[16:08] <ccm> LjL: ping
[18:20] <jpatrick> ccm: he may be away, may I help you?
[18:21] <ccm> jpatrick: nothing special, he dropped me a memo according integration #ubuntu-berlin as good as possible in the ubuntu irc channel infrastructure
[18:21] <ccm> i made some minor changes now (access rights, wiki update, alternate contact) and think that it looks good now
[18:22] <jpatrick> ccm: hmm, looks ok to me :)
[18:23] <ccm> jpatrick: fine
[18:24] <jpatrick> ccm: I'm sure he'll get back to you soon if something is missing :)
[18:45] <LjL> jpatrick: sounds menacing
[18:46] <LjL> ccm: thanks, it looks fine, feel free also to hang out here if you want
[18:47] <LjL> aside from the channel name which should in theory be #ubuntu-de-berlin i guess, but let's pass over that for now (and probably for quite some time)
[21:24] <jpatrick> LjL: just assuring him you'll be back :)


[04:31] <hikiko> hi
[06:22] <happyaron> FJKong: needs fixing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1588662
[06:23] <FJKong> not fix yet? happyaron
[06:24] <happyaron> FJKong: the translation suggested is not correct
[06:25] <FJKong> which one?
[06:26] <happyaron> My roll
[06:29] <seb128> hey happyaron FJKong
[06:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:29] <FJKong> seb128: hey seb
[06:30] <FJKong> what's My Roll stand for?
[06:30] <FJKong> happyaron:
[06:30] <happyaron> seb128: hey
[06:31] <happyaron> FJKong: look for "Camera Roll" in iOS
[06:35] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[06:35] <FJKong> I mean in Chinese My Roll means "我的胶卷" or "我的相机"？
[06:37] <seb128> salut pitti
[06:37] <seb128> wie gehts?
[06:40] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke! und Dir?
[06:40] <seb128> auch gut, danke!
[06:43] <ochosi> morning everyone!
[06:44] <didrocks> good morning guys!
[06:44] <ochosi> quick question, as i want to look into gtk3.20 theming issues (following up on Laney's email on the desktop ml) i was wondering whether the recommended way to get it in 16.04 was still the gnome3-staging ppa or whether you guys have your own 3.20 ppa
[06:45] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:45] <pitti> hey ochosi
[06:45] <ochosi> oh wow, silly me, just realized Laney mentioned it in the email (at first i thought that was only for the theme, but i realize now it's a lot more than that...)
[06:46] <didrocks> hey pitti ;)
[06:46] <pitti> seb128, Laney: "There are still issues with ubiquity and gnome-terminal left to resolve" (gtk-3.20 PPA); so is that safe to upgrade if I use g-t all day long?
[06:46] <ochosi> hmpf, ok, that's yakkety only. so my question did make *some*sense
[06:46] <seb128> hey ochosi
[06:46]  * pitti tries in a VM first, let's be careful
[06:47] <seb128> pitti, ochosi, I don't know for your questions, I'm still on xenial
[06:47] <ochosi> yeah, same here
[06:47] <seb128> and I've not played with/looked at gtk 3.20
[06:47] <ochosi> and again, same :) but i really think i should start to as you guys are pushing it for 16.10
[06:51] <seb128> yeah
[06:51] <seb128> talk to Laney when he's online
[06:51] <seb128> maybe he can copy those packages to xenial in the ppa
[06:51] <seb128> I see no reason next gtk wouldn't build fine on xenial
[06:52] <ochosi> yeah, i guess
[06:52] <ochosi> it's likely just untested
[06:52] <pitti> doesn't need anything from glib 2.49?
[06:55] <seb128> gtk 3.20 is glib 2.48
[06:55] <seb128> we follow current glib
[06:55] <seb128> and n-1 gtk
[07:02] <pitti> so multiple tabs in g-t look awful
[07:03] <pitti> and right-click popup menus in all apps have no border at all
[07:03] <ochosi> sounds like theming issues
[07:03] <pitti> nautilus isn't themed correctly
[07:04] <seb128> https://youtu.be/RTwQQVGC2kc?t=241
[07:04] <seb128> wth with this guy
[07:04] <pitti> but I'm not using g-t tabs and firefox works, so good enough for me :)
[07:04] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[07:04]  * pitti installs it on his laptop
[07:05] <pitti> oh, Martin Schulz
[07:05] <seb128> ^ farage trolling EU parliement
[07:05] <seb128> that guy is an idiot
[07:06] <pitti> not really trolling
[07:06] <pitti> he's saying "We want out, but pretty please keep all the benefits"
[07:07] <seb128> rrrriight
[07:07] <seb128> the trolling part was telling them "who is laughing now" or "none of you never had a proper job/did anything of your life"
[07:10] <pitti> yeah, ridiculous
[07:14] <pitti> I'd say that it's almost impossible to be in a parliament and *not* having had a "proper" job before
[07:15]  * pitti goes to water the garden for some "proper" work
[07:15] <seb128> enjoy!
