 @KMyers did you ever have problems with that white filament?
 I made about 10-failed prints with everything perfectly calibrated on that white stuff.  Then I switched to the wood, and it's working awesome https://print.adamoutler.com/webcam/?action=stream&1507078111745
 I don't support Apple, but weren't they a major player on the cups system back in the day?
 @AdamOutler, No, I have not
 @govatent, Yes but the Apple of the past is not the Apple now
 True
 Btw what's this trim application I've been hearing about
 Trim: An Assistant That Saves You Money … http://www.asktrim.com/
 Google is announcing Pixel2, 2xl, Google home mini, and plus today.
 At 12pm EST.
 I'm really hoping home plus has a display.
 watching the google show at work
 Lucky
 this is awesome
 @KMyers @itnet7 any word on the release party?
 I can grab some swag and send it out
 No. Will reboot that in a bit. Feel free to send stuff to my house if you can and I will ensure it is taken to the event
 Thanks, I can grab some Pop stickers too for people we are testing that and using that
 My internet is out along with several towers between work and home.
 @AdamOutler, Damn


[00:46] <pleia2> haha
[00:46] <DonkeyHotei> hoho
[01:44]  * ianorlin just listened to a talk by jon maddog hall and I realize how many of the 12 bugs I reported he says on average would be about 3 confrence rooms full of people that have reported bugs in proprietary software and I have only been at this 18 months which is pretty shocking when you think about it
[01:44] <ianorlin> oh wait that doesn't count my lxqt ones that have been fixed
[23:01] <rww> still at 14 ballots cast
[23:02] <rww> i don't think this election is going to have a particularly amazing turnout :P
[23:02] <pleia2> welcome to elections in open source projects
[23:02] <pleia2> someone in the openstack project was sad about 35% turnout once, I was like "no, that's kind of spectacular"
[23:03] <rww> yeah, we're at 20-something%, I think
[23:03] <rww> to be fair, I've never heard of half of our LP members, so... yeah
[23:03] <rww> makes you wonder why they bother renewing
[23:04] <pleia2> well, I'm glad they care enough to do :)
[23:04] <pleia2> and this is why survey!
[23:04] <pleia2> why are you here? how can we get you to engage?
[23:04] <pleia2> ...assuming they respond to that
[23:04] <pleia2> I don't respond to any of the ACM membership polls, I kind of feel bad now
[23:04]  * pleia2 lurker
[23:05] <elky> rww: i think there's some misplaced value on the number or type of memberships on launchpad in some parts of the world
[23:07] <nhaines> Well, LoCo Team members should be people who are actively interested in pursuing Ubuntu advocacy.
[23:07] <nhaines> But I think there's been a bit of a mixed message on that in the past.
[23:13] <elky> nhaines: based on my experience on the oceania RMB, people in some developing countries think being on the official membership list for ubuntu can get you hired/respect/a promotion. it wasn't unheard of for people to turn up begging for membership before contributing for this reason
[23:13] <rww> sometimes people want @ubuntu/member/* IRC cloaks because they're a member of a LoCo team
[23:13] <rww> that's always fun
[23:14] <nhaines> elky: to be fair, my Ubuntu contributions *have* sailed me right through the interviews for my last 3 jobs.
[23:14] <elky> i imagine some join as many loco groups as possible as "proof" that they have network
[23:14] <rww> ubuntu membership's done basically nothing for me
[23:14] <elky> nhaines: your contributions have, sure. so have mine. these people wanted something for nothing
[23:14] <rww> I had an LWN subscription for free for a bit, that's it
[23:15] <pleia2> rww: the gandi.net deal is pretty epic
[23:15] <nhaines> Well, to be honest, the business cards are an eye catcher but it's been the "public speaking" and "published magazine articles" that really did it.
[23:16] <pleia2> the email address has been helpful for me, when people seek to take me seriously as a contributor and expert
[23:17] <nhaines> pleia2: the email address is pretty handy.
[23:17] <rww> looks like Gandhi would save me less than a dollar a year on domain registration, and I don't need web hosting
[23:17] <rww> Gandi, even
[23:17] <pleia2> rww: ah, I guess not everyone has a fleet of domains :)
[23:17] <pleia2> it's saving me a lot
[23:17] <rww> indeed. I only have one :)
[23:18] <pleia2> but they are a great company too, and hosting our SF global jam in February \o/
[23:18]  * pleia2 needs to create a wiki page for that soon
[23:18] <nhaines> I have the scientifically funniest domain name possible.
[23:18] <rww> oh hey, i stop being a loco leader in like a week
[23:19] <nhaines> http://www.ilickedyourcupcake.com/
[23:19] <darthrobot> Title: [I licked your cupcake]
[23:19] <rww> somehow this didn't occur to me
[23:19] <pleia2> me too \o/
[23:19] <rww> nhaines: lol
[23:19] <nhaines> rww: see?
[23:20] <pleia2> I bought rainwreck.com a while back, which spawned t, d, b, g subdomains hosted by myself and friends
[23:20] <pleia2> that's been fun, and lasted far longer than I expected
[23:20] <nhaines> haha
[23:21] <nhaines> pleia2: what do vegan zombies eat?
[23:21] <pleia2> I don't know
[23:21] <nhaines> Graaaaiiiinnns!
[23:21] <pleia2> :)
[23:22] <rww> i got cookies from someone at work
[23:22] <rww> i love living with a gluten-free person :3
[23:22] <elky> :(
[23:22] <rww> lolz
[23:22] <elky> was this for the mt dew?
[23:23] <rww> no, from one of the office secretaries
[23:23] <rww> same one that gave me the blanket
[23:23] <elky> ah
[23:23] <elky> have you told her the cat rates the blanket to be delicious yet?
[23:24] <elky> s/to be/as/
[23:24] <elky> (it has tassels)
[23:25] <rww> elky: nope
[23:25] <nhaines> elky: or as your cat describes it: portions.
[23:25] <elky> nhaines: he doesn' tknow that word
[23:26] <pleia2> hehe
[23:28] <nhaines> Went to see if USPS had delivered my business cards yet.  The mail truck is five houses down headed this way.
[23:30] <pleia2> soon!
[23:32] <nhaines> Okay, let's see what these look like.
[23:33] <rww> i should get business cards
[23:34] <nhaines> Ooh.
[23:35] <nhaines> These do *not* look bad.
[23:36] <pleia2> hooray for not bad
[23:36] <pleia2> :)
[23:37] <nhaines> For US business card dimensions, the GPG key barely runs along the bottom of the card.  But they didn't cut off.  :)
[23:38] <nhaines> So that's 200 cards.
[23:38] <nhaines> Half white, half orange. :)
[23:38]  * pleia2 waits for pictures
[23:38] <rww> the only reason i'd actually use business cards is for a gpg key :s
[23:39] <rww> hrm, i wonder if work will make me some
[23:39] <pleia2> rww: until you realize half the people you want to sign (and most of the important ones!) want a proper printout of your fingerprint in gpg format instead of on a business card :(
[23:40] <rww> weird
[23:40] <pleia2> I still do it though, it works in a pinch for people who aren't stuck in their ways
[23:40] <nhaines> rww: I can get you US size templates.  The UK size is on the wiki page.
[23:40] <rww> nhaines: please do
[23:40] <pleia2> can the US size ones show up on the wiki page? :)
[23:41] <nhaines> pleia2: now that I've tested them not just on my printer.  :)
[23:41] <pleia2> \o/
[23:42] <elky> that seems like something of an oversight to not have US format...
