[06:01] <hikiko> hi
[06:02] <hikiko> happy new year !
[06:03] <duflu> Happy new year, hikiko
[06:40] <hikiko> same to you duflu :-)
[07:02] <pitti> Good morning, and happy new year everyone!
[07:52] <duflu> Morning and happy new year pitti
[07:57] <pitti> hey duflu, good morning and happy new year!
[09:02] <Laney> OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> Good morning and happy new year desktopers :-)
[09:09] <pitti> hey Laney, hey flexiondotorg, happy new year! had some nice holidays?
[09:11] <Laney> hey pitti! ahoy flexiondotorg!
[09:12] <Laney> pitti: very good thanks! we went to the seaside (Brighton), then visited two lots of family and were up in the countryside in Yorkshire for the new year
[09:12] <Laney> after being 14° on Christmas Day it got down to -4° or so over NY
[09:13] <Laney> somebody had a telescope so we did some stargazing
[09:14] <Laney> pitti: what about you?
[09:14] <Laney> did you achieve some mind clearance? :-)
[09:15] <Laney> ready for the mind filling to begin now
[09:24] <pitti> Laney: I had a nice three weeks of holidays too, need to get into the mood of working again :)
[09:25] <pitti> spent the last two weeks in Dresden for meeting family and friends again
[09:25] <seb128> Oh, people in there today, was quite empty yesterday
[09:25] <seb128> happy new year desktopers
[09:25] <seb128> hey Laney pitti flexiondotorg
[09:25] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[09:26] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:26] <Laney> happy new year to you
[09:26] <Laney> did you have some good holidays?
[09:26] <pitti> j'ai une petite rhume, mais sinon bien, merci !
[09:26] <seb128> holidays were great, quite relaxing
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> hi everyone :)
[09:27] <seb128> was just lacking the winter weather for the first half
[09:27] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson!
[09:27] <Laney> were you in france or nl or both?
[09:28] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Like Laney we've been at the coast. The Lulworth Cove and then Dawlish. Got back last night.
[09:28] <flexiondotorg> Much fun with the whole extended family :-)
[09:29] <seb128> in France from the 19th until new year
[09:29] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Morning :-)
[09:29]  * seb128 wonders if yesterday was a "free" Canonical holiday day
[09:30] <seb128> it was pretty empty and hr had it flagged as an holidays for everyone
[09:30] <Laney> fantastique!
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> It was in the UK. Public Holiday.
[09:30] <Laney> substitute day for new years day
[09:30] <didrocks> happy new year guys! Ah, this channel is active :)
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, right, u.k does that but e.g France doesn't
[09:31] <Laney> yep
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> Happy New Year didrocks!
[09:31] <Laney> I thought about you yesterday :P
[09:31] <seb128> :-)
[09:31] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:31] <Laney> some good holidays for you too?
[09:31] <didrocks> oh, a pitti is here as well!
[09:31] <didrocks> glückliches neues Jahr
[09:31] <didrocks> :)
[09:32] <didrocks> yeah, holidays were good, the last week a little bit less as both Julie and I got a cold
[09:32] <pitti> didrocks: gesundes Neues auch fuer Dich!
[09:32] <didrocks> (fortunately, I was the only one to get bad fiever)
[09:32]  * Laney was away with a sick person for the last few days too
[09:32] <Laney> wondering whether I will survive
[09:33]  * Laney hugs didrocks (not too close)
[09:33] <pitti> seems I caught a cold at last as well, too many people carrying it already :/
[09:33]  * didrocks hugs Laney with some cautious then :)
[09:33] <didrocks> yeah
[09:33] <didrocks> at least "DONE" and hoping to be protected for a while (still coughing though)
[09:34] <Laney> stay strong!
[09:35] <Laney> ah, new year, new mailbox full of spam from linkedin
[09:35] <didrocks> have to, crazy deadlines for now! ;)
[09:36] <Laney> holidays coming up :)
[09:37] <didrocks> exactly ;-)
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> Who feels like backporting gcc 4.9 to precise and trusty?
[10:37] <seb128> doko? ;-)
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> heh
[12:10] <xnox> chrisccoulson, because firefox?
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> xnox, yep
[12:11] <xnox> chrisccoulson, well, precise is EOL in 3 months.
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> Yeah, I can probably forget about precise
[12:13] <xnox> chrisccoulson, are you gonna ask for rustcc as well?
[12:13] <chrisccoulson> yeah, rust is going to be mandatory early this year. And it's going to require regular updates too
[12:14] <xnox> chrisccoulson, .... i bet there is toolchain-r ppa with 4.9 for trusty. but i don't think anybody will like using out of the archive toolchain to build firefox =/
[13:05] <Laney> strategic error
[13:06]  * Laney has a blood donation appointment booked for tonight
[13:06] <Laney> no climbing /o\
[13:06] <ogra_> meeitng the vampires ?
[13:07] <Laney> weight loss
[14:39] <alexarnaud> happy new year didrocks seb128 pitti  and all :) !
[14:39] <seb128> hey alexarnaud, happy new year!
[14:54] <didrocks> hey alexarnaud, happy new year to you too! :)
[15:11] <Laney> man
[15:11] <Laney> i got a random container of soup out of the freezer for lunch
[15:11] <Laney> turned out to be HUGE
[15:11]  * Laney dies
[15:19] <seb128> you know that you don't have to eat it all, you can keep some for tonight!
[15:20] <Laney> :P
[15:21] <Laney> I put it all into the bowl
[15:21] <Laney> then it was there...
[15:21] <seb128> lol
[15:21] <ogra_> bring some to the blood donation people
[15:21] <Laney> they'll have to get it out of me
[15:21] <Laney> probably have all the right equipment there though
[15:22] <ogra_> heh
[15:24] <Laney> alarm testing guys are here and making lots of noise happen
[15:24]  * Laney gets tinnitus
[15:31] <seb128> k, let's have an easy meeting round, everybody but willcooke and robert_ancell are supposed to be back but the channel has been quiet today so might be good to have that one :-)
[15:31] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan  3 15:31:33 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron, hikiko, laney, qengho, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> Happy new year, all!
[15:32] <hikiko> oh no
[15:32] <hikiko> it's tuesday!
[15:32] <seb128> lol, so we have some desktopers back who were hidding
[15:32] <hikiko> I thought it's monday
[15:32] <FJKong> happy new year and first meeting
[15:32] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, hikiko
[15:32] <hikiko> happy new year!!!
[15:32] <seb128> hey FJKong!
[15:32] <desrt> omgmeeting
[15:32] <seb128> happy new year all :-)
[15:32] <seb128> hey desrt
[15:32] <desrt> hello everyone :D
[15:32] <hikiko> I have no bullets, I was on holidays!!!
[15:32] <desrt> ditto
[15:33] <seb128> hikiko, just woke up? :p
[15:33] <hikiko> like everyone else I guess
[15:33] <hikiko> lol seb128
[15:33] <seb128> hikiko, desrt, read email?
[15:33] <attente> can you believe i haven't seen you guys since last year?
[15:33] <hikiko> hahaha
[15:33]  * Sweet5hark has no bullet, but read seb128s mail ;)
[15:33] <desrt> attente: i saw you this year already :p
[15:33] <attente> ah right :P
[15:33] <seb128> hikiko, I said so in the reminder, probably no status update to share (except for people who were working after the last december meeting and took some notes they want to share)
[15:33] <seb128> lol
[15:33] <hikiko> :)
[15:34] <hikiko> sorry then, I didn't see it :(
[15:34] <seb128> ok, let's have a round, if you have no status update just say some greeting and that you don't have anything else
[15:34] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <seb128> andyrock, hey!
[15:34] <seb128> he was around yesterday, not today he seems :p
[15:35] <seb128> next
[15:35] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:35] <seb128> attente, hey :-)
[15:35] <attente> hey seb128!
[15:35] <seb128> attente, don't pretend you are not there, I saw you :p
[15:35] <attente> lol
[15:35] <hikiko> lol
[15:35] <attente> it was a super short week, i think i just followed up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bubblewrap/+bug/1649330
[15:35] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1649330 in bubblewrap (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] bubblewrap unavailable on xenial" [Undecided,New]
[15:36] <attente> happy new year everyone :)
[15:36] <seb128> oh right, that one, I note to have a look this week to see if I can help with it
[15:36] <seb128> thanks attente, happy new year to you too! ;-)
[15:36] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:36] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:36] <desrt> hi!
[15:36] <desrt> uh... started working an hour ago after a very long time off :)
[15:37] <desrt> larsu is sleeping in the next room
[15:37] <seb128> k, good luck getting back in work mode!
[15:37] <seb128> nice
[15:37] <desrt> had a good christmas, new years, lots of fun, etc.
[15:37] <seb128> time to make some tea? ;-)
[15:37] <desrt> hope everyone else did too
[15:37] <desrt> we (+mascha) did coffee so far... tea will be soon, i think :)
[15:37] <seb128> I did, and seems like most of us did as well
[15:37] <seb128> thanks desrt!
[15:37] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <seb128> dgadomski, hey, unsure if you are around :-)
[15:38] <dgadomski> happy new year everyone! nothing to share yet this year, just got back today :)
[15:38] <seb128> welcome back and happy news year!
[15:38] <seb128> new
[15:38] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:38] <seb128> FJKong, hey
[15:39] <FJKong> not too much to share, just have a meeting with NUDT guys last month
[15:39] <FJKong> have some bugs to update
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:39] <seb128> k, thanks FJKong
[15:39] <seb128> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:39] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Happy New Year everyone!
[15:39] <seb128> thanks, to you too :-)
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Created snaps for Lightworks and Spotify.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Met with Lightworks product manager.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> · Video conferences with Spotify and Mail-In-A-Box.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> · Assisted with bug where snapcraft parts using debs don't recreate symlinks (LP: #1634813)
[15:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1634813 in Snapcraft "Symbolic links inside .deb pulled as directories" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1634813
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> · Made some snaps for MATE applications using the GTK3 platform snap.
[15:40] <seb128> oh, nice, how did that go?
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> · Fixes for HexChat snap (upstreamed)
[15:40] <seb128> you can probably tell us after the meeting
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> · Assisted JetBrains product manager who has now started snapping IntelliJ IDEA
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> · Assisted electron-builder developer with adding the final pieces for snap support. electron-builder can now produce snaps.
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:40] <seb128> great!
[15:41] <seb128> I saw they had commited support for flatpak but I didn't see there was work ongoing for snap as well
[15:41] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg!