[07:17] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[07:19] <chrisccoulson> we're embarrassed by nigel farage btw
[07:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey! I can imagine ... how are you otherwise?
[07:24] <seb128> going to grab something to eat, bbiab
[07:39] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson!
[07:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: every country has its buffoon now :) *cough* Gauland *cough*
[08:03] <Sweet5hark> g'morning desktoppers!
[08:03] <willcooke> hey Sweet5hark
[08:04] <Laney> morning!
[08:05] <ochosi> morning :)
[08:06] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark willcooke Laney
[08:06] <Laney> what's up
[08:06] <Laney> no I don't plan to backport all the packages but someone could do that if they want
[08:06] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:07] <ochosi> Laney: so i went ahead and tried your ambiance-gtk3.20 port, seems there are at least some small things still left to iron out (e.g. the menubar-items seem to jump around when you click them)
[08:07] <Laney> I'm aware
[08:07] <Laney> I said that there were bugs and please don't report them
[08:07] <seb128> do we have a pad or such with known issues?
[08:07] <Laney> You should get a head start on porting your theme
[08:08] <pitti> yeah, some bug/check list would still be useful I guess
[08:09] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, that was the reason why i looked into yours ;) i also looked at the patch provided by some guy in fedora for the xubuntu theme, but at first glance everything looks still fairly broken
[08:09] <ochosi> i presume you didn't use SASS?
[08:09] <Laney> https://trello.com/c/EXpA6lKW/8-look-into-gtk-3-20
[08:09] <Laney> No
[08:09] <ochosi> k
[08:10] <pitti> Laney: nautilus is completely mis-styled
[08:10] <ochosi> that'd be the way i would like to go (if i find the time) for better maintenance
[08:10] <pitti> Laney: the other issues I saw after 1 min are already on that list; thanks
[08:10] <Laney> What does completely mis-styled mean?
[08:10] <ochosi> Laney: anyway, good job! i know how much work / pain it is
[08:11] <Laney> It can be improved, but I think that "completely" is quite harsh
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: well, where do I begin -- it looks so completely broken, it's hard to enumerate it all; hang on, doing a VM and making a screenshot
[08:11] <Laney> ...
[08:11] <pitti> I guess not for you then :)
[08:12] <pitti> "insert health warning here", haha
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: oh, another one: "desktop background is black" (my VM has the default background, and it disappears after the upgrade)
[08:14] <Laney> yeah, that's weird, it seems to happen some time
[08:15] <Laney> doesn't on my desktop, but I saw it in a VM
[08:15] <Laney> hoping Trevinho will look at that for me
[08:16] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: http://picpaste.com/gtk320-cr5sDEmb.png
[08:17] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:17] <pitti> Laney: g-t, control-center etc. look reasonably correct, just nautilus is completely off
[08:17] <seb128> is that nautilus > 3.15?
[08:17] <pitti> whatever is in yakkety
[08:17] <Laney> not the one in the ppa?
[08:17] <pitti> 3.20.1
[08:17] <seb128> that's the ppa one
[08:17] <pitti> ... or the PPA, yes
[08:17] <seb128> and yeah, there is a reason we reverted to the old one in xenial
[08:17] <pitti> this is yakkety du jour + PPA du jour
[08:18] <pitti> "de l'heure" actually :)
[08:18] <seb128> :-)
[08:18] <Trevinho> Hi seb128, Laney and pitti!
[08:18] <Laney> what reason?
[08:18] <pitti> hey Trevinho!
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: de la minute même ? :)
[08:18] <Laney> nothing to do with themes, that's for sure
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: en effet !
