[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:18] <ChunkzZ> BluesKaj, sup
[13:19] <BluesKaj> ChunkzZ, not much, a few upgrades this morning. That's about all.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> I see a nvidia driver and dkms upgrade just came down
[19:34] <sruli> 18.04 headless server, how do i renew dhcp lease? if i disconnect the eth cable i cannt reconnect it without a reboot
[19:40] <enyc> sruli: I don't know whats' changedw ith networkmarager/systemd/etc... however I would say you probabyl now need #ubuntu channel,  bionic long been released...
[19:41] <sruli> networkmanager is gone, its netplan now
[19:43] <enyc> sruli: start in #ubuntu , look for netblan channel als requeiuired?
[19:45] <sruli> thanks


[12:32] <TheSheep> attention span of a mayfly
[06:13] (Jester45/#xubuntu) o... i dont think the choose has it
[06:13] (Jester45/#xubuntu) i wasnt sure what you where talking about
[06:13] (Ghostvirus/#xubuntu) yeah, the open/save dialog
[06:14] <Jester45> toasted a brand new 250gb sata 300 drive a week ago
[06:14] <jtg23> alright, i just realized there is no version 6.1(?) so i do need to get one of these wifi cards working under my existing hardware situation
[06:14] <Ghostvirus> ouch
[06:15] <Jester45> i was just about to have i dedicated movie storage drive
[06:15] <jtg23> snap, i should make a backup...
[06:15] <Jester45> and it whent pop/band/zap
[06:15] <Ghostvirus> i like external HDs
[06:15] <Ghostvirus> saves trouble
[06:15] <Jester45> to slow...
[06:16] <jtg23> not once you get it going!
[06:16] <jtg23> i use mine on my mac and it's slow to buffer but not too, too bad
[06:16] <jtg23> you can stream video
[06:16] <jtg23> 8mb cache
[06:16] <jtg23> gotta have it
[06:16] <jtg23> i want one of those hybrid flash ram drives
[06:16] <Jester45> the cache has little to do with what the line can handle
[06:17] <jtg23> oh and to get my wifi card working on xubuntu 7.04 with either the linksys with the broadcom or the airlink with the 1211 chipset
[06:17] <Chikubu> hope the warranty covered it
[06:17] <Jester45> a drive connected via usb will not beat internal or ethernet connected
[06:17] <jtg23> no but the cache helps when you pause the vid to take phone calls and restart it
[06:17] <jtg23> of course not
[06:17] <jtg23> well not gigabit
[06:19] <Chikubu> my usb wireless adapater worked with default xubuntu install, didnt need to add anything specail, other than a nice gui to help manage it
[06:22] <Jester45> jtg23, and firewire is a bit faster in the real world... but usb 2 fullspeed *should* be a bit faster but its normaly not
[06:22] <Jester45> and apples fireware 800 is much faster
[06:24] <Jester45> be back in a bit
[06:28] <Chikubu> i want to mount a cd image created with blind write in windows, what util would i use, or do i need to convert to iso? what would i use to convert to iso?
[06:28] <BFTD> hi I'm looking for a power point program
[06:29] <Chikubu> the open office suite has presentation software
[06:30] <Ghostvirus> Chikubu, what format does blindwrite use?
[06:32] <BFTD> Chikubu yeah but ti crashes
[06:32] <Chikubu> it writes blind write format
[06:32] <Chikubu> makes a blind write image file .bwi
[06:33] <Chikubu> think its just raw inside the file
[06:34] <Chikubu> also makes a .bws and .bwt file along with the main but not sure those are completly nessacary
[06:34] <Ghostvirus> Chikubu, yeah, i think you'll have to convert to ISO
[06:35] <Chikubu> ill start poking around for some utility to do it, how do you mount an .iso?  is it built into linux or do i need something
[06:36] <Ghostvirus> Chikubu, you can do it from the command line, like "sudo mount /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint"
[06:36] <Chikubu> ok, built in...cool
[06:36] <Ghostvirus> or you could install an app like CDemu: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net
[06:36] <Ghostvirus> never used it though, so i'm not sure if there are better apps out there
[06:38] <Chikubu> in windows it would be nessacary to run a program to fool windows into thinking it was a cd or the progs wouldnt run, had to mount that way
[06:38] <Chikubu> not sure what wines gonna make out of it
[06:38] <Chikubu> gonna find out
[06:38] <Ghostvirus> yeah, i use daemon tools on xp
[06:38] <Jester45> whats going on
[06:39] <Ghostvirus> fun with cd images and virtual drives
[06:39] <Jester45> wine wouldnt know the diffrence if you mounted a iso or had a cd in the drive... just like the rest of the system
[06:40] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, ya... but linux can do as many as you want not only 4
[06:40] <Chikubu> well thats good
[06:41] <Jester45> they problem with wine might be if you dont tell wine where you "cd" drives are
[06:41] <Jester45> unless you mount in /dev/cdrom0 and wine is all ready looking there
[06:42] <Ghostvirus> well i've never bothered with mounting ISOs under linux, just a few times in windows for some games
[06:43] <BFTD> ?
[06:43] <BFTD> you can do that?
[06:44] <Jester45> yeps
[06:44] <BFTD> what program do you use to watch them
[06:45] <Jester45> mplayer or vlc
[06:45] <Jester45> noramly mplayer
[06:45] <BFTD> oh
[06:46] <BFTD> oh
[06:47] <Ghostvirus> oh yeah, i noticed that when i insert an audio cd into my computer, it shows up on my desktop, but xubuntu says it's not mounted
[06:47] <Ghostvirus> if i try to mount it, i get some error. is that normal for audio cds?
[06:48] <MetaCube> whats the command to upgrade again? apt-get upgrade? that seems to miss some items
[06:48] <Ghostvirus> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:49] <Jester45> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:49] <Jester45> or dist-upgrade
[06:49] <MetaCube> ah the dist was the one i was trying to remeber thanx
[06:53] <Ghostvirus> so does anyone know what's up with the audio cd thing?
[06:55] <Ghostvirus> if i try to play a cd with audacious, it says there aren't any cds mounted, yet grip finds the audio tracks with no problem
[06:59] <cjae_> Ghostvirus, don't think audio discs must be mounted
[07:01] <cjae_> Ghostvirus, http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/music.html
[07:02] <Ghostvirus> cjae_, any idea what would cause audacious to think there's no audio cd to play?
[07:03] <Ghostvirus> it's not really a big problem, since i rarely play audio cds anyway. maybe it's just an audacious-specific problem, since grip finds the disc just fine
[07:10] <Ghostvirus> hm, after taking a look at the audacious forum, i believe i may have found a solution to my problem
[07:13] <Ghostvirus> well since everyone else has already taken off, i guess i'll call it a night too
[08:37] <gerro> few buddies in here earlier were discussing virtualbox so I went to install the ubuntu package at the virtualbox site however it shows a license agreement and doesn't do anything I can't accept or cancel and my entire add/remove apt system is locked up on that package
[08:37] <gerro> any ideas?
[08:38] <gerro> ohhh never mind I figured it out... have to press arrow key then enter..
[08:38] <gerro> that makes no sense what so ever but it works
[08:40] <TheSheep> like most software
[08:41] <gerro> I was pressing arrow key to scroll down but it wanted me to press the right arrow key and not the left one
[08:41] <gerro> which is really odd
[08:42] <gerro> damn its late I'm getting some sleep
[08:42] <gerro> byes
[12:17] <DaBeowulf> Please help me, how do I get into the terminal only (No X running) with telinit 3 runlevel without gdm starting up on me?
[12:21] <DaBeowulf> Or what does make gdm restart when I terminate it?
[01:16] <benpicco> Hi, how do I acces a samba share in a Windows server?
[01:16] <benpicco> !samba
[01:16] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:17] <benpicco> ah, ok, never mind
[01:44] <benpicco> ok, something is wrong here
[01:45] <benpicco> I can log in on the server using smbclient
[01:45] <benpicco> but when it comes to mounting the share, I have no acces
[01:45] <benpicco> (The account has no password - I did't configure this ;) )
[01:46] <benpicco> so do I have to leave it blant in fstab?
[01:46] <benpicco> *blank
[01:47] <benpicco> so username=accountname, password=>blank<
[01:47] <benpicco> oh, got 2 go now..
[01:48] <benpicco> any (quick) solution?
[01:49] <benpicco> (I just have to press enter when smbclient prompts me for the pw
[01:49] <benpicco>  - there are no errors while mounting, too, but I always get "Permission Denied"
[01:50] <benpicco> where I can acces everything with smbclient
[01:51] <benpicco> however, I have to go..
[03:22] <homebrewcider> what's the best way to get the scanning functions going in my Canon MP510 printer/scanner please?
[04:12] <namelessjon> Is there some way I can make Terminal aware of the paths I set in .bash_profile, without running 'source .bash_profile'?
[04:20] <|jason|> i am trying to build pidgin on xubuntu fiesty -- i seem to recall there was a package that had to be installed first but i cant find it -- can someone point me in the right direction?
[05:02] <gerro> got this old dell latitude and was going to install xubuntu on it but when booting the cd it says Buffer I/O error on device fd0 and the same message for sr0 repeatedly and hasn't done anything yet..
[05:03] <gerro> perhaps a bios setting problem, cd defect, maybe broken hardware?
[05:04] <mig5> gerro, try the alternate install cd if there is one for xubuntu?
[05:04] <mig5> or does it do that on all boot cds?
[05:04] <gerro> this is the first time I've tried a boot cd on it
[05:04] <gerro> I've heard dell latitude mentioned a lot in linux support forums so I expected some problems from it
[05:05] <mig5> try booting the cd in another computer and see if it works in that
[05:05] <gerro> I have
[05:05] <gerro> I used it for 4 other computers installation including one I'm on now
[05:06] <gerro> just yesterday I was booting it up on another machine
[05:06] <mig5> have you got any other bootable cds laying around?
[05:06] <gerro> not really most them really old copies of ubuntu
[05:06] <mig5> try one of them, just to see if it can boot anything?
[05:07] <Stormx2> How much memory does a default xubuntu install use with no apps open?
[05:07] <gerro> I think 192
[05:07] <mig5> People have it working on 128mb
[05:08] <gerro> but for installing takes 192
[05:08] <mig5> not with alternate cd
[05:08] <gerro> he said with no apps open so i assumed it was live cd
[05:09] <mig5> o yeah ur right, well i guess 128 is bare minimum
[05:10] <gerro> it has to do some uncompressing and other stuff to install so needs more ram for doing that
[05:10] <mig5> yeah
[05:11] <gerro> my one computer has 60.5 mb ram so
[05:11] <mig5> with xubuntu?
[05:11] <gerro> I sort of gave up on bothering with alternate cd too
[05:11] <mig5> o
[05:11] <gerro> nah I use damn small on that one
[05:12] <mig5> thats quite a nice linux, i tried it once
[05:13] <gerro> I was hoping to copy over a few settings from it to xubuntu and vica versa
[05:13] <gerro> like I got thunar setup on it too
[05:13] <mig5> i dont like thunar, it hangs on me
[05:13] <mig5> im using xfe at the moment
[05:14] <gerro> yeah you have to make an index for /usr/bin seeing as it opens there all the time by default
[05:14] <gerro> xfe?
[05:14] <mig5> xfe is like a really light weight file manager thats based on rox
[05:15] <mig5>  yeah you have to make an index for /usr/bin seeing as it opens there all the time by default --- how do i do that?
[05:15] <gerro> don't know its a feature of ext3
[05:16] <gerro> some sort of command to use
[05:16] <gerro> you can do it for all of your folders if you like but it takes little bit extra hard drive space
[05:16] <mig5> ext3 is a type of filesystem isnt it?
[05:16] <gerro> yeah but it has lots of features
[05:17] <mig5> i have jornalised something or other, i dont think its ext3
[05:17] <gerro> I also tuned my ext3 for writeback support supposedly things load faster
[05:17] <gerro> yeah there are a lot of journalised file systems
[05:18] <gerro> like reiserfs is another popular one commonly used on linux
[05:18] <mig5> hmm i dont know what the exact one that i have
[05:18] <gerro> use synaptic to check what fcsk your using
[05:18] <gerro> you need different tools for different file systems
[05:19] <gerro> mikey! what up man
[05:20] <mig5> i dont have any fcsk packages installed =(
[05:20] <mikeconcepts> what is the extra step I've forgotten to connect to a share created in xubuntu from windows. Windows asks for username and password, but just keeps asking
[05:21] <mikeconcepts> permissions thing?
