[10:28] <stefg> n2diy: the only option i see is using a power plug with a timer in it. so don't switch the box off with the 'halt' command, just let it idle after the power down routine, and wait for the power timer to cut the power. when the power comes back, it should reboot
[10:28] <christopher_> cept utorrent
[10:28] <penguincentral> yeah
[10:28] <christopher_> ktorrent is just as light
[10:28] <penguincentral> but i use wine
[10:28] <SETKEH-NRNS> http://setkeh.bravehost.com/linux.htm for info on the teamspeak server i run for linux
[10:28] <Woet> How do i allow users to add me to msn @ gaim?
[10:28] <christopher_> but utorrent is slightly better
[10:28] <penguincentral> honestly, all of the linux torrent programs that i have tried have screwed me to the point that i gave up on them
[10:29] <Julz> heguru: its on a different comp so i cant paste but tell me what i should get and i can tell u
[10:29] <penguincentral> i tried utorrent on wine and it worked perfectly without a hitch
[10:29] <peter_> try ktorrent
[10:29] <penguincentral> peter_: i think i tried it and it sucked
[10:29] <MoNsTeR> anybody know why this happens , i press alt + f2 and i type avant-window-navigator and nothing pops up
[10:29] <peter_> really .....i'm liking it
[10:29] <heguru> Julz: just the type of network card, something like: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[10:29] <penguincentral> i tried azureus, qbittorrent, official bittorrent, and a few others... and they all sucked
[10:30] <n2diy> stefg: Thanks, now I'm wondering about the shutdown command? I'f I issue shutdown -r 360 would it prevent log ins, and then restart in 3 hours? I know, read man shutdown.
[10:30] <penguincentral> !hi | elkubuntu
[10:30] <ubotu> elkubuntu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[10:30] <SpiderPig> is it possible to install soulseek with 'sudo apt-get install ?
[10:30] <frostburn> penguincentral, use azureus with the latest sun jre and jar from sourceforge, it's 10x better than ubuntu's
[10:30] <t3318_> what is soulseek?
[10:30] <penguincentral> SpiderPig: you can try though
[10:30] <Hirvinen> SpiderPig: At least according to WikiPedia, Soulseek is Windows only.
[10:30] <heguru> SpiderPig: souldseek is not in the official repositories
[10:30] <christopher_> yea a nice clean desktop with firefox kopete gimp amarok xchat and synaptic on the desktop with a nice ksmoothdock on the bottom and only the system tray wich is hidden on the right is a snazzy desktop I would use as the default desktop with some georgous beryl effects
[10:31] <stefg> n2diy: never tried that, but it's quite uneconomic to let the box run without being accessible
[10:31] <Julz> heguru: surecom 54m wlan pci adapter EP-9321-g
[10:31] <Hirvinen> SpiderPig: Might work with wine though.
[10:31] <penguincentral> frostburn: i am actually very happy with utorrent, it is probably the best app to use in wine
[10:31] <christopher_> right
[10:31] <n2diy> stefg: true...
[10:31] <spiderfire> hows ktorrent?
[10:31] <Nalleman> hi. im going to make a backup of my home directory and then reinstall ubuntu. Will i have to change permissions for all files and folder in order do be able to copy them back to my home directory or delete them from my temporary driver?
[10:31] <peter_i> ktorrent works fine for me
[10:32] <peter_i> user friendly and its fast ...for me :)
[10:32] <spiderfire> Nalleman: i just copied them to another drive..but you can preserve permissions with bzip i think
[10:33] <frostburn> Nalleman, when you copy it, use $cp --preserve
[10:33] <n2diy> stefg: I like your approach now, I'll script it to shutdown, and when someone wants to turn it on, they'll have to do it.
[10:33] <heguru> Julz: wait let me check
[10:33] <MoNsTeR> anybody know why this happens , i press alt + f2 and i type avant-window-navigator and nothing pops up
[10:33] <Julz> kk
[10:33] <frostburn> Nalleman, check the man file though
[10:33] <clouder> tranmission and deluge are 2 great clients.  transmission is completely no frills light weight and deluge is a little closer to utorrent than anything else.  All in all though there is no native utorrent alt. ;/
[10:33] <Woet> How do i allow users to add me to msn @ gaim?
[10:34] <cjae_> ok how do I make ff use thunderbird to send a web link from file -> send link
[10:34] <MoNsTeR> Woet, a thing will pop up asking if you want to allow them to see yuour status and stuff
[10:34] <peter_i> you mean add your ms account in gaim?
[10:34] <Woet> i dont get the pop up :o
[10:34] <penguincentral> Woet: well, that's a problem
[10:34] <howlingmadhowie> hi everybody :) quick question. i'm trying to edit a standard ascii text in openoffice to make it look nicer and in the original, every line ends with a newline character. is there a simple way to get rid of these, so the paragraphs are formatted correctly?
[10:34] <Irreducibilis> I wonder what the Ubuntu Z series will be named.... maybe Ubuntu Zenithic Zebra?
[10:35] <arinomi> !gutsy
[10:35] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[10:35] <Irreducibilis> What will happen when you finally reach Z?
[10:36] <cjae_> Irreducibilis, think it will make it that far and if so what comes after the alphabet?
[10:36] <heguru> Julz: ok it seems like your card uses atheros chipset
[10:36] <Irreducibilis> Perhaps ze greek
[10:36] <Daverocks> GreyWolfe: i'm back, is everything going alright?
[10:36] <Irreducibilis> Ubuntu Alpha-ness
[10:36] <Woet> sshfs says "the attempt to login has failed", while i am 100% sure that the login details are ok
[10:36] <Woet> i have the host, username and password
[10:36] <Woet> how would i mount it?
[10:37] <Julz> heguru: so what do i do? sorry im a total newbie here
[10:37] <MoNsTeR> does anybody know how i can compose my screen
[10:37] <neildarlow> does anyone have any experience of the quality of .debs on getdeb.net? i was thinking of getting latest versions of kino and devede from there
[10:37] <heguru> Julz: well atheros is not a very good wireless card for linux, but people have it working
[10:38] <MoNsTeR> or will XGL and BERYL take care of that
[10:38] <heguru> Julz: i am just trying to find out if your card needs ndiswrapper or atheros native driver
[10:38] <Irreducibilis> I wonder...
[10:38] <Irreducibilis> Is there significant additions to the new slight version increses such as from 7.04 to 7.10?
[10:38] <Irreducibilis> Or would it be better to wait for something like 7.04 to 7.50?
[10:38] <Daverocks> heguru: actually atheros is very well supported on linux (madwifi etc)
[10:39] <Irreducibilis> !significant
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about significant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <Julz> heguru: thanks. it worked on live cd with the drivers installed for windows, so perhaps i can use that ndsrppr thing?
[10:39] <carlinux> bonjour
[10:39] <neildarlow> Irreducibilis: don't you mean 7.10, 8.04 or 8.10?
[10:40] <carlinux> or hellp
[10:40] <carlinux> hello
[10:40] <stefg> Irreducibilis: the version numbers indicate the release date. 7.04 -> April 2007, 7.10 -> October 2007 . so you can't tell how 'different' releases are by their version numbers
[10:40] <cjae_> ok how do I make ff use thunderbird to send a web link from file -> send link
[10:40] <carlinux> can someone help me for something please
[10:40] <heguru> Julz: how do you know it used the drivers installed for windows?
[10:40] <neildarlow> cjae_: have you configured thunderbird as default in preferred applications?
[10:41] <cjae_> neildarlow, yes
[10:41] <Woet> sshfs says "the attempt to login has failed", while i am 100% sure that the login details are ok
[10:41] <christopher_> i just thought of something cool why cant the desktops have tabs at the top of the screen much like surfing the internet has now?
[10:41] <stefg> !ask | carlinux
[10:41] <Woet> :(
[10:41] <ubotu> carlinux: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:41] <Julz> i assumed. the windows machine had the drivers installed. but this other linux one doesnt and it wont work, the only difference is the presence of the drivers...
[10:41] <christopher_> that would be very intuitive
[10:41] <n2diy> Irreducibilis: 7.50 never exsisted, and if it did it is history, that would have been released in May of 2007, but it would have been 7.05. The first number indicates the year of release, and the second the month.
[10:41] <cjae_> neildarlow, and uninstalled effieny
[10:41] <Irreducibilis> Ahhh....
[10:41] <heguru> Julz: did you go to restricted driver manager?
[10:41] <cjae_> or however you spell it
[10:42] <heguru> Julz: System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager
[10:42] <Irreducibilis> I had no clue
[10:42] <cjae_> i mean evolution neildarlow
[10:42] <christopher_> have the menu only have a button and task list be hidden away and a button combo to show it
[10:42] <it-linux> what's up carlinux?
[10:42] <cjae_> cause thats what was opening with ff before when I did that
[10:42] <arinomi>  Is it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to the testing version of Gutsy without having to reinstall and format?
[10:42] <it-linux> Hi Ubotu!!
[10:42] <n2diy> Irreducibilis: good! Your teachable! :)
[10:43] <carlinux> !ask | I need help, cause i'm using feisty 7.04 64bits on a 2.6.20-16-lowlentcy kernel and I install nvidia's drivers by using envy and there's a problem with tty
[10:43] <ubotu> I need help, cause i'm using feisty 7.04 64bits on a 2.6.20-16-lowlentcy kernel and I install nvidia's drivers by using envy and there's a problem with tty: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:43] <Irreducibilis> Is there a way to like turn off the "UAC" in ubuntu?
[10:43] <Irreducibilis> Where it keeps asking for the admin password to change things?
[10:43] <Julz> heguru: it says i dont need any restricted drivers
[10:43] <Irreducibilis> Its comparable to vista's UAC, no offence
[10:43] <stefg> !envy | carlinux
[10:43] <ubotu> carlinux: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:43] <neildarlow> cjae_: clicking a mailto: link in firefox starts thunderbird's compose window for me
[10:44] <cjae_> neildarlow, how about send link under file
[10:44] <n2diy> Irreducibilis: No, it is there to protect the computer, from you. :)
[10:44] <carlinux> ok when i do ctrl+alt+f2 it tells me user not known to the undelying module
[10:44] <stefg> arinomi: in theory yes, in practice you'll encounter difficulties, because not all transitional packages are built yet
[10:44] <Irreducibilis> n2diy: XP will let me be more "dev-like" then... it lets me do whatever
[10:44] <Irreducibilis> especially when one is knowledgeable enough to know what he is doing...
[10:44] <neildarlow> cjae_: yes, that does it too
[10:45] <carlinux> i cant log on tty
[10:45] <n2diy> Irreducibilis: Ok, I don't know, I've been Windows Free since 95.
[10:45] <cjae_> neildarlow, ok thanks
[10:45] <Woet> When i browse to /mtn/remote with terminal, it shows up fine. When i go there with ubuntu, it gives error "The attempt to login has failed"
[10:45] <Guest15726> !nohup
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nohup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <heguru> Julz: just one little problem before I can tell you what card to use. The surecom card you have comes with two different chipsets under the same model name!
[10:46] <carlinux> could someone give me a hint pls
[10:46] <locke> meh
[10:46] <locke> wtf
[10:46] <n2diy> Irreducibilis: Err, correction, the last version Of Windows I've used was 95, it survived until 2001.
[10:46] <heguru> Julz: can you check by booting the liveCD what driver is being used?
[10:47] <heguru> Julz: if you can boot into LiveCD, do that and then paste the output of command lsmod to pastebin
[10:47] <ssn> hi
[10:47] <Julz> heguru: sure. so i do it on a)the linux machine that wont recognise the card, or b) the windows machine with live cd that recognised it?
[10:48] <heguru> Julz: on the machine that recognized the card (windows machine with livecd)
[10:48] <Guest15726> does it possible to run "nohup" command without creating the nohup.out file ?
[10:48] <ssn> how do i change permissions of files on an external drive?
[10:48] <Julz> heguru: ok doing it now
[10:48] <ssn> because now, the belong to me:root
[10:48] <locke> meh?
[10:48] <locke> what?
[10:49] <ssn> i can delete them, but i am unable to change the ownership to me:me or give the group read permissions
[10:49] <Woet> When i browse to /mtn/remote with terminal, it shows up fine. When i go there with ubuntu, it gives error "The attempt to login has failed"
[10:49] <stefg> Guest15726: read about i/o redirection http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html
[10:49] <n2diy> Guest15726: nohup > null?
[10:49] <locke> hmm this is way later
[10:49] <ssn> can someone plz help me?
[10:50] <pabloz> hello all
[10:50] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: what format have you got on the external drive?
[10:50] <carlinux> !ask | when i run ps -A | grep tty , only tty7 is running, how do i can i get tty1-6 running ?
[10:50] <ubotu> when i run ps -A | grep tty , only tty7 is running, how do i can i get tty1-6 running ?: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:50] <ssn> fat32
[10:50] <damianl> i have drives that arent mounted in /media how do i add them to "computer"
[10:50] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: fat32 doesn't support permissions and ownership
[10:50] <locke> lame
[10:50] <locke> geeky quesition
[10:50] <ssn> howlingmadhowie: so why cant mpd access the mp3 files on the drive?
[10:50] <locke> i wouldnt even ask tat of anyting bu computer
[10:51] <bpssoft> Does Ubuntu work on ASUS R2H Tablet?
[10:51] <pabloz> Is somebody from poland ?
[10:51] <darkchr0n0s> damianl : use Applications --> System Tools --> NTFS configuration tools
[10:51] <Guest15726> n2diy: i want to use the nohup command without making output file does it possible ?
[10:51] <locke> GAH
[10:51] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: this means the files are owned by whoever mounted it (probably root). however, as the default user, you should be able to do whatever you want with them.
[10:51] <Woet> When i browse to /mtn/remote with terminal, it shows up fine. When i go there with ubuntu, it gives error "The attempt to login has failed"
[10:51] <locke> i lost connection to freenode
[10:51] <locke> er
[10:51] <locke> undernet i mea
[10:52] <n2diy> Guest15726: nohup > null?  Null is a nonexsistent file.
[10:52] <Bieleke> hi guys
[10:52] <bpssoft> hi
[10:52] <damianl> darkchr0n0s um what package i dont have it and btw isnt that something to do with ntfs filesystem?
[10:52] <Bieleke> my ubuntu gutsy server beta does not recognizes my network card
[10:52] <ssn> howlingmadhowie: thats right, but mpd cares about who owns the files
[10:52] <Bieleke> lspci lists it as ADMTek NC 100
[10:52] <it-linux> carlinux | could you tell me exactly what are you going to do?
[10:52] <stefg> !gutsy | Bieleke
[10:52] <ubotu> Bieleke: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[10:52] <ssn> when i try to update the mpd database, the files arent imported because of the permissions
[10:53] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: well that's rather silly of mpd. it's a pretty standard use case.
[10:53] <stefg> Bieleke: prolly it just went from eth0 to eth1
[10:53] <Bieleke> i contifured interfaces, but networking restart can't find the device
[10:53] <Guest15726> n2diy: yes
[10:53] <zanner> hello
[10:53] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: you can try unmounting the drive and then reading about the mount command and how you can force ownership
[10:53] <darkchr0n0s> damianl , you want to mount ntfs drives ... rite ?
[10:53] <Woet> When i browse to /mtn/remote with terminal, it shows up fine. When i go there with ubuntu, it gives error "The attempt to login has failed"
[10:53] <cjae_> ok how do I make ff use thunderbird to send a web link from file -> send link
[10:54] <n2diy> Guest15726: nohup > so send the data to null, which doesn't exsist, and it goes away.
[10:54] <cjae_> it is not working on my xubuntu system so I don't know if anyone can help me in here?
[10:54] <Julz> heguru: i have it, whats the addy for the pastebin?
[10:54] <Guest15726> n2diy: so what command should i type ? "nohup ______" ?
