[13:39] <cmaloney> morning
[13:46] <jrwren> Good morning
[13:56] <Scary_Guy> Great morning, lovely day today.
[13:56] <Scary_Guy> Warm and overcast with the sun not in my eyes


[06:10] <manowar3> Hi, I'm the point of contact for the Israeli team. We are short on resources for creating a nice logo symbol for our group. Can you help in any way?


[00:15] <chandler> bryceh: It's definitely fixed.
[00:21] <bryceh> chandler, excellent, thanks.
[00:22] <chandler> Is there anything I should mark on the bug report?
[00:24] <bryceh> chandler, hmm, it should have closed automatically; what was the bug # again?
[00:25] <chandler> It did get closed; it's 962599.
[00:26] <bryceh> great
[17:26] <ricotz> bjsnider, hi
[17:27] <ricotz> bjsnider, could you push 295.33 to precise in xup ppa too in the meantime?
[21:03] <johanbr> cnd, thank you for the clickpad support! just a question - is there a way to enable middle click?
[21:04] <cnd> johanbr, meaning?
[21:05] <johanbr> I was previously using an unofficial patch that sent a middle click when you clicked the lower middle of the touchpad (between left button area and right button area)
[21:06] <cnd> ahh, yes, you can enable that
[21:06] <cnd> you need to modify the soft button areas
[21:06] <cnd> synclient is the easiest tool to use
[21:06] <johanbr> ahh, alright, I'll have a look at that
[21:06] <johanbr> thank you again!
[21:07] <cnd> johanbr, synclient MiddleButtonArea*
[21:07] <johanbr> right :)
[23:48] <bjsnider> ricotz, yes i can
[23:52] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: thank you for that, tseliot wont upload it until monday and people using proprietary drivers freak out if a day goes by without an update in the distro :)
[23:53] <bjsnider> they probably aren't using x-updates though
[23:53] <bjsnider> in precise that is
[23:53] <Sarvatt> i got 2 emails already and said it should be in the distro on monday
[23:53] <Sarvatt> (asking for it in x-updates)
[23:54] <bjsnider> lol
[23:56] <Sarvatt> lol indeed


[00:05] <Seeker`> heh
[00:06] <Seeker`> I wonder if "who can crash the other persons computer first" is a good game
[00:14] <elky_work> Seeker`: it very much used to be
[00:30] <Seeker`> elky_work: not any more?
[01:47] <elky_work> Seeker`: i'm talking decades ago, dear.
[01:48] <Seeker`> that would be a little before my time :P
[01:48] <elky_work> you know, pre-internet when viruses were actually people having consentual battles of exactly what you described.
[01:53] <Seeker`> I've heard stories of races to chnage the other persons password
[02:13] <Pici> hrm.  Please take a seat and make yourself at home. Remember to look at the rules (type !rules) before chatting.
[02:44] <_Zeus_> is this allowed?
[02:44] <_Zeus_> is this guy an op?
[02:44] <Pici> _Zeus_: no, and thanks for the heads up.
[02:44] <_Zeus_> np
[02:45] <_Zeus_> he's offline now
[02:45] <Pici> _Zeus_: was this in #ubuntu?
[02:45] <_Zeus_> not sure
[02:45] <Pici> or some other channel?
[02:45] <_Zeus_> it was either #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-bugs, #ubuntu-bugsannouce, #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu+1, or #ubuntu-testing
[02:45] <_Zeus_> i must have lost internet while i was gone and when it reconnected all those chats, i got that
[02:45] <_Zeus_> i saw it when i got home
[02:46] <_Zeus_> but it wasn an official channel
[02:46] <_Zeus_> *was
[02:46] <Pici> _Zeus_: Unfortunately that user is long offline (whowas caches for a period of time) and since we don't know what channel there isnt much we can do about it now.
[02:47] <_Zeus_> got it, i could setup a buddy pounce
[02:47] <_Zeus_> or someone else
[02:47]  * jrib greps his logs
[02:48] <jrib> #ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49907/
[02:48] <_Zeus_> nice
[02:49] <_Zeus_> should i leave now?
[02:49] <jrib> thanks for the heads up _Zeus_
[02:49] <_Zeus_> np
[02:49] <_Zeus_> cya around
[02:50] <Pici> only ~20 minutes of being in the channel
[02:51] <jrib> n=duncbot
[02:51] <jrib> probably just some mistake or random testing
[02:51] <Pici> Yeah
[06:30]  * Myrtti takes a huge gulp of Maalox
[06:32] <Myrtti> grumblemornings
[06:34]  * elky_work huggles Myrtti
[06:44] <Myrtti> http://lolfed.com/2008/09/23/lol-imitates-art/
[07:23] <Myrtti> I just love it when the first things you think when you wake up is a) what the hell am I awake after three hours of sleep and an hour before the alarm goes off b) GOAH, heartburn, AGAIN.
[07:23]  * Myrtti takes another gulp of Maalox
[07:25] <Myrtti> oh, and the third thought was right after I put the radio on "what, he dried to *burn* the corpses? SHITE, why did I put the radio on?"
[07:25] <Myrtti> s/dried/tried/
[07:28]  * jussi01 hands Myrtti anti-grumble cookies
[07:29] <Myrtti> sorry, no cookies today. only porridge.
[07:30]  * jussi01 slips anti-grumble powdeer into Myrtti's porridge
[07:30] <Myrtti> cookies sound like something that might make me get ulcers.
[07:30] <Myrtti> ulcers? /me checks wikipedia
[07:30] <Myrtti> yeah, ulcers.
[07:31] <Myrtti> "Ulcers can also be caused or worsened by drugs such as aspirin and other NSAIDs."
[07:31] <Myrtti> ;___;
[07:38] <jussi01> you know its funny, Ive seen and know most of the factoids, but just saw this one for the first time...
[07:39] <jussi01> ubottu: sorry
[07:39] <jussi01> :D
[07:39]  * Myrtti hugs ubottu
[07:39] <Myrtti> there used to be a hook in it that made it hug back
[07:39] <Myrtti> I think
[07:40] <elky_work> with random hugs
[07:40] <elky_work> some of which were quite disturbing
[07:40] <elky_work> then mneptok came and they seemed far less disturbing.
[07:41] <jussi01> hehe
[07:41] <elky_work> why cant i log into the bot even though whoami knows who i am
[07:42] <elky_work> oh, i see...
[07:42] <elky_work> [2008-09-24 16:41:47] <ubottu> I'll remember that, elky_work
[07:42] <elky_work> [2008-09-24 16:41:49] <ubottu> But stupidbot already means something else!
[07:42] <elky_work> why is it doubling it's responses?
[07:42] <elky_work> i mean... seriously wtf
[07:43] <Myrtti> it just does it.
[07:43] <Myrtti> nobody knows the troubles I've seen...
[07:43] <Myrtti> nobody buuuuuuuut *glances around*
[07:43] <Myrtti> oh, sorry
[07:43]  * Myrtti shuts up
[07:43] <elky_work> ubottu: sorry
[07:44] <Myrtti> hahahah
[07:46] <elky_work> disclaimer: one of the clients here looks like an ewok.
[07:47] <elky_work> one whose face has been run over by a truck, but still very ewok-esque
[07:48] <jussi01> elky: !! why did you change it...
[07:48] <elky_work> jussi01: why not?
[07:48] <elky_work> it's funnier now
[07:48] <jussi01> nah... its funnier for a small subgroup of people...
[07:49] <elky_work> find something to replace ewoks then
[10:35] <elky> right, chilli0 is wearing thin for others too?
[10:37] <ikonia> looks like he was a pain earlier
[10:42] <elky> the other day he was gloating about breaking into the server at his college or something
[10:42] <ikonia> ooh him
[10:42] <ikonia> I remember yes, I had a word with him about it
[10:42] <ikonia> bragging that he could hack school
[10:43] <gnomefreak> gloating/bragging == couldnt hack his way out of wet paper bag
[10:43] <ikonia> that was obvious, he's a school kid
[10:43] <elky> hehe
[10:43] <elky> the password was probably password or abc123 or something
[10:43] <ikonia> (nothting against school kids) but he was the stereo typical "brag about being l33t"
[10:44] <elky> nothing against schools, but most havent a clue about security
[10:44] <gnomefreak> school servers are not hard to break into but its too easy to get caught, most of times the server logs it and is looked at end of day
[10:45] <gnomefreak> l33t has no meaning to me. if you run your mouth about wha tyou can do and brag you are a moron not l33
[10:46] <gnomefreak> t
[10:47] <elky> gnomefreak, remember: 1+3+3+7 = 14, therefore anyone who is 1337 is 14.
[10:47] <elky> and should be treated as such.
[10:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:51] <ikonia> elky: best line of the day
[10:52] <elky> bash.org/qdb.us hold some great jewels of wisdom
[10:55] <elky> must be bash, qdb.us lacks it
[12:07] <Myrtti> crossposting from -women:
[12:07] <Myrtti> slightly offtopic lolcat: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/24/funny-pictures-bothers-you-anymore-maam/
[14:05] <Myrtti> blerhg.
[14:11] <Dave2> ghrelb
[14:13] <Pici> khrelb
[14:20] <Myrtti> yff.
[15:09] <ikonia> pleasing my kvm bug fix got put into the update.
[15:14]  * Pici takes deep breaths
[15:15]  * Myrtti huggles
[15:19] <ikonia> Pici: another bad day?
[15:25] <Pici> ikonia: Just trying to help a user that isn't listening.
[15:25] <Myrtti> !prayer | Pici
[15:26] <Pici> Myrtti: thanks
[15:26] <Myrtti> want some of my antacids?
[15:26] <Myrtti> they're minty and chalky...
[15:26] <Myrtti> nomnom
[15:27] <Myrtti> bwurp - ow.
[15:29] <Pici> mmm... chalk
[15:30] <Myrtti> I love the cherry tasting Maalox.
