[07:21] <locodir-user> mn,bnj,
[09:18] <YoBoY> good morning
[11:28] <cjohnston> its time to go diving!
[13:26] <locodir-user> Ronnie: Hey buddy
[13:26] <Ronnie> hey ....
[13:26] <locodir-user> :)
[13:26] <locodir-user> Back to work on week ends :(
[13:27] <Ronnie> glad to be still student :)
[13:28] <locodir-user> Hmmm... !!! yaa !!! u lucky
[13:28] <locodir-user> nick / Tricky
[13:28] <locodir-user> :(
[13:28] <locodir-user> whats the command to change the nick ?
[13:28] <Ronnie>  /nick Tricky
[13:29] <TrickyJ> Cool :)
[13:29] <Ronnie> still on webchat
[13:29] <Ronnie> didn't chatzilla work?
[13:34] <TrickyJ> Yaa man chatzilla is not working
[13:35] <Ronnie> does it give specific errors?
[13:36] <TrickyJ> Naa i guess its a secured network it just say unable to connect try again..,May be i dont have access to it
[15:35] <head_victim> Where is the loco.ubuntu.com/teams able to be updated?
[15:35] <head_victim> Is this only possible by team admins or anyone logged in?
[18:14] <Ronnie> im currently investigating: bug 611304, most of the code works already, but for security reasons, the user of the UserProfile is not sended with JSON, therefore the data cannot be copied 1:1. Does someone have thoughts about this?
[18:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 611304 in loco-directory "Import data from loco.ubuntu.com JSON service locally (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611304
[18:45] <mhall119> Ronnie: the username, id, first and last can be copied
[18:45] <mhall119> just not password
[18:45] <mhall119> the Profile JSON should just contain the user ID though
[18:46] <mhall119> there's already a service for the rest of the User object
[18:46] <Ronnie> mhall119: return model_service(UserProfile, request, url, exclude=['user'])
[18:46] <Ronnie> an userprofile cannot be linked to a django user
[18:46] <Ronnie> while all requests work with django users
[18:46] <mhall119> Ronnie: was that already there, or is this something you're doing?
[18:47] <Ronnie> thats the JSON, that is already in the code (development, i dont know whats currently live running)
[18:48] <mhall119> hmm, we can probably allow user, it should just show the integer id
[18:50] <Ronnie> the integer id should be enough
[18:50] <mhall119> check and see what it gives if you remove the exclide=['user']
[18:50] <Ronnie> im running into some other problems atm, but i think almost all can be solved. the model does not seemed to be changed too much
[18:51] <Ronnie> then it shlould work, other m2m and o2m relationships are working too
[18:51] <Ronnie> currently i get already the live date from the server
[18:52] <mhall119> awesome
[18:52] <mhall119> dholbach will love you for that
[19:08] <Ronnie> hmm, running into datetime problems now. i need to check for that too
[19:55] <Ronnie> mhall119: in what way does the live-data conflicts with the command init-ld and update ?
[20:31] <mhall119> init-ld pulls team and user data from Launchpad, and initializes countries and languages from system ISO files
[20:31] <mhall119> it doesn't populate any event of venue info
[20:32] <mhall119> live-data should probably pull everything, including what init-ld would do, and completely replace the local DB
[20:32] <mhall119> otherwise foreign keys might not line up right
[20:32] <Ronnie> indeed
[20:33] <Ronnie> but i have still a problem when an FK is deleted on the server side
[20:33] <Ronnie> have to look for a way to 'or' define the pk myself, 'or' make a mapping between the server_pk and local_pk
[20:46] <Ronnie> mhall119: i was thinking about the latter one
[21:18] <mhall119> I'm thinking you just require a complete replacement of all local data
[21:19] <mhall119> like a ./manage.py reset
[21:19] <Ronnie> true, but what about the mapping, can it be done without
[21:20] <mhall119> you shouldn't need a mapping if you're only using what's on the server
[21:20] <mhall119> unless the JSON services aren't giving you enough data for that
[21:20] <Ronnie> and what happens if entrys on the server are deleted?
[21:20] <mhall119> the live-data isn't meant to keep databases in sync
[21:21] <mhall119> just to give us 'live' data to test against when we're developing locally
[21:21] <Ronnie> i mean, when it is deleted before syncing, the PK does not exists anymore, but the local just keeps adding the numbers
[21:23] <mhall119> oh, you mean deleted mid-sync?
[21:24] <Ronnie> no, when an object is deleted on the server, the PK lets say 3 does not exists anymore. when i recreate the objects, django decides the pk. so with 1 and 2 are fine, but 4 on the server will be 3 on the local db
[21:25] <TrickyJ> watch out guys :P http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs214.snc4/39050_421528357147_644872147_4574223_5524899_n.jpg
[21:45] <Ronnie> mhall119:  the script sometimes fails when the data on the server is null, while it cant be null in local db. need to find a proper solution for that one
[22:04] <TrickyJ> REGISTER <tricky#123><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:04] <TrickyJ> :P
[22:05] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: check out here
[22:05] <TrickyJ> Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[22:06] <Ronnie> yes, with that command (/msg Nickserv REGISTER <your_secret_pwd> <your_email>) you can register an account for IRC
[22:41]  * mhall119 is sooo tempted to troll czajkowski over being stranded right now
[22:41] <czajkowski> mhall119: BESTP_NOT_TO_DO_THAT
[22:41] <mhall119> ;0
[22:41] <mhall119> ;)
[22:42] <mhall119> merry Christmas czajkowski, it's 74 F here
[22:42] <mhall119> you should never have left
[22:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: so help me I will throttle you
[22:59] <Ronnie> mhall119: how soon jou think the server instance can be chainged, so the UserProfiles, includes the User Id?
[23:18] <Ronnie> mhall119: running into problems with the 'overwritten' save function of Venue


[03:58] <AskUbuntu> How do I set up a single Hard drive as a node on my MAAS server? | http://askubuntu.com/q/366515


[14:17] <teward> Eickmeyer: i presume no movement on dpf-plugins
[14:17] <teward> :P
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> teward: Not so far.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> SRU of ubuntustudio-installer is getting attention, though.
 well it was the weekend
 :P
 most of the AAs are Canonical IIRC
 unrelated, more coffee is reqiured.
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[10:34] <Guest90916> hi there
[10:34] <Guest90916> anyone know how to restore .bashrc file on ubuntu?
[10:40] <gorilla> Guest90916: Try copying the one from /etc/skel
[10:40] <Guest90916> gorilla : yeah I have
[10:41] <Guest90916> but when I put the command like
[10:41] <Guest90916> euca-authorize -P tcp -p 22 default
[10:41] <Guest90916> it gave me an error like this
[10:41] <Guest90916> EC2_ACCESS_KEY environment variable must be set.
[10:41] <Guest90916> Connection failed
[10:50] <gorilla> Guest90916: you are going to need to add that variable :-)
[10:50] <Guest90916> gorilla : o I have found the solution. Thanks :)
[10:51] <gorilla> kk. sorry I was in the middle of fixing dinner.
[12:20] <head_victim> sagaci: you were chasing me last night?
[12:21] <gorilla> head_victim: the word you are looking for is stalking. :-)
[12:21] <head_victim> gorilla: hey I'll take any attention I can get ;)
[12:22] <gorilla> fair enough. Better than chasing other people.
[23:32] <DarrenS> head_victim: ping


[14:04] <doko> o/
[14:06] <didrocks> hey doko
[14:08] <doko> I wouldn't mind if we skip it today, still busy with 3.8, or is there anything urgent?
[14:09] <didrocks> I don’t think there is anything urgent from my side at least


[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82805 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "During install mozilla-thunderbird recommends mozilla-firefox, but the package is called firefox in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82805
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82847 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82847
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #46144 in firefox (main) "Ubuntu Dapper firefox introduces rendering errors" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46144
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82901 in firefox (main) "crashed on deleting mail from yahoo email address" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82901
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> LP is so painfully slow
[07:42] <AlexLatchford> hmm I see what you mean
[07:42] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i think I'm going to play with Beryl some more soon
[07:43] <Admiral_Chicago>  hmm, so it's still loading
[07:44] <Admiral_Chicago> lagging like mad. I suppose it's okay I have to run to class anyway
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60256 in flashplugin-nonfree "Adobe releases flash-plugin security update 7.0.68" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60256
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82937 in firefox (main) "firefox crash after ubuntu 6.10 instalation +update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82937


[00:19] <storrgie> I have a networking issue, is anyone a network guru in here? this one may be hard to spot
[00:20] <chrismsnz> drop it in here, if someone can help they'll pipe up :)
[00:20] <dominicdinada> storrgie: still breaking stuff ? i might be able to help
[00:20] <storrgie> yeah this is the same ongoing issue
[00:20] <storrgie> I'm not exactly sure what it is or how it may be related to things
[00:20] <storrgie> I would draw you a picture if i could
[00:20] <storrgie> let me explain my network
[00:21] <dominicdinada> ok
[00:21] <storrgie> gateway is a U-Verse modem
[00:21] <dominicdinada> ok
[00:21] <storrgie> wired directly into a WRT54GL router
[00:21] <storrgie> that router does everything
[00:21] <dominicdinada> i got one of them
[00:21] <storrgie> the modem doesnt do junk
[00:21] <storrgie> so behind that router we have various machines
[00:21] <storrgie> important one is a server
[00:21] <storrgie> big rig
[00:21] <storrgie> running ubuntu 10.04
[00:21] <dominicdinada> Why have the mrt54gl then ?
[00:22] <dominicdinada> wrt54gl uverse router is all in one
[00:22] <storrgie> no the U-verse modem doesnt do anything
[00:22] <storrgie> noo
[00:22] <storrgie> the WRT54G is a router
[00:22] <storrgie> the Uverse 2wire thing is our modem
[00:22] <dominicdinada> yes the hg 3800 is a router/modem i have one :/ but continue
[00:22] <storrgie> alright
[00:22] <storrgie> so
[00:23] <storrgie> i made a change
[00:23] <storrgie> i moved all linux machines to 10.04
[00:23] <storrgie> thats four laptops, my server and one desktop
[00:23] <storrgie> my main laptop
[00:23] <storrgie> i use pidgin on it
[00:23] <storrgie> im using it right now to talk to you
[00:23] <storrgie> i use it for IRC/Gtalk/AIM/etc
[00:23] <dominicdinada> oik
[00:24] <storrgie> alright so
[00:24] <storrgie> after the change i tried something new
[00:24] <storrgie> the server
[00:24] <storrgie> our fileserver
[00:24] <storrgie> i set up KVM on it
[00:24] <storrgie> using bridged networking
[00:24] <storrgie> i started up a bunch of VMs
[00:25] <storrgie> so it appears
[00:25] <storrgie> when I have VMs running
[00:25] <storrgie> on the server
[00:25] <storrgie> my laptop
[00:25] <storrgie> which is completely seperate
[00:25] <storrgie> arbitrarily drops connections to gtalk/aim/irc
[00:25] <storrgie> but only when the VMs are really talking
[00:25] <storrgie> like one of them
[00:25] <storrgie> i put transmission-daemon on
[00:26] <storrgie> if transmission-daemon is running
[00:26] <storrgie> poof i drop connections on my laptop like crazy
[00:27] <dominicdinada> I am not sure of this one... :(
[00:27] <storrgie> yeah
[00:27] <storrgie> i am super confused
[00:28] <dominicdinada> could be that either the machines change something in your network settings or that there is alot of traffic and it keeps flooding you off
[00:29] <storrgie> yeah i think its the traffic thing
[00:29] <storrgie> i am sniffing right now
[00:31] <storrgie> I see a TON of traffic like this:
[00:31] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/GjFHtEk6
[00:31] <storrgie> it seems to be taking place between my router and a windows machine on the network
[00:31] <storrgie> the only windows machine
[00:32] <dominicdinada> can you output more of it...
