[13:11] <monkey_dust> slight inconvenience: i have to enter the wifi WEP key manually, it is not remembered
[13:11] <penguin42> Aidar-Nagato: It looks like a few people have it and it seems like a simple fix to make so hopefully it'll get fixed quickly
[13:14] <Aidar-Nagato> i hope it will work
[13:50] <hifi> imagemagick is not compiled against librsvg anymore
[13:51] <hifi> thus, svg support in "convert" is broken
[13:54] <Aidar-Nagato> penguin42: i replaced my sky2.c with this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob_plain;f=drivers/net/sky2.c;hb=0f5aac7070a01ec757ed243febe4fff7c944c4d2 what should i do now?
[13:54] <Damascene> http://damascene.byethost7.com/1917665617.mp3 google talk offline message sound strange
[13:54] <Damascene> on vlc
[13:56] <Damascene> could someone test it?
[13:59] <Damascene> white noise I guess
[14:00] <boodroscotch> Hi guys. Just installed Lucid Beta 1. It's great except for one thing: X won't start. I'm assuming this is a problem surrounding my ATi card and fglrx. Any help/suggestions???
[14:00] <Damascene> try ctrl + alt + F7
[14:01] <Damascene> if doesn't work try it with F1 then F7 again
[14:01] <boodroscotch> or do I have to renuke it?
[14:04] <neglesaks> Hello. U installed Lucid Beta 1 yesterday on top of a karmic and the ubuntu-disk-utility was uninstalled. Now, palimpsest is gone, and so is my ability to mount hard disks in Nautilus. ALso, attaching USB 3.0 storage crashes my pc. Anyone with similar experiences?
[14:04] <bibinou> hi
[14:04] <bibinou> anyone got problems with the latest nvidia-current update ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> bibinou, did you elect to install nvidia-common as suggested by apt/aptitude when you updated?
[14:08] <boodroscotch> I need help Getting X and ATi drivers resolved.
[14:09] <bibinou> BluesKaj: no I use nvidia-common since karmic
[14:09] <bibinou> updated after alpha 3
[14:09] <bibinou> no problems before today
[14:09] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card , bibinou ?
[14:09] <bibinou> 9800GT
[14:09] <bibinou> "no screens found"
[14:09] <bibinou> so I guess it's a driver thing
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ok, drop to a tty , stop X  with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop , install nvidia-current again
[14:12] <bibinou> done and done
[14:13] <bibinou> actually I deleted xorg.conf and got a desktop
[14:13] <bibinou> I think I'm using mesa or some fallback
[14:13] <boodroscotch> whenever I log in GNOME doesn't start. instead, I am given a terminal window
[14:13] <boodroscotch> and everything else just stops
[14:13] <BluesKaj> bibinou, ok run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:14] <bibinou> "New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' " ?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> yup, that's good
[14:14] <BluesKaj> you should could be ok now
[14:15] <bibinou> rebooting
[14:15] <boodroscotch> it worked on first boot'
[14:15] <bibinou> thanks !
[14:15] <git__> Has anyone encounter the "unable to enumerate USB device on port ..." bug?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> boodroscotch, but you're able to boot into the login , right ?
[14:16] <boodroscotch> BluesKaj: yep, I am
[14:17] <boodroscotch> Oh, and I don't have network access because nothing has started
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, boodroscotch I had that condidtion for a while , suddenl corrected itself after an update ..the wonders of alpha/beta releases
[14:19] <boodroscotch> problem is, i don't have any network access at all since everything dependent on X hasn't started :(
[14:19] <boodroscotch> how did you get an update?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> boodroscotch, startx in the terminal or tty
[14:20] <jason__> do I need to do a update-manager -d if i have alpha installed?
[14:20] <penguin42> Aidar-Nagato: I'd try one of these daily kernel packages from here; it may work: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2010-03-15/
[14:20] <lenios> jason__, no
[14:24] <BluesKaj> boodroscotch, run sudo apt-get update in the tty or terminal
[14:24] <dupondje> penguin42: i'm trying to build a kernel with only the patch for the nic support :)
[14:25] <boodroscotch> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll try that
[14:29] <neglesaks> Hello. U installed Lucid Beta 1 yesterday on top of a karmic and the ubuntu-disk-utility was uninstalled. Now, palimpsest is gone, and so is my ability to mount hard disks in Nautilus. ALso, attaching USB 3.0 storage crashes my pc. Anyone with similar experiences?
[14:30] <bibinou> it's me again :(
[14:30] <bibinou> I get a low resolution desktop with nvidia-xconfig provided xorg.conf
[14:31] <bibinou> like 640x480
[14:31] <bibinou> and i can't roll back to a previous driver it seems
[14:35] <glaucous> hello everybody!  how do I get lucid to stop spinning my fan all day long?
[14:45] <glaucous> no one?
[14:58] <jason__> what package provides the login screen
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> gdm
[14:58] <jason__> thank u
[15:01] <muelli> heya, is it just me or can't anybody load "kvm-intel" because of "kvm_intel: Unknown symbol kvm_vcpu_on_spin" with 2.6.32-16-generic?
[15:03] <penguin42> muelli: It's OK for me on 2.6.32-16-generic #25-Ubuntu on 64bit
[15:04] <muelli> penguin42: hm. weird. but thanks.
[15:06] <penguin42> muelli: You got the kvm module loaded first? Is it the #25 version you've got (from uname -a)
[15:06] <muelli> penguin42: yep, loaded kvm first and it's "2.6.32-16-generic #24-Ubuntu".
[15:07]  * muelli probably needs to reboot soonish...
[15:07] <penguin42> ah, mine is #25 - I guess there's a slightly newer version here
[15:17] <monkey_dust> still no codename for ubuntu 10.10?
[15:17] <neglesaks> not heard any yet
[15:18] <bjsnider> killer kangaroo
[15:18] <bjsnider> no wait, it would have to be m
[15:18] <bjsnider> murderous muskrat
[15:19] <monkey_dust> Miserable Man
[15:19] <penguin42> manic minerbird ?
[15:19] <bjsnider> i wanted karmic to be killer kangaroo
[15:19] <bjsnider> but whatever
[15:19] <neglesaks> manic moose
[15:20] <neglesaks> mouldy muskrat
[15:20] <monkey_dust> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MReleaseSchedule
[15:22] <abhinav> does anyone have the fglrx non-free driver running with lucid ?
[15:23] <neglesaks> abhinav, as i recall, that was barred from lucid (iirc)
[15:23] <neglesaks> for now, that is
[15:24] <mssa> hi guyes
[15:24] <abhinav> neglesaks: around 10 hours back, someone claimed to have got it working. Tried that, and it's not working for me.
[15:24] <neglesaks> abhinav, I'm on nvidia myself, trying to test out the nouveau driver. but i've been hobbled by other bugs so far.
[15:25] <buero> Hi gdm is not starting every now and then, i drop to a console (I'm using lucid lynx updated nosplash) gdm starts without problems with sudo gdm-start afterwards. how can I find the problem which log should i look in??
[15:25] <abhinav> neglesaks: ok .. I got some dependency problems. probably better to wait a while then.
[15:25] <neglesaks> agreed.
[15:26] <mssa> how is the nvidia support in the beta
[15:26] <abhinav> buero: did you update to the very latest ? there were some fixes that went in 10-12 hours back
[15:26] <abhinav> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:26] <mssa> any one tried it
[15:26] <neglesaks> mssa, noveau, the oss nv driver, works mostly well. the updated nonfree binares are barred due to a problem in nvidias own code causing hardware damage to some cards
[15:28] <abhinav> question : should we enable karmic-backports in the sources.list ? It is uncommented right now
[15:28] <neglesaks> relogging
[15:29] <buero> abhinav: yes I did a update 5min ago, I will see if its gone but I am in a session now where the problem occured and i thougt i could look, is it a known Problem??
[15:30] <abhinav> buero: there were some problems with gdm not working. I do not know if there is a problem which causes restart. you can look into /var/log/gdm to to see what's going wrong
[15:35] <buero> thanks
[15:37] <buero> its seems to be a nvidia problem there is no screen found, funny that it works when started by hand though THANKS ANYWAY
[15:38] <AnAnt> Hello, the virtual console became wierd in lucid
[15:38] <AnAnt> anyone having this issue
[15:38] <AnAnt> the resolution is OK, but only 80x25 chars of it is used !
[15:43] <penguin42> AnAnt: Seems fine here (just tried ctrl-alt-f1)
[15:43] <AnAnt> penguin42: what's the resolution ?
[15:43] <penguin42> 1920x1080
[15:43] <AnAnt> penguin42: in characters I mean
[15:44] <AnAnt> penguin42: did you try using the virtual console
[15:44] <penguin42> AnAnt: 67x240
[15:44] <AnAnt> penguin42: for example, running aptitude
[15:44] <AnAnt> penguin42: does that use the whole screen ?
[15:45] <penguin42> just tried ls etc and checked the output of stty -a
[15:45] <AnAnt> penguin42: can you try something like aptitude ?
[15:46] <penguin42> it's using the full display
[15:47] <charlie-tca> mine is too
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Nice to see everything on one page, too
[15:49] <charlie-tca> 210 columns of aptitude is hard on my eyes
[15:49] <penguin42> you can never have too many columns
[15:50] <AnAnt> so it seems the kernel is giving wrong reports about my tty !
[15:50] <solid_liq> charlie-tca, why don't you increase the font size then?
[15:50] <penguin42> AnAnt: What does stty -a show for rows/cols ?
[15:50] <AnAnt> stty size gives: 30 106
[15:50] <charlie-tca> How do I do that in the tty?
[15:50] <solid_liq> heh, someone is actually using weechat?
[15:50] <AnAnt> I know that it was more than that
[15:50] <charlie-tca> weechat is nice, at times
[15:50] <AnAnt> and now, firefox isn't running either
[15:51] <AnAnt> just closes silently
[15:51] <charlie-tca> solid_liq: how do I increase the font size?
[15:52] <solid_liq> charlie-tca, terminal->change profile
[15:52] <penguin42> firefox has started having flash problems for me in the last couple of weeks
[15:52] <charlie-tca> That doesn't change the tty fonts here
[15:52] <charlie-tca> It only changes them in terminal
[15:53] <AnAnt> brb
[15:53] <BUGabundo> woooooo got a 18.4" HP with quad core i7 to run Lucid :P hawt
[15:53] <solid_liq> charlie-tca, oh, you're at an actual tty?
[15:53] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: WOW
[15:53] <charlie-tca> solid_liq: yes
[15:54] <solid_liq> BUGabundo, nice.  my new lappy is only an i5
[15:54] <solid_liq> charlie-tca, there's a way to do it, but I don't remember exactly...  I know it's an option to the kernel (a modestring?)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> thanks
[15:55] <solid_liq> charlie-tca, slackware's docs may be the best reference for that actually
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I see
[16:07] <AnAnt> Hello, I just upgraded to lucid beta from karmic, firefox doesn't start anymore and it doesn't give an error, how can I find out the problem ?
[16:07] <AnAnt> I found that if I remove my ~/.mozilla/firefox/ , firefox works
[16:08] <abhinav> AnAnt: try safe mode
[16:08] <AnAnt> abhinav: what's that ?
[16:10] <abhinav> AnAnt: from a terminal, firefox -safe-mode . also, what error do you get ?
[16:11] <AnAnt> no error
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Try removing the extensions and plugins and adding them back in one at a time?
[16:13] <AnAnt> hang on
[16:30] <BUGabundo> 2239% complete ubuntu startup usb-creator
[16:30] <BUGabundo> o_O
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> lol
[16:30] <charlie-tca> huh
[16:30] <charlie-tca> well, at it least says complete...
[16:31] <BUGabundo> that's 'complete' as in progress
[16:31] <BUGabundo> like 50% complete :p
[16:31] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:31] <BUGabundo> at least if finined
[16:31] <BUGabundo> that 2k% was at 99%
[16:31] <BUGabundo> so some bad % calc at the very end
[16:31] <charlie-tca> see, not so bad afterall
[16:31] <charlie-tca> cd
[16:31] <BUGabundo> now trying to boot that HP laptop from the pendrive
[16:32] <BUGabundo> with daily lucid
[16:32] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: mozillateam says that it is fixed in their daily PPA, so I'm trying now
[16:32] <charlie-tca> and it worked, too?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> AnAnt: glad to hear it
[16:33] <BUGabundo> OOOHHHHHHH
[16:33] <BUGabundo> usb boot is GORGEOUSE
[16:33] <BUGabundo> _pink_ too
[16:34] <BUGabundo> how is nvidia CUDA support in lucid?
