[00:16] <ooki2day> szal: here?
[00:23] <szal> ooki2day: another thing (for you to pastebin, that is) -> dpkg -l '*nvidia*'
[00:23] <ooki2day> http://paste.ubuntu.com/606675/
[00:24] <szal> huh?  do you have both nvidia-current and nvidia-173 installed?
[00:25] <ooki2day> installed both? but use one-current
[00:25] <szal> that's most probably the problem then -> uninstall all things nvidia-173
[00:26] <szal> the 173 is for GeForce FX series only
[00:26] <lucas-arg> hey all... any one with flash problems in rekonq?
[00:26] <szal> !anyone
[00:26] <lucas-arg> cant see the videos, i hear sound but no video
[00:27] <ooki2day> then restart computer or X server?
[00:27] <szal> ooki2day: run 'nvidia-xconfig', then reboot
[00:27] <lucas-arg> ok ill try it
[00:28] <szal> lucas-arg: you'll try what?
[00:29] <vorian> haha, that's sadly funny
[00:31] <lucas-arg> ok i did nvidia-xconfig and rebooted, and nothing happend still cant see youtube videos on rekonq
[00:32] <szal> lucas-arg: since when is your nick 'ooki2day'?
[00:32] <ooki2day> ooki2day its me)
[00:32] <lucas-arg> im lucas...
[00:33] <lucas-arg> im not oosomthing
[00:33] <lucas-arg> so reqonk doesnt work...
[00:33] <vorian> lucas-arg: he's saying you followed directions he was giving to ooki2day
[00:33] <lucas-arg> lol
[00:33] <lucas-arg> ok
[00:33] <lucas-arg> so flash doesnt work on rekonq
[00:44] <ooki2day> I uninstalled 173 driver, but can't enable effects again
[00:52] <ooki2day> szal: for desktop effects, I need install compiz?
[00:52] <szal> ooki2day: hell no
[00:52] <szal> Compiz is a totally different pair of shoes & has nothing to do w/ KDE or its effects
[00:53] <szal> the only guess left is that there's still problems w/ the 8800, which was known to be a b*tch when it first came out
[00:54] <szal> s/when/after/
[01:24] <ooki2day_> szal: ping
[01:25] <szal> what's the matter?
[01:26] <ooki2day_> i can enable effects, but with XRender
[01:31] <wafa> hi
[01:33] <wafa> i am in trouble, i tried to remove some files in order to free more space but i did a big mistake
[01:33] <wafa> some files were removed from my ubuntu 10.10
[01:36] <wafa> now i lost the graphic interface of ubuntu 10.10
[01:37] <wafa> can any one help me?
[01:51] <miinsik> After installing kubuntu 11.04 using wubi under windows xp, the bootloader doesn't show the option for 'KUBUNTU'...
[02:09] <gennro> Hello
[02:11] <gennro> So how is everyone?
[02:11] <semistud2354>  can anyone tell me why my programs are turning black when thy are maximized?
[02:11] <semistud2354>  i dont know if its my nvidia card or something else?
[02:13] <mase_wk> semistud2354: is it a new problem ? if so it's likely to be a driver issue
[02:13] <semistud2354> i cant remember when it started
[02:13] <mase_wk> are you using the nouveau drivers or the binary nvidia drivers ?
[02:13] <semistud2354> the drivers that kubuntu told me to install
[02:14] <semistud2354> in the drivers detection program
[02:14] <semistud2354> so i guess their the nvidia one
[02:14] <mase_wk> told you or offered you the option
[02:14] <mase_wk> right yeh it didn't tell you to install them
[02:14] <mase_wk> it gave you the option
[02:14] <mase_wk> and those are the binary nvidia drivers
[02:15] <semistud2354> if i minimize it it works
[02:15] <semistud2354> i dont understand
[02:15] <mase_wk> so you can either try the nouveau drivers or contact nvidia
[02:15] <mase_wk> and see how to file  a bug there
[02:16] <semistud2354> can i still have desktop effects if i use the nouveau drivers
[02:16] <gennro> if you haven't MAKE SURE the nouveau drivers are not installed
[02:16] <gennro> if you have the binary nvidia drivers installed
[02:16] <gennro> because the installer will not remove the nouveau drivers
[02:16] <mase_wk> gennro: why would that make a difference, afaik nvidia ship their own glx stack , mesa replacement etc..
[02:17] <mase_wk> the nvidia driver would not link to any of those
[02:17] <gennro> yes it does
[02:17] <gennro> verified it on several ocasions now
[02:17] <mase_wk> so how did you veryfy this ?
[02:17] <semistud2354> could it be a setting in desktop effects in KDE?
[02:17] <mase_wk> semistud2354: no
[02:18] <semistud2354> i have a feeling its a dumb thing like that
[02:18] <mase_wk> it's not
[02:18] <semistud2354> damn
[02:18] <semistud2354> so i cant do much besides file a bug report
[02:18] <gennro> trust me.......... the nouavou driver is junk and will cause problems
[02:19] <mase_wk> gennro: that's not correct at all.  I use them on a few of my boxes
[02:19] <gennro> oh and the meta package for the nvidia 185 driver is bad also
[02:19] <mase_wk> you won't win any speed awards
[02:19] <mase_wk> but for regular desktop use, if you have a supported card they are really quite good
[02:20] <semistud2354> omg
[02:20] <semistud2354> i just rebooted X server and now it works
[02:20] <semistud2354> wtf
[02:21] <gennro> it happens
[02:22] <semistud2354> geez i wonder whats making it do that
[02:22] <semistud2354> its not on all programs
[02:22] <semistud2354> and it only happens here and there
[02:22] <mase_wk> gennro: i am curious how you worked out that the nvidia driver was linking against the nouveau driver ?
[02:22] <semistud2354> o...curious
[02:22] <semistud2354> could it be that i'm still on the beta kubuntu
[02:23] <semistud2354> what happend was i doewnloaded the beta and just did all the updates till now
[02:23] <James147> semistud2354: have you updated your system since release?
[02:23] <semistud2354> yeah
[02:23] <James147> semistud2354: if you have all the updates then you ahve the final version effectivly
[02:23] <semistud2354> like the sudo apt-get update
[02:23] <gennro> go to the KPackageKit and remove"xserver-xorg-video-nouneau"
[02:23] <gennro> will fix your issue
[02:23] <James147> semistud2354: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ^^
[02:24] <gennro> had the same issues after installing the binary nvidia drivers........ removed the nouvaeu driver and all fixed
[02:25] <James147> gennro: how are you so sure? I have never ever seen the open drivers interfer with then closed ones and remvoing them will likly just mean he loses the fallback option
[02:25] <semistud2354> nothings poping up for xserver-xorg-video-nounea
[02:25] <gennro> for some reason xorg likes to load the nouvaeu driver over the nvidia one for no reason also
[02:25] <semistud2354>  or just nouneau
[02:26] <gennro> if the nouvaeu driver is loaded into the kernel at the same time the nvidia one is it will cause issues
[02:26] <semistud2354> how can i find out?
[02:26] <semistud2354> is there an ls command i can imput
[02:26] <semistud2354> input*
[02:27] <James147> semistud2354: lsmod
[02:27] <gennro> the REASON why NVIDIA will blacklist the nouvaeu driver if you install the nvidia driver manually via the package from nvidia's website
[02:28] <gennro> and if you are worried about a fallback the VESA driver is installed and works fine for times when the nvidia drivers fail
[02:28] <semistud2354> im assuming that i look for nouneau after i type lsmod
[02:29] <gennro> it is spelled nouveau.... the reason you can't find it
[02:29] <semistud2354> yea nouveau isn't in my lsmod
[02:29] <semistud2354> is that a bad thing?
[02:30] <James147> semistud2354: it means your not using the open drivers so they shouldnot be conflicting
[02:30] <James147> semistud2354: you should have nvidia instead listed
[02:30] <gennro> just do "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveu" without the quoates into the terminal
[02:31]  * James147 doupts that will do much ^^
[02:31] <mase_wk> i don't think it will either
[02:31] <semistud2354> Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video-nouveu
[02:31] <gennro> "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau"
[02:31] <semistud2354> thats what poped up
[02:31] <gennro> forgot the A sorry
[02:32] <James147> ^^ if anything it stop you from falling back to the open drivers should the nvidia ones fail (ie when upgrading to a new version of kubuntu)
[02:32] <gennro> then after that reboot the computer
[02:32] <gennro> and it shouldn't happen anymore
[02:32] <semistud2354> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:32] <semistud2354>   xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[02:32] <semistud2354> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:32] <semistud2354> After this operation, 356 kB disk space will be freed.
[02:32] <semistud2354> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[02:33] <FloodBotK1> semistud2354: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:33] <gennro> hit Y
[02:33] <semistud2354> what should i say?
[02:33] <gennro> Y
[02:33] <semistud2354>  xserver-xorg-video-all <<isnt that important?
[02:33] <gennro> no its not
[02:33] <gennro> just a meta package
[02:34] <semistud2354> whats a meta package?
[02:34] <gennro> just a file that tells what other files to be installed without you having to install all of those files yourself
[02:34] <semistud2354> should i do the update thing
[02:34] <gennro> makes your life easier
[02:34] <semistud2354> ahh i see
[02:35] <semistud2354> update && dist up grade thing
[02:35] <semistud2354> should i do that now
[02:35] <gennro> so if you remove the meta package it doesn't remove anything but the meta package
[02:35] <gennro> yeah you can't
[02:35] <gennro> you can I mean
[02:35] <gennro> will just update the package lists and check your system for any updates and insta;; them if you wish
[02:36] <semistud2354> ok now what?
[02:36] <gennro> "sudo apt-get update && dist-upgrade"
[02:36] <semistud2354> did that
[02:37] <gennro> anything to update?
[02:37] <gennro> oh duh do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:37] <gennro> prolly should be some things that need updated also
[02:38] <semistud2354> nothing to update
[02:38] <semistud2354> is that bad?
[02:38] <semistud2354> should it update or something?
[02:38] <gennro> nah.... just means no updates
[02:38] <gennro> now just reboot your computer and you should be good to go
[02:38] <semistud2354> ok...here goes...brb
[02:40] <gennro> Linux gennro-G50VT 2.6.38-5.dmz.2-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Sat May 7 01:31:23 CDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:40] <melodie> Anyone know how to download Itunes for Kubuntu, I've looked on the forums and can't find anything
[02:41] <James147> melodie: there is no linux version of itunes
[02:41] <gennro> I don't think Itunes works in linux
[02:41] <gennro> DRM
[02:41] <James147> though amarok can sync with `some` apple products
[02:42] <James147> gennro: dont think it has anything to do with drm...
