[19:15] <WishingMaster> wesley_, there is an emergency hole on the drive
[19:16] <l0neWolf> unless it's a slot loading drive...
[19:16] <NGL-TwYsTeD> the one i have here is the rtl8185
[19:16] <earle> must... resist... bad taste humor...
[19:16] <alonea> earle: oh fun. and when people get all spazzy when you mention compiling kernel from source I get very confused. I did it in my first day with no problems. I didn't see the big deal. ^^;;;;;
[19:16] <wesley_> going see to that :)
[19:16] <earle> alonea: heh heh, sounds familiar
[19:16] <WishingMaster> ok does anyone have answer to my ques
[19:16] <WishingMaster> ?
[19:17] <alonea> earle: I bet. I was like, its not hard...caused lots of yelling though.
[19:17] <EversW> NGL-Twysted, the driver is here, you can compile it in a moment if the rtl8185 isn't recognized by default: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/
[19:18] <wesley_> wheres the emergency hole? i have a notebook dvd drive
[19:18] <BluesKaj> WishingMaster , what's pytube ?
[19:18] <WishingMaster> right next to eject button
[19:18] <Unksi> wesley_: it should be near the button
[19:19] <WishingMaster> its a software for youtube
[19:19] <alonea> wesley_: yours isn't popping out? and you tried eject button in nix?
[19:19] <WishingMaster> wesley_, there is an easy way as well
[19:19] <BluesKaj> WishingMaster , check in adept for the newest version
[19:19] <EversW> WishingMaster: i found this repository for pytube: deb http://www.bashterritory.com/pytube/releases /
[19:19] <EversW> but i don't think it will work, dunno really
[19:19] <alonea> wesley_: if you have kde4, click the thing in the tray that has your connected devices and when you mouse over there should be an eject button to the right.
[19:20] <EversW> the bashterritory domain is out
[19:20] <wesley_> i tried the eject button
[19:20] <WishingMaster> wesley_, boot the sys and press f2 a couple of times as soon as it starts(first screen)
[19:20] <wesley_> that will enter bios
[19:20] <l0neWolf> wesley_: http://www.pcdoctor-guide.com/wordpress/images/disc-eject-1.jpg
[19:20] <WishingMaster> wesley_, yes
[19:20] <l0neWolf> look for that
[19:21] <WishingMaster> wesley_, try eject
[19:21] <WishingMaster> wesley_, press the eject button on the drive
[19:22] <mefisto_> what about the eject command?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> ok I just updated with experimental ppas , and now konqueror help gives me this as my latest kde version : Version 4.1.96 (KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.2 RC1))
[19:22] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's not in there yet
[19:23] <stdin> "KDE 4.2 has been released. Users of our development Jaunty version can do a full upgrade to get the latest packages. Packages for 8.10 (Intrepid) will appear soon in the kubuntu-experimental PPA"
[19:23] <WishingMaster> wesley_, whats goin on?
[19:23] <wesley_> worked, kubuntu 8.04 is starting on notebook without hd
[19:23] <Frederick> folks under which configs of the new kde can I change the setting so I can see folkders I create on desktop?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, stdin , I guessed as much ,  cuz i had dropped the experimentals from my sources.list
[19:24] <stdin> Frederick: use the folderview plasmoid
[19:24] <WishingMaster> wesley_, without hd?
[19:24] <WishingMaster> wesley_, without hard drive
[19:25] <anjames> Where was ubuntu years ago when I got mixed up with gentoo? Oh spite.
[19:25] <wesley_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/110416/
[19:25] <alonea> well, I will check back later tonight to see if the packages are in. I will read the topic stdin even if I check here first. ^_^
[19:25] <Frederick> stdin: how?
[19:25] <wesley_> so those from tech support off hitach say i need to download there tools and test the hd´s provlems i dont have a cdrom drive
[19:25] <wesley_> someone help me
[19:26] <stdin> Frederick: right click the desktop -> Add Widgets -> Folder View
[19:26] <alonea> wesley_: ok, start from the beginning. What is your issue? cdrom or harddrive?
[19:26] <filthpig> aloha. Will it be possible to install KDE4.2 via repos in hardy?
[19:26] <filthpig> gues snot, huh
[19:26] <WishingMaster> wesley_, yeah what the main issue?
[19:26] <filthpig> guess not*
[19:26] <wesley_> harddrive
[19:26] <stdin> not in hardy, it's too old
[19:27] <wesley_> ive pasted the mail
[19:27] <WishingMaster> wesley_, whats happening to hd?
[19:27] <filthpig> but it's LTS though..
[19:27] <alonea> filthpig: nope. though upgrade to intrepid from hardy was very painless for me.
[19:27] <wesley_> they say i need to run their program
[19:27] <stdin> filthpig: wrong
[19:27] <solo> i need some help. my usb wont read anything to do with my dig cam.... sees ipod shuffel but nothing with the cam ????
[19:27] <Frederick> stdin: oki managed it but imho this sucks =/
[19:27] <wesley_> WishingMaster it makes tick tick sounds fast and slow
[19:27] <Pici> !latest | filthpig
[19:27] <WishingMaster> wesley_, of
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, ok
[19:28] <stdin> Frederick: you can set the whole desktop to that plasmoid
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, how old is it?
[19:28] <wesley_> and hitachi says i need to check it with there app
[19:28] <wesley_> 1 month
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, the hd is 1 month old?
[19:28] <Frederick> stdin: how?
[19:28] <wesley_> yes
[19:28] <WishingMaster> wesley_, it is a new system??
[19:28] <wesley_> yes
[19:29]  * anjames thinks wesley_ got an HD w/bad bearings
[19:29] <WishingMaster> wesley_,
[19:29] <WishingMaster> yeah
[19:29] <solo> i need some help. my usb wont read anything to do with my dig cam.... sees ipod shuffel but nothing with the cam ????
[19:29] <wesley_> a Mini itx system
[19:29] <filthpig> alonea: tried ibex, and it was okay enough, but it left my webcam image green, heh. And since I knew all I needed worked just fine in hardy I went for the "no surprises"-option and went back
[19:29] <WishingMaster> wesley_, is your system in return period?
[19:29] <wesley_> so no dvd drive
[19:29] <alonea> wesley_: I would get it exchanged. if its new and causing problems, its usually a bad one.
[19:29] <WishingMaster> yeah me too
[19:30] <wesley_> WishingMaster 24 montha warranty on all parts
[19:30] <WishingMaster> wesley_, contact Customer Care and get a refund
[19:30] <WishingMaster> wesley_, thats diffrent
[19:30] <WishingMaster> wesley_, are you in US?
[19:30] <stdin> Frederick: I think from the Desktop Setting menu (from right-click)
[19:30] <alonea> filthpig: ibex?
[19:30] <wesley_> Lol you need to send it for repair first, thats the way itr goes here
[19:30] <anjames> wesley_, What make/manufacturer is the drive?
[19:30] <filthpig> alonea: Intrepid Ibex, Ubuntu 8.10 :)
[19:31] <wesley_> I live in Netherlands and hitachi is the manufacturer
[19:31] <WishingMaster> wesley_, hmmmm
[19:31] <alonea> filthpig: i knew ibex sounded familiar. used to seeing it as intrepid.
[19:31] <alonea> filthpig: when did you try it? its been officially released now.
[19:31] <wesley_> Ive contact tech support, they said do some test with our app
[19:31] <filthpig> alonea: yeah, however I find ibex a lot simpler to write :P
[19:32] <uga> alonea: more familiar thanks to the biggest company market shares in Spain ;) (IBEX)
[19:32] <Frederick> stdin: could not find it there
[19:32] <filthpig> alonea: tried it right before christmas
[19:32] <EversW> uga : hehe, yeah, the ibex35
[19:32] <uga> exactly
[19:32] <uga> at some point I thought people had changed topic in here ;)
[19:33] <filthpig> and my webcam image was very wrong, like when you set saturisation, I think, to max. My face went green and the walls purple. And it wasn't the LSD, I tell you ;)
[19:34] <alonea> filthpig: I think I got it around thenish. but I also put all the prerelease packages on. my friends who didn't had problems with stuff. I do know my webcam is fine though
[19:35] <filthpig> and, I don't know, I just never felt really comfortable with ibex... Dunno why, though.
[19:35] <filthpig> Anyhoo, back to my initial questions: Is KDE4.2 included in jaunty, or will it first be included with 9.10?
[19:36] <EversW> filthpig, kde 4.2 is already on jaunty repos
[19:37] <filthpig> EversW: ah, kool. I'll just install the latest LiveCD on my usb-stick and try it out, then. It's Alpha 3 still, right?
[19:37] <EversW> yep, but they just updated the packages for 4.2 final
[19:38] <EversW> oh, you said install, i read try ;-)
[19:39] <EversW> For me, the worst thing in intrepid is the bad performance of the intel drivers
[19:39] <gorgonzola> hello.. will kde 4.2 appear as update in the intrepid repos?
[19:39] <White_Pelican> eventually :)
[19:39] <EversW> hehe
[19:39] <EversW> gorgonzola, right now will appear in the experimental ppa repository
[19:39] <alonea> EversW: video card? the drivers for my intel are just as bad in windows as linux. though linux i think is better
[19:39] <EversW> check out kubuntu.org site
[19:40] <EversW> yep alonea, for instance, i have a netbook with intel gma 945, and with windows xp works great, but with linux, it's clunky
[19:40] <gorgonzola> EversW and would installing that mess up my upgrade path for when it i realeased into the main repo?
[19:40] <EversW> i have another rig with gma 3100 and works a bit better. I had to enable XAA on the netbook to have it running a bit better
[19:41] <stdin> gorgonizer: it won't
[19:41] <EversW> gorgonzola, and path are the same, for installing the kde 4.2 rc, i added the repository and installed kubuntu-desktop (and some more other packages manually) because i'm using regular ubuntu
[19:42] <alonea> EversW: i have 965 i think and its terrible in windows.
[19:42] <gorgonzola> EversW: ok, thx1
[19:42] <EversW> 965 isn't a hit of course ;-) but works in 2D better in windows, and with hardy it worked for me better
[19:43] <EversW> i've being reading all the bug reports on launchpad about it, there are a lot of them ;-)
[19:44] <EversW> and... i tried a repository of someone with xorg fixes, and also some tweaks from the jaunty repository.... i ended with an slower system
[19:44] <alonea> EversW: its been fine in linux with compiz, but windows games are a nightmare. the frustrating thing is when changing setting of something like resolution makes no difference
[19:44] <EversW> some people reported that using GEM with linux works way better
[19:45] <EversW> alonea, yeah, games are out of the worth ;-) i'm more about 2D acceleration and compiz/kwin performance
[19:46] <alonea> EversW: have had excellent performance with compiz so far on this card. was very surpised.
