[12:00] <mirak_> lol....im on xchat......yes i am on the internet
[12:00] <ions> ogra: all "route" says is 'Destination   Gateway   Genmask   Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface'
[12:00] <Cor-Bob> does ubuntu have support for mice with forward and back buttons?
[12:00] <stvn> mirak_: could have been a different machine ;)
[12:00] <mirak_> stvn, realized that after the post......sorry
[12:00] <stvn> :)
[12:01] <ogra> ions: worse than i thought
[12:01] <ions> yay! :\
[12:01] <mirak_> can you help?
[12:01] <stvn> mirak_: you didn't adit the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:01] <stvn> edit
[12:01] <mirak_> i havent even touched my computer since about 5 mins after the last time i used synaptic
[12:01] <mirak_> so no
[12:02] <stvn> mirak_: and now synaptic doesn't want to reload?
[12:02] <mirak_> stvn, nope
[12:02] <stvn> mirak_: error being?
[12:02] <Cor-Bob> is it possible to use non-standard repositories, say to get packages like irb and other ruby ones that aren't in the standard repository...
[12:03] <mirak_> stvn, i get this from apt-get :E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:03] <mirak_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:03] <stvn> Cor-Bob: yes, but on own risk
[12:03] <Cor-Bob> is there anywhere I could find a link or something to one...
[12:03] <stvn> mirak_: are you sure that you don't have synaptic, aptitude, apt-* running somewhere?
[12:03] <ogra> ions: is the ip you see from ifconfig valueble i.e. nor <IP_ADDRESS> or so
[12:03] <Cor-Bob> I really need more packages in order to get irb and rubygems:(
[12:04] <mirak_> stvn, hmmmm....let me check
[12:04] <stvn> Cor-Bob: you checked universe and multiverse?
[12:04] <ions> yeah - it's a valid IP
[12:04] <Cor-Bob> how do I do that...
[12:04] <stvn> Cor-Bob: did you change anything in synaptic after install?
[12:05] <Cor-Bob> just removed the cd as a repository
[12:05] <mirak_> stvn, problem solved....synaptic was hiding on my gaim desktop
[12:05] <stvn> mirak_: heh
[12:05] <stvn> Cor-Bob: start synaptic
[12:05] <mirak_> stvn, i fell stupid...but thnx
[12:05] <stvn> Cor-Bob: add the universe repository
[12:05] <stvn> mirak_: shit happens ;)
[12:05] <mirak_> stvn, i suppose
[12:05] <stvn> mirak_: had the same problem quite sometimes, doing killall aptitude and everything to get rid of it ;)
[12:05] <Cor-Bob> didn't think I could add the greyed out repositories
[12:06] <stvn> Cor-Bob: it is possible, just cross the square ;)
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> hmmm I can't find irb...
[12:07] <stvn> Cor-Bob: what is the exact name of the progam?
[12:07] <mirak_> stvn, aptitude....that is the package manager that list the packages by type?.....err....groups them?
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> irb
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> that's what it's called
[12:07] <stvn> Cor-Bob: interactive ruby?
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> irb1.8...
[12:07] <Cor-Bob> yeah
[12:07] <ogra> ions: try: sudo route add default eth0
[12:08] <ogra> ions: or whatever your if-name is
[12:08] <stvn> mirak_: snaptic can do that as well, but aptitude is the ncurses deb manager
[12:08] <stvn> Cor-Bob: do reload, it's in universe
[12:08] <mirak_> stvn, ncurses....??? is that a yes?
[12:08] <ions> ogra: k, brb
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> ah hah
[12:09] <stvn> mirak_: ncurses is a text based gui
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> thank you stvn
[12:09] <stvn> mirak_: ideal for ssh and other terminal only session
[12:09] <stvn> Cor-Bob: np
[12:09] <mirak_> ahhhh
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> unfortunately I will have to boot into windows:(
[12:09] <Cor-Bob> I have to fix my usbkey, and remove the encryption layer
[12:09] <mirak_> stvn, ever use YOPER?....it has synaptic...and something else...what is that?
[12:10] <stvn> mirak_: but in synaptic you can change 'history' to 'sections'
[12:10] <stvn> Cor-Bob: good luck, don't know much about encrypted usb keys
[12:10] <mirak_> stvn, ooo...that works.....thnx
[12:10] <stvn> mirak_: never used it, but it might be dselect *shudder*
[12:11] <mirak_> stvn, changing history to sections is just what i was looking for......thnx
[12:11] <stvn> np
[12:11] <mirak_> stvn, forget about that thing yoper uses
[12:11] <vertical_98> When I try and play a MP3 in Music player is says no plugin, is there a quick and braindead way to set it up?
[12:11] <mirak_> yup
[12:12] <mirak_> do you have the universe enabled?
[12:12] <[Phaedrus] > what window manager are you guys using?
[12:13] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : the default one, metacity
[12:13] <mirak_> stvn, thnx
[12:13] <xenonite> lol "do you have the universe enabled"
[12:13] <stvn> mirak_: it's nice to see other ppl feeling confident to help (I only use ubuntu for a few days now)
[12:14] <mirak_> [pheadrus] , gnome....with a bit of xfce4
[12:14] <[Phaedrus] > how is that working for you mirak_? xfce4?
[12:14] <mirak_> stvn, well its something i know how to do....so i figure i can take some load off the vets
[12:14] <vertical_98> mirak: Thanks
[12:14] <ions> ogra: sudo route add default eth0 did nothing but I also checked ifconfig while I was there again and it's borked
[12:15] <stvn> mirak_: true, but becomming a vet is easy here, the first release is only days old ;)
[12:15] <ions> I had checked it before I rebooted before and it was fine - I had not checked it after the reboot until now
[12:15] <ogra> ions: do you know what kind of modem he has ?
[12:15] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , its fine......i like it......but i found myself back on gnome the last few days, but i think it is preconfigured....i dont really feel like setting up stuff in xfce4 at the momen
[12:15] <ions> the model?  No but I can check
[12:16] <mirak_> stvn, i was talking linux vet.........but i am trying to learn.....
[12:16] <[Phaedrus] > i've been wanting to try xfce4 for a while now.... we'll see how it goes
[12:16] <ions> brb - checking modem model
[12:16] <stvn> mirak_: [Phaedrus] , you can change the default DE in computer>>system configuration>>ogin screen setup
[12:16] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , its really good.....much better than kde.....if you have booted PHLAK....it uses xfce4
[12:17] <[Phaedrus] > stvn: i dont have ubuntu installed yet
[12:17] <[Phaedrus] > i'm still waiting for my pressed cds
[12:17] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : ah ok
[12:17] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : that'll take a while
[12:17] <mirak_> stvn, [phaedrus] , you can also do it from the log in screen
[12:17] <[Phaedrus] > i am at the moment in India and unfortunately the internet connection here isnt very co-operative for a download
[12:17] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : ah ok, 'they' say late november
[12:18] <Cor-Bob> if I have enabled universe in synapti, can I use apt-get install to install a bunch of things from universe...
[12:18] <[Phaedrus] > dang it!
[12:18] <stvn> Cor-Bob: yes
[12:18] <mirak_> beet me to it
[12:18] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : you can't get a box to do bittorrent?
[12:18] <Cor-Bob> k good cause I have a big long command that will get everything I need, and it's a pain to try and read the packages from it and find them in synaptic
[12:18] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : bittorrent can handle unstabel connections
[12:18] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : so does wget for that matter
[12:18] <[Phaedrus] > stvn: they dont even have  broadband in this side of the world
[12:19] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : true
[12:19] <ions> ogra: RCA DCM 245
[12:19] <ogra> ions: hmm brand ?
[12:19] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : how much time do you suppose it'll take to send a CD from .nl to india?
[12:19] <[Phaedrus] > i cant wait to get back to canada, and that's not going to be for another month... so i guess ubuntu might have to wait for a while...
[12:19] <ogra> ions: any idea =
[12:19] <ogra> ?
[12:19] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : hehe
[12:20] <[Phaedrus] > maybe 10 days stvn
[12:20] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , canada,,,india....why are you in india?
[12:20] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : I could send you my CD, I don't need it anyway
[12:20] <ions> RCA is the brand
[12:20] <ogra> ions: oh
[12:20] <ions> aka Thompson
[12:20] <[Phaedrus] > mirak just visiting friends, mostly for my brother's wedding
[12:21] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , ahh.....kk....tell you bro GRATZ, from the ubuntu room
[12:21] <[Phaedrus] > that's a very nice offer stvn, quite generous, but its okay. If i really get impatient, i'll call my friend in Canada and make him download and send me a copy
[12:21] <[Phaedrus] > thanks mirak_
[12:21] <mirak_> :)
[12:22] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : where do you live?
[12:22] <[Phaedrus] > Burgundavia, i live in Canada, just a little off at the moment
[12:22] <[Phaedrus] > so you are from netherlands stvn..
[12:22] <[Phaedrus] > what about you mirak_?
[12:22] <xenonite> hi, the gnome session manager stores the opened file manager windows, right? what about the web browser windows?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : where abouts in Canada
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > Burgundavia: ottawa, ON
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > nice nice..
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > Go Go Canucks!
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[12:23] <ions> Burlington, ON
[12:23] <vertical_98> It works!!  Many Thanks Mirak
[12:23] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , what about  what....where i live.....in USA....michigan...just south of detroit
[12:23] <Cor-Bob> [Phaedrus]  I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no hockey this year
[12:23] <mirak_> vertical_98, dont forget to thank stvn, and you welcom
[12:24] <mirak_> cor-bob, rolf
[12:24] <vertical_98> Thanks stvn!
[12:24] <[Phaedrus] > yeah Cor-Bob, i heard about the strike... quite disappointd
[12:24] <stvn> np
[12:24] <Cor-Bob> nad besides calgary kicked vancouvers ass last year
[12:24] <Cor-Bob> s/nad/and
[12:24] <[Phaedrus] > that's right!
[12:24] <vertical_98> quit
[12:25] <ogra> ions: could you run "dmesg" right after plugging out/in the modem to see if the driver is loaded properly
[12:25] <ions> oh! good idea!  k brb
[12:25] <Cor-Bob> so apparently jessica simpsons boobs are real, at least according to ashlee simpson, I don't want to know how she knows that.
[12:26] <mirak_> ???.....
[12:26] <stvn> poor guy, never have more than an armslength between the irc channel and the faulty computer
[12:27] <ogra> stvn: ions ?
[12:27] <[Phaedrus] > heh... that's funny stvn
[12:27] <stvn> ogra: yeah
[12:27] <[Phaedrus] > so, here's a question.
[12:28] <ogra> stvn: he updated his neighbors pc.....
[12:28] <grenshad> hi
[12:28] <[Phaedrus] > What's so different about where ubuntu is heading now, compared to what Redhat tried to do, and ended becoming monstrously bloated?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : one cd rather than 4
[12:28] <housetier> where is ubuntu heading now, [Phaedrus] ?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> choosing one program
[12:29] <Elim> i have just registored with your cd distrobution service will it send the cds now or do i have to login then request them? :S(it asked me how many i wanted so i presume the will send them now but i dont know
[12:29] <[Phaedrus] > yeah, redhat is scary.. just simply scary
[12:29] <stvn> [Phaedrus] : it's debian based, it has a big brother to forward those pesky users to ;)
[12:29] <ogra> Elim: they will ;)
[12:29] <Elim> they will send them now? great!
[12:30] <[Phaedrus] > now, as in a month
[12:30] <ogra> Elim: not sure if _now_ but they will send them ;)
[12:30] <[Phaedrus] > How is this project being funded?
[12:30] <Elim> ive just ordered a hub to daisy chain my adsl router (so i can now have inet access on my mac :D)
[12:30] <[Phaedrus] > if they can afford to ship out free cds and stuff?
[12:31] <Elim> sponsour
[12:31] <Elim> http://www.canonical.com/
[12:31] <Elim> thats their sponsour and the site looks almost identical
[12:32] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : Ubuntu is made by Canonical who is funded by Mark Shuttleworth
[12:32] <Elim> they are backing open source projects to help the linux community florish or something to that effect
[12:32] <Burgundavia> think 2nd space tourist, creator of Thawte security
[12:32] <[Phaedrus] > what do they get in return?
[12:32] <ogra> and hbd
[12:32] <Cor-Bob> does ubuntu use XFree86, or Xorg?
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Canonical funds a number of debian and gnome devs
[12:33] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : you !!
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: xfree86
[12:33] <xuzo> Cor-Bob: xfree, xorg is planed to hoary
[12:33] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: switching to xorg for Hoary
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > Cor-Bob: that question is answered in the FAQs... xfree86 for now, x.org later
[12:33] <[Phaedrus] > ogra: Should I be scared? :)
[12:33] <Cor-Bob> oh ok
[12:33] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : as a community member ;)
[12:34] <Cor-Bob> well I guess XFree86 has gotten better since the last time I tried linux
[12:34] <Cor-Bob> I used to get artifacts all over the place
[12:34] <Elim> what does canonical actually produce software wise? (i dont mean sponsoured projects)
[12:34] <ogra> Elim: isnt ubuntu enough 8)
[12:35] <ions> ogra: unplugging the modem and plugging it back in fixed it
[12:35] <Elim> they dont make it they sponsour it
[12:35] <ogra> ions: yay
[12:35] <ions> I restarted and it worked fine
[12:35] <Elim> they are a company what do they make themselves?
[12:35] <ions> thank you for your help ogra !!
[12:46] <ogra> inos: wasnt me : http://cable-modems.org/q&a/index.php?one_question=334 *g*
[12:46] <ions> :)
[12:46] <ions> so my lesson is never run apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:46] <mirak_> ions, stay away from synaptic smart upgrade then
[12:46] <ions> are apt-get update & apt-get upgrade alright to run
[12:46] <ions> ?
[12:46] <ogra> ions: no, your lesson was always restart your cablemodem first ;)
[12:46] <mirak_> yes.....but so is dist-upgrade
[12:46] <ions> I tried to run synaptic by ssh -x but it crashed
[12:46] <Kamion> Elim: Canonical started up in order to create Ubuntu and sponsor further development
[12:46] <ogra> ions: ssh -x sudo synaptic ?
[12:46] <mirak_> kamion, so where does canocial get its funding?
[12:46] <Kamion> Elim: there are some other projects in the works, but they're not public yet
[12:46] <Kamion> Elim: don't get too hung up on the "sponsored" distinction, the core Ubuntu team are all Canonical employees right now
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > "Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products..."
[12:46] <ions> yeah
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion: and hopefully will be ;)
[12:46] <mirak_> kamion, you work for canocial?
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> mirak_ my understanding is that it's all funded by a millionaire that wants to see linux get onto every desktop
[12:46] <Kamion> mirak_: the boss is Mark Shuttleworth, who made his millions from Thawte and has been funding free software development since then
[12:46] <Kamion> mirak_: yes, I do
[12:46] <theantix> before the Ubuntu preview release was out, canoncial's website had a glimpse of what they else were working on :-)
[12:46] <Kamion> ogra: I'm not suggesting that we might get fired, more that others might join the core team
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> so there is no way to get ubuntu onto a computer with no cd-rom drive or usb ports is there...
[12:46] <mirak_> kamion, kk......and ubuntu get money from canocial, and canocial get funding from a millionare?
[12:46] <lifeless> see Kamion, are you meant to be motivated by fear or something :)
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: if the box can PXE-boot, you can try that
[12:46] <Kamion> lifeless: speak for yourself :-)
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion: but i think a canonical core is important for giving the direction
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> PXE-boot?
[12:46] <lifeless> lol
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: boot off another box on the same network
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I have a pcmcia network adapter, and a parallel port cd-rom...
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > mirak_: Ubuntu is influenced by Canonical, which is a company of some millionaire
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: some Ethernet cards / BIOSes support it
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I don't even hav a network setup:|
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: oh, that's probably too much of a nightmare then
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> it's a MMX 266 MHz laptop
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: floppies are targetted for the next release ... do you have another Unix system installed on the same box?
[12:46] <Kamion> mirak_: right, other funding options are being actively explored too
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> no right now I'm on windows 98 on here
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> and hating every minute of it
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: well, you could install some other distro with floppies, then use the instructions in the installation manual to switch to Ubuntu ...
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: (I'm assuming you have a floppy drive!)
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> does it matter how recent the distro is?
