[13:52] <vibhav> The DMB meeting is today, right?
[13:52] <vibhav> s/today/after 8 minutes/
[13:56] <tumbleweed> yesu
[13:58] <vibhav> And barry is the chair?
[13:59]  * coolbhavi wishes all the best to vibhav
[14:01]  * vibhav hugs coolbhavi
[14:01] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[14:01] <Laney> hello
[14:01] <micahg> o/
[14:02] <vibhav> o/
[14:02] <tumbleweed> we need at least one more to be quorate
[14:02] <Laney> bdrung and stgraber already apologised
[14:03] <vibhav> barry aint here
[14:03] <Laney> barry isn't even online
[14:03]  * Laney grumbles
[14:03] <tumbleweed> probably has no power
[14:03] <tumbleweed> washington...
[14:03] <vibhav> :(
[14:04] <Laney> 02/07 15:03:55 -!-  idle     : 4 days 16 hours 20 mins 22 secs [signon: Mon Jun 25 15:13:30 2012]
[14:04] <micahg> laney is first anyways
[14:04] <Laney> cody
[14:04] <Laney> still not quorate for that
[14:06] <vibhav> So, what do we do then?
[14:08]  * Laney grumps at cody-somerville
[14:09]  * vibhav waits
[14:10] <Laney> right
[14:10] <Laney> we're going to go ahead and collect any remaining votes we need over email
[14:11] <Laney> #startmeeting
[14:11] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul  2 14:11:10 2012 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:11] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:11] <Laney> #subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[14:11] <Laney> ?
[14:11] <micahg> no
[14:11] <Laney> #action micahg document the zentyal packageset
[14:11] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg document the zentyal packageset
[14:11] <Laney> carried!
[14:12] <Laney> #subtopic invitation to appear before the CC on 5 July
[14:12] <Laney> can people be there?
[14:12] <tumbleweed> yeah, I probably can
[14:12]  * Laney too
[14:12] <tumbleweed> do we have anything on our minds to raise with them?
[14:12]  * micahg should be able to be there
[14:13] <Laney> foreshadowing, maybe we can ask about the six month thing
[14:13] <Laney> see if we are in line
[14:13] <micahg> well, there's the issue of PPU not counting for Ubuntu membership
[14:13] <Laney> we don't even have agreement from the dmb that we want that, but we could ask for their guidance.
[14:13] <micahg> err, not granting, it should count towards it
[14:14] <tumbleweed> we should at least tell them thaht it concerns us, and how we are dealing with it
[14:14] <Laney> #action everyone try and be at CC meeting July 5th 17:00 UTC
[14:14] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone try and be at CC meeting July 5th 17:00 UTC
[14:14] <micahg> ok, I'll start a thread on the list then to see if we can get some type of consensus before then
[14:14] <Laney> d-m-b@ or -devel@ or?
[14:15] <tumbleweed> I'll dig up the transcript of the last such meeting
[14:15] <micahg> d-m-b@ for not
[14:15] <micahg> *now
[14:15] <Laney> ok
[14:15] <Laney> #action micahg to start a discussion on dmb@ about whether PPU should confer membership
[14:15] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to start a discussion on dmb@ about whether PPU should confer membership
[14:15] <Laney> onwards
[14:15] <Laney> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application: Vibhav Pant
[14:15] <Laney> vibhav: introduce yourself quickly please
[14:15] <vibhav> sure
[14:16] <vibhav> I am Vibhav Pant, age 14
[14:16] <vibhav> I have been using Ubuntu since the age of 9, and was contributing eariler to Ubuntu by translations
[14:16] <vibhav> I was introduced to Ubuntu Development by dholbach by the fix it friday initiative
[14:17] <vibhav> And immediately fell in love with Ubutnu Community
[14:17] <vibhav> I am currently working on NBSes, merges , upstream changes and SRUs
[14:17] <Laney> thanks
[14:18] <vibhav> My Application can be seen at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant/UniverseContributorApplication
[14:18] <Laney> who wants to go first? I suggest we use "o/" and "..".
[14:18] <Laney> oh yes, I should have linked that.
[14:18] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:18] <Laney> go
[14:19] <tumbleweed> vibhav: you're a fairly recent contributor, essentially applying for membership through ubuntu development
[14:19] <vibhav> tumbleweed: Yes
[14:20] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers describes a requirement for "significant and sustained contributions" which is normally understood as 6 months
[14:20] <tumbleweed> have you been developing on ubuntu for that long?
[14:20] <vibhav> nope
[14:20] <tumbleweed> were you aware of that requirement?
[14:20] <vibhav> nope
[14:20] <ikonia> I'm sorry that is not true
[14:21] <ikonia> other membership boards have made it clear the "sustained requirements" period minimum
[14:21] <micahg> vibhav: I told you about that in #ubuntu-motu
[14:21] <vibhav> micahg: yeah, I forgot
[14:21] <vibhav> So, please continue
[14:21] <IdleOne> o/
[14:22] <tumbleweed> .. for now
[14:23] <Laney> o/
[14:23] <Laney> vibhav: please explain https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant/UniverseContributorApplication?action=diff&rev1=46&rev2=47 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant/UniverseContributorApplication?action=diff&rev1=44&rev2=45
[14:23] <IdleOne> I would just like to reiterate my comments that were also made at a precious Regional membership board meeting. I do not think vibhav is mature enough to be considered for Ubuntu membership. He lacks the necessary "team spirit" this community is built on. I strongly suggest his application be rejected until he can show more of the needed qualities. I am also concerned with the recent changes that were applied to the wiki page i.e comments
[14:23] <IdleOne> being removed.
[14:23] <IdleOne> s/precious/previous/
[14:24] <vibhav> Laney: restored
[14:24] <tumbleweed> IdleOne: thanks for bringing it to our attention
[14:24] <IdleOne> My pleasure.
[14:24] <Laney> I know that micahg put it back again.
[14:24] <Laney> I'm concerned about why you thought trying to hide it from us was appropriate.
[14:24] <vibhav> sorry
[14:26] <Laney> We might have been able to have a discussion about the content of the comment, but that is now overshadowed by this, IMHO.
[14:26] <vibhav> I agree, that was really stupid of me
[14:26] <ikonia> it's not the first time you've done it
[14:26] <tumbleweed> yeah, one of the most important things I'm looking for in a prospective Ubuntu developer is trust from other developers
[14:27] <ikonia> this whole telling lies thing is getting to be a real insult to the constant applications to the community
[14:27] <Laney> I'm also very concerned that you have been to other membership boards and aren't following their advice.
[14:27] <IdleOne> vibhav: part of being in a community is being able to accept criticism from your peers and learning from that criticism. Trying to hide it from the DMB was not only stupid, as you put it, but for me it shows a lack of trustworthiness.
[14:28] <vibhav> IdleOne: I was never trying to hide it
[14:28] <IdleOne> vibhav: I want you to know that I am probably obe of your biggest supporters. The Ubuntu ops team has had more than a few discussions about you.
[14:28] <IdleOne> s/obe/one/
[14:29] <Laney> ..
[14:29] <tumbleweed> vibhav: then why remove it?
[14:29] <IdleOne> I am always trying to point out that you do have the potential but you don't want to do the work involved. This latest incident has really disappointed me.
[14:29] <IdleOne> Thanks to the DMB for letting me speak, sorry i took so much time.
[14:30] <tumbleweed> IdleOne: the "Things I can do better" paint a similar picture
[14:30] <ikonia> I'm actually considering taking this to the CC
[14:30] <tumbleweed> they are all part of "doing the work involved"
[14:30] <ikonia> I don't find it acceptable that someone who is a persistant liar and trying to trick people into membership be allowed to continue
[14:30] <vibhav> tumbleweed: Yeah, but I dont remember that stuff
[14:30] <Laney> ikonia: thanks. We'll take it from here...
[14:30] <ikonia> sure
[14:31] <Laney> anyone else? micahg?
[14:31] <micahg> I think what I wanted to say has been said already
[14:31] <Laney> ok, let's vote.
[14:32] <Laney> You should note that we don't have quorum so formally this will have to be settled over email.
[14:32] <micahg> well, that depends on the vote :)
[14:32] <Laney> #vote Should Vibhav Pant Pant become an Ubuntun Contributing Developer
[14:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Vibhav Pant Pant become an Ubuntun Contributing Developer
[14:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:32] <Laney> (without typo) (with question mark)
[14:33] <micahg> -1 only three months of dev work, wiki behaviour is an example not befitting an Ubuntu member regardless
[14:33] <meetingology> -1 only three months of dev work, wiki behaviour is an example not befitting an Ubuntu member regardless received from micahg
[14:34] <tumbleweed> -1 (as above)
[14:34] <meetingology> -1 (as above) received from tumbleweed
[14:34] <Laney> -1 Not been contribution for six months (the minimum, as advised). Dishonest behaviour, even when this has clearly been noticed.
