[00:46] <ScottK> Mamarok: I've commented on that one too.
[01:11] <afiestas> yop ! already in uds hotel !
[01:11] <afiestas> rbelem Riddell around?
[01:26] <rbelem> afiestas, yup! at second floor
[01:46] <Darkwing> rbelem, ill be up there in a sec.
[01:51] <rbelem> DarkwingUDS, did you find Riddell?
[03:09] <afiestas> DarkwingUDS: Riddell rbelem around?
[03:09] <DarkwingUDS> afiestas: ping
[03:09] <DarkwingUDS> I'm in my room. Bar in like 30
[03:10] <afiestas> DarkwingUDS: for dinner?
[03:10] <afiestas> I'm suuuper hungry
[03:10] <DarkwingUDS> afiestas: I don't know yet.
[03:10] <DarkwingUDS> lol rbelem was down there
[03:12] <ScottK> And he was awake?
[03:12] <DarkwingUDS> ScottK: LOL Yeah. Riddell looked like he was half asleep.
[03:24] <rbelem> ScottK, afiestas speaking here
[03:24] <rbelem> I went down and I found rbelem pulling a rodrigo in the bar xD
[03:24] <rbelem> rodrigo style !
[03:25] <ScottK> Nice.
[03:25] <ScottK> I was quite surprised when someone intimated he was awake.
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> ^lol
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> hope you guys have fun, wish I could be there
[04:55] <Tm_T> uh, is it planned that installing kubuntu-active, I cannot get normal plasma-desktop anymore?
[08:03] <allee> ownclouds sync client has problem with qt ssl (only) in ubuntu 12.04 specific: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/owncloud/2012-May/003115.html    Would be nice if this wanna-be kailie-server part would work ;)
[10:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:41] <apol> Riddell:  I'm thinking of making some parts of muon configurable by the distribution/packagers, do you have any idea what way would be the best?
[14:41] <apol> is there any application doing something similar?
[15:30] <agateau> apol: Riddell is in Oakland, probably sleeping right now :)
[15:52] <Riddell> apol: depends what sort of configuration
[15:53] <Riddell> apol: but you could use cmake compile flags or allow things to be changed in kconfig settings
[15:56] <DarkwingUDS> riddell: Where you at?
[15:57] <Ezim> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-pangolin.html
[15:57] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: infront of the left screen
[16:10] <Ezim> what do you guys/girls say about the review?
[16:15] <apol> Riddell: well, I was thinking of a file in /etc maybe? It would be used to provide some distribution-depenent URL's
[16:15] <apol> like for the "featured apps", to know which ones to use
[16:15] <apol> or what ratings server to use
[16:15] <Riddell> Ezim: shrug, seems not inaccurate, there are obvious QA problems which I think is down to me being ill and distracted by canonical dropping kubuntu support
[16:16] <Riddell> apol: easier for us and I think most distros and easier to code if you just read the values from kconfig
[16:16] <Riddell> then we just add a file into kubuntu-default-settings to set the values
[16:17] <apol> Riddell: ok, noted
[16:17] <apol> Riddell: then kconfig it is :)
[16:18] <Ezim> Riddell, I hope you are better now.
[16:18] <Riddell> apol: but make sure it's well documented so we know what to set
[16:18] <Ezim> Riddell, now with blue system I hope the future for kubuntu is good?
[16:19] <Riddell> Ezim: dunno ask again tomorrow
[16:21]  * shadeslayer looks at specs
[16:21] <shadeslayer> hallo
[16:21] <Ezim> Riddell, do you mean your health or blue system?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> wendar: are you at UDS? :D
[16:33] <apol> Riddell: do you know some project that's using KConfig for customization properly? I'd like to see how to do it well
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apol: Telepathy KDE
[16:43] <shadeslayer> We use it to store Custom presence strings
[16:44] <apol> shadeslayer: what repository? file?
[16:44] <bulldog98> Riddell: do I have to install something for remote uds participation?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> give me a sec
[16:45] <shadeslayer> apol: kde:ktp-contact-list
[16:46] <apol> thx
[16:46] <shadeslayer> file is contact-list-widget.cpp
[16:47] <apol> :)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> there's also presence-model.cpp
[17:19] <bulldog98> rbelem: how much time till the active trac?
[17:23] <nixternal> hrmm, is someone here calling my cell about ubuntu? just got a phone call & couldn't understand anythingo ther than ubuntu
[17:23] <nixternal> it was from ScottK's part of the woods
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ubuntu stalks
[17:24] <nixternal> i see a 301 area code on my phone, i definitely don't answer it, unless it is my daughter's number :)
[17:24] <yofel_> bulldog98: 1½h from what I see http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-07/
[17:26] <yofel> (assuming I'm using the right time zone)
[17:38] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah that’s what now my ical tell’s me after I reloaded it from the uds server
[17:40] <BluesKaj> any idea how t prevent my external drive from showing it's UUID string of numbers and leters instead of it's label under it's icon on the desktop?
[18:24] <Riddell> bulldog98: no just listen to the streams http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl
[18:24] <bulldog98> ok
[18:25] <Riddell> bulldog98: and work out the irc channel for the room
[18:25] <Riddell> to you can give feedback
[18:25] <bulldog98> hm the quantal future is on an bad place for me I’ll be playing D&D tomorrow at that time
[18:30] <Ezim> Riddell, are you going to have meeting with blue system people tomorrow?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hah! Someone using libqcalparser on a N9
[19:08] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:08] <shadeslayer> I just got a bug report :P
[19:10] <BluesKaj> so do I dare try 4.8.3 ...ok you confess , howmany are actually using it ?
[19:10] <Tm_T> all of us?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> you guys confess , rather
[19:11] <Ezim> BluesKaj, I am still using 11.10 with kubuntu-backports (4.8.2)
[19:12] <BluesKaj> Ezim, I think you're wide :)
[19:12] <BluesKaj> err wise ..sorry :)
[19:12] <Ezim> BluesKaj, :) yes I am. I will upgrade when 12.04.1 will release :P
[19:15]  * bulldog98 is thinking about switching to quantal right now :-) Ezim, BluesKaj :P
[19:15] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is ok with 4.8.2 , it's 4.8.3 that worries me
[19:16]  * bulldog98 had no problems (ok I packaged some of the stuff, but …)
[19:16] <jovin> 4.8.3 works fine here
[19:17] <BluesKaj> quantal has to wait til the repos/packages are ready
[19:17] <bulldog98> BluesKaj: repros are up as far as I know
[19:17] <Ezim> bulldog98, :P I have only laptop.
[19:17] <Ezim> and kubuntu is my only OS
[19:17] <Ezim> so it needs to be solid
[19:18] <bulldog98> Ezim: I’m studiing and I had the alpha on all of my pc’s, so where is the point :P
[19:18] <Ezim> bulldog98, I am also studying. but I am not cool like you are. :P
[19:18]  * bulldog98 had it always booting and the gui was also always there, so there were no real problems
[19:19] <bulldog98> Ezim: :)
[19:19] <swecarp> im running the 4.8.3 and havent had anny trubbel
[19:20] <Ezim> but then again kde have mature. so things can be boring/stable. thats good.:)
[19:21] <BluesKaj> swecarp,well, X broke when I tried it ...it could be coincidence since kde shouldn't have affected my Xserver/nvidia driver ..but it was badly broken nonetheless
[19:23] <BluesKaj> 162 to be upgraded ?
[19:25] <bulldog98> why do we switch around our slots for uds Riddell? I’ve come home extra because we had the slot now
[19:32] <BluesKaj> this HDD is my test drive, so I may upggrade to quantal soon , but I'll wait til this kde point release is setup
[20:08] <Riddell> bulldog98: sorry
[20:08] <bulldog98> hm now I have to sleep a round and then get up again :)
[20:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: I can't control the scheduling this time unfortunately and it means whoever does (I think it's automatic) gives us clashing sessions
[20:09] <shadeslayer> does anyone here have a N9?
[20:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: so we moved 2 sessions already to not clash with the qt sessions
[20:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rbelem does
[20:10] <shadeslayer> rbelem: pingly
[20:10] <shadeslayer> rbelem: can you test our UDS app and check if the timezones match up?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> I recieved a bug report about time zone's getting screwed up ( Seems to be working just fine with UTC +0 )
[20:18] <BluesKaj> ok , 4.8.3 working ok so far
[20:20] <Ezim> BluesKaj, so it worked this time?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> yup , so far , Ezim :)
[20:23] <Ezim> BluesKaj, your day saved? :)
[20:23] <BluesKaj> anyway this is my test HDD , so if stuff breaks my other install on the main HDD is unaffected
[20:25] <BluesKaj> it's an old IDE drive I installed in this pc yesterday
[21:16]  * Ezim going to bed. take care dear kubuntu-users.
