[01:34] <webchat79> Is it possible to retrieve a published message in the Libera Chat IRC?
[01:45] <enigma9o7[m]> I'm not sure your request is understood.
[04:00] <shqipshqiphooray> hi, i know i should use ubuntu-next, but barely get a pulse, so please help a bro out here - i download the daily image ever since beta, and it doesn't get me to the installer, just the loader + ubuntu logo is displayed.
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> !next | shqipshqiphooray
[04:03] <shqipshqiphooray>  06:00:00
[04:03] <shqipshqiphooray> hi, i know i should use ubuntu-next, but barely get a pulse
[04:03] <shqipshqiphooray> aka no answer
[08:24] <ice9> terminator is very buddy and unstable, is there a better multiple terminals emulator?
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> works like a charm here ice9
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ice9: feel free to start your poll in #ubuntu-discuss
[09:19] <nwarrenfl> I want to reinstall Ubuntu, however my /home folder is on the root partition, would removing everything except /home from the partition be a good solution? (Then install to / without formatting)
[09:19] <nwarrenfl> @Danica
[09:19] <nwarrenfl> Had the same issue a few months ago and fixed the same way, just any custom shortcut with it and meta works by itself
[09:19] <nwarrenfl> Hi everyone :)
[09:20] <alkisg> nwarrenfl: sure, you can even run `mv * /srv/old-installation` so that you keep your old /etc and the rest for a while, in case you need something
[09:20] <alkisg> Just make sure that you select that you want to preserve /, and not format it
[09:21] <nwarrenfl> nice, that seems to be a way cleaner way to go
[09:21] <nwarrenfl> thanks a lot :)  wanted to be sure
[10:00] <pavlushka> how can I remove the extra characters from this mess, https://dpaste.com/2X8XEY55X
[10:00] <pavlushka> ?
[10:08] <alkisg> pavlushka: for f in *.mp3; do t=$(echo "$f" | tr -d ' '); echo mv "$f" "$t"; done
[10:08] <alkisg> I wrote it very quickly, so test it first, and if it echoes the correct commands, remove the "echo"
[10:09] <alkisg> Oh wait you don't want the .3 part, moment...
[10:09] <alkisg> for f in *.mp3; do t=$(echo "$f" | tr -d ' '); echo mv "$f" "${t%.3}"; done
[10:12] <alkisg> They don't end in .mp3, so, revisited:  for f in *; do t=$(echo "$f" | tr -d ' '); echo mv "$f" "${t%.3}"; done
[10:14] <pavlushka> alkisg tyvm, looking into it
[10:16] <pavlushka> alkisg: dry run worked, ty
[10:17] <alkisg> Great; remove the second echo, not the first one
[10:18] <pavlushka> alkisg: got it
[10:21] <pavlushka> alkisg: and done, tyvm
[10:21] <alkisg> 👍
[12:02] <XATRIX> Hi, any idea how to make my laptop to remember the level of a backlight ?
[12:03] <XATRIX> After i restart the system, my BL goes to MAX everytime
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> XATRIX: that usualy depends on your laptop brand, aka acpi related
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> !info xbacklight | XATRIX alternate you can try
[12:12] <XATRIX> ok. let me try
[12:12] <XATRIX> xbacklight is already the newest version (1.2.1-1build2).
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> XATRIX: it might help to share your dmesg too, so volunteers can checkout whats happening on your acpi lines
[12:14] <blb1671> hm, but which daemon controlls the backlight then? systemd?
[12:16] <XATRIX> blb1671: i'm interresting as well
[12:16] <XATRIX> lotuspsychje: sure, this is my dmesg https://termbin.com/tjmx
[12:17] <mostafa> Hello How split zip archive to multiple zip files
[12:17] <mostafa> i know that we can use -s but it not worked ..i using -->   zip -s 5m myfile.zip ..but it get me error -->"zip warning: cannot update a split archive (use --out option)"
[12:17] <blb1671> mostafa: split
[12:18] <mostafa> blb1671: what?
