[00:00] <draik> The tv/monitor has two inputs. The monitor has it's regular/standard 15-pin d-plug
[00:01] <draik> He has an nVidia 5200
[00:01] <draik> GeForce FX 5200 (don't recall if FX is in the name)
[00:03] <BluesKaj> ok where is the TV Tuner located ? In the monitor or pc ?
[00:10] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: on the video card
[00:15] <BluesKaj> draik,  he needs software like TVTime to run on his pc to transcode the tv signal to PAL or NTSC or Secam or whatever his sytem uses for tv to work with the monitor refresh and synch rates
[00:18] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to pull meta data from a file?  For example, I have a ttf file, and I'd like to see what the font name is (rather than just the filename)  Ultimately, I'd like to make a small script to rename the fonts (1000s of them) to friendlier names (Something like avian_inspired.ttf rather than __AIF.ttf)
[00:21] <cpk1> when building a deb is all you need the diff tar and dsc?
[00:21] <draik> BluesKaj: How do I install something on his computer when I can't see?
[00:21] <ardchoille> aaroncampbell: You can use the find command and pipe it to a while loop to rename a batch of files
[00:22] <aaroncampbell> ardchoille: the question is: "how do I get the font name from the file" ...once I have that, I can rename them
[00:22] <bascule> or xargs
[00:23] <bascule> !info extract
[00:23] <ubotu> extract: displays meta-data from files of arbitrary type. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.18-3 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 220 kB
[00:23] <ardchoille> yeah, xargs works too
[00:23] <aaroncampbell> there's got to be a cli command that will...thanks...I'll check that
[00:23] <bascule> np
[00:24] <draik> ardchoille: Hey there. How goes it?
[00:24] <ardchoille> hi draik
[00:24] <aaroncampbell> installing extract now (extract, libextractor-plugins, and libextractor1c2a)
[00:25] <bascule> it has an awesome amount of switches and file type support, but I have rarely used it, and not for some time
[00:25] <stdin> cpk1: you only need a .diff.gz if it's non-native
[00:25] <cpk1> I am trying to make a deb from source that I got from apt
[00:26] <cpk1> I am having trouble with the cband mod in apache
[00:26] <stdin> cpk1: with "apt-get source <package>" ?
[00:26] <cpk1> stdin: yes
[00:27] <cpk1> I keep getting "dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory"
[00:27] <stdin> cpk1: are you in the source ?
[00:28] <cpk1> stdin: you mean in the dir? yes
[00:28] <stdin> cpk1: the one called <package>-<version>
[00:29] <cpk1> stdin: oh well the dir isnt named like that, let me name it correctly like that
[00:29] <stdin> cpk1: it should be if you got it with "apt-get source"
[00:31] <cpk1> I pulled it from packages.ubuntu, same thing and didnt make a difference renaming it
[00:31] <stdin> cpk1: how did you extract the source?
[00:32] <aaroncampbell> bascule: I think I'm on the right class, although I'm getting what I'm looking for
[00:32] <cpk1> stdin: there isnt anything to extract...?
[00:33] <stdin> cpk1: the source wasn't in a .tar.gz ?
[00:33] <cpk1> stdin:  there is that but I thought you leave it tarred if you are making a deb?
[00:34] <BluesKaj> draik, tell him to install " tvtime " ...it's in the repos
[00:35] <stdin> cpk1: no, you get the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc and the .diff.gz, extract with "dpkg-source -x <package>_version-release.dsc" then "cd  <package>-<version>" and "debuild binary" (or "fakeroot debian/rules binary" if you haven't installed devscripts)
[00:35] <rysiek|pl> cu all, /me's going to sleep
[00:35] <bascule> aaroncampbell: cool, there are fewer switches than I thought, output is quite tricky to parse, did you get the -g switch
[00:36] <aaroncampbell> yeah, but I can't seem to get info from a ttf file...
[00:36] <cpk1> stdin: oh that would explain a lot... *goes back into the corner*
[00:37] <stdin> cpk1: I have the process memorised because I do it so much, you get used to these methods :)
[00:38] <ardchoille> stdin: I wonder if it would help folks for you to write a tutorial when you had a chance.
[00:38] <stdin> !packaging
[00:38] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[00:38] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[00:38] <stdin> ardchoille: there is one :)
[00:38] <cpk1> stdin: thank you
[00:39] <bascule> aaroncampbell: does 'strings' help?
[00:41] <ardchoille> aaroncampbell: Does it help to open konqueror, type in "fonts:/" (without quotes), then double-click a font?
[00:42] <aaroncampbell> ardchoille: I can do that (although these aren't installed), but I have 1000s that I want to pull the info on, and rename, so I thought a small script would be best
[00:43] <ardchoille> aaroncampbell: Ah, you're right, a script would be best for that number of fonts
[00:47] <pacman_> anyone familiar with .daa files
[00:48] <dmcglone> Hi all
[00:54] <jembouge> dmcglone: ask
[00:55] <dmcglone> ask what?
[00:55] <dmcglone> I don't need no help, I'm here to help. Need help?
[00:55] <dmcglone> :-)
[00:55] <jembouge> lol no
[00:56] <jembouge> maybe later :)
[00:56] <jembouge> but Hi :p
[00:56] <ardchoille> dmcglone: We can always use more helpers :)
[00:56] <dmcglone> Hello. it's about time someone said something. :-)
[00:57] <dmcglone> ardchoille: this is my 4th time here I think, and I decided to come back because there were some cool people in here.
[00:58] <BluesKaj> ok, how does one stop the cursor in the google searchba r on konq to stop jumping to the end of a phrase after one keystroke to change a word or letters in the middle of the phrase ?
[00:59] <BluesKaj> nobody has been able to answer that one yet
[01:00] <jembouge> lol, I also come here to have company, it's 2am here, and I'm still working :(
[01:00] <dmcglone> I'm not sure BluesKaj, I've been too buisy trying to figure out how to get the cursor to stay in the URL bar instead of jumping to the search field.
[01:01] <dmcglone> been wondering for about 2 years. LOL
[01:02] <dmcglone> Jembouge, the company is nice all the while helping people. :-)
[01:02] <dmcglone> it's only 8pm here
[01:02] <Xcell> Its 5 Oclock somewhere.
[01:03] <jembouge> I help when I can
[01:04] <Xcell> Working @ 2am?
[01:04] <dmcglone> Xcell, I can't wait till it's 5 O'clock here tomorrow. I'll be partying then.
[01:04] <Xcell> lol.
[01:04] <jembouge> yeah, a ajax project for an association, but that's off the #kubuntu topic :)   I don't need help programming php :p
[01:05] <dmcglone> A bottle of Jim, couple vodka shots and some karaoke and I'll have it made! LOL
[01:05] <Xcell> Giter"Done.
[01:08] <dmcglone> doesn't seem like anyone is very talkative tonight.
[01:08] <jembouge> I only have one pb with kubuntu 7.10, which I never encountered before with debian or other distro, also using KDE, have a look : http://jujufouq.free.fr/fichiers/kdm.jpg
[01:08] <jembouge> anyone knows how to change the font dpi???
[01:09] <jembouge> so that KDM doesn't look that way anymore?
[01:09] <dmcglone> Ah your monitor settings is messed up
[01:09] <jembouge> actually everything's fine, except withkdm
[01:09] <dmcglone> I have helped quite a few people with this problem even myself
[01:09] <jembouge> oh really? then you could tell me :)
[01:09] <stdin> jembouge: system settings > advanced > login manager > fonts ?
[01:09] <Xcell> Ah! I see alot of that, Seems the video drivers are excessive.
[01:09] <dmcglone> Yeah, for some reason you have to change the monitor to a generic monitor that can do 1024x768
[01:10] <jembouge> well my screen is a 1280x800
[01:10] <dmcglone> afterwards, you need to restart your xserver
[01:10] <Xcell> I just increased my text size by 1# and it went away,I had that in my browser.
[01:10] <jembouge> stdin: didn't do anything, I tried all a newbie could try :p
[01:11] <stdin> jembouge: was just a guess really
[01:11] <dmcglone> true, but after you change the monitor settings, you can then adjust the slider to 1280x800
[01:11] <jembouge> yeah, thanks :p
[01:11] <jembouge> Wcell, where did you do that? how?
[01:12] <jembouge> dmcglone, so what you mean is I set it to 1024x768, restart X, and re-set it to 1280x800 ?
[01:12] <dmcglone> adjust the slider, yes.
[01:13] <jembouge> ok, closing all my work stuff in case and "applying" stuff according to your advice
[01:13] <dmcglone> it'll work.
[01:13] <Xcell> Tries it 2.
[01:15] <jembouge> coming back
[01:17] <dmcglone> how'd it go?
[01:17] <Xcell> That worked, Thanks.
[01:17] <dmcglone> :-)
[01:18] <Xcell> Nice job.
[01:18] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I removed the earch bar and just do "google foo" in the knoq location bar
[01:18] <dmcglone> it seems kubuntu's default settings for the monitors H sync and V sync are messed up
[01:18] <Xcell> ya that seems true...I racked my brains on that one.
[01:19] <jembouge> yo man, it's all messed up now
[01:19] <dmcglone> did you adjust your slider?
[01:19] <jembouge> I can't even set it to 1280x800 now
[01:19] <jembouge> yeah,
[01:19] <jembouge> then logged off
[01:19] <jembouge> and on again
[01:20] <jembouge> tried to set it to 1280x800, but doesn'texist anymore :'(
[01:20] <dmcglone> wait, it worked fine for Xcell, how did you do it?
[01:20] <draik> BluesKaj: What does tvtime do?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: what are you trying to do?
[01:20] <Xcell> I used the one @ the bottom, (plug N play.
[01:20] <dmcglone> Ok no fret, then change the monitor to one that can do 1280x800
[01:20] <jembouge> dmcglone : I tell you, set the slider to 1024x768, logged off and on, and couldn't set it to 1280x800 anymore
[01:21] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: trying to solve this :  http://jujufouq.free.fr/fichiers/kdm.jpg
[01:21] <dmcglone> change the monitor to one that can do 1280x800
[01:21] <BluesKaj> draik,  TVTime runs on his pc to transcode the tv signal to PAL or NTSC or Secam or whatever tv system his country uses for tv,  to work with the monitor scan and synch rates
[01:22] <Xcell> dmcglone is right.
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: ah.. your kdm is the wrong resolution?
[01:23] <jembouge> oh gosh, I click the "root mode" button, but doesn't ask for the password and doesn't change anything
[01:23] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: apparently just the font dpi
[01:24] <jembouge> as I had already looked on the internet for info
[01:24] <jembouge> ok, so how could I launch that configuration program in a console?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: oh,... yeah... just a sec..my brother knows how to fix that
[01:24] <jembouge> lol
[01:25] <dmcglone> I'm his brother
[01:25] <dmcglone> Just kidding
[01:25] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:25] <jembouge> that's the forth time I ask for it on this channel, never had any helpers earlier, 3 today :p
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: he says something about Xdpi settings and having to change them on the command line... Gentoo-user <_<
[01:25] <jembouge> lol, I'm no Gentoo user :)
[01:26] <dmcglone> LMAO
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:26] <dmcglone> jembouge, just change the monitor to a generic monitor that can do 1280x800
[01:26] <BluesKaj> draik, his GeForce FX 5200 video card doesn't have a tvtuner , so i don't know how he expects to watch tv on his monitor unless it has tv tuner on it
[01:27] <jembouge> yeah, I would love to, but the thing is it's not even asking for the password when I click the button to get full privileges
[01:27] <dmcglone> LOL BluesKaj, some people are just plain nuts.
[01:27] <dmcglone> He probably thinks his monitor is a TV
[01:27] <Xcell> lol
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: did you mess with the font settings in systemsettings->advanced->login manager->font?
[01:28] <dmcglone> jembouge, you need to kill the process and try again
[01:28] <BluesKaj> dmcglone, well maybe it is , we're talking about a third party  here , but his communication about the setup is definitely lacking in details :)
[01:29] <dmcglone> ctrl + alt + esc and then kill the system settings window and open it back up and it should ask you for a password then.
[01:29] <jembouge> I've killed the thing, tried again
[01:30] <dmcglone> I can't remember what process to kill to get the password box back, but what I mentioned above will have the same effect.
[01:30] <Xcell> Not sure, but I think paswsword time out is 8 minuits.
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:30] <jembouge> but still can't get the prompt for a password when clicking the admin mode button
[01:30] <Xcell> It changes from version to version.
[01:30] <dmcglone> ah just log out and back in and it should work.
[01:31] <jembouge> well, rebooting in order to try again...
[01:31] <dmcglone> rebooting?
[01:31] <dmcglone> ah thats a little overboard....LOL
[01:32] <jembouge> if I can help you to help me with some more info, ask me! :p
[01:32] <jembouge> logging off
[01:32] <jembouge> and on sorry
[01:32] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:32] <dmcglone> sheesh! LOL
[01:32] <dmcglone> Xcell everything working Ok for you now?
[01:32] <Xcell> Picking plug n play seemed like a universal setting to me.
[01:33] <Xcell> Works like a shiny new car...thanks.
[01:33] <dmcglone> good. we now know that some plug and play things work. ;-)
[01:33] <Xcell> ya
[01:34] <dmcglone> now if I could get my wife to plug and play, my life would be great! LMAO
[01:34] <Xcell> hahaha..more beer.
[01:34] <dmcglone> not till tomorrow evening. :-(
[01:35] <Xcell> You need to show up more often dmcglone, we need people like you.
[01:35] <dmcglone> welcome back jembouge
[01:35] <draik> BluesKaj: Sorry, I should clarify.
[01:35] <jembouge> well, you know what, I'm very annoyed
[01:35] <dmcglone> Xcell, I try.
[01:35] <draik> BluesKaj: He can watch TV. He has it setup with $CABLE_CO.
[01:35] <jembouge> thanks dmcglone
[01:35] <dmcglone> what are you annoyed about?
[01:36] <draik> BluesKaj: He can't seem to get the monitor part of the set to work. He gets a blank screen when trying to use his computer.
[01:36] <jembouge> wherever I want to click that "admin mode" button in the "control panel"
[01:36] <jembouge> it doesn't ask for it,
[01:36] <jembouge> and prevents me from changing the settings
[01:36] <dmcglone> Ok hang on, let me get the process for you to kill
[01:36] <jembouge> like the type of screen and all..
[01:36] <jembouge> can't do anything this way
[01:36] <draik> My friend's monitor is both TV and computer monitor. For some reason, it won't work on the tv/monitor. It is set to Monitor, but nothing displays.
[01:37] <BluesKaj> draik, so he's trying to feed the video from the cable box into video and audio inputs omn the video card ?
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:37] <jembouge> and now my screen is a streched 1024x768 filling a 1280x800 area
[01:37] <jembouge> ok doing it
[01:37] <draik> BluesKaj: disregard the TV portion of it with the exception that the unit is both TV and computer monitor.
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: forget the GUI things XD
[01:38] <draik> He has the cable plugged into the computer's video card to use the Monitor portion.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> then switch to TV not Monitor ...monitor is for the pc
[01:38] <draik> It's a blank screen
[01:38] <draik> He has it on Monitor
[01:38] <draik> It's a blank screen
[01:38] <cpk1> tasksel remove lamp-server did not do what I wanted it to...
[01:38] <BluesKaj> then switch to TV
[01:38] <draik> BluesKaj: How will tv work with the computer?
[01:39] <draik> He can't get the computer to come up on the unit
[01:39] <draik> That's the issue
[01:39] <jembouge> logging off and back on
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: hope to see you back :D
[01:39] <BluesKaj> you said his monitor won't display tv ...that's the route I was trying follow
[01:39] <jembouge> nosrednaekim: that's ok for now but I will want it to work later
[01:40] <BluesKaj> aargh !  :(
[01:41] <dmcglone> kill '/usr/bin/kcmshell'
[01:43] <jembouge> back!
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: better>
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> ?
[01:43] <jembouge> and with a better screen
[01:43] <Xcell> yay.
