[02:02] <michelsedgh> hey guys im using the test, shouldnt my kinfocenter say im on 16.04???
[02:04] <michelsedgh> test version*
[02:05] <mparillo> Mine does, but I started with the daily images (from back before they broke). Did you maybe start with Wily and apply  kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[02:06] <michelsedgh> yeah i did that
[02:07] <michelsedgh> thanks mparillo :)
[02:10] <mparillo> But it does show you upgraded your plasma?
[02:12] <michelsedgh> its 5.5.3
[02:13] <mparillo> Excellent. You successfully upgraded.
[02:14] <michelsedgh> it should show 5.5 cause i upgraded right now...
[02:14] <mparillo> You may get plasma crashes (I did, but I thnk they are all fixed), and you may have to delete your favorite icons in the kickoff menu and re-add them, but I found it pretty trouble-free
[02:14] <michelsedgh> yeah the apt-get update crash is gone :)
[02:15] <michelsedgh> and no need to readd favorite icons ^^
[02:15] <mparillo> That hit me often, as Xenial gets update not just from our team, but base Ubuntu several times a day.
[02:15] <mparillo> Good
[02:15] <michelsedgh> yeah :) thanks to the team, they work hard
[02:16] <mparillo> Yup. They do, and they are all volunteers
[02:16] <michelsedgh> i know :) they have their job, their life and still work on Kde. I really apperciate their work :)
[02:17] <mparillo> Anyway, goodnight from me, and thanks for helping to test.
[02:17] <michelsedgh> good knight :) yw.
[07:08] <soee_> there are some calligra confilcts in updates
[07:31] <vip> hola
[07:38] <soee_> hihoh
[07:55] <nicols> morning!
[07:56] <soee_> hiho
[08:07] <soee_> clivejo: you have been working on calligra ?
[09:04] <yofel> moin
[09:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:39] <yofel> sgclark: for reference, the procedure for getting something uploaded that you cannot upload yourself is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[09:40] <bshah> yofel: morning
[09:40] <yofel> bshah: moin
[09:41] <yofel> oh right, there was the discover thing
[09:41] <bshah> ;)
[09:41] <yofel> let me try to figure out how to merge that into unstable without breaking unstable
[09:41] <bshah> thx :)
[09:43] <bshah> (later, I want to learn to do that myself.)
[09:43] <bshah> especially I couldn't figure out what to do with changelog entries.
[09:43] <yofel> bshah: in this case it's a bit tricky, as you master with my compatibility fixes in _archive, but without my 5.5 changes in _archive
[09:44] <yofel> bshah: you don't add any in the CI branches. End.
[09:44] <yofel> for debian merges in general, there's a git config that invokes dpkg-mergechangelogs
[09:45] <yofel> and who broke kdemultimedia in the archive :S
[09:49] <soee> uhm, plasmashell does not start on enial
[09:49] <soee> plasmashell: error while loading shared libraries: libKF5Screen.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:49] <yofel> wtf
[09:50] <yofel> soee: does dpkg -L libkf5screen6 list the file?
[09:50] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515466/
[09:51] <yofel> wtf?!?
[09:51] <yofel> soee: apt-cache policy libkf5screen6 ?
[09:52] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515476/
[09:52] <soee> english: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515481/
[09:53] <soee> maybe i shoudlnt mix staging and landing ppas
[09:54] <yofel> noo well, something's just plain broken here. But as I keep saying. Don't use staging ^^
[09:54] <yofel> we break stuff in there
[09:55] <soee> hmm, i was using my system thi smorning just fine
[09:55] <soee> and i did not run any updates because of broken calligra packages
[09:55] <yofel> I'll take a look once I'm done with discover
[09:56] <soee> tan i jumped to windows for a while and when i moved back to kbuntu this happend :D
[09:56] <yofel> well, plasma won't crash just because an update removes the lib. It just won't start again once it quits
[09:56] <soee> windows broke my system :<
[09:56] <yofel> heh
[09:58] <soee> brb
[09:59] <bshah> you know, linux have feelings.. you just can't leave linux for windows :p
[09:59] <soee> ok i have my plasma back
[09:59] <soee> i have reinstalled this package
[09:59] <soee> libkf5screen6 from landing ppa
[10:02] <yofel> well, at least the status page shows that libkscreen is broken.
[10:03] <soee> i thought all was green
[10:04] <soee> why we has so many problems with discover ?
[10:05] <yofel> the merges were done inappropriately. So we need to do those now
[10:05] <yofel> which breaks stuff
[10:06] <yofel> discover is partly because what was released in 5.5 was horribly incomplete
[10:06] <yofel> and now we have packaging that is really meant for 5.6, but is hacked together to work with 5.5
[10:07] <yofel> maybe I should just upload a git snapshot after all...
[10:08] <soee> ha :)
[10:08] <mparillo> But we cannot go straight to 5.6 because their final release is too close to ours in April?
[10:09] <soee> we should, 5.5.3 has to many annoying bugs :)
[10:09] <yofel> mparillo: I hope to get that in. But we have lots of changes in our 5.5 packages that I want to have in the archive RIGHT NOW
[10:09] <soee> and picking commits one by one isn't solution here
[10:09] <yofel> so lets get this out, then we can look at 5.6
[10:10] <yofel> we could possibly upload a 5.5.70 snapshot or so before feature freeze
[10:10] <yofel> to get something tested in beta1, as plasma 5.5.95 will be after our beta1
[10:11] <yofel> and just one week before UI freeze, which would make for one hell of a week
[10:11] <yofel> bshah: discover pushed, but I'll probably have to fix a couple other things more
[10:13] <yofel> now to review plasma in general
[10:14] <bshah> lets build discover and see.. :)
[10:14] <acher88> latest update removed okular
[10:14] <bshah> debian/patches/upstream_prevent_misleading_notification.dif needs to be removed...
[10:14] <yofel> oops
[10:14] <yofel> both will
[10:15] <bshah> yofel: I can do that.. :) (patch removal)
[10:15] <yofel> bshah: git rm -r debian/patches
[10:15] <bshah> yeah
[10:15] <bshah> :)
[10:15] <yofel> thanks
[10:15] <yofel> other than that it should mostly just be inaccurate install files I think
[10:16] <acher88> tried to re-install it and followed dep chain and got http://i.imgur.com/nIut7fA.png
[10:16] <bshah> done with patches
[10:17] <acher88> that's on xenial
[10:17] <yofel> looks like an incomplete transition migrated to -release
[10:17] <yofel> or do you have any ppas with okular in it?
[10:18] <yofel> I'm fairly certain everything in the archive was rebuilt for QCA
[10:19] <acher88> ah. no. It's trying to get it from the main archive
[10:20] <yofel> will have to test later, currently I can't even install any updates:
[10:20] <yofel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:20] <yofel>  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins : Depends: kio-audiocd but it is not going to be installed
[10:23] <yofel> sgclark: I'm just looking at merges. Please don't keep duplicate UNRELEASED changelog entries. dpkg-mergechangelogs likes doing that when you merge _unstable into _archive
[10:23] <acher88> update bumped libqca2-plugins (2.1.0-0ubuntu10 => 2.1.1-2ubuntu1)
[10:23] <acher88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515584/
[10:24] <bshah> blargh... mobile CI is broken....
[10:24] <bshah> :!
[10:25] <soee> (:
[10:25] <bshah> 10:25:03 cannot stat ‘debian/tmp/usr/share/kxmlgui5/muonupdater/’
[10:25] <bshah> 10:25:03 : No such file or directory
[10:25] <bshah> 10:25:03 dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/share/kxmlgui5/muonupdater/ debian/plasma-discover-updater//usr/share/kxmlgui5/ returned exit code 1
[10:25] <bshah> uhuh
[10:25] <bshah> :(
[10:26] <bshah> okay, I can fix teh
[10:26] <yofel> right, I didn't get all file paths right
[10:26] <yofel> actually
[10:26] <yofel> you can look in the master branch for the mostly correct paths
[10:26] <yofel> assuming nothing changed in the last couple days
[10:27] <bshah> yeah
[10:29] <yofel> sgclark: also, any package that has debian/tests/ needs to have "XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest" in the control file
[10:29] <yofel> otherwise ubuntu jenkins won't run the tests
[10:32] <yofel> sgclark: If I understand the git behavior right, it looks like the debian folks removed that line by hand in some packages if they took changes from us. So you need to check every time if its there or not as git will just auto-remove it in the merge
[10:37] <acher88> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qca2/2.1.1-2ubuntu1
[10:37] <acher88> 12 hrs ago
[11:10] <yofel> sgclark: actually nvm the testsuite part, I forgot that's for older dpkg versions
[11:18] <michelsedgh> hey, when i logout i get a black screen. i even restart sddm and i cant use VT anymore after that! i have to reboot pressing power button. is it a known bug??
[11:22] <yofel> not that I know of
[11:23] <michelsedgh> hm. its annoying.
[11:24] <michelsedgh> and yofel that sleep thing didnt happen again :)
[11:26] <yofel> michelsedgh: regarding that, yesterday systemd didn't even allow me to shutdown.
[11:26] <yofel> said something like "Aborting action. Action would be destructive"
[11:26] <michelsedgh> wow, never happend to me
[11:27] <michelsedgh> and one thing when i reboot my screen rendering backend automatically goes to Xrender but i never changed to that i always used opengl 3.1!
[11:27] <yofel> :/
[11:28] <michelsedgh> i didnt mention it until yesterday, i saw many of my effects didnt work but i didnt know it changed backend!