[14:34] <meetingology> -1 Not been contribution for six months (the minimum, as advised). Dishonest behaviour, even when this has clearly been noticed. received from Laney
[14:34] <Laney> #endvote
[14:34] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Vibhav Pant Pant become an Ubuntun Contributing Developer
[14:34] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:0
[14:34] <meetingology> Motion denied
[14:35] <Laney> If you decide to come back, I suggest you reflect on all of the feedback you've been given.
[14:36] <Laney> No quorum. Guess poor Laney has to wait until next time.
[14:37] <Laney> #action chair for next meeting
[14:37] <meetingology> ACTION: chair for next meeting
[14:37] <Laney> oops
[14:37] <tumbleweed> guess we get to go through together, then (or not at all :P )
[14:37] <Laney> #topic chair for next meeting
[14:37] <Laney> that's micahg
[14:37] <Laney> #topic aob
[14:37] <Laney> ?
[14:37] <micahg> no, it's barry :)
[14:38] <Laney> oh yeah, barry (micahg) :P
[14:38] <Laney> ding ding
[14:38] <Laney> #endmeeting
[14:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul  2 14:38:26 2012 UTC.
[14:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-02-14.11.moin.txt
[14:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-02-14.11.html
[14:38] <Laney> cheers all
[14:38] <ikonia> that was quick
[14:38] <ikonia> thank you guys
[14:38] <Laney> we're efficient here
[14:38] <Laney> (a blatant lie)
[14:39] <micahg> Laney: thanks for chairing
[14:39] <Laney> np
[18:00] <tyhicks> \o
[18:00]  * sbeattie waves
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:01] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul  2 18:01:31 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:01] <kees> \o
[18:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi kees :)
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'm working on getting oo.o and libreoffice out today
[18:03] <jdstrand> I've also got the apparmor 2.8 upload for quantal, but am trying to work out the python3 packaging as libapparmor isn't importable in python3 due to it going to the wrong place
[18:03] <jdstrand> the ufw python3 port should be done, I'd like to get it packaged for quantal
[18:04] <jdstrand> I plan to continue working on my assigned updates after that
[18:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: is off today. he is on triage and I believe has some updates pending
[18:04] <sbeattie> jdstrand: do we expect python-libapparmor to only support python3 from a packaging standpoint?
[18:04] <jdstrand> jjohansen is also off. I'm not sure what he has planned
[18:05] <sbeattie> (hopefully sleep)
[18:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that was my starting point, since there are no reverse depends. in thinking about it over the weekend though, I think we may want to also export python2
[18:05] <sbeattie> would we need a separate package for that?
[18:06] <jdstrand> our python tools should be bi-lingual, so it should just be a matter of putting things in the right place
[18:06] <sbeattie> okay
[18:06] <jdstrand> sbeattie: based on my understanding of the Debian/Ubuntu python packaging guidelines, yes
[18:06] <jdstrand> I am going to get some advice on that though
[18:07] <kees> it should be possible to just build the python bindings twice
[18:07] <jdstrand> that is what I was hoping
[18:08] <jdstrand> the recent commits make it so that PYTHON* env variables dtrt
[18:08] <jdstrand> so I just need to work out how to package that bit
[18:08] <kees> yeah. is there a dh_python3, or does dh_python2 handle both?
[18:09] <jdstrand> dh_python3 isn't being super helpful atm-- it is putting things in site-packages instead of dist-packages so python3 script can't find it
[18:09] <jdstrand> kees: both-- I think dh_python2 can be passed --with-python3 and then maybe it will work. I'm kinda in the middle of it, so not sure
[18:09] <kees> cool
[18:09] <micahg> hrm, I thought site-packages was deprecated since python 2.6?
[18:09] <jdstrand> micahg: exactly
[18:10] <micahg> well, that sounds like a bug that should be easily fixed, has anyone talked to doko_ about it?
[18:10] <jdstrand> anyhoo-- we don't need to bikeshed this-- I'm on it and will work it out. if I need help, I'll holler
[18:10] <tumbleweed> jdstrand: site-packages vs dist-packages means you aren't calling setup.py correctly
[18:11] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: heh, thanks. I read something on that and thought that might be the case
[18:11] <tumbleweed> you want --install-layout=deb
[18:11] <jdstrand> but haven't had a chance to try it
[18:11] <jdstrand> tumbleweed: noted. this may go faster than I thought. thanks! :)
[18:11] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[18:12] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:12] <sbeattie> I'm testing the openjdk-6/icedtea-web backport/update; hoping to have that out by the end of this week.
[18:13] <sbeattie> I've also got an embargoed issue on my plate
[18:13] <sbeattie> I need to catch up on the open apparmor patches for review.
[18:13] <sbeattie> and that's pretty much it for me; I'll be off the 4th for the US national holiday.
[18:14] <sbeattie> micahg: you're up
[18:14] <micahg> I'll be helping sbeattie test the icedtea backport as it fixes a regression for me, and then working on webkit
[18:14] <micahg> I think that's it
[18:15] <tyhicks> I'm in the community role this week
[18:15] <tyhicks> I'm wrapping up some Mozilla testing as we speak and then my focus will shift to the pidgin update
[18:16] <tyhicks> I didn't get much time to work on it last week since I was catching up on the Mozilla pretesting schedule and working through some issues I ran into while doing that
[18:16] <jdstrand> tyhicks: did you sort out those issues?
[18:16] <tyhicks> I've got a short week. Half a day off tomorrow, the holiday, and then a full day off on Thursday.
[18:17] <tyhicks> jdstrand: Yep - it was a problem with our thunderbird config dir tar that we pull out of QRT. I can fill you in after the meeting.
[18:17] <tyhicks> (the rest was 'fixed' by filing bugs against ff/tbird)
[18:17] <tyhicks> I still haven't gotten to my merges, so any free time will be spent on those.
[18:18] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:18] <tyhicks> jdstrand: You're up since jj is away today
[18:18] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:18] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:19] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/strongswan.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/freeciv.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/qtnx.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/policycoreutils.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/maildrop.html
[18:19] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:20] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:20] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:20] <kees> I've got the xorg update for precise tested, can someone publish it?
[18:20] <kees> it's been sitting since UDS :P
[18:22] <jdstrand> kees: remind me-- is that >= 1.10 or > 1.10
[18:22] <tyhicks> That probably falls on my shoulders since I'm on community this week, but I doubt I'll be able to get to it with my short work week
[18:23] <kees> jdstrand: ?
[18:23] <jdstrand> kees: what version of X is affected?
[18:24] <kees> jdstrand: ah! introduced in 1.10 (LP: #996250)
[18:26] <jdstrand> kees: ok, so that means that natty and oneiric are also affected
[18:26] <kees> yeah, I didn't attempt those backports.
[18:26] <jdstrand> sure
[18:27] <jdstrand> we have currently prioritized this as 'low' due to our hardening measures
[18:27] <jdstrand> which is why no one has done anything yet
[18:27] <jdstrand> of course, the patch is sitting there, so someone could try to get that going
[18:28] <jdstrand> kees: do you feel 'low' is not appropriate for Ubuntu?
[18:30] <kees> well...
[18:30] <kees> it's a DoS due to upstart killing the respawn.
[18:30] <kees> and since on restart it aborts during video init, the console is unusable after the 1st restart
[18:31] <kees> so, it's kind of borderline. anyone can ruin your unsaved-work day by sticking in the evil hid thingy
[18:31] <jdstrand> yeah
[18:31] <kees> it's also very unlikely. :P
[18:31] <jdstrand> yes-- requires physical access
[18:31] <sbeattie> ... unless you're in the vicinity of kees
[18:31] <kees> :P
[18:32] <sbeattie> "workaround: avoid kees"
[18:32] <jdstrand> I can much less creatively ruin your work if I have physical access
[18:32] <jdstrand> anyhoo, it sounds like tyhicks will be looking at it
[18:32] <kees> cool, thanks
[18:33] <jdstrand> hopefully a backport will be straightforward and easy to test
[18:33] <jdstrand> anything else to discuss?
[18:33] <kees> I *think* the backport of my patch for 1.11 shouldn't be much worse for 1.10. I already hauled in all the new functions for 1.11
[18:41] <jdstrand> sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, kees: thanks!
[18:41] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul  2 18:41:59 2012 UTC.
[18:41] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-02-18.01.moin.txt
[18:41] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-02-18.01.html
[18:42] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:48] <doko_> jdstrand, dh_python3, could you point me to a .dsc/package?
