[03:07] <smartperson> Hi folks, I just upgraded from 18.10 to 19.10 and I feel pretty lost. I can't seem to find a setting anywhere that controls how my desktop's display will actually go to sleep. Like, not just an all-black image, but true display sleep. Can't find any online docs for this either. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> smartperson: Advise the channel what desktop you have.
[03:14] <smartperson> @Bashing-om, I have a self-built PC with X5700XT and RX580. I have displays hooked up to them via DisplayPort and HDMI.
[03:17] <Bashing-om> smartperson: show ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP '. Perhaps there is one looking that has multi-monitor experience.
[03:18] <smartperson> Bashing-om: ubuntu-wayland ubuntu:GNOME
[03:21] <Bashing-om> smartperson: I can not say about Wayland. If you change to the Xorg environmnet does the displays then sleep ?
[03:22] <smartperson> I'll give it a shot.
[03:33] <smartperson> Bashing-om: it was a good try. For just a moment, the screens go into sleep. After that the displays turn back "on" and show an all-black screen. The desktop pointer is still visible on top. Also the entire desktop environment is now running dog slow. Only unusual thing is tracker-miner-fs is showing 100% cpu.
[03:35] <Bashing-om> smartperson: Yukkie - beats me as to where now to look. Await here for one with greater experience to advise.
[03:35] <smartperson> Thanks! I'm going to give the machine a restart because who knows that might at least help with slowness/kill a stuck process.
[03:45] <s\schizoid> Hey all, does this channel cover Ubuntu Studio as well, or is there a dedicated channel for it somewhere?
[03:46] <s\schizoid> Scratch that, /list holds the answers XD
[04:03] <k_sze> I migrated from my main laptop to a temporary laptop by rsync'ing my home directory over. Now I can't use the "Online Accounts" in GNOME settings.
[04:05] <k_sze> All of the accounts I had configured are now disconnected. And if I try to sign into Google again, for instance, it tells me "Sign in with Google temporarily disabled for this app" and "This app has not yet been verified by Google in order to use Google Sign in."
[04:09] <plshelpohgosh> hello! i really need help... i upgrade to 19.10 from disco dingo and now i can't boot into my full LUKS install... i get a kernel panic on boot saying "not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs"
[04:18] <k_sze> weird. It works for one out of my two Google accounts.
[04:27] <coffeecow> hello
[04:29] <coffeecow> after upgrading to 19.10 from disco dingo i can boot into the 5.0.0-32-generic but not 5.3.0-19-generic... i get a kernel panic error if i select the 5.3.x kern on boot about "not syncing: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)"
[04:46] <Regor> which tool i can use to encrypt a application ? i use  tomb .  i want to encrypt weechat /mutt logs file..
[05:12] <arthur98765> Anyone know how I can get Wickr Messenger to work on Ubuntu 18.04? It's not working
[06:10] <tomreyn> Regor: you don't encrypt an application, you use software which supports encrypted storage and / or make software stoe data on an encrypted file system (or an unencrypted file system that is on top of a non-filesystem level storage encryption layer)
[06:11] <Regor> yes..exactly what i meant..
[06:12] <Regor> i want to encrypt logs-text files in mutt/weechat ...
[06:12] <Regor> i love tomb but cant use it on logs.
[06:14] <tomreyn> Regor: I don't recall much about tomb, but i think it was a good option when i last looked at it seom years ago. why can't you use it for logs?
[06:15] <Regor> it makes containers so i can put files....
[06:15] <tomreyn> and log files are files
[06:16] <Regor> but weechat would give errors with file location/path changed
[06:17] <tomreyn> not in case of a symbolic link, i would assume
[06:18] <Regor> yeah..i need to check again. i did it but it messed with logs ..
[06:19] <tomreyn> you could also create a luks encrypted storage yourself and then decrypt it either during boot or later when you need it from e.g. nautilus
[06:19] <Regor> yeah..i get..
[06:20] <tomreyn> there's also ext4 file system encryption. but it is somewhat new so i'm a bit hesitant to recommend it
[06:21] <Regor> ok i see docs.. and would ask in weechat/mutt room too..
[07:30] <Regor> tomreyn: yeah i found weechat has native encryption which is simple with detailed docs .
[07:30] <Regor> 😀
[07:30] <ryuo> Regor: afaik that was mainly for passwords and other sensitive settings.
[07:30] <ryuo> Regor: not sure it applies to things like logs.
[07:31] <Regor> https://weechat.org/blog/post/2013/08/04/Secured-data
[07:32] <ryuo> blanket encryption is usually best done via a system like LUKS.
[07:32] <Regor> yaehh..
[07:32] <ryuo> Regor: yes, that's great for user specific secrets. not really a solution for encrypting logs.
[07:33] <tomreyn> weechat 'secured data' seems to be for configuration data of weechat plugins and for credentials
[07:33] <ryuo> it's more like a solution used for encryption ssh keys
[07:33] <tomreyn> not for logs
[07:33] <ryuo> yes, you may want to employ something like LUKS or a FUSE based encryption scheme.
[07:34] <Regor> ahhh.. now i see..!  /help secure
[07:34] <Regor> i use tomb a lot ..i love it
[07:34] <ryuo> just note that these do mean your logs are readable by anyone with system access and sufficient privileges while weechat is running
[07:34] <ryuo> assuming no security flaws are used
[07:34] <Regor> yeah
[07:35] <ryuo> if you just want to keep other users from reading them
[07:35] <ryuo> just change the permissions.
[07:35] <ryuo> if they're not already set correctly
[07:36] <Regor> ok
[08:15] <ibr2> guys i have an issue with the GPG signatures
[08:24] <mithodin> Hi. I'm running a virtual server on Ubuntu 18.04.3 and I'm having problems with processes not being able to spawn new threads (e.g. Apache can't create worker threads, the mail server cannot accept new logins, etc.)
[08:25] <mithodin> The hoster claims they see nothing wrong with the hardware. ulimits look reasonable and resources are nowhere near the limits as far as I can tell.
[08:27] <mithodin> any ideas what might be causing trouble here?
[08:27] <ryuo> mithodin: it points to an inability to fork().
[08:28] <ryuo> mithodin: usually this is because resource limits have been hit (process limit)
[08:28] <mithodin> yes, but ulimit -u is 62987
[08:28] <mithodin> which is nowhere close to the number of threads currently running
[08:28] <ryuo> that doesn't mean the services are running with the same limits.
[08:29] <ryuo> each user or context can have different limiters.
[08:29] <mithodin> how do I check that?
[08:29] <ryuo> not really sure, but it might be revealed if you poke around in /proc
[08:29] <ryuo> a
[08:29] <ryuo> cah
[08:29] <ryuo> ah
[08:29] <ryuo> /proc/?/limits
[08:30] <ryuo> just find the main processes' PID and explore
[08:30] <mithodin> so ? is the pid?
[08:30] <ryuo> no
[08:30] <ryuo> i can't know your PID.
[08:30] <ryuo> check the systemd service.
[08:31] <mithodin> I mean I put the PID where the ? is, yes? as in /proc/<pid>/limits
[08:31] <ryuo> yes
[08:31] <mithodin> okay
[08:32] <mithodin> nah, also at  62987, at least for apache
[08:33] <ryuo> then it's possible the kernel runs out of resources for fork.
[08:33] <ryuo> how much RAM are you given?
[08:34] <mithodin> 4GB, with 2.9GB available currently.
[08:34] <ryuo> ok... that's probably not it.
[08:35] <ryuo> i'm out of ideas then. i just know that this means the kernel is refusing to allow fork or thread creation to create new processes.
[08:35] <ryuo> wait... virtual?
[08:35] <ryuo> is it a container?
[08:35] <ryuo> you may be hitting a resource limiter by the host kernel then.
[08:35] <mithodin> yes, it's a virtual server. I think they use virtuozzo, but I'm not sure
[08:36] <ryuo> i can't be sure.
[08:36] <ryuo> though do you get this issue from bash?
[08:36] <ryuo> if it was a container limiter i would expect ssh to also be impacted.
[08:37] <ryuo> bash prints errors if it can't fork processes.
[08:37] <mithodin> I haven't hit that, no
[08:37] <ryuo> so only certain services are impacted?
[08:38] <ryuo> strange. if it was a system wide glitch, i would expect login sessions to also notice it.
[08:38] <mithodin> oh.... I just found something. Systemd has a task limit of 60 for apache
[08:38] <mithodin> goddammit, systemd
[08:38] <ryuo> I see. I don't know much about systemd, but I thought it would show up in the proc stats.
[08:39] <mithodin> it doesn't, because that would be sane, and that's not the systemd way, apparently.
[08:40] <ryuo> so i guess i was right. it was a context specific limiter.
[08:40] <mithodin> yes.
[08:40] <mithodin> Now I need to figure out how to change that.
[08:49] <dan01> Eh... I don't want to be a troll or something but.. is it just or Ubuntu didn't do ANYTHING significant since the fall of Unity/Mir/Ubuntu Phone except snaps?
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | dan01
[08:58] <mithodin> Fixed it. If anyone reads this log looking for an answer: systemctl edit <service_name>, then add a [Service] section and put TasksMax=<Task limit you want>, then restart the service.
[09:02] <mithodin> Thanks ryuo
[09:08] <ibr2> guy i have an issue with "sudp apt update", it's not updating due to signature invalidity
[09:11] <JadedJ> Hi, I'm connected to Wifi, but can't ping the gateway
[09:11] <JadedJ> I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 Server
[09:12] <tomreyn> JadedJ: did you experience this issue before?
