[06:57] <alkisg> Hi, some schools need xserver-xorg-video-r128 and I was wondering why it's not preinstalled, is it because it has known issues and people should be using vesa instead, or just because they're old/rare cards?
[06:59] <alkisg> I did do a quick test and it seems to work fine on ati rage 128 pro, although it was on a celeron @400mhz so all I could run was glxgears, no firefix/youtube etc...
[07:03] <tjaalton> just old
[07:03] <alkisg> Thanks, will install it to my schools. :)


[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mdke
[05:17] <nixternal> oh wow, I am totally in disbelief about the Ubuntu Forums
[05:19] <nixternal> i cannot believe this, they want their own CC or what not, they consider themselves the office ubuntu forums, however they have the power to temporarily lock a thread in order to transfer the information to the UDSF database
[05:32] <Madpilot> nixternal, the forums have always been their own little universe...
[05:34] <nixternal> well, they just fell below Gentoo on my useless heirarchy
[05:34] <nixternal> they are pushing windows
[05:41] <Madpilot> nixternal, huh?
[05:42] <nixternal> being crazy
[05:42] <nixternal> playing on the new lappy
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[09:14] <somerville32> mdke: Is there anyone leading the Xubuntu documentation effort? Or any contacts?
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, can i get just dapper doco from svn, or do i have to wget -mnp it from the web?
[09:22] <mdke> somerville32: well, there is only one contributor. Called luzi
[09:22] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, "svn checkout url"
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, thanks.
[09:23] <somerville32> mdke: Someone else will be able to commit if I send in patches, right?
[09:23] <mdke> somerville32: yes
[09:24] <mdke> would be good to get some more contribution
[09:24] <somerville32> How many patches would I have to send in before I could get svn access?
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> are the dirs like this: UbuntuDapperDocsSVN/ubuntu/desktopguide/ja localised versions?
[09:25] <mdke> somerville32: not many, enough to show you can write English and won't commit anything that breaks
[09:25] <mdke> somerville32: but sending patches is a pretty effective way to contribute already
[09:25] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta
[09:26] <somerville32> mdke: Should I use the stuff at http://docs.ubuntu.com/xubuntu or pull ro from svn?
[09:29] <mdke> somerville32: get it from svn and use "svn diff" as described on our wiki pages. The documentation on doc.ubuntu.com is not the source
[09:32] <mdke> somerville32: definitely read our wiki pages, they describe how to ensure what you send is valid docbook, that's very important too
[09:32] <mdke> see you later
[09:32] <somerville32> Thanks :]
[10:12] <somerville32> Gak
[10:12] <somerville32> This Xubuntu documentation needs a lot of work.
[08:30] <LaserJock> mdke: ping
[09:04] <mdke> LaserJock: hi?
[09:05] <LaserJock> mdke: I'd like to request svn access for Pete Savage (cbx33)
[09:05] <LaserJock> he worked with me on some Edubuntu docs
[09:05] <LaserJock> he's an Ubuntu member and MOTU and sent several patches to the mailing list
[09:05] <mdke> I don't remember the patches, were they ok?
[09:07] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure, let me just check my emails real quick
[09:08] <LaserJock> yep, he's a pretty good writer and does docbook fine. He wants to get cracking on Edubuntu stuff again
[09:08] <mdke> ok
[09:08] <LaserJock> I think there will be some more people in the future wanting to get access
[09:08] <LaserJock> but they need to send patches first
[09:08] <mdke> good news
[09:09] <LaserJock> willvdl is working on heading up Edubuntu docs as a part of his employment
[09:09] <mdke> working on? I thought he *is*
[09:09] <LaserJock> well yeah
[09:10] <willvdl> that would be contrary to open development :)
[09:10] <LaserJock> well, where I come from we'd say he's "riding herd" on Edubuntu docs
[09:10] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:12] <willvdl> I'm trying to get the ball rolling again in tune with UDP movements. In a month I'm going to be sweating in Nigeria so my time is short
[09:12] <mdke> how long are you in Nigeria?
[09:14] <willvdl> not sure yet.