[16:34] <adamplumb> I'm attempting to boot the 10.04 Beta 1 amd64 livecd on my desktop and it doesn't get past the Ubuntu Splash screen
[16:34] <adamplumb> I have recently installed 9.10 on the same machine
[16:34] <osfast> so have i
[16:34] <charlie-tca> give it a long time?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> humm now livecd test? just installer?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Also, might have to hit Ctrl+Alt+F7
[16:35] <osfast> i cant update my lynx :(
[16:35] <adamplumb> I'm wondering how I can help to get this fixed
[16:35] <adamplumb> this is booting up into the livecd.  It shows the Ubuntu logo and the five dots are filled orange
[16:36] <adamplumb> ctrl+alt+f7 has no effect
[16:36] <BUGabundo> oh oh
[16:36] <adamplumb> i'm wondering if this could be an X related issue
[16:36] <BUGabundo> can't create partitions
[16:36] <BUGabundo> :(
[16:36] <BUGabundo> installer fail
[16:37] <osfast> help errors occur when updating cant verrify signature
[16:38] <osfast> public key not avalible
[16:38] <adamplumb> How do I see the boot messages instead of the splash screen when booting the livecd?
[16:39] <osfast> il ask again later im hunry first
[16:41] <mauri> imnot able to place files in the waste. The system says that it is fullbut it is empty
[16:41] <AnAnt> charlie-tca: yup, it worked
[16:42] <charlie-tca> adamplumb: I think hit right shift in the first 5 seconds after the splash appeared, but I am not sure it will work
[16:43] <adamplumb> hmm...well I changed the grub command in the boot menu and removed the "splash" keyword.  That seems to have gotten me to the livecd desktop
[16:44] <mM94> hello. anyone else getting those annoying dns hangs, like the ones in karmic?
[16:45] <BUGabundo> smarty pants MSFT and HP, create 4 primary partitions, making it difficult to add or change a partition to install LINUX :(
[16:48] <mauri> imnot able to place files in the waste. The system says that it is fullbut it is empty
[16:52] <mauri> imnot able to place files in the waste. The system says that it is fullbut it is empty
[16:52] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What the heck do they do with 4 partitions?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> boot, OS (win7), HP recovery, HP tools
[16:53] <penguin42> ah
[16:53] <BUGabundo> so I'm nuking recovery
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> and tools? :p
[16:53] <BUGabundo> and creating and extended partition
[16:54] <BUGabundo> I'm sure  new users trying to install from LiveCDs will NEVER be able to install Ubuntu like this
[16:54] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'm wondering if you can create an extended partition that actually includes one of the others as a logical partition
[16:54] <BUGabundo> penguin42: they are all PRIMARY
[16:54] <BUGabundo> so I can't create a new extented one
[16:54] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh but I'm saying delete one of them (remembering where it is), create an extended in free space, and then create a logical within it that has the same start/end as the original primary
[16:55] <penguin42> we've had a couple of people with failed win7 after install so far, but I doubt that was the cause
[16:55] <BUGabundo> I doubt HP extented BIOS would be able to start that partition later
[16:55] <penguin42> ah probably true
[16:56] <BUGabundo> so installer team should start thinking on ways to _fix_ this
[16:56] <BUGabundo> or else our new users will not be able to install
[16:56] <mauri> imnot able to place files in the waste. The system says that it is fullbut it is empty
[16:56] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It sounds like someone needs to have a word with someone friendly in HP as well
[16:56] <BUGabundo> and all other OEMs
[16:58] <salty-horse> hi. while upgrading to lucid via the graphical update-manager, the screen suddenly went black with graphical glitches on top, and a box popped up saying there was a problem with the graphics device (forgot to write it down). the keyboard and mouse didn't work so I couldn't confirm it. after restarting, I couldn't boot into a graphical environment, and the keyboard didn't work. I had to use the previous kernel in order to finish the pac
[16:58] <salty-horse> kage installation process (and now it's done) -- where should I report this?
[16:58] <Ian_Corne> hmm, BUGabundo I've found that installing ubuntu next to windows is never an easy thing for a new user
[16:58] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, the nvidia-current driver installs the libcuda shared lib and links
[17:06] <leonardo>  Hi people, I was using Debian Squeeze and had a problem after an update where I can't see all the screen. I tried everything but didn't find a solution. So I installed Ubuntu 10.04 and after an hibernate I have the same problem. The resolution config is ok, so I don't know what is the problem and how fix it
[17:07] <shadeslayer> where can i find skype for 10.04
[17:14] <d4rkn3ss> hi at all, i have a question: is the gnome shell already inherited in the beta?
[17:14] <monkey_dust> shadeslayer, check http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <AnAnt> how do I change the position of minimize,maximize,close buttons ?
[17:14] <abhinav> AnAnt: try a different theme ?
[17:14] <AnAnt> I am using a different theme
[17:14] <monkey_dust> AnAnt, alt-f2 gconf-editor
[17:15] <AnAnt> monkey_dust: and ?
[17:15] <nightsjammies> anyone else in here use an itouch with the new distro?
[17:15] <monkey_dust> AnAnt, apps > metacity > general > button layout
[17:16] <d4rkn3ss> @ all, can someone plz tell me, if the gnome-shell already exists in the lucid lynx beta?
[17:16] <rsk> d4rkn3ss use packages.ubuntu.org
[17:16] <d4rkn3ss> rsk ?
[17:17] <rsk> d4rkn3ss ?
[17:17] <d4rkn3ss> rsk, is this a website?
[17:17] <rsk> that is correct
[17:17] <d4rkn3ss> rsk, k, thx ;)
[17:17] <yofel> d4rkn3ss: it is in lucid, but not that useful from what I've heard
[17:18] <d4rkn3ss> yofel, k... do u know how i can open it?^^
[17:18] <monkey_dust> d4rkn3ss, check http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-shell&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all
[17:18] <d4rkn3ss> yofel, i mean the gnome-shell
[17:18] <d4rkn3ss> monkey_dust, ah thx
[17:18] <yofel> d4rkn3ss: install 'gnome-shell' I guess, I never tried it myself
[17:19] <d4rkn3ss> yofel, k
[17:20] <monkey_dust> i tried it and did not like it
[17:22] <d4rkn3ss> erm.. another question... did any1 try to install the beta in a virtual box?
[17:22] <monkey_dust> d4rkn3ss, you can just sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[17:22] <nightsjammies> no...
[17:22] <monkey_dust> d4rkn3ss, search google foor Testdrive Ubuntu
[17:23] <BUGabundo> anyone knows what's needed to get finger print to work, at GDM?
[17:23] <monkey_dust> https://launchpad.net/testdrive
[17:24] <charlie-tca> d4rkn3ss: yes, that is also done during testing.
[17:24] <d4rkn3ss> monkey_dust, well... i've alrdy installed it... but i also wanted to install the vm-driver and... it didn't like that the hal has gone and doesn't do anything....
[17:24] <skyjumper> BUGabundo: thinkwiki.org
[17:24] <skyjumper> BUGabundo: it's not worth it, IMO
[17:24] <BUGabundo> my friend is asking for it
[17:25] <monkey_dust> idd, i've read that hal is no longer needed or supported
[17:26] <d4rkn3ss> but it looks very nice, the new ubuntu :)
[17:28] <nightsjammies> Why is it that I can no longer drag folders like 'Home' from the Places menu to the top bar?
[17:28] <nightsjammies> I can drag Apps though..
[17:28] <mM94> hello. anyone else getting those annoying dns hangs, like the ones in karmic?
[17:29] <PhotoJim> not I, but I have IPv6, so not sure I'd notice them.
[17:29] <nightsjammies> and what's an indicatorapplet and plymouth crash, and has anyone else had them?
[17:29] <abhinav> mM94: on bootup,  dhclient seems to not update resolvconf or something - so that everything is unreachable despite there being an ip address for the eth card.
[17:30] <monkey_dust> just tried gnome-shell again and still do not like it
[17:30] <mM94> abhinav, is this something being worked on?
[17:31] <abhinav> mM94: not sure
[17:31] <BUGabundo> erk
[17:31] <BUGabundo> GRUB2 is translated!?!?!
[17:32] <abhinav> mM94: tried searching for a bug, but got pulled into something else. Don't know if a bug even exists
[17:33] <mM94> abhinav, i submitted a bug describing my issue last night. but I didn't have much info to add
[17:35] <abhinav> mM94: ok . yeah it's annoying, especially since I removed network manager, and now some people at my home who are linux-newbies won't know what to do when the internet doesn;t work :)
[17:36] <nightsjammies> so are we supposed to update yet? or does doing that still break stuff?
[17:37] <penguin42> the break of a few days ago seems to have been fixed
[17:37] <nightsjammies> okay
[17:38] <mM94> abhinav, yeah i'm a newbie myself of sorts. Man i hope I can find out something. I dont wanan be stuck with jaunty forever...which never had this problem.
[17:39] <nightsjammies> has anyone installed wine yet?
[17:41] <monkey_dust> nightsjammies, yes
[17:41] <nightsjammies> do you have any problems with it?
[17:41] <monkey_dust> no
[17:41] <abhinav> nightsjammies: I have it installed, and working (upgrade from karmic)
[17:41] <mel> is the software centre really slow for the rest of you guys?
[17:42] <nightsjammies> because I get a Blocked: wine start/ unix error
[17:42] <abhinav> nightsjammies: ran picasa on it, which is pretty heavy, right ? no issues
[17:42] <nightsjammies> and this: The file '/home/jason/Downloads/StanzaSetup.exe' is not marked as executable.
[17:42] <nightsjammies> huh
[17:44] <yofel> nightsjammies: if you want to execute a file it needs the 'executable' bit set, either check some nautilus file setting or use 'chmod +x <filename>' in a terminal
[17:44] <nightsjammies> ahh, I see. that page finally opened for me.
[17:45] <nightsjammies> I see how to fix it now.
[17:45] <nightsjammies> thanks :)
[17:45] <Strife89> Sweet, Beta 1's out. :)
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Strife89: welcome to the real world
[17:46] <Strife89> ?
[17:46] <monkey_dust> idd nightsjammies i have a wine error too
[17:46] <Strife89> shadeslayer: Please elaborate on what you mean.
[17:46] <nightsjammies> nah, I figured it out. What's your error monkey?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Strife89: lol.. i meant Beta 1 is out for days
[17:47] <Strife89> shadeslayer: Ah.
[17:48] <Strife89> I last checked ... 6 days ago, I think.
[17:48] <nightsjammies> I need to see if I can get virtualbox to work today as well. anyone had any problems with that?
[17:48] <Strife89> nightsjammies: Virtualbox is working fine here (on Windows Vista).
[17:49] <Strife89> nightsjammies: Just disable ACPI when booting the CD (image) and you should be fine.
[17:49] <monkey_dust> ok, problem solved using chmod +x blah.exe
[17:49] <Strife89> nightsjammies: Alternatively, upgrade Virtualbox itself.
[17:49] <nightsjammies> disable acpi...how do I do that?
[17:50] <nightsjammies> I d/l'ed the latest version from the website.
[17:50] <Strife89> nightsjammies: You mean you downloaded Beta 1?
[17:50] <nightsjammies> Wait, maybe not. Hold on.
[17:50] <Strife89> nightsjammies: Or did you download it several days ago?
[17:51] <nightsjammies> no, sorry. 3.1
[17:51] <Strife89> That would be an Alpha, I think.
[17:51] <Strife89> nightsjammies: Read the topic for a link to Beta 1.
[17:51] <nightsjammies> i wasn't aware they had a beta...bloody hell.
[17:52] <nightsjammies> oh well, I'm installing it now. It'll give me something to mess with
[17:54] <sulle> my mouse is extremley sensitive, anny ideas on how i can set it more down?. already set it on the settings for the mouse but it is still too much.
[17:57] <Some_Person> I still miss nautilus's toggle button
[17:57] <Strife89> This is gonna be a loooong download. :/
[17:57] <Strife89> Friggin' slow-ish DSL.
[17:58] <Some_Person> Strife89: I have your same problem there. Just be patient
[17:58] <abhinav> Strife89: true that. Took quite a while yesterday, here in India. Was trying an update. If you're downloading the CD, try the torrent ?
[17:59] <Strife89> abhinav: The download is currently going at 129 KB/s; my top speed is about 150 KB/s.
[18:00] <abhinav> Strife89: I downloaded yesterday at an average of 35 :)
[18:00] <Strife89> I prefer to do large downloads on the collecge campus, which has a comparatively speedy connecting. Download speeds there can hit 2 MB/s.
