a different usb id
[16:51] <nacc> TomyWork: oh i didn't realize that
[16:51] <arlion[c]> nacc "*" is an illegal character when paired with a purge
[16:51] <nacc> TomyWork: ok, you coudl try adding it there
[16:51] <nacc> arlion[c]: ok specify it manually for those three tht are failinng to remove
[16:52] <arlion[c]> nacc: yeah, im doing that now..
[16:52] <TomyWork> nacc will do :)
[16:52] <nacc> TomyWork: sorry about that -- iw as sort of guessing on what is correc,t as i know nothing about the hardware in practice
[16:53] <arlion[c]> nacc: i need to go, ill pick this up in a bit
[16:54] <TomyWork> nacc i'll try if i can get the build process from the link going, as that seems to be much quicker
[16:54] <TomyWork> i'll build a proper package later, when i verify this is working :)
[16:58] <TomyWork> nacc what does the "depmod" step do?
[17:04] <nacc> TomyWork: iirc, that installs a modules.dep file and maybe a System.map file
[17:04] <nacc> TomyWork: for the modules for that build
[17:04] <nacc> TomyWork: those are used for modules dependencies and to help ensure all symbols are resovled
[17:05] <Nuentoter> question, is there ANY way to still get software for ubuntu gutsy? it is the only ubuntu distro that wants to work with this old laptop
[17:07] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | Nuentoter use the old-releases repo as detailed here
[17:09] <Nuentoter> I do not wish to upgrade though, upgrading breaks the laptop, I just need to get a couple programs up and running then it will never see the internet again
[17:10] <zx2c4> Hey -- any ubuntu devs here that could point me to some documentation describing exactly the process and criteria for how packages flow from debian into ubuntu, and how and when updates of those work?
[17:10] <ducasse> Nuentoter: read what i wrote.
[17:12] <Nuentoter> i did, will the old-release repo's contain things outside of the upgrade software though? or have they been trimmed?
[17:13] <ducasse> Nuentoter: should contain everything afaik.
[17:13] <Nuentoter> oh ok cool
[17:13] <Nuentoter> I just need something like chrome or opera to run in kiosk mode
[17:14] <Nuentoter> although i'll b surprised if chrome works
[17:14] <ducasse> chrome won't be there, that's not in the repos.
[17:14] <nacc> neither is opera
[17:14] <nacc> afaik; and that's not a gutsy statement
[17:15] <OerHeks> Nuentoter, i hope 64 bit, else you might fail with chrome
[17:15] <nicomachus> s/might/will/
[17:15] <Nuentoter> nope, its 32 :(
[17:15] <nicomachus> Nuentoter: Chrome doesn't support 32 bit anymore.
[17:15] <Nuentoter> shit
[17:15] <nicomachus> language.
[17:15] <Nuentoter> sorry
[17:15] <Nuentoter> dagnabbit
[17:16] <nicomachus> Chromium may.
[17:16] <OerHeks> no flash ..
[17:16] <Nuentoter> I dont care if its supported anymore, if I can install an old one, it wont be going online, just needs to load one simple webpage from our internal server
[17:16] <nicomachus> OerHeks: Chromium can do flash.
[17:16] <ducasse> iirc, opera 12 used to be in the repos
[17:17] <nicomachus> 11:16 <+Torne> we don't actively maintain 32-bit support, but we haven't
[17:17] <nicomachus>                explicitly removed it either; it's mostly up to downstream linux
[17:17] <nicomachus>                distros who package binaries to maintain
[17:17] <nicomachus> from #chromium dudes.
[17:17] <Nuentoter> i thought opera was in repo but not sure about how far back though
[17:19] <ducasse> Nuentoter: change your sources and find out :)
[17:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:19] <Nuentoter> thats what i'm doing right now, urrgg havent used vim in forever, can't remember keyboard shortcuts for everything lol
[17:20] <nicomachus> man vim
[17:20] <Nuentoter> i think its the only editor on gutsy server edition
[17:20] <nicomachus> nano should be default
[17:21] <Nuentoter> ooh
[17:21] <Nuentoter> yay nano exists
[17:22] <TomyWork> nacc it works \o/
[17:24] <TomyWork> nacc i did only the steps before the sudo steps, then did sudo rmmod btusb && sudo insmod drivers/bluetooth/btusb.ko
[17:24] <TomyWork> (inside the kernel source tree)
[17:25] <TomyWork> i'll test it a bit to see if i can actually connect something
[17:26] <TomyWork> then i'll download a current kernel source and rebuild that with the inserted line :)
[17:30] <Nuentoter> seems to be working ok so far, getting link2 on it so I can surf around from it a bit, i hope
[17:31] <TomyWork> you said i should use changelog to distinguish it from the stock kernel. what do i need to do? "dch -v 4.4.0-53.74~14.04.1-tomy1" or something?
