[00:00] <Laurel> hi
[00:03] <dasKreech> !hi | Laurel
[02:21] <poolnoodle> allo where can (if i) can find kubuntu community PPC?
[02:21] <poolnoodle> PowerPC
[02:23] <poolnoodle> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/
[02:23] <poolnoodle> nothing here
[02:24] <poolnoodle> or it would be really cool of you to help out this poor eMac user on a distro that has kde4
[02:24] <poolnoodle> im in a state of love for KDE especially over OS X
[02:28] <RunningAim> hello..i have installed the latest ubuntu server and i have installed gnome.first question is whether i can make the system work as a domain so windows users can connect to it...and second question is whether i can resize my hard drive which is lvm.
[02:29] <poolnoodle> lvm is alot harder to resize
[02:30] <poolnoodle> if you made a volume you might have to resize two partitions
[02:30] <poolnoodle> and the domain? samba?
[02:31] <RunningAim> basically what i did was the following..i installed the system on part of the hard drive...left some space for a partion..but i tried with gparted to enable the second partition and it was nowhere to be found..as the lvm has taken the space
[02:40] <dasKreech> poolnoodle: if there is a Ubuntu Release for PPC you can install the Server and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:40] <dasKreech> ask in #ubuntu-ppc
[02:41] <dasKreech> RunningAim: Yes instal samba and read the documentation for it
[02:41] <RunningAim> ok.thanx
[02:43] <Quaxir> Heydo, does anyone have an idea what to do when this happens: I boot Kubuntu and before I get to login screen (that point there reads "Kubuntu" and few circles below Kubuntu-text) KDE won't start. I'm using Kubuntu 10.04 64x (desktop)
[02:49] <poolnoodle> Quaxir. awe youre running kubuntu! ;)
[02:50] <poolnoodle> *sif sif sif* i cant wait for my new phenom x4 setup with a 5770 and dual LG 22" 1920x1200
[02:51] <poolnoodle> fuul eye candy KWin
[02:53] <poolnoodle> id prefer a HP with amd chipset tho
[02:58] <Kage> How can I set my default audio device?
[02:58] <Kage> I got a USB headset
[02:58] <poolnoodle> alsamixer
[02:59] <poolnoodle> console cmd
[02:59] <poolnoodle> thats how i do it
[03:00] <Kage> poolnoodle: well its not sending my audio to the USB headphones, but to the onboard headphones
[03:05] <Kage> poolnoodle: its the equal to having more then one audio card
[03:05] <poolnoodle> audio goes to all devices in linux
[03:06] <poolnoodle> you just have to turn them on or off with alsamixer
[03:06] <poolnoodle> alsamixer takes switches and commands
[03:06] <poolnoodle> if need be
[03:07] <poolnoodle> usb headset sounds like a crummy chipset tho maybe no support?
[03:08] <Kage> poolnoodle: it sees the device, and it is enabled and turned on and up
[03:08] <Kage> poolnoodle: but I can't hear audio though it unless I make like a test noise though KDE system audio
[03:08] <poolnoodle> ok on those boxes thats mute
[03:08] <poolnoodle> oh you can hear sound?
[03:09] <Kage> poolnoodle: I can hear noise though it, but flash and other things don't work though it
[03:09] <poolnoodle> then i dunno i came here looking for a PPC distro i usually use slackware
[04:01] <blackeagle06> very bright ubuntu morning
[04:04] <Walzmyn> meh. bed time here
[05:05] <vbgunz__> I would like a new GTK theme for my gnome applications on 10.04. Where can I get them? what are they called?
[05:10] <poolnoodle> vbgunz__ just theme gtk apps with qtcurve
[05:11] <vbgunz__> poolnoodle: yeah but I don't like it :( ... not sure where to download new gtk styles for use in KDE. I am at kde-look.org but there is no category for this. I mean, is it I use native GTK styles or something?
[05:12] <poolnoodle> yeah you dont need any apps
[05:12] <poolnoodle> try and find or not gtkrc files and save them in /home/~
[05:12] <poolnoodle> as the appopriate name
[05:12] <poolnoodle> find or not KDE look a likes
[05:12] <poolnoodle> from gnome-look
[05:13] <poolnoodle> or art.gnome.org
[05:13] <poolnoodle> i have searched qtcurve is one a the few that match
[05:13] <vbgunz__> hmm, so the look is based on a native gtk theme?
[05:14] <poolnoodle> yea'h
[05:14] <vbgunz__> ok I'll try to further figure it out thanks for the tip
[05:14] <poolnoodle> and you might have to move the archive to /home/~
[05:14] <poolnoodle> gtkrc needs to have the right nome i forget and in ~
[05:14] <poolnoodle> *name
[05:15] <vbgunz__> I just downloaded a theme. just to try it out
[05:15] <vbgunz__> gonna see if I can figure it out
[05:15] <poolnoodle> its part of the unix fun to know its gtk or qt or imlib or X11
[05:15] <poolnoodle> different themes are cool by me
[05:16] <poolnoodle> for production i like it all the same
[05:18] <vbgunz__> yeah but qtcurve is really far from the same. at this point I am willing to accpet anything nicer. not sure why but I just don't like qtcurve :(
[05:19] <poolnoodle> you have to set kde to qtcurve too
[05:20] <vbgunz__> oh
[05:21] <vbgunz__> I think I might know what you're saying cause I am bugging out here. you're saying I have to overwrite gtkrc with the new theme and leave it on qtcurve?
[05:21] <poolnoodle> yea
[05:21] <vbgunz__> wow, I was hoping I could simply add some choices to the list
[05:21] <poolnoodle> no
[05:21] <vbgunz__> gonna back it up then, I know where its at
[05:21] <poolnoodle> different toolkits
[05:28] <vbgunz__> I replaced gtkrc here at ~/.kde/share/config/ and rebooted a gtk app but things still look the same. in fact the downloaded theme has about 100 files vs a single gtkrc. I don't think this is right :|
[06:14] <ekin04> hi
[06:33] <sriramoman> is there any chat client that supports yahoo video+audio chat for *ubuntu?
[06:54] <rapidsp> hi
[06:55] <rapidsp> whats version of nvidia driver more usable now?
[07:10] <pepsi> what happened to build-essential?
[08:30] <leagris> hello, I try to install quanta but it conflict with the kdewebdev package it is supposed to be already in. Though kdewebdev only contains docs and a readme file stating it should include quanta, (which it does not). What should I do?
[08:48] <leagris> hello, I try to install quanta but it conflict with the kdewebdev package it is supposed to be already in. Though kdewebdev only contains docs and a readme file stating it should include quanta, (which it does not). What should I do?
[10:07] <vbgunz__> how do I get the gtk2 human-theme to take on my KDE colors? I could have sworn there was once an option for that but I cannot find it :(
[10:21] <tjingboem> the shortcut keys don't work. is this a bug?
[10:23] <v3nd3tta``> where don't the work?
[10:35] <maksbotan> hi
[10:36] <maksbotan> can anybody help with KDE applications development?
[10:36] <maksbotan> i don't understand how to use KAuth
[11:32] <tjingboem> how do i regerate the kde-menu?
[11:34] <Quaxir> Heydo, does anyone have an idea what to do when this happens: I boot Kubuntu and before I get to login screen (that point there reads "Kubuntu" and few circles below Kubuntu-text) KDE won't start. I'm using Kubuntu 10.04 64x (desktop).
[11:39] <mudassar> hello people, I am getting an error while linking c code "hidden symbol '__stack_chk_fail_localä isn't defined" please help
[11:49] <uAbdulqadir> how do you install kubuntu
[11:49] <v3nd3tta``> !iso
[11:49] <v3nd3tta``> arg
[11:49] <uAbdulqadir> usb
[11:49] <v3nd3tta``> !usb
[11:50] <v3nd3tta``> it's the help of #ubuntu, just do the same with the kubuntu data :)
[11:50] <uAbdulqadir> ok
[12:25] <hiker_xylophone> ..and what be the trouble?
[13:38] <BE88> hallo thare i need help...
[13:38] <BE88> i need to recover deleted files in Amarok ubuntu 10.04...
[13:38] <BE88> the Amarok deleted my music some how ...
[13:38] <BE88> help plz :)
[14:07] <BajK> Is there a reason for "wait for vsync" being activated automatically in kde?
[14:07] <BajK> it just causes the system to feel sluggish and serves no purpose for the normal user.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[15:03] <sithlord48> mornin BluesKaj
[15:03] <BluesKaj> hi sithlord48
[15:04] <sithlord48> what sort of exciting stuff is happening out there today ? (me im just testing stuff w/ pcsx. )
[15:09] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, pcsx?
[15:10] <sithlord48> yes BluesKaj its a playstation emulator :)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, ok...
[15:12] <sithlord48> its amazing that no issues are being posted , this is a good thing
[15:22] <BajK> is there a way of re-enabling KDE 4.3's behavior of automatically opening the folder popup when hovering over a folder in the folderview?
[15:22] <BajK> now you always have to click on that mushroom/arrow like icon to open the popup
[15:26] <sithlord48> bajk, the shelf plugin has a clickless option as well as support for folder viewing, perhaps that will do it , since it does not seam the folderview will do it any more
[15:27] <BajK> sithlord48: shelf plugin?
[15:27] <sithlord48> BajK: sorry the shelf widget
[15:27] <BajK> shelf? :D
[15:28] <sithlord48> BajK: its a widget, i have it on kde 4.5 on two machines, i didn't install it.. (at least not that i recall
[15:28] <BajK> sithlord48: dunno how it's called in german, i'll start 10.10 and see :D
[15:29] <BajK> there's none
[15:29] <sithlord48> BajK: no i don't .. sorry in english its called shelf, but the icon that it has is that of a draw with stuff in it.
[15:30] <sithlord48> http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/
[15:30] <BajK> I entered she into the search but there is none^^
[15:30] <sithlord48> it must be a part of the lancelot launcher
[15:31] <sithlord48> see if you have that installed
[15:32] <BajK> hm I think I'll stick with 10.04 and wait till 11.04 because the kmixer is also quite broken
[15:32] <BajK> it does not show that volume slider but opens the window directly, and as of pulseaudio there are no devices but the main output ..
[15:33] <sithlord48> yea pulse is a pita on my machine too, its thinks i should always use hdmi out for sound..
[15:35] <BajK> sithlord48: Kubuntu and Pulseaudio - no good mixture
[15:35] <BajK> and I rather want my headset working than being able setting each stream'S volume separately
[15:35] <BajK> I think I'll stick with 10.04 (as its a LTS) and wait till 11.04 and KDE 4.6 is supposed to be quicker and then it'd be perfect :)
[15:36] <sithlord48> BajK: i have noticed the dozen of so times i have tried to use it.. everytime it just fails, and i can't seam to config it easily or get it to remember its config..
[15:36] <sithlord48> 4.5 is great
[15:37] <sogreg> having problems with my wireless. i randomly lose connection to the router and have to disable, enable, and reconnect manually to get back on, sometimes only to be booted again immediately. i am also getting bad password errors on some attempts, but not others, without ever changing the saved password. anyone have any ideas?
[15:37] <sogreg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/496497/
[15:41] <rethus> realy strange! if i do: apt-get update... i got many errors like W: Duplicate sources.list entry ....
[15:42] <rethus> but if i do aptitude update and after this apt-get update again, there are no dublicate sources.list
[15:44] <sithlord48> sogreg: do you have a wired internet connection?
[15:45] <sogreg> sithlord48: no i do not
[15:46] <sithlord48> sogreg: i think what u need to do is check to see if you have a restricted driver availble for you wifi , it may get it to work better, get online, and use the program "jockey" to see if you have properitary drivers taht can be installed
[15:46] <sogreg> sithlord48: thank you very much ill give that a try
[15:47] <sithlord48> sogreg: your welcome and good luck
[15:50] <sogreg> sithlord48: it ran a search and says no proprietary drivers are in use, but doesnt offer any suggestions or alternatives.
[15:51] <sithlord48> sogreg: humm...
[15:51] <sithlord48> sogreg: but it works for a bit then shuts off?
[15:51] <sithlord48> sogreg: it it possibly your router?