[09:13] <JadedJ> n
[09:13] <JadedJ> no
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ibr2: can you please pastebin the output of what you experience on apt? volunteers might be able to help you better
[09:13] <tomreyn> JadedJ: is it a new installation then?
[09:13] <JadedJ> no
[09:14] <tomreyn> JadedJ: which ubuntu 18.04 LTS server version exactly?    lsb_release -ds
[09:14] <JadedJ> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[09:14] <tomreyn> JadedJ: hw is the wireless connection configured, using systemd-networkd or network manager?
[09:14] <tomreyn> *how
[09:15] <JadedJ> I'm using wpa_supplicant, dhclient
[09:15] <tomreyn> JadedJ: and how do you configure networking?
[09:16] <JadedJ> By using dhclient?
[09:16] <tomreyn> do you do this manually after boot?
[09:16] <JadedJ> No, I have it automated
[09:16] <tomreyn> how?
[09:17] <JadedJ> I use this guide.
[09:17] <JadedJ> https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/connect-to-wi-fi-from-terminal-on-ubuntu-18-04-19-04-with-wpa-supplicant
[09:19] <tomreyn> interesting, so you prefer using neither network manager nor systemd-networkd for configuraring networking for some reason
[09:21] <JadedJ> Well I found that guide useful, so I followed it
[09:21] <tomreyn> JadedJ: so you have configured the wpa_supplicant, started it, brought up the wireless interface, had it authenticate to the AP, ran dhclient and got an ip address?
[09:21] <JadedJ> yeah
[09:22] <JadedJ> I can ping the gateway now, but I want to know why I couldn't before
[09:22] <tomreyn> personally i would prefer using the frameworks ubuntu provides for managing the network connection, but you're obviously able to brew your own soup
[09:23] <tomreyn> i will not be able to tell you so, maybe your system log will have hints on it.
[09:24] <JadedJ> dmesg?
[09:24] <tomreyn> journalctl -b
[09:25] <JadedJ> thanks
[09:25] <tomreyn> i recommend you familiarise yourself with netplan, systemd-networkd, network manager, since it should make it easier to manage your network connectivity (and understand what failed if things go wrong)
[09:26] <JadedJ> I have netplan setup for my wired connection
[09:27] <tomreyn> then it would seem logical to me to just add another configuration for wireless there, too
[09:27] <tomreyn> https://netplan.io/examples#connecting-to-a-wpa-personal-wireless-network
[09:28] <JadedJ> I really hate the way ubuntu now has really long names for interfaces
[09:28] <JadedJ> my current interface is 16 characters long
[09:29] <tomreyn> this is not ubuntu specific, it's a result of freedesktop.org's 'predictable network interface names' specification, which many distros have assumed
[09:29] <JadedJ> Ok, I'll switch to netplan for my wifi interface as well
[09:30] <JadedJ> Do I put the wifi interface in the same config file as the wired connection on netplan?
[09:31] <tomreyn> JadedJ: yes
[09:32] <tomreyn> in fact they should share the first three lines of the example i pointed to
[09:35] <JadedJ> So I will have to disable the wpa_supplicant service
[09:42] <notsoever> thanks for the awsome work, i am concerned now for the privacy and security issues.
[09:43] <notsoever> what in the code the Amazon play in OS?
[09:46] <notsoever> didnt worked in my pc with debian but y DO, and simpler then expected
[09:47] <tomreyn> notsoever: i'm having some difficulties understanding your ubuntu support question. maybe this would hel:
[09:47] <tomreyn> !br
[09:47] <tomreyn> *help
[09:48] <notsoever> !security
[09:48] <notsoever> !root
[09:48] <rana_ans> !help
[09:49] <rana_ans> !topic
[09:49] <tomreyn> !messagethebot | rana_ans
[09:50] <rana_ans> how does this work? I need help!
[09:50] <tomreyn> rana_ans: what do you need help with?
[09:50] <notsoever> !amazon
[09:51] <notsoever> !
[09:51] <rana_ans> I have installed ubuntu in dual mode with windows but windows is on SSD and ubuntu is on HDD, I cannot access my windows now plus it doesnt show ssd anywhere when I check fdisk
[09:51] <rana_ans> I have gone through all the forums and it doesnt really solve my problem, I have Asus TUF FX505G
[09:52] <notsoever> boot loader problem
[09:52] <tomreyn> rana_ans: when you say you "cannot access [your] windows now", does thi mean you can no longer boot into windows? or that you cannot access its file systems from ubuntu?
[09:52] <rana_ans> I tried repairing it using boot-repair but still doesnt show
[09:53] <rana_ans> I cannot boot into windows, I can access files from ubuntu
[09:54] <tomreyn> if you can access the files on the windows file systems form ubuntu then this means ubuntu did detect the ssd which the windows file sytems are stored on.
[09:54] <notsoever> i dont have problems. its all in boxes. in strong hardware. all in top i trust. may i trust Y
[09:55] <tomreyn> if you cannot boot into windows anymore this can have different reasons, the most common reason is probably that you're mixing uefi and bios booting
[09:55] <tomreyn> rana_ans: ^
[09:55] <rana_ans> yes that, probably it is because I dont understand anything about UEFI and BIOS
[09:56] <rana_ans> in Bios it shows something like TOSHIBA WINDOWS bla bla and I drag it to first position to priorities it but it saves, restarts and goes to grub menu and nothing, ubuntu boots
[09:56] <tomreyn> rana_ans: the most important thing to understand for a dual-boot setup is that all operating systems should boot in the same mode for dual-boot to work most reliably.
[09:57] <rana_ans> could you explain it a little bit more? because I dont know how to do what you are saying, how do I set it same for every OS
[09:57] <tomreyn> !uefi
[09:58] <rana_ans> !uefi
[09:58] <tomreyn> rana_ans: see what ubottu just said
[09:58] <notsoever> rana_ans: why grub intead lilo?
[09:58] <tomreyn> grub is fine
[09:59] <notsoever> tomreyn: better?
[09:59] <rana_ans> I dont know @notsoever , I have not idea, I have used ubuntu in other laptop and there was only one thing to setup is to show grub and bring windows 10 on 1st, but when I installed it on this laptop its giving me problems that I have no idea of
[09:59] <tomreyn> notsoever: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EFIBootLoaders
[10:01] <tomreyn> rana_ans: did you install windows yourself or was it pre-installed?
[10:01] <rana_ans> the link that ubotto mentioned tells if I wanna install ubuntu and then choose the mode, but I already have ubuntu in my pc, I cannot boot into windows
[10:01] <rana_ans> it was pre-installed
[10:01] <notsoever> rana_ans: so many hardware
[10:01] <notsoever> but
[10:01] <tomreyn> rana_ans: do you know which windows version it is?
[10:01] <rana_ans> windows 10  HOME 64-bit?
[10:02] <tomreyn> rana_ans: this was installed in uefi mode then. is your ubuntu installation installed in uefi mode, too?
[10:02] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[10:02] <rana_ans> I have no idea about that, tell me how to check and I will tell you
[10:02] <rana_ans> sec
[10:02] <notsoever> what if i delete the partition fat
[10:02] <rana_ans> This system booted via: UEFI
[10:03] <notsoever> got problems with it
[10:03] <tomreyn> rana_ans: oh, good so they're installe din the same mode. does grub not offer booting into windows then?
[10:03] <rana_ans> nope, I tried adding windows 10 into it by reading some of the problems in ubuntu help forums but it didnt help
[10:04] <rana_ans> it gives some kinda error
[10:04] <tomreyn> rana_ans: can you be more specific on this error?
[10:04] <rana_ans> umm I dont remember it now, it said something about command not defined
[10:04] <tomreyn> rana_ans: maybe you can run "sudo update-grub" now and share its output with us
[10:05] <IcusDicus> I use Termite as the terminal emulator, and am trying to connect to a BBS. It isn't showing ANSI properly, and I see coloured question marks. Any idea how to have it display ANSI properly?
[10:05] <tomreyn> !pastebin | rana_ans
[10:05] <rana_ans> I edited 40_customs and then it gave me that error
[10:05] <notsoever> we must wun wolfes on ton on shhep....?
[10:06] <tomreyn> notsoever: unless you have an ubuntu support question or are actively helping others, please don't chat here. this is exclusively a support channel. there is also #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:07] <rana_ans> rana_ans@rana-ans:~$ sudo update-grubSourcing file `/etc/default/grub'Generating grub configuration file ...Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.3.0-050300-genericFound initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.3.0-050300-genericFound linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-66-genericFound initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-66-genericFound linux image:
[10:07] <rana_ans> /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-29-genericFound initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-29-genericAdding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configurationdone
[10:07] <tomreyn> rana_ans: again, please use a pastebin
[10:07] <notsoever> it is so clean i have no question.
[10:07] <rana_ans> yeah I tried that but Idk what to do there
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> notsoever: then please remain quiet
[10:08] <tomreyn> rana_ans: okay, let's try this:   sudo update-grub 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:08] <tomreyn> rana_ans: actually, no, wait, this wont work
[10:08] <rana_ans> ok
[10:09] <tomreyn> rana_ans: okay, let's try this:   sudo update-grub &> /tmp/grub; cat /tmp/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:09] <tomreyn> rana_ans: this should return http address you can then post here
[10:09] <rana_ans> output: https://termbin.com/3pqo
[10:11] <tomreyn> rana_ans: okay, no indication that your windows installation was found there. now lets try this:   sudo os-prober &> /tmp/os-prober; cat /tmp/osprober | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:15] <tomreyn> rana_ans: please also     cat /etc/grub.d/40_custom | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:15] <JadedJ> tomreyn:How do I get my wireless interface to start during boot if I'm using netplan?
