[05:27] <jbicha> could openssl be copied from xenial-security to yakkety please?
[08:05] <rbasak> mdeslaur: see jbicha's request above. Should Xenial's openssl be copied forward to Yakkety?
[08:10] <apw> i thought in general we were no longer meant to do that, because yakkety has a wildly diferent compiler
[08:10] <apw> (not that this might not be a "yes but its important" moment)
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, since I have a *lot* of binarie to ask for removal, I thought about creating a bug report, and list them here with some rationale
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpng/+bug/1595485
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> is it correctly filed? e.g. I subscribed ubuntu-archive, not sure if correct
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please ack/nack it?
[10:48] <Ukikie> LocutusOfBorg: FWIW, re pepperflashplugin-nonfree: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper i386/amd64, so technically the package is not nearly as useful in Ubuntu.
[12:18] <mdeslaur> jbicha, rbasak: I'll upload openssl to yakkety when I get back on monday


[05:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:23] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje o/
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[05:23] <EriC^^> great you?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> just woke up, still blurry lol
[05:24] <EriC^^> :D
[07:03] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:13] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> great here mate, cold :p
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> what your plans today lordievader
[07:14] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, lordievader
[07:14] <lordievader> Work and more work.
[07:14] <lordievader> Do you have any plans lotuspsychje ?
[07:14] <lordievader> Hey ducasse How are you doing?
[07:15] <ducasse> still waking up :)
[07:15] <lordievader> Too early to tell? 😋
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:16] <ducasse> lordievader: something like that, yes :)
[07:17] <lordievader> 😁
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> sounds like a plan
[08:04] <jink> -4°C -__-
[08:14] <lordievader> jink: Nice, ain't it -.-
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> brrrrrr
[08:28] <ducasse> 'only' -9°C here today
[08:30] <lordievader> Hehehe, only 😋
[08:31] <ducasse> supposed to get colder tomorrow, not looking forward to that much
[08:32] <jink> -__-
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> hmm why does skype not get ontop here https://uappexplorer.com/snaps?sort=-last_updated
[08:38] <jink> Because ... Oh.
[08:38] <jink> :(
[11:54] <TJ-> !free
[11:55] <TJ-> !ram
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:16] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[16:39] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ :)
[16:39] <EriC^^> hey ducasse :)
[16:39] <EriC^^> how are you?
[16:40] <ducasse> i'm good, how's your afternoon? :)
[16:42] <EriC^^> good thanks :)
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:45] <EriC^^> evening lotuspsychje
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> hey hey EriC^^
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> 60mb bionic updates
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> anyone tested photorec on a smartphone yet?
[19:32] <nacc_> what a ridiculous set of queries today
[19:32]  * nacc_ might be done helping for the day already
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> troll night
[19:38] <Bashing-om> ^^ Nicotene withdrawal - 5th day - my patience factor is non-existent - Subject to go to bed with no notice !
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> quit smoking Bashing-om ?
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> try coffee as alternate + irc
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> another type of drug :p
[19:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Giving quitting one more try = so far so good :)
[19:40] <TJ-> Hmmm, this SDcard failure/recovery issue is very intriguing
[19:41] <TJ-> With it in the MMC slot 'badblocks' has now done 4 write-pattern passes over the entire 32GB without a problem
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> cool
[23:05] <pauljw> hi everyone


[00:20] <pleia2> I think it was a nigerian prince, I just went "lol, hacked"
[00:20] <pleia2> I probably should have told him
[03:18] <InHisName> can a telnet server tell the diff between a human and a script ?
[03:32] <mikedep333> InHisName, that would require heuristics
[03:32] <mikedep333> the simple answer is no
[03:33] <InHisName> I got this little device that speaks telnet.  It is fine with manual cnx.   BUT script to it and it never replies after the password !  Nutthun.
[03:35] <mikedep333> maybe a problem with newlines or character encodings
[03:36] <InHisName> I ran manual and put STDERR to a file but no output went there.   I switched to STDOUT to file and normal text after password went there too.
[03:39] <InHisName> The perl routine had a raw capture dump log.  I examine that to fix many of my errors.  It gets all the text up to the prompt for the password.  Captures the password too. [doesn't matter for this test]  Then no more text comes out.
[03:40] <mikedep333> yeah
[03:40] <mikedep333> I gotta get to bed
[03:40] <mikedep333> still, line breaks or character encoding may be to blame
[03:40] <mikedep333> ttyl
[10:45] <rmg51> Morning
[11:12] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:12] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[11:17] <rmg51> o/
[11:20] <JonathanD> whats up?
[11:23] <rmg51> same as yesterday at this time :-D
[11:23] <JonathanD> In other words "us"
[11:25] <rmg51> basicly
[13:08] <teddy-dbear> morning
[14:31] <JonathanD> Invited the dev of crayon physics to fosscon.
[14:44] <jedijf> JonathanD++
[14:47] <Sadin> hey everyone
[14:48] <Sadin> i have a question for those more knowledgable of ISPs then I and i was wondering if my ip is dynamic from my ISP can i attempt to make it static for my server or is that impossible?
[14:54] <jedijf> Sadin: dyndns and others
[14:55] <Sadin> jedijf ive seen them before ill look into it thanks
[14:56] <jedijf> google dynamic dns . many will come up, many have preferences and opinions, any will work for you...great holiday project
[14:56] <jedijf> check your router, and see which 'brand' it prefers, many will autoupdate
[14:57] <jedijf> that's enough info, now i'll let you explore and learn :)
[15:03] <Sadin> k :P
[15:08] <Sadin> jedijf whe you said brand you mean 'dyndns'
[15:18] <jedijf> that's one, no-ip is another etc
[15:45] <Adom> anyone traveling for tomorrow?
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> I already travelled.
[15:48] <Adom> long drive?
[15:52] <JonathanD> I'm traveling the 12 miles to my parents house.
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> It is usually 2.5hrs but it was 3.5 in last night's traffic
[15:55] <Adom> yeah i was curious about traffic right now. last thing i want to do is get on the interstate. tomorrow we drive about an hour to Courtney's mom's. then back here to prepare for black friday shopping.
[15:55] <JonathanD> kudos to microcenter btw.
[15:55] <JonathanD> They open at 10am for black friday.
[15:56] <Adom> thats not very early compared to other stores
[15:56] <Adom> toys r us opens at 9pm tomorrow night.
[15:56] <Adom> walmart at 10pm.
[15:57] <Adom> most others at midnight, then some at 5am
[15:57] <Adom> it used to be that they all just opened at 5am.
[16:00] <JonathanD> Adom: thats why they get kudos.
[16:00] <JonathanD> 10am is reasonable.
[16:00] <JonathanD> 5am is not.
[16:00] <JonathanD> 9pm the night before is just stupid.
[16:09] <Adom> agreed
[16:09] <Adom> where does it end? 3 years from now it starts at 4pm Thanksgiving Day? thats not cool
[16:09] <Adom> basically you're saying if you want a chance at these sales then you cant spend time with your family
[16:10] <Adom> anyway, my sisters and i go black friday shopping every year. tradition. get up at 3am, drive in, elbow old ladies and soccer moms out of the way.
[16:10] <Adom> now we head in at 6pm? ugh.
[16:11] <Adom> i wont get back from Courtney's mom's til at least 7.
[16:11] <Adom> they live up in NY
[17:46] <InHisName> Ever here of a 'funny' telnet that would change its listening port from STDIN after issuing the "Password:>" prompt ?   It works fine in terminal mode, just redirection, scripting, piping, all looses its ear at > of pwd prompt.
[17:55] <jedijf> is it time to eat pumpkin pie yet? WTH
[17:55] <JonathanD> When is it not?
[17:56] <InHisName> Donna made 8 pies last week from only 1/3 of a pumpkin.  3 down, 5 to go.
[18:07] <pleia2> pumpkin_pie++
[18:08] <JonathanD> mmmm pie.
[18:08] <InHisName> ala mode even better
[18:32] <teddy-dbear> is it time to stuff the turkey yet?
[18:32] <InHisName> no stuffing your belly is tomorrow, teddy-dbear
[18:33] <teddy-dbear> not me silly
[18:33] <teddy-dbear> the turkey
[18:33] <InHisName> hmmm, stuffed bear for thanksgiving ......
[18:33] <teddy-dbear> and where is or turkey?
[18:34] <teddy-dbear> *our
[18:34] <InHisName> If you are coming over for dinner then it's here.
[18:35] <EvilResistance> InHisName, i'll buy your turkey from you :P\
[18:35]  * EvilResistance offers $750-worth of gold
[18:36] <InHisName> why, is store out of stock already ?
[18:36] <EvilResistance> the one out here is
[18:36] <EvilResistance> and i'm not willing to drive much further
[18:36] <EvilResistance> since its COLD and it was raining
[18:36] <EvilResistance> i fear the roads will freeze
[18:36] <InHisName> Then I recind the invite
[18:37] <EvilResistance> :P
[18:37] <EvilResistance> who said anything about me drivin to your location
[18:37] <EvilResistance> *randomly appears*
[18:38] <InHisName> When I was in HS way back the power went out thurs morning 4am.  Came back sat.   My sibs still mention that meal over all the others.
[18:38] <EvilResistance> lol
[18:38] <InHisName> Hotdogs on the coleman
[18:38] <EvilResistance> ouch
[18:38] <EvilResistance> hehe
[18:39] <InHisName> The pie was ready so we had that at end.
[18:40] <ChinnoDog> pumpkin pie and pecan pie has been purchased
[18:41] <InHisName> we use pumpkins from garden
[18:41] <ChinnoDog> Are they pie pumpkins?
[18:41] <InHisName> don't have a pecan tree yet
[18:41] <InHisName> The pies are now.
[18:43] <InHisName> all pumpkins are good for pies until you make jack-o-lanterns and let them sit around for a while cut.  ewwww.
[18:44] <EvilResistance> heh
[18:45] <EvilResistance> and this is why i dont make jack0o0lanterns
[18:45] <EvilResistance> ugh, evil netbook
[18:45] <InHisName> we didn't either.   Yum pies.
[18:45] <EvilResistance> PIES!  PPPPPPPIIIIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
[18:45] <InHisName> also pumkin bars. AND pumpkin cake
[18:45] <EvilResistance> :p
[18:45]  * EvilResistance requires tons of pie today
[18:46] <InHisName> so EvilResistance can blow up with only one bite tomorrow !
[18:47] <EvilResistance> InHisName, no, because i didnt have anything to eat yesterday...
[18:47] <EvilResistance> my blood sugar is horridly low\
[18:47] <EvilResistance> as well, i am starving
[18:47] <EvilResistance> so...
[18:47] <EvilResistance> PIE!
[18:47]  * EvilResistance finds a pie in the fridge and eats it
[18:48] <InHisName> make your blood suger like stock mkt chart.   really HIGH, really LOW and bounce lots.
[18:48] <EvilResistance> lol
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> Or stop eating carbs and have it level off
[18:52] <ChinnoDog> Eat more bacon.
[18:52] <Sadin> gawd
[18:53] <Sadin> my ati card isnt working well with my crunchbang install
[18:54] <InHisName> any telnet gurus around ?
[18:56] <Sadin> ssh is more fun :)
[18:56] <InHisName> I have device here that doesn't do ssh but telnet.   Attempting to add to nagios monitoring system.
[18:57] <JonathanD> InHisName: is this the password thingy you mentioned?
[18:57] <JonathanD> Try netcat.
[18:57] <InHisName> also does http but the source captured has little in it.
[18:57] <InHisName> sort of.
[18:59] <InHisName> I have a telnet site that I compare to  -->rainmaker.wunderground.com      it works with all the suggested scripts for telnetting.
[19:00] <InHisName> my device works fine in terminal mode.   Make a telnet special script, and it puts out first screen thru the password prompt.  THEN stops listening.  Or changes where it listens.
[23:11] <rmg51> time to stuff the turkey:-D


[14:50] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: m-d uses recommends, but not depends. therefore FF updates are not blocked by extensions
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> bdrung - hmmmm, what's the point in versioning them then?
[15:16] <chrisccoulson> fta - if i rename lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head to firefox-trunk.head, would that upset the daily builds? they're just using the lp:firefox alias aren't they?