[22:49] <rbelem> shadeslayer, yup :-)
[23:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hi
[23:25] <Riddell> about?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yep
[23:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can you join our session?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:26] <Riddell> #ubuntu-uds-room-201
[23:27] <rbelem> #ubuntu-uds-room-201
[23:35] <Riddell> Blizzz: about?
[23:44] <Riddell> sreich: about?
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> LightDM is awesome
[23:46] <Riddell> ScottK: about?
[23:48] <Riddell> dantti|2: about?
[23:49] <DarkwingUDS> JontheEchidna: I've been using it since release... very very nice.


[14:52] <czajkowski> YoBoY: are we meeting next thursday ?
[15:59] <YoBoY> czajkowski, yes :)
[16:00] <YoBoY> sorry I add no time to organise that properly ^^"
[16:01] <YoBoY> czajkowski, http://goo.gl/maps/kulGK << this place is OK for you ? (Le Bouillon Belge, it's a belgian beer pub)


[05:29] <tjaalton> how come nautilus is shown as being in "updates,proposed" for trusty, though it should be released already?
[05:29] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus
[05:30] <tjaalton> there's another update on the queue that I'd like to get in
[05:30] <tjaalton> but sru-review complains that -0u9.10 is already there
[05:30] <tjaalton> (the old version)
[09:10] <Laney> tjaalton: It's usually deleted when moving to -updates
[09:11] <tjaalton> Laney: but not here? sru-review doesn't even offer the new one
[09:13] <Laney> tjaalton: aha, seems to be a manual step http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[09:13]  * Laney isn't on the SRU team so doesn't know such things
[09:13] <tjaalton> oh
[09:14] <tjaalton> done! :)
[09:14] <Laney> seems like sru-review is showing the wrong version but if you look at the diff it's right
[09:14] <tjaalton> indeed, duh
[09:14] <tjaalton> anyway
[09:14] <Laney> maybe because I fixed theh old changelog
[09:14] <tjaalton> it should be clear now
[09:14]  * Laney dunno
[09:14] <tjaalton> I'll ack it
[09:14] <Laney> OK, don't think that was necessary though. :P
[09:15] <tjaalton> never seen a package in that state before
[10:10] <cjwatson> tjaalton: yeah, we do the removals in bulk from time to time.  I've just poked it
[10:10] <cjwatson> (from -proposed)
[10:10] <cjwatson> one of those days I'll finish the Archive.copyPackage(move=True) implementation


[00:14] <cjwatson> infinity: great, thanks
[04:30] <paddy> elky: so lets do this again
[04:30] <paddy> come on Mrs Pride
[04:31] <elky> i didn't kick you. talk to rww
[04:31] <paddy> you asshole gave him #o
[04:31] <paddy> OPs
[04:31] <paddy> for heavens sake, how stupid are you?
[04:32] <paddy> and now you need the cowboy as backup or what?
[04:32] <paddy> what a woman
[04:33] <paddy> sabdfl: i have a serious problem with the code of conduct and some of your people
[04:33] <paddy> do we talk via twitter maybe?
[04:33] <paddy> or here?
[04:34] <paddy> sabdfl: this is no joke. elky gave channel access to a person who would break the code of conduct just because she thought she would not break it on her own
[04:35] <rww> paddy: I believe the correct venue for this would be #ubuntu-ops.
[04:35] <paddy> rww: please be quiet, abuser.
[04:35] <rww> paddy: Also, if you believe that op actions violate the code of conduct, the correct escalation is to the IRC Council, which has delegated authority from the Community Council to deal with such matters.
[04:36] <paddy> rww: is that what elky copied you to say?
[04:36] <paddy> rww: you have own arms and own legs, right?
[04:37] <rww> paddy: Indeed, which is why I find your first reply and your fixation on elky a bit odd.
[04:37] <paddy> rww: does that mean you kicked me from #ubuntu-offtopics without reason to talk to me on #ubuntu-ops about it?
[04:37] <paddy> its well known that i have a fixation on females, rww. we all remember how i was stalking christel, etc.
[04:37] <rww> No, I kicked you from #ubuntu-offtopic because you're a troll. And again, this is not the right place to be having this conversation, because it's a channel for Ubuntu development, not #ubuntu-offtopic's ban resolution channel.
[04:38] <paddy> this is the pefect place to make some people aware of a problem
[04:38] <paddy> a serious problem
[04:39] <paddy> elky, rww and a few others dominate the channel #ubuntu-offtopic so that it is no longer useful for most people
[04:39] <paddy> i can bring enough people who say that too
[04:39] <paddy> you guys better make a new channel and make this your home
[04:40] <paddy> #ubuntu-offtopic is for _users_
[04:40] <paddy> those who you call trolls
[04:42] <rww> Interesting idea. Put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda and the relevant people can discuss it with you at the appropriate time :)
[04:42] <paddy> you guys use derogatory language in places where the code of conduct applies
[04:42] <paddy> you guys try to discriminate me and other people
[04:42] <paddy> this is not acceptable
[04:43] <paddy> rww: you better stayed on #moocows on OFTC
[04:43] <paddy> rww: you dont need to copy me thinks that elky wants you to say
[04:43] <rww> paddy: FYI, if you're looking for someone to complain about #ubuntu-* operators to, IdleOne is a member of said IRC Council and is currently online.
[04:43] <paddy> rww: you dont need to copy me thinks that elky wants you to say
[04:45] <paddy> when rww tells elky "give me ops so i can boot paddy for no reason" and she does so then she is in the line of fire
[04:45] <paddy> has nothing to do with her stupid gender
[04:46] <paddy> but you tried to play that card again, right?
[04:46] <rww> paddy: Happily, IdleOne is in #ubuntu-offtopic too, and thus will have logs of me (not) saying this, so please go talk to them so they can get elky fired or whatever it is you want. Let's leave #ubuntu-devel for making Ubuntu better :)
[04:46] <paddy> but you tried to play that card again.
[04:46] <paddy> and now you are hilighting random people because you are helpless
[04:46] <paddy> what a _man_
[04:47] <paddy> you two make a super nice couple, really
[04:47] <rww> Actually, I'm highlighting one of the people in charge of Ubuntu's IRC operators, which is why I keep saying you should talk to them.   Take your pick, but you're not going to stay here and keep talking.
[04:53] <paddy> make sure you set a reason that makes sense
[04:55] <IdleOne> paddy: Would you kindly not disrupt channels with discussion of things that don't concern those channels.
[04:55] <paddy> is that the required warning before you can ban?
[04:55] <IdleOne> I'm asking you nicely
[04:55] <paddy> i see
[04:55] <IdleOne> wasn't trying to warn you about anything
[04:58] <IdleOne> oh it works
[05:39] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: at ease soldier :)
[05:42] <IdleOne> didn't mean they had to leave :/
[09:36] <shadeslayer> btw is there a way to debug why I have no com.ubuntu.Upstart session dbus interface>
[13:34] <iainkay_> anybody tried compiling compiz plugins extra on ubuntu 13.10?
[15:33] <Peace-> just a question wtf this version is a bit old ?
[15:33] <Peace-> mawk -W version
[15:33] <Peace-> mawk 1.3.3 Nov 1996, Copyright (C) Michael D. Brenna
[15:33] <Peace-> why ?
[15:34] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554167
[15:43] <Peace-> sigh
[19:57] <miseria> "charlando con un arbol pregunte: porque tenia el cerebro enterrado? responde: la mision es proteger la tierra" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[19:59] <Logan_> wat
[20:13] <mdeslaur> anyone know how to do a "python setup.py configure --blahblah" with dh_python2?
[20:41] <Noskcaj> roaksoax, kirkland. Any chance of  testdrive release? mostly because it's now broken in trusty because of bug 1270331 .
[20:42] <Noskcaj> And could we keep it as 3.25 rather than 3.25-0ubuntu1 so i can get this uploaded to debian.


[00:17] <callmepk> goood morning
[05:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:17] <duflu> Morning seb128
[05:28] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[05:33] <duflu> seb128, kind of average. Long enough sleep but low quality. How are you?
[05:58] <callmepk> good morning seb128 and good afternoon duflu
[05:58] <duflu> Afternoon callmepk
[06:02] <jibel> seb128, hi, when you released ubiquity-slideshow for focal did you do it from trunk?
[06:02] <jibel> there are changes in trunk from early april that don't seem to be in focal
[06:03] <jibel> and updates of translations are not in trunk
[06:10] <jibel> this is the diff https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T5PsDBjmmP/
[06:11] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:11] <jibel> translations differ and a couple of htlm files
[06:11] <jibel> Good morning duflu
[06:11] <duflu> Seb beat you to the #firstpost today :)
[06:11] <jibel> yeah, I've been lazy saying good morning today
[06:12] <duflu> To be fair those mornings of yours I would still call night
[06:12] <jibel> lets say it's early morning
[06:13] <jibel> I wake up between 5 and 6, after a coffee, ranting with myself about news of the world, I then start working
[06:20] <seb128> lut jibel
[06:20] <seb128> hey callmepk
[06:21] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright, got waken up at 6am though so feeling a bit tired
[06:21] <seb128> jibel, no, I reverted a commit that was changing a string since that would have invalidated some of the translations
[06:22] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/focal
[06:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:49] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:59] <jibel> seb128, so I should first merge translations from focal (commmit 878 and 879) into trunk, then push trunk to /groocy, right?
