[00:00] <sergiusens> mhall119, answer to one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-docviewer-dev/ubuntu-docviewer-app/trunk/revision/22
[00:00] <sergiusens> mhall119, answer to 2. uri-handler and ted
[00:01] <sergiusens> mhall119, it's a hard coded list in his code today
[00:03] <mhall119> ah, so it doesn't use the .desktop file's MimeType
[00:04] <sergiusens> mhall119, nope, in the future a click hook would register the handler, but it's not done yet
[00:06] <sergiusens> mhall119, here it is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/url-dispatcher/trunk.13.10/view/head:/service/dispatcher.c#L139
[00:20] <cyphermox> charles: poke.
[00:21] <charles> cyphermox, 2 minutes
[00:24] <charles> cyphermox: I'm about to MP a patch to show when bluetooth discovery is active
[00:24] <charles> cyphermox: which might help in testing
[00:24] <charles> cyphermox: I'm just now reviewing it before commit + push
[00:26] <cyphermox> ok
[00:26] <cyphermox> brb
[00:30] <charles> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/ubuntu-system-settings/show-when-bluetooth-is-scanning/+merge/187960
[00:32] <charles> cyphermox: if you test with that, the settings panel will give you a visual cue on when it thinks discovery mode is on
[00:51] <karni> unity8's run_on_device --setup now fails, problem around libblkid1 package, is this a known issue? https://pastebin.canonical.com/98112/
[00:52] <charles> cyphermox, I'm going to get dinner and drive home
[00:52] <charles> cyphermox, back in ~45
[00:53] <cyphermox> ok
[00:53] <karni> I've pinged lamont, who is the package mainter. In any case, this is pretty bad as you can easily test unity8 on the device. I need to EOD now, g'night folks!
[00:53] <karni> *can't
[00:53] <karni> Clearly, I'm tired ;)
[01:01] <karni> apt-get build-dep unity8 results in "dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 12927 package 'libblkid1'"
[01:01]  * karni EODs
[01:04] <karni> dpkg --clear-avail is the remedy
[01:04] <karni> unless it ends with.. Bus error (core dumped)hahahaa. What a day :)
[01:37] <cyphermox> charles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161088/
[01:37] <cyphermox> I see the discovery, that' s cool
[01:37] <cyphermox> but no luck with the actual pairing
[01:44] <charles> cyphermox: back
[01:44] <charles> cyphermox, interesting!
[01:45] <charles> cyphermox: you're building from source?
[01:45] <cyphermox> yeah
[01:45] <cyphermox> from your tree
[01:47] <charles> cyphermox, try adding this line and re-run:
[01:47] <charles> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161118/
[01:50] <cyphermox> building.
[02:08] <cyphermox> charles: where should I see that debug message?
[02:09] <charles> on the console, if you run system-settings from a shell
[02:09] <charles> cyphermox: ^
[02:12] <cyphermox> hrm.. it wasn' t showing
[02:12] <cyphermox> hold on
[02:14] <cyphermox> can' t keep it running, it just stops and doesn' t respond to touch
[02:14] <charles> wtf
[02:16] <charles> cyphermox, I can tailor the reject message for each method in the agent s.t. the log like you pasted in http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161088/ will show us which method is triggering the rejection
[02:16] <charles> cyphermox: one mo
[02:22] <cyphermox> ugh, I can't even run bluez-simple-agent as I normally could
[02:24] <charles> cyphermox: here's the new diff, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161201/
[02:24] <charles> cyphermox, :(
[02:32] <RobbyF> isn't there a friendly way of running ubuntu touch on desktop?
[02:32] <RobbyF> unity next or something
[02:34] <charles> cyphermox, any luck?
[02:34] <cyphermox> building, but this will help
[02:46] <cyphermox> charles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161259/
[02:47] <charles> cyphermox, now we're cooking
[02:47] <charles> that's very useful
[02:48] <charles> cyphermox, are you going to be around for awhile? I'll cook up another revision
[02:48] <charles> otherwise we can resume this tomorrow morning
[02:49] <charles> also, do you have an amazon link for your make / model?
[02:49] <cyphermox> charles: sure
[02:54] <charles> yours is poking the Agent in a way I wasn't able to test with the two headsets I've got here
[02:55] <charles> so that's great to find one that can exercise that code path
[02:57] <cyphermox> awesome
[02:57] <cyphermox> it' s expecting a pin that' s for sure
[02:59] <charles> does your headset use a default pin, such as 0000 or 1234?
[03:07] <cyphermox> yup
[03:07] <cyphermox> 0000
[03:19] <charles> cyphermox: it doesn't feel right passing along untested code, but... lp:~charlesk/ubuntu-system-settings/bluetooth-pin
[03:20] <cyphermox> think of it as I am testing it for you ;)
[03:39] <cyphermox> seemed to work for a second... but now I get the same errors again
[03:39] <cyphermox> rebooting to try this again
[03:39] <charles> cyphermox: same errors in the bluetooth log?
[03:39] <charles> do you mean, same agent errors? or same problem with bluetooth on the device, outside of settings?
[03:42] <cyphermox> charles: yeah, same errors throughout
[03:43] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161383/
[03:44] <charles> cyphermox: you're sure this paste is from the bluetooth-pin branch, right?
[03:45] <cyphermox> I merged it in
[03:45] <cyphermox> ah, wait a second
[03:45] <cyphermox> I failed, I think
[03:46] <charles> it's like the agent is getting a device request before the adapter knows about the device
[03:46] <charles> ah, ok
[03:46] <charles> good :D
[03:47] <Gee19> hola
[03:48] <Gee19> quick question, can I still use my phone for calls after installing ubuntu touch?
[03:50] <Gee19> Found it in the FAQ for anyone wondering. https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[04:09] <cyphermox> charles: your pair button doesn' t work :)
[04:11] <charles> lol, js not qt
[04:13] <charles> cyphermox: good news, no recompile needed, it's a qml-only change
[04:13] <charles> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161435/
[04:13] <charles> (I hope)
[04:15] <pitti> Laney, ogra_: so it seems we have all pieces together in bug 1227520 now
[04:17] <cyphermox> charles: it helps, but it doesn' t work
[04:17] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:16:53 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [  294.352907] l2cap_sock_connect: failed -115
[04:17] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:16:53 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[1776]: No agent available for request type 0
[04:17] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:16:53 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[1776]: PIN code negative reply: Operation not permitted
[04:17] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:16:53 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[1776]: Connection refused (111)
[04:17] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:16:58 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[1776]: Discovery session 0x40146088 with :1.54 activated
[04:17] <cyphermox> starting to think there may be a hardware issue there.
[04:19] <cyphermox> trying on the maguro now for a change
[04:21] <charles> that's AUTH_TYPE_PINCODE in bluez
[04:26] <charles> cyphermox, I'll be back in ~10 minutes to check in, and then I need to call it a night
[04:27] <charles> cyphermox: if you try the maguro, let me know how it goes
[04:27] <charles> also, please pm me the make & model for the headset that's triggering the new code
[04:33] <cyphermox> charles: not any more help... maguro fails as much
[04:33] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:32:41 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[678]: No agent available for request type 0
[04:33] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:32:41 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[678]: PIN code negative reply: Operation not permitted
[04:33] <cyphermox> Sep 27 04:32:41 ubuntu-phablet bluetoothd[678]: Connection refused (111)
[04:33] <cyphermox> the headset in a Sennheiser MM200. It' s not longer available anywhere that I know, in case you were trying to find one ;)
[04:43] <charles> cyphermox: oh my, that's expensive
[04:43] <charles> cyphermox: $80 used on amazon
[04:44] <charles> cyphermox: let's cycle through a couple more tests tomorrow morning
[04:44] <cyphermox> sure
[04:44] <charles> I'll be back in 9 hrs
[04:45] <cyphermox> I' ll try to figure out what' s up with the bluez scripts to see if I can compare what happens\
[04:45] <cyphermox> yeah... I' ll go to bed as well
[04:46] <charles> cyphermox: but the pin dialog is popping up & prompting for input on both headsets?
[04:46] <cyphermox> yeah for both mako and maguro
[04:47] <charles> ok. so maybe we've just got a malformed reply somehow
[04:47] <cyphermox> and the Pair button does work, just fails to pair with teh errors above
[04:47] <charles> ok, that narrows it down
[04:47] <charles> we'll take up there again in the morning :)
[04:47] <cyphermox> ok!
[04:47] <charles> cyphermox: thanks very much for doing this testing
[04:47] <charles> night
[07:00] <skaman> hi guys, anyone know if there's any plan in canonical to support Nexus 7 3G 32GB? it stopped working after ubuntu touch was 'flipped'
[07:59] <ogra_> pitti, awesome, i'll take care to get it in
[07:59] <pitti> ogra_: thanks; please let me know if/when I should upload
[07:59] <pitti> ogra_: und -- guten Morgen!
[08:01] <mohammmad> hi everyone
[08:01] <ogra_> pitti, moin moin :)
[08:01] <mohammmad> can anyone guide me about Installing Ubunti in tab 2 p3100
[08:02] <mohammmad> can anyone guide me about Installing Ubunti in tab 2 p3100]
[08:02] <mohammmad> hello
[08:02] <mohammmad> hello
[08:02] <mohammmad> hello
[08:02] <mohammmad> hello
[08:03] <pitti> ogra_: actually, now that saucy is frozen,  if you want I can upload them right now, and you can accept them from +unapproved at a  convenient time
[08:03] <ogra_> pitti, i think touch isnt blocked
[08:03] <popey> mohammmad: hello
[08:03] <popey> mohammmad: is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ?
[08:03] <pitti> ogra_: whole saucy is frozen
[08:04] <mohammmad> yes it is
[08:04] <ogra_> pitti, we have a landing team meeting in 30min, i'll bring it up there, you should be fine to upload afterwards
[08:04] <mohammmad> but i dont how i can do it in right way
[08:04] <pitti> ogra_: ok; cjwatson wanted some fix in udev-udeb, I'll get that in by then (doesn't affect touch)
[08:04] <ogra_> pitti, touch packages are handled like universe packages by the release team, they just get approved
[08:04] <mohammmad> is it as rom to flash
[08:04] <pitti> ah, ok
[08:04] <mohammmad> or not
[08:05] <mohammmad> may you help me pitti
[08:06] <ogra_> pitti, since we gatekeep commits and uploads already (every slightly bigger sized commit needs to be verified against autopilot runs), adding another block in britney didnt seem appropriate
[08:06] <popey> mohammmad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p3100 has instructions
[08:06] <popey> mohammmad: linked from the page you were just on
[08:07] <mohammmad> thank's let me see
[08:10] <mohammmad> popey in instruction #2 tell me to download one of the image. can you tell me which image file should be download? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[08:11] <mohammmad> are you there?
[08:11] <popey> mohammmad: patience dude!
[08:11] <popey> mohammmad: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[08:11] <cjwatson> cwayne: The Python interface to click isn't stable, and in particular I expect to rewrite in C at some point (after 13.10).  You should probably use "click list" or "click list --manifest".
[08:12] <mohammmad> ok bro thanks a lot
[08:12] <popey> np
[08:14] <seb128> ogra_, pitti: hey, I'm not sure, but from glancing on -release yesterday evening, stgraber got a bot that autoaccept touch packages uploads
[08:14] <seb128> so those are virtually unfrozen
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: ah, good to know
[08:14] <cjwatson> sergiusens: click_copy - right, it got autodeployed.  Do you still plan to move that to ~ubuntu-cdimage at some point?
[08:14] <ogra_> seb128, yeah
[08:14] <cjwatson> achiang: 13.10.1> I don't think anyone's told the release team that.  Or do you just mean for touch?
[08:15] <ogra_> seb128, makes no sense to have two places blocking packages (though i'D prefer britney to the spreadsheet)
[08:15] <seb128> ogra_, right, same...
[08:16] <cjwatson> pitti: sorry, I didn't get to that yesterday - shall I work up a patch?
[08:16] <pitti> cjwatson: referring to udev-udeb? I'm currently at it (rather simple, and Debian has it fixed already)
[08:18] <popey> Mirv / bzoltan is the sdk a bit buggered at the moment? It's not updating nicely here.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6161910/
[08:18] <mohammmad> does anyone khonw about the best custom rom with 2 boot for tab 2 p3100
[08:19] <ogra_> popey, that looks like xnox' seed change :/
[08:19] <popey> i can fix it locally of course, just wondering how many others will get this
[08:21] <xnox> popey: i'm confused how you are installing it. Can I see the full apt-get run?
[08:21] <popey> not any more
[08:21] <popey> it was a dist-upgrade
[08:21] <xnox> popey: anything in /var/log/apt* ?
[08:21] <robjh> Does the touch interface work like a normal desktop environment? ie, could you run full unity on a tablet's screen and essentially use it as a netbook? or use the touch UI on a touch sensitive laptop running full ubuntu?
[08:22] <popey> xnox: i ended up having to remove the old u1db package (and ubuntu-sdk & libs and -dev) and then reinstall
[08:22] <AskUbuntu> Can someone help me port a gameboy emulator to ubuntu touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/350663
[08:22] <xnox> popey: let me see if I can reproduce it here locally.
[08:23] <popey> xnox: I may well have had a u1db package from testing some time back
[08:23] <xnox> popey: it looks like you are mixing quantal ppa ? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/qtdeclarative5-u1db1.0_0.1.5+13.10.20130916-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[08:23] <xnox>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/U1db/libU1DBPlugin.so', which is also in package libu1db-qt5-1 0.1.4bzr89quantal0
[08:24] <popey> xnox: possibly. ignore me for now then ☻
[08:25] <cjwatson> pitti: OK, cool
[08:25] <cjwatson> thanks
[08:26] <xnox> ogra_: popey: qtdeclarative5-u1db1.0 in ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers raring version is higher than version in ubuntu saucy. which is bad.
[08:27] <xnox> (unless intended to be that way)
[08:27] <ogra_> xnox, in the archive ?
[08:27] <popey> no, in a ppa
[08:27] <ogra_> phew
[08:27] <xnox> ogra_: ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily/raring >> archive/ubuntu
[08:27] <ogra_> yeah
[08:27] <xnox> ogra_: which is very odd.
[08:27] <popey> so i wonder if we should remove that package now it's in the archive
[08:27] <popey> that package pre-dates it being in the archive by some way
[08:28] <ogra_> yeah, drop it
[08:28] <popey> k
[08:28] <ogra_> popey, are there other libs in the archive ?
[08:28] <xnox> popey: they all should be on saucy now? (coreapps project)?