[00:33] <dominicdinada> your using wireshark right ?
[00:33] <storrgie> yep
[00:34] <storrgie> http://imgur.com/rZlk1
[00:35] <dominicdinada> which is which then ?
[00:36] <dominicdinada> Cisco  --- Liteon
[00:36] <storrgie> cisco is the router
[00:36] <storrgie> liteon is my roomates silly dell running windows 7
[00:36] <storrgie> how do i check for network loops
[00:36] <storrgie> maybe STP is hurting me
[00:37] <dominicdinada> network loops would be in the network configuration but maybe he is running filesharing
[00:39] <storrgie> i doubt he is, but either way thats a lot of traffic
[00:39] <storrgie> not sure how  to stop it
[00:39] <dominicdinada> you could also check both routers configuration if he is port forwarding it to run a different application maybe
[00:40] <storrgie> the windows machine?
[00:41] <dominicdinada> yes whatever liteon represents lol ( only knows liteon as cd/dvd burners )
[00:41] <storrgie> sorry
[00:41] <storrgie> dropped
[00:41] <f1yback> is there an official vm
[00:43] <dominicdinada> http://ckp.made-it.com/ieee8022.html
[00:44] <storrgie> dominicdinada: i just dont know what to do
[00:44] <dominicdinada> but it doesnt describe why it is flooding the windows machine, is that connectivity off and on also ?
[00:44] <storrgie> yeah
[00:44] <storrgie> off and on
[00:45] <dominicdinada> and if you turn off the transmission daemon what happens ?
[00:46] <storrgie> stability... it appears
[00:46] <dominicdinada> !transmission
[00:46] <dominicdinada> blah
[00:46] <dominicdinada> !daemon
[00:46] <storrgie> what about it
[00:47] <dominicdinada> well is there a setting to specify the address that you want to use the transmission daemon ewith
[00:48] <egsome> i'm going to open a small programming office, How can i benefit of the Ubuntu Server Cloud technology in that environment ( about 4 PCs connected with Ubuntu Server by LAN ) ?
[00:48] <dominicdinada> Because this is all traffic from your router so it is not the machine that is running transmission daemon unless it is sending requests for other clients/servers
[00:52] <egsome> anyone can help ?
[00:52] <dominicdinada> I have not worked with cloud as of yet
[00:52] <dominicdinada> !cloud | egsome
[00:53] <dominicdinada> !server
[00:53] <dominicdinada> egsome: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[00:54] <egsome> at all, with cloud in ubuntu server i can get for example ( low spec. PCs ) and let them work with the cloud ( that is installed on a very high spec. PC ) , Right ?
[00:55] <dominicdinada> as i assumed it uses free resources for other machines but in a tiny office i dont see the gains unless you are using CAD or Video editing not just IDE's
[00:56] <dominicdinada> from what i know it shares resources and well simple text,ide's are not intensive to begin with
[00:57] <dominicdinada> like i said before graphics,cadding, video editing and so on would gain from it but dont rely on what i say
[00:57] <dominicdinada> when i think of cloud, i think more of server farms that are not efficently using the processors and or load balancing
[00:58] <egsome> dominicdinada, thanks anyway, and i think that you're right
[00:58] <egsome> dominicdinada, anyway i were thinking in ways to make the PCs less in spec. and for sure suitable for programming
[00:59] <dominicdinada> egsome: like i said get a second opinion but from text book in my networking classes........ i dont see a gain other than centeralizing files
[01:00] <dominicdinada> egsome: I hate to say it but a descent PC/Laptop etc you can get for a few hundred hell you can even develop on netbooks
[01:01] <egsome> dominicdinada, yeah that's right, but the screen size would be so hard, so i think about a desktop pc for each programmer
[01:01] <dominicdinada> true :P
[01:02] <egsome> dominicdinada, i thought today about mainframes :), i see it would be useful in my case, one big computer do all the job, and some screens and KBs and Mouses .. no more :)
[01:05] <dominicdinada> yes
[01:05] <dominicdinada> that would work build a good server and then you can do that
[01:06] <dominicdinada> 1 server 4 TB 16 Gigs ram.... but then your already paying more for the server than 4 brand new mid grade pc's  again unless your makinggames,video blah blah :P
[01:07] <dominicdinada> i forgot games before and top end gamming machine cost a few grand
[01:27] <slipperychicken> "HostRAID" = fake raid, yes ?
[01:28] <slipperychicken> this supermicro board is giving me "adaptec raid" and "intel raid"
[01:28] <ChmEarl> slipperychicken, #dmraid -r    (to expose fakeraid)
[01:28] <slipperychicken> on boot with adaptec, it's posting with "HostRAID - ICH10R"
[01:28] <slipperychicken> booting...
[01:29] <ChmEarl> ich10r is fakeraid via northbridge
[01:30] <slipperychicken> so with this DMRAID command, it'll tell me whether or not it's a real raid controller ?
[01:30] <slipperychicken> ps: this whole raid-trickery is silly, imho.
[01:30] <ChmEarl> it tells what fakeraid metadata is there
[01:30] <slipperychicken> so miss leading.
[01:30] <slipperychicken> aight.
[01:30] <ChmEarl> unless you setup ich10r raid bios, there should be none
[01:32] <ChmEarl> slipperychicken, I got ich5r metadata to work with an upgrade to ich10r before
[01:33] <ChmEarl> moved some drives from a p4 mboard to a C2Duo
[01:33] <slipperychicken> hrm, there is no OS installed, just booting from the 10.04 server iso.
[01:33] <slipperychicken> dmraid isn't in the installation.
[01:34] <slipperychicken> would using the irc10r raid be better than an MD software raid ?
[01:34] <slipperychicken> easier to recover from a disaster i'm guessing ?
[01:34] <ChmEarl> slipperychicken, if you don't want ich10r keep going, but if you do then start over and setup the raid bios
[01:35] <slipperychicken> whats are the pros of using ICH10R vs MDraid ?
[01:35] <slipperychicken> or cons.
[01:36] <slipperychicken> you would need a ICH10R raid controller to read the raid if the server blew up, yes /
[01:37] <ChmEarl> if you are going to co-locate the box and didn;t have access, then fakeraid is trouble
[01:37] <slipperychicken> that's what's going to happen. :)
[01:37] <slipperychicken> it's going to a data centre in about 3 days.
[01:37] <slipperychicken> 24x7 biometric access.
[01:38] <ChmEarl> slipperychicken, if your OS and boot partition will go on raid, then don't use fakeraid
[01:38] <slipperychicken> MD raid it is. :)
[01:38] <ChmEarl> slipperychicken, data on fakeraid is OK
[01:38] <slipperychicken> thx mate.
[01:38] <slipperychicken> that's what i'm reading.
[04:45] <_Snark> ok. I have a ubuntu server softraid setup with LVM. All is fine. Until I get to the grub install, wherein it critically fails. I have 2 disks mirrored in softraid. any pointers? :|
[04:46] <_Snark> i have a bios/grub partition on sda seperate to the raid/lvm volumes
[04:47] <_ruben> /boot can live on softraid just fine, grub just doesnt handle it being on lvm (lilo does afaik)
[04:47] <_ruben> not sure if grub2 changes any of that
[04:48] <enav> _Snark im not expert but maybe here is the answer to your problem http://is.gd/c59jt
[04:48] <_Snark> well, i'm not using grub2, just grub1, and yeah
[04:50] <_Snark> grub-installer just reports "wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path>"
[04:50] <_Snark> when i try and run it manually on md0
[04:51] <_Snark> this is 10.04 LTS, btw
[04:51] <_ruben> i always use the grub command to install it onto a sw raid .. and i thought 10.04 used grub2?
[04:51] <_Snark> and this is after completely giving up on getting 10.04 running on this machine with fakeraid :|
[04:51] <_Snark> it can use either i thought?
[04:51] <_Snark> but i could be wrong.
[04:51] <_Snark> *could
[04:53] <_ruben> http://paste.ubuntu.com/432025/ <-- my notes on installing grub1 on sw raid "manually"
[04:54] <_Snark> regardless which it is, it isn't happy, and none of the error messages / logs report anything useful as a result of the "critical failure"
[04:55] <_Snark> i don't have grub normal available.. i don't think
[04:55] <_Snark> this is during the 10.04 guided install
[04:55] <_Snark> i've just switched to a new terminal to mess about on cli in the hopes i can trick the thing into working :|
[04:56] <_Snark> i have grub-installer and that's it from the looks
[04:56] <_ruben> assuming grub1, you should be able to chroot into the installed system and run grub from there
[04:57] <_ruben> how to do this trick with grub2 i dont know (yet)
[04:58] <_Snark> both grub1 and grub2 seem to be available on the disk, still nfi which is attempting to be used though
[04:58] <_Snark> *install CD that is
[04:59] <_ruben> i think grub2 is used by default on the recent versions
[04:59] <_Snark> main partition is mounted under /target it seems.. aaaand there isn't much there.
[05:00] <_Snark> can't get the grub-installer script to return anything bar the "wrong number of args" message either
[05:00] <_Snark> le sigh.
[05:00] <_Snark> it seems like this shouldn't be such a struggle.
[05:00] <_ruben> odd, it should be containing the installed system indeed
[05:01] <_ruben> i dont even recall the last time i had issues with grub (be it 1 or 2) .. i just make sure /boot always is either a plain partition or 'simple' sw raid volume, and put the rest on lvm .. has worked like a charm for me thusfar
[05:15] <_Snark> i have /boot on a small ext4 partition on sda
[05:15] <_Snark> grub is still critically failing while attempting to install
[05:16] <_Snark> and giving no indication as to why
[05:16] <_Snark> so far 10.04 has made me want to shoot myself in the face :|
[05:18] <twb> That's a feature
[05:19] <twb> But I wouldn't use ext4 for /boot...
[05:19] <_Snark> guess it stops people from running off to use other distros :p
[05:20] <_Snark> well, i am not married to anything, and low on knowledge, i'm not used to having to faff about anywhere near this much when installing any distro
[05:30] <trimeta> I screwed up my grub when upgrading to Lucid; I forgot to mount my /boot partition during the upgrade, so the new kernel got put onto the main volume (which is a logical volume in a physical volume in a RAID5...it's slightly complicated); when I moved the kernel back to the dedicated root partition (which itself is a RAID1, but that isn't as important), it screwed up the boot.
[05:30] <trimeta> If I run it with a liveCD, how much work will it be to tell Grub where the kernel is now?  Badly enough, as soon as that second HD has a partition on it I can't remote boot that server again. Anyone willing to help me out with this?
[07:49] <twb> IpWned: is it listed in /proc/partitions?
[07:50] <IpWned> it is yes
[07:50] <twb> OK, so it's working.
[07:50] <IpWned> to elaborate
[07:50] <IpWned> if sdb is unpartitioned
[07:50] <IpWned> I boot fine
[07:50] <IpWned> but as soon as i run fdisk and partition
[07:50] <twb> Is the bootloader installed to both disks' MBRs?
[07:51] <IpWned> the server won't boot to the point where SSH loads anymore
[07:51] <IpWned> nope only sda
[07:51] <IpWned> sdb is pristine-empty
[07:52] <twb> These are SATA disks?
[07:52] <IpWned> oddly enough, once a partition is present on sdb, the only way i get to boot far enough to get SSH is to completely destroy sdb's mbr using dd command
[07:52] <IpWned> yes SATA
[07:52] <IpWned> i should mention it's a remote server
[07:53] <IpWned> so I don't see any screen output once the partition is present
[07:53] <twb> OK, I hypothesize that what you consider to be the "first" disk is actually plugged into the second port on the motherboard.
[07:53] <IpWned> that's down the line I was thinking
[07:53] <twb> Your BIOS is "helpfully" swapping them around in software when it discovers that there's no partition table on the first disk
[07:53] <twb> I have had *lots* of problems along those lines with remote C4/grub1 SATA deployments.
