[19:32] <mbeierl> yeats: no, it was an ssh key that was put in place by something that allowed the first bot to be installed.  I don't get how on earth an external key could have gotten onto my system
[19:32] <ThinkT510> Tiktalik: ps aux
[19:32] <urlin2u> muffette2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:33] <ianm_> can Wubi use a local ISO file?
[19:34] <urlin2u> ianm_, for what to install?
[19:34] <ianm_> yeah I'm going to someone's house to install ubuntu
[19:34] <redboat> Can someone help with this problem the error occurs when i issue the make command I am trying to install the drivers for the FTDI FT232RL chip...  fatal error: /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic-pae/build/include/linux/modversions.h
[19:35] <urlin2u> ianm_, burn a cd
[19:35] <muffette2> urlin2u:  and which syntax would you like I select?
[19:35] <ThinkT510> ianm_: showcase it in a vm rather than a wubi install
[19:36] <yvemath> Heya folks, i am having this problem while installing ubuntu natty from a .iso which is stored in a harddisk partition - There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM, i am using vmlinuz and initrd.gz of a hd-media
[19:36] <urlin2u> muffett2, you paste the whole resutls text to the pastebin the post the url.
[19:36] <zulax> just installed server 10.04 and ifconfig only shows loopback
[19:36] <urlin2u> then
[19:36] <Jordan_U> yvemath: Are you using grub2 to try to loop boot the iso?
[19:36] <zulax> eventhoughg the ethernet is hooked up
[19:36] <yvemath> No Jordan, it is grub4dos ..
[19:37] <yvemath> or probably EasyBCD.
[19:37] <thunsucker> yvemath, why not boot it from usb?
[19:37] <yeats> zulax: does 'lscpi | grep -i net' show your card?
[19:37] <yvemath> thunsucker: because i dont know how to make the system boot the usb.
[19:37] <zulax> yeats yes, ehternet controller broadcom....
[19:37] <thunsucker> yvemath, what brand desktop or laptop?
[19:37] <yeats> zulax: ah broadcom
[19:37] <muffette2> wow ok, there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686090/
[19:38] <zulax> sudo service networking start doesnt help either
[19:38] <yvemath> thunsucker: intex
[19:38] <nyuszika7h> !+spam
 Please don't spam
[19:38] <thunsucker> yvemath, so it's an off brand and older than dirt?
[19:39] <zulax> does brodcom have problem on ubuntu server?
[19:39] <yvemath> thunsucker: not really too old. bought this year.
[19:39] <rDx3> glebihan: so the start is working
[19:39] <thunsucker> yvemath, when you turn it on there will be a prompt that says press " " for boot menu
[19:39] <zulax> i did eth0 up but it has no ip
[19:39] <thunsucker> yvemath, if it doesn't go into the bios and put the usb device as the first boot option
[19:40] <muffette2> btw in grub it says me I can boot on a Windows Vista I removed many years ago, and although a lot of format, it's still here :p
[19:40] <PsyFreeStyle> lol
[19:40] <PsyFreeStyle> hey
[19:40] <yvemath> thunsucker: lemme check in the bios...
[19:40] <muffette2> hi
[19:41] <thunsucker> yvemath, make sure the usb stick is plugged in, some bios won't show the option unless it's already plugged in
[19:41] <yvemath> thunsucker: how should i prepare the usb, though ?
[19:41] <thunsucker> yvemath, look into unetbootin
[19:41] <yvemath> thunsucker: i have used the unetbootin utility earlier
[19:41] <thunsucker> yvemath, runs on ubuntu and windows, great tool
[19:41] <Jordan_U> muffette2: Are you booted into your installed Ubuntu system right now?
[19:41] <muffette2> no i'm on the live cd
[19:43] <rDx3> glebihan: so the good news is that the startup script is called...
[19:43] <muffette2> if there's a way to delete line 367 to 374 I take :p
[19:43] <rDx3> glebihan: but the thin app still not working
[19:44] <muffette2> and the previous linux versions as well :/ I guess my grub is really dirty :/
[19:44] <glebihan> rDx3, is it an app you downloaded or something your wrote yourself ?
[19:44] <Jordan_U> muffette2: If you congigure grub-pc to install to both sda and sdb your problems should go away. Unfortunately I can't walk you through doing that as I need to leave now.
[19:44] <rDx3> no it's locomotive app…it's a little cms, working perfectly in terminal mode
[19:45] <muffette2> erf :(
[19:45] <futurum> hello, can someone help, I cant compile gnome shell because caribou does not want to compile
[19:45] <rDx3> glebihan: I mean…if I run thin start in terminal then the web app works
[19:46] <rDx3> glebihan: I followed simple instruction… the script is generated automatically…I didn't messed that but adding now the touch command
[19:46] <muffette2> http://www.kkoncepts.net/node/198 ?
[19:46] <glebihan> rDx3, then the best thing to do is probably to report the bug to the developers
[19:47] <rDx3> glebihan: do not think is a bug of the app...
[19:47] <muffette2> they, is there someone else to help me concerning grub plz? :'(
[19:47] <pajaazdaja78> hii peaples
[19:48] <Milossh> hello
[19:48] <Milossh> how can I connect to my ubuntu box(desktop), with laptop, over internet
[19:48] <zulax> restarting ubuntu 10.04 and ifconfig only gives lo
[19:48] <pajaazdaja78> hello Milos!
[19:48] <zulax> evenif ethernet is plugged in
[19:48] <zulax> has broadcom drivers
[19:49] <Milossh> hello Slave ;)
[19:49] <pajaazdaja78> Milos from where you are?
[19:49] <Milossh> Serbia
[19:49] <DaVampsWin> Milossh : you can use VNC, or TeamViewer for remote controling
[19:50] <yeats> zulax: try 'dmesg | grep -i eth' and see what it tells you
[19:50] <Milossh> DaVampsWin, I need only command line
[19:50] <glebihan> rDx3, well I don't really have an idea of what it could be if  it's not a bug in the app, and the project's team may be able to help you solve your issue if it's not a bug
[19:50] <nyuszika7h> !help | muffette2
[19:50] <rDx3> glebihan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686096/
[19:50] <rDx3> glebihan: please take a look
[19:50] <DaVampsWin> Milossh : i would suggest (having done this on a server) tryin to use an OpenSSH
[19:51] <pajaazdaja78> what is http://paste.ubuntu.com/686096/
[19:51] <rDx3> pajaazdaja78: startup script thin
[19:51] <DaVampsWin> Milossh : make sure to open any ports in you firewall and/or router so you can connect
[19:51] <zulax> ifconfig -a shows eth0 also, but no ip
[19:52] <muffette2> I installed ubuntu 11.04 but I can't boot anymore because grub goes insane. Have this error: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677888 and here is my boot script result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686090/
[19:52] <pajaazdaja78> explore me please is this helpfull
[19:52] <muffette2> The solution in the natty post doesn't work
[19:52] <glebihan> rDx3, is the path to DAEMON something you manually set somehow or is it this value by default ?
[19:52] <zulax> service networking start has no effect also :(
[19:53] <rDx3> glebihan: it is created by the thin config
[19:53] <rDx3> glebihan: not manual…should I change thant?
[19:53] <bambanx> hello
[19:53] <Pici> zulax: Can you please ask your question on one line? I have no idea what you're asking.
[19:53] <pajaazdaja78> can anyone expllane me what with clone yilla
[19:54] <zulax> pici i dont get ethernet connection on my server
[19:54] <glebihan> rDx3, well I'm really not sure, that path looks weird... and might be on a partition that's not even mounted when the script is run (which would explain why it doesn't work)
[19:54] <redboat> Can someone help with this problem the error occurs when i issue the make command I am trying to install the drivers for the FTDI FT232RL chip...  fatal error: /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic-pae/build/include/linux/modversions.h
[19:54] <rDx3> glebihan: I think it's the ruby version manager gem set. The path exists
[19:55] <yeats> zulax: did you try dmesg as I suggested?
[19:55] <pajaazdaja78> i m tested this boot rescue cd for back up,but is little stupied-file per file :(
[19:55] <zulax> yeats i did lspci and it shows broadcom
[19:55] <rDx3> glebihan: does the /usr/local/ is something protected dir for daemons?
[19:56] <glebihan> rDx3, no
[19:56] <zulax> dmesg | grep net show eth0 PHY is 5750....
[19:56] <pajaazdaja78> cao
[19:56] <pajaazdaja78> off
[19:56] <glebihan> rDx3, could you try replacing the "touch  /home/lostartfunziona.txt" line by "file $DAEMON > /home/lostartfunziona.txt"
[19:57] <rDx3> glebihan: ok
[19:57] <jcmarini> any support for itunes in Ubuntu 10.04 lucid linx
[19:58] <yeats> !itunes | jcmarini
[19:58] <yeats> jcmarini: you might try running it in wine, too
[20:00] <jcmarini>  ubottu i am trying to configure the ipod to load my music any ideas
[20:00] <jcmarini> but you are
[20:01] <jcmarini> any how to on configure ipod to load my music in lucid lynx
[20:02] <yeats> !ipod | jcmarini
[20:02] <muffette2> I installed ubuntu 11.04 but I can't boot anymore because grub goes insane. Have this error: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677888 and here is my boot script result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686090/ The solution in the link in the post doesn't work
[20:02] <fr0ggie> ive got an application built on arch-- it uses a pci device that i'd need direct access to. I want to setup an easier to maintain system for a desktop and host this arch appliance in a vm. what's a good distro for hosting kvm/xen and a decent desktop? ubuntu server + kde?
[20:03] <mbeierl> aha.  found another bunch of cruft in tmp: /tmp/.oracle/oracle with content like "Welcome to iroffer 1.4.b03, by PMG (released December 12th 2005)"
[20:03] <prakas> fr0ggie: kubuntu
[20:04] <DaVampsWin> anyone know if the x64 OS of Ubuntu is like a x64 Win and requires more RAM to run smoothly?
[20:04] <rDx3> glebihan: ok done
[20:04] <jcmarini> thanks again ubottu and ubuntu community gold stars all round ciao i am gone
[20:05] <spec_> can i ask a basic makefile question here? i keep getting redirected to channels where everyone is asleep
[20:05] <rDx3> glebihan: in the file now there is this text
[20:05] <Tiktalik> just-testing-thi: looks like your name is a letter long. :P
[20:05] <prakas> jcmarini: ubottu is a bot ;)
[20:05] <rDx3> glebihan: /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.2-p290@rails30/bin/thin: a /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9. script text executable
[20:05] <jcmarini> bots are great
[20:05] <muffette2> I'm gonna die :(
[20:05] <muffette2> boots too :/
[20:05] <prakas> lol
[20:05] <soreau> ! ask | spec_
[20:05] <glebihan> rDx3, ok then I have no clue what the problem could be, sorry
[20:05] <jcmarini> chuckle
[20:06] <wildbat> muffette2, you can fix it with reinstall the grub
[20:06] <rDx3> glebihan: thanks anyway I think we progressed anyway...
[20:06] <prakas> muffette2: did you upgrade from 10.10 and are you dual booting
[20:06] <spec_> http://www.friendpaste.com/4Y1TNkU4VMDOm8kjAk7js5  I'm passing BITS=32 or BITS=64 from the command line make.. but the conditional stuff on line 13 isn't running.
[20:06] <spec_> those paths aren't being set
[20:06] <FloodBot1> spec_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:07] <spec_> wtf is up with floodbot
[20:07] <McQueen> hi mysql server crashed...  its far server... i decided to restart ubuntu. i afraid for cant connect to server by ssh if it gets error on restarting.... i must i do? restart or not?
[20:07] <glebihan> rDx3, you're welcome, I would still recommend filing a bug report or asking a question on a forum if there's any for that app
[20:07] <DaVampsWin> does the 64 bit ubuntu desktop require more RAM then the 32 bit Ubuntu like Windows?
[20:08] <fr0ggie> prakas: kubuntu does kvm? Does it support nvidia fakeraid in installer? had hell with that
[20:09] <^Mike\b> McQueen: You almost certainly do not need to restart the operating system. Have you diagnosed the problem mysql had that caused it to crash? Have you tried to restart mysqld?
[20:10] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, yeah... i couldnt stop, remove, reinstall mysql server...
[20:10] <prakas> fr0ggie: i just told you that kubuntu is based on kde so you dont need to install kde. no idea if it works, i er mean the kvm
[20:10] <^Mike\b> McQueen: okay... what?! O_o Why do you need to remove or reinstall mysql server? I thought it crashed and now you want to restart it.