[17:31] <TomyWork> nacc you said i should use changelog to distinguish it from the stock kernel. what do i need to do? "dch -v 4.4.0-53.74~14.04.1-tomy1" or something?
[17:34] <coredump> People, I know that someone must ask this here like every month but I am thinkoing on a T460s for my work laptop (going back to Linux from a MBP that is literally hell). How does this config looks https://i.gyazo.com/b81bc87c641d2ad1263fedbc68c16ff2.png
[17:34] <dym> Hey people! I migrated my openvpn server from a 14.04 to 16.04 machine by copying the config dirs. Now the "server openvpn start" command wont start the server.conf configuration. It does, if i manually call the dameon with --config server.conf though. any thoughts?
[17:34] <coredump> I am avoiding WQHD because apparently that doesn’t work well enough for me to be comfortable with it.
[17:35] <TomyWork> dym <Captain Obvious> the default config file location must have changed
[17:35] <dym> TomyWork: Like /etc/openvpn/? :D
[17:35] <dym> It hasnt.
[17:39] <TomyWork> dym the name, maybe?
[17:39] <dym> /etc/openvpn/server.conf
[17:39] <dym> i though the upstart script recognizes the configurations in /etc/openvpn/ anyways?
[17:41] <nicomachus> dym: 14.04 was upstart, but 16.04 uses systemd instead
[17:41] <c_nick> Hi, I am using robocopy to copy the files from one folder to another, but if the folder is missing robocopy outputs the error message (0x02) but the batch script ERRORLEVEL has error code 16
[17:42] <dym> nicomachus: sorry, yes - i meant "service ..."
[17:42] <dym> isnt this systemd?
[17:43] <Random832> c_nick, errorlevel from robocopy is explained here http://ss64.com/nt/robocopy-exit.html - it's not related to system error codes (where 2 is ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)
[17:44] <nicomachus> dym: make sure you're using the full path. systemd needs it, but upstart didn't. upstart could use $PATH but systemd needs an absolute path
[17:45] <c_nick> Random832, isnt the ERRORLEVEL variable in the batch job supposed to store the output of Robocopy ? How can i get the ouput of Robocopy in a batch job?
[17:45] <Random832> errorlevel stores the exit status which is the value described in that page. Why do you want the output?
[17:45] <dym> nicomachus: http://script.quakenet.org/paste/2837008
[17:47] <TomyWork> nacc hmm it doesn't *quite* work. it kinda does seem to work for a while, then it goes into a state where bt-adapter -l just waits for a while then says "bt-adapter: bluez service is not found Did you forget to run bluetoothd?"
[17:47] <TomyWork> even though that service is running
[17:47] <dym> nicomachus: whereas "openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/server.conf" does work, but not daemonized.
[17:48] <c_nick> Random832, I want the return code of Rococopy
[17:48] <c_nick> so i shoud use ERRORLEVEL right ?
[17:48] <nicomachus> dym: maybe this can help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/626771/migrate-basic-upstart-script-to-systemd
[17:48] <nicomachus> and this is always worth the read when making the switch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[17:49] <dym> NoImNotNineVolt: sorry, maybe i misphrased. I did not migrate the ubuntu upstart scripts.
[17:49] <dym> nicomachus: *
[17:49] <dym> i only migrated the openvpn configuration
[17:49] <c_nick> Random832, why is the batch file generating system error codes ? All i am doing is Robocopy src dest
[17:49] <dym> which makes it more odd
[17:50] <TomyWork> nacc in that state, bluetoothd seems to be churning in place, according to strace.
[17:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah.