[07:53] <IpWned> sighs. nuthin but trouble with server.lu
[07:54] <IpWned> it sounds reasonable
[07:54] <IpWned> only thing i can imagine at this point
[07:54] <IpWned> the drive seems to work fine if I format and mount it in a running session
[07:54] <twb> What you want to do is either 1) have the local monkey swap the cables; and/or 2) ensure that there's a boot path from either disk
[07:54] <IpWned> uhm .lu tickets are infamous for taking 5 days lol
[07:55] <IpWned> how would i go about putting a boot path on the second drive
[08:07] <twb> IpWned: I don't know what a .lu is.
[08:07] <twb> IpWned: you'd do exactly the same thing you did to make the first drive bootable
[08:08] <twb> Probably something along the lines of grub-install '(hd1)', and possibly ensuring /boot is mirrored across all drives in a RAID1.
[08:20] <trapmax> i use squashfs to backup data. when i append my sfs-file with -keep-as-directory -option, how can i set the directory name to be appended?
[08:24] <drcode> hi all
[08:24] <drcode> how can I backup online server in ubuntu?
[08:28] <twb> trapmax: I'm curious; why did you select squashfs?
[08:32] <drcode> I got confuze with all backup tools
[08:33] <drcode> Irun ubuntu server , I need some solution to make online backup
[08:39] <IpWned> twb sorry was spurting off to try it lol my bad
[08:39] <IpWned> .lu is server.lu
[08:39] <IpWned> my hoster
[08:56] <trapmax> twb: i have lots of small files and duplicates.
[09:05] <hmw> the link in the channel topic looks outdated: http://tinyurl.com/ubuntuserv
[09:06] <twb> trapmax: what, squashfs does block dedupping?
[09:06] <twb> Hmm, I suppose it might effectively achive that due to gzip
[09:19] <Mkools> mcas: Hi
[09:23] <Mkools> mcas: I am getting this when start tomcat servelet engine: WARNING:   No rules found matching 'Server/Service/Engine/Host/Host/Valve'.
[09:26] <pecisk> hi people, I creating seed files to automatically restore my Ubuntu servers. I can't find several parameters though. Is there somewhere full reference of seed parameters?
[09:27] <pecisk> I want to preseed answer for question should system download language packages
[09:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, eucalyptus (backend) is java based?
[09:29] <pecisk> duh, already found answer :)
[09:29] <pecisk> nevermind
[09:29] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: parts of it (CLC, WC, SC) are Java based
[09:29] <twb> Java's "enterprise-ready"! :-/
[09:29] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: CC and NC are written in C
[09:30] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ty
[09:36] <Mkools> Can anyone help?
[09:42] <Guest_52> is it safe to use torrent as a backup. without the .torrent file you wont be able to download the seeded file right?
[10:05] <_ruben> torrent as backup solution, how odd is that :)
[10:49] <said1976>    	 	 	 	 	 	   Hi
[10:49] <said1976> I'm new in the Linux world  and system administration
[10:49] <said1976> I've created a local server on the internal networks at home and I installed LAMP + Samba + Openssh on the server for the application of the study.
[10:49] <said1976> Ubuntu server version I used is 10.04
[10:49] <said1976> The device used a bit old, but he works well
[10:49] <said1976> A connected devices on the network are: Sony PlayStation 3 and DreamBox and another computer in addition to the  server and all networked to the modem type of Cisco EPC2425 by cables and I have a laptop connected by wireless.
[10:49] <said1976> We have come to the problem
[10:49] <said1976> The problem is that when I run the server the wireless disappears from the network and laptop disconnected (if it was) and when I Turn off the server the wireless comeback to appear and the connection is excellent. This is the problem
[10:49] <said1976> Of course, those who will ask, have I modified a file in the server interface to the work static ip .
[10:49] <said1976> Information network interface on the server of the type Netgear FA310TX
[10:49] <said1976> Thank you
[11:57] <said1976> hi ppl
[11:57] <said1976> nobody have a resolve to my question
[12:01] <said1976> hello
[12:02] <said1976> any body there
[12:06] <said1976>    	 	 	 	 	 	   Hi
[12:06] <said1976> I'm new in the Linux world  and system administration
[12:06] <said1976> I've created a local server on the internal networks at home and I installed LAMP + Samba + Openssh on the server for the application of the study.
[12:06] <said1976> Ubuntu server version I used is 10.04
[12:06] <said1976> The device used a bit old, but he works well
[12:06] <said1976> A connected devices on the network are: Sony PlayStation 3 and DreamBox and another computer in addition to the  server and all networked to the modem type of Cisco EPC2425 by cables and I have a laptop connected by wireless.
[12:06] <said1976> We have come to the problem
[12:06] <said1976> The problem is that when I run the server the wireless disappears from the network and laptop disconnected (if it was) and when I Turn off the server the wireless comeback to appear and the connection is excellent. This is the problem
[12:06] <said1976> Of course, those who will ask, have I modified a file in the server interface to the work static ip .
[12:06] <said1976> Information network interface on the server of the type Netgear FA310TX
[12:06] <said1976> Thank you
[12:18] <said1976> ?????????
[12:21] <_ruben> said1976: define "wireless disappears"
[12:22] <said1976> i can connect to my wireless network
[12:23] <said1976> its look like the modem stop sending wireless
[12:23] <said1976> *i can't
[12:24] <said1976> (01:22:44 PM) said1976: i can't connect to my wireless network
[12:24] <said1976> did u got it ruben??
[12:25] <_ruben> the most obvious, but unlikely at the same time, would be that the server emits so much radio noise, that it interferes with the wifi signal .. what happens when you power on the server but dont connect the network?
[12:26] <_ruben> or do you see the network, but cant get an ip address?
[12:26] <_ruben> "can't connect" is a tad ambiguous
[12:28] <said1976> ok, i mean the network desappeard , when the server is off i can see the network name and can connect to it
[12:29] <said1976> but when i start the server , i disconnect automaticlay from the network if i was logged on, or if not , i dont see my network name
[12:30] <said1976> i didnt try to start the server and plugd it out
[12:30] <said1976> i will when i get home
[12:32] <said1976> got it ruben??
[12:32] <_ruben> you could also see if the modem does do any logging and see if anything weird shows up when you power up that server .. and double check its wifi settings when it doesnt work
[12:43] <said1976> thanx ruben, i did check my moden many times , but i will check again when i get home
[12:43] <said1976> ruben , you will be here att night , or in which times u are online
[12:43] <said1976> ?
[12:47] <_ruben> said1976: during working hours (8am-4pm) i tend to be more or less around (but also doing work, so not always responsive) .. during the night im here when im here ;) (same timezone as you btw)
[12:49] <said1976> _ruben: ok, i will try what u told me to do and see, otherwise if u come with something new in the next tow and half hour so just post it to me,   thanx
[12:50] <_ruben> sure, no problem
[13:09] <phil_> hi all
[13:10] <phil_> just download 10.04 Ubuntu Server and wishing to install on a HP Proliant that has no OS onit already
[13:12] <phil_> can anyone help at all
[13:14] <Pici> phil_: You'll have better luck if you ask an actual question here :)
[13:14] <said1976> phile_:its simple, burn the iso file on cd and run it on the HP and follow the instructhion
[13:15] <phil_> tried that however the server is not booting to the cd/dvd rom for some reason
[13:18] <alvin> Read the manual in order to know what key you have to press or BIOS setting to set in order to boot from CD. (and make sure the CD drive isn't broken or can't read writable cd's)
[13:19] <phil_> does it matter that i have dual dvd drives
[13:19] <alvin> I'm trying to upgrade 4 hardy servers with do-release-upgrade, but they all say 'No new release found'. Isn't that the proper way?
[13:19] <alvin> phil_: no
[13:19] <said1976> phil_:you have to go to the bios in your HP and change the the boot option to boot from the cd-rom
[13:20] <RoyK> alvin: it's probably not flagged for server release upgrade yet
[13:20] <alvin> RoyK: Oh, ok. I can wait. Thanks
[13:20] <phil_> thankyou for your help i will try and find my manua now
[13:20] <RoyK> alvin: dunno, but someone said here that won't happen until 10.04.1 will come out
[13:20] <RoyK> alvin: do-release-upgrade -d if you can't wait :)
[13:21] <alvin> Nono, I can wait. If it's not flagged, there's probably a good reason for it.
[13:43] <xperia> hello to all. i have a external usb disk but the access to the data on this usb disk is very slow. anybody know any tweeks to make the usb disk more responsive ?
[13:48] <Omahn> xperia: Might be worth checking you're plugged into a USB2 rather than the older & slower USB1 interface.
[13:48] <xperia> well it is a usb1 port on the server
[13:49] <Omahn> xperia: In that case it will be, very, very slow.
[13:49] <Omahn> xperia: It's just a limitation of the interface I'm afraid.
[13:49] <xperia> why that cant understand becouse even a ls on the disc takes sometime minutes
[13:50] <xperia> till i get the list of a few files in a directory
[13:50] <Omahn> xperia: If you have lots of files in the directory you're performing the ls on then it's relatively normal.
[13:51] <xperia> the thing is it is allways the first time. on the second run it is very fast but okay it looks like all the problems are related to usb1
[13:52] <Omahn> xperia: Second time the meta data will be cached and so it doesn't need to go over the USB interface.
[13:52] <xperia> Omahn: ahhh okay thanks for the info. well need in this case usb2 at least
[13:53] <Omahn> xperia: No problem at all. If possible it might be worth purchasing a USB2 interface card, they're relatively cheap.
[13:54] <xperia> ohhh did not know that. have to search in ebay then. on the otherside have to look if i have any free slots.
[13:55] <Omahn> xperia: Ah, yes, you will be a little stuck if you don't have any slots :-)
[13:57] <xperia> Omahn: have done some transfer tests with hdparm on this usb disk
[13:57] <xperia> what do you think about this values
[13:57] <xperia> "/dev/sdb2:
[13:57] <xperia>  Timing cached reads:     2 MB in  2.12 seconds = 965.21 kB/sec
[13:57] <xperia>  Timing buffered disk reads:    4 MB in  3.92 seconds =   1.02 MB/sec"
[13:57] <xperia> so it is 1 MB per second
[13:57] <Omahn> xperia: Yep, that's about right for USB1.
[13:58] <xperia> bad bad bad
[13:58] <Omahn> xperia: Yeah, only useful for mice and keyboard really.
[13:58] <xperia> yeah indeed. have pluged in a 1 TB USB DIsk and have to save a lot of Videos on this Disk over Internet
[13:59] <Omahn> xperia: Wikipedia says USB1 is capable of a maximum 1.43MB/s, with overheads 1.02MB/s is probably the quickest it will go.
[13:59] <xperia> Omahn: thank you a lot for your Help. Got more wise now
[13:59] <Omahn> xperia: No problem. :-)
[14:42] <ruben23> hi guys
[14:42] <ruben23> is ubuntu-server 8.04 LTS can fit in on a CD-R..?
[14:42] <Omahn> Hi ruben23
[14:42] <ruben23> or does it need to be on a DVD-R
[14:43] <Omahn> 700M CD-R
[14:43] <ruben23> Omahn: thanks
[14:44] <Omahn> pl
[14:44] <Omahn> Wrong window. damn.
[14:44] <ruben23>  Omahn:what country are you..?
[14:45] <Omahn> ruben23: UK
[14:45] <ruben23>  Omahn: you a sysadmin..?
[14:45] <Omahn> ruben23: Indeed.
[14:45] <ruben23> very nice
[14:45] <ruben23> what application servers you maintain..?
[14:46] <Omahn> ruben23: I work more at the operating system level rather than the application level, we have other groups for that.
[14:47] <ruben23>  Omahn: whats on the opearating system level..?