[18:00] <Some_Person> Strife89: That's fast for me. My top speed is 80 KB/s
[18:00] <Strife89> s/connecting/conntection/
[18:00] <Strife89> Argh.
[18:00] <Strife89> s/connecting/connection/
[18:01] <mikebeecham> hi guiys...I've just upgraded to 10.04 and now my window titles are at a wierd placement witnhin the titlebar....where can I change this?
[18:01] <Some_Person> mikebeecham: You mean on the left?
[18:01] <mikebeecham> well, about 1.5cm to the right of centre!
[18:01] <mikebeecham> the windows controls are now on the left, like mac...which is fine
[18:02] <mikebeecham> the actual title name is wierd
[18:02] <Some_Person> Actually, they're not like Mac. They're in a different order, which I hate
[18:02] <mikebeecham> it looks like it should be centered, but it's just off to the right of centre
[18:02] <Strife89> Is the new color scheme implemented in this beta?
[18:02] <mikebeecham> Some_Person: symantecs for now mate :D...I'm just looking to get my title name sorted
[18:03] <mikebeecham> Strife89: yes, two new schemes, Ambiance and Radiant
[18:03] <Some_Person> By default, the title should not be centered at all (unless you're not using the default theme). It should be aligned to the left
[18:03] <mikebeecham> Some_Person: I'm happy with that...how can I move it?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:05] <Some_Person> I'm not sure. The titles are oddly not where they should be to begin with in your situation
[18:05] <BUGabundo> lucid froze while installing packages with synaptic :(
[18:05] <BUGabundo> not good
[18:07] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[18:07] <Ian_Corne> breakage
[18:07] <Some_Person> BUGabundo: ooh, I had that happen to me in karmic. That was hell to fix
[18:08] <Some_Person> I never want to hear about libio-stringy-perl again (the package it was installing when it quit)
[18:09] <mikebeecham> in terms of the controls, you can move them around to your liking within gconf...I have mine set like mac
[18:09] <Some_Person> mikebeecham: Doesn't that make them look a bit weird though?
[18:09] <mikebeecham> depends on what metacity theme you're using :D
[18:10] <mikebeecham> I dont really like the new themes, so I've gone back to Shikiti
[18:10] <Some_Person> I like the new themes, but hate the new order. That's why I made a PPA that puts the order back to the karmic positions and fixes the new themes to look fine that way
[18:11] <Some_Person> Why not Mac order? It would have required me to edit even more PNGs
[18:11] <mikebeecham> to change the order, you only have to move a colon symbol and you're back to the right side of the screen!
[18:12] <Some_Person> With minimize in the middle though, not on the left
[18:13] <mikebeecham> true
[18:14] <mikebeecham> I dont mind the new themes, but I'm a bit miffed that they didnt think as far as bacground to work with them
[18:14] <Some_Person> what do you mean?
[18:14] <mikebeecham> there are no new background walls that fit with the two new themes...I would have thought that a complete UI overhaul would have included them
[18:15] <deanus> Some_Person, whats the url for your ppa
[18:15] <mikebeecham> I'm a designer, so I'm anal enough to think about these things!
[18:16] <Some_Person> deanus: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[18:16] <Some_Person> mikebeecham: You don't like the default purple thing?
[18:16] <mikebeecham> It's a really poor resolution
[18:16] <mikebeecham> I can see the gradient banding
[18:18] <Imperion> question: why is 3D rendering so slow? I'm only getting about 500 FPS on glxgears (Radeon 9600, radeon driver)
[18:18]  * Strife89 throws out a link to mikebeecham and wonders if there's something that might fit. http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/60-most-execellent-ubuntu-wallpapers/
[18:19] <Some_Person> That file is still named warty-final-ubuntu.png, a holdover from the first release of ubuntu
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> Imperion: 500fps
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> or per 5 seconds?
[18:19] <Imperion> ~2200/5s
[18:19] <Some_Person> mikebeecham: The resolution is 1680x1050. Not high enough for you?
[18:19] <mikebeecham> Strife89: thanks mate....deviantart is also my best friend
[18:19] <ZykoticK9> Imperion, i don't think the issue is limited to ATI - I'm only getting 302 frames in 5.0 seconds with Nvidia - although windowed or fullscreen gives same result (3d games are working properly)
[18:20] <Imperion> between 400 and 500 FPS
[18:20] <monkey_dust> the wifi WEP key is not remembered and must be entered each time, browser flash plugin is unstable and must be reinstalled each time
[18:20] <mikebeecham> Some_Person: which works for widescreen monitors, but but you can see the banding when you stretch it to  4x3 monitor
[18:20] <Some_Person> Ah, that's probably why I'm not noticing it
[18:21] <mikebeecham> ')
[18:21] <Imperion> fullscreen is unusually A HELLUVALOT worse
[18:21] <Imperion> $ glxgears -fullscreen
[18:21] <Imperion> 428 frames in 5.0 seconds
[18:21] <Imperion> 425 frames in 5.0 seconds
[18:21] <Some_Person> The only machine I'm running lucid on is a laptop with a widescreen display
[18:22] <nightsjammies> how much hard drive space do you need for an xp system?
[18:22] <mikebeecham> ahhh
[18:22] <mikebeecham> nightsjammies: as in the OS only?
[18:22] <Imperion> ZykoticK9, you sure there's no fix for this?
[18:22] <Some_Person> Oddly it's a 16:10 display instead of 16:9. I don't understand the reasoning behind that
[18:23] <mikebeecham> to be honest HDDs are so big these days that it's a minimal amount we're talking about...I think XP SP3 needs around 3gb storage space for everything it needs to do
[18:23] <ZykoticK9> Imperion, i haven't looked into it.  Just noticed yesterday, previously this was NOT an issue.
[18:23] <Imperion> grumble
[18:23] <mikebeecham> but then XP is so crap compared to Linux these days that it's an academic discussion :D
[18:23] <mikebeecham> ahhhhhh
[18:23] <nightsjammies> Okay. Well, I'm gonna install xp on vbox, and I've only got about 30 gigs to work with..
[18:23] <nightsjammies> not if you own a damn itouch 3g it's not.
[18:24] <mikebeecham> these are GORGEOUS: http://digitalshiva.deviantart.com/art/Density-154722887
[18:24] <Strife89> nightsjammies: What else do you intend to put on the VM?
[18:24] <nightsjammies> that's the only reason why I install vbox.
[18:24] <nightsjammies> nothing, actually. It's sole purpose is for itunes.
[18:24] <Some_Person> Quite ironically, I'm primarily a Linux user with a buttload of Windows licenses because I somehow got a Microsoft TechNet account without paying for it
[18:24] <Strife89> mikebeecham: Awesome find. :D
[18:24] <mikebeecham> why thankyou :D
[18:24] <mikebeecham> I do love my deviantart
[18:25] <nightsjammies> what's  technet account?
[18:25] <Strife89> mikebeecham: My favorites: http://strife89.deviantart.com/favourites/#Wallpaper-Worthy
[18:25] <Some_Person> nightsjammies: It's something you can buy that's probably very expensive that gives you more licenses for Microsoft products than anyone could ever need
[18:26] <mikebeecham> ahhh....another lovely dA person
[18:26] <Strife89> :)
[18:26] <mikebeecham> my gallery: http://mikebeecham.deviantart.com/gallery
[18:26] <Some_Person> For example, I have the ability to install _each edition_ of Windows XP, Vista, and 7 on 100 machines
[18:26] <Strife89> mikebeecham: Feel free to look at my gallery. I like to think that I havve some good photographs. :) http://strife89.deviantart.com/gallery/
[18:26] <abhinav> nightsjammies:
[18:27] <abhinav> nightsjammies: I mske do wit 10g, though 15 would be better
[18:27] <mikebeecham> now, if I can just get Chrome to look right on 10.04 then I'll be happy!
[18:27] <Strife89> mikebeecham: That's an AWESOME gallery you have. :D
[18:27] <Some_Person> The ironic part is that I don't like Windows and only use it when I have to
[18:27] <mikebeecham> thanks Strife89...not done anything for a while
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> Imperion, in my case the slow glxgears fps is due to "VSync to black" once disabled in compiz+nvidia settings 301fps jumps to 27751fps
[18:28] <nightsjammies> wow, I could use something like that.
[18:28] <Imperion> ZykoticK9, compiz is disabled here
[18:28] <mikebeecham> in 10.04, does anyone notice a lag when changing background images...seems very sloiw
[18:29] <Some_Person> The strangest part about it is that Microsoft claims I paid for it
[18:29] <git__> i like Microsoft Office
[18:29] <nightsjammies> hey, if they say you did, who's to complain?
[18:29] <nightsjammies> and I already did a 10 gig space for vbox
[18:29] <Some_Person> Well how is a 16 year old guy like me supposed to _buy_ a TechNet account?
[18:30] <nightsjammies> I dunno...carefully, I suppose :D
[18:31] <Ian_Corne> nightsjammies: what not dynamic?
[18:31] <Ian_Corne> why*
[18:32] <Ian_Corne> just remember not to do a full format then, rather a quick format
[18:32] <nightsjammies> because I'm only installing it to see if it works. When I ugrade my whole computer to lynx, then I'll do a 50 gig installation.
[18:32] <git__> i love the annotate capability of compiz
[18:33] <nightsjammies> I only need to see if I can get it to work.
[18:33] <almoxarife> after upgrade from karmic I have lost the indicator applets for sound and beagle, beagled is running and I have sound, any ideas??
[18:33] <Imperion> anyone else have problems with their video card performance?
[18:33] <Some_Person> I remember the first time I got desktop effects working on Linux. It was in ubuntu 6.10 (edgy) and I was using Beryl
[18:33] <red> almoxarife: and you have tried clicking add to panel?
[18:33] <almoxarife> red: yes, not there
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> almoxarife: you need to add indicator-applet
[18:34] <Ian_Corne> the little envelope
[18:34] <red> thats what its called
[18:35] <red> for me it wasn't there on default either
[18:35] <red> but manually added & works well now
[18:35] <Some_Person> Needless to say, when I first used Windows Vista, Beryl on Linux made it seem far less impressive
[18:35] <nightsjammies> plymouthd closed again..what the hella=.
[18:35] <red> I don't even have plymouth installed
[18:36] <almoxarife> Ian_Corne: indicator-applet is not an avail pckg
[18:36] <nightsjammies> what is plymouth?
[18:37] <Some_Person> nightsjammies: The new splash screen that seems to hardly ever work for anyone
[18:37] <red> red@kaliapullo:~$ sudo apt-get install indicator-appl
[18:37] <red> indicator-applet           indicator-applet-session   indicator-application
[18:37] <red> indicator-applet-complete  indicator-applet-sus
[18:37] <red> almoxarife: perhaps try installing some of those
[18:37] <nightsjammies> splash screen? you mean for logging in?
[18:37] <Bittarman> red, ever heard of a pastebin
[18:37] <Bittarman> nightsjammies, that logo tha shows up when your booting
[18:37] <Some_Person> nightsjammies: The replacement for xsplash in lucid
[18:37] <red> because pastebinning 5 package names is a smart thing
[18:38] <Some_Person> red: You could make them all one line
[18:38] <almoxarife> red: sorry, found it and it is installed
[18:38] <red> i could, but then again all this yapping about is just as vain spam :p
[18:38] <nightsjammies> um, yeah. that logo doesn't show up for me. Instead I get an ugly purple screen with ugly text.
[18:38] <red> but good that you found it almoxarife
[18:39] <almoxarife> red: I meant that they were already installed
[18:39] <red> try to apt-get reinstall packagename
[18:39] <Some_Person> I think plymouth should be scrapped. It's about a month before the release and it still doesn't work for most people
[18:39] <red> and see if they appear on the add panel list
[18:39] <almoxarife> red: thnks
[18:40] <nightsjammies> and what about my indicatorapplet crashing?
[18:40] <red> panel apps crashing seems to be a totally random thing
[18:40] <red> last I had five days uptime without single boom, and today already a few times
[18:41] <red> latest updates also broke samba sharing, symlinks in the share no longer work :/
[18:41] <DanaG> I have plymouth fail to give me a boot logo.
[18:41] <DanaG> I should take a video of my boot process some time.
[18:41] <Some_Person> I can't see every single problem with plymouth being found and fixed in only a mont
[18:41] <Bittarman> generally for me, plymouth shows up for about half a second before the login pops up
[18:41] <Some_Person> s/mont/month
[18:41] <red> I can't see ubuntu lucid release being totally bugfree either
[18:42] <charlie-tca> I don't know, seems like most of the problems are fairly common with plymouth
[18:42] <red> still it's going to be stable enough hopefully :)
[18:42] <Some_Person> charlie-tca: But are their causes related?