[05:21] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: it's 'fsck'
[05:21] <TheSheep> sorry
[05:21] <TheSheep> mig5: it's 'fsck'
[05:22] <mig5> thanks, in that case i have ext2
[05:22] <gerro> oops my bad
[05:22] <mikeconcepts> the share is on xubuntu and I'm trying to connect to it from windows
[05:22] <TheSheep> mig5: just 'fsck' alone should autodetect the filesystem and use apropriate 'fsck.*' automatically
[05:23] <mig5> can i index usr/bin/ if i have ext2?
[05:23] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: you configured it using 'system->shared folders'?
[05:23] <mikeconcepts> yes
[05:23] <TheSheep> mig5: index?
[05:24] <mig5>  yeah you have to make an index for /usr/bin seeing as it opens there all the time by default --- said gerro
[05:24] <mig5> its to make thunar work
[05:24] <gerro> that is not the proper term but it functions similar
[05:24] <gerro> not thunar its to make things load the file system faster for that directory seeing as it has lots of files
[05:25] <TheSheep> first time I hear about it
[05:25] <mig5> i dont get it though, because xfe loads usr/bin and usr/lib quickly
[05:26] <TheSheep> mig5: what is the problem?
[05:26] <mig5> thunar hangs on me when i open folders that have lots of stuff in
[05:27] <TheSheep> mig5: what version?
[05:27] <TheSheep> mig5: which xubuntu are yo using?
[05:27] <gerro> mine does the same usually
[05:27] <mig5> 0.8
[05:27] <mig5> xubuntu 7.04
[05:27] <mig5> feisty
[05:28] <mig5> i thought it was just because thunar is still in developerment and so its buggy
[05:29] <TheSheep> mig5: how does it hang? is mouse working? numlock? can you restart with alt+ctrl+backspace or do you have to reset your computer manually?
[05:29] <TheSheep> mig5: no, Thunar in feisty is stable
[05:29] <TheSheep> mig5: should have no bugs
[05:29] <gerro> its not hanging its just opening an enormous directory by default every time he browses to find an image for an icon or other small tasks
[05:30] <mig5> just the program hangs, the thunar window goes white and i have to kill the process to get rid of it
[05:30] <mig5> i can still use my computer when it does it
[05:30] <gerro> yeah what your system specs mig5?
[05:30] <mig5> 512mb mem, 2500 (1.8ghz) pro
[05:30] <TheSheep> that's still bad -- it shouldn't happen
[05:31] <gerro> well your case is more serious than mine
[05:31] <gerro> no clue why it crashes
[05:31] <TheSheep> mig5: works resonably well for me on much weaker box
[05:31] <TheSheep> oh well
[05:31] <TheSheep> !bugs | mig5
[05:31] <ubotu> mig5: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:31] <gerro> you use a different file system though too
[05:31] <mig5> i dont have any file indexing software like beagle if that would make a difference?
[05:31] <TheSheep> mig5: try to include all the details you can think might be relevant
[05:31] <mikeconcepts> guess I'll have to manually go through the whole samba setup process manually, figured by now that would have been automated
[05:32] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: no
[05:32] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: sorry, again not to you :)
[05:32] <TheSheep> mig5: no
[05:32] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: apparently something went wrong
[05:33] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: but you don't have to go through the *whole* process -- most of the configuration is done
[05:33] <mig5> ill do the bug report thing but I'm ok really because i just use xfe file manager instead
[05:33] <mikeconcepts> once I get into it, perhaps the problem will surface
[05:34] <TheSheep> mig5: if you report it, it will get fixed :)
[05:34] <TheSheep> mig5: I often had bugs fixed the smae day I reported them in xfce
[05:35] <mig5> umm do i have to sign up for this launch pad thing or is it the same as my forum account?
[05:35] <TheSheep> mig5: not sure, you put your e-mail as a login
[05:36] <mig5> no its not, i have to make an account
[05:36] <TheSheep> mig5: but it works for wiki too :)
[05:36] <occidere> Hello everybody. Does anybody know, how to stop the autoplay feature for audio cds of gxine? I'm running Feisty with Xfce.
[05:38] <mig5> im making the account now...
[05:41] <manu640> hi @ all
[05:41] <TheSheep> occidere: open thunar, go to edit->preferences->advanced->configure volume management
[05:42] <manu640> i have here an old pc with mainboard from 1999, i built in a 160GB HHD and the bios found it, but after installing xubuntu on a 80GB primary partition, i get an grub 18 error
[05:42] <manu640> what shall i do, do i need a pci controller
[05:42] <manu640> its the first partition on the disk
[05:43] <occidere> Thanks a lot, TheSheep.
[05:43] <manu640> :( dont know what the biggest bios is which the bios recognizes
[05:43] <TheSheep> manu640: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[05:45] <TheSheep> manu640: make a small /boot partition
[05:45] <TheSheep> manu640: say, 40MB
[05:45] <mikeconcepts> all I needed was sudo smbpasswd -L -a "username"
[05:45] <mikeconcepts> and -e to enable
[05:46] <TheSheep> mikeconcepts: thanks, we can pass it on when someone has similar problems
[05:46] <manu640> TheSheep ok, and how do i know how big the boot partition has to be? because when i install some applications etc
[05:46] <Jester45> anyone know how to control a fan's speed
[05:46] <TheSheep> manu640: applications are installed mainly to /usr, the /boot partition only contains kernels
[05:47] <TheSheep> manu640: count about 16-20MB per kernel, you only need two kernels at any time
[05:47] <manu640> TheSheep yes i know, but letts say there will be 3 kernel updates, and the partition is to small? ... :/
[05:47] <TheSheep> manu640: make it 80MB to be safe :)
[05:47] <mig5> is this ok TheSheep: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/122146
[05:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122146 in ubuntu-bots "Thunar crashes upon opening folders" [Undecided,New]
[05:47] <TheSheep> manu640: you can remove the old kernels
[05:47] <TheSheep>               https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/122146
[05:47] <TheSheep> argh
[05:47] <TheSheep> sorry
[05:49] <TheSheep> mig5: 'freezes' instead of 'crashes' would be more accurate, but it's too late now to change :)
[05:49] <TheSheep> mig5: I think it's fine, thank you
[05:49] <mig5> how do i know if they've fixed it?
[05:50] <gerro> hey I found out the laptop is a dell latitude C640 and the problem is related to the fact the dvd/cdrw can actually be taken out and switched with floppy drive
[05:50] <gerro> that is very odd..
[05:50] <mig5> gerro, did you manage to get it to boot then?
[05:51] <TheSheep> mig5: you'll get an e-mail every time somethng changes with that bug, because you are subscribed to it as a reporter
[05:51] <TheSheep> mig5: you can unsubscribe in the toolbar on the left if you want
[05:52] <mig5> no ill leave it subscribed, i want to know if they fix it
[05:52] <gerro> mig5: some people mentioned using the alternate install cd
[05:52] <manu640> TheSheep i red that tehre is a maximum size of 512MB is that right, so if that work i dont have to remove kernels?
[05:52] <TheSheep> gerro: what was the problem?
[05:52] <manu640> how to remover kernels with ubuntu?
[05:53] <TheSheep> manu640: just uninstall them with synaptic -- they are packages like any other applications
[05:53] <gerro> TheSheep: the problem is it has a floppy that is swappable with the cdrom
[05:53] <TheSheep> manu640: they are just never removed automatically
[05:53] <gerro> TheSheep: so I'm got to disable floppy or use alternate install cd
[05:53] <mig5> hey sheep i just thought of something, could my thunar be freezing because my harddisk only has like 2gb free space?
[05:54] <TheSheep> mig5: no
[05:54] <mig5> or because my home partition only has 1gb?
[05:54] <Jester45> thats somthing windows would do
[05:54] <manu640> ok The sheep so i will try a new installation with 80MB bootpartition
[05:54] <manu640> :)
[05:54] <TheSheep> manu640: the maximum size of the boot partition that will work depends on the cylinder size of your hard disk drive
[05:55] <TheSheep> manu640: it must be smaller than 1024 cylinders
[05:55] <TheSheep> mig5: it works fine with even 10kB free space in home and no free space anywhere else
[05:56] <mig5> o ok
[05:56] <TheSheep> mig5: I tested it XD
[05:56] <gerro> can't quite figure out how to turn off the floppy
[05:56] <TheSheep> mig5: the problem might be connected with GAM somehow
[05:56] <gerro> it has the boot section in bios and shows arrows pointing to diskette drive
[05:56] <mig5> whats GAM?
[05:56] <manu640> TheSheep 160GB
[05:56] <gerro> gam server you mean?
[05:57] <TheSheep> mig5: it's a daemon that keeps track of when files are modified, so that Thunar refreshes automatically
[05:58] <TheSheep> mig5: but for it to work, Thunar must tell it which files to watch -- maybe this is taking that much time? (just a wild guess)
[05:58] <mig5> will this gam show up in processes?
[05:59] <mig5> yes it does, gam_server
[05:59] <TheSheep> mig5: yes, it's 'gam' or 'gamin'
[05:59] <gerro> I wish I could get the livecd to do same function of alternate cd
[05:59] <manu640> TheSheep the HDD is 160GB big
[05:59] <tuxcrafter> hello guys
[05:59] <gerro> just skip to installing
[05:59] <manu640> is 80MB for /boot enough?
[05:59] <tuxcrafter> where can i found all the desktop shortcuts?
[06:00] <tuxcrafter> manu640: I have a high mem machine 1 GB DDR and i optimesed xubuntu and use 84 MB at startup
[06:00] <tuxcrafter> so 80 MB should be possible
[06:00] <tuxcrafter> however i f you load firefox or thunderbird or open office mem will soon use 200 MB
[06:01] <gerro> I found this post that explains what to do to prevent those buffer I/O errors https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/95857 that bottom post where would I enter those commands from?
[06:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95857 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty]  kernel boot delayed 60 secs on floppy error" [Low,Confirmed]
[06:02] <gerro> oh darn that is for alternate cd too
[06:02] <mig5> I found some people on the forums who are also having problems with thunar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368871&highlight=thunar+freeze
[06:03] <tuxcrafter> where can i found all the desktop shortcuts?
[06:05] <tuxcrafter> i am looking for the shortcut to move a app to the second desktop
[06:05] <tuxcrafter> or left right
[06:05] <tuxcrafter> previous next
[06:05] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: settings->window manager->keayboard
[06:05] <manu640> i set a bootflag to partition 1 with /boot
[06:05] <manu640> is that ok?
[06:06] <TheSheep> manu640: yes
[06:06] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: ah there they are
[06:06] <tuxcrafter> i was searching at the keyboard settings
[06:06] <tuxcrafter> alt+control+home
[06:07] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: yes, it's a tad inconvenient
[06:08] <manu640> TheSheep i made the following: 82.2MB /boot primary partition with bootflag | 80.0GB / primary partition | swap logical partition with 1.0GB | /home primary partition with 79.0GB
[06:08] <manu640> in this order
[06:12] <laserbeak43> crap i forgot i havent done the xineorama thing yet...
[06:12] <tuxcrafter> manu640: oeps i thought you ware talking about memory :-D
[06:15] <tuxcrafter> bye guys
[06:15] <tuxcrafter> i having lunch
[06:22] <laserbeak43> in xorg.conf whats the diff between section "screen" and section "monitor"?
[06:27] <Jester45> the monitor section tells about the acual moniter and the screen is like, what the output should be i think
[06:28] <Jester45> or... the monitor section is there so you can tell wich card to output to what moniter
[06:28] <Merchelo> is there an anyway to fix grub after install win xp on a seperate partition?
[06:31] <laserbeak43> Jester45: ok thanks i'll take a better look at it and see if i can tell the difference
[06:32] <Pumpernickel> !grub | Merchelo
[06:32] <ubotu> Merchelo: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:34] <Merchelo> excellent, thanks Pumpernickel
[06:44] <nipun> hello people
[06:44] <nipun> and hello TheSheep
[06:44] <nipun> :)
[06:44] <nipun> remember me?
[06:45] <nipun> guys i need some help
[06:45] <laserbeak43> hi nipun
[06:45] <nipun> hi laserbreak43
[06:46] <nipun> I am remastering xubuntu livecd
[06:46] <gerro> someone mentioned if I waited for all the buffer I/O errors to end that xubuntu live cd would load like normal but it didn't displays ash prompt
[06:46] <laserbeak43> how do i browse files graphicaly as root?
[06:46] <nipun> login as root?
[06:46] <laserbeak43> i didn't think you canlog in as root
[06:46] <nipun> you can
[06:46] <laserbeak43> but i just want to browse as root on any account
[06:47] <nipun> first you gotta enable local administrative login
[06:47] <laserbeak43> whats the command for that?