[08:29] <popey> yeah, although someone somewhere maybe testing on raring
[08:29]  * ogra_ senses that we had your package installed on all images yet, since we pull directly from that PPA
[08:30] <popey> well that's unpleasant
[08:30] <popey> we need to stop jenkins publishing to that. I'll grab fginther when he awakens
[08:31] <Laney> pitti: sorry missed that - good stuff! are you taking care of uploading or need some help there?
[08:32] <xnox> ogra_: popey: so in archive/saucy qtdeclarative5-u1db1.0 depends on libu1db-qt5-3 and is installable.
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: I'm waiting for ogra's "go ahead"
[08:32] <ogra_> (if it is also in the saucy pocket)
[08:33] <Mirv> popey: it updated fine for me, but there was a sdk meta package update on saucy last night
[08:34] <Mirv> ...as discussed
[08:51] <ogra_> popey, there is a 67 :)
[08:53] <popey> huzzah
[08:53]  * popey flashes
[09:00] <ogra_> pitti, so didrocks has to nod off the timezone change for us to move on, he is the gatekeeper atm ... its sadly a big change that needs a bunch of coordination in different places
[09:02] <ogra_> pitti, line 83 in "Landing Plan" on https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=0 if you want to monitor progress
[09:03] <pitti> ogra_: wow, this requires more signoffs than a heart surgery these days :)
[09:04] <ogra_> pitti, yeah :/
[09:04] <Laney> we are agile
[09:05] <pitti> so much for ~core-dev superpowers :)
[09:16] <popey> ogra_: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-27-101626.png seen that before? Messed up popup?
[09:17] <ogra_> popey, nope, but that might explain the random failures we see with the notes-app tests .... asac ^^^^
[09:18] <asac> maybe
[09:19] <ogra_> ah, finally ...
[09:19]  * popey files https://bugs.launchpad.net/notes-app/+bug/1231880 anyway
[09:19]  * ogra_ sees 67 on the dashboard
[09:20] <popey> Ooh ooh!
[09:21] <ogra_> popey, tell bfiller about the bug, iirc his team looks into fixing the flaky tests
[09:22] <popey> k
[09:22] <karlo_> does ubuntu hawe gsm support for gsm?
[09:22] <popey> gsm support for gsm?
[09:22] <popey> It supports GSM, yes.
[09:22] <popey> ogra_: the welcome screen is now hooked up to sms, phone calls and photos too!
[09:22] <karlo_> can i make calls with ubuntu on my galaxy s3?
[09:22] <lool> dbarth_: I've put cordova stuff in the meta for next image build (not in #67 though)
[09:22] <ogra_> popey, cool !
[09:22] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices karlo_ check that list
[09:23] <ogra_> lool, the sheet still says 69
[09:24] <karlo_> how can i flash it on phone?
[09:26] <popey> karlo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[09:27] <karlo_> cool thanks
[09:27] <karlo_> so it is the same method as flashing android
[09:28] <cwayne> pete-woods: saw the merge went in, great stuff!
[09:28] <pete-woods> cwayne: :)
[09:28] <cwayne> now i just need to actually figure out a color theme :P
[09:29] <pete-woods> cwayne: well I'm a programmer so can't help you with that sort of thing (apparently) ;)
[09:29] <lool> ogra_: hadn't put anything, but it's uploaded
[09:29] <cwayne> pete-woods: lol i know right?  i know like 8 colors, so this is gonna be interesting
[09:30] <popey> ogra_: 67 seems pretty good to me. But will wait to confirm any automated tests before giving final nod
[09:30] <ogra_> popey, yeah
[09:30] <ogra_> the changelog is huge this time
[09:30] <popey> \o/
[09:30] <cwayne> makes sense according to the landing plan
[09:30] <popey> lemme know if you want anything confirming
[09:31] <ogra_> yeah
[09:31]  * ogra_ waits for maguro to finish flashing ...
[09:33] <victorp> oSoMoN, ping
[09:36] <Laney> ogra_: bug #1227530 is seeded on touch
[09:36] <Laney> bug #1227630
[09:46]  * ogra_ wonders if ramsamsam reader will ever start to work
[09:50] <oSoMoN> victorp: pong
[09:53] <jibel> ogra_, upstart job mtp-server-bootup.conf should preserve existing properties and prepend mtp if it is not already here, right?
[09:54] <jibel> I think current version resets any existing property
[09:56] <ogra_> jibel, hmm, it shouldnt, which one ?=
[09:57] <jibel> ogra_, in mtp 0.0.1+13.10.20130918-0ubuntu1
[09:57] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# getprop sys.usb.config
[09:57] <ogra_> mtp,adb
[09:58] <ogra_> jibel, i meant which property :)
[09:58] <jibel> ogra_, yes but if you have sys.usb.config = XXX,YYY,adb this job sets mtp,adb
[09:58] <ogra_> right, XXX and YYY need to be defined :)
[09:59] <ogra_> jibel, and there are mutually exclusive options you cant set together
[09:59] <ogra_> (rndis and mtp for example dont seem to be supported)
[10:00] <ogra_> jibel, feel free to submit an MP for XXX and/or YYY suppport
[10:00] <jibel> ogra_, okay, only adb is supported with mpt?
[10:00] <ogra_> they need to go into the pre-start scripts case statement
[10:01] <jibel> mtp sorry
[10:01] <mpt> I love adb
[10:01] <mpt> but supporting it is going too far
[10:01] <ogra_> well, in the init.rc files i never saw mtp set at the same time as rndis ... which makes me think they are exclusive
[10:02] <ogra_> feel free to try what happens :)
[10:02] <ogra_> (with setprop)
[10:02] <Laney> so can I sync grilo or does it need to go through the fun mill?
[10:02] <ogra_> Laney, get approval from core app people (mhall119 or popey) and didrocks
[10:03] <Laney> it's not my sync
[10:03] <Laney> sponsoring it for ricotz
[10:04] <ogra_> Laney, also askinng in #ubuntu-ci-eng might be faster than having someone proxy the request from here
[10:05] <Laney> I'm already in 60 channels
[10:11] <xnox> ogra_: so specifying cortex-a8 CPU makes things better, but somehow I now get "RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0."
[10:12] <ogra_> hmm, got a full dmesg ?
[10:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:13] <xnox> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162177/
[10:13] <xnox> ogra_: i wonder to unpack ramdisk onto MMC card / ext2 and boot it that way?!
[10:13]  * xnox goes to repack initramfs.
[10:16] <duflu> Hey what's the latest trick for turning off surfaceflinger startup?
[10:17] <popey> touch /home/phablet/.display-mir
[10:17] <popey> isnt it?
[10:18]  * duflu tries
[10:25] <janimo> is there a bzr branch corresponding to the packaged libhybris (that is not the import of the upstream github repo) ?
[10:26] <lool> janimo: lp:libhybris/ubuntu apparently
[10:26] <janimo> lool, thanks
[10:29] <janimo> lool, that is the repo of packaging though, not one with both upstream and debian/ which could be use instead of the source package
[10:33] <xnox> janimo: lp:ubuntu/libhybris the auto-import from the ubuntu archive ?!
[10:34] <ogra_> xnox, other way round
[10:34] <ogra_> lp:libhybris/ubuntu is the branch carrying the changes against upstream
[10:34] <ogra_> janimo, iirc "bzr bd" should get you the upstream source pulled in
[10:34] <janimo> ogra_, actually I want the full package contents as a bzr repo
[10:34] <janimo> what xnox linked too seems to be it
[10:35] <ogra_> thats the UDD branch after upload
[10:35] <janimo> ogra_, I wanted to see if there's a way of getting it all with a single bzr branch (and subsequent bzr pulls)
[10:35] <janimo> with no other command, so disregarding it is a package at all
[10:36] <ogra_> well, its in CI i think and completely using bzr bd
[10:37] <ogra_> (so to get a "trunk" package you need to use the above branch ... if the UDD one doesnt differ i doubt it matters though)
[10:53] <daker> popey: can you test something for me ?
[10:54] <popey> sure think daker
[11:00] <daker> popey: open this http://bit.ly/197vAN8 on the webbrowser, try to type something on the email input
[11:02] <daker> popey: see if the keyboard is a normal keyboard
[11:03] <daker> popey: i just want to see if the keyboard change based on the input type(HTML5 inputs: tel, email, url)
[11:06] <popey> daker: on a call at the moment, but will do when i get off
[11:06] <daker> tyt
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: on the phone open search on the home scope,  type in abba, wait for it to display results, open one that is on U1, it opens the browser login, then play the preview, do you see the popup for proceed anyway on every track and does the progress bar under the track move at all?
[11:13] <mandel> barry, ping
[11:26] <davmor2> ogra_: mtp transfers do you have a bigish folder 150+ meg with more than one folder inside it.  I an Adele directory with 4 subdirectories in .ubuntuone that I'm trying to transfer and it diesn't seem to like it.  I'll see if I have something similar is there a useful log anywhere I can grab though?
[11:27] <popey> davmor2: i get a crash in the browser and unity when I do that
[11:27] <ogra_> davmor2, look in ~/.cache/upstart/ file a bug and assign to cyphermox ...
[11:28] <davmor2> ogra_: man cyphermox is gonna love me if I keep breaking all his stuff :)
[11:29] <cwayne_> pete-woods, hey, any idea when libusermetrics will land? i didnt see it on the spreadsheet
[11:30] <pete-woods> cwayne: I'm waiting to try and land it for some security stuff I'm dealing with with the security team
[11:30] <pete-woods> cwayne: that shouldn't take too long, though
[11:31] <cwayne_> Saviq, ping
[11:31] <Saviq> cwayne_, pong
[11:31] <cwayne_> pete-woods, makes perfect sense, thanks
[11:32] <cwayne_> Saviq, hey, i was wondering if we have any update on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sevilerow/+bug/1229144
[11:32] <cwayne_> Saviq, that bug is a huge blocker for demos
[11:33] <Saviq> cwayne_, it's a Qt bug we've a potential fix for, waiting to hear back from Qt guys
[11:33] <cwayne_> Saviq, ok, are these guys generally responsive?  if not, is it something that we can carry the fix for if we absolutely have to?
[11:34] <Saviq> cwayne_, yeah, we should know early next week
[11:34] <Saviq> cwayne_, they're at a conference now
[11:34] <Saviq> cwayne_, and if we get no response by then, we'll distro-patch ourselves anyway
[11:35] <cwayne_> Saviq, great, that's exactly what i needed :) thanks!
[11:35] <Saviq> cwayne_, cheers
[11:35] <robotfuel> does anyone know who I can ping to triage ubuntu-ui-toolkit bugs?
[11:36] <cwayne_> robotfuel, maybe zsombi or bzoltan
[11:37] <lised> ok so will Touch be installed on older android devices? I'd so much like to get rid of android on my Galaxy tab and alcatel mobile
[11:37] <zsombi> robofuel: I might help on that :)
[11:38] <zsombi> robotfuel: ^
[11:38] <zsombi> robotfuel: though I'll be 4 pretty short time available today...
[11:38] <robotfuel> zsombi: I have 2 new bugs 1231939 1231936
[11:41] <zsombi> robotfuel bug 1231939 is assigned to nic-doffay
[11:41] <zsombi> bug 1231936
[11:42] <AskUbuntu> by when should i expect a ubuntu tv ,phones and tablets in india? | http://askubuntu.com/q/350719
[11:42] <zsombi> robotfuel: seems the second one goes to him too...
[11:43] <robotfuel> zsombi: thanks!
[11:55] <lool> Is someone in particular looking after /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/upstart-app-launch/zg-report-app
[11:55] <lool> or zeitgeist stuff at large
[11:56]  * lool uploads a crash report
[11:58] <seb128> lool, mhr3
[11:58] <seb128> if anyone
[11:58] <seb128> if he doesn't, then nobody I would say
[11:59] <mhr3> ted is
[12:07] <Julinux> Alguém ai sabe como faço para install ubuntu touch em um p3110 wifi
[12:08] <Julinux> tentei seguindo os passos do xdadevelopers mas não foi
[12:09] <pitti> cyphermox: hey Mathieu, how are you?
[12:09] <pitti> cyphermox: I get NM crashes when I run ofono with the phonesim emulator; is it possible somehow to tell NM to ignore its ofono plugin, to work around that for the time being? (just for my tests, not in general of course)
[12:10] <Julinux> Alguém ai sabe como faço para install ubuntu touch em um p3110 wifi
[12:10] <Julinux> tentei seguindo os passos do xdadevelopers mas não foi
[12:12] <gatox> sil2100, ping... hi, i wanted to ask you if jenkins was running the tests for clickmanager-plugin and click-update-manager, because i thought that was running, but someone told me yesterday that jenkins was only checking the build is correct.... and i wanted to know if i need to write the debian/tests/control file to support that or something
[12:12] <sil2100> gatox: hi! You mean integration autopilot tests now, right?
[12:12] <cwayne_> is there any documentation for the QML bindings to libusermetrics?
[12:13] <decibyte> Trying to flash a Nexus 4, i get this message. Anyone know how to fix that? "ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way."
[12:14] <gatox> sil2100, yes..... autopilot and qmltestrunner for click-update-manager...... and the tests.pro for clickmanager-plugin
[12:16] <sil2100> gatox: tests.pro I guess should be ran during build already, since those are dealt by debhelper - but as for autopilot integration testing we'll have to add those to be ran in our daily-release process
[12:16] <sil2100> gatox: I'll take care of that
[12:16] <gatox> sil2100, awesome, thanks
[12:16] <gatox> sil2100, let me know if i can be of any help
[12:17] <Julinux> Anyone out there know how do I install ubuntu on a touch P3110 wifi
[12:18] <Julinux> I tried following the steps but was not xdadevelopers
[12:19] <davmor2> ogra_: on saucy the mtp copy issue goes away, apparently there were a lot of improvement in the new version,  however your pet peave of 3 windows appearing if you reboot the phone is back
[12:20] <ogra_> oh i havent tried that yet
[12:20] <cwayne_> davmor2, i'd say its more like 1000 windows
[12:20] <cwayne_> at least thats what it feels like
[12:20] <ogra_> yeah, we need to solve that differently, but i doubt the proper fix will make it to 13.10
[12:21] <ogra_> rsalveti, so in the light of the mtp annoyances we get due to user jobs being out of sync with system jobs i think we should plan a dbus service for 14.04 that allows the user to adjust properties (in a limited way)
[12:22] <oSoMoN> om26er: hey, can you please approve https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/empty-image-source-cache/+merge/188026 ?
[12:22] <cwayne_> oSoMoN, ping
[12:23] <rickspencer3> hey popey so, in 67 ... if your run a couple of click apps, can you get back to the dash?
[12:23] <popey> rickspencer3: yup
[12:23] <popey> rickspencer3: any in particular?
