[00:00] <dobey> RobbyF: it hasn't been supported for about a year, so if flashing with ubuntu-device-flash on the stable channel doesn't work, then it's likely long since been deleted from the server
[00:00] <dobey> oh, looks like there is an image in the 'trusty' channel though
[00:00] <RobbyF> mind if you can link it?
[00:01] <dobey> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/trusty --device maguro
[00:01] <dobey> but it's totally unsupported and probably won't work
[00:02]  * bschaefer reads
[00:02] <bschaefer> kgunn, what am i working on :)?
[00:02] <RobbyF> terget device cannot be reached over adb
[00:03] <bschaefer> oo sdl, zapa_ yeah SDL2 works on touch (as well as 1.2 with software rendering only)
[00:03] <zapa_> agh neat. Thought it didn't so I stripped the SDL host from the build
[00:03] <zapa_> gonna add it back and see tomorrow
[00:10] <RobbyF> builds are based on android 4.2.2 still right
[00:12] <Pensee> ogra_ thanks for the link (pseudo store)
[00:22] <RobbyF> thanks dobey, appears to be going at this point
[00:39] <koding123> so what is the point/pros/benefit of using Ubuntu Make( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make ) instead of a package specific PPA? http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/ubuntu-make
[01:02] <lazyPower> koding123: i think the idea behind ubuntu make is to track bleeding edge upstream tools vs relying on a package archive. removing the packaging barrier for contributions.
[01:04] <koding123> so is it a official tool? considering its in https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make ? (by official I meant meant reliable compared to 3rd party PPAs)\
[01:05] <koding123> lazyPower, ^
[01:05] <lazyPower> we've got canonical staffers working on curating the project but there's quite a bit of community contribution as well
[01:08] <lazyPower> so in short, yeah its an officially supported method to get moving
[01:12] <koding123> lazyPower, thanks, so packages downloaded through ubuntu-make don't add a repository entry in sources? as it seems like the apps use their own update system and not the system update.
[01:17] <koding123> lazyPower, actually the point behind that question is is the ubuntu-make method preferred over a PPA officially?
[01:20] <lazyPower> ah, that i cannot answer. i think thats personal preference at any rate
[01:21] <lazyPower> if you want to track bleeding edge vs wait for a package for sanitary install/removal
[01:24] <koding123> lazyPower, ok thanks.
[01:26] <koding123> lazyPower, you cleared a lot of doubts, thanks, good to know its officially supported/being developed by ubuntu/canonical developers as well.
[02:10] <lazyPower> hmm
[02:10] <lazyPower> i appear to be missing all kinds of fun things like the today scope, et-al on my flashed ubuntu-phone image
[02:16] <koding123> still waiting for Ubuntu Phone...
[02:18] <koding123> considering Sailfish OS, Tizen and Firefox OS phone are already released, can't wait to get a Ubuntu Phone :)
[02:20] <lazyPower> i fetched a nexus 4 to flash and track devel
[02:31] <koding123> :( Nexus 4 is not sold anymore I think
[02:32] <koding123> Ubuntu Edge could have the great :(
[02:34] <koding123> *been
[02:49] <lazyPower> you can still get used nexus 4's dirt cheap
[02:49] <lazyPower> i picked mine up for $120 - bought paid for and shipped. If you're outside of the US i'm not sure how difficult it would be to get one but i dont imagine that difficult
[02:51] <uhhimhere> im from nigeria and once my uncle who was an ancestral king passes down his inheritance to me i will be able to buy google's nexus 4
[02:51] <uhhimhere> but in order to do so i will need someone in europe/america to help me with funds transfer as he doesnt trust the local banking system
[02:52] <uhhimhere> XD
[02:53] <lazyPower> uhhimhere: have a cookie
[02:53] <koding123> ...
[02:54] <koding123> weird
[05:12] <uhhimhere> so anybody know what dalvik turbo is and how you use it?
[06:01] <bojan> Is there any phone with ubuntu in india??
[06:30] <zet> just flashed my 9300, the wifi doesn't work
[07:06] <svij> someone asked yesterday about my interview with cristian parrino, he talked about future plans like a third manufacturer and the launch for the us market → https://plus.google.com/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/a6DVeymacpq
[07:50] <robertopero> Hi all! I would like to buy the bq phone today. I store my contact in my google account, so I can sync it to the Ubuntu phone without problem, but what's about with the SMS? Can I copy it somehow to the device. I use Android 4.4 now.
[07:57] <Scooty-loo> doesn't sound like it
[07:57] <Scooty-loo> but I don't actually know
[07:58] <Scooty-loo> I think you can put messages onto sim on android, but I don't know whether ubuntu touch can read that
[08:00] <robertopero> Hmm... It's intresting. Thanks. If anbody has an idea just tell it :)
[08:00] <Scooty-loo> to put message onto sim on android press and hold that thread and see if there
[08:00]  * popey looks at the time
[08:00] <Scooty-loo> there's the option to copy to sim
[08:00] <Scooty-loo> now is the time
[08:02] <Scooty-loo> PURCHASE BUTTON IS THERE!
[08:02] <popey> :)
[08:02] <antoniut> yep :)
[08:02]  * popey is at the "process order" stage
[08:04]  * Mirv found Purchase but doesn't find how to continue from http://ubuntu.bq.com/
[08:04] <Mirv> not that they'd ship to Finland apparently anyway :(
[08:05] <Mirv> so when from the play part I click "Skip", I get to that page
[08:05] <Scooty-loo> "You will receive your new device and the cover in March."
[08:05] <robertopero> The page doesn't work already :)
[08:05] <popey> it is grinding slowly
[08:05] <robertopero> Scooty-loo: Yeah, I read the too, but why March?
[08:05] <Scooty-loo> delivered in March
[08:06] <Mirv> but should there be something to click from that URL to actually buy it?
[08:06] <Scooty-loo> sounds like I can just wait then, why the rush
[08:06] <popey> the shipping method seems broken
[08:06] <Mirv> for me it looks like there'd be a bit too much white space. can someone paste a screenshot of http://ubuntu.bq.com/ where there is some sort of button like "Continue", "Buy", "Add to basket" or anything?
[08:07] <Pensee> damn try to buy now, delivery in March -> no way
[08:07] <Scooty-loo> yea, what a bummer
[08:07] <robertopero> Mirv: Sometimes I see a Purchase button...
[08:07] <Pensee> going abraod 24/2 for 2 months
[08:07] <Mirv> robertopero: I saw purchase on the previous page
[08:07] <robertopero> Mirv: I saw it in the second page too
[08:08] <Scooty-loo> http://ubuntu.bq.com/
[08:08] <robertopero> but after I clicked on it it disappered
[08:08] <popey> yeah, i had it in my basket then it broke
[08:08] <Scooty-loo> looks like they use a second server for the flood
[08:08] <Mirv> this is what I have http://imgur.com/cFb0LIU
[08:08] <Mirv> all the info, nothing to click
[08:08] <popey> same
[08:08] <Scooty-loo> yup
[08:08] <Scooty-loo> same here
[08:09] <Mirv> ok
[08:09] <Scooty-loo> but not planning to buy anymore as the delivery is 3 weeks ahead
[08:09] <robertopero> same here now
[08:09] <sturmflut-work> WTF? I have to wait three weeks until my E4.5 is delivered?
[08:09] <robertopero> but the first time I saw the button, but then ...
[08:09] <popey> ooh, now it works
[08:09] <popey> then 502 on the checkout...
[08:10] <Mirv> ha, Add to Cart now!
[08:10] <Scooty-loo> it saids "You will receive your new device and the cover in March."
[08:10] <Neo31> yo guys
[08:10] <Mirv> 502, yes
[08:10] <Neo31> i need the bq
[08:11] <popey> ok, once you get 502
[08:11] <Neo31> i see first purchase button but when i get inside the page and i try to buy it i don't see the button anymore
[08:11] <popey> you can refresh
[08:11] <popey> and eventually it moves on
[08:11] <popey> but the "shipping method" is broken, so you can't actually place the order
[08:11]  * Mirv on checkout page
[08:11] <robertopero> http://i.imgur.com/W9FxOnc.png?1
[08:11] <robertopero> but the error 502
[08:12] <robertopero> then
[08:12] <sturmflut-work> I'm out, this is stupid.
[08:13] <hich-em> Neo31, where is my phone
[08:13] <hich-em> OMG
[08:13] <Neo31> robertopero, how did u get that ?
