[12:00] <sensebend> that's a very different "freedom" than the GPL
[12:00] <ZzeCoOl> zAo^: ?
[12:00] <zAo^> yes xav_  are you experienced?
[12:00] <xav_> I did with debian
[12:00] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl, I installed cedega .deb file :0
[12:00] <trey3> sensebend: Microsoft uses much of FreeBSD's TCP stack for instance...
[12:00] <xav_> I run sid on one box
[12:00] <ZzeCoOl> when i start an appl my monitor turns blanc
[12:00] <zAo^> xav_, modify you source list
[12:00] <trey3> sensebend: the BSD license is there... but you can't see any sourcecode  :/
[12:00] <zAo^> what do you start ZzeCoOl  ?
[12:00] <ogra> xav_: hoary is not comparable to sid
[12:01] <ZzeCoOl> getright
[12:01] <ogra> xav_: it has way more bugs
[12:01] <xav_> ogra, its comparable to gentoo ~x86 ? :)
[12:01] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl,  why should you ?? Doesnt Linux have a lot of FTP progs?
[12:01] <xav_> I agree, sid is very stable for me
[12:01] <trey3> ogra: for most things it is... just not for instance xorg or gnome  :)
[12:01] <xav_> I havent had any troubles for month
[12:01] <ogra> xav_: dunno, didnt try gentoo ;)
[12:01] <ZzeCoOl> that support multi-source downloading
[12:01] <ZzeCoOl> ?
[12:02] <sensebend> I'm not patient enough for gentoo. Unless I had about 10 PCs to run discc
[12:02] <zAo^> ZzeCoOl, gftp does on FTP's, yes
[12:02] <sensebend> distcc
[12:02] <xav_> but with gentoo unstable, I had troubles, but they were oft easy to fix
[12:02] <ogra> xav_: its based on sid ... but a real lot of modifications are going in....
[12:02] <xav_> sensebend, yep, it needs too much time
[12:02] <zAo^> can I repeat my question? :)
[12:02] <zAo^> my box fiels 'laggy', though I have direct rendering; will a costum kernel solve my problem (XP 2100, 1GB, Radeon 9600 Pro) ?
[12:03] <xav_> I'll stay with warty for the moment then
[12:03] <ogra> zAo^: what kernel do you currently run ?
[12:03] <zAo^> i686 one
[12:03] <ogra> zAo^: on an athlon ?
[12:03] <trey3> zAo^: try -k7
[12:04] <zAo^> trey3, is there a huge prefomance difference ?
[12:04] <ogra> zAo^: it is optimized for athon....
[12:04] <trey3> zAo^: umm... other than it being for AMD chips rather than intel you mean?
[12:04] <ogra> zAo^: -k7 that is
[12:05] <ZzeCoOl> hey ogra i finally made it with Ati drivers :P
[12:05] <ogra> yay
[12:06] <ZzeCoOl> yeah
[12:06] <dud> this dvd burning stuff is killing me
[12:06] <dud> here i go out buying a top of the line dvd burner 16x, and its burning at like 0.9x
[12:06] <dud> bloody wonderful heh
[12:07] <xav_> siretart, thanks for this howto. it works now
[12:07] <zAo^> ogra, otimized; 1% max preformance win?
[12:07] <ogra> zAo^: nope, it uses all the amd magic, while -i686 can only use the intel commands ;)
[12:08] <siretart> xav_: you're welcome
[12:08] <jclochesy> I'm am having DNS problems, does anyone have some steps I can take?  It's not the IPv6 issue, as all Internet aps are slow at name resolution
[12:08] <sensebend> ok for subtitle display can I use any true type font on mplayer?
[12:09] <ZzeCoOl> ogra:  you may have an answer to this one : In my network there are 2 pc's (it is a wireless network) a linux and a windows when i copy paste to linux file from windows (using samba mounted partitions) i only get 900 kb/sec bu when i set up an ftp server at the windows machine and download file to the linux one then i get 1.9 mb/sec.... Strange
[12:09] <zAo^> ogra, rebooting for new kernel :)
[12:10] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: there are many options you can set in samba, so many that people have written books about it ;)
[12:10] <ZzeCoOl> ihhh
[12:11] <jclochesy> I'm am having DNS problems, does anyone have some steps I can take?  It's not the IPv6 issue, as all Internet aps are slow at name resolution
[12:11] <dud> i dont suppose anyone else has experienced slow dvd burning on ubuntu?
[12:11] <dud> in k3d preferrably
[12:11] <IBOIC> man yahoo chat is lame
[12:11] <IBOIC> :P
[12:11] <Quest-Master> We won so many awards for the year at ArsTechnica.. Best Distro, Best Community, Best Newcomer! :D
[12:12] <IBOIC> quest yep i noticed
[12:12] <IBOIC> :)
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Yeah, really nice
[12:12] <IBOIC> quest:  i like bsd tho
[12:12] <Quest-Master> We deserve it though
[12:12] <IBOIC> heh
[12:12] <Quest-Master> ;D
[12:12] <Quest-Master> lol
[12:12] <IBOIC> i wish ubuntu did dev on bsd
[12:12] <sensebend> we're just getting started
[12:12] <IBOIC> it would be awesome :P
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Linux is good enough :)
[12:12] <Quest-Master> sensebend: Yeah. :)
[12:13] <IBOIC> quest-master:  its the way the model works....
[12:13] <IBOIC> but
[12:13] <IBOIC> i mean linux is still slow
[12:13] <IBOIC> and clunky
[12:13] <ogra> ZzeCoOl: look for good samba doc on the net, ther is something like the TCP_NODELAY and several more stuff you can play with
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> Quest-Master: are u an ubuntu developer or something?
[12:13] <trey3> IBOIC: are you a developer? if not, why do you care about the "model"?
[12:13] <sensebend> umm I find Linux to be fast
[12:13] <ZzeCoOl> ogra thanx
[12:14] <trey3> IBOIC: no offense... but you don't seem to be a developer... so I'm confused...
[12:14] <sensebend> much faster than one other system who's name not be meantioned
[12:14] <ZzeCoOl> trey3: he like BSD the way you like linux instead of windows that all
[12:14] <sensebend> it starts with a W :)
[12:14] <Quest-Master> IBOIC: Linux? Slow? Clunky? Hello Windows.
[12:15] <Quest-Master> ZzeCoOl: I'm not a developer.. yet. I'm interested in doing some dev. work for Ubuntu though, particularly in Python.
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> Quest-Master: nice
[12:15] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[12:16] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: I don't like Linux... I like debconf, apt, and gnome...
[12:16] <ZzeCoOl> ahhahaha
[12:16] <trey3> ZzeCoOl: the less I have to play with Linux the better
[12:16] <seth_> question
[12:16] <trey3> nuopus: wb  :)
[12:16] <Se7h> i have pyimlib2 here
[12:16] <Se7h> in what dir i do the "make" thing ?
[12:16] <nuopus> trey3: Do you know the names of who is in charge of the phoenix linux users group
[12:17] <Quest-Master> The directory you unzipped Se7h
[12:17] <trey3> nuopus: no idea... :(
[12:17] <Quest-Master> ./configure;make;make install
[12:17] <Ensiferum> is there really any way to apply a 2.6.9 driver patch on 2.6.8 sources?
[12:17] <Ensiferum> (any chance of getting that to work?)
[12:17] <Se7h> Quest-Master o.0 doesn't metter ?
[12:17] <Se7h> will python import it ?
[12:17] <jeffreyb> Running Warty- when I logout my GDM screen is all screwed up.. resolution is messed up. A simple ctrl-alt-bkspace restarts xserver then it Ok... Any ideas?
[12:18] <Quest-Master> Se7h: As long as you ./configure;make;make install, Python will pick it up
[12:18] <Quest-Master> However
[12:18] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Tell me if there is a setup.py in what you unzipped
[12:18] <Quest-Master> Or untarred, better to say
[12:18] <Se7h> yeah
[12:18] <Se7h> gimme a sec
[12:19] <Se7h> yes there is
[12:19] <Se7h> but in the readme file
[12:19] <Se7h> it tells just to make make install
[12:20] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Just do this then
[12:20] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Go to terminal, and go to the directory where setup.py is
[12:20] <Quest-Master> Se7h: Type in python setup.py --install
[12:21] <Se7h> well that i supposed to do...but since it tells just to "make &make install"
[12:21] <Se7h> i stopped
[12:21] <Se7h> but ok
[12:21] <Se7h> i'll do it then
[12:21] <xav_> it's amazing. 3d works again :)
[12:22] <xav_> I don't know what happened, but it suddenly stopped working on my last distrib
[12:22] <Quest-Master> What distro was the previous one xav_? ;)
[12:23] <xav_> archlinux
[12:23] <xav_> it was fine, but there were some minor things I disliked
[12:23] <xav_> and this 3d thing annoyed me
[12:23] <xav_> I don't know what I messed up
[12:24] <xav_> direct rendering was still activated, glxgears still worked fine, but games didn't run smoothly anymore
[12:24] <xav_> it was really strange
[12:24] <xav_> now I can have fun on tuxracer again :)
[12:24] <zAo^> ogra, compiling new fglrx module :)
[12:25] <ogra> zAo^: huh ? why that ?
[12:25] <zAo^> ogra, I donnot use Ubuntu (anymore)
[12:25] <zAo^> I am on Sarge
[12:26] <ogra> oh....as you like...
[12:26] <zAo^> Ubuntu rocks, but I need the latest of some packages
[12:26] <xav_> do you know  some funny small games available in the ubuntu rep ?
[12:26] <ogra> zAo^: hrm, why ?
[12:27] <zAo^> ogra, for example: I use PAN, the latest version is much better than the one in Ubuntu. I use Gimp with dcraw: on Ubuntu it was terribly slow for some reason
[12:28] <zAo^> I used a mixed Ubuntu, but that went wrong :)
[12:28] <ogra> zAo^: and waiting 6 weeks to the first preview wasnt an option
[12:29] <zAo^> preview of what?
[12:29] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[12:30] <zAo^> what will it bring? xorg ?
[12:30] <ogra> zAo^: i think from array10 it will start to get better all the time, at lest there should be sid like stability then
[12:31] <Se7h> wel Quest-Master
[12:31] <Se7h> it'll ave to be "python setup.py" only
[12:31] <zAo^> Warty was quit stable for me. I only wanted all the sid packages..
[12:31] <zAo^> quite ^^
[12:32] <ogra> zAo^: yep, xorg too but a whole lot of changes in usability, package management, integration of the desktop...and of course the newest gnome ;)
[12:32] <randabis> hmm
[12:32] <zAo^> ogra, w00t :) Looks nice. Well, 6 weeks on sid then? :)
[12:33] <zAo^> Is there a Xorg ATI driver already?
[12:34] <bigbubba> hi i just got my ubuntu cds and i'm wondering what command do i type in the shell to see what version of ubuntu i'm curently running
[12:34] <ogra> zAo^: i dont think there is one from ati yet
[12:34] <Se7h> error: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/Imlib2.py: Permission denied
[12:34] <Se7h> erm
[12:35] <zAo^> ogra, what is the use of Xorg then?
[12:35] <trey3> bigbubba: /etc/issue tells you... although normally it would be /etc/debian-version :/
[12:35] <zAo^> or will it use xorg 6.7.0 ?
[12:35] <bigbubba> ok thanks will try
[12:35] <trey3> (which actually exists... but states 3.1 denoting sarge... which is misleading...  :/ )
[12:35] <smallgeeek> Hello?
[12:36] <trey3> smallgeeek: hey
[12:36] <bigbubba> so is it wise to upgrade a working copy or not if its outdated?
[12:36] <trey3> smallgeeek: what can we do you for?  :P
[12:36] <bigbubba> i have heard sometimes on linux the latest isn't the greatest
[12:36] <ogra> zAo^: newer codebase.... an totally awsome speedup (gdm starts nearly faster then my monitor can switch for example)
[12:36] <ogra> zAo^: 6.8.0
[12:36] <smallgeeek> Hello... is Ubantu ..debian... or other? ..please?
[12:37] <zAo^> ogra, sounds great to me. But I first must get rid of my ATI then..
[12:37] <trey3> smallgeeek: something tells me #ubuntu is Ubuntu... could be wrong though?
[12:37] <zAo^> lol @ trey3
[12:37] <bigbubba> and when i type /etc/issue it wants to be sudo
[12:37] <trey3> bigbubba: bah... cat /etc/issue
[12:37] <karim> hwhere does dpkg stores wich file are on hold ?
[12:37] <trey3> Shouldn't need to be root
[12:37] <bigbubba> oh yeah duh
[12:37] <trey3> I don't need to be?
[12:38] <zAo^> ^^ world-readable
[12:38] <smallgeeek> Mmmmm thinkin' of going for it Ubuntu.... but I need convincing..?
[12:38] <bigbubba> good deal
[12:38] <lavigj> has anyone configured ubuntu to work with a Netgear WG511?
[12:38] <bigbubba> i have the latest 4.10 :) thanks a bunch
[12:39] <trey3> smallgeeek: no one will try to convince you... there is no convincing needed.
[12:39] <trey3> smallgeeek: if you want to try it... try it... if not... well, then don't...
[12:39] <ogra> bigbubba: there only is one stable version yet ;) so you have surely the latest
[12:39] <mxmsmarine> are intel dothan processors any good?
[12:39] <zAo^> smallgeeek, Just try it. Use Google en love it :)
[12:39] <smallgeeek> trey3 ... My My are u ever so convinced in yer distro:->
[12:40] <lavigj> for that matter can anyone point me in the right direction for setting up wireless in ubuntu?
[12:40] <karim> where does dpkg stores wich packages are on hold ?
[12:40] <zAo^> lavigj, what chipset does it use?
[12:40] <smallgeeek> !1 CD distro .. it must be compact!!
[12:40] <lavigj> zAo^: prismGT I believe
[12:40] <neighborlee> smallgeeek, well its installer is easier than current debian and it 'comes out of the box' ready for alot more things than debian does including a nice 6 months  release schedule that plus synaptic is 'included' out of the box making installing new apps a total day at the beach ( for you whom are looking for a easier-than-debian-experience <G>)
[12:40] <zAo^> lavigj, let me see..
[12:40] <trey3> smallgeeek: I like it... I am not delisional enough to think its for everyone though...
[12:41] <xav_> how can I make a search in all rep available ?
[12:41] <trey3> delusional*
[12:41] <lavigj> zAo^: confirmed. prismGT/prism Duette
[12:41] <zAo^> lavigj, http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[12:41] <zAo^> I think it should work without any probs
[12:41] <xav_> because some reps must be filtered with my preferences file
[12:41] <neighborlee> smallgeeek, your mileage may vary but thats at least why I like it...plus being a 'distro' that gives a dam* about 'gnome' doesn't hurt ;-))
[12:41] <lavigj> zAo^: ok, I am just new to ubuntu/debian, I have used linux for a bit. I will check out that link
[12:42] <sensebend> neighborlee, I came from debian for most of the reasons you said
[12:42] <smallgeeek> How about a cheapo Magazine covermount distro?..
[12:42] <zAo^> lavigj, what distros?
[12:42] <neighborlee> sensebend, kewl
[12:42] <sensebend> it ships with most of the applications I use as default
[12:42] <trey3> smallgeeek: huh?
[12:42] <lavigj> zAo^: mostly gentoo. I wanted something non-source based for my laptop, and I have also used mandrake. i really didn't care for rpms.... at all
[12:42] <smallgeeek> Does it do Gnome..KDE .. both installed?
[12:42] <sensebend> smallgeeek, only GNOME
[12:43] <trey3> smallgeeek: no
[12:43] <trey3> smallgeeek: KDE is not supported
[12:43] <trey3> smallgeeek: it is in Universe though
[12:43] <zAo^> lavigj, Ubuntu of sid will be a very good choise
[12:43] <neighborlee> trey3, I hear its in the works though right ?
[12:43] <trey3> neighborlee: not really... it will never be in main...
[12:43] <sensebend> why? isn't having KDE in universe good enough?
[12:43] <mroth> hmm, no restricted-modules for 2.6.10 yet i guess
[12:43] <lavigj> zAo^: I remember seeing sid.... what exactly is that agin?
[12:43] <neighborlee> trey3, ah ok..
[12:43] <trey3> lavigj: Debian's devel branch
[12:43] <zAo^> lavigj, Debian Sarge :)
[12:44] <sensebend> lavigj, sid is always the testing version of debian
[12:44] <lavigj> trey3: mm.... instability :D
[12:44] <lavigj> wow, thanks for the fast reply
[12:44] <smallgeeek> Totll opensource ..eh? .. no trolltek KDE.?...
