[00:00] <nubae2> no, no motus
[00:00] <LaserJock> I found the archive of the email
[00:00] <nubae2> enjoy :-)
[00:00] <LaserJock> my point is he doesn't have to do anything
[00:00] <nubae2> hes the only package manager
[00:00] <LaserJock> that doesn't *matter*
[00:00] <LaserJock> that's what I'm trying to get at
[00:01] <LaserJock> he's irrelevant
[00:01] <nubae2> how would we then get our packages into debian?
[00:01] <LaserJock> you *don't*
[00:01] <nubae2> right, thats a fork
[00:01] <LaserJock> *no*
[00:01] <nubae2> ok, maybe I dont get the politics of this then...
[00:02] <LaserJock> you can work in the Debian git repo in a 0.84 branch
[00:02] <LaserJock> and *nothing* is uploaded to Debian
[00:02] <LaserJock> Ubuntu just takes the git branch and uploads to Ubuntu
[00:02] <LaserJock> later on when Jonas decides he wants to upload 0.84 to Debian he can do that
[00:02] <LaserJock> but it's the same team, no forking
[00:02] <LaserJock> it's the same git, etc.
[00:03] <nubae2> well, Jonas will do his thing
[00:03] <nubae2> and we will do ours
[00:03] <nubae2> so who knows what happens later on down the line
[00:03] <LaserJock> ok, well whatever, I'll be quiet :-)
[00:03] <nubae2> but yeah hopefully there will be some civil merging
[00:03] <LaserJock> but how are you guys going to get Sugar fixed up?
[00:04] <nubae2> for one, by packaging abiword with libabiword
[00:04] <nubae2> fixing evince
[00:04] <nubae2> and alll the packages that depend on those
[00:04] <LaserJock> any new package should ideally be uploaded *today* btw
[00:05] <LaserJock> so who's going to do libabiword?
[00:05] <LaserJock> that's not a trivial change
[00:05] <nubae2> I see what u mean... but I only know the people involved... I'm not gonna take responsibility for messing something this major up
[00:06] <LaserJock> right, I'm just saying
[00:06] <LaserJock> this stuff needs to get figured out ASAP
[00:06] <nubae2> morgan is probably the right person to do it
[00:06] <LaserJock> because, like I said, it should've been done by today
[00:06] <nubae2> luke has been doing a lot of it, but he's not as experienced
[00:06] <nubae2> the fork was announced about 45 minutes ago
[00:07] <nubae2> whatcha want us to do?
[00:07] <nubae2> the problem is the amount of deps abiword needs
[00:07] <LaserJock> find somebody to get the packaging work done
[00:07] <nubae2> its a true pain in the ass
[00:08] <LaserJock> this is why Sugar needs to work on getting some devs going
[00:08] <nubae2> hmmm.... I can think of one person
[00:08] <nubae2> :-)
[00:08] <LaserJock> Xubuntu needs to be consulted
[00:09] <nubae2> look dont worry about it, we're anyway all focused on 0.83/0.84 and its major list of bugs
[00:09] <nubae2> libabiword thing is just one of many
[00:09] <LaserJock> right
[00:09] <LaserJock> but I'm not exactly sure libabiword is gonna make it
[00:09] <nubae2> and what has xubuntu got to do with this?
[00:09] <LaserJock> so ...
[00:09] <LaserJock> Xubuntu is the usual maintainer of abiword
[00:09] <nubae2> ah
[00:10] <LaserJock> they have the most experience with the package
[00:10] <nubae2> cause it comes in their main
[00:10] <nubae2> gotcha
[00:10] <LaserJock> and they would also be affected by any changes
[00:10] <LaserJock> you don't want to go screwing their package up right before a Freeze ;-)
[00:10] <nubae2> darn,.... when's feature freeze?
[00:10] <LaserJock> next thursday
[00:11] <nubae2> ok, well we'll sort it by then
[00:11] <LaserJock> generally that's when they stop processing the queu
[00:11] <LaserJock> +e
[00:11] <nubae2> yeah well this wouldnt be the first exception
[00:11] <nubae2> anyway, dude, u have enough to worry about with edubuntu
[00:12] <LaserJock> well, Feature Freeze may *not* apply, I don't know
[00:12] <nubae2> it was already decided nto to include in jaunty
[00:12] <LaserJock> it's the same source and upstream version
[00:12] <nubae2> so... leave this issue to someone else man
[00:12] <LaserJock> but a new binary
[00:12] <nubae2> welll a binary is easy
[00:13] <LaserJock> if you're not familiar with library packaging it can be a real pain
[00:13] <LaserJock> and it'll have to go through NEW
[00:13] <LaserJock> and since the debdiff has been rejected once already it's important to get another shot going soon
[00:14] <nubae2> LaserJock: u're taking this too personal man, let someone else take this one on
[00:14] <nubae2> its not on your shoulders
[00:14] <nubae2> or mine
[00:15] <nubae2> basically, Jonas started attacking the competency of ubuntu devs themselves
[00:15] <nubae2> etc etc
[00:15] <LaserJock> sure, I know the usual thing
[00:15] <LaserJock> but given that, you now have 0 Debian help
[00:16] <nubae2> nah thats not true
[00:16] <nubae2> we have holger
[00:16] <LaserJock> so I'm just trying to give some advice on making sure this thing makes it in Jaunty
[00:16] <nubae2> who more than wants to help
[00:16] <nubae2> what makes it into Jaunty?
[00:16] <nubae2> sguar?
[00:16] <nubae2> sugar?
[00:16] <LaserJock> a decently working sugar
[00:16] <LaserJock> vorian has really been helping
[00:17] <nubae2> well, its 2 real big ones that need to be fixed, abiword, and evince
[00:17] <LaserJock> you all need to give him some major props as he's a KDE guy
[00:17] <nubae2> tomeu is working on evince
[00:17] <LaserJock> right, but the problem is I've seen fixes for both of those rejected already
[00:17] <nubae2> and morgan/lfaraone will work on libabiword
[00:17] <LaserJock> and you're talking about pretty core apps
[00:17] <nubae2> by who?