[19:03] <jdstrand> doko_: ok (though I didn't really mean for everyone to get involved yet :) it is in /home/jamie/uploads/quantal on chinstrap


[13:13] <slspencer> Hi. I have a question about a git to bzr import error
[13:16] <slspencer> UnknownCommitExtra: Unknown extra fields in <Commit 56ead206c93f1ed9d6f1d46cbfa2a8e79cdad63c>: ['HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename'].
[13:16] <slspencer> Anbody seen this error before?
[13:24] <slspencer> I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-git/+bug/1084403 on gpsig tags.
[13:24] <slspencer> This isn't the same root cause, but it's a similar error message.
[13:25] <slspencer> In any case, I'm interested in learning how to set up a fast-export/fast-import daily pull from git
[13:26] <slspencer> How is a fast-export/fast-import (as recommended in the bug report) specified in Launchpad import request form https://code.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new ?
[13:27] <jelmer> slspencer: hi
[13:27] <slspencer> Hi
[13:28] <jelmer> slspencer: note that bzr-git is not related to fast-export/fast-import
[13:28] <jelmer> they're two completely different approaches of importing from git into bzr
[13:28] <slspencer> Right, hence the confuseion as to why this is rhe recommended work-around in the bug report
[13:29] <slspencer> Is there a better solution?
[13:30] <jelmer> slspencer: bzr-git can't handle those fields it doesn't know about, so until it does you can't use bzr-git
[13:30] <jelmer> slspencer: hence the suggestion to use a completely different way of doing imports
[13:30] <slspencer> I'm not seeing any intructions on how to implement the fast-export/fast-import on Launchpad
[13:31] <slspencer> How is this done?
[13:31] <slspencer> I'm willing to check it out
[13:31] <jelmer> slspencer: you can't do fast-export/fast-import on Launchpad
[13:31] <slspencer> ah
[13:32] <slspencer> So my project's Ubuntu build is completely hosed
[13:32] <jelmer> slspencer: what project is this?
[13:32] <slspencer> Valentina
[13:33] <jelmer> slspencer: those fields are unsupported by C git too I suspect
[13:33] <slspencer> unknown
[13:34] <slspencer> They're mercurial rename commit tags
[13:34] <slspencer> Imported from bitbucket to git, then from git to bzr
[13:35] <jelmer> slspencer: I don't think Mercurial should be setting those..
[13:35] <slspencer> HG:rename tags are created with the 'hg rename' command
[13:36] <slspencer> So I can't use fast-export/fast-import on a daily pull from git
[13:36] <slspencer> I'll keep looking for something to fix this problem
[13:37] <slspencer> jelmer: thanks for your time!
[13:50] <jelmer> slspencer: yeah, hg-git should not be setting this field...
[17:58] <slspencer> Hi
[17:58] <slspencer> I was in #bzr earlier today
[18:00] <slspencer> Previously working import from git into bzr is now returning error message about extra fields in commit
[18:00] <slspencer> raise UnknownCommitExtra(commit, [item[0] for item in commit.extra]) bzrlib.plugins.git.errors.UnknownCommitExtra: Unknown extra fields in <Commit 56ead206c93f1ed9d6f1d46cbfa2a8e79cdad63c>: ['HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename', 'HG:rename']. Import failed:
[18:01] <slspencer> When I checked with the hg-git dev team, they stated that these fields should be there for hg-git interoperability
[18:02] <slspencer> they also said that bzr-git should ignore metadata fields that are not defined or are not understood
[18:03] <slspencer> The fields were created by the 'hg rename' command and traces the history of the file, so they should stay, but bzr doesn't need them
[18:04] <slspencer> Is there anyway in Launchpad to import the git repo and tell it to ignore undefined metadata fields?
[18:05] <slspencer> My Ubuntu app is dead until we get this solved


[01:47] <qwebirc88188> Hey, I'm trying to install Mythbuntu in ESXi v6.0.  I already installed it super late last night and forgot about it
[01:49] <tgm4883> qwebirc88188: lol :)
[01:50] <qwebirc88188> So the livecd was detecting the install, and booting normally....I'll see myself out ;-)
[01:51] <qwebirc35982> Forgot to say, thanks for responding!


[15:21] <abogani> scott-work: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/realtime
[16:01] <scott-work> thanks abogani (sorry for the delay, work is really, really busy this week)
[16:02] <scott-work> and thank you very much for the reply email as well :)
[16:03] <abogani> scott-work: Sorry for succinct replies. :-)
[16:04] <scott-work> abogani: hehe, no problem my friend, i have been accused of the same, but it is merely because i have so much limited time


[15:42] <mrgoodcat> the site equifax set up to see if you were affected by the breach is the most phishy domain i've seen in a while
[15:43] <jrwren> don't use it.
[15:51] <cmaloney> good morning
[15:51] <cmaloney> It's essentially a flip of the coin
[16:22] <greg-g> if you sign up for their credit monitoring service for free with it you forfeit your rights to sue (class action or otherwise)
[16:22] <greg-g> I haven't made up my mind yet
[16:23] <cmaloney> Yeah, screw that
[16:23] <greg-g> 1) credit monitoring = good I guess? 2) they'll probably make it hard to cancel 3) maybe I'll get $5 from a class action settlement? 4) ugh
[16:23] <cmaloney> I'm not abou to get a service from a company that shouldn't exist in the first plae
[16:24] <cmaloney> place
[16:24] <greg-g> word
[16:24] <cmaloney> They've inserted themselves into this system and have made themselves part of the problem
[16:45] <mrgoodcat> some execs apparently dumped stock before the announcement
[16:46] <greg-g> yeah, saw that, good times
[18:25] <cmaloney> If there isn't some serious prison time for the execs I'm burning capitalism down
[18:25] <jrwren> they claimed they didn't know about hte breach before teh sale.
[18:26] <jrwren> still... if martha stewart can go to jail... these people can go to jail.
[18:27] <cmaloney> BULLSHIT
[18:27] <greg-g> :)
[18:27] <cmaloney> Three executives sell in the month before a ruinous breach is exposed?
[18:28] <cmaloney> That would be like VW folks selling stock months before the whole recall over the diesel shenannigans was unveiled.
[18:28] <rick_h> when did they sell? I heard this breach went back to July
[18:30] <greg-g> WHO KNEW WHAT WHEN?!?!?!
[18:30] <greg-g> ;)
[18:30] <greg-g> get matlock on the case
[18:30] <cmaloney> August 1st and second
[18:31] <cmaloney> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-07/three-equifax-executives-sold-stock-before-revealing-cyber-hack
[18:31] <cmaloney> CW: Autoplay video
[18:31] <rick_h> lol, wasn't the breach july 29 or something?
[18:31] <cmaloney> Ayep
[18:31] <greg-g> gj guys
[18:31] <cmaloney> "The credit-reporting service said earlier in a statement that it discovered the intrusion on July 29. Regulatory filings show that on Aug. 1, Chief Financial Officer John Gamble sold shares worth $946,374 and Joseph Loughran, president of U.S. information solutions, exercised options to dispose of stock worth $584,099. Rodolfo Ploder, president of workforce solutions, sold $250,458 of stock on Aug. 2.
[18:31] <cmaloney> None of the filings lists the transactions as being part of 10b5-1 scheduled trading plans."
[18:31] <rick_h> lmao
[18:31] <cmaloney> The three “sold a small percentage of their Equifax shares,” Ines Gutzmer, a spokeswoman for the Atlanta-based company, said in an emailed statement. They “had no knowledge that an intrusion had occurred at the time.”
[18:32] <cmaloney> Yeah, right
[18:32] <_stink_> quick delete those emails
[18:32] <cmaloney> You had July 31st
[18:32] <cmaloney> which is a business day
[18:33] <cmaloney> if there wasn't an "all hands" meeting on that day then I'm the fucking Vatican
[18:46] <Scary_Guy> an easy fix for this would be don't hold stock in the company you work for, or any companies that you directly do business with
[18:46] <Scary_Guy> but if life gives you a cheatcode people are generally going to use it
[18:46] <jrwren> C types HAVE to hold stock in companies they work for. its the law and if not, its part of their contract.
[18:47] <Scary_Guy> well, that's just retarded then
[18:47] <Scary_Guy> or they shouldn't be allowed to touch it until they quit
[18:48] <jrwren> board members and come C levels have to hold a certain percentage. I'd doubt that these sellers sold ALL of their shares.
[18:49] <greg-g> it theoretically makes them more at service to the company because they'd feel the pain/gain accordingly
[18:49] <cmaloney> jrwren: They didn't sell them all, but it's rather interesting that they sold any during this time
[18:49] <greg-g> but there are tons of ways to game the system so... yeah, they rarely feel the pain
[18:49] <cmaloney> Is August a fiscal quarter?  My target price for them is 60/share. I'll buy at or below that.
[18:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: You'll get your wish, I guarantee it
[18:52] <jrwren> cmaloney: yes, but will it be because of this, or will it be overall market crash?
