[15:00] <TheNightPhoenix> thelinuxer hey
[15:01] <thelinuxer> TheNightPhoenix: hey man
[15:01] <TheNightPhoenix> so what happend in the meeting
[15:02] <thelinuxer> i just the meeting minutes men shewaya
[15:03] <TheNightPhoenix> fen ?
[15:03] <thelinuxer> to the mailing list
[15:04] <thelinuxer> wait
[15:04] <TheNightPhoenix> wsl aho
[15:04] <thelinuxer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2011-3-11
[15:04] <TheNightPhoenix> so  what is requierd from me about the courses preparation ?
[15:05] <thelinuxer> i don't know ya man, that was what we were supposed to agree on in the last meeting
[15:05] <thelinuxer> lama enta magetsh
[15:05] <TheNightPhoenix> ah i knwo
[15:05] <thelinuxer> 7aseet eno el mafrood azabato ana we7'alas
[15:05] <TheNightPhoenix> and im really sorry bas kan fe family emegrny
[15:06] <TheNightPhoenix> 5las tmam
[15:06] <thelinuxer> no need to be sorry
[15:06] <TheNightPhoenix> no problems
[15:06] <thelinuxer> if u still want to be involved in the courses and course preparation sha3'al
[15:06] <TheNightPhoenix> any way lw fe 7ga as3d feha count me in y3ny
[15:07] <thelinuxer> bos
[15:07] <thelinuxer> fe 7agteen
[15:07] <TheNightPhoenix> ha
[15:07] <thelinuxer> course preparation and i think we should do it together if u want to be involved
[15:07] <thelinuxer> and the other one is the course itself
[15:07] <thelinuxer> wa7ed feena 7ayedy el session weltany 7aykoon fel lab beysa3ed, wala eih ra2yak ?
[15:08] <TheNightPhoenix> tmam mzbot
[15:08] <TheNightPhoenix> hwa el nzam bymshy ezy y3ny el labs
[15:09] <thelinuxer> send me ur number  secretly
[15:18] <thelinuxer> TheNightPhoenix: check this out http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A9,+%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1&aq=0&sll=30.058193,31.217694&sspn=0.007726,0.021136&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Al+Msaha,+Egypt&ll=30.035816,31.214111&spn=0.002048,0.005284&t=h&z=18
[15:20] <TheNightPhoenix> tmam h7wl ashof hr7lo ezy :D
[15:20] <thelinuxer> TheNightPhoenix: eshta
[15:20] <thelinuxer> we kalemny law feeh moshkela
[15:20] <TheNightPhoenix> tmam
[15:21] <thelinuxer> keda m3adna isA yoom el talat
[15:21] <TheNightPhoenix> isA
[15:21] <TheNightPhoenix>  el s3a kam
[15:21] <thelinuxer> we 7awel badry keda el sa3a 6 masalan
[15:21] <TheNightPhoenix> ok
[15:25] <TheNightPhoenix> tmam gbt path laziz
[15:25] <thelinuxer> eshta


[01:42] <doctormo> Well yes
[17:26] <pleia2> doctormo: ok, with art.ubuntu-owl.org do you want to do an initial bzr pull over what exists there now?
[17:27] <pleia2> I went ahead and did the symlink for the .htaccess
[17:29] <doctormo> pleia2: Yes, pull over what we have, we can fix any mistakes.
[17:29] <pleia2> can you give me instructions for doing that?
[17:30] <pleia2> or is there a way you can do it?
[17:48] <doctormo> pleia2: mv existing_dir somewhere_temporary; bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-owlers/ubuntu-learning-materials/art-website original_dir_name
[17:48] <doctormo> sorry for the delay, didn't catch your response.
[17:49] <doctormo> I can't do it because of the protected files in there.
[17:50] <doctormo> Then you would just move the 3 symlinks back in and we'll do a test by running the sync command and seeing if it kills those symlinks


[04:35]  * belkinsa smells a blog post about what happened on the mailing-list
[06:21] <dholbach> good morning
[06:40] <dpm> good morning all
[08:25] <czajkows1i> aloha
[13:58] <dholbach> mhall119, developer.u.c on staging looks good - but I can't find the gadget snap list plugin
[14:04] <mhall119> dholbach: let me check the code
[14:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, latest trunk is on staging? :-O
[14:05] <dholbach> davidcalle, I don't know
[14:05] <mhall119> dholbach: where did the code for that live in the devportal branch?
[14:06] <davidcalle> dholbach, just checked, it's not, it's normal that the gadget snaps list is not htere yet
[14:06] <dholbach> oh ok
[14:06] <dholbach> mhall119, ignore me
[14:06] <davidcalle> mhall119, ^
[14:06] <dholbach> sorry for the noise
[14:06] <mhall119> ah, yeah, mojo-prod has r137 of the production branch, not latest trunk
[14:06] <mhall119> the importer admin stuff looks like it's there now, after webops re-ran the update-common make target, davidcalle can you confirm?
[14:07] <davidcalle> dholbach, mhall119, easy way to know if we have latest trunk : check for the existence of developer.staging.ubuntu.com/translations-dashboard/
[14:07] <davidcalle> mhall119, oh oh. /me checks
[14:07] <dholbach> :)
[14:08] <davidcalle> mhall119, the "staging" site or another ip like yesterday?
[14:08] <mhall119> staging is the domain you linked to above
[14:08] <mhall119> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/en/ is an actual production environment, deployed with mojo
[14:09] <mhall119> please check that new production environment
[14:09] <mhall119> once we are happy with it, we will point the domain developer.ubuntu.com over to it
[14:11] <davidcalle> mhall119, yep, I can confirm that  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ has the tool that will explode in our face if we use it on a juju env at r137, all good :D
[14:12] <mhall119> cool, so let's not use it :)
[14:13] <davidcalle> mhall119, that... that means, we are actually going to have a new developer.ubuntu.com live like... today? \o/
[14:14] <dholbach> I refuse to believe what you're saying
[14:14] <mhall119> whoa now, don't go that far
[14:15] <mhall119> davidcalle: "maybe by the end of this week" ;)
[14:18]  * davidcalle recorks the champagne
[14:37] <popey> davidcalle has revealed himself to be faux-french!
[14:37] <popey> no self respecting frenchie puts the cork back in!
[14:38] <davidcalle> popey, ***shh, let's keep pretending I'm not about to finish the bottle***
[14:38] <popey> also, you can drop the fake accent now, it's fooling nobody :)
[14:40] <davidcalle> popey, unfortunahtely zis iz my reel accent :)
[14:40] <popey> :)
[14:40] <mhall119> oh no, he ws secretly german all along!
[14:41]  * popey actually had to say that outloud in a silly accent just to check
[14:41] <mhall119> did you do it as a Bond villain too?
[14:42] <popey> no, but i did get some garlic first
[14:44]  * davidcalle stops twirling his mustache
[15:00] <popey> TEAM MEETING!
[15:00] <popey> :)
[15:04] <mhall119> yay?
[15:44] <mhall119> oh wow, we have lots of Ubuntu merch on SnapDeal now: http://ubuntu.snapdeal.com/
[15:47] <dholbach> nice
[15:50] <balloons> wow, that's nice
[16:03] <dholbach> all right my friends - see you tomorrow!


[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #55409 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Typo in Ubuntu Documentation" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55409
[05:33] <nixternal> jjesse_: how can you find out if that was fixed?
[05:33] <nixternal> I would just fix release, and if it isn't fixed, someone will reopen it
[05:52] <ubotu> New bug: #118963 in ubuntu-docs (main) "postfix chroot environment doesn't have ca-certificates" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118963
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #122614 in ubuntu-docs (main) "gutsy "About ubuntu" says 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122614
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> j1mc: feel free to send those comments to me whenever you get home, I'll be free all day: I may go out for dinner as well
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> beside, I'll be working on release notes
[10:25] <j1mc> ok  :)
[10:28] <Admiral_Chicago> so i'll be up late


[00:14] <chenxy> hello
[01:42] <ionite> how do i check my own KDE version? how can i also check for KDE updates?
[01:44] <Axlin> Open any KDE application (e.g., Dolphin) and go to Help->About KDE
[01:44] <Axlin> As for updates, there are repositories if you want to keep KDE more up-to-date
[01:49] <Axlin> For KDE 4.7: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports               For KDE 4.6.5: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[01:50] <Axlin> Be sure to read the descriptions so you can choose the best one for you. The backports repository is less tested, but I personally have not had any issues using it.
[01:50] <ionite> Axlin: so how do i check for updates?
[01:51] <Axlin> It's quickest to do this in Konsole. First you'll add your repository (either: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  or: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa depending on which one you select)
[01:51] <Axlin> Then run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:51] <Axlin> It will run the update in the Konsole. Just wait for it to finish.
[01:52] <Axlin> Then the repository you added will continue keeping KDE up to date, and will give you updates through the normal update manager (KPackageKit)
[01:53] <ionite> Axlin: the new kde sc 4.7 is ut just launched in recent days? what's the latest? it's still in the beta period?
[01:54] <Axlin> 4.7 is official. It released a couple weeks ago, and is the latest.
[01:54] <ionite> Axlin: meaning it's out of it beta stages? what's new?
[01:55] <Axlin> Yep, it's out of beta. Here's the overview: http://kde.org/announcements/4.7/
[01:55] <ionite> Axlin: are u using it now?
[01:55] <Axlin> Yep.
[01:56] <Axlin> It's a good release, but I had issues with my theme. But that's probably just me. I was able to fix it by installing oxygen-transparent from kde-look.org and using that, with opacity at 100%. No biggie.
[02:00] <ionite> Axlin: i'm now using 4.5 how do i upgrade to 4.7? would it disturb my settings and other files?
[02:02] <Axlin> There's always the potential of introducing problems, but it has been solid for me so far. Either way, you should back up your /home directory before upgrading, just in case (don't forget hidden files/folders). Then, in Konsole, you'll do this:
[02:02] <Axlin> 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports     2. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:03] <Axlin> Then restart
[02:03] <Axlin> It may take some time to run the update, so be patient :)
[02:07] <TheSimkin> hey guys, getting error "Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?"