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> micahg - this abrowser-on-XR stuff is a PITA atm. i might have to shelve it for now until i've got more time ;)
[15:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no worries
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg - there's quite a few things we need to resolve before we can do it
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> the first one being translations - the translations seem to be incompatible due to the different jar packaging formats
[15:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you add the tasks to the blueprint, I'll try to help with it
[15:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that seems weird
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> the second one being that because xulrunner is a versioned source package, and there can be more than one copy in the archive (especially when we add new XR versions as a stable update), we need a way to transition cleanly
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> also, i'm not sure if we should make abrowser use the ~/.mozilla/firefox profile. if we do, then firefox and abrowser still need to conflict. if we don't, then you can install both browsers side-by-side, but you can't switch between the 2 different brandings like you can now
[15:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, we can have versioned abrowser packages with a meta abrowser package that always points to the "current" one
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - what happens when we add a new version during upgrades though? the user ends up with 2 different copies of abrowser installed
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> (with 2 different launchers which look the same)
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> note, that we can't use conflicts during stable updates, as update-manager doesn't resolve package removals
[15:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: provides, conflicts, replaces: abrowser?
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what that would do. but, any package relationships which force a removal will end up with update-manager offering a partial upgrade though
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> and then the user has to do apt-get dist-upgrade to resolve it properly
[15:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, we can transition back to an unversioned xulrunner, but then we have to update everything when we do a version jump, that seems more risky
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we definately don't want to do that. the versioned xulrunner has to stay for now, so we can have them parallel installable
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> i've got abrowser-on-XR building now btw, so i can push my current work to a separate branch for now
[15:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that sounds good, would a 2 way profile importer help WRT profiles?
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. possibly, but that might start to make things quite complicated
[15:40] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: shouldn't we version recommends?
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, i'm just wondering what benefit it gives in this case. so, if an extension in the archive is not compatible with the current version of firefox, then installing it just won't pull in the recommends, right?
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> but if the recommends are installed already, it doesn't make any difference
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> in this case, the extension shouldn't be in the archive anyway ;)
[15:47] <bdrung> and moving recommends back to depends and set the min version?
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> min version is fine for a depends, but anything which makes a transition difficult (which maxversion generally does), wouldn't be so good IMO
[15:51] <bdrung> asac, micahg: what do you think about moving recommends to versioned depends (see above)?
[15:53]  * micahg goes to look up depends/recommends definitions in policy manual :)
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> micahg - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-2.0.head.abrowser-on-XR
[15:54] <chrisccoulson> that's what i've got so far, which seems mostly working
[15:55] <micahg> bdrung: well, I guess the question is, do the extensions do anything with any other packages not in the m-devscripts added list?
[15:56] <bdrung> micahg: no - all packages that can have xul extensions should be in the list in m-d
[15:57] <micahg> bdrung: OTOH, firefox/xulrunner/thunderbird will just ignore an incompatible extension for the most part, so forcing package removal on a transition like the one we're doing isn't necessary
[15:58] <micahg> OTOH, forcing the transition means we won't miss updating/dropping extensions before the end of the cycle as someone will probably file a bug ;)
[15:58] <bdrung> micahg: there won't be a package removal, because we aren't setting a max version. e.g. "firefox (>= 3.5)" would be still valid
[15:58]  * micahg will run out of hands soon... :-/
[15:58] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[15:59] <bdrung> micahg: clone yourself! :P
[15:59] <micahg> bdrung: yes, but that's not correct in how the extensions for the most part work though
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, minversion is fine, but i wouldn't be happy with having a maxversion in the depends
[15:59] <bdrung> having min and maxversion is impossible if we have alternatives
[16:00] <micahg> bdrung: right, I saw that discussion on teh Debian extensions list
[16:00]  * micahg thinks that should be a feature request in dpkg :)
[16:01] <bdrung> until dpkg has this feature, we can only set minversion :)
[16:03] <micahg> bdrung: well, I guess a minversion is better than nothing, but I don't really see a use case where it's extremely useful unless an extension is brand new and only for the newer version (almost all the old extensions maintain last stable version/current dev version compatibility)
[16:03] <micahg> bdrung: might not be a bad idea for Debian though
[16:04] <bdrung> yes, that's more a feature for debian
[16:07] <micahg> so, depends instead of recommends is technically more correct as well (since all possible consumers should be listed), and I don't see any harm in having it in Ubuntu
[16:09] <micahg> s/and/therefore/
[16:11] <micahg> s/therefore//
[16:11]  * micahg needs caffeine
[16:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sorry, should have cut and pasted our conversation re: pyxpcom
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that's ok ;)
[16:16] <fta> chrisccoulson, no, the bot uses the full branch name (in fact, it uses my local copy too, which has the --remember urls) so i have to intervene
[16:16] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/%2Bjunk/ppa-confs/annotate/head:/ppabot-pkgs-umd.conf
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> fta - ok. i wanted to renams firefox-4.0.head to firefox-trunk.head, which would keep that name stable indefinately then
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> and i wanted to take firefox-4.0.head for the official in-archive packaging branch
[16:18] <fta> chrisccoulson, from this file, the idea is that the bot either pull from inside $branch if it exists, or bzr branch $lp $branch otherwise
[16:18] <fta> ok, just tell me what you want me to rename and to what
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> fta - so, for now, it's just firefox-4.0.head => firefox-trunk.head.
[16:21] <fta> (i really hate the colors of the lp code browser.. light gray text on either white/lighter gray/light ping background)
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's not good for the eyes ;)
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> fta - if we change firefox-4.0.head to firefox-trunk.head now, the package name would stay the same for now (firefox-4.0)
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> although, that would most likely change at some point in the future, but there are other issues to resolve before we do that
[16:33] <fta> hmm... i remember we had some problems last time we did something like that... i have to look
[16:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think we should just push a new branch, like fta said, there were some issues last time
[16:35]  * micahg has to run
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind how we go about doing it
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> basically, i just want to get FF4.0 uploaded in to the archive, which means renaiming the source to firefox (from firefox-4.0)
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> if i do that in the current firefox-4.0.head, then umd will be building 2 firefox source packages
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> and if i do it in firefox-3.6.head, then we lose the 3.6 dailies on all releases (and the branch name doesn't make much sense then either)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> urgh, did mozilla bump their cairo version
[16:38] <fta> we can try. i remember something about the package name not matching something.. but i don't really remember
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> ?
[16:40] <fta> i have a bunch of branches to consider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/532432/
[16:44] <fta> funny, i had a firefox-trunk.head branch in 2007 ;)
[16:46] <bdmurray> fta: is the right package name "chrome" or?
[16:46] <fta> chrisccoulson, could please rename in lp?
[16:47] <fta> bdmurray, chromium-browser is our src package
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> fta - ok, renamed
[16:47] <fta> bdmurray, do you need the binary packages too?
[16:47] <bdmurray> fta: just source since that is what lp uses
[16:51] <bdmurray> fta: okay it'll show up today / tomorrow
[16:52] <fta> bdmurray, excellent, thanks!
[16:54] <fta> chrisccoulson, is trunk still 4.0?
[16:54] <fta> or did moz already moved it to 4.1, 5.0, .. ?
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> it's still 4.0 atm. so, we'll have 2 4.0 branches for a little while, but that's unavoidable i think
[16:56] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532442/
[16:57] <fta> i can't change the key as it's the src package (which must match d/control and d/changelog)
[16:57] <fta> so the bot can't do two 4.0
[16:58] <fta> i remember the problem now, it was when we change the src package name. the bot chokes just at the transition as it compares two versions but the pkg is not the same. it's a tricky case
[16:59] <fta> when that happens, i need to trigger a manual merge
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> fta -that's ok, we're only changing the branch location atm, so the source package stays as firefox-4.0 for now
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> the new firefox-4.0.head will just have the "firefox" source pacakge, which is what i'm going to upload to natty
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> but we don't need daily builds of that atm
[17:02] <fta> sure
[17:02] <fta> ok, trying
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[17:02] <fta> hold your breath :)
[17:02] <fta> (maybe not)
[17:12] <fta> chrisccoulson, \o/
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> fta - it worked ok?
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> oh, yeah. excellent, thanks :)
[20:32] <bdrung> micahg: i fixed bug #674171
[20:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 674171 in mozilla-devscripts (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[NATTY] Adblock 1.3.1doesn't load up in FF 3.6.12 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674171
[20:33] <micahg> bdrung: great, what was the issue?
[20:34] <bdrung> micahg: the __str__ function added the "
[20:35] <micahg> bdrung: ah, ok
[20:35] <bdrung> it uses now a different function to get the value
[20:37]  * micahg is getting a python book soon
[20:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: which branch are you planning on releasing from to Natty?
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> micahg - which bzr branch? it will be the new firefox-4.0.head, once i've updated it
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> that's what i'm doing right now
[20:42] <chrisccoulson> not sure if it will be tonight, it depends on when i finish testing the upgrade
[20:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, do you want to keep the versioned .head branches?
[20:43]  * micahg was thinking 3 branches, -trunk, -next, and firefox
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg - for now, yes. we need to resolve how we'd handle the dailies to make that work. (if we just had a firefox branch, then we'd lose the 3.6 dailies straight away)
[20:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, for now, I would suggest using firefox-next for natty
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> the issue with that is we want the firefox-next packages to be versioned, so that they are parallel installable with the in-archive version
[20:45] <micahg> when 4.0 is released, we can create the firefox.head branch
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> but i don't want the natty source package to be versioned
[20:45] <micahg> oh right :(
[20:45] <chrisccoulson> hence the split for now
[20:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, I'll merge what you put in the new firefox-4.0 branch into firefox-next when you release for the PPA then
[20:46] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, no asac
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> i could really do with him merging my ubufox changes :)
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - perhaps we need to fork ubufox and maintain it in ~mozillateam ;)
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg - if you take the firefox-next packages from firefox-4.0.head, you'll need to rename the source package to firefox-4.0 too
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> that *should* just work though
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> if it doesn't, then we need to fix it
[21:02] <bdrung> micahg: could we split the daily build PPA - e.g. i want the daily build for FF, but not for thunderbird
[21:06] <bdrung> s/$/?/
[21:10] <micahg> bdrung: well, I don't want to make more work for fta ATM
[21:11] <micahg> bdrung: you can accomplish this by pinning
[21:12] <bdrung> micahg: where can i read more about pinning?
[21:13] <micahg> bdrung: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html, I really need to create a blog and post about it
[21:14] <micahg> bdrung: this is what I was discussing in my MOTU app
[21:16] <micahg> I'll create a formal proposal for UDS-O
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, if you don't want the crack of the daililes, then natty is getting ff-4.0 b7 within the next day or so
[21:16] <micahg> and resurrect my apport-browser initiative as well
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> **dailies
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> maybe in a few hours if my laptop hurries up!
[21:17] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: natty is a little bit unstable on real hardware - compiz problem
[21:18]  * micahg thinks that should be compiz is a little unstable everywhere :)
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, oh, it's ok here ;)
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> but i'm selective with the packages i upgrade
[21:18]  * micahg has seen a lot of Firefox + compiz bugs lately
[21:18] <bdrung> and some apps can't be installed (e.g. mplayer - some dependency problems)
[21:18] <micahg> I think it's actually related to the drivers and KMS
[21:40] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:46] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: which binary xulrunner package will natty have?
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, -2.0
[21:46] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: and will natty have new binary packages besides xulrunner-2.0?
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, there shouldn't be any new packages
[21:47] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: will there any packages dropped?
[21:47]  * micahg is hoping that FF4 Beta 7 has better memory management
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, i hope we'll drop some packages ;)
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what yet though
[21:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, weave was dropped from testing since it can't be supported in a stable release according to Debian :)
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> heh
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> we can drop weave too!
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> \o/
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> we won't need it in a few hours
[21:48]  * micahg will prepare an SRU for maverick later this month
[21:56] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: will xulrunner-1.9.2 be in natty?
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, no, we'll drop that before release
[21:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are we sticking with 4.0 even if 4.1 releases (doubtful)?
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg, it depends when (and if) it happens
[21:58] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: is this list correct for natty: http://paste.debian.net/99912/ ?
[21:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, but we don't have to rush for Lucid and Maverick until 3.6 is close to EOL, right (meaning maybe we can jump to 4.1)?
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, yeah, that looks ok
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we should probably start the work for lucid and maverick this cycle, even if we skip 4.0
[21:59] <micahg> bdrung: does FF4 need a separate app code?
[21:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, I agree, but we can keep in transitional PPA until we need it, right?
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, that's ok
[22:00] <bdrung> micahg: no, because the binary package name doesn't change
[22:00] <micahg> bdrung: ah, ok
[22:00]  * micahg needs to update prism
[22:02]  * micahg tries micahgClone = micahg.clone()
[22:03] <bdrung> micahg: fork() is enough
[22:11] <bdrung> chrisccoulson, micahg: we have to touch all debian/control files in all extensions (add Depends: ${xpi:Depends})
[22:11] <micahg> bdrung: shouldn't we do that in Debian?