[14:48] <Omahn> ruben23: I've just double checked the 8.04 ISOs and the server releases will actually fit on a standard CD-R. The alternate and desktop ISOs do need 700 CD-R though.
[14:49] <ruben23> Omahn: yeah i have burned it now on a clean CD-R
[14:50] <ruben23> Omahn: im sure you good at what you do..
[15:06] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, waiting for you :)
[15:44] <ryoohki> does anyone here have a default lvm install on a fresh 10.04?  i have a simple question
[15:53] <guntbert> ryoohki: server?
[16:06] <ryoohki> guntbert: yes.  i want to know the default lvm names for the root vg and the lvs / and swao
[16:07] <guntbert> ryoohki: just installing - I'll tell you when its finished
[16:07] <ryoohki> guntbert: in fedora it would be VolGroup00/LogVol00 for / and VolGroup00/LogVol01 for swap
[16:08] <guntbert> ryoohki: did you choose "guided - entire disk - with lvm" ?
[16:08] <ryoohki> guntbert: in ubuntu i think it maybe servername/root and servername/swap_1
[16:08] <ryoohki> guntbert: no but that's the info i want to know
[16:08] <guntbert> ryoohki: trying ...
[16:10] <ryoohki> guntbert: i think you can see the info with "egrep 'root|swap' /etc/fstab" or "vgdisplay" or "lvdisplay" or "lvscan"
[16:10] <guntbert> ryoohki: yes, but only after the installation :-))
[16:11] <ryoohki> guntbert: do you have an eta?
[16:12] <guntbert> ryoohki: maybe only a few minutes
[16:13] <ryoohki> guntbert: thanks!  i'll wait
[16:15] <ruben23> hi whats the features and added stability for the new ubuntu-server..?
[16:15] <guntbert> ryoohki: I'm doing it in a VM -- its muck quicker :-)
[16:15] <ruben23> the new release
[16:17] <guntbert> ryoohki: the root VG is just the server name
[16:18] <guntbert> root is on servername/root and swap is on servername/swap_1  as you already guessed :-)
[16:20] <ryoohki> thanks!
[16:21] <guntbert> ryoohki: you're welcome :-)
[16:21] <ryoohki> i'm going vm too, i'm going to have ubuntu server 10.04 and 2 uec ubuntu 10.04 cloud instances
[16:22] <ryoohki> guntbert: going to practice private cloud at home
[16:22] <ryoohki> guntbert: is there a ubuntu uec channel?
[16:22] <guntbert> ryoohki: have fun :-)
[16:22] <ryoohki> guntbert: thanks again
[16:23] <guntbert> ryoohki: I don't know about an uec channel - best try it here
[16:29] <ruben23>  hi whats the features and added stability for the new ubuntu-server..?
[16:30] <ruben23> new release version
[17:08] <cipher42> can anyone tell me why "do-release-upgrade" crashed my server?
[17:09] <cipher42> when i reboot i get not display
[17:10] <cipher42> is anyone here?
[17:19] <ruben23> hi anyone can help, i got connection refused ssh on my ubuntu-server
[17:19] <ruben23> i got connection refused
[17:20] <aoeuhtns> ruben23, have you installed openssh-server?
[17:20] <ruben23> anyone have idea..?
[17:20] <ruben23> yes
[17:20] <ruben23> during the fresh install
[17:20] <ruben23> but problem
[17:21] <guntbert> oubiwann: please don't change your nick so often
[17:21] <ruben23> when i do  /etc/init.d/sshd restart----> i get no such directory
[17:21] <ruben23> aoeuhtns: what could it be
[17:22] <cipher42> you need to apt-get install openssh-server
[17:22] <cipher42> like he said
[17:22] <aoeuhtns> ruben23, that should be /etc/init.d/ssh
[17:24] <ruben23>  aoeuhtns: same thing no such file or directory..
[17:25] <ruben23>  cipher42: i have install openssh-server during the installation process
[17:26] <aoeuhtns> ruben23, I'd say do "apt-get install openssh-server" just to see what happens
[17:26] <ruben23> package openssh-server is not available
[17:26] <cipher42> yea sounds like it's not there
[17:26] <cipher42> apt-get update
[17:26] <cipher42> then try again
[17:26] <ruben23> when i do apt-get install openssh-server
[17:26] <cipher42> after apt-get update
[17:28] <ruben23>  apt-get update--> reciving package now
[17:31] <cipher42> does btrfs come with ubuntu-server 10.04?
[17:31] <ruben23> cipher42:  after update ill run this again-->  apt-get install openssh-server
[17:31] <ruben23> right..?
[17:31] <RoyK^> cipher42: don't use it
[17:32] <cipher42> right
[17:32] <RoyK^> btrfs is far from stable
[17:32] <RoyK^> use zfs if you need that functionality
[17:32] <cipher42> want to use it so bad...
[17:32] <RoyK^> either with fuse or on fbsd or osol
[17:32] <cipher42> it gets updated with kernal updates right?
[17:32] <RoyK^> yes, and you can update it manually
[17:33] <RoyK^> if you want to play with it, make sure you backup your data
[17:34] <cipher42> i read people are having good results with it
[17:34] <RoyK^> sure, but it's not stable
[17:34] <RoyK^> so it's like playing with matches and petrol - might work well
[17:35] <cipher42> can i change from ext4 to btrfs later?
[17:35] <RoyK^> yes
[17:35] <cipher42> it will convert the whole fs for me?
[17:35] <RoyK^> btrfs has an upgrade path for that
[17:35] <RoyK^> yes
[17:35] <RoyK^> and keep the ext4 (or perhaps just ext3, don't remember) as a snapshot
[17:36] <RoyK^> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3
[17:37] <cipher42> do i have to do it from another system
[17:37] <cipher42> ?
[17:37] <cipher42> like i can't do it on the fs i'm currently running right?
[17:38] <RoyK^> doesn't look like it, no
[17:38] <RoyK^> but you can probably do it from a livecd with the same btrfs version
[17:38] <RoyK^> keep in mind that it's not even frozen, so structure changes happen
[17:39] <RoyK^> at least it wasn't last i checked
[17:39] <cipher42> yea it's froze
[17:39] <RoyK^> try asking on #btrfs
[17:39] <cipher42> pretty sure i ready yesterday
[17:39] <RoyK^> ok
[17:41] <cipher42> guess ruben just needed to install openssh-server....
[17:42] <RoyK^> ruben23: apt-get install ssh
[17:43] <ruben23>  cipher42: its done, thanks so much
[17:43] <cipher42> np
[17:43] <ruben23> RoyK^ thanks also
[17:44] <RoyK^> cipher42: also, make sure you use the latest kernel from kernel.org
[17:44] <cipher42> i was jus planning on trying it with 10.04
[17:45] <RoyK^> the btrfs in lucid might be more buggy in 2.6.32 than in 2.6.33 - quite a bit has changed
[17:45] <cipher42> i did the do-release-upgrade
[17:45] <cipher42> and my server is all fraked up
[17:45] <cipher42> when it boots, looks like a gui tries to start, then drops the display
[17:47] <RoyK^> cipher42: try to remove 'splash' from grub
[17:47] <RoyK^> or simply boot into single
[17:48] <cipher42> guess i should try a live cd?
[17:48] <cipher42> how do i remove splash and how do i boot into single user mode?
[17:48] <RoyK^> you can choose single from the grub menu
[17:48] <RoyK^> 'recovery mode'
[17:49] <RoyK^> if you're using grub1, which I guess since you've upgraded, not installed 10.04, remove 'splash' from the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:49] <RoyK^> and it looks to me you're not very familiar with linux, so I suggest you try out btrfs on something else than your root partition
[17:50] <cipher42> i have grub 2 installed now
[17:50] <RoyK^> use a file if you don't have another drive
[17:50] <cipher42> and i can't select anything cuz the display bombs out
[17:50] <RoyK^> I don't know grub2
[17:50] <cipher42> i'm pretty linux savy
[17:50] <cipher42> just not grub
[17:50] <RoyK^> in my grub conf, the line is
[17:51] <RoyK^> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic-pae root=UUID=35c659a9-223a-40ce-8093-926b7f59ddd9 ro quiet splash
[17:51] <RoyK^> that's grub1
[17:51] <cipher42> oh oh
[17:51] <cipher42> i gotcha
[17:51] <cipher42> yea they moved it in grub 2
[17:51] <RoyK^> where is that stuff in grub2?
[17:51] <cipher42> can't remember off the top of me head
[17:51] <RoyK^> I see the last btrfs patches came in yesterday
[17:52] <cipher42> i really wanna try it..
[17:52] <RoyK^> anyway - try it on something != your root fs
[17:52] <RoyK^> or on a test system
[17:53] <RoyK^> you may of course use it in production, but I don't think your boss will like it when your data disappears
[17:53] <cipher42> i keep all my important stuff on a different drive
[17:53] <RoyK^> or the entire filesystem
[17:53] <RoyK^> ok
[17:53] <RoyK^> just make sure you use the latest kernel - not the one that comes with lucid
[17:53] <cipher42> reinstalling the OS is a pain in the ass, but at least my stuff doesn't get lost
[17:53] <RoyK^> that way, you can help the btrfs guys to fix problems
[17:54] <RoyK^> if you're using the lucid kernel, they probably won't accept bug reports
[17:54] <cipher42> can i use the installation cd, then get new kernel?
[17:55] <RoyK^> yes
[17:55] <RoyK^> download from ftp.kernel.org and build it
[17:55] <RoyK^> get one from   ftp://ftp.xx.kernel.org/linux/kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/
[17:55] <RoyK^> xx being your country TLD
[17:57] <RoyK^>   ftp://ftp.xx.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ that is
[18:10] <AmberJ> Hello
[18:10] <AmberJ> The Doc and resources link in /topic is not redirecting to where-ever it was actually intended to
[18:12] <RoyK^> AmberJ: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html is a good place to start
[18:13] <RoyK^> seems there's one for 10.04 as well https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[18:13] <AmberJ> I was going to ask that :) thanks
[18:14] <oru_work> greetings. can someone remind me how can i get all the information and settings about the php that i'm running with a text file that i can put in the www dir ?
[18:15] <RoyK^> <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[18:15] <kpettit>   <? phpinfo() ?>
[18:16] <kpettit> sorry RoyK^ is the right version
[18:21] <oru_work> is it safe to keep this file there ?
[18:21] <oru_work> permanently ?
[18:21] <cipher42> if you wanna get hacked
[18:21] <RoyK> cipher42: heh - you can't hack a machine through that
[18:22] <kpettit> it shows all the PHP features you have enabled.  Some features may have exploits, makes it easier for hackers to find out things.
[18:22] <RoyK> but it will tell a hacker what php version you have etc
[18:22] <RoyK> oru_work: mostly it's safe - perhaps put it in a separate directory and password protect that
[18:23] <shrini> team: need help on NFS
[18:23] <shrini> I get disconnected from nfs server
[18:23] <kpettit> ewww, nfs....
[18:23] <cipher42> what's wrong with nfs?
[18:23] <shrini> nfs server not responding timeout
[18:23] <shrini> getting this error
[18:24] <RoyK> probably either a network or server problem
[18:24] <kpettit> no current authentication type method.  Makes it hard to lock down properly with a large user base
[18:24] <RoyK> probably not client based
[18:24] <shrini> RoyK: I can ping and ssh to server
[18:24] <RoyK> tried restarting nfs on the server?
[18:24] <kpettit> last place I worked at used it extensively with tons of clients, custers, servers, etc.  painful
[18:25] <cipher42> yea it can be..
[18:25] <shrini> RoyK: yes. did
[18:25] <RoyK> checked if the server is heavily loaded?
[18:25] <shrini> RoyK: no load in server. it is just a simple nfs server
[18:25] <RoyK> no i/o load either?