[00:17] <nubae2> Jonas?
[00:17] <LaserJock> no
[00:18] <LaserJock> in Ubuntu
[00:18] <LaserJock> both tomeu and lfaraone's initial tries
[00:18] <nubae2> can i have a look at the links
[00:18] <LaserJock> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/320440
[00:19] <nubae2> I feel - and that needs to be coordinated with Debian.
[00:19] <nubae2> so it was a Jonas issue
[00:20] <LaserJock> no
[00:20] <LaserJock> it was rejected because it was a bad patch
[00:20] <LaserJock> so dholbach suggested working with Debian as lfaraone didn't seem to understand library packaging well
[00:20] <nubae2> ok, let me have a chat with lfaraone
[00:21] <nubae2> and find out what we can do
[00:21] <nubae2> right that was the attack from Jonas, who refused to help him
[00:21] <LaserJock> no
[00:21] <LaserJock> Jonas is not *any* part of that bug
[00:22] <LaserJock> now, if you can convince Masayuki Hatta to do the split in abiword right after lenny is release you might have a shot at it
[00:23] <nubae2> I'm not saying he was
[00:23] <nubae2> Im saying, that when he asked Jonas to help him with it, he was flatly told, u dont know enough about the technical stuff in git to get involved
[00:23] <LaserJock> otherwise you need to get somebody in Ubuntu to do it right and convince Xubuntu and a Core Dev that it's a good idea
[00:23] <nubae2> Im talking with luke about that right now
[00:24] <nubae2> man.... politics
[00:24] <LaserJock> considering abiword's history I think it's unlikely that we'll want to do it
[00:24] <nubae2> if this is how its its gonna be every time....
[00:24] <LaserJock> abiword used to be forked from Debian and it was a giant pain
[00:24] <nubae2> we aint got a choice in the matter
[00:24] <LaserJock> it's unlikely people will want to do it again unless Debian has at least said they're going to do it at some point
[00:25] <nubae2> well, holger said he'd take it over
[00:25] <nubae2> thats fine isnt it?
[00:25] <LaserJock> take over what?
[00:26] <nubae2> maintaining it
[00:26] <vorian> LaserJock: it's really no problem at all, just poke me if/when you guys need help :)
[00:26] <LaserJock> nubae2: abiword?
[00:27] <nubae2> yes.... but vorian^^^ what kinda help are u offering :D
[00:27] <LaserJock> nubae2: you can't just hijack people's packages, I doubt that's what he meant anyway
[00:27] <LaserJock> nubae2: holger doesn't maintain abiword so he's really not allowed to upload something like this
[00:28] <LaserJock> but perhaps he just meant offering a patch to the current maintainers
[00:28] <LaserJock> but it's still all rather late
[00:28] <LaserJock> oh well
[00:29] <nubae2> look, if u read the entire thread, u'll see how truly uncivil it all became
[00:29] <LaserJock> I'm just gonna have to say "not my problem" and let morgs, et. al take care of it
[00:29] <LaserJock> right, I understand
[00:29] <LaserJock> but Jonas doesn't matter
[00:29] <nubae2> a little bit of help was asked for to get the problem fixed once and for all, but it was stated by certain debian people that they would only work with 0.82
[00:29] <LaserJock> the question is how to go about getting things done for Jaunty
[00:30] <nubae2> right
[00:30] <nubae2> me... I'm fixing this by making a sugar on a stick and compiling abiword with libabiword from source
[00:30] <nubae2> that will work for me and my schools
[00:32] <nubae2> this is the latest luke email to jonas, which I think seems fine: Ubuntu will sync their changes back to Debian as soon as we can; that is, as soon as Sugar releases its next stable version. Which brings up a related question: are "beta" and "Release Candidate"s considered stable enough for Debian inclusion in your opinion?
[00:33] <nubae2> the issue here is, there is no point, and nobody will, work on 0.82 in the sugar team
[00:33] <nubae2> its just not gonna happen
[00:34]  * nubae2 wishes he had more time and was a faster learner so he could fix this himself, but hes not...
[00:34] <LaserJock> well, splitting abiword wouldn't take much time
[00:35] <LaserJock> doing all the paperwork and making sure all relevant parties are happy will
[00:35] <nubae2> i know, hence my own little solution :-)
[00:35] <nubae2> u know... fedora doesnt have this problem
[00:36] <nubae2> they happily managed to advance to a quite acceptable version in a matter of weeks
[00:36] <nubae2> what a sad state of affairs
[00:38]  * nubae2 breathes a little lighter....
[00:40] <LaserJock> well, Fedora does a lot of things well
[00:41] <LaserJock> but other things not so well
[00:41] <LaserJock> they seem fairly interested in OLPC stuff
[00:41] <nubae2> yup, but clearly in this situ.... no politics were involved
[00:41] <nubae2> they just went and did the work
[00:45] <LaserJock> well, that's good and bad
[00:45] <LaserJock> we have politics because we have a lot of people all collaborating and depending on each other
[00:46] <LaserJock> Fedora doesn't have to work with derivatives and quite a lot of their stuff is managed through Red Hat
[00:46] <LaserJock> so it tends to be more "this is how we're gonna do it" rather than "how are we gonna do it?"