[10:16] <notsoever> may i run confortably windows on top of Y with AMD support to nested virtualization intel cant?
[10:17] <rana_ans> tomreyn sorry my broadband got restarted
[10:17] <rana_ans> heres output: cat: /tmp/osprober: No such file or directorync: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Name or service not known
[10:17] <tomreyn> JadedJ: once you've configured it and ran netplan apply it should start by default, on a standard ubuntu system. you may need to roll back the configuration changes you had previously made when following this blog post you had linked to.
[10:18] <tomreyn> rana_ans: i had mistyped, sorry, here's the correct command again:  sudo os-prober &> /tmp/os-prober; cat /tmp/os-prober | nc termbin.com 9999
 rana_ans: please also     cat /etc/grub.d/40_custom | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:20] <tomreyn> notsoever: i read your question twice but do not understand it.
[10:20] <rana_ans> https://termbin.com/3fvt
[10:21] <notsoever> tomreyn: nested virtualization, who can?
[10:21] <rana_ans> that menuentry, I added that
[10:21] <tomreyn> notsoever: i can, and you too, given the right hardware.
[10:21] <notsoever> for strong hardware
[10:21] <tomreyn> rana_ans: okay, now the os-prober output, please
[10:21] <notsoever> ok
[10:22] <rana_ans> It gives nothing back
[10:22] <tomreyn> that's good to know
[10:22] <notsoever> nice to tell
[10:22] <rana_ans> I ran this command: sudo os-prober &> /tmp/os-prober; cat /tmp/os-prober | cat /etc/grub.d/40_custom | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:22] <rana_ans> and gave you the link it generated
[10:23] <tomreyn> rana_ans: this is not the command i had provided, it is a mix of the two command lines i had provided
[10:23] <rana_ans> your first one didnt give anything
[10:24] <tomreyn> ok, so os-prober did not detect any other OS
[10:24] <rana_ans> it takes a while but gives nothing back,
[10:24] <rana_ans> ok
[10:25] <tomreyn> i think what you have in /etc/grub.d/40_custom is for bios-booting windows
[10:25] <JadedJ> tomreyn: I commented out the entries in '/etc/systemd/system/wpa_supplicant.service'
[10:25] <rana_ans> I added that because it fixed for someone
[10:26] <JadedJ> That have the value 'ExecStart=/sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i INTERFACE'
[10:26] <rana_ans> I have been searching how to add windows 10 to grub, tried different solutions but none has solved mine
[10:26] <notsoever> tomreyn: interests concern me amazon pay for sure, butt
[10:26] <JadedJ> Saved the file, and then ran, 'sudo systemctl disable wpa_supplicant.service'
[10:26] <tomreyn> rana_ans: i think you need something along the lines of this rather: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kYPGSwZVqG/
[10:27] <JadedJ> I then opened '/etc/systemd/system/dhclient.service' and cleared all the entries I added
[10:27] <JadedJ> Then ran 'sudo systemctl disable dhclient.service'
[10:27] <tomreyn> rana_ans: so i suggest you replace the lower part of your /etc/grub.d/40_custom by this
[10:27] <rana_ans> on it
[10:27] <JadedJ> Next I ran 'sudo netplan apply' and rebooted
[10:28] <rana_ans> tomreyn: btw if hd1 is for Hard drive, then shouldnt we be concerned that windows is installed on SSD?
[10:28] <tomreyn> JadedJ: you'd probably want to mask the wpa_supplicant.service so it wont start again on boot (unless this is a default service, but i dont think it is)
[10:28] <JadedJ> tomreyn: I've switched to netplan for wifi now, I've rebooted and everything seems to be working!
[10:28] <notsoever> i am crazy to say a fly to amazon
[10:28] <JadedJ> THANKS!
[10:29] <JadedJ> Mask the wpa_supplicant.service?
[10:30] <tomreyn> JadedJ: yes, that's what i said
[10:30] <JadedJ> How do I do that?
[10:30] <tomreyn> JadedJ: systemctl mask wpa_supplicant.service
[10:30] <rana_ans> tomreyn: btw if hd1 is for Hard drive, then shouldnt we be concerned that windows is installed on SSD?
[10:32] <tommy``> how can i add a permit to a folder and give access to it for another user? (not changing with chown)
[10:32] <tomreyn> rana_ans: grub does not make a distinction between HDD and SSD. it considers any storage device an 'hd', and starts to count at 0.
[10:32] <rana_ans> ok, now I have to update-grub and restart?
[10:33] <tomreyn> rana_ans: i'm assuming that the SSD which windows is installe don is the 2nd storage your uefi system gets to see suring initialization, which is why i suggested to point it to hd1,1
[10:33] <rana_ans> ok I ran sudo update-grub, now Im gonna restart laptop, thats ok right?
[10:34] <tomreyn> rana_ans: "sudo update-grub" now, but give me a minute i want to check more about whether this is realyl the right way to boot into windows on an uefi botted system.
[10:34] <notsoever> my ssd id 120G runned ok with debian now 3T complains for our partner y are so more. for lazy dogs
[10:34] <tomreyn> rana_ans: you can also just try and we can try again later
[10:34] <tomreyn> as you prefer
[10:34] <notsoever> sorry
[10:34] <rana_ans> I will wait for you to check more about it
[10:35] <tomreyn> notsoever: i am afraid i do not think that we can help you on this channel due to a language barrier.
[10:35] <notsoever> in the rush
[10:35] <Industrial> Hi. I just dist-upgraded to 19.10 from 9.04. In gnome my mouse is gone on the desktop. WHen I have a window active I can see the pointer
[10:36] <Industrial> Oh, now it's there again :S
[10:36] <Industrial> nvm
[10:36] <notsoever> gonna killl my language
[10:36] <notsoever> polite
[10:36] <tomreyn> rana_ans: can you show me what's on your efi system partition?  sudo ls -lR /boot/efi/ &> /tmp/esp; cat /tmp/esp | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:37] <rana_ans> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/trjy
[10:39] <JadedJ> tomreyn: when I run systemctl mask wpa_supplicant.service it says 'Failed to mask unit: File /etc/systemd/system/wpa_supplicant.service already exists.'
[10:41] <tomreyn> rana_ans: hmm, this looks like you *may* have two efi system partitions now, one on the ssd and another one on the hdd ubuntu is installed on. but the system (UEFI firmware) will only use and find one, which is the one the ubuntu HDD
[10:41] <rana_ans> okay... how do we fix that? Im willing to do anything but uninstall windows :D
[10:43] <tomreyn> rana_ans: let's try to confirm this theory:   sudo fdisk -l &> /tmp/fdisk ; sudo lsblk --fs >> /tmp/fdisk 2>&1; cat /tmp/fdisk | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:43] <rana_ans> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/f7eb
[10:45] <tomreyn> JadedJ: it all boils down to this: if you manually created /etc/systemd/system/wpa_supplicant.service while making customizations to your system initially while following this blog post, you will need to remove it or at least ensure it will not be used. if, however, it was there previously, and things are just working fine now then there's nothing you need to do there.
[10:46] <tomreyn> rana_ans: so actually ubuntu only sees one installed storage media ("disk"). you mentioned that you had been able to access windows files from ubuntu earlier, though?
[10:47] <rana_ans> yes
[10:47] <tomreyn> rana_ans: hmm actually there is an ntfs file system on sda1
[10:47] <tomreyn> rana_ans: but did you not say you had windows and ubuntu on different physical storages?
[10:47] <rana_ans> yes, windows is in C: which is totally on SSD
[10:48] <rana_ans> I shrinked some storage from HDD in windows before installing ubuntu
[10:48] <tomreyn> and this 1 TB storage is not the SSD?
[10:48] <rana_ans> nope 1tb is HDD and 128 is ssd
[10:49] <rana_ans> 128GB is SSD which is not shown anywhere, am I right?
[10:49] <notsoever> what if i have pedo will yoy dare?
[10:49] <tomreyn> correct, it is not detected properly. we can have a look at the system log, though:    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:49] <tomreyn> rana_ans: ^
[10:49] <notsoever> wont cost a penny
[10:50] <notsoever> do me
[10:50] <tomreyn> !ops | notsoever
[10:50] <notsoever> come on
[10:51] <notsoever> more older [
[10:51] <rana_ans> tomreyn https://termbin.com/66of
[10:52] <notsoever> stay in the shadows
[10:52] <notsoever> im in
[10:53] <tomreyn> rana_ans: and it says this:  Nov 04 09:00:57 rana-ans kernel: ahci 0000:00:17.0: Found 1 remapped NVMe devices.      Nov 04 09:00:57 rana-ans kernel: ahci 0000:00:17.0: Switch your BIOS from RAID to AHCI mode to use them.
[10:53] <rana_ans> umm how do I switch BIOS from RAID to AHCI?
[10:53] <tomreyn> rana_ans: indeed, you should find a "SATA mode" setting in BIOS, which is currently set to "RAID" but needs to be set to "AHCI"
[10:54] <notsoever> wont find nothing[
[10:54] <notsoever> "friends"
[10:55] <notsoever> i am just alone
[10:55] <notsoever> nothing esle
[10:55] <rana_ans> tomreyn: I told you I have no idea about BIOS and how to set things, could you just point me in a direction and I will keep you updated
[10:56] <tomreyn> rana_ans: it probably looks like this for you: https://rog.asus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/5-PCIe-RAID.png
[10:56] <notsoever> oldis
[10:56] <tomreyn> rana_ans: this is a guess, since any mainboard bios may look differently, and i can't tell what exactly yours looks like
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> notsoever: stop that
[10:57] <notsoever> i on up to 4crazy
[10:57] <rana_ans> tomreyn: yeah mine looks different than that, but I can go into it and have a look, find out where that property is
[10:58] <rana_ans> I'll connect here from my phone and go into bios from laptop, ok?
