[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[15:53] <jose> popey: hey! I was wondering if it's possible to have an on-air session with the main contributors to the core apps so they can give a status update?
[15:57] <popey> jose: what, all of them?
[15:58] <jose> I mean, if that's ever possible, it'd be nice, otherwise maybe one from each app?
[15:58] <jose> I was thinking on this after the hack days
[17:00] <dholbach> all right my friends - see you all tomorrow!
[17:59] <jose> RIP whereschuck.org
[19:57] <lyz> hi everyone, taking a screenshot - say hello! :)
[20:02] <czajkowski> lyz: aloha
[20:09] <pleia2> quiet day today
[20:10] <elfy> for some :p
[20:10] <popey>  (ʘ∇ʘ)ク 彡 ┻━┻
[20:10] <popey> Also. "Hello."
[20:10] <lyz> :)
[20:11] <lyz> elfy, how goes ISO testing?
[20:11] <elfy> pleia2: so what you been up today - other than being late to do my social pingy stuff
[20:12] <pleia2> haha, I did it when I woke up!
[20:12] <elfy> lyz: well ... was going awesomely well until 5 minutes ago
[20:12] <elfy> when we ended up with new builds
[20:12] <elfy> now - looks like I've done none ... :(
[20:12] <elfy> I'll get the QA guy after me ...
[20:12] <lyz> aw
[20:13] <lyz> ok, that'll do
[20:13] <elfy> I'm sorry :(
[20:14] <mhall119> just photoshop that last part out
[20:14] <elfy> story of my life ...
[20:14] <mhall119> lol
[20:15] <elfy> :)
[20:15] <elfy> hi mhall119
[20:15] <mhall119> sorry, I mean gimp that last part out
[20:15] <mhall119> hi elfy :)
[20:15] <elfy> too little too late :p
[20:15] <mhall119> story of....nevermind
[20:16] <elfy> ha ha
[21:14] <jose> jcastro: seen the new 4sq SU forums?


 Drove past kroonstad, harrysmith, ladysmith today
[18:29] <Kilos> ah you going to where
[18:29] <Kilos> durbs?
[18:29] <kbmonkey> through the Karoo, some bug flew into the window onto me and started eating me alive. ha ha. had quite a bite I say
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> rofl
[18:29] <kbmonkey> some kind of miniature wasp, but luckily nothing with venom
[18:30] <kbmonkey> probably a male. small wings
[18:30] <Kilos> small red wasp?
[18:30] <kbmonkey> green
[18:30] <kbmonkey> wish I kept it
[18:30] <Kilos> never seen green ones
[18:30] <Kilos> must be a genetically modified one
[18:30] <Kilos> didnt you splat it?
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Indeed I did
[18:34] <Kilos> lol then not worth keeping
[18:45] <inetpro> heh kbmonkey
[18:48] <kbmonkey> wikipedia is blacked out today
[18:48] <kbmonkey> to protest the US 'stop online privacy act'
[20:06] <superfly> inetpro: some issues with an app
[21:31] <mystogan> hmmm
[21:51] <tumbleweed> superfly: yes
[21:51] <superfly> tumbleweed: no worries, I think I've got a better solution


[04:32] <pavlushka> Morning everyone!
[04:32] <pavlushka> Hello ahoneybun Researcher wxl :)
[04:32] <ahoneybun> heyo pavlushka
[04:33] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: my fav voice is "ahoy"
[04:33] <ahoneybun> really?
[04:34] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: yep
[05:05] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: you didn't ask why?
[05:05] <ahoneybun> mm
[05:06] <pavlushka> coz I love to be a Sailor, cant swim though.
[08:52] <knight__> hi
[08:53] <AudaciousTUX> hello
[08:54] <knight__> Bro, can I use Bangla?
[08:55] <AudaciousTUX> yape
[08:56] <knight__> xubuntu 14.04 e phpmyadmin install korte partesi na. ki korbo?
[08:56] <AudaciousTUX> ki প্রব্লেম হয়??
[08:57] <knight__> dependency prblm hocche koyekta. ogular nam bolbo?
[08:57] <AudaciousTUX> বলেন
[08:58] <knight__> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:58] <knight__>  phpmyadmin : Depends: php but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Depends: php-cli but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Depends: php-mysql but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Depends: php-json but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Depends: php-mbstring but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Depends: php-xml but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Recommends: php-gd but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Recommends: php-bz2 but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Recommends: php-zip but it is not installable
[08:58] <knight__>               Recommends: php-tcpdf but it is not going to be installed
[08:58] <knight__> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[08:58] <AudaciousTUX> run sudo apt install -fy
[09:00] <knight__> disi. tarpor abar sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin disi
[09:00] <knight__> tarporo eki prblm hocche
[09:00] <AudaciousTUX> https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu-bangladesh/%E0%A6%93%E0%A7%9F%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AC-%E0%A6%A1%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AD%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%82-%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%96%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%9F%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%87/10152466956332217
[09:03] <knight__> eta try korsi. but ekhono prblm hocche
[09:12] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: hellu
[09:13] <AudaciousTUX> install those packageshellu
[09:13] <AudaciousTUX> hellu
[09:14] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ki parla na?
[09:14] <AudaciousTUX> kokhon???
[09:15] <pavlushka> knight__
[09:15] <AudaciousTUX> oh... khaitechilam... ar helpaiteo mun chaynai :p
[09:15] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: ken?
[09:16] <AudaciousTUX> easylemp khujtechilam... mateen vai banaichilo..
[09:17] <AudaciousTUX> fb te chat kortechilam :p
[09:18] <AudaciousTUX> তাও আবার চ্রুশ এর সাথে ঁ_ঁ :p
[09:18] <AudaciousTUX> tar abar crush er sathe ^_^ :p
[09:19] <pavlushka> lol
[09:19] <pavlushka> বুঝলাম
[09:19] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: lamp bundle এর কোন একটা যদি আগে থেকেই installed থাকে আর সেটা যদি upgraded version এর হয়, তাইলে যারা নতুন, তাদের অবস্থা কি হবে?  মোর পরীক্ষা শেষ হোক... খেয়ে দীপ সব...। >_<
[09:31] <AudaciousTUX> zodio ghum sara kisu korbo kina sondeho ache -_-
[09:34] <pavlushka> lol
[09:42] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: if cant or dont have time to deal with a problem, that's ok, but if you get yourself involved to fix some one's problem, stick around until the problem is solved and help wisely, carefully so that I can copy it later from the logs.
[09:42] <pavlushka> *you
[09:42] <AudaciousTUX> oka :)
[09:43] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: for my use :p
[09:47] <pavlushka> Welcome Kilos
[09:47] <Kilos> morning pavlushka and others
[09:48] <Kilos> sorry im late
[09:48] <Kilos> bad head day today and little sleep last night
[09:48] <pavlushka> np
[09:48] <Kilos> you ok lad?
[09:49] <pavlushka> yep
[09:51] <pavlushka> Kilos: you can still take a nap while being on IRC :p
[09:52] <Kilos> im on my destop and alerts here work so much better than on the lappy
[09:52] <pavlushka> like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:53] <Kilos> ill see how long i can stay awake, better to stay up now and sleep early and hopefully sleep well
[09:53] <Kilos> i battle with naps
[09:53] <Kilos> i feel worse after always
[09:54] <pavlushka> Kilos: I set alert for all messages for this channel, and then i switched off the speakers.
[09:54] <Kilos> lol
[09:55] <pavlushka> and wondering why i am not getting any alerts!!
[09:56] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:58] <Kilos> chat to ahmedas well. he is a clever person
[14:35] <pavlushka> Me and Electricity, both were gone, :p
[14:39] <Kilos> eish
[15:26] <zaki> hello everyone
[15:27] <AudaciousTUX> hello
[15:37] <Kilos> hi zaki AudaciousTUX
[15:38] <AudaciousTUX> hi Kilos
[17:05] <pavlushka> hellu AudaciousTUX !
[17:05] <AudaciousTUX> hellu pavlushka
[17:05] <pavlushka> How's your PI?
[17:06] <AudaciousTUX> sleeping
[17:07] <pavlushka> hmm
[17:22] <Kilos> night guys, im gonna crash
[17:35] <dipraw_> hi everyone
[17:35] <AudaciousTUX> hellow
[17:56] <dipraw_> so how are u? AudaciousTUX
[18:07] <zaki> hi dipraw_
[18:07] <dipraw_> HI zaki
[18:07] <dipraw_> whassup
[18:08] <zaki> how are you?
[18:33] <zaki> pavlushka: welcome back to #ubuntu-bd  :p
[18:34] <pavlushka> thanks and you to zaki :p
[18:35] <zaki> :) how are you? had dinner?
[18:38] <zaki> wb AudaciousTUX
[18:38] <AudaciousTUX> hellu again zaki  :p
[18:39] <zaki> hellu.. :D
[18:45] <zaki> pavlushka: having rough time with differential calculus
[18:46] <AudaciousTUX> :o
[18:46] <pavlushka> zaki: ok, tell me
[18:46] <pavlushka> Hello AudaciousTUX !
[18:46] <zaki> AudaciousTUX: kannar emo ta kemne dey?
[18:46] <pavlushka> and dipraw_ !
[18:47] <pavlushka> zaki: woa woa
[18:47] <AudaciousTUX> :'(
[18:48] <pavlushka> zaki: which part of differential calculus?
[18:48] <pavlushka> :'(
[18:48] <zaki> pavlushka: can you suggest me a good  book for Beginner
[18:48] <zaki> woa woa.. :'(
[18:48] <AudaciousTUX> for calculas??
[18:49] <AudaciousTUX> calculus*
[18:49] <zaki> yep
[18:50] <pavlushka> zaki: come to Neelkhet, and search for bengali Calculas book, like from Maidul
[18:50] <AudaciousTUX> Calculus by anton
[18:51] <pavlushka> zaki: if you look it for yourself , like Rahman & Vatyacharya
[18:51] <zaki> going to indigo frm is like dream to me. :(
[18:52] <pavlushka> why ?, I went there from Kushtia to buy books
[18:53] <zaki> Rolle's Theorem,Mean Value Theorem,Cauchy's Mean Value Theorem, :'( kicchu pari na, bugi na.
[18:54] <pavlushka> zaki: sorry, rahman and bhattacharjee is for Geometry,
[18:54] <zaki> co ordinet geometry?
[18:54] <pavlushka> zaki: yes
[18:55] <zaki> that's oky than, i need that one too.
[18:56] <pavlushka> zaki: you can check here https://bn.khanacademy.org/
[18:56] <zaki> pavlushka: i can search for those book here in ctg, "Nupur Market"
[18:57] <pavlushka> zaki: but the availability of various books is a challenge
[18:58] <zaki> hmm.
[18:59] <zaki> so which one for Calculus?  if rahman and bhattacharjee is for Geometry
[19:01] <dipraw_> um good zaki
[19:02] <zaki> dipraw_: (y)
[19:02] <dipraw_> what i didnt get it what u said!
[19:03] <AudaciousTUX> it means *thumbs up*
[19:03] <AudaciousTUX> @dipraw_:
[19:03] <zaki> he he..
[19:04] <dipraw_> oh yeah now i remember!! ha ha ha thanx AudaciousTUX
[19:07] <pavlushka> zaki: for books, if you prefer it in English, you can follow tanjim's advice, but if you are looking for a Bengali one, you have to look for you self, and by searching & shuffling, you will know which one is suitable for you.
[19:08] <zaki> oky. :)
[19:08] <zaki> thank you. pavlushka AudaciousTUX
[19:10] <AudaciousTUX> welq
[19:51] <AudaciousTUX> anyone alive??
[20:39] <zaki> QA: coffee on
[20:39]  * QA puts the kettle on
[20:43] <QA> Coffee's ready for zaki!
[21:01] <zaki> QA: ty
[21:01] <QA> Only a pleasure zaki
[22:06] <zaki> good night all. :)
[22:06] <zaki> QA: good night
[22:06] <QA> Good night zaki sleep tight


