[11:10] <czajkowski> http://design.canonical.com/brand/10.%20Photography%20treatments.pdf  <----- very useful document
[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander.
[15:00]  * rsalveti waves
[15:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110217
[15:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110217
[15:00] <NCommander> Who's here this morning
[15:01] <janimo> hello
[15:02]  * NCommander pokes GrueMaster ogra persia
[15:02] <NCommander> and davidm
[15:02]  * GrueMaster is pre-caffeinated.
[15:02] <GrueMaster> davidm may be running late.
[15:03] <GrueMaster> (he mentioned it last night in a different channel).
[15:03] <NCommander> ah
[15:03]  * ogra pokes NCommander back
[15:03]  * NCommander is poked
[15:03] <NCommander> k
[15:03] <NCommander> let's go
[15:03] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co)
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co)
[15:04] <NCommander> Done. Thanks ogra for bringing it up at the release meeting
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[15:04] <ogra> i didnt
[15:04] <NCommander> ogra: I thought you said you did in #ubuntu-release
[15:04] <rsalveti> I had one action to talk with cooloney to work on the DVI patches, and he's already working on it
[15:04] <ogra> i just changed our report but that didnt mean that kate used the other tracker
[15:04]  * NCommander coughs
[15:05] <ogra> she does now after our conversation in #ubuntu-release, yes
[15:05] <NCommander> I also did talk with skaet_ on this the other day
[15:05] <ogra> i dodnt think she noticed it in the report
[15:05] <NCommander> ah
[15:05] <ogra> (which is why you should talk to her ;) )
[15:05] <NCommander> either way, its resolved
[15:05] <ogra> yes
[15:05] <ogra> :)
[15:06] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:06] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html
[15:07] <NCommander> no comments on the workitem tracker?
[15:07] <ogra> we look pretty good i'd say
[15:08] <NCommander> cool
[15:08] <ogra> we need to move items next week though
[15:08]  * NCommander moves on
[15:08] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D Status
[15:08] <ogra> if there are any we dont make
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D Status
[15:08] <rsalveti> also good :-)
[15:08] <ogra> its on the images since yesterday
[15:08] <ogra> i'll care for the new upstream next week
[15:08] <GrueMaster> And semi-works too.
[15:08] <ogra> the dash isnt fixed in that version
[15:09] <ogra> upstream has the fix already afaik
[15:09] <ogra> upstream is at 3.4 while we are at 3.2
[15:09] <GrueMaster> Is une-efl still seeded in the image or no?
[15:09] <ogra> no
[15:09] <ogra> its gone to universe already
[15:09] <rsalveti> oh, cool
[15:09] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Hadn't checked due to other high priority testing.
[15:10] <GrueMaster> It was useful in that unity-2d can't launch apps yet.
[15:10] <ogra> we're waiting for QT for NEON stuff
[15:10] <ogra> it launches apps for me
[15:10] <ogra> just doesnt show the dash
[15:10] <GrueMaster> Try launching a terminal.
[15:10] <ogra> well, shows it but doesnt get you search results
[15:10] <ogra> i dont have a terminal in the launcher
[15:11] <ogra> and the dash doesnt work
[15:11] <ogra> what i click on in the launcher works here
[15:11] <GrueMaster> Filemanager also crashes, but I think that is due to the icons bug.
[15:11] <ogra> hmm, works for me too
[15:12] <GrueMaster> (can't tell as I have no terminal. )  :P
[15:12] <ogra> i have issues with it on my x86 lappie, but not on the panda
[15:12] <ogra> but as i said. new upstrea pending that will solve the dash issue
[15:13] <GrueMaster> Open the file manager and go to /usr/share/applications.  It will crash trying to display the .desktop icons.
[15:13] <GrueMaster> (which was the alternate way to launch the terminal)
[15:14] <ogra> ah, i didnt try that
[15:14] <ogra> well, overall unity-2d looks ok apart from known bugs
[15:15] <GrueMaster> yep
[15:15] <rsalveti> that's fine
[15:15] <ogra> NCommander, move (if there arent any other issues)
[15:15] <rsalveti> now we need to blog about it :-)
[15:15] <rsalveti> or wait alpha-3
[15:15] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[15:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[15:15] <ogra> rsalveti, davidm alrteady did ;)
[15:15] <ogra> see planet
[15:15] <rsalveti> new kernel for omap3, based on 38-rc5, should work quite same way for us
[15:16] <rsalveti> ogra: nice, will check
[15:16] <rsalveti> for omap 4 cooloney is still working on the DVI patches
[15:16] <rsalveti> once he's done he'll update the ti-omap4-dev branch
[15:16] <ogra> did anyone test the ppa kernel yet ?
[15:16] <rsalveti> janimo?
[15:16] <janimo> I ran it today
[15:17] <janimo> and booted, but reverted to .35 after that
[15:17] <rsalveti> should work, as it's basically upstream
[15:17] <ogra> what didnt work ? ;)
[15:17] <janimo> I tried turning off proc1
[15:17] <janimo> and the command hung
[15:17] <janimo> even if the board did not
[15:17] <ogra> no PM in that kernel
[15:17] <janimo> so no CPU hitplug?
[15:17] <ogra> so thats not surprising
[15:17] <janimo> the sysfs file is exposed though
[15:17] <rsalveti> janimo: don't expect pm to work :-)
[15:17] <ogra> i would think hotplug is a PM feature
[15:17] <janimo> it should not if it does not work
[15:17] <rsalveti> well, pm is there
[15:17] <GrueMaster> That's the same on .35 kernel.
[15:17] <rsalveti> just doesn't work :-)
[15:18] <ogra> GrueMaster, on the natty .35 one ?
[15:18] <janimo> also I saw tiwlann errors in dmesg but maybe I did not nstall some firmware pkg
[15:18] <ogra> there it should work
[15:18] <janimo> did not test much else
[15:18] <rsalveti> janimo: could be
[15:18] <GrueMaster> Mmm.  May have been mav.
[15:18] <janimo> as I wanted to build mono and did not want to risk an oops or something
[15:18] <ogra> natty .35 has the PM patches
[15:18] <rsalveti> natty should be fine
[15:18] <GrueMaster> I hit it testing f-spot last night.
[15:18] <rsalveti> I tested yesterday while testing mono
[15:18] <ogra> .38 wont have or get them though
[15:18] <janimo> rsalveti, so tiwlan on panda should work without TI PPA now?
[15:18] <rsalveti> put second cpu off and still going fine
[15:19] <janimo> that would be nice
[15:19] <rsalveti> janimo: yup, just need the right firmware
[15:19] <janimo> hmm, so a restriced package just as on x86?
[15:20] <janimo> without needed to fetch from the TI ppa?
[15:20] <ogra> likely that way
[15:20] <persia> Is the firmware merged into linux-firmware?
[15:20] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:20] <ogra> persia, not yet
[15:20] <janimo> anyway we'll discuss in #arm  later
[15:20] <ogra> and i think the codebase isnt fully merged either yet
[15:20] <rsalveti> but no other news from TI
[15:20] <rsalveti> nor Linaro, about newer changes for OMAP 4
[15:20] <ogra> we have to wait for TI's "go"
[15:20] <janimo> do TI make a new code drop in the PPA sometime?
[15:21] <janimo> ok
[15:21] <rsalveti> once we have the "go" we can update the branch and publish it to the ppa
[15:21] <ogra> janimo, for natty, yes, but note they are not bound to release schedule
[15:21] <janimo> sure
[15:21] <ogra> its a PPA after all
[15:21] <ogra> just needs to be ready by release
[15:21] <janimo> I see tiwlan firmware on x86 so maybe I just need to get that pkg on the panda too
[15:21] <janimo> if it is built against this kernel version
[15:21] <ogra> try it :)
[15:21] <rsalveti> current schedule ways that we'll have a working 38 kernel days before the final release hehe :-)
[15:22] <rsalveti> *says
[15:22] <ogra> if it works we can just pull it over
[15:22] <rsalveti> we'll see :-)
[15:22] <rsalveti> move?
[15:22] <ogra> well, as long as we have sound and display we can drop .35 imho
[15:22] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:22] <rsalveti> ogra: probably
[15:23] <ogra> the other features will just stream in
[15:23] <GrueMaster> This week has been busy with a flurry of kernel updates from the kernel team on older releases.
[15:23] <ogra> and network :)
[15:23] <ogra> oh, we moved =
[15:23] <persia> And USB, please.
[15:23] <GrueMaster> sigh.
[15:23] <ogra> persia, network expects USb
[15:24] <GrueMaster> Kernel updates for Lucid and Maverick on Dove have a serious regression in that they corrupt the console output.
[15:24] <rsalveti> ouch
[15:25] <GrueMaster> Also working on a revised script for pulling a bug list from LP that better suits the teams needs.  WIP.
[15:26] <GrueMaster> May not be able to get everything as some search query capabilities appear to be missing from lplib.
[15:27] <ogra> file bugs ;)
[15:27] <GrueMaster> Linaro team has me hopping on some old (karmic) bugs.  Apparently they can't reproduce the failures on natty with newer platforms.  Go figure.
[15:27] <ogra> heh
[15:27] <GrueMaster> ogra: planned on it once I can dive back in.  Kernel testing preempted this for the moment.
[15:28] <GrueMaster> That's it for QA.
[15:28] <ogra> great
[15:29] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:29] <janimo> triaged/tested and closed a few bugs in yesterday's porting jam
[15:29] <NCommander> Did some debugging work on mono, made some interesting progress
[15:30] <janimo> fixed one more alignment related FTBFS during the week
[15:30] <NCommander> janimo: any chance you looked at kdebindings? I'm stumped on that build failure, and a second set of eyes might help
[15:30] <janimo> NCommander, ok, will take a look
[15:30] <ogra> the mono smp finding was awesome, kudos to rsalveti and GrueMaster !!
[15:30] <janimo> yes
[15:31] <NCommander> ogra: unfortunately, even adding memory barriers to mono doesn't quite fix it :-(
[15:31] <NCommander> If anything, it breaks worse now
[15:31] <rsalveti> urgh
[15:31] <janimo> I think both banshee bugs have the same root and should be dupes
[15:31] <GrueMaster> It will be a major step in the right direction.
[15:31] <rsalveti> NCommander: did you talk with upstream already?
[15:31] <NCommander> rsalveti: yeah, and we cooked a patch
[15:31] <janimo> NCommander, did they have a patch in 2.8 or 2.10 already?
[15:31] <NCommander> http://pastebin.com/aRZ0R2HK - for reference
[15:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://pastebin.com/aRZ0R2HK - for reference
[15:32] <ogra> NCommander, it works with nosmp
[15:32] <NCommander> janimo: no charges to the code in 2.8 or 2.10, I am working against 2.10 for the moment with intergration with upstream
[15:32] <NCommander> ogra: yes, I know :-)
[15:32] <ogra> rthats a massive progress
[15:32] <rsalveti> we can just say, turn one cpu off in case you want to play music with banshee :-)
[15:33] <janimo> NCommander, is that for armv6?