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> login fixed though?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> take a look at this^^ jembouge
[01:45] <dmcglone> I went away for a second. looks like it worked, I heard "Yay's"
 and with a better screen
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:43:48] <jembouge> at least now displaying it 1280x800, this is how I did :
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:44:14] <jembouge> full reboot, no log off, so I get the password prompt now in the settings panel
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:44:39] <jembouge> so better yes thank you all
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:44:57] <jembouge> now, I would just like to check whether KDM has had its lesson :p
[01:48] <jembouge_> [sam déc 8 2007] [02:45:06] <jembouge> so log off, log on again :p
[01:48] <jembouge_> sorry I got disconnected brrr
[01:48] <jembouge_> well, kdm still refuses to look "good"
[01:48] <jembouge_> disconnected again..
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:48] <jembouge_> what's happening tonight??? everything worked just fine before brrr lol
[01:49] <dmcglone> thats weird
[01:49] <jembouge_> yes thanks, I had bookmarked it and wanted to try it just right now
[01:49] <jembouge_> if you have my bug fixed tonight, I pay you all a virtual beer :p
[01:50] <dmcglone> did you change the monitor to one that can do 1280x800?
[01:50] <wpk> then he'll do a virtual fix of your bug
[01:51] <jembouge_> :p
[01:51] <dmcglone> with mine, I have it set to a monitor that can do 1024x768 but I can slide the slider up to 1280x800
[01:51] <jembouge_> dmcglone: oh no I forgot about that
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: close your eyes... there you go...bug fixed:D
[01:51] <jembouge_> well, atm I'm trying https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:51] <jembouge_> :D
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> beer please?
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> make it a rootbeer
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> as I am underage
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[01:52] <maybeway36> a&w good?
[01:52] <jembouge_> xdpyinfo | grep resolution tells me :   resolution:    112x968 dots per inch
[01:52] <dmcglone> Ha Ha
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> maybeway36: thats fine...
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> I like Bangs though and Penn Duch Birch beer better
[01:52] <dmcglone> <chugging my budweiser lauging at nosrednaekim>
[01:52] <jembouge_> virtual beer not coming yet, since the bug's still there :p
[01:52] <maybeway36> oh man
[01:52] <maybeway36> im out
[01:52] <wpk> jembouge_: what graphic card do you have?
[01:52] <wpk> intel?
[01:53] <jembouge_> yes
[01:53] <jembouge_> wpk > yes
[01:53] <wpk> try i915resolution
[01:53] <wpk> or sth like that
[01:53] <jembouge_> didn't do anything
[01:53] <wpk> have you configured it properly?
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> wpk: this is independant of the driver
[01:53] <Daisuke-Ido> *install* i915resolution.
[01:53] <jembouge_> installed it on previous installations and didn't do anything at all
[01:53] <Daisuke-Ido> and besides, what intel chipset?
[01:53] <bascule> !info 915resolution
[01:53] <wpk> jembouge_: have you configured it properly?
[01:54] <bascule> !hi
[01:54] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:54] <dmcglone> wpk, thats what i'm trying to help him do, but he keeps getting sidetracked
[01:54] <jembouge_> I think so, the thing is this bug is common it seems
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: yes
[01:57] <jembouge_> ok, so I've changed the line in the file as said on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/25656
[01:57] <jembouge_> so... coming back soon
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> jembouge_: make sure you restartthe X server.
[02:01] <Xcell> I am soooo glad I dont do microsoft anymore.
[02:01] <jembouge> Hi there!!!!
[02:01] <jembouge> the problem has gone!!!!
[02:02] <Xcell> Beer please.
[02:02] <jembouge> KDM looks just "perfect", or at least, as it should!
[02:02] <jembouge> oh yeah, good damn beer
[02:02] <dmcglone> !beer
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <Xcell> lol i almost did that
[02:02] <dmcglone> ouch
[02:02] <jembouge> ok, all you who helped me or would have liked too, virtual beer for everyone, and it's all on me!
[02:03] <dmcglone> poor ubotu missing out on a lot of fun
[02:03] <wpk> jembouge: real solution - real beer, those are the rules!
[02:03] <Xcell> !smart
[02:03] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[02:03] <dmcglone> !sexy woman
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sexy woman - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: Root Beer float!
[02:03] <jembouge> wpk, where do you live?
[02:03] <wpk> jembouge: poland
[02:03] <wpk> :P
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | everyone
[02:03] <ubotu> everyone: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[02:03] <jembouge> wow, too far for me, come to France
[02:03] <jembouge> :p
[02:04] <dmcglone> !helperbeer | david
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helperbeer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <wpk> jembouge: maybe in January :P
[02:04] <dmcglone> man is this a non-alcoholic chat?
[02:04] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: glad it worked.
[02:04] <Xcell> lol france..aren't they sen-soring the net now?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> I'm about ta call the mods..
[02:04] <jembouge> sure, I'm over here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=46.590957,0.352936&spn=0.055916,0.160675&z=13&om=1
[02:04] <dmcglone> !france
[02:04] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:05] <dmcglone> that says it all! LOL
[02:05] <jembouge> yeah, me too, now I can show off to my friends who still use windblows
[02:05] <Xcell> Tattle tales are not welcome.
[02:05] <dmcglone> they not only sensored it, they made it so you can even read it! LOL
[02:06] <dmcglone> !donkey
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about donkey - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <jembouge> really thanks very much to all of you guys
[02:06] <dmcglone> no problem jemouge
[02:06] <dmcglone> that was all in a days work ;-)
[02:06] <jembouge> yeah but I feel relieved now
[02:07] <dmcglone> never fear, dmcglone's near
 good guy.
[02:07] <jembouge> I'm not sure I'm gonna go to bed now, it's 3.06am, and gotta get up early... dmcglone: lol
[02:07] <dmcglone> how long have you all been using linux?
[02:08] <dmcglone> night hembouge, all that hackin' made you tired?
[02:08] <Xcell> Couple months for me..and i'm kickin my self for the lag of not doing so earlier.
[02:08] <jembouge> kubuntu for less than 2 weeks, before that was debian for over 3 months, and before that, mandriva, fedora and others, just trying
[02:09] <dmcglone> Woah!
[02:09] <dmcglone> I've been using linux since the RH 6.1 days
[02:09] <Xcell> I tried mandrake..to buggy.
[02:09] <dmcglone> I hate mandrake
[02:09] <dmcglone> SuSE is a bloated piece of dung too!
[02:09] <Xcell> It gave me a new setup @ every boot..lol.
[02:10] <jembouge> I eventually found the distro I like, although I would have that sudo thing taken out of my box I would feel better, but I got used to it now
[02:10] <Xcell> SuSe is SiSSy.
[02:10] <dmcglone> fedora is all right, i just hate the lack of a centralized place for system settings
[02:10] <jembouge> lol, what I really enjoy in kubuntu is that one can remove packages, and only those you want,
[02:10] <Xcell> Ubuntu has their act together it seems.
[02:11] <dmcglone> I used RH all the way up till it changed to fedora, then I switched
[02:11] <jembouge> with debian, try to remove kcalc and it will remove the whole KDE!!!
[02:11] <dmcglone> jembouge, thats true, but depends on how you do it
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I was a slackware then suse, finally kubuntu user
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu just plain rocks
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> sure, it has some rough edges,
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> but everything does generally just work
[02:12] <rrbiz> with ubuntu i got the same issue of trying to remove one kde app and removes all kde
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> err
[02:12] <Xcell> right on nosrednaekim.
[02:12] <dmcglone> it does. because debian cares about stability
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> most of those rough edges are going away with hardy
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke-Ido: thats what they always say.... but hey... then we;d be put out of a job XD
[02:12] <Daisuke-Ido> one of the big goals for kubuntu is feature parity with ubuntu
[02:12] <Xcell> ya cant wait for hardy,,it will be supported for 3 yrs..that speaks volumes.
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> Xcell: so's dapper, hardy's not the first long-term release
[02:13] <dmcglone> support for my hardy will be till the day I die!
[02:13] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> dapper's supported until june of 2009
[02:13] <Xcell> lol
[02:13] <noiesmo> hello all I have laptop with crystal eye webcam in kopete the cam works yet in other apps i get /dev/video0 error running gusty kubuntu
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> dmcglone: you're going to die in april of 2011?
[02:13] <jembouge> dmcglone: poor you then, you'll die young
[02:13] <Xcell> Why is dapper supported so long?
[02:13] <dmcglone> when I die, then all support for my computers will cease. LOL
[02:13] <Daisuke-Ido> Xcell: because it's a long-term support release.
[02:13] <ardchoille> Xcell: It's an LTS
[02:14] <dmcglone> jembouge, I wish I was young
[02:14] <Xcell> ah..k.
[02:14] <dmcglone> LMAO
[02:14] <Daisuke-Ido> as i just said
[02:14] <ardchoille> Xcell: Hardy will be the next LTS release
[02:14] <Xcell> nice
[02:14] <Xcell> t/y ardchoille.
[02:14] <ardchoille> Xcell: One could probably use nothing but LTS releases and never have a gap in support.
[02:14] <ardchoille> Xcell: yw
[02:14] <Daisuke-Ido> ardchoille: no probably
[02:15] <Daisuke-Ido> that's what they want :)
[02:15] <dmcglone> I think it's time for me to get ready for bed.
[02:15] <stainz70> hi
[02:15] <ardchoille> Daisuke-Ido: Ah, yeah
[02:15] <Xcell> cant wait.
[02:15] <Xcell> no
[02:15] <jembouge> well, I really want to try "new" KDM stuff now, so I'll set the font to something bigger than 4px now... and give it a try :D
[02:15] <jembouge> stainz70: hi
[02:15] <dmcglone> jembouge, give compiz fusion a try
[02:16] <jembouge> already done :p
[02:16] <dmcglone> still using it?
[02:16] <rrbiz> jembouge: hey the same issue is on ubuntu as debian with trying to remove one kde package removes the whole kde WM when you install KDE yourself like i did after being on gnome
[02:16] <dmcglone> rrbiz it's not an issue
[02:16] <dmcglone> it's the way it works
[02:16] <dmcglone> like they say "it's not a bug, it's a feature"
[02:16] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:16] <ardchoille> lol
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> wrong!
[02:17] <Xcell> dmcglone:  its only 9:16.
[02:17] <Xcell> ya lol.
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> removing one kde package does *not* remove kde
[02:17] <dmcglone> Xcell, I got to work at 6am :-(
[02:17] <Daisuke-Ido> if you installed kubuntu-desktop, at least
[02:17] <dmcglone> Daisuke-ldo, pay attention to the JOKE! LMAO
[02:17] <Xcell> ah ok..till next time dmcglone, god bless.
[02:17] <rrbiz> dmcglone: i asked on kde channel and they said it's a distro issue
[02:18] <jembouge> rrbiz: 't was hard to get what you meant, but I haven't had that "problem" with kubuntu
[02:18] <Daisuke-Ido> (and that is the easiest and "proper" way to install kde)
[02:18] <jembouge> dmcglone yeah see you
[02:18] <Daisuke-Ido> it removes the kubuntu-desktop package, which is okay, it's just a metapackage
[02:18] <dmcglone> Ok guys, I'll try and be back tomorrow evening
[02:18] <Xcell> hurry
[02:19] <Xcell> no waiting
[02:19] <dmcglone> but for now, i've gotta go check on the kids and get my Zzzzz's
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> dmcglone: i wasn't responding to your joke, i was responding to the false information given
[02:19] <dmcglone> it wasn't false if it was a joke
[02:19] <jembouge> what's a Zzzzz's ?
[02:19] <dmcglone> sleep jembouge...LOL
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> not from you.
[02:19] <ardchoille> jembouge: denotes that someone is sleeping
[02:19] <jembouge> oh ok
[02:19] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:19] <jembouge> an onomatopea I guess
[02:19] <Daisuke-Ido> i was responding to rrbiz's comment
[02:20] <jembouge> (making up the word)
[02:20] <dmcglone> Ok Daisuke, you can get that wedgie out of your butt now
[02:20] <dmcglone> don't be so uptight
[02:20]  * nosrednaekim dons a flamesuit
[02:20]  * nosrednaekim watches eagerly
[02:20] <dmcglone> anyway, y'all chill and i'll catch ya's tomorrow evening
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> dmcglone: c ya
[02:21] <dmcglone> c ya
[02:21]  * Daisuke-Ido grumbles
[02:21] <Daisuke-Ido> i don't like him.
[02:21] <Daisuke-Ido> not that i have much room to talk, i would bet there are plenty around that don't like me either :)
[02:21] <Xcell> ok Daisuke-Ido:  chill..we are just goshing ..dont take things so mserious.
[02:21] <Xcell> serious
[02:22] <Xcell> relax.
[02:22]  * nosrednaekim pokes Daisuke-Ido with a fork
[02:22] <leftylink> so, I'm got Gutsy's Live Cd... and when I boot from it, it says something like initramfs: Exception! And spits memory addresses at me
[02:22] <leftylink> is there any hope, or is my hardware incompatible?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> leftylink: did you test your cd to see if it was ok?
[02:22] <Daisuke-Ido> Xcell: i was also not talking about you.  a false statement was made, i corrected it.  what you read into it is your problem
[02:22] <leftylink> when I boot the CD on a different computer, it works perfectly, so I'm assuming hardware issue...
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> leftylink: yeah.... possibly.
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> leftylink: what is the hardware?
[02:23] <Daisuke-Ido> now, this is offtopic, so time to stop discussing it.
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> doesn't ANYONE need help?
[02:24] <jembouge> well, I really gottago to bed too, 3.23am.... my wife wouldn't be very happy if I had one....
[02:24] <rrbiz> i had opacity and transulency and kde was slow as heck, went with all the default kde looks no background and i'm back to normal sheesh
[02:24] <jembouge> thanks nosrednaekim, you work well tonight already
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: then stop worrying about it
[02:24] <jembouge> LOL
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> jembouge: I try.... thanks.
[02:25] <jembouge> see you all at a later time
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> and you... good luck
[02:25] <jembouge> as every evening since I'm on kubuntu
[02:25] <Xcell> Take care jembouge.
[02:25] <jembouge> cheers
[02:25] <jembouge> lol, no probs  Xcell :)
[02:25] <Xcell> nice.
[02:25] <jembouge> c ya
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> bye all! I need to get some sleep too
[02:28] <Xcell> k
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> (although its only 9:30
[02:28] <jac0b> how do I set my permissions so I can mount and write to my ext3 drive
[02:29] <the-erm> jac0b: is it usb?
[02:30] <jac0b> nope its a hardrive
[02:31] <jac0b> its my storage drive
[02:36] <Xcell> 1 more time.
[02:36] <jac0b> does anyone know how to set my read/write permission for ext3 drive I have
[02:38] <christian_> Bonjou tout le monde! =D
[02:40] <christian_> Anybody on?
[02:40] <maduser> yeah
[02:40] <christian_> Heya
[02:41] <N1ghtm4r3> there we go
[02:43] <dmcglone> Hey all
[02:44] <dmcglone> I decided to hang out a little later and chat for a while
[02:46] <neville> How can I set a static IP address for my computer?
[02:49] <maduser> try knetworkmanager
[02:50] <dmcglone> Hey
[02:50] <Xcell> ya
[02:50] <dmcglone> I decided to hang out a little longer
[02:50] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:50] <Xcell> cool
[02:51] <maduser> .......
[02:51] <Xcell> will talk for beer.
[02:51] <dmcglone> I figure I can sleep tomorrow
[02:51]  * jsubl2 passes Xcell a bud light
[02:51] <dmcglone> <hands Xcell a virtual beer>
[02:51] <Xcell> ya hiccup.
[02:52] <dmcglone> is most everyone here in or out of the USA?
[02:52] <Xcell> im in babylon usa.
[02:53] <dmcglone> babylon? sounds like my college civics class.
[02:53] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:53] <Xcell> lol
[02:53] <jsubl2> dallas
[02:54] <Xcell> I live where fried pork knuckles are a delicacy.