[09:50] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all, a user in #ubuntu recently found the !server factoid outdated, focal==>jammy and text cut off at the end, server channel missing
[12:11] <rbasak> !server
[12:11] <rbasak> !no server is <reply> Ubuntu Server is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments that ships with no GUI. Current !LTS version is !Jammy (Jammy Jellyfish 22.04) - More info: https://ubuntu.com/server - Guide:  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs - Support in #ubuntu-server
[12:12] <rbasak> tomreyn, lotuspsychje: ^ better?
[12:12] <rbasak> (needs moderation)
[12:13] <rbasak> Also ubuntu-server is an alias. I don't understand how those work. Does that need updating, too?
[12:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hello, I am trying to figure out why my ubuntu server fails to recieve an IP address from DHCP.
[12:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> All I did was reboot and it was working fine prior.
[12:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It is Ubuntu 18-04.
[12:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not seem to have a NetworkManager.service which seems to be needed, I am uncertain.
[12:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://devicetests.com/fixing-start-job-running-wait-network-configured-error-ubuntu-server
[12:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am looking at this thing.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> thank you rbasak looking good, the alias part the ops might better explain, im just the messenger :p
[13:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I end up with no dhcpoffers received.
[22:09] <tomreyn> rbasak: This should fix it, nice! In fact, we can use some variables so you don't need to update this factoid every LTS release: $curStable $curStableNum $curStableLong $curStableLower
[22:10] <tomreyn> !notes
[22:10] <tomreyn> ^is actually: !notes is <reply> Ubuntu $curStableNum ($curStableLong) release notes can be found at https://ubottu.com/y/$curStableLower
[22:11] <tomreyn> and
[22:11] <tomreyn> !lts
[22:12] <tomreyn> ... is really: !lts is <reply> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !$curLTS ($curLTSLong $curLTSNum). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information.
[22:12] <tomreyn> so we can rephrase your suggestion:
[22:13] <tomreyn> this:           !no server is <reply> Ubuntu Server is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments that ships with no GUI. Current !LTS version is !Jammy (Jammy Jellyfish 22.04) - More info: https://ubuntu.com/server - Guide:  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs - Support in #ubuntu-server
[22:15] <tomreyn> becomes this: !no server is <reply> Ubuntu Server is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments that ships with no GUI. Current !LTS version is !!$curLTS ($curLTSLong $curLTSNum) - More info: https://ubuntu.com/server - Guide:  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs - Support in #ubuntu-server
[22:16] <tomreyn> and !server is not really an alias by itself, no. !ubuntu-server is an alias for !server, though.
[22:18] <tomreyn> so we got this now:
[22:18] <tomreyn> !server
[22:19] <tomreyn> dang, double exclamation mark
[22:20] <patdk-lap> !!Jammy
[22:20] <patdk-lap> double jammed
[22:20] <tomreyn> fixed. if you'd like more changes, please point them out in #ubuntu-bots (or here, if you prefer the channel to get more spam from me)


[04:14] <mup> Bug #1633663 opened: Unlink interfaces creates a new link <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633663>
[05:28] <ai114> Hi! I've just a (maybe stupid) question. Do I have to run the MAAS all the time or is it possible to deploy the OS on all the nodes and then shutdown the MAAS? What happens if I start the MASS again - will I see the nodes?
[06:18] <spaok> ai114: MAAS tends to be be DHCP and DNS for the nodes, so you would need to account for that lost
[06:20] <spaok> the new MAAS/Juju 2.0 HA uses DNS in MAAS, so that would also be lost
[06:20] <ai114> spaok: THANK you!
[06:20] <spaok> you can run MAAS ina container if you are trying to save resources
[06:21] <ai114> that's a good idea!
[06:21] <spaok> my dev env is MAAS in a container and a management VM, Juju VM, and two comp VMs in KVM, then the nova compute uses LXD
[06:21] <spaok> works pretty good
[06:25] <ai114> Thanks again - your config should work for me too.
[09:57] <mup> Bug #1633696 opened: regiond log leaks a lot of twisted <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633696>
[12:39] <mup> Bug #1633717 opened: DHCP probe reports 'failure' when its really just completed <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633717>
[12:57] <mup> Bug #1633726 opened: rackd tftp logging leaks a lot of python-isms <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633726>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1633727 opened: connectionpool leaks python-isms in log <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633727>
[18:30] <mup> Bug #1633763 opened: MAAS wants to do a dhcp probe on a slave interface in a bond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633763>
[18:30] <mup> Bug #1633764 opened: MAAS dhcp probes on an internal bridge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633764>
[19:25] <mup> Bug #1633763 changed: MAAS wants to do a dhcp probe on a slave interface in a bond <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633763>
[19:25] <mup> Bug #1633764 changed: MAAS dhcp probes on an internal bridge <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633764>
[22:57] <moparlakci> ola


[19:17] <passingthrough> Evening all, just wanted to say. Although I'm not using UbuntuStudio (Linux mint since I'm a gamer), I'm stunned how far music production has went on this platform, so good job all tehnomancers.
[19:18] <passingthrough> Was rather exiting to just plug in a Midi-sythetisator in, and see that it works just like that.
[19:22] <OvenWerks> Good to hear
[19:25] <passingthrough> Might format my old laptop and install UStudio there, if I end up getting more serious about this. Bye! :)
[21:05] <Kraus> Quick question if I may! It's my understanding there's no direct upgrade path from UbuntuStudio 20.04 to 20.10 due to the switchover to KDE Plasma.. but I just suddenly got a pop-up inviting me to upgrade to 20.10. Should I ignore that?
[21:20] <OvenWerks> Kraus: I really don't know
[21:21] <OvenWerks> It would be interesting to do a fresh 20.04 install all the updates and then do an upgrade.
[21:21] <OvenWerks> My feeling would be to ignore it
[21:24] <OvenWerks> The popup does not know if the upgrade will work or not, just current version is less than available version
[21:40]  * Kraus nodnods
[21:40] <Kraus> Yeah, I just denied the request. I'll eventually be in the position to do a clean install but not yet.
[21:41] <Kraus> Is KDE Plasma on the same line of code as XFCE or entirely different? I'm not familiar with it.
[22:08] <Kraus> Er, codebase, I should clarify
[22:24] <dax> no, they're entirely separate projects