[02:42] <gennro> has a lot to do with it
[02:42] <melodie> >.< so I have to go on virtual machine for that then? I have another program called gtkpod...that dosent work though? So should I just try Amarok then... It is a Ipod nano 4th generation
[02:43] <James147> gennro: considering they dont drm their music anymore I doupt it
[02:43] <James147> melodie: try amarok, see if it can
[02:44] <semistud2354> ok
[02:44] <semistud2354>  back
[02:44] <semistud2354> nothing seemes messed up
[02:44] <semistud2354> so what do i do now
[02:45] <melodie> james147: just out of curiosty do you know why they took drm off..i thought it protected there files if that is what you were talking about??
[02:45] <gennro> and if anyone whats to know the Liquorix kernel works fine in buntu 11.04
[02:45] <gennro> so no issues semistud2354?
[02:45] <semistud2354> nope
[02:45] <gennro> cool
[02:45] <semistud2354> not as of yet
[02:45] <gennro> well there ya go
[02:45] <semistud2354> let me try something that used to give me black screens
[02:46] <semistud2354> opening like 12 documents in ocular
[02:46] <melodie> James147: just out of curiosty do you know why they took drm off..i thought it protected there files if that is what you were talking about??
[02:47] <semistud2354> yeah if i still open like 12 documents in ocular it still does it
[02:47] <James147> melodie: due to overwhelmingly popular demand... since it stoped used from using th files on more then a few devices
[02:47] <gennro> well it would of been nice if you would of informed us of that
[02:48] <James147> stoped users ^^
[02:48] <gennro> thats prolly just a bug in ocular
[02:48] <semistud2354> o
[02:48] <semistud2354> well i have another question...if you dont mind?
[02:49] <James147> semistud2354: if it didnt work then i suggest installing xserver-xorg-video-all again (might help to avoid problems in the furture)
[02:50] <melodie> James147: I don't think it was very smart doing that..oh wel, I'm not running the company, thanks James. You have satisfied my curiousity.
[02:50] <semistud2354> when i first installed kubuntu it took like...10 sec to boot...after i installed the broadcom driver it now takes like 60 secs
[02:51] <James147> melodie: no one likes drm stuff... so its better for the people... and if they only offer drm stuff then allot of people just wont buy from them
[02:51] <mase_wk> drm is a flawed concept
[02:51]  * James147 agrees with mase_wk
[02:51] <gennro> most people don't even know what the DRM is
[02:52] <James147> ^^ people tend to `steal` stuff more out of it being easier then actually buying the stuff in the first place.... though this is really a topic for off topic
[02:53] <mase_wk> yeh i completely agree, most people just want the quickest , easiest way to do something
[02:53] <melodie> James147: In my mind wouldn't it just lead to more copies of music being illigally distibuted and copied?? Then given away for free??
[02:53] <melodie> Maybe I just don't understand drm fully I guess
[02:54] <James147> melodie: join #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:54] <wss> :)hello
[02:56] <melodie> Now that Amarok is up, I can see the ipod and the tracks on the ipod, but how to I get the music on it... ( feel sort of stupid asking )
[03:02] <ssfdre38> ??
[03:46] <qboster> hi all, how can I find the kubuntu changes with upstream?
[04:20] <valorie> qboster: did you see the link in the /subject line?
[04:20] <valorie> kubuntu stays as current as possible
[04:23] <qboster> valorie, sorry, and how can I get my answer?
[04:29] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release
[04:29] <valorie> and there will be a notice there about 4.6.3 as well
[04:29] <valorie> but say more about what information you need
[04:30] <valorie> as new KDE packages are released, our packagers pack them up
[04:30] <valorie> when there is a new KDE release, that is out for the user usually within a day
[04:31] <valorie> if you want more specific information, you might drop into #kubuntu-devel
[04:31] <valorie> although many of our team are at UDS right now
[04:31] <valorie> or read the kubuntu-devel mail list
[04:32] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[04:32] <qboster> valorie, OK, thanks, and if I want to know how the packager to branding upstream kde, I may go to kubuntu-devel, right ?
[04:33] <valorie> yes, that's an open channel for devel questions and participation
[04:33] <valorie> we're always looking for more packagers
[04:33] <valorie> :-)
[04:34] <qboster> valorie, aha, it sounds good
[04:38] <dan__> Is that pretty hard to do?
[04:39] <dan_l> I don't really have the skillz to contribute.  Because I'm computer fail.
[04:40] <valorie> the packaging is too complex for ME
[04:40] <valorie> but contributions can come from people with all kinds of strengths
[04:41] <valorie> we need translators, documentation writers, web developers, artists, enthusiastic people, wonderful folks like the experts who hang out here to help people
[04:41] <valorie> and on and on
[04:42] <dan_l> heh.  I don't know what of that I could do :)
[04:42] <valorie> sometimes I see absolute beginners helping other beginners here
[04:43] <valorie> it's awesome
[04:43] <dan_l> Well I try to do that.  But that's only rudimentary help.
[04:43] <dan_l> answer a .....'how do I?"
[04:43] <dan_l> I occasionally smugly tell somebody to avoid using badbuntu.
[04:44] <valorie> badbuntu?
[04:45] <dan_l> My pet name for ubuntu:)
[04:45] <dan_l> I'm a total ktard.
[04:45] <dan_l> I have an admittedly irrational love for it.
[04:46] <valorie> well, my favorite is kubuntu
[04:46] <valorie> but we're all in this together
[04:46] <gennro> yup
[04:46] <valorie> Canonical provides support and the basis for kubuntu as well as ubuntu
[04:47]  * mase_wk sighs
[04:47] <valorie> and that extends outward -- we're all in the cause of free and open source
[04:48] <gennro> except fro my nvidia drivers
[04:48] <gennro> for
[04:48] <valorie> our LoCo had a table at LinuxFest Northwest 2 weekends ago
[04:48] <valorie> we presented the newest Ubuntu/Unity as well as Kubuntu
[04:48] <valorie> since I was there
[04:48] <valorie> :-)
[04:49] <valorie> gave away a bunch of CDs I burned for people, as well as a large stack of Kub. stickers
[04:49] <gennro> cool
[04:50] <gennro> so I found out today that the Liquorix kernel works well with Kubuntu and is well worth it
[04:51] <valorie> I've heard another mention of that today
[04:51] <valorie> what is it?
[04:52] <gennro> is a kernel setup for desktop performance
[04:52] <gennro> really made for debian but works fine in ubuntu
[04:52] <valorie> aren't all kernels used "setup for desktop performance"?
[04:52] <gennro> not all
[04:53] <gennro> ost are geared for server
[04:53] <valorie> sure, but we use a different kernel
[04:53] <valorie> for desktop
[04:53] <gennro> generic?
[04:53] <gennro> thats like great value at walmart
[04:53] <gennro> bleh
[04:54] <valorie> I really shouldn't talk about this, since I know so little
[04:56] <gennro> so valorie what do you do for Kubuntu?
[04:58] <valorie> good question
[04:58] <valorie> I test a lot of stuff
[04:58] <valorie> blog and such
[04:59] <valorie> and am working towards contributing to documentation
[04:59] <gennro> cool
[04:59] <dan_l> We need more of it:)
[04:59] <dan_l> So get right on that.
[04:59] <valorie> plus community outreach, I guess
[05:00] <giantpune> hi boys.  im wanting to try out kubuntu for the first time.  im having a bit of trouble finding a torrent download for the latest AMD64 LTS.  can somebody point me in the right direction?
[05:01] <dan_l> giantpune:  http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/natty/release/dvd/kubuntu-11.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:01] <dan_l> ?
[05:01] <giantpune> 11.04 is not LTS
[05:01] <dan_l> Oh.  I fail at failing.
[05:01] <gennro> 10.04 is a LTS release
[05:01] <gennro> its every other release
[05:02] <valorie> there is a torrent for 10.04 as well
[05:02] <valorie> I'm serving it
[05:02] <valorie> or whatever you call it
[05:02] <dan_l> Seeding!
[05:02] <valorie> yep
[05:02] <dan_l> What kind of pirate arrrrrrrrrrrr you?
[05:02] <valorie> not much!
[05:02] <valorie> lol
[05:03] <giantpune> woot   http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/
[05:03] <dan_l> Valorie:  I became quite fond of the notifications in 10.04, 10.10.
[05:04] <valorie> they've only gotten better
[05:04] <valorie> :-)
[05:04] <dan_l> Yeah I don't know.  It seems like my notifications are distributed now.
[05:04] <gennro> 11.04 is the best and most stable I have used so far
[05:05] <dan_l> like the kopete notifications aren't coming from the same place as the other notifications
[05:05] <giantpune> has qt 4.7.2 made it into any of the repos yet?  or are all of kubuntu versions still using 4.6.x?
[05:06] <dan_l> since i upgraded, the good previous from my desktop fence have come back.  That's awesome.
[05:07] <valorie> not sure about the qt versions
[05:08] <gennro> I think I have seen some 4.7.2 in the upstream.... but not much..... running 4.6.3 KDE from the kubuntu ppa
[05:08] <giantpune> im still on ubuntu 10.04 and having to build 4.7.X from source.  theres only 4.6.X in the repos here
[05:09] <gennro> but that is a few QT libs and that is it
[05:09] <valorie> looks like I have 4.7.2 on my system
[05:09] <giantpune> i built gentoo this week and setup arch and they both have 4.7.2 available.
[05:09] <valorie> with KDE 4.6.3
[05:09] <giantpune> valorie, which kubuntu are you using?
[05:09] <valorie> 11.04
[05:10]  * giantpune grabs a torrent for that one as well
[05:10] <gennro> 11.04 works fine with some tweaking and you enable all of the pre-release updates
[05:12] <valorie> I just did an upgrade, and most everything worked well
[05:12] <valorie> however, I still can't get my headphone jack to work
[05:12] <valorie> dunno what is going on there
[05:12] <gennro> asus?
[05:12] <valorie> no idea
[05:13] <valorie> it's an HP laptop, and it's worked up until now
[05:13] <valorie> so I'm fairly sure it has to do with the upgrade
[05:13] <valorie> not the KDE version
[05:13] <gennro> I know there is a fix for that.... its a pulse audio issue
[05:13] <gennro> just can't remember where I saw it
[05:13] <valorie> well, I just installed all the pa gtk control stuff
[05:14] <valorie> everything is turned on
[05:14] <valorie> I might need to visit #pulseaudio and bug colin
[05:15] <dan_l> Valorie:  is it a switched jack?
[05:15] <dan_l> there's a word for it
[05:15] <dan_l> and I forget what it is.
[05:16] <valorie> I haven't a clue
[05:16] <dan_l> I have a compaq lappy.  the jack has the mechanism to detect when headphones have been  plugged in.
[05:16] <valorie> it used to work, now it doesn't
[05:17] <dan_l> If I were to ever go back to windoze 7, it would detect the presence of the headphones.
[05:18] <dan_l> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1734730 <-----there's 1000 different solutions there.  One will work, I promise:)
[05:18] <valorie> well, if I went back to 10.10, it would too
[05:18] <valorie> no magic about windoz
[05:18] <valorie> rofl
[05:18] <valorie> thanks for googling for me!