[08:18] <seb128> Laney, no menubar and the patch is almost impossible to update
[08:18] <seb128> big icons
[08:18] <seb128> csd
[08:18] <didrocks> it's all Laney!!! you sent an email, everything will be your fault from now own :p
[08:19] <seb128> the copy dialog embedded
[08:19] <seb128> Laney, no, it doesn't have to do with theming
[08:19] <seb128> it's just that the new version is looking like Ubuntish and lacking some patches we can't easily update
[08:19] <Laney> didrocks: I should have mailed the flavours privately
[08:20] <Laney> pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/nautilus.png
[08:20] <pitti> Laney: ah, you are using the dark theme, might that be it?
[08:20] <Laney> Radiance isn't updated
[08:20] <Laney> the mail says that
[08:20] <pitti> Laney: ah yes, if I switch to Ambiance it looks like your's
[08:21] <Laney> cool
[08:21] <pitti> Laney: sorry, I actually forgot that Radiance isn't the default..
[08:21] <Laney> np
[08:21] <pitti> just odd that it seems to look reasonable for all non-nautilus stuff
[08:21] <Laney> surprised that other stuff looks good...
[08:23] <ochosi> Laney: so just copying the packages from your PPA straight to xenial wouldn't work?
[08:24] <pitti> what's wrong about doing this in y?
[08:25] <ochosi> not much, it's just that we have some dev PPAs set up with gtk3 ports of Xfce components and so far everybody was working on Xenial, so we have nothing for Yakkety yet
[08:25] <Laney> Maybe if you copy it to a different PPA
[08:25] <Laney> Go for it if you want
[08:25] <ochosi> Laney: if i just do that it complains about a missing release file
[08:25] <Laney> what does?
[08:25] <ochosi> apt does
[08:25] <pitti> that sounds like you want to add an apt source for xenial for a ppa that only has yakkety
[08:26] <ochosi> i copied the yakkety pkgs over to an empty PPA with target series xenial
[08:27] <Laney> probably didn't get built (yet) then
[08:27] <ochosi> i checked copy binaries without rebuild
[08:27] <pitti> that needs a publisher cycle, so might still take some 15 mins
[08:28] <ochosi> oh ok
[08:28] <ochosi> i'll try again then
[08:28] <ochosi> i guess i was mislead by the sync finishing so quickly
[08:29] <pitti> that only copies the packages in LP database's brain
[08:29] <pitti> the publisher then translates that to the usual apt repo indexes (/dists/...)
[08:29] <pitti> ochosi: but a binary copy isn't what you want anyway
[08:29] <ochosi> hmm, good to know. i guess some status message/hint about that would be cool :)
[08:30] <ochosi> oh
[08:30] <pitti> ochosi: then you might just as well add the PPA source with "yakkety" directly
[08:30] <pitti> i. e. if the y debs work on xenial, just use them, otherwise you have to rebuild them anyway
[08:31] <ochosi> true, i guess i'll test them directly first
[08:31] <ochosi> well that was only a convenience thing, so testers could straight add that PPA for xenial
[09:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, I'm not too bad thanks. And you? :)
[09:01] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> pitti, heh. We seem to elect a disproportionate amount of buffoons (eg, boris johnson) :)
[09:06] <Laney> chrisccoulson: I emailed Chris Leslie to ask why the only time you ever hear from him is when he's bashing his party's leader and he sent a rant back in reply :)
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> haha
[09:08] <andyrock> good morning
[09:09] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> morning andyrock
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, who is Chris Leslie?
[09:09] <Laney> my MP
[09:09] <seb128> ah ok
[09:09] <Laney> aka tedious basher of Corbyn
[09:09] <seb128> you got a reply on topic or a random thanks for your email?
[09:10] <Laney> it was on topic
[09:10] <seb128> nice
[09:10] <Laney> not that he cares very much about the opinion of someone who didn't vote for him :P
[09:10] <seb128> lol
[09:10] <seb128> he doesn't know that :p
[09:10] <pitti> but he.. that
[09:10] <Laney> errrrrm
[09:11] <Laney> :)
[09:11] <pitti> or did you start with "I hate you, but please do this for me" :)
[09:11] <Laney> I said something about how I might have been persuaded over to his party, but blah blah blah
[09:12] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000865 <- very safe seat, he can afford to not care
[09:28] <Trevinho> Laney: can you please ack https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1608 ?
