[00:00] <StormStrikes> My thought though was that if it were truly a kernel issue then I could boot to a livecd with an older kernel and the fan should stop running so much
[00:00] <StormStrikes> However, that did  not pan out
[00:00] <GridCube> StormStrikes, you could get the pangolin alphas too
[00:00] <StormStrikes> So I tried the alpha release of ubuntu 12.04 and the fan still runs...
[00:00] <GridCube> oh
[00:00] <StormStrikes> though Im not sure if it makes a difference using a livecd or doing a full install
[00:00] <holstein> i would try a live CD, or just a mainline kernel or something before upgrading like that
[00:02] <StormStrikes> Im not entirely new to Linux, but Im not as experienced as some...and I certainly dont mess with the kernel usually....how would I try out the mainline kernel?
[00:02] <holstein> the reason i do that is because its just a .deb.. its easy to undo/revert
[00:02] <StormStrikes> I certainly do not want to use Ubuntu and its Unity...Ive had my fill of that and is why I use Xubuntu...
[00:03] <holstein> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.2-rc4-oneiric/ for example
[00:03] <ball> I preferred Xubuntu to Ubuntu even before the Unity thing, but having seen that I'm glad I use Xubuntu.
[00:04] <StormStrikes> Yeah, I am exceptionally happy with Xubuntu and will stick with it..
[00:04] <GridCube> :D
[00:04] <holstein> did i miss someone suggesting *not* using xubuntu?
[00:04] <StormStrikes> So I can just download that kernel and install it?  As simple as that?
[00:05] <holstein> StormStrikes: you can download the .debs there, and install
[00:05] <holstein> i usualy unhide grub
[00:05] <StormStrikes> No holstein, I was just commenting I dont want to go back to unity...sorry for the confusion on that
[00:05] <holstein> you can select the other kernel you are using now, and boot in to remove that one
[00:06] <holstein> i miss nautilus... but im trying not to install it
[00:08] <holstein> StormStrikes: i also like GridCube 's idea of just trying a daily LIVE iso for PP
[00:09] <StormStrikes> Does Xubuntu have a daily live iso?  I didnt see one but could have missed it
[00:11] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:11] <holstein> that might be text alternate installer though...
[00:11] <holstein> no.. i think its live
[00:11] <GridCube> StormStrikes, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/7460/downloads
[00:13] <StormStrikes> Yeah, I downloaded the live 12.04, but when I installed it to a usb stick, it booted as ubuntu...
[00:14] <StormStrikes> Im downloading it again though...now that the CD drive is working again I will burn it to that at boot from there...
[00:14] <holstein> StormStrikes: its the same kernel either way... so for your tests, it doesnt matter
[00:15] <StormStrikes> Okay, cool.
[00:16] <StormStrikes> I dont really need the Nvidia graphics, but if I can get the fan to stop constantly running I will be a really happy camper...
[00:25] <Willie-Tingha> hi ppl
[00:25] <GridCube> :)
[00:25] <Willie-Tingha> ne 1 here
[00:26] <GridCube> ?
[00:26] <Willie-Tingha> i need help
[00:26] <GridCube> !ask Willie-Tingha
[00:27] <GridCube> !ask | Willie-Tingha
[00:28] <Willie-Tingha> I am using a wireless modem - I get 1 or 2 dropouts a day - how can I set the system to restart automatically - Xubuntu and Kubuntu instead of using the taskbar icon
[00:29] <Willie-Tingha> sorry ubottu  - it is my first time here - be compassionate!!
[00:29] <Willie-Tingha> :)
[00:29] <GridCube> Willie-Tingha, :) ubottu is an irc bot
[00:29] <Willie-Tingha> lol
[00:29] <GridCube> Willie-Tingha, what do you mean by restart?
[00:29] <Willie-Tingha> bots should be compassionate then!!
[00:30] <Willie-Tingha> when I get the dropout I have to click on the taskbar icon and click the wireless icon to restart the connection - i would like this to be automatic
[00:31] <GridCube> he didnt went HAL9000 on you yet  :P
[00:31] <GridCube> oh
[00:31] <GridCube> it should be automatic
[00:31] <GridCube> mine is
[00:31] <Willie-Tingha> i thought it should be - but mine just hangs until i restart the connection manually
[00:32] <Willie-Tingha> did you know that Arthur C Clark chose the initials HAL because they are the letters before IBM??
[00:32] <GridCube> hmmm
[00:33] <ball> Willie-Tingha: Clarke denies that, though he probably does so with a wink.
[00:33] <Willie-Tingha> he was too clever not to do that
[00:33] <ball> Willie-Tingha: I think Clarke was embarrassed by that a little.
[00:34] <Willie-Tingha> I will go off and check everything again and see if I can fix the problem - thanks for the chat - maybe I shall return again
[00:34] <Willie-Tingha> bye
[02:16] <joe``> i deleted the task manager from the xfce panel and was wondering how to keep the notification area, date, and workspace switcher positioned all the way to the right
[02:39] <krispaul> Hello
[02:39] <krispaul> In ubuntu the fn volume keys works, but not in xubuntu, how i can debug/fix this issue?
[02:40] <krispaul> I confess i never had and issue like this in the past, so please be patience with me.. i dont know where start to look for touchpad hw, if pci? if usb?..
[02:51] <holstein> krispaul: there are probably some packages that main ubunt uuses that xubntu is not using
[02:54] <krispaul> for example..
[02:55] <CiPi> Type xev in terminal and see if is returning something.
[02:55] <CiPi> It may be the default behavior...
[02:55] <CiPi> If is returning something, see this and change the behavior of the keys. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard
[02:56] <krispaul> it is, okay let see
[02:57] <CiPi> Bro, I`m gettong out, is 5 in the morning in my country. :)
[02:57] <CiPi> Hope that you have some luck with that.
[02:59] <krispaul> btw why apple, my laptop is samsung..
[02:59] <krispaul> ?
[03:00] <krispaul> ah ok, i do must change  behavior, just an example :)
[03:00] <CiPi> Yes. :)
[03:03] <CiPi> Good luck.
[04:44] <lhasa> any ideas why thunar would have no icons when opened w/ gksudo ? there's no error message (in the console at least)
[04:53] <dethos> Hello, can anyone tell if there is any graphical to edit xfce aplication menu?
[04:54] <dethos> 'graphical tool
[04:54] <lhasa> there is, it's called alacarte but ... it has an absolutely obscene number of dependencies
[04:56] <lhasa> i had the bright idea once to use it to edit my menu and then remove it, it was rather ugly :P
[04:58] <dethos> err.. ok thank you, needed to edit the menu but i thought i would a simple tool!
[04:59] <dethos> if it has that many dependencies, i think i can live with the menu just the way it is!
[05:03] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends    command to run in terminal
[05:04] <Unit193> But, what version of Xubuntu?
[05:06] <dethos> 11.10
[05:08] <Unit193> Great, go for it
[05:09] <dethos> ok ty for the help!
[05:15] <lhasa> thanks, i'll remember that for next time :D
[05:41] <ruslan_osmanov> hi. need your help guys very much
[05:41] <ruslan_osmanov> can´t find Russian keyboard layout in xubuntu
[05:45] <ruslan_osmanov> anybody?
[05:46] <ruslan_osmanov> there are some layouts missing in comparison with gnome
[05:57] <TVasEyes> hi
[05:57] <TVasEyes> in the systray mixer volume control, I like to change
[05:58] <TVasEyes> the gmusicbrowser app to parole, how to?
[06:49] <Sysi> TVasEyes: I think it should be there just by it being used.. you may need to relogin, or it just doesn't work
[06:49] <Sysi> (it's indicator btw)
[06:49] <TVasEyes> Sysi, thanks for the reply, everything works fine,
[06:50] <TVasEyes> I simply want to replace the default gmusicbrowser with parole,
[06:50] <TVasEyes> cannot find any config files.
[06:50] <Sysi> it might be possible with pavucontrol
[06:51] <TVasEyes> Sysi, pavucontrol?
[06:51] <Sysi> !info pavucontrol
[06:52] <TVasEyes> ah, thanks, Iĺl look into this.
[07:47] <ncrecords> hello. quick question: is there a way to install MintMenu on XUbuntu 11.10?
[07:48] <ncrecords> googling gave no answers - I hope you can help me. or just tell me to stop seqarching if that is impossible to do
[07:52] <ncrecords> hello? sorry for being annoying, but... em.. is anybody here?
[09:33] <incorrect> how can i disable xscreensaver?
[09:36] <baizon> in the settings
[09:36] <baizon> i think display
[09:36] <baizon> submenu
[09:38] <Sysi> screensaver settings
[10:19] <right> xubuntu 12.04  install err!!
[10:34] <dpyro> hey all, how the heck can I swap my escape and caps lock keys
[10:34] <dpyro> i could do it under gnome but am lost here
[10:41] <TheSheep> dpyro: I would look at xmodmap
[10:42] <dpyro> tried it
[10:42] <dpyro> bugs out
[10:42] <dpyro> googled it
[10:42] <dpyro> other people had trouble with the caps lock key
[10:42] <dpyro> i'm looking for a gui solution, hopefully
[10:43] <TheSheep> I just turned my caps lock into a compose key with an xkb option
[10:43]  * dpyro vims
[10:43] <TheSheep> with dpkg-reconfigure console
[10:43] <dpyro> hell i even have them swapped on my windows desktop
[10:44] <TheSheep> just use ctrl+[
[10:44] <dpyro> two keys? blasphemy!
[10:45] <TheSheep> I think that messing with xmodmap and caps lock is a little more complicated, because it has a state
[10:45] <TheSheep> but it's doable
[10:49] <dpyro> the only problem with xmodmap is that it doesn't detect my keyboard properly
[10:49] <dpyro> i've tried all the PC/US* layouts and none of them are right, just less wrong
[11:10] <TheSheep> um, I'm pretty sure keyboard detection is not involved
[11:10] <TheSheep> you just remap them
[13:38] <ineedhelp> hi
[13:38] <Error404NotFound> funny: i was listening to music on laptop speakers for a while, now when i plug in headphones, volume goes unmute with absolutely no way, not in my knowledge, to unmute it. I have tried killing pulseaudio.
[13:40] <ineedhelp> Something happend that broken my sound. If I try to play an mp3 file in gmusicbrowser it says that I am missing gstreamer plugin.
[13:40] <ineedhelp> using xubuntu 11.10
[13:48] <ineedhelp> how do I start gstreamer server??
[13:56] <Sysi> ineedhelp: you need dome gstreamer plugin, search for them in synaptic or software center
[13:57] <Sysi> or you can install xubuntu-restricted-extras and get all nice badly licensed blobs
[13:58] <ineedhelp> Sysi: I don't even have sound on youtube, if I try to up or down volume it does nothing in tray (speaker is always on "full" volume)
[13:59] <ineedhelp> maybe remove something in my home directory? any configuration?