[09:14] <willvdl> probably only two weeks
[09:14] <mdke> ah
[09:15] <willvdl> but then I'm in Argentina for March
[09:15] <mdke> blimey
[09:15] <mdke> rockstar stuff
[09:15] <willvdl> nothing glamorous about his work :)
[09:15] <willvdl> *this
[09:16] <willvdl> trust me
[09:16] <LaserJock> mdke: are you ok to request svn access for cbx33 or should I do it? I'm not sure if they'd listen to me :-)
[09:16] <mdke> I don't mind
[10:09] <mdke> LaserJock: so what's the verdict? am I requesting, or are you?
[10:38] <LaserJock> you are :-)
[10:39] <mdke> ok
[10:40] <mdke> LaserJock: Pete Savage/cbx33 has no search results on launchpad. Can you tell me his LP name, and ask him to remedy that?
[10:41] <mdke> ah, forget the first bit of that
[10:41] <LaserJock> yeah, he's hard to find on LP
[10:42] <LaserJock> mdke: got it now?
[10:42] <mdke> yes, but still.
[10:43] <LaserJock> but still what?
[10:44] <mdke> but still, he should fix it
[10:44] <mdke> btw LaserJock, willvdl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=317786
[10:44] <LaserJock> what is there to "fix" he can't just change his LP id I don't think
[10:46] <mdke> LaserJock: he could use his real name
[10:46] <mdke> instead of a joined up name
[10:47] <LaserJock> ohhh, on Display Name
[10:47] <LaserJock> I got it
[10:48] <mdke> to be fair,  a search on "savage" doesn't even turn him up, which must be launchpad's fault
[10:49] <willvdl> mdke, ogra will be pleased :)
[10:49] <LaserJock> that's what I've always assumed
[10:49] <mdke> willvdl: or horrified, one or the other
[10:49] <willvdl> https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage
[10:49] <mdke> yeah, I found it from his wiki page
[10:50] <LaserJock> I always go to one of the teams he's on
[10:50] <LaserJock> but then I already know what teams he's on
[10:51] <mdke> only 2 clicks required to fix it
[10:51] <LaserJock> I've got him
[10:51] <LaserJock> gimme a min
[10:53] <LaserJock> mdke: done
[10:54] <mdke> also, we should go through LP and enforce a "LP username = irc handle" rule
[10:54] <LaserJock> bah
[10:54] <LaserJock> make LP search for IRC nick
[10:54] <mdke> I tried that.
[10:54] <mdke> and failed. So now, the hard approach
[10:54] <willvdl> mdke, not everyone on LP is on irc
[10:54] <mdke> willvdl: we'll enforce that too
[10:55] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:55] <LaserJock> well I'm not changing my @ubuntu.com just for you ;-p
[10:55] <mdke> isn't irc supposed to be done through launchpad anyway?
[10:55] <willvdl> I work with many people who cannot use irc...firewalls etc.
[10:55] <willvdl> you mean channel maintenance?
[10:56] <LaserJock> mdke: hmm? IRC and LP are orthogonal I believe
[10:56] <mdke> I'm just joking around
[10:56] <LaserJock> I see
[10:56] <mdke> don't you get the "orthogonal" bug too
[10:56] <LaserJock> well in my case I had an LP account before I had an IRC nick
[10:57] <LaserJock> I suppose I could change my nick
[10:57] <willvdl> sigh, my humour is fading with my fatigue.
[10:57] <willvdl> outahere
[10:57] <LaserJock> but then I'd have to buy another domain :-)
[10:57] <mdke> willvdl: probably mine is at fault here
[10:57] <LaserJock> cya willvdl
[10:57] <LaserJock> I wondered ... silly brits
[11:00] <LaserJock> mdke: why the heck does Novell have Edubuntu docs
[11:00] <LaserJock> weird
[11:00] <mdke> no idea
[11:00] <LaserJock> cya


[06:36] <head_victim> sagaci: nice goal for 12.04
[06:37] <sagaci> didn't know how to word it perfectly, had the vision
[06:41] <head_victim> Sounds good to me (I just read the wiki update email)
[14:06] <jaddi27> sagaci, do you always translate 'trash' to 'rubbish bin', or does it depend on the context?
