[12:02] <jatt> ngeltt
[12:02] <PulsatingPenguin> Hey everyone...does anyone have any ideas what this error is about?  I'm getting during boot at "Starting Enterprise Volume Management System":  "Buffer I/O error on device dm-1, logical block xxxxxx"
[12:03] <Shadowthrone> Hi, I downloaded eterm but can't seem to find it in the menus and bash doesn't recognise it. How can I run it?
[12:03] <bbrazil> PulsatingPenguin: sounds vaguely like a dying hard disk, or possibly just general corruption
[12:03] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, try to open a new bash session
[12:03] <SirKillalot> (open new terminal)
[12:04] <Shadowthrone> SirKillalot: still nothing. I tried updatedb too and nothing.
[12:04] <c0ldfusi0n> Hey guys, anyone having problem with ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-amd64? When i try to install Ubuntu, X fails saying "no screens found" and throws me back to console... any ideas?
[12:04] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, updatedb won't do that what you want
[12:04] <PulsatingPenguin> bbrazil, yes, my first thought was that my NTFS partition was corrupted (I dualboot WinXP and Ubuntu) - I did a chkdsk /r on my NTFS partition, but nothing
[12:04] <x80> I got my modem driver installed successfully, when I try to use KPPP, it says "modem is ready", then "initializing modem" then the whole program disappears without a trace of an error message.
[12:04] <imme> Could anyone tell me if there is a way to connect to the windows network behind my gatewayrouter?
[12:04] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, try "locate eterm"
[12:04] <PulsatingPenguin> I would fsck the EXt3 one, but I cant get onto it
[12:04] <x80> Can anyone help?
[12:05] <x80> Imme: samba.
[12:05] <SirKillalot> x80, try ppoeconf or something, a command line tool
[12:05] <x80> Do i have to type out all the stinky modem strings?
[12:05] <Shadowthrone> SirKillalot: righto, lots of stuff in /var/lib and /usr/share/doc/
[12:05] <nbx909|linux> hello does anyobdy know if there is a how to install firefox 2.0 on dapper?
[12:05] <c0ldfusi0n> I installed it on my laptop fine though =/
[12:05] <SirKillalot> x80, what kind of modem?
[12:05] <ryanakca> in top, "Cpu(s): 16.5%us,  2.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 78.9%id,  2.3%wa,  0.3%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st", what does '%id' represent? %idle?
[12:05] <x80> Lucent.
[12:06] <nbx909|linux> like the one for 1.5
[12:06] <x80> The driver is already installed.
[12:06] <cafuego> ryanakca: yes
[12:06] <nbx909|linux> ubotu, firefox
[12:06] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[12:06] <Lubix> hello what is that name of the package that includes to header libraries for building C programs!?!?!
[12:06] <x80> I ran a "query modem" it returned success.
[12:06] <nbx909|linux> ubotu, firefox 2
[12:06] <imme> x80: I did samba, also opened prts 137-139 tcp and udp, but it still doesn't work, what am I missing?
[12:06] <nbx909|linux> ubotu, firefox 2.0
[12:06] <nbx909|linux> damn
[12:06] <daskreech> can I add more desktops?
[12:06] <daskreech> like 6?
[12:06] <cafuego> daskreech: yes
[12:06] <Pierre> Lubix: pkgname-dev
[12:06] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, did you install it via apt-get?
[12:06] <daskreech> cafuego: where?
[12:06] <nbx909|linux> Lubix, linux-kernel-headers
[12:06] <ryanakca> cafuego: kk, ty
[12:07] <cafuego> daskreech: right click the desktop switcher
[12:07] <x80> Smb://internal.ip.here.
[12:07] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, are you sure that it is usable without enlightenment?
[12:07] <Shadowthrone> SirKillalot: yes, and when that didn't work I used Synaptic.
[12:07] <x80> To view shared files.
[12:07] <daskreech> cafuego: Right Duh :)
[12:07] <cpk2> imme: did you configure samba?
[12:07] <daskreech> cafuego: Thanks
[12:07] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, there is no difference between synaptic and apt-get
[12:07] <Shadowthrone> SirKillalot: yeah that's what I figured.
[12:07] <imme> cpk2: Not that I recall where do I do that?
[12:07] <SirKillalot> Shadowthrone, do you really need eterm?
[12:07] <SirKillalot> I mean there is aterm, xterm, gnome-terminal (what I prefer most)
[12:07] <ricanelite> Hello all
[12:08] <Shadowthrone> SirKillalot: I don't need it, no, but it ought to work and isn't.
[12:08] <c0ldfusi0n> Anyone can help with my "no screens found" issue?
[12:08] <SirKillalot> c0ldfusi0n, no
[12:08] <ricanelite> How can I change my screen resoluton because i know for sure my monitor could display 1280x1024
[12:08] <c0ldfusi0n> How come? =/
[12:09] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:09] <Dr_willis> c0ldfusi0n,  that means the X config is messed up some how..
[12:09] <imme> x80: internal ip works, but I cannot get behind my gateway.
[12:09] <Dr_willis> c0ldfusi0n,  use what jbmigel  said
[12:09] <cpk2> imme: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605 that post should tell you everything you need
[12:09] <SirKillalot> ricanelite, set it up in the /etc/X11/Xorg.conf file
[12:09] <c0ldfusi0n> I would jbmigel, but i'm *trying* to install Ubuntu, i get that error straight after booting on the CD
[12:09] <chuckyp> ricanelite, or you could dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:09] <c0ldfusi0n> Ubuntu isn't even installed yet, nor configured properly. I just thought the install CD would, i don't know, install it?
[12:09] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n that is interesting... do you have a special monitor setup or whack job graphics card?
[12:10] <c0ldfusi0n> Nope, i have a NEC E700 CRT monitor and an ATI X800
[12:10] <imme> thanks cpk2.
[12:10] <Lubix> Pierre: i cannot find that package
[12:10] <c0ldfusi0n> It detects the monitor fine in xorg.conf, it's there - but for some reason X won't start and tells me no screens found
[12:10] <PulsatingPenguin> Hey, can anyone give any further insights into my "buffer i/o error on dm-1, logical block" error?
[12:10] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n that doesnt sound to special
[12:11] <c0ldfusi0n> Great, i hate to be special.
[12:11] <spdf> c0ldfusi0n, You've installed the fglrx drivers?
[12:11] <c0ldfusi0n> I didn't install anything, i boot on the CD and i get that error
[12:11] <ricanelite> can someone tell me how can I change my screen resolution in Gnome because I know for sure my monitor can display 1280x1024 because it is only reading 1024x768
[12:11] <c0ldfusi0n> I want to install! But i can't.
[12:11] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n can you change your driver to VESA and try to startx please
[12:11] <ricanelite> can someone please help me out?
[12:12] <PulsatingPenguin> ricanelite, edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[12:12] <PulsatingPenguin> it has a list of resoloutions inside
[12:12] <MetaMorfoziS> !resolution
[12:12] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:12] <ricanelite> where i do that
[12:12] <PulsatingPenguin> add the one you want
[12:12] <ZeN> I guess you are done with me spdf?
[12:12] <ricanelite> im new to linux
[12:12] <c0ldfusi0n> Let me reboot and try that, jbmigel, i'm pretty sure i've tried it. But i'll let you know in a few.
[12:12] <PulsatingPenguin> open text editor
[12:12] <spdf> ZeN, I can't really think of a way to get you going to be honest..
[12:12] <MetaMorfoziS> !resolution > ricanelite
[12:12] <PulsatingPenguin> no dont actually
[12:12] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n
[12:12] <c0ldfusi0n> Yes
[12:12] <spdf> ZeN, I can only find old world stuff on google
[12:13] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n also if you have an onboard video you might try using that till your installed?
[12:13] <PulsatingPenguin> ricanelite, opena terminal and type sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:13] <c0ldfusi0n> Well i think it should work.. i mean i get the Ubuntu "loading screen", i can access the console fine, it's just X that won't start because of that
[12:13] <ZeN> alright, thanks anyway.
[12:13] <Lubix> please help me!! i cant compile programs in C!!!!
[12:13] <Lubix> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:14] <jbmigel> Lubix sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:14] <Pierre> Lubix: don't be loud, it does hel.
[12:14] <x80> Gcc program.c.
[12:14] <x80> Lol.
[12:14] <c0ldfusi0n> Alright, i'll be right back after i try those things.
[12:14] <rag> Lubix: Pierre say you
[12:14] <ricanelite> is there a graphical setup??
[12:14] <x80> Testing wvdial now...
[12:14] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n good luck
[12:14] <Pierre> Lubix: you need a) build-essential and then the development package of the library you use, for example libxml-dev if you need libxml development files
[12:15] <PulsatingPenguin> ricanelite, no, not for changing the list of resoloutions
[12:15] <ricanelite> I remember someone telling me that there is a graphical one that I think runs in the terminal
[12:15] <cafuego> Either "if you can't figure it out, uou probasbly weren't meant to" or "libc6-dev"
[12:15] <Lubix> pierre: i cannot find build essenetials
[12:15] <PulsatingPenguin> you can go to desktop> Preferences > screen resoloution, but if the one you want is not there then edit the xorg.conf
[12:15] <ricanelite> alright i have the file open, how can i enter the resolutions?
[12:15] <PulsatingPenguin> find where it says "modes"
[12:15] <PulsatingPenguin> or "display modes"
[12:15] <cafuego> Lubix: 'build-essential' is what he said.
[12:15] <rag> Lubix: just build-essential
[12:16] <jbmigel> does the framebuffer run through X server? I would like dual CONSOLE monitors if its possible
[12:16] <cafuego> Creative spelling is not recommended.
[12:16] <ricanelite> Modes		"1024x768" "960x960"
[12:16] <Lubix> its not found
[12:16] <rag> Lubix: your reposotory...
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> ricanelite, yes
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> there
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> add the one you want
[12:16] <ricanelite> but there is about a couple of more lines that says that
[12:16] <cafuego> build-essential is in main
[12:16] <rag> somebody with benq joybook7000
[12:16] <leakd>  n8
[12:16] <ricanelite> do i enter the resolutions i want on each line?
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> yes add the one you want to all of them
[12:16] <rag> ?
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> yes
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> you do
[12:16] <PulsatingPenguin> on all the modes
[12:17] <Lubix> rag: what about it
[12:17] <PulsatingPenguin> they are all for different color depths
[12:17] <Lubix> rag: i have them all activated
[12:17] <sandy16> how can i make my mail command work in ubutnu? when i use it its saying no such command and when i tryto apt-get it its saying no such pacakage.
[12:17] <rbil> nicanelite, change to Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "960x960"  for the modelines that match default color depth you have chosen to use
[12:17] <sidny4> clear
[12:17] <cafuego> sandy16: it's in 'mailx' (you'll probably want postfix too.
[12:18] <rag> Lubix: projector? i need config projector with vga output
[12:18] <cafuego>  "960x960" ?
[12:18] <cafuego> Lubix: Check for typos. it's in there.
[12:18] <Lubix> rag: whats the repo that has it
[12:18] <rag> Lubix:
[12:18] <rag> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main
[12:18] <rag> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main
[12:18] <sidny4> why do I get Class or interface JAVA.util.Scanner not found in import. when I use gcj?
[12:19] <sandy16> cafuego, thanks alot dude
[12:19] <rag> Lubix: look this
[12:19] <cafuego> sandy16: np
[12:19] <PulsatingPenguin> can anyone help me with my error?  "Buffer I/O error on device dm-1, logical block xxxxx"?
[12:19] <rag> Lubix: after you must run apt-get update
[12:19] <jbmigel> PulsatingPenguin can you boot from cd and mount that drive?
[12:19] <rag> Lubix: and then aptitude install build-essential
[12:19] <Moosebuntu> .
[12:20] <ricanelite> Now the thing is when I'm typing in the resolution the others are moving into the other lines
[12:20] <ricanelite> is that okay?
[12:20] <PulsatingPenguin> jbmigel, I have no live CD but I could burn one
[12:20] <Moosebuntu> Help: I just formatted my drive using ext3, and I can't write to it.  Do I have to change permissions before I use it?  If so, how do I do this?
[12:20] <PulsatingPenguin> I suppose I could burn one, boot into it, and fsck the drive
[12:20] <rbil> ricanelite, yes, just wrapping
[12:20] <jbmigel> PulsatingPenguin unless you have another drive around with some linux on it
[12:20] <rag> Lubix: insert my lines above just on your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[12:21] <sandy16> cafuego, hey can you tell me whats this postfix configuration is?
[12:21] <PulsatingPenguin> no, unfortunately I dont
[12:21] <Lubix> does it matter if i have edgy running
[12:21] <dawz> hi guys
[12:21] <cafuego> sandy16: postfix is the smtp mail server; `mail' needs it to actually send mail out.
[12:21] <jbmigel> PulsatingPenguin ya then id make a boot disk
[12:21] <ricanelite> Now do i have to restart my computer when im done?
[12:22] <Spaceraverlinux> wierd... nautilus keeps dying on me
[12:22] <PulsatingPenguin> but it just started happening today, I have been running Dapper for a few months...I dont know what could have caused it
[12:22] <dawz> can someone help me with a little question : how can i remove programs from sessions window ?
[12:22] <rbil> Moosebuntu, check fstab and make sure that is setup properly now that you've changed format. And then sudo mount -a to reload fstab
[12:22] <Quash> I've getting a black screen of death with I hit the Live Desktop stage, loading Edgy 6.10 RC.  Can anyone help?  I've also just filed a bug report with more specific details.  But, I'd like to try to work through the bug some more to give the Ubuntu Bug team more details.
[12:22] <dawz> they seem to be stuck in the list
[12:22] <PulsatingPenguin> ricanelite, no just hit CNTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to restart X
[12:22] <jbmigel> PulsatingPenguin could be a smart error, or hardware failure who knows... mount the drive and it might go away
[12:22] <Moosebuntu> rbil> thank you so much!
[12:23] <Lubix> rag: are your sure there isnt another name for it
[12:23] <Nophiq> dawz: click on the arrow in the panel
[12:23] <Moosebuntu> rbil> bash: fstab: command not found
[12:23] <foo> Is there anyway to restart X via cli?
[12:23] <Nophiq> dawz: and follow the remove track
[12:23] <Riggzy> killall X?  :p
[12:23] <dawz> Nophiq: wich arrow ?
[12:23] <rag> Lubix: what name?
[12:23] <rbil> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:23] <Moosebuntu> ah! it's a file.  Thanks
[12:23] <Lubix> rag:build-essentials
[12:23] <PulsatingPenguin> jbmigel, ok, thanks.  I will try burning a liveCD and booting from that...then removing the option to mount my windows partition at boot, in case that is it, I will also fsck the drive :)
[12:24] <Lubix> rag: i cannot find it
[12:24] <rbil> Moosebuntu, first make a backup of fstab ....
[12:24] <Nophiq> dawz: where tou can choose the desktop, and where is the time
[12:24] <hejsa> I got a problem with my ati xorg driver, it looks like ive fucked it up. It has been working fine up till now, but i fucked after trying to optimize my xgl-beryl thingie. now i cant install the ati driver, im stuck with the mesa driver. fglrxinfo, modprobe fglrx and xorg.conf at http://pastebin.sekati.com/?id=fglrxinfoxorgconf@2f5bb-d5edf5b4-t . What do i do {
[12:24] <rntkr> foo: restarting gdm works, if you are using gnome
[12:24] <rbil> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.back
[12:24] <rag> Lubix: just we say you build-essential
[12:24] <Nophiq> dawz: you can find also some arrows
[12:24] <Moosebuntu> ok
[12:24] <Nophiq> dawz: I think so
[12:24] <Quash> Can anyone help with what I think me be a video driver issue with Edgy, which prevents the loading of the Live Desktop?