[08:13]  * Mirv finds his country not on the list -> sad
[08:14] <robertopero> Neo31: Need to refresh the page and sometimes you have the button
[08:14] <sturmflut-work> You can order a Nexus 4 off of eBay, or a Bq Aquaris E4.5 with Android and wait for the Ubuntu images, in both cases you will get a working Ubuntu phone before Bq delivers the E4.5 Ubuntu Edition
[08:14] <robertopero> Neo31: but then error 502
[08:14] <Neo31> shit
[08:14]  * Neo31 is sad
[08:14] <hich-em> hahah
[08:14] <hich-em> OMG
[08:14] <popey> the flash sale runs till 17:00 UTC...
[08:15] <Neo31> hich-em, we should talk here so i can keep track
[08:15] <hich-em> hahah
[08:15] <Neo31> that's confirmed popey ?
[08:15] <popey> yes, 08:00 to 17:00 today
[08:15] <popey> (UTC)
[08:15] <Scooty-loo> the march deliver time kills the kittens
[08:15] <Neo31> hich-em, if popey is correct your boss should be able to get u one (if the site is gonna work of course)
[08:15] <hich-em> http://ubuntu.bq.com/fr/checkout/cart/add/uenc/aHR0cDovL3VidW50dS5icS5jb20vZnIvc21hcnRwaG9uZXMvdWJ1bnR1/product/1075/form_key/XFO30YUyJZ4WuSl7/
[08:15] <Scooty-loo> was going to ask a friend in gb to receive the package for me
[08:16] <Scooty-loo> now plan canceled *shrug*
[08:16] <robertopero> sturmflut-work: Yes, but who is know when the firmware uploaded? And I want a cover too, and now it is for free :D
[08:16] <hich-em> 502 Bad Gateway
[08:17] <skerit> 502 errors. Well, I guess lots of people are trying to buy one, then. That's a good thing, right?
[08:17] <hich-em> Neo31, chnya el 7al
[08:17] <Neo31> should we start inspecting html and shit ?
[08:17] <Neo31> lol
[08:17] <Scooty-loo> personally don't like flip covers
[08:17] <popey> skerit: that's my perspective too
[08:17] <Neo31> or just hack the website lol
[08:17]  * Mirv makes it official https://twitter.com/timojyrinki/status/565424353521983488
[08:17] <skerit> I just hope some people are able to actually finish the transaction, popey :)
[08:18] <Neo31> Mirv, what r u making official? site is still broken
[08:18] <Neo31> from what i see no one got to finish the order process yet!
[08:18] <Mirv> Neo31: I'm making official that it's sad they don't/wouldn't ship to Finland
[08:18] <Mirv> even if the site would work
[08:18] <Neo31> ah ok
[08:18] <Neo31> do they ship to france Mirv ?
[08:19] <Neo31> hich-em, no idea
[08:19] <Neo31> we keep trying that's it and hangout here to see if someone gets lucky
[08:19] <Mirv> Neo31: yes
[08:19] <Mirv> I've the Process order page open where it lists the countries
[08:19] <Scooty-loo> at least you did not bad gateway
[08:19] <Pensee> for france it's on shipping list, but not from order page
[08:20] <Scooty-loo> find a friend from the aviliable country to receive for you I guess
[08:20] <Scooty-loo> countries*
[08:20] <Neo31> didn't get there yet Mirv
[08:20] <Neo31> how did u do to get ther ?
[08:21] <Neo31> i even tried playing the whole game and scoring on all the steps
[08:21] <Neo31> didn't work either
[08:23] <Mirv> Neo31: refreshing enough, of course skipping the game and then waiting that the Add to cart shows on the next page
[08:23] <Mirv> https://twitter.com/timojyrinki/status/565425808664457216 <- countries they ship to, feel free to retweet
[08:23] <Neo31> thx Mirv
[08:24] <Neo31> i'll keep refreshing
[08:24] <Neo31> or maybe it is fr website that's broken, what language r u using Mirv ?
[08:24] <skerit> Ugh, they even have an ajax script to check valid e-mail addresses. What a bad idea.
[08:24] <hich-em> it works
[08:24] <hich-em> http://ubuntu.bq.com/fr/checkout/cart/
[08:24] <hich-em> yes
[08:25] <Neo31> hich-em, i don't have add to cart button yet
[08:25] <hich-em> try
[08:25] <hich-em> his
[08:25] <hich-em> this
[08:25] <Mirv> Neo31: I was using English, but I didn't have the Add to Cart (see http://i.imgur.com/W9FxOnc.png?1 ) for a long time. I've no idea why it then suddenly showed up. Clicking it I got 502 error, but I kept on refreshing that 502 error page too so finally it loaded
[08:25] <hich-em> http://ubuntu.bq.com/fr/checkout/cart/
[08:25] <popey> Patience is working out for me.
[08:25] <Mirv> patience, patience
[08:25] <popey> Load page, wait... wait some more.
[08:26] <Neo31> hich-em, that's ur cart not mine
[08:26]  * Neo31 isn't that patient, gotta get back to work
[08:28] <Mirv> ahhh! support is answering, Finland is coming soon!
[08:28] <Neo31> There has been an error processing your request
[08:28] <Neo31> i got to add my name and email to what seems an error tracking system
[08:29] <Mirv> unless the support guy misunderstood and he's just telling that it's possibly to order soon
[08:29] <popey> "We are currently experiencing some technical issues. We apologize for the inconvenience and will contact you shortly to resolve the issue. To help us serve you please fill in the form below."
[08:29] <antoniut> yep ... I also get the same message
[08:30] <robertopero> me too
[08:30] <Scooty-loo> site is friendly ddosed by a porpotion of people getting dissapointed by the deliver date
[08:30] <Neo31> aparently everyone got to the support thing
[08:30] <Neo31> same here
[08:30] <Neo31> looool Scooty-loo i guess that's what happened
[08:31] <popey> Scooty-loo: I wouldn't assume the deliver date is as important to others as it is to you.
[08:31] <Scooty-loo> and another porpotion did get into the puchase page but then 502 gateway, some get error message email
[08:31] <Scooty-loo> yea I know
[08:31] <Scooty-loo> just pointing the current situation out
[08:32] <Mirv> yay! https://twitter.com/timojyrinki/status/565428033939861504
[08:32] <Pensee> Keep calm and carry on -> without me (gone b4 delivery)
[08:32] <Scooty-loo> Mirv: yay!
[08:33] <Scooty-loo> how many people sitting in their office now trying to buy ubuntu phone?
[08:33] <popey> s/office/pyjamas/
[08:33] <zapa_> office here also
[08:33] <zapa_> but seeing as shippments arrive in march...
[08:33] <robertopero> office too :)
[08:34] <dekoding> hello @ll
[08:34] <skerit> I got my order confirmation by mail. It's in German for some reason, but hey.
[08:34] <dekoding> sorry i can not buy the ubuntu phone :(
[08:34] <popey> Join the club.
[08:34] <robertopero> skerit: Lucky on! :)
[08:34] <robertopero> e
[08:35] <dekoding> this buggy ? =)
[08:35] <skerit> Yeah robertopero, I just opened the dev-tools and any time an ajax call resulted in a 502 I just tried again.. Seems to work :p
[08:36] <skerit> The store is just a magento install. I got order number 300000069
[08:36] <skerit> Though other stores (like /es, /fr) probably have different numbers.
[08:38] <robertopero> skerit: On the process order page did you log in or fill the form? Because I trying to log in now with no success....
[08:38] <skerit> I didn't have an account yet, so I just filled it in
[08:39] <mokmeister> Anybody here having difficulty buying the new BQ Ubuntu phone?
[08:39] <skerit> Every time you change the country it makes an ajax call to get the shipping options, but if there's a 502 error on the other side it won't appear to do anything
[08:39] <mokmeister> I just get error msg when I click through on the purchase, boohoo
[08:40] <skerit> Yeah mokmeister, the server is having difficulties. (That's putting it kindly)
[08:40] <mokmeister> hmmm, thanks for info skerit
[08:42] <skerit> But if you know your way around the browser dev-tools you can get through them, mokmeister
[08:42] <ogra_> or you could watch https://twitter.com/bqreaders/with_replies and wait til they announce that it is fixed ;)
[08:42] <uglyandstupid> good morning
[08:43] <uglyandstupid> Anyone know if there's any existant project integrating pocketsphinx + qt  please ?