[06:47] <nipun> some gkthunar or something, i dont rem
[06:47] <nipun> gksudo thunar
[06:47] <nipun> i guess
[06:47] <laserbeak43> hmm ok
[06:47] <laserbeak43> thanks i'm prolly gonna have to google this one :)
[06:47] <nipun> err no, its not
[06:48] <nipun> i think the easiest way would be to login as root
[06:49] <nipun> anyways
[06:49] <laserbeak43> yeah it prolly would be
[06:49] <nipun> I am looking for some help myself
[06:49] <laserbeak43> but i just wanna stay outta that account if i can
[06:49] <laserbeak43> yeah what was ur question again?
[06:49] <nipun> yeah that would be best
[06:49] <nipun> I am remastering xubuntu live cd
[06:49] <nipun> wanted to know what all can i remove
[06:49] <nipun> i just need firefox
[06:49] <nipun> and flash and java
[06:49] <nipun> that's it
[06:50] <nipun> nothing else
[06:50] <laserbeak43> just a minimal web browsing xubuntu hah?
[06:50] <nipun> not even installation files
[06:50] <laserbeak43> well
[06:50] <nipun> yeah
[06:50] <nipun> a kiosk
[06:50] <laserbeak43> i dunno if synaptic does this bu
[06:50] <laserbeak43> t
[06:50] <laserbeak43> can you delete installed files and all of their dependacies will automaticaly get uninstalled as well?
[06:51] <laserbeak43> cause if so, i'd assume you could downgrade and see what you needed and what you didnt
[06:51] <laserbeak43> i could be wrong of course
[06:51] <laserbeak43> can you run firefox without a wm?
[06:51] <nipun> no
[06:52] <nipun> it needs one
[06:52] <nipun> that's why i am using xubuntu
[06:52] <nipun> for xfce
[06:52] <nipun> actually there are programs to do what i want
[06:52] <nipun> but they work with k/ubunut
[06:52] <nipun> not xubuntu
[06:52] <nipun> so i needed some manual help
[06:53] <laserbeak43> well i'll shut up and stop spamming your topic so the other guys can see then, good luck :)
[06:53] <nipun> lol kay
[06:53] <nipun> i think i ll go in some other channel
[06:53] <nipun> this seems to be very quiet
[06:58] <gerro> how do I remove every driver, daemon, module, and config ever related or associated with nvidia from my system?
[06:58] <gerro> after trying to install linux-k7 kernel my graphics card now has about 5 other older modules competing over who gets the monitor
[06:58] <laserbeak43> Jester45: gonna try it now(xinerama) fingers crossed
[07:05] <gerro> alright then now to do locate command and rm -Rf anything named nvidia
[07:05] <gerro> wish me luck peeps
[07:08] <nominaladversary> Hi, i was looking for a way to install windows2k over my xubuntu install...when i insert the 2k boot cd, ubuntu just boots.
[07:10] <BFTD> nominaladversary you have to set the BIOS to boot windows 2k disk
[07:18] <nominaladversary> I'm in the bios place...i went under BOOT, but have no idea what to do from there.
[07:18] <Pumpernickel> There should be a subsection called 'boot order' or something similar.
[07:18] <Pumpernickel> Make sure it's set to boot from the cd before the hard drive.
[07:20] <nominaladversary> Check, cept I have two cd drives.
[07:21] <Pumpernickel> Use the master, then.
[07:22] <nominaladversary> There is only 1 cd option on the BIOS screen...I tried both drives, won't boot.
[07:25] <Pumpernickel> Your BIOS may be confused about having 2 to choose from.
[07:26] <Jester45> what aBOut a choose
[07:26] <Jester45> r
[07:26] <Pumpernickel> It might also be confused by jumper settings on the drives, but it's probably simpler to just pull a drive then to deal with the jumpers.
[07:26] <Jester45> my bios has somthing on F8 i think that lets you choose what to boot
[07:26] <nominaladversary> yeah, is F1 on hp desktops
[07:26] <nominaladversary> thanks for the help, i might open it up and try again
[07:26] <nominaladversary> tata
[07:30] <gerro> wtf I go through and delete everything shown by locate command after running updatedb and then install nvidia driver STILL it complains there is another driver hidden somewhere
[07:31] <gerro> I think its about reinstall time...
[07:33] <gerro> yay I found new command line to add to my great giant .sh list of remove nvidia drivers script :)
[07:33] <MrBlues_> esa
[07:34] <gerro> update-rc.d nvidia-kernel remove.. interesting
[07:41] <laserbeak43> Jester45: didn't work so far...
[07:49] <gerro> ldconfig: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/liban1.so.1 is not a symbolic link so I deleted it
[07:50] <gerro> were several other files like that I deleted because they told my nvidia driver to fuck off when I tried installing it
[07:50] <gerro> now I think my system is totally trashed :(
[07:51] <W8TAH> anyone here running kvirc on feisty?
[08:28] <DaBeowulf> How do I get a clean xorg.conf again? I think mine's messed up with trying to switch the NVidia drivers..
[08:29] <DaBeowulf> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor doesn't suffice there neither does rm xorg.con* in the /etc/X11/ path, does it?
[08:31] <predaeus> DaBeowulf, do you have a backup of an old xorg.conf?
[08:32] <DaBeowulf> No I tried rm xorg.con* before >_<
[08:32] <predaeus> DaBeowulf, bad idea. try nvidia-xconfig
[08:32] <predaeus> but I fear that will not work without an existing xorg.conf
[08:32] <DaBeowulf> When I try to use a NVidia driver now it always fails saying the NVidia kernel module doesn't match..
[08:33] <maxamillion> DaBeowulf: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pHigh xserver-xorg" i believe is what you are looking for
[08:37] <DaBeowulf> "Ignore unvalid priority 'High'  ah nm needs to be lowercase
[08:38] <DaBeowulf> But I see me doing a fresh install from the DesktopCD yet again...
[08:39] <DaBeowulf> I don't get it I'm quite sure I used the same NVidia driver before and UT2k4 ran fine but when I got rid of windows and set it all up again it didn't render the game correctly :/
[08:40] <DaBeowulf> So I tried downgrading from glx-new to just glx and BAM NVidia Kernel mismatch crap :(
[08:42] <DaBeowulf> Even tried the driver from NVidia.com which supposedly compiles its own kernel module and it seemed to install without any errors but the same mismatch stuff again.
[08:43] <DaBeowulf> GFudge FX5200 runs with both glx and glx-new or only glx?
[08:44] <DaBeowulf> I can't find that site again where it listed the supported adapters
[09:21] <Tailsfan> Hello, I finally got to dual-boot for once
[09:21] <Tailsfan> but now I have a problem, wheneve ri shut down Xubuntu, It just Freezes and doesn't turn off teh power manually
[09:21] <Tailsfan> automatically*
[09:22] <hyper__ch> Tailsfan: what does it say? Initilizing rc.d scripts?
[09:23] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:23] <Tailsfan> No nothing, it just shows the Xubuntu Logo and teh bar empty and it does nothing
[09:24] <Tailsfan> I have 7.04
[09:28] <BFTD> hi, on OpenOffice impress, when I try to use the slide option the program crashes
[09:29] <BFTD> how do I figure out whats going wrong
[09:36] <kalikiana> BFTD, Tried to open OOo from a Terminal?
[09:36] <kalikiana> A good proggie should give some output.
[09:36] <BFTD> kalikiana whast the command btw :P
[09:37] <kalikiana> BFTD, Well, jump to /usr/share/applications and look it up, I don't know everything by heart :P
[09:37] <BFTD> kalikiana you should
[09:38] <kalikiana> Meh, shut up!
[09:39] <BFTD> is there like some way I can run it in debug mode or something?
[09:41] <nikin> hy
[09:41] <kalikiana> BFTD, I don't think you have a debug version, so not unless you recompile it.
[09:41] <kalikiana> hi nikin
[09:41] <nikin> what program do you use to work on a samba network?
[09:41] <hyper__ch> konqueror
[09:42] <kalikiana> nikin, For what? File management? Coding?
[09:42] <nikin> kalikiana: file management
[09:42] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: konqueror for both ^^
[09:42] <kalikiana> Thunar exclusively, with fusesmb.
[09:43] <nikin> i try to find a program capable for it, wich is not KDE based and not as huge as konqueror or nautilus
[09:43] <kalikiana> nikin, Try Thunar with fusesmb, it's easy.
[09:43] <hyper_ch> can gnome-commander do it?
[09:43] <kalikiana> Every program can access samba shares. o_O
[09:44] <nikin> hyper_ch: no, couse 1.2.3 has no smbauth and 1.2.4 has a lot of deps from the latest CVS gnome
[09:45] <nikin> my fav was krusader so far, but i try to avoid using QT based programs
[09:45] <hyper_ch> nikin: why?
[09:45] <hyper_ch> nikin: why krusader over konqui and why avoiding qt proggies?
[09:46] <nikin> i tried smbc but it locks up .... mc... it needs to specify the workgroup and is not capable listing the computers
[09:47] <nikin> hyper_ch: avoiding QT so that the system both in handeling and in design integrity and krusader couse i like the 2 panel aproach
[09:47] <hyper_ch> nikin: Konqui has as many panes as you want
[09:47] <hyper_ch> nikin: I normally use a 3-4 pane approach ;)
[09:48] <nikin> hyper_ch: konq is not a program for systems with 128 mb ram, bytheway Krusader isnt that much better
[09:48] <hyper_ch> get some more ram ;)
[09:49] <nikin> hyper_ch: notebook EDO ram is not something that you can just... get... and the BIOS can not handle more
[09:49] <hyper_ch> nikin: get a new one ;) sorry :)
[09:50] <nikin> hyper_ch: i have some new one... :D but i want is old little thing to work.... :D
[09:53] <nikin> hyper_ch: i can do it with mc and smbtree if there isnt any way to handle that... or can write a program that automates things using smbmount but i could not belive that noone had a need for a lightwheyght program for network file management
[09:58] <kallepersson> Hi there. How hard is it to "upgrade" from Xubuntu (6.06) to Ubuntu Feisty?
[10:03] <Jester45> very easy if it works right
[10:09] <aroo> Anyone suggest an xfce temperature monitor?
[10:10] <aroo> (for cpu, to be specific)
[10:12] <BFTD> screw it
[10:12] <BFTD> I'll just convert it to pdf and do it that way
[10:17] <predaeus> aroo, panel sensors plugin
[11:19] <jeekl> Minimum specs to run/install xubuntu to a box without network access?
[11:21] <maxamillion> jeekl: i've tested it on a pentium 100mhz w/ 64mb of ram ... its slow, but given the age of the hardware its expected
[11:21] <zials> what OS are you currently running?
[11:21] <jeekl> maxamillion: Gotcha.
[11:22] <jeekl> I am going to "repair" my grandpas computer tomorrow. It currently runs Window 95 and I wondered if I even should bother bringing any alternative software
[11:26] <aroo> what's his system specs
[11:28] <lampyris> hello
[11:29] <lampyris> can i use ubuntu's icon in xubuntu?
[11:29] <crimsun> for personal use, of course.
[11:29] <aroo> yea, why not?
[11:30] <lampyris> mmm sorry, pheraps i don't explain very well :)
[11:31] <lampyris> i like ubuntu's icon. In my opinion there are better than xubuntu's icon
[11:31] <lampyris> i like use ubuntu's icon on xubuntu
[11:31] <aroo> lampyris: do you mean the file icons and the icon theme?
[11:31] <kallepersson> I think he probably wants it in the xfce-menu
[11:31] <kallepersson> Am I right?
[11:31] <lampyris> yes
[11:31] <kalikiana> lampyris, You mean replacing the xubuntu logo with the ubuntu logo? Of course you can do that. :)
[11:32] <lampyris> not replace logo, but icon :) wait a moment...
[11:32] <kalikiana> Just right-click the menu and select a different icon :P
[11:34] <lampyris> for example this http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu_HumanAzul?content=37099
[11:35] <kalikiana> lampyris, That is a GTK theme, not an icon. You can use that of course.
[11:36] <lampyris> Type:  Icon Theme
[11:36] <lampyris> device's icon
[11:45] <gerro> is there a grub option to not load floppy support?


[11:54] <nicgios> hi all Anyone knows how to configure a Vodafone connect card?
[11:54] <nicgios> on a Toshiba satellite?