[22:12] <micahg> I can take care of the sync/merge requests to Ubuntu
[22:12] <micahg> bdrung: and is that ok with the Debian moz ext team?
[22:12] <bdrung> micahg: yes, we should do it in debian's moz-ext team
[22:13]  * micahg will send a join email later this week
[22:13] <bdrung> micahg: it will affect debian too
[22:13] <micahg> bdrung: I think you should discuss it on the list before making the change since it's fundamental
[22:13] <micahg> unless the tangent that was there already qualifies
[22:14] <bdrung> micahg: yes, i will prepare it and then discuss it
[22:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, is the new ubufox backwards compatible with FF36?
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - unfortunately not
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> it was too much of a pain to make it backwards compatible
[22:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hmm, ok, I was thinking to backport it in the firefox-next PPA, but I guess not, anything you think should go in there besides Firefox?
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not that i can think of
[23:10] <bdrung> chrisccoulson, micahg: please have a look at the pushed m-d changes
[23:12] <bdrung> chrisccoulson, micahg, fta: can i change m-d to use debhelper 7 or is there a reason against it?
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> none of the mozilla packaging is using dh7 atm
[23:12] <bdrung> that's not a reason against it
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> as long as it doesn't break things, it's ok ;)
[23:30] <micahg> bdrung: well, the backport won't build on hardy, but I don't particularly care about that ATM
[23:32] <micahg> bdrung: is that str thing a bug in python?
[23:32] <bdrung> micahg: maybe?
[23:32] <micahg> bdrung: you might not want to remove xul-1.9.2 yet unless iceweasel in experimental is going to 4.0
[23:33] <bdrung> micahg: but maybe we shouldn't rely on str. the fix works on unstable, maverick, and natty
[23:33] <bdrung> micahg: i removed xul-1.9.2 for ubuntu
[23:33] <micahg> bdrung: ok, but it might be worth asking barry if it's really a bug or not
[23:34] <micahg> bdrung: oh right, sorry I see that now
[23:40] <bdrung> micahg: python2.6 didn't change that much
[23:41] <micahg> bdrung: I thought 2.7 was the default
[23:41] <bdrung> micahg: not yet
[23:41] <micahg> bdrung: ah
[23:42] <bdrung> i assume that it's a change in python-librdf
[23:46] <micahg> bdrung: the only recent change was in the way that string exceptions are handled, maybe this is it
[23:46] <micahg> debian 585299
[23:46] <ubot2> Debian bug 585299 in python-librdf "python-librdf: Python string exceptions no more allowed in Python 2.6" [Minor,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/585299
[23:50] <bdrung> hm, not sure


[08:50] <disc0tech> Has anyone else noticed key mapping problems in the trusty daily?
[15:32] <senan> DanChapman, Hey
[15:32] <senan> :)


[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:20] <patstoms> how to remove package together will all config files? I was trying to delete mysql packages with --purge flag but seems like it was not deleting all databases it had
[08:22] <remhaze> Normally --purge should remove all config files, but you can manually remove database here :/var/lib/mysql/
[08:23] <patstoms> i understand that
[08:24] <patstoms> i will just delete mysql folder then
[14:25] <icey> hey jamespage - how do we handle backports of non-OpenStack things to the cloud archive. I'm seeing that there's a bunch of stuff ther's updated from distro but doesn't have UCA specific bug targets nor verification tags
[15:14] <maret> hi i just installed ubuntu-server with 2 nvme drives in raid 0 and xfs file system. I would like to change secotr size to 4k  is the command to use. sudo mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -T largefile4 -L TEMP-drive /dev/md0  if output of  fdisk -l is ?https://pastiebin.com/6061ee7bcbd95
[15:22] <mybalzitch> maret: well, that will erase everything on the drive, and recreate it with ext4
[15:22] <maret> ou sorry true i read the manual wrong
[15:22] <maret> i should use mkfs.xfs
[15:23] <mybalzitch> that will also erase everything on /dev/md0
[15:24] <maret> yeah thats fine thats for external hdd actually , so AFAIK 4k should be better for modern nvme drives if my goal is performance?
[15:24] <maret> if so can i reformat them now and do I use /dev/md0 which represents  RAID 0?
[15:25] <mybalzitch> well, md0 is a software raid device, so it sounds like it could be your two internal nvm.e drives
[15:25] <maret> yes thats it
[15:25] <mybalzitch> you want /dev/sdb for your WD Elements drive
[15:25] <maret> I have two internal nvme in RAID which I thinking about formating to 4k blocks + i have external hdd  for Elements
[15:25] <mybalzitch> 12.75TiB
[15:26] <maret> yeah  sorry about the confusion  I need to format both
[15:26] <mybalzitch> ohhh ok
[15:26] <mybalzitch> also I didn't read your fdisk until now, you have a bunch of drives ;p
[15:26] <maret> 4 yeah
[15:27] <mybalzitch> well the nvm.e's are still 512b native
[15:28] <mybalzitch> but I'm not super well versed on going 4k vs 512b, so I'm gonna bow out here
[15:28] <maret> fair enough cheers :)
[15:29] <mybalzitch> <3
[21:20] <maret> Whats the easiest way to figure how what was the highest usages for CPU / RAM / IO during certain period? I want to run something on server overnight and check results at the morning
[21:51] <maret> nvm seems like I have full disk, how can I figure out why ? https://pastiebin.com/60624bc01a434
[21:56] <leftyfb> maret: sudo ncdu /
[21:58] <maret> leftyfb I dont have enough space to install ncdu :(
[21:59] <leftyfb> maret: maybe start purging some older log tarballs to get some space enough to install ncdu


[13:54] <stokachu> is it possible to pull bundle meta/files from a specific revision?
[13:54] <stokachu> from the charmstore api
[14:29] <frankban> stokachu: what URL are you using?
[14:29] <stokachu> frankban: was using theblues library
[14:30] <stokachu> tried with cs.bundle('data-analytics-with-sql-like-6')
[14:31] <frankban> stokachu: what's the meta/files endpoint?
[14:31] <rick_h_> frankban: I showed him the manual calls to the api to get the content
[14:32] <stokachu> yea i just wanted to know if i can use a bundle revision with the library
[14:32] <rick_h_> frankban: I think the thing is the library could use some improvement to check "exists"
[14:32] <stokachu> like you can with the charm
[14:32] <stokachu> for now im using archive_url routine to gives me the proper url
[14:32] <stokachu> but like rick said it doesn't actually check the charmstore to make sure it's a valid url
[14:33] <frankban> let me take a look at the code
[14:33] <jrwren_> a bundle only has 2 files: the bundle yaml,  and README
[14:34] <stokachu> https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/conjure/blob/master/conjurelib/charm.py
[14:34] <stokachu> to give you an idea of how im using it
[14:34] <stokachu> the bundle can come in the form of just the name of the bundle or a bundle+rev
[14:35] <frankban> stokachu: so you want to use met/manifest to get the file list before
[14:36] <frankban> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/bundle/data-analytics-with-sql-like-6/meta/manifest
[14:36] <frankban> ???
[14:36] <stokachu> well i was hoping to just make a single call to the bundle+rev to pull in the default includes with the library
[14:37] <frankban> stokachu: I am not sure I understood your goal and the problem
[14:39] <stokachu> oh it works now
[14:39] <stokachu> maybe i was entering in an unknown revision
[14:39] <fabrice> stokachu: when you ask for an entity we put the default includes in here https://github.com/juju/theblues/blob/develop/theblues/charmstore.py#L86 but if you want to go through the meta endpoint with that one https://github.com/juju/theblues/blob/develop/theblues/charmstore.py#L73 you will have to provide the includes you want
[14:39] <stokachu> ah ok
[14:40] <frankban> cs.files(self, entity_id, filename='bundle.yaml', read_file=True)?
[14:40] <stokachu> fabrice, frankban that clears it up
[14:41] <stokachu> frankban: that's exactly what i was looking for
[14:41] <fabrice> frankban is always trhe best !
[14:41] <stokachu> :D
[14:42] <frankban> fabrice: ok, you'll have a beer in rome
[14:42] <fabrice> just one ?
[14:43] <frankban> ONE!
[14:43] <frankban> and then wine


[03:01] <StevenK> wgrant: So, something about transistionToStatus. I respect your current reasoning, but do you still have an issue if createManyTasks forgoes the permission checks and calls the setting logic?
[03:01] <wgrant> StevenK: That might be more reasonable.
[03:02] <StevenK> I'm not sure I can hack create() to set them based on the status
[03:30] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6280794/
[03:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Ew.
[03:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Can you factor that out?
[03:45] <wgrant> Surely transitionToStatus can use that.
[03:46] <StevenK> wgrant: transitionToStatus works on the changes from old status to new status
[03:47] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, and what's the problem?
[03:48] <StevenK> So transitionToStatus will only set date_triaged if old_status < TRIAGED and new_status >= TRIAGED
[03:48] <wgrant> Sure
[03:48] <wgrant> That logic works for createMultipleTasks too
[03:48] <wgrant> Because old_status is NEW
[03:51] <StevenK> wgrant: createManyTasks :-P and http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6280868/
[03:52] <wgrant> That's no method name
[03:52] <StevenK> _set_date_properties ?
[04:03] <wgrant> StevenK: Methods are mixedCase
[04:06] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6280909/
[04:07] <wgrant> StevenK: That looks relatively sane.
[04:11] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/use-transitionToStatus-createManyTasks/+merge/191554 has updaed
[04:11] <StevenK> *updated
[04:13] <wgrant> r=me
[04:14] <wgrant> Do QA lots of cases, though
[04:14] <StevenK> Yeah, I'll go through NEW, INCOMPLETE, TRIAGED, CONFIRMED, FIX*
[04:23] <wgrant> StevenK: And creating new tasks directly or by release-targeting, and check the conjoined master and slave cases.
[04:28]  * StevenK stabs swift
[05:29] <lifeless> StevenK: how is swift-for-librarian working out ?
[05:31] <StevenK> lifeless: It is still waiting for review.
[05:34] <lifeless> StevenK: by you and wgrant ?
[05:35] <wgrant> Yes, I need to bring myself to look at it at some point.
[05:37] <StevenK> lifeless: We have a subunit stream that imports in 0.0.4, and spins for ~30 seconds in 0.0.17 and gives no failing tests.
[05:38] <lifeless> StevenK: v1 vs v2 probably; does | subunit-1to2 | <whatever processor you're using> do better?
[05:41] <StevenK> lifeless: Ah ha!
[05:42] <StevenK> lifeless: It can't tell the difference between v1 and v2 streams?
[05:48] <lifeless> StevenK: not automagically
[06:00] <StevenK> wgrant: The test_distroseries_context_with_no_series_task
[06:00] <StevenK> Bleh
[06:00] <wgrant> I agree.
[06:00] <StevenK> wgrant: The test_distroseries_context_with_no_series_task failure is strange -- none of those tests are invalidating caches
[06:01] <wgrant> It could be a test ordering issue.
[06:03] <StevenK> My fingers are itching to refactor that file to a shadow of its former self.
[06:13] <lifeless> StevenK: wgrant: so, having a review getting stale is just a bad idea; surely 'go live' is a separate problem to 'the code is good enough' ?
[06:50] <harishnavnit> hello all
[06:51] <harishnavnit> new to this place , need some help with bug fixes for launchpad
[06:51] <harishnavnit> can anyone help ??
[06:57] <harishnavnit> ping
[06:59] <wgrant> harishnavnit: Hi
[07:01] <harishnavnit> wgrant: hello
[07:04] <harishnavnit> @wgrant : can you help me contributing to launchpad ?
[07:04] <wgrant> harishnavnit: Have you found a bug that you want to fix?
[07:04] <harishnavnit> yes
[07:06] <wgrant> Which one?
[07:06] <harishnavnit> #128642
[07:06] <_mup_> Bug #128642: searching for a bug using #59348 fails <lp-bugs> <search> <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by harishnavnit> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/128642>
[07:07] <harishnavnit> yes
[07:07] <harishnavnit> what next ?
[07:08] <wgrant> harishnavnit: How far have you gotten?
[07:08] <harishnavnit> not very far . i'm yet to start coding
[07:09] <harishnavnit> i have the build
[07:09] <harishnavnit> lp-branches
[07:10] <wgrant> Have you managed to get Launchpad running?