[08:43] <skerit> There isn't really a bug, though, ogra_. "Fixing it" would be them beefing up the server :p
[08:46] <Scooty-loo> now I wonder if you put a raspberry pi up for the ubuntu flood, or there're simply too much people trying to get ubuntu now
[08:46] <Scooty-loo> I mean, the ubuntu e4.5
[08:49] <robertopero> skerit: So, are you the only one from this channel who can bought it already? :)
[08:49] <skerit> Am I? :)
[08:49] <skerit> I also chose to pay by wire transfer, by the way.
[09:00] <sturmflut-work> https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/565434867153133568
[09:03] <Neo31> skerit, did u have to configure ur pack options befor eyou hit add to cart ?
[09:03] <Neo31> i got this : * Please specify product option(s). and i see no payment gateways clickable
[09:03] <skerit> Noskcaj, I was just able to hit "add cart". "Configure your pack" doesn't seem to do anything
[09:03] <skerit> Oh sorry Noskcaj, meant Neo31
[09:04] <Neo31> :)
[09:04] <Neo31> i go this on cart : * Please specify product option(s).
[09:06] <skerit> Strange... But according to my order number, they're not selling them by the thousands atm. You'll have more luck later in the day.
[09:06]  * Neo31 starting to giv eup
[09:19] <robertopero> Yeah \o/ :D http://i.imgur.com/RN0VIFA.png
[09:20] <skerit> Great robertopero. Currently the site says it's already out of stock...
[09:21] <robertopero> skerit: Huh, I hope everything okay with my order :)
[09:23] <Neo31> i just got this not sure what's wrong
[09:23] <Neo31> * This product is currently out of stock.
[09:23] <ybon> han, the time to move from home to work place, I've switched from 502 to "out of stock"
[09:23] <mcphail> bah -- 6 attempts to buy with a crash each time and now out of stock. Disappointed
[09:24] <uglyandstupid> Anyone know if there's any existant project integrating pocketsphinx + qt  please ?
[09:24] <robertopero> I don't get a confirmation email yet, just from PayPal about the payment...
[09:24] <Neo31> now i got this : Sign up to get notified when this configuration is back in stock
[09:25] <sturmflut-work> Wasn't it sort of clear that the stock will never last until 5 pm
[09:26] <robertopero> popey: I think the accurate value is a secret, but circa how many devices sold by the bq today?
[09:27] <popey> i have no idea
[09:28] <popey> going by how hard it was to buy one given the website issues.. maybe 4? :)
[09:28]  * Neo31 wanna cry
[09:29] <robertopero> don't know :) I bought one, got the confirmation e-mail just a moment ago :)
[09:30] <skerit> Wellark_, robertopero shared his order number, which was ...165
[09:30] <skerit> Dammit, just wanted to say "Well", not "Wellark_"
[09:31] <robertopero> and yours is ...69, if i am right :)
[09:36] <matv1> kgunn ping
[09:37] <popey> Elleo: is it (in your humble opinion) a bug in OSK or App, if data isn't accepted into a field until you press space after a word? (i.e. type "Note title" and "Note" is taken as input)
[09:45] <Neo31> popey, robertopero skerit any ideas if it is gonna open again and when exactly?
[09:45] <popey> keep an eye on @ubuntu and @bqreaders on twitter
[09:46] <robertopero> sorry, I only know the same as you
[09:47] <Neo31> thanks anyway
[09:48] <skerit> Don't feel too bad, we'll probably all have to wait until march before the phone arrives.
[09:49] <matv1> and BQ are not even talking on chat atm. appearantly its not business hours in spain :O
[09:50] <matv1> Thats the last time I am paying for their national debt :D
[09:50] <Scooty-loo> hmm all units sold out now?
[09:50] <ogra_> yeps
[09:51] <Scooty-loo> cool sad ubuntu edge tho
[09:51] <Scooty-loo> that kid didn't make it
[09:51] <ogra_> just wait til 2016 :)
[09:52] <Elleo> popey: if the app is doing something custom it has to call commit() on the input method
[09:52] <ogra_> by then the desktop mode will be there and the standard HW will be able to cope
[09:52] <Elleo> popey: we do that automatically for apps when changing focus
[09:53] <popey> Elleo: its not a focus change, it's a button press... http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2015-02-11-093532.png (the save button to the right)
[09:53] <Elleo> popey: I don't particularly like it, but that's how the QT IME stuff works for pre-edit things
[09:53] <popey> if i press save with it like that, the title is saved as "Note" (or possibly "Note "), but not "Note title"
[09:54] <Elleo> popey: a button press should trigger a focus change unless the app sets a property on the button not to
[09:54] <popey> ok, will file a bug and attach this conversation.
[09:55] <popey> thanks!
[09:55] <Elleo> popey: what's the app?
[09:55] <popey> Elleo: reminders
[09:55] <Elleo> popey: okay, will take a quick look at it later to confirm
[09:56] <popey> thanks
[09:56] <matv1> anyone so this is unity crashing is it not? anybody seen this lately? (left to right or right to left both failing but otherwise device seems to keep functioning)
[09:56] <matv1> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=03bd3acdffa9b2c9e630ee98c85a4b23
[09:56] <matv1> i have had this a couple of times over the last weeks
[09:58] <matv1> thing is: i have nothing relevant in /var/crash on unity
[10:04] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ So I started to create the settings ui, and I think I found an elegant (but simple) solution for the submenu, I would like your opinion :-)
[10:04] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/settingsPage/+merge/249294
[10:04] <rpadovani> atm it's only the ui, there is no function linked yet
[10:05] <rpadovani> also, I created a property showNotImplementedItems to show/hide not yet implemented functionality. For now only privacy setting is visible, but if you change it to true you can see all settings that are in design spec
[10:06] <rpadovani> no hurry anyway, until Sat/Sun I don't think I'll be able to work on it again
[10:07] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, thanks, I’ll take a quick look. Note that I’m off tomorrow and Friday, so I won’t be able to properly review it before Monday anyway
[10:08] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, okay. Anyway, how you want to proceed? It's quite useless right now, do you want I try to link (or create) functions to privacy?
[10:11] <popey> rpadovani: heya, will you have a chance to look at the docviewer merges today, before you get sharks with fricking lazer beams zapping your eyes?
[10:12] <rpadovani> popey, yay, on them now :-)
[10:12] <rpadovani> (this morning is for development)
[10:14] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, at the moment I think only the options for which there is backend code ready should be visible (i.e. atm it will only be "clear browsing history"). It will look very empty, true, but we have to start somewhere :) Then you could move on to working on the search engines list model
[10:15] <rpadovani> okay, cool!
[10:16] <rpadovani> popey, do we have a desing spec for docviewer?
[10:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Get Out Your Guitar Day! :-D
[10:26] <robertopero> "We have in fact sold-out of Ubuntu phones for today's flash sale. Due to high demand this morning, many of you faced server issues which we apologies for.  As a result of the inconvenience and understandable frustration, we have decided to allocate an additional batch and hold another flash sale today at 3pm (CET.) We don't anticipate any further server issues and the BQ shop will be open until stock lasts - please note ph
[10:26] <robertopero> from Ubuntu official FB
[10:28] <popey> rpadovani: no
[10:28] <rpadovani> popey, okay. I already reviewed 1, the other one requires to test on the phone, I'm updating my chroot
[10:29] <popey> thanks rpadovani !
[10:43] <mandel> Elleo, any news about https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/test-space-left/+merge/249093
[10:55] <Neo31> next flash will be 3pm CET
[10:59] <joolz> yup, https://plus.google.com/+bqreaders/posts/BStjo9FWMfW
[11:00] <joolz> hope they're ready this time, this morning was awful
[11:09] <Scooty-loo> I'm actually curious about the number of devices prepared for initial sale, as if the coming second flash sale is just a marketing tactic..
[11:11] <ogra_> wheee, conspiracy :)
[11:11] <popey> seems more like an apology to me
[11:11] <ogra_> it is to compensate for the outage
[11:12] <popey> ya
[11:12] <Stskeeps> no shame in such a marketing tactic.. it's good old classic apple and a lot of other companies
[11:12] <Stskeeps> if there's demand, it's not a shame to sell, sell, sell
[11:12] <Stskeeps> :P
[11:13] <popey> I honestly think bq didn't expect this demand.
[11:13] <popey> Given they wanted to run a flash sale from 08:00 UTC until 17:00 UTC
[11:13] <ogra_> yep, the first run iis to dip your foot in the water anyway :)
[11:13] <popey> maybe they thought we'll sell maybe a few per hour over the day, then close the shutters
[11:13] <popey> and people will be wanting to buy one next time..