[12:44] <zAo^> lavigj, lol
[12:44] <BillyAnachronism> is there any documentation for installing ppc ubuntu totally from the net?
[12:44] <sensebend> sid is stable
[12:44] <lavigj> er, mass reply
[12:44] <sensebend> well sorta
[12:44] <sensebend> if you know how to clean up messes
[12:44] <randabis> mroth nope...what modules do you need?
[12:44] <sensebend> kinda like hoary right now
[12:44] <Riddell> smallgeeek: KDE is free software and open source
[12:45] <mroth> randabis: nvidia support is tied (or used to be anyhow) to restricted modules
[12:45] <randabis> I don't like kde hehe
[12:45] <trey3> Riddell: How'd I know you would pop up when KDE was stated?  :P
[12:45] <lavigj> also, I really appreciate not getting flamed. I have read/seen a lot of people get slammed bad just because they use gentoo. I am interested in learning, and it is nice to find some good people who are not so caught up on their distro that if I am not an immediate deb/ubuntu diehard I shouldn't be here
[12:45] <randabis> mroth ah, I just use the nvidia .run script
[12:45] <smallgeeek> Riddell .. with respect.. not according to some...
[12:45] <sensebend> Riddell, calling KDE both free software and open source is kinda redundunt don't you think?
[12:45] <sensebend> why not just call it FOSS or Free software?
[12:45] <Riddell> smallgeeek: anyone who says otherwise is wrong
[12:46] <mroth> yeah, I could do that, but I want to test the "out of box" using packages so I can help get it working that way before release
[12:46] <BillyAnachronism> does anyone have any experience installing ppc ubuntu here? I'm at a loss what to do
[12:46] <randabis> well I like gentoo, except for compile times...I'd still use it if not for that
[12:46] <bigbubba> ok thanks again guys, will be back i'm sure with more questions in the future :)
[12:46] <mchasard> hi whats this new alpha version
[12:46] <zAo^> lavigj, how can I more agree? I use AIX and debian (sid) so? :)
[12:46] <trey3> smallgeeek: its free... has been since 2000 or so... however its owned by the same parent company that owns SCO... so some are "protesting"  :/
[12:46] <trey3> kinda lame really, but ok
[12:46] <randabis> mroth oic
[12:46] <Riddell> sensebend: I prefer Free Software because I am a zelout but smallgeeek was talking about open sauce so I called it that too
[12:46] <randabis> haha
[12:47] <randabis> saucy
[12:47] <xav_> crafty isn't in any repo ?
[12:47] <trey3> Canopy Group = parent company... incase anyone is wondering?  :P
[12:47] <lavigj> zAo^: it's just nice not to have to worry. I actually was a bit at first :)
[12:47] <mchasard> hoary live  ?
[12:47] <jdub> BillyAnachronism: stick in cd, hold down C to boot from cd...
[12:47] <smallgeeek> Nahhhhh .. Guy's .. I'll stick to SuSe/Mandrake/ ...
[12:47] <mchasard> please ...is there some tools to save configuration for a live cd use
[12:47] <neighborlee> the kde/gnome difference is obvious in that kde utilizes qt which isn't entirely free....for cooporate thats a big issue
[12:47] <zAo^> lavigj,  dont :) Welcome I say :)
[12:48] <Riddell> neighborlee: qt is 100% Free Software
[12:48] <BillyAnachronism> jdub, I've done that.. Its just it stops installing
[12:48] <neighborlee> no  it is not
[12:48] <jdub> neighborlee: Qt is Free Software. do *not* make that mistake please.
[12:48] <neighborlee> it is not..at least it did not 'used to be'
[12:48] <trey3> jdub: hey  :)
[12:48] <BillyAnachronism> jdub, I've reburnt, redownloaded about 50 times and the same things happen.. I've also changed the cdrom
[12:48] <Riddell> neighborlee: infact it's under the GPL so unlike Gnome it guarantees your freedom
[12:48] <neighborlee> can you use it for windows and not pay a fee ???
[12:48] <trey3> jdub: shouldn't you be busy or something?  :P
[12:48] <Riddell> s/gnome/gtk/
[12:48] <jdub> neighborlee: the released Qt code is GPL.
[12:48] <jdub> neighborlee: the released code doesn't include windows bits.
[12:49] <jdub> neighborlee: if you want to port it, that's up to you.
[12:49] <neighborlee> faik to code qt for windows requires a 'license' which isn't cheap
[12:49] <trey3> Riddell: lgpl is just as free as gpl... freer in fact...
[12:49] <jdub> Riddell: (erm, that's fallacious too, don't fight fire with fire please)
[12:49] <jdub> neighborlee: unless you port it to windows.
[12:49] <Riddell> trey3: LGPL does not guarantee your freedom, which is why the free software foundation recommends against it
[12:49] <smallgeeek> It was just the "blurb" that caught my attention about Ubuntu.... on the magazines... really... what gives about "Abutu"?
[12:49] <Riddell> jdub: yes, I'll shut up now
[12:50] <sensebend> agreed Riddell
[12:50] <neighborlee> jdub, and gtk requires none of that..hence why gnome is so popular and why I use it specifically
[12:50] <jdub> Riddell: it guarantees the freedom of the GTK+ and GNOME platform library code. this is a very silly point to argue, dude.
[12:50] <Vantage> can you install ubuntu from the warty live cd?  if so, how?
[12:50] <trey3> Riddell: only difference between lgpl and gpl is that lgpl allows people to write applications that use that toolkit, and keep that non-free...
[12:50] <jdub> Vantage: no
[12:50] <sensebend> Vantage, no you cannot
[12:50] <smallgeeek> Appart from not spelling it wright :->
[12:50] <Vantage> thanks
[12:50] <sensebend> trey3, is correct, but how is that more Free?
[12:51] <jdub> guys
[12:51] <trey3> jdub: might be something to think about though... something like knoppix does... just a thought
[12:51] <sensebend> this is offtopic though
[12:51] <jdub> this is not a useful argument for this channel
[12:51] <ogra> absolutely offtopic :)
[12:51] <jdub> and most kde and gnome developers would consider you silly for arguing it
[12:51] <trey3> sensebend: its not... but certainly not more restrictive either... just allows people to choose a license they like and still use the toolkit...
[12:51] <jdub> so please let it go
[12:52] <trey3> sensebend: for people to do the same with Qt, they must obtain a license from Trolltech...
[12:52] <mchasard> anyone could talk about the new alpha ubuntu version ?
[12:52] <jdub> trey3: dude, enough please.
[12:52] <jdub> mchasard: what do you want to know?
[12:52] <smallgeeek> Anybody "dual booting" with another distro .. but arejust to "closeted" to admit it?...?
[12:52] <jdub> smallgeeek: i dual boot one machine with xp for testing.
[12:52] <mchasard> its a live cd  with gnome also ?
[12:53] <sensebend> smallgeeek, nope single boot Ubuntu
[12:53] <lavigj> wb
[12:53] <jdub> mchasard: there is a very early hoary livecd alpha
[12:53] <sensebend> I have no need for anything else
[12:53] <mchasard> is it possible to save configuration on a usb key ?
[12:53] <xav_> everything works fine
[12:53] <karim> I have put linux-image-386 and linux-386 on HOLD, but apt-get dist-upgrade still want to upgrade the kernels
[12:53] <xav_> ubuntu is great :)
[12:53] <jdub> mchasard: it will be, yes (and you can do that on the warty livecd too)
[12:53] <mchasard> yes i'm downloading it ..;at the moment
[12:53] <ogra> mchasard: its _very_ alpha
[12:53] <karim> how to prevent this ?
[12:53] <jdub> karim: put the kernel version package on hold
[12:53] <sensebend> karim, do a dist-upgrade
[12:53] <zAo^> Can I download a hoary iso?
[12:53] <karim> jdub: yes of course it will work
[12:53] <sensebend> err nvm
[12:54] <smallgeeek> jdub.. brilliant!.. but I meant another distro of "Linux" .. keep it in the family.. u know?! :->
[12:54] <karim> jdub: but that's not generic
[12:54] <jdub> zAo^: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <sensebend> listen to jdub
[12:54] <mchasard> yes but with the wathy i had connexion troubles
[12:54] <karim> jdub: no ?
[12:54] <zAo^> thanks jdub
[12:54] <jdub> karim: no, which is why it'll work :-)
[12:54] <smallgeeek> No incest.... :->
[12:54] <ogra> mchasard: it hasnt even a working X
[12:54] <mchasard> i never succeed to connect me  ...
[12:54] <karim> jdub: I mean if I hold this version, and then later upgrade it manually, I will need to hold again the newly installed kernel isn't it ?
[12:54] <zAo^> jdub, which one should I donwload :)
[12:55] <jdub> karim: no
[12:55] <mchasard> i don't know why
[12:55] <karim> jdub: ok
[12:55] <jdub> karim: it depends on what you want to do - what are you trying to achieve?
[12:55] <jdub> zAo^: if you want to try hoary, download the daily (check the report file first)
[12:55] <karim> jdub: I don't want dist-upgrade to update the kernel
[12:55] <karim> jdub: ever
[12:55] <karim> :)
[12:56] <karim> I want to do it manually
[12:56] <karim> always when I need to
[12:56] <mchasard> the best thing will be that i test it before asking you ... !!!
[12:56] <jdub> put all the meta packages on hold
[12:56] <mchasard> ;-)
[12:56] <karim> jdub: that's what I tried
[12:56] <ogra> mchasard: did you read me ?
[12:56] <karim> jdub: I have put linux-386 linux-image-386
[12:56] <smallgeeek> sensebend.. Blesss!!!
[12:56] <karim> jdub: maybe there is other packages
[12:57] <smallgeeek> sensebend a one man "distro" !!
[12:57] <karim> jdub: oh it's proably linux-meta
[12:57] <mchasard> yes don't whorry
[12:57] <Vantage> one more question.  what's the minimum ram requirements for the ubuntu live cd?
[12:57] <mchasard> 256Mo or 128Mo
[12:57] <sensebend> Vantage, 128MB
[12:57] <karim> jdub: herm no it isn't :)
[12:57] <sensebend> and I stress minimum
[12:57] <mchasard> ok thanks and the processor ?
[12:58] <jdub> karim: look at the binary packages provided by linux-meta
[12:58] <mchasard> i have pII 350Mhz
[12:58] <mchasard> only sorry
[12:58] <jdub> mchasard: cpu speed doesn't really matter
[12:58] <jdub> mchasard: i'd recommend 256MB memory or more
[12:58] <randabis> yessir
[12:58] <randabis> 224 does ok too
[12:58] <mchasard> ok ...i have the minimum also 256Mo
[12:59] <smallgeeek> mchasard ...slowwwwwww.. do a console...;-.
[12:59] <sensebend> I have a weird problem with the file manager
[12:59] <Vantage> but it will boot with 128MB (albeit slowly)
[12:59] <sensebend> it randomly opens and closes
[12:59] <Vantage> ?
[12:59] <zAo^> sounds weird ;)
[12:59] <mchasard> i tested mepis , pclinuxos ..and its slow but ok ...for me
[12:59] <karim> jdub: there is no package called linnux-meta
[12:59] <ngh> hi, me again :P can I request some help?
[12:59] <sensebend> and the mounted disks on the desktop don't show up
[01:00] <zAo^> ngh, shoot
[01:00] <trey3> karim: apt-get remove linux-image-386 (will remove linux-386 also)
[01:00] <tidalwav> hi room, I have a question--why hasn't firefox 1.0 been officially added to warty's repositories
[01:00] <ngh> ok
[01:00] <jdub> karim: there is a source package called linux-meta -> apt-cache showsrc linux-meta
[01:00] <ogra> karim: linux-`uname -m`
[01:00] <smallgeeek> mchasard slow .. doesn't mean okay!
[01:00] <jdub> karim: if you *remove* all the meta packages, new kernel versions won't be installed either
[01:00] <sensebend> I'm gonna reinstall natilus
[01:00] <karim> trey3: I don't need that
[01:01] <ngh> I installed ubuntu on my laptop and it refuses to boot into gui, but the live cd runs smooth
[01:01] <jdub> karim: but it's possibly saner to put them on hold
[01:01] <trey3> karim: exactly... but thats why dist-upgrade is upgrading your kernel...
[01:01] <zAo^> tidalwav, because ff1.0 was released after Warty
[01:01] <karim> trey3: ok :)
[01:01] <ngh> so earlier someone told me to do a echo display and I did it but on the live cd, and it returns 0.0
[01:01] <karim> trey3: however that doesn't make sens, because if this package is holded it shouldn't
[01:02] <zAo^> ngh, ok: why?
[01:02] <karim> sin't it ?
[01:02] <mchasard> why the network tools is not working for me ?
[01:02] <tidalwav> zao: but there are other programs that Warty has that were updated after its initial release--why not FF?
[01:02] <trey3> karim: because the package # itself isn't upgraded...
[01:02] <mchasard> with ubuntu or gnoppix  ?
[01:02] <smallgeeek> Anybody sreiously compared MS win2K/xp2k .. with a distro... circa 1999..2000..?
[01:02] <zAo^> tidalwav, I dont know. There is a backport though
[01:02] <tidalwav> zao: meh?
[01:02] <mchasard> no way  to connect on the web
[01:02] <ngh> the error when booting from hard drive is this:
[01:03] <jdub> tidalwav: there are only major bugfix and security updates, not random version updates.
[01:03] <tidalwav> mchasard: what kind of hardware do you have
[01:03] <zAo^> tidalwav, a backport from hoary for warty
[01:03] <tidalwav> for connecting to the net
[01:03] <HauntedUnix> When I try and view smb://workgroup with nautlius, I get this error (if I open nautilus in a term): ** (nautilus:24651): WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 38 (Service not available) in fm_report_error_loading_directo
[01:03] <jdub> tidalwav: if you want to use new versions of the software, help test our development branch.
[01:03] <tidalwav> zao: ahhhhh, I tried that, but it broke my X server somehow
[01:03] <pybe-lappy> mchasard: you might want to be a bit more specific
[01:03] <ngh> ror:temporary failure in name resolution
[01:03] <mchasard> i have a network card ...with a modem plugged iin ethernet ...
[01:04] <trey3> jdub: you'll should break some stuff so I can feel useful  :(  haven't seen any bugs since my last install  :(
[01:04] <tidalwav> mchasard: try running ifconfig eth0
[01:04] <zAo^> tidalwav, what went wrong? any logs?
[01:04] <ngh> when it is loading and then it refuses to go into gui, it says x is not set correctly
[01:04] <pybe-lappy> mchasard: what card? is it picked up? do you have dhcp or manual ip?
[01:04] <trey3> second :(  should be a :)  *nods*
[01:04] <karim> trey3: ok this works, thanks, however I don't understand why now the kernel is not updated
[01:04] <smallgeeek> Thanx for the chat people i'm going beddie byes now!
[01:04] <nuopus> trey3: your STILL here! lol
[01:04] <zAo^> ngh, tried starting gdm as root?
[01:04] <tidalwav> zAo: I don't remember, cuz I reformatted a while ago, but I *do* remember that GDM was having trouble starting....an X would show up on the screen and that was it.
[01:04] <mchasard> ifconfig eth0 ...i have to wtrite it in a xterm windows ?
[01:04] <sensebend> whatever the problem was I solved it
[01:05] <ngh> then it asks to restart gdm when is configures correctly
[01:05] <sensebend> restarted X
[01:05] <trey3> nuopus: hah... left a few times... :)
[01:05] <tidalwav> mchasard: yes.
[01:05] <ngh> yes, it refuses
[01:05] <sensebend> it was annoying
[01:05] <sensebend> random nautilus windows were popping up
[01:05] <karim> trey3: I don't understand how this meta package thing work
[01:05] <mchasard> ok i' ll try
[01:05] <ogra> trey3: the you should try upgrading form warty  ;) its much worse
[01:05] <trey3> nuopus: IRC is always up though... when I can't find anything else to do... I come back  :)
[01:05] <ogra> then
[01:05] <zAo^> tidalwav, I had that too when upgrading to hoary. When I just run 'startx' everything went fine..
[01:05] <trey3> ogra: I did... about 2 days ago...
[01:05] <tidalwav> hmmm...didn't work over here. I tried startx and nothing happened.
[01:05] <trey3> ogra: haven't downloaded any hoary cd's so far...
[01:05] <ogra> trey3: X went smooth ?
[01:06] <trey3> ogra: yup
[01:06] <mchasard> no more 15mn and the download will be finished
[01:06] <mchasard> yeah
[01:06] <zAo^> tidalwav, hmm. So what do you want now?