[14:07] <sagaci> rubbish bin unless it should be hardcoded
[14:07] <sagaci> like an environment variable or a commandline option
[14:07] <sagaci> like you should translate --color to --colour
[14:08] <jaddi27> ok
[14:08] <sagaci> doesn't particularly matter but try to use rubbish bin amap
[14:08] <jaddi27> It is just one thing that I wasn't entirely sure on, because I can understand both versions
[14:08] <sagaci> as much as possible, yeah, i just made that up
[14:08] <jaddi27> but it makes sense to use the non-american version
[14:09] <sagaci> the problem is, I think trash is hardcoded into parts of nautilus, like trash:///
[14:09] <sagaci> ripping through it now, over 2/3's done
[14:09] <jaddi27> yes, i think that may be correct
[14:09] <jaddi27> yes, it is looking good
[14:10] <jaddi27> shouldn't take too long to get it done now
[14:10] <sagaci> i'm enjoying the buy 1 get one free too
[14:10] <jaddi27> what do you mean by that?
[14:11] <sagaci> well a couple of months ago, whenever I did a batch of strings, I'd know how many were done, since it was seemingly done mostly by me, so I knew how much the total untranslated would fall by, nowadays, there's a few surprises, +50%, + 100%, etc
[14:13] <jaddi27> i see what you mean now
[14:13] <sagaci> on the similar vein that Linus Torvalds used to joke about Linux dominating the world, I never thought it'd be possible to see 95% done, especially with the 30000+ strings in the jump to oneiric, I thought it was a step forward and two back
[14:13] <sagaci> nevertheless it isn't 95% but it feels like it could be conquered this cycle
[14:16] <jaddi27> yes, definitely
[14:16] <jaddi27> is it worth doing a translation session for the Ubuntu Global Jam?
[14:17] <sagaci> yup
[14:19] <jaddi27> are you organising one, and if so, would you like any help?
[14:20] <sagaci> i guess we'll talk about it at the meeting but it's not til September, so a small email could go out soon as well as an official shoutout halfway through August
[14:20] <sagaci> just my initial thoughts
[14:20] <sagaci> maybe i'm different but if someone told me about something on in 3 months and I wasnt
[14:20] <sagaci> really interested, i probably wouldn't care, so something a bit closer to the day might be better?
[14:21] <jaddi27> Yes, that sounds fine. I am sure that if we got it all done now, people would not really think of it again until later anyway
[14:21] <jaddi27> so we may as well leave the main organisation and advertising to later
[14:23] <sagaci> if we can get en-AU translation fairly under control (read: 95%+ done) ubuntu global jams may be the ONLY day we have to do translations in the future, and it makes it much more appealing for new contributors to contribute to something well underway than asking them to participate in a seemingly no-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel adventure, as it is now
[14:24] <jaddi27> sounds like a good plan
[14:25] <sagaci> plus, it actually makes it worthwhile changing your language settings to using the English (Australia) setting now
[14:26] <sagaci> and everything else benefits, kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, mint, etc
[14:27] <jaddi27> How often are language updates released? Is it only with each new version?
[14:28] <sagaci> each version and they can be backported
[14:30] <jaddi27> right
[14:35] <sagaci> jaddi27, are you in vic?
[14:37] <jaddi27> I am in brisbane
[14:37] <sagaci> did you go to linux.conf?
[14:38] <jaddi27> no, unfortunately not
[14:38] <jaddi27> I ended up having to help out with some other things on that day, so didn't end up getting there
[14:39] <sagaci> oh, the reason why I asked if you were in vic was because lca2012 is in ballarat so thought you might be going
[14:39] <jaddi27> Ah, right
[14:39] <jaddi27> I don't think I will be going to that one - a bit far to go
[14:40] <sagaci> fair enough
[14:43] <jaddi27> Well I think I will call it a night
[14:43] <sagaci> no worries, talk to you another time
[14:43] <jaddi27> goodnight
[23:00] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I would like to try and get a little bit of time with you on the ubuntu website when we're both around


[01:39] <callmepk> Good morning
[02:17] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:17] <duflu> Delayed reaction
[05:48] <jibel> hi all
[05:51] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:24] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:33] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:33] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:34] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[06:34] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:36] <oSoMoN> ricotz, good morning! mind pushing your changes to the firefox-beta branches again? I have a working update for unity-menubar.patch
[06:37] <oSoMoN> (well at least working with 77.0~b1, hoping that beta 2 doesn't break it again…)
[06:42] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:43] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[06:43] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[06:44] <oSoMoN> seb128, bien, et toi?