[13:59] <ineedhelp> sound was working without xubuntu-restriced-extras
[13:59] <Sysi> try pulseaudio -k
[14:02] <ineedhelp> so after pulseaudio -k I don't get error that I am missing plugin
[14:02] <ineedhelp> but still no sound
[14:02] <ineedhelp> speaker still shows full volume in tray
[14:02] <Sysi> relogin/reboot
[14:02] <ineedhelp> okay. brb
[14:08] <ineedhelp> nope, didn't help. gstreamer error have got back
[14:08] <ineedhelp> still no sound
[14:10] <ineedhelp> http://pastebin.com/gepCn09c gmusicbrowser error
[14:15] <ineedhelp> okay, installing gstreamer0.10-lame seems to solved gstreamer error
[14:15] <ineedhelp> but still no sound
[14:21] <oobiloz> ineedhelp.. is that hte only one without sound?
[14:21] <oobiloz> does it work when ur speakers are on
[14:21] <oobiloz> and
[14:21] <oobiloz> when u go to alsamixer, is the speaker down to zero?
[14:21] <carloss> i have a big problem with xubuntu where windows that gain focus automatically jump to the existing workspace.  rather than staying where they are
[14:22] <carloss> this gets real annoying.  anyone know how to fix?
[14:26] <oobiloz> click on the workspace icon on the upper right hand corner
[14:26] <oobiloz> i think
[14:26] <oobiloz> u can change it
[14:26] <oobiloz> and then choose one workspace
[14:26] <oobiloz> can't remembe very well but on that portion where it shows u... near hte time
[14:27] <carloss> all i see are workspace settings for adding more workspaces
[14:27] <carloss> now how to disable windows from jumping to different workspaces on their own
[14:27] <carloss> not*
[14:33] <oobiloz> eh
[14:33] <oobiloz> isn't there an option
[14:33] <oobiloz> wehre u can pick a number.. one workspace
[14:33] <oobiloz> u don't disable it as such
[14:34] <oobiloz> ok
[14:34] <oobiloz> did u go to settings
[14:34] <oobiloz> and workspaces?
[14:34] <oobiloz> go to settings, workspaces. number of workspaces switch to one (if htat's what u want to happen)
[14:36] <CaptainKnots> am I able to dd a xubuntu 11.10 iso to a flash drive in another distro  to get a working installer flash drive?
[14:41] <Sysi> nope, you ened to use unetbootin
[14:41] <CaptainKnots> unetbootin sucks on suse
[14:42] <Sysi> carloss: see window manager settings
[14:42] <carloss> Sysi: i looked in there
[14:42] <Sysi> there's tap for that, second tab IIRC
[14:43] <carloss> there's a focus tab that i edited earlier that didn't seem to do the trick
[14:43] <carloss> "auto give focus to newly created windows"
[14:44] <carloss> it's still doing the same thing.  unless i need to log out and log in for it to apply
[14:44] <Sysi> it's not that option
[14:44] <carloss> hrmm
[14:44] <carloss> which one, then?
[14:45] <Sysi> it's in focus-tab
[14:47] <carloss> i'm there
[14:47] <carloss> what option?
[14:48] <Sysi> I'm not on xfce ATM, I just remember it's obvious
[14:48] <carloss> hrmm
[14:48] <carloss> okay
[14:50] <unco> ?
[14:50] <unco> a
[14:50] <carloss> Sysi: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7156802/Selection_001.png
[14:50] <carloss> maybe that helps
[14:50] <unco> hey
[14:51] <unco> me
[14:51]  * unco aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[14:52] <oobiloz> the workspace setting didnt' work eh?
[14:52] <carloss> nope
[14:52] <oobiloz> O.O
[14:52] <Sysi> carloss: that is not "window manager tweaks"
[14:52] <oobiloz> that sux, sorry
[14:52] <carloss> ahhh, Sysi
[14:53] <carloss> Sysi: "Activate focus stealing prevention"
[14:53] <carloss> Sysi: never mind
[14:53] <carloss> i found it
[14:53] <carloss> xubuntu is now perfect
[14:53] <Sysi> it's not that
[14:53] <carloss> "When a window raises itself..."
[14:53] <carloss> Do Nothing
[14:54] <Sysi> for example
[14:55] <carloss> works!
[14:55] <carloss> thanks, Sysi
[16:04] <baizon> hi guys, i have a problem with ccc and 2 displays
[16:04] <baizon> it doesnt work at all
[16:05] <baizon> when i try to change the settings ccc closes and the change isnt applyd
[16:06] <baizon> any advices? catalyst is 11.11
[16:08] <TheSheep> what is ccc?
[16:08] <baizon> amdccc
[16:09] <baizon> wasnt it catalys command center? :D
[16:09] <baizon> no sorry its catalyst control center :D
[16:10] <TheSheep> I have no idea what that is, I'm pretty sure it's not a part of xubuntu
[16:10] <baizon> its the amd software tool to configure graphics
[16:11] <TheSheep> I guess you need to report a bug to amd %)
[16:11] <baizon> come on no help at all? :P
[16:11] <TheSheep> try running it from terminal and see if it prints anything
[16:11] <baizon> got new laptop and opensource drivers arent working very well
[16:11] <baizon> trying the closed source
[16:12] <TheSheep> closed source is hard to help with
[16:12] <TheSheep> you can't just check what's wrong with it easily
[16:12] <baizon> damn
[16:12] <baizon> i know
[16:13] <TheSheep> you have to hope that it shows some useful message somewhere that suggests what might be wrong
[16:13] <TheSheep> or that you find a workaround described on some forums
[16:15] <baizon> yeah searching right now
[16:19] <baizon> ok reboot time
[16:19] <baizon> thx
[17:21] <crazymutex> hey guys
[17:21] <crazymutex> since when does root need a mount point to be in fstab to be able to mount it?
[17:22] <crazymutex> to mount a fs on it
[17:22] <crazymutex> I get "cant find /foo/bar in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" error thou I ran mount with sudo
[17:22] <charlie-tca> It doesn't, but it does need a directory/folder to mount to. fstab generally provides the folder
[17:23] <crazymutex> well, isnt root supposed to be able to mount anything anywhere, regardless of fstab entries
[17:23] <charlie-tca>  /etc/mtab is the list of all mount points, so if it did not mount, it will be missing there.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> yes, if there is an existing folder to use as the mount point
[17:24] <crazymutex> the folder exists
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I mount about 10 folders here that are not in /etc/fstab.
[17:25] <crazymutex> it's a crptoloop
[17:25] <crazymutex> it seems it gives me that error because I typed a wrong password
[17:25] <crazymutex> this is misleading
[17:38] <baizon> ok im back
[17:39] <baizon> so now i know the problem... aticonfig and xrandr is it
[17:39] <baizon> how can i disable xrandr?
[17:54] <cyocum> Hi, I just got a new XPS L702X laptop with a geforce 550M...it does seem to work and I tried installing the newest nvidia drivers (no joy either)...anyone have an experiences with this?
[17:54] <cyocum> I mean it "doesn't seem to work"
[18:44] <baizon> anybody a idea how to fix this problem? -> "--dtop and --desktop-setup, are not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled!"
[20:39] <theuns> i installed xbuntu  11.10  on old desktop, and when it starts it get stuck at 'checking battery', is there a way for it not to check the battery?
[20:41] <theuns> I have to startup in recovery mode in grub then choose normal boot then it boot up
[20:42] <TheSheep> I think it gets stuck a little bit later, the battery message is just the last message it displayed
[20:42] <TheSheep> you can try using some boot parameters
[20:42] <theuns> true, this can also be
[20:42] <TheSheep> !boot
[20:42] <TheSheep> see the boot options link in there
[20:43] <theuns> ok, thanks, i will have a look
[20:45] <TheSheep> theuns: you want the 'common kernel options' section
[20:47] <theuns> ok, thanks
[20:47] <theuns> But which one? is the big question
[20:53] <dpyro> Anyone know how I can swap Esc and Caps Lock?
[21:00] <TVasEyes> -dpyro, from memory, via definitions in ~/.Xresources or ~/.Xdefaults.
[21:08] <teknoduke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11496810 <-- any help¿
[21:11] <baizon> teknoduke: any addons?
[21:11] <baizon> or plugins?
[21:12] <Sysi> try disabling all plugins and them re-enabling them one at a time
[21:12] <teknoduke> baizon ad block, echofon
[21:12] <baizon> try what Sysi wrote
[21:13] <baizon> when ff works again
[21:13] <baizon> try to remove the addons
[21:13] <teknoduke> oks
[21:14] <baizon> or reset your settings
[21:14] <baizon> if that doesnt help
[21:16] <teknoduke> nice i found the problematic addon was Cuevana player
[21:16] <teknoduke> thanks baizon
[21:17] <baizon> nice
[21:17] <baizon> np teknoduke
[21:20] <TVasEyes> dpyro, actually xmodmap.  http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix3/upt/ch06_01.htm
[21:22] <baizon> is there a way to disable xrandr so i can use aticonfig?
[21:25] <atruno> and i make the heigth of  the drop down xubuntu menu entries to be larger like in gnome ?
[21:25] <jeffs13> anyone available to help answer a technical question?
[21:25] <atruno> not that big but bigger.  i have to strain my eyes
[21:25] <TheSheep> atruno: you can use larger icons
[21:26] <TheSheep> jeffs13: depends on the question, you just have to ask
[21:26] <baizon> jeffs13: just ask
[21:27] <jeffs13> I am setting up a bit of a home server, and was attempting to use xubuntu to do so, and this is my first attempt at using ubuntu or xubuntu with multiple internal hard drives
[21:27] <jeffs13> and I'm having a problem with it constantly shifting device names, and can't make heads or tails of some of the udev / related info out there
[21:27] <jeffs13> i.e. sda becomes sdc becomes sdb depending on each boot...
[21:28] <TheSheep> jeffs13: use uuids
[21:29] <jeffs13> uuids in udev rules, or is there an easier/better way to do this
[21:30] <TheSheep> jeffs13: you can just use uuids in fstab directly
[21:30] <TheSheep> actually ubuntu does that by default
[21:30] <GridCube> uuids are cool if you don't ever partition your drives
[21:31] <TheSheep> you can also use /dev/disk/by-uuid/ or by-label
[21:31] <jeffs13> the problem is that nothing at all is happening to any drive except the boot one by default, they dont even appear in fstab
[21:32] <TheSheep> they won't appear in fstab by themselves
[21:32] <GridCube> jeffs13, what does gparted says?