[01:06] <ogra> trey3: you talked about install
[01:06] <tidalwav> zAo: nothing, I guess. I'm just bored, so I'm chilling, now.
[01:06] <ogra> trey3: lucky you
[01:06] <trey3> ogra: hah... what issues you encounter?
[01:06] <zAo^> tidalwav, welcome :) What distro are you on now?
[01:06] <tidalwav> zao: warty
[01:07] <zAo^> -tidalwav- VERSION mIRC v6.1
[01:07] <tidalwav> I tried hoary but I was having minor soundcard issues
[01:07] <zAo^> :-S
[01:07] <sensebend> you can run mIRC in WINE
[01:07] <tidalwav> Zao: no I'm not on that computer now
[01:07] <tidalwav> I have two compies in my room :p
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: if you like pain
[01:07] <zAo^> tidalwav, nice :)
[01:07] <ogra> trey3: on a imac i have for testing i get a beautiful starting X, even the drums of gdm work fine....but only with a black screen ;)
[01:07] <ngh> what should I do? I type gdm and it says only root can do it
[01:07] <tidalwav> yeah :D
[01:07] <trey3> sensebend: thats just strange... most Windows users I know even prefer XChat over mIRC
[01:07] <pybe-lappy> sensebend: and you would want to because?
[01:08] <ogra> trey3: but daniels is on it ;)
[01:08] <trey3> ogra: haha... thats useful  :P
[01:08] <sensebend> if you've got scripts for mIRC
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: 'scripts'
[01:08] <sensebend> other than that I can't see a practical reason
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> what do they do
[01:08] <randabis> anyone have experience with bootsplash?
[01:08] <tidalwav> zao: the warty box is about four years older than the windows box, but runs twice as fast
[01:08] <lavigj> trey3: I actually ssh into my linux box to use irssi from windows :)
[01:08] <ngh> what is the command for running somethin as root?
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> tell other people your measurements? in colour
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> ngh: sudo
[01:08] <randabis> my shutdown bootsplash works, but not my startup
[01:08] <tidalwav> ngh: sudo :p
[01:08] <ogra> trey3: on one of my laptops the trident card or the display isnt detected at all... i still examine it
[01:08] <ngh> ok, going to try
[01:08] <trey3> lavigj: I haven't used irssi in a while...
[01:08] <sensebend> I don't have mIRC installed, I was just saying it's possible
[01:08] <randabis> anyone?
[01:09] <tidalwav> ranadblis, what do you mean
[01:09] <tidalwav> the loading screen?
[01:09] <mchasard> it seems that hoary has changed the design ...is it near gnoppix ?
[01:09] <trey3> ogra: its not a trident issue... (or more then likely not) ... thats what I use  :)
[01:09] <se5a> hey, I am not getting options when I boot for which os I want to run, I have lilo and grub installed but nether of them are giving me the option to boot ubuntu or windoze, it just boots strait into ubuntu
[01:09] <ngh> err, is asks for password, which is the default? sorry to be so annoying
[01:09] <tidalwav> zAo: I thought of another issue...WTF is this modprobe: fatal: error inserting pciehp
[01:09] <tidalwav> on boot
[01:09] <ogra> trey3: no, i suspect the toshiba display not to offer its values
[01:09] <stvn> ngh: your normal one
[01:09] <jintonic> i got an rpm of an app i wanna install (no deb was available), so i'm supposed to use alien <filename> right? then what do i do to install the deb?
[01:10] <randabis> password is your normal one
[01:10] <tidalwav> ngh: whatever you entered when you installed ubuntu
[01:10] <ngh> oh, ok
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: press escape when it asks in the boot sequence
[01:10] <jdub> tidalwav: a driver that won't load because your hardware doesn't support it - no problem
[01:10] <randabis> unless you set a different root password
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> er se5a
[01:10] <randabis> no with one bootsplash experience?
[01:10] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: black list the modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:10] <sensebend> HrdwrBoB, I'm not asking a question
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: no, sudo is YOUR password, always
[01:10] <ogra> trey3: what kind of trident do you have there ? the lappie has a CyberbladeXP
[01:10] <tidalwav> jdub: I saw on ubuntu forums that it was some kind of kernel-level problem that was meaningless and annoying
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> sensebend: yeah I meant se5a, my mistake
[01:10] <lavigj> I never realized how freakin' sexy pre-compiled binaries are....
[01:10] <ngh> mmhh, it says "gdm already running, aborting"
[01:10] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: its where your cpu has pretended to do something it cant
[01:10] <mchasard> i hope i could have any connexion with the ubuntu hoary
[01:11] <jdub> tidalwav: try loading a driver for a piece of hardware you don't have. it won't load, and it'll provide an error.
[01:11] <trey3> ogra: CyberBlade/Il
[01:11] <tidalwav> yeah.
[01:11] <tidalwav> lemme try the blacklisting dealy
[01:11] <jintonic> eww.. trident
[01:11] <se5a> hrdwrbob: it doesent ask anything, it just boots strait into ubuntu
[01:11] <trey3> According to lspci...
[01:11] <trey3> jintonic: works fine?
[01:11] <jintonic> they make good gum but wtf were they thinking to make video cards?!
[01:11] <jintonic> j/k
[01:11] <jintonic> :)
[01:12] <htaccess> i want to deploy a new server, woody is too damn old but i want real security updates, so i was thinking of using ubuntu which ive only used on the desktop so far, is it possible to install ubuntu headless?
[01:12] <Quest-Master> How can I change the Python symlink in /usr/bin to point to python2.3 instead of 2.4?
[01:12] <gwildor> hello
[01:12] <ngh> startx gives a fatal IO error 104 ... why the live cd runs ok?
[01:12] <randabis> HrdwrBoB ah, didn't know that
[01:12] <trey3> htaccess: yes
[01:12] <gwildor> anyone on hoary missing GAIM in the menu?
[01:12] <randabis> I just assumed it would be the new root password
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> se5a: try pressing escape just after the bios
[01:12] <trey3> gwildor: no
[01:12] <se5a> ok will try
[01:12] <htaccess> trey3: is there an install option to not install x or do i need to remove afterwards?
[01:12] <zAo^> X restart..
[01:12] <jintonic> so... how do i install a deb?
[01:12] <trey3> htaccess: 'expert'
[01:13] <randabis> dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:13] <gwildor> trey3, yesterday when i upgraded gaim was upgraded, also i use fluxbox.....1 of those could be the problem
[01:13] <mchasard> no gaim in hoary ? is it possible ?
[01:13] <trey3> htaccess: although its kinda over the top hard... lets you pic which packages are installed...
[01:13] <gwildor> mchasard, its just not in my fluxbox menu anymore
[01:13] <ogra> htaccess: the "custom" install
[01:13] <trey3> gwildor: you have 'menu' installed?
[01:13] <gwildor> trey3, let me look
[01:13] <trey3> gwildor: should take care of it...
[01:13] <htaccess> and what is the support time for ubuntu ie when will security fixes for warty?
[01:14] <jintonic> gaim in warty is neglecting to add some of my  groups in my buddy list for yahoo
[01:14] <ogra> htaccess: 18 months from the releasedate
[01:14] <gwildor> trey3, ni do have it installed
[01:14] <htaccess> trey3: ogra how do i select the custom/expert install methiod?
[01:14] <tidalwav> k blacklisted the modules, now restarting
[01:14] <ogra> htaccess: type: custom at the bootscreen
[01:14] <mchasard> is there another universal messenger ?
[01:14] <gwildor> trey3, im gonna upgrade again....
[01:14] <trey3> jintonic: you're sure? Buddies > Check "show empty groups" and "show offline buddies"...
[01:15] <htaccess> ogra: thanks
[01:15] <ngh> Im lost... and I dont want to go back to suse :/
[01:15] <trey3> htaccess: at the first screen of the install... type 'expert'
[01:15] <stvn> ngh: what's the problem?
[01:15] <sri|work> become one with suse, you know you want to
[01:15] <lavigj> any good wireless guides for ubuntu/prismGT?
[01:15] <htaccess> what is the differenc between custom and expert?
[01:15] <jintonic> aha! thanks.. though that should've been ovbious :P
[01:15] <ogra> ngh: try: ps ax|grep gdm
[01:15] <ngh> :P
[01:15] <gwildor> stvn, beat me to it
[01:15] <gwildor> :)
[01:15] <tidalwav> stvn: his x is dead
[01:15] <trey3> sri|work: yes we do, thats why we're in #ubuntu... go away troll
[01:15] <sri|work> heh
[01:16] <ngh> ok
[01:16] <sri|work> wow, I think thats the first time I've been called that.
[01:16] <mchasard> ok i have to go i'll be back ...by
[01:16] <gwildor> later
[01:16] <tidalwav> pybe-lappy: I blacklisted the modules, so now it doesn't display any errors on boot after "starting hotplug subsystem" but it still takes 45 seconds to perform that task
[01:16] <pybe-lappy> ngh: was it working or dead from install?
[01:16] <tidalwav> is that normal?
[01:16] <stvn> ngh: tried killall gdm (or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop) before restarting gdm?
[01:16] <trey3> htaccess: hmm... not sure... haven't tried custom...
[01:16] <randabis> hmm so I guess no one here uses a bootsplash then...
[01:16] <ogra> tidalwav: yep
[01:17] <ngh> done
[01:17] <tidalwav> WHY? That is awful
[01:17] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: i had the same problem with 3 modules but no 45second pause
[01:17] <trey3> htaccess: expert even asks you about modules for the installer though... (udebs)
[01:17] <ogra> ngh: did you get an answer ?
[01:17] <tidalwav> pybe: well what three modules caused YOU problems
[01:17] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: the whole thing boots real quick
[01:17] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: hw_random pciehp shpsomthing
[01:17] <htaccess> trey3: i think i will try custom
[01:18] <trey3> htaccess: :)
[01:18] <ogra> tidalwav: do you have many devices in your computer ?
[01:18] <tidalwav> pybe: it just says "starting hotplug" for a while :p
[01:18] <tidalwav> ogra: not really, but I do have a USB soundcard
[01:18] <ngh> it says3444 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/gdm and second line 4033 tty1 s+ 0:00 grep gdm
[01:18] <se5a> HrdwrBoB: esc didnt do anything, I just get lilo (version#) loading linux...
[01:18] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: mine just goes on quite fast
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Anyone? How can I change the Python symlink in /usr/bin to point to python2.3 instead of 2.4?
[01:18] <trey3> ogra: you know... technically a keyboard counts as a device... so thats a realy quite silly question  :P
[01:18] <ogra> tidalwav: that may take some time to probe for....
[01:18] <tidalwav> ogra: I also have a USB hub with one thing plugged into it
[01:18] <sri|work> is hoary switching to 2.6.10?
[01:19] <trey3> sri: eventually I'm sure...
[01:19] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: try booting with them unplugged see if its quicker
[01:19] <ogra> ngh: so now: ps ax|grep X
[01:19] <sri|work> wierd.
[01:19] <ngh> ok
[01:19] <tidalwav> pybe: okay, but then will my soundcard get messed up the next time I restart?
[01:19] <ogra> sri|work: only for hoary
[01:19] <trey3> sri|work: umm... I think that answers your question? although I don't recall and upgrade of kernel?
[01:19] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: dunno never used usb sc
[01:19] <sri|work> trey3, me neither, which is why I was puzzled.
[01:20] <ngh> ogra: same as previous secon line but with X at the end
[01:20] <sri|work> I remember checking yesterday or something and 2.6.10 didn't even have a nonfree module pkg yet.
[01:20] <ngh> ups, and 4037
[01:20] <ogra> ngh:  but nothing else ?
[01:20] <tidalwav> pybe: stupid six year old dell
[01:20] <tidalwav> lol
[01:20] <pybe-lappy> =)
[01:20] <ngh> nope
[01:20] <stvn> ogra: if X crashes, gdm keeps running IIRC
[01:20] <ogra> ngh: ok, first do: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:20] <trey3> sri|work: well... yes, its in... but not default for linux-image-386 yet I guess...
[01:21] <ogra> ngh: then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:21] <ogra> ngh: and answer the questions....
[01:21] <sri|work> too late to check whether I installed it before.
[01:21] <sri|work> I would think I would know if I installed a new kernel :-)
[01:21] <sri|work> bah, mono-assemblies is still broken
[01:22] <ngh> ok, Im into config now
[01:23] <ogra> sri|work: there is no upstream fix yet i heard today :(
[01:24] <sri|work> ogra, yeah, that kinda sucks..I have no way to revert back
[01:24] <se5a> anyone have any ideas about lilo not giving options for which OS to boot at startup?
[01:24] <sri|work> ogra, which is also why I'm not upgrading to hoary at work..I'm using tomboy heavily
[01:24] <ogra> sri|work: so why not use tsengs tomboy on warty ?
[01:25] <tidalwav> pybe: unplugging soundcard didn't do it
[01:25] <sri|work> ogra, oh..thats true, I could just set "warty" instead of "unstable"
[01:25] <tidalwav> btw, for future reference, is there a way to manually rerun the ubuntu installer's automatic X configuration?
[01:25] <pybe-lappy> tidalwav: weird maybe check the forums and google
[01:25] <ogra> sri|work: look at the wiki at the breakmyubuntu site, there is tomboy for warty
[01:25] <ngh> ogra: it asks for my video card bus identifier,what should I do?? ok?
[01:26] <ogra> ngh: you can switch to another console with alt-f2, login there and type lspci .... look for VGA
[01:26] <ogra> ngh: then switch back with alt-f1
[01:27] <ngh> ok
[01:28] <jintonic> how do i edit file associations in gnome?
[01:29] <ngh> and I type all the bunch of numbers before my card description?
[01:29] <ogra> ngh: usuall something like: 01:00:00
[01:30] <ngh> yes, that's it and before those are 0000, I skip those?
[01:30] <ngh> the 4 0's I mean
[01:30] <ogra> ngh: yup
[01:30] <ngh> ok
[01:31] <ogra> ngh: if it is wrong X will complain about it on startup ;)
[01:31] <benjami> hi
[01:31] <se5a> is there a way to get ubuntu to automaticly chech for updates and install them like it did when I installed? (it was not able to connect to the net when I installed)
[01:31] <sri|work> ogra, whats the deb line for htat?
[01:31] <lavigj> is there a quick way to play a wav file in the default install?
[01:32] <ogra> sri|work: its on the site....
[01:32] <sri|work> ogra, for the http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu
[01:32] <benjami> gnome wont start after an apt-get upgrade, is just see the grey screen
[01:32] <ogra> sri|work: no idea, i dont use backports, i find them silly
[01:32] <sri|work> I have:eb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports-staging main universe
[01:32] <pybe-lappy> se5a: get apt-watc
[01:32] <sri|work> but it has a IGN when I do an apt-get update
[01:32] <pybe-lappy> se5a: get apt-watch
[01:33] <benjami> how to configure the default window-manager?
[01:33] <jram> hi. im trying to boot up and its saying /dev/console . Kernel Panic! and just stops
[01:33] <sri|work> ogra, I agree with you.  :) (about it being silly)
[01:33] <ogra> sri|work: ign means no updates there
[01:33] <jram> sorry... Unable to open /dev/console
[01:33] <pybe-lappy> jram: nice
[01:33] <trey3> ogra: if you're not using warty/libc5, I don't really get it either...
[01:33] <jram> what can i do to try and fix this?
[01:33] <trey3> pybe-lappy: ewww @ recommending gtk1.2 apps
[01:34] <benjami> jram you have an initrd image for the kernel?
[01:34] <sri|work> ogra, ah, oaky.
[01:34] <jram> benjami: no just the original cd
[01:34] <sri|work> I think I got it wrong, I think this is hoary backports to warty
[01:34] <benjami> jram you compiled youre own kernel?
[01:34] <jram> no
[01:34] <pybe-lappy> trey3: what do i care it sits in the panel and checks for updates
[01:34] <trey3> pybe-lappy: although thats something I would like to see for Ubuntu in the future  :)
[01:34] <ngh> ogra, before I mess thie up :P where it asks my pCI bus identifier theres already written "PCI:1:0:0" I have to add 01:00.0 ?
[01:35] <ogra> ngh: oh, no
[01:35] <pybe-lappy> trey3: whats bad about it
[01:35] <trey3> pybe-lappy: I just dislike even having those libs installed...
[01:35] <ogra> ngh: just leave it.. it will be the autodetected value
[01:35] <pybe-lappy> trey3: why
[01:35] <ngh> ok
[01:35] <trey3> pybe-lappy: imo worst toolkit on earth behind motif...
[01:35] <jram> is there a repair program on the cd?