[02:12] <bluesabre> Unit193, look good to you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1668821
[02:23] <Unit193> Sure, perhaps get someone from studio to ACK.
[02:28] <bluesabre> Seemingly lubuntu as well
[02:28] <Unit193> Eh..
[02:28] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [shimmer-themes-debian] r18 Update packaging for Numix theme (by Sean Davis)
[02:29] <bluesabre> Who are our normal contacts for those now?
[02:29] <Unit193> wxl, krytarik, sakrecoer: ↑
[02:31] <bluesabre> thanks
[02:31] <bluesabre> going to wander off for a bit now
[02:31] <Unit193> Cool, have fun.
[08:07] <flocculant> ochosi: built gtk3 panel in vm - using default panel location I *do* see the panel flicker you talk of - but I need to be almost out of the top of the panel to trigger it - also confirm there not being able to move plugins
[08:09]  * flocculant normally has panel in bottom left corner - shrunk down to 1 pixel auto resize
[08:26] <flocculant> you must have wondered how I wasn't see something so pronounced ;)
[09:22] <ochosi> flocculant: ok, it's just one more (minor) thing i have to fix
[10:12] <Unit193> cyphermox: I don't suppose you'll be doing a late devscripts merge? :>  Some delta has been fixed upstream.
[12:20] <bluesabre> flocculant, akxwi-dave, wxl, sakrecoer, if you would like to review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1668821 and potentially ack it for zesty :)
[12:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: done by me
[12:23] <bluesabre> suppose I'll go ahead and sub -release
[12:23] <flocculant> best to I guess :)
[12:24] <bluesabre> oh
[12:24] <bluesabre> Unit193 already did
[12:24] <flocculant> sneaky :p
[12:24] <flocculant> you only look a bit silly :)
[12:24]  * bluesabre is happy with his dev team
[12:24] <flocculant> :D
[12:29]  * flocculant thinks he should install any gtk3 stuffs in the vm
[14:47] <Perigee> Hi everyone, I would like to help out with Xubuntu development. I'm thinking QA testing to start. Could someone help get me setup to do so?
[14:49] <slickymasterWork> hello Perigee, the best place for you to start is to have a read at the QA section of the Xubuntu contributors documentation: http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-tester.html
[14:49] <flocculant> hi Perigee - quick first question
[14:49] <Perigee> flocculant: Shoot
[14:50] <flocculant> Perigee: can you test on hardware - running the dev version (which is pretty much completely stable now) or do you intend to test thing in a vm?
[14:51] <flocculant> this late in the cycle - I'd prefer people who are brave enough to do some real world testing :)
[14:51] <Perigee> I can do either. I have a few different laptops I can test on, and at least one desktop, maybe two
[14:51] <flocculant> awesome
[14:52] <flocculant> so best way to start is grab the daily and install that - we have a few official ppa's we use to
[14:53] <Perigee> ok, what do I need to do about the ppa's?
[14:53] <flocculant> for a bit more detail - you can look at the dev docs which slickymasterWork posted (there are actually 3 'tester' chapters - first one deals with setting up
[14:53] <Perigee> Ok will do
[14:53] <flocculant> http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ chapters - 4 to 6
[14:54] <flocculant> I'm pretty much around for a few hours now - akxwi-dave is the other qa lead - so either of us will be able to help with specifics - anyone is likely to help with less specific stuff
[14:55] <Perigee> Great, I'll read through that and get the basics setup.
[14:55] <flocculant> okey doke
[14:58] <flocculant> Perigee: dual booting is a useful half-way - I kind of do that - if dual booting can be used to describe having 6 options :D
[15:00] <Perigee> flocculant: Been there myself with the hexabooting at times. :) I remember back in my Gentoo days (2004 era or so) I had a huge list... just trying to get things to work
[15:01] <flocculant> :)
[15:01] <flocculant> good choice of word there too :D
[15:09] <cyphermox> Unit193: what would it bring us? I'm not sure it's that big of a deal...
[15:11] <cyphermox> Unit193: tbf, before looking at the merge, we should fix that issue with the autopkgtests not passing on some architectures
[15:11] <cyphermox> (because otherwise it wouldn't transition anyway)
[16:27] <flocculant> knome akxwi-dave - updating of http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa at https://xubuntu.org/?p=4279&preview=true
[16:28] <flocculant> knome: 5 attempts to login today before I had more than my profile - really must talk to IS about that :p
[16:33] <knome> hmmh
[16:33] <knome> right
[16:34] <knome> that's weirdish
[16:34] <knome> i'll try to debug it with you later today to see if $something helps
[16:34] <flocculant> aah ok
[16:34] <knome> but it's not "much" i can do
[16:35] <knome> and i believe there's not much more IS can do...
[16:35] <flocculant> well
[16:35] <flocculant> it worked first time before
[16:35] <flocculant> so 'something' has changed :D
[16:36] <knome> heh
[16:36] <knome> maybe
[16:36] <knome> anyway, coffee time, bbl
[16:36] <flocculant> :)
[16:54] <Perigee> flocculant: I've gone through the doc chapters, signed up for the various resources. I just got a VM running the daily ISO + PPA's. Is there a rigid testing regimen that needs to happen each day/week and be reported somewhere as success/failure? I understand the bug reporting aspect.
[16:54] <genii> mmm coffee
[16:59] <flocculant> Perigee: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/369/builds alphabetical - right at the bottom
[17:00] <flocculant> the only thing we do specifically is iso testing this cycle
[17:00] <flocculant> sometimes we do package testing - mostly when dev wants something testing or it's lts cycle
[17:01] <flocculant> hi genii :)
[17:03] <Perigee> flocculant: Ok I see now. Is that what I should focus on then? Running those test procedures for the various ISO's and reporting via the tracker there? (On various hardware of course)
[17:03] <genii> flocculant: Salutations
[17:04] <flocculant> Perigee: to be honest - the greatest value for 'me' is people that run the dev version daily in use
[17:04] <flocculant> much of the iso stuff is common - so if there's an issue - it would be *buntu not just us
[17:05] <flocculant> particular things like lock breaking are issues we keep seeing - but that's not likely to break again this cycle
[17:05] <Perigee> flocculant: Got it, and doing that throughout my day would be reported just with bug reports if any are found, right?
[17:05] <flocculant> yup - though check for dupes first
[17:05] <Perigee> flocculant: Ok then, makes sense.
[17:05] <flocculant> Perigee: and check upstream https://bugzilla.xfce.org/ too
[17:06] <flocculant> could be it's reported there and not on lp
[17:07] <flocculant> I tend to find issues just doing what I do normally ... 'mmm that didn't do that last week'
[17:07] <Perigee> Ok, I'll certainly get my main laptop running the daily
[17:08] <flocculant> Perigee: that would be great :)
[17:11] <flocculant> Perigee: this late in the cycle little is going to change - and oops moments are unlikely
[17:11] <Perigee> flocculant: Ok, you should see me on the Launchpad team and elsewhere in Ubuntu-land as "crouthamela / Andrew Crouthamel".
[17:12] <flocculant> if you stick around (which I hope) starting using the dev cycle on release+ 1 day like I do can see a few hiccups - hence the multi-boot scenario but rarely am I more than a short while outside
[17:12] <flocculant> ok cool - nice to meet you :)
[17:13] <Perigee> :)
[17:14] <flocculant> but to be honest - the times that packages landing completely breaking are few now - changes in the way packages land and testing by canonical are different than they were I believe
[17:14] <Perigee> So they're more careful now?
[17:14] <flocculant> seems so
[17:15] <knome> there have been several instances where uploading after freezes have been made much "harder" (for justified reasons), and i think this has started paying off
[17:15] <flocculant> well - not perhaps careful, but proposed is usually disabled - you could break your system more often by using that repo if you wanted too
[17:15] <flocculant> knome: ack
[17:15] <knome> so developers aren't maybe any more careful, but the archive admins and release team are more cautious about late uploads ;)
[17:16] <Perigee> ahh
[17:16] <flocculant> I think in the last couple of cycles - lock has been problematic - but not unusable
[17:16] <flocculant> more likely to see issues actually during install than anything else
[19:29] <knome> flocculant, around?
[19:33] <knome> slickymaster, around?
[19:36] <flocculant> knome: yea
[19:36] <flocculant> for a while - then bbl
[19:36] <knome> oh
[19:36] <knome> give me 5 mins
[19:37] <flocculant> actually - bbl later noq, was waiting for M to return :)
[19:37] <chatter29> hey guys
[19:37] <knome> heh
[19:37] <knome> hello chatter29
[19:38] <chatter29> allah is doing
[19:38] <knome> flocculant, ok, so look at https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/contributor-docs/contributor/C/
[19:38] <knome> flocculant, does the QA ToC structure make sense like this?
[19:39] <knome> flocculant, and: would you rather see even more subsection titles there (under testing infra etc.) or is this good enough?
[19:45] <akxwi-dave> :-) that looks good knome
[19:46] <knome> oh obviously akxwi-dave needs to ack too
[19:46] <knome> ok, i'll look into getting things sorted so that the different subsections can still have their own pages but appear as subitems like this
[19:46] <akxwi-dave> actually it
[19:46] <knome> it what? :)
[19:47] <akxwi-dave> looks really good
[19:47] <knome> heh, ok, good good
[19:47] <knome> i'm planning to land some more stuff on documentation, likely also subsections, so need to do this in order to keep things clean
[19:47] <akxwi-dave> and evenin
[19:47] <knome> hullo hullo!
[19:51] <knome> ahh great, incremental config for contributors <3
[21:24] <flocculant> knome: yea - as akxwi-dave says looks good
[21:31] <knome> now to beat docbook as long as it does what i want...
[21:31]  * flocculant hands knome the beating stick
[21:31] <knome> i have my hammer out...
[21:31] <flocculant> possibbly too much :p
[21:32] <knome> nah
[21:32] <knome> i might need bigger tools
[21:36] <Unit193> cyphermox: And ah fun.  Didn't see anything that'd fix the gpg2 fun.
[21:38] <flocculant> knome: as far as subsections goes - the fewer the better imo
[21:40] <knome> mhm
[21:40] <knome> i've almost got what i want...
[21:40] <knome> but not quite
[21:41] <flocculant> :)
[21:43] <knome> hmph.
[21:43] <knome> now i'm at least getting the subsections i want printed
[21:44] <knome> (and nothing more)
[21:47] <knome> how important do you think it is to be able to get the subsections into separate pages?
[21:47] <flocculant> to print?
[21:48] <knome> like, http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-testing.html
[21:48] <flocculant> oh you mean like when dev finishes and docs starts? I'd ay quite
[21:48] <knome> nope, the subsections of *qa*
[21:49] <knome> i understand this will be quite a long page if they are all in one...
[21:49] <knome> basically, whole qa stuff would appear on one html page
[21:49] <flocculant> mmm - better if they do - but *I* would be more likely to print the whole of it - others maybe not
[21:49] <knome> i'll look into it then
[21:55] <slickymaster> am now, knome :)
[21:55] <slickymaster> evening all
[21:55] <knome> oki
[21:55] <knome> so basically see the discussion with flocculant aboce
[21:55] <knome> above too
[21:55] <slickymaster> already saw
[21:56] <slickymaster> and I do agree with flocculant
[21:56] <knome> above too
[21:56] <knome> hmm, oops
[21:56] <slickymaster> regarding avoiding large html pages
[21:57] <slickymaster> and do +1 your subsections idea, knome
[21:59] <knome> hmm, so every sect1 should be a chunk...
[22:00] <slickymaster> not sure I understand what you mean, knome
[22:01] <slickymaster> to what do you refer by sect1?
[22:01] <knome> you don't have to
[22:01] <knome> i'm just saying it aloud for my personal reference later :P
[22:01] <slickymaster> lol
[22:02] <flocculant> knome: not sure how the sub-sectioning is working but Dispute Resolution on strategy should be a section - not sub-section of development
[22:02] <flocculant> unless we think dev cause all the issues :p
[22:02] <knome> well that's a content issue, not a technical one
[22:03] <knome> i'm mostly poking the technical stuff today
[22:03] <flocculant> assumed as much - just making sure now rather than in 6 months :D
[22:04] <knome> actually i think the issue is just that "Development" is a clumsy section title; it should be more like "contributing" or sth
[22:04] <knome> because if you look at the content/context, it all is general for everything, not just code contributions
[22:06] <flocculant> or communication - cos that's what the majority is about - then sub-section comms would need another name
[22:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: did I say that seek in parole was a bit broken?
[22:10] <flocculant> knome: next time I'm trying to login to x.org I'll grab utc time too - then I'll go see IS and report it - having an actual time should help
[22:10] <flocculant> in the meantime - I'm off - night all
[22:10] <slickymaster> night flocculant
[22:24] <cyphermox> Unit193: if there's something you need though, it's a different story
[22:34] <knome> because if you look at the content/context, it all is general for everything, not just code contributions
[22:34] <Unit193> cyphermox: Better handling of buildinfo files (for when one is building Debian packages) and git-deborig looked interesting, but not enough for you to drop everything else for 'em.
[22:35] <knome> oops again
[22:35] <knome> i'll move the irc window elsewhere...