[12:18] <blb1671> split --help
[12:18] <mostafa> blb1671: aha...thanks
[12:20] <mostafa> my zip command dont have any -s command..that wired.
[12:23] <blb1671> The systemd package includes the service<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is enabled by default and "static". It saves the backlight brightness level at shutdown and restores it at boot
[12:26] <miku39arch> hi
[12:26] <miku39arch> hello
[12:42] <dirtcastle> my speaker works on gnome but not in xorg. any idea why? how to control volume through terminal or smtg
[12:44] <dirtcastle> ok. pavu control fixed it. thanks
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:07] <xheimlich> every time I boot into my computer and, later, try to open or save a file from a gui program for the first time, I get a pop-up like "the log-in keyring was not something something at startup" and I have to type in my password.
[13:08] <xheimlich> Is there any way of disabling that from the command line? (I don't use gnome and the gnome configuration apps work poorly in spectrwm)
[13:12] <Jeremy31> xheimlich: If you login it at boot time, that should be fixed
[13:43] <tobiasBora> Hello, I'm fixing a computer that has one CPU dead. Recent ubuntu does boot (giving a warning "smpboot: do_boot_cpu failed(-1) to wakeup"), but they lack NVIDIA drivers for this card, so I was using until now Ubuntu 14.04 using a special flag to make it boot despite the broken CPU. Unfortunately, after a grub reinstall, I lost this flag and I can't
[13:43] <tobiasBora> remember its name. Any idea?
[13:44] <alkisg> nosmp? maxcpus=0?
[13:45] <alkisg> You should also be able to find it in the logs of previous boots, under /var/log/
[13:48] <tobiasBora> alkisg: nosmp, preciesly, thanks a lot!
[13:49] <tobiasBora> I also just found the log of the discussion https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/10/04/%23ubuntu.txt
[13:49] <tobiasBora> Thanks!
[13:49] <tobiasBora> The logs were a cool idea also, did not thought about it
[14:45] <leftyfb> tobikoch: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[14:46] <ravage> is it a survey? i would like to participate
[14:47] <leftyfb> sorry, they left
[14:47] <leftyfb> wrong person
[16:03] <llanhmod> Is Visual Studio available on Ubuntu?
[16:04] <oerheks> yas, as snap
[16:04] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/code
[16:04] <llanhmod> oerheks: hey... isn't that vs code though?
[16:05] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/code-insiders
[16:05] <oerheks> yes?
[16:05] <llanhmod> hm... I have insiders already... I wanted to get VisualStudio
[16:06] <llanhmod> I mean, I can do my work without it..and I really don't want it...it's more of a need for training. But I'll do without.
[16:07] <oerheks> the IDE is only on windows, there is .Net though https://snapcraft.io/dotnet-sdk
[16:15] <llanhmod> oerheks: yeah, I have that already also.... As I said I can do my work using dotnet-sdk. Just thought maybe I was missing something while looking for an Ubuntu friendly VS2019 at least.
[16:16] <llanhmod> thankfully, I dual-boot with Win32, but I rather work from Ubuntu.
[16:20] <oerheks> there is wine/playonlinux, and bottles to run windows software on linux
[17:00] <dave_> is there a way to fix ppa?
[17:01] <oerheks> dave_, fix what exactly?
[17:01] <oerheks> For what ubuntu version and what ppa?
[17:02] <dave_> im  using kubuntu 21.04 and my discover cant download any apps anymore
[17:02] <oerheks> oh, 21.04 is EOL, dead, please upgrade
[17:02] <dave_> i just get errors and i cant figure out how to fix the ppas
[17:02] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[17:02] <dave_> i fear i might have to reinstall kubutu
[17:02] <dave_> kubuntu
[17:03] <oerheks> the last url of ubottu shows howto upgrade to 21.10
[17:03] <oerheks> no need to reinstall, i guess
[17:03] <enigma9o7[m]> Dave, you can get thru it.  I suggest disable all ppas manually (sudo apt edit-sources and comment them, remove everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d) then run apt update and upgrade.
[17:03] <enigma9o7[m]> Then upgrade to impish.