[01:36] <NotPovRayMan> I've been playing with the Ubuntu live cd and I've enjoyed it a lot, so now I went and downloaded the Installer cd image and burned it.  A problem I've had with the live cd is that my old motherboard has to have NODMA turned on when booting ubuntu live.  So now when I'm trying to install it with the installer cd, it gets as far as detecting hardware and then just sits at a blue screen with a grey bar on bottom.
[01:36] <pybe-lappy> trey3: so how does it affect me as a user?
[01:36] <randabis> jram not exactly
[01:36] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: woa easy on the esay
[01:36] <ogra> ngh: in principle it is all filled with auto values, just check if they match the reality
[01:36] <NotPovRayMan> Did I type too much? did it get cut off?
[01:36] <jram> can i do a reinstall w/o formatting?
[01:36] <randabis> when it gets to the partition screen you can CTRL ALT F2 and get a root console though
[01:36] <trey3> pybe-lappy: bah... I just commented... sorry
[01:36] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: thats the biggest paragraph i have seen in irc for ages
[01:36] <jram> can i apt-get remove kernel image and reinstall it?
[01:36] <randabis> from there you can chroot, etc
[01:36] <NotPovRayMan> Hehe
[01:37] <randabis> yeah I think so
[01:37] <sri|work> ogra, that worked thanks!
[01:37] <pybe-lappy> trey3: sorry tone doesnt come across well in text, im interested to know
[01:37] <trey3> pybe-lappy: hah... I was gonna say that  :P
[01:37] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: did you boot with nodma for the install?
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i might have
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i'm not sure what the correct line would be
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i tried linux nodma.. linux ide=nodma .. linux dma=off
[01:38] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: there are plenty of help pages if you hit f2 ;)
[01:38] <pybe-lappy> check the f1 etc info, but i expect linux nodma or similar
[01:38] <NotPovRayMan> i went through those and they didn't say exactly
[01:39] <pybe-lappy> NotPovRayMan: might be worth giving ubuntuforums a quick search
[01:40] <NotPovRayMan> well it makes it ways through the hardware detect to 100%
[01:40] <NotPovRayMan> but then it goes to a blank bluescreen with grey bar on bottom
[01:40] <NotPovRayMan> i'm not entirely sure if it ends up being an ide problem
[01:41] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: switch to alt-f4, there is the log
[01:41] <IBOIC> omg
[01:41] <trey3> ogra: that only works if you're already on a terminal  ;P
[01:41] <NotPovRayMan> i'm doing this to a computer next to me
[01:41] <ogra> trey3: installer
[01:41] <NotPovRayMan> ok its at the blue screen and i just alt-f4'ed it
[01:42] <trey3> ohhh... bah
[01:42] <trey3> so wait... what was IBIOC's problem?
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> it's got a lot to text obviously, but what should I mention?
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> Woah it just freaked out and spammed a lot
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> Kernel Panic Fatal Execeptiopn in interrupt
[01:42] <NotPovRayMan> haha
[01:42] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: sounds like acpi :)
[01:43] <NotPovRayMan> That time I tried to run linux pci=noacpi
[01:43] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: nolapic may also be an option to try
[01:43] <NotPovRayMan> nolapic?
[01:43] <ogra> no local apic (apic = interrupt controller)
[01:44] <NotPovRayMan> ok running now
[01:44] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: you can also try combinations ;)
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> hmm so i should have done pci=nolacpi and pci=noacpi
[01:45] <ogra> nope
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> to make this simple, what should be my line
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> oh wait the installer said to do linux acpi=off
[01:45] <NotPovRayMan> i'll try that
[01:45] <ogra> no idea, but a combination or one of: noacpi nolapic pci=noacpi
[01:46] <ogra> yay
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> lets see if it goes now
[01:46] <ogra> same as noacpi
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> nope
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> when i alt-f4 the last line reads
[01:46] <NotPovRayMan> Searching for Ubuntu installation on media...
[01:47] <NotPovRayMan> the cdrom quickly powers down
[01:47] <NotPovRayMan> wait 20-30 secs, kernel panic
[01:47] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: which cd image is this
[01:47] <NotPovRayMan> warty, latest i suppose
[01:48] <NotPovRayMan> i'll try disabling acpi in bios if possible
[01:48] <mindphasr> Can someone tell me why my cursor blinks when in firefox?
[01:48] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: warty-install-i386.iso ?
[01:48] <NotPovRayMan> yes
[01:48] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: at which speed did you burn it ? (shouldnt be faster the 8x)
[01:49] <ogra> then
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> 32x probably
[01:49] <ogra> oh
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> i don't see how/why that would be an issue
[01:49] <jintonic> last night i installed ubuntu, restarted a few times and everything was fine, then setup x and got it working fine, now i just rebooted and the keyboard and mouse are unresponsive even in terminal
[01:49] <ogra>  NotPovRayMan: it is, belive me
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> isn't that burning at a high rate just a techie urban legend
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> like audio eltists who rag on about "burning in" headphones
[01:49] <NotPovRayMan> or cpu's
[01:50] <ogra>  NotPovRayMan: there is a media test option, extra for impatient people that needed to burn faster ;) use it
[01:50] <NotPovRayMan> i ran memtest the other day
[01:50] <lavigj> does "mgmt tx queue is still full" mean anything to anyone?
[01:50] <NotPovRayMan> let it run for like 18 hours
[01:50] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: _media_ test
[01:51] <NotPovRayMan> then i realized when it said test 28 it was looping
[01:51] <NotPovRayMan> i know what you said, ogra, I'm just saying how I ran memtest the other day
[01:51] <jintonic> ubuntu is not accepting keyboard/mouse input even in command line... pressing the num lock button doesn't even do anything
[01:51] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: yep...
[01:51] <randabis> man...I wish I could figure out my my bootsplash isn't working right
[01:52] <jintonic> i'm in the recovery mode kernel, same story
[01:52] <randabis> my shutdown bootsplash works, but my startup bootsplash doesn't
[01:52] <NotPovRayMan> trying to run mediatest under boot doesn't work, so should it be "linux mediatest" ?
[01:53] <ogra> NotPovRayMan: look in the helpfiles, i dont know the exact synatx (i always burn bootables at 4x)
[01:53] <NotPovRayMan> of course I scan through those before asking here ;-)
[01:53] <jintonic> even recovery mode using the original kernel doesn't work :-/
[01:53] <ngh> ogra: ok, I've finished, now I start gdm?
[01:54] <ogra> ngh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:54] <ngh> ok
[01:55] <ngh> same error =/ dont know what is happening, it flashes 3 times then it says x cannot start
[01:56] <ogra> ngh: but it offers you the log....look at the last lines
[01:58] <ngh> let me see
[02:00] <ngh> it says "would you like to view the x server output" that?
[02:00] <ogra> ngh: look at the output
[02:00] <ngh> Im there but only gives nfo about XFree86 the website, version, etc
[02:00] <jintonic> this is weird :-/ i rebooted again... this time pressing num lock over and over and over to try to figure out at what point communication is lost but there's no error this time..... i reboot again and everything is fine........ weird
[02:01] <ogra> ngh: scroll down
[02:03] <ogra> jintonic: smells like buggy hardware
[02:04] <ngh> nope, no scrooll down, IM going to install again and will let you know what happens then
[02:05] <ogra> ngh: i will be in bed then, its 2am here :)
[02:05] <ngh> thank you very much for all your help, you have been very patient =)
[02:05] <ngh> ok, maybe Ill see you tomorrow =)
[02:05] <ogra> ngh: did you already edit the config file by hand ?
[02:05] <ogra> ngh: the reconfigure tool doesnt write to a manually changed file
[02:05] <ngh> the blue screen with the options?
[02:06] <ogra> ngh: thats the tool....i mean did you edit it in an editor ?
[02:06] <ngh> nope
[02:06] <ogra> ngh: then the tool would have been useless
[02:07] <ngh> aahh, and I almost trow my lap to trash :P but dont know how to, with edit?
[02:07] <ogra> ngh: ok...
[02:07] <jintonic> buggy hardware or buggy hardware abstraction....
[02:07] <setite> help me
[02:07] <setite> im stuck in windows
[02:07] <setite> ubuntu wont boot
[02:08] <setite> anyone want to help
[02:08] <setite> i hate windows... this is not right
[02:08] <ngh> sorry, but Im used to automated OS and Im sick of those so I want to learn :P
[02:08] <setite> ogra
[02:08] <setite> someone
[02:08] <setite> i had a power outage while i was asleep i think... and now ubuntu wont boot
[02:08] <ogra> ngh: no, its just the right approach to go with ubuntu then....
[02:08] <ngh> where is the config file wich I have to replace/edit?
[02:09] <ogra> ngh: no, dont edit it...
[02:09] <setite> when the login should show up the screen looks sorta like those ugly public broadcast screens
[02:09] <setite> a bunch of lines in fruity colors
[02:09] <setite> whats up withthat
[02:09] <randabis> hah
[02:09] <ogra> ngh: rather try: sudo xf86cfg
[02:09] <randabis> sorry, that's just funny
[02:09] <setite> and safemode is not like the windows safemode so i dont know how to fix it
[02:09] <ngh> ok
[02:09] <setite> its not funny... windows sucks!
[02:10] <ogra> ngh: just run it, go with the pad keys to the quit button and save the setting
[02:11] <setite> ok ogra... do you have any idea whats wrong with my ubuntu
[02:11] <ogra> ngh: you shouldnt need to change anything...
[02:11] <ogra> setite: i would ave said anything if i had an idea
[02:11] <setite> damnit
[02:11] <ngh> ok, then I assume that running this app loads what I did previously by default?
[02:12] <setite> everyone wake up... this must have happened to one of you before
[02:12] <ogra> ngh: it runs a detection and starts an X server with the detected settings
[02:12] <ogra> ngh: in this just click quit and say yes to the "save file" dialog
[02:12] <ngh> ok, I quit then right?
[02:13] <ogra> ngh: if this still doesnt work, run it again and save the file in your home dir or to /tmp and copy it over to the right place later
[02:13] <ngh> ok, done
[02:14] <ogra> ngh: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:14] <lavigj> clear
[02:14] <ngh> ok
[02:14] <lavigj> sorry
[02:14] <nwp_> setite: could be that your X config is screwed, or your video card is partially fried, or your X is corrupted on disk, or...
[02:14] <lavigj> IT'
[02:16] <luc1f3r> What is the command to copy the contents of a folder to a location?
[02:17] <luc1f3r> it's a simple question, but i can't remember
[02:17] <setite> nwp.. but i got into windows fine
[02:17] <setite> so i dont imagine its the card
[02:17] <setite> i figure something is corrupted
[02:17] <setite> but how do i fix it
[02:17] <setite> is there a rescue feature on the install cd?
[02:18] <setite> or is there something i could do from safemode
[02:19] <randabis> luc1f3r
[02:19] <randabis> cp /foo /foo
[02:19] <nomade> salut  tous, je suis nouvel utilisateur de ubuntu :)
[02:20] <Wulf_> hi
[02:20] <magnon> nomade: congratulations on your selection and hi to you too, but I think this is mainly an english speaking channel
[02:21] <setite> use altavista.com's babelfish to translate roughly
[02:21] <randabis> haha
[02:21] <ogra> setite: if you didnt edit your X config manually you could try to reconfigure your X server (make a copy of the file before)
[02:21] <Wulf_> where can I do network settings in ubuntu like /etc/network/interfaces in debian?
[02:21] <setite> while i try and find the ubuntu install to save my ubuntu
[02:21] <randabis> setite, there's probably something you can do, but I'm not sure
[02:21] <nwp_> setite: you could just try forcing a reinstall of the X server stuff
[02:21] <setite> ogra... what do you mean if i didnt edit manually
[02:22] <randabis> Wulf_ Computer --> System Configuration --> Network
[02:22] <setite> you mean if this si not my fault right... due to me being stupid again
[02:22] <setite> nah i learned me lesson last time
[02:22] <randabis> unless you want a text mode command
[02:22] <setite> i havent touched it
[02:22] <nwp_> apt-get reinstall --install xserver-xfree86  might be worth a try. assuming it's the same package as on debian
[02:22] <ngh> ogra: is there a way of editing the resolutions? the native for my lap is 1280 * 800 but when choosing it doesnt exist
[02:22] <ogra> setite: there is a checksum mechanism that prevents every tool from changing the config if you editet it
[02:22] <setite> it was running fine... when i wake up... its not running anymore because of the power outage and now it cant boot
[02:22] <setite> 1280x800!
[02:22] <setite> wtf
[02:22] <Wulf_> randabis: someone wants to run a command each time a network interface is to become running
[02:23] <nwp_> setite: how far does it get?
[02:23] <ogra> ngh: ahh, that may be the detection problem.....
[02:23] <ngh> im on a lap 15.5"
[02:23] <setite> ive never seen a resolution like that
[02:23] <nwp_> i.e. what happens in the boot process before it dies?
[02:23] <ngh> 15.4
[02:23] <Wulf_> pre-up in debian's config file
[02:23] <randabis> Wulf_ ah, well, I'm not sure
[02:23] <randabis> sorry
[02:23] <setite> nwp_ it loads everything but screws up when the ubuntu login should show up
[02:23] <randabis> I'm still pretty new to ubuntu/debian
[02:23] <nwp_> setite: so it has booted, but X is not working, right?
[02:23] <setite> it shows a bunch of distorted colums of varying colors
[02:23] <setite> appears so
[02:24] <luc1f3r> randabis: that didn't quite work
[02:24] <randabis> sounds bad
[02:24] <nwp_> setite: what happens if you press ctrl-alt-f1?
[02:24] <Wulf_> randabis: I don't use ubuntu at all :)
[02:24] <setite> something must have got messed up when the power went out
[02:24] <setite> i dunno want me to try
[02:24] <randabis> luc1f3r well, what didn't it do?
[02:24] <luc1f3r> randabis: I have a folder w/ files in it, and it's in the folder to which I want my files coppied
[02:24] <nwp_> yup. should get text console (again, assuming things are set up in the usual way)
[02:24] <setite> and what do i do from ther
[02:25] <setite> does the installer have a rescue/repair feature
[02:25] <ogra> ngh: look there for specific help...probably something for you is in it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[02:25] <nwp_> well, it'll give us a little more information
[02:25] <setite> i fear anything else may be beyond me
[02:25] <luc1f3r> randabis: root@slack2005:/storage/music # cp /storage/music/cdrom0 /storage/music
[02:25] <luc1f3r> cp: omitting directory `/storage/music/cdrom0'
[02:25] <ngh> well, thank you for all your help ogra, has been a pleasure, im tired, see you tomorrow ppl
[02:25] <setite> ok then ill try that and come back
[02:25] <ogra> ciao
[02:25] <ZzeCoOl> cp -R
[02:25] <ZzeCoOl> will do the job
[02:25] <randabis> oh
[02:25] <luc1f3r> ZzeCoOl: it doesn't work
[02:25] <randabis> add -r -d
[02:25] <luc1f3r> okay, i'll try that
[02:26] <ogra> luc1f3r: cp -a
[02:26] <nwp_> setite: then log in at the text console and try "apt-get reinstall --install xserver-xfree86" (as root)
[02:26] <randabis> so cp -r -d /foo /newfoo
[02:26] <randabis> or -a
[02:26] <randabis> whichever
[02:26] <binReapr> later
[02:26] <setite> so can i do that from safemode?
[02:26] <ZzeCoOl> -R works for me fine :)
[02:26] <luc1f3r> randabis: the problem is that the folder is already in the target directory
[02:26] <randabis> yes you can
[02:26] <luc1f3r> I don't want to copy the folder, i just want to copy the contents
[02:26] <binReapr> before I go, when is the nex ubuntu release?
[02:27] <setite> in 2006
[02:27] <setite> they want to get all the bugs out
[02:27] <randabis> -a does all contents of the folder right?
[02:27] <ZzeCoOl> luc1f3r: use cp with *
[02:27] <setite> haha jp
[02:27] <randabis> 06? I thought april/may this year?
[02:27] <ogra> luc1f3r: cp -a /foo/folder/* /bar/target/
[02:27] <setite> i know it wasnt funny but i had too
[02:27] <luc1f3r> ah
[02:27] <randabis> wb bretzel
[02:27] <luc1f3r> gotcha
[02:27] <setite> to*
[02:27] <randabis> I got bootsplash working
[02:27] <binReapr> later
[02:27] <randabis> but I have a weird problem
[02:27] <ogra> bah bootsplash
[02:28] <luc1f3r> yeah, that's working
[02:28] <randabis> the shutdown bootsplash works, but not the startup
[02:28] <bretzel> hi randabis
[02:28] <ZzeCoOl> bootsplash :>
[02:28] <ZzeCoOl> they have this default in SuSE
[02:28] <ZzeCoOl> :>
[02:28] <randabis> yeah I'd like usplash too, but gotta make due
[02:28] <luc1f3r> thanks guys
[02:28] <randabis> I wish I could just figure out why my startup bootsplash isn't working
[02:28] <ogra> randabis: what for ? do you have any deadline ?