[18:25] <shrini> RoyK: just sharing /home
[18:25] <kpettit> I like NFS alot, just wish you could do more SMB like user/group type rules
[18:25] <shrini> no i/o
[18:25] <shrini> load
[18:25] <RoyK> wierd
[18:26] <RoyK> should be quite safe
[18:26] <RoyK> we're having 10+ nfs servers and 100+ nfs clients at work
[18:26] <shrini> only 8 clients
[18:26] <RoyK> servers on solaris, opensolaris and some linux boxes
[18:26] <shrini> 1 server
[18:26] <RoyK> works well
[18:26] <shrini> hmmm
[18:26] <RoyK> no firewall between them?
[18:26] <shrini> no firewall
[18:26] <shrini> it mounts for a while
[18:27] <RoyK> enable sysstat and see if wio is load at times
[18:27] <shrini> i can access from commandline for a while
[18:27] <shrini> how to do that?
[18:27] <kpettit> are you going across a subnet?
[18:27] <RoyK> apt-get install sysstat - edit /etc/default/sysstat to enable it - /etc/init.d/sysstat start
[18:28] <shrini> RoyK: thanks. doing
[18:28] <RoyK> after that, 'sar' will give you a list of the system load over time
[18:28] <RoyK> man sar for more info
[18:30] <RoyK> shrini: also, kpettit asked a question :)
[18:31] <shrini> kpettit: no. same network
[18:31] <shrini> only 10 machines
[18:31] <shrini> all are ubuntu
[18:31] <arpu> hello
[18:31] <arpu> how can see (like the login massage) i need update the server ?
[18:31] <arpu> or rebbot
[18:32] <kpettit> shrini, another option to NFS that works out of the box is SHFS or SSH mouting.  You can do that through Ubuntu GUI or in /etc/fstab
[18:32] <RoyK> with 9.10 or later it should be printed for admins when you login
[18:32] <shrini> kpettit: nfs over ssh?
[18:32] <Italian_Plumber> how do I submit a kernel bug?
[18:32] <kpettit> I had lots of issues with NFS, SSH always worked and was easier to manage
[18:32] <RoyK> Italian_Plumber: submit an ubuntu bug if it's an ubuntu server
[18:32] <shrini> it will take much time, for doing all encryption/decryptions
[18:33] <RoyK> kpettit: nfs should work well
[18:33] <kpettit> shrini, no I was suggesting you use SSH to mount filesystems instead of using NFS.  You can use SSH to mount filessystems just like NFS or SMB.
[18:33] <RoyK> why not nfs?
[18:33] <kpettit> You can do it right through the Ubuntu file explorer.
[18:33] <RoyK> we have a rather large unix environment at work and we only use nfs
[18:34] <kpettit> Ease of use.  I like NFS, but for fast and easy ssh already exists and requires no real setup.
[18:34] <shrini> kpettit: speeed on shfs?
[18:34] <RoyK> iirc it uses fuse, so both fuse and ssh will give a little overhead, but probably not a whole lot
[18:35] <kpettit> NFS is faster for lots of small files.  Transfering big files and stuff it's about the same.  But it wouldnt' be good for a webserver, but it's OK for office documents and ISO images,etc...
[18:35] <RoyK> shrini: use -o tcp with nfs
[18:35] <shrini> RoyK: i use tcp in /etc/fstab
[18:35] <RoyK> iirc linux defaults to udp, which can be troublesome if something goes bad with the network
[18:35] <kpettit> I use SSH through the Ubuntu File explorer and bookmark all my servers.  Makes it nice to use my local editor to get to files on all my remote servers.
[18:35] <RoyK> shrini: ok
[18:36] <kpettit> used with ssh keys it's very nice/easy/secure
[18:37] <shrini> how to check for network inconsistancy, if any
[18:37] <RoyK> shrini: also, remember to use the flags soft,intr,bg and set timeo to something reasonable
[18:38] <RoyK> shrini: network troubleshooting isn't very ubuntu specific :þ
[18:38] <shrini> RoyK: ya. did the same already
[18:39] <RoyK> do you see this problem on all clients?
[18:39] <shrini> RoyK: yes. all the 8 clients
[18:39] <RoyK> nothing in the server logs either?
[18:40] <Mkools> Hello, I am confused where is my CATALINA_HOME because /usr/share/tomcat6 and var/lib/tomcat5 both contains webaaps directory and when I do sudo mkdir $CATALINA_HOME/xyz it makes directory in / . Please help
[18:40] <shrini> RoyK: what logs to look on server?
[18:40] <RoyK> /var/log/messages should have it
[18:40] <RoyK> or dmesg
[18:42] <shrini> svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97)
[18:42] <shrini> RoyK: this error in /var/log/messeges in server
[18:42] <RoyK> does the timestamp match any time of problem?
[18:44] <shrini> dmesg also says the same
[18:44] <shrini> timestamp is different
[18:45] <RoyK> dmesg timestamps are seconds from reboot - see /proc/uptime for the current
[18:46] <shrini> ya
[18:46] <shrini> RoyK: it shows in same time
[18:46] <RoyK> did anything happen at that time?
[18:47] <shrini> RoyK: nothing happens
[18:48] <RoyK> no idea about that error message - sorry
[18:48] <shrini> RoyK: its okey
[18:48] <shrini> thanks a lot
[18:48] <shrini> svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service
[18:49] <shrini> getting this errror
[18:49] <shrini> on restarting nfs
[18:51] <dominicdinada> Can someone help me with setting up a wireless access point via server i read the howto and it keeps killing connectivity when i try to do so
[18:51] <RoyK> shrini: I don't think it's related to the error you're seeing
[18:51] <shrini> RoyK: hmmm
[18:53] <RoyK> check sar when this problem occurs again
[18:53] <jpwatts> how does one add a new --suite option to the vmbuilder command? i had a 9.10 server and wanted to install a 10.04 vm
[18:53] <RoyK> might be i/o load
[18:53] <jpwatts> this time i just upgraded the server, but it'll come up again when 10.10 is released
[19:03] <Mkools> Can any one help/
[19:05] <jayki> was dein prob?
[19:10] <Mkools> jayki: Are you talking to me?
[19:12] <RoyK> Mkools: it'd be nice if you just asked with an explaination of your problem :)
[19:14] <jayki> yes thats what i mean,i have the probnlem to change between a german ubuntu channel to an english one xD
[19:14] <Mkools> RoyK: I wanted to deploy a war file on my host(which I added in server.xml, is name of my private dns).
[19:14] <Mkools> for that where should I copy sample.war in /usr/share/tomcat6/webapps or /var/lib/tomcat6/webapps
[19:15] <jayki> i don?t know anything about this ,sorry
[19:15] <Mkools> Because when I do mkdir in $CATALINA_HOME no where does directory is created.
[19:15] <pmatulis> can someone recommend a decent command line bitorrent client (useful for a server?)
[19:17] <RoyK> pmatulis: transmission-cli works for me
[19:18] <pmatulis> RoyK: nice, thx
[19:19] <RoyK> Mkools: I think that might be a good question for the #tomcat folks
[19:51]  * RoyK points Pirate_Hunter to the pirate bay
[19:51] <Pirate_Hunter> RoyK, original I like, I like :D
[19:55] <elnur> What is the best option for a DNS server if I'm doing it for the first time?
[20:13] <jrwren> elnur: bind9 IMO.  its been around so long there are lots of great docs
[20:27] <thesheff17> anyone using squid to serve a web site w/ apache as the backend?
[20:31] <Jeeves_> Haven't done so in a long time.
[20:31] <Jeeves_> what's the issue?
[20:32] <thesheff17> about squid?
[20:33] <alvin> Is there a command to activate disks? A server here has 3 disks. Yesterday it saw only 2, today only one. I lost 2 disks (they were not mounted). Can't see them with fdisk. Is there a way to rescan?
[20:33] <alvin> disregard that. Was looking at the wrong server. Only lost one disk
[20:34] <alvin> and found it. (lost it in a RAID set. It's still there)
[20:36] <Italian_Plumber> would this post be better in a different category? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9288222
[20:42] <enav> hi all
[20:43] <thesheff17> it sounds like the drive may be faulty
[20:44] <thesheff17> or the controller on the board maybe
[20:52] <Italian_Plumber> well the controller isn't on the board it's on a PCI expansion card.
[20:52] <thesheff17> have you tried a different card?
[20:52] <Italian_Plumber> but "faulty drive" is what I'm starting to think too
[20:53] <Italian_Plumber> I have not tried a different card, but I have tried a different drive.  Different drive was fine.
[20:53] <thesheff17> so another drive had no issues?  I would get the drive tools from there site and test.
[20:53] <Italian_Plumber> The 30 window to return the drive has passed, unfortunately
[20:54] <thesheff17> hehe everyone asks me what hard drives I buy...I say which ever ones come with the 5 year warranty
[20:54] <thesheff17> there should be a warranty from the company that makes it
[20:54] <thesheff17> at least a 1 year or 3 years usually
[20:54] <thesheff17> 5 years is harder to find.
[20:54] <thesheff17> usually you don't even have to talk to anyone anymore to get a drive RMA
[20:55] <alvin> thesheff17, Italian_Plumber: The drive is in perfect working order. I just hit bug 27037 on the upgrade to Lucid. I just finished the whole report.
[20:55] <thesheff17> and if you put down a cc you they will even ship you one while yours is getting shipped back
[20:55] <alvin> Unfortunately, it was a RAID0 (yes, I do have backups and it doens't contain important data)
[20:56] <thesheff17> yea I try not use mdadm anymore
[20:56] <thesheff17> I have had problems w/ crashing in the past
[20:56] <alvin> I was able to restore the raid to a working state by stopping the array (and the wrong array) and reassembling
[20:56] <aoeuhtns> thesheff17, what do you use instead?
[20:56] <alvin> The (very old) bug still stands of course. This shouldn't happen
[20:56] <thesheff17> use multiple drives w/ rsync
[20:57] <thesheff17> not the best but works
[20:57] <thesheff17> or buy a hardware raid card
[20:57] <aoeuhtns> I've had mdadm drop a disk from a mirror once, but I stuck it back in, it reassembled, and (apparently) there were no other issues
[20:57] <thesheff17> yea I must have gotten a lot of bad hard drives from western digital....I replaced 3 of them already....out of 4 in a RAID5
[20:58] <alvin> Expensive raid cards have never given me trouble. Cheap ones fail.
[20:58] <enav> thesheff17: dude western digital  is the sh***
[20:58] <thesheff17> the last time I had it running I did an ls in a directory and it gave me an I/O error...rebooted and was never able to assemble the raid array again
[20:58] <alvin> The RAID0 was meant to speed up disk I/O for virtual machines
[20:58] <thesheff17> very frustrating
[20:59] <alvin> ZRAID is ways better. One day we'll have something like that I imagine.
[20:59] <thesheff17> yea that is why I try to avoid mdadm unless I'm running RAID1 only
[21:00] <Italian_Plumber> thesheff17: I'm not sure you and I are having the same problem...
[21:01] <alvin> Hmm, I can find more similar bug reports on Launchpad. Lots of Lucid
[21:09] <Italian_Plumber> thesheff17: what makes you say that my drive is in perfect workingn order?
[21:09] <thesheff17> I didn't say that
[21:10] <thesheff17> I would replace the drive
[21:10] <Italian_Plumber> oh... you're right... my bad. :)
[21:11] <alvin> I said my drive was in perfect working order. (it is. I just started some virtual machines from it)
[21:12] <alvin> Now, on another machine I want to install libvirt-bin, but not autostart it because it leaks memory. How can I do this with the new init system?
[21:12] <enav> is a good idea to implant a web server inside a virtualbox machine????
[21:13] <alvin> enav: If it doesn't need heavy I/O (most web servers don't), yes.