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I do, I can install red hat 7.3 from the cd-drive using the old-cd drivers
[12:46] <Elim> cor bob me 2 my hard drive had bad sectors... had to go back to my 2nd hd :(
[12:46] <Elim> win 98 :( arrh!!
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: that should be fine
[12:46] <Elim> ordered another one thankfully
[12:46] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: why don't you pull the hdd out of the machine and put it in another more recent machine. Install ubuntu and update it. Then rip it out and place it in the old macine and hope kudzu can find it
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > Cor-Bob, you sure a 266mhz machine can handle linux with Gnome?
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> yup
[12:46] <Kamion> Cor-Bob: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html for reference
[12:46] <jdub> 266mhz is not a problem for GNOME
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> ty Kamion
[12:46] <jdub> lack of memory is ;)
[12:46] <ogra> Kamion: i'm on my way for NM, but still looking for my niche i fit best (which at the moment is to help here) ;)
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> [Phaedrus]  it runs red hat 7.3 fine
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> it's the 2 megs of video memory that I'm worried about
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> but apparently the only issue it'd have with windows xp is the drivers for the cd-rom
[12:46] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: and that xp is bloated, so your 266 would crawl
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> oh I know it would
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> my desktop is slow, and that's a 1 GHz celeron
[12:46] <Cor-Bob> I noticed I can watch videos in full screen in linux while compiling, but not in windows while doing nothing else
[12:47] <Burgundavia> Cor-Bob: I am currently running ubuntu with gnome on a 675 Duron and have no problem. Surfing the web is a little slow, but that is also cause I am ripping oggs, listening to same, and have a few other things open
[12:48] <LeeColleton> how do I install Ubuntu from a USB drive?
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... i have a 266mhz sitting here and collecting dust... i wonder if i can put it to some good use...
[12:48] <Cor-Bob> I have no problem with ubuntu, it's windows that bothers me
[12:48] <dep> how work [Phaedrus]
[12:48] <Burgundavia> LeeColleton: wait until hoary comes out
[12:48] <dep> in you pc of 266mhz..
[12:49] <Cor-Bob> I have an easier time viewing WINDOW media files under linux than I do in Windows Media Player
[12:49] <Cor-Bob> when is hoary slated for release?
[12:49] <Burgundavia> april
[12:49] <LeeColleton> The way I did it last time was by installing Debian and then Ubuntu
[12:49] <[Phaedrus] > So, Mark Shuttleworth is quite lenient towards Africa
[12:49] <[Phaedrus] > interesting..
[12:49] <LeeColleton> I was just wondering if there was a quicker way
[12:49] <michel_v> yo
[12:50] <Elim> hi
[12:50] <Kamion> [Phaedrus] : well, he *is* African
[12:50] <Burgundavia> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule
[12:50] <[Phaedrus] > is that so? that would make a lot of sense. Thanks Kamion
[12:50] <michel_v> when sshd fails to start, where can I find about the error it encountered?
[12:50] <Cor-Bob> oh right he's the guy that went up in space
[12:51] <Burgundavia> michel_v: you can try dmesg
[12:51] <michel_v> dmesg doesn't hold such info
[12:51] <michel_v> (I tried)
[12:51] <zimba> hello
[12:51] <mirak_> is ubuntu installable from floppy???.......other than installing debian frum floppy...then moving to ubuntu?
[12:52] <zimba> did somebody get eclipse to work on ubuntu '
[12:52] <[Phaedrus] > how old is he Kamion?
[12:52] <manuel_> zimba: yes, i did
[12:53] <Burgundavia> Mark Shuttleworth bio: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/bio.html
[12:53] <stodge> Anyone know of a package for MonoDevelop
[12:54] <sabmoc> stodge yep
[12:54] <Rexioo> hi all
[12:54] <stodge> Which repos?
[12:54] <sabmoc> Burgundavia: how come i dont get to go into space?
[12:54] <Burgundavia> stodge: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[12:55] <sabmoc> ^ that one
[12:55] <stodge> Cool thanks
[12:55] <Burgundavia> stodge: distribution ./
[12:55] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Hey, what about me too?
[12:55] <zimba> manuel_, I'm looking in multiverse for the java package
[12:55] <stodge> Burgundavia: sorry don't understand your last comment
[12:55] <sabmoc> i think u might need to have universe as well, not sure
[12:56] <sabmoc> Burgundavia: dude! lets go to space!!
[12:56] <Burgundavia> stodge: in your sources.list the distribution column is ./
[12:56] <stodge> Ah ok :)
[12:56] <Burgundavia> stodge: our if you use synaptic
[12:56] <manuel_> zimba: oh, i installed it on my own. Download java from java.sun.com and then eclipse.
[12:56] <Burgundavia> stodge: leave sections blank
[12:56] <stodge> I see - thanks!
[12:56] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: you got 40mil?
[12:57] <JB80> anyone know how bad this thing is gonna break when i add debian to my sources? there just aren't enough packages available
[12:57] <Burgundavia> stodge: I think you need to get mono, non-dev from universe though
[12:57] <zimba> manuel_, thx :)
[12:57] <Burgundavia> JB80: no, but dont click mark all upgrades if you  have debian unstable or testing
[12:57] <JB80> i dont click
[12:57] <stodge> I installed a number of MOno packages through Synaptic
[12:58] <Burgundavia> JB80: I haven't had any problems expect running out of space for synaptic to read the repos
[12:58] <sabmoc> Burgundavia: what! 40mil?
[12:58] <Angel666> any idea how long its supposed to take in the second stage of install when its displaying the following msg "Creating device node /dev/raw1394"
[12:58] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: 20mil/person
[12:58] <sabmoc> WHAT!
[12:58] <Craigory> Hello all.  I've been a Debian Sid user for some time now, and I wanted to try the Ubuntu Live CD.  Unfortunately, my machine crashes when booting from the CD.  No live CD (Knoppix, Gnoppix, etc) has ever booted my machine into X without a crash.  Any ideas?
[12:58] <JB80> i didnt think upgrading was an option but every debian package i install upgrades major libs
[12:58] <sabmoc> that is so unresonable
[12:59] <amathis> Hawkwind has been telling me great things bout' ubuntu.
[12:59] <manuel_> zimba: for eclipse you have to set JAVA_HOME in .gnomerc in your home
[12:59] <Cor-Bob> how do I set the hostname to be something other than my ip adress...
[12:59] <limaunion> does anyone know why the ov511 driver doesn't work properly ?
[12:59] <Burgundavia> Craigory: if you just want to upgrade, on the ubuntu wiki there is a clear upgrade path laid out
[12:59] <Cor-Bob> I ran hostname last time I booted, but it reverted on a reboot:(
[12:59] <Hawkwind> Cor-Bob: That is only a temp fix.  Look for something like /etc/hosts maybe ?
[01:00] <[Phaedrus] > Craigory, if every live CD crashes, there is probably a good reason for it
[01:00] <[Phaedrus] > starting with IRQ issues, to bad Memory.. the possibilities are endless
[01:00] <ogra> Cor-Bob: Computer->System Tools->Network
[01:00] <stodge> Try adding the following as kernel options in Grub:      noapic nolapic
[01:01] <Craigory> You mean upgrade Sid -> Ubuntu?  That's an interesting option.  I agree about there being a good reason.  My hardware is funky (nforce).  However, Debian has been running fantastically for me for a long time now.
[01:01] <Burgundavia> Craigory: yep
[01:01] <Kamion> amathis: as in the band?
[01:01] <amathis> Kamion, ?
[01:02] <Kamion> Hawkwind
[01:02] <GotD0t> anybody have any experience using cdrdao?
[01:02] <Craigory> I wonder... is the reverse Ubuntu -> Sid possible?  Furthermore, I use lots of weird packages from "universe", especially related to the Ocaml programming language.  Should I expect those to be working with Ubuntu?
[01:02] <amathis> Kamion, no, he is a user.
[01:02] <Hawkwind> Kamion: No I don't get my nick from the band
[01:02] <JB80> you cant upgrade sid to ubunto, all the packages are ancient compared to sarge, much less sid
[01:02] <[Phaedrus] > What on earth is Sid?
[01:02] <amathis> (perhaps named after a band)
[01:02] <Kamion> amathis: oh, I didn't notice the user. :-)
[01:02] <Echramath> [Phaedrus] : Debian Unstable?
[01:02] <JB80> ubuntu even
[01:02] <stodge> Wow MonoDevelop actually runs! First time I've managed to compile and run any developed programms in Ubuntu! :P
[01:02] <[Phaedrus] > ah
[01:02] <amathis> :P
[01:02] <Burgundavia> [Phaedrus] : sid is debian unstable
[01:02] <amathis> Kamion, I currently run slackware
[01:02] <Echramath> Sid is the boy in the Toy Story who breaks toys.
[01:03] <ogra> Hawkwind: do you say ubuntu if i play you backwards ?
[01:03] <amathis> Kamion, I was looking for a distro that had a good package system, but was not overly userfriendly like mandrake or RH
[01:03] <amathis> Kamion, because when I try to compile something on those distros.. it is hell
[01:03] <[Phaedrus] > Echramath, that's what I thought... or my friend who has the same name
[01:03] <Elim> i hate public speaking, id rather be pelted with rotten vegetables than do public speaking.
[01:04] <[Phaedrus] > amathis: so you like a good challenge?
[01:04] <stodge> Anyone know how to fix this error when using Anjuta to build a Gnome app?   config.status: error: cannot find input file: intl/Makefile.in
[01:04] <Kamion> Craigory: either direction will require some work
[01:04] <amathis> [Phaedrus] , yes :)
[01:04] <Kamion> Craigory: we're ahead of sid in some cases and behind it in others
[01:04] <GoneBoB> stodge: looks like it hasn't run autoconf properly
[01:04] <Craigory> Well, I could "downgrade" to Ubuntu with a little more effort, probably.  Mostly I just want the "just works" aspect of the Ubuntu Desktop, as well as some of the Gnome tweaks like the trash applet.
[01:04] <ogra> stodge: build-essential installed ?
[01:04] <stodge> I think it all is
[01:05] <stodge> Yes it is installed
[01:05] <Angel666> now my install is locking up right after the "starting pcmcia services" anyone else have this issue?
[01:05] <stodge> gonebob: what can I do about that?
[01:05] <Craigory> Thanks for the tips guys.
[01:06] <brad> will ubuntu install and run on something as old as a pentium 75?
[01:06] <GoneBoB> stodge: hm, actually Makefile.in should be there.. something is broken
[01:06] <GoneBoB> brad: I wouldn't recommend it
[01:06] <JB80> no brad, you need something lighter
[01:06] <Hikaru79> If I want to UNinstall the Java SDK after I've installed it, is it enough to simply delete the files? Or is there a special uninstallation procedure
[01:06] <GoneBoB> running GNOME on a P75 is not a good idea
[01:06] <GoneBoB> I mean, you can DO it
[01:06] <stodge> Looks like it - don't know how to fix it
[01:06] <[Phaedrus] > brad, it would choke and burn
[01:06] <letheus> Does anyone know, how to make the splash-screen fill out the whole screen? If you understand?
[01:06] <Cor-Bob> :) my usb flash key works under ubuntu with very little configurlation
[01:06] <__daniel> sleep tight
[01:06] <GoneBoB> Hikaru79: deletion is fine, unless you installed a package, in which case you can just remove it
[01:07] <Echramath> brad: I suggest no gui for a P75.
[01:07] <brad> ya ive got it installed on my desktop here but i just came up on an old p75 lookin for something to do with it
[01:07] <Echramath> brad: And no Linux at all under 32 megs.
[01:07] <GoneBoB> Cor-Bob: yes :)
[01:07] <GoneBoB> brad: bin it :)
[01:07] <GoneBoB> unfortunately the need for hardware like that has (IMHO) decreased to close to 0
[01:08] <Echramath> If it's silent, it's an useful firewall maybe.
[01:08] <GoneBoB> when you can buy a hardware based router such as the linksys that will run linux anyway and has no moving parts etc and costs SFA
[01:08] <jdub> the linksys wrt54g and wrt54gs
[01:09] <JB80> brad. put vector on that P75. it'll work with some modifying
[01:09] <GoneBoB> jdub: yeah I have a WRT54GS, $155 AUD
[01:09] <kensai> I've installed gtk-gnutella and it isn't conecting to nothing. I need to add something to for it to connect?
[01:11] <letheus> Does anyone know, how to make the splash-screen fill out the whole screen?
[01:11] <Echramath> Most likely Debian will also run on a P75.
[01:11] <brad> cool, i'll figure out something to do with it, thanks for the help
[01:13] <weswh-> i wonder if linux will ever get to the point where you have to have spyware/adware/virus scan apps installed. being that it is open source it's different...but who knows, seems like there would still be malicious parties out there. i guess its harder to tack on malicious programs to others...plus the system in general being more aware/secure
[01:14] <Echramath> weswh-: The main reason might be the diversity off Linux distros and programs and users with clue.
[01:15] <GoneBoB> weswh-: they do exist
[01:15] <GoneBoB> but as Echramath said
[01:15] <GoneBoB> the diversity is so great that it's hard to attack all of them
[01:15] <GoneBoB> even if you target a specific distribution
[01:15] <GoneBoB> there can be many different configurations
[01:15] <HWolf> Can someone give me a solution for changing the permission on about 600 files from 'root' to 'users'?
[01:16] <GoneBoB> chown users *
[01:16] <GoneBoB> ?
[01:16] <mirak_> cany ou do that?
[01:16] <GoneBoB> what exactly do you need done
[01:16] <GoneBoB> yes you can
[01:16] <mirak_> :)
[01:17] <HWolf> I copied my music collection from my ntfs read-only disk (where I can't change permissions) using root, to a directory in home.
[01:17] <ogra> GoneBoB: he wants to access th efiles on his ntfs
[01:17] <HWolf> Now every file of my music collection has owner: root, group root. SO I can't play them.
[01:17] <ogra> HWolf: won'T help to chown
[01:17] <GoneBoB> ogra: no, he's copied them to home
[01:17] <ogra> ouch
[01:18] <ogra> sorry
[01:18] <ogra> so chownis fine
[01:18] <GoneBoB> yeah
[01:18] <GoneBoB> if they are in directories
[01:18] <HWolf> they are.
[01:18] <GoneBoB> chown -R user * will do it
[01:18] <HWolf> sorted by artist, then album.
[01:19] <HWolf> so to change /home/music and everything in it to users I run 'chown -R user /home/music' ?
[01:20] <GoneBoB> where 'user' is your user
[01:20] <GoneBoB> yeah
[01:20] <zimba> manuel_, I was able to build a java1.5 package with this page : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java/
[01:21] <HWolf> Thanks.
[01:21] <HWolf> works.
[01:21] <HWolf> Can't live without music. :-)
[01:21] <GoneBoB> :)
[01:21] <ogra> HWolf: who can ?
[01:22] <Echramath> The deaf.
[01:22] <HWolf> The tasteless.
[01:22] <ogra> Echramath: ok thats a point
[01:22] <GoneBoB> the dead.
[01:22] <HWolf> :-P
[01:22] <HWolf> GoneBoB: Since when do the dead live?
[01:23] <GoneBoB> HWolf: do you not watch movies?
[01:23] <GoneBoB> it happens all the time
[01:23] <HWolf> I've got a friend who is into the paranormal, but even he talks about spirits, not zombies. :-)
[01:23] <GoneBoB> :)
[01:23] <zimba> do you know if ubuntu will support php5 '
[01:24] <mirak_> how to use a .run file?
[01:24] <mirak_> ss?
[01:24] <mirak_> ss <filename> ?
[01:24] <GoneBoB> zimba: I would say that hoary (the next release) will have php5
[01:25] <GoneBoB> mirak_: sh 'file.run'
[01:25] <GoneBoB> or chmod +x file.run
[01:25] <GoneBoB> ./file.run
[01:25] <letheus> does someone know how to get to the theme-chooser from the terminal?
[01:25] <GoneBoB> gnome-theme-manager
[01:25] <axehat> I just put in a new basic 32mb video card into this machine I am working on. It has an onboard adapter I was previously using. It boots up normally and shows the boot process, and when it dumps to the X server for the auto-login the screen goes blank with a green power LED on the monitor. I rebooted and chose to go into the recovery console, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out?
[01:25] <mirak_> gonebob, thnx
[01:26] <zimba> GoneBoB, thx, and release cycle is every 6 monthy no ? (and warthog has just been released)
[01:26] <GoneBoB> axehat: X probably things that you're using the old card
[01:26] <GoneBoB> zimba: yes that's correct
[01:26] <TheMuso> axehat: Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to reconfigure your card.