[15:30] <Myrtti> s/love/loved/
[15:30] <Myrtti> too bad we don't have that here
[15:43] <SilentBob> yo dog why was i kicked out of ubuntu?
[15:43] <ikonia> are you serious ?
[15:44] <SilentBob> yes G
[15:44] <ikonia> you came in slated ubuntu for having no support - then called the emergeny ops command
[15:44] <SilentBob> I was rappin dog
[15:44] <ikonia> what benifit do you think either of those task brought
[15:44] <SilentBob> like my man 50 cent
[15:44] <ikonia> ok - there is no point discussing this with you as your obviously just a time waster
[15:44] <Myrtti> yay. We have a humorist in our midst.
[15:44] <Pici> I didnt even kick you.
[15:44] <SilentBob> My rap isnt a waste of time homie
[15:45] <SilentBob> you silented me yo
[15:45] <Myrtti> I can see why...
[15:45] <Myrtti> gets a tad tiresome after few lines
[15:46] <SilentBob> Go to ubuntu to see my rap
[15:46] <jpds> elky: Did you need me?
[15:46] <SilentBob> shit man i got kicked again
[15:47] <Myrtti> mind the language, please.
[15:47] <ikonia> SilentBob: just leave - it's clear you have no interest in participating in an ubuntu support channel
[15:47] <Myrtti> if you can't express yourself without cursing, please have another thought on what you are trying to say
[15:47] <ikonia> stop wasting peoples time
[15:47] <SilentBob> Yo in rap you have to swear
[15:48] <Myrtti> sure I do
[15:48] <Myrtti> are you done soon? or should I just kick you?
[15:50] <jpds> elky: Scrolled up, up ubot5 is still up and running.
[15:50] <Myrtti> oops. the bot can't hear you.
[15:50] <Myrtti> too bad.
[15:50] <jussi01> jpds: elky is likely asleep.
[15:51] <jpds> Yeah, just leaving a message.
[15:51] <jpds> Not having a computer suckes.
[15:52] <Myrtti> I failzor.
[15:52] <jussi01> hehe
[15:56] <ikonia> Pici: is amanu the guy you wher trying to help earlier
[15:56] <Pici> ikonia: Yes.
[15:57] <ikonia> ahhh now I see why he's still asking
[15:57] <ikonia> he's been given the answer about 10 times
[16:00] <Pici> ikonia: Why is he still asking?
[16:00] <ikonia> don't know ????
[16:00] <Pici> Oh
[16:00] <ikonia> I've seen people suggest rdp, putty, vnc etc etc
[16:00] <ikonia> sorry - yes he is still asking
[16:01] <ikonia> I thought you where wasking "why" is he still asking ?
[16:01] <ikonia> not why, is he still asking ?
[16:01] <Pici> I was asking because you said: '<ikonia> ahhh now I see why he's still asking'
[16:01] <ikonia> yes, he is still asking
[16:01] <Pici> okay
[16:01] <ikonia> "how do I connect to windows XP"
[16:01] <Pici> I'm only slightly less confused now.
[16:02] <ikonia> 15:55 < amanu> actally im using ubuntu 8 i want to login in a remote system
[16:02] <ikonia> he's asked that about 10 times
[16:02] <ikonia> and loads of people gave him the answer, thats why I wondered if he was teh guy who made you sigh
[16:03] <Pici> Yes.
[16:03] <Pici> A hundred times yes.
[16:50] <Myrtti> meh
[17:22] <Seeker`> anyone know what the last octect of Eeyore's IP address was yesterday?
[17:22] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[17:22] <Pici> Seeker`: 16:08:02 [freenode] -!- Eeyore-Jr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:22] <Seeker`> aha, he has returned
[17:23] <Seeker`> well, someone with the same IP has
[17:23] <Pici> That same nick was discussed yesterday too
[17:23] <Seeker`> -19:20:14- ~s~ mib_bkmoc7 (<IP_ADDRESS>) ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-uk
[17:24] <Pici> oh. I was referring to Ahmuck    H   0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[supybot]
[17:24] <Seeker`> Pici: I'm assuming its the same person, as the realname is set to the same IP
[17:24] <Myrtti> I've never seen such a short response to whois
[17:25] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[17:25] <Pici> Myrtti: hm?
[17:26] <Myrtti> Rural Telephone RURALTEL (NET-24-225-0-0-1)
[17:26] <Myrtti>                                   <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:26] <Myrtti> Rural Telephone Service Company Inc. RURALNET-QUINTERHS (NET-24-225-22-0-1)
[17:26] <Myrtti>                                   <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:26] <Myrtti> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-09-23 19:10
[17:26] <Pici> Myrtti: Oh, that was the output from /who <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:26] <Myrtti> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
[17:26] <Pici> oh
[17:26] <Pici> you mean something else.
[17:26] <Myrtti> I always check whois on unreversed ip-addresses
[17:26] <Seeker`> Pici: If I type /who IP, I dont get anything
[17:26] <Myrtti> if they cause trouble or are suspicious
[17:27] <Myrtti> I get two entries on that
[17:27] <Myrtti> one on mibbit
[17:27] <Pici> Indeed
[17:27] <Myrtti> one on ahcmu woteva
[17:27] <Myrtti> that whois doesn't even say who is the abuse contact...
[17:28] <Myrtti> not that its necessary but...
[17:28] <Pici> It barely says anything
[17:29] <Seeker`> I just get "end of /WHO list"
[17:30] <Pici> wfm
[18:02] <Seeker`> !info spicctrl
[18:32] <ompaul> !raid
[18:33] <ompaul> !no raid is  Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID wto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[18:33] <ompaul> bah
[18:33] <ompaul> @btlogin
[18:35] <ompaul> @ogin
[18:35] <ompaul> @whoami
[18:35] <Pici> its @login
[18:35] <ompaul> @login
[18:35] <ompaul> lacking in Ls today
[18:35] <ompaul> !no raid is  Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID wto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[18:36] <ompaul> !ping
[18:36] <ompaul> !raid
[18:36] <ompaul> !no raid is Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID wto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[18:36] <ompaul> !faid
[18:36] <ompaul> !raid
[18:36]  * Pici gets ompaul a new keyboard and new fingers
[18:37] <ompaul> Pici, qucik qiukc pleh
[18:37] <ompaul> pleh! looks a lot like feh!
[18:38] <Myrtti> [ no comments ]
[18:39] <ompaul> Myrtti, on a mailing list today
[18:40] <ompaul> Microsoft based server admins are used to a certain > > familiarity with a GUI and are often turned off/afraid of command line.Awwwwwwww pur ms adminies.
[18:42] <Myrtti> ompaul: I was going to comment your typos with a proverb my mother has about no good and useless fingers that have no finer spatial skills, but it would be un-CoC and most definitely not familyfriendly X-D
[18:42] <Myrtti> *cough*
[18:43] <ompaul> ;-)
[18:57]  * PriceChild waves
[18:59] <Myrtti> hullo Pricey
[19:01] <PriceChild> How are things going here then.
[19:07] <ompaul> my reply got "Paul made some very good points"
[19:07] <ompaul> my comment starts at Awwwwwwwwwwww
[19:09] <ompaul> jdong 1+1=? what is ?
[19:16]  * ompaul notes that jdong avoids the complex question
[19:40] <Pici> !jding
[21:26] <Seeker`> ompaul: ? is something you use to mark a question.
[21:26] <Seeker`> hence the term "question mark"
[21:27] <Myrtti> you folks...
[21:28] <ompaul> Seeker`, that ? could as well be an X if this were maths and not IRC
[21:39] <ompaul> Myrtti, us folks?
[21:39] <Myrtti> you folks.
[21:39]  * ompaul was on the phone for the last 45 minutes - thanks for speaker phones
[21:40] <ompaul> Myrtti, the dots were trying to say something ;-)
[21:47] <Seeker`> ok, X is the 24th letter of the alphabet
[21:49] <ompaul> Seeker`, you are now being sillier than me, well done ;-)
[21:49] <Seeker`> \o/
[21:49] <Seeker`> what do I win?
[21:49] <Seeker`> is it something good?
[21:49] <Seeker`> I hope it is something good
[21:50] <Myrtti> "package of yeast and a kilo of sugar"
[21:51] <Seeker`> sugar makes my logbook cry :(
[21:52] <Myrtti> that's why yeast
[21:53] <ompaul> logbook is that a stick from apple?
[21:54] <Seeker`> no, my diary of blood sugars
[21:55] <Myrtti> oh noes, ubottu went down
[22:01] <ompaul> ack
[22:01] <Myrtti> elky, PriceChild, nalioth ?
[22:28] <PriceChild> Myrtti: one mo while i find my big red button
[22:28]  * Myrtti giggles
[22:28]  * Myrtti tickles PriceChild
[22:30] <PriceChild> Its coming back, please don't poke it.
[22:30] <Myrtti> no tickling of ubottu, ya hear?!
[22:36] <Myrtti> can I tickle her now?
[22:50] <X3N> we should totally all op up at the same time
[22:51] <X3N> like baywatch style on IRC
[22:51] <PriceChild> X3N: hmm?
[22:51] <X3N> re: #ubuntu-uk
[22:52] <Myrtti> erm...?
[22:53] <X3N> sorry, in-joke
[22:53] <Myrtti> a-ha
[22:53]  * Myrtti is puzzled
[22:54] <Seeker`> Myrtti: someone pointed out that there aren't any moderators in -uk
[22:54] <Myrtti> aha
[22:54] <X3N> and was getting all troll-y on us
[22:54] <popey> he is an odd one
[22:54] <Seeker`> X3N: he had been trolly for the past hour or so
[22:54] <X3N> off his trolly
[22:55]  * Myrtti mutters something about -irc and crazy britons and goes back to fiddle with LaTeX
[22:55] <X3N> Anyways, job done as it were
[23:00] <Myrtti> I assume I'm better off if I don't know and don't ask.