[19:46] <khalidmian> i have a new kubunut installation and am looking to upgard ked from 4.1 to 4.2
[19:46] <EversW> i really really hope that, after reading all the information that people from phoronix report, the GEM, the new xorg, the new intel / nvidia /ati drivers resolves and finally gives linux the 2D acceleration it deserves
[19:47] <EversW> alonea, well not for me ;-) it gives me the "lag" sensation and sluggish using it, even without effects
[19:48] <EversW> stdin, i thing adding a news entry on kubuntu.org site with the information on how to update from 4.1 to 4.2 on intrepid and adding it to the channel topic would be greatly useful
[19:48] <khalidmian> GROANS--for - wait cause he has to wait for kde 4.2
[19:49] <stdin> EversW: there will be, once it's ready
[19:49] <EversW> cool
[19:49] <EversW> all right guys, i'm off for dinner, cya later ;-)
[19:50] <khalidmian> how soon is soon? 2 months?
[19:50] <alonea> khalidmian: later today.
[19:50] <khalidmian> woooooooooohoooooooooo
[19:50] <alonea> khalidmian: its out officially, but the repos have to be made.
[19:51] <stdin> it's already mostly build in jaunty, it's currently building for intrepid
[19:51] <khalidmian> yeah i was trying the repos and it was coming up with weird things
[19:51] <alonea> khalidmian: if you want to compile by source, you can.
[19:51] <xiong> so, how to downgrade to 8.04?
[19:51] <tbr281> well that just answered my question ^ :P
[19:51] <alonea> xiong: not liking intrepid or kde4?
[19:55] <khalidmian> i dont remember how i got a volume for digital alongside pcm and front i cant seem to recall the steps i took
[19:55] <wesley___> okay hd problem guy am i
[19:55] <WishingMaster> apt-get install kde             is this the command to install latest kde on ubuntu running in GNOME
[19:56] <trappist> WishingMaster: kubuntu-desktop, not kde
[19:56] <stdin> it's recommended to use "kubuntu-desktop" *not* "kde"
[19:56] <stdin> "kde" pulls in pretty much every KDE lib/app
[19:56] <WishingMaster> stdin, i just want kde not kubuntu
[19:56] <Roby2> ! http://www.ihateyounatalie.com/?id=1175538
[19:56] <Roby2> save the pervs! http://www.ihateyounatalie.com/?id=1175538
[19:57] <trappist> too slow
[19:57] <khalidmian> stdin: should i install ubuntu restricted extras or kubuntu restricted extras only in kubuntu
[19:58] <WishingMaster> i want kde only
[19:58] <stdin> WishingMaster: use kde-core
[19:58] <WishingMaster> how?
[19:58] <WishingMaster> command?
[19:58] <stdin> sudo apt-get install kde-core
[19:58] <khalidmian> stdin: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras OR sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ???
[19:58] <WishingMaster> stdin, will this install latest kde? apt-get install kde-core
[19:58] <stdin> khalidmian: you can have both
[19:59] <khalidmian> i have kubuntu so that why im asking
[19:59] <stdin> khalidmian: the only difference is kubuntu-restricted-extras installs xine mp3 support and ubuntu-restricted-extras installs gstreamer mp3 support
[19:59] <stdin> WishingMaster: it's a meta-package, it'll install what ever is available
[20:00] <khalidmian> stdin: which is better considering im not using gnome
[20:00] <WishingMaster> gr8
[20:00] <stdin> the kubuntu one
[20:00] <khalidmian> ty
[20:01] <khalidmian> stdin: E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras any clue why?
[20:01] <stdin> you need to enable multiverse
[20:02] <khalidmian> oooooooops
[20:04] <xiong> alonea: been suggested that i downgrade to kde3 for performance reasons on dell C600
[20:04] <alonea> xiong: oh! i remember you.
[20:05] <xiong> well i'm *this* close to throwing the laptop in the nearest garbage can
[20:05] <xiong> and waddling away with unkind thoughts about linux, too
[20:05] <alonea> xiong: not sure if there is a downgrade option, but if you split your home from your root partition, reinstalling should take maybe 20 minutes max
[20:05] <xiong> hardware and os are not getting along nicely with one another
[20:06] <alonea> xiong: so you don't loose any files, but it sounds like there isn't anything to loose at this point
[20:06] <tyler_d1> error compiling a .bin libm.so.6 cannot open shared object file
[20:06] <xiong> okay; is there a web page that explains what you said for the benefit of the ignorant?
[20:06] <darkadmin> Sorry
[20:06] <tyler_d1> !libm.so.6
[20:06] <WishingMaster> xiong, whats the problem with dell?
[20:06] <alonea> WishingMaster: its a pentium 3
[20:06] <xiong> there seem to be several major issues
[20:07] <WishingMaster> xiong, like?
[20:07] <xiong> for instance, inserting the wireless card freezes the whole machine
[20:07] <WishingMaster> hmmm
[20:07] <xiong> this wireless card known good -- works in another laptop
[20:07] <xiong> i'm on a wire right now, sucks
[20:07] <xiong> for instance, the damnslow everything
[20:08] <alonea> xiong: I was just saying to reinstall root only and not having to reformat /home. I like to put my root and my /home on separate partitions.
[20:08] <xiong> which i consider ridiculous; i get much better speed running mac os 9 on an old G3 running a less than half the speed
[20:08] <WishingMaster> xiong, what is the amount of memory installed?
[20:08] <earle> yay, os 9!
[20:08] <xiong> 256Mb main memory
[20:08] <nsaw> hi
[20:08] <earle> happy memories
[20:08] <alonea> xiong: but yes. hardy would be very good for you. i have a friend with a dell p3 laptop and kubuntu hardy without speed issues
[20:08] <WishingMaster> xiong, how much is sharred with video card?
[20:09] <nsaw> how can i start kde-nighty in a nx session? The default is kde 4.1
[20:09] <xiong> don't really know -- there is 8Mb dedicated vram
[20:09] <WishingMaster> xiong, get into BIOS and check video buffer size
[20:10] <xiong> i have no idea how to do that
[20:10] <alonea> ok, I have a question on the terminal. how do I scroll up when the output is very long and seems to cut off
[20:10] <sigma1234> guys whats the eta on kde4.2?
[20:10] <stdin> sigma1234: read the topic
[20:10] <alonea> sigma1234: probably tonight
[20:10] <alonea> stdin: he was asking when, not if it is
[20:10] <stdin> alonea: shift + PgUp/PgDown
[20:10] <xiong> when i reboot the box, i can press F2=setup and it says, i have 8Mb video ram
[20:10] <WishingMaster> xiong, if its set 128 mb then change it to 8 mb
[20:10] <stdin> there is no ETA, it's when it builds
[20:10] <WishingMaster> xiong, ok
[20:11] <xiong> there is no way to adjust this
[20:11] <WishingMaster> xiong, do you have a dual boot system?
[20:11] <xiong> and this should be enough for 1024x768 at millions of colors, anyway
[20:11] <xiong> no, don't have got
[20:11] <WishingMaster> xiong, ok
[20:11] <sigma1234> yeah i saw it, i dont get it though - if kde is tagged about a week prior to release why are the packages only built on the official release date?
[20:11] <alonea> stdin: it still stops at when I can manually move the scroll bar. is there a limit to number of lines in an output
[20:11] <xiong> kubuntu 8.10 on a clean HD
[20:12] <WishingMaster> xiong, hmmmm
[20:12] <xiong> there are currently 2 partitions, equal in size
[20:12] <xiong> it's the devil to see them, though
[20:12] <stdin> sigma1234: because the packages are not frozen until today
[20:12] <wesley___> why is it that when i invite someone to cam that the cam doesnt start ?
[20:12] <stdin> alonea: it depends on the buffer for the terminal
[20:12] <xiong> i expect to see each partition show up on the desktop as a distinct drive
[20:13] <alonea> stdin: how can I set the buffer?
[20:13] <xiong> but actually, nothing shows on the desktop at all
[20:13] <xiong> dolphin is weird
[20:13] <sigma1234> ah i see, rats thought id be able to install tonight, oh well guess tomorrow, the us guys will probably have a free4all if its out tonight anyway:)
[20:13] <stdin> alonea: why not just use less?
[20:13] <xiong> is there a file manager that adheres strictly to the file-and-folder icon metaphor??
[20:13] <xiong> that is, when i double-click a folder, i expect to see a window open with its contents
[20:14] <BattleStarJesus> How do I unlock "Unable to get exclusive lock"?
[20:14] <xiong> and i expect all such windows to remain open on the desktop at all times, unless i deliberately hide them
[20:14] <BattleStarJesus> I mean I am getting the error "Unable to get exclusive lock" how do I fix this error?
[20:15] <alonea> stdin: I am testing out some programs that shows the steps to solve puzzles for my cs project. testing extremes and wanted to see what it said at the beginning in the output. its a lot of lines....
[20:15] <wesley___> So i invite on msn to video chat, but the video doesnt turn on
[20:15] <stdin> alonea: use less, you do "command | less"
[20:15] <BluesKaj> BattleStarJesus, make sure you don't have any package mangers open , then do this in the konsole : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[20:15] <stdin> alonea: it'll then let you scroll through the output
[20:15] <xiong> there doesn't seem to be any directory, at any level, that just shows both partitions
[20:16] <alonea> stdin: lol! i get it now.
[20:16] <BattleStarJesus> BluesKaj: that is one for the books
[20:16] <stdin> xiong: if you have 2 partitions, then one must be the root and the other will be mounted somewhere on the root
[20:16] <xiong> and the whole business with root is driving me nuts
[20:16] <xiong> i mean, root user
[20:16] <BluesKaj> BattleStarJesus ,   then remove broken dependencies  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:16] <stdin> eg /media/disk2
[20:17] <xiong> there is a junk file in /
[20:17] <stdin> we don't use the root user, we use sudo
[20:17] <xiong> i know it's junk, i created it doing sth dumb
[20:17] <xiong> i can't delete it in dolphin
[20:17] <xiong> what's the point of a GUI if you're working the command line all the time?
[20:17] <stdin> use "kdesudo dolphin" to get dolphin to start as root
[20:18] <stdin> alt-f2 -> kdesudo dolphin
[20:18] <DaSkreech> xiong: or if you want to be quick F4 then sudo rm junk
[20:18] <xiong> alt-F2 will give me a bash shell, right?
[20:18] <BattleStarJesus> BluesKaj: that is a very exact resolution.
[20:18] <alonea> root is good!
[20:18] <Frederick> Folks on new kubuntu how automount  for usb devices work?
[20:18] <stdin> xiong: no
[20:18] <stdin> xiong: it's the run dialog
[20:18] <ubuntu__> so i get invited, i accept the cam invites, but i am not getting any cam screens
[20:18] <claydoh> xiong: if you want to open folders in separate windows, you can do so using Konqueror as a file browser
[20:18] <xiong> k, i see it
[20:19] <ubuntu__> its kopete
[20:19] <xiong> i want a file manager without all the menus and icons and sidebar and weirdstuff
[20:19] <alonea> imho konqueror is a lot less complicated. I am still leery of dolphin on most days
[20:19] <s0101> does anybody have a link to ubuntu channel?
