[00:00] <nib_blockhead> Thanks! I found #windows-wsl too, but I’ll head over there to see if someone there has more familiarity.
[00:01] <dax> oh huh, didn't know about that one. ty
[00:12] <signofzeta> Yes, I did the other day, for a customer.  It has some limitations (like not having /dev nodes for use, at least in WSL1), but it's good for many people.  Good luck in the proper channel!
[00:16] <nib_blockhead> WSL2 seems to be pretty decent, but I’m not expert to say otherwise
[00:19] <k_sze> WSL2 is awesome because it's actually a VM with a proper kernel running on Microsoft's hypervisor.
[00:20] <k_sze> Basically the only downside is that you can no longer have process-level interaction between Ubuntu and Windows.
[00:47] <FreeBDSM> xdotool sucks
[00:59] <Hash> Hello
[00:59] <Hash> Is there a way to always have the latest firefox in ubuntu 20 without manually getting the .tar file
[00:59] <Hash> Like a repository of it? maybe?
[01:00] <Hash> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa Is this it?
[01:00] <Hash> mmm no
[01:01] <Hash> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next this one
[01:06] <Hash> Yup This is it. Firefox dev edition is exact version as this
[01:07] <Hash> latest on the main firefox site is 83.0 ok cool. thanks anyway
[01:14] <signofzeta> second:  my Firefox is also 83.0 (Ubuntu 20.10)
[01:14] <matsaman> third: I missed 'first'
[01:31] <MrCollins> hello everyone
[01:33] <matsaman> hi MrCollins
[01:42] <alex3321> hello i can't  use my tplink tl8200nd on ubuntu 20.10
[01:46] <rooferdave> Having trouble understanding how to generate or aquire the secret key for each JWT for this setup "https://github.com/MycroftAI/selene-backend", specificly the  JWT_ACCESS_SECRET=<access secret> of the sso_api.service fil under "single sign on API
[01:49] <sarnold> rooferdave: if I'm reading this correctly, these are secrets that you generate yourself
[01:49] <alex3321> any1?
[01:49] <alex3321> for wifi usb adapter
[01:49] <sarnold> alex3321: you'll probably need to give more details, like lsbusb output, dmesg output, error messages from journalctl, etc
[01:50] <alex3321> i can see network but it doesn't accept the password
[01:51] <alex3321> i installed mange driver and im using another usb wifi adapter,is 8200nd compatible with mange driver?
[01:52] <sarnold> rooferdave: without any advice from them about it, try this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=- bs=1024 count=1 | sha256sum
[01:53] <sarnold> rooferdave: that'll generate a random 256 bit long blob you can use as a key value; see if it gives you any error messages when you use it
[01:55] <rooferdave> sarnold.........will this help me....... trying to find .....may take a min.
[01:56] <rooferdave> sarnold: this "https://github.com/michelp/pgjwt"
[01:58] <sarnold> rooferdave: these are full-blown jwt tokens, I think this is a bit more than this config file is asking for
[01:58] <rooferdave> II may be in over my head wouldnt be the first time.
[01:58] <sarnold> rooferdave: (I could of course be wrong :)
[02:01] <rooferdave> I've been Googling for quite some time and I can't come up with any type of command to create one
[02:01] <rooferdave> any suggestions on maybe another area on the server I could ask
[02:02] <alex3321> does mange driver works with tplink 8200nd?
[02:03] <rooferdave> maybe an area for web Developers possibly
[02:06] <sarnold> rooferdave: seriously, I'd just start by stuffing in a big blog of random data
[02:06] <sarnold> rooferdave: dd if=/dev/urandom of=- bs=1024 count=1 | sha256sum
[02:07] <rooferdave> nothing to lose but it script that won't complete ill try
[02:36] <icebagz> hi. new to linux.  got a vps with ubuntu 20.04 to learn with.  i wanted to set it up to be able to RDP into from my windows laptop.  i followed instructions online from several sources but am having issues. first i installed from root, but later removed and purged, created a sudo user and installed xubuntu-desktop (xfce light) and xrdp through the sudoer account.  one of the issues i had earlier
[02:36] <icebagz> on was an initramfs resume error that required me to put a hard uuid in the resume file instead of /dev/sda2 for the swap. - then after setting up xrdp - i can rdp into the account from the windows rdp, but after the login screen for password, it loses/closes connection.  the xrdp status returns 'xrdp.service: Can't open PID file /run/xrdp/xrdp.pid (yet?) after start: Operation not permitted'
[02:36] <icebagz> - im not sure what to do from this point.  any ideas?
[02:38] <Projectui> How does one configure php to reach out of webroot / virtual host (/var/www/somedomain.application/subfolder) to access and write to a file storage located /media/folder/filestore?
[02:39] <Projectui> I have a symbolic link in the folder pointing to the other folder. attempted to use alias in the conf and php_admin_value open_basedir. no avail
[02:41] <leftyfb> Projectui: go the other way. Move the file into your webroot and link it to your media folder
[02:42] <leftyfb> icebagz: do you really need RDP? What about SSH instead? If you want to learn linux, the terminal is the best way, not the desktop.
[02:44] <Projectui> I want to use the media folder to store files that I upload through the web application. I'm not following what you are saying. Do i need to link the /var/www/somedomain.application/subfolder into my media folder instead?
[02:49] <leftyfb> Projectui: Mount your media drive to the web folder then. Or bind mount a folder from the media drive to a media folder in the webroot
[02:53] <Projectui> leftyfb: I've not heard of bind mounting before.
[03:02] <icebagz> i figured lightweight desktop would be a more familiar way to navigate around.  you still open a CLI from the desktop to do most things right? so yea i could manage without it..  even with GUI and xrdp i'd still be able to ssh in as well i thought.
[03:04] <sarnold> icebagz: yeah, i3 is quite popular
[03:05] <conr> best mac vnc client to a ubuntu box... go!
[03:07] <leftyfb> conr: you want #apple for recommendations for mac software. This is an Ubuntu support channel
[03:07] <conr> k
[03:21] <kryten> ...Or ##apple!
[03:24] <matsaman> probably #macosx
[03:31] <icebagz> i'd rather get it working tho.
[04:02] <Blade-Runner> anyone ever experienced this?
[04:02] <Blade-Runner> I had a friend who phoned me for help with a Ubuntu configuration problem, so I gave instructions to download and run a remote app and apply a temporary password to let me in.
[04:02] <Blade-Runner> temporary password > orangesocks92 Your password is not secure enough.
[04:03] <Blade-Runner> Fair enough, that's a terrible password, though it's only for one-time use. Ok, let's get some caps in there:
[04:03] <Blade-Runner> > OrangeSocks92 Your password is not secure enough.
[04:03] <Blade-Runner> No problem. Let's add some symbols: > Orange(Socks)92* Your password is not secure enough
[04:04] <Blade-Runner> What? Really? Okay, maybe dictionary words are banned, let's go random: > fJ9d1Px0sN Your password is not secure enough
[04:04] <Blade-Runner> Seriously?? All right, symbols too: > f"J9d1(Px0s>N Your password is not secure enough
[04:05] <Blade-Runner> WHAT KIND OF PASSWORD DO YOU WANT?
[04:05] <Blade-Runner> > b̶̢̯̞̫͔͉̱̳̹̝̳̻͓̙̗̣͞ͅ(̴̙̗̙͉̞͚̯̩͞"͟͠҉̻̼̝̗̺̜̟͈̞͖͓̫̺̭̥j̢̛̟̩͚̯͡s̷̶̼͇̮̺̼̰͉̘͔̩͎̹͘B̷̵̰̝̟̖͉̕͢͟ͅŞ҉̖̯͇̬̳̮̟͕̲͙̘͡ͅo̵̴̧͔̯̖̙̗͉͚̕l͇̣͍̻̗̦͎͇͓̗̲̟̙͍͇̣̩͢͝j̴͡҉̦̱̤̬̱̣͍͙̯͕̖̯̳̕͢k̵̹̻̘̘̦̭͓̭̱̜̩͇̜͜͠d̴͖̜̙͇͙͓͉̞͈͓̳̤͔̗͟  Your password is not secure enough
[04:05] <Blade-Runner> ugh
[04:12] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: what does this have to do with ubuntu support?
[04:12] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: what remote software did you have them download?
[04:13] <Blade-Runner> i  was using a ubuntu os and a ubuntu app
[04:13] <Blade-Runner> but nevermind
[04:14] <leftyfb> Blade-Runner: which remote software?
[04:23] <Guest20> hi there, how does interrupt works?
[04:24] <Guest20> when i a press a key in keyboard , how linux perform desired actions
[04:28] <jmichel> The kernel is open source. You can read the source code.
[04:29] <jmichel> I think it first goes through irqbalance.
[04:30] <jmichel> Then, it's mapped given your keyboard layout configuration, and it's injected in your program through the standard input.
[04:30] <alazy> Having boot problems, stuck at grub rescue. The 'ls', and 'set' commands seem to work but that's it. 'help' isn't recognized. Where to find the list of grube rescue commands? Yes, I googled. lsmod and search don't work. And how can I know what filesystem grub should be able to load?
[04:32] <alazy> In grub rescue 'ls' shows disks (hd0) (hd1) (hd2) (fd0) (fd1) but no partitions. What's missing to enable that?
[04:33] <Bashing-om> alazy: What shows ' ls (hd0) ' ?
[04:34] <alazy> Bashing-om: (hd0): Filesystem is unknown
[04:37] <alazy>  /boot is on fd0, which is ext2
[04:37] <Bashing-om> alazy: Not looking good for the home team - ' ls (hd2) ' ? As one would expect to also see the partitions.
[04:40] <jmichel> @Guest20: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/core-api/irq/index.html
[04:41] <Guest20> jmichel sure
[04:41] <Guest20> what are software and hardware interrupts
[04:42] <alazy> ls any disk shows unknown filesystem. That's why I'm trying to figure out it is that lets grub rescue 'see' a filesystem. I mean, I assume it can see ext2/3/4 but what about xfs, jfs, f2fs, jffs, etc? How would I enable that?
[04:48] <alazy> actually, fd0 is btrfs. What filesystems can grub handle, and can I add support for one that isn't supported out-of-the box?
[04:50] <Bashing-om> alazy: The #grub channel might be best to assist you - if any are awake at this time.