[13:20] <kyrofa> cjwatson, the snap builders are dreamy by the way. My only complaint is that the proxy is a little flaky sometimes (I get errors about it needing authentication sometimes)
[13:20] <kyrofa> cjwatson, any chance the snap builders are somehow exposed in the python API?
[13:21] <cjwatson> flaky> do file bugs about that kind of thing with specific references.  it may be that the timeout is too low
[13:21] <cjwatson> kyrofa: API> how do you mean?
[13:22] <kyrofa> cjwatson, can I request a snap to be built from a script after I push instead of having to login and do it?
[13:22] <kyrofa> (via the website)
[13:23] <cjwatson> kyrofa: absolutely - https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#snap-requestBuild
[13:23] <kyrofa> cjwatson, yessss
[13:24] <kyrofa> cjwatson, nice work :)
[13:24] <cjwatson> we tend to do API first when it's reasonable to do so
[13:25] <cjwatson> auth tokens are supposed to live for 15 minutes after the build is dispatched
[13:26] <cjwatson> if the error was after that point, we may need to tweak the timeout; if it was before that point, something more complicated is wrong
[14:20] <chrisr_> I am strugglyng for several days now to upload a new cpp-ethereum package to https://launchpad.net/~ethereum/+archive/ubuntu/ethereum . A similar package works for another sub-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ethereum/+archive/ubuntu/ethereum-dev
[14:20] <chrisr_> Now I uploaded the package manually https://gist.github.com/chriseth/2283063b62adaf687a7e5b47e0efe4d6 - but I neither see it on the website nor did I get a rejection mail
[14:21] <chrisr_> is it possible that the package is blocked from building?
[14:21] <chrisr_> (sorry, I don't have access to the main email address that is associated with that ppa)
[14:25] <dobey> was the source package signed with a key that is expired (or just not signed)?
[14:25] <chrisr_> the packages that are working and the ones that are not working use the same script just with different parameters
[14:25] <chrisr_> ah, but I might not have uploaded my key for the manual upload
[14:33] <chrisr_> For such an error, do I have to increment the version number?
[14:39] <dobey> no
[14:39] <dobey> because the packages wer enot uploaded
[14:44] <chrisr_> ok, uploaded with dput -f 10 minutes ago and still no email and nothing on https://launchpad.net/~ethereum/+archive/ubuntu/ethereum/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all (note the package is called cpp-ethereum) :-(
[14:51] <cjwatson> 2016-04-04 14:37:19 INFO    Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20160404-143622-029858/~ethereum/ethereum/cpp-ethereum_1.2.3~trusty-0ubuntu4_source.changes': GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.ne
[14:51] <cjwatson> t/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20160404-143622-029858/~ethereum/ethereum/cpp-ethereum_1.2.3~trusty-0ubuntu4_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public
[14:51] <cjwatson> key')"]
[14:51] <cjwatson> are you sure you signed it, and that the key you signed it with is associated with your LP account?
[14:52] <cjwatson> may also be worth retrying given that you only uploaded the key today; it could have taken the keyserver a while to notice
[14:52] <cjwatson> is http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?fingerprint=on&op=index&search=0x3767635665B80533C6D94F09495C57E6E7A63463 the right key?
[14:54] <chrisr_> yes, it's the right key
[14:55] <chrisr_> "retrying" is "dput -f" or increment version suffix + dput?
[14:55] <chrisr_> I associated the key only afterwards, so that might very well be it
[14:55] <chrisr_> (though the original issue with our automation not being able to create packages is a different thing)
[14:58] <cjwatson> dput -f
[14:58] <cjwatson> dobey is right that you don't need to change the version number since the upload wasn't actually processed
[15:07] <chrisr_> still neither mail nor info on the ppa
[15:45] <Laney> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/i18n/ doesn't contain Translation-* for non-en but other releases do - bug?
[15:45] <mvo> hi, I wonder what happend to my upload of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddtp-translations/20160323.1 ?
[15:45] <Laney> ha
[15:45] <Laney> cjwatson: ^- fallout from recent work?
[15:46] <cjwatson> it's possible.  I don't have time to look today - could you file a bug?
[15:46] <Laney> okay
[15:47] <mvo> could you do that Laney? I'm still in a meeting, I would be very thankful
[15:47] <Laney> ok
[16:04]  * mvo hugs Laney
[18:29] <pouet12345> hello
[18:30] <pouet12345> is there debian packages for launchpad server ?
[18:30] <pouet12345> .deb
[18:30] <dobey> no
[18:31] <dobey> launchpad isn't really designed to be run externally from launchpad.net
[18:32] <pouet12345> is it opensource ?
[18:32] <pouet12345> dobey, ok so it's similar to github rules ?
[18:33] <pouet12345> only open source projects are free
[18:33] <pouet12345> in fact I am looking for something similar to github for my private use
[18:33] <pouet12345> on my machines
[18:35] <dobey> i don't know what rules you're talking about
[18:35] <dobey> launchpad the software is open source
[18:35] <dobey> it's simply not built to be run as a private instance (it's not really supported to do so)
[19:00] <exfalso> hi, first time ppa user. I'm trying to upload a package using dput. It successfully finished with `Successfully uploaded packages.`, exit code 0, however no email was sent and it didn't appear on launchpad. Then I realized I didn't add my gpg key. I did this now, verified it etc, but not sure how to proceed. dput now says `Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net`, but it's not
[19:00] <wxl> hey i'm intending to deactivate https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa/+mailinglist but how can i get the archives to save them?
[19:00] <exfalso> there
[19:02] <nacc> exfalso: you can force it, but it might complain that the version is not good, as lp tends to enforce that the versions change
[19:02] <nacc> exfalso: it's just seeing the .upload file in the cwd, iirc
[19:03] <exfalso> nacc: good stuff, i just removed the .upload and now it uploaded again
[19:08] <tgm4883> Shouldn't this have died after a timeout  https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubuntu/master-building/+build/9528998
[19:17] <dobey> exfalso: if you didn't get an e-mail, then most likely the source package was not signed, or was signed with a key that launchpad doesn't know about
[19:36] <cjwatson> tgm4883: there's a bug in the timeout handling that unfortunately some builds run into if they leave processes lying around after the build.  You should have a "cancel build" link
[19:36] <cjwatson> it's a known bug but quite hard to fix (requires migrating launchpad-buildd from sbuild's sudo mode to schroot mode)
[19:37] <tgm4883> cjwatson: ok thanks for the info. I just cancelled it, just wanted to verify it wasn't super weird I should be worried about
[19:37] <cjwatson> it is super weird but it is a piece of super weirdness we know about ;-)
[19:38] <cjwatson> and not just you
[22:42] <oparoz> Is there a good guide on setting up a git project on launchpad?
[22:53] <blr> hi oparoz, this is what we have currently https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git
[22:54] <oparoz> Thanks blr. It doesn't work for me as git bash is not connecting. It keeps asking for my passphrase and then gives me a fatal: Could not read from remote repository
[22:55] <oparoz> blr Not sure if there is anything to do before being able to push or even fetch
[22:56] <blr> oparoz: do you have an ssh key associated with your user?
[22:57] <oparoz> blr, yes I do
[22:57] <oparoz> blr I have a .ssh/config with Host git.launchpad.net
[22:57] <oparoz> blr IdentityFile and User as well
[22:58] <blr> and you're pushing to git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/project-name?
[22:58] <oparoz> blr: I did a: $ git remote add launchpad git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/oc-snap
[22:59] <oparoz> blr and git fetch launchpad
[22:59] <blr> and `git push launchpad master` fails?
[23:00] <oparoz> blr. Yes, same problem after the 3 failed password, I get: Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
[23:00] <oparoz> blr, I'm on Windows btw..
[23:01] <blr> hmm okay, this is on msysgit?
[23:01] <oparoz> blr - Does the comment in the public key need to match something locally?
[23:02] <oparoz> blr: It's called git bash and using MINGW64
[23:03] <oparoz> blr: The same repo is pushing to Github
[23:04] <wgrant> oparoz: What happens if you enter the right password?
[23:04] <wgrant> Failing the key's password prompts won't get you very far.
[23:04] <oparoz> wgrant: The password is fine, it's just being refused by the remote server
[23:04] <wgrant> oparoz: git.launchpad.net's SSH server will never ask for a password.
[23:04] <wgrant> It only accepts key authentication.
[23:05] <wgrant> Any password prompt is a local thing.
[23:05] <oparoz> wgrant: What I mean is that it shoult be authenticated locally and pushing something to be validated on the server, which is not recognized
[23:05] <wgrant> But you say that the permission denied error from the server only occurs after three failed password attempts.
[23:06] <wgrant> Those password attempts must be to unlock the key; if you fail them all it's not going to work.
[23:06] <oparoz> wgrant: I can load the key in pageant per example, I'm being asked for a password and it's accepted the first time
[23:06] <oparoz> wgrant: Maybe it's a local problem with the password not being properly validated by git bash
[23:07] <wgrant> That seems most likely, unless your Launchpad username is misconfigured in your client.
[23:08] <oparoz> wgrant: It does have a hyphen, should that be escaped?
[23:12] <wgrant> oparoz: Shouldn't need to be.
[23:12] <wgrant> oparoz: What happens if you ssh -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:14] <oparoz> wgrant: exact same thing
[23:14] <oparoz>  Authenticating to git.launchpad.net:22 as 'olivier-interfasys'
[23:14] <oparoz> Host 'git.launchpad.net' is known and matches the RSA host key.
[23:14] <oparoz> Authentications that can continue: publickey
[23:15] <oparoz>  Trying private key
[23:15] <oparoz> wgrant: must be local decoding
[23:16] <oparoz> wgrant: Maybe the key needs to be converted
[23:16] <oparoz> Nah, it would get rejected from the start
[23:17] <oparoz> wgrant: I should have generated the key using openssh...
[23:19] <oparoz> wgrant: Yeah, that was it...
[23:19] <oparoz> Thank you wgrant and lbr for your help
[23:19] <wgrant> oparoz: What was the problem?
[23:20] <oparoz> wgrant: I had forgotten, when I import server keys, they're in the OpenSSH format and work fine, but I followed the launchpad ssh keys guide for Windows
[23:21] <oparoz> wgrant: And it assumes people are going to use the putty suite only
[23:22] <oparoz> wgrant: But git bash and most dev tools will use ~/.ssh
[23:24] <wgrant> oparoz: Ah, right. Those instructions predate git support, so it possibly makes sense to revise them.
[23:26] <oparoz> wgrant: Yeah, a little addendum mentioning how to use those keys with software which don't use pageant
[23:28] <oparoz> wgrant: But it's disappointing that the error message wasn't clearer. It should detect that the format of the key is wrong. One app gave me a hint, but I didn't understand it. It said the aes256-cbc wasn't supported...
[23:29] <wgrant> Sounds like an OpenSSH problem.
[23:29] <oparoz> wgrant: Indeed
[23:32] <oparoz> But it's really cool to be able to build snaps fro Launchpad
[23:32] <ajmitch_> wgrant: LP is now rejecting dsa ssh keys now, right?
[23:35] <ajmitch_> either that or it's the client-side ssh configuration for me after upgrading to xenial
[23:42] <oparoz> Is there some information on the building infrastructure? I see "arm64 armel armhf (virtual)" and was wondering on what type of metal this was running
[23:45] <wgrant> oparoz: They're arm64 OpenStack instances on HPE Moonshot m400 cartridges.
[23:46] <cjwatson> ajmitch_: LP isn't, but xenial's OpenSSH client no longer sends them.  http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html
[23:47] <cjwatson> (LP possibly should)
[23:48] <ajmitch_> cjwatson: yeah, I'd noticed that it was no longer accepting them, I wasn't sure whether the LP key rejection was client-side or not
[23:48] <ajmitch_> I am finding it's not accepting ecdsa or ed25519 public keys though, haven't checked for an LP bug yet
[23:49] <cjwatson> ajmitch_: That's known; the libraries we use aren't up to the job yet.
[23:49] <ajmitch_> alright
[23:49] <cjwatson> RSA > DSA
[23:49] <oparoz> Thank you wgrant
[23:49] <cjwatson> So switch to 4096-bit RSA as a starting point
[23:51] <cjwatson> ajmitch_: (LP doesn't use a standard OpenSSH server or similar, because we need much more control over what users are allowed to do, how they're authenticated, etc.; some of our endpoints even implement custom SFTP filesystem namespaces.  So we use Twisted for that, but some of its crypto still needs some improvement.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/907675)
[23:51] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 907675 in Launchpad itself "Add support for ECDSA and Ed25519 SSH keys" [Low,Triaged]
[23:54] <ajmitch_> right, I'd known it was a custom ssh server, hopefully twisted can catch up