[12:24] <jbmigel> PulsatingPenguin you might want to add, mounting the drive and backin up your data in there somewhere
[12:24] <dawz> Nophiq: i can't remove a program. I can't click on remove or edit
[12:24] <rag> Lubix: put attention without 's'
[12:24] <Lubix> rag: there is  not a package  called build-essentials
[12:25] <rag> Lubix: lubix.....
[12:25] <Bird> Are their any free programs that will let me play game windows games on ubuntu ?
[12:25] <imme> cpk2: That was ot the thing I was looking for. Good HOWTO anyway.
[12:25] <rag> Lubix: build-essential without 's'
[12:25] <vorbote> Lubix: build-essentia.
[12:25] <Lubix> ok im sorry
[12:25] <vorbote> Lubix: build-essential, pardon me
[12:25] <PulsatingPenguin> jbmigel, ok, I will.  Thanks :)
[12:25] <Lubix> i found it
[12:25] <Spaceraverlinux> Bird, use wine
[12:25] <cpk2> imme: that wasnt what you needed?
[12:25] <rag> Lubix: please put more attentio
[12:25] <rag> n
[12:26] <Lubix> rag: do i hafta do anything after its installed or will gcc now work correctly
[12:26] <Nophiq> dawz: probably I don't understand what is the session windows, is the men start?
[12:26] <jbmigel> Lubix you write c code?
[12:26] <hejsa> Lubix, you can use apt-cache search if you are unsure of the name
[12:26] <Lubix> i still have the same problem
[12:26] <imme> cpk2: No, this is only for this side of the gateway, I want to acces the part on the other side of the gateway.
[12:26] <Lubix> jbmigel: i am tring
[12:26] <Lubix> trying
[12:26] <goose> how does one use a movie as a screensaver    with gnome-screensaver ?
[12:26] <dawz> Nophiq: System > Preferences > Sessions
[12:26] <dawz> Nophiq: gnome session management
[12:26] <rag> Lubix: you try compile
[12:27] <Moosebuntu> rbil> fstab doesn't contain the second hard drive that I just added.  Do I need to add it?
[12:27] <rag> Lubix: repeat make
[12:27] <cpk2> imme: you mean you want samba on wan & lan?
[12:27] <jbmigel> Lubix thats awesome man good luck! you will probably need to open a new command after build-essential install
[12:27] <rbil> yep
[12:27] <hejsa> Anyone who is able to and willing to help me with my ati driver problem ?
[12:27] <imme> cpk2: yep
[12:27] <hobbesmaster> i'm getting extremely poor video performance on my laptop, I'm trying to use the radeon open source driver on a thinkpad t41, (radeon 9000 mobile.... M9, R250) glxinfo output is here:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28016/  it seems that its using mesa3d?  is that right?
[12:27] <Nophiq> dawz: sorry i use KDE (I know that ubuntu use only gnome-session, but now I am in KDE)
[12:28] <cpk2> imme: I think you could just set up an apache server for that...?
[12:28] <dawz> Nophiq: ok, I understand you can't help me ;-)
[12:28] <hejsa> hobbesmaster, you con use the fglrx driver i think
[12:28] <imme> cpk2: but then I cannot acces the other computers inside the windows network right?
[12:28] <imme> cpk2: they can then only access me.
[12:28] <Spaceraverlinux> !seen Hobbsee
[12:28] <ubotu> I last saw Hobbsee (n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee) 7h 54m 32s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[12:28] <Lubix> rag: let me show you what my problem is
[12:28] <cpk2> true, but I am talking for the wan
[12:28] <imme> cpk2: I already got apache up and running, that's the first thing.
[12:29] <cpk2> for lan samba shouldnt be a problem
[12:29] <rag> Lubix: show me
[12:29] <Lubix> ok i got a pm open with you
[12:29] <Lubix> let me put it there > rag
[12:29] <rag> Lubix: ill try it
[12:29] <YoussefAssad> hello
[12:29] <Quash> Can I get any suggestions on a good video card to buy for Edgy, AIGXL/Beryl.  I can give you my system specs.
[12:29] <rag> Lubix: what?
[12:29] <YoussefAssad> can anyone recommend a nice (smallish and preferably unicode) font for a terminal?
[12:30] <Lubix> rag: error message in pm
[12:30] <hikenboot> please...is there noone who knows anything about the nvida-glx drivers...I am unable to get direct rendering: yes when logged in as any user thru gdm but can as root startx and direct rendering works...I added the user to the root user group but it still doesnt work...any ideas at all?
[12:30] <rag> Lubix: pm ? whats?
[12:30] <Moosebuntu> rbil> fstab doesn't contain the second hard drive that I just added.  Do I need to add it?
[12:30] <Jfrench> Does Cedega Still have its free 14 day trial? I want to try it after failing with wine. Trasngaming doesnt make it all to easy to find the free trial on their site.
[12:30] <YoussefAssad> 1/j #aterm
[12:30] <Lubix> rag:rivate message
[12:30] <hobbesmaster> hejsa: but I want to use the free one, from what I understand it works better with power management on this laptop
[12:30] <YoussefAssad> blah
[12:30] <Quash> I think my current video card won't be properly supported by Edgy.  It's an ATI 9200 SE.
[12:30] <rag> Lubix: ok
[12:30] <imme> cpk2: Well you see, it's like this, I'm behind a network that is a lousy ISP(comes with the renting of my room), when I plug into my wallsocket immediately I _can_ access the windows network(I believe), but when I connect through my gateway-router I cannot anymore.
[12:30] <TheLance> hey can someone tell me how to install a GDM screen?
[12:30] <TheLance> GDM theme*
[12:31] <rbil> Moosebuntu, yes you'll need to add it. you'll need to know the /dev/* it is and have a directory in your file system to mount it into
[12:31] <Lubix> rag: dev.c:1:20: error:  stdio.h: No such file or directory
[12:31] <Lubix> dev.c:3: error: ::main must return int
[12:31] <Lubix> dev.c: In function int main():
[12:31] <Lubix> dev.c:5: error: printf was not declared in this scope
[12:31] <jbmigel> hobbesmaster i find the free driver ati support more than adequate. are you sure it is on? ATI is your driver?
[12:31] <rag> Lubix: but , its better for you, type here because other users can help you
[12:31] <rbil> Moosebuntu to find out what /dev it is, you can do this ...  sudo fdisk -l   (that's an ell)
[12:31] <Lubix> rag: there it is
[12:31] <variant> compengi: in what way?
[12:32] <Lubix> rag: just a simple hello world type program
[12:32] <Moosebuntu> fdisk, on linux? wow
[12:32] <hejsa> hobbesmaster, they got a guide on ubuntuguide.org i think
[12:32] <rag> Lubix: on c?
[12:32] <Moosebuntu> rbil> thank you for your help
[12:32] <Lubix> rag:yeas
[12:32] <spdf> hikenboot, check your xorg.conf, does it have a Section "DRI" in there? Likely at the bottom..
[12:32] <rbil> Moosebuntu, create a mount point somewhere in your file system and then after you've got both figured out you can add drive to fstab
[12:32] <Jfrench> Does Cedega Still have its free 14 day trial? I want to try it after failing with wine. Trasngaming doesnt make it all to easy to find the free trial on their site.
[12:32] <variant> compengi: if you want greater than is in ubuntu repos you have to either find a custom debian/ubuntu deb or download hte installer from nvidia
[12:32] <Bird> I used sudo apt-get install wine     to install wine but how do I use it and locate it now?
[12:32] <rag> Lubix: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:32] <c0ldfusi0n> Alright jbmigel, that didn't work at all
[12:33] <fg32> what is xubuntu?
[12:33] <rag> Lubix: your problems are headers not found, i think it
[12:33] <hobbesmaster> jbmigel: yes, I'll paste in xorg.conf just to be sure (its something of a mess): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28017/
[12:33] <imme> cpk2: So it's not just about opening ports, now is it?
[12:33] <c0ldfusi0n> The onboard video did nothing at all, and changing ati driver for vesa didn't do anything either
[12:33] <Lubix> rag: where are the headers?
[12:33] <Comrade_S> fg32: ubuntu with the XFCE window manager
[12:33] <spdf> Bird, wine <Executable>, You'll probably want to run winecfg first (from the terminal)
[12:33] <rag> fg32, ubuntu with xfce desktop? for old machines :)
[12:33] <fg32> ok, so minimal desktop apps and such?
[12:33] <Comrade_S> yup
[12:33] <Vge> hi, how do i remove ubuntu desctop from my xubuntu installation?
[12:33] <seth_arch> hello
[12:34] <cpk2> imme: i dont think so
[12:34] <Lubix> rag: will i have the headers now
[12:34] <rag> Lubix: just run : aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:34] <rag> Lubix: ok compile again
[12:34] <variant> fg32: xfce is not _for_ old machines, it just happens to run very well on them as it is well programmed
[12:34] <imme> cpk2: thanks for your time anyway.
[12:34] <Lubix> g++ or gcc?
[12:34] <Moosebuntu> rgil> it is '/dev/hdb1'.  How do I create a mount point?  Sorry, I'm new at this. :(
[12:34] <seth_arch> If I install 6.10-rc sould I be able to update to 6.10 smouthly when it comes?
[12:34] <c0ldfusi0n> Alright anyone can tell me where to download Ubuntu DVDs and not that 700mb thing? Whatever's different might work...
[12:34] <variant> seth_arch: yes
[12:34] <Lubix> rag: still the same stuff
[12:34] <seth_arch> variant: Thanks you
[12:34] <seth_arch> lol no s
[12:34] <fg32> so like P2 and 128mb of ram...
[12:35] <variant> fg32: yeah
[12:35] <rbil> Moosebuntu, where do you want to see that new hard drive within your file system?
[12:35] <variant> fg32: it would run nice on that
[12:35] <fg32> dang, should have used that for my buddies laptop...
[12:35] <rag> fg32, variant, old machines
[12:35] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n if your going that route id get the server install disk... then add your gui later
[12:35] <Lubix> rag: the files where installed still wont compile
[12:35] <variant> fg32: just be sure to use the xfce4.4 beta, it is streets ahead of the older versiions
[12:35] <cpk2> imme: i have a feeling its because connecting to the wall socket you are on 192.168.1.xxx network then on router you change to the routers own network
[12:35] <c0ldfusi0n> jbmigel: they're all single-cds setups?
[12:35] <rbil> Moosebuntu, what format does it have? what size drive?
[12:35] <variant> rag: I use it on new machines too because it is so well written
[12:36] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n yes it is single cd but it doesnt install xorg
[12:36] <rag> variant, too
[12:36] <c0ldfusi0n> ok i can just apt-get install xorg; startx afterwards?
[12:36] <danielm> hmm, am i correct in assuming that installing ruby-gnome2 will allow me to run the sample programs on ruby-gnome2's website? because they don't. even hello world doesn't.
[12:36] <Moosebuntu> rbil> \home\adam somewhere I think
[12:36] <Lubix> rag: i really want to start learning C
[12:36] <danielm> i did see a problem with it a while ago in the archives
[12:36] <Bird> I just did wine cfg and it said it made it in /home/kyle/.wine how do I find it now I tried to find it by going to home folder and looking but couldnt find it
[12:36] <danielm> but alexandria runs fine
[12:36] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n yes ubuntu-desktop is the package... your sure you dont have some weird usb thing plugged into your keyboard/monitor maybe?
[12:36] <Moosebuntu> rbil> ext3... 160GB
[12:36] <rbil> Moosebuntu, what format is that drive?
[12:36] <Comrade_S> Bird: hit ctrl-h in your home folder
[12:37] <spdf> Bird, When a folder is preceeded by a . it hides it..
[12:37] <rbil> ok, hold on ...
[12:37] <Moosebuntu> rbil> ext3
[12:37] <Moosebuntu> :)
[12:37] <Comrade_S> Bird, ctrl-h shows all hidden files
[12:37] <c0ldfusi0n> Well as far as i can see, there's the power that's in the power, and the video adapter that's in my ATI card, nothing else in between
[12:37] <sidny4> how do I install sun's JVM?
[12:37] <rag> Lubix: ok look google --> and search just: "getting started C" or "getting started gcc"
[12:37] <fg32> uses automatix2
[12:37] <soundray> !java
[12:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:37] <rag> Lubix, sorry but i need resolve other problems for me
[12:37] <rag> Lubix: now
[12:38] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n it would be nice to know what is different about your hardware that xorg cant seem to recognize
[12:38] <Lubix> rag:  do you program in c?
[12:38] <rag> Lubix: sometimes
[12:38] <rbil> Moosebuntu in fstab add line:   /dev/hdb1     /home/adam/160GB           ext3       defaults  0 0
[12:38] <Moosebuntu> ok
[12:38] <imme> cpk2: Could be only the other way around, on the wall socket I connect to 145.116.x(most of the time 4).x and router is 192.168.1.x
[12:38] <rbil> Moosebuntu, in your home directory create new dir called: 160GB
[12:39] <Lubix> rag: do i hafta download libraries now or something?
[12:39] <fester420> hey is anyone runing 64bit ubuntu
[12:39] <rbil> Moosebuntu, after you've done those 2 things, do ...
[12:39] <Bird> Is it possible to use wine to install games from CDs like Diablo 2 or is their another program that you use for that?
[12:39] <soundray> fester420: yes
[12:39] <imme> cpk2: Should I then let my gateway-router give me 145.116.x.x addresses?
[12:39] <rbil> Moosebuntu: sudo mount -a
[12:39] <Moosebuntu> Is this tab delimited?
[12:39] <rag> Lubix, what is hafta?
[12:39] <Comrade_S> Bird: yes
[12:39] <Moosebuntu> ok
[12:39] <rbil> sure
[12:39] <cpk2> imme: 192.168.1 was just an arbitrary number
[12:39] <rbil> or spaces
[12:39] <fester420> soundray, i have a probem its only reading half of my processor speed
[12:39] <Lubix> rag: have to
[12:39] <Lubix> sorry
[12:39] <fester420> =S
[12:39] <c0ldfusi0n> Yeah i'd like it to work too... the only thing that i can see might be different is i'm trying to install the amd64 version... I boot on the CD, select install, it tries to load up X then gives me a text message asking me if i want to view the X log (twice) then reverts to console. If i edit the xorg.conf and replace ati with vesa then startx, it makes me computer reboot.
[12:39] <c0ldfusi0n> Is that of any help?
[12:40] <tim> Gaah, i cant install the fglrx ati driver thingie
[12:40] <rbil> Moosebuntu, if all goes as planned when you go to ~/150GB you'll be accessing your new drive
[12:40] <soundray> fester420: that's normal. If you throw a CPU-intensive task at it, it'll double.
[12:40] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n well it doesnt help but it sure sounds ugly :)
[12:40] <fester420> oh really
[12:40] <c0ldfusi0n> Yeah =/
[12:40] <imme> cpk2: yeah I already thought that, I'm just babbling the most specific I can, I'd really like for it to work...
[12:40] <rag> Lubix: say me how do you compile it
[12:40] <fester420> thats pretty cheezy
[12:40] <soundray> fester420: the program responsible for this behavior is called powernowd
[12:40] <fester420> can i remove it
[12:40] <Bird> How can I download codecs to play movie files like mp4s and other common ones?
[12:41] <Lubix> rag: gcc <filename>
[12:41] <Lubix> rag: do i need to add something more?
[12:41] <hejsa> Bird, look at ubuntuguide.org there is a guide for that
[12:41] <c0ldfusi0n> I also tried the "Safe graphics mode" Ubuntu offers at the startup screen, but it does the exact same thing
[12:41] <Comrade_S> !w32codecs > Bird
[12:41] <jbmigel> Lubix i think you would also need an output like gcc helloworld.c helloworld
[12:42] <Moosebuntu> rbil> I can get to the folder \home\adam\160GB, however I still can't write to the drive. :(
[12:42] <cafuego> Lubix: On Linux, of the file is called 'test.c', you can run 'make test' and the rest is automagic.
[12:42] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n have you tried other boot disks on that hardware? like is ubuntu the first one to fail?