[23:42] <nhaines> elky: I don't believe they had US format before.
[23:43] <elky> that would only emphasise my point
[23:43] <nhaines> Anyway, I had to steal a Canonical card to do a match, and they're all UK format because reasons.
[23:43] <nhaines> elky: oh, in that case Canonical's provided artwork hasn't changed since 2005.
[23:44] <elky> pretty sure it did with the rebranding
[23:44]  * nhaines takes the original format cards out of his wallet and replaces them with new branded cards.
[23:44] <nhaines> elky: it didn't.
[23:44] <elky> lol
[23:44] <elky> still has the old tri-color circle of friends?
[23:44] <rww> i miss that logo :(
[23:44] <nhaines> Yup.  I think Paul Sladen was *this* close to having Canonical Design spend 30 minutes to push out a redesign.
[23:45] <nhaines> But he never managed.
[23:45] <pleia2> rww: it's ok, we still have it for california :)
[23:45] <elky> lol
[23:45] <rww> pleia2: i know :)
[23:45] <pleia2> I keep thinking we should do something about that, but the list of things I "should" do has been banished
[23:45] <nhaines> Paul Sladen moving on is also why anything to do with the font died.  (Like an awesome bitmap version for server consoles.)
[23:45] <nhaines> pleia2: maybe you'll have more time on the 2nd!
[23:46] <pleia2> nhaines: actually, I think that's the day my editor puts out a contract on my life :s
[23:46] <nhaines> ha.
[23:47] <pleia2> "I'll have something to you after the holidays" <-- famous last words
[23:48] <pleia2> oh my gosh!
[23:48] <pleia2> http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guide-Ubuntu-Linux-4th/dp/0133927318/
[23:48] <darthrobot> Title: [A Practical Guide to Ubuntu Linux (4th Edition): Mark G. Sobell:<PHONE_NUMBER>313: Amazon.com: Books]
[23:48] <pleia2> take a look at the cover :D :D
[23:48] <rww> \o/
[23:48] <nhaines> I got permission from an indie author I love to use a screenshot from the first page of his book to show off Calibre.  And I literally told him "I'm emailing you from my @ubuntu.com address because my editor might email me at my @nhaines.com address asking how my book is going, and who needs that this morning?"
[23:49] <nhaines> pleia2: oh wow, great pull quote  :D
[23:50] <pleia2> I spent much of my summer doing reviews of it
[23:50] <pleia2> many chapters, but was fun
[23:53] <pleia2> for certain values of fun
[23:54] <nhaines> nerd!
[23:55] <pleia2> truth
[23:56] <nhaines> It's a living.
[23:56] <pleia2> a pretty good one, turns out
[23:56] <nhaines> Beats the alternative.


[08:30] <wolf89> guys, can some1 tell me hot to avoid overwriting my pc mbr when installing ubuntu?
[08:39] <topyli> wolf89, you have that option during installation. this is not a support channel though, please join #ubuntu for help
[08:40] <topyli> feel free to talk about irc! :)
[14:39] <erUSUL> !ipod
[14:40] <bazhang> ifuse comes with lucid, there is a PPA for karmic now
[14:40] <bazhang> for the newer iPods and of course iPhones
[14:41] <erUSUL> ok; thanks !
[14:41] <bazhang> no real need to change the factoid (imo) as lucid is so close
[14:42] <bazhang> hopefully we can !forget factoid by that point :)
[14:43] <erUSUL> bazhang: even if it is uber-automatic people will keep asking ;)
[14:43] <bazhang> erUSUL, good point :)
[14:44] <erUSUL> bazhang: see what happens with flash and mp3. how many versions have been ubuntu offering to install both when needed? still people pop up on the channel and ask...
[14:44] <bazhang> not to mention the buttons switching sides, and the new popups or lack of
[14:45] <erUSUL> :)
[14:56] <[Raiden]> change the ipod on one of the cowon or iriver and no problems to sync
[14:56] <[Raiden]> )
[14:57] <bazhang> well most users want something that 'just works' ; asking them to install new firmware etc is not for the fainthearted
[15:25] <vish> hi , i added a new factoid [!newunitspolicy] to #u+1 channel , it was forwarded to -ops but hasnt been added yet , anyone know about it?
[15:27] <bazhang> vish, not shown up there; did you do it correctly ?
[15:27] <vish> bazhang: i did !newunitspolicy is <text>
[15:27] <vish> and ubottu mentioned it was forwarded
[15:28] <bazhang> vish try !factoid is <reply> blah blah blah etc
[15:28] <vish> ah , ok..
[15:28] <bazhang> not seen it forwarded unless the bot is severely lagging
[15:31] <vish> bazhang: now?
[15:31] <vish> bad ubottu ;p
[15:31] <vish> it lied to me yesterday ;)
[15:31] <bazhang> success
[15:31] <vish> thanks
[15:31] <bazhang> the more senior ops will review and include or not
[15:32] <bazhang> vish, any suggestions for the switch buttons factoid ?
[15:32] <vish> hmm , thats a tricky one :D
[15:33]  * vish thinks
[15:33] <bazhang> gnomefreak had one iirc but I seem to have misplaced it :)
[15:33] <bazhang> well plenty of time before release at any rate
[15:42] <vish> buttons >  The titlebar buttons have switched to the left during the development phase of Lucid. No need for alarm! The developers are testing this and listening to user feedback. The final decision about the position will be made after beta. Kindly be patient. For more insight , kindly read : http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281
[15:42] <vish> bazhang: ^
[15:43] <bazhang> vish thanks :)
[15:43] <bazhang> we may need a fall back option though should the changes be permanent :)
[15:43] <bazhang> I'll ask gnomefreak
[15:44] <vish> bazhang: we can update that after beta ;)
[15:44] <bazhang> vish good point :)
[15:45]  * vish sends factoid
[15:46] <bazhang> sorry I dont anything about factoid
[15:46] <vish> bazhang: np.. i just forwarded it no hurry :)
[15:46] <bazhang> vish just kidding; was received


[02:16] <tripelb> There is a new problem between distros with 20.04. Sum: the display below the panel is distorted for mate and xbuntu on my hp probook. - I worked with mate and someone suggested it is the compositor. He mentioned 3, one was compiz. Marco.  Compton. -- Can you help me/us figure out the problem? I assume my laptop is not an outlier.
[04:21] <StupidLikeAFox> I can't seem to side scroll- either in a browser or something I opened in image viewer
[04:22] <StupidLikeAFox> I don't see anything that looks relevant in mouse settings
[04:24] <StupidLikeAFox> Actually, normal scroll changes images instead of scrolling in image viewer, and neither scroll works in pinta
[04:25] <StupidLikeAFox> Yeah, normal works but side doesn't in LibreOffice calc, it seems broken system wide
[06:35] <Belph> I seem to have problems getting a WiFi hotspot to work. journalctl output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s33BWKz75S/ My WiFi Adapter is Belkin N300 (F7D2101) marked as "works out of the box" on help.ubuntu
[06:38] <diogenes_> Belph, it says: Activation: (wifi) Ad-Hoc network creation took too long, failing activation.
[06:39] <diogenes_> Ad-Hoc is not hotspot, you chose a different option.
[06:40] <Belph> Yeah, I noticed that the first time reading the log. I used the "Create new WiFi Network" option in the network-manager GUI to make this. Let me try setting it to Hotspot, iirc I got a similar result.
[06:42] <Belph> "Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection (device enp3s0 not available because profile is not compatible with device (mismatching interface name))." Sounds like I have to enable network sharing for my wired connection.