[06:44] <seb128> ça va bien!
[06:44] <seb128> :)
[06:46] <duflu> Hi seb128
[06:46] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:47] <duflu> seb128, going OK. Taking a break from fractional scaling while Marco is busy and returned to release bugs. You?
[06:48] <seb128> I'm good, doing my morning bug triage round :)
[06:49] <seb128> RAOF, thanks for the SRU reviews! any chance you could do gnome-control-center as well? it fixes some annoying issues and we have probably other SRU rounds coming from it so would be nice to have the first upload moving out of the queue :)
[06:49] <RAOF> seb128: Sure! I'm always happy to take SRU pings!
[06:50] <seb128> RAOF, thanks! :)
[06:59] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[07:09] <duflu> Hey marcustomlinson
[07:09] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, beta 2 won't break it, so it should be fine
[07:10] <ricotz> good morning all
[07:38] <ricotz> oSoMoN, pushed
[07:59] <oSoMoN> ricotz, thanks
[08:02] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, ricotz, Laney, how are you?
[08:02] <ricotz> oSoMoN, please don't upload further builds to the ppa
[08:02] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN, duflu, and seb128. I'm well thanks, you guys?
[08:03] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I'm good!
[08:03] <ricotz> seb128, hey, quite well
[08:03] <Laney> sneaky seb128
[08:03] <marcustomlinson> and hey ricotz
[08:03] <marcustomlinson> and hey Laney
[08:03] <Laney> yo ho ho
[08:03] <ricotz> hey marcustomlinson Laney
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> and a bottle of rum
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, :)
[08:05] <Laney> hey ricotz
[08:05] <Laney> sunny day today!
[08:05] <duflu> Hi Laney and ricotz
[08:05] <seb128> oh, Trevinho has a new picture on discourse, nice one :)
[08:08] <seb128> Trevinho, how did you end up maintaining a stable branch of gnome-todo? ;)
[08:08] <seb128> (just reading your weekly summary)
[08:10] <Laney> Georges complained about the distros all backporting EDS API fixes
[08:10] <Laney> so Trevinho grabbed those into a branch
[08:11] <Laney> gnome-todo master has moved to GTK4 or something and the maintainers sort of stopped doing releases for the current stuff
[08:11] <Laney> don't think it's signing up for maintenance tho
[08:11] <Laney> hey duflu!
[08:14] <ricotz> duflu, hey
[08:22] <seb128> Laney, ah, thanks for the context
[09:10] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, I'll just push my updated patch when I get a chance, I'll let you handle uploads
[09:10] <oSoMoN> yo ho ho Laney
[09:13] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[10:13] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ack, that should be beta 3 on Friday
[10:30] <seb128> hum, did anything change that made pkg-config be part of the default builders before and not anymore?
[10:31] <seb128> I've a groovy upload that failed by lack of pkg-config, indeed it's not in the Build-Depends but the same package builded fine in focal and Debian
[10:35] <xnox> seb128: maybe transitive -dev package had a depends on that, and has since dropped it?
[10:35] <seb128> xnox, could be, I was just wondering if that part of some essential/base set and was meant to be there by default or not
[10:35] <xnox> Never was.
[10:36] <xnox> I always had to build-depend on it.
[11:26] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, wasn't that pic there before? :o
[11:27] <Trevinho> seb128: as per todo, don't want to maintain personally, but at least now all the distros have a point of reference to contribute to, until there's not a next stable
[11:28] <Trevinho> and instead of complaining for distros shipping an old one, we have some upstream reference
[11:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, should I care about the librsvg i386 build failure in groovy? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/librsvg/2.48.4-1
[11:46] <jbicha> oSoMoN: Debian will need librsvg to build on i386
[12:03] <oSoMoN> jbicha, ack, and that's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=959847
[12:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, we need to care yes, nice to see that Simon upstreamed it with some guessing, let's see what they say
[12:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, yeah, I should have done some research before pinging you, hopefully upstream fixes this for us
[12:09] <seb128> no worry :)
[13:34] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I'm just curious but is the launchpad janitor not working on those bugs you are manually closing?
[13:34] <seb128> marcustomlinson, could you give me an example of bug you would close before doing so please?