[10:54] <heguru> Julz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:54] <carlinux> on ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 it shows me user not known to the underlying module
[10:55] <Woet> When i browse to /mtn/remote with terminal, it shows up fine. When i go there with ubuntu, it gives error "The attempt to login failed"
[10:55] <Bieleke> stefg there is no eth0 nor eth1 in devices
[10:55] <stefg> Bieleke: #ubuntu+1 m no gutsy support here
[10:55] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: in particular the mount option "user" should interest you here
[10:55] <locke> wtf
[10:55] <locke> cmon
[10:55] <n2diy> Guest15726: I don't know, that would be a scripting, or bash question, sorry I don't know your answer.
[10:55] <carlinux> when i run recovery it works
[10:56] <damianl> darkchr0n0s lol no, i have drives mounted but because there not mounted in /media they arent recognised by gnome and dont show up in "computer"
[10:56] <Woet> When i browse to /mtn/remote with terminal, it shows up fine. When i go there with ubuntu, it gives error "The attempt to login failed"
[10:57] <sai> ;
[10:57] <Woet> I mounted it with sshfs
[10:57] <howlingmadhowie> ssn: mount options for fat allow also uid=<uid number> and gid=<gid number>. these could solve the problem :)
[10:57] <darkchr0n0s> damianl you need to add them to fstab
[10:57] <stefg> Woet: you have to rephrase your question to make it comprehnedable. repeating doesn't help
[10:57] <n2diy> Woet: Try /mtn/media? Tho I think it should be mnt/media?
[10:58] <Woet> Well i changed it to /home/mounted now
[10:58] <Woet> Going to it with cd (terminal) works fine
[10:58] <darkchr0n0s> damianl : you need to add the hard drives to /etc/fstab, next reboot they wil show up
[10:58] <it-linux> OK carlinux, I think I know, you want to run without xserver right?
[10:58] <Woet> Using ubuntu to reach it gives errror "the attempt to log in failed"
[10:58] <carlinux> no
[10:58] <carlinux> i want to run with X
[10:58] <carlinux> but i want my tty back
[10:59] <Innomen> hi guys, i'm back
[10:59] <it-linux> carlinux | so? What did you do?
[10:59] <Julz> heguru: the url is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39353
[10:59] <damianl> they are fstab is automounting them. its to do with that gnome service that autodetects and mounts drives, cant remember the name
[10:59] <Innomen> now when it boots it hangs at "bootguard" ubuntu 7.04
[10:59] <carlinux> i installed a new kernel 2.6.20-16-lowlatency and the new nvidia driver then i lost my tty
[10:59] <damianl> anyone know the name of it
[11:00] <n2diy> damianl: init.d?
[11:00] <it-linux> carlinux | when I press ctrl+alt+f1 to f6, there's a terminal command
[11:00] <Woet> When i go to /home/mounted with 'cd home/mounted' and then with 'ls' it shows all files. When i go to /home/mounted with ubuntu it gives error "The attempt to log in failed". I mounted it with sshfs
[11:00] <carlinux> it is supposed to be
[11:00] <n2diy> it-linux: good!
[11:00] <damianl> no, its a 3 letter name i think
[11:00] <heguru> Julz: this is from the LiveCD where the card is working?
[11:00] <carlinux> but i cant login
[11:01] <Julz> heguru" yep
[11:01] <carlinux> it tells me user not known to the underlying module
[11:01] <overclucker> carlinux, did you compile the kernel yourself?
[11:01] <carlinux> no
[11:01] <Innomen> rephrase of problem: I'm installed ubuntu 7.04, it installed fine, but when it tries to boot off the drive instead of the cd it hangs and says "bootguard" with a blinking cursor
[11:01] <pabloz> woet: try  chmod a+rwx /home/mounted
[11:01] <carlinux> but nvidia recompiled it
[11:01] <carlinux> to make it compatible
[11:01] <heguru> Julz: ok rt2500
[11:01] <heguru> Julz: thats your module :)
[11:01] <overclucker> carlinux, well whover did didn't add it to config
[11:02] <ferronica> Best CD label printing application available for ubuntu 7.04 GNOME?
[11:02] <heguru> Julz: on the linux where you want the card to work
[11:02] <Woet> Pabloz: still the same error
[11:02] <heguru> Julz: just type: sudo modprobe -v rt2500
[11:02] <carlinux> what ? sorry i'm french
[11:02] <Innomen> a google of bootguard hang ubuntu only gave one result
[11:02] <stefg> Innomen: could it be that your bios prevented a proper grub-install? some bios's have 'antivirus' feature which lock the mbr, so it can't be written to it
[11:02] <pabloz> chown root.root /home/mounted
[11:02] <geoaxis> any one running eclipse here
[11:02] <overclucker> carlinux, i wasn't aware that nvidia did that
[11:02] <pabloz> woet:  chown root.root /home/mounted
[11:03] <Theory_> Downloaded Realplayer for linux. Its a .bin file what do you do with a .bin file to get it installed?
[11:03] <it-linux> carlinux | When you restart, do you have a choice on the previous kernel ?
[11:03] <Innomen> hmmm, i'm not sure, i'm running a del gx260, i'll boot into the bios and see if something looks like that
[11:03] <darkchr0n0s> Theory_ ./filename
[11:03] <darkchr0n0s> Theory_ ./filename.bin
[11:03] <damianl> who here uses "fruityloops"
[11:03] <Woet> pabloz: still the same
[11:03] <Innomen> my roomates uses fruityloops
[11:03] <pabloz> theory chmod a+rwx *.bin
[11:03] <Irreducibilis> fruityloops?!
[11:03] <Innomen> its a music app
[11:03] <Innomen> like mtv music generator
[11:04] <Irreducibilis> How odd...
[11:04] <carlinux> i uninstall every kernels and uninstall nvidia drivers and i reinstall 2.6.20-16-generic kernel and it's the same problem
[11:04] <Theory_> darkchr0n0s, I get "permission denied" even while running as root.
[11:04] <Innomen> its crazy
[11:04] <damianl> it runs %90-%100 in wine now  im so impressed
[11:04] <carlinux> yes i can see other kernels
[11:04] <Woet> im on user "wouter" in ubuntu pabloz, does that make a difference?
[11:04] <darkchr0n0s> Theory_ use this command chmod +x filename.bin
[11:04] <carlinux> i can boot on them but i cant load Xserver
[11:04] <insomninja> I want to take a full backup of my hdd, including my windows rescue partition is dd if=/dev/myhdd of=/media/external/myhdd.iso a good idea?
[11:04] <pabloz> woet
[11:05] <Theory_> Okay thanks its working now.
[11:05] <Innomen> something in here says "PXE BIS default policy" accept/deny
[11:05] <pabloz> wiet : yes
[11:05] <carlinux> cause of incompatibility of nvidia drivers
[11:05] <damianl> thats an impressive piece of software
[11:05] <Innomen> any idea what that means in human speak?
[11:05] <Woet> what should i do in stead then pabloz ?
[11:05] <pabloz> woet: You have to change the permisions for user wouter
[11:05] <Julz> heguru: ok, i did that, it asked for password, i pressed enter and nothing happened, so i tpyed it again and it put out a line but notjing new has happened.
[11:05] <Woet> How?
[11:05] <ferronica> Best CD label printing application available for ubuntu 7.04 GNOME?
[11:06] <damianl> ferronica nerolinux?
[11:06] <pabloz> edit /etc/passwd
[11:06] <Irreducibilis> lightscribe....
[11:06] <pabloz> change group
[11:06] <heguru> Julz: yes its ok, the network module should be loaded now, can you type: dmesg | tail
[11:06] <it-linux> carlinux | I've have the same problems once, you can login in the failsafe mode, then after command line type startx
[11:06] <heguru> Julz: and check the lines for error?
[11:06] <Woet> pabloz: i know ubuntu for 1 hour now, please be more clear.
[11:06] <ferronica> damianl: i think not free :(
[11:06] <darkchr0n0s> lol
[11:06] <Innomen> ok, i'm satified that its not a bios mbr protection
[11:06] <Innomen> what else could it be?
[11:07] <pabloz> woet: and my englidh is too bad
[11:07] <damianl> you could pirate it...and not feel bad
[11:07] <damianl> linux software should br free anyway
[11:07] <Theory_> darkchr0n0s, Is there a live video recorder available for linux?
[11:07] <damianl> be
[11:07] <ferronica> damianl: from where i can get it ?
[11:07] <pabloz> whoet: try...
[11:07] <darkchr0n0s> Theory_ , sorry no idea..
[11:07] <n2diy> damianl: it is free.
[11:07] <Julz> heguru: no errors
[11:07] <Theory_> ok
[11:07] <Innomen> what is an appropriate interval for repeating a request?
[11:07] <carlinux> but is there any other way to fix it ?
[11:07] <heguru> Julz: ok so your network should be working now
[11:08] <Woet> pabloz: i still dont get it
[11:08] <it-linux> carlinux | sorry with recovery mode
[11:08] <heguru> Julz: in ubuntu, on the traybar you should see a network icon
[11:08] <Woet> When i go to /home/mounted with 'cd home/mounted' and then with 'ls' it shows all files. When i go to /home/mounted with ubuntu it gives error "The attempt to log in failed".  Who cares? I use ubuntu?
[11:09] <Theory_> anyone know of a video recorder for linux?
[11:09] <Amaranth> damianl: That kind of discussion is not allowed here
[11:09] <it-linux> carlinux | good luck
[11:09] <Woet> pabloz: still the same error
[11:09] <damianl>  freedom of speech
[11:09] <Innomen> i agree
[11:09] <pabloz> woet: wait
[11:09] <pabloz> I try somethinkelse
[11:10] <pepigno> mi leggete
[11:10] <Innomen> what part of "damianl: n2diy nerolinux isnt free anymore" isnt appropriate?
[11:10] <darkchr0n0s> damianl : freedom of speech has it's limitations
[11:10] <pepigno> midate una mano
[11:10] <Innomen> i assume its a statement of fact
[11:10] <Julz> heguru: you're gonna hate this, but it only had the default modem connection there...
[11:10] <Innomen> i misunderstood
[11:10] <n2diy> Innomen: ??? Who said it was inappropriate?
[11:11] <Innomen> i see
[11:11] <Innomen> he's being scolded for pointing out the white elephant
[11:11] <xeer> anyone know of a way to bind a hotkey to a joystick button?
[11:11] <damianl> its because i said "you could pirate it...and not feel bad"
[11:11] <Innomen> you see damianl you
[11:11] <Julz> heguru: it says "no network devices have been found" and "manual configuation"
[11:11] <n2diy> I'm being scolded????
[11:11] <Innomen> re not allowed ot talk about the elephant
[11:11] <Innomen> not you
[11:11] <Innomen> n2diy
[11:11] <Irreducibilis> Does anyone feel bad about pirating?
[11:11] <darkchr0n0s> you need to realize that there is no white elephant ;)
[11:12] <Innomen> i was spekaing to damianl
[11:12] <ikonia> !offtopic
[11:12] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:12] <darkchr0n0s> Irreducibilis they do,.. when they are caught :P
[11:12] <pabloz> woe:
[11:12] <pabloz> edit /etc/passwd
[11:12] <heguru> Julz: ok, lets try to debug this
[11:12] <heguru> Julz: type iwconfig
[11:12] <damianl> linux software should be free thats all i said
[11:12] <heguru> Julz: and see if you get any interface
[11:12] <Innomen> ikonia: my quiestion is perfectly on topic and its being ignored *shrugs*
[11:12] <Amaranth> damianl: Don't tell people to steal stuff
[11:12] <n2diy> damianl: it is free!?
[11:12] <ikonia> Innomen: whats up
[11:12] <Innomen> until i get help i'll talk about the weather :)
[11:12] <heguru> Julz: if not then do this: sudo modprobe -r rt2500
[11:13] <heguru> Julz: then: sudo modprobe rt2500
[11:13] <pabloz> woet: and change line where is user root
[11:13] <overclucker> Irreducibilis, now that i have linux, i look back at my windows days in general and feel bad
[11:13] <heguru> Julz: then run dmesg | tail
[11:13] <xeer> anyone know of a way to bind a hotkey to a joystick button?
[11:13] <damianl> anyway
[11:13] <Innomen> ubuntu hangs and says "bootguard"
[11:13] <heguru> Julz: and check the output
[11:13] <ikonia> Innomen what version of ubuntu ?
[11:13] <Innomen> i have no idea what to do
[11:13] <pabloz> 3 th field
[11:13] <Innomen> 7.04
[11:13] <damianl> Amaranth: lol
[11:13] <Irreducibilis> overclucker: I still like windows... XP that is. Vista can go in the trash.
[11:13] <pabloz> change to 0
[11:13] <Amaranth> damianl: It's not funny
[11:13] <pabloz> 4th field change to 0
[11:13] <ikonia> Innomen is this on mac hardware by any chance
[11:13] <pabloz> too
[11:13] <Woet> 'wouter:x:1000:1000:Wouter van Eekelen' should become 'wouter:x:0:1000:Wouter van Eekelen'
[11:14] <Woet> pabloz ?
[11:14] <darkchr0n0s> 4 years they spent to make vista.. the crappy OS
[11:14] <Innomen> no
[11:14] <Woet> or 0:0 ?
[11:14] <ikonia> !offtopic >darkchr0n0s
[11:14] <Innomen> dell gx260
[11:14] <darkchr0n0s> ikonia  alrught alright :P
[11:14] <pabloz> ok
[11:14] <pabloz> You traied it ?
[11:14] <overclucker> Irreducibilis, yes, it requires either a money or piracy to make it a fully functioning system though
[11:14] <ikonia> Innomen ok, the reason I wasked is because bootguard appears to show up as boot protection in the new macs (never heard of it before)
[11:14] <carlinux> it-linux: it doesnt work
[11:14] <Innomen> lovelyt
[11:15] <pabloz> and you have to pre login
[11:15] <Innomen> it apear the ubuntu installer still needs a great deal of work
[11:15] <ikonia> Innomen just reading about it
[11:15] <darkchr0n0s> ikonia : any "on demand" video streaming servers for a linux box ?
[11:15] <Woet> I cant change it pabloz: 'You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file'
[11:15] <Julz> heguru: no errors
[11:15] <Innomen> perhaps i should wait yet another version
[11:15] <overclucker> imissdos
[11:15] <ikonia> darkchr0n0s there are a few broadcast software packages in the repo, can't remember the names
[11:15] <pabloz> This changes you have to do as a root
[11:15] <heguru> Julz: what did you get when you type: dmesg | tail
[11:15] <pabloz> You must login as a root
[11:15] <Chousuke> Woet: Why do you want to make yourself root
[11:15] <Chousuke> and no you don't need to login as root
[11:16] <damianl> Amaranth i laughed
[11:16] <Woet> When i go to /home/mounted with 'cd home/mounted' and then with 'ls' it shows all files. When i go to /home/mounted with ubuntu it gives error "The attempt to log in failed". I mounted it with sshfs
[11:16] <Woet> thats why.
[11:16] <heguru> Julz: i know you don't have internet on that machine, but if you can get some lines :)
[11:16] <carlinux> it-linux: any other idea ?
[11:16] <Chousuke> Woet: eh?
[11:16] <Woet> And i would like to solve it
[11:17] <Chousuke> Woet: well making yourself root is definitely not the way to do it
[11:17] <ikonia> Innomen it looks like boot guard is a setting in the bios, although I'm no certain as I've never heard of it before
[11:17] <Woet> I have no idea what im doing anyways, pabloz told me to change the 1000 to 0
[11:17] <pabloz> chosuke: I hear, too
[11:17] <overclucker> !offtopic
[11:17] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:17] <ikonia> Innomen: it maybe under the heading of "virus" protection in the bios
[11:17] <Chousuke> Woet: that makes your user the superuser
[11:17] <Irreducibilis> !jabber
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[11:17] <ikonia> Chousuke: that is very unwise to do that
[11:17] <overclucker> thanks ubotu i forgot the name of the channel
[11:17] <overclucker> hehe
[11:17] <Innomen> no, the bios is very simple on the dell, there isw no mention of virus anywhere under the security tab or anywhere else
[11:17] <Woet> i just want to browse my mounted folder
[11:17] <Chousuke> ikonia: that's what I've been saying :P
[11:18] <ikonia> Innomen just quoting what I'm reading
[11:18] <ikonia> Chousuke who told him to change his uid ?