[20:19] <xiong> i want to see the same environment when i hit an open or save dialog from within an application
[20:19] <stdin> alonea: konqueror uses dolphin to show files/directories
[20:19] <alonea> stdin: that you for that less command.
[20:19] <stdin> s0101: #ubuntu
[20:19] <s0101> cheers
[20:20] <claydoh> xiong: you can remove/add those parts in both konqueror and dolphin for the most part
[20:20] <xiong> i have struggled a little and i understand that i can delete the junk file by going to the shell in one of several ways and "rm" it
[20:20] <xiong> i just don't see why it is all so difficult/complex
[20:20] <stdin> there is simply more choice
[20:20] <mefisto_> xiong: it's not. must be just you :)
[20:20] <xiong> i had a similar problem taming multiple monitors on the mac
[20:21] <stdin> in unix there is often more than one way to preform the same task
[20:21] <claydoh> it is? I just found it pretty quickly myself, never considered separate windows before
[20:21] <xiong> i downloaded the shareware SwitchRes and that lets me do nearly anything that *could* be possible, including a lot of things that aren't
[20:21] <xiong> now, with this laptop, i can't figure out how to get the screen resolution/depth correct
[20:22] <ubuntu__> has someone get uberhaupts cams working with msn ?
[20:22] <xiong> all i want is a window with every possible video mode and i can click on them, see if they work, and if they do, set them as available anywhere
[20:23] <xiong> instead i'm digging through xorg.conf, modeline generators, and similar advanced/sohphisticated stuff
[20:23] <xiong> is there a linux distro for the non-MSCS?
[20:24]  * anjames is away: Gone away for now
[20:24] <DaSkreech> alonea: Konqueror is less complicated? Boggle
[20:25] <alonea> DaSkreech: I really dont like dolphin...
[20:25] <DaSkreech> xiong: Remove the sidebars config away toolbars press Ctrl+M
[20:25] <xiong> dolphin smacks of windoz and mac os x
[20:26] <xiong> ctl-M doesn't seem to do anything
[20:26] <xiong> ah
[20:26] <DaSkreech> xiong: Yes it does
[20:27] <BluesKaj> don't understand dolphin , altho it does give me access to my ntfs partition
[20:27] <xiong> it eliminates the menu bar
[20:27] <DaSkreech> YEs
[20:27] <xiong> okay, but then the menus are gone
[20:27] <DaSkreech> remove the sirebars and the toolbars and press ctrl+M
[20:27] <DaSkreech> there you go just the files as you asked for
[20:27] <xiong> mac os 9 has one single menu bar at top of screen
[20:27] <EagleScreen> alonea use konqueror
[20:27] <DaSkreech> alonea: Not liking dolphin and it being more complex are two things :)
[20:27] <xiong> whatever the frontmost window, that's the set of menus displayed
[20:27] <stdin> konqueror uses dolphin to show files/directories
[20:28] <alonea> EagleScreen: I know. and I do.
[20:28] <DaSkreech> xiong: That's being worked on for KDE4
[20:28] <stdin> it's the same thing with different window decoration
[20:28] <xiong> windoz and kde seem to have a menu bar stuck at the top of every window
[20:28] <alonea> DaSkreech: I don't understand dolphin most of the time. to me, its more complex than konq
[20:28] <stdin> xiong: that's where people expect it to be
[20:28] <sourcemaker> it's great to see, that kde 4.2 is out... it there a release date for kubuntu packages on PPA?
[20:28] <xiong> i suppose i can learn to live with it but it means more screen real estate goes to this kind of overhead, less to content
[20:28] <DaSkreech> alonea: hmm interesting what confuses you?
[20:29] <Guest31026> my adept pkg mngr wont load what do i do?
[20:29] <xiong> stdin: "people" being windoz users
[20:29] <EagleScreen> sourcemaker packages will be avoilable in hours
[20:29] <DaSkreech> xiong: wait a few releases and you can have that in KDE 4 a well
[20:29] <stdin> well, it's on the top in mac too
[20:29] <sourcemaker> EagleScreen: great job :-)
[20:29] <xiong> right: one menu bar, not a dozen for a dozen windows
[20:29] <xiong> never mind; it's the least of my complaints
[20:30] <stdin> it just changes for each application, it is actually several different menu bars
[20:30] <xiong> first, to get the full screen working at full resolution and depth
[20:30] <BluesKaj> anyway, BBL.. errands
[20:30] <xiong> second, to get the wireless card working
[20:30] <xiong> with those things fixed, i hope to be able to learn my way through more issues
[20:31] <alonea> DaSkreech: I can never seem to get to anything I want. I want to right click my volumes and get the properties such as space left. it seems every time I use it I cant get it to do what i want it to do.
[20:31] <xiong> you know, i can probably even ignore dolphin and learn to do my file maintenance in bash
[20:31] <xiong> there was a time, 20 years ago, when we did everything that way; there was no gui
[20:31] <DaSkreech> alonea: Good call
[20:32] <xiong> i just think it's kinda horrible ugly to go back to that now
[20:32] <DaSkreech> xiong: ugly yes efficient yes
[20:32] <stdin> if you think it's ugly
[20:32] <xiong> maybe i just need to ditch kde entirely and get serious about working from shell
[20:32] <alonea> DaSkreech: that and when I went to the newer stuff I didnt have my right click and extract, but that isn't dolphin, though. its in now though as of RC
[20:33] <EagleScreen> $ df -h
[20:33] <DaSkreech> alonea: That was ark that's fixed now. The volume thing is intersting
[20:33] <DaSkreech> There is a freespace at the bottom of Dolphin but I guess right click is faster
[20:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: yeah, I am used to being able to do that, not get confused and have to find my volume then using up
[20:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: cause my root and /home are on separate partitions
[20:34] <alonea> DaSkreech: so its very hard to see how much space is left on each
[20:35] <DaSkreech> alonea: actually there should just be an overlay
[20:35] <keres> hello DaSkreech
[20:35] <alonea> DaSkreech: where?
[20:36] <xiong> well, i've run out of time -- gtg
[20:36] <xiong> work on it again later
[20:36] <xiong> thx
[20:36] <alonea> xiong: and get hardy!
[20:36] <DaSkreech> on the sidebar so anything that's a volume shuld have a bar showing how full it is
[20:36] <alonea> DaSkreech: nope
[20:36] <DaSkreech>  there is already an overlay to say if its mounted or not
[20:36] <xiong> i don't know how to do that; i'm convinced if i try i will wipe out everything
[20:36] <DaSkreech> alonea: I'm not saying there is I'm saying there should be
[20:36] <xiong> we'll pick it up next time, thx
[20:37] <alonea> DaSkreech: ah.
[20:37] <mjobin> hi everyone
[20:37] <alonea> i just don't want to spend forever searching for simple information.
[20:37] <DaSkreech> sounds like something to throw at bugs.kde.org when it comes back up
[20:38] <mjobin> I got a weird problem... suddenly my desktop freeze and was not answering to any mouse click. ssh was not responding. like my system could not fork anymore. I rebooted and now every KDE applications will take 100% of the CPU, including konsole, kdm_greet or plasma.
[20:38] <DaSkreech> hi keres
[20:38] <mjobin> I think it could be related to a recent package upgrade I did, but I'm not sure what ... ?
[20:39] <Guest31026> my adept pkg mngr wont load what do i do?
[20:39] <alonea> DaSkreech: and my touchpad is still insane to me
[20:39] <firfir> !tr
[20:39] <legodude__> mjobin: sounds like it
[20:40] <legodude__> ugh, anyone know why my konq would continually crash on me?
[20:41] <mjobin> nobody heard of a similar problem running 8.10 and kde 4.2rc1 ?
[20:42] <DaSkreech> legodude__: When does it do that?
[20:42] <legodude__> there are tons of weird problems
[20:42] <legodude__> DaSkreech: contiunally
[20:42] <legodude__> continually
[20:42] <legodude__> non-repeatably
[20:42] <legodude__> same error message every time if I run from terminal
[20:42] <spine55> any one know of any good font smoothing improvements?
[20:42]  * aapzak legodude__: 4.2 final? Have you restarted after install?
[20:42] <DaSkreech> legodude__: get the kdelibs-dbg and submit bug reports with debugging symbols
[20:43] <legodude__> k
[20:43] <jussi01> hrm, is there a kde4 ftp client yet?
[20:44] <legodude__> DaSkreech: will this slow things down terribly?
[20:44] <Lord^Anubis> ermm, use dolphin/konqueror?
[20:44] <legodude__> and can I easily do kdelibs-bin to return to non-debug?
[20:44] <jussi01> Lord^Anubis: they do ftp also? :)
[20:44] <aapzak> and don't use ftp, its unsave
[20:44] <Lord^Anubis> jussi01: yes, along with ssh
[20:44] <jussi01> aapzak: not my choice
[20:45]  * aapzak try sftp :)
[20:45] <jussi01> Lord^Anubis: I knew they did sftp, jut not ftp
[20:45]  * aapzak sftp or ssh
[20:45]  * aapzak use fish:// in dolphin or konq
[20:46]  * aapzak fish will get you sftp or ssh/scp
[20:46] <stdin> use sftp, not fish
[20:46] <stdin> jussi01: konqueror has done ftp for years ;)
[20:46] <aapzak> stdin: what is the difference?
[20:47]  * jussi01 blushes in stdin's direction and hides
[20:47] <stdin> aapzak: fish is a wrapper that logs in via ssh and installs a perl script to emulate sftp/scp functions
[20:47]  * alonea says GFTP is your friend
[20:47]  * aapzak and sftp is a straight implementation ?
[20:48] <stdin> no, all modern (and not so modern) ssh installs have sftp. some really old servers don't
[20:48] <DaSkreech> reaaaaally old
[20:49] <aapzak> unfortunally sftp was switched of on some servers @work, I have to use fish :)
[20:49]  * aapzak actually one of the reasons I use KDE
[20:49] <stdin> tell your sever admins to get a grip
[20:49] <aapzak> gnome cannot do fish :)
[20:49] <aapzak> I will :)
[20:49] <stdin> they enable ssh but not sftp, hah
[20:49]  * aapzak on purpose
[20:49] <jhgj> hello
[20:49] <DaSkreech> legodude__: Just remove the -dbg package
[20:49]  * aapzak they don't want filetransfers
[20:50] <stdin> but ssh does it anyway, eg: fish:// ;)
[20:50]  * aapzak I'm the onlyone in the office with fish :)
[20:50] <jhgj> i just installed ub i need help with windows share
[20:50] <stdin> and it's not like sftp opens any security issues, it's still encrypted and still requires a login
[20:51] <jussi01> !samba | jhgj
[20:51]  * aapzak stdin: you're right, I didn't get it either
[20:51] <jhgj> ok when i go to places and networking ub does not see anything
[20:52] <Lord^Anubis> i love fish
[20:52]  * aapzak me too, but I did not know about the wrapper stuff
[20:52] <stdin> I prefer stake
[20:53] <stdin> jhgj: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[20:54] <firfir> !tr
[20:59]  * anjames is back.