[04:54] <jmichel> Interruption has been initially design for hardware. Software interrupts used to be raised by program in order to reach the OS (linux = interrupt 0x80). However, the current way to do so is now with sysenter (on x86/x86-64).
[05:27] <jwash> is there a pdf reader which has a lasso type select tool for text?
[05:30] <jmichel> I use Okular.
[05:42] <devslash> im trying to mount a samba share on ubuntu server from ubuntu desktop using the command mount -t cifs -o username=devslash //<IP_ADDRESS>/Public /home/devslash/Desktop/MyServer and after I enter the pssword it says mount error(2): No such file or directory
[05:42] <devslash> but the mount point does exist
[05:48] <devslash> nm i found out why it wasnt owrking
[07:35] <adder> i'm on xubuntu 20.04, and i have an issue with short notification sounds popping on the beginning, i've configured alsa-base.conf with this options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=N, and /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save to 0, and /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save_controller to N, but it still happens (i'm not on a laptop)
[08:23] <XATRIX> Hi, can you advice, how can i configure network via ncurses interface ?
[08:24] <XATRIX> Can i do something like, dpkg-reconfigure network ?
[08:24] <ikonia> is there an ncurses app for it ?
[08:24] <XATRIX> no idea
[08:24] <XATRIX> debian has it , as long as i know
[08:25] <ikonia> .....have a search if there is first then
[08:25] <ikonia> ok, so get the name of the package / binary
[08:25] <XATRIX> my ubuntu gets <IP_ADDRESS> ip address, but i don't know where it takes it from
[08:25] <ikonia> dhcp somewhere on your network
[08:25] <XATRIX> i've made changes in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:26] <ikonia> most likely your broadband router with that address
[08:26] <ikonia> but could be other things, lots of devices offer dhcp capability
[08:26] <ikonia> some have it on by default
[08:26] <ikonia> you will probably see where it gets the offer of an IP from in the syslog
[08:26] <XATRIX> such as http://i.imgur.com/55VELj1.png
[08:26] <XATRIX> But after restart it still gets 0.100/24
[08:27] <XATRIX> i suppose it to have 'service networking restart', but it has not
[08:29] <XATRIX> and i have n NetworkManager as well. but the sysemd-networkd proccess
[08:29] <XATRIX> maybe i can restart it via systemctl ?
[08:30] <zetheroo> Does anyone know how to get the Chrome icon to show up in the top bar in 20.04?
[08:30] <ikonia> what is controlling your network card
[08:30] <ikonia> is it systemd, is it network-manager ? is it network-manager fed by nmapplet ?
[08:30] <XATRIX> i'd also like to know
[08:31] <XATRIX> i  don't see any process of NM
[08:31] <ikonia> how did you set it up ?
[08:31] <b100s> hi2all; is it possible to install on ubuntu another, not default, version of systemd?
[08:31] <XATRIX> ikonia: http://i.imgur.com/PXZ81Hl.png
[08:31] <ikonia> b100s: not in the real world
[08:32] <b100s> ikonia, why?
[08:32] <ikonia> XATRIX: that looks like top
[08:32] <ikonia> b100s: the installer isn't setup to deal with it and pulling systemd from a running system is a non-trivial task
[08:32] <XATRIX> yea, there's no network-manager processes, so i suggest it doesn't
[08:33] <ikonia> XATRIX: top doesn't list all processes, it lists the 'top' processes
[08:33] <ikonia> XATRIX: either way - how did you set it up
[08:33] <ikonia> XATRIX: is this a desktop or server install ?
[08:33] <XATRIX> ikonia: and wtf is that ? http://i.imgur.com/rAS8OGf.png
[08:33] <XATRIX> any idea ? never heard about
[08:33] <XATRIX> server install, no X
[08:34] <b100s> ikonia, hm, is there an option to choose distro with specific systemd on board or without it and isntall specific one?
[08:34] <ikonia> XATRIX: that's a missing socket file for something that is not setup / running
[08:34] <b100s> I need specific kernel with specific systemd for some tests
[08:34] <ikonia> XATRIX: so systemd networking is the default in a server install
[08:34] <ikonia> b100s: no
[08:35] <XATRIX> ikonia: so, what's the way to redefine the network setttings, and filnally restart it
[08:35] <ikonia> XATRIX: man systemd-networkd
[08:35] <XATRIX> got it. thanks
[08:36] <b100s> ikonia, what do you think about the following manual? https://gist.github.com/Jiab77/7df6e80804567f6f599b227cf2fafd00
[08:36] <ikonia> b100s: I think it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[08:36] <ikonia> so not for this channel
[08:37] <b100s> ikonia, the manual sais "Upgrade systemd on Ubuntu 18.04", why do you think it is not about Ubuntu? : )
[08:38] <ikonia> b100s: I think it's not supported in ubuntu
[08:38] <XATRIX> ikonia: sounds if i have to find out how to use netplan --debug apply
[08:39] <ikonia> XATRIX: yeah, that seems reasonable, I'm not a massive fan of net plan for configuring a network interface rather than a complex network
[08:41] <b100s> ikonia, can you elaborate more on it? In the manual clearly seen that it is possible. What do you mean under not supported in ubuntu?
[08:41] <ikonia> b100s: if you believe that manual, do it
[08:42] <ikonia> b100s: no-one in this channel will support that process though
[08:42] <b100s> ikonia, I came here to ask since I'm not experienced. I'm going to try it but would like to know why do you think it will not work?
[08:42] <ikonia> I didn't say it won't work
[08:42] <b100s> ikonia, then what's wrong with it?
[08:43] <ikonia> b100s: I said it's not supported by ubuntu, as ubuntu is not setup that way, and people in this channel won't support this process, if you like it - do it
[08:43] <b100s> ikonia, what does it mean ubuntu is not setup that way?
[08:43] <b100s> what is "that" ?
[08:44] <ikonia> b100s: the installer and packages do not support swapping out systemd - if you wish to do something custom and hope it works, that's fine, but this channel does not support that
[08:44] <b100s> ikonia, what do you mean under installer?
[08:44] <b100s> dpkg ?
[08:45] <ikonia> b100s: I mean the installer routine, and the packages supplied by the package manager
[08:45] <ikonia> so 'official' methods
[08:47] <b100s> About packages. Seems the systemd is just a package which I can see in `dpkg -l systemd`. So from perspective of packages, at least until now, it seems everything as noraml. Can you elaborate what do you mean "by packages supplied by the packge manager" ?
[08:47] <ikonia> b100s: you cannot swap package versions of systemd using the official ubuntu packages
[08:47] <b100s> ikonia, I've got your point. Let's dig into details
[08:48] <ikonia> no
[08:48] <ikonia> lets not
[08:48] <ikonia> it's not for this channel
[08:48] <b100s> ikonia, seems it's a pain point for you : )
[08:48] <ikonia> not at all
[08:49] <b100s> What's wrong with systemd package which I can see as a package? Can I remove it, install another on or update? Why not?
[08:49] <ikonia> no you can't because as I've said ubuntu is not designed to have those packages swapped out / version swapped
[08:50] <b100s> ikonia, maybe you want to say there is no easy way to do it or there is no package built and tested in repo for specific ubuntu release
[08:51] <ikonia> no, as I've said, there is no supported way, ubuntu is not designed to allow that to happen
[08:51] <b100s> ikonia, what do you mean it is not designed?
[08:51] <ikonia> exactly that, it's not designed
[08:51] <mort> well, I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anacron/+bug/1906617 now about my anacron issues
[08:52] <b100s> ikonia, you mean you don't know a way to do it?
[08:52] <ikonia> no, I mean exactly what I've said
[08:56] <b100s> ikonia, okay, I've got your point : ) Thank you. It seems you are very good at repeating but there is still some place to improve in explanation part
[08:56] <ikonia> the explination is clear - ubuntu is not designed for core package version changes, therefore the approach you want is not supported
[08:59] <b100s> ikonia, it might be clear for you but what you said is not clear to me taking in mind there is an manual how to do it. It means there is a definetly way(s) to do it. However they might be not the ways which ubuntu developers suppose to use or they tried and tested it, or <some other details here which you will probably replace with not designed>. What I want to know is more about "not designed" part. For example. Since ubuntu manages all soft via dpkg there is
[08:59] <b100s> no such package as systemd (which is false but I can't find better example due to lack of knowledge).
[09:00] <ikonia> b100s: as I said at the start, it is possible, just not real world possible, so you are welcome to use a manual someone has writtten, but no one will support that process (beyond the person who wrote it) and no-one will support your system after you've changed it
[09:01] <b100s> ikonia, may I ask you about what kind of support are you speaking?
[09:02] <ikonia> this channel, official ubuntu resources
[09:04] <b100s> ikonia, it's false because at least I would love to support myself or person like me in such question. So probably you have to do s/this channel/me ? Official ubuntu resources are in Reference part of the manual. It means there is support
[09:04] <b100s> ikonia, I have feeling your trying to hint something but still can't say it : )
[09:06] <ikonia> b100s: you're free to follow that guide as I've said multiple times, and if you're happy supporting yourself, fantastic
[09:06] <b100s> "not designed", "not supported", "you can't". Most likely you are right in a sense there is no official documentation which explains such case. But what is great about linux is that it allows us to do much more than explained in the official doc
[09:07] <ikonia> b100s: the official thing that says 'you can't' is when you try to do it using the official tools it will block you and say 'dependencies not met' or other such messages
[09:07] <ikonia> and you're free to ignore those warnings, if you can support yourself
[09:08] <ikonia> good luck to you
[09:08] <b100s> ikonia, thank you : )
[09:08] <b100s> ikonia, but please promise to me, you will not stop me to do it? : )
[09:09] <ikonia> how can I stop you doing anything
[09:09] <ikonia> just don't ask for help in this channel with it
[09:09] <b100s> ikonia, for example by repeating the same answer and spoil my question or prohibit me to ask questions in some places like this channel
[09:11] <ikonia> this channel does not support your situation
[09:11] <ikonia> so please don't ask
[09:11] <ikonia> but good luck to you doing it / supporting yourself, that's a great way to learn
[09:12] <b100s> ikonia, hm, I think if at leas one person are happy to discuss such question then it's okay. May I ask, are you officail representer of this channel?
[09:12] <ikonia> b100s: , no, your situation/solution is not supported in this channel
[09:13] <b100s> ikonia, if you are not official representer of this channel, may you link me to the list of topics which are not supported or only supported in this channel?