[13:35] <seb128> marcustomlinson, ubuntu bugs set as incomplete for 60 days without having a new activity should autoclose without you having to go cleanup manually
[13:41] <GunnarHj> seb128, marcustomlinson: I have a feeling that several of those translation related ubuquity bugs, even if not so important, are just as valid as when they were submitted.
[13:42] <seb128> GunnarHj, if they are valid and someone still care the bugs can be reopened, it's just a status change
[13:42] <marcustomlinson> yes that ^
[13:42] <seb128> also if someone still care/notice they will be reported again
[13:42] <seb128> ideally we would deal with bug better than check ourselve, but lack of manpower :/
[13:43] <seb128> marcustomlinson, still the janitor should do the work for you today, I wonder if you didn't wait enough or if it's buggy, do you have bugs you didn't close yet to check those?
[13:43] <GunnarHj> I realize the reason for cleaning the bug tracker. Just think it's a bit sad.
[13:44] <marcustomlinson> seb128: the janitor ignores bugs that are targeted to a milestone for example
[13:44] <marcustomlinson> and if it was assigned
[13:45] <seb128> marcustomlinson, ah, that's the kind of thing I was unsure about/wanted to check, thx :)
[13:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, agreed :/
[13:45] <marcustomlinson> think of it this way everyone hates me not you :P
[13:46] <GunnarHj> ;)
[14:03] <Laney> seb128's avatar on trello looks like a potato to me
[14:03] <Laney> when it's small like on the list of cards
[14:13] <marcustomlinson> a potato with a top hat on
[14:36]  * Laney remembers to check pulseaudio's FDs thanks to a calendar reminder from last week
[14:36] <Laney> \o\
[14:37] <Laney> ah crap
[14:37] <Laney> it got restarted when fractional killed my xorg
[14:37]  * Laney moves the reminder to +7 days
[14:42] <popey> jibel do you by any chance have the magic commands needed to un-break my system? is it enough to just rm /boot/* and reboot?
[14:53] <jibel> popey, no, that would also delete the content of the EFI partition.
[14:54] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:54] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:59] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson
[15:17] <seb128> hum, we might have a gap in our rls incomin listing
[15:17] <seb128> it probably doesn't work for snaps, e.g snap-store
[15:18] <jibel> good morning hellsworth
[15:18] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[15:18] <hellsworth> hi there jibel
[15:18] <hellsworth> hey seb128
[15:18] <hellsworth> i'm ok. you?
[15:18] <seb128> I'm great :)
[15:19] <hellsworth> wow that's wonderful to hear :)
[15:57] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, what's the status of the .2 updates and SRU?
[16:06] <seb128> Laney, do you know if there is the gnome-keyring diff we have could go to Debian now?
[16:06] <seb128>     - debian/user/*, debian/gnome-keyring.links, debian/gnome-keyring.install:
[16:06] <seb128>       + Install units to start gnome-keyring with systemd if the session
[16:06] <seb128>         is using it
[16:07] <seb128> ideally that would be an upstream feature now
[16:07] <seb128> but until we do that...
[16:08] <seb128> I'm unsure if we get any functional value from this delta atm so I would be up for either removing it or commiting to Debian but I might be overlooking something
[16:11] <Laney> drop the initctl bit, but otherwise I don't see why not
[16:12] <Laney> there is some functional value, it makes the environment variables available more widely
[16:13] <seb128> thx
[16:13] <Laney> it should probably also patch the .desktop file to add X-GNOME-HiddenUnderSystemd=true too
[16:13] <seb128> ah, rigt, I forgot about that
[16:13] <seb128> I will submit a mp and ask you for review, thx for the hints
[16:13] <seb128> but that's probably not for today at this point, just adding to my backlog, maybe tomorrow :)
[16:18] <Laney> no rush if you want me to review, going to be off until next week anyway
[17:03] <Laney> speaking of
[17:03] <Laney> see you monday!
[17:05] <seb128> Laney, bye, have a nice long w.e ;-)
[17:55] <kenvandine> hellsworth: my gnome-characters build is failing to upload to the store
[17:57] <hellsworth> uh oh
[17:57] <hellsworth> problem with the store perhaps?
[17:58] <oSoMoN> hey hellsworth! is https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap/commit/?id=fd382597649220089da0df7c6702916233716d98 all that's needed to add a common ID to a snap?