[11:13] <k1l> or maybe devices that got caught in the server issue? hp/palm did this on their firesale since the online shop system did hold back some devices to not sell devices doubled
[11:14] <popey> yeah, who knows.
[11:14] <popey> fun to speculate though :)
[11:14] <ogra_> :)
[11:14] <k1l> but i should write a marketing book about the issues with firesales :)
[11:14] <k1l> didnt see just one where not 90% of users were dissapointed
[11:32] <Scooty-loo> still fun to see that server get down on it's knees, no matter that was an IBM or a raspberry pi
[11:33] <popey> it was amazon aws, if the IP address is right :)
[11:36] <Elleo> mandel: will test that now, had to leave last night before jenkins finished building the new version
[11:36] <mandel> Elleo, no problem
[11:38] <ogra_> popey, oh my, i see the headlines "Ubuntu Phone kills AWS"
[11:38] <popey> Good.
[11:39] <ogra_> subtitle: canonicals secret strategy to take amazon out of the cloud market
[11:39] <john-mcaleely> well, except doesn't aws run ubuntu instances, in general? :-)
[11:39] <ogra_> shhh
[11:39] <ogra_> :)
[11:40] <Elleo> heh
[11:40] <jgdx> What exactly is a flash sale?
[11:40] <ogra_> this is where you can buy camera equipment ...
[11:40] <k1l> limited devices all sold for cheap price till they are all gone
[11:41] <john-mcaleely> widely used by the new phone OEMs as they launch phones, it seems
[11:41] <jgdx> camera equipment, got it
[11:42] <uhhimhere> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2015-02/index.html
[11:42] <uhhimhere> hey look hurds not dead
[11:45] <Scooty-loo> ha, the canonicals shenanigans
[12:13] <Elleo> mandel: managed to break it :P
[12:13] <Elleo> mandel: added a comment to the review, but basically it looks like it isn't checking properly when handling zips
[12:14] <Elleo> mandel: possibly the fact that the unzip fails (due to running out of disk space)
[12:15] <sturmflut-work> Bq could really do themselves a favor and release the Ubuntu firmware images for the E4.5. ATM they probably have to manually reflash all their Android stock to Ubuntu, why not let the user do it?
[12:15] <popey> thats not how it works
[12:15] <popey> the phones are flashed in the factory, not by hand.
[12:16] <sturmflut-work> popey: They make money in all cases, regardless if I buy the Android version and flash it or if I buy the Ubuntu Edition.
[12:16] <popey> not exactly resource efficient or scalable to have someone sat flashing phones.
[12:17] <Stskeeps> popey: once you're embarassed by your first time user experience, you'll get there :P
[12:17] <svij> but there is actually difference in the screen between android and ubuntu editions, one has the android menu buttons, the other doesn't
[12:17] <Stskeeps> we've reflashed a couple of times stock
[12:18] <popey> heh Stskeeps
[12:18] <Stskeeps> users don't automatically run to update their phones
[12:19] <popey> my tv forces me to update :(
[12:19] <popey> had to wait 30 mins before I could use it recently
[12:20] <Elleo> popey: better start pushing for ubuntu TVs again ;)
[12:20] <popey> heh
[12:21] <ogra_> pitti, do you know if CONFIG_TIMER_STATS is a requirement in ubuntu for upower ?
[12:22] <ogra_> cking, ^^^
[12:22] <pitti> ogra_: not sure, what does that do?
[12:22] <ogra_> upower -w ... wakeup stats
[12:22] <ogra_> i wonder if we need it in a typical phone config
[12:23] <pitti> for wakeup stats it reads /proc/timer_stats
[12:23] <cking> it allows one to read /proc/timer_stats
[12:23] <pitti> ah, so that config option is for that file
[12:23] <cking> bit like what evenrstat does too
[12:23] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls /proc/timer_*
[12:23] <ogra_> /proc/timer_list
[12:24] <ogra_> my question is rather if we want it on :)
[12:24]  * popey goes for lunch.. Don't sell any phones while I'm gone!
[12:24] <cking> ogra_, it does not add much, and it is useful for debugging wakey processes using eventstat
[12:24] <pitti> ogra_: that's just informational, so if we don't care about showing that anywhere (I doubt it's in a GUI), then I guess no
[12:24] <ogra_> ok, thanks
[12:25] <Scooty-loo> people so waiting for the image so that they can buy android verison and flash it
[12:26] <Scooty-loo> but from the look of it it will be after they have sold enough ubuntu edition
[12:26] <Scooty-loo> while I think many people would prefer a version that can go back and forth android/ubuntu-touch
[12:29] <ogra_> you wont be easily able to go back and forth ...
[12:29] <ogra_> at least not withough completely re-flashing the device
[12:30] <ogra_> the partitioning schemes are different
[13:06] <Scooty-loo> meh one can easily put android partitions on sd-card, it will be slow, but you will have a dev devices that runs both through more simple boot image re-flashing
[13:12] <ubuntufin> hmm possible install lg g2 mini ubuntu touch os?
[13:24] <Neo31> hich-em, what's up?
[13:48] <sturmflut-work> popey: If I'm not completely mistaken the Bq phones given to the "Insider Event" attendees came with Ubuntu Touch r16, which was released on January 30, so how did Bq get those phones from the factory in China to London within six days?
[13:49]  * sturmflut-work still wants to believe that there is a cave full of smartphone-flashing gnomes somewhere in spain
[13:50] <popey> that was 30 phones
[13:50] <popey> not thousands
[13:50] <sturmflut-work> Gnomes I say!
[13:50] <sturmflut-work> Gnomes!
[13:50] <sturmflut-work> Singing the Bq song
[13:50] <Elleo> you really don't want to get flashed by a gnome
[13:51] <beuno> +1 to Gnomes
[13:51] <popey> Down with that sort of thing!
[13:52] <ertyhj> aa
[13:52] <pcctw_> hi
[13:53] <sturmflut-work> "Heigh-Ho, Heigh-ho, to flash the phones we go" *sings*
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> channel count has never been so high in here
[13:54] <pcctw_> http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html
[13:55] <popey> Tick. Tock.
[13:57]  * mcphail needs to find a way to distract everyone in the channel from the "refresh" button on their browsers so he has a chance of completing the checkout in the next 5 minutes...
[13:57] <pcctw_> i need new phone... and i'm not sure... aquarius or jolla...
[13:57] <k1l> if you ask here: go for the ubunut phone :)
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> k1l: :p
[13:58] <mcphail> pcctw_: go jolla - I've heard the ubuntu phone is rubbish - Don't even bother going on the website in the next 10 minutes... ;)
[13:58] <mcphail> one down
[13:59] <k1l> and the case looks like a reversed iphone case :) the iphone and ipad cases have that hole to show the apple logo on the back
[13:59] <pcctw_> mcphail, forget
[13:59] <pcctw_> :P i'm refreshing every 2 sec :P
[13:59] <sturmflut-work> k1l: What a great idea, to build a case that shows the company logo instead of something actually useful
[13:59] <mcphail> got one in basket buth spiiny thing from hell again...
[14:00] <popey> \o/ success
[14:00] <k1l> sturmflut-work: well, isnt buying apple hardware all about showing you got apple hardware? :)
[14:00] <pcctw_> process odrer doesn't work :(
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> i dont think anyone will try to bend the ubuntu phone :p
[14:01] <Tm_T> popey: is ther any way to have custom ctrl+ key combinations on terminal app keyboard?
[14:01] <joolz> once again trying to buy a phone, once again slashdotted
[14:01] <popey> Tm_T: yes, we're going to allow people to define their own
[14:01] <popey> pcctw_: wfm.
[14:02] <Tm_T> popey: great, as I use tmux with ctrl+b combinations for example
[14:03] <sturmflut-work> Great, I have a phone in my cart but Checkout is broken again
[14:03] <Tm_T> now if this ubuflu would give up I could do something that require brains
[14:03] <Siilwyn> Trying to buy the phone...
[14:03] <Siilwyn> Can't get past the process order page.
[14:03] <pcctw_> I do checkout now :) wooow
[14:04] <mcphail> Gah - payment failed and site has crashed again.   The page-error version or the out-of-stock version?"
[14:07] <Neo31> why don't they just produce more if the demand is high
[14:07] <Siilwyn> joolz, page error
[14:07] <pcctw_> wtf??? * This product is currently out of stock.
[14:07] <Neo31> mcphail, keep it up there might be other flashes keep following twitter
[14:07] <joolz> I'm on Ubuntu (OS) since day 1 but this really pisses me off
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> someone secretly ordered 1000 devices?