[11:29] <yofel> no idea what would cause that. Your best bet is asking mgraesslin during weekdays
[11:30] <michelsedgh> ok thanks :) and another thanks for your work :)
[11:30] <michelsedgh> "hard work"*
[11:54] <yofel> Package: plasma-pa
[11:54] <yofel> Conflict: kmix
[11:54] <yofel> no wonder kmix isn't getting removed
[12:10] <mamarley> I want to keep kmix installed for now because plasma-pa still doesn't let you select the default audio device.
[12:12] <yofel> mamarley: agreed, I just removed the field
[12:12] <mamarley> Thanks :)
[12:17] <soee> yofel: we package calligra or it comes from ubuntu ?
[12:17] <yofel> we do
[12:17] <soee> can you revert the broken upload ?
[12:18] <yofel> which one?
[12:18] <soee> well there are some problems with calligra http://paste.ubuntu.com/14516127/
[12:18] <soee> and it happend tonight
[12:20] <yofel> soee: the upload from yesterday says "  * No-change rebuild against libqca2"
[12:20] <soee> more detailed report: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14516137/
[12:20] <yofel> so that looks like more QCA fallout
[12:20] <yofel> that won't be trivial to fix
[12:20] <soee> what is QCA ?
[12:21] <yofel> some encryption thing
[12:21] <yofel> libqca2...
[12:21] <soee> uhm
[12:22] <soee> ok i will uninstall this suite for now
[12:22] <mamarley> The libqca2 thing in combination with the failed okular build is also blocking a bunch of other updates.
[12:26] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wayland-DnD-Actions
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:54] <soee_> hiho
[13:05] <yofel> sgclark: I just finished the plasma merges. Thanks for working out most of them!
[13:05] <soee_> yofel: so you think we are ready to release 5.5.3 to backports ?
[13:05] <yofel> I'll review frameworks later
[13:06] <yofel> soee_: give me a bit to think about that. But I think we are
[13:06] <soee_> ok, would be cool - a lot of users waits for it :)
[13:06] <soee_> *wait
[13:15] <yofel> hm, there was the sddm session thing I wanted to debug
[13:15] <yofel> but I think it's "good enough"
[13:18] <sgclark> yofel: awesome!
[13:24] <yofel> oh meh, we have our own kde4libs build in ppa-landing which depends on wrong libqca
[13:24] <yofel> fixing
[13:25] <soee_> ;)
[13:39] <mamarley> It is probably worth mentioning here too that the NVIDIA 361-series drivers appear to fix the long-standing bug where Konsole would spin the CPU upon quitting.  361.18 was just copied to ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa. :)
[13:42] <acher88> good. have that bug on main PC with nvidia
[13:43] <BluesKaj> mamarley, for which nvidia series is the 351 driver intended?
[13:45] <mamarley> BluesKaj: 361 will work for all the same cards as 352, 355, and 358, plus a few new ones.
[13:45] <soee_> and 361 works nice here :)
[13:45] <acher88> supported ones are listed here I think http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/361.18/README/supportedchips.html
[13:46] <soee_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_WdEJVxRD0
[13:50] <acher88> mamarley: 361.18 also fixes the kde apps segfault bug you reported on the nvidia forum?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> mamarley, ok , misread your post, my gpu is the low end  8400gs /gt218 which shows on the nvidia site as supported up the 340 driver only ...not having any graphics issues atm, but I was just curious since the 340 is approaching legacy status.
[13:54]  * yofel was still on 355. An update is in order
[13:59] <acher88> I don't like the result of that kdelibs rebuild http://paste.ubuntu.com/14516934/
[14:00] <soee_> yup :)
[14:01] <yofel> I had to fix something in plasma-desktop too. I'll debug again once that's published
[14:02] <yofel> I also just pushed the merge result out to the world, where the p-d breakage came from
[14:02] <acher88> I hadn't noticed plasma hadn't been published in the ppa yet
[14:03] <acher88> shall retry once it is
[14:06] <BluesKaj> I'm getting this error after upgrading from the landing and ci/stable ppas
[14:06] <BluesKaj> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:06] <BluesKaj>  libpam-kwallet5 : Conflicts: pam-kwallet5 (< 4:5.5) but 4:5.4.3+git20151211.1302+16.04-0 is to be installed
[14:06] <BluesKaj>                    Breaks: pam-kwallet5 (< 4:5.5) but 4:5.4.3+git20151211.1302+16.04-0 is to be installed
[14:07] <yofel> give it a couple minutes
[14:07] <BluesKaj> looks like it's trying to install the older 5.4.3 version
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:10] <yofel> try now
[14:11] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:11] <yofel>   kdeartwork-style libqca2v5 plasma-desktopthemes-artwork plasma-widget-kimpanel
[14:11] <yofel> that's ~ok
[14:11] <soee_> obsolate?
[14:11] <acher88> still much breakage in xenial http://paste.ubuntu.com/14517058/
[14:12] <yofel> well, kdeartwork is apps. We'll fix that later
[14:12] <yofel> kimpanel otoh..
[14:12] <yofel> acher88: -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true please
[14:13] <yofel> I don't get that here
[14:13] <yofel> ah, those kdeartwork packages are from kde4 times
[14:14] <yofel> but only debian added the breaks for those
[14:14] <acher88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14517107/
[14:14] <yofel> ah, kimpanel is indeed obsolete
[14:15] <yofel> yay, wall of text
[14:16] <acher88> not pretty
[14:17] <acher88> lol E: Unable to locate package please
[14:18] <acher88> copied too much of your apt line first time
[14:19] <nicols> finnaly here. anything i can help?
[14:19]  * yofel has to go to town for a bit
[14:20] <yofel> acher88: I'll look into this later unless sgclark or someone else isn't faster
[14:20] <yofel> bbl
[14:20] <nicols> i tried to add few widgets via "get new widgets", they install but when i try to place them on desktop i get this;
[14:21] <nicols> Error loading QML file: file:///home/nicols/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.weatherWidget/contents/ui/main.qml:108:5: Type YrNo unavailable
[14:21] <nicols> file:///home/nicols/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.weatherWidget/contents/ui/providers/YrNo.qml:18:1: module "QtQuick.XmlListModel" is not installed
[14:22] <acher88> oddly I have no such breakage on my xenial laptop
[14:23] <nicols> i am on willy backpoerts-landing
[14:31] <nicols> anyone with this problem: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357911 ?
[14:32] <acher88> was mentioned in here the other day. was that you?
[14:33] <acher88> vlc is fine here
[14:41] <acher88> spoke too soon. even xenial laptop give error such as:
[14:42] <acher88> kwin-x11 : Depends: kwin-common (= 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa4) but 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 is installed
[14:42] <acher88> kwin-common : Depends: kwin-data (= 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) but 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa4 is installed
[14:43] <nicols> acher88: yes it was me :) ... yesterday was ok, now it's cropping video again
[14:46] <nicols> it is strange ... native interface uses brezze style and video is cropped. in skinned mode, video is OK
[14:46] <michelsedgh> hey my apt-check was making unlimited proccesses each using 1%-2% of cpu and my cpu was working full, i had to restart. any ideas??
[14:56] <acher88> nicols: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?69537-VLC-video-resize-problem-after-upgrade-to-plasma-5-5
[15:14] <BluesKaj> I tried the nvidia-352 driver which would be the next one up from the 340, but I guess my gpu is getting too old to bother upgrading drivers for, but it still works fine.
[15:19] <acher88> yofel: ppa-purge then re-adding the xenial landing ppa sorted my problems :)
[15:20] <acher88> apart from plasma-desktop-date needing 'apt-get install -f' to nudge it into installing
[15:34] <nicols> acher88: tnx for info! yes, thats how i "solved" it ... but this is partial solution, problem is still there. and i don't like this third party skunning, a would be happier with "breeze everywhere" :)
[15:38] <acher88> perhaps graphics driver related?
[15:39] <acher88> laptop with intel hd3000 has no probs
[15:39] <acher88> yet to upgrade PC with nvidia to 5.5.3
[15:40] <nicols> i am on intel also: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
[15:43] <acher88> is it the same if you suspend desktop effects or change accel method?
[15:47] <nicols> yes
[16:00] <leszek> hi is there any eta on when the kubuntu backports landing contents will land in kubuntu backports ?
[16:01] <sandr0id> hi all,  do I report bugs @kde, or @kubuntu with plasma 5.5.3? (don't worry, nothing major!)
[16:01] <leszek> sandr0id: depends on the bug I guess :)
[16:01] <acher88> depends on the nature of the bug
[16:02] <sandr0id> the splash screen stuck around on boot up - twice now, so I'm thinking it's worth reporting
[16:02] <sandr0id> like i said, nothing major, but I'd rather report it than just complain ;)
[16:03] <leszek> sandr0id: if you have an error message or some sort of debugging output it might be worth reporting that upstream (to kde) directly. Though without that I don't think it might make a lot of sense as the probability that "works for me" answer is pretty high
[16:03] <sandr0id> hmm.. logging for a screen artifact... :P
[16:04] <sandr0id> it may not even be a kde bug come to think of it
[16:04] <leszek> a so a visual bug only ? Most probably a graphical issue with the driver or qt
[16:05] <leszek> but without some sort of log hard to debug
[16:05] <sandr0id> yeah
[16:06] <sandr0id> is there a distinct process for the splash screen? that could help determine if it's purely graphical/visual
[16:08] <leszek> sandr0id: ksplashqml
[16:08] <leszek> sandr0id: you can run ksplashqml --test
[16:09] <sandr0id> I think I have a graphics problem :)
[16:09] <sandr0id> thanks for the tip on the splash screen
[16:24] <nicols> fixed my widgets. installed qtdeclarative5-xmllistmodel-plugin package :)
[18:21] <soee> a lot f problems : http://paste.ubuntu.com/14529379/
[18:55] <acher88> soee: had similar on xenial earlier. ppa-purge then re-adding the ppa seemed to fix 99% of it here at least
[19:36] <clivejo> soee: Ive been playing around with calligra, they are in my PPA
[19:37] <clivejo> !info calligra xenial
[19:37] <clivejo> not my doing
[20:09] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[20:10] <clivejo> hows things?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> good thanks clivejo, how about you ?