[11:18] <Innomen> i know
[11:18] <Innomen> i appreciate it, i'm just responding
[11:18] <damianl> sudo format c:\
[11:18] <it-linux> carlinux | Ok, are you still in recovery mode?
[11:18] <Chousuke> ikonia: pabloz apparently
[11:18] <carlinux> no
[11:18] <carlinux> i tried it
[11:18] <ikonia> !offtopic >damianl
[11:18] <Chousuke> Woet: anyway, you need to fix the mount problem some other way
[11:18] <pabloz> ikonia:   :-/
[11:18] <it-linux> carlinux | please use it again
[11:18] <Chousuke> Woet: please tell in detail what you're trying to mount and where and how
[11:19] <Julz> heguru: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39354/
[11:19] <Innomen> so no one here has ever had a fresh installed hang with only "bootguard" as a given reason?
[11:19] <carlinux> when i do ctrl+alt+f2 it goes to tty
[11:19] <ikonia> Innomen at what point do you see bootguard, first thing on the screen or do you get the grub menu
[11:19] <carlinux> but i cant do anything cause there is a message " user not known to the underlying module "
[11:19] <Innomen> prior to grub menu
[11:19] <n2diy> carlinux: good, that is what it should do.
[11:19] <it-linux> carlinux | don't type startx but type this : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:19] <ikonia> Innomen ok, so it looks like something has not allowed you to modify the boot sector
[11:19] <Innomen> i was getting a menu before but it couldent find the paritions so i reinstalled
[11:20] <carlinux> nothing will happen ?
[11:20] <Woet> I mounted a ssh server (my webserver) to ubuntu, i mounted it to /home/dutchpancakes. When i go there via terminal with 'cd /home/dutchpancakes' and then 'ls' shows up fine. But when i go there via ubuntu (Places -> Computer -> FIlesystem -> Home -> Dutchpancakes) it gives error "The attempt to login in failed".
[11:20] <ikonia> Innomen you can try booting from the live cd and re-installing grub with the instructions ubotu will send you in a minute
[11:20] <Woet> I used sshfs
[11:20] <ikonia> !grub > Innomen
[11:20] <it-linux> carlinux | sorry /etc/X11
[11:20] <Innomen> oky
[11:20] <Innomen> will try brb
[11:20] <Chousuke> Woet: what command did you use to mount it with sshfs?
[11:20] <ikonia> Woet because its trying to auth via ssh
[11:20] <it-linux> carlinux | you find xorg.conf
[11:20] <carlinux> yes
[11:20] <ikonia> Woet nautilus can't do that
[11:21] <Woet> how do i just browse my ssh server then?
[11:21] <Chousuke> Woet: that sounds like you didn't specify your password anywhere, or set up public key authentication
[11:21] <n2diy> Woet: log in from a terminal
[11:21] <ikonia> Woet mounting it on /home is a bad idea unless you have proper centralised home dir sharing setup
[11:21] <it-linux> carlinux | if there's another xorg.conf back-up or anything?
[11:21] <carlinux> yes
[11:21] <Woet> I did login via terminal (on the ssh server) n2diy
[11:22] <ikonia> Woet things like nis and ldap are used for for this sort of thing
[11:22] <it-linux> carlinux | could you write it?
[11:22] <Woet> Chousuke: i did 'sshfs root@mydomain.nl:/home /home/dutchpancakes'
[11:22] <carlinux> yes
[11:22] <ikonia> Woet: sshfs is user based auth, not system based
[11:22] <Woet> then i needed to enter my root's password, so i did
[11:22] <carlinux> in wich section you think there could be an error ?
[11:22] <ikonia> Woet: that, in my opinion is an unwise setup
[11:22] <n2diy> Woet: So you can access the server via SSH, but not the files?
[11:22] <Woet> when i go do 'cd /home/dutchpancakes' and then 'ls' it shows all files
[11:23] <ikonia> Woet: I heard that
[11:23] <Woet> I can access the files via terminal, but not via Places -> Computer.
[11:23] <it-linux> carlinux | usually when nvidia driver wants to install, it make a back-up, just in case for error
[11:23] <carlinux> yes
[11:23] <ikonia> Woet: I've potentially explained that to you
[11:23] <darkchr0n0s> ikonia , what about system under ssfs.. i mean if about 50 people sshfs to same PC, what is the negative impact on the PC and network ?
[11:23] <Woet> n2diy is asking things too ikonia
[11:23] <ikonia> darkchr0n0s wow - not sure how that would exxect it under sshfs,
[11:23] <Chousuke> darkchr0n0s: well, it may be a strain on the server
[11:23] <ikonia> darkchr0n0s effect it that should read
[11:24] <Woet> I have a server, and i want all the files listed on my desktop like its on my harddisk.
[11:24] <Woet> :)
[11:24] <ikonia> darkchr0n0s the initial auth is the only real issue, but one your start "reading" from the file system it will start hitting the network quite hard
[11:24] <it-linux> carlinux | could you write it here? example : xorg.conf  xorg-back-up.conf...please, I try to configure your xserver setting
[11:24] <Chousuke> Woet: set up NFS on your server instead :P
[11:24] <pabloz> woet: ntfs
[11:24] <pabloz> woet: samba
[11:24] <it-linux> carlinux | in /etc/X11 folder...
[11:24] <Woet> and i cannot alter the server in any ways
[11:24] <darkchr0n0s> ikonia , and what about idle sshfs connections ?.. do they take resources on server or netwrok ?
[11:25] <Chousuke> why not? you have root in there.
[11:25] <pabloz> woet : ntfs is simple and fasty
[11:25] <ikonia> darkchr0n0s pretty much not
[11:25] <Chousuke> pabloz: I'm sure you mean NFS
[11:25] <it-linux> carlinux??
[11:25] <carlinux> you want an output output of my xorg.conf ?
[11:25] <darkchr0n0s> ikonia , hmm.. thanks
[11:25] <Woet> oh, yes i can Chousuke
[11:25] <Woet> I can access it via putty
[11:25] <heguru> Julz: http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/linux/category/wireless/
[11:25] <ikonia> NFS/samba is not wise over the internet
[11:25] <pabloz> sorry nfs
[11:25] <heguru> Julz: just read the link
[11:25] <Woet> but its a live server with 100 customers, so i cant do very dangerous stuff
[11:25] <ikonia> do'nt recommend things unless you know the sitaution
[11:25] <darkchr0n0s> Woet what exactly u want ?
[11:25] <it-linux> carlinux | no, just type thye content of /etc/X11...
[11:25] <Woet> I have a server, and i want all the files listed on my desktop like its on my harddisk.
[11:25] <carlinux> ha ok
[11:25] <russ_> hello, am wanting to download Blender, and as a new ubuntu user, i am unsure which version i should be downloading.  Any suggestions?  Even if there is a better program available for noobs?
[11:26] <pabloz> ikonia samba/nfs as tunneling
[11:26] <Chousuke> Woet: I see.
[11:26] <ikonia> Woet then try changing the mount location from /home
[11:26] <ikonia> pabloz thats a massive overhead,
[11:26] <Woet> Where to mount it ikonia?
[11:26] <carlinux> i have 27 xorg.conf backup
[11:26] <darkchr0n0s> 27!!
[11:26] <ikonia> Woet anywhere that won't cause problems for your local desktop
[11:27] <it-linux> carlinux | 27??? there's a lot of it?
[11:27] <Woet> oh wait
[11:27] <enano> Hi! How can I change the "nb_NO ISO-8859-1" to be the default character-set instead of UTF-8 in Feisty? Thanks!
[11:27] <Chousuke> Woet: it seems since you're loggin in as root to mount it via sshfs it may appear with as root's on the local machine too.
[11:27] <Woet> I would like to become a root user.
[11:27] <magnetron> russ_: use applications > add/remove and search for blender in the "all" category. check the box and hit ok, then it will be installed
[11:27] <darkchr0n0s> !root | Woet
[11:27] <ubotu> Woet: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:27] <carlinux> yes i know !
[11:27] <ikonia> Woet that is unwise
[11:27] <Innomen> same deal
[11:27] <Innomen> bootguard
[11:27] <Innomen> but what you sent me was rather vague
[11:27] <Woet> I can browse the mounted folder when im root, not when im user
[11:27] <ikonia> Innomen all the information I'm finding suggest bootguard is a "bios" thing
[11:28] <Woet> So i want to become root.
[11:28] <overclucker> enano is the locale supported? do locale -a
[11:28] <heguru> Woet: if you just want to browse files over ssh on gnome, you can use ssh:// vfs
[11:28] <magnetron> enano: you get the option to choose it when you install feisty
[11:28] <darkchr0n0s> Woet you can change permissions browse either wahy
[11:28] <carlinux> it-linux: when i compare the xorg.conf to the xorg.bak* it is similar
[11:28] <Past_Images> hey i backed up my home dir and reinstalled but when i delete my new .evolution folder and pull across my old one i don't have any emails - it's not working. is there a way to fix this to get my old emails back?
[11:28] <enano> overclucker: I don't see it in that list no ...
[11:28] <heguru> Woet: on gnome if you press Alt+F2 then type ssh://youserverusername@yourserver
[11:28] <darkchr0n0s> becoming root is not the solution... its a problem
[11:28] <Woet> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39355/ see?
[11:28] <it-linux> carlinux | type this : sudo mv xorg.conf backup(choose the last one ) xorg.conf
[11:29] <Innomen> if the bios isnt letting me make mbr changes then how did i install windows?
[11:29] <carlinux> it-linux: and i can read the oldest one (the one before nvidia-config scrapped it)
[11:29] <Julz> heguru: that all makes sense but when i type ipconfig i get "no wireless extensions"
[11:29] <russ_> magnetron, it is saying that There is no matching application available
[11:29] <Woet> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39355/
[11:29] <ikonia> Woet: with respect, there is no way you should be playing around like this on a server with 100 live customers
[11:29] <heguru> Julz: are you sure both the machines are using the same type of network card?
[11:29] <it-linux> carlinux | ok, you use it
[11:29] <Chousuke> Woet: okay, that's simple
[11:29] <Innomen> why am i the only humna on the planet top have encourntered this problem?
[11:29] <Woet> well ikonia, if i cant access the server, 10 customers will go away because of the bugs i cant solve.
[11:29] <ikonia> Woet: you need to change permissions on your local hard disk /home dir
[11:29] <Innomen> do i get a cookie?
[11:30] <heguru> Julz: because based on the output of dmesg you pasted, the driver does not seem to be loadin
[11:30] <Innomen> :)
[11:30] <pabloz> when I try work as a oteruser than root I have some troubles
[11:30] <it-linux> carlinux | then you restart it
[11:30] <Woet> how to solve Chousuke?
[11:30] <enano> magnetron: yeah, but I forgot to install it back then :)
[11:30] <Chousuke> pabloz: you're using Ubuntu wrong then
[11:30] <carlinux> it-linux: ok but i tried it before
[11:30] <Chousuke> Woet: since you mounted the thing with sshfs as root, only root can use the mounted data
[11:30] <ikonia> Woet I suggest you look at http://www.ubuntu.com and invest in a support package from canonical as your asking for comercial help
[11:30] <pabloz> I always work as root
[11:30] <Chousuke> Woet: I don't think there's anything you can do about that
[11:30] <Chousuke> pabloz: that's improper
[11:31] <carlinux> it-linux: i did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and i saw no change
[11:31] <Chousuke> pabloz: there's no need
[11:31] <Innomen> its dangerous
[11:31] <magnetron> russ_: make sure you did search for blender in the "all" category, and that you have the universe repository enabled
[11:31] <ikonia> Woet: if this is for paying customers, its clear you are not confident with what you are doing. You would benifit from a support package from canonical
[11:31] <Woet> :-/ so your saying there is not 1 solution possible?
[11:31] <Innomen> being root all the time
[11:31] <pabloz> maybe
[11:31] <magnetron> !universe | russ_
[11:31] <ubotu> russ_: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:31] <jimmity> Ubuntu commercial support lawl?
[11:31] <Julz> heguru: yep, same boxes, same everything, they are the same cards
[11:31] <it-linux> carlinux | could you type xorg.conf backup before nvidia, here?
[11:31] <Chousuke> Woet: you used sudo while mounting with sshfs, right?
[11:31] <ikonia> jimmity yes, ubuntu comercial support
[11:31] <Woet> yes Chousuke
[11:31] <pabloz> but , this is comfortable
[11:31] <Woet> Do i need to mount it while not being root?
[11:31] <Chousuke> Woet: perhaps. try.
[11:31] <ikonia> Woet your not listening
[11:31] <it-linux> carlinux | not the content just the file?
[11:31] <jimmity> It's not quite redhat is it :)
[11:31] <Julz> heguru: dound i use ndiswrapper youthink?
[11:32] <carlinux> how
[11:32] <Chousuke> Woet: but don't mount them into /home/whatevr
[11:32] <Woet> i will try Chousuke
[11:32] <ikonia> Woet when you are logging in via ssh over sshfs your doing it as the root user
[11:32] <Woet> Where then?
[11:32] <heguru> Julz: well this card seems to be using rt2500 driver which is native
[11:32] <Chousuke> Woet: use /mnt/dutchpancakes or something
[11:32] <Woet> k
[11:32] <heguru> Julz: no need for ndiswrapper
[11:32] <ikonia> Woet I strongly advise you to visit canonical website and lookg for a support contract as you will break your paying customers machine very soon if you carry on like this
[11:32] <heguru> Julz: ndiswrapper is for the cases where no linux driver is available for your card
[11:33] <Innomen> woet: seriously, you can even write it off
[11:33] <Chousuke> ikonia: I don't think he will. sshfs is pretty much the same as connecting to the machine with ssh
[11:33] <carlinux> xorg.conf.20070925021839
[11:33] <ikonia> Chousuke I know this
[11:33] <geoaxis> guys need help, cant start eclipse on ubuntu fiesty
[11:33] <russ_> magnetron, ubotu, thank you for your help, got it now...
[11:33] <darkchr0n0s> sshfs works on ssh things itself..
[11:33] <carlinux> # This file was generated by dexconf
[11:33] <it-linux> carlinux | my example : the content of my /etc/X11 : app-defaults cursors default-display-manager fonts gdm rgb.txt x xinit xkb xorg.conf xserver xsession xsession.d ...
[11:33] <carlinux> not by nvidia
[11:33] <overclucker> enano you could try: localedef -i nb_NO -f ISO-8859-1 nb_NO
[11:34] <Chousuke> though I wonder why he wants to mount everyone's home directory.
[11:34] <Woet> Chousuke: fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/dutchpancakes
[11:34] <Woet> I cant mount while not being root.
[11:34] <ikonia> Chousuke I'm not interested, I'm suggesting dropping this line of support
[11:34] <darkchr0n0s> he wants to see their private files ?
[11:34] <cjae_> how do I make multiple audio signals work in ubuntu, like having two versions of vlc open with sound and why is this not enabled?
[11:34] <Julz> heguru: so the linux driver should have been installed when i installed ubuntu? perhaps its just not recognising the card? ill put in the card that works and check
[11:34] <carlinux> i have 35 files in my X11
[11:34] <carlinux> are u searching for one in particular ?
[11:34] <heguru> Julz: yes try that
[11:34] <ikonia> Woet I think you are on dangerous ground, you are not confident with what you are doing and asking random people for help on a comercial platform. Visit canonical website and negotiate a support contract rather than asking in here
[11:34] <Chousuke> Woet: that's a permissions issue on the directory.
[11:34] <enano> overclucker: it's in locale -a now
[11:35] <Chousuke> Woet: fix it
[11:35] <Woet> I will mount it to /home/wouter/dutchpancakes
[11:35] <ikt> slight issue where update manager crashed while upgrading to 7.10, is there anyway to repair the install without formatting?
[11:35] <it-linux> carlinux | yes - type which have the word xorg.conf
[11:35] <ikonia> ikt depends what has changed and how bootable it is
[11:35] <Woet> THakns CHousuke
[11:35] <Woet> it works!