[01:26] <axehat> Right, and I put the monitor back on that adapter and the same problem. I'm assuming I have to edit some config file?
[01:26] <GoneBoB> axehat: dpkg-reconfirfure xserver-xfree86
[01:26] <axehat> Alright, thanks.
[01:27] <GoneBoB> oh
[01:27] <GoneBoB> heh
[01:27] <Craigory> Is "universe" similar to testing or unstable or what?
[01:27] <TheMuso> Craigory: Universe is Debian unstable frozen back in June I think.
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> Craigory: universe is similar to testing as of ~ 6 months ago
[01:27] <TheMuso> Or debian testing.
[01:28] <mirak_> yeah.....universe is a freeze
[01:28] <letheus> thanks
[01:28] <mirak_> how to enable root password.....i need to use su
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: sudo passwd
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: sudo -s
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: will act like su
[01:29] <brettcar> mirak_: But if you really need su, use 'sudo passwd' to set a root passwd
[01:29] <Craigory> Ok.  Does Ubuntu modify Universe to better work with Ubuntu, or is it a copy?  I ask I'm interested in mixing unstable and ubuntu. (obviously I won't be surprised if there are serious problems)
[01:29] <mirak_> brettcar, thnx.....it asked for my su pass in a pop-up window during a install.......but i will just use sudo sh
[01:29] <mirak_> vrettcar, i didnt think to do that till just now
[01:30] <HWolf> How good are the chances of me getting a random windows program to work under ubuntu?
[01:30] <TheMuso> Craigory: All packages in Universe are a copy of Debian testing but built against a Ubuntu base.
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> HWolf: as good as any other distro
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> using wine
[01:30] <brettcar> Craigory: There will be serious problems
[01:30] <TheMuso> Craigory: So you are not able to mix unstable with it. I suggest to grab the unstable sources and rebuild against Ubuntu.
[01:30] <weswh-> i just installed...everything went fine. now I am in Gnome - and the mouse is acting absolutely crazy (usb mouse)...hard to explain...i can hold it up in the air and move it around, and the cursor jumps all around, things are clicked...etc.
[01:30] <HWolf> hrdwrBoB, I've never tried it on any distro. :-)
[01:30] <brettcar> Craigory: libc etc etc in Ubuntu was from testing and not unstable, and mixing unstable debian packages will freak it out
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> Craigory: I have personally mixed unstable and ubuntu without problems, however that was only for mythtv
[01:30] <weswh-> anyone seen anything like that?
[01:31] <TheMuso> As I said, if the packages are not system critical, you should be able to grab any standard app in unstable, and any newer dependancies if need be and rebuild them against Ubuntu for your own use. I have done that for a couple of things.
[01:32] <geppy> I'd like to install extendedprefs for GAIM, but I'm unable to, as it uses libtool, and I don't have anything else installed with it, so all of the environment variables and such are undeclared.  What should I do?
[01:32] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: why, its in multiverse
[01:32] <TheMuso> geppy: Why not install libtool?
[01:33] <geppy> TheMuso: I did, but I'm getting things like "extendedprefs.c:553: error: `GAIM_MINOR_VERSION' undeclared here (not in a function)"
[01:33] <Craigory> Ok.  Interesting.  What are the chances that just adding warty to my sources.list and executing "apt-get dist-upgrade" will hose my system? (:  Sounds like about 100%.
[01:33] <geppy> TheMuso:  (tons and tons of things like that)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: a few months ago it wasn't
[01:33] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: so youre a sounder guy.....
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> I installed ubuntu about.. 20 times :)
[01:35] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: i did more than 20...and not one reinstall for several noobs tha are really happy without virii *g*
[01:35] <HWolf> Wine is still alpha? It's been around for ages, hasn't it?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> HWolf: wine is ... interesting
[01:35] <[Phaedrus] > alright folks... i'm off
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> it has been around for years
[01:36] <weswh-> no one has ever had mouse problems after install?
[01:36] <[Phaedrus] > later guys
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> many applications work, many don't
[01:36] <ogra> HWolf: so has windows ;)
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> weswh-: what mouse and how is it setup
[01:36] <HWolf> It's my best chance tho?
[01:36] <geppy> HWolf:  Yes.
[01:36] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: what port is it connecting to?
[01:36] <geppy> HWolf: Unless you want to run games with Cedega.
[01:36] <GotD0t> i cant do cdrecord -scanbus
[01:37] <HWolf> It's just my own bit of software. :-)
[01:37] <weswh-> hr - well it's a microsoft optical, ps2 (going through a KVM)...previously in a gentoo install it had no problems...
[01:37] <weswh-> jumping randomly all over the screen, clicking things, opening programs...and i have not clicked a mouse button. I can move the mouse up 1 inch, and have it jump all over the screen, clicking 4 times in the process..
[01:37] <ogra> GotD0t: sudo ?
[01:37] <weswh-> (i just finished the install)
[01:37] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: wrong driver
[01:37] <GotD0t> ogra tried with and without
[01:37] <GotD0t> ogra: same error
[01:37] <HWolf> My MS Optical is working great. I've got middle-mouse, just not the thumb and little finger button. Out of the box
[01:38] <weswh-> phae - interesting...i'd think it could handle standard ps/2
[01:38] <ogra> GotD0t: sudo modprobe sg ? probably
[01:38] <[Phaedrus] > i'm sure it could, just try a different driver
[01:38] <weswh-> so, being that i basically have no mouse control...how do i go about trying to get the right driver loaded?
[01:38] <GotD0t> ogra: thanks
[01:38] <weswh-> is there a keyboard shortcut to exit out of gnome and get to console?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> weswh-: crtl+alt+F1
[01:38] <weswh-> oh...duh.
[01:38] <weswh-> hehe
[01:39] <weswh-> sometimes we forget the basics ;)
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> not me ;)
[01:39] <axehat> OK. I did the dpkg-reconfigure and I told it to use the SiS driver. Starting X gives me "XIO: fatal IO errors 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining."
[01:39] <weswh-> so is this something i need to modprobe more or less?
[01:39] <LinuxJones> weswh-, Can you plug it directly into the computer and try the PS/2 port ?
[01:39] <Kamion> TheMuso,brettcar: We branched Ubuntu from unstable, not testing.
[01:39] <Kamion> (on 28 June)
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> axehat: put the contents of /var/log/Xfree86.0.log in pastebin.com
[01:40] <weswh-> i could - however...the box was working fine with the current setup a few days ago..before i installed ubuntu.
[01:40] <weswh-> it's not a port issue (knock on wood)
[01:40] <weswh-> phae - could you give me any help, on how to find the right driver and get it applied, through console?
[01:41] <axehat> Popping that up in vi shows nothing in it. Is pastebin.com in /var/log ?
[01:41] <weswh-> (if i am in a vc, fix the problem..i should then be able to go back into gnome...and have it work...without having to restart it, right?)
[01:41] <ogra> is the guy with the as400 clinet still around ?
[01:41] <weswh-> btw - what vc is x-windows? 7?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> axehat: pastebin.com is a website :)
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> weswh-: 7
[01:41] <axehat> Okay, heh :D
[01:41] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: could you try connecting the mouse directly to the port, before we go on with more adventures?
[01:42] <axehat> But if the file is empty what am I putting there?
[01:42] <tolstory> Is lamont here?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> weswh-, You can throw away that KVM and use >> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ to control your other computers over your local lan usign your KB/Mouse :)
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> axehat: there should be an X log file in that directory
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> have a look
[01:43] <weswh-> phae - sure thing.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> LinuxJones: except that it doesn't work if they don't have a monitor
[01:43] <Craigory> Kamion, are you sure Ubuntu branched from unstable; not testing?  If so, I think I may have some success mixing Ubuntu and Unstable packages.  If not, I would have to rebuild from source, which would be a pain for more than 1 or 2 packages.
[01:44] <mirak> i just installed about 15 apps from synaptic...i dont remember the names of them....and they arent in the menu.....is there any way to auto add them to it?
[01:44] <axehat> Ah, I was not including the capital 'F'. I am talking here on my PowerBook, how should I go about copying that log into the pastebin.com website?
[01:44] <jdub> Craigory: definitely a branch off sid. :)
[01:44] <ogra> Craigory: what are you missing ?
[01:44] <jdub> Craigory: we actively discourage mixing of debian and ubuntu repos.
[01:45] <GotD0t> can anybody help me get cdrdao working...
[01:45] <jdub> mirak: if they have menu items, they will be added automatically
[01:45] <GotD0t> mirak: once you restart X i believe...
[01:45] <LinuxJones> HrdwrBoB, Ya I guess :P
[01:46] <mirak> jdub, gotdot, kk.....looks like im bumed out
[01:46] <[Phaedrus] > thanks weswh-
[01:46] <Craigory> jdub, just investigating my options.  Maybe universe has all that I will need, but there are some esoteric Ocaml packages that have been released since June that I would like to hang on to.
[01:46] <jdub> Craigory: stuff can be fixed in universe if it's just build issues in the way
[01:47] <weswh-> it works when connected directly.
[01:48] <weswh-> so, there is a kvm driver/correction of some sort?
[01:48] <Craigory> Also, I want to migrate unstable to ubuntu because installing ubuntu from scratch would be very difficult on my hardware.  No installer has ever "just worked" for me.
[01:48] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I'm hiding... :-)
[01:48] <mirak> anyone know how to launch beneath-a-steel-sky?
[01:48] <tolstoy> lamont_r, I was just wondering if you could give me some pointers on how I can help you with sbcl. ;)
[01:49] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I can certainly send you the logfile from the build attempt, and the mailing list has the necessary config to (hopefully) reproduce the failure
[01:49] <tolstoy> lamont_r, for instance, I can download the stuff in "universe" and see if I can compile it.
[01:49] <lamont_r> then we just need a patch for that, and all should be happy
[01:49] <tolstoy> lamont_r, okay. Well, I don't know what the stuff on the mailing list means, so praps I'll just thrash some more.
[01:50] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I'll also see if I can get it to build on hoary, which may work better - dunno what shape sbcl was in on June 28
[01:50] <weswh-> it worked fine over the KVM in a previous gentoo install...with gnome, no less. So..what kind of driver/correction do i need to be looking for?
[01:50] <Craigory> Thanks all.
[01:51] <tolstoy> lamont_r, me either. ;)  I'll see if I can find where that error message occurs, if nothing else.  prob needs an additional package installed is what I'm thinking.
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > any luck weswh-?
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-: it could be a wrong detection by Xserver...
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > there have been times when my microsoft mouse worked better with a logitech driver
[01:52] <tolstoy> lamont_r, should I work on the 8.15 version you have in /universe?
[01:54] <tolstoy> D'oh!
[01:54] <weswh-> phae - plugged in directly it works fine
[01:54] <weswh-> so it's a kvm issue..
[01:54] <weswh-> it worked fine over the KVM in a previous gentoo install...with gnome, no less. So..what kind of driver/correction do i need to be looking for?
[01:55] <[Phaedrus] > weswh-, somebody here made a suggestion to use synergy instead of KVM
[01:56] <weswh-> phae - that doesn't help me on the monitor issue
[01:56] <zimba> ruby package is outdated.. what can I do to help ?
[01:56] <[Phaedrus] > i've never really used KVM before... so i'm a bit clueless here
[01:57] <geppy> I use a KVM, never had any trouble, for what it's worth
[01:59] <weswh-> geppy - bottom line is, when i connect to the KVM all of the sudden i go haywire :)
[01:59] <weswh-> maybe i had a loose connection or something
[01:59] <weswh-> i will try plugging back in
[02:00] <amathis> ubuntu uses debian pkg manager right?
[02:00] <Kamion> amathis: yes
[02:00] <weswh-> nope, plug into the KVM and it goes mad
[02:00] <amathis> does ubuntu have X installable from install?
[02:01] <amathis> err, XFree
[02:01] <amathis> or xorg
[02:01] <[Phaedrus] > Xfree
[02:01] <ogra> amathis: warty == xfree, hoary == xorg
[02:01] <amathis> is ubuntu easy to set up for a workspace?
[02:01] <[Phaedrus] > i wonder if there could be a bot made to pick up questions, and paste from the FAQ
[02:02] <amathis> I am about to install something else, and I want to install something that I will enjoy.
[02:02] <ogra> amathis: the easyest distro currently ;) me thinks
[02:02] <amathis> is it a graphicl install? or like slackware.
[02:02] <[Phaedrus] > Amathis: the installation procedure says nothing about being on the command line, and doesnt extend more than a few easy steps... i think that speaks for itself
[02:03] <amathis> [Phaedrus] , I have no problem with installing from command line
[02:03] <amathis> so it has a graphical partioner?
[02:03] <amathis> because I want to save /home
[02:03] <Kamion> amathis: X is in the default installation
[02:03] <[Phaedrus] > i'm just saying, its a easy interface
[02:03] <amathis> and I have never done that using fdisk.
[02:03] <Kamion> amathis: no graphical partitioner, but it's a text-based user interface, not fdisk
[02:03] <amathis> I don't wanna lose music and files.
[02:03] <amathis> ok.
[02:04] <amathis> does it actually use the debian servers? or just the program
[02:04] <ogra> amathis: sets up nearly everything automatic...
[02:04] <Kamion> amathis: it's neither a graphical installer nor like Slackware. :-)
[02:04] <amathis> ogra, I don't want it to format /home
[02:04] <Kamion> amathis: doesn't use the Debian servers, no
[02:04] <amathis> oh.
[02:04] <tolstoy> lamont, I know you're not there, but whoo-hoo! reproduced your error.
[02:04] <amathis> does it have a lot of packages?
[02:04] <HWolf> ugh, If I want to install a theme, I have to select the .tar.tgz file with 'install theme' right?
[02:04] <Kamion> amathis: use the "Manual partitioning" option, you can carve up the partitions how you like
[02:05] <amathis> because one thing I hate about slackware is the lack of packages
[02:05] <Kamion> amathis: 2000-odd supported, more unsupported ones in 'universe'
[02:05] <Kamion> see the web site
[02:05] <amathis> ok, I think you have convinced me.
[02:05] <amathis> anyone got any screenies?
[02:06] <Kamion> there've been some going round on various web sites, don't have links to hand
[02:06] <Kamion> google would probably find 'e,
[02:06] <Kamion> 'em
[02:07] <Kamion> yes, google for "ubuntu screenshots"
[02:07] <kensai> how to configure gnome to just have 1 desktop not 4 despktops that I can change to?
[02:07] <jdub> kensai: right click on the desktop changer
[02:07] <jdub> choose preferences
[02:07] <jdub> then reduce the number of workspaces :)
[02:07] <kensai> what a moron I am sorry and Thanks I was a KDE user
[02:08] <jdub> nah, 'sok :)
[02:08] <kensai> But I'm liking Gnome so far
[02:08] <jdub> cool
[02:08] <jdub> what do you like?
[02:08] <kensai> it is faster and less buggy
[02:09] <kensai> kde has so many bugs
[02:09] <Echramath> Btw, I appreciate that The Gimp is called "The Gimp" and not "Image editing".
[02:10] <kensai> LOL good detail ^
[02:10] <Echramath> well, not only that detail.
[02:10] <Echramath> My gf installed Suse and everything seems to be named that way.
[02:10] <stodge> Unfortunately Gnome don't seem to want anyone to develop apps with Anjuta or create bindings using Glade..... Spent days trying to compile something with both of these - zero success. At least kdevelop was much easier. One small benefit to KDE :)
[02:10] <kensai> yeah
[02:11] <kensai> I wish my girl friend changes to Linux
[02:11] <jdub> my fiancee uses Ubuntu at work :)
[02:12] <[Phaedrus] > is she a geek kensai?
[02:12] <kensai> she tells me she love the penguin but does not want to change cause she only use the pc for university work
[02:12] <kensai> no shes just a reg user
[02:13] <kensai> But I feel I can change her pc to Linux ones her dell warraty runs out
[02:13] <Kamion> my girlfriend's hard disk is way too small for Ubuntu, sadly
[02:13] <kensai> how many GBs?
[02:13] <GotD0t> can anybdoy help me get cdrdao working?