[05:20] <dan_l> I wasn't trying to be a jerk!
[05:20] <dan_l> wait
[05:20] <dan_l> that was the wrong post
[05:20] <pune> does anybody here used the kubuntu intstaller to create partitions and put /home on a seperate partition?  i tried this several times in the past and the installer always choked on it.  im wondering if it has been fixed since then
[05:20] <dan_l> hang on
[05:20] <valorie> no, I was sincerely thanking you
[05:20] <dan_l> I had one from a like a year ago which is what I used to trouble shoot mine.
[05:20] <dan_l> Oh.  K.  srry.
[05:21] <valorie> I hadn't had time to google, file a bug, or visit a channel
[05:21] <valorie> UDS remotely has been a challenge
[05:21] <valorie> I had to run through one of those checklists long ago for some sound problem
[05:22] <valorie> can't remember what exactly, any more
[05:23] <dan_l> Ya know, that's kind of the embarassing thing when I get people to try the kubuntu.
[05:23] <valorie> eh
[05:23] <valorie> I'll find the solution eventually
[05:24] <valorie> and that will make my husband happy
[05:24] <dan_l> Like, they'll install it and be like "this is fun, and pretty, and what's that?  Not nearly as much malware----GREAT.  But ummm why doesn't my sound work?"
[05:24] <valorie> lol
[05:24] <valorie> sound almost always works without a hit
[05:24] <valorie> hitch
[05:24] <valorie> and I help test new phonon and backends
[05:24] <valorie> etc.
[05:25] <dan_l> See, I've never done a fresh install without having to spend 3 days screwing with the audio.
[05:26] <dan_l> Hell, I guarantee since I upgraded there will be some quirk that will come up in a week that I'll spend a day trying to fix.
[05:32] <pune> anybody know of a realistic guess as to how much space a boot partition should be?  im using whatever grub comes with kubuntu.  50MB?  100MB?
[05:34] <gennro> i set mine for 200
[05:35] <gennro> if u don'
[05:35] <gennro> if you don't mess much with the kernel then set it for 100
[05:36] <pune> ther will be no multibooting and the only time i mess with the kernel here is when it gets updated through the repos
[05:37] <gennro> 100 is fine then
[05:39] <pune> and what about swap?  if i have 2GB or GB of RAM, is swap even needed these days?  or is that just a thing of the past?
[05:39] <pune> or more^
[05:52] <bigbrovar> pune: yep swap is still needed if not for anything for legacy purpose
[05:52] <bigbrovar> I know for a fact that some systems will not hibernate without swap being on.
[05:53] <pune> oops.  too late.  im only setting this up in a VM right now, but ill keep it in mind when i go to install it for real
[05:53] <bigbrovar> I have 4gb of ram but set my swap to 2048mb
[05:53] <bigbrovar> with things like swap, its better to have them and not need them, than to need them and not have them :)
[05:54] <pune> better to not need to have them
[05:54] <gennro> yeah for like processes to leak over into
[06:03] <gennro> HALP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:06] <valorie> !help | gennro
[06:07] <gennro> !help | gennro
[06:07] <gennro> silly bot
[06:08] <gennro> tricks are for kids
[06:08] <valorie> lol
[06:08] <gennro> its cracks me up
[06:09] <gennro> specially people that come in here
[06:09] <milano30man> current drivers for a HP Color Laserjet 3550 printer are not working for Kubuntu 11.04. The HP site only lists 10.10 drivers. When will a driver update be available for 11.04?
[06:09] <valorie> have you tried jockey-kde ?
[06:09] <gennro> thats all on HP bud
[06:10] <valorie> I wouldn't worry about what is on their site
[06:10] <milano30man> I looked. This new release is not listed on the HP site yet.
[06:10] <valorie> I haven't had to build anything from a site for.... too many years to remember
[06:11] <milano30man> Before I updated from 10.10 the printer worked fine...when i udated to 11.04 I now have errors when I try to print
[06:11] <pune> i see dolphin has a lot of different settings and stuff to play with.  but i dont see that it has a quick setting that mimics nautilus' and windows' compact view.  what im shooting for is the on the left side of this image.  does anybody know if there is a simple setting im missing?    http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/875/dolphin.png
[06:12] <gennro> no idea pune
[06:13] <gennro> milano30man: I guess you will need to wait for HP to release updated drivers
[06:13] <mase_wk> pune: if nautilus works for you , you could just use nautilus
[06:13] <gennro> or go back to 10.10
[06:13] <milano30man> ok
[06:13] <milano30man> logging off is also a problem... the only way I can do it without freezing up the desktop is to select restart.
[06:14] <milano30man> log off or shutdown does not work correctly....has anyone noticed this in 11.04?
[06:14] <gennro> nope
[06:14] <pune> i cold mase_wk.  but if possible, i would like to use the default programs and just configure them a bit
[06:15] <mase_wk>  pune so if you put it into details mode
[06:15] <mase_wk> and deselect the size and date
[06:15] <mase_wk> does that do what you want ?
[06:15] <milano30man> well looks like I will go back to 10.10 until this release is a bit more mature.
[06:16] <mase_wk> and remove the information view on the right
[06:17] <mase_wk> pune: then i guess you could choose text only for the icons
[06:17] <pune> it would mase_wk if it filled up the scroll area to the right instead of down.  i would rather have 2 or 3 columns on the screen at once instead of 1 column and a bunch of empty space
[06:19] <pune> thats really what im looking for here is the layout that puts the most icons in view at once
[06:19] <mase_wk> set it to icon mode
[06:19] <mase_wk> and go to preferences and set the arrangement to columns
[06:20] <mase_wk> grid spacing to none
[06:20] <mase_wk> yup that works :)
[06:20] <mase_wk> this is actually quite good, i think i'll keep this view
[06:20] <pune> ahh.  and also turn off the preview mode.  that kept it from shrinking the icons
[06:20] <pune> thanks. :)
[06:21] <mase_wk> np
[06:21] <pune> ( and that was easier than installing and setting up nautilus)
[06:21] <mase_wk> can change the text width to small as well
[06:24] <ubuntu> Hi !
[06:27] <Evoli> I'd like to install DFSee, but I don't know how to install it on Linux...
[06:29] <Evoli> Can anyone help me, please ?
[06:30] <valorie> evoli, is it in kpackagekit?
[06:30] <Evoli> I just downloaded a .zip file...
[06:30] <valorie> that's not a good idea
[06:30] <mase_wk> Evoli: generally not how it's done in the linux world
[06:30] <valorie> much better to be install the packages
[06:31] <valorie> -be
[06:31] <mase_wk> Evoli: generally you want to get all of your packages from the repositories, using something like Kpackagekit or apt
[06:31] <shinkamui> anyone know how to execute an app when lxdm starts?
[06:31] <mase_wk> Evoli: otherwise you could be downloading malicious software or absolutely anything
[06:32] <Evoli> I see...
[06:32] <DarthFrog> Evoli: Use the "unzip" utility to extract from the zip file.  Then read the instructions that should be there.
[06:33] <DarthFrog> Evoli: Might I ask what you want to do with DFSee?  Might gparted or partitionmanager do what you want?
[06:33] <Evoli> I have some problems with my harddrive
[06:34] <Evoli> Some files are corrupted... I think I'd better change my harddrive, but I'd like to try anything I could to save it
[06:34] <Evoli> And I can't start Windows anymore
[06:34] <mase_wk> Evoli: first use dd or partedmagic something like that to clone the disk
[06:35] <mase_wk> that way you don't risk losing any more data
[06:35] <DarthFrog> If you think your hard drive is failing, then replace it before it's totally useless.  You can use dd to make an image of the filesystem for file recovery.
[06:35] <valorie> evoli, according to the DFSee website, you don't need to install it
[06:35] <valorie> you can use it from a USB key
[06:35] <valorie> http://www.dfsee.com/
[06:36] <pune> valorie, you are using the latest and greatest kubuntu.  can you tell me if the default console has support for closable tabs?  there was (finally) a patch that added support for closable tabs into Qt in 4.7.2ish.  but i assume the application would also have to support it
[06:36] <mase_wk> that is one ugly website
[06:36] <mase_wk> pune: what is a closable tab ?
[06:36] <Evoli> How can I download or install dd ?
[06:36] <valorie> closeable tabs?
[06:36] <DarthFrog> pune: Konsole has tabs and they can be opened and closed at will.
[06:36] <valorie> dd is basic
[06:36] <DarthFrog> Evoli: It's already installed.
[06:36] <valorie> you have it
[06:36] <pune> like in firefox, you can click a little X on a tab inside the tab bar to close that tab
[06:37] <valorie> oh
[06:37] <mase_wk> pune: you can do that in konsole, but there is a single X
[06:37] <valorie> close tab is control+shift+W
[06:37] <mase_wk> below the scrollbar
[06:37] <DarthFrog> pune: The X isn't inside the tab but it's there, at the far right.
[06:37] <pune> Qt has had support for tabs and tab bars for a while, but never added the little X onto the tab to close them untill 4.7.2
[06:37] <Evoli> How do I launch dd ?
[06:38] <pune> DarthFrog, which Qt/konsole are you using?
[06:38] <valorie> easier to launch and close tabs from the keyboard
[06:38] <valorie> evoli, you might want to look at dd --help
[06:38] <valorie> or man dd
[06:38] <DarthFrog> Evoli: dd is a command line utiliy.  Open a console and type "man dd" to get usage instructions.  Not for newbies.
[06:38] <DarthFrog> pune: Konsole and yakuake.
[06:38] <DarthFrog> Yakuake mostly.
[06:39] <Evoli> Thanks for your help ^^
[06:39] <pune> i meant which version
[06:41] <DarthFrog> pune: Whatever comes with Natty.
[06:41] <DarthFrog> 4.6.2
[07:18] <omid_> hi.i had installed kubuntu using wubi.and accidentaly formatted the partition which contained kubuntu installition.now i want to remove it from windows boot loader and i dont want a kubuntu option to show up.(i also have openSUSE installed but it is a full instalition and has its grub bootloader)
[07:23] <valorie> !wubi
[07:23] <valorie> omid_: I don't know how to help, but hope the above is useful to you'
[08:16] <giantpune> hi guys, im back.  i have some odd issue going on with the freshly installed kubuntu 10.04.  every time i restart it, it has reset the screen resolution to 800x600 or something small.  i have to enter the settings and adjust it at each boot.  has anybody else had this issue?
[08:51] <Who> i am facing a weird issue, i am getting sound in MP3,notifications, videos but not in flash
[08:51] <Who>  i even reinstalled flash and changed few settings but still it hasn't fixed the issue :(
[09:17] <keithzg> Do you have more than one potential sound card? I've heard of a lot of strange issues with this latest release's PulseAudio device selection combined with flash.