[20:11] <clivejo> tired
[20:11] <clivejo> nodding off a bit!
[20:11] <BluesKaj> heh...sleep deprived ?
[20:13] <clivejo> just long day
[20:16] <clivejo> BluesKaj: do you have an android phone?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[20:17] <clivejo> kdeconnect?
[20:18] <DarinMiller> I have both...
[20:18] <clivejo> I packaged 0.9g and would like someone to test it
[20:18] <BluesKaj> yes, i have it working , but only tried to send file from the phone to the pc successfully, not from pc to phone
[20:19] <BluesKaj> files
[20:19] <clivejo> but the version numbers are messed up :(
[20:21] <BluesKaj> my phone is using the older android OS since it's just an alcatel one touch, read "inexpensive"
[20:23] <BluesKaj> i don't use it for much other than a few pics and phone calls ...don't use the data options or texting etc
[20:26] <cjwelborn> Hello. I have a little UI bug going on in my lock screen for Plasma 5 (Breeze Theme, Maui SDDM Theme).The keyboard layout button is always way too small. I found a KeyboardLayoutButton.qml in my sddm breeze theme components (width: implicitWidth). Changing it doesn't seem to affect anything, and I'm not sure were else to look. Where do you go to edit the lock screen? Or the login screen for that matter?
[20:29] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I successfully copied files from my Android phone using Dolphin and puch files to my PC using KDEconnect.
[20:29] <clivejo> DarinMiller: which version?
[20:31] <DarinMiller> clivejo: The touchpad option worked, but the multimedia controls failed to remuse a Clementine playlist and remote volume control did not work.
[20:32] <DarinMiller> resume*
[20:38] <darin_> clivejo: the clipsharing works great!  As for the multimedia option, the adroid KDEconnect under the Multimedia option say No players found.  I have both Amarok and Clementine running.
[20:38] <clivejo> but what version are you running?
[20:43] <darin_> clivejo: sorry, running 0.8 on the laptop.  Is 0.9g uploaded to landing? My update refresh is not seeing it. Where to I find 0.9g?
[20:43] <clivejo> its in my PPA
[20:44] <darin_> Sry, missed that....checking the logs for you ppa....
[20:44] <clivejo> are you on wily or xenial?
[20:45] <darin_> I have both, want me to test both?
[20:45] <clivejo> please if you can
[20:45] <clivejo> just bear in mind the version number is a bit messed up
[20:45] <darin_> np
[20:45] <clivejo> you will probably have to install it manually
[20:46] <clivejo> !info kdeconnect-plasma xenial
[20:46] <clivejo> thats a August 10 snapshot
[20:48] <clivejo> darin_: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+files/kdeconnect-plasma_0.9g-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[20:49] <clivejo> thats xenial 64bit
[20:50] <darin_> clivejo: grt, thx.  testing shortly....
[20:51] <clivejo> you might have to delete the device and repair
[20:51] <clivejo> re-pair
[21:01] <darin_> so much fun! I am using the KDEconnect clipboard sharing to copy from my wiley laptop to my xenial laptp.  I have always shared between phone and PC, but PC to PC is awesome!
[21:03] <darin_> clivejo: my kdeconnect package is 0.8, but the kdeconnect-plasma is 0.9g.  Are these complimentary or should I stomp on the kdeconnect package?
[21:04] <clivejo> where is the 0.8 package?
[21:04] <darin_> xenial
[21:05] <clivejo> did you install the one in my PPA?
[21:05] <darin_> xenial has both packages installed
[21:05] <clivejo> oh I think the kdeconnect is KDE4
[21:06] <darin_> yes, I used the .deb link you posted above.
[21:06] <darin_> yes you are correct. I will stomp on the kdeconnect.
[21:11] <clivejo> can you browse your phone with dolphin ok?
[21:14] <darin_> How do I update my phone?  When attempting to re-pair, the phone says my xenial laptop is using a new protocol version (red text).
[21:15] <clivejo> this is the thing Im trying to figure out
[21:15] <clivejo> what version is it saying is on the phone?
[21:18] <darin_> 0.9e, Nov 13,2015  as per the app store details.
[21:19] <clivejo> kind of ironic !
[21:19] <clivejo> *NOTE for Ubuntu users: The Ubuntu folks are not updating their repos as fast as this app gets updated. Some features will not work if the KDE Connect version in you desktop doesn't match the one in your phone.
[21:19] <darin_> ?
[21:20] <claydoh> i get the same thing  with your package and same android app version as darin_
[21:24] <clivejo> 0.9g is listed as a bug fix release for 0.9
[21:24] <clivejo> so cant understand why the protocol is different
[21:29] <darin_> Not sure it helps us, but my arch box is 0.9g and it connects to the same adroid phone.
[21:30] <clivejo> now thats very strange!
[21:31] <clivejo> darin_: is this it - https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/kdeconnect/
[21:31] <darin_> yes
[21:31] <clivejo> must compare the files
[21:40] <clivejo> bar the locale files, they all look the same, just different location in debian
[21:43] <DarinMiller> werid. No surprise,  same issue occurs on wiley with your deb file....
[21:44] <valorie> bleah, something crashed, so I said report -- and then apport crashed
[21:44] <valorie> I thought they finally fixed that
[22:27] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I tried stomping on the config files in both ~/.config/kdeconnect* and in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeconnect*.  Neither fixed the issues.  Then I tried apt purge kdeconnect* and reinstall you file, still  no help.
[22:28] <clivejo> DarinMiller: thanks for trying.  I dont know what the problem is
[22:30] <valorie> clivejo: I've noticed mine isn't working either
[22:30] <valorie> however, I don't think it's been working for the past few weeks
[22:30] <valorie> perhaps the phone version and your version have fallen out of sync
[22:30] <valorie> so I unpaired for now
[22:31] <clivejo> valorie: it works in arch
[22:33] <valorie> pfff to arch
[22:33]  * valorie will not switch, no never!
[22:34] <valorie> I wonder if it works in the neon-daily
[22:34] <claydoh> clivejo, the stock kdeconnect packaging includes 3 packages: kdeconnect, kdeconnect-plasma, and kdeconnect-plasma-dbg. Your ppa does not contain trhe kdeconnect pakage, and the stock one still exists when upgadring using yours.
[22:34] <valorie> but I don't have time to try that out
[22:38] <claydoh> so methinks the presence of the old package with the new could the causing it?
[22:38] <DarinMiller> valorie: does not work in xenial daily either.
[22:39] <clivejo> maybe I didnt checkout the correct tag
[22:41] <clivejo> claydoh: apparently kdeconnect is the KDE4 version
[22:44] <clivejo> Ill try and look at it again tomorrow
[22:45] <valorie> I've not tried the xenial daily; just updated&&full-upgrade
[22:45] <DarinMiller> OK, I will see if I stumble across something...
[22:45] <valorie> with the ppa-landing
[22:46] <valorie> only problem I'm having in wily is plasma crashes, only one of which I've been able to report as a bug
[22:46] <valorie> lacking some dbg package, but dr.k can't ever find it
[22:49] <DarinMiller> hmmm. Plasma 5.5 is not crashing on my wiley with landing ppa.  Occasionally sound icon disappears but otherwise stable.
[22:49] <DarinMiller> However, the ghost kate session is driving me crazy.
[22:50] <clivejo> kate has fixed itself since I installed kate 15.12.0
[22:51] <DarinMiller> manual compile?
[22:51] <clivejo> staging
[22:52] <clivejo> wonder would the xenial version install on wily
[22:52] <clivejo> you could try I guess :P
[22:54] <clivejo> DarinMiller: I installed kate5-data and kate from here - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/8795038
[22:54] <valorie> DarinMiller: supposedly the apt related Plasma crashes have been fixed, but not for me
[22:54] <valorie> and why it randomly crashes other times; no idea
[22:57] <clivejo> valorie: plasma gremlins
[22:57] <clivejo> nasty wee things
[22:59] <valorie> like the garden gnomes in Harry Potter
[22:59] <valorie> hopefully we get them out of the garden before too long
[23:13] <valorie> just installed and am setting up zanshin from _Groo_'s ppa
[23:13] <valorie> so far, so good
[23:13] <valorie> working with Google calendar
[23:15] <valorie> but I'm not getting how to USE it
[23:15] <claydoh> oookay, I thought I had a borked config or desktop.  I just wasted half an hour that I coul dhave been working lol
[23:22] <valorie> file a bug, claydoh, or find one and comment on it
[23:22] <valorie> please
[23:23] <claydoh> I may once I am no longer cross ;)
[23:26] <snele> claydoh: valorie: right click on desktop>desktop settings> tweaks tab and uncheck secound option :)
[23:27] <valorie> snele: yes, but we shouldn't have to tweak IMO
[23:27] <snele> valorie: I agree
[23:27] <valorie> discoverability is always a problem for KDE software
[23:27] <claydoh> well that's effing logical and intuitive
[23:28] <valorie> precisely
[23:29] <claydoh> valorie: I dunno, since kde 1.x I have usually figure things out fairly quickly, not so this time
[23:29] <snele> it is intrensting that kde now has VDG and all people from VDG agreed that this is ok and logical (hidden handles)ž
[23:30] <snele> !?