[23:01] <Seeker`> Myrtti: http://strugglers.net/wiki/GeorgeWBush
[23:05] <Myrtti> as I said...
[23:22] <Seeker`> magnetron: how can we help you?
[23:23] <magnetron> Seeker`, in no way, actually. the problem seems to have been solved now. thanks.
[23:34] <Myrtti> mmmmmmmmm BEEEED.
[23:53] <WastePotato> Hello?
[23:54] <WastePotato> Is ompaul here?
[23:54] <WastePotato> Evidently not...
[23:54] <WastePotato> Damn.


[06:03] <hendry> http://terranova.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/dapper/hannux/current/livecd.hannux.cloop
[06:04] <hendry> is dapper using cloop or squashfs?
[08:36] <hendry> Kamion: good day
[09:01] <hendry> Kamion: do you use vmware to test ISOs?
[01:19] <makx> afaik squashfs
[01:19] <makx> klibc has no cloop support


[15:01] <mrz80> Greetings and Felicitations!  As April is upon us, one's thoughts turn to shouldn't we be hearing rumblings of a 2204 release?  Enquiring Minds Want To Know™! :D
[15:05] <Eickmeyer> mrz80: You missed the announcement? Check the news portion of the website.
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> It was tweeted, posted on Facebook, and sent out to the mailing lists.
[15:27]  * OvenWerks got the mailing list announcement....
[15:38] <mrz80> Ah, excellent.  Yeah, missed it.  Thaks, Eickmeyer
[15:39] <mrz80> Doh.  I was looking at xubuntu's site, no the ubuntustudio site. DERP.
[16:09] <chris_uk[m]> Greetings. Just downloading the beta now. Many thanks.
[17:40] <blonchkman[m]> Dear all, I am a linux user in Switzerland with no particular knowledge of the audio stack. Currently, the Focusrite Saffire 6 USB 1.1 card resists to work normally  with Jackd (audio in / out).... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5409df030a2bb8090531d77c6c758a2b7284a1dd)
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[18:01] <blonchkman[m]> I must leave you now and wish you a wonderful day (or evening)
[22:27] <Eickmeyer> !morehelp | blonchkman[m]
[23:13] <blonchkman[m]> Eickmeyer: I'm going to turn to the suggested channels. I went to #ubuntustudio (support), as I needed a hand in collecting efficient data (in the generic sense) to then refine the diagnosis for the specific card, but I wasn't expecting an immediate response. I'm also apologizing for the fact that my report is incomplete (missing qjackctl logs, and probably the list of active modules and config files). I noticed this too late and I
[23:13] <blonchkman[m]> no longer have access to the system. I will have completed tomorrow. In any case, thank you very much for your reply and your suggestions for rooms.
[23:15] <blonchkman[m]> * Eickmeyer ubottu : I'm
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> blonchkman[m]: Just append :libera.chat to the end of those if you're using Matrix.
[23:19] <blonchkman[m]> Eickmeyer:  Thank you for this 🙂
[23:20] <blonchkman[m]> > <@Eickmeyer:libera.chat> blonchkman: Just append :libera.chat to the end of those if you're using Matrix.
[23:20] <blonchkman[m]>  * Thank you for this 🙂
[23:20] <blonchkman[m]> Have a nice WE
[23:53] <OvenWerks> blonchkman[m]: cd /tmp && wget https://community.ardour.org/files/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh |pastebinit
[23:53] <OvenWerks> gives a nice set of info
[23:54] <OvenWerks> not sure how pastebinit works these days. it used to just give a url to an open paste but may give a url to a "you need to log in" screen these days
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> One can use pastebinit -b url:{desired-pastein-url}.


[12:50] <cmaloney> morning
[14:37] <_stink_> yo
[16:14] <jrwren> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4ag4mw/this-college-banned-students-from-even-discussing-facial-recognition?utm_source=reddit.com
[16:14] <jrwren> lul OCC
[16:20] <cmaloney> JFC
[20:13] <jrwren> dang it greg-g wikpedia.org seems to have changed the cipher suite that is selected for me... it was my odd-ball test host. :)
[20:14] <greg-g> hah, what was odd?
[20:19] <cmaloney> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-20/trump-backer-ellison-gets-president-s-support-in-google-fight
[20:21] <greg-g> ugh
[20:22] <jrwren> i thought it was an uncommon TLS_* cipher suite, but maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
[20:22] <cmaloney> Honestly I think Oracle might want to rethink this strategy
[20:22] <jrwren> why? oracle is making TONS of money.
[20:23] <cmaloney> "I see you're looking for Java.  which he... deleted
[21:13] <greg-g> hilarious
[21:27] <jrwren> wrt ciphers?
[21:29] <greg-g> with respect to ciphers we're trying to be progressive/push things to newer better as fast/best we can given our large userbase (including stupid old windows machines)
[21:34] <jrwren> you still support IE6 on Win 2k?
[21:34] <jrwren> do you support non-SSL? I mean... that would open the most support... not requiring TLS
[21:35] <jrwren> :)
[21:51] <greg-g> nope! :)
[21:53] <greg-g> we have hsts enabled
[21:54] <jrwren> darned shame ;)
[21:54] <greg-g> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=en.wikipedia.org&s=2620%3a0%3a863%3aed1a%3a0%3a0%3a0%3a1
[21:54] <greg-g> :P
[22:07] <jrwren> oh, i'm definitely not trying to dis your config.
[22:08] <greg-g> I know :)


[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <locodir-user> selam millet
[11:39] <Geochr> Hi all, i am the new loco contact for Greek team and i have some questions about conference pack.
[11:39] <Geochr> Is it possible to request 2 conference packs from shipit for 2 different conferences which the Greek team will take part ?
[11:49] <czajkowski> greg-g: it's atthe discretion of shipit
[11:49] <czajkowski> askk and see but you need to explain what it is how many are going how the loco is taking part
[11:54] <Geochr> ok i undestand. Now i have already requested a conference pack at 27/3/2012 to built our booth at FOSSCOMM but i haven't receive any reply.  I must be wait an accept/reject  email or i receive an email when the package sent ?
[11:54] <Geochr> sorry for the quetions, it'my first time...
[12:25] <czajkowski> Geochr: wait and see the person will be back next week
[12:27] <Geochr> czajkowski, ok thanks.
[12:28] <czajkowski> can take more than a few days to get a response
[12:31] <Geochr> ok no problem, i'm just asking because it's the first time which i request a pack and i don't know the whole process
[12:33] <czajkowski> Geochr: no problem ,
[12:33] <czajkowski> Geochr: always ask :)
[14:18] <kama_yus> Salam all
[14:22] <JanC> hello kama_yus
[21:01] <bkerensa> Headed to go pick our loco's new banner :)
[22:22] <locodir-user> new to ubuntu.....is this the wrong place for me?


[07:18] <Severian> Howdy.  If I do the same qa test with 2 different computers, where one failed the test and one passwed, how do I enter them both?
[07:41] <Severian> passwed -> passed
[09:10] <Severian> So, the first couple of tests installing alpha-2 using the alternate installer have failed.  I have reported and now I am trying to decide what to try next.  Is there any way to get gnome started?  Is there something I can do from a virtual terminal?
[09:43] <jibel> Hello Severian, what kind of failure are you facing ? Do you have a bug number ?
[09:46] <Severian> bug 714404.  Gnome comes up after boot with no menus.  There is no way to start a program that I see.  I went to a virtual terminal and ran jockey-text to switch to a nvidia proprietary driver in the hopes it would help.  Rebooting after that never gives me anything but a black screen.
[09:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 714404 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Gnome menus unavailable after fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714404
[09:46] <Severian> I am reinstalling right now and hoped there would be something I could try.
[09:53] <jibel> Severian, this is a know issue discovered during alpha testing last week. The master bug is part of the release notes. Let me find it.
[09:57] <jibel> Severian, bug 712630
[09:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712630 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Alternate: Empty desktop after installation with 2D fallback (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712630
[09:59] <Severian> That does sound similar.  I chose the other option when asked to change session or close and my results were no better.  I'll add my info to that ticket.
[10:00] <jibel> Severian, thanks.
[10:01] <Severian> Should I close 714404?  It still mentions the prompt that does not have any answer that really makes sense.
[10:02] <jibel> you can mark it as duplicate and add the information to master report.
[10:04] <Severian> sure.
[10:34] <mvo_> jibel: simple(silly?) question, how do I make mago display debug output? it seems like it eats my prints or logging output (from the mago script not the app under testing)
[10:35] <jibel_> mvo_, -sv switches should make it, by default the output is buffered.
[10:39] <mvo_> jibel_: thanks, that works :)
[10:39] <mvo_> jibel_: is it currently unhappy (mago) about running inside xvfb-run ? or am I just running it with the wrong parameters?
[10:41] <jibel_> mvo_, so, that's a problem with ldtp where the ldtp client can't communicate to the ldtp daemon. There's a specific setup to proxify ldtp call to the daemon. Let me find it.
[10:47] <jibel_> mvo_, http://mago.ubuntu.com/Documentation/RunningOnHudson - Creating an a11y environment, there are 2 scripts to allow ldtp to run in an xvfb environment.
[10:48] <mvo_> thanks jibel_
[10:51] <jibel_> mvo_, I could add your scripts to the daily run if you wish ?
[10:55] <mvo_> jibel_: thanks, I need to finish it first :) plus I added some atk.Object.set_name() to make it easier to find the right widgets
[18:45] <nagappan> jibel, latest scripts for hudson x11 gui test are available here - https://launchpad.net/hudson-x11-guitest
[19:43] <bdmurray> highvoltage: you experienced bug 438637 when iso-testing?
[19:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 438637 in italc (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "italc application crashes soon after startup (affects: 2) (heat: 23)" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438637
[19:47] <highvoltage> bdmurray: yep
[19:48] <bdmurray> highvoltage: I think a new bug reported via apport would have helped in this case
[19:48] <highvoltage> bdmurray: oops, just a moment
[19:51] <highvoltage> bdmurray: ok, I'll do so the next time I test an iso, I'll get that fixed before alpha3 as well by just not starting italc anymore on login
[19:53] <bdmurray> highvoltage: is not starting it a fix?
