[13:24] <gman> hi
[13:25] <gman> I seem to be have issue with juju etcd  3.2.9, is there a way to install a partitcular version like etcd 2.3.8


[12:25] <starlocke> does http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new count as a documentation responsibility...?
[12:30] <head_victim> I believe it's more Canonical? If there's issues with the content I've had luck reporting bugs against website-content on launchpad before.
[12:31] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content
[12:40] <starlocke> all right. i'll go through that channel. big ecosystem we've got... lol
[12:41] <head_victim> starlocke: there may be shorter options, but unless someone else pops in knowing them that's all I got sorry :) It does get there though
[13:13] <critch> There are some missing parts to https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ubuntucloud.html#ubuntu-cloud-install-nova.   Specifically, nova-cert has to be installed before you can manage users.
[13:13] <critch> There is also no section on adding the dashboard.
[15:26] <bobweaver> Hello there is there a reason why none of the wikis are working in chrome but are in firefox ?
[15:27] <bobweaver> we have #ubuntu-wiki  tried his and none of us can get to page keep getting apache error
[15:27] <bobweaver> or 505 or 404
[15:27] <bobweaver> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[15:28] <bobweaver> crap worng link
[15:28] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/210639
[15:28] <bobweaver> there we go
[15:28] <bobweaver> someone said log out and back in again but I can not log out if I can not get to page to log out
[15:42] <guntbert> I am not able to login to help.ubuntu.com/community (I am logged in to ubuntu SSO but then the site keeps me waiting "forever" and at last I get http://imagebin.org/210540 , AlanBell suggested the choice of my theme might be the cause. How can I change/reset my theme?
[15:42] <bobweaver> guntbert,  we will be talking about this at are meeting in 18 minutes on #ubuntu-wiki
[15:43] <guntbert> bobweaver: good to know, I will not be able to attend though but will find results in the logs :-)
[15:44] <bobweaver> guntbert,  do you have lp I could send log
[15:44] <bobweaver> we are new and bot has not showed up yet
[15:44] <bobweaver> I will paste log in Topic
[15:44] <bobweaver> of are channel :)
[15:44] <guntbert> bobweaver: my LP account is guntbert, thx
[15:46] <guntbert> bobweaver: how about you post a solution on the wiki itself?
[15:47] <bobweaver> we will see I am going to dig like crazy today trying to fix that
[15:48] <guntbert> bobweaver: :) - no worries, the immediate reason why I stumbled upon that is a "dead link" that I wanted to remove - on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Advanced, at the bottom, "Using your browser as SSH client" leads to a parking site.
[17:11] <peppe84> Hi. I need an information about h.u.c/12.04/ubuntu-help/ There is a procedure that automatically updates the translations? How do you manage the upgrade process?


[18:43] <claydoh> Hello from Maine! I may be moving to Savannah, and would like to be a part of  the LoCo if I do


[13:17] <toabctl> how can i restart a daemon automatically after a package update? i tried "initctl restart myupstartjobname" but that does not work. any ideas?
[13:23] <JanC> judging from your hostname mask you use Ubuntu, so you should be able to look how other packages in Ubuntu do that?
[13:26] <JanC> (I think you should shut it down when removing the old package & starting the new one after installing the new package, instead of doing a restart)


[12:07] <Tonio_> Lure: packages are on the testing repo
[12:09] <Lure> should we advertise them to people in bugs?
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I think you can ;)
[12:11] <Tonio_> packages may receive only very minor changes now
[12:12] <Lure> do you plan to add pptp too?
[12:15] <Tonio_> hum....
[12:15] <Tonio_> don't know
[12:15] <Tonio_> isn't that going to double the stuff with kppp ?
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: and is knetworkmanager able to handle that ? since it is designed to use the yast ppp features
[12:17] <Lure> good question... but not much of code anyway in knm, so I suspect it depends on n-m
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure: I think both ubuntu and kubuntu have good softwares to work with ppp/pptp actually
[12:19] <Tonio_> so that can be differed to dapper+1 maybe..
[12:20] <Lure> probably yes, I just wanted to point out as VPN support in n-m is seens as all three of them...
[12:41] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:41] <Lure> good nite
[09:58] <\sh> hmmm..does anyone has a compilable knetworkmanager package? :)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> \sh: what, the one in universe or main?
[09:59] <freeflying> \sh: it's in universe nw
[09:59] <\sh> knetworkmanager cant be installed
[10:00] <Hobbsee> network-manager-kde
[10:00] <\sh> grmpf
[10:00] <\sh> what a name
[10:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:01] <Hobbsee> to fit in with network-manager-gnome
[10:01] <Hobbsee> confusing though
[10:02] <\sh> well...the naming scheme is useless, when the programm is named knetworkmanager
[10:02] <Hobbsee> true
[10:02] <\sh> well, there should be a meta package with network-manager-kde and the real package knetworkmanager
[10:03] <\sh> which makes more sense in my POV
[10:04] <freeflying> \sh: that's sound well
[10:05] <\sh> I'll file a bug report...
[10:10] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/39842
[10:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39842 in knetworkmanager "Totally useless naming convention" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping
[10:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: pong
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: see previous stuff - your domain, is it not?
[10:17] <jpatrick> Lure: tried to split the beagle package yesterday; result vritual impossible
[10:17] <Lure> \sh - we just follow Debian on this
[10:18] <\sh> is debian the answer? I don't think so :)
[10:18] <Lure> There are many n-m packages and they all have common n-m prefix
[10:19] <Lure> \sh - Riddell told us to follow debian as much as possible, so we did
[10:19] <\sh> yes, but if you are searching the web, you won't find any network-manager-kde stuff...so the most logical way is apt-get install knetworkmanager :)
[10:19] <Lure> \sh - I will talk with Riddell what to do about
[10:19] <Lure> I have to run now... ;-)
[10:20] <\sh> I know the rationals :) yes...but from a user perspective it's quite better to have a meta package with the original name
[10:27] <kwwii> moin
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii
[10:28] <jpatrick> nice hostname
[10:28] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:30] <kwwii> Riddell: did you get my mail with the boot images?
[11:38] <Tonio_> hey all ;)
[11:39] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[11:40] <Tonio_> \sh: just read your email concerning knetworkmanager.... I must say your opinion on this is nice ;)
[11:41] <Tonio_> I'm just working on the package on that point
[11:41] <jpatrick> hi
[11:42] <Tonio_> hey jpatrick:)
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: yep
[11:44] <\sh> Tonio_: well...I just read about it while I was searching for a kde frontend for network manager, found knetworkmanager, checked revu, tried apt-get install knetworkmanager, no package available...
[11:44] <Tonio_> \sh: that's true :)
[11:45] <\sh> Tonio_: so, from the users perspective, there should be a meta package with the original name of the application, and not with a "oh we have to follow debian and gnome stuff"
[11:45] <Tonio_> \sh: should work now, fancy looking at the package structure ?
[11:45] <Tonio_> I'm not very used to build transitionnal packages :)
[11:45] <\sh> just an entry in the control file :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> \sh: yes, but anyway, I like people to look at my work before uploading :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> let me pastebin
[11:45] <\sh> btw..the revu package is not buildable in the moment, right?
[11:46] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/664641
[11:46] <Tonio_> can you just look at this :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> \sh: the revu package is completly outdated ;)
[11:47] <\sh> jepp...that's it...but the long description should mention the naming convention
[11:47] <\sh> and it's not a transitional package :)
[11:48] <\sh> more a meta package :)
[11:48] <Tonio_> yup, that's was just to build, I now have to clean descs ;)
[11:50] <Tonio_> Metapackage installing knetworkmanager, designed to fit with the
[11:50] <Tonio_>  network-manager components naming convention
[11:50] <Tonio_> is that better ?
[11:51] <\sh> yepp
[11:51] <\sh> and amarok is somewhat ill and broken arg
[11:52] <\sh> it should reread the asound.conf file every time it's started
[11:52] <\sh> or well, it's the xine engine
[11:52] <Tonio_> \sh: which version ?
[11:53] <\sh> any version:)
[11:53] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:54] <\sh> troubles with the headset...after reboot it's there..when I unplug it, it's not there anymore, so I have to change asoundrc to match new defaults
[11:54] <\sh> or change the xine engine settings in amarok, which I can't because no default card :) which was my headset
[11:55] <Tonio_> weird....
[12:12] <pygi> Tonio_: knetorkmanager deb file? :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> pygi: yes
[12:15] <Tonio_> and network-manager-kde is now a metapackage depending it
[12:15] <Tonio_> much better
[12:15] <pygi> it's not knetorkmanager for sure ) :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> hu ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> where did I do that name error ?
[12:16] <pygi> the list :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> ho !!!
[12:16] <pygi> btw. Happy Easter :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> sorry for this ;) you may have understood by yourself ;)
[12:16] <pygi> yes, I know, just wanted to joke you around :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> pygi: I'm not catholic, but happy easter too ;)
[12:17] <pygi> ah, sorry then Tonio_ :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> pygi: no pb ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> that doesn't prevent me from eating chocolate ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> but to me easter isn't more than eating chocolate eggs ;)
[12:21] <\sh> thx Tonio_ :)
[12:21] <Tonio_> \sh: for what ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> knm ?
[12:25] <\sh> Tonio_: for the fastest bugclosing ever :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> \sh: lol :)
[12:26] <pygi> :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> I noticed bogofilter isn't installed by default anymore.......
[12:28] <Tonio_> should we ship it automatically to make it easier for users to configure kmail propperly ?
[12:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: it was under Breezy, huh?
[12:29] <OdyX> Tonio_: I think we should.
[12:29] <Tonio_> OdyX: that's my feeling too :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> well I'm going to add a note for the next kubuntu meeting on that point ;)
[12:30] <OdyX> Tonio_: which is planned in 10 days, huh ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> yup
[12:32] <pygi> Tonio_: where do I sign up for the meeting?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> pygi: sign up?  you turn up,,,
[12:32] <Tonio_> pygi: simply come ;)
[12:32] <pygi> will do =P
[12:33] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[12:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: UTC = GMT ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> yup
[12:34] <Tonio_> apt-get moo
[12:34] <pygi> joy, middle of night :P
[12:34] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[12:34] <Tonio_> just discovered this ;)
[12:34] <jpatrick> go greenwich!!!
[12:36] <Tonio_> aptitude moo works too ;)
[12:36] <Tonio_> as aptitude -v moo, aptitu -vv, moo aptitude -vvv moo
[12:36] <Tonio_> they have time for this.......... hehe
[12:37] <OdyX> Tonio_: un lphant qui se fait manger par un serpent ?