[07:10] <wgrant> The code you probably want to alter is in BugTaskSearchListingView.buildSearchParams.
[07:11] <harishnavnit> well this is my first attempt for a bug fix
[07:12] <harishnavnit> can you elaborate please ?
[07:12] <harishnavnit> i haven't managed to get launchpad running
[07:13] <wgrant> https://dev.launchpad.net/Running describes how to get a local Launchpad instance running.
[07:17] <harishnavnit> yea , i had gone through it
[07:18] <harishnavnit> what is postgreSQL by the way ?
[07:18] <wgrant> http://www.postgresql.org/about/
[07:19] <harishnavnit> thank you
[10:02] <cjwatson> wgrant: The Nagios change that was blocking https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/remove-old-status/+merge/191809 should be in now
[10:07] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks, approved.


[10:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:09] <nasix> Hi every body!
[13:10] <nasix> I have a question regarding apatche. Actually I've done all my search and found nothing!
[13:11] <nasix> I want to run a simple CGI script to execute an application like xterm.
[13:11] <lordievader> Xterm with apache as a parent? Sounds like a bad idea.
[13:12] <bekks> OUCH
[13:12] <nasix> Really?
[13:12] <nasix> Ok
[13:12] <bekks> Yes.
[13:12] <nasix> Thank you for your response
[13:13] <nasix> Actually I want to let some clients to run some application on my server
[13:13] <nasix> and
[13:13] <bekks> No need to use enter as punctuation sign.
[13:14] <nasix> then send the application window to that specific user
[13:14] <bekks> Thats not how a webserver works.
[13:14] <nasix> Is there a good way to do so?
[13:15] <nasix> I don't want to let those client have ssh or something like that to my server
[13:15] <bekks> The only usable solution I do know of is a Citrix XENDesktop Web Server.
[13:17] <nasix> let me google it...
[13:20] <nasix> So this is a Desktop virtualization software.
[13:21] <nasix> But my final target is to let my clients run some specific applications like firefox or so.
[13:22] <nasix> I don't want to let them see the whole desktop environment
[13:22] <Schalla> This sounds borked imho.
[13:22] <Schalla> Where is the usecase for this?
[13:23] <bekks> The usecase is to give a user a desktop or application via web.
[13:23] <nasix> We have a single Linux machine which can access the internet.
[13:23] <maswan> well, if you only want to run command line tools, you can have a browser terminal
[13:23] <nasix> We should not connect any other machine to the internet
[13:23] <maswan> graphical stuff the only reasonable way I know of is complete remote desktops
[13:24] <maswan> or ssh with X forwarding
[13:26] <nasix> can you check my cgi-script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14457834/
[13:26] <Schalla> bekks: Doesnt make that more sane? Or is it only me?
[13:26] <Schalla> (The idea with apache spawning applications)
[13:27] <bekks> Schalla: Basically its not apache which spawns the processes, but a small application (the citrix receiver, even webbased) which does it. On the client.
[13:27] <nasix> when I run this as a bash script, it goes well
[13:30] <Schalla> Got a small question regarding software raid, I created via ubuntu server installation a degraded raid 1 and added then later on a new partition (this is a vm, but I will do the same later on a physical server), is it normal that the number is 0 and 2?
[13:30] <Schalla> https://i.imgur.com/TU4cE2V.png
[13:30] <Schalla> The sync worked as intended after adding and the degraded state is also gone, just wondering about the number + minor
[13:30] <nasix> bekks: Of course when I set DISPLAY variable to some thing like <IP_ADDRESS>:0 , I can see its window on that client. (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:31] <bekks> nasix: The mechanism behind that is totally different.
[13:32] <nasix> bekks: I can see the window for a short time and then it closes automatically.
[13:33] <nasix> bekks: what is that mechanism?
[13:34] <nasix> bekks: can you shed light on that or guide me to some reference?
[13:34] <bekks> nasix: citrix provides a lot of technical documentation.
[13:35] <nasix> bekks: can I use critix for just sending a single application window upon client request?
[13:36] <bekks> nasix: Yes.
[13:37] <nasix> bekks: Thank you very much for your help. Is it so hard to achieve that?
[13:37] <bekks> In a safe way - yes.
[13:38] <nasix> bekks: Thank you. I'll try to do that. I was working on this since yesterday!
[17:59] <mfaroukg> people i there is issue with the built-in firewall not blocking the google IPs
[17:59] <rokusani> anyone?? i'm stuck with a dlink router port forward works on some survialance ip box but not ubuntu server :(
[18:00] <rokusani> online port checker says port is closed for ufw enable ports
[18:00] <lordievader> mfaroukg: What do you mean?
[18:01] <rokusani> but that same online port checker shows another port i..e cameras ip box as open and is accessible using static ip
[18:02] <mfaroukg> lordievader, i have built-in iptables list they should block the google all sites but still can access google , the main function for the FW is not working
[18:02] <mfaroukg> lordievader, this was discovered yesterday only
[18:03] <lordievader> mfaroukg: Could you pastebin your firewall config?
[18:04] <mfaroukg> lordievader, http://pastebin.com/2RJ7eFSg
[18:05] <lordievader> mfaroukg: Your output policy is accept without any drop rules? So, yes you can still access google.
[18:06] <mfaroukg> lordievader, but how ? i have used for long time it was simply redirect me to my local website before , now it is some times redirect and some times passes it
[18:07] <lordievader> mfaroukg: Are you talking about your forward table? If so, that is a mess.
[18:08] <lordievader> mfaroukg: Anyhow, if you want to block outgoing connections then you need to specify drop rules in the output table.
[18:09] <mfaroukg> lordievader, some thing happened after latest kernel update , or google have done something confuses ubuntu check this http://pastebin.com/TiGEeShm
[18:10] <lordievader> What is wrong with that?
[18:10] <mfaroukg> lordievader, and many many location with different IPs
[18:10] <lordievader> Yeah, it is google ;)
[18:10] <mfaroukg> lordievader, when i block some it passes others
[18:11] <lordievader> That makes sense, doesn't it?
[18:11] <lordievader> Much more effective to black hole the google dns records.
[18:11] <mfaroukg> lordievader, but how i stop the users from searching and watch youtube .. they don't stop and network traffic is f**k
[18:12] <lordievader> mfaroukg: Like I said, use the output table of iptables.
[18:12] <Aboodyman> Can you block a range of IPs
[18:13] <Aboodyman> ?
[18:13] <lordievader> That too, you can block google's ip range.
[18:13] <Aboodyman> But how to know the ip range
[18:14] <mfaroukg> lordievader, Aboodyman, how i can let the tun0 only control that i don't want permanent blockage
[18:14] <lordievader> mfaroukg: What?
[18:15] <Aboodyman> mfaroukg: you can not do that unless you install third party software
[18:15] <mfaroukg> Aboodyman, the range is in the pastebin
[18:16] <mfaroukg> lordievader, Aboodyman, i have coovachilli controlling the traffic with virtual tunnel tun0
[18:16] <Aboodyman> lordievader ?
[18:17] <lordievader> mfaroukg: Do you handle the dns requests?
[18:17] <lordievader> Aboodyman: ?
[18:17] <Aboodyman> Why aren't you talking
[18:17] <mfaroukg> lordievader, I changed the DNS to use the google's <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:18] <lordievader> Hmm, if you controlled it you could black hole google'
[18:18] <lordievader> s domain ;)
[18:18] <mfaroukg> lordievader, it was working like charm but suddenly it is throwing me down on the floor
[18:19] <lordievader> Anyhow, i'd setup an ipset with all the google ip's and drop the output if the set matches.
[18:20] <mfaroukg> lordievader, hard workaround :( -crying-
[18:21] <Aboodyman> mfaroukg: What would you do then
[18:21] <lordievader> mfaroukg: It ain't, it is actually quite lovely. Just one line in iptables and a flexible set.
[18:24] <mfaroukg> lordievader, can you check this script : http://pastebin.com/T3kzb7uE it might just need some modifications
[18:26] <lordievader> Ah, that is where the forward rules come from... did you write this?
[18:27] <lordievader> Looking at your earlier paste of your iptables rules I'd say some variables evaluate to ''.
[18:27] <mfaroukg> lordievader, i have contributed only
[18:29] <mfaroukg> lordievader, do you want the iptables -S ?
[18:29] <lordievader> No.
[18:29] <lordievader> Like I said earlier, I'd go with the ipset approach.
[18:30] <mfaroukg> lordievader, do you suggest DNS changing ?
[18:31] <lordievader> mfaroukg: No, read my answer from before.
[18:33] <mfaroukg> lordievader, but this firewall should redirect ALL to my local hotspot client
[18:34] <lordievader> Then let it do that, besides it is not the firewall doing that, but the routing.
[18:36] <mfaroukg> lordievader, you're right .... would you mind hinting
[18:37] <lordievader> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/126595/iptables-forward-all-traffic-to-interface
[18:40] <Aboodyman> 👍
[18:41] <mfaroukg> :-*
[22:06] <dannymichel> fail2ban keeps stoping dovecot from working. is there anything i can do about that? http://pastebin.com/YMDaZPhf
[22:19] <Schalla> RoyK: Everything worked out fine btw! Tested the procedure first on a VM and did it today on the real host, everything worked fine. :)
[22:19] <Schalla> Just have to configure now the software raid for the 2 data disks and then start with the KVM config
[23:06] <axisys> failing to install lsscsi... looks like linux header dependency needs to be resolved... but apt-get -f install fails too.. any suggestion on how to get around it? here is the apt-get output
[23:06] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/37ZWRJ1
[23:07] <axisys> running Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS
[23:07] <axisys> on kernel 3.2.0-60-generic
[23:10] <bekks> Read line 42. You ran out of disk space.
[23:13] <axisys> bekks: doh! let me clean up /boot .. 81% now
[23:17] <trippeh_> ahh, all the times I've had a full /boot :))


[09:23] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:38] <rmg51> Morning
[09:49] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[09:51] <rmg51> Yo
[09:53] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[10:34] <rmg51> nothing at the moment
[10:35] <rmg51> just heading to the kitchen for breakfast
[10:58] <waltman> Morning
[11:01] <JonathanD> Hey waltman
[11:04] <waltman> Yo.
[11:06] <JonathanD> Whats up/
[11:17] <waltman> Oh, not much. You?
[11:17] <JonathanD> Nothing.
[11:17] <JonathanD> I'd like to go for a bike ride.
[11:18] <waltman> This was my day yesterday: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4508921/multi_inspectors.jpg
[11:18] <JonathanD> looks fun :)
[11:18] <JonathanD> aren't you a little old to play with crayons, though? ;)
[11:18] <waltman> It got a little scrunched when I had to switch back to my little laptop screen.
[11:19] <JonathanD> Yeah.
[11:19] <waltman> My crayons didn't have licorice :)
[11:19] <JonathanD> thats not the laptop screen, then?
[11:19] <JonathanD> thats an external?
[11:19] <waltman> Most of the day I was on an external monitor.
[11:19] <JonathanD> waltman: this is why I had such a hard time picking my laptop.
[11:19] <waltman> oh?
[11:19] <JonathanD> I wanted a 1680x1050. but they are gone.
[11:20] <JonathanD> no one makes them anymore.
[11:20] <JonathanD> Just 1080 screens on laptops the size of RI.
[11:20] <waltman> that's 1280x800
[11:20] <JonathanD> yes
[11:20] <JonathanD> and it's already crowded :P
[11:20] <waltman> It's not crowded on my 20" monitor :)
[11:20] <JonathanD> well
[11:21] <JonathanD> it looks crowded :P
[11:21] <waltman> But it's a pain to set that up.
[11:21] <JonathanD> waltman: https://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/06/lenovo_dual_screen.jpg&sa=X&ei=KbHET9KFGMX76gHmxYXDCg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGsgkc4imE_zdtdGKmQLEGyp_gjrQ
[11:21] <JonathanD> You should get that ;)
[11:21] <JonathanD> and get me one, while you're at it...
[11:22] <waltman> Wait, is that a laptop with a built-in number pad?
[11:22] <JonathanD> yes.
[11:22] <JonathanD> and an extra screen.
[11:22] <waltman> and...yes
[11:22] <JonathanD> the thing on the wrist rest is a wacom tablet.
[11:23] <waltman> Plus you don't have to go to the gym, because lugging that around everyday is a great workout!
[11:23] <JonathanD> yup
[11:23] <JonathanD> 2 inches thick
[11:23] <JonathanD> not suprising, given the mechanism for a slide out screen...