[06:43] <diogenes_> Belph, nope, tell me how you create the hotspot.
[06:45] <Belph> NM-tray-icon > Create new WiFi Network... > set " Wifi Security" to "WPA & WPA2 Personal" > entered test credentials and clicked "create"
[06:45] <Belph> This created the Ad-hoc. I then for my second try just edited the created network so it would have Hotspot as mode instead of Ad-hoc
[06:46] <diogenes_> Belph, ok let's do it a different way, first run in terminal: nm-connection-editor
[06:46] <Belph> Done. Editor is open.
[06:46] <diogenes_> click here: https://i.imgur.com/5yylZc1.png
[06:47] <diogenes_> on +
[06:47] <Belph> Giving me a wide range of options to choose from.
[06:47] <diogenes_> pick wifi and click 'create'.
[06:48] <Belph> Done
[06:49] <diogenes_> now modify the info like this: https://i.imgur.com/w99Era5.png
[06:49] <diogenes_> exactly like in the pic, click on Mode: and pick Hotspot
[06:49] <Belph> Done
[06:49] <diogenes_> and no security so far, click save.
[06:50] <Belph> Okay
[06:51] <Belph> The profile is created now but not active, right?
[06:51] <diogenes_> now click on the network icon and pick 'Connect to hidden wifi' https://i.imgur.com/yjCCUM6.png
[06:52] <Belph> https://imgur.com/QQbysjf.png
[06:53] <Belph> Everything is greyed out, I am not able to connect.
[06:53] <diogenes_> Belph, i asked no security, we're testing now, pick only 'myhotspot' and security: none
[06:54] <Belph> https://imgur.com/DID90Ug.png
[06:54] <Belph> I did follow those instructions. I have tried the exact same steps before.
[06:55] <diogenes_> i mean here you pick 'none' https://i.imgur.com/eRXy45z.png
[06:56] <Belph> It automatically fills in WPA3 and greys it out.
[06:56] <Belph> After selecting the "myhotspot"
[06:57] <diogenes_> hmmm that's weird, hen try to set the security and a password.
[06:57] <diogenes_> then*
[06:59] <Belph> 1. https://imgur.com/qQriVG7.png 2. https://imgur.com/JdS50lo.png
[06:59] <Belph> It appears to always set it to WPA3 Personal
[07:00] <diogenes_> Belph, ok here: https://i.imgur.com/co7RLHz.png
[07:01] <diogenes_> click on Device and pick the right one.
[07:01] <Belph> Same result :(
[07:02] <diogenes_> hmm does your wifi adapter even work? does it see the wireless networks?
[07:03] <Belph> It worked two days ago under Windows 10 as hotspot
[07:03] <Belph> and yeah sorry I see all normal WiFi networks
[07:05] <Belph> Okay, for testing I just connected to a WiFi network and it successfully connected.
[07:06] <diogenes_> it could be that you need a different driver for it, it might not support AP.
[07:07] <Belph> r8712u is the listed driver on help.ubuntu, can I somehow check if that one is installed?
[07:07] <diogenes_> Belph, run: lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:07] <diogenes_> share the link.
[07:08] <Belph> It didn't generate a link.
[07:09] <diogenes_> Belph, sudo apt install netcat
[07:10] <Belph> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KX7ZZPB3xd/ I am sorry, no output.
[07:11] <diogenes_> ok just run this: lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3
[07:11] <Belph> No output either, the "lspci -nnk" however works
[07:12] <diogenes_> inxi -Nc0
[07:13] <Belph> https://termbin.com/746x
[07:13] <diogenes_> yeah it uses r8712u
[07:14] <diogenes_> ok i gtg now and i'd suggest you take a look at this script which helped me once to create the hotspot: https://github.com/oblique/create_ap
[07:14] <Belph> Okay, thanks you very much. :D
[07:15] <diogenes_> come with a feedback, good luck!
[07:15]  * diogenes_ is offline
[07:17] <tlrrd> Hi, an asus ux330ua laptop, fresh xubuntu 20.04 install. when I reopen the lip after a suspend, the mouse moves but I'm unable to click on anything. dropping to an Alt-f1 console I tried DISPLAY=:0 xkill on a hunch, and got "unable to grab cursor", which I've not seen before.doing sudo service lightdm restart fixes it.... while destroying my
[07:17] <tlrrd> session (which says to my mind that it is not the touchpad driver).
[07:57] <xu-irc21w> hello i cant execute java files (.command in this case), no matter which version i install it always says "Error occurred during initialization of boot layer java.lang.module.FindException: Module java.xml.bind not found"
[07:57] <xu-irc21w> couldnt find anything online on this
[08:05] <xu-irc21w> anyone?
[08:06] <diogenes_> xu-irc21w, ?
[08:06] <xu-irc21w> i cant execute java files (.command in this case), no matter which
[08:07] <xu-irc21w> version i install it always says "Error occurred during initialization
[08:07] <xu-irc21w> of boot layer java.lang.module.FindException: Module java.xml.bind not
[08:07] <xu-irc21w> found"
[08:07] <xu-irc21w> woops sorry for the formatting
[08:08] <diogenes_> xu-irc21w, /j #java
[08:09] <xu-irc21w> says i need to be invited
[08:10] <diogenes_> sorry: /j ##java
[08:11] <xu-irc21w> still says i cant join :/
[08:12] <Belph> What's the message? I was able to join.
[08:12] <diogenes_> oh it means you need to register.
[08:17] <Belph> I'm lurking the java channel x] they didn't make it
[09:26] <Belph> Desktop Environments are usually rendered with OpenGL, right? Is there the possibility to render them with Vulkan? (just a weird thought)
[10:00] <brainwash> Belph: possible with wayland
[10:05] <Belph> XFCE4 does not support Wayland, does it? I read that GNOME and KDE both already do.
[10:06] <brainwash> correct
[10:56] <tripelb> Hi i have a display problem in 20.04 that shows up in mate and xubuntu but not ubuntu.   Someone here had ideas that had words like marco compton and compiz -- but what we tried only made ot look as good as safe mode aka readable but not good.  Ideas?
[10:57] <tripelb> Yo diogenes_ or maybe you are gone
[11:06] <brainwash> tripelb: amd gpu?
[11:08] <tripelb> 4 am. I crashed (fell asleep with the lights on, heh. I had a coty council meeting on, out loud over an old phone. 7+ hours of it. Lasted till 10.
[11:09] <tripelb> Now it is 4 am here.
[11:10] <tripelb> sm0ruxo I thought I would check in where the night people live with my problem... depends on
[11:11] <tripelb> So
[11:12] <tripelb> Not sm0rux  odd problem my first letter get expanded sometimes, only on freenode channels
[11:19] <tripelb> 20.04 screen verucals dont line up and display unusable but top panel fine -- in mate AND xubuntu -- ubuntu is fine. No answer from their channels. (Same horrible adding their de to ubuntu)  which in these things is unlike the other?
[11:20] <diogenes_> tripelb, so you're distro hopping now :) another sleepless night in Santa Monica?
[11:21] <tripelb> I've been working on this for days.
[11:21] <diogenes_> is the display unusable with Xubuntu too?
[11:22] <tripelb> I don't like standard Ubuntu de. I've been using it with a mate DE for years with 18.04 and never had any problem
[11:22] <tripelb> I like to have an application tree. I like to be able to see which programs are installed without typing in each name.