[12:37] <OdyX> :D
[12:38] <Tonio_> OdyX: ;)
[12:45] <Tonio_> \sh: I was thinking about file association
[12:45] <Tonio_> \sh: actually, the latest package installed is prior to others, and the result is kaffeine opens audio files by default
[12:46] <Tonio_> \sh: do you think I should change this to open them with amarok ? In my opinion that's better
[12:46] <\sh> well, for audio files amarok should be the default
[12:48] <Tonio_> \sh: I'm implementing this in k-d-s
[12:48] <Tonio_> will be done in 15 minutes
[12:49] <Tonio_> \sh: the problem is that package is the one on which I spend most of my time, and I can't upload it myself............
[12:49] <\sh> I can't upload it either :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> \sh: sent the debdiff to Riddell, we have to wait for upload now ;)
[01:11] <Tonio_> \sh: any idea who may I ping for main inclusion reports ?
[01:11] <Tonio_> we have lots of them waiting.......
[01:12] <\sh> kamion or mdz :)
[01:12] <freeflying> Tonio_:  seems you'd apply for core-dev
[01:13] <Tonio_> freeflying: I'm wau too light for this :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> way
[01:13] <Tonio_> freeflying: depends who is managing the meeting ;)
[01:13] <freeflying> hehe
[01:14] <Tonio_> freeflying: for example raphink didn't have mdz to face him when he subscribed ;)
[01:14] <Tonio_> freeflying: but as far as I know, when mdz is there.............. it is not really easy ;)
[01:14] <freeflying> Tonio_: :)
[01:14] <Tonio_> I would be ridiculous ;)
[01:14] <Tonio_> \sh: isn't it ? ;)
[01:15] <Tonio_> \sh: as you did it, you may know better than I do :)
[01:15] <\sh> na it's ok :) mdz is doing the right thing to interview the candidates correctly :)
[01:16] <Tonio_> \sh: I didn't say it wasn't nice ;) I was just saying that I would be ridiculous if I tried ;)
[01:16] <Tonio_> \sh: core-dev required knowledge I don't have, honnestly
[01:16] <freeflying> Tonio_: why don't you have a try , maybe it will be easier
[01:17] <Tonio_> \sh: unless I have some chance ;) raphink for example didn't have ANY question when he applyed as core-dev ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> freeflying: maybe in a few month, but honnestly, my place is in MOTU actually ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> I am one of the most actives kubuntu-devs
[01:17] <Tonio_> and that's fine ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> I don't need more
[01:18] <freeflying> Tonio_: kubuntu team need more
[01:18] <Tonio_> unless there is a real need for new core-devs
[01:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying: that is true.  but not pressure him
[01:18] <Hobbsee> s/not/dont
[01:18] <Tonio_> freeflying: I may ask Riddell(s opinion on this
[01:18] <\sh> Tonio_: then he was lucky that day :)
[01:18] <freeflying> Hobbsee: Tonio_ is the right candidate for kubuntu now
[01:18] <Tonio_> I think I need to spend a few weeks reading the debian policy and reading docs on debhelper first
[01:19] <Hobbsee> true
[01:19] <Tonio_> my packaging skills are too limited
[01:19] <Tonio_> and I'm not a developper
[01:19] <Tonio_> so if I can't code, I need to at least be a better packager that I am
[01:19] <freeflying> Tonio_:  ++
[01:19] <Tonio_> I contribute a lot, but on easy stuff...
[01:20] <Tonio_> \sh: your opinion ?
[01:20] <freeflying> also kubuntu need more MOTUs
[01:20] <Tonio_> raphink already told me about trying to apply for core-dev
[01:20] <Tonio_> according to him, if he is core-dev, there is no reason I'm not
[01:20] <Tonio_> but honnestly, I may not have the chance he had when he applyede ;)
[01:21] <Tonio_> no Kamion, no mdz, no elmo :)
[01:21] <Tonio_> that will not hapen everyday :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping?
[01:21] <Tonio_> freeflying: I agree it needs more motus :)
[01:21] <freeflying> Tonio_: just have a try
[01:22] <Tonio_> freeflying: maybe in 3 month......
[01:22] <Tonio_> I will then have no job, and time to prepare for this
[01:22] <Tonio_> but I don't want to bet on chance and saying "I hope kamion and mdz will not be there"
[01:22] <Tonio_> if I do it, I wanna be ready for this ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> I took my time to become member, and same for motu :)
[01:23] <freeflying> heh, I apply twice , then got approved
[01:24] <Tonio_> I was approved first time, but that was special :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> for example for motu, I had a hudge package list, that helped
[01:25] <Tonio_> I would prefer kubuntu to get more motus than another coredev ;)
[01:25] <Tonio_> that's prior in my opinion
[01:25] <freeflying> also core-dev
[01:26] <Tonio_> there are 2 actually. should be enough till dapper is out
[01:26] <Tonio_> then we'll see ;)
[01:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping ?
[01:26] <freeflying> when will beta out ?
[01:27] <Tonio_> freeflying: wendesday or thursday
[01:27] <freeflying> I'd have a test on ppc
[01:29] <Tonio_> freeflying: are you motu ?
[01:29] <freeflying> Tonio_: ya
[01:30] <Tonio_> cool ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> though you were still a member only
[01:32] <OdyX> Tonio_: "member only" ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> OdyX: ubuntu member
[01:32] <Tonio_> first grade when motu is another one ;)
[01:32] <OdyX> Tonio_: possible to be Ubuntu member without being MOTU ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> you need to be a member to become a motu
[01:32] <OdyX> OK...
[01:32] <Tonio_> and you need to be a motu to become a core-dev
[01:32] <Tonio_> which is the higher grade
[01:32] <OdyX> had not understood it like that...
[01:33] <OdyX> OK.
[01:33] <Tonio_> and which those guys force myself to try to apply ^^ ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: why ?
[01:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: you are member, aren't ya ?
[01:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee <3
[01:33] <Tm_T> whops
[01:33] <Tonio_> OdyX: I'm a mamber, a motu and a kubuntu-dev
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i still have problems with the packages - undersatnding shlib depends and all that...and working more with debhelper, etc
[01:33] <Tonio_> but not a core-dev
[01:34] <OdyX> Tonio_: god...
[01:34] <Tonio_> OdyX: you can check launchpad people's page to see the groups they are members of
[01:34] <OdyX> Tonio_: :D
[01:34] <OdyX> Tonio_: OK
[01:34] <Tm_T> hm
[01:34] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/people/tonio
[01:34] <Tonio_> here is my page for example ;)
[01:34] <Tm_T> I'm member of nothing?
[01:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: You should have some more Karma ...
[01:35] <Tm_T> hehe
[01:35] <Tm_T> https://launchpad.net/people/jussi-kekkonen
[01:35] <Tonio_> OdyX: well, karma doesn't mean anything
[01:36] <Tm_T> look, I'm very active ;)
[01:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know.. perfectly well..
[01:36] <OdyX> :D
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: now that really doesnt seem right - the karma, that is
[01:36] <Tonio_> a bug comment brings lots of karma, when a package doesn't.......
[01:36] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/people/tonio/+packages
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: check out mine versus yours - that's nuts...
[01:36] <Tonio_> this, for example, didn't bring me any karma point ;)
[01:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know... raphink ever showed me that
[01:36] <Hobbsee> you ought to have way more than i do...
[01:37] <Tonio_> the best way to get more karma is making translation still, which is of course important, but can't be compared to packaging, since is can be done way faster and easier
[01:37] <Hobbsee> that's true
[01:37] <OdyX> Tonio_: bug tracking gives a lot too...
[01:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: look at raphink's page........ he has a nice collection too :)
[01:37] <Tonio_> OdyX: yes, true ;)
[01:37] <Tonio_> just that they really should give points for packaging stuff ;)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> and so he should
[01:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: but raphink creates "artifical groups" :D
[01:38] <Hobbsee> !!!
[01:38] <Tonio_> OdyX: hehe
[01:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: like translation team in papamiento...
[01:38] <OdyX> :D
[01:38] <freeflying> I wonder anyone here wanna apply for motu
[01:38] <OdyX> I don't mean it is unuseful... but pretty fin
[01:38] <OdyX> s/fin/fun
[01:39] <OdyX> freeflying: I would, but in two years, after lot of learning
[01:39] <Tonio_> freeflying: Hobbsee should in my opinion
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no way, not yet...
[01:39] <freeflying> OdyX: two years is quite long
[01:39] <Hobbsee> that's why i wasnt going for  membership for a while - didnt know how much i'd be able to contribute
[01:40] <Tonio_> OdyX: member doesn't require much stuff
[01:40] <Tonio_> OdyX: nice contribution is enough
[01:40] <OdyX> freeflying: I just don't know were to begin.. I want to learn, but don't know how
[01:40] <freeflying> Hobbsee: actrually, you've contributed  lots
[01:40] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, i was away just before UVF hit, so i lost a couple of weeks then...and there's not much point packaging now
[01:40] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes, but not packaging wise
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I actually upload at least 2 PACKAGE PER DAY ;)
[01:40] <freeflying> OdyX: everyone here would like help you  also #ubuntu-motu
[01:40] <Tonio_> oups sorry
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:41] <Tonio_> bug correction, uvf exceptions etc...... there is so much to do
[01:41] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know there's a lot... but don't feel having capabilities...
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hard to know what to do though - and a lot of bugs i've set to need info, and no one comes back with hnfo...
[01:41] <OdyX> s/capa.../habilities..
[01:41] <Hobbsee> *info
[01:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but to upload a new ubuntu version of a package, it is required to be a motu....... here is the issue ;)
[01:42] <OdyX> Hobbsee: I even reported much but not getting feedback...
[01:42] <Hobbsee> mind you, there's a lovely list of bugs in kdebase, which needs looking iat
[01:42] <Hobbsee> *at
[01:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: ask Riddell the abilities I had when I started contributing one year ago......... it was ridiculous
[01:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: You're just Window's king...
[01:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: how do you know that ? :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> yes, my mastering isn't on linux still, but on windows :)
[01:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: I'm HoPHP... Dolphins... you know...
[01:43] <OdyX> XD
[01:43] <Tonio_> OdyX: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that is true.  and i'm kinda happy having other people check what i do
[01:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: changed nick.
[01:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: that one is better, though :D
[01:43] <Tonio_> so yes, I know windows way better than linux........; drives me nuts sometimes.........
[01:44] <OdyX> Tonio_: like spending whole life on proprietary stuff ?
[01:44] <OdyX> :D
[01:45] <Tonio_> not hole life, but well.... I learned informatics in a microsoft learning center for 2 years.......... that helps ;)
[01:45] <Tonio_> then I worked as a junior sysadmin, and then senior
[01:45] <Tonio_> so it'll take time before my linux knowledge reach the same level
[01:46] <OdyX> Tonio_: but your's even better than mine
[01:46] <Tonio_> OdyX: not sure :)
[01:46] <OdyX> Tonio_: you package, I don't...