[15:33] <ogra> rsalveti, if PM works ;)
[15:33] <NCommander> janimo: and great, we're continuing to work on it :-/
[15:33] <rsalveti> ogra: haha, true
[15:33] <janimo> on ARMv7 memory barrier is DMB I think no coprocessor instrucitons involved
[15:33] <ogra> but yeah, gross hack but would work
[15:34] <NCommander> janimo: we decided for the sake of upstream to do it with the MCR instruction so they don't have to specifically decide at runtime which ARM variant we're on :-/
[15:34] <janimo> NCommander, from what I've seen in the code they test for armv7 in a few places already, but it's ok
[15:35] <NCommander> janimo: I think I figured out why our code is busted though
[15:35] <janimo> what seems interesting is that on their CI site (monkeywrench) 2.8/arm/ubuntu 9.04 passes tests
[15:35]  * NCommander is now more awake and relooking at the patch
[15:35] <davidm> G;day NCommander ogra janimo rsalveti GrueMaster persia
[15:35] <ogra> how about discussing that offline ?
[15:35] <ogra> seems to get a bit to much into detail for the meeting
[15:35] <GrueMaster> janimo: 9.04 was armv5 iirc.
[15:36] <janimo> GrueMaster, oh that would explain a lot of things
[15:36] <ogra> yes
[15:36] <ogra> 9.04 was essentially debian recompiled
[15:36] <janimo> they don;t have more arm boards to set up more CI boxes. too bad
[15:37] <GrueMaster> They can order panda's.  :P
[15:38] <ogra> move ??
[15:38] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:39] <ogra> failed today (as all arches did)
[15:39] <GrueMaster> yep
[15:39] <ogra> thanks to computer-janitor
[15:39] <ogra> lool fixed that afaik
[15:41] <GrueMaster> Zzzzzz
[15:41] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:41] <ogra> flash-kernel has issues with panda with the new kernel
[15:41]  * NCommander groans
[15:42] <ogra> specifically with linaro using a unified omap flavour
[15:42] <NCommander> ogra: ugh, they changed omap4 to use 'omap'?
[15:42] <ogra> but also with the kernel reporting omap4 boards differently
[15:42]  * NCommander notes that breaks a ton of sanity checks ...
[15:42] <ogra> NCommander, yes
[15:42] <ogra> that was on their roadmap for quite some time
[15:43] <GrueMaster> How will that even be possible?
[15:43] <ogra> ??
[15:43] <ogra> it apparently works
[15:43] <GrueMaster> Can one kernel run both platforms?
[15:43] <ogra> ask linaro kernel devs how they did it
[15:43] <ogra> sure
[15:43] <GrueMaster> ok
[15:43] <rsalveti> sure, at least one omap kernel for all
[15:43] <rsalveti> that's the upstream direction
[15:43] <ogra> well, i guess it wont run on omap2
[15:44] <rsalveti> hehe, true
[15:44] <rsalveti> omap 3 and omap 4
[15:44] <ogra> but who has the hw to test that anyway
[15:44] <GrueMaster> Oh, boohoo.
[15:44] <rsalveti> nobody cares for omap 2 anymore
[15:44] <ogra> anyway, just wanted to mention it
[15:44] <ogra> aob seemed appropriate
[15:44] <GrueMaster> Interesting.
[15:44] <rsalveti> and soon just one u-boot too
[15:44] <ogra> we need to look into that
[15:44] <ogra> and most likely reqork some of the subarch detection
[15:44] <rsalveti> x-loader should still be different for the moment, as it needs the hardware id
[15:44] <GrueMaster> ...and in the darkness, bind them.
[15:45] <ogra> (as we need to do for blaze anyway to fix the open bug)
[15:45] <janimo> these are all post natty right? unified uboot and kernel
[15:45] <ogra> janimo, fixing flash-kernel is natty
[15:45] <ogra> bootloaders arent
[15:45] <rsalveti> janimo: unified probably
[15:45] <janimo> right, I mean omap3/4 unification
[15:45] <janimo> binaries
[15:45] <ogra> and will likely require HW changes anyway
[15:45] <ogra> the rom code wont just handle unified x-loader
[15:46] <rsalveti> nops
[15:46] <ogra> janimo, unified kernels are reality in linaro
[15:46] <rsalveti> but only one u-boot and kernel is cool enough already
[15:46] <ogra> and flash-kernel currently breajs for them
[15:46] <ogra> 'breaks
[15:46] <rsalveti> lool seems to be fixing it
[15:46] <ogra> lool fixes upstream
[15:47] <ogra> we need to fix it downstream for the moment
[15:47] <ogra> debian doesnt support omap4 yet
[15:47] <ogra> and i dont even thing omap3 atm
[15:47] <persia> So we should have unified kernels in "linux" for natty+1?
[15:48] <rsalveti> at least for omap
[15:48] <ogra> yes
[15:48] <persia> Cool.
[15:48] <ogra> possibly +2 who knows
[15:48] <ogra> in any case linaro has it today
[15:48] <ogra> anyway, thats all from me
[15:49] <rsalveti> I'm also done
[15:49] <NCommander> anything else?
[15:49] <rsalveti> move! :-)
[15:52] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:52.
[16:03] <lool> rsalveti: I'm not working on Ubuntu's flash-kernel ATM
[16:03] <rsalveti> lool: yeah, ogra explained
[16:03] <lool> rsalveti: So I don't think I'll be fixing any Linaro/Ubuntu issue soon; the work I'm doing is rather longer term investment in having a more useful flash-kernel
[16:03] <rsalveti> but good anyway
[16:04] <ogra> lool, thats what i expected
[16:04] <lool> In any case, I kept relatively quiet on this because I don't want to discourage people from improving flash-kernel just because I might possibly be working on it
[18:46] <beardygnome> hi charlie-tca, we're selling our house at the moment and I've got someone coming round to see it for the first half of the meeting, but will try to make the second half.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks for letting me know
[18:47] <charlie-tca> take your time with the house. That is more important
[18:47] <beardygnome> cheers charlie-tca, catch you later
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I would like to keep this a short meeting. I am already a week behind on minutes from last week, so we got to wing it a bit
[18:59] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[18:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is charlie-tca.
[18:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Welcome to the Xubuntu Weekly community meeting
[19:00] <charlie-tca> The full agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:00] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old Business
[19:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old Business
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Since I am behind on the minutes, does anyone remember if there is any old business to discuss?
[19:01] <knome> marketing
[19:01] <knome> says agenda
[19:02] <knome> no - i think that's for the prev meetin
[19:02] <knome> +g
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Yes, we still need to create a marketing plan on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[19:02] <charlie-tca> any volunteers to do that?
[19:02] <ochosi> yeah, btw i'm sorry since i wasn't here the last couple of days i didn't manage to move the publicity-section from shimmer-wiki to the xubuntu wiki yet
[19:03] <charlie-tca> No problem, I remembered you were gonna be busy
[19:03] <knome> don't add a specific action for me, but i'll work on the marketing plan, probably with ochosi and mr_pouit (and maybe pleia2)
[19:03] <charlie-tca> and make it on the wiki?
[19:04] <knome> it would be great if ochosi could take the item so we can move our plans to the ubuntu wiki once we have something more
[19:04] <Sysi> knome suggested it for me once but i'll propably be just watching and trying to learn
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Okay, carried forward then
[19:04] <knome> i need to go toi toilet, but you could even make it a shimmer action
[19:04] <knome> :P
[19:04] <charlie-tca> (yes, i am in a bit of a hurry today)
[19:05] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[19:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  shimmer project to move items pertaining to Xubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Thanks, knome
[19:06] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates - Team Leads
[19:06] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Packaging & Development
[19:06] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn for updating us
[19:07] <mr_pouit> okay, sorry for being late
[19:07]  * charlie-tca thinks you got here right on time, packaging and development updates
[19:07] <mr_pouit> * More syncs from debian experimental
[19:07] <mr_pouit> * Updated xfce4-session and tumbler to the latest upstream releases
[19:07] <mr_pouit> * More bugfixes/improvements for xubuntu-default-settings (Bug #79053, Bug #718177, mostly menu tuning, feedback welcome!)
[19:07] <mr_pouit> * Uploaded update-notifier to fix restarting with 4.8 (Bug #716905)
[19:07] <mr_pouit> * Fixed a few plugins to work with the new panel (xfce4-weather-plugin, xfce4-timer-plugin).
[19:08] <charlie-tca> I want to say the weather plugin is working in Natty now
[19:08] <mr_pouit> great
[19:08] <mr_pouit> and some bugs reported for the integration with ubiquity
[19:08] <mr_pouit> that's all
[19:08] <charlie-tca> You have been busy!
[19:08] <mr_pouit> as I wrote, some feedback is welcome for the menu
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Thank you for your hard work.
[19:09] <ochosi> one more quick note in the packaging department from me: i'm working hard on making gmusicbrowser final for natty, should be ready next week before the freeze
[19:09] <ochosi> iirc micahg does the packaging of that one?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:10] <mr_pouit> (yeah, the two remaining items are a new elementary-icon-theme release and gmusicbrowser)
[19:10] <charlie-tca> and the wallpaper, right?
[19:10] <knome> that isn't a "feature" ?
[19:10] <micahg> yeah, I've been trying, I need to get someone to show me how to get the debian upstream dir not to import
[19:10] <ochosi> yep about elementary icons: talked with upstream today, they will do a new release for us in time for the feature freeze and will also accept our packages until then
[19:10] <mr_pouit> yeah, but it can be uploaded after feature freeze (next thursday)
[19:10] <mr_pouit> (the wp)
[19:10] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:11] <ochosi> micahg: can we talk about gmusicbrowser in #xubuntu-devel after the meeting?
[19:11] <mr_pouit> for the icon theme and gmb, it's easier it they are ready before that :)
[19:11] <mr_pouit> s/it/if/
[19:11] <charlie-tca> micahg: mr_pouit or cody-somerville should be able to help with that, can't they?
[19:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, it's a git issue
[19:11] <charlie-tca> oh
[19:12] <charlie-tca> any other questions for Packaging and Development?
[19:12] <charlie-tca> thank you, mr_pouit.
[19:12] <mr_pouit> :)
[19:13] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Busy couple of weeks. This week we tested the iso images for 10.04.2
[19:13] <charlie-tca> and they passed
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I fell down on bugs again, but will pick them up next week
[19:14] <charlie-tca> We need some testers and probably a new testing lead, if anyone is interested
[19:15] <charlie-tca> We need to have some more people looking at Natty, so we can get the feedback to mr_pouit and ochosi in time for any changes needed.
[19:15] <charlie-tca> We have Natty Alpha3 coming out in two weeks.
[19:16] <ochosi> mhm, good point
[19:16] <ochosi> > marketing?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 10.04.2 will be released either today or tomorrow, depending on testing for Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[19:16] <charlie-tca> what marketing?
[19:17] <charlie-tca> did I get lost again?
[19:17] <knome> next topic?
[19:17] <Sysi> i didn't get alpha2 to boot from usb, syslinux config fail
[19:17] <charlie-tca> any questions on bugs and testing?
[19:17] <ochosi> (no i meant: maybe getting more people to test is also an issue for marketing)
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Sysi: correct
[19:18] <knome> i suppose it's an issue for anything
[19:18] <charlie-tca> If you create the image on 10.10 or 10.04, you have to type "live" or " help" at the boot:  prompt
[19:18] <charlie-tca> then it will work
[19:18] <charlie-tca> and I don't know why
[19:18] <mr_pouit> I guess unity is getting all attention, that's why we have less testers
[19:19] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:19] <charlie-tca> We do have users running Natty, and they are quite happy so far
[19:19] <charlie-tca> anyone have an update on this? pleia2 or knome maybe?