[12:42] <Lubix> jbmigel: i get error messages that it cannot find the headers
[12:42] <rbil> Moosebuntu, is /home/adam your home directory?
[12:43] <imme> cpk2: do you think it has any change of succeeding if I let my gateway-router pass out 145.116.x.x addresses ?
[12:43] <rag> Lubix: do you install linux-headers?
[12:43] <Lubix> cafuego: i do not have test.c on my compuer
[12:43] <c0ldfusi0n> Well i've installed Windows successfully, and also Ubuntu before (dual boot), i've since removed Ubuntu (it was a while ago, must've been a different build) but i started using it at work today and i'd like to have it back...
[12:43] <rag> Lubix: and put me error again
[12:43] <Lubix> rag: yes i installed taht package you asked me to
[12:43] <cpk2> imme: i suppose it wont hurt to try =P
[12:43] <Moosebuntu> rbil> I believe so, yes.
[12:43] <jbmigel> Lubix what are you importing in your .c file?
[12:43] <Lubix> rag: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:43] <Moosebuntu> rbil> yes, it is
[12:43] <Lubix> rag:$ gcc dev.c
[12:43] <Lubix> dev.c:1:20: error:  stdio.h: No such file or directory
[12:43] <Lubix> dev.c: In function main:
[12:43] <Lubix> dev.c:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function printf
[12:43] <Lubix> dev.c:4: warning: return type of main is not int
[12:44] <Lubix> jbmigel: what do you mean?
[12:44] <c0ldfusi0n> Actually i might still have that old Ubuntu cd, brb
[12:44] <cafuego> Lubix: You're missing 'libc6-dev' or you're not importing correctly.
[12:44] <imme> cpk2: I'll try that tommorow then, it's really pas bed-time here. :D
[12:44] <rag> Lubix: do you developer sometime?
[12:44] <Lubix> rag: only in vstudio
[12:44] <phaedrus_> ello...
[12:45] <imme> cpk2: Again thanks for your help and time, you make me feel welcome in the world of ubuntu. ;)
[12:45] <Lubix> cafuego: where do i get the libraries?
[12:45] <phaedrus_> how do i change the permisiions on my usb disk so that users can write and read to it?
[12:45] <shira> Does the server install cd come with a partitioner or does it automatically wipe the drive?
[12:45] <phaedrus_> sudo chmod -R 0777 /dev/sdb2?
[12:45] <cafuego> Lubix: 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev'
[12:45] <jbmigel> Lubix can you look in /usr/include to make sure stdio.h is there?
[12:45] <rbil> Moosebuntu:   sudo chmod 777 /home/adam/160GB
[12:45] <cafuego> phaedrus_: NO!
[12:45] <rag> Lubix: your problem not is of gcc, but... your code
[12:45] <c0ldfusi0n> Ok well it seems like i don't have it anymore
[12:45] <phaedrus_> hehe  ok
[12:45] <Comrade_S> shira: I am pretty sure it does
[12:45] <docmur> good day all
[12:46] <rag> Lubix: your code, your types , your declarations...
[12:46] <c0ldfusi0n> Question therefore is: Should i try installing the current version, but for amd64 servers OR should i try to find a previous amd64 desktop version?
[12:46] <Moosebuntu> rbil> that worked!!
[12:46] <Lubix> rag: how is that
[12:46] <Moosebuntu> Thank you!!!!!
[12:46] <docmur> I need some help finding a forum post on ubuntulinux
[12:46] <sidny4> !java
[12:46] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  -  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:46] <fg32> has nayone tried getting ubuntu to install on a HP iPaq?
[12:46] <rag> Lubix: Lubix: your code
[12:46] <rbil> Moosebuntu, :-) all working now?
[12:46] <rag> Lubix: your code is in error
[12:46] <rag> Lubix: i dont know
[12:46] <Comrade_S> docmur: search the forums using their search box or use google
[12:46] <Moosebuntu> rbil> Is there a primer on adding drives like this?  Yes it works!!!  Much appreciated sir!
[12:46] <docmur> I tried
[12:46] <phaedrus_> how do i change the permisiions on my usb disk so that users can write and read to it?
[12:46] <rbil> Moosebuntu, memory :-)
[12:46] <Lubix> rag:#include < stdio.h>
[12:46] <Lubix> void main()
[12:46] <Lubix> {
[12:46] <Lubix>     printf("\nHello World\n");
[12:46] <Lubix> }
[12:46] <shira> Comrade_S: that's what i thought.. what's the easiest way of getting a LAMP setup on the desktop then?
[12:46] <docmur> just wondering if anyone has seen the post on how to speed up dapper
[12:46] <rbil> Moosebuntu, make notes
[12:47] <Moosebuntu> rbil> good deal, I'll do this!
[12:47] <Moosebuntu> thanks again!
[12:47] <rbil> no prob
[12:47] <rbil> bye, gotta run
[12:47] <Comrade_S> docmur : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[12:47] <Lubix> cafuego: what other libraries might i need
[12:47] <statters> I got a 80GB hard drive I formatted 20GB and installed  Ubuntu, I then installed qtparted to format remaining space into Fat but its not happening? I assumed I could format a new partition from desktop?
[12:47] <rag> Lubix: ok find / -name stdio.h
[12:47] <Comrade_S> docmur: dude, next time google, I just found htat out using google
[12:47] <c0ldfusi0n> jbmigel: Should i try installing the current version, but for amd64 servers OR should i try to find a previous amd64 desktop version?
[12:48] <soundray> docmur: do you mean http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189192 ?
[12:48] <docmur> what did you search
[12:48] <docmur> thanks
[12:48] <rag> Lubix: i am code c on ubuntu, i dont know if you must configure any something
[12:48] <jbmigel> c0ldfusi0n id use the current version for server. then add ubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <soundray> docmur 'ubuntu dapper speed'
[12:48] <c0ldfusi0n> ok
[12:48] <Lubix> where are the header files stored?
[12:48] <docmur> oh I search speeding up ubuntu
[12:49] <rag> Lubix: look ubuntuformus.org --> and search: gcc or how to gcc, language c
[12:49] <rag> Lubix: sorry, i cant help you more, because i must resolve critical problems for me
[12:49] <jbmigel> Lubix there is a very nice intro to C programming on the howstuffworks website.
[12:50] <Lubix> jbmigel: i know all this i just cannot figure out how to compile it
[12:50] <soundray> Lubix: have you installed the package build-essential ?
[12:50] <Alukurd> Anyone who has the "USB PnP sound device" ? anyway I have the same problems like those guys here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=265040&highlight=VSTA . But the fix that jackuess posted, dont get where I need to put it :/
[12:50] <Lubix> soundray: yes
[12:50] <jbmigel> Lubix can you pastebin your code
[12:50] <statters> Should I be able to to create a partition on remaining free space of my hard drive with qtparted?
[12:50] <soundray> Lubix: good, alway worth checkin ;)
[12:50] <Lubix> jbmigel: what do you mean?
[12:50] <jbmigel> !paste
[12:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:50] <Bird> What command would I use to install a game from a cd with wine?
[12:51] <sontek> Hey, i'm in VI in editmode and my arrow keys output letters.  Left=D, Down=B,Right=C, Up=A
[12:51] <sontek> what causes that?
[12:51] <ferret0567> Does putting the boot flag on the /boot partion of hdb (that would be hdb1), mess up Windows XP or its bootloader installed w/ ntfs, on the whole first HD, when it's ntfs partiton also has a boot flag?
[12:51] <soundray> statters: not necessarily. If you have four primary partitions already, it will refuse
[12:51] <statters> nope only got / and /swap
[12:51] <silox> is there any formatting tool to format my Sandisk m240 1 GB Mp3 player?
[12:51] <rambo3> sontek, press  i first ?
[12:51] <sontek> rambo3: Thats what edit mode is
[12:52] <soundray> statters: what are the device names?
[12:52] <Lubix> jbmigel: stdio.h is in my usr/include directory
[12:52] <statters> hda hda1
[12:52] <ferret0567> I will make sure it is 3 partitons on the second drive, 2 primary and 1 logical "container" partition
[12:53] <soundray> silox: if it works as a mass storage device, you can use mkdosfs
[12:53] <jbmigel> Lubix "gcc yourcode.c -o youexe"
[12:53] <jbmigel> Lubix note the -o for output
[12:53] <ferret0567> Will that work and can I reverse my boot flag change on the second HD?
[12:53] <soundray> statters: what are the device names of the partitions?
[12:53] <silox> sondray okay yes it does thx
[12:53] <ferret0567> I have been using Linux awhile but...I have never done dual-boot before...
[12:53] <soundray> silox: that's in package dosfstools btw
[12:53] <Lubix> jbmigel it will not compile
[12:54] <jbmigel> Lubix can you pastebin your code?
[12:54] <jbmigel> !paste > Lubix
[12:54] <silox> soundray i already have that package ^^
[12:54] <statters> partition 1 and swap partition /dev/hda and /dev/hda1
[12:54] <Lubix> jbmigel #include < stdio.h>
[12:54] <Lubix> void main()
[12:54] <Lubix> {
[12:54] <Lubix>     printf("\nHello World\n");
[12:54] <Lubix> }
[12:54] <ferret0567> And when I put GRUB in the mbr of the second HD (I must protect WIndblows), GRUB refuses to boot Ubuntu
[12:54] <silox> soundray how do i do this then :P
[12:54] <bkudria> i have a logitech mx610 (http://tinyurl.com/d5zbn) and everything works except the im button (but mail, strangely, does work, sending xf86mail to xev) and side scrolling...how do i make it work?
[12:54] <FunnyLookinHat> !offtopic
[12:54] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:54] <cafuego> Lubix: I note < stdio.h> and not <stdio.h> in your paste.
[12:54] <Flannel> ferret0567: why not just put grub on the first hd?
[12:55] <soundray> statters: /dev/hda is not a partition device name. It's the name of the block device (whole disk)
[12:55] <psycode> Q: how can find out which process is using a resource? this case it's a cdrom i can't unmount probly' since some process is viewing its contents.
[12:55] <Lubix> jbmigel: it says stdio.h not found
[12:55] <ferret0567> Because I do not want to go through the hassle of fixing the mbr of XP
[12:55] <soundray> statters: you probably have to create an extended partition
[12:55] <bkudria> psycode: lsof
[12:55] <statters> soundray: sry I have /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2
[12:55] <bkudria> psycode: for list open files
[12:55] <Flannel> ferret0567: I don't understand.  You don't need to fix the mbr unless you remove grub later
[12:56] <Lubix> cafuego: you fix the first problem i got 2 more still though
[12:56] <statters> can I format an extended partition Fat?
[12:56] <phaedrus_> how do i change the permisiions on my usb disk so that users can write and read to it not just root?
[12:56] <cafuego> Lubix: Creative spelling is your enemy. That space between < and s shouldn't be there.
[12:56] <psycode> bkudria, any useful flags for this task?
[12:56] <Lubix> cafuego: i know you did it
[12:56] <Lubix> cafuego: #include < stdio.h>
[12:56] <Lubix> void main()
[12:56] <Lubix> {
[12:56] <Lubix>     printf("\nHello World\n");
[12:56] <Lubix> }
[12:57] <cafuego> Lubix: Your *actual* error is ' stdio.h: No such file or directory'
[12:57] <soundray> silox: you can find out for yourself with 'man mkdosfs'. Most of the time, 'sudo mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda1' is appropriate. But make sure you know what you're doing -- don't just blindly take it from me.
[12:57] <ferret0567> I bet I will...GRUB would not boot Ubuntu on a computer with no Windows on a err...reinstall of Ubuntu
[12:57] <psycode> Lubix, ahhhhhhh main should return an int!
[12:57] <bkudria> psycode: i don't think so, i always do |grep <device>
[12:57] <soundray> statters: no, the extended partition has no filesystem of its own. It's a container for logical partitions.
[12:57] <cafuego> psycode: No, he has a space where he shouldn't have one.
[12:57] <jbmigel> Lubix can you change < stdio.h> to <stdio.g>
[12:57] <jbmigel> Lubix can you change < stdio.h> to <stdio.h> lol
[12:57] <psycode> cafuego, still...
[12:57] <Flannel> ferret0567: grub can boot windows and ubuntu fine.
[12:58] <cafuego> psycode: Yeah, bad, but not an error ;-)
[12:58] <psycode> cafuego, well i'm not sure about c, i just know its not valid cpp :P
[12:58] <Lubix> i get this error: #include < stdio.h>
[12:58] <Lubix> void main()
[12:58] <Lubix> {
[12:58] <Lubix>     printf("\nHello World\n");
[12:58] <Lubix> }
[12:58] <silox> soundray cant find sda1 :/
[12:58] <cafuego> psycode: gcc doesn't mind it
[12:58] <Lubix> dev.c:4: warning: return type of main is not int
[12:58] <cafuego> Lubix: STOP APSTING
[12:58] <jbmigel> Lubix can you change < stdio.h> to <stdio.h>  and it will work geez
[12:58] <psycode> hehe!
[12:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Lubix, Please stop pasting that over and over again.
[12:58] <FunnyLookinHat> !pastebin
[12:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:58] <soundray> silox: didn't I ask you *not* to copy my code?
[12:59] <ferret0567> But it failed with an error and refused to boot Ubuntu Linux two times on that Windows XP computer (never had Linux on it before) and once on mine (had Windows, erased it)
[12:59] <psycode> Lubix, change void main to int main, and return 0;
[12:59] <cafuego> Lubix: Warnings are not errors and can (usually) be safely ignored.
[12:59] <jbmigel> psycode that is only a warning
[12:59] <soundray> silox: this could have wrecked your system
[12:59] <bkudria> i have a logitech mx610 (http://tinyurl.com/d5zbn) and everything works except the im button (but mail, strangely, does work, sending xf86mail to xev) and side scrolling...how do i make it work?
[12:59] <xplic1t> Lubix:  #include <stdio.h> int main(){ printf("Hello World!\n"); return 0; }
[12:59] <silox> soundray i dont have a usb disk so i bearly think so :)
[12:59] <psycode> jbmigel, why do you all take side with the devil? >:)
[12:59] <silox> soundray should i whrite /media/sandisk then?
[12:59] <LjL> xplic1t: "return EXIT_SUCCESS;" even ;-P
[12:59] <cafuego> psycode: I resent that
[01:00] <noldon> hi i need help
[01:00] <jbmigel> psycode heh, just trying to make it easy, if he makes it int he also has to return something
[01:00] <xplic1t> hehe
[01:00] <soundray> silox: sooner or later you're going to accidentally format your root partition if you're so careless.
[01:00] <cafuego> xplic1t: They he's need <stdlib.h> too
[01:00] <cafuego> and prolly <unistd.h> for good measure.
[01:00] <noldon> i just installed winxp and it removed my MGR
[01:00] <ferret0567> I want to know if I make the boot flag change I can reverse it later with no consequences
[01:00] <noldon> so lilo dont come up
[01:00] <Flannel> !grub | noldon
[01:00] <ubotu> noldon: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:01] <noldon> ok
[01:01] <soundray> silox: no, find out the proper device name by entering 'mount' and reading the output (find the line that contains '/media/sandisk' and take the device name from that)
[01:01] <Lubix> jbmiguel: it compiles but where does the output actually end up
[01:01] <snoopy_linux_> bye
[01:02] <noldon> ubotu thanx
[01:02] <LjL> cafuego: why not     find /usr/include/ -printf "#include <%f>\n"   then :P
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <jbmigel> Lubix what did you call the output file/
[01:02] <Lubix> i get helloworld but it is incased in tons of junk characters that cant open in gedit
[01:02] <ferret0567> How can I reinstall GRUB on the second HD either in the MBR or with a boot flag, a partition?
[01:02] <cafuego> LjL: Just <*.h> will do
[01:02] <psycode> ahhh i can't eject my cdrom :(  -- is "lsof | grep cdrom" supposed to find the source of the problem?