[18:42] <Bittarman> seems pretty stable now for me, only problem I have is gnome-do occasionaly refusing to start, and the couch service randomly dying
[18:42] <charlie-tca> I don't know how many are
[18:43] <nightsjammies> I like gnome-do.
[18:44] <nightsjammies> It's one of the better apps around, imo
[18:44] <Some_Person> What was wrong with xsplash anyway?
[18:44] <Bittarman> nightsjammies, yeah, im kinda lost without it now
[18:45] <Bittarman> if its not running, i get all confused!
[18:45] <DanaG> simple-scan:
[18:45] <charlie-tca> xsplash is still there
[18:45] <Imperion> ARGH why must *actual* 3D acceleration be so NONEXISTENT?
[18:45] <DanaG>   * New upstream relase: (LP: #539011)
[18:45] <DanaG>     - Fix crop rotation
[18:45] <DanaG> anyone else just think of farms?
[18:45] <Imperion> yes
[18:45] <nightsjammies>  I heard that there was something like it for windows as well, I even installed, though I can't remember what it was called
[18:45] <Some_Person> charlie-tca: but it's no longer the default splash
[18:45] <Bittarman> nightsjammies, there is indeed. but im never in windows for long enough for it to make a difference
[18:45] <charlie-tca> sure is. It and plymouth work together
[18:46] <Bittarman> i only use it for flash
[18:46] <Bittarman> as soon as that works in wine ill be dropping windows for good
[18:46] <Bittarman> heck ill even pay for crossover if they get it working in there
[18:47] <DanaG> Wine doesn't do surround sound..... fail.
[18:47] <DanaG> well, not fail, but not very useful.
[18:47] <Some_Person> charlie-tca: If that's the case, why not just screw plymouth and use xsplash on its own?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[18:48] <bcurtiswx_> hey all, are parted and udisks supposed to be installable yet?
[18:48] <nightsjammies> so does anyone in here know how I fix that whole plymouth crash thing, or replace it with something else?
[18:48] <Some_Person> What's the advantage of plymouth?
[18:48] <nightsjammies> parted is.
[18:48] <nightsjammies> I just did that yesterday. Not sure about udisk
[18:49] <Some_Person> Hey, you can remove plymouth without removing ubuntu-desktop. I wonder what would happen if I did that
[18:49] <charlie-tca> nightsjammies: try removing plymouth?
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> I do that all the time, on my nvidia box
[18:49] <Ian_Corne> to see if it works :)
[18:50] <Ian_Corne> friday, it didn't
[18:50] <charlie-tca> I have removed both plymouth and xsplash to boot my system before
[18:50] <bcurtiswx_> nightsjammies: you can remove devicekit-disks safely?
[18:50] <nightsjammies> I can?  I d/l'ed a DSL iso, and I can't even burn it to disk yet, because I only have dvds, and the computer is so friggin old, it can't read dvds.
[18:55] <OerHeks> 1 2 3 testing Lucid, i am verry happy !
[18:56] <Ian_Corne> nightsjammies: don't have a USB drive?
[18:57] <nightsjammies> I do, but the DSL I just d/led won't show up as an iso for some reason.  I'll just get one tomorrow.
[18:59] <nightsjammies> I guess I'll try and reinstall first, just to see what happens
[19:01] <Some_Person> Did karmic use usplash?
[19:02] <OerHeks> i have an ancient nvidia mx420 64 mb videocard, and glx-96 gives me a 640x480 screen, and it says reconmended.
[19:02] <Bittarman> Some_Person, yes
[19:02] <Some_Person> OerHeks: install nvidia-settings
[19:02] <Bittarman> no.. xsplash
[19:02] <Some_Person> Bittarman: What provided the white ubuntu logo on black screen before xsplash came up though? usplash?
[19:03] <malinens> hi! I have 10.04 beta and 1080p monitor but I can choose only low resolution 4:3 resolution for my ati hd4850. any solutions? tnx!
[19:04] <Bittarman> i think so
[19:05] <Bittarman> malinens, check your xorg.conf
[19:05] <OerHeks> i turned back to the standard driver, wich gives me 1024x768, on a 1440x900 screen, i try again, Some_Person
[19:05] <deanus> malinens, odd, I have 1080p and ati4650 and its fine with radeon oss driver
[19:05] <Some_Person> OerHeks: If the standard driver works fine, just use that
[19:05] <malinens> I did not installed any drivers yet? do I need to do it manually?
[19:05] <penguin42> OerHeks: I'd check from a /var/log/Xorg.0.log whether it's using the driver you think it is?
[19:06] <deanus> malinens, its the default driver used for ati cards.  already installed.  the fglrx driver, which would probably fix it for you, isnt yet available
[19:07] <malinens> I have pink box  with text "Mirror Screens" on top left corner and I can not access applications menu...
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> deanus: I've read that it was prereleased to ubuntu?
[19:08] <deanus> Ian_Corne, what was, fglrx?  its not installable, yet.
[19:09] <red> Bittarman: saying to check your xorg.conf isn't really that helpful imho
[19:09] <malinens> sorry, it seems ubuntu detected very correctly my monitor but turned secondary monitor by default for me...
[19:09] <deanus> :)
[19:09] <red> malinens: got it to work?
[19:10] <malinens> maybe this is bug... because by default it shouldn't turn on secondary monitor...
[19:10] <malinens> yes  :)
[19:10] <nightsjammies> is there a DSL room?
[19:10] <red> it depends on your gfx card basicly
[19:10] <red> if its a VGA and DVI output card, chance is either of them is marked defauly by hardware
[19:10] <Bittarman> red, often the available modes are listed there
[19:11] <Bittarman> so yes, checking that first *is* helpful
[19:11] <red> sometimes, sometimes
[19:11] <malinens> yes, maybe it is because I have double dvi and no vga, but my monitor is vga with dvi adapter
[19:11] <red> the detection is shaky at best
[19:12] <Some_Person> The detection works great for when I plug my laptop into the TV
[19:12] <Some_Person> Unfortunately, Bug #390816 hurts me when I do so
[19:13] <malinens> very annoying maximize/minimize/close location for me, I think in previous ubuntus it was on right side...
[19:13] <Some_Person> malinens: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[19:15] <red> Some_Person: same bug is default behaviour under windows :)
[19:15] <Some_Person> red: Maybe default, but it can be switched off. In lucid, it can't
[19:17] <Some_Person> I've been using a piece of styrofoam to keep the lid from closing all the way
[19:19] <Some_Person> It's improvising and it's ugly, but it works
[19:20] <Some_Person> Wouldn't be the first thing I've improvised
[19:22] <OerHeks> i read somewher howto move the 3 buttons back > gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout "maximize,minimize,close"
[19:23] <Some_Person> OerHeks: You're missing a colon, and anyway, that puts minimize in the middle
[19:38] <AnAnt> is anyone using pbuilder here ?
[19:39] <sulle> where can i find the new wubi.exe?
[19:40] <sulle> found it :)
[19:40] <Some_Person> Why do people use wubi?
[19:41] <sulle> Well, why not?. I was just helping a friend with his installation.
[19:41] <AnAnt> I get an error with: $sudo pbuilder update --distribution lucid --override-config
[19:42] <AnAnt> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall
[19:42] <AnAnt> what's that ?
[19:44] <nightsjammies> weird question about make startup disk
[19:45] <nightsjammies> when I go to pick the iso, and click on it, it doesn't actually reflect in the main window...any ideas why?
[19:49] <MasterFX> i'm running 10.04 on my laptop now, but my battery icon appears and disappears all the time.... and I have no sound icon .....
[19:49] <MasterFX> any clues?
[19:49] <nightsjammies> Hell, I don't even have any icons/
[19:50] <yofel> MasterFX: the sound icon should be provided by the indicator applet
[19:50] <Some_Person> MasterFX: Do you have indicator applet in your panel?
[19:50] <MasterFX> i have BT and wireless indicators... they are also in the indicator applet right?
[19:50] <Some_Person> MasterFX: Wireless is not
[19:51] <MasterFX> ok...
[19:52] <MasterFX> i removed the indicator applet and removed it several times....
[19:52] <MasterFX> BT and power are always present....
[19:53] <nightsjammies> are there any alternatives to the startup disc creator?
[19:53] <crimsun> e.g., dd(1)
[19:53] <nightsjammies> for a flash drive, that is?
[19:53] <OerHeks> nightsjammies, try unetbootin
[19:54] <nightsjammies> that's the one I couldn't remember.
[19:54] <OerHeks> oke :-)
[19:55] <nightsjammies> ooh, and it's in the repos too..
[19:55] <OerHeks> for ubuntu, use the synaptic version, windows use sourgeforge http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[19:58] <nightsjammies> anyone in here know what a .daa file extension is for?
[20:00] <mikebeecham> so guys, is there a wiki that tells of whats new in 10.04?
[20:01] <yofel> mikebeecham: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[20:02] <monkey_dust> mikebeecham, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/ubuntu-1004-alpha-3-released-later.html
[20:02] <mikebeecham> yofel: thanks mate....I like to so far, but feel like there's more than I'm seeing!
[20:02] <OerHeks> nightsjammies, i think .daa is an image , not all burning software can handle it.
[20:05] <nightsjammies> ahh, not what I want then. Thanks much.
[20:07] <mikebeecham> guys, where do I find the 'MeMenu'?
[20:10] <boodroscotch> Hey guys. I have an fairly recent ATi Card and GNOME won't start when I log in
[20:10] <boodroscotch> It gives me a terminal
[20:11] <boodroscotch> and I can manually start GNOME from it but many applets are broken/missing
[20:14] <boodroscotch> Any help/suggestions? or should I nuke Lucid and stick with Karmic until the RC?
[20:15] <pounard> hello, I have 3 questions about lucid: 1) How do I revert my metacity buttons to be on the right? 2) How do I get the legacy gnome sound applet? 3) How do I get rid of notify-osd? If anyone can answer any of these questions, I'll be happy:)
[20:18] <devilsadvocate_> hi
[20:18] <devilsadvocate_> so i really need some help getting my sound back
[20:18] <devilsadvocate_> it stopped working all of a sudden
[20:18] <devilsadvocate_> aplay doesnt work either
[20:19] <devilsadvocate_> alsa finds my audio devices just fine
[20:19] <crimsun> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh , please.
[20:19] <devilsadvocate_> volume is turned up
[20:19] <devilsadvocate_> oki
[20:19] <mikebeecham> quick aesthetic question...is there any way to place the time and date next to each other, instead of on top of each other?
[20:20] <Scotie> Devil Where do you have sound problems, anywhere,
[20:20] <boodroscotch> why are the window control buttons (like close and minimize) on the left side now???
[20:20] <Scotie> me too, hope it will fix it after upgrade to lucid
[20:20] <devilsadvocate_>  http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=5a33c14e158c04ce84b4bcf136ebddc6e466a3e7
[20:21] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, ^
[20:21] <devilsadvocate_> Scotie, no sound plays, at all
[20:21] <Scotie> no, suddenly, don t know why
[20:21] <crimsun> seriously?
[20:21] <crimsun> Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined penum Playback channels: Mono Limits: Playback 0 - 64 Mono: Playback 64 [100%] [0.00dB] [off]
[20:21] <crimsun> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:22] <crimsun> it's muted.
[20:22] <devilsadvocate_> hm
[20:22] <Scotie> Amarok crashed when download the sound
[20:23] <devilsadvocate_> so thats the last time i trust kmix
[20:23]  * devilsadvocate_ tries to unmute with alsamixer
[20:23] <nightsjammies> hey, does amarok play videos?
[20:23] <nightsjammies> and has anyone in here gotten the supposed video plugin to work for rhythmbox?
[20:23] <Scotie> no, really, perhaps ipod that sit i think
[20:24] <step21> hi, still trying to force gma x3100 to output to 1920x1080 ... did cvt 1920 1080; xrandr --newmode ...; xrandr --addmode ...; xrandr --output ... --mode ...; it accepts it, but it seemingly only switches to 1680x1050. and not even that really, because the bottom of the screen is cut of (taskbar)
[20:24] <step21> both screen and card support this resolution everywhere else
[20:24] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c2aff379837d7a24294ea25dbb3a7a2e72e2968c : i still hear no sound. i unmuted in alsamixer, how i see if its muted in the output?
[20:25] <devilsadvocate_> yeah, the off changed to on
[20:25] <boodroscotch> Okay, that's it. No nautilus!?!?!?? going back to Karmic.