[17:51] <dym> Sorry NoImNotNineVolt :)
[17:51] <dym> Didnt mean to wake you
[17:52] <NoImNotNineVolt> indeed. i was like ".... is my memory that bad?"
[17:54] <dym> okay "dpkg-reconfigure openvpn" did the trick.
[17:54] <dym> Thanks guys!
[17:55] <coxn> I'm wondering if another livepatch user can explain what I see here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/200a408682701fbc5a761bf158442537
[17:56] <coxn> livepatch reports "fully-patched: true" at -51, but I see a -53 installed via apt
[17:56] <c_nick> Random832, anyways thanks a lot your information really helped .. ciaos
[18:00] <Random832> c_nick, the system error code tells you as the user what the specific failure was - i.e. that a file was not found. errorlevel just tells you *that* it failed, which is all a batch file really needs to decide not to continue.
[18:02] <Random832> c_nick, it's like if you used cp to copy some file, it prints "filename: No such file or directory", but $? is just 1 vs 0 for success. robocopy reports slightly more information for "success but something odd happened", which is why its failure status is 16.
[18:02] <coxn> oh I think I get it
[18:02] <coxn> $ sudo canonical-livepatch status --verbose |grep last-check
[18:02] <coxn> last-check: 2016-12-07T12:29:03.276012-05:00
[18:03] <coxn> its update stream is completely independent (and behind)
[18:03] <Random832> like how grep will return 1 for no matches but 2 for a real error.
[18:03] <coxn> is there a place where I can see the timing/scheduling/history of livepatch releases?
[18:03] <coxn> and/or is there a way to cause livepatch to do a check?
[18:05]  * coxn discovers the mailing list & subject line: [LSN-0014-1] Linux kernel vulnerability
[18:06] <eset> Strange thing happend. My desktop icons are bigger that they were. How to resize all of them? Using ubuntu 16.10
[18:06] <wabbits> can the distro version of chromium use alsa?
[18:06] <eset> than*
[18:08] <sencer> Hi. I have a problem. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS on my desktop pc right now. I've tried to install it on my Laptop also but Some few problems occured. I was having some problems with booting the live usb disk, but eventually I figured it out. Here is the problem, My Laptop does not shutdown when I click on shutdown icons, I pressed F8 while shutting down, is says [Will now halt/restart]. How can I solve this.(Unfortunately none of the internet suggestion
[18:08] <sencer> s worked. It doesn't work when I change GRUB files quiet splash bla bla bla.. Please Help!))
[18:12] <mqu> hello! i met a strange problem could you help me to figure out?
[18:12] <wabbits> what is the problem?
[18:12] <mqu> everything started when i tried to run some jar applet which should draw some UI: https://s3.amazonaws.com/java_101/m0/e2/m0e2HW.jar
[18:13] <mqu> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation); 154 (GLX)
[18:13] <mqu> 24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)
[18:13] <mqu> and I get the following weird problem, I blame java at first
[18:14] <mqu> but then I realized that it most likely system problem. "glxinfo" gets me the same problem
[18:14] <sencer> Can anyone help me with my problem?
[18:14] <Nuentoter> @sencer in terminal will it shutdown sith command?
[18:14] <mqu> what can I check to figure out the problem?
[18:14] <sencer> Sometimes it does, but after some config at grub files it does not somehow
[18:15] <mqu> i think there's some problem with nvidia driver problem in ubuntu
[18:15] <mqu> tried reinstalling but didn't help
[18:15] <le_pig> In the way that Debian has "suites", like stable, unstable, etc., does Ubuntu have an analogue?  This would be different than codenames, like Trusty, Utopic, etc.
[18:16] <sencer> @mqu Nvidia? are you talking to me? sorry I didn't understand
[18:16] <mqu> sencer: no, i tried to describe my own problem xd
[18:17] <sencer> @Nuentoter But I was able to shutdown via terminal why wouldn't the button don't work ?
[18:17] <sencer> @mqu Ah xD sorry, but I'm thinking that my problem is about nvidia too ?..
[18:17] <Nuentoter> im assuming your using unity?
[18:18]  * uxfi +++_
[18:18] <sencer> @Nuentoter Exactly!
[18:18] <sencer> @Nuentoter I can send you more details about the problem ?
[18:18] <Nuentoter> using the cairo dock?