[21:32] <TheSheep> you have to add them yourself, like this:  UUID=a39ff4bb-f257-4008-8b2b-a1e027782590 /home ext4 defaults 0 0
[21:35] <jeffs13> ok, I'll try adding
[21:35] <jeffs13> gparted or other managers do show them, and I can mount manually there
[21:36] <GridCube> you can get its /dev/sd[NUMBER] there and use it on fstab too
[21:38] <jeffs13> ok
[21:38] <jeffs13> I'll try that, thanks a bunch
[21:43] <dpyro> TVasEyes: i tried xmodmap
[21:43] <dpyro> it bugs out with "keysym Caps_Lock"
[21:43] <dpyro> i tired xkeycap
[21:43] <dpyro> can't detect the right keyboard in the first place
[21:45] <TVasEyes> dpyro, is your keyboard usb or ps/2, do you use xorg.conf or is keyboard detected?
[21:47] <dpyro> vmware w/ win7 host (usb logitech keyboard), xubuntu 11.10 guest
[21:49] <dpyro> it's detected fine in xfce itself
[21:49] <dpyro> and the keyboard settings manager module gets along with it too
[21:50] <GridCube> dpyro, whats your problem?
[21:50] <dpyro> GridCube: I'm trying to swap caps lock and escape
[21:51] <GridCube> :o
[21:52] <GridCube> no idea
[21:54] <GridCube> dpyro, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/31/changing-the-system-keyboard-mapping-on-ubuntu-dvorak-vs-qwerty/
[21:55] <dpyro> GridCube: but that's between layouts
[21:55] <dpyro> i want to swap two specific keys
[21:57] <GridCube> dpyro, http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_make_a_keymap
[21:58] <GridCube> the only reason i've ever heard anyone swaping escape is for vim
[21:58] <dpyro> well yes that's why
[21:58] <dpyro> also GridCube that doesn't help either
[21:59] <GridCube> http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_map_keys_in_vim
[21:59] <dpyro> i don't want to map it in vim
[21:59] <dpyro> i want to map it system-wide
[21:59] <GridCube> mmhm
[21:59] <GridCube> okay
[22:02] <GridCube> dpyro, http://people.uleth.ca/~daniel.odonnell/Blog/custom-keyboard-in-linuxx11
[22:03] <dpyro> looks like that may work
[22:03] <dpyro> i was hoping for something along the lines of ~/.Xmodmap
[22:03] <GridCube> :D \o/
[22:04] <dpyro> but everything I copy-pasta gets syntax errored
[22:05] <GridCube> dpyro, http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/X11/xmodmap.html
[22:05] <GridCube> :/
[22:05] <GridCube> sorry I don't know
[22:05] <GridCube> :D I'm just a librarian
[22:05] <dpyro> thanks for the help though, you got me going in the right direction :)
[22:06] <GridCube> :D success then!


[00:10] <bradm> anyone seen maas lie about power state?  I've got some HP kit that maas says it powers on, the web ui says its on, but the ilo says its off
[00:10] <bradm> this only seems to happen when its being deployed, the commissioning worked fine, so I know the power settings are right
[00:10] <bradm> and its not consistantly doing it, its only since upgrading to 1.9.1+bzr4543-0ubuntu1
[00:27] <mup> Bug #1555864 opened:  [2.0a1] UI Nodes page shows 'ascii' codec can't decode byte <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555864>
[02:31] <mup> Bug #1555901 opened: Number of regiond process is not determined <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555901>
[11:13] <BlackDex> i get the following error during boot in dmesg: [  132.794959] init: maas-regiond-worker (3) main process (4763) terminated with status 1
[11:14] <BlackDex> [  132.794979] init: maas-regiond-worker (3) main process ended, respawning
[11:14] <BlackDex> And that happens a lot
[13:32] <mup> Bug #1556085 opened: adding boot-source keyring_data fails silently <sts> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556085>
[14:49] <voidspace> roaksoax: ping
[14:50] <voidspace> roaksoax: when commissioning fails I can login - how do I disable poweroff?
[14:50] <voidspace> roaksoax: and what logfiles would be helpful, there's no console.log - there's cloud-init and cloud-init-output
[14:50] <voidspace> amongst other things
[14:52] <voidspace> cloud-init-output.log has the error 400s in it
[14:52] <voidspace> I'll attach those two to my bug
[14:53] <voidspace> done
[14:55] <roaksoax> voidspace: can you send me the link of yoiur bug again please
[14:55] <roaksoax> voidspace: and if you are using 1.9, when you commission there's an option to disable power off
[14:55] <voidspace> roaksoax: yeah, I selected that... it still powers off
[14:56] <voidspace> roaksoax: I'll try again to confirm I did it right
[14:56] <voidspace> roaksoax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1555570
[14:56] <roaksoax> voidspace: interesting, then cloud-init might be doing something it should...
[14:56] <roaksoax> voidspace: oh, you ar enot commissioning, you are enlisting
[14:56] <voidspace> roaksoax: no, I'm commissioning
[14:56] <voidspace> roaksoax: enlisting works, it's commissioning that doesn't
[14:57] <voidspace> trying again, *definitely* selected disable power off
[14:58] <roaksoax> voidspace: failed to enlist system maas server
[14:58] <roaksoax> sleeping 60 seconds then poweroff
[14:58] <roaksoax> voidspace: the cloud-init-output you attached is not for commissioning, it is for enlistment
[14:58] <voidspace> well, I commssion and then reboot the machine manually
[14:58] <voidspace> ah yes, indeed it says that
[14:59] <voidspace> but I'm *trying* to commission
[14:59] <roaksoax> voidspace: based on the log, that doesn't seem a commissioning
[14:59] <voidspace> so it seems the bug then is "maas doesn't commission but tries to re-enlist"
[15:00] <roaksoax> voidspace: questions:
[15:00] <roaksoax> 1. does the machine in MAAS have *all* mac addresses of the system?
[15:00] <roaksoax> 2. is the system trying to PXE boot from a mac address/interface that's not in MAAS ?
[15:01] <roaksoax> voidspace: i'd say: 1. delete the machine in maas. 2. let it auto-enlist. 3. once the machine is in 'New' state, try to commission and see what happens
[15:01] <voidspace> roaksoax: that machine has one interface (one mac) and is pxe booting from maas
[15:01] <voidspace> roaksoax: that is exactly what I've been doing, repeatedly
[15:01] <voidspace> roaksoax: I have deleted and re-enlisted multiple times with multiple fresh installs
[15:01] <roaksoax> voidspace: the only reason why I'd think the machine is trying to enlist even though it should be commissioning, it is because MAAS is detecting a different MAC address than the one it has stored
[15:01] <voidspace> roaksoax: I can provide maas logs
[15:02] <roaksoax> voidspace: please do
[15:04] <voidspace> roaksoax: regiond, rackd and maas logs attached
[15:05] <voidspace> roaksoax: this same setup behaves fine with maas 1.9
[15:05] <roaksoax> voidspace: thanks
[15:06] <roaksoax> voidspace: : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15347930/
[15:07] <roaksoax> voidspace: can you show /etc/maas/regiond.conf and /etc/maas/rackd.conf ?
[15:07] <voidspace> ok
[15:08] <mup> Bug #1555570 opened: Problem commissioning nodes (2.0) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555570>
[15:08] <mup> Bug #1556138 opened: maas regiond upgrade from 1.8.2 to 1.9.1 silently failed <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556138>
[15:09] <voidspace> roaksoax: done
[15:09] <voidspace> roaksoax: rackd.conf shows localhost as the url - which is what I get after a default install
[15:10] <voidspace> roaksoax: if I reconfigure maas-rack-controller and put in the url http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS then the rack controller reports it can't connect to the region
[15:10] <roaksoax> voidspace: what version of 1.2 ?
[15:10] <roaksoax> 2.0
[15:10] <roaksoax> err 2.0
[15:11] <voidspace> roaksoax: whatever is in next-proposed as of a couple of hours ago
[15:11] <roaksoax> voidspace: is <IP_ADDRESS> inside a network that the machines can commitcate with ?
[15:12] <voidspace> yes
[15:13] <roaksoax> voidspace: are you willing to try something even more bleeding edge ?
[15:14] <voidspace> roaksoax: yes, but after I go collect my daughter from school
[15:14] <voidspace> roaksoax: if you pastebin instructions on how to install from source (or link to them) then I'll try after I get back
[15:15] <roaksoax> voidspace: ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental3
[15:15] <voidspace> roaksoax: I'm installing on disposable VMs
[15:15] <voidspace> roaksoax: ah, cool
[15:15] <voidspace> thanks
[15:26] <mup> Bug #1532935 opened: Nodes stuck at grub menu when attempting to Autopilot deploy <cdo-qa> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532935>
[15:38] <mup> Bug #1555570 changed: Problem commissioning nodes (2.0) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555570>
[15:38] <mup> Bug #1556153 opened: ERROR destroying instances: cannot release nodes: gomaasapi: got error back from server: 504 GATEWAY TIMEOUT (Unexpected exception: TimeoutError <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556153>
[15:44] <roaksoax> voidspace: also, please attach maas <maas-user> interfaces read <node-system-id> the output of that to your bug
[15:44] <roaksoax> voidspace: i think it si related to other thing
[15:44] <voidspace> roaksoax: ok, cloning a vm right now
[15:47] <roaksoax> voidspace: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1555570/comments/11
[15:48] <mup> Bug #1556153 changed: ERROR destroying instances: cannot release nodes: gomaasapi: got error back from server: 504 GATEWAY TIMEOUT (Unexpected exception: TimeoutError <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556153>
[15:48] <mup> Bug #1555570 opened: Problem commissioning nodes (2.0) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555570>
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1556153 opened: ERROR destroying instances: cannot release nodes: gomaasapi: got error back from server: 504 GATEWAY TIMEOUT (Unexpected exception: TimeoutError <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556153>
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1556158 opened: Spurious test failure in TestRegionProtocol_SendEvent.test_send_event_does_not_fail_if_unknown_type <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556158>
[16:00] <mup> Bug #1555570 changed: Problem commissioning nodes (2.0) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555570>
[16:00] <mup> Bug #1556158 changed: Spurious test failure in TestRegionProtocol_SendEvent.test_send_event_does_not_fail_if_unknown_type <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556158>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1555570 opened: Problem commissioning nodes (2.0) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555570>
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1556158 opened: Spurious test failure in TestRegionProtocol_SendEvent.test_send_event_does_not_fail_if_unknown_type <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556158>
[16:39] <mup> Bug #1556185 opened: TypeError: 'Machine' object is not iterable <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556185>
[16:39] <mup> Bug #1556188 opened: Spurious test failure in TestMachinePartitionListener.test__calls_handler_with_update_on_update <tests> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556188>
[17:00] <Free99> Hey everyone, new to MaaS. I'm having an issue where I deploy 14.04 to my IPMI nodes, but I get "Deployment Failed"
[17:00] <Free99> I can't seem to find any details in maas.log, regiond.log or clusterd.log as to why this step fails
[17:01] <Free99> Interestingly, I think the system properly installs
[17:06] <Bofu2U> Free99: have you looked at the screen or watched it through IPMI when it's deploying?
[17:07] <Free99> Bofu2U, yeah, only thing that shows up is an sr0 error..
[17:07] <Free99> what would the CD drive have to do with this though?