[06:59] <jibel> groovy*
[07:00] <jibel> just this file actually po/ubuntukylin/zh_CN.po
[07:02] <jibel> and commit 877 too
[07:02] <jibel> which diverged from trunk
[07:02]  * jibel is tempted to move the project to git
[07:06] <didrocks> good morning
[07:06] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:07] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:07] <jibel> slaut didrocks
[07:16] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk seb128 duflu jibel oSoMoN didrocks and other desktoppers
[07:16] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:16] <luna_> morning
[07:19] <duflu> Hi luna_
[07:19] <jibel> Salut marcustomlinson
[07:19] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson, re jibel
[07:24] <callmepk> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:27] <jibel> seb128, have removing free software and memtest from the boot menu been discussed with desktop?
[07:27] <jibel> I don't recall any discussion, but I may have missed something
[08:03] <Laney> yo
[08:03] <seb128> jibel, Steve was under the impression it had been discussed at the focal release sprint but I didn't join that one, maybe Laney does remember?
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <seb128> speaking of who
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney , how are you?
[08:04] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:04] <seb128> lut didrocks, hey other desktopers I didn't greet earlier
[08:04] <Laney> moin seb128 and didrocks and jibel
[08:04] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:04] <Laney> don't remember that, I think I would have said that it should be discussed more widely
[08:04] <seb128> jibel, re the slideshow, if there is a string change in trunk compared to what is in the archive so yes
[08:05] <jibel> I'll reply it hasn't been discussed
[08:05] <seb128> thx
[08:06] <jibel> seb128, I merged translation changes from focal into trunk but there was some pending string changed in trunk that should have been in focal and will be untranslated
[08:06] <jibel> seb128, how do you wan to proceeed? do a release with the new mascot and images anyway?
[08:06] <jibel> and refresh the translation like early next week
[08:06] <jibel> want*
[08:07] <jibel> I can push to /groovy and then someone sponsors an upload to groovy from thre
[08:07] <seb128> I don't understand the situation, let me see what is in trunk
[08:07] <seb128> I would take the current ubuntu package version
[08:07] <seb128> and replace the image
[08:07] <seb128> and not touch anything else
[08:07] <jibel> well, everything is in the vcs
[08:08] <seb128> (or maybe just do a translation export from launchpad to get new strings)
[08:08] <seb128> let me look groovy vs vcs
[08:08] <jibel> seb128, what I'm saying is that bdmurray fixed some typos in trunk which had not been pushed to the focal branch and the focal branch is what is in the archive
[08:09] <jibel> so there'll be some translation to redo
[08:09] <seb128> we should use the trunk branch, the only reason we made a focal one was to avoid uploading the string break that was in trunk at the time
[08:10] <jibel> okay
[08:11] <seb128> but the situation is going to be the same again, the focal and groovy package are identic
[08:11] <seb128> which means you didn't do an upload post focal to get the string change out
[08:11] <seb128> jibel, so yeah, I would just push /focal to /groovy and commit the artwork change and upload that
[08:12] <seb128> then when H opens we can upload was is staged in trunk
[08:12] <seb128> does it make sense?
[08:16] <jibel> at this stage of the release it does
[08:16] <jibel> let me do that
[08:17] <jibel> someone make to note somewhere to release trunk to H as soon as it opens so we don't end up in the same situation next cycle
[08:17] <jibel> makes a note*
[08:17] <Laney> trello !!!
[08:17] <jibel> what?
[08:18] <seb128> I will create a card for it and assign myself
[08:19] <didrocks> (and assign to Laney, kthxbye) :)
[08:19] <seb128> ;p
[08:19] <Laney> I love Launchpad karma
[08:19] <seb128> jibel, I can do the slideshow upload once the vcs is updated
[08:20] <jibel> thanks
[08:21] <jibel> I'll tell you when it's done
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, was that IS problem what caused Trevinho to not get an email for his rejected uploads on saturday?
[08:25] <Laney> it caused nobody to get mails, so yes :-)
[08:26] <seb128> Trevinho, in case you are still wondered what happened there, it was not your email setup being buggy but the launchpad one, upload rejection emailed failed to go out
[08:27] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah :)
[08:27] <Trevinho> I noticed, I got plenty of mails last night
[08:27] <seb128> Trevinho, ola, how are you? ;)
[08:27] <Trevinho> hey!
[08:28] <Trevinho> All good :)
[08:28] <Trevinho> you?
[08:28] <seb128> I'm alright! it's quiet and sunny here today :-)
[08:38] <Laney> Trevinho on phone DETECTED
[08:38] <Trevinho> nope, youreee wronggggggggggg
[08:39] <Laney> bah
[08:39] <Trevinho> https://i.imgur.com/YKZoXfm.png :P
[08:44] <jibel> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/groovy
[08:53] <jibel> didrocks, bug 1899842
[08:53] <seb128> jibel, uploaded
[08:53] <jibel> do you see what went wrong?
[08:53] <jibel> seb128, excellent, thanks!
[08:54] <seb128> np!
[08:54] <jibel> didrocks, there is a "failed to mount /target" but I don't see why
[08:55] <didrocks> jibel: do you think it can be due to property 'encryption' specified multiple times ?
[08:55] <didrocks> weird, was working well on Tuesday
[08:55] <didrocks> so, either a racy bug or…
[08:56] <seb128> didrocks, jibel, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/502055995/CasperMD5CheckMismatches.txt
[08:56] <seb128> it feels like the ISO is corrupted
[08:56] <seb128> also
[08:56] <seb128>  Package: ubiquity 20.10.11 [modified: usr/share/ubiquity/zsys-setup]
[08:57] <seb128> the modified file is weid, probably another read error?
[08:57] <didrocks> the user upgraded
[08:57] <didrocks> but that shouldn’t impact that file, no?
[08:58] <didrocks> when is CasperMD5CheckMismatches generated? boot time or when there is a failure ?
[08:58] <didrocks> well even ./casper/filesystem.squashfs, so not related to the upgrade
[10:21] <duflu> oSoMoN, I've been using MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 on groovy and after adding some debug logging to mutter just noticed Firefox is actually using Wayland in software mode. That's slightly disappointing. I wonder if it will improve in future
[10:23]  * duflu shrugs and goes to make dinner
[10:40] <KGB-0> gdm signed tags d51507f Iain Lane ubuntu/3.38.1-2ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.38.1-2ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3sizg
[10:40] <KGB-0> gdm ubuntu/master d404404 Iain Lane debian/gdm3.preinst * preinst: Fix the bug link * https://deb.li/DXIz
[10:40] <KGB-0> gdm ubuntu/master 82e1f8d Iain Lane debian/gdm3.preinst * Fix preinst again * https://deb.li/iQZNg
[10:40] <KGB-0> gdm ubuntu/master 0ff291a Iain Lane debian/gdm3.preinst * Merge branch 'debian/master' into ubuntu/master * https://deb.li/CiuG
[10:40] <KGB-0> gdm ubuntu/master cda31a3 Iain Lane debian/changelog * Finalise changelog * https://deb.li/3cSSM
[12:50] <fidencio> didrocks: hey/ping. JFYI, I'm rolling out an osinfo-db now, should be ready for you to use on the next ubuntu in ~30 minutes or so.
[13:13] <fidencio> didrocks: https://releases.pagure.org/libosinfo/osinfo-db-20201015.tar.xz and https://releases.pagure.org/libosinfo/osinfo-db-20201015.tar.xz.asc
[13:13] <fidencio> didrocks: have fun!
[13:38] <didrocks> fidencio: thx a lot :)
[13:40] <fidencio> didrocks: anytime!
[14:10] <Laney> systemd-oomd just got merged
[14:10] <Laney> exciting times!
[14:39] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:39] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:40] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:41] <hellsworth> i there marcustomlinson oSoMoN
[14:49] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[14:52] <seb128> Laney, I didn't read much about it, does it make any user visible difference?
[14:52] <seb128> like being less random in what gets oomed?
[15:00] <Trevinho> Laney: yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[15:00] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm not sure, but I get quite hard hit by OOM at times, so force-rebooting isn't nice at all in such cases :-/
[15:00] <Trevinho> even with 32GB when I've some vms and compiling c++ code can be annoying
[15:01] <seb128> byt like of it rather no?
