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[13:17] <sil2100> o/
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[15:05] <njin> hello, what do you think about bug 668926 ?
[15:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 668926 in ubuntu "can't resolve domain names starting with a dash (minus sign) (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668926
[15:05] <paultag> njin: as far as bugs go, pretty awesome
[15:06] <paultag> njin: has all the key elements -- making fun of tumblr, citing spec and marking the bug invalid. Tis a good day.
[15:08] <njin> paultag, thanks
[15:08] <paultag> njin: sure thing. I don't see that being fixed, since what they're asking breaks rfc
[15:08] <paultag> sorry :)
[15:10] <stgraber> bind or whatever name server they're using for their domain shouldn't even allow that to start with
[15:11]  * penguin42 wonders if that stuff changed with the internationalised domain name rfcs
[15:11] <stgraber> and I'd think a lot of recursive DNS servers probably consider that invalid
[15:11] <paultag> stgraber: aye
[15:11] <stgraber> penguin42: nope, internationalised domain name still start with alpha
[15:11] <stgraber> penguin42: x-XXXXXXXX.blah.com means it's UTF-8 with XXXXXXXX being whatever encoding they're using for that
[15:12] <penguin42> paultag/stgraber: OK, except for one problem - obviously their DNS server does allow it, and everything in between there and the testers does allow it, and windows and mac allows it
[15:12] <stgraber> the actual storage in the DNS zones still respect the good old RFCs
[15:12] <paultag> penguin42: who cares? :)
[15:12] <penguin42> paultag: The user who can't access his site on Linux
[15:12] <paultag> penguin42: just because they have a broken system does not mean we have to taint our code
[15:12] <paultag> penguin42: so? Sounds like an issue with tublr
[15:13] <paultag> tumblr, rather
[15:13] <paultag> it's like saying "Windows does it" as a reason to drop POSIX standard
[15:13]  * penguin42 doesn't personally have a problem with being more permissive than the standard
[15:14] <paultag> he could add an /etc/hosts entry, I'm sure
[15:14] <paultag> I'm farily sure those can be invalid
[15:17]  * penguin42 bets you can have fun with scripts that pass domain names with -'s passing options to things
[15:25] <xteejx> Hey peeps long time no see!
[15:26] <penguin42> hey
[15:27] <xteejx> I did "pbuilder-dist oneiric creatre" and then "pbuilder-dist oneiric update" but keep getting E: failed to extract /home/teej/pbuilder/oneiric-base.tgz to /var/cache/pbuilder/build//18825 ...is this a bug or me messing up?
[15:27] <xteejx> penguin42: Hey :)
[15:28] <xteejx> btw I did create not creatre :P
[15:28] <penguin42> there was a broken pbuilder bug the other day
[15:28] <penguin42> not sure if it's still around
[15:29] <xteejx> hmmm, have looked on LP but cant find anything, probably wrong keywords
[15:30] <penguin42> I think it ended up being a debootstrap issue
[15:31] <xteejx> ahhh that could make sense :)


[03:32] <mpontillo> jac_: is the 'vlan' package installed? any errors in the syslog or dmesg?
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1581727 changed: [2.0b5] Document that we need to configure postgres allows connections from external hosts <doc> <maasgh> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581727>
[09:58] <cnf> has anyone configured their maas controller as a NAT gateway?
[12:29] <allenap> Hi. Does anyone know where or if the docs from the MAAS source are published these days? The docs at https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/ are new, written by the docs team, and I have no complaints about them, but the from-source docs have a lot of other information in them, especially around how to develop MAAS itself.
[13:12] <pmatulis> hi allenap, we're working on making the Dev docs part of docs.u.c
[13:14] <allenap> pmatulis: Tip top, thanks. In the meantime are they available only via a checkout of the source?
[13:28] <Flint> Good afternoon/morning everyone!
[13:29] <Elm0> ok, is there anyone here?
[13:30] <Elm0> I need some help with Windows images if anyone already worked with.
[13:33] <cnf> not I
[13:45] <pmatulis> allenap, yep
[13:46] <allenap> Ta.
[13:55] <Elm0> I mean, is a "classic" image build for windows (the way we build it on Openstack with packer) is suppose to work?
[14:04] <Elm0> no one?
[14:13] <cnf> Elm0: it is PXE booted
[14:13] <cnf> i have no experience with pxe booting windows installers
[14:19] <mup> Bug #1685807 opened: MaaS does not discover storage devices on Lenovo System x3650 M5 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685807>
[14:20] <Elm0> cnf: I want to build a windows Image to provide to maas, but I don't want to use cloudbase.it tool as I already have a working pipeline using packer which build Windows images for Openstack
[14:21] <cnf> Elm0: you want to live boot windows? not install it?
[14:21] <cnf> ie, it lives in ram?
[14:22] <mup> Bug #1685807 changed: MaaS does not discover storage devices on Lenovo System x3650 M5 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685807>
[14:22] <Elm0> nop, I want like with any linux, maas to be used as the PXE images provider.
[14:22] <cnf> Elm0: "like with any linux", maas boots into an _installer_
[14:22] <cnf> Elm0: which then installs a distribution to disk
[14:23] <Elm0> cnf: yes, that is that kind of information that I need ^^ thx
[14:23] <cnf> np
[14:23] <cnf> i have no idea how to pxe boot a windows installer, though
[14:24] <Elm0> using windows PE
[14:24] <Elm0> with a unattend installer
[14:24] <Elm0> file
[14:25] <mup> Bug #1685807 opened: MaaS does not discover storage devices on Lenovo System x3650 M5 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685807>
[14:25] <cnf> i'd like to figure out how to install ESXi with MaaS :P
[14:26] <Elm0> cnf: Another question that's stuck running in my head is, how the maas µos is launching the install of a virtual HDD using the cloudbase.it tool which launch a VM then create and install a windows and then upload the resulting virtual HDD
[14:26] <Elm0> cnf: me too ^^ I'll need to boot ESXi nodes at some point eventually :D
[14:28] <Elm0> cnf: BOOM!! http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-committers/maas/trunk/view/head:/src/provisioningserver/boot/windows.py
[14:40] <cnf> let me know if it works :P
[14:47] <Elm0> cnf: I'm out from this week until the middle of may, so, I'll update you then.
[15:36] <vasey> hey folks, i'm getting a "did not find any datasource" error when my hosts complete PXE booting into ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS...any idea what the issue is? the hosts are successfully getting DHCP addresses and booting, but the cloud-init fails because of this datasource issue
[15:40] <Elm0> vasey: I had this error if my rackd server is on a different subnet than my regiond.
[15:46] <vasey> elm0: hmmm, i've got everything on the same subnet for now, and i know everything can ping everything else
[16:23] <xygnal> mpontillo: was there a way to up log level in maas?  I am not finding errors or tracebacks that indicate a problem.  trying to get more information out of it.
[16:24] <mpontillo> xygnal: if there is a traceback, it will be in /var/log/maas inside regiond.log or rackd.log. what's the issue?
[16:34] <mup> Bug #1683542 opened: After configuing Ubuntu Core system still displays subiquity wizard <cloud-init:Won't Fix> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683542>
[16:34] <mup> Bug #1685835 opened: MAAS doesn't ignore pre-composed node remote storage if InitiatorIQN is non-empty <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <MAAS RSD :Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685835>
[16:40] <mup> Bug #1683542 changed: After configuing Ubuntu Core system still displays subiquity wizard <cloud-init:Won't Fix> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683542>
[16:40] <mup> Bug #1685835 changed: MAAS doesn't ignore pre-composed node remote storage if InitiatorIQN is non-empty <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <MAAS RSD :Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685835>
[16:48] <xygnal> mpontillo: yes we were talking about this last week.  Comissions work, but deployments end up on temporary dhcp scope instead of auto-assign, and the UI goes to 'unmanaged'.
[16:49] <xygnal> mpontillo: I have plenty of tracebacks, 99% sure none of them will tell you anything
[16:49] <mup> Bug #1683542 opened: After configuing Ubuntu Core system still displays subiquity wizard <cloud-init:Won't Fix> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683542>
[16:49] <mup> Bug #1685835 opened: MAAS doesn't ignore pre-composed node remote storage if InitiatorIQN is non-empty <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <MAAS RSD :Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685835>
[16:50] <vasey> mpontillo: me again, since my hosts and MAAS are on the same subnet and can all ping each other, what do you think would cause my "could not find any datasource" error?
[17:06] <xander> exit
[17:34] <mpontillo> vasey: the first thing I always check is the MAAS URL; the MAAS region might report an IP address to the nodes that is off-subnet or otherwise unreachable.
[17:34] <mpontillo> vasey: https://gist.github.com/mpontillo/6ee4c96d8aed4d0efde66a37aa6d5af9 << I wrote this last week to test things out, if you run it on the MAAS region it will connect to localhost and show you the default URLs presented to machines
[17:35] <mpontillo> vasey: if you run it with a parameter, it will try to reach the MAAS server at that IP address/hostname.
[17:35] <vasey> mpontillo: thanks! i'll give that a shot
[18:14] <vasey> mpontillo: i'm getting a "(" unexpected error on line 5; doesn't look wrong to me though
[18:16] <mpontillo> vasey: curl https://gist.githubusercontent.com/mpontillo/6ee4c96d8aed4d0efde66a37aa6d5af9/raw/dbc72aca7f6f056c773f4dad146547576e61c06b/test-maas-enlistment.sh > test-enlistment && chmod +x test-enlistment
[18:16] <mpontillo> ^ that results in a working script for me
[18:19] <mpontillo> xygnal: right, so I think I figured out where it goes to unmanaged; what I don't know is why. you might be able to force a traceback by modifying the code in that location, to get us more info
[18:25] <mpontillo> xygnal: per https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1685306, if you were to edit /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/maasserver/models/signals/interfaces.py and change the code (where it deletes all the links except DISCOVERED links) to do something like "raise ValueError()" on that line, that should provide a traceback that will at least tell us more about how we
[18:25] <mpontillo> got into that situation
[18:26] <vasey> mpontillo: for the "found metadata URL", it's pointing to an IP that i don't have set up; is that the trouble spot?
[18:26] <vasey> mpontillo: the cloud-config-url is correct
[18:28] <mpontillo> vasey: that's usually the problem. I would run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow maas-rack-controller" and make sure the URL configured on the rack is the one that you want to communicate with from the deployed nodes
[18:29] <mpontillo> vasey: the one subtle thing here is that MAAS may try to infer which URL to provide based on the source IP, so the most accurate way to run that script would be from a host on the same subnet as the MAAS rack
[18:34] <vasey> mpontillo: so i ran the dpkg-reconfigure, then retested the enlistment, and the correct IP/URL shows up everywhere until right after END GRUB CONFIG. then it shows a different IP that i did not set, and which doesn't represent a real system in my network
[18:36] <mpontillo> vasey: that's strange; what address is it showing?
[18:36] <vasey> mpontillo: it's showing <IP_ADDRESS>, when it should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:38] <roaksoax> 14:26 < vasey> mpontillo: for the "found metadata URL", it's pointing to an IP that i don't have set up; is that the trouble spot?