[01:47] <Tonio_> OdyX: doesn't mean you don't know the system better than I do for example ;)
[01:47] <OdyX> Tonio_: sure :D
[01:48] <Tonio_> heher
[01:48] <Tonio_> time to eat ;) seya
[01:48] <OdyX> Seeya
[02:18] <caleb-> freeflying: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2286 # gcin uploaded with comments
[02:21] <Tonio_> caleb-: I'll revu this afternoon
[02:21] <caleb-> Tonio_: Thank you. :-)
[02:22] <Tonio_> caleb-: no pb ;)
[02:22] <freeflying> caleb-: how about using a .desktopfile instead if menu ?
[02:23] <caleb-> freeflying: upstream has desktop file in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets
[02:23] <Tonio_> caleb-: shouldn't it be /usr/share/applications/kde
[02:23] <Tonio_> ?
[02:24] <freeflying> caleb-: then we needn't provide menu
[02:24] <caleb-> Tonio_: oops...It is different between Debian and Ubuntu?
[02:25] <Tonio_> caleb-: well.... to me kde apps have to sit in /kde/ folder......
[02:25] <Tonio_> sounds logic
[02:25] <freeflying> caleb-: and why add locels to Suggests
[02:25] <Tonio_> isn't that a kde application ? (I didn't look at the sources...)
[02:25] <caleb-> Tonio_: gcin is not kde apps...
[02:25] <Tonio_> caleb-: sorry then ;)
[02:26] <caleb-> freeflying: upstream has menus...should I remove them?
[02:26] <OdyX> Hey people... Does somebody know WHY ON HELL we do have to translate Koffice again in Launchpad ?
[02:26] <freeflying> caleb-: you use part of long description in short section
[02:26] <caleb-> freeflying: Uh...xcin suggests locales...so...
[02:26] <Tm_T> OdyX: wtf
[02:27] <OdyX> Tm_T: take a look here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/koffice/+pots/koffice/fr/+translate?show=untranslated
[02:27] <OdyX> 813 missing..
[02:27] <Tm_T> OdyX: no, not wtf for that, wtf that red, flashy text
[02:27] <Tm_T> OdyX: what did you think of doing that
[02:27] <Tonio_> OdyX: looks like the actual translations aren't imported correctly.......
[02:27] <Tm_T> oh why you burn my eyes?!
[02:27] <OdyX> Tm_T: angry.. :D (did not appear on my Konvi)
[02:28] <OdyX> Tm_T: sorry for that. Won't make it again.
[02:28] <freeflying> caleb-: besides these , nice to me
[02:28] <Tm_T> OdyX: please never do that again
[02:28] <Tm_T> ok
[02:28] <OdyX> Tm_T: registered Chef.
[02:28] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: so what? should I upload *.po's from kde's svn ?
[02:28] <Tm_T> =)
[02:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: or wait for...
[02:28] <Tm_T> OdyX: wait for revolution in france
[02:30] <OdyX> Tm_T: this doesn't touch me any... I'm no french. :D
[02:30] <Tonio_> OdyX: probably wait for kde implmentation in launchpad gets better ;)
[02:30] <Tonio_> it is on the way
[02:30] <Tm_T> OdyX: again colours... please
[02:30] <OdyX> Tm_T: cannot play with you ?
[02:30] <OdyX> :D
[02:30] <Tm_T> OdyX: people get killed for less
[02:30] <OdyX> Tonio_: I asked in #launchpad, but no answer...
[02:31] <OdyX> Tm_T: s/killed/kicked ?
[02:31] <sebas> OdyX: There might be people reading this who do not see very well.
[02:31] <Tm_T> OdyX: killed
[02:31] <Tm_T> OdyX: I prefer large axe
[02:31] <sebas> So you're basically taking away their possibility to reading the text.
[02:31] <Tm_T> OdyX: and no, I don't use sharp end, that would be too easy end... ] ;=
[02:32] <OdyX> sebas: hum... argument is OK... but unapplicable here...
[02:32] <sebas> Why?
[02:32] <sebas> Did you make sure not badly-sighted people are on IRC? :P
[02:32] <OdyX> because it is (or should be) desactivable...
[02:32] <sebas> Maybe not for clients that have the accessibility features?
[02:33] <sebas> Anyway, it's *very* bad practice.
[02:33] <sebas> And probably the easiest way to annoy people on IRC.
[02:33] <OdyX> sebas: I'm very conscient of that, and made it twice: first generally (did not appear on MY screen) and then just for Tm_T who, afaik has no problems...
[02:34] <OdyX> sebas: anyway... this does not solve my problem of having to translate Koffice
[02:34] <Tm_T> OdyX: has no problems for what?
[02:35] <OdyX> Tm_T: for reading text in red...
[02:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: I do have problems with your use of colours
[02:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and yes, because it was flashing, it was really hard to read
[02:35] <OdyX> Tm_T: do you use Konversation ?
[02:35] <Tm_T> no
[02:35] <OdyX> Tm_T: OK...
[02:35] <freeflying> Tonio_: any comments on gcin?
[02:36] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/colours-01.png
[02:36] <Tm_T> OdyX: look
[02:36] <Tm_T> doesn't look nice
[02:36] <Tm_T> ;(
[02:37] <sebas> Hm, now seeing the screenshot, I didn't even notice the message after "no"
[02:38] <Tm_T> :p
[02:38] <Tm_T> sebas: yeah, you can't see it if you have black background
[02:38] <sebas> I've very dark background, and all text set to pretty light colors.
[02:38] <Tm_T> ugh
[02:38] <Tm_T> I used to have that way
[02:39] <OdyX> as it appeared here: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1563/capture13vo.png
[02:39] <sebas> Ow well, I should just switch my color setup and wait for the next one to do colors. :/
[02:39] <Tm_T> haha
[02:39] <OdyX> Tm_T: I now understand... but as you see... every line with my name is in red, so one word in red did not seem too much...
[02:40] <OdyX> und underlining did not appear...
[02:40] <sebas> Uhm, OdyX The colors *do* get rendered on your screen that way.
[02:40] <Tm_T> OdyX: see? playing with colours is not good idea
[02:40] <sebas> Albeit not the backgrounded ones
[02:40] <Tm_T> hehe
[02:41] <Tm_T> no you can't
[02:41] <Tm_T> :o
[02:41] <Tm_T> oh well
[02:41] <Tm_T> coffee ->
[02:49] <OdyX> Hi again.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi OdyX
[02:50] <Hobbsee> no manual entry for configure...odd...
[02:58] <Tonio_> freeflying: about gcin, I'll revu later
[02:58] <freeflying> Tonio_: rhx
[02:59] <Tonio_> freeflying: my girlfriend just called me, and she'll be there tomorrow
[02:59] <freeflying> Tonio_: it's nice to you heh
[02:59] <Tonio_> if she sees my flat as it is actually, I think I'm gonna get killed.......
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:59] <Tonio_> I need to clean it.........
[02:59] <Hobbsee> she likes clean stuff, hey?
[03:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: she like "normal" stuff
[03:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:00] <Tonio_> but my flat is actually.............. hum.......... any idea of what hell can look like ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> merci copain !!!!!!!
[03:01] <OdyX> :D
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:02] <OdyX> Hobbsee: geek !!! :D
[03:02] <Hobbsee> OdyX: probably that too - but the reason in particular:  i'm female
[03:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: don't you like clean stuff?heh
[03:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying: my mother is a clean freak - each and everytime i cant find something in here, it's cos she's "cleaned" everything...
[03:03] <Hobbsee> it's rather annoying :P
[03:03] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  :)
[03:03] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well... let's use [boy|girl] friend then :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i just thought it was rather...i dunno, weird mood tonight
[03:04] <Hobbsee> trying to figure out enumeration with c++, and it's not really working much
[03:13] <OdyX> Wondering what's the politic for severity in bugs...
[03:14] <OdyX> if I cannot add an event (crash) in korganizer, is it major or normal ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> i thought there was a listing of that...somewhere..
[03:14] <OdyX> Yep... That's my problem.. were...
[03:14] <OdyX> s/were/where
[03:14] <Hobbsee> trying to remember...
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek
[03:16] <Hobbsee> oh i know where i saw it!
[03:17] <OdyX> so ? :D
[03:17] <Hobbsee> OdyX: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch05s02.html
[03:17] <Hobbsee> packaging guide :D
[03:17] <Hobbsee> was grabbing the link as i typed here...
[03:17] <OdyX> Thanks !!
[03:18] <OdyX> Well... inability to add an event (even Kubuntu meeting) is normal then ?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> huh?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> what are you trying to add?  and to where?
[03:20] <OdyX> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/39419/
[03:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39419 in kdepim "korganizer krashes when creating event" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[03:21] <OdyX> I'm on the way to confirm it...
[03:21] <OdyX> and wondering if I should change some stuff (severity, binary pack', source pack'), for being precise and helpful...
[03:21] <OdyX> what do you think ?
[03:22] <OdyX> Well...
[03:22] <OdyX> made
[03:22] <Hobbsee> i'd leave it as normal...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i'd just change the status.
[03:23] <OdyX> bug 39419
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39419 in kdepim korganizer "korganizer krashes when creating event" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39419
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i'm tol dthat you dotn have to assign it to kubuntu-bugs
[03:23] <OdyX> OK...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yep, nice
[03:23] <Hobbsee> it auto-assigns there - but i dont know...they seem easier to find when assigned there
[03:23] <OdyX> I now do it... because after every bug I submitted... someone came after me and assigned it...
[03:23] <OdyX> so...
[03:23] <OdyX> don't know
[03:24] <Hobbsee> lol...that was probably me :P
[03:24] <Hobbsee> kdepim...i dont think i'm subscribed to that...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> dont think i've ever gone through those bugs either...
[03:25] <OdyX> it was quasi-always Kenny Dufus (from Bug Squad)
[03:25] <OdyX> (double f)
[03:26] <OdyX> So... what is the fastest way to get one bug solved ?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:26] <OdyX> solve it myself... :'(
[03:26] <Hobbsee> OdyX: submit a patch yourself :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:29] <freeflying> anyone can use zeroconf in kubntu
[03:29] <OdyX> freeflying: don't know how... indeed
[03:31] <Hobbsee> OdyX: ewww...looks like lots of lovely bugs...
[03:35] <OdyX> Hobbsee: mine's ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> no, the ones for kdepim
[03:38] <OdyX> Yep... seems pretty buggy
[03:38] <OdyX> (stilll works indeed)
[03:40] <OdyX> which ?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> bug 27369
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27369 in kdenetwork akregator "Akregator crashed" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27369
[03:42] <Hobbsee> well, moved, anywya
[03:43] <Hobbsee> and now i get email notification of it :P
[03:44] <OdyX> fine.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> (it was in the wrong place :P )
[03:45] <Hobbsee> figured sticking all the akregator bugs together was wise...
[03:46] <Lure> Hobbsee: pong
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hmmm...what did i want you for...
[03:47] <Lure> ;-)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i replied to your forum post - about the kpowersave...
[03:47] <Hobbsee> anyone here use kppp?