[02:29] <bretzel> Anyone knows howto make vfat partitions writeable by users ?
[02:29] <setite> nwp - so i should do that from the text thing... but can i do it from the safemode line
[02:29] <randabis> no, I just want my bootsplash NOW... :p
[02:29] <Qerub> What happens in Ubuntu (Warty and Hoary) when the user double-clicks a .deb in Nautilus?
[02:29] <ogra> randabis: bah
[02:29] <randabis> it gives you an error
[02:29] <nomasteryoda> setite, yes
[02:29] <Qerub> bretzel: use dmask and fmask
[02:29] <nomasteryoda> setite, unlike winders, you have a full console
[02:29] <bretzel> ok looking at it
[02:29] <bretzel> thanks Qerub
[02:30] <nwp_> setite: anywhere you can get a prompt will do
[02:30] <setite> ok thanks... will do
[02:30] <bretzel> fmask ? what is that ( dmask is directory ? )
[02:30] <camh> anyone got hotplug firmware loading with the warty live CD?
[02:30] <Qerub> bretzel: iirc, dmask=000, fmask=111
[02:31] <bretzel> ha didn't know that ( :-)
[02:31] <ogra> bretzel: file
[02:31] <Qerub> bretzel: man mount has all the info you need
[02:31] <se5a> now I have apt-watch, how do I use it?
[02:31] <Qerub> bretzel: file mask
[02:31] <bretzel> editing fstab
[02:31] <Qerub> bretzel: you don't want all your files to be +x
[02:32] <bretzel> Qerub: isn't by default +x ?
[02:32] <broodster> what's the best irc client for ubuntu???
[02:32] <randabis> I like xchat
[02:32] <tolstoy_> When I use a vnc viewer from windows to ubuntu, how can I get "gnome" to come up if I go to the :1 version?
[02:32] <randabis> some like bitchx
[02:32] <ogra> broodster: the one thats installed
[02:32] <randabis> there really is no "best"
[02:32] <tolstoy_> If I enter gnome-session, I get "already running gnome session".  (Which I am on the console.)
[02:33] <mxpxpod> is there a reason after using a certain theme for a long time and trying to switch it, gnome-settings-daemon needs to be restarted to switch?
[02:33] <ogra> tolstoy_: did you start vino (the vnc server included in gnome) ?
[02:34] <randabis> well, I'll brb
[02:34] <tolstoy_> yeah.  Hm.  I was trying to connect to :1 rather than "control" :0.
[02:34] <ogra> randabis: in the desktop preferences
[02:34] <ogra> randabis: oops sorry
[02:35] <randabis> eh?
[02:35] <randabis> hehe
[02:36] <tolstoy_> I'd love to have something like "terminal services" but from windows to linux.
[02:36] <ogra> night all it think its time for bed (muddling the nicks is a bad sign)
[02:37] <tolstoy_> works like a charm in fedora, for some reason.
[02:37] <bretzel> Qerub: Thank you very much :-) it work as you told
[02:38] <tolstoy_> apt-get vncserver and it seems a lot faster, too.  plus I can tell it what resolution to use.
[02:40] <luc1f3r> ZzeCoOl: how do i remove a directory when it gives me an error that the dir isn't empty?
[02:41] <ZzeCoOl> rm -R
[02:42] <luc1f3r> ZzeCoOl: thanks
[02:42] <ZzeCoOl> np
[02:45] <tolstoy_> and no man page for vino-server
[02:48] <tolstoy_> okay. so what I want is to use vnc to give me another running session rather than sharing the existing desktop.  hm.  I think vino is only for that one purpose.
[02:49] <bretzel> Have to leave this computer for my wife -- g'night all :-(
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html (tsunami photos)
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/9.html (tsunami photos)
[02:50] <aToaster> can anyone recommend me a good GUI ftp client?
[02:50] <ZzeCoOl> gftp
[02:50] <jdub> tolstoy_: use vncserver
[02:51] <aToaster> ZzeCoOl, thanks
[02:51] <ZzeCoOl> np
[02:51] <tolstoy_> jdub, i've got that installed. When I start it up, it goes to :1.  When I connect to that, I get an X root window and  a gnome-terminal.  No gnome-session.  Must I log in as a different user?
[02:52] <jdub> tolstoy_: search google for "vnc gdm slug jdub"
[02:52] <jdub> tolstoy_: that should give you a nice recipe for doing this very sexily
[02:52] <jdub> tolstoy_: with gdm
[02:52] <tolstoy_> gnome-session & -> you're already running a session manager. ;)
[02:52] <tolstoy_> okay, will do.
[02:53] <tolstoy_> sounds good.  I was just looking at the inetd stuff.  I wonder if fedora does that by default.  Don't have a running instance to check.
[02:54] <aToaster> can I run cedega well off the vesa drivers?
[02:54] <Wulf_> aToaster: vesa drivers aren't 3d accelerated
[02:54] <Wulf_> should work.. but slow... ;-)
[02:55] <aToaster> I've been having a hard time trying to get the ATI drivers to work, I just get a blank screen when it opens gnome, and I usually end up reinstalling ubuntu
[02:55] <Wulf_> aToaster: I'm still waiting for new ati drivers which will be compatible to linux-2.6.10
[02:56] <aToaster> having an ATI seems to be a curse =/ spent too much money on this card not to use it
[02:57] <aToaster> guess I'll just have to go to windows for my fix of WoW then... =/
[02:57] <jintonic> my ati radeon 9200 was ok to install, not autodetected by ubuntu tho
[02:57] <Wulf_> for WoW you won't need cedega imvho as WoW supports opengl
[02:57] <mxpxpod> does scrolling horizontally work in X?
[02:57] <ZzeCoOl> Wulf_: 3.14.6 must work with 2.6.10
[02:57] <Wulf_> ZzeCoOl: it does not
[02:58] <Randabis> ati just needs to write better linux drivers period
[02:58] <aToaster> so. can you just pop the cd in and install it on linux? don't really know how that works
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> when you type fglrxinfo what u get?
[02:58] <Wulf_> *** Warning: "pci_find_class" [/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/fglrx.ko]  undefined!
[02:58] <ZzeCoOl> axmm
[02:59] <Wulf_> aToaster: wine
[02:59] <Wulf_> aToaster: cedega is wine + directx emulation
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[03:00] <aToaster> ic
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> not quite that simple
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> wine is used to run windows programs
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> it runs some games
[03:00] <ZzeCoOl> Wulf_: do u use cedega?
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> cedega is a commercial program
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> built to run games
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> based on wine
[03:01] <Wulf_> HrdwrBoB: I played starcraft several years ago with wine
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> I play WoW currently with cedega
[03:01] <jintonic> hrm... when i do fglrxinfo it says Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:01] <aToaster> so cedega would emulate more efficiently than wine?
[03:01] <broodster> does divx support ubuntu?
[03:01] <lavigj> has anyone had a problem with wifi along the lines of "mgmt tx queue is stil full"?
[03:01] <aToaster> what video card do you have HrdwrBoB?
[03:01] <Wulf_> HrdwrBoB: I live in europe, still waiting for `final beta'
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> Nvidia FX5700
[03:01] <ZzeCoOl> guys do you have cedega with default configuration?
[03:02] <lavigj> anyone? please?
[03:02] <Wulf_> ZzeCoOl: used it to play diablo 2
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> no cedega is a commercial product
[03:02] <broodster> cedega doesnt support amd 64 =[
[03:02] <Wulf_> but did not try `wine diablo2.exe -opengl'
[03:02] <aToaster> do you use cosmos ui HrdwrBoB?
[03:02] <broodster> and amd 64 and ati radeon and ubuntu dont mix o_O
[03:02] <aToaster> or can you use cosmos is the question
[03:02] <Wulf_> cosmos ui should be forbidden, because of this thottbot issue
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: no, I tried to access their website the other day and it was down
[03:03] <aToaster> what thottbot issue?
[03:03] <Randabis> you can compile cedega from cvs for free
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> HrdwrBoB: do you use the default cedega configuration.....ordid you edit something?
[03:03] <Wulf_> they publish character details on their internet page
[03:03] <Wulf_> without the consent of the players
[03:03] <Randabis> and if you need something like point2play, there's an alternative
[03:03] <Randabis> called grapevine
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> ZzeCoOl: default I think, I haven't changed it for ages
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> what exactly IS cosmosui
[03:03] <ZzeCoOl> what is the diff between cedega and point2play?
[03:04] <aToaster> Wulf_, ah right, but I find that it's become really helpful for me, having the extra menu bar makes things so much easier
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> point2play is a front end for cedega
[03:04] <Randabis> point2play is the program that allows you to easily install games
[03:04] <Randabis> or a frontend
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[03:04] <Randabis> like I said, there's a free alternative to it called grapevine
[03:04] <ZzeCoOl> the only problem with cedega is the stupid fonts that they use
[03:04] <jintonic> hrm, is there any way to get gnome to not do that crap where it opens a new window for every folder?
[03:04] <Wulf_> aToaster: I'm planning to build a UI for my clan when I can play WoW at last
[03:05] <Randabis> yes
[03:05] <IBOIC> key signing party :)
[03:05] <IBOIC> ubuntu uses pgp :)
[03:05] <aToaster> Wulf_, what video card do you have?
[03:05] <Randabis> you edit your file/folder preferences
[03:05] <aToaster> Anyone know if the x800 will work with the current ATI drivers?
[03:05] <Wulf_> aToaster: thinkpad t42p, comes with ati radeon mobility t2, 128 mb graphics ram
[03:05] <Randabis> I think it's Computer --> Desktop Configuration --> File Management
[03:06] <Randabis> yes, the x800 is supported as far as I know
[03:06] <Randabis> it'll run like a FX5200 though lol
[03:06] <Randabis> or x300
[03:06] <jintonic> aha! "always open in browser windows"
[03:06] <Randabis> ati's drivers just suck
[03:06] <aToaster> oh, off topic question, if I want to change my root password its "sudo passwd root" right?  I don't think it should be the same as my regular use passwd,
[03:06] <Randabis> yess
[03:07] <Wulf_> I don't think any ati card will work with current linux kernel
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: it is not the same
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: it is currently *disabled*
[03:07] <gwildor> hello?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> sudo password is YOUR password
[03:07] <Wulf_> hi gwildor ;-)
[03:07] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB, ah... isn't that a risk though?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> who knows your passworD?
[03:07] <gwildor> hi wulf_, i was really just testing....thnx :)
[03:07] <broodster> does anyone know if there's ati drivers for amd 64 yet? with ubuntu that is
[03:07] <Randabis> Wulf_ maybe not, NVIDIA's had troubles too, but someone kindly provided a script that fixes the problem
[03:08] <Randabis> same with their nforce drivers
[03:08] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB, hrmm I guess, I though regular users should be seperated from the root
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: they are
[03:08] <Wulf_> gwildor: test succeeded. you made to go online with your machine, connect to irc and write some useless messages :-)
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: if you create another user it won't be able to be root
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: and only you know your password
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> so it's no less secure than if only you knew your root password
[03:09] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB, ah hrmm, alright, guess I'm just too used to having two seperate pass's
[03:09] <Wulf_> aToaster: new ati drivers are announced for mid januar, hope it will come quick :)
[03:09] <broodster> will divx work ona amd 64?
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: yes :)
[03:10] <aToaster> Wulf_, yea, man I want to ditch Windows so badly
[03:10] <Randabis> I would if not for some games
[03:11] <Randabis> the laptop only runs ubuntu though
[03:11] <broodster> will divx work ona amd 64????
[03:11] <Wulf_> most games work with wine / cedega
[03:11] <aToaster> Know if Macromedia Flash is on linux?
[03:12] <Wulf_> my notebook does run debian/sid exclusive, I currently don't have any other machines. haven't used windows for about 4 years at all
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> aToaster: yes it is
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:12] <Wulf_> aToaster: there are at least two flash players, one from macromedia, works almost fine and some OSS player, didn't work for me at all
[03:13] <randabis> or you can download the linux flash player from macromedia
[03:13] <randabis> the install isn't too bad
[03:13] <tolstoy> jdub, no password for VNC_auth
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: or you can get the package, which is the same thing
[03:14] <randabis> is it 7.0?
[03:14] <randabis> probably, just curious
[03:14] <setite> nope
[03:14] <aToaster> Oh, not flash players
[03:14] <setite> that didnt work
[03:14] <setite> kept getting errors... -- not known... reinstall not known etc
[03:14] <aToaster> I do websites part time so I need to make flash ; )
[03:14] <randabis> and flashplayer-mozilla is in multiverse isn't it?
[03:14] <jintonic> how would i tail the mouse's raw input?
[03:15] <randabis> if so then he'll have to add that repository
[03:15] <broodster> will divx work ona amd 64????
[03:15] <lavigj> can anyone help me with wifi?
[03:15] <Wulf_> jintonic: tail -f /dev/input/mice
[03:15] <Wulf_> lavigj: what exactly?
[03:15] <jintonic> thats what i thought but it didnt work
[03:15] <randabis> yeah wifi be broad
[03:16] <lavigj> Wulf_: I am having quite a bit of trouble getting my WG511 working. I keep getting "mgmt tx queue is still full" seemingly no matter what i do
[03:16] <Wulf_> jintonic: what kind of mouse do u use? usb? ps2? serial?
[03:16] <jintonic> i remembered to sudo it but there's still no data going through it
[03:16] <jintonic> usb via ps/2 port
[03:16] <Wulf_> jintonic: why not using without usb->ps2 adapter?
[03:16] <jintonic> in xfonfig i set it up at /dev/input/mice
[03:17] <Wulf_> lavigj: what driver?
[03:17] <jintonic> i am using a usb-> ps/2 adapter
[03:17] <lavigj> at the moment, I was trying the ndiswrapper with the netgear driver
[03:17] <Wulf_> lavigj: for my atheros chipset, linuxant was the only solution *sigh*
[03:17] <setite> nwp_ you there
[03:17] <setite> ogra
[03:17] <randabis> yeah, that sucks
[03:17] <setite> nomasteryoda
[03:17] <lavigj> Wulf_: damn.  I wouldn't call that working :)
[03:20] <randabis> yeah
[03:20] <setite> nano wano
[03:20] <randabis> oh might not be a caps on the x in x11
[03:20] <randabis> I forget
[03:20] <jintonic> wow... did some weird stuff to my x terminal tho
[03:20] <setite> anyone know how to fix the x server from command prompt
[03:20] <setite> if it helps one time i saw the loading cursor for an instant
[03:20] <Wulf_> jintonic: don't expect tail to work, I haven't checked yet but I believe it does fstat() or sth like this
[03:21] <setite> ogra
[03:21] <setite> nomasteryoda
[03:21] <setite> nwp_
[03:22] <jintonic> after doing cat /dev/input/mice in an x terminal the title of the window is set to whatever ascii values the mouse is sending and the user@domain:~ $ becomes the same kinda stuff
[03:22] <kapputu> hey how's everyone doing
[03:22] <kapputu> anyone here I know?
[03:23] <jintonic> opening another terminal everything appears to be fine, but interesting
[03:23] <Wulf_> kapputu: I'm an old friend of yours, do u remember me? ;-)
[03:23] <setite> kapputu you remember that one night right ;)
[03:23] <kapputu> oh yeah Wulf_, you owe me $500 don;t u?
[03:23] <Wulf_> jintonic: btw, what's your problem with the mouse?
[03:24] <jintonic> no problem, just playing with it
[03:24] <kapputu> yeah setite when I beat the crap out of u
[03:24] <Wulf_> kapputu: uhm... seems you're another kapputu and I'm another Wulf
[03:24] <setite> oh no you didnt
[03:24] <kapputu> Wulf_, but it's the same $500
[03:24] <setite> quit lying silly
[03:24] <setite> haha
[03:24] <tolstoy__> jdub, any tips on where I set my session password? do I have to do it as root?
[03:24] <kapputu> hey tolstoy__, hows u
[03:24] <setite> anyone know how to fix the x server from command prompt
[03:25] <setite> or how to reinstall ubuntu over itself
[03:25] <setite> i just want it back
[03:25] <Wulf_> setite: what u mean with this?
[03:25] <ironwolf> can you change id tags of mp3's in rhythm box?  If so, how?  If not, what do people use?
[03:25] <Wulf_> setite: what's wrong with X server?