[11:22] <tripelb> Yes I've tried a bunch of tweaks. It just gets tweaky. The application tree is there and then it vanishes
[11:23] <tripelb> Besides it's a contribution to mate and xubuntu to find out what is making this unpleasant result happen
[11:24] <bluesabre> tripelb: does it look like this? https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1255542362287333378
[11:24] <tripelb> Yes on both ma and xu.  Gnite
[13:28] <xu-irc43w> Hello everyone, did any of you experienced issues using Zoom on XFCE recently (screen freezing for 2-4 minutes) ?
[13:57] <ipkh> Hello, my Xubuntu desktop keeps suspending the session on long breaks causing Folding at Home to get a Pause command.  This behavior was not present in 18.04 and no amount of fiddling with power settings seems to fix this.
[15:25] <jdwwatts> scince my new install yesterday one blue tooth error message came up but everything looks fine also while installing i chose the one that divided the hard drive  into two equal partitions because there were a few documents  i thought i would move over before getting rid of the old system nothing terribly important. I was able to connect to my phone  with bluetooth and the error  message has not returned
[15:27] <diogenes_> jdwwatts, so i guess that's good news?
[15:27] <jdwwatts> Is here a command to move the documents from the old to the new system ?
[15:27] <jdwwatts> yes very good
[15:28] <diogenes_> jdwwatts, just mount the old partition in thunar and copy all you need.
[15:29] <jdwwatts> good whats thunar?
[15:30] <diogenes_> the file manager.
[15:30] <jdwwatts> oh i found it
[16:59] <TheCoolest[m]> I was @ed?
[17:01] <TheCoolest[m]> tripelb
[17:17] <xu-irc76w> hello im justin royal and im tiren to delete account off of a laptop i forgot to passwrods to
[18:29] <RDG> Does anybody know how to change the font size in the console? (I dont use it, just asking for a friend who does not speak English)
[18:29] <RDG> I mean, the shortcut
[18:32] <coconut> RDG, EDIT > Preferences... > Appearance > Font > then click on the font using currently for a popup to change font and/or font size.
[18:33] <RDG> coconut, thanks a lot :)
[18:33] <coconut> sure
[23:15] <xu-help25w> Hello
[23:17] <xu-help25w> Can someone help me with installation xubuntu 20.04 LTS driver for wireless 1490 dual band WLAN mini-card? I'm new to Linux
[23:25] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi
[23:35] <xu-help25w> Can some help me step by step to install?
[23:47] <lighterowl> a quick search shows that card is 15 years old.
[23:47] <lighterowl> worse yet, it's Broadcom. :(


[06:35] <haitao> I have some questions related to setting up MAAS on virtual box, is this the right place?
[06:50] <lifeless> haitao: yes
[09:57] <racedo> roaksoax: no, I've seen what you say in the past (not specifying the domain in the maas-name constraint fixing it)
[09:58] <racedo> roaksoax: in this case it never matches and creates an additional machine that doesn't exist
[13:03] <AskUbuntu> Why doesn't the nova-cloud-controller charm properly set up openstack networking? | http://askubuntu.com/q/265489
[14:50] <roaksoax> racedo: has the backport of django in ppa fixed your issue?
[14:51] <racedo> hey roaksoax
[14:51] <racedo> i did it before updating
[14:52] <racedo> roaksoax: i ended up not using constraints as i needed it up and running but i think i can reproduce it easily
[14:52] <racedo> i can try now if you want and have it 15 mins
[14:53] <roaksoax> racedo: nothing in the logs?
[14:53] <racedo> yeah, i'll show you
[14:53] <racedo> i need to rebuild it now because i destroyed everything
[15:26] <racedo> roaksoax: i did it today and it just works, the only difference is that i have updated python-django
[15:27] <racedo> roaksoax: so i fortunately cannot reproduce it... that's weird, yesterday i had the old python-django from the ppa anyway
[15:28] <roaksoax> racedo: that's probably it
[15:29] <roaksoax> racedo: the problem really was that a security update landed with the same ubuntu revision as the package we had prepared for maas, and since it hasn't yet been released, it obviously took the version of the security fix
[15:29] <roaksoax> so since Daviey already backported it, we should be good to go
[15:36] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy!! So I just saw two more branches were landed in lp:maas/1.2
[15:37] <roaksoax> rvba: are those realted to the file storage thing?
[15:37] <rvba> roaksoax: Hi!  Yes, these are cleanup branches.  If you can include them in the SRU great, if not, that's not the end of the world.
[15:38] <roaksoax> rvba: ok cool :)
[15:38] <roaksoax> i think i might be able to
[15:38] <rvba> Cool :)
[15:48] <racedo> roaksoax: yeah i noticed, thanks for having fixed it so quick, maas-developers/stable is now the one we use
[15:49] <roaksoax> racedo: cool! the sru should be comming soon too
[15:56] <Bobby_V> REMINDER:  At 11:00 CT, the NebOps admins will be departing for their team outing.  Our huntgroup will be monitored by the CI Engineers.  We will be having team fun until 18:30 CT.  Our On Call admin will cover from then until 3rd shift is on line at 22:30.  As always, should emergencies arise, we will be available to handle incidents/outages.
[18:30] <mross> Hi, I'm trying to setup maas-dhcp to pixeboot a cluster
[18:30] <mross> My nodes aren't picking up the dhcp server
[18:31] <mross> [mezeoadmin@maas]~❯  service maas-dhcp-server status
[18:31] <mross> maas-dhcp-server start/running, process 2747
[18:31] <mross> So it is running, but what would prevent the nodes from finding the dhcp server
[18:31] <mross> ??


[22:16] <TheMaster> Well well, ubot2 is back.
[22:21] <Unit193> ubot2: arm
[22:21] <ubot2> ARM is a specific (RISC) processor architecture used in a variety of applications such as handhelds and networkdevices. For more information see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM . For ARM specific support, stop by the #ubuntu-arm channel.
[22:21] <Unit193> ubot2: info firefox trusty
[22:21] <ubot2> 'trusty' is not a valid distribution:


[04:30] <paultag> braiam: Did you verify with xchat?
[04:31] <paultag> braiam: mark it as confirmed and I'll set to triaged / wishlist
[04:31] <paultag> braiam: (but only mark it if you can duplicate)
[04:31] <paultag> I don't have xchat here, so I can't test (and i'm way to lazy to be installing it) :)
[04:32] <paultag> it looks like a regression as well
[04:32] <braiam> paultag: ok, ty
[04:33] <paultag> braiam: cheers, poke me after you test :)
[04:33] <ikt> is xchat still under active development?
[04:33] <paultag> ikt: yeah
[04:33] <paultag> ikt: I reported a bug on it a while back on SF and it got fixed
[04:33]  * paultag shrugs
[04:33] <ikt> ah nice
[04:33] <paultag> :)
[04:34] <braiam> paultag: remember me the no of the bug
[04:34] <paultag> 07:03 < braiam> bug 448736 is a wish
[04:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 448736 in xchat (Ubuntu) "Default download folder is not ideal (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448736
[04:35] <braiam> paultag: done
[04:36] <paultag> braiam: could you comment that you reproduced it?
[04:36] <paultag> sorry for the pedantic nitpicking, I just have not tested it personally
[04:40] <braiam> paultag: anyway, how did you know that i'm using xchat
[04:40] <paultag> [Freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from braiam: xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu
[04:40] <paultag> braiam: but I only just did that now. You asked to have it fixed up so I'll put the work on you :)
[04:42] <braiam> paultag: sorry i'm kinda lagging a bit
[04:42] <braiam> done
[04:42] <paultag> braiam: np.
[04:42] <paultag> braiam: All set, thanks!