[11:24] <waltman> The real reason I took that screenshot was to show that I had multiple inspector windows open. That's kind of a hidden feature of Keynote.
[11:24] <JonathanD> 11 lbs
[11:24] <waltman> yow!
[11:24] <JonathanD> + 2 more for the power brick.
[11:24] <waltman> normally when I run keynote I'd have a lot fewer windows open.
[11:24] <JonathanD> I imagine it's an extra special power brick for the 2KW that thing probably needs.
[11:25] <JonathanD> probably has 2 power cords, you're supposed to plug each into a seperate circuit ;)
[11:25] <JonathanD> waltman: yah.
[11:26] <JonathanD> waltman: I figure the 2nd monitor on that thing would be practical for uses where you have lots of secondary windows/dialogs.
[11:26] <JonathanD> Which is why I bring it up.
[11:26] <waltman> You probably have to plug it into a 220V outlet :)
[11:26] <JonathanD> heh
[11:26] <JonathanD> waltman: did I ever tell you about the AIX thinkpad?
[11:27] <JonathanD> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:860
[11:27] <JonathanD> check out that bad boy :p
[11:28] <waltman> nice
[11:28] <JonathanD> waltman: they are rather rare.
[11:28] <JonathanD> waltman: but there was an accesory available for it.
[11:28] <JonathanD> a 7 disk scsi array, with wheels.
[11:29] <JonathanD> Hope wherever you're going has an elevator...
[11:30] <waltman> First laptop I ever used on a regular basis was a compaq I got from work in 1995. To move the mouse pointer around, you used a tiny trackball built into the monitor!
[11:31] <JonathanD> waltman: I uh... still have that one.
[11:31] <JonathanD> compaq LTE
[11:32] <JonathanD> https://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.obsolete-tears.com/photos/compaq_lte_elite_c440cx.jpg&sa=X&ei=wLPET4eWCOKF6QHC1PXhAQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHeqHx8BYjxqo5AWdl-omj9emQoIw
[11:32] <JonathanD> with the mouse buttons on the outside of the case.
[11:33] <waltman> yep!
[11:33] <JonathanD> waltman: jason uses it.
[11:33] <waltman> Mine might've have been a slightly different model, but that was the basic design
[11:33] <JonathanD> That things gotta be 12 years... more even?
[11:33] <waltman> this one would have been 17 years ago.
[11:34] <JonathanD> geez
[11:34] <JonathanD> still works, too
[11:34] <JonathanD> don't make em like they used to, waltman :p
[11:34] <waltman> I installed Windows 95 on it. From floppies. Multiple times. :)
[11:34] <waltman> Good times.
[11:34] <JonathanD> course laptops don't cost as much as new cars anymore, either.
[11:35] <JonathanD> I recall 95 being s lot of disks:D
[11:35] <waltman> Apple's do! :)
[11:35] <waltman> OK, time for breakfast !
[12:19] <InHisName> Morning
[12:21] <JonathanD> hey InHisName
[12:21]  * JonathanD off to work now
[13:08] <JonathanD> Morning again.
[13:17] <rmg51> that dang JonathanD is acting up again ;-)
[13:18] <JonathanD> sorry.
[13:18] <JonathanD> See, I have the cable strung under my floor mat, and sometimes the chair rolls over it...
[13:20] <rmg51> try to be more careful :-D
[13:22] <JonathanD> rmg51: well, it's better than having people trip over it.
[13:24] <rmg51> I'll have Teddy make you a keep out sign
[14:31] <JonathanD> 40
[14:50] <adom> howdy
[14:50] <JonathanD> hey.
[14:50] <adom> been awhile.
[14:51] <adom> whats new in here?
[14:51] <JonathanD> nothing much, that I'm aware of?
[14:51] <JonathanD> adom: you missed the geeknic :P
[14:52] <adom> geeknic!?
[14:52] <adom> oh wait, in philly
[14:52] <adom> ?
[14:53] <JonathanD> near
[14:53] <JonathanD> warminster
[14:53] <adom> then meh. im up in erie still. looking for nerd jobs in Pittsburgh.
[14:53] <JonathanD> you could have made it :P
[14:53] <JonathanD> it's only, what, 7 hour drive?
[14:53] <JonathanD> I've done it a couple times :p
[15:45] <InHisName> you're in Erie and looking to commute to Pitts ?
[15:46] <JonathanD> hey InHisName
[15:46] <MutantTurkey> Pittsburg ish ya mon
[15:46] <MutantTurkey> i'll be at pitt next weekend - any good places to go?
[15:47] <InHisName> They might have a MickyDs there.
[15:48] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: aquarium.
[15:48] <JonathanD> walk through the submarine.
[15:48] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: yeah I used to live over in pitts so I've done the zoo, the parks, the public works stuff
[15:49] <MutantTurkey> which is always fun
[15:49] <JonathanD> the zoo is nice too yeah.
[15:49] <MutantTurkey> I love the zoo
[15:49] <JonathanD> and that park ... with the coaster...
[15:49] <JonathanD> kennywood?
[15:49] <MutantTurkey> plus the inclines are always fun.
[15:49] <JonathanD> heh
[15:49] <MutantTurkey> anyway I'll probably end up just hanging out doing nothing LOL
[16:07] <waltman> MutantTurkey: there's a Hofbräuhaus on the south side by the river.
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> meh
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> i've been to the real Hofbrauhaus
[16:09] <waltman> the inside is crazy, but they have a big outdoor eating area which is much saner. It can be quite pleasant to sit outside drinking beer and eating German food by the river.
[16:10] <waltman> there are some museums over by CMU that look fun, but I've never been inside them.
[16:10] <waltman> MutantTurkey: Have you been to the Church Brew Works?
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> CMU is awsome
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> i know the dean of CS, he's a very cool guy
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bryant/
[16:11] <waltman> http://www.churchbrew.com/
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> why do all professor pages no matter where you go look the same
[16:13] <waltman> Because they all did their pages in 1997?
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> lol basically
[18:45] <MutantTurkey> rah
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> with Vim can you have it always open in tabs
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> without specifying vim -p file file2 file3
[19:09] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[19:12] <JonathanD> hey SamuraiAlba
[19:12] <JonathanD> we missed you yesterday.
[19:12] <JonathanD> Everyone was crying and stuff.
[19:13] <SamuraiAlba> Sorry :(
[19:13] <JonathanD> It's ok.
[19:13] <SamuraiAlba> Anyone care to pick up a server, 48 port 10/100 Cisco switch, and a m0n0 firewall?
[19:13] <JonathanD> Next ones at your house?
[19:14] <SamuraiAlba> Free to a good organization that helps people with FOSS :)
[19:14] <SamuraiAlba> Next one can be at my place
[19:14] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[19:16] <JonathanD> Hows Saturday?
[19:16] <JonathanD> :P
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> sunday better :)
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> Will be in sicklerville on Sat
[19:17] <JonathanD> I can't do Sundays (most of the time)
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> hmmm
[19:17] <JonathanD> I wasn't serious about this sat, though
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> LOL
[19:17] <JonathanD> I can't keep up that pace :p
[19:17] <JonathanD> Besides, sadin will want to come.
[19:17] <SamuraiAlba> If Sadin comes, he can take a server home :)
[19:17] <sadin> I CANT O.o
[19:18] <sadin> waaaaa
[19:18]  * sadin packs his things
[19:18] <JonathanD> sadin: why can't you?
[19:18] <sadin> How am i getting there my dad works i dont have my license yet my mom thinks people on the internet are child abductors....
[19:18] <sadin> :(
[19:18] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: you said the server is not that loud?
[19:18] <SamuraiAlba> not loud at all
[19:19] <SamuraiAlba> Dual Xeon 5120's
[19:19] <JonathanD> moment
[19:19] <MutantTurkey> sadin: don't worry at least your mom won't call the police on jedijf
[19:19] <MutantTurkey> ;x
[19:19]  * sadin cires cause he wants that server
[19:19] <sadin> cries*
[19:19] <SamuraiAlba> I need a van... license plate "KIDNPR"
[19:19] <sadin> lol
[19:19] <JonathanD> sadin: we'll find a way :p
[19:19] <MutantTurkey> anyone see the I_CAPE_RATS
[19:19] <MutantTurkey> on reddit
[19:19] <MutantTurkey> that got my laugh up
[19:19] <SamuraiAlba> Mutu!
[19:19] <JonathanD> We had highschool students at this last one.
[19:19] <JonathanD> If that helps.
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> SamuraiAlba: sup?
[19:20] <SamuraiAlba> High school students dont taste as good as baby
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> exactly
[19:20] <SamuraiAlba> nm, man.  What u been up to?
[19:20] <JonathanD> I don't think sadin is a baby?
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> us athiests love some warm babies
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> SamuraiAlba: working at drexel doing research for the summer
[19:20] <SamuraiAlba> Little cumin, paprika, cayenne, mandarin orange juice...
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> don't need a server right now... have access to drexel's
[19:20] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: I'd like one for hive.
[19:20] <JonathanD> I think they will want to trade it out for the noisy death server they have.
[19:21] <JonathanD> and if not, I'll find a place for it to live where they can use it.
[19:21] <SamuraiAlba> Need an vmware license set, too?
[19:21] <SamuraiAlba> *a vmware
[19:21] <JonathanD> ESXi is probably good enough...
[19:21] <SamuraiAlba> yeah
[19:21] <JonathanD> unless theres more than one.
[19:21] <SamuraiAlba> Just need to find 6 more GB of FB-ECC DDR2
[19:22] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: how much is in it?
[19:22] <SamuraiAlba> 2gb
[19:22] <SamuraiAlba> it maxes at 8
[19:22] <JonathanD> enough for a couple linux VMs
[19:22] <SamuraiAlba> but still nice toy
[19:22] <JonathanD> what the ram tech?
[19:22] <SamuraiAlba> and if you grab two 5300 series Xeons AFTER a bios upgrade, it can do dual quads
[19:22] <SamuraiAlba> It's FB-ECC DDR2 DIMM
[19:22] <JonathanD> Ok.
[19:22] <JonathanD> I may have some.
[19:23] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: is this tower form factor?
[19:24] <SamuraiAlba> I think I can grab a poweredge 840 off my boss for free, too, but I will have to ask
[19:24] <SamuraiAlba> Tower form BTX I think
[19:24] <JonathanD> that would be perfect
[19:24] <JonathanD> nestle it in a corner somewhere.
[19:24] <JonathanD> have you been to hive?
[19:24] <SamuraiAlba> I cant get FREE Rack ones, but I can pint you towards cheap racks, too
[19:24] <SamuraiAlba> No I have not
[19:24] <SamuraiAlba> what is it like?
[19:25] <SamuraiAlba> If you want, I can drop Ubuntu 12.04 server on the tower and then add the GUI
[19:25] <JonathanD> it's a little hackerspace.
[19:25] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: I'll do an ESXi install on it myself, probably.
[19:25] <SamuraiAlba> okie
[19:25] <JonathanD> We have a couple of those here.
[19:25] <JonathanD> They're ok on network gear and stuff.
[19:25] <JonathanD> But really you should come check it out on open house night :)
[19:26] <SamuraiAlba> Need a Firebox X500 1.2Ghz Celly?
[19:26] <SamuraiAlba> It has m0n0
[19:26] <SamuraiAlba> 1.8b
[19:26] <JonathanD> not that I'm aware of.
[19:26] <JonathanD> At least, not for anything foss related :P
[19:27] <SamuraiAlba> It's running FOSS :)
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> sigh i hate all these liberals on facebook who are arguing with these conservatives
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> i just laugh...
[19:27] <JonathanD> I know ,I mean, I don't know of any suitable use for it that wouldn't be completely self-serving ;)
[19:27] <SamuraiAlba> That's bad
[19:27] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> I called them both "statists" and people were like "we're not a statistic"...
[19:29] <SamuraiAlba> They can be LOL
[19:30]  * SamuraiAlba loads the paintball gun
[19:31] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: hive is a hackerspace in CC. It's a small space, lots of nifty things in it though.  3d printing, electric music on equipment built there, all sorts of things.
[19:31] <JonathanD> a working spy hunter arcade console...
[19:31] <SamuraiAlba> Has anyone played with http://www.sarducd.it
[19:31] <SamuraiAlba> ?
[19:31] <sadin> Fedora17 just pushed out yay!
[19:32]  * sadin realizes no one cares :P
[19:32] <SamuraiAlba> woot?
[19:32] <sadin> Im a fedora contributor :P
[19:32] <SamuraiAlba> nice!