[11:35] <Woet> :D
[11:35] <Woet> now i can finally get back to work, thanks.
[11:35] <Chousuke> now make sure you don't mess it up :P
[11:35] <ikonia> Woet: be aware that by changing the permissions, you have just changed the permissions on the file system on the server
[11:36] <ikt> ikonia: still works, still boots up, it's just some applications won't run, and stuff like gaim is still there etc
[11:36] <pabloz> I had to leave
[11:36] <ikonia> ikt re-do the update
[11:36] <pabloz> woet: how fixed your problem ?
[11:36] <it-linux> carlinux | coz I try to find the right xorg.conf for your system.
[11:36] <carlinux> xorg.conf_backup_200709301926 xorg.conf_backup_200709301341 xorg.conf_backup_200709301122  xorg.conf_backup_200709300844
[11:36] <Innomen> Chousuke: good karma for you :)
[11:36] <Woet> I mounted it to another directory pabloz, which i have access too.
[11:36] <carlinux> it-linux: you are searching for the oldest one ?
[11:36] <ikt> ikonia tried sudo "update-manager -c -d" but said i was up to date :s
[11:36] <Woet> Chousuke: i have been working like this for over 6 months now, and the company has been working like this for 3 years
[11:36] <Woet> Nothing went wrong.
[11:37] <ikonia> ikt oh, thats unusual
[11:37] <ikt> :(
[11:37] <it-linux> carlinux | that's ok too, write it down!
[11:37] <Chousuke> ikonia: he hasn't run chown or anything on the files, has he
[11:37] <clem_> ppl, since there seems to be no-one in the #openoffice.org channel, let me ask this here: can I get OOo in French via apt-get? I'm in xubuntu 7.04
[11:37] <carlinux> xorg.conf.20070925005604
[11:37] <Chousuke> ikonia: so why would they change? unless sshfs is exceptionally stupid.
[11:37] <ikonia> clem_ change your system local
[11:38] <ikonia> Chousuke I thought he had changed the permissions
[11:38] <it-linux> carlinux | is that all?
[11:38] <Chousuke> ikonia: nah, he just mounted it in a directory where he had a right to mount them.
[11:38] <carlinux> it-linux: wait a sec
[11:38] <magnetron> clem_: yes, install the french language in system > administration > language settings
[11:39] <Woet> is there btw any antivirus for linux, or isnt it needed?
[11:39] <Woet> ubuntu *
[11:39] <clem_> ikonia, my xubuntu is already in French, and I caught OOo via the "Add/Remove" app - is that what you meant?
[11:39] <ikonia> clem_: check magnetron's comments.
[11:39] <clem_> magnetron, thx will take a look
[11:39] <clem_> brb
[11:40] <enano> overclucker: do you also know how to set it as default?
[11:40] <magnetron> !antivirus | Woet
[11:40] <ubotu> Woet: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[11:40] <Woet> !linuxvirus | WOet
[11:40] <Woet> oh pm
[11:40] <carlinux> xorg.conf_backup_200709301926 xorg.conf_backup_200709301341 xorg.conf_backup_200709301122 xorg.conf_backup_200709300844 xorg.conf.backupxorg.conf.20070930185601 xorg.conf.20070930124858 xorg.conf.2007093012394 xorg.conf.20070930123825 xorg.conf.20070930122938 xorg.conf.20070930122721 xorg.conf.20070930111841xorg.conf.20070930081733 xorg.conf.20070930075604 xorg.conf.20070925011026 xorg.conf.20070925005604 xorg.conf
[11:40] <ikt> any repair utility?
[11:40] <Woet> im starting to love ubuntu more and more
[11:40] <ikonia> !pastebin >carlinux
[11:41] <carlinux> sorryu
[11:41] <overclucker> enano, now you need to sudo gedit /etc/profile and put a # in front of the export LANG=en_US.utf-8, saving it for later then export LANG=nb_NO.ISO-8859-1
[11:42] <Woet> How do i use google talk with GAIM?
[11:42] <ikonia> google talk is a closed protocol
[11:42] <carlinux> it-linux: i dont think xorg.conf is the problem
[11:42] <Woet> It works with pidgin ikonia.
[11:42] <ikonia> does it ?
[11:42] <Woet> Yes
[11:43] <enano> overclucker: hmm, /etc/profile doesn't contain LANG= etc. it's a totally different file
[11:43] <carlinux> it-linux: cause as you can see i tried a lot of time by changing it
[11:43] <ikonia> not sure how that works
[11:43] <heguru> Woet: GoogleTalk Voice chat doesn't work with gaim, google talk works
[11:43] <magnetron> ikonia, Woet: the text part of goolge talk is jabber compliant
[11:43] <Woet> I just want the chat part
[11:43] <ikonia> yes, but not the voice
[11:43] <Woet> But i cant configure it in gaim
[11:43] <enano> overclucker: maybe it's /etc/enviroment ?
[11:43] <magnetron> Woet: it uses the jabber prot
[11:43] <heguru> Woet: google talk is based on XMPP and is not proprietary
[11:43] <carlinux> it-linux: and perhaps it could be a runlevel problem
[11:43] <Woet> ahw ok
[11:43] <Woet> server is gmail.com
[11:43] <Woet> ?
[11:43] <overclucker> enano, lemme check
[11:43] <Woet> and resource?
[11:43] <t3318_> anyone use webcam in Ubuntu?
[11:43] <carlinux> by default it is supposed to be runlevel 3 but i'm running in runlevel 2
[11:43] <cjae_> ok I have split an avi off a win box to fit it on two cdr and now have the two halves on a ubuntu box how can I mend them?
[11:44] <magnetron> http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=24073 Woet
[11:44] <it-linux> carlinux | now we focus on xorg.conf.20070925005604 and<PHONE_NUMBER>1026. Now you type : sudo mv xorg.conf.20070925005604 xorg.conf after that you fill your password.
[11:44] <cjae_> can Avidemux do this?
[11:44] <magnetron> t3318_: yes a lot of people use webcams in ubuntu
[11:44] <magnetron> !enter | cjae_
[11:44] <ubotu> cjae_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:44] <carlinux> in tty1 i can see things like normal
[11:44] <t3318_> magnetron: oh, so what IM Client you use?
[11:44] <it-linux> carlinux | how is it now?
[11:45] <carlinux> 2
[11:45] <magnetron> t3318_: i don't use a webcam, but i use ekiga for voice chat. it supports video too
[11:45] <Woet> thanks
[11:45] <magnetron> t3318_: i think amsn has some video support too
[11:45] <kst> how much empty disk space will i need for an upgrade to gutsy? i got only like 500-700mb left on my linux partition (got another /home partition with lots of free space tho), will i run into problems when updating?
[11:45] <it-linux> carlinux | have you try startx command?
[11:46] <carlinux> yes
[11:46] <t3318_> magnetron: but ekia is commercial
[11:46] <carlinux> it's logging in root session by default
[11:46] <it-linux> carlinux | so tell me the result?
[11:46] <magnetron> t3318_: ekiga is SIP compliant, and it's open source software
[11:46] <cjae_> magnetron, wont I get in trouble for not using pastebin then
[11:46] <lordofthepigs> hello, my company has just installed an 802.1x authentication on its wired network, and I need to configure xsupplicant to work with it
[11:46] <lordofthepigs>  I have it running now, but I would like to know how I can make sure that the xsupplicant deamon starts up at the same time as my system
[11:46] <lordofthepigs> and how to make it start before DHCP (since I can't get a valid IP address before having been authenticated)
[11:47] <lordofthepigs> does anybody have an idea how to do that?
[11:47] <magnetron> !enter | lordofthepigs
[11:47] <ubotu> lordofthepigs: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:47] <Innomen> when i run grub "setup (hd2,2)" all goes well except it return two non fatal errors, they are embed commands, is this more important than the app is letting on?
[11:47] <lordofthepigs> magnetron: Yeah, I'm sure people love to read a question spanning 10 lines
[11:47] <ikonia> Innomen can you paste the errors in the pastebin
[11:48] <ikonia> lordofthepigs ?
[11:48] <Innomen> no, but i'll type one out (diffreent machine)
[11:48] <ikonia> cool
[11:48] <it-linux> carlinux | where are you?
[11:48] <carlinux> ?
[11:48] <Woet> Who helped me switch to ubuntu again?
[11:48] <slackern> lordofthepigs: maybe this page can help you http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-manage-services-with-update-rc.d
[11:48] <ikonia> Woet: does it matter ?
[11:48] <magnetron> lordofthepigs: it's easier to read a question that spans 10 lines then one that spans 10 messages
[11:49] <Woet> ikonia, im just wondering
[11:49] <Woet> i thought it was something with pinguin, but i cant find him
[11:49] <it-linux> carlinux | is it working? Or there's still a problem?
[11:49] <Innomen> running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd2,2)"... failed (this is not fatal)
[11:49] <carlinux> there is still the same problem
[11:49] <ikonia> Innomen under it did, you see one that succeded
[11:49] <Innomen> does that twicfe
[11:49] <ikonia> ahhh thats not great then
[11:49] <ikonia> you need one to succedd
[11:49] <Innomen> yes
[11:50] <Innomen> the one at the bottom worked
[11:50] <ikonia> ok, mega
[11:50] <overclucker> enano, /etc/environment looks promising
[11:50] <it-linux> carlinux | what is the error ?
[11:50] <carlinux> when i press ctrl+alt+f2-6 i cant do anything cause it says " user not known to the underlying module"
[11:50] <enano> overclucker: I changed it now, and I need to restartX for it to work?
[11:50] <cjae_> anyone know how to use avidemux to join to avi's
[11:51] <Julz> heguru: umm, i know why it wasnt working... its cos im a fool lol, the card wasnt in the motherboard properly! it had power but some connections musnt have beeen working... thanks so much for all your help, i really appreciate it
[11:51] <Innomen> thetutorial page you sent me to wanted me to hit tab to autocomplete commands and such it did not behave at all like suggested, so i didnt it by hand heheh
[11:51] <Innomen> did it*
[11:51] <heguru> Julz: welcome :)
[11:51] <ikonia> Innomen yeah, a few people have complained about auto complete, not sure why it doesn't work for everyone
[11:51] <ikonia> its on my list of things to sort out/check out
[11:51] <carlinux> it-linux: if the user is not known by the module "tty" i think it's because of /dev/tty* properties
[11:51] <Innomen> i got a menu to happen before
[11:52] <lordofthepigs> slackern: Thanks for that, but will that help making sure that xsupplicant has finished the authentication before dhclient starts configuring eth0?
[11:52] <carlinux> the group of tty2 (by example) is root
[11:52] <Julz> heguru: haha thanks, well im off now to get the hang of things, catchya :)
[11:52] <carlinux> not tty as usual
[11:52] <overclucker> enano, probably need to reboot, locale affects more than just x
[11:52] <carlinux> carlinux@carlinux:~$ ps -A | grep tty
[11:52] <carlinux>  6100 tty7     00:01:40 Xorg
[11:52] <carlinux> carlinux@carlinux:~$
[11:52] <Innomen> if i cant fix this i'm gunna give up on ubuntu till its mature enough to really compete with microsloth, i mean ti dosent even have a device manager yet :/
[11:53] <Innomen> i'll use it on my laptop because it dosent HAVE to work
[11:53] <it-linux> carlinux | on tty, we focus on it first, is startx can show up? like GUI with icon there?
[11:53] <carlinux> there's supposed to be tty 1-6 running
[11:53] <ikonia> Innomen it is mature, if you have a bios thing blocking it, thats the problem
[11:53] <overclucker> enano, but have livecd ready, incase it doesn't take
[11:53] <Innomen> no it isnt
[11:53] <Innomen> for the 5th time
[11:53] <ikonia> Innomen however if your not confident with ubuntu, don't use it
[11:53] <carlinux> yes
[11:53] <Innomen> i had a grub boot menu
[11:53] <Innomen> like 2 hours ago
[11:53] <ikonia> Innomen yes, I read that
[11:53] <Innomen> i just haddent formatted the paritions right and it couldent find them
[11:53] <carlinux> when i load the normal kernel, everything boot as normal
[11:54] <slackern> lordofthepigs: Im not sure what options are available to it really, mostly paste the link to give you a little extra info along the way :), haven't done much to any service in years myself
[11:54] <carlinux> i can log in
[11:54] <heguru> Innomen: and how is existence of a device manager a sign of maturity of an OS again? besides that, there is a device manager in ubuntu
[11:54] <Innomen> no there isnt
[11:54] <it-linux> carlinux | still in X , can you look how manyworkspace there?
[11:54] <ikonia> Innomen there is
[11:54] <carlinux> yes
[11:54] <Innomen> i should not have to edit txt files to disable a touch mouse
[11:54] <carlinux> i can run anything
[11:54] <magnetron> Innomen: ubuntu can be better than windows without being like windows
[11:54] <Innomen> ok you link me to a screen shot of it in action
[11:54] <ikonia> Innomen if you are not happy with ubuntu, don't use it
[11:55] <carlinux> i can run an Xsession as usual while loading the normal kernel
[11:55] <Innomen> ubuntu is not just another flavor of linux, its stated goal is to compete with the normal user market
[11:55] <Innomen> "linux for humans"
[11:55] <carlinux> gdm is running as normal
[11:55] <ikonia> Innomen whichi t does very well
[11:55] <magnetron> Innomen: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[11:55] <Innomen> without a gui device manager?
[11:55] <ikonia> Innomen it does have one
[11:56] <Innomen> magnetron: and water is wety, thanks for the update
[11:56] <heguru> Innomen: System -> Preferences -> Hardware Information
[11:56] <it-linux> carlinux | well it seem normal to me, but what are you going to do with another X desktop?
[11:56] <magnetron> Innomen: the title is not the article... read it, it does a good comparison
[11:56] <Innomen> another obvious thing "just because we dont agree does not mean i'm ignorant."
[11:57] <it-linux> carlinux | what version of Ubuntu have you use?
[11:57] <Innomen> i've read it before
[11:57] <carlinux> it-linux:7.04
[11:57] <ikonia>  no one said you where ignorant
[11:57] <darkchr0n0s> linux cannot be for humans :P
[11:57] <cjae_> Innomen, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
[11:57] <carlinux> it-linux:feisty fawn 7.04
[11:57] <darkchr0n0s> !away
[11:57] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[11:57] <carlinux> 64bits
[11:57] <Innomen> asking for a device manager is not unfair
[11:57] <Innomen> dont take it personally
[11:57] <ikonia> Innomen no-one is
[11:57] <carlinux> it-linux: i can run anything as normal
[11:57] <magnetron> Innomen: a good quote: "As a simple example, consider driver upgrades: one typically upgrades a hardware driver on Windows by going to the manufacturer's website and downloading the new driver; whereas in Linux you upgrade the kernel."
[11:57] <Innomen> BS
[11:57] <carlinux> it-linux: exept the tty
[11:58] <ikonia> Innomen BS ?
[11:58] <carlinux> in x session
[11:58] <Innomen> no one said anything too me when i asked for help but you
[11:58] <ikonia> Innomen is that a problem /
[11:58] <tarelerulz> I am really lost . I don't have any sound when I put my headset into the back of my computer . It is normal to have audio in the back of computer right.
[11:58] <ikonia> Innomen you askeed for help, I responded ? is that a bad thing ?
[11:58] <Innomen> i rag on ubuntu being an infant a little bit and now i'm in the middle of a 5 person conversation
[11:58] <slackern> Innomen: I guess everyone actually wants to be able to do it the GUI way, it just hasn't come that far for all kinds of devices yet, in 7.10 there is a failsafe GUI for graphics atleast, and same for setting graphics cards and monitors and their options, so it's going in the right direction., it just takes a while to get there :)
[11:58] <ikonia> Innomen people are contributing to the conversation, its a public room
[11:58] <Innomen> slack: sweet
[11:59] <Innomen> not at all surpsieing
[11:59] <ikonia> no-one is "ragging" on you
[11:59] <carlinux> it-linux: when u press alt+ctrl+f2, u switch in dos mode and it ask u to log in to use the console
[11:59] <Innomen> and that hardware info list is juyst that an info list
[11:59] <it-linux> carlinux | now I see the problem, I use 32 bits, but you have 64 bits, what type of proccessor you use?