[04:03] <bengt__> Sorry if this is of topic. I am looking into buying a new laptop. Do  not need ultraportable, nor unlimited budget. Was thinking of an Dell 1420 or 1520. Are these good for Ubuntu (with webcam), or do you have anything else to recommend?
[10:41] <caravel> hi folks -- help! I'm sorry to jump in like this -- looking for a laptop and find it quit hard to meet my requirements. Anyone here could point me to any online database that permits advanced filters (eg. +expresscard, +fingerprint, +extensible to 4GB) ? Thanks


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[01:56] <nspirit> from 2nd of March till 4th
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[06:10] <sokkaree> helllo
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[08:14] <Jadolyo> Hello
[08:14] <Jadolyo> Where is everyone?
[08:26] <Nour> Mornin'
[09:40] <egyDev> any coders here ?
[09:56] <elacheche_anis> egyDev, not me X)
[10:14] <miro_> élsäläm älýköm !!
[12:12] <ashams> seiflotfy, dude, when are you going to give your session?
[12:24] <seiflotfy> show me the schedule
[12:24] <ashams> there's no schedule
[12:24] <seiflotfy> oh
[12:24] <seiflotfy> ok
[12:25] <ashams> seiflotfy, it's just me and you, I'll give bug triage and you what you zg :-)
[12:25] <ashams> so, just make your schedule and I'll announce it :)
[12:25] <seiflotfy> today or tomorrow
[12:25] <seiflotfy> like when od u want to give
[12:25] <seiflotfy> i have a meeting from 18:15 to 19:15
[12:25] <seiflotfy> but then i am all open
[12:26] <ashams> today, and you can make it before that ?
[12:36] <seiflotfy> gimmie 30 minutes to know
[12:37] <ashams> cool, thnx
[14:18] <cobra-the-joker> السلام عليكم
[14:19] <cobra-the-joker> منورين يا رجالة الأوبن سورس
[14:19] <Eslam> Hi
[14:19] <Menopia> cobra-the-joker, ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ???????
[14:19] <cobra-the-joker> Menopia: ?!
[14:19] <Menopia> hi Eslam
[14:19] <Eslam> eh el a5bar, bttklmo 3n eh ?
[14:20] <Eslam> طيب شكلكو مش بتتكلمو عن حاجة :D
[14:20] <Eslam> انا كنت عايز اقول اني لسا مبرمج مبتدأ و اشتغلت بايثون
[14:21] <cobra-the-joker> في مشاريع شغالة ...  المفروض إنهم النهاردة هيددو محاضرة عن الbug tracing
[14:25] <cobra-the-joker> و مكتوب علي الفيس إنهم هيعملو مشروع لخدمة أوبنتو و تحسينه
[14:26] <mhassan01> teab 3lshan asht3'al m3ko
[14:26] <mhassan01> a3mal ah  w el mafrod akoon 3aref ah ?
[14:26] <cobra-the-joker> mhassan01: شارك بإللي تقدر عليه
[14:27] <Menopia> mhassan01, fe toro2 kter
[14:27] <Menopia> momken targma aw development
[14:27] <Menopia> aw 7ata artwork
[14:27] <Menopia> w momken tenazl nos5et ubuntu 12.04 w tgarbha w law la2et ay bug te3mlha report
[14:28] <mhassan01> ana badres computer scince , momken afeed fe el 7ta bt3e development
[14:28] <Menopia> ah
[14:28] <cobra-the-joker> mhassan01: جامعة ايه ؟
[14:29] <mhassan01> cairo uni
[14:29] <cobra-the-joker> سنة كام :D
[14:29] <mhassan01> 3
[14:29] <cobra-the-joker> تمام ...  أنا كنت فاكرك هو
[14:32] <cobra-the-joker> تشرفنا يا معلم
[14:32] <cobra-the-joker> brb
[14:32] <mhassan01> w ana el 3amlt install l el ubuntu fe lab 7 ,
[14:32] <mhassan01> shofto
[14:32] <Eslam> i guess development a7sn
[14:33] <Eslam> 1- فكرة مشروع
[14:33] <Eslam> 2- تحديد لغة البرمجة
[14:33] <Eslam> 3- المكتبة اللي هتُستخدم لعمل ال
[14:33] <Eslam> gui
[14:34] <Eslam> انا كدا بفكر صح ؟
[14:34] <Eslam> بس كنت محتاج اقرأ عن ubuntu api
[14:37] <EgyParadox> Eslam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[14:37] <seiflotfy> ashams: can i help you
[14:38] <seiflotfy> ashams: can u translate ofr me since i cant write arabic
[14:38] <seiflotfy> but i can read it
[14:38] <seiflotfy> so
[14:38] <Eslam> @EgyParadox Thanks
[14:38] <meetingology> Eslam: Error: "EgyParadox" is not a valid command.
[14:38] <seiflotfy> Eslam: you are approaching the thing to sophsiticatedly
[14:39] <Eslam> yes
[14:39] <Eslam> i would like to approach to something advanced
[14:39] <Eslam> Thanks EgyParadox for the link
[14:40] <EgyParadox> you're welcome
[14:40] <Eslam> have any one worked on Rapid PHP on windows ?
[14:40] <Eslam> i wish i could see such a software on linux
[14:40] <Eslam> fast, easy, simple, comfortable
[14:41] <Eslam> also the shortcuts (keyboard shortcuts) are perfect
[14:41] <seiflotfy> Eslam: u have an idea rightÜ?
[14:42] <Eslam> i thought of something but it may not be useful
[14:42] <Eslam> anyway i will say it in arabic
[14:42] <seiflotfy> go ahead
[14:42] <Eslam> هي الفكرة انا كنت بدأت فيها ووقفت لاني حسيت انها مش مفيدة
[14:42] <Eslam> الفكرة استوحيتها
[14:43] <Eslam> من Chrome OS
[14:43] <Eslam> شاشة واحدة من خلالها بتعمل كل حاجة
[14:43] <Eslam> في لينكس او اي نظام عموما
[14:43] <Eslam> لما بتحب تفتح ملف
[14:43] <Eslam> بتشغل ال file manager
[14:43] <Eslam> لو حبيت تشغل اغنية
[14:43] <Eslam> هتضطر تشغل
[14:43] <Eslam> mp3 player
[14:43] <Eslam> لو حبيت تشغل ملف ضغط
[14:44] <Eslam> هتفتح برنامج برضوا
[14:44] <Eslam> و هكذا و هكذا
[14:44] <seiflotfy> but same things goes for chrome
[14:44] <Eslam> i know
[14:44] <seiflotfy> u open an app that however runs insdie the chrome browser
[14:44] <Eslam> هقولك دلوقتي الاختلاف
[14:44] <seiflotfy> neverthe less it is an app
[14:44] <Eslam> لو ستمع عن elementary
[14:44] <seiflotfy> i am in the board of elementary
[14:45] <seiflotfy> :D
[14:45] <Eslam> كانوا كاتبين عن تشغيل الملفات المضغوطة
[14:45] <Eslam> و تصفحها
[14:45] <Eslam> wow nice
[14:45] <seiflotfy> :D
[14:45] <Eslam> داخل ال file manager
[14:45] <seiflotfy> marlin
[14:45] <Eslam> هي غالبا اتطبقت بالفعل في مارلن
[14:45] <seiflotfy> yeah
[14:45] <Eslam> انا فكرتي ان ممكن كل حاجة تتعمل جوا مصتفح الملفات
[14:46] <Eslam> زي مثلا تشغيل الأغاني
[14:46] <Eslam> ممكن يبقي
[14:46] <Eslam> بار من فوق
[14:46] <seiflotfy> u want one UI to rule them all
[14:46] <Eslam> و ال playlist
[14:46] <seiflotfy> ok
[14:46] <Eslam> ليها زرار
[14:46] <seiflotfy> i got someting for you
[14:46] <Eslam> show/hide
[14:46] <Eslam> انا كنت مسمي البرنامج
[14:46] <seiflotfy> something i worked on 3 years ago that does exactly that
[14:46] <Eslam> gearbox
[14:46] <Eslam> و كنت بفكر ف نظام Plugins
[14:47] <Eslam> يعني فكرتي طلعت محروقة :D
[14:48] <seiflotfy> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/uploads/2009/09/organise-fw.ogv
[14:48] <seiflotfy> :D
[14:49] <seiflotfy> watch this Eslam
[14:50] <Eslam> okay minute
[14:51] <Eslam> the idea of the journal manager is brilliant
[14:51] <seiflotfy> Eslam: u know zeitgeist
[14:51] <seiflotfy> ?
[14:51] <seiflotfy> or gnome-activity-journal
[14:51] <EgyParadox> seiflotfy, is the project maintainor of zeitgeist
[14:51] <Eslam> yeah i know zeitgeist
[14:52] <seiflotfy> Eslam: we need ppl to help us port activity-journal from gtk2 to gtk3
[14:52] <seiflotfy> i am ready to mentor
[14:53] <Eslam> see i am still a beginner, can you in brief explain the porting process
[14:53] <Eslam> as i understand the code is written for gtk2, you need it edit it to be suitable for gtk3 ?
[14:54] <seiflotfy> yeah
[14:54] <seiflotfy> or we can write from scratch which is my preference tbh
[14:55] <Eslam> yeah from scratch is a good idea
[14:55] <Eslam> there is also "Ahmad Sadiq" he is an ubuntu lover
[14:55] <Eslam> he is from palestine
[14:56] <Eslam> we worked on a simple text editor
[14:56] <Eslam> but he preferes Qt
[14:57] <seiflotfy> :D
[14:57] <Eslam> بس انا عندي سؤال
[14:57] <Eslam> فلنتفرض اننا جمعنا فريق
[14:58] <Eslam> ازاي هنقدر نظبط الشغل
[14:58] <Eslam> مثلأ
[14:58] <Eslam> انا لسا مبتدأ
[14:58] <Eslam> و اكيد هيبقي في ناس زي حضرتك
[14:58] <Eslam> مستواها عالي
[14:58] <Eslam> يعني ازاي نوفق بين مهاراتنا
[14:58] <Eslam> انا و احمد صداق كنا بنشتغل علي موقع scrum do
[14:59] <Eslam> بنحط مهمات و بنحدد اهميتها و صعوبتها
[14:59] <Eslam> و بنشوف مين اللي يقدر يعملها
[14:59] <seiflotfy> ok
[14:59] <seiflotfy> 1) no hadretak
[14:59] <seiflotfy> :P
[14:59] <seiflotfy> 2) I dont use scrum really
[14:59] <seiflotfy> i dont believe in scrum and i dont believe in what unis teach us
[14:59] <seiflotfy> i never finished uni and never studies CS
[15:00] <Eslam> علي فكرة انا كلية تجارة :D
[15:00] <Eslam> سنة تانية
[15:00] <Eslam> و فاشل
[15:01] <Eslam> لو مكنتش فاشل مكنش زماني قاعد معاك دلوقتي :D
[15:01] <seiflotfy> HAHAHA
[15:01] <seiflotfy> i love u already
[15:01] <seiflotfy> lol
[15:01] <seiflotfy> so please read
[15:01] <seiflotfy> http://programming-motherfucker.com/
[15:02] <Eslam> lol the domain is very funny
[15:04] <Eslam> does that mean i am a programming motherfucker :D ?
[15:06] <Eslam> very nice site, very nice t-shirt i want to buy one :D
[15:08] <seiflotfy> Eslam: I learned that when it comes to programing what counts most is passion
[15:08] <seiflotfy> anything else can be learned
[15:08] <Eslam> totally agree !
[15:09] <Eslam> علي فكرة انا متحمس جدا و حابب البرمجة اوي
[15:09] <Eslam> بس مشكلتي اني مشتت
[15:09] <Eslam> مش بعرف استقر
[16:01] <mostafs> شباب عندى سؤال
[16:01] <mostafs> ؟
[16:01] <mostafs> منين اقدر احصل على اوبنتو 10.10
[16:01] <mostafs> لان موقع اوبنتو مش علية غير
[16:02] <mostafs> 10.4
[16:02] <mostafs> ؟؟؟؟؟
[17:29] <ahmed-saber> :D
[17:36] <ashams> hey Menopia o/
[17:36] <Menopia> hi ashams
[17:38] <iahvector> Hi all, Your time to shine Shams :D
[17:39] <ashams> iahvector, hope I won't breake it :P
[17:39] <iahvector> It's going to be great isA
[17:39] <ashams> I hope so, Thanks :)
[17:41] <Menopia> ashams, yall hawol .. ana el sa3a 3andy tel3et UTC
[17:41] <Menopia> ma3lesh bgd ma5detsh baly 5ales :(:(
[17:42] <ashams> Menopia, it is not a probelm at all, it's just 19:42
[17:42] <ashams> so we didn't miss anything
[17:42] <ashams> not yet :D
[17:42] <sarhan> hello guys
[17:43] <ashams> Hi sarhan o/
[17:43] <sarhan> UGJ was ok?