[20:10] <yeats> !kvm | fr0ggie
[20:10] <muffette2> I'm unable to boot since 11.04, grub goes insane. have 'grub_env_export' instead of boot menu. no solution works. Here my script boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686090/
[20:12] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, somethings went wrong when i tried to install iredmail... then i couldnt stop, start, remove or reinstall mysql server...
[20:12] <muffette2> if you have idea for me quote muffette, it's me on another pc, I try something :(
[20:12] <yvemath> After booting from the usb, i got this error - mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed : Invalid argument , Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on /filesystem.squashfs
[20:12] <ksx4system> is it possible to download somewhere source package of non-stable Ubuntu's Linux kernel?
[20:12] <yvemath> What could be the problem ?
[20:12] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, do you have an idea?
[20:13] <^Mike\b> McQueen: okay, show me what happens when you try to restart mysqld.
[20:13] <McQueen> ^Mike\b,
[20:13] <McQueen> ^Mike\b,  just a minute...
[20:13] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
[20:14] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
[20:14] <^Mike\b> McQueen: put it in a pastebin please
[20:14] <McQueen> ok
[20:14] <^Mike\b> McQueen: http://p.defau.lt
[20:15] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, http://p.defau.lt/?3MIiH3v2_gFqox78O_Ux3A
[20:16] <^Mike\b> McQueen: okay, now show me your mysql error logs
[20:16] <yvemath> After booting from the usb, i got this error - mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed : Invalid argument , Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs) on /filesystem.squashfs
[20:16] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, i am newbie... where can find it?
[20:16] <zastaph> when downloading ubuntu it says 32-bit is recommended.. even on 64 bit systems?
[20:17] <^Mike\b> McQueen: Also, you probably can't start mysqld as any user other than root or mysql. Try `sudo service mysql restart`
[20:17] <lion42> zastaph, it's recommended if you don't know what you have, since it'll work on either. But if you know you have 64, go ahead and download that.
[20:17] <^Mike\b> McQueen: /var/log/mysql/error.log
[20:17] <Polah> zastaph: 32-bit is just recommended since it will work on 32- or 64-bit platforms, whereas the 64-bit will not work on a 32-bit platform.
[20:18] <zastaph> lion42 im going to run it in virtualbox, as desktop OS .. and probably wont dedicate more than 4GB to it.. which do you think will perform better?
[20:18] <zastaph> I have VT-x
[20:18] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, i am root
[20:18] <lion42> zastaph, I have no idea, sorry.
[20:18] <^Mike\b> McQueen: Okay, I misread it then. Carry on :)
[20:18] <zastaph> I just ran a preinstalled VM (Ubuntu 32 bit) and it ran about 4 times faster (fps wise) than Debian
[20:19] <glebihan> zastaph, on a virtualbox, unless you really need 64bits, I'd recommend 32
[20:19] <zastaph> glebihan, because it performs better or?
[20:19] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, thanks
[20:19] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, i have to change my place...
[20:20] <McQueen> ^Mike\b, BRB
[20:20] <glebihan> zastaph, performance doesn't differ much, but there might be some issues with 64bits support on a VM
[20:20] <Polah> zastaph: If you're on a 64-bit system and your host is 64-bit, I'd got for a 64-bit guest. There's some performance benefits from 64-bit although there may be some incompatibilities with 32-bit programs, although they're not all that common as far as I'm aware.
[20:20] <zastaph> cam you 2 duke it out and tell me the results? :)
[20:22] <yeats> zastaph: I've had no issues running either 32 or 64 bit virtualbox VMs on a 64-bit guest - I think the takeway would be "try it and see" ;-)
[20:22] <zastaph> yeats, did you try debian in virtualbox? i was amazed how sluggish it runs compared to Ubuntu which I just ran
[20:22] <Edwin__> Q: I try to connect airport express to ubuntu 11.04. In manager i see 2 sinks for 1 airport express. When i select a sink a play music, the music will not play, it keep trying the first second. Anybody a idea??
[20:22] <subsonic> I don't have access to the GUI, is there a way I can set up VNC (remote desktop) via command line?
[20:23] <DaVampsWin> i agree with yeats. its more of a trial and error and flavor thing as to which runs more effectively
[20:25] <dgfger> my lolbuntu system with xfce de is slow to yhe brink of
[20:25] <glebihan> zastaph, to be honest, each time somebody comes in here asking whether he should choose 32bits or 64, there is about a 50/50 repartition on opinions... with usually not many arguments either way, so I'll go along with the latest advices and say : try it and see :)
[20:25] <dgfger> unusability, trouibleshoot?
[20:25] <DaVampsWin> yeats : do you have a prefered processor type (intel/amd) you use for ubuntu?
[20:25] <soreau> dgfger: Why not use ubuntu?
[20:26] <lion42> glebihan, here's how to resolve the debate for 99% of users: if you don't have a high-end computer, you probably wont notice if you use 32 either way. the end.
[20:26] <zastaph> fine, ill trial and error myself :)
[20:27] <glebihan> lion42, agreed
[20:27] <DaVampsWin> zastaph : remember there are no 2 computers that run the exact same. 11.04 32 or 64 will run differently on each machine.
[20:27] <yvemath> which image should i use, to install ubuntu via hdd via grub4dos or easybcd, Netboot or hdmedia or cdrom .. should i try the alternate installation???
[20:27] <dgfger> not funny
[20:28] <prakas> if anyone has less than 4gb ram then 32bit is just fine
[20:29] <yvemath> hrmm, anyone wanna sort me out ...
[20:29] <Fire^fox> booting oneiric 11.10 caused a dbus error, does someone have the same problem ?
[20:30] <hobbel> Anyone knows how to connect to a VPN when you are forced to use a proxy? (educational)
[20:32] <dgfger> it just sits there doing nothing but even keyboard lags
[20:32] <ThinkT510> !11.10 | Fire^fox
[20:33] <yeats> DaVampsWin: AMD typically
[20:34] <dgfger> why?
[20:34] <subsonic> ANybody know how I can launch teamviewer from commandline?
[20:34] <yeats> zastaph: haven't tried debian in vbox in a while
[20:38] <lindenle> has anyone else noticed that telepathy-logger eats up all your memory and binds up the ide bus if you leave IRC channels open all night
[20:38] <lindenle> what the hell
[20:38] <zenrox> what client?
[20:38] <harpal> I have some .desktop files for menu. So I did symlink of .desktop file folder to /usr/share/applications/samples folder, But still its not displaying
[20:38] <lindenle> zenrox: empathy
[20:39] <zenrox> lindenle, try using xchat see if that fixes it
[20:39] <harpal> Does menu dont following symlink under /usr/share/applications folder?
[20:39] <zenrox> if your gona leave a irc channel open all night its time to use a decated client like xchat lindenle
[20:39] <lindenle> zenrox: ok
[20:41] <lindenle> What is the best command line client
[20:41] <hobbel> someone can help me on how to bypass a HTTP proxy? Its enforced by the educational webs.. even update doesnt work!
[20:41] <hobbel> I have a vpn..
[20:41] <lindenle> if I am going to ditch empathy I might as well get rid of the hui too
[20:41] <W3ird_N3rd> lindenle, to do what?
[20:41] <lindenle> dedicated irc client
[20:42] <W3ird_N3rd> telnet
[20:42] <W3ird_N3rd> seriously don't know
[20:42] <Logan_> lindenle: irssi
[20:42] <lindenle> W3ird_N3rd: irssi
[20:42] <lindenle> Logan_: thx just found it
[20:42] <Logan_> np
[20:42] <W3ird_N3rd> oh yeah, I've heard of that before :) now I remember
[20:47] <TAndriamirado> Police, Milice! (sorry.. I'm listening Trust) ;-)
[20:48] <dgfger> i reniced damnet xorg to -10 it's still s...l...o...w
[20:50] <dgfger> hobel, update work via http
[20:51] <ubun> how do i upgrade(or) update my graphics driver (ATI radeon rv370 x300) ????? please help. (im trying to play Starcraft 2  and i found a suggestion that said update it
[20:51] <ar0nic> ubun a few different ways
[20:52] <ar0nic> go to restricted drivers
[20:52] <ar0nic> and search for it there
[20:52] <ar0nic> what drivers are you using atm?
[20:52] <CheBuzz> In earlier version of Ubuntu, you could suspend the computer from the commandline using the "pmi" tool.  Now that seems to have been removed from the repos.  Is there a way to suspend a computer from the commandline in the latest Ubuntu?
[20:52] <ubun> ar0nic: idk.  whatever it suggested when i installed the os.??? how do i find out
[20:52] <root_____> ok
[20:52] <rww> CheBuzz: see man pm-suspend
[20:53] <ar0nic> im not in ubuntu at the moment
[20:53] <ar0nic> udner pref i think
[20:53] <forti> hi
[20:53] <dgfger> ubun, you cannot
[20:54] <ubun> dgfger? cant update?
[20:54] <CheBuzz> rww: That's what I was looking for.  Thank you.
[20:54] <dgfger> could someone troubleshoot why my sytem is ecxeptionally laggy?
[20:54] <mister_bubbles> hi guys
[20:55] <mister_bubbles> ps aux | grep mysql says it is not running, yet when i try to start it, it claims it's already running
[20:55] <Serverfel> dgfger: installed somthing new lately?
[20:55] <mister_bubbles> somebody suggested pidfiles
[20:55] <mister_bubbles> how can i check for that?
[20:55] <dgfger> ubun your adapter is too old for divine radeon, and gallium driver is c...
[20:55] <photon> mister_bubbles: there's also #mysql
[20:56] <dgfger> Serverfel, "something new"?
[20:56] <root_____> xil
[20:56] <mister_bubbles> photon: they sent me here
[20:56] <ubun> dgfger: well this sucks...
[20:56] <TAndriamirado> dgfger: it could depend of so many parameters.. 1st thing to do is to check your runing daemons
[20:56] <Serverfel> dgfger: no you said that your system was laggy.... All of a sudden-like....
[20:57] <photon> mister_bubbles: there might be pid files in /var/run/
[20:58] <RyanP> I have several bin/cue images of audio CDs. What's the best way to convert the tracks to flac?
[20:58] <dgfger> i wouldn't beurprised if ubuntu just gets slower with each uptome minute
[20:59] <dgfger> i'm not running servers, its plain xfce system
[21:00] <Serverfel> dgfger: what hardware do you have?
[21:00] <indwic> dgfger: check running proccess
[21:00] <mister_bubbles> photon: there are no pid files for mysql there
[21:01] <mister_bubbles> there is an empty mysqld dir
[21:01] <photon> mister_bubbles: hm, sorry, I'm out of ideas then. delete it and see what happens?
[21:01] <dgfger> you mean top? which numbers i should look at there?
[21:01] <Serverfel> dgfger: i know my questions seem stupid, but i have many computers at home and they all react differently to ubuntu. =)
[21:02] <Prolac> hello, does anyone knows how can I detach from screen inside another screen?
[21:02] <Serverfel> Microsoft is not the root of all evil. Apple is. They are the new enemy.
[21:02] <Serverfel> PERIOD
[21:02] <dgfger> it is good hardwaree, but  suingle core and 392 mb ram
[21:02] <mister_bubbles> i like apples products though
[21:03] <mister_bubbles> i never liked MSs products
[21:03] <Serverfel> Yeah, if you jailbreak them maybe
[21:03] <indwic> dgfger: the one consume lot cpu/memory
[21:04] <dgfger> there are Xorg and xchat taking 30% time each
[21:04] <indwic> mister_bubbles: mysqld.sock
[21:05] <dgfger> xchat takes 50% cpu to be precise
[21:06] <mister_bubbles> indwic: where is mysqld.sock?
[21:06] <indwic> mister_bubbles: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[21:07] <mister_bubbles> no, /var/run/mysqld is compeltely empty
[21:07] <dgfger> is it normal for linux have 0% cpu iddle?