[04:43] <paultag> braiam: Now, xchat has an upstream bug tracking system
[04:43] <paultag> braiam: You should forward this bug there, and then link that to this bug report
[04:44] <paultag> braiam: after you report it, you can add the "remote" bug by clicking on "Also affects project"
[15:17] <JoshuaL> question, what status should a bug get when its old and the user says that he cant reproduce it anymore? should it stay on incomplete or invalid?
[15:24] <vish> JoshuaL: if not reproduced anymore, are invalid; I use a variation of this response » https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change
[15:25] <JoshuaL> vish, ok ty
[15:38] <JoshuaL> vish, another question, when someone asks for more information and its status is set to incomplete and the person answers that question, what status should the bug get then?
[15:41] <vish> JoshuaL: if you think the bug has sufficient info, then triaged/confirmed.. if not ask a follow-up and leave as incomplete
[15:41]  * vish bbiab
[15:41] <JoshuaL> vish, ok thanks again :)
[16:00] <BigWhale> Greetings. Is anyone using thunderbird to filter launchpad email?
[16:03] <Ampelbein> BigWhale: I did for some time
[16:05] <BigWhale> Ampelbein, and it was actually working? For me, thunderbird is ignoring X-Launchpad-Bug headers ... As if they don't exist. I wish there was some debugging feature.
[16:06] <Ampelbein> BigWhale: It was working fine, yes. let me quickly create a test filter
[16:06] <Ampelbein> (I'm using server side filtering now)
[16:08] <Ampelbein> BigWhale: works, I tested with "X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale" as  header field and "Subscriber" in 'Contains'.
[16:10] <Ampelbein> BigWhale: http://paste.ubuntu.com/607841/ is the filter
[16:14] <BigWhale> hmmm
[16:17] <BigWhale> my filters are all type 16 ... that's the only difference I see
[17:13] <dlbike76> Hello.  Is anyone from bugcontrol online?
[17:14] <paultag> dlbike76: I have just a second
[17:14] <Ampelbein> dlbike76: I am (sort of)
[17:14] <paultag> watching chopped :)
[17:14] <dlbike76> Ok.  I confirmed bug 772242 because I can reproduce it.
[17:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772242 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Shortcuts doesn't work (affects: 5) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772242
[17:15] <dlbike76> But I don't think the package is correct because it is a hotkey problem, so the root cause would likely be in another lower-level program.
[17:15] <paultag> dlbike76: aye, I agree
[17:15] <dlbike76> The instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting don't really help.
[17:15] <paultag> dlbike76: you should also mark that other bug as a dupe
[17:16] <paultag> it would be gnome-settings-manager, I think
[17:16] <paultag> hold on
[17:16] <paultag> gnome-settings-daemon
[17:16] <dlbike76> Yeah I'm thinking they would be the same root cause.
[17:16] <paultag> I think that does the keybindings
[17:16] <dlbike76> I'll mark the other one as a dupe and look for other possible duplicates.
[17:16] <paultag> dlbike76: yeah, retarget to gnome-settings-daemon, mark that other bug as a dupe and I'll triage
[17:17] <paultag> dlbike76: awesome
[17:17] <paultag> dlbike76: if you retarget that bug I can mark it up now before my show's back on :)
[17:18] <paultag> dlbike76: also, what severity and why, please :)
[17:19] <dlbike76> Ok I retargeted it.  Let me look at the Importance wiki and get back to you in a minute.
[17:19] <paultag> great :)
[17:24] <dlbike76> paultag:  I'm having a hard time with the importance.  I think high because the problem has the potential to affect the entire gnome stack.
[17:25] <paultag> dlbike76: I'd have a hard time calling it high without a really good argument
[17:25] <paultag> dlbike76: but I'm open to it. Think it out and argue it to me :)
[17:25] <paultag> dlbike76: keep in mind you can reset application level hotkeys (at least you should be able to)
[17:25] <paultag> so there's a "workaround"
[17:26] <dlbike76> Medium then?
[17:26] <paultag> dlbike76: argue it to me! :)
[17:26] <paultag> dlbike76: the whole process of learning how to handle bugs includes setting bug statuses :)
[17:27] <dlbike76> Ok.  Let me look at the Important wiki some more...
[17:27] <paultag> :)
[17:28] <dlbike76> Ok, what is the definition of a core vs non-core application?
[17:29] <paultag> dlbike76: I'm not up-to-date on that stuff anymore. I'd guess it would be stuff on the default install
[17:32] <dlbike76> This importance stuff is really discretionary...  I mean if I used 12 workspaces then I would consider it severe and classify it as high, because it seems to affect all combinations of F11 and F12
[17:33] <paultag> dlbike76: yeah, it is, but you have to weigh how common that case is
[17:33] <dlbike76> But the average use may not even notice the problem.
[17:33] <paultag> dlbike76: it's an art, not a science (yet)
[17:33] <paultag> dlbike76: right :)
[17:34] <dlbike76> I think medium would be the best balance to get it looked at and fixed ASAP.
[17:35] <paultag> dlbike76: I would have done medium myself, I think. I'll mark it Medium
[17:35] <paultag> dlbike76: can you mark bug 774870 as dupe?
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 774870 in ubuntu "Alt-F11 and Alt-F12 keybindings no longer work (dup-of: 772242)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774870
[17:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772242 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Shortcuts doesn't work (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 34)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772242
[17:36] <paultag> Oh it is :)
[17:36] <dlbike76> Thanks!
[17:36] <paultag> dlbike76: thank you :)
[18:21] <njin> hello fellow triagers, translating this line 'Since there is almost no distro patching of DX projects packaging bugs are an extremely small subset of bugs reported.' does DX means diagnostics?
[18:22] <paultag> njin: desktop experence
[18:22] <paultag> njin: DX is a medical term as well, though, yeah :)
[18:22] <njin> LOL
[18:22] <njin> thanks paultag
[18:22] <paultag> njin: sure thing, thanks for helping :)
[18:23] <njin> mine pleasure
[19:07] <JoshuaL> can someone triage bug 783111 for me please? I believe it has all the info needed and its improtance should be low.
[19:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 783111 in unity (Ubuntu) "Workspace switcher disappears when changing virtual desktop size (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783111


[19:25] <Ubulette> bluekuja, u there ?
[19:47] <asac> Ubulette: you can also add a bzr branch to a bug when there is a fix available
[19:47] <asac> just for your interest
[19:48] <Ubulette> ?
[19:48] <Ubulette> you mean, add "fixed in xul.dev #id" ?
[19:49] <asac> Ubulette: look in bug 151400
[19:49] <asac> on the left you can "add branch"
[19:49] <asac> there you can add the .dev branch
[19:49] <Ubulette> oh
[19:49] <asac> so the reporter knows where to prefetch fixes
[19:49] <asac> Ubulette: we should probably point to instructions how to build from bzr in the branch summary/description
[19:49] <asac> so we don't have to explain that each and every time :)
[19:52] <Ubulette> i hate to ask users to build stuff on their box. most will pollute their desktop with tons of -dev packages instead of creating a chroot env
[19:53] <asac> why do you care of other users installing -dev packages?