[01:02] <LjL> cafuego: ah, CPP globs? didn't even know
[01:02] <cafuego> LjL: But unbistd and stdlib you can't really ignore if you need the code to be portable eh
[01:02] <cafuego> LjL: Nah, just mocking you ;-)
[01:03] <danielm> nm, turns out either the author kinda lied or the version in sources is old.
[01:03] <jbmigel> Lubix wow man you really need to goto howstuffworks and go through the tutorial... this isnt a c classroom http://computer.howstuffworks.com/c.htm
[01:03] <cafuego> Lubix: it's an execitable, not a test file.
[01:03] <ferret0567> I heard in Ubuntu reinstalling the MBR is not a pleaserable experience
[01:03] <soundray> psycode: look if /dev/cdrom is a soft link to a real device and grep for that instead
[01:03] <Lubix> cafuego: looks like i have a debug report
[01:03] <Lubix> oh i get it!
[01:03] <LjL> cafuego: well, stdlib i agree, but unistd isn't ANSI i believe :P
[01:03] <Lubix> i am so sorry
[01:03] <idanimrod>  btw, did dapper had so much problems when it was released like the numbers of messages posted about edgy troubles? i can't remember that
[01:03] <Lubix> shoot me
[01:03] <cafuego> Lubix: ./helloworld
[01:04] <Flannel> ferret0567: You must have heard wrong, it's pretty painless, installing either grub, or WBL
[01:04] <Lubix> you people must have me
[01:04] <Lubix> hate
[01:04] <psycode> soundray, i'm trying that, thx
[01:04] <cafuego> LjL: it's not?
[01:04] <LjL> cafuego: i could be wrong... isn't it a POSIX include?
[01:04] <Lynoure> nevermind, I found it.
[01:05] <cafuego> LjL: looks like it is, yes
[01:05] <ferret0567> Well...I hope one of you people can direct me to a guide that tells you how to reinstall GRUB on the second HD
[01:05] <LjL> cafuego: well then it actually *impairs* portability in principle ;-)
[01:06] <ferret0567> What is the recommended size for the /boot partition anyway?
[01:06] <LjL> ferret0567: "man grub-install"
[01:06] <jbmigel> 100mb is good
[01:06] <cafuego> LjL: it facilitates migration to Linux, you mean? ;-)
[01:06] <deedubb__> Hello. I have a question. I have auth.0 and auth.1.gz, and normally I would assume those come from logrotate.d but I can't find where it's configured to do those files. I want to know because I need to add another file
[01:06] <Comrade_S> ferret0567, try this :    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811
[01:06] <ferret0567> Thanks
[01:06] <Lubix> thank you all for your help
[01:06] <Comrade_S> ferret0567, or this :: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=223614
[01:07] <jbmigel> good luck Lubix!
[01:07] <Lubix> sorry for being so dense
[01:07] <LjL> cafuego: that might be, but if you write a program that isn't *using* any of the POSIX functions, but only standard ANSI functions (like his hello world program), then including a non-ANSI header file will gratuitously make compilation fail on non-POSIX systems :)
[01:07] <jbmigel> Lubix its ok things are different here compared to vstudio
[01:07] <cafuego> LjL: it facilitates migration to Linux, you mean? ;-)
[01:07] <Lubix> yes i want to learn it because i want to no whats going on behind the scenes you
[01:08] <jbmigel> Lubix C is a hard one to start with... you might look at python first
[01:08] <LjL> cafuego: not really, if just facilitates saying "bah, stupid program, i'll download something else. possibly just something proprietary and pirated that i won't have to compile" :-P
[01:08] <LjL> cafuego: but, mind you, i *do* read the comp.lang.c newsgroup. that can probably explain a thing or two
[01:09] <ferret0567> Hmm...I don't want to make the /boot partition too big or small...64 MB should do it for quite a few (atleast 6 kernel upgrades) right?
[01:09] <cafuego> LjL: Nah, surely *BSD users won't react like that <heh>
[01:09] <The> how do yo connect to news groups?
[01:09] <jbmigel> ferret0567 whats an extra couple megabytes? I bet you have a GB of swap you barely use
[01:09] <LjL> cafuego: no, but they'll react badly at the fact that you seem to be implying their OS isn't POSIX-compiant :P
[01:10] <deedubb__> anyone know which service does auth.0 by default?
[01:10] <Lubix> jbmigel: i almost got the python book but ended up with "Programming in C"
[01:10] <cafuego> ferret0567: Unless you're using lvm or md or dm or somesuch, just don't bother with /boot.
[01:10] <cafuego> LjL: That's where you're compassionate and I'm a troll ;-)
[01:10] <jbmigel> Lubix well you will be better off when your done that book, it will just take you a little longer to get going
[01:10] <LjL> Lubix: if the book you got tells you to type that "void main()" thing, then it's trash :P
[01:11] <hydoskee> Hi, I have a hardware raid set up, and ubuntu is seeing it as two drives - what should I be running fdisk on?
[01:11] <ferret0567> I have a 120 GB of HD space but...see the BIOS can only see a certain amount of the HD and I am using JFS for / and /home
[01:11] <The> I am new to Ubuntu.  What program do you use to connect to news groups?
[01:11] <statters> in disk manager its asking for access path clicking help says no document found ? what is the access path and for a fat 32 drive used for storage where should I place it?
[01:11] <cafuego> ferret0567: Linux will happily ignore the bios anyway.
[01:11] <Lubix> LjL; i havent gotten into the book yet i was just trying to set up the gcc
[01:11] <LjL> The, i use Kontact, under my KDE. i suppose it'll be either Evolution or Thunderbird on your Gnome
[01:11] <ferret0567> But this has to be GRUB compatible
[01:12] <LjL> Lubix: alright. have you installed the "build-essential" package? you should get that to compile, rather than just gcc
[01:12] <cafuego> ferret0567: Yes, no need fo a separate /boot - really :-)
[01:12] <sureshot> hey all i am trying to pick out a linux distro .. what is the difference between fedora and ubuntu
[01:12] <ferret0567> Even for JFS in GRUB?
[01:12] <cafuego> ferret0567: On normal desktops I usually have / and swap or /, /home and swap.
[01:13] <LjL> sureshot: ubuntu is a debian derivative, fedora is not. ubuntu uses the APT packaging system, fedora uses RPM. ubuntu is a linux distribution, and fedora is a different one.
[01:13] <soundray> sureshot: with the current stable Ubuntu, you get 3 years support promise.
[01:13] <ferret0567> Well...I use it...
[01:13] <Will> how can i change the deault load OS for GRUB?
[01:13] <cafuego> it has a jfs_stage1_5 file, so i guess it ought to
[01:13] <LjL> Will: sure, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:14] <Will> i know
[01:14] <Will> but what do i edit :&
[01:14] <Will> *:(
[01:14] <deedubb__> Can someone please help me here..... which daemon creates auth.log.0 by default? It is not logrotate
[01:14] <sureshot> so one does not give you anything more than the other except the support promise of coruse
[01:14] <Will> !GRUB
[01:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:14] <LjL> Will: oh, i missed the "how".  type "gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst", and find the line that says "default X", and choose the right X.
[01:14] <Will> kk thanks
[01:14] <LjL> Will: the number is the one that operating systems are listed in
[01:14] <soundray> Will: there is a line called "default" fairly far up.
[01:15] <julian> Im trying to enter full screen mode in Vmware server. i receive an error saying that i couldnt find config file
[01:15] <cafuego> deedubb__: here is sure is logrotate
[01:15] <Will> ok
[01:15] <Will> it says 0 :S
[01:15] <LjL> Will: also look at the comments above that "default" line. perhaps you might like to use the "saved" feature.
[01:15] <AtticStorm> In Gnome has anyone been seeing lines in their buttons that clear when one puts the mouse pointer on them?
[01:15] <deedubb__> cafuego: I can't find where in /etc/logrotate.conf or logrotate.d where this is set
[01:15] <LjL> Will: sure, that means the default OS to boot is the first one -- i.e. probably Ubuntu
[01:15] <Will> whats the saved feature?
[01:15] <ferret0567> And on my computer with JFS and /boot my partitons are like this: Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[01:15] <ferret0567> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2431 cylinders
[01:15] <ferret0567> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[01:15] <ferret0567>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:15] <ferret0567> /dev/hda1               1          19      152586   83  Linux
[01:15] <ferret0567> /dev/hda2              20        2431    19374390   83  Linux
[01:15] <ferret0567> Disk /dev/hdb: 10.2 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>2 bytes
[01:15] <ferret0567> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1245 cylinders
[01:16] <phaedrus_> how do i change the permisiions on my usb disk so that users can write and read to it?
[01:16] <ferret0567> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[01:16] <ferret0567>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:16] <ferret0567> /dev/hdb1               1          16      128488+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[01:16] <holzmodem> hi im using the Network Manager for my wifi connection, now i search for a deb package for the openvpn >> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3297
[01:16] <ferret0567> /dev/hdb2              17        1245     9871942+  83  Linux
[01:16] <LjL> Will: if you're looking into booting Windows by default, then that will *possibly* be number 2 (0 being ubuntu, 1 being ubuntu in recovery mode, 2 being windows). this doesn't have to be the case though
[01:16] <ferret0567> I will stop flooding the channnel
[01:16] <LjL> !paste | ferret0567
[01:16] <ubotu> ferret0567: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:16] <deedubb__> cafuego: do you have entries I do not?
[01:16] <Will> how i work out what number xp is then?
[01:16] <soundray> Will: 0 is the first entry. Find out the correct number from the list that you get when you type 'grep ^title /boot/grub/menu.lst | nl -v 0'
[01:16] <LjL> Will, look at your boot menu. 0 is the first menu entry, etc.
[01:17] <cafuego> deedubb__: no mention of it, yet it is rorated by logrotate here. probabnly a 'default'.
[01:17] <LjL> Will: the "saved" feature is explained in the comment. basically it starts the OS that was run last, by default
[01:17] <iamtheobject> excuse me, Would anyone know if an SPF record would fix a bogus helo ?
[01:17] <AlexFicelle> Will: My advice is this: move the "Windows" entry to the top and set "default" to 0 (should already be that way). It's much easier than counting your Ubuntu entries, which may be changing after updates...
[01:17] <deedubb__> cafuego that'd be crazy to have a default like that
[01:17] <cafuego> deedubb__: Nevertheless
[01:18] <deedubb__> and if you do logrotate -dv /etc/logrotate.conf 2>&1 | grep -i auth you'd think it'd show up
[01:18] <Will> how do i change it to the top then?
[01:18] <ferret0567> /dev/hda1 is ext3 /boor and hda2 isJFS /
[01:18] <LjL> sureshot: that's not true. Ubuntu gives you things that Fedora does not, and viceversa. they're just different. there are programs that Ubuntu has packaged and Fedora has not, and vice versa. you might find that some features are better integrated in Ubuntu or Fedora. the only thing i can say is that *i think* that Fedora is a bit more on the bleeding-edge, and thus on the unstable. i'm not really even sure.
[01:19] <Will> do i have to do that inside the menu?
[01:19] <deedubb__> cafuego: how are you so sure it's done by logrotate cafuego?
[01:19] <soundray> LjL: too bad, he just left
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about tinyhoneypot
[01:19] <cafuego> deedubb__: Coz I also have an auth.log.1.gz and auth.log.2.gz etc :-)
[01:20] <LjL> Will, no. look at the menu: if Ubuntu is the first entry (i.e. 0), and Ubuntu recovery is the second (i.e. 1), and Windows XP is the third (i.e. 2), you'll have to make that line of /boot/grub/menu.lst say "default 2", to boot XP by default
[01:20] <AlexFicelle> Will: No, do that once Ubuntu is started.
[01:20] <iamtheobject> yes, it will fix it
[01:20] <cafuego> deedubb__: and they're all tiemstamped at the time when cron.daily runs.
[01:20] <iamtheobject> thanks iamtheobject
[01:20] <deedubb__> cafuego: thats not a good enough answer, I have those files too
[01:20] <LjL> Will: if instead you prefer to have Grub remember the last choice, type "default saved" on that line, and read the comment.
[01:20] <nes> hell yeah a room for the is progy ccol
[01:20] <AsheD> is there a commandline way to count the number of folders in a dir?
[01:20] <Will> ok
[01:20] <soundray> AsheD: ls | wc
[01:20] <AlexFicelle> Will: Press Alt-F2 (this opens the run command dialog) and type gksudo "gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[01:20] <deedubb__> cafuego: you're wrong
[01:21] <Will> i know :)
[01:21] <deedubb__> its a cron job called sysklogd
[01:21] <AlexFicelle> Will: OK, now:
[01:21] <soundray> AsheD: oops, you said folders. 'find . -maxdepth 1 -type d | wc'
[01:21] <catu> !?
[01:21] <AlexFicelle> Will: Find the Windows entry. It has several lines: title, root, savedefault, makeactive and chainloader
[01:21] <cafuego> deedubb__: Same naming scheme, same diff.
[01:21] <Will> yes
[01:21] <AlexFicelle> Will: (at least in my install)
[01:21] <catu> que mierda es esta
[01:22] <catu> XD
[01:22] <LjL> !es
[01:22] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:22] <AlexFicelle> Will: Cut those lines.
[01:22] <Will> yesh
[01:22] <catu> whatever
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know much about tinyhoneypot
[01:22] <deedubb__> cafuego: no, not same diff
[01:22] <AlexFicelle> Will: Search for this phrase: ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[01:22] <soundray> spanglesontoast: why don't you just ask your real question.
[01:22] <cafuego> deedubb__: See which files `sysklogd' processes?
[01:22] <LjL> !info tinyhoneypot
[01:22] <ubotu> tinyhoneypot: Small honeypot to trap attackers. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.4.6-8 (dapper), package size 43 kB, installed size 296 kB
[01:22] <deedubb__> yes
[01:22] <catu> damn i feel so nebwie
[01:22] <nes> ] hey you guys know is there a compatible wine version for the ppc macs i have the4 ppc untunbu but i cant get the win apps to run on it  thourgh anything even nwine
[01:22] <AlexFicelle> Will: And paste the lines we cut earlier just above that ### line
[01:22] <catu> *newbie
[01:22] <catu> XD
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> well how do I get thpot to work locally so I can actually see if it works?
[01:23] <deedubb__> but sysklogd cronjob != logrotate
[01:23] <deedubb__> anyway, I'm glad it got figured out
[01:23] <Will> ok i think ive done it correct
[01:23] <AlexFicelle> Will: This should make it the first entry, which is 0.
[01:23] <cafuego> deedubb__: As far as I can tell it ONLY processes /var/log/syslog (The output of `syslogd-listfiles`.
[01:24] <nes> i love the gui in the progy
[01:24] <catu> ...
[01:24] <cafuego> deedubb__: and changes ownership and perms of auth.log, but does NOT archive it.
[01:24] <AlexFicelle> Will: You should have a line that says "default 0". This means you want this first entry to be started up by default.
[01:24] <nes> i just wanna run three apps thats it
[01:24] <Will> yeah im restarting :~)
[01:24] <AlexFicelle> Will: Exactly: save and restart.
[01:25] <Will> :)
[01:25] <Will> whoo
[01:25] <RememberPOL> Friefox 2.0 is out. :)
[01:25] <AlexFicelle> Will: working? :-)
[01:25] <Will> works :)
[01:25] <nes> why does ppc macs make so hard to run win apps
[01:25] <cafuego> nes: becasue ppc != x86
[01:25] <Will> thnxs :)
[01:26] <AlexFicelle> Will: you can move your entries around, but try not to mess between the ### lines.
[01:26] <deedubb__> cafuego: syslogd-listfiles --auth run it, understand what the for loop does now?
[01:26] <Will> kk
[01:26] <calisee> anyone running beryl? when i start it in gnome-session-properties on boot it causes my titlebars to disappear, then i can right click the icon in the try, hit refresh window manager.. beryl will show its splash image and everything will go back to normal
[01:26] <AlexFicelle> Will: unless you know precisely what you're doing.