[18:20] <sencer> @Nuentoter Well to be honest I don't know what that is but Unity I mean the standard desktop and the icons on the top right corner
[18:21] <Nuentoter> if you logout first can you shutdown then?
[18:22] <ducasse> le_pig: stable would correspond to the latest lts, while unstable would be upcoming release. sort of.
[18:23] <gnuser> gnome-session[20496]: (gnome-shell:12425): St-WARNING **: Ignoring length property that isn't a number at line 888, col 20
[18:23] <gnuser> Hey guys, anyone aware of this error that keeps poping up on my journalctl logs?? I'm running ubuntu 16.04.01 LTS up to date
[18:24] <ducasse> gnuser: not an error, just a warning. just ignore it.
[18:25] <sencer> @Neuntoter I tried but when I logged out (clicked) black screen appeared and nothing happened
[18:29] <sencer> @Nuentoter It works with the "sudo shutdown -h now" with terminal (when grub file is set to default)
[18:31] <Nuentoter> @sencer what does /etc/pam.d/common-session look like?   it should include a line  " session    optional    pam_systemd.so "
[18:32] <ducasse> sencer: fyi, you don't need the @ on irc
[18:33] <lakitu> what's a very compatible graphics card for ubuntu (preferably also linux mint, too) - ?
[18:33] <lakitu> or where should i find a list
[18:34] <lakitu> i've heard nvidiia
[18:34] <lakitu> nvidia
[18:34] <lakitu> but the one i bought doesn't seem fully comptaible
[18:34] <lakitu> compatible
[18:34] <Nuentoter> whatcha got lakitu
[18:34] <Nuentoter> ?
[18:34] <sencer> Yes is does include that line
[18:34] <lakitu> i have to reinstall an old graphics card just to install the os, then re put in my new one
[18:35] <sencer> @Nuentoter What else do I search for ?
[18:35] <lakitu> & it's hard to see the pci slot, & all this
[18:35] <lakitu> Nuentoter: i'd have to look. a 70$ but highly rated nvidia card
[18:35] <lakitu> i'm not gaming, so don't need much more than videos & desktop effects
[18:36] <ducasse> lakitu: older amd cards that use the radeon driver are often rock solid, but it depends on the use case
[18:36] <lakitu> i have a sapphire 5770, but it wasn't compatible enough
[18:36] <lakitu> bummer, cause i spent like 275$ on it
[18:37] <lakitu> i've been struggling to reseat this old gpu for like 15-20 minutes. really frustrating
[18:37] <ducasse> lakitu: best approach is to find a model you like, then ask for experiences with that exact card
[18:37] <black91> 750 ti does the trick for all games
[18:37] <lakitu> well, anyone know of a very compatible linux card for say kubuntu, that can play videos too, besides desktop effects
[18:38] <black91> 750 ti and gtx 1070 work well with ubuntu/
[18:38] <lakitu> what price range, black91
[18:38] <sencer> I got 780Ti by the way works just fine don't even know why they need 1000 series for :)
[18:38] <black91> 750 is like 120*
[18:38] <lakitu> cool
[18:39] <lakitu> who makes that
[18:39] <lakitu> gtx - amd?
[18:39] <black91> nvid
[18:39] <sencer> Nuentoter: Any help?
[18:39] <Nuentoter> sencer: try adding line  " X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=20 "   to    ~/.config/autostart
[18:40] <BluesKaj> heh, I have an entry level nvidia 840GS that cost 40 bucks , works great , as long as you're not a gamer it's fine fore HTPC/media/videos etc
[18:40] <lakitu> err yeah, that's what i meant
[18:40] <BluesKaj> 8400GS
[18:40] <Nuentoter> sometimes cairo i guess can cause problems and the delay can help order things out
[18:40] <black91> 1070 total waste of money, not much difference then 950 imo
[18:40] <lakitu> i will have like 4 monitors at least, with desktop effects tho
[18:41] <BluesKaj> if you don't gane you probly don't need anything over 100bucks
[18:41] <lakitu> do you think a 750/780 ti can handle it?
[18:41] <lakitu> maybe a tv stream or w/e
[18:41] <lakitu> too
[18:41] <sencer> Nuentoter: There is not a directory "/.config/autostart" ? when I call the directory with "gedit" it just opens a blank document ?