[02:13] <Kamion> may just buy her a new one, although I kind of fear for the state of the rest of the system, too
[02:14] <Kamion> kensai: what are these "gigabytes" of which you speak? :-)
[02:14] <Kamion> kensai: more like 200MB
[02:14] <kensai> HDD
[02:14] <kensai> OHH LOL
[02:14] <Kamion> kensai: sarcasm
[02:14] <Echramath> Well, you can you that drive to boot.
[02:14] <kensai> Ohhh
[02:14] <jdub> Kamion: you should swap the hard drive for a bigger compact flash card... ;)
[02:15] <GotD0t> kamion: my PDA has 32 mb less than her HD built in
[02:15] <Echramath> Any hard disk with ball bearing is unuseable for desktop use anyway.
[02:16] <letheus> How can i change style/theme in fluxbox?
[02:16] <kensai> GotDOt: LOL
[02:17] <GotD0t> Kamion: and with the SD card its got 440mb more than
[02:18] <GotD0t> so, any help with cdrdao?
[02:18] <mirak> letheus, right click.....its in there somewhere
[02:18] <mirak> letheus, styles maybe?
[02:21] <letheus> mirak, Well, i have installed them, but i don?t know hoe to activate them
[02:23] <stodge> Absolutely bizarre - Anjuta won't even compile a simple C++ app
[02:26] <Hikaru79> Hey, I'm having some problems getting Java to run on my comp o_O
[02:26] <Hikaru79> Can anyone offer some help?
[02:26] <letheus> mirak, Rightclick? I?ve got three options: Xterm, restart, exit :)
[02:27] <tolstoy> is there a way to list the contents of an installed package without having the deb on your disk?
[02:27] <tolstoy> nevermind.
[02:28] <GotD0t> does anybody know anything about SCSI emulation?
[02:29] <mirak> OMG....super mario rpg
[02:29] <mirak> letheus, fluxbox right......give me a sec...ill log into that
[02:29] <letheus> ok
[02:30] <Kamion> stodge: g++ is installed, right?
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: yeah
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: you shouldn't need it
[02:30] <mirak> letheus, ok...im in fluxbox now
[02:31] <letheus> mirak, ok
[02:31] <Tufek> hi everyone..i need fast adres for ubuntu linux download..do you know that?
[02:31] <stodge> yes
[02:31] <Kamion> Tufek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/, pick closest mirror to you
[02:32] <Hikaru79> Can anyone help me with my Java installation?
[02:32] <Kamion> dieman: hm, I think I lost your request to add a mirror to the web site; could you mail it to me?
[02:32] <mirak> letheus, when i right click i get apps, games, help, screen, windowmanagers, xshells, configure, styles, workspace, reconfigure, restart, exit
[02:32] <stodge> g++ and g++-3.3 are installed
[02:32] <pbook> has anyone installed mac on linux?
[02:32] <Tufek> Kamion, Kamion is that place fast?
[02:32] <letheus> mirak, well, i only get Exit, Restart and Xterm
[02:33] <Kamion> Tufek: uh, it's a mirror page, it's not big
[02:33] <mirak> latheus, hmmm....maybe try to reinstall it.....
[02:33] <Kamion> Tufek: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/warty/ should be reasonably quick for you for CD image download
[02:33] <mirak> letheus, idk <.............newb
[02:33] <letheus> mirak, ok
[02:33] <Tufek> Kamion, thaks a lot :)
[02:33] <stodge> THis is just odd
[02:34] <Kamion> Tufek: P.S. it's polite to say where you are for questions like that so that we don't have to use /whois
[02:34] <GotD0t> HrdwrBoB: then why does cdrdao not see my device?
[02:34] <mirak> i installed kde (stupid).....is there a fast way to get rid of all things kde related?
[02:34] <pbook> what's the best gnome program you guys know about?
[02:35] <mirak> for?
[02:35] <Hikaru79> pbook, for what purpose?
[02:35] <stodge> remove a core KDE library?
[02:35] <pbook> for running music mixes
[02:36] <pbook> i've tried to get mac on linux working so i can use itunes
[02:36] <pbook> but it doesn't seem to work
[02:37] <pbook> has anyone had luck getting mac on linux to run on ubuntu?
[02:41] <j0hn> hi
[02:41] <GotD0t> hi
[02:44] <LinuxJones>  /msg NickServ LinuxJones LinuxJones
[02:45] <GotD0t> hmm
[02:46] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: do you have any clue why cdrdao doesn't see my burner?
[02:48] <Nigelenki> still no nuvola :)
[02:48] <Nigelenki> ok, I set my keymap as qwerty, but i have dvorak
[02:48] <Nigelenki> I have X set up right, but how do I fix the console
[02:49] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, your issuing cdrdao scanbus and it's not finding anything ?
[02:49] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nope, nada
[02:50] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, what does ls -al /dev/cdrom output ?
[02:50] <GotD0t> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            3 2004-10-20 18:46 /dev/cdrom -> hdd
[02:50] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, was it working @ some point ?
[02:51] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: never tried using it before
[02:51] <tolstoy> Can anyone point this noob to "how to make a patch"?  Not sure which diff command to use, etc.
[02:51] <brettcar> tolstoy: diff file1 file2
[02:52] <brettcar> tolstoy: diff file1 file2 > outfile.patch
[02:52] <tolstoy> brettcar, that looks easy.  Do I have to be in a certain directory?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, put a cdrom in there (with something on it) and see if it auto mounts
[02:52] <brettcar> tolstoy: No it will operate on the files your point to and output to your current directory
[02:53] <tolstoy> brettcar, In other words, I have a tarball, unpack it, go down several levels, add a line or two to a file.
[02:53] <brad> sorry to ask such a stupid question, but is there an easy way to mount my NTFS partition read only ?
[02:53] <tolstoy> brettcar, I'd like to create a patch you can apply at the top level of the source.
[02:53] <tolstoy> brettcar, well, I'll experiment.
[02:53] <brettcar> tolstoy: then run patch from the top level
[02:53] <tolstoy> ok.
[02:54] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nothing... thats odd, they used to auto mount
[02:54] <Kamion> brettcar: please always use diff -u
[02:54] <brettcar> Kamion: Tell tolstoy that :)
[02:54] <Kamion> tolstoy: ^-
[02:55] <Kamion> plain diff stops being useful as soon as the file you're applying it to changes much at all
[02:55] <stodge> Some mailing list posts instruct people to roll back gettext to 0.11 or 0.10. Wonder if the version in Ubuntu doesn't work properly?
[02:55] <Kamion> tolstoy: to diff directories, use 'diff -ru'
[02:56] <Kamion> tolstoy: if new files are involved, use the -N flag as well
[02:56] <letheus> I re-installed Fluxbox 4 times, but still i only get 3 options: Exit, Restart, Xterm.
[02:57] <Zindar> letheus: try one more time! :)
[02:57] <Zindar> no.. just kidding.. shouldn't matter how many times you reinstall :)
[02:57] <letheus> Zindar, Oh, i was just about to do it
[02:57] <pbook> anyone running mol?
[02:58] <letheus> This is annnoying
[02:58] <jdub> letheus: reinstalling just puts exactly the same files on your disk :)
[02:58] <Zindar> haha.. you've used windows to much :)
[02:59] <tolstoy> Kamion, thanks.
[02:59] <letheus> jdub, I had the same problems with other WM?s and an re-installation helped
[02:59] <letheus> Zindar, you talk too much
[03:00] <tolstoy> Kamion, okay, the patch looks like the diff.gz applied to the original sbcl, so maybe that's it.
[03:01] <kensai> what is speedo that loads in xfree86?
[03:01] <letheus> Maybe i should try installing blackbox instead
[03:02] <kensai> I'm going to clean my xfree86
[03:02] <kensai> is it safe to remove Load speedo?
[03:03] <ficusplanet> I have an interesting problem.  My parent's HP desktop has onboard video that has apparently crapped out.  Does anyone know how I can get thing to pick up on the new PCI video card?  If I can fix this, it will be one more Ubuntu box out there on the Net.
[03:04] <jdub> most likely a bios setting
[03:04] <weswh-> probably disable it in bios
[03:05] <ficusplanet> jdub, Yeah.  That's hard to do though, without video.
[03:05] <GotD0t> hmm... question, should i not be able to print a flash window?
[03:06] <ficusplanet> I guess it might be a good time to upgrade.
[03:06] <limaunion> hi, could somebody compile nvidia's driver for a 2.6.9 kernel ? I'm getting some 'wrong kernel source' error.
[03:11] <tolstoy> patch generation advice anyone?
[03:12] <hftz> so...
[03:12] <tolstoy> I have tarball
[03:12] <hftz> when should i expect my cds?
[03:12] <tolstoy> I make changes to code in tarball
[03:12] <tolstoy> then I diff against tarball.orig?
[03:12] <hftz> oh
[03:12] <hftz> topic
[03:12] <hftz> nevermind
[03:17] <kensai> how can I start nautilus-cd-burner it is not in the gnome menu
[03:17] <kensai> ?
[03:17] <jdub> kensai: the burn: location will pop up when you insert a blank disc
[03:17] <JanneM> open a nautilus window
[03:17] <jdub> kensai: you can also get to it from the Places menu in nautilus
[03:17] <JanneM> in "places" menu there should be cd creator
[03:18] <tolstoy> Hm. My diff seems to think it's a "reverse".
[03:18] <kensai> places menu?
[03:19] <kensai> Ok it is burn///
[03:20] <ubiq> hi people
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> hey
[03:22] <weswh-> does having scroll lock on in gnome cause the mouse to act differently for anyone>?
[03:23] <ubiq> how do i check the md5sum while in windows?
[03:24] <georgia> ubiq: there are lots of programs to do that, a quick search on google will turn up several
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.etree.org/md5com.html
[03:24] <limaunion> ubiq: this is the right program: http://digestit.kennethballard.com/
[03:25] <ubiq> ok, thanks a lot gyus::)
[03:25] <limaunion> right=best
[03:27] <weswh-> is there any way in Gnome to "shift" the horizontal image over a little bit? For some reason my monitor (lcd) shows windows perfectly centered, but Gnome a little off to the right side - both running at 1280x1024@60hz - so it will only remember one setting for the resolution...yet for whatever reason they don't both center.
[03:28] <weswh-> maybe there is a slight difference in the hz or res or something that is causing it...or perhaps there is just a simple software adjustment?
[03:29] <xskoulax> weswh-: i have a similar problem, you can fix it by auto adjusting your lcd
[03:30] <weswh-> auto adjusting it everytime you go to one or the other?
[03:30] <xskoulax> yea
[03:30] <xskoulax> just a case of hittin a button and waiting maybe 2 seconds
[03:30] <weswh-> yeah
[03:31] <xskoulax> i'd imagine its easier then trying to fix it anyother ways
[03:31] <weswh-> hrmm, except I just did an auto and it overwrote all of the tweaks i've done to make it look good.

[03:31] <JanneM> there is an app xvidtune you can use
[03:31] <weswh-> (just got the monitor today)
[03:32] <JanneM> it will give you a amodeline you can use in your X config file
[03:32] <weswh-> is there an easy way to access the x config file through GUI?
[03:32] <xskoulax> JanneM: does that let you specify the offset or sumpthing?
[03:32] <JanneM> not for this kind of thing, no
[03:32] <weswh-> i looked under the config editor..and didnt see anything for x
[03:33] <JanneM> xskoulax: it's fully interactive
[03:33] <JanneM> you probably have it already
[03:33] <JanneM> it's part of the standard X installation
[03:33] <xskoulax> i might have to look at then when i next do an install on my desktop
[03:33] <weswh-> so i have to go to console and sudo edit the file?
[03:33] <JanneM> yep
[03:33] <JanneM> and you need to know how to edit it
[03:33] <tolstoy> lamont_r, I posted a patch to the devel list. hope it woiks. ;-)
[03:33] <JanneM> not trivial
[03:33] <JanneM> but it does fix this kind of thing
[03:34] <weswh-> so xvidtune is not a graphical tool?
[03:34] <JanneM> it is
[03:34] <lamont_r> tolstoy: I'll try it and upload if it fixes it.
[03:34] <JanneM> weswh-: but to make the change permanent, it needs to go into the config file
[03:34] <JanneM> or you'll just run xvidtune every time which is even more work than resetting your monitor every time
[03:35] <weswh-> gotcha
[03:35] <tolstoy> lamont_r, okay. thanks for your help.  this is all pretty new for me, this patch/diff stuff. ;)
[03:36] <lamont_r> heh
[03:37] <kensai> who here is running gmail in evolution or thunderbird?
[03:37] <xskoulax> the following question is a little off topic but i'd imagine there are people here who could answer, anyone know of any good websites with guides teaching html+css?
[03:38] <ultrafunk> xskoulax: simplebits.com is a nice place to start looking
[03:38] <xskoulax> thx ultrafunk
[03:38] <kensai> xskoulax; www.htmlgoodies.com
[03:39] <xskoulax> thx kensai
[03:39] <xskoulax> now to fire up bluefish ;)
[03:39] <weswh-> janne - i am looking in synaptic for xvidtune - don't see it...is it in another collection of software?
[03:41] <JanneM> weswh-: you probably have it installed already
[03:41] <JanneM> weswh-: it is part of the X install
[03:42] <JanneM> weswh-: go to a terminal (or the app running thing), and run "xvidtune"
[03:42] <kensai> how does one configure libgmail once it is installed to work?
[03:47] <wes_> it got quiet in here..
[03:57] <dancen> has anyone installed Eterm? i'm trying and it keeps telling me to install LibAST, which i already did
[03:58] <LinuxJones> hi everyone, so quiet :)
[03:58] <dancen> hola
[03:58] <GotD0t> how do i open the nautilus cd burner folder?
[03:58] <kensai> burn///
[03:58] <kensai> thats the folder
[03:58] <kensai> at terminal you can wrtie nautilus-cd-burner
[03:58] <GotD0t> thanks
[03:59] <GotD0t> kensai: not if it already had files in it
[03:59] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  did you fix your cdr problems ?
[04:00] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nope
[04:01] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i can burn through nautilus... but ive always been able to do that. cdrecord still doesn't see my burner
[04:01] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  yikes did you post to the ubuntu mailing list, that night help :(
[04:02] <kensai> how can I take a screenshot of my sexy Ubuntu desktop?
[04:02] <GotD0t> computer > take screenshot
[04:02] <dancen> computer - take
[04:02] <dancen> nm
[04:03] <snarf> let me see it when your done ;p
[04:03] <dancen> :P
[04:03] <kensai> LOL sorry I didn't see it
[04:04] <thursday> hello all
[04:04] <GotD0t> hi
[04:05] <thursday> is it possible to make a boot script interactive? accept input from user ? and possibly only wait for 3 seconds before timing out?
[04:07] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: cdrdao tries to acces /dev/cdrecorder... i accidently linked that to the wrong device, how do i change the link
[04:08] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  (sudo -s) then >> rm /dev/cdrecorder
[04:10] <GotD0t> thanks
[04:10] <nathanieldelaney> how do i get tux racer?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> nathanieldelaney, apt-get install tuxracer
[04:13] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i think i might have gotten it
[04:13] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: success
[04:13] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, how ;)
[04:14] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: was linking to the wrong thing
[04:14] <GotD0t> uh oh... read buffer capacity failed...
[04:14] <GotD0t> is that baed?
[04:14] <GotD0t> bad*
[04:14] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, linking to the wrong device will not work no :P
[04:15] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: no, i meant the error telling me the read buffer capacity failed
[04:18] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, that is probably normal (if you have sent the wrong type of info to the wrong type of device)
[04:20] <Zubthemaster9> hello?
[04:21] <lifeless> hello
[04:21] <GotD0t> hi
[04:21] <Zubthemaster9> ahh, thought I typed the channel in wrong ^^
[04:21] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, I don't know , I am loaded drunk....atm  :)
[04:21] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: well i tested the CD and it works
[04:22] <Zubthemaster9> can someone tell me how to add an app to the menu?
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> sorry, I suck with gnome ^^
[04:23] <Burgundavia> Zubthemaster9: does it not do it automatically?
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> nope
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> should it?
[04:23] <Burgundavia> have you logged out and in since you installed it?
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> hmm
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> no, ^^
[04:23] <Zubthemaster9> should I?