[20:25] <DexterF> hi
[20:25] <devilsadvocate_> so i'm presuming its not unmuted
[20:25] <devilsadvocate_> not muted*
[20:25] <Scotie> Did you check it with system checking
[20:25] <DexterF> how do I get the window buttons back to the right side?
[20:27] <monkey_dust> DexterF, alt-f2 gconf-editor apps > metacity > general > button layout
[20:27] <monkey_dust> but it's easier to get ysed to it
[20:27] <monkey_dust> ysed = used
[20:27] <DexterF> I dont want to get used to it. it blows.
[20:27] <monkey_dust> i'm already used to it
[20:27] <Scotie> Can I get the Awn manager on the right side of the screen
[20:28] <Scotie> verticallu
[20:28] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: install pavucontrol and check that you aren't trying to use the HDMI out
[20:28] <nightsjammies> I've got Nautilus..
[20:28] <Scotie> vertically
[20:28] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: alternately, check pactl stat
[20:28] <nightsjammies> 2.29
[20:28] <monkey_dust> boodroscotch, no nautilus, what do you mean?
[20:28] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, if it makes any difference, i heard the kde login sound when i logged in earlier. then later i played some bzflag and tried muting it, and assumed i muted it by pressing the hardware button (XF86Mute or so). after that, no sound comes out. i've been trying with aplay in the hope that if its a pulseaudio problem then that wouldnt affect aplay
[20:28] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, checking
[20:28] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: also, because you mentioned KMix, I presume you've configured Phonon (KDE System Settings > Multimedia) correctly to set PA to the highest/topmost priority?
[20:29] <boodroscotch> monkey_dust: I think my Lucid upgrade was messed up.
[20:29] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, yepi've also tried to 'test' each of the optionf from there, none of them produce any sound either.
[20:29] <boodroscotch> half my applets are missing
[20:29] <Scotie> really, i am busy, whats happend
[20:29] <boodroscotch> GNOME/X won't start
[20:29] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: so what's the output from 'pactl stat'?
[20:30] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: pastebin, please
[20:30] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, doing that tright now
[20:31] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/H3RyGVSu
[20:31] <DexterF> monkey_dust: that was easy, thanks.
[20:32] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, ok, it works now
[20:32] <sulle> Is here annyone that please can help me with my mouse sensitivity problem?.
[20:32] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, in pavucontrol, the output devices volume was muted
[20:32] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, how could this happen / where is this normally controlled from?
[20:32] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: you pressed mute.
[20:33] <devilsadvocate_> i turned _everything_ on alsamixer all the way up :(
[20:33] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: that doesn't make much difference
[20:39] <devilsadvocate_> crimsun, thanks, by the way :)
[20:39]  * devilsadvocate_ gets somewhat panicky in the absense of artificial sound
[20:39] <crimsun> devilsadvocate_: np
[20:44] <DexterF> is there an rss reader that scrolls in a bar like KNewsTicker?
[20:45] <dante123> hi all, i keep getting asked for the keyring when first logging...how do I make it so that logging in invokes the keyring password
[20:45] <sulle> My mouse sens is too high, i have changed it in the mouse settings but it is still sooo high that it is a problem to use it. Cant find a solution to this. Annyone here that can please help me?
[20:46] <dante123> desktop, laptop, or netbook sulle
[20:46] <sulle> Desktop dante123
[20:46] <dante123> have u tried a different mouse...just to compare
[20:47] <happyhobo> So lucid is going to go through with the screwed up buttons?
[20:47] <happyhobo> Maximize, minimize and exit?  On the left side?
 it isn't that big of a deal....for netbooks it is actually a good idea as sometimes left side gets lost.....im sure it will be a configurable setting
[20:48] <dante123> sorry meant to say right side....when windows are larger than screen size
[20:49] <happyhobo> I didn't know that about netbooks.  I got the fix 2 or 3 releases ago.  My only wish for lucid is to have the mint menu as an option.  I added it myself and I really liked it.
[20:49] <dante123> i think there is too much crying about it from the "purists"....although I prefer them on right side too
[20:50] <dante123> mint menu?   you mean when u start up....for grub2?
[20:50] <happyhobo> I saved the gconftool command
[20:50] <happyhobo> No on the panel
[20:51] <dante123> you mean that menu on bottom left corner......windows like.....from linux mint?
[20:51] <happyhobo> that menu in the top left or whereever you want to put it
[20:52] <longcat> help
[20:52] <happyhobo> You came to the right place longcat
[20:52] <longcat> i installed lucid and now when i log into gdm gnome-session doesnt run.  and if i run it manually i also need to start metacity manually too.  how do i fix these two issues?
[20:53] <guntbert> longcat: did you update today? there was an issue yesterday
[20:54] <longcat> i've been updating again and again but nothing.  i updated a couple hrs ago
[20:55] <longcat> could be my mirror is lagged, but is the issue that was fixed my issue?
[20:55] <longcat> im using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:55] <guntbert> longcat: not sure
[20:56] <mikebeecham> does anyone know how I can set out my panel clock so that the date is next to the time, instead of on top?
[20:56] <happyhobo> Hi mikebeecham
[20:57] <mikebeecham> hi happyhobo
[20:57] <salty-horse> getting this error in lucid when trying to mount my media player: Not Authorized: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.CheckAuthorization() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount is not registered
[20:57] <longcat> also is it just me or are the window decorations that let you resize/close/etc now on the left side instead of the right?
[20:57] <mikebeecham> longcat: correct
[20:58] <mikebeecham> new design
[20:58] <yofel> mikebeecham: do you use KDE/gnome/xfce/... ?
[20:58] <mikebeecham> yofel: gnome mate
[20:59]  * yofel hasn't seen the date on top yet in gnome
[20:59] <mikebeecham> at the moment, I have the date, then underneath is the time...and it's very squashed into the panel...I would really like to have it side by side
[20:59] <yofel> but maybe they changed something since I last used it
[20:59] <yofel> here in KDE the time is above the date
[20:59] <mikebeecham> mine's always been like that
[21:01] <salty-horse> longcat, I filed a bug about this in gnome: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563003
[21:02] <salty-horse> oops
[21:02] <salty-horse> not that
[21:02] <salty-horse> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613522
[21:03] <longcat> ah yes that would be ideal, i was trying to find how i could change that
[21:04] <salty-horse> that's easy
[21:04] <longcat> I think doing an autoremove removed more than I wanted.  Is there a package that tells gdm what available desktop environment options there are
[21:04] <longcat> gdm kicks me into a session with xterm and no window manager
[21:05] <salty-horse> see: /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/gconf-settings.sh
[21:05] <salty-horse> set it to "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[21:05] <salty-horse> but note that the default new ubuntu themes don't look well with that set
[21:05] <salty-horse> (mentioned in my bug)
[21:07] <longcat> weird, themes call gconf directly
[21:07] <DexterF> longcat: sounds to me as if somehting is broken or missing
[21:11] <salty-horse> longcat, they don't. that script is just there for nothing
[21:11] <salty-horse> (as far as my research led me to believe)
[21:11] <salty-horse> ubuntu had probably set the gconf value (or executed that script) in some other package installation script
[21:11] <Consul_Falx> hello folks
[21:12] <Consul_Falx> please, I need help in setting up X.Org for Kubuntu Lucid AMD64 beta1 ...
[21:12] <yofel> Consul_Falx: what doesn't work?
[21:12] <Consul_Falx> I have a centrino1duo laptop with ATI radeon mobility X1450 videocard
[21:13] <Consul_Falx> actually, all works well, but the video is visibly distracted
[21:13] <Consul_Falx> (so that It's really awful to use it in this state)
[21:14] <Consul_Falx> just as I put the install CD into device and started the CD checksumming operation, the splash image used in that was flickery just as all other graphics before and/or after the installation were
[21:15] <Consul_Falx> upon compositional effects or video playback, the distraction is not any stronger than without that, but, it flickers all time
[21:16] <Consul_Falx> well, and, actually, having now switched to a blank tty2, it flickers there as well :(
[21:18] <Consul_Falx> yofel: any advice?
[21:19] <yofel> Consul_Falx: can't help you as I don't have any experience with ati cards, you should wait a while, maybe someone else can. (and if not, possibly ask in #ubuntu-x if it's known)
[21:20] <cryptk> here is what should be a simple question... if I want to install KDE into my Ubuntu 10.04 B1 install so that I can choose which one I want to use, what package would that be?
[21:20] <cryptk> I looked in synaptic but there are hundreds of packages with KDE in the name
[21:20] <robin0800> cryptk: kde-desktop
[21:21] <yofel> cryptk: install 'kubuntu-desktop' that will pull in everything that's needed by kubuntu
[21:22] <cryptk> ok, and this shouldn't mess with my ability to use Gnome as I do now right?
[21:22] <cryptk> but I should be able to choose one at the login screen?
[21:22] <yofel> cryptk: no
[21:22] <cryptk> no as in it won't mess with anything?
[21:22] <yofel> cryptk: you'll have to choose if you want to use kdm or gdm though during the installation
[21:22] <robin0800> cryptk: yes but the menu may be a mess
[21:23] <cryptk> hrm... I am confused now
[21:23] <cryptk> so is there no way to just choose one at the logon screen?
[21:23] <robin0800> cryptk: yes as I said
[21:23] <yofel> cryptk: there will be, but you'll have to choose one logon screen, kde and gnome haver different ones (kdm/gdm)
[21:23] <cryptk> ahh, so I can install kubuntu-desktop and jsut choose then
[21:24] <yofel> cryptk: a prompt will appear for that
[21:24] <cryptk> I was confused by yofel saying I had to choose kdm or gdm during install
[21:24] <cryptk> ahh
[21:24] <cryptk> ok
[21:24] <cryptk> so I can use the gdm logon screen but have it load into KDE
[21:24] <robin0800> cryptk: but at least in gnome you will find kde menu items
[21:24] <yofel> cryptk: sorry, both kdm and gdm will let you choose if you want to use gnome or kde after that
[21:24] <cryptk> ok, gotcha
[21:25] <yofel> robin0800: it'll be the same in KDE too (gnome apps in menu)
[21:25] <cryptk> so I can stick with my gdm logon screen and jsut choose KDE
[21:25] <yofel> cryptk: yes
[21:25] <Consul_Falx> cryptk: I wouldn'
[21:25] <yofel> Consul_Falx: why not?
[21:25] <Consul_Falx> t suggest using both
[21:25] <cryptk> reason I wanna try it is because I have always used gnome... haven't used KDE in like 7-8 years
[21:25] <dupondje> somebody around that has https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/543314 this bug ?
[21:25] <Consul_Falx> yofel: system integration turned out to be an immense mess ...
[21:26] <Consul_Falx> notification catching, composition cache, plasma applets start f.cking up ...
[21:26] <gavintlgold> just popping in to say great job with the chat integration and broadcast stuff. It's visually and functionally stunning!
[21:26] <cryptk> I also noticed that with 10.04 I tried installing like I always have.. use unetbootin to make a bootable USB stick with the iso image... didn't work
[21:26] <cryptk> had to burn it for some reason
[21:27] <yofel> Consul_Falx: I have both gnome and kde installed, and the only issue I have noticed is that pulseaudio likes to make sound complicated in KDE
[21:27] <cryptk> yofel, so you are doing KDE and Gnome on Lucid?
[21:27] <robin0800> Consul_Falx: going gnome to kde is ok no idear about starting with kde and adding gnome
[21:27] <yofel> Consul_Falx: and yes, I once noticed nm-applet replacing knotify with notify-osd, but that's all that happened to me so far
[21:28] <yofel> cryptk: I do, but I use KDE most of the time, gnome is there if something breaks and makes KDE unusable
[21:28] <cryptk> btw, one last question, I heard that HAL is completely gone in Lucid... is that right?
[21:28] <Consul_Falx> yes, another thing, upon having ubuntu/xubuntu desktop installed, one may not use phonon as backend in KDE
[21:28] <Consul_Falx> robin0800: right, I installed gnome into Kubuntu, and had to reinstall -.-
[21:28] <yofel> cryptk: for gnome yes, but KDE and xfce still need it I think
[21:28] <Consul_Falx> kde uses hal
[21:28] <cryptk> ahh, no bueno on KDE for me then... I always have issues with HAL and my mouse
[21:29] <cryptk> makes it randomly stop working
[21:29] <Consul_Falx> and it has yet got some dismount error issues
[21:29] <Consul_Falx> but lucid is yet far from stable :)
[21:29] <cryptk> I will hold off on KDE then... I can't use it if it still uses HAL... my mouse hates HAL (I blame it on the mouse)
[21:29] <robin0800> kde dosn't use the pulse audio sound server by default its not installed
[21:29] <cryptk> so far I like lucid... the purple threw me off a bit though...