[09:13] <ikonia> b100s: yes, I am
[09:13] <deltab> b100s: you might like to try it out in a virtual machine, where if something goes wrong you don't make your machine unbootable
[09:13] <b100s> ikonia, how can I check it?
[09:14] <ikonia> the topics are ubuntu support, using official ubuntu packages / solutions
[09:14] <ikonia> deltab: great suggestoin
[09:14] <b100s> deltab, yup, it's what I'm doing now via vagrant
[09:14] <ikonia> b100s: check the links in the topics
[09:14] <b100s> ikonia, all what I'm doing is officially part of ubuntu: dpkg, systemd, etc
[09:15] <ikonia> b100s: no it's not
[09:15] <ikonia> b100s: as ubuntu is not designed for swapping out core packages
[09:15] <b100s> ikonia, may you elaborate on it?
[09:15] <ikonia> b100s: the quicker you stop trying to argue this and just accept that you need to get on with it, the quicker you'll make progress
[09:16] <deltab> there's a channel specifically for systemd, which may be a better place to discuss it
[09:18] <b100s> deltab, I will ask there as well, thank you. ikonia , feel free to ignore my questions since I've got your point, you think it's not supported
[09:18] <ikonia> b100s: please don't ask about it in this channel again
[09:18] <b100s> ikonia, but if you will be in mood to discuss more on it, I'll be happy
[09:19] <ikonia> b100s: good luck
[09:19] <ikonia> b100s: this channel is no the place to discuss it
[09:19] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with if I'm in the mood
[09:19] <b100s> using systemd of one or another version in ubuntu?
[09:19] <b100s> I think it's the best place to discuss it
[09:20] <ikonia> you're wrong
[09:20] <ikonia> as I've said, swapping versions is not supported
[09:20] <ikonia> please drop it
[10:20] <Younder> Ihave a question. I use Ubuntu 18.04 and have kept up with the latest updates but not updated to 20.04. My desktop machine has kernel version 4.15 and my server has a kenel vesion 5.4. Why does the desktop still use a older kernel?
[10:29] <Younder> The server installed a package linux-kernel-upgrade which doesn't exist for the desktop.
[10:39] <Franciman> HI
[10:41] <Franciman> how can I understand which particular kernel package I'm using on ubuntu?
[10:41] <Franciman> I want to get the sources for it
[10:43] <Younder> Franciman, well 'apt-cache search' allows you so search for a package. 'apt source <pakage<' installs the source in a sub-directory of the current directory (pwd).
[10:46] <Franciman> thanks Younder
[10:57] <mgedmin> the kernel package you're using is linux-image-$(uname -r)
[10:57] <mgedmin> apt source needs deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list, which are commented-out by default
[10:58] <mgedmin> you can uncomment them and run apt update (or check a box in the software properties gui)
[10:58] <mgedmin> or you can use an alternative tool like pull-lp-source
[10:58] <Franciman> mgedmin, ok I ran the commands (and I uncommented the deb-src lines)
[10:58] <Franciman> but I don't get the linux kernel
[10:59] <Franciman> I get some scripts that download signed stuff...
[10:59] <mgedmin> oh, is that how ubuntu kernel packages are built?  neat, I suppose, but I admit that I've never needed to look at the kernel specifically
[11:00] <Franciman> should I call the police?
[11:00] <jeremy31> Franciman: you might want linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)
[11:00] <mgedmin> the police tend to be useless
[11:00] <Franciman> where is my source code :<
[11:00] <Franciman> thanks jeremy31
[11:02] <Franciman> what is it?
[11:02] <mgedmin> Franciman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ has a "Where can I find the Ubuntu Kernel source code?"
[11:02] <Franciman> many thanks
[11:02]  * Franciman hangs the phone with the police
[11:03] <mgedmin> and ah!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/SourceCode suggests apt-get source linux-image-unsigned-$(uname -r)
[11:03] <mgedmin> yeah, I never considered how they build signed kernel packages for secureboot purposes
[11:03] <Franciman> we must always stay alert, because if we sleep, big corps like dell can revoke our rights regarding software
[11:04] <Franciman> this has never to happen
[11:07] <whitewinemix> I'm using ubuntu 20.04.01 lts with "ubuntu-ports" sources on an arm64 single board computer. How do I have to change my sources.list to get this package in version 5.12.8?: https://ubuntu.pkgs.org/20.04/ubuntu-universe-arm64/libqt5core5a_5.12.8+dfsg-0ubuntu1_arm64.deb.html
[11:30] <strk> how to konw which packages implement 'default-mta' ?
[12:15] <pm5k> Hello
[12:15] <pm5k> Am I ok to ask a quick question regarding DPKG here?
[12:19] <Deano59> pm5k: if it's Ubuntu related, yes.
[12:21] <pm5k> Yeah, Deano59 - I'm on 18.04, and I am working on some deb packaging guides, and I noticed that the typical `package/DEBIAN/control` obviously works fine with `dpkg-deb --build` as advertised, however I have seen a multitude of docs online that mingle `DEBIAN/control` and `debian/control` as if they were interchangeable, when in practice, having
[12:21] <pm5k> the control file sit in a lowercase dir does not allow packaging. So am I missing something and there IS a way to have `Debian/control` work or am I right in thinking that those docs are wrong
[12:23] <pm5k> even Debian's own documentation online and the `dpkg-deb` manpage show mostly capitalised DEBIAN, and yet at some point begin using the lowercase version. It's confusing because it implies significance, but doesn't seem to work?
[12:30] <kieto> Hi! How can I present a section of a screen in google meet or jitsi meet, from ubuntu?
[12:30] <kieto> ^in a videoconference
[12:34] <ogra> pm5k, the capitalized DEBIAN dir is a dynamically created temporary diectory tree that gets created during the build process of a deb ... othing you touch ever as a packager
[12:36] <kieto> nvm, solved it :D
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:53] <basenode> guys i woke up to my laptop dead (battery ran out) and when i try to login, it gives me a login loop
[12:55] <basenode> i tried running purge gdm3, installing it again and rebooting, but that didn't fix it
[13:02] <basenode> so moving .local didn't work
[13:15] <exonintrendo> I'm running a VM with ubuntu 20.04 cloud image and it seems like my /etc/hosts file gets reset periodically. Anyone know why that might be?
[13:21] <mgedmin> basenode: can you do a tty login (ctrl+alt+f3) and check why the gui session fails with journalctl -e?
[13:55] <basenode> hello?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> basenode: welcome, how can we help you?
[14:10] <deltab> exonintrendo: are there comments in it indicating that it's generated?
[14:17] <exonintrendo> deltab yes, I didn't even think to check. Thanks!
[14:20] <pihhan> hi. Do you know, what is required to have my own PPA enabled on launchpad?
[14:20] <ikonia> pretty sure you can just create one
[14:21] <pihhan> I created it, uploaded sources to my ppa. But it does not show anywhere
[14:21] <ikonia> you don't upload sources
[14:21] <ikonia> you need to build packages
[14:21] <ikonia> PPA serves packages
[14:22] <ikonia> you get luanchpad to do the build
[14:22] <pihhan> okay, I uploaded source package, built using debuild -S
[14:23] <pihhan> like mentioned on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[14:23] <ikonia> ok - so that's still not built
[14:23] <xiq> Hello guys, does anyone know how to tunnel only my cli command (rails server in this case) over ssh proxy?
[14:23] <pihhan> I thought it would build them
[14:24] <xiq> I've tried connect-proxy, but I just can't get it to work
[14:24] <pihhan> xiq: what do you mean exactly? how do you want to tunnel commands exactly?
[14:24] <ikonia> pihhan: can you build your package your self locally
[14:24] <ikonia> often good to verify the source pacakge is sane by building it locally
[14:24] <ikonia> (not that you have to)
[14:25] <xiq> pihhan: for example in firefox I can set a SOCKS proxy (I need a specific static IP), I want the same for my command line
[14:25] <pihhan> I did. I tried to upload both
[14:25] <ikonia> upload both ?
[14:25] <ikonia> both what
[14:25] <pihhan> binary and source packages
[14:25] <ikonia> pihhan: you can't upload binary
[14:25] <ikonia> you have to upload the source
[14:25] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking you to build the binary from the source package, to make sure your source is valid
[14:26] <pihhan> ikonia: haven't you just said I need to build packages?
[14:26] <ikonia> (well suggesting, not asking)
[14:26] <pihhan> ikonia: it builds well from it.
[14:26] <ikonia> pihhan: launchpad builds the packages for you, I'm asking you to build them locally just to verify the source pacakge is sane and outputs a sucessful build
[14:26] <ikonia> what's the URL of your PPA
[14:27] <pihhan> ikonia: https://launchpad.net/~pihhan/+archive/ubuntu/raceintospace
[14:28] <ikonia> that's showing no files in it (not even the source)
[14:28] <pihhan> I know. But don't know why
[14:28] <ikonia> when you put the source package what is the output from the command line
[14:32] <pihhan> ikonia: https://paste.centos.org/view/b5207927
[14:34] <ikonia> how odd, no warnings there
[14:36] <larkfisherman> Hey guys, my ubuntu installation is stuck with 800x600 desktop resolution and I can't seem to get it back to HD.
[14:37] <larkfisherman> xrandr output: `Screen 0: minimum 800 x 600, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600default connected primary 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm   800x600       75.00* `
[14:37] <ikonia> pihhan: that' really odd
[14:37] <larkfisherman> nvidia-smi shows /usr/bin/gnome-shell and /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg running on GPU
[14:37] <pihhan> xiq: do you need SOCKS to connect to the internet?
[14:38] <reaga> i cant get my monitor to work with displayport, only with hdmi. it's fine before installing the nvidia driver, but after installing the driver it stops working with displayport
[14:39] <basenode> why am i getting a login loop?
[14:41] <EriC^^> basenode: look at the permissions and owner of ~/.Xauthority  and other ~/*authority files you have
[14:46] <coconut> ikonia, can launchpad also be used as ppa for an old wallpaper collection of other distro's, like for example fedora?
[14:46] <ikonia> coconut: anything you can package
[14:46] <coconut> i see, thank you :)
[14:47] <pihhan> coconut: anything you can package and would maintain those packages
[14:48] <coconut> there is not limit on size for a repo either?
[14:51] <coconut> (not that it would be big...)