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> worked :)
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> oh one other thing
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> erm
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> this may sound stupid
[04:25] <Zubthemaster9> but
[04:25] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, If the cdreader works in read mode it 's a problem with R/RW mode add a  link to bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> there are no stupid questions Zubthemaster9 :)
[04:26] <Zubthemaster9> I kinda closed the terminal before a program finihsed installing.. now I can't install over it or uninstall
[04:26] <Zubthemaster9> and I wanna see how UT works under linux, so I am i9n a bit of a pickle
[04:26] <Zubthemaster9> ehehe
[04:26] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: its not a bug... cdrdao was just trying to write to a non-existant drive
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> Zubthemaster9: if you go to /usr/local/games (iirc)
[04:26] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, so you fixed it ?
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> and rm -r ut2004 or similar
[04:26] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: yes
[04:27] <Zubthemaster9> went there, there is only one file
[04:27] <Zubthemaster9> named uninstall
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> so where the thing was supposedly almost installed
[04:28] <dieman> Kamion: i put it on the wiki
[04:28] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, so was it a user action  that caused the fault ?
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> there is only a shell script
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> called uninstall
[04:28] <Zubthemaster9> which I can't run for somer eason
[04:29] <blahrus> so is flash and java for firefox a now go in x86_64
[04:29] <nathanieldelaney> i tried apt-get install tuxracer and got "E: package tuxracer has no candidate"
[04:29] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i guess
[04:30] <kurtw> Hello gang
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[04:30] <Zubthemaster9> hi
[04:30] <blahrus> does anyone know?
[04:30] <blahrus> so is flash and java for firefox a now go in x86_64
[04:30] <wm_eddie> now go?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> nathanieldelaney: this means that it's referred to but doesn't exist. do you have the universe reposiutory enabled ?
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> blahrus: not sure, sorry
[04:31] <nathanieldelaney> i'm not sure, how can I look into that?
[04:31] <nathanieldelaney> in synaptic package mgr?
[04:31] <Cygnia> blahrus:I just installed java a few minutes ago, so yes on that one.
[04:32] <kurtw> Looking for a HOWTO configure subversion in Ubuntu.  Setup in SuSE was pretty easy but I am new to a 'non-rpm' distro.
[04:32] <blahrus> Cygnia: where did you get it for?
[04:32] <blahrus> from*
[04:32] <blahrus> Cygnia: sorry back
[04:32] <Cygnia> blahrus:follow the instructions at the ubuntu forums.
[04:33] <Cygnia> I'll see if I can find you a link. hold on...
[04:33] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  so tell the dev's how you made their program not work as it should. They will fix it with your help :)
[04:33] <blahrus> k
[04:33] <nathanieldelaney> how do I get the universe repository enabled?
[04:34] <sandlewood> Greetings. Has anyone here had any luck with a Belkin FD-6050 USB wireless on ubuntu?
[04:34] <Cygnia> blahrus:Try this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1537
[04:34] <kurtw> nathanieldelaney, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[04:35] <blahrus> Cygnia: thanks
[04:35] <toraton> Hey, I have a question for Ubuntu users...
[04:35] <blahrus> Cygnia: I don't think macromedia has made a 64 release of flash
[04:36] <GotD0t> thats retarded
[04:36] <Cygnia> blahrus:I know, that's the last hurdle for me as well. We'll see.
[04:36] <brettcar> blahrus: They haven't
[04:36] <toraton> I'm a Gentoo user and generally I stay away from Debian-based distros, but do you think Ubuntu would be good for me?
[04:36] <brettcar> toraton: Depends, what do you need/want/like in a distro?
[04:36] <blahrus> brettcar: whats their deal???
[04:37] <brettcar> blahrus: No $$$ in it right now
[04:37] <blahrus> yea
[04:37] <kurtw> toraton, I have been a devout RedHat/Fedora/SuSE user for the past few years.  So far I have enjoyed Ubuntu.  Although, it is different.
[04:37] <toraton> brettcar: Extreme customization and bleeding edge packages, actually.
[04:37] <blahrus> how long would it take for them to recompile?
[04:37] <brettcar> toraton: Not for you then
[04:37] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, why is tha retarded ?
[04:37] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: commenting on the lack of 64 flash
[04:37] <brettcar> toraton: Ubuntu will be far more recent then Debian is in stable, but it will not be "bleeding edge" like Gentoo
[04:37] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  eh ?
[04:38] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: nevermind
[04:38] <brettcar> toraton: Of course you could run the "unstable" version of Ubuntu, but its akin to the Debian unstable I suppose.
[04:38] <LinuxJones> GotD0t,  don't mind me :)
[04:38] <toraton> brettcar: Does Ubuntu use apt-get?
[04:38] <brettcar> toraton: Yes
[04:38] <brettcar> toraton: Not that you have to use it. You can use aptitude, synaptic, dselect, your pick ;) But yes, it uses apt and dpkg ;)
[04:39] <toraton> brettcar: Wonderful. I'm thinking Ubuntu might be good for my less technically inclined friends...
[04:39] <blahrus> toraton: yes
[04:39] <brettcar> toraton: Sure, desktop use is one of its goals
[04:39] <blahrus> toraton: don't make them use gentoo :)
[04:39] <sandlewood> anyone using Belkin USB wireless here
[04:39] <toraton> blahrus: Haha, yeah, wouldn't dream of it.
[04:40] <blahrus> toraton: been thinking about giving it a try again
[04:40] <blahrus> got a 64 bit system
[04:40] <blahrus> and I have a feeling they have the best support
[04:40] <Burgundavia> toraton: Ubuntu is the 1st linux distro that I will unhesitantingly but on non-techy friends computers
[04:40] <blahrus> cause you compile everything your self
[04:40] <lintfiend> i have a support question
[04:40] <lintfiend> can anyone help?
[04:40] <toraton> blahrus: Oh, you should. Man, I've been dying to put gentoo on a powerful machine, I've only got a 500mhz
[04:40] <brettcar> toraton: You are a masochist. ;)
[04:40] <kurtw> lintfiend: Fire away
[04:41] <blahrus> toraton: yea I been thinking about it
[04:41] <lintfiend> i just installed ubuntu on an old sony vaio laptop
[04:41] <lintfiend> but the display is messed up
[04:41] <lintfiend> so that the far left of the screen is on the right
[04:41] <toraton> Burgundavia: Wonderful. I think it will be great, then.
[04:41] <lintfiend> and then there is a huge black vertical column
[04:41] <lintfiend> that takes up a fourht of the screen
[04:42] <kurtw> lintfiend: do you know what video card you have?
[04:42] <lintfiend> i dont know how to fix the display
[04:42] <lintfiend> no
[04:42] <xskoulax> lintfiend: what model is the laptop?
[04:42] <kurtw> lintfiend: That will be the first step.
[04:42] <toraton> Well, thanks, you answered everything nicely. I'll give it a try.
[04:42] <lintfiend> i dontknow the exact model
[04:42] <lintfiend> as its inherited
[04:42] <lintfiend> its a sony vaoir
[04:42] <lintfiend> vaio
[04:42] <brettcar> toraton: And thank you for not being a Gentoo troll ;)
[04:42] <lintfiend> or whatevr
[04:43] <kurtw> lintfiend: Anything on the bottom of the computer to indicate the model?
[04:43] <toraton> brettcar: Anytime, don't want to give gentoo a bad name ;)
[04:43] <brettcar> hehe
[04:43] <lintfiend> model pcg- 6132
[04:43] <xskoulax> lintfiend: model should be in the following format pcg-xxxxx
[04:44] <lintfiend> ya, sorry it was in thedocking statio
[04:44] <LinuxJones> good nght everyone , have a good one !!
[04:44] <lintfiend> so basically if i move my mouse the left of the screen, eventually it appears on the right
[04:44] <xskoulax> night LinuxJones
[04:44] <GotD0t> night
[04:44] <kapputu> hello everyone
[04:44] <lintfiend> basically the entire screen is moved to the left
[04:45] <kapputu> hi GotDot what's up
[04:45] <xskoulax> Intel 815EM
[04:45] <lintfiend> ah thanks
[04:45] <GotD0t> hi kapputu, not much really...
[04:45] <xskoulax> up to 11mb sdram shared memory
[04:46] <xskoulax> kurtw: did you see that? ^^
[04:46] <kapputu> i'm trying to get sound card support for 440 BX
[04:46] <kapputu> I convinced my roommate to install linux
[04:46] <kapputu> he is an electrical engineer
[04:46] <GotD0t> good job
[04:46] <GotD0t> haha
[04:46] <lintfiend> so now that i know the card, what can i do?
[04:47] <kapputu> but i can't install his sound card
[04:47] <kapputu> and he is kinda pissed off
[04:47] <kapputu> he listens to a lot of music
[04:47] <brettcar> kapputu: He could wire himself up a new one quick like ;)
[04:47] <tmartin> hi everyone
[04:47] <xskoulax> lintfiend: good question, i really havn't a clue on the problem but i have a vaio with another videocard thats why i got involved when you didn't know the card incase it was the same model
[04:47] <kapputu> lol
[04:47] <lintfiend> awesome
[04:48] <lintfiend> well, do you maybe know where i could get some help
[04:48] <kapputu> as for me I have no problems
[04:48] <kapputu> ubuntu works great on my laptop
[04:48] <kapputu> and i have fallen in love with it
[04:48] <kapputu> :-)
[04:48] <tmartin> im new to running linux on my desktop, and id like to use it for developing c/c++ programs for school, but i dont know how to install the c/c++ package. Would someone be kind an help me? thx
[04:49] <kapputu> sudo apt-get install g++
[04:49] <kurtw> apt-get install gcc
[04:49] <kapputu> sudo apt-get install gcc
[04:49] <kurtw> ahh yes, sudo
[04:49] <xskoulax> lintfiend: this channel should provide help might have to ask again but atleast you have the model of the video card now the laptops a r505tl by the way
[04:50] <xskoulax> lintfiend: www.linuxquestions.org is a good forum you could try searching there, there is also www.ubuntuforums.com
[04:50] <tmartin> the ubuntu site says the follwoing  "If you want to develop in C or C++, install the build-essential package."  is suda apt-get the same?
[04:50] <JanneM> tmartin: easiest is to start synaptic
[04:50] <JanneM> then fsearch for "build-essential"
[04:50] <JanneM> then search for "build-essential"
[04:50] <JanneM> and mark it for installation
[04:50] <xskoulax> i haven't used the ubuntuforums yet so i don't know how good they are, but if this channel is anything to go by it should be good
[04:51] <JanneM> it is a meta-package that will pull in most of the stuff you will need
[04:51] <kurtw> yea,  I just tested.  sudo apt-get install build-essential grabs your most common tools.
[04:51] <lintfiend> would anyone know why the screen on my laptop is shifted to the left
[04:51] <lintfiend> and how to fix it
[04:51] <tmartin> how to i start synaptic, sorry im still learning and i've a ways to go
[04:52] <xskoulax> lintfiend: poke around google and those forums and see if anyone here has an idea
[04:52] <JanneM> it's in the Computer menu
[04:52] <xskoulax> good luck
[04:52] <Burgundavia> tmartin: computer --> system config
[04:52] <kapputu> sudo synaptic
[04:52] <tmartin> ooo got it!
[04:53] <kapputu> I like to use the keyboard to move around the desktop
[04:54] <eggshin> howdy all--quick question--do vesa drivers support above 1024x768?
[04:55] <kapputu> hi Hikaru
[04:55] <kapputu> what's up buddy
[04:56] <Hikaru79> =)
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Nothing much
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Thoroughly enjoying ubuntu ^__^
[04:56] <Hikaru79> Glad I made the switch :D
[04:56] <kapputu> how's your ubuntu
[04:56] <kapputu> yep me too
[04:56] <Hikaru79> :)
[04:56] <GotD0t> me too
[04:56] <Hikaru79> How long have you been an ubuntu user?
[04:56] <kapputu> hmm since 4 days..
[04:57] <kapputu> switched from FC
[04:57] <eggshin> picked it up this week myself--only linux install that went flawlessly out of 6 different distro's..
[04:57] <kapputu> and already it's my fav OS
[04:57] <Hikaru79> Almost 24 hours here :P
[04:57] <Hikaru79> Hehe
[04:57] <Hikaru79> w00t for Ubuntu :)
[04:57] <tmartin> how do i install video drivers? i downloaded an rpm for my ati 9800, but what now?
[04:57] <Hikaru79> I have a feelign it'll do great ^ ^
[04:57] <kapputu> yep even FC 2 coudlnt configure my laptop touch pad properly
[04:57] <Hikaru79> tmartin, if it's an rpm you need 'alien' I believe
[04:58] <Hikaru79> alien is an app that runs rpm in distro's other than redhat
[04:58] <tmartin> i tried sudo alien -di <rpm-name>
[04:58] <eggshin> that sounds familiar...alien that is..
[04:58] <tmartin> but it failed
[04:58] <Burgundavia> tmartin: try the ati drivers already in the repository
[04:58] <kapputu> how good is alien ?
[04:58] <kapputu> in the sense does it run all rpms ?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> tmartin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:58] <Burgundavia> tmartin: there is already a driver in the universe repository
[04:59] <Burgundavia> tmartin: I have a 9600 and it configured fine
[04:59] <xskoulax> tmartin:  that link is for media formats i beleive
[04:59] <Hikaru79> Has anyone here managed to get the Java SDK working in Ubuntu? Able to compile Java source codes and all? I'm having some real problems with this :(
[04:59] <Hikaru79> I follow the instructions to the letter
[04:59] <kapputu> hmm haven't tried
[04:59] <tmartin>  wheres the universe repository?
[04:59] <kapputu> might do it soon
[04:59] <Hikaru79> And then it still doesn't recognise java being installed
[05:00] <Hikaru79> :) kapputu if it works for you could you walk me through it too?
[05:00] <xskoulax> tmartin: this is the page you need http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:00] <tmartin> thx for the links :)
[05:00] <kapputu> yep
[05:00] <mctavish> Hikaru79: I installed java sdk this morning
[05:01] <mctavish> it seemed to work ok, but I only used it for the java library file for firefox
[05:01] <mctavish> i used the bin file from black something ... blackburn? worked fine
[05:02] <Hikaru79> blackburn..?
[05:02] <mctavish> Hikaru79: its on the wiki page. I'll have a quick look
[05:03] <Hikaru79> Thanks, mctavish =D
[05:03] <mctavish> blackdown. Here: http://www.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/
[05:04] <tmartin>  Burgundavia: my card configured fine but i cant get the resolution or refresh rate i like
[05:04] <Hikaru79> Sweet :)
[05:04] <Hikaru79> And this is exactly the same as Sun's version of the sdk?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> tmartin: let me guess computer --> screen resolution fails right?
[05:05] <kapputu> what was the problem u had hikaru ?
[05:05] <Hikaru79> kapputu, I don't know... I'd install it as per instructions
[05:05] <mctavish> AFAIK. don't know if they are fully up to date...
[05:05] <Hikaru79> But when I tried to compile a java program it said "java: program not found" or something to that effect
[05:05] <tmartin> the res i like 1152x864 doesnt even appear under the video options in gnome
[05:05] <kapputu> hmm nothing to do with path settings ?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> tmartin: I can't even get screen resolution app to load
[05:06] <tmartin> first line of installing the gfx driver is "sudoapt-getinstalllinux-686" but i installed the amd64 distro so i tried "sudoapt-getinstalllinux-amd64" and got an error about the administration directory being locked.  whats that mean?
[05:06] <Hikaru79> Hmm, there's two directories inside of of /pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/i386 ; one called 'fcs' and one called 'rcl' ... what do these mean? ^ ^;;
[05:06] <kapputu> why not try going to the java bin dir and type java
[05:06] <Zindar> type ./java if you go to the java bin dir
[05:06] <tmartin> or really Burgundavia?
[05:06] <tmartin> but what about ur refresh rate
[05:06] <Hikaru79> o_o Was that all I needed to do?
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: some sort of known bug with the ati driver
[05:07] <mctavish> Hikaru79: yeah puzzled me for a while. Googled it and fcs is final candidate, rc is release candidate. I went fcs
[05:07] <tmartin> mines stuck at 60hz and my ears are hurting
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: 80hz
[05:07] <Hikaru79> Aah, I see :)
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: yes, my eyes hurt at 60
[05:07] <tmartin> errr eyes*
[05:07] <Hikaru79> mctavish, so the bins are exactly the same content as the ones on sun.java.com right?