[17:07] <Bofu2U> nothing that I can think of
[17:08] <Bofu2U> you're talking about a server you're trying to boot into maas through discovery, right?
[17:08] <Bofu2U> not the head node/master/whatever
[17:09] <Free99> right.. I got it registered properly with maas, it booted the tftp image.. but then the webui jumps to "deployment failed after about 5-10 minutes
[17:09] <Free99> only complication here: DHCP is provided by my gateway
[17:09] <Bofu2U> does the image load/boot properly ?
[17:10] <Bofu2U> (in other words does it start booting through PXE, TFTP, etc)
[17:11] <Bofu2U> only times I've run into something like that was when the node couldn't access something at some point (yes, vague as hell) - I deleted it from maas entirely and rebooted it so it went back through discovery, etc
[17:14] <Free99> crud I hope I don't need to do that
[17:14] <Bofu2U> also note I'm talking about
[17:14] <Bofu2U> deleted the node from maas
[17:14] <Bofu2U> not maas as it's entirety
[17:15] <Free99> no I know, but still... 10 nodes
[17:15] <Bofu2U> oh it's on all 10?
[17:15] <Bofu2U> err
[17:15] <Bofu2U> May want to wait around and see if anyone else has any ideas then :(
[17:18] <Free99> ok, so the one node I directly watched boot gets all the way to the login screen
[17:19] <Free99> but... maas still says "deploying"
[17:19] <Bofu2U> and is this on commissioning
[17:19] <Bofu2U> or deploying
[17:19] <Free99> just deploying
[17:19] <Bofu2U> on the prompt is the server name ubuntu
[17:19] <Bofu2U> or the correct name set in MAAS
[17:19] <Free99> commissioning worked, it figured out the disk layout and blah blah
[17:19] <Free99> coreect name, node-7
[17:20] <Bofu2U> go back to your MAAS properties on that server, make sure the IP is set
[17:20] <Free99> can't modify it unless ready or broken
[17:20] <Bofu2U> is there an IP set at all?
[17:23] <Bofu2U> it sounds like it gets to the prompt and then can't connect back to the headnode to let it know it's finished deploying
[17:24] <Free99> seems like it, DHCP lease list on my gateway indicates the right FQDN has an ip, and it responds to ping
[17:24] <Free99> can't ssh in though in spite of the public key
[17:24] <Free99> *in spite of adding my public key
[17:24] <Bofu2U> but SSH does get through?
[17:24] <Bofu2U> aka it connects properly, but then fails due to auth
[17:25] <Free99> auth fails but I can ssh from the maas control server
[17:26] <Bofu2U> ok so it can talk then
[17:26] <Bofu2U> hm
[17:26] <Bofu2U> nothing else comes up on the login screen? like apt-get randomly or anything like that
[17:26] <Free99> nope, not even that sr0 error
[17:26] <Bofu2U> ok do you have any nodes still in "deploying" state
[17:26] <Bofu2U> aka haven't failed yet
[17:26] <Free99> no
[17:27] <Bofu2U> This is going to sound a bit ... weird but, sometimes it worked for me and I have absolutely no idea why
[17:27] <Free99> I only tried deploying to this one node which I have a display connected to... figure if I can get this one working I'll get all of them
[17:27] <Bofu2U> go through the process again with 1 node
[17:27] <Bofu2U> discovery, then commission
[17:27] <Bofu2U> then deploy
[17:27] <Bofu2U> every time you see it boot up, hit the F<whatever> key to forcibly select the boot sequence into PXE
[17:28] <Bofu2U> there's also ways to "backdoor" your image to put a user/pass so you can login but I wasn't able to make that work :-/
[17:28] <Free99> yeah I saw
[17:28] <Free99> sheesh... this software seems a little rough around the edges
[17:29] <Free99> can't add an ECDSA or ed25519 key
[17:29] <Bofu2U> heh
[17:29] <Bofu2U> yeah there's a few quirks that would be nice if they were different
[17:30] <Bofu2U> like not taking almost 2 weeks to figure out how to add centos images to it
[17:30] <Bofu2U> you know, small things :P
[17:30] <Free99> they mention windows image support, but no docs!
[17:31] <Free99> I'll write to docs, no problem, but I gotta get it to work at all
[17:32] <Bofu2U> I know the feeling
[17:32] <Bofu2U> :)
[17:39] <Free99> Bofu2U, another question: does the system install to local disk at all?
[17:39] <Bofu2U> yes
[17:39] <Free99> it doesn't seem to though
[17:39] <Bofu2U> that's the problem you're running into then
[17:39] <Free99> but how did it boot?
[17:39] <Bofu2U> PXE
[17:39] <Free99> it's just ram resident?
[17:39] <Bofu2U> yeah the curtain installer
[17:40] <Bofu2U> that's what the final reboot is on the deploy
[17:40] <Bofu2U> it hits PXE, PXE tells it to boot off local disk
[17:40] <Free99> how do I watch what curtain is doing?
[17:40] <Bofu2U> through the IPMI
[17:41] <Bofu2U> so, the first is the initial boot and info gathering
[17:41] <Bofu2U> that won't touch the disk, just gets it into MAAS. Doesn't get RAM/CPUs, but will pull IPMI specs
[17:41] <Bofu2U> then you commission and it gathers more information such as the RAM, CPU, etc.
[17:41] <Bofu2U> then deploy, and it writes to disk, does all of that, and then reboots and PXE tells it to boot from that disk
[17:42] <Bofu2U> hopefully that makes sense - just going off of what I remember from the process overall
[17:42] <Free99> sure does, I've gotten to the deploy stage.. and that's it
[17:42] <Bofu2U> yeah
[17:42] <Bofu2U> just because I think it would be an interesting test
[17:42] <Bofu2U> have you tried hitting the bios and disabling the CD ROM?
[17:43] <Free99> I'll try that if this deploy fails
[17:44] <Free99> got back to the login screen, correctly named node-7
[17:45] <Free99> latest event is PXE request - curtin install
[17:45] <Free99> but no visible disk activity
[17:49] <Free99> hmm... I did set to install with LVM, maybe I ought to revert to flat disk layout..
[17:49] <Bofu2U> worth trying
[17:52] <Free99> Bofu2U, I'm going to recommission this one node.. should I allow SSH? retain network?
[17:52] <Bofu2U> I did that just so I could try to test it
[17:52] <Bofu2U> I think the login is ubuntu/ubuntu
[17:52] <Free99> the network is DHCP, with dhcp registering hostnames in dns automatically
[17:53] <Free99> I love linux
[17:53] <Free99> and bsd too
[17:54] <Free99> sometimes the software is really cranky though
[17:57] <mup> Bug #1556219 opened: maas enlistment of power8 found ipmi 1.5 should do ipmi 2.0 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556219>
[18:00] <Free99> weird, it just denies my logging in due to publickkey
[18:00] <Free99> doesn't even prompt for a pass :-/
[18:04] <Bofu2U> try from ipmi?
[18:06] <Free99> Bofu2U, I've never used SOL before. do I need to add a kernel line to redirect to com1?
[18:06] <Bofu2U> what kind of servers?
[18:06] <Free99> it's a dell with iDrac 5 I think
[18:06] <Free99> ipmi 2
[18:06] <Bofu2U> login to the web, and try to load ... usually called "virtual console"
[18:07] <Bofu2U> don't need actual SOL
[18:07] <Free99> think they added that webconsole thing in idrac 6
[18:07] <Bofu2U> ah crap
[18:10] <Free99> any way to increase verbosity on all this stuff?
[18:10] <Bofu2U> don't know :(
[18:10] <Bofu2U> sorry
[18:10] <Free99> ubuntu/ubuntu doesn't work as a login here
[18:19] <Free99> ah ha! with the key I added in the Maas dashboard, I have to login to the nodes with ubuntu@hostname and use the same key I added to my dashboard login
[18:20] <Bofu2U> ahhh ok
[18:23] <Free99> ok so check it: cloud-init-output.log says error encountered setting up postfix
[18:23] <Bofu2U> o.O
[18:26] <Free99> ok, what logs would help figure this out?
[18:26] <Free99> I've got em all
[18:32] <voidspace> roaksoax: so the version from that experimental ppa certainly behaves *differently*
[18:33] <voidspace> roaksoax: with that version the nodes don't enlist
[19:07] <Free99> why can't I set an FQDN?
[19:08] <Free99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15349884/ <-- my setup fails because of this
[19:09] <Free99> I think there's a bug here folks
[19:34] <Free99> can anyone please help with this cloud-init issue?
[19:48] <mup> Bug #1556258 opened: boot source keyring data is sometimes outputted as memoryview object <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556258>
[19:55] <Free99> dang it :[
[19:55] <Free99> I wish I could figure out why maas 1.9.7 is adding an extraneous period to my postfix file which borks the whole deployment
[22:55] <mpontillo> Free99: can you file a bug? I think it's maybe a postfix bug TBH; that is a valid and proper FQDN
[22:59] <mpontillo> See http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1034 section 3.1
[23:49] <roaksoax> voidspace: i have managed to enlist machines with the one on experimental, howeve,r I hit your issue


[06:30] <dee_> good morning
[06:30] <Madpilot> evenign
[06:31] <dee_> depens on were you live. :)
[06:31] <Madpilot> only 2130 here. not even properly dark.
[06:31] <dee_> is someone here responsible for the marketing mailing list?
[06:32] <dee_> sun is just rising behind the trees here. :)
[06:33] <dee_> hm, maybe I should rejoin later... do you know when most of the responsibles are awake?
[06:34] <Flannel> in the past few days, looks to be about 12-15 hours from now.
[06:34] <Madpilot> not sure, to be honest. Sending a message to the mailing list is probably a better way of reaching people
[06:34] <Flannel> but thats just when theyve spoken, not necessarily when theyve been active or not
[06:35] <dee_> Madpilot: THIS is the problem. I have send a mail there and just want to know if I hat to resend it. ^^
[06:36] <dee_> Flannel: okay, thanks. :)
[06:36] <dee_> hat = had
[06:36] <Madpilot> dee_, you're signed up for the list? Do you receive messages?
[06:38] <dee_> Madpilot: no I'm not signed up. I know (now) that I cannot send messages there. but it's still in the admin queue. so I was hoping that the list admin would forward it.
[06:38] <Madpilot> they might, when they get to it. Most of the Ubuntu lists block/filter non-subscribed emails
[06:38] <dee_> and because I do not want to spam if I send my message a second time there after signing up I want to ask before. :)
[06:39] <dee_> yes it's the same with our mailing lists on the server. But I haven't thought of it... ^^
[06:51] <dee_> so, I'm off... see you later
[06:01] <Lipe_> tsmithe: PING
[06:01] <tsmithe> Lipe_, pong
[06:01] <Lipe_> tsmithe: hi
[06:01] <tsmithe> hiya
[06:02] <Lipe_> I'm working on generating RSS feeds for ubuntustats, do you know a good python library to do that?