[21:08] <McQueen> Hello, any idea? http://p.defau.lt/?9RVeu5YyyNFz5TXbwkxtSA
[21:08] <mister_bubbles> my syslog says this over and over:
[21:08] <mister_bubbles> Sep  9 13:27:11 ip-10-114-95-171 init: mysql main process (3868) terminated with status 1
[21:08] <mister_bubbles> Sep  9 13:27:11 ip-10-114-95-171 init: mysql main process ended, respawning
[21:08] <mister_bubbles> Sep  9 13:27:42 ip-10-114-95-171 init: mysql post-start process (3869) terminated with status 1
[21:08] <mister_bubbles> Sep  9 13:27:42 ip-10-114-95-171 kernel: [ 5639.260880] type=1505 audit(1315600062.078:62):  operation="profile_replace" pid=3934 name="/usr/sbin/mysqld"
[21:08] <FloodBot1> mister_bubbles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:09] <sulumar> #ubuntu-be
[21:10] <TAndriamirado> dgfger: I suspect a problem with some libraries (gtk? glibc?). Are your packages up to date?
[21:11] <dgfger> it must be
[21:11] <indwic> mister_bubbles: try service mysql stop
[21:12] <TAndriamirado>  dgfger: ...or maybe do you use some backports or extra repositories which installed some conflicting verions of such basic libraies?
[21:12] <lindenle> hi guys in xchat can I make all the servers and channels I had open re-open when I restart by default?
[21:13] <dgfger> no its only ubuntu officcial repos connected
[21:13] <indwic> dgfger: i think your xchat take too much
[21:14] <Serverfel> dgfger: i found somthing called and Auto nice deamon in the repos.... Maybe this is somthing to check out?
[21:14] <mister_bubbles> service mysql stop
[21:14] <mister_bubbles> stop: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.17" (uid=1000 pid=5635 comm="stop) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Stop" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[21:14] <FloodBot1> mister_bubbles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:15] <Serverfel> quote "The auto nice daemon activates itself in certain intervals and renices jobs according to their priority and CPU usage. Jobs owned by root are left alone. Jobs are never increased in their priority."
[21:15] <Serverfel> Has somebody else tried this?
[21:16] <indwic> mister_bubbles: with sudo
[21:17] <dgfger> try reboot first
[21:18] <indwic> dgfger:  or problem with X driver
[21:18] <Serverfel> indwic: think the guy left
[21:18] <indwic> Serverfel:  ops
[21:19] <mister_bubbles> sudo service mysql stop
[21:19] <mister_bubbles> mysql stop/waiting
[21:19] <Serverfel> Its funny, Linux is not just a free OS, its carried by people who really love helping others. Its so nice to see. this thread sometimes. How much energy perople put in to helping others just for the kick of it.
[21:19] <Serverfel> A commercial support can never evolve into this.
[21:20] <about_blank> hi guys! anyone can help me indentifying this conputer ? http://codebits.eu/static/2011/quiz1/fd34f86cd32faaa444695206347eb806.jpg
[21:20] <mister_bubbles> sorry to pop your bubble, but there's SO much wrong with linux..
[21:20] <indwic> mister_bubbles: now try to start mysql
[21:21] <Serverfel> of course there is. But rome wasńt built in one day. And nothing will ever be perfect. Except for Megan Fox.
[21:21] <mister_bubbles> sudo service mysql start
[21:21] <mister_bubbles> and now it just hangs
[21:21] <mister_bubbles> for a minute now
[21:21] <indwic> Serverfel: agree
[21:21] <thunsucker> Serverfel, megan fox is not perfect, seen her thumb dude?
[21:22] <mister_bubbles> lol i know her thumb!!
[21:22] <mister_bubbles> that ruins the whole movie
[21:22] <mister_bubbles> funny that somebody else would notice
[21:22] <joshua__> nope, she is not perfect. she is stupid!
[21:22] <mister_bubbles> (service mysql start is still hanging)
[21:22] <Serverfel> thunsucker: maybe i like ugly thumbs? No seriously. She can wear stockings.. =)
[21:23] <thunsucker> i was j/k about the thumb
[21:23] <Serverfel> Well, compared to you guys she might be, but on the other hand, i havent met so many ladies that i think are smart.
[21:24] <indwic> i run it not too long
[21:24] <Serverfel> and im not sexist. Its just what i think. Maybe were to different.
[21:24] <mister_bubbles> still running/hanging :(
[21:25] <indwic> check log
[21:27] <indwic> mister_bubbles: is there /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock file?
[21:27] <mister_bubbles> no
[21:28] <mister_bubbles> in the syslog it says the same thing as before (i pasted it)
[21:28] <indwic> just stop it, ctl+c then
[21:28] <mister_bubbles> btw i just restarted - same thing
[21:28] <joshua__> @about_blank: google thinks it is a logitech k350 wireless keybord :D
[21:29] <indwic> try ask #ubuntu-server
[21:29] <mister_bubbles> ok
[21:29] <mister_bubbles> thx
[21:29] <thunsucker> mister_bubbles, whats wrong?
[21:29] <thunsucker> mister_bubbles, mysql troubles?
[21:30] <mister_bubbles> yea can't start it
[21:30] <mister_bubbles> see backlog
[21:30] <thunsucker> i see that now
[21:30] <thunsucker> try this
[21:30] <thunsucker> well
[21:30] <thunsucker> how did you install it?
[21:30] <FloodBot1> thunsucker: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:30] <thunsucker> !punch | FloodBot1
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> i didn't
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> it was running perfectly, then suddenly stopped
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> disk was full i think
[21:31] <thunsucker> okay fair enough
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> so i quit mysqld
[21:31] <thunsucker> is the disk been cleared now?
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> with kill <pid>
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> yea
[21:31] <mister_bubbles> there's 2gig now
[21:31] <FloodBot1> mister_bubbles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:32] <thunsucker> try this
[21:32] <mister_bubbles> but i can't start mysqld back up
[21:32] <thunsucker> check message, flood is annozying
[21:32] <mister_bubbles> what message?
[21:32] <mister_bubbles> ah
[21:32] <ikonia> guys, stop putting two words on a line and pressing enter, the problem will go away
[21:33] <thunsucker> two wrods
[21:33] <thunsucker> ikonia, sorry couldn't resist
[21:35] <r3m> is it normal there is no openssh-server package with ubuntu alternate
[21:35] <ikonia> r3m: do you mean installed by default ?
[21:35] <thunsucker> r3m, openssh-server is not installed by default
[21:35] <r3m> nothing with apt-cache search openssh-server
[21:35] <thunsucker> r3m, do an update then do: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[21:36] <ikonia> r3m: the repos for the alternative install is the same as normal, so it's there
[21:37] <thunsucker> r3m, do this first, sudo apt-get update
[21:42] <drehdz> what channel is for 11.10b1?
[21:42] <rww> drehdz: #ubuntu+1
[21:45] <savid> I'm trying to do an EOL upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic, and am following this documentation:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty .    I'm  trying to do "sudo do-release-upgrade",  however it says command not found.  Any ideas?
[21:46] <thunsucker> savid, did you update your /etc/apt/sources.list with the appropriate deb's?
[21:46] <jrib> savid: also, what does « ls /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade » return?
[21:46] <savid> thunsucker, yes,  I changed the file to what the doc said
[21:47] <thunsucker> savid, did you do "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[21:47] <Eidel> How do i mount volumes in the terminal just like Nautilus does it?
[21:47] <savid> yep
[21:47] <jrib> Eidel: probably using udisks
[21:47] <savid> I'll run it again
[21:47] <jrib> Eidel: or gvfs-mount :/
[21:47] <savid> nope, still not found
[21:47] <Polah> savid: Are you running a server? You require at least update-manager-core to use do-release-upgrade
[21:48] <jrib> savid: also, what does « ls /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade » return?
[21:48] <savid> Polah, yes, running a server
[21:48] <Eidel> jrib: thx!
[21:48] <thunsucker> savid, okay another question, why are you going to karmic?
[21:48] <thunsucker> savid, start off with a fresh natty install ;)
[21:48] <Polah> savid: Install update-manager-core and retry
[21:49] <savid> thunsucker,  that's out of the question right now for a server.  I don't want to have to migrate all these websites over
[21:49] <r3m> ikonia: thunsucker, thanks you were right
[21:49] <afeder_> I am trying to compile network-manager-applet, but it depends on 'NetworkManager >= 0.9.1'. Where can I get this package when the most recent version in main repositories is 0.9.0?
[21:50] <jrib> afeder_: why are you compiling it?
[21:50] <afeder_> jrib, i am fixing a bug in it
[21:50] <savid> Polah, thanks, that was it.   Although, now I'm getting this:  http://pastie.org/2510715
[21:51] <jrib> afeder_: you are editing the code yourself?
[21:51] <afeder_> jrib, yes
[21:53] <jrib> afeder_: what bug?
[21:53] <afeder_> jrib, this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/826260
[21:53] <jrib> h/url 1
[21:55] <Polah> savid: Might be because you're using a non-LTS release and you're trying to jump straight to Lucid, skipping 9.10. You might have to change your settings to go to 9.10 and then 10.04, then set it back to LTS-only
[21:55] <jrib> afeder_: you probably need to build network manager too.  Why don't you just fix it in the version that's in your ubuntu.  Has the relevant file changed in the new version?
[21:55] <savid> Polah, I'm  just following this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty
[21:56] <afeder_> jrib, hmm probably not. that might work.
[21:56] <savid> Which is from 9.04 to 9.10.     How do I change settings to go to 9.10?
[21:57] <jrib> afeder_: yeah I would just check if the file changed and if not, just patch that version.  Then you can test in a vm your fix with the latest version and pass on the patch upstream
[21:57] <afeder_> rigt
[21:57] <afeder_> right*
[21:57] <jrib> afeder_: also check the upstream tracker for the bug (I didn't notice one linked on launchpad)
[21:57] <Phoenix87> bye
[21:58] <afeder_> jrib, i'll try, thanks.
[21:58] <rojanu> what is the beta channel?
[21:58] <jrib> !oneiric | rojanu
[21:58] <new2net> new certificates update?
[22:00] <j0nr> hi, how can I install ATI drivers on server edition please? This is for a laptop running server edition that will also run XBMC
[22:00] <ikonia> why are you running the server platform on a laptop ?
[22:04] <Roasted> with gnome shell in 11.04 how do I move the buttons tot he left?
[22:04] <ikonia> you don't as it's not a supported software package
[22:04] <Roasted> I did it on my desktop
[22:04] <Roasted> just can't remember what I did to do it on the laptop
[22:04] <ikonia> gnome shell is from a PPA - that is supported by the PPA owner/maintainer
[22:04] <Roasted> right
[22:04] <crash1hd> Ok so onlogin I switched from ubuntu to ubuntu classic and now when I switch to ubuntu it does not load the new fisher price style os? how to get it to work again (I wanted to play with it for a bit)
[22:05] <Roasted> I just wanted to ask quick and see if anybody knew since I know there's a ton of G3 users out there on 11.04
[22:05] <ikonia> Roasted: contact the PPA maintainer for any help with that software,
[22:05] <kawaiicats> http://www.near-reality.com/forums/guides/69560-how-get-near-reality-working-linux-ubuntu.html can someone help me follow this guide please?
[22:05] <Roasted> oh, right. or I could ask here and probably get it fixed in a matter of 30 seconds?
[22:05] <kawaiicats> i dont know how to CD :/
[22:06] <Roasted> think I just found it...
[22:06] <ikonia> Roasted: you need to take up issue with the software and it's configuration with the maintainer, please.
[22:06] <Jikan> crash1hd: you sure you didn't uninstall unity* packages ?
[22:06] <Roasted> ikonia, it's not an issue. I know it's possible because I've done it. As I said, I just wanted to ask here quick and see if any other ubuntu users ran into it as well. I'm having a hard time understanding the issue here.
[22:06] <Jikan> does it at least load anything or just nothing ?
[22:07] <crash1hd> Jikan, nope didnt uninstall as I am activating the cloud stuff now
[22:07] <Roasted> but I just found it. thanks anyway.
[22:07] <ikonia> Roasted: the issue is this channel supports/discusses supported ubuntu software, the software you talk about is not supported and is from an unsupported PPA, which is supported by the people who maintain that, so ask them in future.
[22:07] <Roasted> http://geekum.wordpress.com/2011/05/25/how-to-move-close-button-in-debian-gnome-shell-to-left-like-ubuntu/
[22:07] <Roasted> for those curious
[22:07] <Roasted> ikonia, lol. okay.
[22:07] <ikonia> Roasted: please don't be so rude as to post links to it when I've just explained we don't deal with unsupported packages in here
[22:08] <crash1hd> Jikan, or at least I dont think I did, is there a way to check?