[19:20] <knome> no updates. i suppose pleia2 should investigate if we can switch to wordpres
[19:20] <knome> +s
[19:20] <pleia2> I was supposed to ask knome to do some drafts with a grey background and a black background as some folks requested at the last meeting, but I didn't
[19:20] <knome> pleia2, well now you did :)
[19:20] <pleia2> :)
[19:20] <charlie-tca> I am sorry, it would have helped if I had gotten the minutes out
[19:20] <pleia2> not sure who I can follow up with re: wordpress, would that be cody? or canonical?
[19:21] <knome> pleia2, probably canonical IS would be the best place to ask
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I think it is Canonical, though
[19:21] <knome> pleia2, afaik cody can't decide anything (he can help on us getting what we want though)
[19:21] <pleia2> ok, I can submit an rt ticket to get things started
[19:21] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:21] <knome> pleia2, err, if there is any other way, please use that
[19:21] <charlie-tca> You want an action for any of that?
[19:22] <knome> it took over two years for my last rt tickets to go through
[19:22] <knome> and they were really trivial
[19:22] <pleia2> knome: the process I tend to find works best is submit rt ticket, then join #canonical-sysadmin after a couple weeks and ask directly :)
[19:22] <knome> pleia2, sure, feel free to ask me to join as well
[19:22] <charlie-tca> It helps to know how to push
[19:23] <pleia2> but they are currently under a lot of pressure to upgrade the wiki, so I'm not hopeful that they'll have time in the super near future
[19:23] <pleia2> (they have wiki plans that are being put into place these next few weeks, yay!)
[19:23] <charlie-tca> A nice change for O maybe?
[19:23] <knome> pleia2, also, do you have time to look at the website later today - let's say at 22 or 23 utc?
[19:23] <pleia2> knome: I can try, I don't get out of work until 1UTC
[19:24] <knome> okay. ping me @ #shimmer
[19:24] <pleia2> k
[19:24] <knome> anyway, i have a proposal
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Thank you for the update, pleia2.
[19:24] <knome> let's arrange a skype meeting to discuss the marketing plans
[19:24] <charlie-tca> knome: proposal for here or for pleia2 ?
[19:24] <knome> as well as possible changes to the xubuntu strategy document
[19:24] <knome> here
[19:24] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[19:24] <knome> ^ there you go ;)
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Don't we all need skype to do that?
[19:25] <knome> yeah. we can do any other voip-call as well, if skype is a problem
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I don't have any, but you can conference me in, if needed
[19:25] <knome> but i think it would make much more sense if we could really discuss things
[19:26] <Sysi> does everybody have a microphone?
[19:26] <knome> not only by typing
[19:26] <knome> arrangeable, i think
[19:26] <charlie-tca> No, but I can get one
[19:26] <knome> i'm not proposing on keeping the meeting now, but arranging one later
[19:26] <charlie-tca> okay, knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing
[19:26] <knome> you can add an action item for me to do some preparation stuff for that
[19:27] <Sysi> (mumble?)
[19:27] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing
[19:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing
[19:27] <charlie-tca> leaves it nicely open to what ever can be done
[19:27] <knome> ...as well as the strategy document and the future of xubuntu
[19:27] <knome> :)
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I don't think I can hit that one today, but it is still in the minutes, too
[19:28] <charlie-tca> I keep carrying it forward
[19:28] <knome> sure
[19:28] <charlie-tca> visibility counts
[19:29] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] artwork
[19:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  artwork
[19:29] <mr_pouit> Not an update, but a todo item: we need someone to update the slideshows displayed during the installation, they are badly outdated (they were made for karmic or lucid)
[19:29] <mr_pouit> (sorry, that was for marketing)
[19:29] <charlie-tca> valid point
[19:29] <ochosi> yeah, true
[19:29] <charlie-tca> that is artwork too
[19:29] <knome> artwork but documentation as well
[19:29] <charlie-tca> That just hits everything, huh?
[19:30] <knome> mmh
[19:30] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] find someone to update the slideshow
[19:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  find someone to update the slideshow
[19:30] <knome> i can work on the technical/artwork side
[19:30] <charlie-tca> ochosi: any updates?
[19:30] <knome> but i need somebody who knows natty
[19:30] <charlie-tca> I kind of know natty
[19:30] <ochosi> hm, yeah, small updates
[19:31] <ochosi> mr_pouit helped me figure out the last remaining issues for panel-plugins in greybird
[19:31] <charlie-tca> knome: we will get together somehow on it
[19:31] <ochosi> i think in alpha3 everything should work great
[19:31] <Sysi> i'll be testing natty (and i have archlinux with xfce 4.8)
[19:31] <ochosi> but the changes are not comitted yet
[19:32] <ochosi> i have to test it a bit more and and clean up the code for the panel in greybird (which i couldn't do yet since i was away till today)
[19:32] <ochosi> the xfwm theme is still missing the stick-button, but i'll add the one from bluebird for now, i think it'll work ok and then the xfwm-theme is also complete
[19:33] <charlie-tca> ochosi: can it be done by Feature Freeze on the 24th?
[19:33] <ochosi> those two items can be done, yes
[19:33] <ochosi> i'm also looking for problems in the icon theme
[19:33] <ochosi> so far everything seems ok
[19:34] <charlie-tca> ouch, I forgot, I got one more for you
[19:34] <ochosi> especially after i've done the appfinder-icon
[19:34] <ochosi> yes?
[19:34] <mr_pouit> (even if it's not fully ready, it's more bugfixes than new features, so it's ok to upload later imho)
[19:34] <charlie-tca> change the cursor color and size, it reverts to default in parts of the desktop and windows
[19:35] <ochosi> cursor-color and size means mouse-cursor?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:35] <ochosi> hm, to be honest i
[19:35] <ochosi> 've never dealt with the mouse pointer
[19:35] <charlie-tca> It will be the changed cursor in the window, then revert in the title bar
[19:35] <Sysi> charlie-tca: for what i know it's common 4.8 problem
[19:35] <charlie-tca> darn
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Sysi
[19:36] <Sysi> (have it on arch too)
[19:36] <ochosi> k, so i guess that's an upstream bugreport, not artwork :)
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Well, never mind then
[19:36] <mr_pouit> yeah, it was present in 4.6 already
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Any questions or comments for artwork?
[19:36] <Sysi> but it's after X restart too?
[19:37] <ochosi> ok, if anyone finds other missing or problematic icons in elementary (pulled from launchpad/bzr), please let me know
[19:37] <charlie-tca> It depends on the theme, Sysi
[19:38] <charlie-tca> some do it no matter what, others are not as bad when starting, but get worse over time
[19:38] <Sysi> still propably upstream thing
[19:38] <charlie-tca> yeah
[19:38] <charlie-tca> since it does spread itself over many themes
[19:38] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC]Discuss panel launchers for natty
[19:38] <MootBot> New Topic: Discuss panel launchers for natty
[19:38] <ochosi> ok, the generic icons/launchers should also be ready for natty, haven't tested them yet personally
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Are they in natty, or need to be downloaded?
[19:39] <ochosi> should be uploaded already
[19:39] <ochosi> right mr_pouit ?
[19:40] <knome> left charlie-tca
[19:40] <knome> har har
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I will be testing the images this weekend
[19:40] <knome> :)
[19:40] <ochosi> what a funny knome :)
[19:40] <ochosi> ok great
[19:40] <mr_pouit> yep, uploaded already
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Thank you, ochosi and mr_pouit
[19:41] <charlie-tca> anything else for the default launchers?
[19:41] <ochosi> my suggestion for panel items would be something like: Desktop | Browser Email Musicplayer Terminal Abiword | Folders and maybe Trash
[19:41] <ochosi> oh, and Software Center
[19:41] <Sysi> terminal in panel is.. handy but questionable
[19:42] <charlie-tca> software center ? people really use that?
[19:42] <Sysi> i think advertising it would be good
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I agree with the panel launcher list as presented then
[19:42] <ochosi> oh, and Appfinder
[19:42] <Sysi> if it fits our target groups
[19:43] <ochosi> ok
[19:43] <Sysi> personally i've never used appfinder, and would it give good picture about xubuntu?
[19:43] <charlie-tca> [IDEA] Default panel launchers to be Desktop | Browser Email Musicplayer Terminal Abiword SoftwareCenter Appfinder | Folders
[19:43] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Default panel launchers to be Desktop | Browser Email Musicplayer Terminal Abiword SoftwareCenter Appfinder | Folders
[19:44] <charlie-tca> appfinder is xfce specific and it is great
[19:44] <ochosi> +1
[19:44] <Sysi> though i don't see real promlems in about anything added to panel
[19:44] <ochosi> and: it will get even better in xfce 4.10
[19:44] <charlie-tca> It lets you find any app on the computer, whether or not they show in the menus
[19:45] <charlie-tca> and it is fast. I have been using in Natty, since we didn't have a menu when I upgraded.
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I did tell a gnome guy to use one day, that was bad
[19:46] <charlie-tca> s/use one/use appfinder one
[19:46] <charlie-tca> any other comments on launchers?
[19:46] <ochosi> sry people, g2g
[19:47] <ochosi> will read the log tomorrow
[19:47] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
[19:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements
[19:47] <charlie-tca> I have one announcement - Xfce is starting on 4.10 now, to be ready in January 2012.
[19:47] <charlie-tca> It will include Accessibility built in, if it goes according to plan
[19:48] <charlie-tca> and if it stays on schedule - ready for LTS release in April 2012
[19:48] <mr_pouit> thunar 1.3.0 is already out (first development release for 4.10)
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Thanks, ochosi
[19:49] <charlie-tca> late agaibn
[19:49] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[19:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[19:49] <charlie-tca> Does anyone have anything further for this meeting?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I propose we take up the strategy document starting in three weeks, a bit at a time.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> the meeting of March 10 is what I am thinking
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I want to thank everyone for attending and participating in this meeting.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> we will have another meeting in one week, 2011-02-24 at 19:00 UTC
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Thanks, all
[19:52] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[19:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:52.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> and we will need to discuss alternate meeting times later too
[20:06] <beardygnome> hi, is the meeting still going?
 Meeting finished at 13:52.
[20:08] <beardygnome> cheers, i'll catch up with charlie-tca in xubuntu-devel


[02:03] <Oli``> Any programmers in the room? I'm looking to get started programming GTK+ apps. I only moved to Linux full-time a couple of months ago but before then I was fairly accomplished with C#, Java, PHP and even C when I needed it... So yeah, I'm just looking for opinions on where to start =)
[02:23] <linxeh> Oli``: #ubuntu-offtopic for a start :)
[02:29] <Oli``> boo
[02:32] <linxeh> seriously :)
[02:32] <linxeh> this channel is for development / problems with Hardy
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Oli``: on applications that you like the look of, and can see where you'd like to imporve them
[02:39] <pwnguin> Oli``: add mime support to liferea ;)
[02:40] <pwnguin> or write a feature into rhythmbox to let me put a different playlist on default on startup
[02:55] <hwilde> jtt, if icewm is the thing that it might not be gdm it might be metacity
[02:56] <hwilde> jtt, i ran pure gnome with gdm and ti seems fine.  i ran kde with kdm and it was also fine.  xfce also works as does icewm.  the only thing i have found that crashes is metacity
[02:57] <hwilde> i can go into icewm and type in nautilus and it loads up most of gnome and that is also fine
[03:33] <tcpdumpgod> Hey guys whats goin gon.
[03:33] <tcpdumpgod> Going on*
[03:33] <crimsun> ok, time to get this alsa/oss4[.0] switcher off the ground.
[03:35] <tcpdumpgod> GOD having a shared hosting plan sucks.
[03:36] <tcpdumpgod> Dreamhost got mad at me for installing torrentflux to download FreeBSD BOOT ONLY ISOs!