[09:18] <Who> keithzg: well, cat /proc/asound/modules shows
[09:18] <Who>  0 snd_hda_intel
[09:18] <Who>  1 snd_hda_intel
[09:21] <keithzg> what about /proc/asound/cards ? I must admit, though, although I've heard of such problems often I'm unaware of a universal solution.
[09:22] <Who> 0 [Generic        ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
[09:22] <Who>                       HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0244000 irq 42
[09:22] <Who>  1 [SB             ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[09:22] <Who>                       HDA ATI SB at 0xf0240000 irq 16
[09:22] <FloodBotK1> Who: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:23] <Who> keithzg:  well i can see the problem here, maybe its using the generic one
[09:24] <Who> i want it to use ATI SB instead
[09:24] <keithzg> What browser are you using for flash here?
[09:25] <Who> firefox
[09:25] <keithzg> Hmm. Make sure the firefox-3.5-branding package isn't installed.
[09:25] <Who> though i even checked it in rekonq yesterday and it had the same problem
[09:26] <szal> Who: tried to play something in Flash & locate the playback stream in the mixer to put it on the other sound device?
[09:26] <keithzg> Ah. Well. Short of fiddling with padevchooser, then, I'm outta ideas.
[09:30] <Who> hmm
[09:30] <Who> it was working before, not sure what i messed up though
[11:23] <ehsan> kwin freaze when i resize windows. i use oxygen trancparent and kubuntu 11.04
[11:23] <ehsan> but in compiz work fine
[11:31] <nicolas_> Hi everyone
[11:32] <nicolas_> does anyone know if it's possible to display your screen instead of webcam in Kopete?
[11:37] <ehsan> kwin freaze when i resize windows. i use oxygen trancparent and kubuntu 11.04
[11:37] <ehsan> but in compiz work fine
[11:42] <giantpune> hey again.  does anybody know a workaround or fix for the authentication window popping up behind KPackageKit?  i see some old bug reports of it on the google machine, but never any thing to solve it
[11:46] <dnivra> hello. I'm fairly new to Kubuntu-have used ubuntu before. I went to the network applet and added the DSL connection I want to connect to just like in Ubuntu. How do I connect to it? Ubuntu listed available connections but not so in Kubuntu. I could find no help using google-most returned "Connecting to internet in Ubuntu and Kubuntu is same". I guess I'm missing something here.
[11:50] <m477> how restert X server?
[11:53] <ehsan> use gmome network manager or pppoeconf
[11:53] <ehsan> i use pppoeconf
[11:53] <dnivra> m477: try "sudo service x11-common restart". might work.
[11:54] <dnivra> ehsan: pppoeconf failed to detect any ppp connection; i tried that :).
[11:55] <ehsan> use sudo before pppoeconf
[11:55] <ehsan> or sudo pon dsl-provider
[11:55] <dnivra> "Access concentrator failed to find any" etc etc etc. that's the error message.
[11:57] <dnivra> ehsan: the gnome network manager isn't installed by default is it?
[11:57] <dnivra> in kubuntu that is. and I need to connect to internet to download-which is precisely what I need to do :)
[11:57] <ehsan> no install from synaptic or etc
[11:58] <ehsan> and run it
[11:58] <ehsan> nm-applet
[11:58] <dnivra> ehsan: to install from synaptic, i need to be connected to internet and to connect to internet, i need gnome network manager. paradox :)
[11:59] <ehsan> kubuntu dvd
[12:00] <dnivra> ehsan: the iso has the package?
[12:00] <dnivra> gotta check that out hope it's there.
[12:00] <ehsan> i think yes
[12:27] <dnivra> i guess he's not around. could someone help me with connecting to a DSL connection in kubuntu? i thought it was the same as in ubuntu but am missing something. and pppoeconf doesn't work-already tried that. "Access concentrator failed to " etc goes the error message in that case.
[12:28] <dnivra> ehsan asked me to install gnome network manager from disc-but am not able to create a startup disk with my USB; there's some problem with it. any help would be appreciated.
[12:44] <dnivra> I have a live USB of kubuntu 11.10 and would like to install network-manager-gnome from it. I do not have an internet connection. could someone tell me how to do it?
[12:52] <dnivra> has anyone connected to internet in Kubuntu by a method other than pppoeconf?
[12:54] <giantpune> rae you saying that you are at a computer now and wanting to install a network manager but there is no internet service at all for that compuer?
[12:56] <dnivra> giantpune: i am using another computer. I can connect using means such as using a mobile phone, plug in internet but not DSL.
[12:57] <dnivra> giantpune: I have an internet service at home-i've used it before with ubuntu but not with kubuntu; i'm fairly new to kde as well.
[12:57] <dnivra> i thought it was fairly the similar procedure; that is what even the internet says. but it doesn't seem to work.
[12:57] <dnivra> and neither does pppoeconf.
[12:58] <giantpune> you can grab the .debs from the computer you are at, slap them an a SD card, and put that SD card in your other PC and install them
[12:58] <dnivra> that is a solution i agree. but why is it that I cannot connect using KDE?
[12:59] <dnivra> thing is I do not know my way around KDE like gnome. That is why the question "How to connect using KDE and not command line?"
[13:01] <giantpune> i honestly have no clue.  ive only been using kde myself for a few hours
[13:02] <dnivra> and you're connected to internet in KDE?
[13:02] <giantpune> i also see in their package manager a place to add alternate software sources.  maybe it will lets you add the liveCD there like ubuntu does
[13:02] <giantpune> yes, im using ethernet to connect, but it is connected
[13:02] <dnivra> ahh ethernet. that works fine; not DSL :(
[13:03] <dnivra> oh yeah I know that but I do not have a live CD, only live USB and iso. I do not know how to add them as a source.
[13:04] <dnivra> if i did, i would have just installed the gnome one and be done with the issue :).
[13:04] <giantpune> look at kpackagekit in the settings
[13:04] <giantpune> the "other software" tab
[13:05] <giantpune> with the CD in the drive, mine has an entry for "cdrom:...."  if i were you, i would try to use "/dev/sdb2"  or mount your liveUSB and add "/media/blablabla" in there
[13:07] <dnivra> i've to specf\ify a URL i think. let me check.
[13:10] <giantpune> dnivra, look at post #4  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1403679
[13:10] <giantpune> youd have to replace "maverick" with "lucid"  but it should work
[13:11] <dnivra> looking at it. and it's natty not lucid :). 11.10.
[13:12] <dnivra> any idea what is meant by DCODE?
[13:12] <dnivra> oh wait that's the tag terminator i think :)
[13:18] <dnivra> ahh i'll try a bit later. thanks giantpune . it isn't working yet; hope it does. i lost all my package lists now :*(
[13:32] <Babalau> anyone here can help me ?
[13:40] <Kaspi> Babalau: that's quite possible, you just have to let people know what do you need to help with.
[13:41] <Babalau> Kaspi: thx.. i've found an workarround
[14:08] <muneeb> is there any widget for setting frequency scaling?
[14:28] <jmper> help one link download free cine
[14:28] <jrdnyquist> Hey, I've installed Kubuntu 11.04 (64 bit). I am having an issue where my tg3 network driver seems to have some issue. ethtool show Autoneg is on and @ 1000/full. This matches my switch and should be fine. I am howver getting framing errors in ifconfig and my connection is extremely bogged down. I don't think this is ness. a Kubuntu issue but has anyone else experienced this?
[14:29] <jmper> whats
[14:31] <mr-rich> jrdnyquist: what's your uptime?
[14:32] <jrdnyquist> 19 mins
[14:32] <jrdnyquist> I tried powering down and unplugging jsut to reset everything
[14:32] <jrdnyquist> pulled the plug
[14:32] <mr-rich> ok ... not the problem I was thinking of then ...
[14:33] <mr-rich> are you sure the right driver is installed?
[14:33] <jrdnyquist> kinda strange, I was running ubuntu 10.10 with no issues, I am assuming there may be tg3 driver issue
[14:33] <jrdnyquist> lsmod shows tg3 running
[14:33] <jrdnyquist> not sure what other options there are for broadcom
[14:33] <mr-rich> do you know which version of the driver 10.10 was running?
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> nah
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> this is what happens when there isa duplex issue usually
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> liek switch at 100/full nic at 10/half etc
[14:34] <jrdnyquist> framing errors
[14:36] <mr-rich> well, the only thing I can think to try is back porting to the driver/kernel that 10.10 was using ... I know that some of those broadcoms also have to have firmware uploaded to them at boot, so aslo check to see if you have the correct firmware version, too ...
[14:39] <mr-rich> I have to back port the tvtime program to 2 versions ago to get my tv card to work ...
[14:40] <jrdnyquist> oh man never used quassel, how do I make it word wrap? it's running off the chat screen
[14:42] <mr-rich> try KVirc instead ..
[14:51] <elchi> hi
[14:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:55] <DarthFrog> Hide the cheese, BluesKaj is here! :-)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> hey DarthFrog :)
[14:56] <Squeak> hullo all
[14:57] <Squeak> if i'm doing a clean install of 11.04 on a system that had 10.10 on it (because the upgrade process barfed completely and left my system unusable), and i tell it to use the same partition for /home that it used to, but not to format it, what files in /home will it overwrite?
[14:57] <DarthFrog> It won't.
[14:58] <Squeak> not even any configuration files?
[14:58] <DarthFrog> I don't think so.  I've not noticed any such changes.  And I've done what you're going to do many times.
[14:59] <Squeak> gracias senor :)
[14:59] <DarthFrog> It might add some files (ala KDE3 to KDE4).
[14:59] <Squeak> I
[14:59] <Squeak> I'm pretty sure I was at the latest kde version anyway, backports enabled
[14:59] <BluesKaj> yup, Squeak your data should be ok
[15:00] <Squeak> fortunately my important data's all on other disks on a mirror
[15:00] <BluesKaj> done that at least 5 times myself without any probs
[15:00] <Squeak> cool, here goes :)
[15:02] <Squeak> while i'm here, I have another minor issue on another PC
[15:02] <Squeak> after an upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, the background of the kicker app launcher is utterly garbled, and it's unusable
[15:02] <Squeak> anyone else seen anything like that?
[15:03] <DarthFrog> I have 3 partitions on my hard disk for Kubuntu: one 20 GB for the current Kubuntu root system, one 20 GB for the previous Kubuntu version and a 960 GB one that's mounted on /home.  When the next version of Kubuntu reaches beta status, I install it on the partition that contains the previous version and switch to it.
[15:03] <Squeak> http://oi55.tinypic.com/96kkt0.jpg
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Squeak, no plasma panel there , wonder if that has any effect?
[15:06] <Squeak> it's on a panel, just with the bare naked background
[15:06] <Squeak> but I still get the same effect if I use the oxygen plasma theme
[15:06] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:06] <BluesKaj> deskt effects enabled?
[15:07] <Squeak> yep
[15:07] <mr-rich> Is there a website that explains the differences between all the flavors of Ubuntu (K, X ED, etc)?