[05:07] <kapputu> hi elmaya
[05:07] <elmaya> hi
[05:07] <Burgundavia> tmartin: The worst part about 60 is that you can't really *see* the flick except where you are not focusing
[05:07] <kapputu> what's up
[05:08] <GotD0t> tmartin: mine is stuck at 60 and not only are my eyes hurting... i hear the buzzing
[05:08] <tmartin> exactly!
[05:08] <tmartin> oh man at least mine doesnt buzz
[05:08] <GotD0t> tmartin: so i get an even worse headache... from my eyes then from the almost constant buzzing
[05:08] <mctavish> Hikaru79: I don't know for sure. If you are nervous, do some research.
[05:09] <Hikaru79> Heh ^ ^ OK, will do
[05:09] <Hikaru79> :)
[05:09] <kapputu> ok i think i'll catch up with some sleep
[05:09] <kapputu> *yawn*
[05:09] <kapputu> happy ubunting folks
[05:10] <mctavish> Hakaru79: it was linked from the wiki, for what thats worth.
[05:10] <Hikaru79> That's a good sign :o
[05:12] <GotD0t> oh cool... i get to miss class tomorrow
[05:12] <Hikaru79> GotD0t, what for? :)
[05:13] <GotD0t> Hikaru79: Edwards is coming to my school... my prof is letting us skip class if we go to the rally or w/e it is
[05:13] <Hikaru79> =O Wow!
[05:13] <GotD0t> Aye
[05:13] <Hikaru79> Are you actually gonna go, or just...? ;)
[05:13] <GotD0t> Hikaru79: im debating
[05:18] <alka_trash> Wow that was quick for Hoary
[05:19] <GotD0t> ?
[05:19] <alka_trash> just thought that it would take longer
[05:19] <GotD0t> alka_trash: Ubuntu is on a 6 month dev cycle... you think they would wait a while after the warty release to get started on hoary?
[05:20] <tmartin> linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-1 is supposed to have the ati driver but im looking in synaptic and theres no restricted package that has an ati-kernel.  Have any of you been able to install the driver?
[05:20] <oddabe19> wait... hoary is up?
[05:20] <alka_trash> :/
[05:20] <alka_trash> is it
[05:20] <GotD0t> look at the topic
[05:20] <alka_trash> anything new
[05:21] <Sensebend> tmartin, yes
[05:21] <oddabe19> oh... haha
[05:21] <alka_trash> new packages?
[05:21] <Sensebend> I just downloaded the rpm
[05:21] <Sensebend> converted with alient
[05:21] <tmartin> im runnign on an amd64 and none of those packages have anything with ati in them
[05:21] <tmartin> what command did you use
[05:21] <Sensebend> edited my Xfree configuration by hand
[05:21] <tmartin> im getting errors with alien
[05:21] <Sensebend> and it worked
[05:21] <tmartin> how do you do that? im still learnin'
[05:21] <jdub> tmartin: see BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[05:21] <Sensebend> sudo alien -d atidriver.rpm
[05:22] <Sensebend> whatever the name of it is
[05:22] <jdub> ooof, don't do that
[05:22] <Sensebend> it worked fine for me jdub
[05:22] <jdub> alka_trash: hoary is synced with sid
[05:22] <tmartin> jdub: thers no version in my restricted linux modules for ati driver
[05:22] <jdub> Sensebend: might work fine, but it's totally unsupported
[05:22] <alka_trash> oh
[05:22] <tmartin> are you running on an amd64 jdub?
[05:22] <Sensebend> I support myself :)
[05:22] <jdub> Sensebend: when ubuntu already ships the driver
[05:22] <jdub> tmartin: no
[05:23] <alka_trash> has anyone tried hoary yet?
[05:23] <jdub> alka_trash: don't bother yet
[05:23] <alka_trash> okay
[05:23] <jdub> alka_trash: when it's useable, it'll be announced
[05:23] <Sensebend> ok tmartin, ignore what I am saying
[05:23] <GotD0t> well the chat topic kinda says "hoary is being merged but is NOT ready for use yet"
[05:23] <alka_trash> jdub: okay
[05:23] <Sensebend> and listen to the people who will tell you the proper way to do things
[05:23] <Sensebend> ^_^
[05:23] <alka_trash> jdub: It's nice to hear about updates
[05:24] <tmartin> hey sensebend im getting this error with alien:  warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libX11 (soname 6, path /usr/X11R6/lib32/libX11.so.6, dependency field Depends)dpkg-shlibdeps:
[05:24] <alka_trash> last night I found this website http://www.icalshare.com/
[05:24] <alka_trash> it's pretty cool for adding calendar stuff to evolution
[05:24] <tmartin> sorry for all that error crap but alien inst working
[05:25] <GotD0t> haha
[05:25] <GotD0t> thats cool
[05:26] <alka_trash> I wish I could find a more linux directed website, but for now icalshare is great
[05:27] <tux_> i wish someone hadn't stolen my nickname here
[05:27] <tux_> nomasteryoda
[05:27] <alka_trash> ouchie
[05:27] <tux_> oh well
[05:27] <tux_> at least when i google only my stuff comes up
[05:28] <tux_> boy what a ton of users here
[05:28] <tmartin> sensebend: how do you edit refresh rate info in the XF86Config-4 file
[05:28] <tmartin> my refreshrates are listed as a range...
[05:28] <Sensebend> tmartin, did you get it to work
[05:29] <alka_trash> here's mine
[05:29] <tmartin> well my XF86Config file which was generated by the install has the correct identificaton for my card
[05:29] <alka_trash> Section "Monitor"
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	HorizSync	30-95
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	VertRefresh	50-95
[05:29] <alka_trash> 	Option		"DPMS"
[05:29] <tmartin> so im thinking i can just modify the config
[05:29] <alka_trash> sorry, I got  a little excited
[05:29] <GotD0t> tmartin: yea... just be sure not to use a refresh rate too high for your monitors res
[05:30] <tux_> tmartin, look up model on google
[05:30] <tux_> i found mine that way
[05:30] <alka_trash> yep, me too
[05:30] <nmy> and mine was very obscure
[05:30] <nmy> this one is a dell 991... it automatically (when i ran the xconfigure scritpt) fixed it
[05:31] <Sensebend> be careful with this, if you don't want a paperweight ;
[05:31] <nmy> yup
[05:31] <nmy> will burn it up
[05:31] <Sensebend> I just got my stuff from Dell Support website
[05:31] <Sensebend> I have a Dell P780
[05:31] <nmy> that works
[05:31] <nmy> sometimes
[05:31] <Sensebend> the numbers are listed
[05:31] <Sensebend> they worked fine
[05:31] <GotD0t> is it possible to get user input from a sh script?
[05:32] <nmy> er, yea
[05:32] <thoreauputic_> GotD0t: use "read"
[05:32] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:32] <nmy> anyway, got to go
[05:32] <nmy> first time on this irc channel
[05:32] <nmy> and in my new ubuntu box
[05:33] <nmy> very slick distro
[05:33] <nmy> congrats to the team who made it possible...and to Shuttleworth
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> and to me
[05:33] <nmy> and you
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> because I am taking a late lunch so I can get this crap done
[05:34] <nmy> well, i now have another excellent distro to push to our LUG
[05:35] <seth_> can anyone help me set j2re ?
[05:35] <GotD0t> Late lunch? where are you
[05:35] <nmy> lol
[05:35] <nmy> or is that 101
[05:36] <nmy> |337 is not for me
[05:36] <nmy> cramps my brain
[05:36] <GotD0t> heh
[05:36] <nmy> lol
[05:36] <nmy> ran seth off?
[05:36] <tmartin> nmy: i found the info and updated
[05:37] <nmy> cool
[05:37] <tmartin> mind telling me how i restart X Windows...
[05:37] <nmy> Ctrl+Alt+bakcspace
[05:37] <nmy> hey, he got it
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> ahah
[05:37] <Burgundavia> I can't seem to find flgrx drivers anymore
[05:37] <nmy> lol
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:38] <Burgundavia> HrdwrBoB: no, I mean I cannot find it any repository I have
[05:38] <GotD0t> is there a command to make a text file?
[05:38] <nmy> like vi
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: it should be in the restricted repository
[05:38] <nmy> vi and file name
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: gedit
[05:39] <GotD0t> well i want just to be able to make the file w/o opening the editor
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> applications->Accessories->text editor
[05:39] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: to create a file you can use "touch"
[05:39] <Burgundavia> touch filename
[05:39] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:40] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: echo String of stuff >> file
[05:40] <jdub> or right click, Create Document > Empty File in nautilus
[05:41] <nmy> or use stuff | filename
[05:41] <tmartin> nmy: yay! its at 85Hz
[05:41] <nmy> tmartin, hey guess that worked
[05:41] <GotD0t> i only need one way to do it ;-)
[05:41] <nmy> sweet
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> nmy: that won't work you need >
[05:41] <nmy> HrdwrBoB, yea
[05:41] <nmy> sr
[05:42] <tmartin> my eyes are now mollified
[05:42] <nmy> late here
[05:42] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: this is linux - there are always many ways ;)
[05:42] <nmy> in US
[05:42] <GotD0t> its not THAT late
[05:42] <nmy> no
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> it's lunchtime here
[05:42] <nmy> but 3 months with only 4-5 hrs /nite
[05:42] <GotD0t> nmy: on the eastern seaboard its only 11:40 ish
[05:42] <tmartin> its 9pm man time to start getting to work
[05:42] <nmy> late
[05:42] <nmy> GotD0t, in GA I am
[05:42] <vertical_98> Does anyone here know anything about Gnome Mud client?
[05:43] <GotD0t> nmy: i havent gotten more than 2 hours of sleep each night for the past two weeks... and im stil lgoing
[05:43] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: the eastern seaboard of th eonly country on earth?
[05:43] <nmy> LOL
[05:43] <nmy> pangaea
[05:43] <GotD0t> i thought it was obvious iw as tlaking about the US... considerng nmy said it
[05:43] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: i'm on the  eastern seabord of .au and it's 1:43 PM
[05:43] <nmy> GotD0t, lol
[05:44] <GotD0t> nmy said US, and i said its not that late
[05:44] <nmy> thoreauputic, yea... tomorrow
[05:44] <nmy> i'm in Middle Georgia, US
[05:44] <thoreauputic> nmy: way ahead of you guys - as always ;)
[05:44] <nmy> http://mgalug.org
[05:44] <nmy> yea...lol
[05:44] <GotD0t> heh
[05:44] <thoreauputic> you'll never catch up...
[05:45] <nmy> thoreauputic, do you ever chat with a guy from NewZealand - NZHeritic
[05:45] <thoreauputic> nmy: no but I've seen/heard of him
[05:45] <nmy> he's a regular on The Linux Show IRC
[05:46] <thoreauputic> he posts all over the place :)
[05:46] <nmy> yea
[05:46] <tmartin> how can i access my other hdds on my computer that are used for Windows?
[05:46] <tmartin> id like access to my media :)
[05:46] <nmy> he's supposed to be doing an Aussie TheLinuxShow
[05:46] <GotD0t> yea.. that seems quite common
[05:46] <nmy> tmartin, are the NTFS?
[05:47] <GotD0t> (i would hope so)
[05:48] <GotD0t> tmartin: you there?
[05:51] <tmartin> yea
[05:51] <tmartin> they are ntfs
[05:51] <tmartin> sorry had to get some munchies
[05:52] <GotD0t> k
[05:52] <Sensebend> tmartin, it is safest to mount NTFS systems as read only
[05:52] <GotD0t> yea
[05:53] <tmartin> ok thats cool
[05:54] <tmartin> how do i get linux to recognize those partitions
[05:54] <GotD0t> how many are there?
[05:55] <Sensebend> tmartin what is in your /etc/fstab
[05:55] <tmartin> i have 2 partitions on 2 disks
[05:56] <tmartin> one sec lemme check
[05:56] <Sensebend> it may be already there
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:56] <Sensebend> probably is
[05:56] <GotD0t> why do you say that?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> cause ubuntu is good
[05:56] <tmartin> its not htere
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:56] <GotD0t> not that good...
[05:56] <tmartin> just / swap and cdroms
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:56] <GotD0t> mine werent there
[05:57] <Sensebend> I don't have any windows partitions so I wouldn't know
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> i use no NTFS here at home
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> do at work though
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> let me find my fstab from work
[05:57] <GotD0t> well he needs to find out the location of his partitions
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> that should be relatively easy
[05:58] <thoreauputic> tmartin: type  sudo fdisk -l in a terminal
[05:59] <GotD0t> and then make a directory for each of your partitions in /mnt/
[05:59] <thoreauputic> tmartin: that will give you a list of your partitions
[06:00] <Cube-ness> anybody know why root can see scanner in xsane, but regular user cannot?
[06:01] <GotD0t> then in fstab put /dev/hd<partition loc>	/mnt/<mount folder>	ntfs	ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user	0	0
[06:01] <GotD0t> and that should do it
[06:02] <tmartin> do i do this even for the linux / and swap partitions?
[06:02] <GotD0t> no
[06:02] <tmartin> k
[06:02] <GotD0t> just the ones labeled NTFS under system
[06:06] <tmartin> gotdot: should that be user=0 above
[06:06] <GotD0t> nope
[06:06] <tmartin> k
[06:06] <tmartin> whats umask do
[06:06] <GotD0t> gives you permission to access it
[06:08] <tmartin> ok
[06:08] <truthcho> anyone knows what's the minimum requirement for Ubuntu 4.1?
[06:08] <tmartin> ok edited the fstab how do mount them right now
[06:08] <truthcho> to run GNOME
[06:08] <tmartin> same cmd just on the cmdline?
[06:08] <GotD0t> tmartin: afaik it should mount after saving
[06:09] <tmartin> o cool they did in fact
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ain't linux grand
[06:09] <tmartin> but it says unable to mount the selected volume
[06:09] <GotD0t> tmartin: now... a piece of advice back that file up
[06:09] <GotD0t> which
[06:09] <tmartin> all my ntfs entries new partitons
[06:10] <GotD0t> wait. what?
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: ...yea backup the /etc/fstab file
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> and the Xconfig too ...
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> XF86Config
[06:11] <GotD0t> XF86Config-4
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:11] <tmartin> well i opened up a window of mnt in gnome and it says it cant mount them when i clikco on it
[06:11] <GotD0t> but what happened tmartin?
[06:11] <GotD0t> you didnt mount em both to mnt did you?
[06:11] <BlueStorm> Hey, is this the place to ask questions?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:11] <tmartin> no
[06:11] <BlueStorm> Even if they may be dumb.
[06:11] <tmartin> i mounte each partition to a sepearte directory in mnt
[06:11] <GotD0t> ok
[06:12] <tmartin> like hde1, hda1, hdb1
[06:12] <GotD0t> ok
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> greetings or aloha...
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> nite here
[06:12] <GotD0t> so when you saved fstab what happened?
[06:12] <GotD0t> bluestorm what y aneed
[06:13] <BlueStorm> Well I can't seem to change my resaloution beyong 1024 x 768
[06:13] <tmartin> nothing was wrong when i saved
[06:13] <tmartin> but then i went under Computer->Disks to try and access them
[06:14] <GotD0t> show me both entries in fstab
[06:14] <GotD0t> or all of them
[06:14] <GotD0t> bluestorm how are you trying?
[06:14] <BlueStorm> I crave 1280 x 1024.
[06:14] <GotD0t> haha, don't we all
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> 1600x1280
[06:15] <BlueStorm> I just went to computer, system config, resolution.
[06:15] <cef_work> mdz: just did soemthing silly with a mailing list and found a bug. went to subscribe to a list, got the email, clicked on the link and then accidently clicked on the 'Cancel my subscription" button instead of the subscribe one, and I got an error!
[06:15] <GotD0t> woah
[06:15] <tmartin> "/dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0"
[06:15] <tmartin> "/dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0"
[06:15] <tmartin> "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user0 0
[06:15] <GotD0t> no, there has to be a space between user and the 0
[06:16] <tmartin> oh
[06:16] <cef_work> mdz: 'twas the security-announce list, but it's probably mailman, not the list.
[06:16] <tmartin> k
[06:16] <tmartin> thats why i asked about hte = before :-p
[06:16] <GotD0t> gotcha
[06:16] <GotD0t> and once you get it working BACK IT UP
[06:17] <GotD0t> I made that mistake twice...
[06:17] <BlueStorm> But Im very much a Linux newbie.
[06:17] <GotD0t> Bluestorm: one sec
[06:17] <tmartin> gotdot: mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb1
[06:18] <tmartin> thats the only error now
[06:18] <GotD0t> only one?