[10:59] <tomreyn> rana_ans: good plan
[10:59] <notsoever> go to the core
[11:00] <notsoever> danm
[11:00] <notsoever> love
[11:00] <notsoever> not the channel
[11:02] <chieta> how to know that my apt-get dist-upgrade is still running or not? the process is still listed on the top command, but the percentage stuck on 47%... any clues
[11:02] <rana_ans96> tomreyn: Ok I found an option ‘SATA Mode Slection’ which is selected to Intel RST Premium With Intel Optane System Acceleration’ second option that can be set is AHCI
[11:03] <rana_ans96> should I set it and save & exit?
[11:03] <tomreyn> rana_ans96: yes, let's try it. i'm not sure whether windows will boot this way, but it wont cause data loss
[11:04] <tomreyn> rana_ans96: and you can't boot windows now anyways, so it also won't make things worse ;)
[11:04] <rana_ans96> When I select Windows 10 from grub it says
[11:05] <rana_ans96> eror: disk ‘{hd1, 1}’ not found
[11:06] <rana_ans96> Booting back unto ubuntu
[11:06] <tomreyn> rana_ans96: okay, we'll have to investigate this further oncve you're booted into ubuntu. hopefully we can now detec tthe other disk
[11:06] <rana_ans96> yeah booting into ubuntu
[11:07] <jeremy31> rana_ans96: not hd1,gpt1?
[11:07] <tomreyn> post    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    again when you're booted
[11:07] <tomreyn> jeremy31: ah right, i had not thought of it
[11:07] <rana_ans96> jeremy31: sorry what?
[11:08] <jeremy31> rana_ans96: the error message
[11:08] <tomreyn> the main issue here is that windows is installe don intel optane and was set to RAID mode in bios before ubuntu was installed, though
[11:08] <rana_ans> yes it gave error and I posted it here as it is jeremy31
[11:08] <tomreyn> jeremy31: we manually added this grub menu option which failed to boot now.
[11:09] <rana_ans> tomreyn: its easy to write here, could tell me what command you wanted to run?
 post    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    again when you're booted
[11:10] <rana_ans> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/7qwo
[11:10] <notsoever> not i was thinking about nested shit sorrry can in AMD not in intel
[11:12] <tomreyn> rana_ans: the nvme is now detected   Nov 04 11:05:23 rana-ans kernel: nvme nvme0: 8/0/0 default/read/poll queues    Nov 04 11:05:23 rana-ans kernel:  nvme0n1: p1 p2 p3 p4
[11:12] <rana_ans> ok and?
[11:13] <tomreyn> rana_ans: let's see the partitions there now:   sudo fdisk -l &> /tmp/fdisk ; sudo lsblk --fs >> /tmp/fdisk 2>&1; cat /tmp/fdisk | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:13] <rana_ans> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/bjtm
[11:14] <tomreyn> rana_ans: also does    sudo os-prober     now output anything?
[11:14] <rana_ans> tomreyn: yes, it returned: /dev/nvme0n1p2@/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi:Windows Boot Manager:Windows:efi
[11:15] <tomreyn> rana_ans: okay, so just run    sudo update-grub
[11:15] <tomreyn> rana_ans: actually you can remove the lines we added to /etc/grub.d/40_custom now, too. and run    sudo update-grub   once more
[11:16] <rana_ans> ok
[11:17] <jeremy31> rana_ans: You might have to switch back to RAID mode and install AHCI drivers in Windws
[11:17] <rana_ans> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZqsbWJ3HF6/
[11:17] <rana_ans> we will do that once windows works.
[11:18] <tomreyn> rana_ans: so you can try to boot into it now. but, as jeremy31 meant to point out, windows may be unable to boot in the modified configuration now.
[11:18] <tomreyn> but at least it should get to its boot loader now
[11:19] <rana_ans> windows doesnt show in grub, how am I gonna boot into it?
[11:19] <tomreyn> rana_ans: it should show in grub now
[11:20] <tomreyn> since update-grub / os-prober detected it at line 9 of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZqsbWJ3HF6/
[11:20] <rana_ans> ok I'll try it now, brb
[11:20] <notsoever> brb?
[11:20] <rana_ans41> Be right back
[11:21] <rana_ans41> Tomreyn: ok it shows windows boot manager but gives error
[11:22] <tomreyn> rana_ans41: do you want to tell us which error grub reports?
[11:22] <alwyn> Hi, I'm installing Ubuntu 18.04 right now, and I can't find a progress bar or anything. Can I somehow see what's happening?
[11:23] <notsoever> man its all shinni in tyhe sun
[11:23] <rana_ans41> Error: no such device : 803F-49E9
[11:23] <notsoever> woks
[11:23] <notsoever> its all about
[11:24] <rana_ans41> error: file ‘/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi’ not found
[11:24] <rana_ans41> Tomreyn: ^
[11:24] <notsoever> gonna thow up
[11:24] <notsoever> error?
[11:25] <notsoever> with amazon?
[11:25] <rana_ans> ok tomreyn, there were two errors that I wrote earlier.
[11:25] <tomreyn> rana_ans41: hmm 803F-49E9 is the vfat file system UUID on the nvme. maybe grub cannot access the optane storage for some reason
[11:26] <rana_ans> I read optane something in other option against AHCI
[11:26] <tomreyn> rana_ans: had you removed the non comment lines off /etc/grub.d/40_custom before you ran update-grub?
[11:27] <notsoever> cope to the erros
[11:27] <rana_ans> nope, I only removed what you told me too
[11:27] <rana_ans> hash tagged lines + !/bin something, they are all there
[11:27] <rana_ans> I can recheck tho
[11:28] <rana_ans> yead, they are all there
[11:28] <notsoever> do me
[11:28] <rana_ans> yeap*
[11:28] <tomreyn> rana_ans: hash tagged = comment lines, yes. those lines starting with # should remain there, and the ones that were below should be removed
[11:28] <rana_ans> yes I removed menuentry only, not the ones before it
[11:28] <notsoever> crotect
[11:29] <tomreyn> notsoever: can you please just shut up or leave?
[11:29] <rana_ans> is he a helper or an admin here?
[11:29] <tomreyn> neither
[11:30] <Devtron> If i am understanding this right, none of the 19.xx ubuntu versions are getting LTS support, is this correct ?
[11:30] <tomreyn> Devtron: they are not LTS releases, so that's correct.
[11:30] <jeremy31> Devtron: correct, only the .04 release on even numbered years is LTS
[11:30] <Devtron> Thanks
[11:31] <notsoever> go ahead
[11:31] <tomreyn> rana_ans: i need a 5 miunte break, maybe jeremy has another suggestion in the meantime, otherwise i can look up what can be done in this situation afterwards
[11:31] <tomreyn> !lts | Devtron
[11:32] <rana_ans> tomreyn: ok, I will be here. I will ask jeremy for if he has anything
[11:33] <rana_ans> jeremy31, there?
[11:33] <notsoever> gonna chek... not so much@
[11:33] <jeremy31> rana_ans: URL from terminal for>  sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:33] <rana_ans> jeremy31: so I assume you have been reading and know my problem hsitory?
[11:33] <rana_ans> on it
[11:34] <rana_ans> https://termbin.com/rlu8y
[11:34] <notsoever> problem?
[11:34] <notsoever> sad
[11:34] <notsoever> telll me now
[11:35] <jeremy31> rana_ans: and>  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com
[11:36] <rana_ans> jeremy31: https://termbin.com/rlq3
[11:37] <notsoever> amamotoveio.com
[11:37] <jeremy31> rana_ans: you have an EFI System partition on each drive
[11:37] <rana_ans> ok...
[11:37] <notsoever> vc seguiu bich
[11:37] <notsoever> eh nois aki
[11:38] <jeremy31> Whoops, time to go to work
[11:38] <rana_ans> I have windows installed on SSD but ubuntu on HDD,
[11:39] <rana_ans> you are going too? or you are going to work to solve my problem?
[11:39] <jeremy31> rana_ans: but it was in RAID mode?
[11:39] <notsoever> meu amor
[11:39] <notsoever> bick
[11:39] <notsoever> to no seguinte
[11:39] <rana_ans> I have no idea, it was not in AHCI there was another option with long name
[11:40] <jeremy31> Some Intel option
[11:40] <jeremy31> tom will be back soon
[11:40] <rana_ans> yes intel...optane... alot of names
[11:40] <rana_ans> so you are going too?
[11:40] <notsoever> amd intel?
[11:41] <notsoever> comme on
[11:44] <notsoever> games
[11:44] <notsoever> AMD
[11:44] <tomreyn> rana_ans: i'm back. need to read a bit about how to dual boot with intel optane now. this is a proprietary storage which *may* not be well supported by ubuntu. i'll see.
[11:44] <notsoever> whatever bic
[11:45] <rana_ans> ok sure, do whatever you want man I want this fixed
[11:45] <rana_ans> this didnt happen in my hp elitbook old ass laptop lol
[11:46] <Devtron> question, is it called terminal or consol access when you only a server version of ubuntu is used
[11:49] <rana_ans> tomreyn: can we just not uninstall ubuntu from within here and shrink volume from ssd and install ubuntu there and it doesnt give any problems?
[11:52] <tomreyn> rana_ans: no. my guess is that grub does not actually see the optane memory, and thus cannot boot off it. this would probably be the same if grub was installed on the optane memory, too.