[11:59] <Innomen> i cant even disbale a device via that
[11:59] <carlinux> it-linux: amd64
[11:59] <Innomen> disable
[11:59] <ikonia> Innomen: perhaps we should drop this debate as its off tpic and get back to support
[11:59] <Innomen> sweet
[11:59] <Innomen> back to bootgaurd
[11:59] <carlinux> it-linux: i'm not sure u understand what i mean
[11:59] <tarelerulz> I had friend who installed all the stuff. I read the manual and it talk about hook the sound up for front ,but there are no sound things in from other then dvd drive
[11:59] <Innomen> that would be part of it
[11:59] <magnetron> Innomen: the drivers are in the kernel in linux. you have to accept that windows and linux are different.
[11:59] <Innomen> installation should be THE priority
[11:59] <Innomen> its the first impression
[12:00] <Innomen> if installation is crap it wont matter what the rest of the os is like to the vast majority of potential users
[12:00] <carlinux> it-linux: when u are logged in gnome and u press alt+ctrl+f2, what's happenning?
[12:00] <ikonia> Innomen shall we look at trying to fix this
[12:00] <Innomen> and its not the bios, the dell gx260 does not have a virus protection mbr protection option
[12:00] <magnetron> Innomen: please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic for discussing this. this channel are for support questions, please
[12:00] <Innomen> so, next idea please
[12:00] <carlinux> it-linux u can log in a console
[12:01] <ikonia> Innomen can you spell out your disk layout to me, how many disks, how many OS's, how many partitions
[12:01] <carlinux> it-linux: be me i cant
[12:01] <Innomen> sure
[12:01] <Innomen> 3 physical drives, two 300 encrypted that we are not messing with
[12:01] <carlinux> it-linux: do u know what i mean ??
[12:02] <tarelerulz> The mother board has those plugs coming out the back.  don't have to do something to make a mouther board make sound come out the back do you
[12:02] <ikonia> Innomen ok - do you have multiple Os's
[12:02] <Innomen> 1 140 gb ata that has 3 partitions on it, 1 ubuntu, 1 win xp home, 1 swap.
[12:02] <ikonia> ok
[12:02] <ikonia> paerfect
[12:02] <clem_> hello again
[12:02] <Innomen> yes, winxp first, the i installed ubuntu into the free space
[12:02] <magnetron> clem_: hello
[12:02] <it-linux> carlinux | yes, when you press ctrl+alt+f1-6 : it's command line and you have to enter your user name and password, then you can login. And in the previous I ask you, what are you going to do?
[12:02] <ikonia> Innomen which disk is the one with ubuntu
[12:02] <Innomen> the 140
[12:02] <ikonia> Innomen I assume the 3rd one
[12:02] <clem_> hi magnetron
[12:02] <Innomen> like i saqid the 300s are storage and backup
[12:03] <ikonia> ok - but which one is the 140
[12:03] <Innomen> i'm not sure what order they are in
[12:03] <clem_> I've another (general) question
[12:03] <ikonia> ok
[12:03] <Innomen> the 300s are not primary
[12:03] <it-linux> carlinux | please don't be upsad
[12:03] <ikonia> Innomen: in the bios does it list them in order (thats normally a good guide )
[12:03] <carlinux> it-linux: sorry
[12:03] <Innomen> they show up as unformatted until decrytped so they arent in the waqy i dont think
[12:03] <clem_> when given the choice, what's best to download when I want to install something: .tar.gz, .rpm or .yum?
[12:03] <Innomen> no it dosent list them at all
[12:03] <ikonia> Innomen: no no, thats fine, there will still be a "deivce"
[12:03] <carlinux> it-lnux: the problem is when i press alt+ctrl+f1-6 i cant log in
[12:03] <ikonia> clem_ none
[12:04] <ikonia> clem_ use synaptic package manager
[12:04] <clem_> right
[12:04] <Innomen> side note: lvecd does not see the 300s
[12:04] <Innomen> livecd*
[12:04] <ikonia> Innomen ok - on the livecd which device is the 140 - sda/b/c
[12:04] <it-linux> carlinux | have you try to enter your user name and password? The same like normal login?
[12:04] <carlinux> it-lnux: while pressing alt+ctrl+f1-6, u are supposed to see the log in command line
[12:04] <clem_> even for Firefox add-ons, like the flash player?
[12:04] <Innomen> but it sees the ubuntu install and the winxp install
[12:04] <ikonia> clem_ yup
[12:04] <Innomen> hold on i'll tell ya
[12:04] <ikonia> Innomen perfect
[12:04] <clem_> ikonia, okidoki
[12:04] <clem_> many thx :)
[12:05] <carlinux> it-linux:the thing is, it doesnt ask me to log in
[12:05] <carlinux> i see a message    user not known to the underlying module
[12:05] <carlinux> but i'm supposed to see the log in request
[12:06] <Innomen> ok how do i find that out?
[12:06] <D4N`> private
[12:06] <Innomen> i'm not sure if grub is looking at the right drive
[12:06] <clem_> so now I'm curious: who uses those downloads (like in OOo's or even Firefox's site)?
[12:06] <tarelerulz> I don't think any of you  should know ,but is audio out the back of the computer normal?I can see coming out the front and nice ,but not the normal. I would not thing you would need hook something up . Just install the mother board hook up hard drives dvd player and so and make sure the speaker outs are coming out the back and that is it
[12:06] <Innomen> sdc3
[12:06] <it-linux> carlinux | yes, mine have : Ubuntu 7.04 it-linux-desktop tty6
[12:06] <Innomen> i got it
[12:06] <carlinux> ok
[12:06] <ikonia> Innomen ok - so third disk
[12:06] <Innomen> now what
[12:06] <it-linux> carlinux | it-linux-desktop login
[12:06] <ikonia> Innomen that makes sense
[12:07] <ikonia> Innomen what partition is ubuntu, the 3rd one ?
[12:07] <carlinux> it-linux: the problem is i dont see that
[12:07] <Innomen> yes
[12:07] <Innomen> third one
[12:07] <Innomen> psychic lol
[12:07] <carlinux> it-linux: it prints error
[12:07] <Innomen> winxp, extended, ;inux and then limnux solaris
[12:07] <Innomen> so says fdisk
[12:07] <it-linux> carlinux | it's becaome error before or after install nvidia driver?
[12:07] <Innomen> linux sdc3 being the ubuntu install
[12:08] <carlinux> it-linux: after
[12:08] <ikonia> Innomen ok , lets try something in grub, are you ready to type this ?
[12:08] <Innomen> yup
[12:08] <ikonia> Innomen: I'll put what you type in " " - so don't type them
[12:08] <ikonia> Innomen "sudo grub"
[12:08] <Innomen> oky
[12:08] <carlinux> it-linux: i tried to unistall nvidia's driver but it didnt fixed it
[12:08] <Woet> what app is OK to open .rar files?
[12:08] <Innomen> k
[12:08] <ikonia> Innomen: "root (hd2,2)"
[12:08] <ikonia> Innomen "setup (hd0)"
[12:08] <Innomen> i did that, and setup
[12:08] <Innomen> hmmm
[12:08] <ikonia> "quit"
[12:08] <Innomen> nm
[12:08] <Innomen> doing it
[12:09] <it-linux> carlinux | I think you have to reinstall your Ubuntu 7.04, because we have try to reconfigure xorg.conf many times.
[12:09] <Innomen> done
[12:09] <Innomen> shall i test it?
[12:09] <ikonia> Innomen: reboot and lets take a look
[12:09] <Innomen> reboot and such?
[12:09] <it-linux> carlinux | before you do, back-up your files Ok?
[12:09] <carlinux> it-linux: i reinstalled a lot of package (base) and it did nothing
[12:09] <carlinux> yes
[12:10] <Innomen> while its doing that can you explain what you just did? here's my guess, the root trells grub where the ubuntu install is, and the setup tells it where to install its loader which is what actually generaqtes the selection menu, and you are thinking that whatever is booting first is not getting the menu, and ytou just tried ot fix that
[12:10] <carlinux> it-linux: my ubuntu is running correctly exepted the tty
[12:10] <Innomen> I'm trying to learn here lol
[12:11] <ikonia> Innomen your almost spot on. "root" tells grub where to look for the "root grub" files to be able to read the disk, such as the menu.lst and the stage1_$X files, that will get the grub menu up - then the lines in the menu.lst tell grub how to boot ubuntu
[12:11] <Arepie> hello.. how can i install a .sh file?
[12:11] <ikonia> Innomen the "root" commands actually has nothing to do with the ubuntu install, just the grub boot files
[12:11] <carlinux> it-linux: with the error "user not known to the underlying module" i'll try to fix the prblem
[12:12] <ikonia> Innomen see the difference
[12:12] <ikonia> Arepie what are you trying to install ?
[12:12] <Innomen> gah same thing, "bootguard" *goes and gets the shot gun*
[12:12] <Auckla> Ok explain this. I was just watching movie files on my machine, then I went to go watch some quicktime files. Now all my video no matter on what player is garbled?
[12:12] <ikonia> Innomen ok, ok - no problem. Lets check this out
[12:12] <Arepie> ikonia: crossover linux
[12:12] <Auckla> :)
[12:12] <Innomen> *pets his computer* I'm gunna ahve to put you down girl *sniffle*
[12:12] <ikonia> Innomen not quite yet
[12:12] <Innomen> :P :)
[12:12] <ikonia> Innomen in the bios can you see what he boot disk is ?
[12:12] <it-linux> carlinux | I have to go home now, but maybe you can send me an e-mail in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I hope we can keep in touch Ok? see you!!!
[12:12] <carlinux> it-linux: when you do ls -al /dev/tty* what user and group do u have ?
[12:13] <gorski> is there a program which checks cd/dvd-s for errors?
[12:13] <Innomen> let me make damn sure
[12:13] <Woet> when i formatted ubuntu when installing, any way to get back the data?
[12:13] <ikonia> gorski search for dvd in synaptic-  there is one
[12:13] <ikonia> Woet no
[12:13] <Woet> Oops then.
[12:13] <Innomen> foudn a list
[12:13] <ikonia> Innomen ok
[12:13] <carlinux> it-linux: owner is supposed to be root and the group tty
[12:13] <Innomen> what are you asking?
[12:13] <Innomen> the boot sequence is floopy cd HD
[12:14] <ikonia> Innomen which one of your 3 disks is the harddisk listed first
[12:14] <ikonia> ie: which one will the machine boot off first
[12:14] <Innomen> primary sata the 140
[12:14] <ikonia> Innomen ahhhh really
[12:14] <it-linux> carlinux | Yap, and yours?
[12:14] <Innomen> i put the os on it cus its the fastest
[12:14] <skinnypuppy1334> Woet: next time use the partition manager to shrink your installed partition before you install and choose manual partitioning in setup and create you a new partition for linux in the freespace
[12:14] <carlinux> it-linux: chgrp tty tty* when i reboot, the group change to to root
[12:14] <ikonia> Innomen is that the one that is supposed to be the first device from booting from
[12:14] <ikonia> Innomen as thats actually seen as the 3rd disk
[12:15] <Woet> i thought there was no data on it to safe skinnypuppy1334
[12:15] <Arepie> Hello.. how can i install a .sh file??
[12:15] <Innomen> i know
[12:15] <Woet> but now my boss tells me there was
[12:15] <Woet> :x
[12:15] <Innomen> its weird
[12:15] <ikonia> Arepie ./$filename
[12:15] <Arepie> cool
[12:15] <ikonia> Innomen ok can we do another grub test ?
[12:15] <Innomen> of course
[12:15] <Innomen> it'll take a minute to boot back into the cd
[12:15] <skinnypuppy1334> Nothing to save, just so you dont trash another in the future.
[12:15] <carlinux> it-linux: how can i change tty* group and keep setting when i reboot ?
[12:15] <ikonia> Innomen it sounds like your bios is arguing on the order of the disks with your OS
[12:15] <ikonia> Innomen ready for commands ?
[12:15] <Innomen> no, loading livecd
[12:15] <ikonia> Innomen: shout when ready
[12:16] <Auckla> Can anyone explain why I can no longer watch any video's? It was working fine two seconds ago, and now the screens are all garbled. Even if I use mplayer or movie player.
[12:16] <Innomen> oky will do
[12:16] <ikonia> Innomen: FYI: for your reading http://toorcon.techpathways.com/uploads/DetectingAndCollectingWholeDiskEncryptionMedia.pdf
[12:16] <carlinux> it-linux:
[12:16] <carlinux> ps -A | grep tty
[12:16] <carlinux>  6100 tty7     00:01:40 Xorg
[12:17] <ikonia> Innomen: bootguard looks like its the encyption on your disks
[12:17] <RockClimber> any UK'er here bought a ubuntu dell? opinions on the value
[12:17] <carlinux> only tty7 is running
[12:17] <skinnypuppy1334> Auckla: is it just your quicktime files that are garbled?
[12:17] <ikonia> RockClimber no difference in value,
[12:17] <Innomen> neato
[12:17] <Innomen> thank you
[12:17] <ikonia> Innomen just for future reading
[12:17] <Auckla> skinnypuppy1334, Well at first yeah, then I went to go do a quick test with my Robot Chickens, and they will not play either. However the thumbnails all look fine.
[12:17] <it-linux> carlinux | theese all is always root owner, because linux have the security, can you get it?
[12:17] <Innomen> hmmm
[12:17] <presto101> can someone help me im trying to decide between ubuntu and fedora
[12:18] <ikonia> Innomen I guess what is happening is ther is no boot sector on your primary boot disk so its trying to boot from teh boot sector on the encypted disk which is the "boot guard" message?
[12:18] <carlinux> it-linux:yes it's normal that root is the owner
[12:18] <magnetron> presto101: easy. choose ubuntu :)
[12:18] <ikonia> Innomen at a guess
[12:18] <ikonia> presto101 try both
[12:18] <RockClimber> ikonia, sorry, I meant they only offer one model, so whether the ubuntu model is good value versus getting one of the others that isn't built for ubuntu
[12:18] <ikonia> presto101 see which one you like
[12:18] <Innomen> that seems as good an explanation as any
[12:18] <Innomen> better then my thoery
[12:18] <ikonia> RockClimber I think it's weak
[12:18] <pabloz> presto101: I used fedora
[12:18] <it-linux> carlinux | mine all have root access right. And there's no group in it.
[12:18] <Innomen> the ghost of my cat harassing me
[12:18] <pabloz> 2 years ago
[12:18] <presto101> i have actually
[12:18] <pabloz> I used many distors
[12:19] <RockClimber> ikonia, I can't get on the site at the moment so I haven't seen the spec
[12:19] <presto101> ive got pros and cons for both
[12:19] <ikonia> RockClimber basic desktop
[12:19] <pabloz> And I seen ubuntu, i loved it
[12:19] <ikonia> RockClimber see if it meets your needs
[12:19] <presto101> is selinux actually useful?
[12:19] <ikonia> presto101 yes, in secure environments.
[12:19] <ikonia> presto101 for the average user no
[12:19] <skinnypuppy1334> Auckla: might try restarting X I had problems with quicktime files before. If you don't know how to restartX just logout and login again
[12:19] <presto101> also how is virtualzation in ubuntu?
[12:19] <ikonia> presto101 same as every other linux
[12:19] <stefg> !virtualizers
[12:19] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[12:20] <RockClimber> ikonia, probably not. I was hoping it would get round the fact that any high spec dell always has nv or ati gfx. maybe that isn't the case these days.
[12:20] <it-linux> carlinux | I like to help you but I have to go home A.S.A.P , you have my e-mail, right? After all you can ask Ubotu for this session. Sorry and see you. Au revoir...