[22:08] <Roasted> ikonia, as I said, it's not a big deal. but it is indeed a done deal.   So I'm trying to scp a cert to my machine, and instead of root@www.domain.com:~ as the target, I slip and do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:11] <brokemyubuntu> now I can't ssh with my keyfile
[22:11] <brokemyubuntu> I think I overwrote the ~ directory link or something?
[22:12] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: tahat would just put it in roots home directory
[22:12] <linxeh> brokemyubuntu: what ikonia said
[22:12] <brokemyubuntu> root home directory is www.domain.com:~, not www.domain.com:/~.  see what i mean?
[22:12] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: it's the same
[22:13] <crash1hd> Jikan, hmm dont know how to use aptitude but I did do a quick search (couldnt tell if it found something) but when I check the package manager and do a search for unity it says it is installed
[22:13] <linxeh> one does wonder why you are ssh'ing as root in the first place
[22:13] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: the only other thing it could have done is put a file called ~ in /
[22:13] <brokemyubuntu> yeah, I think I did that
[22:13] <thunsucker> brokemyubuntu, try: sudo rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[22:13] <ikonia> thunsucker: why will that fix anything ?
[22:14] <brokemyubuntu> it asks for a password even though I'm trying to log in with ssh -i privatekey.pem
[22:14] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: if the key can't be validated use the account password, rather than the key
[22:14] <thunsucker> ikonia, if the host record is messed up for some reason yes
[22:14] <crash1hd> Jikan, hmm could it be because I disabled the ati/amd driver cause it was showing a warning at the bottom of the screen
[22:15] <ikonia> thunsucker: why would the host record be messed up, he's just said the issue
[22:15] <Jikan> crash1hd: "aptitude search unity" is to be typed in a terminal, but the results will be the same as you'll find in synaptic when typing unity in the search bar
[22:15] <ikonia> thunsucker: the error isn't an incorrect host one,
[22:15] <Jikan> crash1hd: possible if you don't have unity-2d installed
[22:15] <brokemyubuntu> ubuntu server running on amazon, private key is required, can't log in using password
[22:15] <crash1hd> Jikan, right unity-2d was not installed
[22:15] <thunsucker> ikonia, he said he couldn't ssh, in doing troubleshooting it's possible that he messed it up
[22:15] <mister_bubbles> *sigh* this is why i don't like 'free' software.. you get what you pay for
[22:15] <crash1hd> Jikan, going to try the custom ati driver again to see if that was what it was
[22:15] <ikonia> thunsucker: randomly removing files isn't trouble shooting
[22:16] <mister_bubbles> or: linux is only free if your time has no value
[22:16] <phoenixsampras> help how to install pdf2swf ??? HELP SOS
[22:16] <thunsucker> ikonia, thinking you know everything doesn't make you smart
[22:16] <ikonia> thunsucker: I'm not silly enough to start randomly removing files
[22:16] <Jikan> if you have no compatible driver, unity should fallback to 2D mode given you have a working install of unity-2D
[22:16] <thunsucker> ikonia, think about it, he imported the key incorrectly and could have messed up his ssh host record, it won't hurt anything if he removes it
[22:17] <ikonia> thunsucker: importing the key doesn't touch known_hosts
[22:17] <thunsucker> ikonia, also this is an open chat room, people are allow to post suggestions
[22:17] <crash1hd> Jikan, right I am sure the driver is compatable it just shows this box in the corner (I dont recall what it says atm) but I will find out in a min :)
[22:17] <ikonia> thunsucker: yes, and I'm just informing you that randomly removing that file is not useful
[22:17] <phoenixsampras> SOS?
[22:17] <thunsucker> ikonia, randomly removing of a file is not what i suggested, i offered something that might help, whether you think it will or not
[22:18] <qin> phoenixsampras: Save Our Systems
[22:18] <brokemyubuntu> removed .ssh/known_hosts.. didn't help
[22:18] <thunsucker> okay
[22:18] <ikonia> thunsucker: so I asked "how would removing the known hosts file help"
[22:18] <kunwon1> i'm in the 'keyboard shortcuts' dialog for gnome-terminal, i want to set one of the shortcuts to 'disabled' but when i double click on the item it just asks me to press the new key. what do i press to set 'disabled'?
[22:18] <thunsucker> ikonia, and i answered, learn to read, learn respect, and then logoff
[22:18] <crash1hd> Is there a gnome ubuntu cleanup tool (that looks for old unused drivers and tells you they are not being used to allow you to remove them
[22:18] <thunsucker> !topic | ikonia
[22:19] <brokemyubuntu> I can still ssh to other boxes
[22:19] <ikonia> thunsucker: drop teh attitude, if you can't help people properly, don't, randomly removing files with no reason is not helpful
[22:19] <lion42> thunsucker, you're being very disrespectful. ikonia is just trying to help: this is not a stage for your opinions alone.
[22:19] <phoenixsampras> help how to install pdf2swf ??? <<< HELP pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[22:19] <thunsucker> lion42, it's not a stage for his opinions alone
[22:19] <ikonia> thunsucker: when you are offering help that can cause problems, - it is
[22:20] <Jikan> kunwon1: just highlight the shortcut you want to modify and erase what's written
[22:20] <brokemyubuntu> I appreciate all suggestions
[22:20] <thunsucker> lion42, i made a suggestion, it didn't work, but i still have the right to make suggestions
[22:20] <Jikan> like select all ⇒ backspace
[22:20] <zykotick9> phoenixsampras, do you mean pdf2svg?
[22:20] <lion42> thunsucker, that's true. And then you'll be corrected when you're wrong.
[22:20] <kunwon1> Jikan: awesome! that worked. thanks!
[22:20] <phoenixsampras> zykotick9: no, there is a tools to convert PDF to SWF
[22:20] <Jikan> you're welcome ^^
[22:20] <phoenixsampras> http://flexpaper.devaldi.com/docs_php.jsp
[22:20] <thunsucker> !assfucker | ikonia
[22:20] <ikonia> enough now, thunsucker please put a little thought into suggestion
[22:20] <thunsucker> !assfucker | lion2
[22:20] <FloodBot1> thunsucker: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:21] <lion42> Or that.
[22:21] <kunwon1> moderating this channel must be a chore
[22:21] <brokemyubuntu> shoot, i think I know what happenned.   when trying to delete the ~ file that I created, could I have deleted the ~ directory? i.e. the root user directory?
[22:21] <zykotick9> kunwon1, agreed.  Thank you all OPs :)
[22:21] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: that makes sense
[22:21] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: contacting amazon and asking them to put the key file back is the quickest way
[22:22] <zykotick9> brokemyubuntu, ~ is the user home directory, unless you where using sudo or logged in as root
[22:22] <Aeth> If there is a server running an old version of Ubuntu, is there a place where the security vulnerabilities are listed?
[22:22] <Aeth> Upgrading is impossible, so I need to know where the vulnterabilities are.
[22:22] <brokemyubuntu> ok
[22:22] <ikonia> Aeth: you need to look at CERN reports
[22:23] <phoenixsampras> how to install SWFTOOLS ?
[22:23] <brokemyubuntu> I think I can just mount the EBS volume to another instance and copy the file back.
[22:23] <ikonia> brokemyubuntu: if that works, superb
[22:23] <brokemyubuntu> thanks, I'll give that a try.
[22:23] <zykotick9> phoenixsampras, looks like you'll have to compile from source http://www.swftools.org/ or search if it's in a PPA
[22:25] <Aeth> ikonia: cern reports?
[22:25] <ikonia> Aeth: google them
[22:25] <Aeth> ok
[22:26] <alamri> هلا مرحبا
[22:26] <Jikan> sure dude
[22:26] <Jikan> cool story
[22:26] <Jikan> e__e
[22:26] <alamri> وش حالكم يالربع
[22:26] <zykotick9> Aeth, running a server on an unsupported OS if verging on crazy
[22:26] <zykotick9> s/if/is/
[22:27] <crash1hdU> After activating the custom amd/ati video driver I have this logo in the corner of the screen that says AMD Unsupported hardware? any idea how to remove it?
[22:27] <alamri> راحو في است العدو
[22:27] <bastidrazor> !arabic | alamri
[22:27] <Aeth> zykotick9: well, I have no choice unfortunately.
[22:27] <Aeth> This server is Ubuntu 9.10 and I need to secure it.
[22:28] <Aeth> It *would* be easier if it was upgraded.
[22:28] <ikonia> Aeth: is there a reason you can't upgrade it ?
[22:29] <Aeth> ikonia: The server has to remain up.
[22:29] <Jikan> crash1hdU: see http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?15192-Ugly-Watermark-Issue-quot-AMD-Unsupported-hardware-quot
[22:29] <alamri> افلح
[22:29] <Jikan> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1248220
[22:29] <ikonia> Aeth: the downtime should only be the final reboot
[22:29] <crash1hdU> Jikan, thanks will have a look
[22:29] <Aeth> ikonia: Right. In 99.999999999% of cases, it's preferable.
[22:29] <Aeth> However, I'm not my boss, I can't do the upgrade.
[22:29] <ikonia> Aeth: your call
[22:30] <X-tonic> I have not understood NBS properly even after reading it up on the ubuntu wiki. Once after downloading the source of the package which needs to be recompiled with the new library, how do I actually set dependencies and recompile? Doesnt ./configure itself dictate dependencies?
[22:30] <ikonia> NBS ?
[22:30] <X-tonic> Not Built from Source @ ikonia
[22:30] <Aeth> ikonia: My point is that it's not my call. :-/
[22:30] <Aeth> If it were my call, it'd be updated.
[22:31] <ikonia> X-tonic: what software do you want to use ?
[22:31] <Guest37828> hola
[22:32] <X-tonic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NBS @ ikonia
[22:32] <mneptok> Aeth: 9.10 will soon be unsupported, and will get no updates at all.
[22:32] <zykotick9> !es | Guest37828
[22:32] <Guest37828> hi
[22:33] <lion42> Heh.
[22:33] <HoNgOuRu> hi
[22:33] <X-tonic> if I say namaste, will i get a msg saying to join #ubuntu-in too?
[22:33] <X-tonic> namaste
[22:33] <ikonia> X-tonic: what ?
[22:33] <mneptok> X-tonic: no, #ubuntu-nepal
[22:33] <HoNgOuRu> Im having a problem with my 5.1 sound
[22:33] <ikonia> X-tonic: I just asked what software you where trying to use
[22:34] <HoNgOuRu> can I get some help here?
[22:34] <X-tonic> ikonia: I meant general. Something like libindicator3 i wanted to fix.
[22:34] <ikonia> X-tonic: fix it ?
[22:34] <Guest37828> bye
[22:34] <X-tonic> as in it is in the http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[22:34] <jsemar> hey guys I am trying to get ssh to listen on port 9999 on a remote server and forward ssh traffic to port 22 on the box I am on...so far I have this :sudo ssh -nNT -R 9999:<IP_ADDRESS>:22<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:34] <ikonia> X-tonic: the reason I'm asking is most software is already built for you in and in the repos, so unless you really understand what you're doing building software from scratch for your system isn't a good idea
[22:34] <HoNgOuRu> Im using 11.04, my 5.1 stops working as it should after I switch to another song for example...
[22:36] <X-tonic> jsemar: doesnt ssh -ND 9999 you@remoteserver do thetrick?
[22:38] <HoNgOuRu> can anybody help me? Im having problems with my sound blaster sound card, the subwoffer just stops working if I switch to another song
[22:39] <sdasdas> how to set an environment variable in ibintu?
[22:40] <ikonia> sdasdas: in what ?
[22:40] <edbian> sdasdas: variable=something
[22:41] <X-tonic> sdasdas:  type " export variable = something"
[22:41] <jsemar> X-tonic: no, it doesn't, it just hangs
[22:42] <sdasdas> I need persistent
[22:42] <X-tonic> sdasdas: add it to .bashrc
[22:42] <X-tonic> if you want it for ur profile
[22:42] <jsemar> X-tonic, i've used the command i gave before for another server (pydevd remore debugging) it basicallly allows the breakpoint on a remote server to send its data to a port that get forwarded to me
[22:42] <sdasdas> is bashrc used for frafic sessions too?
[22:43] <BarkingFish> Good evening all.  Do you have a channel for your devs from Ubuntu please?  I'm trying to grab one who may be online, but I don't know what nick I'm looking for.  The dev in question is Stefano Rivera
[22:43] <X-tonic> sdasdas:  add /etc/bash.bashrc if you want it to all sessions
[22:44] <BarkingFish> ignore that question, the user i want is online :)  I just found his entry in launchpad!  Sorry about that.