[12:24] <rickspencer3> popey, well, sometimes I get this effect where one of my apps just keeps popping to the front
[12:24] <rickspencer3> I drag out the launcher and click the dash button
[12:24] <rickspencer3> dash shows, then the app comes back to the top
[12:24] <popey> not seen that
[12:25] <rickspencer3> if I try enough times it finally starts working
[12:25] <Laney> hmm
[12:25] <Laney> is there a bug # for click app installation breaking if you navigate away while it's in progress?
[12:25] <rickspencer3> oops, crashed unity it looks like
[12:26] <cwayne_> Laney, hey, so it sounds like the timezone fix is almost ready to land?
[12:27] <Laney> cwayne_: yes, pitti has been working on it and it should go in today
[12:27] <Laney> Note that we still need lightdm / ubuntu-touch-session
[12:27] <pitti> just waiting on the "go"
[12:27] <Laney> AFAIK anyway
[12:27] <pitti> it seems landing stuff is rather hard these days
[12:28] <oSoMoN> cwayne_: pong
[12:28] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-session/0.76
[12:28] <seb128> Laney, those started landing it seems
[12:28] <Laney> seb128: nice
[12:28] <seb128> with some luck we are getting there today
[12:28] <Laney> oh, lightdm was already in proposed wasn't it?
[12:28] <seb128> yes
[12:28] <Laney> could be today then
[12:28] <Laney> :O!
[12:28] <seb128> Laney, did you get the pkla seeded?
[12:28] <Laney> yeah
[12:28] <seb128> excellent
[12:28] <ogra_> seb128, yup :)
[12:29] <ogra_> seb128, and the lightdm session
[12:29] <seb128> ogra_, did you resolve the issue with the app autopilot tests? what was it?
[12:29] <ogra_> running app tests after the unity test breaks the world
[12:29] <rickspencer3> I take it the regression in content hub was not fixed?
[12:29] <ogra_> if you run the app tests first and unity8 last all is fine
[12:29] <cwayne_> oSoMoN, hey, whats the format of the settings file to set browser homepage that you just landed?
[12:30] <davmor2> popey: music play is working funnily,  it plays if another app is in front of it but stops if the screen blanks however every now and again it will play about a seconds worth and then go quite again
[12:30] <seb128> rickspencer3, the fix was uploaded but it's virtually impossible to get fixes through with the new workflow :/
[12:30] <rickspencer3> seb128, I think that might be a bit of an overstatement
[12:30] <seb128> well, that's how most of us feels like
[12:31] <rickspencer3> seb128, when was the fix uploaded?
[12:31] <seb128> yesterday afternoon
[12:31] <seb128> but robru didn't test it correctly so it got blocked
[12:31] <seb128> well, even wrongly reverted
[12:32] <Julinux> Anyone out there know how do I install ubuntu on a touch P3110 wifi
[12:32] <Julinux> I tried following the steps but was not xdadevelopers
[12:32] <seb128> there are some many steps and people involved, it's impossible to follow up and see how to get things through
[12:32] <seb128> if you are not part of the secret cabal having calls to decide what happens to uploads from others at least
[12:36] <Julinux> Anyone out there know how do I install ubuntu on a touch P3110 wifi
[12:36] <Julinux> I tried following the steps but was not xdadevelopers
[12:37] <popey> Julinux: is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ? and the link should take you to a page with instructions if it is
[12:38] <Julinux> 've Followed these steps but it did not work.
[12:41] <Julinux> popey, 've Followed these steps but it did not work.
[12:44] <popey> Julinux: sorry, can't help. You might be better off explaining in detail what happened at askubuntu.com
[12:46] <Julinux> All be there
[12:46] <Julinux> thanks
[12:50] <AskUbuntu> phablet-flash: Installation is taking too long | http://askubuntu.com/q/350738
[12:51] <cyphermox> ogra_: any idea if there is a simple way to fix music-app which seems to not be finding any files atm?
[12:51] <ogra_> cyphermox, i think there is a mediascanner fix in flight
[12:51]  * ogra_ needs to check the spreadsheet
[12:52] <cyphermox> there was a mediascanner upload fifteen hours ago to the archive
[12:52] <ogra_> cjwatson, landing no. 50
[12:52] <ogra_> err
[12:52] <ogra_> cyphermox,
[12:53] <cyphermox> *sigh* it' s the latest upload alright
[12:53] <cyphermox> that' s what seems to have actually broke my music-app to not show files. before it was just not playing them
[12:55]  * cyphermox reverts
[13:05] <cyphermox> ogra_: thanks, I figured it out
[13:05] <cyphermox> seems like maybe my mediascanner was confused with its cache directory -- I deleted that, killed mediascanner-service and now thigns look good
[13:05] <ogra_> ah, great
[13:05] <cyphermox> bbl, going to the Montreal office
[13:07] <om26er> oSoMoN, approved. I looked into that part of the code. I experimented a bit with the image cacher here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~om26er/notes-app/dama/revision/193 that didn't work out
[13:07] <om26er> ofcourse that was just based on my zero-to-none knowledge of Qt
[13:08] <oSoMoN> cwayne_: (sorry I was out for lunch) simply put the following line in ~/.config/webbrowser-app/settings.conf: "homepage = http://example.org"
[13:08] <oSoMoN> cwayne_: ini file style
[13:08] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks, checking your experiments now
[13:09] <oSoMoN> om26er: retrying the download shouldn’t be needed
[13:11] <om26er> oSoMoN, well, I added alot of delays after the imageserver was started that didn;t work either. my conclusion was its a problem in the app for which I reported that bug
[13:12] <oSoMoN> om26er: yup, I think the conclusion is right
[13:12] <MacSlow> dednick, ping
[13:12] <oSoMoN> om26er: once the fix is merged (and fingers crossed it actually fixes the issue), can you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/standard-emulators/+merge/187865 ?
[13:13] <dednick> MacSlow: hi
[13:13] <om26er> oSoMoN, ok
[13:14] <cwayne_> oSoMoN, so i don't need like a [General] section or anything?
[13:17] <oSoMoN> cwayne_: no
[13:18] <cwayne_> oSoMoN, great, just tested it out, seems it's in today's image
[13:18] <cwayne_> oSoMoN, thanks!  (and sorry there's a likely chance it ends up getting changed as soon as the settings api lands :P )
[13:18] <oSoMoN> cwayne_: yup, it is
[13:19] <oSoMoN> cwayne_: afaiu, the settings api won’t land any time soon
[13:22] <oSoMoN> om26er: and while we are discussing reviews, would you have a moment to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/more-robust-test-server/+merge/188019 ?
[13:23] <om26er> oSoMoN, sure, I think I have better command over the socket server now after yesterday's 6hour long failed attempts :p
[13:24] <ogra_> hmm, intresting, under Mir the gallery app doesnt come up if i want to select a background from the system-settings
[13:30] <daubers> Question: I'm currently waiting for phablet-flash to finish and my phone screen now has a question about "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot" with lots of no options and a yes option
[13:30] <daubers> do I wait for this to go away or do something?
[13:32] <davmor2> cyphermox: I see dead people^w music files, I did have to reboot the phone for them to show up though
[13:33] <popey> daubers: is it a Galaxy Nexus?
[13:33] <daubers> popey: Indeed
[13:34] <popey> hmm, ogra_ do you know? ^^
[13:34] <seb128> is the video player supposed to work on grouper?
[13:34] <ogra_> seb128, no
[13:34] <seb128> ogra_, thanks
[13:36] <daubers> popey: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2166921&page=35 suggests hitting "go back"
[13:37] <mhall119> Laney: only 60 channels?
[13:37] <popey> daubers: interesting, i dont have a gnex so haven't seen this before..
[13:37] <mhall119> Laney: did you still need help with qtgrilo?
[13:37] <ogra_> popey, hmm, no, no idea, never seen that
[13:38] <mhall119> ogra_: video used to work on grouper, just not audio
[13:38] <ogra_> mhall119, tablets are completely out of focus since a month or so ... if it works it is a matter of luck
[13:39] <ogra_> mhall119, also note that video playback doesnt work anywhere atm ... until the new multimedia stack lands
[13:39] <ogra_> (that might or might not make grouper work ... if it doesnt, this isnt a priority for 13.10)
[13:39] <ogra_> (at least thats how i understood it)
[13:40] <ogra_> daubers, can you pastebin the whole terminal output of your phablet-flash run ?
[13:42] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> Hi. I tried to install OpenSSH as suggested here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes), but I get the error "E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/". Have you any ideas how to solve this?
[13:42] <popey> NewUbuntuTouchUs: the filesystem is read only now
[13:42] <popey> I'll update that page
[13:42] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> popey: Do you mean by read-only that I cannot write anything to the file system?
[13:43] <popey> NewUbuntuTouchUs: no, root filesystem is initially read-only
[13:43] <popey> NewUbuntuTouchUs: you can make it RW, but you lose the ability to do OTA updates
[13:44] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> popey: What would I lose with OTA updates exactly?
[13:44] <ogra_> fast upgrades
[13:44] <ogra_> 10x faster than apt ...
[13:44] <popey> you'd have to re-flash the phone or use apt to update it
[13:44] <ogra_> also apt has its limits on the ro images when made rw
[13:45] <ogra_> it will break eventually
[13:45] <mhall119> NewUbuntuTouchUs: you just have to choose between image-based updates and package-based updates
[13:45] <daubers> ogra_: Will rerun it in a bit! Hitting "Go Back" did indeed work out ok in the end
[13:45] <mhall119> depending on what you flash, you get one or the other
[13:46] <ogra_> daubers, ah, good
[13:46] <popey> ogra_: is cdimage-touch going away?
[13:47] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> With updates you are referring to the improvements of this Touch system from the current time point to a future time point? That is, you are not referring to the software packages compiled for arm that are currently available?
[13:47] <ogra_> right
[13:47] <ogra_> apt-dpkg is dsiabled by defaulz
[13:47] <ogra_> *default
[13:48] <ogra_> ubuntu touch uses .click packages for apps and is otherwise readonly
[13:49] <Laney> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grilo/+bug/1227630
[13:51] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> However, I have interest to play with the currently available software for ARM. Does this mean that for me it is better to use APT and lose OTA updates?
[13:54] <pitti> ogra_, Laney: so, timedate stuff on Monday?
[13:55] <cwayne_> pitti, so how would we change it from CLI once that lands?  is there a dbus call we can do or something?
[13:56] <cwayne_> phablet-config timezone i think is still useful to have as a tool (at least for our team, we have to change timezone based on where the demo is)
[13:56] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> If APT is disabled by default, how can I enable it?
[13:56] <pitti> cwayne_: you can use CLI (timedatectl) or call it on D-BUS
[13:56] <Laney> cwayne_: timedatectl has a set-time sub command
[13:56] <Laney> or d-bus
[13:56] <cjwatson> NewUbuntuTouchUs: touch /userdata/.writable_image
[13:56] <cjwatson> (and reboot)
[13:56] <Laney> pitti: I was kind of hoping for a devel image today
[13:57] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> cjwatson: I have already tried that. It gives: "touch: cannot touch ‘/userdata/.writable_image’: Permission denied"
[13:57] <pitti> Laney: well, apparently it's blocked on some loong process..
[13:57] <cjwatson> NewUbuntuTouchUs: as root
[13:57] <pitti> Laney: our landing queue gdocs seems to be like 100 items (yay velocity..)
[13:57] <Laney> pitti: I thought it was flowing through that
[13:57] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> cjwatson: Is it the same command but just adding "sudo" into the beginning?
[13:57] <cjwatson> NewUbuntuTouchUs: yes, if you're the phablet user
[13:58] <Laney> pitti: Oh, landing plan:83 says "needs didrocks approval"
[13:58] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> cjwatson: Oh, that did it indeed
[13:58] <pitti> Laney: but I really don't feel like uploading 4 critical packages and then leaving for the weekend
[13:58] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> cjwatson: I'll reboot and see what happens
[13:58] <ogra_> pitti, depends on multimedia, testing your stuff is horridly complicated since we need a locally rebuilt android etc
[13:58] <ahayzen> Hi all, i'm having an issue with Jenkins saying my merge needs fixing and i don't understand why. Can anyone help? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/fix-1229905/+merge/188049
[13:58] <pitti> ogra_: a rebuilt android? how's that?
[13:58] <Laney> might be best to leave it then
[13:59] <pitti> ogra_: did we need that for the previous livecd-rootfs changes?
[13:59] <ogra_> pitti, rule is to get your phone in the same state the commit would get you ...
[13:59] <ogra_> pitti, anmd then run the autopilot suite for the phone
[13:59] <ogra_> pitti, i'll try to hack the changes in manually without android rebuild, but that will still take a lot of time
[14:00] <pitti> well, ok; I just tested that by running the modified scripts on a writable image
[14:00] <ogra_> (android carries the initrd)
[14:00] <pitti> ogra_: but I still don't understand why ... oh
[14:00] <didrocks> Laney: please go ahead for tha tone
[14:00] <didrocks> that*
[14:00] <pitti> ogra_: that's for stgraber's initramfs changes
[14:00] <ogra_> pitti, asac wants stuff tested before it lands
[14:00] <pitti> ogra_: it seems that should land first, and is independent of the other changes
[14:00] <ogra_> pitti, the phone autopilot tests are the holy grail no commit must break them
[14:00] <pitti> the introduction of the new "sycned" mode, I mean
[14:01] <ogra_> yes
[14:01] <ogra_> i was considering to split it into two commits ... but that will delay the timezone part i guess
[14:02] <pitti> ogra_: that's fine; there's no need to make this a single big transaction
[14:02] <ogra_> anyway, the next image we build is suppposed to clear up the queue for just the multimedia stuff ... if that doesnt land we can try the timezone bits
[14:02] <pitti> ogra_: initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch plus android rebuild is the prerequisite and one block
[14:02] <ogra_> (there are still bugs to resolved in MM)
[14:02] <pitti> and once that's landed, we can upload the other three
[14:02] <ogra_> pitti, right
[14:03] <ogra_> pont is that we cant build an image while thats only half done
[14:03] <pitti> ok, so Monday it is then, I guess
[14:03] <ogra_> (android/initrd)
[14:03] <pitti> ogra_: sure, understood
[14:03] <pitti> was just asking, as I can't stay around much longer today
[14:03] <ogra_> yeah, then i'd say monday
[14:03] <ogra_> if i work on the weekend i'll try to get testing done for it
[14:03] <pitti> but I have nothing to do for the initramfs/android parts anyway
[14:03] <ogra_> right
[14:04] <cwayne_> ogra_, if you get me some instructions i'm happy to help test this weekend
[14:05] <ogra_> cwayne_, well, that involves repacking the initrd creating a new boot.img etc ...