[09:30] <Laney> ok
[09:31] <Sweet5hark> Laney: I assume the Tory candidate in the constiturncy is ranting even more aganst their leadership?
[09:32] <seb128> Trevinho, we should get going with doing a u-s-d SRU if we don't want to miss LTS .1
[09:32] <Laney> Sweet5hark: Thankfully they tend to go quiet between the elections :)
[09:32] <Trevinho> seb128: yep
[09:32] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm in that too
[09:33] <Trevinho> seb128: also for gtk one... The one that fixes the menu
[09:34] <Trevinho> seb128: did you upload it?
[09:34] <seb128> no
[09:34] <seb128> the one where I said Laney might help while I was in Boston?
[09:34] <seb128> I though maybe you would sort it out
[09:34] <seb128> I guess I can have a look this afternoon
[09:34] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[09:37] <Trevinho> it would be nice to have also the transfer dialog fix in
[09:37] <seb128> is that fixed in yakkety?
[09:38] <Trevinho> not yet, he's finishing that
[09:38] <seb128> k
[09:38] <seb128> also the lock screen ones
[09:38] <seb128> I guess we can do an SRU next week
[09:41] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I'm preparing the branch in the meantime
[09:55] <Trevinho> Laney: the thing of the black nautilus bg i something I always experienced in VMs though... Especially when resizing the guest window. Then once restarted nautilus things worked
[09:56] <Trevinho> I think that was fixed when I moved nautilus to use upstart to launch though, for some weird reason
[09:58] <hikiko> Trevinho, I have some branches that change a little scale, expo and u7 (I fix a performance issue in u7 and add some options to skip slow effects in scale expo), should I make 1 MP for all changes or you prefer separate ones?
[09:59] <Trevinho> hikiko: it depends how big it is, it can be one if you split things in different commits
[09:59] <hikiko> ok
[09:59] <Trevinho> hikiko: if you can have that ready quickly I can add this to the next landing and SRU it if needed
[09:59] <hikiko> Trevinho, how quickly?
[09:59] <Trevinho> like in two days?
[10:00] <willcooke> Trevinho, I'd like to talk to you about that, just off to do an interview now, will email soon.  Want to see what we can get in to .1
[10:00] <willcooke> gotta go
[10:00] <willcooke> more later
[10:00] <Trevinho> ok
[10:02] <Laney> Trevinho: Not fixed by restarting any more
[10:04] <hikiko> Trevinho, yes, that's feasible, I'll have it tomorrow :)
[10:07] <Trevinho> Laney: ah... Weird that it does to me... mhmh
[10:12] <Laney> Trevinho: This changed with 3.20 it seems
[10:12] <Laney> using qemu + kvm btw
[10:13] <Trevinho> I see... I can't just reproduce it though, I only have it when I resize the guest window on runtime or when lightdm has been launched
[10:13] <Trevinho> this is with VMware instead
[10:19] <muktupavels> Trevinho, Laney: maybe related to black background - https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?h=gnome-3-20&id=8c0f5970e71a9b6c786e3e14785f2691c731cd38
[10:19] <muktupavels> if that happens with Ambiance and not with Adwaita...
[10:19] <Laney> muktupavels: We have that one :(
[10:19] <Laney> without that it *never* worked
[10:19] <Laney> now there's some kind of race condition
[10:20] <muktupavels> what is ppa for gtk 3.20 and theme changes? I am  downloading yakkety iso now.
[10:20] <Laney> ubuntu-desktop/gtk320
[10:21] <Laney> i'm just doing some tweaks for gnome-terminal atm
[10:51] <popey> just upgraded a machine from 15.10 to 16.04, it appears to have disabled all compiz plugins including unity
[10:51] <popey> i managed to get ccsm working via tty0 and enabled unity, and it re-enables a bunch of others it needed
[10:51] <ochosi> Laney: hmm so i guess your gtk3.20 would work in xenial, however, the libmirclient and libwayland-client0 pkgs are too old (even if i don't need any of them ofc)
[10:51] <popey> is there some way to reset the unity config completely
[10:52] <Laney> ochosi: those are configure flags, you can disable them
[11:06] <popey> fixed via http://askubuntu.com/questions/423725/ubuntu-12-04-32bit-cant-login
[11:09] <czajkowski> popey: willcooke thank you :)
[11:10] <czajkowski> turns oout when I break things, I break them in a fantastic way!