[21:04] <fuser> hey is kde 4.2 released
[21:05] <stdin> fuser: see the topic
[21:06] <fidji> what is vcom-tunnel 8001 ? I see that in wireshark
[21:06] <fuser> what you mean stdin
[21:06] <stdin> fuser: type /topic
[21:07] <fuser> but on the kde site, its telling that its released
[21:08] <White_Pelican> 4.2 has been released but it's going to take some time to be in the experimental branch
[21:08] <fuser> how could i upgrade to 4.2
[21:08] <stdin> you have to wait
[21:08] <fuser> why?
[21:09] <DaSkreech> fuser: compile from source
[21:09] <stdin> because it's not ready yet
[21:09] <White_Pelican> exactly
[21:09] <stdin> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 will have instructions when it's ready
[21:09] <fuser> when do you think it will be ready
[21:09] <stdin> when it builds
[21:09] <aapzak> :)
[21:09] <khalidmian> how do i enable digital out or spdif out in kmix
[21:11] <khalidmian> how do i enable digital out in kubuntu via kmix
[21:12] <khalidmian> i only seem to have vol control for front and pcm nt digital out
[21:13] <brun> w pk........
[21:14] <BattleStarJesus> I am trying to configure my computer to run festival.  I have followed the steps on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TextToSpeech but I do not have the /etc/festival.scm file how do I set this up?
[21:16] <stdin> BattleStarJesus: you don't need it. just install kttsd
[21:17] <stdin> then you can start it from KMenu -> Utilities -> Text-to-speech Manager
[21:18] <khalidmian> pls help re digital out vol i cant seem to find it in kmix
[21:18] <BattleStarJesus> stdin: ok got it.
[21:22] <Ketrel> A while ago I was told a command that could make plasmoids show up after I compiled without having to reboot, does anyone know that command?
[21:24] <astromme> Ketrel: "kquitapp plasma" then "kbuildsycoca4" then "plasma" and you should be good to go
[21:24] <stdin> Ketrel: kbuildsycoca4
[21:24] <stdin> you DO NOT need to quit plasma
[21:24] <astromme> no?
[21:24] <stdin> no
[21:24] <astromme> interesting....
[21:24] <astromme> Has that always been the case?
[21:24] <stdin> in fact, if you're going to quit plasma, you can miss out the "kbuildsycoca4" part
[21:24] <Ketrel> stdin: that's the one thanks much
[21:25] <stdin> astromme: yeah
[21:25] <BattleStarJesus> stdin: The text to speach system seems to be functioning properly.
[21:26] <stdin> easy hey :)
[21:26] <khalidmian> stdin: i did the following command sudo apt-get libxine-extracodecs and got invalid operation any siggestions/help?
[21:27] <stdin> khalidmian: that's an old package, just install kubuntu-restricted-extras or libxine1-ffmpeg
[21:27] <astromme> khalidmian: sudo apt-get install blah. you need the install
[21:27] <enig> I have a doubt. dows Kubuntu have a firewall??
[21:28] <stdin> enig: yes, but it does nothing by default
[21:29] <stdin> !firewall
[21:29] <aapzak> enig: not by default
[21:29] <mitchell> hello
[21:29] <mitchell> please help with firefox, when I rightclick on a link any of the options from the popup menu is executed randomly without making the second click
[21:29] <stdin> it's built-in to the kernel, you just want a GUI to configure it
[21:29] <khalidmian> stdin: is it sudo apt-get install vlc for vlc player?
[21:29] <stdin> yes
[21:30] <Guest94088> need help with adept it doesnt load
[21:30] <macdaddy> 1
[21:31] <mitchell> can someboy please help me?
[21:31] <khalidmian> stdin: how do i remove unwanted packages via sudo
[21:31] <enig> wow that iptables is more complicated then i thought...
[21:31] <enig> lol
[21:31] <stdin> khalidmian: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[21:32] <stdin> enig: that's why there are GUI's for it (and ufw, a command-line tool for it)
[21:33] <Guest44563> need help with adept it doesnt load
[21:33] <mefisto_> khalidmian: if you type man apt-get, you can see all the options available
[21:33] <Guest72012> #kubuntu-de-offtopic
[21:34] <khalidmian> stdin: having issues with digital output not showing in kmix any suggestions/help
[21:34] <enig> stdin: is there a GUI for the iptables?
[21:34] <KDesk> In Intrepid, will KDE 4.2 be available as update in the repo -update? In which repo will it be, and is it known when?
[21:34] <Guest72012> join #kubuntu-de
[21:34] <Guest72012> damn
[21:34] <stdin> enig: Guarddog and Firestarter are
[21:35] <stdin> khalidmian: nope, my sound just works. all 2 speakers of it
[21:35] <DaSkreech> !firewall | enig
[21:35] <enig> cool. will get one of them ASAP  xD  coding after a day of programming class...? i don't think so....
[21:36] <astromme> enig: "after a day" meaning after an entire day or after your first day?
[21:36] <enig> an entire day.
[21:36] <astromme> heh
[21:37] <enig> lol my head is pumping like hell, and math exam tomorrow... i think my head is having enough for one day :)
[21:37] <Guest44563> could someone help me to get adept pkg mngr to work?
[21:38] <astromme> enig: Yeah, i've got a engineering problemset due tomorrow, lots more work tonight >_>
[21:41] <ward_> when are the packages readu for 8.10 you think ?
[21:42] <jean> helo
[21:42] <Guest44563> how do i get back to root in konsole
[21:42] <geiseri> part
[21:43] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: sudo -i
[21:43] <jean> k1 de francais
[21:43] <Guest44563> ty
[21:43] <jean> ?
[21:43] <enig> LOL why everyone lets they're work to the last day..? just like my last project i didn't started when it was suposed to then i had to spent the last 3 nights without sleep just to finish it
[21:43] <enig> xD
[21:44] <EversW> hi, greetings from spain
[21:45]  * untitled_ wants kde4.2 packages
[21:45]  * untitled_ throw rock
[21:46]  * stdin throws it back
[21:46] <t-nor> hello, is kde 4.2 package going to be release this hour please ?
[21:46] <stdin> we rock hard enough already
[21:46] <DaSkreech> untitled_: upgrade to Jackalope
[21:46] <DaSkreech> stdin: lol
[21:47] <sinus> hello from france
[21:47] <untitled_> DaSkreech: is it possible to just install kde packages from there?
[21:47] <stdin> it's starting to sound like the eurovision song content in here
[21:47] <DaSkreech> untitled_: Ibex packages are coming very soon
[21:47] <sinus> hmm cant hear the music though
[21:48] <jpedroza> Is there a way to see where and what a .deb package installs?
[21:48] <stdin> sinus: you've seen the show, that's a good thing ;)
[21:48] <conferen34> does everyone know how to talk by webcam with a person using MSN?
[21:48] <stdin> jpedroza: open it in ark or use "less package.deb"
[21:48] <sinus> nah i dont have a TV
[21:48] <EversW> conferen34, amsn has webcam support, didn't try it though
[21:48] <untitled_> DaSkreech: Ibex mean 8.10?
[21:48] <stdin> jpedroza: or "dpkg-deb --contents package.deb"
[21:49] <Guest44563> could someone plz help me?
[21:49] <DaSkreech> untitled_: yes
[21:49] <jpedroza> stdin: Thanks!
[21:49] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: With ?
[21:49] <jpedroza> Guest44563: I am sure someone can, have you considered counseling?
[21:50] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  my adept mngr quit working
[21:50] <conferen34> did you really get success using amsn?
[21:50] <DaSkreech> jpedroza: Be nice
[21:50] <DaSkreech> !adept fix
[21:50] <jpedroza> DaSkreech: Sorry I couldn't resist. =)
[21:50] <EversW> conferen34, i'm using amsn on my everyday on one computer
[21:52] <conferen34> and do you chat by webcam with othre people that is using ms windows and msn?
[21:52] <EversW> i said i didn't try webcam on it ;-)
[21:52] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: well that didnt work did not do anything
[21:52] <conferen34> ok. thanks
[21:52] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Ok what is broken with it?
[21:53] <EversW> btw
[21:53] <EversW> just tested kopete and my webcam came up by itself
[21:53] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: dont know it just doesnt load
[21:53] <DaSkreech> How are you trying to load it?
[21:54] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: applications add remove
[21:54] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: try alt+F2 -> kdesudo adept
[21:55] <conferen34> my brother uses windows and msn and it's impossible to chat with him...
[21:55] <EversW> conferen34, i've run kopete (just did it), came to preferences, on webcam one
[21:55] <EversW> and my webcam turned on by itself and started to work
[21:55] <urmel291> kde 4.2 packages seem to be in kubuntu-experimental now, just upgrading...
[21:55] <EversW> take a look at it if you want to
[21:56] <EversW> if not, tell your brother to load skype in a moment
[21:56] <stdin> urmel291: I'd give it a minute, some packages are still copying over
[21:56] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: nothing happens
[21:56] <urmel291> stdin: thanks for the hint
[21:57] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: And adept is installed?
[21:57] <conferen34> ok. I'll try. thanks a lot
[21:57] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: yes it just quit working
[21:57] <EversW> you're welcome ;-)
[21:58] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: What happens if you run adept from the command line?
[21:58] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: how do i do that?
[21:59] <DaSkreech> from konsole just type adept
[21:59] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: fatal error occured
[21:59] <DaSkreech> oh dear
[22:00] <DaSkreech> What did it say the error was?
[22:00] <vollerthun> hi
[22:00] <KDesk> The packages for Intrepid will be in the kubuntu-experimental ppa? not in the kubuntu-members or -update?
[22:00] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  The application Adept (adept) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT).
[22:00] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ok try kdesudo adept
[22:01] <urmel291> KDesk: yes, kubuntu-experimental
[22:01] <lakis1982> is kde 4.2 coming out today ???  they said it would released 27 january
[22:01] <DaSkreech> lakis1982: It's released already
[22:01] <DaSkreech> packages for Kubuntu very soon
[22:02] <sourcemaker> year... kde is available right?
[22:03] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: same thing happend it crashed
[22:03] <randisi> ciao raga
[22:03] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: sudo apt-get remove adept --purge
[22:04] <mefisto_> or just sudo apt-get purge adept
[22:04] <randisi> ciao ciao
[22:05] <gizmobay> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10. I usually leave a terminal open with multiple tabs. In 8.04, when I rebooted the terminal opened with all the tabs. In 8.10, the terminal opens on reboot but only one tab.
[22:05] <lakis1982> and where i can find it ?
[22:05] <stdin> mefisto_: purge is not a apt-get command
[22:05] <gizmobay> Anyone know how to fix?