[15:52] <sogreg> sithlord48: ive been having this problem at my friends house as well, 2 different routers. no other devices on either network are having this problem, just my laptop
[15:54] <sogreg> sithlord48: i have noticed since installing linux my wifi light flashes alot, and since installing wicd it sometimes shows complete loss of signal, i cant even view available networks
[15:55] <sithlord48> sogreg: did u have issues w/ knetworkmanager?
[15:55] <sogreg> sithlord48: so but it was suggested to me yesterday to try it they said knet had bugs sometimes
[15:56] <sogreg> sithlord48: no*
[15:56] <sithlord48> sogreg: it think its your driver, or soemthign else
[15:56] <sithlord48> sogreg: it worked correctly w/ knetworkmanager?
[15:57] <sogreg> sithlord48: no i was having the same problems with knet, only difference was i didnt notice i was losing signal and couldnt see any available networks until wicd
[15:58] <sogreg> sithlord48: it could be my drivers. but ive been unable to find any i can install they all tell me i they need to be built
[15:58] <rethus> how can i install a package (php-pear) special version (karmic instead of lucid) with aptitude or apt-get
[15:59] <sithlord48> rethus: you have to manually download the packages .deb file and install it w/ dpkg
[16:00] <rethus> didn't work with synaptic, or an apt-comand?
[16:00] <rethus> maybe like in suse, where i can choose, which version to install
[16:02] <BajK> is ATI Radeon HD5145 supported by flgrx?
[16:02] <sithlord48> BajK: go look www.ati.com select the driver from the right,
[16:03] <BajK> hm ok there seems to be a 5xxx category
[16:06] <sogreg> james147: hey, i installed wicd yesterday and everything was fine until last night/this morning when it started happening again
[16:11] <James147> sogreg: sorry, not sure what else you can do (dont know that much about wireless drivers)
[16:11] <Kage> How do I change my default sound card?
[16:11] <bt4> witam
[16:12] <bt4> how to update kadu ??
[16:13] <sogreg> james147: no worries, wicd did show me im losing connection to all networks, think maybe somethings turning the radio off? not sure yet
[16:13] <James147> sogreg: could be...
[16:13] <rethus> sithlord48:  works with aptitude install -t karmic <package-name>
[16:14] <sithlord48> rethus: ok then ,but i have heard you should avoid aptitude useage in kubuntu since it may install differently then apt-get in some cases,
[16:15] <sithlord48> sogreg: then you should prolly reinstall knetworkmanager
[16:18] <sogreg> sithlord48: gave it a try, will see how the day goes. thanks again.
[16:18] <sithlord48> sogreg: no problem , network issues are most annoying
[16:30] <Kage> How do I change my default sound card?
[16:30] <collabra> one sec...
[16:30] <rethus> how can i delete the last entry of histor on shell?
[16:31] <Kage> rethus: rm ~/.bash_history
[16:31] <Kage> oh... last
[16:31] <Kage> ummmm
[16:34] <Kage> rethus: I guess... you would edit ~/.bash_history manually and remove what you don't want
[16:34] <Kage> history -r     looks like it removes everything from the current shell session
[16:36]  * BluesKaj wishes some good soul would write a tutorial for using /etc/network/interfaces on a wireless setup. I know that some advanced users know how to configure their wifi without NM . It can be quite complicated and frustrating if you use WPA2 (wpa supplicant ) setups.
[16:37] <Kage> BluesKaj: I will if you tell me how to change my default sound card :\
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Kage, have you tried changing it in the BIOS, pci or onboard in peripherals  (at least on my setup)
[16:39] <Kage> BluesKaj: I want to make a USB headset my default sound card
[16:39] <Kage> It seems it as a sound card
[16:39] <Kage> and I got most KDE applications to use it
[16:39] <Kage> but some things like flash and games are trying to use the on-board audio
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Kage, yeah that's because it's using the default , not using or scanning for usb
[16:41] <Kage> Hmmm Ill check the BIOS
[16:41] <Kage> brb
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Kage, hang on, gonna check something
[16:47] <Kage> BluesKaj: I disabled the onboard audio chipset.... didn't fix the issue with flash though
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Kage, you left too soon . I was about to suggest this command with your usb headset plugged in , cat /proc/asound/devices
[16:51] <Kage> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.ca/1944254
[16:56] <BluesKaj> Kage, this site is old but the method indicated is fairly new, http://www.lockergnome.com/linux/2007/09/23/setting-the-default-sound-card-usb-headset/
[16:56] <BluesKaj> I'll bbl ... 15 mins
[16:56] <Kage> BluesKaj: already tried that site
[16:58] <Kage> bbl lunch
[17:03] <olskolirc> how is maverick working out for you guys?
[17:04] <NewbieInLinux> hi
[17:04] <olskolirc> hello NewbieInLinux
[17:04] <BajK> how can I use kivio 1.6 on KDE 4.5? I need a good program for doing float charts and dia is just bad
[17:05] <NewbieInLinux> i tried to install Kubuntu 10.04.1 but when in install, in Making user progress, setup crashed
[17:05] <NewbieInLinux> what is problem
[17:05] <NewbieInLinux> can problem are in my disc or what?
[17:05] <olskolirc> how can i create flash?
[17:05] <olskolirc> any toolkit out there?
[17:06] <NewbieInLinux> i dont are tried to install again kubuntu
[17:06] <olskolirc> its in beta NewbieInLinux
[17:06] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: try starting the Try Out Mode (not Setup but the live cd startup) and start setup from there. It crashed at me rarely but nothing bad happened, just restarted setup from there (at live cd you have a full desktop environment that does not exit when setup crashes)
[17:06] <BajK> olskolirc: no, 10.04 is not.
[17:06] <NewbieInLinux> yes i installed it from Live CD mode
[17:07] <NewbieInLinux> and there i got that setup crash message in 10.04.1
[17:07] <olskolirc> its released now? i thought the release was 10/10
[17:07] <BajK> olskolirc: 10.04 -> APril 2010
[17:07] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: yep, that happened at mine as well. try using normal setup
[17:07] <olskolirc> oh im thinking of maverick 10.10
[17:07] <BajK> olskolirc: ;)
[17:07] <NewbieInLinux> so not live cd? in normal setup?
[17:07] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: yep
[17:07] <olskolirc> Lucid sux
[17:08] <NewbieInLinux> ok but can i get langauge packs because i dont are from english
[17:08] <olskolirc> problems distoring vlc video and firefox crashing
[17:08] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: it installs them automatically from the internet after install
[17:08] <NewbieInLinux> ok i try in sometime
[17:08] <olskolirc> look in system setting NewbieInLinux
[17:08] <BajK> olskolirc: then blame vlc and firefox developers, not lucid. it works fine here
[17:08] <NewbieInLinux> but why it crashes in live cd?
[17:08] <olskolirc> not just mine BajK
[17:09] <olskolirc> i don't trust Lucid anymore
[17:09] <BajK> I'll stick with 10.04 till 11.04 is out. 10.10 is worse.
[17:09] <olskolirc> im on Karmic
[17:09] <olskolirc> 11.04?
[17:09] <BajK> olskolirc: natty narwhaöl
[17:09] <NewbieInLinux> what is problem in live cd to make it crash in setup?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> NewbieInLinux, try the alternate install cd, I think it's available in Finnish
[17:10] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: no idea, i just didn't use that live cd anymore^^
[17:10] <NewbieInLinux> so i have really to download again that alternate version
[17:10] <NewbieInLinux> ?
[17:10] <NewbieInLinux> damn my internet is slow
[17:10] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: is there now selection for another language? there should be
[17:11] <NewbieInLinux> ??
[17:11] <NewbieInLinux> i dont understand
[17:11] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: mom, I'll try it.
[17:11] <NewbieInLinux> where is selection for other language?
[17:11] <BajK> you insert the cd
[17:11] <BajK> and there is that boot menu
[17:11] <BajK> it should automatically ask
[17:11] <NewbieInLinux> yes when i boot from CD there comes langauge select
[17:11] <BajK> or press F2 to open that menu
[17:11] <BluesKaj> the alternate install cd requires more attention and choices on your part but it works with difficult to recognize hardware , worked for me on my 5yr old pc
[17:12] <BajK> then select your language and it goes?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> NewbieInLinux, I repeat, the alternate install cd requires more attention and choices on your part but it works with difficult to recognize hardware , worked for me on my 5yr old pc
[17:13] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: then select your language there? or what kind of language do you need?
[17:13] <NewbieInLinux> yes i selected Suomi (Finland) and selected Kokeile Kubuntua ilman muutoksia tietokoneelle (Try kubuntu without changes to computer) then i selected in desktop Install Kubuntu 10.04.1 and i enter my names etc times and selected to format my hard disk and remove Windows and installed and in Tehdään käyttäjää (Making user) it crashed
[17:14] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: again: use the default installer ;) I don't know what's broken here
[17:14] <NewbieInLinux> so i take Asenna kubuntu (Install Kubuntu)? Not Live CD?
[17:14] <BajK> NewbieInLinux: yes
[17:14] <NewbieInLinux> ok thanks for telling that information for me i try it in sometime
[17:14] <NewbieInLinux> =)
[17:14] <NewbieInLinux> bye i have to go
[17:15] <James147> BajK: that just uses the same installer... but without starting up a full desktop enviroment
[17:15] <NewbieInLinux> So that can crashes too??
[17:15] <BajK> James147: but it crashed on live cd at my pc as well but not when using the normal setup
[17:16] <NewbieInLinux> but i have really to go now
[17:16] <James147> weird :S
[17:16] <NewbieInLinux> bye
[17:16] <BajK> James147: maybe the running KDE environment interferes with the setup, whatever^^
[17:16] <vianna> estou testando essa trolha rs
[17:17] <BajK> but I mean, as long as they even don't get the SETUP (which is the first impression the user gets) translated properly and completely, I won't argue about a crashing setup..............
[17:19] <BluesKaj> I was going to ask him how old his pc is , due to the crash ..he might need the alternate install cd which is more HW friendly then the liv e cd
[17:41] <fanti> hello! i've installed kubuntu from scratch and like to have sun-java6-jdk; do i need to enabled "nonfree"-packages in sources.list or something like that?  "apt-cache search sun java jdk" doesn't find the sun java
[17:43] <NewbieInLinux> hi again
[17:43] <NewbieInLinux> =)
[17:46] <fanti> no ideas?
[17:54] <James147> fanti: you need the partner repos enabled
[17:55] <James147> !partner | fanti
[17:55] <fanti> James147: thank you
[18:03] <themyth> hi
[18:23] <ubuntu> 有人？
[18:23] <ubuntu> 中国人
[18:29] <NewbieInLinux> hello
[18:31] <NewbieInLinux> hey but are that problem it crashes in Making user in 10.04?
[18:32] <NewbieInLinux> That was 10.04.1 what crashed in Making user progress. Can 10.04 work?
[18:32] <NewbieInLinux> Are there anyone who talks? :D
[18:35] <NewbieInLinux> ???
[18:37] <NewbieInLinux> i go to sauna =) bye
[18:57] <brew1brew> hey all
[18:58] <brew1brew> I'm looking for some ideas.
[18:59] <brew1brew> My sister updated her Kubuntu 10.04 HP computer and when she rebooted it boots through grub then at "starting up" the video goes dead and monitor gores to sleep.
[19:00] <brew1brew> so no one listening?
[19:02] <brew1brew> Wow, all these people logged in and not one idea?
[19:04] <urgen> hehe
[19:04] <urgen> it is a loosely monitored channel
[19:05] <James147> brew1brew: give us some time :) most of us have other things to do ... but have you tryed booting into recovery mode?
[19:05] <urgen> and if you use some other way to boot the vid and monitor are ok, right?
[19:05] <NewbieInLinux> hi all
[19:05] <urgen> so that may point to something like having accidentally selected a setting the card doesn't support
[19:06] <NewbieInLinux> but about that crash in Making user progress in install, it is in only 10.04.1, not in 10.04?