[22:47] <jsemar> X-tonic ive gotten that other command to work, but i have to ssh into the 'proxy' and ssh localhost -p 9999 from there
[22:47] <jsemar> i cant just ssh remote -p 9999 from anywhere
[22:47] <nathanel> hi all
[22:48] <nathanel> having an issue with a quicklist command for gnome-terminal
[22:49] <^Mike\b> Is there a GUI program I can use to easily encrypt or password-protect a file/archive of files?
[22:49] <nathanel> [UpdateUpgrade Shortcut Group]
[22:49] <nathanel> Name=Update and Upgrade System
[22:49] <nathanel> Exec=gnome-terminal --command "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y"
[22:49] <nathanel> TargetEnvironment=Unity
[22:49] <nathanel> FILE
[22:49] <FloodBot1> nathanel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:49] <Jikan> nathanel: please use pastebin >_<
[22:50] <Zhoom> When I boot up Ubuntu on this computer, my login screen doesn't show. What shows, is a fullscreen terminal, (must login and startx before you can use the mouse)
[22:50] <Zhoom> I don't know why my login screen isn't showing, but could somebody possibly help me?
[22:51] <haqking> zhoom: is it a desktop edition or server edition ?
[22:51] <zykotick9> Zhoom, rather then using "startx" does "sudo service gdm start" work?
[22:51] <Zhoom> haqking, it's a desktop edition.
[22:51] <ikonian_fag> ikonia, i have a problem, I can't sucking gay dick long enough to be able to help lion42!
[22:52] <Zhoom> zykotick9, let me try that.
[22:52] <Zhoom> Guys, I'll be right back!
[22:52] <haqking> ahh zykotick9 beat me to next bit
[22:52] <lion42> ...
[22:52] <lion42> How did I get involved in that particular statement.
[22:52] <lion42> Oh, was it pissed off due from earlier?
[22:53] <nathanel> the snippet is on pastebin.. i also have the X-ayatana flag for the module set in the launcher... the command opens a term, asks for password then just closes... ;/
[22:53] <mrtc> Hey guys I'm looking for dd expert!
[22:53] <nathanel> mrtc: what is your issue?
[22:53] <mrtc> I have a bootable compactflash drive that I want to backup to ISO
[22:54] <nathanel> easy... are you familiar with the filesystem and its directories?
[22:54] <ikonian_fag> ikonia, you suck deek long time
[22:54] <mrtc> I'm using dd if=/dev/sdc of=flash.iso bs=2048
[22:55] <mrtc> if I copy that back to the cf disc in the same matter will it still be bootable?
[22:55] <nathanel> specify the partition in the drive.. i guess sdc1
[22:55] <mrtc> ahh okay
[22:55] <nathanel> the same way that backing up a cd/dvd would be scd0
[22:56] <mrtc> perfect, thanks nathanel
[22:56] <nathanel> you can the verify its contents with the archive manager :)
[22:56] <nathanel> or md5sum of the specific directories and compare to make sure it's all copied to the bit
[22:57] <linxeh> or use rsync
[22:57] <bustyasian132> i have a problem with ubuntu, any help?
[22:57] <linxeh> which is designed to do that automatically for you
[22:57] <mrtc> oops, it's saying no such file or directory :(
[22:57] <linxeh> bustyasian132: ask the real question :)
[22:58] <mrtc> "/dev/sdc worked but I assume that's wrong
[22:58] <nathanel> the bs parameter might not be appropriate.. you can check the fs type (i assume FAT) and use the appropriate flag for it
[22:59] <mrtc> I have no clue what the file system is, it doesn't mount in ubuntu, it was a freeNAS install
[22:59] <zykotick9> mrtc, if it's bootable media then /dev/sdc is probably correct, BUT can't really be an ISO file, image file yes.
[22:59] <nathanel> so.. guys.. any feedback on the x-ayatana module? i really don't get why it isn't starting
[22:59] <mrtc> img is fine
[22:59] <nathanel> bustyasian.. what is your issue
[23:00] <nathanel> ok
[23:00] <nathanel> mrtc: all good then
[23:00] <mrtc> I believe so
[23:00] <mrtc> thanks all!
[23:00] <nathanel> np :)
[23:01] <nathanel> help?
[23:01] <DeltaEpsilon> can some one recommend me a good calendar app for Ubuntu?
[23:02] <brandon---> DeltaEpsilon: I either use Evolution or Google calendar.
[23:02] <nathanel> deltaepsilon: orage?
[23:02] <th0r> DeltaEpsilon: orage?
[23:02] <nathanel> th0r.. you rock LOL
[23:02] <DeltaEpsilon> brandon---, I would like to have an app that works with google calendar
[23:02] <nathanel> delta: are you connected at all times?
[23:02] <Zhoom> thank you to whoever told me to use "sudo service gdm start" It showed the login screen. but my problem still is, how come it doesn't show it when I first start up my computer?
[23:03] <ubuntuweeeeee__> Zhoom, ask ikonia he probably knows
[23:03] <^Mike\b> I've installed seahorse-plugins, but I don't get an "Encrypt" option when I right-click in nautilus. Was that feature removed?
[23:03] <DeltaEpsilon> nathanel, almost all times
[23:03] <nathanel> Zhoom: it's not in your bashrc or in init
[23:03] <nathanel> ok
[23:03] <Zhoom> do you know how to add it?
[23:03] <Zhoom> or no?
[23:03] <nathanel> delta: r u on unity? if so.. i can paste you a quicklist for the google services
[23:03] <brandon---> DeltaEpsilon: I use Google Chrome and the Google makes an add on where you can use Google Calendar offline.
[23:03] <DeltaEpsilon> nathanel, I use gnome classic
[23:04] <Zhoom> I was once told to remove gdm, then re install it. so it's not starting up properly.
[23:04] <nathanel> you can reuse the commands and create launchers that'll point to the browser
[23:04] <nathanel> care to try?
[23:04] <c4pt> hello if i try using root terminal with gksu as 'su' i get an error "Incorrect Password" if i chage gksu with gksu-properties to 'sudo' the password works (how can i keep using gksu with su or fix the problem?)
[23:04] <DeltaEpsilon> nathanel, I prfer a system service to remind me of my tasks
[23:04] <brandon---> c4pt: su wants you to log into root.
[23:05] <c4pt> brandon---, i am using the right password
[23:05] <brandon---> c4pt: Use 'sudo passwd' and change root's password if you want to use 'su'.
[23:05] <nathanel> ok.... personnally i use gm-notify to send me my inbox reception stats and the calendar is set to send me a mail to notify :)
[23:05] <zykotick9> Zhoom, verify that /etc/init/ has a GDM entry, and that it's executable.
[23:06] <c4pt> brandon---, i am using the right password with root's password
[23:06] <Zhoom> zykotick9, there's a gdm.conf
[23:07] <c4pt> brandon---, if i use my user name (c4pt) with gksu-properties 'sudo' the password works if i use gksu-properties with root as 'su' and c4pt gksu-properties 'su' it doesnt work
[23:07] <zykotick9> Zhoom, and does "ls -l /etc/init/gdm.conf" show rwx?
[23:07] <c4pt> brandon---, do you think maybe one of the programs has a permissions problem
[23:07] <nathanel> c4pt: check the gdm binary
[23:07] <c4pt> brandon---, about 30 minutes ago i accidentally ran chown -R c4pt:c4pt in / (i was trying to chown -R a dir)
[23:07] <Zhoom> zykotick9: it shows: -rw-r--r--
[23:07] <c4pt> brandon---, so i reset / with chown -R root:root bin
[23:07] <c4pt> brandon---, so i reset / with chown -R root:root dev
[23:07] <c4pt> brandon---, so i reset / with chown -R root:root etc
[23:08] <c4pt> etcetc.
[23:08] <zykotick9> Zhoom, "sudo chmod +x /etc/init/gdm.conf" might fix your issue
[23:08] <mneptok> c4pt: do not repeat like that
[23:08] <nathanel> that's why.. you need to reset the file owner to root with root only access to perm
[23:08] <Zhoom> okay,
[23:08] <zykotick9> Zhoom, sorry - ignore that for a moment!
[23:08] <Zhoom> whoops
[23:08] <Zhoom> I sort of already did it. :3
[23:08] <zykotick9> Zhoom, are the other files executable in there?
[23:08] <Zhoom> no.
[23:08] <zykotick9> Zhoom, "sudo chmod -x /etc/init/gdm.conf" to undo
[23:09] <c4pt> mneptok, ok
[23:09] <Zhoom> okay, done.
[23:09] <nathanel> people: i need a little assistance about a quiclist
[23:09] <nathanel> quicklist*
[23:09] <zykotick9> Zhoom, sorry I don't know why it's not starting - hopefully someone else has something.  Good luck!
[23:09] <Zhoom> so sudo chmod +x won't work?
[23:10] <zykotick9> Zhoom, it if everything else isn't executable (sorry i got confused there)
[23:10] <zykotick9> s/it/not/
[23:10] <Zhoom> oh.
[23:11] <MocDroid> pinc
[23:11] <MocDroid> ping
[23:13] <nathanel> help??!
[23:14] <bazhang> nathanel, what is the exact issue, please be clear
[23:14] <Zhoom> so, can somebody help me get the login screen to appear when I boot up my computer?
[23:14] <c4pt> brandon---, basically su to root isnt working 'if i try "su root" it fails with the right password (if i use sudo -s it works)
[23:15] <nathanel> i have made a unity quicklist entry for gnome-terminal. when i execute, it onlly pops a new terminal window, asks for sudo passw and the exits window. the command is:  Exec=gnome-terminal --command "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y"
[23:15] <p014k> Hello. I'm using ubuntu 11.04 with compiz and trying to use the screenshot function, but my screenshots look like they've been 'selected': like so: http://i.imgur.com/tLQLQ.png
[23:16] <harpal> c4pt: did you set root password? or you assuming your first user password is root password?
[23:16] <c4pt> brandon---, i fixed it with chmod +s /bin/su
[23:16] <c4pt> brandon---, from sudo -s
[23:16] <zykotick9> nathanel, try "gnome-terminal -e "sudo.... "
[23:16] <Zhoom> p014k, are you using Prnt Scrn ??
[23:16] <c4pt> brandon---, since i mentioned i touched the permissions in / by mistake with recurrisve
[23:17] <zykotick9> nathanel, forget that --command is the same thing
[23:17] <rcmaehl> I just need this verified real quick, can some ssh to fcofix.dyndns.org and make sure you get asked for a pass?
[23:17] <rcmaehl> Thanks
[23:17] <ikonia> rcmaehl: you can test that yourself
[23:17] <rcmaehl> not really
[23:17] <ikonia> rcmaehl: yes
[23:17] <p014k> Zhoom: no, I'm using the shortcut I assigned. Super+button 1. It lets me select a rectangle.
[23:17] <ikonia> rcmaehl: ssh to it, see if you get asked for a password
[23:17] <rcmaehl> as the ssh resolves to this PC
[23:17] <c4pt> thanx
[23:17] <ikonia> rcmaehl: so ?
[23:18] <ikonia> rcmaehl: what you get asked for, someone else will get asked for
[23:18] <DeltaEpsilon> does Ubuntu have an indexing service like Windows 7 or OSX?
[23:19] <nathanel> yes.. superfetch... i think..
[23:19] <Zhoom> rcmaehl, it won't let me connect to it.
[23:19] <DeltaEpsilon> nathanel, superfetch for Ubuntu?
[23:19] <rcmaehl> ikonia: ^ point proven
[23:19] <nathanel> i mean tracker.. sorry.. got mixed up...
[23:19] <Zhoom> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:20] <Zhoom> I was hoping it would let me in w/o password.
[23:20] <ikonia> rcmaehl: that's not ssh
[23:20] <Zhoom> ^
[23:20] <ikonia> rcmaehl: the will be a firewall or tcp wrappers
[23:20] <Zhoom> lul
[23:20] <Zhoom> FTP
[23:20] <Zhoom> SFTP
[23:20] <rcmaehl> Zhoom[BRB]: try ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:20] <rcmaehl> see if it asks for pass
[23:20] <nathanel> the snippet i got the quicklist from specifies Exec=gnome-terminal --command "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[23:21] <r3m> how to remove X entirely
[23:22] <DeltaEpsilon> nathanel, can't find it
[23:22] <nathanel> hmmm...
[23:22] <^Mike\b> Is there a free GPG client for windows?