[22:05] <lakis1982> how can i install kde 4.2 ??
[22:05] <DaSkreech> !it
[22:05] <lakis1982> i have kubuntu 8.10
[22:05] <stdin> lakis1982: wait, it'll be ready soon
[22:05] <mefisto_> stdin: it is
[22:06] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: list of sources could not be read
[22:06] <stdin> mefisto_: ooh, it is
[22:06] <stdin> that's new, I didn't notice
[22:06] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:06] <mefisto_> should have done purge --reinstall
[22:08] <BluesKaj> ok,  I see that kde 4.2 has 93 software updates available , obviously the upgrade to the "official release" . Has anyone encountered any probs or broken packages
[22:08] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's not all there yet
[22:08] <t-nor> i'm installing all update from kubuntu-experimental repository
[22:09] <t-nor> 4.2 is release on kubuntu-experimental
[22:09] <stdin> no, it's not all there yet
[22:09] <t-nor> what is missing ?
[22:10] <stdin> several things
[22:10] <BluesKaj> are they loading the upgrade into the multiverse repos , stdin ?
[22:10] <stdin> no, it'll be in the PPA
[22:10] <Ishipapiter> hey how do i install KDE 4.2 on Ubuntu?
[22:10] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: E: Type 'http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/games/nexuizhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/games/nexuiz' is not known on line 45 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:11] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:12] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[22:12] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:13] <DaSkreech> !paste
[22:13] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  dont know how to
[22:13] <ward_> I was wondering how the packaging needs to be done etc
[22:14] <ward_> is tehere any info on ?
[22:14] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: how to what?
[22:14] <BluesKaj> Guest44563, alt f2
[22:14] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: paste
[22:15] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ctrl+A -> ctrl+C then go to the website that ubottu mentioned and ctrl+V in the space provided click submit and give us the URL that comes back
[22:17] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  what am i pasting theres no output
[22:17] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: There is nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:18] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  here is what i said bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[22:18] <stdin> you probably missed out "kate"
[22:18] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: did you do kdesudo kate ?
[22:18] <DaSkreech> so the full command is kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:18] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  what is kate
[22:19] <DaSkreech> An editor
[22:19] <DaSkreech> !info kate
[22:20] <stdin> if you don't have kate, try kwrite
[22:20] <evox> any eta for 4.2 in ppa?
[22:20] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no protocal specified cannot conect to x server
[22:21] <SteBoo> evox: I'm just downloading it.
[22:21] <stdin> evox: soon
[22:21] <stdin> there's just a couple things to iron out
[22:21] <stdin> download at your own rusk
[22:21] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: oh wait are you in KDE ?
[22:21] <stdin> s/rusk/risk/
[22:21] <evox> ;)
[22:21] <DaSkreech> ksirk
[22:21] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  yes this is kubuntu chat right?
[22:22] <DaSkreech> Yes But you could be on the virtual terminal
[22:22] <stdin> or a root shell
[22:22] <evox> are ppa's semi official repositories?
[22:22] <Snork> anyone knows if there's a low-disk-space warning in kde 4?
[22:22] <Guest44563> DaSkreech:  sry dont mean to be smart just this is so agrvating
[22:23] <stdin> evox: PPA are just apt repositories, the kubuntu-members-kde4 and kubuntu-experimental ones are run by the Kubuntu Developers, so count those as pretty much official
[22:23] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: I see how about alt+F2 -> kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:23] <sinus> hey guys, i killed the "tableau de bord", is there anyone who knows how can i get it back ?srry first time i play with KDE
[22:23] <stdin> evox: PPA's are just quicker than getting it into intrepid-backports (which would take a day or two)
[22:25] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: nothing
[22:25] <evox> I see.  is kubuntu-experimental typically pretty stable?
[22:25] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Does something open ?
[22:25] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no
[22:26] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: try kdesudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:26] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: command not found
[22:27] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Did you have Gnome installed ?
[22:27] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no fresh install
[22:28] <Lynx_> Hey! How do I change my audio settings so I can use skype with my mike, but not hear myself? Also, the person I'm calling hears all sounds from my box, like mplayer and so on.
[22:28] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: and no kate ?
[22:28] <DaSkreech> What happens if you just type kate ?
[22:28] <stdin> evox: well, it's a bit "experimental" :) but it won't break anything major
[22:28] <Freddy2> hi
[22:28] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: yeah its weird
[22:28] <DaSkreech> evox: plus having 4 arms is a boon
[22:29] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Ok then ctrl+O and type in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:29] <mefisto_> sinus: where is "tableau de bord" in kde?
[22:30] <sinus> mefisto: its like the toolbar on the desktop
[22:30] <mefisto_> sinus: the one at the bottom of the screen?
[22:31] <Freddy2> is only me or kde 4.2 crashes every.. 10 minutes on average? i've tried an opensuse-based live-cd, and..
 yes thtas it
[22:31] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: what is cntrl+0 supposed to do
[22:31] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+O
[22:31] <DaSkreech> letter
[22:31] <DaSkreech> It opens a new file
[22:31] <DaSkreech> Or an existing file to be more accurate
[22:31] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: is that a zero or an uppercase O
[22:31] <DaSkreech> not the number 0
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Uppercase O
[22:32] <evox> it seemed so much simpler with debian, unstable,testing,stable repositories :)
i am still aaable to launch a command
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Lowercase workks as well
[22:32] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: K THAT BRINGS UP LOGFILE
[22:32] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Logfile? You mean the apt lists ?
[22:33] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Oh hmm lowercase o
[22:34] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: NO CNTRL+O
[22:34] <DaSkreech> File -> open
[22:35] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: cntrl+o does nothing
[22:35] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Fine From the menu at top file -> open
[22:35] <mefisto_> sinus: I think the command is "plasma"
[22:35] <evox> msg DaSkreech omg!
[22:36] <evox> oops :)
[22:36] <mefisto_> sinus: but I'm not sure. I don't use kde 4 yet
[22:36] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: from what menu?
[22:36] <sinus> mefisto: thank you very much, ill try it
[22:36] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: From kate
[22:37] <DaSkreech> stdin: Go go go go :)
[22:37] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: weres kate
[22:37] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: You said kate opened
[22:38] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: dont even know were kate is y would i say it opened
[22:38] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: press alt+F2 and type kate
[22:38] <stdin> DaSkreech: let me just try a test install to predict any problems
[22:38] <DaSkreech> tell me if anything opens
[22:38] <ciaba83> ciao
[22:39] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: run it or the other option
[22:39] <DaSkreech> Run it
[22:39] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: kk its open
[22:40] <stdin> hmm, not looking like a smooth upgrade :|
[22:40] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Ok now press ctrl+o and type in /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:40] <DaSkreech> stdin: already ?
[22:40] <stdin> some overwrite errors
[22:40] <mefisto_> sinus: did it work?
[22:41] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok it came up with list
[22:42] <nferenc> on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 "...you will have KDE 4.2 Release Candidate 1..." RC??? please fix it
[22:42] <DaSkreech> !paste | Guest44563
[22:42] <jimmy51_home> hello, i'm a big fan of kubuntu and the apps it comes with.  i'm installing on an older laptop (celeron 1.33ghz 256MB ram) and the default KDE4 runs like a dog.  i'm installing xubuntu-desktop to switch to xfce.  is that a good idea, or is there something else i could have done to make kubuntu happy on old hardware?
 i am having troubles, i am still loooking around... i hate to be a novice
[22:43] <Evers> jimmy51 that's an old laptop for kde 4, better use 3.5 or, like you said, xfce
[22:43] <jpedroza> jimmy51_home: I have kubuntu-8.10 on an old P4 system, seems to run fine with 1GB ram. I know with KDE4 I have needed decent video cards more than CPU
[22:44] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: xfce is fine
 so it does not work, but i ahve troubles to issue commands
[22:44] <mefisto_> sinus: if you prefer to ask in french you can try the french channel
[22:44] <mefisto_> !fr | sinus
[22:44] <jimmy51_home> i figure i'll just use the same KDE apps, but with xfce as the shell.  will that be problematic with updates?
[22:44] <DaSkreech> jimmy51_home: KDE is stll in the rebuilding phase so not a lot of time has gone into optimization
[22:44] <DaSkreech> No
[22:45] <sinus> mefisto> thank you for all
[22:45] <jimmy51_home> ok, i'll stick with it for a few weeks and see how it goes.  KDE4 rocks on my desktop these days.  i'll have to get a newer laptop sometime, i suppose.
[22:45] <jimmy51_home> thanks
[22:45] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok its pasted but im not sure how to finish sending it
[22:46] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: you clicked the button and it reloaded? then copy the URL from the Web browser and paste it here
[22:46] <DaSkreech> Whoot
[22:47] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: no i copyed the text to pastebin and not sure what to do now
[22:47] <Evers> COOL! at last we have it ;-)
[22:48] <KDesk> So, is it now save to upgrade from the -experimental repo?
[22:48] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Did you click paste?
[22:49] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: i copied the text from kate then pasted it to pastebin
[22:49] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: Which pastebin ?
[22:50] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: pastebin.com
[22:50] <jpedroza> Riddell: So how do we update to the final 4.2 if we are running Jaunty Developer?
[22:51] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: and you pressed Send ?
[22:51] <BluesKaj> stdin, I guess i ahve the "Official Release" installed, konq help/about kde : Version 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0) , no more RC .. well lets hope it all hangs together :)
[22:51] <DaSkreech> jpedroza: normal update
[22:51] <jpedroza> DaSkreech: apt-get update apt-get upgrade?
[22:51] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:51] <jpedroza> DaSkreech: Thanks...
[22:52] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.com/md460617
[22:52] <stdin> BluesKaj: RC 2 -> release should be smooth, it's just 4.1.x -> 4.2.0 that may be rough
[22:52] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: ok you are going to have to remove the last line in the file
[22:53] <BluesKaj> stdin , gonna reboot ..we'll see what happens
[22:53] <Frederick> in linux how do I check if a work is actually going to be printed?
[22:53] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: on kate?
[22:53] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: I guess but you need to get it to run as root or save it in your ~ and then move it over
[22:54] <khear> why does the upgrade to 4.2 (on intrepid) bring mysql-server with it?
[22:54] <mitchell> please, about kde 4.2 is i upgrade to it in intrepid, are the translations for all the applications?
[22:54] <Freddy2> khear: maybe amarok2?
[22:54] <Evers> khear, maybe amarok is installing?
[22:55] <mitchell> are the translations available for all the applications?
[22:55] <khear> ut reqyures the whole mysql-server?
[22:55] <arezey> when will kde4.2 be included in the ubuntu repositories?
[22:55] <khear> it requires*
[22:55] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: lets do this the easy way. Remove the last line and save as ~/sources.list
[22:55] <arezey> approximately?
[22:55] <DaSkreech> arezey: Topic
[22:56] <arezey> oh, already packaged.
[22:56] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:56] <arezey> gee, thanks.