[03:36] <Gnine> writing hardy-desktop-i386 to cd-r
[03:36] <Gnine> works on hardy
[03:37] <Gnine> matter of fact.. i need to test boot this one too..
[03:38] <tcpdumpgod> hmm
[04:46] <shirish> does anybody when bug 176487 is going to be resolved?
[04:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176487 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org uninstallable due to build failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176487
[04:46] <crimsun> shirish: yes, it will.
[04:47] <crimsun> consider that it is still holiday for the developer in charge of OO.o (Chris C.)
[04:47] <shirish> ok cool, thanx crimsun :)
[06:40] <Sonicadvance1> I'm having troubles sharing a folder, is this a known problem?
[09:51] <simonova> hardy isn't recognizing gtk+ libraries during ./configure in edubuntu
[09:52] <simonova> or at least for the program I'm trying to configure
[11:02] <yotux> Is there a fix for the borken  libstdc++6 out?
[11:02] <yotux> Or better yet a place that I can read about it
[13:35] <slipttees> yo everyone
[13:35] <slipttees> why ubuntu hardy don't going with cd/dvd burn "brasero" and irc client by default ?
[13:37] <slipttees> sorry my pour english :S
[14:04] <bazhang> for hardy? or 7.10?
[15:15] <Infecto> dous some one have familiar problems with touch pad on hardy?
[15:16] <Infecto> i cant move coursor smoothly
[15:16] <Infecto> when i try do it slowly
[15:16] <Infecto> on fast move works ok
[15:42] <shirish> anybody knows where martin pitti has moved his debug symbols repository?
[16:03] <geser> shirish: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-November/000355.html
[16:04] <shirish> geser: thanx, reading it as we speak
[16:42] <runge> hi. is there a list of what the developers think will be in hardy hardon?
[22:31] <bigon> Zdra: je genere comment les marshals moi :o
[22:31] <Zdra> bigon: wrong channel ?
[22:31] <bigon> damm
[22:39] <alex_mayorga> !b43
[22:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about b43 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:39] <cafuego> b43 is included in the 2.6.24+ kernels. You'll need firmware.
[22:41] <alex_mayorga> can you please elaborate, I updated from feisty but the restricted manger still pulls bcm
[22:41] <alex_mayorga> thanks in advance
[22:41] <cafuego> That's fine then. Gutsy uses bcm43xx.
[22:41] <cafuego> Just use bcm43xx-fwcutter
[22:42] <alex_mayorga> I missed to point that from gutsy I jumped to hardy, how do I go from bcm to b43?
[22:43] <cafuego> Use the b43-fwcutter and make sure bcm43xx doesn't load (you can blacklist it)
[22:43] <cafuego> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43  has all the info.
[22:43] <alex_mayorga> in hardy, restricted manager still tries to pull bcm and no b43, is that a known bug?
[22:43] <alex_mayorga> I'll check that link, thanks
[22:45] <cafuego> Dunno, not using hardy.
[22:48] <alex_mayorga> cafuego, how do I do the blacklisting?
[22:48] <alex_mayorga> can I apt renove bcm?
[22:48] <cafuego> aladd an entry to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist


[08:25] <mypapit> wtf
[08:25] <mypapit> wtffff!!!!!!!!!
[08:25] <mypapit> wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:25] <mypapit> outta here!
[08:25] <mypapit> exit


[00:42] <bazhang> floodbot fails to mute flooder
[04:06] <maco> nick in #ubuntu: sexcopter ... is this ok?
[04:06] <maco> or inappropriate?
[04:06] <maco> (im leaning toward the latter)
[04:11] <maco> elky, bazhang ?
[04:12] <bazhang> maco, hi
[04:12] <maco> bazhang: hi :)
[04:12] <maco> bazhang: wondering what you think of that nick
[04:12] <bazhang> maco, seems okay
[04:12] <maco> ok
[04:12] <elky> i've noted the inappropriateness before
[04:13] <maco> ok
[05:08] <mneptok> darthanubis: how can we help?
[05:09] <darthanubis> I was told not to advise anyone to "google it" as it was not in the spirit of the coc.
[05:09] <mneptok> that's correct
[05:09] <darthanubis> I was told I would be reported for doing so.
[05:09] <mneptok> !google
[05:10] <darthanubis> i understand that.
[05:10] <darthanubis> Which brings me to why I am here.
[05:10] <mneptok> OK ...
[05:10] <darthanubis> I believe one of "your own" has violated the same terms in order to be an ass.
[05:11] <darthanubis> If it is not right, it is not right. And for one with power to stoop to such a level should be noted
[05:11] <mneptok> fell free to pastebin a full log that shows complete context
[05:11] <mneptok> *feel
 darthanubis, http://tinyurl.com/2c9np
[05:11] <darthanubis> oops ok log...hmmm
[05:12] <mneptok> darthanubis: what channel?
[05:12]  * mneptok can /lastlog
[05:12] <darthanubis> #ubuntu-mythtv
[05:12] <mneptok> ah, not in that channel.
[05:13] <mneptok> and AFAIK, that channel is not run by the -ops team you see represented here. thus, we're not really in a position to say how it should be run. but my memory be faulty on that point.
[05:14] <darthanubis> http://pastebin.com/m224488cf
[05:15] <mneptok> when did this occur?
[05:15] <darthanubis> exactly an hour ago
[05:15] <darthanubis> I would not have seen it had I not been running a fresh copy of xchat
[05:15] <darthanubis> he knew he was in my killfile
[05:16] <darthanubis> so I guess it was supposed to be an inside joke
[05:17] <mneptok> i'm not seeing in the official logs yet, but it may be delayed.
[05:17] <mneptok> i'll have a talk to foxbuntu about his/her conduct in *buntu channels.
[05:17] <mneptok> you are correct, ops should have more respect for CoC and IRC Guidelines issues than most
[05:18] <tsimpson> mneptok: I see it in the logs
[05:18] <darthanubis> sorry xchat crashed
[05:18] <mneptok> i'm not seeing in the official logs yet, but it may be delayed.
[05:18] <mneptok> i'll have a talk to foxbuntu about his/her conduct in *buntu channels.
[05:19] <mneptok> you are correct, ops should have more respect for CoC and IRC Guidelines issues than most
[05:19] <darthanubis> ty
[05:19] <mneptok> ^^ what you may have missed ^^
[05:19] <darthanubis> I'll reconfig my ignore list
[05:19] <mneptok> tsimpson: ah, it's in the .html but not the .txt log
[05:19] <tsimpson> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/05/%23ubuntu-mythtv.txt
[05:19] <tsimpson> it's there
[05:20] <mneptok> tsimpson: ah so. must have just updated.
[05:20] <mneptok> or my Firefox cache is wonky. but that would be strange for Firefox to be wonky.
[05:20] <mneptok> (i know, i know. i'll clean up the sarcasm stains ....)
[05:21] <tsimpson> :)
[05:21] <mneptok> PM sent to foxbuntu
[05:57] <tsimpson> hello Roasted
[05:57] <Roasted> hail hitler
[05:58] <tsimpson> are you willing to discuss this like adults?
[05:58] <Roasted> as long as you're willing to not be so uptight
[05:58] <Roasted> I have zero tolerance anymore for "discussing" things when I just get banned left and right.
[05:58] <tsimpson> do you know the channel rules for #kubuntu?
[05:59] <Roasted> yes, you must talk about kubuntu in there
[05:59] <Roasted> as I was
[05:59] <Roasted> yet, a ban occured
[05:59] <tsimpson> no, it's for kubuntu support only
[05:59] <tsimpson> not discussion
[05:59] <Roasted> wah
[05:59] <Roasted> you gotta be kidding me if it'll be taken that far
[05:59] <tsimpson> I told you to move the discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic, you refuse
[05:59] <Roasted> tsimpson, my previous comment still stands
[06:00] <Roasted> lighten up a little and be an example to the rest of the ops so a more positive opinion can be formed from the users of those chat rooms.
[06:00] <tsimpson> did you read the topic in the channel, first part "Official Kubuntu support", another part "Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic"
[06:00] <Roasted> all I hear are negative things towards the anal ego driven ban hammer antics that go on there
[06:00] <Roasted> and I can't help but to hark on how dead-on right they are
[06:00] <tsimpson> again, name-calling will not help you
[06:00] <Roasted> name calling it nor, I call it like it is
[06:00] <Roasted> and it is what it is
[06:01] <tsimpson> did you read the topic or not?
[06:02] <Roasted> yes........
[06:03] <tsimpson> so you know that chat goes in #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:04] <Roasted> we were on topic
[06:04] <Roasted> of kubuntu
[06:04] <Roasted> period
[06:04] <Roasted> done
[06:04] <Roasted> over
[06:04] <Roasted> fact
[06:05] <tsimpson> I guess you are not willing to discuss it then
[06:05] <Roasted> I'm not going to sit here and discuss all evening about how I feel as though the ops are, as a general concensus, "uptight" to put it nicely.
[06:06] <Roasted> I hope you consider taking my advice, or at least acknowledge where I (and the vast majority of the users of these channels) are coming from.
[06:06] <tsimpson> thanks for your time then, you're free to part this channel
[06:06] <Roasted> Every time I have a question, I get re-directed elsewhere, no matter how relevant it is.
[06:06] <Roasted> Problem with Samba? Go to the Samba chat (even though it's on an Ubuntu server)
[06:07] <Roasted> Problem with this? Go here. Problem with that? Go there. Let's just forget Ubuntu exists if that's the case.
[06:07] <mneptok> you have a problem with the ops. no one told you not to use this channel to discuss them.
[06:07] <mneptok> period
[06:07] <mneptok> over
[06:07] <mneptok> fact
[06:07] <mneptok> done
[06:07] <Roasted> well
[06:07] <Roasted> actually
[06:07] <tsimpson> actually, I did ;)
[06:07] <Roasted> someone did
[06:07] <Roasted> period
[06:07] <Roasted> over
[06:07] <Roasted> fact
[06:07] <Roasted> done
[06:07] <Roasted> LOL
[06:07] <Roasted> sit down...
[06:07] <mneptok> no, no one told you not to discuss them.
[06:08] <tsimpson> I'm done discussing this anyway
[06:08] <mneptok> you're just unwilling to have a discussion
[06:08] <mneptok> you want to rant. i'm sure you can find better places to do that.
[06:08] <Roasted> this discussion did not involve you, so I really have no interest in you being part of it. Thank you for understanding.
[06:08] <tsimpson> unless Roasted wants to discuss this in a civilised manner, I don't think we'll make any progress
[06:09] <Roasted> all I'm saying is, lighten up a little bit guys. Us (the users) get annoyed when having to go to different chats for different things when we're all using Ubuntu/Kubuntu. That's why we go to those chats. That's why they exist.
[06:09] <Roasted> I'm done discussing this. I encourage you folks to at least understand where I'm coming from, because I do speak for quite a lot of people, just based on the users I've talked to from the chats.
[06:12] <tsimpson> @mark #ubuntu-ops Roasted unwilling to discuss ban in #k
[06:22]  * mneptok tootles off to bed
[07:15] <bazhang> zen was doing this yesterday, so I joined him in #ubuntu-cn and the behaviour persisted even in his native language.
[08:33] <bazhang> anyone watching -ot  ?
 my uncle won an asian in the lottery
[08:41] <bazhang> ready to call the ops in there.
[08:41] <Flannel> I'm awake now!
[08:42] <Tm_T> Flannel: what day it is today?