[00:09] <doctormo> paultag: wifi on the bus, if I were on a dataplan I wouldn't have to share with the youtube yokels.
[00:11] <paultag> doctormo: it can't be worse then 3G
[00:11]  * pleia2 chuckles at "youtube yokels"
[00:11] <doctormo> paultag: Never had it so can't tell, it waivers between 16 and 3kbs though.
[00:12] <paultag> doctormo: still doing better then dialup over cell
[00:12] <pleia2> there is a guy who comes to one of the lugs around here and doesn't have internet at home, he: 1) complains that all public wifi is slow 2) admits to torrenting the whole time he's on public wifi because he doesn't have a tv either
[00:12]  * pleia2 headdesk
[00:12] <paultag> doh!!!
[00:12] <paultag> pleia2: PA or out west?
[00:12] <pleia2> out west
[00:12] <pleia2> you know berkeley people, buncha nutters :)
[00:13] <paultag> aye aye
[00:16] <paultag> doctormo: fight back! Listen to youtube yourself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBoOb2WafM
[00:17] <paultag> doctormo: more! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
[00:20] <paultag> first one is awesome, second is great too
[01:05] <doctormo> pleia2: Your friend sounds like he should set of a media anarchist collective.
[03:11] <doctormo> paultag: Arrived, just in case I disappear before I arrive tomorrow :-)
[03:12] <paultag> doctormo: yuppers :)
[03:12] <paultag> doctormo: say hi to my buddies, will ya?
[03:13] <doctormo> paultag, czajkowski: I've hacked out a basic blog entry linker for the loco website while I was on the bus. The idea is to give a space for people who run events to do one of two things. Link to the blog or wiki page where their event's report is, or write a short amount in the entry it's self.
[03:14] <paultag> doctormo: is this a long-winded plot to not do team reports?
[03:14] <doctormo> It's not pushed or committed yet, I'm playing with how to make it smooth to use and easy to tie to what ever people are using. I guess it would appear sort of like a simple planet but tied to event entries in the loco directory.
[03:15] <paultag> doctormo: I think it's a good idea, but it's duplicate work, the team reports do that :/
[03:15] <doctormo> paultag: How can it be? I'm not my loco's contact any more. Actually it's what I said I would do.
[03:15] <paultag> doctormo: and the team reports are Ubuntu std, so we can't change on the LoCo level, we'd have to change on the Ubuntu community level
[03:15] <paultag> doctormo: Aye, I know
[03:16] <paultag> doctormo: just beware spending time on something that will be outside the workflow :(
[03:16] <doctormo> Well we can discuss the ins and outs of the politics if you want. I was thinking more of technical thought right now.
[03:16] <pleia2> paultag: people really do hate writing team reports :\
[03:17] <pleia2> nhandler has been the champion of it for quite some time, it's gotten better but as soon as you stop nudging people they stop doing it
[03:17] <paultag> pleia2: yeah I know
[03:17] <paultag> pleia2: I am baddddd-d at doing them
[03:17] <pleia2> I think any solution to facilitate them is worth trying
[03:18] <paultag> mm
[03:22] <doctormo> paultag, czajkowski: what is currently the data flow for reports?
[03:22] <paultag> doctormo: it's outlined on the wiki
[03:23] <doctormo> I mean all of it, from loco contact to mark's report book. you seemed to be saying that we couldn't change any part of it because it's a chain of things.
[03:23] <paultag> doctormo: check the wiki, or ask nhandler. I don't know the setup well
[03:23] <paultag> and that's why it's nice :)
[03:23] <doctormo> paultag: what is?
[03:24] <paultag> what is what?
[03:24] <paultag> my last sentince? the object of my last sentince, the setup, witch is a reference to my last sentince about reports
[03:24] <paultag> which *
[03:25] <paultag> darn, I need sleep
[03:42]  * nigelb yawns
[03:42] <nigelb> pleia2: people are lazy or forget about team reports
[03:42] <nigelb> duanedesign: thanks.  It was risky and I just gave it a shot
[03:43] <nigelb> doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[03:44] <paultag> Anyone know autotools?
[03:44] <paultag> I've got quite frustrated with it. Considered writting my own build system out of spite
[03:45] <nigelb> lol @ 'out of spite'
[03:45] <doctormo> paultag: The best thing to do is have a week of sleep with the autotools manual under your pillow.
[03:45] <paultag> doctormo: learning by osmosis I guess
[03:56] <duanedesign> nigelb: heh, i know that feeling. Glad it turned out well
[03:58] <duanedesign> nigelb: we have combined the OKlahoma LoCo and Tulsa LUG monthly meetings. There started to be months were no one showed up. The Tulsa lUG has a solid group that shows up every month so it works out nice.
[03:58] <paultag> duanedesign: I miss Old_Solder
[03:59] <duanedesign> paultag: heh, i am suprised he has not resurfaced
[03:59] <paultag> duanedesign: I called his house and got in touch with him
[03:59] <duanedesign> i remember that
[03:59] <paultag> duanedesign: this was for the UBT Reunion nhandler and I had planned
[04:00] <paultag> duanedesign: Yeah, I'm bummed. I even had CK willing to send him a new computer
[04:00] <paultag> duanedesign: because his broked
[04:00] <duanedesign> paultag: i cant imagine contributing as much as he did and not ever wanting to get involved again when things got better
[04:00] <paultag> +1 duanedesign. I think it was a planned exit
[04:01] <paultag> duanedesign: I don't think he expected my call. It's OK, live and let live, but I think he is trying to stay out
[04:06] <duanedesign> paultag: yeah, i am sure he has his reasons
[04:07] <paultag> duanedesign: Aye. Best not pry.
[04:08] <duanedesign>   paultag: no excuses! only one way out of the community! Blood in blood out! :D
[04:10] <paultag> duanedesign: seeing as how there is a gang that calls them self the locos, we should be careful with that
[04:10] <paultag> duanedesign: they are big in OK too IIRC
[04:10] <nigelb> lol
[04:12] <duanedesign> haha.
[04:21] <Pendulum> I'm at a wedding this weekend and 2 different people have come into my hotel room and gone "you have Tux!" and then I've had to pry them away from my Tux
[04:22] <nigelb> haha
[04:23] <Pendulum> yeah
[04:24] <Pendulum> I thought it was going to get more love than i did, but then I caught the bouquet which made my evening far more amusing than planned
[04:24] <nigelb> whooo!
[08:12] <vish> ooh! tabs in gedit are detachable! never noticed that one!
[08:23] <nigelb> vish: what are your plans for global jam?
[08:32] <vish> nigelb: hmm , plans?
[08:32] <vish> nigelb: whats yours ? maybe i can copy :D
[08:37] <nigelb> vish: we're planning for a meetup that day
[08:37] <nigelb> wanna join us?
[08:37] <nigelb> saturday 28th
[08:39] <vish> nigelb: havent been to B'lore in a while.. will think about it.. not sure though :)
[08:46] <nigelb> vish: ok, think of it.  we have a location that can accomodate at least 30 people
[14:05] <sense> GUADEC 2010 Hate/Love Wall pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qense/tags/hatelovewall/
[14:34] <nigelb> sense: whats swith the love for vincent untz?
[14:35] <nigelb> s/swith/with
[14:35] <sense> nigelb: I guess he's the dholbach of GNOME. :P
[14:35] <nigelb> hahaha
[14:35] <nigelb> I particularly like the "people who post +1s" and the +1 immediately after it.
[14:37] <nigelb> lol @ KDE in hate
[14:38] <nigelb> also "LP bug watch for love/hate board is missing"
[14:38] <sense> yeah :)
[14:39] <sense> We need to add a way to watch a bug's status on the Hate/Love Wall in Launchpad.
[14:52] <sense> akgraner: What was the link to the "Ubuntu News Team is looking for you!" thing?
[14:53] <sense> I would like to mail it to someone who helped with 'content creation' on the website during GUADEC, I hope he might be interested.
[14:54] <nigelb> sense: http://akgraner.com/?p=627
[14:54] <sense> nigelb: thanks!
[15:42] <doctormo> Morning paultag, feeling better?
[15:42] <paultag> doctormo: just tired
[15:42] <paultag> doctormo: have not been able to sleep lately
[15:43] <doctormo> paultag: The heat? I didn't get a tremendous amount of sleep last night either.
[15:43] <paultag> Aye
[15:43] <paultag> doctormo: spending my morning on latfh.com
[15:44] <doctormo> spent the morning talking to some debian guys and jcastro
[15:44] <paultag> yup
[17:14] <akgraner> Good Morning :-)
[17:14] <akgraner> afternoon or whatever time of day it is where you all may be :-)
[17:19] <nigelb> Night :D
[17:20] <AlanBell> afternoon akgraner
[17:21] <akgraner> hey!  working Issue 204 of UWN this one is fun! :-)
[17:21] <akgraner> nigelb, have you pulled any LoCo news from this week?
[17:22] <akgraner> nigelb, sorry I should have asked in -news
[17:22] <akgraner> :-/
[17:24] <nigelb> akgraner: I made news.   I'll help pull it now ;)
[17:25] <akgraner> nigelb, see pm :-)
[17:55] <nhandler> Anyone from the Community Council working on a Team Report for July?
[17:56] <nhandler> Or the Technical Board?
[18:16] <pleia2> much of what the CC does is private dispute resolution and answering questions from the community, it'll be pretty rare for us to have something to report
[18:17] <nhandler> pleia2: True, but they do hold meetings (when enough people show up). Even a "Held regular monthly meeting on XXX-XX-XX: No items to discuss" would be nice.
[18:17] <pleia2> perhaps, I'll talk to other CC folks about it for next month
[18:18] <nhandler> Thanks pleia2
[18:30] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!
[21:56] <doctormo> paultag: Another quiet day
[21:56] <paultag> Sure is
[21:56] <paultag> I'm fixing my netbook... again.
[21:59] <paultag> Decided to try Arch
[21:59] <paultag> ditched it. pacman has some odd syntax. Trying Mint now
[22:02] <paultag> I also have a cool new tactic. I'm keeping an SD card flashed with an OS image and leaving it in
[22:02] <paultag> so if I need to do anything I can just F9 boot off SD
[22:10] <paultag> ditching mint. Grrr.
[22:11] <paultag> same kernel issue as Ubuntu
[22:21] <doctormo> paultag: That's not a surprise though, it's exactly the same kernel.
[22:29] <paultag> doctormo: they have a lot of diversions, so I thought the kernel would be modified as well
[22:44] <paultag> I forgot about the apt "Yes, do as I say!"


[10:18] <ilmari> why is the kernel in lucid's -virtual package call itself -server?
[10:18] <ilmari> s/is/does/
[10:25] <ilmari> that had me _really_ confused when installing a new VM at at 03:00 this morning
[10:31] <ilmari> ah, it's the same config, just with a subset of the modules
[11:53] <repete> Can anyone point me to information on Bluetooth 3.0 support in Ubuntu?  From what I can determin Bluez supported it shortly after the spec was complete... but can't find much else.
[13:15] <Keybuk> apw: being a -8 is actually more useful
[13:16] <Keybuk> means I can install both :p
[13:16] <Keybuk> thanks
[15:48] <kamal> lag: hi, I'm looking for the source patch(es) you used to build http://people.canonical.com/~ljones/lp569882-lucid/ for bug 477106 -- where might I find it?
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 477106 in linux (Ubuntu) "[regression] lucid alpha-2 and earlier freeze upon suspend with sd card plugged in with some hardware (affects: 138) (dups: 24) (heat: 531)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477106
[15:50] <lag> kamal: The code needs to be re-written
[15:51] <kamal> well, I did find M. Levitsky "[PATCH v2] MMC: fix all hangs" at http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/6/11/266 which *almost* applies cleanly to Lucid -- and does seem to fix the hang.   Is your kernel there based on that patch?
[16:06]  * abogani waves
[16:17] <vanhoof> JFo:
[16:17] <vanhoof> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-dx-team/une
[16:17] <vanhoof> sudo apt-get install unity
[16:18] <JFo> coolness
[16:18]  * JFo makes a note
[16:39] <vanhoof> pgraner: fwiw http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[16:39] <lag> kamal: Sorry for the delay, I didn't realise you'd replied
[16:39] <lag> kamal: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=lag/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=commit;h=6e57d188acafd42a64d3344717a5b7f3239d03d7
[16:40] <kamal> lag: excellent -- exactly what I was looking for -- thanks!
[16:40] <lag> kamal: No problem
[21:21] <shtylman> is there a mailing list or something I can follow to know when a new kernel hits lucid?
[21:22] <kees> shtylman: lucid-changes would work, though that will show you all packages, not just the kernel https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Lucid-changes
[21:26] <shtylman> kees: better than nothing I suppose :/
[21:26] <shtylman> thanks
[21:27] <kees> np :)
[22:29] <toabctl> hi
[22:30] <toabctl> i have a wacom bamboo touch cht 661 and there's module available on http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/, but the module is not intergrated in the ubuntu kernel
[22:30] <toabctl> how can this be fixed?
[22:31] <toabctl> i alread filled a bug report (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/527912 ) but i've done this for lucid and nothing happened.
[22:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 527912 in xf86-input-wacom (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Wacom Bamboo CTH-661 not recognized (affects: 5) (heat: 36)" [Low,Invalid]
[23:11] <chazn85> hey all, what is the tag used for needing kernel logs, i cant find it on the kernel triaging page