[22:56] <Freddy2> khear: you may use it or not, but it depends on it
[22:57] <khear> Freddy2: will it make the server run always in the background, even if amarok is not running?
[22:59] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok did that now what
[22:59] <Freddy2> probably.. maybe you should switch to another dataserver once you can run amarok2
[23:00] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: press the terminal button at the bottom of Kate
[23:00] <Freddy2> also don't forget to check /etc/init.d/rcX.d to see if it launches automatically
[23:00] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: ok
[23:00] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: and then type sudo mv sources.list /etc/apt
[23:00] <aapzak> There is a typo on the 4.2 page ...
[23:01] <aapzak> point 4 is refering to RC1 while it shouldn't
[23:01] <mitchell> please does anybody knows is the translations packages in 4.2 have also been upgraded?
[23:01] <KDesk> maybe Ctrl+F5
[23:01] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: allright now what?
[23:02] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: sudo apt-get update
[23:02] <DaSkreech> Then you can try adept again
[23:02] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: done
[23:03] <ytoox> I got an atheros 9k card and it looses connectivity pretty fast. Can you help me?
[23:03] <mitchell> it happens to me with ath5k
[23:03] <Guest44563> DaSkreech: you are the shizznit thank you so much!
[23:04] <ytoox> mitchell: have you discovered why yet?
[23:04] <mitchell> and also happens with madwifi
[23:04] <mitchell> not really!
[23:04] <mefisto_> well done DaSkreech!
[23:04] <ytoox> mmm, I hate it. Plus the icon always shows mistaken %
[23:04] <mitchell> i've tried using both madwifi and ath5k
[23:04] <ytoox> aha
[23:05] <DaSkreech> Guest44563: There you go :)
[23:05] <ytoox> how do you get madwifi?
[23:05] <euphrate> !tr
[23:05] <mitchell> first of all you need to know is your card is supported
[23:05] <arezey> am here again... i added the PPA repository to my sources list but it seems i'm missing the GPG key? where can it be got from?
[23:05] <mitchell> for example, mine is not supported by the latest stable release
[23:06] <mefisto_> arezey: I don't think there are any for ppa
[23:06] <arezey> well: "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>3B3065"
[23:06] <ytoox> mitchel: I think it is supported because there was a driver from atheros that included native drivers for linux
[23:07] <mitchell> visit www.madwifi-project.org
[23:07] <mefisto_> arezey: but it still works doesn't it?
[23:08] <ytoox> ok
[23:08] <arezey> hmm?
[23:08] <aapzak> mefisto_: I believe this error is new :)
[23:08] <aapzak> and yes, it still seems to be working
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Ok I'm gone!
[23:08] <DaSkreech> Bye
[23:08] <arezey> oh, it indeed does
[23:08] <arezey> thanks
[23:09] <sebr> hey folks, i presume this is common knowledge by now
[23:09] <sebr> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>3B3065
[23:10] <aapzak> sebr: We all seem to have it
[23:10] <aapzak> repo still works though
[23:10] <sebr> okay, i'll hang tight
[23:11] <aapzak> or are we being infected with unsigned packages now :)
[23:12] <aapzak> stupid how we all ignore these warnings
[23:12] <aapzak> but hey, very happy with 4.2!
[23:13] <stdin> gpg --recv-key 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:14] <aapzak> stdin: that is not working for me
[23:15] <stdin> aapzak: error message?
[23:15] <aapzak> 4 of 'm
[23:15] <aapzak> maybe cut/paste error, brb
[23:15] <aapzak> nope
[23:16] <stdin> oh, I missed an 's' ;)
[23:16] <stdin> gpg --recv-key 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:16] <BluesKaj> stdin , now that kde 2.4 is officially released and working ok , should we delete the "experimental" PPAs in the sources.list ?
[23:16] <stdin> then "sudo apt-get update"
[23:17] <earle> harr, updates a-plenty!
[23:17] <earle> let's see if this fixes my knackered login
[23:18] <aapzak> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110506/
[23:18] <earle> coming in at 1200 kb/s. TASTY
[23:18] <earle> I love computers sometimes
[23:19] <Dezine> I'm trying to upgrade from 8.04 but it won't let me. Checking the sources list it's all set to intrepid but checking the version with cat /etc/issue says 8.04? Dist-upgrade does not work.
[23:20] <stdin> aapzak: gpg --recv-keys 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:20] <BluesKaj> Dezine , did you sudo apt-get update after making the changes
[23:20] <Dezine> yes I did
[23:21] <BluesKaj> Dezine , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   ?
[23:21] <Dezine> Says there's nothing
[23:22] <aapzak> stdin: I'm pretty sure colloquy is messing the line up :)
[23:22] <Dezine> doesn't make any sense, it says it's 8.04 but that there aren't any uptates
[23:22] <gizmobay> Dezine, I did kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[23:22] <BluesKaj> Dezine , pastebin your sources.list pls
[23:23] <stdin> aapzak: try just "gpg --recv-keys 493B3065 --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com" then "gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -"
[23:23] <stdin> no, wiat...
[23:23] <psyco> hey guys, how do i configure my multimedia keys, right now play restarts the track...
[23:24] <stdin> aapzak: stupid gpg: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065
[23:24] <earle> Pooh, the 4.2 update doesn't seem to have fixed my login issue :/
[23:24] <gizmobay> Check that, I did kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade"
[23:25] <aapzak_> yes stdin , I figured that out, weird that it doesn't wotk the other way around
[23:25] <stdin> aapzak_: probably because it dumb and counts everything after --recv-keys as a key id
[23:26] <aapzak_> I guess so :)
[23:26] <Dezine> oops my bad, misread the sources.list file.. only the first line says intrepid and is commented out
[23:26] <aapzak_> yeay, it worked!
[23:26] <Dezine> thanks :)
[23:27] <aapzak> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065 && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[23:27] <aapzak> thatone is working
[23:27] <piquadrat> Strange, apt-get only picks up a couple of packages here from the PPA (eg.g system-config-printer-kde 4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2), but everything else stays at 4.1.3
[23:28] <earle> So... anyone have an idea how I should approach this problem? The symptom is nothing happens after submitting the login dialog.
[23:28] <tbr281> so do i go about upgrading to 4.2?
[23:29] <tbr281> how*
[23:29] <stdin> tbr281: read the topic for a start
[23:29] <earle> ooh snap.
[23:29] <tbr281> :P
[23:29]  * earle wonders if #kubuntu-devel might know
[23:29] <earle> wouldn't want to bother anyone though
[23:30] <BluesKaj> earle , do you have a menu at the login page ?
[23:30] <earle> yep - I'm talking to you via the magic of console login
[23:30] <earle> I'll try failsafe, see if that does anything
[23:31] <hfiasuhfawhgr> cant remember i installed mysql but when i upgraded to 4.2 it asked me to enter a new password for root... where comes that from ?
[23:31] <mefisto_> earle: does it just stay at the login page?
[23:31] <psyco> How do I edit the icons that showup in the "mini taksbar thing" I forget the name, it has like amarok, wallet, klipper, kopete
[23:32] <earle> mefisto_: the login dialog goes away and I'm left with the cursor and background.
[23:32] <psyco> *system tray
[23:32] <earle> So it seems like kdm is starting up fine, but something's going doolally at login time.
[23:32] <earle> (Hmm. Failsafe did nothing but flash the screen a couple of times and take me back to login.)
[23:32] <stdin> hfiasuhfawhgr: akonadi-server depends on akonadi-server, you probably only had the client installed
[23:33]  * earle makes some Strong Coffee
[23:35] <hfiasuhfawhgr> stdin: cant remember installing that one either, but thanx anyway ;-)
[23:36] <stdin> hfiasuhfawhgr: akonadi-server is needed by akonadi-kde which is needed by kmail (which comes with Kubuntu)
[23:36] <stdin> aren't dependencies fun :)
[23:36]  * earle kicks his laptop (figuratively)
[23:37] <EversW> hi again ;-) do you know if in ppa -experimental is there support for google gadgets for plasma? i can't find it on the add widgets dialog, and no packages on adept/synaptic
[23:37] <hfiasuhfawhgr> stdin: oh, thanx again, got it !
[23:37] <Macer> hi. does anybody here use a macbook with kubuntu? I am having a hell of a time getting an adhoc network to work with network manager
[23:37] <stdin> EversW: plasma supports it, but you have to download them manually
[23:38] <Macer> i am trying to wifi tether my g1. works fine with my n800 to G1 so the problem is getting the kubuntu macbook to use the adhoc network. when i try to do it manually with iwconfig/ifconfig/dhclient it doesn't seem to work at all
[23:38] <EversW> no menu like in project-neon repository then?
[23:39] <stdin> EversW: you download them then choose Install New Widgets -> Install Widget From Local File
[23:39] <aapzak> goodbye guys, tomorrow (at work) I'll testdrive 4.2 seriously. Thanks!
[23:40] <stdin> kde-look.org doesn't host any google/mac widgets
[23:40] <EversW> stdin: yeah, i was asking because i tried the project neon kde-nightly packages, and there were a plasma google gadget package and add a nice menu on the new widgets to easily and beautifuly add google gadgets widgets
[23:41] <stdin> EversW: it's probably a feature not stable/complete enough for 4.2.0
[23:41] <stdin> neon uses trunk, which has all sorts of things
[23:41] <mefisto__> earle: have you tried creating a new user?
[23:42] <ofv> just finished the upgrade to 4.2 from 4.1.3 and when i log out the screen turns black and nothing happens until i click, then the desktop appears again as it previously was (all apps still runnig, etc)
[23:42] <psyco> Hey, im working on getting KDE 4.2, Step4: # Old Plasma packages are not compatible with KDE 4.2, you should uninstall any plasmoids.
[23:42] <psyco> how would I go about doing that
[23:42] <EversW> stdin: i see, and when you select add widget, no google gadget option there also, just web component, mac os one, superkaramba and plasmoids
[23:42] <stdin> psyco: it only refers to ones you installed manually
[23:42] <EversW> stdin: just trying plain web component?
[23:43] <psyco> oh ok
[23:43] <psyco> so if I didn't i can go ahead and upgrade?
[23:43] <stdin> it's probably the Web Widget, but I haven't tried it
[23:43] <stdin> psyco: sure
[23:43] <psyco> alright
[23:43] <psyco> here it goes.
[23:43] <stdin> ofv: you may have to just ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X, then log back in
[23:43] <earle> mefisto__: Yeah. Trying to log in with that got the same thing, except the background image vanished, leaving a black screen and the cursor.
[23:44] <ofv> stdin: okay, i'll try.
[23:44] <EversW> stdin: thanks, i'll try it ;-)
[23:45] <bopferman> Hello, I just upgraded to kde 4.2 and im having plasmoid problems.  When trying to add any plasmoid I get an error saying This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: weatherstation.  I did some quick googling but could not find any solutions.