[18:38] <mpontillo> vasey: can you pastebin the output for me? and the output of "sudo maas-rack support-dump --networking"? if it contains sensitive info you can email it to me or send me a PM to a secret gist on github
[18:38] <roaksoax> mpontillo: ^^
[18:38] <roaksoax> cloud-init tries to contact other stuff
[18:38] <roaksoax> other ip addresses
[18:39] <roaksoax> if it cannot contact the metadata
[18:39] <roaksoax> that could be what's going on there
[18:39] <mpontillo> roaksoax: yeah but this is MAAS itself reporting a weird URL per my diagnostic script
[18:39] <mpontillo> roaksoax: I was thinking that too, just don't know why MAAS would report an incorrect IP at that point; that means it was found in the PXE config
[18:40] <roaksoax> mpontillo: that could be the case if rackd.conf points to localhost for maas url
[18:40] <mpontillo> roaksoax: yeah, that's why I said to check that first ;-)
[18:41] <vasey> mpontillo: https://pastebin.com/hHL8UJ5g here's the script output first
[18:42] <vasey> mpontillo: https://pastebin.com/a5z0KKRC and here's the networking output
[18:42] <roaksoax> vasey: pastebin /etc/maas/rackd.conf
[18:43] <mpontillo> vasey: I would check /etc/maas/regiond.conf and see if the .201 IP address is in there; if so, fix it and do "service maas-regiond restart"
[18:44] <vasey> roaksoax: https://pastebin.com/CjdVBiPw
[18:44] <mpontillo> vasey: is it possible that when MAAS was first set up the machine was using DHCP and had a different IP?
[18:44] <vasey> mpontillo: that's the one! :)))
[18:44] <roaksoax> vasey: restart maas-regiond && maas-rackd
[18:45] <roaksoax> that will fix it
[18:48] <vasey> mpontillo: and i think the system did originally have a DHCP-provided address, that makes a lot of sense
[19:07] <mup> Bug #1685891 opened: [2.2] Allow pod syncing to fail for pre-existing or manual composed machines bad physical storage. <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <MAAS RSD :In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685891>
[19:52] <mup> Bug #1685904 opened: Remote Drive's CapacityGiB should be greater or equal to Master Drive's CapacityGiB <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <MAAS RSD :Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685904>
[20:22] <mup> Bug # changed: 1376483, 1381129, 1433012, 1533822, 1555759, 1616417, 1635061, 1657471, 1661203, 1671517, 1672220, 1672735, 1674148, 1675915, 1675919, 1676167, 1676882, 1676962, 1677336, 1677933, 1677936, 1678323, 1679431, 1680277, 1680278, 1680876, 1681378, 1681379, 1681383, 1681386, 1681387,
[20:22] <mup> 1681389, 1681399, 1681757, 1681856, 1682099, 1682139, 1682152, 1682255, 1682290
[22:34] <mup> Bug #1685952 opened: trusty with vlan reboot hang: ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth1 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685952>
[23:10] <mup> Bug #1685955 opened: RSD nodes don't power off after commissioning <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <MAAS RSD :Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685955>


[00:16] <canin> Anyone know a list of officially supported ARM computers?
[08:11] <discopig> hi
[18:38] <q0_0p> Hi
[18:39] <q0_0p> Unable to download Ubuntu for nexus 7
[18:39] <q0_0p> Is it still supported?
[18:40] <q0_0p> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/
[18:40] <q0_0p> Not working
[18:40] <Tassadar_> q0_0p: you can get the images from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/13.04/release/
[18:41] <q0_0p> Ah good to know
[18:41] <q0_0p> Tassadar_: thank you


 I get kitchens
[03:55] <diddledan> and apparently I'm a very desirable man
[03:56] <ali1234> what i want to know is do they really think anyone who would actually pay attention to spam is either smart enough or patient enough to fix all the deliberate errors they introduced to get past the URL filter?
[03:57] <diddledan> ali1234: I read an opinion that it's the idiots that are too dumb to realise there's any errors that they're targeting
[03:58] <ali1234> but if they don't realise there's an error, how will they ever get to the website?
[03:58] <diddledan> well now, that's the question, isn't it
[03:59] <shauno> I wish it would rain :(
[04:00] <diddledan> shauno: did you leave Ireland?!
[04:00] <shauno> I know!
[04:01] <shauno> I'm used to it washing the drunks off the street by now.  but 5am and still no rain.  what the hell
[04:02] <diddledan> do you have a build-up of drunks you need got rid of?
[04:03] <shauno> lol, yes
[08:45] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[08:50] <directhex> is it? :(
[08:51] <brobostigon> is it what?
[12:27] <Laney> no it's not
[12:33]  * popey puts a 4-bar heater under Colin_brrrrr
[12:33]  * popey plugs it into Laney's leccy.
[12:34] <Laney> it's alright, mine comes out of the lamp post anyway
[12:34] <popey> \o/
[12:36] <Laney> off to rubberneck http://www.nottinghampost.com/Residents-shock-aftermath-blaze-20m-University/story-22920732-detail/story.html
[12:36] <popey> yikes
[12:37] <Laney> 2 minutes that way ↑
[12:37] <Laney> walking
[12:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:10] <popey> yo czajkowski
[13:35] <czajkowski> folks may be interested in following this, this weekend https://geekli.st/hackathon/53acdd6d414544f30d5027eb
[15:10] <mapps> yay back
[15:10] <mapps> got nbanned because i left squid open
[15:10] <mapps> heh
[15:11] <Myrtti> "don't do that"
[15:11] <mapps> yea
[15:11] <mapps> :D
[15:11] <mapps> i was just messing about and left squid runnong on the pi
[15:11] <mapps> with dansguardian
[15:12] <Myrtti> mapps: I take that #151093 can be closed then?
[15:13] <Myrtti> Just a friendly notice to everyone who hasn't noticed it from elsewhere, change your nickserv passwords.
[15:14] <mapps> ja
[15:14] <mapps> how did you know Myrtti  staff here?
[15:14] <Myrtti> yup
[15:14] <mapps> ;]
[15:14] <mapps> hopefully now my pi will connect to my wifi automatically
[15:15] <mapps> wont be able to do anything else
[15:15] <mapps> gonna use it for watching iplayer and using betfair ;]
[15:16] <czajkowski> popey: you got an utopic machine there bby any chance
[15:16] <czajkowski> popey: does flash player work on it
[15:17] <popey> czajkowski: which browser?
[15:18] <czajkowski> popey: chromium
[15:18] <popey> i dont have that installed.. lemme see
[15:18] <czajkowski> popey: when i get directed to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?no_redirect  I download and install
[15:19] <czajkowski> but then software center pops up and says There isn’t a software package called “adobe-flashplugin” in your current software sources.
[15:19] <popey> its flashplugin-installer
[15:19] <popey> install that?
[15:20] <czajkowski> flashplugin-installer is already the newest version.
[15:20] <czajkowski> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[15:21] <popey> dunno then, i use chrome which has flash built in
[15:25] <czajkowski> popey: cheers
[15:27] <ahayzen> czajkowski, try pepperflashplugin-nonfree? see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[15:27] <popey> yeah, good call
[15:33] <czajkowski> whooo that worked
[15:33] <czajkowski> thank you both
[17:10] <penguin42> http://cakeageddon.com/  too far from Letshworth
[18:02] <brobostigon> new dr who ep on bbc1 at 7:30pm.
[18:03] <daftykins> pff ;)
[18:03] <brobostigon> :)
[20:03] <mapps> anyone around?
[20:05]  * penguin42 yawns
[20:05] <mapps> ;]
[20:05] <mapps> got apache2 on my raspberry pi but i cant see where the doc root is set?
[20:05] <mapps> cant see it mentioned in apache2.conf (/etc/apache2/)
[20:06] <penguin42> normally somewhere under /var/www isn't it?
[20:07] <mapps> the doc root is /var/www yea
[20:07] <mapps> i just wanted to change it
[20:08] <daftykins> why?
[20:08] <daftykins> just use it ;)
[20:08] <mapps> just habbit i guess
[20:08] <mapps> ok:P
[20:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l96yt6nj4kkfk2m/IMG_20140913_205432.jpg?dl=0
[20:09] <mapps> nxt question then ..ive got openvpn running on there all works fine..how could i create a script to automate adding clients like with just 1 parameter like client name..when u do ./build-key-pass it needs you to press enter etc ..i could use expect i thought?
[20:09] <penguin42> mapps: Do you have an /etc/apache2/conf.d or /etc/apache2/sites-available ?
[20:10] <mapps> yea both
[20:10] <penguin42> mapps: And do you have an entry in sites-available ?
[20:11] <mapps> ah yes
[20:11] <mapps> default
[20:11] <mapps> thanks:)
[20:11] <penguin42> np
[20:11] <ali1234> what's a good webstats analyser? not webalizer or awstats
[20:12] <ali1234> something that understands wordpress would be good
[20:12] <mapps> hm thats annoying..when i load the link to a .ovpn (open von client config file) in safari on iuphone it just views the file as text
[20:12] <mapps> wanted it to open it with openvpn connect
[20:15] <Myrtti> ali1234: I've heard lot said about piwik
[20:15] <Myrtti> not tried it myself though
[20:15] <ali1234> well it certainly looks nice and modern. will check it, thanks


[01:09] <hannah> Hi
[01:10] <hannah> *Greetings
[06:40] <viewer|22011> hi to everybody
[06:41] <viewer|22011> I try to read some discussion but I didn't find the solution
[06:44] <viewer|22011> I've a regular Netflix account and kubuntu installed in my HTPC. I used it with Chrome or Firefox, both browsers don't permit to play in Full he and Dolby digital
[06:45] <viewer|22011> someone has same problem ?
 Good day everyone! Hope you had a wonderful holiday weekend
 Quick question if anyone's up, how can I update the system installer on a Kubuntu 16.04.3 live usb?
 It seems the "update this installer" link is broken
[10:10] <user|10413> Good Morning, although i modified bios, kunbutu doesn´t boot from usb. Thank you for an answer
[10:10] <kustodian> is there anyone else who lose pulseaudio after updating to 17.10?
[10:40] <frenda> My current Desktop: KDE Plasma | I am using 'Longman' dictionary within GoldenDict application, but examples are not shown! They were fine in Unity!!! https://u.teknik.io/1IqwV.png
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:21] <aversario> hm, I see no swap partition on my disc, why isn't there zero in KSysGuard -> http://picpaste.com/41ffd3ae0ccf0a3ffdf1b32ae2a85533.jpeg
[16:23] <aversario> PartitionManager -> http://picpaste.com/b26acfd8f675a79dfbb2cb5175a532b7.jpeg
[18:03] <TBotNik> All: What is the best channel for MySQL support?
[19:54] <TBotNik> All: Having and install issue and need to look in apt-cache. Where is that?
[19:55] <TBotNik> All: On Kubuntu 14.04 LTS
[19:56] <TBotNik> All: One suggestion is to install apt-cache-ng.  Not sure what that is and what it will get me over the normal apt-cache?
[20:39] <valorie> TBotNik: apt-cache is just a tool for looking at what is available
[20:39] <valorie> !info apt-cache-ng
[20:39] <valorie> https://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/
[20:43] <JackFrost> !info apt-cacher-ng
[20:49] <valorie> pfff, thanks JackFrost
[20:49] <JackFrost> Sure thing, valorie!
[20:50] <valorie> hello audio people, I got new bluetooth earbuds for Christmas
[20:51] <valorie> got them paired with my phone np, got them paired with my laptop, but i can't seem to hear any sound
[20:52] <valorie> I can hear the stream on the laptop (played on Falkon) but nothing goes to the buds although the settings in AudioVolume seem to be correct
[20:53] <valorie> Pulseaudio Volume Control
[20:53] <JackFrost> I'm not entirely sure in kubuntu, but otherwise padevchooser can be useful.
[20:53] <JackFrost> !info padevchooser
[20:54] <JackFrost> Oh right, it was removed.  It's the other one that one has to use now.
[20:55] <JackFrost> !info pasystray
[20:55] <JackFrost> !info pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
[20:55] <valorie> ah, maybe I lack that
[20:56] <valorie> installed, apt-cache policy tells me
[21:00] <valorie> weird, everything including that systray gizmo shows it's working
[21:00] <valorie> but I hear nothing
[21:01] <valorie> even tried turning it off and on again!