[21:13] <alvin> Ah, virtualbox
[21:13] <alvin> I thought virtualisation in general
[21:14] <alvin> Virtualbox, while a great product, is more meant for what is called 'desktop virtualisation'
[21:14] <alvin> Ubuntu supports kvm and that cloud thing
[21:15] <enav> actually im running my first Web server inside a virtualmachine on my desktop and runs pretty well.. but i need to do some stress test to decide if i'm going  to place the final server inside a Virrtualmachine or a real one
[21:24] <thesheff17> alvin what version of ubuntu?  I use update-rc.d to machine init scripts
[21:25] <thesheff17> enav: yes I have tons of web servers in virtual machines
[21:25] <alvin> thesheff17: lucid
[21:26] <alvin> That doesn't work on upstart scripts, does it?
[21:26] <thesheff17> I don't think so
[21:26] <thesheff17> update-rc.d libvirt-bin remove
[21:27] <thesheff17> it has something about can't remove try w/ -f to force it
[21:27] <thesheff17> is upstart replacing init scripts?
[21:27] <enav> thesheff17  everything works like a charm???... i thin run a web server inside a virtualmachine  is pretty flexible idea... btw i'm a real noob so i cant  make a good affirmation about webservers and virtualmachines under desktop environments
[21:27] <alvin> yes
[21:28] <thesheff17> hehe I have apache2/tomcat/jboss all running in a virtual machine env w/ kvm
[21:28] <thesheff17> for my company
[21:28] <thesheff17> for staging env
[21:29] <thesheff17> even my mysql failover machine is running inside a kvm.
[21:29] <thesheff17> for production
[21:29] <thesheff17> alvin: ug well I have millions of scripts that use /etc/init.d/
[21:30] <enav> thesheff17 that sounds really cool for me
[21:30] <alvin> thesheff17: Yes. I believe it is the intension that they should be replaced
[21:30] <enav> thesheff17 i have 5 weeks to take the final decision
[21:30] <alvin> s/intension/intention
[21:34] <thesheff17> yea I have been running kvm since 9.04 and have a bunch of 9.10 all running 8.04 LTS inside them
[21:34] <thesheff17> now need to start testing Eucalyptus all w/ 10.04
[21:44] <thesheff17> has anyone ran squid in front of apache ?
[21:49] <jfb_h2o> hello, I was accidentally disconnected from ssh while doing apt-get upgrade, now I get a problem because I can get a lock
[21:49] <jfb_h2o> any ideas on how to deal with this?
[21:51] <jfb_h2o> is it safe to remove /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[22:19] <dominicdinada> Need help with setting my wireless into master mode
[22:20] <Technoviking> getting this error install Simpana backup software from CommVault Installing startup scripts in /etc/init.d ...FAILED. in Ubuntu 10.04
[22:20] <Technoviking> is there a way yo make 10.04 work with programs needing /etc/init.d still?
[22:22] <ahasenack> is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/+archive/ppa abandoned? There are no karmic or lucid packages
[22:22] <ahasenack> I need a newer version because the current one in lucid doesn't recognize the ap-southeast-1 region
[22:23] <dominicdinada> sudo echo zd1211rw >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[22:23] <dominicdinada> -bash: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf: Permission denied
[22:23] <dominicdinada> diabolical@diabolical-fs:/etc/modprobe.d$
[22:24] <dominicdinada> how the heck can it fail with permission denied when im logged in under root
[22:24] <ahasenack> if you mean that sudo bit, actually only the echo command is being run as root
[22:25] <ahasenack> not the redirection
[22:26] <dominicdinada> ok how should i add it to blacklist then?
[22:26] <erichammond> ahasenack: This is slightly more up to date (for Karmic, but still no Lucid): https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/+archive/ec2-tools?field.series_filter=karmic
[22:26] <erichammond> ahasenack: smoser is the right person to ask
[22:27] <ahasenack> erichammond: thanks
[22:27] <ahasenack> latest version is 49953
[22:27] <ahasenack> (ami-tools)
[22:29] <smoser> ahasenack, the version in lucid is latest "publically released" version
[22:30] <smoser> so that ppa doesn't have anything newer
[22:30] <ahasenack> smoser: I got 49953 from http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry!default.jspa?categoryID=88&externalID=368&fromSearchPage=true
[22:30] <ahasenack> smoser: and then was able to upload a bundle to the ap region
[22:30] <smoser> there is a more recent "enable ap-southeast-1" version that i just discovered tonight.
[22:30] <ahasenack> smoser: I don't know which version started supporting this region, though
[22:31] <erichammond> smoser: What should people running Hardy or Karmic do to use the latest AMI tools?
[22:31] <dominicdinada> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/MasterMode i got the driver and blacklisted the zd1211rw but any other instructions send me to pages dont exist what am i missing
[22:32] <smoser> Support for EC2 API version 2009-10-31: Amazon EC2 in the Northern California Region (us-west-1)
[22:32] <smoser> basically, i was unaware of that until tonight.
[22:32] <smoser> they dont "release" anything in any sane mechanism
[22:33] <smoser> one just has to notice that the url is different.
[22:33] <smoser> so anwyay
[22:33] <smoser> we'll get those packaged and into the backports ppa for hardy, karmic, lucid
[22:33] <smoser> ahasenack, what exactly are you trying to do that doesn't work ?
[22:33] <smoser> i think only migrate image ends up needing it
[22:37] <erichammond> I think I recently migrated AMIs to ap-southeast-1 using the current ec2-ami-tools in Karmic.
[22:39] <smoser> erichammond, i dont think that would work. but i could be wrog.
[22:39] <smoser> i basically gave up on migrate image
[22:39] <erichammond> smoser: I would have been using Amazon's Fedora 8 kernels.
[22:41] <erichammond> smoser: In one of Amazon's ami-tools releases they changed migrate to do good guessing at the AKI+ARI based on the bucket/key names.
[22:42] <dominicdinada> !slapd
[22:43] <dominicdinada> what the hell
[22:43] <dominicdinada> !ldap
[22:43] <dominicdinada> !ladp
[22:53] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ping?
[22:58] <smoser> ahasenack, i put a build into my ppa
[22:59] <smoser> of the latest. you can give it a quick try
[22:59] <smoser> it still has to build
[23:10] <smoser> ahasenack, https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+archive/ppa/+packages
[23:13] <thesheff17> has anyone had end/home stop working with lucid vim?
[23:45] <trimeta> I tried using add-apt-repository to add a ppa to my Lucid server, but it said command not found; what package do I need to install to get it?
[23:50] <RoAkSoAx> trimeta, python-software-properties


[00:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pip (focal-proposed/universe) [20.0.2-5ubuntu1.3 => 20.0.2-5ubuntu1.4] (no packageset)
[07:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-settings (focal-proposed/main) [20.04.5 => 20.04.6] (ubuntu-desktop)
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected evolution-data-server [source] (focal-proposed) [3.36.5-0ubuntu1]
[07:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evolution-data-server (focal-proposed/main) [3.36.4-0ubuntu1 => 3.36.5-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[08:40] <juliank> Laney: it seems a lot of xenial arm64 tests fail with grub-install: error: relocation 0x113 is not implemented yet; wondering if we should work around that somehow, e.g. by uninstalling grub
[08:41] <juliank> Laney: hang on, they worked a day earlier
[08:42] <Laney> is that a fail fail or a temp fail?
[08:43] <juliank> those seem to fail fail as /unknown
[08:45] <Laney> hmm
[08:47] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, could you check what's going on there? lp 1923267 the gjs update was accepted as a SRU in hirsute-proposed but seems it vanished from there?
[08:47] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1923267 in gjs (Ubuntu Hirsute) "Gjs promises on Gio.File operations don't work anymore after upgrading libglib2.0-0 2.67.5-2 to 2.68.0-1 (and indicator-multiload app broke)" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923267
[08:47] <seb128> it's in impish only now?!
[08:48] <seb128> hum
[08:48] <seb128> Deleted on 2021-04-23 by Iain Lane
[08:48] <seb128> moved to impish-proposed
[08:48] <juliank> Laney: I see in journal also that "Flavor m1.large could not be found." on  bos01 for arm64, causing a bunch of errors
[08:48] <seb128> Laney, ^ could you check what happened to that SRU?
[08:49] <Laney> seb128: Copy it back. We don't have a good way to tell which pre release uploads should be kept, so it's guess work and sometimes we guess wrong
[08:49] <Laney> juliank: umm yeah, can you check that? if true, get IS to create it
[08:49] <juliank> on it
[08:49] <seb128> Laney, so pocket copy from impish?
[08:49] <Laney> looks like bos* just went down though
[08:49] <Laney> seb128: yeah
[08:49] <juliank> openstack flavor list is either slow or timing out
[08:50] <Laney> yeah, wait for the cloud to come back
[08:50] <Laney> :/
[08:50] <seb128> Laney, you don't have a command line in your backlog handy to share so I don't have to figure out the parameters to use again? ;)
[08:50] <Laney> seb128: I shared it to Rik_Mills the other day so it's probably in here, one second
[08:50] <juliank> sweet waiting time
[08:51] <Laney> #ubuntu-release.log-20210427.gz:26/04 10:24:01 <Laney> copy-package --from=ubuntu --to=ubuntu --include-binaries --from-suite=impish-proposed --to-suite=hirsute-proposed gwenview
[08:51] <seb128> Laney, thanks!
[08:51] <Laney> juliank: follow along in the outage channel!
[08:51] <seb128> I wonder also if there is some sort of query I could do to get a list of potential other SRUs we lost
[08:52] <Laney> you could probably find the last proposed-migration run before I did that in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses/
[08:52] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[08:53] <seb128> Laney, last question on that, any idea of tweaks we could do the process or archive opening to avoid it happens again in futur cycles?
[08:54] <Laney> I don't know, we have a trello board 'devel unapproved', maybe that could be used somehow, but not super sure atm
[08:54] <rbasak> In that particular case, was there a bug reference with a verification-{needed,done}-hirsute tag? Would filtering on that have helped, if we had appropriate scripting to do it?
[08:54] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kpZGJVVjFp/
[08:54] <Laney> that's the list by the way
[08:54] <seb128> rbasak, yes we have a bug with proper tags
[08:55] <rbasak> I think maybe the difficulty could be reduced to things still in unapproved then maybe?
[08:55] <seb128> bug #1923267
[08:55] <ubot3> Bug 1923267 in gjs (Ubuntu Hirsute) "Gjs promises on Gio.File operations don't work anymore after upgrading libglib2.0-0 2.67.5-2 to 2.68.0-1 (and indicator-multiload app broke)" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923267
[08:55] <Laney> I'm sure scripting could help, but I was starting from dists/
[08:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gjs (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.67.2-2ubuntu1 => 1.67.2-2ubuntu2] (desktop-core, desktop-extra, i386-whitelist, mozilla) (sync)
[08:55] <Laney> so LP bugs aren't really super easily available there
[08:56] <rbasak> What do you mean by "starting from dists/"?
[08:57] <Laney> That's what I used to list -proposed (grep-dctrl). That would need to be input to another script or something which can figure out whatever it is there is to figure out.
[08:57] <Laney> Or instead the script could list proposed itself. Just saying, I wasn't using the LP API at all to do this.
[08:57] <rbasak> I see - thanks.
[08:59] <Laney> juliank: it was funny, I was literally in the middle of typing shell commands on the lxd-armhf machines when they went down
[08:59] <Laney> don't think I've caught an outage that live before :D
[09:00] <juliank> Laney: heh
[09:02] <Laney> is there a way to send ~. to an inner ssh btw?
~~.?