[17:43] <ashams> We did not have a venue
[17:43] <ashams> it's tooo cold in here
[17:43] <ashams> brrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:43] <sarhan> why? :(
[17:44] <ashams> cold and raining all the day
[17:44] <sarhan> on tunisia it's hot :D
[17:44]  * ashams feels envy :P
[17:44] <sarhan> ashams, so you will did it on irc?
[17:44] <ashams> yep
[17:45] <ashams> it's almost the same :D
[17:45] <sarhan> you will make a workshop?
[17:45] <ashams> ah, yeah a session then some q&a
[17:46] <ashams> and best practices
[17:47] <sarhan> in english?
[17:47] <ashams> yes
[17:47] <sarhan> or arabic
[17:47] <ashams> eng
[17:47] <sarhan> :(
[17:47] <ashams> it was very hard to right it in arabic
[17:47] <ashams> write*
[17:47] <ashams> :)
[18:01] <ashams> ok, it's time to go
[18:01] <ashams> SA Everybody, This is Ubuntu Global Jam;
[18:01] <ashams> Should we start?
[18:02] <iahvector> OK
[18:03] <NiNo> Ok
[18:03] <ashams> I was announcing to the fb group
[18:03] <ashams> ok
[18:04] <ashams> A Class on Bug Triaging is happening NOW!
[18:04] <ashams> What is a bug?.
[18:04] <ashams> A bug is a problem with some software that makes it behave in a way different from it should!
[18:04] <ashams> If you have incorrect or unexpected result from your software that makes you *unable* to complete your work, then you found a bug!. However, not all problems are bugs...
[18:05] <ashams> What is not a bug?
[18:05] <ashams> Not all issues that obstacle your way are not always bugs, sometimes you miss a feature that would help a lot and help avoiding many other redundant work. Users may report such problems to the bug tracker and Triager should recognize it at once.
[18:06] <ashams> For example, *Support Requests*, these are when the user needs help with using the features of the software, but all problems s/he is facing are not related to software itself but to how s/he uses it.
[18:06] <ashams> Another example can be, *Feature Requests*, these are when you find that a software is lacking some feature, whether this feature is essential or trivial, it's not a bug, it's a request to add a new feature.
[18:07] <ashams> Another example can be, *Feature Requests*, these are when you find that a software is lacking some feature, whether this feature is essential or trivial, it's not a bug, it's a request to add a new feature.
[18:07] <ashams> But, this does NOT mean that Support Requests and Feature Requests shouldn't be reported, but each has it's own method to request.
[18:07] <ashams> To get support, a user can simply go to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu and ask his/her question, this is the traditional way, however, there are many other successful ways, like http://AskUbuntu.com . #ubuntu and #ubuntu-beginners on Freenode, and even by contacting some friends from your LoCo Team....
[18:08] <ashams> Getting back to bugs...
[18:08] <ashams> What are types of bugs?
[18:08] <ashams> Generally, there are 2 different types of bugs: 1)Crash bugs, and 2)non-crash bugs.
[18:08] <ashams> Let's start form the end, 1) *non-crash bugs* are any form of problem that obstacles or slowing the intended productivity. These should be reported by running "ubuntu-bug <package-name)" or through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu (Or you can use the pad.lv url redirector: http://pad.lv/fb/ubuntu)
[18:09] <ashams> (Make use of it: http://pad.lv)
[18:09] <ashams> The other type
[18:09] <ashams> 2) *Crash bugs* are that kind of problems that cause the software to collapse either while loading or while running. This kind of bugs has it's very special nature and gets handled in a special way too. Will come to this later, in detail.
[18:10] <ashams> Ther's another type of bugs, that's bugs related to Ubuntu itself
[18:10] <ashams> not to the software generally
[18:11] <ashams> and those should be fixed by Ubuntu Developers
[18:11] <ashams> Ubuntu has it's own patches to software to adjust it for other Ubuntu specific Components and configurations.
[18:11] <ashams> A good example of Ubuntu-specific changes are making all applications recognize Unity Launcher and notification behaviours across the system, these changes should be applied to all applications. Ubuntu Developers reserve the right, by nature, to change software code to meet Ubuntu's needs.
[18:12] <ashams> Now its' almost clear about bugs itself, but what is bug triaging?
[18:13] <ashams> A Triager is a person who do almost everything for a bu but fixing it :D
[18:13] <ashams> A Triager's work starts when there's a report on the Tracker
[18:14] <ashams> Simply, A Triager's job is to answer the the following questions about a Bug:
[18:14] <ashams> a)Where does that bug *REALLY* come from?
[18:15] <ashams> b)How did it happen, Steps to reproduce.
[18:15] <ashams> c)Does the Report has all information needed to start with fixing it?
[18:15] <ashams> We can understand it better by knowing what it is NOT
[18:16] <ashams> It always worthy to acknowledge that Bug Triaging is not Fixing Bugs, it's just to do everything with a bug till it gets ready to get Fixed, But NOT fixing... Fixing is another story.
[18:16] <ashams> Answering these questions is a matter of practice and changes per bug
[18:17] <ashams> Why Bug Triaging is that important?
[18:17] <ashams> A bug takes 2 to 8 months from the minute it reported to the minute it Fix Released. Long period...
[18:17] <ashams> Now imagine if a developer has to deal with users to ask them to give more information about how and where the bug occurred?
[18:18] <ashams> That would waste a lot of time, right?
[18:18] <ashams> So, what if we made developers work on fixing bugs only, and we do everything else. Won't that save us more time?
[18:18] <ashams> Well, that's why Bug Triaging is Important, because without it, Ubuntu can not actually fit into 6 months development cycle. Or it will be released every 6 months without any significant changes or bug fixes ;O
[18:19] <ashams> A bug triager's work can be like hell some times  and other times it can be pretty clear and direct
[18:19] <ashams> Bug Triaging can be realy hard if s/he doesn't get enough information for the reporter
[18:20] <ashams> but unluckily, not all  bug reporters can give all needed info
[18:20] <ashams> so, there's *Apport*
[18:20] <ashams> What is Apport?
[18:21] <ashams> Apport is the Bug tracing and reporting in Ubuntu, it detects crashes(in non-stable releases) and automates the process of collecting needed information from the victim machine and auto reports the bug to Launchpad Bug Tracking System.
[18:21] <ashams> Apport is not enabled by default in stable releases, even if it is installed, and there are two ways to enable it:
[18:22] <ashams> First One: If you want to debug a specific program once, just open your Terminal and run:
[18:22] <ashams>     sudo service apport start force_start=1
[18:22] <ashams> Then you can simply trigger the crash again, and Apport's dialog will show up with instructions to report a bug with traces. Apport will be automatically disabled on next start.
[18:23] <ashams> Second One: If you want to enable it permanently. Open your Terminal and run:
[18:23] <ashams>     sudo nano /etc/default/apport
[18:23] <ashams> then change "enabled" from "0" to "1".
[18:24] <ashams> But Why Ubuntu has Apport and doesn't just use any other bug reporting application?
[18:24] <ashams> Why Apport?
[18:24] <ashams> That answer is pretty direct:
[18:25] <ashams> In 3 Points.....
[18:25] <ashams> 1) Not all users know how to collect needed information for reporting a bug, right?
[18:25] <ashams> This would make Ubuntu receive a not-enough amount of feedback and thus it affects development action. Plus, there's no such easy bug reporting application that Ubuntu can get into the distro. So, Ubuntu developers had to make it by hand and from scratch.
[18:26] <ashams> 2) It detects Crash bugs and auto reports it(in non-stable releases). Crash bugs may not be reportable without it.
[18:26] <ashams> 3) Existing bug reporting applications like bug-buddy or krash are specific to a particular desktop environment and it's not easy for a distro developer to utilize it to adapt to the specific needs of his distro. Also, other bug reporting solutions do not work for crashes of background servers (like a database or an email server), and do not integrate well with existing debug packages that a distribution might provide, like hooks.
[18:27] <ashams> What are Apport hooks?
[18:27] <ashams> Apport Hooks, are scripts added to a package that tells Apport what are the needs information(i.e. logs and config files) when reporting a bug in that package.
[18:28] <ashams> needed*
[18:28] <ashams> When installing a package that has a Apport Hook, it extacts it to */usr/share/apport/package-hooks*. While reporting a bug about *hot-pkg* (for example), Apport will look in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks to find if there's a hook named *source_hot-pkg.py*, if it found it, it runs it.
[18:29] <ashams> The job of that script is to collect all needed information about that package and save it to a directory, then Apport uploads these information to Launchpad BTS while reporting the bug.
[18:30] <ashams> and it'll be attached to the bug report as seen on this image: http://ubuntuone.com/65GvZqmIYZ56ceEinI2YKu
[18:30] <ashams> Find more about Apport here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[18:31] <ashams> Apport would not be able to do this without full compatibility from Launchpad
[18:32] <ashams> Launchpad BTS is a great way to track bugs.....
[18:33] <ashams> What is launchpad BTS?
[18:33] <ashams> Every peace of software should have it's own BTS(Bug Tracking System), that receives bug reports from users and manages it during the life cycle of that bug.
[18:33] <ashams> Ubuntu uses the Launchpad BTS, also called *Malone*, for all bug work.
[18:33] <ashams> Malone, receives bug reports, keeps information files and tracks the status of a bug on the upstream BTS.
[18:34] <ashams> Upstream: Ubuntu is a distro that collects it's components from everywhere and puts it into one place. A distro is like a fall, of a river, that all components fall into, thus it has a stream of development above all other development happen in Ubuntu.
[18:35] <ashams> Bug Triagers deal with Malone all the time... and it's quite lovely
[18:36] <ashams> More on bugs living on Malone.
[18:36] <ashams> Bug Status
[18:36] <ashams> What is bug status?
[18:36] <ashams> A bug has a life cycle that can take from 2 to 8 months to get fixed. All effort happens in Ubuntu is solely a collaborative work. Means, everybody has the right/needs to see what is happening in every bit of the system.
[18:37] <samman> what kind of bug it can be ?
[18:38] <ashams> any type of bug
[18:38] <samman> like !!!!!!!
[18:38] <ashams> Without that, a real big problems and waste of time can occur. Simply because, if two developers know about one bug and each one of them don't know about each other's activity with that bug, they can work against each other and waste time on fixing the same bug, instead of fixing *two*.
[18:38] <ashams> samman, you need an example of a bug?
[18:39] <samman> YEs
[18:39] <ashams> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061
[18:40] <ashams> That's a well known one
[18:42] <sarhan> !bug 1
[18:42] <ashams> see how ppl change bug status to reflect what they do, like on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061/comments/43
[18:43] <ashams> We'll discuss bug status in detail
[18:43] <ashams> Thus, a bug status should always acknowledge what's happening with that bug till it gets fixed.
[18:43] <ashams> Launchpad Bug Tracking System(lp bts) has some realistic status options:
[18:44] <ashams> *New*: Bugs are submitted with this status and they still need to be triaged.
[18:45] <ashams> Incomplete: Set bug to this status if you need to ask the *original* reporter a question.
[18:45] <ashams> Note: Bugs with this status will give the reporter 60 days to reply and change status, else lp bts will auto-set bug status to *Expired*, so use it with care.
[18:45] <ashams> See status on launchpad either by getting to the previous bug link, or by just veiwing this screen shot: http://ubuntuone.com/5vKRiVnJQjKSNYnJX51pva
[18:46] <ashams> Status: *Opinion*: Use this bug status to mark that the community did not decide whether it's a bug to be fixed or not a bug at all.
[18:47] <ashams> This status acknowledges that the report is *Closed* and developers can look at something else, but lp bts will allow discussing and commenting till  a decision shows up, then anyone can set it back to *New* and Triaging work will be started over.
[18:48] <ashams> Status: *Invalid*: This status declares that this is not a bug at all, but rather an intended behaviour.
[18:48] <ashams> It will close the report and won't allow further discussion.
[18:48] <ashams> Status: *Expired*: It came to be a bug status after 60 days of setting it to *Incomplete*. Or, a Triager can set it him/herself but it's not a recommended action, just ask your question and set it to *incomplete* and a bot will take care of it.
[18:50] <ashams> Status: *Confirmed*: Set it to acknowledge that you're sure that the described bug is really there.