[12:52] <mr_pouit> knome: (afaik there's only one voyager dev, but maybe he's helped for some things like the conky themes)
[12:53] <knome> mr_pouit, like the conky themes we're not still shipping?
[12:53] <knome> mr_pouit, yeah, i think there's only one too
[12:53] <mr_pouit> knome: the voyager dev doesn't do any development (in the strict sense), he chooses to enable many ppas by default (e.g. in voyager 12.10, he put thunar 1.5.0 by default because of the dup partition issue)
[12:54] <knome> mr_pouit, yeah, that makes it pretty much unsupportable
[12:54] <mr_pouit> (he's French speaking anyway, and I regularly check the voyager topic on the French forum)
[12:54] <knome> i know :)
[13:29] <adnan> conky themes you say


[10:40] <rmg51> Morning
[11:03] <InHisName> Morning rmg51
[13:18] <jedijf> picnic today at valley green inn
[13:18] <jedijf> http://geeknic.org/?p=197
[13:19] <JonathanD> GEEKNIC
[13:28] <rmg51> me and the bear are not going to make it :P
[15:01] <waltman> :(
[15:34] <rmg51> it's a Mom thing
[15:35] <rmg51> know anyone who wants to babysit a 92 year old baby?
[15:44] <waltman> bring her to the geeknic!
[15:45] <rmg51> too much trouble just getting her out of the aptment


[03:38] <mfisch> stgraber: you around this evening?
[04:17] <mfisch> If I want to link a bug in LP to a yet-to-be-filed gnome bug, what's the procedure to link them?
[04:19] <mfisch> nm, /me found the right wiki page finally
[12:54] <pedro_> om26er, jibel hello ! could you check bug 833397 and give some feedback?
[12:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 833397 in unity-2d (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 6 other projects) "indicator power displayed twice on panel (affects: 113) (dups: 8) (heat: 523)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833397
[12:55] <om26er> pedro_, sure, doing it right now.
[12:55] <jibel> pedro_, for me it's fixed, but I haven't been able to reproduce for a while. So it needs confirmation from someone else
[12:55] <pedro_> jibel, awesome, thanks
[12:55] <jibel> pedro_, and good morning :)
[12:56] <pedro_> om26er, thanks!
[12:56] <pedro_> jibel, good morning ! :-)
[12:56] <pedro_> actually afternoon for you
[14:05] <dholbach> hello
[14:05] <dholbach> where is the current linux upstream bug tracker? is http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ still down because of the security issues?
[14:16] <brendand> dholbach - i don't know for sure, but i just did a bit of research and it seem the answer is there is no alternative
[14:17] <brendand> dholbach - supposedly you should use the mailing lists if you need to raise issues
[14:17] <dholbach> thanks brendand - that's what it looked like to me
[14:17] <brendand> dholbach - maybe the ubuntu-kernel guys know better
[14:18] <dholbach> yep, I just asked in there as well
[14:42] <pabelanger> how can I add 'Also affects lucid or maverick, etc' for a bug?  I don't see it on bug 615810
[14:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 615810 in nagios3 (Ubuntu) "nagios3-common and nagios3-core : grep: /etc/nagios3/cgi.cfg: No such file or directory (affects: 2) (heat: 11)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615810
[15:02] <hggdh> pabelanger: the bug comments state it is resolved on Maverick; I can see it being SRU-ed to lucid, though
[15:02] <hggdh> pabelanger: can you please add a comment asking for it, and stating your reasons of why it should be done?
[15:02] <hggdh> I will then open the SRU request for Lucid
[15:03] <pabelanger> hggdh: will do, thanks
[15:10] <hggdh> pabelanger: you should follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=show&redirect=MOTU%2FSRU
[15:10] <hggdh> duh
[15:11] <hggdh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[15:18] <hggdh> jibel: are you using alkaid, rukbah, tarf, or phact? Can I go ahead and destroy them?
[15:37] <bdmurray> jibel: can you give me some more information regarding the statuses of bug 898787?
[15:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 898787 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "kubuntu 11.10 failed to install with error in install_misc.py assert cache._depcache.broken_count == 0 (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 38)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898787
[15:40] <jibel> bdmurray, it's been reported 4 times in a row yesterday but I've been unable to reproduce. It affects kubuntu non-english installation.
[15:40] <jibel> bdmurray, critical is a bit too much I think and should be lowered
[15:41] <jibel> bdmurray, no new report today
[15:42] <bdmurray> jibel: and why won't fix for precise?
[15:54] <jibel> bdmurray, the reports were all during a fresh install of oneiric
[15:55] <jibel> bdmurray, it looks like something wrong with oneiric archive.
[15:55] <bdmurray> jibel: and it doesn't happen in precise or what?
[15:55] <jibel> bdmurray, and it doesn't happen in precise
[15:55] <bdmurray> well, then invalid seems more appropriate to me than won't fix
[15:56] <jibel> bdmurray, right
[15:57] <bdmurray> okay, thanks
[16:55] <bdmurray> jibel: do you have any way to get screenshots of your installer testing?
[16:59] <jibel> bdmurray, it's not implemented yet, we could take screenshot of the display. Why would you like to do ?
[17:01] <bdmurray> jibel: I'd just like to have pictures of each step of the installer to help with triaging.  That way when somebody is mentioning a menu, which is sometimes down poorly, we'd have a cheat sheet to look at.
[17:01] <bdmurray> jibel: Does that make sense?
[17:07] <jibel> bdmurray, that makes sense. But the current smoketest uses preseeding and skips the UI.
[17:08] <bdmurray> jibel: ah, okay then
[23:16] <ashams> hggdh, Hi, do you think this is related to unity? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/873482
[23:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873482 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "elantech: Touchpad always reports 3 finger tap as 1 finger tap (affects: 18) (heat: 98)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[23:21] <nethus> Hi
[23:23] <nethus> is bugs.launchpad.net the right place to what i believe is a bug towards the included version of 3rd party software in apt?
[23:23] <nethus> to report*
[23:25] <greg-g> nethus: what do you mean by 3rd party software in apt? can you give an example?
[23:25] <greg-g> (explicit examples/references are better than general questions :) )
[23:26] <nethus> well: there was a bug in mrtg that was fixed some months ago
[23:27] <nethus> but apt still refers to an older version
[23:30] <nethus> ubuntu 11.10
[23:31] <greg-g> nethus: So, right, if a package is included in Ubuntu (eg: available to be installed via apt-get without enabling any non-Ubuntu apt servers) then yes, Launchpad is the right place to report bugs against that software
[23:31] <greg-g> nethus: you can even, from the command line, do "ubuntu-bug mrtg" (without the quotes, obvs)
[23:33] <greg-g> nethus: but, in this case, since you say it has been fixed in mrtg upstream (the original developers of the software) I would check to see what version is available in Debian (where Ubuntu gets most of the software from, unchanged). If Debian Unstable has a fixed version, then the next version of Ubuntu will also have that fixed version.
[23:34] <greg-g> nethus: with that said, if the bug is severe enough, it might be able to be fixed in Ubuntu 11.10 via the SRU process (Stable Release Update)
[23:38] <nethus> greg-g: thanks for the advice, i'll check it
[23:39] <greg-g> nethus: you're welcome
[23:40] <nethus> the fixed version is not even in debian's unstable packages