[09:02] <rbasak> IOW, ~~ is the escape for ~
[09:02]  * Laney tries
[09:02] <Laney> yes! thanks
[09:06] <Laney> juliank: back
[09:06]  * juliank lists flavors
[09:07] <juliank> keystone still seems down
[09:07] <Laney> nah
[09:07] <Laney> it's probably that bug where if you source one file first and then another you can't use the cloud
[09:07] <Laney> quit and go back in
[09:09] <juliank> Laney: I only ever sourced that one file :D
[09:10] <juliank> Laney: now it works
[09:10] <juliank> m1.large is there
[09:10] <juliank> maybe it was the cloud going down that caused the error
[09:10] <Laney> anything is possible in the wonderful world of openstack
[09:10] <Laney> got to say it would have been surprising if the flavor didn't exist
[09:14] <juliank> Laney: I wonder if I should try reinstating the port cleanup in cleanup-instances
[09:14] <juliank> We only kept copy-security-group, and it should be enough - at least if the worker restarts
[09:15] <juliank> maybe the worker should purge all ports in its security group before starting a job too
[09:18] <juliank> I think workers are down<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Job<EMAIL_ADDRESS>failed with result 'dependency'.
[09:18] <Laney> yeah I'm running the maintenance thingy
[09:18] <Laney> I dunno if the port thing we're seeing atm is stray ports, did you confirm that?
[09:18] <Laney> I think it's something quotaish on our new users
[09:19] <juliank> Laney: I haven't checked, need to write a script and run it I suppose
[09:40] <Laney> there's still something wrong in Boston
[09:40] <Laney> I'm trying to get IS to help out
[10:00] <Laney> (without much success so far, it must be said)
[10:02] <juliank> I'm digging into bootloader stuff :/
[10:19] <xnox> the bootloader stuff https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1926748
[10:19] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1926748 in grub2 (Ubuntu Xenial) "regression in xenial updates - grub2 cannot handle new arm64 relocations" [Undecided, New]
[10:24] <Laney> huh
[11:01] <xnox> hoping that one patch will do it; cause the other relocations need 13 patches =(
[11:06] <xnox> regression-updates can we please downgrade grub2 grub2-unsigned grub-signed from xenial-updates to xenial-proposed please? as otherwise upgrades are broken on aws ec2 arm64.
[11:06] <xnox> !regression-alert
[11:06] <xnox> !regression
[11:06]  * xnox is not sure what the bot command is
[11:07] <xnox> Laney:  ^^^^
[11:09] <sil2100> Ok, on it
[11:10] <xnox> sil2100:  tah.
[11:10] <sil2100> (I don't think we have highlights on this btw. ;) )
[11:10]  * sil2100 feels like he is reverting stuff all the time this week
[11:10] <xnox> sil2100:  and previous grub2 & grub2-signed need to put back into xenial-updates, as you obviously know.
[11:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (groovy-proposed/main) [15.2.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 15.2.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[11:15] <Ukikie> xnox: That first one used to be a factoid, but someone deleted it.
[11:15] <xnox> Ukikie:  cool. thanks.
[11:16] <jamespage> hi ubuntu-sru - I've just uploaded new ceph versions to focal and groovy proposed - one of the cherry picks included in the last uploads for SRU did not actually fix a UX issue
[11:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (focal-proposed/main) [15.2.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 15.2.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:16] <xnox> sil2100: will go get lunch/coffee and then will test proposed fixed, hopefully we might be able to have a fixed up grub2 sru for xenial-proposed for arm64 at least.
[11:16] <jamespage> so I've elected to drop that patch from the other SRU's in flight so we can move forwards
[11:18] <sil2100> ACK o/
[11:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (xenial-updates/main) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.31 => 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.29] (core) (sync)
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [sync] (xenial-updates) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.29]
[11:23] <sil2100> xnox: ok, old versions deleted from -updates, still present in -proposed, old versions copied over to -updates (hopefully the correct ones)
[11:24] <sil2100> I hope it's all good regarding signing bits
[11:24] <sil2100> I'll go grab a bite now as well and then take a look if all is good
[11:26] <xnox> also confused how come we have released xenial ahead of bionic.
[11:26] <xnox> and will double check that bionic is not affected otherwise.
[11:49] <sil2100> xnox: the reason was that xenial goes ESM today
[11:50] <sil2100> I mean, Steve probably should have released both bionic and xenial at this point, but now I'm happy he didn't
[11:50] <sil2100> Since we have the liberty of just checking this without rush
[12:22] <xnox> i feel like i don't even know how computers work => none of the commands on xenial work for me, and i have to look up old syntax for all the things. Even like debuild.
[12:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted google-cloud-sdk [sync] (xenial-release) [335.0.0-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[12:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (xenial-proposed/main) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.31 => 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32] (core)
[12:52] <xnox> sil2100:  juliank: please review http://launchpadlibrarian.net/536308504/grub2_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.31_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32.diff.gz on amazon ec2 arm64 xenial instance that fixes things for me.
[13:48] <sil2100> xnox: looking
[13:59] <sil2100> xnox: ok, I don't know much about these parts of grub2 but upload seems sane - from the SRU POV I guess I'd like if it was built with -v to include the previous version and hm, possible since this is to go to -security, maybe actually building it in a security pocket first? Or something
[14:00] <xnox> sil2100:  -v & security is a must
[14:00] <xnox> sil2100: please reject.
[14:01] <xnox> sil2100:  re what this does "it reimplements binutils in grub basically, because it is like lets take these elf objects which are grub .mod modules and lets assemble a core.efi pe/coff binary out of it" it is black magic in binutils, and more so, in grub2. So this is an upstream cherrypick.
[14:08] <xnox> sil2100:  there is also shim signing to review in impish unapproved https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/impish/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=shim
[14:09] <xnox> sil2100:  the shim-signed with MS signature is already in impish-proposed (ftbfs, as it is waiting on shim signing to be approved)
[14:15] <xnox> sil2100:  rebuilding grub in bileto
[14:18] <juliank> xnox: do you have a ppa? I spent some time building myself to realize that I don't have a local reproducer for the linking issue
[14:18] <juliank> xnox: but I can rerun failed autopkgtest in the cloud
[14:18] <Laney> when did the autopkgtests catch it? like when it needed dist-upgrading in the base system?
[14:18] <juliank> [NEEDSBUILD] Needs building Cancel build
[14:18] <Laney> not in an actual triggered test, right?
[14:18] <juliank> Start in 2 hours
[14:19] <juliank> Laney: all the tests triggered by python-apt yesterday-today/last night
[14:19] <juliank> Laney: They all upgrade first, get grub 2.04 which was released yesterday, and then fail
[14:19] <Laney> yeah
[14:20] <Laney> so I guess the question is how can we catch this in a real test triggered by the actual upload
[14:20] <Laney> so it doesn't get released
[14:21] <xnox> juliank:  it's building
[14:22] <juliank> Laney: grub must get an autopkgtest, consisting just of Depends
[14:22] <xnox> juliank:  i built in amazon ec2 xenial arm64 instance; and tested there.
[14:22] <juliank> Laney: and true as test case
[14:22] <xnox> normal apt upgrade failed to configure grub; but manual call to ./grub-install from the built package worked
[14:22] <juliank> Laney: Ok, optimally you do want to run grub-install :D
[14:23] <juliank> But in the cloud as we have it now, it will fail either way
[14:23] <xnox> but i guess it will not build on arm64 https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4545/+build/21482739 because all builders are borked with that grub2?
[14:23] <xnox> juliank:  do you want me to build the package in amazon cloud and give you the debs?
[14:24] <juliank> xnox: do the builders build on bare (virtual) metal, and not in a chroot?
[14:24] <xnox> juliank:  well we reverted grub from xenial-updates so all the vms should be fine now?
[14:24] <juliank> If they build in a chroot, they should be fine
[14:24] <xnox> juliank:  i think it's chroot, on a VM
[14:24] <juliank> that should be fine either way
[14:24] <xnox> but like some arm64 builders look dead https://launchpad.net/builders
[14:26] <Laney> bos02 is looking really bad from where I'm sitting, independent of the grub2 stuff
[14:28] <xnox> cool.
[14:29] <Laney> (and bos01, but that's not relevant for launchpad builds)
[14:29] <juliank> fun outages
[14:32] <Laney> like https://ubuntu-release.kpi.ubuntu.com/d/76Oe_0-Gz/autopkgtest?orgId=1 check the middle two, doesn't look great]
[14:36] <Laney> separately there's a lot of instance reboot failures in this latest set of linux tests
[14:36] <Laney> in impish
[14:37] <sil2100> xnox: looking!
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2 [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32]
[14:42] <Laney> everything is baddddddd
[14:47] <sil2100> Everything is terrible
[14:48] <Laney> let's all moan together
[14:51] <juliank> sigh madness
[14:56]  * xnox has "Everything is awesome" in my head now, as sung by cjwatson
[14:57] <Laney> checking if something in impish-proposed is bad
[14:57] <Laney> there's lots of suspicious things in there :D
[14:58] <Laney> today I am thankful for lxd VMs
[15:08] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5VZVg7F8z4/
[15:13] <xnox> sil2100:  so it looks like my grub2 xenial sru will not build today, so we shall come back to it like on tuesday. (bank holiday here in the uk)
[15:14] <xnox> sil2100: vorlon: or if https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4545/+packages finishes building feel free to binary copy that into xenial-proposed.
[15:14]  * xnox checks if i uploaded it with the right -v, i think i did not.
[15:14] <xnox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/536318662/grub2_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32_source.changes => i did not
[15:14]  * xnox facepalm
[15:16] <vorlon> xnox: why are you building this in bileto instead of just uploading to -proposed?
[15:17] <vorlon> binary copies from bileto are annoying
[15:18] <vorlon> xnox: and you say "if it finishes building" but it's ftbfs already on arm64 and ppc64el?
[15:19] <Laney> vorlon: I think your initramfs-tools is bad, it seems to break booting somehow https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5VZVg7F8z4/
[15:19] <vorlon> Laney: caught by autopkgtests?
[15:21] <Laney> vorlon: sort of, yes
[15:21] <vorlon> k
[15:21] <vorlon> I'll look into it, thanks
[15:21] <Laney> I noticed that all-proposed runs are failing to reboot
[15:21] <vorlon> ah
[15:21] <Laney> and then bisected until I found that
[15:21] <Laney> so I think we should drop it in the meantime
[15:21] <vorlon> ack
[15:21] <Laney> you want to do that, or me?
[15:22] <vorlon> I will
[15:22] <Laney> cheers
[15:22] <Laney> also, separately, I've seen that the boston clouds are kinda unhappy, lots of keystone errors and timeouts in lxd
[15:23] <Laney> I've not managed to get IS to bite properly yet (think it's affecting buildds too)
[15:23] <Laney> so if you want to track that it would be helpful; I'll be EODing in 90 minuts
[15:25] <xnox> vorlon:  ftbfs without any build-logs..... cause bos02 is sad
[15:29] <vorlon> Laney: ugh it's the damn +x bit being dropped from init again by MoM; I remembered this issue and tried to check for missing +x bits but apparently I mistakenly looked only in the debian/ subdir
[15:30] <Laney> urgh :(
[15:30] <vorlon> reuploaded
[15:30] <Laney> cheers for the quick fix
[15:30] <vorlon> xnox: and now https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4545/+packages has disappeared?
[15:32] <xnox> vorlon:  because wrong -v, so uploaded to 4546
[15:32] <vorlon> instead of just uploading to the archive
[15:32] <xnox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/536325290/grub2_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32_source.changes => looks better
[15:32] <xnox> vorlon:  must be built against -security pocket
[15:33] <vorlon> hmm ok
[15:33] <vorlon> build scores adjusted
[15:36] <vorlon> hmm why are the -proposed links all broken on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[15:57] <sil2100> seb128 merged some changes that I think could have caused this
[16:50] <vorlon> sil2100: yeah I don't see anything in seb128's diff that obviously explains; I guess I'll dig
[17:02] <Laney> I'm out - hopefully the clouds get fixed so we can make queue progress over the weekend ...