[20:04] <highvoltage> bdmurray: it works on the installed system, we discussed it in edubuntu before and the result was that it wasn't that useful in a live system, it also takes quite a bit of RAM so we don't want to start it by default on a live system anyway. it works once installed though. I'll look at what is needed to fix it, it would probably be nice to have it startable on live media fwiw
[20:06] <bdmurray> highvoltage: okay, that makes sense.  it probably would have been helpful to have that info in the bug for other people - like me ;-)
[20:07] <highvoltage> bdmurray: indeed, sorry. we have it all over our edubuntu notes but sometimes we forget that there are other people who care
[20:08] <bdmurray> highvoltage: okay, thanks for all the information
[20:28] <jibel> nagappan, Hi,  I didn't knew you made it a project, thanks. I'll update the documentation.
[20:29] <jibel> nagappan, btw I've patched the new mago to run with python2.6
[21:44] <hakimsheriff> Hi people
[21:45] <highvoltage> hi hakimsheriff
[21:51] <nagappan> jibel, awesome, thanks :-)


[03:27] <Hypnotoad> knome: Of course.
[06:53] <astraljava> zequence: Right, so I wasn't fantasizing about that after all. Just came to mind when folks over at Xubuntu side talked about such.
[07:27] <SpEcKz> !seen ttoine
[07:28] <SpEcKz> anyone seen ttoine here guys?
[15:47] <zequence> OvenWerks: Have you been following what the changes were to fix the UEFI bug?
[17:44] <zequence> I'm away for the weekend, but next week I really need to finish up work for planning, and set up a meeting between the devs in our team, etc
[20:28] <OvenWerks> zequence: I will look at it some more. As far as I know, ours should work now. Do we want to try it with the UbuntuStudio back in?


[15:17] <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1853470 i think this can be closed
[15:17] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1853470 in cloud-init "parse_timestamp_from_date requires GNU coreutils' date" [Undecided, Triaged]
[18:24] <Mazorius> Hi, I use cloud-init to generate my host-key provided by Terraform. I have an issue that the access rights getting changed from 0644 to 0600. Is this intended or a bug?
[18:58] <meena> Mazorius: how are you writing this file?
[19:00] <Mazorius> @mee
[19:01] <Mazorius> meena I setting it up via the cloud.init sshd module:
[19:01] <Mazorius> disable_root: true
[19:02] <Mazorius> ssh_deletekeys: true
[19:02] <Mazorius> ssh_genkeytypes: []
[19:02] <Mazorius> ssh_keys:
[19:02] <Mazorius>   ed25519_private: |
[19:02] <Mazorius>     ${indent(4, host_key.private_key_openssh)}
[19:02] <Mazorius>   ed25519_public: ${host_key.public_key_openssh}
[19:02] <Mazorius> it is a Terraform template
[19:04] <meena> private key.
[19:04] <meena> private key, 0644. sounds very wrong
[19:06] <waldi> Mazorius: please be more specific. what are you seeing and why do you think it is not correct?
[19:09] <minimal> Mazorius: why are you creating a host key in Terraform? cloud-init can create that itself. Normally a host private key should be created on-device and never leave the device
[19:10] <Mazorius> minimal for a git remote installation you need to provide a fixed host key and can not simply use always a new generated. So that is not possible in this case.
[19:11] <Mazorius> waldi the git server is not able to read the Host-key as it is only readable by root (0600) when I change it to (0644) which is ne normal case everything works as expected.
[19:12] <waldi> Mazorius: the host key is supposed to be not readable
[19:12] <Mazorius> meena for a private key you are completely right. Sorry. It is only about the public key
[19:12] <waldi> sorry, but this is a xy-problem, not a cloud-init problem
[19:13] <minimal> generally speaking a host's SSH private key should only be readable by the SSH server
[19:13] <Mazorius> of course but not the public key and this is also 0600 instead of 0644 which would be correct.
[19:13] <Mazorius> Sorry for the mistake with the private key.;)
[19:17] <waldi> well, it is because the cloud-init is told to do that:
[19:17] <waldi>             f"{k}_private": (KEY_FILE_TPL % k, 0o600),
[19:17] <waldi>             f"{k}_public": (f"{KEY_FILE_TPL % k}.pub", 0o600),
[19:17] <waldi> nothing wrong with that, nothing apart sshd needs to read even the public key
[19:19] <minimal> Mazorius: what software on your host needs access to the host public key?
[19:26] <Mazorius> minimal GitLab
[19:26] <Mazorius> so it is intended and is not possible to be changed in anyway? waldi
[19:29] <minimal> as a workaround you could use a "runcmd:" entry to change the permissions
[19:31] <Mazorius> I did that but want to be sure if this is the only solution. Thanks all of you.
[19:31] <minimal> not being familiar with Gitlab installation I still do not see why a specific priv/pub host key set have to be provided rather than using an autogenerated set
[19:33] <minimal> Mazorius: well it may well make sense to change cc_ssh.py to use 644 rather than 600 for the *public* host key, the way to (potentially) change that would be for someone to submit a PR
[19:35] <minimal> actually looking on a cloud-init configured VM here I see the public host key *IS* -rw-r--r--
[19:38] <waldi> minimal: you did not supply the key, but let cloud-init generate it?
[19:38] <minimal> yes that's cloud-init generated
[19:38] <waldi> that's the difference
[19:39] <minimal> ok, I still understand why Mazorius cannot use a c-i generated key during his gitlab installation - no info has been provided as to why that won't work
[19:42] <minimal> waldi: ah, here's where it is set for autogenerated public key: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/9c7502a801763520639c66125eb373123d1e4f44/cloudinit/config/cc_ssh.py#L282
[19:44] <meena> Mazorius: what group does Gitlab run under? you can change the group, and give the group read access to the key: 0640
[19:45] <waldi> meena: no, he can't, as cloud-init sets the permission to 0600
[19:46] <minimal> but if he uses the autogenerated public key then every user on the system has read access to it......
[19:49] <meena> or use install / chmod + chgrp in runcmd
[20:03] <Mazorius> meena it runs by default under the gitlab_rails group which is generated by the package installation
[20:05] <meena> Mazorius: which runs well after cloud-init? does it have a fixed GID?
[20:07] <Mazorius> interesting is that cloud-init seems to generate a pub key if provided with 0600: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/9c7502a801763520639c66125eb373123d1e4f44/cloudinit/config/cc_ssh.py#L190
[20:07] <Mazorius> but if not provided and simply generate it by itself with 0644: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/9c7502a801763520639c66125eb373123d1e4f44/cloudinit/config/cc_ssh.py#L282
[20:07] <Mazorius> And the private key with 0600 if provided and if not 0640 … so it somehow inconsistent in cloud-init or I am wrong?
[20:08] <Mazorius> Do not know that inside of the omnibus installation meena
[20:08] <minimal> we already discussed this difference in permissions
[20:11] <Mazorius> were was this discussed? As all tools I know use 0600 for private and 0644 for public:
[20:11] <Mazorius> e.g.: https://www.tenable.com/audits/items/CIS_Google_Container_Optimized_OS_v1.0.0_L1_Server.audit:7f016cd406100a1ee2ad94834111f005
[20:11] <Mazorius> https://www.tenable.com/audits/items/CIS_Google_Container_Optimized_OS_v1.0.0_L1_Server.audit:6225b8224fbd4f360ebdc72c56f3eae9
[20:12] <minimal> Mazorius: 30 minutes ago here when I said:
[20:12] <minimal> > "waldi: ah, here's where it is set for autogenerated public key: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/9c7502a801763520639c66125eb373123d1e4f44/cloudinit/config/cc_ssh.py#L282"
[20:13] <Mazorius> ah you mean this:)  If it is only changing this line I can of course create a PR for that.
[20:14] <minimal> and also 40 mins ago when I said:
[20:14] <minimal> "Mazorius: well it may well make sense to change cc_ssh.py to use 644 rather than 600 for the *public* host key, the way to (potentially) change that would be for someone to submit a PR"
[20:34] <Mazorius> minimal the PR: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1971
[20:34] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1971 in canonical/cloud-init "Fix permission of SSH host keys" [Open]


[00:00] <SPooN> let me look at ndis
[00:00] <Cheri703> ScottD: what model number are you looking for? perhaps I'm missing something
[00:00] <Cheri703> I get "exact model number" for xps 17
[00:00] <Cheri703> but...is there a specific form or?
[00:01] <geirha> Video cards and wireless cards are the hardware that most often lack proper linux support.
[00:01] <SPooN> INtel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 is not listed here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:WORKS&from=Genius+GF3000U
[00:01] <SPooN> so unsure as to compatability
[00:01] <Cheri703> XPS 17 (L701X)
[00:01] <Cheri703> ScottD: XPS 17 (L701X)
[00:01] <geirha> Searching for ubuntu and chipset/model on google will often give good clues as to how well it works in Ubuntu.
[00:01] <head_victim> Cheri703: where in the *bleep* did you find that :)
[00:01] <ScottD> Okay well apparently that wifi card works 2.6.31
[00:01]  * Cheri703 has amazing google-fu skills
[00:02] <ScottD> in 2.6.31*
[00:02] <Cheri703> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_XPS
[00:02] <SPooN> where did you get that from ScottD?
[00:02] <head_victim> Here I was thinking that surely it had to be on the dell website.....
[00:02] <Cheri703> didn't just go to wiki though (probably should have), found it via googling
[00:02] <SPooN> 2.6.31 of what?