[03:25] <setite> wulf with what
[03:25] <setite> i had a power outage
[03:25] <setite> and now after it says starting gnome display manager
[03:25] <Wulf_> this shouldn't break X
[03:25] <setite> i get blank screen... or a bunch of fruity colored bars
[03:25] <setite> like the PSAs on tv
[03:26] <kapputu> did u install it on a ext2 filesystem or ext3?
[03:26] <setite> ext2 i think
[03:26] <setite> whatever ubuntu did by default
[03:26] <Wulf_> setite: do u get a login prompt?
[03:26] <setite> no thats what i should get but instead i get the blank or messed up screen
[03:26] <kapputu> hmm that's the problem setite
[03:27] <setite> what!
[03:27] <setite> tell me please
[03:27] <kapputu> next time when you install Ubuntu install on a ext3 partition
[03:27] <setite> well it did it automatically
[03:27] <Wulf_> ubuntu uses apt, right?
[03:27] <setite> i figured it would do ext3
[03:27] <kapputu> yep
[03:27] <Wulf_> then maybe this might help: apt-get install --reinstall gdm
[03:27] <setite> ok so should
[03:27] <setite> so is that how it goes
[03:27] <setite> install --reinstall
[03:27] <kapputu> are you able to get to the command prompt?
[03:28] <setite> i can with safemode
[03:28] <setite> i was told earlier apt-get reinstall --install xserver-xfree86
[03:28] <randabis> I use Reiser
[03:28] <setite> but it kept giving me errors
[03:28] <kapputu> hmm you should be able to get to the command line even in normal mode
[03:28] <setite> i wanted to use reiser
[03:28] <setite> read that it was better
[03:28] <Wulf_> rasierfs? :)
[03:28] <setite> i tried CTRL+ALT+F1 and got nothing
[03:28] <randabis> lol
[03:29] <setite> why is that funny
[03:29] <jintonic> when i do fglrxinfo i get: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:29] <setite> were you fucking with me earlier?
[03:29] <jintonic> or when i try to start tux racer
[03:29] <Wulf_> jintonic: yeah.. not ati driver installed. vesa doesn't support glx
[03:29] <tolstoy__> arggghhh!!!! I never would have thought this VNC stuff would have been so old fashionedly unixy and hard to deal with!
[03:30] <setite> old fashionedly unixy eh
[03:30] <randabis> no
[03:30] <randabis> you can try CTRL ALT F2
[03:30] <setite> f1 or f2 damnit
[03:30] <Wulf_> ctrl-alt-f1 should be all right
[03:30] <tolstoy__> if you have to edit /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf, it's old fashioned.
[03:30] <jintonic> hrm, i don't think the ati drivers worked when i tried using them
[03:30] <randabis> F2 - F5 should work
[03:30] <randabis> all open different consoles
[03:31] <setite> well what console do i want
[03:31] <kapputu> I'm trying to find out if the x-server is corupted
[03:31] <randabis> any, doesn't matter
[03:31] <setite> if it doesn tmatter what is the difference
[03:31] <jintonic> er, hrm... i'm using fglrx, isn't that ati's driver?
[03:31] <setite> kapputu so its apt-get install --reinstall ... and not apt-get reinstall --install?
[03:32] <jintonic> i specified fglrx, not vesa
[03:32] <jintonic> vesa wouldn't work
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic: type fglrxinfo
[03:32] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> if it says ati then it is ati's
[03:32] <Wulf_> jintonic: check if the kernel module is loaded. I guess it is NOT
[03:32] <jintonic> i did that, it outputs Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". like i said
[03:32] <Wulf_> jintonic: what kernel do u use?
[03:33] <setite> so should i use apt-get install --reinstall gdm?
[03:33] <jintonic> lsmod | grep gllsmod finds fglrx
[03:33] <setite> or apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86
[03:33] <crimsun> jintonic: are you using hoary?
[03:33] <setite> or should i try one... then the other
[03:33] <jintonic> no, warty
[03:33] <crimsun> ah
[03:34] <jintonic> how do i figure out what kernel?
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ok jintonic http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin
[03:34] <jintonic> i know its something i686
[03:34] <crimsun> uname -r
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ok jintonic http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin
[03:34] <jintonic> <IP_ADDRESS>-4-686
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> try this one it is the best guide around
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> and is the working one
[03:34] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> it is ok for your kernel
[03:35] <setite> kapputu where did you go
[03:35] <jintonic> if it doesn't work and kills my xconfig i'll come nag at you, ok? :)
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic: always keep an XFconfig backup
[03:35] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> just in case
[03:36] <Wulf_> uh.. gtk 2 bed, it's 03:35 local time, kind of drunken, have to get up in 6 hours. cu!
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> here it is 04:36 local time
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:36] <Wulf_> s/gtk/gtg/
[03:36] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> Greece
[03:36] <Wulf_> .de
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ln -s /dev/ZzeCoOl   /nice/bed
[03:37] <jintonic> so what do i need, just http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-4.3.0-driver_3.14.6-1_i386.deb ?
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> no
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> go u at the top of the page and read
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> all the guide
[03:37] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> before u do anything
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> jintonic: where are u from?
[03:38] <tolstoy__> Okay. So.  Is it NOT a good idea to login via VNC to a machine in which you're already logged in at the console?  In other words, two running instances of Gnome for your one user?
[03:38] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> if we dont have very diff time i can help u tomorow
[03:38] <jintonic> i've seen that page before, how can i check to make sure i'm not already running those drivers?
[03:38] <tolstoy__> I get "you are already logged in" stuff.
[03:39] <jintonic> california, its about 7pm here
[03:39] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> wow
[03:39] <tolstoy__> And then my gnome-panel moves around the screen to match the lower resolution for the VNC session.
[03:39] <tolstoy__> Jess don't seem right.
[03:39] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> before u tru the guide you have to uninstall the older drivers
[03:40] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> california...it must  be very nice there
[03:40] <jintonic> yup, we have no idea what weather is
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> u are very lucky
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i can only see california in movies
[03:41] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:41] <jintonic> hehe
[03:42] <jintonic> so how can i check to make sure i'm not replacing my driver with the same driver?
[03:42] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> when you type fglrxinfo...what do you get?
[03:42] <jintonic> i don't remember where i got the driver from but it was either that site, ati.com or apt-get
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> type fglrxinfo plz and tell me the output
[03:43] <jintonic> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> wow
[03:43] <jintonic> it says that twice and Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
[03:43] <jintonic> and thats it
[03:43] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> nice :P
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> go to synaptic
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> and search about fglr
[03:44] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> fgl will do the job too
[03:44] <jintonic> same version
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> did you find any fglrx cpackage installed?
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> did you find any fglrx package installed?
[03:45] <jintonic> yes
[03:45] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> version?
[03:45] <jintonic> identical to the one on synaptic
[03:45] <jintonic> <IP_ADDRESS>.3-5
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> what?
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> u are on synaptic now right?
[03:46] <jintonic> yes
[03:46] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> fglrx driver with <IP_ADDRESS>.3-5 version?
[03:46] <jintonic> yes
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> ahhmm ok
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> remove it and then follow the guide i gave you step by step
[03:47] <jintonic> latest is <IP_ADDRESS>.3-5 too
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i know
[03:47] <jintonic> if i remove it won't x stop working?
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> no
[03:47] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:48] <jintonic> but i'm using fglrx driver as my video driver
[03:48] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> follow the guide i gave you from "3b. Binaries and down
[03:48] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> nooo im mistaken
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> start the driver from the beggining
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> the guide*
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> :>
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> i must sleep sorry
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> 04:49 AM here
[03:49] <ZzeCoOl_zleeping> zzecool
[03:51] <jintonic> hrm... why are x clipboards so sketchy? i add some stuff to the clipboard in one app then in another it doesn't know there's anything in the clipboard
[03:51] <setite> yay!
[03:52] <setite> apt-get install -reinstall xserver-xfree86 saved me
[03:52] <setite> im back in ubuntu
[03:52] <setite> and i didnt lose my resolution
[03:52] <tolstoy__> well, it's official.  ubunto and vnc do not mix.
[03:52] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  what vnc were you trying
[03:53] <tolstoy__> all of 'em.
[03:53] <tolstoy__> Xvnc, Xtightvnc, etc.
[03:53] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  didja get it off the respotires
[03:53] <ironwolf> vnc and ubuntu work really well for me... with www.realvnc.com stuff... what are you trying?
[03:53] <tolstoy__> zenrox, yeap. apt-got.
[03:53] <ironwolf> tolstoy__: what's your specific problem?
[03:53] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  what were you trying to connect to ect
[03:54] <tolstoy__> ironwolf, i set up the inetd stuff.
[03:54] <zenrox> may be other options
[03:54] <tolstoy__> well, I want to have my regular console log in, dual screen, 3200x1200, etc.
[03:54] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  what exactaly were you trying to do??
[03:54] <tolstoy__> AND, I want to "terminal service in" to get a new desktop as my same user.
[03:54] <tolstoy__> using vnc for terminal services.
[03:55] <tolstoy__> zenrox, but when I log in at the console, then try to VNC in, I get gdm (good), and "you're already logged in".
[03:56] <brian__> hello?
[03:56] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  thats casue the gui is allready loaded
[03:57] <zenrox> alt+ctrl+f7 will get you to that screen
[03:57] <brian__> anoyone know how to remove nvidia splash screen?
[03:57] <zenrox> alt+ctrl+f1  thru 6 back to the terminal
[03:57] <tolstoy__> zenrox, I think maybe my assumptions about what's possible are way off, is the thing. ;)
[03:58] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  also enable xdmvc(something like that in the desplay manger) and use turminal server client
[03:59] <smo> brian__: Take a look thru /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz  for the "NoLogo" option.  I can't remember exactly where it's meant to go, but it works
[03:59] <tolstoy__> yeah, got that.  hm.
[03:59] <zenrox> thats how i connect to my remote server on my network with out a montor kb or mouse
[04:00] <zenrox> and you get a gdm login to the remote machine
[04:00] <setite> kapputu you there?
[04:01] <zenrox> trying that tolstoy__ ??
[04:01] <zenrox> tolstoy__,  also works for connect to remote win xp systems too
[04:01] <zenrox> and get a win login screen
[04:02] <tolstoy__> zenrox, ironwolf is taking me through....
[04:02] <zenrox> ok
[04:02] <p00p> question.. when i boot up my hoarty system, if i don't have a network cable plugged in or i'm on a network without dhcp, the system will hang for a long time at activating eth0, is there any way to solve this problem without disabling activation on boot?
[04:02] <zenrox> diferent way to do it but effective
[04:03] <zenrox> p00p,  om way got look in the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[04:04] <p00p> what am i looking for?
[04:04] <wil> Hi, how can I close my cd tray, my only experience is slot loading
[04:04] <zenrox> p00p,  disabling eth0 at boot
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> who has an sip phone?
[04:04] <zenrox> wil,  press the button on your cdrom drive
[04:05] <p00p> zenrox: i don't want to disable it at boot though, i just want it to not sit for a couple minutes if there's no network cable hooked up
[04:05] <zenrox> p00p,  dont know your answer but keep looking
[04:05] <p00p> ok thanks anyway
[04:05] <zenrox> n/p i tried
[04:05] <zenrox> hehehe
[04:05] <Willys> pOOP - look at ifplugd
[04:05] <p00p> :)
[04:06] <p00p> Willys: that looks perfect :) thanks
[04:06] <p00p> btw, is it on apt?
[04:07] <p00p> never mind :/
[04:07] <Willys> pOOp- if memory serve me, it's in the universe
[04:07] <p00p> ahhhh ok
[04:07] <p00p> great
[04:07] <Willys> I've never used it for eth0 but use it to connect my Zararus
[04:08] <wil> zenrox:I am running a 17 inch Imac, eject button on keyboard doen't work.
[04:09] <zenrox> wil hmm i dont knwo macs
[04:10] <wil> zenrox: thanxs anyway.
[04:10] <zenrox> thats one area id like to inprove on is a g4 duel cpu
[04:18] <jintonic> i'm trying to get another radeon driver working via this tutorial: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin but when i try to do make-kpkg it gives me an error msg "We do not seem to be in a top level linux kernel source directory ..."
[04:19] <sri_> should I use 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for upgrading ubuntu?
[04:19] <crimsun> generally upgrade is sufficient
[04:19] <daniels> dist-upgrade
[04:19] <crimsun> sometimes when new packages are introduced, you'll need dist-upgrade
[04:21] <sri_> btw, i just now installed ubuntu
[04:22] <sri_> changed sources.list to use "hoary"
[04:22] <sri_> before this I was using debian/sid
[04:22] <crimsun> you'd need to dist-upgrade from sid to hoary
[04:22] <sri_> I hope it (hoary) would be at least as stable as debian/sid
[04:23] <sri_> i mean the same amount of errors that come when using debian/sid :D
[04:23] <crimsun> you'll encounter plenty of odds and ends
[04:23] <sri_> crimsun, i just installed ubuntu over my debian partition :)
[04:23] <crimsun> for instance, the menus will be out of sync even if you run `sudo update-menus'
[04:24] <sri_> crimsun, i could not get you
[04:24] <Linuxnoob> hi all :)
[04:24] <Linuxnoob> long time no see
[04:24] <kebac>
[04:24] <kebac> sry
[04:24] <Linuxnoob> I'm still having problems with my modem
[04:25] <Linuxnoob> and you guys seem to know a lot :)
[04:25] <kebac> everyone with a modem has a problem
[04:25] <sri_> crimsun, you are talking about doing dist-upgrade?
[04:25] <crimsun> sri_: in Hoary, System>System Settings>Users and Groups doesn't exist on my sid/hoary machine
[04:25] <BockBilbo> hello
[04:25] <crimsun> sri_: yes, I'm just listing a few things to be aware of since you're dist-upgrading from sid to hoary
[04:25] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if there are any ubuntu banners for webpages like the ones for firefox, for example?
[04:25] <BockBilbo> im making a website
[04:25] <sri_> crimsun, what is that path?
[04:25] <BockBilbo> and i would like to add an ubntu banner...
[04:26] <LameNick> hi
[04:26] <sri_> crimsun, no, i am dist-upgrading from warty to hoary
[04:26] <mindphasr> can i burn a data cd with k3b that will work windows?
[04:26] <BockBilbo> anyone knows?
[04:26] <crimsun> sri_: ah, ok. Well then disregard what I said. :)
[04:26] <LameNick> i would like to say ubuntu need to get its act together
[04:26] <LameNick> the distro is great
[04:26] <LameNick> its ready for end users
[04:27] <LameNick> but its not preinstall on computers from brandnames
[04:27] <sri_> BockBilbo, post in their forums
[04:27] <sri_> or start a wiki page
[04:27] <LameNick> if ubuntu want to be a hit
[04:27] <Linuxnoob> mindphasr - I just burnt a cd in ubuntu using the software and accessed it in windows fine
[04:27] <LameNick> they need to talk to dell, hp... it have ubuntu preinstalled on computer they sell to the stores
[04:28] <sri_> crimsun, so 'main', 'universal' in wary remains same for that 6 months?
[04:28] <sri_> *warty
[04:28] <LameNick> i would like to walk in to hardly normal and be able to see a hp computer with ubuntu to mess with
[04:28] <crimsun> sri_: warty's not moving at all.
[04:29] <AndyFitz> LameNick,  you are from .AU ?
[04:29] <LameNick> yes
[04:29] <sri_> what is the .config of warty's kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>) ?
[04:29] <sri_> /proc/config.gz does not exist
[04:29] <LameNick> thats why i said hardly normal....
[04:29] <crimsun> sri_: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[04:30] <AndyFitz> heh easy to pick the local nickname
[04:31] <sri_> btw, why there is 'ubuntu' sub-menu entry in gnome menu (something like 'debian' submenu in debian x-window managers)
[04:31] <sri_> why there is *NO* ....
[04:31] <sri_> cool
[04:31] <Linuxnoob> anyone know how to fix my modem?  Here's a link to the information.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=44688#post44688
[04:31] <crimsun> sri_: you can get the Debian ones by installing menu-xdg
[04:31] <Linuxnoob> I installed a driver and it isn't working
[04:31] <sri_> comfortable and responsive
[04:32] <sri_> crimsun, so will ubuntu packages **ubuntu** install into that menu?
[04:33] <zenrox> sri,  yes
[04:33] <sri_> hoary users, do you use gnome2.9 ?
[04:33] <sri_> while upgrading to hoary, i see many 2.9.x gnome packages :D
[04:34] <LameNick> yes
[04:34] <LameNick> hoary use gnome 2.9
[04:34] <bretzel> how do you upgrade to hoary ??