[21:02] <JackFrost> For that, one would select the audio output to the bluetooth one.
[21:03] <kcroot> Hello
[21:04] <kcroot> how i shouldt properly install Huawei E39 on latest LTS?
[21:05] <kcroot> I find ndis drivers but for 12
[21:05] <kcroot> and use custom kernel
[21:25] <joswi> kde
[21:26] <joswi> Uptime: 7 hours and 10 minutes
[21:27] <joswi> Uptime: 7 hours and 11 minutes
[21:28] <valorie> JackFrost: yea, it is selected and all tools show it's playing
[21:28] <valorie> maybe I should check alsatools just to cover all the bases
[23:40] <floown> Hello
[23:41] <floown> When I lauch Kontact, I can not delete entry in Akregator part. If I launch Akregator without Kontact, I can. I have purge Kontact, and purge Akregator. Reinstall the two component, but the problem is the same. What can I do?
[23:42] <valorie> floown: that's really odd
[23:42] <valorie> I guess I would suggest #kontact in euro-working hours
[23:43] <floown> Ok, nice idea


[02:37] <guiverc> GunnarHj's listed observations look really useful; I wonder if the chinese detail belongs on discourse (topic covered on https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-add-chinese-pinyin-input/2107/2  but it differs to wxl's answer... I don't know enough to be helpful/assess usefulness though.. I'd have said thank you to GunnarHj but was too slow to look at it.. Swedish observations maybe need work? or is it limittion in calamares?
 The calamares thing surprises me. The installer should install hunspell -$locale Like everyone else though I don't have enough experience to be useful. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> GunnarHj's listed observations look really useful; I wonder if the chinese detail belongs on discourse (topic covered on https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-add-chinese-pinyin-input/2107/2  but it differs to wxl's answer... I don't know enough to be h
[03:09] <guiverc> thanks @kc2bez .... yeah @Leokolb tests the secondary language (on checklist https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ for as long as we have it), but no issues on one language cannot predict no issues on others..
 Will run a check .. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> thanks @kc2bez .... yeah @Leokolb tests the secondary language (on checklist https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/release-team/testing-checklist/ for as long as we have it), but no issues on one language cannot predict no issues on others..)
 Calamares installer in Icelandic good @kc2bez @guiverc - but after reboot - no Icelandic language - regional options,keyboard also english - no translations of menus etc-
 Will file a bug @kc2bez (what package is best?)
[04:23] <guiverc> thanks @Leokolb
 Redid the install check for 2 language - @kc2bez @guiverc - all good this time after reboot - will run better a few tests in the am
[04:32] <guiverc> there is no hurry @Leokolb, but thank you very much !  (greatly appreciated, esp. by those of us/me? that struggle with just a single language)
 I agree and I am in a similar position regarding language skills 😏 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> there is no hurry @Leokolb, but thank you very much !  (greatly appreciated, esp. by those of us/me? that struggle with just a single language))
 I know there is no hurry but will check 2 languages and report back in a short while (re @kc2bez: I agree and I am in a similar position regarding language skills 😏)
 Tested Jammy Lubuntu Icelandic and french installs -@kc2bez @guiverc Calamares good  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/26H6YqGTCt/plain/
[10:16] <guiverc> thank you again @Leokolb, greatly appreciated !!!
[18:33] <GunnarHj> Since there was some discussion this morning as a result of my post yesterday, I elaborated on the nature of my failure here:
[18:33] <GunnarHj> https://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/lubuntu-language-support-test.txt
 Thanks @GunnarHj (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <GunnarHj> Since there was some discussion this morning as a result of my post yesterday, I elaborated on the nature of my failure here:)


[08:47] <Unit193> Right, so tried the nice importer script, but xfconf balks at gsettings commands giving these errors https://paste.unit193.net/?66346b3acc074b94#KmdZpooBcCh5Wz2gBreUwgJ0fADUSfBtw4kFfH2eHO0=
[09:34] <bluesabre> Unit193, suppose we can file a bug report to xfconf and see if we can improve it there
[09:35] <bluesabre> ochosi, we use feh these days in ubiquity since it's basically fail-proof
[09:35] <Unit193> So yeah, config migration script is a bust. :/
[09:36] <bluesabre> :(
[10:38] <Unit193> cyphermox: I don't suppose you're still the ubiquity guy?
[11:53] <cyphermox> Unit193: I can still do ubiquity stuff, what's up?
[13:38] <knome> bluesabre, i have a wallpaper draft that i can likely make "final" today, are you around at some time before UI freeze to do the upload?
[13:41] <knome> bluesabre, bbabl, you have a PM
[20:29] <Unit193> cyphermox: Was just wondering about https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/364282 before time runs out.
[20:34] <cyphermox> Unit193: thanks for reminding me
[20:35] <cyphermox> nice!
[20:35] <cyphermox> xnox will be happy
[20:36] <Unit193> Thanks!
[20:36] <knome> Unit193, hullooo!
[20:37] <Unit193> Howdy, knome.
[20:37] <knome> (:
[20:38] <Spass> hi, I strongly suggest including "fonts-noto-color-emoji" by default, IMHO a modern distro should have that included, even if many won't use it, it's nice to be able to see what others send (monochrome icons are really small and mostly unreadable)
[20:38] <knome> Spass, we had a discussion about this and iirc, most of the team thought color emojis were meh ;)
[20:38] <Spass> before - https://ibb.co/St0FhLt and after - https://ibb.co/2czvb2r
[20:40] <Spass> oh ok, thanks knome, too bad
[20:40] <cyphermox> since I'm here, might as well ask
[20:41] <cyphermox> or not, it's not really relevant
[20:43] <knome> cyphermox, we don't care, go ahead :P
[20:44] <cyphermox> well, it's a policy question really
[20:44] <cyphermox> do you care much if other flavours can also upload xfce* packages and the like
[20:46] <knome> my answer isn't an official statement, but i guess it would depend which flavors and if we they communicated about it with us
[20:46] <cyphermox> or say, if I shuffle the packagesets "a lot" and in the process remove some upload rights you might "care" about -- the packages would remain in universe and everything all the same, just that one might need to be explicitly MOTU to upload them
[20:46] <cyphermox> knome: I'm talking about status quo here: currently flavours that include xfce as a DM do get to upload it if they have uploaders for their packageset
[20:47] <knome> are there others than studio?
[20:47] <knome> (and xubuntu, ofc)
[20:47] <cyphermox> doesn't look to be the case
[20:48] <cyphermox> oh, you guys do your own uploader vetting for xubuntu, correct?
[20:49] <Unit193> cyphermox: Our lead dev isn't MOTU, only Xubuntu packageset (and he's more fitting for upload than I am, he does work upstream as well.)
[20:49] <knome> socially yes, but we do not have delegation to grant upload rights afaik.
[20:50] <cyphermox> ok
[20:50] <Unit193> We don't, still have to go to the DMB.
[20:50] <cyphermox> ok
[20:50] <cyphermox> I would expect it would be just a formality though; where people can naturally "graduate" from packageset to MOTU easily
[20:51] <cyphermox> right now I'm just thinking; so I can prepare for making changes (which I think we shouldn't do until post-release anyway)
[20:52] <knome> Unit193, did bluesabre apply for MOTU already?
[20:52] <Unit193> knome: Not that I know of, just looked and he has an old application (last edited 2015) but that's it.
[20:53] <knome> right... i wonder how many uploads he had done at that point then, and if he applied
[20:53] <knome> because i would also think it would be a formality to jump from packageset uploader to MOTU, but i don't know what the reality is
[20:54] <knome> at this point i definitely think there should be no stopper for bluesabre to be approved as a MOTU if he only applied
[20:54] <Unit193> Still have to find a meeting at a time you can attend, get sponsors to endorse, etc.
[20:54] <knome> indeed. these kinds of "just a formality" things tend to get tedious because of silly things like this.
[20:55] <knome> cyphermox, ^ a note to you too in case you happen to be involved with these processes...
[21:09] <cyphermox> I am
[21:09] <cyphermox> we want to make it easier
[21:10] <cyphermox> indeed bluesabre has only xubuntu packageset
[21:12] <knome> sure, we were pondering whether the application for MOTU was prepared but never submitted. my memory doesn't serve back to 2015...
[23:21] <Unit193> We need to keep an eye on https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14972 I think.
[23:46]  * Unit193 tempted to steal the patch as-is.


[12:03] <lucas> they probably already have grep-dctrl installed ;)
[12:04] <LaserJock> lucas: yes, for you it would be great and I would probably do that. I don't really know much of anything about bash scripting so I need to learn before I start doing that
[12:04] <lifeless> gahr
[12:04] <lifeless> python is much nicer than bash
[12:04] <lucas> ok
[12:05] <LaserJock> lucas: it's a good idea though. I did think about that somewhere along the line.
[12:11] <lucas> going to bed
[12:11] <lucas> gnight
[12:11] <LaserJock> cya
[12:14] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty
[12:16] <\sh> lifeless: python is different from bash...
[12:18] <\sh> useradd -u 1000 -g users -d /home/shermann -s /bin/python
[12:18] <\sh> -m shermann ,)
[12:19] <eruin> I've promised myself never again to follow examples set by crazy germans
[12:20] <\sh> lol
[12:20] <eruin> ;)
[12:20] <\sh> eruin: don't tell me now, that u c'n'ped it
[12:20] <eruin> the \sh part would have been nice to add
[12:21] <eruin> I should get myself a third computer where I could test all evil commands people paste across the net
[12:21] <eruin> starting with rm -rf /
[12:23] <eruin> now for the more immediate necessity, testing gfxboot
[12:23] <eruin> this noname laptop seems to take anything I can throw at it (including coffee and beer)
[12:23] <\sh> eruin: uh..nice laptop then :)
[12:25] <\sh> anyway time to sleep...
[12:25] <\sh> cu later today
[12:27] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[12:27] <lifeless> \sh_away: nice troll
[12:27] <lifeless> but in fact python makes a nicer shell too ;)
[12:28] <lifeless> 10:16 < \sh> lifeless: python is different from bash...
[12:28] <lifeless> 10:18 < \sh> useradd -u 1000 -g users -d /home/shermann -s /bin/python
[12:28] <lifeless> 10:18 < \sh> -m shermann ,)
[12:28] <lifeless> was the core
[12:28] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:29] <tseng> ruby ./script/console would be a nice "shell" if it would save history between sessions
[12:33] <LaserJock> is there any reason why a command excecuted from a makefile should take a lot longer than when done from the command line?
[12:37] <sistpoty> LaserJock: each command in a makefile is executed in a separate shell, but that should be the only difference
[12:38] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I timed using make and it was ~ 60s but when excecuted in a shell it was ~ 3s
[12:39] <sistpoty> LaserJock: that's strange... is it a complicated makefile? (rules need to be evaluated at first)
[12:39] <LaserJock> it's like it is taking forever to start. not that it is slower overall
[12:39] <LaserJock> sistpoty: you don't have a checkout of the docteam repo handy do you?
[12:39] <sistpoty> LaserJock: or perhaps a difference in the shell... afaik make uses /bin/sh as shell
[12:39] <sistpoty> LaserJock: no, i don't... sorry
[12:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: where's the repo located?
[12:40] <LaserJock> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[12:41] <LaserJock> or it might be faster to just go to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/Makefile
[12:41] <LaserJock> if you want to look at it
[12:42] <sistpoty> LaserJock: i'm already doing a checkout... I'll just wait until it's there ;)
[12:43] <LaserJock> sistpoty: sorry, I kinda forgot how big it is
[12:43] <sistpoty> LaserJock: how big is it? 10-100Mb or even bigger?