[00:02] <Cheri703> yeah, that makes too much sense for dell head_victim
[00:02] <head_victim> Cheri703: I should have known
[00:02] <SPooN> hey dell is where its at
[00:02] <ScottD> random forum posts on backports.ubuntuforums.org
[00:02] <head_victim> as for it's wifi http://download.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/prodbrf/323016.pdf
[00:03] <Cheri703> I looked around on there as well, but...then off to googling
[00:03] <Cheri703> but yeah, there you go
[00:03] <head_victim> It's ubuntu linux listed as a specified operating system.
[00:03] <SPooN> I'm on a dell studio, which works after Broadcom-STA
[00:03] <SPooN> so I'd assume XPS would work
[00:04] <Cheri703> hope that helps ScottD
[00:06] <ScottD> Okay so the wifi card appears to work.
[00:06] <ScottD> Thanks for your help (:
[00:06] <head_victim> I'd say that wifi card looks a lot better than the base model
[00:07] <head_victim> Want to buy 2 laptops and post me one? :)
[00:08] <ScottD> haha
[00:08] <head_victim> Worth a shot, you don't get anything without asking ;)
[00:08] <ScottD> I've had this HP dv6 for about a year and half and right after the warranty expired it started falling apart.
[00:09] <stlsaint> ScottD: classic
[00:09] <ScottD> Battery is awful, hard drive has tons of bad sectors, the left clicker thingy is broke...
[00:10] <SPooN> new question already... gonna have to learn this fasst. so I can open .py files to edit them, but how can I run them?
[00:11] <head_victim> python /file.py
[00:11] <head_victim> or sudo chmod +x /file.py  and then just the usual /path/to/file.py
[00:12] <pedro3005> uh
[00:12] <pedro3005> python file.py
[00:12] <stlsaint> SPooN: easiest is to to option two that head_victim gave and just make it executbale
[00:12] <pedro3005> not /file.py
[00:12] <SPooN> might have to install python actually...
[00:12] <stlsaint> true
[00:12] <head_victim> Yeah sorry, was carried away :/
[00:12] <pedro3005> SPooN, you have python
[00:12] <stlsaint> +1 pedro
[00:12] <pedro3005> most likely
[00:12] <SPooN> it shows up in synaptic
[00:13] <pedro3005> SPooN, just try it
[00:13] <pedro3005> it says it can't find python?
[00:14] <SPooN> so if I have the .py saved to desktop...
[00:14] <SPooN> sudo chmod +x /blah.py
[00:14] <SPooN> ?
[00:14] <pedro3005> no need to IMO
[00:14] <pedro3005> python blah.py
[00:14] <SPooN> just like that within terminal?
[00:15] <pedro3005> and FYI it'd be "sudo chmod +x blah.py"
[00:15] <pedro3005> yes
[00:15] <SPooN> hmm tells me no such file or dir....
[00:17] <pedro3005> SPooN, cd Desktop
[00:17] <SPooN> same err.
[00:18] <SPooN> which is odd...
[00:18] <pedro3005> huh
[00:18] <SPooN> meaning I don't have a desktop
[00:18] <pedro3005> what dir are you on?
[00:18] <SPooN> ubuntu 10.10
[00:19] <pedro3005> no, directory
[00:19] <SPooN> how can I tell? not sure what you mean
[00:20]  * SPooN is supernew to Ubuntu
[00:20] <pedro3005> SPooN, type this on the terminal
[00:20] <pedro3005> cd ~/Desktop
[00:21] <SPooN> bash: cd~/Desktop: No such file or directory
[00:21] <SPooN> thats the output from cd~/desktop
[00:21] <pedro3005> SPooN, no, with a space
[00:21] <pedro3005> cd ~/Desktop
[00:21] <pedro3005> there is a space between cd and ~...
[00:21] <SPooN> oops typo
[00:21] <SPooN> :P
[00:21] <pedro3005> did it work now?
[00:21] <SPooN> yes
[00:21] <pedro3005> and python too?
[00:22] <SPooN> Traceback (most recent call last):
[00:22] <SPooN>   File "idiocy.py", line 2, in <module>
[00:22] <SPooN>     import getopt, sys, pcap, dpkt, re, httplib, urllib
[00:22] <SPooN> ImportError: No module named pcap
[00:22] <SPooN> which I assume is an error in the program itself
[00:23] <pedro3005> SPooN, one moment please
[00:23] <SPooN> sure
[00:25] <aveilleux> !pastebin | SPooN
[00:25] <ubot2> SPooN: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[00:26] <SPooN> thank you aveilleux
[00:26] <stlsaint> SPooN: install the pastebinit application
[00:26] <stlsaint> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit
[00:26] <stlsaint> SPooN: ^^
[00:26] <SPooN> thanks
[00:26] <SPooN> :)
[00:26] <stlsaint> very small app but very useful
[00:27] <pedro3005> SPooN, sudo apt-get install python-pypcap
[00:27] <pedro3005> then try again
[00:27] <SPooN> do I need to get out of cd ~/desktop
[00:28] <SPooN> got out of it, downloading
[00:29] <SPooN> pedro3005:   File "idiocy.py", line 2, in <module>
[00:29] <SPooN>     import getopt, sys, pcap, dpkt, re, httplib, urllib
[00:29] <SPooN> ImportError: No module named dpkt
[00:31] <pedro3005> SPooN, yeah, one more moment
[00:32] <SPooN> alright, thanks for all the help man
[00:33] <pedro3005> SPooN, sudo apt-get install python-dpkt
[00:35] <SPooN>  File "idiocy.py", line 128, in <module>
[00:35] <SPooN>     main()
[00:35] <SPooN>   File "idiocy.py", line 20, in main
[00:35] <SPooN>     cap = pcap.pcap(device)
[00:35] <SPooN>   File "pcap.pyx", line 194, in pcap.pcap.__init__
[00:35] <pedro3005> that's all?
[00:36] <SPooN> uhm yes...
[00:36] <SPooN> actually
[00:36] <SPooN> line above that first
[00:36] <SPooN> Traceback (most recent call last):
[00:38] <pedro3005> SPooN, well, that is surely weird
[00:38] <pedro3005> where did you get the script from?
[00:38] <SPooN> online.
[00:38] <pedro3005> ..well, yes
[00:38] <pedro3005> where?
[00:38] <pedro3005> you know, what website
[00:39] <SPooN> its not extraordinarily legit
[00:39] <SPooN> its a mod of firesheep
[00:39] <SPooN> combined with idiocy
[00:41] <pedro3005> well are you sure the code is right?
[00:41] <Cheri703> what is the irc command for last seen? like what were the last things the person said?
[00:41] <SPooN> code may not be right. I'll look into it
[00:41] <pedro3005> Cheri703, AFAIK there's no default IRC command for that.. some bots have that functionality
[00:41] <pleia2> Cheri703: there has to be some kind of bot or something tracking logs, most channels don't have a "seen" command
[00:42] <pleia2> Cheri703: if you want to see their idle time, you can /whois nickname
[00:42] <pleia2> (doesn't work everywhere though)
[00:42] <pedro3005> Cheri703, you can see when they last logged on if that's of any use
[00:42] <pedro3005> /ns info <nick>
[00:42] <pleia2> here on freenode you can do like: /whois pleia2 pleia2
[00:43] <pleia2> to see my idle time (yes, nickname twice)
[00:43] <Cheri703> well, for ubottu I guess
[00:43] <Cheri703> pleia2: it's in u-w I'm curious
[00:43] <pleia2> I'm pretty sure ubottu doesn't have a seen command
[00:43] <SPooN> I've seen a perl script that'll do it...
[00:43] <Cheri703> hmm...I thought I saw someone use it in there
[00:44] <Cheri703> pleia2: can I pm you?
[00:45] <pleia2> Cheri703: sure
[00:51] <ScottD> OpenOffice will be replaced with LibreOffice in 11.04? o:
[01:19] <UndiFineD> ScottD, asap I hope
[01:19] <ScottD> Oracle is a badword ;P
[01:20] <UndiFineD> No it is not a bad word, just that they have more commercial interests than sun did
[01:20] <UndiFineD> and sun was not too OS minded as well
[01:21] <ScottD> They completely removed MySQL community edition.
[01:21] <ScottD> It's back now, but it wasn't when I originally looked.
[01:21] <UndiFineD> Mysql ... I am not too sure about that progressing now
[01:21] <UndiFineD> but it is a good DB as it is
[01:22] <UndiFineD> sofar the only truely free are postgres and couchdb
[01:22] <UndiFineD> both being very different
[01:23] <pleia2> most of the big postgres database developers work for enterprisedb, which does a lot of custom postgres stuff
[01:23] <pleia2> so while they don't technically have a backing like mysql, by your definition I'm not sure they'd qualify as "truely free" either :)
[01:24] <pleia2> by my definition they're both still free, and there are commercial addon options
[01:25] <UndiFineD> so what do you suggest pleia2
[01:25] <pleia2> I still use mysql and postgres, their community version are fantastic
[01:25] <pleia2> versions
[01:26] <pleia2> we mostly work with small/medium businesses, and the standard versions are fine for that scale
[01:30] <ScottD> I wonder how long until Oracle starts charging for VirtualBox
[01:31] <UndiFineD> http://www.opensource.org/licenses/postgresql <- rather weak license, I have doubt if it would pass law
[01:32] <UndiFineD> as in, if company A provides serves with postgresql, and it fails, company B sues and finds out they use that, they could say not fit for purpose
[01:32] <pleia2> UndiFineD: the OSI has some pretty strong licensing lawyers working for them and that license is approved, I wouldn't write it off so quickly
[01:34] <UndiFineD> in my country, only Creative Commons have been approved
[01:34] <UndiFineD> Even Osor is not mentioned in any of our law documents
[01:34] <pleia2> yeah, it certainly does depend on your country
[01:34] <UndiFineD> which has been developed by the EU
[01:35] <pleia2> unfortunately one of the big things I learned about open source licensing at the linux collaboration summit this year is that they're still very US-based when it comes to writing licenses that will stand up
[01:35] <pleia2> including what language is used in the documents and such
[01:38] <UndiFineD> it means, we would need to spends millions to certify license by law in each country
[01:38]  * pleia2 nods
[04:46] <benpowers23> i just repartitioned my hd and am fixing to install on ubuntu on a dedicated partition anyone have some advice
[04:46] <bioterror> remember to buy some installation beer! ;)
[04:48] <bioterror> so benpowers23, in what you need some advices?