[15:01] <Laney> I don't know about less/more random, but it does it earlier in the process before your system dies
[15:01] <seb128> e.g machine slowing down so much you can't do anything for like 10 minutes until it decides to axe something
[15:02] <KGB-0> gdm Marco Trevisan 197107 * commented commit 82e1f8d * https://deb.li/3NI3h
[15:02] <seb128> by lack of it rather*
[15:02] <Laney> it does have some more controls too
[15:02] <seb128> I googled and saw that service can opt in for it
[15:03] <Laney> and it's per-cgroup too
[15:03] <seb128> sounds like a nice way to tell to the system things that are important and can be stopped first if needed
[15:40] <juliank> tkamppeter: so, question, how can i force cups to never pause a printer?
[15:40] <juliank> tkamppeter: like just had this again - my mum couldn't print because the printer was paused and then obviously retried that 10 times
[15:43] <juliank> I mean, the policy is set to retry-job
[20:08] <seb128> jibel, didrocks, Laney, small follow up since that come every now and then, I've added a section 'Updating the translations' to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity
[20:54] <karlthane> Ok hopefully someone can help. Installed 20.04 with the guide from openzfs.org ( needed more than single drive ) software center didn't get installed, found that, but apt cant find steam
[20:55] <oerheks> get the steam installer from their site?
[20:57] <oerheks> or wait, it is in our repos
[20:57] <oerheks> !info steam-installer
[20:57] <sarnold> go home ubot you're drunk
[20:57] <oerheks> yeah, covid probably
[21:10] <karlthane> It is in the repos and when I try to install it, I get "steam-installer : Depends: steam (= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu3) but it is not installable
[21:11] <oerheks> must be there .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam
[21:11] <oerheks> multiverse repo
[21:11] <karlthane> Which  it tells me is enabled.


[00:22] <kristian-aalborg> hi again
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> still fighting the spdif thing :(
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: ping?
[00:27] <holstein> hey
[00:27] <holstein> you ever get any sound out of there?
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> nope
[00:27] <holstein> you might not :/
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> on mint 10 now... same damn thing
[00:28] <holstein> yeah, i wouldnt think anything in mint would have different support really
[00:28] <holstein> not in that case
[00:28] <holstein> hmmm...
[00:29] <holstein> i would say ask in #alsa
[00:29] <kristian-aalborg> I'm there already
[00:30] <kristian-aalborg> it's not that mint is neccesaryly better supported but it's what I'm used to
[00:30] <holstein> yeah, mint is slick
[00:31] <holstein> i was just thinking if you could get the thing working in some live CD
[00:31] <holstein> you could poke around and learn why its working
[00:31] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: what are your plans for that output?
[00:32] <holstein> as a pro audio guy, i wouldnt lose sleep over hooking that up in the living room
[00:32] <holstein> i mean, it would be nice and clean, but not a deal breaker
[00:33] <holstein> and it could be that the D/A converters are better in that card than in the device you're trying to run it to
[00:36] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: trust me, it IS a deal breaker for me
[00:36] <holstein> you dont have analog inputs on the device?
[00:36] <holstein> the reciever?
[00:36] <kristian-aalborg> I have 10 meters or so from my box to the receiver - analog sounds awful, I have tried
[00:37] <kristian-aalborg> I get a constant hiss with an analog wire
[00:37] <holstein> :/
[00:37] <holstein> and you dropped who-knows-what on a 10 meter spdif cable ;)
[00:38] <kristian-aalborg> I dropped something like 20 dollars... and the same for the card
[00:38] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: have you tried a pulse-audio channel?
[00:38] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: oh, thats not too bad then
[00:38] <holstein> maybe you can get a better card anyways
[00:38] <kristian-aalborg> no, it's a fairly good system once it works
[00:39] <holstein> thats better supported
[00:39] <kristian-aalborg> I'm not sure where the problem lays - I have a horrible FoxConn MB, it might be to blame
[00:39] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: maybe the myth folks?
[00:40] <holstein> nah, i bet its just the alsa driver not dealing with all of the card properly
[00:40] <holstein> that happens
[00:41] <kristian-aalborg> the strange thing is, that in alsamixer, nothing says "IEC958" - it only says s/pdif
[00:41] <kristian-aalborg> I'm fairly sure it said the former earlier
[00:42] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you can ask in #opensourcemusicians
[02:42] <bodhizazen> 'lo all
[02:42] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, how goes ?
[02:43] <pedro3005> it's bodhizazen !
[02:43] <bodhizazen> Merry Christmas pedro3005
[02:43] <pedro3005> merry christmas to you too
[02:44] <bodhizazen> TY
[02:44] <aveilleux> So, I just added the compiz PPA and suddenly running an update causes the system to want to install the KDE libraries.
[02:44] <aveilleux> Is there a way for me to determine that's causing that? I kind of need the PPA.
[02:45] <bodhizazen> Unless you are tight on HD space, just take the kde libs
[02:45] <bodhizazen> IMHO
[02:45] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: But why would I do that if there's nothing on my system that needs them?
[02:46] <bodhizazen> because compiz wants them and you want compiz
[02:46] <bodhizazen> =)
[02:46] <bodhizazen> Why is it such a big deal
[02:46] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: Because I don't want the KDE libs on my machine?
[02:46] <bodhizazen> I personally use enough KDE apps, between k3b and Virtualbox
[02:46] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: I don't use any KDE apps.
[02:47] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: I want to find out what's suddenly wanting to install it.
[02:48] <bodhizazen> It is not as if kde lis are somehow evil or that they will cause problems =)
[02:48] <bodhizazen> what does apt-get install compiz -s
[02:48] <bodhizazen> show you ?
[02:48] <yofel> In those cases I usually use aptitude in interactive mode, mark everything to update, and remove what I don't want from the list again, if something depends on it I get an error at that point
[02:48] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: This system is currently being held together with baling wire and duct tape
[02:48] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: Compiz has been installed on this system for some time. I don't know why the PPA suddenly wants the KDE libs.
[02:49] <bodhizazen> Well why are you then playing with compiz from a ppa ?
[02:49] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: Plugins that are available.
[02:49] <bodhizazen> I seriously doubt ked libs will do any harm =)
[02:50] <bodhizazen> My guess is they want it for some theme or some such, or running compiz in KDE
[02:50] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: But my system doesn't use any KDE apps! I consider it a big deal to install libraries I'll never use.
[02:50] <holstein> maybe contact the PPA maintainer
[02:52] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: It's really weird, ppa-purge'ing the PPA stops the deps from being installed altogether.
[02:56] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: sup man
[02:58] <bioterror> morning
[03:02] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, going to play with squid
[03:05] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: left nginx?
[03:05] <stlsaint> bioterror: sup man
[03:05] <bioterror> dead tired, daughter decided to wakeup 5am
[03:07] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, no, not at all
[03:07] <stlsaint> lol, oh good
[03:07] <bodhizazen> I am going to try squid for something different
[03:07] <bodhizazen> ssh tunnel to a squid proxy for web browsing on an unsecured WAP
[03:08] <stlsaint> i met a guy who own vps hosting site who had a nginx openvz template! very nice
[03:11] <bodhizazen> sweet stlsaint
[03:11] <bodhizazen> nginx is very very nice for that
[03:11] <stlsaint> ftw
[03:12] <bodhizazen> I server out a ton of pages with nginx + 12 mb RAM
[03:12] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: but my server took a dump from a power outtage so now in server shopping again smh
[03:12] <bodhizazen> I could probably reduce that to 6 mb, but why bother ? lol
[03:12] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, need a VPS ?
[03:13] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: oh no i had backups, i need server for storage, testing, learning etc etc
[03:13] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: thanks of course
[04:33] <collin_> Hello. I am having a problem getting my Conexant internal mic to work
[06:01] <BR_> anyone up in here
[06:03] <BR_> awake
[06:03] <bioterror> I am
[06:06] <BR_> what does it mean 'no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[06:10] <bioterror> :D
[16:26] <Unguided> Hello All. Newb questions here. I have a 2 y/o boy. I was wondering if there is a website with the various games available for linux
[16:32] <Unguided> Hello All. I have a 2 y/o at home and i was wondering if their is a website with the available linux games for his age group
[16:40] <suprengr> Unguided: wouldn't it be better at that age just to give him the box the computer came in.. he'd probably have more fun  if not... / set cbeebies as browser home page - 2/ browse through Ubuntu Software Centre (tuxpaint is prob the best but there are others)
[16:44] <Unguided> okay thanks
[16:44] <suprengr> ... & tux typng might be a lead on for him in a year or so (perhaps sooner)
[16:44] <suprengr> pleasure
[17:06] <Karti> Hi all, is it better to give  server a fixed IP rather than lock it down to a fixed ip address from within a dhcp server ? Cheers
[17:07] <Karti> Just asked in UK....not sure what level teh question was ...sorry
[17:08] <holstein> Karti: i suppose the end result is the same
[17:09] <holstein> i usually do it on the machine
[17:09] <holstein> then if i need to change or reset the router
[17:09] <holstein> the setup seems easier
[17:09] <Karti> holstein, Just wondered if I should contain myself to working on teh dhcp only rather than worry about amending each new server
[17:10] <holstein> i say do what you feel comfortable with
[17:10] <Karti> but I suppose it can be just as easy...after all you would remote on to teh server to look at issues
[17:10] <Karti> I think to learn ....I may keep to teh server until I am happy
[17:20]  * suprengr ponders... "the" is known as and is [in grammar] the definite article - so 'teh' is the dinifate arcitle ??/ ;D
[17:22] <Karti> Just my bad typing as I get older :)
[17:22] <holstein> ;)
[17:23] <suprengr> a feeling i know well ;)
[21:41] <alexander> anyone know if it possible to set up an iphone in ubuntu
[21:42] <holstein> w0w
[21:42] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[21:42] <holstein> alexander: ^^
[21:42] <holstein> maybe chew that over til someone comes along
[21:43] <stlsaint> what do you mean setup?