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> and check !usn :p
[17:04] <ravage> but a reinstall always feels nice too. just make sure you have a backup. and maybe wait a week until 22.04 comes out. or try the pre-release.
[17:05] <dave_> will that solve all the errors i get when i open my discover?
[17:05] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah if you're going to install clean, wait the four days for 22.04 release.  Or start with prerelease like ravage says.
[17:05] <ravage> a reinstall for sure.
[17:05] <enigma9o7[m]> Yes Dave, if you get it working with APT, then discover will work.
[17:06] <ravage> the upgrade will disable your PPas
[17:06] <enigma9o7[m]> But if you get any errors doing it with apt, paste the output here and we can help you get thru it.
[17:06] <oerheks> maybe your ppa has no installation candidate for21.10, we cannot tell without proper info
[17:06] <oerheks> grinn
[17:06] <jhutchins> ravage: The upgrade process disables ppas, so the user doesn't have to follow the instructions and disable them himself?
[17:07] <ravage> thats exactly what i did write?
[17:07] <oerheks> jhutchins, +1, it will be disabled the normal route
[17:07] <dave_> well it always says something to the effect of "hippo is not available yet" something like that
[17:07] <oerheks> enigma9o7[m] proposed disabling ppa's
[17:08] <oerheks> just follow the url, and you are fine
[17:08] <ravage> a fun easter project either way
[17:08] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah I was suggesting trying to fix it before upgrade, but if the upgrade method includes disabling ppas, it should probably work too.
[17:09] <dave_> ok ill try that, thank you
[17:09] <ravage> good luck dave_ :)
[17:09] <ravage> (do a backup first. no matter what you do)
[17:10] <oerheks> if you have no backup already, data is unimportant
[17:10] <dave_> just wanted to say, i love linux and how easy it is to get help, i just dont understand why anyone would want to deal with the headache of anything else, thank you
[17:12] <kryten> oerheks: The 21.04 repos aren't put away to old-releases yet btw, so a normal upgrade will still work.
[17:12] <llanhmod> Windows is necessary, Linux is prefered, macOS is Fun
[17:12] <ravage> lets not start that discussion for the 1000th time :)
[17:13] <llanhmod> lol, no worries... I just wanted to type something while I'm in training.
[17:13] <llanhmod> ravage: you on LTS?
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> !chat | llanhmod
[17:14] <llanhmod> lotuspsychje: !okay
[17:14] <ravage> see lotuspsychje. and kind of...
[17:14] <llanhmod> lotuspsychje couldn't *wait* to shoot that out...heh
[17:15] <jhutchins> \
[17:46] <fn31ln3> For the dns server to work on the vpn clients is this still required on ubuntu 20 https://termbin.com/brbw or is there anything else I could do?
[17:48] <jhutchins> fn31ln3: What tool are you using to set up the connection?
[17:49] <fn31ln3> jhutchins, openvpn and bind
[17:50] <rob0> I don't see BIND/named in that, only systemd-resolved
[17:52] <fn31ln3> rob0, this needs to be put in the client config for the vpn
[17:52] <rob0> the way I set up DNS in VPNs, dnsmasq: http://rob0.nodns4.us/dnsmasq.html
[17:52] <croran_44[m]> I have a failing hard drive. Is there a way for me to read its file system and save that and then mount it so I can browse through the file metadata while the drive is offline?
[17:52] <fn31ln3> rob0, I have to use bind
[17:53] <ravage> croran_44[m], i would do a 1:1 copy of the drive with ddrescue and try to recover stuff from that image
[17:54] <ravage> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[17:54] <rob0> fn31ln3: same principle can apply, if internal/VPN zones are set up.  Names can resolve whether or not the VPN is connected, and no need to mess with the system resolver settings.
[17:55] <croran_44[m]> ravage: the more i copy the more sectors are being marked bad and data lost.