[11:10] <popey> \o/
[11:11] <czajkowski> at least you wer here, if not A) I wouldn't have upgraded B) when it all went so very wrong, you were here to fix it :)
[11:11] <czajkowski> mental note only do upgrades when popey is on standby!
[11:12]  * popey puts his cape on
[11:33] <seb128> ochosi, you better copy src and rebuild binaries
[11:59] <ochosi> seb128: yeah, i'll look into that later today hopefully
[14:03] <seb128> willcooke, http://paste.ubuntu.com/18099974/ that seems to give me a working gedit310
[14:03] <willcooke> seb128, reading
[14:13] <willcooke> popey, czajkowski (cc: seb128, davmor2) -  I've just done a test upgrade of a vanilla 15.10 -> 16.04 and it worked fine.  So I don't think this is a global issue with upgrades.  Thanks for the info though.  desktoppe
[14:13] <willcooke> oops
[14:14] <willcooke> Let's all keep an eye out for upgrade problem reports though
[14:14] <popey> well, czajkowski went 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10 -> 16.04, lemme know when you've tested that :)
[14:15] <seb128> willcooke, was there an issue reported?
[14:15] <willcooke> should make any difference
[14:15] <willcooke> seb128, there was not
[14:15] <ochosi> why not directly 14.04 -> 16.04? isn't that the preferred upgrade path?
[14:16] <davmor2> ochosi: because people like to use the latest releases and not stay on lts
[14:16] <davmor2> ochosi: popey means she did it over the 2 years not in one hit
[14:16] <ochosi> oh
[14:16] <seb128> popey, I did all the steps from 12.04 to 16.04 on the machine I'm currently using, does that count? ;-)
[14:17] <seb128> that includes the sequence you listed at leaast
[14:17] <popey> ochosi: because the user was on 15.10
[14:17] <seb128> still unsure what we are discussing
[14:18] <seb128> is there any real issue/bug somebody hit?
[14:18] <popey> not sure if it's a bug or not.
[14:18] <seb128> ah, I see backlog
[14:18] <popey> user upgraded from 15.10 to 16.04, unity crashed during the upgrade, and on restart, unity plugin was disabled.
[14:18] <seb128> it's an old compiz known issue
[14:19] <seb128> compiz unloads plugins from its config on error
[14:19] <popey> I'd imagine that's fun for someone who doesn't have an ubuntu ""expert"" in their house.
[14:20] <seb128> "reinstall"
[14:20] <seb128> but yeah...
[14:24] <willcooke> seb128, for gedit310 which version of snapcraft are you using?
[14:25] <seb128> willcooke, 2.11
[14:25] <seb128> why?
[14:25] <seb128> do you get some error?
[14:25] <willcooke> yeah I get that Settings schema 'org.gnome.gedit.preferences.editor' is not installed error again
[14:25] <willcooke> retrying the build with a clean env
[14:26] <seb128> do yo get any error when you start the gedit310 command?
[14:26] <seb128> can you pastebin the stdout log
[14:26] <willcooke> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/18101216/
[14:27] <seb128> willcooke, try to gtk-launch gedit
[14:27] <seb128> hum
[14:28] <seb128> in fact the first run should export the env
[14:28] <Trevinho> seb128: in the sru silo, I'm adding also the USD changes, or you manage those by yourself?
[14:28] <seb128> willcooke, did you push your current snapcraft yaml?
[14:28] <willcooke> seb128, sec
[14:28] <seb128> Trevinho, feel free to add the ones you have in mind, can you give me the list though to see if I wanted some more?
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: I've no a list yet, I'll figure it in a bit
[14:29] <seb128> k, let me know when you have one
[14:29] <Trevinho> seb128: I'll do a team branch though, so feel free to contribute
[14:29] <seb128> k
[14:31] <willcooke> seb128, pushed https://github.com/8none1/gedit310
[14:32] <seb128> willcooke, hum, snap list ... do you have several gedit ones?
[14:33] <seb128> I would recommend to remove it (several times if needed) and snapcraft clean & snapcraft
[14:33] <willcooke> rebuilt and now it works
[14:33] <seb128> if that's still an error let me know I can help debugging
[14:33] <seb128> k
[14:33] <seb128> good
[14:33] <willcooke> I always uninstall
[14:33] <seb128> dunno what was wrong then
[14:33] <seb128> some leftover part I guess
[14:33] <willcooke> is it me, or just it look a bit big, like fonts and buttons all look massive
[14:34] <seb128> looks fine to me
[14:34] <willcooke> seb128, and settings are not preserved - is that expected?