[19:53] <asac> Ubulette: anyway ... in this case its a dev :)
[19:54] <Ubulette> most of the time, they don't even know what a build dep is
[19:55] <Ubulette> anyway, done
[19:56] <asac> chpe said he probably will need moz#399892, moz#399489 for epiphany 2.22 and we probably want moz#399498
[19:56] <asac> i asked him to provide a more complete list so i can ask upstream for freeze exception
[19:57] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 399892
[19:57] <asac> asap
[19:57] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 399892 in XRE Startup "allow custom profile root dir with XRE_main" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399892
[19:57] <asac> because time is running low to get things into upstream branch
[19:57] <asac> mozilla bug 399489
[19:57] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 399489 in XRE Startup "allow app to provide its own profile manager UI" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399489
[19:57] <asac> mozilla bug 399498
[19:57] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 399498 in Download Manager "use XDG downloads dir as default downloads dir" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399498
[19:58] <asac> this needs a depends bug:
[19:58] <asac> its mozilla bug   399500
[19:58] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 399500 in XPCOM "support XDG user dirs in the directory service" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399500
[19:58] <Ubulette> 399892 is a wont_fix (too late for 1.9 => moz2)
[19:59] <asac> yes all are officially
[19:59] <asac> i have to ask
[19:59] <Ubulette> btw, custom profile root dir is already possible as webrunner does that
[19:59] <asac> but i want all ... not that i punch these through and a week later chpe comes up with another 2 bugs and so on
[19:59] <Ubulette> it's ~/.webrunner/
[19:59] <asac> Ubulette: thats not a problem
[20:00] <asac> you can leave the organization name empty
[20:00] <asac> and get that
[20:00] <asac> its just that you can cannot do things that are 3levels or deeper
[20:01] <asac> maybe you can ... if you say: organization?? name: gnome2/deeper/deeper ... and product name "myapp"
[20:01] <asac> but you probably cant
[20:25] <bluekuja> Ubulette: yes?
[20:26] <bluekuja> I'm installing my new router
[20:26] <bluekuja> will be offline
[20:26] <bluekuja> for some minutes
[20:26] <bluekuja> bbl
[22:43] <asac> i am off for today
[23:10] <Jazzva> asac, you around?
[23:15] <Ubulette> he said he's off for today 25min ago
[23:15] <Jazzva> Oh, ok... thanks :)...


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[07:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @w4tchdog: You said "lol am I a bot?"  I'm guessing you were actually still trying to fill out the captcha, which explains the confusion, sorry.
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 I deactivated yesterday the ibus panel nut it activated itself and this ibus panel came after the release upgrade before it was not there how to solve this
 The "DE" in taskbar is annoying
 After reboot it comes back in taskbar
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi 😭
 Hello! Has anyone had or is having issues with Mega on Kubuntu 22.04? I think I also had this problem on PopOS 22.04 before switching to Kubuntu
 I get this error on every boot and everytime I try to open Megasync : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4b1e3a02/file_57804.jpg
 I also noticed that this only happens when it tries to sync. I recently changed my hard drives, so it couldn't detect the old path and didn't sync. As soon as I made it sync to a new path, it started scanning and then crashed as always
 Mega is not safe
 I would recommend you send the report as written there
 I have done that multiple times, but I don't think that will help (re @Oskar: I would recommend you send the report as written there)
 And add what ypu have written here in the section where you can write
 What do you recommend instead? (re @Oskar: Mega is not safe)
 Google one, or one drive
 Or a selfmade cloud with a raspberry pi
[17:48] <enigma9o7[m]> Hmmm that sounds like a collection of bad choices.  PRC, Google, or MS.
 I use google daily and had no problems
 I won't use something that is completely proprietary. And self-hosting is not an option
 But i use a pixel phone so...
 Of course, they are one of the biggest companies ever, it is expected to work very well. The problem is what they do with user data (re @Oskar: I use google daily and had no problems)
 Things you upload never come into search results at google search
 With google one u have extra support when something goes wrong
[17:51] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah I'd trust Mega/China with my data instead.   Less impact than google.
[17:51] <enigma9o7[m]> Google provides support?
 Mega is not safe anymore read the news
 Just to google one users (re @IrcsomeBot: <enigma9o7[m]> Google provides support?)
 What does Mega have to do with China? (re @IrcsomeBot: <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah I'd trust Mega/China with my data instead.   Less impact than google.)
 This is not a Kubuntu problem. You would be better spending your time looking for support/help on more relevant channels/forums/IRC/etc (re @nayibmc: Hello! Has anyone had or is having issues with Mega on Kubuntu 22.04? I think I also had this problem on PopOS 22.04 before switching to Kubuntu)
 Also please stay on topic for Kubuntu support
 I guess I'll have to do that (re @RikMills: This is not a Kubuntu problem. You would be better spending your time looking for support/help on more relevant channels/forums/IRC/etc)
[17:53] <enigma9o7[m]> I assumed the reason he said mega was not safe was due to the china connection.  Kim Dotcom says they sell their data to china or something.
 👍
 The encryption is flawed, see the news about mega
 I deleted all my data on mega cloud so far
 Last word from me to this topic is, that mega is the succesor of megaupload and most of the users use it for illegal content


[12:25] <didrocks> I will probably skip the MIR meeting today. I have nothing special to report.
[14:00] <joeubuntu> Here for the MIR meeting.
[14:02] <doko> hi
[14:04] <doko> cpaelzer, jamespage, cyphermox ?
[14:05] <doko> starting with https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:05] <jamespage> o/
[14:06] <doko> jamespage: could you file issues for nova/netcat?
[14:06] <doko> cpaelzer: cloud-init/ifupdown2
[14:07] <cpaelzer> here
[14:07] <doko> cpaelzer: logcheck/esmtp
[14:08] <doko> didrocks: xorg/xterm, libnotify/sugar,
[14:09] <cpaelzer> for cloud-init I'll start with a cloud-init bug if they really want this
[14:09] <cpaelzer> but I'll file the others as placeholders pointing to that one - to be found by AAs
[14:10] <doko> which MIRs are pending reviews?
[14:10] <cpaelzer> nut sure if we want esmtp for logcheck
[14:10] <cpaelzer> that came in via a sync
[14:10] <cpaelzer> we'll sort it out if we drop the dependency instead of a MIR
[14:11] <jamespage> doko: done for nova/netcat - I don't think its even needed
[14:13] <doko> feel free to drop it instead
[14:18] <cpaelzer> doko: how did cloud-init get that report?
[14:18] <cpaelzer> the one in focal doesn't have a ifupdown2 dependency
[14:18] <cpaelzer> and that is the same version SRUed to Xenial-Eoan
[14:19] <doko> cpaelzer: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[14:19] <doko> Provides: ifupdown
[14:20] <cpaelzer> doko: ah now I see, cloud init has "netplan.io | ifupdown"
[14:20] <cpaelzer> and netplan is in main
[14:20] <cpaelzer> how do we usually handle those cases?
[14:21] <cpaelzer> it has a valid package in main fulfilling that dependency in every release
[14:21] <cpaelzer> up to Disco it was ifupdown and since bionic it is netplan
[14:21] <cpaelzer> and netplan is listed first
[14:21] <cpaelzer> so the problem is that the alternate dependency puts it on the component mismatches
[14:22] <cpaelzer> that also explains how it could already migrate into the -release pocket
[14:22] <cpaelzer> can we just ignore it then, any guidance on what cloud-init is supposed to do to avoid being listed there?
[14:22] <cpaelzer> the package is tried to be the same across releases
[14:23] <doko> cpaelzer: netplan.io is seeded in eoan, but not anymore in focal?
[14:23] <cpaelzer> netplan.io is seeded from bionic onwards
[14:23] <cpaelzer> and ifupdown from the dawn of time up until disco
[14:26] <doko> maybe component-mismatches gets confused by the provides
[14:26] <cpaelzer> yeah I'd think so
[14:26] <doko> add it to extra-excludes?