[00:50] <nubae2> Fedora has derivates too
[00:50] <nubae2> maybe not such big ones
[00:50] <LaserJock> not like our relationship with Debian really
[00:50] <nubae2> but still, Im sure they have their own political battles, but it just seems from this recent experience like something went big time wrong
[00:51] <nubae2> and I wonder how I (we) can learn from it
[00:51] <LaserJock> well, it's somewhat common when a strong player in Debian is nasty
[00:51] <LaserJock> and it always comes out at release time
[00:52] <LaserJock> the problem is always going to be incompatible objectives and timelines
[00:52] <LaserJock> I dont think it's particularly wise to work on Ubuntu via Debian
[00:53] <LaserJock> if Ubuntu people want to work on Debian, awesome. but they have to remember they are working on Debian, not Ubuntu
[00:54] <nubae2> yeah well it always seemed like it was 2 times the power
[00:54] <nubae2> but in times like this it seems the opposite :-)
[00:54] <LaserJock> heh, yeah
[00:55] <nubae2> I guess the bsd distros go through similar stuff
[00:55] <nubae2> cause of their hierarchy
[00:56] <nubae2> I actually bought back like 15 distro cds from fossdem (free copies of course) so I'm curious to see where they're all at now
[00:56] <nubae2> the ubuntu ones were gone on the first day in under 2 hours
[00:56] <nubae2> was funny
[00:57] <LaserJock> it is
[00:57] <nubae2> and gentoo had its own hand written no labels cds
[00:57] <LaserJock> because they're the easiest to download
[00:57] <nubae2> mandriva had the coolest looking case by far
[00:58] <nubae2> and then there were like 8 different bsd derivs (pcbsd,
[00:58] <nubae2> and ll its clones
[00:58] <nubae2> forget the names now
[00:58] <nubae2> but basically just all freebsd
[01:00] <nubae2> there were some really interesting xmpp talks
[01:00] <nubae2> a whole day of different xmpp apps
[01:00] <nubae2> was impressive
[01:02] <LaserJock> well, I think I'm gonna maybe send out an email with the things I'm doing for Jaunty
[01:03] <LaserJock> and the rest are just gonna have to be up for grabs
[01:03] <LaserJock> I've talked some various devs and they've been encouraging about just asking the developer community for help
[01:05] <nubae2> oh yeah...
[01:05] <nubae2> I have the kde contact details here for u
[01:05] <nubae2> for the guys who really wanted to be involved with edubuntu
[01:09] <nubae2> u want tel too? or just email?
[01:09] <LaserJock> email is good
[01:09] <nubae2> Jos Poortvliet<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:10] <nubae2> he seemed to know what was the current state of affairs of the apps quite well and showed me some plasmoid magic...
[01:10] <nubae2> from the Netherlands
[01:11] <nubae2> also, he showed me the new kstars
[01:11] <nubae2> which is actually starting to rival celestia
[01:29] <nubae2> git-buildpackage is what exactly?
[01:30] <LaserJock> nubae2: it helps you build source packages from a git repo
[01:31] <LaserJock> and with that I've gotta run
[04:51] <nubae2> mornin alkisg
[04:51] <alkisg> Hey nubae2, what's up?
[04:51] <alkisg> You're a morning type too, heh? :)
[04:51] <nubae2> well sometimes a all nighter type
[04:51] <nubae2> but usually morning yeah
[04:51] <nubae2> it all depends
[04:52] <nubae2> u know the way it is... if u get into something u sometimes cant stop
[04:52] <alkisg> Yeah, I know... Not being able to sleep after 7:00 am is a curse :(
[04:55] <nubae2> hey whats ure email again?
[04:55] <nubae2> I have something that will make u crack up... email from debian maintainers concerning sugar :-)
[04:56] <nubae2> and what bad people ubuntu guys really are
[04:57] <alkisg> Heh... alkisg at gmail
[04:58] <nubae2> quite unbelievable actually
[04:58] <nubae2> It was the 56 or 57th message in the thread that I ended up having been stupid enough to start
[04:59] <nubae2> causing a fork from debian
[04:59] <nubae2> ahh man, what a day/night
[04:59]  * alkisg reads...
[05:00] <nubae2> and the only thing i did was ask for help
[05:02] <alkisg> Oh no you're gonna start a schism :D
[05:02] <alkisg> People will remember you as the guy who started the war :P
[05:04] <nubae2> jeez... the guy is just nuts though
[05:04] <nubae2> hes flamed everyone on sugar and ubuntu
[05:05] <alkisg> The bad thing with the internet is that this guy could be a 12 year old kid...
[05:05] <nubae2> yeah, I fear not
[05:06] <alkisg> Anyway gotta get my kids to school. guten Morgen :)
[05:07] <nubae> go for it ;-)
[11:44] <nubae> moaning
[11:45] <nubae> ooof.. no afternoon already
[12:03] <jaggedaloc> Hey room...  anyone have any knowledge of the edubuntu remix for the Classmate 2go PC?
[12:04] <jaggedaloc> I'm wondering if it ever went further than Release Canidate stage.
[12:07] <nubae> ogra would be the one to ask for that
[12:09] <ogra> i'm not working on that anymore, our OEM team works with intel directly now, which means intel controls where or how (or if at all) the image gets published
[12:09] <ogra> my work on it ended with what you find on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/images/hardy/
[12:11] <jaggedaloc> thanks
[12:13] <jaggedaloc> ogra: Opinion -- should I try Ubuntu Netbook Remix?
[12:13] <ogra> sure, you can do that
[12:13] <ogra> afaik thats what the new classmate image will be based on as well
[12:14] <jaggedaloc> thanks one million
[18:53]  * nubae waves
[18:53] <LaserJock> hi nubae
[18:54] <nubae> hey... so u missed the email that got the jackpot
[18:54] <nubae> from yesterday
[18:55] <nubae> I didnt respond anymore, because it was just incredible.... I showed alkisg this morning he was lol
[18:58] <nubae> it just got so personal, i was adviced by more mature people on the list to just not even answer anymore, because it became a straight out, ubuntu is crap and it has caused debian to die kinda thread
[18:59] <nubae> so I just read the email, mouth open a little, and then left it at that... anyway, on to more practical things
[18:59] <nubae> Spoke to morgan and Lfaraone today
[19:02] <LaserJock> nubae: and any progress made?
[19:05] <nubae> jut to bring this back public, in case others read...