[08:42] <Flannel> Tm_T: Depends, which version of "today" do you subscribe to?
[08:42] <Tm_T> Flannel: what you think is today for you (:
[08:43] <Flannel> Today for me is Friday, even though it's 12:45
[08:43] <bazhang> talk of warez, 'jailbait' etc
[08:43] <Tm_T> Flannel: you're awake indeed, you may proceed.
[08:43]  * Tm_T hides
[08:45] <bazhang> shalon in #kubuntu
[08:50] <Tm_T> bazhang: not anymore
[08:50] <bazhang> Tm_T, I saw :)
[09:26] <bazhang> have him in PM
[09:43] <Tm_T> tsimpson: thanks
[09:43] <tsimpson> :)
[09:43] <Flannel> BT is down
[09:45] <tsimpson> works here
[09:45] <tsimpson> slow as usual, but works
[09:45] <Flannel> hmm
[09:45] <Flannel> there it goes.  I got a DB error or whatnot a minute ago
[09:46] <bazhang> yikes
[10:32] <jussi01> Flannel: db error doesnt mean "its down", just that its overloaded. :D
[12:11] <jpds> ubot2 down for a while while it's network gets played with. :)
[13:13]  * MenZa plays with jpds' network
[15:38] <mdeonte> elky, ping
[15:39] <bazhang> mdeonte, doubt if she is around, it is very late where she is
[15:39] <mdeonte> 'she'?
[15:39] <mdeonte> i didnt know that
[15:40] <mdeonte> bazhang, what time should I come back?
[15:40] <bazhang> mdeonte, when were you asked to come here, or were you
[15:41] <mdeonte> bazhang, I wasn't told a specific date to come back
[15:48] <bazhang> mdeonte, I am not familiar with your issue. I thought you had to exhibit behaviour that would lead to a consideration of removing your ban
[15:49] <mdeonte> bazhang, Yeeah, that is it. I just dont know like how to do that, I have been on other channels helping  people and everything I just dont know if she wants me showing an example of every time or what
[15:49] <mdeonte> idk
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> !lubuntu
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> @whoami
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> ...
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> !Lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> @login
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> !Lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> !Lubuntu
[20:22]  * tonyyarusso is confused
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> Is the bot developing load issues again?
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> !lubuntu
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> There
[20:29] <jpds> maco: 20:28:36 [Freenode] [<EMAIL_ADDRESS>] ~_~
[20:29] <jpds> maco: 20:28:57 [Freenode] [<EMAIL_ADDRESS>] its okay rofl.. i will talk in english :)
[20:29] <maco> i see
[20:31] <niko> jpds: a kid
[20:32] <jpds> niko: That's no excuse.
[20:32] <niko> sure
[21:38] <mdeonte> elky, you there/
[21:51] <jrib> mneptok: especially if you can't navigate to ~/Desktop ...
[21:51] <mneptok> jrib: no kidding
[22:47] <guntbert> Hi, is the factoid: network	<alias> wifi really sensible?
[22:52] <tonyyarusso> guntbert: unless you have a better idea, yes.  Otherwise, maybe.
[22:53] <guntbert> tonyyarusso: I don't have a formulated idea, but it seems that not all networking issues can be reduced to wireless problems
[22:55] <tonyyarusso> That's true.
[22:57] <guntbert> tonyyarusso: but as I have no better idea and am too tired to work one out - "I'll leave it all up to you" :-) maybe someone comes up with something sensible
[22:58] <MenZa> I don't think there are any wiki-pages dedicated to networking in general...
[22:59] <guntbert> thx for all the work - g'Night
[23:00] <tonyyarusso> aw phooey, I think that was actually a typo :(
[23:02] <jrib> tonyyarusso: yeah, I hesitated trying to remember if c was next to s on qwerty
[23:04] <tonyyarusso> jrib: I shot first, asked questions later, and saw that /lastlog were legitimate questions.
[23:04] <maco> c is not next to s on qwerty
[23:05] <maco> its on the next row down and one finger over
[23:05] <tonyyarusso> maco: no, but it is darn close.
[23:17] <zero-day_> sorry guys
[23:17] <jrib> zero-day_: for what?
[23:17] <mneptok> offtopicness
[23:17] <zero-day_> yes, for that
[23:17] <zero-day_> but I'm 7 years old :(
[23:17] <mneptok> zero-day_: you were told multiple times that #ubuntu is a support channel.
[23:18] <zero-day_> sorry
[23:18] <mneptok> zero-day_: well, you just learned the "there are consequences for your actions" lesson
[23:18] <niko> mneptok: lag ?
[23:18] <mneptok> hm?
[23:21] <zero-day> how do I connect with other servers?
[23:21] <zero-day> HEY!
[23:28] <tonyyarusso> Sell your GOOG stock everyone, apparently the R&D department's latest plan is just to have people ask #ubuntu-ops.
[23:40] <tonyyarusso> "17:39:16 < petur_> AND THA NK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, WILL  SEND FLOWERS
[23:41] <tonyyarusso> You know, it would actually be kind of cool if there were a way to make a pool of people pitching in a buck or two and naming their favorite helper of the day, and when people reached a certain threshold, they'd get sent flowers from "The #ubuntu people"
[23:53] <zero-day> hello
[23:57] <zero-day> people
[23:57] <zero-day> please!
[23:57] <zero-day> help
[23:57] <zero-day> me
[23:57] <zero-day> how do I connect in other servers?
[23:57] <maco> zero-day: state your problem
[23:58] <maco> zero-day: read your irc client's documentation?
[23:58] <zero-day> no docs
[23:58] <maco> this has nothing to do with the rules of the ubuntu channels
[23:58] <zero-day> ok
[23:58] <zero-day> please this is just an off topic
[23:58] <zero-day> help me common
[23:58] <maco> what client is it?
[23:58] <zero-day> XChat
[23:59] <maco> look in the menus. theres a networks menu isnt htere?
[23:59] <zero-day> yes
[23:59] <maco> poke around that
[23:59] <maco> you could also ask this in #ubuntu where it would be on-topic
[23:59] <zero-day> but I want to connect in a Hacking community
[23:59] <zero-day> so, do you know any?


[00:02] <micahg> genii-around: that's a bug most likely
[00:02] <micahg> not being able to have both that is
[00:03] <genii-around> micahg: Previously I was able to have regular ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu and kubuntu. Now I'm down to kubuntu and lubuntu
[00:03] <micahg> right, so that's a bug
[00:04] <micahg> genii-around: I can install all 4 together in a chroot
[00:04] <micahg> you must have something installed blocking
[00:04] <genii-around> Yes, perhaps
[00:04] <micahg> n
[00:05] <micahg> genii-around: you can run the install command with -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true and see what's causing the issue
[00:05] <genii-around> micahg: Well, perhaps tomorrow...I'm sort of off the clock right now
[00:06] <micahg> genii-around: sure, at your leisure
[00:20] <ochosi> Unit193: your seconds last pretty long! :)
[03:08] <Unit193> ochosi: Yeah, sorry about that, I was working on a computer that bluescreened right after.
[04:00] <Unit193> ochosi: It also appeared to be already marked as confirmed.
[09:24] <ochosi> Unit193: i guess you didn't read the bugreport... anyway, it's not confirmed for 12.10
[09:25] <hobgoblin> ochosi: I am now running 12.10 all the time ;)
[09:25] <Unit193> I did a little, but I didn't want to add rather than confirm something when I don't know.  (Not the best with bugs)
[09:26]  * hobgoblin had a doozy yesterday - install failed
[09:26] <ochosi> hobgoblin: ah ok, can you quickly open abiword with greybird?
[09:27] <hobgoblin> with one of your new themes or just greybird normal?
[09:27] <ochosi> greybird normal suffices
[09:27] <hobgoblin> 2 secs - need to reinstall it lol
[09:28] <hobgoblin> not sure when I removed that?
[09:28] <ochosi> i guess directly after installing 12.10 :D
[09:28] <hobgoblin> ochosi: k - opened it
[09:29] <hobgoblin> yea probably :)
[09:29] <ochosi> screenie please :)
[09:30] <hobgoblin> http://imagebin.org/219522
[09:30] <hobgoblin> looks a bit odd
[09:30] <ochosi> hobgoblin: could you upload that screenie to bug #948128 and say that you can confirm it for 12.10 ?
[09:31] <hobgoblin> done
[09:31] <ochosi> thanks!
[09:31] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:32] <hobgoblin> atm all I have noticed in here is the odd grey things in some menus - there's a bug for it already I believe
[09:34] <hobgoblin> anyone using liferea - that seems to ignore fonts I tell the sytem to use
[09:35] <ochosi> hobgoblin: screenshot of that please?
[09:35] <ochosi> (i mean of the odd grey things in the menus)
[09:36] <hobgoblin> hang on
[09:36] <hobgoblin> bah can't remember where I saw it now - when I remember I will ping you with the screenie
[09:37] <ochosi> please do so
[09:40] <hobgoblin> I remembered - audacious - http://imagebin.org/219523
[09:40] <hobgoblin> ochosi: ^^
[09:40] <ochosi> hobgoblin: are you using greybird's bright-menus branch from git right now?
[09:41] <hobgoblin> no - just the normal greybird - you want me to check with that one?
[09:41] <ochosi> yes, please
[09:41] <hobgoblin> that's fine
[09:43] <hobgoblin> looks perfectly ok with that theme
[09:43] <ochosi> great
[09:44] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:44] <hobgoblin> other than the white and blue that I don't personally like much - but that's not a bug :)
[09:45] <ochosi> what white and what blue?
[09:46] <hobgoblin> the white background and blue highlights
[09:46] <ochosi> in the menus?
[09:46] <hobgoblin> yea
[09:46] <ochosi> right
[09:46] <hobgoblin> but that's a personal thing :)
[09:46] <ochosi> have you tried to use it before?
[09:46] <hobgoblin> yea - a while ago when you were first asking people
[09:46] <ochosi> ok
[09:47] <ochosi> personally i think that it grows on you once you use it on a daily basis
[09:47] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:47] <hobgoblin> the best thing I remember from 11.10 to 12.04 was the all grey terminal - loved that :)
[09:47] <ochosi> yeah, that's still there
[09:48] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:48] <hobgoblin> I'll leave the new greybird as it is, get some sunglasses and report back if I get to be ok without them :D
[09:49] <ochosi> hehe
[09:49] <ochosi> please do so
[09:49] <ochosi> for me the menus got so much easier to read after a day or two
[09:49] <hobgoblin> ok
[09:49]  * hobgoblin feels like rat in a cage lol
[09:49] <ochosi> hehe
[09:49] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:50] <ochosi> well as soon as you don't expect them to be dark anymore, it'll get easier ;)
[09:50] <hobgoblin> LOL
[10:20] <hobgoblin> ochosi: with your new sunglasses theme - http://imagebin.org/219527
[10:20] <ochosi> hobgoblin: it's not my fault if you keep your themes in ~/.themes
[10:20] <hobgoblin> oh yea - sorry
[10:20] <ochosi> ;)
[10:20] <hobgoblin> move it to where as root lol ?
[10:21] <ochosi> /usr/share/themes
[10:21] <hobgoblin> thanks :)
[10:21] <ochosi> np
[10:23] <hobgoblin> that's better then :)
[10:41] <astraljava> How is that better?
[10:42] <hobgoblin> cos it looks ok now?
[10:43] <astraljava> Ok. Is ~/.themes/ not supported anymore?