[14:34] <seb128> yes
[14:38] <willcooke> seb128, does it look right to you here?  http://imgur.com/D0DJXhh
[14:38] <willcooke> actually, try this: http://i.imgur.com/D0DJXhh.jpg
[14:38] <seb128> yes
[14:38] <willcooke> fonts in the text menus looks a bit squished
[14:39] <willcooke> meh
[14:39] <willcooke> :)
[14:39] <alexarnaud> Hello all :) !
[14:39] <willcooke> thanks a lot seb128
[14:39] <seb128> willcooke, yw
[14:39] <seb128> willcooke, weird that you don't have menu exported
[14:39] <willcooke> I have inline menus turned on
[14:39] <seb128> oh
[14:40] <willcooke> or whatever its called "Menus in the title bar always displayed"
[14:40] <seb128> well still you get a menubar in the gedit win there
[14:40] <willcooke> ohh
[14:40] <willcooke> oh yeah
[14:41] <seb128> I staged unity-gtk3-module in my try earlier
[14:41] <seb128> but didrocks' gtk3 part is supposed to pull it in I though so I removed it
[14:42] <seb128> maybe you need to add it back to the snapcraft.yaml if that's not working
[14:42] <willcooke> worth a try
[14:42] <willcooke> I think I need 2.12 for d_idrocks love
[14:42] <seb128> could be
[14:43] <seb128> you machine seems to be good
[14:43] <seb128> your*
[14:43] <seb128> like you seem able to iterate easily, which is nice ;-)
[14:43] <seb128> mine is a bit slower to build I think
[14:43] <seb128> needs to use that laptop refresh!
[14:43] <willcooke> :)
[14:44] <willcooke> this is a fairly low spec i3 I think
[14:44] <willcooke> but it's had an easy life
[14:44] <willcooke> couple of spreadsheets and thats it
[14:47] <willcooke> nah, still getting a menu bar
[14:47] <willcooke> meh
[14:53] <seb128> can you remove it
[14:53] <seb128> reinstall
[14:53] <seb128> start and pastebin the initial start stdout log?
[14:54] <willcooke> rebuilding atm
[15:02] <willcooke> seb128, and now it works
[15:02] <willcooke> seb128, seems like snapcraft clean is not doing what I think it does
[15:02] <seb128> do you use it like that without argument?
[15:02] <willcooke> yeah
[15:02] <seb128> it should wipe out everything when you do that
[15:02] <seb128> like ls in the dir should show only the yaml
[15:03] <willcooke> yeah, that doesnt seem to work then
[15:03] <seb128> well and the .snap
[15:03] <seb128> weird
[15:03] <willcooke> when I manually delete stage, etc
[15:03] <seb128> ah
[15:03] <willcooke> then it works
[15:03] <seb128> weird
[15:04] <willcooke> I wonder what happens if I confine it
[15:24] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, we need to SRU that gnome-menus fix for the missing applications in dash fix? (just saw a sru vcs email for the unity fix)
[15:26] <seb128> andyrock, can you make https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1574693 SRU compliant? impact/testcase/regression potential?
[15:26] <Trevinho> seb128: andyrock was waiting for a review IIRC
[15:27] <Trevinho> libunity side is fine
[15:27] <seb128> Trevinho, gnome-menus you mean?
[15:27] <Trevinho> yeah
[15:27] <seb128> Trevinho, d_esrt gave the +1 and I uploaded to yakkety
[15:27] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock said that if libunity landed without gnome-menus so weird thing would happen iirc
[15:27] <Trevinho> ah
[15:28] <Trevinho> mh, let's wait him to comment then
[15:28] <Trevinho> seb128: well..... actually in yakkety we've that situation
[15:28] <seb128> Trevinho, what situation?
[15:28]  * Trevinho doesn't notice anything wierd
[15:28] <Trevinho> libunity is in, gnome-menus no
[15:29] <seb128> Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/3.13.3-6ubuntu4
[15:29] <seb128> wdym?