[06:18] <tmartin> yea
[06:18] <tmartin> the file seems to parse fine now
[06:18] <GotD0t> other ones mount fine?
[06:18] <tmartin> no i mean that error occurs for all
[06:18] <GotD0t> oh
[06:18] <GotD0t> hmm
[06:18] <GotD0t> and that happens when?
[06:18] <tmartin> maybe a different umask?
[06:19] <tmartin> when i click on to browse the contents of the disk thru computer->disks in teh gnome menu
[06:19] <GotD0t> hmm
[06:19] <rya1> I have a question.....
[06:19] <GotD0t> ok, try sudo mount /mnt/hdb1
[06:20] <taviguy> if I edit my interfaces file while running the system, how can I apply the changes without restarting the box?
[06:20] <tmartin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[06:20] <tmartin>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:20] <cef_work> rya1: ask away
[06:20] <rya1> I installed ubuntu and worked great for one day. Now when I boot I get all these input/output errors when loading drivers at boot/ Usually says 'cant read module'
[06:20] <BlueStorm> I periodically hear sound effects for foreseeable reason?
[06:21] <rya1> but gnome will boot. but no network
[06:21] <GotD0t> Bluestorm: open up /etc/X11?Xf86Config-4 and copy the ones listed under Monitor and Screen in a private message to me
[06:21] <GotD0t> err
[06:21] <cef_work> tmartin: sounds like the ntfs module isn't loaded. are you mounting as root, using pmount, or mounting as a user?
[06:21] <GotD0t> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:21] <thoreauputic> taviguy: try sudo  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:22] <rya1> any ideas?
[06:22] <taviguy> also, is thre a way to set up a wireless card in the interfaces file to associate with multiple essids and not just one?
[06:22] <taviguy> as in add in maybe two essids that are possible and their WEP keys
[06:23] <tmartin> cef_work: im mounting as a user
[06:23] <tmartin> i tired sudo mount but i get an error on that
[06:23] <GotD0t> whats the error?
[06:23] <tmartin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[06:23] <tmartin>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:24] <cef_work> tmartin: do 'sudo modprobe ntfs' and try again
[06:24] <dob> hi
[06:25] <dob> i don't find in the ubuntu site the list of all available package, can someone give me a link?
[06:25] <tmartin> cef_work: same error after modprobe
[06:26] <cef_work> tmartin: ok.. well that rules out it not having the ntfs module loaded
[06:26] <tmartin> im trying "mount /etc/hdb1"
[06:26] <GotD0t> tmartin: read me the fstab line again
[06:26] <tmartin> with the corresponding line in the fstab
[06:26] <thoreauputic> dob: if you open synaptic, you can browse all available packages
[06:26] <cef_work> tmartin: you have a directory called /mnt/hdb1 ?
[06:27] <thoreauputic> dob: assuming your sources are set up properly, of course
[06:27] <tmartin> "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user=0        0"
[06:27] <GotD0t> no martin
[06:27] <kurtw> Make sure the NTFS module loaded 'lsmod | grep ntfs'
[06:27] <GotD0t> err
[06:27] <dob> thoreauputic: i don't have ubuntu installed, i want only to see the list of package
[06:27] <GotD0t> dude, it should be "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user   0      0"
[06:28] <tmartin> yea its loaded
[06:28] <cef_work> tmartin: and 'ls -l /mnt/hdb1' ?
[06:28] <GotD0t> make those changes tmartin
[06:28] <GotD0t> and try it
[06:28] <jdub> dob: see archive.ubuntu.com
[06:28] <kurtw> tmartin: GotD0t has it right.
[06:28] <tmartin> of fack i usd = instead of space
[06:28] <tmartin> subliminal mistake
[06:29] <GotD0t> heh
[06:29] <thoreauputic> dob: well, you can find such a list on debian.org, but it will be huge and not exactly the equivalent of ubuntu
[06:29] <thoreauputic> dob: debian has over 12,000 packages
[06:29] <tmartin> OH SWEET
[06:29] <tmartin> thx guys
[06:29] <jdub> dob: the packages file for main is what you want
[06:29] <tmartin> sorry for the dilatory mistakes
[06:29] <taviguy> is thre a way to set up a wireless card in the interfaces file to associate with multiple essids and not just one?
[06:30] <GotD0t> see, tmartin if you would carefully read the directions your stuff would be set up a lot quicker
[06:30] <PuddPunk> when does the next ubuntu calander come out?
[06:30] <dob> thoreauputic: yes i know i use debian , just to see the version of some package
[06:30] <cef_work> taviguy: by default? depends on the card usually, but if it can you either leave the ESSID blank, or set it to ANY
[06:31] <GotD0t> PuddPunk nov
[06:31] <cef_work> taviguy: same options as with iwconfig
[06:31] <thoreauputic> dob: OK - sorry I didn't mean to be presumptuous :)
[06:31] <smo> Has anyone got cloop to build from cloop-src? It appears to be choking looking for a modversions.h that doesn't exist
[06:31] <taviguy> but
[06:31] <PuddPunk> beginning of november? end of november? middle of november?
[06:31] <taviguy> im saying 2 netowrks with WEP
[06:31] <jdub> taviguy: not atm
[06:32] <jdub> PuddPunk: beginning of november
[06:32] <dob> thoreauputic: no problem :)
[06:32] <taviguy> so you would have to specify the essid and key
[06:32] <PuddPunk> cool :)
[06:32] <cef_work> taviguy: ahh you want to switch between networks
[06:32] <PuddPunk> taviguy, i've been wrestling with the network profiles (the gui beastie) that comes with ubuntu
[06:32] <kurtw> taviguy: I tried looking at wifiradar and could not get it to work.  If there is a solution, I would be grateful.
[06:32] <cef_work> taviguy: you could possibly do it using the 'mapping' stuff.. there isn't a huge amount of docs on it, and it's not easy to set working, but it CAN be done
[06:32] <PuddPunk> i find it works best if you delete your stuff from the interfaces file, then start fresh with the profiles in the GUI configuration
[06:32] <PuddPunk> i have one for home, work and school
[06:33] <cef_work> taviguy: and you could possibly call other tools that will listen for networks and depending on which it can see, connect to it
[06:34] <tmartin> does ubuntu natively support the playing of mp3s?
[06:34] <jdub> not with the default install, no
[06:34] <tmartin> any packages that have players ?
[06:34] <jdub> rhythmbox will play mp3s if you install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[06:34] <jdub> see RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[06:34] <GOwin> hi everone. is /etc/rc.d the same as ubuntu's /etc/rc0.d? i'm trying to configure NAT. the guide i am using for configuring NAT is telling me to look for /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: the guide is ooooold
[06:35] <GotD0t> tmartin: if you are used to winamp in windows you can install xmms
[06:35] <GotD0t> tmartin: which has the same gui
[06:36] <PuddPunk> is it possible to get gstreamer support for mp3?
[06:36] <rya1> Sorry to inturrupt, but does anyone know why when I boot now I get "input/output error" cant read module and then somthing in the "/lib/modules/kernel/" directory.. It goes by too fast and I cant find the log file that has the exact output. Its usually .ko  files it cant read.   I still can boot, but some things dont work (like netwok). Strange thing is that is was working fine for 1 day after install, and nothing changed...
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: I think it should work if you create /etc/rc.local
[06:36] <GOwin> HrdwrBoB, if it's old. what should i use?
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: /etc/rc.d is a relic from redhat 6
[06:36] <GOwin> hmm ..
[06:36] <dob> the security update for the packages in ubuntu are related to the update of the packages on sarge or sid ? or there like in woody a source list for security update?
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> the security updates are only on main
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> the ubuntu packages
[06:38] <rya1> GOwin, I have been using firestarter for may NAT as it is pretty easy to setup. It is in the universe set of packages.
[06:38] <PuddPunk> is there a way i can unintall emacs without rooting my install? when i try and uninstall emacs it tries to uninstall ubuntu-desktop which i assume is a bad thing
[06:38] <GOwin> i'll look at firestarter then. :)
[06:38] <thoreauputic> GOwin: firestarter is a good option
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> PuddPunk: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which includes emacs
[06:38] <spikeb> PuddPunk,  actually, it's okay - as long as it's ONLY trying to uninstall that package
[06:38] <cef_work> anyone know of a good package for admin control of a samba pdc that's in ubuntu (universe is fine)
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> PuddPunk: thus, when you remove emacs, it removes ubuntu-dektop
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> desktop
[06:42] <GOwin> so firestarter is NAT and firewall?
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> GOwin: correct
[06:42] <rya1> yes
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> cef.. nfi, luckily we don't have that sort of thing here
[06:42] <thoreauputic> GOwin: yes - and has a very simple setup wizard
[06:42] <BlueStorm> How do you PM in Xchat?
[06:42] <GOwin> thanks for the info guys.
[06:42] <PuddPunk> HrdwrBoB, I figured that much, i just thought it might stuff up my upgrade capabilities
[06:42] <dob> HrdwrBoB: ok
[06:42] <PuddPunk> BlueStorm, double click on a nick either in the nick list or the main window
[06:42] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: I was looking at LAM, but unfortunately it's not in ubuntu or debian it seems.. (and no, there is lam3, which is something entirely different)
[06:42] <GOwin> while at it, how about giving me a headstart on how to configure a box for ppp dial-in
[06:42] <Burgundavia> PuddPunk: You can remove ubuntu-desktop without any problems
[06:42] <rya1> GOwin, sorry never done it
[06:42] <PuddPunk> woohoo :)
[06:42] <BlueStorm> Hmmmm, Im clicking to my heart's content and nothing is happening.
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: irritatin
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> g
[06:42] <spikeb> as long as your heart is content, then it matters not :)
[06:42] <Burgundavia> BlueStorm: right click on a nick
[06:43] <tmartin> what package of rythmbox supports mp3s?
[06:43] <tmartin> rythmbox is in the default install but .mp3s still arent recognized
[06:43] <Burgundavia> tmartin: I think you need gstreamer-mad
[06:43] <Burgundavia> tmartin: not rhythmbox itself
[06:44] <jdub> tmartin: are told you how to fix it above
[06:44] <tmartin> i see no gstreamer-mad in synaptic
[06:44] <jdub> tmartin: and pointed to docs
[06:44] <jdub> again, gstreamer0.8-mad (in universe)
[06:49] <tmartin> whoops
[06:49] <tmartin> sorry yea
[06:49] <tmartin> im looking at teh page now
[06:49] <rya1> anyone know where boot warning messages are logged? I cant see them in /var/log/messages
[06:49] <Treenaks> rya1:are they logged at all?
[06:49] <spikeb> possibly dmesg
[06:49] <rya1> not sure. Its not in dmesg either. Its these input/output errors when loading .ko modules
[06:49] <tmartin> yea i forgot to hit reload
[06:49] <tmartin> in synaptic
[06:49] <GOwin> anyone using xfce for their desktop?
[06:51] <psyklops> I just set up printing, in linux, and had less trouble than with windows. JOY!
[06:51] <GotD0t> hahaha
[06:51] <HrdwrBoB> psyklops: excellent :D
[06:51] <geppy> heh  :)
[06:51] <psyklops> I spent all day at my uncles house setting up his new printer for him, it failed to install a few times for no reason. He gave me his old printer, and you know how that went :)
[06:51] <tmartin> mp3s only play in totem?
[06:52] <ficusplanet> Will J5's hal/cups magic from Fedora make it to Hoary?
[06:52] <psyklops> wow... hal...
[06:52] <psyklops> how much easier could it get?
[06:52] <tmartin> would some please tell me how to change my computer name?
[06:52] <psyklops> `hostname`
[06:57] <ficusplanet> Plug it in and it works.  If it can't tell what printer you plugged it, it gives a list of possibilities automatically.
[06:57] <psyklops> well... what I just did was install cupsys and foomatic (with foomatic-gui) and then basically did a next-next-next install
[06:57] <ficusplanet> psyklops, I agree that it's easy now, but really in most cases no user input whatsoever should be necessary to make the print work.
[06:57] <BlueStorm> My double click command is set to whois
[06:57] <BlueStorm> What should I enter to get PM happening?
[06:57] <psyklops> without knowing your IRC client?
[06:57] <BlueStorm> xchat
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> right click
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> open query
[06:57] <psyklops> preferences, just look a bit
[06:58] <BlueStorm> I foudn where to change it, I just don't know what to enter in the text box.
[06:58] <psyklops> well it starts with /msg
[06:59] <psyklops> and I guess maybe %s represents the person you clicked
[06:59] <psyklops> no that won't work...
[06:59] <psyklops> wonder what you enter to open a dialog.. hmm
[07:00] <ficusplanet> I don't think you do open a dialog in xchat.  You just /msg Nick Message
[07:00] <ficusplanet> If you want a chat dialog, use Gaim.
[07:00] <psyklops> (I just love going to read the documentation :))
[07:00] <spikeb> actually
[07:00] <GotD0t> no, you can open a dialoug in xchat
[07:00] <spikeb> dcc chat opens a dialog, as does msging
[07:00] <GotD0t> right click on the name then open dialoug window
[07:00] <GotD0t> ;-)
[07:00] <spikeb> GotD0t, if you msg the person, when they respond it'll pop open a window
[07:00] <psyklops> right click their name and click "open dialog window"
[07:01] <ficusplanet> Oh, OK.  Cool.
[07:01] <psyklops> but he wants it to be simpler
[07:01] <cef_work> the command you want is /query
[07:01] <cef_work> ie: /query cef_work
[07:02] <psyklops> really... let me test that
[07:04] <psyklops> he speaks the truth!
[07:04] <GotD0t> he does
[07:04] <cef_work> psyklops: showing my age knowing that.. I remember it from the days of ircII, early after it was first released
[07:04] <psyklops> now, how do you tell xchat to do that when you double click a name
[07:04] <psyklops> well, why am I asking...
[07:04] <psyklops> I don't want it, BlueStorm does
[07:04] <GotD0t> thats an irritating name
[07:04] <psyklops> the old curiousity kicking in and making me steal other people's problems
[07:05] <kurtw> Here is an off the wall question.  Anyone use iFolder with Ubuntu?
[07:05] <cef_work> Settings -> Preferences -> Interface -> User list -> Action Upon Double Click -> QUERY %s
[07:05] <psyklops> ah...
[07:05] <GotD0t> oh goodie, who wants a coaster
[07:05] <psyklops> I was adding the /, silly me
[07:05] <jdub> kurtw: i'm packaging ifolder
[07:05] <jdub> kurtw: needs a lot of love...
[07:06] <kurtw> jdub: Need a tester?
[07:06] <spikeb> hmm
[07:06] <spikeb> ifolder :)
[07:06] <psyklops> well BlueStorm, there's your answer
[07:06] <ficusplanet> jdub, I'd like to test, too.  Are you guys including mono in Hoary?
[07:06] <jdub> kurtw: at some stage, i'm waiting for a new release atm
[07:06] <kurtw> Mono is easy to install with apt
[07:06] <jdub> ficusplanet: potentially
[07:07] <psyklops> heh... he was off while we talked
[07:07] <jdub> ficusplanet: it's all in universe atm, and will be for hoary too
[07:07] <spikeb> blah
[07:07] <jdub> (if it doesn't make it into main)
[07:07] <spikeb> universe schmooniverse
[07:07] <ficusplanet> jdub, Excellent.
[07:07] <psyklops> why does xchat have 2 %s after "QUOTE WHOIS"?
[07:08] <ficusplanet> jdub, I don't know if you've discussed this at all, but have you guys looked into J5's hal/cups integration.  I know it's still a bit RH specific, but with it pretty much all hardware would be halized in Hoary.
[07:08] <jdub> yeah, i have
[07:08] <GotD0t> ok... Its late... im going to bed
[07:08] <jdub> most likely to make it into hoary if it makes it into GNOME 2.10
[07:08] <kurtw> 2.10?
[07:08] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK
[07:09] <jdub> kurtw: next release of gnome, due in march
[07:09] <cef_work> psyklops: afaik, it shouldn't
[07:09] <ficusplanet> It's amazing how quickly HAL has changed the Linux desktop.
[07:09] <kurtw> ic
[07:09] <psyklops> cef_work: thats what double click action is set to by default...
[07:10] <psyklops> action -> command
[07:10] <smo> If you include the nick twice on a whois request, you get a little more info .. most notable the idle time.  So I suspect it's twice for a reason
[07:10] <bern> anyone know of an NdisWrapper .deb package for amd64 systems?