[15:41] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <seb128> happyaron, hey
[15:41] <happyaron> hey
[15:41] <happyaron> 1. opencc SRU to yakkety
[15:41] <happyaron> 2. update network-manager for x, y, z series
[15:41] <happyaron> 3. becomes Debian co-maintainer of network-manager
[15:41] <happyaron> 4. went over ~300 bugs of network-manager and related packages (applet, plugins, wpa, etc)
[15:41] <happyaron> 5. fcitx's low reproduce rate infinite loop fix and SRU (LP: #1652591)
[15:41] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1652591 in fcitx (Ubuntu Yakkety) "[SRU] fcitx 100% CPU usage on rare case" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1652591
[15:41] <happyaron> EOF
[15:42] <hikiko> test
[15:42] <seb128> happyaron, oh, well done on becoming the debian n-m co-mainainer ;-)
[15:42] <seb128> hikiko, we can read you :-)
[15:42] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[15:42] <hikiko> sorry :)
[15:42] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:42] <seb128> hikiko, and it's your turn!
[15:42] <hikiko> hey! happy new year everyone! (greeting) well, I was on holidays.. :)
[15:43] <seb128> :-)
[15:43] <seb128> hope you had good holidays!
[15:43] <hikiko> almost, apart from the fact that a plaster from a building fall on my car
[15:43] <hikiko> and the building was our building
[15:43] <seb128> urg
[15:43] <hikiko> everything else was great :)
[15:43] <seb128> nobody got hurt?
[15:43] <hikiko> no fortunately I was inside
[15:44] <seb128> k, good then :-)
[15:44] <seb128> thanks hikiko!
[15:44] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, hey, busy with the alarm guy or back to keyboard? ;-)
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> BEEEPBEEEEP
[15:44] <seb128> he didn't type on the channel for a while so I assume he's busy
[15:44] <seb128> #topic qengho
[15:44] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:45] <Laney> hi
[15:45] <qengho> Happy new year! I tried not to work, but I needed to educate my 8-year-old son in Quake, so I installed "openarena" package, and then spent a long while debugging what looks like a new (in yakkety!) word-size pointer SEGV. LP: #1653007
[15:45] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1653007 in ioquake3 (Ubuntu) "yakkety ioquake3 SEGV in variable handling code" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1653007
[15:45] <seb128> oh
[15:45] <qengho> He escaped humiliation this time.
[15:45] <Laney> thought we weren't doing a round!
[15:45] <qengho> EOF
[15:45] <seb128> qengho, happy new year!
[15:45] <Laney> sorry qengho
[15:45] <qengho> 'S okay!
[15:45] <qengho> Missed you guys.
[15:45] <seb128> thanks qengho
[15:45] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:45] <qengho> Happy new year.
[15:46] <Laney> didn't prepare anything, sorry, thought we were skipping
[15:46] <Laney> so I forgot what I did
[15:46] <seb128> Laney, see reminder email ;-) (just doing an easy round in case people had note from decembre and so we get people to get out of the corner and say hey ;-)
[15:46] <Laney> except today I fixed autopkgtest stuff
[15:46] <Laney> armhf got broken
[15:46] <seb128> yeah, I didn't expect updates
[15:46] <Laney> and some requests got lost
[15:46] <Laney> working now
[15:46] <Laney> looking at bugs/merges/etc currently
[15:46] <seb128> thanks Laney!
[15:46] <Laney> weirdly didn't have that much  bug mail
[15:46] <Laney> like 20 unread today
[15:46] <seb128> yeah, same here
[15:47] <seb128> a stack of file-roller bugwatch that updated
[15:47] <seb128> and a few others
[15:47] <seb128> but not a lot
[15:47] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, your turn if you are done fixing Laney's alarm ;-)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> happy new year everyone!
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> not much to share at this point: mail backlog, still coping with signal overload from #33c3 (likely last one that was in Hamburg with some 12.000 people)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> next: finish the 5.3 beta snap, xenial SRU
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, sorry, I somewhat though you said you were done and you didn't, hope I didn't cut you in the middle of typing :-/
[15:48] <seb128> Sweet5hark, happy new year :-)
[15:48] <Laney> nah
[15:48] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:48] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:48] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - A happy and driverless 2017 to everyone!
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.13.1 and 1.13.2 with many bug fixes and stability improvements, especially for bugs caused by the features added in 1.13.0 and bug found by the testing of driverless printing.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Fixed support for URIs with IPv6 IP addreeses.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Called for testing IPP Everywhere printing in Zesty on the ubuntu-devel mailing list and got some feedback leading to bug fixes.
[15:48] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Called for help on the ubuntu-devel list about network/distro integration of ippusbxd Bonjour-broadcasting the USB printers made a vailable as virtual network printers. Received a lot of help from pitti, stgraber, in the direction of using a dummy network interface with IPv6 ULA IP address. Got it mostly working, at least when cups-browsed auto-generates the print queue.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - First look into how IPP scanning works, to also get driverless scaning to work, letting a GSoC student make a SANE driver for IPP scanning.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Working with Aveek Basu from lexmark India to find students. He is looking around at schools in India and sent me a first bunch of CVs.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, happy new year to you as well!
[15:49] <desrt> lol
[15:49] <seb128> I saw from the mailing list that you have been busy during holidays
[15:49] <desrt> 2017: the year of driverless
[15:50] <desrt> if only i could find that ppd file... where did i download it from again?  >:|
[15:50] <seb128> :-)
[15:50] <tkamppeter> Yes, as I got a lot of answers on my call for help concerning the network bits for broadcasting a printer only locally.
[15:50] <tkamppeter> Especially from stgraber but also from pitti.
[15:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, good work, nice to see you got replies on your issues as well
[15:50] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter!
[15:50] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, happy new year!
[15:51] <seb128> italians are hidding, or late as usual it seems ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> or and I forgot my round
[15:51] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:52] <desrt> typical french, generalising about italians
[15:52] <seb128> not a lot here, mostly enjoyed the holidays and did catching up on emails, bug reports and snappy work since yesterday
[15:52] <seb128> desrt, true, sorry about that :p
[15:52] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:52] <desrt> :p
[15:52] <seb128> anything else?
[15:53] <desrt> fosdem
[15:53] <desrt> we should get a wrap on that and book tickets asap
[15:53] <desrt> and i don't think it was ever properly announced/asked to the whole team
[15:53] <seb128> right, reading the email it was clear to me that those who have non trivial travel cost should book
[15:54] <seb128> but otherwise we need willcooke for the details
[15:54] <desrt> do we even have an event code yet?
[15:54] <seb128> hotel can wait next week I think
[15:54] <desrt> flights are going to start getting really awful really quickly
[15:54] <seb128> oh, good point
[15:54] <Laney> Just take one of the 3 places and book it
[15:54] <seb128> right
[15:54] <seb128> but the event code is a good point
[15:55] <Laney> nah
[15:55] <seb128> well if she wants to book through the travel agent
[15:55] <desrt> i can't book with the travel agent without an approval
[15:55] <Laney> it's not needed
[15:55] <seb128> otherwise you can book&expense
[15:55] <desrt> and book&expense is ... deprecated
[15:55] <Laney> you don't need an evt, just a req
[15:55] <desrt> huh.  i'll fill that out then
[15:55]  * desrt didn't know it was possible
[15:55] <Sweet5hark> (read some story recently: booking is cheapest ~3 weeks in advance on a sunday apparently)
[15:55] <seb128> well you need an approval no?
[15:55] <Laney> yes but you don't need an evt for that
[15:55] <seb128> k
[15:55] <desrt> thanks
[15:56] <seb128> so yeah, desrt please book the flight tickets at least
[15:56]  * desrt will look into that today
[15:56] <Laney> i'll find out which hotel to use
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, did you end up doing something about the hotel?
[15:56] <Laney> asking atm
[15:56] <seb128> I was going to wait for willcooke to be back for that
[15:56] <seb128> I got my room booked the day before fosdem last year
[15:56] <seb128> so I don't think we need it done this week
[15:57] <Laney> don't think it is necessary
[15:57] <seb128> though it would be better getting that sorted out
[15:57] <Laney> it's easy to get the agent to book it whenever
[15:57] <seb128> right
[15:57] <seb128> k, let's wrap the meeting, we can keep chatting then
[15:57] <seb128> thanks everyone
[15:57] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan  3 15:57:34 2017 UTC.
[15:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-01-03-15.31.moin.txt
[16:01] <Laney> ok, they don't know which hotel yet
[16:02] <seb128> k
[16:02] <seb128> somebody keeps you update when they do?
[16:02] <seb128> updated
[16:02] <Laney> ye
[16:02] <seb128> good
[16:03]  * desrt forgets (again) where the travel request form is
[16:04] <seb128> desrt, query
[16:04] <desrt> thx
[16:05] <seb128> yw
[16:05] <Laney> I should think you can ping clan to get that approved so you don't have to wait a week
[16:06] <seb128> or ping $manager on telegram
[16:07] <seb128> the price he has to pay for not handling it before holidays!
[16:07] <Laney> he was trying to be fair
[16:08] <seb128> well, he replied saying to sort it out and book flights after most of us were already on holidays
[16:08] <seb128> but yeah maybe not his fault
[16:08] <Laney> had to go up the chain
[16:09] <seb128> he might have been waiting for an ack as well
[16:09] <seb128> right
[16:09] <seb128> not blaming anyone
[16:09] <Laney> :)
[16:09]  * Laney is happy to be able to go
[16:09] <seb128> :-)
[16:16] <ochosi> evening everyone!
[16:16] <ochosi> i just read "fosdem" in the backlog so i thought i'd say hi and let you know that i'll be there
[16:17] <seb128> hey ochosi, happy new year!
[16:17] <ochosi> oh and ofc happy new year to everyone ;)
[16:17] <seb128> ochosi, great, some of us are going to be there as well
[16:17] <seb128> ochosi, I hope with manage to cross each others, fosdem tends to be busy with people :-)
[16:18] <ochosi> yeah, absolutely
[16:18] <andyrock> Hey sorry I thought it was at 5:30
[16:18] <Laney> hey ochosi
[16:18] <andyrock> And I went to the supermarket
[16:18] <Laney> looking forward to seeing you there ;-)
[16:19] <andyrock> seb128: ^^^
[16:19] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, i still remember where you were sitting last year at the delirium cafe, so in case you're going to sit there again i know how to find you ;)
[16:19] <Laney> oh the absinthe table
[16:20] <Laney> that is the place to be
[16:20] <ochosi> indeed! :)
[16:22] <seb128> hey andyrock, no worry :-)
[16:22] <seb128> andyrock, do you know if Trevinho is supposed to be back?
[16:22] <bregma> can you guys give me a number of Canonical people for FOSDEM so I can request an EVT since Will's still languishing on vacation?
[16:22] <Laney> this seems a bit internal...