[19:06] <NewbieInLinux> I have 10.04 discs and 10.04.1 discs and 10.04.1 crashed in making user
[19:07] <James147> NewbieInLinux: if 10.04 works then use that... 10.04.1 is just 10.04 with more updates (so you have less to upgrade after you install)
[19:08] <NewbieInLinux> yeah i tried sometime that 10.04 and that doesnt crashed but when i tried 10.04.1 clean install and crashed
[19:08] <NewbieInLinux> and sorry for my bad english :S
[19:09] <James147> NewbieInLinux: then just install 10.04,
[19:09] <NewbieInLinux> ok
[19:09] <NewbieInLinux> but not today
[19:09] <NewbieInLinux> maybe tomorrow
[19:09] <NewbieInLinux> :P
[19:09] <FloodBotK1> NewbieInLinux: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:11] <brew1brew> Urgen, yes
[19:11] <brew1brew> it boots on the live CD
[19:11] <urgen> so not a hardware issue
[19:11] <urgen> something like it is being overdriven
[19:12] <urgen> needs a more gentle and polite setting
[19:12] <James147> brew1brew: what graphics card do you have?
[19:12] <brew1brew> It's an HP computer, my sister is remote. so I'm supporting her in the phone
[19:12] <NewbieInLinux> is my pc enough good to run KDE? In live cd it was little laggy
[19:12] <NewbieInLinux> ATI Radeon X1200 <-- is my graphics card
[19:13] <NewbieInLinux> damn i dont have money to better so i have to use this intergrated ****
[19:13] <brew1brew> but I found a post that indicated removeing quiet and splash, and adding nomodeset to grub
[19:13] <brew1brew> but I can't get grub to take the edits on boot
[19:13] <James147> brew1brew: hold shift during boot
[19:13] <James147> to get the grub menu
[19:14] <brew1brew> I can get into grub and edit it, but I can't get it to safe, or even boot once on that edit
[19:14] <brew1brew> that would be save
[19:14] <brew1brew> not safe
[19:15] <James147> brew1brew: there should a a key you hit to boot once you ahve finished editing, cant remember what it is, but grub should tell you
[19:15] <James147> brew1brew: also note that the changes you make to grub there are tempory, there is no way to save them
[19:15] <brew1brew> I hit esc to enter grub kernal select, then e to edit, but once in and removing lines an adding lines I can't get it to save or even boot it
[19:16] <brew1brew> James, I figured that, but I can't even get it to boot the changes once
[19:16] <James147> brew1brew: what version of kubuntu?
[19:16] <brew1brew> yes,  they key it says is b to boot, but that reboots and doesn't use the changes I made
[19:16] <brew1brew> we are both on 10.04.1
[19:16] <brew1brew> so should be on grub2
[19:18] <James147> brew1brew: says crtl+x to boot here :S on the edit window
[19:19] <brew1brew> so :S on the edit window?
[19:19] <James147> brew1brew: yeah, make the changes and boot from the edit window
[19:20] <brew1brew> ok, I'm going to go try it on my computer. brb
[19:26] <brew1brew> so were in grub to I need to be? when I'm in the edit screen, cntl x doesn't do anything, neather does :S
[19:26] <James147> brew1brew: what version of grub dose it say?
[19:26] <greg_> control "o" write out nano?
[19:33] <Nakkel> I have a freshly installed 10.04.1 and cant login. Accepts password and screen flashes and kicks me back to KDM login screen.
[19:34] <Nakkel> Any relevant logs I should check out?
[19:34] <James147> Nakkel: try stopping dkm and running "startx" from a vertual terminal, see if it tell you anything
[19:34] <James147> kdm ^^
[19:35] <brew1brew> ok, since it's 10.04.1, I assume it's grub2. so I figured out how to get to the grub mentu and manually load the kernel and boot it. so now I have to have my sister follow my instruction
[19:37] <Nakkel> James147: No visible errors and X/desktop starts fine.
[19:37] <Nakkel> Weird
[19:37] <James147> Nakkel: and you still having problems loggin ine through kdm?
[19:38] <Nakkel> Just restarted kdm to test that one...
[19:39] <Nakkel> Yep
[19:39] <adilalpman> hi all
[19:39] <Nakkel> Still kicks out immediately
[19:39] <adilalpman> i have a problem with my zte mf636 modem on kubuntu 10.04
[19:39] <adilalpman> can anybody help me or advice a document=
[19:39] <adilalpman> ?
[19:40] <James147> Nakkel: check to see if you own all the files/folder in you home directory (including the hidden ones)
[19:42] <adilalpman> i connect my modem to my kubuntu 10.04 via usb and now when i use query modem option in kppp it looks ok
[19:42] <pietjephuck> Maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but is it possible to read mouse events in a script from a second mouse as a non root user?
[19:43] <adilalpman> but when i try to connect it freeze after modem querying
[19:43] <adilalpman> can anybody help me
[19:43] <adilalpman> ?
[19:45] <adilalpman> i think
[19:45] <adilalpman> there is nobody can help me here
[19:45] <Nakkel> James147: used chown -R user:user to my userhome and still the same.
[19:46] <pietjephuck> adilalpman: can't help you
[19:46] <adilalpman> what can i do and hoe can i get help?
[19:46] <adilalpman> how can i get?
[19:47] <James147> adilalpman: if some one know the answer to your question they will answer, unfortinatlly it seems that no one listen atm knows the answer...
[19:47] <adilalpman> ok
[19:48] <James147> adilalpman: you could try browsing the forums, or ask your question again in about 1/2 an hour or so to see if there is anyone new that knows
[19:48] <adilalpman> ok james
[19:48] <adilalpman> thnx
[19:48] <adilalpman> (Y)
[19:50] <Nakkel> Ah there is a kdm.log, some ibus-daemon errors there.
[19:52] <James147> Nakkel: like Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.?  .. I get those with almost every kde application :)
[19:52] <James147> (and IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon )...
[19:53] <Nakkel> Yep, those. So not the culprit then.
[19:53] <James147> Nakkel: doupt it
[19:54] <James147> Nakkel: you could try asking on #kde see if they know more about it
[19:54] <Nakkel> Cant even google properly as no GUI to lauch browser. Maybe links/lynx could help.
[19:55] <contrast> Greets, everyone... I have my desktop (nVidia card w/ proprietary driver) hooked up to my monitor (HDMI) *and* television (component). in order for the TV to display at the proper resolution (1920x1080), I have to unplug the monitor from the desktop before X starts up. I'm guessing this could be solved by explicitly identifying each display device in my xorg.conf and stating the resolutions for each, but I'm not sure how to go about doing that. Could someone
[19:55] <contrast> please point me in the right direction?
[19:56] <James147> Nakkel: thourght that you can starx directly? :)
[19:57] <Nakkel> Agh, yes didnt remember that thx :D
[19:57] <James147> !xorg
[19:57] <James147> contrast: ^^
[19:59] <contrast> Thanks, James... Have you heard of the issue I'm having before?
[20:01] <James147> contrast: although with nvidia, it might be easier to use "kdesudo nvidia-settings"
[20:04] <contrast> I'm pretty sure I tried that a good while back, didn't really yield any results... Guess I could give it another go to see if it's been fixed.
[20:05] <contrast> Thanks again, James147
[20:16] <pietjephuck> Is it possible to read mouse events from a second mouse as a non root user?
[20:16] <pietjephuck> in a shell
[21:05] <vbgunz> I installed human-theme to try and make my GTK apps look better. Human theme looks awesome. The only thing bugging me atm is human-theme tabs take on a brownish color whereas everything else seems to be colored right. Anybody know how to fix this?
[21:06] <brew1brew>  James147: thanks for your help on grub, it turnted out that it was a problem with the last kernal update.
[21:07] <brew1brew> I was able to get her to boot into the previous kernal with no problems.
[21:11] <vbgunz> anybody know how to change the human-theme tab color? it's brown and the only color so far that doesn't stick with my color choice in KDE
[21:16] <vbgunz> is the human theme based on a theme that doesn't have brown tabs? I love the widgets but the brown tabs are not cool :(
[21:28] <fanti> hello! where do i find the graphics driver config in an recent kubuntu system? seems that i don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf anymore
[21:31] <AHemlocksLie> I'm trying to put Kubuntu on my laptop, but I'm having some issues
[21:31] <AHemlocksLie> it's a Dell Inspiron 1100
[21:32] <AHemlocksLie> I put the live ISO on my flash drive and booted to it
[21:32] <AHemlocksLie> everything goes great up through loading
[21:32] <AHemlocksLie> the hard drive icon, tools, desktop, big K (I assume for KDE) show up
[21:32] <AHemlocksLie> and once it finishes loading everything
[21:32] <AHemlocksLie> I get a black screen
[21:32] <AHemlocksLie> but my mouse still shows up
[21:32] <FloodBotK1> AHemlocksLie: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:34] <AHemlocksLie> I hit ctrl+alt+del, and the shutdown/logoff/reboot window pops up just fine, and I can use it. I hit shutdown, and the backgound pops back up, and there's a dialog box asking if I wanna stop some stuff for login. There's like 5 entries in the box, and they're all the same thing, something like "TTY: login" or something like that
[21:36] <AHemlocksLie> anyone have any ideas what the issue is and what I can do to fix it?
[21:37] <AHemlocksLie> are there seriously 276 other people here, all afk? xD
[22:10] <anirudha> hello guys
[22:11] <anirudha> my resolution is setup to 800x600 by default and set it up to 1024x768 in system settings. It reverts back to the 800x600 after every reboot. What should I do to fix it?
[22:12] <James147> !resolution | anirudha
[22:13] <Quaxir>  Does anyone have an idea what to do when Kubuntu won't let me into login screen, it jamms to that "Kubuntu" and few circles below it :S
[22:14] <James147> Quaxir: try running startx from a tty after stopping kdm, see if it tells you anything intresting
[22:15] <Quaxir> James147: Is recovery console any good as I can't get tty from normal boot screen?
[22:17] <James147> Quaxir: o sorry :) thourght you where getting stuck after the login screen... try removing the "quite slash" from the kernal permaters in grub
[22:17] <James147> splash ^^
[22:18] <Quaxir> James147: about that startx, interesting thingy what I see: "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[22:18] <Quaxir> but I'll check that grub out..
[22:20] <Quaxir> James147: now in grub, so all I should do is to remove "quiet splash" from linux-boot?
[22:20] <James147> Quaxir: yes
[22:22] <Quaxir> James147: erm, how to save my edits to grub as if I press ESC it's not saved :). or just "ctrl-x" to get it boot?
[22:23] <James147> Quaxir: just edit it and hit crtl+x
[22:23] <James147> Quaxir: editing it is only tempory, and will only affect that boot you cannot save it at that prompt
[22:24] <Quaxir> James147: ooke
[22:25] <Quaxir> James147: Soo, now I'm in tty2
[22:25] <James147> Quaxir: kdm did not start?
[22:25] <Quaxir> nope, and when I try "stop kde" it says: "stop: Unknown job: kde"
[22:26] <James147> Quaxir: try "sudo start kdm"
[22:27] <anirudha> how to generate the default xorg.conf
[22:27] <Quaxir> James147: oh, sry.. missread it.. it was kdm not kde :)
[22:27] <Quaxir> James147: but, "start: Job is already running: kdm"
[22:28] <James147> Quaxir: alt+ctrl+F7
[22:28] <James147> or F8
[22:30] <Quaxir> James147: With F7 it looks like it's trying to start up but nothing happens, last line is "* Checking battery state...    [OK]", which is kinda weird as it's not laptop o.O
[22:30] <James147> Quaxir: and F8?
[22:31] <James147> if not try "sudo restart kdm"
[22:31] <James147> from one of the ttys
[22:31] <Quaxir> James147: F8 does nothing
[22:32] <James147> Quaxir: alt+crtl+F8 :)
[22:32] <Quaxir> James147: Yeh, alt+ctrl+F8 does nothing :S
[22:32] <James147> Quaxir: then try restarting kdm
[22:34] <Quaxir> James147: First it goes back to that same screen (checking battery state etc.) and then back to tty2 with line: "kdm start/running, process 1858"
[22:35] <James147> Quaxir: hmm, "sudo stop kdm"  then try "startx" (not as root)
[22:38] <Quaxir> James147: stopping kdm seems to go fine, but startx doesn't. "Fatal server error: no screens found" and few lines below "xinit: No such file or directory (errno2): unable to connect to X server"
[22:38] <James147> :S
[22:39] <James147> Quaxir: what graphics card do you ahve?