[18:53] <Scary_Guy> yes
[18:53] <greg-g> I can't not think of that mens warehouse dude when that's said and how he's been a daily toker for a long time, and that's part of why his voice is so memorable
[18:54] <cmaloney> greg-g: Did he say that he's a daily toker?
[18:55] <greg-g> yup
[18:55] <greg-g> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mens+warehouse+weed&t=ffsb&ia=news
[18:56] <greg-g> :)
[18:56] <Scary_Guy> https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/6yqpi2/so_three_equifax_executives_came_up_with_a/
[18:57] <cmaloney> greg-g: That would explain nominating Deepak Chopra to the board in 2004
[18:57] <cmaloney> (letting that charlatan anywhere near money is a bad move)
[18:59] <jrwren> why would he be on the board of that company.
[18:59] <greg-g> heh
[19:00] <jrwren> UGH... board membership pisses me off.
[19:00] <greg-g> apparently weed == ok with aura pettelers? :)
[19:01] <Scary_Guy> Deepak makes me wish there was a hell for him to burn in
[20:31]  * rick_h just shakes head...https://twitter.com/zackwhittaker/status/906247688768905216
[20:40] <cmaloney> Naturally
[20:41] <gamerchick02> am i right on time?
[20:42] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: For the rest of your life? Sure thing
[20:42] <cmaloney> for anything else? Not sure.
[20:42] <gamerchick02> OH CRAP wrong chat
[20:42] <gamerchick02> LOL
[20:42] <cmaloney> np
[20:42] <gamerchick02> that was meant for the bugcast
[20:42] <gamerchick02> but anyway, how's you?
[20:42] <cmaloney> Surviving
[20:42] <cmaloney> you?
[20:42] <gamerchick02> not bad
[20:42] <gamerchick02> learning
[20:43] <cmaloney> That's always good
[20:43] <gamerchick02> yeah
[20:43] <gamerchick02> i've learned more about Monroney labels than i care to know! :-P
[20:44] <cmaloney> That's more than I know about them, so yay! :)
[20:44] <cmaloney> Oh nice: the stickers for new vehicles
[20:44] <cmaloney> Hah, that's awesome
[20:44] <gamerchick02> yes
[20:44] <gamerchick02> labels.
[21:27] <gamerchick02> who knows? that sounds like spam


[12:07] <gokusandwich_> (I'm pretty sure I've seen other bugs that indicated that via the "Affects" entries)
[12:10] <ryanakca> gnomefreak or sfllaw: is this correct? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/76664
[12:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76664 in firefox "crash after choosing "Save destination as" on a link" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:14] <sfllaw> ryanakca: It's fair enough.  You may want to isolate what the HTML is that does it.
[12:14] <ryanakca> sfllaw: kk, ty
[12:15] <sfllaw> Neato
[12:17] <ryanakca> and bug 76640 , that would be a high priority bug? and would it be /var/log/kernel or /var/log/kern.log that has the bootup logs?
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76640 in linux-source-2.6.20 "linux-image-2.6.20-2: unable to boot Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76640
[12:19] <gokusandwich_> (anyone see my Q above?)
[12:19] <Burgwork> sfllaw: get ye self on planet
[12:21] <sfllaw> Burgwork: Which Planet?
[12:21] <Burgwork> sfllaw: ubuntu
[12:22] <sfllaw> Burgwork: I am on Planet Ubuntu.
[12:22] <Burgwork> hmm
[12:22] <Burgwork> I blame work
[12:22] <Burgwork> and btw, I hate CUPS today
[12:22] <sfllaw> That's OK.
[12:22] <sfllaw> I've hated CUPS for years.
[12:22] <Burgwork> I intend to blog about my hatred later
[12:23] <TLE> Ahh damn, it was just hug day ?
[12:23] <yuriy> still is here :)
[12:24] <ryanakca> Burgwork: oooh... CUPS is possessed.... *nods*
[12:24] <TLE> well it just 23 minutes past here. Ohh well anyway, I think I'm gonna go read a little something about the bug work
[12:29] <TLE> LOL from the UbuntuBugDay page in the wiki "We've now released the beta for Edgy Eft". That may be a little outdated !
[12:32] <robepisc> gokusandwich_: I'm new to triaging, but since nobody answered... A pair of hours ago a similar question got asked in #ubuntu-bugs.
[12:32] <robepisc> It seems you should close it.
[12:34] <gokusandwich_> robepisc: i don't want to close it, as it may be a candidate for dapper-updates
[12:34] <robepisc> ok
[12:34] <gokusandwich_> would you (or anyone) know how to determine if the bug is deserving of an update for dapper?
[12:35] <TLE> There are actually more references that were written back when Edgy was in beta, is this on purpose or am I missing something ?
[12:35] <robepisc> I cite cjwatson: "if they are eligible for an SRU, then the proper procedure is NOT to reopen the bug, but to open a new dapper task on the bug using "target fix to releases" or whatever the link is in launchpad
[12:35] <robepisc>  but contact the responsible developer before doing that unilaterally, please; they're the ones who'll have to take on the not inconsiderable work of getting it pushed through"
[12:35] <gokusandwich_> oh, cool; thanks
[12:36] <robepisc> Never done that myself. Anyhow see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[12:37] <gokusandwich_> and how would i know who the responsible developer is?
[12:37] <gokusandwich_> is it the "Maintainer" listed on LP?
[12:41] <robepisc> Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers. Debian has.  I think LP refers to Debian's.
[12:41] <gokusandwich_> ...any idea who to contact about it, then?
[12:42] <coNP> robepisc, gokusandwich_ : I do not think so
[12:42] <robepisc> Probably mdz, who is the last uploader of firefox
[12:42] <Burgwork> gokusandwich_: which package?
[12:42] <gokusandwich_> popple
[12:42] <Burgwork> robepisc: no
[12:42] <gokusandwich_> r
[12:42] <coNP> I am almost sure, that there _are_ ubuntu package maintainers
[12:42] <Burgwork> coNP: not really
[12:43] <gokusandwich_> see bug 50697
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50697 in poppler "Evince crashes upon attempting to select text, for certain PDF(s)" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50697
[12:43] <Burgwork> there are people who usually maintain packages, but there is no strict ownership
[12:43] <coNP> oh, I see
[12:43] <Burgwork> follow the SRU procedure
[12:43] <coNP> thanks, Burgwork
[12:43] <coNP> (bug days are always useful to learn something new :))
[12:44] <robepisc> Burgwork: thanks
[12:44] <gokusandwich_> Burgwork: yeah, thanks
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76665 in ubiquity (main) "Crash on install with script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76665
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76666 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "wont boot on mac mini (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76666
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76524 in libpng (main) "libpng segfault when thumbnailing movie" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76524
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76480 in cfingerd (universe) "missing dependency on update-inetd make it uninstallable on feisty" [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76480
[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76492 in uw-imap (universe) "missing dependency on update-inetd make it uninstallable on feisty" [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76492
[01:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76667 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Ooops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76667
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76668 in Ubuntu "Beryl - no titlebar - Window manager crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76668
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76669 in thunar (main) "~ and . confusing in Open Location dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76669
[01:35] <yuriy> this stuff eats time pretty fast...
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76444 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash when logged in to net on both desktops." [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76444
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76670 in tilp (universe) "Tilp2 - New upstream release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76670
[02:02] <hads> What's the best process for reporting bugs in Feisty? Launchpad doesn't seem to have many there which makes me think there is some other process?
[02:13] <yuriy> sfllaw: so what do i need to join the qa team?
[02:14] <yuriy> sfllaw: i did triaging for a while for dapper, and just started today on feisty
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76410 in widelands (universe) "crash during saving (overwrite)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76410
[02:39] <bddebian> Boo
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76673 in scim (main) "scim crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76673
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76674 in firefox (main) "Popup ads bypassing popup settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76674
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76675 in klibc (main) "fstype error causes the root filesystem to not mount" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76675
[03:29] <boggle> I'd like to report the following bug as part of the bug hug day: when writing to a cd the write process never gets started if there's less space available than the iso image would take up
[03:29] <boggle> I'd like to make my bug report good, but have a hard time collecting debug info on this one
[03:30] <boggle> I can reproduce the bug on two computers
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76676 in serpentine (main) "mp3: Unsupported file type?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76676
[03:34] <boggle> with strace I see EAGAIN on a read
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76677 in drbd0.7 (universe) "(edgy) drbd0.7-module-source: module will not compile" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76677
[03:56] <yuriy> boggle: start by filing the bug on launchpad. put everything you know in the description, you acan always add details later
[03:56] <boggle> yuriy: I tried that, but it told me to go upstream, so I filed it at the gnome-bugtracker
[03:57] <yuriy> boggle: that works too.