[07:56] <zzarr> hello duflu :-) I'm back
[07:59] <duflu> zzar: Hello
[08:00] <duflu> zzarr: What happened when you started Mir? You only mentioned one log message yesterday. Was that the end?
[08:04] <zzarr> duflu, how do I start Mir? is it the sudo mir_proving_server you mean?
[08:11] <duflu> zzarr: Yes that
[08:13] <zzarr> duflu, if it is that command, I just ran it again, and it says that "gbm: failed to open any driver (search paths /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri:${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)"
[08:14] <zzarr> gbm also complains about not being able to open /usr/lib/dri/rockchip_dri.so
[08:14] <duflu> zzarr: Yeah that's the failure I expected all along. You either need some Mali driver for Mesa, or some new Mir driver for Mali.
[08:14] <duflu> Ooh, maybe rockchip_dri.so exists somewhere
[08:15] <zzarr> duflu, I'm scanning the internet
[08:16] <zzarr> duflu, is that driver a kernel driver or user driver?
[08:16] <duflu> zzarr: It's the user driver Mesa needs for hardware acceleration
[08:17] <duflu> zzarr: You might get around it with env LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1
[08:18] <zzarr> duflu, ohh... in that case there might be way to find it (I think others have done it)
[08:18] <duflu> I can't see any evidence that rockchip_dri.so exists yet. But environment variable LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 should skip the need for it
[08:21] <zzarr> duflu, okey, I know that people have gotten 3D acceleration to work with X, are the rockchip_dri.so they used specific for X?
[08:22] <duflu> zzarr: That's just a file Mesa needs to implement OpenGL. If they got X working it might have been without any OpenGL
[08:24] <zzarr> duflu, okey, I tried sudo mir_proving_server after setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE to 1, butI got the same error messages
[08:24] <zzarr> (from gbm)
[08:24] <duflu> zzarr: Yeah I just tested it and Mir weirdly ignores that common variable, still tries hardware acceleration or nothing. Sounds like a bug
[08:25] <zzarr> duflu, I agree
[08:26] <zzarr> duflu, a little off topic, do I need to add netdev to the lightdm user in order to login to a WiFi from lightdm?
[08:31] <duflu> zzarr: No idea. You will have to ask in ubuntu-desktop or some other channel
[08:31] <zzarr> duflu, I'll do
[08:31] <duflu> zzarr: You can follow this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1543952
[08:31] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1543952 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Mir binaries ignore Mesa setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 and only ever try hardware acceleration" [Undecided,New]
[08:32] <zzarr> duflu, there it is
[08:32] <duflu> It is now anyway
[08:34] <zzarr> yea
[08:41] <anpok_> duflu: if there is no drm driver there is nothing to post buffers to
[08:42] <duflu> anpok_: I know. But there is one or two (sw) and Mesa won't let us use them
[08:43] <duflu> Which is odd. In regular Ubuntu, Unity7 relies on LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE as a failsafe fallback
[08:43] <duflu> And it works
[08:44] <duflu> Maybe egl-platform-mir is forcefully choosing hardware drivers only...
[08:44] <anpok_> mir doesnt care what driver mesa uses. we just dont build mesa with the fbdev platform... so mesa may only work on top of x11, wl, mir and drm
[08:44] <anpok_> so if the kernel does not include drm-next patches it will be missing the rockchip drm driver that is currently being integrated
[08:44] <duflu> anpok_: Also doesn't matter. He has working DRM with the mali/rockchip GPU
[08:45] <duflu> anpok_: Also he built his own kernel with the required DRM.
[08:45] <anpok_> oh so then things should work just like within
[08:45] <anpok_> kvm
[08:45] <anpok_> where we use the software backend of mesa
[08:45] <duflu> Yeah but Mesa insists looking for rockchip_dri.so which may not even exist
[08:46] <duflu> And Mesa still insists even if you try to force it to use the software driver
[08:47] <duflu> When I do so on desktop it still gets Intel DRI
[08:47] <anpok_> hm is there a kms_swrast_dri.so?
[08:47] <duflu> anpok_: On my machine yes
[08:47] <anpok_> hm there is a good chance the respective env variable inside gbm/egl is different
[08:48] <anpok_> thats the one it should fall back to,,
[08:54] <zzarr> interesting
[09:16] <zzarr> duflu, would a fbdev user driver help?
[09:19] <duflu> zzarr: No, that would probably be worse. Looks like you're waiting on a Mesa/Mir fix
[09:21] <zzarr> duflu, do you mean for sw acceleration?
[09:22] <duflu> Yes (which is much easier than hw)
[09:23] <zzarr> duflu, would I be able to use an X11 hw driver with XMir?
[09:23] <duflu> You're probably making it more complicated and harder again
[09:24] <zzarr> duflu, sorry, it's a bad habit ;-)
[09:24] <zzarr> duflu, what about the android driver?
[09:24] <duflu> zzarr: Again, that's worse
[09:27] <zzarr> duflu, if I got my hands on the fbdev or X11 drivers source, how much work and is there a guide to write my own Mir driver? (please, it's not your monitors fault, it my fault the text is in front of you)
[09:28] <duflu> zzarr: alf_ is already working on fbdev (or some alternative) in theory. I suggest your best bet is to figure out the bug with the env var
[09:29] <duflu> Which would help us too
[09:29] <zzarr> duflu, okey
[09:30] <zzarr> duflu, at the moment I will try the X11 drivers
[09:32] <zzarr> duflu, but I will try to figure out what's up with the SW variable, where's the code that's related to the variable?
[09:32] <duflu> zzarr: Mesa :)
[09:32] <zzarr> duflu, okey, thanks alot for your help :-)
[09:33] <duflu> zzarr: No problem
[09:34] <zzarr> duflu, another OT question, how do I find out why Unity(7) don't appear for me even with the drivers in place?
[09:34] <zzarr> (the X11 drivers)
[09:35] <duflu> zzarr: #ubuntu-unity I think
[09:35] <duflu> could be wrong
[09:35] <zzarr> okey, thanks duflu
[14:05] <zzarr> alf_, hello! I have to ask out of curiosity, how far along with the frame buffer support for Mir are you?
[14:05] <zzarr> alf_, I mean the fb driver support
[14:09] <alf_> zzarr: Hi! Just a proof of concept (and only for software buffers). I haven't touched the code in a long time now.
[14:10] <alf_> zzarr: (which isn't published anywhere at the moment)
[14:11] <zzarr> alf_, okey, will there be hw fb support in the future?
[14:15] <alf_> zzarr: What do you mean by hw fb support? The PoC code used the fbdev interface, by "software buffers" I mean the buffers posted by the client need to be software buffers (i.e. their pixels need to be directly accessible, contrast to accelerated/hw buffers used e.g. for GL rendering on the GPU)
[14:24] <zzarr> alf_, I'll tell the hole story, I have a Chromebook with a mali GPU and wish to get Mir running on it
[14:27] <zzarr> alf_, I only have a fbdev driver and a X11 driver
[14:36] <zzarr> alf_, I have the ASUS Chromebook Flip you see, and the way Unity8/Mir handles touch it's perfect :-)
[15:00] <mcphail> alan_g: Do you mind if I ask if that gcc bug is looking to be the culprit for the screen crashing on calls on the phone? I've be holding off updating my phone because of this, and it would be good to know if there has been a lead
[15:03] <alan_g> mcphail: maybe. In any case it is something we need to eliminate. Last I heard we've still not been able to reproduce the problem under controlled conditions but have stack traces pointing to that area.
[15:04] <mcphail> alan_g: thanks. I think it is fascinating that this could be the cause. Amazing detective work you're doing
[15:47] <alf_> alan_g: mcphail: FYI, our current understanding of that crash is that input and compositor threads deadlock during compositor startup, causing the compositor to throw an exception because it times out waiting for its threads to start, leading to a crash. We we will ship a fix for this in 0.19.2.
[15:48] <pete-woods> greyback: hey, did your MR to libqtdbustest help at all?
[15:48] <greyback> pete-woods: not got around to checking tbh
[15:48] <greyback> was gonna land it, and then see. I can't emulate what the jenkaas instance is doing
[15:49] <pete-woods> greyback: okay, no worries, was just wondering if it needed putting in a silo
[15:49] <greyback> pete-woods: it does. I was going to do that for next unity8 landing, but that might be a while away yet
[15:50] <pete-woods> greyback: sure, wasn't pressing you to do it now or anything, was more an offer to land it for you, but I'll hold off if you don't know it helps
[15:51] <greyback> pete-woods: fair. We'll stick it in our silo and see if it helps. No point landing if it doesn't
[15:52] <mcphail> alf_: brilliant. thanks for the info and teh hard work :)


[01:14] <andystar> What was that about? Someone banned me from Ubuntu.
[01:18] <Pici> bazhang: ^ ?
[01:18] <bazhang> andystar, yes hello
[01:18] <bazhang> thanks Pici
[01:22] <andystar> bazhang, I didn't appreciate you and daftykins seeming to gang up on me about talking about ubottu or not talking about ubottu, when that is a regular tool to use in the ubuntu channel.
[01:22] <andystar> bazhang, The use of all caps seemed to escalate the issue to an unnecessary level, too.
[01:23] <bazhang> andystar, its not a debate for #ubuntu
[01:23] <andystar> bazhang, Who said there was a debate?
[01:24] <andystar> "We value discussion, data and decisiveness"
[01:26] <andystar> So, can I still ask my question in ubuntu?
[01:29] <andystar> Will I just be temporarily banned from ubuntu?
[01:30] <hggdh> it depends on you, mostly
[01:50] <andystar> Can I still ask my question about Ubuntu?
[01:50] <bazhang> andystar, did you see what was said above or no
[01:51] <andystar> I logged out after hggdh's remark.  It didn't make any sense.
[01:52] <bazhang> whats your question about ubuntu andystar
[01:54] <bazhang> andystar, you need to respond in a timely fashion
[01:54] <andystar> I have been trying to make kxstudio work with xubuntu for several weeks.  I am afraid that when I reinstall, I will lose some of my work.
[01:56] <andystar> I am sorry I type so slowly.  I don't know what to say, sometimes.
[01:56] <bazhang> andystar, are you going to remain ontopic, no more debates about bot usage in #ubuntu as its strictly a support channel
[01:58] <andystar> bazhang, I need to take a break for a while.  I am a bit upset about what happened earlier.
[02:00] <bazhang> ok andystar , the ban stands, come back when you can discuss in a more suitable frame of mind
[02:09] <andystar> bazhang, I don't think there should be much to discuss.
[02:10] <bazhang> andystar, I asked above about you agreeing or not on the debating bot usage in #ubuntu
[02:13] <andystar> bezhang, I respect daftykins a lot about his computer knowledge.  I didn't realize I was debating him.  I just wanted to reply to what he was saying.
[02:19] <andystar> bazhang, Does the way I am chatting with you now seem respectful?
[02:20] <hggdh> andystar: yes, it is respectful. Pretty much like we replying to you. What we cannot undesrstand is you refusing to answer a direct question.
[02:21] <hggdh> which, frankly, makes me consider that you should have a time to cool off
[02:22] <andystar> I think I have answered it, by the lack of yes or no.
[02:23] <andystar> I cannot promise that everything will always be perfectly on topic, even when I intend it to be so.
[02:24] <hggdh> andystar: as you wish. I vote for the ban staying for a while.
[02:26] <hggdh> andystar: now, since we seem to be done here, please /part
[02:27] <andystar> I thought the discussion with daftykins was over, when bazhang stepped in.   I was just offended at the all caps.
[02:35] <k1l> hi andystar since the other ops are partially afk i will jump in to spped this a bit up.
[02:35] <andystar> Thanks.
[02:35] <andystar> I just want to be heard.
[02:36] <andystar> I don't want to bother anybody.
[02:36] <k1l> andystar: after debating with daftykins about 20mins in #ubuntu about ubottu and the usage in the channel the op asked you to stop that: "andystar, take the chat to the offtopic room NOT here"
[02:37] <k1l> that was a reasonable and was not meant as offence.
[02:39] <andystar> I didn't see how much time had passed.  Now I am seeing that a lot more time is passing.
[02:40] <k1l> than in here you were asked if you can act according to the guidelines in future in #ubuntu, which you did not answer that you are able to. so right now the ban will stand. please come back the next days when you had a re-read of the guidelines and thought about you can accept that as the behaviour we would like to have in #ubuntu
[02:40] <andystar> I just want to feel welcome if I am going to be involved with the ubuntu community.
[02:40] <andystar> I can act with the guidelines of the ubuntu channel.
[02:40] <andystar> I just didn't know what they were.
[02:40] <k1l> if you need support in the meantime you could try askubuntu, ubuntuforums, mailinglists or the discourse thingy :)
[02:41] <k1l> !guidelines | andystar
[02:43] <k1l> @mark andystar told to come back the next days to resolve the ban
[03:56] <andystar> !log
[03:56] <andystar> Hi.
[03:57] <andystar> Was there anything else said after I logged out?
[04:42] <andystar> I would like to fix my installation of Ubuntu, rather than reinstalling.
[04:43] <andystar> I tried deleting one of the folders of the .config directory, and purging cadence and reinstalling, but the sound still does not work.
[04:50] <andystar> hggdh, Is there anyone still online?
[05:01] <andystar> hggdh, I have read the guidelines.  It appears that I did not break any rules.
[05:10] <andystar> It appears that bazhang broke the code of conduct, by using all caps in the irc.  I don't think it was appropriate for him to ban me, shortly after that.
[05:15] <andystar> !op
[06:42] <CarlFK> andystar: I suggest you find a friend that you trust to read   http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/02/%23ubuntu-ops.html and help you understand what you should do.
[06:45] <andystar> CarlFK, About what?
[06:48] <CarlFK> andystar: please /part this channel.
[06:48] <andystar> I am waiting for my response.
[06:53] <andystar> CarlFK, I am not sure how asking for a friend to read through the logs helps me to be unbanned.
[06:56] <valorie> CarlFK: what a lovely suggestion to andystar
[06:57] <CarlFK> valorie:  thanks.
[10:21] <andystar> Hello?
[10:22] <andystar> Can I get back into Ubuntu?
[10:24] <andystar> Why can't I get into Ubuntu?
[18:06] <andystar> Can I be unbanned yet?
[18:07] <Pici> andystar: let me take a look, one moment
[18:10] <hggdh> andystar: what was writtten in all caps?
[18:10] <andystar> hggdh, It was just one word.
[18:11] <andystar> hggdh, It was the word "not."
[18:13] <Pici> andystar: okay, we're going to remove the ban. just a moment
[18:14] <Pici> andystar: you should be able to join #ubuntu now, please keep our guidelines in mind and have a good afternoon.
[18:18] <hggdh> darn! Something went south on my weechat config
[18:19] <Pici> hggdh: I removed the ban before you did
[18:19] <hggdh> ah
[18:21] <andystar> Thanks.
[18:22] <andystar> As I said before, I just want to feel welcome, so if I have questions about Linux or Ubuntu, I can have someone to talk about Linux with.
[18:36] <hggdh> andystar: now, please /part. This is no-idling channel.
[18:37] <andystar> I hope I can talk about the issue later, here if possible.
[18:37] <andystar> I still feel a little bit traumatized by what happened.
[18:37] <andystar> I have never been banned before, not for anything.
[18:38] <andystar> Thanks anyways.
[21:51] <Pici> Unit193: mind taking a look at  #ubuntu at this time, when you get a second
[21:52] <k1l> its the GeyikTR. com spam crew again
[21:53] <Pici> Unit193: particularly the " unknown pattern, or pattern already active" part
[21:53] <k1l> the bot is handling it quite well
[21:53] <Pici> yeah, it just shouldn't have announced an error like that in channel
[21:53] <Pici> otherwise, its doing great
[21:54] <Unit193> Ah yeah, that's something else.
[21:54] <k1l> ah, didnt scroll that much in the backlog
[21:54] <Unit193> Also netsplits.
[21:55] <k1l> https://imgflip.com/i/tiu6h
[21:55] <k1l> ;p
[22:06] <Unit193> Pici: Actually, that shouldn't be happening.  Hrm.