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> sadin: artwork/
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> ?
[19:32] <sadin> artwork
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> LOL
[19:33] <sadin> and i contribute to xfce now too
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> artwork?
[19:33] <sadin> MutantTurkey hmm?
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> sadin: but really, contributing to projects is awesome
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> what are you working on with xfce?
[19:33] <sadin> Shimmer project building themes for xfce and i help the xubuntu design team now
[19:34] <sadin> Maintaining the themes xubuntu uses and that anything with xfce can use really and keeping them modern.
[19:34] <SamuraiAlba> JonathanD, cool beans
[19:34] <SamuraiAlba> I need to stop up
[19:34] <SamuraiAlba> when is the next open house?
[19:37] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: every weds
[19:39] <SamuraiAlba> cool beans
[19:39] <JonathanD> 7pm
[19:39] <JonathanD> 9th and spring garden, or pretty near there.
[19:40] <SamuraiAlba> which city?
[19:40] <JonathanD> Philly.
[19:40] <JonathanD> the only real city :P
[19:41] <SamuraiAlba> Not Camden?
[19:41] <waltman> hmm, maybe I can stop by there sometime in June...
[19:41] <SamuraiAlba> Oh you meant REAL NOT CRAPPY CITY
[19:41] <JonathanD> waltman: you should
[19:41] <JonathanD> waltman: let me know though and I'll come down too
[19:42] <waltman> not tomorrow. and probably not 6/27.
[19:42] <JonathanD> I won't be there tomorrow, I don't think.
[19:42] <JonathanD> I'm still shot from this weekend.
[19:43] <waltman> I was shot from *last* week. I mostly just chilled and worked at home this weekend.
[19:44] <SamuraiAlba> I chilled beer in the freezer
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> sadin: you should get your hands dirty with code
[19:46] <JonathanD> waltman: is the mac thing this weekend?
[19:47] <sadin> MutantTurkey I do program with JS or Ruby
[19:47] <sadin> sometimes PHP
[19:47] <waltman> JonathanD: yes
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> sadin: the xfce code is clean and nice (C) so it's good to work with
[19:47] <sadin> cool
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> though I quickly gave up on it.
[19:49] <sadin> Id still use ubuntu over fedora if when i started out with linux i knew about Xubuntu
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> use Arch.
[19:51] <sadin> Nah... i love arch i just dont feel like it :/
[19:51] <sadin> besides im obligated being part of fedora and all...
[19:51] <SamuraiAlba> JonathanD, when do you wanna swing on out to grab some hardware goodies?
[20:01] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: where?
[20:01] <SamuraiAlba> 605 Doris Avenu Millville, NJ 08332-1403 :)
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> IM COMING FOR YOU
[20:02] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: I have no idea :)
[20:02] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: we share a car, so it isn't always up to me.
[20:02] <SamuraiAlba> I'll be nekkid and have the strawberry jam :)
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> lol
[20:03] <SamuraiAlba> and my Runescape acct was hacked MONTHS ago and I cant get it back :(
[20:03] <SamuraiAlba> I let it lapse for a bit
[20:03] <SamuraiAlba> and had to have the bank stop payment >.<
[20:48] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: anyway, I don't know. Bring it to hive? :p
[20:49]  * JonathanD looks up millerivlle
[20:50] <SamuraiAlba> Millville :P
[20:50] <SamuraiAlba> I would need to find a ride.
[20:50] <SamuraiAlba> It's about 30lbs
[20:50] <SamuraiAlba> LOL
[20:50] <JonathanD> eeh thats far
[20:53] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: we'll get it on our way to cape may? :p
[20:53] <JonathanD> lets do a cape may geeknic.
[21:01] <SamuraiAlba> when will that be?
[21:06] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: whenever you plan it for?
[21:06] <JonathanD> jedijf: hey, can us-pa put down the geeknic as thing?
[21:12] <SamuraiAlba> We should get a geeknic going on my property or in cape may :)
[21:12] <sadin> well my parents are kicking me off the internet in 45min because they think i need to get a life which im very angry about considering i dont play games i m actually always doing work
[21:13] <JonathanD> my parents used to do that.
[21:14] <SamuraiAlba> If I get kicked off, I shut off the router and take the power supply
[21:14] <SamuraiAlba> no phones then :)
[21:15] <SamuraiAlba> or a squid proxy time...
[21:15] <SamuraiAlba> Blocked a whole /24 last night
[21:15] <SamuraiAlba> Youtube
[21:18] <sadin> SamuraiAlba no thats what they do to me.
[21:19] <SamuraiAlba> they shut the router off and take the PSU?4
[21:19] <SamuraiAlba> no 4...
[21:23] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=SC1430-186X2-R&cpc=RESX
[21:23] <SamuraiAlba> specs on the poweredge
[21:23] <sadin> Yes
[21:23] <SamuraiAlba> O_o
[21:24] <JonathanD> SamuraiAlba: I'm all for a cape may thing
[21:24] <JonathanD> not sure where we could hold such a thing.
[21:25] <SamuraiAlba> not sure either
[21:26] <JonathanD> my sister has a condo down there but not enough yard space for.. anything
[21:28] <SamuraiAlba> that's stinky
[21:28] <sadin> i need to come to one of these things...
[21:28] <SamuraiAlba> Aye
[21:29] <SamuraiAlba> I might have a Dell Poweredge 840 Dual core Xeon server for you by then :)
[21:29] <SamuraiAlba> Like I said, I would have to ask the boss.
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> someone randomly depositied several hundred dollars in my account
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> i have no legal implications correct?
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> actually i haven't checked where it's from
[21:30] <SamuraiAlba> check
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> my guess ithat it's the IRS though
[21:31] <SamuraiAlba> double check
[21:31] <JonathanD> I put it there by accident. Please send it back.
[21:31] <JonathanD> :D
[21:31] <JonathanD> Later folks.
[21:32] <SamuraiAlba> late
[21:33] <sadin> i need to come to one of these things...
[21:35] <SamuraiAlba> you do
[21:35] <SamuraiAlba> If at my house (decent yard).  I have about 400 feet of wifi :)
[21:40] <JonathanD> lets do it
[21:45] <SamuraiAlba> I'll have to clean the yard and trim things ;)  It's a bit out since I've been working 2 jobs and doing 18 credit hours LOL
[21:46] <SamuraiAlba> I have some folding tables tho
[21:46] <SamuraiAlba> and I;ll get gas for the grill
[21:46] <SamuraiAlba> and cheddar brats :)
[21:49] <SamuraiAlba> LAN party, too?
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> Quake?
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> Kickin it old skewl
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> peace boys
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> and ladies
[22:25] <JonathanD> Quake yard party.


[00:00] <Seeker`> for some reason my hilight window converts %2 to green
[00:00] <Mez> lol
[00:03]  * Myrtti huggles everyone, especially the silly Britons (and an odd Irish one)
[00:03] <Myrtti> nini
[00:04] <Seeker`> nini
[00:52] <PriceChild> nalioth: one of your floodbots is connected to the same server as another?
[00:56] <nalioth> PriceChild: no
[00:56] <nalioth> i don't put all my eggs in one basket, that kinda defeats the purpose of having multiple bots
[01:13] <Dave2> Next time I go shopping I'm going to have to spread my eggs out across bags. Then watch as they break due to lack of protection.
[01:22] <nickrud> strawman argument
[01:55] <genii> Hello. I would just like to suggest to basically amalgamate the !es and !br into one.
[01:55] <nickrud> heh. hard to guess which is needed sometimes
[01:56] <genii> But since it's all in spanish then they can still understand and then go to whichever is appropriate
[01:56] <nickrud> brazil is portuguese
[01:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Portugese
[01:57] <genii> Only part of brazil is portuguese
[01:57] <genii> At any rate, just a suggestion
[01:57] <nalioth> genii: it's not all spanish
[01:57] <genii> nalioth: True.
[01:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Perhaps reference pt or br to both languages
[01:58] <genii> But the !br factoid for instance has #ubuntu-br and #ubuntu-pt
[01:58] <nalioth> we had a suggestion for !arabic to point to #ubuntu-sa but ther are more countries than Saudi Arabia that speak arabic
[01:58] <nalioth> we do what we must
[01:59] <genii> Perhaps instead of !es or so then by language (not country)
[01:59] <genii> by !spanish or so
[01:59] <genii> to mention the common channels of this and possibly the !pt
[01:59] <nalioth> pt = portugal
[01:59] <Jack_Sparrow> genii Are we supposed to ask someone from brasil if they speak spansih or pt
[01:59] <nalioth> br = brazil
[02:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Pardon my spelling
[02:00] <genii> nalioth: Yes. But as I said just earlier for instance, the !br factoid points to both #ubuntu-br and #ubuntu-pt
[02:01] <nalioth> so a portugues speaking person can get support in either
[02:01] <nickrud> but for us language challenged, it would be nice to point people at the iberian languages
[02:01] <nalioth> we have the factoids for support
[02:02] <genii> Well often for instance there is someone persisting in speaking in what would seem to be spanish but possibly portuguese. But their whois is not enlightening as to what country exactly and so a lookup must be made before a determination of this can be made. Etc
[02:06] <genii> Something in spanish that says the equivelent of something like: Support in spanish by the countries it is most often spoken: ubuntu-es ubuntu-br ubuntu-wherever         or such just makes a bit more sense to me is all.
[03:44] <Cosmo-san> none of the website fixes are working, I can't understand why I can't just get back into the channel.
[03:50] <Cosmo-san> and this channel is dead, all I wanted was to ask questions to fix ubuntu problems...
[03:51] <nickrud> Cosmo-san hang tight, one of the guys that know that stuff will be through
[03:51] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow do you have the lowdown on #ubuntu-read-topic?
[03:52] <Jack_Sparrow> In what context...  someone get kicked?
[03:55] <nickrud> Cosmo-san yes, Cosmo-san
[03:55] <nickrud> he's in channel, might be afk
[03:56] <Cosmo-san> people leave their computers?
[03:56] <jrib> Cosmo-san: have you change the port your client connects with?
[03:57] <Cosmo-san> yes, using xchat
[03:57] <jrib> Cosmo-san: and reconnected?
[03:57] <Cosmo-san> no available firmware updates
[03:57] <Cosmo-san> several times
[03:57] <jrib> Cosmo-san: may I test you?
[03:57] <jrib> (you may be disconnected)
[03:57] <Cosmo-san> yes
[03:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Cosmo-san did you set to 8001 etc?
[03:58] <jrib> he passes
[03:58] <vorian> got it
[03:58] <jrib> Cosmo-san: one sec while I find your ban
[03:58] <jrib> @btlogin
[03:59] <Cosmo-san> kay
[03:59] <jrib> Cosmo-san: you may rejoin #ubuntu.  Thanks for your patience
[04:00] <Cosmo-san> thank yous
[04:00] <jrib> Cosmo-san: you didn't type "test me" in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[04:01] <jrib> that's how you get unbanned by the bots
[04:02] <Cosmo-san> I did
[04:02] <Cosmo-san> several times
[04:02] <Cosmo-san> over the past two days
[04:02] <jrib> Cosmo-san: k, thanks.  Must be a bug then
[04:03] <Cosmo-san> it compiles, ship it!  market it as a feature.
[04:05] <Jack_Sparrow> We have been working onthe bots alot..  did they return a message or just no response
[06:39] <Myrtti> moin dearies
[07:42] <Myrtti> damnit.
[07:43] <Myrtti> I'll do a dear Lazyweb entry
[10:20] <PriceChild> nalioth: see the bots status in -monitor, two seem to be on the same
[11:53] <Dave2>   /unload whoreformat.pl
[11:54] <Dave2> ...gah. must stop failing at entering commands.
[11:56] <jrib> interesting script name...
[11:57] <Dave2> "who reformat". as in it reformats the output of /who to be more friendly to humans.
[12:12]  * elky wonders how one formats *that*
[12:12] <elky> although i believe pygmalion is probably a fair answer
 Factoid? How racist
[12:29]  * jrib ignored
[12:56] <bazhang> doesnt know username or password? sounds fishy.
[13:00] <jrib> meh, if they have physical access it doesn't matter anyway.  It's possible you just install ubuntu to try it then never use it, then want to try it again too
[14:04] <Myrtti> ♥
[14:04] <Myrtti> the best midsummer ever
[14:05] <Myrtti> mom is here, we just were downstairs washing my dad's two rugs
[14:06] <elky> rug washing is fun?