[11:52] <notsoever> the  masters keek
[11:52] <tomreyn> rana_ans: what you can try, though, is to reboot to grub now and verify whether it can see more than one disk
[11:53] <rana_ans> it shows windows boot loader but doesnt load
[11:53] <notsoever> wake up now
[11:54] <tomreyn> rana_ans: press escape when at the grub menu, so you get the grub comand line, and type "ls", then press tab twice to see possible targets
[11:54] <Milencho> rana_ans, did you install windows/linux in UEFI mode ?
[11:54] <notsoever> juices for y
[11:54] <rana_ans> milencho: yes
[11:54] <rana_ans> tomreyn: noted
[11:54] <Devtron> what is a good CHEAP single slot gpu to get to use with an old server and ubuntu desktop
[11:55] <notsoever> rana_ans: give me
[11:55] <rana_ans> tomreyn: ok Imma reboot and do that now
[11:55] <Milencho> rana_ans, if it's not a big effort u can do it again and make new UEFI bootable USB/CD
[11:55] <Milencho> i had similar issue before few months and it's disaster;]
[11:56] <rana_ans> milencho: Im unable to boot into windows so how can I delete ubuntu and do whatever you just said :D
[11:56] <rana_ans> I just dont wanna lose windows, I have some really important stuff in it
[11:56] <notsoever> is good
[11:56] <tomreyn> rana_ans: actually you'll need to type    ls (     then press tab once
[11:56] <rana_ans> ok
[11:57] <notsoever>  not so much
[11:57] <tomreyn> aaw you dont have backups :-/
[11:57] <Milencho> rana_ans just make good USB EUFI ubuntu
[11:58] <rana_ans> yeah economy sucks here and students dont get pocketmoney from govt
[11:58] <Milencho> you have already created partitions so you will not f*** up the win os
[11:58] <tomreyn> Devtron: try ##hardware for hardware recommendations.
[11:58] <rana_ans> ok so lemme do what tomreyn said and then go on doing what you are saying
[12:00] <Devtron> tomreyn thaks
[12:00] <rana_ans20> Possible commands are
[12:01] <rana_ans20> tomreyn: ls lsacpi lscoreboot lsefi lsefimmp lsef isystab lsfonts lsmmap lsmod lspci lssal
[12:01] <rana_ans20> it works with the bracket
[12:01] <alwyn> Is there any installation log whatsoever that you can tail or something? I am not seeing any progress, and the installation has been running for about an hour now. From a USB to a laptop with an SSD, so it should go fast. :/
[12:01] <rana_ans20> without*
[12:02] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: so when you type     ls (     and then press tab it prints "Possible commands are..."?
[12:03] <tomreyn> it should actually print "Possible devices are: ..." then
[12:03] <rana_ans20> No I type ls and press tab and then it says that, ls ( does nothing
[12:03] <rana_ans20> nope not that
[12:03] <rana_ans20> I pressed escape at grub
[12:04] <rana_ans20> it shows grub>
[12:04] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: press enter so you get a new prompt. when you now type    ls (h     and press tab, what does it print then?
[12:05] <rana_ans20> i type ls and press tab it shows possible commands
[12:05] <tomreyn> thats not what i asked, though
[12:05] <rana_ans20> for ls (h it says cant find command
[12:05] <rana_ans20> ls h says invalid file name
[12:05] <tomreyn> type "ls (h"   then press tab once, not enter
[12:05] <tomreyn> without the quotation marks
[12:06] <rana_ans20> it gives nothing
[12:06] <rana_ans20> however ls h gives possible files are ....
[12:06] <rana_ans20> without brakcet it works
[12:06] <tomreyn> hmm, ok, that's strange, it doesn#t see any disks
[12:07] <notsoever> totment
[12:07] <tomreyn> if you just type "ls" and press enter, what does it say?
[12:07] <notsoever> in my place
[12:08] <rana_ans20> ls, enter gives, hd0 hd0,gpt4, hd0,got3, hd0,got2, hd0,gpt1
[12:08] <notsoever> torment aqgaingn in my place
[12:08] <rana_ans20> these are in brackets, it takes alotta time on phone
[12:08] <notsoever> bich
[12:08] <notsoever> again
[12:09] <tomreyn> ok, so it really doesn't see the optane
[12:09] <rana_ans20> ok...
[12:09] <notsoever> we ra in bick
[12:09] <notsoever> ok
[12:11] <tomreyn> so grub won't be able to boot windows off the optane, but maybe we can copy windows' boot block to the efi system partition on the hdd and then *maybe* windows can start. but i'm not really sure this can work
[12:11] <rana_ans20> Ok
[12:12] <tomreyn> maybe it's better you undo the bios configuration change and delete ubuntu for now, then work on making windows bootable again off the optane (maybe get help with this in ##windows) and then back it up and install everyhting on the hdd instead.
[12:12] <rana_ans20> just tell me what you want me to do to fix this  as quickly as possible
[12:12] <rana_ans20> how do I delete ubuntu?
[12:12] <notsoever> you curse up mustache, did y?
[12:13] <rana_ans20> and if I delete it, will I be able to boot into windows automatically?
[12:14] <tomreyn> to delete ubuntu, you could just overwrite the hdd (except for the ntfs partitiont ere which you probably want to retain)
[12:14] <notsoever> y gave me all
[12:14] <tomreyn> to delete ubuntu, you could just overwrite the hdd (except for the ntfs partition there which you probably want to retain)
[12:14] <rana_ans20> tomreyn: wait I clicked on windows boot loader in grub and it loaded window but it came up with blue screen that it ran into problem
[12:14] <tomreyn> you could do so while booted form a live usb system
[12:15] <notsoever> must shit to complain?
[12:15] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: ?! what's different now than last time you tried to do so?
[12:16] <rana_ans20> umm last time I couldnt get into windows or even load windows,
[12:16] <Devtron> is it posible to create an account that can install what they want, BUT cannot create new user accounts ?
[12:17] <notsoever> tremblin uses
[12:17] <notsoever> sudo
[12:17] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: yes, i mean did you change some other configurations, since last time you chose this option from the grub menu it just said it could not find the file system
[12:17] <rana_ans20> Nope
[12:18] <tomreyn> unless you were trying the old grub menu option again then which we had previously tried to remove
[12:18] <rana_ans20> I did nothing on my own since I have been getting help from you
[12:19] <alwyn> Devtron: you can definitely do that if you just use apt/apt-get directly. Not sure if you use the package manager GUI.
[12:20] <rana_ans20> Tomreyn: well now I can enter troubleshoot and recovery in windows, so if I do windows recovery, will it solve the boot problem as well?
[12:20] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: okay, i'm just surprised it's behaving differnetly now while we made no changes. i'll just accept it as it is now.
[12:20] <notsoever> not so ever
[12:21] <rana_ans20> Well Idk but jeremy didnt tell me to do anything either
[12:21] <tomreyn> at least you got to the windows boot loader now. so you probably you will need to convince windows to boot with this setup now somehow, probably using a windows installer dvd or something. i suggest you get help with this in ##windows
[12:22] <tomreyn> well, we're just volunteers here, spending our spare time. i'm not familiar with optane, jeremy had to go to work.
[12:22] <rana_ans20> so theres a channel for windows too, I’ll go into it once I have windows on usb
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:22] <tomreyn> hi
[12:22] <rana_ans20> oh ok, thanks tho
[12:23] <Devtron> alwyn I am ressponsible for some servers where phd students need to test their projects on, I just want to prevent them from creating new accounts. if they want their own computer, I can give them either a VM with remote access, or if posible their own computer to play with that gets formated when they are done
[12:25] <notsoever> come colgalgte naturak me te essee, waked dondwone i know
[12:25] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: you're welcome. for the future: please keep in mind to always have good backups, generally, and especially when you decide to set up multi-boot.
[12:26] <alwyn> Devtron: I'd say give them the necessary sudo commands in /etc/sudoers.d/
[12:26] <rana_ans20> Tomreyn: its not all about backup too, I bought this laptop recently and if I delete all the OSs, I have have to buy windows because they didnt provide me with a key to register it again and I have no idea why they didnt provide
[12:27] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: it's probably stored on the mainboard, details in ##windows, i guess
[12:27] <tomreyn> or from your hardware manufacturer
[12:27] <notsoever> rana_ans20: BICH
[12:28] <rana_ans20> Notsoever: thanks
[12:28] <notsoever> NO CONFIDENCE
[12:28] <notsoever> ELSE
[12:29] <rana_ans20> tomreyn: for windows just its double hash or I can go with /join #windows?
[12:29] <notsoever> NOT ME PNEED FUCK YOU
[12:29] <tomreyn> rana_ans20: it's what i wrote twice. ##windows
[12:29] <rana_ans20> Ok I joined it thanks!
[12:30] <notsoever> SECURITY IN THIS
[12:34] <notsoever> SURVIVE?
[12:34] <notsoever> HOW?
[12:36] <notsoever> NOT SO MUCH
[12:36] <notsoever> sorry
[12:36] <notsoever> ever
[12:37] <lotuspsychje_> !ops | notsoever trolling mumble
[12:37] <notsoever> my caps
[12:38] <notsoever> not trouble in amazon
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> tnx popey
[13:36] <rexwin> where can I download the minimal iso for installation?
[13:37] <popey> !mini | rexwin
[13:39] <ioria> rexwin, for what release ?
[13:39] <rexwin> 18
[13:39] <mgedmin> ! YY.MM
[13:40] <ioria> rexwin, so check the link posted above
[14:08] <Iarla> I'm getting an error running electron on my project "failed to install correctly" https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NddwzVrkyg/ has anyone seen this before? I'm following an Ubuntu-based tutorial for Electron here: https://www.techomoro.com/building-a-simple-hello-world-app-in-electron/
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> !alsi | Iarla: You may want to try asking in a development channel. You can try
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | Iarla: You may want to try asking in a development channel. You can try
[14:10] <Iarla> thanks, will do!