[19:05] <nubae> I believe he wants to test it himself first
[19:05] <nubae> right I understand
[19:06] <LaserJock> np
[19:06] <LaserJock> just as soon as you can
[19:06] <LaserJock> get it up there for review
[19:06] <LaserJock> how's evince?
[19:06] <nubae> ill make sure it gets to u?
[19:06] <nubae> also supposedly fixed
[19:06] <LaserJock> has it been uploaded?
[19:06] <nubae> and nm problem, which was really a regression
[19:07] <nubae> well its all in their ppas i believe
[19:07] <LaserJock> I hate to beat a dead horse, but it's not fixed until it's in the archive
[19:07] <nubae> they really should pass it on to motu
[19:07] <LaserJock> MOTU isn't sufficent
[19:07] <LaserJock> it has to be Core Dev
[19:07] <nubae> ok, so pass it to you then?
[19:08] <LaserJock> well, I can look at it, but evince should go to Desktop Team
[19:08] <LaserJock> and abiword should likely go to Xubuntu
[19:09] <nubae> ok im still unsure of the flow of packages and maybe they are too or maybe not
[19:09] <nubae> ill make sure to find out though
[19:09] <nubae> i have to go eat, bbiab
[19:09] <LaserJock> if you need a "does this seem reasonable" I can certainly look at the patches
[19:09] <LaserJock> but you generally should go to the people most affected by the changes
[19:10] <LaserJock> generally the Desktop Team takes care of Gnome and Xubuntu takes care of gnumeric & abiword
[19:10] <nubae> right, we'll (or I'll if it is just me) learn that process as quickly as I can
[19:10] <LaserJock> any core dev *can* upload it, but it's nice to get the most relevant team
[19:32] <Lns> Hey all
[19:32] <LaserJock> hi Lns
[19:33] <Lns> Anyone know why, when editing moinmoin (ubuntu) wiki, and putting in a bash script #!/bin/bash (in a code block), it takes it out when viewing it? Any way to show it?
[19:33] <Lns> hey LaserJock =)
[19:34] <LaserJock> well, # is a macro definition in moin
[19:35] <nubae> whats the delimiter again?
[19:35] <LaserJock> I don't know offhand how you escape that
[19:35] <Lns> it just started doing that recently afaik
[19:35] <nubae> backslash?
[19:35] <alkisg> Lns:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NautilusScriptsHowto
[19:35] <alkisg> There's an example there, see the code
[19:35] <alkisg> Search for /bin/bash
[19:36] <Lns> alkisg: thanks!! looks like you just have to indent that line
[19:36] <nubae> hmm really?
[19:36] <nubae> thats easy then
[19:38] <Lns> of course that leaves space when people want to copy/paste
[19:38] <LaserJock> an I hate doing MIRs :/
[19:39]  * nubae is gonna get that list of universe apps to LaserJock tonight
[19:40] <Lns> For anyone wondering what i've been up to, here ya go: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCStartup
[19:40] <nubae> hmmm your pages get prettier and prettier :p
[19:41] <LaserJock> nubae: yeah, we're not going to get anything into Main it looks like so we should try to do the best we can with Universe
[19:42] <Lns> nubae: prettier? =p
[19:42] <nubae> and that way we can get some feedback on the apps too
[19:42] <nubae> ofr Jaunty+1
[19:42] <LaserJock> nubae: yeah, exactly
[19:42] <nubae> Lns: yes, nicer looking
[19:43] <LaserJock> it will give a much easier way to push things into Main as well, I think
[19:43] <alkisg> Hey, CategoryLtsp? :)
[19:43] <Lns> nubae: haha..thanks!
[19:43] <LaserJock> so you have "General Universe" -> "Edubuntu Universe" -> "Edubuntu Main"
[19:43] <Lns> alkisg: yup =) that's in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLtspTemplate
[19:43] <nubae> whats the state of sabayon now btw, wasnt following that much
[19:44] <alkisg> Wow, someone's been reading the moinmoin docs... :)
[19:44] <nubae> who's in the mood for some quick regexp bashisms?
[19:44] <LaserJock> nubae: well, sabayon hasn't changed :/
[19:45] <nubae> oh, I thought it was kinda fixed
[19:47] <LaserJock> well, we found some bugs
[19:47] <LaserJock> but you fix one and another pops up, and so on
[19:49] <nubae> ah right
[19:51] <Lns> "If at first you don't succeed, call it v1.0"
[20:15] <alkisg> Has anyone used prism? I'm trying to bundle into .debs some flash/html educational applications...
[20:18] <LaserJock> I've used it before
[20:35] <alkisg> LaserJock: succesfully? had any problems?
[20:39] <LaserJock> nope
[20:39] <LaserJock> I didn't end up using it a ton
[20:39] <LaserJock> as I just open up tabs for the apps I'd be using anyway
[20:46] <alkisg> Yeah, for experienced users it's not really useful, I was thinking about the young students...
[20:47] <LaserJock> yeah, seems like it would be awesome
[20:54] <Ahmuck> Lns: call it ME.  and if you don't suceed the second time, call it Vista
[20:54] <Lns> Ahmuck: ha
[20:56] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: and if it doesn't work a third time switch two whole numbers
[20:58] <LaserJock> s/two/to/
[21:19] <nubae> http://zim-wiki.org/
[21:34] <Lns> nubae: oo, looks like tomboy notes. I like "sticky notes" for their simplicity in design, but wish it had note linking
[21:34] <Lns> tomboy notes is a bit much for me


[13:54] <brainwave_> anyone help me to use bzr to get ubuntu packages
[19:32] <nicoulaj> Hi all
[19:33] <nicoulaj> In "bzr status", paths are shown relative to the repository root and not the current directory, anyway to get rid of this ?
[19:55] <jelmer> nicoulaj: hi
[19:55] <jelmer> nicoulaj: I don't think there is something like that at the moment, but IIRC there is a bug report about it.