[15:07] <DarthFrog> mr-rich:  Ask the bot:
[15:07] <DarthFrog> !lubuntu | mr-rich
[15:07] <DarthFrog> !xubuntu | mr-rich
[15:07] <Squeak> and I get the same if I turn desktop effects off
[15:08] <mr-rich> !edubuntu
[15:09] <t2_> hi, is it a good idea to disable Nepomuk file indexing on a laptop ?  I don't search often so I don't really care about the speed
[15:10] <t2_> or does it also index for Alt-F2 runner ?
[15:10] <DarthFrog> t2_: Krunner is indexed.
[15:10] <DarthFrog> Which I find to be a nuisance.
[15:11] <t2_> DarthFrog: sorry I didn't understand, so if I disable Nepmuk Krunner won't update ?  I'm thinking of using Gnome-do to replace it
[15:12] <briandw1969> having probs with package manager
[15:15] <BluesKaj> t2_, I always turn nepomuk off , if I need krunner it because I'm editing and doin new stuff and followig a trutorial which normally tells me the ile pats anyway
[15:15] <DarthFrog> t2_: Krunner will run just fine, with or without Nepomuk.  If Nepomuk is disabled however, it won't have the same search ability.
[15:15] <briandw1969> hey guys
[15:16] <BluesKaj> gawd this kb
[15:16] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  It can't spell. :-)
[15:16] <briandw1969> lol
[15:17] <briandw1969> install from package manager doesnt seem to work
[15:17] <Squeak> damn, that was a quick install
[15:26] <t2_> what was the name of the tool/utility that helps you take a break every so minutes ?
[15:26] <t2_> It had a GTK interface from what I recall
[15:28] <PhilRod_> rsibreak used to exist
[15:28] <PhilRod_> dunno if it got ported to kde 4
[15:29] <Squeak> put a bash script to call "sleep 600 && reboot" in your startup scripts :)
[15:29] <Squeak> (disclaimer: don't actually do that)
[15:42] <klaus> Hallo an alle
[15:50] <BluesKaj> I've been looking at tutorials for methods that will automount remote music and video files on a networked pc  ..been try some autofs tutorials using sshfs, but the symlink and automount strings in / etc/auto/sshfs and /etc/auto.master don't mount the folders There arent any errors when I do "autofs start" , and even outputs a running message but really there's nothing happening at all. This an attempt automount at boot . I can manually mount the
[15:50] <BluesKaj> folders
[16:05] <elchi> hhhh
[16:05] <elchi> hmmmm .... ich komme hier noch nicht so ganz klar
[16:06] <[Po]lentino> de ! elchi
[16:06] <elchi> ??
[16:07] <James147> !de | elchi
[16:09] <Thinkerer68> Something strange happened.
[16:09] <Thinkerer68> I transferred about 8 GB of files over Samba and all of them were corrupted  :-/
[16:10] <Thinkerer68> About 20 different files were corrupted in all.
[16:10] <Thinkerer68> weird
[17:05] <chachan> guys, which are the best IRC clients of KDE in your opinion?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> chachan, I use Konversation , altho the default is quassel, which is good as well , but it's a matter of taste mostly...some evn use xchat
[17:10] <Tm_T> or irssi, or ...
[17:11] <Tm_T> !best
[17:12] <chachan> yeah, I think is matter of taste, and I don't want to make a poll here hehe, sorry
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, I use the scp command to copy files while sshd into the source pc , it works very well and is a lot daster then samba
[17:16] <BluesKaj> faster
[17:17] <Thinkerer68> I don't run sshd.
[17:17] <Thinkerer68> I need Samba because my LAN has Windows and Mac computers
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Thinkerer68, bummer :(
[17:18] <Thinkerer68> Samba is a kind of lowest common denominator.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> yeah
[17:18] <BluesKaj> altho puTTY seems to work with windows
[17:19] <Thinkerer68> I know about putty
[17:19] <Thinkerer68> TBH I don't know how to configure sshd securely.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> I tried a couple of other ssh clients/servers for windows but the guis are hard to read on this monitor , for windows smb it is
[17:20] <BluesKaj> ssh is secure
[17:20] <Thinkerer68> The idea of any kind of remote login scares the bejeepers out of me.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> imeant ssh'd into
[17:21] <BluesKaj> remote as in past the routers on the internet or on a LAN ?
[17:22] <Thinkerer68> Well, I can block SSH ports on my router. Problem is that I can't block _all_ ports on my router.
[17:23] <Thinkerer68> I am also not convinced that closing ports on the router would be enought to prevent intelligent attackers from gaining access.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> port 22 is the default port for ssh behind a router
[17:24] <Thinkerer68> ^ Using default ports is not good security.
[17:24] <BluesKaj> are you keeping corporate secrets or someting ?
[17:24] <Thinkerer68> No, but I am paranoid about my data.
[17:25] <BluesKaj> paranoid is probly correct since samba isn't nearly as secure so i think your paranoia is misdirected
[17:26] <BluesKaj> but that's your call
[17:26] <Thinkerer68> Samba is not routable by default. NetBIOS stops at the LAN because it was not designed to be routable to begin with.
[17:27] <Thinkerer68> In order to make Samba shares accessible outside the LAN one must run an WINS server.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ssh encryption works well over the net ...seems very secure from all reports
[17:29] <Thinkerer68> Maybe it is, but I still wouldn't want my host exposed to the Internet
[17:29] <James147> Thinkerer68: unless you forward the port in your router it wont be exposed
[17:30] <BluesKaj> James147, thx you took the words right of my KB :)
[17:30] <BluesKaj> off
[17:30] <Thinkerer68> I understand that.
[17:31] <Thinkerer68> But security is best applied in layers.
[17:31] <James147> and if anything should be exposed then ssh is as good as anything ^^
[17:31] <Thinkerer68> At any rate, SSH is not the solution to my Samba woes.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> bah,we had this discussion before ...no point
[17:32] <Thinkerer68> It's fine. I don't mind the discussion.
[17:34] <Thinkerer68> upon first reboot after upgrading from Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty to kubuntu 9.10 Karmic I got this message in TTY2: "could not access PID file for nmbd"
[17:35] <Thinkerer68> I have not rebooted the newly upgraded system since then.
[17:37] <Thinkerer68> tty8: "init: ureadahead-other main process (893) terminated with status 4"
[18:09] <blip-> hi all, anyone know how often playonlinux get's updated in the repos ?  Am I better of downloading the the ubuntu deb package from POL website ?
[18:31] <areichman> can anybody recommend a good, free proxy for accessing US based content from france?
[18:43] <katsrc> what's the best equalizer settings for Trance music on Amarok?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> katsrc, none , trance isn't music :)
[18:45] <katsrc> lol
[18:45] <katsrc> wish there was a preset
[18:49] <BluesKaj> katsrc, there eqs in the repos / package managers
[18:50] <katsrc> BluesKaj: are they for amarok?
[18:50] <katsrc> or general equalizers?
[18:52] <katsrc> BluesKaj: there was a good scrip for Amarok 1
[18:52] <katsrc> autoEQ
[18:52] <katsrc> script*
[18:52] <BluesKaj> depends on  what backend you use I dunno for sure since I don't use amarok , I use vlc as a backend in phonon.. I guess if I used the eq in vlc it should apply globally
[18:54] <BluesKaj> more and more ppl are dropping gstreamer and xine as their bottom line audio server, katsrc , since vlc is so verstile
[18:55] <Peace-> vlc rulez hi BluesKaj
[18:55] <katsrc> BluesKaj: VLC does this weird static thing during the intro of whatever i play on it
[18:55] <katsrc> but that's really interesting
[18:55] <katsrc> i'll check it out
[19:00] <BluesKaj> katsrc, do use pulseaudio ?
[19:00] <katsrc> BluesKaj: it's set to default
[19:01] <katsrc> i use Xine with Phonon
[19:01] <katsrc> is Pulse default with Kubuntu 11.04?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> katsrc, yes
[19:03] <woodzy_> HELP! How do I download the source code to packages I've already downloaded?
[19:05] <blip99> hi, is there a way to bind the Meta/Win key to have it open up the "start menu" like it does on Windows ?
[19:07] <katsrc> BluesKaj: thanks, I played around with the VLC audio source and it fixed the issue
[19:07] <BluesKaj> katsrc, cool :)
[19:08] <BluesKaj> blip99, the startmenu for window equivalent is the kmenu kicker in the plasma panel .
[19:09] <blip99> BluesKaj: yes kmenu, is there a command I can bind to open it the menu itself ?
[19:09] <blip99> BluesKaj: there is no 'kmenu' binary that I can run from command line
[19:10] <woodzy_> HELP! How do I download the source code to packages I've already downloaded?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> blip99,sorry dunno
[19:14] <BluesKaj> woodzy_, follow the readme in the extracted application folder
[19:23] <woodzy_> ok thx blueskaj
[19:24] <BluesKaj> ppl forget about readmes , saves alot of googling
[19:44] <Thinkerer68> woodzy_: there is a source code repository you can enable in your package managaer
[19:57] <junrrein> does someone know if kde 4.6.3 packages will be available por kubuntu 10.10?
[19:59] <junrrein> is someone there?
[20:00] <junrrein> can someone answer me a pair of questions?
[20:02] <eMyller> hi all
[20:02] <junrrein> hi
[20:03] <eMyller> why is natty so unstable on intel-based pcs? :(
[20:03] <Thinkerer68> hi
[20:03] <junrrein> i don't know, i was just about to ask if there are any issues upgrading to natty :P
[20:03] <eMyller> i really love it for bringing python 2.7, kde 4.6 and some new stuff in, but it's failing so much that i'm tempted to go back to maverick :\
[20:04] <eMyller> junrrein: if you're on a intel based chipset, don't, for the sake of your humor.
[20:04] <eMyller> kded4 is freezing all the time, eating 30~50% of CPU
[20:04] <junrrein> thanks, i'll remember that. and i'm on an intel based chipset
[20:04] <junrrein> mmm
[20:04] <eMyller> i have to kill it everytime, but then all the system gets 'desynced'
[20:04] <junrrein> have you tried login in with another user?
[20:05] <eMyller> junrrein: yep
[20:05] <eMyller> junrrein: actually, i made a clean install, so i don't think that user stuff may cause problems
[20:06] <junrrein> actually, it was reported that in fresh installs, kde 4.6 could freeze like hell like you say, and it could be solved by creating another user and using it
[20:06] <eMyller> also, i use a 3g connection as default; everytime i lose the conn, the system breaks up
[20:06] <junrrein> but i don't think it's related with your problem then :/
[20:06] <junrrein> what a pain
[20:06] <eMyller> i'm forced to restart everything in order to get back to work :\
[20:06] <eMyller> (and it's freaking annoying)
[20:07] <junrrein> what a shame
[20:07] <eMyller> hm, i'll try to create another user, anyway
[20:07] <eMyller> i've already done that, but i just imported the confs from another box
[20:07] <eMyller> i'll do it cleanly
[20:07] <junrrein> are you sure there isn't any PPA for python 2.7 for maverick?