[14:20] <cumipilek88> teset
[14:46] <ufk_> hi! :) i'm on ubuntu 19.10 and bash code completion doesn't work for anything. any ideas ?
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> ufk_: How are you trying to use bash completion? by default it only works for file paths
[15:10] <hans__> if i run `sudo apt install ffmpeg` on 18.04, will i get ffmpeg or libav? (may sound like a stupid question but there was a huge fight that created libav, and some Debian maintainers was on team libav, and for some time made the `ffmpeg` package install libav, and a make a fake ffmpeg binary stating `ffmpeg is deprecated`, idk if 18.04 was affected by that bs or not)
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> hans__: You will get ffmpeg
[15:11] <hans__> thanks
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg is not deprecated
[15:13] <hans__> BluesKaj, it never was, but the libav team which was responsible for the debian ffmpeg package maintainership, abused their position to promote libav and falsely claim that ffmpeg was deprecated
[15:14] <hans__> i think it was around debian 8, don't know for sure tho
[15:15] <hans__> (and Ubuntu inherit a lot of debian packages, given that it's based on Debian)
[15:15] <BluesKaj> hans__,  yeah, can't always believe what you hear on Linux about popular apps
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> hans__: A little web searching returns this: https://lwn.net/Articles/650495/
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> hans__: And this: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/11/ffmpeg-returns-to-official-ubuntu.html
[15:21] <doug16k> wow, I can't even find avconv. I could have sworn it was there
[15:22] <doug16k> did it disappear?
[15:22] <ufk_> pragmaticenigma, ahh so how do I enable bash-completion for... everything? :)
[15:24] <doug16k> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/avconv.1.html ???
[15:24] <doug16k> must have been removed since "precise", whatever that nonsense means
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: avconv and libav features were merged back into ffmpeg
[15:24] <leftist> anyone having issues with the .04 to .10 upgrade?
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> !YY.MM | leftist
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> ufk_: There is no "everything" ... What specifically are you trying to do?
[15:26] <ufk_> ok so systemd bash-completion :) so systemctl restart bla<TAB> will complete me
[15:28] <doug16k> ls /usr/share/bash-completion/completions
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: If you're attempting to help. You need to provide instructions and explain what you're trying to get them to do. Telling them where a random file is on their system isn't really helping.
[15:29] <doug16k> random eh?
[15:30] <doug16k> clears up some of the mystery doesn't it?
[15:30] <doug16k> i.e., completions aren't magic and the earlier assertion that only paths complete was false
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: without context, it appears random... and the question at hand isn't where bash completion lives as much as why it's not working for ufk_ as they expect it
[15:32] <doug16k> pragmaticenigma, ok, can you tell us how to "enable" tab completions
[15:34] <doug16k> it was a complete mystery to me until someone pointed out that directory I mentioned
[15:35] <doug16k> but sure, feel free to shoo people away
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: please, only ubuntu issues here
[15:36] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know how I can troubleshoot / debug / actively change the gdm3.css?
[15:36] <cluelessperson> instead of having to restart to see changes?
[15:36] <cluelessperson> I'd like to edit it in real time.
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> ufk_: Does completion work for something like "apt in<TAB>" ??
[15:37] <doug16k> pragmaticenigma, I didn't realize you were the dictator of what can be said and in what way
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> doug16k: stop please, move that to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: Perhaps instead of making rash assumption, think that maybe my silence is because I'm attempting to find the correct and most complete answer I can to something that I'm not very familiar with. Instead of spending so much effort on your trolling efforts, you could be doing the same. Instead of driving people away with your attack messages directed at a member of the community that is trying their best to help someone.
[15:49] <Genius290IQ> ive been trying to find a command or a script that would upgrade my U untu to desktop
[15:49] <Genius290IQ> my Ubuntu desktop The newest version of windows 10. I cant seem to find the script. can someone provide me with a one line command?
[15:50] <Genius290IQ> *** Who the newest version of windows 10.
[15:51] <Habbie> Genius290IQ, if you want help upgrading windows, ask in ##windows :)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> WSL perhaps ?
[16:00] <ryuo> either way this isn't an "how do i upgrade windows" channel.
[16:01] <Genius290IQ> no, I was trying to upgrade Ubuntu to the newest version of windows 10. I just need the Linux command to be able to do that.
[16:01] <Genius290IQ> looking for a single command or script.
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Genius290IQ: You can't upgrade Ubuntu to Windows. You download the Windows ISO image from Microsoft and follow their instructions for installation
[16:02] <BluesKaj> you can't
[16:02] <Genius290IQ> ohhh ok. what about apt-get update?
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> Genius290IQ: There is no method for handling anything Windows related with Ubuntu
[16:05] <BluesKaj> !OS | Genius290IQ
[16:07] <BluesKaj> Genius290IQ,  do you know what an Operating Sysem is ? google is your friend
[16:08] <BluesKaj> System even
[16:11] <_KaszpiR_> Genius290IQ unless you mean you have ubuntu server (non desktop version) and want to upgrade it to destkop
[16:12] <_KaszpiR_> such as with unity/xfce/kde window manager
[16:13] <Genius290IQ> well no I have the desktop version of Ubuntu, but I keep getting hacked. it was explained to me that this is extremely common on Linux systems. One guy went as far as saying that so far every Linux system he had has been hacked at one point or another. am I understanding this is extremely rare on windows 10.. so I was hoping to solve this issue. on the other hand Im being told that windows 10
[16:13] <Genius290IQ> can get viruses which could be almost as damaging.
[16:14] <ryuo> ... what makes you think you're getting hacked?
[16:15] <ryuo> sounds like a lot of FUD to me. i usually only see attempts against my servers.
[16:15] <Genius290IQ> additional users are being created. From time to time my root password gets changed. The Web server I had had a whole bunch of files changed that said "you have been hacked by Mohammed!!"
[16:16] <ryuo> err... is your password weak?
[16:16] <ryuo> it sounds like something happening from bad security practices.
[16:16] <ryuo> then again, ubuntu doesn't have a root password out of the box.
[16:18] <_KaszpiR_> sounds more like you got a local web server with incorrect permissions or for example installed apache + mod_mime_magic and you got some webapp installed and improperly configured
[16:18] <_KaszpiR_> which is exploitable
[16:18] <_KaszpiR_> or using default passwords
[16:19] <DArqueBishop> Or he's a troll.
[17:09] <RoseBus> hi
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> welcome RoseBus how can we help you?
[17:54] <stooj> Is there any reason why the fractional scaling gui widgets won't show up in the Gnome Displays dialog? The feature has been enabled via `gsettings`, and the machine has been rebooted.
[17:55] <stooj> Are there limitations with some gfx drivers or anything?
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> stooj: Can you be more specific? are you experiencing an issue currently?
[18:09] <stooj> Unfortunately, this is second-hand info from my boss.
[18:10] <stooj> They followed this tutorial: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/enable-fractional-scaling-ubuntu-19-04
[18:10] <stooj> And have confirmed the change by running `gsettings get ...` to check the value was set
[18:11] <stooj> Running Gnome 3.32.1 and they've restarted their machine.
[18:11] <stooj> But the scale widget only shows 100/200%
[18:12] <stooj> I'm asking to see if there's some known thing like "Oh, that doesn't work on Nvidia", or "modeset needs to be 1" or something that my ddg-foo is failing to uncover.
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> stooj: What version of Ubuntu are they running?
[18:17] <stooj> pragmaticenigma: 19.04
[18:18] <stooj> No out of channel Gnome or anything, just the plain old repo version
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> stooj: The feature the article you're referring to is not related to graphics drivers. Also, you should note in the article it states the feature is experimental and may not work for everyone. If the feature is not appearing in the control panel after tweaking the setting, that means something deeper inside of Gnome is preventing the feature from activating. Since the feature is experimental, there is no documentation that I can
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> find on it. So it's hard to support that at this time.
[18:21] <stooj> pragmaticenigma: Thanks for looking anyway; I just wondered if there was some well-known blocker
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> stooj: In this case, the blocker is that it is an "in development" feature and only the Gnome developers would have the answer
[18:23] <stooj> Grand. Thanks again
[18:24] <ioria> stooj, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1826550
[18:43] <Devtron> If i want to want to setup a ubuntu server, and I want users to install software, programs, kernal updates and whatever, the ONLY thing i want to limint them from doing is create new user accounts, is there a way to do this ?
[18:44] <stooj> ioria: Ooh. That looked promising, but there's only a single monitor
[18:46] <ioria> stooj, 1) you see the cmd is different for wayland and xorg; did you run the right one ? 2) have you tried to set the scale via cli , with xrandr i mean ?
[18:47] <vlt> Devtron: Well, technically, if you grant someone permission to even replace your kernel all bets are off.
[18:47] <ioria> Devtron, i guess you need to manipulate /etc/sudoers
[18:49] <vlt> Devtron: But running their own kernel easily lets any user skip rules like sudoers.
[18:50] <Devtron> what about then just apt-get updates  and so on
[18:53] <ioria> Devtron, same, you need to manipulate /etc/sudoers
[19:12] <lordcirth_> Devtron, letting them run only apt and apt-get should do. But note this is an "keeping honest people honest" kind of security. There will be holes for sufficiently clever/motivated users.
[19:13] <lordcirth_> Devtron, alternatively, have you considered giving them each an unprivileged container, or even a shared one?