[03:47] <Tonio_> Lure: I read the mail about the vpnc issue
[03:47] <Tonio_> I must say we would need a bit more details........
[03:48] <Lure> Tonio_: agree - just need to think what to ask...
[03:48] <Tonio_> kitchen is cleaned, toilets too :) now the bathroom........
[03:48] <Tonio_> Lure: details maybe :)
[03:48] <jjesse> anyone else having problems with adept-notifier showing there are updates still available (the red triangle) and then when I click on it adept-notifier tells me there are no updates available?
[03:48] <OdyX> Tonio_: don't forget take coffee mugs from computer.
[03:48] <OdyX> jjesse: I did...
[03:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: I saw that once yes
[03:49] <jjesse> anyone fix it?
[03:49] <Tonio_> generally on reboot
[03:49] <Lure> jjesse: run apt-get update manually and see what it reports - it may be that some package is kept back
[03:50] <jjesse> ah kpowersave have been kept back
[03:50] <OdyX> does anyone else find annoying the new Javascript of Launchpad with Konqui ?
[03:51] <Lure> jjesse: really? which version do you have installed currently?
[03:51] <jjesse> kpowersave: 0.5.2
[03:52] <Lure> jjesse: OK, this one is pretty old - does dist-upgrade works?
[03:53] <jjesse> Lure: that's what i did
[03:55] <OdyX> powersave is NOT working here, according to constant frequency...
[03:55] <OdyX> should be reported ? where ?
[03:56] <Lure> OdyX: what do you mean with "constant frequency"?
[03:56] <Lure> OdyX: bugs should go in Launchpad as with any other package
[03:57] <OdyX> Lure: ksysguard shows me 1695 (1,7 Ghz) instead of ~600 when "powersave" is selected.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: is knetworkmanager going into main for dapper?
[03:58] <Lure> OdyX: try setting CPUFREQ_CONTROL to "userspace" in /etc/powersave/cpufreq
[03:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: Tonio wrote main inclusion report, but is in the queue for some time
[03:58] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[03:59] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKNetworkManager
[04:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: this kdm login issue is really strange - when did you noticed this the first time?
[04:00] <Tm_T> oh boy
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah...2 versions ago...
[04:00] <Lure> 2 versions of powersave?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> of kpowersave
[04:01] <Lure> interesting... this mean probably RC version before 0.6.0
[04:01] <Hobbsee> might have only been one, i'm not sure...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> havent really been watching the updates that carefully
[04:01] <Lure> I will look into changelog a bit to understand if there is somethign in area of screensaver/logout
[04:03] <OdyX> jjesse: my adept-notifier is shown even if I have nothing to update
[04:03] <OdyX> Lure: restarted powersaved, but no change...
[04:04] <Lure> OdyX: and cpu freq scaling worked before (w/o powersave)? What kind of CPU do you have?
[04:04] <OdyX> Lure: it did with older version of kpowersave/powersaved && CPU is Pentium M (Centrino)
[04:07] <Lure> OdyX: is "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq" also reporing wrong?
[04:10] <OdyX> No...
[04:10] <OdyX> this one is fine
[04:10] <Hobbsee> yay!  one of the longer standing bugs in kdenetwork got fixed!
[04:11] <OdyX> Hobbsee: # ?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> 19661
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bug 19661
[04:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19661 in kdenetwork kopete "missing build dependency libxss and libxss-dev" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/19661
[04:11] <Hobbsee> well, there's a number about auto-away plugin, in various places
[04:11] <Tm_T> hum
[04:11] <Tm_T> auto-away of what? kopete?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yes
[04:13] <Hobbsee> OdyX: means it switches to away when it detects idle, or screensaver
[04:13] <Tm_T> OdyX: it measures your idle time, and if you're idle let's say, 15 min it sets you away
[04:13] <Hobbsee> useful thing
[04:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hum, what about it?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's been fixed
[04:13] <OdyX> Hobbsee: isn't that default on Kopetet ?
[04:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: true :)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it wasnt before...
[04:14] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: been fixed long time ago =)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> OdyX: yeah...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, on 0.12, but not on 0.11...
[04:14] <Tm_T> true
[04:14] <Tm_T> and I have no idea about 0.11
[04:14] <OdyX> and when is the update planned ?
[04:14] <Tm_T> I've been in 0.12 over half year now
[04:14] <Hobbsee> to 0.12?  dapper+1, i expect
[04:15] <Tm_T> yes, or, in separate kubuntu.org repository maybe
[04:15] <Lure> OdyX: interesting, what about "sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> or that
[04:15] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: 0.12 will be really good release ;)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:16] <OdyX> Lure: works.
[04:16] <Tm_T> that reminds me, have to do something this week so it will be good release =)
[04:16] <Lure> OdyX: and what does kpowersave tell you (if you click on icon)
[04:16] <OdyX> Lure: seems the problem is in ksysguard.
[04:16] <Tm_T> kwwii: moin
[04:16] <Lure> it may be just bug in KSysGuard
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii
[04:16] <kwwii> moin Tm_T
[04:16] <Tm_T> :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> anyone here use KPPP at all?
[04:17] <OdyX> Lure: correct too
[04:17] <Lure> kwwii: new splash looks ok with me, I just did not have time to package (probably need to wait for Riddell)
[04:17] <OdyX> /me is real bad tester.
[04:17] <kwwii> Lure: cool, thanks for testing it
[04:18] <Lure> OdyX: you will learn... ;-)
[04:18] <OdyX> Lure: it comes.. :D - So bug is in ksysguard.
[04:18] <Lure> OdyX: probably - not sure how it gets CPU info - maybe just print max (never used that app ;-))
[04:18] <OdyX> Lure: it did take it correctly...
[04:19] <OdyX> Lure: bug 6724
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6724 in kdebase "ksysguard fails to report cpu_freq in dapper" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6724
[04:20] <OdyX> Lure: look at second commentary... The problem is in /proc/cpuinfo - which is buggy.
[04:20] <Lure> OdyX: it is not buggy, just the semantic has changed ;-)
[04:21] <OdyX> Lure: OK. Can be considered in that way
[04:21] <OdyX> Lure: so ksysguard should be hardly changed.
[04:21] <OdyX> Lure: maybe too late for Dapper ?
[04:22] <Lure> OdyX: probably - we should also submit to upstream I think...
[04:30] <Tonio_> OdyX: be brave..........
[04:30] <Tonio_> bugs.kde.org is the worst bts ever.........
[04:30] <Hobbsee> excellent - another bug fix!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, be very brave for bugs.kde.org!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> it's so slow too!
[04:30] <Lure> ;-)
[04:31] <OdyX> Tonio_: yeah..  I had it in FR before today's update.  OK.... At least "Terminal" changed to "Shell"
[04:36] <Tonio_> OdyX: that doesn't mean language was changed :)
[04:36] <OdyX> so it gives me the impression it is in english... but only term changed.
[04:36] <Tonio_> terminal is english too :)
[04:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: Som
[04:37] <Tonio_> yes it was updated today, I uploaded latest version yesterday
[04:37] <Tonio_> it resolves the "first line" bug
[04:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: yep. Seen
[04:38] <Lure> Tonio_: great - this one was minor but annoying ;-)
[04:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: but shortcuts even changed...
[04:38] <OdyX> Names and shortcuts changed.. Bastante mucho.
[04:40] <Lure> Tonio_: kde print strikes again in bug 33173
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33173 in kdebase "kdeprint can not contact cups" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33173
[04:40] <Lure> :-(
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Lure: again, or is that old?
[04:40] <Tonio_> Lure: that's known
[04:41] <Tonio_> if no solution is found till the release, we are supposed to eventually get back to cups 1.1
[04:41] <Lure> there were some fixes done by Riddell in last days but it seems it is no good...
[04:41] <Lure> pitti found on guy who is changing kde print to new cups interfaces
[04:41] <Lure> s/on/one/
[04:42] <Tonio_> the problem is that new cups version returns an error message when listing an empty printer list
[04:42] <OdyX> well.. it works here...
[04:42] <Tonio_> gnome cups manager avoids the error, and kdeprint shows it
[04:42] <Tonio_> but in any case, the error is there
[04:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: it works cause you have a printer installed :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> remove it and restart kdeprint to see the error message
[04:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: that's it...
[04:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: I had it..
[04:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: in fact, I CANNOT go into root'mode..
[04:43] <Tonio_> OdyX: that's another bug ;)
[04:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: ;)
[04:47] <OdyX> How is it to launch it directly (kcmshell ** ) ?
[04:49] <OdyX> kcmshell printmgr
[04:51] <OdyX> no
[06:01] <OdyX> Tonio_: I just finished yakuake's po translation.
[06:01] <OdyX> Tonio_: where/who should i give/put it ?
[06:08] <OdyX> Tonio_: mailed the dev.
[06:11] <jdong> any chance of a ktorrent svn snapshot?
[06:11] <jdong> I'm playing around with one right now, and it seems more stable than what we got in Dapper
[06:11] <OdyX> jdong: solves the annoying 1024 limit ?
[06:11] <jdong> what annoying 1024 limit is that?
[06:13] <OdyX> jdong: if you have a lot of torrents containing a lot of files (like 6 GiB of Jamendo's free music) shared, Ktorrent 0.12 opens a thread for every file
[06:13] <OdyX> and then complains because it is not able to open more 1024.
[06:13] <jdong> oh, ouch
[06:13] <jdong> let me test
[06:13] <jdong> I believe I saw that happening before with 1.2
[06:13] <OdyX> jamendo.com
[06:13] <OdyX> :D
[06:13] <OdyX> I had no problem with my 0.11
[06:13] <jpatrick> or redhotchilipeppers.com
[06:14] <jpatrick> ;)
[06:14] <OdyX> 0.11 => 1.1
[06:14] <OdyX> jpatrick: they have torrents with Ogg ?
[06:14] <jpatrick> No
[06:14] <OdyX> Jamendo does :D
[06:15] <OdyX> BT or eMule for Ogg q8 or q4 & Mp3 120 kiB
[06:15] <jdong> nope; sadly still too many open files
[06:16] <OdyX> jdong: and a BAD thing with the new version is the fact that "not entirely downloaded" have to be at their final place.
[06:16] <OdyX> I do rather like 1.1 !!!
[06:16] <jdong> yeah; but having DHT and ip filter support is important
[06:17] <OdyX> 1.1 did allow to have a temporary place and then moves/'ln -s' the files to final place...
[06:17] <jdong> otherwise you'll just get the influx going to azureus again
[06:17] <OdyX> which allowed me to download being away with my multimedia-reader.
[06:26] <Tonio_> YEAH !!!
[06:26] <Tonio_> clean appartment
[06:27] <Tm_kde4> I don't believe
[06:27] <Tonio_> Tm_kde4: ???
[06:27] <Tonio_> testing kde4 ? :)
[06:27] <Tm_kde4> you having clean appartment, hah!