[00:35] <eb4890> If people had to pick one kernel book, would it be  Love's or Bovet and Cesate? Or something else. I'm looking to understand ASLR type systems.
[00:39] <jjohansen> eb4890: I've never read Bovet and Cesate so I can't compare, but Love's book was pretty good and easy to read
[00:40] <eb4890> jjohansen: Thanks
[00:40] <jjohansen> eb4890: I'm not sure that is will cover ASLR though?  Its been a while since I read it
[00:42] <eb4890> jjohansen: As long as it covers building a process structure and where that is in the kernel code, I can at least look at the source.
[00:44] <jjohansen> eb4890: I think it will work for your purposes, make sure to get the 3rd edition as it is current to the .34 kernel
[00:45] <jjohansen> the 2nd edition is getting quite crufty
[00:46] <eb4890> jjohansen:  Thanks, I was wondering about getting the older cheaper book.
[00:47] <jjohansen> it would be good for concepts etc, but would current to early 2.6 (circa 2006 or so)
[00:51] <eb4890> Hmm, Bovet and Cesati is published 2005. So would be equally old. I'll go with the 3rd edition of Love's book. Thanks.
[01:41] <Kano> hi apw, can you trigger 2.6.37 mainline build?
[02:13] <yigal> where can I find a default config for an earlier Ubuntu release, in this case Karmic - I'm building on Maverick - by the way should I be able to do this build without difficulty?
[02:15] <yigal> is there an easier way than downloading the deb installing and copying the config from /boot ?
[02:16] <Kano> the config does not really matter
[02:16] <Kano> it should be compatible
[02:16] <yigal> ok, cool
[02:16] <yigal> that would definately make things easier
[02:17] <Kano> i use mainline kernels even for debian lenny, just with a few modeset overrides if needed
[02:18] <yigal> I just patched Maverick's kernel to get a touchscreen to work and I want to do the same for Karmic's now but compiling still in the Maverick box
[02:20] <Kano> just use the same kernel
[02:22] <yigal> Inte's GMA 500 GPU makes that impossible
[02:23] <yigal> s/Ite/l/
[02:23] <yigal> man, s/Inte/l/
[02:23] <Kano> why
[02:26] <yigal> the PSB kernel used for the GPU had to be tweaked after 2.6.32 so Karmic has a different PSB driver than Meerkat's
[02:26] <yigal> PSB driver
[02:26] <yigal> sorry
[04:06] <bullgard4> What does "md" stand for in /lib/modules/2.6.35-24-generic/kernel/drivers/md/ ?
[04:13] <jk-> bullgard4: 'multiple device'
[04:13] <bullgard4> jk-: Ah! Thank you very much for your help.
[09:10]  * apw yawns
[09:10] <smb> apw, 'ning
[09:11] <apw> smb, ning indeed
[12:23] <apw_> smb is yhete anything else outstanding for natty that u want in the uploaf?
[12:24] <apw_> also should i wait on tedting by jj for that one?
[12:55] <smb> apw, Either you switched to an ancient form of English or you are trying to type on the nexus. :)
[12:55] <smb> Atm, I got nothing else for Natty
[12:56] <apw> smb, indeed
[12:57] <smb> Given the (health) status of jj I am not sure whether or when he may respond. So I bravely vote for just putting it in and then hide from the fallout
[12:57] <apw> smb, heh good point indeed
[12:59] <smb> apw, Hm I see some report back that the sata link power management may still be an issue even with Natty. Though that needs the user-space "fix"
[13:02] <apw> smb is export SATA_ALPM_ENABLE=false the work around in all releases ?
[13:03] <smb> I am not sure. I believe the whole script was removed in older releases. But when the new script does support a switch the fix may as well be a change of default
[13:05] <smb> I have/had systems which worked ok with it enabled, so this seems a controller and/or drive specific issue. Not sure whether we want to start quirking in userspace. Especially since it will be a bitch to keep up with finding the bad or good combinations
[13:06] <apw> yeah as you say it cannot be all machines, though i guess many may not support it at all
[13:07] <smb> apw, I wonder whether it would be worth the effort of starting some sort of wiki to gather good and bad experience cases (like for the suspend resume)
[13:07] <apw> smb, yeah ... perhaps ... i also note you have that marked fix released for natty which seems wrong
[13:08] <smb> It likely was done based on the "it works since then" comment which seems to be only partially correct (if at all)
[13:09] <smb> So we may need to put it back into open state
[13:09] <smb> Or start a new one for data mining
[13:10] <apw> smb, move it back to New
[13:21] <smb> apw, I added some comment as well
[13:23] <apw> smb, gah there are so many bugs there is no safe ground left
[13:26] <smb> Safe ground is an illusion anyway when moving at roughly 1600km per hour
[13:27] <apw> smb, heh :)
[15:16] <hallyn> to submit a kernel patch for maverick kernel, what's the preferred method?  A debdiff?  A git tree on ubuntu.kernel.com?  A compiled package in a ppa?  (To put in a launchpad bug)
[15:19] <smb> If things are bigger (which they usually should not be for a SRU) it would be a tree and git pull. For smaller things a patch exported with format-patch and sent to kernel-team mailing list with the sru justification (the justification should also go into the bug report and the patch would be nice to have there)
[15:20] <tgardner> hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:31] <hallyn> smb: tgardner: thanks
[16:01] <JFo> brb, gotta reboot
[16:55] <apw> hallyn, as its for a released kernel it needs to have a LP bug associated
[16:58] <hallyn> apw: yup, it does
[16:58] <apw> hallyn, please include the BugLink:
[17:01] <hallyn> apw: yup, it's in the patch.  Just waiting for the thing to build so I can have the bug submitter test first :)
[17:01] <hallyn> thanks!
[17:03] <apw> hallyn, this is an egg, you place it in your mouth thusly ...
[17:07] <hallyn> not sure i get the reference, but man am i starving
[17:07]  * tgardner wonders if apw is sweet talking his bird ?
[17:08] <apw> hallyn, heh granny ?
[18:12] <apw> tgardner, can you remember what the source package for the nvidia binary drivers is
[18:13] <tgardner> apw, nvidia-current ? for lucid
[18:13] <apw> close enoug
[18:13] <JFo> apw, there is a 'bandolier' in my possession
[18:14] <apw> JFo, that is very awsome :)
[18:18] <jjohansen> JFo: as in an ammo belt badolier?
[18:19] <apw> jjohansen, hey ... smb tested that disk rename and had no issues, so i am proposing to upload it pretty soon
[18:19] <jjohansen> apw: +1
[18:19] <apw> jjohansen, cirtainly like something which rambo would use, 2 inch slugs
[18:19] <jjohansen> apw: like I said I was surprised it didn't work for me
[18:20] <apw> jjohansen, cool
[18:32] <JFo> jjohansen, sort of
[18:32] <JFo> :)
[18:33] <jjohansen> JFo: oh so 2inch rounds aren't manly enough for you?  Carrying 16 inchers instead?
[18:34] <JFo> jjohansen, I'm a lover, not a fighter :-P
[18:34] <JFo> ok, that isn't true
[18:34] <JFo> but it WAS funny
[18:35] <jjohansen> yeah, /me was going to quip that so its for your ******
[18:35]  * jjohansen self sensored
[18:36] <jjohansen> s/sensored/censored/ :)
[18:55] <tgardner> apw, I dumped an aufs bug in your lap: bug #621195
[18:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621195 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.35/ubuntu/aufs/plink.c:332 au_plink_append+0x1f1/0x2e0 [aufs]() (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621195
[18:56] <tgardner> I know how you like aufs
[19:00] <apw> tgardner, heh i happen to be looking at that, but perhaps thats cause you subbed me or something
[19:01] <tgardner> great minds think alike....
[19:05]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:23] <jdstrand> tgardner: fyi, added dmesg to bug #621195
[19:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621195 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.35/ubuntu/aufs/plink.c:332 au_plink_append+0x1f1/0x2e0 [aufs]() (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621195
[20:10]  * jjohansen lunch
[20:16] <tgardner> apw, bug #683690 may have a solution in staging (which we should likely turn on)
[20:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683690 in linux (Ubuntu) "CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT should be set to UTF8 (affects: 1) (heat: 96)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683690
[20:26] <apw> tgardner, thanks
[20:27] <tgardner> apw, actuall, on deeper inspection it appears we should just set CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="utf8"
[20:27] <ogra> apw, thanks for omap3
[20:27] <apw> tgardner, will do some research as to what that means
[20:27] <apw> and if there is any downsides
[20:28] <tgardner> apw, the staging driver is for mounting SMB file systems without having a user space component (I think)
[20:28] <apw> yeah sounds like just a config change request
[20:28] <apw> tgardner, what was the modules we built in recent, was it crc32 or something ... can you remember why we did that
[20:29] <tgardner> dynamic linking
[20:29] <tgardner> no module aliasis, so the netboot stuff was failing
[20:29] <tgardner> dynamic registration, rather
[20:30] <apw> ahh right
[20:47] <tgardner> apw, I went ahead and pushed CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="utf8" on master-next. Lets see what havoc it wreaks.
[20:48] <apw> tgardner, ok thanks
[21:25] <sconklin> apw, tgardner - I'm out of the Lucid tree and there is a new master-next open for business
[21:26] <tgardner> ack
[22:20] <hallyn> jjohansen: hey - when doing my own funky patched kernels I understand having to skip abi checks, but I took a stock git://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu-maverick kernel plus one small patch, but ppa gave me https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/testkernel/+build/2125626
[22:21] <hallyn> jjohansen: (since i know you've got ppa kernel experience :) is there something else I'm missing?  I don't want to turn off checks if I'm doing something else wrong...
[22:26] <jjohansen> hallyn: if the patch caused any abi change you have to go through an abi bump or turn off the checks
[22:26] <jjohansen> its an absolute pita
[22:29] <hallyn> it shouldn't have caused an abi bump though
[22:29] <hallyn> what causes an abi change?
[22:29] <jjohansen> hrmmm, well that should just be the regular kernel compile abi stuff
[22:30] <jjohansen> its then compared to the one stored in debian.master
[22:30] <jjohansen> hallyn: did you mess with the kernel version numbering?
[22:30] <jjohansen> that can cause the abi check to fail too
[22:31] <jjohansen> basically it compares the compiled kernel to the one stored in debian.master/abi/
[22:32] <hallyn> well i named it linux_2.6.35-24.42qemui386v3
[22:32] <jjohansen> the version numbering must be exactly one back or the comparision fails
[22:32] <hallyn> alrighty, my fault then :)
[22:32] <jjohansen> what is in the debian.master/abi/ dir
[22:43] <rsajdok> ogasawara: This link is broken. Is there somewhere a valid link? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/hardy-buglist.html https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day#You're a developer?
[22:57] <bjf> rsajdok, ogasawara is on leave
[22:57] <bjf> rsajdok, maybe JFo can point you at the right url