[02:54] <jsubl2> arkansas
[02:54] <jsubl2> ?
[02:54] <dmcglone> I live in columbus ohio
[02:54] <Xcell> cool, my wife is from ohio..lima defiance.
[02:54] <maduser> Xcell: where is that?
[02:54] <dmcglone> I've been to lima, about 2.5 hours from here
[02:55] <Xcell> I am originally from N.Y.
[02:55] <Xcell> But live in fla.
[02:55] <dmcglone> Ah fla. wish I was there
[02:55] <Xcell> nah  these people live in a 1 horse town. And the front half is still missing.
[02:55] <dmcglone> poor me has never left the state of ohio
[02:56] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:56] <maduser> Im in New York
[02:56] <alexbe01__> of the horse?
[02:56] <Xcell> I collaged out in hudson in 82
[02:56] <adamonline45> I ripped a DVD with k9copy, but it only plays sound, shows a static image, and when i try to navigate through it, it jumps back to the beginning... Does anyone know what I have to do to get a good rip?  Or is this an .avi codec issue?
[02:56] <dmcglone> what part maduser?
[02:57] <maduser> 20 miles from the city
[02:57] <Xcell> I am a electronics tech, Mostly rf tech, 2way radio.
[02:57] <alexbe01__> been to lima and defiance (only about 45 minutes from here), and yes, definitely tiny places
[02:57] <dmcglone> maduser, I'm not registered to send messages
[02:57] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: /nickserv register password email
[02:58] <dmcglone> Xcell, I am an electronics engineer
[02:58] <Xcell> nice
[02:58] <alexbe01__> that'll get you set up :)
[02:58] <Xcell> I build 10.000 watt amps.
[02:58] <dmcglone> not that I love it though, I endeed up working in healthcare
[02:58] <Xcell> from scratch, and repair ham rigs.
[02:58] <Xcell> lol
[02:58] <dmcglone> I play my guitar on 10,000 watt amps...LOL
[02:58] <Xcell> lol
[02:59] <Xcell> hahah
[02:59] <Xcell> tube i hope
[02:59] <alexbe01__> i tried playing air guitar on a 10k watt amp...  didn't make it any louder
[02:59] <maduser> Xcell: whats you call sign?
[02:59] <Xcell> wb5udi
[02:59] <maduser> are you a general?
[02:59] <Xcell> class 1
[02:59] <dmcglone> got a line 6 spider 3 half stack
[03:00] <maduser> technician/
[03:00] <maduser> technician?
[03:00] <Xcell> I quit my license in 92 when uncle sam started data mining call signs.
[03:00] <dmcglone> Ha Ha, don't you just hate uncle sam
[03:00] <maduser> yeah there monitering us
[03:00] <Xcell> I am nationally known as (Radio-Man).
[03:01] <Condoulo> I have a question about the KDE4 desktop
[03:01] <N1ghtm4r3> God i love Kubuntu lol
[03:01] <alexbe01__> !kde4
[03:01] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[03:01] <alexbe01__> hrmm
[03:01] <Xcell> I had the biggest repair shop in fla between 90-95 in tampa.
[03:01] <dmcglone> kde4 is still beta
[03:01] <alexbe01__> there's a kde developer chan, that's the place to ask about kde4
[03:02] <Condoulo> ok.
[03:02] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: it hit RC already (which is roughly equivalent to SP1 of a MS product :)
[03:02] <dmcglone> I dare install it, I don't feel llike having a headache today
[03:02] <Condoulo> I was just wondering if anybody was has tested it and if it would be worth using when it comes out.
[03:02] <Xcell> Now i boot leg my services..I build huge amps..steel tube.
[03:03] <dmcglone> alexbe01 anything equivalent to an MS product isn't good enough for me
[03:03] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: just referring to the point in the release process
[03:03] <alexbe01__> at SP1, MS products are more or less usable
[03:03] <dmcglone> build me a 300,000 watt amp Xcell
[03:03] <N1ghtm4r3> wow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Kdebeta2_plasma.png
[03:03] <dmcglone> alexbe01 I know
[03:03] <Xcell> I can..4cx 4000a...
[03:03] <alexbe01__> when it hits release it will be far superior :D
[03:04] <N1ghtm4r3> this is pretty good looking ... i hope its gona be as user-friendly as kde3 tho
[03:04] <alexbe01__> N1ghtm4r3: moreso
[03:04] <Xcell> and my amps are (clean).
[03:04] <BluesKaj> Condoulo, some ppl here have successfully installed kde4 , but my 2 attempts were unsuccessful , and i still don't know what went wrong ;P
[03:04] <dmcglone> any linux beta release is equilivent to MS, but the final release surpasses MS and thats what I like
[03:04] <Xcell> lol m$
[03:04] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: exactly :)
[03:04] <dmcglone> Ah Xcell I like my amps dirty
[03:04] <alexbe01__> and that's why i switched to k/ubuntu
[03:05] <Condoulo> I am currently a GNOME user. Considering to switch over to KDE. Hence why I ask about if KDE4 will be worth it.
[03:05] <alexbe01__> (kubuntu on the desktop, ubuntu on the laptop)
[03:05] <dmcglone> well alex if you install a beta release, you might as well install MS
[03:05] <Xcell> distortion has its attributes..covering all frequencies that the ear can handle..3-24k.
[03:05] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:05] <Condoulo> I have a question about Kubuntu 7.10. Does it have that new xorg config manager that Ubuntu 7.10 has?
[03:06] <alexbe01__> dmcglone: nope, because i can upgrade and surpass MS shortly afterward
[03:06] <N1ghtm4r3> I tried gnome for a while
[03:06] <N1ghtm4r3> hated it
[03:06] <dmcglone> Xcell I have a bionic ear
[03:06] <alexbe01__> Condoulo: not *yet*
[03:06] <BluesKaj> Xcell, as long as it's harmonic distortion I can dig it :)
[03:06] <alexbe01__> hardy is supposed to have it
[03:06] <Xcell> Then you have troubles.
[03:06] <dmcglone> LOL X, nah not at all
[03:06] <Xcell> mossfet cant handle distortion.
[03:07] <Condoulo> alexbe01_- That means Kubuntu is safe with my video card for another... 4-5 months? whoo. But by the time Heron comes out, I will probably get a video card that is better supported. (to tell the truth, the new xorg manger in Ubuntu sucks with ATI cards.)
[03:07] <dmcglone> you might find this hard to believe, but I am deaf and have been playing guitar for about 13 years
[03:08] <Xcell> ati I have seen stinks with linux.
[03:08] <N1ghtm4r3> I hated Ubuntu because my video card realy hates me and gnome. Switched to KDE3 to see  , I tought It was gona be the same lol .. then i fell in love!
[03:08] <BluesKaj> <--still has an old Heathkit AA29 amp with germanium transistors in the outputs :)
[03:08] <dmcglone> my ati radeon 200m works great with linux
[03:08] <Xcell> t03 case..nice Blue.
[03:08] <Condoulo> I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200
[03:08] <N1ghtm4r3> i have a ATI Radeon 9250 256Mb AGP ... it cant handle Gnome so well
[03:09] <dmcglone> condoulo same here
[03:09] <alexbe01__> Xcell: ati is slowly getting better
[03:09] <BluesKaj> Condoulo, same here
[03:09] <alexbe01__> not perfect yet, but i have high hopes :)
[03:09] <N1ghtm4r3> true
[03:09] <Condoulo> What I had to do to even get 7.10, is to install Ubuntu 7.04 first, then install the ATI drivers, then do the upgrade.
[03:09] <dmcglone> alexbe: mine works great
[03:09] <Xcell> Germanium is high voltage switching.70 volt line.
[03:09] <dmcglone> I used the drivers straight from ATI
[03:10] <BluesKaj> ati 200m and 200g , very common grfx cards
[03:10] <Xcell> Closest thing to tubes.
[03:10] <Condoulo> I am wanting to get a new nVidia card anyway because I don't like the fact that my ATI graphics is integrated.
[03:10] <N1ghtm4r3> used Wine cglone?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> Xcell, i built this amp in 1972
[03:10] <dmcglone> I never did care for nvidia
[03:10] <Xcell> heath kit?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:11] <dmcglone> N1ghtm no, ATI provides drivers for linux on their site
[03:11] <N1ghtm4r3> Conduoulo , I heard that if ATI hates Gnome , well Nvidia LOATH KDE
[03:11] <Xcell> nice..i have a couple old hk's they use 3-500z tubes.
[03:11] <Xcell> 5000 plate voltage.
[03:11] <dmcglone> them tubes are expensive to replace
[03:12] <Xcell> nah 90 us dollars now..and they are now graphite.
[03:12] <N1ghtm4r3> Is there a version of Kubuntu for Cell/PowerPc processors? my bro wants to install Kubuntu on his ps3
[03:12] <dmcglone> cost about 200.00 bucks a pop for a tube for a marshall head
[03:12] <Xcell> ya marshal is expensive but quality.
[03:12] <dmcglone> yeah
[03:12] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, what cpu speed ?
[03:12] <Condoulo> Is there a good ATI card that would work great in Linux?
[03:12] <Xcell> is it 500 watt?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> and RAM
[03:13] <dmcglone> my dream is to have a mesa boogie
[03:13] <N1ghtm4r3> Blue , Im not sure actualy , what are the specs for a PS3?
[03:13] <dmcglone> 250 I think
[03:13] <Xcell> ah nice.
[03:13] <Xcell> peavy speakers
[03:13] <Xcell> or phisher
[03:13] <dmcglone> peavy
[03:13] <Xcell> nice
[03:14] <dmcglone> I like my line 6 though
[03:14] <Xcell> pauses for the causes..brb.
[03:14] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, prolly 500mhz and 256 ram..it's ll run kubuntu but it won't be suprer fast
[03:14] <dmcglone> it's not tube, but it has really has great tube sound
[03:14] <dmcglone> and the line 6 pod is awesome
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj, I believe its WAY higher than this , I think its a dual Cell 2.0Ghz or something like that
[03:15] <BluesKaj> P3 ?
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> PS3
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> oh
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[03:15] <N1ghtm4r3> no a Cell
[03:15] <dmcglone> I got an AMD turion 64 and it's blazing fast.
[03:16] <dmcglone> I pick AMD over intel any day!
[03:16] <N1ghtm4r3> Cell is pretty much similar to PowerPc (Apple's old processor , made by Motorolla i think)
[03:16] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3,oh ...sorry ...nevermind , then there's no prob :)
[03:17] <N1ghtm4r3> oh btw BluesKaj, how do you do this , the kind of red message ... im not used to IRC .. i usualy use IM programs
[03:17] <BluesKaj> <amd 64  3200+ venice...fastest pc i ever owned , but i keep my computers around for yrs
[03:18] <dmcglone> I keep my computers around for years also. I stil have an IBM Aptiva with a k6
[03:18] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, you use the person's nick in the sentence
[03:18] <Xcell> lol aptive..sounds like a m$ appetite.
[03:19] <dmcglone> that was the very first computer I put linux on
[03:19] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj, so all i gota do is type its name?
[03:19] <Xcell> wow 96 version
[03:19] <dmcglone> it's like 11 years old
[03:19] <N1ghtm4r3> the nickname*
[03:20] <BluesKaj> 233mhz MMX P2 ..ran sue and knoppix, fedora even debian
[03:20] <BluesKaj> yes N1ghtm4r3
[03:21] <dmcglone> I ran RH up till it switched to fedora, then tried mandrake briefly then suse for a while, then found kubuntu
[03:21] <Xcell> I had hp 233's worked well..seemed very solid.
[03:21] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, when use my nick it comes up red on my text
[03:21] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj that is pretty awesome o_O
[03:21] <BluesKaj> sue=suse
[03:21] <dmcglone> still have em X?
[03:21] <N1ghtm4r3> N1ghtm4r3 LOL AUTO SPAM! MUHAHA
[03:22] <Xcell> no I sold them into slavery.
[03:22] <N1ghtm4r3> but yeah
[03:22] <N1ghtm4r3> I pretty much tried only 3 different Linux distros in my life
[03:22] <N1ghtm4r3> i have so much to discover! *crycry*
[03:22] <dmcglone> I'm using an old Dell that I refurb'd as one of my servers
[03:22] <Xcell> intel
[03:23] <dmcglone> gave the IBM to my kids
[03:23] <BluesKaj> I managed to get bsd on the 233  too but it wouldn't recognize any of the hardware
[03:23] <dmcglone> Yeah it's got a PII
[03:23] <Xcell> ah
[03:23] <N1ghtm4r3> I tried , Ubuntu 7.04 , tried an old version of Knoppix on LiveCd , am runing Kubuntu 7.10 at the moment
[03:23] <Xcell> I love amd..it rocks.
[03:23] <dmcglone> me to
[03:23] <dmcglone> I almost despise intel
[03:24] <Xcell> me 2.
[03:24] <N1ghtm4r3> hey! gimme a break dude im stuck on intel cause i cant afford anything else
[03:24] <N1ghtm4r3> next comp i get tho i'll do exactly like i did for this one .. i wont buy any OS with it and install linux on it asap
[03:24] <N1ghtm4r3> lol
[03:24] <dmcglone> N1, no problem. We all been in that boat.
[03:24] <Xcell> intel aint cheaper.
[03:25] <N1ghtm4r3> no i mean .. the comp i could actualy afford had an intel
[03:25] <Xcell> k
[03:25] <N1ghtm4r3> so guess what i got now *shrug*
[03:25] <BluesKaj> intel's new dual cpu blows amd out of the water on the benchmarks I'm afraid
[03:25] <dmcglone> X the celron's are cheap
[03:25] <Xcell> ur fine...enjoy.
[03:25] <N1ghtm4r3> lol x
[03:25] <dmcglone> Blues, you believe all that hype?
[03:26] <Xcell> ya celeron I cant handle..like having a 2 barrel 500 horse power motor.
[03:26] <dmcglone> LOL X
[03:26] <N1ghtm4r3> Compaq EVO , Intel Pentium 4 1.7Ghz , 640Mb SDRAM , ATI Radeon 9250 256Mb AGP , Quantum Fireball 40Gb , Seagate 80Gb both IDE
[03:26] <dmcglone> the cheaper version of celeron doesn't have any onboard cache, and it sucks
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> it sucks
[03:27] <BluesKaj> dmcglone, well been reading about it ... dunno if the mags have reason to lie about their test results
[03:27] <dmcglone> well for starters it's a Compaq, no wonder it sucks!
[03:27] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> lol true dmc
[03:27] <Xcell> ya like the shiny new doggy in the window=celeron.
[03:27] <dmcglone> BluesKaj Intel probablly paid that mag to say what they did
[03:27] <BluesKaj> hmmm, mine's a compaq with amd 64
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> the only thing i like about my comp is that i will never have to worry about my powersupply
[03:27] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:27] <N1ghtm4r3> aparently its very good lol
[03:28] <dmcglone> IBM, Dell and HP are the brand I trust
[03:28] <dmcglone> IBM and HP more so than Dell
[03:28] <N1ghtm4r3> i used to hate HP and Dell for some reason
[03:29] <Xcell> I use 600 watt switching supplies they handle the load..just make sure it has a push pull fanage.
[03:29] <N1ghtm4r3> HP =  bundled crap
[03:29] <N1ghtm4r3> Dell = no service ..
[03:29] <dmcglone> N1Ghtm, your talking about an HP and a dell with windows on them
[03:29] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:29] <Xcell> oi
[03:29] <Xcell> lol
[03:29] <dmcglone> I'm talking hardware wise
[03:30] <N1ghtm4r3> IBM = dunno .. the only IBM i could experience where the old ones in my school ... P2 133 lol
[03:30] <N1ghtm4r3> or 333?
[03:30] <dmcglone> IBM doesn't make personal computers much anymore
[03:30] <N1ghtm4r3> DMC , i actualy tried knoppix on that other dell and it sucked just as much
[03:31] <Xcell> I started on a ps286 ibm back in 96..a whole (12) mhz..xtreeGold brought it to a whopping 40 mhz..lol
[03:31] <dmcglone> I can understand that.