[03:57] <boggle> now I'm somewhat lost - is the link from malone to the gnome-tracker done automatically?
[03:57] <boggle> or do I need to add it somewhere?
[03:57] <yuriy> boggle: haven't filed a bug in a while, i've never seen it tell you to go upstream, i thought you gotta know to do taht yourself
[03:58] <boggle> HowToTriage mentions something like Click the "+ Upstream..." or "+ Distribution..." link, as appropriate., but I cannot find this ...
[03:58] <yuriy> boggle: sounds like it's not on malone right now. but as long as it's upstream i don't think it matters much.
[03:58] <boggle> yuriy: ok, thx
[03:58] <yuriy> boggle: once you file a bug on launchpad, on the bug you have that menu that the guide is talking about
[03:58] <yuriy> boggle: so if you don't mind, file it again on malone and do that
[04:00] <boggle> yuriv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/nautilus-cd-burner/+filebug
[04:00] <boggle> tells me to go upstream
[04:01] <fernando> I'm already proposed to ubuntu-qa, can somebody approve? or not approve? =)
[04:02] <fernando> sfllaw: ?
[04:14] <fernando> well, night all
[04:22] <sfllaw> yuriy: Hello.
[04:22] <sfllaw> yuriy: You will want to follow the procedure in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[04:28] <yuriy> thanks, what exactly is a list of triaged bugs? i typically subscribe to every bug i comment on or edit, so that might be a bit broad
[04:32] <sfllaw> yuriy: A list of bugs that you have specifically triaged.
[04:32] <sfllaw> yuriy: Three or four is sufficient.
[04:32] <sfllaw> yuriy: It is good to have ones that demonstrate you know what you are doing.
[04:33] <bddebian> What about those of us that don't? :-)
[04:33] <sfllaw> bddebian: Don't you have terrible self-esteem?
[04:33] <sfllaw> bddebian: I'd say you're not a good judge of this.
[04:33] <bddebian> Yes :)
[04:41] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: should my feisty machine be missing an inittab?
[04:45] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Yes, inetd is optional now.
[04:45] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[04:45] <sfllaw> I noticed this when update-inetd disappeared.
[04:45] <Burgundavia> what do i do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/runit/+bug/74135
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74135 in runit "runsvdir not started at boot-up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:45] <sfllaw> it's back though.
[04:45] <Burgundavia> should I install inetd?
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76682 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Please update mozilla-thunderbird" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76682
[04:47] <sfllaw> Sorry.
[04:47] <sfllaw> /etc/inittab!
[04:47] <sfllaw> That's replaced by upstart.
[04:47] <Burgundavia> so I should file a bug against that? or retitle the existing bug?
[04:48] <sfllaw> Retitle the existing bug as: runsvdir does not use upstart.
[04:48] <Burgundavia> will do
[04:49] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Stylish!
[04:49] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: can we talk quickly about compiz bugs?
[04:50] <sfllaw> Yes.
[04:50] <sfllaw> I can't guarantee to know anything about compiz, though.
[04:50] <Burgundavia> do you have any comments on my triaging of them?
[04:50] <sfllaw> Not specifically.
[04:51] <Burgundavia> have you heard anything about a plan for testing compiz?
[04:51] <Burgundavia> given we are going to install it by default and all
[04:52] <sfllaw> I have a basic plan.
[04:52] <sfllaw> We should guarantee that the fallback to metacity works.
[04:52] <sfllaw> And that it should be trivial to force it down there.
[04:52] <sfllaw> Then it will be testing that compiz does what it claims to.
[04:52] <Burgundavia> right
[04:52] <sfllaw> Which is mostly that X works.
[04:52] <sfllaw> That's the hard part.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> there are a lot of regressions from metacity
[04:53] <sfllaw> Yes.
[04:53] <sfllaw> But the compiz people know that and so does Havoc.
[04:53] <sfllaw> Havoc thinks it's a good idea.  Who am I to argue with him?
[04:53] <Burgundavia> indeed
[04:54] <Burgundavia> yes, in the long term, metacity is dead, long live compiz
[04:54] <sfllaw> There will still be people using it.
[04:55] <sfllaw> Like people using sawfish.
[04:55] <sfllaw> Man, just when I was starting to like metacity too.
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76447 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76447
[04:56] <sfllaw> ^^^ Aw man, not another one!
[04:57] <sfllaw> hjmf: Please assign the bug to yourself when you set it to Needs Info.
[04:57] <Burgundavia> yay! firefox sucks
[04:57] <sfllaw> See Bugs/HowToTriage for the current procedure.
[04:57] <sfllaw> Thanks!
[04:57] <ajmitch> sfllaw: when was that decided?
[04:58] <sfllaw> ajmitch: When we were in Wiesbaden.
[04:58] <ajmitch> hm
[04:58] <sfllaw> That was in July/August?
[04:58] <ajmitch> since I've generally seen 'assigned to' as 'this is the person who will be working on fixing it;
[04:58] <sfllaw> ajmitch: It's more like "this is the person working on it at this stage."
[04:59] <sfllaw> It seems to work pretty well.
[04:59] <sfllaw> I often trawl through my +assignedbugs list clearing out stuff.
[05:00] <sfllaw> bddebian: Can you not set the importance of a bug yet?
[05:01] <bddebian> sfllaw: I thought so, why?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: so I should set all the compiz bugs that are needs info to be myself
[05:01] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:01] <sfllaw> bddebian: Oh, sorry.  Wrong person.
[05:01] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Yup.
[05:01] <bddebian> NP :-)
[05:02] <Burgundavia> will do
[05:02] <sfllaw> Stupid tab completion.
[05:02] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: You should apply for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA.
[05:02] <Burgundavia> I probably should
[05:02] <Burgundavia> I think I already did, but I couldn't be around today
[05:02] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: That way, you can set 74135 to a useful priority.
[05:03] <Burgundavia> true
[05:03] <Burgundavia> can I apply right now
[05:03] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:03] <marnanel> I am sad that people think metacity is dead :(
[05:03] <Burgundavia> marnanel: it is a good piece of code, but its time has clearly come
[05:03] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Yes.
[05:04] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: what do I need to do?
[05:04] <sfllaw> Start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA.
[05:06] <marnanel> Burgundavia: I think the thing is that Metacity has always been anti-crack, and bling is crack by definition
[05:06] <Burgundavia> marnanel: absolutely
[05:06] <Burgundavia> now we need sane people to get compiz up to snuff, so that it functions well in the "anti-crack" position as well
[05:07] <bddebian>  anti-crack?
[05:07] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: ok, read those bits
[05:07] <Burgundavia> as for a list of bugs, how about compiz
[05:08] <marnanel> bddebian: Metacity's official position has always been that things which are just pretty and not functional are "crack" and shouldn't be included
[05:08] <marnanel> bddebian: the readme says that it's a functional WM for the adult in you; most WMs are like Froot Loops, Metacity is like Cheerios
[05:09] <bddebian> heh
[05:09] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: So you agree with points 1 and 2?
[05:09] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Just point me at a few bugs.  Three is a good number.
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76685 in Ubuntu "BCM4306 do not work on powerbook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76685
[05:10] <Burgundavia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/61816 <-- you can see my generic needs info statement when compiz hits the repo
[05:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61816 in compiz "Crash reported" [Undecided,Needs info]
[05:10] <marnanel> the funny thing is that this policy has lasted for years, and then suddenly everyone went, "Oh, yeah. Crack is what we wanted after all. Sorry." :)
[05:10] <Burgundavia> 74135 is a good one as well, as I discovered a greater issue, etc.
[05:10] <sfllaw> I want compiz to be like metacity, except for little interface hints that would be sad if they went away.
[05:11] <sfllaw> marnanel: The reason for this is:
[05:11] <sfllaw> marnanel: Some of the crack is actually just better functionality.
[05:11] <sfllaw> I'd want a zoomable desktop.
[05:11] <sfllaw> Not because it's pretty.
[05:11] <sfllaw> But because of my high-resolution display.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> yes, there are a few things that are nice
[05:12] <sfllaw> Being able to do graceful fades is good.
[05:12] <Burgundavia> I just question about the sacrifice of freedom for small things
[05:12] <sfllaw> I don't like it either.
[05:12] <Burgundavia> jono and mark are gangbusters, so I think we are doomed
[05:13] <marnanel> well, hopefully when we get the metacity compositor sorted things will be a bit better in metacity, anyway.
[05:13] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Sadly, those people are working for companies that don't want them to work on them.
[05:13] <ajmitch> is that work being revived now?
[05:13] <marnanel> yes
[05:13] <marnanel> in a quiet sort of way
[05:13] <sfllaw> marnanel: Hurray!