[21:30] <cryptk> and the window title bar widgits being on the left is going to take some getting used to
[21:30] <cryptk> huge thumbs up on the chat integration with the MeMenu though
[21:30] <cryptk> already broadcastto facebook with it
[21:30] <yofel> cryptk: maybe you should just get yourself a kubuntu live disk and try KDE out there
[21:30] <robin0800> Consul_Falx: all my purples gone black and blue here
[21:30] <Consul_Falx> :)
[21:31] <cryptk> yofel, I wish I could get it to work from my USB stick (much faster) but it wouldn't boot...
[21:31] <robin0800> cryptk:  all my purples gone black and blue here
[21:31] <cryptk> robin0800, indeed, I will be changing the purple soon
[21:31] <Consul_Falx> if using compiz in attached gnome, KWin will draw some data from compiz cache, whence display unwanted graphics upon changing workspaces, opening desktop wall or other things ...
[21:31] <cryptk> I do have to say... if ubuntu could come out with a visually stunning appearance like Linux Mint has then it would be phenominal
[21:32] <Consul_Falx> much safer is to install kubuntu-desktop onto ubuntu, just as robin0800 said
[21:32] <cryptk> perhaps maybe in 10.10 we can have something really cool for the stock appearance
[21:33] <Consul_Falx> ey, folks... could anybody please try to help me with my graphics issue?
[21:33] <robin0800> cryptk: perhaps they will put the buttons back
[21:33] <cryptk> and the favorites section (really the whole menu system) in Mint is great, I would love to see an option to use an "Integrated Menu" in Ubuntu
[21:33] <deanus> prefer it simple and clean http://imagebin.org/89814
[21:33] <cryptk> robin0800, you mean the menu widgits?
[21:34] <robin0800> cryptk: no the minimize and maximise buttons etc.
[21:35] <cryptk> yeah, I have always called them widgits
[21:35] <cryptk> I like them on the right better also
[21:36] <robin0800> cryptk: mine are back on the right
[21:36] <cryptk> robin0800, how did you move them?
[21:36] <cryptk> is there an easy way or did you graba  whole new window theme?
[21:37] <robin0800> cryptk: gconf -editor metacity general move the colon to be leadig and not trailing
[21:38] <Muscovy> Regarding window controls, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[21:40] <cryptk> THANK YOU
[21:40] <cryptk> buttons back on right
[21:43] <hackeron> xserver-xorg-input-evtouch: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.2) but it is not going to be installed < any ideas?
[21:46] <cryptk> the more I check out the social features of Lucid the more I am impressed... some people put in some really good work on this
[21:47] <avar> what features? I was very disappointed in the toolbar/gwibber thing
[21:48] <cryptk> avar, that is what I am talking about, I can post to all of my accounts from right there, , click on the empathy icon (the envelope) and click on braoadcast and see all of the feeds
[21:48] <cryptk> that last part is really nice
[21:50] <hackeron> Filed a bug :( < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/543740
[21:51] <avar> cryptk: Yeah. That's just gwibber which was neat. I was hoping for something more closely coupled with the panel.
[21:52] <avar> I thought "social by default" was a bit more than a single text field in a drop down menu;/ Something more apple-ish :)
[21:52] <cryptk> well, would you rather the whole MeMenu be gwibber in a dropdown menu?
[21:53] <kklimonda>  the problem I have with this textentry field in memenu is that it's not obvious what is it for.
[21:53] <hackeron> Wait, HAL was removed in lucid? - What's the hardware abstraction layer now?
[21:54] <kklimonda> hackeron: pure udev
[21:54] <avar> Something a bit more polished. Like at least a countdown meter from 140 chars if I'm using twitter. or a textfield where I can see more than ~50 chars of the entire message
[21:54] <avar> And it doesn't launch gwibber by default, afaict I have to do that manually by putting it in startup items or something like that
[21:55] <kklimonda> avar: it's not going to show if gwibber isn't launched
[21:55] <hackeron> kklimonda: so say if I ran: $ hal-find-by-capability video4linux - before - what do I do now?
[21:55] <avar> kklimonda: I still get the text field even if gwibber isn't running
[21:55] <kklimonda> avar: it's a bug
[21:56] <avar> :)
[21:56] <kklimonda> hackeron: no idea
[21:56] <cryptk> I like it though, there will always be some people that prefer something different but I think it is great
[21:57] <hackeron> anyone have any details about the HAL removal?
[21:57] <Sado0og> hello  need help
[21:57] <kklimonda> hackeron: google for halsectomy
[21:58] <hackeron> kklimonda: thanks
[21:58] <alex_mayorga> audio died after switching users, is this known?
[21:58] <hackeron> also, the default search engine was changed from google to yahoo? why??
[21:58] <OerHeks> yahoo pays more :-D
[21:58] <yofel> hackeron: canonical earned some money by doing that
[21:59] <OerHeks> to run all the update servers
[21:59] <Sado0og> i have installed ubuntu 10.04 from windows7 .... when i reboot my laptop to login to ubuntu i got error message ?? why ??
[21:59] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: what do you mean by die? you don't hear anything when you play the music on the new account?
[21:59] <yofel> Sado0og: a) ubuntu 10.04 is still beta and has bugs, b) what error message do you get?
[22:01] <Sado0og> i dunno   in startup   getting long message  and tell me to press TAB to get more info...and i only have a choice to type command  like  help  reboot ....
[22:01] <hackeron> also, is 2.6.34 going to make it to lucid? - or are we stuck with 2.6.32 now? :(
[22:01] <kklimonda> hackeron: no, lucid uses 2.6.32
[22:01] <yofel> Sado0og: the command line starts with 'grub>' ?
[22:02] <Sado0og> yep
[22:02] <yofel> Sado0og: ok, boot manager fail :( I doubt i can  be of assistance here as I don't know how wubi works
[22:03] <Sado0og> i don't want to install ubuntu from bios  ..cause i afraid it harms my win7 files  i got many there
[22:03] <Sado0og> is there anyway ?
[22:03] <hackeron> kklimonda: well, it's beta, so we'll be stuck with it till the next release? :(
[22:03] <histo> Sado0og: what?
[22:04] <kklimonda> hackeron: what is beta?
[22:04] <Sado0og> for installing ubuntu from windows and get wotk ?
[22:04] <histo> Sado0og: how woudl you install from the bios?  You mean install to the harddisk?
[22:04] <hackeron> kklimonda: lucid
[22:04] <hackeron> kklimonda: will a newer kernel make it in for the final?
[22:04] <Sado0og> i meant boot from cd (sorry my english bad)
[22:04] <histo> Sado0og: thats what wubi is for. Installing in windows
[22:05] <kklimonda> hackeron: no - 2.6.32 is the version that both upstream and other distributions are going to support for a long time so it makes sense to use it in the LTS release.
[22:05] <histo> Sado0og: you just download the livecd and run it from there. But you may want to use 9.10 or wait untill 10.04 comes out. You're runnign the beta version of ubuntu right now.
[22:05] <Sado0og> histo :  i got error message  with command line start with grub
[22:05] <Sado0og> ok  i will wait
[22:06] <Sado0og> when the stable version gonne be ?
[22:06] <Sado0og> gonna*
[22:06] <histo> Sado0og: 9.10 is stable rightnow.  I don't know why you are trying to run a beta version.
[22:06] <hackeron> kklimonda: I guess that makes sense :)
[22:06] <Sado0og> i have 9.10  kuala
[22:06] <Sado0og> but i don't like the interface
[22:06] <histo> Sado0og: and you are tryign to boot from cd?
[22:07] <histo> Sado0og: or are you trying to install it?
[22:07] <yofel> histo: he installed it using wubi but gets a 'grub>' prompt when trying to use it
[22:07] <Sado0og> histo: i said i don't want to boot from cd.....i install from windows but got error message
[22:07] <histo> Sado0og: ahhh also what is your native language?
[22:07] <Sado0og> arabic
[22:08] <Sado0og> but i choose english
[22:08] <Sado0og> everything in my pc english
[22:08] <Sado0og> win7 also english
[22:08] <histo> Sado0og: well I was just going to suggest i'm sure htere is an arabic support channel but anyways. Let me find you the proper room
[22:08] <Sado0og> i don't use arabic in my pc
[22:08] <Sado0og> ok
[22:09] <micahg> anyone else having issue with kvpnc on Lucid?
[22:09] <histo> !wubi | Sado0og
[22:09] <histo> Sado0og: you want to follow the troubleshooting link
[22:09] <histo> Sado0og: second one.
[22:09] <histo> Sado0og: also support for karmic is in #ubuntu this channel is for lucid
[22:09] <Sado0og> i know
[22:09] <Sado0og> i wanna support for lucid
[22:09] <Sado0og> thats all
[22:10] <Sado0og> i'm gonna wait for stable lucid
[22:10] <Sado0og> bye ybe
[22:11] <micahg> anyone else having issue with kvpnc on Lucid?
[22:13] <pacejr> Hi, I need help. I did a update-manager -d to upgrade to lucid. It quit (long story) around the time packages were configuring.
[22:14] <pacejr> I did a dpkg --configure to finish configuring and then another apt-get upgrade.
[22:15] <Muscovy> What happened?
[22:15] <DexterF> how do I change interface language after installation?
[22:15] <pacejr> What else does the upgrade need before I reboot? Update-manager thinks we're already at lucid
[22:15] <pacejr> I don't know if there are other things before i can reboot
[22:15] <kklimonda> DexterF: you can use system->administration->language support
[22:15] <abe3k> hi, I've been testing 10.04 for a while and it seems stable, I've done an update today and the window manager (metacity) started to show window options to the left of the title bar instead of the right corner, is there any explanation to why that is happening ?
[22:16] <avar> DexterF: also to log in with a different language you have to log it -> use gdm
[22:16] <kklimonda> abe3k: it's a design change made by developers
[22:16] <pacejr> How do you manually finish a dist-upgrade that failed?
[22:16] <avar> No actually right -> left is the design change. It shouldn't go back again unles syou changed it.
[22:17] <avar> pacejr: How did it fail?
[22:17] <abe3k> kklimonda, so it isn't a bug ?
[22:17] <abe3k> kklimonda, how could I make them show to the right corner then ?
[22:17] <Muscovy> If you don't like it, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod is a mod I made to change it back.
[22:17] <DexterF> kklimonda: ah, been there, added "german", had no effect. didn't know I had to drag it to the top. not really intuitive
[22:17] <kklimonda> abe3k: there is some command you can type but I don't remember it.
[22:17] <avar> Or change it with: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:stownsend42/light-themes
[22:17] <Muscovy> I've got it on the wiki page.
[22:18] <pacejr> avar: The monitor went into standby and wouldn't come back no matter what I did. I had to remotely restart gdm
[22:18] <avar> try running it from the command-line?
[22:18] <pacejr> avar: yeah, i tried the method using the server upgrade but it already htinks it's at lucid
[22:19] <pacejr> avar: so it happily quits
[22:19] <abe3k> anyone familiar with the command line that changes the arrangement of the titlebar buttons ?
[22:19] <Muscovy> Me.
[22:19] <abe3k> I want them arranged to the right not to the left
[22:20] <Muscovy>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[22:20] <kklimonda> abe3k: if you can't find it you aren't really that desperate to change it ;)
[22:20] <abe3k> I'm right handed O.o
[22:20] <Muscovy> That has the command, and, changes so the reorder doesn't break the design flow.
[22:20] <abe3k> Muscovy, I'll look into that thanks
[22:20] <avar> abe3k: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:stownsend42/light-themes
[22:20] <abe3k> I bet the designer is a lefty !
[22:21] <kklimonda> abe3k: it doesn't really have anything to do with what hand is dominant
[22:21] <Muscovy> Just using the reorder command alone looks weird, because the shadowing behind the first button is a box.
[22:21] <odinsbane> Awesome, just upgraded everything is working great, even compiz came on w/out a hitch.
[22:22] <zerwas> Anybody got Chromium from the repos and can tell if it uses the default theme with window control buttons on the right side?
[22:22] <odinsbane> It looks so nice I almost don't want to change anything.
[22:22] <abe3k> if I remember correctly the titlebar changes depending on the language being used as the default for the OS, if you're using an LTR language the buttons should be to the right and vice-versa
[22:22] <abe3k> but I'm not sure
[22:24] <Muscovy> zerwas: It uses its own theme.
[22:24] <Muscovy> WIndow controls to the right, "normal" order.
[22:24] <zerwas> Muscovy> interesting. Thank you very much
[22:24] <odinsbane> How do I move the window controls?