[16:23] <seb128> indeed
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, going to miss didrocks there this year :-(
[16:24] <Laney> :(
[16:24] <Laney> don't remind me
[16:25] <seb128> sorry
[16:25] <seb128> but plenty of other nice people to drink with
[16:25]  * Laney will hire an impersonator to run around the desktop room
[16:25] <seb128> until Dider joins us again in another year
[16:25] <seb128> hehe
[16:27] <andyrock> seb128: i was online few hours ago
[16:28] <seb128> andyrock, who is speaking? :-)
[16:37] <andyrock> seb128: *he
[16:37] <andyrock> ahaha
[16:38] <Laney> how is telegram sending me notifications on my laptop when it isn't open in the browser?
[16:38] <Laney> can the web do this? :-o
[16:39] <seb128> I don't see how it could
[16:39] <seb128> the desktop client might if it has a service?
[16:39] <Laney> might be able to install some background thing
[16:39] <Laney> don't have any client installed
[16:40] <seb128> didrocks probably knows :-)
[16:40] <seb128> but sounds weird to me
[16:40] <seb128> what webbrowser are you using?
[16:40] <Laney> firefox
[16:41] <Laney> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API
[16:41] <Laney> that thing?
[16:46] <seb128> could be I guess
[17:35] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 I'll be about an hour late starting tomorrow.
[17:37] <seb128> flexiondotorg, ok, no problem
[17:37]  * Laney nods flexiondotorg
[17:38] <seb128> flexiondotorg, you speaking is reminding you that I wanted to talk to you about your snaps using the framework after the meeting
[17:38] <seb128> flexiondotorg, but that can wait another day no worry
[17:38] <flexiondotorg> seb128, OK then :-)
[17:38] <flexiondotorg> So far, no big issues encountered.
[17:38] <flexiondotorg> MATE has some additional deps.
[17:39] <flexiondotorg> ANd I think MATE Team will make the MATE platform snap at some point.
[17:41] <seb128> k
[17:41] <seb128> as said before holidays it's a bit of a non obvious choice
[17:41] <seb128> we could either bundle small useful libs
[17:41] <seb128> or declare that they are not useful to that many snaps and easy to build/bundle by those who need it
[17:55]  * Laney deflates
[17:56]  * Laney feels not that useful today
[17:56] <Laney> I should do some uploads tomorrow
[17:56] <Laney> they make me feel better
[17:59]  * seb128 cheers Laney up, you manage to deal with that emails backlog, which is good for a first day back :-)
[17:59] <seb128> maanged
[17:59] <seb128> managed
[17:59] <seb128> (grrr)
[17:59] <seb128> on that note I'm calling it a day
[17:59] <Laney> thanks seb128!
[17:59] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[17:59] <Laney> happy evening to you
[17:59] <seb128> thanks, to you too!
[17:59]  * Laney is going to fill a bag with fluid
[18:00]  * Laney wonders whether to cycle
[18:00] <Laney> laters
[18:01] <seb128> bye!
[18:01] <seb128> don't overdo it, also depends of if it's raining
[18:01] <flexiondotorg> Night all.
[18:01] <seb128> night


[00:11] <cyberanger-tor> wrst: I'm glad it's actually gotten easier to use tor with a number of programs now
[00:12] <cyberanger-tor> only apt right now was a trick, and I presume a bug
[00:13] <cyberanger-tor> looks similar to something debian was tweaking, hopefully with a patch on the way
[00:15] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[00:16] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor you here
[00:16] <cyberanger-tor> he was just recently
[00:17] <cyberanger-tor> and yes, I am here, I think ;-)
[00:17] <linuxman410> did the storms do any damage your way
[00:18] <cyberanger-tor> yes, a great deal
[00:18] <cyberanger-tor> but I personally am unaffected
[00:18] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor now anything about the 845ge video
[00:19] <linuxman410> intel
[00:19] <cyberanger-tor> aside from a citywide power outage of about 5 hours, and a more local power outage at work, lasting 10 hours (overlapping with citywide outage)
[00:20] <linuxman410> wow is it back on everywhere now
[00:20] <cyberanger-tor> not a chip I recognize off the top of my head
[00:20] <cyberanger-tor> but intel doesn't change much
[00:20] <cyberanger-tor> no, we still have some here
[00:21] <cyberanger-tor> http://www.clevelandutilities.com/
[00:22] <cyberanger-tor> it's shrunk, cable and phone (dsl and cable internet with that) is lagging behind a tiny bit, but more or less at this point, downed poles affecting all three
[00:22] <cyberanger-tor> linuxman410: what about that chip?
[00:22] <linuxman410> i got ahold of 2 shuttle computers one is p4 2.5 the other is p4 2.4 both have the intel 845ge built on board they will not run ubuntu except for ubuntu 10.04 so i put debian 6 on them and they work fine
[00:22] <linuxman410> video
[00:23] <linuxman410> so ubuntu must have drop something in 10.10 and 11.04 that they use to support
[00:24] <cyberanger-tor> or something along those lines, yeah
[00:24] <linuxman410> cyberanger i got 11.04 to install but it only had one resolution
[00:24] <linuxman410> one
[00:25] <cyberanger-tor> hrm
[00:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor why does debian 6 still support it when ubuntu does not
[00:25] <cyberanger-tor> did you have to enable extra repositories on debian 6
[00:25] <cyberanger-tor> contrib or non-free?
[00:25] <linuxman410> no
[00:26] <linuxman410> no it was there
[00:26] <cyberanger-tor> no, contrib and non-free were enabled?
[00:27] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor youtube works but i did not install flash or no non free
[00:28] <cyberanger-tor> well, that could be html5
[00:28] <cyberanger-tor> hrm, I'm unsure
[00:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor i love debian 6 it is awesome
[00:29] <cyberanger-tor> can't disagree on that ;-)
[00:30] <linuxman410> i upgraded my regular machine to 11.04 but have to use classic mode no 3d card
[00:30] <linuxman410> i tried 2d unity yuck
[00:31] <cyberanger-tor> unity > /dev/null
[00:32] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor what kind of laptop do you have
[00:33] <cyberanger-tor> I've got a few machines, Asus EEE PC 2G Surf, HP Pavilion 2742se, Toshiba Satellite of some kind
[00:34] <cyberanger-tor> I'd have to check the model # to narrow that down
[00:34] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor do u also have a desktop
[00:36] <cyberanger-tor> yeah, a few
[00:36] <cyberanger-tor> emachines t5224
[00:36] <cyberanger-tor> and a few others, parts jumbled together
[00:36] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor do all your machines run linux
[00:37] <cyberanger-tor> yep
[00:37] <cyberanger-tor> some better than others
[00:37] <cyberanger-tor> one is so old, it doesn't run, just walks ;-)
[00:41] <linuxman410> cyberanger i use mostly shuttles when it comes to desktops they are little do not take up  alot of room
[00:43] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor i notice debian waits for a while before they do a new release
[00:44] <cyberanger-tor> same as ubuntu for LTS releases
[00:44] <cyberanger-tor> yeah
[00:44] <cyberanger-tor> so I also use testing to offset that
[00:45] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor i think ubuntu should be a rolling release
[00:47] <linuxman410> are you running 11.04 on that asus 2g
[00:49] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor i use fedora on a couple of my p3 laptops works fine they have fedora 14 with 256 ram and wirelesss cards
[00:53] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor have u ever used a dell mini 9
[00:56] <cyberanger-tor> not really
[00:56] <cyberanger-tor> I've seen them in use
[00:58] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor would you think they would be a good netbook
[00:59] <cyberanger-tor> I suppose so, I have a hard time with netbooks personally
[00:59] <cyberanger-tor> but I think some models of the mini 9 are nice
[00:59] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor so you would go witha laptop then
[01:01] <cyberanger-tor> yeah, as a preference
[01:02] <cyberanger-tor> I would
[01:08] <pace_t_zulu> hey linuxman410
[01:09] <pace_t_zulu> sorry i missed you the other day
[01:09] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu how are you
[01:09] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: i'm well, you?
[01:09] <linuxman410> doing ok
[01:10] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i really like debian 6 alot the only linux os that would run on my shottles with intel 845ge video built in
[01:11] <linuxman410> shuttles
[01:11] <cyberanger-tor> pace_t_zulu: it seems an intresting trend, where our membership seems to favor another setup than ubuntu more and more
[01:12] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: has ubuntu dropped support for that chipset?
[01:13] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu it will work fine in 10.04 but in 10.10 and 11.04 only has one resolution and you cannot change
[01:13] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: would you be interested in filing a bug on launchpad?
[01:15] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i do not understand why ubuntu dropped support the processors are p4 2.5 and p4 2.3 i thought linux was designed to run on older hardware i guess ubuntu was not
[01:16] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: ubuntu has not dropped support for the p4 as far as i know
[01:17] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: on the basis that it boots and gets any desktop - the processor is supported just fine
[01:17] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i was talking about the intel 845ge onboard video
[01:17] <linuxman410> on the computers
[01:17] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: it might be that ubuntu isn't correctly detecting the video
[01:19] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i thing the problem is the intel 845ge can only share 8 megs of ram with the video i think that is problem
[01:21] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: are you trying to use unity?
[01:21] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: the problem happens in 10.10 as well...
[01:21] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i was using classic
[01:22] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu it happens in 10.10 too
[01:22] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: i don't know of any reason why 10.10 would need more video ram than 10.04
[01:22] <pace_t_zulu> or 11.04 in classic mode for that matter
[01:22] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu in 10.04 works great
[01:24] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410, we should find out what graphics chipset ubuntu sees and what driver it loads
[01:24] <pace_t_zulu> i have a GMA 950 in my mac mini ... not quite the same
[01:25] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu  it does not load one it defaults to something called fbdev
[01:26] <linuxman410> but only in 10.10 and 11.04
[01:26] <pace_t_zulu> framebuffer device
[01:26] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: that's the issue
[01:27] <linuxman410> in 10.04 it loads the drivewr
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: have you tried the following command?
[01:28] <pace_t_zulu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:30] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu when i was trying it i tryed that that is why i gave up and put debian 6 on it
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: there are a few pointers here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Natty#Graphics_Cards
[01:30] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: more specifically http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Natty#Intel_integrated_graphics_cards
[01:32] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i tried that and ubuntu would not boot after i done it
[01:34] <pace_t_zulu> sounds like an undocumented issue
[01:41] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu do you use a laptop
[01:45] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu you still here
[01:48]  * cyberanger-tor looks and thinks he sees him
[01:51] <linuxman410> cyberanger-tor i see himm but no response
[01:54] <cyberanger-tor> perhaps an issue came up, distracted him for a moment
[02:09] <cyberanger-tor> well, a really long moment perhaps?