[05:13] <ajmitch> sfllaw: I'm glad that the nouveau driver is coming along at a decent rate
[05:14] <ajmitch> even if it still has a very long way to go :)
[05:14] <Burgundavia> sfllaw:  here is a bug I forwarded upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/38121
[05:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38121 in compiz "gnome-window-decorator does not update titles" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[05:14] <sfllaw> If only there were an ATI one.
[05:14] <Burgundavia> there is
[05:14] <Burgundavia> up to the 9800
[05:14] <sfllaw> That does not help me.
[05:14] <Burgundavia> right
[05:14] <sfllaw> Stupid modern laptop.
[05:14] <ajmitch> the nouveau developers say that the nvidia cards are so much nicer to code for :)
[05:15] <sfllaw> So do my ex-classmates working at ATI.
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69168 in kdebase (main) "konqueror file manager looses "detailed list view" setting" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69168
[05:15] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Oh no.  Good one.
[05:16] <sfllaw> ajmitch: I bought the only one I could tolerate.  Much like mobile telephones.
[05:16] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: I also have full edit privs upstream in GNOME and had them in the old bugzilla
[05:16] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: That's cool.
[05:16] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: You've read Bugs/Importance?
[05:16] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: the -directory bugs are out of control
[05:17] <ajmitch> no kidding
[05:17] <bddebian>  -directory bugs?
[05:17] <ajmitch> ubuntu-directory
[05:18] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:19] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Welcome to the team!
[05:19] <Burgundavia> yay! yet another team
[05:20] <Burgundavia> yay
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76687 in xnc (universe) "XNC crashes on load looking for a font" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76687
[05:20] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: What's the ubuntu-loco-enthusiasts subscription policy?
[05:21] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Barry, you are slow.
[05:21] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: I caught up to you!
[05:21] <sfllaw> bddebian: Gah!
[05:21] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: I believe that is only loco team leaders and it was a selected group created in MTV
[05:21] <ajmitch> hehe
[05:21] <sfllaw> Dear irssi, your tab-completion policy stinks.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> need to talk to elkubuntu
[05:21] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Fair enough.
[05:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: I still have karma left?  I haven't "fixed" a bug in ages :-(
[05:22] <sfllaw> I am the CanonicalOffice LoCo team.  :)
[05:22] <Burgundavia> right
[05:24] <bddebian> CHUG as in CHUG beer? ;-)
[05:25] <sfllaw> As in Commonwealth Hurd Users Group.
[05:26] <sfllaw> Where is our Ubuntu GNU Hurd port?
[05:26] <Burgundavia> I already shot it
[05:26] <bddebian> No one wanted me to do it :'-(
[05:26] <Burgundavia> figured I would put it out of its misery
[05:26] <ajmitch> formerly known as Toronto Hurd Users Group, for a broad definition of Toronto
[05:26] <sfllaw> So broad as to cross oceans.
[05:26] <bddebian> heh
[05:27] <ajmitch> merely the pacific
[05:27] <sfllaw> We need a UK member.
[05:28] <marnanel> I would volunteer, but I've never run the Hurd in my life
[05:28] <sfllaw> marnanel: That's OK.  It's mostly about drinking.
[05:28] <bddebian> heh
[05:28] <marnanel> I can deal with that. :)
[05:29] <Burgundavia> hence why Hurd had never gone anywhere
[05:29] <marnanel> Also, I am not living in the UK any more, though I am intending to remain a citizen as long as I live.
[05:29] <ajmitch> sfllaw: I'll need to buy next time we meet up
[05:29] <marnanel> So I'm not very useful at all. :)
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76689 in xorg-server (main) "Lose Colors and Text with Compiz on PPC" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76689
[05:31] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Sweet.
[05:31] <sfllaw> marnanel: I suppose not.
[05:31] <sfllaw> marnanel: Do you live in a Commonwealth country still?
[05:32] <marnanel> sfllaw: I don't live in *the* Commonwealth at all. Though I do live in *a* commonwealth. :)
[05:32] <ajmitch> boston?
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76690 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76690
[05:39] <marnanel> no, Pennsylvania
[05:41] <bddebian> Whoa, where?
[05:52] <marnanel> Outskirts of Philadelphia.
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76691 in banshee-official-plugins (universe) "banshee audioscrobbler not report music history" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76691
[05:59] <bddebian> marnanel: I'm in Schwenksville and work down by the Philly airport
[05:59] <marnanel> bddebian: Oh, cool. I'm in Pottstown and work in Center City
[05:59] <marnanel> How can I confirm a bug? Do I need special privs?
[06:00] <sfllaw> marnanel: Nope.   Sorry, I'm not used to Launchpad. I'm trying to learn...
[06:01] <bddebian> The package name/link
[06:02] <marnanel> oh, gotcha. thanks
[06:02] <marnanel> bddebian: I go through Sanatoga on the bus
[06:02] <bddebian> Oohh, there's a ripe joke right there.. ;-P
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76693 in gdm (main) "gdmsetup fails to start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76693
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76694 in firefox (main) "FireFox v2.0 Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76694
[06:35] <bddebian> Gnight gents
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76695 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Cannot log back into system after suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76695
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76696 in Ubuntu "alt key doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76696
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76697 in network-manager (main) "Scan times out on orinoco_cs card, won't connect to network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76697
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76698 in Ubuntu "grubinstall failed with code 1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76698
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76517 in rawstudio (universe) "crashed while exporting?" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76517
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[07:37] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee!
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76699 in irda-utils (main) "irda-utils doesn't uninstall" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76699
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76400 in epiphany-browser "epiphany does not show tooltip" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76400
[08:35] <highvoltage> hi bugsquashers
[08:35] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[08:36] <highvoltage> if there's an old bug for ubuntu 5.04 that's going nowhere, can it be rejected since 5.04 isn't supported anymore
[08:36] <highvoltage> hey dholbach!
[08:36] <highvoltage> (insert question mark at end of my sentence)
[08:36] <dholbach> yes
[08:36] <Hobbsee> highvoltage: yes
[08:37] <highvoltage> ok, will do.
[08:38] <highvoltage> I've been focussing on debian-installer bugs, and it seems that a lot of them has kind of disappeared under the radar
[08:38] <highvoltage> would it perhaps be a good idea if packages could be assigned to certain bug squashers for a while, so that someone can go through all the bugs in a certain package and do some triaging?
[08:39] <highvoltage> for example, this week, I own debian-installer and ltsp, next week someone else does, then I own different packages to triage again.
[08:40] <highvoltage> not sure if I'm explaining what I'm thinking well enough, or if it's really a good idea in the first place, I just think that a 'sweep' approach makes sense for a lot of bugs that have been gathering dust.
[08:44] <dholbach> going through packages consecutively is a good idea
[08:44] <dholbach> I wouldn't assign the bugs to a person though
[08:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: not bugs per se, but packages, and also not assigned (like in assigned in Launchpad)
[08:47] <highvoltage> but more on a rotation basis.
[08:47] <highvoltage> and something that can be done on a wiki page maybe.
[08:48] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:48] <highvoltage> I'm willing to run with it too, if it won't trample on anyones feet. will talk to sfllaw about it first too, I don't think it could do any harm?
[08:49] <dholbach> you could write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get some more opinions on it
[08:49] <dholbach> I think it's a good idea
[08:49] <dholbach> maybe even if we get teams together
[08:49] <highvoltage> yep
[08:50] <dholbach> nice
[08:50] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok, will do
[08:50] <dholbach> rock and roll :-)
[08:50] <highvoltage> :-D
[08:51] <highvoltage> omg, somehow I wasn't subscribed to that list yet.
[08:52] <dholbach> :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> dholbach: btw, the description line for the list doesn't seem to be set if you look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[08:53] <sfllaw> highvoltage: I think this could be a very useful idea.
[08:54] <highvoltage> sfllaw: I think I'll put together a wiki page before posting to the list about it, to attempt to demonstrate how some of this will work
[08:54] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: is there a way to see the 100 oldest bugs?
[08:55] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: Look for all open bugs and sort by number.
[08:55] <sfllaw> Untriaged bugs might also be good.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> true
[08:55] <Burgundavia> I have found that people like to work on small, discrete things
[08:56] <Burgundavia> such as a single product, or a single class of bug
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76565 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "/dev/parport0 not created" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76565
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76523 in firefox (main) "when firefox is working, cpu start to work heavy and at the end firefox crash. It's not the first time and sometimes the crash became a system crash" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76523
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76700 in pyspi (universe) "Please sync pyspi (main) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76700
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76442 in Ubuntu "[REMOVE]  Linux 2.6.19 no longer needed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76442
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76489 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "network device, module r8169, fails after some minutes" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76489
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76347 in casper (main) "LiveCD 6.10 HW-modem fails where LiveCD 6.06 works" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76347
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76701 in sabayon (main) "Please sync sabayon (main) from Debian" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76701
[09:37] <highvoltage> oh no, I said adpot :)
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76702 in xfce4-xmms-plugin (universe) "Please sync xfce4-xmms-plugin (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76702
[09:43] <highvoltage> not quite sure what to make of bug 14677
[09:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14677 in debian-installer "Installer doesn't allow for use of LVM on SW RAID devices" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14677
[09:44] <highvoltage> can I reject that since it's a request for Warty?