[02:07] <TheSimkin> i tried calling qdbus and I am told it is not installed and to install a package... but the package is already installed (and i did a --reinstall)
[02:07] <ionite> Axlin: maybe i'll upgrade a year later. till the support is better and the dust settles. haha
[02:08] <TheSimkin> i am on oneirec if that is relevant.
[02:08] <Axlin> Hehe well, Kubuntu 11.10 will be shipping with KDE 4.7, so you could just wait a couple of months for its release (late October).
[02:10] <Axlin> TheSimkin: It could be relevant. There is an #ubuntu+1 channel for support with Oneiric specifically. They may be able to assist you better.
[02:13] <TheSimkin> thanks axlin
[02:17] <ionite> Axlin: thanks for ur help
[02:19] <Axlin> np
[02:38] <dante_fluffytail> hey all
[02:39] <dante_fluffytail> anyone willing to help a new kubuntu user with a network q?
[02:41] <dante_fluffytail> guess not
[02:47] <jetscreamer> just ask, sheesh
[02:47] <jetscreamer> !ask
[02:54] <dante_fluffytail> well i asked if there was anyone willing cause 1) out of 250 people in chat, no one's talking and 2) didnt want to just walk in and rudely go "hey, you dont know me, but i expect you to help me fix this".  ie, just trying to be polite
[02:55] <dante_fluffytail> here's my problem though: i installed kubuntu 11.04 to a usb drive earlier.  i've booted it up on my mom's dell netbook.  i've gone through settings and found the wireless network we have here in the house.  i've put the password in.  problem is it just wont connect
[02:55] <bazhang> dante_fluffytail, the nature of IRC is ask your issue
[02:57] <dante_fluffytail> it works fine with it plugged up to the router (its what im on right now), but i cant get it actually connect to the wireless
[03:02] <dante_fluffytail> does anyone have any ideas on any settings i should check out?  i can set the interface to desktop or netbook
[05:06] <dan___> Hello
[05:25] <sabayonuser> is Kubuntu slower than Ubuntu ?
[05:25] <Guest63391> hi, I am putting a new hard drive into this computer, and I am going to install fresh.  I want to save my plasma desktop layout, and my panel and widgets...   What configuration files do I copy?  and then I want to make them the system default for all new users... I don't see the documentation on how to do this
[05:26] <Guest63391> sabayonuser: no... They are very similar
[05:26] <sabayonuser> i just don't like GNOME 3 verymuch T_T
[05:27] <Guest63391> sabayonuser: KDE generally feels faster to me.   Urm... you may be using the ubuntu netbook theme... It is abosultely horrible. There are ways to move away from it
[05:28] <Guest63391> It took me a couple of hours to figure it out in Kubuntu to turn of the netbook interface (It hid the web browser..  I was installing off of usb, once the system was installed the link to the webbrowser worked, then I could find a way to make it usable)
[05:29] <sabayonuser> Guest63391: thk i plan to try Kubuntu soon
[05:29] <Guest63391> also, uninstalling the netbook workspace results in an unusable system... one must switch to regular KDE before uninstalling that garbage
[05:30] <Guest63391> This also let to my multiple hours of hair pulling... but once I got KDE up, I love it.
[05:31] <Guest63391> Really,  the user interface should make things easy, KDE can be configured to do that.  (I will not diss gnome... nobody cares to hear what they have heard many times)
[05:31] <Guest63391> sabayonuser: yes, do it!
[05:32] <Guest63391> sabayonuser, all you have to do is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from your ubunut
[05:59] <Guest63391> ok, so I just backed up /home/aaron/.config/kde/share/config    I don't see anything usefull in any of those files.. so I donno if it will work or not
[05:59] <Guest63391> but I also don't see any other kde configuration files
[06:40] <mrtkusa> Hello, How do I tell if my Kubuntu 11.04 install is 64bit or 32?
[06:42] <mrtkusa> Shhhhhhh, I really can't remember which it is.....don't tell anyone
[06:42] <rww> mrtkusa: run "uname -m" in terminal. i686 is 32-bit, x86_64 is 64-bit.
[06:42] <mrtkusa> ty
[06:43] <mrtkusa> ok, it's 64
[06:43] <mrtkusa> ty  :-)
[07:56] <latagore> anyone here at the moment?
[07:56] <alvin> !anyone
[07:57] <latagore> alvin: It is 4 in the morning here, and I don't plan on staying here for too long, so that's why I asked : P
[07:57] <Who> .mobi reader for kubuntu !
[07:57] <Who> i mean do you guys know any
[07:58] <latagore> a process called akonadi_control was going completely awol on me, spawning applications that consumed gigabytes of RAM each, any idea how I might find the problem?
[07:58] <alvin> I have no idea what .mobi is
[07:58] <rww> it's an eBook format
[07:58] <rww> Who: I use Calibre for all eBook stuff, try that and see if it works.
[07:58] <alvin> latagore: I wish, yes :-) what's your version of kmail2. Is it the new one (from the experimental repository)?
[07:59] <latagore> alvin: I haven't grabbed anything from the experimental repos
[07:59] <latagore> alvin: I'm not sure about the version, it should be the most recent from the default repositories
[08:03] <alvin> latagore: What's the output of akonadictl --version ?
[08:04] <latagore> alvin: does akonadi have anything to do with mySQL queries? I made a MySQL server earlier today, and the errors seem to correspond to the times of the system freeze
[08:04] <alvin> latagore: Akonadi uses a database, yes. Mostly it is an internal MySQL instance.
[08:05] <alvin> You can see it's settings in 'Akonadi Server Configuration' (search for it in the menu. There is no entry)
[08:06] <latagore> If it is an internal MySQL instance, it probably doesn't have anything to the databases my server is hosting
[08:06] <latagore> so I'll put that aside for now
[08:06] <latagore> alvin: my version of akonadi is 1.4.2
[08:07] <latagore> alvin 1.5.2*
[08:07] <alvin> ok, must be the stable one.
[08:07] <alvin> You can restart akonadi with akonadictl stop/start
[08:08] <alvin> Also, disable nepomuk. I have the newer version and performance is much worse.
[08:14] <alvin> It's great technology, but the hardware isn't ready I guess. If you search bugzilla ( http://bugs.kde.org ), you'll find a lot of bugs regarding performance troubles. Virtuoso looks like the worst.
[08:16] <latagore> Sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
[08:16] <latagore> Virtuoso definitely gave me problems as well
[08:17] <latagore> Eating half my disk space in an hour
[08:19] <[DIWMS]> :D
[08:20] <alvin> That's the problem. Computers nowadays don't have enough memory and disk space to properly read emails.
[08:30] <latagore> alvin: I disabled Nepomuk but it says it is still active
[08:31] <alvin> Kill it!
[08:31] <latagore> I did
[08:31] <latagore> It starts up every time I start a new session
[08:32] <latagore> alvin: But it literally gets so slow I can't kill it until like a minute later
[08:32] <alvin> Oh. Hmm, I can disable it here. Kontact does complain, but it's possible. I'm running the version from experimental. (upstream says it's 'stable but needs testing')
[08:32] <alvin> Yes, it does that :-) I believe there is a support page on http://www.kde.org. Let me see
[08:32] <latagore> I did disable it from a long time ago, but it says it was active for some reason
[08:33] <alvin> Here: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi There is also a link on that page to a troubleshooting page.
[08:34] <latagore> Could any of my new installations have affected it, or was it more likely an update I applied to Akonadi
[08:34] <alvin> nepomuk is the semantic desktop. I don't see the use, but a lot of money was payed on research in that regard. Guess I don't get it. I just sort everything in directories where I can find my stuff back later.
[08:35] <alvin> latagore: There haven't been any updates in a long time, aside from the recent version, so I don't believe it was an update.
[08:35] <alvin> Your mail is still being fetched without akonadi I believe. Only your contacts use akonadi.
[08:37] <alvin> latagore: This might be your bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246678
[08:37] <latagore> alvin: I might have been using an oldversion; how can I look at the logs for the updates I installed today?
[08:37] <alvin> latagore: Good question. You remember running updates?
[08:38] <latagore> alvin: I believe so, at least sometime this week
[08:38] <alvin> latagore: /var/log/aptitude
[08:38] <alvin> I always use aptitude, maybe you need another log file for whatever apt-related software you're using. (It changes every Kubuntu release)
[08:39] <alvin> Ah, there is also /var/log/apt/history.log
[08:41] <latagore> alvin: I just looked it up; no changes to akonadi since I installed it from the live CD
[08:42] <latagore> I'm going to look through the bug report now
[08:43] <alvin> latagore: Well, it's on your own risk if you follow my advice, but you can assume the upgrade to KDE 4.7 is relatively safe. (it actually fixes a lot of bugs). You'll need to # apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports). This will not give you the new kmail. That one is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental and risky.
[08:45] <latagore> alvin: It already looks like the time when I have to reinstall kubuntu, so I'll give it a try later :P
[08:45] <alvin> I did both, but on a fresh installation. The akonadi migration wizard messed everything up here. (Might have something to do with Kolab being overlooked by the devs)
[08:45] <alvin> Try the troubleshooting akonadi page first then.
[08:47] <latagore> alvin: Is the page you gave me the troubleshooting page for akonadi? I don't really know how to navigate the wiki
[08:47] <alvin> latagore: It's this one: http://userbase.kde.org/Special:MyLanguage/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[08:49] <latagore> alvin: alright, I'll look over the bug report and troubleshooting page
[08:49] <latagore> I have trouble shutting down as well, oddly enough
[08:50] <latagore> It won't power down, and the problem appeared just as I got this problem
[08:50] <latagore> This is crazy :[
[08:52] <alvin> Yes, yes it is. Maybe in a few years I'll have the skills to really start debugging. Might also have a 256MB ram computer and don't need it of course.
[08:52] <alvin> There'll always be mutt too ;-)
[08:52] <alvin> They should change their slogan to "All mail clients suck resources"
[08:55] <latagore> My problem seems to be getting closer to the bug report, and I looked at the table of contents for troubleshooting and that doesn't seem to be in
[08:55] <latagore> it
[08:56] <latagore> alvin: would you know any logs that could help me explain why my system doesn't shut down?
[08:57] <alvin> Well, you can enable apport in /etc/default/apport, but boot logging... If you don't find it in /var/log/messages somewhere, I fear you are lost.