[20:03] <nicoulaj> jelmer: this behaviour is really annoying :(
[22:30] <rsingh> hello all: a quick question. I have successfully merged my code from my server, but my logs have not been updated on my desktop. The code was done on my laptop, and I pushed it to the server. Now i am on my desktop, and i successfully merged, but after bzr log, it only goes up to the last log i committed on this desktop. Is that normal? should i have expected all the logs i committed from the laptop as well?
[22:31] <rsingh> My worry being that if I edit on this desktop and push, then I will lose all the logs documenting my work from the laptop...


[00:19] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: ping
[00:19] <jono> hey JoseeAntonioR
[00:20] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: limits are 10 people, would be host +9 guests
[00:20] <jono> jcastro, nope
[00:20] <jono> we are not using the premium accts for this UDS jcastro
[00:20] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, yep
[00:20] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: if you want to get the ubuntuonair session, I can do it tomorrow, just got permission for Tue, but not Wed
[00:20] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, I am fine, I can do it
[00:20] <jono> thanks!
[00:20] <jono> I am gonna do it in my normal slot this week
[00:21] <JoseeAntonioR> oh wait, I'm talking about UDS
[00:22] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, oh cool, let me check
[00:22] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, can you register a blueprint
[00:22] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[00:22] <jono> name it community-1303-ubuntu-on-air
[00:23] <jono> and target it at the UDS 1303 sprint
[00:23] <jono> I will schedule it for the last slot tomorrow
[00:24] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, it'd crash with the loco thing
[00:24] <JoseeAntonioR> but well
[00:24] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, you can always watch the video from the loco one after :-)
[00:26] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, blueprint registered
[00:36] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: question, are you guys doing the plenaries in just one video?
[00:37] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, yes
[00:38] <JoseeAntonioR> you may want to link it to ubuntuonair.com
[00:42] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, link what?
[00:42] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: embed the plenary videos at ubuntuonair.com
[00:42] <JoseeAntonioR> it's already linking to uds
[00:44] <jono> jcastro, hey
[00:45] <jono> jcastro, around?
[00:45] <jcastro> yep
[00:45] <jcastro> I'll be eating tacos soon though
[00:45] <jcastro> so be quick!
[00:45] <jono> jcastro, can you just make the keynote one session?
[00:45] <jcastro> (or be ...)
[00:45] <jono> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21601/introduction/
[00:45] <jcastro> dead!
[00:45] <jono> otherwise it means there is a different video stream for each bit
[00:45] <jcastro> you mean make them all one big block?
[00:45] <jono> yeah
[00:45] <jono> same with the plenaries
[00:45] <jcastro> oh
[00:45] <jono> so we can have it all on one session page
[00:46] <jcastro> I need michael to fanagle the slots
[00:46] <jcastro> but I can try to figure it out
[00:46] <jono> cant you just delete them and add one 1hr block
[00:46] <jono> thanks
[00:46] <jono> we need this doing obviously today
[00:46] <jcastro> yeah, I'm just saying if I delete stuff
[00:46] <jcastro> and summit explodes
[00:47] <jono> I am sure cjohnston can help too
[00:47] <jcastro> cjohnston: can I just delete the 3 slots and grow the first one?
[00:47] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/slot/ there you can modify slots
[00:47] <cjohnston> jcastro: yes
[00:57] <jcastro> ok everyone refresh
[00:57] <jcastro> the titles are on the mouse over
[00:57] <jcastro> (they won't fit in the title)
[00:57] <cjohnston> !fail!
[00:57] <ubot2`> Factoid 'fail!' not found
[00:58] <jcastro> <-- tacos, cyall tommorrow!
[01:24] <jono> thanks jcastro
[01:24] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, ok ubuntu on air session scheduled
[01:25] <jono> can you run it?
[01:25] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: yep, I think so
[01:25] <jono> thanks!
[01:25] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[08:17] <philipballew> AlanBell, Gonna be any ubingo this time around?
[08:55] <AlanBell> philipballew: oh I could update some words
[08:57] <philipballew> It always helps me get my uds off to a good start
[09:02] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/ mir related words now added to the list
[09:02] <AlanBell> thought about removing Wayland but left it in in the end
[09:06] <dpm> AlanBell, I'm missing 'crisp' from the list :)
[09:07] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5587369/ there now
[09:08] <AlanBell> note that it is a webapp \o/
[09:12] <dpm> nice :)
[09:19] <philipballew> Nice!
[09:20] <philipballew> I wonder if the fact Rick is giving the keynote will change anything.
[09:44] <vibhav> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cKmsC6Qofvk/UTW9_CKATSI/AAAAAAAABI4/w5LN9AMZVcg/s287/mir.png
[09:56] <AlanBell> anyone got it running yet?
[10:07] <dpm> the phoronix guys did ;)
[10:12] <czajkowski> why no dholbach
[10:15] <dpm> czajkowski, he'll be online later on
[10:30] <popey> czajkowski: i suspect some people have negotiated late starts :D
[10:30] <czajkowski> Itd be handy if I could have done similar, unfortunately it's not :(
[10:31] <Daviey> Yeah, i should have done this
[10:32] <popey> or breaks in their day
[10:32] <czajkowski> two folks on my team are getting up at 1am their time to take part
[10:35] <dpm> czajkowski, yeah, but still better than traveling :)
[10:36] <dpm> and jet lag
[10:36] <czajkowski> for some :) staying up for 7 hours and then doing work should be interesting :)
[10:37] <dpm> right, I've been there many times :)
[10:37] <popey> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1138121 would you say that's a "translation" issue?
[10:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1138121 in software-properties ""Taiwan R.O.C." is practically a <country>, but not "Province of <country>" | （zh_TW: 「台灣」實際上是一個「國家」，而非「『國家』的一省」）" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:37] <popey> \o/ unicode!