[17:55] <fn31ln3> rob0 I would like all the clients of the vpn to use a specific dns
[17:55] <ravage> croran_44[m], bad sectors will stay bad. there is no tool to help you with that
[17:55] <croran_44[m]> ravage: point is to copy as little as possible and disable TLER and then come back later and copy just the files i didn't have current backups of
[17:56] <jhutchins> croran_44[m]: That's how drives fail.
[17:56] <croran_44[m]> ravage: sure, but new sectors can be marked bad while the thing is malfunctioning. I'm trying to avoid that as much as possible.
[17:56] <jhutchins> croran_44[m]: They're not unreadable because they're marked bad, they're marked bad because they're unreadable.
[17:57] <croran_44[m]> jhutchins: they're unreadable because the drive happens to be malfunctioning at the time it's attempting to read them. put the drive in a freezer and come back later and potentially they're readable
[17:57] <croran_44[m]> jhutchins: unless they get marked bad then you're just out of luck
[17:58] <ravage> if the drive physically destroys data by just spinning there is not much hope anyway
[17:58] <jhutchins> croran_44[m]: The freezer trick isn't for bad sectors, it's for stuck heads.
[17:58] <croran_44[m]> so no one knows how i can copy my drive metadata/file tables and mount that information as a drive?
[18:00] <croran_44[m]> you guys are dumb. if there was not possibility of reading the data on an intermittently failing drive, then TLER wouldn't ever matter. it would just be set to timeout immediately.
[18:00] <ravage> insulting people is always a good idea. good luck
[18:00] <croran_44[m]> ravage: better to insult than confidently give wrong information
[18:46] <Guest5> My VPN link has a NOARP configuration and does not respond to ARP from my router but my network(+internet) works fine. Now, if I set that to my wi-fi interface, my network won't work. What is the catch here with the VPN link?
[18:50] <jhutchins> croran_44[m]: You seem to already know everything, why are you asking us?
[18:51] <jhutchins> Guest5: It is not clear what "doesn't work", or what that means.
[18:51] <oerheks> jhutchins, failing drive but still looking s.m.a.r.t.
[18:52] <oerheks> noarp is a mean tool, not sure how to reset such
[18:52] <Guest5> jhutchins Well, with NOARP in the VPN it works fine. But when I disconnect VPN and set NOARP to my wlan0 link, the network doesn't work
[18:52] <rob0> Generally (but not always) a VPN is layer 3; ARP is layer 2.  Not sure what your concern with ARP is.
[18:52] <rob0> wlan0 is a layer 2 interface, of course it needs ARP
[18:52] <Guest5> rob0 I don't get why NOARP works fine with my VPN, ignoring my router ARP requests
[18:53] <rob0> tun0 is a layer 3 interface
[18:54] <mjlapa> oi
[18:54] <Guest5> so ARP kinda of works different in each layer?
[18:54] <mjlapa> alguem ae de americana sp ou região
[18:54] <rob0> ARP is a layer 2 thing, there is no ARP at layer 3.
[18:54] <mjlapa> brasil?
[18:55] <rob0> (or more precise to say, it was already done at layer 2)
[18:55] <oerheks> !pt
[18:55] <Guest5> rob0 if it was already done, why it stops working when I drop tun0 and set NOARP to wlan0?
[18:55] <Guest5> That is what I don't get
[18:55] <rob0> Guest5: this is XY.  What are you needing to do?
[18:56] <rob0> Again, a wlan0 interface will not work without ARP.
[18:56] <Guest5> Just studying networking and playing with wireshark
[18:56] <Guest5> wireshark is showing all those arp requests ignored
[18:57] <rob0> I'm not sure what would send ARP requests on a tun interface.
[18:58] <Guest5> hmmm I didn't know that detail
[18:59] <Guest5> My question should have being "what exactly is NOARP flag?"
[19:00] <rob0> in wireshark?  Did you check the documentation?  I guess it means "don't look for ARP packets".
[19:03] <Guest5> Yeah, I saw it now in a ifconfig and ip documentation. I assumed it would simply keep using the arp cache
[19:03] <Guest5> thanks rob0
[19:04] <rob0> unleaarn ifconfig while you are at it
[19:05] <Guest5> Lol will do. i guess the man ip needs more words then
[19:06] <rob0> it has supplementary manuals for the subcommands.