[08:58] <alvin> Kubuntu uses upstart. Upstart isn't known for proper logging. The bug about missing logs has been open for several years. I've given up on it.
[08:59] <alvin> There isn't a message on screen about the shutdown?
[08:59] <alvin> You can always $ sudo reboot That should reboot properly, in theory.
[09:00] <alvin> (Unless you happen to use NFS shares. In that case, you'll get a kernel panic)
[09:00] <alvin> Hmm, I sound a bit bitter there.
[09:02] <latagore> alvin: It's alright. sudo shutdown -P 0 is what I tried and doesn't work. It hangs after a blank screen is brought up. I stopped one of my servers, so that may have resolved the issue, but I definitely don't want to start another KDE session to have it hang because of akonadi again!
[09:04] <alvin> Yes, it is a troubled situation. I'm a sysadmin at a company where we use kubuntu in a multi-user environment. (10 people using the same server). Currently, they are on lucid, but I don't think I will continue this way. Imagine 10 people using akonadi on the same system. What computer will be able to run that?
[09:05] <alvin> Currently nepomuk just segfaults and leaves zombies. A fix will probably never be backported, but it's still better than the newer resource hungry version.
[09:10] <latagore> alvin: Do you know anything about other stable full desktop environments?
[09:11] <alvin> latagore: Well, we were using CDE before this :-) But that is really old. I liked KDE3 a lot, and that's why we're using KDE4 now.
[09:11] <alvin> Gnome people are completely on drugs nowadays, as is Canonical with Unity. The worst part is that multi-user hasn't been working in Gnome for years now. They removed XDMCP support from gdm.
[09:12] <alvin> I'm now thinking LTSP with KDE4 and reporting as much bugs as possible. We will probably ditch Kontact, disable nepomuk and switch to webmail.
[09:12] <latagore> you could also try Xfce on your personal computer
[09:13] <alvin> I did and liked it, but after a while I was using XFCE with a lot of KDE3 software. After I got a faster computer, I switched to full KDE.
[09:14] <latagore> ah. I have an unrelated question; how did you learn so much about linux? I feel that I'm quite in the dark about many things about linux
[09:14] <alvin> Actually I still think KDE is interesting. Akonadi is a great idea, and maybe nepomuk too. If inly they weren't so resource hungry. The bad think about Kubuntu is that it is Ubuntu based. Ubuntu is losing a lot of stability the past years.
[09:15] <alvin> latagore: I have been using linux since 2000, so you pick up some stuff. But other than a bit of perl, I'm no programmer.
[09:15] <James147> latagore: it largly takes time and research :) plus allot of playing around with stuff :D
[09:16] <latagore> James147: The playing around with stuff is something I am unfortunately well acquainted with
[09:16] <alvin> Oh, and I was lucky. I did take a year of lessons for beginners. That was becaus I couldn't get debian installed. The computers were so slow we had to use the command line. No X. That was the best that ever happened. If you know the command line, you'll have less troubles.
[09:17] <James147> latagore: :) yeah, I broke allot of stuff in my early days.. but over time you learn how to fix things... espically if you break allot of things :D
[09:17] <latagore> I think it's time I switch to a more stable distribution
[09:17] <alvin> And X back then took some configuring to get started ;-) Also, I learned that Gentoo was a great distribution for beginners, because of its installation guide.
[09:17]  * James147 prefers arch due to the not needing to wait hours for compile new updates ^^
[09:18] <latagore> James147: I've broken a great deal of things. Unfortunately I haven't figured out how to fix them yet : D
[09:18] <James147> but arch/gentoo are a great way to learn the inns and outs of linux
[09:19] <alvin> latagore: I have been looking for that. (a stable distribution). I'm under the impression that distributions used to be more stable, but can be wrong. Ubuntu is clearly NOT a stable distribution, but in this case you have to separate KDE from the Ubuntu part. The Ubuntu part is mostly unstable. KDE.. Well, there are monthly updates. Most distributions with a stable core, (like debian stable) have old KDE versions. It's a bit of a problem.
[09:19] <James147> (even just reading the beginners installtion guides :D )
[09:19] <latagore> James147: Do you think you could direct me to one of these installation guides?
[09:20] <James147> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide
[09:20] <alvin> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/read.html (I did that one a few times. There's ONLY the guide)
[09:21] <James147> yeah, lfs is another way to go, though not very useful for a desktop system (takes allog of effort to maintain)
[09:21] <James147> though good to do at least once  (probally in a vm)
[09:22] <alvin> Very true. It's mostly a learning experience. When I was a student and could skip lessons, it was a fun thing to install.
[09:22] <James147> ^^ though this conv should probally be in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:23] <latagore> James147: No one is here to supervise...right :D
[09:23] <James147> latagore: thasts not the point ^^ this channel is to help people and that gets hard if its filled with random convsations :)
[09:24] <alvin> We're not disrupting any questions right now, but I'm willing to move.
[09:24] <latagore> I'm likely to head to bed, since it's 5 in the morning
[09:24] <James147> alvin: no, but sometimes questions get asked and then missed due to convstations so its best to keep the channel clear
[09:24] <James147> latagore:  :)
[09:25] <latagore> another night at debugging linux for normal desktop use
[09:25] <alvin> Whoa, goodnight then. I'm getting another morning coffee.
[09:27] <latagore> That said, I think I will just do a fresh install and remove akonadi and nepomuk upon installing when I get back to computer administration
[09:27] <latagore> Good day, James147, alvin. Thanks for the help
[09:34] <zack1233> Olá
[09:38] <zack1233> alguem pode me ajudar instalar o Empathy no Ubuntu 11.4
[09:38] <zack1233> ?
[10:19] <zelda> Hi, I have some queries with Kubuntu 11.04 on a multitouch tablet.
[10:20] <zelda> By default 11.04 worked great with out of the box bluetooth setup
[10:20] <zelda> The finger touch on the screen worked like a touchpad
[10:21] <zelda> Is there anyway to make it behave point-touch like in Ubuntu?
[10:21] <zelda> However the pen works as expeected
[10:21] <zelda> The issue right now, when I hook the tablet to a TV through hdmi and boot up. I t starts in what seems to be Kubuntu Mobile.
[10:22] <zelda> And as soon as I touch the screen with finger the OS goes crazy and constantly flickers, as if somebody has pressed tab key.
[10:22] <zelda> Any ideas and suggestions?
[10:22] <zelda> First thing I am looking forward to is to disable Finger touch?
[10:26] <James147> zelda: i have a feeling it probally seting it to absalute rather tehn relitive mode ^^ though I am not sure where you cna do that
[10:27] <James147> not sure why it goes crazy though :S
[10:28] <zelda> James147: What does absolute and relative mode refer to?
[10:28] <James147> zelda: touch screen control, relitive is what a touchpad normally does, absalute is that a tablet normaly does
[10:32] <zelda> James147: Could not find that settigs, I think now I would rather disable the finger touch, because the digitizer works great (with pressure sensitivity too). also because currently pen and finger touch does not work great simultaneously (no palm rejection yet).
[10:34] <James147> zelda: anything in system settings > input devices?
[10:40] <zelda> James147: Nope, no options there to change from relative to absolute. Under the TouchPad tab there are a couple of settings related to how touch pad works . IBut now I know which driver is behind the finger touch, it is called eGalax_empia Multiutouch controller. I will search around on how to disable it.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[12:02] <Jarris> i have got some troble with my graphics chip configuration (kubuntu 10.04). but when i tryed kubuntu (10.10) booting from CD, graphic-configuration where perfect, which config files do i have to copie? i copied the folder /usr/shard../xorg.conf.d from CD to /usr/lib../xorg.conf.d/, but failed.. any help would be very nice, thanks in advance
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Jarris, which graphics ? the kernel source driver on the live cd obviously worked fine . Xorg.conf isn't necessarily the problem on 10.04 , have you been keeping up with updates and upgrades ?
[12:21] <Jarris> using kernel 2.6.32-33-generic
[12:24] <Jarris> did you ask for what problem i have? biggest problem is that i aktualy have 1280x1024 but i would like to have 1920x1080
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Jarris, ok ,which graphics card / chip ?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> are you using VGA or DVI/HDMI into your monitor , Jarris ?
[12:27] <Jarris> VGA
[12:28] <Jarris> looking for nae of the chip
[12:28] <Jarris> *name
[12:28] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA in the terminal
[12:30] <Jarris> send you the output in a query
[12:33] <BluesKaj> well, you're using the right driver altho nvidia-current has many versions depending on your hardware . Also what size  monitor ?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> some vga inputs can't handle 1920x1080
[12:35] <Jarris> but they did while cd booted Kubuntu was runing
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Jarris, that tells me the kernel source driver in 10.10 is capable , while your installed on is not , or so it seems .
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Jarris, sudo apt-cache  policy nvida-current . that will tells which driver version ..then you might need to upgrade
[12:39] <Jarris> Unable to locate package nvida-current
[12:40] <BluesKaj> err sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[12:40] <BluesKaj> mispelled, sorry
[12:40] <Jarris> so you think a distupgrade will fix it, but i will get 11.04, wound i? you think it will fix it anyway?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> lets see which driver you have first
[12:41] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[12:42] <Jarris> send output in query
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Jarris, Pici , makes a good point here ...try dist-upgrade and then we'll see
[12:44] <Pici> It won't bring you to the next release of Ubuntu.
[12:46] <Jarris> what will it do istead?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> upgrade the installed package like it says above
[12:46] <BluesKaj> packages rather
[12:48] <Jarris> i will not get 11.04? so what is the command to upgrade to 11.04
[12:48] <Jarris> ?
[12:49] <Jarris> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[12:49] <Jarris>   xul-ext-ubufox
[12:49] <Jarris> The following packages will be upgraded:
[12:49] <Jarris>   ubufox
[12:49] <FloodBotK1> Jarris: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Jarris,  you can't jump over versions ..you either should do a clean install or you'll have to upgrade 10.10 first then upgrade again to 11.04
[12:50] <Jarris> kk
[12:50] <BluesKaj> upgrade to 10.10 first
[12:51] <BluesKaj> the command is sudo do-release-upgrade..if you want to use the terminal , Jarris
[12:54] <Jarris> sorry i will need some sec, some partitions are nearly full ..