[14:51] <ikonia> coconut: I think there is an individual packge limit
[14:51] <ikonia> butit's pretty big
[14:51] <ikonia> stops peope making an OS in a package
[14:51] <coconut> lol
[14:52] <pihhan> Each PPA gets 2 GiB of disk space
[14:53] <basenode> EriC^^: i'll try that, thanks
[14:53] <coconut> oh that is more than enough :)
[15:06] <reaga> ok im back
[15:06] <rooferdave> Having trouble understanding how to generate or aquire the secret key for each JWT for this setup "https://github.com/MycroftAI/selene-backend", specificly the JWT_ACCESS_SECRET=<access secret> of the sso_api.service file under "single sign on API
[15:07] <reaga> my point was, my monitor doesnt work correctly with displayport but it does with hdmi. this is after installing nvidia drivers. before installing the drivers its fine.
[15:31] <sub_pop> update-ca-certificates doesn't like a certificate I'm trying to put into /usr/local/share/ca-certificates. It says " it does not contain exactly one certificate or CRL". Is there another way to add a CA chain? Or can I split that certificate into multiple files somehow?
[15:35] <Kurozen> Hello
[15:35] <ioria> sub_pop, i guess that 's just a warning (iirc)
[15:35] <Kurozen> I'm trying to install manually downloaded source, build and install, but simulating as if it's done with package manager, even tho it isnt.
[15:36] <Kurozen> So that it gets installed into root
[15:36] <Kurozen> not home
[15:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> hey everyone! I have this exact same issue, can anyone help? https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/can-t-install-amdgpu-drivers-on-ubuntu-20-04-1-5-4-0-56-generic/td-p/426676
[15:39] <basenode> guys im being put into a login loop when i try to log in to my main user
[15:39] <basenode> (doesn't happen if i create a new user)
[15:39] <basenode> (also, i removed .local, .config, .cache, not of that worked)
[15:39] <basenode> any ideas?
[15:47] <deltab> basenode: check the system logs
[15:47] <basenode> i have, but i'm not sure what to look for
[15:48] <basenode> the ones that stood out were "Out of memory: Killed process <pid> (Xsession)"
[15:48] <deltab> anything unusual happening at the time you try to log in
[15:48] <deltab> ah, that sounds relevant
[15:48] <basenode> the problem is i'm not sure "usual" is
[15:49] <basenode> also "gkr-pram: unable to locate daemon control file" (not sure if relevant)
[15:50] <deltab> "Out of memory: Killed process" isn't usual
[15:50] <basenode> you think that might be it?
[15:50] <deltab> could well be
[15:50] <deltab> graphical login, right?
[15:51] <sub_pop> ioria: No, it skips the file.
[15:52] <basenode> deltab: yeah, that's the one that's causing the issue
[15:52] <basenode> gdm
[15:53] <basenode> but only for one particular user
[15:57] <deltab> basenode: check .xsession-errors
[16:02] <basenode> er how can i read it?
[16:04] <deltab> less
[16:05] <pavlos> tools to read a text file (cat, more, less, vi, nano)
[16:07] <basenode> i don't have a .xession-errors in ~ though
[16:14] <basenode> man this is ridiculous, how can stuff break so easily?
[16:14] <mefistofeles> basenode: what happened?
[16:14] <mefistofeles> computers are black magic, fwiw :P
[16:15] <basenode> mefistofeles: i wake up this morning to a login loop, can't login to this particular account using my GUI
[16:15] <basenode> (tty works fine)
[16:15] <basenode> and it's only for my main user account, if i create a new one and try to login, it works fine
[16:16] <mefistofeles> basenode: what changed before that? did you upgrade or something?
[16:16] <basenode> mefistofeles: it's possible that was the first reboot since upgrading, but i can't remember
[16:18] <pavlos> basenode: since you can login in tty, move .config/ .oldconfig/ then reboot and try to login gui as user, it should recreate .config/
[16:20] <basenode> i tried moving .config, .cache and .local, didn't resolve the issue
[16:27] <basenode> is there a way of checking which packages where upgraded last?
[16:27] <deltab> basenode: try moving .Xsession, .xsession, .xsessionrc
[16:28] <basenode> where are these files located?
[16:29] <deltab> user's home directory
[16:29] <deltab> same place as .config, .cache, .local
[16:30] <basenode> i'm on a ubuntu-based distro, maybe they've moved them somewhere else
[16:31] <mefistofeles> basenode: then that may explain why it breaks :P
[16:31] <deltab> shouldn't break by running out of memory
[16:31] <deltab> that suggests something running automatically on login going wrong
[16:32] <pavlos> basenode: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[16:32] <basenode> tried that too, also didn't work :(
[16:32] <deltab> and as it's only that one user, it's porbably in the user config
[16:32] <basenode> in .config?
[16:32] <basenode> i have some gnome-extensions too, maybe it's that?
[16:33] <deltab> not if you've renamed/moved that and it's still a problem
[16:33] <deltab> could be one of the other dot files
[16:34] <basenode> deltab: you don't think it could be neovim do you? it currently throws an error when i open it
[16:34] <deltab> if the error isn't that it runs out of memory, then it's unlikely to be that
[16:35] <basenode> hmm ok
[16:35] <basenode> yeah it's "Not an editor command: Plug 'some/package'"
[16:35] <basenode> for every plug package actually, but probably unrelated
[16:36] <basenode> i mean it could be any of my other dotfiles under ~ (and not under .config)
[16:36] <deltab> my hypothesis is this: user logs in; Xsession is started along with other GUI stuff; some program (could be Xsession, something started by it, or something else) uses up memory, causing Xsession to crash, bring down the whole GUI; gdm restarts and asks for login
[16:37] <deltab> Plug is defined by an extension which isn't being loaded
[16:39] <deltab> ~/.vimrc should have something about ~/.vim/autoload/plug.vim and call plug#begin('~/.vim/plugged') before the Plug commands
[16:41] <chrimbus> anyone here running ubuntu on HP Omen? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Omen-by-HP-15-FHD-Gaming-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-10750H-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1660-Ti-6GB-8GB-RAM-1TB-HDD-256GB-SSD-Mouse-and-Headset-Bundle/941063327?comm-msg-vehicle=EMAIL&comm-msg-id=6e95a9db-ef27-44d3-83ed-50210fa3b6c7
[16:41] <chrimbus> tempted to dive in to ubuntu as daily driver finally. not sure if i'll have a shit gaming experience tho
[17:00] <basenode> deltab: ah ok, so probably not nvim then
[17:00] <basenode> should i check my last upgrade and see which packages changed?
[17:00] <basenode> then try downgrading or removing them until i find the culprit?
[17:01] <lynndotpy_> chrimbus: No experience with that laptop, but a lot of games work great with steam proton. but definitely dual boot if gaming is important to you
[17:10] <basenode> i guess my laptop is broken
[17:10] <deltab> basenode: do you know what the last upgrade was?
[17:10] <deltab> (i use etckeeper to track that and other changes to /etc)
[17:11] <basenode> deltab: i was just looking at my logs, but the last i could find was from the end of october
[17:11] <basenode> not sure if that's right though
[17:11] <basenode> (in dpkg.log btw)
[17:11] <mefistofeles> chrimbus: depends, what kind of games do you expect to play? If they are AAA games, I suspect you are not going to like the experience in ubuntu
[17:12] <basenode> that is to say, dpkg.log contained only the update/upgrades i ran after encountering the login loop, and before that was end of october
[17:14] <deltab> basenode: if it's only affecting one user, it's less likely to be a system-wide change
[17:14] <deltab> basenode: check which files have changed in that user's directory since the last successful login
[17:15] <basenode> oh good idea, didn't think of that
[17:16] <deltab> find ~ -newermt '...'
[17:17] <deltab> find ~ -newermt '...' -ls
[17:17] <basenode> deltab: the last changes in ~ that weren't made today were made on november 30
[17:17] <basenode> so i guess it must be a package?
[17:17] <deltab> which files?
[17:18] <deltab> oh, successful login since that change?
[17:18] <basenode> deltab: oh how can i check my uptime?
[17:18] <basenode> i should be looking for the time since last reboot
[17:18] <deltab> 'uptime'
[17:18] <basenode> is there an uptime log that shows previous uptimes?
[17:18] <basenode> i've rebooted quite often today
[17:19] <pavlos> command is 'last'
[17:19] <deltab> journalctl --list-boots
[17:19] <pavlos> for previous logins
[17:19] <basenode> thanks!
[17:20] <basenode> so last reboot was november 24
[17:21] <basenode> and the only files that have changed since then (using ls -lha ~) are: .zcompdump-pop-os-5.8, .bashrc, .yarnrc, .hex
[17:22] <basenode> (zcompdump being some zsh file)
[17:23] <basenode> hmm maybe i should test if zsh is causing the problem
[17:23] <deltab> how is the memory situation when the user isn't logged in?
[17:23] <basenode> hmm not too sure, how can i check this?
[17:24] <deltab> htop
[17:24] <basenode> in my tty session?
[17:24] <deltab> yes
[17:24] <basenode> 700MB/16GB
[17:25] <deltab> okay, so it's not like the system is almost out of memory and logging in pushes it over
[17:25] <ddubya> how can I force psmouse driver to use imex protocol (enable side buttons) at boot?
[17:25] <basenode> deltab: at least not using tty yeah
[17:26] <basenode> i was thinking maybe some memory leak caused by logging in with the gui
[17:26] <basenode> (if it is a memory issue)
[17:26] <deltab> yeah
[17:26] <deltab> another possibility is some system-imposed limit that's too small
[17:27] <pavlos> basenode: so tty login works fine, gui login with some other user works fine but gui login with a specific user does not.
[17:27] <basenode> pavlos: correct
[17:28] <pavlos> basenode: the home dir of that specific user must be the issue
[17:29] <basenode> can we rule out directories like Documents, Pictures, etc?
[17:31] <deltab> probably, though with an unspecific failure like this we can't be certain
[17:31] <pavlos> basenode: do you have startup apps for the bad user?
[17:31] <basenode> i do, yeah (although i'm not sure how to check without using the gui)
[17:32] <basenode> would that be a gnome setting?