[23:23] <jrib> ^Mike\b: ##windows
[23:23] <th0r> ^Mike\b: yes
[23:24] <Zhoom[BRB]> rcmaehl, still no connection.
[23:25] <Zhoom[BRB]> it's not ssh like ikonia said.
[23:25] <ikonia> rcmaehl: it's probably your nat not setup correctly
[23:25] <rcmaehl> or I don't have port forwarding enabled
[23:26] <Zhoom[BRB]> port forward = bad.
[23:26] <rcmaehl> I only need 1 and only one machine on my network to accept port 22
[23:26] <ikonia> rcmaehl: portforward is the nat
[23:26] <Zhoom> oh.
[23:26] <rcmaehl> now try
[23:26] <Zhoom> still no connection </3
[23:27] <Zhoom> rcmaehl, what OS are you on?
[23:27] <rcmaehl> ubuntu
[23:27] <Zhoom> ...
[23:27] <Zhoom> do you even have openssh installed?
[23:27] <rcmaehl> run in terminal ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:27] <rcmaehl> Zhoom: yes
[23:27] <Zhoom> probably not started.
[23:27] <Zhoom> nmap localhost
[23:27] <Zhoom> is port 22 open?
[23:28] <rcmaehl> yes
[23:28] <Zhoom> then something isn't setup correctly.
[23:28] <Autoclesis> ubuntu can't find external hd
[23:28] <Autoclesis> what to do?
[23:28] <W3ird_N3rd> don't know
[23:28] <W3ird_N3rd> does it show in dmesg?
[23:28] <rcmaehl> Zhoom: openssh-server is already the newest version.
[23:29] <Autoclesis> um...
[23:29] <zykotick9> r3m, i've never tried, but i'd guess "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-core" would possibly work.
[23:29] <Zhoom> I never asked about the newer version.
[23:29] <Autoclesis> is it 1susb or lsusb?
[23:29] <W3ird_N3rd> lsusb
[23:29] <Autoclesis> okay i'll try it. thanks W3ird_N3rd
[23:29] <W3ird_N3rd> Autoclesis, open a terminal, run "dmesg", plug in your drive, run "dmesg" again
[23:29] <Autoclesis> okay
[23:30] <DeltaEpsilon> I installed deskbar applet but I can't find it in the list of applets of gnome-panel :-(
[23:32] <terahertz777> hi
[23:33] <Autoclesis> W3ird_N3rd, how do i know if i accomplished anything?
[23:33] <Autoclesis> should it appear under Places/
[23:34] <W3ird_N3rd> Autoclesis, was anything added to dmesg after plugging in?
[23:34] <W3ird_N3rd> pastebin the last, say, 50 lines from your dmesg after plugging in if you don't know
[23:34] <W3ird_N3rd> so we can look at it :P
[23:34] <Autoclesis> um...
[23:34] <W3ird_N3rd> www.pastebin.de
[23:34] <Zhoom> pastebin.com
[23:35] <Autoclesis> it says " Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[23:35] <Autoclesis> "
[23:36] <Autoclesis> USB Mass Storage support registered
[23:36] <Autoclesis> that sounds promising
[23:36] <Zhoom> now, can anybody help me get the Ubuntu Login Screen to appear instead of a giant terminal when I boot up my computer?
[23:36] <W3ird_N3rd> Autoclesis, are you using Ubuntu?
[23:36] <Autoclesis> yes
[23:36] <W3ird_N3rd> and it says "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver..." in dmesg?
[23:37] <bacar> hey the world
[23:37] <Autoclesis> yes
[23:37] <Autoclesis> it's this : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CG4WOI
[23:37] <Zhoom> autoclesis, it should show things like OUTBOUND / INBOUND
[23:37] <bacar> there is person in this chat who like embedded system ?
[23:37] <Autoclesis> okay
[23:37] <W3ird_N3rd> can you pastebin the last 50 lines from your dmesg Autoclesis?
[23:37] <W3ird_N3rd> because I don't think I've ever seen stuff like that in my dmesg, so I'm confused
[23:38] <bazhang> bacar, whats the real question, please be clear
[23:38] <Autoclesis> Let me mess with it.
[23:38] <Zhoom> guess nobody can fix my ubuntu login screen issue. :p
[23:38] <Autoclesis> Thanks W3ird_N3rd  and Zhoom
[23:38] <Autoclesis> :0
[23:38] <Zhoom> ok.
[23:38] <W3ird_N3rd> it sounds more like windows
[23:38] <Autoclesis> bye
[23:39] <W3ird_N3rd> not sure though, not plugged USB mass storage in windows boxes for a while
[23:39] <Zhoom> if you don't know what OS you are running, please get off the computer and go sleep.
[23:39] <W3ird_N3rd> Zhoom, are you talking to me?
[23:39] <Zhoom> no.
[23:39] <W3ird_N3rd> I just don't remember seeing text like that in dmesg
[23:39] <Zhoom> If I was talking to you, I would of said your name.
[23:40] <W3ird_N3rd> so I'm wondering what he was using
[23:40] <Zhoom> he probably doesn't even know what OS he's running.
[23:40] <Zhoom> :|
[23:41] <W3ird_N3rd> Zhoom, it looks like it is something from Linux.. http://www.hackorama.com/pages/usb.shtml shows similar. But my Ubuntu doesn't show things like that
[23:41] <chase> haha, I royally screwed myself...my nvidia video card failed so I installed an ati one but cannot get it to boot even to a terminal no matter what I do....
[23:41] <chase> anyone got any ideas?
[23:42] <W3ird_N3rd> chase, what does it do?
[23:42] <chase> tried xforcevesa, single user mode....recovery mode....
[23:42] <chase> after grub loads the monitor stops recognizing a signal
[23:42] <W3ird_N3rd> ctrl+alt+f1?
[23:43] <stephenh> does anyone know what file firefox keeps it's cached passwords in?
[23:43] <photon> stephen123: #firefox
[23:43] <stephenh> nice ta
[23:43] <eTroll> Why Ubuntu sucks: No one can upgrade the software without an administrator password, so Ubuntu desktops in businesses end up with outdated web browsers.
[23:43] <bazhang> eTroll, wrong channel, really
[23:44] <eTroll> Because no business is paying someone to go in and upgrade the software.
[23:44] <photon> automatic updates?
[23:44] <eTroll> bazhang: Prove me wrong.
[23:44] <Zhoom> ^
[23:44] <Zhoom> there's auto updates.
[23:44] <eTroll> photon: Never enabled on any Ubuntu system in the field.
[23:44] <W3ird_N3rd> there are no ops here to kick trolls, are there?
[23:44] <ikonia> eTroll: please talk about something you know about, instead of talking nonsense
[23:44] <bazhang> eTroll, wrong place for nonsense, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:44] <stephenh> who wouldn't have sudo on their own workstation ?!
[23:44] <ikonia> bazhang: nonsense isn't welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:44] <photon> eTroll: that's not our problem.
[23:44] <ikonia> eTroll: do you have a support question to do with ubuntu ?
[23:44] <Zhoom> probably not.
[23:45] <stephenh> eTroll: and if they used a configuration management application like puppet (like LOADS do)
[23:45] <stephenh> they could centrally deploy packages
[23:45] <Zhoom> yo, just forget about it.
[23:45] <W3ird_N3rd> stephenh, don't feed the troll
[23:45] <photon> don't feed the etroll.
[23:45] <stephenh> simples.
[23:45] <eTroll> ikonia: How to get http://www.madonnashots.com/mo7912.jpg to print for perverse purposes involving heavy breathing and licking.
[23:45] <Zhoom> not feeding him will make him starve, and eventually die.  They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
[23:46] <sdasdas> what is libexec?
[23:46] <stephenh> W3ird_N3rd: i have lots of experience :p
[23:46]  * stephenh used to be one of them
[23:46] <W3ird_N3rd> stephenh, not at that level (I hope)
[23:47] <stephenh> but to be fair, it should be in off topic as it has no relevence to this channel's purpose
[23:47] <chase> gah, I really dont want to have to reinstall ubuntu just to get my graphics working
[23:47] <stephenh> no answer in #firefox :\
[23:47] <stephenh> really need that cached password from my work pc
[23:47] <W3ird_N3rd> chase, did you try ctrl+alt+f1?
[23:47] <chase> yes, didn't work
[23:48] <W3ird_N3rd> chase, can you boot some rescue cd?
[23:48] <sdasdas> what is libexec? (a directory)
[23:48] <chase> I could burn a live cd, yeah.
[23:48] <stephenh> nm, got my answer :)
[23:48] <chase> what would I be able to do from a live cd?
[23:48] <sdasdas> is it some ubuntu proprietary extension?
[23:49] <W3ird_N3rd> chase, if you can boot a rescue cd (best to make a CDRW, these things outdate far too quick) (or USB) you can look at /etc/grub/default
[23:49] <W3ird_N3rd> since your screen goes black right after grub, there's probably some funky stuff in your kernel bootline
[23:49] <chase> I can edit grub. It boots to grub, just the second I pick any option, even single user made or xforcevesa, I lose a signal.
[23:49] <W3ird_N3rd> if there is and you remove it, run update-grub
[23:50] <W3ird_N3rd> hmm oh wait for that you need the system to actually run (or chroot)
[23:50] <W3ird_N3rd> you can boot grub with a custom line
[23:50] <W3ird_N3rd> there perhaps you can remove whatever is messing things up
[23:52] <W3ird_N3rd> booting some alternative media you could blacklist nvidia, but I don't know if that would work
[23:52] <chase> recover mode worked if I removed $linux_gfx_mode from it
[23:52] <chase> odd
[23:54] <W3ird_N3rd> chase, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/685611 ?
[23:56] <sdasdas> is there a command to see dependantr libraries for some file?
[23:56] <W3ird_N3rd> chase, looks like you should post that thread, maybe that'll reactivate it
[23:57] <chase> will do that in a sec
[23:58] <chase> seeing if I can boot with xforcevesa with that line removed......looks like the answer is no, only works for single user mode.
[23:58] <mkanyicy> sdasdas: ldd?
[23:59] <mkanyicy> sdasdas: have you given that a shot?
[23:59] <sdasdas> yes, that's what was needed


[10:44] <balsaq> here is some ubuntu wallpaper for the next edition of ubuntu https://imgur.com/a/Mn3C5q7


[03:47] <Ionic> what's the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-app-devel?
[04:24] <Snow-Man> this one is better
[04:24] <Snow-Man> (I have no idea)
[04:28] <RAOF> Ionic: From /topic - “Devel of Ubuntu (not support or app devel)”.
[04:36] <Ionic> RAOF: yes, but what is "app development" specifically?
[04:36] <RAOF> Development of apps that run on Ubuntu?
[04:36] <Ionic> if I have problems with the ubuntu build system for building a package, where do I ask?
[04:36] <RAOF> Particularly: Ubuntu Touch apps.
[04:37] <RAOF> #ubuntu-app-devel
[04:37] <RAOF> Unless you're developing a component of Ubuntu, this is not (the best) channel for you :)
[04:37] <Ionic> (more like dh_* stuff, but the problem seems to be ubuntu-specific)
[04:38] <Ionic> ok, thanks
[04:38] <RAOF> Hm, dh_ stuff is more this channel's forte.
[04:38] <RAOF> What's seems to be your problem?
[04:39] <Ionic> well, I have a rather complex source package with multiple subpackages
[04:39] <Ionic> some libraries, some binaries, some data stuff
[04:39] <Ionic> one of those binaries naturally depends on libraries build off that source package
[04:40] <RAOF> As is so often the case, yes...
[04:40] <Ionic> dependencies are added via dh_makeshlibs/dh_shlibdeps... which works okay-ish for Debian, but seems to be problematic on Ubuntu for some reason
[04:40] <Ionic> the dependencies are "okay", but incomplete
[04:40] <RAOF> That's odd; we don't change that infrastructure to any great extent.
[04:40] <Ionic> not really incomplete more like... minimal
[04:41] <Ionic> a dependency on other_pkg is added that depends on lib_pkg{1,2,3}
[04:41] <Ionic> our Debian package also depends on lib_pkg{1,2,3} directly
[04:42] <RAOF> Ah.
[04:42] <Ionic> the issue is weird, I'm currently using override_dh_* to run dh_makeshlibs -- -dV and dh_shlibdeps -- -v
[04:42] <Ionic> (for getting more useful information)
[04:42] <RAOF> Does base_pkg link directly with lib_pkg{1,2,3}, or does it only link with other_pkg?