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Jarris, are you going to clean install or ?
[12:57] <Jarris> just did the dist-upgrade and got an arror, wills end you in query
[12:58] <James147> !paste | Jarris
[12:58] <James147> ^^ queries are useless for anyone else trying to help you ^^
[13:00] <Jarris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/669206/ like this ?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Jarris, exactly
[13:03] <BluesKaj> looks like firefox/ubuntu installer errors
[13:03] <Jarris> restart requierd, see you soon *hope so..
[13:12] <Jarris> so, i will do do-release-upgrade now, and it will automatically upgrade to 10.10?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Jarris, yes , it will take between 1 2 hrs or so depending on your internet connection
[13:15] <BluesKaj> 1-2
[13:16] <Jarris> seems not to work
[13:16] <DaemonFC> I hope you don't mean 11.10
[13:16] <DaemonFC> the first thing it would do right now is not boot :)
[13:16] <Jarris> i have to configure japt-proxy
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Jarris, I'm restricted to 800kbs download speeds here and it takes about 2.5 hrs to totally download and install
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Jarris, sudo do-release-upgrade
[13:18] <BluesKaj> DaemonFC, he's upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10
[13:21] <Jarris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/669221/
[13:21] <James147> Jarris: need to change from lts to normal release in one of the configs :p
[13:22] <James147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[13:29] <Duolos> I'm having a problem with Eclipse (#eclipse is barren) in Kubuntu.  For some reason, it seems to be missing fonts and displaying empty boxes in place of characters in most of my code.  Any ideas?
[13:30] <Jarris> i would like to skip configuring japt, couse i sould set up an central pakage-administration-programm for the computers of my local network anyway. could you recommend one to me?
[13:31] <James147> Jarris: japt?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> BBL
[13:33] <Jarris> was it an question to me James, or an anser?
[13:33] <James147> ^^ question
[13:34] <Jarris> japt-proxy
[13:36] <Jarris> and what is BBL ?
[13:36] <James147> why configure that? just need to change the config on your box
[13:38] <Jarris> how?
[13:39] <James147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades
[13:39] <James147> ...
[13:54] <BluesKaj> jarris , or here  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:14] <johndone> hi, where does dolphin store the login informations for network shares?
[14:16] <alvin> johndone: I suppose that would be kwallet
[14:16] <avihay> johndone: I don't know, first guess would be kwallet
[14:17] <johndone> nope, I checked kwallet but could only find log in information for a different server
[14:17] <avihay> you mean shares on your computer?
[14:19] <johndone> I have my notebook with dolphin and two servers, I can access both without typing in any login information (only did once for each) but kwallet only shows login data for one of them
[14:30] <alvin> Maybe you have set up public key authentication without password?
[14:50] <kingh3mp> hi
[14:51] <kingh3mp> i have a question
[14:51] <susundbe1g> !ask
[14:51] <kingh3mp> a friend told me lenex has alot of available games how can i access these
[14:53] <DarthFrog> lenex?
[14:53] <szal> wth is lenex?
[14:53] <susundbe1g> Evil twinbrother of linux?;)
[14:53] <kingh3mp> i been fiddling with this thing an i think i have it kinda figured out lennex is cool linksword2 converte me from windows xp professional
[14:54] <DarthFrog> kingh3mp: The name is Linux.  Not lennex, Linux.
[14:54] <kingh3mp> sorry got the spelling wrong
[14:54] <kingh3mp> *slaps self*
[14:54] <DarthFrog> kingh3mp: The fellow who developed it, his name is Linus.  Thus Linux.
[14:55] <kingh3mp> ah
[14:55] <DarthFrog> kingh3mp: As for your question, open the package manager and search for "game".
[14:56] <kingh3mp> ok brb
[15:12] <kingh3mp> i found it im waiting to see wat happens
[15:14] <kingh3mp> this hp blows
[15:15] <DaemonFC> I had an HP that blew
[15:15] <DaemonFC> it left burn marks on the wall
[15:15] <DaemonFC> :)
[15:15] <kingh3mp> late 2004 hp pavillion dv-1000 1.7 ghz
[15:15] <kingh3mp> lol
[15:15] <kingh3mp> this one gets hot
[15:16] <kingh3mp> i want a quad core dell or somthin like that
[15:17] <DaemonFC> Dell doesn't have much selection, and the 1-2 Ubuntu models all have Intel
[15:17] <DaemonFC> meh
[15:18] <kingh3mp> im not real familiar with laptops
[15:18] <kingh3mp> i had a few desk tops that i loved
[15:22] <kingh3mp> thanks for the help darthfrog
[15:22] <kingh3mp> im off to work
[15:26] <Duolos> I'm having a problem with Eclipse in Natty: http://postimage.org/image/36bwwq6zo/ looks like missing fonts.  Anyone know how to fix that?
[15:43] <mintlars_> Ok, anyone got time to help with a bogged akonadi-server? Figure it's probably some easy fixes, but not sure how.
[15:45] <mintlars_> Here's my akonadi self-test report: http://pastebin.com/UdSbk0Mb
[15:51] <mr-rich> is there a setting for "sloppy focus" in 11.04 (kubuntu)?
[15:51] <mintlars_> anyone?
[15:52] <mr-rich> mini
[15:52] <mr-rich> mintlars_: bogged down how?
[15:53] <mintlars_> well, it simply won't start
[15:53] <mr-rich> what won't start? the computer or a program?
[15:54] <mintlars_> kmail's not working, kadressbook's not working and not kcal either
[15:54] <mr-rich> Ok ... so programs aren't starting, correct?
[15:54] <mintlars_> exactly
[15:54] <mr-rich> What is the uptime on the computer?
[15:55] <mintlars_> uptime as in...?
[15:55] <mintlars_> I just restarted it
[15:55] <mr-rich> as in uptijme -a
[15:55] <mr-rich> oh ...
[15:55] <mintlars_> the thing is, it's not completely random
[15:55] <mr-rich> damn ...
[15:56] <mr-rich> I thought it might be the kpackagekit bug again ...
[15:56] <mr-rich> but if you just restarted, that's not it ...
[15:56] <mintlars_> before the restart I was messing around to get Drupal and Joomla up on this can
[15:56] <mintlars_> and it got kind of messy, so I had to remove and reinstall Mysql amongst other things
[15:57] <mr-rich> That shouldn't affect anything ...
[15:57] <mr-rich> why couldn't you get a CMS running? what problems where you running into?
[15:59] <mr-rich> I assume you're trying to get a local LAMP working?
[15:59] <mintlars_> can't really remember now, but as I said, it involved doing a purge and reinstall of Mysql (also apache2 and php5, but guessing it has not much to do with this)
[16:00] <mintlars_> seems like something happened though as akonadi is complaining of not finding default settings in Mysql
[16:00] <mintlars_> amongst others
[16:00] <mr-rich> so, you installed all the LAMP stuff ... where did you try to install the CMS?
[16:01] <mintlars_> the CMS itself went into /var/www/<name of CMS>
[16:02] <mintlars_> both require a mysql-db though as I understand (at least I was asked to create one for each, which I did)
[16:02] <mr-rich> Ok, that sounds right ...
[16:02] <mr-rich> and what happened during the CMS install process?
[16:04] <mintlars_> my first try with Drupal, went just fine, but when I tried to get Joomla in, that's when things started to go wrong, I found that I couldn't access the phpmyadmin amongst others
[16:05] <mintlars_> my logic was to try from scratch again, purging what I installed for this, and reinstalling it to get it to work
[16:06] <mintlars_> and it did actually :P
[16:06] <mintlars_> except now I got this problem instead
[16:06] <mr-rich> Ok, so you said kmial won't start?
[16:06] <mintlars_> correct
[16:07] <mr-rich> Go to a terminal and type "kmail" and hit enter ...
[16:07] <mr-rich> tell me if you see any messages ...
[16:08] <mr-rich> so, Drupal & Joomla! are working?
[16:09] <mintlars_> Joomla and Drupal are working
[16:09] <mintlars_> I'll paste the output in pastebin, hold on
[16:10] <mintlars_> http://pastebin.com/RiEg5GXd
[16:11] <mintlars_> when running kmail in terminal, the program starts, but I can't do anything in it 'cause it's giving me akonadi-errors and the whole mail-area of the window is greyed out
[16:15] <mintlars_> here's a screenshot of it to: http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=2370
[16:17]  * fayaz is having a dejavu on seeing that screenshot...
[16:17] <mintlars_> :P
[16:18] <fayaz> mintlars_: which version of akonadi and kmail are you using? i used to get this error long back...
[16:20] <terbaddo_> I have a problem with smooth tasks
[16:20] <fayaz> mintlars_: is your mysql running? do a 'ps aux|grep mysql'
[16:20] <mr-rich> It appears as though something in the mysql install is hosing up akrondi ... not sure what I can suggest ...
[16:21] <mintlars_> mysql is running alright
[16:21] <fayaz> mintlars_: uhh... akonadi runs a mysql of its own
[16:22] <mintlars_> ok, this is the output I got: mysql     1092  0.0  0.2 139764  9092 ?        Ssl  17:10   0:01 /usr/sbin/mysqld
[16:22] <mintlars_> lars      7904  0.0  0.0   5148   524 pts/1    D+   18:20   0:00 grep mysql
[16:22] <fayaz> something like "/usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/home...."
[16:22] <fayaz> only two lines?
[16:23] <mintlars_> yep
[16:23] <mintlars_> missing one ?
[16:23] <mintlars_> ...or a few?
[16:23] <fayaz> mintlars_: yeah...
[16:23] <terbaddo_> When I create a launcher for application and I close it, plasma-desktop crashs
[16:23] <fayaz> 1
[16:24] <mintlars_> ok, seems reasonable akonadi would complain then :P
[16:24] <mintlars_> so I just need to start it up then?
[16:25] <mintlars_> got I kewl command for that?
[16:25] <mintlars_> *a
[16:25] <fayaz> mintlars_: try 'akonadictl start'?
[16:25] <fayaz> terbaddo_: which application?