[22:39] <Quaxir> James147: nvidia 295GTX
[22:39] <James147> Quaxir: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[22:41] <Quaxir> James147: Yes I do. Just wondering what an earth can cause sth like this as last time I booted from Kubuntu to Windows everything was fine and didn't even install anything on that boot :S
[22:42] <James147> Quaxir: try renaming that file and then run startx again
[22:42] <James147> (will cause X to auto detect the settings again)
[22:46] <Quaxir> James147: Now tty2 (where I ran startx after renaming xorg.conf) spams line "No protocol specified"
[22:46] <James147> Quaxir: anything on crtl+alt+F7-8 (or 9)?
[22:49] <Quaxir> James147: F7=battery checking screen, F8/F9=flickers "_", nothing else. Now in tty2 it gives up and last line: "xauth: /home/quaxir/.Xauthority not writeable, changes will be ignored"
[22:50] <James147> Quaxir: :D change the owner of that file to your user again (I am assuming its owned by root)
[22:50] <James147> Quaxir: although that dosnt explain why kdm didnt start :S
[22:51] <Quaxir> James147: hm, how I do that :D? (done it once for another folder, but don't remember command anymore)
[22:51] <James147> Quaxir: chown USER:USER FILE
[22:56] <Quaxir> James147: Out of ideas what's wrong =/?
[22:56] <James147> Quaxir: did that not work?
[22:57] <Quaxir> James147: Tried startx after chowning it and result was allmost same "No protocol specified"-spam and now instead of telling .Xauthority is not writeable it says "error in locking authority file /home/quaxir/.Xauthority"
[22:58] <James147> Quaxir: whats the output of "ls -lh ~/.Xauthority"?
[22:59] <Quaxir> James147: "-rw------- 1 quaxir quaxir 0 2010-09-20 00:04 /home/quaxir/.Xauthority"
[23:00] <James147> Quaxir: hmm, seems to be of size 0 :S  ... try renaming it
[23:01] <Quaxir> James147: and now startx?
[23:01] <James147> yeah
[23:03] <Quaxir> James147: yarr.. now I'm at my desktop. Resolution and screen settings are screwd however but I suppose it's because of renaming xorg.conf
[23:03] <James147> Quaxir: yeah, I would logout (should take you back to a tty) and see if sudo start kdm works
[23:04] <Quaxir> James147: ookey
[23:05] <Quaxir> James147: starting kdm takes me to login screen
[23:05] <James147> Quaxir: so all working then :)
[23:06] <James147> Quaxir: just need to run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" to recreate the xorg.conf then "kdesudo nvidia-settings" (from a desktop) to reset up the displays
[23:06] <James147> or you could try using the old xorg.conf, but I dont think that will work
[23:07] <Quaxir> James147: ookey.. I'll try using that old xorg.conf as I had pretty much troubles to get it working last time :S, you might remember :D
[23:10] <Quaxir> James147: seems that old xorg.conf doesn't work. So lets try with those you said
[23:11] <James147> Quaxir: didnt think it would :) that what was stopping kdm from starting in the first place, the .Xauthorty was just stopping you logging in
[23:27] <Quaxir> James147: Do you know how to fix this :D. When I move my "Desktop folder"-widget to 2nd screen and click FF to open it it opens to 2nd screen instead of main screen. Is there a way to make those open in main-screen?
[23:27] <thecdggseries> hi
[23:27] <thecdggseries> how to work tetterdeck
[23:27] <thecdggseries> ?
[23:27] <thecdggseries> twitterdeck
[23:28] <James147> Quaxir: there is, cant remeber exactly where, but windows open on the screen that currently has focus... I remember an option to change taht but cannot remember where it was...
[23:29] <James147> Quaxir: currently abusing it with focus follows mouse option :D windows open on the screen my mouse is on
[23:30] <Quaxir> James147: heh, but how you do that as when I click sth my mouse is in 2nd screen :D
[23:31] <James147> Quaxir: they open on the screen the mouse is in when the window is shown (so there is a small delay, enough to move my mouse).. played around with vaious options in system settings (and I think nvidia-settings) to get it to work that way :)
[23:32] <thecdggseries> hi anybody use twetterdeck?
[23:37] <Quaxir> James147: Should I use TwinView or that "Separate X screen"-option?
[23:38] <James147> Quaxir: I use twinview, seperate X screens causes problems with moving windows from one display to the other without xarama, but enabling that causing my computer to slow down horribally
[23:39] <Quaxir> James147: Ookey, I'll stick with TwinView then.
[23:39] <Quaxir> James147: Which font is optimal for linux-shell btw? in windows that Courier new works fine but in Kubuntu it looks veery blurry :S
[23:40] <James147> Quaxir: I am using the default in konsole "monospace"
[23:41] <Quaxir> James147: That works a bit better at least..
[23:43] <Quaxir> James147: What was that conky-replacement for Kubuntu? or just use conky in kubuntu aswell :S
[23:43] <James147> conky?
[23:45] <Quaxir> James147: little program that makes a box to the screen where it shows some system-info like CPU load, ram/network usage, free HDD-space etc
[23:45] <James147> Quaxir: I would just use widgets for that :)
[23:46] <James147> Quaxir: and either put them on the desktop or the dash board
[23:46] <Quaxir> James147: Yh, I was wondering that but no idea which widgets would do the job :D
[23:47] <Quaxir> James147: and ye it's on desktop.. not actually a window, but anyway :P
[23:48] <James147> Quaxir: The ones under the "System information" catogory, "Memory Status", "CPU Monotior"... :)
[23:48] <James147> they should be easy to find
[23:52] <Quaxir> James147: Any idea how to get rid of that "KDE wallet"-thingy :S, never really got what it is supposed to do in the first place..
[23:53] <James147> Quaxir: you can :) but then you have to remember every password for programs that use it :).... its essentally a program that stores your passwords for various programs (konqurer, knetworkmanager... and verious other programs use it)
[23:57] <Quaxir> James147: hmm.. I guess I keep it :)


[03:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:06] <ducasse> good morning
[07:13] <akem> Heya.
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> a nice new edited wiki by paulw2u https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, yes... lets promote anti-learning patterns by telling someone to do everything themselves... so they make assumptions about things that are wrong and believe everything is isolative
[14:35] <TJ-> what!?
[14:35] <TJ-> that is so wrong-headed
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> That is how I just interpreted your statement in main
[14:36] <TJ-> We have a new user who is self-investigating how the plumbing of commands works and needs additional pointers to narrow down their focus, that is to be supported and encouraged
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> aint we all struggling sometimes, looking for solutions ourselfs
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> That user also explained the professor is giving them a bunch of commands they don't understand... which is why I encouraged them to speak to the professor... the teacher may not realize that the class isn't as savvy about the stuff they're being taught... and then you go and contradict that statement
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> then we are glad theres a community closeby to help
[14:38] <TJ-> also, it's not a very welcoming response for a 1st timer to arrinve in #ubtunu and immediately be told to go somewhere else
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not going over that topic again
[14:39] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: no, I said its an opportunity for self-learning. This person can then share what they've learned with their cohort AND their professsor
[14:39] <TJ-> it's not either/or, its both
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but the user suggested himself to go look for another channel
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> That isn't how I perceived it, since the message was directed specifically at me, as if to correct what I said
[14:41] <TJ-> I said "also"
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> i think jaako skared him off a bit suggesting google
[14:41] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: indeed, and I gave them a couple of suggestions but then it appears they were talking about "apt update" so it'd be appropriate in #ubuntu
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> Linguiestically... prefixing a message with someone's name gives the message a tone that it's directed specifically at them. given the context of the entire converstation, I took that to imply it was corrective. Not placing my name in front of the comment, I would have perceived your also as constructive and additive
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: im not disputing your method in this case
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> just wanted to point pragmaticenigma didnt really told him to go look elsewhere?
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> I've butted heads on that topic before... yes, it's important to understand the nature of someone's problem before redirecting them. It's also important to recognize that the line of questioning is not appropriate for the channel, and the conversation should be moved to a more appropriate venue.
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> i also support dividing things in the right channels
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> but scripting issues on an ubuntu VM is allowed here right?
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> what do you mean lotuspsychje ?
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: i mean the case of ConfusedTranslat is allowed to support
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> I take no issue with confused seeking help understanding commands, i see it as being no different than a support question where we tell them to execute a command and they want to know what it means first
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> the difference is the suggestion of the command came from someone I must have on "ignore" ;-)


[00:40] <ain> hello
[01:00] <xubuntu25w> Hi. I recently installed Xubuntu alongside win 8.1 on my laptop and I'm having a problem to connect to the internet. Broadcom Linux STS driver is loading only in live session.
[08:22] <Lachezar_> Hey all. Upraded kernel to 3.19.0-31.35, and now my (Lenovo T530) laptop freezes on login screen, ALT-SYSRQ-REISUB does not help CTRL-ALT-F1 too, only a force-shutdown holding the power button does anything. I'm now booted in the previous version 3.19.0-30.34. Is this something known?
[12:00] <morf> it's fun how ppl ask question you know how to answer, but disappear before you notice it ;)
[16:59] <jilocasin0> afternoon all.
[17:01] <jilocasin0> Anyone know how Xubuntu deals with the hidpi built in display of a recent iMac?
[17:03] <xubuntu06w> People I need help. Do I need a new fresh formated partition to install xubuntu?
[17:03] <morf> nah the installer can erase the disk for you
[17:04] <morf> you can pick from few presets + you can setup the partitions during installation
[17:04] <xubuntu06w> I have data on both current partitions
[17:05] <xubuntu06w> I was just wondering if I could just install it on a used partition with my files and have them saved
[17:05] <morf> well...
[17:06] <morf> you can make space for a new partition from livecd
[17:06] <morf> or install to existing partition
[17:06] <morf> with supported filesystem i guess
[17:06] <morf> but pretty much all this sucks more or less
[17:07] <xubuntu06w> Well I'm just going to backup all the data and install on a empty partition
[17:07] <xubuntu06w> Thanks for help
[17:07] <xubuntu06w> :)
[17:07] <morf> yeah
[17:07] <morf> consider having disk for os and for data
[17:07] <morf> e.g. separate system and data
[17:07] <morf> it's much easier imho
[17:08] <morf> good luck
[17:08] <xubuntu06w> Yeah, you're right
[17:09] <xubuntu06w> I'm just installing linux on an old pc and keeping the current system
[17:09] <xubuntu06w> That was the problem
[17:33] <xubuntuMichael> I see wizards here.  Thanks for writing code, so I don't have to.
[21:03] <imthenachoman> hey guys. having an odd issue. fresh install of xubuntu 14.04 LTS. my machine doesn't seem to shut down. it gets stuck. screen goes black but then nothing. i've tried sudo shutdown now and the shutdown from whisper.
[21:15] <mrkramps> imthenachoman, all upgrades installed?
[21:15] <imthenachoman> mrkramps:
[21:15] <imthenachoman> yah. i am gonna see if i can turn all the startup shutdown splash screens off
[21:16] <mrkramps> imthenachoman, is this a dual boot setup?
[21:16] <imthenachoman> mrkramps: no
[21:17] <mrkramps> possibly acpi is not properly recognized
[21:17] <mrkramps> you may try to force acpi
[21:18] <imthenachoman> mrkramps: how?
[21:19] <mrkramps> edit /etc/default/grub
[21:19] <mrkramps> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=force"
[21:19] <mrkramps> sudo update-grub
[21:20] <imthenachoman> laf. i thought i had done all the updates. i guess not. its saying more upates. diong them now
[21:20] <imthenachoman> mrkramps: if this doesn't work i'll try that
[21:20] <imthenachoman> ty
[21:58] <IMTheNachoMan> hey guys. i just installed vino on a fresh install of xubuntu 14.04. when i check session and startup i see "gnome desktop sharing server" in the list. what vnc client is that?