[21:43] <alexander> cheers holstein that will keep me busy
[21:43] <stlsaint> alexander: ??
[21:43] <stlsaint> setup?
[21:43] <stlsaint> you mean manage?
[21:43] <alexander> yes essentially
[21:44] <stlsaint> in comparison with itunes there is nothing that handles in such a manner but banshee/rythmbox are going to get you closes
[21:45] <fatharrahman> Hi
[21:45] <alexander> yes rythmbox works well to synch music
[21:46] <stlsaint> fatharrahman: sup
[21:46] <fatharrahman> I want  to make a partition in a drive containing windows seven for ubuntu but I dont want to loose the infos of that partition how?
[21:47] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Use a partition manager such as GParted. It uses nondestructive resizing (it moves any data in the partition so you don't lose it)
[21:47] <fatharrahman> I did that
[21:47] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: I recommend RiP Linux, which contains GParted as well as other helpful tools and is much lighter than the GParted LiveCD
[21:47] <fatharrahman> but
[21:48] <stlsaint> aveilleux: is RiP cli based?
[21:48] <aveilleux> stlsaint: It can be, but it has a graphical mode.
[21:48] <fatharrahman> I only got a bootable live usb
[21:48] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: the Ubuntu live USB has GParted on it, iirc
[21:49] <fatharrahman> when I inter gparted what to choose : change or revert?
[21:50] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: What?
[21:51] <fatharrahman> to make sure I choose the  drive I want then click on change button or revert?
[21:52] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Revert undoes every change you have done so far.
[21:52] <fatharrahman> ok
[21:54] <fatharrahman> if I choose change (the partition) button , would this choice erase any files in that drive aveilleux
[21:55] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: You should have an option to resize the Windows (ntfs) partition. Do that, then create a Linux (ext4) partition and a swap partition.
[21:57] <fatharrahman> I don't see that option on gparted do you have a link to a tutorial? please
[21:58] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
[21:59] <alexander> does anyone know if i can use photoshop or dreamweaver in ubuntu
[22:00] <aveilleux> alexander: Not natively. They don't work too well in WINE either.
[22:01] <alexander> thats what i heard as well
[22:01] <fatharrahman> thank you that's very helpful
[22:01] <aveilleux> alexander: Do you need to do WYSIWYG editing, or do you go your HTML editing by hand?
[22:03] <UndiFineD> alexander, there alternatives in linux
[22:03] <alexander> need to do it wysiwyg
[22:03] <Duzz> Hey
[22:04]  * aveilleux does not like WYSIWYG
[22:04] <UndiFineD> http://www.linuxalt.com/
[22:04] <alexander> is there a ubuntu app to design web pages visually
[22:04] <UndiFineD> look that up alexander
[22:04] <aveilleux> alexander: Yes. You can use NVU.
[22:04] <alexander> ty UndifineD
[22:05] <UndiFineD> the best thing, they are free too
[22:05] <alexander> i love free
[22:05] <aveilleux> alexander: Alternately you can use KompoZer (based on NVU)
[22:05] <alexander> nice thanx all
[22:06] <Duzz> Im very new to ubuntu and am having an issue where i cant type a password in when trying to use sudo or su
[22:06] <aveilleux> alexander: It's important to note that most of the things listed on LinuxAlt as alternatives to DreamWeaver are NOT WYSIWYG
[22:07] <UndiFineD> Duzz, what do you do ?
[22:07] <aveilleux> Duzz: You will not see the password echoed as asterisks (*). Just type it and hit enter.
[22:07] <aveilleux> Duzz: You sort of have to trust yourself to get it right. sudo, gksudo and su all give you more than one chance to get it right.
[22:08] <Duzz> ah thanks i must just need more coffee
[22:11] <alexander> is AVU wysiwyg aveilleux
[22:11] <aveilleux> alexander: NVU is, yes
[22:11] <aveilleux> alexander: sudo apt-get install nvu
[22:12] <aveilleux> alexander: Whoops, NVU isn't supported anymore. Try KompoZer.
[22:12] <aveilleux> alexander: sudo apt-get install kompozer
[22:12] <alexander> awesome thanx
[22:13] <alexander> oh ok will do
[22:21] <morph_> if u were just starting of with ubuntu - where would u start ? i know the resource pages, but just wonderin if anyone has advice, who might have thought if i'd looked at this when i started it would have helped me out
[22:22] <aveilleux> morph_: The best thing to do is just play with it, break it, then learn how to fix it.
[22:22] <aveilleux> morph_: It's what we're here for ;-)
[22:22] <morph_> cool fair answer
[22:22] <morph_> ive been playing around with stuff
[22:22] <morph_> cli
[22:22] <morph_> installing etc..
[22:23] <morph_> i think im trying to get my head round things having come from windows
[22:23] <aveilleux> morph_: That's how it usually is, yeah
[22:23] <morph_> anyway
[22:23] <morph_> i shall probably be bothering u with stuff in the future :)
[22:24] <aveilleux> morph_: Oh it's no bother, :P
[22:25] <ChrisDruif> Sometimes it nice to learn somebody something new :)
[22:25] <ChrisDruif> I find joy in that anyway :)
[22:34] <Assimilater> hey guys, I'm having issues figuring out how to change my grub boot order. I've search on several forums which tell me to modify files such as /boot/grub/grub.conf, but they don't exist on my my machine. If it helps I installed ubuntu onto my computer using the setup I got on a thumb drive made from pendrive's setup program.
[22:36] <aveilleux> Assimilater: Those files are for GRUB < v1.98 (Also known as "GRUB Legacy)
[22:36] <aveilleux> ")*
[22:37] <Assimilater> aveilleux: how do I figure out which version of grub I have/which files to edit?
[22:38] <aveilleux> Assimilater: If you installed anything later than 9.04, you're running Grub2
[22:38] <aveilleux> Assimilater: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[22:40] <aveilleux> Assimilater: The easiest way to configure GRUB is to use Startup Manager (sudo apt-get install startupmanager [in the Terminal])
[22:40] <Assimilater> aveilleux: you read my mind...I was about to ask where the startup manager was :P
[22:43] <Assimilater> We'll see if that works (I suspect it will) Thanks
[22:44] <nit-wit> Assimilater, what is on the computer as of now
[22:44] <nit-wit> doh just left
[22:44] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Awww :c
[22:45] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I have W7 and 3 linux set up I just make sure grub is running from the most stable one.
[22:46] <nit-wit> no natty control at this point


[00:18] <bryce_> yeah no freeze on strace glxinfo here either
[00:21] <bryce_> definitely noticing performance issues tho
[00:28] <bryce_> hah!
[00:29] <bryce_> ok, so strace gcalctool does a reproducible freeze
[00:54] <bryce_> strace firefox segfaulted firefox.  weird
[04:55] <pwnguin> heh, what's the driver order for nv,nvidia and nouveau?
[04:55] <pwnguin> ie, if i remove xorg.conf, will i get nouveau or nv?
[04:59] <pwnguin> i guess i can just find out
[05:00] <pwnguin> if i don't come back, blame RAOF!
[05:00] <RAOF> Ah.  Another nouveau tester? :)
[05:01] <pwnguin> always
[05:01] <pwnguin> this is more of an x autoconfig thing
[05:02] <RAOF> Well, nouveau's not going to do that for you :P
[05:03] <pwnguin> i was hoping i could ditch xorg.conf
[05:04] <RAOF> Not with nouveau; X will choose the nv driver.
[05:09] <pwnguin> insane. it looks like i can travel into the past with guest session
[05:10] <pwnguin> oh
[05:10] <pwnguin> im stupid and dont understand what "rotate" means in logrotate
[05:18] <pwnguin> fun. alt-sysreq-k and nv don't get along
[05:19] <RAOF> Yeah.  nv probably can't get back from an inconsistent card state.