[06:27] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[06:27] <Tm_kde4> yeah I am ;)
[06:28] <Tonio_> preview released already ?
[06:28] <Tm_kde4> running irssi in Konsole 3.9.02
[06:28] <Tm_kde4> nope
[06:28] <Tm_kde4> Tonio_: first usable previews will be released around dapper+1
[06:29] <Tonio_> I know, this is why I was a bit astonished reading your nick :)
[06:29] <_Sime> Tonio_: hi,
[06:29] <Tm_kde4> yeah, this konsole is hilarious
[06:29] <Tm_kde4> I can't even select text :p
[06:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: hey ;) did you get my mail ?
[06:30] <_Sime> Tonio_: when???
[06:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: sent you an email last night
[06:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: containing diff to add french to guidance desktop files
[06:32] <Tm_kde4> Tonio_: something fun: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kopete-05050-01.png
[06:32] <_Sime> Tonio_: found it. in my inbox-suspect.
[06:33] <Tm_T> spam!1
[06:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: grmpf.........
[06:33] <Tonio_> ;)
[06:33] <Tonio_> Tm_T: what is "fun" ?? :)
[06:34] <OdyX> Tm_T: everything transparent, natively ?
[06:34] <Tm_T> Tonio_: well, it looks nice, but unusable
[06:34] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ah ;)
[06:34] <Tm_T> OdyX: no, that "transparent" thing is Kopete 0.12
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and, well, fake transparency
[06:35] <Tonio_> Tm_T: concerning 3D effects, what is kde plans ?
[06:35] <OdyX> Tm_T and the terminal ?
[06:35] <_Sime> Tonio_: cool, I'll put that in. Is Kubuntu also frozen for the beta release?
[06:35] <Tonio_> wait for aiglx ? performing everything software or?
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: terminal is Eterm
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and there's xterm and Konsole too
[06:35] <Tonio_> _Sime: I don't think it is frozen for applications developped for kubuntu, like guidance or adept
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and no, no "real" transparency at all here
[06:36] <Tm_T> OdyX: don't need it ;)
[06:36] <OdyX> OK. Tm_T
[06:37] <Tm_kde4> bah, problems with Kopete, as usual
[06:38] <OdyX> Tm_kde4: "as usual" ?
[06:41] <Tm_kde4> yeah
[06:41] <Tm_kde4> http://kopete.pastebin.com/665271
[06:42] <Tm_kde4> oh well
[06:42] <Tm_kde4> https is broken anyway
[06:45] <_Sime> Tonio_: i just commited your desktop file changes, thanks.
[06:48] <Tonio_> _Sime: your servant ;)
[06:55] <jpatrick> slave, more likely
[06:58] <OdyX> Canonical claims using free software, no? So what's that? https://launchpad.net/%40%40/dynarch/hmenu.js (totally unreadable, though)
[06:59] <jpatrick> blimey
[07:00] <OdyX> There's a bug into that that provoques Konqueror to switch to every launchpad tab... I'm trying to swim into that, but it's real ***
[07:00] <jpatrick> file a bug on it
[07:00] <OdyX> I did file...
[07:01] <jpatrick> "Completely unreadable code"
[07:01] <OdyX> but Launchpad argue it's Konqueror's bug...
[07:02] <OdyX> bug 39312... If one of you kings have an idea on that...
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39312 in konqueror "BAD tab comportements in Launchpad (and others)" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39312
[07:02] <jpatrick> kings?
[07:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: kings = Ubuntu members != me.
[07:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: guru is better ?
[07:03] <jpatrick> i just sit here and help out when I can
[07:05] <OdyX> jpatrick: I do even :D
[07:05] <jpatrick> right now, helping out kubuntu-es.org
[07:06] <OdyX> jpatrick: I'm in Madrid :D
[07:06] <jpatrick> OdyX: can't speak Spanish here... :(
[07:07] <OdyX> jpatrick: well.. I'm no native... Swiss guy in ERASMUS..
[07:07] <OdyX> but I can reasonnably well.
[07:08] <jpatrick> Me neither :)
[07:08] <jpatrick> supper time ->
[07:09] <OdyX> Clear
[07:09] <OdyX> !
[07:09] <OdyX> Where are ya '
[07:09] <OdyX> ?
[07:37] <jpatrick> OdyX: Girona, Catalonia
[07:37] <OdyX> Well... Not so near for a beer :D
[07:38] <jpatrick> LaserJock: can we write documentation for Dapper+1?
[07:38] <jpatrick> OdyX: too young for beer
[07:38] <OdyX> means ?
[07:38] <jpatrick> que?
[07:38] <OdyX> edad...
[07:38] <LaserJock> jpatrick: yes, the Dapper docs have been branched
[07:38] <jpatrick> LaserJock: woohoo
[07:38] <jpatrick> OdyX: 14
[07:39] <LaserJock> jpatrick: so you can work in trunk now for Dapper+1
[07:39] <jpatrick> LaserJock: course, I will as soon as I've done all this school work
[07:40] <jjesse> jpatrick: what doc will you be working on for dapper +1
[07:40] <LaserJock> heh, yeah. I need to finish my PhD at some point too
[07:40] <jpatrick> jjesse: PackGuide
[07:40] <jpatrick> have to improve the upgrade packages section
[07:41] <jjesse> oh cool
[07:42] <jpatrick> and maybe some kubuntu docs
[07:44] <jpatrick> LaserJock: how do I get it?
[07:44] <jpatrick> bzr branch https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper/ ?
[07:45] <LaserJock> no
[07:45] <LaserJock> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[08:02] <jpatrick> ok, got it
[08:26] <sredna> Hi
[08:26] <sredna> I get errors from kdeprinter when printing, using the latest dapper packages. Some undefined reference
[08:30] <kwwii> wow, much better
[08:30] <kwwii> oops
[08:30] <kwwii> wrong window
[09:06] <sredna> There was an error loading kdeprint_cups. The diagnostic is:
[09:06] <sredna> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_cups.so: Undefined symbol: _ZN13KMCupsManager20slotConnectionFailedEi
[11:46] <kmon> anyone knows if the new fglrx driver will be included in dapper?
[12:02] <kmon> I've read here: http://compiz.ed3n.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2338#p2338 that the new driver solves problems between kdm and fglrx
[12:02] <kmon> but maybe it's something with compiz enabled in kde...


[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126684 in launchpad "Style sheet is overly complex" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126684
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126686 in launchpad "bug search engine frequently down" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126686
[06:01] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:09] <ajmitch> hello mpt
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126708 in malone "Search is completely broken when searching for "linu"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126708
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126716 in soyuz ""Personal Package Archives" page is empty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126716
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126721 in blueprint "Can't search blueprints by milestone" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126721
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126722 in blueprint "Blueprint listings have broken "Latest proposed features" box" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126722
[11:55] <aLTer> Hi there! I'm owner of some lounchpad project. Is there some of from admins to drop the project?
[12:52] <thumper> aLTer: ask kiko when he wakes, or SteveA
[12:52] <aLTer> thumper, thanks
[03:26] <Mari> je ne comprend pas comment mettre en francais launchpad.net en franais.s.v.p
[03:28] <Mari> en faite je ne comprend pas l'Anglais tts cours
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126758 in malone "Allow mass changes of bug visibility" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126758
[04:00] <statik> hello world
[04:01] <salgado> I guess it's time for our weekly non-au reviewers meeting
[04:01] <salgado> who's here today?
[04:01] <barry> me
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:01] <statik> me
[04:02] <BjornT> me (partly, at least)
[04:02] <salgado> flacoste?
[04:02] <flacoste> me
[04:02] <salgado> I guess that's everybody
[04:03] <salgado> next meeting. same time, next week
[04:03] <salgado> any objections?
[04:03] <salgado> so be it, then
[04:03] <flacoste> no objections, but I'll be on parental leave as of next week
[04:04] <flacoste> (just a reminder)
[04:04] <bac> no objection but i'll be traveling
[04:04] <statik> flacoste: enjoy it!
[04:04] <flacoste> thanks statik!
[04:04] <salgado> the queue, as expected, is short now, with only 6 branches and only one being there for more than 48h
[04:05] <salgado> looks like you guys did an awesome work reviewing the 35 branches we had last week
[04:05] <salgado> thanks everybody!
[04:06] <statik> is this the time to discuss bringing on additional reviewers?
[04:06] <salgado> anything else you'd like to discuss today?
[04:06] <salgado> statik, I guess so
[04:06] <salgado> where's kiko, btw? :)
[04:06] <statik> I'd like to nominate intellectronica, mwhudson, and sinzui to join the reveiw team
[04:07] <barry> do we want to discuss some of the ideas in joey's *long* thread?
[04:07] <statik> yes!
[04:07] <barry> statik: +1.  i'd add jtv
[04:08] <barry> or maybe we should make everyone a reviewer <wink>
[04:08] <statik> barry: I'm in favor of that, but perhaps not all at the same time
[04:08] <barry> statik: yeah :)
[04:08] <flacoste> i'd be weary of adding more reviewers while we still have mentoree
[04:08] <flacoste> or all of our reviewers have graduated?
[04:08] <barry> flacoste: speaking of which, i think some graduations are in order
[04:08] <salgado> not all of them, no
[04:09] <statik> I don't even show up to school, let alone graduate :)
[04:09] <flacoste> lol
[04:09] <barry> who's still being mentored?  bac, statik, who else?
[04:10] <bac> that's it, i think
[04:10] <salgado> that's what PendingReviews tells me
[04:10] <barry> SSHHH! don't tell them, but i think both can be graduated with honors
[04:11] <statik> so, I feel that I have a very good understanding of our review process and what to look for, but don't have nearly as broad an understanding of our code base as some of the more experienced reviewers. I think I'm ready to graduate, but I would still expect to contact more experience reviewers for some cases
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126761 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch description does not preserve formatting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126761
[04:11] <flacoste> statik: that's the spirit really
[04:11] <bac> statik: +1 on those comments
[04:11] <barry> statik: yes definitely.  i said the same thing to flacoste
[04:11] <salgado> I was mostly happy with statik's reviews, but I mentored very few of them, IIRC
[04:11] <barry> (about me)
[04:12] <barry> i mentored a bunch of bac's reviews.  quite good i thought.
[04:12] <bac> thanks barry
[04:12] <salgado> statik, I can reassign the julian's no-ascii-smash if you'd like. it has 500 lines and could be a good graduation test. :)
[04:13] <bac> and thanks to flacoste for lots of help during the process
[04:13] <barry> statik: part of the motivation for the two +1's per branch is i think to give that kind of oversight for new graduates
[04:13] <statik> salgado: sure
[04:13] <barry> bac: seconded.  flacoste, you're awesome, dude
[04:13] <statik> barry: yes, I think having two +1s works well when everyone is a reviewer
[04:14] <flacoste> barry, i fear that the two +1 would increase the review lag
[04:14] <statik> but we should remember that mistakes will always slip through the review process, and should not paralyze ourselves aiming for perfect reviews. The code is SO much better from simply being reviewed than it would be otherwise
[04:14] <flacoste> i think its necessary for training new reviewers
[04:15] <salgado> okay, so I suggest we work on getting everybody graduated and then we start thinking about new reviewers
[04:15] <barry> statik: couldn't agree more
[04:15] <salgado> as with any other process, the review is not supposed to be flawless
[04:16] <salgado> (that's to to reinforce statik's comment)
[04:17] <salgado> anything else?