[14:05] <nick124> any progress flo ubuntu touch??
[14:05] <pitti> cwayne_: ah, so instead of updating phablet-config you'd consider to just using timedatectl?
[14:05] <pitti> cwayne_: ("timedatectl set-timezone Europe/Berlin" or something such)
[14:05] <cwayne_> pitti, i'd probably just update phablet-config to call that over adb shell
[14:05] <pitti> cwayne_: or that
[14:05] <ogra_> cwayne_, but if you feel brave, bug 1227520 has the bits and pieces
[14:06] <cwayne_> ogra_, im feeling rather stupid^H^H^H^H^H^H brave, i'll give it a shot :P
[14:06] <cwayne_> pitti, i know that sounds kinda unnecessary, but making it easy to stage phones for demos is quite useful
[14:06] <cwayne_> telling a marketer to run 'phablet-config timezone' is a lot easier than telling them to adb shell in :P
[14:07] <pitti> cwayne_: sure
[14:09] <stgraber> ogra_: it should be safe to land initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch, android and lxc-android-config since none of those actually touch the rootfs (well, lxc-android-config does but its only read from initrd)
[14:09] <stgraber> ogra_: so those can't possibly affect autopilot. Then get pitti's changes tested under autopilot.
[14:09] <ogra_> stgraber, right, dont tell me, i just obey to the rules
[14:09] <ogra_> i dont make them
[14:10] <stgraber> sure, have fun then :)
[14:13] <cwayne_> stgraber, hey, I've got a random question -- could we not make /etc/skel writable and put all our customization bits in there instead of having the initrd copy it over?
[14:15] <stgraber> cwayne_: if nothing was shipping in /etc/skel by default, yes, sadly that's not the case and you really don't want to deal with syncing changes from the rootfs
[14:15] <stgraber> cwayne_: also, skell only gets used at user creation time
[14:15] <stgraber> cwayne_: and since the user is currently created at the same time as the image, your customizations would only apply to any user created after that
[14:16] <cwayne_> stgraber, ah, i was worried about that
[14:16] <cwayne_> stgraber, thanks for the info :)
[14:21] <cyphermox> davmor2: so did you file a bug about mtp after all? :)
[14:22] <cyphermox> charles: still want to do bluetooth debugging?
[14:23] <davmor2> cyphermox: nope it looks like it might be an issue with raring on the desktop.  Which as support ends soon meant I start throwing stuff at the phone from saucy and that seems fine, pitti pointed out there were a lot of improvements to the mtp gvfs backend between two releases and that might be the fix
[14:26] <cyphermox> yes, there has
[14:28] <davmor2> cyphermox: oh do you do bluetooth too.....Muhahahaha I really do break all your hard work ;)  I just got a bluetooth headset to try out bluetooth :D
[14:28] <cyphermox> awesome
[14:28] <cyphermox> I have mine and it breaks charles' code :)
[14:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: what is the user/system job conflicts for mtp?
[14:29] <charles> cyphermox: in a meeting right now, we can resume testing afterwards :)
[14:29] <davmor2> cyphermox: mines just not detected
[14:29] <cyphermox> davmor2: does hciconfig list something on your phone?
[14:30] <ogra_> rsalveti, if the property (and thus the gadget) is still up and the mtp-server goes down, gvfs on the hos freaks out and spills errors the property needs to be unset when the server goes away without delay, but that doesnt work atm since we do the property handling in a system upstzart job and the server in a session one
[14:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, so in theory everything should happen in the user session, right? otherwise it's hard to coordinate the shutdown in there
[14:31] <ogra_> right
[14:32] <ogra_> but the user doesnt necessarily have access to the properties
[14:32] <oSoMoN> gusch: do you still need a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-hono-picker-select-type-fix-content-store-transfer/+merge/187843 now, or is it wip?
[14:32] <ogra_> or permissions
[14:32] <ogra_> so i think we should attach it to dbus
[14:32] <toco> hey, i've a question: what is about ubuntu touch and samsung galaxy i9100 is it under construction or not?
[14:32] <ogra_> then we can call property changes from session scripts
[14:32] <rsalveti> hm, that's kind of scary
[14:33] <davmor2> cyphermox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6162973
[14:33] <rsalveti> we don't want the user to be able to change properties afaik
[14:33] <mfisch> loicm: meeting?
[14:34] <ogra_> rsalveti, for some we want to ... and dbus with polkit gives us an instrument to steer the permissions
[14:34] <loicm> mfisch: you mean lool I guess?
[14:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: right
[14:34] <dobey> qmltestrunner: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[14:34] <dobey> anyone at all know what would be missing to cause that ^^^?
[14:35] <tedg> lool, Why don't we want media player in the dash?
[14:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, thats 14.04 material anyway, we can look into other solutions as well indeed :)
[14:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah :-)
[14:35] <toco> Do you know some thing about Ubuntu touch for Galaxy S2 i9100 ?
[14:35] <ogra_> tedg, isnt that re3dundant ?
[14:35] <tedg> lool, It seems like that's just going to cause confusion for users "how do I get back to that icon"
[14:35] <ogra_> toco, did you contact the porter ?
[14:35] <mfisch> loicm: yeah sorry
[14:36] <tedg> ogra_, ?
[14:36] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: ping
[14:36] <gusch> oSoMoN: consider it as wip
[14:36] <ogra_> tedg, tapping the music thats alredy shown in my home lems will start the mediaplayer ... adding it seüparately to the apps on the home lens feels redundant
[14:36] <toco> #exit
[14:37] <oSoMoN> gusch: ok, so if you need a review later, please ping me again, for now I’ll remove it from my list
[14:37] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, hi
[14:37] <cyphermox> davmor2: sudo start bluetooth
[14:37] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: hey so the phablet only access to device is needed for 13.10 or no ?
[14:37] <cyphermox> davmor2: for some reason bluetooth is disabled / bluez died
[14:37] <tedg> ogra_, That's fine as long as the icon in the launcher is your music, not the music player.  Though, we're talking about media player, not music player.
[14:37] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: or what's the story...
[14:37] <cyphermox> davmor2: from there you should have UP in hciconfig output, and the discovery might work
[14:37] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - but I have to leave soon, so no MR for you today ;)
[14:38] <ogra_> tedg, well the same applies there imho
[14:38] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, I don't think I quite understand.
[14:38] <ogra_> tedg, your video will also be on the video lens
[14:38] <oSoMoN> gusch: oh well, I have enough on my plate for a Friday afternoon anyway, so I’ll thank you for that
[14:38] <charles> cyphermox: when you run system-settings, are you doing it from a terminal s.t. you could see debugging output from system-settings' bluetooth plugin?
[14:38] <charles> cyphermox: if so, I'm going to litter some extra output in here for testing
[14:38] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: sorry, pat thot you'd know about it...basically the question of root vs phablet access to the device
[14:38] <tedg> ogra_, Sure, and as long as we maintain that its "the video" all the way through, that could make sense.  But if we ever show an icon, then we need a way to get back to that icon.
[14:39] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, oh right.  our goal was to make adb run as phablet and not root
[14:39] <tedg> ogra_, And I'm okay with not allowing it in the recent results, but that's still different than NoDisplay.
[14:39] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, and to turn off adb by default
[14:40] <ogra_> tedg, i think we should have the players in the application lens indeed ... but our "we are fully focused on your content" dogma sounds to me like we should let the content rule and not the apps here
[14:40] <davmor2> cyphermox: start says already running so I did restart, now it say UP RUNNING PSCAN
[14:40] <davmor2> cyphermox: still no headset
[14:41] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: oh...ok....hmm...i'm not savvy enough to know if that impacts us (i wouldn't think so...but i miss things sometimes)
[14:41] <cyphermox> davmor2: it may take a while before the scan starts, make sure your headset stays dicoverable
[14:41] <tmoenicke> attente: ping
[14:41] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, I don't think so -- should not impact you guys.
[14:41] <kgunn> mterry was asking me wrt adding unity-system-compositor
[14:41] <kgunn> mterry: ^
[14:41] <attente> tmoenicke, pong
[14:41] <davmor2> cyphermox: will do
[14:42] <tmoenicke> attente: I have to do this in order to get it working for the osk:  glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas
[14:43] <tmoenicke> attente: how could this be done automatically with the debian package?
[14:43] <oSoMoN> gusch: before you leave, can you take this very trivial review? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/remove-useless-lambdas/+merge/188070
[14:43] <attente> tmoenicke, there's a glib trigger every time dpkg installs a file in the schemas directory, from what i understand
[14:45] <tedg> ogra_, That might be nice, but mediaplayer is the *only* app we're doing it with today :-)  So unless we're going to fix everything else, I think we should make media player consistent :-)
[14:45] <ogra_> well, just my opinion, indeed i have no say in anything here anyway :)
[14:45] <attente> tmoenicke, i guess in short it's magic
[14:46] <tmoenicke> attente: ok, i will try it out
[14:46] <tmoenicke> thx
[14:48] <davmor2> cyphermox: by the way did you get my email ref android and 3g on this maguro? was it of any use?
[14:51] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, btw, how "rollback safe" is the copy-image setup ? the stable channel is now at 67, what will happen if i copy ... say 58 in place, will it cope ?
[14:52] <ogra_> stgraber, we had one issue where we would have liked to roll back to a different proposed version this week, and i wasnt sure what would happen
[14:52] <ogra_> (so i didnt do it)
[14:53] <stgraber> ogra_: it'll let you do it but devices won't use it as they won't update to an older vresion
[14:53] <stgraber> ogra_: I discussed this with asac and need to my rollback plan before I get people to do it :)
[14:53] <oSoMoN> om26er: would it be possible to capture a video of the failure you’re still seeing in the notes-app tests? If I can visualize what’s going on, it might be much easier to fix
[14:54] <om26er> not today, i only have Ubuntu phones and it does not support video recording.
[14:54] <om26er> oSoMoN, ^
[14:54] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved
[14:55] <ogra_> stgraber, ok, good to know, i'll refrain from doing such experiments then
[14:55] <ogra_> :)
[14:56] <oSoMoN> om26er: ok, no worries
[14:56] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks
[14:56] <oSoMoN> gusch: and enjoy the week-end
[14:56] <charles> cyphermox: I've pushed new code to lp:~charlesk/ubuntu-system-settings/bluetooth-pin/ that should get us further along
[14:56] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx - you too
[14:57] <charles> cyphermox: ping me when you have time to use your headsets as test cases :)
[14:57] <stgraber> ogra_: the plan is basically to do a copy-image of the image you want from saucy-proposed to saucy-proposed, thereby giving it a newer version number, then copy that one over to saucy
[14:57] <cyphermox> charles: whenever; do I need to rebuild something?
[14:57] <stgraber> ogra_: that way, you end up with an old image having a version number higher than your current one, diffs will be generated and people will upgrade to it as expected
[14:57] <davmor2> cyphermox: how long is a while?
[14:57] <charles> cyphermox: yes, there are changes to both the qml and c++ code
[14:58] <ogra_> stgraber, ah, k
[14:58] <stgraber> ogra_: but I need to make sure the tools do that properly and that all the generated diffs look good before I tell people to do that when we need a revert
[14:58] <ogra_> stgraber, right
[14:58] <loicm> tedg: hey, does the string returned by nih_dbus_path need to be freed?
[14:59] <loicm> tedg: it crashes with free(), although it return a char* not a const char*, which is misleading
[14:59] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> This is most likely SSH related, but I tried to access my Nexus 7 by typing: "adb forward tcp:8888 tcp:22; ssh phablet@localhost -p 8888". However, I received: "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host". What was it again that I should do to overcome this?
[14:59] <loicm> tedg: maybe there's a dedicated free func
[15:00] <ogra_> NewUbuntuTouchUs, you most likely want ssh running for this
[15:00] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> ogra_: It's not running 'automatically' even though OpenSSH is installed?
[15:00] <cyphermox> charles: code?
[15:00] <cjwatson> loicm: nih_free
[15:00] <ogra_> NewUbuntuTouchUs, not on touch
[15:00] <tedg> loicm, Yeah, that's also fixed in my branch
[15:00] <charles> cyphermox: yes?
[15:01] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> ogra_: OK. Do  you remember how to start it? Should I just type "sshd" or something?
[15:01] <cyphermox> charles: do you have a link for me?
[15:01] <loicm> cjohnston: thanks :)
[15:01] <loicm> tedg: alright
[15:01] <cjwatson> loicm: and char * is correct, it's allocated
[15:01] <ogra_> NewUbuntuTouchUs, echo "" >/etc/init/ssh.override
[15:01] <loicm> cjwatson: sure
[15:01] <popey> NewUbuntuTouchUs: adb shell, start ssh
[15:01] <charles> cyphermox: yes, you'll need to pull the updates from the bluetooth-pin branch and rebuild
[15:01] <ogra_> NewUbuntuTouchUs, on next reboot it will start
[15:01] <ogra_> popey, that wont persist though
[15:01] <popey> true
[15:02] <ogra_> emptying the .override will though :)
[15:03] <davmor2> ohhhh new data sets in the welcome screen infographics
[15:03] <lool> tedg: I dont know why we dont want mediaplayer-app in the dash, perhaps bfiller or design team know
[15:04] <lool> bfiller: so video activation from dash isn't working anymore; tedg's code detects that the .desktop has "NoDisplay=true" and refuses to open the app in this case; tedg is asking why it has NoDisplay=true
[15:04] <bfiller> lool: hmn, that was working no?
[15:04] <lool> bfiller: yes
[15:05] <cyphermox> charles: ok building now
[15:05] <cyphermox> charles: you included the qml change for Pair?
[15:05] <bfiller> lool: what has changed? I think NoDisplay=true was so it wouldn't show up in the dash because we don't want peopel launching it without an url
[15:05] <bfiller> lool: as it will come up blank if not started with a url
[15:06] <bfiller> i..e it doesn't have a way in the app to select videos, they must be passed in
[15:06] <bfiller> tedg: ^^^^
[15:06] <lool> bfiller: tedg and you need to agree on whether we support opening URLs when the .desktop files has NoDisplay=true
[15:06] <lool> I really don't care either way
[15:06] <lool> I just care to know which way to land the right fix  :-)
[15:06] <bfiller> tedg: why wouldn't we support it?
[15:07] <tedg> bfiller, Well upstart-app-launch doesn't support launching things that aren't user apps.
[15:07] <tedg> bfiller, I'm worried that you'll end up showing an icon in the launcher that no one can get to.
[15:07] <tedg> bfiller, Which seems like bad UI.
[15:07] <bfiller> tedg: huh?