[05:20] <pwnguin> here we go
[05:20] <pwnguin> [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.41" is not allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display20" due to security policies in the configuration file)
[05:20] <pwnguin> from /var/log/gdm/:20.log
[08:57] <cwillu> pwnguin, log rotating means keeping old logs by cycling through a list of files
[08:58] <cwillu> oh, nvm, that wasn't a serious question :p
[09:05] <bryce_> heya cwillu
[15:44] <LLStarks> sigh.
[20:45] <bryce> tjaalton: maybe we should switch greedy back on (bug 359600)?
[20:45] <tjaalton> bryce: I noticed..
[20:46] <tjaalton> maybe it matters again, so why not
[20:49] <bryce> tjaalton: think it could cause regressions?
[20:49] <tjaalton> bryce: hardy still has it? I don't recall any
[20:50] <bryce> we dropped it at the start of jaunty
[20:50] <bryce> 2:2.5.1-1ubuntu1
[20:50] <tjaalton> ah
[20:51] <bryce> hrm, I wish I'd thought to test this out earlier
[20:52] <superm1> ooh it's nice and snappy with that on my d630 too
[20:53] <tjaalton> me too..
[20:54] <bryce> ok, keep testing it for problems... I'll talk to management on if we can get the patch re-accepted


[01:27] <Technoviking> evening all
[07:58] <nickellery> @schedule Vancouver
[08:41] <leoquant> @schedule amsterdam
[12:49] <PmDematagoda> 'lo bapoumba
[12:49] <PmDematagoda> guess what
[12:49] <bapoumba> hey PmDematagoda :)
[12:49] <bapoumba> What ?
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> no meeting......yet
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> :P
[12:50] <bapoumba> well, it's in half hour
[12:50] <bapoumba> 40 MINS
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> huh?
[12:50] <bapoumba> yes
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> but Lodon is 12:40ish
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> London
[12:50] <bapoumba> Hmm
[12:50] <stdin> UK is on BST, not GMT
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, can you give me the co-ordinates of the UTC time zone?
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> oh yeah
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> stdin, you're right
[12:51] <bapoumba> I now there is a command in the channels for that
[12:51] <bapoumba> testing:
[12:51] <bapoumba> !time
[12:51] <bapoumba> time!
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> lol
[12:51] <stdin> no bot atm
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> you need a ! I believe
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> or /time
[12:52] <bapoumba> ah okay, thanks stdin
[12:52] <stdin> 'date -u' in a shell will show time in UTC
[12:52] <PmDematagoda> cool
[12:52] <PmDematagoda> thanks stdin
[12:52] <stdin> :)
[12:52] <PmDematagoda> it's 11:52
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> stdin, do you know how to show that on the GNOME clock applet?
[12:53] <stdin> nope, I use KDE ;)
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> lol
[12:53] <bapoumba> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ PmDematagoda
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> ah
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> thanks baps
[12:53] <bapoumba> welcome :)
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> ai
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> Great Britain/United Kingdom is one hour ahead of UTC during summer.
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> there's the explanation why GB time was wrong
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> atleast for me
[12:54] <bapoumba> yes, and I'm UTC +2
[12:54] <bapoumba> (my kids are hating me once again ^^)
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> I need to find a place directly under UTC
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> or something
[12:55] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, jdong was very happy when I relayed your words to him
[12:55] <PmDematagoda> :D
[12:55] <bapoumba> Hehe :)
[12:56] <PmDematagoda> damn
[12:56] <PmDematagoda> just cant get UTC
[12:56] <PmDematagoda> :(
[12:59] <persia> PmDematagoda: Togo.  Specifically, Lome, Togo.
[12:59] <PmDematagoda> cool
[12:59] <PmDematagoda> excellent
[12:59] <PmDematagoda> thanks persia
[13:17] <PmDematagoda> hey u-g
[13:17] <PmDematagoda> quite early today
[13:17] <PmDematagoda> ;)
[13:19] <ubuntugeek> Hello
[13:20] <PmDematagoda> 'lo
[13:21] <Technoviking> morning
[13:22] <PmDematagoda> evening
[13:22] <emma> Good morning.
[13:22] <bapoumba> hello ubuntugeek :)
[13:22] <emma> I think I might go and see if I can get outside.
[13:22] <emma> Hello!
[13:22] <bapoumba> hello emma !
[13:22] <emma> oh i thought you were calling me an ubuntugeek lol
[13:23] <bapoumba> NP, emma, and it's nice and sunny outside :)
[13:23] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:23] <PmDematagoda> complete opposite here
[13:23] <PmDematagoda> been raining all day
[13:24] <emma> Oh dear. I'm quite sorry to everyone. I thought I was in ##linux. That's where I usually see PmDematagoda
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> emma, dont you mean #ubuntuforums?
[13:24] <emma> I hope I am not interrupting a meeting.
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> not at all
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> it didnt start yet
[13:24] <bapoumba> not yet emma
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> :)
[13:24] <emma> PmDematagoda: I'm not sure but I thought I was in a different channel since I saw your nick.
[13:25] <PmDematagoda> emma, lol, am I that famous
[13:25] <emma> (phew!)
[13:25]  * PmDematagoda swells in pride
[13:25] <PmDematagoda> :D
[13:25] <ubuntugeek> :)
[13:25] <bapoumba> Hello Mike (sorry, did not see you coming in :))
[13:26] <PmDematagoda> hey Technoviking(Mike):)
[13:27] <Technoviking> bapoumba: it is my ninja training
[13:27] <bapoumba> Must be Technoviking ^^
[13:27] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:27] <bapoumba> Or my poor attention ..
[13:28] <PmDematagoda> that too can be the cause.........
[13:28]  * PmDematagoda ducks
[13:28]  * bapoumba keeps eyes wide open when it comes to PmDematagoda
[13:28] <PmDematagoda> :D
[13:28] <PmDematagoda> you cerebrum isnt functioning properly baps
[13:29]  * bapoumba getting old..
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> I suppose you know enough bio to know what it means
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> :)
[13:29] <bapoumba> one day you'll understand, PmDematagoda :D
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> :P
[13:29] <ubuntugeek> We'll start in a couple minutes
[13:30] <bapoumba> oki
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> according to my time, there's one minute remaining
[13:30] <ubuntugeek> 0 minutes :)
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> yep
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> same here
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, keeping time snyced to an NTP?
[13:30] <ubuntugeek> Aye.
[13:31] <PmDematagoda> ntp.ubuntu.com I suppose
[13:32] <ubuntugeek> Lets discuss the Apple/Inte/PPC forum. Originally this was split because there wasn't enough traffic to warrant (2) forums. Putting them together with the and using tagging and prefixes seemed the way to go. The prefixes only specified the actually version leaving it up to the user to put in the tag for Intel or PPC.
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> PPC usage is rather low
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> so that can be justified
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> all Macs coming out nowadays are Intel arent they?
[13:33] <Technoviking> i think prefixes is the way to go
[13:33] <ubuntugeek> Yeah Intel only
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> yep
[13:34] <PmDematagoda> then we can eventually phase out PPC
[13:34] <ubuntugeek> I think the PPC user selection is low enough that they can specify a tag stating PPC or Intel. Thoughts?
[13:34] <PmDematagoda> yeppers
[13:34] <PmDematagoda> prefixes are simple enough
[13:35] <PmDematagoda> they are visible enough
[13:35] <PmDematagoda> that should be enough to make people happy
[13:35] <ubuntugeek> Currently our prefixes are shared among all categories, if we wanted to split them by PPC/Intel inside the apple forum it would require a new set be created. And would look pretty nasty with 10+ to choose from.
[13:35] <Technoviking> one question, could we go a step further and merge all the architecture forums i386,amd64, ppc, lpia (mobile), sparc into one and use prefixes? or would that just piss people off
[13:36] <PmDematagoda> Technoviking, is there a lot of activity on all of them?
[13:36] <bapoumba> regarding Apple forum, one is enough. The UF tree is already quite complicated :)
[13:36] <PmDematagoda> i386 and amd64 are obviously active
[13:36] <ubuntugeek> Mike, well the problem with that is.. Currently we don't have any platform specificed in the prefix, just the distro. Tags should be used for the platform but it requires the user to do that right now.
[13:37] <oswaldkelso> As a ppc user I can say that the removal of  ubuntu ppc and merging it with mac-tel has not been welcome by either set of users.
[13:37] <ubuntugeek> I can't imagine choosing from a list of 30+ prefixes trying to find the one i want.
[13:37] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, very good point
[13:37] <bapoumba> ubuntugeek, +1
[13:37] <PmDematagoda> I wouldnt do that either
[13:37] <Technoviking> agreed
[13:37] <bapoumba> what about Kubuntu on and64 ?
[13:38] <bapoumba> it would require more than one prefix
[13:38] <ubuntugeek> Perhaps we can look at ways to improve the tags and make them into a dropdown like the prefixes.