[12:44] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ok, checkout done :)
[12:44] <LaserJock> its 170MB on my comp
[12:44] <sistpoty> same here
[12:45] <sistpoty> which makefile should i look at?
[12:45] <LaserJock> ubunt-doc/ubuntu/makefile
[12:45] <LaserJock> the problem is when I do make server
[12:55] <ajmitch> hey Arrogance
[12:56] <Arrogance> hi aj
[01:17] <tseng> were you planning on asking it?
[01:18] <kjcole> Actually, no questions, yet, as I'm in the process of RTFW (reading the fine wiki's)... But I think I have something to submit.  (Will read more before pestering.)
[01:18] <tseng> ok :)
[01:22] <kjcole> OK, I've read everything (in 30 seconds) and am now an expert. ;-)  My first question: Regarding "reviewing this package for known security vulnerabilities and providing patches for all of them" (as the candidates page states):
[01:24] <kjcole> If I'm merely taking a package from Debian, and beating it up til it works in Ubuntu, has it already been "cleared" by Debian folks?  Cuz I sure don't know how to clear it.
[01:24] <ajmitch> taking a package from debian is not really submitting anything new
[01:25] <ajmitch> which package, btw?
[01:25] <crimsun> if it has been accepted into Debian, that's not usually a problem, but then the question begs to be asked why it's not already in Ubuntu. There are few of those.
[01:25] <kjcole> ajmitch: BOINC.  The package had all sorts of dependencies that appeared to be met other ways in Ubuntu, so I grabbed the source, and tweaked the dependencies til Ubuntu was happy with it.
[01:27] <kjcole> (Strangely enough, I see boinc monitoring packages in Ubuntu -- maybe in universe -- but no boinc itself.)
[01:28] <sistpoty> kjcole: I can't find boinc in unstable
[01:29] <kjcole> sistpoty: http://wiki.debian.org/BOINC
[01:30] <sistpoty> kjcole: ah... so it's no official package (probably because something in it is non-free)
[01:30] <sistpoty> kjcole: maybe you could check what non-free parts it contains and whether it's safe for ubuntu to distribute this
[01:31] <kjcole> sistpoty: Ah.  I guess I didn't look deep enough then.  So is there a MOTM  team/channel/whatever? ;-)
[01:31] <sistpoty> kjcole: MOTM?
[01:32] <kjcole> Masters of the Multiverse. ;-)
[01:32] <ajmitch> we have that task
[01:32] <sistpoty> he... no, this is done here as well ;)
[01:33] <kjcole> FYI in case some don't know: BOINC is seti@home-NG (as well as other @home efforts) out of UC Berkeley.
[01:34] <sistpoty> kjcole: but it still might be worth to investigate why this is non-free...
[01:35] <sistpoty> kjcole: and once you have a package, you can upload this to revu... and maybe add comments that it should go to multiverse
[01:35] <kjcole> (Or more specifically BOINC = Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing)
[01:35] <kjcole> sistpoty: OK, will try to do that.
[01:37] <kjcole> I know early on, the SETI people were concerned about releasing source, as they didn't want faked or erroneous data being reported back to them, and felt that some level of control over the source guaranteed good data coming back from client machines... That may still be the case.
[01:38] <sistpoty> kjcole: but i guess boinc comes with sources?
[01:40] <kjcole> sistpoty: It appeared to, since blindly following the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage worked after I changed dependencies a bit.
[01:40] <kjcole> sistpoty: (I'm an RPM guy, and so a lot of the deb stuff is new to me.)
[01:41] <magnon> hello ogra!
[01:41] <kjcole> Hi ogra.  Elkner's right: You don't sleep.
[01:41] <sistpoty> kjcole: actually i meant that boinc is distributed not as a binary, but rather as sources
[01:41] <ogra> kjcole, that just looks like ;)
[01:41] <ogra> hi magnon
[01:42] <ajmitch> ogra & sleep are incompatible ;)
[01:42] <kjcole> sistpoty: I'd have to go back and pay attention, but it was compiling something when I did that.  So, yeah, I think I've got sources for it all.
[01:43] <sistpoty> kjcole: that's good :)
[01:45] <magnon> grr. hope I get my laptop back soon
[01:51] <kjcole> Although I cannot find a specific license document, BOINC claims to be open source: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/source_code.php and the bottom of the web pages say they're released under the GNU FDL
[01:54] <kjcole> Found it: It's released under the GNU Lesser GPL: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/legal.html
[01:56] <sistpoty> kjcole: just read it... imo it should be fine to go into universe even
[01:57] <sistpoty> but /me is no legal expert ;)
[01:58] <kjcole> sistpoty: Which brings me back to my original question: I have no idea how secure or insecure it may be...  (I'm assuming it's fairly secure, but they say that "assume" makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me"...)
[01:58] <sistpoty> kjcole: does it allow incoming connections?
[01:59] <ogra> its in fact the new setiathome client
[01:59] <sistpoty> ogra: so maybe you have some better clue then ;)
[01:59] <ogra> you can get it at setiathome too afaik
[02:00] <ogra> its ages ago that i participated in seti :)
[02:00] <ogra> (when i had to care for machines where it was worth to donate the idle power ;) )
[02:00] <kjcole> ogra: Yeah, I was just telling folks here, I got it from http://wiki.debian.org/BOINC and tweaked the dependencies til Ubuntu stopped complaining.
[02:01] <kjcole> ogra: I was at the original announcement of the alpha version of seti@home: I'm registered user #45 (IIRC)/
[02:01] <ogra> its OSS and freely licensed afaik ...
[02:01] <ogra> so you should be able to just package it for universe ...
[02:01] <ajmitch> now we contribute our idle cycles to pbuilder ;)
[02:01] <ogra> hehe
[02:02] <kjcole> sistpoty: I think it just requests packets of data, processes them and sends them out again, and sends another request.  So, I don't think it allows incoming connections.
[02:03] <sistpoty> kjcole: i guess it's pretty safe then. at least the user needs to start the client manually
[02:03] <sistpoty> (i guess)
[02:04] <ogra> see kboincspy :)
[02:04] <kjcole> ogra: I'm very new to deb's (I'm an rpm guy.) I just followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage
[02:05] <kjcole> ogra: It's running on my breezy system, yea even as we chat.
[02:05] <ogra> heh, thats wikipage is *very* boiled down
[02:05] <kjcole> ogra: That's where I started too.  I was surprised to see the k-boinc-monitoring stuff but no boinc to go with it.
[02:06] <ogra> i wonder why its not in debian ... its already pretty old ...
[02:06] <kjcole> ogra: I like boiled down, pre-chewed, pre-digested instructions.  They go through my system easier.
[02:07] <ogra> its good for first steps indeed ... but making real packages involves a lot more
[02:07] <ogra> but good to get the foot into the door
[02:07] <kjcole> ogra: But, is there a better set of instructions that aren't too steep for a beginner? Or is there someone I can hand off what I've done so far to?
[02:08] <ogra> ajmitch, are the docs from unfrgiven uploaded finally ?
[02:08] <ajmitch> ogra: laserjock was going to repackage a changed version
[02:08] <ajmitch> which will live in the doc team repository
[02:08] <ogra> yes, we had a guy who wrote a developer intro that was submitted to breezy to late to enter the archive
[02:09] <ogra> kjcole, so you probably should poke laserjock and improve the docs as you use them ...
[02:09] <kjcole> (I'm trying to learn my first RCS -- bzr, and Docbook. So, the more straightforward packaging instructions are, the better.  I *DO* sleep.)
[02:09] <ogra> i never read them myself but heard they are very good
[02:10] <kjcole> Ah.
[02:27] <ajmitch> hey bmonty
[02:29] <crimsun> well put even if tongue-in-cheek
[02:32] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:24] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[03:25] <zakame> hi
[04:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what's wrong?
[04:46] <ajmitch> it's dead :)
[04:46] <ajmitch> and I need to wander home & kick the box
[04:47] <ajmitch> reload the drivers, reload the firmware, and it runs again
[04:47] <ajmitch> crappy usb dsl modem
[04:47] <LaserJock> bummer
[04:47] <ajmitch> it doesn't happen often, usually
[04:47] <ajmitch> but somehow it's happened at least twice today
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] <crimsun> re daniel
[07:26] <dholbach> hey daniel :)
[07:27] <LaserJock> Hi dholbach
[07:27] <dholbach> hey LaserJock - you were not talking about THIS tuesday, were you?
[07:28] <LaserJock> no, is it Tuesday there? It's still Monday here ;-)
[07:28] <dholbach> haha :)
[07:28] <ajmitch_> hi
[07:28] <dholbach> i'm in germany, so it's 07:28 and already tuesday
[07:29] <ajmitch_> and 7:28 here
[07:29] <ajmitch_> but pm
[07:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what day?
[07:30] <ajmitch_> tuesday of course
[07:30] <LaserJock> wow, that's crazy
[07:30] <dholbach> sudo apt-get install gworldclock
[07:30] <dholbach> ;)
[07:30] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: you're just behind :)
[07:31] <LaserJock> dang it, and I thought I was just behind because I was slow
[07:32] <ajmitch_> heh
[07:32] <LaserJock> dholbach: mdke added the packaging guide to the .deb for ubuntu-docs
[07:33] <dholbach> yeah, he told me
[07:33] <dholbach> that's brilliant (if we can keep it up to date with the doc team)
[07:34] <LaserJock> I really would like to figure out what is needed and really make something good out of it
[07:34] <ajmitch_> sounds like jdub is having yet more touring fun
[07:35] <LaserJock> Right now I kinda feel like it is just a bit from the New Maintainer Guide and some pbuilder wiki thrown together
[07:39] <LaserJock> I was wondering if it would be useful to use a real life example for the packaging guide. Maybe a package that is relatively simple and stable
[07:41] <dholbach> yeah, sure
[07:42] <dholbach> i had a brief look at the packaging guide and thought there were quite some improvements possible
[07:42] <dholbach> where it could be easier
[07:42] <dholbach> and more straight forward
[07:43] <LaserJock> I would like to see a real quick overview (kinda like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage) and then move into the details with a example package
[07:44] <LaserJock> but the example package would really have to work. I would hate to have people to start reporting bugs on a faulty example
[07:47] <LaserJock> I would also like to see a "best practices" section about things like cdbs, build-deps, versioning, patching, merging (maybe), REVU
[07:48] <LaserJock> Seems like there is really a lot that could be included, but in a sequential and gentle way
[07:48] <dholbach> we started PackagingTips and ReviewingTips
[07:48] <dholbach> but that's only a small start
[07:50] <LaserJock> yeah, I would like to maybe have those as our "work in progress" pages and the Packaging Guide have the stuff that seem stable and mostly agreed upon
[07:50] <LaserJock> because I realize that there are many different ways to approach packaging
[07:51] <dholbach> absolutely
[07:51] <dholbach> that sounds good
[07:55] <LaserJock> I would also like to include a troubleshooting section that would have some of the most common mistakes. I'm not sure if that is practical but it might help to increase the quality of the packages going into REVU and also reduce the number of reviews by MOTUs that need to be done before a package is done
[07:55] <dholbach> sounds good
[07:55] <dholbach> LaserJock: you must have given this long thinking :)
[07:57] <LaserJock> dholbach: some anyway. I really seem to like this documenting for MOTU stuff. I haven't don a lot yet but I'm trying to wrap my brain around what really needs to be done
[07:58] <LaserJock> wikis sometimes give a "thrown together" appearance that can make it confusing for somebody not used to it.