[20:07] <junrrein> mmm
[20:08] <eMyller> junrrein: even if there is one, using it may break everything up
[20:08] <eMyller> because all the system depends on 2.6.*
[20:08] <eMyller> actually, i'm considering switching temporarily to gnome, because i need natty stuff :(
[20:09] <eMyller> but hell, i don't know what sucks more: gnome or broken kde
[20:09] <junrrein> thanks for the explanation, i didn't knew that
[20:09] <junrrein> hahaha
[20:11] <junrrein> eMyller: is kde 4.6.3 going to be packaged for maverick?
[20:11] <eMyller> junrrein: undoubtly
[20:12] <junrrein> i don't want to sound rude but are you sure or is it just your assumption?
[20:13] <kubuntuu> HI, I'd like to install the new kubuntu 11.04. I'm on a 10.10 now. If I install the 11.04, will grub always be there (to choose between windows and linux) ?
[20:13] <eMyller> junrrein: every new kde release will be backported until the support cycle ends.
[20:13] <eMyller> kubuntuu: most likely
[20:13] <junrrein> eMyller: ok, thank you
[20:14] <eMyller> junrrein: except if some very rare exception comes up
[20:14] <junrrein> eMyller: one more question: when you tried the live cd, was it frozen like after the install?
[20:14] <eMyller> junrrein: i havent played much with the live cd
[20:15] <eMyller> i think i didn't give it opportunity to break
[20:15] <junrrein> eMyller: hahaha thank you
[20:15] <kubuntuu> eMyller: are you saying that If I delete the 10.10 and I install the 11.04 so grub screen boot will stay?
[20:16] <eMyller> kubuntuu: it should be the default behavior of the installation
[20:16] <junrrein> eMyller: i was trying chakra linux (pure kde) but firefox was very crashy on the live session :(
[20:16] <eMyller> kubuntuu: i can't tell you it WILL happen because i'm not on a dual-boot box; but it must happen, at least.
[20:16]  * eMyller doesn't use firefox anymore
[20:17] <junrrein> eMyller: what do you use for browsing?
[20:17] <kubuntuu> eMyller thanks a lot. I'm gonna install tha.
[20:17] <eMyller> lol i was a mozilla dude and now i'm a chromium fan :P
[20:17] <eMyller> kubuntuu: good luck. :)
[20:18] <areichman> +1 for chromium :-)
[20:18] <junrrein> eMyller: i don't like the download manager in chromium :(
[20:18] <junrrein> does anyone know of a good download manager for chromium?
[20:18] <junrrein> it's the only thing holding me from using it
[20:19] <eMyller> it's just simple and works well; i'm not any fan of it too, tho
[20:19] <eMyller> junrrein: wget :P
[20:19] <eMyller> use an external one
[20:19] <eMyller> [kget sucks]
[20:19] <FloodBotK1> eMyller: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:19] <eMyller> lol i'm typing too fast. haha
[20:20] <junrrein> eMyller: what a smartass :P is there something with a gui? :/
[20:20] <junrrein> haha
[20:20] <eMyller> junrrein: sure there is. i don't have a favorite, you better look at the repos
[20:20] <eMyller> junrrein: i used fatrat once; it's not kde-based, but is qt-based, at least.
[20:21] <junrrein> eMyller: thank you, i'll try that :)
[20:21] <junrrein> eMyller: i don't have any problem with gtk
[20:21] <eMyller> i do.
[20:22] <junrrein> hahaha
[20:22] <eMyller> just because it's ugly -- oxygen-gtk been saving that -- and because gtk apps tend to fill me home dir with conf files frenetically.
[20:22] <eMyller> s/me/my
[20:23] <junrrein> eMyller: i don't use oxygen, i use a pretty decent qtcurve style, so it looks pretty good in gtk too. I never had the problems you mention. What does that mean?
[20:24] <eMyller> do a ls -la in a fresh kde install. then do the same in a fresh gnome install.
[20:24] <eMyller> * ls -la ~
[20:25] <eMyller> then do it in your own install. couldn't that be cleaner?
[20:25] <junrrein> i see what you mean. i'm starting to think you are bugged by everything :P but i understand your need for cleanness
[20:26] <eMyller> i'm just a perfectionist guy. :P
[20:27] <eMyller> hey, check http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3116537.0 out
[20:27] <junrrein> hahaha
[20:27] <junrrein> hey thanks. i'll read that
[20:35] <Edward_Nigma> hey
[20:35] <junrrein> hi
[20:38] <him> any one there?
[20:38] <blazen> yea
[20:39] <Edward_Nigma> me... but kinda busy
[20:40] <Edward_Nigma> i am trying to remember a name of a ubuntu app
[20:40] <Edward_Nigma> but i'm not being sucesfull
[20:40] <blazen> aww. good luck
[20:40] <Edward_Nigma> thx
[20:44] <meatmachine> Hey dudes and dudets. How's it hangin'?
[20:51] <Edward_Nigma> ooh
[20:51] <Edward_Nigma> i remembered
[20:51] <Edward_Nigma> fak that was hard .-.
[20:52] <blazen> and what name was it?
[20:53] <Edward_Nigma> conky lol
[20:53] <blazen> lol :)
[20:53] <Edward_Nigma> my mind made a huge confusion on names
[21:03] <blazen> ajaj.. me too
[21:12] <woodzy_> Thinkerer68: i have it enabled but how do i download after the fact?
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> compiz in kde?
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> in 11.4 it shows me 2 transparent windows near panels
[21:12] <MaximLevitsky> anybody have seen that?
[21:15] <MaximLevitsky> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/snapshot2g.png/
[21:15] <Thinkerer68> woodzy_: same as any other package. look up the source you want in the package manager and select it for installation
[21:16] <Thinkerer68> woodzy_: TBH though, I've never actually tried this before. It only makes sense though, so call me stupid if it doesn't work  :P
[21:17] <woodzy_> i thought there was an easy way to download all the source code for the installed packages i already have. :)
[21:17] <MaximLevitsky> any ideas?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, if you have compiz /ccsm install it's rather redundant , if you have desktop effects enabled as well . To me compiz isn't necessary anymore
[21:21] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, hence you probly have compz and desktop effects running simultaneously
[21:21] <MaximLevitsky> BluesKaj: please stop trolling!
[21:21] <BluesKaj> hehe
[21:21] <erebus> do i install wine with sudo apt-get wine?
[21:23] <BluesKaj> erebus, yes, or with kpackagekit
[21:23] <erebus> BluesKaj: any restricted extras package to get?\
[21:24] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricrted-extras is usually recommended , for flash, java and multimedia codecs etc
[21:25] <erebus> BluesKaj: if i have it
[21:25] <erebus> it tells me right?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricrted-extras contains flash, java and multimedia codecs etc
[21:26] <BluesKaj> sorry i should have been more clear on that, erebus
[21:26] <erebus> BluesKaj: what is the package for libreoffice?
[21:27] <BluesKaj> erebus, if you have it alrady , it wn't install
[21:28] <BluesKaj> libreoffice  is the pckage , erebus
[21:29] <erebus> kk
[21:29] <erebus> ty
[21:31] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, btw i wasn't trolling , some ppl aren't aware of the desktop effects in the newer releases, I had to mention it because i don't know what you know ..we're not mindreaders here
[21:32] <MaximLevitsky> BluesKaj: I though you say, stop using compiz, switch to kwin...
[21:32] <MaximLevitsky> if not, then sorry!
[21:32] <MaximLevitsky> btw kwin isn't bad at all, it just is too slow with nouveau
[21:33] <MaximLevitsky> I wanted to use compiz to see if it has the same problem
[21:33] <MaximLevitsky> compiz in gnome works superb
[21:33] <BluesKaj> that's just my personal prefernce , it's an example of uses and options available
[21:34] <BluesKaj> nouveau ,,hmm thats; the default driver if you haven't chosen to to install the recommended one in additional drivers
[21:35] <MaximLevitsky> BluesKaj: I know it very well, and it works here very well
[21:35] <MaximLevitsky> in fact nvidia blob crashes kwin outright when I use the cube....
[21:35] <m477> i did upgarde ( 11.04 ) and unity crashed down and i dont have windows frame, what to return it?
[21:35] <m477> reboots dont help
[21:39] <BluesKaj> MaximLevitsky, seems to me I've had this discussion about nvidia driver before ...not going there. too busy doing other stuff today
[21:40] <BluesKaj> m477, ask in #ubuntu
[22:00] <erebus> BluesKaj: how can i install disper package?
[22:02] <dniMretsaM> wut is a disper package?
[22:02] <erebus> http://willem.engen.nl/projects/disper/
[22:03] <dniMretsaM> compile the source from the GZipped tarball?
[22:04] <BluesKaj> nm , he left
[22:05] <BluesKaj> dniMretsaM, I use unp decompress the file , then follow the readme to compile
[22:05] <BluesKaj>  use unp to decompress
[22:15] <dniMretsaM> does anybody know how to have the taskbar items (what you would click on to maximize a window) in a panel only for the desktop that it's in?
[22:15] <dniMretsaM> I liked that when i used GNOME, but I can't figure out how to do that on KDE
[22:25] <yofel> dniMretsaM: in the task manager settings you can enable 'only show tasks from the current desktop'
[22:26] <dniMretsaM> yofel: thanks!
[22:50] <Cammy> Hi, when I partitioned and formatted this drive, I made the Swap partition 2GB, put it at the start of the drive, but Kubuntu doesn't even use it
[22:51] <Cammy> Is there a way to tell it where this swap partition is so I don't keep running out of RAM
[22:58] <orys_> hello ;-)
[23:08] <orys_> guys, I have problem with pulseaudio. I have two sound cards in my system and it puts the one I don't want on the top and the one I want on the bottom. I removed the one from BIOS, but it's still in pulseaudio (but grey) and he still puts it on front
[23:08] <orys_> I can't change it - my changes aren't saved. File rights problem? Where it saves it?
[23:10] <amichair> is there a way to see a torrent's hash in ktorrent?
[23:11] <coz_> hey guys,, ok  switched to kde desktop,,,   apparenlty there is an issue with the plassma wiidget window ,, ghosting after its  closed,, an alt+F4   closes it but reappears on next login,, I am sure that will be fixed,, however,, since I am most likely going to move to kde permanently,,   with gnome3  caca  on it's way,, i do need to have a single wallpaper  across both monitors on this dual monitor set up
[23:12] <coz_> and this   has not been fixed  for about a year
[23:15] <dniMretsaM> amichair: not that I know ot. I use qBittorrent though, so I might be missing something
[23:27] <Cammy> Hey guys, if you need some help with Kubuntu, I have found you may get more success if you ask in an Amiga OS channel rather than a Linux one
[23:28] <Cammy> Those guys seem smarter and more friendly and willing to help anyway
[23:30] <James147> Cammy: are you insulting us?