[13:38] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, tags?
[13:38] <PmDematagoda> that may become messy
[13:38] <bapoumba> can we limit the tags like the prefixes ?
[13:38] <bapoumba> only a list to choose from ?
[13:38] <PmDematagoda> some/most people may not even bother if there are a lot of prefixes/tags
[13:39] <ubuntugeek> You can search by tags and tags now show next to forum title. Its rather simple if someone put 686, PPC, etc in the tag
[13:39] <bapoumba> and no new ones ? (that would solve the nasty tags)
[13:39] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, people will take sometime to get used to that
[13:40] <PmDematagoda> and newbs will find that hard
[13:40] <PmDematagoda> we must give an introduction to newbies
[13:40] <ubuntugeek> Lets put it this way, prefixes are pre-defined and the user must choose one. Ubuntu, kubuntu etc its rather simple. Tags however require user input, its about educating them to use the feature. We can add verbage on the posting page to help facilitate this.
[13:40] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, exactly
[13:41] <bapoumba> PmDematagoda, any feature is difficult to users ^^
[13:41] <ubuntugeek> Moving the tag entry box under the subject line from the bottom of the post box would be the first step with verbage.
[13:42] <bapoumba> (along with the infraction button, but that's another story..)
[13:42] <ubuntugeek> :)
[13:43] <bapoumba> I guess the amd64 arch will loose more visibility than any other in this process
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> amd64 is getting importance
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> and it is getting better
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> amd64 must get the same significance as i386 is
[13:43] <ubuntugeek> I think as the forum evolves we'll probably merge some forums the apple forum was the first one. Let's make some changes to the tag entry box and add verbage to the posting template to help educate users to use the feature. We can also add a tag cloud to the category so the tags are more visible.
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> that would work
[13:44] <bapoumba> category ?
[13:44] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: +1
[13:44] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, what about giving some more prominence to the help on forums features sticky?
[13:44] <ubuntugeek> baps, for example http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 under the description add a tag cloud
[13:44] <PmDematagoda> if we do, then newbies can read it and they can find UF more easier to use
[13:45] <ubuntugeek> Well, I am working on something for new users :) its about 40% done.. I think you'll like it :)
[13:45] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, excellent
[13:45] <bapoumba> Ah okay ubuntugeek, +1
[13:45] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, care to give a preview of what it'll be?
[13:45] <ubuntugeek> :P
[13:45] <PmDematagoda> :D
[13:46] <bapoumba> I know PmDematagoda, you get to talk to each new user :)
[13:46] <bapoumba> personally, one by one
[13:46] <ubuntugeek> Mike, looks like we'll give this a try and discuss it in a later meeting to determine how well its working? Agree?
[13:46] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, dont be jealous because I have all the luck
[13:46] <PmDematagoda> :P
[13:48] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: agreed
[13:48] <ubuntugeek> k
[13:48] <ubuntugeek> It's not in the agenda but lets discuss social groups really quick.
[13:48] <PmDematagoda> ah
[13:48] <PmDematagoda> so what's going to be done u-g?
[13:49] <bapoumba> they need to be watched more closely
[13:49] <ubuntugeek> A few weeks ago I mentioned some ideas for social groups. Those being the following: 1) social groups need to be applied for 2) they need to be ubuntu/forum related
[13:50] <PmDematagoda> I agree with those points
[13:50] <bapoumba> +1
[13:51] <ubuntugeek> With that said, I'd like to propose that we implement those policies and remove the current social groups that don't fall into this spec. Of course letting the group owners know before hand.
[13:51] <ubuntugeek> Social Groups have sorta turned into a black hole..
[13:51] <PmDematagoda> agreed
[13:51] <bapoumba> +1
[13:52] <bapoumba> and may be also remove the ones that are incative after a certain time
[13:52] <bapoumba> (one mont or so ?)
[13:52] <bapoumba> *month
[13:52] <PmDematagoda> not one month
[13:52] <PmDematagoda> its a bit too short
[13:52] <PmDematagoda> let's have it at 3
[13:52] <Technoviking> 3-6 months
[13:52] <ubuntugeek> Probably 3-4 months would be good
[13:52] <bapoumba> okay
[13:52] <ubuntugeek> 3-6 is good too
[13:53] <PmDematagoda> yeah
[13:53] <ubuntugeek> +1 on this from me
[13:53] <bapoumba> +1
[13:53] <Technoviking> ask at 3, close at 6 if nothing has changed
[13:53] <Technoviking> +1
[13:53] <ubuntugeek> Mike, perfect
[13:53] <PmDematagoda> Technoviking, let's close at 4
[13:53] <PmDematagoda> 1 month is more than enough
[13:54] <PmDematagoda> for the owner to make an appearance and give his opinion
[13:54] <PmDematagoda> what do you think?
[13:54] <ubuntugeek> PM, lets see how it goes
[13:54] <PmDematagoda> ok
[13:55] <ubuntugeek> Is Graham Otte (xhhux) here to discuss his item?
[13:55] <PmDematagoda> what?
[13:55] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: have not seen him
[13:55] <PmDematagoda> did he actually want to contest his ban?
[13:55] <ubuntugeek> Yes
[13:55] <PmDematagoda> oook
[13:56] <ubuntugeek> Well, lets discuss it Mike. I think we've discussed it enough on the list and lets just make the facts know in public why he was banned.
[13:56] <Technoviking> let get it on the record
[13:56] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: +1
[13:56] <ubuntugeek> Xhhux also shares accounts with multiple other users who have infractions for one reason or another
[13:57] <ubuntugeek> All the email accounts on these accounts are very similiar, he claims it wasn't him doing it.
[13:57] <ubuntugeek> He was banned and we reversed the ban once, only to find within the hour he was logging into multiple accounts again
[13:58] <ubuntugeek> We banned him again
[13:58] <PmDematagoda> so he knew what he was doing
[13:58] <bapoumba> is he the one going with pchandler nicks too ?
[13:58] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, pchandler?
[13:58] <ubuntugeek> He disputed it and we (the FC) decided to keep the ban in tact this time
[13:59] <ubuntugeek> And here we are today.. Its the general consensus of the FC to leave the perm ban at this time.
[13:59] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, what he did was more than enough to have even a respected member banned
[13:59] <PmDematagoda> so what kind of reason can he have?
[13:59] <PmDematagoda> unless he wants to put something over us
[13:59] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: +1, he was given a second chance and chose not to make the best of it
[14:00] <ubuntugeek> Mike, +1 also matthew was unable to attend today meeting but shared the same thoughts as us on the FC list.
[14:00] <ubuntugeek> We will leave the account banned at this time
[14:00] <ubuntugeek> +1
[14:00] <bapoumba> fine with me
[14:01] <PmDematagoda> +1 here as well
[14:02] <ubuntugeek> Mike?
[14:03] <Technoviking> +1 from me, he can take it to the CC if he wants, but it is a clear cut case
[14:03] <ubuntugeek> Yep
[14:03] <ubuntugeek> Does anyone have anything else?
[14:03] <bapoumba> I think he has a currently active account
[14:03]  * bapoumba checking
[14:03] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, are you referring to the linsux thing?
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> baps ok we'll need to look into that
[14:04] <Technoviking> nope, other than can we move the meetings to 14:30 next time, it is 6:30 AM in Salt Lake :)
[14:04] <PmDematagoda> :D
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> Mike, no way lol
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> Yeah 14:30 is fine
[14:04] <Technoviking> 6:30 AM Saturday = evil
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> We'll I am evil :)
[14:04] <PmDematagoda> :P
[14:05] <bapoumba> Mike, my kids are waiting to go get new shoes ^^
[14:05] <ubuntugeek> I'll request the next meeting to be at 14:30 mike
[14:05] <bapoumba> 2:30 PM saturday = evil too ;)
[14:05] <Technoviking> bapoumba: have fun
[14:05] <PmDematagoda> 14:30 is cool
[14:05] <ubuntugeek> Anything else?
[14:05] <bapoumba> fine with me too
[14:06] <Technoviking> none here
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> do we need to do a clean up of the announcements?
[14:06] <ubuntugeek> PM, on the frontpage?
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> yeppers
[14:06] <ubuntugeek> Yeah
[14:06] <ubuntugeek> Going to get to that today
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> cool
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> :)
[14:07] <PmDematagoda> and Unix_Slayer sent me a PM today
[14:07] <oswaldkelso> Could we go bacjk to the ppc issues as they seem to have been ridden over rough shod. There was no consultation as to the merging of mac-tel and ppc low usage or not.  Prefixes are a good solution?
[14:08] <oswaldkelso> The majority of apple converts prefered the previous way with separate forums.
[14:09] <oswaldkelso> Even the ppc mod was not consulted about the change. Shocking behaviour
[14:09] <ubuntugeek> oswal: Things change, the forum changes. I think we'll see more merging in the future.