[04:48] <benpowers23> i work on a tow boat, im gone from home for a month at a time,  were not allowed to have alcohol |-)
[04:48] <benpowers23> is there anything im missing as far as drive setup or is it as simple as installing on the specific partition
[04:50] <stlsaint> bioterror: once you allocated the space just tell ubuntu to use the largest free space or do a manual partition install
[04:50] <benpowers23> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
[04:51] <benpowers23> thats why im confused
[04:51] <bioterror> stlsaint, best is to wipe whole drive for ubuntu :D
[04:54] <stlsaint> lol
[04:54] <stlsaint> HA TAB FAIL
[04:54] <benpowers23> so,  dont  fallow the page?
[04:55] <stlsaint> benpowers23: have you already partitioned some space for ubuntu?
[04:55] <benpowers23> yes 119 gb
[04:56] <benpowers23> 181 for windows  119 for ubuntu and 12 for windows recovery
[04:56] <bioterror> well
[04:56] <bioterror> just choose from installer to use all the required space
[04:57] <benpowers23> ok
[04:57] <bioterror> required == all free space :D
[04:57] <benpowers23> i will def thank you
[04:57] <bioterror> well
[04:57] <bioterror> no probs
[04:57] <benpowers23> be back next prob ;-)
[04:59] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=install-step4b.png
[05:51] <MyD0j0> hello
[05:53] <karthick87> haai
[05:56] <geekosopher> hello all
[05:56] <MyD0j0> i have a question about using dd to image my existing winxp drive for converting to a virutalbox image; in this link: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows they talk about imaging the drive and in step 3, they say *do not* just image the partition; i am already booted to a livecd (coming live from... ;) and have a secondary drive to large enough to hold the dd image--but i do not understand what *not just* the part
[05:57] <MyD0j0> the image will be used in ubuntu instead of a side by side install...
[06:47] <karthick87> Hi everyone i planned to conduct a workshop on ubuntu in my college for my juniors,i need some ubuntu posters to post it in my college and make it to spread among the students..Where to get good posters..?
[07:00] <head_victim> karthick87: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/
[07:02] <karthick87> head_victim: Thank you :) Is it possible to edit those posters?
[07:03] <head_victim> Most of them have licenses telling you what you can and can't do with them
[07:03] <head_victim> If they allow editing then they usually have a source download.
[07:04] <karthick87> head_victim: Yes there is a source .svg format.
[07:07] <head_victim> Well it seems you're in luck
[07:07] <karthick87> Using which software i can edit these .svg format
[07:56] <venilsurya> Is there a way to download the packages for upgrading to 10.10 without running the upgrade right away?
[09:18] <apollothethird> I have a Laptop running Ubuntu and a Desktop running Ubuntu.  I'm trying to properly run a remote gnome-session from the desktop on the laptop and have sound.
[09:20] <apollothethird> I'm sure I'm not doing it right because when I run startx on the laptop it starts the local gnome-session windows manager.  So what I do is start it with the X command then export my DISPLAY to :0, then "ssh -X myid@mydesktop gnome-session"
[09:21] <apollothethird> That brings up the desktop's gnome-session.  Can someone tell me if that is the standard way or is there a more conventional way of doing this.
[12:45] <Jon69> I've got an Evolution problem: All my folders (Inbox etc) are suddenly not visible.  On clicking the grey button "Mail" the Left-hand panel where the folders should be just shows "On this Computer" "Search Folders" and "Unmatched"  At one stage it said 268 messages, 103 unread, but now I can't even see this. This has suddenly happened, with no changes made ... except that it *may* have been after I accepted download of about
[12:45] <Jon69> I've got an Evolution problem: (continued) What IS still OK: filters I set up, contacts etc.   I'm using POP email from my ISP. There's only one account, set as default, obviously.  I'm very new to Ubuntu (got version 10.10) and new to Evolution (version 2.30.3)
[12:53] <geirha> Your first message got cut off at «...*may* have been after I accepted download of about»
[13:48] <nlsthzn> Hi all :)
[13:53] <pedro3005> hi nlsthzn
[13:53] <pedro3005> I cannot pronounce your nickname
[13:53] <nlsthzn> pedro3005: Thats ok, neither can I :p
[13:53] <Mohan_chml> lol
[14:02] <Joeb454> I'd go with 'nelsthuzun' :P
[14:02] <Joeb454> where the 'u' is as it is in the word 'up'
[14:02] <Joeb454> not like the u's in ubuntu :)
[14:04] <nlsthzn> Joeb454: lol
[14:05] <Joeb454> :)
[14:05] <nlsthzn> You should learn some afrikaans and use that to pronounce it
[14:08] <Joeb454> hmm, I know a few south africans that speak afrikaans, I might mention it :P
[14:08] <aluex> need help
[14:08] <Joeb454> what's up aluex
[14:09] <aluex> my package list broke down
[14:10] <aluex> i've installed openoffice.org but it isn't listed in status yet
[14:11] <Joeb454> do you get any errors?
[14:12] <aluex> Joeb454, i replaced current one with a backup,and that caused the thing above
[14:12] <Joeb454> aluex: you replaced the current OpenOffice, or package list?
[14:13] <aluex> Package list
[14:13] <aluex> /var/dpkg.../status-old
[14:14] <Joeb454> hmm, I don't even have a /var/dpkg directory :-\
[14:15] <aluex> sorry
[14:15] <aluex> it should be /var/lib/dpkg...
[14:15] <aluex> :P
[14:15] <Joeb454> ah ok, I'll check there :P
[14:16] <Joeb454> ok...howcome you replaced it, if you don't mind me asking?
[14:17] <aluex> because the list turned into an empty file by mistake..
[14:17] <Joeb454> ah...
[14:18] <aluex> and i dont know that untill i was informed of it after i type apt-get update
[14:18] <aluex> very odd
[14:19] <Joeb454> aluex: check in /var/backups - there might be one in there
[14:19] <Joeb454> dpkg.status.*
[14:19] <Joeb454> looks like the system keeps automatic backups of them
[14:20] <aluex> /var/lib/dpkg/status-old is a backup i used
[14:21] <aluex> and openoffice.org i installed later was not in that list./
[14:23] <aluex> ...maybe a bit confusing...
[14:23] <Joeb454> aluex: have you tried using /var/backups/dpkg.status.0
[14:23] <Joeb454> or /var/backups/dpkg.status.1.gz
[14:24] <aluex> howto? just cp?
[14:24] <Joeb454> aluex: if you look in /var/backups/ you'll see there's a number of backups for dpkg.status, so if you wanted to use one, you'd use the following:
[14:24] <Joeb454> sudo cp /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:25] <Joeb454> or
[14:25] <Joeb454> sudo cp /var/backups/dpkg.status.1.gz /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:25] <Joeb454> etc.
[14:28] <lukjad> Joeb454 !
[14:28] <lukjad> PabloRubianes !
[14:28] <PabloRubianes> hi lukjad
[14:28] <aluex> Joeb454, the directory /var/backups/ id empty.
[14:28] <aluex> is
[14:28] <lukjad> PabloRubianes Joeb454 http://www.reddit.com/r/itookapicture/comments/e2hfh/itap_an_early_morning_shot_of_a_street/
[14:28] <lukjad> :D
[14:30] <nlsthzn> I don't get it?
[14:30] <aluex> Joeb454, i wanna remove openoffice.org
[14:30] <PabloRubianes> lukjad: nice!
[14:30] <aluex> but it says i haven't installed it
[14:31] <lukjad> PabloRubianes :D
[14:31] <lukjad> Thanks!
[14:31] <aluex> Joeb454, poke
[14:34] <Joeb454> hey lukjad
[14:34] <lukjad> Joeb454 :D What did you think?
[14:35] <Joeb454> aluex: sorry, had to go afk briefly. So you want to remove OOo, but the /var/backups/ directory is also empty?
[14:35] <Joeb454> lukjad: nice
[14:35] <lukjad> :D
[14:37] <aluex> and its the reason that my package list is  not up-to-date with  my current status
[14:38] <aluex> poor aluex
[14:39] <Joeb454> hmm...do you have /var on a separate partition, by any chance?
[14:39] <aluex> i dont know ...actually, this is a arm-device
[14:40] <aluex> and memory size is small
[14:40] <aluex> so ... oo.o is a bit fat
[14:41]  * aluex poor aluex
[14:41] <Joeb454> hmmm...I'm out of ideas, I don't know why it isn't appearing, or if there's any way to recover it, especially with the backups dir being empty as well :(
[14:42] <aluex> and is there any way to remove a software not listed in the package list..?
[14:46] <aluex> but i can see oo.o in dpkg -l
[14:46] <Andyy47> hey am new to linux but am diggin it...have a laptop heat issue
[14:47] <Timo_> Andyy47: what's the problem exactly?
[14:47] <Timo_> Can you describe it in detail?
[14:47] <Andyy47> this toshiba runs hot and stalls?
[14:48] <Timo_> so the fan isn't working properly I guess?
[14:48] <pedro3005> Andyy47, what are the system specs? ram, etc
[14:49] <Andyy47> ok elsewhere  amd dual core at 2gig  3 gig ram  bestbuys l305d
[14:49] <Andyy47> fan does push heat  under any load is hot
[14:51] <Andyy47> this is recent install  nodual boot or anything
[14:51] <Andyy47> would the amd64 ubuntu 9.10 work around this?
[14:57] <Andyy47> does fan have more than one speed?