[07:58] <LaserJock> but they are great for getting the ideas down
[07:59] <dholbach> yeah
[08:00] <LaserJock> anyway, I hope once I am a member and get doc-team commit access that I will be able to get a lot more done
[08:01] <dholbach> that should also help you becoming a motu and get some stuff done as well ;)
[08:01] <dholbach> i'm very happy you're working on this
[08:02] <LaserJock> well, I'm happy that I can contribute and give something back to the community
[08:03] <LaserJock> I've been a Linux "user" far too long
[08:03] <dholbach> too long? :)
[08:03] <dholbach> come on... it's good you're here :)
[08:04] <LaserJock> well, I guess it's only been 4 years or so. I used Gentoo for a long time. But I never found a community I wanted to contribute to before Ubuntu
[08:05] <viviersf> hmmm this is weird
[08:05] <viviersf> i added a new user
[08:05] <viviersf> but PS1 is stuffed
[08:05] <viviersf> doesnt get read :/
[08:07] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed before its Tuesday. It's been great talking to you dholbach. You got me fired up about the packaging guide. Now I just need to do it ;-)
[08:07] <dholbach> cool :)
[08:07] <dholbach> good night :)
[08:21] <sivang> GOod Morning
[08:37] <ajmitch_> yay for filterdiff
[08:37] <ajmitch_> very useful for splitting out inline patches
[08:38] <zakame> hello
[08:38] <ajmitch_> hi
[08:38] <ajmitch_> morning \sh
[08:39] <zakame> hi \sh
[08:39] <ajmitch_> 20MB source + 20MB of debs
[08:39] <ajmitch_> a recipe for great pain
[08:39] <zakame> hm, is gccmakedep deprecated? I couldn't find it anywhere in dapper's xutils
[08:43] <ajmitch_> \sh: good mail to ubuntu-devel :)
[09:05] <\sh> ajmitch_: it was my last to this thread...I think I said everything, and seeing that others agree with me...this is good
[09:06] <zakame> \sh: just read, nice one indeed :)
[09:07] <zakame> ooh, so one has to set DEPEND="gcc -M" to get mas building...
[09:07] <\sh> ajmitch_: I mean the attitude of this mike guy is really annoying...
[09:08] <Mithrandir> \sh: I think it's hilarious that he thinks a 15k patch is big.
[09:09] <zakame> hihi
[09:10] <\sh> A desktop like GNOME needs to be
[09:10] <\sh> integrated with the kernel
[09:10] <\sh> what?
[09:10] <\sh> I thought i'm clueless
[09:10] <zakame> grrrr
[09:10] <\sh> but actually...I have to ask benc if he's planning a kernel with gnome integrated...
[09:13] <\sh> dholbach: it wasn't my idea...mike wrote it...that gnome has to be integrated with the kernel
[09:13] <Treenaks> \sh: mike?
[09:13] <\sh> mike hearn
[09:13] <Treenaks> dholbach: yeah, stop using those ;)
[09:14] <dholbach> Treenaks: ok :)
[09:14] <dholbach> you made me see sense
[09:27] <ajmitch_> \sh: you don't think that gnome integrated into the kernel is good?
[09:27] <ajmitch_> think of the speed increase! :)
[09:27] <\sh> ajmitch_: well if this ever happens, we have to fork the kernel to kkernel
[09:28] <ajmitch_> Gnubuntu, with the hurd ;)
[09:33] <raphink> lol
[09:34] <raphink> kdm upgrade -> brb ;)
[09:36] <ajmitch_> hm, I wonder what other syncs I need to request
[10:01] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Woot, ubuntu5 works great.
[10:01] <ajmitch_> StevenK: ubuntu1 should have worked great :)
[10:02] <StevenK> ajmitch_: You going to be around? If pingus builds, I'll get you to request a sync.
[10:03] <ajmitch_> I'm around
[10:03] <StevenK> Ditto.
[10:04] <StevenK> My wife has just thrown mince for tacos into the wok.
[10:04] <ajmitch_> nice
[10:04] <StevenK> Are you IRC'ing from the kitchen? :-)
[10:04] <ajmitch_> nah
[10:04] <ajmitch_> food is in the oven, it won't burn for at least a bit longer :)
[10:05] <StevenK> Heh
[10:05] <StevenK> My wife would kill me if she saw me IRC'ing from the kitchen.
[10:06] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch_ long time no see
[10:10] <StevenK> Evidently not, since the last buildd log says the same thing about disabling clanGL.
[10:11] <StevenK> Oh, so unfair.
[10:12] <StevenK> pingus compiles, and fails the final link.
[10:18] <ajmitch_> hey jsgotangco
[10:19] <ajmitch_> what's up?
[10:19] <ajmitch_> enjoying life in .au now?
[10:30] <ajmitch_> yay, someone !\sh  who's taken over planet ubuntu
[10:33] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:37] <\sh> hehe
[10:47] <ajmitch_> hey koke
[10:47] <koke> hi :)
[10:47] <ajmitch_> what's up?
[10:48] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Right, pingus fails in the final link, with lots of undefined references to ogg and vorbis symbols.
[10:49] <ajmitch_> StevenK: sounds a bit suspect
[10:50] <koke> DB work waiting for me
[10:50] <ajmitch_> koke: sounds like great fun :)
[10:51] <koke> ajmitch_: yeah, migrating 6 different MySQL DBs to a postgresql one and keep them synced
[10:51] <koke> lots of fun :)
[10:51] <ajmitch_> eeevil
[10:51] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Yes, but undefined references and symbols while linked was never my strong point.
[10:52] <ajmitch_> I suspect I'll need to give it a build & look at the log
[10:53] <StevenK> I can mail you the command and output
[10:53] <ajmitch_> dholbach: when do you think is a good time to have another MOTU meeting?
[10:54] <ajmitch_> I don't recall us deciding on a time at the UBZ meetup
[10:54] <ajmitch_> oh good, inkscape build just finished
[11:04] <StevenK> ajmitch_: You'll build pingus if you can stay awake?
[11:04] <ajmitch_> sure
[11:29] <viviersf> does any1 multiboot with windows
[11:29] <jtan325> i do
[11:29] <viviersf> and can email me your menu.list plz
[11:30] <viviersf> i need to see something in it
[11:30] <viviersf> ah
[11:30] <viviersf> will you plz ?
[11:30] <Mithrandir> title Windows XP
[11:30] <Mithrandir> root (hd0,2)
[11:30] <Mithrandir> chainloader +1
[11:30] <Mithrandir> is what I have
[11:31] <jtan325> http://pastebin.com/442053
[11:31] <viviersf> yes
[11:31] <viviersf> but i need full menu.list Mithrandir
[11:32] <viviersf> dont want the windows stuff to disapear on grub-update
[11:32] <jtan325> i just pasted it
[11:32] <jtan325> viviersf,
[11:32] <viviersf> thx jabra_
[11:32] <viviersf> * jtan325
[11:32] <viviersf> just talking to Mithrandir
[11:32] <Mithrandir> viviersf: add it after ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[11:32] <Mithrandir> or before
[11:33] <ajmitch_> godzero: yes & yes
[11:34] <godzero> choked on cdrom again
[11:34] <godzero> can I comment out cdrom?
[11:35] <JanC> godzero: yes
[11:35] <godzero> k, I'll give that a go
[11:35] <JanC> cdrom is only needed is you install / update from a cd-rom archive
[11:36] <viviersf> thx Mithrandir
[11:36] <viviersf> just saw
[11:41] <\sh> question...what should I do now, when I change the Makefile.am and have to dance the autotools dance. Put the changes directly into diff.gz or doing the dance inside the debian/rules configure target?
[11:41] <\sh> (means during buildtime)
[11:43] <godzero> ...ahhh...much better. Sucess? Looks like a good base.tgz
[11:46] <godzero> great.. I got the bc built test to work
[11:49] <ajmitch_> StevenK: do you have a debdiff for iterm from 0.5-5 ?
[11:49] <ajmitch_> it might be easier to review
[11:55] <\sh> lunch....bbl
[11:59] <StevenK> ajmitch_: No, but I can make one.
[11:59] <ajmitch_> would be nice so that I don't have to :)
[12:00] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Heh, it's still 115k
[12:00] <ajmitch_> ouch
[12:00] <ajmitch_> why so large?
[12:00] <StevenK> The config.{sub,guess} files. Why they changed, I have no idea.
[12:01] <ajmitch_> broken dh_make templates was often a cause
[12:01] <StevenK> All you need is the changelog, control and rules.
[12:01] <ajmitch_> they get copied in in the wrong rules target
[12:02] <dholbach> new autotools-dev package
[12:03] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Tell me what to fix, and I'll fix it.
[12:05] <ajmitch_> clean: target copies in the config.sub & config.guess
[12:05] <StevenK> Right. Kill that bit and rebuild?
[12:05] <ajmitch_> iirc that can be done elsewhere, but I can't recall just what the magic is
[12:05] <ajmitch_> \sh knows :)
[12:05] <ajmitch_> you can try that
[12:09] <StevenK> Ah hah. Do it in build
[12:10] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Any news in terms of pingus?
[12:10] <ajmitch_> it broke
[12:10] <StevenK> I knew that. :-)
[12:10] <ajmitch_> I'm guessing libclan*-vorbis isn't pulling in the libs properly
[12:10] <StevenK> Right.
[12:10] <ajmitch_> hm
[12:10] <siretart> \sh: re: using autotools at buildtime
[12:10] <ajmitch_> I see why
[12:10] <StevenK> ubuntu6 time?
[12:11] <ajmitch_> StevenK: I deserve another swift kick in the head
[12:11] <siretart> \sh: this is a quite controvers discuessed issue. You get answers depending on whom you ask
[12:11] <ajmitch_> libclan2c2-vorbis.install
[12:11] <ajmitch_> problems there :)
[12:11] <StevenK> Ahhh. :-)
[12:12] <siretart> \sh: IMO: if the package uses dpatch (or similar), then do that in a dpatch. if no patchsystem is included, then do that at buildtime, to keep the debdiff to the debian package small
[12:12] <siretart> \sh: but thats my opinion. it really depends on the package, too
[12:12] <ajmitch_> StevenK: I'll really get it right one of these days
[12:14] <ajmitch_> \sh: do you know why that one wasn't renamed, and all the other clanlib packages were?
[12:21] <StevenK> Muahaha, 3k debdiff
[12:22] <ajmitch_> much better
[12:22] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Shall I throw the new debdiff onto launchpad?
[12:22] <ajmitch_> please do
[12:22] <ajmitch_> I'll review against 0.5-5 source & upload
[12:22] <StevenK> Excellent.
[12:22] <StevenK> I just don't think I'm whitelisted still. :-P
[12:23] <ajmitch_> you know who to harass :)
[12:24] <StevenK> I've already harassed him once. elmo has more important things to do/worry about
[12:24] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:24] <ajmitch_> whitelisting is very minor really
[12:25] <ajmitch_> you just need to get approval from the CC to get an ubuntu.com address
[12:25] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Done.
[12:25] <ajmitch_> you've signed the code of conduct?
[12:25] <StevenK> I did that like a week and a half ago
[12:25] <ajmitch_> ok
[12:26] <ajmitch_> ubuntu.com addresses don't work unless you signed
[12:26] <StevenK> What I meant was I've uploaded the new debdiff to launchpad.
[12:26] <StevenK> (The -s is for *small* :-)
[12:26] <ajmitch_> yep :)
[12:27] <StevenK> [22:22]  < liw> it's one thing if your upstream is irritating and clueless, and it's worse if he spends his time in his underwear in your home
[12:28] <ajmitch_> haha
[12:30] <ajmitch_> StevenK: trying to build now..
[12:31] <StevenK> clanlib or iterm?