[15:29] <Trevinho> ah... I thought it wasn't ACKed that... Then ok
[15:29] <Trevinho> we need that change too
[15:29] <seb128> yeah, what I wrote just before
 Trevinho, d_esrt gave the +1 and I uploaded to yakkety
[15:29]  * Trevinho missed the line :)
[15:29] <seb128> want me to do the SRU?
[15:30] <seb128> I can do it now
[15:30] <Trevinho> seb128: yes thanks
[15:30] <seb128> I'm doing some other one
[15:30] <seb128> just uploaded the gtk one
[15:30] <Trevinho> nice
[15:30] <seb128> to yakkety and xenial
[15:30] <seb128> willcooke, got update-notifier uploaded as well
[15:30] <willcooke> seb128, \m/ thanks
[15:31] <seb128> yw!
[15:35] <seb128> andyrock, can you make https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1506744 SRU compliant as well?
[15:54] <Trevinho> seb128: I'd go with these https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-settings-daemon-team/unity-settings-daemon/x-sru2/+merge/298668
[16:06] <seb128> Trevinho, looks good to me, though the screensaver ones seems a bit more complex/difficult to test so I wonder if I should just delay those to the next round... wdyt?
[16:07] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, you might want to revert r4141, I don't think the behaviour change is going to be fine with the SRU team without arguing
[16:08] <Trevinho> seb128: ah... Mh, ok... Well I don't think they would argue.. But ok
[16:08] <seb128> I think they would and they should
[16:08] <seb128> it's a feature/behaviour change
[16:08] <seb128> we avoid those in the lts
[16:08] <Trevinho> seb128: as for the screeensavero ones, they're pretty tested as it all upstream code, but if you want do that in two stages...
[16:08] <seb128> your laptop making sound when it used to be quiet might annoy users
[16:08] <Trevinho> ok
[16:08] <seb128> Trevinho, your call for the screensaver ones
[16:09] <Trevinho> I've that usd running here for weeks with no troubles... So I'd go for adding it
[16:09] <seb128> it's tested upstream but the backport is a different codebase, we might miss followup changes or such
[16:09] <seb128> k
[16:09] <seb128> we are going to test the SRU anyway
[16:09] <seb128> so should be good :-)
[16:09] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for working on that!
[16:11] <Trevinho> np
[16:17] <Trevinho> seb128: usd branch updated
[16:25] <Trevinho> seb128: fyi I wrote this for cherry-picking, https://gist.github.com/3v1n0/63ea0c9f08d10bee9e50 it might be useful. Although is far from being clean :)
[16:26] <seb128> it's not trivial ;-)
[16:42] <andyrock> seb128: hey sorry i was biking
[16:43] <seb128> andyrock, no worry, I hope you enjoyed it :-) is the weather nice in Italy?
[16:44] <andyrock> seb128: perfect for biking
[16:44] <andyrock> :D
[16:44] <seb128> great!
[16:44]  * Trevinho would sweat too much
[17:02] <Laney> meow
[17:02] <Laney> time to go give blood
[17:02] <Laney> laters!
[17:15] <Trevinho> Laney: for your country?


[13:51] <cmaloney> morning
[13:51] <Scary_Guy> Morning
[14:26] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[15:30] <Scary_Guy> Slow, and overcast
[15:30] <Scary_Guy> Very enjoyable
[15:30] <Scary_Guy> Coudl be warmer though


[15:03] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[15:03] <tumbleweed> I don't think we have anything to discuss?
[15:04] <Laney> hi
[15:04] <Laney> don't think so
[16:48] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:48] <tyhicks> hello
[16:48] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 23 16:49:05 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:48] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:48] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:49] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:49] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:49] <jdstrand> I'm on community this week
[16:50] <jdstrand> over the past couple weeks I've been going through all the policy groups, finding the SDK APIs and writing policy for them. they should all be written now, except sensors
[16:50] <jdstrand> sensors is blocked because apps that use the recommended api crash. I filed a bug on that
[16:50] <jdstrand> there is also some discussions that need to happen around friends
[16:51] <jdstrand> so I'll do that this week
[16:51] <jdstrand> I have a couple of smallish work items as well
[16:51] <jdstrand> and need to followup on various appstore reivews topics/tests
[16:51] <jdstrand> following up on application-confinement bugs and adjusting policy as they are fixed
[16:52] <jdstrand> I'm hoping I will get to some pending updates this week
[16:52] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:52] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:52] <mdeslaur> I'm currently testing a couple of updates which I'll release either this afternoon or tomorrow
[16:52] <mdeslaur> I have a few more to test this week, and then will continue going down the list
[16:53] <mdeslaur> I also have an improvement to do for the upstart apparmor stanza to simplify upstart jobs for confined applications
[16:53] <mdeslaur> It's a trivial change, I should be testing it this afternoon and uploading it soon
[16:53] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[16:53] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:54] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: please don't upload without discussing in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[16:54] <mdeslaur> #ubuntu-ci-eng?