[14:09] <PmDematagoda> there was a PPC mod?
[14:09] <ubuntugeek> PPC Mod?
[14:09] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I never liked the "Ubuntu" forums have two "Apple" areas
[14:09] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: Give prefixes a chance
[14:10] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, prefixes are rather visible, and they also have a way of keeping things organised
[14:10] <oswaldkelso> ssam. he could'nt make it today but the maerge thread has been largly ignored, even thought ppc and mac-tel hat it
[14:10] <oswaldkelso> ~hate
[14:10] <PmDematagoda> was ssam a PPC mod?
[14:10] <PmDematagoda> blimey, I never knew
[14:10] <oswaldkelso> yes
[14:11] <ubuntugeek> ssam was never a mod
[14:11] <oswaldkelso> he still is, He raise the subject on the agenda
[14:12] <ubuntugeek> Self appointed maybe, but he has no moderator privileges on the forums.
[14:12] <oswaldkelso> well forum admin ot what ever you call it. I'm not sure of the terminoligy
[14:12] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, ssam isnt an admin
[14:12] <PmDematagoda> that I am sure
[14:12] <oswaldkelso> rep then. the ppc voice
[14:12] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: ssam is just a regular forum user on ubuntuforums.org
[14:13] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, just give the prefixes some time and justice
[14:13] <oswaldkelso> Well if I'm wrong I stand corrected. But thats what I was lead to belive.
[14:13] <ubuntugeek> yep, like I said we'll re-discuss it in a couple months
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> oh and u-g
[14:15] <ubuntugeek> Yep
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> is there a possibility that the search system can extend throughout the whole forum?
[14:15] <oswaldkelso> I seem to me ( and other ppc users) the Ubuntu is trying to kill off anything to do with ppc. Some of the earlier comments can only lead to that asumption also.
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> for now, we can't search either through the Jail or OPP
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> and that is a bit of a disadvantage
[14:16] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, Apple has killed off PPC
[14:16] <PmDematagoda> who else is there?
[14:17] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: We are not trying to kill it off, CAn you today make a post about PPC on the forums?
[14:17] <ubuntugeek> Ubuntu forums is not trying to kill off anything... There is simply not enough PPC traffic to warrant a separate section when we have tools like tags/prefixes. We made  a decsion and will be trying it for a couple months.
[14:17] <persia> Sony?
[14:18] <oswaldkelso> It has nothing to do with apple ppc is more than apple. There are lots of powerpc hardware still being made and people want to run linux on it.
[14:19] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I appreciate your passion for PPC, but a decision has been made. We will look again in a couple of months
[14:19] <oswaldkelso> Sony yes Xbox millions of new machines
[14:19] <ubuntugeek> Our next meeting with be scheduled on June 14th, at 14:30 UTC.
[14:19] <ubuntugeek> thanks for coming everyone!
[14:19] <Technoviking> thanks
[14:20] <ubuntugeek>  /end meeting
[14:20] <bapoumba> Thanks :)
[14:20] <oswaldkelso> What about my motion it's on the agenda but not been discussed yet.
[14:21] <Technoviking> isn't PowerPC ports the same thing?
[14:22] <oswaldkelso> No
[14:22] <oswaldkelso> ssam motion was about the merging of ppc and mac-tel.
[14:23] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: the forums servers are under extreme load
[14:23] <ubuntugeek> oswal: We are not adding any other categories at this time that are not related to ubuntu
[14:24] <oswaldkelso> Mine is about an architecture specific forum ( which could include ubuntu ppc) but distro free Debian Slackintosh Fedora anything that runs on PPC
[14:25] <ubuntugeek> I understand that, but unless its 100% ubuntu related we are not adding new categories right now for anyone.
[14:25] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I have a suggestion
[14:25] <oswaldkelso> The problems of succsess. Says who
[14:26] <oswaldkelso> I'm all ears
[14:26] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I would take this passion for PPC and start building a community behind it
[14:26] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: where do you think Kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.. come from :)
[14:27] <ubuntugeek> Mike, +1
[14:27] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: There is nothing wrong with our decision. but that does not stop you from doing your own thing
[14:28] <PmDematagoda> well, Im off to watch some movies
[14:28] <ubuntugeek> See ya PM
[14:28] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: We have to do what is best for the whole Ubuntu community, not just PPC
[14:28] <PmDematagoda> and Technoviking, hot fuzz is great
[14:28] <PmDematagoda> see ya u-g:)
[14:29] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: people building new community and areas of interest is what make Ubuntu great
[14:31] <Technoviking> later all off to drink lots of Coffee
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> lol
[14:31] <ubuntugeek> Well our time is up for this month.. thanks everyone
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> have fun Mike
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> :D
[14:31] <ubuntugeek>  /end meeting 2nd time
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> lol
[14:31] <ubuntugeek> Thanks all!
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> see ya everyone
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> will this ever end?
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> :D
[14:32] <bapoumba> Bye everyone :)
[20:45] <xhhux> hello?
[20:45] <nathangrubb> the meeting is still 5 hours ahead
[20:46] <xhhux> how bout now?
[20:46] <nathangrubb> nope, still 5 more hours
[20:46] <xhhux> hmm.. better wit a few more seconds and then see
[20:46] <xhhux> ...
[20:46] <xhhux> ...
[20:46] <xhhux> ..
[20:46] <xhhux> how bout now?
[20:50] <ace_suares> are we there yet ?
[20:50] <nathangrubb> no


 How are you?
[05:21] <seb128> I'm well thanks!
[05:33] <callmepk> morning seb128
[06:21] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[06:32] <bittin> morning
[06:34] <bittin> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001923.html
[06:34] <bittin> does that mean we will say morning on Libera in the future
[06:34] <bittin> :p
[06:38] <pieq_> Looks like, but for now there are not a lot of people there :)
[06:45] <seb128> hey callmepk jibel bittin
[06:45] <seb128> hey pieq_
[06:54] <bittin> hi seb128 pieq jibel
[07:01] <callmepk> hi jibel bittin pieq_
[07:04] <didrocks> good morning
[07:05] <duflu> Morning jibel, bittin, didrocks
[07:06] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:11] <jibel> hi seb128 bittin callmepk duflu didrocks
[07:13] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:15] <callmepk> hi didrocks
[07:17] <didrocks> hey callmepk!
[07:26] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:27] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[07:36] <seb128> didrocks, oui, levé un peu tôt à mon goût mais sinon ça roule, et toi ?
[07:36] <didrocks> ça va, bientôt vendredi :)
[08:03] <Laney> yo
[08:04] <bittin> hi
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you today?
[08:08] <didrocks> hey hey hey Laney
[08:10] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks
[08:10] <Laney> alright until I looked at https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcrjm8jf7#?date=2021-05-20
[08:15] <jibel> Good morning Laney
[08:18] <Laney> peace jibel
[15:12] <jibel> Laney, about bug 1921862 we added the dependencies to ubiquity but it doesn't work because ubiquity purges/reinstalls the packages at the end of installation and all the configuration done is lost.
[15:12] <ubot3> Bug 1921862 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu Focal) "Call germinate with -updates" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1921862
[15:12] <jibel> Laney, we'd like to try the second option and hardcode the list of package in livecd-rootfs
[15:13] <jibel> Laney, how did you do to build an image from a modified livecd-rootfs?
[15:13] <jibel> or at least the squashfs
[15:15] <jibel> also the workaround with the metapackage wouldn't work the same reason since it would be in -updates and couldn't be seed or would removed by ubiquity with all its deps
[15:20] <Laney> jibel: you'd hardcode the metapackage when adding the "live" packages
[15:20] <Laney> I think I shared a pastebin with you last time when we discussed this with the LP API calls I used in
[15:23] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9BZ9JPsJPw/
[15:23] <Laney> ignore line 11 ([8])
[15:24] <jibel> thanks, I thought there was more magic
[15:24] <Laney> it picks up the livecd-rootfs from the specified PPA
[15:25] <Laney> I think a live-meta would be nice to have in general if you wanted to explore that, but the other way is fine too
[15:25] <Laney> at least for me, not on the sru team
[15:27] <Laney> and the squashfses get deleted after not very long so save anything you want to keep 😬
[15:27] <Laney> that one of mine is already gone
[15:28] <jibel> looking at other projects in livecd-rootfs it's common practice to list the required packages
[15:33] <Laney> yeah there's lots of stuff in there that would be better made declarative
[15:34] <didrocks> agreed, but here, we are in a SRU case for minimal impact, and this won’t be in impish
[15:38] <Laney> right, it would be setting up the stuff for future
[19:58] <ItzSwirlz_> good evening/afternoon
[20:12] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 700b4ae Gunnar Hjalmarsson debian/patches/0030-temporarily-revert-alt-char-key.patch * Added note to the header of patch 0030 * https://deb.li/3lWrC