[21:59] <mrkramps> IMTheNachoMan, actually this is vino
[21:59] <mrkramps> or are you looking for a viewer?
[21:59] <IMTheNachoMan> mrkramps, no, i want to set up the server
[22:00] <mrkramps> ok, then it is vino
[22:01] <IMTheNachoMan> oh
[22:01] <IMTheNachoMan> now to find a good client
[22:01] <mrkramps> try remmina
[22:02] <mrkramps> it is recommended
[22:05] <knome> mrkramps, yeah, you just recommended it ;)
[22:06] <knome> i personally use vinagre, and x11vnc for the server part, but that might not be what you want.
[22:07] <IMTheNachoMan> remmina doesn't seem to do zoom-in/out
[22:11] <IMTheNachoMan> yes, vinagre is nice
[22:11] <IMTheNachoMan> ty
[22:12] <IMTheNachoMan> thanks guys
[23:51] <Gurkenglas> Trying to autocomplete things in the terminal with tab produces badness sometimes: http://pastebin.com/r14g7JRV
[23:52] <Gurkenglas> It started when I did "sudo ./configure" in the Haskell GHC package I think? Possibly a lil before or after


[01:15] <skrappjaw> Cheri703: you lurking?
[01:15] <Cheri703> yuppers
[01:17] <skrappjaw> I plugged my no-ip account url into my browser on my phone... it brings up the webUI for my router. I can still connect via SSH to my pc that is on the wireless, but i'm not so sure i like my router open to the interwebs. Can I fix that?
[01:18] <canthus13> skrappjaw: log into your router and turn off remote access.
[01:18] <skrappjaw> ok.
[01:19] <skrappjaw> will that still allow being connected via wireless?
[01:21] <Unit193> Yep
[01:23] <skrappjaw> coolies. Did it. thanks Broskis
[01:24] <Cheri703> ok, sorry, was distracted
[01:24] <Cheri703> :/
[01:24] <Cheri703> my parents are here
[01:24] <Unit193> Cheri703: Good luck! ;)
[01:24] <Cheri703> heh, thanks
[01:25] <Cheri703> so far so good
[01:25] <Cheri703> got to ride my dad's recumbent trike for a bit :) planning to do so tomorrow as well
[01:26] <skrappjaw> sweet. Are you gonna get one of your own?
[01:41] <Cheri703> I'd like to
[01:41] <Cheri703> but I can't afford one at this point :(
[01:42] <skrappjaw> Awe. Save yo pennies. :)
[01:42] <Cheri703> yeah :/
[01:43] <Cheri703> my parents each have one of these: http://www.icetrikes.co/explore-our-trikes/adventure (they were 35th anniversary gifts to each other)
[01:43] <Cheri703> they're FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN
[01:44] <skrappjaw> koolies
[01:44] <skrappjaw> im thinkin about rooting my phone...
[01:44] <Cheri703> yeah?
[01:44] <skrappjaw> my Dx2 is taunting me. I have gingerbreak and a few tutorials on how to unroot if needed.
[01:45] <Cheri703> heh
[01:45] <skrappjaw> What did you root with?
[01:45] <dmcglone1> skrappjaw: bad thing is, the tutorials may not work
[01:45] <skrappjaw> and what phone are you using?
[01:46] <Cheri703> I followed whatever directions were on xda-dev forum
[01:46] <skrappjaw> ok. Thats one of the places i was surfing info on.
[01:46] <Cheri703> mine is a sprint hero
[01:46] <skrappjaw> I also have the latest 2.2.2 Froyo file and the tools for a complete flash to factory.
[01:47] <Unit193> canthus13: Don't you even think it...
[01:47] <dmcglone1> skrappjaw: what would be the benefit of rooting it?
[01:48] <skrappjaw> freeting or removing the bloatware. Programs i will never use that verizon installed.
[01:48] <Cheri703> wireless tether for root users!!
[01:48] <Cheri703> also superuser
[01:48] <skrappjaw> That too.
[01:48] <Cheri703> and adfree
[01:48] <Cheri703> and a bunch of other stuff
[01:49] <skrappjaw> Better memory allocation using the SD card.
[01:49] <skrappjaw> terminal access. ;)
[01:49] <canthus13> Unit193: Eh?
[01:49] <dmcglone1> I see.
[01:50] <dmcglone1> I got a crappy phone that isn't worth my time to root :-/
[01:50] <Unit193> canthus13: Dang you! You ruined my mind and you don't even remember why ;)
[01:51] <dmcglone1> Unit193: we all ruined your mind in some way or another.. ;-)
[01:51] <skrappjaw> I wonder if you can SSH back into the phone from pc...
[01:51] <skrappjaw> dunno what i would do with it but... it sounds cool.
[01:52] <dmcglone1> ssh into your phone and take pics of whoever stole it ;-)
[01:53] <skrappjaw> rawk!
[01:54] <skrappjaw> that would be awesome.  Could just have an app that pings when on WIFI. trackem via IP on the wifi.
[01:57] <dmcglone1> don't mention it's the phone, just make him think he's wanted, otherwise he'd dump the phone
[01:57] <dmcglone1> my phone has a mac
[01:57] <skrappjaw> No. Im just saying, use those bits to trackem in the process.
[01:58] <dmcglone1> would work I believe
[01:59] <skrappjaw> Kinda stupid to steal a phone that is so on the grid that you never know who is checkin you out.
[01:59] <skrappjaw> i keep my GPS off. Maybe i need an app that will turn it on via text in case I miss place it
[01:59] <dmcglone1> one thing about verizon, they  don't use sim cards
[02:00] <dmcglone1> so anyone trying to dump the sim couldn't
[02:01] <skrappjaw> dx2 doesnt have a sim?
[02:01] <dmcglone1> if it's not pre-paid
[02:01] <dmcglone1> verizon only uses sim's in pre-paid plans
[02:41]  * Cheri703 will probably be woken up EARLY tomorrow >.<
[02:43] <Unit193> Why? Parents like morning?
[02:49] <Cheri703> parents usually get up between 5 and 6am...and I have to sleep on the couch since my acid reflux has been acting up lately...woo front door 6 feet from my head :/
[02:52] <Cheri703> oh, in case the front door reference doesn't make sense: when they visit, they bring their camper and sleep in it in the driveway
[02:53] <Unit193> You *could* always keep them up with you ;)
[02:56] <Cheri703> nah
[03:08] <skellat> :-(
[03:10] <Unit193> Eh?
[03:11] <skellat> Just realized one of the cities here in Ashtabula County is on track to go broke mid-August
[03:11] <skellat> They'll be down to just $20k in their general fund at the very start of August as is.
[03:13] <skellat> Considering that one week's payroll is $90k...they'll be unable to pay their bills shortly
[03:15] <skellat> These are the tripwires that the city has to be careful to not cross: http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/118.03
[03:24] <skellat> Unit193: I doubt any community in the Mansfield area is looking at having no money on-hand in the next couple months
[03:25] <Unit193> I wouldn't think so. Galion had some real issues, but that was because of embezzlement
[03:28] <skellat> The situation in Ashtabula City is caused basically by a dysfunctional body of elected officials and an awfully high number of residents being on welfare and not paying taxes thereby
[03:30] <skellat> A pallet of OLPC units and appropriate education would make quite a difference in computer use, or the lack thereof, in the city
[03:43] <Unit193> Man am I glad I got a dyndns account when I did! Now you're stuck with crappy names...
[03:44] <Unit193> skellat: Is this the city you live in?
[03:45] <skellat> Just outside its border.  I live in Ashtabula Township, the unincorporated portion
[03:45] <skellat> I have to cross into it a lot
[03:46] <skellat> And they provide waste management & sewer service under contract for the trailer park I live in
[03:49] <skellat> Unit193: How do you most easily set up dyndns with a Netgear router?
[03:50] <Unit193> I don't :P
[03:50] <Unit193> You can use ddclient for linux if you have a box there
[03:50] <Unit193> If the router supports dd-wrt or tomato you should be in good shape. What router?
[03:51] <skellat> Hold on.  Let me go look.
[03:53] <skellat> WGR614
[03:59] <skellat> I gotta wander off to bed.
[04:00] <Unit193> Dang, I missed him... I got a little glass in my hand...
[04:01] <Unit193> Looks like it has one built in, if not, ddclient
[13:42] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[15:28] <_bbb> morning
[15:29] <_bbb> just picked up a WRT160LN
[15:29] <_bbb> 99 cents
[15:30] <_bbb> had a $75 amazon gift card =)
[16:20] <thafreak> Anyone see these new amd "APU's"?
[16:20] <thafreak> gpu and cpu combined in a single chip...
[16:21] <canthus13> Yep.  The i3 is one.
[16:21] <thafreak> do you know which gpu is in the i3?
[16:22] <thafreak> and is the i5 and i7 the same?
[16:22] <canthus13> some odd offshoot of the 4500 iirc.
[16:22] <canthus13> not sure.. I think some i5s are.
[16:26] <thafreak> interesting concept...not sure what I'd use them for...maybe to make lowend desktops cheaper...
[16:26] <thafreak> of course, I'm more of a fan of thin clients anyway.
[16:31] <canthus13> thafreak: That's pretty much it.
[16:45] <_bbb> netbooks
[16:45] <_bbb> and tablets
[16:46] <canthus13> _bbb: I'd have gotten the e2000 instead. they run about 70 bucks...
[16:47] <canthus13> if it's a 160N 3.0, it's worth it.. otherwise, it's memory starved.
[16:47] <_bbb> no usb port..
[16:48] <_bbb> i considered E2100L
[16:48] <_bbb> but this was cheaper
[16:48] <_bbb> and had external antennae
[16:49] <_bbb> WRT160LN and E2100L had similar specs
[16:50] <_bbb> newer has more ram
[16:50] <_bbb> E3000 would have worked but didnt want to spend that much
[16:51] <canthus13> Yeah... it's pretty expensive.
[19:16] <_bbb> i get my T60 today
[19:16] <_bbb> woot
[22:12] <Unit193> Cheri703: Is the Ubuntu News meeting called off?
[22:33] <canthus13> _bbb: Oh. the e2000 can have antennae added easily. just punch out the openings and connect the antenna leads.
[22:37] <_bbb> that sounds an awful lot like work
[22:37] <_bbb> just installed the natty
[22:39] <canthus13> _bbb: 10 minutes work. I'm gonna put +9db antennae on mine at some point.
[22:40] <canthus13> the real problem with the cd player-style routers is that they get really freaking hot.
[22:42] <_bbb> its that rock and roll music
[22:42] <_bbb> kids these days i tell you
[22:44] <canthus13> heh.
[23:25] <Unit193> jwb1275! Long time no see (If I can remember you :P )
[23:25] <Unit193> How is Akron?
[23:33] <jwb1275> Hi Unit193   It has been awhile.  Akron is great!
[23:37] <Unit193> jwb1275: I have some family there, do you still have Ubuntu hours?
[23:42] <jwb1275> I haven't been to one in awhile. There might be a few that are still going.
[23:45] <Unit193> Ah, I thought you were head... Anywho, what brings you to the lovly IRC today?
[23:45] <Unit193> lovely
[23:47] <jwb1275> I like to check in once and awhile.  I turned of ReLoCo lead to Doug Stanley.  I should check with him I'd like to start going to the Akron Ubuntu Hour again!
[23:48] <Unit193> TheErk?
[23:49] <jwb1275> No. I believe he goes by doug-stanley on irc
[23:53] <jwb1275> Unit192:  where in ohio are you?
[23:53] <jwb1275> Unit193:
[23:53] <Unit193> Oh, that's thafreak
[23:53] <Unit193> I'm around mansfield
[23:55] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~doug-stanley I'll have to ask him if he really is doing it (I  may have done so...) and update the wiki...


[00:42] <infinity> Is there a plan for a new kernel upload built against the latest binutils?
[00:42] <infinity> ogasawara: ^?
[00:45] <ogasawara> infinity: indeed we should, I'll prep an upload right now.
[00:45] <infinity> ogasawara: Thanks.  I was going to do a d-i upload, and then realised that would end up baking in the broken kernel, so figured I'd hold off. :P
[00:55] <ogasawara> infinity: I've got it ready to upload, I just want my quick test build to finish since it's got a single patch in it.  eta 10min.