[14:07] <robertopero> It was fast ... again
[14:07] <Siilwyn> joolz, better yet I got the infinite spinning loading page version
[14:08]  * Mirv managed to buy Bq!
[14:08] <mcphail> Neo31: I don't mind it selling out, but if they don't have stock it shouldn't go in the basket
[14:08] <Neo31> congrats Mirv
[14:08] <Neo31> i see mcphail
[14:08] <pcctw_> that's sad
[14:08] <Mirv> no even timeouts, just careful waiting of the spinning shipping method etc fields after writing address
[14:08] <Tm_T> Mirv: excellent (:
[14:08] <joolz>  @bqreaders on twitter: "We've sold out! A HUGE thank you to those that are the new owners of the Ubuntu Phone."
[14:08] <mcphail> @b******s
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> how many devices are sold?
[14:08] <Tm_T> Neo31: of course they will produce more, but that doesn't happen in minutes
[14:09] <Neo31> no ideas yet
[14:09] <Neo31> :/
[14:09] <Siilwyn> Mirv, yeah I did the same but that spinning just went on, and on, and on...
[14:09] <joolz> guess they didn't see it coming, much more demand then they expected
[14:09] <Neo31> this is really sad
[14:09] <Neo31> everyone here should have a phone
[14:09] <Siilwyn> Now the big question remains, how much did they sell?
[14:09] <Neo31> my friend just missed also
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> and how much devices are they gonna release next time
[14:10] <Siilwyn> Neo31, yeah all members of #ubuntu-touch should have 10 minutes in advance. (=
[14:10] <Neo31> but still 8mn flash isn't serious
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> Siilwyn: lol
[14:10] <Siilwyn> I'm a sad panda now.
[14:10] <robertopero> If somebody bought the phone in the second run, can share his/her order no?
[14:10] <Neo31> lol lotuspsychje good idea
[14:10] <Neo31> :p
[14:10] <joolz> I wonder what the happy-new-owners vs. angry-people ratio is ;-)
[14:10] <mcphail> Ah well, at least I now have a Bq log in :(
[14:11] <Mirv> Siilwyn: :(
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> the good news is, its a success tnx to all devs and more devices will come
[14:11] <beuno> I guess BQ will have to hire more Gnomes to crank out phones
[14:12] <Siilwyn> Does anybody know how the FireFox phone sales went? BQ also sold those right?
[14:13]  * beuno doesn't
[14:15] <Siilwyn> If I search for 'firefox phone BQ' it only shows me news about the Ubuntu phone. ;D
[14:15] <beuno> yeah, I don't think they shipped a FF phone
[14:15] <joolz> Siilwyn: well, then buy that one ;-)
[14:16]  * joolz ducks
[14:16] <Siilwyn> Smashes the wall.
[14:16] <Siilwyn> I have no idea how you do that start thingy.
[14:16] <Siilwyn> *star
[14:16] <joolz>  /me
[14:17]  * Siilwyn Cries in a corner
[14:17] <joolz> got it
[14:17] <Siilwyn> ^^
[14:17] <rickspencer3> wow, that fast?
[14:17] <rickspencer3> crazy
[14:18] <popey> yeah, i snuck in at 59 mins past, seems the site broke at 2 mins past or so
[14:18] <popey> then out of stock soon after
[14:19] <Mirv> I managed to start at :03 and get through by waiting, by pure luck
[14:19] <john-mcaleely> I don't think BQ sold firefox phones. I may be wrong
[14:20] <rvr> Haven't heard about that
[14:20] <pcctw> they shouldn't gave up with ubuntu edge...
[14:20] <Siilwyn> Al right, I'm misinformed then.
[14:20] <Siilwyn> pcctw, my thoughts exactly
[14:22] <Siilwyn> Dual boot, here I come!
[14:22] <pcctw> can I use some other device?
[14:23] <beuno> pcctw, a Nexus 4
[14:23] <Siilwyn> Which I luckily own.
[14:23] <sturmflut-work> Oh come on, f*** you Bq! I had a phone in my cart, couldn't go to checkout, fell back to the cart and now it says "out of stock". What kind of shop is this? Usually the item is blocked for a specific time if you put it in the cart!
[14:23] <beuno> I think there weren't expecting this amount of traffic  :)
[14:24] <svij> even google fails always when it comes to sell their new devices…
[14:25] <robertopero> beuno: What how much traffic? And how manyi divces sold? These are the main questions
[14:25] <sergiusens> feels like buying a concert ticket in south america; they sell out in the first 5 minutes
[14:26] <beuno> robertopero, I don't know the answers to those questions, only BQ does  :)
[14:26] <beuno> whatever it is, they were expecting less, it seems!
[14:26] <robertopero> yes
[14:27] <Siilwyn> BQ should be open about the numbers in my opinion.
[14:27] <robertopero> I think they sold only 1-2 thousand devices
[14:28] <davmor2> beuno: at least the site stayed up this time :)
[14:28] <rvr> davmor2: Yup
[14:28] <robertopero> from bq twitter: "@askoldsblakis we,ve sold all the phones. You will be able to try again next week"
[14:28] <robertopero> so maybe next week
[14:29] <Riddell> Tassadar: hola, I'm looking at customising your nexus 5 rebuild for a kubuntu remix, I've got a server all set up, can you give me a pointer how you rebuild the devices tar? I'm thinking I want to do something similar on the ubuntu tar
[14:30] <Tassadar> I don't think you have any idea what ubuntu touch is to be honest Oo
[14:30] <Siilwyn> Next week already?
[14:31] <Tassadar> adding kde would most assuredly not be part of the device-specific parts, and I highly doubt kde works with phone screens, let alone MIR
[14:32] <TopGear> Has someone here actually succeeded at buying a BQ?
[14:32] <robertopero> TopGear: \o me, at morning
[14:32] <beuno> TopGear, yeah, I'm seeing plenty of tweets
[14:32] <Siilwyn> TopGear, yes: Neo31 and Mirv
[14:32] <TopGear> Ah, alright then
[14:33] <Riddell> Tassadar: right, as I say I want to remix the ubuntu tar
[14:33] <beuno> demand is just too much above the expectation atm
[14:33] <Siilwyn> Fingers crossed for next week.
[14:33] <Riddell> Tassadar: and we will look at replacing mir and making kde software for phones
[14:34] <Tassadar> the devices tar is just android build from phablet.ubuntu.com, I don't know how the ubuntu tar gets build right now
[14:34] <Tassadar> my server just downloads it from the official one
[14:35] <TopGear> Hu, the next sale is next week? That's not really a 9-18 flash sale, BQ...
[14:36] <Riddell> Tassadar: right, and you use ubuntu-device-flash for that I guess, is there something in ubuntu-device-flash to do the remixing or do you add that yourself?
[14:36] <beuno> TopGear, I think they expected stock to last longer on each batch  :)
[14:36] <Tassadar> I have no idea what do you mean by remixing
[14:36] <Tassadar> I just add like two files needed for hammerhead to the tar
[14:37] <ogra_> Riddell, why would you touch the device tarball at all ?
[14:38] <Riddell> ogra_: I won't, I'll be touching the ubuntu tar, but I wonder what the easiest way to do that is, if ubuntu-device-flash has a nifty way to do it or it needs some extra scripting
[14:38] <ogra_> you should just pull it as is from Tassadar's server into yours ... and make your server provide a different rootfs
[14:38] <ogra_> with kubuntu ...
[14:39] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash only downloads and copies the files
[14:39] <ogra_> it doesnt touch the contents
[14:39] <Riddell> ogra_: right, so my question is how to provide a different rootfs
[14:40] <Riddell> does that come from the preinstall-touch file at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20150210/ ?
[14:40] <ogra_> yeah
[14:42] <ogra_> Riddell, i havent touched that code for a while but it used to work for buildin a rootfs when we started, it probably doesnt anymore but might give you an idea how the rootfs is produced https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/project-rootstock-ng/trunk
[14:42] <Scooty-loo> I want to molest the BQ e4.5 ubuntu images...
[14:43] <ogra_> Scooty-loo, and you can ! :)
[14:43] <ogra_> it sall open and unlocked for your convenience
[14:43] <Scooty-loo> ogra_: I mean the rootfs, boot image, system image, recovery image
[14:43] <Scooty-loo> basically everything >_<
[14:44] <ogra_> you can pull the developer image from system-image.ubuntu.com from the devel or devel-proposed channel
[14:45] <ogra_> it has all bits
[14:45] <Scooty-loo> ogra_: kay will check it out
[14:45] <Scooty-loo> ogra_: as bq images are not on cdi preinstalls
[14:45] <ogra_> not sure hwat "cdi preinstalls" mean
[14:46] <popey> cdimage
[14:46] <ogra_> ah
[14:46] <Scooty-loo> cdimage*
[14:46] <Scooty-loo> yup
[14:46] <Scooty-loo> krillin is it's code name?