[23:30] <valorie> might be good to join in at the VDG level
[23:30] <valorie> because that *to me* is not discoverable
[23:30] <valorie> and thus Not Good
[23:31] <claydoh> hidden hadles are ok, and clic and drag is an improvement imo, just the resize bit is uber stoopid
[23:31] <claydoh> imnsho
[23:31] <valorie> ever since KDE4 Plasma, I've had trouble discovering how to use various features
[23:32] <valorie> it's getting better, and I don't want to see us take a step backward
[23:32] <valorie> I assume that it is a result of more touchscreens
[23:32] <valorie> on a phone or tablet it seems more reasonable to long-touch
[23:32] <valorie> because there are few options there
[23:34] <claydoh> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356549
[23:34] <snele> claydoh: valorie: yofel: do you know will ubuntu ship qt 5.6 in 16.04? that is very important for plasma 5.5 because 99% of bugs are qt bug which are fixed in 5.6 (and not backported to qt 5.5)
[23:34] <claydoh> A  new report may be in  order
[23:35] <snele> bugs like missing systray icons on boot, broken multimonitor support etc are fixed in qt 5.6
[23:36] <yofel> snele: Last I heard the call was: NO
[23:37] <snele> if ubuntu doesn't ship 5.6 than I think providing qt 5.6 in one of kubuntus ppas are the must
[23:38] <yofel> we can backport it, sure.  Just that too many of their tests came up with issues
[23:40] <ScottK> yofel: the deal we had with them was that if they wanted a different Qt version, they'd arrange to install it in /opt and not hold Kubuntu back.
[23:41] <yofel> ScottK: that's not what I heard during the Qt5 for 16.04 planning..
[23:41] <yofel> mitya57: do you know more?
[23:41] <ScottK> Then they're going back on their deal.
[23:42] <ScottK> Talk to slangasek.  He was there when we decided it.
[23:43] <valorie> perhaps write to the TB?
[23:43] <valorie> this is rather important for an LTS
[23:43] <snele> yofel: I am testing manjaro atm because kubuntu 16.04 installer is broken. So I have in manjaro everything the latest stable (plasma,apps,kf,drivers). Plasma 5 doesn't crash but systray goes wild, multimonitor crashes, slow rendering of widgets which pop up from panel etc... all these bugs are fixed in qt 5.6
[23:44] <snele> so I think Kubuntu must ship qt 5.6 or at least make it available through ppa
[23:45] <snele> btw even kde devs say "wait for qt 5.6"
[23:45] <claydoh> ...which would  be one more thing for the kubuntu devs to maintain
[23:45] <yofel> well, we *did* maintain qt4, but qt5 packaging is fairly complex


[14:36] <sudip> a newbie question, I can use requestsync to request a sync. is is the same process to request a merge ?


[19:47] <StephenLynx> 970
[19:47] <TJ-> StephenLynx: besides the PCI CMEDIA card, are there any other PCI devices in there? Also, have you tried moving the CMEDIA card to one of the other 2 PCI slots?
[19:47] <StephenLynx> no other cards besides the graphic and audio
[19:48] <TJ-> StephenLynx: with PCI, moving slots can often have unexpected affects; I've solved many weird issues by juggling cards and PCI slots
[19:48] <StephenLynx> ive moved from the old slot right after installing ubuntu on it this week
[19:48] <TJ-> StephenLynx: reason being sometimes several slots might share the same PCI INT (interrupt) line, whereas other slots won't
[19:48] <TJ-> StephenLynx: worth moving it again as a test do you think?
[19:49] <StephenLynx> will do
[19:49] <darton> if i intsall play on linux why i do not see the program window just if i make alt tab combinatiton and then only by this and if i want to see the program i cant?
[19:49] <TJ-> StephenLynx: from the mobo manual: "When using PCI cards on shared slots, ensure that the drivers support “Share IRQ”"
[19:50] <skinux> How do we enable rewrite for Apache in Xenial?
[19:50] <TJ-> StephenLynx: additionally.. in BIOS settings, Chipset, see if "C1E Support" is enabled and if so, disable it
[19:51] <TJ-> skinux: "sudo a2enmod rewrite"
[19:52] <TJ-> StephenLynx: and under "PCIPnP" ensure "Plug And Play O/S" is yes
[19:53] <TJ-> StephenLynx: on the Power menu, ensure ACPI 2.0 is enabled and ACPI APIC Support is enabled
[19:55] <StephenLynx> i cant find c1e support on chiptset settings
[19:56] <StephenLynx> advanced >chipset only have northbridge configuration and internal graphics
[19:56] <StephenLynx> nortbridge configuration have dram controller configuration, ecc configuration and
[19:57] <StephenLynx> pciex16x something
[19:57] <StephenLynx> plug and play was no, setting to yes
[19:58] <StephenLynx> acpi 2.0 support is enabled, so as acpi apic
[19:58] <kostkon> StephenLynx, that's what pci was build for among other things, plug and pray
[19:58] <TJ-> StephenLynx: sorry, it's Advanced > CPU
[19:59] <StephenLynx> found it and disabled
[19:59] <StephenLynx> rebooting
[19:59] <StephenLynx> didnt fiddle with the cards
[19:59] <StephenLynx> decided to try bios settings before
[19:59] <TJ-> StephenLynx: C1E is known to cause issues because it halts the CPU when it's idle
[20:00] <TJ-> StephenLynx: sorry, when the CPU gets a halt instruction it drops to a very low power mode
[20:00] <StephenLynx> nope
[20:00] <StephenLynx> still muting after a few seconds
[20:01] <TJ-> OK, card move time :)
[20:01] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I don't suppose you have a more powerful PSU you could test?
[20:01] <StephenLynx> nope
[20:01] <StephenLynx> i just bought this used video card on the cheap
[20:02] <StephenLynx> and tacked on this old computer gathering dust
[20:02] <TJ-> StephenLynx: maybe just remove the nvidia and use built-in video then, it would have the same effect of reducing power draw to something the PSU should be able to sustain
[20:03] <TJ-> If none of these ideas help I'm not sure what else to suggest, we're not seeing any clues in the syslog nor from pulseaudio
[20:03] <StephenLynx> im afraid i wont be able to do so, onboard video dont want to work
[20:03] <StephenLynx> hm
[20:03] <BillD73> StephenLynx: havent been following closely, but have you disabled onboard video in the bios regardless of whether it works or not?
[20:03] <StephenLynx> maybe it will when I remove the vga
[20:03] <StephenLynx> i did not
[20:03] <TJ-> StephenLynx: hmmm, audio won't work, video won't work? I'm beginning to think the mobo itself is faulty
[20:04] <StephenLynx> i remember it working when I forgot to plug the power on the vga
[20:05] <TJ-> StephenLynx: internal GPU is Integrated ATI RadeonTM HD 4250 GPU
[20:06] <StephenLynx> ok, its working with the vga power unplugged
[20:07] <StephenLynx> this is weird, now i can change the device being used
[20:07] <StephenLynx> onboard is back
[20:08] <StephenLynx> did the mobo lost its setting?
[20:08] <StephenLynx> it paskered me about bios shit on boot
[20:08] <StephenLynx> regardless, issue persist with unpowered vga
[20:10] <StephenLynx> god damned, it reverted settings
[20:14] <BluesKaj> StephenLynx, in bios peripherals choose the pci gpu instead of the onboard
[20:16] <Henster> hi guys,please help me i need to create more space https://paste.ofcode.org/39HV5gEpKrAHFZCBD9JW47y my system OS is on my sda1 drive , i tried deleting some files on my home directory but still get this - bash: cannot annot ment: No space left ocreate temp file for here-docun device
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Henster: Pastebin the results of terminal commands: ' df -h ; df -i ' see what we have to work .
[20:18] <sebsebseb> Henster: looks ike your trying to delete tempory files and stuff, like Windows, but this is Linux so uhmm,  make sure your partion is big enough. your /
[20:18] <Henster> total 72
[20:18] <Henster> drwxr-xr-x  12 henster henster 4096 Jan 13 19:34 .
[20:18] <Henster> drwxr-xr-x   3 root    root    4096 Jan  5 16:42 ..
[20:18] <Henster> -rw-rw-r--   1 henster henster    0 Jan 13 18:41 badsectors.txt
[20:18] <Henster> -rw-------   1 henster henster 8192 Jan 13 19:39 .bash_history
[20:18] <Henster> -rw-r--r--   1 henster henster  220 Jan  5 16:42 .bash_logout
[20:19] <Bashing-om> !paste | Henster
[20:19] <BluesKaj> Henster, run sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:19] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj:  hmm so ##linux wasn't much good for my issue it seems
[20:19] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: it's really strange
[20:20] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I had the motherboard and hard disk repalced in a hp lap top, and now I can't boot up Live usb's prpoerl of ubuntu or mint icinnmaon mageia 6 even.   goes black wehn trying to boot up a kernel
[20:20] <sebsebseb> yes it's uefi
[20:20] <sebsebseb> system
[20:20] <Bashing-om> !ktpi | sebsebseb Are you affected by the bios corruption ?
[20:20] <Henster> ok i have run this run sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean , and
[20:20] <Henster> /dev/sda1       913G  898G     0 100% /  still full
[20:20] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: no not the news stuff, this is a hp
[20:21] <akik> Henster: you have a lot of your own files on that partition
[20:21] <Bashing-om> !kpti | sebsebseb Are you affected by the bios corruption ?