[16:26] <terbaddo_> @fayaz Smooth tasks (widget for plasma)
[16:27] <terbaddo_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268256
[16:27] <terbaddo_> I have the same problem
[16:28]  * fayaz shrugs
[16:28] <mintlars_> posted output of 'akonadictl start': http://pastebin.com/1nw1KueC
[16:29] <mintlars_> kmail's still not working after
[16:29] <mintlars_> I especially like the last line there, seems like akonadi and I aren't the best friends right now :)
[16:31] <fayaz> mintlars_: this is probably nothing, but did you try a system-wide restart?
[16:32] <mintlars_> I could try and come back, but as I said earlier, this happened right after a restart
[16:32] <mintlars_> I'll try it though and come back
[16:32] <mintlars_> brb
[16:35] <terbaddo_> Anyone ?
[16:36] <mintlars> ok, so restarted now and still got the sam problem
[16:37] <seingh> Hello to all
[16:38] <seingh> Hello to all
[16:38] <mintlars> thinking of just reinstalling the whole akonadi-realted thingy's and see if it fixes it
[17:26] <bbeck> I asked this over on the KDE channel, but I didn't get much of a response so I am trying here:  In dolphin I can set tags on files, but how do I search for those tags?
[17:30] <James147> bbeck: the search bar in dolphin? or alt+f2 or kmenu  should be able to as far as I know though I havent really tested tagging yet
[17:31] <bbeck> I've tried that, it doesn't seem to work.
[17:33] <Peace-> bbeck: 1 activate stringi and nepomuck
[17:33] <Peace-> then indicize the folders you need to indicize
[17:33] <Peace-> you have to add folders you need
[17:33] <Peace-> to indicize
[17:33] <Peace-> then you can search
[17:34] <James147> bbeck: works from alt+f2 here
[17:38] <bbeck> hmm, I don't have stringi enabled, I guess that might be my problem.
[18:40] <PythonSnake> KDE wins. Period.
[18:40] <PythonSnake> KDE wins. Period
[19:04] <Phoenixz> Im installing Kubuntu 11.04 right now on a new laptop, but as with my previous laptop install (9.04) I want to have an LVM based install.. This worked on 9.04 without problem, but now on 11.04, I have the logical volumes available, but when I select them to assign them to mount points, Kubuntu installer wants to install a partition table there.. WTF? How can I get this installed?
[19:05] <Phoenixz> The kubuntu installer should recognize the logical volumes as partitions, not a complete device..
[19:06] <rww> Phoenixz: If you're using a Desktop CD, the Desktop CD does not do LVM.
[19:07] <rww> (one uses the Alternate CD for that, RAID, and other similar tech)
[19:07] <Phoenixz> rww: I know, Im using a hack, start to desktop, install LVM, create PV, VG and the logical volumes, then start the installer..
[19:07] <Phoenixz> this worked perfectly on the 9.04, which recognized the logical volumes as partitions..
[19:08] <rww> Alrighty. I'm sticking with my answer of "Use the Alternate CD instead of hackiness". :P
[19:09] <Phoenixz> Why cant kubuntu live not just support lvm? its really a fairly simple thing that has served me on many occasions
[19:12] <Phoenixz> Next problem: How can I download the alternative CD? http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download has info about the alternative CD, but no download link.. It seems there is a bit torrent link, but please tell me that I do NOT have to bit torrent that thing?
[19:13] <Phoenixz> And now it is there.. weird thing
[20:10] <terbaddo_> Comment on désactive le tilling de KWin ?
[20:11] <Pici> !fr | terbaddo_
[20:12] <terbaddo_> damn
[20:13] <terbaddo_> so, how to disable the KWin tilling effect ?
[20:16] <Cobold> I have a problem with iBus. It only works in KDE applications for me, but not anything else (firefox, libreoffice)
[20:39] <mr-rich> is there any way to set "sloppy focus" in Kubuntu 11.04?
[21:05] <sven_oostenbrink> mr-rich: what would sloppy focus be?
[21:07] <mr-rich> Well, in FC5, I could focus a window without being on top
[21:07] <mr-rich> sven_oostenbrink: ^^^
[21:09] <mr-rich> sven_oostenbrink: I could do something like move the mouse wheel and the window would focus but not be on top ... so I could, say, read form one window and type into another window underneath it ...
[21:11] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, make sure you have blur tuned off in desktop effects
[21:13] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: blur is now off ... still no "sloppy focus"
[21:20] <mr-rich> Got it ... I think ...
[21:50] <sven_oostenbrink> Just installed kubuntu on a Dell E6400, and wifi is not working.. I tried using Jockey to install it, but jockey fails.. any ideass?
[21:53] <BluesKaj> sven_oostenbrink, which wifi chip ?
[21:54] <sven_oostenbrink> BluesKaj: BCM4312
[21:54] <BluesKaj> !bcm | sven_oostenbrink
[21:58] <sven_oostenbrink> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/669582  According to that site, my wifi should be supported, but jockey fails with this log..
[22:02] <BluesKaj> sven_oostenbrink, sudo modprobe wl
[22:10] <sven_oostenbrink> BluesKaj: FATAL: Module wl not found
[22:38] <joshua__> is there a good twitter client for KDE?
[22:39] <joshua__> btw hello
[22:42] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a reason that Amarok crashes when you try to play music files from a folder?
[22:44] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: is it an evil folder?
[22:44] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[22:47] <SIR_Taco> sure you have all the codecs for your given directory?
[22:48] <LINKSWORD2> Please explain?
[22:51] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: the are all MP3? OGG?  When I first ran Amarok.
[22:55] <LINKSWORD2> That was back when 10.04 came out.
[22:56] <SIR_Taco> do you get an error running amarok from the command line?
[22:57] <LINKSWORD2>  Let me find out.
[22:57] <SIR_Taco> well, Konsole I should say
[22:58] <sven_oostenbrink> on a dell e6400, I have (I think) bad 3d performace, glxgears shows some 50FPS.. What might be a solution to improve this?
[22:58] <SIR_Taco> sven_oostenbrink: any idea what your video card is?
[22:59] <szal> if you don't have one, get one -> lspci -k <- look for "VGA", also shows what driver it uses atm
[23:00] <sven_oostenbrink> SIR_Taco: Intel Mobile 4 series chipset integrated graphics controller...
[23:01] <szal> sven_oostenbrink: for improved Intel drivers you can essentially only wait till the next *buntu release -> new kernel, new Intel drivers
[23:01] <LINKSWORD2>  amarok -- debug (Fixed it!)
[23:01] <sven_oostenbrink> szal: are you kidding me? Thats it, intel drivers curerntly suck, come back next year? :S
[23:02] <sven_oostenbrink> Im reading a lot on the internet about UXA, which is from 2009, which should improve speed a LOT
[23:02] <sven_oostenbrink> but, that requires some xorg configuration, and as I understood it, X no longer uses a configuration file..
[23:03] <SIR_Taco> sven_oostenbrink, szal is giving you a solution to your problem...
[23:03] <szal> sven_oostenbrink: X doesn't use a config file by default, you can still produce one & it will be used
[23:03] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: you fixed it then?
[23:03] <szal> and other than waiting for the next release, you could perhaps try the newer-X-stuff PPAs (Ubuntu-X-Swat and Xorg-Edgers)
[23:03] <LINKSWORD2> I think so...
[23:04] <sven_oostenbrink>  SIR_Taco: "Wait till next release" isnt really a solution..  I'm on many channels helping others, I know the drill.. Its just that it means that there is no solution, and ... well, thats a bit dissappointing, comming from Ubuntu :S
[23:07] <sven_oostenbrink> szal: I know, it was nothing personal
[23:08] <LINKSWORD2>  xD
[23:09] <sven_oostenbrink> |~
[23:09] <SIR_Taco> sven_oostenbrink: ok, fair enough... but intel cards are hit or miss
[23:09] <SIR_Taco> and 3D is more of a miss 99% of the time
[23:11] <SIR_Taco> It's nice that Intel put their driver out there.... but it really doesn't make their hardware any better
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> I think I *could* be better, enough to run general desktop effects, etc. but they haven't put that much effort into it
[23:16] <SIR_Taco> maybe I do have the uncanny ability to remove people from IRC....
[23:18] <szal> lol


[02:37] <DarkTrick> even if an app does not have the focus, selections appear as if they were selected (e.g. thunar) or text-cursors are blinking (e.g. GhostWriter)
[02:37] <DarkTrick> It seems like it is an application-dependend behaviour (?)
[02:37] <DarkTrick> Is this so?
[02:37] <DarkTrick> Shouldn't the windowing system (?) ensure, that these things don't happen?
[02:37] <DarkTrick> Sorry, maybe this was not the appropriate channel.
[04:49] <DarkTrick> -----------
[04:51] <DarkTrick> the last sentence was actually not meant to be here.
[04:54] <Unit193> ᗣ ᗣ ᗣ   ᗧ * * * * * *
[06:00] <DarkTrick> "Bugreport": I get screen freezes: Nothing I do with the keyboard or mouse has any response. Like all windows, panel, etc is frozen. But I can still move my mouse
[06:01] <DarkTrick> This happens, when I switch applications or click links inside firefox
[06:01] <DarkTrick> I don't know how to figure out more details, so I just write it here.
[06:01] <DarkTrick> Maybe someone can use this information in some way
[06:02] <DarkTrick> (The freezes last for a few seconds. Then everything gets back to normal)
[06:06] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, try hw accel in ff.
[06:14] <DarkTrick> where?
[06:14] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, ↑
[06:15] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, run: about:support
[06:16] <diogenes_> features - Compositing what is there? basic?
[06:16] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, not unexpected, but: `about:support: command not found`
[06:17] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, in ff :)
[06:17] <diogenes_> sorry
[06:18] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, says "basic"
[06:19] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, ok now about:config
[06:19] <DarkTrick> but even, if it was firefox, that wouldn't explain the freezes on window switch (per alt-tab)
[06:20] <DarkTrick> gl.require-hardware? false
[06:20] <diogenes_> well as you said it happens only when you click a link in ff.