[02:09] <cyberanger-tor> hey vychune
[02:18] <vychune> whats up
[02:21] <linuxman410> vychune whats up
[02:22] <vychune> WHATS UP DUDE
[02:22] <linuxman410> vychune did you ever get that computer running
[02:22] <vychune> no
[02:23] <vychune> i need to buy some memory
[02:23] <vychune> therefore i need a job lol
[02:23] <linuxman410> vychune memory for what
[02:24] <vychune> thats the problem the memory is messed because it was bouncing around
[02:24] <linuxman410> vychune how did you find out
[02:24] <linuxman410> does it power on now
[02:24] <vychune> same thing was the problem on a job i did
[02:25] <vychune> idk havent powered it up
[02:25] <cyberanger> wow, lag has increased a fair deal
[02:25] <linuxman410> what does it use 266 ddr
[02:26] <vychune> let me see
[02:28] <vychune> 400 mhz 333 mhz
[02:30] <vychune> is that what you meant>
[02:30] <vychune> ?
[02:31] <linuxman410> yes
[02:32] <linuxman410> vychune i do not have none of that memory if i did i would mail u some
[02:32] <vychune> aww dont worry about it youve done enough
[02:38] <linuxman410> i just like helping
[02:39] <linuxman410> vychune have u tried debian 6 yet
[02:39] <vychune> nope. never had a chance
[02:46] <vychune> have you
[02:48] <wrst> linuxman410: i'm here now what's up? :)
[02:49] <linuxman410> yeah i am using it on a shuttle i traded for i traded a 500gb external harddrive for a shuttle computer qwith p4 2.5 processor and 512 megs of ram and a 30 gig harddrive
[02:49] <linuxman410> wrst how are you
[02:49] <wrst> good linuxman410 how are things going?
[02:49] <linuxman410> doing ok and you
[02:49] <wrst> doing pretty well linuxman410
[02:50] <vychune> wrst: whats good
[02:50] <wrst> noting goood vychune but lots of ok ;)
[02:50] <linuxman410> wrst the shuttle with the intel 845ge video i put debian 6 on it and it works great
[02:50] <vychune> LOL
[02:51] <wrst> cool linuxman410 glad you got it going
[02:51] <wrst> i might try debian out on the machines at work
[02:51] <linuxman410> wrst ubuntu will only run on it if u use 10.04
[02:53] <linuxman410> wrst debian plays youtube videos without flash installed
[02:53] <wrst> yeah linuxman410 probably using html in the browser what browser are you using?
[02:54] <linuxman410> the one that it installed it was not firefox but something else
[02:54] <wrst> iceweasel i think is what they call it, firefox without the branding
[02:55] <wrst> probably firefox 4 then if html5 works that well or i think that is the case
[02:55] <linuxman410> yeah iceweasel
[02:56] <linuxman410> wrst i was real impressed with debian 6 those guys did real good with this os
[02:58] <linuxman410> wrst it flies on that p4 2.5
[02:58] <wrst> yes debian is good stuff, no fluff
[02:59]  * cyberanger agrees
[03:00] <linuxman410> wrst i say we erase all the windows 7 computers in the world and put debian on them
[03:00] <linuxman410> wrst we need a world without windows
[03:01] <cyberanger> in a world without walls and doors, who needs windows and gates
[03:02] <linuxman410> cyberanger i 100percent agree
[03:04] <linuxman410> cyberanger are there any other teams out there besides ubuntu teams like debian teams and fedora teams etc
[03:06] <cyberanger> fedora has a similar program, more like ubuntu members than locos
[03:06] <cyberanger> I think really it's just lugs
[03:07] <linuxman410> does debian have lugs
[03:07] <cyberanger> lugs, linux user groups
[03:07] <cyberanger> distro agnostic
[03:09] <linuxman410> in the famous words of weird al its all about the pentiums
[03:13] <vychune> going to bed guys
[03:13] <vychune> o\
[03:14] <linuxman410> nite nite
[03:16] <linuxman410> cyberanger how do i put a sign off message that shows up when i log out of irc like others have
[03:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what's your client?
[03:18] <linuxman410> xchat
[03:23] <cyberanger> linuxman410: hang on
[03:32] <cyberanger> try '/set quit_message <message>'
[04:33] <cyberanger> no that didn't do it
[04:33] <cyberanger> lol
[05:01] <cyberanger> wrst: you might find this cool http://blog.theroux.ca/security/ubuntu-2-step-authentication-with-google-authenticator/
[05:58] <chibihogoshino> is maverick much different that natty ?
[05:58] <chibihogoshino> than
[14:25] <Xpistos> Hey guys
[14:25] <Xpistos> wrst
[14:26] <wrst> hello Xpistos what's happening?
[14:26] <Xpistos> nada mooch
[15:37] <vychune> o/
[15:37] <vychune> little help?
[15:41] <wrst> maybe vychune :)
[15:41] <wrst> what's up?
[15:41] <vychune> im having a problem with my radio stream
[15:42] <vychune> can you help me out?
[15:54] <vychune> wrst?
[15:57] <wrst> uhh are you streaming it from you to the internet?
[15:58] <vychune> yes
[15:58] <vychune> http://vychuneowens.listen2myradio.com/
[16:05] <vychune> now where did he go
[16:07] <wrst> hmm that's probablya  cyberanger question vychune because i am clueless :)
[16:07] <vychune> ok
[16:45] <Xpistos> so vychune, what is the story with listen2myradio?
[16:45] <vychune> hey man
[16:45] <vychune> so i start streaming...
[16:46] <vychune> then i turn on my mic....noise out the ying yang
[16:50] <vychune> Xpistos
[16:51] <Xpistos> I meant what is the deal with the site, what do you use it for?
[16:58] <vychune> internet radio server
[16:59] <vychune> i was with them before i went to BlogTalkRadio
[18:43] <vychune> ITS A COP RUN!!!!!!!
[18:43] <vychune> oh hey cybeyanger lol
[18:46] <cyberanger> heh
[18:47] <vychune> can you help me out?
[18:51] <cyberanger> depends on the problem
[18:52] <cyberanger> doesn't hurt to try ;-)
[18:56] <vychune> im having a problem with my radio stream
[18:58] <vychune> when i turn on my mic to talk it give me noise
[19:07] <vychune> woohoo
[19:12] <cyberanger> vychune: hrm that seems odd
[19:12] <cyberanger> built in mic, external
[19:13] <vychune> external
[19:13] <cyberanger> what's your mixer set for, how close to the speakers?
[19:16] <vychune> no speakers, and mixer
[19:16] <vychune> ?
[19:18] <cyberanger> headphones then, and run alsamixer
[19:20] <cyberanger> since your not using a mixer board, that's the closest thing
[19:21] <vychune> running alsamixer what now
[19:22] <vychune> and did you wanna hear the stream?
[19:26] <cyberanger> are you using headphones?
[19:27] <cyberanger> not really able to listen from here
[19:27] <cyberanger> well, right at the moment
[19:29] <vychune> oh ok yes i have a headset with a mic
[19:33] <cyberanger> oh, and the mic is built it?
[19:44] <vychune> yes
[19:45] <cyberanger> there is a possibility it's the headset then, mic wire damaged
[19:46] <cyberanger> are the mic levels at their max?
[19:46] <vychune> yes
[19:49] <cyberanger> try tuning them down slowly, testing as you go
[19:49] <cyberanger> beyond that, best I wait till tonight
[20:21] <wrst> hey cyberanger
[20:23] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[20:23] <wrst> cyberanger: i see debian
[20:23] <cyberanger> really, cool
[20:23] <cyberanger> where do you see it
[20:23] <wrst> cyberanger (debian-tor@swissknife/adak/infocop411) has joined #ubuntu-us-tn
[20:24] <cyberanger> freenode's doing then
[20:24] <cyberanger> however it could just as easily be me, my tor client, I suppose
[20:24] <cyberanger> but this is natty, the other rig is debian
[21:52] <xTEMPLARx> yarr!
[21:53] <xTEMPLARx> no no
[21:53] <xTEMPLARx> too quiet
[21:55] <xTEMPLARx> 11.04 is odd
[21:55] <xTEMPLARx> not sure if I like it
[21:55] <xTEMPLARx> but too late to go back now
[21:55] <xTEMPLARx> :)
[22:03]  * Svpernova09 is avoiding 11.04
[22:03] <Svpernova09> >.>
[22:09] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my server crashed want me to set you back up to quassel goodness?
[22:22] <wrst> better said i crashed it
[22:41] <chibihogoshino> hey chris4585 you here ?
[23:22] <chibihogoshino> join #chroot
[23:22] <chibihogoshino> yeah


[15:47] <stealthadmin> Hello, I am trying to preseed an 18.04 ubuntu server installation. I have tried using a debian preseed file and passing the path of the file to the kernal on install. This preseed file has been validated by debian-installer and was previously used for a 14.04 instalation. We have also investigated using an answers.yaml file to seed the installation, but there is not much documentation on this method. Have there been breaking changes f
[15:50] <CarlFK> answers.yaml?
[15:51] <CarlFK> I would post the details of your problem  - like you don't even say you have a problem
[15:54] <stealthadmin> I am unable to seed the installation. When booting the live iso, none of the preseeded values have been used.
[15:56] <stealthadmin> From what I can tell, answers.yaml is another way to preseed subiquity. Although the only references I can find are here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390710 and here https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity/blob/master/examples/answers.yaml
[15:59] <CarlFK> unable to seed - how are you giving the file to the installer?
[15:59] <CarlFK> I host it on a http server on my lan, and add a kernel append: url=hostname
[16:00] <CarlFK> it sounds like the installer isn't aware of your file
[16:00] <stealthadmin>  By passing the file path to the kernal as a parameter : file=/cdrom/preseed/mypreseed.seed
[16:01] <CarlFK> try url=file://cdrom/...  or maybe  url=file:///cdrom...
[16:02] <CarlFK> I think I have seen file= but I am not sure now
[16:02] <stealthadmin> Ok let me give that a try. Is there somewhere in a log that would say it failed to find the file?
[16:03] <CarlFK> for me, the installer errors and halts.  but I also have debug=5 or something that might cause that
[16:03] <stealthadmin> I have been trying to follow this documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/s390x/apbs01.html#preseed-methods
[16:05] <CarlFK> if you want to try to trace what I use.. which works, but is pretty convoluted...
[16:05] <CarlFK> https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/blob/master/scripts/mk_usb_installer.sh#L29
[16:06] <CarlFK> the preseed files are way over here: https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/tree/master/roles/tftp-server/files
[16:07] <CarlFK> because they get used by both "mk usb install media" and "pxe boot the installer"
[16:07] <CarlFK> the usb stick is made with that shell script, the pxe server is built with ansible - using the same files for both is ... convoluted
[16:11] <stealthadmin> Is the debug level for the installer something I can also pass as a kernal parameter?
[16:13] <CarlFK> yes
[16:13] <CarlFK> loking ... it is in/around that script...