[07:10] <cef_work> psyklops: not here.. but then, this is debian sid, not ubuntu, but shouldn't be any different
[07:11] <psyklops> I get idle time with 1xnick
[07:11] <cef_work> bern: you can use ndiswrapper with amd64?
[07:11] <smo> psyklops, that seems to be an oddity to this network .. on most, you won't (unless they're actually on the same server as you)
[07:12] <bern> cef_work: i don't know, i'm trying to get it working so I can try and get my onboard wireless working
[07:12] <psyklops> okay, explanation accepted
[07:14] <geppy> Does anyone here know how to permanently change the length of tabs in vi?  I'd like to change the length of the auto-indent, as well.
[07:16] <Pizbit> geppy: set ts=NUMBER in ~/.vimrc I think
[07:16] <geppy> Thanks.  :)
[07:17] <geppy> hmm...
[07:17] <geppy> Error detected while processing /home/geppy/.vimrc:
[07:17] <geppy> line    1:
[07:17] <geppy> E433: No tags file
[07:17] <geppy> E426: tag not found: =2
[07:18] <ficusplanet> I noticed that the sorting order changed from ABab to AaBb sometime between the preview and final.  My desktop didn't get this change however.  What do I do to change this?
[07:18] <geppy> Oh, oops... wrote "ts=2", not "set ts=2"
[07:19] <Pizbit> Does it work?
[07:20] <geppy> Pizbit:  Yes.  Though, how do I change the length of the auto-indent?
[07:20] <Pizbit> No idea;)
[07:21] <geppy> heh  =)
[07:21] <geppy> thanks
[07:22] <geppy> Is there a #vi?
[07:22] <geppy> I can't imagine there being all that much to talk about.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:23] <spikeb> well
[07:24] <utis> hello.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> hey
[07:25] <utis> I understand that I can install Debian packages in my new ubuntu system.  Is there a list of apt-URLs that are safe to use?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> utis: is the package not in universe?
[07:25] <psyklops> check your sources.list
[07:25] <psyklops> theres a commented source
[07:26] <utis> Hm, I have used the synaptic tool and with the URLs provided there by default I could not find a few packages.
[07:26] <SimonT> is ubuntu relatively easy to install ?
[07:26] <utis> Like nethack, sodipodi  ...
[07:26] <spikeb> yes it is
[07:27] <utis> SimonT: I just did it right now and it was like a dream.
[07:27] <Burgundavia> are other people have the expired cert with bugzilla.ubuntu?
[07:27] <geppy> Yes.
[07:27] <utis> I didn't even have to something to get X on my laptop running. Amazing.
[07:28] <Burgundavia> utis: What specifically are you looking for?
[07:28] <tableist90> does anyone know how to make a keyboard shortcut to an application?
[07:28] <geppy> yes
[07:28] <jdub> tableist90: you can do that in gconf-editor
[07:29] <tableist90> well..kinda new to linux here
[07:29] <utis> Burgundavia: nethack, sodipodi, sbcl come to my mind right now.
[07:29] <geppy> Computer>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:29] <tableist90> yah but i can't bind a keyboard shortcut to a specific app that i want
[07:30] <pbook2> has anyone tried mol on ubuntu?
[07:30] <plovs_work> mako, thanks for the cc-meeting summery.
[07:31] <Burgundavia> utis: have you enabled universe?
[07:31] <altan> before I start installing ubuntu, does ubuntu support NTFS read so I can copy all the stuff from my backup drive (MP3s) to my main drive while I format it to reiserfs or ext3 or do I have to copy the stuff to my main HD now, format it to FAT32, and put it all back again?
[07:31] <Gmail> btw guys there have been some cds shipped the ones to people which work at where they are being made
[07:31] <tableist90> jdub: where is it located?
[07:31] <geppy> altan:  Yes.
[07:31] <altan> all right
[07:32] <SimonTea> gmail for people without a burner ?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> utis: I found sodipodi in universe
[07:32] <Burgundavia> utis: net-hack as well
[07:32] <geppy> SimonTea: ?
[07:32] <SimonTea> well i am downloading the iso now
[07:32] <utis> Burgundavia: ah, no. I seem to recall that I have read that term somewhere.
[07:32] <SimonTea> so i'm wondering what the issue is about cd's being pressed
[07:33] <Burgundavia> load synaptic
[07:33] <Burgundavia> under settings--
[07:33] <Burgundavia> repositories
[07:33] <jdub> SimonTea: they'll most likely arrive next month
[07:33] <Burgundavia> check the 2 lines labelled universe
[07:33] <Burgundavia> you should get a message regarding if you want to enable universe
[07:34] <Burgundavia> utis: They should be the 4th and 5th lines
[07:35] <utis> Burgundavia: ah. Thank you.
[07:35] <Burgundavia> utis: did that get it?
[07:35] <Simono> i keep getting knocked off irc
[07:35] <bern> anyone know of an NdisWrapper .deb package for amd64 systems?
[07:35] <utis> JUST CHECKING.
[07:35] <utis> sorry
[07:35] <Burgundavia> np
[07:35] <jamesh> bern: to use with your amd64 windows drivers?
[07:36] <utis> i have not yet made caps into control ...
[07:37] <kurtw> I think I found a bug in the universe when trying to apt-get install transcode.  Can someone confirm?
[07:37] <bern> jamesh: yes
[07:37] <jamesh> bern: if you want to use win32 drivers on an Athlon 64 system, you'll need to run a 32-bit kernel, unfortunately :(
[07:37] <bern> jamesh:  :(
[07:37] <jamesh> bern: one of the problems with proprietary software ...
[07:37] <bern> jamesh:  i'm trying to get my internal wireless card working, supposedly the chipset is BCM94306
[07:37] <tableist90> hey can u guys help me create a keyboard shorcut for a specific application?
[07:38] <GOwin> my eth0 is found by ubuntu as eth2. firestarter knows it as eth0 (i think) how do i rename eth2 as eth0?
[07:38] <bern> brb
[07:38] <jamesh> bern: well, if you need to get the wireless card working and there is no free driver, you might need to install Ubuntu/i386
[07:38] <Burgundavia> kurtw: the package I have is 2:06.12-sarge06, is that the package?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> kurtw: I had sarge enabled, let me try that again
[07:41] <kurtw> Burgundavia: Same package that I have.  Seems to be trouble with libjasper-1.701-1
[07:41] <utis> Burgundavia: thanks that gives me a lot more packages.
[07:41] <utis> Unfortunately I can't find sbcl. :(
[07:42] <Burgundavia> kurtw: ok, let me try and install it
[07:42] <Burgundavia> kurtw: I got the same error
[07:42] <Burgundavia> kurtw: let me try with sarge enabled
[07:43] <nathanieldelaney> hey, i got tuxracer installed.  how do I play it?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: have you logged out and logged back in to see if it is in the menu?
[07:44] <geppy> $ tuxracer
[07:44] <nathanieldelaney> nope.
[07:44] <nathanieldelaney> ill try those
[07:44] <nathanieldelaney> thanks
[07:45] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: ahh seems ldap-account-manager is in universe.. w00t!
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> hooray :)
[07:45] <Burgundavia> kurtw: the problem is that libjasper is not in universe. But it is in sarge
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> when ubuntu can go and get me donuts
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> I will be very happy
[07:46] <kurtw> How can I enable sarge as an apt source?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> kurtw: try this: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ main unstable
[07:46] <Burgundavia> sorry http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> not recommended
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> just quietly
[07:46] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: apt-get install donuts doesn't work?  ;)
[07:46] <Burgundavia> as HrdwrBoB says
[07:46] <utis> not recommended?
[07:46] <HrdwrBoB> no, not recommended
[07:46] <kurtw> in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:46] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: I just couldn't be arsed screwing around with samba/ldap to get something that worked.. this should make it a lot easier, and then I can tell the consultant guy we have to leave me alone
[07:46] <Burgundavia> kurtw: you can use synaptic to do it automatically
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> cef:heh consultants
[07:47] <utis> Hm, then I'd have to compile sbcl myself. :(
[07:47] <thoreauputic> kurtw: you will break stuff
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> cef:I want to move here to LDAP
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> we have WAY too many seperate user dbs
[07:47] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: this one is apparently trying to buy into the company
[07:47] <Burgundavia> kurtw: just remember to uncheck sarge before you do any updates on your box or you will get a bunch of newer packages that may break your machine
[07:47] <nathanieldelaney> logging in and out didnt bring it into the menu, and $tuxracer doesnt do anything
[07:48] <kurtw> ok.  Just need the source to get dvdrip going.
[07:48] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: well I'll let you know how things go.. nfi if lam really works for anything other than samba.. but I can only look and see
[07:48] <thoreauputic> nathanieldelaney: just tuxracer (no $ )
[07:48] <mako> plovs_work: no problem
[07:48] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: not in applications --> games?
[07:48] <nathanieldelaney> command not found
[07:48] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: cool cheers
[07:48] <nathanieldelaney> nope
[07:49] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: look at the listing of files installed for the package, and see if you see something like tuxracer somewhere
[07:49] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: new mail servers are all ready bar actual deployment and the ldap db setup.. so yeah.. now just considering if I should re-install them with ubuntu instead of testing.. *grin*
[07:51] <bigbrother0074> could anybody tell me why firefox quits if i type gr or gn or something like that?
[07:51] <nathanieldelaney> "/usr/lib/menu/tuxracer"
[07:51] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: I am just installing tuxracer right now
[07:51] <bigbrother0074> i type it into the google searchbar thing
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: :)
[07:52] <timothy> bigbrother0074: why ever type anything in that tiny bar? :) You can use the built-in hotlink to google :)
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> cef_work: I'm highly likely to install ubuntu on our new server
[07:52] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[07:52] <timothy> bigbrother0074: That's not a real answer, but a workaround ...
[07:52] <cef_work> HrdwrBoB: the main issue is: do I want to go thru and reinstall them? (ie: effort)
[07:53] <nathanieldelaney> there's a "/usr/games/tuxracer"
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> ahh yeah
[07:53] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: I cannot seem to replicate it
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> timothy: it's easier to tab over to that after ctrl+t
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> bit of a pain
[07:53] <Zindar> nathanieldelaney: try it
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> no big drama here, I'm still waiting on the third damn quote
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> so we can get the stupid thing!
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> i have firefox 0.9.3.....
[07:53] <Burgundavia> cef_work: can you get paid for it?
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> should i just upgrade and see if that's the prob?
[07:53] <bigbrother0074> can i upgrade to 1.0?
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> Burgundavia: he would get paid regardless :)
[07:53] <nathanieldelaney> that worked
[07:53] <nathanieldelaney> thanks
[07:53] <timothy> bigbrother0074: by default, I think it's "google $searchterm," but you can shorten if to g $search term; I hate that little bar because it's harder to type a longer phrase without losing track of whether you mistyped something :)
[07:54] <cef_work> Burgundavia: it's my job.. I'd be paid for it no matter what.. but it's still a matter of wether I have the time
[07:54] <cef_work> Burgundavia: though I'd prefer ubuntu simply because it's out and has security updates
[07:54] <thoreauputic> nathanieldelaney: that means /usr/games is not in your search path
[07:54] <Burgundavia> cef_work: then debatable
[07:54] <bigbrother0074> timothy:  i don't understand....what's default and how sould i change it?
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> bigbrother0074: start synaptic
[07:54] <HrdwrBoB> and you can refresh your lists
[07:55] <nathanieldelaney> is there any way I can add a program to the applications menu that doesnt appear there?
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> and then choose to upgrade mozilla-firefox
[07:55] <timothy> bigbrother0074: there are various hotlinks that are built in to Firefox (quick searches) but you can add your own or modify them.
[07:55] <bigbrother0074> timothy: i see
[07:55] <cef_work> Burgundavia: if sarge was out or at least had security updates, I would just leave it as is till Hoary
[07:55] <timothy> bigbrother0074: you type into the regular URL bar, rather than the puny Google search bar to the right of the real URL bar.
[07:55] <bigbrother0074> timothy:  ah...i understand
[07:56] <timothy> bigbrother0074: And you can have keywords set up to search various things ... hold a sec, I just saw a good tutorial.
[07:56] <bigbrother0074> timothy: i had that set up on xp last year actually...i was proud of my registry hack
[07:58] <timothy> bigbrother0074: http://www.noscope.com/journal/2004/06/search
[07:58] <timothy> That's not the one I was thinking of, but it looks helpful :)
[07:58] <Burgundavia> nathanieldelaney: tuxracer ran no prob from the run command
[07:59] <timothy> This is one of the few spots I think FireFox loses to Mozilla :)
[07:59] <bigbrother0074> HrdwrBoB: i looked at the synaptic, and mozilla-firefox is a green square, and it won't let me mark it for upgrade
[07:59] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: 0.9.3 is the latest for ubuntu
[07:59] <nathanieldelaney> yeah
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> bigbrother0074: sorry I was on crack
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> 0.9.3 is the latest
[07:59] <HrdwrBoB> it was rolled back
[07:59] <Burgundavia> they have backported the security patches though
[07:59] <bigbrother0074> Burgundavia:  ahh...i was wondering about that
[08:00] <Burgundavia> I belive that 1.0pr was unstable
[08:00] <bigbrother0074> so....suggestions?  don't use it?
[08:01] <jdub> bigbrother0074: not atm
[08:01] <bigbrother0074> jdub:  eh?
[08:02] <jdub> don't use firefox 1.0PR1
[08:02] <bigbrother0074> jdub: yea, i got that
[08:03] <bigbrother0074> jdub:  but my problem is that when i type "gr" or "gn" into the google search bar, the program either freezes, or completely shuts down
[08:03] <bigbrother0074> jdub: and i'm using 0.9.3
[08:03] <jdub> probably best to avoid typing "gr" or "gn" into the google search bar, then ;)
[08:04] <bigbrother0074> but when i need help for "gnome" something...
[08:04] <spikeb> gr and gn work fine fo rme
[08:04] <spikeb> heh
[08:05] <bigbrother0074> how does my computer get so retarded so quickly?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: make a bookmark for www.google.com/linux :)
[08:06] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic: cool -- will do
[08:06] <thoreauputic> bigbrother0074: you get a nice penguin into the bargain that way ;)
[08:07] <bigbrother0074> thoreauputic: uh huh
[08:07] <Gmail> Microsoft Windows: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
[08:07] <Gmail> > UrbanDictionary.com
[08:07] <Gmail> rotfl
[08:07] <lhb> morning
[08:07] <Gmail> after noon
[08:07] <bigbrother0074> haha
[08:07] <bigbrother0074> good evening
[08:07] <Android16> hello
[08:08] <cef_work> good after evening
[08:10] <cef_work> well that killed the conversation
[08:12] <spikeb> sure did
[08:12] <spikeb> you nasty person you
[08:12] <thoreauputic> does this channel have a resident bot?
[08:12] <cef_work> spikeb: hey, wasn't me! blame Gmail, he mentioned Windows!
[08:13] <bob2___> no.
[08:13] <cef_work> thoreauputic: though a few people sure to act like them, right bob2? *grin*
[08:13] <bob2___> cef_work: only when avoiding work ;-)
[08:14] <thoreauputic> cef_work: yeah, I'm actually a bot, but I don't like to advertise it
[08:15] <cef_work> thoreauputic: so you're worried that people will treat you differently if they know you're a bot? </eliza>
[08:16] <thoreauputic> cef_work: is it because you have trouble with your life that you say so you're worried that people will treat you differently ?
[08:16] <bigbrother0074> so, is there any way to view flash yet?  last i heard they didn't have one for 64-bit architecture or something like that
[08:16] <cef_work> heh
[08:17] <Burgundavia> bigbrother0074: for some minimal functionality, you could recompile the free flash library
[08:17] <cef_work> thoreauputic: I used to run a BBS.. and we had this one girl who called (yes, a girl, calling a BBS, back in '92 at the time) who was so dumb she chatted to the AI Chat program for almost an hour before she realised it was a bot.
[08:18] <spikeb> i used to run a computer
[08:18] <thoreauputic> cef_work: I'll avoid questions about her hair colour... ;)
[08:18] <bigbrother0074> Burgundavia:  what's the effort/output ratio?
[08:18] <spikeb> :)
[08:18] <cef_work> thoreauputic: she was actually.. *grin*