[17:32] <deltab> they'd likely be set within .config, so renaming/moving that should disable them
[17:32] <pavlos> there are in ~/.config/autostart/ but
[17:33] <basenode> oh ok, so probably not that
[17:33] <basenode> i can mv .local, .config and .cache again, just to be 100% sure
[17:34] <pavlos> I suggest move all .dirs to .olddirs/ so that bad user has a clean env
[17:34] <pavlos> can you cat /etc/passwd | grep <baduser> it is one line
[17:34] <deltab> or rename the user's home directory, create a new one (which hopefully works) and move stuff across into it
[17:34] <basenode> or would it be easy to cp all .dirs to a new user?
[17:35] <basenode> so just "mv /home/currentuser /home/currentuserbak; mkdir /home/newuser"?
[17:35] <deltab> yes, though you'd need to change the ownership if the user id changes
[17:36] <deltab> (re new user)
[17:36] <deltab> mkdir /home/currentuser, yeah
[17:36] <basenode> ah got you, ok let me try that
[17:39] <basenode> and then do i basically have to cp a file, try to login with gui, cp a file, try to login with gui, etc?
[17:40] <ddubya> disregard my question, won't solve the problem
[17:41] <pavlos> ddubya: usually you mod Xorg for mouse but there is no Xorg
[17:41] <basenode> deltab: ^
[17:43] <pavlos> ddubya: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MouseCustomizations
[17:46] <ddubya> pavlos, thanks, I'm looking into xinput now
[17:47] <basenode> well, i guess and go and try that and report back on the results (if im even able to access irc again)
[17:47] <basenode> *i guess i'll go
[18:24] <basenode> deltab: lol i found the issue
[18:25] <basenode> one sec
[18:31] <Gh0sta> hey people
[18:31] <Gh0sta> Which is the best distro similar to Mac OS?
[18:32] <demonspork> Gh0sta: similar in what way?
[18:32] <Gh0sta> oh sorry
[18:32] <Gh0sta> UI
[18:33] <demonspork> Like, the aesthetic look? Specific features like the dock?
[18:34] <Gh0sta> yeah aethestically
[18:34] <Gh0sta> all the animations etc
[18:34] <demonspork> ah, back in the day the animations and stuff would come from compiz, not sure where they are at these days
[18:34] <demonspork> but for the dock here is https://www.fossmint.com/macos-like-docks-for-ubuntu/
[18:35] <Gh0sta> Cool! Thanks
[18:35] <demonspork> Gh0sta: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/make-ubuntu-look-like-mac-5-steps as well might give you some direction
[18:36] <jwisbell35> Isnt Elementary Linux meant to be Mac Os'ish...
[18:36] <taub> i dont konw why my disk is only 200gb when i got 1tb https://pastebin.com/wuEL4uTZ
[18:36] <taub> and i have no idea what this mapped stuff is
[18:36] <taub> did i fuck up the install?
[18:36] <demonspork> Gh0sta: you might get a better picture of what is out there by googling that question
[18:37] <Gh0sta> demonspork: :) thank you .. will do
[18:38] <imbezol> taub: what's the output of vgdisplay?
[18:39] <basenode> deltab: lol i'd put a "source" and "echo > " statement into my .profile, which could it to be about 400K lines long, that was the problem xD
[18:39] <basenode> (with both source and echo pointing to itself)
[18:40] <taub> imbezol: https://pastebin.com/kTQUu80n
[18:40] <taub> does it just allocate more when needed?
[18:41] <imbezol> i don't think so. you can expand it manually tho
[18:41] <taub> its mounted on root though
[18:42] <imbezol> taub: i think you can still do it online
[18:43] <imbezol> try "lvextend -v -r ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv"
[18:43] <taub> yea reading up on it, thanks
[18:43] <imbezol> that will try to extend the LV and the filesystem at the same time. that may not work depending on the filesystem you're using. in that case, do it without the -r, and then resize the filesystem separately after
[18:44] <taub>  Size of logical volume ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv changed from 200.00 GiB (51200 extents) to 930.00 GiB (238080 extents).
[18:44] <taub> sweet that was painless
[18:44] <imbezol> did it resize the fs too?
[18:45] <imbezol> df -hT /
[18:45] <taub> no
[18:45] <imbezol> what fs are you using?
[18:45] <taub> default, ext3?
[18:45] <imbezol> df -hT / should tell you
[18:45] <taub> o
[18:46] <taub> ext4
[18:46] <imbezol> you should just be able to run "resize2fs /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv"
[18:47] <imbezol> by default it will grow to use all the available space
[18:47] <taub> yep thank you so much
[18:47] <imbezol> np
[18:48] <noalternative> I have a wired headset.  It attaches to a soundcard wth green and pink 3.5 jacks.   I can get sound from the earphones, but can't get the mic working.  The soundcard is a usb device attached to a hub on a compute stick.
[18:49] <noalternative> I have tried different configurations in sound settings but nothing works.
[18:50] <pavlos> basenode: what was the issue?
[18:52] <noalternative> Anyone have any ideas for trouble shooting. This is Ubuntu Mate 20.04 64bit installed on the main drive of the intel compute stick.
[18:53] <pavlos> noalternative: that usb soundcard should have drivers
[18:54] <noalternative> I did an update and upgrade after I inserted it, and the sound is working from usb pnp sound device
[18:56] <noalternative> profile is analog stereo output + mono input
[18:57] <noalternative> I also tried several others.
[18:58] <noalternative> Is there anything else I can try?
[19:00] <pavlos> noalternative: can you install pavucontrol and work with the settings? maybe mic channel is muted.
[19:01] <noalternative> ok
[19:37] <nathdwek> Hey, I am in a bit of a situation
[19:37] <nathdwek> So basically I set up a ubuntu laptop using an azerty keyboard at the time
[19:37] <nathdwek> and I set a password which contains the character "é"
[19:37] <nathdwek> Now I don't have access to an azerty keyboard, the laptop has a US qwerty keyboard
[19:38] <nathdwek> and I am stuck in the login screen, can't find a way to enter character "é"
[19:38] <nathdwek> I have tried left ctrl left shift + unicode code
[19:38] <nathdwek> compose key (supposed to be alt gr right shift if I read correctly)
[19:38] <nathdwek> 'e
[19:39] <nathdwek> I can't add a keyboard layout from the login screen
[19:39] <nathdwek> the visual keyboard offers lots of choice, including emojis (!) but no french accented letters
[19:39] <nathdwek> I haven't set up sshd-server on that laptop yet so can't change the password from the outside
[19:39] <nathdwek> any idea?
[19:41] <pavlos> nathdwek: it should be ctrl + shift + u then unicode
[19:41] <dedondesta> mailutils is used to install postfix below 18 version of ubuntu, i need to install postfix right now, i wonder what mailutils include, should i install mailutils and then postfix for ubuntu 20
[19:42] <dedondesta> is there a server chan?
[19:42] <compdoc> #ubuntu-server
[19:43] <nathdwek> pavlos:yeah that does not work in the password field
[19:43] <nathdwek> just erases anything you typed
[19:43] <pavlos> nathdwek: ok, boot into recovery mode, then change pw
[19:43] <compdoc> mailutils only includes a client and some other utils I never use
[19:44] <dedondesta> compdoc: i see, thanks
[19:44] <compdoc> install it at the same time as  postfix, or afterwards
[19:45] <nathdwek> pavlos: will do to save time, but sounds like a bazooka to kill a fly
[19:46] <nathdwek> Not really the topic of this channel, but being able to enter emojis in the password field using the visual keyboard but no accented letters makes me scratch my head haha
[19:46] <pavlos> nathdwek: well, you cannot ssh ... other idea, boot with a live iso, mount hdd, and change pw
[19:46] <nathdwek> even though this must affect like one poor soul every 2 year
[19:46] <nathdwek> s
[19:47] <tieinv> numlock
[19:48] <nathdwek> pavlos: yeah I dropped down into root prompt and changed the password, thanks for the emotional support! :)
[19:48] <pavlos> nathdwek: np
[19:49] <pavlos> nathdwek: is the visual keyboard the onboard?
[19:49] <nathdwek> huh?
[19:49] <nathdwek> accessibility->visual keyboard
[19:49] <pavlos> nathdwek: the pgm that pops the visual keyboard
[19:49] <nathdwek> or something
[19:49] <pavlos> ok
[19:50] <nathdwek> when you're in the out of the box login screen
[19:50] <nathdwek> in vanilla ubuntu
[19:50] <nathdwek> top right
[19:50] <pavlos> I'll try on my laptop
[20:08] <pavlos> nathdwek: did you install a second language? I added Greek, there is an indicator (en,gr) at the top right. I logged out, upon login when the visual keyboard shows, if I click on the (en,gr) the keyboard changes to Greek chars.
[20:31] <nathdwek> pavlos: no there was no second language available at that moment
[20:34] <Hash> Hello
[20:34] <Hash> I have to order a webcam
[20:35] <Hash> They require that for proctored testing for accredited/certification type exams from home
[20:35] <Hash> I need to make sure it will also work in linux/ubuntu etc.
[20:35] <Hash> Do you have a suggestion on the kind of webcam compatible with linux?
[20:35] <Hash> Thank you kindly
[20:36] <ioria> !webcam
[20:36] <ioria> a bit old, honestly
[20:41] <leftyfb> Hash: I use a Microsoft Lifecam Studio
[21:27] <basenode> guys where can i just my terminal font type
[21:27] <basenode> it's not monospaced, i've tried changing it with gnome-tweak but to no avail
[21:38] <jeremy31> basenode: can't you right click in terminal and click "show toolbar" and then click the edit menu/preferences?
[21:44] <basenode> jeremy31: i'm using alacritty, which doesn't have that option i think
[21:45] <UndeadLeech> You can change everything in Alacritty's config file.
[21:45] <UndeadLeech> Which you can place in ~/.config/alacritty/alacritty.yml for example (various locations are supported). You can find an example for your release on the releases page on GitHub.
[21:46] <basenode> UndeadLeech: iused to have it working, but it's stopped for some reason
[21:47] <UndeadLeech> You might have installed another font.
[21:47] <UndeadLeech> Alacritty's font fallback matches `fc-match -s "monospace"` by default. If you install new fonts that might break things.
[21:47] <UndeadLeech> You're free to adjust your fontconfig configuration though of course.
[21:48] <basenode> UndeadLeech: ah maybe that's what happened then
[21:48] <UndeadLeech> Potentially. Generally I find that I run into a lot less problems the fewer fonts I have installed. Though of course not everyone is interested in keeping that minimal.