[14:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Cherish those moments together, you get fewer of them as the years go by
[14:06] <Myrtti> yup
[14:06] <Myrtti> elky: one of the Finnish traditions
[14:07] <Myrtti> though we don't do it on special constructed piers anymore
[14:07] <Myrtti> since disposing soapy water directly isn't adviced
[14:07] <Seeker`> sounds more fun than wiating for a car handbrake to be fixed
[14:08] <elky> hehe. ok second question.. is your dad still alive?
[14:08] <Myrtti> elky: yup, didn't get himself killed by mixing diabetes with two weeks drinking a month ago
[14:08] <elky> ok then, if rug washing is so fun, why isnt he helping your mother and you :Þ
[14:09] <Myrtti> because they've divorced? ;-)
[14:09] <elky> then why is she washing his stuff?!
[14:09] <Myrtti> mom sat and watched "rub from there"
[14:09] <Myrtti> I did most of the work :-P
[14:09] <elky> hehe
[14:09] <Myrtti> too bad I forgot my HRM
[14:09] <Myrtti> would've been nice to see the calories and heartrate info
[14:10] <Myrtti> this is how it's supposed to be done traditionally http://housewifeuniversity.blogspot.com/2007/08/matonpesu-piv.html
[14:11] <Myrtti> this is how it's done usually nowadays http://www.merimasku.fi/index.php?sivu=4779
[14:11] <Myrtti> I cheated
[14:12] <Myrtti> apartment building laundry room - lay the rug on the floor - water - soap - brush with a long handle - water from the hose
[14:12] <Myrtti> now sipping sangria and watching the guinea pigs
[14:12] <Dave2> I bet some guy 200 years ago or so went "My rug is filthy. I know! Let's fool people into thinking that rug washing is a tradition!" (Except more Finnish.)
[14:14] <Myrtti> ... well, basically all the laundry was washed with cooking them with lye in a huge cauldron by lakeside hundred years ago
[14:14] <Myrtti> all that is left from that is rug washing
[14:15] <Myrtti> usually kids go swim in the lake while adults are washing the rugs, having a picnic while waiting the rugs to dry off a bit...
[14:15] <Myrtti> productive way of keeping an eye on the children, enjoying summer sun
[14:15] <Myrtti> Lutheran work ethics
[14:16] <Myrtti> "sin to be lazy"
[14:17] <Myrtti> I've done a few rugs myself
[14:21] <Myrtti> we sold them to get money to do a four day field trip to Åland Islands
[14:51] <Myrtti> !tests
[14:52] <Myrtti> !test
[16:55] <jussi01> Myrtti: Tm_T ping?
[16:58] <Myrtti> jussi01: pong
[16:59] <Myrtti> bbq time ♥
[16:59] <Myrtti> (sangria time too)
[16:59] <Myrtti> yes, dear?
[16:59] <jussi01> Myrtti: I need a simple translation, whats the word for format?
[16:59] <Myrtti> in what context?
[16:59] <Myrtti> /msg if necessary
[17:10] <Myrtti> om nom nom bbq
[17:18] <Myrtti> awww
[17:18] <Myrtti> now I've got garlic butter on my keyboard
[17:58] <Seeker`> garlic butter <3
[18:16] <jpds> !staff | <IP_ADDRESS> - is spamming, pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC op (-motu and #u hit so far), thank yo
[18:17] <jpds> keeps changing nicks too
 pls come in new IRC server balkanchat.no-ip.org just type /s -m balkanchat.no-ip.org .We will give you IRC OP
[18:19] <bazhang> oops
[18:21] <tomaw> where'd you see that?
[18:22] <jpds> tomaw: #ubuntu and #ubuntu-motu my case.
[18:22] <Myrtti> yup, on #ubuntu
[18:23] <Myrtti> isn't no-ip dydns :-P
[18:24] <tomaw> it is
[18:24] <Myrtti> who in their right minds would connect to some poor gits p2 snuffling little box
[18:24] <Myrtti> :-P
[18:25] <Myrtti> prolly a warez server of sorts too
[18:25] <jpds> Myrtti: they're not in their right mind...
[18:25] <Myrtti> I sorta figured that
[18:52] <Myrtti> ompaul: Hyvää Juhannusta
[18:52] <ompaul> ?
[18:52] <ompaul> Myrtti, /me is not reading that very well
[18:52] <Myrtti> "Merry Midsummer"
[18:52] <ompaul> but I know a bot
[18:53] <ompaul> :)
[18:53] <ompaul> Myrtti, and many happy midsummers to you too
[18:54] <Myrtti> has everyone seen http://vis.cs.ucdavis.edu/~ogawa/codeswarm/
[19:31] <ompaul> seems I culled some fun
[19:31] <Myrtti> whut where
[19:31] <ompaul> -ot
[19:32]  * Myrtti hmmmmles
[19:32] <Myrtti> "ok"
[19:32] <Myrtti> carry on
[20:12] <jgoo> completely off topic - looking for a pstn / radio link, 13 pstn phone lines, 1500m long, want to cut the middle bit out and replace with a radio xmit and receive
[20:14] <ompaul> jgoo, as you said - totally offtopic maybe ##hardware
[20:15] <jgoo> tried, they said maybe #ubuntu-ops
[20:15] <jgoo> ;-)
[20:15] <jgoo> heh, how did I get in #ubuntu-ops anyway?
[20:15] <Seeker`> #ubuntu-ops is for operator related issues only, not support
[20:15] <jgoo> I know... I thought I joined #ubuntu :/
[20:16] <stdin> I see a bf to here
[20:16]  * stdin pokes Myrtti
[20:17] <jrib> some people are incredibly annoying
[20:17] <Myrtti> stdin: yhm
[20:17] <jrib> (in #ubuntu)
[20:17] <Myrtti> oh, right
[20:18] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[20:18] <stdin> Myrtti: your "asl" friend ;)
[20:19] <Myrtti> noticed
[20:19] <Myrtti> jgoo: hello
[20:20] <jgoo> Myrtti, ... hey *thinks*
[20:21] <jgoo> when did I last speak to you?
[20:22] <Myrtti> so... mind to explain me the humor value of "asl *takes of robe and wizard hat*"
[20:22] <Myrtti> yes, I've read the bash.org
[20:22] <Myrtti> in the context of #ubuntu I don't see where the humor value is
[20:23] <Myrtti> must be nearing the zero horizon with indefinite speed
[20:23] <jgoo> aah you kicked me once. right, Myrtti : someone said ASL on channel, and you kicked them, so I said 'so seriously, asl *robe and wizard hat*
[20:23] <jgoo> you see, it is an execution of a meme.
[20:23] <jgoo> in the internewbs.
[20:24] <ompaul> memes don't cound
[20:24] <ompaul> count even
[20:24] <Myrtti> ... yes. I've read Richard Dawkins Blind Watchmaker in 1994
[20:25] <Myrtti> it still wasn't funny in context of #ubuntu
[20:25] <Myrtti> #ubuntu is a support channel
[20:25] <jgoo> Myrtti, it was in the context of my defiant awesomeness, juxtapositioned against your intolerance to the other guys comment
[20:25] <Myrtti> we strongly discourage other kind of discussion
[20:25] <jgoo> Myrtti, is wasn
[20:25] <jgoo> Myrtti, it wasn
[20:26] <jgoo> GRRR KEYBOARD. Myrtti , It wasn't 'that' type of discussion
[20:26] <ompaul> jgoo, it was offtopic for a support channel
[20:26] <ompaul> therefore ... it was offtopic
[20:26]  * Myrtti changes her irssi theme
[20:27] <jgoo> Right, anyway, so why did you bring this up?
[20:27] <Myrtti> would "personal intrest" suffice as a reason?
[20:28] <jgoo> Wow, you guys must be bored talking to someone who inevitably wandered into ubuntu-ops - how did I get here again? was it some channel forwarding hrm weird.
[20:28] <Myrtti> yes, it was
[20:28] <jgoo> why was that?
[20:28] <Myrtti> because I wanted to have a chat with you uninterrupted with other stuff
[20:28] <jgoo> don't tell me you went to the effort to setup some forwarding rule for me... you didn't do that did you?
[20:28] <Myrtti> sure
[20:28] <jgoo> oh my word. Someone stop the internets, I think we just reached a low point.
[20:28] <jgoo> ok, let's have a chat
[20:29]  * Myrtti blinks
[20:29] <jgoo> Come on Myrtti : obviously you have something on your chest, say your piece, I'd hate for all this hard work and preparation on your part to go to waste.
[20:30] <jgoo> I am listening intently (and in ##electronics if you want to talk HF pstn links)
[20:30] <ompaul> jgoo, I hardly think an aliased command is really hard work now - so perhaps I can interject and make it a very different conversation
[20:30] <ompaul> !guidelines
[20:30] <ompaul> !codeofconduct
[20:30] <ompaul> perhaps jgoo you might like to read those
[20:31] <ompaul> I say perhaps as they are the reason you were removed from a channel - if you can't work out the difference between the reality those docs suggest and the one you were inviting with your conversation I suggest you come back in a few days
[20:32] <Myrtti> ^
[20:32] <jgoo> Hey Myrtti : go ahead - ompaul I have no qualms about being 'kicked' from an irc chanel for making a passing quip after someone has the audacity to ask ASL in a linux chanel
[20:32] <jgoo> Myrtti, : no, go ahead, tell me what you wanted to say
[20:33] <ompaul> jgoo, we are boringly reliable in what we want to say please read those docs
[20:33] <ompaul> you can read our logs for things like that
[20:33] <ompaul> and if you read enough you can find something out about a new box I got which has a badly designed bios
[20:33] <Myrtti> I have laser sight on asking ASL on #ubuntu - it's totally irrelevant to the topic of the channel
[20:33] <jgoo> ompaul, so you brought me in here to tell me you don't have anything to say? am I supposed to think I've been slapped on the wrist for quoting bash.org after someone asks ASL in a linux room? wow!
[20:34] <jgoo> Myrtti, I didn't ask that, but please, go on
[20:34] <jgoo> I want to get to the bottom of this.
[20:34] <ompaul> jgoo, the bottom is this
[20:34] <Myrtti> ok
[20:34] <ompaul> you were offtopic
[20:34] <ompaul> someone else was offtopic first - you don't stray further offtopic
[20:34] <ompaul> that is all
[20:34] <Myrtti> "wrongdoings of others do not justify yours"
[20:34] <ompaul> but then I did not see your "quip"
[20:34]  * Myrtti considers making a factoid of that
[20:35] <jgoo> so, you were really annoyed, on the internets, at someone asking ASL, not me, and me making a joke about it. and you feel the need to somehow 'correct' me?
[20:35] <ompaul> perhaps a little grep would be in order brb (I love 10k scroll back)
[20:35] <stdin> if you think quoting bash.org in #ubuntu is "ok", you definitely have not read those links
[20:35] <jgoo> Myratti: Someone said ASL, you kicked them, I said 'no seriously, asl, or not lol *takes off robe and wizard hat*
[20:36] <stdin> jgoo: and that is not acceptable in #ubuntu
[20:36] <stdin> is that difficult to understand?
[20:36] <Myrtti> which is about the not funniest "joke" in the interhwebs I've seen so far, totally offtopic to #ubuntu AND annoying as hell
[20:36] <jgoo> that was it, one line, and it has obviously been on your mind. I really think you need to evaluate that, as I have never seen such remarkable behavior. Did I personally offend you or something?
[20:36] <jgoo> stdin: I understand it completely
[20:36] <jgoo> and I agree - not suitable in #ubuntu
[20:36] <Myrtti> well, thanks
[20:36] <jgoo> Myrtti, so you were bothered about my level of humor? I don't think it is annoying - why do you?
[20:36] <Myrtti> now we're getting to somewhere
[20:36] <jgoo> thanks? why thanks?
[20:37] <Myrtti> ^
[20:37] <jgoo> No, we are getting nowhere. I am not apologising to you, I knew it was inappropriate at the time, which is why I made a joke aboutit.
[20:37] <jgoo> because the guy was out of line
[20:37] <Myrtti> and the wrongdoings of others justify yours?
[20:37] <ompaul> jgoo, here do me a favour and read those links come back and when you have read them perhaps - it might help you understand something like ehhhhh why you were removed (note being pedantic you were most likely not kicked but removed)
[20:37] <Myrtti> wrong
[20:37] <stdin> so you knew it was wrong, but did it anyway? wow
[20:37] <Myrtti> huh?
[20:38] <stdin> "I knew it was inappropriate at the time, which is why I made a joke aboutit."