[15:08] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> ogra_: SSH started to work after "start ssh" on ADB shell, but it doesn't start automatically when the device is rebooted. However, I doubt that this will be a problem, but I wonder if I did something wrong. I got the impression that it was supposed to start automatically
[15:08] <bfiller> tedg: it's just an app, but we need a way to prevent it from being launched directly in the dash without an url. how can that be done without Nodisplay=true?
[15:09] <tedg> bfiller, Let me ask differently, why on no-url doesn't it just pop up a content hub browser for videos?
[15:10] <ogra_> NewUbuntuTouchUs, no, we cant install debs on readonly images, remember ? so we ship ssh ... but we dont want it to start on every phone, so we had to make this comrpomise ... it is preinstalled but off
[15:10] <bfiller> tedg: it probably will do that in the future, but that doesn't exist yet
[15:11] <cyphermox> ahhh, so happy with my tea purchase yesterday. 30$ for 100g, but it's amazing quality jasmine tea :)
[15:11] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> ogra_: (It seems that my last comment was misleading. I meant to say that for me it should not make any harm that SSH does not start automatically)
[15:11] <cyphermox> davmor2: ^ so no amount of breakage from you will make this day a bad day
[15:11] <cyphermox> :)
[15:11] <tedg> bfiller, Do you guys want mediaplayer to be single instance then?  It seems like it'd be reasonable to swap between two videos...
[15:12] <lool> ralsina, dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1232071 (just a heads up)
[15:12] <bfiller> tedg: yes single instance, think we already made that change
[15:12] <bfiller> tedg: at least I recall the MR, let me check
[15:12] <davmor2> cyphermox: That sounds like a challenge you sure you wanna go there on a friday ;)
[15:12] <cyphermox> of course
[15:13] <cyphermox> davmor2: fridays is for fixin'
[15:13] <bfiller> tedg: yup, that's in there already
[15:13] <dobey> lool: that's a dupe
[15:13] <ralsina> lool: yes, the close button is a unity bug, the scope doesn't refresh
[15:14] <ralsina> lool: agreed on the link, we'll add it
[15:14] <tedg> bfiller, But is that right?  I mean, it doesn't seem like you'd want only one mediaplayer if it's 1:1 with video files on your system.
[15:14] <davmor2> cyphermox: You're a brave man, some might say foolish, but I'll with brave ;)
[15:14] <mhall119> apparmor_parser is taking up a lot of my CPU time after instaling 67 and rebooting
[15:14] <cyphermox> haha a bit of both
[15:14] <charles> cyphermox: not sure I understand your question about changing the qml for the pair?
[15:14] <ogra_> NewUbuntuTouchUs, all our focus is on readonly images, you simply inherit the setup from them on the rw ones
[15:14] <charles> cyphermox: the ProvidePinCodeDialog.qml file changed
[15:14] <cyphermox> the last change to the qml file to fix the Pair button
[15:15] <bfiller> tedg: think it's right, playing more than one video at a time doesn't make a lot of sense
[15:15] <bfiller> at least for now it's right
[15:15] <jdstrand> mhall119: that is to be expected. 2nd reboot won't
[15:16]  * davmor2 pulls Mjölnir out of the cupboard and starts tapping cyphermox code with it, this won't take a minute I promise :D
[15:16] <mhall119> jdstrand: ok
[15:16] <jdstrand> mhall119: there is a click-apparmor job to update click package apparmor policy if apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu changed and if the package's apparmor profile is affected be the change
[15:17] <cyphermox> davmor2: the what what now?
[15:17] <dobey> lool, ralsina: and the "add a link to system-settings" bug is #1231517
[15:17] <jdstrand> mhall119: which is pretty much everything since the templates have been updated
[15:17] <mhall119> ogra_: sergiusens: setting background still doesn't work in build 67
[15:17] <tedg> bfiller, So I don't see any way around for the time we have left just allowing NoDisplay.  But I do think it's a bug that we should discuss with design.  It seems confusing that we can have an app show up, that then you can't find again.
[15:17] <davmor2> cyphermox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mj%C3%B6lnir
[15:17] <mhall119> jdstrand: as long as it's only after installing a new version
[15:17] <ogra_> mhall119, the fix still didnt land
[15:17] <ralsina> dobey: awesome, I'll affect click-scope as well
[15:18] <dobey> that is the click scope :)
[15:18] <ralsina> argh, I meant lool: I will affect click-update-manager as well
[15:18] <bfiller> tedg: it was working earlier in the week, what changed? was getting launched from scope
[15:18]  * ralsina is crosswired today
[15:18] <dobey> heh
[15:18] <mhall119> tedg: ping
[15:18] <tedg> bfiller, Not sure.  It's been that way... forever...
[15:18] <jdstrand> mhall119: the job runs everytime, but it will only hit the parser in the circumstances I just mentioned
[15:19] <tedg> mhall119, Howdy
[15:19] <jdstrand> mhall119: so in the normal case it is fast. you'll see-- second boot will be *awesome*
[15:19] <bfiller> tedg: if I get rid of NoDisplay then it will start working again?
[15:19] <tedg> bfiller, I believe so.  I haven't verified that, responding to lool's bug.
[15:20] <bfiller> lool: can you verify that removing the NoDisplay from mediaplayer will make it launchable from scope?
[15:20] <lool> bfiller: it does
[15:20] <lool> bfiller: I did test that earlier today
[15:20] <jdstrand> mhall119: note, this won't happen after every system update either-- only those where policy changed in a way that requires a particular app's policy to be updated
[15:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: okay I give in it's not detecting this headset, my laptop picked it up no issues so the headset is good
[15:20] <cyphermox> ok
[15:21] <bfiller> lool: thanks, I'll do an MR to remvoe it then
[15:21] <cyphermox> davmor2: file a bug against bluez, provide the output of hciconfig, and /var/log/syslog
[15:21] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> Can I somehow use the keybaord of my workstation to type on a device with Ubuntu Touch?
[15:21] <jdstrand> mhall119: so if I uploaded an apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu update for the "contacts" policy group-- if you have 100 click apps installed and 1 uses the contacts policy group, only the one will be regenerated
[15:21] <mhall119> tedg: hey, I'm told the phone's URI handling relies on a hard-coded list you maintain somewhere
[15:22] <tedg> mhall119, top secret hard coded list.
[15:22] <mhall119> jdstrand: thanks, good to know
[15:22] <mhall119> tedg: I need to get the docviewer added to that list
[15:22] <tedg> mhall119, Do you have a security letter?
[15:22] <mhall119> I can forge one, what does it need to say?
[15:22] <jdstrand> mhall119: thing is, click-apparmor 1.0.10 is the first to have the upstart job, and we've had several updates to the templates during the dev cycle, so everything is being regenerated most probably
[15:22] <tedg> mhall119, MR to lp:url-dispatcher, just add it to the big array.
[15:23] <tedg> mhall119, And then update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher
[15:25] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> Do you know if it's possible to install OpenJDK on a device with Ubuntu Touch?
[15:25] <tedg> mhall119, In general, you can put what ever you want there.  I'd recommend being more specific than less if you know about the format.
[15:25] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> The command: "sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-lib", gave me errors
[15:25] <mhall119> tedg: ok, I'll look at the code and probably ping you later
[15:30] <davmor2> pmcgowan: this made me surprisingly happy http://ubuntuone.com/7SGDsJ9eaOWTxPjGfxaLPp  http://ubuntuone.com/0JotsAynUJHoIRcu5mC518  http://ubuntuone.com/4gqYL9T7IOdBUI7zKDNxUm  http://ubuntuone.com/4cTR3tvMTTriwQik3cfxGj  http://ubuntuone.com/1SalFLU1sRpVRgQTzSLPWb
[15:32] <pmcgowan> davmor2, oh cool, didnt know that landed
[15:32] <pmcgowan> although seems the two times should match ;(
[15:32] <tedg> lool, So assuming ricmm is able to test things working together, and that works, are you happy with this MR?  https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/fdo-application-open/+merge/186887
[15:33] <davmor2> pmcgowan: the 0 minutes spent in calls threw me then I realised I probably was on for a minute :)
[15:35] <davmor2> pmcgowan: oh indeed out by a minute I think that is an issue when you let the phone sleep then wake it almost immediately it knocks the time out slightly, it's like the welcome page doesn't update because it isn't asleep long enough
[15:35] <davmor2> pmcgowan: the only issue is you can't always reproduce it
[15:36] <pmcgowan> davmor2, yeah its just kinda funny, I should make a bug on it
[15:37] <davmor2> seb128: in settings the time, I add my city, it shows up as "Wolverhampton, GB" I click on it and nothing happens is this bit implemented fully yet?  I don't want to write a bug if it isn't meant to work yet :)
[15:38] <seb128> davmor2, the backend is waiting on lightdm and other bits to land, that's happening today
[15:38] <seb128> (you like number 6 to ask today)
[15:38] <Laney> monday now
[15:38] <davmor2> seb128: Sorry dude.
[15:38] <seb128> no worry
[15:39] <seb128> the "lack of feedback" is a design issue
[15:39] <davmor2> Laney: Monday now, is that for the fix to land?
[15:39] <Laney> yes
[15:39] <seb128> well, it should show the line you click on as selected
[15:39] <seb128> but that's not very obvious
[15:39] <seb128> you might want to talk to mpt about it/file a bug
[15:40] <Laney> hmm?
[15:40] <Laney> I don't think he means that; it won't give you any feedback at all as the tz isn't actually changing
[15:40] <Laney> you can't see the designed effect until it works
[15:41] <cyphermox> charles: omg omg omg it's paired!
[15:42] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: http://ubuntuone.com/2Jpl2P72xzAYmcX58zUDtY this is what I see, if I tap Wolverhampton, GB nothing happens.  That's the bit that does nothing currently
[15:43] <Laney> correct
[15:43] <seb128> davmor2,
[15:43] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1227520
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, well, I think the "designed effect" is not very obvious that something happened either (from testing on my desktop)
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, but maybe that's only me
[15:44] <Laney> not sure, but anyway that's not what you get when it doesn't work at all
[15:44] <seb128> right, nothing get colored on the device atm
[15:45] <seb128> because no tz gets selected to match the list
[15:45] <davmor2> seb128: cool so a couple of fixes need to land.  I'm assuming when it works it just goes back to the main page and changes to BST or UTC+1 and the time changes right?
[15:45] <charles> cyphermox: woot!
[15:45] <cyphermox> charles: however, nothing plays
[15:45] <cyphermox> Sep 27 15:44:25 ubuntu-phablet pulseaudio[988]: [bluetooth] module-bluetooth-device.c: Failed to acquire transport /org/bluez/1360/hci0/dev_00_16_FE_D6_F8_84/fd0
[15:46] <davmor2> cyphermox: I don't believe you I think you are over tea'd
[15:46] <seb128> davmor2, it doesn't back to the mainpage, it applies the change and highlight the locations in the list, that correspond to the tz you selected
[15:46] <seb128> davmor2, so you can click on another one if you miss clicked
[15:46] <seb128> davmor2, then you can go back with the usually action bar
[15:46] <charles> cyphermox: woot!
[15:47] <davmor2> seb128: oh okay, that's a little odd in behaviour.  Everything else jumps back to the main page, like accounts etc so I expected this to be the same
[15:47] <cyphermox> charles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6163242/
[15:48] <davmor2> by main page I mean the first page you encounter in that section
[15:49] <seb128> davmor2, right, that's why I said I find it a bit weird as well
[15:49] <seb128> davmor2, but that behaviour is a design issue, so talk to mpt if you feel strongly about it
[15:50] <mpt> davmor2, seb128: It's quite possible I've underspecified success feedback across System Settings, so please report bugs if anything feels weird.
[15:50] <seb128> mpt, ok
[15:53] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, hey there...
[15:53] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, question about the OptionSelectorDelegate...
[15:53] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, how can I update the icon of and already displayed item?
[15:54] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, and why does it not automatically scale down too big icons?
[15:56] <NewUbuntuTouchUs> (Have to quit for this day. Thanks for answers)
[15:57] <lool> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/fdo-application-open/+merge/186887 >> except for the app version
[15:57] <lool> tedg: I certainly don't think it should be there; have commented as such in the mp
[15:58] <lool> tedg: otherwise, I guess ok; does not look beautiful in terms of dbus namings, but I can live with this convention
[15:58] <lool> tedg: please don't top approve it until the other changes are ready to go in though
[15:58] <tedg> lool, I'm worried that we could never add apparmor support if we need it then.  That's the dbus name that they have for HUD and other services.
[15:58] <tedg> DBus path to be more correct
[15:59] <lool> tedg: it seems so wrong to say "I want gedit_1.2 to open this link"
[15:59] <tedg> lool, Yes, ricmm is bringing all the branches together and making sure they meld.
[15:59] <tedg> lool, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/app-id-url/+merge/187913  :-)
[16:00] <tedg> lool, If you scroll to the tests you can see examples
[16:00] <tedg> lool, line ~490
[16:00] <nic-doffay> MacSlow, hey
[16:00] <nic-doffay> already displayed item?
[16:00] <nic-doffay> Not sure I understand that one.
[16:01] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, well... the problem I have is that the icon isn't known at the time of the definition (initial binding) of the OptionSelectorDelegate...
[16:02] <davmor2> seb128, mpt: bug it is then, shall I write it or are you already doing so seb128 ?
[16:02] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, so it needs to update the icon in the delegate onCompleted() function
[16:02] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, that doesn't seem to work
[16:03] <seb128> davmor2, I'm not doing it, so please do
[16:03] <davmor2> no worries
[16:03] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, I wonder if that's me overlooking something or OptionSelectorDelegate just not allowing this later update to the icon
[16:03] <nic-doffay> MacSlow looking at it again I'll get back to you now...
[16:04] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, I've problems with the correct size too... the icon seems to be bigger than the itemHeight
[16:04] <davmor2> seb128: package is it ubuntu-system-settings?
[16:05] <seb128> davmor2, yes
[16:05] <davmor2> seb128: thanks
[16:05] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, it's eod for me now... so no rush... I might even opt to switch back to a custom delegate...
[16:05] <nic-doffay> MacSlow, I'd do that tbh
[16:06] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, I at least know that  a custom delegate works too... so that probably will give me a bit more freedom
[16:07] <cyphermox> charles: let me know if you need more info
[16:07] <tkamppeter> pmcgowan, have you talked about the print dialog with the product management?