[06:20] <DarkTrick> "This happens, when I switch applications or click links inside firefox"
[06:21] <diogenes_> i will pasebin what to change in about;config
[06:21] <DarkTrick> thank you
[06:24] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, http://dpaste.com/0SJNY9G
[06:25] <diogenes_> after applying those, go to about:profiles > restart normally
[06:26] <diogenes_> after it restarts go to about:support see if it changed to opengl
[06:35] <DarkTrick> There are no values included. I guess you meant "true"
[06:35] <DarkTrick> but gfx.canvas.azure.backends is a string....
[06:35] <DarkTrick> ah
[06:35] <DarkTrick> my fault
[06:36] <DarkTrick> gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated isn't even present
[06:37] <diogenes_> create it and set as true.
[06:38] <DarkTrick> did not
[06:44] <DarkTrick> g2g now. I'll be back in a few hours.
[10:26] <lovExubuntu> hi everyone...
[10:27] <lovExubuntu> does some here play party poker on xubuntu. ?
[10:34] <diogenes_> lol, is that an invitation?
[10:38] <lovExubuntu> hey diogenes you helpt me yester day
[10:38] <lovExubuntu> thanx !!!! so happy hahaha
[10:39] <lovExubuntu> my girlfriends laptop is so mutch faster with xubuntu
[10:43] <diogenes_> np
[10:43] <diogenes_> btw you can make it even faster.
[10:47] <lovExubuntu> i can ?
[10:47] <lovExubuntu> i also got 2 xubuntu questions...
[10:47] <lovExubuntu> when she is watching a movie... the screen turns black and she have to give pass word..
[10:48] <lovExubuntu> i pot everyting on  with energy on never accu power and net power but it still save s power by putting the screen black..
[10:49] <diogenes_> lovExubuntu, go to settings > Screensaver > turn off "Enable Screensaver"
[10:50] <lovExubuntu> thnx thats it ... it was on and every 5 minutes haha
[10:50] <diogenes_> yeah
[10:52] <lovExubuntu> i believe thats it haha everything works fine now i think i can make party poker to work myself i got a dutch website that says its posible..
[13:34] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, I checked with you pastebin again, but it seems I have everything entered as you say
[13:34] <DarkTrick> I still have no opengl
[13:35] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, did you restart ff?
[13:35] <DarkTrick> btw: why would the change to hw acceleration probably stop the freezing?
[13:35] <DarkTrick> yes, several times
[13:35] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, i never said it would stop the freezing, it's just a try.
[13:35] <DarkTrick> of course, yes. I'd be interested, why this is the trial you ... well ... would try
[13:36] <DarkTrick> That question is basically just to educate myself
[13:39] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, with hw acceleration, it takes a good amount of workload from cpu and transfers it to the gpu so it might be a cause of freezing is that the cpu gets overloaded.
[13:39] <diogenes_> hence the try to enable hw accel.
[13:40] <DarkTrick> right
[13:40] <DarkTrick> thank you
[13:41] <diogenes_> you could also try and see if another browser gets your pc frozen.
[16:59] <hansh> every time i reboot i get this "system error detected" message, how do i get rid of it? https://i.imgur.com/41VtmhY.png
[17:03] <hansh> i'm guessing i would get rid of it if i did ld -s /bin/false /usr/bin/update-notifier
[17:03] <EvaristeGalois> there's another folder that you should empty
[17:03] <hansh> ?
[17:04] <EvaristeGalois> /var/crash
[17:04] <EvaristeGalois> https://itsfoss.com/how-to-fix-system-program-problem-detected-ubuntu/
[21:32] <iwasframed> hi


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[09:16] <kraut> moin
[09:52] <stiv2k> how do i set a static ip for my server
[09:53] <stiv2k> nvm
[09:53] <stiv2k> <3 google
[10:44] <juliux> ood morning
[10:56] <Drazha> odd morning
[12:00] <baggito> odd afternoon
[12:05] <Drazha> soon enough
[12:06] <Drazha> it will be day
[12:06] <Drazha> and then evening
[12:06] <Drazha> and then....
[12:06] <Drazha> the night shall fall#
[12:07] <Drazha> so anyway...
[12:08] <Drazha> WHY Ubuntu Server?
[12:08] <baggito> because we're used to ubuntu now?
[12:08] <baggito> and have faith in their dogma
[12:08] <Drazha> just because of that?
[12:08] <Drazha> that dogma being?
[12:11] <baggito> mmmm
[12:11] <baggito> something about linux and humans
[12:12] <juliux> Drazha, ubuntu rocks, that is all, and pls no flamewars;)
[12:12] <Drazha> actually I am not trying to start a flamewar, honest to god
[12:12] <Drazha> I am just trying to understand, is all
[12:13] <juliux> Drazha, i use ubuntu on servers because i have ubuntu on all my desktop computers and i knwo how to work with ubuntu systems, so it is easier for me to have ubuntu on the server then debian or gentoo
[12:14] <juliux> Drazha, i only have to read one security liste, i only have to test the upgrades on one system
[12:14] <juliux> so its less work for me
[12:15] <baggito> that's basically my idea too
[12:15] <baggito> ubuntu on desktop, ubuntu on server
[12:15] <baggito> develop on desktop, deploy on server
[12:16] <baggito> it's much easier if you don't have to start dealing with package-version skew or trans-location of files
[12:16] <juliux> Drazha, and if i found a problem on my desktop i can fix it theren then i know that this problem can be also on my server but then i know how to fix it
[12:26] <Drazha> hm, ok, so lets say I find that ubuntu has an old version of some app
[12:26] <Drazha> i am back to compiling from scatch and sources?
[12:36] <soren> Drazha: Depends on the app.
[12:36] <juliux> Drazha, i also compile some apps. for example qmail
[12:36] <soren> Drazha: Generally, if you're the kind of person who needs a lot of recent software, you *really* want to be running the latest release.
[12:37] <soren> Drazha: And generally, the software in the lastest release should be quite recent.
[12:37] <soren> Drazha: Also, for some packages, it not really all that difficult to backport it yourself.
[12:37] <soren> Drazha: Are you thinking of any particular app or just asking a general question?
[12:39] <Drazha> just a general question
[12:39] <Drazha> you see, the only reason why I stay on the edge of development because a lot of security features are intriduced, such as in antispam etc...
[12:39] <Drazha> sometimes when one needs to upgrade its living hell
[12:39] <Drazha> so I kinda thought maybe freebsd would be kewl, but i have issues with that...
[12:40] <Drazha> and I havent used debian nor ubuntu that much in server variant to know much about issues such as upgrading etc
[12:41] <soren> Drazha: My upgrade habits are not really sane, so I can't say for sure, but I think generally upgrades are pretty smooth with Ubuntu Server.
[12:42] <soren> (I upgrade at some point during the development cycle, so that doesn't really count)
[12:42] <Drazha> ok so whats the difference between ubuntu desktop and server? no X stuff?
[12:42] <soren> Drazha: it's the same software repository, so the only real difference it the selection of software that gets installed by default. X for instance is not installed by default on servers.
[12:43] <Drazha> I see
[12:43] <Drazha> so just a package selection that is different
[12:43] <soren> Drazha: Yes.
[12:43] <Drazha> if I were silly, I could pretty much easily install just abount anything and make the box everything and nothing
[12:44] <soren> Drazha: Yes. You can easily take a server install and install gnome on it, and presto, it's a desktop! :)
[12:44] <soren> Drazha: Except for the different kernel, of course.
[12:44] <Drazha> a server desktop :)
[12:44] <soren> Drazha: The servers get a different kernel installed by default.
[12:44] <Drazha> hm, they develop a server kernel and a desktop kernel?
[12:44] <Drazha> hehe, this would not have to do with the recent scheduler conflict?
[12:44] <soren> Drazha: I can't remember all the differences, but stuff like using a different i/o scheduler and a lower HZ.
[12:45] <Drazha> :))
[12:45] <Drazha> oh well, I guess it does make sense
[12:45] <Drazha> but I guess one could install both kernels and switch if one is so concerned about that
[12:46] <Drazha> not that running a web app on a box with gnome on it makes sense, but what the hey
[12:46] <soren> Precisely. They share the same repository, so you're not tied into anything.
[12:48] <Drazha> which basically then boils down to, which default MTA is ubuntu using, for example?
[12:48] <soren> None :)
[12:48] <soren> We have a no-open-ports-by-default policy.
[12:48] <soren> ..so we don't install an MTA by default.
[12:48] <soren> Exim and Postfix are both in main.
[12:48] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:49] <Nafallo> do we still? :-)
[12:49] <soren> Nafallo: still what?
[12:49] <Nafallo> soren: have that policy. I thought 5353 had been opened.
[12:49] <soren> Nafallo: Ah, have a no-open-ports-by-default policy?
[12:50] <soren> Nafallo: mdns is a bit special :)
[12:50] <Nafallo> in what ways? :-P
[12:50] <Nafallo> it
[12:50] <Nafallo> it's still an open port
[12:50] <soren> Nafallo: You need to remember that even though we have a no-open-ports-by-default, we still have DNS and DHCP installed, for instance.
[12:51] <Nafallo> soren: do we really?
[12:51] <soren> Nafallo: clients.
[12:51] <soren> Nafallo: They listen for stuff on the network. That's how they work :)
[12:51] <Nafallo> soren: clients doesn't open ports be default no...
[12:51] <Nafallo> soren: dns doesn't listen. it asks.
[12:51] <soren> Nafallo: And how do you think the response gets back?
[12:51] <Nafallo> same with dhcp
[12:52] <Nafallo> soren: well, that's not what we mean by no open ports :-)
[12:52] <Nafallo> soren: ofcourse epiphany open ports when I try to talk to T/80 :-P
[12:52] <soren> Nafallo: That's different.
[12:52] <soren> Nafallo: It's TCP connections.
[12:52] <Drazha> hm
[12:53] <Drazha> well what about ssh? :) is that closed by default as well? :))
[12:53] <soren> Nafallo: Hang on, there's a wiki page about all of this.
[12:53] <soren> Drazha: Not installed.
[12:53] <Drazha> so how the heck do you get in your box remotely?
[12:53] <soren> Drazha: We ship it on the CD, so it's super easy to install it, but it's not installed by default.
[12:53] <Nafallo> soren: there is no open port for DNS on my client.
[12:53] <soren> Nafallo: Try making a dns query and watch your netstat.