[12:20] <carlinux> it-linux: what output do u have ls -al /dev/tty2
[12:20] <ikonia> RockClimber nothing wrong with nvidia ;)
[12:20] <carlinux> it-linux: ok thanks
[12:20] <RockClimber> ikonia, I have no need for fancy graphics so I'm happy to have open drivers
[12:20] <skinnypuppy1334> VmWare server is free from vmware site and works on dapper fiesty and gutsy!
[12:20] <pabloz> presto101
[12:20] <Auckla> skinnypuppy1334, Yeah thats what I'm going to do next. I was also having a problem with azaerus(spelling) closing immiadiately upon startup, and Q3 also closing right after I connect to a multiplayer server. Well shortly after I connect that is.
[12:20] <ikonia> RockClimber some of the dells (laptops especially) coem with the intel cards
[12:20] <ikonia> RockClimber 2 I bought recently came with intel
[12:20] <gaara> any of u here experienced with opengl programming?
[12:20] <karthik_> I need a help in configuring sound in ubuntu. I installed alsa,gstreamer and i m able to play songs. Problem arise when i try to jack in my headphones. The laptop speakers still play the sound even after plugging the headphone. I tried googling and got to know that its a well known issue. Tried some suggestions and updated alsa.Nothing really helped. Did anyone encounter anything like this and solved it? ??
[12:20] <karthik_>                 Its a Intel HDA sound card .. I tried volume control and alsa mixer..the headphone jack sense is not available... I tried the front speakers option also.. it controls both laptop speakers as well as headphones...Laptop Model  - Sony vaio VGN-C22GH
[12:20] <presto101> the reason i asked about virtualization is because ive heard about xen with fedora
[12:21] <carlinux> !ask | can someone show me an output of ls -al /dev/tty2
[12:21] <ubotu> can someone show me an output of ls -al /dev/tty2: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:21] <ikonia> presto101 xen is available in ubuntu from 7.10
[12:21] <pabloz> virtualbox under ubuntu presto
[12:21] <presto101> sweet
[12:21] <ikonia> presto101 I think it maybe in the server package for 7.04
[12:21] <RockClimber> ikonia, well that's good news. I might wait for more ati news before buying my next system
[12:21] <stefg> !intelhda | karthik_
[12:21] <ubotu> karthik_: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[12:21] <zhanx> Auckla, try deleting the .azuerus file in your home foldoer
[12:21] <ikonia> RockClimber strap in for a 2 year wait
[12:21] <Auckla> zhanx, Thanks will try.
[12:21] <presto101> i do like deb and synaptic better
[12:21] <chalcedony> what is opera called to apt-get it?
[12:21] <Innomen> is asking if i can ask about asking a question prohibited?
[12:21] <ikonia> chalcedony search for it
[12:22] <Innomen> :)
[12:22] <carlinux> please, can someone show me an output of ls -al /dev/tty2
[12:22] <zille> hallo?
[12:22] <ikonia> carlinux why ?
[12:22] <ikonia> carlinux its created via udev
[12:22] <carlinux> i need to know the group of tty2
[12:22] <chalcedony> you don't want me to go into my rant about web browsers at the moment, please
[12:22] <ikonia> carlinux same as tty1
[12:22] <carlinux> crw-rw---- 1 root root 4, 2 2007-10-02 05:13 /dev/tty2
[12:22] <karthik_> uboto thank u..will try it
[12:22] <presto101> forgive me if this comment sounds stupid but fedora looks better to me
[12:22] <ikonia> chalcedony I didn't ask you to rant, I asked you to search for the package name
[12:22] <zille> hallllllllooooooooooooooooooooooo???????????????????????????
[12:22] <ikonia> presto101 then see how it goes
[12:22] <zille> yfgdf
[12:22] <chalcedony> are there other good we browsers ?
[12:22] <zille> tuchgnh
[12:22] <ikonia> zille best way to get ignored
[12:22] <ikonia> zille well done
[12:22] <Innomen> presto101: if they grab torches, run
[12:22] <carlinux> supposed to be crw-rw---- 1 root tty 4, 2 2007-10-02 05:13 /dev/tty2
[12:23] <zille> jo
[12:23] <pabloz> fedora is more static
[12:23] <ikonia> pabloz thats a nonsense statment
[12:23] <chalcedony> seems like there was one .. funky monkey or something
[12:23] <pabloz> ubuntu s more dynamic for me , presto
[12:23] <Innomen> presto101: its also named aftrer a hat named after a girl, thats a plus
[12:23] <vcool> hi, im having problem with pidgin. i cant receive any files ... but i can send files to my buddies ... any one can help me ?
[12:23] <chalcedony> ikonia: where does one search ?
[12:23] <pabloz> ikonia: way
[12:23] <presto101> hadnt thought of that innomen but your right
[12:23] <ikonia> chalcedony in the package manager, apt or synpatic
[12:23] <Auckla> vcool, Sounds like a firewall issue.
[12:23] <Innomen> :)
[12:23] <ikonia> pabloz its off topic
[12:24] <vcool> no
[12:24] <carlinux> please, can someone show me an output of ls -al /dev/tty2
[12:24] <vcool> i dont have any firewall
[12:24] <ikonia> carlinux tty's are spaned with users
[12:24] <chalcedony> i tried to look in aptitude but i have no clue how
[12:24] <vcool> my laptop directly connect to the internet
[12:24] <Innomen> man this takes forever to boot
[12:24] <ikonia> !apptitude >chalcedony
[12:24] <ikonia> crw------- 1 root root 4, 2 2007-09-14 10:38 /dev/tty2
[12:24] <Innomen> ikonia: do you even recall what you wanted me to type? :P
[12:25] <zhanx> carlinux, crw------- 1 root root 4, 2 2007-10-01 02:52 /dev/tty2
[12:25] <carlinux> ikonia: do u know a lot of tty ? perhaps u can help me
[12:25] <ikonia> Innomen totally
[12:25] <chalcedony> ubotu Sorry, I don't know anything about apptitude - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <Innomen> amazing :)
[12:25] <carlinux> ok
[12:25] <carlinux> thanks
[12:25] <ikonia> !aptitude
[12:25] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:25] <presto101> the reason i brought up looks is that id like to do something in ubuntu to change the fonts or rendering if i could
[12:25] <ikonia> !aptitude  >chalcedony
[12:25] <chalcedony> i repeat to search in something starting with http.. one needs the browser
[12:25] <Innomen> ok, finally
[12:25] <Innomen> ready tp\o typens
[12:25] <ikonia> presto101 you can do that in anything
[12:25] <Innomen> to
[12:25] <ikonia> chalcedony search using aptitude
[12:26] <ikonia> Innomen ready ?
[12:26] <Innomen> yes
[12:26] <vcool> hi, im having problem with pidgin. i cant receive any files ... but i can send files to my buddies ... any one can help me ?
[12:26] <presto101> is there something fedora uses or is it just fonts and art/
[12:26] <ikonia> Innomen "sudo grub"
[12:26] <presto101> ?
[12:26] <chalcedony> ikonia: with what?
[12:26] <Innomen> done
[12:26] <ikonia> Innomen "root (hd2,2)
[12:26] <ikonia> Innomen: " setup (hd2)"
[12:26] <Innomen> done
[12:26] <ikonia> Innomen: "quit"
[12:26] <ikonia> chalcedony aptitude
[12:26] <Arepie> ikonia: i can't run the shell script file..
[12:26] <ikonia> Arepie what does it say
[12:26] <chalcedony> presto101: are you in the wrong room? fedora [12:26] <Innomen> oky
[12:27] <ikonia>  look ok ?
[12:27] <Innomen> reboot again?
[12:27] <ikonia> Innomen yup, when you are rady
[12:27] <Innomen> yea
[12:27] <ikonia> ready
[12:27] <Innomen> no errors this time
[12:27] <chalcedony> ikonia: i do not have a working browser. i need opera or something
[12:27] <ikonia> Innomen ok, lets see what you get
[12:27] <Innomen> if this works you get 10$ via paypal :)
[12:27] <ikonia> chalcedony you've told me that 3 times, and I've tod you 3 times search for a browser using the aptitude or synaptic package manager
[12:27] <Innomen> if you take tips
[12:27] <Arepie> ikinia: arepie@Arepie:~/Desktop$ ./install-crossover-pro5.0.0.sh - bash: ./install-crossover-pro5.0.0.sh: No such file or directory
[12:27] <ikonia> Innomen no need for that, just "thanks" is anotugh
[12:28] <ikonia> Arepie you need to be in the same dir as your script
[12:28] <ikonia> Innomen: lets see if it fixes it first before getting excited
[12:28] <Innomen> well i dont think it will work
[12:28] <Innomen> my cat is mean
[12:28] <Arepie> ikonia: yes.. of course.. the file was in the desktop..
[12:28] <tparcina> I need to downgrade from python-2.5 to python-2.4, how can I do that?
[12:28] <Innomen> oh boy look at that, bootguard
[12:29] <ikonia> Innomen: same again
[12:29] <Innomen> loading
[12:29] <ikonia> Innomen: ok, lets try one more test, then we can step up a gear
[12:29] <minimec> Hi folks. Using Compiz-fusion I have some programs that 'slip' under the gnome-panel when I start them (typically software with 'gravity northeast'). Is there a way to avoid that?
[12:29] <tparcina> downgrade of package, how can it be done?
[12:29] <ikonia> tparcina what do you want to downgrade
[12:29] <chalcedony> ikonia: i'm sorry. i'm tired and ready to cry from this browser mess. how do i uninstall lynx-cur ?
[12:30] <ikonia> chalcedony open the package manager, search for lynx and hit uninstall
[12:30] <chalcedony> i like lynx .. the cur turns it green
[12:30] <tparcina> ikonia: python, from 2.5 to 2.4
[12:30] <ikonia> tparcina how did you install python 2.5 ?
[12:30] <chalcedony> it divides into categories that don't make any sense to me
[12:30] <Innomen> brb caffine
[12:30] <ikonia> chalcedony: read the link I sent you and it will explain it
[12:31] <tparcina> ikonia: from cli
[12:31] <ikonia> Innomen no problem
[12:31] <ikonia> tparcina how, using apt ?
[12:31] <tparcina> ikonia: yes
[12:31] <ikonia> tparcina or from a tar file
[12:31] <ikonia> tparcina sorry which one
[12:31] <tparcina> from apt-get install python...
[12:31] <chalcedony> maybe you can read a link without a browser ?
[12:31] <ikonia> tparcina thats good news, so yes, you should be able to downgrade
[12:31] <ikonia> chalcedony you have lynx
[12:31] <tparcina> ikonia: can you please tell me how?
[12:32] <ikonia> tparcina 1 moment
[12:32] <chalcedony>    3. Package Management
[12:32] <chalcedony> SSL error:no issuer was found-Continue? (y)
[12:32] <ikonia> yes
[12:32] <zhanx> weirdness i cant get my z600 printer to show up in the install dialog
[12:33] <Innomen> backl and its still booting
[12:33] <Innomen> lol
[12:33] <chalcedony> AptitudeSurvivalGuidehttps:/help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:33] <chalcedony>    This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use
[12:33] <chalcedony>    one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a
[12:33] <chalcedony>    similar page already exists.
[12:33] <zhanx> i did the alien z600llpdk and dpkg -i on the .deb the printer detects but cant find the driver
[12:33] <zhanx> !z600
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about z600 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <cow_2001> i've used the deb files from http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=Pidgin
[12:33] <Innomen> oky terminal up
[12:34] <cow_2001> will apt install newer versions of pidgin after that?
[12:34] <cow_2001> or do i have to install newer versions from the repository by myself?
[12:34] <dgjones> cow_2001, you'll need to install new versions yourself
[12:34] <stefg> !pidgin
[12:34] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[12:35] <IndyGunFreak> the newest version of pidgin isn't in the repository.
[12:35] <zhanx> can any help with cups and a lexmark printer
[12:35] <cow_2001> dgjones: will pidgin ever enter feisty's reps?
[12:35] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: no
[12:35] <stefg> !cups
[12:35] <tparcina> ikonia: well, can you tell me how to downgrade?
[12:36] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:36] <Innomen> i think he/she's passed out
[12:36] <cow_2001> okay, thank you all for helping me today and yesterday!
[12:36] <dgjones> cow_2001, no, its not included because it wasn't available when Fiesty was released
[12:36] <stefg> !backports
[12:36] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[12:36] <IndyGunFreak> dgjones: oddly enough, i upgraded my PC and laptop to gutsy last night, and Pidgin isn't in the repos either, its still gaim.
[12:37] <IndyGunFreak> but pidgin is pre-installed
[12:37] <cow_2001> dgjones: repositories never get newer software after their official release?
[12:37] <dgjones> cow_2001, no, generally only bug fixes
[12:37] <Innomen> thats smart
[12:37] <cow_2001> dgjones: so it won't break everything else, right?
[12:37] <Innomen> if it aint broke dont fix it
[12:37] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: just compile pidgin from souce, its not hard.
[12:37] <Innomen> if ytou want the cutting edge go be beta
[12:38] <Innomen> i like that logic
[12:38] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: i've installed using the deb files linked from the wiki
[12:38] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: what wiki is that?
[12:38] <dgjones> IndyGunFreak, interesting, maybe the repo's are still being updated
[12:38] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=Pidgin
[12:38] <IndyGunFreak> dgjones: possibly, i found it wierd also.
[12:38] <cow_2001> err... sorry
[12:38] <cow_2001> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[12:38] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: that version has a security flaw.
[12:39] <IndyGunFreak> if you use MSN
[12:39] <IndyGunFreak> http://www.pidgin.im
[12:39] <cow_2001> 2.1.1?
[12:39] <dgjones> IndyGunFreak, isn't that the flaw - using MSN :)
[12:39] <IndyGunFreak> no, 2.2.0
[12:39] <IndyGunFreak> dgjones: lol, no argument from me...lol
[12:39] <cow_2001> oooh, doodie!
[12:39] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: thats why i was saying, compile it from source
[12:40] <dgjones> IndyGunFreak, glad you mentioned that, I'll have to check which versions i'm running at home & upgrade
[12:40] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: okay. i should follow the instructions in pidgin.im, right?
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> dgjones: yeah, i was doing something ysterday, and happened to look at pidgin's website while doing all that upgrading, and saw the security alert
[12:40] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: well, you'll have to resolve a bunch of dependencies
[12:41] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: its easy though, go to pidgin.im, and download the tarball.
[12:41] <Le^stat> where do i find a clean sources list for feisty?
[12:41] <cow_2001> someone linked me to some web page, but the logging wasnt on so i don't have it here
[12:41] <shaun> anyone here got compiz working with ati gfx on 7.10beta?
[12:41] <stefg> !easysource | Le^stat
[12:41] <ubotu> Le^stat: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:41] <ikonia_> sorry, my connection dropped
[12:41] <Innomen> can i make this thing beep when my name is used?
[12:41] <Le^stat> ty
[12:41] <Innomen> no worries
[12:41] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: I don' know... its easy t comnpile, i'll tell you how to do it.
[12:41] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: how do i figure out how to resolve the dep hell?
[12:42] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: i'll tell you
[12:42] <IndyGunFreak> go download the tarball
[12:42] <cow_2001> thanks
[12:42] <Innomen> ikonia: its up
[12:42] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & TIme', i get an empty window with only the title.
[12:42] <Innomen> "type sudo justworkdammit"
[12:42] <IndyGunFreak> sudo apt-get me a cup of coffee
[12:43] <ikonia_> Innomen ok, last test before we have to get a bit more seroius
[12:43] <ikonia_> Innomen: "sudo grub"
[12:43] <ikonia_> Innomen: "root (hd2,2)"
[12:43] <ikonia_> Innomen: "setup (hd1)"
[12:43] <ikonia_> Innomen: "quit"
[12:44] <Innomen> rebooting
[12:44] <ikonia_> Innomen: I don't expect this to work
[12:44] <Innomen> me either
[12:44] <Innomen> :P
[12:44] <Innomen> we're cynical
[12:44] <ikonia_> Innomen got to test though
[12:44] <Innomen> i hear ya
[12:44] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: should i uninstall 2.1.1? apt-get remove pidgin
[12:45] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: not necessary
[12:45] <ikonia_> Innomen I expected setup (hd0) or setup (hd2) to work
[12:45] <Innomen> ok that gave us the grub menu
[12:45] <ikonia_> Innomen no way !