[18:41] <black91> id like to pump the 750 its a decent card
[18:41] <black91> could do it no problem
[18:43] <ducasse> lakitu: 4 screens or more might be a problem, you need to check that.
[18:43] <lakitu> how/where do i check that
[18:44] <lakitu> i guess for one, i'd need enough video heads (on the gpus)
[18:44] <mikeymop> quick question. 16.04 systemd, do we still use modprobe to (un)load kmods?
[18:44] <black91> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133642&cm_re=gtx_960-_-14-133-642-_-Product
[18:44] <ducasse> lakitu: number of outputs, and how many separate outputs it supports over dp for example.
[18:44] <lakitu> i get tired of newer oses not having normal hardware compatibility.   my big problem with mint was it didn't support half my hardware
[18:44] <BluesKaj> don't beleive all the hype, most pcie gpus are overkill for most users
[18:45] <mikeymop> and now you're selecting your h/w based on the OS you want?
[18:45] <lakitu> apple requires i buy all apple hardware, including replacements & upgrades
[18:45] <lakitu> this is a small price compared to that
[18:45] <lakitu> for kde/kubuntu
[18:46] <mikeymop> iirc apple h/w works okay on linux except for the models w/ broadcomm wireless, in which case you need to use their binaries
[18:46] <black91> linux can run pretty much everything anyway
[18:46] <black91> only had a few issues with proprietary chips
[18:46] <lakitu> i have basic newer hardware, & a lot of the times i had compatibility issues
[18:46] <black91> but even those
[18:46] <lakitu> basic/popular
[18:46] <lakitu> makes me think i didn't do enough research; hence this, now
[18:46] <lakitu> asking questions.
[18:46] <black91> i go for basic/popular too
[18:47] <lakitu> it's probably a good idea, for compatibility reasons
[18:47] <lakitu> now i think i shoudl just look up each piece of hardware, & if it's not, see what is recommended for my os
[18:47] <huffner> hello
[18:47] <huffner> are there any yrsobs here/
[18:47] <huffner> i 'd like a yrsobs
[18:48] <ducasse> lakitu: nvidia makes special models for multihead, but they are expensive. tend to be well-supported by linux, though.
[18:48] <lakitu> maybe better to just buy 2
[18:49] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, so, did you see the issue? or you still can not believe :)
[18:52] <lakitu> back under the desk to struggle with reseating this =/
[18:52] <lakitu> maybe. maybe i'll just buy a new card.
[18:52] <lakitu> anyway, thanks
[18:52] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, it seems that xenial vagrant image was just updated 20161207.0.0/providers/virtualbox.box. but it still has the "ubuntu" user instead of "vagrant"
[18:52] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ well i was going to say that some commenters say the issue doesnt exist, but i misread it earlier
[18:53] <TomyWork> those updates are probably automatic
[18:53] <TomyWork> with the latest patches and all
[18:54] <TomyWork> my suggestion is to find someone with access who can set bugs to "confirmed". that'll be the way forward
[18:55] <TomyWork> and be civil
[18:55] <TomyWork> "you suck" and "why arent you doing your job" isnt going to encourage anyone to help you... just saying, in case you thought about saying that :)
[18:56] <IonutVan_> :):)
[18:57] <IonutVan_> but I was thinking that the person in charge is here :)
[18:57] <ilhami> wHAT?
[18:57] <ilhami> What?
[18:58] <ilhami> Lol @ caps lock
[19:04] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, as you can see this issue was reported since 2016-04-12 and nobody cares about it. So, I don't expect any update on it :)
[19:05] <TomyWork> IonutVan_ or maybe you have just always been cursing about this instead of presenting the issue in a civil manner.
[19:05] <TomyWork> just my thoughts. i'm off, see ya
[19:05] <IonutVan_> TomyWork, is the first time I tried the xenial vagrant image
[19:06] <IonutVan_> and will be the last one as well :)
[19:09] <mikeymop> quick question. 16.04 systemd, do we still use modprobe to (un)load kmods?
[19:10] <mikeymop> Ubuntu documentation just has a general article covering as far back as 12.04 so i cant be sure
[19:10] <EriC^^> mikeymop: by kmods you mean kernel modules?