[06:02] <tsmithe> ooh generating rss feeds
[06:02] <tsmithe> i don't sorry
[06:02] <Lipe_> ok, thanks anyway.
[06:03] <tsmithe> Lipe_, "python-pyrss2gen - A Python interface for generating RSS 2.0 feeds"
[06:03] <tsmithe> maybe that's what you wanted?
[06:03] <tsmithe> (apt-cache search ftw :p)
[06:03] <Lipe_> yes... I saw that but being in the repos doesn't garantee that it's good...
[06:03] <tsmithe> indeed
[06:04] <Lipe_> I will keep asking peole... :)
[06:04] <tsmithe> hehe :)
[06:48] <poningru> ok guys new idea
[06:48] <poningru> the Ubuntu 100 website
[06:49] <poningru> http://www.venturecake.com/dont_feel_like_screwing_around_to_get_your_laptop_working_with_linux/
[06:49] <poningru> basically take whatever hardware is in the wiki and put it up in a pretty website
[06:49] <poningru> and tell people 'this hardware works 100% with ubuntu'
[07:01] <jenda> poningru: rox :)
[08:37] <dee> hello.
[08:45] <dee> ist the admin of the marketing-mailinglist here?
[08:45] <dee> or any reponsible person?
[08:45] <dee> +s
[08:50] <jenda> hola
[08:50] <jenda> I moderate it, dee
[08:53] <dee> jenda: hello.
[08:54] <dee> I have sent a message yesterday and was informed that it was blocked
[08:54] <jenda> ok, I'll have a look at it.
[08:54] <dee> so i want to know if you forward it anyway or do i have to resend it after singing in to the mailing list?
[08:54] <dee> h, signing...
[08:54] <dee> I do not want to sing...
[08:55] <jenda> damned, I wanted to talk to beuno :)
[08:56] <jenda> dee: if you resend it, you'll save me some work :)
[08:56] <dee> jenda: okay...
[08:56] <jenda> cool, thanks :)
[08:57] <dee> hm, is ubuntu-marketing-submissions open vor everyone? it's sounds so...
[08:58] <jenda> Yes, it should be.
[08:58] <dee> hm, so why not sending it there? :)
[08:59] <jenda> I don't know for sure, I haven't been watching much lately.
[08:59] <jenda> No idea :)
[08:59] <dee> okay, let's try out. :)
[09:00] <dee> bye
[10:41] <crimsun> someone please add June 29, 2007 at 11:00 UTC (MOTU meeting) to fridge
[10:41] <crimsun> (#ubuntu-meeting/Freenode as per usual; agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings )
[10:41] <crimsun> thanks in advance
[12:03] <BHSPitLappy> Why does the ubuntu.com tour of ubuntu show Dapper screenshots??
[12:05] <Flannel> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704tour
[12:06] <Flannel> Except, I don't think that's linked anywhere.  Because when they redesigned the site, they felt like making it impossible to navigate... but rounded.


[02:46] <babbageclunk> hpidcock, wallyworld: easy review to fix new intermittent test failure (oops)? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11055
[02:49] <babbageclunk> oh, when you get out of your meeting is fine
[02:55] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: you could also just do a SameContext check with the call names slice
[02:55] <wallyworld> *SameContent
[02:56] <wallyworld> i guess ther emight be other ones there you want to ignore?
[03:53] <thumper> wallyworld, hpidcock: wiring up the multiwatcher worker: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11056
[04:41] <hpidcock> wallyworld: no rush but would be good to get eyes on it https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11054
[04:41] <wallyworld> ok, soon, after meeting
[04:53] <wallyworld> hpidcock: lgtm, ty
[04:55] <hpidcock> thumper: just quickly testing locally, but the code looks good, one comment but it's not a showstopper
[04:56] <thumper> hpidcock: I'm doing the rename for you
[04:56] <hpidcock> 😃
[04:58] <thumper> hpidcock: is that a smily face?
[04:59] <hpidcock> I hope so
[04:59] <thumper> I see a rectangle
[04:59] <thumper> yay unicode
[04:59] <hpidcock> you need yourself a real font bloated with emoji
[05:01] <thumper> hpidcock: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11056/commits/3ad00c0a401dcb4e8ca497c9e260bf9b79459113
[05:02] <hpidcock> unicode smiley face here that thumper doesn't have
[05:03]  * thumper EODs
[05:03] <thumper> except for that really late call in four hours
[09:23] <manadart> stickupkid: Not too big: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11059
[09:39] <stickupkid> manadart, this PR looks like it broke windows, just trying to work out why https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/1bf87fbf14c637e24f800e7f605a719cce1f7e9a
[10:29] <manadart> stickupkid: CMR redirect to migrated model is now ready for review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11025
[11:42] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/version/pull/7
[11:48] <stickupkid> no jenkins job for version
[11:48] <stickupkid> :|
[15:32] <manadart> Small patch for intermittent test failure: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11060
[16:05] <manadart> Closed that one and targeted 2.7 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11061
[16:53] <skay> juju status hangs even after I've restarted the agent on machine-0. what else should I try before nuking everything
[16:54] <skay> and in a bigger context, I'm trying to figure out why one of the actions on my charm cannot import from charmhelpers. the dependency is in wheelhouse
[16:55] <skay> it was working a while back, but I recently rebuilt it with upgraded dependencies
[17:01] <rick_h> skay:  status shouldn't hang though? you're running it from the client and it's hanging waiting for input from a machine agent?
[17:03] <skay> rick_h: I don't know why it's hanging. I ran bash with lxc exec to get to the machine to restart its agent. I thought perhaps it was waiting on that
[17:03] <rick_h> skay:  can you run with --debug and see if there's any output?
[17:06] <skay> rick_h: doing so now. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tdDZrNykkh/ guessing it will timeout waiting connect to the API adress. so, not the agent.
[17:11] <skay> rick_h: I'm not sure what to check on my machine. I've checked for any juju services and only see the snaps https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tW6TjZDb4R/
[17:13] <stickupkid> hml, this is the fix for windows bootstrapping https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11062
[17:13] <stickupkid> hml, any chance of a CR?
[17:13] <hml> stickupkid:  sure
[17:14] <stickupkid> if we ever do a 2.7 dev release, it'll break there, so I'll have a look at back porting it
[17:15] <hml> stickupkid:  rgr,
[17:25]  * skay afks a bit
[17:27] <rick_h> skay:  sorry, watching the town hall. Yes that looks like the client cannot reach/connect to the controller
[17:27] <rick_h> skay:  so curious if you can ping/ssh to that machine/ip
[17:29] <skay> rick_h: yes. whoops. forgot about the th
[17:35] <skay> rick_h: ok, so it's weird. lxc list doesn't show a machine with that IP. anyway, I ssh'd in and restarted jujud and juju-db. status worked. it shows one machine down! let me check the log to see if the weirdness happened with the password
[17:43] <rick_h> skay:  :/
[17:45] <skay> rick_h: oh wait, it's not down. maybe I was looking at the wrong screen
[17:45] <rick_h> skay:  ok apologies but the whole thing is confusing to me at this point
[17:45] <skay> rick_h: no, it was down, but no longer. yeah, me too. sorry.
[17:45]  * rick_h tries to be helpful by just standing still lol
[17:45] <skay> if I managed to ever reproduce the down machine situation in a less confusing way I will ping back here
[17:46] <rick_h> definitely, always eager to find issues/get them addressed
[17:47] <skay> I am seeing this in the logs, I'm not sure what's up with that. but let me keep working since things are just confusing at this point. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RMnw4FwxSW/
[17:49] <rick_h> skay:  hmmm, that's failure for a controller to connect to mongodb and looks like it's trying locally
[17:49] <rick_h> skay:  might be worth checking syslog/mongodb logs to see if it's not happy
[17:49] <rick_h> if your db is unhappy state can be fishy
[17:52] <skay> I think it is unhappy https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g8BQhKCwz8/
[17:52] <skay> I'm going to afk for real a while now
[17:53] <rick_h> skay:  hmm yea that's going to be an issue and cause the controller to restart/not work
[20:05] <thumper> Here's a PR that was very satisfying: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11063
[21:10] <skay> back again from context switch
[21:10] <skay> I have an action that is failing because it cannot import charmhelpers. my action imports action_<foo> from hookenv.
[21:11] <skay> it worked about a year ago. has anything changed drasticly such that I need to rewrite my action? I am baffled
[21:11] <rick_h> skay:  I know in the last year we changed so it only pulls from the venv and not system packages by default any longer
[21:11] <skay> rick_h: ok, so I'm running debug-hooks and actually wondering where the venv is!
[21:12] <skay> I couldn't find it. I figured it must be getting invoked somehow?
[21:12] <skay> I want to verify that the packages I think I'm installing are actually installed (I am guessing 100% they are not)
[21:15] <skay> though wait, my reactive stuff is able to import charmhelpers. I am feeling pretty stupid
[21:17] <skay> do I have to change my action to activate the venv? ew?
[21:17] <rick_h> probably?
[21:17] <rick_h> since actions are in a different folder and not dispatched with the framework addons
[21:17] <rick_h> so you'd need to activate the venv/set your python path to the venv to share libaries/etc
[21:20] <skay> hmm. where is the venv so that I can do that?
[21:21] <skay> I don't know what path to add
[21:23] <skay> the docs for writing actions show an example in bash, so they get to use the command line tools
[21:27] <rick_h> skay:  you'll have to look into instance. on the phone atm, sudo updatedb && locate python | grep bin ?
[21:28] <skay> got it. thanks!
[22:46] <thumper> thanks wallyworld for the review
[22:51] <wallyworld> np


[00:43]  * humphreybc has just finished editing a bzr "howto" video
[00:44] <pleia2> humphreybc: have you seen ground control?
[00:44] <humphreybc> sure have
[00:44] <humphreybc> i'm helping martin out with it
[00:44] <pleia2> cool cool :)
[00:44] <humphreybc> i'm going to make a video of that soon
[00:45] <pleia2> excellent
[00:45] <humphreybc> i really need a proper microphone because my in built laptop one is crap
[00:56] <humphreybc> I think i'll go into town tomorrow and buy a proper microphone then I'll record a ground control demonstration
[01:20] <godbyk> Well, this is a bit vexing:
[01:20] <godbyk> To handle translations in all the languages we want, the best solution is to use XeLaTeX and the polyglossia package (successor to babel).
[01:21] <godbyk> Unfortunately, this requires a newer version of XeLaTeX than what Ubuntu currently ships with.
[01:21] <godbyk> I think what I'll do is design the .cls file to handle two case: 1. the standard English case which can be compiled with pdfLaTeX (as it is now), and 2. a version for all the translations that compiles with XeLaTeX.
[01:22] <godbyk> That way authors can continue to write the English text using the Ubuntu versions of pdfLaTeX, and people who want to compile the translations can jump through the extra hoops up installing the latest version of XeLaTeX.