[04:18] <statik> not from me :)
[04:18] <bac> so are we moving forward with the new reviewer nominations?
[04:18] <barry> over.
[04:18] <salgado> I'd prefer to wait until next week
[04:19] <bac> ok
[04:19] <salgado> I guess that's it, then
[04:20] <salgado> thanks everybody for coming
[04:20] <flacoste> thanks salgado
[04:20] <barry> thanks salgado!
[04:20] <statik> thanks salgado!
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126768 in blueprint "OOPS when subscribing the "admins" team to a blueprint." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126768
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #79288 in launchpad "Portlet list items have too much margin in 1.0 design" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79288
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #71989 in launchpad "Product details portlet needs better title." [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71989
[06:41] <mantiena-baltix> cprov-lunch: hi, could you help my with PPA ?
[06:44] <mantiena-baltix> Anybody knows if PPA works for every launchpad user ?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: it does
[06:45] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: if you have the info on how to use it
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126791 in launchpad-bazaar "code import cleanups" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126791
[06:46] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: cprov told me how to use about a month ago, maybe now instructions are different ?
[06:47] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: I run dput my-ppa gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3_source.changes and dput stops on
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix> Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to upload.dogfood.launchpad.net):
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3.dsc: done.
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz:
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix> gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz is only about 700Kb size
[06:49] <mantiena-baltix> but now I'm waiting for about 30 min
[06:53] <mantiena-baltix> Please. somebody, explain me why I get Error '(110, 'Connection timed out')' during ftp transfer of gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz ?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> assuming your links are still correct, because it timed out?
[07:00] <HorD> hi
[07:04] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: I've modified my ~/.dput.cf according one month old cprov instructions
[07:05] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: want to pastebin the relevant part of the dput.cf?
[07:05] <mantiena-baltix> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net
[07:05] <mantiena-baltix> incoming = ~mantas/ubuntu/
[07:05] <mantiena-baltix> login = anonymous
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126794 in launchpad-bazaar "code-import-sync should set date_created usefully" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126794
[07:05] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: it's now ppa.dogfood
[07:06] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: thanks
[07:06] <Hobbsee> it changed
[07:07] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: Hobbsee: upload.dogfood.launchpad.net should be working too
[07:07] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: yes, it seems ppa.dogfood doesn't work too
[07:08] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: something was broken ...
[07:08] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: maybe problem is, that I use dput -u (I'm lazy to sign) ?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: that'll be why.  you have to sign all uploads....
[07:09] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: unsigned uploads are rejected ?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yes...
[07:10] <Hobbsee> silently
[07:10] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: but it seems that unsigned .dsc files are accepted ;)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> that's weird.  ask cprov
[07:11] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: I'm asking ;)
[07:12] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: no, they shouldn't
[07:13] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: sorry, I don't understand what you mean :( Please explain more
[07:14] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: unsigned dsc are not accepted.
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: but I get such info in terminal when run dput -u :
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix> Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net):
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3.dsc: done.
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz:
[07:16] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: expect the rejection email in 4 minutes
[07:17] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: :) thanks for info. btw, should .dsc files signed by my key, which I provided in launchpad.net/~mantas account or I can sign by any key ?
[07:19] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: the key belonging to the account you are using (~mantas gpg key )
[07:20] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: so, if I sign with new, just generated key, my uploads will be rejected ?
[07:21] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: yes, 'no right to upload' or so
[07:22] <mantiena-baltix> ok, thanks for info
[08:49] <sacater> I lost 120 karma in 24 hours
[08:49] <sacater> is that right...
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126819 in malone "Only stops hiding quotations on blank line" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126819
[08:52] <Lumiere> sacater: you lose karma over time
[08:52] <Lumiere> so if you did 120 karma on some day 6-12 months ago
[08:52] <Lumiere> at some point it goes away
[08:53] <Lumiere> it means that your karma is related to doing continued work instead of spikes of work.
[08:53] <Lumiere> or at least, that's my understanding of it
[09:27] <sacater> Lumiere: thanks mate
[09:29] <flacoste> sacater: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation for the whole story
[09:30] <sacater> flacoste: thanks
[09:30] <bmm> Hi. I've just started a new project and want to create a new release. Should I create a new branch for something like this? Or should I just tar-gz my code an host it somewhere?
[09:30] <Kmos> !karma
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about karma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <flacoste> bmm: you can do both, it depends on what you want to do exactly
[09:32] <flacoste> bmm: actually, i meant to say that you can now host your tar.gz release on Launchpad itself
[09:32] <flacoste> bmm: if you want other users to be able to hack on your project, uploading your bzr branch is also probably a good idea
[09:33] <bmm> I actually just want to state that "these files form a release" and then start packaging :-D I'm actually trying to start, create and package one program within a week :-)
[09:33] <bmm> So, I've created a very small, but still a bit functional application as my first launchpad project
[09:34] <flacoste> bmm: then I guess a file download is more in line with what you want
[09:34] <bmm> And now I would love to know what the "most common/best way of doing this" is. My project is https://launchpad.net/inotifyme at the moment :-D
[09:35] <flacoste> bmm: https://help.launchpad.net/FileDownloadsOverview
[09:35] <bmm> flacoste: ok, any links..
[09:35] <bmm> \thank!
[09:35] <bmm> thanks!
[09:37] <bmm> flacoste: I should add a "serie" and a branch for that serie before publishing a file?
[09:43] <flacoste> bmm: not necessarily, you just need to create a release
[09:44] <bmm> Ah, I see now. I've already added the 0.0 series, but I'll remove that. Overly complex for such a simple program
[09:50] <bmm> Can I remove a series again?
[09:51] <flacoste> bmm: no you can't remove  a series.... we have a bug open for that i think
[09:52] <flacoste> bug 2141
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141
[09:52] <bmm> Hmm... then I should just add the download to my 0.0 series :-D
[09:53] <bmm> same problem for a release, right?
[09:54] <superm1> Hi guys, i finally got around to trying to use ppa shortly ago.  You apparently need the same rights as you would have on the archive to upload to a component of your ppa?  Is this by design?
[09:55] <superm1> ^, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30378/
[09:56] <flacoste> bmm: yes, there is not much you can currently delete on Launchpad
[09:57] <bmm> flacoste: hehe, good to know, I'll watch out with submitting forms in the future ;-)
[09:57] <cprov> superm1: no, you don't (if I understand you correctly) PPAs rights are given by the PPA owner
[09:57] <flacoste> bmm: if you want to try out things with confidence you can use the staging server: staging.launchpad.net, the data you enter there is thrown away regularly (everyday except when we are preparing a release)
[09:57] <superm1> so why would that post have been rejected then?  I'm owner of the ~ubuntu-mythtv team
[09:58] <superm1> and wanted to post it up to that ppa space
[09:58] <superm1> could I only push to my ppa space from *my* launchpad acct?
[09:58] <bmm> flacoste: thanks
[09:59] <cprov> superm1: you should be allowed to be upload
[10:01] <superm1> do i have to do something to initialize that PPA space then?
[10:01] <superm1> or is it created on the fly
[10:05] <cprov> superm1: it's already created https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive
[10:05] <cprov> superm1: and contains one source
[10:06] <superm1> cprov, but not for ~ubuntu-mythtv
[10:06] <superm1> they are two sep. teams
[10:07] <cprov> superm1: right, I got confused
[10:08] <cprov> superm1: go to https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv and click on 'Activate PPA' (on the left, Action Portlet)
[10:09] <superm1> ah okay.  How come i didn't have to go through this before for ~mythbuntu then?
[10:10] <cprov> superm1: it's new, landed after you created mythbuntu PPA 'on-the-fly'
[10:10] <superm1> ah
[10:35] <Kmos> cprov: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv -> error
[10:35] <Kmos> OOPS-564DF9
[10:37] <cprov> Kmos: one sec, I'm upgrading the instance.
[10:39] <cprov> Kmos: fixed
[10:40] <superm1> cprov, was that something specific to the ppa on ~ubuntu-mythtv, or something general across the ppa code?
[10:41] <Kmos> cprov: thanks
[10:42] <cprov> superm1: it was the entire instance being in a inconsistent state, don't worry 'maintenance' ;)
[10:42] <superm1> ohok
[10:46] <Kmos> cprov: sourceforge bug tracker on launchpad is not working..
[10:47] <Kmos> when we add an upstream bug
[10:47] <Kmos> for example
[10:47] <Kmos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/77570
[10:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77570 in ddclient "ddclient doesn't support vlan interfaces" [Undecided,Fix committed]   - Assigned to Marco Rodrigues (gothicx)
[10:47] <Kmos> it doesn't have updated the upstream bug status for weeks
[10:47] <Kmos> and it should take one day
[10:47] <cprov> Kmos: wow, suddenly I started to be in charge of the whole system ;)
[10:47] <Kmos> cprov: estas de servio, pimba :)
[10:48] <Kmos> lol
[10:48] <cprov> Kmos: can you check this with BjornT ? he will be able to help you
[10:48] <cprov> Kmos: ;)
[10:48] <Kmos> cprov: yep.. maybe report a bug about that
[10:48] <Kmos> and assign it to bjornt
[10:48] <Kmos> BjornT: ping
[10:50] <superm1> regarding projects doing a vcs import from svn to store in bzr on launchpad - there is a limitation of only pulling trunk.  Is there a way to override that and allow a second branch?
[10:54] <bmm> The current uscan doesn't support https, is there another protocol to have uscan watch for new version when I've uploaded a file to launchpad.net?
[10:59] <Kmos> bmm: uscan ? what package is it ?
[10:59] <Kmos> !info uscan
[11:00] <ubotu> Package uscan does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:02] <bmm> Kmos: the package is being build/created by me now :-D
[11:03] <Kmos> bmm: ah :)
[11:03] <bmm> I've got the file on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/inotifyme/+download
[11:04] <bmm> Kmos: can the link above/list above be accessed in another way then with https? (or should I just wait for uscan to support it?)
[11:04] <Kmos> LP can only be access by https
[11:04] <Kmos> maybe you should wait :)
[11:06] <bmm> Kmos: ok, I'll file a bug somewhere ;-) Thanks!
[11:07] <ScottK> bmm: I'd file it against LP (or look for one).  They've already got a plan to only use https where it's needed.