[12:53] <Nafallo> soren: two udp for mdns and one for dhclient.
[12:54] <Nafallo> soren: sure, but that's not open by default.
[12:54] <soren> Nafallo: No, but it's not closed either.
[12:54] <Nafallo> soren: that's open on request.
[12:54] <Nafallo> soren: it is closed by default :-)
[12:54] <Nafallo> soren: if the client does not do a request it's closed.
[12:54] <soren> Nafallo: Yes, but the point is that when it's open, anyone can send stuff to it that might exploit a security hole.
[12:55] <Nafallo> agreed. but that's a pretty small chance they'll be able to see the port open and get to send data their in the time-frame :-)
[12:55] <Nafallo> there even
[12:56] <Drazha> hm, whats mdns anyway? I've seen it being mentioned before but was to lazy to google it
[12:56] <Nafallo> automatic service discovery
[12:57] <soren> Nafallo: A small chance is all a dedicated malicious person needs.
[12:58] <Nafallo> well, you can't talk to thinks if you don't listen for answers. if you're that paranoid you shouldn't even have the PC connected to electrical power.
[12:58] <Nafallo> s/nk/ng/
[12:58] <soren> Nafallo: I'm not suggesting that we should disable dns or dhcp.
[12:58] <Nafallo> good ;-)
[12:58] <soren> Nafallo: I'm just pointing out that there *is* in fact stuff that evil-doers can connect to if they want.
[12:59] <Nafallo> sure, but most scriptkiddies can't :-)
[12:59] <Nafallo> the chance getting struck by those are fairly much higher.
[12:59] <soren> Nafallo: Sure they can. Just keep flooding until it opens up.
[01:00] <soren> Nafallo: a) the code has been audited many times, b) we can't really live without DNS capabilities.
[01:00] <soren> Nafallo: Hence, we accept this (minimal) risk.
[01:00] <Nafallo> then scriptkiddies must have became much better in the last years then :-)
[01:00] <soren> Nafallo: They just have more bandwidth :)
[01:01] <Nafallo> hm. food. bbl.
[01:01] <soren> Nafallo: The mdns code has been audited, and the impact of a compromise has been deemed very small.
[01:01] <soren> Nafallo: On servers, though, we don't install it by default.
[01:03] <Nafallo> I know :-)
[03:23] <boxrock> can someone tell me how i play a wav file from shell? i get "oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp" from flite
[03:29] <sommer>  boxrock: you can try aplay.
[03:30] <sommer> comes with alsa-utils
[03:31] <boxrock> aplay x.wav => PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused
[03:32] <sommer> is the module for your sound card loaded?
[03:33] <boxrock> i can play the wav file from GUI
[03:33] <boxrock> but i need CLI
[03:34] <sommer> mmmm...mplayer works from CLI.  Kind of a big package though.
[03:36] <baggito> mplayer is a good choice. it's quite robust
[03:36] <baggito> esdplay aswell, if you're using ESD
[03:36] <baggito> wait no. i'm talking crazy
[03:38] <baggito> yes it's in esound-clients package
[04:01] <lamont> soren: listening on <IP_ADDRESS> is allowed under the no-open-ports policyu
[04:01] <soren> lamont: Right.
[04:01] <soren> lamont: Have I said otherwise?
[04:16] <jdstrand> dendrobates: good morning
[04:16] <jdstrand> dendrobates: got your email about auth-client-config-- thanks
[04:16] <dendrobates> good morning
[04:17] <jdstrand> dendrobates: I also go the email about the change in the wiki.  notably:
[04:17] <jdstrand> wait a sec, I think I misread it
[04:18] <jdstrand> ok so no migration script?
[04:19] <dendrobates> no, in the interest of time
[04:20] <jdstrand> seems reasonable.  your assertion here may be over simplified:
[04:20] <jdstrand> If /etc/libnss-ldap.conf or /etc/pam_ldap.conf exist, notify user that he must manually migrate the files
[04:20] <dendrobates> feel free to modify it.
[04:21] <jdstrand> in the case that the libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap may not be purged
[04:21] <jdstrand> but removed
[04:21] <dendrobates> true.
[04:24] <jdstrand> will ldap-client-config depend, suggest, or recommend one or both of libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap?
[04:27] <dendrobates> I am working on  a dependency tree now.
[04:28] <jdstrand> ldap-client-config could conflict with a versioned libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap, then when libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap are upgraded, they can remove those conffiles
[04:29] <jdstrand> but then you'd need to be sure that they got upgraded before ldap-client-config
[04:30] <dendrobates> that will work if a user installs ldap-auth-client.  It will install everything.
[04:31] <dendrobates> But there are some complexities I am still learning.
[04:31] <jdstrand> right-- but on a standard upgrade, ldap-client-config wouldn't get installed yet
[04:32] <jdstrand> I am looking at this backward.
[04:32] <jdstrand> libnss-ldap must depend on ldap-client-config to have any configuration at all
[04:33] <jdstrand> libnss-ldap gets upgraded, and removes the old conffile
[04:33] <dendrobates> It does.
[04:33] <jdstrand> ldap-client-config create /etc/ldap.conf
[04:33] <jdstrand> ldap-client-config doesn't have to care at all about libnss-ldap.conf
[04:34] <jdstrand> it could just warn the user that the confiles have moved around, if they are found
[04:34] <jdstrand> but the user is forced to use ldap-client-config to configure
[04:35] <dendrobates> yes.  I think it all works, but I need to look at all the use cases to make sure.
[04:36] <jdstrand> it does not provide a smooth upgrade though-- meaning pre-existing configuration is not preserved.  :(  But that was punted anyway
[04:36] <jdstrand> at least for gutsy
[04:36] <jdstrand> gutsy+1 is LTS?
[04:37] <dendrobates> yes.
[04:37] <jdstrand> so work could be done on the migration script for dapper to gutsy+1
[04:38] <dendrobates> I'm thinking of checking for the old conffiles at preinst, and kicking out before install so the user can fix it. What do you think?
[04:38] <dendrobates> yes on the dapper to gutsy+1
[04:39] <dendrobates> the problem is once the new pam_ldap and nss_ldap are installed there old confiles are useless and the system is broken.
[04:40] <jdstrand> to my thinking, if libnss-ldap and/or libpam-ldap are installed or removed but not purged, you will always hit that condition
[04:41] <jdstrand> on upgrade of course
[04:41] <dendrobates> true.  It will require user intervention.  Either migrate or purge than install.
[04:42] <dendrobates> brb
[04:42] <jdstrand> maybe for gutsy, an informational message stating the the conffile has moved to /etc/ldap.conf, but that it cannot be migrated and that they will be prompted for configuration via ldap-client-config
[04:43] <jdstrand> s/migrated/migrated automatically/
[04:45] <jdstrand> this would have to be done in both libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap
[04:45] <jdstrand> could also talk about the benefits of using a unified conffile, to make the pill go down easier.  :)
[04:46] <jdstrand> really-- since libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap will depend on ldap-config-config, you could put that message in ldap-client-config
[04:48] <jdstrand> as such, maybe rather than removing libnss-ldap.conf and pam-ldap.conf, those should be moved to libnss-ldap.conf.obsolete and pamldap.conf.obsolete, and the user told about that, so that the files are still available to compare with /etc/ldap.conf
[05:05] <dendrobates> jdstrand: are you talking about gutsy or gutsy +1
[05:05] <jdstrand> gutsy
[05:06] <jdstrand> gutsy+1 can keep working on migration script
[05:06] <jdstrand> for gutsy+1, only give message to user if the migration failed
[05:07] <jdstrand> these are ideas mind you.  but seems to work
[05:08] <jdstrand> to summarize my thoughts:
[05:08] <dendrobates> So you want to rename, and configure no matter what?
[05:08] <jdstrand> for gutsy-- yes, unless that migration script is ready
[05:10] <dendrobates> I see what you are saying, but I am not sure that pitti will be satisfied.
[05:10] <jdstrand> I don't find it particularly satisfying
[05:10] <jdstrand> :)
[05:11] <jdstrand> libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap *must* depend on ldap-client-config -- that is a given
[05:11] <dendrobates> I've already modied them to do that.
[05:12] <dendrobates> s/modied/modified/
[05:13] <jdstrand> problem is, on upgrade, without a migration script, I can't see how to do a smooth upgrade, unless you just pick one to copy over
[05:14] <jdstrand> perhaps that is a solution for gutsy.
[05:15] <jdstrand> message: I have detected libnss-ldap.conf.  This file is obsoleted by /etc/ldap.conf.  I can copy it over for you, or you can use ldap-client-config to create a new /etc/ldap.conf"
[05:16] <jdstrand> that is the gist, not the actual message
[05:17] <dendrobates> But what about pam_ldap.conf? Which do we use?  And we would also have to migrate the *.secret file if it exists.
[05:17] <jdstrand> if both libnss-ldap.conf and pam-ldap.conf exist (highly possible with removed but not purged packages), you are in a bind though
[05:18] <dendrobates> That is the dilemma.  I wish we had more time to solve it, but we need to iron this out so it can get approved for gutsy.
[05:18] <jdstrand> why did you remove the checks for the .so files from the spec?
[05:19] <dendrobates> Because that is part of the migration, and I was deferring it.
[05:20] <jdstrand> deferring to what?
[05:20] <dendrobates> deferring it to gutsy+1
[05:20] <jdstrand> checking for the .so solves the purge/remove discrepency
[05:21] <jdstrand> if .so and conf, then cp
[05:21] <jdstrand> if !.so and conf, ignore
[05:21] <jdstrand> that could be optimized...
[05:22] <jdstrand> if .so, then cp
[05:22] <jdstrand> if !.so, then ignore
[05:22] <jdstrand> if libnss.so and libpam.so, then prompt for manual intervention
[05:22] <jdstrand> (don't know if those are the actual .so filenames off-hand)
[05:23] <jdstrand> but you get the idea
[05:23] <dendrobates> I agree with all that you are saying, but I want to get it approved in the simplified way, than if we have time to do a little scope creep before gutsy, fine.