[04:35] <sri_> bretzel, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:36] <sri_> bretzel, you have to change 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <randabis> update to hoary at your own risk though
[04:36] <sri_> bretzel, then do a update and dist-upgrade
[04:37] <sri_> *long time debian/sid user
[04:37] <bretzel> is there any broken screwing stuff ? because I have totally screwed XFree86 against Xorg two gdm wanted to start and I had to re-install from scrtch warty ...
[04:38] <sri_> when is this going to made official? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:39] <sri_> channel op! put http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ in /topic
[04:40] <Linuxnoob> why are there like 100 users in here but only like 3 of them say anything
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> because that's life
[04:41] <usual> hi
[04:41] <neuro_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker
[04:41] <usual> is nvidia fubar in hoary?
[04:41] <doubletwist> Is there an amd64 specific ubuntu channel?
[04:41] <Linuxnoob> either that or being a mime back in style
[04:41] <usual> after the kernel update
[04:41] <tritium> usual, restricted-modules has not yet been updated.  Don't upgrade the kernel until proper modules are available.
[04:42] <sri_> Linuxnoob, this is not #debian
[04:42] <sri_> :)
[04:42] <Linuxnoob> lol
[04:42] <Linuxnoob> sri_ - do you know anything about modems on ubuntu?
[04:43] <usual> tritium, oh, i didn't put it on hold, so it was updated automagically
[04:43] <|Arioch|> One quick question... how can I exit Gnome without rebooting?  Logout just reboots.
[04:43] <doubletwist> I got a modem working in ubuntu once. But I forgot how I did it, so I'm no good. :)
[04:43] <Locutus1976> Is there any way to have Gaim startup automatically when you log into gnome?
[04:43] <Linuxnoob> lol
[04:43] <Linuxnoob> I don't have broadband here - this town sucks
[04:43] <tritium> Locutus1976, save your session when you log out.  Make sure gaim is running.
[04:43] <Linuxnoob> so it's either 56k or nothing
[04:44] <Locutus1976> Tritium: Thank you.
[04:44] <Linuxnoob> which means get dialup working with ubuntu or uninstall and keep xp
[04:44] <tritium> sure thing
[04:44] <tritium> usual, using synaptic, or what?
[04:44] <doubletwist> I had gotten a new house in a new neighborhood, without broadband. Luckily it only took them 2 months to get both cable and dsl.
[04:44] <usual> tritium, no, apt-get
[04:44] <oak> locutus, you can also go to desktop preferences, sessions
[04:44] <oak> and add a startup program
[04:44] <Linuxnoob> I've been waiting over 2 years for dsl or cable
[04:45] <doubletwist> That so sucks.
[04:45] <tritium> usual, that's odd, same here.
[04:45] <doubletwist> I've been very very lucky in the broadband department.
[04:45] <tritium> But new kernel is held back for me.
[04:45] <doubletwist> Linuxnoob: You can't even get idsl?
[04:45] <usual> hmm
[04:45] <Linuxnoob> I can't get anything
[04:45] <Linuxnoob> other than 56k
[04:45] <doubletwist> Where do you live?
[04:45] <Linuxnoob> and this is a college town
[04:46] <tritium> usual, did you do dist-upgrade or upgrade
[04:46] <tritium> ?
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> illinois
[04:46] <tritium> Linuxnoob, are you having ice storms?
[04:46] <usual> tritium, dist
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> I had ice storms
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> you?
[04:46] <tritium> yep, here in Lafayette, IN
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> we got .25 inches of ice
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> inches?
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> I talked to my friend who is in eastern IN and she said they don't have power
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> wow
[04:46] <Linuxnoob> yes
[04:47] <Linuxnoob> we got a lot of ice
[04:47] <Linuxnoob> very little snow
[04:47] <doubletwist> It's chilly here now [30] ,but I think it's supposed to hit high 70's early next week. [ducking]
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> any sip users around?
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 284 here in San Francisco.
[04:47] <Linuxnoob> it's 15 here now
[04:47] <doubletwist> Wow that's pretty hot :)
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..i use kelvin.
[04:47] <doubletwist> Or are you measuring in Kelvin. hehe
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> use kelvin, dvorak, etc.  speak esperanto.  i'm trying to be leet.
[04:48] <doubletwist> We don't get our ice storm until Feb usually.
[04:48] <tritium> Yeah, we got I don't know how much ice we've gotten.  Every branch on the trees and every blade of grass is surrounded by about 3/4" of ice.
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> where?
[04:48] <tritium> usual, dist-upgrade is what did it to you
[04:48] <doubletwist> I'm currently in Texas [near Ft. Worth]
[04:48] <Linuxnoob> ugh
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was in beaumont for solstice.
[04:48] <doubletwist> I've got video of my wife ice-skating in our cul-de-sac last year.
[04:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's where my gf is from.
[04:48] <Linuxnoob> the north of us got upwards of 12 inches of snow
[04:48] <usual> tritium, i see
[04:48] <Linuxnoob> weird storm
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> houston had snow when i was there a few weeks ago.
[04:49] <sri_> it's 22 degree here
[04:49] <tritium> usual, maybe you should use the -u switch to double-check what is going to be done before you do it.
[04:49] <doubletwist> I wish it would snow here. We got like .10" of snow 2 days before christmas.
[04:49] <rm6990> I live in Canada, and it is absolutely freezing here. It is like a sandstorm the way the snow is blowing, it normally doesnt get this cold
[04:49] <Linuxnoob> I wanted the snow - ice stinks
[04:49] <tritium> Lots of ice here in Debian's birthplace
[04:49] <usual> tritium, good idea
[04:50] <rm6990> Does anyone know of a good p2p app other than Limewire?
[04:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone here gotten linphone to work?
[04:50] <sri_> http://archive.ubuntu.com seems to be inconsistent in speeds
[04:51] <Linuxnoob> I wish I had a desktop to put ubuntu on... I could easily change modems - with this laptop I'm stuck
[04:51] <bungle> hey does anyone no of any pcimia cards that fix in a g3
[04:51] <bungle> fit*
[04:52] <sri_> rm6990, emule
[04:52] <Linuxnoob> bungle - no info @ apple.com?
[04:52] <tritium> usual, you can always downgrade your kernel until restricted-modulues-2.6.10 is out
[04:52] <attaq> http://lynucs.org/?&moosh
[04:52] <sri_> Linuxnoob, what's the problem with your modem?
[04:52] <Linuxnoob> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=44688#post44688
[04:53] <Linuxnoob> is the problem with my modem
[04:53] <usual> tritium, i did :( haha
[04:53] <rm6990> sri_: is emule available in one of Ubuntu's repositories?
[04:53] <doubletwist> Some linux modem info: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[04:54] <LameNick> OMG
[04:54] <Linuxnoob> read that :)
[04:54] <Linuxnoob> thanks double
[04:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is it so hard to find sip users on irc?
[04:54] <LameNick> there is a naked female on my cd cover
[04:54] <LameNick> how sick
[04:54] <Linuxnoob> I've googled the heck outta this
[04:54] <LameNick> how offize
[04:54] <sri_> rm6990, try 'amule'
[04:54] <LameNick> this must be removed
[04:54] <doubletwist> Linuxnoob Well, what problem are you having? Something specific is more likely to get help.
[04:55] <sri_> Linuxnoob, buy a new modem
[04:55] <Linuxnoob> the specifics are posted in http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=44688#post44688
[04:55] <sri_> it's cheap
[04:55] <Linuxnoob> sri_ - how I have a laptop
[04:55] <Linuxnoob> I think its integrated
[04:55] <sri_> rhythmbox does not play mp3.  What package needs to be installed?
[04:56] <Linuxnoob> unless I buy a external which I don't want
[04:56] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:56] <rm6990> sri_: you can also install xmms from apt, it plays mp3s
[04:56] <doubletwist> I ended up needing a usb modem.
[04:57] <tritium> for mp3 with rhythmbox
[04:57] <Linuxnoob> if I have to use a USB modem on my laptop I'd rather use xp
[04:57] <doubletwist> or I've had pcmcia modems that were fairly well supported [although it was only 28.8k]
[04:57] <sri_> tritium, cool, will that suffice for xmms?
[04:57] <Linuxnoob> and 28.8 isn't gonna cut it
[04:58] <Linuxnoob> 56k is bad enough
[04:58] <tritium> winmodems are awful
[04:58] <Linuxnoob> yep
[04:58] <doubletwist> Agreed.
[04:58] <Linuxnoob> sick of MS
[04:58] <doubletwist> I never got 56.6 anyway. Best I've ever gotten is 33.6
[04:58] <tritium> sri_, you should be able to use xmms without gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:58] <tritium> if that's your preference
[04:59] <tritium> If you want to use rhythmbox, then get it
[04:59] <Linuxnoob> double - do you use the 33.6 now? is ubuntu your os?
[04:59] <doubletwist> No, I got dsl again.
[04:59] <sri_> ubuntu sounds are cool!
[04:59] <Linuxnoob> if 33.6 is all that linux can do they have some work to do
[05:00] <doubletwist> Oh no, it's a problem with the phone lines.
[05:00] <bungle> nowhere on pple.com can I find anywhere about if pcimia cards of any sort might fit
[05:00] <sri_> *internet
[05:01] <doubletwist> 64k? Half an isdn?
[05:01] <rm6990> when i start amule, this is the message i get. No Serverlist adress entry in 'addresses.dat' found. Please paste a valid serverlist address into this file in order to auto-update your server list
[05:01] <rm6990> how do i fix this?
[05:01] <doubletwist> or an old sk00l leased line? :)
[05:01] <Linuxnoob> sri - I took my laptop to work and downloaded it on the network in 40 min
[05:01] <Linuxnoob> lol
[05:02] <doubletwist> I miss working for a hosting company....
[05:02] <Linuxnoob> who did you work for?
[05:02] <Linuxnoob> I work for a school district :)
[05:03] <doubletwist> I've worked for CI Hist [sucked]  and XO Communications [rocked]
[05:03] <doubletwist> hist=host
[05:03] <Linuxnoob> I actually used them once
[05:03] <Linuxnoob> it sucked
[05:03] <sri_> doubletwist, this is the broadband in our country. adsl.  comes to 6.6 kBps download
[05:03] <Linuxnoob> CI that is
[05:03] <doubletwist> yeah
[05:04] <doubletwist> worst company I've ever worked for.
[05:04] <Linuxnoob> they jerked me around and I told them to piss off :)  went to rackspace
[05:04] <daniels> Linuxnoob, doubletwist: ok, offtopic
[05:04] <Linuxnoob> yep :)
[05:04] <Linuxnoob> back to the modem from hell lol
[05:05] <rm6990> rm6990
[05:05] <rm6990> whoops, sorry, anyways, does anyone know where to get the serverlist for addresses.dat for amule?
[05:06] <kebac> i guess it should do it by itself
[05:06] <kebac> at least windows client does
[05:06] <setite> blashphemer!
[05:07] <doubletwist> hehe
[05:07] <doubletwist> brb
[05:07] <rm6990> kebac: the cvs version available in universe didnt
[05:07] <kebac> then go to www.emule-project.net and find more info
[05:07] <kebac> rm6990: or go to the amule home page
[05:08] <kebac> www.amule.org
[05:08] <kebac> is amule a good client
[05:09] <setite> i like limewire personally
[05:09] <rm6990> kebac: it seems to be nicely laid out...and i looked on their page and couldnt find the info
[05:09] <rm6990> setite: i dont wish to use java or any other sun controlled software anymore
[05:09] <setite> ok.. suit yourself
[05:10] <kebac> i'll try both
[05:10] <setite> if it works...and works well... im happy
[05:10] <rm6990> setite: i am also a FreeBSD user, and since Sun recently terminated their java license, I don't wish to use Sun's software anymore, they are not dependable in my opinion
[05:10] <odyssey> why is there an rpm folder in /usr/src?
[05:10] <kebac> FreeBSD o/
[05:11] <setite> i dont quite understand what FreeBSD is or why people use
[05:11] <setite> it
[05:11] <kebac> i dont understand linux, and why ppl use it...
[05:11] <rm6990> setite: it is similar to linux, but different at the same time. Linux and FreeBSD are both excellent OS's
[05:11] <rm6990> so no flame wars please
[05:12] <kebac> i have used BSD:s always...
[05:12] <kebac> it would be quite a shock to move to linux, i guess
[05:12] <setite> whose flaming
[05:13] <rm6990> anyways, OpenOffice is the only Sun software I'll use, since they don't have complete control over it and it can be forked out of their hands should they screw around like they like to do with java
[05:13] <Quest-Master> I always that BSD was Blue Screen of Death.. I was confused about FreeBSD-- Free Blue Screen of Death?
[05:13] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:13] <rm6990> setite: just saying no flames, they are almost inevitable when FreeBSD comes up on Linux forums or chats
[05:13] <setite> well they dont have full control of limewire in that case right
[05:13] <kebac> Quest-Master: blue screen=BSOD :P
[05:13] <kebac> no BSD...
[05:14] <setite> FREEBSD means free butt sex dudes
[05:14] <rm6990> setite: how can i use Limewire if I refuse to use Java?
[05:14] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[05:14] <Quest-Master> I know
[05:14] <setite> haha jp
[05:14] <Quest-Master> That was a long time ago though
[05:14] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:14] <Quest-Master> What does BSD stand for?
[05:14] <rm6990> Berkely Software Distribution
[05:14] <setite> berkeley somethign
[05:14] <neuro_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD
[05:14] <Quest-Master> hehe
[05:14] <setite> choppin broccoli
[05:14] <kebac> Quest-Master: got to admit that that thought crossed my mind, too
[05:14] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[05:15] <kebac> Quest-Master: couldn't help it :)
[05:15] <setite> ooh i gotta get that song now
[05:15] <setite> CHOPPING BROCCOLI!
[05:15] <setite> everyone get that song
[05:17] <wapowell> hi everyone
[05:18] <wapowell> recent ubuntu convert here
[05:18] <wapowell> :)
[05:18] <kebac> hello
[05:18] <kebac> what did you use before
[05:18] <wapowell> XP
[05:20] <kebac> it's 06:20am here...
[05:20] <wapowell> where are you?
[05:20] <kebac> finland
[05:20] <wapowell> it is 11:20 PM here
[05:20] <kebac> should go to bed already
[05:20] <wapowell> ah ok, I am near Orlando, Florida.
[05:20] <kebac> right
[05:22] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: you just try a call?
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhh...
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> me?
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> uhhh...
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmmm
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah.
[05:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> why can i hear it ring but i can't hear once you pick up?
[05:23] <MacPlusG3> phone rang
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hear a "wuhhhhh..........wuhhhhhhh........."
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> but once it connects i hear nothing.
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> can you try to call me?
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm using linphone now because minisip gave me no sound at all.
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's ringing!!
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> yayyyy
[05:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's a start
[05:23] <jintonic> why is fglrx not loading GLX?!?!
[05:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> but dagnabbit..i hear no sound.
[05:24] <jintonic> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:24] <setite> you know transfers on gaim dont work very well
[05:24] <setite> i cant figure out how to direct connect
[05:24] <setite> and when they direct connect to me...
[05:24] <jintonic> i get that whenever i run fglrxinfo... i have an ati radeon 9200LE
[05:24] <setite> it worked once
[05:24] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: yeap
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> :)
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> so this is really bizarre.
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> what could cause such a problem?
[05:25] <rm6990> setite: which client are you using?
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> clearly linphone can use my sound device because it makes a ring sound.
[05:25] <jintonic> i've tried the ati official driver, i've tried the one apt-get has, i've tried the one you find at the first listing while searching for "fglrx" on google
[05:25] <jintonic> every time they work, but glx still doesn't work
[05:26] <randabis> Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable - Linux 2.6.10 - Uptime: 2:02 - CPU: 	AMD Athlon(tm) XP<EMAIL_ADDRESS>MHz - Memory: 495/503 mb used - Swap: 0/1019 mb used - Video: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900]  (rev a1) - Xfree: <IP_ADDRESS> @ 1280x1024 pixels (322x241 millimeters) 24 bit - Sound: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: thankyou, please do not do that again
[05:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: wheredid you buy your snom?
[05:27] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: www.ozvoip.com
[05:27] <Guardiann> randabis lots of ram usage
[05:27] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: since i'm in .au
[05:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahh..
[05:28] <randabis> sorry was just testing
[05:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> my roomie went to a year of college at Melbourne U.
[05:28] <randabis> won't do it again
[05:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> we play basketball sometimes, but always win cause he's an unco.
[05:29] <randabis> Guardiann I think because nothing is in swap
[05:29] <jintonic> anybody wanna take a whack at why glx isn't starting on my ati radeon 9200le?