[18:50] <ashams> Status: *Triaged*: After being set to *Confirmed*, a Bug Control member will come and check if that report has all needed information to start working on it.
[18:50] <ashams> AND to here, the bug triage is almost done.
[18:51] <ashams> From now on, a developer will be almost in charge of that bug, but a triager still can change status as part of his/her work
[18:52] <ashams> Status: *In Progress*: This status will be set the person working on that bug, and that declares that s/he is now in charge of it so bug triagers should ask him/her for update before changing Status/Importance.
[18:52] <ashams> Status: *Fix Committed*: That shows that a developer has fixed it but it wasn't uploaded to the Public Archive yet OR it was fixed somewhere Upstream.
[18:53] <ashams> Fix Committed is also used when an updated package exists in a -proposed repository i.e. lucid-proposed.
[18:53] <ashams> that wil be waiting to get moved to the main archive
[18:54] <ashams> Status: *Fix Released*: That shows that a bug is now fixed and uploaded to Archive and people can now update their systems.
[18:54] <ashams> If a bug is fixed in the current development release, it is Fix Released. If the bug also needs to be fixed in a stable release, use the "Target to release" link to nominate it for that release.
[18:55] <ashams> We still have one Status;
[18:55] <ashams> Status: *Won't Fix*: Bug Reports with this status are almost not pure bugs, but rather a change to some feature that some ppl see it doesn't behave correctly that way and others see it behaves correctly :)
[18:55] <ashams> Thus, it can be used with bugs too controversial.
[18:55] <ashams> Triager can also use it to mark a bug that was nominated to be fixed in some release, but it won't be fixed for some reason!
[18:56] <ashams> Plus, it can be used for *Feature Requests*(reported as bugs), to declare that developers do not want to implement that feature for some reason.
[18:56] <ashams> More Here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[18:57] <ashams> Last thing, is to be a good triager and that's the hardest part.....
[18:57] <ashams> No body knows everything and no body born with Linux Knowledge.
[18:57] <ashams> If I tried to triage bugs for some software I do not use or know about, I'll hate bug triage for ever.
[18:58] <ashams> Start triaging with the simplest bugs first to get used to lp bts.
[18:58] <ashams> Then get a bit deeper as you go by time..
[18:58] <ashams> If you need anything any time, join to #ubuntu-bugs , #ubuntu-beginners or #ubuntu and ask.
[18:58] <ashams> And remember, there are no stupid questions-- don't be shy!
[18:59] <ashams> Google is your friend, plus, Ubuntu has some great resources to help you finish the job.
[18:59] <ashams> such resources are:
[18:59] <ashams> http://search.ubuntuwire.com
[18:59] <ashams> http://manpages.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <ashams> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <ashams> http://help.ubuntu.com
[18:59] <ashams> Ubuntu Wiki resources:
[18:59] <ashams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[18:59] <ashams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[19:00] <ashams> and also other distros' Documentation and KnowledgeBases like Arch Linux's: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Step_By_Step_Debugging_Guide
[19:01] <ashams> Final thing, Good Triagers have their own set of manners:
[19:01] <ashams> 1) You'll represent the whole Ubuntu Community, so make sure you make it look good. Be neat in answers and comprehensive while giving support.
[19:02] <ashams> 2) Be always polite, even if ppl are not polite to you or they break CoC(Code of Conduct: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct).
[19:02] <ashams> 3) Triage for Software you are comfortable with, if not, study it first.
[19:03] <ashams> 4) Use Standard responses if possible(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses).
[19:04] <ashams> well, that was all
[19:04] <ashams> now go ahead and try it
[19:04] <ashams> if you need any help drop it here
[19:04] <Menopia> Thanks ashams for this great session
[19:05] <ashams> Thanks, I hope I didn't cause you headache :)
[19:05] <iahvector> The session is logged, right? I want the log please.
[19:05] <ashams> iahvector, ok, one sec
[19:06] <ashams> iahvector, here you go: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/02/%23ubuntu-eg.html#t18:04
[19:07] <iahvector> Thanks :)
[19:07] <ashams> yw :-)
[19:08] <ashams> If anyone wants to give it a try, you can start here: http://is.gd/nOxAV2
[19:16] <Hatem_> السلام عليكم
[19:18] <ashams> وعليكم السلام
[22:26] <nspirit> هو مش المفروض 12!
[22:26] <ashams> 12 ايه؟
[22:27] <nspirit> الأيفنت
[22:27] <ashams> يخلص الساعة 12 يعني؟
[22:27] <ashams> الايفنت من يوم 2 ليوم 4 أصلاً
[22:28] <nspirit> انا دخلت امبارح في نفس الميعاد ملاقتش حاجه
[22:28] <ashams> مش محدد بساعة، حتى لو ساعة واحدة في اليوم أو يوم واحد
[22:28] <nspirit> اهاا
[22:28] <ashams> أه، كنا نايمين مثلاً
[22:28] <ashams> :)
[22:28] <nspirit> طيب وحصل كلام فأي ساعه ولا لسه :D
[22:29] <ashams> أه، لحظة
[22:29] <nspirit> اوك اتفضل
[22:29] <ashams> nspirit, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/02/%23ubuntu-eg.html#t18:04
[22:30] <ashams> بكرة، ان شاء الله هيبقى في درس تاني عن Zeitgeist
[22:30] <ashams> الساعة 8
[22:30] <ashams> على الله سيف ماينساش seiflotfy :P
[22:30] <nspirit> اوك إن شاء الله
[22:31] <ashams> هرب...
[22:31] <nspirit> ههههههههههههههه


[16:37] <alan_g> alf: happy with this update? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/nested-server-uses-host-graphics-platform/+merge/281886
[16:39] <alf> alan_g: not pushed yet?
[16:39] <alan_g> Hmm...
[16:44] <alan_g> ...push failed (yesterday) because I'd not synced local working copy between desktop and laptop
[16:44] <alan_g> alf: pushd
[16:48] <alf> alan_g: approved
[16:49] <alan_g> thanks^2


[02:13] <drkokandy_> .wx 44805
[02:13] <jenni> Cover Unknown, 12°C, 1022mb, N SC, Light air 2kt (↑) - LFRS, 02:00Z
[02:14] <drkokandy_> unknown O.O
[02:16] <Unit193> drkokandy: Simple, you live in a strange, strange land. :D
[02:16] <drkokandy> seems like just normal nighttime out there
[02:17] <drkokandy> must be they can't tell if it's cloudy because of the darkness
[03:11] <skellat> .wx 44004
[03:11] <jenni> Clear ☼, 59.0°F (15°C), 30.02in (1013mb), Calm 0kt (↑) - KYNG 02:51Z
[03:12] <skellat> .wx Ashland, Ohio
[03:12] <jenni> KSKY: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
[03:13] <skellat> .wx KERI
[03:13] <jenni> Cloudy, 12°C, 1018mb, Mist, Patches Fog, Light air 1kt (↑) - EETN, 02:50Z
[03:14] <skellat> .wx 16501
[03:14] <jenni> Clear ☼, 59.0°F (15°C), 30.02in (1013mb), Calm 0kt (↑) - KYNG 02:51Z
[03:16] <skellat> .wx 15701
[03:16] <jenni> Clear ☼, 12°C, 1023mb, Light air 2kt (↻) - LEST 03:00Z
[03:17] <skellat> No jenni, that's nowhere near the hometown of Jimmy Stewart where Indiana University of Pennsylvania is based
[03:18] <Unit193> Latrobe, Pennsylvania: Temp: 64 F (18 C) ~ Partly Cloudy ~ Heat index: NA ~ Humidity: 100%
[03:20] <drkokandy> aw, jenni in trouble
[03:25] <yano> :3
[03:25] <Unit193> yano: Hello!
[03:26] <yano> Unit193: hi! :-)
[03:26] <Unit193> I hear choppers.
[03:27] <yano> do they have chickens in them?
[03:27] <yano> anyone get the reference?
[03:28] <skellat> I'm thinking of the WKRP Turkey Drop
[03:29] <yano> aww
[03:29] <yano> nope
[03:29] <yano> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI
[03:29] <jenni> [ Cows With Guns - The Original Animation - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/129tKvG
[03:31] <Unit193> yano: Yep, I got the reference.
[03:31] <yano> \o/
[03:32] <Unit193> (Wasn't sure if that was referencing somthing else.)
[03:36] <skellat> http://youtu.be/lf3mgmEdfwg
[03:36] <jenni> [ WKRP "As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly" Thanksgiving - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/13Ek8ah


[14:39] <asu_> hola
[18:05] <ran> Problem With font rendering in Xubuntu 23.04 - Grayscale anti-aliasing not available as it used to be in 22.10
[18:07] <ran> in Setting Manager In Appearance When selecting "Enable anti-aliasing" and Hinting set to "none" and "Sub-pixel order" set to "none" the hinting/anti-aliasing is set to RGB and not grayscale anti-aliasing as it used to be, So there isn't a way to change to grayscale anti-aliasing, thre is only RGB anti-aliasing. The problem is that not anyone likes RGB hinting/anti-aliasing, and some fonts look bad especially on black/dark background.


[00:36] <cyberanger> hey mac9416
[00:45] <mac9416> Hey, cyberanger, wrst! Sorry, I was afk.
[00:45] <mac9416> How're y'all?
[00:46] <wrst> good mac9416 how have things been going for you?
[00:46] <mac9416> Pretty good, even though I just upgraded an offline machine from an alternate CD and screwed it up royally.
[00:47] <mac9416> But this apple cider sure tastes fine.  :-)
[00:47] <mac9416> And a bug I reported two months ago just got some attention.
[00:48] <wrst> well that is good what bug?
[00:49] <mac9416> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/653293
[00:52] <mac9416> bbiab
[00:53] <wrst> oh goodness mac9416 i had noticed that glad you thought to file a bug!
[01:14] <cyberanger> my T-Mobile G2 is awesome, has been rooted for a few weeks, with cyanogenmod installed right after, and now it's sim subsidy lock is removed, woo hoo yes!
[01:15] <wrst> congrats cyberanger, even though i have no clue what you just said
[01:15] <cyberanger> and thanks to connectbot or andchat (I choose connectbot) I'm able to share this news with you all
[01:16]  * cyberanger wishes he had a spare android phone to hand wrst to let him enjoy some city tech in the boondocks
[01:17] <cyberanger> mac9416: so to answer your question in one word, Sweet
[01:17] <cyberanger> wrst: android is linux (very oversimplified) rooting (getting root on an android) isn't as simple as sudo
[01:18] <wrst> i wish you had an android phone to hand me also, i've been on the hunt for one eventually i will get one just because of it being linux open more or less etc etc
[01:18] <cyberanger> and (oh, this one's gonna burn a little) installing cyanogenmod is like going from ubuntu to crunchbang, much faster
[01:20] <cyberanger> the last part isn't as simple to explain, luckily I just switched to my desktop now, so I'm not all thumbs
[01:21] <cyberanger> T-Mobile, AT&T, and many other carriers in other countries (and smaller ones here) use GSM
[01:23] <cyberanger> the phones are all (oversimplified) the same, switching service is as easy as taking a plastic chip that comes with the phone (this is the sim card) and sticking it in the phone
[01:25] <cyberanger> but the two big carriers here (and others too) pay for the phones full price, with a sim lock (T-Mobile uses the term SIM Subsidy lock, there are more than one kind of sim locks, but I've only ever seen a subsidy lock in use)
[01:25] <cyberanger> and you get it cheaper, becuase part of the phone cost is in the phone bill
[01:26] <cyberanger> that lock prevents me from using it with anyone but the carrier I bought the phone from, till it's unlocked, which in my case is today
[01:26] <cyberanger> wrst: make sense?