[19:19] <pgray> anyone know which project/tool ubuntu server uses to pull ssh keys from github on installation?
[19:20] <pgray> just a simple GET in the install script?
[19:22] <neb> hello - I'm trying to install ubuntu server 20.04.4 via pxe. It almost works, but keeps dropping into the CloudInit stuff and just sitting there
[19:22] <neb> i don't need fancy autoinstall automation... just need to install one machine
[19:22] <neb> wondering if regular installer can be used via PXE?
[19:25] <jhutchins> pgray: I think that's whatever's built in to git.
[19:26] <jhutchins> pgray: That or you do it manually.
[19:28] <ioxzev1z> When will 22.04 release?
[19:28] <jhutchins> The stable version of Ubuntu 22.04 is scheduled to be released on April 21, 2022.
[19:28] <ioxzev1z> Thanks
[19:28] <pgray> not quite. If you try installing a newish version of ubuntu server, there's a screen when you can tell it to pull your ssh keys from github. It seems like it's only that one time during the install script and I was wondering where the ubuntu server install script/tool codebase is.
[19:30] <pgray> it's just doing the equivalent of `curl -Ss https://github.com/$user.keys > /home/$user/.ssh/authorized_keys` iiuc
[19:30] <pgray> or rather, if i'm guessing correctly :)
[19:30] <jhutchins> pgray: I believe you have access to the code, you could look at it.
[19:31] <pgray> i'm just not sure where that repo lives on the internet :(
[19:31] <jhutchins> pgray: What are you using as an installer?
[19:32] <pgray> hrm maybe it's this: https://github.com/canonical/subiquity
[19:33] <pgray> ah cool, think i found it: https://github.com/canonical/subiquity/blob/0f987ee6bae2848796b9ac46165c8a50b414b677/subiquity/ui/views/ssh.py#L156
[19:33] <pgray> thanks!
[19:35] <geosmileus> I've always used apt for everything. It seems these days I'm seeing more and more things move to snap. Are people starting to use snap installations in production?
[19:43] <jhutchins> geosmileus: There's a lot of debate about that.  RedHat, a trend-setter by virtue of their large paid presence in the industry, has turned to flatpak, which is similar to snap.
[19:44] <jhutchins> geosmileus: As I understand it, snap is sort of a hybrid of containers.  It installs the application and all of it's dependencies independently from the host OS.
[19:45] <jhutchins> This is a little like what some Java/Tomcat apps do, creating an independent environment for execution.
[19:46] <jhutchins> It does allow a developer team to build a single version of it's application and to ensure that all of the dependencies are present and are at the required version.
[19:47] <jhutchins> In part this is a response to cutting edge development that outstrips the release cycle of major distributions; having a specific version of PHP or ruby or whatever instead of the distribution default.
[19:47] <jhutchins> geosmileus: I could be completely wrong about any or all of this.
[19:48] <jhutchins> geosmileus: My personal opinion is that snaps, like containers, are great for development, but invite serious problems for production.
[20:00] <oerheks> snap is still in development, https://snapcraft.io/blog/experimental-feature-snap-refresh-awareness-and-update-inhibition
[20:00] <oerheks> but it is going strong
[20:27] <ogra> geosmileus, snaps have been used in producion since early 2015 in IoT/embedded/industrial/digital-signage/robotics and on servers ... admittedly the desktop integration parts took a little longer and not everyhing is 100% there yet as oerheks said
[20:29] <ogra> jhutchins, flatpak isnt even remotely similar to snap 🙂 its just a desktop app delivery mechanism, not a full package format (and has about 10% the features snap provides) ...
[20:31] <geosmileus> jhutchins, oerheks ogra thanks!
[20:34] <jhutchins> ogra: Ok.
[20:35] <jhutchins> ogra: Man, that seems really redundant to install an embedded OS and then run a snap instance inside it.
[20:35] <jhutchins> snaps seem like they'd be more for agility.