[03:31] <N1ghtm4r3> my dell comp was f*cked anyway ... tried to contact technical support to get info to how fixing it and stuff ... they never actualy answered .. now its in a closet colecting massive amount of dust
[03:32] <dmcglone> mine was a 286 with I think 32 Mb of ram and 4 gig drive
[03:32] <Xcell> All I had to do is put a set of wheels on it , and drive away.
[03:32] <N1ghtm4r3> lol x
[03:32] <dmcglone> N!ghtm wanna sell it
[03:32] <Xcell> I had 8 megs
[03:32] <dmcglone> I could have it working lilke new in 1 day
[03:32] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:32] <N1ghtm4r3> nah my mom uses it as a security thingie now , seted it up for her last time i went to her house
[03:32] <dmcglone> heck I used to have a comadore 64
[03:33] <N1ghtm4r3> it has great memory yet not a lot , it also works on SCSI
[03:33]  * BluesKaj wonders when the ops are gonna give us the OT warning :)
[03:33] <Xcell> not me..i was around when they came out..i am 47 today...tomorrow i'll be 37..again.
[03:33] <N1ghtm4r3> its an old server comp that we got for almost nothing
[03:33] <dmcglone> I don't think well get in trouble if nobody is asking questions to answer
[03:34] <groovesalad> i removed cupsys through adept, which removed additional packages i didnt notice- i did a ctrl c when i noticed. upon restart, kdm wont start. what should i install/do?
[03:34] <N1ghtm4r3> dmcglone , ?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> dmcglone, shhhhhh.......
[03:34] <Xcell> its friday..the office is closed except for inquirers.
[03:34] <dmcglone> groovesalad try: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <groovesalad> k thx
[03:34] <dmcglone> LOL Blues
[03:35] <BluesKaj> why remove cups , groovesalad ?
[03:35] <N1ghtm4r3> is there actualy a linux prayer?
[03:35] <Xcell> ya
[03:35] <dmcglone> N1, no but there is an M$ prayer
[03:35] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:35] <Xcell> re-covering linuxaholics
[03:36] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, for audio - amarok
[03:36] <N1ghtm4r3> sudo apt-get digest the-christ's-body
[03:36] <groovesalad> i dotn have a printer
[03:36] <N1ghtm4r3> something like that?
[03:36] <Xcell> sudo apt-get remove./bill gates
[03:36] <dmcglone> bill gates prayer goes something like this: Dear lord, we are gathered here today to pray that linux would just dissapear.
[03:36] <N1ghtm4r3> BluesKaj , i know about the audio lol its the fist thing i seted up when i installed kubuntu yesterday night
[03:37] <N1ghtm4r3> Actualy think about it
[03:37] <BluesKaj> groovesalad, no matter , removing it isn't necessary
[03:37] <N1ghtm4r3> Linux isnt much of a treath for WinDose
[03:37] <dmcglone> if they don't I will start suing anyone and everyone for anything and everything I can think of
[03:37] <N1ghtm4r3> for M$ i mean lol
[03:37] <groovesalad> i didnt want to be bothered with updates to it either
[03:37] <BluesKaj> N1ghtm4r3, was funnin ya , eveyone has their favs
[03:38] <groovesalad> and i dont want hplips or whatever to load when i boot up
[03:38] <N1ghtm4r3> Blueskaj, yeah i love amarok
[03:38] <Xcell> Actually,(with its freedom) Linux is easier to learn than windoze.
[03:38] <dmcglone> Xcell, where did you get that?
[03:38] <Xcell> Thought process.
[03:39] <N1ghtm4r3> WinDo$e is easier to learn in my opinion .. only cause it lets you fuck it up so easily
[03:39] <dmcglone> that can't be true, because there's actually nothing in windows to learn. It doesn't take an einstein to move a mouse.  Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:40] <Xcell> lol N1ghtm4r3
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> aw dude!
[03:40] <dmcglone> LOL someone got yelled at
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> yeah!
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> fun fun fun!
[03:40] <N1ghtm4r3> no big deal lol
[03:40] <dmcglone> to top it off it was a "robot" that yelled at you
[03:40] <dmcglone> LOL
[03:41] <N1ghtm4r3> yeah
[03:41] <N1ghtm4r3> i bet it kicks me if i do it again?
[03:41]  * genii sips a coffee
[03:41] <Xcell> time to let the hair down politely and converse about the times and why bill gates stinks..lol.
[03:41] <dmcglone> I got kicked the other day  for this:
[03:41] <bazhang> N1ghtm4r3: good guess
[03:41] <BluesKaj> just don't get outta hand with the language and the capital letters and you'll be ok
[03:41]  * N1ghtm4r3 dances to the music of EastClubbers
[03:41] <dmcglone> !asshole
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asshole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <dmcglone> LMAO
[03:41] <dmcglone> bye
[03:41] <N1ghtm4r3> HAHAHAH
[03:41] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[03:42] <Xcell> dmcglone:  chill buddy.. be congenial.
[03:42]  * genii slides stdin a coffee and some aspirin
[03:42]  * stdin downs both in one go
[03:42] <sub[t]rnl> rofl
[03:42] <bazhang> dmcglone is really active on kubuntu mailing lists--odd
[03:43] <Xcell> dmcglone is just letting off steam..he is a good guy.
[03:43] <BluesKaj> he got carried away
[03:43] <N1ghtm4r3> anyway peoples im leaving for now , im gona try my freshly installed Condition-Zero on Wine lol
[03:43] <bazhang> he is indeed--very helpful normally
[03:43] <N1ghtm4r3> see ya!
[03:43] <Xcell> I think he did it on purpose to leave without being rude.
[03:43]  * N1ghtm4r3 leaves
[03:44] <sub[t]rnl> he knew it was coming
[03:44] <genii> Any actual pending support questions? ;)
[03:44] <bazhang> fer sure
[03:44] <groovesalad> kubuntu-desktop didnt work, anything else?
[03:45] <Xcell> k doing things will re-boot shortly..brb
[03:45] <genii> groovesalad: Please recap your issue, I just got here :)
[03:46] <groovesalad> i removed cupsys through adept, which removed additional packages i didnt notice- i did a ctrl c when i noticed. upon restart, kdm wont start. what should i install/do?
[03:47] <genii> you just did the kubuntu-desktop reinstall?
[03:47] <groovesalad> i see a cursor, xserver seems to work
[03:47] <groovesalad> ya i reinstalled
[03:47] <genii> groovesalad: Did you do: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ?
[03:48] <groovesalad> sweet thank you that did it
[03:48] <genii> :)
[03:48]  * genii sips his coffee
[03:48] <sub[t]rnl> +1 genii
[03:49]  * sub[t]rnl sips
[03:49]  * genii tops off everyone's mugs
[03:49] <BluesKaj> !botsnack | genii
[03:49] <ubotu> genii: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:49] <genii> !helpersnack
[03:49] <ubotu> Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[03:49] <genii> ;)
[03:50] <genii> Seems quiet tonight
[03:50] <maduser> when using wine after i install awindows program should i restart my computer?
[03:51]  * BluesKaj tries to remember the bot cmnds ...but it's late
[03:51] <m4v> maduser: I don't think so, I never did that when using wine ...
[03:51] <BluesKaj> maduser, usually not necessary
[03:52] <maduser> ok
[03:52] <BluesKaj> nite all
[03:52] <Xcell> nite blue
[03:53] <maduser> bull
[03:53] <maduser> wine was configured to windows 2000
[03:54] <maduser> I believe thats bad
[03:54] <Xcell> win2k is more stable than win 95 version cwich was the stablest version at the time
[03:54] <Xcell> c
[03:54] <Xcell> version   C
[03:55] <Xcell> When you install win..dont upgrade..and use explorer 5.5..thats all.
[03:56] <Xcell> nuff of gates garbage..
[03:57] <Xcell> Think: if win has the handle on games.(and thats all) why use it?
[03:59] <genii> windows also has an advantage in the packaging method... everything is an exe or msi. In linux you have all the different install methods which confuses new users
[03:59] <genii> "how come I can't ue this rpm?" (when in a debian based dist)  etc
[03:59] <Xcell> But that endorses the user to learn.
[04:00] <Xcell> Linux is more logically inclined..code is sparatic in nature.
[04:00] <genii> most ppl don't care to learn things, they just want to download and install a program usually, etc
[04:00] <Xcell> see
[04:01] <bazhang> true. but familiar does not mean superior
[04:01] <Xcell> That speaks volumes about windoze users.
[04:01] <bazhang> more roaches than humans on earth
[04:02] <genii> bazhang: I agree :) My stance is just that most users migrating from an MS mindset think: Why can't I download and run this thing and it just puts the app on my box? etc
[04:02] <Xcell> imagine the back doors windoze users don't know about while bragging.
[04:02] <genii> "wheres intall.exe or setup.exe" or so on
[04:02] <bazhang> genii: and that is why you are priceless :} educating said users
[04:04] <Xcell> I am a beginner in the linux field..and via the ligical, I see it as forth coming to the future of computing for (free) thinkers.
[04:04] <genii> bazhang: Well, if all linux application packages used some universal system (besides source/make ;)  )  more ppl would convert
[04:04] <Xcell> its coming genii
[04:04] <genii> brb turning porch light on for deliveryman :)
[04:05] <bazhang> genii: excellent point, and I agree with Xcell :}
[04:05] <jelousbuddy> what does stupid paki mean? has any of you ever felt any great pain? how was it? !!! was it accident? how bad can it be if i am in a car accident for ex got hit by a train but still alive? or half burnt my entire skin including eyes? how about heart attack / failure?
[04:06] <Xcell> My only hope is , That corps dont saturate the field and ruin it through controlled greediness.
[04:06] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: please stop--this is a support channel
[04:07] <bazhang> Xcell: that train has left the station--they are on their way out
[04:07] <jelousbuddy> ok then
[04:07] <jelousbuddy> which version of linux is kde?
[04:07] <stdin> it's not any version
[04:07] <Xcell> Amen bazhang.
[04:07] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: kubuntu
[04:08] <bazhang> only answer possible :}
[04:08] <Xcell> brb
[04:08] <jelousbuddy> bazhang why would somebody prefer kde over gnome? what are the main benefits in few words?
[04:08] <genii> jelousbuddy: kde is not a version of linus, it is a window managing system "like a "skin system" sort of... for the part of linux that gives you a graphical interface
[04:08] <genii> linus->linux
[04:08] <stdin> jelousbuddy: this isn't the channel for that, this is a support channel
[04:09] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:10] <jelousbuddy> bazhang why do people join a channel and not leave and talk?
[04:10] <Xcell> I did a test..linux just out did windoze in the app start..amazing.
[04:11] <Xcell> windoze would have locked up chocking and ghasping for more ramage...lol.
[04:11] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: if you have a support question this is the place offtopic is for offtopic stuff
[04:11] <Xcell> nuff said
[04:12] <bazhang> hardy is even faster
[04:12] <jelousbuddy> bazhang> why are you so edgy?
[04:12] <bazhang> but that is waaay offtopic
[04:12] <Xcell> should I try bazhang?
[04:12] <jelousbuddy> :) can i smile? what are you thinking when i smile?
[04:12] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: too much kaffeine
[04:12] <Xcell> I have xtra hd's.
[04:12] <bazhang> Xcell: on a test machine
[04:13] <Xcell> k
[04:13] <Xcell> might just do it
[04:13] <Xcell> jelousbuddy: are you mentally ill?..
[04:14] <bazhang> jelousbuddy: there are ops who watch this channel, so best stop the chitchat
[04:14] <jelousbuddy> xcell when do you call someone mentally ill? when they are scared and screming and stuff?
[04:14] <stdin> jelousbuddy: stop that
[04:14] <jelousbuddy> stop telling me to stop that i am not a dog ey
[04:14] <sub[t]rnl> ruh roh
[04:15]  * m4v waits for it
[04:15] <ardchoille> Don't feed the troll folks :)
[04:15]  * stdin get's his "op" on
[04:15] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[04:15] <bazhang> uhoh
[04:15] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[04:15] <Xcell> nice.
[04:15] <stdin> jelousbuddy: that was a warning, please don't try to disrupt this channel again
[04:15] <jelousbuddy> what does banning and kicking off the channel actually do? why do i feel scared when you do this?
[04:16] <Xcell> guilty
[04:16] <bazhang> I noticed that when adding certain apps that the panel does a kind of refresh--is that something to be concerned about, or par for the course?
[04:16] <bazhang> like the panel will just disappear for a moment and then reappear
[04:16] <Xcell> why the concern bazhang..should that be ok?.or not.
[04:16] <Xcell> ah
[04:17] <Xcell> I had that happen yesterday
[04:17] <bazhang> no apparent long term effects that I can tell--just odd
[04:17] <stdin> bazhang: that's just kicker refreshing itself, reloading it's graphics
[04:17] <Xcell> seems reasonable.
[04:18] <bazhang> stdin: thanks! much appreciated :}
[04:18] <Xcell> but mine stayed gone..lol..didnt know how to restore so re-installed..what a chore.
[04:20] <bazhang> Xcell: perhaps next time look in the configure desktop setting and try to set the panel elsewhere? that has worked for me in the past
[04:20] <Xcell> I'm still in theincubation stages of learning.
[04:20] <Xcell> will do.
[04:21] <Xcell> nice tip.
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> you can also start the panel manually (alt +f2 -> kicker)
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> if it ever disappears again
[04:22] <sub[t]rnl> 2 cents
[04:23] <Xcell> did that it was still gone..plus..when i did have a new panel the icons did not represent the memory (stored-info) that was stored..
[04:24] <Xcell> conclusion..re-install..lol.
[04:24] <Xcell> even did a    touch /forcefsck
[04:25] <Xcell> still learning though..pretty ignorant so far.
[04:31] <bazhang> Xcell: a reinstall is usually not necessary as far as I know
[04:31] <Xcell> I realixe that. but i had no idea as to how to fix the willfully missing panel.
[04:32] <elisiano> I have some issues with kmilo, is this the right place to ask?
[04:32] <bazhang> Xcell: I did reinstalls in the beginning--it was the helpful folks here who told me otherwise
[04:33] <bazhang> elisiano: what issues?
[04:33] <flaccid_> how to change the alt + tab behaviour?
[04:33] <adamonline45> Well, I can't see the tooltips in GIMP.  I've determined that changing my KDE color scheme will let me see the tooltips.  When editing my colors in my custom color palette, though, I don't see anything relating TO to tooltips... Does anyone know what I'd have to change?  I presume the color's tied to some other entities color...  I KNOW someone's gone through this before 8)
[04:33] <elisiano> on my notebook it's all fine after an upgrade, but on my desktop when I rise the volume it's stuck at 11%
[04:34] <adamonline45> elisiano: Have you checked KMix?
[04:34] <elisiano> it's not a kmix issue
[04:34] <elisiano> I read that it's kmilo related
[04:35] <adamonline45> elisiano: Ahh... I wish I could help you there 8) gl!
[04:39] <Pilot> My Firefox requests the Java Runtime Environment Plugin.  Is this not the sun-java6-jre package in adept?  I have this installed but Firefox still requests the plugin be installed.
[04:41] <xevious-> my friend has a system with a nvidia 8800 gtx and the live cd loads up and the screen goes black after the "Kernel Alive" message
[04:41] <xevious-> any updated live CDs that work better with newer nvidia cards?
[04:42] <xevious-> this is on a 64bit system
[04:45] <elisiano> adamonline45: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723 (found some solutions there)
[04:45] <stdin> xevious: tell them to try with the safe graphics mode option
[04:57] <xevious> yo, linuxwizard. do you know, like, everything... about linucks? d00d?
[04:57] <xevious> cuz i need help
[04:57] <xevious> and a pointy hat. do you have one of those, too?
[04:57] <xevious> you know, those wizard hats...