[00:55] <infinity> ogasawara: Check.  Does that single patch cause an ABI bump too?
[00:56] <infinity> ogasawara: (Not that I mind if it does, just curious)
[00:56] <ogasawara> infinity: nope, it shouldn't
[00:56] <infinity> Kay, if it's not an ABI bump, care to skip the -proposed thing, and just upload straight to release?
[00:56] <infinity> Doesn't really buy us anything to artificially delay the fix if there won't be package skew or anything.
[00:56] <ogasawara> infinity: I can
[00:57] <infinity> Danke.
[00:58] <infinity> Of all the Leanns I know, you are definitely somewhere in the top ten.
[00:58] <infinity> *nod*
[01:04] <ogasawara> infinity: I demand to be #1!  screw the top 10.
[01:05] <infinity> There are so many inappropriate ways to read the second half of that.
[01:05] <infinity> Well, only one way, really.
[01:06] <infinity> But it's inappropriate, regardless.
[01:09] <ogasawara> infinity: ok, uploaded.
[01:09] <infinity> \o/
[01:11] <ogasawara> infinity: I'll try and keep an eye on it, but I'll be drinkin with the other managers too, so not sure how reliable I'll be
[01:12] <infinity> ogasawara: Meh, s'all good.  I'll poke it from time to time, and re-upload d-i laterish, or in the morning.
[01:12] <infinity> ogasawara: It can't actually be much more broken on x86 than it currently is, so not much to keep an eye on. :P
[01:12] <ogasawara> infinity: ack
[01:13] <infinity> ogasawara: Don't you enjoy that warm fuzzy feeling you get when the kernel has regressed so hard that you could upload emacs, call it linux, and it would still work just as well?
[01:13] <infinity> ogasawara: In other words, go drink.  And give my manager a hard time.
[01:14] <ogasawara> infinity: heh, will do :)
[11:36]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:05] <doko> rtg, I'm having difficulties to reproduce #1049650. even with the binutils that you did check with, I always see the same offset
[12:11] <doko> rtg, I'm having difficulties to reproduce #1049650. even with the binutils that you did check with, I always see the same offset
[12:11] <rtg> doko, the binutils you uploaded yesterday still has the problem.
[12:12] <doko> rtg, yes, however even using the <IP_ADDRESS>20816-2ubuntu1 one, which you do report success with, apparently has the problem. see the comment in the report
[12:12] <rtg> doko, getting there ....
[12:14] <doko> rtg: was the chroot you did use for testing up to date?
[12:14] <rtg> doko, well, that is odd.
[12:14] <rtg> doko, pretty much. lemme try again
[12:15] <doko> I was trying to provide some object files for the issue, but can't seem to build the correct ones
[12:29] <rtg> doko, up to date chroot:
[12:29] <rtg> rtg@salmon:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal$ readelf -s ./debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf|grep video_card
[12:29] <rtg>    147: 00002f3c     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  ABS video_cards
[12:29] <rtg>    148: 00003650     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  ABS video_cards_end
[12:30] <doko> rtg, with the old binutils?
[12:31] <rtg> (quantal-amd64)rtg@salmon:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal$ dpkg -l|grep binutils
[12:31] <rtg> ii  binutils                             <IP_ADDRESS>20913-1ubuntu1
[12:32] <rtg> doko, makes me wonder if the kernel ogasawara uploaded last night built correctly. guess I can check that out quick enough.
[12:33] <doko> rtg: yes, the amd64 build log shows the correct version
[12:34] <rtg> doko, correct, but did the kernel get linked correctly ? will it boot, etc.
[12:50] <rtg> doko, ogasawara: downloaded new kernel. seems to work.
[12:50] <rtg> lemme build on gomeisa again. its got a virgin chroot.
[12:51] <doko> I'm currently building on osageorange
[13:00] <doko> $ readelf -s debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf | grep video_cards
[13:00] <doko>    138: 00003660     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards
[13:00] <doko>    151: 00003660     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards_end
[13:00] <doko> this is what I get on osageorange
[13:00] <doko> rtg: ^^^
[13:00] <rtg> doko, I don't think thats gonna work too well
[13:02] <doko> rtg: which gcc-4.7 package did you use for the build on salmon?
[13:03] <rtg> doko, what is salmon? a buildd ? looks like the amd64 kernel built on allspice last night.
 (quantal-amd64)rtg@salmon:
[13:04] <rtg> doko, oh, it a local SandyBridge server that I have. duh. forgot.
[13:05] <rtg> doko (quantal-amd64)rtg@salmon:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal$ dpkg -l|grep gcc
[13:05] <rtg> ii  gcc                                  4:4.7.0-5ubuntu1                                          amd64        GNU C compiler
[13:05] <rtg> ii  gcc-4.7                              4.7.1-8ubuntu1                                            amd64        GNU C compiler
[13:05] <doko> strange
[13:06] <doko> rtg: I would like to understand why I get different results (osageorange non working), and the buildd (working, as you tested)
[13:06] <brendand> cking - is the mailing list for you and the other people working on fwts<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:06] <cking> brendand, try fwts-devel instead of fwts-team
[13:07] <rtg> doko, while the buildd kernel is working, the linker issue may be different on that machine. without being able to look at setup.elf we can't say for sure.
[13:07] <brendand> cking - is it private?
[13:07] <cking> nope
[13:07] <doko> rtg: maybe add a readelf -s to the build?
[13:08] <rtg> doko, yeah, perhaps. lemme mess with your chnistrap package again first.
[13:10] <doko> rtg: it's just odd that the buildd kernel works, while I still see the issue on osageorange
[13:11] <rtg> doko, we don't _know_ that the buildd kernel linked correctly. that fact that it works on my laptop is inconclusive.
[13:12] <doko> ahh, so how can we tell?
[13:12] <rtg> doko, lemme do a local sbuild with some debug. that shold be about as clkose to the buildds as I can get.
[13:13] <doko> rtg: after you did that, could you (with the same binutils version) rebuild with cpp-4.7 and gcc-4.7 4.7.1-7ubuntu1? I'm starting to think it's not a binutils issue after all
[13:15] <dantti> hi, is there someone I could poke to get this changed before Quantal? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1003090
[13:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1003090 in linux "Please enable HID_BATTERY_STRENGTH (on xorg-edgers and quantal kernel packages)" [Medium,Triaged]
[13:17] <doko> $ readelf -s debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf|grep video_cards
[13:17] <doko>    160: 000041a4     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards
[13:17] <doko>    173: 000041f8     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards_end
[13:17] <rtg> doko, so that looks right. different gcc-4.7 ?
[13:18] <doko> rtg: -7ubuntu1
[13:19] <rtg> doko, so you're thinking -8ubuntu1 might be broken ?
[13:20] <doko> rtg: yes, and not binutils. maybe you did test with the old compiler yesterday?
[13:20] <rtg> doko: dunno,
[13:22] <rtg> doko, so, the archive reaper has already cleaned out -7ubuntu1. Do you have those packages stashed somewhere ?
[13:23] <doko> rtg: you can get the older ones by the publishing history
[13:23] <rtg> doko, ah, thats good to know
[13:25] <rtg> doko, egads, there are a lot of .deb files there. Is there a handy way to install the ones I need ?
[13:25] <hallyn> stgraber: looking at the "Release Meeting 2012-09-14" email, I don't see the netns bug in the "Summary of bugs working on by team".  Do you have the bug# handy?
[13:26] <doko> rtg: you only need cpp-4.7 and gcc-4.7. install using dpkg --force-depends
[13:27] <rtg> doko, ok, gimme a bit.
 doko: from quick look at the kernel, I'd say the kernel is buggy
[13:32] <stgraber> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1021471
[13:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1021471 in linux "clone() hang when creating new network namespace (dmesg show unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2)" [High,Triaged]
 doko: I'd say used attribute is a must in the #define __videocard struct card_info __attribute__((section(".videocards")))
 doko: because when it declares static __videocard var = { ... }; then the compiler has all rights to just nuke those as unused
[13:32] <doko> rtg: ^^^
[13:37] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks
[13:38] <hallyn> ogasawara: ^ bug 1021471 wasn't on the list of quantal bugs the kernel team is looking at?
[13:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1021471 in linux "clone() hang when creating new network namespace (dmesg show unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021471
[13:39] <ogasawara> hallyn: that should have been on the list, I seemed to have missed getting it on there
[13:39] <ogasawara> hallyn: and it should be getting worked by cooloney
[13:40] <hallyn> ogasawara: phew :)  thanks
[13:40] <rtg> doko, ack
[13:45] <rtg> doko, this seems to be somewhat random. I just built with binutils <IP_ADDRESS>20913-1ubuntu1, cpp-4.7  4.7.1-8ubuntu1, and gcc-4.7 4.7.1-8ubuntu1.
[13:45] <rtg> readelf -s /home/rtg/ukb/quantal/amd64/master-next/ubuntu-quantal/debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf|grep video_card
[13:45] <rtg>    147: 00002f3b     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  ABS video_cards
[13:45] <rtg>    148: 00003650     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  ABS video_cards_end
[13:46] <rtg> lemme try an sbuild
[13:48] <doko> strange
[13:48] <doko> rtg: and wondering why the Ndx column sometimes has ABS, sometimes 12
[13:59] <ppisati> seems like i'm finally back...
[13:59] <cking> welcome back ppisati
[14:01] <ppisati> :)
[14:02] <doko> rtg: adding the used attributes on osageorange:
[14:02] <doko> $ readelf -s debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf | grep video_cards
[14:02] <doko>    159: 000041a8     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards
[14:02] <doko>    172: 000041fc     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards_end
[14:05] <rtg> doko, I'm wondering why video_cards is treated special in the kernel ? how are you applying the used attribute ?
[14:07] <doko> --- arch/x86/boot/video.h.orig  2012-09-14 14:06:49.005979707 +0000
[14:07] <doko> +++ arch/x86/boot/video.h       2012-09-14 13:43:47.116013331 +0000
[14:07] <doko> @@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
[14:07] <doko>         u16 xmode_n;            /* Size of unprobed mode range */
[14:07] <doko>  };
[14:07] <doko>
[14:07] <doko> -#define __videocard struct card_info __attribute__((section(".videocards")))
[14:07] <doko> +#define __videocard struct card_info __attribute__((used, section(".videocards")))
[14:07] <doko>  extern struct card_info video_cards[], video_cards_end[];
[14:07] <doko>
[14:07] <doko>  int mode_defined(u16 mode);    /* video.c */
[14:08] <sforshee> doko, your readelf output still doesn't really look right, that array should be bigger
[14:09] <rtg> it should be 3650-2f3b
[14:11] <doko> sforshee, maybe, however I'm trying to reproduce the values which rtg does get. currently I can't
[14:11] <jsalisbury> rtg, cjwatson took a look at bug 1047092 and re-assigned to linux-firmware.  Looks like a packaging fix is needed?  Anyone specific you think I should ping about this?
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047092 in linux-firmware "Mini.iso doesn't load wireless drivers" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047092
[14:11]  * ppisati is shuffling cables around...
[14:15] <rtg> doko, ogasawara: my sbuild produced an empty video_cards section, which is also likely what happened on the buildd
[14:16] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: I'm prepping a patch for that bug right now
[14:16] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, cool, thanks
[14:16] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: rather I have the patch, just kicking off a test build to confirm the fw shows up in the udeb
[14:16] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, ok
[14:17] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: I've told cjwatson on ubuntu-devel I'll upload shortly
[14:18] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, ahh, I see that now :-)
[14:19] <rtg> ogasawara, you're also adding zd1201 as well ?
[14:19] <ogasawara> rtg: I did
[14:20] <ogasawara> rtg: added zd1201.fw and zd1211/*
 readelf -s /home/rtg/ukb/quantal/amd64/master-next/ubuntu-quantal/debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf|grep video_card
    147: 00002f3b     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  ABS video_cards
    148: 00003650     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  ABS video_cards_end
[14:20] <rtg> doko, that looks right. is that with the 'used' attribute ?