[12:31] <ajmitch_> clanlib already built
[12:31] <StevenK> Ahh.
[12:31] <ajmitch_> building iterm in pbuilder
[12:32] <ajmitch_> it drags in a few build depends
[12:32] <StevenK> Yup. I have to hold myself back from fixing the plethora of warnings spat out.
[12:32] <StevenK> And they're all silly.
[12:32] <ajmitch_> they usually are
[12:33] <ajmitch_> oh I see what you mean about warnings
[12:33] <ajmitch_> my eyes glazed over seeing all those
[12:33] <StevenK> Heh
[12:35] <ajmitch_> iterm uploaded
[12:35] <StevenK> Woo, thanks
[12:36] <StevenK> clanlib has been too?
[12:36] <ajmitch_> yeah, I think I'll try a pingus rebuild in the morning once the archive has a (finally) fixed clanlib :)
[12:36] <ajmitch_> yes
[12:36] <StevenK> Yeah.
[12:36] <StevenK> I suspect it has a hope of working now. :-)
[12:36] <ajmitch_> it had better
[12:36] <StevenK> Or what, you'll kick its ass?
[12:37] <ajmitch_> no, my ass will get kicked :)
[12:37] <ajmitch_> I wonder if f-spot cvs is usable enough to throw into dapper :)
[12:38] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I found about 12.5k pornpics on my server. let's see how f-spot manage... ;-)
[12:38] <ajmitch_> what a surprise
[12:39] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:39] <tseng_> yawn..
[12:39] <ajmitch_> morning tseng_
[12:39] <tseng_> hi
[12:40] <tseng_> i need a new laptop battery
[12:40] <slomo_> hi everybody
[12:40] <tseng_> this one is lucky to last an hour now
[12:40] <Nafallo> tseng_: you made me IRL-yawn! :-P
[12:40] <ajmitch_> I need a new laptop
[12:40] <Nafallo> hi btw :-)
[12:40] <ajmitch_> hello slomo_
[12:40] <Mithrandir> hi Nafallo
[12:40] <Nafallo> morning Mithrandir :-)
[12:44] <ajmitch_> yeah it might take a couple of minutes
[12:44] <StevenK> http://aigarius.blogspot.com/2005/11/do-you-want-to-hear-most-incredible.html
[12:44] <StevenK> Fun with debugging f-spot
[12:45] <ajmitch_> ah, gphoto issues :)
[12:45] <ajmitch_> thankfully that doesn't occur when importing photos on disk
[12:46] <ajmitch_> hi spacey
[12:47] <spacey> hey
[12:47] <spacey> zup
[12:47] <ajmitch_> about to sleep
[12:49] <ajmitch_> in fact, I think I'll do that now
[12:49] <ajmitch_> night all
[12:50] <Nafallo> hehe, nice blogpost :-)
[12:54] <ogra> modprobe gnome
[12:54] <ogra> oops, wrong window ....
[12:54] <ogra> morning
[12:56] <Nafallo> morning ogra :-)
[12:56] <Nafallo> modprobe gnome? ;-)
[12:56] <ogra> ;)
[12:56] <ogra> a tribute to mike :)
[12:57] <Nafallo> lol
[01:20] <\sh> lol
[01:21] <\sh> you guys are crazy
[01:22] <\sh> anyway...coming from lunch...and now security meeting with mr. schnitzel
[01:22] <\sh> bbl
[01:23] <ogra> \sh, send my greetings
[01:23] <Nafallo> food?
[01:24] <ogra> nope, the security guy is called like this ;)
[01:24] <Nafallo> why? :-)
[01:25] <ogra> Nafallo, because Bjlevik is not that common in germany ?
[01:25] <ogra> its his last name ;)
[01:26] <Nafallo> hmm, oki :-P.
[01:27] <Nafallo> so he's not only called, but also named schnitzel?
[01:27] <ogra> nope, in fact he's called schnitzler ...
[01:28] <Nafallo> I would probably have changed name at that point ;-)
[01:42] <godzero> So, what does a motu wannabe do to help out?
[01:58] <zakame> good evening
[02:09] <StrikeForce> hi zakame
[02:10] <zakame> hi ogra , StrikeForce :D
[02:10] <StrikeForce> :)
[02:10] <zakame> what's up?
[02:12] <StrikeForce> not much
[02:12] <StrikeForce> hoping someone will revu my packages that I've uploaded
[02:16] <zakame> ooh
[02:37] <StrikeForce> whats the steps in talking to someone who already provides deb's to their package but to get them to submit it to ubuntu?
[02:39] <zakame> is this someone the same upstream developer, or someone else?
[02:47] <StrikeForce> same upstream developer
[02:47] <StrikeForce> zakame, http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gnome-sshman/
[02:47] <zakame> StrikeForce: ooh
[02:47] <StrikeForce> theres been some requests for it on the forums and there really isn't any point in me making a deb package if the guy/girl does it already
[02:52] <zakame> hm, you can ping upstream about that being included in ubuntu, and have it uploaded to revu so the motus can take a look at it...
[02:53] <zakame> hi minghua :)
[02:57] <minghua> hi zakame
[03:03] <StrikeForce> yeah I will do
[03:52] <zakame> can some motu please check malone 4765 5116 and 5118 debdiffs, thanks in advance and good night!
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4765: eyed3: merge new debian version In: eyed3 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/bugs/4765
[05:01] <janimo> when the only change to a package compared to debian is to bump the epoch, do we still append ubuntu1 to the end or just the 1: epoch prefix?
[05:01] <dholbach> yes
[05:01] <dholbach> to indicate, we diverted, no?
[05:02] <janimo> hmm indeed :) thanks
[05:03] <janimo> and bumping the epoch is actually just adding a changelog entry ?
[05:03] <dholbach> seems so :)
[05:03] <janimo> it seems the rest is figured out by dpkg-source when building
[05:03] <dholbach> dunno what else you have to change
[05:03] <janimo> good,thanks
[05:04] <janimo> btw do you know if elmo synced on request today? I saw him around
[05:05] <dholbach> no idea, sorry
[05:05] <dholbach> should be on the list then
[05:46] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[05:46] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[05:47] <LaserJock> good morning ;-)
[05:47] <dholbach> hellas :)
[05:47] <LaserJock> will you be around for a few more hours?
[05:48] <dholbach> what do you mean?
[05:48] <azeem> dholbach will be with you. Always.
[05:48] <LaserJock> lol
[05:49] <LaserJock> I got a class but maybe I will just ask you real quick
[05:49] <dholbach> feel free to :)
[05:50] <LaserJock> I noticed that you assigned a bug to MOTUScience. Is that generally ok for us to do?
[05:50] <dholbach> yeah
[05:51] <LaserJock> My only concern was that the bug report won't go to universe-bugs, correct?
[05:51] <dholbach> oh yeah, then add MOTU as a CC
[05:51] <dholbach> i thought i had done that
[05:52] <LaserJock> how would I do that from launchpad?
[05:53] <LaserJock> or can I?
[05:53] <dholbach> login, open the bug, righthand-side: CC somebody else
[05:53] <dholbach> or something like that
[05:53] <lucas> dholbach: can we discuss https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libgettext-ruby/+bug/5035 ?
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5035: ruby (Ubuntu) - shared library installed to incorrect directory on amd64 In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTURuby, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/5035
[05:53] <dholbach> lucas: sure
[05:54] <LaserJock> dholbach: like Subscribe Somebody Else?
[05:54] <dholbach> LaserJock: yeah, if you want somebody's opinion
[05:54] <lucas> I have a simple patch
[05:54] <LaserJock> dholbach: OK, I just didn't want to keep the rest of the MOTU out of the loop if we decided to take some bugs
[05:55] <lucas> it just needs rebuilding and I think it can go to breezy-updates
[05:55] <dholbach> lucas: patch != just rebuilding, but attach the patch to the bug, or did you already?
[05:56] <lucas> I did
[05:57] <dholbach> cool
[06:03] <Lord_Athur> hi everyone
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> I need to learn how to compile an application
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> i've downloaded the source,
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> configured it
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> but I do not know more
[06:05] <dholbach> a package or new software?
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> package
[06:08] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage?highlight=%28source%29
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> someone gave me the following line command:
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> ./configure && make && make install
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> I did it
[06:15] <Lord_Athur> but the package is not different
[06:16] <minghua> Lord_Athur: that's the way to compile an upstream tarball, not a source package
[06:17] <minghua> Lord_Athur: for an source package you should use the commands in the wiki
[06:29] <ivoks> \sh_away: ping
[06:31] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[06:33] <ivoks> ogra: for packages that need only rebuild, version is -build1 or -ubuntu1?
[06:33] <ogra> -build1
[06:33] <ivoks> tnx
[06:38] <Kyral> hey
[07:21] <Tonio_> hi
[07:22] <dholbach> hey Tonio_
[07:22] <Tonio_> hi dholbach , fine ?
[07:22] <dholbach> if you ask like that, how could i say no? :)
[07:23] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:23] <Tonio_> little bit better for me
[07:23] <Tonio_> so that's okay, I try to get every little element like THE good news
[07:24] <dholbach> :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> have you guys dist-upgraded to dapper or are you just using chroots?
[07:52] <minghua> what about a dist-upgrade in chroot? :-P
[07:53] <LaserJock> minghua: well, that is what I meant by chroot I guess
[07:53] <LaserJock> I was thinking of dist-upgrading but I'm not sure if that is a good idea yet
[07:55] <minghua> actually I couldn't install ubuntu-desktop in dapper when I upgraded
[07:55] <minghua> I had to install ubuntu-desktop in breezy then upgrade
[07:55] <LaserJock> I think I have ubuntu-desktop still
[07:56] <\sh> morning
[07:56] <LaserJock> I just wondered if people were having a hard time dist-upgrading and if X worked at the moment. Beyond that I'm pretty ok
[07:56] <minghua> morning \sh
[07:56] <minghua> gdm has a bug and doesn't start
[07:57] <minghua> I don't know if that's fixed or not, but the patch is trival
[07:57] <minghua> LaserJock: I always have two systems
[07:57] <LaserJock> well, I'm a former Gentoo user so I don't mind a little tweaking to get thing going
[08:00] <\sh> LaserJock: which is not all the time a good thing, but sometimes yes :)
[08:01] <LaserJock> minghua: I just got rid of my spare partition and mounted it as /var for chroots and pbuilder. Maybe I will go back to having 2
[08:01] <minghua> LaserJock: my experience is that pbuidler don't use a lot of space
[08:02] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, but the chroots seem to, anyway I wanted to keep them around even when I do one of my frequent reinstalls ;-)
[08:03] <LaserJock> anyway, I might just reshuffle some stuff around and put both breezy and dapper on
[08:03] <minghua> LaserJock: you probably want a different partition for your /var/cache/apt/archives then :-)
[08:05] <LaserJock> minghua: well, I got 40GB to play around with and I'm only using 8GB so I'm sure I will find room
[08:06] <minghua> I always use the same /var/cache/apt/archives for both my systems, and any pbuidlers if I have
[08:07] <LaserJock> good idea
[08:07] <minghua> one nice thing about doing so on a Debian testing/unstable box is that upgrading testing half rarely download anything :-)
[08:12] <ajmitch_> hi
[08:16] <herve> hello
[08:16] <herve> someone to advocate a python package?
[08:27] <Surak> dholbach: bug 4430 states that version has changed. But does not say a thing about the mirrors no longer working anymore. bug 5183 on launchpad is a little more descriptive.