[04:59] <Pilot> My Firefox requests the Java Runtime Environment Plugin.  Is this not the sun-java6-jre package in adept?  I have this installed but Firefox still requests the plugin be installed.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Pilot,  odd.. Try installing the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package
[05:00] <stdin> Pilot: you need to install "sun-java6-plugin" for the plugin
[05:02] <Pilot> stdin: Thanks mate :)
[05:06] <joos> hola
[05:07] <stdin> !es
[05:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:07] <Cannoli> hey
[05:07] <Cannoli> im having some issues with my ati driver installation. i did wht the instructions told me to do but im not getting the right fglrxinfo output
[05:09] <Cannoli> im suppose to be getting something similar to
[05:09] <Cannoli> $ fglrxinfo
[05:09] <Cannoli> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:09] <Cannoli> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:09] <Cannoli> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9700 Generic
[05:09] <Cannoli> OpenGL version string: 2.0.5755 (8.24.8)
[05:09] <Cannoli> but im getting
[05:09] <oobe> download the latest kernel wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/linux-0.01.tar.bz2
[05:10] <Cannoli> wht am i suppose to do with that?
[05:10] <oobe> sorry
[05:10] <oobe> nothing
[05:10] <Cannoli> ok
[05:10] <oobe> was a joke not directed to u really
[05:10] <Cannoli> $ fglrxinfo
[05:10] <Cannoli> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:10] <Cannoli> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:10] <Cannoli> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:10] <Cannoli> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.1)
[05:10] <Cannoli> thats wht im getting
[05:10] <stdin> !paste | Cannoli
[05:10] <ubotu> Cannoli: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:10] <Cannoli> oh sorry about that
[05:10] <Cannoli> forgot about the pastebin
[05:11] <Cannoli> but yea i followed the troubleshooting instructions too but still xserver does not seem to start
[05:11] <Cannoli> -_-
[05:11] <oobe> did you tell xorg to use the ati driver?
[05:12] <oobe> in xorg.conf
[05:12] <oobe> looks like its still using Mesa
[05:12] <oobe> an easy way to install the ati driver is to use envy
[05:12] <Cannoli> go on
[05:13] <oobe> download and install envy
[05:13] <oobe> google envy
[05:13] <stdin> do not use envy...
[05:13] <Cannoli> brb
[05:13] <Cannoli> gotta pick up my dad
[05:13] <oobe> what wrong with envy
[05:13] <Dr_willis> it can trash your system
[05:14] <stdin> it breaks a lot, and it's not supported
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ive never had issues with the restricted-manager installing my ati drivers.
[05:15] <oobe> ok fair enough
[05:15] <oobe> i used to just download the nvidia binaries directly from there site
[05:15] <oobe> cause i make my own kernel then i started using envy and havent had a problem with that either
[05:16] <stdin> we have a response for that too :)
[05:16] <stdin> !worksforme
[05:16] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[05:16] <unix_infidel> oobe: envy works well?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> The problem is often that someone that has NO idea how linux works.. and is trained in a 'windows mentality' tries to use it.. then gets mad at us when it does trash their system.
[05:16] <unix_infidel> i dont understand the necessity of having a 3d graphics driver.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> especially when you're using applications that dont require 3d.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> which is most linux users.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I dont understand why Nvidia and ati both cant allow it to be include..
[05:17] <stdin> at least we have intel on our side
[05:17] <oobe> yeah i would like to include it
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Yea. Good old intel.. but.. well.. do they have any decent high end 3d cards yet?
[05:18] <oobe> i dont use 3d acceleration but i need it for twinview i know there are other ways but its easy
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Twinview and tv out. and better video playback.
[05:18] <xevious> stdin: back to that 8800gtx issue: it goes black in safe graphics mode too
[05:19] <Dr_willis> and on a few of my box's i need the nvidia driver or the monitors settings dont get set right. (wide screen)
[05:19] <stdin> xevious: that's why I said the alternate cd is your best bet then
[05:19] <unix_infidel> oobe: not if you're using ati it's not easy.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> oobe: and you are serious about needing ATI for twinview, i've never tried it.
[05:20] <oobe> i use nvidia so i wouldnt know
[05:20] <Dr_willis> ATI has its own alternative to Twinview.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> no i mean needing 3d ati drivers.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Nvidia has 'Twinview' ati calle it somthing else..
[05:20] <oobe> the guy that was here asking about his ati card
[05:20] <unix_infidel> well, let me ask it this way.
[05:21] <unix_infidel> If i have two monitors and one GPU. Do i need 3d drivers to handle them.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  on my systems.. yes i do...
[05:21] <unix_infidel> and do i need 3d drivers to make it "usable" (note: different from functional)
[05:23] <oobe> i need 3d drivers so when i type glxgears it makes those little gears movie round
[05:29] <moparisthebest> I installed mythbuntu via
[05:29] <moparisthebest> apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[05:29] <moparisthebest> how would I go about removing it?
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> apt-get remove
[05:30] <moparisthebest> apt-get remove mythbuntu-desktop is what I have tried, it just removes the meta-package and leaves all the other junk
[05:30] <stdin> moparisthebest: "apt-get autoremove"
[05:31] <moparisthebest> apt-get autoremove does nothing as well
[05:32] <stdin> moparisthebest: how about "sudo apt-get autoremove mythbuntu-desktop"  ?
[05:32] <oobe> why do you want to remove it?
[05:32] <moparisthebest> my tv tuner card ended up not working, so I want to get rid of that
[05:33] <moparisthebest> ill give that a try stdin
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Yep - with the use of meta packages - removing  things can get a bit complex.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> I use MythTV as a Video Player for my PC/TV.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> I rarely record shows with it.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> its also good as a UPNP server for the rest of the lan
[05:33] <oobe> did you try the linuxtv drivers
[05:34] <moparisthebest> still just wants to remove the meta-package stdin
[05:34] <moparisthebest> actually others reported this card working with linux, but I couldn't get it to work
[05:34] <moparisthebest> i just finished building a media center box anyhow, so ill try it again with that
[05:34]  * genii fills up Dr_willis' hard drive with endless footage of Americas Funniest Videos
[05:34] <moparisthebest> I just want to get mythbuntu off my laptop and get it back to kubuntu
[05:35] <Dr_willis> genii,  i perfer animal planet - funny animal videos.
[05:35] <oobe> i guess its not that important to you but sounds like you can get it working i will help you if you want
[05:35] <genii> Dr_willis: :)
[05:35] <stdin> moparisthebest: try with aptitude then, reinstall the package then use "sudo aptitude remove mythbuntu-desktop"
[05:35] <Dr_willis> stdin,  i was going to say that.. but it seems extreme
[05:35] <oobe> i dont have mythbuntu-desktop installed but i use all the other mythbuntu packages
[05:35] <stdin> moparisthebest: or you could do "sudo apt-get remove displayconfig-gtk gdm gnome-screensaver gsfonts-x11 gtk2-engines-mythbuntu mythbuntu-artwork-usplash mythbuntu-control-centre mythbuntu-default-settings mythbuntu-gdm-theme mythtv-common restricted-manager thunar update-manager xfce4-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins xfce4-mixer xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfce4-utils xfdesktop4 xfwm4" :p
[05:36] <stdin> up to you
[05:36] <moparisthebest> it just removed the meta package again
[05:36] <moparisthebest> ah, I was looking for a list like that stdin, where did you find it? :)
[05:36] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[05:36] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[05:37] <stdin> moparisthebest: "apt-cache show mythbuntu-desktop |grep Depends" (with some things removed, lice acpi)
[05:37] <stdin> s/lice/like/
[05:38] <moparisthebest> ill have to remember that for next time, thanks
[05:39] <stdin> when you install a meta-package, it's best to use aptitude. it remembers dependencies better and will remove orphaned packages if it can
[05:39] <oobe> moparisthebest, are you in mythbuntu-desktop now?
[05:39] <moparisthebest> no oobe, I still used KDE
[05:39] <moparisthebest> stdin, are the commands for aptitude the same as for apt-get, I have always used the latter
[05:40] <oobe> why dont u just fix ur tuner?
[05:40] <stdin> mostly yes, "install" "remove" are the same
[05:40] <moparisthebest> oobe, I built a PC for a dedicated media center box, so im going to get it working there
[05:42] <oobe> fair enough
[05:43] <oobe> i think you can use mythbuntu-control-centre to remove everything
[05:44] <oobe> then remove mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:44] <moparisthebest> I just ended up removing all the packages it depended on, like stdin said
[05:45] <moparisthebest> has anyone in here ever profiled your readahead?
[05:45] <moparisthebest> and if so did your internet quit working right afterwards?
[05:46] <SudoKing> is there a way to run a .bat file/
[05:47] <spiniker> any one knows how to run awn?
[05:47] <stdin> SudoKing: in wine probably
[05:47] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, not directly that I know of, but they are easily converted, how long is it?
[05:47] <oobe> i tried using wine it doesnt work
[05:47] <spiniker> wine?
[05:47] <maduser> !wine
[05:47] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[05:48] <SudoKing> well its a java bot
[05:48] <spiniker> oh im sorry different problem..
[05:48] <moparisthebest> batch is just a script though, not really a windows program
[05:48] <SudoKing> it says you can run the script on windows (the .bak file)
[05:48] <SudoKing> but you can use the java on ubuntu/linux
[05:48] <surgy> anyone wanna chit chat about pc cooling? join #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:48] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, that is very easy then, replace the ';' with ':' and there you go
[05:49] <SudoKing> but it keeps giving me errors
[05:49] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, paste it at rafb.net/paste and I'll convert it for you if you want
[05:49] <SudoKing> paste which file?
[05:49] <sub[t]rnl> spiniker: as far as a know awn is for gnome.
[05:49] <moparisthebest> the .bat file, open it in a text editor
[05:49] <sub[t]rnl> not sure if its kde ready or not
[05:50] <spiniker> yeah i know..sorry wrong channel
[05:50] <sub[t]rnl> we make up for it with kfxb though
[05:51] <sub[t]rnl> kbfx rather
[05:53] <SudoKing> moparisthebest: http://rafb.net/p/Bj88Uj59.html
[05:54] <moparisthebest> ok SudoKing, open a terminal and run this command:
[05:54] <moparisthebest> java -classpath .:./lib/pircbot.jar org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[05:54] <moparisthebest> instead of -classpath you can use -cp, on linux or windows
[05:56] <moparisthebest> and then you could also put that in a shell script so you don't have to remember it every time
[05:58] <SudoKing> moparisthebest: "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/jibble/ReminderBot/ReminderBotMain"?? --> what do I do?
[05:59] <moparisthebest> what folder are you in?
[05:59] <SudoKing> i'm not in any directory, atm
[05:59] <moparisthebest> you should be in the folder with ./lib/pircbot.jar
[05:59] <SudoKing> oh
[05:59] <moparisthebest> otherwise it's not accessible
[06:00] <moparisthebest> well, the same folder you found the .bat in
[06:00] <SudoKing> ah well that's not the same folder =(
[06:01] <moparisthebest> just go into that folder
[06:01] <moparisthebest> open it in konqueror and press F4
[06:01] <SudoKing> pft I don't have Konqueror (any more)
[06:04] <moparisthebest> oh, well whatever the new one is
[06:04] <moparisthebest> dolphin I think
[06:04] <moparisthebest> personally I hate dolphin so I removed it and still use konqueror ;)
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> moparisthebest: the dolphin in kde3 is NOT dolphin
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's d3lphin, a fork that stopped development
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> the *real* dolphin, in kde4, is actually quite nice
[06:07] <SudoKing> hmmm
[06:07] <SudoKing> I'm still getting TheNoClassDefFound error...
[06:07] <SudoKing> =(
[06:08] <moparisthebest> Daisuke_Laptop, so the one that comes with gutsy isn't the real one? thats heartening at least
[06:08] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, sure you are in the right folder?
[06:09] <SudoKing> i'm in the directory of the .bat file
[06:09] <SudoKing> what did you say about ; and : earlier?? =?
[06:10] <moparisthebest> ; is what windows uses and : is what linux uses (dos and bash that is)
[06:10] <moparisthebest> SudoKing, in that folder, is there an 'org' folder?
[06:10] <SudoKing> yea
[06:11] <moparisthebest> look and see if there is a file ./org/jibble/ReminderBot/ReminderBotMain.class
[06:13] <cgw> ca0106 用ALSA驱动不好使，怎么办？
[06:14] <bazhang> !cn | cgw
[06:14] <ubotu> cgw: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[06:14] <SudoKing> moparisthebest: check
[06:14] <moparisthebest> in that case it should work
[06:14] <SudoKing> hm
[06:14] <moparisthebest> java -classpath .:./lib/pircbot.jar org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[06:15] <moparisthebest> change -classpath to -cp
[06:15] <moparisthebest> oh, is that the wrong classname SudoKing ?
[06:15] <cgw> shite
[06:16] <SudoKing> classname?
[06:16] <moparisthebest> what are you trying to run?
[06:17] <moparisthebest> the command I just pasted runs org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[06:17] <Xcell> KUBUNTU_ROCKS.....ahem.
[06:17] <moparisthebest> but the error you pasted was for a different class
[06:18] <maduser> isn't that why we are using it?
[06:18] <Xcell> ya
[06:18] <maduser> ah
[06:18] <Xcell> chew
[06:19] <Xcell> guzenteight
[06:19] <SudoKing> moparis: must be a copy elsewhere from a different directory.  How do I write the command for the Reminderbot (not the plain .bot)?
[06:20] <moparisthebest> the class you want to run, but instead of / use . and remove .class from the end
[06:20] <moparisthebest> so say you want to run ./org/jibble/bot/BotMain.class
[06:20] <moparisthebest> you would use java org.jibble.bot.BotMain
[06:22] <SudoKing> it gave me a list of commands
[06:22] <moparisthebest> do a 'java -version' and tell me what it says
[06:23] <SudoKing> java version "1.4.2-02"
[06:23] <SudoKing> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02)
[06:23] <SudoKing> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02, mixed mode)
[06:23] <moparisthebest> I would bet the problems you are having result from using that old version of java
[06:24] <SudoKing> pft
[06:24] <moparisthebest> remove it, and install sun-java6-jre
[06:24] <stdin> you don't need to remove it, just install suns java
[06:24] <Xcell> Ya jre 6 rules
[06:24] <Xcell> I had the same problem.
[06:24] <moparisthebest> you want it to say:
[06:24] <moparisthebest> java version "1.6.0_03"
[06:24] <moparisthebest> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
[06:24] <moparisthebest> Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
[06:24] <stdin> and "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[06:25] <moparisthebest> I use java all the time and Ive never had any luck with the non-sun versions
[06:25] <SudoKing> it says sun-java6-jre is already the newest version?
[06:25] <stdin> then do "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[06:26] <stdin> and choose the java6 version
[06:26] <Xcell> stdin..that was what I missed when I deleted and installed various javas.
[06:26] <Xcell> Thanks.
[06:27] <Xcell> stdin: whats your opinion on icedtea?
[06:27] <SudoKing> ok
[06:27] <SudoKing> what next?
[06:27] <stdin> don't have an opinion on it :)
[06:27] <Xcell> k
[06:27] <SudoKing> try to run the command?
[06:27] <moparisthebest> yes SudoKing
[06:28] <stdin> Xcell: never tried it, so that why I don't have an opinion
[06:28] <moparisthebest> Xcell, I've tried it on my amd64 install and it didn't work
[06:28] <Xcell> k I wondered.
[06:28] <moparisthebest> I wanted it so I can use applets in a 64-bit browser, but no dice
[06:28] <Xcell> I had good standing with it..till I installed jre 6..big dif.
[06:29] <sigma> my laptop hard drive kept on working last night when i was watching a dvd which wasn't using it at all, its a dell d600 with a toshiba hard drive, could this have anything to do with that bug everyone is talking about?
[06:29] <Xcell> moparisthebest:  Think it was due to other reasons?
[06:31] <moparisthebest> nothing else provides a 64-bit java plugin besides icedtea Xcell, so it was the only try
[06:31] <moparisthebest> ive got a 32bit firefox with a 32 bit JRE installed as well for applets
[06:31] <moparisthebest> sigma, you could try adjusting your 'swappiness'
[06:31] <Xcell> ah I missed the 64 bit..im sorry..my bad.