[16:08] <charles> cyphermox: that's something we should look at, but I'm not sure it's part of the won't pair / won't connect bug
[16:08] <charles> cyphermox: ie, not a settings issue
[16:08] <pmcgowan> tkamppeter, sorry no not yet
[16:08] <pmcgowan> will let you know
[16:08] <charles> cyphermox: so I think I'm going to get this MP ready for the pairing/connecting and then we'll keep digging
[16:10] <jdstrand> mardy: hey, fyi, bug #1232097
[16:16] <skaman> hi guys... anyone know the status of ubuntu touch on nexus 7 3g (asus 32gb version)? after ubuntu touch being 'flipped' it stopped working .. doesn't boot anymore :(
[16:16] <lool> tedg: app-id-url >> how badly do we need this?  there are tests, but it's still quite a bit of new code
[16:17] <lool> tedg: in any case, I think you should sync with cjwatson on how to get manifests; I'm not sure it's ok to poke at the click directory of the app to get the manifest; there's a click command to dump all manifests, maybe there's one just for one manifest
[16:17] <tedg> lool, We needed it when everything was going to be click packages, because things like datetime needed to show the clock, but since everything is a legacy app now, I don't think it's as important.  It's a branch I started a while ago.
[16:17] <cyphermox> charles: I have no idea what it could be if not settings... pairing manually does work properly at least for a2dp
[16:17] <cyphermox> charles: though it seems in this instance you're actually pairing for hsp
[16:18] <lool> tedg: Ok; if we don't need, let's keep it for post-13.10
[16:18] <lool> tedg: we're cranking down the number of things we're pushing in
[16:18] <davmor2> seb128, mpt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1232114  hope that makes sense
[16:18] <tedg> lool, Hmm, the other person that was asking was dbarth_.  dbarth_ do you need a non-versioned way to launch apps?
[16:19] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[16:19] <dbarth_> tedg: hi
[16:19] <cjwatson> lool,tedg: I would say it's not OK to poke at the click directory; using "click list --manifest" should be OK for now, just a bit slower than it needs to be, and I can add something that gets the manifest for just one package
[16:19] <lool> cjwatson: right
[16:19] <dbarth_> tedg: need, well, i'd like to have that to help with testing yes
[16:19] <skaman> here they speack about the issue http://askubuntu.com/questions/328414/ubuntu-touch-on-nexus-7-3g-autodeploy-zip-not-found ... but seem there's no solution for now
[16:19] <bfiller> tedg, lool : https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/mediaplayer-app/remove-no-display/+merge/188092
[16:20] <cjwatson> (Or possibly using the relevant PackageKit D-Bus interfaces if those tell you what you need; that uses "click list --manifest" behind the scenes)
[16:20] <tedg> cjwatson, We're doing it in URL dispatcher as well :-)  Though, I'd kinda prefer to just wait for the libclick and fix all that then.
[16:20] <cjwatson> tedg: Yeah, I can understand that, though you definitely won't get that for 13.10
[16:20] <lool> bfiller: happroved
[16:20] <charles> cyphermox, right.
[16:21] <tedg> cjwatson, Sure, so for 13.10 would you be okay with us finding the manifest?
[16:21] <charles> cyphermox: for example if you're just wanting to play music through your headset to test
[16:21] <tedg> dbarth_, Hmm, okay.  That's probably not enough for me to convince lool to land it for 13.10 :-)  We can land after?
[16:22] <tedg> bfiller, Thanks!
[16:22] <cjwatson> tedg: I'd actually prefer to just add an interface for you to get the manifest for a single package.  I've been meaning to do that anyway and it's not hard
[16:22] <cjwatson> tedg: Assuming that you can tolerate a fork/exec for this
[16:22] <charles> cyphermox: so if you do that on the desktop & connect a headset there, you also have to go into sound settings and tell it to direct to the headset
[16:22] <cjwatson> (for now)
[16:22] <dbarth_> tedg: sure, not a hard dependency for us
[16:22] <charles> do we want to auto-redirect everything when we make that connection? it's not clear to me that we do
[16:22] <dbarth_> tedg: which branch can i look into meanwhile?
[16:22] <tedg> cjwatson, We're already doing that to get the package directory.
[16:22] <tedg> dbarth_, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/app-id-url/+merge/187913
[16:23] <cjwatson> tedg: Is that "so yes, it's OK" or "so we've already blown our time budget"? :-)
[16:23] <dbarth_> ok,thanks tedg
[16:23] <tedg> cjwatson, Basically :-)
[16:23] <cjwatson> tedg: OK.  I won't get to it today - would you mind filing a bug to remind me and I'll do it early next week?
[16:23] <tedg> cjwatson, Yup, will do.  I'll add tasks for me as well.
[16:24] <cjwatson> Ta
[16:24] <cyphermox> charles: well, yes and no. The device is there from the start, just not the pulse default
[16:24] <cyphermox> charles: but it's also likely not paired with the same profile
[16:31] <popey> cjwatson: is there some magic to installing click packages on a 13.10 desktop which differs from on-device installing? Both pkcon and click install barf for me (in interesting and different ways)
[16:31] <popey> should I expect them to work?
[16:36] <popey> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6163425/ is what I get fom click install
[16:37] <davmor2> cyphermox: good news for a change dude, I've been connected to 3g most of the day no disconnects,  IP address has changed a couple of times mind, but I don't care I could still connect :)
[16:38] <cyphermox> ah?
[16:38] <cjwatson> popey: not remotely supported right now
[16:38] <cyphermox> does ip addr show the same as the address if you go to ipchicken, for example?
[16:38] <popey> balls
[16:39] <cjwatson> popey: pkcon is not expected to work yet.  as for that click install log, hm, that ought to work, smells like a package-specific bug
[16:39] <cjwatson> popey: file me a bug with a pointer to the package in question and I'll take a look
[16:39] <popey> cjwatson: against what?
[16:39] <cjwatson> popey: click
[16:39] <popey> lp:click?
[16:39] <cjwatson> (the package in Ubuntu)
[16:39] <sergiusens> cjwatson, hey, did you see my ping from yesterday wrt to click_copy?
[16:39] <popey> oh okay
[16:39] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'm using whatismyip.com.  I had the same issue on android it changed a load on there
[16:39] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click
[16:39] <popey> thanks
[16:39] <cjwatson> popey: (by "not remotely supported", though, I mean that even after you install it, launching probably isn't hooked up properly
[16:39] <cyphermox> davmor2: alright
[16:40] <ogra_> cjwatson, next image will have fill polkit support btw
[16:40] <cjwatson> sergiusens: 09:14 <cjwatson> sergiusens: click_copy - right, it got autodeployed.  Do you still plan to move that to ~ubuntu-cdimage at some point?
[16:40] <popey> i dont mind running qmlscene or somesuch
[16:40] <cjwatson> ogra_: cool
[16:40] <ogra_> *full
[16:40] <cyphermox> nice
[16:40] <sergiusens> cjwatson, yes, that was my next question, the common team to get this under
[16:40]  * ogra_ looks forward to remove some hacks next week regarding polkit
[16:41] <sergiusens> cjwatson, I'll move it during the weekend or early next week
[16:41] <sergiusens> cjwatson, thanks a bunch
[16:41]  * sergiusens goes back to day off
[16:53] <lool> tedg: so dobey just added click removal feature to click scope, and we would like to implement stopping the running apps
[16:54] <tedg> lool, Why?
[16:54] <lool> tedg: would you have any clue on how to best do this?  is this with running apps scope?
[16:54] <lool> tedg: it's bad from an user experience point of view
[16:54] <tedg> lool, I believe cjwatson added support for keeping them around until they're stopped naturally.
[16:54] <lool> you still get the app in the running list and you still get it sliding to the right
[16:54] <tedg> Oh, I see.
[16:54] <tedg> Not upgrade, but actually removing it.
[16:54] <cjwatson> so actually I was meaning to talk with you about that, that's only if upstart-app-launch-tools is installed
[16:55] <cjwatson> same thing applies to removal
[16:55] <cjwatson> can we seed upstart-app-launch-tools?
[16:55] <lool> we can
[16:55] <lool> but not sure this works in all cases
[16:55] <tedg> lool, So I'd suggest that dobey use libupstart-app-launch and use the stop function.
[16:55] <ogra_> sure, after a week of paperwork :)
[16:55] <lool> are all apps launched with upstart-app-launch nowadays?
[16:55]  * dobey did no such thing
[16:55] <tedg> lool, Not yet
[16:55] <tedg> lool, Today-ish.
[16:55] <cjwatson> but even so, it still kind of makes sense to kill the app entirely rather than just having it suspended after you remove something
[16:55] <lool> tedg: currently it asks click to remove it, it sounds like we'd want some hook to stop the app
[16:56] <cjwatson> dobey: "that dobey use" => subjunctive, "that dobey should use"
[16:56] <dobey> cjwatson: i didn't implement the functionality of uninstall :)
[16:56] <cjwatson> ah, yeah, that was alecu
[16:56] <tedg> lool, I'd say you want to ask click to remove it and then stop it.  That way there's no race on shutting it down.
[16:56] <lool> dobey: how do you launch apps?
[16:57] <dobey> lool: afaik, the dash does launching of apps
[16:57] <dobey> lool: wasn't that what you fixed yesterday?
[16:57] <lool> dobey: I think the scope has an "open
[16:57] <dobey> the applications:// thing?
[16:57] <lool> " button too
[16:58] <dobey> lool: i think it just calls the unity action thing with NOT_HANDLED, and the application:// uri
[16:58] <lool> dobey: indeed applicaiton: url is what this button uses
[16:58] <lool> so that's kind of asymetric
[16:58] <lool> we can open but not unopen
[16:58] <lool> I guess click hook would make more sense then
[16:59] <lool> dobey: BTW sorry for pulling you in on this
[16:59] <lool> alecu: ^ might interest you a bit  :-)
[16:59] <dobey> it's ok
[17:00] <lool> cjwatson: since there's a click hook using upstart-all-launch-tools, is it ok if I move this to the click package?
[17:00] <lool> cjwatson: I'll add a meta task for the seeding
[17:04] <lool> alecu: this is about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1232130
[17:10] <cjwatson> lool: Eh, what hook now?
[17:10] <cjwatson> lool: I thought upstart-app-launch had its own hook, and I prefer that to live there
[17:10] <cjwatson> lool: click has a hook system so we don't have to put stuff in click :)
[17:10] <lool> cjwatson: Ok; I didn't know where the hook lived
[17:11] <cjwatson> lool: oh, do you mean move the bug report to the click package?
[17:11] <lool> yeah
[17:11] <cjwatson> I'm kind of confused, I'm mostly firefighting something else right now
[17:11] <lool> will move to upstart-app-launch
[17:11] <cjwatson> Do something plausible and I'll fix it up if necessary later :)
[17:14] <lool> tedg: could you take a look at the upstart-app-launch part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1232130 ? not critically urgent, just a nice bug fix
[17:14] <lool> tedg: when that's ready, will seed upstart-app-launch-tools in (albeit right now the hook doesn't seem to require that?)
[17:15] <tedg> lool, I'm confused, what do you want to happen in upstart-app-launch there/
[17:15] <tedg> ?
[17:16] <lool> tedg: updating the hook to stop apps when clicks get removed
[17:17] <tedg> lool, Oh, you think the desktop hook should do that?
[17:17] <lool> tedg: there's a /usr/share/click/hooks/upstart-app-launch-desktop.hook one
[17:17] <lool> tedg: So I thought we'd get another one nearby
[17:18] <tedg> Yeah, okay.  I see now.
[17:18] <lool> I'm fried, going off; by folks!
[17:18] <lool> *bye
[17:18] <tedg> 'night lool!
[17:18] <lool> dinner first  ;-)
[17:18] <lool> but wont stay up long
[17:22] <alecu> lool: ping
[17:22] <alecu> lool: so, I should change the scope to use upstart-app-launch-tools to launch the apps?
[17:22] <alecu> lool: last week the scope was still launching the apps itself, and with a recent branch I made the scope delegate the launching to the dash
[17:22] <lool> alecu: I think not
[17:23] <lool> alecu: application:// will go unity -> url-dispatcher -> upstart-app-launch
[17:23] <alecu> lool: ah, so, should the upstart-app-launch change be in the dash instead?
[17:23] <lool> alecu: you should worry to keep the click scope code as simple and focused on what it needs to do as possible, and I think moving to applications:// helped with that
[17:24] <lool> alecu: it's just that noone does the stop right now; tedg will add a hook to do this
[17:24] <alecu> lool: ok, great. Perhaps I misread the backlog then.
[17:27] <m-b-o> balloons: meep meep
[17:27] <balloons> m-b-o, aloha
[17:28] <m-b-o> hey, I'm wondering if there will be any changes to the localstorage path in click packages?
[17:29] <m-b-o> if, than the tests will terribly fail
[17:29] <balloons> m-b-o, not to my knowledge, but I know weather does some db things most apps don't do
[17:32] <m-b-o> ballons: okay, we will see soon I guess?
[17:32] <balloons> m-b-o, indeed we shall
[17:32] <balloons> :-)
[17:45] <Strauch> Hi out there, just flashed a version of Ubuntu TOuch on my Galaxy Nexus band like to gove the dev process a little tryout. On StackOverflow I found out, that I have to install the ssh server on the phone, but how?
[17:52] <w-flo> Strauch, AFAIK, recent images come with sshd preinstalled but disabled.. there's some magic dot-file you can create so it starts on boot, but I don't remember the file name, and I'm not sure it's documented anywhere. Maybe check /etc/init/whatever-sshd-is.override
[17:52] <w-flo> uhh, race condition..
[18:05] <davmor2> cyphermox: right dude, this weekend I will be mostly on 3g, is there anything you need me to log if things play up so I can get them copied somewhere?
[18:07] <davmor2> m-b-o: is the correct reply to meep meep, I'm ringing acme?
[18:09] <m-b-o> davmor2: hehe, could be
[18:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, did you do anything wrt adbd running as phablet already ? i know you started some work there and it came up in a call today
[18:17] <pstolowski> heyas, I'm not able to flash with --channel daily-proposed today (error on retrieving daily-proposed/maguro/index.json); anything changed there?
[18:18] <cwayne_> pstolowski, it's devel-proposed now
[18:18] <pstolowski> cwayne_: ah, thanks!
[18:18] <cwayne_> pstolowski, np!
[18:23] <cyphermox> davmor2: well, anything that fails, but then I'll just need /var/log/syslog; I can manage pretty well with just that
[18:23] <cyphermox> davmor2: I can possibly get you a package to test the auto-reconnection before EOD
[18:23] <Nithin_> hello
[18:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: mail it to me my end of day is 20 minutes or so :)  do you need the 2 list infos from ofono too?
[18:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: contexts and modems is it?