[19:35] <Devtron> lordcirth_ well there is the keep the people honest about it so just changing sudoers will have to do
[19:53] <rodrigoty23> is gimp 2.10.14 on the ubuntu repos?
[19:53] <sarnold> rodrigoty23: the versions of gimp in the different releases https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp
[19:54] <sarnold> focal will get 2.10.12 perhaps within a week or so, assuming the tests are passing
[19:55] <rodrigoty23> sarnold, what version of gimp do you got?
[19:55] <sarnold> well, I've not bothered installing gimp, so none :)
[19:55] <rodrigoty23> sarnold, are you always this blissful?
[19:56] <sarnold> but I'm on disco, so if I installed it, I'd get 2.10.8-2
[19:56] <sarnold> rodrigoty23: oh yeah :) you gotta be happy to make it through life
[19:56] <ioria> rodrigoty23, there is a flatpak for .14
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> rodrigoty23: To get the latest versions you can install flatpak or snap versions. The repositories strive for stability, so there version may lag behind the developers' released versions
[19:58] <indoorcat> my computer shut down and my laptop screen turned upside down, I use an external monitor and that is normal right side up
[19:58] <indoorcat> how do you flip this image?
[19:58] <gh00p> Hiya. If I'm running nginx and php-fpm with multiple virtualhosts, can I recycle the same unix socket for each virtualhost, or should I create a new socket for each one in /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/ ? And if the unix socket *can* be recycled, what might be the benefit of having multiple sockets?
[19:58] <sarnold> indoorcat: xrandr can do that
[19:59] <ws2k3> my ubuntu boot hangs on Starting to flush journal to persistent storage. i just cloned it to another disk
[20:00] <indoorcat> is xrander a person in here? it's weird I got a mirror image of my mouse and it is confusing witch one works
[20:00] <lordcirth_> indoorcat, no, xrandr is a command line tool for handling displays
[20:00] <sarnold> xrandr is a command line program that knows how to handle displays
[20:01] <indoorcat> i'm just diving into python basics, I was utilizing the second monitor for my workspace in treehouse
[20:01] <indoorcat> can someone help?
[20:01] <indoorcat> i think someone hacked me
[20:02] <Devtron> what are the indications
[20:02] <indoorcat> had my vpn on
[20:04] <indoorcat_> hello
[20:04] <sarnold> wb indoorcat_, the last we saw was < indoorcat> had my vpn on
[20:05] <indoorcat_> can somone help? why did my image flip upside down and why is my mouse mirrored?
[20:05] <akk> indoorcat: xrandr --help gives you a list of options; you'll probably want something like  xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode auto --rotate inverted
[20:05] <oerheks> indoorcat_, so tell us what did you do?
[20:05] <akk> depending on what monitor you're using, whether it's rotated or mirrored, etc.
[20:06] <indoorcat_> do I type it in terminal?
[20:06] <akk> yes
[20:06] <akk> I don't know if there's a gui front-end to xrandr, I've only used it from the commandline.
[20:07] <akk> xrandr with no arguments will tell you all the displays it sees connected, and what resolutions they support.
[20:07] <akk> (if you're not sure whether it's HDMI-1 or what)
[20:08] <ioria> akk, 'arandr' is a visual front end for XRandR
[20:08] <ws2k3> i have an ubuntu 18.04 machine but it seems its not reading the /etc/networking/interfaces what can i do?
[20:11] <indoorcat_> i don't know what i'm doing in randr
[20:11] <indoorcat_> why did the monitor flip upside down?
[20:12] <lordcirth_> ws2k3, 18.04 networking should be configured in /etc/netplan/
[20:12] <lordcirth_> !netplan
[20:12] <akk> ws2k3: Usually ubuntu uses networkmanager, not /etc/network/interfaces
[20:13] <akk> (more's the pity)
[20:14] <akk> indoorcat_: No idea why, maybe someone snuck onto your machine and did that to freak you out.
[20:14] <akk> It is a common joke to play on people in computer labs and other group situations, I've heard.
[20:15] <indoorcat_> how do I fix it
[20:15] <akk> indoorcat_: See my suggestion above.
[20:15] <indoorcat_> the clock bar isn't even at the bottom it's missing
[20:15] <akk> indoorcat_: or try ioria's suggestion of 'arandr'
[20:16] <ioria> he probably has a gyroscope chip
[20:17] <oerheks> vpn disrupted gyroscope :-D
[20:19] <darkfurry> hi all ! can someone help me ? i want to update to the latest kernel and my gpg signature fails. what can I do ?
[20:19] <sarnold> darkfurry: can you pastebin the error you're getting?
[20:20] <darkfurry> I'm new on this . can you explain pastebin ?
[20:20] <oerheks> !paste
[20:20] <oerheks> on what ubuntu version, and what 'latest kernel' ?
[20:21] <sarnold> darkfurry: sure :) to ovoid channel floods, it's nice to send ouputs of three or more lines to a pastebin site, and then share just the link to the site with us https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:21] <indoorcat_> there's no rotation setting in displays 18.04?
[20:21] <darkfurry> ubuntu 19.10 and the kernel I want to update is 5.3.8
[20:22] <ioria> indoorcat_, https://i.stack.imgur.com/cS3gE.png
[20:22] <lordcirth_> !info linux-generic eoan
[20:22] <oerheks> from mainline?
[20:22] <lordcirth_> Doesn't seem like 5.3.8 has landed in 19.10 yet?
[20:23] <indoorcat_> that does nothing
[20:23] <darkfurry> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PBTJyvfcnd/
[20:23] <lordcirth_> darkfurry, why do you want 5.3.8?
[20:24] <sarnold> it's usually better to check the linux source package page for versions https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[20:24] <oerheks> oh not even from the mainline repo .. not supported
[20:24] <sarnold> this shows 5.3.0-18.19 in the eoan release
[20:24] <darkfurry> I think someone has tempered my sistem :(
[20:24] <sarnold> and 5.3.0-19.20 in security, updates
[20:24] <lordcirth_> darkfurry, why would you think that?
[20:24] <sarnold> and 5.3.0-21.22 in proposed
[20:24] <oerheks> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ these newer builds work, but are just for testng, not sure why you need 5.3.8 ...
[20:25] <darkfurry> coz I can't verify any sha even in windows 10 using kleopatra and even in unix using ubuntu
[20:25] <darkfurry> the signature always fails
[20:25] <lordcirth_> darkfurry, you can't verify that signature because you don't have the matching public key trusted.
[20:25] <ioria> darkfurry, https://www.kernel.org/signature.html
[20:25] <lordcirth_> darkfurry, but regardless, you shouldn't be installing unsupported kernels manually.
[20:25] <oerheks> oh boy
[20:26] <darkfurry> I want to compile the kernel from sources , try to learn UNIX
[20:26] <lordcirth_> darkfurry, Ok. you should probably install Virtualbox and do it in a VM, then
[20:27] <darkfurry> oky-doky thank you !
[20:37] <indoorcat_> xrandr is not doing anything
[20:37] <indoorcat_> there's no rotate in settings?
[20:37] <indoorcat_> in 18.04
[20:38] <akk> indoorcat_: 'xrandr --help | grep rotate' prints nothing?
[20:39]  * akk has never actually used rotate, but was under the impression it had been in xrandr all along, hence the r-and-r name
[20:39] <sarnold> yes :)
[20:40] <indoorcat_> how do you type the pipe command
[20:40] <indoorcat_> i don't see it on my keyboard
[20:41] <sarnold> on my keyboard it's shifted \
[20:42] <akk> On my US keyboard it's above ] which is above the left end of Enter. On other keyboards, I can't help.
[20:42] <akk> oh, right, sorry, shifted \ not ]
[20:43] <indoorcat_> I don't know what my built in display is called and what acual command will rotate it
[20:43] <indoorcat_> i tried this
[20:43] <sarnold> running xrandr without arguments will tell you what the display is called
[20:44] <indoorcat_>  xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate normal
[20:44] <indoorcat_> nothing happend
[20:44] <indoorcat_> i'm guessing it is called eDP-1-1
[20:44] <ioria> you don't need to guess
[20:44] <FreeBDSM> hello, how to properly update nvidia driver from 430 to 440?
[20:45] <FreeBDSM> they seem to be different packages
[20:45] <akk> Right, xrandr with no arguments will tell you what display(s) are connected.
[20:45] <akk> Also try rotating somthing like left or right, see if it changes anything.
[20:45] <indoorcat_> i'm confused, it's a lot of information
[20:46] <ioria> indoorcat_, step by step .... don't worry
[20:46] <indoorcat_> it is called eDP-1-1
[20:46] <indoorcat_> ok
[20:46] <akk> indoorcat_: Just take a deep breath and don't panic, and read through it, and you'll see that it's actually pretty simple, a list of displays and for each display, a list of resolutions they support.
[20:46] <indoorcat_> the one called hdmi is my external monitor
[20:46] <oerheks> FreeBDSM, maybe the driver ppa gives 440 for your ubuntu version https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:47] <indoorcat_> it is called eDP-1-1
[20:47] <indoorcat_> how do I rotate it back
[20:48] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: there's no problem to obtain the package, I'm asking about the proper way of switching between packages: should I install new one and then delete the older one? or should I delete the older one first and then install the newer one? should I reboot between these steps?
[20:48] <oerheks> FreeBDSM, if you would add that ppa, just update and newer version will be installed and activated
[20:49] <oerheks> and you can reverse packages to the original ones with purge ppa
[20:50] <oerheks> make sure you are up2date: sudo apt dist-upgrade
[20:50] <FreeBDSM> I use http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu
[20:50] <FreeBDSM> it looks like it is exactly that ppa
[20:51] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: updating doesn't switch 430->440
[20:51] <FreeBDSM> they are independent packages
[20:53] <FreeBDSM> nvm, should've just tried to manually install nvidia-driver-440
[20:53] <sarnold> indoorcat_: try xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate inverted   or xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate right   or xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate left  etc..