[16:15] <CarlFK> https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/blob/master/scripts/syslinux.cfg#L5
[16:15] <CarlFK> APPEND --- debconf/priority=high auto=true netcfg/dhcp_timeout=60
[16:15] <CarlFK> debconf/priority=high
[17:02] <stealthadmin> Ok I think it might be a problem for how I am creating the iso. I will look over your script and keep playing with it. Thank you for the help.
[17:04] <CarlFK> are you burning to CD or making a usb thumb drive?
[17:05] <CarlFK> I 'hate' making CDs - so hard to make changes
[17:05] <stealthadmin> Using a thumbdrive. Me too haha, CDs are the worst
[17:14] <CarlFK> you might want to try that script - it tries to support Ubuntu too
[17:15] <CarlFK> I waffle between ubuntu and debian - currently using debian because it is more tested, and I haveent taken the time to test ubuntu in  a while


[12:38] <abarbaccia> hey all - quick question - are the 2.6.12 breezy kernels stable?
[12:39] <Mithrandir> abarbaccia: no
[12:39] <Mithrandir> that is, they're not blessed as stable.
[12:39] <Mithrandir> they might be, or not.
[12:40] <tseng> they wont go "gold" until at least linus makes a final release
[12:40] <tseng> so no linux-restricted modules and stuff
[12:40] <abarbaccia> tseng, alright - but as of now, are they runnable?
[12:40] <tseng> it works for me is about all I can say.
[12:40] <abarbaccia> sounds great - and do you know if ubuntu has the msp5xx modules in them?
[12:41] <tseng> brandon@lappy:~/work/debian/blam-1.8.0$ find /lib/modules -iname *msp5*
[12:41] <tseng> at a quick glance, no.
[12:41] <abarbaccia> wait...hold on
[12:42] <abarbaccia> might've mispelled it
[12:42] <abarbaccia> spca5xx
[12:42] <abarbaccia> way off on that one
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> good morning all
[12:43] <tseng> hi.
[12:43] <Unfrgiven> tseng: how are you
[12:43] <tseng> good thanks
[12:43] <tseng> /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx
[12:43] <tseng> /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx/spca5xx.ko
[12:44] <tseng> better.
[12:44] <abarbaccia> AWESOME - great - i'm gonna try and upgrade in a little bit - thanks man
[12:44] <tseng> nps
[12:46] <SEBest> tseng why some drivers are in -source package and other are in kernel-modules?
[12:47] <tseng> you mean restricted-modules?
[12:47] <SEBest> and some are in both like ipw2100
[12:47] <tseng> ipw2100 is a free driver
[12:47] <tseng> but non free firmware
[12:47] <tseng> non-free things go in restricted
[12:48] <SEBest> yes but it's available from 2 ways right?
[12:48] <tseng> im not sure how to be any clearer
[12:48] <tseng> there are two parts, one is free, one is not
[12:48] <tseng> so they are distributed in seperate packages accordingly
[12:49] <tseng> we cant put non-free software in main with the rest of the kernel modules
[12:49] <SEBest> oki i got it
[12:50] <SEBest> i asked because there is a free driver that i need but it's not in the kernel, should i package it?
[12:51] <tseng> depending what it is it could be added
[12:52] <SEBest> it's a kernel module that give support for laptop hotkeys
[12:52] <SEBest> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:rFYXY839Vb0J:www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tauber/acerhk/+acerhk&hl=fr&client=firefox
[12:52] <tseng> can you file a bug on that?
[12:53] <SEBest> tseng on malone?
[12:53] <tseng> on bugzilla
[12:53] <SEBest> oki
[12:53] <tseng> main is still not on malone
[01:10] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ping?
[01:28] <Unfrgiven> im having a problem with a package that currently depends on a non-existent pacakge. \sh has fixed the package and uploaded the source. an "apt-get source ocaml-findlib" gives me \sh's updated source but an "apt-get install ocaml-findlib" tries to fetch the old package which doesnt work because of broken deps. now i have a package dependant on ocaml-findlib and i cant transition it because of this problem. how long does it take to build the binary pack
[01:28] <lamont> ctypes needs gcc-4.0 love
[01:28] <lamont> as does cyrus-sasl2-mit
[01:30] <lamont> doxymacs, eli, elvis-tiny, goo, libcorba-orbit-perl also need gcc-4.0 love
[01:31] <lamont> libgnome-gnorba-perl just needs xorg love
[01:31] <Unfrgiven> lamont: im happy to take up a few of those... do they need patches or just need to be rebuilt?
[01:32] <lamont> Unfrgiven: they are all ftbfs with gcc-4.0, although I expect that several of them are unchanged from hoary, and therefore in the archive for breezy
[01:32] <lamont> all will need a patch either in themselves, or in a build-dep.
[01:33] <lamont> (they should  be ftbfs in a clean breezy chroot today.  95% sure on that..)
[01:34] <lamont> gcc -o xshodo       -L/usr/X11R6/lib   xshodo.o -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm -lXp -lXext -lX11
[01:34] <lamont> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXp
[01:34] <lamont> xshodo could be hppa specific, but is more likely just xorg-unhappy in some way (missing build-dep???)
[01:57] <ajmitch> morning all
[01:57] <tseng> hi aj
[01:58] <ajmitch> it's always so entertaining, and illustrates well why debian took this long to get sarge to this point :)
[02:11] <whiprush> hey tseng
[02:11] <tseng> hi whiprush
[02:11] <tseng> wtf have you been :P
[02:11] <whiprush> got any better pics of you? I only have 2
[02:12] <whiprush> My coworker makes good hackerheads.
[02:12] <tseng> hm i couldnt find the other links
[02:12] <tseng> when i was looking
[02:12] <tseng> i thought you had posted them all
[02:12] <whiprush> I got these 2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477621/
[02:12] <whiprush> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477896/
[02:12] <whiprush> that last one might work.
[02:13] <schweeb> whiprush: make Jet's pizza arrive at my house now, plz. kthxbai
[02:13] <tseng> man
[02:13] <tseng> that place was so good
[02:13] <whiprush> a bob2 hackergotchi would be awesome.
[02:13] <tseng> "bob2 in 'up in smoke'"
[02:14] <tseng> i love his hair
[02:14] <whiprush> yes
[02:14] <tseng> yeah who has more udu photos
[02:16] <whiprush> hey tseng, how far are you from columbus ohio?
[02:16] <tseng> erm
[02:16] <tseng> hours
[02:16] <schweeb> whiprush: when is ohio linuxfest thingy?
[02:17] <tseng> im about an hour west of philly
[02:17] <whiprush> http://www.ohiolinux.org/
[02:17] <whiprush> we're speaking there. You should come.
[02:17] <schweeb> that's not so bad... like 4 hours dude
[02:17] <schweeb> oh
[02:17] <schweeb> not till october
[02:17] <schweeb> sweet
[02:19] <tseng> http://www.photonski.com/images/90614/large < me and jdub
[02:19] <schweeb> anyone konw when the presses Hoary CDs are supposed to show up?
[02:19] <tseng> schweeb: i have mine.
[02:19] <schweeb> yea, but you got it at UdU
[02:19] <tseng> no
[02:19] <tseng> i got 2 at udu
[02:19] <schweeb> didn't you
[02:20] <schweeb> o_O
[02:20] <tseng> i got 70 in the mail
[02:20] <tseng> its first come first serve
[02:20] <tseng> but they are going out
[02:20] <schweeb> yea, I definitely ordered some like as soon as they switched em to hoary
[02:22] <schweeb> shipit says they haven't shipped yet :-/
[02:23] <tseng> whiprush: ah http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[02:23] <whiprush> yeah
[02:23] <schweeb> I'm downloading right now, and that makes me sad
[02:23] <whiprush> that's the list of galleries.
[02:23] <schweeb> i want my pressed goodness
[02:23] <whiprush> I just make iso's with jigdo until mine come in.
[02:23] <tseng> schweeb: dude the art is lame
[02:27] <schweeb> tseng: don't care about art. care about not having to download CDs to give to friends :p
[02:27] <tseng> but they will be like, rofl that art is so lame
[02:28] <ajmitch> hi schweeb, whiprush
[02:29] <whiprush> hi aj
[02:29] <whiprush> tseng: you're giving CDs to the wrong friends.
[02:29] <whiprush> find the nice looking ones.
[02:29] <whiprush> "It's all about love and linux, dear."
[02:30] <schweeb> ajmitch: what up
[02:31] <Unfrgiven> sorry to repeat the question but I got noreplies earlier and now there are plenty of peopl around :) im having a problem with a package that currently depends on a non-existent pacakge. \sh has fixed the package and uploaded the source. an "apt-get source ocaml-findlib" gives me \sh's updated source but an "apt-get install ocaml-findlib" tries to fetch the old package which doesnt work because of broken deps. now i have a package dependant on ocaml-fin
[02:31] <whiprush> hey it's Unfrgiven! Long time!
[02:31] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: hey dude. yeah its been a while. i havent seen you on irc for ages
[02:32] <whiprush> I've been lurking.
[02:32] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: it takes a while for it to build and be propagated to archives
[02:32] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: ball park figure? days? weeks? months?
[02:33] <schweeb> day at the most
[02:33] <schweeb> if build is successful
[02:33] <schweeb> you know how to check the build-logs?
[02:33] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: nup
[02:33] <whiprush> so tseng try to make that ohio thing, they had over 400 people there last year, should be bigger this time. We'll get CDs and indoctrinate everyone.
[02:34] <whiprush> mwahahaha
[02:34] <tseng> whiprush: it would be a long trip
[02:34] <whiprush> dude, we
[02:34] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[02:34] <whiprush> re renting a van
[02:34] <whiprush> heh.
[02:34] <whiprush> road triping.
[02:34] <tseng> plus i dont want to use a bunch of vacation time
[02:34] <whiprush> k
[02:34] <tseng> if i can get into more ubuntu confs
[02:35] <whiprush> I'm saving up for the next guadec
[02:35] <tseng> thats a year away
[02:35] <tseng> and only 3 days
[02:35] <whiprush> heh
[02:35] <whiprush> flying to europe isn't cheap. :-/
[02:36] <tseng> oh saving $
[02:36] <Unfrgiven> have they decided a venue for the next ubuntu conf yet?
[02:36] <tseng> not officially
[02:36] <whiprush> don't think so
[02:37] <Unfrgiven> tseng: unofficially where are they considering?
[02:37] <tseng> ive heard Brazil a few times but that doesnt mean anything
[02:37] <whiprush> yeah me too
[02:37] <tseng> it could be anywhere in Africa or North/South America
[02:38] <schweeb> Brazil would be sweet
[02:38] <whiprush> brazil would be great
[02:38] <schweeb> I'd definitely go
[02:38] <schweeb> hottt chicks there
[02:38] <tseng> schweeb: hah you dont leave the hotel
[02:38] <tseng> keep that in mind
[02:38] <schweeb> tseng: I'll arrive a few days early ;)
[02:38] <tseng> yep
[02:38] <tseng> you have to
[02:38] <tseng> i was on too short notice to work that out
[02:39] <tseng> schweeb: ill stay with you too!