[18:24] <Nithin_> i would like to know if when ubuntu touch is available for my phone
[18:25] <Nithin_> mine is a low end fone motorola defy plus
[18:26] <ogra_> Nithin_, check if there is an entry for it on the porting wiki
[18:26] <ogra_> !ports | Nithin_
[18:26] <ogra_> err
[18:26] <ogra_> !porting | Nithin_
[18:26] <davmor2> ogra_: hahaha
[18:26] <cyphermox> davmor2: yeah, that would help too
[18:26] <ogra_> geez, whats up with the bot ?
[18:26] <davmor2> cyphermox: no worries
[18:27] <cyphermox> davmor2: ok so expect a mail from me with the details -- if you don't get one it's because I failed to test succesfully on my own device
[18:27] <ogra_> hmm, probably its just my brain
[18:27] <davmor2> cyphermox:  no worries :)
[18:27] <ogra_> !devices | Nithin_
[18:27] <Nithin_> thank you
[18:28] <ogra_> sorry for the noise :)
[18:30] <Nithin_> ok i have samsung galaxy s
[18:30] <ejat> hi .. i cant change my timezone ..
[18:30] <ejat> can look up my location but im unable to select the location
[18:31] <Nithin_> i can flash that with ubuntu touch does all the features work ? or is it just a preview
[18:33] <davmor2> Nithin_: I don't think samsung galaxy s is supported nless there is a port, on the ports page it will tell you what works and what doesn't
[18:33] <Nithin_> thanks again
[18:37] <ejat> anyone?
[18:38] <cwayne_> ejat, that's going to be fixed monday
[18:39] <cwayne_> ejat, for now, running phablet-config timezone from your laptop with your phone plugged in should work
[18:40] <ejat> cwayne_, thanks alot its work ..
[18:40] <ejat> :)
[18:41] <cwayne_> ejat, no problem :)
[18:41] <ejat> where can i check the current bugs ?
[18:42] <mfisch> ejat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/
[18:42] <ejat> i just flash the device a few hours ago ..
[18:42] <mfisch> did something change about how launcher favorites are set?
[18:42] <ejat> so at least i didnt ask more questions if there is inside the bugs list
[18:42] <mfisch> cwayne: I see this key which I dont remember from before: com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorite-migration ''
[18:42] <mfisch> cwayne: I wonder if it uses a different mechanism now
[18:42] <cwayne_> mfisch, maybe it's done in AccountService
[18:42] <cwayne_> in fact i think it is
[18:43] <pmcgowan> mfisch, ejat there are actually a lot more bugs spread over a lot of projects
[18:43] <cwayne_> i think AS gets the default from dconf
[18:43] <pmcgowan> ejat, dont worry about asking here
[18:43] <mfisch> cwayne: do you know what call it is?
[18:43] <mfisch> I dont remember seeing that from introspection yesterday
[18:44] <cwayne_> mzanetti, hey, doesnt the launcher use AccountService now?  and it just gets its defaults from gsettings?
[18:44] <mfisch> there's certainly no obvious call for launchers/faves
[18:44] <ejat> pmcgowan, noted ..
[18:46] <mzanetti> cwayne_: yeah, it does
[18:47] <mfisch> how does one unpin a fave?
[18:47] <cwayne_> or pin one for that matter
[18:47] <mfisch> I removed it from the launcher, apparently, but it's still there. Let me reboot unity
[18:47] <cwayne_> mzanetti, ^
[18:47] <mfisch> cwayne: long press on the app icon
[18:48] <cwayne_> yeah
[18:48] <mzanetti> mfisch: is the application still running?
[18:48] <mfisch> yeah
[18:48] <cwayne_> im curious to know programatically though, curious as to what AS does
[18:48] <mzanetti> yep. can't remove running apps
[18:48] <mfisch> okay it's gone now (restarted unity)
[18:48] <cyphermox> mzanetti: so, did you file a bug for me after all ? :)
[18:48] <mzanetti> cyphermox: yes
[18:48] <cyphermox> cool
[18:49] <mzanetti> cyphermox: let me know if I should do something to test
[18:49] <mfisch> mzanetti: do you know where in A/S that the favorites are set?
[18:49] <mzanetti> cyphermox: I guess such stuff can be complex to reproduce
[18:49] <cyphermox> mzanetti: heh. it's networking. most issues are hard to reproduce so I'm getting used to it :)
[18:50] <mzanetti> mfisch: gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items
[18:50] <mfisch> oh cool you can set arbitrary props
[18:50] <mzanetti> cyphermox: still, let me know if I can help
[18:50] <mfisch> mzanetti: thanks
[18:51] <mzanetti> mfisch: use this to reset AS and make it reload defaults from dconf:
[18:51] <mzanetti> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>"
[18:52] <ejat> ive tried to add new feed .. eg. ubuntu planet ... after i tick the search result .. what next?
[19:00] <cwayne_> mzanetti, is it possible to change the order of sub-scopes?  like make Online Videos show up at the top of the videos scope?
[19:04] <lool> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/clear-cache/+merge/188141 just to see the diff and see test results
[19:04] <lool> ralsina: there is an addition of the "" hash_proto there
[19:04] <lool> not sure this one line change is enough to get this working, and would be good to have tests on this
[19:05]  * lool redisappears
[19:05] <mzanetti> cwayne_: for sure. but I don't know how.
[19:05] <cwayne_> mzanetti, any idea who might? mhr3 perhaps?
[19:05] <mzanetti> cwayne_: yes. very likely
[19:06]  * mhr3 is on train with very flaky connection, might not get your msg
[19:06] <lool> ralsina: looks like this was broken in r138
[19:07] <ralsina> lool: that actually adds "" as a known algo
[19:07] <lool> ralsina: yes
[19:08] <lool> ralsina: I dont know whether it's enough, but it seems to be needed and you can see this code was changed in r138
[19:09] <ralsina> could be
[19:09] <mhr3> cwayne_, the order is preserved from the scope category definition, see /usr/share/unity/scopes/video.scope
[19:09] <ejat> after install apps ... cant uninstall ?
[19:09] <cwayne_> mhr3, oh, it just takes the order from there?
[19:09] <ejat> pkon error
[19:10] <mhr3> cwayne_, yes
[19:10] <cwayne_> mhr3, that's simple enough, thank you sir!
[19:10] <lool> ralsina: and it seems the expectation is no hash
[19:10] <cwayne_> lool, ping, is there any chance you can give me write access to the landing asks spreadsheet?
[19:10] <lool> cwayne_: sorry that's an asac or didrocks thing
[19:10] <ralsina> lool: right, which for image updates sounds fishy
[19:10] <cwayne_> damn, thanks anyway lool
[19:10] <lool> ralsina: we do our own hashing with crypto
[19:11] <ejat> gmail touch app can install even got installed 1st flashing device?
[19:11] <cwayne_> cjwatson, what would the application:// url for a clickapp be?  would it be for example qr-code.desktop, or com.ubuntu.developer.alecu.qr-code_0.3
[19:11] <ejat> tried to uninstall then failed
[19:11] <ejat> pkon remove error
[19:11] <cwayne_> cjwatson, for context, we're adding a clickapp to the launcher favorites dconf key
[19:11] <ralsina> lool: ok, so it could be an easy fix, I'll get gatox checking that
[19:11] <lool> ralsina: lp:~barry/ubuntu-system-image/lp1196991 is a recent branch from barry, so I suspect it's where he prepares updated s-i, and it has this snipped in systemimage/download.py: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6164012/
[19:12] <lool> ralsina: best to confirm this with gator and barry, but wanted to give you a head start
[19:12] <ralsina> lool: cool, thx
[19:12] <alecu> cjwatson: it's application://xxx.desktop, where xxx is packagename_appid_version
[19:12] <alecu> sorry, cwayne_ ^
[19:12] <barry> gatox, ralsina, lool let's talk about u-d-m
[19:12] <alecu> cwayne_: and, it needs three slashes, so:
[19:12] <lool> barry: hey!
[19:12] <alecu> application:///xxx.desktop
[19:13] <dobey> alecu: i don't think that one would make it into the defaults! :)
[19:14] <lool> barry: so IIUC you have a regression since r138 of ubuntu-download-manager in 0.2+13.10.20130926.2-0ubuntu1
[19:14] <lool> barry: your code passes '' to a download gup
[19:14] <lool> group
[19:14] <alecu> cwayne_: for examples, look in ~/.local/share/applications/  for the .desktops that are created when you install apps.
[19:14] <lool> barry: does it expect md5 hashing or no hashing?
[19:14] <cwayne_> alecu, so it would be application:///com..ubuntu.developer.alecu_qr-code_0.3.desktop?
[19:15] <barry> lool: right because we verify hashes at a higher level.  we don't need udm to verify hashes and in fact often don't have them.  so previously we'd decided that empty strings means "don't do hash verification".  the regression was that it now validates the hash algo but doesn't accept ''
[19:15] <barry> to mean no hashing
[19:15] <alecu> cwayne_: yes, but with only one dot after com :-)
[19:15] <barry> lool, gatox this is fixed in mandel's branch that i'm using for all my other integration tests
[19:15] <barry> lp:~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/clear-cache
[19:15] <ralsina> barry, gatox: we *could* just land that branch
[19:16] <ralsina> it's a risk, but it only touches things only barry is using...
[19:16] <cwayne_> alecu, :P thanks for the help
[19:16] <alecu> cwayne_: I can see that differing version numbers will be annoying for the launcher, though.
[19:16] <gatox> ralsina, is that branch proposed for review
[19:16] <gatox> ?
[19:16] <lool> barry: this branch has other changes, do you think it's good to go?
[19:16] <lool> gatox: I proposed it
[19:16] <lool> gatox: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/clear-cache/+merge/188141
[19:16] <lool> but not mandel
[19:17] <ralsina> the main worry there is the calls to clearAccessCache can break stuff
[19:17] <lool> barry: the delta of mandel's branch is a bit larger, includes logging and cache handling and other stuff
[19:17] <barry> lool: i think mandel wanted to clean some stuff up, and tbh, i don't know for sure that it doesn't affect click, but this branch is working *great* for me
[19:17] <lool> barry: do you know about the cache handling changes?
[19:18] <ralsina> lool: those are to speed up tests but I don't think they are properly isolated yet
[19:18] <barry> lool: yes.  there's a bug in qt that causes the cache to keep the server active for 120 seconds, which causes my test shutdowns to lag horribly
[19:18] <barry> lool: my test suite runs in about 10 minutes with this fix.  about 3h without
[19:18] <gatox> ralsina, lool barry i would say +1 on that branch, it's just cleaning up stuff and improving the logger.... and it adds the  << "" that fix barry bug
[19:19] <cwayne_> alecu, yeah, also using the .desktop name from .local/share/applications doesn't seem to work here
[19:19] <ralsina> gatox: AND cleaning up the access cache which we don't want if there's an ongoing download
[19:19] <barry> ralsina: but i think it only does that if -stoppable is given
[19:19] <barry> which is only for my test suite
[19:19] <gatox> ralsina, i can do a quick branch adding the  << "" if you want and avoid those problems
[19:19] <lool> gatox: +1 on the mp?
[19:19] <ralsina> barry: if --stoppable already in the branch, I'd +1
[19:19] <gatox> lool, checking with ralsina
[19:19] <lool> gatox: do you know how to test the download manager?
[19:20] <gatox> lool, run the tests? or test it irl?
[19:20] <barry> yeah (but it's single dash 'cause that's apparently how qt rolls or something ;)
[19:20] <ralsina> lool: there's unit tests, we'd have to build it with this branch and test it IRL with the click scope and the update manager
[19:20] <lool> ralsina: So IIUC, we don't want to land system-image with new download manager without tests and we can't enable the tests at build time or autopkgtests if they take 3 hours
[19:20] <lool> ralsina: I would personally prefer the smaller change of adding "", but it seems this branch also has the required testsuite speed fixes
[19:21] <lool> gatox: both  :-)
[19:21] <barry> and that's 3h on a speedy amd64 desktop :)
[19:21] <ralsina> barry: that's the system-update tests? Whoa :-)
[19:21] <gatox> lool, you can do make check for the tests and there is also a python script to IRL testing...
[19:22] <ralsina> I am checking that everything is hidden behind -stoppable
[19:22] <ralsina> with that, I'll +1
[19:22] <barry> ralsina: yep.  fortunately with the fixes its 10m, so yay!
[19:22] <lool> gatox: not that I want to do it
[19:22] <lool> gatox: but I'd like someone to do it  :-)
[19:22] <lool> before we take it
[19:24] <lool> gatox, ralsina: If you guys could arrange to test this and land it in trunk, we could push it to an image late tonight or over the week-end
[19:24] <ralsina> lool: yes, let's do IRL testing, it's just too risky
[19:25] <lool> it's why I care that we get the system updates autotested in our image testing before we release new images; this kind of bug freaks me out that people can't update  :-)   I guess they can still phablet-flash
[19:26] <barry> lool, ralsina, gatox that would be great.  my plan is to have my integration branch ready for monday morning.  then if udm is published by then, i can do upgrade testing with my branch on my real device and if that looks good, upload the new s-i on monday
[19:26] <ralsina> barry: mandel starts like 5 hours before you
[19:26] <ralsina> barry: he could doublecheck and land this before your EOD
[19:27] <ralsina> sorry SOD
[19:27] <barry> ralsina: true, but will it get published for armhf by then?
[19:27] <ralsina> well, worst case it would be in the same image as your code
[19:28] <lool> I was thinking a bit the same earlier, but wasn't sure; I kind of feel safer about having it in images earlier
[19:28] <cwayne_> alecu, is there an AS call to pin something to the launcher?  doing it from dconf doesn't quite seem to work..
[19:28] <lool> it's a regression for software not yet in the image, but that we're trying to land monday
[19:28] <ralsina> ok, so we'll try to merge it today if we can get enough testing for confidence
[19:29] <ralsina> plus surely those 3 hour tests are no fun in landing :-)
[19:29] <lool> ralsina: what I care to land it in image is that it doesn't regress click
[19:30] <lool> ralsina: mandel can confirm the system-image bits were indeed ok to land monday
[19:30] <ralsina> lool: that's the IRL we are about to do. Checking with click and click-update
[19:31] <lool> cool
[19:33] <tedg> mhall119, I remembered I have this branch that adds the calendar URL, pretty much shows what you need: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/calendar-url/+merge/188146
[19:36] <barry> ralsina, lool thanks guys!
[19:36] <lool> barry: have a good week-end
[19:37] <barry> lool: thanks!  hug your kids :)
[19:37] <lool> I'll squeeze him
[19:42] <mhall119> thanks tedg, hadn't had a chance to work on it yet though
[19:45] <mhall119> tedg: am I missing something?  I don't see tests/dispatcher-test.cc in trunk
[19:45] <mhall119> ah, nvm, I see it needs lp:~ted/url-dispatcher/testability too
[19:47] <mhall119> tedg: can I build this on my laptop?