[06:32] <sigma> moparisthebest: i checked the ram usage - its not using the swap (laptop has 512mb onboard)
[06:32] <moparisthebest> http://tvease.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tweak_ubuntu_for_speed about half way down 'Swapping' sigma
[06:33] <stdin> sigma: why do you want it to use swap??
[06:33] <sigma> im scared that ubuntu is killing my hard drive
[06:33] <moparisthebest> it still sped my laptop up quite a bit sigma
[06:33]  * SudoKing remembers using the Tvease tweaks page...
[06:33] <stdin> sigma: the swap IS on the hard drive
[06:33] <Xcell> lol sigma:..it onle seems so when you beat it to deathy..lol.
[06:33] <Xcell> death
[06:33] <moparisthebest> if you have 1gig of RAM, set the swappiness to 0 and you should be good
[06:34] <user_> hello room
[06:34] <sigma> stdin: i dont want it to use swap, im just worried that my laptop hdd is dying a fast and painful death
[06:34] <Dr_willis> There is that bug people were talking about that put hard drives into a 'trying to sleep too much' sort of power saving. IF you have the laptop packages installed.
[06:34] <Cannoli> hello
[06:34] <Cannoli> i was here earlier about a problem with my ati driver installation
[06:34] <sigma> because it keeps on accessing the drive when im doing absolutely nothing
[06:34] <user_> speaking of power saving....
[06:34] <stdin> sigma: you said "its not using the swap", so what's the problem?
[06:35] <stdin> sigma: it will only use swap when there is 0 memory left
[06:35] <Xcell> Dr_willis:  thats why thet converted cpu managers.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> sigma,   fire up htop and see whats running. there are cron jobs that run at diffent times.
[06:35] <Cannoli> hiya stdin
[06:36] <user_> anyone notice that when you do a fresh install of kubuntu, you get decent laptop battery life then after you update packages, your battery life gets worse
[06:36] <stdin> hi Cannoli
[06:36] <SudoKing> why does it still keep saying  "exception in thread main"
[06:36] <sigma> stdin: i don't know, every 5 sec's or so the hdd light blinks when i am doing absolutely nothing, my desktop with +- the same configuration doesn't do that at all
[06:36] <Dr_willis> There is that 'powertop' (i think) thing out you can run and it will suggest some tweaks to up your battery life.
[06:36] <user_> wonder if it's the kernel update
[06:36] <Cannoli> stdin: can u help me with my ati driver problem please
[06:36] <sigma> dr_willis: il give that a try, but can one disable these "cron jobs"?
[06:37] <stdin> Cannoli: I don't and have never used ati, so I'm not the best person to ask
[06:37] <user_> what's your ati prob
[06:37] <user_> I'll try
[06:37] <Dr_willis> sigma,  of course.. but i doubt if its going to gain you much of anything. Theres also the various laptop-mode packages that may help. or may not.
[06:37] <Cannoli> alright thanks anywayz
[06:37] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, whats the problem with it?
[06:38] <Xcell> ati is not the obvious choice for ubuntu..I have watched and learned this.
[06:38] <moparisthebest> ive had various problems with ATI drivers as well
[06:38] <Cannoli> 1.) is this really moparisthebest from the rscheating site?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> Ive been lucky with my old ati cards. :) i dont dare try new ones.
[06:38] <user_> I have a x1400 with no probs except can't run the beyrl stuff...
[06:38] <moparisthebest> yes it is Cannoli
[06:38] <Xcell> Old ati 16 meg or earlier work fine  from watching.
[06:39] <sigma> dr_willis: have you ever been able to get the tv out working on a ati mobility 9000?
[06:39] <Xcell> Seems ati is arrogant.
[06:39] <Cannoli> 2.) i installed the driver when when i rebooted i got a black screen adn it wouldn't start the x server.so i did wht the instructions told me and still nothing. my fglrxinfo is comletley wrong
[06:39] <user_> what's the ati snafu then?
[06:39] <Cannoli> haha awesome, i have an account on your site :P
[06:39] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, how did you install the driver?
[06:40] <Cannoli> !ati
[06:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:40] <Cannoli> ^^ that way
[06:40] <user_> hmm
[06:40] <sigma> i just dont want my hard drive to die! if it means going back to windows for the time being i will because laptop hard drives are just too expensive!
[06:41] <Xcell> laptop hd's are victim to software abuse by nature of crappy software...
[06:41] <moparisthebest> sigma, i had kubuntu installed on my laptop for 2 years and the mobo died before the hd did
[06:41] <user_> the way I've pretty much always done it was with the restricted drivers prog.  got online first then checked the box for the driver, waited to dl it then it auto installed then rebooted and it worked
[06:41] <user_> didn't do it manually
[06:41] <Xcell> or..by not folowing directions.
[06:41] <moparisthebest> the hd is now in use with an adapter in my media center box, still with kubuntu
[06:41] <Xcell> following
[06:42] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, Ive had great luck with a program called envy
[06:42] <moparisthebest> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[06:42] <moparisthebest> install the .deb, give it a shot
[06:42] <Cannoli> haha alot of people have suggested i not use it
[06:43] <moparisthebest> why? I love it
[06:43] <Cannoli> someone earlier said: " it breaks a lot, and it's not supported"
[06:43] <sigma> moparisthebest: thats comforting to hear: what laptop was it?
[06:43] <user_> Cannoli, which driver you installed?  I've always used the fglrx one with no probs so far
[06:43] <moparisthebest> its the only way I ever got my ATI driver to work on my laptop
[06:43] <Xcell> scuza..my hukt on fonix fer kee bords isnt wurking.
[06:44] <moparisthebest> sigma, an emachine m6815 I think, with a hitachi 80gb HD
[06:44] <Cannoli> i dont know which driver it is, but i know that the ati driver has trouble with my card
[06:44] <Cannoli> x1650pro
[06:45] <user_> cannoli, if you give me a minute, I'll try to find an answer, okay?
[06:45] <moparisthebest> i'd give envy a shot at least, its got a command line mode in case you need to undo it on the command line later
[06:45] <Cannoli> sure
[06:45] <Cannoli> really appreciate it
[06:45] <user_> brb
[06:45] <Xcell> user: is cool.
[06:45] <sigma> if ati just gave the blueprints to the xorg people it would make life alot easier!
[06:46] <Cannoli> haha why don't they do that?
[06:46] <sigma> thats a good question
[06:46] <user_> think I found it
[06:46] <moparisthebest> ATI is going opensource isn't it?
[06:47] <user_> fire up synaptic if you have it installed
[06:47] <Dr_willis> then the nvidia people would steal the leet-haxor-secrets!
[06:47] <Xcell> sigma: you and I are on the same wave length..corps on the other hand are not.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:47] <sigma> xcell: yeah u got a point
[06:47] <Cannoli> its always about money -_-
[06:48] <Xcell> We are honest haxors , proprietors are ugly.
[06:48] <Cannoli> what is synaptic
[06:48] <Cannoli> !synaptic
[06:48] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[06:48] <sigma> moparisthebest: yeah slowly but they have left half of their chips out of the dev process, and most people who use linux use those chips
[06:48] <moparisthebest> I dont think nvidia needs to steal anything from ATI, maybe the other way around :P
[06:48] <user_> look for "xorg-driver-fglrx" and "xserver-xorg-video-ati" and that should be the ones you are looking for.
[06:48] <moparisthebest> oh, didn't know that sigma
[06:49] <Cannoli> user_: can i look for those in either add/remove programs or adept manager?
[06:49] <sigma> like my ati mobility 9000:(
[06:49] <user_> lemme see
[06:49] <Xcell> didnt nvidia buy out ati>>and them ati was bought out by some one else?..talk about control.
[06:50] <moparisthebest> sigma, my laptop had an ATI mobility 9600, and it worked fine before the upgrade to gutsy
[06:50] <sigma> moparisthebest: i have been impressed with nvidia though, their drivers work flawlessly and are so easy to install (repo version)
[06:50] <user_> yes
[06:50] <sigma> moparisthebest: wat happened when u upgraded?
[06:50] <Cannoli> kk
[06:50] <moparisthebest> yes, nvidia drivers are far superior
[06:50] <user_> fire up adept installer
[06:50] <moparisthebest> sigma, I never figured it out before my mobo died
[06:50] <Don_jr333> goodness, how do I register my nick?
[06:50] <moparisthebest> but I had to use the VESA driver
[06:50] <flaccid_> man my new nas is um loud
[06:50] <hydrogen> !register
[06:50] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[06:50] <Dr_willis>  - /msg nickserv help
[06:50] <sigma> but i think they've been in the linux game for longer
[06:50] <user_> search for synaptic package manager
[06:51] <hydrogen> and then install half of gnome
[06:51] <sigma> moparisthebest: think that gutsy caused it to die?
[06:51] <hydrogen> to get an equally bad package manager
[06:51] <Don_jr333> thank you
[06:51] <user_> check the box next to it and hit the install/update button
[06:51] <moparisthebest> hmm
[06:51] <moparisthebest> I hope not :/
[06:52] <hydrogen> Cannoli: use adept manager
[06:52] <hydrogen> its more useful than add/remove programs
[06:52] <user_> cannoli, let me know if it worked
[06:52] <Cannoli> k
[06:52] <Cannoli> just a sec
[06:52] <user_> k
[06:52] <sigma> moparisthebest: i still dont get what the point of gutsy was in kubuntu, hopefully hardy will be more promising
[06:52] <hydrogen> user_: suggesting one install synaptic just to install packages (from adept) is quite frankly stupid
[06:53] <user_> so?!
[06:53] <user_> that's just your opinion
[06:53] <user_> I like the other apt frontend better
[06:53] <hydrogen> no, its your opinion that synaptic is better than adept
[06:53] <sigma> im looking forward to the new opensource ati driver release in hardy, seems to get closer to 3d acceleration every time
[06:53] <Cannoli> hmm
[06:53] <Cannoli> so its already installed
[06:53] <Cannoli> :P
[06:53] <user_> I agree
[06:53] <hydrogen> its simple knowledge that installing half of gnome to do the same thing that can be done without half of gnome is kind of superflous
[06:54] <user_> it may or may not be better but that's what I prefer to use
[06:54] <Xcell> Hardy is going to set precedence.
[06:54] <hydrogen> user_: except we are not talking about what you prefer to use
[06:54] <user_> linux is all about choice
[06:54] <moparisthebest> might as well have a KDE vs GNOME argument, it all boils down to personal preference
[06:54] <hydrogen> Cannoli: to answer your question without taking you on a huge round trip, you can search for the drivers in adept_manager
[06:54] <hydrogen> and install them there
[06:54] <Xcell> conical has gathered enough infi..they will put ./bill gates out.
[06:54] <user_> I'm not going to argue, I'm just trying to help out
[06:55] <hydrogen> you could also reformat your harddrive, install red hat, and do it through their package manager
[06:55] <Hirvinen_> hydrogen: Disk space is cheap. I prefer Synaptic's UI to that of Adept, so I use that.
[06:55] <user_> how about yast:P
[06:56] <sigma> xcell: it better! gutsy was rather hopeless, all it did was update all my software and add irritating apps like dolphin and strigi, but it did stop my laptop hdd from clicking at shutdown and im grateful for that
[06:56] <Xcell> user: dont bother..they love only to argue.
[06:56] <hydrogen> Hirvinen_: thats fine, but that doesn't mean you suggest installing synaptic when one asks how to do something in adept
[06:56] <moparisthebest> you hate dolphin too sigma ?
[06:56] <Saied> i have this error. please guide me: http://i16.tinypic.com/71ftkk6.png
[06:56] <sigma> oh has anyone here tried miro version 1.0.2, i hear it runs real slow
[06:56]  * Cannoli is not fond of dolphin
[06:56] <user_> me either
[06:57] <Cannoli> its quite useless in my opinion
[06:57]  * hydrogen is growing to like dolphin
[06:57] <moparisthebest> i removed it
[06:57] <hydrogen> its a nice visual alternative to konsole
[06:57] <user_> miro always crashed for me
[06:57] <hydrogen> though konsole is still my file manager of choice
[06:57] <moparisthebest> i like konqueror
[06:57] <moparisthebest> is that what you mean hydrogen ?
[06:57] <hydrogen> no
[06:57] <hydrogen> I mean konsole
[06:57] <sigma> moparisthebest: with a passion, but the kde4 one looks a bit promising, i still like konqueror, its alot more mature
[06:57] <Xcell> sigma: linux (ubuntu) is debian that is a (learned) system..it is not like the blind sided o/s that gates created to keep the masses silly.
[06:58] <moparisthebest> konsole as a file manager hydrogen ? isn't it just a terminal emulator?
[06:58] <hydrogen> yes
[06:58] <Cannoli> how do i get to the config for my xorg
[06:58] <Cannoli> ?
[06:58] <sigma> for eg in dolphin if you cut a file off your desktop, and paste it into a folder in dolphin the file never disappears off your desktop until you manually remove it
[06:58] <moparisthebest> /etc/X11/xorg.conf Cannoli
[06:59] <sigma> connoli: open it as root
[06:59] <Cannoli> but that just lets me edit it
[06:59] <sigma> xcell: yeah i know that, thats why i use it!
[06:59] <moparisthebest> isnt that what you want Cannoli ?
[06:59] <Cannoli> there was a way i could like configure/set it up
[06:59] <Cannoli> im no good with linux commands, its too early for me to know them :P
[06:59] <sigma> nice to see microsoft getting scared though
[06:59] <user_> don't you have the restricted drivers prog? cannoli
[07:00] <N1ghtm4r3> Helloooo everybody
[07:00] <moparisthebest> maybe ATI has some sort of control panel? nvidia does
[07:00] <Cannoli> the new prog user_ that asks to use the driver?
[07:00] <N1ghtm4r3> ATI does
[07:00] <Xcell> Thank god for these resources called (chat-forums) that freely teach through (volunteers).
[07:00] <Cannoli> i have it, and i used it and thats how im in this dilemma
[07:00] <sigma> unfortunately threatening mark shuttleworth won't get u far in this world!
[07:00] <Cannoli> :(
[07:00] <Cannoli> amen to that Xcell
[07:00] <user_> looking for it in my menus but don't see it anymore,,,,
[07:00] <moparisthebest> i still say give envy a shot Cannoli
[07:01] <Cannoli> oh wait
[07:01] <Cannoli> before i try anything
[07:01] <Cannoli> i have a major question
[07:01] <sigma> so no one here tried miro?
[07:01] <Xcell> So: why not  send Ubuntu a donation..beats paying bill his dues..right? and the rest is free...do it today.
[07:02] <sigma> lol so true
[07:02] <Cannoli> when i boot up my pc, i see like 5 different choices all having to do with kubuntu. i cant access the first one but i can access the debug one (number 2) and currently i am on number 3. is that bad?
[07:02] <sigma> im off, later guys
[07:02] <hydrogen> Xcell: well, one major reason is that ubunto just does a good job of taking everyone elses work and putting it together to make it nice and easy to use
[07:03] <moparisthebest> define 'cant access the first one
[07:03] <moparisthebest> Cannoli,
[07:03] <hydrogen> why not send all the developers of all the programs that ubuntu has used monies as welL!
[07:03] <Xcell> k sigma take care.