[02:39] <schweeb> alright!
[02:39] <schweeb> and if I don't get sponsored, and just show up, I don't have to stay the whole time :p
[02:39] <whiprush> I hope Typhoid Sladen comes again so we can all almost get killed again.
[02:39] <tseng> yay for sladen
[02:39] <Unfrgiven> haha
[02:39] <tseng> hm almost time for family guy
[02:40] <tseng> schweeb: also, ill make you go out to eat with me
[02:40] <tseng> schweeb: there is a large number of vegetarians/vegans, so we end up getting cattered alot of silly leafy green stuff
[02:41] <crimsun> vegetarians++
[02:48] <schweeb> tseng: vegetarians!
[02:48] <schweeb> vegans?
[02:48] <schweeb> they'll be happy to know I hunt and kill animals
[02:48] <schweeb> and then eat their flash
[02:48] <schweeb> *flesh
[02:49] <crimsun> mm flesh
[02:49] <schweeb> crimsun: you need to come to Ohio LinuxFest as well
[02:50] <crimsun> hmm, what's the date?
[02:50] <schweeb> Oct 1
[02:50] <schweeb> I believe
[02:50] <crimsun> that's feasible
[02:50] <schweeb> indeed
[02:50] <crimsun> I could make an excuse to go up to OSU or something
[02:50] <schweeb> I believe Mako may go
[02:51] <schweeb> it's at Ohio State
[02:51] <crimsun> well that settles that!
[02:51] <schweeb> ooh
[02:51] <schweeb> I just realized
[02:51] <schweeb> there's a chapter of my fraternity there
[02:51] <schweeb> party++
[02:52] <crimsun> nice!
[03:00] <schweeb> tseng: family guy
[03:28] <abarbaccia> hey all - i'm having trouble finding the ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel to install - i have all the breezy sources
[03:29] <zul> abarbaccia: this a #ubuntu question but its found in universe
[03:32] <abarbaccia> zul, the package linux-2.6.12 is not found.
[03:33] <abarbaccia> zul, sorry, nevermind
[04:01] <lamont> schweeb: note that most of my recent package blurbs aren't found under ~lamont/buildLogs - hppa logs don't get there yet. :-(
[04:01] <lamont> hrm.. which gdk-pixbuf-query didn't hang on hppa... :-(
[04:05] <schweeb> lamont: meh, hppa's unofficial :p
[04:06] <lamont> schweeb: yeah, if I cared I'd try doing the build on i386 and then fight with malone to file the bug for real...  most of those failures are i386 failures, but we won't find them until we fire off breezy-test this month
[04:06] <lamont> s/are/are also at least/
[04:50] <lamont> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libFreeWRLFunc.so not recognized
[04:50] <lamont> freewrl scary
[04:52] <lamont> it would be less scary if it actually built the .so file sometime during the build....
[06:33] <lamont> ac3dec_wrap.c:51: error: static declaration of 'program_name' follows non-static declaration
[06:33] <lamont> ../include/debug_print.h:7: error: previous declaration of 'program_name' was here
[06:33] <lamont> ogle needs gcc-4.0 love
[07:07] <Amaranth> that's the most common gcc 4 error
[07:07] <Amaranth> did we decide to go with what the .h says or what the .c says?
[08:05] <nalioth> howdy
[08:15] <\sh> morning
[08:15] <nalioth> howdy
[08:15] <nalioth> or should i say "good evening"
[08:28] <Mithrandir> 'morning
[08:29] <nalioth> evenin'
[08:29] <nalioth> y'all awake now?
[08:30] <jsgotangco> i can manage
[08:30] <nalioth> just had a question about joinin the ubuntu team. is this the right place or is there a better room?
[08:31] <jsgotangco> ask anyway, maybe we can anwer
[08:32] <nalioth> it says make a wiki documenting my work. that would be long hours wasting time in #ubuntu and a few PPC pkgs i rolled up via apt?
[08:32] <nalioth> or do i need to make an informative 'howto' wiki?
[08:34] <\sh> nalioth: document your work for ubuntu on your wiki page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/<FirstLastName>
[08:35] <jsgotangco> nalioth, just do whatever thing you've been doing for now and contribute whatever you like, document it on the wiki, let people (like in here) know what you've been doing and put your name on the list on the CC meeting agenda in the wiki for consideration
[08:35] <jsgotangco> the community will back you up if you talk the talk
[08:35] <\sh> nalioth: follow the new member process on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[08:35] <nalioth> fer instance witnesses to my overrunning mouth in #ubuntu
[08:36] <nalioth> like bob2 or amaranth (they see me each day)
[08:36] <jsgotangco> nalioth, you can post that
[08:36] <jsgotangco> nalioth, whatever helps Ubuntu
[08:36] <nalioth> well i just run my mouth in #ubuntu, and let bob2 and Amaranth and them handle the brain work
[08:37] <jsgotangco> well its really up to you if you think you're member material, just back it up with contribs, etc. and the community will vouch for you
[08:38] <nalioth> well i got a PPC i've had apt build some pkgs for (don't mind doin that)
[08:38] <nalioth> but i'll run all that into the wiki and might write a howto to further take some of the "how do i power up" questions out of the channels way
[08:39] <nalioth> alrighty thank ya
[08:39] <nalioth> time for bed
[08:39] <DanielN> morning
[09:08] <pippovic> Hi
[09:13] <\sh> DanielN: are u a member now?
[09:42] <DanielN> \sh: why do u think?
[09:43] <DanielN> away
[09:43] <DanielN> shortly
[09:51] <\sh> DanielN: if u r a member now :) please remove yourself from the Council Agenda
[10:23] <DanielN> \sh: but i don't now anything about a membership of me :)
[10:45] <DanielN> \sh: what time is UTC 22:00 here in germany (or switzerland) ?
[10:45] <jsgotangco> use this
[10:45] <jsgotangco> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
[11:05] <DanielN> jsgotangco: thanks.. but that means, that the communitycouncil meeting tonight is @ 24:00 in my local time ;(
[11:08] <jsgotangco> 24:00 is not so bad, i used to attend CC meeting at 5AM in my time
[11:08] <jsgotangco> (but im not going to do it again)
[11:15] <dooglus> do you guys deal with the 'multiverse' packages too?  do you have a bug reporting system for them?  or is there another group that deals with multiverse?
[11:25] <\sh> DanielN: 00:00
[11:25] <\sh> DanielN: u should attend :)
[11:57] <DanielN> \sh: ok.. i'll be there
[12:11] <tseng> hi.
[12:14] <tseng> supposed to be fedora core 4 today
[12:15] <tseng> hm next week it says
[12:18] <Treenaks> tseng: if both debian and fc release, the internet would collapse ;)
[12:19] <tseng> Treenaks: i dunno
[12:19] <tseng> Treenaks: im connected to 2 ds3s
[12:19] <tseng> as for the rest of the world..
[01:02] <DanielN> mhm
[01:02] <DanielN> seems that sarge is going stable at this moment
[01:03] <DanielN> troll msg off :)
[02:15] <\sh> ogra: can we adjust the timing of the motu meeting?
[02:16] <tseng> \sh: yes, we'll make it 3am your time.
[02:16] <tseng> nps
[02:16] <\sh> the date I mean...not the time :)
[02:16] <tseng> well dholbach already posted it to d-d
[02:16] <tseng> if you care.
[02:17] <Treenaks> ogra: scary
[02:17] <ogra> \sh, to when would you like to move it ?
[02:17] <ajmitch> when is the meeting scheduled for?
[02:17] <ogra> 20th
[02:17] <ajmitch> time?
[02:17] <\sh> tseng: when he posted the date?
[02:17] <ogra> 2200 UTC
[02:18] <ajmitch> hmm..
[02:18] <tseng> \sh: he posted a link to the wiki, where the date was
[02:18] <ajmitch> 10am on 21st here, should be ok for me
[02:18] <tseng> \sh: people dont assume that once they read that page they have to keep checking back for random changes.
[02:18] <ogra> as long as we only postpone it, it would be fine with me.... \sh
[02:18] <\sh> ogra: earlier...because it's an important matter ...
[02:18] <ogra> i cant earlier... at lest i'm very short of tme until the end of next week
[02:19] <\sh> ok..then lets leave it until the 21
[02:19] <tseng> 20th
[02:19] <tseng> ajmitch is a day ahead
[02:20] <\sh> for me it's 21st ;) 00:00 GMT+2
[02:24] <ajmitch> time for me to sleep anyway, bbl
[02:32] <doko> ajmitch: ping
[02:44] <ajmitch> doko: pong
[02:48] <jbailey> ajmitch: And by "sleep" you mean...
[02:49] <ajmitch> jbailey: a friend from canberra just started talking to me, I was intending to go :)
[02:50] <ajmitch> he's installing ubuntu for a zope devel server, so it's perfectly relevant :)
[03:02] <lamont> xpaint needs xorg include love
[03:13] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:46] <mgalvin> can i use the reportbug in ubuntu to file an itp for debian?
[03:48] <doko> \sh: ping
[03:51] <\sh> doko: ping
[03:51] <\sh> aeh pong
[04:02] <ofr> hi
[04:04] <ogra> hi ofr
[04:07] <mgalvin> is it possible to have a package sync from debian?
[04:08] <ogra> mgalvin, sure, we do it all day
[04:08] <mgalvin> i finished updating libcwd and i already got it into Debian
[04:08] <ogra> in fact the prefered process is to get your changes rather into debian and sync them then to make them in ubuntu
[04:09] <ogra> mgalvin, err, the debian version contains the c++ changes ?
[04:09] <mgalvin> right, libcwd is in debian and i would like to see it brought into breezy if possible
[04:10] <ogra> which bnary name ?
[04:10] <mgalvin> only a fix to make it work with gcc4
[04:10] <ogra> binary even
[04:10] <ogra> hrm...
[04:10] <mgalvin> libcwd0
[04:10] <mgalvin> it was an upstream fix
[04:10] <ogra> wrong name
[04:11] <mgalvin> thats what it's called in debian, does debian need the "c2" appended also?
[04:11] <\sh> "MOTUS uffjepass" or in english, everybody please listen who has some cxx work on the todo (and was marking them on cxxlibrarylist) :))
[04:11] <Treenaks> libcwd.. what's wrong with getcwd()
[04:12] <mgalvin> this is a c++ debugging lib
[04:12] <mgalvin> http://libcwd.sourceforge.net/
[04:12] <Treenaks> ah
[04:13] <\sh> Everybody who has no time to transition the cxx libs  on their list (marked with their irc nick), please remove yourself from the list, so the others can take over and fill in the gaps
[04:14] <ogra> Treenaks, it needs to get transitioned (c++) for breezy, so its not a sync
[04:16] <Mithrandir> ogra: if it's a new package, not appending c2 is fine.