[10:39] <dpm> popey, hm, yeah, we've had this one popping up in other places too. There is not much we can do, as we're using the listings from the ISO standard, which we don't want to modify unilaterally. There is an iso-codes package that they can translate, so that in their language it's not mentioned as a province
[10:40] <dpm> let me add a comment
[10:44] <SergioMeneses> hi all! good morning
[10:47] <popey> thanks dpm
[10:47] <dpm> hola SergioMeneses
[10:48] <SergioMeneses> dpm, buenos dias! como va todo?
[10:58] <dpm> SergioMeneses, buenas! Bien, preparándolo todo para UDS :)
[10:59] <SergioMeneses> dpm, me too :)
[10:59]  * SergioMeneses is making coffee
[12:49] <jcastro> dpm: I'm starting early today just in case. :)
[12:51]  * dpm hugs jcastro
[12:56] <jcastro> we start in one hour right?
[12:57] <cjohnston> we start today?
[12:58] <cjohnston> I haven't gotten on the plane yet
[12:58]  * popey claims his per-diem
[12:59] <cjohnston> popey: all the extra coffee I've consumed and am going to consumed because of it.. dinner wouldn't be enough to cover it
[12:59] <cjohnston> lol
[12:59] <cjohnston> popey: did you get the post I tagged you in on facebook a couple weeks ago?
[13:00] <popey> I did, and ignored it :D
[13:00] <cjohnston> that's why I had to ask
[13:00] <cjohnston> hehe
[13:01] <cjohnston> I've got a smart kid. lol
[13:06] <dpm> cjohnston, so the hangout url we put in summit (not the broadcast URL) - will that be shown somewhere, or do we just give it to people who want to join the hangout?
[13:07] <dpm> cjohnston, and the limit is still 10 people, right?
[13:07] <cjohnston> they will get a link saying "Join the Hangout on Air" right over the broadcast display in an h3 font..
[13:07] <cjohnston> dpm: that's what Jono said. I didn't think so
[13:08] <cjohnston> so I dunno.. outside of my pay grade
[13:43]  * philipballew is online and reporting for duty.
[13:44] <jcastro> hmm, I suppose I should put pants on now
[13:44] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, please!
[13:45] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, morning!
[13:46] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, greetings!
[13:47] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, ready for uds?
[13:47] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, if the coffee im about to drink works I will be
[13:48] <philipballew> you?
[13:48] <czajkowski> someone pass the root beer and taffy place
[13:48] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, of course!
[13:48] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, :)
[13:49] <cjohnston> czajkowski: you added an extra word in there... "root" should be removed ;-)
[13:49] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, https://twitter.com/popey/status/306473397511135232/photo/1
[13:49] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, thats pretty much what I just did
[13:50] <popey> ditto
[13:51] <philipballew> If only I was one of those cool people with Ubuntu backgrounds...
[13:52] <czajkowski> philipballew: meh each to their own, you can be unique and make your own background very you
[13:53] <philipballew> good point czajkowski
[13:53] <czajkowski> if we all had the same it would be very boring
[13:54] <philipballew> Thats probably true for many parts of the world
[13:54] <philipballew> So the summit video will refresh on the page for each session, or do refresh it myself?
[13:57] <mhall119> philipballew: each page will only have the video for that session
[13:57] <philipballew> mhall119, alright!
[13:57] <mhall119> but if you see the placeholder image, it should refresh that once a video is available
[13:57] <philipballew> ah, I see now.
[13:59] <philipballew> so for the sessions I need to be in the hangout for. So I have to give someone my google plus hangout profile or something?
[14:00] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, the chair invites you
[14:00] <SergioMeneses> I think so
[14:00] <philipballew> SergioMeneses, alright
[14:06] <mhall119> philipballew: yeah, ask the meeting chair to add you to the list or give you the hangout url
[14:07] <philipballew> mhall119, alright, probably best to ask when the meeting starts I assume.
[14:07] <philipballew> thanks for the info
[14:20] <philipballew> Ubingo time!
[14:23] <jcastro> jono: is sil-unwell aquarius or some other guy?
[14:27] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: there are a couple more bugs for summit for you ;-)
[14:27] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: lucky you, I just got home from school
[14:27] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: no point in working on them until after uds
[14:27] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, well
[14:27] <cjohnston> unless you get that bored in sessions
[14:27] <cjohnston> they wont be released before its over
[14:29] <JoseeAntonioR> ok then
[14:33] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: I just checked the bugs, those should be easy to fix
[14:33] <cjohnston> agreed
[14:36] <jono_> jcastro, hey
[14:36] <jono_> can you do me a favor?
[14:37] <jono_> jcastro, can you start the community roundtable stream for me?
[14:37] <jono_> jcastro, this is going to run a little close to the hour
[14:38] <jcastro> sure
[14:38] <jcastro> how do I do that?
[14:38] <jcastro> I have my session the next hour too, will me leaving and joining that break anything?
[14:38] <jono_> jcastro, oh damn
[14:38] <jono_> nm then
[14:38] <jono_> I will do it
[14:39] <jcastro> I'm firing up a laptop
[14:39] <jcastro> maybe I can double duty
[14:39] <dholbach> balloons, ping
[14:48] <jcastro> popey: how are you finding app.net?
[14:48] <popey> i am not really
[14:49] <popey> i log on to it about as often as I logon to diaspora
[14:49] <popey> which is when someone else mentions it
[14:52] <jono_> anyone want to join the community roundtable hangout?
[14:53] <philipballew> jono_, I do
[14:53] <cjohnston> jono_: dont forget to tell people to eat their fruit!
[14:53] <philipballew> I think i marked myself as essential. If there is room for me, feel free to add me in.
[14:56] <JoseeAntonioR> remember thar marking as essential in LP won't make your participation 'required' on summit
[14:57] <cjohnston> what JoseeAntonioR said
[14:58] <jono_> anyone else want to join?