[20:53] <ikonia> could someone on 19.04 and 19.10 just verify the default ntp client installed, is it ntp or chrony
[20:53] <ikonia> not got a box to hand but want to test something
[20:55] <oerheks>  18.04 systemctl status chronyd   ... Unit chronyd.service could not be found.
[20:55] <ikonia> yeah, got 18.04
[20:55] <ikonia> 19.04 and 19.10 I'm missing here
[20:55] <oerheks> firing up 19.10 ..
[20:56] <ikonia> amazing, thank you
[20:57] <oerheks> nope, not as standard, chrony
[20:57] <ikonia> thanks
[20:57] <ikonia> foiled my plans
[20:58] <ikonia> appreciated the check oerheks
[20:59] <indoorcat_> xrandr -o normal doesnt do anything
[20:59] <indoorcat_> i unplugged the other mintor
[20:59] <indoorcat_> monitor
[20:59] <oerheks> ikonia, timedatectl status  # gives you more info
[20:59] <jackie12345> I just upgraded to 19.10 from 19.04. I have a fake monitor dongle plugged into my HDMI port which worked perfectly before, allowing me to use nomachine to connect to the fake display and use that for controlling machine where necessary. nomachine cant find the display anymore and xrandr --query returns nothing
[21:03] <PwnOnMahMind> Hit:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan InReleaseErr:2 https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com eoan InRelease  403  Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 443]Reading package lists... DoneE: Failed to fetch https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/dists/eoan/InRelease  403  Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 443]E: The repository
[21:03] <PwnOnMahMind> 'https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com eoan InRelease' is not signed.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[21:03] <PwnOnMahMind> anyway to fix this, I've tried adding [trusted=yes] to the source, but same error.
[21:03] <ikonia> talk to the rpeo owner
[21:03] <sarnold> indoorcat_: did you have any luck with 'inverted' or 'right' or 'left'?
[21:03] <ikonia> repo
[21:04] <sarnold> ikonia: for main, we switched from ntpd to chrony but I *think* systemd-timesyncd may be a default choice for some situations..
[21:04] <indoorcat_> sarnold, yea it flipped the external monitor though
[21:05] <ikonia> sarnold: love to hear more about that
[21:05] <indoorcat_> how do i use the correct monitor, i unplugged it
[21:05] <indoorcat_> you think a reboot with the external monitor unplugged would work?
[21:06] <indoorcat_> how do i rotate by name of monitor
[21:06] <sarnold> indoorcat_: were you able to find some combinations that eventually restored your monitor?
[21:06] <oerheks> good story https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/NTP.html
[21:06] <indoorcat_> i'm lazy thats why i'm asking
[21:06] <oerheks> Since Ubuntu 16.04 timedatectl / timesyncd (which are part of systemd) replace most of ntpdate / ntp.
[21:06] <sarnold> ikonia: our friends at the linux foundation paid for an audit of ntpd, ntpsec, and chrony, and the auditors really preferred chrony codebase https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/2017/09/cii-audit-identifies-secure-ntp-implementation/
[21:07] <sarnold> ikonia: after they got the results, they asked us to consider switching to chrony; I vastly preferred the chrony codebase too, and figured that the handful of features that ntpd offered over chrony weren't important enough to keep ntpd in main
[21:07] <chris11> I'm on ubuntu 18. I'm wanting to share python3.8 venvs between users. Where should venv folders go?
[21:07] <ikonia> sarnold: yeah, the difference between ntp and chrony is well documented (the audit was a great read too) sarnold I'm interested in as you said, main hosts chrony, but as oerheks link points out, actually it's defaulting to systemd
[21:08] <tomreyn> !xx.yy | chris11
[21:08] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | chris11
[21:09] <indoorcat_>  xrandr eDP-1-1 -o normal
[21:09] <indoorcat_> xrandr: unrecognized option 'eDP-1-1'
[21:09] <indoorcat_> Try 'xrandr --help' for more information.
[21:09] <indoorcat_> indoorcat@calmklown:~$ xrandr -o eDP-1-1 normal
[21:09] <indoorcat_> xrandr: -o: invalid argument 'eDP-1-1'
[21:09] <indoorcat_> Try 'xrandr --help' for more information.
[21:09] <tomreyn> !paste | indoorcat_
[21:11] <sarnold> indoorcat_: rather than guessing at the commands to run, why not use the commands I suggested 20 minutes ago? "try xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate inverted   or xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate right   or xrandr --output eDP-1-1 --rotate left  etc.."
[21:11] <akk> indoorcat_: What does xrandr | grep -w connected say? I'm curious where that eDP-1-1 comes from, because on my system monitor names never have that extra -1.
[21:12] <sarnold> akk: the extra -1 in my experience come from using a dock
[21:12] <akk> (and yeah, agree with sarnold, I suggested those commands too)
[21:12] <akk> sarnold: Interesting. I'm using a dock (generic usb-c hub type) but I don't get any extra -1.
[21:13] <sarnold> akk: hmm. the docks I tried both had multiple video outputs.. does yours have just one video output or multiple?
[21:14] <akk> sarnold: Mine has two HDMI and one VGA.
[21:15] <akk> (but I'm only using one HDMI)
[21:15] <indoorcat_> inverted fixed it ubottu
[21:15] <sarnold> akk: hah, crazy. there's something fun in finding my guesses are 100% wrong sometimes. :)
[21:15] <indoorcat_> normal puts it upsidedown
[21:15] <akk> sarnold: Probably not 100%, maybe some docks do, some don't.
[21:15] <tomreyn> chris11: basically, just pick any location which seems to make sense to share access at. that's probably not in /home, but maybe somewhere below /var, mabye somewhere in /var/local or /var/opt/ ?
[21:15] <indoorcat_> thanks
[21:16] <chris11> I put a venvs folder  on the same level as home and bin. var might be better though.
[21:16] <akk> sarnold: Device naming is so random in linux anyway. Wasn't that long ago I had to rewrite all my monitor aliases when xrandr switched from HDMI1 to HDMI-1 etc ...
[21:17] <sarnold> akk: oh jeeze :)
[21:17] <sarnold> indoorcat_: woot
[21:17] <indoorcat_> my mouse is still upside down
[21:17] <akk> sarnold: so now I have a more flexible python function that parses xrandr output and figures out all the connected monitors.
[21:17] <indoorcat_> im gonna reboot
[21:18] <akk> Probably a good idea.
[21:18] <sarnold> *mouse* is still upside down?? weird :)
[21:19] <akk> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1061403/upside-down-mouse-cursor-and-inverted-position-on-ubuntu-18-04 suggests iio-sensor-proxy may do things like this.
[21:20] <tomreyn> chris11: i guess this is also fine, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9506281/sharing-python-virtualenv-environments has ye another suggestion
[21:20] <sarnold> akk: nice nice. I was using autoxrandr at some point, and pretty happy with it, but when I had some power fluctuation problems with my previous setup, autoxrandr would go *insane* trying to swap things around and add easily twenty seconds to the system getting its mind back together
[21:20] <indoorcat> i rebooted and it went upside down again
[21:20] <chris11> thanks.
[21:20] <indoorcat> i fixed it but the mouse is upsidedown
[21:21] <akk> indoorcat: Did you see the link I posted?https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9506281/sharing-python-virtualenv-environments suggests uninstalling iio-sensor-proxy
[21:21] <sarnold> akk: oh wow. nice find.
[21:21] <akk> (I just googled linux mouse upside down)
[21:21] <akk> There are other hits too, but the first hit looked pretty relevant.
[21:22] <indoorcat> still everytime I reboot I have to flip my monitor, think I need a fresh install
[21:23] <sarnold> try this: sudo apt remove iio-sensor-proxy
[21:24] <chris11> my python venv is screwy. which pip/pip3 points towards the venv but pip install doesn't install the library in the venv. Do I need any python env variables set?
[21:25] <tomreyn> /join #python
[21:25] <chris11> ok
[21:26] <akk> I've had that problem too, where sometimes it installs in ~/.local or somewhere, but I don't know the solution.
[21:27] <akk> Sometimes I think I should just chmod 000 ~/.local so programs will stop putting stuff there that shouldn't be.
[21:35] <indoorcat_> sarnold you there? are my private messages not working? nobody is messaging me back
[21:36] <akk> Many people consider PMs rude if you don't know someone, and won't answer. (I don't know if this channel has a policy on that.)
[21:37] <sarnold> indoorcat_: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8a99873b/
[21:37] <guntbert> !pm | indoorcat_
[21:38] <chris11> yeah, placing my venv in ~/ worked, so I think I'm just going to not share it.
[22:01] <Phruis> what system does linux use to save the system state when putting the computer into hibernation?
[22:17] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis, suspend-to-disk saves the working state to a single file on the primary disk. Or could you be more specific about what you mean by "system" ?
[22:20] <Phruis> pragmaticenigma, i was curious to see the code
[22:22] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis, That's not something that could be answered in a support channel. You might want to check out the development channel: #ubuntu-devel
[22:23] <Phruis> pragmaticenigma, thanks
[22:50] <MxMax> Phruis, that sounds like responsibility of the kernel, maybe take a look at linux source code? looks like hibernate.c is taking care of hibernation
[22:50] <MxMax> Phruis, https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/kernel/power/hibernate.c
[23:17] <Phruis> MxMax thanks