[10:43] <hobgoblin> it works ok and is fine till you run soemthing as root
[10:43] <hobgoblin> I assume
[10:44] <ochosi> yeah
[10:45] <ochosi> themes in ~./themes are not used for applications run as root (those have to be in /usr/share/themes)
[10:48] <astraljava> Oh... yeah that makes sense.
[11:51] <ochosi> astraljava: btw, do you think the display-dialog deadline is still realistic?
[12:31] <astraljava> ochosi: I don't see why not. Two full days (Sat. and Sun.) plus the evenings of today and tomorrow. It's not a very huge feature, after all.
[12:31] <ochosi> astraljava: ok great!
[14:13] <mr_pouit> fwiw, we don't get many precise bug reports because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1001630
[15:34] <astraljava> Thanks for the heads-up, mr_pouit!
[15:46] <ochosi> nasty bug that prevents reporting of bugs...
[15:46] <ochosi> the socalled "bug of bugs"


[03:08] <Paul_Q> hi
[03:08] <usb-hell> anyone ?
[03:09] <usb-hell> hi can anyone help me out? I have a usb that will not write...iv'd
[03:09] <usb-hell> sudo -r0 hdparm /dev/sxx, ive tried using dd, fdisk ,etc...to no
[03:09] <usb-hell> avail. keeps saying the usb is in 'read only mode' ...ive tried on
[03:09] <usb-hell> other computers, windows too- same problem
[03:09] <usb-hell> i can read ,open, and otherwise access the usb contents- just can't
[03:09] <usb-hell> format or write to it.
[03:10] <usb-hell> sorry...i dont know why went multiple lines like that
[03:12] <usb-hell> lol
[03:12] <usb-hell> a
[03:12] <usb-hell> s


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[13:30] <paul_> hi everyone
[13:31] <paul_> anyone can help me with the ubuntu installation on a lenovo laptop with win 8 ?
[13:31] <paul_> i get grub-install fatal error


[00:35] <WildnQIk> whats the command to get cc installed?
[00:36] <xtknight> WildnQIk,  as in c compiler?  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[00:37] <xtknight> i should say, C++ compiler
[02:01] <hydrogen> and c as well
[05:50] <IdleOne> !hardware
[05:50] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[06:00] <DrUnKnMuNkY> is there any way to install hardy alongside gutsy other than dual booting? i'd like to give it a try but still need a functional computer in case it doesn't work at all
[06:06] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, vmware or other similar software?
[06:11] <DrUnKnMuNkY> DarkMageZ: that's what i was thinking would be the only way to install it. i think i'll just wait a couple more releases before I try it out. stability-wise, is it what you'd normally expect from an alpha 1 release?
[06:13] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, to be honest. i've been using alpha 1 as my primary & production desktop system. the only problems that it has that gutsy doesn't or doesn't suffer anywhere near as bad with is setting the wallpaper and configuring the network interfaces.
[06:19] <DrUnKnMuNkY> DarkMageZ: I've found the networking stuff, especially wireless, to be pretty unreliable already. how much worse is it?
[06:20] <DarkMageZ> DrUnKnMuNkY, can't configure static ip addreses on ethernet cards :P
[06:20] <DarkMageZ> that's how bad =D
[06:20] <DarkMageZ> unless you do it using the command line
[06:34] <choudesh> anyone around?
[06:37] <Tm_T> nope
[07:38] <DanaG> Hmm, what should I do to fix the keyboard-laggy cfs scheduler?
[07:40] <DanaG> Actually, it may be compiz+nvidia doing it.
[07:42] <DanaG> Nope, still slow even with Metacity.
[07:56] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Why do you think it's a problem with the scheduler?
[07:57] <DanaG> Well, I only have the lagginess when booted into 2.6.24, I think.
[07:57] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Have you tried the nv driver, or vesa?
[07:58] <DanaG> I'll give it a try right now.  Hold on.
[07:58] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Also, how laggy?
[07:59] <DanaG> Nice: nv silently ignores any parameters that nvidia takes but nv doesn
[07:59] <DanaG> doesn't use, rather than just freaking out and saying "unknown option".
[08:00] <DanaG> hMM, nv still seems slightly sluggish.
[08:00] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention:  I do run two instances of Folding@Home in the background, niced to +19.
[08:00] <Jordan_U> DanaG, More sluggish than you would expect nv to be?
[08:00] <DanaG> There's still lag on typing.
[08:01] <DanaG> I've never used plain nv, so I don't have anything to compare it to.
[08:01] <DanaG> Oddly, moving windows is NOT laggy.
[08:01] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Ahh, and without them running do you have the same problem? If so I agree it's probably cfs
[08:01] <DanaG> Yeah, without them it's fine.
[08:01] <DanaG> I noticed that because I have acpi-support stop them when on battery.
[08:02] <Jordan_U> DanaG, 2 instances because folding@home only uses one core? ( just curious )
[08:02] <DanaG> Well, it is slightly less sluggish with nv, but not entirely better.
[08:02] <DanaG> Yeah.
[08:02] <DanaG> The SMP version can't save progress, so it's only good for long-uptime systems.
[08:03] <DanaG> Actually, when using nv, there's not a big change between with and without F@H running.
[08:03] <DanaG> So it must partly be nvidia's issue.
[08:04] <Jordan_U> DanaG, strange
[08:05] <Jordan_U> Is gnome-screensaver still redirected with compiz enabled for security reasons in Hardy?
[08:06] <DanaG> Also, to get nvidia to compile on 2.6.24, I had to do the "really ugly hack" of undef'ing CONFIG_PARAVIRT in the nvidia module sources.
[08:06] <DanaG> http://fixunix.com/kernel/250765-regression-2-6-24-breaks-nvidia-amd-ati-binary-drivers-exporting-paravirt-symbols-gpl.html
[08:07] <DanaG> I can't quite tell what's the fault of cfs and what's the fault of nv.
[08:07] <DanaG> But now that I try stopping F@H again, it does improve when I stop it.
[08:28] <ysth1> does gutsy have a newer version of OO.o than hardy?
[08:28] <ysth1> hmm.
[11:03] <bazhang> !info open office
[11:03] <ubotu> Package open does not exist in hardy
[12:57] <fenrig> hi
[12:57] <fenrig> i need to check something
[12:58] <fenrig> can somebody tell me how i can find the newest madwifi package for hardy
[12:58] <fenrig> i mean
[12:58] <fenrig> what is the madwifi package version of hardy
[12:58] <BUGabundo> check with apg-cache show
[12:59] <fenrig> i'm running gutsy
[12:59] <sque> fenrig check on site: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:59] <fenrig> ths
[12:59] <fenrig> thx
[12:59] <sque> you can query ALL packets of ubuntu for any version
[13:03] <fenrig> where can i download hardy
[13:03] <fenrig> i know alpha 1 was released
[13:03] <BUGabundo> do you want the iso
[13:03] <BUGabundo> or just do an upgrade?
[13:04] <fenrig> iso
[13:04] <BUGabundo> for an upgrade just run sudo update-manager -d
[13:04] <BUGabundo> for iso
[13:04] <BUGabundo> go to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:04] <BUGabundo> for daily iso
[13:04] <Hobbsee> daily iso's won't be working, i expect.
[13:04] <fenrig> daily???
[13:04] <Hobbsee> fenrig: hardy final is not released.
[13:04] <BUGabundo> or releases.ubuntu.com for releases (like gutsy, alphas, beta) etc
[13:04] <fenrig> hobbsee: i know that
[13:04] <fenrig> question
[13:05] <BUGabundo> question away, fenrig
[13:05] <fenrig> i can't just install the new madwifi package from hardy in feisty can i
[13:05] <fenrig> because i see that the depencies have changed
[13:06] <Hobbsee> correct.
[13:06] <fenrig> damn
[13:06] <fenrig> so i need gutsy
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: You can just get madwifi from the madwifi svn (trunk if you want to use 2.6.24)
[13:07] <fenrig> are there already fundemental changes in gutsy?
[13:07] <fenrig> because i've heard it just has new packages
[13:07] <h3sp4wn> This is the hardy channel
[13:07] <fenrig> new packages=updated packages
[13:07] <fenrig> sorry hardy
[13:08] <fenrig> i'm still using the gutsy alpha
[13:08] <fenrig> :S the only cd i could find
[13:08] <fenrig> laptop :D
[13:09] <fenrig> my desktop is the final release of gutsy
[13:09] <h3sp4wn> Some stuff might not work properly (But that is also the case with gutsy which is supposed to be stable so)
[13:10] <fenrig> are their serious bugs in Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1
[13:10] <BUGabundo> ehehe h3sp4wn
[13:10] <fenrig> ?
[13:10] <BUGabundo> don't be meant to gutsy!!
[13:10] <BUGabundo> I can live with them h3sp4wn
[13:10] <fenrig> ubuntu is build of debian unstable
[13:10] <fenrig> isn't it
[13:10] <BUGabundo> but I still don't know way gnome hibernate won't work
[13:11] <BUGabundo> it seems to use pmi action and that doesn't work
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: debian unstable is usually more stable
[13:11] <fenrig> its still work in progress
[13:11] <BUGabundo> but pm-hibernate works like a sharm
[13:11] <fenrig> is that so??
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: (Given you don't use junk hardware)
[13:12] <fenrig> my brother bought a laptop 2 months ago
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> fenrig: And you read the bug tracker
[13:12] <fenrig> :D
[13:12] <fenrig> and vista is down already
[13:12] <fenrig> vista is supah unstable
[13:13] <h3sp4wn> I think with anything hardware quality is important
[13:14] <fenrig> :)
[13:14] <fenrig> like my desktop
[13:14] <fenrig> nvidia gpu
[13:14] <fenrig> amd 64 +3800 processor
[13:14] <fenrig> etc
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> nvidia is mostly reliable - at least recently the nvidia cards I have used have left much to be desired with regards to image quality though
[13:20] <fenrig> :D
[13:20] <fenrig> and 3d (wine, linux games,...) have great quality
[13:21] <fenrig> my fps are mostly up with 10 when comparing to windows
[13:21] <fenrig> i'm going to install Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) Alpha 1
[13:21] <fenrig> is it a good idea
[13:21] <fenrig> its just a package renewal right?
[13:21] <BUGabundo> much have changed since the alpha 1 come out
[13:22] <BUGabundo> there are a few apps that won't work properly
[13:22] <fenrig> like?
[13:22] <BUGabundo> and ppl have been having trouble with there touchpads
[13:22] <fenrig> rythmbox
[13:22] <fenrig> touchpads...
[13:22] <BUGabundo> 'cause of the new X 7.3
[13:22] <fenrig> well no probl
[13:22] <fenrig> i've a usb mouse
[13:23] <fenrig> ohh yeah
[13:23] <BUGabundo> the new X and the new xrand were the main goal why I upgraded
[13:23] <fenrig> what exactly doesnt work
[13:23] <Hobbsee> touchpads?  havent' seen it here
[13:23] <fenrig> i mean
[13:23] <BUGabundo> but still doesn't seem to make much difference
[13:23] <fenrig> does ff work rythmbox, wine,...
[13:23] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: no scroll
[13:24] <fenrig> ff=firefox
[13:24] <BUGabundo> FF no prob, wine works, ryth I don't use
[13:24] <fenrig> can i check it?
[13:24] <BUGabundo> I have all browsers working great
[13:24] <fenrig> can u check it
[13:24] <fenrig> i use epiphany
[13:24] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: oh, that's fixable.
[13:24] <BUGabundo> ff 2.0 , 3.0, opera , swiftfox, konqueror etc
[13:24] <Hobbsee> ryth works OK, if you actually like it.