[09:44] <highvoltage> or should it remain a feature request? (I'm sure raid and lvm support has been greatly improved since then)
[09:46] <highvoltage> can I close the bug and suggest that the user log a new bug if the problem still exists in newer Ubuntu versions?
[09:47] <palski> highvoltage: i think you could ask is it still happening and if not, then close the bug
[09:47] <highvoltage> palski: ok
[09:50] <lifeless> highvoltage: or you could try it yourself :)
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76703 in byzanz (universe) "Please merge byzanz (Universe) from Debian" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76703
[09:52] <highvoltage> lifeless: true :)
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76704 in tepache (universe) "Please sync tepache (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76704
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76561 in mono (main) "crashes in the background..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76561
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76705 in php5 (main) "cURL in PHP5, CURLOPT_HTTPHEADER problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76705
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76706 in Ubuntu "NTP package for ntp syncronization support can't be installed in feisty 7.04 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76706
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76707 in rawstudio (universe) "Please sponsor rawstudio upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76707
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76708 in initramfs-tools (main) "conflict with LVM when updating package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76708
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76709 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76709
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76710 in acpi-support (main) "sony-acpi module not loaded by default in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76710
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76711 in omins (universe) "Please sync omins (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76711
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76712 in gst-plugins-bad0.10 (universe) "mms stream not playing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76712
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76713 in gaim-encryption (universe) "Segmentation Fault on gaim-encryption acticating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76713
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76714 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ipw3945 module loaded but not active (no wifi)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76714
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76511 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox allows song to be added above currently playing song in play queue" [Low,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76511
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76715 in blender (universe) "blender crashes when importing .svg vector file using blender internals method" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76715
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76397 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin crashes on startup" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76397
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76716 in om (universe) "Please sponsor om upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76716
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76717 in knoda (universe) "[MoM feisty]  please sync knoda from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76717
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74560 in eboard (universe) "eboard quits after a few minutes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74560
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76718 in plotdrop (universe) "Please sync plotdrop (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76718
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76719 in pax-utils (universe) "Please sync pax-utils (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76719
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76720 in keytouch-editor (universe) "Please sync keytouch-editor (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76720
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76722 in hugin (universe) "Please sync hugin (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76722
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76723 in firefox (main) "Fermeture de FF 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76723
[01:03] <palski> that's not english =)
[01:04] <palski> any french people around?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> sfllaw: can we just ask for a translater in the bug report.
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76727 in gmorgan (universe) "Please sync gmorgan (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76727
[01:05] <gnomefreak> palski: ff crashes
[01:05] <gnomefreak> palski: im looking for how to reproduce it not sure what he says other than that :)
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76725 in gst-plugins-farsight (universe) "Please sync gst-plugins-farsight (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76725
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76726 in kopete (main) "kopete does not save server password in network configuration panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76726
[01:06] <palski> gnomefreak: ok, thanks
[01:13] <elmargol> seb128: do you have any contacts to the gtkpod developers? I reported a bug upstream and no reaction so far.
[01:14] <seb128> elmargol: not really, I know one of the contributors though, what bug is that?
[01:14] <elmargol> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=519273&aid=1616970&group_id=67873
[01:17] <fernando> moin all
[01:19] <gnomefreak> palski: i transalted the first line of the bug report and it still doesnt make much sense to me
[01:19] <gnomefreak> i added it to the report
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76728 in firefox (main) "firefox 2.0 crashes uploading an image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76728
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76729 in bittornado (main) "Bittornado crashes unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76729
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76730 in libpam-mount (universe) "[MoM feisty]  please sync libpam-mount from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76730
[01:40] <seb128> elmargol: that's on feisty?
[01:40] <seb128> hi fernando
[01:41] <elmargol> no it's my own backport
[01:41] <elmargol> my ipod is to new for edgy
[01:41] <seb128> palski: what bug?
[01:41] <seb128> elmargol: "to new"?
[01:41] <fernando> seaLne: hey
[01:41] <seb128> what happens, it's not detected?
[01:42] <elmargol> i have several bugs
[01:42] <seb128> elmargol: a debug backtrace would be nice (build the package with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt,nostrip)
[01:42] <elmargol> we allready did this one or 2 months ago
[01:43] <seb128> well, there is a bug opened
[01:43] <elmargol> it was to late for edgy
[01:43] <seb128> nobody replied to my question
[01:43] <seb128> what happens when your ipod is too new?
[01:43] <seb128> there was a crasher I fixed before edgy
[01:43] <seb128> due to firmware change
[01:43] <seb128> but looks like people claim they have an ipod to new but don't want to describe what that means and what happens with it
[01:44] <elmargol> If you have time I can get some backtraces...
[01:44] <seb128> which is not really useful to fix their problem
[01:44] <seb128> so that's a crashing problem?
[01:44] <seb128> does libgpod 0.4 fix that?
[01:44] <elmargol> libgpod fixes the music feature
[01:44] <elmargol> i still have a bug adding my podcasts
[01:45] <elmargol> first i had a crasher by adding music to my ipod
[01:45] <elmargol> now i have a crasher by adding podcasts to my ipod
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76731 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "Lack of warning message when low on diskspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76731
[01:46] <elmargol> I downgrade to the edgy version and do some backtraces...
[01:48] <seb128> ok, thank you
[01:48] <seb128> I'm away for lunch but will read the chan when I'm back
[01:49] <palski> seb128: #76723 I guess
[01:50] <gnomefreak> seb128: have a good lunch
[01:51] <elmargol> the new ipods are so damn slow :(
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76733 in update-notifier (main) "crashed trying to do daily update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76733
[02:09] <seb128> palski: you were speaking about french, didn't, you?
[02:11] <palski> seb128: yes, and that bug report is in french I guess, bug #76723. But it seems taht gnomefreak already translated it
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76723 in firefox "Fermeture de FF 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76723
[02:11] <seb128> ok
[02:12] <elmargol> 30 minutes to copy 18 GB from my Ipod to my disc :(
[02:13] <palski> hmmm, but I cannot understand that at all =)
[02:15] <seb128> well, firefox crashed after startup
[02:15] <seb128> and the backtrace is not really useful
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76736 in Ubuntu "Package-related applications chrash after clean install on vmware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76736
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76737 in nat (universe) "smb-nat segmentation fault while working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76737
[02:17] <seb128> dholbach: don't steal action for people who try to participate ;) (the guy who asked if he should reassigning his bug to fluxbox)
[02:17] <dholbach> oh, right
[02:18] <Hobbsee> bug 2
[02:18] <seb128> s/reassigning/reassign
[02:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76738 in drscheme (universe) "Installing mzscheme and/or drscheme gives an error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76738
[02:37] <seb128> do you think that the shadow on the task is buggy?
[02:37] <seb128> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4605894/selected-event.png
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76739 in mono (main) "Mono Crashes when Evolution is closed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76739
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76741 in alsa-driver (main) "Alsa in Feisty should be upgraded to 1.0.14-rc1 to handle headphones and other issues with Conexant HD Audio chips" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76741
[03:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76740 in update-manager (main) ""Starting update manager" progress dialogue violates HIG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76740
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76742 in Ubuntu "hda: error, ports already in use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76742
[03:24] <elmargol> seb128: sorry i can not reproduce my bugs, i think my filesystem was corrupted
[03:24] <elmargol> Now everything works fine
[03:25] <seb128> elmargol: ok, thank you for testing
[03:27] <elmargol> i think bug 28622 is important
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28622 in gnome-volume-manager "Warning should be displayed when a filesystem is remounted read-only." [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28622
[03:29] <seb128> elmargol: that doesn't happen that often
[03:30] <elmargol> well having a fat system on a removal medium really sucks! i have this often on my sd cards if i take fotos
[03:30] <elmargol> nor i had it on my ipod...
[03:30] <elmargol> now
[03:41] <bddebian> Boo
[03:44] <highvoltage> bddebian: eeek!
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76746 in amule (universe) "amule 2.1.3 patch for wxwidgets 2.8 compatibility" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76746
[03:52] <cypher1> ogra: hi are you there ?
[03:52] <cypher1> bddebian: sup ?