[01:22] <godbyk> Thoughts?
[02:03] <humphreybc> Sounds like a good workaround
[02:07] <godbyk> Gah.. now I'm trying to merge the main branch and mine. (learning bzr on the fly)
[02:09] <humphreybc> heh
[02:09]  * humphreybc for anyone new to the project that doesn't know how to use bzr, point them at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2VLcBFqBE
[02:09] <humphreybc> That is, until I make a new video using Ground Control
[02:10] <humphreybc> (which will happen in the next day or so when I buy a proper microphone)
[02:16] <godbyk> I hope that merge didn't break anything.  Can you test it for me, humphreybc?
[02:16] <humphreybc> sure
[02:16] <godbyk> thanks
[02:22] <humphreybc> godbyk: it's making fine, you've changed contents to blue font?
[02:22] <godbyk> the hyperlinks are colored now, yeah.
[02:22] <godbyk> colors are apt to change when we setting on a color scheme.
[02:22] <humphreybc> cool beans
[05:15] <godbyk> Hey, koogee.
[05:15] <godbyk> Are you still having problems compiling the manual?
[05:15] <godbyk> If so, you might go to the pkgs/ dir (in the ubuntu-manual repository) and run the install-pkgs.sh script.
[05:15] <godbyk> That'll make sure you have all the required Ubuntu and LaTeX packages installed.
[05:16] <koogee> i've already run the script...all packages are installed
[05:16] <koogee> it doesn't compile
[05:18] <godbyk> koogee: Okay.  Can you run 'make clean', then edit the main.tex file, change the first line to \documentclass[debug]{ubuntu-manual}, save, and then run 'make' again?
[05:18] <godbyk> if it fails to compile, then give me the log file and I'll take another look.
[05:18] <koogee> sure...
[05:18] <godbyk> thanks
[05:22] <koogee> fails to compile, here's the log: http://pastebin.com/m9fcb714
[05:25] <godbyk> Looks like it's having problems with the Palatino font.
[05:25] <godbyk> Can you run "sudo apt-get install texlive-fonts-recommended" for me?
[05:26] <godbyk> If it says the package is already installed, then run: sudo apt-get --reinstall install texlive-fonts-recommended
[05:27] <koogee> installing the package...then run make clean, make again?
[05:28] <godbyk> koogee: yep
[05:33] <koogee> compiles! thanks a bunch, godbyk!
[05:45] <koogee> Oops...i did a bzr pull after the successful compile...and made some text changes and ran 'make' again...it collapsed again: http://pastebin.com/m7f419cd6
[05:53] <godbyk> koogee: ah, one sec.. there's another ubuntu package for that
[05:54] <godbyk> (I just added that stuff recently)
[05:54] <godbyk> koogee: sudo apt-get install texlive-xetex
[05:58] <koogee> I thought I had done something :) ...installing...
[05:59] <koogee> compiles successfully. Thank you again.
[05:59] <godbyk> koogee: nope, that's my fault. I've been working on getting the translated manuals to compile and haven't got it all cleaned up nicely yet.
[05:59] <godbyk> cool
[05:59] <godbyk> np
[06:00] <koogee> I'm going to commit some paragraphs...its my first commit...any pointers...stuff i should watch out for...? :)
[06:04] <godbyk> koogee: I would to a 'bzr pull' just before you 'bzr commit'.. just to make sure there aren't any conflicts.
[06:04] <godbyk> then after you've committed, you can run 'bzr push' to upload the changes to the rest of us.
[06:05] <godbyk> when you do a bzr push, it may say it doesn't know where to push it to, so the first time you'll have to say 'bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual' but after that, 'bzr push' should just work.
[06:05] <godbyk> if you have problems, feel free to holler.
[07:02] <IlyaHaykinson> koogee: just sent you an email; didn't mean to delay committing your code
[07:02] <IlyaHaykinson> er, not code -- section
[08:15] <godbyk> I think I've got a good start on the translation stuff.
[08:15] <godbyk> I can run 'make ubuntu-manual-<LANG>.pdf' and it'll compile a PDF in that language.
[08:16] <godbyk> (with about a dozen caveats)
[08:41] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil.    (Hope I didn't break anything in the process!)
[08:44] <thorwil> godbyk: hi. can you already make a list of fonts that *might* be used at least for the english version?
[08:44] <godbyk> For the English version, it's pretty much wide open.
[08:47] <thorwil> we definitively have to try Gentium
[08:48] <godbyk> thorwil: I was looking at Gentium for some of the translations, since it's supposed to support more languages, but the LaTeX language stuff didn't like it too much because it was just a TTF and not an OTF (so it couldn't see what scripts Gentium actually supported).
[08:49] <godbyk> thorwil: Actually it looks like it just didn't like Gentium with the Greek script.
[08:50] <godbyk> The Gentium TTF files claim to currently support Latin, Cyrillic, IPA, and maybe Vietnamese scripts.
[08:52] <thorwil> odd that OTF would help regarding language support, but that SIL would only offer TTF
[08:53] <godbyk> Yeah, they said that they'll be converting things to OTF and some other odd format sometime.
[08:53] <godbyk> I think it was only complaining about the combination of Gentium and Greek.
[08:54] <godbyk> (Since the Gentium TTFs don't claim to support Greek.)
[17:42] <IlyaHaykinson_> i remember that someone had signed up to do Chapter 2(around your desktop)
[17:42] <IlyaHaykinson_> but don't remember who :)  anyone else remember?
[18:22] <ring> hi ilya
[18:26] <IlyaHaykinson_> hi ring
[18:43] <ring> the meeting is on 2am local here in Dhaka
[18:43] <ring> what will be yours?
[18:44] <ring> what r u doing now?
[18:44] <ring> I am translating the manual in Bengali
[18:51] <IlyaHaykinson_> it's about time for me to go to work actually :)
[19:28] <wolter> hi all
[19:28] <ring> hi
[19:29] <ring> I am waiting for the meeting eagerly because it is 1:30AM now
[19:32] <wolter> ring, its tomorrow you know right?
[19:32] <wolter> i mean, we are missing 24 hours and 28 minutes
[19:35] <ring> Thanx for the notification
[19:36] <ring> Going to sleep bro
[19:36] <wolter> ok
[19:36] <ring> thanx wolter
[19:36] <wolter> no problem
[19:37] <ring> where r u from?
[19:37] <wolter> central america
[19:37] <wolter> you?
[19:37] <ring> me from Dhaka
[19:37] <wolter> oh, let me google that :)
[19:37] <wolter> is it india?
[19:37] <ring> what r u doing?
[19:38] <wolter> just woke up some time ago
[19:38] <wolter> was listening some good quality music
[19:38] <ring> no it's in Bangladesh
[19:38] <ring> It is the capital of BD
[19:38] <wolter> oh yeah, i just found out
[19:38] <wolter> i remember now, in high school i new that
[19:39] <ring> r u an IT Professional?
[19:39] <wolter> no
[19:40] <ring> then?
[19:40] <wolter> haha, i just graduated from school last year
[19:40] <ring> where r u living?
[19:41] <wolter> in central america
[19:41] <ring> graduation paper?
[19:42] <ring> city please
[19:43] <wolter> ok dude you're scaring me now
[19:43] <ring> why and how?
[19:43] <wolter> all these questions... its overwhelming
[19:43] <ring> sorry!
[19:44] <wolter> i'm thinking like next thing you'll as my coordinates and send me a missile or something
[19:44] <wolter> dont worry
[19:44] <ring> i just want to know about the place of your living
[19:45] <wolter> well, its tropical
[19:45] <ring> that's not possible
[19:45] <wolter> what? it is tropical
[19:46] <ring> because BD is against the Nuclear Weapons
[19:46] <wolter> oh
[19:47] <ring> what is your full name
[19:47] <wolter> anyway, it was just an expression
[19:47] <wolter> that's not helping you know...
[19:47] <wolter> your pulling my leg. i will reply no mor
[19:47] <wolter> e
[19:49] <ring> if u r annoyed by my questions then I'm sorry
[19:50] <ring> I have just the curiosity about you and your locality
[19:51] <ring> but i could be my fault not to present my self in the right formation
[19:51] <ring> sorry if u r bored from me
[19:51] <ring> bye.
[19:52] <ring> hope to see u in meeting next day
[19:52] <ring> thanx again
[19:52] <thorwil> 0.o
[19:54] <wolter> yeah, thats what i say hah
[19:56] <wolter> anyway, afk
[20:25] <godbyk> Apparently I just missed the interrogation. :-)
[20:27] <c7p> hello everyone
[20:27] <c7p> Godbyk are you available?
[20:27] <godbyk> c7p: Just taking off for lunch.  I'll be back after a bit.
[20:28] <godbyk> c7p: Feel free to leave messages or email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you have questions I can help with, though.
[20:28] <godbyk> :-)
[20:29] <dutchie> godbyk: Sveikas
[20:29] <dutchie> (Lithuanian for hello)
[20:32] <c7p> well i've received a message "[Ubuntu-manual] Compiling translated PDFs" and i'm interested in compiling my language's pdf. When i type
[20:33] <c7p>  sudo apt-get remove texlive-* i get E: Couldn't find package texlive*, any idea?
[20:34] <dutchie> you probably didn't have it installed to start with
[20:34] <dutchie> should be able to just carry on
[20:35] <c7p> actually the output is http://pastebin.com/m1ca776bd
[20:38] <dutchie> try using aptitude instead of apt-get
[20:40] <c7p> worked for me. From what i see no packages removed so i had none installed ... thank you :)
[20:41] <dutchie> np
[20:41] <dutchie> glad to help
[20:50] <c7p> i'm running the installation script and it says somewhere, Disk space required: 1708 MB. Is this true oO ...? or a bug? I have only 90 mb free space that's why im asking. I have to mention that the tar is only 1.6 mb.
[20:51] <dutchie> that is a hell of a lot, ask godbyk if he's sure it's that big
[20:52] <dutchie> (when he's back from lunch)
[20:52] <c7p> ok
[21:56] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[21:58] <godbyk> c7p: Yeah, that's what's required for the full installation of TeX Live 2009 -- it's pretty big.  When I installed it last night, it said it needed 2 GB of space.
[21:58] <godbyk> c7p: You can probably select on the packages required to compile the ubuntu manual, but you may have to add packages later if we require more as time goes on.
[21:59] <godbyk> I've always just installed the full set of packages so I don't have to worry about anything being missing.
[22:01] <c7p> there are plenty of packages. Do you have any idea which are the important packages ?
[22:01] <godbyk> c7p: When you run the install script, you can press "S" to select a different scheme.
[22:01] <godbyk> by default, the 'full scheme' is selected, which means everything gets installed.
[22:02] <godbyk> you can change this to basic or medium.
[22:03] <c7p> i think medium is ok
[22:03] <godbyk> okay.