[11:08] <bmm> ScottK: I like the whole https, so personally I'd file it agains uscan. People should get used to encryption ;-)
[11:09] <elmo> uscan should support https regardless
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126856 in soyuz "Personal package archives list (+ppas) is associated with no tab" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126856
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126862 in launchpad "Launchpad URLs disclose more information than needed on private bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126862
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126866 in soyuz "PPA claims to both contain and not contain any packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126866
[11:50] <haus> hello. is this the ubuntu channel?
[11:53] <Nafallo> no.
[11:53] <Nafallo> #ubuntu is the #ubuntu channel
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126868 in soyuz "Only "Overview" tab is available on person's PPA page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126868
[11:55] <haus> i found this channel when i req a free ubuntu cd
[11:56] <haus> just wanted to thank you guys since its free :)
[11:58] <Nafallo> the man who makes it free is not online atm, sorry.
[11:58] <codyl> hey all, for some reason I cant add Mandarin as a language for translation
[11:59] <codyl> all i see is "Chinese (Hong Kong)"
[11:59] <codyl> which I presume is traditional character set
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126870 in soyuz "Personal package archives list should let you search by package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126870


[04:00] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[06:06] <Mirv> sitter: it doesn't sound bad (like, 56kB .deb), but I'm not really on #ubuntu-desktop. by 16.04 LTS Ubuntu/Unity would not use qt4 anymore anywy so I can't think of why sni-qt on 15.04/15.10 images would be a problem
[08:28] <kubotu> feed branches had 11 updates, showing the latest 6
[08:41] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[08:46] <bukai> soee: ping
[08:47] <soee> bukai: pong
[08:51] <bukai> soee: I have converted the site to wordpress but the index page is all ruined, the slider is not working while the other pages are fine any idea how to fix it?
[08:52] <soee> check javascript errors in brwoser Console
[09:05] <macstar> guys a question... i have uploaded a .deb package on kde-apps.org any possibility to have it included in that installation window which opens when i chose "install services" in dolphin?
[09:12] <bukai_> soee:  My header file is-> https://paste.kde.org/pmt8i9yg1  are the stylesheets properly linked? this is how the slider on my index page looks-> http://wstaw.org/w/35Sc/, this is how the latest articlelooks ->   http://wstaw.org/w/35Sd/ . How do I fix it?
[09:13] <Riddell> hi bukai_
[09:15] <bukai_> Riddell: I have finished converting the site to wp, and the news feed is also over. But there are 2 problems
[09:15] <Riddell> but a good start
[09:16] <bukai_> Riddell: 1. Index page design is somehow not what it use to look.
[09:17] <soee> bukai_: first why sometimes you adds slash afte <?php echo get_template_directory_uri(); ?> and sometimnems not? see queries and bootstrap.min.css
[09:18] <soee> than you are missing some images probably (paths are wrong?) - are you sure thats not the reason why slider fails ?
[09:18] <soee> do you run it already on wordpress ?
[09:33] <bukai> soee: how do i include this -> <script src="https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.11.0/jquery.min.js"></script>
[09:34] <bukai> soee: I tried using get_template_directory_uri() but it did not work
[09:35] <soee> bukai: just put it into <head></head>
[09:35] <soee> no need for any dynamic paths, its static url
[09:35] <bukai> I did , but did not work
[09:36] <soee> define "did not work"
[09:37] <bukai> the index page was not fixed.
[09:45] <AshishLa> I've just installed Kubuntu 13.04 (32 bit) and ive full internet connection but its showing "Unable to find package git" when typing sudo apt-get install git . PLease help . its urgent :)
[09:47] <yofel> ...
[09:47] <sitter> phew
[09:47] <Riddell> oh well
[10:41] <sitter> Riddell: noci...
[10:43] <Riddell> hmm, I feel that needs a change in the script
[10:45] <sitter> the way you merged also was wrong again
[10:45] <sitter> you need to merge from a specific date as unstable would be ahead of the release already if you simply merge unstable HEAD
[10:46] <Riddell> mm, right
[11:11] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[11:11] <_Groo_> for some weeks now parley and kanagram are broken in kubuntu-ci, could some take a look at it?
[11:12] <_Groo_> also apt-get complains that kross and libs arent needed anymore but at every update it reinstalls it anyway
[11:12] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9v84lhqn
[11:12] <_Groo_> see above
[11:20] <sitter> not brokent hey are
[11:40] <_Groo_> sitter: can you elaborate? :)
[11:40] <sitter> the question really is can you elaborate
[11:40] <_Groo_> sitter: elaborate can you? confused i am
[11:41] <_Groo_> The following packages have been kept back:
[11:41] <_Groo_>   kanagram parley
[11:41] <_Groo_> has been like that for maybe 2 weeks now
[11:42] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wt2txXWy
[11:42] <_Groo_> see the pastebin
[11:42] <_Groo_> its missing a 4 i believe in the version
[11:42] <_Groo_> 4:14.11.97+git20141211.0013+14.10-0ubuntu0
[11:42] <_Groo_> it should be 1:<IP_ADDRESS>+git20141211.0013+14.10-0ubuntu0
[11:43] <_Groo_> not 4:14.11.97+git20141211.0013+14.10-0ubuntu0
[11:52] <sitter> http://askubuntu.com/questions/347830/how-can-i-get-a-verbose-apt-get-exit-code
[12:05] <yofel> _Groo_: no, the version numbers are right, what does apt say on dist-upgrade? Just keep them back?
[12:07] <Riddell> grr debian git being rubbish again
[12:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the problem?
[12:09] <Riddell> it's slow when I push, sometimes hangs
[12:09] <Riddell> if I wanted slow I'd use bzr :)
[12:10] <Riddell> but seems to be getting there now
[12:18] <_Groo_> yofel: yep
[12:50] <yofel> _Groo_: please pastebin the result of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -o 'Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true'
[12:50] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VS0IbnFl
[12:52] <_Groo_> can i mix kubuntu-ppa/ppa with kubuntu-ci to install calligra updates? or will it break due to conflicting libraries?
[12:53] <yofel> I don't think calligra should break..
[12:53] <_Groo_> let me try, and see what it gives
[12:53] <yofel> and I really should've added a transitional package for libkeedu-data -.
[12:53] <yofel> -.-
[12:53] <_Groo_> yofel: dont mention it :P
[12:53] <_Groo_> yofel: im the only one that eats the dog food around here :P
[12:54] <_Groo_> i would rather get the calligra 2.9,x series though
[12:54] <_Groo_> cutting edge for cutting edge
[12:56] <yofel> hm, yeah. We should update vivid to that
[12:56] <Riddell> it hasn't been released
[12:57] <yofel> the beta post says january
[12:58] <Riddell> ah it been released, I'm a day behind calligra news
[12:58] <Riddell> it could be a code-in task I suppose
[14:05] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour https://paste.kde.org/pitxybhqt
[14:11] <soee_> why ? :) lost soul needs help
[14:15] <Riddell> hi vinay_ ever heard of this guy? https://paste.kde.org/pitxybhqt  he says he purchased support
[14:15] <Riddell> not sure if that means from you guys or not
[14:16] <sgclark> morning
[14:16] <Riddell> hola sgclark
[14:17] <soee_> Riddell: i was thinking about 2 small  things to pun on the website im working on, oe would ba s small sticker in windew corner that would link to download page (current release) and second a bit smaller sticker to donate, what do you think ?
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm going to upload applications shortly
[14:17] <soee_> hiho sgclark
[14:17] <Riddell> soee_: both good things, how do you expect your website to fit in with www.kubuntu.org ?
[14:18] <soee_> my keyboard or my fingers are broken.. every second word is wrong :/
[14:18] <soee_> Riddell: define "fit in with"
[14:19] <Riddell> soee_: will you want it under a different domain? how will they link?
[14:19] <soee_> Riddell: the official website will use kubuntu.org so im thinking about promo.kubuntu.org or something as a subdomain
[14:20] <Riddell> yep
[14:24] <soee_> also my first idea was to have as a first section on homepage some text with screen about Kubuntu but now im thinking about some cool video that will present system
[14:43] <yofel> Riddell: do you remember why we turned off the systemd support in sddm?
[14:43] <Riddell> yofel: I did it because I was hoping it would help give it logging output
[14:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi folks
[14:44] <Riddell> and let me debug why ubiquity-dm didn't transition to sddm/full session
[14:44] <Sick_Rimmit> I have feedback on the kwin_x11 command..
[14:44] <Riddell> yofel: but in the end I ran out of time
[14:44] <Riddell> yofel: turn it back on if you want
[14:45] <Sick_Rimmit> This bug gives lots of problem when I am using G+ Hangouts. I ran the provided command, prior to a hang out.
[14:45] <yofel> I'll do that for vivid then. I switched to systemd over the weekend and sddm runs rather badly without its systemd integration
[14:45] <Sick_Rimmit> It certainly seemed to change the behaviour, although there were still problems with Windows etc...
[14:45] <Sick_Rimmit> However, I got loads of output, that makes not one bit of sense to me
[14:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/9529300/
[14:47] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I think it's not a problem with g+ hangouts but with lots of stuff being sent to the screen, videos also make it more common
[14:47] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell:Oh sure I agree, but the Video wndow in G+ hangouts seems to help make the problem happen more frequent;y
[14:48] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: mFOOgraesslin is on IRC if you want to try to catch him
[14:48] <Sick_Rimmit> So what I am saying is I can use it to test, because I can be sure that if its going to freeze it will when I am running a Hangout
[14:48] <Riddell> sgclark: no ktux in kubuntu-ninjas!  that's the most important package!
[14:49] <sgclark> hmm
[14:49] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I tried running kwin_x11 in gdb then trying to get a bt when it freezes but you're working blind so it's hard
[14:49] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: and in pausing kwin_x11 I then need to switch to a linux console and start a new window manager
[14:49] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: anyway you're saying you still get the problem with KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE=0 ?
[14:52] <yofel> Riddell: would you please upload sddm 0.11.0-0ubuntu3 from git? For some reason it's not in the packageset
[14:53] <kfunk> Sick_Rimmit: what's the issue with kwin_x11? also getting 100% CPU spikes with it sometimes?
[14:53] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: we get display freezes at times, seems to affect kubuntu and intel, alt-tab unfreezes
[14:53] <Riddell> kfunk: ↑
[14:53] <kfunk> Riddell: sgclark: btw, I tried using sddm with systemd support and I horribly failed. most of the times I'm getting blank screens from sddm when starting it up via systemd.
[14:54] <kfunk> (I have *no* clue what's going on)
[14:54] <yofel> kfunk: seems to work fine here
[14:54] <yofel> although
[14:54] <yofel> I think I did get a blank screen once.. but I think that was when something deleted /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[14:54] <kfunk> Riddell: yep. also seeing display freezes. alt+tab doesn't help then, though. kwin_x11 is at 100% CPU and I need to restart the whole session.