[20:38] <jgoo> ompaul, what part of 'I know it is inappropriate and I agree' was confusing?
[20:38] <Myrtti> oh.
[20:38] <Myrtti> right
[20:38] <Myrtti> damned nickcolor.pl
[20:38]  * Myrtti hasn't got her glasses on
[20:39] <ompaul> jgoo, what part of read the document was not clear?
[20:39] <ompaul> jgoo, cos ehh when you say read it I will say read the other one
[20:40] <ompaul> jgoo, you are not doing yourself any favours and we are not doing ourselves any either this is going in circles please read those docs like I asked a while ago
[20:40] <jgoo> ompaul, I am not reading those documents. I am posting this log on the web with my sincere wishes that you all find some happy place after this ASL ordeal.
[20:40] <stdin> jgoo: this channel is already logged
[20:40] <stdin> !logs
[20:40] <ompaul> jgoo, great we have logs
[20:40] <ompaul> dupes are fantastic
[20:41] <jgoo> Wow. This is wonderful.  I have the very strong suspicion that after all this effort you are looking for something to constitute a 'win'.
[20:43] <ompaul> jgoo, my asterisk is done on trixbox ;-)
[20:44] <ompaul> or however its spelt
[20:44] <Myrtti> jgoo: au contraire
[20:44] <jgoo> me? you pulled me on here... and tried to rough me over like some cops from a bad movie.
[20:44] <stdin> jgoo: point in fact, you are already banned, that's how you got here
[20:44] <jgoo> Myrtti, don't try to sound academic. What is your problem? You want me to say sorry or something?
[20:44] <jgoo> ompaul, trixbox is a good distro - but now the site is weird commerical
[20:44]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes, I didn't know it sounded academic or that I tried it
[20:45] <jgoo> I'll probably install it on gobuntu
[20:45]  * Myrtti blinks a bit confused
[20:45]  * ompaul rofl
[20:45] <Myrtti> AAAAAAANYWAYS
[20:46] <jgoo> Myrtti, this was fun, but forgive me if I don't find you that entertaining. You have a problem with people making ASL comments, and people making fun of people making ASL comments. That is your personal demon, and I wish you good luck with it. But I'd like to thank all 3 (or 4?) of you for a really fun time
[20:46] <jgoo> any of you use reddit.com ?
[20:46] <Myrtti> jgoo: you know that asking ASL in #ubuntu is not advicable, right?
[20:46] <stdin> wow, arrogant or what?
[20:46] <jgoo> Just curious, or what if I meet you in RL and you beat me up in an alleyway outside a bar/
[20:46] <jgoo> ? ;-)
[20:46] <Myrtti> jgoo: since it's totally arbitrary and offtopic, right?
[20:47] <Myrtti> jgoo: I'd personally poke you with my pink fluffy pen of poking™
[20:48] <ompaul> ohh no not a pink fluffy pen ....
[20:48] <Myrtti> (this is the part where someone is supposed to say "roight"
[20:48] <Myrtti> )
[20:48] <ompaul> now that is enough comedy game over please read docs or go away
[20:48] <ompaul> roight on queue
[20:49] <ompaul> in a queue that is what it was bumped in a stack
[20:49] <ompaul> ahh well
[20:49]  * Myrtti pokes jgoo
[20:49] <Myrtti> *poit*
[20:49] <jgoo> ?
[20:49] <ompaul> you reading the docs now?
[20:50] <jgoo> Why would I be doing that? Because you will kick me if I don't? You want me to read them and say 'yes I agree' to validate this? You really do feel the need to 'win' something here don't you.
[20:50] <Myrtti> no, not really
[20:51] <Myrtti> jgoo: you earlier said that you made fun of someone asking asl in #ubuntu
[20:51] <jgoo> Is this the charge? ok, go on...
[20:51] <stdin> you're not a "win", you'd be a "ooh, I found a penny" type of thing, when you're already a millionaire
[20:51] <stdin> you thing too much of your self in this situation
[20:51] <ompaul> jgoo, there is no charge, you asked a question, but the motive for why you were ejected
[20:51] <ompaul> and the motive is in those docs
[20:51] <ompaul> so I guess game over good bye
[20:52] <stdin> s/thing/think
[20:52] <jgoo> no, I asked why I was in here, I was not at all bothered about the whole thing, but I've just had 3 people spend 40 minutes trying to get me to admit I was wrong and say sorry about something. That is rather bizarre.
[20:53] <stdin> someone should probably change the forward in #u to a normal ban
[20:54] <ompaul> done
[20:55] <ompaul> catalyse would have helped how - conversations are a two way street and that person was not going to meet us 1/10 of the way imo
[20:56]  * Mez randomly hugs Myrtti and runs off
[20:56] <Myrtti> :-O
[21:07]  * Myrtti sighs
[21:08] <Myrtti> for crying out loud
[21:09]  * Myrtti waits
[21:14] <Myrtti> iz having an intresting conversation with jgoo
[21:14]  * jrib doubts it
[21:18] <Myrtti> ...
[21:18]  * Myrtti rolls her fingers while waiting for answers
[21:22] <pdxBagel> I take off my robe and wizard hat...
[21:23]  * Myrtti rubs her temples
[21:23] <ompaul> bans get lifted very quickly here
[21:23] <pdxBagel> that is my fetish, how did you know?
[21:23] <pdxBagel> Virtual temple rubbing
[21:25] <Myrtti> *sigh
[21:25] <Myrtti> ompaul: please tell me I'm not too old for this junk
[21:25] <Myrtti> "it's just in your head"
[21:25] <ompaul> Myrtti, my dear you are young yet ;-)
[21:26] <ompaul> Myrtti, they are a tad annoying at times
[21:26] <Myrtti> ompaul: please tell me I've not been in IRC too long
[21:26] <ompaul> Myrtti, not possible therefore you have not :)
[21:26] <Myrtti> ok, that clears the issue
[21:26] <Myrtti> thank you
[22:00] <nickrud> just noticed that the floodbots (at least #3) give paste.ubuntu-nl.org as the pastebin
[22:03]  * Myrtti pokes her right eye, gives up and just closes it
[22:20] <Mez> nickrud, If one is different - it's nal's one
[22:20] <Mez> as it doesnt auto-sync the code
[22:21] <nickrud> Mez, so I'll poke nalioth,
[22:49] <Pici> ...
[23:03] <Mez> !upnp
[23:04] <Mez> !upnp is <reply> To stream media to other UPNP aware devices (such as the Xbox, PS3, or iRadio) you need a UPNP server. See !mediatomb for an example
[23:05] <Mez> !mediatomb is <alias> info mediatomb
[23:05] <Mez> :(
[23:05] <Myrtti> !mediatomb is foo
[23:05] <PriceChild> no...
[23:05] <Myrtti> !mediatomb is <alias> info mediatomb
[23:05] <Pici> info and factoids are two different plugins
[23:06] <PriceChild> !info is a different command... it isn't part of encyclopedia.
[23:06] <Pici> you can't alias between them
[23:06] <Myrtti> !forget mediatomb
[23:06] <Mez> !no, mediatomb is a UPNP Server with a webface - see !info mediatomb for info about the ubuntu packae
[23:06] <Mez> !unforget mediatomb
[23:06] <Mez> !no, mediatomb is a UPNP Server with a webface - see !info mediatomb for info about the ubuntu package
[23:06] <PriceChild> what's the point in that factoid? :/
[23:06] <PriceChild> !info mediatomb
[23:06] <Pici> PriceChild: get out of my brain
[23:06] <Pici> thx
[23:07] <PriceChild> Why not put "see !info mediatomb" in the other factoid?
[23:07]  * Mez shrugs
[23:07] <PriceChild> if you think it should be there.
[23:07] <Myrtti> !mediatomb =~ /!info mediatomb/"!info mediatomb"/
[23:07] <Mez> argh
[23:07]  * Myrtti hides
[23:07] <Pici> why not just alias it to upnp?
[23:08] <Pici> then you only need to change the information in one place in the future?
[23:08] <PriceChild> nobody's going to call !mediatomb...
[23:08] <Mez> !upnp is <reply> To stream media to other UPNP aware devices (such as the Xbox, PS3, or iRadio) you need a UPNP server. See !info mediatomb for information regarding the MediaTomb package
[23:08]  * Myrtti pulls her blanket over
[23:08] <PriceChild> people "might" call !upnp
[23:08] <Mez> !no mediatomb is <alias> upnp
[23:08] <Mez> !no, upnp is <reply> To stream media to other UPNP aware devices (such as the Xbox, PS3, or iRadio) you need a UPNP server. See !info mediatomb for information regarding the MediaTomb package
[23:08]  * Pici headdesks
[23:08]  * Mez pokes ubottu
[23:08]  * Mez headdesks too
[23:08]  * nickrud is enjoying the show
[23:08] <Pici> !mediatomb
[23:08] <Pici> !mediatomb
[23:09] <Mez> !upnp
[23:09] <Mez> !test
[23:09] <Pici> !-upnp
[23:09] <Mez> !upnp
[23:09] <Mez> there we go
[23:09]  * Mez sighs
[23:09]  * Mez wont bother in future...
[23:09] <Mez> I now have a headache
[23:10] <nickrud> but then the show won't be as entertaining ;(
[23:10]  * Myrtti pokes her eye again to entertain nickrud
[23:10] <Myrtti> *squeek*
[23:10] <Mez> nickrud, I prefer not to be other people's entertainment.
[23:10] <Mez> except when I'm trying to be.
[23:10]  * Pici wonders what time it is in Myrttiland
[23:10] <Myrtti> Pici: Juhannus
[23:10] <Pici> Myrtti: time
[23:11] <nickrud> Myrtti, that's fun, do it again :)
[23:11] <Pici> Myrtti: like with a clock
[23:11]  * Mez sighs
[23:11] <Mez> * Pici wonders what time it is in Myrttiland <-- /ctcp Myrtti time
[23:11] <Myrtti> Pici: also the time when I've been without my glasses the whole day and my right eye feels like someone tries to pry it out with a frozen spoon
[23:12] <Myrtti> 2008-06-21 01:12:08
[23:12] <Pici> Myrtti: I would imagine that any eye prying would feel painful...
[23:12] <Pici> Earlier than I though...
[23:16] <Myrtti> nini
[23:20] <Mez> !search trol
[23:20] <Mez> !-feedthetroll
[23:21] <Mez> !-feeding the troll
[23:21] <Pici> -don't feed the troll
[23:21] <Pici> !-don't feed the troll
[23:21] <Pici> odd
[23:21] <Pici> oh, I can't read.
 except for the fact that will I ignore him there is other helpful people which join the chat and spends energy providing the same answers
 anyway I apologize for my behavior, I will not repeat it
 indeed. However, if you think the person is a troll, then don't feed it
 You are right. Sorry
[23:28] <nalioth> i don't think tommy_ is a troll, i think he's been traumatized by windows lack of security
[23:29] <Mez> nalioth, nor do I - or he woulda been given a talking to
[23:29] <Mez> but - people can percieve someone as a troll, which is how it seemed that joaopinto was thinking to me
[23:29] <Mez> so, if they percieve as a troll, dont feed
[23:33] <Seeker`> can someone say "called the ops in"
[23:33] <Mez> called the ops in
[23:33] <Seeker`> cool, thanks
[23:34] <Mez> checking your hilights ?
[23:35] <Seeker`> yeah, they weren't working
[23:35] <Seeker`> I think i've fixed them
[23:36] <Mez>  /(^[^ ]+) called the ops in #([^ ]+)ubuntu((-|+)([a-z]+))?
[23:36] <Mez> :D
[23:37] <Seeker`> nothing as fancy as that :P
[23:37] <Seeker`> I screwed something up though
[23:37] <Seeker`> Irssi: critical config_node_get_list: assertion `is_node_list(node)' failed
[23:38] <Mez> Seeker`, if you use irssi, use its hilighting function...
[23:38] <Mez> it has regexps
[23:39]  * Mez wishes xchat did
[23:44] <Seeker`> I'm assuming that that error means I have a mismatched bracket or something
[23:45] <Mez> Seeker`, no idea what that means
[23:45] <Mez> you using regexes?
[23:47] <Seeker`> nope
[23:47] <Seeker`> I get that error when i do "/reload"
[23:51] <nalioth> Seeker`: want to paste me what you've got?
[23:56] <Daviey> Seeker`: why not just /hilight !ops .. it's rarely used elsewhere..
[23:56] <tomaw> It's used everywhere
[23:56] <tomaw> Trust me, as someone that has it on hilight.
[23:56] <Gary> and me