[16:59] <Daniel0108> hi
[17:00] <Mohan_chml> Hello
[17:01] <Daniel0108> someone here, who is good with port enabling/forwarding? :P
[17:01] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: 'sup
[17:02] <Daniel0108> aveilleux: so, you can help me? :)
[17:02] <Timo_> Daniel0108: just ask and if someone knows a solution they will tell
[17:03] <Daniel0108> okay :P
[17:03] <Daniel0108> so.. I got a new router: Thomson twg850... I want to forward my 80 port, but I think this port is not enabled...
[17:03] <Daniel0108> i always get "Connection timed out" error... :(
[17:04] <deejoe_> this is for outgoing connections, or for incoming connections?
[17:04] <Daniel0108> I want to setup a server ;)
[17:04] <deejoe_> do you have a server running now?
[17:05] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: Have you taken a look at http://portforward.com/ ?
[17:05] <Daniel0108> first I want to try on my computer, then I do the same thing on my server ;)
[17:05] <Daniel0108> yea, I always have... it didn't help...
[17:05] <deejoe_> Daniel0108: you have to have the server running first, then forward connections to it
[17:05] <Daniel0108> oops xD I meant I already looked there :P
[17:05] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: I assume you're running Apache on Ubuntu?
[17:06] <Daniel0108> yeah, I HAVE the server running on my computer, I have LAMP :)
[17:06] <deejoe_> if you forward connections to . . . nothing, then you will be disappointed.
[17:06] <Daniel0108> yes
[17:06] <Daniel0108> Apache with LAMP
[17:06] <deejoe_> so you can connect to that server from the same computer that runs it.
[17:06] <deejoe_> ?
[17:06] <Daniel0108> yes
[17:06] <deejoe_> ok, good
[17:06] <Daniel0108> and I can connect from my other pc(which is also connected to the router)
[17:07] <deejoe_> and they are both on the internal network
[17:07] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Thomson-Alcatel/TWG850/HTTP.htm You found this?
[17:07] <Daniel0108> all pcs in my network can connect, so my server works ;)
[17:07] <Daniel0108> yes, I exactly found this, aveilleux :)
[17:08] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: I've had this issue before, on Verizon... try configuring Apache to run on port 8080 and try then. Your ISP might block port 80.
[17:08] <Daniel0108> okay ;) thanks :)
[17:08] <Daniel0108> I will try
[17:10] <Daniel0108> can you please tell me where the config file for apache is, when I installed Lampp?  Linux Apache Mysql PHP
[17:12] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: You *should* have an /etc/apache2/ directory, or else there's something seriously wrong with your Apache install
[17:12] <Daniel0108> but I installed lampp to /opt/lampp/
[17:12] <Daniel0108> i just installed lampp, lol :P
[17:13] <UndiFineD> omg
[17:13] <Daniel0108> what?
[17:13] <aveilleux> Um,
[17:13] <aveilleux> what?
[17:13] <UndiFineD> we actually have another dodgy compiled lamp service
[17:13] <aveilleux> What, really
[17:13] <aveilleux> Gross
[17:14] <Daniel0108> :P I downloaded an installer ;)
[17:14] <Daniel0108> that's not my fault ;)
[17:14] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: Can you link where you got the installer? I can have a look-see
[17:15] <Daniel0108> umm... I don't know anymore, but it installed lampp to /opt/lampp/ directory...
[17:15] <Daniel0108> if you want, I can reinstall lampp ;)
[17:16] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: That's not entirely helpful, anything can install into /opt; I'm looking for your specific implementation of Lampp
[17:16] <Daniel0108> okay, wait, I'm searching for the link ;)
[17:17] <Daniel0108> oh, wait, I just did everything, apachefriends told me... :P
[17:17] <Daniel0108> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html#377
[17:17] <Daniel0108> that should help you ;)
[17:18] <UndiFineD> xampp, hmm, not very secure
[17:18] <Daniel0108> hmm
[17:18] <UndiFineD> phillw,
[17:18] <Daniel0108> can you give me a suggestion for a better program?
[17:18] <UndiFineD> apache, mysql, php
[17:19] <UndiFineD> phillw, wrote a manaul for it :)
[17:20] <Daniel0108> okay, thanks ;)
[17:20] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: I second UndiFineD's suggestion of installing Apache, Mysql and PHP separately rather than installing XAMPP, because updates are available for it and if you don't need the MP part then you can just install the A alone ;-)
[17:20] <Daniel0108> I'm a new to such things :P I'm usually a programmer ;)
[17:20] <phillw> Daniel0108: have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119
[17:20] <Daniel0108> thanks, I will read :)
[17:21] <phillw> try using tasksel on your system, it should get the missing stuff.
[17:21] <Daniel0108> thanks  :P
[17:21] <phillw> I did hold that as a classroom a few months back, it's just easier to find my notes on my own forum :)
[17:24] <Daniel0108> there is a problem with tasksel...
[17:24] <Daniel0108> tasksel: aptitude failed (100) :(
[17:24] <Mohan_chml> phillw, ^
[17:25] <phillw> sudu tasksel
[17:25] <Daniel0108> :PP sorry, my fault ;)
[17:25] <phillw> *sudo tasksel*
[17:25] <Daniel0108> another aptitude task was running in the background ;)
[17:26] <phillw> lol, yeah, that catches me sometimes :)
[17:26] <Daniel0108> haha :)
[17:26] <Daniel0108> I always forget to close synaptics :P >.<
[17:26] <SPooN> i never really open in
[17:27] <SPooN> should I open it?
[17:27] <Daniel0108> no ;) not really :P
[17:27] <Daniel0108> just if you want xD
[17:27] <SPooN> ok :P
[17:27]  * SPooN is new to ubuntu and has no idea what he's doing
[17:28] <Daniel0108> okay, finished installation, now /etc/apache2 is aviable
[17:28]  * Mohan_chml is the same as SPooN
[17:29] <Daniel0108>  *available
[17:29] <Daniel0108> I have to change ports.conf, right?
[17:34] <Daniel0108> okay thanks :) I only have one question, how can I see if my ISP is blocking a port?
[17:35] <aveilleux> Daniel0108: Call them and find out :P
[17:36] <Daniel0108> okay, thanks :P I thought there is another way :)
[17:36] <Daniel0108> thanks for all :P I think it's impossible with my ISP :) But I have a 2nd server, that is working ;)
[17:37] <Daniel0108> on this server I installed CentOS server :)
[17:37] <Daniel0108> thanks for you help :) have to go, bye :)
[17:40] <phillw> SPooN: head over and have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3 it contains some really good links to resources for ubuntu for beginners.
[17:41] <SPooN> phillw: thank you
[17:43] <Mohan_chml> phillw, thank you. I will read it to when SPooN finishes reading
[17:43] <Mohan_chml> s/to/too
[17:43] <SPooN> why do I have to finish first :O
[17:43] <phillw> Mohan_chml: it's on my forum, many people can read it at once :P
[17:44] <Mohan_chml> phillw, I am new to internet and I don't know anything. teach me :D
[17:44] <phillw> SPooN: that forum area is where I store my copies of my notes, they are available to any and everyone.
[17:45] <phillw> Mohan_chml: lol
[17:45] <SPooN> lol
[17:45] <SPooN> thanks for the link in any case phillw
[17:45] <phillw> it's easier than flooding the room with lots of links :)
[17:46] <Mohan_chml> phillw, what is a link? :P
[17:47] <SPooN> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3
[17:47] <Mohan_chml> lol
[17:48] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, for how much days you are with ubuntu?
[17:48] <SPooN> this is my second day running Ubuntu
[17:49] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, and are you new to the Linux family too?
[17:49] <SPooN> yes
[17:49] <Mohan_chml> nice
[18:30] <Daniel0108> hi :)
[18:30] <Timo_> hi Daniel0108 wb
[18:32] <Daniel0108> hi Timo :)
[18:33] <SPooN> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU9-TRVbhkE
[18:34] <ikonia> SPooN: stop spamming links
[18:36] <pedro3005> SPooN, #ubuntu-beginners-team is more appropriate for offtopic subjects
[18:38] <SPooN> what do I need to install in Synaptic to get Java(tm) to work?
[18:40] <Daniel0108> what about installing it in software center?
[18:40] <Daniel0108> do you want to install a java plugin for your browser or the java runtime?
[18:40] <Daniel0108> for plugin: install icedtea6-plugin
[18:41] <Daniel0108> for runtime: install openjdk-6-jre (or other engines with jre in their name;) )
[19:43] <Daniel0108> ;)
[19:44] <Mohan_chml> Daniel0108, I can see the whole channel with smileys all over :P
[19:44] <Daniel0108> really? :P just wanted to bump the chat xD
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> lolz
[19:52] <hobgoblin> chat?
[19:52] <Mohan_chml> Hola hobgoblin
[19:53] <Daniel0108> hi hobgoblin ;)
[19:58] <djs> Hello everyone. I'm a noob!
[19:59] <pedro3005> hello noob!
[20:00] <hobgoblin> hi djs - everyone is or was at some point
[20:00] <Mohan_chml> lololol
[20:00] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin, how are you spending this Sunday?
[20:00] <djs> To be human is to be noob
[20:01] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: waiting for a mate - he has a bottle of wine
[20:02] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin, /me missed that bottle :'(
[20:03] <Mohan_chml> wb MichelleQ1
[20:04] <hobgoblin> and hi Daniel0108 :)
[20:05] <MichelleQ1> Mohan_chml: thanks
[20:05] <MichelleQ1> sorry to have been in and out...  coming and going quite frequently these past few days!


[01:23] <koolkat> is xubuntu a good os for playing media files? does it have movieplayer and vlc and totem and flash?
[01:24] <knome> koolkat, you can install all of those.
[01:25] <koolkat> does movieplayer come preinstalled?
[01:25] <knome> yes, one comes, but i can't remember which one
[01:25] <knome> !media
[01:26] <knome> i suppose it's totem.
[01:27] <koolkat> what is mplayer?
[01:27] <knome> it's a media player.