[23:32] <Thinkerer68> lol
[23:33] <Thinkerer68> Amiga OS  :P
[23:35] <Cammy> No, I'm telling the truth, take it how you want
[23:35] <Cammy> Amiga OS guys seem a lot more open minded
[23:35] <Cammy> They've branched out beyond the big three
[23:36] <Cammy> Like wise old nomads that wander the net, fixing things where they go
[23:37] <Thinkerer68> Cammy: Can I run Amiga OS on my A500 ?
[23:38] <seidos> Amiga OS isn't open sores
[23:38] <seidos> (sic)
[23:54] <Belial> Hi there, I currently have 10.04 Ubuntu installed, after looking at 11.04, seems I would like to shift to KDE. Is there a supported upgrade path from 10.04 Ubuntu to Kubuntu, or to keep things clean am I better off with a clean install and restoring data from backups?
[23:57] <James147> Belial: install kubuntu-desktop then:
[23:57] <James147> !purekde
[23:57] <James147> then upgrade as normal
[23:57] <orys_> Belial: from my experience, there is even not a working path from Kubuntu 10... to 11.. :D
[23:57] <orys_> o James, hi ;-)
[23:57] <Belial> Thanks James147, obiously asked enough to ahve the bot pre-loaded, apologies :)
[23:58] <James147> Belial: though to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 you will ahve to upgrade to 10.10 first
[23:58] <Belial> James147: Asking for more trouble than a clean install?
[23:58]  * James147 notes that 11.04 is not an LTS
[23:59] <James147> Belial: that depends on how customised you have made your install
[23:59] <James147> Belial: you are able to keep /home intact if you reinstall and NO NOT format the drive with /home on
[23:59] <James147> (though always take backups of important stuff)
[23:59] <James147> so you dont ahve to lose user settings


[00:35] <kaushal> hi
[00:35] <kaushal> what are the supported laptops of Dell running ubuntu ?
[04:40] <kaushal> checking in around for my query ?


[08:06] <dobey> lool: ui files should already work in intltool. i think there's a bug about context support though, but danilo would be better suited to discuss that
[08:19] <lool> dobey: I filed LP #381347 to cover them better; care for merging the changes?
[08:20] <dobey> lool: i'll check it, thanks
[10:30] <seb128> cassidy: hey, there
[10:30] <seb128> cassidy: do you know if empathy has or will get otr?
[10:31] <cassidy> probably not because we thing that OTR is bong
[10:32] <seb128> how so?
[10:33] <seb128> cassidy: discussing pidgin vs empathy for karmic
[10:34] <cassidy> we think that OTR is not right way to implement security and encryption
[10:35] <seb128> anything equivalent on the schedule?
[10:35] <cassidy> we have some plan to implement p2p encryption in Gabble
[10:35] <cassidy> but tbh I doubt that will be ready for karmic
[10:35] <seb128> ok
[10:36] <seb128> and is video chat working or will working soon in 2.27?
[10:36] <cassidy> video chat is working with XMPP with 2.26
[10:36] <cassidy> bigger current issue is the sound because of PA
[10:36] <cassidy> we have someone implementing it in MSN
[10:36] <seb128> likely to be fixed for 2.28?
[10:37] <cassidy> audio sound is really a pulseaudio and/or gst issue
[10:37] <cassidy> not an Empathy one
[10:37] <seb128> ok
[10:37] <cassidy> I should test latest gst-plugins-good to see it that helps
[10:37] <cassidy> they rewrote the pa audio src
[10:37] <seb128> ok, sold
[10:37] <cassidy> heu sink
[10:37] <seb128> we got empathy by default soon and test it
[10:38] <cassidy> woot :)
[10:38] <seb128> got -> get
[10:38] <Zdra> !!
[10:38] <seb128> if it works great we keep it, if it doesn't we can roll back to pidgin later in the cycle
[10:38] <seb128> ready to get lot of extra feedback from users? ;-)
[10:39] <cassidy> seb128: tbh, I still expect regressions from Pidgin atm but having it by default would helps us to catch the bigger ones
[10:39] <seb128> right, we want to try to get it ready for next lts
[10:39] <seb128> ie 9 months from now
[10:39] <cassidy> cool :)
[10:39] <seb128> cassidy Zdra: do you know about sip support?
[10:40] <seb128> it seems to be listed in the accounts list
[10:40] <Zdra> seb128: cassidy: It depends on the kind of regression. I think audio/video is a great improvement that justify a million of "regression" because users at used to totally useless plugins
[10:40] <Zdra> seb128: yes, we support SIP audio/video
[10:40] <seb128> we don't care about extra things users can install
[10:40] <seb128> they can still install pidgin if they do that
[10:41] <Zdra> seb128: the problem with SIP is we don't have locally stored addressbook
[10:41] <Zdra> seb128: and we don't support SIMPLE to get contact list from server for SIP
[10:42] <Zdra> seb128: so the user has to retype the phone number or the sip ID each time he wants to call someone...
[10:42] <seb128> ok
[10:42] <Zdra> seb128: with an arguably ugly and broken UI
[10:42] <seb128> and do you use libopal for codecs or that kind of thing?
[10:42] <Zdra> seb128: no, codecs are all provided by gst
[10:42] <Zdra> with farsight, etc
[10:43] <Zdra> it works the same way as xmpp voip
[10:43] <seb128> ok thanks
[10:43] <Zdra> seb128: in practice, for video encoding you often need h263 which is not in ubuntu by default because of patent
[10:43] <Zdra> seb128: but for empathy<>empathy calls, we support theora
[10:44] <seb128> good
[10:44] <seb128> zeroconf seems to be not working great
[10:44] <seb128> some people are not listed
[10:46] <Zdra> :(
[10:46] <seb128> anyway those are bugs
[10:46] <Zdra> seb128: zeroconf is tested once per year on the crappy guadec network :p
[10:48] <cassidy> seb128: tp-salut is actively maintained so we are interested in bugs :)
[10:49] <seb128> good!
[10:50] <cassidy> btw, we already receive lot of Empathy bug reports so help from the Ubuntu community to triage LP bugs and report them upstream when needed would be needed
[10:51] <seb128> right
[10:52] <seb128> cassidy: is IRC working in empathy?
[10:52] <cassidy> it's "working" but user experience could really be improved
[10:53] <cassidy> for example, I'm still using xchat-gnome
[10:53] <cassidy> but hope to switch to Empathy at some point
[10:53] <seb128> ok good
[10:54] <Zdra> cassidy: on the other hand, I can't use pidgin for IRC neither...
[10:54] <Zdra> some people like that kind of UI, and empathy is not that different
[10:54] <Zdra> but for me xchat-like UI is much much better
[11:00] <seb128> right
[11:00] <cassidy> seb128: does that mean Empathy and tp-package will move to main ?
[11:00] <seb128> we have people using pidgin for IRC though
[11:00] <seb128> yes
[11:01] <seb128> but archive reorganization is coming soon
[11:01] <cassidy> will bigon be still allowed to upload them? He's doing a really good job at getting packages up to date and sync with Debian
[11:01] <seb128> ie no main and universe but team for packages basically
[11:01] <lool> didrocks: Pushed gettext support
[11:03] <seb128> cassidy: not until archive reorg no
[11:03] <cassidy> :(
[11:05] <lool> didrocks: I wish we'd pick some python packaging tool; autotools, distutils, whatever
[11:06] <bigon> he
[11:08] <Zdra> seb128: you may consider libchamplain and geoclue too. They are going to be used in next empathy release (optional dep) to show location of your contacts on a world map
[11:08] <Zdra> seb128: that's a really cool feature
[11:08] <Zdra> seb128: no other open source IM program has that afaik
[11:08] <pochu> cassidy: unless he applies to be a core-dev :)
[11:09] <pochu> bigon: ^ that's you ;)
[11:09]  * bigon would be glad if empathy supports vcard :o
[11:10] <jcastro> seb128: no one from the desktop team is at this dual wallpaper session
[11:10] <jcastro> seb128: is there a scheduling error or something?
[11:11] <bigon> pochu: mmm
[11:12] <pochu> bigon: re: empathy et al being moved to main
[11:14] <bigon> yeah I guess that ;) going through sponsorship will be a lot of pain and delay
[11:14] <bigon> :/
[11:14] <hyperair> so i hear empathy's replacing pidgin?
[11:15] <hyperair> if it is, i'd actually love to see empathy being able to group contacts
[11:15] <istaz_> bigon: it can't be longer that your debian application anyway
[11:16] <pochu> hyperair: it is, yes
[11:16] <hyperair> pochu: but empathy can't group contacts! am i the only one who uses that feature and will miss it?
[11:16] <Zdra> hyperair: you mean metacontacts?
[11:16] <bigon> istaz_: :p
[11:16] <hyperair> er yeah
[11:16] <hyperair> wait, does empathy have something of that sort?
[11:16] <hyperair> i couldn't find it
[11:17] <bigon> I was talking about maintaining pkg through sponsorship
[11:17] <Zdra> no
[11:17] <pochu> I use groups
[11:17] <Zdra> hyperair: we have plans for that, but unfortunately nobody is working to make it happen
[11:17] <hyperair> =(
[11:17] <bigon> so what will be migrated to main? empathy libtp-glib? CM? (tp-gabble, tp-salut)
[11:18] <bigon> what else?
[11:18] <cassidy> tp-fs and friends
[11:18] <bigon> right
[11:19] <bigon> and the geloc stuff?
[11:39] <cassidy> bigon: geoloc uses libchamplain and geoclue
[11:44] <bigon> and the migration to main will be made during this release cycle?
[11:45] <pochu> bigon: yes
[11:45] <pochu> bigon: they are switching from pidgin to empathy for the default install
[21:32] <Brucevdk> Hi I couldn't find a bug but does anybody know why Firefox doesn't ship with the SVG? At least not in Intrepid.
[21:36] <andreasn> Brucevdk, the svg of what?
[21:36] <Brucevdk> Firefox, application logo
[21:37] <andreasn> I don't think it ever did that
[21:37] <andreasn> what's the issue? Bad scaling?
[21:37] <Brucevdk> No, there is no SVG included at all
[21:38] <Tm_T> never been IIRC
[21:38] <Brucevdk> no, well, why not?
[21:38] <Tm_T> ask Mozilla foundation? IIRC they provide "closed source" png only or something along those lines
[21:39] <andreasn> there is a bug open regarding that it should ship more sizes on linux, but I don't think the svg is needed
[21:39] <andreasn> as long as we make sure we have a 256x256 icon at least
[21:39] <andreasn> that would allow it to look sane in gnome-do
[21:39] <Brucevdk> sure, that would probably do for most cases
[21:40] <Brucevdk> still
[21:40] <Brucevdk> not for edge cases
[21:40] <Brucevdk> well actually
[21:40] <Brucevdk> downscaling probably would be relatively ok
[21:41] <Brucevdk> andreasn: still, would complicate the logic for doing things like proper scaling in the panel methinks
[21:41] <Tm_T> still, there's nothing we can do except ask the Firefox icon to be changed or relicensed?