[05:23] <eikke> grmbl
[05:24] <eikke> something's doing an invalid "GET /" request (no http version etc) on a regular base to my https server, request coming from localhost going to localhost
[05:24] <jdstrand> I agree with you too, I just don't think it can be done in a optimal way with conffiles alone
[05:24] <jdstrand> because of remove vs purge
[05:24] <eikke> every 10 minutes or so it does 2 consecutive requests, but I got no clue what causes this, and I hate that feeling
[05:25] <dendrobates> we can check  apt for the status of the packages.
[05:25] <jdstrand> in my experience (and this is esp true with ldap), many people try libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap (lots of different howtos and docs out there)
[05:26] <dendrobates> jdstrand: I have to meet some people for lunch.  Will you be around later?
[05:26] <jdstrand> yes-- after lunch for me too (EST)
[05:26] <dendrobates> ok later then.
[05:26] <eikke> ah, I just set up pam/nss-ldap today :)
[06:11] <lamont> ScottK: you wanna request the 2.4.5-1 sync:?
[06:15] <ivoks> 'evening
[06:16] <mathiaz> ivoks: hi
[06:17] <ivoks> i suggest closing bug 37027
[06:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37027 in samba "Fails to install" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37027
[06:17] <ivoks> this must be product of some unsupported upgrade/install
[06:18] <ivoks> and it doesn't happen on dapper->edgy, edgy->feisty and feisty->gutsy
[06:19] <ivoks> even if it does happen on breezy, oh well, it isn't supported anymore :)
[06:20] <mathiaz> ivoks: it seems that someone was hit by the bug from dapper -> edgy
[06:20] <ivoks> i've tested that enviorment
[06:20] <ivoks> there is no sign of K09samba in /etc/rc*.d/
[06:21] <ivoks> that must've been some leftover from prerelease versions
[06:21] <ivoks> or product of some other package
[06:22] <mathiaz> ivoks: hum. There is a line "samba/generate_smbpasswd doesn't exist"
[06:23] <mathiaz> ivoks: in the output of one apt-get install
[06:23] <ivoks> and that's wierd too
[06:23] <ivoks> cause that exsist on dapper
[06:23] <ivoks> and all other versions
[06:24] <ivoks> take a look at
[06:24] <ivoks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/45229/comments/1
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45229 in samba "dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba (dup-of: 37027)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 37027 in samba "Fails to install" [Medium,New]
[06:24] <ivoks> all reported in may
[06:24] <ivoks> we had no stable dapper release in may
[06:26] <infinity> ivoks: That bug's the product of some bizarre breakage in the gnome network applet, from eons ago.
[06:27] <infinity> ivoks: It keeps cropping up, though, which irks me, because I swear I can't find the offending code anywhere anymore.
[06:28] <ivoks> i belive you, cause i did almost 100 samba installations
[06:28] <ivoks> i've never seen this
[06:29] <ivoks> looking at changelog of sama
[06:29] <ivoks> you did an upload on may, 17.
[06:29] <ivoks> all bugs were repotred 17., 18. and 19.
[06:29] <ivoks> all but this one, which was 2006-03-28
[06:30] <ivoks> (take a look at duplicates of 37027)
[06:32] <ivoks> i would close it...
[06:33] <ivoks> we should have a resolution 'This is alien stuff'
[06:42] <ivoks> looking at the diff from earlier version, there isn't anything
[06:42] <ivoks> this isn't samba bug
[06:42] <ivoks> i'm sure.
[06:45] <ScottK> lamont: I'll take care of it.
[07:01] <lamont> ScottK: thanks.
[07:02] <ScottK> No problem.
[07:14] <ScottK> lamont: How you spend you time is your business, but in my experience trying to give Kmos help is an extremely unrewarding experience.
[07:18] <infinity> ScottK: But my debdiff was so CoC-friendly!
[07:18] <ScottK> I'm just saying.
[07:19] <infinity> Okay, had the changelog entry had s/\./, asshat./, it may have been better.
[07:19] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if a core-dev would ack my Postfix sync bug to the archive.  Bug #130214
[07:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130214 in postfix "Please sync postfix 2.4.5-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130214
[07:19] <infinity> lamont: You aprove of the sync?
[07:19] <lamont> infinity: yep
[07:19] <infinity> lamont: If so, I'll sync it right now.
[07:19] <lamont> it supersedes the ubuntu fixes
[07:19] <ScottK> Cool.
[07:20] <lamont> which ScottK did and I merged.
[07:20] <lamont> ScottK: debian package, in git on an ubuntu machine... it's all good.
[07:21] <ScottK> Even better.
[07:21] <ScottK> I liked that part of debian/changelog too.
[07:21] <lamont> there was a DD who didn't really like it, pointed out that git.debian.org exists
[07:22] <ScottK> And why should a DD be upset if Canonical is paying for the web space to host a Debian package?
[07:23] <infinity> ScottK: Done.
[07:23] <ScottK> BTW, my only solution so far to the personality we were discussing earlier is to just stay off channels he's active on.
[07:23] <ScottK> infinity: Cool.  Thanks.
[07:23] <LiENUS> on a fresh LAMP install how to i use mysql?
[07:24] <lamont> infinity: thanks
[07:24] <lamont> ScottK: I refuse to let someone else determine what channels I don't visit.
[07:24] <infinity> lamont: Don't visit this one ever again.
[07:24] <infinity> (And I could totally back that up if I knew who owned it..)
[07:24] <lamont> :-P
[07:25] <ScottK> In general, I agree, but in his case he does so much damage, it gets me so upset, it's not good for me or Ubuntu.
[07:25] <infinity> Oh, FFS, we never registered it.  It has no owner.
[07:25] <lamont> infinity: fix that or I will
[07:25] <lamont> oh, and op me. :-0
[07:25] <lamont> :-*
[07:25] <ScottK> I've already been way far on the wrong side of CoC for the first time since I've been here.
[07:28] <soren> infinity: Which channel has no owner?
[07:28] <soren> infinity: This one? #u-d?
[07:28] <infinity> Oh, wait, no, it's registered, I'm a muppet.
[07:28] <soren> infinity: thom owns #u-d.
[07:28] <soren> someone named troy owns this one.
[07:28] <soren> No idea who he is.
[07:28] <ScottK> Yes, but your a muppet that sync'ed Postfix, so I'm happy.
[07:28] <infinity> Yeah, I noticed.
[07:29] <infinity> soren: Are you contacting him?  (I was about to, but don't want to flood him with messages)
[07:30] <lamont> ScottK: infinity is _MY_ muppet, that makes him cool. :-)
[07:30] <ScottK> Heh.
[07:30] <ScottK> Well that's the first time I think I've gotten a new bug and fix released in the same bugmail.
[07:31] <infinity> soren: Getting it fixed now.
[07:32] <infinity> soren: I'll op you, lamont, and mathiaz when I take ownership.  Deal?
[07:32] <infinity> Oh, and thom.  Cause thom is love.  Even if he's not idling here right now.
[07:33] <lamont> infinity: sounds good.  thom is love
[07:33] <lamont> remember to give him hugs and beer
[07:33] <infinity> I always try to.
[07:33] <infinity> He didn't visit me when I was in London, though. :(
[07:33] <infinity> Some wishy-washy excuse about his wallet disagreeing with the airfare.
[07:35] <ScottK> Time to go file my launchpad bug of the day.
[07:36] <ScottK> lamont: When you leave the LP bug numbers in the debian/changelof for a sync, even though those bugs are already fixed, LP sends Fix Release bugmail again.
[07:36] <ompaul> infinity, you have a pm
[07:36] <ScottK> Just so you know.
[07:36] <lamont> ScottK: kewl. :-)
[07:36] <infinity> ompaul: Noticed. :)
[07:37] <ompaul> infinity, pas de problem I'm now history ;-)
[07:37] <ScottK> My theory in LP is that since it's proprietary, I can fix stuff, so the least I can do is complain a lot.
[07:37] <ScottK> can/can't.  Oops
[07:39] <soren> infinity: cool. I haven't done anything about it yet.
[07:43] <soren> w00t
[07:53] <soren> ScottK: :)
[07:55] <infinity> soren: It's considered rude to idle with +o on a ChanServ-controlled channel. :)
[07:56] <soren> infinity: Really? But it looks so shiny!
[07:57] <soren> Oh, well.
[07:58] <infinity> This ain't EFnet, we'll have no cowboy ops here!
[07:59] <infinity> Though I do rather like how I managed a channel takeover without a single bit of investigation on the part of the freenode staffer.
[07:59] <infinity> Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
[08:02] <lamont> infinity: remember, we can only use our superpowers for good.
[08:02] <infinity> But it's so tempting...
[08:02] <lamont> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/lamont/gutsy/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/linux-headers-2.6.22-9-hppa32/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-9-hppa32/./.' to `linux-headers-2.6.22-9/.': File exists
[08:02] <lamont> GAH
[08:03] <infinity> LAMONT IS A KERNAL NOOB LOL!!!111ONE
[08:03] <lamont> infinity: I'm trying to not clean the tree between builds, that's all
[08:04] <lamont> and the kernel build uh, stuff, isn't cooperating
[08:04] <infinity> Clearly, the rules file needs a "kinda-clean" target.
[08:04] <infinity> debian/rules tidy
[08:04] <lamont> binary-clean
[08:04] <lamont> or a -f on that ln -s... :-)
[08:05] <infinity> I think I'm going to phone HP and tell them that you're not l33t enough for your job.
[08:05] <infinity> Is there a hotline for that sort of thing?
[08:06] <lamont> 1 800 EAT .....
[08:06] <infinity> My phone doesn't have a "." key.
[08:06] <infinity> Damnit.
[08:07] <lamont> or was it 2?>
[08:07] <infinity> Actually, the 1 key 3 times is "..."   Predictive text, FTW.
[08:07] <lamont> and a 4th time?
[08:08] <infinity> Another ., apparently.
[08:09] <infinity> But 5 in a row gives me "...:)"
[08:09] <infinity> Sony, you never cease to amaze and amuse.
[08:13] <soren> lamont: You want to look in debian/stamps or something.
[08:13] <soren> lamont: If you remove the right one, the kernel build system will dtrt and only rebuild what is necessary.
[08:13] <infinity> soren: No, he wants to not be a muppet that rebuilds the hppa kernel 38 times a day.
[08:13] <soren> infinity: True that.