[22:24] <abe3k> hah, it seems that more people dislike this
[22:24] <Muscovy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[22:25] <histo> why is there no partimage but there is partimage-doc?
[22:25] <histo> !info partimage
[22:25] <abe3k> was this thing done by voting or the designers just decided to change it ?
[22:25] <histo> I can't get it
[22:25] <DexterF> kklimonda: now after re-login system is german liek I wanted it but the keyboard is wrong tho the applet says german. bug?
[22:25] <odinsbane> I don't mind it yet, but if there is an easy way to move the controls, I'd like to know.
[22:25] <Muscovy> The designers sprung it as a proposal. no one knows if it's final.
[22:25] <kklimonda> DexterF: no idea
[22:26] <Muscovy> Odinsbane: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[22:26] <abe3k> Muscovy, Uh-huh]
[22:26] <DexterF> kklimonda: chose german agin, no its good. seems really a bug.
[22:26] <odinsbane> Muscovy: saw it.
[22:26]  * DexterF writes report
[22:26] <Muscovy> gconftool -s --type string /apps/metacity/general/button_layout ":minimize,maximize,close"
[22:26] <histo> Okay its saying partimage is there but I can't get it
[22:27] <abe3k> well they should've at least put the close button to the far left instead of it being far away from the window corner
[22:27] <abe3k> I would say someone really messed it up :)
[22:28] <histo> How do i find the maintaner of a package?
[22:28] <zerwas> histo> packages.ubuntu.com
[22:28] <yofel> histo: apt-cache show <pkgname> (look for the Maintainer: line)
[22:29] <histo> zerwas: and is there a way to search packages.ubuntu.com because i don't know where its at.
[22:29] <histo> yofel: no maintainer line
[22:29] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: I was watching a flash video on firefox, my wife had to quickly check her mail, so I switched user, after she logged off, my paused flash video has no sound
[22:29] <rww> histo: which package?
[22:30] <yofel> histo: which package?
[22:30] <histo> partimage
[22:30] <histo> its jacked up right now you can't install it
[22:30] <yofel> histo: it has a maintainer line, and I can install it here, can you pastebinit the apt output?
[22:31] <histo> Package partimage is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[22:31] <histo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[22:31] <histo> is only available from another source
[22:31] <histo> E: Package partimage has no installation candidate
[22:31] <rww> histo: the maintainer is the MOTU team. See the right side of http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/partimage
[22:31] <histo> Its only 4 lines
[22:31] <TehStatuZ> Has anyone ever managed to get Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas running?
[22:31] <abe3k> one more thing, I cant update these two packages from the update manager: parted, udisks, they're grayed out
[22:31] <histo> I have universe enabled
[22:31] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: and what about sound in general? have you tried playing something else (not flash, for example music file)
[22:31] <histo> I don't get this.
[22:31] <yofel> histo: are you *sure* that you have the universe repos enabled?
[22:31] <rww> histo: have you done sudo apt-get update recently?
[22:32] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: all noise comes via flash here, I'm looking for something to make noise :)
[22:32] <histo> Is it in restricted universe?  everythign is checked enabled in the GUI but in sources.list the only thing that isn't is the restricted lines
[22:32] <rww> histo: no, it's in universe
[22:32] <histo> backports
[22:32] <rww> and not backports
[22:32] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: suggestions?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> there is no such thing as backport
[22:32] <histo> Everything else is enabled
[22:32] <BUGabundo> in +1
[22:33] <rww> histo: again, have you done sudo apt-get update recently?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> not even Updates or security
[22:33] <TehStatuZ> I am trying to get a game running in Wine/PlayOnLinux, but the game just keeps crashing. Anyone got experience?
[22:33] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
[22:33] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: I know, firing up system testing ;)
[22:33] <histo> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Packages
[22:33] <histo> rww: yes
[22:33] <histo> its hitting the repo also
[22:33] <histo> Is it maybe a problem witht he us repo?
[22:34] <rww> ohhhhhh
[22:34] <odinsbane> TehStatuZ: did the game ever work for you?
[22:34] <rww> histo: which architecture are you on?
[22:34] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: got "Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono" but I didn't hear anything
[22:34] <rww> (amd64/i386/arm/etc.)
[22:34] <histo> x64
[22:34] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: hmm.. you should report that then
[22:34] <odinsbane> TehStatuZ: also did you check winedb they have a list of games/programs that are known to work well.
[22:34] <rww> histo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partimage/+bug/198724
[22:34] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: against?
[22:35] <yofel> ah, that would explain it, I tried it on i386
[22:35] <TehStatuZ> odinsbane, Its not working for me. And yes, i checked the winedb for the game. Its reported succesfull
[22:35] <histo> rww: I knew I wasn't going crazy
[22:35] <odinsbane> TehStatuZ: is it a 3d game?
[22:35] <TehStatuZ> odinsbane, Yes, it is.
[22:35] <alex_mayorga> this is reportable too I guess, from dmesg "[19783.586723] gnome-screensav[11829]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f12f3f34a80 sp 00007fff125d1de0 error 4 in libGL.so.195.36.15[7f12f3e99000+aa000]"
[22:35] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: do ubuntu-bug sound when you don't hear anything
[22:36] <yofel> wouldn't that be 'ubuntu-bug audio' ?
[22:36] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: ups, ubuntu-bug audio
[22:36] <kklimonda> right
[22:37] <odinsbane> TehStatuZ: what is your 3d card?
[22:37] <abe3k> when trying to update the "parted" package I get the following: " Depends: libparted0 but it is not going to be installed" what is the problem
[22:37] <abe3k> this only happened once I've updated today
[22:38] <zerwas> Muscovy> could you show me a screenshot or tell me which theme is used? i can't test lucid here
[22:38] <Muscovy> zerwas: Sorry, more info?
[22:39] <zerwas> Muscovy> Chromium on Lucid
[22:39] <yofel> zerwas: afaik chrome should look the  same in ubuntu as it looks in windows
[22:39] <Muscovy> Chrome looks the same in Lucid as Karmic/Jaunty.
[22:39] <Muscovy> Unless you manually tell it to use system themes.
[22:40] <zerwas> yofel> in Mac OS X for example the window controls are on the left side. And lucid has them on the left side, too, now. that's why i asked
[22:40] <TehStatuZ> odinsbane, im having trouble locating the name of my videocard. Since im kinda new to Ubuntu, could you explain me how real quick?
[22:40] <yofel> zerwas: ah, well, I'm not sure what theme settings chrome would abide to tbh
[22:41] <odinsbane> TehStatuZ: lspci should tell you.
[22:41] <TehStatuZ> odinsbane, ATI Technologies inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400
[22:42] <zerwas> yofel> keep in mind: I'm talking about chromium (which is in repositories), not chrome.
[22:42] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: thanks on the tip
[22:42] <odinsbane> TehStatuZ: you could try in #radeon, they might tell you to install the updated drivers.
[22:42] <yofel> zerwas: ah, sry, I don't make much of a difference there...
[22:42] <inveratulo> is there a way to remove and reinstall aptitude safely?  I keep getting segfaults
[22:42] <yofel> inveratulo: that's known afaik
[22:42] <kklimonda> inveratulo: it's a known problem
[22:42] <TehStatuZ> odinsbane, Ill give it a try, thanks for your time.
[22:43] <inveratulo> yofel,kklimonda: th eonly bug report i saw was one that was fixed by using the "-q" option with aptitude, but unfortunately that doesn't work for me
[22:44] <yofel> inveratulo: oh? where does it segfault exactly?
[22:44] <vistakiller> anyone else has problem with suspend?
[22:45] <histo> anyone else get lines down the side of the background on both edges of the screen?
[22:45] <inveratulo> yofel: kklimonda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398996/
[22:46] <kklimonda> inveratulo: have you tried sending it to the launchpad?
[22:47] <inveratulo> kklimonda: not yet, i wanted to make sure i wasn't a victim of my own collosal stupidity
[22:47] <devilsadvocate_> vistakiller, what sort of problem?
[22:47] <vistakiller> is not working :P
[22:47] <abe3k> why is "safely remove usb device" is actually not safe in ubuntu ?
[22:48] <devilsadvocate_> vistakiller, suspend behaves strangely here - it does not suspend when i shut the laptop lid, it just locks the screen. then when i open the lid and unlock it _then_ goes into suspend
[22:48] <abe3k> I mean I do it on all of my usb devices, but still the devices are still showing me that they are connected to the machine even if I do click on the safely remove device
[22:48] <vistakiller> to me is not working at all
[22:49] <devilsadvocate_> abe3k, they are connected but not mounted. thats how its supposed to work
[22:49] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: the issue is now different
[22:49] <histo> God these lines are annoying have a white line on the left and right side of the background image on desktop
[22:49] <devilsadvocate_> histo, the image aspect ratio is probably wrong. you should change the background color or set it to scale and crop or something of the sort (scale and crop is waht kde calls it)
[22:50] <alex_mayorga> seems like the muted sound setting on my wife's session misteriously stuck when she logged off and passed onto my session that had maxed audio
[22:50] <abe3k> devilsadvocate_, well in all other operating systems, the device completely gets disconnected, power wise
[22:50] <alex_mayorga> can anyone try replicating it, please?
[22:51] <Some_Person> Ugh, I have a friend who keeps going on at me about an extremely minor bug he found
[22:51] <abe3k> devilsadvocate_, mobile phone still charging, usb memory stil have LEDs glowing ... etc
[22:51] <Some_Person> It's so minor, I don't feel it's worth reporting
[22:51] <inveratulo> yofel: kklimonda: guys I think I fixed my segfaults, it was due to my stupidity.. trying to mount a bunch of temp fses:  any idea which I can keep? :http://paste.ubuntu.com/399000/
[22:51] <devilsadvocate_> abe3k, tbh thats how its always been, i dont know if one way is specifically better than the other
[22:52] <yofel> inveratulo: not sure, but a tmpfs for /var/log doesn't really make any sense to me, you don't want any log files after reboot?
[22:52] <abe3k> devilsadvocate_, well what happens on my other OS is that the device completely shuts off, then I would remove it
[22:53] <inveratulo> yofel: this is on a work laptop that uses an SSD, keep logs is not really a priority
[22:53] <devilsadvocate_> abe3k, afaik the safely remove affair is just to make sure that you dont remove it /_While_ a read/write operation is going on. once you unmount the filesystem, that is the case (in the case of usb storage)
[22:54] <histo> devilsadvocate_: It doens't matter what image I pick or zoom or stretch etc...
[22:54] <yofel> inveratulo: tbh, mounting something like /var/cache/apt/archives as a tmpfs would make more sense, you don't exactly need the .deb files after you installed them, but I do like to have the logs here (I use a ssd too)
[22:54] <abe3k> devilsadvocate_, I think you're right tbh
[22:54] <abe3k> devilsadvocate_, it just feels better to pull out devices that are actually off :)
[22:54] <histo> No one else has white bars?
[22:55] <histo> wth
[22:55] <devilsadvocate_> abe3k, personally i like this behavior because it lets me, for instance, charge something without connecting it / have drivers/so on
[22:55] <devilsadvocate_> histo, is it just with the background or do the panels also seem shorter than they should be?
[22:56] <abe3k> devilsadvocate_, well, right now I have my phone connected to the usb, I've clicked the safely remove, but my phone is still showing me that it is connected and I have to detach the usb to access my phone files
[22:56] <histo> I just logged otu and back in and now they are gone
[22:56] <histo> devilsadvocate_: ^^^ its some sort of bug
[22:56] <histo> I have to figure out why conky has drop shadows around it now on my desktop
[22:57] <yofel> inveratulo: ok, using a tmpfs for /var/tmp doesn't do any harm to aptitude here. I won't try /var/log as that would probably crash the system logging services
[22:57] <histo> And it comes up when I pull up scale
[22:57] <yofel> inveratulo: (while they're running)
[22:57] <abe3k> isn't there any way of "powering down" the usb port for some time ?
[22:58] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: got an extra id to test?
[22:58] <devilsadvocate_> abe3k, it does it by itself when the power drawn from it crosses some threshold, so it should be possible somehow. i dont know how, exactly
[22:59] <ChogyDan> yofel: why would that crash the logging services?
[22:59] <abe3k> ok one more thing. when I connected the charger to my laptop the battery icon disappeared and I can no long see how much of the battery life is left O.o
[22:59] <setuid> Anyone know what happened to the volume manager in the most-recent few-days upgrades?
[22:59] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: I have problems with session switching so not really
[22:59] <setuid> When I use my volume-up/dn buttons on the laptop, they do notihng
[22:59] <abe3k> or how far it''s been charged
[23:00] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: nvidia related?