[23:45] <bopferman> Correction: only weather widget and lancelot_launcher
[23:46] <stdin> bopferman: yes, we're working on that
[23:46] <stdin> it's just that the plasmoids need to be rebuilt against the new plasma
[23:46] <sonic23> bopferman: in the release announcement it mentions that old plasmoids will not work.
[23:47] <earle> Hrm! Maybe it's kwin that's having problems.
[23:47] <bopferman> the weather plasmoid is new though.
[23:47] <earle> "kwin is already the newest version." Damn.
[23:47] <sonic23> i havent tried it, but you could try and remove them and re-add them. possibly that might resolve you issue
[23:48] <sonic23> bopferman: have you restarted kde using the alt-e at the login
[23:49] <bopferman> I have not
[23:49] <stdin> the plasmoids not working is a known problem
[23:50] <sonic23> try that. it might not be the fix, but it always good to start off an update with a clean kde load
[23:50] <bopferman> alright.
[23:50] <earle> Maybe I should just reinstall KDE completely.
[23:50] <sonic23> yes id does mention that in the release qannouncement. is that just a kubuntu issue atm?
[23:50] <bopferman> I also noticed when i try to install plasmoid-weather, i get an error about a dependency on libplasma2.  Im not sure if this helps.
[23:51] <stdin> sonic23: the release announcement only means custom installed plasmoids
[23:51] <stdin> just leave it with us
[23:52] <earle> Hurgh! As an experiment I moved my ~/.kde aside. Now I get returned to the login screen. Not sure that's an improvement.
[23:53] <ofv> thought that 4.2 supported moving elements on the taskbar. is there a place that explains how this is suppossed to work?
[23:54] <mefisto__> earle: what about installing gdm and try to log in with that? will gdm work with kde4?
[23:54] <earle> mefisto__: not a clue, but I can try...
[23:55] <stdin> ofv: it only works for widgets that support being on the taskbar
[23:55] <stdin> ofv: try with the calendar widget
[23:57] <ofv> it doesn't work either, but anyways the feature is mostly useless for me if it doesn't support the elements that represent regular applications.
[23:57] <DerStillePete> wow 4.2 rokks...
[23:57] <kelvie> anyone having problems on an intel card changing the resolution with KWin on?
[23:58] <kelvie> it crashes X every time for me
[23:58] <earle> mefisto__: heh... thanks for the idea :) it just drops me into a failsafe xterm :(
[23:58] <ofv> hey! it works for all applications: task manager settings -> sorting -> manually
[23:59] <DerStillePete> but firefox in this beautiful context of 4.2 is ugly as hell....
[23:59] <earle> DerStillePete: have you installed the kde 4 theme for firefox?


[03:23] <brachamh> hey all, i have ubuntu server running on what is essentially an old desktop system. i have emby set up in a docker container. it had been streaming smoothly to even a couple devices at a time in the house. but lately devices have been buffering occasionally. the buffering devices are all wireless, three roku units and a laptop. the server is connected to a switch along with two other computers, which is then connected to the network extender
[03:23] <brachamh> unit, connected to the main modem at the other end of the house.
[03:24] <brachamh> is there a way to see if something in my network is causing the buffering, such as the switch, or a wireless router?
[13:25] <smoser> rharper: when you get in. growpart .. your fix for bug 1834875
[13:25] <smoser> i dont think that unlock_disk_and_settle ever gets called.
[13:26] <smoser> because $resizer (resize_sfdisk_gpt, resize_sfdisk_dos, resize_sgdisk_gpt) does not return.
[13:53] <icey> hey jamespage - could you do a follow up review on https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/ubuntu/+source/python-sqlalchemy-utils/+git/python-sqlalchemy-utils/+merge/386651 again? I'd like to get +1 from you and coreycb
[14:18] <Aison0> anybody experienced with zfs zvol? I created a virtual machine using a zvol as storage. The virtual machines is using ext4 as Filesystem. Do I have to take care of the block size? volblocksize (zfs) is 8K, ext4 block size is 4K. Is that a problem?
[14:20] <mason> Aison0: I use zvols as backing store for VMs almost exclusively. I've not had issues where I felt pressed to muck with block sizes thus far.
[14:21] <Aison0> mason, ok
[14:22] <Aison0> mason, one strange thing: I allocated a zvol with a size of 25G. The guest vm can use this 25G. Why does the zvol use over 50G?
[14:22] <jamespage> icey: looking now
[14:22] <mason> Aison0: It might make more of a difference if your back end is flash.
[14:22] <Aison0> logicalused 25.1G, logicalreferenced 25.1G
[14:22] <mason> Aison0: Snapshots maybe?
[14:22] <mason> Aison0: ZFS space usage is kind of a black art.
[14:23] <Aison0> used 54.1G, referenced 53.5G
[14:23] <icey> thanks jamespage
[14:23] <Aison0> there are no snapshots
[14:23] <mason> Aison0: #zfsonlinux has folks way more expert than I that can probably give deeper, better answers.
[14:23] <Aison0> mason, :-) thx for that hint
[14:24] <mason> Aison0: From what I see, my backing zvols tend to be right around the size I allocated, with refer slowly growing as the virtual disks fill.
[15:11] <smoser> paride: i guess cloud-utils got moved to github ?
[15:12] <paride> smoser, yes
[15:12] <smoser> i think probalby you should just remove the launchpad git repo
[15:12] <smoser> unless you have some reason for it
[15:20] <icey> jamespage: I've updated with your suggestion too now :)
[15:21] <paride> smoser, we discussed the thing a bit. We'll keep using the LP bug tracker as it has per-series bugs and allows closing bug from d/changelog
[15:21] <paride> we could do this without the repo, but the repo allows to have daily builds in PPAs
[15:22] <paride> and LP is setup to automatically mirror GitHub
[15:23] <paride> so I think we're keeping it as it comes almost for free and allows recipies
[15:23] <paride> *recipes
[15:24] <paride> smoser, I'd like to disable MPs to the repo on LP, but I don't think that's possible
[16:40] <TJ-> Is there any way to prevent the 20.04 -server installer, when creating a LVM VG, from zeroing it?
[16:44] <tomreyn> is't this like a tickbox option when you configure it?
[16:45] <tomreyn> i guess the fact that you'Re asking this contains the answer to my question. ;-)
[17:22] <TJ-> indeed; I had already created an underlying MD RAID1 from shell using mdadm ... --assume-clean ... to avoid a long sync and had manually created a VG on it. The installer could not refresh the current view to pick up the VG and on rebooting the installer it wouldn't offer the existing VG as an installation target, so had to use the option to create a VG which does the zeroing
[17:27] <tomreyn> right, i don't think it's particularly good at handling existing structres.


[06:48] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:00] <tjaalton> ditto
[07:22]  * mlankhorst pokes RAOF with the x-1.13 stack
[07:22] <mlankhorst> oh right, need to wait until xorg-server finishes first
[07:23] <mlankhorst> but you forgot to push the changes to git :)
[08:02] <mlankhorst> can someone push libxrandr 1.4.0 to debian?
[08:14] <jcristau> maybe in a couple hours
[08:16] <mlankhorst> thanks
[08:16] <mlankhorst> I seem to have the power to do upstream releases now for most of xorg
[08:19] <mlankhorst> or at least for drivers nobody cares about, they might get upset if I do it for anything important :)
[22:10] <Sarvatt> whatever you do, dont look at #xorg-devel scrollback unless you never nightmare flashbacks about synaptics bugs in ubuntu :)
[22:10] <Sarvatt> err unless you want nightmare flashbacks
[22:14] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: they still exist..
[22:14] <mlankhorst> someone came in here complaining about it today
[22:14] <Sarvatt> thats a real bug though
[22:14] <mlankhorst> indeed
[22:14] <Sarvatt> majority of the bugs on launchpad for it are, please change the default settings :)
[22:21] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey :)
[22:22] <Sarvatt> ricotz: heyo man, whats up?
[22:23] <ricotz> Sarvatt, do you like to fire up a all-video/input build in edgers?
[22:24] <Sarvatt> ricotz: i can do that, didnt have time to get to the server today first but driver rebuilds are trivial
[22:24] <mlankhorst> ricotz: we need one in main, actually
[22:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i can copy 1.13rc3 to edgers quantal
[22:24] <mlankhorst> oh it's rc3 now? sigh
[22:25] <Sarvatt> ricotz: ok i'll get the driver builds ready now
[22:25] <ricotz> ok, i will copy it
[22:25] <Sarvatt> ricotz: just quantal or precise too?
[22:25] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: actually can you try the ubuntu one directly in quantal?
[22:25] <Sarvatt> i'm going to upload both regardless
[22:26] <mlankhorst> it's on rc2 atm
[22:26] <Sarvatt> oh good point its already in quantal
[22:26] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i guess 1.13 only for quantal now, but rebuilding both?
[22:26] <Sarvatt> i could have done the drivers.. grargh
[22:26] <Sarvatt> i'll just do the drivers now, doesnt matter that server isnt built
[22:26] <Sarvatt> yeah rebuilding both is easier, i'll rebuild both again when we do 1.13 in precise
[22:27] <mlankhorst> we dropped the rethrow signal patch in favor of adding -core :)
[22:28] <mlankhorst> and personally I'm on he next iteration of dma-fence again.. deadlocks are fun
[22:28] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i will just copy mtrack, multitouch, tslib and wacom too
[22:28] <Sarvatt> rebuildings uploading, openchrome, geode, evdev will be busted after
[22:29] <Sarvatt> qxl
[22:29] <ricotz> mlankhorst, x11proto-randr isnt there yet?
[22:29] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: geode's not that busted, and all the other drivers are updated in debian git
[22:29] <mlankhorst> ricotz: pretty sure it's uploaded for quantal at least
[22:30] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: had to move openchrome from git-svn to real git :)
[22:31] <Sarvatt> suppose i should check before i let this run more... xserver 1.13-rc2 actually got published to quantal and the archive is broken right?
[22:31] <Sarvatt> not -proposed?
[22:32] <Sarvatt> phew glad i checked, its proposed
[22:32] <mlankhorst> ;)
[22:32] <ricotz> mlankhorst, 1.4.0 isnt there yet
[22:32] <ricotz> Sarvatt, the 1.13 isnt published yet in edgers though
[22:32] <mlankhorst> ricotz: not in proposed either ? sigh
[22:33] <Sarvatt> ricotz: yeah i thought it was uploaded directly to quantal, just have to reupload mga and vmware
[22:33] <ricotz> Sarvatt, you are to fast
[22:33] <ricotz> ;)
[22:33] <ricotz> the ppa is building without proposed
[22:33] <Sarvatt> argh intel too, this script is too fast
[22:33]  * mlankhorst replaces Sarvatt with a script
[22:34] <Sarvatt> worst case i'll just set my clock ahead a day and redo it all
[22:34] <Sarvatt> :P
[22:34] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i enabled the proposed pocket so it picks it up
[22:34] <ricotz> the quantal version so the dependency should work
[22:35] <ricotz> so only mga will be broken
[22:35] <Sarvatt> unless it started building, i uploaded 4 packages to both quantal and precise in that minute before checking
[22:36] <ricotz> i guess all should be fine besides mga
[22:36] <Sarvatt> really i'll set my clock ahead a few hours and reupload just in case, we'll just miss 50 intel sna commits tomorrow doing that
[22:36] <mlankhorst> RAOF: is the rest of the stack coming btw?