[01:27] <koolkat> is it movieplayer?
[01:27] <knome> yes, it can play videos.
[01:28] <koolkat> is it the mediaplayer "movieplayer"?
[01:28] <knome> sorry, i don't understand your question. can you try to rephrase?
[01:29] <koolkat> there is a media player called "Movie Player 2.26.1". Is Mplayer the exact same  thing?
[01:31] <koolkat> is xubuntu better for virtual machines?
[01:32] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, better than?
[01:32] <koolkat> ubuntu
[01:32] <Darth_Tux> probably about the same
[01:32] <koolkat> i thought there was less overhead
[01:32] <koolkat> less ram used
[01:33] <koolkat> ram is essential with VM's
[01:33] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, i usually run the VM from withing Ubuntu or Debian
[01:33] <majuk> koolkat: MoviePlayer != MPlayer
[01:34] <koolkat> majuk: what?
[01:34] <koolkat> Darth_Tux: what does that have to do with anything?
[01:35] <koolkat> I'm talking about the VM itself
[01:35] <majuk> koolkat: It's the internet, read it again.
[01:35] <majuk> :P
[01:35] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, there is not a huge difference between ubuntu and Xubuntu
[01:35] <koolkat> should the VM be xubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:36] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, which do you prefer?
[01:36] <majuk> koolkat: You realize they're all free and if you don't like one, you can download and try the next.
[01:36] <koolkat> i prefer ubuntu, but if I can save 50 MB of ram, ill take xubuntu.
[01:37] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, why not look for a lighter distro?
[01:37] <majuk> koolkat: If you want to preserve resources, Ubuntu is not the way to go. Any flavor.
[01:37] <koolkat> im running multiple virtual machines
[01:38] <koolkat> ubuntu is the only distro that is easy enough for me to understand
[01:39] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, there are other rather easy distros
[01:39] <majuk> koolkat: Well, then know the difference between flavors (X/K/WEubuntu) is miniscule, pick one and run with it. ;)
[01:40] <koolkat> majuk: don't the differences add up when you're running 3 VM's
[01:40] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, why run 3 VMs?
[01:41] <koolkat> Darth_Tux: what are the easier distros?
[01:41] <Darth_Tux> not easier than ubuntu, but in the same ballpark, Mepis, AntiX, PClinuxOS just off the top of my head
[01:42] <koolkat> which is the easiest?
[01:42] <Darth_Tux> Mepis or PClinux, but AntiX is the smallest of the 3
[01:43] <koolkat> is AntiX easier than xubuntu?
[01:43] <Darth_Tux> dont know, havent messed with it lately
[01:44] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, i am sure it isnt that hard though
[01:45] <Darth_Tux> koolkat, take a look at ithttp://antix.mepis.org/index.php/Main_Page
[01:45] <Darth_Tux> thttp://antix.mepis.org/index.php/Main_Page
[01:53] <koolkat> and pclinux is a small distro?
[01:53] <Darth_Tux> nope
[01:54] <koolkat> why did you mention it then?
[01:55] <Darth_Tux> its good
[01:56] <koolkat> antix doesnt have movieplayer
[01:56] <koolkat> can you install it on there
[01:57] <Darth_Tux> sure
[01:57] <Darth_Tux> Mplayer or MoviePLayer?
[01:57] <koolkat> movieplayer
[01:58] <koolkat> movieplayer is a universal mediaplayer
[01:58] <koolkat> almost like vlc
[01:58] <Darth_Tux> MPlayer plays most everything
[01:59] <koolkat> does it play streams?
[01:59] <Darth_Tux> i believe so
[04:28] <acmeinc> Anyone here have virt-manager experience?
[05:05] <cmanns> aye guys
[05:07] <cmanns> Ever use unetbootin?
[05:58] <majuk> cmanns: I have, yes.
[06:02] <cmanns> was tryin to make a persistent live cd :3
[06:03] <majuk> cmanns: I only used it for non-persistent bootable USB keys.
[06:03] <majuk> So I have no idea.
[06:06] <cmanns> well it didnt work both way :3
[06:06] <cmanns> complained bout missing stuff, though i found out unetbootin didnt reformat the usb disk :3
[07:04] <nikolam> hmpf hello, hello
[07:04] <nikolam> All my .txt and text documents with no extension icons suddenly changed their icons to wine cup
[07:05] <nikolam> How do I get back default icon for text document for xfdesktop and thunar?
[07:28] <Besogon> nikolam, you can try do it by hand at least. (Actually I dont know how bu there that is full dekribed: http://standards.freedesktop.org/shared-mime-info-spec/shared-mime-info-spec-0.18.html#id2505428)
[07:44] <Besogon> nikolam, If you know Russian you could look at http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_MIME_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8B_%D0%B2_XFCE_%D0%B8_Gnome
[07:53] <Breetai> Anyone know what to change so when new users are created they are automatically members of the puliseaudio group?
[07:58] <forces> add the newuser to audio group
[10:33] <pteague> tell me how this makes sense...  i can use nslookup to find a local server, but trying to actually ssh, ping, etc to it & it can't find the host
[10:36] <ablomen> pteague, and you use the ip adress to ping it etc?
[10:36] <pteague> yes
[10:37] <pteague> i can ssh, ping, etc, but only if i use the ip address...  if i use the hostname it suddenly can't find it even though nslookup retrieves the correct ip address
[10:38] <ablomen> well then there is either something wrong on your pc's dns (check /etc/resolv.conf) or in the dns server it is using
[10:39] <ablomen> i guess you have to add the local dns server to your resolv.conf (if you havnt done so already)
[10:45] <pteague> i'm running xubuntu via vmware fusion on a mactel mbp which probably explains it...  what's funny is ssh can suddenly find the host, but ping is still lost
[11:42] <Gm_DK> hi... i have install a second audio card in my pc and want the new one to be default, i have checked with aplay -D plug:1,0 wav-file that sound is comming trougth... what file shall i make changes in to, to make card 1 default? im using xubuntu 9.04
[13:48] <emil111> Hello, I've been trying to install Ubuntu for days with no luck and now I'm going to try Xubuntu instead. I'm just curious about what are the basic differences? For people involved, it could be a good idea to write this clearly on the website or the wiki
[13:49] <Darth_Tux> hi emil111
[13:49] <Darth_Tux> how are you?
[13:49] <knome> emil111, the basic difference is that ubuntu has gnome as de but xubuntu has xfce
[13:49] <Darth_Tux> knome, agreed
[14:45] <emil111> Hi I'm good thanks
[14:46] <emil111> I don't know the difference, but then it may just not matter to me at all. I'm glad to get it inside my pc :)   Can't understand why but ubuntu won't install, I've burned 3 live cd's, alternate install cd, tried wubi, usb boot, everything
[14:48] <Darth_Tux> emil111, i had that problem as well, the GUI is different is the only difference between ubuntu and Xubuntu
[14:49] <Darth_Tux> brb
[15:22] <SiDi> emil111: it doesnt install, but do you get any error message ?
[15:41] <emil111> I get errors when burning the cd
[15:41] <emil111> I also get an error if I do the "error check for cd" in the ubuntu boot menu
[15:41] <emil111> I can boot live and run for hours without trouble. but it won't install
[15:42] <emil111> when trying to install, it goes until 36% something, then freezes and some error message regarding disk errors
[15:43] <th0r> emil111: did you run the chksum on the iso when you downloaded it?
[15:44] <rob0917> hello all
[16:40] <yann|work> hi - is there a place where I can download a 7.10 xubuntu ?  it is not on old-releases, nor on cdimage/xubuntu/releases/ ...
[16:41] <yann|work> (I'm looking for the "alternate" i386 iso)
[16:56] <[John]> having trouble here; that last software update seems to have broken my sound capability
[19:29] <bogdan__> hello. how can I hide Transmission from the buttom panel?
[19:30] <bogdan__> In ubuntu there is an option under the view menu for the tray icon...I can't see it in xubuntu
[19:31] <knome> in transmission, edit -> preferences -> tab "desktop", see the first checkbox item
[19:31] <knome> i mean, the second
[19:31] <bogdan__> thanks, knome
[19:31] <knome> np.
[19:55] <Nagilum> hi
[19:56] <Nagilum> I have a Voodoo3 2000 connected to a VisionMaster 450, wenn I boot Xubuntu 9.04/9.10 the monitor goes into standby as soon as X starts
[19:57] <Nagilum> I boot from the live cd
[19:58] <Nagilum> what would be the easiest way to make this work properly?
[19:59] <majuk> Get a video card that isn't a decade old? :D
[20:00] <Nagilum> I was more looking towards a solution that didn't involve a screwdriver
[20:01] <majuk> Well, when it happens, alt+f1, log into the console and check dmesg and /var/log/messages for clues
[20:02] <majuk> Could be a bad driver, unsupported resolution, any number of things.
[20:02] <Nagilum> yeah, I'm looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log right now
[20:38] <slow-motion> hi
[22:05] <evilbug> i have x64 9.04 installed on a 2,2 macbook pro and i would like some help on getting a dual monitor setup or at least having the option to disable the laptop monitor when i have another connected.
[22:06] <evilbug> i'm using the default ati driver.
[22:29] <slow-motion> n8


[21:17] <cores> i can't seem to switch to virtual consoles. i'm in an X session now and when i hit alt-Fx nothing changes except i can't do anything in X until i switch back to whatever X uses for console, something like alt-F1 or alt-F7
[21:17] <cores> have these been taken out of the default distro conf or is something not working right on this particular laptop?
[21:35] <jbicha> cores: that's a bug, I've seen that sometimes
[22:13] <cores> jbicha: are there any fixes to try?
[22:17] <cores> i see that my kernel command line has "vt.handoff=7"
[22:20] <jbicha> I guess you could start by filing the bug :)
[22:23] <cores> haha
[22:24] <cores> and i meant ctrl-alt-Fx, not just alt-Fx, just in case