[01:27] <wrst> ha ha yes
[01:33] <cyberanger> this will be useful some point in 2011 (forget back to the future, I'm heading back to canada. (I hate being a tourist, but I don't mind visiting an intresting place)
[01:33] <cyberanger> )
[01:34] <cyberanger> four phones I own are unlocked now, gotta see about a 5th
[01:35] <wrst> well cyberanger i'm about to see if i can get natty to install again... yesterday was not such a good attempt
[01:55] <cyberanger> wrst: what went wrong
[01:56] <cyberanger> wrst_natty: what went wrong
[01:56] <cyberanger> what went wrong, your CLI usage seems right ;-)
[02:00]  * cyberanger thinks he just came up with something clevar, must try it
[02:01] <wrst_natty> cyberanger: never would boot yesterday
[02:01] <wrst_natty> tried todays daily image and there is unity... sorta but making progress, i think :)
[02:03] <wrst_natty> well i'm signing off cyberanger while this is installing
[02:06] <cyberanger> wrst_natty: maybe using a netisnt would help
[02:07] <cyberanger> and see you later (with weechat I hope, where's quassel ;-))
[03:03] <cyberanger> wb excid3
[03:13] <excid3> hey cyberanger
[03:13] <excid3> irccloud just didn't reconnect to all my channels
[03:15] <cyberanger> all? what ones did it not miss ;-)
[03:20] <cyberanger> excid3: ^ it sounds like a good service, but that sounds like a bad glitch
[21:59]  * wrst yawns
[22:03]  * wrst pokes cyberanger to see if he is still alive


[21:14] <yano> whoa! https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/14/hyperloop-one-global-finalists/
[21:14] <jenni> [ Hyperloop One reveals 10 strongest potential Hyperloop routes in the world | TechCrunch ] - https://bit.ly/2f8s8mb


[01:50] <darkxst> Laney, does debian have spidermonkey 17?
[05:06] <Laney> darkxst: in NEW
[05:19] <darkxst> Laney, right, well gjs had two seperate branches for 1.38, I could r
[05:19] <darkxst> prepare a package with the other non js17 branch
[05:19] <darkxst> but the real improvements come from spidermonk
[05:19] <darkxst> spidermonkey,
[05:35] <darkxst> Laney, also gnome-shell and cinnamon need to be patched due to an api change
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[07:01] <jibel> Good morning
[07:59] <mlankhorst> oh btw, good morning
[09:58] <mlankhorst> oh great, storm incoming. :o
[15:53] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[15:54] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:55] <qengho> desrt: http://thecodelesscode.com/case/6
[15:57] <Mirv> jetlag morning
[15:58] <sil2100> seb128: hello! How was the flight?
[15:59] <seb128> sil2100, hey, good, I was in Canada before so short flight for me
[15:59] <sil2100> Ah, hacky but nice ;)
[15:59] <Mirv> hey sil2100 :)
[15:59] <sil2100> seb128: quick question - could you add me to the ~lightdm-team? I need to redeploy something in cu2d-config but I can't since I don't have access there
[16:00] <sil2100> Mirv: morning! Didn't see you log in as well! How was your flight? ;)
[16:00] <Mirv> sil2100: log in? I'm always online except for vacations
[16:01] <Mirv> sil2100: flight was "the usual", but it went alright. first night also "the usual", but not the worst.
[16:01] <Mirv> feeling relatively good
[16:01] <sil2100> Mirv: I meant like, log in like, log into our world ;)
[16:01] <seb128> sil2100, I'm not a lightdm admin, needs robert_ancell there
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, where are you?
[16:02] <seb128> desktop room is kind of not full
[16:02] <sil2100> seb128: well, LP says you are ;)
[16:02] <sil2100> seb128: Sebastien Bacher 2011-08-09 – Administrator
[16:02] <seb128> sil2100, oh, I don't feel like I'm active enough in that team to add peoples
[16:03] <seb128> it's a bit suboptimal that the integration team needs to be given full access to all the upstream projects that way
[16:03] <sil2100> Ah, ok, well, it's still a requirement for us from the unity integration team to have access to all branches that we release, so I'll have to poke Robert later on
[16:03] <sil2100> Since otherwise we can't get stuff done
[16:03] <sil2100> Like for instance, now :|
[16:04] <Mirv> sil2100: can't you use -S?
[16:04] <seb128> sil2100, can you mp it so I can approve it/get it in?
[16:04] <sil2100> Mirv: didn't help strangely, I redeployed with -S and the project was still disabled
[16:05] <Mirv> sil2100: hmm, okay
[16:05] <Mirv> sil2100: -US?
[16:05] <seb128> Mirv, where are you guys? aren't you supposed to be in the desktop room?
[16:05] <Mirv> seb128: ah we're seeing the plenary session even though technically we wouldn't need to
[16:05] <sil2100> Mirv: -US didn't try ;) Maybe this is the secret technique here
[16:06] <seb128> Mirv, oh ok, weird that most desktop people are not in the desktop room
[16:06] <seb128> Mirv, is the plenary any good?
[16:07] <Mirv> seb128: we're coming soon. plenary mostly reiterating what we know, but it's always useful to refresh one's mind.
[16:07] <seb128> ok
[16:13] <mterry> attente, is there a mailing list for indicator developers?
[16:13] <mterry> tedg, ^?
[16:24] <Laney> seb128: here now!
[16:28] <seb128> mterry, not really, why?
[16:28] <seb128> Laney, hey ;-)
[16:29] <Laney> hey
[16:29] <mterry> seb128, I wanted to give a warning/request-for-work about the new indicator mode phone_greeter (an analog for desktop_greeter)
[16:29] <Laney> did you see the autopilot MP?
[16:29] <Laney> !!!
[16:29] <mterry> tedg, ^ is that enough warning?  :)
[16:30] <seb128> mterry, just pinging larsu / charles / ted is enough I guess ;-)
[16:30] <seb128> Laney, yeah, it's next on todolist
[16:30] <charles> mterry, yes ted was talking about that this morning
[16:31] <Laney> Looks like all of those could be run as autopkgtest also
[16:31] <Laney> if we want to do that
[16:38] <seb128> Laney, that would be good
[16:59] <didrocks> kenvandine: robru: Mirv: sil2100: cyphermox: hey guys!
[16:59] <kenvandine> hey didrocks
[16:59] <robru> didrocks, where are you? we are in 208
[16:59] <didrocks> robru: I'm in the client sprint, 3rd floor
[16:59] <sil2100> Hi!
[16:59] <sil2100> :)
[16:59] <didrocks> hey sil2100, how are you?
[17:00] <didrocks> let's try to fit and finish the Mir shipping together :)
[17:00] <sil2100> Not bad, feeling a bit alone! It feels as if almost all teams are gone ;p
[17:00] <didrocks> sil2100: heh, indeed, quiet time ;)
[17:00] <robru> sil2100, are you not in oakland?
[17:00] <sil2100> At least in the mornings
[17:00] <didrocks> sil2100: is everything built now for Mir?
[17:00] <sil2100> robru: sadly not
[17:00] <robru> sil2100, nooo! we miss you!
[17:01] <Mirv> heya didrocks
[17:01] <sil2100> didrocks: the platform stack is still not ready, didn't notice that platform-api got actually yellow
[17:01] <sil2100> didrocks: because there was a direct push to distro
[17:01] <sil2100> didrocks: it's fixed and rebuilding
[17:01] <sil2100> didrocks: cyphermox now takes care of that
[17:01] <didrocks> excellent!
[17:01] <sil2100> didrocks: in the meantime, I confirmed on my desktop that XMir is working
[17:01] <Mirv> sil2100: didrocks: do you have / should you have the mir status tracking in the landing pipeline doc?
[17:01] <sil2100> (from the PPA)
[17:01] <didrocks> cyphermox: so, once that's done, you are going to test that and ship it!
[17:01] <didrocks> sil2100: \o/
[17:02] <didrocks> sil2100: do you know if xserver is just a rebuild or has a patch?
[17:02] <cyphermox> didrocks: yeah
[17:02] <didrocks> Mirv: please update it :)
[17:02] <didrocks> Mirv: but yeah, agreed
[17:02] <cyphermox> didrocks: I'll rebuild xserver-xorg-xmir in the PPA as well soon
[17:02] <Mirv> didrocks: I'd need sil2100 since I don't what he has tested :)
[17:02] <cyphermox> so heads up w.r.t PPA usage...
[17:02] <didrocks> sil2100: updating the spreadsheet?
[17:03] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you know if it's just a rebuild? no patch needed?
[17:03] <sil2100> didrocks: from what I know it's just a rebuild
[17:03] <Mirv> sil2100: I think there are already a lot of columns in the landing 268 but just add more..
[17:03] <didrocks> sil2100: did you check in the PPA?
[17:03]  * didrocks looks
[17:03] <sil2100> didrocks: yes
[17:03] <cyphermox> didrocks: supposed to be just a no-change rebuild... that's what you said on friday
[17:03] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, although I only did desktop testing ;)
[17:03] <didrocks> cyphermox: sil2100: dont' trust, check! :)
[17:03] <didrocks> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155015439/xorg-server_2%3A1.14.3-3ubuntu3_2%3A1.14.3-3ubuntu3trusty0.diff.gz
[17:03] <sil2100> didrocks: * Rebuild for mir-team staging PPA
[17:03] <didrocks> yeah, it is ^
[17:03] <didrocks> sil2100: don't trust the changelog! :)
[17:04] <sil2100> hehe
[17:04] <sil2100> Right!
[17:04] <didrocks> ok, cyphermox: you are handling that one then? if you publish to distro, just wait for Mir to be published in proposed and do that upload as well?
[17:04] <cyphermox> so sil2100, you can follow on the premise that I'm doing the ABI stuff, yeah
[17:04] <cyphermox> yeah
[17:04] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, so are you testing the touch now too? it smoke tested fine for me already last week, but of course there are now new changes as well
[17:04] <didrocks> once Mir will be unblocked, we'll be able to resume activies as normal
[17:04] <Mirv> (the mirserver9/mirclient4)
[17:04] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks a lot, good luck :)
[17:05] <cyphermox> didrocks: gonna need more than luck
[17:05] <cyphermox> didrocks: it's more like "good code"
[17:05] <didrocks> maybe divide the testing/dogfooding
[17:05] <cyphermox> :)
[17:05] <didrocks> so that we even have more luck
[17:05] <didrocks> :)
[17:05] <didrocks> Mirv: you can pair with robru to show him (as he doesn't have the device) how you are testing things ^
[17:05] <robru> didrocks, can you get me a device? :-P
[17:05] <sil2100> Mirv: once the platform-api bits are rebuilt I can try testing, but it's already late around here ;)
[17:05] <didrocks> I think that would be a good tutoring :)
[17:06] <cyphermox> robru: msm. I think
[17:06] <didrocks> robru: working with people to get you one :)
[17:06] <robru> didrocks, great, thx
[17:06] <cyphermox> didrocks: ok so you are handling it?
[17:06] <sil2100> robru: I'll be missing you guys too! I already do miss the desktop team actually, all alone in my EU mornings ;)
[17:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: oh no, it's all on you now :)
[17:06] <didrocks> I think, handle the mechanical piece
[17:06] <cyphermox> didrocks: what?
[17:06] <Mirv> didrocks: I just plugged my nexus4 into robru's machine :)
[17:06] <didrocks> and Mirv/robru pair on the testing side
[17:06] <cyphermox> didrocks: you mean getting robru a device?
[17:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: ah that, yeah, I'll try, don't worry
[17:06] <cyphermox> ok
[17:07] <didrocks> (I thought you talked about Mir)
[17:07] <cyphermox> didrocks: in the meantime I have a maguro robru can use
[17:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: for Mir, do you think it's a good idea?
[17:08] <cyphermox> didrocks: should work.
[17:08] <cyphermox> didrocks: there is no alternative, unless there is a free mako somewhere
[17:08] <didrocks> cyphermox: ok, mind letting him meanwhile? at least for this week?
[17:08] <didrocks> yeah
[17:08] <cyphermox> didrocks: yes, that's what I meant
[17:08] <didrocks> oh right, that would be sweet!
[17:08] <cyphermox> I brought it specifically for that reason
[17:08] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox :)
[17:09] <cyphermox> didrocks: can we leave you to harass the necessary people to fix Mir on nakasi?
[17:09] <cyphermox> I mean, grouper
[17:09] <cyphermox> damn codenames :)
[17:09] <didrocks> cyphermox: I'm a professional harasser :)
[17:10] <cyphermox> yay
[17:10] <cyphermox> didrocks: where are you?
[17:10] <didrocks> cyphermox: in the client room (3rd floor)
[17:11] <cyphermox> ah ok
[17:20] <sil2100> didrocks, cyphermox, Mirv, robru: be sure to send me an e-mail near your EOD on what has been done and what needs to be done in my EU timezone, this way we'll have things worked on during your sleep ;)
[17:20] <robru> sil2100, will do
[17:21] <didrocks> sil2100: work done while we are sleeping (or waiting because of jetlagged?)? Loving it! :)
[17:22] <sil2100> ;p
[17:29] <Mirv> sil2100: I guess we need to retest the desktop side as well from the daily-build PPA
[17:29] <Mirv> but that's quick with the correctly build packages, the device side is more difficult
[17:30] <Mirv> especially since I now haven't found a way to run Unity 8 AP:s - which are known to be broken but should be somehow (how?) fixed with the new Mir now
[17:30] <sil2100> Mirv: so when running them 'normally' they all still fail even with the latest mir and unity8? Or you didn't try the latest bits yet?