[01:26] <Will> lol i dont :P
[01:26] <cafuego> deedubb__: Do you see the code in the for loop and what it does?
[01:26] <nes> i wana bye dual core macs but no money right now
[01:26] <cafuego> deedubb__: it runs 1) chown and 2) chmod.
[01:26] <soundray> nes: wine is a very ambitious project, even on the type of CPU that Windows itself is written for. Porting it to another architecture must be incredibly difficult.
[01:26] <jarn> Is there a way to force a game to open in a window rather than fullscreen?
[01:27] <julian> running beryl, i dont understand the prob
[01:27] <cafuego> deedubb__: I appreceiate it has another loop thatc alls 'savelog', but as far as I can see that noly runs against /var/log/syslog.
[01:27] <soundray> jarn: I think you can achieve that with xnest
[01:27] <nes> help anyone
[01:27] <nes> please?
[01:28] <calisee> jarn, when you just log into X, does the beryl splash screen show and stuff?
[01:29] <jarn> calisee: I don't use beryl.
[01:29] <ferret0567> I can boot from XFS though I discovered but only if GRUB is installed to an MBR...well...ok second HD GRUB again
[01:29] <calisee> sorry wrong nick completion
[01:29] <soundray> nes: wash my dishes and iron my shirts for three years, and I'll give you a slightly used one.
[01:30] <The> I've got Evolution mail now setup.  How do I join a newsgroup?
[01:30] <calisee> julian, when you log into X does the beryl splash screen show?
[01:30] <ferret0567> Does Macromedia Flash Player work under XGL with Compiz/Beryl?
[01:30] <ferret0567> In Firefox?
[01:30] <cafuego> ferret0567: sure
[01:30] <goofey> is it ok to upgrade ubuntu-minimal?
[01:30] <jarn> soundray: How does xnest work?
[01:30] <soundray> The: is evolution a newsreader? That would be news to me...
[01:31] <cafuego> soundray: used to be, but isn't anymore.
[01:31] <cafuego> The: use 'Pan'.
[01:31] <LjL> soundray: he asked a couple of time where he could find a newsreader -- since nobody replied, i told him that i believed it could be either evolution or thunderbird conceivably. i use KDE
[01:31] <The> I don't know.  I am new to Ubuntu and want to join a newsgroup regarding Wine.
[01:31] <ferret0567> Good because with AIGLX it does not on a Intel i810e Integrated Graphics, 512MB of RAM and a nice slow 800mhz processor
[01:32] <cafuego> ferret0567: Note, it may not run _well_. But I see no reason for it to not run at all.
[01:32] <soundray> jarn: I looked at it years ago, but it wasn't the solution for me, so I can't tell you... Anyway, xserver-xephyr replaces it and is recommended now.
[01:32] <soundray> !xserver-xephyr
[01:32] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr: Nested X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.6.1-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 438 kB, installed size 944 kB
[01:32] <NEMO4> ./server irc.relaxnet.org
[01:32] <NEMO4> ./server irc.relaxnet.org
[01:32] <NEMO4> ./server irc.relaxnet.org
[01:32] <LjL> !ops
[01:32] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[01:32] <NEMO4> ./server irc.relaxnet.org
[01:32] <LoRez> Warning: `NEMO4' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued.
[01:32] <NEMO4> ./server irc.relaxnet.org
[01:32] <goofey> my ubuntu server install says ubuntu-minimal is being kept back from upgrading - any idea why?
[01:32] <NEMO4> ./server irc.relaxnet.org
[01:32] <cafuego> NEMO4: Please stop spamming.
[01:32] <soundray> jarn: the principle is this: you start an X server that runs in a window inside your current Xorg session
[01:33] <The> cafuego: Can I use Synaptic package manger?
[01:33] <cafuego> The: yup
[01:33] <rag> how to install half life with opengl support
[01:33] <ferret0567> Well...with AIGLX Flash Player does not work at all on that computer I just described to you, crashes Firefox
[01:33] <ferret0567> I have tested it
[01:33] <rag> how to install half life with opengl support or wine with opengl support
[01:33] <cafuego> goofey: it probably depends on a package that needs to be added. Use 'dist-upgrade'.
[01:33] <rag> please!
[01:33] <goofey> cafuego: i will - thanks!
[01:33] <Comrade_S> NEMO4 : just take the period form before the slash
[01:33] <|thunder> sup all
[01:34] <|thunder> who knows how to format a usb flash drive ?
[01:34] <cafuego> Comrade_S: it was a spambot, not a newbie ;-)
[01:34] <Comrade_S> ah,kk
[01:34] <goofey> cafuego: that was it - thanks!
[01:34] <Hilmar> Hello there, Im relative new to this, but Im trying to set up a Ubuntu server to work as a internet router and as a fileserver for our small network, I am reading the docs on the net, but Im wondering about a few small things. I just installed a program named Shorewall to help me configure my firewall. Anyone here who can help me out a bit?
[01:34] <soundray> The: is reading the newsgroups online an option? Last I posted netnews, I used Google.
[01:35] <soundray> |thunder, I do
[01:35] <LjL> Hilmar: not me, i've never configured a firewall on ubuntu. i'll just mention that the other popular alternative is Firestarter, you might want to check that one out as well
[01:35] <|thunder> Hilmar; im glad you chose ubuntu, but ive never setup a system like that
[01:35] <|thunder> soundray; please, do tell.
[01:36] <Hilmar> I dont have X on it so
[01:36] <soundray> |thunder: is it mounted right now?
[01:36] <sidny4> Hilmar, go ahead and ask any questions, I've never set one up but someone who has might be able to help
[01:36] <|thunder> soundray; yes
[01:36] <ferret0567> What is the recommended swap partition size?
[01:36] <Hilmar> I have to use a comandline version, my problem is that after I do apt-get sharewall, I get a msg that I have to configure it before I start it, how do I do that
[01:36] <LjL> ferret0567: make it more than your phisical RAM
[01:37] <ferret0567> 2x, 2.5x, or 3x? I have 512mb
[01:37] <holzmodem> hi im searching for an openVPN plugin for the Network Manager is there one avaiable?
[01:37] <soundray> |thunder: what's the name it shows as on the desktop?
[01:37] <jarn> soundray: I get what it is, but I can't find out how to use it.
[01:37] <|thunder> Hilmar; have you tried 'man sharewall' ?
[01:37] <|thunder> soundray; 'USB DISK'
[01:37] <cafuego> ferret0567: used to bve 2x for performance reasons, but that oddity got fixed in 2.4.6 somewhere :-)
[01:37] <LjL> ferret0567: i'd make it one gig
[01:37] <soundray> jarn: sorry, I can't help you other than by pointing to /usr/share/doc/xserver-xephyr
[01:38] <cafuego> ferret0567: these days it doesn't much matter, just 'enough to run what you want to'.
[01:38] <matthew_w> Will sudo apt-get dist upgrade get me to the edgy RC now?
[01:38] <Hilmar> thunder: I figured it was a system config it had to be done, so I assumed it didnt have anything to do with the program itself
[01:38] <ferret0567> So hibernate would work on that right?
[01:38] <LjL> matthew_w: no.
[01:38] <matthew_w> LjL, bleg.
[01:38] <Hilmar> Thunder: Tho, I may be wrong
[01:38] <soundray> |thunder: do a 'mount | grep USB.DISK' (note the dot). The line that you get should contain something like /dev/sda1, correct?
[01:38] <sidny4> Hilmar, it is more than likely that the configuration is for the program
[01:38] <LjL> matthew_w: apt-get dist-upgrade simply upgrades your packages to the latest versions, while employing some "smart" conflict resolution algorithms. that's all it does.
[01:38] <ferret0567> As long as swap used plus RAM used = < swap partition size?
[01:39] <Hilmar> Ok, I try it out, hang on
[01:39] <LjL> ferret0567: i think it's enough that your swap partition is bigger than your RAM for hibernation to work
[01:39] <|thunder> soundray; /dev/sdb1
[01:39] <ferret0567> Ah, 1.2GB I'll use it's alright
[01:39] <matthew_w> LjL; so I would have to wait until the 26 for that to work?
[01:40] <LjL> matthew_w: it will not work on 26th either. again, apt-get dist-upgrade, despite the "dist" in the name, doesn't have much to do with upgrading to a newer distribution.
[01:40] <matthew_w> LjL; change all instances in /etc/apt/sources.list of Dapper to Edgy and do it, eh?
[01:40] <soundray> |thunder: good. Do you want a Linux filesystem on it, or do you have to share that device with other OSs?
[01:40] <foo> how can I test the up/down speeds on a server via CLI?
[01:40] <LjL> matthew_w: yes. but it's probably better to use update-manager or whatever it's called
[01:40] <|thunder> soundray; fat16
[01:40] <matthew_w> LjL, update-manager?
[01:40] <rag> how to install half life with opengl support or wine with opengl support?
[01:41] <soundray> |thunder: you want to stick with that?
[01:41] <|thunder> soundray; its a friends, so yes. its a 1GB drive.
[01:41] <LjL> matthew_w: "update-manager -c -d" to upgrade to unstable distributions (i.e. edgy at the moment)
[01:42] <julian> when does edgy come out
[01:42] <LjL> !schedule | julian
[01:42] <ubotu> julian: Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[01:42] <soundray> |thunder: I'd always recommend FAT32 for a gigabyte stick, but it's up to you. In any case, you need the package dosfstools.
[01:42] <Shadowthrone> How can I change the order procedures/programs are executed when logging in to Ubuntu?
[01:42] <matthew_w> LjL would I still have to uh... change the instances is sources.list?
[01:42] <LjL> matthew_w: no
[01:42] <julian> thank u
[01:42] <matthew_w> LjL; roger.
[01:42] <matthew_w> LjL; the stuff it downloads, will it clear it all out when it's done?
[01:43] <|thunder> thanks soundray , ill get it figured out
[01:43] <LjL> matthew_w: i don't think so. you can do that manually with "apt-get clean"
[01:43] <soundray> Shadowthrone: that would not be recommended... is there no other way to solve your problem?
[01:43] <soundray> |thunder: mkdosfs is the command.
[01:43] <LjL> matthew_w: perhaps it could be better if you just waited 'til 26th, though.
[01:43] <matthew_w> LjL; are you making an inference as to my mad abilites?  lol.
[01:43] <Shadowthrone> soundray: All I want to do is switch the order in which gaim and Eterm load up.
[01:44] <Zambezi> There is a command so you get systeminformation. dmseg or something. Anybody knows what it is?
[01:44] <jrib> Zambezi: dmesg?
[01:44] <LjL> matthew_w: no... it's just that edgy is to be considered unstable until release. basically, you should only use it if you're hunting for bugs, or if you don't care about your system and just want to check it out, or if dapper breaks on your hardware and you know edgy doesn't. since it's 2 days to release, i don't think any of these could apply...
[01:45] <lupine_85> things are still broken :)
[01:45] <soundray> Shadowthrone: have you configured those from System-Preferences-Sessions-Startup Programs ?
[01:45] <Zambezi> jrib, Thanks!
[01:45] <|thunder> soundray; thanks again
[01:45] <Shadowthrone> soundray: Aye.
[01:45] <matthew_w> LjL; what is the worst that could possibly happen, it's 2 days away, and besides, the worst it would do is make things not work until the 26th when it actually IS stable and I could just update again, n'est ce pas?
[01:45] <soundray> Shadowthrone: what order do you want?
[01:46] <LjL> matthew_w: non, ce n'est pas. it could break your system and you'd have to either sort it out manually, if you manage to find out how, or reinstall from scratch.
[01:46] <Shadowthrone> soundray: The obvious thing to do is delete one and re-add it, but I would have thought there was a more elegant way.
[01:46] <Shadowthrone> sounday: Eterm then gaim.
[01:46] <Shadowthrone> soundray: Eterm then gaim.
[01:46] <TubaSoldier> how would i go about "installing" the kernel source after compiling it from source myself? do i simply place the source in the /usr/src folder?
[01:46] <LjL> !kernel > TubaSoldier
[01:46] <TubaSoldier> thanks
[01:47] <soundray> Shadowthrone: I don't think there is a more elegant way.
[01:47] <jvai> ooi ppl
[01:47] <Shadowthrone> soundray: Okay, not to worry. Thanks for your time.
[01:47] <matthew_w> LjL; the likelihood that something so fundamental as to shatter my system would change over the course of 2 days?
[01:47] <soundray> Shadowthrone: if it changes the order by itself, you could start gaim from within an eterm.
[01:47] <Shadowthrone> soundray: Is it possible to automate that?
[01:48] <Shadowthrone> soundray: Or are we in "scripting" territory?
[01:48] <mike_eyb> I need serious help
[01:48] <LjL> matthew_w: low, i would hope, since i'm running edgy. *but* the developers should (and do) feel free to tweak things freely, knowing that they won't break users' machines (well, only the ones of the users who decided to help testing). just keep this in mind.
[01:49] <greenman> okay, so I'm pretty certain I'm ready to install, can any of you think of commonly forgotten things to backup?  I got htdocs, a dump of the sql, all of /etc, my personal folder, and a backup of my wifes computer, and a backup of my old computer....
[01:49] <soundray> Shadowthrone: no, not scripting, just commandlining. Something like 'eterm -e gaim' should work
[01:49] <mike_eyb> I installed Ubuntu yesturday and i'm so freaking lost right now
[01:49] <matthew_w> LjL; one final question, running update-manager again on Thursday will bring it to stable, yes?
[01:49] <Shadowthrone> soundray: Awesome, I'll have a go with that. Thanks.
[01:49] <jrib> mike_eyb: system > help > system documentation   should explain the basics
[01:50] <mike_eyb> i've been there
[01:50] <jrib> mike_eyb: what do you want to know more about?
[01:50] <LjL> matthew: no. it might even try installing Feisty Fawn (that is, Edgy+1), though i doubt it. after you have Edgy installed, it'll be brought to stable by the automatic updater -- or by you manually, by running "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" (or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade for that matter)
[01:50] <mike_eyb> from wjat i gather i need to edit the xconfig file but to say what?
[01:50] <Hilmar> Tho, is there anyone else who can advice a tool for configuring my firewall, something not requiring X, and not that complicated
[01:50] <matthew_w> LjL; ok, good, I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't need to redo everything etc.
[01:50] <matthew_w> LjL; thanks.
[01:50] <jrib> mike_eyb: what are you trying to do?
[01:50] <lupine_85> Hilmar: iptables ;)
[01:51] <LjL> Hilmar, i do think shorewall is your best bet.
[01:51] <mike_eyb> run dual heads but not in clone mode
[01:51] <jrib> ubotu: tell mike_eyb about xinerama
[01:51] <Hilmar> I look very complicated
[01:51] <Hilmar> the .conf file looks very complicated
[01:51] <Hilmar> I=It
[01:52] <mike_eyb> i have heard about ximerama but don't know what it is. Is it a program that i have to install
[01:52] <sidny4> Hilmar http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm
[01:52] <phasegen> what is the best cd ripper to install on xubuntu?  I'm trying it on my laptop.
[01:52] <jrib> mike_eyb: ubotu should have sent you a private message containing information about it
[01:52] <Hilmar> Thanx, will take a look
[01:52] <soundray> mike_eyb: it's more like a mode to run the X window system in
[01:52] <everamzah> is the centrino duo an smp processor?
[01:52] <mike_eyb> but how do i enable the mode
[01:53] <soundray> phasegen: I like abcde
[01:53] <soundray> !abcde
[01:53] <ubotu> abcde: A Better CD Encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (dapper), package size 98 kB, installed size 276 kB
[01:53] <IRC_> i installed w32codecs but i cant play launch videos with pklaunch. what else do i need to play videos?
[01:53] <cafuego> everamzah: no
[01:53] <soundray> mike_eyb: by following the instructions you got from ubotu
[01:53] <Hilmar> Shorewall uses iptables right?