[14:58] <jono_> jcastro, I got it covered
[14:58] <jcastro> k
[14:59] <jcastro> figuring out ours now
[14:59] <jcastro> that's not so bad, it'll be smoother the next hour
[15:01] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: I can join too
[15:06] <czajkowski> ah the who mute your mic if you're going to mash the keyboards
[15:08] <popey> czajkowski: probably want to tell the people doiung it rather than us
[15:09] <czajkowski> I did
[15:09] <czajkowski> was just commetning :) it's deja vu of the first few times on G+ hangouts with people. not a bad thing just people forget there are others watching in
[15:16] <AlanBell> way more people joining the etherpad group than ever before
[15:17] <daker> AlanBell: 47sec to load summit http://i.imgur.com/SnRUXLr.png
[15:17] <AlanBell> these are people who have no prior involvement in the project
[15:17] <AlanBell> daker: the power of juju?
[15:17] <daker> AlanBell: i don't know ask cjohnston
[15:18] <cjohnston> no juju
[15:18] <daker> no cry
[15:21] <Pici> heh
[15:25] <vibhav> dpm: I wanted to add a tutorial on developer.ubuntu.com
[15:28] <cjohnston> jono_: neither of the community sessions at 1600 have required participants
[15:28] <vibhav> dpm: On application notifications
[15:36] <popey> AlanBell: do you need people to to help with ~ubuntu-etherpad approvals?
[15:37] <czajkowski> we;ve moderated a ton ther popey
[15:37] <AlanBell> popey: I think it is OK, I just see them, czajkowski and Michelle are on the case with approving them
[15:37] <AlanBell> I was just observing that it is more than prior UDS events
[15:37] <popey> ok, just wondered
[15:37] <popey> and saw people in other places say they'd applied and were waiting, just offerring help
[15:37] <popey> but you have it in hand, so nvm
[15:37] <AlanBell> these are people who are not in any loco team
[15:38] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[15:38] <czajkowski> do wish we advertise it before UDS each time I've said this
[15:38] <AlanBell> no pendings
[15:38] <czajkowski> and it causes people issues we could resolve before the actual event
[15:39] <AlanBell> well we want to not do it at all :(
[15:39] <AlanBell> well I want to not do it at all
[15:39] <czajkowski> heh
[15:39] <czajkowski> I get why we do it , I just find it slightly annoying we don't tell people before the event
[15:40] <AlanBell> it has historically just been a handful of people as you have to try really quite hard to have any interest in the Ubuntu project and not be in a launchpad team that is already a member
[15:40] <AlanBell> 20069 nested members of the team
[15:41] <AlanBell> so these are people who have never joined a loco team, or pretty much any ubuntu team with a launchpad mailing list
[15:41] <AlanBell> but today we are getting a heap of people following UDS who have no existing interest in Ubuntu
[15:42] <AlanBell> or they are people like the forums folk who tend to have zero karma and nothing but a profile for years, but are involved off-launchpad
[15:43] <AlanBell> these people have of course not followed any other UDS in the last several years (or logged on to a pad in that time)
 These walks from room to room are exhausting ...
[15:49] <jcastro> hahaha
[15:54] <vibhav> jcastro: heh
[16:25] <jcastro> cjohnston: how do I do the plenaries, I can just invite the individuals into the G+ session right?
[16:25] <cjohnston> ya
[16:25] <jcastro> ok
[16:25] <jcastro> so I just start a hangout
[16:25] <jcastro> and then add it to the session in "Edit Hangout Details" right?
[16:26] <cjohnston> yup
[16:26] <jcastro> ok so basically, I figure up the hangout, invite everyone, put URL in summit
[16:26] <jcastro> I ask because I don't have BP for the plenaries
[16:26] <jcastro> so just wanted to make sure that was ok
[16:26] <cjohnston> yup.. the blueprint is irrelevant.. we dont need them anymore
[16:27] <jcastro> oh ok
[16:27] <jcastro> thanks, that was my confusion
[16:27] <jcastro> <3
[16:27] <jcastro> I'm going to start mine like 10 min early
[16:31] <AlanBell> popey: made you an admin too, I think there will be a constant stream of them, not just an initial rush
[16:31] <popey> k
[16:31] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: get me the youtube link once you create it, I'll embed it at uonair.com
[16:33]  * bkerensa has not been able to get the scheduler to work
[16:34] <daker> bkerensa: what's the problem ?
[16:36] <bkerensa> daker: when I got to the schedule I get "This page encountered an error, don't worry - we have been notified. Please accept our apologies."
[16:36] <daker> bkerensa: ah i think cjohnston will get that notification
[16:36] <bkerensa> k
[16:36] <daker> or mhall119|afk
[16:37] <cjohnston> bkerensa: whats your ip address
[16:38] <nigelb> AlanBell: should just write a script to approve everyone every 5 minutes
[16:38] <bkerensa> dholbach: thanks for subscribing me for the GSoC... Trying to get marked in there
[16:39] <dholbach> balloons, could "Quality Community Growth" theoretically move to 18:15 today as opposed to 14:00 - I'm asking for lfaraone
[16:39] <dholbach> lfaraone, AFAIK the other session (IRC team) was specifically asked to be on wednesday by AlanBell - but I remember it wrong
[16:41] <SergioMeneses> Im back
[16:42] <pleia2> gah etherpad
[16:42] <czajkowski> oh a pleia2
[16:42] <czajkowski> morning
[16:42] <pleia2> (also had someone on one of my projects re-label all branches of a thing in our RCS last night, I woke up to like 200 emails)
[16:43] <pleia2> etherpad, RCS notifications, gosh :)
[16:43] <pleia2> good morning
[16:43] <czajkowski> it's only good as you're here pleia2
[16:43] <czajkowski> you're my sanity check :)
[16:43]  * pleia2 hugs czajkowski
[16:50] <AlanBell> dholbach: lfaraone: yeah, IRC team can't be today because I am hard at work on a client site (as you can tell)
[16:51] <dholbach> AlanBell, gotcha
[16:51] <bkerensa> lfaraone: Hi
[16:51] <dholbach> balloons, did you see the question above?