[17:43] <seb128> vorlon, I can check if it's my changes
[17:44] <seb128> vorlon, ah, I see a typo in there, let me try with that fixed
[17:45] <seb128>             sru_item['url'] = rpkg['proposed'] = pkgurl + rpkg['proposed']
[17:50] <seb128> vorlon, sil2100, sorry for the inconvenience, I pushed a fix
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (focal-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: resource-agents [amd64] (impish-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: resource-agents [s390x] (impish-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: resource-agents [arm64] (impish-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[18:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: resource-agents [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[18:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: resource-agents [armhf] (impish-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[18:57] <vorlon> seb128: aha, cheers!
[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pip (bionic-proposed/universe) [9.0.1-2.3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 9.0.1-2.3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: resource-agents [riscv64] (impish-proposed/main) [1:4.7.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (xenial-proposed/main) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.31 => 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32] (core) (sync)
[19:33] <kanashiro> I'd appreciate if any AA could process resource-agents in impish NEW queue :)
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [sync] (xenial-proposed) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32]
[19:36] <vorlon> xnox: ^^ accepted
[20:11] <vorlon> xnox: how did shim migrate to impish release without corresponding shim-signed?
[20:13] <vorlon> hmm I guess we no longer have a dep on unsigned shim package, right
[20:20] <vorlon> xnox: why did https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/1.47/+build/21482148 download from impish-proposed but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/1.47/+build/21482149 download from impish?!
[21:49] <xnox> vorlon:  because it checks apt where the candidate for shim is at, and downloads from there. now that shim is not in -proposed anymore it downloads from release
[21:50] <xnox> vorlon:  but what is more confusing is that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/1.47/+build/21482149 downloads current and gets ubuntu1; wheres when i download the same url from ftpmaster.internal from people.canonical.com i get ubuntu2 signed tarball.
[21:50] <xnox> vorlon:  it's as if arm64 bos02 builders see some different ftpmaster.internal?!
[21:50] <xnox> i don't know if I should ping #launchpad people but not over labor weekened :/
[21:50] <xnox> let me try #is
[21:52] <vorlon> yes, I don't know what's going on there >_<
[22:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (focal-proposed/restricted) [340.108-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 340.108-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[22:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: oss4 (focal-proposed/universe) [4.2-build2010-5ubuntu6~20.04.1 => 4.2-build2010-5ubuntu6~20.04.2] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r8168 (focal-proposed/multiverse) [8.048.00-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 8.048.00-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sysdig (focal-proposed/universe) [0.26.4-1ubuntu0.2 => 0.26.4-1ubuntu0.3] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox-hwe (focal-proposed/multiverse) [6.1.16-dfsg-6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 6.1.16-dfsg-6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (focal-proposed/main) [0.8.3-1ubuntu12.8 => 0.8.3-1ubuntu12.9] (core, kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rtl8812au (focal-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>75.20140902+dfsg-0ubuntu13~20.04.1 => <IP_ADDRESS>75.20140902+dfsg-0ubuntu13~20.04.2] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox (focal-proposed/multiverse) [6.1.16-dfsg-6~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 6.1.16-dfsg-6~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms, ubuntu-cloud) (sync)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: v4l2loopback (focal-proposed/universe) [0.12.3-1ubuntu0.3 => 0.12.3-1ubuntu0.4] (kernel-dkms) (sync)
[22:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (xenial-proposed/main) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32 => 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.32] (core) (sync)
[22:13] <xnox> all of the above is from me =)
[22:22] <vorlon> kanashiro_: so your resource-agents package split mentions resource-agents-common as a base for both supported and unsupported agents, but I only see an addition of resource-agents-supported, no corresponding -unsupported package?
[22:22] <vorlon> thus I'm confused at the split
[22:24] <vorlon> also resource-agents-supported breaks/replaces old resource-agents, but new resource-agents doesn't depend on resource-agents-supported, so this agent (there seems to be only one) disappears on upgrade?
[22:34] <sergiodj> vorlon: not Lucas, but I was involved in the review of this change.  there's no corresponding -unsupported package; it is implicit that the resource-agents will contain everything that is not in the -supported package, thus being the unsupported version
[22:35] <vorlon> weird but ok?
[22:35] <sergiodj> yeah :)
[22:35] <vorlon> sergiodj: in that case, why does the unsupported package not depend on the supported one, for upgrades?
[22:36] <sergiodj> vorlon: I don't know offhand, sorry
[22:37] <sergiodj> I mean, they're two separate packages, and the user can install just one or the other
[22:39] <sergiodj> but maybe I misunderstood your question


 @tsimonq2 [@kc2bez ^ are you on the same page as wxl in terms of understanding the new docu …], I will read through it. Current status: at a wedding. I don't know hardly anyone here though so reading through the chat.
[00:06] <wxl> hahahahahah
 me
[00:06] <wxl> are you playing the role of owen wilson, vince vaughn, or christopher walken?
[00:07] <wxl> probably not walken. that wouldn't make sense
 XD
 I am just hiding in the corner for the most part. We are outside in a tent and it is 90+ so I have nearly melted.
[01:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL154e0ff8d394: Add scrolling beyond page to change page] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL154e0ff8d394
[01:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8a37b5f8a1b4: Add Quit keyboard shortcut] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8a37b5f8a1b4
[01:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb5b061fd6db9: Add track recently used checkboxes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb5b061fd6db9
[01:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc5ab12822130: Add qpdfview keep recent closed] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc5ab12822130
[01:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALee18121475be: Add synchornize outline view checkbox] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALee18121475be
 wxl: why the debian/control for nm-tray is different in sid that in our phab? The difference I'm pointing out is the "depends" on sid there is network-manager and  qterminal, in phab none
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/nm-tray/browse/ubuntu%252Feoan/debian/control
 https://salsa.debian.org/lxqt-team/nm-tray/blob/debian/sid/debian/control
[09:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1460
[19:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa17ba19ebc13: Add expand all to outline] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa17ba19ebc13
[19:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL93798e2b20a4: Add collapse all] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL93798e2b20a4
[20:11] <wxl> desktop number indicator added to panel as an alternative to the desktop switcher widget https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1717#event-2498001402
[20:12] <wxl> lxqt-globalkeys is now xdg capable! https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/pull/123#event-2497990929
 wxl: did you saw my question here https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNMTRAYPACKAGING1bc4f5406954093d6967a9482aea74b4338981ab
[20:18] <wxl> getting there
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T90: Bionic locker should be light-locker] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90#1461
[23:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5642dd0c5a2d: Add font dialog box to qterminal] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5642dd0c5a2d


[16:07] <Grock> Greetings.
[16:08] <Grock> I'm rabidly interested in ubuntu on my epic 4g touch
[16:08] <Grock> Where do I sign up to go bleeding edge and test, etc?


[03:07] <nullkuhl> hello, can i have an ubuntu cloak ?
[03:07] <rww> nullkuhl: Can you link to your Launchpad profile page, please?
[03:09] <nullkuhl> rww: sure https://launchpad.net/~null-kuhl
[03:09] <rww> nullkuhl: Ubuntu only offers cloaks to Ubuntu Members. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership for information about Membership.
[03:11] <nullkuhl> rww: allright, thansk
[19:37]  * vish wonders why !-o-ps dint trigger ubottu on -motu
[19:38] <vish> has ubottu been asked to ignore him?
[19:38] <Pici> vish: because ubottu is ignoring him
[19:38] <vish> :)
[19:38] <vish> Pici: but it will report such users in -ops ?
[19:39] <Tm_T> nope
[19:39] <vish> cool! then nice work by tsimpson :)


[04:03] <PhilKC> Is this for general issues or only for the GCJ?
[06:53] <Nafai> Hey pombred1
[07:36] <pombred1> Nafai: hi
[07:37] <Nafai> Hey.  How's it going?
[07:37] <pombreda> Nafai: fine. working late ;-)
[07:37] <pombreda> and you?
[07:37] <Nafai> I'm up late myself, should be in bed.
[07:38] <pombreda> Nafai: which time zone?
[07:38] <Nafai> What do you do for work?
[07:38] <Nafai> Central
[07:38] <pombreda> Nafai: I work for my own small biz. we do open source stuffs
[07:39] <Nafai> Cool, like what?
[07:39] <pombreda> Nafai: well mostly eclipse tsuffs, and a few java related thigies. we do consulting gigs for custom devpt...
[07:40] <Nafai> That's cool.  I'm just learning Java, starting a new job here in a couple weeks where I'm going to do some Java development
[07:40] <pombreda> :-)
[07:40] <Nafai> Thus I'm hanging out here. :)
[07:41] <pombreda> Nafai: java is decent, probably not the best language out there, but so many libs available!
[07:41] <pombreda> Nafai: that makes it acceptable
[07:41] <Nafai> Yeah.
[07:41] <Nafai> I'm trying to get used to Eclipse
[07:41] <Nafai> I haven't used anything other than Emacs for a very long time
[07:42] <pombreda> Nafai: eclipse is quite decent too ;-) imho.
[07:42] <pombreda> takes some time to get the hang of it, and emacds has still its use ;-)
[07:42] <Nafai> Yeah.
[07:42] <Nafai> I'm slowly figuring it out
[07:43] <pombreda> Nafai: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/018apr06/features/eclipse_tromey/ ... tormey is one the  committers on classpath ;-)
[07:43] <pombreda> *tromey
[07:43] <pombreda> he made the switch to eclipse from emacs:-)\
[07:43] <Nafai> I actually read that article the other night.
[07:43] <pombreda> kk
[07:43] <pombreda> sorry
[07:43] <Nafai> np
[07:44] <Nafai> Thanks for pointing it out.
[07:45] <pombreda> Nafai: sweet dreams :-)
[07:45] <Nafai> Thanks.
[07:45] <Nafai> G'Night


[16:31] <OmegAudio> Anyone have drivers for M-Audio USB Midi 2x2?
[16:32] <OmegAudio> Im using the M-Audio Midisport 2x2 and I need the driver so the computer will see it.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> That sounds wrong. If the  M-Audio Midisport 2x2 will work with the mac it should just work with linux with the standard USB 2 drivers
[16:40] <OvenWerks> What makes you think the computer doesn't "see" the audio device?
[16:42] <OmegAudio> it is not powering and MIDI signal is notpassing through.
[16:42] <OmegAudio> I didjust find er is a firmware for Midisport to load.
[16:43] <OmegAudio> I loadd the firmware using  sudo apt-get install midisport-firmware
[16:43] <OvenWerks> How does this device deal with running on a mac?
[16:43] <OmegAudio> Not sure.  The M-Audio site lists there is a driver for linux and MAC but nothin to download.
[16:44] <OmegAudio> I need to try a reboot so he new firmware oads.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> Apple has designed the mac to never load device drivers. They have rather told device manufactures that their device must meet USB2.0 specs to be used on the mac
[16:47] <OmegAudio> Thanks for he discussion on MACs.  Really helpful on a Ubuntu Studio topic.
[16:48] <OvenWerks> the reason it is important is because if a device works on a mac, then it should just work on linux/ubuntu as well
[16:49] <OvenWerks> linux uses the same method of dealing with audio devices as the mac does. (at a driver level)
[21:40] <OmegAudio> Need help getting default Audio devise set in Ubuntu Studio 18.10
[21:41] <OmegAudio> I have spent all day getting the MIDI to work with Rosegarden and it is working right now.
[21:41] <OmegAudio> Audio interface is USB Focusrite
[21:42] <OmegAudio> When I use command;  pactl list short sources I get that all audio sources are Suspended
[21:44] <OmegAudio> 0	alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo.monitor	module-alsa-card.c	s16le 2ch 44100Hz	SUSPENDED 1	alsa_input.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo	module-alsa-card.c	s16le 2ch 44100Hz	SUSPENDED
[21:45] <OmegAudio> I have older computer with Ubuntu Studio 18.4 and it was truly plug and play.
[21:46] <OmegAudio> Any direction is welcome.