[21:49] <basenode> i would prefer that honestly
[21:49] <basenode> so what exactly do i have to do to get my fonts rendering properly again?
[21:50] <UndeadLeech> I mean the easiest solution is probably just to manually specify the font in your Alacritty config.
[21:50] <basenode> how can i check if the font i have defined in my alacritty config actually exists on my system?
[21:50] <UndeadLeech> That's what I do for example. Like this: https://github.com/chrisduerr/dotfiles/blob/master/files/alacritty.yml#L9-L13
[21:50] <UndeadLeech> By default, no config exists on your system.
[21:50] <UndeadLeech> So unless you've added one, you don't have one.
[21:51] <basenode> ah that worked
[21:59] <basenode> at least some fonts are working, but the previous one i used does not
[22:28] <PeGaSuS> stupid question of the day: if I upgrade from 16.04 to 20.04, will the ifupdown configuration be automatically ported to netplan?
[22:29] <basenode> got it working
[22:29] <basenode> thank you UndeadLeech
[22:30] <PeGaSuS> i believe I've ruined an install trying to migrate from ifupdown to netplan :/
[22:30] <UndeadLeech> No problem, always happy to help. Also if you have Alacritty specific questions it's probably best to ask in #alacritty, just because there will be more people around there that can assist you.
[22:34] <sarnold> PeGaSuS: funny, neither the bionic nor focal release notes addresses what'll be done on upgrades
[22:51] <N3bulaK> Hey there
[22:51] <N3bulaK> what is the best way to clone Ubuntu to a new SSD?
[22:52] <Rexodus> If the new one is larger, dd.
[22:53] <N3bulaK> yeah it's 256gb SSD
[22:53] <N3bulaK> at the moment I have a 100 gig partition on a HDD for linux
[22:54] <Rexodus> dd will work fine and you don't need to install a thing.
[22:54] <N3bulaK> Rexodus: cool thanks
[22:54] <Rexodus> yw
[22:57] <Bashing-om> N3bulaK: I had the experience in installing same OS to a different drive - that the install was an exact copy *WHEN* the same usrename and password is emplyed on the new install.
[23:03] <ggz> hello
[23:04] <ggz> when i go in TTY mode with ctrl alt F1, i can't enter the password, it automatically enter to next line for a while
[23:05] <ggz> each time my system crash, i try to login to tty and remember i have this bug :/ :p
[23:08] <Rexodus> Why is your system crashing?
[23:08] <Rexodus> That's not normal imho.
[23:13] <N3bulaK> Bashing-om: ?
[23:13] <N3bulaK> didn't get it
[23:30] <N3bulaK> Rexodus: is it ok to clone a filesystem partition to a SSD ?
[23:34] <N3bulaK> would it work as the same like cloning the whole drive?
[23:35] <sarnold> are you going to want to boot from that?
[23:35] <N3bulaK> Yeah
[23:35] <sarnold> you'll want to clone into a partition then, so you can set up efi filesystem etc as necessary
[23:35] <ggz> Rexodus: it's very rare, when i write an infinite loop and eat all resources for examples :p but the point is i want to get back my tty ^^
[23:36] <N3bulaK> sarnold: oh ok
[23:36] <N3bulaK> do I also have to format the drive before the cloning?
[23:36] <N3bulaK> SSD*
[23:37] <sarnold> N3bulaK: you'll have to partition it in some fashion, eg if you're going to make a 512M EFI partition, make that, make space for the ubuntu install, and then dd that way; I'm not sure how you grow afterwards, probably resize2fs, but I've not tried that in ~17 years
[23:38] <N3bulaK> lol
[23:38] <N3bulaK> seems very tricky to me
[23:38] <N3bulaK> but thanks
[23:39] <N3bulaK> I will go with a fresh installations xD
[23:40] <deltab> N3bulaK: run the partitioner, tell it which device and what partitions you want on it
[23:41] <N3bulaK> deltab: will try. thanks
[23:41] <N3bulaK> does it help to create a Swap partition?
[23:42] <sarnold> you can also use a swap file, which gives you a bit more flexibility
[23:42] <deltab> yes, depending on how much RAM you have and how much memory the programs you run need
[23:42] <N3bulaK> sarnold: oh wonders how?
[23:43] <N3bulaK> deltab: 8 gig RAM
[23:43] <sarnold> it certainlky helps to have one or two gigabytes of swap space, so the kernel can stuff memory when things are tight, but don't go more than that
[23:43] <deltab> I mean swap in general, not specifically partition vs. file
[23:44] <deltab> the kernel can also swap out unused pages even when things aren't tight, allowing for better use of the RAM
[23:44] <N3bulaK> hmm
[23:44] <N3bulaK> sounds good
[23:45] <N3bulaK> Well I now have 3 drives in my machine
[23:46] <N3bulaK> 1 HDD --> Ubuntu / 1 SSD ---> Windows and  New SSD ----> New Linux distro
[23:47] <N3bulaK> will be back after installation :)


[00:03] <Perigee> Ok it doesnt like my wireless keyboard when I hit Esc. But a generic wired one is fine. *shrug*
[00:06] <loula> hi
[00:06] <Perigee> loula: Howdy
[00:07] <loula> hey, how can you know a problem is software or hardware-related?
[00:08] <loula> my computer makes me crazy
[00:08] <Perigee> What kind of problem?
[00:08] <loula> it wont connect to the network
[00:09] <loula> well, it did, and it just stopped
[00:09] <Perigee> Wired or wifi?
[00:10] <loula> i've had wifi issues last week, whenever i connected the network via wifi and a dongle the sydtem freezed and went unuseable until i hard-rebooted it
[00:10] <loula> i then used wired connection, went fine from last saturday until now
[00:10] <loula> now it just wont connect
[00:12] <Perigee> Have you tried booting the Xubuntu installer and run it in "Try Xubuntu" mode? If it works with that, I would point towards an OS issue on your system. If it doesn't work, I'd point towards hardware. Especially if it worked in the past.
[00:12] <loula> ill try that
[00:12] <loula> the wifi issue persisted through a formatting
[00:13] <Unit193> A different OS/kernel version might be useful for testing.
[00:14] <Perigee> Could be flaky drivers for the wifi dongle too. Depends on the chip (and in my experience always one of the biggest issues in Linux). For examply my laptop right now has a Broadcom chip that is supposed to work... but doesn't. Both with the "wl" or "b43" drivers.   I presume you looked at the Ubuntu wiki on b43 and the different versions?
[00:16] <Perigee> Unit193: Yeah, it's not an Ubuntu thing 'cause I had the same problems with other distros. The chip activates, makes an interface, but never shows any networks when you scan, nor allows you to manually enter one. I submitted a bug/plea to the b43 devel list so far, but no response.
[00:17] <Unit193> Fun indeed then.  I have an older one, other than needing to get drivers not really had much issue with it (at least, the issues I had I doubt are firmware/drivers. :P )
[00:18] <Perigee> Unit193: And even weirder the proprietary "wl" drivers from Broadcom do the same thing.
[00:18] <Perigee> So I use a USB dongle. Bleh.
[00:18] <Unit193> loula: If you're using Yakkety, then I'd try Xenial though typically if you have newer hardware, you want to go newer for "better" support.
[00:19] <Perigee> loula: I'd try booting with the "Try Xubuntu" like I mentioned, or even try another distro's live CD method as well, and report back
[00:19] <loula> i tryed with xu16.10 live usb
[00:19] <loula> gives me the same thing
[00:19] <loula> i have no other live os to test
[00:20] <loula> im on a phone right now
[00:20] <Perigee> Ah
[00:20] <Perigee> Can you load a different distro on the live usb?
[00:20] <Perigee> Or a different version like 16.04
[00:21] <loula> without internet on the computer it seems difficult
[00:22] <Perigee> Can you run "dmesg | grep fail" and look for any results?
[00:23] <loula> im rebooting, i tell you that
[00:23] <Perigee> brb
[00:27] <loula> it says : " [   0.504520] acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC failed (AE_NOT_FOUND); disabling ASPM"
[00:33] <loula> wtf
[00:33] <loula> ah no
[00:33] <knome> please remember this is a family-friendly channel (:
[00:33] <loula> sorry
[00:37] <loula> thunar started acting weird
[00:37] <loula> but it stopped
[00:50] <loula> im downloading a xubuntu16.04 image on my phone, lets see how it goes
[00:50] <Unit193> Not gonna lie, that sounds a bit painful.
[00:51] <knome> a bit?
[00:51] <Unit193> I lied, it sounds very painful.
[00:51] <loula> tbh the most painful part is connecting my phone to my computer
[00:51] <loula> it doesnt plug well
[00:52] <loula> (yeah i dream of well-working stuff)
[00:52] <loula> (maybe next life)
[00:52] <knome> just fall back to a dumbphone so you don't have to worry about connectivity!
[00:53] <knome> hmm, the exclamation point made it sound like a joke...
[00:55] <loula> i would have no way to connect to internet when my computerhgates me
[00:55] <loula> when my computer hates me*
[00:56] <Perigee> loula you sound plagued with issues :(
[00:56] <knome> well.. then you have no internet worries either :)
[00:57] <loula> Perigee, i think i inherited my grandma's curse with all technological thing
[00:58] <knome> loula, btw, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter;)
[00:58] <loula> and knome yeah, that's true
[00:59] <loula> (the internet worries)
[00:59] <loula> on-topic, i now have a xubuntu 16.04 on the machine
[01:01] <Unit193> grml-rescueboot and he can just drop the iso in /boot/grml/ and update grub.
[01:09] <loula> how does one upgrade grub?
[01:09] <Unit193> `sudo update-grub`
[01:15] <loula> i dont seem to have any grml-rescueboot package installed
[01:28] <loula> is there a partitionning program coming with xubuntu?