[12:45] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: shouldn't be, if you want to you can
[12:45] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & TIme', i get an empty window with only the title.
[12:45] <Innomen> but when i choose any ubuntu option i get "no such partition"
[12:45] <Innomen> "error 22"
[12:45] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: what happens after i install with the source and install a new version of pidgin using the rep?
[12:45] <ikonia_> Innomen thats ok - thats your men.lst being borked
[12:45] <Innomen> and when i pick xp
[12:45] <ikonia_> Innomen thats easy to fix
[12:45] <Innomen> sweet
[12:46] <ikonia_> Innomen you may want to make a note of these settings though
[12:46] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: you'll have all the dependencies resolved, and it will take about 10min to recompile..
[12:46] <ikonia_> Innomen: ready
[12:46] <Innomen> *carves little statues of iknoia*
[12:46] <ikonia_> Innomen your bios boot order is borked
[12:46] <ikonia_> Innomen /dev/sda = (hd1) /dev/sdb (hd0) /dev/hdc (hd2)
[12:46] <ikonia_> Innomen: and your boot device is sdb
[12:46] <ikonia_> oor
[12:46] <ikonia_> sda
[12:46] <ikonia_> oops
[12:46] <ikonia_> sda
[12:46] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: i mean, what will happen to all the files from the source? it wouldn't erase all the unnecessary files that the rep package don't use
[12:47] <Innomen> i log all of this but i pasted notes
[12:47] <ikonia_> ok , worth knowing
[12:47] <Innomen> so what do i do now?
[12:47] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: no, when you download the new source code, you compile it, then delete the old source code folder
[12:47] <ikonia_> Innomen this is why ubuntu is giving problems, your bios boot order is nuts
[12:47] <ikonia_> Innomen boot the livecd and lets fix your menu.lst
[12:47] <Innomen> yea i had alot of problems putting that drive in there
[12:47] <Innomen> oky
[12:47] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: you don't understand me
[12:47] <IndyGunFreak> apparently.
[12:48] <Innomen> i do
[12:48] <Innomen> i understand indy gun freak
[12:48] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: what happens later after i've used the source package happily and want a package from the repo
[12:48] <Innomen> guns are like freedom
[12:48] <IndyGunFreak> i'm difficult to understand at times.
[12:48] <Innomen> oh wait yur not talking about that
[12:48] <DjViper> cow_2001: did you install pidgin 2.2.* from repo?
[12:48] <Innomen> :)
[12:48] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: just install it.
[12:48] <cow_2001> DjViper: i wish. feisty doesn't have it
[12:49] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: don't get super excited, neither does gutsy, for whatever reason
[12:49] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: i've decompressed it in root
[12:49] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: /root/pidgin-2.1.1
[12:49] <IndyGunFreak> you don't need to decompress it in root.. but ok..
[12:49] <Innomen> so you think we can fix this ikonia?
[12:50] <DjViper> cow_2001: you can find it in this repo: http://repository.debuntu.org/
[12:50] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: why did you do that/.. just put it in your home flder.
[12:50] <Innomen> reassure me while its booting lol
[12:50] <Innomen> Iz a scareded *sniffle*
[12:50] <IndyGunFreak> DjViper: thats 2.2.0, it has a security flaw.
[12:50] <ikonia> Innomen it will be fine
[12:50] <Innomen> yay!
[12:50] <Innomen> :P
[12:50] <ikonia> let me just close my duplicate connection
[12:50] <cjae_> how do I leave email messages on my isp's server? or can I so I can access them from other email clients
[12:50] <DjViper> IndyGunFreak: hmm?
[12:50] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: anyways, put the source code in your home folder.
[12:51] <Innomen> have fun
[12:51] <IndyGunFreak> DjViper: http://www.pidgin.im
[12:51] <cow_2001> why?
[12:51] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & TIme', i get an empty window with only the title.
[12:51] <IndyGunFreak> well, as long as you know hwo to cd into the directory where the source is, i don't care whre it is, i'm jus tnot spending 10min telling you how to cd
[12:51] <ikonia> ok
[12:51] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: i've already cded
[12:51] <Innomen> ok its up
[12:52] <IndyGunFreak> ok, putting the cart before the horse, but ok.
[12:52] <IndyGunFreak> open a terminal, and type this w/o quotes... "sudo apt-get build-dep gaim"
[12:52] <IndyGunFreak> its gonna want to install a ton of crap
[12:52] <Innomen> whats sudo mean?
[12:52] <IndyGunFreak> !sudo
[12:52] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:52] <SpiderPig> super user
[12:52] <Innomen> ahhh
[12:52] <Innomen> thanky
[12:53] <SpiderPig> rootbeer
[12:53] <cow_2001> super user do
[12:53] <Innomen> !rootbeer
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rootbeer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Innomen> heheheh
[12:53] <SpiderPig> lol :D
[12:53] <cow_2001> i love root beer.
[12:53] <SpiderPig> indeed
[12:53] <SpiderPig> i love it also + dr pepper
[12:53] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: are all those dependencies installing?
[12:53] <cjae_> rootbeer is hard to make flat
[12:53] <Innomen> !being_sexy
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being_sexy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: yep
[12:54] <IndyGunFreak> ok
[12:54] <Innomen> sorry
[12:54] <Innomen> i wont do it anymore
[12:54] <overclucker> su is substitute user
[12:54] <ikonia> overclucker "switch user"
[12:54] <pabloz> !he he he
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about he he he - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <cow_2001> i hope the newer version of grub will enter soon
[12:54] <ikonia> !botabuse >pabloz
[12:54] <Innomen> oh it takes spaces!
[12:54] <SpiderPig> sudo is a way to keep idiots away from destroying their own system with root privilages
[12:54] <ikonia> Innomen it doesn't
[12:54] <Innomen> i wasnt willing to risk it
[12:54] <cow_2001> and the gui that sets it
[12:54] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: once its done, cd to the source directory, run ./configure, then when thats done, make, then when thats done, sudo make install
[12:54] <Innomen> ahhh
[12:55] <Innomen> hidden goodness
[12:55] <Innomen> anyway
[12:55] <kiss_kill_> hehe
[12:55] <Innomen> what now
[12:55] <pabloz> !bootabuse > pabloz | grep "nice"
[12:55] <Innomen> terminal is up
[12:55] <overclucker> ikonia: really? i'll hace to rereead the man
[12:55] <ikonia> overclucker yup
[12:56] <IndyGunFreak> ikonia: have you bothered upgrading to feisty
[12:56] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & TIme', i get an empty window with only the title.
[12:56] <IndyGunFreak> i mean gutsy, sorry, long morning
[12:56] <ikonia> gusty
[12:56] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak I have 2 test machiens running it
[12:57] <IndyGunFreak> seems to work well.
[12:57] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak my workstation is still on feisty
[12:57] <Innomen> :)
[12:57] <IndyGunFreak> *work*?..lol
[12:57] <Innomen> the names are cutre
[12:57] <Innomen> cute
[12:57] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak yes, lots of pro's a few minor niggles and very few critical stuff
[12:57] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak I've been pleased with its progress comopared to how fesity went
[12:57] <cow_2001> would you call gutsy is stable-ish?
[12:57] <Innomen> am i supposed to be doing something?
[12:57] <ikonia> cow_2001 no
[12:58] <ikonia> Innomen yeah, is your livecd booted ?
[12:58] <Innomen> yes
[12:58] <IndyGunFreak> ikonia: i have one minor issue with Gutsy i can't figure out, although i've not had much time to put into it.. I have dual displays, and whenever i do something that requires root, the place to put the password is exactly between the two monitors, can't figure out how to move it.
[12:58] <cow_2001> so it crashes every few mins?
[12:58] <ikonia> Innomen: ok - first thing "sudo mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt"
[12:58] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak nudge me when I get home and I'll show you how to fix that, its a problem with the nvidia drivers, had it in gusty
[12:58] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak silly hidden option that fixes that
[12:59] <Innomen> oky
[12:59] <Innomen> didnt say anything
[12:59] <Innomen> i assume it did it
[12:59] <pabloz> Paganini The Hunt ' Op.1/9  AND ubuntu is cool
[12:59] <livingdaylight> Hola Ubunteros!
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> ikonia: hmmm ok.. i'll get with you on that, thats the only problem i've had thus far, not really a problem, etc.
[12:59] <ikonia> Innomen lets find out. "ls -la /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst"
[12:59] <Innomen> hola! como esta?
[12:59] <Innomen> :P
[12:59] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & TIme', i get an empty window with only the title.
[12:59] <Innomen> dont know spanish so dont start
[12:59] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak nudge me - 5 hours and I'll be home
[01:00] <IndyGunFreak> lol, ok
[01:00] <Innomen> oky it gave me a list
[01:00] <Woet> I cant close it anymore, only by rebooting my computer.
[01:00] <Innomen> shall i type it?
[01:00] <ikonia> Innomen perfect
[01:00] <livingdaylight> I want to upgrade my distro to GutsyMel...
[01:00] <ikonia> Innomen be good if you can show it me in the pastbin
[01:00] <ikonia> livingdaylightlivingdaylight gsutymel ?
[01:00] <Innomen> i cant cut and paste
[01:00] <livingdaylight> do i sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[01:00] <Innomen> diffrent mqachine
[01:00] <ikonia> Innomen what a pain
[01:00] <Innomen> i'll trype
[01:00] <Innomen> no biggie
[01:00] <ikonia> Innomen great, stick it in a pastebin
[01:01] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & Time', i get an empty window with only the title. I cant close it anymore, only by rebooting my computer.
[01:01] <ikonia> Woet stop asking every minute
[01:01] <Innomen> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4512 2007-10-02 04:45 /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:02] <predaeus> Woet, can't you just kill that process, instead of rebooting?
[01:02] <pabloz> Woet likes clicks on the  right upper corner
[01:02] <ikonia> Innomen ok, I'm going to have to work in the dark on this so you'll have to be my eyes
[01:02] <Innomen> *cleans glaqsses*
[01:02] <Innomen> ready
[01:02] <Innomen> :)
[01:02] <Woet> How do i kill a process?
[01:02] <ikonia> Innomen open /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst in a text editor with sudo
[01:02] <Woet> And why cant i adjust my time ? :-/
[01:02] <Innomen> oky
[01:03] <kst> Woet ps -A | grep <name> shows you the number
[01:03] <pabloz> woet: first you must lists the proceses
[01:03] <kst> then you can do kill <number>
[01:03] <Woet> i just want to adjust my time on ubuntu
[01:03] <Woet> :-/
[01:03] <livingdaylight> can i do sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[01:03] <ikonia> yes
[01:04] <Innomen> gawd
[01:04] <Innomen> newb
[01:04] <Scarey> Woet: System > Administration > System Monitor is also an option.
[01:04] <Innomen> how do i do that?
[01:04] <Woet> i just want to adjust my time on ubuntu
[01:04] <IndyGunFreak> livingdaylight: there's still some minor bugs though.. unless you love messing things up, ight be wise to wait a few.
[01:04] <ikonia> Innomen do what ?
[01:04] <predaeus> Woet, are you on Feisty or already on Gutsy?
[01:04] <Innomen> open the file "with sudo"
[01:04] <Woet> Feisty
[01:04] <livingdaylight> IndyGunFreak, i don't mind minor bugs... i hear Gutsy is pretty ready for my desktop now
[01:04] <ikonia> Innomen Innomen in a teminal do "sudo $editor_name /mnt/boor/grub/menu.lst"
[01:04] <predaeus> Woet, hm, then I don't know. Maybe scan launchpad for bug reports, or file on yourself.
[01:04] <IndyGunFreak> livingdaylight: thus far, with the exeption of a couple minor things, is been fine for me.
[01:04] <ikonia> livingdaylight still in beta
[01:04] <Innomen> oky
[01:05] <IndyGunFreak> but it is STILL beta
[01:05] <livingdaylight> what comes after beta?
[01:05] <Woet> it has worked 1 time, but now it doesnt anymore
[01:05] <Woet> :<
[01:05] <IndyGunFreak> final release
[01:05] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[01:05] <ikonia> livingdaylight release candidates, or straight to final
[01:05] <livingdaylight> IndyGunFreak, what is the worst i can expect?
[01:05] <ikonia> livingdaylight depends on your needs/setup/config
[01:05] <predaeus> Woet, you can also change date with the "date" command at the command line interface I think.
[01:05] <ikonia> livingdaylight it may not work at ll
[01:05] <IndyGunFreak> livingdaylight: depends on your pc i guess.
[01:05] <ikonia> Innomen: say when you are ready
[01:05] <Woet> i want it to enable synching with the internet predaeus
[01:05] <Innomen> its not working
[01:06] <ikonia> Innomen what is the problem
[01:06] <Innomen> $editor_name ?
[01:06] <predaeus> Woet, ah. Sorry I don't know how to do that by hand.
[01:06] <ikonia> Innomen: replace that with the editor you want to use, nano/vi/emavs
[01:06] <Innomen> i ttyped that, nothing and then tried text editor cus thats what its called lol
[01:06] <ikonia> etc
[01:06] <Innomen> which one is default lol
[01:06] <Cin> since i did an upgrade a few days ago to the latest kernel, amarok started freezing for ages when doing things
[01:06] <IndyGunFreak> ikonia: i found the issue with the password thing.. it was an odd setting in my nvidia-settings... reset it and it works fien now.
[01:06] <ikonia> Innomen: do "sudo nano /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:06] <Cin> anyone else experienced this since their last updated?
[01:06] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak how od
[01:06] <punzada> yeah use nano, nano is most likely the most user friendly
[01:06] <Cin> s/udpated/update
[01:07] <punzada> vi is freaking evil even when you know it well ;/ lol
[01:07] <Innomen> oky its open
[01:07] <IndyGunFreak> ikonia: yeah, it had my second monitor resolution set to "auto", and my first to 1280x1024.. i guess with it being auto, it kept putting crap right in the middle of the two monitors.
[01:07] <ikonia> Innomen ok - go down to the bottom, and scroll up until you see title "ubuntu"
[01:07] <IndyGunFreak> so i switched the second monitor to 1280x1024, and its fine.
[01:07] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak fantastic
[01:07] <vinboy> is there any gadgets for linux?   such as the windows sidebar or yahoo widgets or google gadgets
[01:08] <Innomen> i see them
[01:08] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak there is an nvidia option that sets one of the two displays as primary and always launches on the primary
[01:08] <IndyGunFreak> it did wonk up my panels along the top though..lol, thats an easy fix though
[01:08] <Innomen> normal recovery m,ode and memtest
[01:08] <ikonia> IndyGunFreak there is another option that is launch on active, so where ever your mouse is it luanches
[01:08] <ikonia>                       an easy fix though
[01:08] <ikonia> oops
[01:08] <IndyGunFreak> gnn,
[01:08] <ikonia> Innomen ok - they are not commented out with "#" are they ?
[01:08] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i'll lok around for that.
[01:08] <Innomen> no
[01:09] <ikonia> Innomen great
[01:09] <chopchop_> I got a problem getting the sound works with ubuntu 7.10 . Im using a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop, does any1 have experienced with this laptop?
[01:09] <ikonia> Innomen so as you can see each has a "root" line, yes ?
[01:09] <Innomen> yea 2,2
[01:09] <Innomen> for all three
[01:09] <ikonia> Innomen perfect
[01:09] <ikonia> Innomen so you should also see a "root=$something" line
[01:09] <dgjones> !gutsy | chopchop_, Ubuntu 7.10 is supported in #ubuntu+1
[01:09] <ubotu> chopchop_, Ubuntu 7.10 is supported in #ubuntu+1: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[01:10] <Innomen> no "="
[01:10] <Woet> When i do rightclick on the time on the right upper corner, and then 'Adjust Date & Time', i get an empty window with only the title. I cant close it anymore, only by rebooting my computer.