[16:54] <jdstrand> yes-- the Landings discussion on ue-leads
[16:55] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor again this week, focused on testing improvements and trying to get things off of jjohansen's plate.
[16:55] <jdstrand> everything is supposed to go through the landings team
[16:55]  * sbeattie pauses
[16:55] <mdeslaur> oh, huh
[16:56] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: we can discuss outside of the meeting if needed
[16:56] <jdstrand> sbeattie: feel free to go ahead (though I will ask what specific things you are hoping to take off of jj's plate this week)
[16:57]  * sbeattie resumes
[16:57] <sbeattie> I'm specifically focusing on ipc tests, and log parsing messages around ipc
[16:57] <sbeattie> as well as picking up other random bits that come up.
[16:58] <sbeattie> I'm hoping to sync up with tyhicks on the state of the c++-ification patches, so that we can finish landing them this week
[16:58] <sbeattie> and that's pretty much it for me.
[16:59] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:59] <tyhicks> I've been catching up on last week's email that came in while I was at Plumbers/LSS
[16:59] <tyhicks> As sbeattie mentioned, I still need to go through the apparmor list and the review/commit the latest C++ patches
[16:59] <tyhicks> My focus for the first part of this week will be apparmor/dbus bug squashing (bugs 1226141, 1226356, and 1229280)
[17:00] <tyhicks> Then I'll either pick up some IPC work or look into kdbus, depending on which is deemed higher priority
[17:00] <tyhicks> JJ and I talked to gregkh about kdbus last week
[17:00] <tyhicks> I need to look into it very soon to make sure we can continue mediating messages the same way we are doing with dbus-daemon today
[17:00] <tyhicks> In the current kdbus patches, it sounds like the kernel may be lacking some context (path, interface, method) that we need
[17:00] <tyhicks> Also, we talked with SELinux and Smack folks that have an interest in working together to make sure the appropriate LSM hooks are in place
[17:01] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[17:01] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: I think you're up since jj and seth are out
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm still working on implementing automated test cases for oxide
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> i've been finding quite a few bugs as i add them :)
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> particularly because we restart all of the chromium bits inbetween each test, without restarting the test binary
[17:02] <jdstrand> tyhicks: re "correct LSM hooks are in place" you were again referring to kdbus?
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> i'm currently debugging a crash because of that
[17:02] <tyhicks> jdstrand: correct
[17:03] <tyhicks> (right now, LSM hooks are not present in kdbus)
[17:03] <jdstrand> eek
[17:04] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: nice :)
[17:04] <tyhicks> but we're jumping in early enough to handle that
[17:04] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: did I mention that people will hopefully start contacting you to help you soonish?
[17:04] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, no, but that's good :)
[17:04] <jdstrand> yes :)
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm hoping i'll have got test coverage for all of the current API by then, and then there will be no excuses for people not to write tests :)
[17:05] <jdstrand> it came up in the webapps confinement discussion. I think they said the end of this month-- but it might be after release-- few weeks anyway :)
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it should all be in pretty good shape by then
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> has anybody else tried building it yet?
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> (i still need to write some instructions actually)
[17:06]  * jdstrand nods
[17:07] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: did you have anything else to report?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, no, i think that's it from me
[17:07] <jdstrand> thanks
[17:07] <jdstrand> jj and seth are out today
[17:07] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:07] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:07] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:07] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libspring-java.html
[17:08] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/socat.html
[17:08] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/glusterfs.html
[17:08] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gallery2.html
[17:08] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pktstat.html
[17:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:08] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:22] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:22] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 23 17:23:05 2013 UTC.
[17:22] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-23-16.49.moin.txt
[17:22] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-23-16.49.html
[17:22] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:23] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!