[01:29] <loula> doing the same kind of thing than gparted
[01:37] <loula> i'm looking to formatting a usb stick to make it a xubuntu live usb
[01:37] <loula> but i cant find a program that does that
[01:37] <loula> without an internet connection at least
[01:40] <bazhang> do you have the live usb
[01:41] <bazhang> what OS are you currently using to get on irc
[01:42] <loula> im on my phone, my computer doesnt connect to the network
[01:43] <bazhang> so there are not any networked computers anywhere in your home
[01:44] <loula> i have a usb stick i want to format to make it a live usb using a xubuntu16.04 iso file i downloaded using my phone, transferred to my computer (running xubuntu 16.10)
[01:44] <loula> no
[01:45] <bazhang> how were you planning to do that, from your phone
[01:45] <loula> im doing the usb stick just to test if network connexion works or not, if the issue is software or hardware-related
[01:45] <loula> no
[01:45] <bazhang> 'how'
[01:45] <loula> i just got the iso file from my phone and put it on my computer
[01:46] <bazhang> and you currently have a xubuntu install on that computer
[01:46] <loula> yes
[01:46] <bazhang> and that computer has never been on the network
[01:47] <loula> it was
[01:47] <loula> but it stopped working
[01:47] <bazhang> what did you do, that it stopped working
[01:47] <loula> nothing in particular
[01:48] <loula> im just searching for the cause
[01:48] <bazhang> added some outside software?
[01:49] <loula> nothing i didnt use before
[01:49] <loula> for months
[01:49] <bazhang> from which source
[01:50] <loula> official websites, or ppa mentionned on official websites
[01:50] <loula> nothing weird
[01:52] <loula> wifi started failing last week, it totally freezed my computer when connecting. i used wire connection since then. it worked well until tonight when it started having difficulties to connect, until it stopped connecting at all
[01:53] <loula> the wifi connection freeze probkem persidted after a OS reinstall
[01:54] <bazhang> PPA are never recommended on official websites
[01:54] <bazhang> PPA are at your own risk entirely
[01:57] <loula> https://framapic.org/NlyTswbBBMNP/0IbEiOsKkGlw.png
[01:57] <bazhang> what is that loula
[01:58] <loula> a screenshot
[01:58] <bazhang> telling us what
[01:58] <loula> from inkscape'official website
[01:58] <loula> and a link to its ppa
[01:58] <bazhang> inkscape is not ubuntu official
[01:59] <loula> how can i format a usb stick?
[02:00] <loula> i can't find a way to do that without installing some package, which i cant
[02:00] <bazhang> without any software?
[02:01] <bazhang> you have a lower version iso, you want to replace 16.10 with
[02:02] <bazhang> the iso is already on the 16.10 machine, and you have a blank usb stick, or one you can use to completely overwrite it for the iso
[02:02] <loula> yes
[02:03] <loula> the stick isnt blank, thats why i want to format it
[02:03] <bazhang> do you see the software called 'disks' already on that xubuntu install
[02:05] <loula> there is no 'disks' program :(
[02:06] <bazhang> was that xubuntu install ever networked, or it was until you added some outside sources PPA and the like, and then the wifi failed
[02:08] <loula> wifi worked and failed
[02:08] <bazhang> is this your home wifi
[02:08] <loula> yes
[02:09] <bazhang> and thats from a router
[02:09] <loula> yes
[02:09] <loula> wifi works, computer doesnt
[02:09] <bazhang> and that router has cables for the other computers in your house
[02:09] <loula> no
[02:10] <loula> only mine since wifi made the computer freeze
[02:10] <bazhang> every commercial router out there has cable ethernet support
[02:11] <loula> yes, and it worked until tonight
[02:12] <loula> now my computer fails to connect the network
[02:12] <bazhang> sounds like a router issue
[02:13] <bazhang> in order to set up the router, you have to first use ethernet to connect to it
[02:14] <bazhang> thats a cable
[02:15] <bazhang> you installed the 16.10 with a live usb
[02:15] <loula> im using a wire connection since last week
[02:15] <bazhang> great
[02:15] <loula> it worked well
[02:16] <loula> until tonight
[02:16] <bazhang> this is an easy fix then
[02:16] <Menzador> So the Ethernet no longer works?
[02:16] <bazhang> the ethernet stopped working all of a sudden
[02:16] <Menzador> How the heck...
[02:17] <bazhang> dns
[02:17] <bazhang> you can get in irc, but not the www
[02:17] <loula> im on irc from my phone
[02:17] <bazhang> Menzador, common thing
[02:18] <Menzador> Ah. So simply an improper DNS or port config
[02:18] <loula> i can browse websites from my phone
[02:18] <bazhang> loula, is the computer still attached to the ethernet, and on
[02:18] <loula> my phone uses home's network via wifi
[02:18] <loula> and yes, my computer is on and plugged
[02:19] <Menzador> into the router?
[02:19] <bazhang> loula, can you open a terminal, on the xubuntu machine
[02:19] <loula> yes
[02:19] <bazhang> please do
[02:19] <loula> its done
[02:20] <bazhang> loula, and if you type ifconfig -a  what do you seen listed
[02:20] <bazhang> eth0 wlan0 lo or any of those three
[02:21] <loula> there are 2 blocks: first is enp9s0, second is lo
[02:21] <loula> (sith a lot of text for each one)
[02:21] <loula> with*
[02:21] <bazhang> ok
[02:22] <bazhang> loula, so what happens when you sudo ifdown enp9so
[02:22] <bazhang> s0
[02:22] <Menzador> Why are we using net-tools? We should be using the ip suite?
[02:22] <bazhang> Menzador, are you taking this over from me
[02:22] <bazhang> go for it
[02:23] <loula> it tells me "unknown interface enp9s0"
[02:35] <loula> is that all?
[02:35] <bazhang> hang on
[02:35] <loula> ok :)
[02:40] <bazhang> loula, reinstalling the OS is not really needed when networking has some fluke
[02:40] <bazhang> we simply need to renew the lease on the current ethernet, then get that wifi back and going
[02:41] <loula> someone suggested to try with another version with a live os, to see if it coyld be hardware-related
[02:41] <bazhang> loula, you initially installed the 16.10 with a live usb?
[02:42] <loula> yes
[02:42] <bazhang> and you still have that 16.10 usb stick
[02:43] <loula> yeah
[02:44] <bazhang> so you can boot the computer, with the ethernet cable in using the usb stick
[02:44] <loula> i did that yes
[02:44] <bazhang> and is it in that situation presently
[02:46] <loula> no, it acted the same as with a regular boot so i came back to my regular session
[02:49] <bazhang> loula, well we will need to get back into that live session again
[02:50] <loula> im going there
[02:50] <bazhang> loula, I currently will have some other  things outside of irc I need to handle, so you can repeat your issue, or I will return a bit later to help out
[02:50] <loula> ok!
[02:51] <loula> see you then
[02:51] <bazhang> :)
[03:19] <loula> hmm and after rebooting the router it works again ._.
[03:20] <loula> i dont understand at all
[05:06] <AHemlocksLie> I recently installed Xubuntu on my friend's laptop because it's on the low end and Windows was a little too bulky for it. He's not super computer savvy, but after tweaking the occasional problem he runs into in his first couple weeks, he should be fine. As an Arch user, though, I'm not 100% familiar with exact names of things he needs, and remote viewing his desktop would help a lot. What's the best setup so I can watch him and guide him thro
[05:06] <AHemlocksLie> ugh things when he has problems?
[05:08] <AHemlocksLie> Just screen viewing will help a lot so he can still go through the motions himself and learn. Control when necessary might be a nice cherry on top but not really necessary
[05:11] <AHemlocksLie> I'm slightly unsure of things like RDP vs remote X sessions, but if my understanding is correct, I don't really want a remote X session because that's more like my own login on his machine instead of watching his login
[05:13] <loula> i heard gitso was an easy solution
[05:14] <loula> it lets you take control but your friend still sees what you do
[05:14] <loula> (never tried it though)
[05:15] <AHemlocksLie> I assume he can still do things if he wants? So like I *could* control and lend a hand if need be, but he can still do things
[09:28] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:28] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:29] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:31] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:33] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:33] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:33] <Unit193> xubuntu85d: Dude, seriously stop repeating yourself.  Also seek voyager support for help with Voyager.
[10:50] <RadiantNova> hello
[10:50] <RadiantNova> i am reading the terminal documentation here http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/command-line
[10:51] <RadiantNova> but all of the commands are coming back as "command not found"
[10:52] <diogenes_> RadiantNova, whar command?
[10:53] <RadiantNova> -h
[10:53] <RadiantNova> -v
[10:53] <RadiantNova> --help
[10:53] <RadiantNova> i am new to linux
[10:53] <diogenes_> this is not a command
[10:53] <RadiantNova> oh
[10:54] <diogenes_> this is just an argument for a command
[10:54] <Unit193> That's talking about xfce4-terminal --help
[10:54] <RadiantNova> i am migrating from windows
[10:55] <diogenes_> haha is windows still alive?
[10:55] <RadiantNova> and would like to learn how to perform various actions through the command line
[10:55] <RadiantNova> just basic ones to start with
[10:56] <diogenes_> RadiantNova, linux gets more and more user friendly so for and everage user there's no even need to touvh the terminal anymire
[10:56] <RadiantNova> im sick of the new versions of windows
[10:58] <RadiantNova> id like to learn to navigate the system in terminal, i want to well versed enough to try on archlinux or gentoo some day
[10:59] <RadiantNova> so say i use cd /home
[10:59] <RadiantNova> i can then run a program from that directory?
[10:59] <diogenes_> RadiantNova, then you have to put on your reading glasses, buy a lot of coffee and read a lot of stuff
[11:00] <RadiantNova> check check check
[11:36] <xubuntu07w> Hi, I have installed xfce4 on my intel chromebook. I am now stuck on xscreensaver 5.15 local host. I can't cchanchage user to root or any other user as my current directory is /home/Daniel it won't accept my password for Daniel. The power button is no responding so I can't even re-boot to . Entire laptop is currently useless
[11:43] <RadiantNova> same here
[11:43] <RadiantNova> im having this problem as well
[11:44] <RadiantNova> the root part i mean
[11:51] <RadiantNova> alright guys
[11:51] <RadiantNova> i successfully learned how to change directory
[11:52] <RadiantNova> now i would like to learn how to find out, in terminal, all of the files listed within that directory
[11:52] <RadiantNova> i cannot find the command to do this in documentation
[11:53] <xubuntu68w> Help. Completely stuck on xscreensaver
[11:54] <RadiantNova> xubuntu68w, what is xscreensaver?
[11:57] <xubuntu68w> I installed Linux crouton on my chromebook, and now it is stuck on the xscreensaver 5.15 it doesn't accept my password and I can't change user either. Laptop won't power down either totally stuck
[11:58] <RadiantNova> remove battery?