[17:58] <hellsworth> lp link?
[17:58] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: i believe so
[17:59] <hellsworth> i got the common id from the appdata.xml files (one for each app)
[17:59] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, cool, thanks
[17:59] <hellsworth> np
[17:59] <oSoMoN> I'll update my snaps
[18:01] <hellsworth> kenvandine: i just kicked off a lp build of cherrytree.. we'll see if that uploads ok
[18:01] <hellsworth> what's the error you get?
[18:02] <jdstrand> seb128: hey, fyi for awareness, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbguard/+bug/1816548/comments/20
[18:03] <kenvandine> Store upload failed:
[18:03] <kenvandine> Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)
[18:03] <hellsworth> hmm :/
[18:03] <kenvandine> i have another build running too
[18:04] <hellsworth> cherrytree is queued on lp with needs building status...
[18:04] <hellsworth> pipelines might be a bit clogged
[18:04] <kenvandine> hellsworth: the gnome-characters snap went from 15M to 275K :)
[18:04] <kenvandine> thanks to gnome-3-34
[18:04] <hellsworth> ooooooh that's super nice!
[18:04] <hellsworth> :)
[18:04] <kenvandine> libmozjs is pretty fat
[18:05] <hellsworth> guess so
[18:05] <hellsworth> well that with the extra libffi
[18:05] <hellsworth> ok im going to pop out for some take out.. brb
[18:36] <ricotz> is anything happening in regard to fix the gcc-10 package in groovy-proposed?
[18:50] <hellsworth> kenvandine: cherrytree built on LP but won't upload to the store
[19:11] <kenvandine> hellsworth: i saw that
[19:11] <kenvandine> there seems to be an SSO problem
[19:12] <kenvandine> debugging atm
[19:12] <hellsworth> mkay thanks for letting me know
[19:17] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, ah, thanks, I saw the commit/got the notification from github, could to know that you are +1 then, maybe we give it a go in 20.10 :-)
[19:18] <seb128> ricotz, we are the wrong person to ask about gcc, I guess you tried to ping doko? what's the issue exactly? is there a report? if so probably worth tagging rls-gg-incoming so the foundation team can review it tomorrow in their weekly meeting
[19:21] <ricotz> seb128, yes, I have pinged him. It causes several build failures due to uninstallable packages
[19:22] <seb128> ricotz, best to open a bug and tag it I guess :/
[19:26] <ricotz> :\
[19:27] <seb128> ricotz, do you have an example of build log of failure? I can try to raise it to foundations...
[19:30] <ricotz> seb128, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/478197989/buildlog_ubuntu-groovy-amd64.ubuntu-drivers-common_1%3A0.8.2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:31] <ricotz> not a good example
[19:31] <seb128> thx
[19:33] <ricotz> seb128, this one is not so obvious though https://launchpadlibrarian.net/478493426/buildlog_ubuntu-groovy-amd64.firefox-trunk_78.0~a1~hg20200505r528217-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:35] <ricotz> anyway https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-10/10-20200502-1ubuntu1 - the "Stop building libgccN" changes are insufficient
[19:37] <RikMills> ricotz: I just mentioned that in #ubuntu-devel
[19:37] <RikMills> had not seen this ^
[19:38] <ricotz> RikMills, I see, I mentioned it some days ago in #ubuntu-devel too
[19:38] <RikMills> :(
[19:38] <ricotz> also #ubuntu-release
[19:40] <RikMills> a kubuntu tester reported this LP: #1877175
[19:41] <RikMills> ricotz: ^ if you are currently doing a bug
[19:46] <ricotz> RikMills, thx


[02:55] <willie_> I am having no luck getting Skype (64 bit) installed on Studio 13.10. Anyone got a link to help?
[02:56] <holstein> willie_: did you get the one from the skype site?
[02:57] <willie_> I had read that one is sort of messed up for 13.10. Is the skype site the best place to get it then? And can I expect problems due to Pulse (that's what I think the site said)
[02:58] <holstein> willie_: there is not "best".. its not "supported", or open for us to support, so the best will be the one that works
[02:58] <holstein> i use the one from the site
[02:59] <willie_> haha. true.