[14:46] <ogra_> right, the device bits dont come from cdimage
[14:46] <ogra_> yeah
[14:56] <kenvandine> ogra_, i flashed trusty on my old busted grouper and setup a chroot for builds :-D
[14:57] <kenvandine> ogra_, can i just disable lightdm to keep it from starting a shell and unity-system-compositor?
[14:58] <popey> kenvandine: just apt-get uprgade it, that'll break it sufficiently not to start unity :)
[15:00] <ogra_> kenvandine, you need to hack up /etc7init/android-tools-adbd.conf ...
[15:00] <ogra_> kenvandine, but that will stop working soon as well ... since we check for the screen lock state
[15:00] <ogra_> (needs moar hacks :) )
[15:01] <kenvandine> ogra_, not going to update it, so it won't break
[15:01] <kenvandine> it's trusty :)
[15:01] <kenvandine> just to host a vivid chroot
[15:01] <ogra_> ah, yeah, that will be fine
[15:02] <ogra_> you might want to make the whole thing writable and completely remove /etc/system-image/writable paths then :)
[15:02] <ogra_> well, not remove, but empty it
[15:02] <kenvandine> it's working fine
[15:02] <ogra_> that way you would be able to even use apt-get upgrade
[15:02] <kenvandine> i just want to reduce memory usage
[15:02] <kenvandine> i don't want to :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> last time i did that on this thing it wouldn't boot at all
[15:03] <ogra_> haha
[15:03] <ogra_> k
[15:03] <Scooty-loo> whao ubuntu-touch for the e4.5 is fat
[15:03] <Scooty-loo> 1.3 GB, poor 8GB flash
[15:03] <Scooty-loo> there goes 1.3 GB
[15:03] <kenvandine> ogra_, so what do i need to change in android-tools-adbd.conf
[15:05] <kenvandine> ogra_, i want adbd though :)
[15:08] <mandel> Elleo, ah, good point, I need to calculate the space when unzipped
[15:08] <mandel> Elleo, I wonder how do I do that..
[15:08] <kenvandine> mandel, hey... did you see i already had a MP for that backport?
[15:08] <mandel> kenvandine, nop, on it
[15:08] <kenvandine> your branch also included some other commits too
[15:09] <kenvandine> i disapproved your's :)
[15:09] <kenvandine> mandel, how about your fix for not handling the error?
[15:10] <mandel> kenvandine, oh! you we where block with that, let me do an MP with tours as a prer-equeisite
[15:10] <mandel> kenvandine, sorry I had no idea, I was focused on ciborium
[15:10] <kenvandine> ?
[15:10] <kenvandine> i never saw a branch from you to fix that
[15:10] <ogra_> kenvandine, just remove the "on lightdm" stuff
[15:11] <mandel> kenvandine, I have the code around, my brain must be playing tricks, give me a few mins
[15:11] <kenvandine> mandel, for trunk first
[15:11] <kenvandine> ogra_, from which service?
[15:11] <kenvandine> everything with on lightdm?
[15:11] <mardy> tedg: hi! Could a notification helper use Online Accounts? AFAIK they cannot use the network, so using OA would make little sense, but I just want to double-check with you
[15:11] <ogra_> from start on in /etc/init/android-tools-adbd.conf
[15:11] <Scooty-loo> what is ubuntu touch's current implementation of fstab?
[15:12] <Elleo> mandel: I'd have thought most zip libraries would be able to provide that info
[15:12] <Scooty-loo> I mean, thing that's similar to fstab
[15:12] <kenvandine> ogra_, ah... that isn't there in trusty :)
[15:12] <Elleo> mandel: worst case you could check for failure and delete afterwards
[15:12] <kenvandine> ok, so just disable lightdm
[15:12] <kenvandine> i see what you were saying
[15:12] <ogra_> kenvandine, yeah, in trusty we still had a fully open adbd ...
[15:12] <mandel> Elleo, in this case we are not using a zip lib but a helps, I should be able to call the helper an request the size
[15:13] <Elleo> mandel: ah yes, I remember now
[15:43] <Scooty-loo> whao ubuntu touch e4.5 image's init relay so much on the uboot commands x.x
[15:43] <Scooty-loo> rely*
[15:51] <kenvandine> bfiller, remember i mentioned in the meeting yesterday our settings tests have become flaky again?
[15:51] <bfiller> kenvandine: yes
[15:51] <kenvandine> bfiller, quite a bit of that looks like it's not even starting settings
[15:52] <kenvandine> like you mentioned today
[15:52] <kenvandine> so settings is also affected
[15:52] <kenvandine> gotta be infrastructure
[15:52] <bfiller> kenvandine: sounds like an infrastructure issue
[15:52] <bfiller> yup
[15:52] <bfiller> can you let the CI guys know on ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:52] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:52] <kenvandine> so what other apps are having the issue?
[15:58] <Neo31> " we experienced a huge demand this morning, receiving over 12,000 orders per minute" on twitter
[15:59] <Scooty-loo> whao
[16:00] <Scooty-loo> I wonder if ubuntu-touch will eat more apple pie or lollipop...pie? :P
[16:01] <bfiller> kenvandine: when messaging-app imports a photo from gallery where does it get stored in messaging-app?
[16:01] <kenvandine> it doesn't get stored
[16:01] <kenvandine> it should go to HubIncoming
[16:01] <kenvandine> but then it gets scaled down
[16:01] <kenvandine> it shouldn't stay
[16:12] <Siilwyn> Don't know if posted before but maybe somebody is interested in the 'Ubuntu game' of BQ: http://www.bq.com/gb/game-ubuntu
[16:30] <adrian47> UT is installed to data partition right?
[16:30] <adrian47> There should be something in system partition?
[16:32] <ogra_> depends, i think the loop mounted image setup just uses the data partition to put all img file in
[16:32]  * ogra_ forgot ... havent touched that quite a while
[16:37] <kenvandine> john-mcaleely, i've confirmed the string change for "Mobile" is in image 233
[16:38] <john-mcaleely> kenvandine, thank you!
[16:38] <kenvandine> john-mcaleely,  rtm proposed on krillin to be clear, so confirmed the bug is fixed
[16:38] <john-mcaleely> +1
[16:38] <kenvandine> john-mcaleely, np, had to flash anyway
[16:38] <john-mcaleely> thanks
[16:39] <adrian47> ogra_, i have trouble to get yesterday state.. i don't have now spinning logo :(
[16:39] <ogra_> :(
[16:57] <adrian47> I'm not sure why because i'm doing it in the same way as yesterday.
[17:19] <kenvandine> seb128_,  so syncing the schema from rtm didn't work out... there are changes in vivid that aren't in rtm yet
[17:20] <kenvandine> so now the shell doesn't start :/
[17:20] <seb128_> kenvandine, :-(
[17:21] <kenvandine> seb128, so maybe a manual upload for the schemas?
[17:22] <kenvandine> bfiller, do you know when the gsettings schema change for mms-group-chat-enabled might land in rtm?
[17:22] <kenvandine> i guess that won't help either, because they'll sync it... and whack the other vibrations setting
[17:22] <bfiller> kenvandine: not sure when mms group chat is milestoned for
[17:23] <kenvandine> bfiller, we have a problem with the schemas, the other vibration branch landed in trunk and rtm, but not vivid
[17:23] <kenvandine> that package is usually synced from vivid to rtm
[17:23] <kenvandine> and i need to get it in vivid
[17:23] <kenvandine> i tried a sync from rtm to vivid, but that loses the group mms change
[17:23] <kenvandine> so no good
[17:24] <seb128> kenvandine, wfm if you want to do that
[17:24] <kenvandine> seb128, i think a manual upload of the schema package is the only solution
[17:24] <kenvandine> ok, i'll upload what's in trunk and push directly to trunk with the changelog change
[17:24] <kenvandine> oh... or i could propose a branch against trunk for a no change rebuild :)
[17:24] <kenvandine> then put that in the silo :)
[17:25] <seb128> yeah
[17:26] <bfiller> kenvandine: it's fine if the schema change for mms gets into rtm - we are not exposing it yet on the UI
[17:26] <bfiller> so don't think it would hurt
[17:26] <bfiller> and we'll want it soon anyway
[17:27] <kenvandine> bfiller, less risky not to
[17:28] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/other_vibrations/+merge/249364
[17:28] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[17:28] <kenvandine> mind a review?