[17:31] <Mirv> sil2100: I tested them on Friday, and yes they fail when I do it the way I did have them running with Mir before
[17:31] <Mirv> sil2100: but I haven't used the 'install utah locally' method, have you?
[17:32] <Mirv> I've just used phablet-test-run -n
[17:32] <sil2100> Mirv: I used it in the past, yes - let me maybe try this now
[17:32] <sil2100> Mirv: you know if all platform-api bits are rebuilt already now?
[17:33] <sil2100> Mirv: anyway, the instructions are on the wikipage (at least they should be)
[17:36] <didrocks> Mirv: maybe disable the automated rebuild if there is one coming soon
[17:36] <Mirv> sil2100: the instructions are there but I'm worried they're not the perfect ones (yet). so if we find anything additional let's just update the page.
[17:37] <Mirv> didrocks: where's the schedule right now?
[17:37] <Mirv> there's a build ongoing atm, though
[17:37] <didrocks> Mirv: don't trust me, look at the _all-build job
[17:37] <didrocks> with dailight saving and time shift, I have no idea :)
[17:37] <Mirv> ah.
[17:37] <Mirv> thrice a day
[17:38] <Mirv> so you're right, in 20mins
[17:40] <Mirv> cyphermox disabled it now with toggle_stack_state
[17:40] <cyphermox> sil2100: btw, that's in cupstream2distro-config; see --help
[17:40] <cyphermox> for the magic everything job, that's
[17:41] <cyphermox> ./toggle_stack_state.py -r head build_all --disable
[17:41] <sil2100> Oh, nice
[17:41] <cyphermox> we'll hopefully re-enable before EOD
[17:41] <Mirv> sil2100: so, platform-api was built but now qtubuntu is building, and then unity-mir
[17:47] <seb128> larsu, can you add a testcase to bug #1199877 ?
[17:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1199877 in Unity 7.1 "unity-panel-service memory leak and 100% CPU usage" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199877
[17:47] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, thanks, let's wait for those to finish then
[18:14] <Laney> darkxst: 17> don't bother, we can upload it there when it's through
[18:14] <Laney> darkxst: & do you have debdiffs for the patches handy?
[18:18] <seb128> dobey, is https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/94f7beb32c9a9172de3f9281691510762d655d47 on your todolist? it's one of the most reported saucy issue
[18:20] <dobey> seb128: no, webkit bugs don't make my todo list
[18:22] <seb128> dobey, if it's a wekbit bug you might want to reassign it there so webkit maintainers see it on their list?
[18:22] <seb128> dobey, rather than keeping it on -s-c and ignoring it
[18:22] <dobey> i thought i did
[18:23] <seb128> dobey, the tracker has https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1211887 for it
[18:23] <ubot2> seb128: Error: launchpad bug 1211887 not found
[18:23] <seb128> which is on s-c
[18:23] <dobey> seb128: it's 1163886
[18:23] <seb128> dobey, that's not reassigned either
[18:24] <dobey> yes i know. i said "i thought i already did"
[18:24] <seb128> k
[18:24] <dobey> what is the webkit source package?
[18:24] <seb128> it would still be nice if you could look at it/upstream the bug at least
[18:24] <seb128> "webkit"
[18:26] <dobey> ok, added webkit (Ubuntu) to the bug
[18:26] <Laney> speaking of that
[18:26] <dobey> i don't have the time to go chasing upstream for it though
[18:26] <Laney> can we take webkitgtk?
[18:28]  * Laney adds it to todo
[18:28] <seb128> Laney, webkitgtk?
[18:29] <Laney> http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/webkitgtk.html
[18:29] <seb128> Laney, oh, webkit2, that's being discussed a bit on ubuntu-desktop]
[18:29] <seb128> @
[18:30] <Laney> oh yeah I remember seeing that
[18:31] <Laney> should be alright, it provides the old api
[18:34] <seb128> Laney, the issue was the xerror bug, but it seems we already have that in the current version
[18:35] <Laney> yeah?
[18:35] <Laney> is that confirmed?
[18:41] <seb128> Laney, well, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/94f7beb32c9a9172de3f9281691510762d655d47
[18:42] <Laney> ah
[18:43] <Laney> yes indeed, I clicked into an instance and found the old one
[18:43] <Laney> xnox: do you remember this bug ^? Did your reproducer require the new webkit?
[18:48] <sil2100> Mirv: need to EOD for now, but if I get some tests running later on I'll be updating the spreadsheet
[18:48] <sil2100> o/
[19:20] <GunnarHj> attente: Hi Will, do you have a minute to talk about bug 1240058?
[19:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1240058 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "UI uses chinese, french and english simultaneously" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240058
[19:25] <Mirv> robru: apt-get install libunity-mir1 libplatform-api1-hybris libubuntu-application-api-mirclient1 libubuntu-application-api-mirserver1 libubuntu-application-api1 libubuntu-platform-hardware-api1 libmirclient4 libmirplatform libmirprotobuf0 libmirserver9 unity8 unity8-fake-env unity8-private
[19:26] <robru> Mirv, thanks
[19:31] <tedg> xnox, Ubiquity is confusing.
[19:32] <tedg> xnox, I want to add "init --user --startup-event indicator-services-start" to the startup
[19:32] <tedg> xnox, Where do I do that?
[19:32] <ogra_> ubiquity ships its own dm
[19:32] <tedg> Kinda, it seems to start a bunch of others...
[19:33] <ogra_> DMs ?
[19:33] <ogra_> no
[19:33] <tedg> And that's what confusing
[19:33] <tedg> Well I guess multiple WMs
[19:33] <TheMuso> tedg: You probably want the ubiquity panel code in src/panel I believe.
[19:33] <ogra_> iirc it uses start on starting "list of all DMs we know"
[19:33] <TheMuso> IIRC the panel code deals with the indocators.
[19:34] <ogra_> so that it blocks them
[19:34] <tedg> Yeah, i was thinking it was bin/ubiquity-dm because that's starts nm-applet
[19:34] <tedg> But I'm not sure how to parse all the 'ifs"
[19:34] <ogra_> ah, yeah, it tries to cover all cases for flavours
[19:35] <ogra_> (xubuntioo doesnt ship compiz, kde uses kdm etc etc)
[19:35] <ogra_> *xubuntu
[19:35] <ogra_> err
[19:35] <ogra_> kwm
[19:35] <tedg> So I'm not sure how to handle all that.
[19:36] <ogra_> look for the compiz start code
[19:36] <ogra_> you most likely only want to change that one
[19:37] <tedg> I'm thinking it should be in the same cases that we run the ubiquity panel.
[19:38] <ogra_> yeah, most likely
[19:39] <tedg> Is there a way to test this?
[19:39] <tedg> Aside from finding a machine that needs an install?
[19:39] <tedg> :-)
[19:40] <ogra_> a VM ?
[19:40] <ogra_> (btw, there is #ubuntu-installer)
[19:41] <tedg> Hmm, okay.  I don't have the disk space for it in my laptop.
[19:41] <tedg> :-/
[19:41] <tedg> Okay, apparently it's lunch time.  thanks for the help ogra_!
[19:41] <ogra_> :)
[20:48] <darkxst> Laney, nope, but its just this patch from git https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=11d997c42bb265d29aec84b88ea9ecdd51a2dfe9
[21:02] <jasoncwarner_> hey seb128 and ted, having an issue with my phone atm. I think I mistyped my password for a wifi connection and now I can't find a way to retype it! it just won't connect and no way to change/clear it or what not.
[21:03] <jasoncwarner_> just an FYI, really...bug and testing thingy
[21:09] <darkxst> Laney, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/146223575/gnome-shell_3.8.3-1ubuntu4_3.8.3-1ubuntu5.diff.gz
[21:18] <cyphermox> jasoncwarner_: can I help?
[21:18] <cyphermox> jasoncwarner_: the password changelog and removing connections is something that is planned, right ted?
[21:48] <mterry> robert_ancell, "Logging to /var/log/lightdm/(null)-greeter.log"
[21:48] <robert_ancell> mterry, ah
[21:49] <robert_ancell> mterry, you can probably set the ID to "mir" by default and then set it when you connect the session to the display server
[21:49] <robert_ancell> that log should probably be based on the greeter name, not the display server name
[21:49] <mterry> robert_ancell, agreed
[21:49] <mterry> robert_ancell, another session vs server problem
[21:50] <robert_ancell> yep


[22:39] <BluesKaj> well open FF and look at the extensions installed , and try eliminating them one by one til, it works
[22:39] <johnrw> Dr_Willis: I was thinking the same thing...
[22:39]  * johnrw firing up the vm and checking
[22:39] <Dr_Willis> there are those extensions one can install system wide.. but i never use those in the package manager
[22:40] <CoJaBo> When installed via the package manager, it installed the extension along with FF. Disabling the Ubuntu extension fixed it, just was wondering what it was supposed to do?
[22:40] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu extension - adds a entry or 2 to the help menu i recall
[22:41] <BluesKaj> only one i have is called Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
[22:41] <CoJaBo> That sounds like it.
[22:41] <Dr_Willis> yep  - thats the only one i got - i looked itup  once. it just tweaks the menus I think
[22:41] <BluesKaj> anyway BBL ...dinnertime
[22:43] <EagleScreen> Firefox extension is in ubufox package, install Firefox without ubufox package and ready
[22:45] <johnrw> it seems to have about five extensions in a default install... one to hijaack the $Homepage
[22:45] <johnrw> oh christ... those are recommended addons...
[22:46] <astrobear> "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" how can i prevent this message from appearing?
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> i dont see 5 extensions added here... there are some in the repos you can install.
[22:46] <astrobear> it's the neon nightly builds
[22:47] <Dr_Willis> install the gpg key i think astrobear  for that repo
[22:47] <johnrw> Dr_Willis: what I thought were already installed, turned out to be recommended addons...
[22:47] <astrobear> how? :)
[22:47] <Dr_Willis> astrobear,  check the repo homepage/docs i guess..  they may tell ya where they are at
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> or the apt-get guides
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> !apt
[22:48] <astrobear> thank you
[22:48] <Dr_Willis> reccommended is not required. :) the pakcage  manager may be set to install reccomended as well.
[22:49] <johnrw> nah... it was because I have never seen the "recommended addons" UI before... and thought to myself..... what is all this crap???
[22:51] <johnrw> now i know about the new "recommended addons" "feature"
[22:54] <johnrw> ok... anyone using the project-neon nightly builds?
[22:54] <CoJaBo> lol
[23:03] <shawn_> Hi anyone able to get Amarok 2 working with an ipod in intrepid?
[23:06] <knusperfrosch> how do i restore my home dir to the default home dir you get on a fresh installation?
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> rm /home/whoever
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> cp /etc/skel /home/whoever   (i think)
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> thenchown it all to be owned by the user
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> and tehrs not a lot in /etc/skel :)
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> so in short.. delete evverything. copy files from /etc/skel
[23:08] <hix> hehe
[23:08] <knusperfrosch> so who created the default folders? kde?
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> yes
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> if you just want to reset the kde stuff.. thees the .kde* dirs you can delete
[23:25] <arrrghhh> well using nm-applet works.  just seems silly.
[23:32] <arrrghhh> anyone know how to refresh gtk styles?  i'm trying to get firefox to not look like crap in kde4.
[23:32] <arrrghhh> i keep closing and reopening firefox, but the style doesn't change.
[23:35] <arrrghhh> uhm
[23:35] <arrrghhh> anybody alive?
[23:36] <pelle_k> yep
[23:36] <arrrghhh> lol ok
[23:36] <arrrghhh> good to know
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[23:39] <hix> seems this is loaded at kde start, try restart kde
[23:40] <arrrghhh> ah
[23:40] <arrrghhh> yea i was worried i'd have to restart kde
[23:40] <arrrghhh> bummer
[23:41] <arrrghhh> thanks, i'll try that.  i wanted to play around with themes, this will make it difficult...
[23:56] <antonio_> hello, someone speak french
[23:57] <arrrghhh> !fr | antonio_
[23:57] <goofey> arrrghhh: beat me to it!  :)
[23:57] <arrrghhh> hehe
[23:57] <ads> How can i configure "konsole" to always start with the same height/width? Rignt now it's starting with the last used resolution. Also changing the "advanced" option for this program does not help.
[23:58] <arrrghhh> ads, well i don't know if you can set it in konsole, but in kde you can set how you want any window to open - you can set it on a per-window basis.