[04:16] <ogra> Mithrandir, apt-cache show libcwd0c2
[04:17] <Mithrandir> ogra: sir, sigackpong, sir.
[04:17] <ogra> lol
[04:24] <mgalvin> ok, so should i make the transition changes in order for this to get into breezy?
[04:25] <DanielN> \sh: i'll have to put 2 of my libs to someone other cause there are some compiling errors with gcc4
[04:25] <ogra> mgalvin, yep
[04:26] <ogra> mgalvin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[04:26] <ogra> there are patches available....
[04:26] <ogra> mgalvin, is your package newer then  0.99.39-1 ?
[04:26] <mgalvin> yes, its version 0.99.40-2
[04:27] <ogra> hmm, any idea why that thing is in multiverse ?
[04:28] <\sh> DanielN: doesn't matter....remove yourself from the list
[04:28] <\sh> DanielN: we will take care about it
[04:29] <mgalvin> ogra, nope
[04:30] <ofr> ogra: i was writing to you concerning kino. i probably needs to be rebuilt with gcc 4, too
[04:31] <ogra>  ofr ah, sorry, i didnt answer yet.... if it needs transition we'll have to wait until all the libs are done
[04:31] <ogra> hmm, but it doesnt look like it has any C++ dependencys....
[04:32] <DanielN> \sh: thx .. i'll fix other libs, without compile errors
[04:33] <ofr> ogra: you mean external deps? it is written in c++ though
[04:34] <ogra> ofr, sure ? there is no dependency on any c++ stuff in the package
[04:34] <ofr> yeah sure :)
[04:34] <ogra>  apt-cache showsrc kino
[04:35] <ogra> so i suspect its just C
[04:35] <ofr> it is using iostream, iomanip among others
[04:37] <ogra> ah, yeps, i see, it depends on libvorbisenc2
[04:38] <DanielN> i kept the bug open in bugzilla, just removed my name
[04:38] <DanielN> so they're free for overtaking :)
[04:44] <\sh> ok...time to go home
[04:44] <\sh> cu later
[04:44] <DanielN> cu \sh
[04:44] <mgalvin> later \sh
[04:56] <ofr> ogra: so should i start building packages with gcc 4 on my breezy system?
[04:57] <ofr> then i will probably detect any problems, too
[05:02] <ogra> ofr, or help us with the C++ transition.... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[05:03] <ofr> yeah sure
[05:03] <ofr> i can do that too
[05:03] <ogra> ofr, they mostly just need renaming and its a easy task to get familiar with packaging and the pbuilder :)
[05:03] <ofr> my question was just aimed at the development platform
[05:04] <ofr> i'll try to get started tonight at home
[05:04] <ogra> there is nothing else we develop for :) a breezy pbuilder to build breezy packages :)
[05:05] <ogra> ofr, btw, if you havent seen it yet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto
[05:05] <ogra> very helpful :)
[05:05] <ofr> thanks
[05:05] <ofr> will print it out, take it home
[05:05] <ogra> :)
[05:06] <ofr> yeah true
[05:06] <ofr> bad habit
[05:07] <ogra> heh... but understandable :)
[06:05] <\sh> re
[06:24] <\sh> guys...what was the name, from this "plain patch tool", it's just called like dpatch-edit-patch but with something else then dpatch
[06:24] <\sh> cdbs-edit-patch ;)
[06:51] <tseng> hi
[06:51] <mgalvin> hi tseng
[06:58] <\sh> hoi tseng
[07:22] <\sh> doko: masssync or hand?
[07:24] <doko> no, just rebuilds
[07:25] <\sh> hmm...now i don't know
[07:25] <\sh> ajmitch: ping
[07:26] <\sh> anyways...will do them all
[07:27] <\sh> argl
[07:33] <\sh> ajmitch: i will upload some libs of yours, where I found debdiffs for
[08:27] <nalioth> howdy
[08:29] <tritium> Hi nalioth
[08:29] <nalioth> tritium: did ya see my ??s in #ubuntu?
[08:30] <tritium> nalioth, no, I didn't see any nick highlights.
[08:32] <nalioth> didnt preface them with "tritium" as they were generally meant for those who might know
[08:32] <nalioth> tritium: is there a page to skewl me in how to make a wiki/myname page?
[08:32] <tritium> nalioth, sorry to have missed them
[08:32] <nalioth> my intelligence level isnt allowing my comprehension of "how to make a wiki"
[08:32] <nalioth> i went to the 'sandbox' page, but didnt see an "edit' button or link
[08:32] <nalioth> just recycled em for ya
[08:33] <tritium> I don't recall there being a wiki page on how to make a wiki page...I've only gone through the process once, so my memory is very vague
[08:34] <mitsuhiko> nalioth: you must be registered
[08:34] <nalioth> mitsuhiko: ok then
[08:35] <nalioth> had too many instructions
[08:36] <nalioth> and i thought that what i was doing was part of registration
[08:37] <nalioth> where (besides in front of my face) is the link to registe?
[08:38] <nalioth> cuz im at the frontpage and see nothing on registration
[08:38] <nalioth> i'm tryin to do the wiki thing for consideration of membership
[08:39] <nalioth> its really vexing cuz i don't see a registration thing, only the new member proceedings which i'm tryin to follow
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> where can I find my .session file?
[09:09] <mgalvin> ogra, i finally got a min to do the cxx transition of libcwd, should i file a bug report of this or should i put it on the wiki for review?
[09:28] <tseng> mgalvin: cxx stuff gets a bug report w/ patch
[09:28] <tseng> aiui
[09:30] <mgalvin> tseng, ok, but this is a completly new package version also, would that mean we should bring in the new version that i already got into Debian then patch that here?
[09:30] <tseng> erm wow
[09:31] <tseng> we froze CXX stuff so we could fix what we have now and not worry about moving versions
[09:31] <tseng> fix it and then update it.
[09:32] <mgalvin> ok in which the current version was already fixed, so i guess my new version will come in from debian at a later time
[09:46] <\sh> source upload now ;)
[09:53] <mgalvin> ok, so hopefully i can actually make myself useful ;)
[09:53] <mgalvin> is anyone working on transitioning showimg?
[09:58] <\sh> showimg?
[09:58] <\sh> application?
[10:00] <mgalvin> its on the cxxlibrary list :-/ but it deps on libkexif so i am doing that first
[10:06] <\sh> phew
[10:08] <mgalvin> ls
[10:14] <mgalvin> ls
[10:14] <mgalvin> dang, oops ;)
[10:14] <GheRivero> res
[10:22] <nalioth> pardon me, but i havent been able to find this on the wiki. what channel is the council meetin held in?
[10:23] <whiprush> #ubuntu-meeting
[10:23] <\sh> #ubuntu-meeting
[10:23] <nalioth> thank ya
[10:34] <\sh> libbonobomm1.3_1.3.8-2.2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:34] <\sh>  libbonobomm1.3_1.3.8-2.2ubuntu1.dsc
[10:34] <\sh> they're already on the archive
[10:34] <\sh> but where is the binary
[11:44] <tseng> http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/beagle/Util/Util.dll.config.in?rev=1.2&view=markup
[11:44] <tseng> yay!
[11:47] <\sh> grmpflmpf
[11:48] <tseng> heffalumps and woozles?
[11:48] <\sh> yes
[11:48] <\sh> libbonobomm1.3-9c2_1.3.8-2.2ubuntu1_i386.deb is missing on the servers
[11:48] <\sh> source package is there...but
[11:48] <\sh> grmpfmpf
[11:49] <tseng> yeah i cant --reinstall gamin either
[11:52] <\sh> k...no meeting, no binary, missing compilestatus, time to go to bed :)
[11:55] <dholbac1> ok, i'm off to bed now too
[11:55] <tseng> bye.
[11:56] <dholbac1> have a nice evening
[11:56] <\sh> u too :)
[11:56] <\sh> g'night too :)
[11:56] <dholbac1> :)))


[16:29] <manjo> kamal__, looks like you backported ARM: fix alignment of keystone page table fixup do you recall what issue this fixed ?
[16:33] <apw> manjo, from the description i'd say it makes sure the end of the kernel data space is mapped properly, which i would to mean random builds working and randoms ones not
[16:34] <manjo> apw, ok I have a similar situation ... so was trying to understand that patch
[16:35] <manjo> apw, was looking for any bug report so that I can compare the trace
[16:35] <manjo> apw, the bug that it ref to is of no help
[16:35] <apw> the bug would be a stable being applied en-toto bug i assume
[16:35] <apw> the original is no more verbose, and has no bug associated
[16:36] <manjo> bah
[16:36] <apw> but as it is random end of data space alignment issues, it woud literally be anything that happens to be linked there which would be missing
[16:36] <kamal__> manjo, yeah, that commit was just "cc: stable", hence I merged it...  there is/was no bug reference for it.
[16:36] <apw> i doubt it is constrained to any particular thing
[16:36] <manjo> apw, so in my case a dkms module does a get_user_pages() but it is unable to pin it because *pmd = 00000000
[16:37] <manjo> kamal__, ack I feard that might be the case
[16:37] <manjo> but the code worked in a previous build but no in the current build
[16:39] <apw> manjo, have you a crash stack for it?
[16:40] <manjo> pmed you the bug
[16:48] <apw> that stack could just be saying you asked it to map something from userspace which does not exist
[16:49] <manjo> right so it seems like there is nothing wrong kernel wise ... but the user tells me that they did not see failures like this before
[16:50] <apw> that tells you nothing other than they used to be luckier, in reality.  code which should and indeed seems impossible to have worked ever
[16:50] <apw> often works for years before exploding and showing you they are passing the wrong thing
[16:51] <manjo> did you see my comment #2 ? that is what I was trying to understand as to why their module is trying to pin invalid page table
[16:52] <apw> well that is simply defined by the address you pass in, it is saying "you asked me to pin a page in this range, but there isn't even a pmd for it, so there is no page EFAULT"
[16:52] <manjo> I want to completely rule out that any merge from ubuntu to this flavor kernel did not intro any regressions
[16:53] <apw> from that trace, i would say the driver reported that the get_user_pages failed, and then went on to use the address anyhow as if it did not
[16:55] <manjo> :) yeah it looks messed up ... trying to untangle the spaghetti so that I can put the ball on their court


[08:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4206 QA Signoff: Approved
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4206 QA Signoff:
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4206 Preparing packages
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4206 Generating diffs
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4206 Successfully built
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4178 Merging branches
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4208 Successfully built
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4208 Diff missing (groovy/haskell-pandoc-citeproc, groovy/haskell-publicsuffixlist, groovy/mpd, groovy/node-gulp-util, groovy/nodejs). Successfully built (groovy/pandoc)


[12:24] <MCR1> JohnLea: Hi :) I guess you have a lot of stress because of the UDS ?