[14:21] <doko> rtg: could you tar up the boot dir for this build and put it somewhere? it also would be good to get the preprocessed source files for this dir
[14:21] <rtg> oh, nm. I pasted that.
[14:21] <doko> right
[14:22] <rtg> doko, what is the boot dir for a build ?
[14:23] <rtg> doko, do you mean the full build directory ?
[14:25] <doko> rtg: debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/  *.o and setup.elf
[14:31] <sforshee> doko, actually looking closer I think your output looks correct and rtg's is too big. There should be 3 card_info structs linked in the section, and they aren't all that big.
[14:34] <rtg> sforshee, hmm, I never thought to check the size. if what you're saying is true, then what fills the 715H in my case ?
[14:34] <sforshee> rtg, no idea
[14:35] <sforshee> rtg, doko's section is 84 bytes, or 28 bytes per struct, which is about right if pointers and ints are 32 bits
[14:35] <rtg> sforshee, this is amd64
[14:35] <sforshee> rtg, right, that's the only part that doesn't make sense
[14:36] <sforshee> rtg, but that still wouldn't account for that much of a difference
[14:36] <doko> rtg: this code is built with -m32
[14:36] <sforshee> rtg, and I get the same results in an amd64 chroot
[14:37] <rtg> doko, hmm, so we add 'used' to the attribute definition and call it good ?
[14:38] <doko> for the kernel, maybe. however I would like to followup upstream. currently I can't get the .o file built by hand. maybe I'm missing something
[14:38] <sforshee> rtg, I think it makes sense to add __used to the definition of __videocard. Otherwise the variable does look unused within the file.
[14:40] <doko> sforshee, rtg: if I look at the verbose build log, then this vesa-mode.o is built with -o arch/x86/boot/.tmp_video-vesa.o however I can nowhere see where it's moved to the final name/place
[14:40] <doko> and: $ gcc -m32 -c -Os -march=i386 -mregparm=3 -fno-strict-aliasing -fomit-frame-pointer -ffreestanding -fno-toplevel-reorder -fno-stack-protector video-vesa.i
[14:40] <doko> $ nm video-vesa.o         U boot_params
[14:40] <doko> 00000000 T vesa_store_edid
[14:40] <doko> 00000000 b vginfo
[14:41] <doko> what am I missing?
[14:41] <rtg> doko, chinstrap.canonical.com:~rtg/boot.tgz
[14:42] <sforshee> doko, scripts/Makefile.build does the move to the final name
[14:43] <sforshee> doko, see cmd_modversions
[14:43] <doko> sforshee, what I'm looking for is a video-vesa.i, and the command to build the video-vesa.o
[14:48] <doko> sforshee, hmm, even in verbose mode, parts of rule_cc_o_c are hidden :-/
[14:50] <sforshee> doko, yep
[14:50] <doko> sforshee, could you help with this?
[14:50] <sforshee> doko, sure, what do you need?
[14:51] <doko> a video-vesa.i, and the command to build the video-vesa.o
[14:51] <doko> because I get something different with the commands I did paste
[14:51] <arges> cking, hey
[14:51] <cking> arges, hiya
[14:55] <doko> sforshee, hmm, I'm missing the ld -r call maybe
[15:02] <doko> rtg, I'm surprised that it works with your tarball, because:
[15:02] <doko> $ nm video-vesa.o
[15:02] <doko>          U boot_params
[15:02] <doko> 00000000 T vesa_store_edid
[15:02] <doko> 00000000 b vginfo
[15:07] <rtg> sforshee, doko: I'm inclined to upload with this 'used' attribute patch so we can get a working kernel in the archive.
[15:08] <doko> rtg, I can't say that adding the attribute would be wrong
[15:08] <sforshee> rtg, I think we send it upstream as well, because to me it just looks correct
[15:08] <rtg> sforshee, doko: agreed
[15:09] <doko> after the kernel is built, I'd like to revert the binutils change, after testing that I get the same result with the used attribute
[15:10] <sforshee> doko, are you actually seeing the command to build video-vesa.i in your verbose build?
[15:10] <doko> sforshee, yes, I saved that and added -save-temps
[15:13] <sforshee> doko, I'm not seeing it. I thought it was just a debugging feature anyway.
[15:13] <doko> sforshee, so we now have three section sizes. 0 without the used attribute, 84 with the attribute, and rtg's even bigger one. however the bigger one is only seen by rtg, correct?
[15:13] <sforshee> doko, I've never seen the bigger one
[15:14] <rtg> doko, as far as I know that is correct.
[15:14] <doko> sforshee, I set KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 in the env
[15:14] <sforshee> doko, I have that too, just not seeing any .i files generated when I run build-generic
[15:15] <doko> sforshee, you have to explicitly add -save-temps
[15:15] <sforshee> doko, ack
[15:19] <rtg> hmm, grub 2.0 sure looks different.
[15:23] <doko> rtg, am I needed for the grub issue too? ;)
[15:23] <rtg> doko, no, I was just noticing menu differences.
[15:24] <sforshee> doko, in my experimentation .tmp_video-vesa.o doesn't have the __ksymtab section, so I think it just gets renamed to video-vesa.o
[15:24] <doko> ahh, ok
[15:37] <doko> sforshee, rtg: was -fno-toplevel-reorder recently added to build this file?
[15:39] <rtg> doko,  no change to scripts/Makefile.build since Jan 24
[15:40] <doko> because with gcc-4.6 -fno-toplevel-reorder, the symbol is emitted, but not with gcc-4.7. but I don't see a behaviour change on the branch
[15:40] <sforshee> doko, that option has been in arch/x86/boot/Makefile since at least 3.3
[15:42] <sforshee> doko, is what you're looking for how you can generate video-vesa.i? Because I'm not getting one even with -save-temps.
[15:44] <doko> sforshee, well, let's stop with it for now.
[15:44] <sforshee> doko, okay
[15:46] <rtg> doko, ogasawara, sforshee: Uploading linux_3.5.0-14.18_source.changes: done.
[15:46] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[15:48] <doko> ahh, and at least 4.7.0 -fno-toplevel-reorder had this symbol emitted too. so this did change on the branch
[15:54] <rtg> doko, so that option was removed in 4.7.1 ? The description says, "When this option is used, unreferenced static variables are not removed."
[15:56] <doko> rtg: no, actually this might be the root cause.
[15:58] <doko> and it works in gcc-snapshot. so I'll have to look when this did change. I see the same behaviour in Debian, so it's not caused by any Linaro change
[16:04] <kirkland> cking: hey!  is there an easy way to tell if my i7 has the rdrand instruction?
[16:04] <kirkland> cking: anything in /proc/cpuinfo or the like?
[16:05] <kirkland> cking: I'm guessing "not", as I tried to run your rdrand test, and I got :-)  Illegal instruction (core dumped)
[16:05] <kirkland> cking: http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2012/08/simple-performance-test-of-rdrand.html fwiw
[16:09] <cking> kirkland, see http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-digital-random-number-generator-drng-software-implementation-guide - rdrand_check_support()
[16:19] <cking> kirkland, or grep "rdrand" in /proc/cpuinfi ;-)
[16:19] <cking> * /proc/cpuinfo
[16:42] <cking> kirkland, I've updated the code to test rdrand CPU features.
[16:43] <cking> oops, nope, failed
[16:45]  * ppisati -> gym workout
[16:46] <cking> kirkland, fixed now
[16:49] <rtg> doko, when you have figured out root cause, please add your explanation to bug #1049650 for _why_ 'used' is a required attribute so that when I punt this patch upstream I can point to something factual.
[16:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049650 in linux "Regression: "Undefined video mode" with 3.5.0-14.16" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049650
[16:56] <kirkland> cking: neat, thanks
[17:08] <dileks> checking for video_cards... so this is good? http://nopaste.snit.ch/166160
[17:09]  * cking spots a jump in page hits on the blog
[17:30]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:30] <dileks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049650/comments/4
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049650 in linux "Regression: "Undefined video mode" with 3.5.0-14.16" [Medium,Fix released]
[17:30] <dileks> ok, than precise gcc-4.6 is not affected
[17:58]  * cking --> EOD
[18:13]  * henrix -> EOD
[18:57] <infinity> rtg: You seem to have left some debug code in your kernel upload that broke !x86.
[18:58] <rtg> infinity, damn, I didn't think about that.
[18:58] <infinity> +$(build_cd) readelf -s `find . -name setup.elf` | grep video_card
[18:58] <infinity> At the very least, I didn't check the rest of the diff.
[18:58] <infinity> But it chokes there, for obvious reasons.
[18:58] <rtg> infinity, I left there on purpose so we could see the section sizes, but they won't exists for !x6
[18:59] <rtg> infinity, ok, I'll fix and re-upload
[18:59] <infinity> Danke.
[19:02]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:24] <rtg> infinity, ogasawara: Uploading linux_3.5.0-14.19.dsc: done. (sigh)
[20:25] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[20:27] <rtg> ogasawara, I'm not gonna bother with the LTS upload until there is a substantive change
[20:27] <infinity> rtg: Thanks.
[20:27] <ogasawara> rtg: yah, sounds good
[20:29]  * rtg drifts away for the weekend...
[21:46] <geofft> Is there a recommended way to recompile a single kernel module with different Kconfig options?
[21:47] <geofft> preferably without recompiling the entire kernel?
[21:47] <geofft> I'm trying to make sense of debian/rules.d but not having much luck :)
[22:35] <geofft> Looks like you can play some dirty tricks that start with `fakeroot debian/rules config-prepare-check-generic`
[22:35] <geofft> I'd be happier if I somehow got a .deb out of this process, but I do have the .ko I want.


[02:21] <axw> wallyworld: vsphere got a bit broken during the provisioner changes. I'm going to update common.Bootstrap to do the zone selection
[02:22] <axw> might leave the other providers alone for now, just aim to get this fixed for beta2
[02:22] <wallyworld> yikes, ok
[02:22] <wallyworld> sgtm
[06:02] <axw_> wallyworld: I connected to VPN so not sure you saw this: wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8007 fixes the vsphere issue, do you have time to review?
[06:03] <wallyworld> axw_: oh awesome, tyvm, lloking in a sec
[06:06] <axw_> veebers: I've got a fix ^ for the vsphere issue that balloons mentioned, but braixen is still buggered. if you bootstrap with "--to zone=aron.internal", you'll get a "Connection refused" error. I have no idea where that's coming form, or how to debug that - do you?
[06:35] <jam> axw: I looked at it as well
[06:36] <jam> balloons: veebers: the bot has repeatedly tried to run my patches, and seems to be starting, but failing to comment when the merge fails
[06:36] <axw> jam: thanks
[06:36] <axw> wallyworld: and thanks
[06:36] <wallyworld> np, thanks for fixing
[06:36] <jam> veebers: : ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-merge-juju/437/console is one of those cases
[06:40] <wallyworld> jam: the point of moving to a single az param to start instance is to get that selection logic out of the providers
[06:41] <wallyworld> it's been moved up to eg the provisioner
[06:41] <wallyworld> by the time start instance is called, we will have selected a single az
[06:41] <jam> wallyworld: storage and networking both have a heavy impact on az selection
[06:41] <jam> wallyworld: which means all you're really doing is changing *which* function on the provider selects the az
[06:42] <wallyworld> they do; i'd have to read the code to refresh my memory
[06:44] <wallyworld> jam: i see axw is responding to your pr comments, so i'll defer to those save having same conversation in 2 places
[06:44] <axw> jam wallyworld: the provisioner (and with this PR, bootstrap) first consult the provider via DeriveAvailabilityZone. if the provider says it doesn't care, then we iterate over the zones.
[06:44] <axw> jam: DeriveAvailabilityZone does things like returning a zone based on placement, or based on the volume attachments, spaces, etc.
[06:45] <wallyworld> right, the provider still gets to filter out unsuitable zones
[06:45] <jam> axw: does it also account for the subnet= provisioning that we have for AWS (which was quite well received, and we'd like to extend to other providers)
[06:45] <jam> axw: I'm not 100% sure why DeriveAZ is better than just StartInstance
[06:45] <axw> jam: AFAIK that's unchanged
[06:46] <axw> jam: in two words: provisioner parallelisation
[06:46] <jam> axw: subnet= *also* impacts zone
[06:46] <axw> jam: yep, that code is unchanged. Derive... will still pull out the zone from subnet=
[06:47] <jam> axw: how does this impact parallel provisioning at all?