[22:03] <godbyk> after you select media, go into the collections menu (C)
[22:03] <c7p> thank you
[22:04] <godbyk> make sure that the XeTeX packages are installed (C)
[22:04] <godbyk> then under the languages menu (L), make sure that your language is installed.
[22:04] <godbyk> (you can probably save quite a bit of space by not installing the documentation for all the packages)
[22:05] <godbyk> c7p: if you run into problems compiling the document, give me a holler.. we may have to select some extra packages to install individually if they're not included in the medium collection.
[22:09] <c7p> i have a problem with the <D>, directories
[22:10] <c7p> it's ok now
[22:10] <godbyk> where are you trying to install the files?  /usr/local/texlive/2009/?  if so, you'll need to run the install script under sudo.
[22:10] <godbyk> ok
[22:11] <c7p> i'm downloading the packages
[22:11] <godbyk> cool.
[22:11] <godbyk> how much space are they going to take and which collection did you go with?
[22:12] <c7p> 635 without the english documentation, 725 with it ...
[22:13] <godbyk> gotcha.
[22:13] <godbyk> TeX itself is very small, but when you start adding in all the packages, it's huge.
[22:14] <c7p> yeah HUGE
[22:14] <dutchie> not just \huge, \Huge :)
[22:14] <godbyk> dutchie: lol
[22:14] <c7p> lol
[22:21] <godbyk> dutchie: Greek: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-el.pdf
[22:21] <dutchie> sweet
[22:22] <c7p> who compiled it :P?
[22:22] <godbyk> I did.
[22:23] <godbyk> (I didn't translate any of it, I just compiled it.)
[22:23] <c7p> coom
[22:24] <c7p> cool*
[22:25] <c7p> the funny part of it is that i am trying to install texlive to compile the greek translated pdf xD
[22:26] <godbyk> c7p: Ah, cool.
[22:26] <godbyk> c7p: Are you doing the Greek translation?  If so, I may have some questions for ya.
[22:26] <godbyk> (There are some options with the TeX Greek stuff and I want to make sure we're using the right ones.)
[22:27] <c7p> how can i help ?
[22:29] <godbyk> Here are the options I've got:
[22:29] <godbyk> 1. variant: monotonic, polytonic, or ancient?
[22:29] <godbyk> 2. numerals: greek or arabic?
[22:29] <dutchie> godbyk: I doubt ancient ;)
[22:29] <godbyk> 3. use the acrophonic numbering system or no?
[22:30] <godbyk> dutchie: Dude, there's actually an ancient Greek translation for our manual that someone started.
[22:30] <c7p> monotonic
[22:30] <godbyk> Along with Latin and Esperanto.
[22:30] <dutchie> godbyk: wow
[22:30] <godbyk> No Klingon yet, though. :)
[22:30] <c7p> xD
[22:31] <godbyk> (I'm not sure what the ancient Greeks want with our manual either, but I'm impressed nonetheless.)
[22:31] <c7p> yeah and i think it is 0.1% translated
[22:32] <dutchie> godbyk: \ifxetex is breaking my default karmic install
[22:32] <godbyk> Yeah, I think most of the translations are just getting started.  Since the source language is still being updated all the time, it's hard to justify spending time translating something that'll change in a couple days.
[22:32] <c7p> godbyk: don't you know it ...? they want to install ubuntu on their antikythera mechanism (kind of computer) xD
[22:33] <godbyk> dutchie: Install the texlive-xetex package and that should fix it.
[22:33] <dutchie> godbyk: cheers
[22:33] <godbyk> At one point I trued to make that optional, but, well, it's just not anymore. :)
[22:33] <godbyk> c7p: lol.. well, if anything would, I guess linux would run on it.  ;-)
[22:36] <c7p> godbyk: linux runs everywhere ... even refrigerators run on linux
[22:38] <c7p> installation complete
[22:38] <godbyk> c7p: Do you want to use Greek numerals or Arabic numerals for numbered lists and chapter numbers?
[22:39] <c7p> greek numerals -> A, B, Γ etc ?
[22:39] <godbyk> c7p: I guess.
[22:40] <godbyk> \greeknumeral{1863} yields ͵αωξγʹ
[22:40] <c7p> hm
[22:40] <godbyk> So is ͵αωξγʹ preferred to '1863'?
[22:41] <c7p> the version that you compiled is ok
[22:41] <godbyk> ok
[22:42] <c7p> yeah the numerals are ok, good job
[22:44] <godbyk> Btw, when I compiled the Greek manual, I got a few errors (something to do with referencing Appendix A), but if you press Enter a few times, it'll go past them and generate a PDF.
[22:44] <godbyk> I'm looking into the problem now.
[22:45] <c7p> actually if you open the pdf, on the 3rd page there are a few errors
[22:46] <c7p> on the top of the screen on the right side there are
[22:47] <c7p> iv ,iv , iv, iv .. v , vi
[22:48] <c7p> no, there are also on the english manual, so i guess it's ok
[22:48] <godbyk> c7p: Those are Roman numerals.  The introductory material in English books usually has its pages numbered with Roman numerals.  Then the main part of the book has pages numbered with Arabic numerals.
[22:49] <godbyk> Do Greeks change the numbering like that in their books?
[22:49] <godbyk> If you can show me how the Greeks do it, I can try to have our manual do the same.
[22:49] <c7p> yeah it's common
[22:54] <c7p> you can use Arabic numerals for numbering pages, paragraphs (e.g Installation) , Roman numerals for chapters (e.g Advanced Topics). The numerals as they are in the English version are can be used in the Greek version too. no big deal
[22:55] <godbyk> c7p: cool, thanks for the info.
[22:56] <godbyk> I'd like to have the manual be typeset as properly as possible for each individual language.
[22:56] <godbyk> Unfortunately, I only speak English, so I'll have to rely on the translators to help me out with some of the details of their language, culture, and tradition.
[22:56] <c7p> godbyk: glad to help you :)
[22:57] <c7p> sure, you can mail them
[22:57] <godbyk> c7p: Has the TeX Live stuff finished installing? Have you tried to compile the Greek translation?
[22:58] <c7p> no i haven't tried
[22:59] <c7p> and a silly question. where is ubuntu-manual/pkgs/ directory ?
[23:01] <dutchie> you can do "bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual" to download
[23:05] <c7p> bzr: ERROR: The user name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not registered on Launchpad.
[23:05] <c7p> now what ?
[23:06] <godbyk> c7p: Do you have a launchpad account?  If not, you'll need to create one first: launchpad.net
[23:06] <c7p> of course i have
[23:09] <c7p> guys i g2g, thank you both
[23:10] <godbyk> c7p: np. thanks for your help!
[23:10] <c7p> np :) keep up the good work ;)


[17:16] <BrianHechinger[m> Hmm, did an update and 5.15.0-33-lowlatency panics for me.
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> BrianHechinger[m: No issues here, you might have to do a "sudo update-initramfs -u -k 5.15.0-33-lowlatency" and try booting it again.
[17:40] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, did that, we'll see what happens next reboot.
[18:33] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerks: Interesting observation. It seems ffado isn't consistent during the instantiation phase. Pre-reboot saffire was port0 and AF4 was port1. Post-reboot AF4 was port0 and saffire was port1. This is a non-issue for me as I just set the VM to start at boot so there will only ever be the saffire visible to linux. This is probably a non-issue for most people as they aren't like to have more than one firewire audio device. That
[18:33] <BrianHechinger[m> doesn't mean it doesn't annoy me though.


[03:39] <Phil-n> Just a test before tomorrow's noon meeting.
[10:40] <belkinsa> Keep in mind it's in #ubuntu-meeting.
[10:40] <belkinsa> Not in here.
[16:00] <shirgall> It's kinda sad, http://news.dice.com/2014/10/09/5-programming-languages-marked-for-death/?icid=ON_DN_UP_JS_AV_OG_RA_1 says that "perl" is marked for death. I did a lot of Perl over the years.
[16:01] <ObrienDave> they said that about COBOL and FORTRAN 30 years ago LOL
[16:04] <wxl> thanks for the reminder belkinsa
[16:04] <wxl> i hope as many of you can make it to the meeting as possible
[16:04] <wxl> it's too bad c_smith can't make it
[16:07] <shirgall> Yeah, I had to learn COBOL and FORTRAN when I got my degree, but I've not used them much.
[16:08] <shirgall> To be fair, the cool language at the time was Pascal, but I focused on C. ;)
[16:08] <ObrienDave> I remember pascal
[16:08] <shirgall> For what it's Wirth. ;)
[16:09] <shirgall> The related Dice article on what's cool now has lots of languages I don't use... http://news.dice.com/2014/07/29/5-programming-languages-youll-need-next-year-beyond/?icid=ON_DN_UP_JS_AV_OG_RA_3
[19:49] <wxl> hey everyone
[19:49] <wxl> 10 minute warning for our re-verification meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:50] <polson8> should we join that channel yet or wait closer to the time?
[19:50] <wxl> polson8: you can join now
[19:50] <wxl> i'm idling there and have been for about the past hour XD
[19:50] <belkinsa> You can do it now, there is no meetings going on now
[19:50]  * belkinsa has been ilding for 2 hours
[19:50] <polson8> cool, thanks. I was sure if there might be a prior meeting on that channel :)
[19:51] <belkinsa> Naw, it's rare that there is a meeting before a meeting
[19:51] <belkinsa> It is all here: http://fridge.ubuntu.com//calendars/
[19:52] <polson8> awesome. last place I worked, the conference rooms were often booked solid. Of course, that was in person, not IRC...
[19:53] <belkinsa> It's different on IRC, indeed.  Many just idle in channels.
[19:53] <belkinsa> It's a differnt world in Open Source and online communities
[19:56] <polson8> Nice. Too bad most of us have to work in the other environment to make a living.
[19:57] <belkinsa> Yeah, but still voluteering some where is a good thing
[19:57] <shirgall> A lot more people in #ubuntu-meeting than I expected. Quite a party.
[19:58] <belkinsa> Keep in mind there is more ilders than active folks for the meeting
[19:58] <polson8> I figure it's the least I can do given I've been using linux-based OS's so long I can't remember what year I started. Plus, it's turned out to be enjoyable so far.
[19:58] <polson8> Although I haven't really done much yet, but got to start by learning how this all works. :)
[19:58] <belkinsa> Same here, this is my second year of doing community work and my 5th year of using Linux
[19:59] <polson8> oh. I started using linux in 1996, '97 or '98, but haven't figured out how to determine which it was
[20:08] <shirgall> For me back then it was Slackware
[20:09] <polson8> I'm not sure I ever tried that one. Had a few arguments with Red Hat Linux though.
[20:10] <shirgall> I was coming from a background of SVR2 and SVR3, it was the most familiar for me at the time.
[20:11] <polson8> never used those. I started with Linux because it didn't freeze and crash like windows did (for me anyway) back then.