[17:31] <SturmFlut> Neo31: Now the question is: For how many minutes were they selling phones at 12.000 orders per minute? The first "out of stock" reports came in at about 9:40 am, the german shop started reporting "Out of stock" at about 10:20 am. So let's say they were effectively selling phones for about 45 minutes. At that rate, that would be half a million phones
[17:32] <SturmFlut> Which just can't be right
[17:33] <seb128> kenvandine, done
[17:33] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[17:36] <Neo31> SturmFlut, " receiving over 12,000 orders per minute" doesn't mean successful orders, they have meant order request which most of it failed.
[17:36] <Neo31> we all seen the server issues the morning and they explained that they are sorry about that issue
[17:37] <Neo31> it is absolutely 12000 order request and not successful order
[17:40] <SturmFlut> Neo31: I know, but that's no how the english language works. "receiving over 12,000 orders per minute" means that you actually got 12.000 orders per minute which you now have to fulfill. In all other cases one would write "order attempts" or "requests" or "clicks" or whatever. The statement Bq made on Twitter is incorrect and misleading.
[17:41] <SturmFlut> I got my Aquaris E4.5 with Android within three days, BTW
[17:42] <kenvandine> kind of sucks to have installed that bad version of the schemas which kept unity8 from starting
[17:42]  * kenvandine shakes fist at gsettings
[17:43]  * kenvandine blames desrt, good thing he's not in this channel to defend himself :-D
[17:49] <zapa_> anyone got any ideas how many E4.5 units were sold today?
[17:49] <zapa_> really hope the flash launch was a success :D I want more, high spec, phones out there :)
[17:51] <SturmFlut> zapa_: Someone on G+ claimed that someone from Bq told him that it was just 250 units in the morning. Bq themselves claim 12.000 orders per minute.
[17:52] <zapa_> well this morning only a few people managed to buy before the website went full crash-fest
[17:52] <zapa_> or it could have been 12.000 page refresh on the buy page :D
[17:53] <zapa_> would be cool if they managed to sell >20K devices. For a flash sale, that looks great
[17:55] <dobey> well, if they actually sold 12K/min and sold out in 9 min, then that's 108K phones sold
[17:56] <ogra_> and if it only were 250 units you at least know the upper and the lower margin now :P
[17:56] <ogra_> so much fun to speculate on numbers :)
[17:56] <zapa_> it's a big gap there :D
[17:56] <zapa_> still, if they did sell 108K phones, then wooho! Soulds like a success
[17:56] <dobey> i doubt it was only 250 units, simply from a manufacturing cost perspective
[17:57] <zapa_> now we need more manufacturers!
[17:57] <ogra_> dobey, i was just connecting the numbers from the backlog in here :)
[17:57] <dobey> ogra_: yeah, i'm just providing more data to speculate on ;)
[17:57] <ogra_> haha
[17:58] <zapa_> was there any announcement on a ubuntu tablet or something?
[17:58] <zapa_> that's what I really want
[17:58] <dobey> no, but you can buy a 2013 nexus 7, or a nexus 10, and install ubuntu on it if you want one now
[18:00] <zapa_> can't find any 2013 n7 here (second hand only) and the n10 more expensive than the n9
[18:02] <SturmFlut> Let's be realistic: The whole mobile market in spain is less than 20 million devices, Bq has a market share of about 3 percent. That means they sell less than 600.000 devices a year, or about 1500 devices a day. I highly doubt that the flash sale today sold more devices than Bq usually sells within two weeks, so that would mean the number can't at any rate be higher than 15.000
[18:03] <lazyPower> I have a question regarding releases / channels - and the today scope that i've seen referenced in promo material
[18:03] <lazyPower> is this part of a customized image or is my ubuntu app store fu really weak?
[18:04] <SturmFlut> dobey: 108K is impossible, at 170 € per unit that would mean they made more than 15% of their annual revenue in just one hour
[18:04] <ogra_> lazyPower, not sure about your app store foo ...
[18:04] <ogra_> lazyPower, but the Today and Nearby scopes are bq material
[18:04] <lazyPower> ah ok. so its not something i'll ever get/see on a vanilla/dev flash.
[18:04] <ogra_> it is their customization
[18:05] <dobey> lazyPower: not at the moment, at least
[18:05] <ogra_> it might go into the store, but likely not right now :)
[18:05] <dobey> SturmFlut: are you talking about only spain, or all of europe?
[18:05] <lazyPower> thanks for the info gents
[18:05]  * lazyPower hattips
[18:08] <SturmFlut> dobey: All of Europe. Mundo Reader, the parent company of Bq, is active in most of Europe and made 115 million euros of revenue in 2013. Their market share hasn't grown much and they are basically unknown outside of spain.
[18:18] <SturmFlut> dobey: It would be quite spectacular if a company which produces about half a million phones a year takes the risk of producing 108K phones with an untested new operating system, and then sells them within an hour ;)
[18:21] <dobey> well, being the first real ubuntu phone has certainly garnered a lot more media attention across a much wider spectrum than just spain :)
[18:23] <adrian47> ogra_, UT dbus needs to have working wifi?
[18:24] <ogra_> nah
[18:24] <ogra_> you need a loopback interface up and running though ... so localhost can be found
[18:26] <adrian47> cause yesterday i get dbus errors in ~.cache/upstart, look at this part paste.ubuntu.com/10176365
[18:27] <adrian47> it's from dmesg
[18:27] <ogra_> read again ;)
[18:28] <ogra_> (it doesnt say dbus)
[18:29] <ogra_> looks like some process to push the wifi firmware to the device ... something that runs on the android side
[18:29] <adrian47> oh, my bad :)
[18:50] <Jokersww> Anyone have a problem flashing nexus 7 to develop channel?
[19:17] <adrian47> haha!!! :D
[19:17] <adrian47> ogra_, are you still here?
[19:40] <kass> hi .
[19:40] <ogra_> adrian47, only with half an eye ...
[19:41] <adrian47> ogra_, I inserted sim card and it works like before :)
[19:41] <ogra_> heh
[19:42] <adrian47> ogra_, I removed it morning and then problems appear :)
[19:42] <ogra_> iteresting ... nothing should really depend on the presence of a sim
[19:42] <ogra_> from the boot perspective at least
[19:43] <kass> is BQ 4.5e ( ubuntu touch mobile ) avaibale in bruxelles in France .
[19:45] <ogra_> sure
[19:45] <kass> @ogra , sure for me ?
[19:46] <ogra_> yes
[19:46] <kass> :))))))))))))))))))))))
[19:46] <kass> thank you .
[19:46] <ogra_> :)
[19:47] <dobey> ogra_, adrian47: is that about dbus? if it works ok when you have actual network access, then the problem is in the configuration of the loopack interface for <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:49] <ogra_> kass, http://www.bq.com/fr/ubuntu.html ... but you can only order it during "flash sales" they get announced on the twitter account of Ubuntu or bq
[19:49] <adrian47> dobey, without sim I was getting bootloop, with sim i see spinning logo
[19:49] <ogra_> https://twitter.com/bqreaders
[19:51] <kass> is it available in the store ?
[19:51] <dobey> kass: you have to wait for the next flash sale
[19:54] <kass> good .
[19:54] <kass> thank you .
[19:54] <adrian47> but now adb didn' works again :( i see it as device in adb devices but when adb shell i see still clear line in terminal
[20:10] <zapa_> someone mentioned last night that SDL is available on ubuntu touch
[20:11] <zapa_> tried a simple hello world and including SDL2, just to check <SDL2/SDL.h>
[20:11] <zapa_> builds on PC, fails on target device with "no such file"
[20:11] <zapa_> anyone mind shining some light on what should I do?
[20:12] <ogra_> zapa_, sdl isnt preinstalled, no
[20:12] <ogra_> Mir supports execution of SDL2 code
[20:12] <ogra_> if you want to provide apps using SDL2 you have to ship the libs in your click package
[20:13] <zapa_> understood
[20:13] <SturmFlut> zapa_: I was about to build a template for that, https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template , but it's heavily outdated
[20:14] <SturmFlut> "Builds, packages, fails on the device."
[20:15]  * SturmFlut has no time for Ubuntu Touch development ATM because of his stupid job
[20:15] <zapa_> ^ tell me about it!