[01:10] <ikonia> Innomen 1 moment
[01:10] <Innomen> "root tab tab tab (hd2,2)"
[01:10] <chopchop_> thx
[01:11] <ikonia> Innomen: do you see the kernel line for each item ?
[01:11] <ikonia> Innomen kernel blah blah root=$blah
[01:11] <Innomen> yes
[01:11] <ikonia> Innomen ok - what is the root line, /dev/sda or a load of random 342342jfskj2342k34j2
[01:11] <Innomen> long string
[01:11] <Innomen> no slashes
[01:12] <ikonia> Innomen so it says UUID=$34534oi3u5kjehlkjhe
[01:12] <ikonia> something like that
[01:12] <Innomen> yes
[01:12] <ikonia> Innomen: ok, I have to go in a minute for 30 minutes, so pay attention to this bit
[01:12] <ikonia> Innomen ready ?
[01:12] <Innomen> will do
[01:12] <Innomen> rdy
[01:12] <ikonia> Innomen so your ubuntu file system is on /dev/sdc3 - correct
[01:12] <Innomen> yes
[01:13] <reverie> !e1000
[01:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about e1000 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:13] <ikonia> Innomen you need to open another windows and do "sudo blkid" and in the output look for /dev/sdc3 - you'll get a UUID=348723i42734 line, change the line in the other grub windows to match the uid from the output of "blkid"
[01:13] <ikonia> Innomen: does that make sense
[01:13] <Innomen> yes
[01:13] <ikonia> Innomen if it goes wrong, I'll be back in 30 minutes
[01:13] <Innomen> !blkid
[01:13] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[01:13] <Innomen> okyt
[01:13] <Innomen> cya soon thanx
[01:14] <ikonia> Innomen but thats all you need to do, make sure the uuid matches the entry in grub
[01:14] <Innomen> oky
[01:14] <ikonia> Innomen for the right disk, which in your case is /dev/sdc3
[01:14] <ikonia> back in 30
[01:14] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: did you manage to get all that compiled?
[01:14] <vmlinuz1> gu
[01:15] <vmlinuz1> *hi
[01:15] <heguru> Innomen: I am here to help you match the UUID while ikonia is away :)
[01:15] <vmlinuz1> anybody knows why i have this problem with touchpad? http://rafb.net/p/plCRSB91.html
[01:15] <heguru> Innomen: in case you need any help that is
[01:16] <katti> how did i get my correct horiz and vert freq? I've tryed xresprobe nv but the freq field is empty
[01:16] <heguru> Innomen: though somehow i think the UUID's will already be the same
[01:16] <reverie> Hi guys
[01:16] <Innomen> they are
[01:16] <reverie> uhm, I have a problem with th e1000 kernel module
[01:16] <reverie> its working
[01:17] <reverie> yet i get incredibly slow transfers over samba
[01:17] <Innomen> the uuids are already macthed
[01:17] <reverie> like 250mbit/s
[01:17] <heguru> Innomen: just as I thought
[01:17] <reverie> er i mean 50mbit/s
[01:17] <Innomen> its my cats ghost i'm telling you
[01:17] <Innomen> she's mad because i wouldent let her pee in my room
[01:17] <Innomen> :P
[01:18] <reverie> Innomen, lol, my ex-cat is driving a tank in kitty heaven
[01:18] <reverie> at least that's what I tell myself
[01:18] <reverie> she got hit by a car
[01:18] <Innomen> :/
[01:18] <Innomen> mine went awol
[01:18] <Innomen> mia presumed dead
[01:18] <reverie> but I got a cool pic of her, so I'm going to make her a lolcat :)
[01:18] <Innomen> she was 13.5
[01:18] <reverie> since she was hiding in the mailbox
[01:18] <Innomen> in human years
[01:18] <reverie> a real mailbox, mind you
[01:19] <Innomen> nice lol
[01:19] <Pici> !ot
[01:19] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:19] <reverie> 56min to copy a 10gb file over 100mbit ethernet.. riiiight
[01:19] <reverie> sigh
[01:19] <Innomen> pici: $%^& me, i've been on topic for like 4 hours now, i can make a diversion while waiting for an on topic responce
[01:19] <Innomen> some people
[01:19] <Innomen> sheesh
[01:19] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: Hurrah! pidgin-2.2.1
[01:20] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: told you it wasn't hard.
[01:20] <zhanx> yea got my printer working... now time for a backup
[01:20] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: now, when 2.2.x comes out, simply compile the new source, and delete the old source
[01:20] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: is it all in /usr/local?
[01:20] <Innomen> hegurru: better hurry up, pici is getting snippy, gotta get back on topic
[01:20] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: i've never really investiated whre it installs, sorry.
[01:20] <zhanx> !backup
[01:20] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:20] <hegur1> Innomen: lols, well i am thinking what could be the problem
[01:20] <Innomen> i was just gunna patneitnly wait until you were ready
[01:21] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: i dislike source installation because it wastes a lot of time to update every source package i've installed
[01:21] <Innomen> :)
[01:21] <phatfish> The current release keeps sending my old laptop to sleep after about 60 seconds of idle time. I guess its an ACPI thing, i get some something during boot about ACPI that goes past too fast to see. Any ideas?
[01:21] <Innomen> its xp
[01:21] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: true, but when the old version you're using ha bugs, security flaws, or lacks features you need, what choice do you have/
[01:21] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: unless it's done with source deb files from the repo... or gentoo
[01:21] <hegur1> and that i am doing for past few hours as different people try to help you
[01:21] <cow_2001> IndyGunFreak: true.
[01:21] <Innomen> i'm gunna have to move it off, wipe the drive, install ubuntu and then move it back
[01:22] <Innomen> thing is i dont own a drive big enough
[01:22] <Innomen> i could wipe the backup of the 300
[01:22] <hegur1> Innomen: i don't thing its XP
[01:22] <Innomen> but as sure as i'm sitting here, thats when the first one would fail
[01:22] <reverie> can a reiserfs be resized ?
[01:22] <cow_2001> Innomen: yarr! this is pirateeeeeee!
[01:22] <katti> is there a way to get the livecd xorg.conf
[01:23] <Innomen> yarrr i be no pirate, i'm a ninja
[01:23] <cow_2001> Innomen: you've ninjad 300 from a torrent?
[01:23] <reverie> pirates are stinky, drunk slobs!
[01:23] <Breezy> what is the easiest way to find out what version of ubuntu is running?  The System...About  doesn't seem to do the trick like I espected..
[01:23] <cow_2001> Innomen: that doesn't sound good
[01:23] <cow_2001> reverie: agreed.
[01:24] <Innomen> no but i saw a great youtube where the guy screamed "this is CAKE TOWN"
[01:24] <Innomen> sorry off tipic
[01:24] <varka> Breezy: lsb_release -a
[01:24] <Breezy> varka: Thanks...
[01:25] <way2cool> hey all
[01:25] <cow_2001> okay, i'm off. thank you very much, IndyGunFreak!
[01:25] <heguru> Innomen: ok one thing, have to tried booting into the LIVECD and then from the boot menu select the last option (Boot from First Hard Disk)
[01:25] <IndyGunFreak> cow_2001: np, good night/morning
[01:25] <Innomen> heburu been doing that the whole time to avoid ahveing to take the cd in and out
[01:25] <Innomen> i very lazy
[01:26] <heguru> Innomen: ahaan
[01:26] <Innomen> notice i said i instead of i'm
[01:26] <cow_2001> 13:25 GMT+2
[01:26] <cow_2001> good after noon :)
[01:26] <Innomen> from the grub menu you can point it to various drives
[01:26] <Jack_Sparrow> katti: It is easy enough to reconfigure the one you have..
[01:26] <IndyGunFreak> wonder when medibuntu will have a gutsy repo.
[01:26] <Innomen> they either dont exist or nothing happens
[01:26] <Breezy> okay...is there an ubuntu tool to modify your boot loader menu items?
[01:26] <switchon> hey
[01:26] <heguru> Innomen: I had a situation on one machine which would ONLY boot if I select boot from first hard disk off the LiveCD Menu!
[01:26] <switchon> hier sind aba viele leute
[01:26] <switchon> spricht i-wer deutsch
[01:26] <Innomen> breezy: if you find it, i want it
[01:27] <switchon> ey leute
[01:27] <switchon> ignoriert mich doch net
[01:27] <Innomen> heguru: thats creepy
[01:27] <kst> switchon yes, but stick to english please
[01:27] <Innomen> dont say things like that
[01:27] <way2cool> im at work right now, and my box is connected at home. however I got the IP from my ISP, trying to ssh it, with no luck. my isp said that its connected at home.
[01:27] <switchon> ok ok
[01:27] <way2cool> anything i can do?
[01:27] <switchon> me is booring
[01:27] <switchon> what should i do?
[01:27] <kst> yeah, you're boring :D
[01:27] <Innomen> lol
[01:27] <switchon> way2cool: yes you can enterain me
[01:27] <heguru> Innomen: luckily that machine's hard disk failed soon and i replaced it with another machine with *sane* bios :D
[01:28] <Innomen> switchon: i've been trying to answer that one for myself for years
[01:28] <Innomen> heheh
[01:28] <phead> !tell me about aptitude
[01:28] <switchon> lol
[01:28] <Innomen> brb
[01:28] <switchon> do you know www.google.de
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> does anyone know what ubuntu 8.04 is gonna be codenamed?
[01:28] <switchon> or google.com
[01:28] <switchon> a very good page
[01:28] <dgjones> !hardy | IndyGunFreak
[01:28] <switchon> ^^
[01:28] <ubotu> IndyGunFreak: Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008.   Is there anything special one has to do to get that running?  Is there a low-latency configuration for the X?
[01:30] <heguru> Innomen: did you try updating your BIOS to the latest?
[01:30] <switchon> way2cool: do you have ICQ?
[01:30] <Innomen> yea, i keep it up to date
[01:30] <switchon> fuck you, nobody is interested in that
[01:30] <Jack_Sparrow> katti: It usually is not the video card driver but the monitor settings, refresh rates etc..
[01:30] <heguru> !ohmy | switchon
[01:30] <switchon> sorry, but someone have to say it anytime
[01:30] <ubotu> switchon: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:31] <Innomen> lol
[01:31] <Jack_Sparrow> switchon: watch the language please
[01:31] <switchon> yes yes
[01:31] <Innomen> switcon is a hata
[01:31] <switchon> be cool
[01:31] <Innomen> i like that
[01:31] <switchon> dito^^
[01:31] <Innomen> :)
[01:31] <switchon> lets talk about something else than ubuntu
[01:31] <Innomen> lol
[01:31] <Innomen> thye dont like that
[01:31] <switchon> 24 hours ubuntu is booring
[01:31] <stdin> !topic
[01:31] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:31] <Innomen> i been scolded already
[01:31] <IndyGunFreak> !offtopic | switchon
[01:31] <ubotu> switchon: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter.  (I tried loadkeys in console but the font does not properly display german special characters)
[01:32] <enkrav> you know of any?
[01:32] <Innomen> ok if this just never works can i uninstall ubuntu?
[01:32] <IndyGunFreak> enkrav: lol, why breezy?... Badger has been put to sleep
[01:32] <zhanx> !backup
[01:32] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:32] <Innomen> is it just a simple matter of dleteing the parition?
[01:33] <heguru> Innomen: yeah you can, by booting into XP recovery console (off the XP CD) and running fixmbr
[01:33] <switchon> you all are booring
[01:33] <heguru> Innomen: that will remove the grub menu
[01:33] <Innomen> peaches
[01:33] <Breezy> ...forgot there was version with that name :-)
[01:33] <katti> Jack_Sparrow: Jep. And there is the problem. The crt monitor is old and unknown. And I've lost (of course) the spec. So I tryed tools like xresprobe nv, but the ?correct? freq field is empty. So I use generic horz vert spec
[01:33] <switchon> lets talk about PC Games
[01:33] <Innomen> i'll do that later if i have too
[01:33] <heguru> Innomen: partitions you can then delete from within windows
[01:33] <Innomen> just askin
[01:33] <Jack_Sparrow> enkrav: breezy has reached eol and no longer gets security updates... move up to dapper..at least
[01:33] <switchon> do you know manhunt?
[01:33] <stdin> switchon: stay on topic or leave
[01:33] <switchon> stdin: shut up
[01:33] <stdin> no :)
[01:33] <IndyGunFreak> Innomen: seems the biggest problem(if you're a windows user), is you have to format the mbr back to where windows can read it.
[01:33] <cjae_> how do I import perfs.js from thunderbird to opera
[01:33] <switchon> ^^
[01:33] <jrib> !offtopic | switchon
[01:33] <ubotu> switchon: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter.   MEss around too much and you will fry the old crt
[01:34] <enkrav> ;)
[01:34] <Jack_Sparrow> .
[01:34] <Innomen> right on
[01:34] <jrib> switchon: and please treat everyone in this room with some respect
[01:34] <IndyGunFreak> Innomen: i usually boot my xp disk, run fixmbr and fixboot.. and all goes well.
[01:34] <Innomen> well does anyone have any idea what could be going on?
[01:34] <jrib> !guidelines > switchon (read the private message from ubotu)
[01:34] <IndyGunFreak> Innomen: whats your problem again?
[01:34] <switchon> ok ok
[01:35] <katti> Jack_Sparrow: so the advice is ..? :)
[01:35] <Jack_Sparrow> !eol > enkrav
[01:35] <cjae_> it seems that opera cannot see ubuntus hidden ~ files
[01:35] <Innomen> grub says parition missing whenever i select a ubuntu option, despit the uuids matching in the menu.lst file
[01:35] <way2cool> switchon, how
[01:35] <Davo_Dinkum> for some reason my samsung SGH-D600 wont detect my Orange Micro bluetooth adapter, but my t610 detects it. why would this happen?
[01:35] <switchon> way2cool: tell me a funny story
[01:35] <Innomen> its like they are mislabled
[01:35] <Jack_Sparrow> katti: find the specs on your monitor and set it up right to get the res you want.... before you fry your crt
[01:36] <switchon> is here no mod or admin?
[01:36] <Innomen> but even if i try to trick it it says either not there or wrong parition
[01:36] <dgjones> Innomen, don't rush things, shouldn't be long before Ikonia's back to finish off helping you solve the problem, seems like he's gone a fair way in getting you through it
[01:36] <Jack_Sparrow> katti: If you have searched every corner of the www for your monitor specs and cant find any...  it is time for a new monitor
[01:36] <switchon> y
[01:36] <switchon> e
[01:36] <switchon> a
[01:36] <switchon> h
[01:36] <heguru> Innomen: can you try this: sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=~/mbr bs=1024 count=1024
[01:36] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i'm not much on grub...so i dout i'll be much help
[01:36] <switchon> no
[01:36] <switchon> no
[01:36] <switchon> no
[01:36] <switchon> no
[01:36] <way2cool> switchon, one day i was walking by a villege. then something hit me in a place that we can't speak of.
[01:36] <stdin> !ops | switchon
[01:36] <ubotu> switchon: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[01:36] <Innomen> switchon i love people like you, i was you when i was 15, rules are bad if never challenged, and you'll learn about bureaucracy
[01:36] <carlinux> !ask | does someone know how to change the fonts in tty ?
[01:36] <dgjones> !ops | switch
[01:36] <ubotu> does someone know how to change the fonts in tty ?: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:36] <ubotu> switch: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[01:37] <way2cool> switchon, seriously tho, I'm at work and i want to connect to my ubuntu pc at home.
[01:37] <stdin> ok, ops were too quick :)
[01:37] <jrib> argh he made me drop dvorak to kick him -.-
[01:37] <Davo_Dinkum> !bluetooth
[01:37] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[01:37] <dgjones> thanks jrib
[01:37] <IndyGunFreak> stdin: tere was like 3 of them telling him to relax..lol
[01:37] <vmlinuz1> how can i add kernel option in  ubuntu???
[01:37] <Davo_Dinkum> !samsung