[21:42] <andreasn> the bitmap library is pretty good at scaling stuff between the key sizes
[21:43] <andreasn> while I'm not sure librsvg would actually be capable of displaying a svg version of the firefox logo correctly
[21:44] <Brucevdk> hmm alright, I'm satisfied for now, for myself I've got the SVG setup anyways
[21:46] <Brucevdk> thanks


[04:11] <snowguy> I have a couple of basic questions abt edubuntu and ltsp (just set it up for the first time).
[04:11] <snowguy> Here's what I don't understand...
[04:12] <snowguy> From the documentation it seems like I would need to take a bunch of special steps to add software to the client. But in fact I setup ltsp on edubuntu and when I install something on the server, it automatically is loaded on a thin client.
[04:12] <snowguy> That's great but I'm having trouble making sense of the documentation. Can anyone help me understand ?
[04:17] <snowguy> Here's a quote from the LTSPManual.pdf that to me suggests I would need to chroot in order to install/update software on the clients: The reason why it is called a chroot environment is that to install it, the GNU/Linux command chroot is called to
[04:17] <snowguy> actually set the installation root to /opt/ltsp/<arch>. From there, a scaled-down version of the distribution is
[04:17] <snowguy> installed. What this means is that for you to manage the chroot, performing such things as updates, all you need to do
[04:17] <snowguy> is use the chroot command to change the root of your installation. Then you can use all your tools like you normally
[04:17] <snowguy> would.
[04:18] <snowguy> I'll hang out for a bit hoping someone stumbles on my question that can help me out. thanks.
[04:55] <snowguy> anyone there? Is my question just really lame?
[04:56] <alkisg> What was the question?
[04:57] <snowguy> I am confused after just installing edubuntu with ltsp.
[04:57] <snowguy> I thought I would need to chroot to install new apps. but they just seem to work on the thin client if I install them
[04:57] <snowguy> on the edubuntu server
[04:57] <snowguy> I'm not sure what to make of the documentation that says I need to chroot.
[04:58] <snowguy> Does that question make sense?
[04:58] <alkisg> Yes, it makes sense, but no, you don't need them in the chroot
[04:58] <alkisg> A chroot is a minimal OS with just enough programs to get the client to boot and connect to the server
[04:59] <alkisg> After login, the clients work on the server, so any programs installed on the server are automatically available
[04:59] <alkisg> You only need to install apps in the chroot if you're using "localapps" or "ltsp fat clients"
[04:59] <alkisg> Which part of the documentation says you need to chroot, so that we change it?
[05:00] <snowguy> well, I was specifically referring to the ltspmanual.pdf
[05:00] <snowguy> but maybe it was written assuming I knew more than I did.
[05:00] <snowguy> here was one quote I found confusing (but now with your explanation makes sense to me)
[05:01] <snowguy> The reason why it is called a chroot environment is that to install it, the GNU/Linux command chroot is called to
[05:01] <snowguy> actually set the installation root to /opt/ltsp/<arch>. From there, a scaled-down version of the distribution is
[05:01] <snowguy> installed. What this means is that for you to manage the chroot, performing such things as updates, all you need to do
[05:01] <snowguy> is use the chroot command to change the root of your installation. Then you can use all your tools like you normally
[05:01] <snowguy> would.
[05:02] <snowguy> So is there really a reason for me to bother updating the chroot if I am only using thin clients? Sounds like not, since it  is only a temporary environment.
[05:03] <alkisg> That part is talking about the minimal OS needed to boot the clients, if you think it's not making it clear enough that this *isn't* related to the server OS that you see after login, you can file a bug report in the ltsp-docs package
[05:03] <alkisg> One updates the chroot for the normal reasons that we do OS updates
[05:03] <alkisg> I.e. bug fixes, security fixes etc
[05:04] <snowguy> ok. thanks for all your help. I appreciate the response. and thanks for the work on the software.
[05:04] <alkisg> Even the "boot the client and connect to the server" part can have normal or security bugs :)
[05:04] <alkisg> You're welcome
[05:04] <snowguy> got it.
[20:42] <ajmitch> stgraber: how's the tablet work progressing? my laptop ac adapter has decided to finally die, so I'm out of that for a bit :)
[20:43] <stgraber> ajmitch: haven't spend much time on it since the weekend, still can't get anything to boot from sd
[20:43] <ajmitch> damn
[20:44]  * ajmitch didn't spend any time on it over this last week, was hoping to get back to it this weekend & try & get X installed on the sd card to use the fb


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[00:00] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-installer-prompt/+bug/2047294 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-installer-prompt/+bug/2047295
[00:00] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2047294 in lubuntu-installer-prompt (Ubuntu) "Way too many languages are available" [Medium, Confirmed]
[00:00] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2047295 in lubuntu-installer-prompt (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout is ignored" [Medium, Confirmed]
[00:23] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/1:24.04.10
[00:24] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-installer-prompt/1.1.1-0ubuntu2
[00:24] <tsimonq2> And, my second plymouth upload migrated.
[00:24]  * tsimonq2 goes home for a bit, may be back later, may not be, o/
[04:14] <tsimonq2> 20231223.2 rebuild will arrive in 15-20 minutes with lots of new goodies.
[04:16]  * tsimonq2 goes on a bug triage spree...
[04:40] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1900266
[04:40] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1900266 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 20.04 Installer does not provide LVM" [Undecided, Won't Fix]
[05:26]  * tsimonq2 EOD, will EOY tomorrow
 New Vim in Noble release.
 Expect HEAVY bug mail today :)
 Heavier than what i already got ;)
 That's like... maybe 10% of what you'll get today
 XD
 Let me know if I make a mistake XD
 I just might have here - I'll post ones I'm unsure about (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1900266)
[14:20] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1900266 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 20.04 Installer does not provide LVM" [Undecided, Won't Fix]
 It has been good so far, I look forward to the spam machine.
 LVM is something I should investigate the status of. I was banging my head on ZFS to no avail recently.
 Downloads page should look much better now. I kept guiverc's link change. :)

 cc @nestormarius @kc2bez @Eickmeyer
 LVM is very busted with instacrash and little in the log. (re @kc2bez: LVM is something I should investigate the status of. I was banging my head on ZFS to no avail recently.)
 Looks good. I'd also mention under "Noble Numbat" that it's also not supported that nobody should expect support, just my 2c. (re @tsimonq2: Downloads page should look much better now. I kept guiverc's link change. :)

 cc @nestormarius @kc2bez @Eickmeyer)
 YMMV YOLO
 Might kill cats, etc. (re @kc2bez: YMMV YOLO)
 as lubuntu team lead though with my hat on I make this edict:  NO WORK on Lubuntu today or Tomorrow.  Is Holiday.
 That being the case - Merry Xmas to all!! (re @teward001: as lubuntu team lead though with my hat on I make this edict:  NO WORK on Lubuntu today or Tomorrow.  Is Holiday.)
 Happy holidays everyone!
 @tsimonq2 wonderful! but the Numbat download button is missing the magnet link :)
[17:40] <arraybolt3> haha
[17:41] <arraybolt3> Merry Christmas! (Almost, depending on where you are)
 Happy Xmas to all, You too Simon, even if the button is missing.
 Jajajjajaa
 No magnet link exists for the dailies ;) (re @nestormarius: @tsimonq2 wonderful! but the Numbat download button is missing the magnet link :))
 Merry Christmas :))
 The next two hours I shall be a bug warrior
 Turn off your email notifications ;P
 (For that time lmfao)
 I should be the only one working ;P (re @teward001: as lubuntu team lead though with my hat on I make this edict:  NO WORK on Lubuntu today or Tomorrow.  Is Holiday.)
 Deal with my followups in 2024
[19:59] <arraybolt3> I may try to work a bit today too :P
[19:59] <arraybolt3> Maybe, maybe not, depends on how much free time I have and what other projects I'm working on
[20:18] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1964328
[20:18] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1964328 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Installer unmounts luks volumes during install resulting in failed mountpoints for installer" [Undecided, Confirmed]
 *does a chaos and shuts off your email* oops (re @tsimonq2: I should be the only one working ;P)
[20:34] <arraybolt3> s/chaos/KaOS/
 joke's on you I don't need email for LP bugs XD
[20:35] <tsimonq2> The List: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/2045580
[20:35] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2045580 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Improve third-party app installation" [Critical, Confirmed]
 *arranges for your accounts to get locked* (re @tsimonq2: joke's on you I don't need email for LP bugs XD)
 you should be relaxin on the holiday
 :P
 I'm not uploading anything else for the rest of the year; I figured my last day before I fully EOY should be me rolling up my sleeves and taking care of the near-100 Calamares bugs etc :P
 Light work for me, you know, usually doing uploading stuff ;)
 But yes, I had family stuff earlier and I have family stuff later. I've blocked out 2-4 PM for this, that is it :)
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Calamares just went down from 70ish bugs to like 10 relevant ones: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares
[21:12] <tsimonq2> @Leokolb may be the highest-ranking ISO tester but guiverc is definitely the highest-ranking bug reporter XD
[21:12] <tsimonq2> LOTS of good ones, some ephemeral ones... if I didn't follow up appropriately on any of them guiverc I totally trust your judgement, just DTRT :)
[21:14] <tsimonq2> https://pad.lv/1901056 https://pad.lv/2016910 https://pad.lv/2016912 https://pad.lv/2045580 https://pad.lv/1864787 https://pad.lv/1981473 https://pad.lv/1820960 https://pad.lv/1900266 https://pad.lv/1773610 https://pad.lv/2045741 https://pad.lv/1964328
[21:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1901056 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu OEM install doesn't work; it simply starts Lubuntu" [Critical, Confirmed]
[21:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2016910 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Typo in status text during a Spanish (Mexico) installation of Lubuntu" [Critical, Incomplete]
[21:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2016912 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Installing with full disk encryption when using a non-English keyboard layout results in difficulties unlocking the disk" [Critical, Confirmed]
[21:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2045580 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Improve third-party app installation" [Critical, Confirmed]
[21:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1864787 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu failed install 'sfdisk --force --append /dev/sda'" [High, Confirmed]
[21:38] <tsimonq2> Alright everyone, I'm officially EOY. Thank you all for what you do, it is certainly and *deeply* appreciated! I will see you all (officially again) on the morning of January 2nd, 2024, otherwise I'll be generally floating around. If you need me, Telegram or Matrix is the best way. Have a relaxing winter break everyone, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!
[21:39] <tsimonq2> https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1739037750106427879 heh
[21:42] <tsimonq2> @arraybolt3: You too man, you're one of the people who makes this distribution great. :)