[20:21] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: I have tried a few versions of ubuntu, mint, and mageia 6. also this lap top used to run Ubuntu and Mageia ok before the hard disk and motherboard got replaced, once i had disabled the secure boot and that
[20:21] <akik> Henster: or either a log file that grows uncontrollably
[20:21] <sebsebseb> I can't load up the live usb properly
[20:21] <sebsebseb> Bashing-om: I don't think this is melt down
[20:22] <Henster> yes i do .. i acendelty copyied stuff to this sda1 but deleted some to clear up space ..
[20:23] <pikapika> Hi
[20:24] <akik> Henster: you can see the disk usage with "sudo du -sk /* | sort -n" and then dig deeper where you see the usage
[20:24] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, how did you creat the usb image ?
[20:25] <pikapika> Is there any method to open files and folders like in thunar within the whisker menu? That is, I type a partial path, the menu displays possible files and folders..., until I type a complete path to a file in which case pressing enter would open the file. Or anything similar to this.
[20:25] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I have treid v arious ways at making usb's,  etecher, refus,  uhmm some  uh what was that latet one uhmm win32diskmanager
[20:25] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: plus as I mentioend earlier it's my old usb's too
[20:25] <sebsebseb> eveything I have treid  to boot up has resulted in same issue
[20:26] <Ezriilc> Greets, ya'all.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, rufus in windows is your best bet
[20:27] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I have done everyhging iwth that
[20:27] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: mbr and uefi,   gpt only etc etc, like every option in that, and still the same problems
[20:27] <BluesKaj> seb unless you have another linux computer that you cna use dd to copy the image
[20:28] <Ezriilc> Does anyone know of specific issues running KODI 17 on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[20:28] <TJ-> sebsebseb: GRUB starts and you can get to it's menu?
[20:28] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: that's what htat win32 manager thing does, basically a dd or whatever
[20:28] <BluesKaj> whatevewr doesn't cut it . has to be dd
[20:28] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes grub starts and I get it's menu on the live usb, but then when I do try ubuntu, or install ubuntu or anything like that, black screen instead
[20:29] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: the othe program does the whole image etc, i was recomended in ##linux earlier, i don't think it's to do with how i have or haven't burnt a usb
[20:29] <sebsebseb> this is happenign with my old usb's as well
[20:29] <TJ-> sebsebseb: have you edited the kernel command line, removed any "quiet splash" and added "debug" ?
[20:29] <sebsebseb> and  a mint mate perssitent usb even that I was given, but that one evenv has memtest on it, and on that one that loads up as well
[20:29] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'm wondering if we can get it to spew some useful info
[20:29] <BillD73> Ezriilc: i dont ahve an issue.. Currently running krypton on my 16.04 lts towe in my living room. feeding all my Pi's via wifi and NTFS
[20:29] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes I treid to put kernel paramaters in those, but issues still
[20:29] <Ezriilc> KODI seems to lock up the whole machine.
[20:29] <TJ-> sebsebseb: also, in firmware settings is "USB Legacy" support enabled?
[20:30] <Ezriilc> BillD73, nice setup.
[20:30] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I have even disabled secure boot only, treidl egacy booto ny for the mint one, and issues still
[20:30] <TJ-> sebsebseb: does the kernel start loading and you see messages and then it panics, or you see nothing from the kernel?
[20:30] <sebsebseb> legacy
[20:30] <JTech> is encryption dangerous? I'm getting a little worried at the thought of encrypting a whole system and then something going wrong and losing everything.
[20:30] <BillD73> Ezriilc: I like it. Had it done on winders, sucd
[20:30] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I see nothing at all just black screen
[20:30] <Ezriilc> The machine locks so tight that no input has any effect.
[20:30] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Do you have a 2nd PC?
[20:31] <sebsebseb> TJ-: not one that works here right now,  except for my gpd win  I guess really or gpd pocket, but those are mini pc's so a bit differnet, but the win can take normal Linux distros, put on there berfore
[20:31] <JTech> I already did it once when an old Windows XP installation decided it wanted to check for updates despite being fine for years, and then since I couldn't log into Windows I couldn't access an encrypted folder.
[20:31] <BillD73> Ezriilc: so you cannot even ssh in?
[20:31] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'm wondering if it purely a video issue, and if you waited long enough you could explore the network with nmap to see if you can detect it
[20:31] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I was going to try booting up a usb there, but  not sure where cable is quite for power, i think would probably load up there
[20:31] <Ezriilc> Well, I haven't tried that... hmmm...
[20:32] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  not sure about video, I mean it's just a intel graphics card in here nothing that fancy, and before my mother board and hard disk got replaced, I had linux on here as well
[20:32] <Ezriilc> But pressing the power button does nothing, gotta hold for a hard shutdown.
[20:33] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, but it's a very different thing between the kernel not starting, or it just not displaying anything but running fine :)
[20:33] <BillD73> i'd tray that after it "locks" and then try an kill kodi and see if it will resume. I would say remove kodi, clear the .kodi/ from your user dir and try a fresh install
[20:33] <sebsebseb> TJ-: Windows works !
[20:33] <TJ-> sebsebseb: is it a dual-boot ?
[20:33] <Ezriilc> Yea, I've actually completely reformatted and made sure of a clean install of KODI 17.
[20:34] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  it used to dual or even multi boot,  windows 8.1 upgraded to 10, and ubuntu and mageia, and yeah,   before a new mother board and hard disk got put in, I already done the windows rubbbish,  upgrading back to  10 from 8.1 adn all tat,  I thought I was ont he Linux stage but then got into these issues uh
[20:35] <sebsebseb> TJ-: putting Linux on is meant to be the fun thing, after all the Windows hassle with updates and re boots and uh, but not this time it seems ah !
[20:35] <TJ-> sebsebseb: so right now the HDD has Windows on, but no Linux, and the Linux LiveISOs on USB can't get past the kernel starting, apparently?
[20:35] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes exactly, and the hard disk should be good to go otherwise, since already Linux windows re size itself too
[20:35] <sebsebseb> alerady let windows resize itself
[20:36] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  when I try and get it to boot up say try ubuntu, or install ubuntu from the grub on the live cd,  the screen just goes black and that's that
[20:36] <BillD73> Ezriilc: so I assume the ubuntu install works without flaw? fully updated etc.
[20:36] <MWM> Well I got amdgpu-pro installed and can log in now.... but ive got another error
[20:36] <Ezriilc> Yes, it seems fine.
[20:37] <TJ-> sebsebseb: this may sounds daft but... maybe in Windows, use a VM to install Linux, and configure the VM to use the host disk? It's possible with Linux hypervisors like QEMU/LVM but not sure about those on Windows. Not sure if VirtualBox supports that, but I've used the VM install method when systems had no DVD and broken USB
[20:37] <MWM> amdgpu_device_initialize: DRM version is 2.50.0 but this driver is only compatible with 3.x.x. Please tell me someone knows how to fix this off the top of their heads? :D
[20:37] <Ezriilc> It's an old 2007 HP machine with an Intel Core Duo.
[20:37] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I think  I read some were before, that something ike that may be possible actsaully, but that seems uh in itself to even try and try
[20:38] <sebsebseb> TJ-: altough I am meant to have some kind of hardware virtulisation too, that can be disabled
[20:38] <sebsebseb> in the uefi bios
[20:38] <sebsebseb> enab led not disable above
[20:38] <BillD73> Ezriilc: memory? large enough swap?
[20:39] <Ezriilc> 4GB, idk about the swap.  I did everything as default.
[20:42] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Let's assume there's a problem with the firmware reading the USB device. So, it boots in UEFI mode, loads the GRUB UEFI module, which draws the menu, uses UEFI services to read the linux and initrd.img files into memory and execute them and ... nothing. So you try using Legacy CSM mode, UEFI-BIOS reads sector 0 of the USB device (which'll be isolinux not GRUB), which reads it's menu.c32 and other
[20:42] <TJ-> files and shows the menu, then tries to read the linux and initrd.img files and ... nothing.
[20:42] <TJ-> sebsebseb: This suggests the mobo firmware is broken in some way
[20:43] <TJ-> sebsebseb: is the mobo using the latest available firmware version?
[20:43] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  that's waht I am wondering if the firmwiere is borken osme how
[20:43] <JTech> do I need to set the boot order in my BIOS before I setup GRUB2 to boot an ISO? ... wait, I changed the order and I was still able to boot into the installed Debian OS... how did GRUB know?
[20:43] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I am not sure if it's the latest I mean I treid to find that out earlier even
[20:43] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  looks like it's quite recent though
[20:43] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I assume you've done factory/default resets of the firmware config?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  but then again the lap top is only about two years old, bought it in 2015
[20:44] <TJ-> sebsebseb: what's the exact make/model printed on it's label?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> TJ-: the restore the bios to hp default setings option, it seems was disababled, so coudn't do that
[20:44] <TJ-> sebsebseb: that sounds broken already
[20:44] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes hold on can get that info from windows
[20:45] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yeah well it's annoying! I sent it off to get fixed, and paid for that even,a nd now all this uh !
[20:45] <sebsebseb> TJ-: you want a name, model and serial number or what?
[20:45] <TJ-> sebsebseb: everything there is :)
[20:46] <TJ-> sebsebseb: not serial # though
[20:46] <sebsebseb> TJ-:   what I am wondering is if the Hp partner company, actsauly put in a replacement motherboard, that has faulty firmwire or something uh
[20:46] <TJ-> sebsebseb: just so I can track down the exact model and check firmware plus known bugs
[20:46] <JTech> do I need the HD with GRUB2 on it to boot 1st if I'm using it to install an OS onto another HD, or is it ok to have it boot last, checking the currently blank drives that will later have OSes on them?