[19:10] <mikeymop> yea
[19:10] <EriC^^> mikeymop: yeah,
[19:10] <mikeymop> awesome, thanks
[19:10] <EriC^^> no problem
[19:14] <gnuser> so the gnome-session WARNING should just be ignored ?
[19:14] <gnuser> gnome-session[20496]: (gnome-shell:12425): St-WARNING **: Ignoring length property that isn't a number at line 153, col 27
[19:15] <ducasse> gnuser: yes.
[19:17] <ducasse> gnuser: you _could_ file a bug, but you will just be asked to provide a patch.
[19:19] <Sleaker> hi. I'm working on trying to create a systemd socket similar to an old inetd socket with upstart and having a bit of trouble getting it all enabled. I'm wanting x11vnc to run on port 5903 whenever a connection comes through on that port.
[19:20] <Sleaker> this is my socket file. I put it in /lib/systemd/system and it enables properly.
[19:20] <Sleaker> http://pastebin.com/H8ny6pfp
[19:20] <Sleaker> but when I try to have an @.service file associated with it it doesn't seem like systemctl recognizes it at all.
[19:21] <Sleaker> here's the @.service file: http://pastebin.com/C3VAt66h
[19:26] <cvende> Hello all, I need some linux knowledge: I have a netbook which I go to class with, and a workstation at home, I would like to sync my class folder (mainly odt and pdf) on both linux, what should I use, nfs or rsync?
[19:26] <ahi2>  in 16.04 the ethernet connection is no longer eth0. it is enp2s0. anyone know why?
[19:26] <Sleaker> ahi2: kernel naming changed
[19:27] <ahi2> anyway to fix it
[19:27] <Sleaker> it's to prevent swapped cards from getting the same hardware names
[19:27] <Sleaker> you can pass in a kernel parameter to switch to the old-style names if you really want to do that.
[19:27] <ahi2> ok
[19:28] <ahi2> what is the parameter
[19:29] <Sleaker> there's also a file you can adjust for this: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[19:30] <ducasse> ahi2: it is strongly recommended to just get used to it, as this is the way it will be from now on
[19:30] <mikeymop> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-CPU-AMD-GFX-Rumor-Back
[19:30] <Sleaker> that has information on what and why, and how to switch off.
[19:30] <mikeymop> ths makes me sad, if I use nvidia I will have to have both big drivers on my machine
[19:30] <Sleaker> mikeymop: aye
[19:30] <ahi2> thansk sleaker
[19:30] <Sleaker> any comments on my question above?
[19:31] <MonkeyDust> Sleaker  better repeat the question, instea of referring to it
[19:33] <Nuentoter> ok having trouble with xorg and stuff, originally had slim, just installed kdm, used apt-get remove to remove slim and now it still wants to start it. using reconfigure it still shows slim and gdm and kdm, how do I remove these?
[19:33] <troop> hello. when i activate chroot sftp jail for a user it can't uses ssh anymore. is there any tutorial about creating ssh&sftp jail together?
[19:33] <troop> thank you
[19:33] <Sleaker> I'm trying to convert a inetd socket to systemd, I have a unit file for the socket it activates properly. I have an<EMAIL_ADDRESS>file, but systemd doesn't seem to recognize it. to enable it do I just symlink it into the /etc/systemd/system folder?
[19:33] <Sleaker> I can't really find any docs on the associated @service for a socket.
[19:34] <Sleaker> and systemctl doesn't recognize them
[19:34] <Sleaker> even the builtins.
[19:35] <jhutchins> Sleaker: What about if you set it up exactly as you would for init and let the compatibility feature handle it?
[19:36] <Sleaker> jhutchins: that requires running inetd commands which don't exist?
[19:37] <Sleaker> or is that still in there
[19:38] <jhutchins> Sleaker: I only have a vague idea of what you're talking about, but if commands no longer exist, systemd should have some method of dealing with them.
[19:38] <Sleaker> yah, no inetd command on the system. also this is for a deployable ltsp5 image, so installing more packages just for a compat layer is.. iffy.
[19:38] <Sleaker> jhutchins: the replacement for inetd sockets is systemd unit file sockets though?
[19:38] <Sleaker> I don't think there's any sort of compat layer for that