[03:00] <willie_> I do have another general question though - I got Studio instead of vanilla Ubuntu because of the focus on creative endeavors. I am not great or even good, but I like trying to create good things
[03:00] <willie_> but whenever I try and find help for Ubuntu Studio, the search always seems to default to Ubuntu
[03:01] <willie_> This channel has become my go to site for info
[03:01] <willie_> that said, what site or sites would be most helpful for me to bookmark for U.S, help?
[03:02] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[03:03] <holstein> it really depends on what you are searching for information on
[03:04] <willie_> It is Ubuntu, but the underlying system is diff (no dash, no gnome) and the help from one has not been helpful to me on the other sometimes
[03:04] <holstein> willie_: the underlying system is the same
[03:05] <holstein> willie_: main ubuntu has no gnome anymore
[03:05] <holstein> willie_: we have xfce like xubuntu... but, it really depends on what you are looking for information on
[03:06] <willie_> No gnome? Shows you how much attention I pay. Actually, I am a photographer and not a programmer. I wanted to go total open source as I like the philosophy.\
[03:07] <holstein> willie_: skype is not open
[03:09] <willie_> I know - but I am taking it as far as I can. No more Digital Photo Professional or Lightroom, using Darktable instead. Gimp instead of a PhotoShop option. Kdenlive instead of Vegas Pro.
[03:09] <willie_> Even using Ubuntu One to ship files instead of Dropbox (when Ubuntu One cooperates)
[03:09] <holstein> if you need cmyk, you might run into a wall
[03:10] <willie_> I understand there are a couple of Skype like programs for open source, but haven't really run into them
[03:10] <holstein> willie_: if the other person uses the application, it works
[03:45] <willie_> Holstein - thanks for your help. Off to install now
[13:49] <Siya> I need some help with my .asoundrc file for 2* stereo loopback (snd-aloop) interfaces
[13:49] <Siya> I seem to be doing it wrong
[13:51] <Siya> my alsa-base.conf states pcm_substreams=2 yet I can do "-c 6" the issuing alsa_out
[13:52] <Siya> When I try to issue the seconds alsa_out statement it complains about the rate
[14:14] <zequence> Siya: Maybe someone in #opensourcemusicians knows. I've never been tweaking alsa configs myself like that
[14:15] <zequence> or at #alsa
[16:00] <hansford> I am new to Ubuntu Studio and need help on Qjackctl...never used this before, can someone help me how to "patch" my ardour to my calf plugins and the hydrogen.
[21:49] <aloiece> how come I still haven't found a working fix for the mute button problem: when press the mute multimedia key, it would mute, but not unmute...
[23:02] <MangaKaDenza> Blargh! I installed ubuntu studio via apt-get, and now, my fonts are messed up!
[23:02] <MangaKaDenza> I checked every settings thing related to appearance/fonts, but nothing was resolved!
[23:05] <MangaKaDenza> so... how do I fix this?
[23:05] <MangaKaDenza> I mean its an interesting font and all... but I don't want it for hexchat/google chrome/etc :x
[23:08] <GridCube> MangaKaDenza, go to >settings >Setting manager >Appareance >Fonts
[23:10] <MangaKaDenza> brb
[23:14] <MangaKaDenza> so... there isn't a settings thing...
[23:14] <MangaKaDenza> but a direct link to setting manager
[23:14] <MangaKaDenza> odd..
[23:15] <MangaKaDenza> its also set to my default Segoe UI
[23:15] <MangaKaDenza> I tried purging ubuntustudio* earlier... but that didn't work... and I reinstalled hexchat
[23:16] <MangaKaDenza> GridCube, and hexchat is also saying Segoe UI
[23:35] <MangaKaDenza> nope... still the same
[23:44] <GridCube> MangaKaDenza, log off and log in using the guest session
[23:44] <MangaKaDenza> and then?
[23:45] <GridCube> if that looks alrihgt i suggest you to remove your ~/.config/xfce4 files
[23:45] <GridCube> and let them respawn
[23:45] <MangaKaDenza> btw... also using Kubuntu/KDE
[23:45] <MangaKaDenza> would that cause any conflicts?
[23:49] <GridCube> yes
[23:49] <MangaKaDenza> hmm, how so?
[23:49] <GridCube> i have no idea  about kde settings
[23:49] <GridCube> so it will cause the conflict of that i dont know how to support you