[20:46] <sebsebseb> TJ-: and yes even when I put it into legacy mode in the uefi bios,  it still loaded up that mint cinnnamon one for example or the mageia or whatever in efi mode grub werid
[20:47] <sebsebseb> TJ-: ok so a name and ?
[20:47] <TJ-> sebsebseb: what went wrong with the original? was it dead as in no power? they might not have replaced it and done an incomplete repair; certainly what you've described makes me think the mobo/firmware is broken
[20:47] <BillD73> Ezriilc: honestly man, you might try the Kodi page and see if someone can help ya with it, I had 0 issues getting it up and going. I also have a purpose built tower attached to my 60" tv using hdmi etc..
[20:47] <TJ-> sebsebseb: model number ... they usually have lots of numbers and letters that mean something
[20:47] <Ezriilc> BillD73, can I PM you?  It's busy here.
[20:47] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes  it over heated, woudn't power on eventually, so  they were meant to replace the mother board, and put in a new hared disk to since my old one was out already
[20:48] <Ezriilc> Does SSH need to be enabled in a default 10.40 LTS install?
[20:48] <BillD73> Ezriilc: sure i don't mind since you asked lol
[20:48] <sebsebseb> TJ-: someone i knew from lug tested my old motherobard it would get power in odd places, but not come on
[20:48] <JTech> I tried to search for a GRUB specific IRC channel but didn't see one.
[20:49] <sebsebseb> TJ-: they probably only really tesed with windows, ok it loads, fixed !
[20:50] <TJ-> sebsebseb: fixed?
[20:51] <sebsebseb> TJ-: no it's not fixesd
[20:51] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I meant hp partner company doing a quick job, then being like well windows loads, ok fixed, send back
[20:51] <TJ-> sebsebseb: oh! I see what you did there :D
[20:51] <Hooded> Oh boi
[20:51] <Hooded> why u left
[20:52] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I thought my reputation for kicking hell out of misbehaving systems had frightened it inot submission :p
[20:52] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  HP Pavillion x360 convertiable pc  and it's a touch screen one yeah
[20:52] <BillD73> sebsebseb: i havent been following. But I had a board replaced  for my toshiba, when I couldnt boot i found it to be sata support was enabled in bios... drive was not sata
[20:52] <sebsebseb> TJ-: and you want what the model number ?
[20:52] <sebsebseb> BillD73:  hmm maybe not sure
[20:53] <BillD73> sebsebseb: not to interupt or nothing, jsut a thought
[20:53] <TJ-> sebsebseb: yes, so I can ID the exact specification
[20:53] <sebsebseb> BillD73:  but  yes  they replaced motherobard in hp, and  put in a new hard disk ,done all the windows rubbish, upgrading back from 8.1 to 10 and all that
[20:53] <Fly727s> Hello, World!
[20:53] <sebsebseb> BillD73: thought I was on the fun putting Linux on stage, but got into issues instead !
[20:54] <BillD73> sebsebseb: yes but windows bootloader is not grub.
[20:54] <sebsebseb> BillD73: maybe some setting is enabled that shoudn't be, but it's quite basic this uefi bios in here, and other things seemed to look ok
[20:54] <TJ-> sebsebseb: seems like there's 11.6", 14" and 15.6"
[20:54] <Hooded> Lul
[20:54] <sebsebseb> BillD73: it will load up grub from my usb flash sticks, but not go  past that,  try and load up ubuntu, and it goes black screen, or install
[20:54] <TJ-> BillD73: it is failing to boot Linux from a USB device of any kind, but does start GRUB
[20:54] <sebsebseb> BillD73: siilar stuff for other distros
[20:54] <sebsebseb> TJ-: it's the 14 inch
[20:54] <TJ-> seb OK, let me dig some more
[20:55] <JTech> if lsblk shows my current drive as sdc, taht means I should write my GRUB2 script to point to the ISO at /boot/grml/[xubuntu].iso at (hd3,1) ? (hd3,1) = sdc / ?
[20:56] <JTech> WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN?
[20:56] <JTech> please don't say that
[20:56] <TJ-> sebsebseb: which seems would be "HP Pavilion 11-n000 x360 thru 11-n099 x 360 (Intel)" ? presumably you need to check the 11-n000 against your unit serial #
[20:57] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  no that looks wrong
[20:57] <frostschutz> JTech, the drive letters are random. it might work, but if you want it to be reliable, use UUID
[20:57] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'm almost at the end of this page: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04396211
[20:57] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  and I can give you a model or serial number
[20:57] <JTech> frostschutz, how do I do that?
[20:57] <sebsebseb> TJ-: serial number or product number
[20:58] <sebsebseb> BillD73: so on yours why was other setting on you reckon ?
[20:58] <frostschutz> JTech, or if it's the same drive grub itself is installed to, hd0 should be fine
[20:58] <TJ-> sebsebseb: HP has confused me, I can't tell how they figure out the model numbers!
[20:58] <JTech> frostschutz, oh no, really? ok.
[20:59] <MWM> amdgpu_device_initialize: DRM version is 2.50.0 but this driver is only compatible with 3.x.x. <-- anybody?
[20:59]  * sebsebseb will not buy HP ever again unless really got to, and bugger Dell, Lonovo, Acer, Asus, and all the rest of them too,  I mean anyone that ships with UEFI by default, and Windows :d  and doesn't even care about Linux, I think it's Linux specific from now on unless with valid exceptions
[20:59] <TJ-> sebsebseb: looks like this page is closer: can you ID your model? https://support.hp.com/us-en/products/laptops/x2-x360-hybrids/
[20:59] <BillD73> sebsebseb: I'm guessing do to sata drives becoming a thing... I was still using some old ide 2.5" drives at the time. bios couldnt read the drive properly. heck maybe your usb option is for 3.0 and your using and old drive
[20:59] <JTech> so even though I set the blank SSD and HDD to boot first, which I'm going to install a new OS onto, GRUB2 will find the ISO by hd0 relative to itself?
[21:00] <sebsebseb> unforutnatlly proper pre installed Linux lap tops by default, usaully cost more too, and lack touch screens as well for example
[21:00] <BillD73> sebsebseb:  though i would assume backwards compatibility there..
[21:01] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I've got an Asus T300CHI touch convertible tablet/notebook; I've been quite pleased with it
[21:01] <sebsebseb> TJ-: the product number is: MOR72EA#ABU  or accoding to this hp  program anyway
[21:02] <sebsebseb> TJ-: right but asus don't re install linux, i was happy enough with this hp when it uhmm wasn't over heating, or refusing to poewr on, or or uhmm well these recent issues
[21:02] <TJ-> sebsebseb: that model # comes up with "HP Pavilion Notebook - 15-ab254sa"
[21:03] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yeah it might be 15 inch actsaully
[21:03] <sebsebseb> hmm
[21:03] <streaky> i'm finding the discussion a tad hard to follow but you know there's a pavilion x360 recall right? they released a bios update to murder battery charging on them because they catch fire
[21:03] <TJ-> sebsebseb: doesn't look like a convertible from the user manual illustrations!
[21:03] <sebsebseb> streaky: a re call oh ?
[21:03] <streaky> https://batteryprogram687.ext.hp.com/en-US/
[21:03] <JTech> if running update-grub doesn't show that it found my ISO, does that mean I did it wrong?
[21:04] <sebsebseb> TJ-: well can move the screen around onto the keyboad, and make it go in a sort of tablet mode
[21:04] <TJ-> sebsebseb: folds back you mean?
[21:05] <JTech> well I tried both (hd0,1) and (hd3,1) and still no change.
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky: ok thats interesting
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky:  loooks like my lap top is one of the effected ones then ?
[21:05] <streaky> possibly
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky: I did mention how it over heated and that at the beginnign dind't i or uhmm
[21:05] <JTech> oh wait. I bet it's because setting up a menuentry failed. because Debian doesn't have grml-rescueboot.
[21:05] <sebsebseb> streaky: yeah this one acgtsaully over heated a lot at the begining, when it was new as well !
[21:06] <sebsebseb> streaky: I contacted them about that but uselsss, I told them about that when I sent it off for repair
[21:06] <sebsebseb> streaky: still had to pay
[21:06] <streaky> weird
[21:06] <sebsebseb> streaky: since out of warranty
[21:06] <JTech> wait ... isn't editing the /etc/grub.d/40_custom file an ALTERNATIVE to creating a menuentry with grml-rescueboot??
[21:07] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I think I finally found it: https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Pavilion-15-bk000-x360-Convertible-PC/10862175
[21:08] <TJ-> sebsebseb: apparently there's a known issue, you should read it (affects Windows with a blank screen too!) https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-pavilion-15-bk000-x360-convertible-pc/10862175/document/c03518165
[21:09] <sebsebseb> streaky: ok I had no dea aabout that, so interesting
[21:09] <sebsebseb> streaky: and there's a little program I can downloado n your link to see if I got a bad battery or not
[21:09] <TJ-> sebsebseb: also, "... he notebook screen display might remain black when there is a corrupted graphics driver or a problem with the LCD display back light. To test the display, attach an external monitor and restart the computer .."
[21:09] <JTech> it's strange. my grub device.map shows the drives listed differently than Debian's lsblk results. I wonder what I'm supposed to do...