[04:42] <Ionic> I can show you what I mean once the pbuilder run is through
[04:42] <Ionic> it links directly with lib_pkg{1,2,3}, that's the weird thing
[04:43] <Ionic> it looks like Ubuntu optimizes this stuff, while Debian is fine leaving it unoptimized
[04:43] <RAOF> Does it use any symbols from lib_pkg{1,2,3}?
[04:43] <RAOF> (Directly)
[04:44] <RAOF> Because we do indeed by default not add transitive dependencies of that nature.
[04:44] <RAOF> (Although neither will Debian at some point)
[04:44] <Ionic> of that I'm not sure
[04:44] <Ionic> meh
[04:44] <Ionic> -dV was a mistake, now my build failed
[04:45] <Ionic> dpkg-gensymbols probably wants -d -V for some reason
[04:46] <Ionic> RAOF: just for reference, can I force Ubuntu to add transitive dependencies?
[04:46] <Ionic> although, to be honest, I do not understand why the specific user ran into problems anyway
[04:47] <Ionic> as transitive dependencies should still be fulfilled by minimized dependencies
[04:47] <RAOF> Ionic: dpkg-shlibdeps *should* be adding a dependency for everything in your DT_NEEDED sections.
[04:47] <RAOF> (As dumped by objdump -x /path/to/your/thingy | grep NEEDED)
[04:47] <Ionic> thanks, that will be handy
[04:48] <Ionic> aha!
[04:48] <Ionic> the three libraries are not showing up in DT_NEEDED
[04:49] <Ionic> that's rather new though... older versions of the software have them in DT_NEEDED, so we probably broke something(?)
[04:50] <RAOF> This likely means that the program doesn't use symbols from those libraries directly, and our default flags pass --as-needed throug to the linker.
[04:50] <RAOF> Or possibly you broke something :)
[04:50] <Ionic> ah
[04:51] <Ionic> well, I can "bisect" at least
[04:51] <RAOF> --as-needed shouldn't change program behaviour, though, because you'll still load the libraries, just indirectly.
[04:51] <Ionic> so that's very helpful, thank you
[04:51] <Ionic> when was -Wl,-as-needed introduced?
[04:51] <RAOF> Quite a while ago.
[04:52] <RAOF> 2010 :)
[04:52] <Ionic> weird... my gentoo system is also listing the libraries in DT_NEEDED
[04:52] <Ionic> and AFAIK it also uses -Wl,-as-needed by default
[04:54] <RAOF> Also, -as-needed looks like it was a Wheezy Debian goal :)
[04:55] <Ionic> so, probably not the cause of this
[04:55] <RAOF> That's looking likely, yse.
[04:57] <Ionic> does launchpad PPA have an automatic version history, or is that up to the group/person?
[04:59] <RAOF> Up to the group/person.
[04:59] <RAOF> It'll keep old binaries around for a small time, but it's pretty aggressively reaped.
[05:01] <Ionic> http://pastie.org/private/qhuvueripuwkld2daiyna definitely linking against libNX_{damage,tst,composite} ... and not even using -Wl,-as-needed
[05:09] <Ionic> hmhmhm.
[05:09] <Ionic> our release builds are still fine, only nightlies are affected
[05:09] <Ionic> according to https://launchpad.net/~x2go/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+files/nxagent_<IP_ADDRESS>-0%7E605%7Eubuntu14.04.1_amd64.deb anyway
[05:10] <Ionic> unpacking and examining leads to "NEEDED               libNX_Xdamage.so.1" etc., which is fine
[05:10] <Ionic> ok, now... what did I break?
[05:11] <RAOF> :)
[05:16] <Ionic> the only changes are related to the client part, and adding pointer guards to the server code...
[05:23] <Ionic> weird, I cannot reproduce that
[05:24] <Ionic> building myself via pbuilder-dist trusty leads to the same missing libraries in DT_NEEDED
[05:25] <Ionic> off the <IP_ADDRESS> release branch ofc
[05:35] <Ionic> just to make sure I didn't mess up by using the upstream git repo, I've checked out the bzr branch (bzr branch lp:~x2go/x2go/nx-libs_build-main), ran dpkg-buildpackage -S and am now running pbuilder-dist trusty ../nx-libs_<IP_ADDRESS>-0x2go1.dsc again
[05:35] <Ionic> it's missing the "ubuntu..." tag, but I believe this to be a non-issue
[05:38] <Ionic> 'lo and behold... same issue
[05:38] <Ionic> at this point I can only assume it's caused by something ubuntu-internal
[05:43] <RAOF> Ionic: Hm. Feel free to pastebin the pbuilder log or something.
[05:43] <Ionic> uh, that's huge
[05:44] <RAOF> True :)
[05:44] <RAOF> That's why it's in a pastebin!
[05:44]  * RAOF is going to make dinner now, but will be back later.
[05:45] <StevenK> RAOF: Dinner at quarter to 4?
[05:46] <RAOF> *Making* dinner. It then gets to simmer gently until we want to eat it!
[05:49] <Ionic> well, that crashed my terminal.
[05:50] <Ionic> www.ionic.de/x2go/ubuntu-pbuilder-paste.gz
[06:21] <Ionic> I'll need to go to bed, but I'll read the backlog
[06:21] <Ionic> oh, one more thing maybe
[06:22] <Ionic> https://launchpad.net/~x2go/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+build/7083881/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.nx-libs_2%3A<IP_ADDRESS>-0%7E605%7Eubuntu14.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz < this is the build log for the "same" build on launchpad about a month ago (2015-03-17)
[06:24] <Ionic> and the package created through that is fine, seriously. https://launchpad.net/~x2go/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+files/nxagent_<IP_ADDRESS>-0%7E605%7Eubuntu14.04.1_amd64.deb < that's the file created by that build
[06:24] <Ionic> feel free to unpack it and check with objdump
[06:44] <ricotz> flexiondotorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plank/+bug/1443773
[07:13] <RAOF> pitti: Good morning! Would you like to upload a new colord to experimental?
[07:15] <seb128> RAOF, hyey, he's in Texas this week, maybe not up yet
[07:15] <RAOF> seb128: Oho!
[07:15] <RAOF> Well, that invitation is open to all DDs :)
[07:20] <seb128> RAOF, sorry, I don't have a debian install to build binaries and Debian doesn't accept source uploads, maybe Laney can help when he gets online in 40min or so
[07:20] <RAOF> seb128: Oh, no urgency.
[07:29] <tjaalton> RAOF: I can do that :)
[08:01] <darkxst> cjwatson, hi, is user-setup in ubuntu forked from debian? we have a bug with Automatic Login option, but that code does not exist in debian. see bug 1412791
[08:03] <darkxst> cjwatson, and relevant code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/user-setup/noTimedLogin/revision/284
[09:21] <Odd_Bloke> How can I map between Ubuntu versions and codenames in Python?  I'm struggling to get Google to produce anything useful.
[09:26] <jamespage> Odd_Bloke, python-distro-info
[09:28] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: Ah, thanks. Is there documentation for it anywhere?
[09:30] <jamespage> Odd_Bloke, "pydoc distro_info"
[09:30] <jamespage> ;-)
[09:31] <jamespage> Odd_Bloke, UbuntuDistroInfo is probably the class you're interested in
[09:37] <Odd_Bloke> jamespage: Great, thanks!
[09:53] <Anupkumar> can any one help me with this bug? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89711
[10:47] <Riddell> pitti: can you say why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html should a bunch of regressions on kde bits but when I look at the public links it's all green ?
[10:49] <Laney> Riddell: Looks like it hasn't synced from the machine which runs them to jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <Laney> Riddell: I pinged the people who should be able to see
[10:52] <Laney> (#ubuntu-ci-eng)
[10:53] <Riddell> thanks Laney
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi folks :)
[10:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> ginggs, sometimes people give thanks to developers
[10:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> and this is for you :)
[10:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1443152/comments/4
[11:03] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg1: it was all your handiwork :)
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> there is no work without a sponsor ;)
[12:17] <cjwatson> darkxst: Automatic login is an Ubuntu addition to user-setup, yes.  It should be reasonably clear from the changelog.
[12:18] <cjwatson> darkxst: You should branch from and propose merges into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/user-setup/ubuntu, not lp:user-setup.
[12:18] <cjwatson> darkxst: Then the MP might be comprehensible :-)
[12:19] <cjwatson> I suspect you just need to resubmit that MP with the correct target branch.
[12:38] <smoser> pitti, wolfe is back
[12:38] <smoser> sorry, i was on holiday yesterday
[13:24] <strikov> Hey guys. Is it possible that /run/systemd/system/ folder disappears from time to time? We're trying to fix juju bug where it can't detect systemd *from time to time* by checking if this path exists.
[13:24] <strikov> I suspect that the issue is somewhere else but want to make sure that we don't do anything very wrong.
[13:26] <rbasak> strikov: you know that /run disappears on boot, right?
[13:27] <strikov> rbasak: yeah, i observe this issue by running juju bootstrap multiple times
[13:28] <strikov> rbasak: so i don't think that reboot is our problem
[13:28] <pitti> Good morning!
[13:28] <pitti> smoser: cheers
[13:28] <pitti> Riddell: I think the public jenkins is ridiculously behind
[13:28] <pitti> RAOF: ah, can do; just from git?
[13:31] <pitti> Riddell: I retried a bunch of failed tests this morning
[13:31] <pitti> there's still a couple of them left, I'll keep retrying
[13:32] <pitti> RAOF: want to push a release tag?
[13:33] <pitti> RAOF: ah, collab-main, I'll do it I guess
[13:35] <strikov> morning pitti; i just integrated your 'switch to upstart' adt code into juju-1.22.1 (1.23 won't be ready before release); it works nicely but I wonder if it's possible to run this code once during testbed setup; Right now I do this switch at the very beginning of every test and it looks messy;
[13:37] <cjwatson> bdrung: Would you mind if I uploaded an sbuild merge?  There's a bug fix in Debian that affects building d-i
[13:37] <bdrung_work> cjwatson, not at all!
[13:38] <cjwatson> bdrung_work: Thanks.  We're very close to being able to run modern sbuild in Launchpad and it'd be nice to be using a package from Ubuntu for the purpose :-)
[13:38] <pitti> strikov: (sprint meeting going on, let's discuss later)
[13:39] <strikov> pitti: sure, thanks
[13:40] <bdrung_work> cjwatson, why are Debian and Ubuntu have problems to use the packages from the repositories on their build machines?
[13:53] <cjwatson> bdrung_work: Debian has a load of changes to buildd, nothing significant to sbuild
[13:55] <cjwatson> bdrung_work: In Ubuntu's case the main blocker has been patches for ddebs, but we're almost over that hump now
[14:16] <rbasak> pitti: fyi, bug 1431581 looks like it is due to systemd switch, based on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nis/3.17-32ubuntu2 from slangasek
[14:17] <pitti> rbasak: queueing, thakns
[14:23] <pitti> RAOF: uploaded and release tag pushed
[14:25] <pitti> Laney: can I ask you to review/accept my apport upload? important security update
[14:27] <pitti> infinity1: or you &^
[14:29] <infinity1> pitti: Looking.
[14:29] <pitti> Laney, infinity1: ah, stgraber is looking already
[14:30]  * Laney nods
[14:31] <infinity1> pitti: You should normalize your TZ when generating ChangeLog.
[14:32] <stgraber> apparently there's no bzr flag for it (we just checked)
[14:32] <pitti> yeah, sorry about that massive changelog diff
[14:32] <pitti> perhaps I can call bzr log with $TZ or so
[14:32] <infinity> stgraber: No, but there's an environ... Yeah.
[14:35] <pitti> infinity, stgraber: fixed in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/revision/2945, so from now one this shouldn't happen any more
[14:36] <pitti> except for the next upload which will put the changelog timestamps back
[14:43] <infinity> pitti: Ta.  That drives me nuts.
[14:52] <pitti> infinity: is a final full langpack upload okay for next Monday? We often/usually do that on Monday (final translation deadline), but just checking
[14:53] <pitti> we'll get a cron'ed export on Monday; if we need/want it earlier, I'll ask the LP guys to kick off a manual run
[15:39] <pitti> wgrant: can we do a manual full vivid langpack export on Thursday, so that we can upload the final packs on Fri?