[07:03] <user_> cannoli, this link looks like what you are talking about
[07:03] <Cannoli> well when it loads up, it takes me to a black screen
[07:03] <user_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:04] <Cannoli> those are the instructions i followed user_ after that new program that came with the update messed up everything
[07:04] <moparisthebest> ENVY! :)
[07:04] <Cannoli> lmao, ok i shalll try it then
[07:04] <Cannoli> !envy
[07:04] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[07:04] <Cannoli> :|
[07:04] <user_> hmm
[07:04] <moparisthebest> except for when restricted manager breaks stuff
[07:04] <moparisthebest> then use envy
[07:05] <Cannoli> should i just reinstall linux :S
[07:05] <t1n0m3n> what is the best way to install flash?  I have installed flashplugin-nonfree.  What do I do next?  I am running kubuntu64
[07:05] <Cannoli> i realize its a very windows thing to do, but it just seems easier than going through this hassle
[07:05] <moparisthebest> at least give envy a shot first Cannoli, it works :)
[07:05] <Cannoli> well where can i get it
[07:05] <Cannoli> its not even in adept
[07:05] <moparisthebest> t1n0m3n, flash and java do not work in a 64-bit browser
[07:06] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[07:06] <moparisthebest> t1n0m3n, for java, you are stuck with installing a 32-bit browser and 32-bit java
[07:07] <user_> so this didn't work for you cannoli?  it only caused the problem?  Open the restricted drivers manager from KMenu → System Settings → Advanced → Restricted Drivers and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". This will hopefully enable fglrx in a painless way.
[07:07] <moparisthebest> but I finally got the latest version of nspluginwrapper to let flash work in a 64-bit browser
[07:07] <Xcell> ya 32 bit browser...
[07:07] <Xcell> google it
[07:07] <t1n0m3n> I got firefox so I think I have the 32 bit browser already.  I have java installed
[07:07] <Xcell> think?
[07:08] <moparisthebest> if you installed it through apt-get you have the 64-bit version
[07:08] <Xcell> c
[07:08] <t1n0m3n> ahh
[07:08] <t1n0m3n> k
[07:08] <moparisthebest> and java comes in 64-bit, but no browser plugin
[07:08] <stdin> !flash64 | t1n0m3n
[07:08] <ubotu> t1n0m3n: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[07:08] <Cannoli> no user_ because im still getting the wrong fglrxinfo
[07:08] <Xcell> thanks moparisthebest.
[07:09] <Xcell> lol what a long name without tab.
[07:09] <user_> that's wierd
[07:09] <moparisthebest> dont type it without tab then Xcell ;)
[07:10] <Xcell> j/k dont take it personal.
[07:10] <user_> cannoli, is this on a desktop, laptop, mac?
[07:10] <moparisthebest> I don't, im playing with you :P
[07:11] <user_> typical linux stuff, new hardware doesn't work for a few months until someone writes drivers for it
[07:11] <moparisthebest> maybe someone has written the latest drivers, which are the ones envy will get for you ;)
[07:11] <Cannoli> desktop
[07:12] <Cannoli> just a sec moparisthebest, looking it up as we speak
[07:12] <mosiac> anyone here feel like helping someone with some stupid questions real quick?
[07:12] <moparisthebest> go for it mosiac
[07:12] <bazhang> ask away mosiac
[07:12] <user_> I would probably try a fresh install one last time and update the ati drivers with the restricted drivers prog and if it didn't work then either try another distro or just live with 2d until there are working drivers available
[07:12] <mosiac> I have to hard drives i recently formated into ext3 and i just need to know what to put in to get them to auto mount on boot
[07:12] <Cannoli> will the stuff for ubuntu work for kubuntu?
[07:12] <moparisthebest> yes Cannoli
[07:13] <Xcell> Well: windows is proprietary for a reason..they get paid to keep it ..on the other hand..linux is only user supported...little cheaper in the long run.
[07:13] <Cannoli> awesome
[07:13] <moparisthebest> but before I tried a fresh install, at least give envy a shot
[07:13] <Cannoli> user_: im going to try envy first
[07:13] <user_> cannoli, yeah they should
[07:13] <user_> gnome stuff
[07:13] <moparisthebest> mosiac, put them in /etc/fstab
[07:13] <Cannoli> and i remember when i first installed linux that there is a way to just reinstall the os without losing files
[07:13] <Cannoli> is that possible?
[07:14] <user_> sorry I could't solve your problem cannoli, I tried
[07:14] <Xcell> yes  backup.
[07:14] <bazhang> seperate home dir Cannoli
[07:14] <Xcell> !backup
[07:14] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:14] <mosiac> can i just copy the same stuff for my main hard drive and just change locations?
[07:15] <moparisthebest> yes mosiac
[07:15] <Xcell> book mark them
[07:15] <Cannoli> its ok user_, i really appreciate your help
[07:15] <user_> heh, I've installed and reinstalled os's so much it isn't such a big deal anymore
[07:15] <Cannoli> so how do i figure out wht kinda kubuntu i have?
[07:15] <Xcell> lool user..i have to..got tired of it..
[07:16] <Cannoli> like whats allthis fiesty, gutsy thing?
[07:16] <t3ch13> Anybody know where I can find info on installing Compiz-Fusion in Gutsy?
[07:16] <moparisthebest> 7.10 is gutsy, 7.04 is fiesty
[07:16] <user_> just save my bookmarks and anything I wanna keep in the home folder on a external hd or usb thumbdrive then wipe the drive and start over
[07:16] <Xcell> It pays to read and take physical notes.
[07:16] <moparisthebest> 6.10 is edgy i think
[07:16] <hydrogen> Cannoli: lsb-release -c
[07:16] <hydrogen> will tell you
[07:16] <bazhang> !compiz | t3ch13
[07:16] <ubotu> t3ch13: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:16] <hydrogen> err
[07:16] <mosiac> also im getting a strange little error : "var/tmp/kdecache-mosiac" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0 what did i do wrong there?
[07:16] <hydrogen> lsb_release -c
[07:17] <Cannoli> ah ok
[07:17] <Cannoli> so i have gutsy
[07:17] <user_> 7.10
[07:17] <moparisthebest> that is normal mosiac, you are probably running something as root?
[07:17] <mosiac> ok cool
[07:18] <mosiac> well thanks I think thats everything
[07:18] <moparisthebest> for now anyway mosiac, ive been using it for 2+ years and still have questions :)
[07:20] <Cannoli> i love ubotu
[07:20] <Cannoli> :P
[07:20] <mosiac> hehe yeah i:m gonna reboot real quick and see if those drives mount right
[07:20] <moparisthebest> mosiac,
[07:21] <moparisthebest> mount -a
[07:21] <moparisthebest> or sudo mount -a
[07:21] <mosiac> i left something out "No final newline at end of /etc/fstab"
[07:22] <moparisthebest> yea, it just gives you a warning
[07:22] <moparisthebest> just add one in
[07:22] <mosiac> what do i put?
[07:22] <Cannoli> so i dont understand, whats the major differnce (program code wise) between windows programs and linux programs?
[07:22] <moparisthebest> a new line at the bottom (blank line) mosiac
[07:23] <moparisthebest> for one they use a different executable format Cannoli
[07:23] <mosiac> ok cool
[07:23] <hydrogen> and have a different window system
[07:23] <Cannoli> but when it comes down to it, its just the same if statemends and loops
[07:23] <hydrogen> yes
[07:23] <hydrogen> but it uses different functions
[07:23] <user_> anyone here try the eeepc yet?
[07:23] <hydrogen> and apis
[07:23] <hydrogen> to achieve the same result
[07:23] <mosiac> says my mount points dont exist but they do
[07:23] <stdin> Cannoli: mostly, but the machine code (compiled code) is different
[07:24] <Cannoli> so if i wanted to write a linux program, i could write it for windows, then make a few adjusments and have it linux-i-fied?
[07:24] <moparisthebest> you made the directories mosiac ?
[07:24] <mosiac> yep
[07:24] <mosiac> i can see them when i ls
[07:24] <N1ghtm4r3> poop
[07:24] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, you are confusing program source code and executable formats I think
[07:24] <Cannoli> oh no
[07:24] <moparisthebest> you can compile a C or C++ program for windows or linux
[07:25] <Cannoli> envy came up with an error
[07:25] <moparisthebest> the source code would be the same, but the executable formats would be different
[07:25] <stdin> Cannoli: depends, with simple text-mode ones you probably don't have to change anything. and if you'd use Qt for GUI apps, then it can run on windows, linux and mac
[07:26] <Cannoli>  Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could  not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use.
[07:26] <Cannoli> envy error :(
[07:26] <moparisthebest> oh, Cannoli just install the headers for your kernel
[07:26] <mosiac> i got it no problems had to extra spaces in there i didnt notice or something
[07:26] <Cannoli> meaning?
[07:26] <moparisthebest> via apt-get
[07:26] <stdin> Cannoli: "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-generic"
[07:26] <moparisthebest> its a package
[07:27] <N1ghtm4r3> sooo
[07:28] <Cannoli> it said i already have the newest version :S
[07:29] <moparisthebest> of both?
[07:29] <Cannoli> there are 2?
[07:29] <moparisthebest> 2 packages that stdin said to install
[07:29] <mosiac> awesome hard drives mounted works great
[07:32] <Cannoli> yep
[07:32] <Cannoli> both
[07:33] <moparisthebest> you didn't compile your own kernel or something did you?
[07:33] <moparisthebest> wait, didnt you say you were using an older kernel Cannoli ?
[07:33] <moparisthebest> (not the top in the list on grub)
[07:33] <Cannoli> whats a grub? XD
[07:34] <moparisthebest> your boot screen
[07:34] <Cannoli> oh yea
[07:34] <moparisthebest> use the top kernel
[07:34] <Cannoli> im using an older version, atleast thats what i think it is
[07:34] <Cannoli> i cant
[07:34] <moparisthebest> why?
[07:34] <Cannoli> i get a black screen, xever doesnt start up
[07:34] <stdin> Cannoli: try "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" then
[07:34] <Cannoli> and i cant even access terminals
[07:35] <moparisthebest> you can access a terminal by pressing alt-f2 through alt-f6
[07:35] <Cannoli> yep
[07:35] <Cannoli> no can do
[07:35] <moparisthebest> but just do what stdin said
[07:35] <moparisthebest> why can't you do that? it has to do something
[07:35] <Cannoli> Package linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic is not available
[07:36] <Cannoli> the error i get
[07:36] <abyssion> french ? or kubuntu-fr please
[07:36] <stdin> abyssion: join #kubuntu-fr then
[07:36] <moparisthebest> what happens when you try to boot the top kernel Cannoli ?
[07:36] <abyssion> iam bannned from kubuntu-fr
[07:36] <Xcell> lol
[07:36] <stdin> abyssion: then your only option is #ubuntu-fr
[07:36] <abyssion> :(
[07:36] <Xcell> 2 much.
[07:36] <abyssion> iam banned too
[07:36] <moparisthebest> how did you get banned abyssion ?
[07:37] <abyssion> i don't know
[07:37] <moparisthebest> you have logs don't you?
[07:37] <stdin> abyssion: ask the ops why you are banned
[07:37] <Xcell> prolly getting angry that no one answers.
[07:37] <abyssion> Okay
[07:37] <moparisthebest> is there a #xubuntu-fr
[07:37] <Cannoli> well the logo comes up and kubuntu loads, then i get a black screen. i try to change terminals but that doesnt even work
[07:37] <abyssion> THANK'S!
[07:37] <abyssion> iam not banned from xubuntu-fr
[07:37] <abyssion> ^^
[07:38] <moparisthebest> ok Cannoli , highlight the top one, hit e (for edit), go down one line, hit e again, go to the end of the line and remove 'splash'
[07:38]  * hydrogen doesn't think that will remain the case for long
[07:38] <stdin> abyssion: use "/msg chanserv access #kubuntu-fr list" to find out who the ops of #kubuntu-fr are and ask them
[07:38] <bazhang> haha
[07:38]  * moparisthebest agrees with hydrogen
[07:38] <abyssion> Okay stdin
[07:38] <Xcell> When some one new installs. they often get angry due to that answers are not always credibly there.
[07:39] <bazhang> or instantly there more like
[07:39] <Cannoli> ok well then i have to restart
[07:39] <abyssion> 19 access in ubuntu-fr
[07:39] <Cannoli> what should i do when i get to the terminal?
[07:39] <abyssion> you speak french ?
[07:39] <abyssion> 1 user speak french ?
[07:39] <moparisthebest> Cannoli, sudo envy -t
[07:39] <Cannoli> k
[07:39] <Cannoli> brb
[07:40] <moparisthebest> you seem to speak english well enough abyssion
[07:40] <Xcell> This is an english channel..Understand?
[07:40] <abyssion> é_à
[07:40] <abyssion> Okay
[07:41] <Xcell> Stop being willfully ignorant..thank you.
[07:41] <abyssion> Okay sorry...
[07:41] <abyssion> Good bye
[07:41] <abyssion> Good day
[07:44] <N1ghtm4r3> !compiz
[07:44] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:44] <N1ghtm4r3> i do speak french wtf happened i was afk
[07:45] <Xcell> svroll
[07:45] <Xcell> scroll
[07:45] <Xcell> I speak beer..wanna conversate?
[07:46] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: please don't use acronyms like "wtf" in here
[07:46] <Xcell> Speaking linguistically I am not a racist..
[07:47] <Cannoli> YAY
[07:47] <Cannoli> it worked!
[07:47] <Xcell> yay
[07:47] <Cannoli> ...
[07:47] <Cannoli> i love u mopar
[07:47] <Cannoli> XD
[07:48] <moparisthebest> I told you envy ruled
[07:48] <Xcell> send donations..lol.
[07:48] <Cannoli> Xcell: i shall as soon as i get some money
[07:49] <Xcell> I beleive you..its the right thing to do for an o/s that (actually) rules.
[07:49] <Cannoli> definatly
[07:49] <Cannoli> i have no problem giving money to things that deserve it
[07:50] <Cannoli> thats why i usually steal from windows, i think they owe me :P
[07:50] <Xcell> Exactly..Dont forget.
[07:50] <Cannoli> next paycheck :)
[07:50] <Xcell> I trust.
[07:51] <Xcell> Linux Rocks it's a$$ off...admit it.
[07:51] <ardchoille> Linux is cool.. been using it since 2001
[07:52] <flaccid_> freebsd is cooler :p
[07:52] <Xcell> ardchoille: .All I have seen from you is , help, you are an attribute to the o/s...god bless U.
[07:52] <moparisthebest> freebsd is alright
[07:53] <N1ghtm4r3> can someone tell me how to install flash on Konqueror?
[07:53] <Xcell> Free bsd is for engineers.
[07:53] <N1ghtm4r3> i downloaded it and im gona extract it in home folder , what next
[07:54] <flaccid_> Xcell: not since i last checked
[07:54] <ardchoille> Xcell: ty :)
[07:54] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: just install "flashplugin-nonfree"
[07:54] <moparisthebest> I think konqueror supports mozilla-like plugins, so put the plugin in the konqueror plugins folder
[07:54] <ardchoille> !flash | N1ghtm4r3
[07:54] <ubotu> N1ghtm4r3: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:54] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: ... how?
[07:54] <Cannoli> now to get me a matrix screen saver :D
[07:54] <moparisthebest> Xcell, what makes you say that?
[07:54] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: with adept or apt-get
[07:54] <ardchoille> Cannoli: iirc, the kde screensaver app canuse xscreensavers
[07:55] <Xcell> I have no comment.
[07:55] <Cannoli> awesome
[07:55] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: so i type apt-get flashplayer-installer ?
[07:55] <ardchoille> Cannoli: apt-cache search xscreensaver
[07:55] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: no
[07:55] <moparisthebest> hehe, Cannoli did you install linux just for a matrix screensaver? :)
[07:55] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:56] <Cannoli> lmao moparisthebest, i installed it for the basic hacker look, and i wanted something new to play with
[07:56] <Cannoli> i tire of windows :P
[07:56] <Xcell> lol..enjoy.
[07:56] <moparisthebest> yea, I was just playing with you
[07:57] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: god i definitly need to learn what sudo and apt-get means
[07:57] <moparisthebest> thats how I started too, just installed it to play around for a bit, then I got hooked :/
[07:57] <stdin> !sudo
[07:57] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:57] <stdin> !cli
[07:57] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:57] <Xcell> well said stdin..
[07:58] <Cannoli> so how often does a new version of kubuntu come out
[07:58] <Cannoli> like this one is gusty, whens the next one due
[07:58] <Cannoli> ?