[14:27] <cpaelzer> if that is the common solution, I can open an MP
[14:27] <cpaelzer> and logcheck is the same case - it depends on 'mail-transport-agent' which has a provides in many places
[14:27] <cpaelzer> esmtp is one of them
[14:28] <cpaelzer> but so is e.g. postfix
[14:28] <cpaelzer> doko: I can add extra excludes for them if you tell me that is the way to resolve that
[14:28] <cpaelzer> doko: but that leaves my confort zone, so I want you to tell me it is the right way :-)
[14:28]  * didrocks will ask in the desktop meeting
[14:29] <doko> I'll check with colin maybe
[14:29] <cpaelzer> doko: ok, let me know once you know the path that I should let these server packages take then
[14:30] <doko> I didn't check before the meeting, is any existing MIR missing review?
[14:31] <cpaelzer> not from us
[14:32] <doko> joeubuntu: any updates for security reviews?
[14:34] <joeubuntu> doko -  6 in progress the remainder in queue, we meet 2x a month with server/foundations to review priority and progress. a few more sec engineers are taking on MIRs to get the queue down again.
[14:34] <doko> anything else for today?
[14:37] <doko> do we want a meeting next week, or skip until January?
[14:38] <didrocks> I'm on holidays starting tomorrow
[14:40] <doko> there doesn't seem to be much interest ... let's skip
[14:40] <doko> and finish for today
[14:42] <didrocks> thx :)
[14:45] <cyphermox> o/ sorry
[14:46] <cyphermox> why is cloud-init depending on ifupdown2? that's sounds very very wrong
[14:48] <Odd_Bloke> cyphermox: cloud-init depends on `netplan.io | ifupdown` and ifupdown2 provides ifupdown.
[14:48] <cyphermox> *sigh*
[14:48] <cyphermox> I posit that's probably wrong
[14:48] <Odd_Bloke> "that"?
[14:48] <cyphermox> ifupdown2 providing ifupdown
[14:49] <cyphermox> it's a full rewrite, I don't know that it's quite the same
[14:50] <cyphermox> anyway, the story is I doubt we really want to MIR ifupdown2
[14:51] <Odd_Bloke> I think we're all in agreement there. :p
[14:51] <cyphermox> yup ;)
[15:59] <cpaelzer> dodk: if possibel please answer on bug 1855557 once you ahve the answer hwo to handle the component-mismatches due to provides
[17:05] <Odd_Bloke> cpaelzer: Were you trying to ping Matthias?  Because... you didn't. ;)
[23:47] <xnox> cyphermox:  Odd_Bloke: we have removed i386 arch specific packages, yet cloud-init and ifupdown2 are arch:all and it is a bug that they are (a) published in i386 archive (b) used by components missmatches to promote things
[23:48] <xnox> cpaelzer:  my bug report was slightly tigential to the components missmatches being buggy.
[23:48] <xnox> cpaelzer:  Odd_Bloke: as a product, Ubuntu, no longer supports ifupdown and thus on Ubuntu platform cloud-init should not allow any but netplan.io network rendering.


[02:18] <mwhudson> hm
[02:19] <mwhudson> for the purposes of super evil hacking, is it possible to convince dpkg that a package is installed?
[02:22] <mwhudson> sudo vim /var/lib/dpkg/status seems to be suitably evil
[04:54] <pitti> Good morning
[07:05] <mlankhor1t> mwhudson: you can create a fake package with http://eric.lubow.org/2010/system-administration/creating-dummy-packages-on-debian/
[08:52] <apachelogger> if I use bzr merge on two packaging branches will that use dpkg-mergechangelogs internally?
[09:09] <mwhudson> mlankhorst: ah heh, i guessed that that was possible but not that it had been packaged up like that
[09:09] <mlankhorst> :-)
[10:11] <zbenjamin> zyga: hey, about your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1355286
[10:11] <zbenjamin> zyga: couldn't you make phablet-shell add the key to the authorized_keys instead of replacing it?
[10:12] <zbenjamin> zyga: that file is perfectly fine with containing multiple files
[10:12] <zbenjamin> zyga: multiple keys i mean
[10:14] <zyga> zbenjamin: hey
[10:14] <zbenjamin> heys
[10:14] <zyga> zbenjamin: I'm not the upstream of phablet-tools, ask ogra about it
[10:14] <zyga> zbenjamin: I think it's doable
[10:14] <zbenjamin> ogra_: ^^^^
[10:14] <zyga> zbenjamin: but ogra "rules" that place so he has to make the call
[10:15] <zyga> zbenjamin: I just reported that having found the issue so that you both can talk and figure it out :)
[10:15] <zbenjamin> zyga: ;)
[10:15] <ogra_> zbenjamin, phablet-shell is  robru's baby ... i agree th key handling is pretty subooptimal
[10:15] <ogra_> zbenjamin, assign it to me, i'll add some checks and make sure the key is only appended
[10:15] <zbenjamin> ogra_: awesome!
[10:15] <zyga> ogra_: \o/
[10:15]  * ogra_ was annoyed by this plenty of times before
[10:16] <zyga> and I'll mirror that in python-phablet
[10:16] <zyga> ogra_: are you going to the devices sprint?
[10:16] <ogra_> dunno how my next sprint is called :)
[10:16] <ogra_> i'm soing to one in 6 weeks or so
[10:16] <zbenjamin> ogra_: the one in washington
[10:16] <zyga> ogra_: yeah, the one
[10:16] <ogra_> (if i get my ass up and finally book it at least :P )
[10:16] <zyga> ogra_: let's find an hour there to talk about a python API and how we could bless one
[10:17] <zyga> ogra_: meh, you don't have to be in a hotel lobby now :P
[10:17] <zbenjamin> ogra_: you should get going on that, flights are rare ;) > 200 people will be there from us
[10:17]  * zyga got on a train to madrid to do the visa process again
[10:17] <ogra_> zbenjamin, sure ... deadline is 19th though
[10:17]  * zbenjamin nees to update his ESTA
[10:17] <zyga> and now scrambles to get someone to hlep with the invitation letter
[10:17] <davmor2> ogra_: dude book it already we'll have the entire landing team there in one place rather than just some of us :)
[10:17] <ogra_> davmor2, no worries ... :)
[10:18] <zbenjamin> ogra_: i cannot assign the bug to you for phablet-tools: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1355286
[10:19] <ogra_> done
[10:19] <zbenjamin> thx :)
[11:28] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[12:24] <pitti> hey tkamppeter
[12:50] <cjwatson> Urgh, "sudo service dbus restart" was a mistake
[12:56] <ogra_> lol
[12:57] <ogra_> only on desktops though
[13:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Mistake, adventure, potayto, potahto.
[13:02] <Laney> @pilot in
[13:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have a problem with pk.install_packages() and as it seems that you have helped me somehow with it in the beginning (http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/install-printerdriver-gi.py) I want to ask you for help again.
[13:42] <sergio-br2> Hi
[13:43] <sergio-br2> i'm trying to compile a package in utopic, in launchpad, with gcc 4.8
[13:44] <sergio-br2> but it's trying to use a parameter from gcc 4.9 there
[13:44] <sergio-br2> -fstack-protector-strong
[13:44] <sergio-br2> is this a bug in debhelper ?
[13:45] <sergio-br2> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/184914518/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.dinothawr_1.0%2Br379~6~ubuntu14.10.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:45] <sergio-br2> x86_64-linux-gnu-g++-4.8: error: unrecognized command line option '-fstack-protector-strong'
[13:48] <rbasak> sergio-br2: I don't know if that should be treated as a bug or not, but look at dpkg-buildflags(1) for details on overriding this.