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76747 in openoffice.org (main) "impress freezes on save to ppt, apparently in BitmapReadAccess::GetPixelFor_1BIT_MSB_PAL" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76747
[03:58] <bddebian> cypher1: Not much yet
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76749 in gs-esp (main) "[SPARC/feisty]  gs-esp BUS ERROR" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76749
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76751 in beaglefs (universe) "Please sync beaglefs (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76751
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76752 in gmail-notify (universe) "Please sync gmail-notify (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76752
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76753 in xfonts-shinonome (universe) "[MoM feisty]  please sync xfonts-shinonome from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76753
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76754 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel BUG at fs/buffer.c:1235" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76754
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76755 in xfonts-mplus (universe) "[MoM Feisty]  pleasy sync xfonts-mplusfrom debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76755
[04:36] <TLE> Hey guys. I have been following bug 72379. It should be really easy to confirm or un-confirm, but it requires a 64 bit system. Is there someone here with a 64 bit system that have 5 minutes for that ?
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72379 in openoffice.org "Can't drag cells in OpenOffice.org Calc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72379
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76757 in xserver-xgl (universe) "zserver-xgl crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76757
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76756 in xfonts-mona (universe) "[MoM feisty]  pleasy sync xfonts-mona from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76756
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76758 in xfonts-marumoji (universe) "[MoM Feisty]  pleasy sync xfonts-marumoji from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76758
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76759 in xfonts-kaname (universe) "[MoM Feisty]  please sync xfonts-kaname from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76759
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76760 in language-pack-gnome-ar-base (main) "How are the lang packs created" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76760
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76761 in xfonts-artwiz (universe) "[MoM Feisty]  please sync xfonts-artwiz from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76761
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76762 in yelp (main) "searching "ctrl+alt+backspace" or "restarting x": no results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76762
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76763 in gnome-screensaver (main) "cannot enter my session from gnome-screensaver when locked with password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76763
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76764 in Ubuntu "RAID and LVM do not install with Edgy Alternative" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76764
[05:39] <Yawner> Hug day today?
[05:40] <Yawner> was this annouced on the bugspuad mailing list? or did I just miss it lol
[05:40] <Yawner> s/bugspuad/bugsquad
[05:43] <robepisc> Yawner: it really was yesterday. I suppose the topic is not up to date.
[05:43] <Yawner> oh right ok
[05:43] <Yawner> must have missed the annoucement :(
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76766 in Ubuntu "Qt is too slow in font operations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76766
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76767 in Ubuntu "Not sure if this is to do with ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76767
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76768 in Ubuntu "Labtec Webcam Pro not recognized in Feisty Herd1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76768
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76769 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "network-manager-pptp does not notify network-manager of disconnects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76769
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76770 in Ubuntu "unable to mount cdrom" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76770
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76771 in svk (universe) "Please sponsor svk upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76771
[05:58] <cypher1> should bug 76632 reported upstream ?
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[06:03] <jhaitas_> what's up yawner
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76772 in evolution (main) "crash trying to disable an account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76772
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71833 in groach (universe) "Nothing happens when I run groach" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71833
[06:39] <Yawner> howdy John
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76773 in kerry (universe) "[feisty]  Kerry does not include binaries and libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76773
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76775 in wlassistant (main) "package request: wlassistant 0.5.6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76775
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76774 in eog (main) "eog crashes when opening this jpg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76774
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76776 in Ubuntu "cannot upgrade to initramfs-tools 0.85" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76776
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74590 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "dns is not properly functional" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74590
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76777 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Fail to mount root (/dev/sda4 does not exists) on iMac G5 rev C" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76777
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76778 in fontconfig (main) "error scanning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76778
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76779 in Ubuntu "feisty crashes at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76779
[07:57] <bdmurray> I've confirmed a bug and I am not sure how to proceed after that.
[07:59] <cge> If I'm working on a patch for a bug, should I be assigning it to myself?
[08:02] <crimsun_> at least subscribe, but yes
[08:03] <bddebian> crimsun_: !!
[08:03] <crimsun_> bddebian!
[08:03] <sfllaw> OMG OMG OMG!!!
[08:05] <bddebian> Heh
[08:06] <bddebian> For python-all-dev, don't you still need a python-support or python-central build-dep?
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76780 in gnome-games (main) "[Feisty GNOME-Games Kubuntu]  glChess will not run - no glade module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76780
[08:15] <cge> That sounds like it might be easy enough to fix.
[08:15] <cge> Hmm... trivial.
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76396 in abiword "Abiword ignores DPI setting for zooming, assumes 72 dpi (1440 dpi / 20)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76396
[08:16] <cge> Strange, why is Ubugtu reporting that as new now? I reported it two days ago.
[08:18] <sfllaw> cge: Mail queueing.
[08:18] <cge> ah
[08:19] <cypher1> how can i get a source package from feisty on a edgy machine ?
[08:20] <cge> cypher1: You could download it manually.
[08:20] <cypher1> without modifying sources.list
[08:20] <crimsun_> bddebian: no, but it's generally used in combination
[08:20] <cypher1> cge, i see the orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and dsc files in packages.ubuntu.com
[08:20] <sfllaw> cge: You want orig.tar.gz and diff.gz.
[08:20] <cypher1> cge, are you refering to those ?
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76782 in gnome-app-install (main) "Installation of 1.5.0-10-1 (sun-java5-plugin) on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76782
[08:21] <cge> cypher1: yes
[08:21] <cypher1> sfllaw, after having both the gz's how do i apply the diff to the orig tar
[08:22] <cge> cypher1: Unpack the tar, then go into the directory and do zcat ../$diff-file | patch -p$some-number.
[08:22] <bddebian> crimsun_: Ah thanks.  I have a package I'm reviewing that gets this:
[08:22] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/revu/fala$ lintian ../../pbuild-feisty/result/fala_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:22] <bddebian> W: fala: binary-without-manpage fala
[08:22] <bddebian> E: fala: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/lib/fala/fala.py
[08:22] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/revu/fala$ ls
[08:22] <bddebian> And the only python build-dep is python-all-dev
[08:23] <cypher1> cge, thank you.. let me try that
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76554 in mldonkey (universe) "mldonkey doesn't work out of the box" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76554
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76783 in apt (main) "apt-cache --installed does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76783
[08:31] <sfllaw> cypher1: I think patch takes -p0
[08:32] <cypher1> sfllaw, ok
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76458 in less (main) "wishlist: make the -M option default" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76458
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76784 in Ubuntu "Audio-output error in Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pro V2055" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76784
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76785 in initramfs-tools (main) "[Fiesty]  fail to boot " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76785
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76786 in grub (main) "Crashed during install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76786
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76787 in Ubuntu "please sync apt-cross 0.0.5 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76787
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76788 in pulseaudio (universe) "pulseaudio-module-hal does not detect sound hardware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76788
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76789 in update-manager (main) "Update Manager Crashes While Launching" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76789
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76479 in doc++ (universe) "Merge doc++ 3.4.10-3.4 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76479
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76790 in shorewall (main) "/usr/share/shorewall/Limit file missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76790
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76792 in vlc (universe) "vlc cannot play xvid movies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76792
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76791 in xorg (main) "X savage driver problems (dapper)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76791
[09:21] <neutrinomass> Serpentine 0.7 is in testing and unstable but we still have 6.9 even in Feisty. 0.7 closes about 13 launchpad bugs ...
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76793 in Ubuntu "please sync exaile 0.2.6+debian-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76793
[09:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76796 in evolution (main) "evolutions consums lots of cpu while pinging imap server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76796
[09:57] <Ubug2> New bug: #76797 in tilda (universe) "Segmentation Fault & Core Dump in Tilda" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76797
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76800 in telepathy-butterfly (universe) "Crashes when doing nothing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76800
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76799 in freeloader (universe) "Failing to start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76799
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76801 in democracyplayer (universe) "Democracyplayer crashes when I start it up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76801
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76802 in gnome-gpg (universe) "--gen-key not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76802
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76803 in Ubuntu "Edgy: Users not in games group." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76803
[11:06] <cge> Why would the user be in the games group? So that they could forge high scores and impress their friends?
[11:06] <bddebian> heh
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76806 in ivman (universe) "Merge (Feisty): ivman from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76806
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76807 in bash (main) "/etc/skel/.bashrc sets HISTCONTROL twice in succession." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76807
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76804 in initramfs-tools (main) "initramfs above 0.85 does not detect sda..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76804
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76526 in xjump (universe) "Please sync xjump (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76526
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76809 in Ubuntu "MP3 player automount fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76809
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76810 in uncc (universe) "no documentation for uncc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76810
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76812 in rtorrent (universe) "rtorrent crashes when opening torrent..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76812
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76811 in firefox (main) "flashplayer site crashes firefox after new installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76811
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76813 in ecawave (universe) "crash on loading file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76813
[11:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71483 in gxine (main) "xine breaks dapper -> edgy dist-upgrade on xubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71483
[11:46] <somerville32> I can't figure out how to add a remote bug watch
[11:46] <somerville32> It used to be simple :S