[21:10] <JTech> I wonder if it's ok to just try randomly
[21:10] <TJ-> sebsebseb: step 3 of that known issue details a boot-time hot-key combination to reset/recover the BIOS
[21:10] <sebsebseb> TJ-: bkooo ? that doesn't seem right
[21:11] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Well, if you can find the correct page...! HP numbering is terrible
[21:11] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  windows works on here
[21:11] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I got a little hardware info on the back or under it, but could lose irc conneton I guess if trrying to go to that hmm
[21:12] <sebsebseb> TJ-: altough I also texted someone my info the other month soh mm actaully
[21:12] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, but the same symptom could be  affecting Linux
[21:12] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I can get some info from that maybe too and that phone isn ear me
[21:12] <JTech> loopback loop (hd0,1)$isofile I tried hd0, hd1, hd2, hd3. none of them change the results of what upgade-grub find. this is really discouraging. I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
[21:12] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  andn ow streaky  got me curious about the battery issue to
[21:12] <sebsebseb> streaky: I don't feel that supprised if there's a possible battery issue, this lap top was never that great really
[21:13] <sebsebseb> it had certain issues to begin with as I mentioned above over heating on like day two or whatever etc
[21:13] <TJ-> sebsebseb: have you run a system test at boot time?
[21:13] <sebsebseb> but when it worked enough,  it  loaded up linux to etc
[21:13] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  which system test ?
[21:14] <TJ-> sebsebseb: "Hold the power button for at least five seconds to turn off the computer." ... power on, immediately press Esc repeatedly, about once every second. When the menu appears press F2, click System Tests, then click Fast Test, click Run Once
[21:14] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  no not done a test like that
[21:14] <streaky> i wub my envy x360
[21:15] <JTech> is there a way to check where loopback loop (hd0,1)$isofile is looking? I know in GRUB2 prompt I can look that way. I wonder if I can do the same from Debian. Probably not.
[21:15] <willian> hi
[21:15] <sebsebseb> streaky: what was that?
[21:15] <sebsebseb> willian:  hi
[21:16] <willian> brazilian newbye
[21:16] <akik> JTech: you can check it in the grub prompt with "ls"
[21:17] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  oh info on ah no text info not going to work now, getting from phone
[21:18] <TJ-> JTech: "(hd0,1)" looks like the wrong syntax; it should be either "(hd0,msdos1)" or "(hd0,gpt1)"
[21:18] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  and to dark to see info on lap top
[21:21] <sebsebseb> streaky:  TJ-  ok batteyr progarm said my batteyr is ok, also it has our wanted details
[21:22] <sebsebseb> TJ-:   HP Pavilion x360 Convertible PC
[21:22] <akik> TJ-: maybe it's older grub that used that syntax (hd0,1)
[21:22] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  serial number 5CD5172296
[21:22] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  product number  M0R72EA#ABU
[21:22] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, and the overall name doesn't describe which variant it is, that's the problem
[21:22] <axel09> hi group
[21:23] <sebsebseb> TJ-: it's the 14 inch one i tink
[21:23] <sebsebseb> think
[21:23] <TJ-> sebsebseb: ok, so that is a 13" @ https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-Pavilion-13-a200-x360-Convertible-PC/7527803/model/7851562
[21:24] <sebsebseb> TJ-: a203na yeah that looks right
[21:24] <JTech> is there a reason Xubuntu would just start stalling on booting up / turning off, and be unable to access any internet, including updating itself?
[21:24] <JTech> the internet isn't out.
[21:25] <TJ-> sebsebseb: latest firmware: "F.37 Rev.A 17.6 MB Nov 20, 2017"
[21:25] <TJ-> sebsebseb: so probably you don't have that. if you don't do an update from Windows. https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-13-a200-x360-convertible-pc/7527803/model/7851562
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  an upadate for what ?
[21:26] <TJ-> JTech: stall would be caused by systemd waiting for the network-online.target to complete if the network isn't available
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  oh the firm wiere
[21:26] <TJ-> sebsebseb: for the firmware :)
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yeah i looked at that, but
[21:26] <sebsebseb> TJ-: it looks odd
[21:27] <sebsebseb> since it was something rev 5
[21:27] <sebsebseb> on here
[21:27] <TJ-> sebsebseb: right, so several versions behind
[21:27] <sebsebseb> TJ-:  well its meant to be the same as 2015 when i got lap top
[21:27] <sebsebseb> a replacement motherboard not upgrade
[21:28] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Get the most recent firmware installed, it's the obvious culprit
[21:28] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I am a bit hmm to trying to upgrade the bios firemwire as well in  case something goes wrong with that
[21:30] <adman120> is there a way to delete all non factory packages?
[21:31] <JTech> oh no.... I think the internet problem is because I used two long ethernet cables and somehow it's making the connection unreliable. I plugged it into 2 shorter cables and the internet's fine. T_T
[21:32] <BillD73> JTech: how longs to long? I once set my neighbor up with access to my internet witha  200' cat 5 lol
[21:34] <martijnluka> Niceee
[21:34] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I gurss updating the firmewire would  put it back to some nice defaults hough if it works hmm
[21:36] <TJ-> sebsebseb: I'd expect it to fix all the problems you're seeing
[21:37] <sebsebseb> TJ-: maybe, but why am I having the problems in the first place ?
[21:37] <JTech> BillD73, either it's an issue because I'm connecting two long cables together with a connector, or it's possible one of my cables is damaged.
[21:37] <sebsebseb> TJ-: also why does hp list the firmwires in a odd way or to me, n ot name of bios uefi firmwiere and rev wahtever, like it says in it
[21:38] <JTech> even though I'm currently using the same connector between cables, maybe it contributes to weakening the signal, where an equal length of a single cable wouldn't have this problem.
[21:38] <TJ-> sebsebseb: Ask HP. Use Windows, I'm sure the update won't apply if it doesn't match
[21:38] <BillD73> ahh, yeah I used only a single cable. we even used to quake together over it lol
[21:39] <TJ-> JTech: Cat5 should be good up to 100 metres (that's required by the specification)
[21:39] <sebsebseb> TJ-: or maybe it'x like what BillD73  pt earlier, some odd setting is turend on that shoun't be or something
[21:39] <JTech> TJ-, why is the format of my GRUB2 script wrong if the one you suggested doesn't match the site I'm using? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Creating_the_GRUB_2_Menuentry
[21:39] <TJ-> sebsebseb: the fact you cannot do a factory/default reset suggests it's broken
[21:40] <sebsebseb> TJ-: yes seemed that was disabled when I was looking earlier as I put
[21:41] <TJ-> JTech: why not just install "grub-imageboot" and put the ISOs in the /boot/grub/images/ directory?
[21:42] <JTech> TJ-, because I'm doing this on Debian. {in before "go ask #debian" and then have them tell me "go ask #ubuntu because it's an ubuntu ISO"}
[21:42] <sebsebseb> TJ-: I gues updating the bios shoudn't hurt relly
[21:42] <sebsebseb> TJ-: or re installing if it was the latest, which it probably isn't
[21:43] <TJ-> JTech: actually, the default path for grub-bootimage set in /etc/grub-imageboot is /boot/images?
[21:43] <JTech> oh does debian have grub-imageboot?
[21:43] <JTech> I'm surprised. so far I've been finding Debian has nothing alike Ubuntu
[21:43] <TJ-> JTech: Ubuntu inherits all Debian packages
[21:43] <TJ-> !info grub-imageboot | JTech
[21:44] <TJ-> JTech: also see https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/grub-imageboot
[21:44] <JTech> like Debian doesn't have grml-rescueboot or grub-n-iso_multiboot
[21:44] <pikapika> There is the "Search Actions" in the Whisker menu settings where I added a pattern for opening a file/folder in thunar. But of course it doesent display the items in the menu itself, and nor does suggest for partial paths
[21:44] <pikapika> Is there any other way?
[21:45] <JTech> unable to locate package grub-bootimage. of course.
[21:45] <TJ-> JTech: Debian does have grml-rescueboot: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/grml-rescueboot
[21:45] <JTech> is it because my Debian is 2 years out of date?
[21:46] <JTech> what the hell?? grml-rescueboot looks like it's existed in Debian since 2011! why the hell can't I find it in the package manager??
[21:47] <JTech> better go ask Debian
[21:51] <sebsebseb> TJ-: ok now I know which UEFI bios I got yes it's old
[21:52] <sebsebseb> TJ-: now
[21:53] <Matenz10> Hey
[21:55] <Matenz10> Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
[21:55] <Bashing-om> !ask | Matenz10
[21:57] <tomte> hi, can anybody help me with non existing sound on a lenovo t40p  I think the problem starts here: https://pastebin.com/5Fx4GVyq
[21:59] <TJ-> tomte: is the built-in audio device disabled in the firmware's setup options?
[22:00] <tomte> TJ- you mean in the bios? I have to check...
[22:01] <TJ-> tomte: Yes, most systems now don't have BIOS, they have UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface)
[22:03] <tomte> TJ- no such option about audio in there
[22:05] <JTech> Debian won't update. I don't know if that's WHY I can't find packages to make this task easier, but I can't get anything done.
[22:05] <JTech> I was told: The boot process isn't that hard. Personally, the way I'd do it is to make use of the fact that debian derivatives keep symlinks to the newest kernel and initrd, and add into /etc/grub.d/40_custon a menuentry for it, making use of those files,  /initrd.img and /vmlinuz
[22:06] <TJ-> JTech: it would seem so. fix the network, fix Debian
[22:07] <JTech> TJ-, I want to go on as few side-tracks as possible. this is gruelling. I got 5 hours of sleep and I don't know what I'm doing even if I were fully alert.