[15:39] <pitti> wgrant: I think the cron would only give them to us on Monday, which is too late
[15:39] <pitti> seb128: FYI, we just got a langpack update for vivid, so cron is working again
[15:40] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[16:03] <mdeslaur> kees, infinity, stgraber, slangasek: meeting?
[16:03] <pitti> kees: TB meeting?
[16:56] <arges> hallyn_: bug 1444057 fyi
[18:15] <smoser> arges, does that really only fail inside a vm ?
[18:22] <cyphermox> kirkland: could you please check if /usr/lib/pulse-6.0/modules contains module-bluez5-discover.so?
[18:27] <arges> smoser: it fails outside a vm, i'm trying to debug a vm
[18:28] <smoser> ok. that makes more sense.
[18:28] <smoser> "in a guest vm" was confusing in the subject of the bug.
[18:29] <arges> smoser: i'll fix that=
[18:29] <arges> gdb remote target of a guest VM fails to continue Edit
[18:30] <smoser> :)
[18:59] <hartmans> Hi.  I made a backport request (LP: #1439215) and unfortunately the person resolving that didn't act on the debdiff I attached.  The package builds but is useless without the package.
[19:00] <hartmans> I could use help with the right procedure to request a new upload with the diff applied.
[19:00] <hartmans> Should I use the existing bug or a new bug and if a new bug, on the package or on the backports project?
[19:26] <cjwatson> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/ddeb-retriever/lp-fetch/+merge/256192
[19:27] <cjwatson> debfx: ^- Could you look at hartmans's request above, since you processed that backport?
[19:28] <cjwatson> hartmans: if it were me I would reopen the bug on the grounds that it wasn't completely acted upon
[19:29] <hartmans> If I do that should I attach a new debdiff to update version and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors?
[19:29] <hartmans> Also, do sponsor requests need a debdiff or is a branch link acceptable?
[19:29] <cjwatson> hartmans: Shouldn't be necessary; any sponsor should be able to cope with trivial reformatting
[19:29] <cjwatson> hartmans: And ditto I'd expect a sponsor to be able to cope with grabbing a patch from any roughly reasonable source
[19:30] <cjwatson> (I'm not saying that definitely nobody will be jobsworth about it, but ...)
[19:33] <debfx> hartmans: sorry, must have missed that. I'll upload a new version.
[19:35] <cjwatson> pitti: We should manually create .lp-threshold for the first run set to something reasonable, say today's date, so that we don't have to scan back through everything
[19:36] <pitti> cjwatson: agreed
[19:36] <pitti> cjwatson: I didn't look through it with a fine comb again, but this looks very similar to the changes I've reviewed some two weeks ago?
[19:36] <cjwatson> pitti: Yes, it's just bug-fixes since then
[19:36] <cjwatson> pitti: And the order_by_date=True stuff which was a result of LP reviews
[19:36] <pitti> cjwatson: so if you feel good about it, please feel free to merge
[19:37] <pitti> or rather, push, for cleaner history
[19:38] <cjwatson> pitti: will do, thanks!
[19:38] <pitti> thanks to you!
[19:40] <hartmans> debfx: thanks much.
[19:40] <cjwatson> pitti: Done; please yell if cronspam explodes
[19:41] <cjwatson> pitti: Otherwise I believe we can now flip the switch right after vivid
[19:42] <pitti> cjwatson: did you already roll it out? (cron doesn't bzr pull)
[19:42] <cjwatson> pitti: Yes
[19:42] <pitti> ah, good
[19:42] <cjwatson> And I did date -d 2015-04-14 +%s >/srv/ddebs.ubuntu.com/www/.lp-threshold
[19:42] <pitti> cjwatson: so we should spot-check some ddebs which are being uploaded today
[19:42] <cjwatson> Right, it should be a no-op at the moment but worth confirming
[20:25] <Ionic> so... any help with the DT_NEEDED situation would be greatly appreciated
[21:43] <Ionic> for debian, there's this stuff called... snapshots?
[21:44] <Ionic> unstable is typically snapshotted and the state of a specific day archived
[21:44] <Ionic> I don't know if the same holds for testing and stable, though
[21:44] <Ionic> and if that is applicable to Ubuntu in any way
[21:45] <Ionic> if I could build a base image via pbuilder-dist ... create from a specific "snapshot repo", that might be helping in debugging my issue
[21:45] <Ionic> (yes, I'm kinda desperate)
[21:47] <infinity> Ionic: Not at all discounting that snapshotting would be useful, I'm not sure how it would help much here.
[21:47] <infinity> Ionic: If your build system is producing underlinked binaries, that's generally your build system's fault.
[21:50] <Ionic> infinity: I would like it to be, but I don't see any way how that may be the case
[21:51] <Ionic> infinity: checking out the bzr branch that was used for building the packages a month ago, using dpkg-buildpackage -S and pbuilder-dist trusty foo.dsc is precisely recreating the missing lib dependency situation, while the packages built on launchpad a month ago don't have that bug
[21:52] <Ionic> from the same branch and everything
[21:52] <Ionic> the nightlies show this weird behavior, and also they are built from master, there were no changes that would explain this behavior
[21:54] <Ionic> I've been thinking about triggering a rebuild of the latest release on launchpad, but that would mean removing the "good" packages and potentially replacing them with the "bad" ones if the bug is indeed reproducable
[21:57] <cjwatson> Ionic: You can always create a separate PPA for that kind of test.
[21:57] <Ionic> under my account, maybe?
[21:58] <Ionic> I have only been working with launchpad the past two days, so I'm still very unknowing of how to upload a package correctly, copy a build recipe and stuff
[22:02] <pitti> sforshee: bug 1444166
[22:03] <cjwatson> Ionic: It can have the same owner as the PPA you're presumably already using.
[22:03] <cjwatson> Ionic: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[22:04] <Ionic> cjwatson: the owner is a group currently (which I'm a member of, naturally)
[22:05] <Ionic> I'd just need to copy the stuff over into my own PPA to not disrupt the group
[22:07] <cjwatson> Ionic: Teams can have multiple PPAs too, but as you like.
[22:08] <cjwatson> Ionic: It'd be a copy either way.
[22:08] <Ionic> point is that I don't want to have a test build publicly visible on the team... pages, whatever
[22:09] <Ionic> I'll look into that, thank you
[22:09] <Ionic> is ubuntu<version> automatically added by launchpad without me having to do anything?
[22:10] <cjwatson> No.
[22:10] <cjwatson> The version is up to you.
[22:11] <Ionic> hum
[22:11] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[22:11] <Ionic> we do not add an ubuntu tag in our source explicitly
[22:11] <cjwatson> "ubuntu" has a special meaning in the primary Ubuntu archive.  It isn't required for PPAs, and is indeed potentially confusing/undesirable in some cases.
[22:12] <cjwatson> (that special meaning is precisely "this package has an Ubuntu delta and should not be overridden by an automatic sync of a newer version from Debian")
[22:13] <Ionic> ok
[22:13] <Ionic> for our packages, ubuntu<ubuntu-version> is being added, presumably to make the packages in the PPA unique
[22:13] <Ionic> for each dist
[22:14] <Ionic> I thought that to be standard behavior when building for multiple dists
[22:18] <Ionic> 36
[22:18] <Ionic> ... wrong command, sorry
[22:19] <Unit193> Pingo!
[22:19] <Unit193> ..Bingo!
[22:29] <cjwatson> Ionic: That's reasonable, but Launchpad doesn't add it for you.  If it's not in your VCS, then some tool you're using is adding it.
[22:33] <Ionic> cjwatson: probably. I will have to investigate.
[23:02] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm?  It's added for recipe builds, is it not?
[23:03] <infinity> '--append-version',
[23:03] <infinity>             '~ubuntu%s.1' % distroseries_version], env=env)
[23:03] <infinity> cjwatson: I imagine that's what he was refering to.
[23:03] <Ionic> I was told that "launchpad adds this", but no further explanation (because I didn't care)
[23:04] <Ionic> yep, exactly :)
[23:04] <Ionic> that's what I'm seeing
[23:04] <infinity> Ionic: Yeah, that happens for recipes, but not for direct uploads.
[23:04] <infinity> Ionic: Direct uploads get whatever version you used in debian/changelog.
[23:05] <Ionic> well, the recipe is triggered by bzr updates which syncs with our git repository, or something like this
[23:08] <Ionic> (so, for reproducibly, I will also use recipes)
[23:10] <RAOF> pitti: Thanks muchly!
[23:15] <cjwatson> infinity,Ionic: Oh, right, yeah, recipes do it.
[23:15] <cjwatson> I always forget about those. :-)
[23:39] <pitti> RAOF: yw!
[23:46] <RAOF> pitti: Next colord job: work out why all the tests don't pass in an autopkgtest environment :)


[00:18] <valorie> gah, why do people leave
[00:18] <valorie> irc is where you LIVE
[00:27] <MarkDude> Im an American, I dont have all minute
[00:27] <MarkDude> :D
[00:31] <valorie> lol
[00:31] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to MarkDude
[00:31] <valorie> it's been awhile!
[00:31] <valorie> how are you?
[00:37] <MarkDude> Pretty well, had some fun stuff to deal with- the dental surgery was the least of my issues
[00:37] <MarkDude> Im baaaaaaack tho
[00:38] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152156111003805&set=vb.717333804&type=2&theater
[00:38]  * MarkDude "singing" in Filipino. Then again, I cant sing in native English.
[00:38] <MarkDude> Think you might get a kick out of it
[00:39] <valorie> listening
[00:39] <valorie> dental surgery....ugh
[00:40] <valorie> but better than letting such issues fester
[00:41] <MarkDude> Well yes, and there were bigger issues :)
[00:42] <valorie> it's been a long cold winter here too, in more ways than one
[00:43] <valorie> however, we're having our bathrooms redone, and the first half of the pain is nearly over, and the pleasure of a new bathroom has begun
[00:50] <MarkDude> Right on
[00:52] <MarkDude> Im deciding if I can make both OSCON/CLS and FLOCK (Fedora) in Prague
[00:52] <valorie> as my dad has been going downhill, I've been trying to always be moving ahead on some other front
[00:52] <valorie> helps keep my balance
[00:52] <MarkDude> Ah yes, Im dealing with Grandma and memory, luckily her health is ok
[00:53] <valorie> not sure about oscon/cls this year, since there is a book sprint I'm leading in Switzerland the first of August
[00:53] <valorie> and Akademy this year is in Brno, the first of Sept.
[00:53] <valorie> lots of travel
[00:53] <MarkDude> Good stuff, I missed out on Scale this year
[00:53] <valorie> my dad's memory seems mostly gone
[00:54] <valorie> the other night though, he said a whole sentence
[00:54] <MarkDude> Does he like watching tv?
[00:54] <valorie> might be the last one, since they have become more and more rare
[00:54] <valorie> I guess he watched the olympics once
[00:54] <valorie> about once a week the arts channel
[00:54] <valorie> I mean, this is when I'm there
[00:54] <MarkDude> When my Grandpa did not talk much, I found some old TV and radio shows he liked
[00:55] <valorie> I assume he watches more during the day
[00:55] <valorie> before, he was a fox news kinda guy
[00:55] <MarkDude> Ah, ok
[00:55] <valorie> thank god he's given up that crap
[00:55] <MarkDude> lol
[00:55] <valorie> so the arts chan is a shock
[00:56] <valorie> it's funny, we talk about living in the moment, and empty mind meditation
[00:56] <valorie> my dad now IS that
[00:56] <valorie> and I'm reassessing my ideals
[00:56] <MarkDude> I found Murder she Wrote on Hallmark, Gma loves it. We have a theory that Angela lansbury was serial killer and just framed folks
[00:57] <valorie> haha
[00:57] <valorie> I was listening to an author of murder mysteries, and he said he got into it because he felt that the other authors were always trying to protect the real murderer
[00:58] <valorie> lol
[00:58] <valorie> so of course the question is, does he do the same?
[00:58] <valorie> to which he said, I don't think so, but I think I leave it more open to the reader
[00:58] <valorie> which.....
[00:58] <valorie> haven't dipped into his books yet
[00:58] <valorie> I wish he could still read
[00:59] <valorie> that was the part we could share - love of history, and thinking about issues beyond partisanship
[00:59] <valorie> but i can't even read to him
[00:59] <valorie> he gets bored, because he immediately forgets
[00:59] <valorie> oops, dinner time....
[00:59] <valorie> ttyl
[00:59] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}} and good to see you here
[01:11] <MarkDude> No doubt, I wonder about sleuths now