[20:41] <ogra> jhutchins, snaps have been designed as the base of UbuntuCore ... which is completely built out of snap packages, kernel, bootloader, rootfs are all snap packages ... then you just add your snapped apps on top ... due to teir design (being GPG signed squashfs files) each snap gets GPG verified on boot
[20:42] <ogra> ... they have builtin rool-back ... so when your kernel oopses after an upgrade the system goes automatically back to the former one ... the same is true for the rootfs and for every app ...
[20:42] <jhutchins> That sounds horrible, and contrary to all of the best practices I've learned about OS integration.
[20:42] <jhutchins> Sounds a lot like Solaris, in fact.
[20:43] <ogra> they have a builtin backup mechanism for all app data ... snapd has a REST API that you can hook up into your fleet management to manage your 300000 IoT gateways easily with a single click
[20:44] <ogra> etc etc etc ... there are tons of features developed hand in had with industrial partners for most reliability and security you can achieve
[20:45]  * ogra stops sounding like a snap advertisement now 🙂
[20:46] <oerheks> as developer i would love to guarantee updates.
[21:00] <emanuel> buenas a todos. Acabo de instalar ubuntu y necesito a alguna alma caritativa que me eche un cable
[21:04] <ogra> !es | emanuel
[21:52] <let-chaos[m]> so, I installed the 2204 version a few weeks ago
[21:52] <let-chaos[m]> live patch is not enabled yet, right?
[21:53] <ravage> !next | let-chaos[m] right. and:
[21:53] <jhutchins> The stable version of Ubuntu 22.04 is scheduled to be released on April 21, 2022.
[21:54] <jhutchins> That's this Friday.  Hope y'all are studying up to support it.
[21:55] <let-chaos[m]> and the second one, I had like 100 upgrades but there was a process blocking the lock file. I killed the process and it seems like I touched the repo db since there was no updates available afterwards
[21:55] <let-chaos[m]> i'll ask on the proper channel.
[21:56] <jhutchins> Seems like figuring out why it's locked might be a good step before arbitrarily killing it.
[21:58] <let-chaos[m]> it was the unnatended upgrades process jajaja I though I wasn't that bad to kill it
[21:59] <let-chaos[m]> anyways, once the official release is deployed will my system update to it automatically or should I do a clean install?
[22:00] <Bashing-om> let-chaos[m]: Keep updated and you will be on the final relase :D
[22:01] <let-chaos[m]> Bashing-om: great! I'd like to keep the image.
[22:04] <ogra> be aware that there might be bugs causing defaults that will not be fixed during an upgrade (i.e. currently GDM will default to Xorg for everyone due to a bug ... by final release the default will be wayland)
[22:06] <ravage> "default to" is a nice way of saying there is no wayland option atm :D
[22:07] <ogra> well, yeah, and your user cinfig will default to Xorg ... while you will be switched to wayland by doing 20.04->22.04 you will not be switched when just updating the gdm package ... broken pre-release defaults are often not fixed and you need to tak care for that yourself
[22:07] <ogra> s/cinfig/config/
[22:08] <ogra> so while it is true that you get the same package set when installing a beta and upgrade, you might not necessarily get the same configs the actual release has ...
[22:10] <let-chaos[m]> it won't be an option to select the desktop manager on the splash screen?
[22:11] <let-chaos[m]> let me take note on that
[22:12] <ogra> it will be ... but the default will differ (because currently the option to choose is not there)
[22:17] <Bashing-om> let-chaos[m]: There is a hack that enables Wayland - but we do not know what the final outcome will be yet.
[22:19] <let-chaos[m]> Bashing-om: I guess we'll find out next friday jaja
[22:20] <let-chaos[m]> i'll keep an eye on this channel
[22:21] <Jeremy31> Have to remove the /lib/udev/rules.d/61 gdm file
[22:23] <Jeremy31> according to bug report  /lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules
[23:05] <cheche>  /join #ubuntu-es
[23:26] <valentin> Доброй ночи. Кто может помочь в настройке wine для старой игры?
[23:49] <cheche> !ru | valentin