[06:47] <jam> you still need to do a derive for every instance, right?
[06:47] <jam> whether it is done inside or outside the StartInstance call
[06:48] <axw> jam: derivation isn't the problem, automatic spreading is
[06:48] <axw> distribution groups
[06:48] <jam> axw: because the one doesn't exist yet, it doesn't bias us from not using it?
[06:49] <jam> axw: my biggest concern is that Derive only returns 1 entry
[06:49] <jam> which seems very much wrong
[06:49] <jam> a space might span multiple zones and you want spreading, or it may not
[06:49] <jam> if we want to switch StartInstance to only allow 1 that's fine
[06:49] <jam> but Derive can certainly return multiple possibilities
[06:50] <axw> jam: like I said in the PR, what's there satisfies today's needs. we can easily change it as needed
[06:52] <axw> jam: FWIW I did originally advocate for it returning multiple, I just didn't recall subnet= when I was talked down :)
[06:53] <axw> jam: on an entirely different topic, I just ran a couple of tests upgrading from an older version of 2.3-beta2 (698a34c22f2176a6de8cd24c5ea4aa5b11637069) to tip of develop, and it works
[06:53] <axw> jam: the second time the upgrade took a while, which might be related to the errors - but it did eventually upgrade
[06:53] <jam> wow, just saw NEWS entry that there was a van attack in NYC today
[06:54] <jam> axw: k. it might have been in progress, was mostly concerned about a 2.2 to a 2.3 being an issue
[06:54] <axw> oh crap :(
[06:57] <jam> axw: can I talk you back up? :)
[06:57] <jam> axw: does Derive take the Placement directives (it seems like it must)
[07:04] <axw> jam: yes it does
[07:04] <axw> jam: I'm happy for it to change, but not in this PR
[07:04] <veebers> jam: ack, seems it'll be an error in the check script. I'll fix that up first thing in my morn
[07:05] <veebers> sorry about that :-\
[08:19] <axw> wallyworld: http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-merge-juju/440/console <- error in remote relation firewaller test, FYI in case there's a real issue
[08:19] <wallyworld> ta, will look
[08:28] <wallyworld> axw: i have a recollection of seeing that failure ages ago but not since. i'll see if i can repro locally
[08:29] <axw> okey dokey
[10:17] <jam> balloons: bug #1729248 I went to investigate test suite failures merging code into develop
[10:17] <mup> Bug #1729248: ProvisionerSuite.TestProvisionerStopRetryingIfDying fails intermittently <intermittent-failure> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1729248>
[10:17] <jam> however, the stack trace that it is giving appears to be *2.2* code
[10:18] <jam> though even there, the numbers don't line up
[10:19] <jam> I can't say for sure, but the string it says is on the line that failed "stop(c, p)" was removed in 2.3 and only exists in the 2.2 codebase
[10:23] <jam> now, that line *does* seem to exist in the branch from Anastasia, but it *shouldn't* exist after merging into develop
[10:24] <jam> is it possible that there is something wrong with the build that it isn't properly merging into develop/pulling source code from the original branch rather than the merged result?
[10:25] <jam> axw: I have a concern about the merge bot, are you around possibly to discuss?
[10:30] <axw> jam: I'm here but my wife and kids just got home. I can spare a couple of minutes before I head down
[10:31] <axw> jam: that when did you see that error? I think I fixed it as a drive by in my PR
[10:31] <axw> jam: and my PR also removed "stop(c, p)" :)
[10:31] <axw> so I think that explains that
[10:34] <axw> jam: linked in the bug, gtg - have a good day
[11:11] <jam> axw: have a good day. The issue is less about the test failing randomly, and more that the bot seems to be running the test suite against the PR code *rather* than against the merged PR + Develop code
[11:12] <jam> though maybe you're code landed right in-between run 1 and run 2 ?
[11:12] <jam> could be
[11:13] <balloons> Something weird going on?
[11:14] <jam> balloons: we've had an intermittent test, and I went to reproduce it, but couldn't get my source tree to line up with the failure lines reported in the merge request
[11:14] <jam> balloons: but I think I've sorted it out
[11:15] <balloons> axw, thanks for fixing the vsphere issue, though as you've noted, I still don't know why the DC and vcenter refuse to talk to each other
[11:15] <jam> Anastasia tried to merge against version X, which failed with intermittent failure. Andrew merged his code which fixed that in passing, then Anastasia landed her code, which now didn't have the failure ethire
[11:23] <anastasiamac> jam: balloons: thnx for figuring this out \o/
[11:23] <jam> anastasiamac: well, it seems to be mostly axw doing a driveby fix
[11:24] <anastasiamac> axw: \o/ (i rescind all previous \o/ on the subject then)
[11:24] <jam> :,(
[11:24] <jam> :)
[11:25] <anastasiamac> jam: but thank you for looking in my absence
[11:27] <balloons> I just asked a question :-)
[11:28] <anastasiamac> balloons: and a valid question it was!
[13:01] <ryebot> I'm trying to bootstrap a controller with strict egress restrictions. I've set up an apt mirror and bootstrapped using it with --config apt-mirror=<my mirror>, however I'm still seeing apt operations fail because they're trying to access security.ubuntu.com. Is there a way to make them point at my apt mirror, or otherwise avoid this issue?
[14:05] <jam> axw: so, i just created a controller running 500 applications, each with 3 units to test out the leadership code
[14:05] <jam> axw: when doing an upgrade, it spins *hard* on corrupt lease document
[14:05] <jam> axw: and while doing that, it actually ends up running out of open file handles
[15:08] <jam> axw: looks like your changes to leases might account for a 100:70 improvement (whether you want to call that down 30% or 100/70 = 40% improvement or whatever). But getting away from a shared clock document is a pretty big win.
[21:33] <wallyworld_> balloons: veebers: we having release call?
[22:45] <axw> jam: bugger. I'm still looking for a way to fix that. thanks for testing - the improvement sounds nice though, thanks for testing


[09:28] <maxb> Is something weird happening? The PGP Release signature for oneiric-partner is BAD
[09:33] <maxb> ok, what?! I get different content in Release.gpg depending on whether it is downloaded using Apt or (curl,wget)
[09:34] <cjwatson> lp_archive@cocoplum:~$ gpg --verify /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-partner/dists/oneiric/Release.gpg /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-partner/dists/oneiric/Release
[09:34] <cjwatson> gpg: Signature made Sat Oct 22 09:19:06 2011 UTC using DSA key ID 437D05B5
[09:34] <cjwatson> gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:34] <cjwatson> transparent proxy that's cached Release and Release.gpg differently, perhaps
[09:35] <cjwatson> wget -O /dev/null --no-cache on both sometimes helps
[09:35] <cjwatson> (cf. bug 804252)
[09:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 804252 in launchpad "Please support InRelease files (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804252
[09:39] <maxb> cjwatson: I think sadalbari is serving an out of date copy of Release.gpg
[09:39] <maxb> scandium's seems OK
[09:46] <maxb> Yup, all is well once I override archive.canonical.com in my /etc/hosts to talk to scandium only
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> lamont, can you kill https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/8.0~b4+build1-0ubuntu1/+build/2865778 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/8.0~b3+build1-0ubuntu1/+build/2860254 ?
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> i didn't realize the armel builds had gone the same way as powerpc too....
[18:48] <slangasek> huh, syncpackage fails for me with a 404 error from packages.d.o
[18:48] <slangasek> that's new
[18:49] <bdrung> slangasek: file a bug report :)
[18:49] <slangasek> yes
[18:52] <slangasek> bug #880051
[18:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 880051 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "syncpackage crashed with AttributeError in copy(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880051
[18:55] <bdrung> slangasek: that's fixed in trunk
[18:55] <slangasek> is it a bug in syncpackage, or just bad error reporting of a packages.d.o problem?
[18:56] <bdrung> slangasek: bug in syncpackage that it crashes, when it can't get the changelog from packages.d.o
[18:57] <slangasek> ok - if it didn't crash the operation should complete successfully?
[18:57] <slangasek> or does it need the changelog to DTRT?
[18:57] <slangasek> my line of questioning is leading up to asking whether this will be SRUed :)
[19:00]  * slangasek wonders what to do with pulseaudio-utils for multiarch
[19:01] <slangasek> ia32-libs wants libpulsedsp... but is the mechanism used to load this multiarch safe anyway?
[19:01] <slangasek> should we be setting LD_PRELOAD=libpulsedsp.so, to be architecture neutral
[19:02] <slangasek> ah, padsp already does that
[19:02] <slangasek> safe enough then
[19:04] <bdrung> slangasek: it doesn't need the changelog. it just pulls it to promt it to the user (for confirmation).
[19:04] <slangasek> sounds SRU worthy to me, then
[19:06] <bdrung> yes, tumbleweed: ^
[20:54] <tumbleweed> bdrung: agreed. Why are we having so many SRUs in the last month. Or we doing something wrong?
[20:54] <tumbleweed> (re ubuntu-dev-tools)
[20:55] <tumbleweed> bdrung: clear the current SRU first
[20:56] <bdrung> tumbleweed: ok, i'll clear oneiric, and you the others?
[20:57]  * tumbleweed prepared them all, but if nobody else will verify them, I will
[21:02] <bdrung> tumbleweed: oneiric is already verified
[21:03] <tumbleweed> bdrung: there's another SRU in progress too
[21:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: but the current one is verified
[21:20] <maxb> cjwatson: It looks like the two nodes that comprise archive.canonical.com may be rather out of sync
[21:20] <maxb> maxb@chimaera:~$ curl --silent --header "Pragma: no-cache" --header "Host: archive.canonical.com" http://scandium.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/Release | grep ^Date
[21:20] <maxb> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011  9:19:05 UTC
[21:20] <maxb> maxb@chimaera:~$ curl --silent --header "Pragma: no-cache" --header "Host: archive.canonical.com" http://sadalbari.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/Release | grep ^Date
[21:20] <maxb> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:32:27 UTC
[21:24] <cjwatson> I can't do anything about that myself, but I've passed it on
[21:25] <maxb> thanks
[21:58]  * slangasek fills the new queue with multiarch packages


[00:02] <doctormo> pleia2: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Free-Culture-Poster-167583075 <- your thoughts?
[00:04]  * pleia2 has a look
[00:05] <pleia2> doctormo: did you see my docbook example of the beginning of your commandline course?
[00:05] <doctormo> pleia2: Way back when
[00:05] <pleia2> I posted one a few days ago
[00:06] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/ul/clb/
[00:07] <pleia2> re: your poster: "shared resources which every member of the community is able to..." I think "the community" may throw people off, would it be appropriate to use something which sounds more inclusive of everyone-in-the-world?
[00:10] <pleia2> I also might reword the last section "require you to give back your modifications" to something that sounds less like you're giving stuff away, and more like you're contributing, helping
[00:12] <pleia2> doctormo: otherwise, looks great :)
[00:13] <doctormo> pleia2: docbook examples looks great.
[00:15] <pleia2> doctormo: it's not easy though :) still trying out some tools for generating the html and pdfs, and we may need to write some custom sheets (we may not always want to say "chapter 1" etc, these are automatically generated)
[00:15] <pleia2> so far it sounds like -manual is going the docbook way though
[00:22] <doctormo> Interesting
[00:22] <doctormo> They've decided to ditch LaTeX?
[00:22] <pleia2> well, they've been reviewing other formats
[00:22] <pleia2> they like latex a lot and it worked well, but it wasn't really a traditional documentation format
[00:23] <pleia2> so maybe at the end of the review they'll go back to latex, but on list they were happy with the docbook options
[00:55] <doctormo> pleia2: "To protect our worldwide community most FOSS licenses impliment share-alike rules where you give back your modifications so the software can improve for everyone."
[00:55] <pleia2> doctormo: I love it :)
[00:55] <doctormo> :-) thanks to you that modification.