[16:51] <lfaraone> bkerensa: ciao ciao
[16:53] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: http://youtu.be/qA0MKJQ6Bic
[16:53] <jcastro> is the broadcast URL
[16:53] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, great
[16:55] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: ubuntuonair.com is updated now
[16:57] <balloons> dholbach, ohh.. my chat is light up like a switchboard
[16:57] <balloons> lol
[16:58] <dholbach> balloons, could "Quality Community Growth" theoretically move to 18:15 today as opposed to 14:00 tomorrow? I'm asking for lfaraone
[16:58] <czajkowski> or one might say a bright balloon :)
[16:58] <balloons> mmm..  would like to be in the sessions at that time :-(
[16:59] <dholbach> balloons, hm?
[16:59] <dholbach> ah you have another session at the time?
[16:59] <dholbach> lfaraone, ^
[16:59] <dholbach> bkerensa, ^
[17:00] <balloons> dholbach, yes.. let's see what we can do.. they want the slot at 1400 tomorrow?
[17:00] <balloons> ohh.. things are quite full
[17:00] <dholbach> yes
[17:00] <bkerensa> dholbach: you want to move our slot?
[17:00] <dholbach> either we swap the two as today doesn't work
[17:00] <dholbach> or they have to talk to other track leads
[17:01] <dholbach> bkerensa, today 18:15 is the only open community slot
[17:01] <dholbach> bkerensa, lfaraone said he'd like to do it tomorrow 14:00
[17:01] <bkerensa> oh dear
[17:01] <bkerensa> :)
[17:01] <bkerensa> thats pretty early
[17:01] <lfaraone> bkerensa: unfortunately I have class from 7p-10p Eastern, and a formal dinner from 6:30pm-8pm Eastern today.
[17:02] <lfaraone> so already quite booked :)
[17:02] <bkerensa> lfaraone: well I can try and make it thats about 6am my time so I would need to wake at 5am :)
[17:02] <lfaraone> oh, erk.
[17:02] <bkerensa> lfaraone: if not I can review the video later
[17:02] <lfaraone> bkerensa: we could just have an extra-UDS meeting
[17:02] <bkerensa> indeed
[17:03] <bkerensa> I don't think its neccesary to do it at UDS since the scope of our project has much less participation so far
[17:03] <bkerensa> lfaraone: maybe we can just schedule it for #ubuntu-meeting and announce it on planet?
[17:04] <lfaraone> bkerensa: sgtm
[17:05] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: ubuntuonair.com has got a bigger video size
[17:06] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: question, who will be starting the uonair session hangout?
[17:07] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, I will
[17:07] <cjohnston> jono_: wave at Robbie!
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> ok
[17:08] <cjohnston> just sayin
[17:12] <dholbach> lfaraone, bkerensa: tomorrow 18:15-19:00 just freed up
[17:13] <bkerensa> dholbach: That is totally kosher for me
[17:13] <bkerensa> :D
[17:14] <bkerensa> but if not me, lfaraone and dylan + u can sync up at another time... I figure we will have a few more meetings
[17:14] <bkerensa> Apps start on the 18th FYI
[17:15] <dholbach> bkerensa, lfaraone: please let me know which session you want to have
[17:22] <bhaismachine> I am trying to login to summit website. Right now I am getting error : The username (bhaismachine) with which you tried to log in is already in use for a different account.  But bhaismachine IS my username on launchpad
[17:22] <bhaismachine> can someone help me ?
[17:22] <dholbach> cjohnston, ^?
[17:23] <cjohnston> bhaismachine: what is the email address you use to login to SSO
[17:23] <bhaismachine><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:25] <bhaismachine> cjohnston: Any suggestions ?
[17:26] <cjohnston> bhaismachine: give me some time please
[17:26] <bhaismachine> Sure, thanks !
[17:26] <popey> bhaismachine: cjohnston is one of the developers who looks after summit
[17:27] <bhaismachine> popey: Thanks for telling me about this IRC channel
[17:27] <popey> no problem bhaismachine
[17:46] <bhaismachine> cjohnston : Thanks for looking into it but unfortunately now I have to leave for college. If possible would you mind sending instructions to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? If not then I will drop by on this channel again. I would love to participate.
[17:46] <bhaismachine> Thanks!
[17:52] <lfaraone> bkerensa: dholbach: I can do that timeslot.
[17:53] <dholbach> lfaraone, ok, moving it there
[17:55] <dholbach> lfaraone, bkerensa: please double check the schedule and let me know
[18:01] <lfaraone> lgtm
[18:07] <dholbach> great
[20:06] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: hey, I'll make sure to watch the video later on and give you some feedback, I was expecting to go in there but got a clash
[20:13] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/323b397156f35d055833e35fc349120240b8332f
[20:13] <jcastro> random hangout post-UDS!
[20:22] <balloons> jcastro, on-air/off-air
[20:22] <balloons> ?
[20:24] <rrnwexec> jcastro: who's invited? ;)
[20:25] <rrnwexec> jcastro: and are you buying?
[20:25] <jcastro> everyone is invited
[20:27] <jcastro> jono_: hop in! ^
[20:35] <jono_> jcastro, is this on air?
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> can random people join?
[20:36] <cjohnston> no.. but you can
[20:36] <jcastro> jono_: I don't think so, slangasek was just hanging out
[21:09] <balloons> no funny cat pic :-(
[21:14] <dholbach> see you guys tomorrow
[21:15] <czajkowski> dholbach: nn
[21:15] <dholbach> :)
[23:39] <jcastro> hggdh: heya
[23:39] <jcastro> so I'm going to +1 that brandon guy for the unity bug reports for -bugcontrol
[23:39] <jcastro> unless you have a strenuous objection


[20:02] <tintou> Hi all
[21:10] <MargeBouvier> Hi, is there some problemes with the Launchpad Portal? I try to browse some code, and see all the time the error message :'(