[07:58] <moparisthebest> every 6 months on the dot
[07:58] <Cannoli> oh sweet
[07:58] <moparisthebest> 7.10, the next would be 8.04
[07:58] <Xcell> Break the Conditioning of Windows People..Linux is Way better.
[07:58] <moparisthebest> get it, the month and year? :)
[07:58] <stdin> !release
[07:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:58] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: it doesnt work
[07:59] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: it says its already the latest version
[07:59] <moparisthebest> like this version, 7.10 was released 10 (october) of 07
[07:59] <Cannoli> hahah i get it now. i just dont get the name :S
[07:59] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: then you already have it installed
[07:59] <Cannoli> the next one should be Cannoli :D
[07:59] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: but it doesnt work ...
[07:59] <stdin> Cannoli: it'll be hardy herron
[07:59] <stdin> *heron
[08:00] <moparisthebest> N1ghtm4r3, are you using the 64bit version of kubuntu by chance?
[08:00] <N1ghtm4r3> nope
[08:00] <N1ghtm4r3> 32
[08:00] <moparisthebest> check in your konqueror settings, you may have to turn it on or something
[08:00] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: I just installed it, opened konqueror and had flash working
[08:00] <moparisthebest> Ive just used it in firefox
[08:01] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: make sure you restart konqueror after installing flash
[08:01] <N1ghtm4r3> stdin: thats what you dont understand ... i downloaded something from add/remove program .. it was restricted files thingie
[08:01] <stdin> yes, that installed the package I said
[08:02] <Xcell> still..stdin knows.
[08:02] <Xcell> Linux is not windows.
[08:03] <moparisthebest> earlier I was going to say always listen to stdin, but that really doesn't make sense, since you always listen to stdout
[08:03] <Xcell> Sry to int-erupt.
[08:03] <moparisthebest> technically, stdin should always listen to us, right?
[08:03] <stdin> no, I redirect you all to /dev/null :)
[08:04] <moparisthebest> but you couldn't, only stdout could ;)
[08:04] <Xcell> It amazes me.some get lucky and subscribe to as standard..what apharce.
[08:06] <Xcell> It amazes me.some get lucky and subscribe it to as a standard..what a farce.
[08:06] <Cannoli> !screensaver
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <Cannoli> !xscreensaver
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xscreensaver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <Xcell> Cannoli: try systemsettings>monitor.
[08:08] <Cannoli> no its a serperate program i had before
[08:08] <Cannoli> its called xscreensaver
[08:08] <Cannoli> i just cant remember how to get all the files for it
[08:08] <Xcell> ya exactly.
[08:08] <N1ghtm4r3> alright ... as far as i know .. Java is enabled
[08:08] <stdin> !find xscreensaver
[08:09] <ubotu> Found: xscreensaver, xscreensaver-data, xscreensaver-gl, xscreensaver-data-extra, xscreensaver-gl-extra
[08:09] <N1ghtm4r3> i cant find flash
[08:09] <N1ghtm4r3> !flash
[08:09] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:09] <moparisthebest> gnash doesn't work, so don't waste your time with it
[08:09] <Xcell> I'm glad I stuck with 32 bit..oi.
[08:10] <moparisthebest> 64 bit brings a challenge (headache) :)
[08:10] <Xcell> I almost converted.
[08:10] <N1ghtm4r3> im on 32 too
[08:10] <moparisthebest> i use 64 on my desktop, but 32 on the laptop
[08:11] <Xcell> I have my brother who will bring a asuse 64 bit..tomorrow...I told him..leave it a weeks worth..lol.
[08:12] <moparisthebest> suse? uck I can't stand RPM distrobutions
[08:12] <Xcell> asuse is a mobo.
[08:12] <moparisthebest> oh, asus?
[08:12] <Xcell> ya
[08:12] <moparisthebest> yep, I've used them, in fact my laptop is an asus
[08:13] <moparisthebest> but the cpu is what makes it 64 bit or not
[08:13] <Xcell> wwwith nvida drivers..go figure...atleats it (aint) ati...olo.
[08:13] <Xcell> oi
[08:13] <Xcell> with nvidia video
[08:14] <Xcell> He will hate me..He has ati card..and I wont deal with it.
[08:15] <Xcell> Ati always breaks.
[08:15] <Xcell> by design.
[08:16] <moparisthebest> ive always liked nvidia and amd, even when i used windows
[08:16] <moparisthebest> but now amd owns ati, and core2duos are better than amd :(
[08:16] <Xcell> Amd rocks as well as nvidia..
[08:17] <Xcell> Exactly..I told someone that nvidia bought ati and they called me a liar..i saw the docs.
[08:17] <Xcell> 1.5 yrs ago.
[08:18] <neville> Can somebody help me with my microphone please?
[08:18] <gadren> say, what would be the best way to format a USB flash drive in KDE?
[08:18] <N1ghtm4r3> so what am i supose to do about my flash not working? o_o
[08:18] <neville> What happens is, it's connected to the Mic jack on the sound card
[08:19] <neville> But it doesn't detect any sound
[08:19] <neville> This isn't the case in Windows though
[08:19] <neville> any ideas?
[08:19] <ardchoille> gadren: I use qtparted for that.
[08:19] <gadren> thanks, ardchoille
[08:19] <ardchoille> gadren: Depends on which OS you will be using the usb key in. If Linux only, then probably ext2 or ext3, if Linux+Windows, probably fat32
[08:20] <Xcell> ardchoille: Rocks..watch.
[08:21] <Cannoli> k im off to bed
[08:21] <Cannoli> thanx alot for you help everyone
[08:21] <Cannoli> g'night
[08:21] <Xcell> gnite.
[08:21] <ardchoille> gnite
[08:22] <ardchoille> I think for a usb key, ext2 is the best way to go because ext3 would end up eating up some of the available memory in order to hold the journal.
[08:24] <Xcell> Doing test..re-boot.brb..thanks.
[08:25] <ardchoille> Xcell: wait
[08:25] <Xcell> hurry
[08:25] <ardchoille> Xcell: Why are you rebooting? It's possible you can do what's needed without a reboot
[08:26] <Xcell> touch/fsck..ing
[08:26] <Xcell> brb
[08:26] <ardchoille> ok
[08:29] <N1ghtm4r3> so? .. about flash?
[08:29] <Xcell> yay.
[08:29] <Xcell> im good.
[08:30] <Xcell> Amarok rocks for a start up app.
[08:31] <Xcell> htop rocks too..get it.
[08:31] <Xcell> my cpu is from alaska..lol.
[08:32] <Xcell> I stifle.
[08:32] <N1ghtm4r3> i think i found out why it doesnt work
[08:33] <N1ghtm4r3> i have Mozilla firefox installed cause some guy made me apt-get Ubuntustudios-desktop
[08:33] <N1ghtm4r3> and it downloaded lots of useless stuff
[08:33] <Xcell> Exactly.
[08:33] <N1ghtm4r3> so when i try to install flash it installs it for mozilla
[08:33] <gadren> in Firefox, Ctrl+K brought the focus onto the search bar.  Does Konq have a similar keyboard shortcut?
[08:34] <N1ghtm4r3> so how do i take all this off?
[08:34] <stdin> N1ghtm4r3: sorry, I have firefox too, flash still works
[08:34] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: Open adept and start uninstalling stuff. But be careful and watch the deps that get uninstalled or you may uninstall something you need.
[08:35] <N1ghtm4r3> adept?
[08:35] <N1ghtm4r3> add/delete ?
[08:35] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: adept_manager
[08:40] <Xcell> tricky stuff..if a newbee..be ware.
[08:40] <Xcell> Does not kubuntu have a switch wich brings the install to null?
[08:41] <N1ghtm4r3> ardchoille: i type it in Konsole and it will bring it up?
[08:41] <Xcell> It should.
[08:41] <ardchoille> N1ghtm4r3: yes
[08:41] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: i dont know =S ... im a long time winDoser
[08:41] <Xcell> lol    k
[08:42] <Xcell> Would save hd's as well as band width.
[08:42] <N1ghtm4r3> im using the adept installer right now and it actualy does the same
[08:43] <Xcell> N1ghtm4r3:  i used ad remove for restricted xtras..it did the job.
[08:43] <Xcell> all was installed without fail.
[08:44] <Xcell> 2 much java installs create bad bean soup..lol.
[08:46] <mosiac> anyone an avid amarok user?
[08:47] <flaccid_> yeayh
[08:47] <mosiac> i clicked something wrong the first time i opened it and now i cant get it to look for songs
[08:48] <mosiac> lol nm
[08:48] <mosiac> i found what i need hehe
[08:48] <Xcell> what was it.
[08:48] <mosiac> i just had to goto options and tell it which folders my song files were in
[08:48] <Xcell> k thanks..
[08:50] <Xcell> I love Amarok..beats windoze winamp witch aol runs...total crap.
[08:50] <mosiac> well im really used to itunes
[08:50] <mosiac> which is why i like it hehe
[08:51] <Xcell> ted turner needs a hair cut..lol.
[08:51] <mosiac> lol
[08:51] <Xcell> he is drain bramaged.
[08:52] <mosiac> ok awesome new questions hehe anyone play tremelous?
[08:52] <Xcell> whats that  game?
[08:52] <mosiac> its a fps with aliens and humans
[08:52] <mosiac> supposedly pretty good
[08:52] <mosiac> but i can never get it to load
[08:52] <Xcell> my wife told me I was grounded from games.
[08:52] <mosiac> lol
[08:53] <ardchoille> mosiac: The ubuntu forums might have some info about it
[08:53] <Xcell> she has no shares..
[08:53] <mosiac> i was doing some searches
[08:53] <mosiac> but i dont think i found anything gonna check real quick
[08:54] <Xcell> W@ill work for Kubuntu.
[08:54] <Xcell> goofy kee bord.
[08:55] <Xcell> Must need cleaning..
[08:56] <neo_> guys I have a dual monitor setup and I have recently migrated from windows to Kubuntu 7.10. My second monitor is showing only lines. What to do. I tried to configure monitor and display but I end up no kde(x) after boot?
[08:56] <ardchoille> Xcell: You using my kb again? lol
[08:56] <Xcell> lol.I have hukt on fonix fer kee bords.
[08:57] <ardchoille> hahaha
[08:57] <ardchoille> !xinerama
[08:57] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[08:57] <ardchoille> !dualhead
[08:57] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[08:58] <N1ghtm4r3> xcell: no i mean im uninstalling everything related to Ubuntustudios
[08:58] <N1ghtm4r3> Xcell: sorry it took a while
[08:58] <sigma> besides konq, firefox what other web browsers are available for kde/kubuntu?
[08:59] <Xcell> N1ghtm4r3: it is a question of what works..I have litle experience in multiple extractions/.
[08:59] <sigma> N1ghtm4r3: why not just install the regular ubuntu?
[09:00] <Xcell> sogma: I will tickle you...Kubuntu Rocks.
[09:00] <Xcell> sigma..sry
[09:00] <ardchoille> sigma: There's opera, available from the partner repo
[09:00] <ardchoille> !info opera
[09:00] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in gutsy
[09:00] <ardchoille> !opera
[09:00] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:01] <ardchoille> sigma: There's also links and elinks
[09:01] <Xcell> ardchoille: how do I enable java with opera..that is what stoped me.
[09:01]  * ardchoille hides
[09:01] <posingaspopular> where are the openoffice temp files stored?
[09:02] <moparisthebest> opera isn't that hot anyway Xcell
[09:02] <ardchoille> Xcell: Installing opera via the package manager should take care of that for you, it did for me.
[09:02] <Xcell> Even though firefox is more automated.
[09:02] <neo_> 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx', will this command install my nvidia gforece fx 5500 drivers?
[09:02] <sigma> xcell: lol sorry meant install regular kubuntu
[09:02] <Xcell> screw opera..is sings the bad tune.
[09:02] <ardchoille> neo_: Hold on..
[09:03] <sigma> i tried opera, it looks old
[09:03] <N1ghtm4r3> sigma: Cause ubuntu sucks .... gnome fails
[09:03] <neo_> Hold on what you mean hold on, I just ran it, is ok?
[09:03] <Xcell> Gut fealing told me..dont do it...opera.
[09:03] <neo_> dude is it ok?
[09:03] <sigma> N1ghtm4r3: so try thats y i use kubuntu!
[09:03] <ardchoille> neo_: That's the correct driver, yes, I wanted to look it up.
[09:04] <neo_> oh! thanks, scared me there.
[09:04] <ardchoille> neo_: After installing it, you need to enable the driver and restart xorg
[09:04] <neo_> :)
[09:04] <neo_> ok thanks
[09:04] <posingaspopular> anyone know where the open office temp files are located?
[09:04] <sigma> does anyone know why the miro player has so many gnome dependencies? it looks really cool and dont get me wrong so does amarok, but miro plays both audio and video, unless theres a way to play video with amarok as well?
[09:05] <N1ghtm4r3> i believe amarok does too ... >,>
[09:05] <ardchoille> posingaspopular: I wanna say /tmp
[09:05] <NickPresta> Amarok doesn't play video.
[09:06] <posingaspopular> im pretty sure that programs all have their own hidden /programname files
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> sigma: Amarok 2 can play audio and video to. What your forgetting is Amarok doesnt just play audio it can stream from the web and manage a podcast downloads to you ipod
[09:06] <Xcell> http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/configuration_and_setup/index.html
[09:07] <Xcell> temp files
[09:07] <sigma> Linux_Galore: how do u make it play a video file?
[09:07] <mosiac> if i just restart x will it start using a new vid card driver?
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> sigma: install v2
[09:07] <Xcell> sigma: vlc
[09:07] <posingaspopular> kde/ktorrent or something similar
[09:07] <doyalBaBa> Amarok can play VIDEO?!!!!!
[09:07] <ardchoille> mosiac: It will use the driver that is defined in xorg.conf
[09:08] <N1ghtm4r3> mh i've seen those nifty 'widget/applet' onscreen in some screenshots .. i'd like some lol
[09:08] <mosiac> k
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> Version 2.0 can
[09:08] <mosiac> I downloaded the nvidia driver from synaptic will that setup the driver for me or is there something else I need to do?
[09:08] <sigma> Linux_Galore: where do u get it from? i have the one that came with ubuntu 7.10
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> thanks to phonon Amarok 2 can play video
[09:08] <ardchoille> mosiac: You installed it via synaptic?
[09:08] <Xcell> sigma needs spanked..lol.
[09:08] <mosiac> well downloaded it i assume it installed it
[09:08] <ardchoille> mosiac: Which driver? nvidia?
[09:09] <mosiac> nvidia 'new' driver.. mistake?
[09:09] <Linux_Galore> sigma: Amrok 2.0 isnt in the 7.10 repo, it should be in hardy in a few weeks
[09:09] <Xcell> waits
[09:09] <Xcell> cant
[09:09] <sigma> Linux_Galore: and that will work in 7.10?
[09:09] <ardchoille> mosiac: Don't know, I've never used that one. Try this in a terminal: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> sigma: well I use kmplayer for video and amarok for audio
[09:10] <Xcell> sigma: Invite me to dinner...please.
[09:10] <ardchoille> lol
[09:10] <sigma> isn't amarok 2.0 the one thats in the kde4 live cd's?
[09:11] <doyalBaBa> Amarok v2 can play video? WOW... ... surprising!!!!
[09:11] <mosiac> it said that my x config has been altered but then it says that the script can not proceed automatically that right?
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> although these days I have so little time so I watch  videos and listen to music on my Nokia N810 (yay amazon) thanks to canola
[09:11] <Xcell> Look 4 Amarok to take the codec by storm...I didnt tell ya. shh.
[09:11] <ardchoille> !nvidia | mosiac
[09:11] <ubotu> mosiac: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:12] <ardchoille> mosiac: Read that page, there's some helpful stuff there.
[09:12] <mosiac> k
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> doyalBaBa: well Amarok V2 uses the new phonon back end in kde 4. The funny thing is phonon makes playing media so easy the amarok guys found they could hack video support in after a few hours
[09:13] <Xcell> Amarok will soon make m$ look like phisher price..stand by.