[22:07] <JTech> I don't know what's wrong with it
[22:08] <JTech> everything's working against me. my motherboard is defective because Gigabyte motherboards have a wide-spread issue of not booting USB. After spending a whole day torturing myself thinking I wasn't writing the ISO to the USB flash drive properly I only then find that out.
[22:08] <JTech> Now Debian is fighting me.
[22:08] <JTech> I just want to install this Xubuntu and go back to normal. T_T
[22:10] <JTech> I wonder if getting a used desktop PC and then upgrading the video card and RAM would be better than custom selecting the motherboard and CPU and having to pay for Windows.
[22:12] <JTech> my internet might go out as I update Debian.
[22:15] <JTech> uhg. maybe not. $270. for only 4GB of RAM.
[22:16] <JTech> I mean I guess the case is included but...
[22:17] <lupulo> hi
[22:17] <JTech> I like how people say "just get a refurbished computer. you can get one for $500 or less" of course there's no keyboard, mouse, monitor, or tax. at that point why not just buy custom parts and get something good.
[22:17] <lupulo> i try install pycaffe, but it's not possible from apt repository .
[22:18] <comarius> irc://irc.xerologic.net/ULTRA-XERO
[22:24] <JTech> I saw a $100 desktop PC with Windows 7. I wonder if that's like getting a low power desktop PC for a few $10s
[22:25] <JTech> I don't know how much Windows actually costs
[22:26] <JTech> did update just delete my bookmarks? that'd be funny.
[22:26] <lupulo> JTech was it a gameboy with windows inside?
[22:26] <JTech> lupulo, Dell.
[22:30] <pikapika> Is it safe/recommended to add folders to root?
[22:31] <lupulo> pikapika.. explain safe?
[22:31] <pikapika> I have a dualboot, and I want to add symlinks for my non Linux ntfs drives in root
[22:31] <lupulo> JTech, lifemax of VANT is cheap too
[22:31] <pikapika> In fstab I have mounted them on /media, and also have sym link shortcuts in ~ directory
[22:32] <pikapika> But typing ~/X is a bit strainful compared to /X
[22:33] <pikapika> lupulo
[22:36] <JustAPerson> In 17.10 it seems like you can't set the lock screen timeout without requiring the screen to blank for power saving? What if I want the lock screen to display on my monitor instead of the power saver mode
[22:39] <lupulo> xscreensaver-command JustAPerson
[22:45] <lupulo> pikapika, if you use a normal user and you use sudo for the commands , why do you need the root folder?
[22:45] <avatar> hello
[22:45] <avatar> ;)
[22:45] <pikapika> Just a convenient place to store a shortcut
[22:46] <pikapika> The actual drives are  normal access area
[22:47] <pikapika> Basically, as I said its a dual boot. So to easily access the Windows drives I have symlinks placed in home directory. But typing ~ is a bit painful, so itd be nice if the shortcut can be stored more conveniently in /
[22:47] <avatar> is there anybody from USA? i have got a small issue and i need some help
[22:47] <JTech> is there any guide on setting up encryption? oh boy. I don't know if I should.
[22:47] <pikapika> Or maybe I should just fstab it to / folder
[22:48] <pikapika> Which approach would be better? Symlink or just mount it on say /X in fstab?
[22:50] <JTech> if I'm using an SSD I wonder if there's a higher risk of complication using encryption.
[22:53] <lupulo> pikapika, look examples with  man mount.ntfs-3g
[22:53] <pikapika> Ok
[22:56] <JTech> do I want LVM with encryption?
[22:57] <lupulo> pikapika, look here https://sourceforge.net/p/ntfs-3g/mailman/ntfs-3g-devel/
[22:58] <pikapika> Ok, it seems like a way to mount devices to file system locations. That I understand, and since these are permanent have already done via fstab. What I meant is, is it advisable to make the mounting point at root? Ie say setting /somename as mount point
[22:58] <pikapika> Instead of like /media/somename
[23:03] <JTech> where do I search for a simple explanation of encryption when installing before I actually go and do it?
[23:07] <akik> pikapika: it's totally up to you where you put the mount point
[23:08] <pikapika> Of course I know that, but I was asking if it could have any problems/sideeffects if I mounted it at root. I guess since no one said anything about it, it should be okay. I hope...
[23:08] <akik> pikapika: no side effects for that (/)
[23:09] <pikapika> Ok
[23:09] <pikapika> Thanks
[23:15] <akik> pikapika: i meant /X not / but i think you got it
[23:15] <pikapika> Yes thanks
[23:16] <MrArmStrong> .
[23:19] <alex29> how to use this chat?
[23:20] <strive> alex29: If you're in need of support for an Ubuntu system, just ask :)
[23:20] <strive> Doh.
[23:22] <Guest58246> im new in linux world, i like it more than windows, but sometimes i need windows, is not possile to use linux 100%? or maybe is because i dont master the os yet
[23:23] <Bashing-om> Guest58246: In my case, Windows free sonce 2009 :)
[23:23] <kermyt> it is very possible to use 100% Open Source software
[23:24] <kermyt> as ong as you ignore firmware
[23:24] <Guest58246> thanks
[23:28] <JTech> I managed to get the ISO to boot in GRUB2, but...
[23:28] <JTech> Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system”
[23:28] <JTech> and it's not on USB or an optical drive.
[23:29] <MrArmStrong> @Guest58246, what is it that you need to use Windows for still?
[23:30] <Guest58246> in my business, for example, sometimes i need to watch my ip cameras on my laptop with internet explorer or using aspel software, its a software for manage my business, but i dont like windows
[23:30] <JTech> ls
[23:30] <Guest58246> its really slow, virus, i dont like it, so if i study more linux is possible to forget windows right
[23:31] <Guest58246> like kermyt told me as long as i ignore firmware
[23:31] <MrArmStrong> well firmware isn't windows anyways...
[23:32] <MrArmStrong> but I get your meaning. So are your cameras controlled by some Windows only software?
[23:32] <Guest58246> sometimes i use virtualbox
[23:33] <Guest58246> but i like linux, i will keep improving my linux skilss
[23:33] <MrArmStrong> there you go, you'll get it
[23:33] <Guest58246> thanks
[23:36] <kermyt> firmware is not windows but it it also not OSS.
[23:36] <kermyt> not generally anyhow
[23:37] <kermyt> I look forward to a day when even my computers BIOS is OSS.
[23:46] <trumpOn420> you'd need open source hardware
[23:52] <JTech> Error when installing: “unable to find a medium containing a live file system”
[23:52] <JTech> how do I check the GRUB2 stuff to see if the program I ran in Debian included Casper or whatever it's called that's needed to read the ISO?
[23:58] <lupulo> JTech, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293
[23:58] <lupulo> section 6.
[23:59] <oerheks> lupulo, he has the isoboot wiki too
[23:59] <oerheks> anyway, he runs debian, so..


[01:41] <rob> hi guys, anyone around?
[01:54] <rob> no?
[02:02] <AviF> hello
[02:05] <rob> dang
[02:13] <klepas> moin
[02:13] <rob> hi klepas
[02:13] <rob> did mdke get in contact with you guys regarding the book covers?
[03:13] <klepas> no
[03:13] <klepas> should he have?
[03:14] <rob> I think he might have emailed your mailing list?
[03:15] <klepas> oh
[03:15] <klepas> i haven't had access to the mailing lists for about 8 days
[03:15] <klepas> i'm away from home and away from that email address I use for that account
[03:16] <rob> oh, well I just posted something similar on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166133
[03:17] <klepas> chance you have the mailing list archives link incase mdke wrote something on that>
[03:18] <rob> I'll take a look
[03:18] <klepas> btw
[03:18] <klepas> very cool
[03:18] <klepas> i'd be happy to do those covers
[03:19] <rob> one of our guys has been playing around and produced something ok, but we would really like to let the art team have a say
[03:19] <klepas> sure
[03:19] <klepas> chance i could have a look at the work so far?
[03:20] <rob> yes, hold on
[03:20] <klepas> if there is previous work i'd prefer to incorporate it/work from that in respect to the author
[03:20] <rob> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png
[03:20] <klepas> chances are whoever did is on the right track already
[03:20] <klepas> mhh
[03:20] <klepas> interesting concept
[03:20] <klepas> i can work from that idea
[03:21] <klepas> with the fading logo
[03:21] <rob> cool :)
[03:21] <klepas> what is your deadline?
[03:21] <klepas> btw
[03:21] <klepas> let's move over to ubuntu-doc for this
[03:21] <rob> ok
[08:08] <Madpilot> ah, there is an -artwork channel...
[08:48] <klepas> there sure is
[08:49] <klepas> whether it is active or not is an entirely different paradox...
[08:49] <klepas> ;)
[08:49] <klepas> Madpilot: how can we help you?
[08:55] <klepas> be back later today
[10:29] <lapo> hi


 Any voice Assistant for Kubuntu
 I am Try to Install Mycroft in my kubuntu i am getting this output
 Getting requirements to build wheel ... error
   ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1:
    command: /home/vibhu/Desktop/mycroft-core/.venv/bin/python3 /home/vibhu/Desktop/mycroft-core/.venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/_in_process.py get_requires_for_build_wheel /tmp/tmp432l2fgx
        cwd: /tmp/pip-install-fse0__8m/PyYAML
   Complete output (54 lines):
 Anyone installed hyprland?
 I got tired by installing it but still didn't make it ,
 Too many errors , pls help
 Yes..use Jakoolit script, easy :)
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:59] <ALFcl> Hello
[15:01] <evan_> hello
 How i can Create a partition to install docker mac
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[20:50] <imonfrini> ciao