[11:59] <xubuntu68w> No battery access, only little screws on back
[12:00] <RadiantNova> unplug it?
[12:04] <xubuntu68w> The Linux system doesn't use much power, it's already been a couple days and is chrome  would have have emptied the battery already b
[12:05] <xubuntu68w> Chrome Os would finished the battery by now, Linux doesn't need much battery I could be waiting a long time and after that it still might be stuck on it
[12:08] <RadiantNova> wow really?
[12:08] <RadiantNova> i didnt know that
[12:08] <RadiantNova> phew
[12:08] <RadiantNova> well
[12:08] <RadiantNova> there has to be a battery in that thing
[12:08] <RadiantNova> im sure it would take you less than a couple days to pop a few screws out
[12:08] <RadiantNova> come on now
[12:10] <xubuntu68w> Is there any other way other than unplugging the battery, which in my case would probably invalidate my warranty
[12:12] <xubuntu68w> Alright, I'll unscrew and see. As this chromebook is completely dead until this is resolved
[12:13] <JuJUBee> I have been using the glmatrix screensaver lately but it stopped working and I cannot figure out why.  Any help?
[12:14] <Bagira79> Hello there!
[12:16] <Bagira79> I've just installed Xubuntu before and Win7 next. Now Grub doesn't appear at bootup, so I can't use Xubuntu. What can I do?
[12:16] <Unit193> I'd boot live, chroot into the Xubuntu system, install and update grub, reboot.
[12:20] <Bagira79_> Re
[12:21] <Bagira79_> Did anyone react to my question?
[12:22] <Unit193> I did, but not sure if it's useful to you: [07:16:50] < Unit193> I'd boot live, chroot into the Xubuntu system, install and update grub, reboot.    Generally speaking, you want to install Linux second.
[12:22] <JuJUBee> Bagira79_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/83771/recovering-grub-after-installing-windows-7
[12:23] <Bagira79_> Ok, thx. What should I type in Terminal?
[12:23] <xubuntu20w> Hi
[12:24] <RadiantNova> forget your warranty
[12:24] <xubuntu20w> Volume control is missing in my xubuntu.How can I restore it?
[12:24] <Unit193> JuJUBee: There's likely something in the log at ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log, or you can try to launch it directly from the terminal and see what issue it gives.
[12:24] <JuJUBee> Unit193, when I run from cli I get : xscreensaver: 07:18:33: already running on display :0.0 (window 0x2601e47) from process 2654
[12:25] <Unit193> JuJUBee: I meant glmatrix, /usr/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix  Good to know xscreensaver is actually running though.
[12:26] <JuJUBee> Unit193, glmatrix: couldn't create GL context for visual 0x24.
[12:27] <Unit193> I'd tell you to restart X/lightdm, but not sure that helps you.  Any mesa or other X updates recently?
[12:28] <Unit193> At least you know more precisely the issue is.
[12:29] <JuJUBee> Unit193, no, just some gtk stuff.  Was trying to install "draw on screen" app
[12:30] <JuJUBee> Unit193, think I am gonna restart, just reinstalled xscreensaver and glmatrix
[12:32] <xubuntu76w> Hi
[12:34] <Unit193> xubuntu76w: Howdy.  If indicator-sound and xfce4-indicator-plugin are installed, and the panel has the indicator plugin added, then perhaps restart the panel (Alt+F2 → xfce4-panel -r)
[12:34] <JuJUBee> Unit193, that seems to have done it... working now
[12:35] <Unit193> JuJUBee: I hit some glx crap like that, glxgears also didn't work, etc.  Only thing I knew for it was restarting Xorg.  Good that you got it working again. :)
[12:35] <RadiantNova> howcome alt+f2 doesnt work on mine?
[12:35] <RadiantNova> is it the keyboard?
[12:36] <xubuntu76w> I've accidentaly removed indicator from the panel
[12:36] <Unit193> Check keyboard shortcuts, it's a default one but can change.  It's supposed to open up xfce4-appfinder -c
[12:37] <Unit193> xubuntu76w: Ctrl+right click → Panel → Panel preferences
[12:37] <xubuntu76w> I cannot control volume power now.
[12:37] <xubuntu76w> what next?
[12:37] <Unit193> Items, then make sure 'indicator plugin' is in the list.
[12:42] <xubuntu76w> thanks for your help,guys.
[12:45] <xubuntu76w> one more question.Is there a quick way to download all language packs into a files/files so I can install them offline after format?
[13:11] <xubuntu94w> Hi is there anyone around with experience of xfce and xscreensaver?  Thanks
[13:15] <xubuntu94w> Xscreensaver doesn't accept my password and does not allow me to change user to root or any user. It says says couldn't excite gdmflexiserver no such file or directory current directory is /home/danie
[13:20] <Unit193> You can likely still get to a TTY and login there, but if your password is wrong that won't let you in either.
[13:21] <Unit193> That is also why we should always use  the wrapper for starting it, /usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh
[13:24] <Unit193> Yakkety and above use it, at least xfce4-session should.
[17:55] <dmt420> how do i fix this error
[17:55] <dmt420> https://i.imgur.com/9QJw727.png
[18:00] <flocculant> dmt420: I'd first try using a windows machine to fix whatever that finds wrong with it
[18:12] <dmt420> i have
[18:12] <dmt420> doesnt work
[18:15] <flocculant> dmt420: so what else have you tried?
[18:16] <flocculant> is it supposed to have data on it?
[18:34] <dmt420> yes
[19:40] <triode132> does gparted show the volume and formatting details?
[19:41] <digbychicken> triode132, yes.
[19:55] <triode132> ime, ive never been able to fix recognizing formatting signatures without backing up the contents, wiping the drive and reformatting.
[19:56] <triode132> *fix errors
[20:30] <NeoTiger13> Xubuntu is amazeballs. ;o
[20:32] <NeoTiger13>  /msg NickServ SETPASS NeoTiger13 lgpdwubibnuh Gre.merlin.13!!
[20:33] <NeoTiger13>  /msg NickServ SETPASS NeoTiger13 lgpdwubibnuh Gre.merlin.13!!
[21:00] <nsh> kk
[21:11] <xubuntu41w> hi guys, just a little help, what cmd to find out what version of linux i have
[21:11] <diogenes_> uname -a
[21:13] <xubuntu41w> sorry, just new at it, trying to download a software but not sure which version to download
[21:14] <diogenes_> xubuntu41w, there are more that one way to install software
[21:14] <xubuntu41w> 4.4.0-64-generic  does that mean 64 bit? thanks
[21:15] <knome> xubuntu41w, no, that is just the kernel version
[21:15] <diogenes_> 1. to look in synaptic or software center 2. to go to the software official site and look for available package for linux 3. look github for source
[21:15] <knome> xubuntu41w, what does "uname -i" say?
[21:16] <xubuntu41w> i686
[21:16] <knome> xubuntu41w, but for installing software, you'll want to use the software center
[21:16] <diogenes_> xubuntu41w, it means you have 32 bit version
[21:16] <diogenes_> so you have to install 32 bit
[21:16] <diogenes_> software
[21:17] <xubuntu41w> aprciate guys, just start in a new software course and im following the instructions, thanks
[21:19] <xubuntu41w> i have two options of a software to download, first says x86/x64 the second says ARM, not sure which one
[21:20] <xubuntu41w> have you guys heard of nodejs
[21:29] <xubuntu41w> Errors were encountered while processing:  runit  git-daemon-run E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) just thought i did but got that, any ideas
[21:34] <xubuntu09w> Errors were encountered while processing:  runit  git-daemon-run E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:34] <xubuntu09w> any ideas
[21:36] <xubuntu09w> please
[21:40] <xubuntu09w> trying to install nodejs


[01:02] <twb> joshk: you know that you don't need to add the preseed file to the iso to simply USE it, right?
[01:03] <twb> You can just say file=http://foo/bar
[07:56] <icebird> hi
[13:26] <ebel> I'm customising the install cd to include extra packages, but it won't all fit on one CD. How can I split it into 2 CDs and have a 'insert disc 2' step in the installer?
[13:53] <twb> ebel: why not just use a DVD?
[13:54] <ebel> twb, because I need to use this to install ubuntu on hundreds of second hand PCs that have been donated and I can't rely on a DVD drive
[13:55] <twb> ebel: these are in a controlled environment?
[13:55] <ebel> twb, pretty much.
[13:56] <twb> Probably easiest to use network install -- they have NICs?
[13:56] <ebel> Yeah we're doing a network install aswell.
[13:56] <ebel> In fact some of the machines don't have cd drives, and cd drives break a lot.
[13:57] <ebel> However we also need to be able to send out the discs so people can reinsatll.
[13:57] <ebel> This is for a charity that sends second hand computers to schools in Africa.
[13:57] <twb> Ah, OK
[13:58] <ebel> So we're going to use a network install to install here, but we also need to have discs that can reinstall all the stuff.
[13:58] <twb> Well, you could just have a second CD which is just a file:/// apt repo
[13:58] <ebel> I was thinking about apt-cdrom yesterday
[13:58] <twb> But I'm not sure how you'd tell apt-cdrom to use it as an extra entry in sources.list
[13:59] <ebel> But wouldn't you need to log in after the installation to install the extra software?
[14:00] <ebel> i.e. I'd like if all the software was installed by the installer.
[14:00] <ebel> In one go.
[14:00] <twb> Right.
[14:01] <twb> I don't know how to do that, I'm afraid.
[14:01] <ebel> I think debian-cd/simple-cdd can make several CDs
[14:01] <ebel> But all that stuff is kinda complicated and debian specific.
[14:03] <ebel> thanks anyway twb
[14:04] <twb> Well, the alternate CD uses d-i still
[14:05] <ebel> Oh I should have mentioned that we're using dapper.
[14:05] <ebel> So we're using all that preseed/d-i/non-gui installer.
[14:06] <ebel> We're using dapper because (a) long term support and (b) these are second hand machines so dapper'll probably run better on them.
[14:06] <twb> Shrug
[14:06] <ebel> Actually we're basing it off edubuntu (cause it's going out to schools), and that had the non-gui installer for ages.
[22:13] <joshk> twb: that would require distributing vmware workstation with a web server
[22:13] <joshk> which i guess isn't incredibly terrible but it's kinda janky.
[22:14] <twb> It already comes with a DHCPd
[22:32] <joshk> true