[08:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4430: nonfree (Ubuntu) - Macromedia has released an upgrade of Flash Player 7 plugin In: flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/4430
[08:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5183: nonfree (Ubuntu) - Flash tar file moved from mirrors to macromedia In: flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/5183
[08:28] <Surak> Ubugtu: I posted 5183
[08:28] <dholbach> Surak: it's a bug bot :)
[08:28] <dholbach> gnome bug 20000
[08:28] <dholbach> hrm
[08:28] <Ubugtu> Error: Error getting Gnome Bugzilla bug #20000: NotFound
[08:28] <dholbach> ubuntu bug 20000
[08:28] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu Bugzilla bug #20000: kdebase-dev can not be installed due to broken dependencies: Product: Ubuntu, Component: kdebase-dev, Severity: normal, Assigned to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Status: NEEDINFO http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20000
[08:28] <dholbach> :)
[08:29] <Surak> duh!
[08:29] <Surak> :-)
[08:29] <LaserJock> man, so Gnome doesn't have 20000 bugs?
[08:29] <minghua> Hmm, I see that Ubugtu is upgraded. :-)
[08:31] <Surak> dholbach: the fact is that the update-flashplugin script seems quite useless in terms of version checking.
[08:32] <dholbach> we should add all necessary information to that bug
[08:32] <Surak> ok
[08:32] <Surak> It's better to post there than here. But is there a motu responsible for it?
[08:33] <dholbach> not responsible
[08:33] <dholbach> we do everything as team work
[08:33] <LaserJock> hi kjcole
[08:33] <herve> we're the borg :-)
[08:34] <LaserJock> resistance is futile ;-)
[08:34] <Surak> let's assimilate macromedia :-)
[08:34] <dholbach> hey herve :)
[08:34] <kjcole> LaserJock: Hiya.  Thanks for the tip. I printed out the doc, but haven't had time to do much with it.
[08:35] <LaserJock> kjcole: fine, let me know if there is anything that needs to be changed/clarified , etc.
[08:35] <herve> hol daniel!
[08:35] <kjcole> LaserJock: (Though I did find a typo.  I forget where but was going to fix it later today in the wiki.)
[08:35] <LaserJock> kjcole: which wiki?
[08:36] <kjcole> LaserJock: Maybe I can't.  doc.ubuntu.com
[08:36] <LaserJock> kjcole: no, that's a just a website. Just email me or tell me here if I'm around
[08:37] <kjcole> LaserJock: Ooops.  ;-)  Right.  Getting too used to everything I look at these days being a wiki.
[08:37] <ogra> \sh, did you hear anything from pkern yet ? i just created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportGobby :)
[08:37] <LaserJock> kjcole: np, I know the feeling
[08:37] <\sh> ogra: no
[08:38] <Surak> Do we have access to macromedia devs? Just to propose the gpg_md5 file...
[08:38] <kjcole> LaserJock: Found the error.  In Chapter 1, it's a "cut & paste" error, where you ended up with duplicate text.
[08:39] <Kyral> hey
[08:39] <kjcole> LaserJock: Am sending in e-mail
[08:39] <LaserJock> kjcole: great, thanks
[08:41] <Kyral> Anyone else having problems with X not starting because it cannot find mouse and kbd?
[08:45] <\sh> ogra: i
[08:45] <\sh> 'm waiting for his "go"
[08:45] <\sh> ogra: he said something about "thursday"
[08:46] <ajmitch_> \sh: new upstream?
[08:46] <ajmitch_> I was tempted to do a gobby upload last night
[08:46] <ogra> \sh, yup, i read it
[08:46] <\sh> ajmitch: yes and new debian upstream...but should hit ubuntu faster then debian
[08:46] <ajmitch_> since it was uninstallable
[08:47] <\sh> ajmitch: 0.3 will hit
[08:47] <ajmitch_> instead I just watched gobby be removed from my box
[08:47] <ajmitch_> a painful experience
[08:47] <ogra> ajmitch_, we'll get 0.3.0 from phillip before debian gets it ;)
[08:47] <ajmitch_> ogra: that's only because debian is taking an age & a day to do transitions again
[08:47] <ogra> he would have to NMU some packages to get it in
[08:47] <ajmitch_> we can't afford to :)
[08:48] <ogra> i want it on the edubuntu CD asap :)
[08:48] <\sh> ajmitch_: you see...something is wrong with the structure..those things has to be done afap :)
[08:48] <Kyral> Edubuntu will be most fun
[08:48] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:48] <ajmitch_> hey sistpoty
[08:48] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[08:48] <ajmitch_> dholbach!
[08:48] <dholbach> ;)
[08:49] <ajmitch_> you live!!
[08:49] <dholbach> of course :)
[08:49] <ajmitch_> \sh: I finally did some main uploads last night ;)
[08:50] <sistpoty> btw.: when is next motu-meeting/is there a meeting planned at all?
[08:50] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: not yet
[08:50] <sistpoty> ah, k
[08:50] <ajmitch_> I don't think I got a response when I asked last night :)
[08:50] <dholbach> it's all up to us, isnt it?
[08:50] <ajmitch_> dholbach: it is
[08:51] <ajmitch_> 2 weeks from now might be reasonable
[08:51] <ogra> sistpoty, just stay around for 10 mins more ;)
[08:51] <ajmitch_> as long as it's not at 3am ;)
[08:51] <\sh> ajmitch_: dude...welcome to the real world :)
[08:51] <ogra> then you wont miss it
[08:51] <ajmitch_> \sh: I think I got clanlib right, finally ;)
[08:51] <sistpoty> ogra: hehe... daylight saving time caught me off for a few times ;)
[08:52] <ogra> heh, me too.. but i'm used to it now
[08:52] <ajmitch_> ok, have to run to work, will be back soon :)
[08:52] <sistpoty> l8er ajmitch
[08:57] <sistpoty> hm... why is mako on the list of candidates for motu?
[08:57] <dholbach> i asked that myself :)
[08:58] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:59] <abelcheung> is there really any subjective condition to propose oneself as motu candidates?
[08:59] <dholbach> abelcheung: you have to be an ubuntu member before
[08:59] <dholbach> (you become member in a community council meeting, where you elaborate on what you did in the ubuntu landscape)
[08:59] <abelcheung> sure, just asking if there is any more
[09:00] <dholbach> and you become a motu, if you get people to vouch for you, vouch for your technical skills and for your team-play
[09:00] <dholbach> it's quite straightforward
[09:00] <abelcheung> oh, see, thanks :-)
[09:01] <dholbach> so if you like playing with packages, fixing stuff with us, get new stuff in, then you should be quite able to make it in soon :)
[09:02] <Kyral> Or in my case breaking then fixing :D
[09:02] <herve> Kyral, I see you're used to our procedures :-)
[09:02] <Kyral> Its an official procedure? LOL
[09:03] <Kyral> Actually....the new X update. Did it change where the v4l module went?
[09:05] <Kyral> X is crashing out saying it can't load v4l nor nvidia
[09:05] <ogra> slomo_, !!
[09:05] <ogra> #ubuntu-meeting
[09:05] <slomo_> ogra: thanks
[09:13] <Surak> dholbach : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/5183 updated, with patch suggestions.
[09:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5183: nonfree (Ubuntu) - Flash tar file moved from mirrors to macromedia In: flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/5183
[09:13] <dholbach> excellent
[09:15] <Surak> What can I do now to assure that this fix will reach the light?
[09:24] <Surak> ops, I always forget to name people: dholbach :-)
[09:24] <ajmitch_> assign it to motureviewers :)
[09:25] <ajmitch_> or to motu
[09:25] <dholbach> hmhmhmhm, work with somebody, get a patch rolling
[09:25] <ajmitch_> probably to motu, and talk to someone as dholbach says
[09:27] <StevenK> Wheee, pingus builds.
[09:27] <StevenK> ajmitch_: As long as the buildds grab ubuntu6, can you request a sync?
[09:27] <ajmitch_> it is definitely syncable then?
[09:27] <ajmitch_> no ubuntu changes to keep?
[09:28] <StevenK> The stock Debian package just built for me
[09:28] <ajmitch_> ok, and you reviewed the ubuntu changes?
[09:29] <StevenK> There are three patches that all are applied and the changelog.
[09:29] <ajmitch_> ok, wasn't sure if they got applied in the NMU or not :)
[09:29] <StevenK> Well, the three patches exist, due to pingus being dpatch.
[09:30] <ajmitch_> I'll run a quick debdiff
[09:30] <StevenK> And iterm built on i386, amd64 and ppc and failed on ia64.
[09:31] <StevenK> But ia64 failed due to some ghostscript thing.
[09:31] <ajmitch_> no surprises there
[09:32] <StevenK> No?
[09:32] <ajmitch_> ia64 is not a release-blocking arch
[09:32] <StevenK> So just close my merge bug and deal?
[09:32] <ajmitch_> probably
[09:32] <ajmitch_> since it's most likely to be gs at fault
[09:32] <StevenK> ps2pdf refman.ps refman.pdf
[09:32] <StevenK> GPL Ghostscript 8.15: Can't find initialization file gs_init.ps.
[09:33] <ajmitch_> pingus looks reasonable
[09:33] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Told you. :-)
[09:33] <ajmitch_> sure, I trust you :)
[09:33] <Surak> ajmitch_ : talk to who? 'someone' is not that specific :-)
[09:34] <ajmitch_> but I'm always obliged to check things over quickly
[09:34] <ajmitch_> Surak: a MOTU or someone else here willing to help
[09:35] <Kyral> umm, stupid question. Will a module from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules work in /usr/lib/xorg?
[09:36] <Surak> ajmitch_ : there's a patch already posted on the bug . Anyone ?
[09:36] <sistpoty> Surak: currently there is TB-meeting in #ubuntu-meeting... maybe I'll look at it after the meeting
[09:37] <Surak> sistpoty: Ok.
[09:43] <Kyral> Time to do this the hard way....
[09:46] <herve> bye
[09:49] <ajmitch_> StevenK: you should put iterm as uploaded on your wiki page :)
[09:49] <Kyral> wb
[09:51] <Kyral> oh, found a bug in the X package
[10:09] <zakame> early morning all
[10:09] <Kyral> hey
[10:17] <dholbach> everybody have a look at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <ogra> why ?
[10:17] <Kyral> I kinda can't......
[10:17] <dholbach> please
[10:17] <dholbach> do me a favor
[10:17] <ogra> pfft
[10:18] <ogra> ubuntu-motu
[10:18] <ogra> :)
[10:18] <dholbach> :O)
[10:18] <ajmitch_> finally!
[10:18] <ajmitch_> yay
[10:18] <dholbach> :)
[10:18] <ajmitch_> another mailing list to subscribe to
[10:19] <dholbach> tsssssssss
[10:19] <Kyral> very nice
[10:19] <Kyral> I will sign up as soon as I fix X
[10:19] <Kyral> Is anyone else having problems with it?
[10:19] <sistpoty> Kyral: breezy or dapper?
[10:19] <ajmitch_> no, I haven't restarted X for awhile :)
[10:20] <Kyral> Dapper
[10:20] <sistpoty> he, that's why I'm still on breezy, Kyral ;)
[10:20] <ajmitch_> not for a month or so
[10:20] <Kyral> I know terminal is fine, but I can't watch anime in a console
[10:20] <Kyral> ;P
[10:20] <ajmitch_> you don't need to watch anime
[10:20] <ajmitch_> you need to fix packages
[10:20] <Kyral> I'm trying to fix X :D
[10:22] <Kyral> or trying to figure out what is wrong
[10:25] <Kyral> something about the fonts being "unscaled"
[10:28] <ajmitch_> zakame: why add autotools-dev build-dep for eyed3?