[13:48] <sergio-br2> ok
[14:07] <sergio-br2> do i need to add only DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_SET="-g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security"
[14:07] <sergio-br2> to debian/rules?
[14:30] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: the defaults are suitable for the current default compiler.  It isn't a bug if you need to override them when using an older compiler.
[14:30] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: I'd suggest instead:
[14:30] <cjwatson> export DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_STRIP := -fstack-protector-strong
[14:30] <cjwatson> export DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND := -fstack-protector
[14:31] <sergio-br2> ok
[14:32] <mlankhorst> afaict from the manual, isn't -fstack-protector-strong implicitly added?
[14:32] <mlankhorst> same for -fstack-protector for gcc < 4.9
[14:32] <cjwatson> It's clearly being explicitly added here
[14:32] <sergio-br2> what's the difference between gcc 4.8 from trusty and from utopic?
[14:32] <cjwatson> (by dpkg-buildflags)
[14:32] <mlankhorst> yeah
[14:32] <cjwatson> But DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_* let you control this
[14:33] <cjwatson> Actually it would be DEB_CXXFLAGS_MAINT_* here, since this is g++
[14:33] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: difference> err, usual ongoing development?  check the changelogs for details
[14:34] <sergio-br2> k
[14:46] <shadeslayer> stgraber: poke
[14:46] <shadeslayer> stgraber: how can I make a Arch container on Ubuntu?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> because using lxc-create with the archlinux template, I  get : /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-archlinux: line 53: pacman: command not found
[14:49] <Laney> sbeattie: can you remember bug #1266492 well enough to write the SRU information in the description for e-d-s?
[14:53] <stgraber> shadeslayer: at the moment I don't think you can... the proper solution there would be to have archlinux added to the download template so you could download pre-built images
[14:54] <shadeslayer> stgraber: there's a bootstrap image here https://mirrors.kernel.org/archlinux/iso/2014.09.03/archlinux-bootstrap-2014.09.03-x86_64.tar.gz
[15:34] <tkamppeter> pitti, around?
[15:40] <pitti> tkamppeter: sporadically; not feeling very well today
[15:55] <popey> Did we remove oem installer from the live cd these days? I don't see it in the F4 menu in 14.10 i386 iso...
[15:57] <cjwatson> Should still be there.
[15:57] <popey> its not in the F4 menu and i cant raise it with oem-config/enable=true
[15:57] <popey> unless I'm doing it wrong, which is plausible
[15:58] <cjwatson> Sounds like a bug, maybe on ubuntu-cdimage.  The code looks OK.  Can't test right now as mid-upgrade.
[15:58] <popey> want me to file a bug?
[15:58] <cjwatson> Sure
[15:58] <popey> k
[15:58] <cjwatson> Worst case I realise I'm misremembering and close it again
[16:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, did you see my initial message?
[16:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: I did, yes, but there's no question; also, it's been years since I did anything with packagekit, so it's probably best if you post a question to -devel@?
[16:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, will do so.
[19:52] <smoser> how does net-device-added get invoked ?
[19:55] <smoser> ah. upstart-udev-bridge.
[20:58] <pale3_> is it possible to have two package.init files in package/debian/ rules dir?
[20:58] <pale3_> I am wondering how do I then add two init scripts from one package (because package have two binaries)?
[21:00] <pale3_> I am talking about package firehol, which now consist of two binaries (firehol,fireqos). both of them needs init script for startup.
[21:31] <blkperl> slangasek: increasing the values of maxkeys and maxbytes in addtion to the root_* ones seems to have worked for now.
[22:09] <slangasek> blkperl: hmm, alright
[22:22] <cjwatson> pale3_: If you mean that there are firehol and fireqos binary packages, then you can indeed have debian/firehol.init and debian/fireqos.init.  If you mean that you have firehol and fireqos executables within a single firehol binary package, then you can have debian/firehol.firehol.init and debian/firehol.fireqos.init and use the --name option to dh_installinit.  See the dh_installinit(1) manual page.
[22:22] <cjwatson> pale3_: (Similarly for Upstart jobs *.upstart and systemd units *.service.)
[22:26] <pale3_> cjwatson: your second statements is correct, thats indeed my situation. thx for helping me, I'll go and read dh_installinit
[23:37] <slangasek> hallyn: hi, is bug #1369785 something that you would be willing to help with?


[01:58] <nigel_nb> pleia2: around?
[01:58] <nigel_nb> doctormo: around?
[01:58] <doctormo> yes
[01:59] <nigel_nb> doctormo: the ppa that you gave me, its mostly gnome specific rite?
[01:59] <nigel_nb> I mean nautilus specific
[02:00] <doctormo> It's gnome specific yes
[02:00] <doctormo> The nautilus stuff isn't working on the ppa yet, bugs to fix. But the core of the register with launchpad, logon to system and get your bzr settings configured right, that's all done.
[02:01] <nigel_nb> I'm switching to kde today
[02:02] <doctormo> Congratulations
[02:02] <doctormo> Can you port my thing to Qt for me?
[02:02] <nigel_nb> um
[02:02] <nigel_nb> I hardly know any coding
[02:02] <doctormo> Oh and you can have Gnome installed at the same time, that way you only need to switch to test things
[02:02] <nigel_nb> I'll have vbox anyway
[02:02] <nigel_nb> for bug squad stuff
[02:13] <doctormo> ah, k
[02:13] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I'll be out of town next tuesday for a few days
[02:13] <nigel_nb> I'll get you the second draft before I go and after I figure out why my computer is misbehaving
[02:14]  * nigel_nb just booked tickets, home after 7 months
[10:47] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo
[10:48] <doctormo> hello
[10:54] <nigel_nb> doctormo: my computer died on me:(
[10:55] <doctormo> oh dear!
[10:55] <nigel_nb> have to take it to a shop once I get back from vacatio
[12:36] <pleia2> interesting that the ubuntu-manual folks are using latex for their document
[13:36] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:41] <doctormo> pleia2: aRent they moving to docbook/asciitex?
[15:08] <cjohnston> pleia2: ping
[20:55] <nigel_nb> hello
[21:20] <doctormo> hey nigel_nb
[21:21] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo
[21:21] <nigel_nb> I figured how to resucitate my computer
[21:21] <nigel_nb> I'll get to work on it 2morrow
[21:25] <doctormo> wonderful
[21:25] <doctormo> I'm glad it's going well.
[21:26] <nigel_nb> doctormo: only a stop gap i'm afraid
[21:28] <cjohnston> popey: are you around?
[21:28] <popey> lo
[21:28] <cjohnston> Can you confirm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/253500
[21:28] <cjohnston> I am thinking it is since its listed on the wiki page..
[21:29] <popey> hmm
[21:29] <popey> its probably because the cc is a closed list
[21:29] <popey> i dont think any closed lists are listed
[21:30] <cjohnston> I just want to confirm its a closed list prior to marking invalid
[21:31] <popey> ok
[21:31] <popey> have commented
[21:32] <cjohnston> Thank you sir,
[21:34] <cjohnston> fyi I tried to join it to see if it was open.. :-P so there is probably a request sitting somewhere
[21:35] <popey> mako and daniels inboxes :)
[21:35] <cjohnston> lol
[21:36] <cjohnston> and neither are in here to see the explination
[21:36] <cjohnston> heh
[21:36] <cjohnston> oh well