[22:37] <Sarvatt> ricotz: do you do anything special with nvidia-settings to update it btw?
[22:37] <ricotz> Sarvatt, using origin/debian-experimental would be the correct one
[22:37] <ricotz> ?
[22:38] <ricotz> Sarvatt, no, just a plain uupdate
[22:38] <Sarvatt> downloading tar.bz2, extracting, copying old debian/, bumping version, rebuilding doesnt work
[22:38] <ricotz> so you can just copy/rebuild you packages over
[22:38] <Sarvatt> (rebuilding new orig.tar.gz in between there too)
[22:38] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: ugh for all xserver-xorg-video-* there are fairly recent versions in git
[22:38] <ricotz> Sarvatt, yeah since it is debsrc 1.0
[22:40] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1122381/ hit that earlier and didnt look into it more
[22:40] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i can upload nvidia-settings
[22:40] <ricotz> it is small enough ;)
[22:40] <Sarvatt> cool beans, appreciate it
[22:40] <ricotz> Sarvatt, you can copy the blob
[22:40] <Sarvatt> i'll copy nvidia-graphics-drivers over from the other ppa
[22:43] <mlankhorst> how are all the ppa drivers generated?
[22:43] <mlankhorst> do they follow debian git or..
[22:44] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: which ppa?
[22:45] <Sarvatt> xorg-edgers, i run sarvatt-update-ppa.sh, and maintain the hooks which alter the packaging in hooks/
[22:45] <mlankhorst> edgers
[22:45] <mlankhorst> ah
[22:45] <Sarvatt> everythings on debian-unstable branches besides a few drivers using ubuntu branches at the moment
[22:45] <mlankhorst> yeah I just update all debian packaging directly
[22:45] <ricotz> Sarvatt, debian-experimental?
[22:45] <Sarvatt> yeah cant do that for things like mesa which need insane amounts of changes
[22:46] <mlankhorst> in this case, debian-experimental has all the more recent versions right now
[22:46] <Sarvatt> ricotz: artifical xorg-server version bumps to use experimental ones, would need hooks for every driver to lower the build deps
[22:46] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: right now all video drivers have been updated in d-e
[22:46] <mlankhorst> unless I missed a couple
[22:46] <Sarvatt> yeah but we dont have xserver 1.13 in precise and i update 2 releases at once
[22:47] <mlankhorst> ah
[22:47] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ah ok
[22:47] <Sarvatt> need to build dep on xserver 1.13-rcwhatever to have it pulled it during the build in experimental or it builds against unstables i thought
[22:48] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: what about other protos, any more needed for precise that are no longer needed in quantal?
[22:48] <Sarvatt> just the 3 i copied, the ones ya updated
[22:49] <mlankhorst> ah perfect, need to sru those then :)
[22:49] <Sarvatt> oh no
[22:49] <Sarvatt> they arent needed in the distro
[22:49] <Sarvatt> just in edgers where 1.13 will be shoved in eventually :)
[22:49] <Sarvatt> i think mesa requires some of them now anyway
[22:49] <mlankhorst> if they're needed for building they should be sru'd to precise eventually
[22:50] <Sarvatt> hey thats a good point
[22:50] <Sarvatt> not going to be renamed?
[22:51] <Sarvatt> this is going to be such a mess come ubuntu-s :)p
[22:51] <mlankhorst> nah I plan on just renaming xorg, xorg-server and the drivers
[22:51] <mlankhorst> renaming core packages is infinitely more complex
[22:51] <Sarvatt> never know what kind of crazy things are going to happen, xserver 1.7 was the most insane one i went through
[22:52] <mlankhorst> oh with the dri2 crap?
[22:52] <Sarvatt> crazy header changes in it, moving from protos to libfoo-dev packages
[22:52] <mlankhorst> look if that happens in the future we can revisit how we deal with it
[22:53] <mlankhorst> but it looks like it doesn't happen for quantal so I rather keep the changes simple and isolated
[22:53] <Sarvatt> totally :) its been sane for a few years after that
[22:54] <Sarvatt> this would have worked fine for lucid->precise
[22:54] <mlankhorst> besides, if i had a crystal ball to predict the future I would use it to make a killing in the stock markets
[22:54] <mlankhorst> :p
[23:01] <Sarvatt> Wed Aug  1 00:00:57 EDT 2012
[23:01] <Sarvatt> driver update script rerunning :)
[23:15] <Sarvatt> argh ubuntu branches got updated to debian-experimental, fixing it up for the few drivers using those :)
[23:17]  * mlankhorst whistles innocently, blames chanserv
[23:42] <Sarvatt> note to self: adjust time zones not the actual times so you don't screw up make next time
[23:43] <mlankhorst> I was actually waiting for that to happen
[23:44] <Sarvatt> i usually moved to australia for a few minutes when i do that, oh well :)


[01:25] <lfaraone> marcoceppi: not sure.
[13:28] <ChinnoDog> I bet DC looks empty today.
[14:20] <marcoceppi> adom: email their support
[14:20] <marcoceppi> adom: https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/
[15:10] <adom> i already created a bug report, might contact as well later


[00:01] <Unit193> Use in the documentation however... :D
[00:02] <bluesabre> Definitely
[01:20] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: That's incredibly interesting. Might be a neat trick for some Ubuntu Studio stuff.
[01:20] <bluesabre> :)
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> Specifically...
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[01:24] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: Nice, never knew you guys had something like that
[01:24] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: We've had it, just reimplemented it this cycle and stuck it in our backports ppa.
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> What's funny is, if they want to use it on Xubuntu, might as well just install Ubuntu Studio.  I'll try to not be overbearing ;)
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> Hehe, well.. there's about 3 of us active.
[01:27] <Eickmeyer> Two regularily in IRC: myself and OvenWerks.
[01:27] <Eickmeyer> Might be gaining Eylul back in June.
[01:28] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps even sakrecoer, but not sure.
[01:29] <bluesabre> :)
[01:29] <bluesabre> Currently I just send everything to Unit193 and he fixes/packages
[01:30] <bluesabre> Or builds bots
[01:34] <Unit193> ...Or is a bot.
[01:35] <bluesabre> :)
[01:35] <bluesabre> Unit193: maybe you're a cyborg ;)
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I knew a long time ago Unit193 at least had borg-like tendencies.
[02:06] <Unit193> (Just the nick is bot-ish to some)
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> RIGHT?!
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> Then there's your alter-ego DalekSec...
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> That just screams robot.
[02:44] <Unit193> Heh, Emery already tested and emailed. \o/
[04:04] <bluesabre> Phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww https://bluesabre.org/2019/04/18/xubuntu-19-04-the-exhaustive-update/
[04:19] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: Looks good!
[04:20]  * Eickmeyer scampers off to bed
[04:34] <bluesabre> Started the release announcement, https://xubuntu.org/?p=4622&preview=true, time for bed!
[04:34] <bluesabre> Night all!
[06:38] <sorinello> guys, there is no 19.04 page on xubuntu website
[06:38] <sorinello> or at least I can't find it
[06:38] <sorinello> latest is 18.10 Released
[06:38] <sorinello> I am looking at the blog section
[06:47] <flocculant> sorinello: that will be because it's not been released yet ...
[07:00] <Unit193> sorinello: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-March/thread.html
[07:31] <Spass> something is not right, this happened two times today on my laptop - https://ibb.co/h7RfV6M
[07:31] <Spass> live session from usb
[07:49] <knome> "this"?
[07:57] <Spass> it booted the live session with Adwaita theme and icons
[11:46] <ondondil> Hello, I've found a regression in Thunar 1.8.4 that is also present in Disco Dingo. I reported it here https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15302
[13:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: platform.disco -> platform.eoan @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=2012e71f598e58e85f28988a56fc2fc46c8f4b2f (by Adam Conrad)
[13:03] <brainwash> ondondil: present since?
[13:05] <Unit193> Woah, a name already?
[13:15] <Spass> brainwash, I have that issue in cosmic, on Thunar 1.8.1
[13:17] <Spass> btw, Ubuntu 19.04 is now available to download from the official website
[13:36] <Spass> bluesabre, knome, since Google+ is dead, I removed Google+ link from the Social Media section - https://xubuntu.org/contact/
[13:37] <Spass> we should also remove it from the footer
[13:39] <ondondil> brainwash, I'm not sure, I haven't been following thunar development very closely and I just noticed it in Dingo
[13:39] <ondondil> I downloaded Cosmic now to test if this works there and it has the same problem (thunar 1.8.1)
[13:39] <ondondil> So I'll mention that in bug report
[13:40] <ondondil> middle click works fine in bionic (thunar 1.6.15)
[13:48] <Spass> knome, ok, I found it in the WP and removed the G+ link from the footer also, but please let me know if I did something wrong or unwanted here
[13:49] <Spass> I'll revert the changes asap if needed
[14:07] <brainwash> ondondil: so, it could be something to do with the gtk2 -> gtk3 rewrite, or some individual change to how the pathbar works
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio stands on the shoulders of the giants in here. Thanks all!
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> https://ubuntustudio.org/2019/04/ubuntu-studio-19-04-released/
[16:53] <pleia2> happy release day :)
[16:54] <pleia2> I see bluesabre has a draft release post for the site
[17:00] <pleia2> updated the Release page to add the torrent link, don't have a docs link yet
[17:05] <pleia2> Spass: social media changes on the site look good!
[17:08] <pleia2> knome: so it looks like we just need /download updated (I don't remember how) and the blog post published
[17:08] <pleia2> oh and docs published
[17:45] <Spass> pleia2, ok thanks :) now I'll try to add the default wallpaper image to the release site, hope I know how
[17:48] <Spass> ok, it worked
[18:08] <Spass> oops, the issue I've reported before with Adwaita theme and icons instead of Greybird and elementary is on the screen in the OMG! Ubuntu article :/
[18:08] <Spass> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/04/ubuntu-19-04-flavours-whats-new
[18:15] <pleia2> doh :)
[18:15] <Spass> I'll try to report that to the author
[18:18] <brainwash> not that rare then
[18:18] <brainwash> I think I've only encountered it once
[18:19] <Spass> I had it three times on disco :(
[18:24] <brainwash> the bug report we had for this was closed due to lack of information or so
[18:25] <brainwash> bug 1798148
[18:38] <Spass> ok cool, they changed the screenshot in the article :) mission was successful
[19:08] <ochosi> Eickmeyer: congrats on your release!
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> ochosi: Thanks!