[13:24] <fenrig> thx hobbsee
[13:25] <fenrig> i use it daily
[13:25] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: I know it is, just copy my gutsy xorg.conf
[13:25] <BUGabundo> as I mention on LP
[13:26] <fenrig> BUGabundo: so there s something wrong with making those configs?
[13:26] <Dannilion> Should I get my usb mouse ready, and clear my laptop table? :p
[13:26]  * Dannilion is in the process of upgrading
[13:27] <Hobbsee> all you need is "    InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad""
[13:28]  * Dannilion wonders if Hardy will fix the sound problem that wasn't there with feisty but was with gutsy
[13:29] <BUGabundo> Dannilion: do you have a toshiba?
[13:29] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: so can I just have a xorg.conf with that?
[13:29] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: there is a deafult already there
[13:29] <Hobbsee> just add it
[13:29] <BUGabundo> even after I use displayconfig-gtk?
[13:29] <Dannilion> Nope-
[13:30] <Dannilion> Acer Aspire 5630
[13:30] <h3sp4wn> Dannilion: Does just buildint the updated alsa fix it (1.0.15) ?
[13:30] <BUGabundo> I have a friend here with a toshiba and the volume is just toooooooooo low
[13:30] <Dannilion> wouldn't know- it's not such a major problem I went out looking for a fix
[13:30] <BUGabundo> even with hardy kernel
[13:31] <Dannilion> (my problem is that pressing the Fn+up or down keys is meant to change the volume, but doesn't since upgrading to Gutsy)
[13:31] <Dannilion> but I can easily work around that, so it's not too bad a problem
[14:45] <dholbach>  * Riddell bigs up Kubuntu Tutorials Day in half an hour in #kubuntu-devel https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[14:45]  * dholbach passes on the message. :-)
[15:39] <c0mp13371331337> So is Hardy going to have a 'showstopping' app this time around?  Much like Compiz Fusion of Gutsy, will there be one new program that really defines the release?
[15:43] <hydrogen> likely not
[15:43] <void^> not really, it's lts
[15:43] <hydrogen> because its a lts release
[15:43] <hydrogen> the focus is going to be on stability (which means anything but compiz)
[15:44] <c0mp13371331337> Hahaha, I see.  Hydrogen, when you say anything but, does that mean they're nixing Compiz for this release?
[15:51] <hydrogen> no
[17:12] <pwnguin> how did i miss linux-backport-drivers?
[18:32] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm still curious why a nice +19 process is bogging down the rest of the system under CFS, when it didn't have that issue under whatever the previous default was.
[18:38] <h3sp4wn> pwnguin: maybe you never needed them before ?
[18:38] <h3sp4wn> backports suck for the most part
[18:40] <DanaG> How do you change which scheduler is being used?
[18:43] <DanaG> Ugh, it's like being on a very old systems.
[18:44] <DanaG> er, system.  Can't type weell with such severe typing lag.
[18:48] <DanaG> Okay, that's odd.... uhci-hcd was causing a helluvalot of interrupts.
[18:50] <DanaG> And using about 50% of one CPU core, it seems.
[18:53] <DanaG> But now my F@H is still bogging down everything else.
[19:30] <pwnguin> h3sp4wn: driver backports?
[19:30] <pwnguin> suck?
[19:30] <h3sp4wn> pwnguin: yep if you want the driver use the newer kernel
[19:31] <pwnguin> meh
[19:31] <pwnguin> nvidia drivers
[19:31] <pwnguin> outta have a backport repo or something
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> You can make your own backport easily
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> (from the debian "nvidia-graphics-drivers" source (be in either sid or experimental)
[19:36] <pwnguin> will note
[19:36] <pwnguin> still, it'd be nice if someone went to the effort of publishing this within ubuntu
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> You have to remember to build the kernel module also (m-a a-i nvidia)
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> But its easy
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> pwnguin: I doubt they would let that information be added to ubotu
[21:44] <Dannilion> Squee! I have found bugs
[21:54] <DarkMageZ> Dannilion, bugs? really!
[21:55] <Dannilion> Yeah!
[21:55] <Dannilion> And trying to report them to launchpad resulted in big crash!
[21:59] <DanaG> Heh, I see Dannilion, I think of yogurt.
[22:00] <h3sp4wn> How can I tell whether or not I can theoretically have HPET (and whether the force enable patches are useful to me)
[22:00] <DanaG> dmesg | grep HPET  , for one.
[22:00] <Dannilion> Okay, explain the connection between my username and yoghurt, please :)
[22:01] <h3sp4wn> and is the force enable patch already in 2.6.24
[22:01] <DanaG> Take out the "illi".
[22:01] <Dannilion> ohh
[22:02] <DanaG> My laptop already has HPET enabled in the DSDT, so I wouldn't be able to test the force-enable thingy.
[22:04] <DanaG> That's one thing I'd have to consider for my next laptop: is it rare to have it implemented properly, or is it rare to have it NOT implemented properly?
[22:05] <DanaG> I know some Dell notebooks have broken DSDTs in that regard, but I'm curious how many others have it broken.
[22:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, there'll also be a /dev/hpet, it seems, but I don't know what uses it.
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what things USE hpet, that I can directly see?
[23:41] <Eja> hi
[23:41] <Eja> www.publicpet.gr/ejavaqel/vote Unbelievable?
[23:52] <DanaG> I wish I could fix the slowness that CFS seems to cause when under heavy (even though nice +19) load.


[23:21] <iceroot> dotblank: there is also an amd64 build for flash out there, so there is no problem anymore
[23:21] <andai> dotblank: Typical PC usage != Youtube? :P
[23:21] <ivanberia> loshki: ty
[23:21] <dotblank> you would have to sue a 32 bit chroot or use a cross compilier
[23:21] <Spoog> dotblank : network manager has the state as "active"
[23:21] <itissid> What is the simplest way to reimage my entire ubuntu system and then get it back? say i have 2 drives at my disposal..
[23:21] <dotblank> iceroot, its still buggy
[23:21] <brightspark> andai: If you plan on replacing that dead one, go for it.  otherwise you are more likely to see problems than benefits
[23:21] <nina> exactly?
[23:21] <Starminn> brightspark: Yes. It's on my computer, I know that, haha. Just curious how to get it through GUI.
[23:21] <iceroot> dotblank: whole flash is buggy, that is not a problem of the amd64 build
[23:21] <andai> #debian just informed me that VM's run "about half as fast, actually" on 32bit
[23:21] <Boniche> I do not know of such command, please tell me moar
[23:21] <dotblank> Spoog, if you add a network connection you can specify ip address manually
[23:21] <nina> it looks like not all program removed
[23:21] <dotblank> iceroot, its more so with 64bit
[23:22] <Spoog> dotblank : I can't specify an IP address when I'm on a dynamic connection (I'm plugged directly into the modem)
[23:22] <iceroot> andai: then why asking #ubuntu if you get support in #debian?
[23:22] <iceroot> andai: we dont like crosspostiings
[23:22] <zvacet> nina : did you uninstall it from synaptic
[23:22] <dotblank> Spoog, you should be able to create a new wired connection profile at any time
[23:23] <Spoog> dotblank : yes I've done that.
[23:23] <BlaDe^> " then you have to tell iptable's connectiontracker to track ftp port 1233" ---- how do I do this?
[23:23] <nina> u mean center of ubuntu program,?
[23:23] <dotblank> Spoog, I guess if nothing else works then you may have to sue a different nic
[23:23] <zvacet> nina: try   sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq opera
[23:23] <dotblank> use*
[23:23] <Spoog> dotblank : inside network tools it has the eth0, inside network connections it has the test connection I created.
[23:23] <Spikehead777> Hello everyone
[23:24] <zvacet> nina: no,under system>administration>synaptic
[23:24] <Spoog> dotblank : I don't think it has to be that way.. as this is the first time in 3 weeks I've had any type of issue with this connection/nic... Nothing has changed
[23:24] <andai> iceroot: We don't like people who refer to themselves in the plural :D
[23:24] <pooltable> starmin  installed right now sudo apt-get install gnome3-session
[23:24] <dotblank> Spoog, you arn't using 802.1x are you?
[23:25] <Spikehead777> I'm having problems getting my NVIDIA GeForce 240 to output a 1360x768 video mode to my display with twinview on another monior at 1440x900
[23:25] <pooltable> starminn: done now what ?
[23:25] <Starminn> pooltable: Go to Ubuntu Software Center, search GNOME3, make sure that one's installed.
[23:25] <Spoog> dotblank : I'm not sure I know how to answer that.
[23:25] <dotblank> brb a few
[23:26] <dotblank> Spoog, if you don't know what it is then its probably not an issue
[23:26] <andai> iceroot: I use ubuntu, never used debian, thinking about switching to debian... worried about PAE... hence crossposting
[23:26] <Starminn> pooltable: Then just Log Out, choose your Environment, and Log In
[23:27] <nina> and now i done it correct :-)
[23:27] <nina> zvacet : thx
[23:27] <zvacet> nina: yw  8-)
[23:28] <Spoog> Spikehead777 : I don't know much about configuring dual monitors and resolution. However, I was hooking up my 32in lcd and came across a post on some forums (google : linux dual monitorr).. also If I'm not mistaken the nvidia software should handle that type of setup
[23:28] <dd214> Is there a way to connect Evolution to Exchange 5.5?
[23:28] <pooltable> starminn: ok brb thanks i c if i like it
[23:28] <Guest62737> quit
[23:29] <Spikehead777> Spoog, yes, it should, but for some reason, when I tell the setup software my monitor is 1360x768, it still outputs a 1280x768 to my monitor.
[23:29] <BlaDe^> " then you have to tell iptable's connectiontracker to track ftp port 1233" ---- how do I do this?
[23:30] <Spoog> spikehead777 : If I remember correctly for some resolution there is a config file you must edit. I can't remember the name off the top of my head..
[23:30] <Spikehead777> If it helps any, my primary LCD monitor (1440x900) is connected via DVI and my secondary LCD monitor (1360x768) is connected via VGA.
[23:30] <Spikehead777> Spoog, xorg.conf?
[23:30] <brightspark> I'm using CompizConfig with the edge-binding commands- could someone please explain how to increase the size of the 'corner' regions?
[23:31] <Spoog> Spikehead777 : that would be too easy!! lol
[23:31] <Spikehead777> Lol I guess it would
[23:31] <Spoog> Spikehead777 : I think it's actually a resolution configuration file
[23:31] <Starminn> brightspark: Which ones are you using? The one with right-click to bind to edge?
[23:31] <Spikehead777> Hmm.
[23:32] <roothorick> I'm trying to download the 11.04 beta via bittorrent... it's not starting, period.
[23:32] <roothorick> isohunt said there's some 300-odd peers... but rtorrent can't find a single peer
[23:32] <brightspark> Starminn: I'm using the 'command' and 'grid' tools with a script to emulate Aero Snap
[23:32] <Spoog> roothorick : does it say it has seeds?
[23:33] <Spoog> roothorick : might wanna just try downloading it through HTTP
[23:33] <brightspark> I like the ability to quarter the screen but wish the target area was a bit bigger
[23:33] <roothorick> torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce: 91 seeds
[23:33] <Starminn> brightspark: Oh, that one. I haven't used that one.
[23:34] <Spoog> wb leg3nd =P
[23:34] <Spikehead777> I get the feeling I'm going to be messing with MetaModes
[23:35] <roothorick> is the tracker on torrent.ubuntu.com down?