[20:11] <jvlb> While we have a moment, let me mention that the Free Software Foundation is promoting their Giving Guide, a guide that helps consumers pick Christmas gifts that promote software freedom. You can learn more at https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/giving-guide-giveaway-primer
[20:11] <shirgall> I did because I hated paying big bucks for a C compiler. ;)
[20:12] <wxl> super cool, jvlb !!!!
[20:12] <shirgall> Before Slackware, I was playing with AIX. ;)
[20:12] <shirgall> And Xenix
[20:12] <belkinsa> Cool jvlb.
[20:13] <polson8> I actually have a box somewhere with Xenix (for intel 386 if I recall correctly) on 3.5" disks. never figured out how to do much with it...
[20:16] <jvlb> Well, if we're traipsing down memory lane, how about CP/M?
[20:16] <polson8> I've heard of it :)
[20:17] <wxl> grew up on it
[20:17]  * wxl 's first computer was a C=128
[20:18] <belkinsa> wxl, say it.
[20:18] <belkinsa> ;)
[20:18] <wxl> belkinsa: hands off my cloak? :)
[20:18] <belkinsa> My family's first computer was a Windows 3.1
[20:18] <belkinsa> No, wrong channel.  The news.
[20:18] <jvlb> CP/M was the first popular OS for microcomputers. It ran on Intel 8080s and 8085s as well as Zilog Z80s. That was in the late '70s.
[20:19] <wxl> in case you all werent in #ubuntu-meeting the reverification is going to happen via a private bug report that the loco council will use
[20:19] <wxl> if there are any comments or concerns, please send them to me and i'll get them on there
[20:19] <wxl> i'm not 100% sure why they have to be private but c'est la vie
[20:19] <jvlb> There was a later variant that ran on the 8086 architecture, called CP/M 86, which competed with MS DOS.
[20:19] <belkinsa> And the voting will be done via LC's mailing-list
[20:20] <wxl> yeppers
[20:20] <wxl> outside of the commodore, i cut my teeth on remote freebsd shells a la the cleveland freenet
[20:22] <shirgall> I did CP/M on a Z80 card in a a Apple ][ ;)
[20:23] <shirgall> wxl: I don't have any comments or concerns, it seemed pretty routine for a re-up
[20:23] <wxl> yep
[20:23] <wxl> that's what i thought too
[20:23] <jvlb> A Z80 was a screamer compared to the Mostek 6502.
[20:25] <shirgall> 4.77MHz should be enough for anybody... but I did want to move up to having DIV and MUL in assembly.
[20:25] <jvlb> Hey, real geeks only code in binary.
[20:26] <shirgall> I did VAX assembly, does that count? ;)
[20:26] <wxl> real geeks punch cards
[20:26] <jvlb> Or tapes.
[20:26] <wxl> real geeks weave
[20:26] <jvlb> Paper tapes, that is.
[20:26] <shirgall> Real geeks remember using a sharpie to mark a deck from corner to corner to make it easier to put back in order after an operator dropped the deck
[20:26] <wxl> hahahah
[20:27] <shirgall> And, yeah, I remember 1600 bits per inch with half inch gaps between blocks
[20:27] <shirgall> You all are making me feel old.
[20:28] <shirgall> But this year does mark 30 years in IT for me.
[20:28] <wxl> nice
[20:28] <shirgall> (back in July)
[20:29] <jvlb> @shirgall: It should make you feel better, then, to know I started in '71 on a Telex terminal, with Fortran IV.
[20:29] <meetingology> jvlb: Error: "shirgall:" is not a valid command.
[20:29] <wxl> sudo make-me-coffee
[20:30] <shirgall> jvlb: I meant getting paid for it, I had a Decwriter and a DEC 10 to learn BASIC and TECO back in the 70s (my Dad worked at University of Wyoming)
[20:30] <shirgall> Anyway...
[20:31] <jvlb> Okay, I started getting paid for it in '77. If you call what I got "getting paid".
[20:33] <shirgall> I know the feeling. ;)
[20:34] <jvlb> Well, I gotta bug out. Catch y'all later.
[22:52] <shirgall> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2014/11/18/regular-loco-council-meeting-for-november-2014/


[13:39] <djo_> salut
[13:40] <djo_> anyone...???
[14:02] <BoFFire_> Bonjour chers amis ubunteros tunisiens. We need a working public proxy to pass through from algeria
[14:03] <BoFFire_> La connexion est catastrophique ici dans le DZ.
[14:17] <nofood> hello :D
[19:34] <hamma> Hello
[19:37] <elacheche> Hey hamma faggousa
[19:37] <elacheche> Yo Na3iL !
[19:37] <hamma> I prefer a carrot
[19:37] <hamma> Hello Faggousa
[19:38] <elacheche> behave hamma.. let's see what is it about :)
[19:39] <hamma> alright, so Anis, I submitted a request to join ubuntu-tn on launchpad
[19:39] <hamma> not yet answered
[19:40] <elacheche> hamma: what's your LP nickname?
[19:40] <hamma> hamma
[19:40] <hamma> :p
[19:41] <hamma> Mohamed Armaoui
[19:41] <elacheche> Let me check
[19:42] <hamma> béhi
[19:44] <elacheche> My bad hamma, I thought that the email I got is about the Ubuntu Membership group, so I marked it as read without reading it..
[19:44] <elacheche> I get too many notifications from LP..
[19:44] <elacheche> Sorry hamma
[19:44] <hamma> same here
[19:44] <hamma> no need to apologize
[19:44] <hamma> drop that protocol stuff
[19:45] <elacheche> It's not a "protocol" it's something that anyone should do when he do something wrong :)
[19:46] <hamma> You didn't do something wrong, well, not practically  :p so ... what's new ?
[19:56] <faggousa> Looking for the best way to set up a free proxy
[19:57] <crack3r> lol faggousa, drole comme pseudo :)
[19:57] <faggousa> Yes thx


[04:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL23af7bdeebf5: Update taskmanager-config] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL23af7bdeebf5
[22:22] <Kitetoto> Hello everybody, I'm a french student in ingeneering and I would want to improve my developpement skills with concrete projects like this one... I studied C, C++, Python and other languages but I don't know where to start to try help you in this project...


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[09:08] <darkxst> I am planning to switch back to ubuntu plymouth theme and drop some of the older ubuntu-gnome overrides to make it more vanilla
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[18:29] <jatt> http://dpaste.com/13WAWM3
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[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-grape-path-helpers (focal-proposed/primary) [1.3.0-1]
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[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-image-processing (focal-proposed/primary) [1.10.3-1]
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-mini-histogram (focal-proposed/primary) [0.1.3-2]
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-linked-list (focal-proposed/primary) [0.0.14-1]
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-minitest-power-assert (focal-proposed/primary) [0.3.1-2]
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-rspec-temp-dir (focal-proposed/primary) [1.1.0-1]
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-stackprof (focal-proposed/primary) [0.2.15-2]
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-unicode-plot (focal-proposed/primary) [0.0.4-1]
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sass-spec (focal-proposed/universe) [3.5.4-2ubuntu1 => 3.6.3-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[19:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sass-spec [source] (focal-proposed) [3.6.3-1ubuntu1]
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[19:29] <doko> update_excuses isn't updated
[19:50] <RikMills> doko: britney runs have errors
[19:52] <RikMills> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CS8YfDCXYX/
[20:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openmsx (focal-proposed/universe) [0.15.0-2ubuntu1 => 0.15.0-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[20:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openmsx [source] (focal-proposed) [0.15.0-2ubuntu2]
[21:04] <RikMills> vorlon: britney runs are crashing
[22:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-guide (focal-proposed/universe) [20.04.1-0ubuntu1 => 20.04.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)
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[23:18] <fo0bar> hey release-team, at this point would a post-BF FFe package update for nano from 4.8-1 to 4.9.1-1 be preferable to (multiple) carried targeted patches?  4.9.1 fixes more than one crash present in 4.8 (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/3ZRsJFGjGH/ , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/1866820)
[23:19] <fo0bar> and, admittedly, a paste problem with an obscure terminal emulator :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nano/+bug/1870850
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-menu (focal-proposed/universe) [20.04.2-0ubuntu1 => 20.04.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)


[08:41] <cro_> yo
[09:45] <dmtarmey> Hello
[09:45] <dmtarmey> I need help iv corrupted my ubuntu os and need help pls ?
[10:46] <guiverc> dmtarmey, what you have done, provide details & what release/flavor of ubuntu?
[10:56] <dmtarmey> I installed Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then updated to 20.10 then i tried to add more desktops and then the hole system started to become un stable
[10:57] <dmtarmey> The following packages will be REMOVED
[10:57] <dmtarmey>   edubuntu-artwork
[10:57] <dmtarmey> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 1 to remove and 5 not to upgrade.
[10:57] <dmtarmey> 1 not fully installed or removed.
[10:57] <dmtarmey> After this operation, 1,489 kB disk space will be freed.
[10:57] <dmtarmey> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
[10:57] <dmtarmey> (Reading database ... 400874 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:58] <guiverc> !pastebinit
[10:59] <guiverc> what desktops were added?
[11:05] <dmtarmey> mate - gnome - budie and others
[11:06] <guiverc> dmtarmey, so ask in #ubuntu, this is Lubuntu support.   In my experience once you've added 3 desktops, the 4th will bring problems...
[14:07] <wastl[m]> Hm i have 4 virtual desktops on my lubuntu lap and they work fine. I just consider adding some compiz stuff xD
[14:08] <wastl[m]> I do love that compiz rotating 3d cube desktop switcher
[14:44] <Pepe98> Hello. Where I can download lubuntu with Lxde?
 https://lubuntu.me/downloads/  scroll down ver 18.04.5 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Pepe98> Hello. Where I can download lubuntu with Lxde?)
[14:49] <Pepe98> Thank you!!!
 And next month you want to download a supported Lubuntu?
[14:50] <Pepe98> I want an Lxde for my very old laptop of 1 GB of ram and a atom of 1.6 Ghz
[14:51] <Pepe98> So I went with lxqt but it gets warm and slow. So i'm going to try with Lxde
[14:52] <Pepe98> I went*
 You should install directly Debian with LXDE instead of Lubuntu 18.04, which reaches its end of life next month.
 what
[15:04] <kc2bez[m]> Lubuntu 18.04 is end of support from the Lubuntu team next month. Is that what your question is about?
 yes.
[15:05] <kc2bez[m]> LTS releases are only supported for 3 years by the flavors.
[15:25] <fsociety[00]dat> hi all, i know lubuntu uses calamares installer so i want to know it uses ubuntu style layout ( @ and @home ) when choosing btrfs?
 ^ this is my Q. from irc channel. any answer? ^
 obaaa
 türk
 eng. please :)
 xd
 ?
 what question is yours? (re @cemunal: ^ this is my Q. from irc channel. any answer? ^)
 the BTRFS one?
 I don't think Lubuntu officially supports BTRFS, so a BTRFS setup would require you to manually set up your partition schemes, etc.