[01:53] <cafuego> everamzah: it might be multi-core though.
[01:53] <Hilmar> it just configures them>?
[01:54] <jrib> mike_eyb: the page ubotu sent you to tells you
[01:54] <cafuego> everamzah: (In which case you'll want an SMP kernel)
[01:54] <everamzah> cafuego: thanks. im trying to compile a kernel on my new laptop, and having probs...
[01:54] <phasegen> I'll give it a try...    Thanks Folks!
[01:54] <IRC_> i installed w32codecs but i cant play launch videos with pklaunch. what else do i need to play videos?
[01:54] <Sefyroth> How do I configure stuff like resolution and sound drivers and stuff like that with Fluxbox^
[01:54] <mike_eyb> I'm running an ati card and i copied the xorg.conf file for the ATI card in to mine and restarted my machine and both monitor are working however that are cloning each other
[01:55] <greenman> okay, so I'm pretty certain I'm ready to install, can any of you think of commonly forgotten things to backup? I got htdocs, a dump of the sql, all of /etc, my personal folder, and a backup of my wifes computer, and a backup of my old computer....
[01:55] <soundray> mike_eyb: look at your chat client. There should be a private message from ubotu. Read and follow that.
[01:56] <mike_eyb> tx
[01:57] <soundray> greenman: I usually save /var/cache/apt/archives to save having to re-download
[01:57] <greenman> soundray: oh, this isn't ubuntu, i'm switching distros :)
[01:58] <eddieduce> I've installed pan but get handshake failed errors.  what gives?
[01:58] <soundray> greenman: any spools, mail, print, fax?
[01:58] <IRC_> i installed w32codecs but i cant play launch videos with pklaunch. what else do i need to play videos?
[01:58] <hikenboot> hello all I think i have found a solution to my nvidia problems...problem is it says to edit a file to fix the problem but it failts to say which one http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL/Troubleshooting its in the section "plain-Jane X serve"  can anyone tell me what file its talking about?
[01:58] <greenman> soundray: nope.  thanks.
[02:00] <nekohayo> hey there, does anyone have archives of the old ubuntu artworks (GDM themes for example) of the previous releases? Or know a place where they are archived? Any way to get those nowadays?
[02:00] <Flannel> hikenboot: have you tried the ubuntu specific XGL instructions?
[02:00] <jvai> is dapper able to work w/ the linksys wifi 54g card?
[02:01] <cafuego> jvai: Maybe. You'll have to give us specific model (and chipset) info.
[02:01] <SpudDogg> Does anyone know why when I try to use Terminal Server Client in fullscreen mode, I get a LONG list of errors?
[02:01] <sidny4> jvai, might have to use ndiswrapper but it should
[02:01] <hikenboot> Flannel got a link?
[02:01] <Flannel> hikenboot: #ubuntu-xgl and I believe it's in the topic
[02:01] <Flannel> !xgl
[02:01] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:01] <Flannel> that too
[02:02] <soundray> SpudDogg: no, sorry... but were you able to fix your madwifi prob?
[02:02] <fibs> DOES UBUNTU SUPPORT MY GEFORCE 7950 THANKX
[02:02] <hikenboot> thanks will try
[02:02] <lupine_85> YES
[02:02] <SpudDogg> soundray, yes, i got that one fixed
[02:02] <lupine_85> !nvidia
[02:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:02] <jvai> snnaap. a friend has the card...i gave her a breezy cd install/live to play with
[02:02] <LjL> whatthe
[02:02] <LjL> !ops
[02:02] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[02:03] <ajmitch> LjL: yes?
[02:03] <fibs> Hi, I have a USRobotics 33.6 Win95.. what is the status of this in Ubuntu, will it function?
[02:03] <soundray> fibs: how is it connected?
[02:03] <LjL> ajmitch: err, look at the joins in the last minute
[02:03] <fibs> Internal ISA
[02:04] <ajmitch> LjL: do you mean the netsplit?
[02:04] <preaction> LjL, it's called a netsplit
[02:04] <jvai> yea, that was alot of ppl
[02:04] <LjL> oh it was a netsplit... somehow i missed the parts
[02:04] <LjL> sorry
[02:04] <fibs> LjL: wow whats going on
[02:04] <LjL> !netsplit
[02:04] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:04] <fibs> Are We in a netsplit
[02:04] <jvai> oo
[02:05] <soundray> fibs: are you sure it's a winmodem?
[02:05] <preaction> fibs, no, that's what all those joins were
[02:05] <LjL> no, it should be up now
[02:05] <fibs> soundray: i think so im in windows right now
[02:05] <fibs> my brother in law told me it was
[02:05] <fibs> hes a linux guy
[02:05] <RogerBacon> hey, i have a ipod 5g.  (Aside from restoring it from backup) I would like to keep the stuff in my home directory.
[02:08] <soundray> fibs: to be sure, you might have to look at the card itself and find a chipset identifier. Then you can check http://www.linmodems.org/ . I think for a fairly old model like that, the Lucent driver is most likely to work.
[02:08] <Flannel> wikijeff: is /home on it's own partition?
[02:08] <LjL> wikijeff: use the Alternate CD, and tell it to not format the partition.
[02:08] <SpudDogg> soundray, hey man, do you think you can help me with another problem?
[02:08] <wikijeff> Flannel, no it isn't. Ljl, what' the alternate CD?
[02:08] <LjL> !alternate
[02:08] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[02:09] <Y0da^> does anyone know if there's 3d acceleration support for an ati agp 345m card?
[02:09] <Flannel> wikijeff: you should think about putting /home on it's own partition, then you can reinstall 'around' your home partition
[02:09] <SpudDogg> !pastebin
[02:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:09] <soundray> SpudDogg: I will certainly try. So will all the *real* experts on this channel
[02:09] <sidny4> personally, I prefer the alternate CD, the desktop cd seems buggy
[02:09] <LjL> wikijeff: what i've done sometimes was to 1) boot the install CD 2) go to a console 3) remove everything from the partition, except /home, using the console 4) tell the installer not to format the partition 5) install
[02:09] <LjL> a backup would still be preferred though. now i keep /home in a separate partition
[02:10] <greenman> i got a laugh out of this:
[02:10] <greenman> i'm a little n00bie short and stout, here is my nickname here is my SHOUT!!!1 when i get all flamed up hear me SHOUT!!1 ban me forever, kick me out
[02:10] <wikijeff> Ok, it sounds like I should just put /home on a separate partition, I assume this would be best for updating to edgy as well. When installing using the Live CD will it be clear to me how to do this?
[02:10] <SpudDogg> soundray, experts:  I keep getting this error every time I install something via Synaptic or Add/Remove Programs.  Any ideas?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28037/
[02:11] <Dr_willis> wikijeff,  it pays to pay attention. :P
[02:11] <LjL> wikijeff: yes, but *you'll have to backup the current /home first!* you can't just make a new partition and have /home magically move there
[02:11] <Dr_willis> you will have to tell it what partition should be mounted as /home
[02:11] <Dr_willis> and IVE had issues with gnome/kde configs   when upgrading and keeping /home
[02:11] <soundray> SpudDogg: run 'sudo apt-get -f install' and pastebin the full output
[02:11] <wikijeff> Ljl, ok. I already backed up what I want to save from /home
[02:12] <wikijeff> Should I just wait a week until Edgy is released and then do a clean install?
[02:12] <phasegen> ubotu,  soundray,   you were absolutely correct.  abcde works just like I wanted.  Thank You.
[02:12] <LjL> wikijeff: you should most probably wait until it's released, yes. whether it's clean install or upgrade, that's really up to you
[02:12] <wickedpuppy> why ya talking to the bot phasegen ??
[02:13] <LjL> phasegen, ubotu is a bot
[02:13] <SpudDogg> soundray, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28038/
[02:13] <everamzah> that's not to say he doesnt have emotions haha
[02:13] <soundray> why not, wickedpuppy? Bot's been helpful ;)
[02:13] <phasegen> then whoever wrote him, I owe a thanks to.
[02:13] <wickedpuppy> ah bot just does what it has been instructed ... saying thanks to the bot's writer would make more sense
[02:14] <Y0da^> So.... does anyone know if there's 3d acceleration support for an ati agp 345m card?
[02:14] <LjL> !ati | Y0da^
[02:14] <ubotu> Y0da^: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:14] <wikijeff> Flannel, Ljl, Dr_willis, thanks guys
[02:15] <phasegen> maybe I'll get thanked for any good my son does.  I get blamed for his screw-ups
[02:15] <Y0da^> okay... that doesn't apply to this card.
[02:15] <Y0da^> the ATI (fglrx) driver isn't for the 345m
[02:16] <YBH_1> firefox 2.0 http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/linux-i686/en-US/
[02:17] <soundray> SpudDogg: this is a slightly brutal approach, but I think it'll work: 'sudo dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/redhat-cluster-suite*.deb ; sudo apt-get -f install'
[02:18] <Y0da^> So.... does anyone know if there's 3d acceleration support for an ati agp 345m card?
[02:18] <SpudDogg> soundray, i really do not want to have to format...are you sure this isn't going to screw anything up?
[02:19] <soundray> SpudDogg: no. LjL, do you have an opinion about this?
[02:19] <Random_Transit> hey, is it normal for amarok to be eating up over 100MB of my RAM>?
[02:19] <Hydra> hi
[02:19] <Hydra> how can i find which package provides a given file?
[02:19] <soundray> Random_Transit: hey, it's a modern application ;)
[02:19] <Hydra> e.g. mount.cifs
[02:19] <Y0da^> does anyone know if there's a mIRC for linux
[02:20] <LjL> soundray: what happened? is that RPM packages installed through alien and breaking stuff?
[02:20] <Flannel> Hydra: packages.ubuntu.com has a search
[02:20] <RogerBacon> hey, i have a 55GO (from gigabeat S) HDD, and i put it into my ipod to view the system file and system file but i have several error code from mount and fdisk ...
[02:20] <soundray> LjL: no, I think it's a circular dependency between ubuntu proper packages
[02:20] <Flannel> Y0da^: there isn't.  xChat is comparable
[02:20] <Hydra> Flannel, can you not use the package manager / apt-something ?
[02:20] <Krux0> is there anyway i can download all the packages i have installed on my system so that i may be able to tar the archive dir in /var and bring it over to a pc that is not networked
[02:20] <Flannel> Hydra: The problem is that information isn't available to the package manager until after the install
[02:21] <LjL> soundray: hmm, then if it's really a circular dep, i'd try "dpkg --force-depends -i package1" and "dpkg --force-depends -i package2", and then see if apt-get is happy with that
[02:21] <Hydra> weird
[02:21] <Hydra> i know with other package manages you can ask "--what-provides=<filename>"
[02:21] <LjL> soundray: in other words, install them all by hands, and see if then APT realizes "oh, the dependencies *are* satisfied after all!"
[02:21] <Hydra> odd then, smbfs provides mount.cifs
[02:21] <Hydra> which i installed
[02:21] <Hydra> maybe a reboot is required?
[02:21] <soundray> Hydra: mount.cifs is in smbfs. 'sudo apt-get -f install apt-file ; sudo apt-file update ; apt-file search mount.cifs'
[02:22] <Hydra> what does apt-file update do ?
[02:22] <Flannel> Hydra: reboots aren't required except for kernel updates
[02:22] <Parisi> Hmm.
[02:22] <soundray> SpudDogg: did you follow this? I'd try my suggestion first, then LjL's if that fails.
[02:22] <Parisi> Anyone using Eft + Beryl?
[02:22] <LjL> Hydra: it creates/updates the apt-file database, which contains filename-to-package correspondences
[02:22] <Random_Transit> Flannel, not entirely true
[02:22] <Random_Transit> i just had to do one because i updated a bunch of MIME Settings
[02:22] <Hydra> ok, after vista has installed i'll try booting back into linux and check that out
[02:23] <SpudDogg> soundray, no i have not done anything yet...everything works fine, i just get the error.  do you think i should even play with it?
[02:23] <Flannel> Random_Transit: er, you shouldn't have.  Maybe restarting gnome
[02:23] <Random_Transit> Flannel...i'm using XFCE
[02:23] <Flannel> Random_Transit: whatever, restarting [your WM]
[02:24] <LjL> soundray, oh, well that's really just about the same thing i was saying. though perhaps "redhat-cluster-suite*.deb" is not enough, and you'd have to have to add "clvm" and other dependencies as well... or for that matter, "sudo dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/*" ;-) perhaps this one *
[02:24] <soundray> SpudDogg: to be honest, forcing an install despite of a buggy dependency is not *that* risky. It will still remove cleanly, if it still doesn't work.
[02:24] <LjL> is* too brutal though
[02:24] <LjL> soundray, are the packages in /var/cache/apt or /var/cache/apt/archives anyway? i thought the latter
[02:24] <SpudDogg> soundray, ok, so you want me to try your suggestion first?
[02:25] <soundray> SpudDogg: no, LjL just found a bug...
[02:25] <soundray> SpudDogg: this is a slightly brutal approach, but I think it'll work: 'sudo dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-suite*.deb ; sudo apt-get -f install'
[02:25] <ferret0567> How do I reconfigure xserver-xorg after install?
[02:25] <soundray> SpudDogg: something else before you start...
[02:25] <LjL> pray :P
[02:26] <soundray> SpudDogg: make sure there is only one package that matches /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-suite*.deb
[02:26] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, actually the command is on top of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[02:26] <SpudDogg> soundray, how do i check that?
[02:26] <LjL> SpudDogg: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-suite*.deb
[02:26] <soundray> SpudDogg: with ls ;)
[02:26] <iammisc>  I have an HP_Officejet d145. This printer is shared via ipp. The cups on the remote computer DOES NOT AND NEVER WILL accept raw connections. The gnome-cups-add wizard does not allow me to select a normal postscript driver but use the hp officejet d145 ppd file. How do i get this to work?
[02:26] <ferret0567> What does that mean?
[02:27] <sidny4> ferret0567 sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:27] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, that means read that file ?
[02:27] <ferret0567> Oh, edit it...
[02:27] <wickedpuppy> or just use the command given by sidny4
[02:27] <wickedpuppy> no read ... not edit
[02:27] <LjL> ( soundray: if [ `ls /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-suite*.deb | wc -l` == 1 ] ; then echo "YES, there is only one\!"; else echo "No, sorry..."; fi )
[02:27] <SpudDogg> LjL, soundray, the only output is /var/cache/apt/archives/redhat-cluster-suite_1.20060222-0ubuntu6_all.deb
[02:27] <LjL> SpudDogg: alright, then go ahead
[02:28] <soundray> SpudDogg: all right, go ahead then ;)
[02:28] <ferret0567> Have you tested this method sidny4?
[02:28] <sidny4> yup
[02:28] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, do this less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:28] <wickedpuppy> you will see the line given by sidny4
[02:29] <ferret0567> Cause I have a NVIDIA Geforce 4 MX 440 with AGP 8x and a Dell 2005FPW monitor (widescreen 1680x1050@60Hz res)
[02:29] <SpudDogg> LjL, soundray, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28040/
[02:30] <ferret0567> And that is annoying with the monitor I am sure and just 2 quick changes with NVIDIA
[02:30] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, i am using nvidia gforce 5500.. never have problem for 5 years of using linux
[02:31] <ferret0567> The video card is easy the monitor not so easy
[02:31] <ferret0567> I have never used NVIDIA on Linux before
[02:31] <soundray> SpudDogg: do you actually have LVM partitions?
[02:31] <SpudDogg> soundray, what is LVM?
[02:31] <wickedpuppy> ah widescreen ... i am using normal 19 inch lcd ... nvidia on linux is pretty good i can tell ya .. i never had bad experience with it before
[02:32] <SpudDogg> soundray, i partitioned with the winblows installer
[02:32] <soundray> SpudDogg: logical volume manager. If you have to ask, you don't have any.
[02:32] <ferret0567> Widescreen will be annoying...