[10:28] <ajmitch_> afaict it's the only 'real' change that might be needed
[10:28] <sistpoty> zakame get your key into the keyring (see Uploads on wiki) ;)
[10:29] <ajmitch_> otherwise there are a lot of extra changes (fsf address, capitalisation)
[10:30] <ajmitch_> zakame: and debhelper shoudl still be in Build-Depends
[10:31] <dholbach> everybody sign up on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:31] <Kyral> Sometimes a reboot is best :D
[10:31] <zakame> ajmitch: I based that from the previous merge
[10:31] <zakame> err, ajmitch_ I mean
[10:33] <ajmitch_> ok, and what was the reason given for it?
[10:33] <Kyral> dholbach: I almost forgot I signed up for the Install Guide lol "D
[10:33] <zakame> ajmitch_: actually I had a bit of time with eyed3, since in debian arch: was set to any, while in here its all
[10:34] <ajmitch_> there might be a reason for that
[10:34] <zakame> errr, none mentioned at the changelog :((
[10:36] <ajmitch_> even if it's arch: all debhelper should be in Build-Depends
[10:36] <slomo_> gn8 everybody
[10:36] <zakame> ajmitch_: ok, I'll be revising the debdiff in a while, many thanks :)
[10:37] <zakame> gn8 slomo_ :)
[10:37] <dholbach> night guys
[10:37] <Kyral> cya
[10:37] <lucas> [mailing list]  excellent news :-)
[10:37] <lucas> Kyral: when you have found the page to subscribe, tell me ;)
[10:38] <ajmitch_> night dholbach
[10:38] <Kyral> lists.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <ajmitch_> night slomo_
[10:38] <lucas> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
[10:38] <dholbach> :)))
[10:43] <siretart> hey
[10:43] <Kyral> signed up for the MOTU List :D
[10:43] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[10:43] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[10:44] <zakame> hi siretart
[10:44] <Kyral> hey siretart
[10:44] <siretart> zakame: congrats to motuness!
[10:45] <siretart> hi Kyral
[10:46] <zakame> siretart: thank you! :0
[10:46] <zakame> s#0#)#
[10:50] <siretart> slomo_: and congratulations to main approval :)
[10:59] <minghua> oh we have a mailing list now?  great!
[11:03] <siretart> we have?
[11:03] <Kyral> Yah
[11:03] <ajmitch_> siretart: we have!
[11:03] <siretart> where?
[11:03] <ajmitch_> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
[11:03] <Kyral> lists.ubuntu.com
[11:03] <ajmitch_> same place as the other lists
[11:03] <siretart> YAY! :)
[11:03] <ajmitch_> so now we can describe our drunken antics
[11:03] <ajmitch_> umm
[11:03] <Kyral> lol
[11:03] <ajmitch_> I mean our packagging
[11:04] <zakame> yes, breaking news
[11:04] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:04] <Kyral> Our drunken packaging antics!
[11:05] <siretart> \o/ :)
[11:05] <ajmitch_> who wants to get first post?
[11:05] <Kyral> I am not worthy
[11:05] <ajmitch_> neither am I
[11:05] <Kyral> Yes, but you are more worthy than I :D
[11:06] <ajmitch_> nah
[11:06] <Kyral> yah
[11:06] <sistpoty> where is bddebian when we are in need of him ;)
[11:06] <ajmitch_> he is the only one worthy?
[11:06] <Kyral> and the MOTU Science team started getting bugs assigned to it!
[11:06] <sistpoty> *g*
[11:06] <ajmitch_> you'd better fix them then
[11:07] <Kyral> I will
[11:07] <Kyral> after my exam tonight
[11:07] <ajmitch_> hi lamont
[11:09] <lamont> hi
[11:09] <siretart> hey lamont!
[11:11] <zakame> hello lamont :)
[11:19] <siretart> first post!
[11:20] <zakame> oooh!
[11:22] <siretart> :)
[11:24] <\sh> phew
[11:24] <\sh> congrats bmonty and zakame again for becoming a MOTU :) well done
[11:24] <zakame> \sh: many thanks indeed :)
[11:38] <ajmitch_> oh man
[11:38] <ajmitch_> 'FF 1.5 is out, gimme packages'
[11:38] <Kyral> Yah
[11:38] <ajmitch_> that's asking for pain
[11:38] <Kyral> indeed
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch_: he seems to love pain
[11:41] <Seveas> <ajmitch_> 'FF 1.5 is out, gimme packages' <-- sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser
[11:41] <Seveas> ;)
[11:41] <Kyral> lol :D
[11:41] <zakame> hehe
[11:41] <ajmitch_> Seveas: heh, but this user wants firefox, right NOW!
[11:41] <Kyral> Then he can compile it himself :P
[11:42] <tseng> rc3 isnt cutting it for me dude
[11:42] <tseng> pass the pipe
[11:42] <ajmitch_> nah, this was a breezy user
[11:42] <siretart> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=346926
[11:43] <Seveas> rc3 backported to breezy segfaults for me ;)
[11:43] <Seveas> (yes I had to be a ricer and try it out)


[00:33] <vbrummond> hi I have a question about the stable updates X.org ppa, it seems that the xorg version is higher in Ubuntu Lucid than in the PPA I wondered why
[00:34] <RAOF> I havn't checked, but I'd guess it's because the stable updates PPA grabs the drivers.
[00:34] <vbrummond> I see
[00:34] <vbrummond> no wait, its higher.. ;/ odd I cant seem to update to it, ill figure it out
[00:35] <RAOF> apw: I haven't looked at that bug since I saw it, saw that Colin and you appeared to be on it, and that it looked decidedly kernel-ish.
[00:40] <vbrummond> i think I see I am a bit confused because of metapackages, xserver-xorg-core says a newer version than the ppa is installed, but its essentially the same version
[01:23] <Sarvatt> whoa, 2.6.36-rc1 is an insane amount more responsive than .35
[01:23] <Sarvatt> apw: thanks for patching out comedi so it built!
[01:24] <Sarvatt> thats crazy, updating 31 packages extracting 600mb of lzma archives and the gnome-do dock is still instant
[02:53] <Sarvatt> well my mind is blown, nothing I do with 2.6.36-rc1 slows down the desktop. it hasn't responded anywhere remotely this good since 6.06
[03:04] <Sarvatt> hmm, jockey could probably use an update to offer libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental, trying to activate effects says its not possible unless the nvidia drivers are installed still but works when you cancel it
[03:20] <warewolf> Sarvatt: poke
[03:36] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I don't think we particularly want to offer libgl1-mesa-experimental; does that occur when libgl1-mesa-experimental is installed already?
[03:55] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, why is it more responsive, is it because of those disk activity patches?
[03:55] <bjsnider> is it the scheduler?
[07:38] <knittl> hi guys. my display stays blank after standby. if rhythmbox was playing it plays, but stops after the current song
[13:30] <Sarvatt> darn, 12 hours later i'm getting some heavy swapping going on and it killed the performance, knew it was too good to be true :)
[16:14] <barry> hi folks.  what's the current best recommendation for ati support on maverick?  i have a radeon hd 4670 and cannot install fglrx (bug 573748) from main archive, or the swat or edgers ppa.  the free driver gives me a usable dual-headed desktop, but no gl.
[16:16] <jcristau> "no gl"?
[16:17] <barry> glxgears says: "extension GLX missing on display :0.0"  also no "visual effects" i.e. no compiz
[16:18] <jcristau> i suspect something in your install is broken then
[16:19] <barry> jcristau: i'm sure it is, but i can't suss it out ;).  i was working with #ubuntu+1 yesterday to try many different combinations, without luck.  otoh, it seems like bug 573748 is affecting many other people
[16:20] <barry> but i guess my first question is: should i be using edgers and/or swat ppa or just the main archive?  i think i ran lucid entirely off of edgers, but i'd like to avoid that for maverick if possible
[16:45] <Sarvatt> barry: fglrx doesn't work with maverick and probably wont until the very last minute before release, you need to purge the fglrx package you probably have lying around
[16:58] <barry> Sarvatt: cool, will do.  does it help at all to use the ppas?  i don't mind helping to test things as long as i can get some help when the desktop breaks horribly :)
[17:00] <minimec> barry: the x-edgers ppa has a package called purge-ppa. Be sure to install that one ;)
[17:01] <Sarvatt> nope, but the r600 mesa driver is much better in xorg-edgers than whats in maverick if you find it too slow. ati is notoriously bad about supporting new stuff in fglrx, from what I've read 10.10 will be the first release with any chance of supporting xserver 1.9 and 10.8-10.9 are just supposed to be minor bugfix releases
[17:01] <barry> minimec: oh yes, purge-ppa is my favorite :)
[17:01] <Sarvatt> ppa-purge is in maverick and lucid-backports as well now :)
[17:01] <Sarvatt> (thanks BlackZ!)
[17:02] <barry> Sarvatt: cool thanks.  i think i'll stick with the main archives then and just wait.  thanks for the info!
[17:10] <Sarvatt> heads up to anyone using edgers on intel, if you have a ~/.drirc you need to delete it or manually enable ARB_fragment_shader support in it
[17:11] <Sarvatt> well the people using i915_dri.so that is
[21:13] <Sarvatt> uhoh, nouveau getting ready for a new api? hopefully just declaring 0.0.16 as stable 1.0.0 :) http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=b61e81a191d3a5c269c5f7c40199aebc9ebc034c
[23:12] <penguin42> Have people run the X test suite (xts) recently - and is it normal for it give a load of fails?
[23:12] <penguin42> (I've never run it before so I don't know if it's actually trustworthy)
[23:17] <jcristau> yes
[23:17] <jcristau> and yes
[23:18] <penguin42> hmm thanks for the reply; is there any trustworthy test then that actually checks rendering?
[23:18] <jcristau> what are you trying to do?
[23:20] <penguin42> jcristau: I've got a reliable bug where any 3d rendering on the cirrus card emulated inside kvm is gently screwed up in an odd way - it looks like it's wrongly addressing or something; given that it won't actually be trying to do hardware 3d (because the card doesn't have any) I wondered if there was a way to narrow it down to maybe which operation was broken
[23:20] <jcristau> see, that's a more useful question.
[23:21] <penguin42> jcristau: Well true; but it would be nice if xts worked and passed!
[23:21] <jcristau> for gl, i'd try piglit
[23:22] <penguin42> any 2d ones? I could swear there used to be a 2d x render test many years ago
[23:22] <jcristau> you said the problem occurred with 3d rendering..
[23:22] <penguin42> jcristau: Yes, but since the card doesn't have any 3d support I'm assuming it's one of the 2d opps that the 3d emulation is using
[23:23] <penguin42> 2d seems fine - the odd pixel dropping here or there, but it seemed sensible to try a 2d test if there was one
[23:24] <jcristau> without a 3d driver stuff gets rendered in software by swrast
[23:25] <penguin42> and swrast would just use all the normal 2d back end routines I assume?
[23:25] <jcristau> no
[23:26] <jcristau> well.  not really.
[23:26] <jcristau> swx11 does that.
[23:26] <jcristau> swrast does the rendering itself, and then uses PutImage to display it.
[23:27] <penguin42> ok, so in principal if PutImage is working swrast should be pretty much independent
[23:27] <penguin42> hmm a PutImage screw up would potentially fit the symptoms - it does look like a misrendered image
[23:28] <jcristau> putimage just copies bits around
[23:28] <jcristau> there's no magic there
[23:29] <penguin42> ok, it just looks almost like an image with the wrong depth/width
[23:30] <penguin42> jcristau: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50279619/Screenshot.png
[23:38] <penguin42> hmm cmake, not used that before, still it's pretty
[23:42] <penguin42> jcristau: Ah that's interesting, piglit's sanity check passes even though from the display it's obviously wrong
[23:55] <penguin42> Piglit's sanity test fails on his Hosts Radeon (open source driver/maverick)