[23:00] <setuid> xev shows key events
[23:00] <yofel> ChogyDan: I'm not sure, but they might try to access a file in /var/log that will vanish by mounting a tmpfs over it, and I don't want to risk that right now
[23:02] <kklimonda> alex_mayorga: nouveau related most likely
[23:02] <ChogyDan> yofel: I c
[23:03] <ChogyDan> setuid: btw, my volume applet is still working
[23:03] <setuid> ChogyDan, There seems to BE no applet. What's it called?
[23:03] <devilsadvocate_> ChogyDan, i dont think tmpfs is a good idea for /var/log. one of the reasons its there is so that the logs can survive a full system crash and give clues to why it went down. iirc a tmpfs will clean itself on reboot / not be able to retriev information past pwerdown (i may be wrong)
[23:04] <setuid> When I launch gnome-volume-control, I see:
[23:04] <setuid> ** (gnome-volume-control:20977): WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting...
[23:04] <setuid> ...repeatedly in the terminal
[23:04] <alex_mayorga> kklimonda: odd, user switch works with nouveau on this end
[23:04] <abe3k> setuid, did you try to kill it first ?
[23:05] <devilsadvocate_> something like logfs might be alright though
[23:05] <ChogyDan> setuid: it is part of the indicator applet, I don't really know how that works
[23:05] <setuid> abe3k, I see this: http://pastebin.com/3zUazi5g
[23:06] <setuid> Even running it as root, fails (under sudo)
[23:06] <histo> Figured it out window_type override worked.
[23:08] <ChogyDan> devilsadvocate_: my understanding is that tmpfs goes straight to ram, so by nature, it would clear itself on reboot.
[23:08] <setuid> abe3k, It worked 2 days ago, prior to these updates... so something in the most-recent 1,388 packages that were updated this week, changed it
[23:09] <devilsadvocate_> ChogyDan, so that isnt really a good solution if you do want to be able to debug some problems, of course, you can always switch it to a non-volatille fs if you do start having problems
[23:10] <abe3k> setuid, do you have sound coming from your speakers ?
[23:10] <setuid> abe3k, Sure, when I use gnome-alsamixer to adjust sounds, they work, and sound works everywhere else
[23:11] <setuid> ls > /dev/dsp also works
[23:11] <abe3k> setuid, try running ;killall pulseaudio; sleep 1s;pulseaudio
[23:11] <setuid> abe3k, http://pastebin.com/TjDwn7pU
[23:12] <setuid> Installing pulseaudio-module-bluetooth now
[23:12] <abe3k> setuid, or try switching your bluetooth
[23:13] <setuid> I don't use bluetooth
[23:13] <setuid> Hrm, now it works... had to install pulseaudio-module-gconf also
[23:14] <abe3k> setuid, pretty strange :)
[23:15] <setuid> Anyone know where the most-recent isos are for all of the popular Linux distros? I want to build up a handful of virtual machines to test some code
[23:16]  * setuid finds linuxiso.org and distrowatch
[23:16] <MikeChelen> yeah distrowatch
[23:16]  * arand Was just going to suggest DW
[23:20] <abe3k> wouldn't ubuntu be soooo much cooler if you can select which apps you want in your live cd like slax.org :>
[23:20] <setuid> abe3k, roll your own
[23:20] <Some_Person>  I was wondering if plymouth not working may  be a result of my continued use of grub-legacy
[23:21]  * setuid doesn't get the point of plymouth
[23:21] <setuid> ...and still runs grub, not grub-pc
[23:21] <abe3k> it's all about eye candy :)
[23:21] <setuid> plymouth works in like 2% of the cases it was designed for
[23:21] <Some_Person> I'd reinstall usplash if it wouldn't force me to remove gdm
[23:21] <setuid> plymouth doesn't work if you encrypt your root fs, which I always do
[23:22] <setuid> usplash also doesn't work in the same case
[23:23] <Ian_Corne> Some_Person: have you tried xsplash?
[23:23] <abe3k> I'ld prefer always seeing whats going under the hood while booting :>
[23:23] <Some_Person> usplash has always worked for me, plymouth is just failing me
[23:23] <Some_Person> Ian_Corne: xsplash only works after X starts. Karmic used it in combination with usplash
[23:23] <dto> hi. is there any chance the newer wacom bamboo tablets will work with Lucid?
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> oh
[23:24] <Some_Person> Ian_Corne: usplash provided the white ubuntu logo on black backround, while xsplash provided the ubuntu logo on brown background
[23:24] <setuid> jaunty always worked with my 1920x1200 console output, but Lucid refuses to work with the same exact grub config that worked fine with Jaunty
[23:24] <setuid> or Karmic
[23:25] <Some_Person> Someone did make an xsplash theme with the lucid logo, so that with karmic's usplash theme would probably work pretty darn well in my opinion
[23:25] <Ian_Corne> I find that it's not really helpfull jumping ship already
[23:26] <Ian_Corne> I stick with the proposed options and file bug reports if they're broken
[23:26] <setuid> Until they get a usplash that works at higher than 640x480 with support for encrypted root filesystems (i.e. prompting for a passphrase at boot time), none of that is truly scalable.
[23:26] <Ian_Corne> and then if it's not fixed at release, switch
[23:26] <Ian_Corne> like i switched back to pdigin in karmic
[23:26] <thehampelman> any idea where i can get the font used in the new ubuntu logo?
[23:26] <Some_Person> Ian_Corne: Plymouth isn't any better though if it doesn't work
[23:26] <abe3k> thehampelman, it looks cool doesn't it :)
[23:26] <setuid> thehampelman, url?
[23:27] <setuid> You could use 'whatthefont'
[23:27] <Some_Person> I read it was custom made though
[23:27] <thehampelman> i tried, it didn't find anything useful
[23:27] <setuid> http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
[23:27] <setuid> THat?
[23:27] <Some_Person> I don't think a full font for it has been released
[23:27] <thehampelman> ya, good site - normally ;-)
[23:28] <setuid> What does this new logo look like?
[23:28]  * setuid has over 13k fonts installed on his machine
[23:29] <kklimonda> setuid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[23:29] <abe3k> setuid, wtfff ? o.O
[23:29] <setuid> abe3k, I do a lot of font-matching/development/graphics manipulation
[23:30] <abe3k> setuid, how long does it ttake to load something like saaaay, GIMP ? :>
[23:30] <setuid> abe3k, Not that long... I keep them all in ~/.fonts.original, and move the ones I need over as I need them, into ~/.fonts/
[23:30] <abe3k> setuid, uh huh :)
[23:30] <ChogyDan> anyone use enlightenment?  or openGEU?  how do I install it?
[23:33] <setuid> thehampelman, http://new.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/results?ch[0]=u&ch[1]=b&ch[2]=u&ch[3]=n&ch[4]=t&ch[5]=u&ch[6]=e&wtfserver=node4.ric.mf&id=00018aec4b9c07210007cab0000020a3&glyphcount=7&imageid=18307208
[23:33] <setuid> abe3k, desrod@talon:~/.fonts.original$ find . -type f | wc -l
[23:33] <setuid> 20047
[23:34] <setuid> desrod@talon:~/.fonts$ find . -type f | wc -l
[23:34] <setuid> 543
[23:34] <abe3k> too bad metacity still doesn't support multiple mice input with all this new xorg stuff :)
[23:34] <setuid> Looks like the font is called Soneri Sone
[23:34] <Some_Person> That first one's close, but not quite it
[23:35] <Some_Person> the tops of the b and the t are different
[23:35] <abe3k> setuid, thehampelman was looking for the new ubuntu font :)
[23:35] <setuid> Some_Person, Looks like a slightly rounded version of Soneri Sone
[23:35] <setuid> abe3k, That's what I just provided
[23:35] <setuid> See the above url
[23:35] <setuid> It thinks the ubu logo at the end is an 'e', but the rest of the font and kerning looks 95% match
[23:36] <thehampelman> yep, a good start, thanks
[23:36] <abe3k> setuid, would be cool if the "e" had a sharp corner like  the "u" and the "n"
[23:36] <thehampelman> according to the wiki page we'll get the real deal sooner or later :)
[23:38] <Some_Person> If you cut off the non-existant 'e', the results are even better, but there's still no perfect match
[23:39] <abe3k> I think this is the actual font they've used in it
[23:40] <Some_Person> "Sone" and "Xenu Regular" are the closest by far
[23:41] <Some_Person> I can't figure out which is closer out of those 2
[23:41] <abe3k> sone for sure
[23:42] <abe3k> look at the "b" in xenu it's totally different
[23:42] <setuid> Anyone know if it's possible to concatenate some CD iso images together into one larger file, so I don't have to keep switching .iso images when I  build the VM out of them?
[23:43] <abe3k> setuid, which vm are you using ?
[23:44] <setuid> VMware Workstation... been using that since 1999
[23:44] <setuid> 7.01
[23:45] <abe3k> setuid, hmmm, I don't know about vmware but in vbox, you can make a list of mountable iso files and switch easily between them
[23:45] <setuid> I can switch them in vmware, but I want to make it nearly unattended install
[23:46] <setuid> Something like cat disc2.iso disc2.iso disc3.iso > big-disc.iso
[23:46] <abe3k> setuid, It wont work this way I think
[23:46] <yofel> setuid: and the files from which disk should the big-disk boot then? (if you want the desktop + alternate cd use the dvd)
[23:47] <abe3k> yofel, he has manyy linux distros and wants to make a single bootable installer for all of them I think
[23:47] <yofel> I doubt that's possible...
[23:48] <yofel> you would need a seperate boot manager to launch the installation for the distros on cd
[23:48] <abe3k> well you can make a grub on an iso file, and choose which one to run from
[23:48] <abe3k> just throwing suggestions
[23:48] <yofel> hm, possibly
[23:49] <abe3k> but  you'll have to make sure the directories don't conflict and so on
[23:49] <abe3k> or even better copy the iso files as iso files and as grub to mount them and start ?
[23:49] <abe3k> I'm not sure if that'll work or not
[23:49] <setuid> yofel, it's concatenated, so the files on the first image cat'd, would be what is booted
[23:50] <setuid> I could just tftp-boot something and install it off of an NFS share on my network, sure... but that's not really scalable.
[23:51] <abe3k> setuid, I think you'll be wasting time trying to figure that out other than just selecting another image :P
[23:52] <setuid> Most of the distros have a LiveDVD, or a 5-7-image iso set... they are not analogous
[23:53] <abe3k> setuid, why don't you mount all of them, and just change the priority each time you boot ?
[23:53] <setuid> eh?
[23:53] <abe3k> I'm just sayin :)
[23:53] <setuid> I'm just trying to automate (i.e. remove human interaction) the process of building a full Linux distro, with nearly every possible package available....
[23:54] <setuid> i.e. the equivalent of what's on the cd set, NOT what is on the DVD
[23:55] <abe3k> setuid, I'm afraid I'm all out of ideas, I didn't face your situation myself :)
[23:55] <ChogyDan> setuid: you want to build the whole archive?
[23:56] <setuid> ChogyDan, Not build, just install everything that comes on the cd set for each distro
[23:56] <setuid> ChogyDan, for example, CentOS is a 7-cd set... the CentOS LiveDVD is not equivalent
[23:56] <histo> setuid: debians repos are huge you understand that right?
[23:56] <histo> setuid: I'm confused as what you want to do?
[23:56] <setuid> histo, I know, I am a mirror of one :)
[23:57] <histo> setuid: What do you want to do exactly?
[23:58] <setuid> histo, See above... I want to automate the install of each Linux distro, with every package available -from the cd set- (not the full archive).
[23:58] <setuid> IOW, if I take that 7-cd CentOS set, and enable all of the packages from it, and install those (all dev packages, kernel development, tools, graphics, sound utils, etc.)
[23:58] <lukus> hi
[23:58] <lukus> hi - should the lucid beta be available yet?
[23:59] <arand> lukus: It is
[23:59] <lukus> when i do a dist-upgrade i get nothing - do i need to change any repos?
[23:59] <setuid> lukus, Boot one of the nightly iso images
[23:59] <setuid> lukus, If you're pointing to lucid repos, yes.
[23:59] <abe3k> lukus,  I think it is
[23:59] <kklimonda> lukus: you have yo use either update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d
[23:59] <lukus> ah okay
[23:59] <setuid> lukus, Prepare for major breakage though, if you're going from a previous build to lucid
[23:59] <arand> lukus: From 9.10?
[23:59] <lukus> I'm on karmic at the mom
[23:59] <setuid> i.e. jaunty -> lucid, gutsy -> lucid, etc.