[20:16] <zapa_> actually thinking of taking a 2 week leave so I can setup some stuff for myself
[20:17] <SturmFlut> Well, the job is actually awesome, but it doesn't have anything to do with mobile devices. Exactly the opposite
[20:18] <nhaines> popey: the Ubuntu gift boxes at the Ubuntu Insiders event had a little brochure that explained the Ubuntu phone's interface.  If that wasn't bq-specific, can I get the artwork so I can have it printed for the Ubuntu booth at SCALE?
[20:19] <popey> nhaines: hmm, I dunno where that came from.
[20:19] <popey> nhaines: I'll ask.
[20:19] <nhaines> I wasn't able to tell whether or not the instructions came inside the bq box or the gift box.
[20:19] <kenvandine> maybe from BQ
[20:19] <nhaines> popey: Thanks.  I'd love to have anything at all like that for the attendees.  :)
[20:27] <adrian47> ok, I'm back adb works
[20:32] <maettu_> hi i just installed the multi-rom app, there are diffrent Version of Ubuntu touch
[20:33] <maettu_> like utopic / utopic-custumized /utopic-demo /utopic-costumized-generic
[20:34] <maettu_> now my question is which should i choose for installation
[20:34] <adrian47> dobey, where is this configuration? unity8 didn't want to start cause of dbus
[20:48] <dobey> adrian47: the lo interface is by default configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:49] <dobey> why do people ask questions and then immediately quit. grr
[20:52] <adrian47> dobey, thanks i see it but what now..  :)
[20:53] <dobey> adrian47: i don't know. i don't have your phone and i'm not porting to it, so i can't really tell you what's not working on it :)
[20:59] <maettu_> hello i just installed ubuntu touch via MultiROM app on my Nexus 7
[20:59] <maettu_> How long does it take to boot for the first time?
[21:00] <maettu_> I see the Ubuntu-logo spinning arround...
[21:01] <dobey> it takes a while the first time
[21:01] <maettu_> a while like 15min or longer?
[21:02] <dobey> the big logo with the orange progress bar underneath, or just the small logo by itself?
[21:02] <maettu_> small one in the middle
[21:03] <taiebot> It would be nice to release the today Nearby and photo scopes for other platforms. I find it quite sad that it is not made available to people who are testing, developing and trying the phone.
[21:04] <pngo_> how can I list mods in ubuntu-touch? lsmod does not work.
[21:06] <SturmFlut> pngo_: What mods? Kernel modules?
[21:06] <pngo_> yes
[21:06] <dobey> pngo_: you might have to do it inside the lxc container that the android bits are in. you can probably reboot to recovery and do it in there, too
[21:07] <dobey> although i'm not sure if that will be useful to do for anything
[21:08] <pngo_> dobey, can you tell me why I can't do it in terminal?
[21:09] <SturmFlut> pngo_: Just look at the content of /sys/module/
[21:09] <dobey> taiebot: yes, you're not the first to have asked about them. the request has been made known
[21:09] <pngo_> ok
[21:10] <dobey> pngo_: i would suspect it has something to do with the way the android kernel bits are used
[21:12] <SturmFlut> lsmod just parses the content of /proc/modules, but the strange thing is that /proc/modules is empty. Despite procfs being correctly mounted etc.
[21:14] <SturmFlut> Are Android kernels bult without module support?
[21:14] <SturmFlut> I never noticed
[21:14] <dobey> i doubt it
[21:16] <dobey> there's /system/lib/modules/3.4.0-6-mako/ and there are .ko files in it
[21:18] <SturmFlut> dobey: You are right. /proc/modules is empty because apparently the system doesn't load a single module by default.
[21:19] <SturmFlut> pngo_: Does lsmod fail with an error or does it simply not output anything?
[21:19] <pngo_> no output
[21:19] <Rubesman> cwayne: Are we going to get new today and nearby scopes for the nexus 4?
[21:19] <SturmFlut> pngo_: That's not the same as "doesn't work". It doesn't output anything because there are actually no modules loaded. If you load one, it will show up.
[21:20] <pngo_> so how can I disable/blacklist sound card? is it possible?
[21:21] <pngo_> ok but looks like it works different than linux desktop
[21:21] <SturmFlut> Hm the sound drivers are not built as modules, so blacklisting them won't work
[21:25] <pngo_> so is there a way to blacklist drivers?
[21:29] <cwayne> Rubesman: ill have to check, not yet at least
[21:31] <nhaines> cwayne: how about now?
[21:32] <Rubesman> cwayne: Thanks! Is this stuff made by bq then? Are there in general other device specific functions or apps?
[21:32] <dobey> why would you blacklist sound drivers on a phone?
[21:32] <nhaines> dobey: because you hate phone calls?
[21:32] <dobey> nhaines: remove the SIM?
[21:33] <nhaines> Not good enough!  The calls might still get in somehow!  :)
[21:35] <cwayne> Rubesman: it's made by canonical (by my team actually :P), but I'm unsure of the plans for releasing them atm
[21:35] <pngo_> just testing touch's flexibility. just like I can mute mic but can not adjust  mic volume.
[21:37] <pngo_> I like user control over device. this is why I like Linux over windows.
[21:37] <Rubesman> cwayne: Alright thanks! Keep up the good work and dont forget about the nexus!
[21:39] <nhaines> cwayne: So my question is how did bq get the Today and NearBy scopes to the left of the App scope and how can I do that for weather?  <3
[21:42] <cwayne> nhaines: magic :P  but get to your manage dash screen, then press and hold weather, and you can drag it around the change the order
[21:42] <cwayne> but the way today/nearby did it was through the custom tarball, dconf keys and whatnot
[21:43] <zapa_> so in order to create an app I have to have a manifest.json file added to my project. Guess starting with C++ Project isn't enough
[21:44] <nhaines> cwayne: ooh, that must be really new, because it hasn't worked even a couple of months ago.  :)
[21:44] <nhaines> Err, not sure why my brain put in months when I meant weeks.
[21:44] <cwayne> nhaines: yeah, it's from the 'manage dash' redesign :)
[21:44] <cwayne> oh, should've been there weeks ago
[21:44] <cwayne> just not very discoverable tbh
[21:45] <nhaines> Oh, it changes to a "manage" app.
[21:45] <nhaines> yeah, I was just about to say, I'll bet that doesn't clear the usability tests.
[22:03] <dobey> pngo_: mic volume can be adjusted, there just is no ui for it
[22:04] <dobey> pngo_: kenvandine filed a bug exactly for that, the other day even
[22:05] <dobey> zapa_: if you use the ubuntu templates it will be there
[22:10] <pngo_> dobey, do you know if it via pactl ?
[22:20] <dobey> pngo_: yes, you should be able to control the input volume via pulseaudio
[22:24] <pngo_> I was testing it last night and muting was only working. I was unable to control mic volume. I will test  more
[23:44] <pngo_> I noticed that if I'm in my wifi area, I'm unable to send mms, but as soon as I leave it, I have no problem to send it. I still can not receive them.


[01:28] <pradeep> Where can I find the logs for the kernel session?
[05:07] <seb35690> about the today session...
[05:07] <seb35690> Will the content be the same as yesterday ?
[05:07] <jrib> I believe that's usually how it's done seb35690
[05:08] <seb35690> ok thanks a lot
[09:07] <seb35690> when does the session begin ?
[09:21] <jrib> seb35690: not sure, is it up on the wiki page?
[09:22] <jrib> hmm the wiki page says 20 minutes ago
[09:24] <seb35690> jrib: yes
[09:25] <jrib> I pinged (pang?) DBO
[09:31] <seb35690> jrib: some news of DBO ?
[09:36] <jrib> seb35690: no he doesn't seem to be around
[09:37] <seb35690> jrib: it seems that the today's classroom is aborted ;)
[09:37] <seb35690> maybe
[09:39] <jrib> yes, it seems that way
[11:04] <jrib> Hello!
[11:05] <jrib> Hello!
[11:05] <jrib> ...
[11:05] <jrib> pos
[11:36] <unix_infidel> Did the kernel session go down, i cant seem to find the transcripts up.
[11:43] <nalioth> unix_infidel: poke jrib, it's all his fault  :p
[11:49] <jrib> unix_infidel: yes, there was a session yesterday, I don't know if the transcripts are up yet
[11:51] <nalioth> jrib: what is up with irssi-python, anyway?
[11:51] <jrib> Hello!
[11:51] <jrib> it's working
[11:57] <jrib> why can't wikis use consistent markup...
[12:00] <jrib> unix_infidel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Log/2006-12-16  not lined on the transcript page yet