[05:29] <jintonic> glxinfo
[05:29] <Guardiann> those scripts dont always show accurately either
[05:30] <jintonic> since glxinfo works i guess that means glx is installed...
[05:30] <jintonic> and i have Load "glx" in my xconfig
[05:30] <jintonic> and i've tried all the different drivers for my card
[05:30] <rm6990> setite: if u r using msn, have u considered amsn, it is available in universe?
[05:33] <dasmi> Greetings
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it mean when linphone says "forbidden"?
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> weird
[05:36] <dasmi> Selecting...unpacking...selecting...unpacking...
[05:36] <Guardiann> randabis you got your kernel to work
[05:36] <dasmi> on and on and on and on
[05:36] <jintonic> what differences are there between xf86 and xorg?
[05:37] <dasmi> whee on i'm python...almost done
[05:38] <randabis> yes I did Guardiann
[05:38] <randabis> :)
[05:38] <setite> yea i use AIM mostly
[05:38] <Guardiann> very good
[05:38] <setite> only msn when i need to
[05:38] <randabis> bootsplash is being weird though
[05:39] <randabis> the shutdown bootsplash works, but not the startup
[05:39] <setite> does anyone know if cedega will ever feature 5.1 gaming?
[05:39] <Guardiann> oh yeah hows the speed
[05:39] <setite> rm6990 im using gaim
[05:39] <setite> sorry i didnt see your messages
[05:39] <randabis> speed's fine, only did a minor update from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10
[05:39] <Guardiann> ah ok
[05:39] <randabis> used my old config since I had already tweaked it
[05:39] <dasmi> Anyone else running it on an iBook?
[05:40] <randabis> just wish I could figure out why the bootsplash is being weird
[05:42] <tritium> randabis, did you patch your kernel yourself?
[05:42] <dasmi> now setting all the packages up.
[05:42] <dasmi> god this takes a while on a 300MHz PPC with 96 MB ram :)
[05:43] <jintonic> how could a get my system to not try to modprobe pciech (i think thats the name of one of the things causing an error at startup)
[05:43] <randabis> yes
[05:43] <randabis> I patched it manually
[05:44] <tritium> ok
[05:44] <randabis> and my splash image is in my initrd
[05:44] <idge> hello I am trying to set up a printer...when i try to print an OppenOffice text document...the printer does nothing
[05:45] <idge> any advice?
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: user cannot be found at given address. :(
[05:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[05:45] <randabis> have you set up the printer in Computer --> System Configuration --> Printers?
[05:45] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: rang, and i answered
[05:45] <randabis> Printing even
[05:45] <idge> no i just got the cups package and did that
[05:46] <collapser> I just installed vncserver and I can't run vncpasswd - @vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:46] <collapser> @
[05:46] <Guardiann> idge use abiword it seems almost the same but smaller and quicker
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm depressed.
[05:46] <jintonic> ahh, i see.. pciehp... PCI Express Hot Plug
[05:46] <randabis> you have to set it up through Computer --> System Configuration --> Printing
[05:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: do you know much about the internals of sip?
[05:46] <randabis> that's the easy way anyway
[05:46] <idge> what is "abiword"
[05:46] <randabis> it's a word processor
[05:47] <Guardiann> yep i like it
[05:47] <idge> ok...i should "Add New Printer" or something like that?
[05:47] <jintonic> since i don't have pcie it causes an error... so why the hell does ubuntu check for pcie every bootup? expecting that you're gonna change your motherboard to a crazily expensive one
[05:47] <randabis> yes
[05:47] <idge> oh ok...i will try abiword
[05:47] <Guardiann> its in synaptic
[05:47] <randabis> try the Add New Printer thing though
[05:47] <randabis> because it shouldn't matter what word processor you are using
[05:48] <jintonic> ok, so how do i get my system to stop modprobing for pciehp at boot?
[05:48] <Guardiann> except abi runs much quicker
[05:48] <locmon> when did ubuntu first come out?
[05:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> MacPlusG3: can you call me just one last time?
[05:49] <MacPlusG3> BROKEN_LADDER: calling
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you talking?
[05:49] <MacPlusG3> yeas i am
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus h christ this sucks.
[05:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks.
[05:49] <dasmi> man, i'm going ot need some more RAM. Soon.
[05:50] <setite> did reinstall xserver-xfree86 screw with my dvd support?
[05:50] <setite> when i try and play a dvd now
[05:50] <setite> it says
[05:50] <setite> xine engirne eroor
[05:51] <setite> There is no input plugin available to hangle 'dvd:/",
[05:51] <setite> Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream source doesn't exist
[05:52] <collapser> vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:52] <collapser> what is going on?
[05:53] <idge> randabis:  I did the add new, but it just fed a blank sheet thru the printer..no ink on paper....
[05:53] <idge> ??
[05:53] <Guardiann> i think you have to also configure the printer in office
[05:54] <idge> i am unfamiliar with office...what would i do?  ( i am VERY new at Linux)
[05:54] <rm6990> how come when i install either bittorrent or bittornado with synaptic, i can start neither of them? what command do i issue to start them?
[05:54] <rm6990> idge: what do u mean office?
[05:54] <Guardiann> :) try abi if you dont like it go back to office
[05:55] <Guardiann> open office
[05:55] <idge> yes..openoffice....
[05:55] <randabis> maybe you should consider installing azureus
[05:55] <idge> sorry
[05:55] <rm6990> randabis: i dont wish to install java at this time
[05:55] <randabis> at
[05:55] <randabis> ah even
[05:56] <randabis> well, bittornado maybe
[05:56] <randabis> in a console
[05:56] <randabis> check /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
[05:56] <randabis> the command is probably in one of those directories
[05:57] <rm6990> found it, it is btdownloadcurses and btdownloadgui
[05:57] <rm6990> thank you very much randabis
[05:57] <rm6990> idge: have u considered gnome office or staroffice?
[05:58] <rm6990> idge: or koffice for that matter...although it is not officially supported by ubuntu
[05:58] <DeepSpaceAnt> do u know any reason the current fglrx drivers would detect my 9700 pro as a 9500 generic on UBUNTU linux XFREE86?
[05:58] <DeepSpaceAnt> do u know any reason the current fglrx drivers would detect my 9700 pro as a 9500 generic on UBUNTU linux XFREE86?
[05:58] <DeepSpaceAnt> opps..
[05:59] <daniels> DeepSpaceAnt: they're known to be broken like that -- the new drivers, which are coming out next week (apparently) should fix this
[06:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> thanks
[06:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> hope so.
[06:00] <nite_fly> how is ubuntu compared to suse ?
[06:01] <dasmi> I prefer Ubuntu.   I myself prefer Ubuntu
[06:02] <nite_fly> functionality wise though ?
[06:02] <randabis> sorry
[06:02] <doubletwist> Depends on what functionality you need.
[06:02] <reisio> ha...that was one seriously painless install :p
[06:02] <dasmi> This is taking an unbelievable amount of time :)
[06:03] <reisio> what is?
[06:03] <dasmi> Functionality wise, I think Ubuntu wins
[06:03] <reisio> funtionality? :p
[06:03] <reisio> func* :p
[06:03] <dasmi> Installing ubuntu on my old ibook
[06:03] <reisio> I think they did a really good job of customizing a lot of existing stuff
[06:03] <reisio> and of course the installer is very nice
[06:04] <dasmi> I can't beleive how long it's been going.  Granted, I only have 96 MB of ram... but come on! :)
[06:04] <doubletwist> There's stuff I love about ubuntu, and stuff that drives me nuts. :)
[06:04] <reisio> dasmi: what part are you at?
[06:04] <doubletwist> I'm just now finally trying the amd64 version.
[06:04] <dasmi> Setting up all the packages.
[06:04] <tritium> hmm, I edited /etc/hdparm.conf to enable dma for my CD-ROM, but the device symlink isn't yet created when /etc/init.d/hdparm is called
[06:04] <reisio> dasmi: ya, heh, that is the long part :p
[06:04] <dasmi> Initializing package states...
[06:04] <dasmi> That's nearing the end
[06:04] <dasmi> right?
[06:04] <reisio> dasmi: *shrug*
[06:04] <reisio> I only installed about an hour ago
[06:05] <reisio> just fixed the resolution and some theme stuff
[06:05] <tritium> How are any of you enabling dma on your CD-ROMs?
[06:05] <dasmi> Registering documentation...
[06:05] <rm6990> nite_fly: like i said, it depends on your personal preferences. Most of the software available for SUSE is available for Ubuntu and vice versa. If you like Gnome you will probably like Ubuntu better since it includes Gnome 2.8 and Gnome 2.9 (depending on whether you are running stable or unstable)
[06:05] <reisio> dasmi: I believe that _is_ close
[06:05] <dasmi> It's gotta be. I can't imagine it taking any longer
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> 2.9?!
[06:05] <reisio> the best thing about ubuntu is the installer - immediate, working system
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah. it's awesome.
[06:06] <reisio> you can always break it down and screw with it later
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used slack for a year and now i'm no ubuntu for the second or third day and in love with it.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> in love.
[06:06] <reisio> dasmi: clearly you've never done a stage1 install of Gentoo Linux :p
[06:06] <randabis> haha
[06:06] <dasmi> I know Gentoo takes a long time :)
[06:06] <doubletwist> Ah Slackware. I do miss slack sometimes.
[06:06] <reisio> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm on Ubuntu atm because the Debian install manual bites and Gentoo keeps letting me down with their package maintainence
[06:06] <dasmi> The other computer i installed ubuntu on was a really fast pc, so things went...faster :)
[06:07] <randabis> getting a working gentoo install from stage one can take over a day
[06:07] <doubletwist> I've done an install of Sourcemage [equiv to stage1 gentoo]  on a P133 with 32MB ram :)
[06:07] <reisio> randabis: oh I'd say absolutely over a day if you want a full GUI setup
[06:07] <randabis> yeah
[06:07] <reisio> unless you have some evilly sickly fast comp
[06:07] <reisio> in which case I'd have to hurt you
[06:07] <brenden_> i'm trying to get a windows samba share mount at boot
[06:08] <randabis> nah just a athlon xp 2500+@3200+
[06:08] <dasmi> Still registering documentation...
[06:08] <Jasoney> i needed a driver from mandrake today... couldn't get it unless i was a member of their "club"   what's that all about?
[06:08] <brenden_> but when i use mount -t smbfs, it has a fit
[06:08] <doubletwist> I gave up on the source distro's because I was sick of having to compile all day when there was a mozilla or kde or X update.
[06:08] <reisio> hrmm, anybody know how to change your own name's color in irssi?
[06:08] <randabis> I like nfs so much better than samba
[06:08] <reisio> Jasoney: lol mandrake is commercial, bollix them
[06:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here have an sip phone?
[06:08] <dasmi> GAH. I don't care about the docs, let's move Ubuntu! MOVE!!
[06:08] <randabis> lol
[06:08] <Jasoney> i just use mandrake at work
[06:09] <reisio> doubletwist: ya, Gentoo is still nice for the initial install
[06:09] <rm6990> reisio: mandrake has a free download version though, although i personally do not care for mandrake
[06:09] <reisio> rm6990: sure, but I don't go near distros that have commercial version - even if they have free ones, too
[06:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> me need helpy with linphone
[06:09] <brenden_> so, nobody knows how to make samba work correctly/
[06:09] <reisio> this includes redhat
[06:09] <brenden_> ?
[06:09] <randabis> I guess a solution would be to just do a stage 3 install with the precompiled packages
[06:09] <doubletwist> brenden_ Need more specific info.
[06:10] <Jasoney> arethe old beta winmodem linuxant drivers still legal to download?
[06:10] <doubletwist> What's the error you're getting?
[06:10] <reisio> Jasoney: does it matter?
[06:10] <brenden_> doubletwist: i'm trying to mount a windows share at boot, but mount -t smbfs is not working
[06:10] <brenden_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option,
[06:11] <randabis> maybe it's just smb
[06:11] <randabis> not sure
[06:11] <reisio> hrmmm
[06:11] <doubletwist> and smbfs is installed?
[06:11] <brenden_> yes, so how do i start smb?
[06:11] <brenden_> i don't know
[06:11] <brenden_> i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[06:11] <doubletwist> apt-get install smbfs
[06:11] <reisio> how many other distros are completely free and have such painless installers (from single CD)?
[06:11] <randabis> check in synaptic
[06:11] <Jasoney> the 2.6 debian kernal is the best i've ever tried
[06:11] <alka_trash> hey guys
[06:11] <randabis> or do what doubletwist said hehe
[06:12] <brenden_> i like building/compiling my own kernels generally
[06:12] <reisio> Jasoney: I'm not in it deep enough yet to know which kernel to prefer :p
[06:12] <Jasoney> it does everything right so ffar
[06:12] <reisio> alka_trash: lo
[06:12] <doubletwist> I find it's faster to type than to open synaptic, search, select, apply....
[06:12] <randabis> resio just ubuntu me thinks
[06:12] <eelriverlt> BROKEN_LADDER, Popped in to see how the install went.
[06:12] <brenden_> haha yes
[06:12] <brenden_> apt-get install smbfs did the trick
[06:12] <brenden_> thanks everyone
[06:12] <reisio> randabis: that's what I'm thinking, it's surprising :/
[06:12] <dasmi> my god. STILl register docs
[06:12] <reisio> of course I don't bother checking all the tons of vague distros :p
[06:12] <reisio> dasmi: :)
[06:12] <dasmi> DONE!
[06:13] <alka_trash> does anyone remember what the link that needs to to be made for GLX to load when x starts in hoary ( it's like in /usrX11R6/lib/.. something)
[06:13] <dasmi> Starting Gnome...
[06:13] <randabis> doubletwist yeah me too, just try to simplify things for the noobs
[06:13] <reisio> dasmi: wewtx0r
[06:13] <reisio> got me, this is Warty
[06:13] <Jasoney> anyway. i'm looking forward to getting my ubuntu CD's.. how long does it usually take to arrive?
[06:13] <setite> how do i change my login thing
[06:13] <dasmi> oh my god. I've got X and sound working.
[06:13] <randabis> yeah I r warty too
[06:13] <setite> i got a theme for it but i dont know how to use
[06:13] <setite> it
[06:13] <randabis> Computer --> System Configuration --> Login Screen Setup
[06:13] <reisio> setite: computer > system configuration...awe rand :p
[06:14] <doubletwist> Anyone know if there's any plans to make xfce part of the official archive?
[06:14] <Gwildor> setite: its in the mesu somehwere....settings somethig....point and click to it
[06:14] <randabis> no clue
[06:14] <reisio> randabis: how is the gnome loadsplash thing changed?
[06:14] <doubletwist> I've been playing with the xfce 4.2beta3 in debian and ir rocks!
[06:14] <randabis> I don't know :(
[06:14] <Jasoney> how is gnome 2.8?
[06:14] <reisio> doubletwist: ever tried fvwm?
[06:14] <randabis> I wish I did
[06:14] <reisio> randabis: heh, well I'll /msg you when I figure it out
[06:14] <randabis> hoary uses 2.9
[06:14] <doubletwist> reisio Briefly.
[06:15] <dasmi> amazing. I've even got Airport connectivity. This is the shit.
[06:15] <reisio> just curious, I still haven't tried it
[06:15] <randabis> sweet
[06:15] <doubletwist> It's been a long time since I have though.
[06:15] <techn9ne> what is a good cd burning utility for gnome?
[06:15] <reisio> wasn't working on gentoo - x was fried due to (afaik) bad pkg maintenence
[06:15] <randabis> k3b
[06:15] <techn9ne> ... for gnome
[06:15] <randabis> lol
[06:15] <randabis> my bad
[06:15] <doubletwist> I used to keep trying KDE, but I'd always switch back to WindowMaker. Now instead I always go back to xfce
[06:15] <Guardiann> k3b will work in gnome
[06:15] <techn9ne> k3b doesnt work well
[06:16] <randabis> you can use it in gnome though
[06:16] <reisio> techn9ne: isn't there something like gtoast?
[06:16] <techn9ne> it gave me a bunch of errors
[06:16] <randabis> works just fine for me
[06:16] <doubletwist> in what way does k3b not work well?
[06:16] <techn9ne> it said i needed to be root and it was missing libraries
[06:16] <techn9ne> and it looked like crap
[06:16] <doubletwist> I've never had a problem with it. I think it's the only QT  based software that I can't live without. :)
[06:16] <Guardiann> k3b works ok for me but you also need to run it as root
[06:16] <randabis> I have none of said problems
[06:16] <randabis> I don't run it as root
[06:16] <reisio> and it's not even k{insertrandomword}
[06:16] <Jasoney> i'm on windows now because my linux modem driver is flaky