[02:32] <ferret0567> Any tips for this monitor would help...
[02:32] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, call dell ?
[02:33] <soundray> SpudDogg: You don't need clvm. Do a 'sudo apt-get --purge remove clvm'
[02:33] <sidny4> ferret0567, have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[02:33] <ferret0567> Ok....but I will have to admit I am using Linux on thier hardware as the machine is a Dell Dimension 4600
[02:33] <ferret0567> No
[02:33] <LjL> soundray: it's depended on by redhat-cluster-suite however
[02:34] <SpudDogg> soundray, same error at the end
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, why not install nvidia first then ?????????????????
[02:34] <sidny4> ok, you'll want to install them
[02:34] <sidny4> !nvidia
[02:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:34] <ferret0567> Just installing with xserver-xorg set to use default 1024x768 and lower screen reses...with the alternative install cd...
[02:34] <CTho> on boot, I have no networking with http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/596 under VMware Player.
[02:34] <Bagoor> I have two ext3 partition, which the data of first one is important, but the second one is free. Is there any way to merge them, and make them one partition ?
[02:34] <sidny4> and it should be in the universal repositories
[02:35] <SpudDogg> soundray, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28042/
[02:35] <ferret0567> I will want to install the NVIDIA drivers first before I configure the monitor further
[02:35] <soundray> LjL: this is getting difficult -- it won't uninstall before it's configured.
[02:35] <kholerabbi> I am using dapper livecd on a asus laptop. The touchpad works to move around and click, but it wont scroll or drag. Is there anything I could do to make these work or customize the pad at all?
[02:35] <sidny4> ferret0567, yes, you will want to install the driver
[02:35] <ScrnNme34> hello, how come "sudo make install" wont work from terminal?
[02:36] <LjL> soundray: --force-configure-any, in dpkg: "Configure also any unpacked but unconfigured packages on which the current package depends."
[02:36] <Flannel> ScrnNme34: what error does it give you?
[02:36] <sidny4> ScrnNme34, you'll probably need build-essential
[02:36] <ScrnNme34> bash:  unknown cmnd Make
[02:36] <LjL> soundray: not *really* sure what that means... what i was looking for was a "pretend package was configured" option, not sure it's the one
[02:36] <ScrnNme34> oooooooooh Yeah.   OK  search for "build-essential" in Synaptic. got it
[02:37] <ferret0567> I know...no 3D acceleration...no support in "nv" driver for resolutions larger than 1024x768 I think too...
[02:37] <ScrnNme34> thanks sidny
[02:37] <sidny4> no prob
[02:37] <sidny4> what are you talking about ferret0567?
[02:37] <soundray> I don't think that's the one, LjL
[02:38] <ferret0567> In the "nv" default NVIDIA open-source driver before installing the propriatory one you referenced those are the limitations
[02:39] <soundray> SpudDogg: we'll have to force a successful run of the post-installation script
[02:39] <LjL> soundray: i dunno. want an even worse suggestion?  echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nexit 0" >/etc/init.d/clvm ; chmod +x /etc/init.d/clvm
[02:39] <SpudDogg> soundray, hey man, baby steps...
[02:39] <Bagoor> how can I see the size of a folder ?
[02:40] <LjL> Bagoor: du
[02:40] <soundray> SpudDogg: the post-installation script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/clvm.postinst. Open it with gksudo gedit (or your favorite editor)
[02:40] <ferret0567> The limitations of the NVIDIA open-source driver are these: no 3d acceleration for sure and no support for resolutions larger than 1024x768 I think
[02:40] <SpudDogg> soundray, what exactly am i looking for in the file?
[02:41] <Siph0n> which is easier/possible, 1) installing ubuntu over a network? or 2) installing ubuntu from a portable usb hard drive?
[02:41] <sidny4> ferret0567, where are you getting this?
[02:41] <LjL> ferret0567: not true. i think there is some 3D acceleration, though much less than in the binary driver, and it can most definitely support high resolutions
[02:41] <pike_> ah flash 9 beta works well :)
[02:41] <soundray> SpudDogg: a point before it does anything serious. At that point, you insert the line 'exit 0'. Then you do another 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[02:41] <LjL> !install > Siph0n
[02:41] <ferret0567> Good thing to be corrected
[02:41] <unipac> hello all
[02:41] <ferret0567> From my own head
[02:41] <SpudDogg> soundray, lol.  you want to see the file and tell me where to put that?
[02:42] <Siph0n> thanx Ljl! :)
[02:42] <sidny4> ic ic, is that a viable source? :P
[02:42] <ferret0567> If other people know more than clarify me
[02:42] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, you mean you been saying whatever comes to your head?
[02:42] <unipac> help me, how do I change my password of root?
[02:42] <soundray> SpudDogg: no, put it as the second line, after the #!/bin... stuff
[02:42] <ferret0567> No, that was out of my memory
[02:42] <LjL> !root > unipac
[02:42] <CTho> unipac: sudo passwd ?
[02:42] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, thats fine but pls don't scare us here ...
[02:42] <unipac> CTho, how try man
[02:42] <LjL> wickedpuppy: you should be more scared by the binary driver, since it's exploitable ;-)
[02:42] <eck0> hi all
[02:43] <eck0> anyone used cedega?
[02:43] <sidny4> I agree with wickedpuppy :D
[02:43] <sidny4> eck0, sure do
[02:43] <eck0> do you use eve-online
[02:43] <unipac> CTho, nothing..
[02:43] <sidny4> nope
[02:43] <LjL> unipac, please read what the bot told you
[02:43] <ruuu> tengo una pregunta , no puedo iniciar sesion ni con mi particion de linux ni con la de windows porke me salio un problema del grub erro 15 , quiero saber como puedo formatear SOLO la particion de win2
[02:43] <unipac> LjL, Where
[02:43] <LjL> !es
[02:43] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:43] <sidny4> !es
[02:43] <LjL> !root | unipac
[02:43] <ubotu> unipac: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:43] <sidny4> man, my kb stinks
[02:44] <unipac> ubotu, I knew
[02:44] <SpudDogg> soundray, success!  i think... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28044/
[02:44] <LjL> unipac: then why are you asking about changing you root password?
[02:44] <ferret0567> Huh, with the alternative install CD with XFS on /, swap ,JFS on /home, then logical container containing FAT32 it suggests I install LILO
[02:44] <sidny4> I love how people think ubotu is someone
[02:45] <ferret0567> uboto is a robot
[02:45] <sidny4> indubitably
[02:45] <soundray> SpudDogg: yes, well, clvm still won't work, but since you don't need it, it won't really matter...
[02:45] <soundray> SpudDogg: what are you setting up a cluster for?
[02:45] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, really .. have you been using linux for a long time ?
[02:45] <LjL> ubotu, are you a robot?
[02:46] <SpudDogg> soundray, im not setting up any clusters.  that error started when i installed some package i cant remember.  thank you for the help man!
[02:46] <eck0> anyone play eve-online thru cedega
[02:46] <ferret0567> I knew that when it responded to me very quickly. Repremending me of stuff that *should* have gone to the paste bin
[02:46] <unipac> LjL, thanks
[02:46] <ferret0567> I have been wickedpuppy
[02:47] <pike_> eck0: might try /j cedega
[02:47] <ferret0567> 1.2 years atleast
[02:47] <eck0> i got it but when eve opens it says windows 2000 sp2 required
[02:47] <eck0> but its supposto emu
[02:47] <soundray> SpudDogg: you're welcome. Remember, this was a bit of a quick and dirty solution. Consider removing all three of the problematic packages.
[02:47] <LjL> eck0, if you run "winecfg", you can set Wine to behave as a specific version of windows. try telling it it's Windows XP
[02:47] <sidny4> eck0, have you switched it to play under windows 2k or windows xp?
[02:47] <ferret0567> Hmm...should I use LILO?
[02:48] <SpudDogg> soundray, well, i'll wait until i have a problem to uninstall anyhting else.  if it aint broke...
[02:48] <SpudDogg> soundray, but thanks again man.  brb
[02:48] <eck0> how would i do that
[02:48] <wickedpuppy> ferret0567, if so ... lilo or grub .. either one should be familiar for you
[02:48] <Tini2> Hello guys.
[02:48] <soundray> SpudDogg: technically, it *is* broken... anyway, glad I could help a bit...
[02:48] <LjL> eck0, type "winecfg" in a console.
[02:48] <pvt_harv> hi Tini2
[02:48] <LjL> soundray: it sure is
[02:49] <ferret0567> I have used LILO before but not for a long time
[02:49] <wickedpuppy> there is always google ...
[02:49] <eck0> im using cedega not wine
[02:49] <Tini2> pvt_harv: hi :p
[02:49] <sidny4> umm, right click on the game shortcut and go to settings or properties, then in there somewhere you should be able to switch it to windows xp
[02:49] <wickedpuppy> since this channel can't sasy rtfm , is it ok to say stfg ?
[02:49] <LjL> eck0: then i don't know, but there has to be a similar option somewhere
[02:49] <sidny4> stfg?
[02:50] <LjL> !rtfm
[02:50] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[02:50] <CTho> if the vmware network module loads, why would i get "No such device" in ifup/ifdown?
[02:50] <ferret0567> Does LILO boot from XFS?
[02:50] <LjL> soundray: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=clvm&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[02:50] <iammisc> how do i make cups use a ppd file from a printer but have it use the postscript driver.
[02:50] <eck0> it works
[02:50] <ferret0567> This LILO apperantly is in the ALternatve install CD
[02:50] <iammisc> Why is ubuntu so complicated?
[02:51] <sidny4> eck0, sweet
[02:51] <wickedpuppy> sidny4, got my message ? LOL
[02:51] <soundray> SpudDogg: the clean solution would now be to compile a new clvm package that fixes the postinstall bug and install it over the old one.
[02:51] <ferret0567> Does LILO chainload/boot Windows XP Home?
[02:51] <sidny4> wickedpuppy, haha, I like that one
[02:51] <soundray> LjL: oh, thanks. SpudDogg, did you see that? It's a known bug.
[02:52] <pvt_harv> ferret0567: yes, i believe so
[02:52] <eck0> it works but laggy as hell
[02:52] <wickedpuppy> sidny4, too bad we all be kick/banned for saying it on the main channel :P
[02:52] <sidny4> wickedpuppy, I know, people are too sensitive and lazy
[02:53] <LjL> oh, and p
[02:53] <cpk2> wickedpuppy: stfg?
[02:53] <wickedpuppy> sidny4, well ... happy helping dude .. i go watch ghost in the shell
[02:53] <sidny4> LjL, wouldn't that be 4 then?
[02:53] <wickedpuppy> cpk2, no i won't explain it here ... sorry
[02:53] <wickedpuppy> :P
[02:53] <sidny4> alright, catch ya later
[02:53] <LjL> sidny4: five actually, since ! needs shift
[02:53] <cpk2> dang
[02:53] <sidny4> true, true
[02:54] <eck0> i dunno but it laggs like its the programs job lol
[02:54] <sidny4> you should make that combo into a macro, then all you need is one fingure :D
[02:54] <sidny4> finger*
[02:55] <hockyhair> is there a repo with newest xmame? im having problems with the version i have
[02:55] <LjL> anyway, what stfg means is easy to discover... well, unless you don't know how to stfg
[02:55] <sidny4> and if you don't, you shouldn't be allowed to use technology
[02:55] <iammisc> i have a remotely attached printer(ipp and an HP Officejet d145). I dont want to use hpijs from the client because my cups server is quite capable of converting between postscript and hp language. Theppd file on linuxprinting.org uses hpijs. The ppd file describes the margins and the double sided printing stuff. How do i make the foomatic driver use just the normal postscript driver?
[02:55] <ferret0567> Well...just rebooted into XP to test if it works and it does so now I am booting into Ubuntu (a shiny, new install(
[02:56] <cpk2> well i am just wondering what g is, google?
[02:56] <LjL> cpk2: bingo
[02:56] <sidny4> cpk2, ding ding ding ding, we have a winner
[02:56] <cpk2> well that isnt very grammatically correct
[02:57] <LjL> cpk2: is the meaning of "stfu" grammatically correct?
[02:57] <Music_Shuffle> Heh
[02:57] <soundray> Oops, cpk2, you forgot an apostrophe between the 'n' and the 't' ;)
[02:58] <hockyhair> im having problems with xmame.SDL 1.01 it is transparent where it should be black
[02:58] <hockyhair> i have this issue in beryl
[02:58] <LjL> !xgl | hockyhair
[02:58] <ubotu> hockyhair: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:58] <hockyhair> im pretty sure it works in other frontends like ob3 or gnome np
[02:58] <ferret0567> Oh, no! A LILO error! L 99 99 99 99 for a while then stops
[02:58] <hockyhair> LjL: ?
[02:59] <ferret0567> Now what?
[02:59] <pike_> ferret0567: install grub? :)
[02:59] <ferret0567> And how do I do that once I have already partitioned
[02:59] <ferret0567> >
[02:59] <ferret0567> ?
[02:59] <LjL> hockyhair: if you're using Beryl with XGL/AIGLX, it doesn't suprise me that some programs can do weird things, especially as the graphics are concerned. please ask in #ubuntu-xgl, or avoid using such experimental technology ;-)
[02:59] <LjL> ferret0567: grub-install
[02:59] <CTho> is there a way to use apt to downgrade from etch to dapper drake?
[02:59] <LjL> !downgrade
[02:59] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[02:59] <ferret0567> And what about the menu.lst?
[03:00] <eck0> does ur game lagg on cedega
[03:00] <soundray> CTho: no. Do a reinstall.
[03:00] <pike_> ferret0567: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto im sure youre pretty familiar
[03:00] <CTho> soundray: the dapper drake image I have gives me no networking
[03:00] <sidny4> well, my shift is over, cya later
[03:00] <soundray> CTho: then stick with edgy.
[03:00] <CTho> soundray: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/596
[03:01] <CTho> soundray: edgy can't compile mozilla
[03:01] <LjL> is that *edgy* or *etch* anyway
[03:01] <LjL> sounds terrible. why do you want to compile mozilla anyway?
[03:01] <soundray> CTho: then use the packaged version
[03:01] <CTho> soundray: that's not an option, i need a debug build that i can use for debugging
[03:01] <CTho> soundray: i'm a developer, so I kind of need to build
[03:01] <LjL> CTho: then what happens when you try to compile it?
[03:01] <CTho> LjL: link problems
[03:02] <CTho> LjL: the other developers think binutils is too new
[03:02] <sethk> CTho, no, that's not the problem
[03:02] <CTho> sethk: oh?
[03:02] <sethk> CTho, what link errors do you get, specifically?
[03:02] <LjL> CTho, you could always install Dapper in a virtual machine if all else fails
[03:02] <sethk> CTho, just the first one, usually when you get one you get hundreds
[03:03] <CTho> LjL: i'm running dapper ina  virtual machine
[03:03] <CTho> sethk: something about a weak reference
[03:03] <ferret0567> I have never messed with menu.lst before...
[03:03] <CTho> sethk: if you hang on a minute i can boot that image up...
[03:03] <sethk> CTho, ok
[03:03] <soundray> CTho: so, to summarize, in order to be able to compile mozilla with debug symbols, you would like to downgrade from edgy to dapper. ;-)
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> I'm having trouble with X failing to start with Intel integrated 845G graphics chipset - text console is fine; X error output complains about not finding BIOS video modes; any ideas?
[03:03] <sethk> CTho, usually the weak reference message is a warning
[03:04] <laszlok> is there a way to put my resolution back to the default one after a fullscreen application crashes without restarting X?
[03:05] <pike_> ferret0567: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda      i think from the ubuntu livecd
[03:05] <LjL> CTho, what vmware are you using? networking was fine in the vmware-player package i used (which is in multiverse)
[03:05] <CTho> LjL: player
[03:05] <CTho> LjL: on winXP, but that really shouldn't matter
[03:05] <pike_> ferret0567: or did you have questions about something specific in menu.lst ?