[12:25] <MCR1> JohnLea: It is because I have some ideas that I would want you to see ;)
[12:27] <MCR1> JohnLea: I will post the links 4 you, maybe you have a chance to look at them:
[12:27] <MCR1> JohnLea: bug 1069165
[12:28] <MCR1> oh, no robot here ;)
[12:28] <MCR1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1069165 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1069158


[06:26] <guiverc> anyone got an ETA on 16.04 now ESM ML notice  (re-hash of sil2100 Mar-12 warning); would be appreciated :)
[12:16] <bluesabre> Laney (or anybody else familiar with seeds), is it acceptable to add non-seed files to a seed repo? For instance, adding a readme for contributors or github actions (we have a mirror) on https://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/tree/
[19:17]  * enyc meows
[19:17] <RikMills> why is a package that is linux-any and built previously on riscv64 now not building for riscv64?
[19:21] <RikMills> calamares, tellico, cpustat, nodm, that I can see on excuses
[19:33]  * RikMills fixes calamares
[19:44] <RikMills> actually not tellico
[19:52] <kc2bez> Thanks for the fix on calamares RikMills
[19:52] <krytarik> bluesabre: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/ - given Lubuntu even got a script in there, I don't think that'd be a problem.. O_o
[19:53] <RikMills> kc2bez: np. might end up being reverted, but at least in the short term it should migrate
[19:53] <RikMills> with new kpmcore


[00:46] <doko> slangasek, yes, forgot to prmote it, I'll look if anything explicitly b-d's on swig2.0
[00:49] <slangasek> doko: I sorted out the revdeps now
[00:49] <slangasek> and am working on dolfin
[00:49] <doko> ahh, good. then I'm afk
[00:56] <slangasek> pitti: this failure doesn't look to me like it's caused by audit; that shouldn't change the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf... :) http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/systemd/xenial/amd64/
[03:16] <dupingping> hey, everybody.
[03:16] <dupingping> How to register new localization?
[10:34] <decci> Hello developers
[10:35] <decci> I am new to .DEB packaging system.I tried tools like checkinstall but it lacks rules making feature
[10:35] <decci> Anyone with experience on how rules are written
[11:17] <rbasak> decci: easiest to use debhlper's dh sequencer nowadays.
[11:17] <rbasak> decci: install debhelper and then see dh(1)
[11:17] <decci> rbasak: do you mean checkinstall might not help with rule part
[11:17] <rbasak> I don't know about checkinstall
[11:18] <decci> rbasak: debreate looks good tool but sometimes it doesnt help to see what goes behind the hood
[11:57] <sdfgsdfg> hey, i'm wondering if there is some inotify-esque interface that instead of pooling resources can just match for any fs event with a certain dir prefix. or possibly every fs event and then i can filter myself
[15:49] <elosz> what's the difference between extended security and trusted extended attributes ? http://linux.die.net/man/5/attr
[15:50] <elosz> extended security -> normal process can read , superuser can read and write
[15:50] <elosz> trusted -> only superuser can read and write
[15:50] <elosz> is my understanding correct?
[16:40] <vthompson> Is there a recommended way to install the latest UI Toolkit that's installed on the rc-proposed image on your development machine? The one in wily (and in the SDK team PPA) appears to be 1.3.1627+15.10.20150908-0ubuntu1 whereas the version in rc-proposed is 1.3.1688+15.04.20151018.1-0ubuntu1
[20:33] <tsimonq2> does nayone know if I could push a package from Debian Experimental to a Launchpad ppa?
[20:33] <tsimonq2> nvm


[14:23] <hobgoblin> hello ruffedgz
[14:24] <ruffedgz> Hey
[14:24] <hobgoblin> what brings you here?
[14:26] <ruffedgz> I was messaged by 'Elfy' on the ubuntu forums about a thread I made about using LVM on a Ubuntu install and how it would be good to make into a wiki page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1782296
[14:26] <hobgoblin> aah - brb
[14:26] <ruffedgz> no worries
[14:26] <hobgoblin> that's me :)
[14:27] <hobgoblin> just reading PM
[14:27] <hobgoblin> nice one :)
[14:28] <hobgoblin> If you want to do the thing then that is brilliant news - we have a tool that you can use
[14:28] <hobgoblin> I thought I recognised your name :)
[14:29] <hobgoblin> ruffedgz: the tool is here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/ImportTool
[14:29] <hobgoblin> it's a script - if you want to do the deed then - go ahead - if you want some help then ask :)
[14:30] <ruffedgz> sure thing. I am going to make some small changes to the forum post first then try out the conversion ;)
[14:30] <hobgoblin> excellent :)
[14:31] <hobgoblin> I copy the result across to the wiki team sandbox first so I can play before I make it a real wiki
[14:31] <hobgoblin> so if you want to do that - just ping me and I'll show you were it is
[14:34] <ruffedgz> awesome =D excited to help :D
[14:35] <hobgoblin> I'm more than pleased someone wants to do their own :)
[14:35] <hobgoblin> we've done a fair few so far
[15:01] <cortman> +1
[15:22] <ruffedgz> ok, was able to make the .wiki file and wouldn't mind seeing it in the sandbox area first then transfer it over to the live one using this help page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/PageCreation
[15:24] <hobgoblin> ruffedgz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/Sandbox
[15:24] <hobgoblin> edit that page - delete it all and paste in your's play with it
[15:25] <hobgoblin> if you do not get time to finish - more actions - raw text - copy and paste that - just in case someone else comes along and removes your 'playing'
[15:25] <hobgoblin> bodhi_zazen: ruffedgz came here to do their own tute to wiki convert :)
[15:46] <hobgoblin> hi JonEdney wildmanne39
[15:46] <JonEdney> Hey hobgoblin
[15:46] <wildmanne39> hi hobgoblin
[15:46] <hobgoblin> wildmanne39: I realised that we both had the same thread on the import page - sorry - my fault :(
[15:47] <hobgoblin> I did the wiki and removed your line
[15:47] <hobgoblin> hope you'd not done any work on it
[15:47] <cortman> hi wildmanne39
[15:49] <ruffedgz> hobgoblin: quick question - should I move over my pictures to the wiki page (not the sandbox area) or should I keep them on the ubuntu forum?
[15:49] <wildmanne39> hobgoblin, no problem which one was it? if I did not have a link to it or marked in progress I doubt I worked on it yet
[15:49] <hobgoblin> aah - you have to add those as attachments within the wiki
[15:50] <wildmanne39> hi cortman
[15:50] <hobgoblin> wildmanne39: the powerware one
[15:51] <hobgoblin> ruffedgz: you'll need to save the wiki - then there is an option for attachments, save them - then they are available 'within' the wiki to add into the text
[15:51] <ruffedgz> sounds good
[15:51] <hobgoblin> ruffedgz: if you need to see what the syntax is like - edit or raw text the import page you got the tool from :)
[15:52] <hobgoblin> or read the wiki for it ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking
[15:53] <ruffedgz> yep, I use moinmoin at work ;) I knew it was possible but didn't know if it was done for this particular wiki =D
[15:53] <wildmanne39> hobgoblin, no harm done there
[15:53] <hobgoblin> ruffedgz: aah cool - you need to hang around then - for the most part we are learnign as we go I think :D
[15:54]  * hobgoblin knows he'd take all the help he can lol
[15:55] <cortman> in that case we'd REALLY like to have you on the team ruffedgz
[15:56] <ruffedgz> lol
[16:14] <ruffedgz> ok, I have it looking pretty good now but I was wondering if this title is a good one to use: UbuntuDesktopLVM
[16:14] <ruffedgz> what do you all think?
[16:18] <hobgoblin> yep
[16:18] <hobgoblin> more or less what I was going to use
[16:24] <ruffedgz> ok, I know I didn't want to use something like this: SetupUbuntuDesktopwithLVMPartitions ... :P
[16:25] <hobgoblin> yea - can get a bit hard to decide sometimes
[16:25] <hobgoblin> if it's something simple like grub it's easy lol
[16:26] <ruffedgz> lol, true that
[18:36] <ruffedgz> lol, I keep losing connection :P
[18:36] <hobgoblin> that's pants :(
[18:36] <ruffedgz> sorry for the late entry on this (working on multiple things right now) but I finished my entry and please look over and advise/change what you need to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuDesktopLVM
[18:38] <hobgoblin> that looks good :) all I would change is the order at the beginning for versions - I would have done 12.04 to 10.04
[18:38] <ruffedgz> sounds good, I can do that
[18:38] <hobgoblin> but that's just personal preference :)
[18:38] <hobgoblin> ruffedgz: did you use the tool?
[18:39] <ruffedgz> I did use the tool to convert it
[18:39] <ruffedgz> I had to make some modifications to it for it to work with the table of contents and some other minor things but it worked out great
[18:41] <hobgoblin> yea - we know about the tidying up - but it makes people look at the thing before saving :)
[18:41] <ruffedgz> agreed, thats why I wanted to look it over in the sandbox just in case ;)
[18:42] <hobgoblin> yep :)
[18:42] <hobgoblin> what we don't want for this project is for wiki to fill with rubbish :)
[18:43] <ruffedgz> yep yep, that makes sense, We have a lot of that in my job now. I work on it but cleaning is another matter >.<
[18:47] <ruffedgz> well let me know if you need my help on anything else. I have setup notifications for the LVM page I just added so I can make sure the content thats changed is good.
[18:48] <hobgoblin> thanks ruffedgz - I'll be sureto remember you :)
[18:49] <ruffedgz> hobgoblin: Sounds good. Have a good one :D
[18:50] <hobgoblin> cheers :)


[16:31] <IDWMaster> Hi
[16:31] <IDWMaster> Whenever I call a GTK+ function from inside a library the application crashes
[16:31] <IDWMaster> Also; I can't get GDB to work on my library; so I have no way of knowing what is causing it to crash
[16:35] <IDWMaster> Ahh
[16:36] <IDWMaster> Figured it out
[16:36] <IDWMaster> Forgot --libs in pkgconfig
[16:36] <IDWMaster> NOW GDB WORKS TOO!
[16:36] <IDWMaster> Yeah!
[20:32] <IDWMaster> Hi
[20:32] <IDWMaster> How do I generate a configure script from an Eclipse library?
[20:33] <IDWMaster> I'm already getting the impression Ubuntu has bad C++ support....
[20:33] <IDWMaster> Or perhaps the issue is with Eclipse
[20:33] <IDWMaster> I've tried Autotools manually
[20:34] <IDWMaster> I've tried changing the generated script files by Eclipse
[20:34] <IDWMaster> but keep getting make errors when I try to use autotools
[20:34] <IDWMaster> Is there any better way to do it?