[14:54] <yofel> still need to figure out how that happens
[14:55] <kfunk> (can't even recover with a 'DISPLAY=:0 kwin_x11 --replace' from another VT)
[14:55] <sgclark> I have enough problems with my nvidia card, I have not attempted systemd yet
[14:55] <kfunk> and stupid powerdevil/polkit still not working properly for me either
[14:56] <kfunk> (after some resumes I cannot suspend anymore, nor logout, etc.)
[14:56] <kfunk> I might have too many old config/stuff lying around, so I might have to try a fresh install at some point.
[14:57] <sgclark> yeah same here
[14:57]  * mamarley is glad he hasn
[14:57] <mamarley> oops
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: sddm uploaded
[14:58]  * mamarley is glad he hasn't upgraded his primary systems to KDE 5 yet.
[14:58] <sgclark> Riddell: seems it is MIA on applications list
[14:58] <Riddell> sgclark: should be complete now, I added a script to regenerate that list
[14:59] <kfunk> sgclark: Nvidia here as well. you think it adds problems?
[14:59] <sgclark> kfunk: yes, I cannot use the *buntu drivers at all, always blackscreen
[15:00] <mamarley> That sounds like you might still have bits of the driver left over from the .run installs causing problems.
[15:00] <kfunk> sgclark: hm, works *for me*.
[15:00] <kfunk> kwin_x11 freeze and polkit issues are the biggest leftover issues for me atm.
[15:00] <sgclark> well
[15:01] <kfunk> rest works fine
[15:01] <sgclark> it doesnt work for me lol
[15:02] <mamarley> sgclark: I would recommend that if you reinstall at some point, try the deb-packaged NVIDIA drivers before installing with .run.
[15:02] <kfunk> but indeed. debugging X11/video driver issues is still a PITA, even in 2014. I'm happy that it's working for me.
[15:02] <sgclark> but again, this is an upgrade of upgrade piled with unstable and lingering lightdm brining in all of unity and gnome, so I have many gremlins about, so I need a fresh install, but no time
[15:02] <sgclark> right I know I need new install
[15:03] <sgclark> but no time >.<
[15:03] <yofel> Riddell: thanks
[15:03] <mamarley> -ENOTIME :(
[15:04] <sgclark> Riddell: err looks like ktux was not doen on the first round.. aka no debain merge etc, gojnna be a few
[15:04] <kfunk> heh. just noticed that I had multiple kded5 instances running again (where the hell do they come from?) => killing them solved the powerdevil issue again.
[15:06] <Riddell> sgclark: however could we forget it, poor little tux
[15:06] <sgclark> :(
[15:08] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[15:08] <_Groo_> the kwin_x11 freezes with intel might be mitigated with latest git
[15:08] <_Groo_> at least im not seeing them as frequently
[15:08] <_Groo_> try my ppa and see if it fixes it
[15:08] <_Groo_> https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa/
[15:21] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:23] <sgclark> Riddell: ktux uploaded to ninjas
[15:24] <Riddell> yay!
[15:24] <Riddell> although I wasn't being serious when I said it was the most important bit :)
[15:24] <sitter> yofel: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VS0IbnFl.raw I feel like there is a transitional package needed
[15:25] <sitter> Riddell: I am reasonable certain the noci trigger only works if it is on its own line
[15:34] <Riddell> sitter: fooey
[15:34] <sitter> feel free to tweak the serverside hook though
[15:34]  * sitter couldn't be bothered to bash more involved scenarios
[15:37] <sitter> Mirv: have you pushed qtscript packaging somewhere yet?
[15:41] <Mirv> sitter: not really, since a) I plan to sync it from Debian experimental when available and b) it's one of the modules that doesn't see any changes on average. it compiled fine with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9529821/
[15:42] <sitter> fails to generate source for me http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_qtscript-opensource-src/6/console
[15:42] <sitter> then again
[15:42] <sitter> maybe the scriptery is crap
[15:42]  * sitter investigates file system
[15:43] <sitter> eek
[15:43] <sitter> Mirv: nevermind, I am too stupid to use tar :)
[15:44]  * Mirv ignores sitter :)
[15:44] <mamarley> For that, you deserve to be tarred and feathered ;)
[15:45] <sitter> such word play
[15:45] <mamarley> much bad pun
[15:45] <mamarley> wow
[15:47]  * sitter wonders how Riddell managed to cause 2 CI builds with one commit Oo
[15:47] <sitter> it's not right I say!
[15:56] <yofel> sitter: I added one earlier
[15:57] <sitter> _Groo_: ^
[15:58] <_Groo_> whatzup sitter
[15:58] <mgraesslin> sitter: is Qt 5.4 already on the CI?
[15:58] <sitter> mgraesslin: WIP
[15:58] <sitter> _Groo_: yofel says he fixed edu-data
[15:59] <mgraesslin> sitter: as I just thought about it: please remember to rebuild frameworksintegration once 5.4 is in, otherwise the platform theme is broken
[15:59] <_Groo_> sitter: yep just confirmed it
[15:59] <yofel> fixed in git, dunno if it's in CI
[15:59] <_Groo_> it is, just updated my system
[15:59] <_Groo_> kanagram and parley upgraded fine now
[15:59] <_Groo_> gj
[15:59] <yofel> wheee
[16:00] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kDja2ECd
[16:01] <_Groo_> anyone knows if ci has any option for another desktop settings besides desktop layout?
[16:01] <sitter> mgraesslin: yeah I noticed earlier that the Qt packaging is actually so smart that when linking against private bits it will inject a version dependent ABI pseudo package in the dependency, so one *must* rebuild to get the package to install ^^
[16:01] <_Groo_> its greyed out to me
[16:01] <_Groo_> maybe folder or something
[16:01] <sitter> breeze for example also links against privates
[16:01] <mgraesslin> wonderful
[16:01] <_Groo_> breezing into privates cant be a good thing
[16:01] <mgraesslin> also please recompile kwin as it has some ifdefs
[16:01] <Mirv> mgraesslin: sitter: yes I'll rebuild frameworkintegration and plasma-framework in the 5.4.0 landing silo today/tomorrow precisely since they are on the list that currently depend on this 'qtbase-abi-5-3-2' so require a rebuild
[16:02] <sitter> mgraesslin: mh, I plan to force a rebuild of everything once it's landed. IIRC some frameworks also have ifdef bugfixes
[16:03]  * sitter wonders why launchpad refuses to list suitable sources when querying for the correct version
[16:04] <Mirv> although hmm I guess you're in a middle of some transition
[16:05] <sitter> Mirv: I don't think you need to bother with our bits to be honest
[16:05] <sitter> I am about to wire 5.4 into our CI, so we should be on top of things in due time
[16:06] <mgraesslin> makes sense the complete rebuild
[16:07] <mamarley> Is there going to be a PPA for Qt 5.4?  I know about the qt5-edgers beta2 PPA, but that one still has Qt 5.4 RC in it.
[16:09] <Mirv> sitter: I need to eventually anyway since those two packages need to land with 5.4
[16:09] <Mirv> mamarley: always refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting instead of the PPA of the day
[16:09] <Mirv> I tried to keep PPA descriptions up-to-date for a year or two but it's easier to have that wiki url to point to
[16:09] <Mirv> so, I've switched from that beta2 PPA to a CI Train landing silo
[16:09] <mamarley> Cool, thanks!
[16:10] <Mirv> np
[16:10] <Mirv> sitter: plus, I want to be able to test KDE5 myself too with the latest Qt, from my own PPA :)
[16:12] <sitter> Mirv: hehe, also fine by me ^^
[16:19] <sitter> I am a bit perplexed by the launchpad api ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/9530112/ I am doing a GET to query a published source but launchpad returns an empty collection, accessing the same url through the browser works fine...
[16:21] <sitter> interestingly setting exact_match=false will make it work Oo
[16:26] <sitter> and it will start working without problems once the binaries are built
[16:30] <sitter> wgrant: any thoughts on why this might happen?
[16:33] <sitter> Mirv: qtwebkit already somewhere?
[16:38] <Mirv> sitter: no, it's ftbfs which would need tinkering bug #1395661. for other archs it does build by the current packaging with the only change being dropping / commenting out the LLIntCLoop32BigEndian.patch applying
[16:39] <Mirv> sitter: now pushed to normal ~kubuntu-packagers branch what I had
[16:40] <sitter> thank you :)
[16:41] <sitter> shadeslayer, Riddell: thoughts on rolling out stable CI in early january?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> whats stable CI?
[16:41] <sitter> plasma stable branch CI
[16:41] <shadeslayer> mmmh
[16:41] <shadeslayer> yeah sure
[16:42] <sitter> then Riddell also has less reason to complain when he has to do work for stable releases (:
[16:42] <Riddell> sitter: I still need to run various scripts, all of which ideally would be automated
[16:43] <sitter> that's the endgame, yeah
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:44] <sitter> as a matter of fact getting Qt landed in utopic CI made me write parts of the tech needed even though I only wanted to dive into that next year :S
[16:44] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:46] <Riddell> sitter: when you ask about rolling out stable CI in early january what's the blocker there? isn't it just you writing the bits it needs?
[16:46] <sitter> that's the blocker
[16:47] <sitter> also processes should be pretty solid before we go there
[16:47] <sitter> Riddell: libkscreen merge broken btw
[16:49] <Riddell> something changed in the symbols there but not in the source
[16:49] <sitter> no, the symbol file was removed because the soname is different
[16:52] <sitter> mhmh
[16:52] <sitter> qtwebkit build blocking everything
[16:52] <sitter> I think I can call it a day now xD
[16:58] <Riddell> have a nice evening sitter, thank you for your hard work
[17:08] <sitter> but but I am still here ^^
[17:08] <sitter> here and hating qmake :@
[17:21] <sgclark> heh fighting with qmake as well
[17:22] <Riddell> port qt to cmake?
[17:22] <Riddell> I wonder which would be more bother, the porting or the qmake maintainer
[17:29] <sitter> I think someone at some point even had a proof of concept of minimal qt built with cmake
[17:47] <sitter> uh ah eh
[17:47] <sitter> shadeslayer: didn't we have problems with qtwebkit building in neon times way back?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:48] <shadeslayer> path issues IIRC
[17:48] <yofel> what character was that again?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> make sure your path doesn't have spaces or hyphens
[17:48] <shadeslayer> one of those two
[17:55] <sitter> God I hate building webkit
[18:57] <sitter> Mirv: WRT webkit... maybe pch should just be switched off. appears to me even the upstream 5.4.0 integration CI builds on linux all ran with -no-pch which seems a bit dodgy, all the more reason not to use pch though :S
[18:57] <sitter> also I can't put my finger on why exactly it is failing, so I am no help
[19:31] <BluesKaj> hmm,no printer install options in system settings plasma 5...what gives?


[20:59] <Haris> hello all
[20:59] <Haris> any guys around ?
[20:59] <Haris> anyone know how to remove mysql from out-of-the-box watchdog on 14.04 ?