[19:47] <Sam_> Hi All. Just a quick question  - Will development of the Ubuntu OS be carried out for the HTC Desire (Bravo) and if so is there a time scale?
[19:49] <tedg> mhall119, Yes
[19:49] <tedg> mhall119, bzr bd
[19:49] <tedg> mhall119, Or "cmake . && make"
[19:50] <tedg> mhall119, Hopefully charles will review that testing branch soon so it gets in trunk <hint, hint>  ;-)
[19:50]  * tedg isn't subtle
[19:50] <mhall119>  /w 78
[19:53] <charles> mmm, unit tests
[19:56] <charles> tedg, if you're in a reciprocating kind of mood, https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/ubuntu-system-settings
[19:57] <bfiller> mhall119: what's the trick to install apps from the apps scope? I keep getting Error Log onto your Ubuntu One account
[19:58] <tedg> charles, Sure
[19:58] <mhall119> bfiller: have you logged into your U1 account?
[19:58] <mhall119> bfiller: that's something new, btw
[19:59] <bfiller> mhall119: no I haven't
[19:59] <mhall119> davmor2: I think my son has a future in QA, he's breaking this connect4 game
[20:00] <karni> Hey guys :) Anyone knows what would cause that error in Unity plugin? (unity8/plugins/Ubuntu/.. sort of plugin)
[20:00] <karni> file:///usr/share/unity8/Dash/DashMusic.qml:21:1: module "Ubuntu.Demo" is not installed
[20:00] <karni> It works when I use the run_on_device, but when I build a deb and install it, it says my plugin, Ubuntu.Demo is not installed
[20:01] <mhall119> bfiller: seems logging into your U1 account makes installing work again
[20:01] <alecu> cwayne_: the scope is not pinning things to the launcher yet. What do you mean by "AS call to pin" ?
[20:02] <cwayne_> alecu, like, some gdbus call to accountservice to add it
[20:02] <bfiller> mhall119: yup, working now. thanks
[20:02] <alecu> cwayne_: ah, I don't know. And I don't understand why accountservice has to do with it!
[20:03] <cwayne_> alecu, it seems to handle launcher items now
[20:03] <cwayne_> no worries, i'll figure it out somehow!
[20:07] <alecu> cwayne_: I'm taking a look too, because I need it for a further branch
[20:07] <alecu> cwayne_: it seems to be done in plugins/Unity/Launcher/backend/launcherbackend.cpp in lp:unity8
[20:08] <alecu> cwayne_: and you are right, it's definitely using AccountServices
[20:09] <alecu>         m_accounts->setUserProperty(m_user, "com.canonical.unity.AccountsService", "launcher-items", QVariant::fromValue(items));
[20:10] <alecu> I wonder if there's a simpler way to use this from the scope, because I don't want to repeat all of the code in launcherbackend.cpp in Vala :P
[20:11] <alecu> hmm... and this code will need the adding of the third slash to "application:///" uris
[20:12] <cwayne_> alecu, yeah, i expected that
[20:12] <cwayne_> alecu, so what we're trying to do is have the dconf defaults that it pulls from include a click app
[20:12] <cwayne_> it's proving to be much more difficult than anticipated
[20:14] <mfisch> cwayne: do you know where the settings migration code is?
[20:14] <alecu> cwayne_: I expect another problem: this code is assuming that no other piece of code touches the value stored in AccountsServices
[20:14] <alecu> cwayne_: while the dash is running, that is.
[20:15] <alecu> cwayne_: in my case, I need to pin apps from the click app preview while the dash is running
[20:15] <alecu> so, I definitely can't use AS directly
[20:16] <alecu> I'll need to let the dash know when the user pins or unpins apps from the preview.
[20:16] <cwayne_> oof
[20:16] <cwayne_> alecu, sounds fun :P
[20:17] <alecu> indeed
[20:17] <mhall119> holy grouper!  My N7 has audio now!?!
[20:17] <ogra_> danm
[20:17]  * ogra_ makes a note to break it again
[20:17] <ogra_> thats wasnt planned !
[20:17] <ogra_> *that
[20:17] <ogra_> :)
[20:20] <mhall119> ogra_: don't make me come over there
[20:20] <ogra_> haha
[20:32] <mhall119> tedg: does the url dispatcher go by the order of things in the file and stop when it hits the first match?
[20:33] <tedg> mhall119, Uhm, kinda.  It does application:/// first.
[20:33] <tedg> mhall119, But the order shouldn't matter, it's only alphabetical.
[20:33] <tedg> mhall119, I make no promises there.
[20:33] <pmcgowan> mhall119, short term there should be 1-1 matchup
[20:34] <mhall119> pmcgowan: what do you mean?
[20:34] <pmcgowan> mhall119, there wont be more than one target for a url
[20:35] <pmcgowan> or am i missing your question
[20:36] <mhall119> pmcgowan: well it's possible to have a URL match more than one regex
[20:36] <pmcgowan> mhall119, example?
[20:37] <mhall119> /home/phablet/Videos/misplaced_file.pdf
[20:39] <tedg> mhall119, That's a job for content-hub, not url dispatcher.
[20:39] <tedg> mhall119, We'll kill all the file:/// URLs shortly after 13.10.
[20:39] <tedg> mhall119, They were just a work around.
[20:44] <mhall119> tedg: why would it be a job for content-hub?
[20:49] <tedg> mhall119, Because content hub can do content type matching.
[20:49] <tedg> mhall119, Also, confined apps won't be able to read anything in ~/Videos anyway.
[20:55] <mhall119> tedg: that depends on their confinement doesn't it?
[20:56] <mhall119> tedg: I was going to add URL handing for files that the ubuntu-docviewer-app can open
[20:56] <tedg> mhall119, So wouldn't those be files in it's own directory?
[20:56] <tedg> mhall119, That's what mediaplayer-app and musicplayer-app are doing.
[20:57] <tedg> Oh, I think it's music-app
[20:57] <mhall119> yeah, those use $HOME/Videos/ and $HOME/Music/ respectively
[20:57] <tedg> Yes, and they have special access to allow reading those directories.
[20:58] <mhall119> tedg: so my use-case is I download a PDF file from the webbrowser, the webbrowser should be able to launch the docviewer-app to show it to me
[20:59]  * mhall119 is ignoring for now the use-cases around using the filemanager app
[20:59] <mandel> barry, ping
[20:59] <tedg> mhall119, Yes, so it'll need content hub to cross the application boundries.
[20:59] <mhall119> tedg: which means I have to download the PDF in the browser, then go open the docviewer, then have it open the content-hub, then find the file I downloaded 3 steps ago?
[21:00] <tedg> mhall119, I haven't followed content-hub recently, but last time I was in the conversation there was a push mode as well.  For instance, you could use it for printing.
[21:00] <pmcgowan> tedg, I think this is a url handler case
[21:01] <mhall119> hmm, I'llhave to look into that then, who's responsible for content-hub?
[21:01] <tedg> pmcgowan, url-handler only does the strings, it doesn't reach into sandboxes.
[21:01] <tedg> mhall119, kenvandine
[21:01] <pmcgowan> true
[21:01] <pmcgowan> so unless the docviewer could take an http url
[21:01] <mhall119> it can take a file:/// url
[21:02] <pmcgowan> it would be an export then, but that seems awkward
[21:02] <mhall119> the docviewer would work the same way the music-app does
[21:02] <tedg> mhall119, The problem is the the url browser would have would be file:///home/phablet/.cache/com.ubuntu.developer_webbrowser_1.2.3/myfile.pdf
[21:02] <mhall119> url-handler doesn't have to "reach it", it just has to call the app with the file as a parameter
[21:02] <mhall119> "reach in"
[21:03] <mhall119> tedg: yes, the docviewer would need a more liberal security policy
[21:03] <tedg> mhall119, Read everything on disk?  :-)
[21:03] <pmcgowan> maybe we allow read access to the downloads folder to specific apps, but that sounds dicey
[21:03] <mhall119> tedg: everything under $HOME
[21:03] <tedg> That's why we have the content hub specifically.  We should use it :-)
[21:04] <pmcgowan> mhall119, it does make sense in that nothing else on the system can deal with a .pdf or .doc
[21:05] <tedg> pmcgowan, But that's not really true, if you install libreoffice or inkscape on your tablet, they'll both want those as well.
[21:05] <tedg> PDFMod also.  That's one of my favorites :-)
[21:07] <jdstrand> yes-- why wouldn't docviewer use content-hub? would just need a content provider that gives a file view
[21:07] <jdstrand> or something more elegant
[21:07] <jdstrand> gallery for Documents
[21:07] <pmcgowan> tedg, then it seems you turn off app confinement
[21:07] <pmcgowan> root your phone and party on
[21:08] <jdstrand> inkscape and libreoffice are debs right now-- they aren't confined
[21:08] <tedg> pmcgowan, I don't want to root my phone!  That sounds scary.  We don't have that kind of relationship.
[21:09] <tedg> pmcgowan, The goals were that we could provide Gtk/Qt file browser backends to use content hub as well.
[21:09] <tedg> pmcgowan, So then those apps would with the same kind of system.
[21:09] <jdstrand> to clickify things like that, we need to come up with something that they can use under confinement. there are several ideas-- inluding LD_PRELOAD tricks to use an out of process file picker (eg, the content hub)
[21:09]  * jdstrand is with tedg :)
[21:10] <tedg> It's clear, if you disagree, you disagree with ALL of Texas now!
[21:10] <tedg> ;-)
[21:11] <jdstrand> \o/
[21:22] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: ping
[21:22] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, hi
[21:27] <stgraber> slangasek, mfisch, lool, jdstrand: boot time hooks: https://code.launchpad.net/~stgraber/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/boot-hooks/+merge/188172
[21:28] <stgraber> it's extremely simple yet works great here (just tested with a bunch of jobs depending on various things and did an upgrade to make sure new-version works as expected)
[21:37] <cipri> hi. Is there a wish-list  of packages / applications  for ubuntu touch?  I would like to have TeXLive on ubuntu touch (on nexus 10 ) . so that I can use it for writing my LaTeX documents.
[21:39] <slangasek> stgraber: looks straightforward.  We are assuming /userdata is never wiped?
[21:40] <slangasek> cipri: that's not the sort of thing we would include in the ubuntu touch images.  I suppose someone could package TeXLive as an app in the app store, but I'm not sure what that would even look like...
[21:41] <stgraber> slangasek: correct, you'd need a full factory reset for that file to go away in which case I don't think re-running new-version should be an issue
[21:41] <slangasek> ok
[21:41] <slangasek> should we pre-populate it at phone flash time?
[21:42] <slangasek> mandel: I see that https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/allow-empty-hash had another rev pushed to it after the jenkins review... is this in need of a resubmit?
[21:43] <stgraber> slangasek: not sure, it may actually make sense for most hooks to run on first boot too (thinking of apparmor profile generation for one), so having it trigger with OLD_VERSION=0 NEW_VERSION=<current> should be fine
[21:43] <mandel> slangasek, yes, and we are talking about the semantics of it, but I would merge it
[21:43] <cipri> slangasek, I was thinking that the ubuntu on ARM, are also aiming to be as productive as the normal versions. This was not the commercial of ubuntu touch?
[21:44] <slangasek> stgraber: ok.
[21:48] <cipri> having a full-pc in your phone, was this not the idea of Shuttleworth  in the promotional videos?
[21:48] <slangasek> cipri: convergence is a longer-term goal.  Initial releases targeting the phone are focused on the requirements for the phone market.  As an end-user, you do have the option of making your OS install read-write by touching /userdata/.writable_image and using apt to manage the packages.
[21:53] <slangasek> mandel: "would" merge it?  so, is there still something outstanding before it gets merged?
[21:54] <mandel> slangasek, failing test
[21:54] <slangasek> oh, hmm
[21:55] <mandel> slangasek, exactly, but I've just got it fixed :)
[21:55] <slangasek> ok then :)
[22:06] <mandel> slangasek, I pushed the fix, waiting for jenkins to pick it up, and helping barry with the last fix
[22:06] <slangasek> mandel: sweet!
[22:07] <ejat> what format video that ubuntu touch can play ?
[22:07] <ejat> is it base on the video folder ?
[22:25] <ejat> what video format supported in touch ?
[22:27] <barry> slangasek, mandel latest branch passes all my tests
[22:27] <slangasek> barry: huzzah
[22:28] <barry> slangasek: *and* in 853s
[22:28] <barry> so a little slower, but that's expected, and still totally within reason
[22:28] <hmrubin> Her
[22:28] <hmrubin> Hey
[22:28] <slangasek> barry: oh, excellent
[22:29] <hmrubin> Quick question
[22:29] <mandel> slangasek, is slower that the other branch because it does not break the code in a 1000 diff places, told barry the reason :)
[22:29] <mandel> slangasek, FYI => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/count-ref-cache-management/+merge/188170
[22:29] <barry> slangasek: and that's without any unexpected test skips (i still have a few for reasons unrelated to this integration work)
[22:29] <hmrubin> When the online website says nexus 7 does that mean the original one too
[22:30] <Tassadar> that _only_ means the original one
[22:30] <barry> slangasek: i think at this point, mandel can go ahead and land this work, and i am going to start working on cleaning up and prepping a merge of s-i
[22:31] <hmrubin> Wait so it isn't the 2013 version it's the 2012
[22:31] <hmrubin> I have the 2012
[22:31] <slangasek> hmrubin: yes, the reference device for this was the 2012 (codename grouper)
[22:32] <hmrubin> OK and is that still in developer stage
[22:32] <hmrubin> Cause i wanna dual boot
[22:32] <slangasek> barry, mandel: ok, great.  Once udm lands in the archive, I'll be sure to do a live test on my phone of s-i :)
[22:33] <slangasek> hmrubin: see the link in the topic for status: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo
[22:33] <slangasek> hmrubin: but we don't support dual-booting
[22:33] <barry> slangasek: my branch is up-to-date, though i still have a few things to clean up, but it'll be a good live test
[22:38] <slangasek> barry: so you didn't take lp:~vorlon/ubuntu-system-image/lp1196991/ ?
[22:43] <mandel> slangasek, barry I'm off to bed then, is kinda late here, I have told a couple of people to take a look at the branch, if there are any needs fixing I'll take care in the morning
[22:43] <barry> slangasek: nope, sorry, never got to it ;)
[22:43] <barry> mandel: thanks very much for staying up for us!
[22:44] <slangasek> barry: it still applies and afaics is still correct per se
[22:45] <barry> slangasek: cool.  i'll put it on the merge list