[23:35] <roothorick> it just throws errors
[23:35] <dd214> Does either Evolution or Thunderbird support Exchange 5.5?  and No, the Exchange does not support IMAP.
[23:36] <Vella1tj> Hello, does anyone have a little bit of time to help me try and figure out my Dual monitor setup?
[23:36] <Starminn> YankDownUnder dotblank: Oh, hey, I found it. (In case anybody else asks.) It's in Account Name->System Preferences...->Ubuntu Software Center (at the bottom)
[23:36] <Spoog> dd214 : try here http://fourforces.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/setup-mozilla-thunderbird-to-work-with-microsoft-exchange-server/
[23:37] <nit-wit> Spikehead777, use zsync or rsync
[23:38] <leg3nd> hey whats the best way to change the default window manager without gdm? im starting with startx.
[23:39] <nit-wit> roothorick, actually for you have you used rsync
[23:39] <dd214> Spoog  thnx, but IMAP does not appear to be supported on the Exchange server I'm trying to connect to... at least when I telnet domainXXX 143 I'm getting a connection refused err.
[23:39] <Spikehead777> zsync or rsync? Package managers?
[23:39] <zvacet> roothorick : did you tried from http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[23:39] <nit-wit> Spikehead777, sorry Spikehead777 pointed at wrong person.:)
[23:39] <roothorick> nit-wit: I'm pretty big on Gentoo so yeah, I've touched on rsync a bit
[23:40] <Spikehead777> Oh
[23:40] <Spikehead777> It's all good. =)
[23:40] <roothorick> zvacet: yeah, that's not giving me the download speed I want...
[23:40] <nit-wit> roothorick, that's what i do you get the daily uploaded fast
[23:40] <roothorick> nit-wit: I want something more stable than dailies :)
[23:40] <zvacet> roothorick: I just tried it few mins ago and I have max speed
[23:40] <roothorick> zvacet: I'm getting a little under half right now
[23:41] <Vella1tj> Anyone know if Ubunut does not support certain resolutions?
[23:41] <roothorick> zvacet: I wouldn't care if it wasn't a 700MB image that is going to take a half hour, but should only take 12 minutes
[23:41] <lolmatic> hey guys
[23:41] <rubiks_cube_man> just a quick question, can anyone link me to a step by step instructions on how to install ubuntu?
[23:41] <eightball_> starminn: back where in place to mount my ext hd ?
[23:41] <lolmatic> i just wanted to say that empathy sucks as default chat application
[23:42] <lolmatic> pidgin is just so much better
[23:42] <Starminn> rubiks_cube_man: http://ubuntu.com
[23:42] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: burn the disc, put it in the computer, boot it. If you can't figure it out from there, you shouldn't be installing an OS yet.
[23:42] <Jordan_U> rubiks_cube_man: http://ubuntu.com/download
[23:42] <Starminn> lolmatic: I agree
[23:42] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: do you need help burning the disc, or getting the machine to boot it?
[23:42] <rubiks_cube_man> no
[23:42] <zvacet> roothorick: I understand but what can I tell you time &  patience
[23:43] <andai> lolmatic: pidgin still pisses me off.. but everything else sucks even more, so yeah :P
[23:43] <rubiks_cube_man> so what do i burn to the disk?
[23:43] <rubiks_cube_man> sry im so clueless
[23:43] <mkquist> rubiks_cube_man: so youve d/l the ubuntu iso?
[23:43] <jiohdi> andai you can use meebo, web based chat client
[23:43] <[snake]> How can I set certain instruments to a channel in the fxmixer of lmms?
[23:43] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: you download an ISO image, and burn it to a CD-R (or DVD-R for the dvd images)
[23:43] <Jordan_U> rubiks_cube_man: Follow the instructions at http://ubuntu.com/download
[23:43] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: what OS do you have now?
[23:43] <andai> jiohdi: Does it support custom emoticons, user-scripts, text-completion/replacement, handwriting and shared folders? :P
[23:44] <rubiks_cube_man> windows xp
[23:44] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: do you know what an ISO image is?
[23:44] <zvacet> roothorick: give him a chance you were new in past
[23:44] <rubiks_cube_man> no
[23:44] <jiohdi> andai maybe :)
[23:44] <andai> :D
[23:44] <Spikehead777> [snake], at the top of the instrument panels, there should be a digtal counter that says 0. Drag that up or down
[23:44] <roothorick> zvacet: when I was new, optical media didn't exist yet :P
[23:44] <roothorick> zvacet: but I get your point
[23:44] <nerdshell> !xorg
[23:45] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: download and install a program called ImgBurn. You'll also need to download an ISO. This is going on a desktop or laptop computer, right?
[23:45] <rubiks_cube_man> ya
[23:45] <mkquist> roothorick: cassettes rocked!!  =p
[23:45] <rubiks_cube_man> desktop
[23:45] <Jordan_U> roothorick: There are good step by step instructions on the download page that he's already been linked to.
[23:45] <roothorick> mkquist: I'm from the floppy disk days actually. 5 1/4s and DOS 5.0. Good times.
[23:46] <mkquist> roothorick: trs 80..
[23:46] <lolmatic> rubiks_cube_man: an iso image is a file which contains lots of ubuntu files that get burned to cd when you open the file with a burning program
[23:46] <nerdshell> I donwloaded the first Natty beta, and put the ISO on a flashdrive, but when booting, grub doesn't show up even if I press esc, any idea?
[23:46] <Vella1tj> Anyone have any idea why my resolution on my main monitor (32 tv 720p) will not show full resolution, it gets cut off. My monitor on my laptop is perfect at 16:10? Any help would be appreciated
[23:46] <lolmatic> download the file of your desired ubuntu version, then open it with a burning program
[23:46] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: #ubuntu+1 for natty
[23:46] <zvacet> rubiks_cube_man: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[23:47] <[snake]> Spikehead777, Thankyou so much... I think I found an alternative for fl studio ;)
[23:47] <roothorick> mkquist: I have a Model III and a Coco 2, but they were before my time. I started on a Dell PS/2 clone with a 286.
[23:47] <zvacet> !natty | nerdshell
[23:47] <Spikehead777> [snake], no problem. In fact, LMMS is what got me to install Ubuntu in the first place.
[23:47] <rubiks_cube_man> if i put it on my usb will everything on my usb get erased?
[23:47] <Spikehead777> I'm still trying to work out the kinks so that's why I'm here.
[23:48] <roothorick> rubiks_cube_man: generally yes
[23:48] <nerdshell> Jordan_U: I know, but it's actually a general question, not only for natty, how to boot from flash drive?
[23:48] <BajK> is Mageia Linux using GNome or KDE?
[23:49] <roothorick> nerdshell: best method is to watch the BIOS screen for a "boot menu" prompt. Hit reset, and mash that key.
[23:49] <roothorick> nerdshell: usually F10 or F12
[23:49] <capleton> Hi, I want to set up an automount for my two ntfs software raid arrays.  Do I need to install and use mdadm?  Nautilus can already detect the arrays
[23:49] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: You should still ask in #ubuntu+1
[23:49] <DMdean> On youtube I tried using advanced video upload but it says "You do not have Java installed or enabled." I'm pretty sure I do but anyway I read up on it and it says I you need version 1.5 or later of java installed, how do I find out what java I'm using?
[23:50] <nerdshell> roothorick: okay, thanks a lot. ;)
[23:50] <lolmatic> capleton: use ntfs-3g in fstab
[23:50] <roothorick> nerdshell: reason being, there are mobos and laptops out there that will not boot from USB unless you explicitly select it in the boot menu
[23:50] <roothorick> nerdshell: and it cuts changing BIOS settings out of the picture. Just boot menu, pick USB, and go.
[23:51] <Spikehead777> I'll be right back, I'm going to try something.
[23:51] <roothorick> I find myself doing boot menu for CDs sometimes, hahah
[23:51] <nerdshell> roothorick: shoud I remove other stuff from my flash drive to keep the iso alone ?
[23:51] <capleton> lolmatic: is there a command where I could test mount it first?
[23:51] <roothorick> nerdshell: the process will remove anything in the way on its own
[23:51] <capleton> mount -f ntfs-3g?
[23:52] <ssfdre38> is there a way i can find out how much space i have left on a server hdd?
[23:52] <Vella1tj> I had the same problem with the grub.... the system.ini file wasnt being loaded.
[23:52] <lolmatic> capleton: yes, ntfs3g --help
[23:52] <nerdshell> roothorick: I didn't get your last point
[23:52] <capleton> thanks lolmatic ! :)
[23:53] <roothorick> nerdshell: generally the program doing the USB imaging will either reformat the stick, or delete any files that are in the way. You don't explicitly have to delete anything, but it probably won't leave any preexisting data intact.
[23:53] <lolmatic> capleton: np. you can also put ntfs-3g in your fstab to auto mount it
[23:53] <capleton> sweet
[23:54] <roothorick> #ubuntu+1
[23:54] <roothorick> oops
[23:54] <nerdshell> roothorick: ok, could you advise me a good program to perform that ? I mean, flashdrive imaging
[23:54] <Jordan_U> nerdshell: Why did you leave #ubuntu+1?
[23:54] <DMdean> On youtube I tried using advanced video upload but it says "You do not have Java installed or enabled." I'm pretty sure I do but anyway I read up on it and it says I you need version 1.5 or later of java installed, how do I find out what java I'm using?
[23:54] <zvacet> ssfdre38 : df -h
[23:54] <nerdshell> Jordan_U: sorry, just had a problem
[23:54] <roothorick> nerdshell: there's the pendrive linux stuff recommended on the Ubuntu website itself. I've used it to make a bootable version of Ultimate Boot CD and I'm quite happy with the result
[23:55] <nerdshell> roothorick: so i just have to find pendrive in the software center?
[23:56] <roothorick> software.... center?
[23:56] <nerdshell> roothorick: yeah, ubuntu software center
[23:56] <roothorick> nerdshell: wait, what are you doing?
[23:56] <roothorick> nerdshell: I thought you were using a windows machine to prep a USB drive for installing, hah
[23:56] <joepa> is it possible to write a ubuntu live-cd directly to a hard drive (e.g., using dd)?
[23:57] <nerdshell> roothorick:  no I'm on Maverik Merkaat, and want to test the first beta of natty
[23:57] <olive> hello!
[23:58] <olive> there is no RC for natty ?
[23:58] <roothorick> olive: not yet afaik
[23:58] <olive> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[23:58] <ZykoticK9> joepa, it is possible (though I've never personally tried) to configure Grub to boot a LiveCD iso from your HD.  What are you trying to actually do?  Perhaps stating that to the channel would be more helpful.
[23:58] <DMdean> How do I know if I have java enabled?
[23:58] <olive> seems to bypass RC, between Beta 2 and Release
[23:59] <capleton> lolmatic: don't know if you're still here or not, but I'm having a problem where the raid arrays are mirrored, and so they both appear under /dev, but drive of the array has its own letter
[23:59] <joepa> I have a machine with an empty partition, no cd drive, and no usb stick on me, and I need to try to recover some files from a second disk
[23:59] <Pici> olive : Natty/11.04 is not yet released. Please join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion.
[23:59] <capleton> ie array one is sda and sdb
[23:59] <ZykoticK9> DMdean, browse to http://java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp (if you're talking about a web plugin)
[23:59] <joepa> which is why I'd like to boot the livecd from a partition on the (good) hard drive
[23:59] <oo> Hey i was wondering if there was any way to have master mixer unmuted upon ever logon