[03:06] <LjL> pike_: shouldn't that be more like sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/hda1 /dev/hda, from the cd?
[03:06] <Chippy> hello there.  I'm trying to install the nvidia driver, but everytime I do the kernel module gets the wrong version (7xxx or something, installing 8776), and so will boot into X once (no idea why the first time works), but anytime after that X crashes.  Any ideas?
[03:06] <ferret0567> I need GRUB installed, the whole thing
[03:06] <soundray> laszlok: tried System-Preferences-Screen Resolution?
[03:06] <ferret0567> Including menu.lst having an option for XP
[03:06] <pike_> LjL: yeah if you want to be all accurate about it :)
[03:07] <Flannel> ferret0567: the grub installer will autodetect windows, and add it
[03:07] <CTho> woah, ubuntu plays a sound when i log in
[03:07] <CTho> must have had it muted last night
[03:07] <laszlok> soundray: that doesnt do it for some reason
[03:08] <ferret0567> And Ubuntu and it's kernel on the installed drive if I just tell grub to use files in /dev/hdb1?
[03:08] <soundray> laszlok: xvidtune comes to mind...
[03:08] <soundray> !xvidtune
[03:08] <ubotu> xvidtune: X client - xvidtune. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 17 kB, installed size 100 kB
[03:08] <ferret0567> Nothing but trying it out will help I guess...
[03:08] <Flannel> ferret0567: er... yes?  Not really sure I understand that question
[03:09] <Code-E> How do I install Java Runtime Environment in xubuntu
[03:09] <Flannel> !tell Code-E about java
[03:09] <Chippy> hello there.  I'm trying to install the nvidia driver version 8776, but each time I install it the kernel module picks up the wrong version and so X crashes.  Can anyone help?
[03:09] <soundray> laszlok: just hit 'Next' and 'Previous'
[03:09] <eck0> when you guys installed did it ask for a root pw?
[03:09] <eck0> cuz it didnt ask me
[03:09] <preaction> !root > eck0
[03:09] <Flannel> eck0: no.  Ubuntu doesn't use the root account
[03:09] <laszlok> soundray: thanks! it worked
[03:09] <eck0> then how do i install stuff?
[03:09] <mezoko> HI
[03:09] <marcrosoft> eck0, but you can make one
[03:09] <eck0> its asking me for super user stuff
[03:09] <Flannel> eck0: read the link ubotu sent you
[03:09] <preaction> eck0, look at what ubotu says
[03:10] <Flannel> marcrosoft: but he has no reason to
[03:10] <mezoko> When trying to connect to a nfs share I get, mount rpc timedout
[03:10] <CTho> LjL: ok, undefined reference to nsSupportsWeakReference::GetWeakReference(nsIWeakReference**)
[03:10] <mezoko> any suggestiosn
[03:10] <cafuego> eck0: You use 'sudo' to run things as root.
[03:10] <marcrosoft> eck0, i prefer to use root account
[03:10] <Flannel> marcrosoft: but he has no reason to
[03:10] <cafuego> eck0: if the installer wants your root password, it is broken and you should probably avoind the software.
[03:10] <preaction> sudo su, sudo -S, etc... no permanent root account necessary
[03:10] <marcrosoft> Flannel, yeah...
[03:10] <eck0> i need to install video drivers
[03:10] <cpk2> Flannel: actually once sudo stopped working in the middle of a session and it was at that point i wished I had a root account set up
[03:10] <cafuego> eck0: which ones?
[03:10] <sethk> eck0, you can use root, or you can use sudo.  some people believe sudo is better (which is false) and say the root account is "not there" which is also false
[03:11] <marcrosoft> Flannel, didn't mean to jump in... just thought id through that out there
[03:11] <Chippy> hello there.  I'm trying to install the nvidia driver version 8776, but each time I install it the kernel module picks up the wrong version and so X crashes.  Can anyone help?
[03:11] <iammisc> the open source radeon driver creates lines on my gtk buttons. Hwo come?
[03:11] <sethk> eck0, it's also false to say root is "disabled" or any of the other nonsense.
[03:11] <CTho> (or, sethk / soundray)
[03:11] <Xev> #linux-lationo
[03:11] <Flannel> sethk: no it's not.  the root login IS disabled
[03:11] <CTho> soundray: yes, it's a virtual machine - i don't really care about the distro / environment. ijust want to use valgrind
[03:11] <ferret0567> Flannel: "the grub installer will autodetect windows, and add it" plus the additional requirement of Ubuntu OS (main) boot option in the boot menu of GRUB automagically when GRUB is installed
[03:11] <sethk> Flannel, nonsense
[03:11] <cafuego> sethk: No, it's true.
[03:11] <sethk> Flannel, the password is not set.  the machine absolutely will not run without a working root account
[03:12] <SiliconViper> Hmm... is there another way to delete a file, if it doesn't respond to attempts via rm / unlink ?
[03:12] <sethk> Flannel, just do ps aux, you'll see all the processes running as root
[03:12] <cpk2> its not disabled you just dont have a password
[03:12] <CTho> http://www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=436507 solved my problem in dapper...now i just have to install a boatload of packages to get X and its libs ;)
[03:12] <cafuego> sethk: note he said "login disabled" not "account disabled".
[03:12] <sethk> cpk2, correct
[03:12] <Flannel> sethk: root account login is disabled.  Read ALL of those words, carefully
[03:12] <sethk> Flannel, not true.
[03:12] <sethk> Flannel, one _can_ disable a login, but not by leaving the password blank
[03:12] <Flannel> sethk: ubuntu doesn't have a blank password, the root account is disabled
[03:12] <Chippy> hello there.  I'm trying to install the nvidia driver version 8776, but each time I install it the X module picks up the wrong version and so X crashes.  Can anyone help?
[03:12] <sethk> Flannel, for example it's common to create accounts that cannot log in for email purposes.
[03:12] <marcrosoft> guys arguing over semantics
[03:12] <sethk> Flannel, no
[03:12] <marcrosoft> same difference
[03:12] <cafuego> sethk: You'll find the password is not blank. have a look.
[03:13] <cpk2> and i thought that root does have a password when you install but its just random
[03:13] <sethk> cafuego, of course not, I changed it  :)
[03:13] <sethk> cpk2, yes, that's correct
[03:13] <Flannel> sethk: #ubuntu-offtopic, for the rest of this discussion
[03:13] <Flannel> cafuego: you're welcome to join us ;)
[03:13] <sethk> when you can't prevail in a discussion, scream offtopic
[03:13] <eck0> w00t sudo worked
[03:13] <cafuego> cpk2: No, it's set to a string that cannot be the rsult of encryption (so no password will work, ever).
[03:13] <SiliconViper> cpk2, the password was probably set to non-useable by means of 'passwd -l' or something, if I were to guess.
[03:13] <sethk> anyway, CTho did you put up the error from the link?
[03:14] <CTho> seth: <CTho> LjL: ok, undefined reference to nsSupportsWeakReference::GetWeakReference(nsIWeakReference**)
[03:14] <Flannel> sethk: no.  Itdoesn't belong here.  Is there something stopping you from continuing in -offtopic?  stop making stuff up.
[03:14] <cafuego> eck0: keep in mind that nvidia and ati drivers are prepackaged and require no 3rd party installers.
[03:14] <LjL> sethk, uh... no it isn't?!
[03:14] <marcrosoft> its probably set to a random password
[03:14] <LjL> sethk: there is simply no root password in /etc/shadow
[03:14] <marcrosoft> sudp passwd to set it
[03:14] <eck0> i figured it out
[03:14] <LjL> sudo cat /etc/shadow | grep root
[03:14] <cafuego> marcrosoft: No, it's set to a string that cannot be the rsult of encryption (so no password will work, ever).a
[03:14] <cliffd> I have a /dev/md0 I made with mdadm, just data.. not boot or root and I need to re install... what do I need to do to preserve that raid set?
[03:14] <sethk> LjL, depends on which install options you choose
[03:14] <CTho> sethk: ^ sorry
[03:14] <sethk> LjL, if you choose the expert install (in the new one the OEM install) the root password is set, just as it is with any other distro
[03:14] <SiliconViper> LjL, that'd be the results of 'passwd -l'. Easy to fix, find the counter-argument in man passwd.
[03:14] <marcrosoft> cafuego, cannot be a result of encryption?
[03:15] <cafuego> marcrosoft: Yes, the encrypted root password ona  default desktop install is '*'.
[03:15] <cafuego> marcrosoft: None of the used algorithms produce '*' as encrypted result, no matter their input.
[03:16] <Jared> Hey guys, I tried to do a damnsmalllinux dual boot with ubuntu, and for some reason once i got it installed, it wont show up on grub, it just completely wont show ubuntu in the bootloader, and takes me straight to dsl
[03:16] <cafuego> marcrosoft: Ergo, no password can be used to login to that account, as authentication will always fail.
[03:16] <Chippy> Hey, installing the nvidia driver on Ubuntu (32 bit), on http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html I want which version of the driver?
[03:16] <SiliconViper> cafuego, which is what happens when you lock an account via passwd. Whoever orginally started this can reverse it with 'passwd -u root';
[03:16] <marcrosoft> cafuego, i see..
[03:16] <sethk> Jared, you isntalled another grub, and it is using another config file
[03:16] <marcrosoft> cafuego, the point is that you have to set it... if you want to switch user to root...
[03:16] <Jared> ack....okay so how do i fix that?
[03:16] <SiliconViper> *eats dinner*
[03:16] <LjL> SiliconViper: i'm not saying it's hard to fix (and i personally don't see a need to "fix" it anyway) - just countering the suggestion that the root password is set to random characters by the standard Ubuntu installer. it's not - the hash is simply set to "!"
[03:16] <sethk> SiliconViper, that's true I think for the default install options, but not, as I said, with other install option choices.
[03:16] <LjL> sethk: ok, not to random characters though
[03:17] <sethk> LjL, true
[03:17] <cafuego> marcrosoft: only if you somehow think 'su ' is a better way of doing things than 'sudo -s'.
[03:17] <Jared> hey sethk i'll brb going to an irc client that i can actually use
[03:17] <Chippy> wow, so no one here is helping me
[03:17] <Chippy> awesome
[03:17] <Flannel> !tell Chippy about nvidia
[03:17] <sethk> Chippy, lots of traffic.  what did you ask?
[03:17] <cafuego> Chippy: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx
[03:17] <marcrosoft> i perfer to know weather or not i cannot induce root based commands.... (root on the PS1) ... and i dont like typing sudo all the time.. :)
[03:18] <cafuego> Chippy: No need to downlaod stuff from nvidia.com
[03:18] <marcrosoft> cafuego, ^
[03:18] <cafuego> marcrosoft: Like I said, 'sudo -s'
[03:18] <Chippy> cafuego: mkay, will try that...
[03:19] <ramus> i got an error when trying to upgrade to edgy eft and after restarting, the boot process stops after 'mounting root file system'...it just brings up a blinking underscore and does nothing else
[03:19] <Jared> sethk, i'm back so anyway I can fix this without having to reinstall?
[03:19] <marcrosoft> cafuego, hmm,... never done that command, i expected it not to have the root on PS1... how can i set the password to '*' again?
[03:19] <cpk2> whats the difference between su - and sudo -s nothing?
[03:19] <pike_> ramus: sweet
[03:19] <sethk> Jared, you can easily reinstall only grub.
[03:19] <cafuego> marcrosoft: passwd -l root
[03:19] <sethk> Jared, either with grub-install, or with the grub utility
[03:19] <xipietotec> hey....how do i import icon themes?
[03:19] <cpk2> i've done sudo bash before but heard in this channel that for some mystic reason you shouldnt do sudo bash
[03:19] <Jared> Eh, keep in mind i'm 12, how do i do the grub-install, I've never tried to dual boot and thats why i'm having problmes
[03:20] <cafuego> marcrosoft: if you want to process roots login scripts, use 'sudo -i' (that DOES mean apps that need $DISPLAY won't run - but then, they don't on 'su -' either)
[03:20] <marcrosoft> cafuego, cool, only problem is sudo remembers you typed the password recently... thats kind of a security issue dont you agree?... can this be changed
[03:20] <pike_> ramus: can you boot in whatever theyre calling single user in grub? recovery mode?
[03:20] <ramus> not sure, how do you do that
[03:20] <sethk> cpk2, well, _if_ you shouldn't do su, then you shouldn't do sudo bash either.  That's part of why the sudo argument is so dumb, because instead of making it so there is a root password and you have to know it (plus your own), it makes it so you can be root by only knowing your own password.
[03:20] <cafuego> marcrosoft: it only remembers it for 10 minutes, but yes, you can change this.
[03:20] <marcrosoft> cafuego, i don't typically run gui apps with root
[03:21] <xipietotec> hey....how do i import icon themes? anyone?
[03:21] <CTho> sethk: undefined reference to nsSupportsWeakReference::GetWeakReference(nsIWeakReference**)
[03:21] <marcrosoft> cafuego, but if you use root and walk away from your computer.. someone could open with root
[03:21] <cafuego> marcrosoft: Check man sudoers for 'timestamp_timeout'
[03:22] <sethk> CTho, let me see where that appears.
[03:22] <marcrosoft> cafuego, guess its not too big of a deal where my computer is... do you know where to change that option?
[03:22] <CTho> sethk: modules/libpref is where the build dies
[03:22] <cafuego> marcrosoft: That's a moot point, as anyone with physical access can reboot with init=/bin/sh
[03:22] <greg_> hi ya'all has anyone gotten cinerella to compile on edgy?
[03:22] <greg_> cinelerra that is
[03:23] <cafuego> marcrosoft: on 'sudo visudo' add timestamp_timeout=0 to the Defaults line
[03:23] <marcrosoft> cafuego, i am not familiar with init=/bin/sh ... is this a way to get the local root password or something
[03:23] <cafuego> marcrosoft: it boots the machine straight into a root shell.
[03:23] <Flannel> greg_: #ubuntu+1 for edgy support
[03:23] <matthew_w> Hey uh
[03:24] <greg_> Flannel...ok thanks
[03:24] <GTroy_> how do I add myself to the sudoers file?  sudo addgroup myname admin won't work
[03:24] <sethk> CTho, it's definitely not in binutils, I just checked the source.
[03:24] <sethk> CTho, I'll see if I can find where it is, rather than only where it isn't.
[03:24] <CTho> sethk: it's a gecko string
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> I'm having trouble with X failing to start with Intel integrated 845G graphics chipset - text console is fine; X error output complains about not finding BIOS video modes; any ideas?
[03:24] <GTroy_> I'm totally locked out of root priveleges
[03:24] <CTho> sethk: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey if you want to search
[03:24] <Squirrels> whats a good program for using an ipod?
[03:24] <jared2012> sethk check your pm please
[03:24] <GTroy_> Squirrels gtkpod
[03:24] <CTho> sethk: the concern was, the new linker/compiler version can't build moz
[03:24] <sethk> CTho, I don't know what you mean by a gecko string.  It's aun undefined linker symbol.
[03:25] <pike_> GTroy_: sudo gedit /etc/group find the admin group and add the username you want like group::user1,user2
[03:25] <CTho> sethk: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/search?string=getweakreference
[03:25] <GTroy_> I cannot sudo
[03:25] <sethk> CTho, well, first of all, case is significant in these symbols
[03:25] <pike_> GTroy_: no user account can?
[03:25] <CTho> sethk: but LXR is case insensitive ;)
[03:25] <GTroy_> wait..might be able to
[03:25] <sethk> CTho, secondly, that's just a search string for some documentation, has nothing relevant that I can see.
[03:25] <marcrosoft> cafuego, how the heck do you do that.. just type init=/bin/sh ??
[03:25] <CTho> sethk: well, an example call is /modules/libpref/src/nsPrefBranch.cpp, line 652 -- nsCOMPtr<nsIWeakReference> tmp = do_GetWeakReference(weakRefFactory);